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Mr. SADLEIR said, that as very great doubts existed,.
and, as it was probable that during the next two of
three years questions would frequently be raised, the
sooner all doubts were removed as to the real state of
the law, the better would it be for all concerned.
Mr. GROG AN said he understood the Right Hon.
Gentleman to intimate that this clause, originally intro-
duced by himself, was unnecessary, because.having
taken the best legal opinion on the subject, he felt satis-
fied that Irish paupers were irremovable after fiveyears
residence.--(Hear, hear.) In this state of things the
Right Hon. Gentleman proposed to withdraw the clause;
but, seeing that the Right Hon. Gentleman himself ad-
mitted that doubts had arises, would it not be judicious
to have an explanatory statement of the law which
would make it impossible for boards of guardians here-
after to act on the supposition that they had the power
of removal?

Mr. C. BULLER did not believe that serious doubts
were entertained upon the point. Certainly the opinion
of one counsel, a gentleman of eminence, though not of
the first authority in the law, had been given against the
right of the Irish and Scotch to relief; and he under-
s (,od that in two or three cases that opinion had been
acted upon. As regarded the opposition made to his
proposal to withdraw the clause, he must say that the
result of perseverance would be that a clause which he
had almost despaired of carrying with the aid of Irish
Members, those Members would have to carry with their
own force, not only without assistance, but against his
opposition. He could assure the House that he had not
withdrawn the clause lightly. He believed that discus•
sion would do infinitely more harm than non-interfe-
rence with the law during the present session, and he
did trust that, for the sake of those whose interest they
wished to promote, Honourable Members would not raise
a useless—a worse than useless discussion.
Mr. MONSELL thought that Irish Members would
best promote their object by not offering any direct op•
position to the course proposed. As both the Govern-
merit and the English Members generally would vote
against it, it was perfectly clear that the clause would be
negatived, and he feared that that might produce an in-
jurious effect upon boards of guardians, affording (heal.
a loophole for getting rid of the very onerous duty of
supporting the Irish poor.
CLE AIENTS did not understand how the Govern'
ment could oppose a clause which they had thernselvc
introduced, whatever might be said of the anticipate(%
opposition of English Members.—(Hear.)
Mr. GROGAN thought the position of Irish Members
a most unfortunate one.—(Hear.) The clause ha
emanated, not from them, but from the Government.
and the question was forced upon their consideration by
the Right Hon. Gentleman himself. Yet the Rigby
Hon. Gentleman then told the House that if this claus
were brought forward by Irish Members he must oppos •
it. The clause was simply declaratory of the state o'
the law, and it was admitted that some boards of guar
diens bad acted upon an erroneous impression. Uncle"
the circumstances, considering that doubts had arisen;
he could not imagine that the Government would offe.
any opposition to the clause.

Mr. CHARLES DULLER said, that though th
clause was introduced with good intentions, ther'
had been a want of foresight in proposing it:
As it had been said that he was pursuing his peesen
course on account of the expected opposition ()_,.!
English Members, he must observe that he ha'
received several complaints respecting the clause frotr.
various parts of the country, and that none of those cow
plaints were legitimate; the words of the clause bein,l
supposed to have an operation larger than he had
tended, or the words themselves would bear. It Wirt
not, perhaps, a legitimate objection to the clause, bu •
still it was au objection that it would have given rise t
a very painful discussion respecting the removal of Iris!.
paupers, and he thought it undesirable that such a dis•
-
cussion should take place. He did not wish to with'
draw the clause on account of any opposition which -11(
anticipated; but one of the best friends of the Poo'
Removal Aet—one of those whose opinion upon, aw
interest in, that Act were least open to doubt—hal
come to him and said that it would be very onwi*
to raise the question by proposing a declaratory enact'
ment, when there were no such serious doubts as to.
render an enactment necessary ; adding, that as It
friend to Irish paupers, he begged that the clause
might be dropped, rather than _there should be ail
discussion upon it. He (Mr. C. Buller) assured the
House that he proposed the withdrawal much more from
a regard to the interest of those who had complained of
the l'oor Removal Act than from any fear of opposition;
but if Hon. Gentlemen persevered in their opposition $'
what he proposed, the only course open was to move that
the Charman do report progress.
Mr. CLEMENTS was very anxious, as far as possible,
to meet the views of the Right Hon. Gentleman, but lit
really thought that by consenting to the withdrawal O.
the clause he should place himself in a false position.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD said that Irish Members woulo
certainly be placed in a very false position if they con.
sented to the withdrawal of the clause on that occasian.
and afterwards proposed to re-insert it. He thought I-
was right that the point should be further considered.
Mr. C. BULLER having intimated that he should net
persevere in his proposal,
The House resumed and the Chairman reported pro'
gross, the clause discussed still remaining in the BUJ.
The House adjourned at half-past Seven.

RAILWAY SHARE MARKETS.
LIVERPOOL, JULY 29.
STOOK ExcHArton.—The sales are—Caledonian, Prete,.
rence, Bs. 9d. p.—Lancashire and Yorkshire, Fifths, 11A dis;
—Ditto, 10/. Shares, Preference, 13s. 9d. p.—London an'
North-Western, 124% c.--Ditto, 401. Shares (L. and M.)•
9% p.—Ditto, New Quarters, 114 p.—Manchester, Sheffiele!
and Lincolnshire, 101. Preference, 10%—Midland Stocks
102 c.—Ditto, New Halves, 61 dis.— South-Eastern an!
Dover, No. 4, Thirds, 3c. dis.—York, Newcastle, and Berl
wick (N. and B. Extension, No. 2), 1% p.—Ditto (G. N. E•
Purchase), 1 c. p.
MANCHESTER, JULY 29.
STOCK EXCHANGE.—The sales are—Leeds and Thirsk.
Preference, 214 dis.—Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincoln
shire, No. '2, Quarters, 15—North Staffordshire, 2% dial.-
South-Eastern and Dover, 25.
NE W CASTL E- UPON-TYNE, JULY 29.
STOCK EXCHANWL—The sales are—Newcastle and Car
lisle, 107%—North British, Thirds, 395. dis.—York, Noir
castle, and Berwick (Extension, No. 2), 1% p.

THE WEATHER.—The weather has since our list+
until yesterday, been rather of an unsettled character'
On Wednesday, indeed, it rained continually during tb'
greater part of the day, only clearing up towards the
evening. The temperature was also low on that de+
the maximum being only 60 degrees. Thure'
day morning was alternately fine and overcast
showers fell in the afternoon, but the evening vile
fine and clear. The temperature was higher than on
the previous day, and the barometer indicated an in
creased atmospheric pressure. Yesterday was an ex.
ceedingly fine and pleasant day, though by no "nestle
hot for the time of year. The returns by the electric
telegraph from the various parts of the country eS
seven o'clock yesterday morning indicated a vent
favourable state of the weather throughout the country'
S. very fine; Norwich, S.W. fine; Yarmouth, S.
fine ; Lowestoffe, W. cloudy; Birmingham, S.W. fine;
Rug
W.
S.E. fine; Masborough, S. very fine; London+
W fine; Colchester, S.W. fine; Southampton, E. fine'
Brandon, Glasgow, S. cloudy • Edinburgh, S.S.vY'
cloud '
y • Newcastle, S.W. fine York S.W. very fine
Hull, S.W. fine; Manchester,W.; fine; Liverpool,W.N.w'
fine; Normanton, S.W. very fine; Lincoln, S.W. very
fine; Nottingham, W. fine ; Derby, S.W. very fine ;
Leicester, S.W. fine; Hertford, S.W. fine; Chelmsford+
S.W. fine.—Manchester Guardian of Saturday.
Letters from St. Petersburgh of the 18th instant
state that the cholera was beginning to diminish in in,
tensity in that city. On the 14th instant there remained-
-3,972 patients under cure. The same day there were
525 new cases, 218 recoveries, and 382 deaths. On the
15th there were 432 new cases, 262 recoveries, and 274
deaths. On the 16th there remained 3,843, patient.
suffering under the disease.
A PROVIDENT SAILOR.—A very gratifying in'
stance of what may be accomplished by careful and pro"
dent habits on the part of seamen, has just been dis-
played by one of the old boarders at the Sailors' Homo,
who on each returning voyage placed a portion of big
wages in the savings' bank attached to that institution+
until the principal and interest having increased to 200 h,
he has now purchased that amount in the public funds'
This sailor is a native of Ireland, and has always been
in the habit of remembering his relatives in that min.
try, to whom he has constantly sent pecuniary assistance,

111 IL2'llB.
On the 26th inst., at Benningbrough-hall, the Viscount
Down, of a son.

On the 24th inst., at Bury St. Edmund's, Suftblk, Mrs. N.
Rodwell, of a son.

On the 26th inst., at Denmark-hill, Mrs. John Bona, di
daughter.

On the 26th inst., at Little Oakley Rectory, Essex, the wife
of the Rev. G. Burmestar, of a daughter.
On the 26th inst., at the Vicarage, Wartling, Sussex, the
wife of the Rev. J. Turner, of a daughter.
On the 26th inst., at Kensington-garden-terrace, Hyde"
park, the wife of Dr. Markham, of a son.
At Hythe Villa, New Finchley-road, St. John's-wood, ell
the 27th inst., the wife of Captain Vetch, ft.E., of a daughter'
On the 28th inst., at Cadogan-place, the wife of Robert
Synnot, Esq., M.D., of a son.
On the 26th inst., at Clifton, the lady of the Rev. G. Arta-
strong, of a daughter.

AfARRID.
On the 21st inst., at ChristchurE
ch, St. Marylebone, Janie!
Simpson, Lieutenant R.N., to Mary Anne, youngest daughter
of T. Bradshaw, Esq., of Connaught-terrace, Hyde-park.
On the 26th inst., at St. Chad, Frederick H. Herbert, Est
of the Bengal Artillery, to Emma, eldest daughter of J•
James, Esq., of Highfield, Warwickshire.
On the 27th inst., at St. Margaret's Church, Nathaniel E•
Robbins, Esq.. late of the 2d Dragoon Guards, to Bose'
youngest daughter of the Rev. Edward Repton, Prebendal
of Westminster.
On the 27th inst., at Christ Church, Marylebone, Bfr • „d
Simpson, of Portman-place, Edgeware-road, to Eliza, second
daughter of Mr. Selby, of York-row, Kennington.

DIED.
At the Vicarage, Seighford, Staffordshire, on the 21st inst"
Rebeccs. Dorothy, wife of the Rev. J. Thompson.
At Ardrossan, ou the 25th inst., Mrs. Mary Legge, or Aid'
wife of Captain Charles H. Reid, RN., of Grange-hill,
shire, aged 60.
On the 26th inst., at Exeter, aged 71, John Gandy, ESq"
second son of the late Rev. John Gandy, vicar of st. A"
drew's, Plymouth.
On the 26th inst., at St. John's-wood, Mrs. Carry, wideW
of the late J. Curry, Esq., aged 76.
At Hampstead, on the 27th inst., aged 84, Elizabeth, widow
of the late W. Kilburn, Esq., of Wallington, Surrey.
On the 27th inst. in London, Mrs. Tomlinson, sister u
the Lord Bishop of Gibraltar.
On the 27th inst., Rebecca, the wife of Mr. J. S. Bobintfon,
of East Iloathly, Sussex, aged 51.
On the 29th inst., in Cambridge-street, Hyde-park, at au
advanced age, Miss Thesiger.

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