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London, England, 1846-07-08 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, July 7.
Their Lord hips met at Five o'clock.
MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.

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Messengers from the House of Commons brought up
several Bills, which were ordered to be laid on the table.
THE LAW RELATING TO LUNACY.
Lord REDEsDALE presented a petition from the
Alleged Lunatics Friend Society, prayingfor improvement in
the law relating to insane persons.
SITES OF CHURCHES.

Lord BROUGHAM pre-ented a petition from several
members of the Scotch Free Church, praying that facilities
might be given for the granting of sites for the building of
churches in connexion with that communion.
JUVENILE OFFENDERS BILL.

The Marquis of WESTMINSTER postponed the second
reading of this Bill till Thursday next. _

The—Earl of ZETLAND pre.:ented the report from the
Select Committee on the Caledonian Railway (Midlothian
branch).
Lord RIVERS brought up the report of the Select Com-
mittee on the Axholme, Gainsborough, Goole, and York and
North Midland Junction Railway Bill.
EXETER AND YEOVIL, AND PLYMOUTH
RAILWAYS.

Lord VIVIAN moved that it an instruction to the
Committee of Classification of Railways to refer the Exeter
and Yeovil and the Plymouth Railways to the same Select
Committee.

The Earl of DEVON (lid not see any necessity for the
motion of the Noble Lord, and he did not consider that the
circumstances of the case required any such grouping. He
considered the proposition quite novel, and that the ordinary
proceedings with regard to railway Bills should not be
departed from.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH thought that the ar-
rangement as to the railway Bills should be left entirely to
the Committee of Classification. _ . _

Lord PORTMAN thought that the Noble Lord (Vivian)
should withdraw his motion, and leave the grouping of these
Bills to the ordinary course.
Atter a few words from Lord REDESDALE, who re-
marked that Committees very often, in their good nature,
sanctioned schemes which were not always the best the dis-
trict would atlord,
Lord BROUGHAM said their system of railway legisla-
tion ought to be revised and some more efficatious and settled
principles established than those which now existed for the
guidance of Committees.

After a few words from one or two other Noble Lords,
Lord VIVIAN withdrew his motion, and the Bill was read
a second time and ordered to be committed.
SELECT COMMITTEES.
The Duke of RICHMOND said he wished to say a few
words on the subject of Select Committees. Although there
was an immense number of Bills before their Lordships,
they had only been able to get three Committees together.
Now Noble Lords were exempt from serving on juries, in
consequence of the duties they had to perform
in that House, and he hoped, after this notice, they would
come down to attend to the business of the country.
The Earl of CLARENDON was glad the Noble Duke bad
called attention to this subject. It was a crying evil, and
they ought to be much obliged to the _Noble Duke
for the exertions he had made to provide Committees. If
Noble Lords did not think proper to attend after that notice,
it would be absolutely necessary to pass a resolution to com-
pel them to do so.—( Hear, hear.)
Lord HATHERTON was connected with some of the
railways in the centre of England, and he could positively
state that out of doors there existed a feeling of great dis-
satisfaction as to the slow progress their Lordships made in
the appointment of Railway Committees.—(Hear.)
Lord REDESDALE denied that the public bad anycause to
complain of the House having neglected its business, for he be-
lieved not a Bill had come up from the other House this ses-
sion which had not had a Committee appointed on it within a
week afterwards.—(Hear, hear.) The fact was, the blame
in most cases rested with the agents who had charge of
the Bills, and not with the House.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord HATHERTON admitted that in a few instances that
might be the case, but still the feeling in the country was
that most of the blame rested with the House. Many Bills
would come up in a few days, and if they were not got
through this year, of course the House would have to make
them remanets for next.—(Hear, hear.)
SHEFFIELD AND EAST LINCOLNSHIRE RAILWAY.

After an irregular discussion on the motion of the Duke of
Beaufort, the third reading of this Bill was postponed till
Thursday week.

Severl Bills were advanced a stage, and the House ad-
journed, at half-past six o'clock, till Thursday.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Jury 7.
The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock.
NEW WRITS.
LISKEARD.

Mr. TUFNELL moved fora writ for the borough of
Liskeard, in the room of Mr. C. Buller, who had accepted the
office of her Majesty's Judge Advocate.

EIIf;),TBURGII.

The HoN. GENTLEMAN also moved for a new writ for the
city of Edinburgh, in the room of W. G. Craig, Esq., who
had accepted the office of one of the Lords Commissioners fer
executing the office of Lord High Treasurer of England and
Vice-Treasurer of Ireland.

EDINBURGH AND-GLASGOW UNION CANAL, AND
EDINBURGH AND GLASGOW RAILWAY, AND
FORTH AND CLYDE JUNCTION BILLS.
Mr. BAINE moved that it be an instruction to the Com-
mittee upon the Edinburgh and Glasgow Union Canal, and
the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway, and Forth and Clyde
Navigation Junction Bills, to entertain the petition of the
Commissioners of the Harbour and Docks of Leith, against
these Bills, notwithstanding that the said petition was not
presented three clear days before the sitting of the said
Committee.
After a short discussion the motion was withdrawn.
REPORTS.

Derbyshire, Staffordshire, and Worcestershire Junction

Railway.
Leeds Central Railway station.
Leeds, Dewsbury, and Manchester Railway (Wakefield Ex-
tension).
South Staffordshire Junction Railway with Branches (N 0.1.)
South Staffordshire Junction Railway (No. 2.) (Bilaton and
Priestfield Branch).
South Staffordshire Junction Railway (No. 3.) (Showhill
and Portobello Branch).
South Staffordshire Junction Railway (No. 4) (Willenhall
and Bloxwich Branch).
Tunbridge Wells Improvement.
York and North Midland Railway (Widening and Enlarge-
ment).

SECOND READINGS.
Eastern Counties Railway (Wisbeach to Spalding).
Ludlow Charity Estate Bill.

BIRMINGHLI AND OXFORD JUNCTION RAILWAY.
Mr. MUNTZ moved the consideration of the report on this
Bill.

Mr. E. DENISON moved that the consideration of this
report be postponed, in order that the House should take
into its consideration those clauses which should have been
revised by the Committee to which the line had originally
been referred.

Mr. C. RUSSELL said that as this line had been designed
to amalgamate with the Great Western Railway, how was it
possible for the Committee upon it to consider the tolls of a
railway—the Great Western Railway—which was not before
them ? The question of tolls had been carefully considered
b 3• the Committee as far as they had been able to go. The
Birmingham Company were, no doubt, at the bottom of this
opposition, as in case of the views of the Oxford Company
not meeting theirs they wished to overthrow them in the
House.

After a few words from Sir ROBERT FERGUSON and Mr.
MANGLES,
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Mr. F.T. BARING said he could not consent to the pass-
ing of the Bill under existing circumstance& He thought it
would be well if the Bill was re-committed to the Committee,
in order to re- consider the question of tolls. Either this
ought to be done, or else the power of amalgamation in the
Bill should be struck out. Were that done, the objection to
its passing would be removed. It was an object of the
Amalgamation Committee that no amalgamation should be
without a revision of the charges of both companies that
sought to be united.

Mr. BERNAL did not think any Committee sitting up
stairs could make a satisfactory rev ion of the tolls of esta-
blished companies, which had been incorporated under so-
lemn Acts of Parliament, and certain rates of tolls therein
allowed. He could not assent to the doctrine laid down by
the Hon. Member for Portsmouth.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.

Messengers from the House of Lords brought up several
Dills, which were ordered to be laid on the table.
The discussion on the Birmingham and Oxford Junction
Railway was then resumed.

Mr. WILLIAMS thought the only object of the present
motion was to delay the Bill from passing, and he could not
support it. •He was glad the Great Western Company had
got possession of the country in question, as he belied the
public would be greatly benefited by the line proposed to be
made.

Lord HARRY VANE thought it much better the Bill
should be delayed than that it should be passed with the toll
clauses in their present shape.
Mr. PAKINGTON entirely agreed with the doctrine
laid down by the Hon. Member for Portsmouth. He did not
think the Hon. Member for Weymouth bad given good
reasons why the Bill should be allowed to pass in its present
shape. He was sorry that the Bill should be delayed, but
justice to the public required it.
Mr. HAYTER supported the re-consideration of the report.
Mr. E. DENISON thought that the suggestion thrown
out by the Hon. Gentleman, that they had been brought for-
ward at the instance of the London and Birmingham7Com-
pany, ought not to have bee❑ made. For his own part, he
was not connected either with the London and Birmingham
or the Great Western Company, and he viewed the matter
quite irrespective of the interests of either.
After a few words from Captain FITZMAURICE and Mr.
RICARDO,
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Sir GEORGE CLERK regretted that no previous notice
of this subject had been given, for if this bad been done he
was quite sure the House would be better prepared to come
to a more accurate judgment on the merits of the question.
He thought, if the consideration of the report was postponed
till Thursday or Friday, the interests of the public would be
promoted by the delay.
Mr. MUNTZ said that it was in vain to dissemble that
the opposition to this line came from the London aid Bir-
mingham Company. That company had never evinced any
desire to meet the wishes of the public until they were forced
to do so by the competition of the Great Western Company.
They had met every application which had been made to
them for a reduction of tolls with a positive refusal until the
competition he had referred to took place.
Mr. ESTCOURT thought the Committee had the power
but he
deserving the
of looking into the tolls.
ioStiirleJ. EASTHOPE said that he never held a share either
Great,o Western or London and Birmingham Companies,
attentively
one pglit the present question was very important, and
public would be
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impossible for them attention of the House. He thought it
considered,
to proceed unless the question was more
served if this were done.
Sir T. and he was sure the interests of the
eleventh, hour to introduce,
it, was not fair at this, the
vague a nature Whictiroduce, without notice, a motion of so
the interests of the aharwellulid have the effect of endangering
Mr. BARING thought it was
f a perfectly voluntary act on
the part of the company to
therefore, submit to the condition,eare this line, and they must,
existing tolls. which was a revision of the
Sir G. CLERK would move, as an amendment, that the
further consideration of the debate be adjourned till Thurs-
day next.
Mr. MUNTZ would object to any postponement, as it
would promote the very object of the opposition,
which was
delay.
Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET supported the amend-
ment.
After some little discussion, in which Mr. Muntz, Mr.
Greene, and Mr. Denison, took part,
Mr. MUNTZ consented to withdraw the original motion,
and moved Ulf tth 11111 he recommitted to-morrow.
OXFOIID AND CAMBRIDGE RAILWAY. .
Mr. II UDSON presented a petition from a landowner upon
a line of railway, which left this House seventy-three miles
in length, and which a Ceamittee of the lieuee of Lords had