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RAILWAY COMMITTEES.

commenting on it as he proceeded. It appeared that though the
present scheme was shorter than last year's scheme by 1d miles, yet
the receipts were actually represented to be, for local and Ayrshire
traffic, 30,000/. more than the year before. This he cousidered a
fraudulent attempt to bolster up a case. A great number of their
items of traffic bad been shown to be much exaggerated, both as it
regarded minerals and cattle, as well as road-side and steam-boat
passengers. While the traffic of the Nithsdale scheme had been
thus exaggerated, it had been further shown that if this line were
constructed, the competition for through traffic would be
such that the net receipts on the Caledonian line would be
so reduced, as to be little above 60,000/,, or a trifle beyond 3 per cent.
on the capial embarked. While the Caledonian line would be thus
injuriously affected, he submitted, that with the traffic case of the
Nithsdale Company, either as given by themselves or as corrected by
his witnesses, there was not anything like satisfactory proof of re-
muneration to be obtained for the 1,200,000/. that would have to be
embarked in the latter. He submitted that the case of the Nithsdale
line had not been made out, and that at least the visa- of 11r. Locke
should be adopted—viz., before sanctioning such a line, to wait and
see whether the traffic of the Caledonian scheme would be such as
to fairly warrant the construction of a second line. The Learned
Gentleman, after briefly glancing at the Caledonian branches, sub-
mitted that the preamble of the Nithsdale Company's Bill be rejected
as not proved. In conclusion, he trusted that, whatever view the
Committee should take of the Dumfries and Gretna branch of the
Caledonian scheme, it would be conceded to them as a protection for
their through traffic, which the Nithsdale Company professed they
did not wish to interfere with.

(YESTERDAY.)

This day, price 6d.,
"FTNITY of the IRON NETWORK; showing
1,..) how the last Argument for the Break of Gauge Competition
is at variance with the true interests of the public.

HOUSE OF LORDS.
GROUP I.
Teh, chairman.eComm
Committee met t Ida day at eleven o'clock ; the Earl of Love-
lac

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LONDON 11. ND YORE.
The Noble CHAIRMAN commenced by saying, Mr. sergeant King-
lake, I wish to intimate to you that it is the decision of the Corn-
mitteo that you Should now confine your evidence as much as possible
to the traffic betwediGrantham and Bawtry. Beyond that point we
do not wish much to go into the question of traffic. We got up to
Grantham yesterday ; now confine your traffic evidence to between
Grantham and Bawtry, because beyond Bawtry the aspect of the
country is almost identical.
Dlr. EDWARD Dzmscur—No, my Lord, the lines do not go over the
same ground. •
The Noble CitAntmAtc---Very much so, as it appears to me.

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Mr. E. DENISON—I think not, my Lord.
Mr. Sergeant KINGLAKB Not beyond Bawtry, my Lord, I think.
You see we take Doncaster, and then by means of Wakefield and
Leeds we run into the very heart of the manufacturing districts. In
the West Riding they have no such convenience. lam afraid our
cr.se will be very complicated and intricate witheut that.
The Marquis of Cleuntat—l should think that would be an
engineering question.
Mr. Sergeant KINGLAKE---I am afraid it is not distinctly under-
stood how Important the question of traffic is in this case.

Mr. ArsTin then addressed the Committee against the Caledonian,
Dumfries, and Springfield branches, ou behalf of the petitioning
landlords, the Duke of Buccleueh and Lords Queensberry and Mans-
field. He would not go into the general case, beyond referring to the
evidence of the Duke of ilucclettch, which his Learned Friend had
carefully omitted.reference to. His Grace had declared that nothing
but a strong sense of the wants of the district between New Cum-
nock and Dumfries induced him to support the Niths-
dale line ; and in order that such a want should be filled
up, his Grace also maintained that, to make this
Dumfries and Cumuock portion of railway profitable, it was
absolutely necessary that the more profitable portion between Dum-
fries and Carlisle should be placed in the same hands for censtruction.
The evidence, backed by so many other respectable witnesses, was
better than all the legfirdemain that Mr. Pare had attempted on the
traffic tables ; the value of which was shown to be very little In the
cross-examination that ensued. He represented three great land-
lords, who substantially represented the whole agricultural and mi-
neral interests of the south of Scotland. The opinion of suck pro-
prietors was entitled to great consideration by a Committee of tither
House. Now, what was the cnse of the Duke of Boccieuch? Ais
Grace had twenty-two miles in the valley of the Nith, a rich agri-
cultural and mineral district which the Glasgow, Dumfries, and Car-
lisle scheme traversed, but which no compensation whatever
was given for by the Caledonian Company. Now, while the
Caledonian scheme gave no accommodation to the Duke's property
in the valley of the Nith, its Springfield branch cut through three
miles of his land iu another direction ; therefore his Grace said he
could not sanction a scheme that thus invaded his property in one
direction, while it left him entirely without adeasiamodation through-
out the lley of the Nith on the other. The Learned Gentleman
then reviewed the evidence bearing on these po!nts, and on the
Sanquhar coal-fields, which he represented to have satisfactorily
proved the necessity for a valley line ; and having also glanced at
the damage which would be done to the property of the other pro-
prietors for whom he appeared, if the Caledonian branches were
formed, and the Nithsdale refused, called on the Committee to affirm
the preamble of the Nithsdale Bill, and to reject the branches of the
other.

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The Noble CIIAIRMAN-LWWsI;II to have your evidence
condensed as much as possible consistent with the interests of your
case.

After a fllw words the evidence was then proceeded with.
Mr. R. Christopher,,,M.P. for the county of Lincoln, was the first
witness called. The Hon. Member was of opinion that the London
and York line of Railway would be of very, great advantage to the
country through which it would run. Ile was satisfied of its neces-
sity, for the traffic was very great, and the present mode of transit
was most circuitous, and delays were very much complained of.
The witness was briefly cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant JONES.
The \layor of Stamford, and several merchants on the other parts
Of the line, were called. The evidence was all of the most favour-.
able character for the London and York line, as being the better for
the accommodation of the country.
The evidence in favour of the preamble of this 1:ill was proceeded
with. After the examinatior „of ,Mr. E lyn .1! disco:, who spoke
most favourably of the selienre,,..F4Va" r eon the pro-
IMAM to put in site traffic taOttrr.
. Upon the traffic tables having been put in, a disouseon arose as to
the propriety of abridging the evidence, after which several wit-
nesses were called in support of the general traffic of the line. The
witnesses were not subjected to anything like a tedious examination,
not more than a very few minutes having been devoted to each, both
in examination and cross-examination.

At four o'c:ock the Committee were about to. adjourn, 'when an
application was made to have the next sitting of the Committee on
Monday instead of on Saturday (to-morrow) as was agreed on yes-
terday.

After some hesitation on the part of their Lordships, they intl.
mated that the adjournment would be till Monday next.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

GROUP IV.
The Select Committee appointed to consider the merits of the Rills
comprised in this group, re-assembled at the usual hour this morning.
Mr. G. W. Hope in the Chair.

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The Committee then adjourned till Monday at twelve o'clock,
when Mr. Andrews will be heard on behalf of the Nithsdale line. I

GROUP XIV.
NORTH KENT AND SOUTH EASTERN
RAT &WAY.

The Committee on these lines met to-day at twelve o'clock.
The public were not admitted into the room, and the doors re-
mained closed until a quarter to four.
At that time the public were admitted into the room, and
The CHAIRMAN asked Mr. Merrewether if the South-Eastern
Company had received any communication from the Commissioners
of Woods and Forests?

Mr. MERREWETHRR replied that they had.
The CHAIRMAN said perhaps he would have the goodness to hand
it over to the North Kent Company, that they might have an
opportunity of examining it, and also the engineer of the
Commissioners of Woods and Forests. He • would take
that opportunity of saying that he trusted that the exami-
nation would be short and that the Committee would be prepared
to pronounce their decision on these lines on Monday, very shortly
after the close of that part of the case. Their decision would be an-
nounced so soon after the close of the examination, that the Com-
mittee wished that the promoters of the Mid Kent line would be
ready with their witnesses to proceed at once.
Mr. Blocs asked if it was the intention of the Committee to pro.
coed with the clauses of the Bill in whose favour their decision
should be given at once ?
The CHAIRMAN said that he thought they would.
The Committee then adjourned until Monday.

PRICE SD,

not wilfully, but certainly and most decidedly sacrificed to
the peculiar interests of a certain set of individuals, who could not
possibly do justice to the interests of the public. Mr. Hudson is now
connected with railways in nearly half the counties in England, ex-
tending front Northumberland to the British Channel. So that surely
he had enough to attend to. Then there was the consideration of
the transport of troops. Now York is a great central military depot,
and the advantages offered by this line fu'e very great. The rival
schemes offered no raiiway convenience ti hatever. While the pro-
moters of this were providing for this want, according to Mr. Hudson,
who had too much fairness and manliness to deny anything that he had
uttered, the traffic between Leeds and York and Scarborough had
been so developed, that where there was formerly only one public
Conveyance, the amount last year had reached to 1,0001. a week. The
population on each side of this line, within a distance of six miles, was
upwards of 31,000, while on the other llne it was not more than 25,000.
It was therefore evident that the proposed line would connect very
important places both in an agricultural and commercial point of
view, and would give facilities of communication which were now
most grievously roquired. Wetherby fair was one of the
greatest fairs in the north, and although the disadvantages
of communication are at the present time exceedingly ;Teat,
yet such is the necessity for the farmers and graziers to resort there,
that the market was uniformly well attended, and he would ask why
shou7cl the parties in that part of the country be obliged to go all the
way round by the North Midland Junction line? The
Learned Counsel then proceeded at great length to
discuss the respective merits of the different lines.
3f li
Mfr. Cubitt,character as a man and an engineer, entitled
every word ol'fhoisse hightobereceived with respect, had stated, before going
over the line from end to end, that this was decidedly the best line
of the three, and that there'were no engineering difficulties much
worthy of consideration. According to the Bills which had already
been passed, the Company, if they obtained their line, would
be obliged at any future period to mpaukb?ica.ny junction which might be
required by the convenience of the same might be said
of the stations. The district south-west ofTteeefds was one of the
most important in all England, and the sites for the stations had
been selected with an express view to
of communication between York and the every
fa facility
manucturing
districts. There was but one objectionable curve throughout the whole line, and that was in a place where such curves
were uni
versally allowed, viz., at the termination of the line. On the other
side the lines were hill, both of objectionable curves and gradients,
and taking the total of the mileage, the gradients were better on
this line than on the other. The earthwork, therefore, could not be
otherwise than lighter. The estimate was, according to Mr. Cubitt, in
every way ample, and instating it at 585,0001., Mr. Bateman had taken
the outside prices, while, on Mr. Blrkenshaw's plan, the Wetherby
line would cost 340,0001., with the necessity of another branch,
costing 250,0001., which, with another 50,0001. for the anticipated
contingencies, would make the cost of the whole line about 640,0001
According to Mr. Cope, who was allowed by Mr. Sergear

Wilkins to be a man of the greatest ability, the return
would be 88,464/. a year. Mr. Cope had stated that
all the traffic which he had estimated had been invariably doubled
by experience, which sufficiently showed the moderation of that gen-
tleman's computation. There was no residential property whatever
interfered with, and there was one universal feeling among the
tenantry in favour of this line. With respect to petitions, the
promoters were the only parties who had given any ana-
lysis of this petition, and on the most severe cross-
examination it turned out that this line was decidedly the beet, and
most decidedly approved of by the people of Leeds. He had shown
that this was the best line, that the estimates were sufficient, that
the traffic was likely to remunerate the shareholders, and that a
great public benefit would arise from its construction.
Mr. lllLnyean, in reply, would not recapitulate all that had been
stated. He wished to draw the attention of the Committee to the
evidence of Mr. Swanning, an engineer of great eminence. Tke
Learned Counsel then went through the evidence of that gentleman
showing that the Leeds and North Midlands Junction line, which
goes through the valley of the Cop, is the natural outlet
of the country, while the route of the Leeds and York line
had been selected simply because it was only left after the
best line had been taken. And further, this route had been
formerly rejected. The North Midland junction was in direct com-
munication with the stations at York and Leeds. Mr. Hudson had
expressly stated that although he proposed to shorten the communi-
cation, yet the bulk of the traffic would still go by the present line.
That gentleman has stated that the traffic was a trifle
under 21,000/. between Leeds and York ; and this was the
fact, notwithstanding all the assertions of Mr. Cope. The
Learned Gentleman then went into the peculiarities of the other
lines, and stated that the direct line would traverse five different
railways with which it had no connexion whatever, and was con-
sequently an imperfect line. The objection which had been made
as to the crowding of the line was about to be obviated by the York
and North Midland Company constructing a line to draw off the
Hull traffic. There was really no opposition, and though he
could not go into all the circumstances, he believed the Committee
would be satisfied that the York and North Midland Junction
was the best line. One thing he might say in their favour. It
appeared on the returns to the Board of Trade that there had been
fewer accidents on the line owned by this Company than on any other
in the country.
The room was then cleared, and on the re-admission of parties,

The CHAIRMAN declared that the preamble of the York, North
Midland, Leeds Extension Bill was proved, and that the preambles of
the York, and the Leeds, York, and Midland Junction, were not
proved.

GROUP XLIV.

Lord Palmerston took the chair at twelve o'clock, in Room 25
(New Houses of Parliament). The same Members were present as
on former occasi•ns.

LIVERPOOL, MANCHESTER, AND NSW
CASTLE-UPON-TYNE JUNCTION.

This Bill, together with the Lancashire and North Yorkshire (with
which it had been amalgamated), and the York and Carlisle and
Yorkshire and Glasgow Union, stood over since Monday, in order
that the time might be given for an arrangement between the par-
ties, as to which of them should form a certain branch ikon Lsyburn
to Hawes, which formed part of both schemes.
The case of the Liverpool and Manchester was called on at the
meeting of the Committee, and the arrangement of the clauses occu-
pied about an hour. No question of any public interest arose. Some
of the clauses were altered and the remainder passed as they stood.
It appeared that the arrangement made by the parties to the two
projects, with respect to the ilawes branch, was, that it should be con-
structed by the Liverpool and Newcastle Company.

YORK AND CARLISLE-YORKSHIRE AND
GLASGOW UNION.

It will be remembered that these Bills, which were originally com-
peting with one another, and were amalgamated in the course of last
week, were again called on as soon as the Liverpool and Newcastle
was disposed of. The usual formality of adjusting the clauses was
about to be proceeded with, when
_ _

Mr. TALBOT raised an objection to the amalgamation (a matter
which had been generally considered as settled). ile said he was
obliged to " forbid the banns"—(A laugh) —of the couple who were
about to enter into the holy state of matrimony. He had discovered
that that " loving swain," the York and Glasgow, was not possessed
of funds sufficient to defray the expenses that would be entailed
by the union. In short, the York and Glasgow Cbmpany had only
5 per cent. on their required capital, with which sum they were to
go before the House of Lords._ Now the York and Carlisle Company
had 10 per cent. on their capital, and if the companies were amalga-
mated, this sum would be applicable to the purposes of the Yorkshire
and Glasgow hallway, the unfain,ess of which was manifest. The
lines must not, therefore, be united unless a clause were inserted
securing the application of the fork and Carlisle funds to the York
and Carlisle Railway. _ _

A long discussion -hors took place, and ended in a resoluttoa being
proposed to the effect, that a clause should be inserted in the Bill;
whereby both parties should be pledge 4 to an equal contribution of
funds, and au appropriate application of them.

This resolution was adopted by the Committee, and the clause will
be inserted in the Amalgamation Bill on Monday, till which day
the further consideration of the case was postponed.
It is to be hoped that the objection to the " banns," raised by Mr.
Talbot, will not be fatal to the hopes of the " loving pair," and that
the union, though delayed, will not be prevented.
CLITHEROE TUNCTION.

This adjourned case was next proceeded with.
Mr. Errington, the engineer (who in this case is in partnership
with Mr. Cowley and Mr. Gooch) gave evidence in corroboration of
the statements of those gentlemen, as far as they referred to the case
of Mr. Taylor. He pointed out the fact that the model (which was
fully described in The Sun of Wednesday), being on a vertical scale
double the horizontal, gave an exaggerated representation of the
scene, which casts no imputation upon the parties, it being admitted
that the misrepresentation was not intended to deceive.
Mr. Thomas Greenwood gave evidence, with some statistical de-
tails, as to the amount of traffic that might be expected upon this line,
and the relative merits of this and the Blackburn and Clitheroe (the
competing) line. The passenger-traffic on this line would be treble
that on the Blackburn and Clitheroe line. There world be 1,622 tons
more coal per annum passing over this than over the Blackburn and
Clitheroe line, and 9,953 more workmen employed.
Mr. BAINES, on the part of the Blackburn and Clltheroe, said he
should wish to see the tables on which those calculations were
ounded before cross• examining the witness,
Copies of the tables were handed to Mr. Baines, and,
It being now four o'clock, the Committee adjourned, Mr. Babies
postponing his cross-examination till their next meeting,
They adjourned till Monday at twelve o'clock.