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that the provisions of the Savings'- banks Bill should be

mited to Ireland.

Mr. ANDERSON gave notice that early next session
he would move for a Select Committee to inquire into the
practicability of reducing the costs, and improving the
means of transit of the communication by steam naviga-
tion with India, particularly of that part of it which is
now maintained by the steam-vessels of the East India
Company between Bombay and Suez, and by the steam-
vessels of her Majesty between Alexandria, Malta, and
Marseilles.

Mr. BULLER gave notice that to-morrow he would
move for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the relief of
the poi- in the large cities anti towns throughout Eng-
land. He hoped Hon. Gentlemen would not be alarmed
at such a notice, as his sole object was to get the Bill
printed.

TEMPLEMORE CHAPEL.
Sir J. TYRELL wished to state that since ho last
addressed the House on this subject he had seen the
gentleman whose letter he had read to the House, viz.,
Major Peton. That gentleman was under the gallery
during the morning sitting, and was ready to be pro-
duced, if necessary. He stated that he (Sir J. Tyrell)
had greatly understated his case. The gentleman who
resided in the castle to which he referred was a magis-
trate of the county of Kerry, and his name was Mahony
(as we understood). On receiving a threatening notice
he called a meeting of his friends, and on their advice he
quitted the castle and went to. Limerick to procure an
addition to the constabulary force, there being only eight
policemen in that district. He might further state that
Major Peton and Mr. Mahony both saw the transaction
in which Priest Hampston was implicated. They saw
him oppose the policemen, and heard him tell them that
if the notice was posted up on the chapel door it would
be torn down again. It was accordingly torn down after
the police left, and another proclamation which was
posted up was also torn down. The head of the consta-
bulary reported these things to the authorities in Dub-
lin, but no notice had been taken of the matter. He had
now to ask the Noble Lord whether he had received any
communication on the subject from Ireland; or whether
he (Sir J. Tyrell) was to proceed with the case, and
produce his witnesses? He was ready to take any course
which the Noble Lord might suggest.
Lord J. RUSSELL had not received any intelligence
from Ireland respecting this case, but he had no doubt
rhat if the facts happened as the Hon. Gentleman stated,
and if an account of them in writing by Major Peton
was forwarded to the Lord-Lieutenant, he would con-
sider whether it was desirable to take any steps on the
subject.
Sir J. TYRELL had brought the subject forward
to show that there was no cause for the ridicule which
had been poured upon his previous statement.
Lord J. RUSSELL had never alluded to the subject
with ridicule; but he had expressed an opinion that the
letter which the Hon. Gentleman read was not intended
to be published.
PROTECTION.—THE CROPS, &c. _ _

Mr. HUDSON said, the corn duties would expire in
February next, and it would be recollected that the
Noble Lord (Lord John Russell) had expressed his
conviction that all protection should be taken from
the manufacturing interest as well as from agri-
culturists. He wished to ask whether in accordance
with that view, the Noble Lord meant to bring in a
Bill to repeal all duties of a protecting character
that bore on the manufacturing of silks and other
articles? He would also put a question on another sub-
ject. The accounts of the crops generally, and of the
potatoes in Ireland, were exceedingly contradictory;
and he wished to know if it was possible to have some
official information laid before the House on the subject.
He did not think there was cause for alarm as regarded
the crops; and he wished to know if, in these circum-
stances, the Chancellor of the Exchequer intended to
issue tenders for the unfortunate loan he had projected?
Lord J. RUSSELL said certain restrictions had been
laid on the silk and other manufactures referred to by
the Hon. Gentleman since the time when it was resolved
to take off the corn duties, and he was not disposed at
present to say that there should be an entire removal of
those duties, which were very slight, and of a very low
amount. With regard to the potato crop in Ireland, and
the crops generally, he might state that the Government
had received reports, both through the Poor-law Com-
missioners and the constabulary. Those reports were
given from week to week, but he did not think there
would be any ipublic advantage from producing them,
because they contained accounts of a state of things that
would hardly apply at the present time. In some in-
stances where it was supposed the potato crop was gone
it had returned—(Hear, bear)—and be believed he
might say that a very considerable part of the crop ap-
peared to be good. That expectation, however, might
be disappointed, and therefore they must just wait the
course of events.—(Hear, hear.) Still he believed he
was entitled to say that the state of the crop appeared to
be more favourable now than it was a short time ago.—
(Hear, hear.) The other question of the Hon. Gentle-
man he would leave to be answered by his Right Hon.
Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Sir C BURRELL asked whether it was correct, as
had been stated, that the amount of land planted with
potatoes this year in Ireland was eight times greater
than in the year preceding ?
Lord J. RUSSELL believed the increase to be in the
proportion of eight to three.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in
answer to the question of the Hon. Member (Mr. Hud-
son), relative to the " lean," as he had termed it, begged
to state that he did not propose to negotiate a loan at
all. What he wanted to do was to follow the course
pursued in 1841—viz., to take power to sell stock from
time to time as circumstances might require. His object
was to keep up the price of stock us much as he could;
and he would spread the sales it was intended to effect
over a period of some months, so as not to affect the
market in any way injuriously.—(Hear, hear.)
EAST INDIA TENURES.

Mr. EWART, in reference to a return of the number
and nature of land tenures held by British subjects in
India, ordered on the 21st of July, asked the Right Hon.
the President of the Board of Control if there was any
likelihood of such returns being made?
Sir J. HOBHOUSE believed the difficulties in the
way of such a return were not likely to be overcome.
Many of the settlers in India had taken their lands, not
from the Government, but from private parties, and
there was no account of these purchases. He believed,
therefore, it would be next to impossible to procure a
list of them.
PROTECTION TO AGRICULTURE.

Mr. HUDSONwished to know from the Noble Lord
at the head of the Government, whether, seeing he had
no intention to abrogate the protective duties on manu-
factures, he did not think it fair that agriculturists
should have restored to them at least as great an amount
of protection as the manufactures had? The smallest
favour would be thankfully received.—(A laugh.)
Lord J. RUSSELL thought that it was not exactly
the right way to proceed to bring on matters of this
kind in the shape of questions which might be made the
subject of debates in the House.—(llear, hear.)
On the motion of Mr. SPOONER, the Lords' amend-
ments to the Poor Removal Bill (No. 2) were agreed to.
Colonel DUNNE gave notice that next session he
would move for a Committee of Inquiry into the working
of the Irish Poor-law.

RWAenNt DinLtoEACDomDmiUttTeelEoSaßlthLeL.
The House Copper
and Lead Duties Bill, and the various
agreed to.
On the schedule being proposed,
Mr. HENLEY said he meant to move an amendment
on the subject of the duty. As the schedule stood, a
duty of Is. per ton was to be levied on all copper ore
imported. He would allow that duty to remain as ap-
plicable to all toper ore the produce of our own co-
lonies, but he would propose a higher rate of duties
on ore imported from foreign countries. The same
question was involved here as in the sugar duties, with
reference to the encouragement given to slavery; and
he contended that copper ore from Australia, consider-
ing the great length of the voyage and other circum-
stances, could not be imported with the same advantage
as ores produced in Cuba and Chili, if the duties were
similar in each case. His amendment was, that while
thejduty per ton on all copper or copper ore imparted
from our colonies should be ls., the duty per ton on
copper or copper ore imported from foreign countries
should be one guinea.—(Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ad-
mitted that the Hon. Gentleman had very fairly raised
the question; but the point was one which had been
already settld by the House, for it had been decided
that there should be no distinction in the duty imposed
on the copper or copper ore imported, whether from the
colonies or from foreign countries.—(Hear, hear.) He
had always expressed his opinion that not only the con-
sumers but the producers in this country were benefited
by the introduction of foreign ore, as there was a
great advantage derived from mixing the two
ores together.—(Hear, hear.) There was, however,
another view of the question. Was it for the advantage
of this country that the copper which met us in the way
of competition on the continent should be smelted in
foreign countries rather than in our own? Yet that
would be the effect of preventing tho importation of
foreign ores, as proposed by the Hon. Gentleman. The
export of copper had largely increased. In the four years
from 1838 Ito 1841 the unwrought copper exported
amounted to 33,000 tons, and in the four years from
1843 to 1846 to 34,000 tons, showing an increase of
1,000 tons. In the four years ending 1841, the quantity
of wrought copper exported amounted to 24,000 tons,
and in the subsequent period to 35,000 tons; showing an
increase of 11,000 tons on the last four years. The home
manufacture of copper goods had derived considerable
benefit, therefore, from the mixture of foreign ore with
the copper of this country; and it was equally for the
benefit of the British miner, smelter, manufacturer, and
artisan, that foreign ore should be introduced at a low
duty.
Mr. NEWDEGATE was well aware that many of his
constituents in Birmingham had suffered like others in
various branches of trade - but in the copper trade
their prosperity had lasted longer, risen higher, and
been better secured than that of most of the interests
which had been exposed to the free trade system. Eng-
land produced more than one-half the fine copper of the
world. It was hard to suppose that the course taken by
this country would affect the conduct of foreign countries
in this matter ; but though immaterial to others the
differential duty was an object to the British producer.
For the sake of the Australian colonies, also, he hoped,
the proposition of the Hon. Member for Oxfordshire
would be adopted.
Mr. WYLD wished to call the attention of the
House to the fact that this was the first occasion
since the passing of the Slave Emancipation Act on
which they had seen a liberal Government putting the
miners of Cornwall in competition with the slaves of
Cuba. If the principle of putting slave labour in compe-
tition with the free labour of her Majesty's subjects
were to' be adoped, a new era would commence
a new order of things would be introduced which the
whole mass of the people of England, whatever might
be their opinion in favour of free trade, would depre-
cate. He quoted Mr. Turnbull, who had been sent out