The Sun.
London, England, 1846-08-07 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

11017 SE OF LORDS August 6.
The Earl of "
SLlAtlrhTcoEk.
sBURY
WA°l(jehsasecnicgeetrsEifvreomo,co
Bills, and prayin tea his seat upon the
‘neir Lr'sjo°rlndsnihi°pnis' concurrence.
E'-' several
•JoR• LAW REMOVAL BILL.
GREY then moved the second reading of the
x'oor Removal Bill. He would not ask their Lordship's
to pass it if it was to be a final measure, for
cr
the subject of settlement would require. the most
serious attention of Parliament at a very early period.
Reserving final legislation on the law of settlement, the
question now was, should they interfere with the exist-
ing evils which wore well-known to attend the operation..
of the present poor-law? By the law, as it now stood,
a poor man went in early life into the manu-
facturing districts and passed a considerable Por-
tion of his lire there, he W-as not entitled to mil
relief, should he require it. This, it would be generally
admitted, was a great hardship ; and it was to meet
that case that the Bill was introduced. A strong ex-
pectation was excited when the Corn'Bill was
intro-
duced, that such a measure would be brought forivar?_
and it was to meet that feeling that he asked thew
Lordships to give the Bill a second reading. 118
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The Duke of RICHMOND objected to the Bi • b
thought that as the whole law of settlement was to
considered next session, it would not be advisable to 'LI
terfere now with the law of removal. This was one of
the boons which was promised to accompany the no-
laws.—(Laughter.) He was against union sottlernee''
the
as ho believed that they would grind the poor to the
dust. He agreed that the hardship pointed out by
lr 0.
Noble Earl was very great, but, instead of any. tee
racy regulation of the law, they ought not to I°tAer„ he
till a permanent measure was brought forward. .7(101
considered that this Bill would give rise to a great tot
of litigation, and as he considered that such an rower
question should not be lightly touched, he would
upon the Noble Earl the propriety of postponing his
till next session.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH objected to the ht
It was not the Bill which was intended to be hrue're-
u,
forward by the late Government, and he could not to
fore support it.

Earl-OREY—It is the same Bill .
Earl of ELLENBOROUGH—Then exactl y
, if it be the: into
he must say that alterations were introduce" "0.01
it in the House of Commons which completely ell'ult'as
it from that contemplated by the late Governmeil.
supplementary to the Corn Bill.
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Lord REDESDALE supported the Bill. The oene
principle
nt
alge
The Marquis of SALISBURY said it was (1."
on iaat.
last day that the House met he asked the Noble I" le
Nob
quis opposite a question on this subject, and the , ori
Marquis replied that he considered the subject °I old
great importance, and he was induced to think it Iv the
gisr
not bo pressed on so quickly. He was also nn—cesrs
impression that it was intended to make 11V tje the
en
dtmo
eaudtosp.t, thaotitghe
residence a settlement. A pauper might apP'Y
relieving officer under these circumstances, who 010
answer that he should go to a magistrate and Pr°cide
statement, and that the magistrate would then decide
whether he was entitled or not to relief. But wlntbse.
to become of the wretched pauper in the nieZgraee
This Bill, if it were carried, would remain a v.-1'
on the statute book.
The Marquis of WINCHELSEA said
he
en t eL
the Noble Earl would consent to the postpone to ea.
this Bill. If this Bill were passed it would lesa , the
less litigation. He would ask the Noble Lord °lola'
Woolsack what was meant er by residence ? •
n
tamed that this Bill did not place the Palr,,re wad
proper position. With respect to lunatics too-freceeo
considerable injustice done, and he knew a case from 5
occurrence where a poor woman was removed
her friends to a distance of 300 miles. ended fd
Earl ST. GERMANS said that the Bill int owe,
provide an exemption from removal. He fully I:be eeli
that the measure was by no means complete, oneot stste ;
sidered that it was an improvement on the Pre,sos i°o
of the law, and he must contend that the 13i" the ,5*t
materially altered from the one introduced ble fjons
e
Government. He, therefore, trusted that al
Br
would not reject it.
irbi Lord BEAUMONT said that the promisethe 1...-
companied the Bill was of such importance tiniejest lieep
not throw cold water upon it by voting eg:o gife used
(Hear.) Because that promise bound theoV roogni for
attention to the question of settlement, and
the principle that a residence should give I/ d
pia
settlement. isToble ideeef;
The Duke of RICHMOND desired his
of res
on the Woolsack to tell him what period he helle co
would give a claim for settlement ;in fact Bill fr
that there was an appeal in every clause of the of
any possible decision which would be made. • fierieu,he
Lord CAMOYS considered that a certau_V, 01.14
residence ought to give a claim to settlem_enehL pessole
great aim of the Bill should be to do as .7toesnitY.sh,
justice to parishes with the least possible 1.
the PI
the poor. He considered that every person in n the rstB"st
whether he paid rate or not, should be uPt4," utt.oll,
books, which would prevent unjust claims• e the 131 A
practical difficulties arose in every clause °' wider('
He should support the Bill, however, as he c°-
it was an improvement. sire'
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that a 09 De
measure existed in Scotland, and though there e
__.lo o
abstract definition of the term residence, tiler %("Dor•
practical difficulty in administering the
tlO5
hear.)
The Duke of GRAFTO
N said that he considered io
the Bill would do a great deal of harm, and felt coaoe
litigation. nos
that it would produce endless
NEsaid that the grell'res
The Marquis of LANSD OW
.ng. we
.0
second reap i 1
upon which he would vote for the
of impro v_;, act'
that the Bill recognised the principle
sure that if it w
the poor-law, and because lie felt
flnd tropes'
eh
placed upon the statute book they would so
_es_
sible to stop, but that they should go on any, I Of
ers it
measure as would give universal satisfactielb,reeeivheea
sure was precisely in
from the late Government, and theregnest was
no alteration in it except of the h- there ate('
instances. Their Lordships were aware that prove ded
a cruel law upon the statute-book, vvb'ned es:Pe;lacl•
those who had passed their best years, a",3lea° pest
their toil and money in a place, in their o°oo, the $OO
versity from receiving. the slightest aidioenlitP,olsej
authorities if he had not been born in the be recee'd
that was a cruel and unjust principle, and
ens, 850 the
in the present measure a great in3Pr°.v ,aysnesasbir;
would, therefore, support it as a step Ler ;
right direction. He, therefore, hoped
011. 110
the on
would sanction the second reading of be a' ea that
The Marquis of SALISBURY said or_ boue,
press the House to a division, although ,°_,usioes.
the Bill would be the source of endless di"osed t!" 015
Lord REDESDALE said that if they P uroleS ?ctiCO
inaCC nari
they would be enabled to discover the „ tb© Or
10
working, .and thus have the benefit ot
which they would obtain by next year, ana order
The Bill was then read a second time,
101'0
be committed this day week. of ale e
Lord CLARENDON, in the absene.?___s of th
of Clanricarde, moved the second reaurvienta (ir
ela
Asses.,,n
Prisons Bill, the Grand Jury
ei
to
Bill, and the Shannon Navigation Bill:, Noble -; cti°
Lord MONTEAGLE desired th , ()We
Bill, a
• n
hers r
postpone the Shannon Navigation Ale
had been made to it.
the two -
The Bill was then withdrawn, and
ceived a second reading.
The House then adjourned.

lot 6'

ON
Jug.
HOUSE OF COMMONS, ' oo
lteo
SUGAR DUTIES BILL' coulP
On the motion being put for going int° • h Iv'
this Bill, mn of whil•er tl3,°
Mr. Ves
.n. SMlTHnoltiicee
,wt
ori
so hs
the
wished
a Under tto puto
Secretary
know
ow q u ei
fs ti.
0-:- 4°, 5,e,,,t
~,i.teor,j,-,4
'Ciaodlogniive
arrangementpniomnofogsemu tinrethlaioboblenoirent.
had been made in Mr. SecretarY4 r 6eercpter
the appointment of tin-oe, hod a 00$
to the Colonial Department? Mr. Glscist°oo "004
mined upon a gentleman for the 002 ' defost
„.e.t°
been previously connected with ~13 be, „11-c°; 013
and this system was considered s'" Col°,--,;iiiy ;he
the gentlemen connected with OLT flo' us of "-,0
Mr. Gladstone proposed to sweep 0"-',, cler duct vci-
head clerkship, but also the probatioaarld cOnt of 'be
offiso, and he thought such a ..'ir°c t sel°llcied t° the
highly objectionable, and caused a greilie allu ourse 0
jury to a very valuable class of persons, Pauly ~, fit.
clerks in the Colonial-office. The more ~,, to t.'tttt-,.."
have adopted, would have been to come d",, AO. ego',
anyth short . insinuationuv. statementoil beteri:,,
_hoonerclie,orc
eeespoft.it:
and state that there was a necessity for a,- such uovo
cretary. He would have gladly supporteu create toe;
soiffiticoen., but hheaolbjmeacdteedthtois
the Hon. Gentleman to the consideration °,otutenh", 0;4"
lirsuEb
jSecdtecinlivnoeldveadt
it.nhethpere_cistie_aest;,ol;o
,coefrgtp"gietl:ooi
r into ioffice,
Gljennatntlidel
mhallande cohnasdulted"wditi7g tbSeeci;eatsPrie;
the
oioeshg,aivdheebtdehieedaannot think Phreew, oalTdhe !?fge,efo'st le
rsewfeerrrerde
officer. With regard to the
required. roved prsOin
the °wood li
ever, wh
they ought clericefficieneYe' gee: Ott
cient offi
would bear witness to their general to thilot Oc.,e6ct
lIAtIoE
btheoibt,thtte,ritt.
rtehaeteodiettntietirhebleads P.
~,,
fully_ and cheerfully gave his testicaoll
were 5-ivere% tie
should not have parties placed over t ce "4 Ile
way referred to. refs: 11%07°
Lord J. RUSSELL said, that in duty wa6 ,topitifore'
office of Assistant-Secretary, the , the el% tbere,
collar one, the party filling it hayinl4'etot irsi.'avi 13; tb°
of all colonial matters. The app be care! iii tiO be
a very important one, and should „,„03itio pot ,eO,
He was quite ready to agree to the Pr-rcould otiewttle
important business of legislation of getoartoos
carried on without the services
inciples joro_ool
who were acquainted with the rally
Hitt it of
the
practice of the law, and especiallYt . )3ts ot or
office of an Under-Secretary of Sta eipterestecl• aotl;'
to him that in this case the Teel, on'te;
senior clerks ought not W besuMeient 'tore' aerl
duties of these gentlemen Were
„,,, to Pef, be ot °,,,
and there were not too many Per'-' coed ....y, 0 1 110
The appointment of Mr. Rogers
think thnt snous fe-ei,
proper one, and he did not
exhibited, in putting errenehAt P°'
judgment had been made, or anY no . ,oto,
who was intimate wiih the routiee,i°t at q'rj, 001
a gendonanf Its autnefe,rirel:
The Earl of LINCOLN thou,,. 1_ few'
-1 rjs t,iil
had been made to the conduct of
it: tevi wo bi, ~,,,
of his, he might be allowed to versa ion wit? ct, tliel/le
House. He had held a convers _ owe
sor , ,
the 01 ys' ieco..l
not an official correspondence,
that
i-i , h p f
etar
Hon. Member for Montrose, t.sa_t.secr
bat iv f
Hon. Friends at the time on this.veleY cool lam r#s
had been appointed to the Assi ow r
he was a lawyer, and occitmint a With
select, not because he
fthns, ..--
•
wasea. stritngtuee
o ,
ciao
ed