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London, England, 1848-05-27 00:00:00

file; itAJA OF SATTARA.

Mr. GEORGE THWIPSON give notice that, on
ping into the Committee of Supply, he should
call the attention of the flown to the Raja of
Saitsra and to the elaimi of his deieendants.
GRAND JURIES.

Mr. FORSTEII wished to ask the Hon. Baronet the
Secretary of State for the Home Department whether
his attention had been drawn to a presentment by the
gram! jury to the Judges presiding at the Central
Criminal Court on the 18th instant, fur the abolition of
grand juries within the limits of the stipendiary magis-
trates of the metropolis; and whether it was the intention
of the Government to take any steps to remove the evils
complained of in the said presentment.
Sir G. GREY replied that his attention had not been
specially drawn to the presentment of the grand jury
to the Judges presiding at the last session ot the Central
Criminal Court, no copy of the report having reached
him in his official capacity. The lion. Gentleman had,
however, favoured him with a copy ot the presentment
cut from one of the newspapers. No measure was in con-
templation by tho Government for the alteration of the
present system ; but he was ready to admit that
the system of gran I jnlirs was susceptible of
improvement. In making this statement, however, he
did not wish it to be talon as a pledge that he would
introduce any measure on the subject.
IRELAND.

Captain HARRIS wished to ask the Hog. Gentle-
man the Secretary of State t4`r the Home Department,
whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government
to avail themselves of the large militsry force now in
Ireland, and by introducing a measure for the search
and seizure of pikes, to provide for the secu-
rity of that part of the United Kingdom.
Ile
.asked. the qn-stion, because he believed that if the
Government tool: a decided step in the matter that loss
of life would he prevented, and energy given to the trade
of the country.

Sir G. GICEY reminded the Hon. Gentleman that by
the pa,sed in the early part of the session for the
suppri-sson of crime and outrage in Ireland, the
Lord-Lieutenant was empowered to apply its provisions
to any part of Ireland which he might think fit, in
which case the proper anthor.ties would have the power
of seiz'ng arms. It was not the intention of the Go-
vernment to propo.e any further measures with respect
to the sycarity of t!-lat country.

After some turttwr discussion, it wai agreed that the
Hou.ie at its rising bhou 1.1 wijourn to Blonday.
THE MINT.

Sir J. TYRRELL m,,ved for returns of the name of
the Secretiry and salaries of the Comtnissioners
pointedsp-
to inquire into the state of the Mint.
IRISH RAILWAYS.

Mr. F. FRENCH pve notice of his intention on
Tui-slay, the 6th ot. J tyke, to wove for leave to bring in a
Bill to secure to Ireland a complete system of railway
communication.

S P PLY—S P AIN.
On the question that the House should resolve itself
into a Committee of Supply,
Mr. BANKES sail that he had a notice on the paper
tonight with respect to Spain. It was understood yes.
terday that he sth.uld not briljg is forward today; bat
he was in hopes that the ;Noble Lord at the head of
the Foreign Department would have beenin his
place to have stated when lie would lay the pa-
pers on the table of the House, and he was also
in hopes that the Noble Lord at the had of the
Government would also have been in his place to have
stated whether or not he would give him an early
day to bring the subject forward; as, however,
neither of these Noble Lords were present, he
had no alternative left but to pospone his motion
till the next supply night, which he believed was
this day se'nnight. He should then bring it on unless
the Noble Lord at the head of the Government would
give him a day to do so, not later than Monday so'n-
night. If he did nor, he should certainly bring it for-
ward this day se'nnight.
The CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER said
that as soon as the debate on the navigation-laws reso-
lutions was concluded, and the Bill hroug'it in, his
Noble Friend at the head of the Government would
proceed with the Committee of Supply. in order to
afford the Hon. Gentleman an opportunity to bring on
his motion.

DEFICIENCY IN THE REVENUE.
Mr. HUME, before the Howie went into a Com-
mittee of Supply, wa
;anxious to know from
how
some member of it Government intended
to make up the deficiency in the revenue of last year, a
sung of no less than three millions and upwards.—
(Laugh ter.) Hon. Gentlemen eligh• laugh, but he thought
if they had to make up that deficiency,
it no laughing matter. Ho thought they would find
h
ought in the present state of eirefiftnaattantcees to Government
undertake
themselveu the reduction of that
expenditure which they could reduce. ll° was
portion of the
nd upwards,
a
the more induced to rut this question, as he found that
it was intended to spend a sum of 60.000 j. and
rail
in the
in w
which was to be received from a
certain
wwnas propertyeal
lcalled
atyi(' " 1 1 -
pang for a small portion of the Crown
neighbourhood of Windsor, h
provement of the Castle and the npproaches to that : ini
town,
e submitted to the House that this looked very jke
li
extravagance, and he must object to the abominable
system of lighting the candle at both ends, Within the
lest few months 50,0001. had been expended upon Buck-

ingham Palace, while in his time a million and a half of
money had been expended upon Buckingham Palace.
Really it was time this extravagance should be put a
stop to, and he should certainly persevere iu his opposi-
tion to this Bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
Hon. Gentleman had expended a good deal of virtuous
indignation upon a Bill which was ntat before the House,
but he thought the Hon. Gentleman would have acted
with more discretion had he waited till the Bill tame
under discussion before he brought the matter before
the House.
DUBLIN ELECTION.—ABSENCE OF LORD
ROBERT GROSVENOR.
The Committee appointed to try the merits of the
petition against the return of Mr. Reynolds for the city
of Dublin was summoned to the table to be sworn. The
Marquis of Granby, Mr. Bright, Mr. Sotheron, and Mr.
Baines attended at the table, but Lord Robert Grosvenor,
the chairman,-did not make his appearance, and, after
the lapse of a short time,
Mr. F. MAULE rose and said, as the non. Member
had not attended in his place within an hour from the
meeting of the Ilsouse, it was his duty to move, in ac-
cordance with the provisions of the Controverted Elec-
tions Act, that he be taken into the custody of the Ser-
geant-at-Arms.
Sir R. H. INGLIS said it was most important that a
notice should be personally served upon those Members
who were appointed to sit upon Election Committees.
From motives of economy the House had been induced
to adopt a different system, but he could not help think-
ing that in Election Committees, which involved often
matters of vital importance to the parties interested, a
personal service should be required in order to insure the
attendance of the Metnbers.
Sir F. EGERTON said he understood that Lord
Robert Grosvenor had been compelled to go to Brighton
in consequence of the illness of one of his family.
After some further discussion, the motion was agreed to.

PROBATE DUTIES.
Sir DE LACY EVANS rose to inquire if the Go-
vernment intended to give the House an opportunity of
considering the probate duties. He thought it desirable
they should state what were their intentions on the sub
ject of legislation with respect to the owners of real and
of personal property.
DEFICIENCY IN THE REVENUE.
Mr. BRIGHT said the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer had stated that with regard to the outlay
upon improvements at Windsor, they would not in-
volve the expenditure of a single sixpence of the public
money, but, if he understood him right, that
6,0001, which was to be contributed by certain railway
companies, was for the privilege of passing over certain
lands, which in reality belonged to the public, and not
to the Crown ; and, therefore, that 6,000/. ought to be
'Considered as public money, for if it were not, he could
see no reason why the present Bill was brought into
the House at all. There was a feeling growing up in
the country against our increasing expenditure, and it
the Government took no steps towards a re-
trenchment, however beautiful they might be in theory,
they would not be popular with the tax and rate-payers
of the country.
Lord MORPETH. said the money was agreed to be
advanced by a certain railway company in lieu of a certain
amount of accommodation which was to be given to the
public through the agency of the railway, and which the
Crown could not be called upon to give up. The rail-
way proposed to open up grounds which were under
the exclusive control of her Majesty, and could not
be interfered with without her consent, any more than
the property of the Hun. Gentleman. The money to be
received from the company would be laid out in a man-
hneerr which would greatly conduce to the comfort of
and the improvement of Windsor.
Mr. AGLIONBY said that the Bill stated that
"60,0001. be advanced to her Majesty towards the ex-
pense of carrying out this Act." Now, if these words
meant anything, they meant this, that this sum was only
intended to go towards the expenses, and that more
would be expended. The Hon. Gentleman the Member
for Montrose had, therefore, put a plain interpretation
on the Bill, and he (Mr. Agliunby) believed that he was
perfectly justified in doing so.
Lord MORPETH quite agreed with the Hon. Gentle-
man who had spoken, that the fullest information should
be afforded to the House before it was called upon to
sanction the Bill, and in order to show that no further
sum would be required for the works in question.
Lord DUNCAN stated, in reply to a question put to
him by the Hon. Gentleman the Member for Montrose,
that he was chairman of a Committee appointed to
inquire into the expenditure, management, and revenues
of the Crown. He regretted that some little delay had
taken place in consequence of the voluminous nature of
the returns which the Committee had found it necessary
to inquire into; but he assured him that the report would
be prepared with as much expedition as possible.
INSURANCE.
Mr WAWN inquired if it was the intention of the
Government to propose any modification of the duty
upon policies of insurance?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (who
was as indistinctly heard as usual) was understood to
admit that the high nature of the tax was fraught with
some injustice, but that the Government did not intend
to propose any modification of the impost.
ECCLESIASTIC AL COMMISSION.
Mr. E. I)ENISON reported that he had attended
the House of Lords at the request of the House, and that
their Lordships had been pleased to permit the Bishop
of Lincoln to allow evidence taken befor,?. their Lordships
with respect to his diocese to be laid before the Ecclesi-
astical Commissioners.
The stihj, ct then dropped.
ARREST OF LORD ROBERT GROSVENOR.
Mr. Clemenson, the Deputy-Ser2eat at-Arms, here
intimated to the Speaker that Lord Robert Gresv, nor
111,1 been takt.n into cus:ody in accordance with the
motion of the !louse.
Mr. COWPER rose and said he had been requested
by the Noble Lord to express his great regret that he ,
arrived at the House too late to be present at the table
when the Members of the Gonsinittee were summoned at
the table. The fact was, lie was occupied at the time as
the chairman of a public meeting, arid whilst there he
was not aware how rnpidly the time passed by.
(Laughter.) Under these circumstances he hoped the
House. would extend its indulgence to the Noble Lord,
and with that view be begged to move that he be dis-
charged.
Mr. F. MAULE seconded the motion, and added
" without the payment of the costs." The House well
knew that the Noble Lord was connected with many be-
nevolent institutions, and that his time was occupied in
connexion with them.—(Loud cheers.)
The resolution was at once agreed to nem. con.
Lord R. GROSVENOR here entered the House and was
loudly cheered.
DUBLIN ELECTION.
This Committee was then called to the table.
Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR expressed his sin-
cere regret, and assured the House that a similar occur-
retitle should not take place.
The Committee was then sworn.
EQUALIZATION OF TAXES.
Mr. EWART then rose, pursuant to notice, to move
that the present system of disproportionate indirect tax-
ation is injurious to the commerce and manufactures,
and unjust to the working classes of the country. That
the establishment of a mork direct system of taxation on
realised property would relieve trade and manufactures,
and be eventually beneficial to all classes of the commu-
nity. He said he must express his deep disappointment
after what was said last year, that Government had not
thought proper to give this subject their best considera-
tion. He should have thought the course pur-
sued by the Right Honourable Baronet, the
Member for Tamworth, while in office would have
induced any Government to pursue a similar policy, hut
the example of the Right Hon. Baronet had not been
followed, and he therefore felt himself constrained to
bring the suhject before the House on this occasion. He
believed that in Liverpool an association had been formed
for the purpose of procuring a reduction in the taxation
of the country, and similar institutions had since been
established in Manchester and other places, and he
trusted the petitions and representations of these bodies
would not be lest upon the Government. He considered
the present system of indirect taxation was bad. It
weighed oppressively on the commerce acid manutsctures
of the country, and more especially upon the working
classes, and it was high time that a ehagge was made.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHERQUER said
that during the last few years a great reduction of in-
, direct taxation had taken place, and many direct taxes
had been imposed. He was not prepared to propose any
further direct taxation, and he did not see how he could
remove any further portion of the indirect taxation of
the country at present. The subject, however, was
under the consideration of the Government, but in the
present state of the revenue he could not, hold out much
hope of any reduction either in the direct or indirect
taxation of the country.
Tue motion was then withdrawn.
OF
Speaker A T
dT
0A RI
Oa the qu'resHaiEonitthAajt
for the purpose of the Rouse resolving itself RAJAAthetesetihfeinethoaiar
Committee
of Supply,
hie. THOMPSON
was anxious to know whether he
would be afforded an early day to renew the debate with
ee. , if he could
respect to the late Raja of Sattae must ram bring the matter
? Because,
not obtain such an assurance, he
on to-night.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCEIEVER,n the
absence of the President of the Board of Control,
could
not promise the Hon. Member au early day to bring on
his :notion.
Mr. THOMPSON then stated he would pat the ques-
tion again on Monday.
SPAIN.
Mr. lIERRIES said, as the Right Hon. Gentleman
the Chancellor of the Exchequer had adverted before
this to the (elution of the Hon. Member for Dorsetshire
(Mr. Baukes) with respect to the strange occurrenceii in
this country, he took that opportunity of .
Spain, which had excited su much anxious attention
~ nu 3
b'
mwere
bteor ofbe theli
laid
)obv Government
table
ew whether t
theer Housetpaphe teiri
tw
(hi
atc3h,,
according to premise, would be in the hands of Hon.
Members to-morrow; and, further, whether it was in-
tended that these papers should convey to the House all
the explanations and information which her Majesty's
Government might think necessary to give to the House
on this most extraordinary occurrence, or whether they
intended, on some early day, to furnish the House
with some further information with respect to the
conduct of the Government and of her Majesty's
Minister in Spain in this transaction. He could
imagine that every member of the Government
must feel himself burning with impatience to relieve the
body to which he belonged from kthe suspicion—to say
the least of it—which rested on them at present.— (Hear,
hear.) A Minister of the Crown of England, repre-
senting the interests of that Crown at a foreign Court,
had been, not to say ignominiously, but unceremoniously
ejected from his otrice. Such a thing had never occurred,
he believed he might confidently state, in the history of
the diplomacy of this country, except in the case of and

in reference to an immediate war. If such an onus
rested on the Gov,rmuent to explain this matter, as
undotthb diy lay upon them, they should lose no time
about it, and he thought every member of it mus,. be
most anxious to state to Parliament everything in hich
was intended to exculpate the Government in this
mctter.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could
not but Vilna it was unfortunate the Right Honourable
Gentleman had not taken the opportunity of asking his
questions when his Noble Friend at the head of Foreign
Affairs ;Lord Palmerston) was in his place, as he was in
this House some ten minutes previously, and would, no
doubt, have been able to give him a much more satis-
factory answer than be (the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer) could hope to do. He understood from his Noble
Friend that he proposed to lay on the table of the
House that night, in order that they might be delivered
into the hands of Honourable Members to-morrow morn-
ing, those papers which might be necessary to enable
them to form an opinion as to what had taken place in
Spain. With respect to the observations of the Right
Honourable Gentleman, he thought it better to abstain
from making any comment upon them; but this he would
say, that the 'notion of the Honourable .Nleinber for
Dorsetshire was nut postponed in consrquence of any
wish expressed on the part of her Majesty's Govern-
ment. Her Niajesty's Government did not shrink from
any explanation on the subject, and he had no doubt
his Noble Friend (Lord Palmerston) would be prepared
with the most lull and ample explanation when the time
arrived.

Mr. .DISRAELI—Sir, I am rather sorry for the
words which have been used by the Right Hon. Gentle-
man the Chancellor of the Exchequer, with reference to
the motion of the Hon. Member for Dorsetshire. My
Hon. Friend (Mr. Bankes) gave notice of his intention
to call the attention of the Reuse to the consideration of
certain documents connected with the affairs of Spain,
laid on the table of the House by her Majesty's Minis-
ters, more particularly in respect to some matters
omitted in those papers. I cannot conceive anything
more natural on the part of my lion. Friend than his
declining to bring his motion forward for the considera-
tion of the House when the documents were proved to
be so imperfect, and when her Majesty's Ministers the
same evening came forward and announced that they
felt it to be their duty to lay other papers on the table
of the House, which papers could not be in the hands of
Members until the morning after the intended deb-de ;
and I think it rather surprising that her Majesty's Mi-
nisters should now say that they were ready to meet the
question, but my Hon. Friend declined to combat them.
Her Nfejesty'a Ministers were ready to meet the question
upon their own showing, knowing that my lion. Friend
had not the documents in possession on which it was ne-
cessary to decide. As to the anxiety. of my Hon. Friend
the Member for Dorsetsbire to bring forward this ques-
tion, I thought every Member of the House was anxious
for the discussion of such a subject; and those who
should be mist influenced by anxiety, I should have
thought, would have been the responsible advisers of the
Crown.—(Cheers.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I found
no fault with the Hon. Gentleman. Alt I said was that
the Government did not prevent him bringing on his
motion. I think it highly desirable that the papers to
which I have referred should be on the table of the
HOUSP.
Mr. HERRIES—I was unable to put my question as I
had intended in the presence of the Noble Lord the Se-
cretary or State for Foreign Affairs, because other
ngen-
tlemen had possession of the House, and before the dis-
cu-sion had closed her Majesty's Secretary of State had
departcl from the Huse.
JUDGES OF VAN DIEMEN'S LAND.
Mr. C. ANSTEY, seeing the Under Secretary for the
Colonies in his place, wisked to know whether it was
true that, in consequence of the judges of Van Diemen's
Land having decided against a Bill of the Legislative
Assembly or that colony for levying taxes on the colo-
nists, one of the judges had been dismissed from his
office, and whether the Hon. Gentleman had any objec-
tion to lay upon the table the correspondence relating to
the transaction?
Mr. lIAWES said the information he had received
upon the subject was derived from private sources, but
he understood that official information was on its way to
this country. Before he could promise to lay this infor-
mation on the table he must see its contents.
CALEDONIAN RAILWAY.

Mr. HUME wished to know from the Secretary
of the Admiralty if he had any objection to relate the
circumstances under which the consent of that board had
been given to the Caledonian Railway to cross the river
Clyde?
Mr. WARD said that the Admiralty had re-consi-
dered the subject, and the company having consented to
erect a bridge in accordance with the instructions oc the
Surveyor of the Admiralty, they considered that it would
have been a stretch of the prerogative of the Crown to
oppose it any further, arid they, therefore, consented to
the project.

The Earl of LINCOLN was satisfied that the Admi-
ralty had done its duty in the matter, and that no blame
could attach to that department. He, however, hoped
that care would be taken that the parties who had relied
upon the Admiralty should not be damnified by that
which was something like a fraud practised upon the
board.

Mr. B. COCHRANE complained that this matter
should have been brought forward without any notice to
the parties interested, in whose absence the Noble Lord
(the Earl of Lincoln) ought not to impute fraud to then!).
After a few words from Mr. Ward, Mr. Macgregor,
Mr. nestle (Glasgow), Mr. Aglionby‘ and Mr. Hume,
the conversation dropped..______