The Sun.
London, England, 1846-06-17 00:00:00

(Hear, arid laughter.) :Now, to say ow word as te V
bate. A Noble Lord near him said he was in favour of the
amendment because he was against the Bill • and yts
order to get rid of the Bill, he proposed to vote /or the amend-
ment.—( Hear, and a laugh. ) Tie t was a very strange me;
thod of meeting the question. A Noble Marquis, who had
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spoken, supported the amendment, because he was against,
the Bill, and he (Lord Brougham) had never been so much
struck at the effect of a speech as he had been with that'
The Noble Earl who had last spoken said something of the
same kind, and in the course of it he (Lord Brougham) had coat
in for a share of his censuring vituperation. ome oints et
his speech escaped him, as he appeared to bean conpfidential
communication with some Noble Lords on the other side Of
the House, which he (Lord Brougham) could not hear. The
circumstance reminded him of what happened to Sergeant
Davy on the western circuit, who in addressing a jury was
by the judge to raise his voice. Sergeant Davy replied "that
he would raise his voice whenever he came to anythiug
material."—(Loud laughter.) So in the present case the!
were led to suppose that when they wanted the Noble Earl to
raise his voice they were told he would have done se, but
that there was nothing material.—( Laughter. ) He (Lord
Brougham) did not know what the Noble Earl had
said in that confidential manner, and therefore be
would not have to increase his pain and to detain
their Lordships in going through it. The Noble
Earl said that nothing could have been more insulting to the
House than the course her Majesty's Government had taken to
bringit g forward a Bill and not submitting resolutions on the
subject ; for had they given their opinion by resolution they
would not have beets driven into a corner as the!
now were. They were told thee this was contrati
to precedent, but to that he would observe that the questioa
now before the House was not more important than the Reform
Bill of 1831. And what did her Majesty's Government then?
They did not propose resolutions or act contemporaneous!!
with the Lower House. A Bill instead of this was broufmt
into the House of Commons on the memorable Ist of March.
1831,and they never heard of it in this House, except by the publia
prints and the votes of the other Honse until the Bill came IT;
They were then driven into the corner as to the acceptacce
this Bill, which was to the effect of almost completely changing
the whole course of legislation in the country. Buta dila"
tion, took place, not on the merits of the Bill, but from ar ethos
cause; and a second time, instead of proceeding by resu Litton.
they introduced the Bill into the Lower House, and .t tot!,
through in the regular manner. Not only on that questiontb"
on others, which were more of companions to the masure
before the House, they had proceeded by Bill instead of by
resolution. None of the corn-laws had been introduced in sal
other way. It was so in 1804; it was so in the stringent
Bill of 1815 ; also in the Bills of 1822 and 1827 ; and also is
the Corn Bill of 1842. It was not then objected to. In the
measure introduced by that Noble Earl's Friend, in 1841'
on sugar and corn, but which were not successful, the leo*
cess was also by Bill. Had those measures gone forward, they
would have proceeded by Bill, and not by resolution. When
he heard his Noble Friend saying that he believed that deial
would be most prejudicial to this measure, he could not I elpe
while he heard him drawing forth the cheers of the friends of
the amendment, and the enemies of the Bill, he could not
help saying, " Save me from my friends."—( Cheers inta
laughter.) The greatest enemies of the Bill could not ball
made more admirable confessions in favour of protectioa•
What said his Noble Friend (and he begged to observe that be
differed from him toto ccelo)? He said you dare not appeal to tat
people.—(Protectionist cheers.) He knew the meaning
these hostile cheers ; they formed a very different choral to
those cheers which followed the dulcet strains of his Noble
Friend.—(Laughter.) He did not, however, wonder lt tbe
discordant cheers. They came naturally and consistentie front
the enemies of the Bill and the friends of the amendment
But his Noble Friend placed his candour—he was going to say
his courage—:Laughter)—prominently forward in this matter.
Now, how his Noble Friend, or any other man, could be so de'
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hided as to think that there was any foundation that that CV'
to the people would be fatal to this Bill he (Lord Broughada
was utterly unable to comprehend.—(Hear, hear.) His (L°..
Brougham's) firm belief was, that if the country 7,a—
appealed to their verdict would be in favour of the Bia•r
(Cries of " Ne, no.") Then his Noble Friend said that
reason a
for
twelvemonth'svotingagintsirae fortthea idmueonudsmeenrtatlans: A because wog'
allow
which
fatal to the Bill.—(Protectionist cheers.) H
did not say that he believed that the majorityois
f Nthhb:; mefilFgeerchittin°l
part of the country would, if the question were postponed, vat'
against the Bill. Now he (Lord Brougham) considerci' it his
duty to protest against the arguments adduced by ii, Noble
Friend in support of the Bill. He should have sniped
from the adversaries of the Bill such speeches as Lad 'seen 11
livered by his two Noble Friends. The Noble Boron
brought forward some cases of farms letting at a lows p; ice
since the introduction of this measure. He (Lord Brougham)'
for one, placed little reliance on such circumstance:, beclur;
each farm that had been let since this measure W. 13 Int,
duced might be placed in particular circumstance: ; ha-
such arguments were to be brought forward in favrew et
tection, he saw no reason why they should not be 1.....0j3
the opposite side. —( Hear, hear.) Did it not strika L.° est,'
ness of the Noble Baron, when using his figures, thrs:s.tli3e4
might be used against him ? Did it not strike the eV) - es
ron, and all those who acted with him, that thers w ul
great diminution in the price of wheat? He di I ins. 9
to be able to answer the question put by the Noble ees I Irhe
site, when he asked the Government to say what •,vs 1 No,
price of food this time twelvemonth—(Earl Stan's 0021
no ")—whether it was to be higher or lower—( Earl !;nhope.
pe,
..No, no")—or some such question as that,—( E ,41,„ sse
wen.
again, " some such question.") Well, the ries
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what was to be the price.—(Earl Stanhope, " '.-seniese
price.") Well, it was difficult to tell what the If:
would be during the next two years, or the nest t. r y "1"
(Earl Stanhope," No, no.") The Noble Lord -nie.'et
no, but he faithfully represented what he said , risen Wl'
Noble Earl said No, no, he ( Lord Brougham) Noes allet
It was impossible for him to say what woj •.! the price'
during the next ten years. But the alarrnis'ithat
there would be a loss of 10s. per quarter, 3,1; rar
they said would be the effect of this frightful A , but that would
be a` begging of the question. It was as ass ption the truth
of wicChe could not admit ; he was met-- arguing on ha'own figures. Now, let their Lordships lust Oserve a faro.
that had been let at 8201. upon a thirtv.ei4Ot ;ears' lease, prior
to the introduction of this Bill, recently ran ut t of lease, and it
was expected tt ere would be no offer for t. Lut notwithstande
ing all that had been said by the eters,- sts, it had been les
since the introduction of this measurs ins) Parliament at
a:r saide .
'That
1,050/, being a rise of 2001. a year. Wha' right, tr en, had
the alarmists to assume that there wcui t be a fall in priees
under 395. per acre ? If there were to Les ech a fall, there 00/
to be a fall of nearly ail the rent. The Noble Earl said Pt 811) t
so there would be. He gallantly assemed the fact. lie 7:-.
not assume as bad reasoners did, for n 2 assumed the fact, sale'
once attempted an inference. Wheat teas net the only grain,th
would be a diminution proportionably in the other- gray.)
Now he wished to administer a little comfort to thositesel
were so much alarmed. He had got statement,' "bet the/
themselves ; he did not attach much value to them.
were as valuable on the one side as on the other,
eitherfu
against the Bill. Now he wished to administer this corn
them, because he entertained the greatest esteem for these
alarmed individuals.—(Laughter.) He had received a letter
last week from a gentleman on the subject of farm-letting sine"
the introduction of the Corn Bill. The writer lived m Essex
which was represented to be an exceedingly alarmed part
the country—(Hear, hear)—and perhaps there was no Part
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more alarmed.—(Cries of " Name, name.") fit did sot
think that he ought to mention the name. It appsased tall;
a farm of two hundred acres, which was in a very law atuto
cultivation, had been sold since the second reading oi the 1 ern
Bill in that Honse at 36 years' purchase. It was
' revi rush!
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rented at 1201. per annum, and it now realised 600/. H had
reeceived another letter from a gentleman who lived i.i the
neighbourhood of the Bentinok's property, whose re's at.vs tne
writer said, had made themselves very conspicuons sl.o use
of strong language against this measure, and he state i that
land rented there at the present moment from 501. t i be:. pet
acre.—(Hear, hear.) Now, he was decidedly opposed to a
fixed duty. He would prefer even the sliding-sea- ;if be
was offered the two alternatives, either the slidiu,escale es'
a fixed duty, he should certainly' prefer the
(Hear, hear.) Because to say that a fixed duty seetild he
supported because it was a measure of finautie was Pre.
posterous nonsense. ( Hear, hear.) There was not a
shadow of foundation for it. It might be." teessure ,
finance, for there was an impression that it was tee source
of much money to the revenue. His Nobis 1 tisnd saw,'
why do you object to this fixed duty, as if it w s malty such
a bad thing ? It was a very great measure et rataeceS
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would get a large sum of money by it; they wouel be
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repeal part of the property-tax, and the duties set tc,ffee, satia:e
&c. They would be enabled to obtain tse c mieiens
money by the scheme which he propounded. Projectese
always extraordinarily sanguine.
The NOBLE Loan—Not twelve millions.
Lord BROUGHAM—WeII, some very Ist. ee sum.
The NOBLE LORD—One million from the corn-law. lie
Lord BROUGHAM—Then he misunderstood him.
(Lord Brougham) took his stand against a fixed duty necatlaet
it was a tax on the food of the people.--( Hear, hear.) That
was the ground on which he objected t > it—it brought tue
no revenue, no financial measure. 1. it brought the
revenue, it was a tax upon the food of tee eeople, His Nor's
Friend attempted to show that it would rot raise the price
grain in the home market. Why, gracious heaven how was
that? If the price of grain was 355. in the home mark. t--be
meant the price of grain' imported from a foreign countrl:,
from Dantzic, for instance, or Od.ssa—it that g b rain colt°
sold but for the fixed duty at 355., if they did not clap on 9::
as a bread tax, and thus make it 405., it might have bed;
originally sold for 355. Before he sat down he really mu!'
allude to one circumstance, and that was the very extraordi-
nary condition in which this question was placed. There bad
been a most marvellous combination of circumstances attend'
ing it. There had been a most unheard-of and unparalleled
singularity and critical position with respect to all the Pa"
ties connected with it. The candid judges of its merits,
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yionist Lords and he had the greatest respetel.ct.9l.tho...:
them, though he did not agree with them in all their opinizt:r, nor did he agree with them on this question of the Cora Bill.
But there was some advice given by the Noble Marquis to tlaa._
Protection party, and given in the strongest manner—not to
think of anything so foul as a coalition with the party
were opposed to the Minister. He would tell the Noble Lord
there there was no danger of any such thing. Wellsthen, his Nob
Friends showed a kind of disinclination to any cbang3 g
place. If they did not wish it why did they not postpone tee `ll'.•
ther proceeding with this Bill, and offer it every copra' "'I
they could have done in its other stages ? If they wer 3 g tear
ela-ervers, they would have noticed what was going ca ,eut
places. Meetings were held for the purpose of evitleme
cordial and candid feeling of gratitude for the
rendered by the Minister, and for the purpose of aiding Wel.
his difficulties, and prevent any factious opposition be
offered to him. He (Lord Brougham) took it, that thee
object of that meeting was for preventing any coalition between
whose onlY
the enemies of the measure and those persons VV..."
object was to turn out the Government. He therefore cold
great service'i
dered that, as the Government would not go out, they
have the votes of those persons whom his Noble Friend bad end
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deavoured to gain over to his side. Be also considered
it right to assure them, that if they adopted the"l,„
amendment, the Bill was lost, for it would be morally threw!
out the measure, and defeating their own vote, by !shiehTZ
decided it was necessary to read the Bill a second time, and
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go into Committee upon it. He therefore called oes-
Noble Lords to reject the amendment.
Lord STANLEY considered that when his Noble Friend
commenced his observations, he said that for two hours he .ad
been listening to a discussion, of which ss notthe whole, nor the
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greater part, nor the major part, nor a large portion, nor nac—e.,
any portion whatever, had been directed to the pane at issti