The Sun.
London, England, 1833-07-16 00:00:00

THE FUNDS.

No arrivals from Portugal as yet.
The Funds continue firm this morning. Consols, which left
off yesterday at 90 lA, opened at 90 1/8 to h for the Account, in
consequence of a general belief that the disputes between the
Tories and the Whigs have been adjusted.
The following is posted at Lloyd's : _ .

Tuesday, July 16.

Sir,—l am direeted by Viscount Palmerston to acquaint
you, foithe information of the Committee of Lloyd's, that intel-
ligence has been received at this department that the regency
acting in Portugal, in the name, and on behalf of, her most
Faithful ,Majesty,Donna Maria da Gloria, have resolved to esta-
blish immediately an effective blockade of the port of Lisbon,
and all other ports of Portugal, where the authority of her
most Faithful Majesty shall not be established and acknow-
ledged, and that it is supposed that this blockade is already in
force. BACKHOUSE.

The above has caused a rise in the Portuguese Scrip this
morning of i per cent —it is now 2 premium.
HALF-PAST ONE

We understand that the conference which was held yester-
day on the Dutch affairs, went off to the satisfaction of all
parties. It is expected that to-morrow evening, on the second
reading of the Irish Church Bill, some of the Lords will not
make their appearance in the House.
The acknowledgment of the blockade of the coast of Por-
tugal, by our Government, is supposed to be a preliminary step
to an acknowledgment of Donna Maria, as Queen of Portugal.
Consols, which were in the early part of the morning at
90i to y 4 for the Account, are at present 90 to 1.
This being settling day in the Foreign Market, they are
busy in settling their accounts. The most heavy one is that of
Portuguese Scrip, which has fluctuated during the Account
about five per cent.

Consols for the Account 90%.

THREE O'CLOCK.

EXTRAORDINARY FEAT.—On Monday last
a soldier of the 6th Dragoons, for a considerable wager
undertook to walk on his hands from the barracks to Por-
tobello, a distance of a mile and a half, which he ac-
complished, to the astonishment of a great number of
spectators, in the short space of half an hour.--. Edi-
nburgh Evening Courant.

MELANCHOLY Loss or LlFE.—Wednes-
day, as a lady with her three sons, one daughter, and a
young man, were sailing on a pleasure excursion near
Douglas Harbour, Isle of Mn,i the boat was upset, and
the whole party, with the exception of the young lady
and the young man, were drowned. The gentleman who
informed us of this melancholy event saw the boat after
the occurrence of the accident, but could not furnish us
with the names of the parties, or the cause of a catastrophe
so truly distressing, —Liverpool Chronicle.

M PERIALPARLIAMENT

THIS DAY. TUESDAY, JULY 16.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER took his seat at a quarter past 12 o'clock,
at which time about 50 Members were present.
EAST INDIA COMPANY'S CHARTER.

Mr. C. GRANT moved the order of the daY;.for the
further consideration in Committee of the East India
Company's Charter Bill.
Lord G. SOMERSET complained of the postpone-
ment of Bills which had been fixed for certain days, par-
ticularly the Factories' Labour Bill and the Highways Bill,
the latter of which was fixed for this morning, and non•

it appeared not likely to be brought forward, owing to the
East India Company's Charter Bill being now moved for.
He wished the Noble Lord (Althorp) would at all events
name some day when the Highways Bill would he certain;
of being discussed, for it was impossible, as business now
went on, for Members to know what Bills were to be
brought forward.
Lord ALTHORP was aware that the Highways Bill
was fixed for to-day, but the House must perceive that he
could not but have expected that the East India Charter
Bill would have been disposed of before now. He would
name this day se'nnight for the Highways Bill.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL said, they had had several
supply days, but on no one occasion had the miscellaneous
estimates been yet brought forward. They were of very
great importance, and he hoped the Noble Lord would
rate when he intended to bring them down.
Lord ALTHORP said, it was not of any immediate
importance to bring them forward, although he agreed
that it would be desirable to do soas early as possible. But
lie had thought it best to proceed first with those measures
which required the concurrence of the other House, and
then they could proceed with that business which
did not require the assent of that llouss?.. He could
not at present name a day when he should be able to bring
those estimates forward.

Mr. FINN said he hoped the House would have an
opportunity of discussing the Irish Estimates as soon as
possible.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL said the explanation of the
Noble Lord was anything but satisfactory.
The House then resolved itself into Committee upon the
East India Company's Charter Bill.
The CumantAN having put the 55th clause,
Sir H. VERNEY rose to move as an amendment the
following resolution :—" That the Governor-General be
the Governor of the whole of the province of Bengal, and
that there be named two Lieutenant-Governors, one of
the upper and the other of the lower provinces, to carry
on the details of the administration." The Hon. Bart.
read the opinions of Lord W. Bentinck and Lord Dal-
housie in support of his suction, when
Mr. C. W. W. WYNN rose to order, and said the
clause merely related to the appointment of the
Governor-General of India, and the object of the Hon.
Baronet would be better attained by moving the addition
of another clause.

Mr. C. FERGUSSON complained of the power given
by the clause to the Governor-General of acting without
the advice of his Council. The system had been hitherto
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:hat the Governor should be advised by his Council, but

that he had liberty to act on his own opinion, leaving the
Council to enter their dissent on record, for the informa-
tion of the Government at home. That system had been

found to work well, and indeed it was highly important
that the Governor-General should have a Council whose
advice be could obtain. He hoped the Right lion.
Gentleman (Mr. C. Grant) would take this clause again
into consideration.

Mr. HUME would be glad to hear some reason assigned
by his Majesty's Government for the extraordinary pro-
ceedings of divesting the Governor of his council. He
thought such a proceeding most injudicious, and he called
upon the Right Hon. Gentleman to consider what might
be the ultimate consequences of the adoption of such a
dangerous arrangement. He should certainly oppose the
clause, for, excepting as to the amount of expense incurred,
which, in proportion to the risk that would be run, he
should consider as not worthy of being taken into
account, he could see no one reason for the adoption
of such an alteration as was contemplated. He
should be most happy to hear any valid reason offered
by his Majesty's Government, why such an important
change should take place. It should be remembered that
after the appointment of a governor at home, and before
his arrival at a presidency, it was not unusual that most
momentous occurrences took place, such indeed as could
not have been contemplated at the time of his appoint-
ment, and without the information and advise of coun-

sellors, acquainted with the localities and particular
transactions, he would be called upon to exercise his office
under the most fearful responsibility. If it were thought
necessary, even on the point of expense, to make a reduc-
tion, still he would say, let there be two counsel retained ;
for it might happen that a Governor might take a
different view of circumstances to that taken by his
council, in which case the latter would communicate their
reasons to the Government at home, if they did not
induce the Governor there to alter his opinion. He would
again ask for some valid reason why the Governors were
to be deprived of the benefit of the advice and information
of a council ?
Sir R. INGLIS would admit that there would not be
any difficulty in the case if Government could always send
out such men as Sir T. Munro or Mr. Elphinstone, who
were possessed of local knowledge; but it was well known
that Governors had been sent out who were not possessed

of any local knowledge—(Hear, hear)—such, for in-
stance, as Sir Ralph Abercrombie, and without the

assistance of council they could not be expected to per-
form their duties with sufficient prudence and energy. With
the advantage of a council the Governor would exercise

his absolute power upon his own responsibility, especially
if opposed to the opinion of gentlemen, possessed of the ne-
cessary knowledge.—(Hear.)
Mr. R. GRANT said the Hon. Gentlemen who had
opened the debate had not made any allusion to the point
before the House. The question was, whether the subor-
dinate governors should or should not have the assistance
of council. As the Bill stood, it was left to the official
Court of Directors, and to the Board of Control, to
determine whether there should be any council or not.
The only way to raise that question was to say not
only that there ought siways to be a Council, but that it
was a rule so inflexible and of such importance, that the
House must determine it at all hazards, taking it entirely
out of the power of the Parliament to reverse it. Now
Government had thought it better to take the other course,
leaving it as a matter of consideration to be decided by
circumstances. The clause had been introduced as an
experiment to try the tffect of a subordinate Governer
without a Council. He could see no evil, therefore, that
would result from retaining the House.
Mr. FERGUSSON had considered the subject ma-
turely, and, in his opinion, on which he was supported
by some of the oldest and ablest servants of the crown,
that subordinate governors should be assisted by a council,
and he should therefore move as an amendment the omis-
sion of all the words of the clause that took away that as-
sertion.

Mr. C. GRANT opposed the amendment.
Mr. C. WI(NN thought it most essential to the
good gorernment of the East Indies thit the sub-
ordinate governors should be assisted by a council.
The Governors ought to be selected by Parliament, and
by no inferior power. Parliament ought to say what
should be the Government of India; but if the present
clause was adopted, it would give that power to the Board
of Control. He would therefore urge the Ministers
to let the Government of India go on as it was before, and
not to endanger its power and strength by the introduc-
tion of such a clause as that which is proposed to consti-
tute the new Presidency.
Mr. C. BULLER hoped that Ministers would not suffer
themselves to be influenced by any opinion to induce them
to alter the proposed plan.
Mr. MARJORIBANKS concurred with the Hon.
Member for Kirkcudbright. That was a most dangerous
innovation on the mode of governing India, for the Go-
vernor-General would be obliged to depend upon his
secretary.

Colonel EVANS thought there had not b(en
anything shown to make the necessity of such a
charge at all clear.—(Hear, hear.) Unless it was
proved to the satisfaction of the House, that there
had been something radically wrong in the Government
of Madras and Bombay, it would be very ill advised in
the House to alter the old form of government. With
regard to the new Presidency, he cared not whether the
Governor had a council or not, because he would wish to
see it altogether dependent upon Bengal.
Mr. C. GRANT said the two clauses left the question
open—it was a mere experiment.
Mr. HUME was opposed to the clause; it was not
proper to deprive the Governor-General of those coun-
cillors, who must have been in India ten years, merely for
the sake of trying an experiment.
Lord ASHLEY cited an instance which took place
while he was at the Board where the interference of the
Council saved one of the presidencies from a very serious
x aenditure. He was against the clause.
Mr. STRUTT thought as there were so many different
opinions Upon the subject, it was expedient that the

question should be left open, so that the benefits of a,
experiments might afterwards be taken advantage of.
After a few words from S r H. WILLOUGHBY and DL.
R. TODD, the gallery was cleared for a division, whet:
there appeared—

For the amendment
Against it
Majority

....-s

On our re-admission to the gallery we found Sir H
VERNEY moving his amendment as an addition to th,
clause. His plan would intrust the Supreme Governor
of India with the general administration of the governor, nl
while its details would be left to be carried on by twt
subordinate Governors.

C. BULLER objected to the amendment, as it would
create three Governments in India, each of which wott!r;
carry on the details, his object being to have only on(
Governor for all India.

Mr. HUME could not agree to the amendment, as it
would divest the most important province of India
(Bengal), in which four fifths of the revenue were
derived, without a Governor.—(Hear, hear.) He
would support any proposition which had for its object
one Governor-General, and a Lieutenani. Governor lot
each of the provinces of Bengal, Bombay, Madras, and
Agra, because it would then leave the Governor-General
at full liberty to use his best judgment and his time of,
behalf of the country.
The gallery was then cleared for a division, but none
took place, and it was understood that the amendment
was withdrawn.
Mr. C. BULLER then moved that all the words of tilt
clause from the word " governor" to the end be left out ; hi,
object being to give a Governor-General for India, and
Lieutenant-Governor under his authority, for various pro-
vinces in the country.
Mr. STRUTT supported the amendment.
Sir H. VERNEY opposed it.
Mr. WYNN was convinced it would be much better
that the supreme governor should be enabled to superintemi
the whole empire, there being subordinate governors
in the several Presidencies.—(Hear.) There would It,
no occasion for him to appoint a deputy in his absence.
After a few observations from Mr. C. BULLER and
notber Hon. Member, the House div

Against the Amendment
For the Amendment 9
Majority against the Amendment —46

Clauses 56 ro 6.8 were then agreed to.

Clause 59, after a short: conversation between INIr. R.
Grant, Mr. C. Wynn, Mr. Hume, and Mr. C. Fergusson
was postponed.
The House then resumed, and the Chairman having
reported progress, obtained leave to sit again to-morrow.