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i<lember for Durham (Mr. Bright) ought at the ian act of injustice towards Canada. That country hest not
~;;• tii be rereernbtiredenarnely, whether they (eight no , isle titneient time to express its esertifill Ort the measure, net-
lesion
o''''' tiv,e eeiseerneet, to exiend ilie •r..•., `ti_, me ead ~ .r+ ?sae's thz •IYry tedi‘,ll,, 1103,,te. whieil seerand likely to
eir. Nct4teivirittele grouttes for ad.-retires measures te, do en ief. in . net-action in the price te vpiu;n. --(Laughter. ) Ile
tetion, s, - 1)"6: 't l'£ sere 1., never c mtempiee d ey el, i ileitis:set teas- wee., she fisget Hoc:. Berotiet eyelid tell the
neagh,
it would
extensive an impairer as some Hon. Members Prussian Minister that he intended to make a large reduction
great twoulii lead to. He (Mr. Newdegate_) knew that a in the tariff of the country, be would receive a hearty shake
seise numberet of electors bad been dealt with, bah in Warwick- of the hand from him ; but he would receive a shake of the
elengrt in Staffordshire, but under the circumstances be head, when he asked abeut any reduction in the Prussian tariff.
The t evould be useless to persevere in his motion.
ffi
'notion was withdrawn accnerdingly. He did consider that the measure was hurried on with su-
cient grounds, and certainly it mast be, he thought, admitted
kr., FoR • • RAILWAYS. that they should first of all have a financial statement. The
ens bee
,re ORS TER moved for returns of all the railway, schemes malt-tax, it was hoped by the agricultural classes, would be
teen
ne,it.the House, together with returns of the list, of ee abolished, line there was, he feared. little chance of such
tebertlwetr, etn had been constructed, and the ein the course of being tee case. He lb night it witule be very proper to say.
The seou'ti that at the cenclusion of three years, that tax al=e should
o.rl was agreed to. cease. There was a 'sum of 50e,000 . retee tewaris the ex-
GAME-LAWS. penses of the navy, and he could reit but believe there would
eettron.C.elle.AVEN 13 e RKELEV. in moving for a select be ann a large amount required for the army. There was
tee"' . which had been asked for in a petition from Chen -500,000 e voted for public unless in Ireland, and a remission of
bete' begged to nay that he had been accused by a Mem- taxation was proposed to the amount of half a million
teenirilte, Anti Corn-law League, of making a diatribe against more, so that, after all, he believed they would
the garue'a 'new to carry his own motion for an alteration in be placed in the position of having, not with-
far ee, eetaies. Now, he must beg to assert that in moving standing the income-tax,a deficient revenue, 4ntally inadequate
lee e„,e_ennmittee, he had not the slightest h stile- feel- to meet the expenses of the country—(Hear, hear)—and
teneeinust the Anti-Corn-law League, or against any insti- that there was in consequence great chance of having- an in-
e iel the country• crease ot taxation. Under those circumstances he thought
IliWianimittee was then appointed, consisting of Mr. Craven that before the measure was carried 'through the House,
tPerreeeieY'A',!r• Blight, Mr. Nevrdegate, Mr. T. Duncombe, Mr. the financial statement should be made; and he also saw no rea-
4,idy ' 'r• Ridley Colburn, Sir R. H. Ifiglis. Mr. Red- son why the acids of the Bill should not be neutralized by a
pttusna,neklers.. M. Gibson, Mr. Villiers, Lord discussion of tee sugar duties.—(Laughter.) The Right
Ifciersrtit.iiiittritken,dee;ir.R;
Hon. Baronet would give them much greater satisfaction if
°THE:ITON objected to the appointment of the he had introduced a discussion of the sugar duties. There was
'• The nee, on the grounds of the expense. another reason, too, for delaying the question ; it wait the pre-
e•ornusittee was appointed. carious state in which they were with respect to America.
Sire. re GRAND JURIES. Why he thought that freetrade under the present circumstances
ked tIia'RATIAM, in reply to an Honourable Member, would not he' introduced by the humblest tyro in legislative
reed that the information received by the Government of the knonledge, for it did appear to him that as matters at present
' ' ortee ngs of the grand juries, especially that of the county of stood, instead of free trade a war tax would be imposed; they shOuld
IstiveeenTherlend, was at present insufficient to base any legis- he feared, have to re-establish the beer tax, and they would be
"sures for their improvement. . in a position of having broken up a great party in the country,
Joel n ne INDIAN ARMY. and be obliged is the end to retrace their steps. Under all
'Vest to eeTZRO y wished to know how the Ministry in- these circumstances he thought it would be expedient that some
tserenC Proceed with regard to giving medals to the several of the business connected with the financial statement should
'406,4? of the Indian army who had been g enea ed in the late be first introduced, but be must say, in conclusion, he pre-
ps
tt ,„ ferred the measure brought forward by the Right Honourable
nywteet irre.EL could not say exactly what course would be Baronet than the total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws.
'etief,e leele knew that medals were in preparation for the of- Mr. WARD rose and said, that the Hon. Gentleman who
'•%t en e army but did not know what the medals would had last spoken, accused them of hurrying nu that question,
of fur the 'other mem of the service. end that the landlords were intitled to be heard, twenty or
The ADJOURNED DEBATE. thirty of whom had not yet spoken. Of the whole speech
o ttiorder of the day having been read, which he inflicted on the House, not one word but the last
teethe
' NKEei said that he was anxious to make a state- sentence bore on the question. It seemed that one half
• eneent PEW, that farmers wished that there should be ar of the Ht nourable Gentleman's argument was corn-
.s`if 14 e repeal of the corn-laws. He could not understand plaiting of her Majesty's Ministers, and the other half was on the
hesseif,tadvantage would result to lieland from oeening the subject of protection. The Hon. Gentleman complains of
Nee, i:`)' the Government did not proceed to open them et taxes, and talks of the abolition of the malt-tax, as a boon to
kt tha ti it would be for the great benefit of Ireland, why was the farmers. But he thought that every Gentleman in that
it tatiefee_iirse pursued, If the opening of the ports was for Huse would admit that ninety-nine parts out of every
tttss 11,11 that country as was said, why was it not dome, when hundred was paid by the consumer. That is the boon which
i'ssoesortii known that every gentleman in that House was in the farmer's friends propose, and in which they all concur.
fie stkii "eh a measure. He thought the measure should net He had always heard of an old saying, which was " God pre-
ltentloned by that Parliament if sanctioned at all, because serve me from my friends, for I shall preserve myself from my
a'ttNiel be carried by a majority of 112, who had pledged enemies." Such he thought may now be the feelings of the
wkiortes to vote a different way. If it passed that house in. agriculturists.—( Hear bear.) It was said that the present
Litt sew one, the Noble Lord, the member for the city Parliament was incompetent to decide the question, bur he
s, -o,n, considered that it stood more chance of was of opinion that what the Reform Bill did fur the rotten
111111e11:" House of Peers. He denied that this boroughs, the present measure would do for the corn-laws.
• set k was tenable, because, when the Peers looked For six years that question had been forcing itself
iele esti" 'ryes of that House, and found that on the common sense of the House, and it was
. Oetieo° for five years before Lad voted in an exactly opposite now to he considered what was to be done. For his own part,
ire tin to the way they had latterly done, he wished to he had never given a vote on any question in which be so en-
, e the ethit iefluence their opinion would have on the decision tirely concurred. His constituency were satisfied with the
ntiteee er House of Parliament ? Surely a fresh Parliament measure of the Government, and were most anxious to see it
1. eteenaree because the sentiments of the people might not carried, and he had formed his opinion from what he had heard
'4 u• Why was he afraid to app-al to the country ? to that House, and he should say at once that they shouldeake
14'14 th
decision
ion „ e would be an adverse ore, for, m his the meaure of the Government, -which was right per se. His
eetiliee; lite House of Peers would pay more respect to a new Noble Friend near him said he preferred the. Government
esienseut than to the present one. ' Suppose, if after they had measure to any other,and said that he would vote-for it and for
'eaen 'tll the measure of the Right. Honourable Baronet, the rio other; but he did not see why his Noble Friend_ should not
LPN t°' Lords were to the it out, and that there was an Tree for the immertime repeal. He (Mr. Ward) had an ad.
ir%t tithe constituencies afterwards, and if they decieed vantage which few in that House had. ' He did not
0_ who" Measure, what then would Honourable Gentlemen pass the whole week there, for .he . mingled with
Stthe ve
.now supporting the Ministry without consult- men oho had nothing to do with party feeling or
feelings of their constituents ? He thought, however, with party polities ; and who were not interested with regard
thelteference ht be given to the measure propounded to the measure, and who differed with him on the question of
bsettetiovernmento,u4 which hewaseure would never have been in- protection. They were all rejoicing when they heard of the
sit by them hutfor the unnatural coalition which had taken large majority by which the question was decided, for . they
eenekialition which he never recollected without regret. considf'red it would have the effect. of putting_ an end te the
etole.4; I:er, would be perfectly satisfied when the motion was pr,ent uncertainty which. was felt by the country-1, Hear,
~, . tact the
he denied that the Goveremen t had andy right to heat:)—fir theyt fresh
looking forward Weise time
_when they
esettle,,a7
and
dhe
if
feelings of the people were cliangaekenonptlhata„, thereul,dtaetnetderditnstinfertelsyhtabrarentramte
was
ss wtirteth
gtehneierrallanfedelloirndgs.
in the
the elections which had t
e.t/teieeeferred to, it would appear that a contrary country amongst men who did not pass their Saturday's and
as entertained. With respect to the details of the Sunday's at clubs and other places of resort. There were many
,7 bee w
ee would have an opportunity of speaking hereafter, elembera of that House whose opinions had undergone a
Onpapt k:"Id not therefore make 'any further observations change within a very short time, for they sail in resisting the
idetitse regards one part of the measure which was of a most present motion, their reason for opposing it was for fear the
i „stit nature. He did hot think that he entirely under- measure of the Government would be endangered. There
:NCI provisions of that measure, because, at one time, he was a great change now come over them from that which they
n ° told that it would not confer a right to settlement, felt when they said it was better to.have at once the repeal of
ettilfo4,4°ther time he had been informed that it would provide the corn-laws, than to have it hanging over them foe three
Ora
alaim to relief. He trusted that the Government years, but they had-such short memories that they did not re-
eeleesVon the table, in a few days, the proposed.measure in collet!, the statements, which they expressed a few days ago.
l'esteZted form, He would not at present go further into Every man among them (the protectionists) then said, that if
he tan of the general policies of the Government, being the repeal was to take place, it would be better it should he '
ne ...t at the second reading of the Bill he should have a immediate. If they could but consult their understanding—
Nei:it
trivenient opportunity. There were at the present if they could but get rid of those odious party feelings. and look
eq,_ eta "Vo propositions before the House, viz., that which at the question in a plain nnbaissed point of view—
ell melted from the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton, for ( Hear. h..ar)—tlaere was doubt, that such changes as he
en Ho e mediate repeal of the corn-laws, and that of the lied alludeil to would not have so often taken place.
eel tins, ' Baronet, which proposed their abrogation in three If the result should prove that they were right, arid that the
Vl:be teiti 'els own opinion was, that before the quieter.: protectionists were wrong,
.in all their future arrangements
i mately and properly adjusted, it would be necessary .with their tenants their own speeches would be quoted against
4etiel"to • • "f h
ved . the constituencies o. tee country. He had recently them. They would justly say," You told us that we were all
Steno i'sso letters from his own constituents, in which they lestroyed, and that we had not a chance of competing with
e^s%en d their resolution to maintain protection as long as the Pole or Russian, and that English capital and English
Ise and he should feel it his duty to support them in that science would go for nothing in the race, how then can you '
tS it. expect us to enter into competition where the race is decided
e'neets PEEL had understood from his Hon. Friend (Mr. before it is rim?" This would be their language, and it would
:Zlld./...tbat the Hon. Member for Somersetahire had inti. be quite natural. For himself he believed that the terrain -
esti 07 !pinion, that he considered the total and immediate armerse were rejeiced at the decision which had ben arrived
inteo' 'lle corn-laws would be preferable for the interests of at, and wished the question decided in order to
1~!ie teted in agriculture, than a protracted delay of three be able to meet them ( the landlords) on fair and
iienseen"J (Sir R. Peel) had assumed that it was so, en the rational terms.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") If he considered
Ctesei 'en, because he had heard the statement with his that by supporting; the measure of his Honourable Friend he
lOttese 4nd be thought it had been assented to. That state- would risk the measure of the Government, he would vote
eine Oinntiow contradicted. He had made the observation on the against it —(Hear, hear from the protectionists.) Yes, he
,nr,,,,0f the debate—be had repeated it two nights after- considered the measure of the Government as a great boon
. tesi lee the Presence of the Hon.. Member for Somersetshire, conferred upon the country, but at the same time he
.thought
Ceetadettnwed him to speak without any correction what- it would further its own object better by being immediate than
Cs lei tansgsw he heard from his Hon Friend (Mr. Bankes) gradual. -- ( Hear, hear.)
Tsesetlge a complete mistake as to the Hon. Member for Mr. LIDDELL could not possibly receive the opinions of
,tl4‘ sitorsturre's real opinion. the Honourable Member who had just sat down without con-
1i Y.Pti. conversational explanation here ensued betwesn Sir sideiable hesitation, because they were preconceived opinions,
'es 4nd Mr. Bankes, but was carried on in so low a tone. witch the Honourable Member had ever held, and to which he
If Pu
it. r, neePort was not audible in the gallery. was clearly prejudiced. The question for the House to consider
\4'44,,,‘IGHT intended to explain a misconception which eras, whether they were prepared to accept the modified corn:
„Int to Member fur Somersetshire had fallen into with law, or whether they should consent to an immediate repeal.
,11112tfeets'what he (Mr. Bright) had stated about the The lion. Gentleman had quoted from some papers which, he
Nof .age on an estate near Bigswell. The estate con- said, he had received from a most respectable firm of met--
't- .i,1•000 acees, a great portion of which was not culti- chants but were that Hon. Gentleman in the House a few
trolg he valuation was made, and had been made, for years heurs earlier, he would have heard a question put by the Hon.
'ktteleteVPon thy portion which was under grain cultivation. Member for Wolverhampton to the Vice-President of the
ebele Inei , that the sum of 916/. had been paid in the Board of Trade, as to whether wheat had not been thrown
ebelllen, °, Y the Duke of Rutland for damage done by game, into the Thames because of the high rate of duty it had
eteitNteetihation was made on no other part of the estate but placed on i•.— ( Hear, hear. )
11 (tees lett was under grain cultivation, consisting of about Mr. PETER BORTHWICK, having heard many corn-
• h• iie would show his Hen. Friend indisputable proof plaints made as to the length to which the debate hart run,
Ises jecrete„out of doors, if he still felt inclined to doubt it. rose to ask the House, as also her Majesty's Ministers, to
tteeleteeve ARD was of opinion, that the proposed measure whom the country was indebted fur the present protracted
,lettlteet, More capital to be employed, and better wages discus-ion ?—( Hear, hear.) In the month of October, 1845,
s%LielAt:°* cultivation of land, The farmer would fine in they had been told that the country was quiet, the Exchequer
neseaginetteh better protnctiou than any that the Legislature overflowing, trade prosperous, and labour employed ;in fact..
' siOhttte,'"ee He regretted that the Right Hon. Baronet had in no respect in which the country could be regarded did it
:•te4fnev°,lo the advice of the, Noble Lord the elember for the not present a most satisfactory appearance.—( Hear, hear.)
21411Zitton. He (Mr. Howard)thooght that the present was But in that month a certain organ 'of public information
1:.1,e, insTe itinae for the immediate repeal of .the corn-laws eummunicated- the startling intelligence that it was
10 ,7, L'ord had told them last night, that there existed the intention of her Majesty's Government in the
•:-Qtse 'ergs !took of corn in foreign ports. Would it then se end week in January of the present year
to propose an im-
.)0411,.. it three years to give foreiers an opportunity of mediate and total repeal of the corn-laws. ii e begged to ask
\Sitit't,se :4 their snuck's, so as to flood this country at the ex- every Gentleman acquainted with the commerce in the coup.
littl,e,tiq the . period, with their produce. It was try, whether, from that moment, the state of commerce in
eren4t the.ferener should be suddenly called upon to corn- Engleed bad not been utterly paralyzed?--(Hear, hear, end
N %II 4 large influx of foreign corn. The Hight Hbn.
kts,
a laugh.) He further asked, whether Hon. Gentleman 'did
ohetetta asked for the opinion of the country gentlemen on not believe that, if_ her _Majesty's Government, instead of
ret te ' and he for one had given his advice. He should verifying, had falsified that statement, and come d wn. to 'the
Ver JiAronotron for the total and immediate repeal. House with ',time practical measure to meet the, famine pre
itie " HANDIER would support the Government valent in Ireland, whether the commercial condition of the
ise*h;
-: 'totiee 'ea provided protection for three years, rather than country would not be as prosperous in Mares', 18e6, as it was
WentoeutedPr°Posed by the lion. Member for Wolverhampton. in October, 1845? He put the question, and if it could not
4 Lee .- look at the question merely as an abstraction, he be answered by Hon. Gentlemen on the Treasury benches,
let Nenenclined to recommend the entire repeal, but the he would put it to the House, and ask,
.were they—who were
, `i•ltiiht had to consider the general effect of this measure engaged in resisting measures of innovation, of a revolutionary
.R A„ iferent bearings, and it was necessary to this end nature—were they to blame for protracting the discussion?
llizie
elite... lee.eshould provide ag inst every contingency.. The —( Loud cries of " Hear, hear," from the protectionists. )
'IV ." °PPosite had expressed a desire that the settlement They must show him that land in England was more lightly
?sheattlitettelitionshoultl. be definitely accomlished. He could burdened than land in any other country, before he could agree
erPNoble Lord, that were be in office, he (Sir John in the principles of free trade. It was said by the Right Hon
- km would have still retained the same opinions as he now Baronet, that if the ports were opened to relieve the distress of
t(te, to siniuld• have voted in the same way as he now in- the moment, who could again close them? i=s would rather be
1i41,,t, vote „
etre te • ,tee would support the measure of Govern- convinced by the experience of the opening of the, ports of
, --1.- as his humble capacity would go, whether as a the necessity of free trade, than by the three years experi
%hz!..itiZl3Prietor or as a Member of Parliament. once of the Right Hon. Baronet, upon which he came to the
'lli‘Nits F'PATT thought that the debate had token a most resolution of making so great a change as he had done by;the
.steeteteatitrY turn. The heads of the three contending par- present measure. One other word upon the question, why seine
l'lq',tpuil°be agreed on the point, that after all immediate Hon. Members on that side of the House cheered the idea of
i'llltie; - ~" be for the best, but when his Hon. Friend had immediate repeal its preferences to a repeal at the end of three
Sege feet the question •to them. all three seemed to years. If they had had no choice between the one and the
kiNreitt it. The Right Hon. Baronet hid set the example, other, then he certainly would prefer immediate repeal, but
,Nlt, vie: say. that.the Noble .Lord the Member for London, they had a choice. t,he Right Hon. Baronet himself gave
C sentel44 eager to follow in his steps. He (Mr. Moffatt) them three years, and who could calculate the changes that
eeen7'tio'eettations to make. He had always supported the meths arise before thee period had expired ?—(Cheers. ) •
•"ster7 thee."' d'lties, and the repeal of the corn-laws. He would Mr. HUME said he was very much surprised that any Hon.
;4,
ldithe gentlemen opposite to consider how deeply they Member in 'that House should have demared his intention of
%tette eiLler.iteg the whole property of the' couetry by their confining himself to the question before the House,- when to
,tsttn4, Letra'ttion. Let teem look.at the diffetent corn mar- the very last paragraph of his speech he had never once re-
' ee'. :).0..-"em go down to Mark.lane, and see how the un- ferred to the matter before them. His Hon. Friend the Mem-
; ‘neSenTnealiened by the three weeks' debate, had paralysed ber for Durbem hail congratulated the House that protection
eett,t79y lei "'Let there. The country markets were to a was dead and buried, but he had not anticipated that proeec-
tetl4it
.the }'sod condition. Did they consider their tenants eon would have arisen in the person of the lion. Member for
,14 4 sit," lwould endeavour at ense to put an end to the Evesham, like a giant refreshed.—(Laughter.) The Hon.
emene't,eu e!„,agitated the agricultural districts ot the country. Member had produced strollg allegations from the writings of
14tii-` 0:47...a.°1e gentkmaii-concluded by urging on the prone- political economists, but he salt not one of them had referred to
ilpfspAhel the necessity of succumbing to superior numbers, the policy of the Right Hon. Baronet. Hew the deuce could they ?
' t'leir c'eln interests and for the good of the country.
stektle I The Right Hon. Baronet had come forward in these latter
t /or tlg a would prefer having protection for three years, days, very much to his own honour, and very much to his
I ' the Right Hon. Baronet would allow them to (Mr. Hume's) at measures have
ilk-e._
t:nentinth e event of the measure proving injurious, three ing a teedency towards free trade. Protection, which was at
yat- led goadle time for the Government to retrace their best a system of robbery, would never have been passed but for
Ales In,
esagainst the evil. The country had, since the this reason. The House of Commons had been altogether
tieet; iedoe're great improvements in agriculture in some composed of landed proprietors, and until a year ago no en-
', 14 ithe4r. ,it had almost arrived to a state of perfection.— divieual would sit in the House who had not a qualification in
Lease% ie. He considered it therefore very unjust in the land, and therefore it was they passed a measure which en-
" ileis-cerhe
_,:elitievement for the Hon. Member of the League &bled them to take out. of the pockets
.of others for the purpose
w bother it
illeoltsee
to ado
farmers as lazy drones, ignorant, bigoted, an" of putting into their own. The question now was,
lktleii: for. bad°,i't any modern improvement. The Hon. was just to allow one class to levy a tax for their own exclusive
teewe ties Gee pt any
(Mr.- Bright) had stated that if her benefit upon all others? He (Mr. Hume) denied that justice;
ense ne tenaternment would immediately repeal the corn- he contended that the landed interest hed plundered !the
re,atit thet we° of the Anti-Corn-law League should cease ; rest of the community, and the whole object of the Right
O fe the he would net inflict upon the House at a later Hon. Baronet's measure was to remove this injustice, ene
Vtiesth) eTe,'"itin another debate on the corn-laws. Ile to give to all classes an equal degree of justice. If that mea-
llteeiY heneoi ',sitter is e 1,
e- teat tee agitation ef the League was sure were passed, the artisans of England, of France, of Bel.
QIN retitleere It had mat been attended by any tumult. gium, and of Holland, would be placed on the same footing with
tetee ,to tick, eu discussions, to which the public were ad- regard to food, and therefore the English manufactuaer would not
tiLt eieZde ?,,Onle, even at Covent-garden Theatre had suffer as heretofore from the inequality of competition. They
et7.lo7e' saga 4". n° more disturbance than when upon 'alter- had heard in that House of nothing but the landed interests,
sti leen 4 (3tini ighbourtng theatre the public attended to see as if they alone combined every interest in the country. Hon
alp o%i in ver hadrs ~,
re , seen emixote. He was sure that the Members very well knew that they were only a fractional part—
fetentatiroled tete''''‘ no objection to their agitation. and if one- titth or one-sixth of the whole community Let Them
Stteal tee!" had- call a meeting of 5,000 for the purpose of take the Parlienientary return to which an Honourable Mom-
(4 4 ia,,N then° doubt but that the same number might b- ber referred last night. That Honourable Membenetated this
tiet!anhese and egriculturisis, partisans ould make equally as important fact, that the whole population employed in agricul-
, eeettien,er.)
the to
as the of the Iseague.e' tore were only some eight per cent. But they were told this
144 tni epee t'its to his promise that he (Mr. Bright) would was an unfair statement. Let them look at the income-tax.
Ns ol;_4° hnthe e elis"se another eeltate on the corn-laws. he It appeared that the whole income tax of 5.000,000/. had been
tt htlales ef si dens'etember that there were at least' fifty Mern- levied upon 200,000,0000 .of property, but only :32,000,000/. out
*at d bee INT, `,ne Howie who were suffering from ad the of this sum was returned for the whole property of England.
hee't lane 4 said eat et sPeeches.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) t Hear.) And yet it was asked thatevery other class in the coon-
tisee to 1 °reel elletii the course of this debate that the resent try should contribute to this monstirrus system of protection.
t - fie l'etit he I'i/int tict• He denied that it wee so, but if it He had been led away from the question before this House liy
11:4;) el! the instead that they had an equal right with the this incident, but he would now apply himself to it, and that
I,,,t4hes v coal k"otaeturer to press his grievances.—( Hear, question was, how he should vote upon the present occasion.
oh end met uut sms
tti "' 'l4 S obl 1e at the simplicity &the Right Hen. Be loiiked upon the 'measure of the night Hon. Baronet' as
9144.'44 01 ed tic y the Member for the City Itf' it very immetant and comprehensive one, ' and much more to
tietainott weotieihe ceten;,.) consider that the present would be a the per pose than he could have expected or anticipated, and
P west eue,,,i‘le be again n• . He could assure them that the' therefore he would not run the risk of losing it by adopting any
titl ,It peei,?o Was ire °Penes' at the general election. The other course, and therefore he would vote for it now,
Cheers.)a then
sekeeeto penes
.ated. in an entirely erroneous manner. see how much more could be got afterwards.—(
°es :he -711ieed, sePin---it was assumed to he a good ques- Loud GEORGE BENTINCK said that the Honourable
eteeeteretnnunoo.eowever, that it was not so ;he believed Member had called the agricultural Members a selfish
tt.4)the agricultural and manufacture party. and that they were not contenewith a fair share of the
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of the country, there could be little doubt as to the mode in
which the present measure would he dealt with.--s( Hear,
`vies.r. ) He thought friar the landed interest had inc,:e than a
sir share of the publi'e burdens. But with resoect to the
-r,,,ti00 now before the House, he begged to say lei thought
his Honourable Friend had misapprehended what had
been said upon it by the agricultural Members. He. could
assure the Hon. Member that there were many Members on
this side the House who would prefer a total and immediate
repeal of the corn-laws to having that measure hanging over
them for three years.-( Hear, hear.) It was a saying of
Napoleon that the British troops knew not when they were
beaten; and he (Lord G. Bentinck) begged to tell the House
that his party would now stand in the same position, and that
it they were beaten they would retreat and rally their forces-
( Cheers)-and keep the question before the country, and show
,he people the manner in Which some Hon. Members had kept
the pledges they had mnde at the hustings.-( Cheers. ) They
would do this until they would at. length compel her Majes'y's
Government to quit office, and go again before ter
Majesty's people-(Cheers)-and restore things once more
to what they were before.-(Cr:es of " Hear, hear.")
The average price of corn at Dantzic was 255. 4d. per quarter.
He would take all expenses of freight, &c., to the port of Lon.
don to be about 65., and that would give a price of 3ls. 4d., the
price at which corn could be sold here. The price during the
whole period of five years, front 1833 to 1837, averaged 23,. ;
and taking five other years, from 1823 to 1827, the average
price was 275. Id. Other ports fro n which returns had been
given, via., Bradenburg and Pomerania, and at which the
price was 6d. higher than at Dantzic, and yet the corn could be
bought for a very low price in the port of London. He had
other communications, one of which was from a constituent of
the Hon. Member for West Riding. The name of his col rt-
spondent was Mr. Taylor, a gentleman who had been for 40
years engaged in the corn trade. That gentleman said
that he had bought beans in Hamburgh at from 10s.
to lls. per quarter, and wheat from 18s. to '23s. per quarte-.
The gentleman commenced his letter by stating that he had
seen what he (Lord Bentinck) had said on the subject, and in
his opinion it was perfectly correct. The difference of the duty
now payable by law, and the duty proposed to be allowed
would be pocketed by ejse holder of corn and by the importers.
He had another stateni#t
.of prices from another gentleman
aiso forty years in the trade. He said that in 1826, he pur-
chased large quantities, of wheat-in fact to the amount of
several thousand quarters, and though the wheat was as fine as
could be grown, the price varied from 18s. to 21:. The
freight of that wheat to the port of London would be
35.. 6d. per quarter, making a cost of 245. 6d.,
so That it would be clear to the farmers
of England at what price foreign wheat could be brought into
competition with their home produce. The last letter, to
which he should call the attention of the House, was from a
Norfolk farmer, and it related to the price of corn during the
very last year. He stated that he had purchased 807 qrs.
of wheat in June last at 265. 4d., and he had the offer of 3,000
q• s. more at the same price. file expense of freight to the
port of London, including lighterage, cartage, &c., was 6s.
per qr. more ; 6s. and 265. 4d. made 325. 4d., an that was
the price at which, on the Ist of June last, wheat weighing
62Ibs. per bushel was imported into London. If gentlemen
would take the trouble to add the present duty of 17s. to the
cost of corn in Mark lane, they would find that the ins
porters could afford to pay 17s. per quarter duty, and
have clearly 14s. profit.-(" Oh, oh," from the Opposition. )
Was that not a strong proof that the measure going to be in-
troduced by Ministers was injurious ? He had promised not
to detain the House, and he was not going to do so, but he
would advert to the distinction drawn by a fellow-labourer of
his who was engaged with him in a committee on the game-
laws. That Hon. Member thought fit to take a little diversion
in game, and he had heard evidence given as to the extent of
damage done to the Duke of Rutland. One of the principal
witnesses on the question was a Quaker.-(Heat, hear, and
laughter.) That witness carried his aversion to bloodshed
further that, the gentlemenof Reading, who would not give
to the British army the thanks due to their service.
He bad such an aversion of bloodshed, that he was astonished
how the Duke of Rutland could take any delight in the killing
pheasants and partridges.-(Laughter.) He had such pre-
judices on this question relating to the damage done by the
game, that he went the length of stating that the damage in one
',stance on meadow land was at the rate of 30s. per acre.
Now be (Lord G. Bentinck) ascertained that the rent of
the land referred to was only 255. an acre. This argument
respecting the damage of game had been set forth as an argu-
inent in favour of free trade, and it was stated that the
damage done to the farm in question was 9541. in 1833 ; and
951/. in 1844 ; but on this subject he had the testimony of
h.s Noble Friends behind hien the sons of the Duke of Rut-
land, who stated that a new valuer had made an estimate
of the damage at between 200 e to 300/. He (Lord G.
Bentinck) trusted therefore he had answered the observations
on this point. made by the Hon. Member for Durham.
Mr. COBDEN rose and said, that the one part of the speech
of the Noble Lord who had just sat down related to how cheaply
corn could be imported into the country, and the other part had
reference to the opinions of the farmers in relation to immediate
or delayed repeal. He should not refer to the first part of the
speech, further than to repeat what he had said before on this
question, relating to the price of food, a matter of great import-
ance to the people of this country. The
.Noble Lord has said
that grain could be supplied at 31s. 2d. per quarter; that is that
wheat of good quality could be had in large quantities at this
price.-( Hear, hear. )-Indeed, but that was nothing to what the
Hon. Member ior Sunderland had stated, for he said that lie
could supply wheat from foreign countries at 255. per quarter.
--. Hear, hea .) If that were sit, be ( Mr. Cobden) was sure
tnere was not a navigator in the country that would not buy
from that Hon. Member.- (Laughter and cheers.) Now, the
question before the House was a very narrow one,
and he would not deviate from the strict lire)
of the question -it was, whether it was better
'hat the revel of the corn-laws should be immediate, or be
abolished three years hence. This was the question to be con-
sidered. tie must say that the motion of the Hon. Member
for Wolverhampton (air. Villiers) was unfortunately brought
forward at the present moment, but that Hon. Gentleman had
Ito other course left him. The forms of the House left him no
other alternative, he must either bring forward his motion in
that manner or not at all.-( Hear, hear. ) But his Hon.
Friend had not considered the temper of the House in bringing
forward his motion, when he heard Hon. Members below the
,angway state that they would pre:er an immediate settlement
of the question to the proposition of the Right Hon. Baronet.
-( Hear, hear.) Nor had he (Mr. Cobden) heard any argu-
ments advanced against t he immediate repeal, either from states
men, politicians, or farmers' friends ; but on the contrary he
heard the Hon. Member for Sumersetshire, (Mr. Miles)
make the distinct assertion, in the name of the argricultural
party, in which he was cheered by the gentlemen behind him,
that of the two propositions he would prefer the immediate re-
peal. He said, if the question of delayed repeal or immediate
repeal was proposed to the farmers, that they would declare for
the repeal being immediate-( Hear, hear.) The Duke of
Richmond said the same in another place Not tone man said
it would be better to delay the settlement of the question. And
he (Mr. Cobden) defied any gentleman on the opposite side of
he house to say that the' farmers would prefer the delay to an
immediate refusal.-(Hear, hear.) They, j(the protec-
tionists) at their meetings, had made a parade of
tend agents, representing them as farmers, and
getting them to make speeches on behalf of protection.
(Cries of " No no")-he said yes, for he knew that at. all
those meetings land agents and auctioneers were brought fOre-
ward to speak on behalf of the farming interest. He admitted
that they might be holders of land, but from their professions,
they had an interest in the delay and uncertinty that arose from
the present system. He challenged any Hon. Gentleman to
say that the farmers preferred a delay of three years to' an
immediate repeal. A reference had been made to the decision
that was likely to :trite from a division in another place, con-
trary to the conclusion at which that House was likely to .ar-
rive. He could say that in his opinion, a great difference had
been made and that a great mistake had occurred in the mak-
hig of the motion. Had he been consulted upon the matter,
he should have said the motion itself was unwise,
anti that it would have been- better to have ;left
,he matter 'in the hands ef the Government, . for
he would not hesitate to say that the opinion which had
been expressed respecting the 15th clause was altogether a
mistaken one, and that if the conclusion at n hich the Hon.
Member had arrived was correct, the public opinion seas a
nullity, and that the exertions of Hon. Members were altogether
set aside. He wished the minds of lion. Members should be.
disabused of the opinion that public feeling was justified on
this point. The sympathy of the people was not destroyed, and
he begged to give this warning to the Members of the Govern.
ment, in order to show them that they had another difficulty to
contend with which they had not possibly ' contemplated.-
( Cheers.) He would take example by the Right Hon. Baronet,
and assert that it would be necessary to evince their opinions
ey their votes, and he would assure Hon. Gentlemen that the
Anti-Corn-law League would not gainsay any one of their posi-
tions. He would say there what he had often said elsewhere,
that the interest on this question was not in the slightest de-
gree diminished. They were ready to take 17s. 6d., with:the
full expectation that they would obtain the other halfecrown by
an appeal to the House. He would say this, that there had been
a grievous misrepresentation of the line of conduct which he
had pursued, and he thought that a better course might have
been pursued before the House. The main principle appeared
to be, that in the question before the House, it was impossible
to allay the agitation that had been excited throughout the coun-
try. He believed that the endeavour which had lately been made
to support the corn-laws had been based upon' the supposition
that the corn-laws would cease in two-and-a-half to three
years. But he thought they were mistaken on this point, 'and
had treated the Hon. Member for Durham (Mr Bright) with
no little discourtesy, and had treated his suggestions with con-
tempt.-( Cheers.) An endeavour bad been made to alter
the course which bad been devised, but he thought the pro-
ceeding of his Hon. Friend highly injudicious, and he trusted
therefore the House would take into serious consideration the
circumstances which be had laid before there, and that they
would adopt such measures as would be advantageous to them-
selves and to the country. If they were to appeal to the country,
they would find that the people were eagerly anxious to pass
the measure, although they were quite ready to forego
any claims that might arise from the passing of it.
Well, now, he saw very great danger to the measure of the
Right Hon. Baronet in that step--(Hear, hear)-because the
Right Hon. Baronet had very properly stated, that we should
go on from day to day with the question until it was disposed
cf.-(Hear, hear.) But he could apprehend the chance of
some little delay in another place. He could foresee the
chance of the Government being out of office before this
measure passed through the other House.-(Protectionist
cheers.) He did not know whether the tenure of office of
the present Ministers was worth six weeks or two months'
purchase.-( Loud laughter and cheers from the protectieniets.)
But he did not see very great wisdom- (Opposition cheers)--
or any great policy in the course by which' they proposed to
turn out the Government of the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman.-(Continued cheering.) But that was their
(the protectionists') business.-( Cheers. ) His business there
was to keep this question complesely out of their powsr, and
completely out of the reach of their touch.-(Hear, hear. )
Now he would say . that this question with the country was
safe.-(Cheers.) Why, they were united 'on the principle of
total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws, and the e was no
power on earth that could prevent the carrying out of the
abolition of the corn-laws.-(Cheers.) And it war, therefore,
because he foresaw dangers-because he foresaw the course of
vexatious policy towards the present Ministers-a policy which
he would not bind himselt to follow-(Cheers)-because he
saw in those insidious amendments and proposals, as well as the
amendments that were spoken of in another place. dangers
arid pit-calls to this measure. It was therefore, and
therefore alone, that he was anxious that they should
preserve themselves intact with the country-( Hear, hear )-
and Hon. Members on his side of the House would not oppose
the measures of the Right Hon. Baronet if they were even ten
times stronger than they were.-(Cheers.) Now, after the
division on this question, I will give as cordial a support to the
measure of the Government, as any gentleman in tins House.-
( Hear, hear.) And now I ask Hon. Gentlemen opposite-
those who have taken an enlightened view of the necessities of
the country, and have agreed-some, I have no doubt, in op
position to their own feelings- ( Hear, hear)-to give their
support to the measure of the Government, when they see that
in the free trade party there is no disposition to oppose, but every
1 disposition to aid them. I hope that we shall unite here cordially
and if there is a dissolution, I hope that when we go to the
ceutitry, if there must be a dissolution, that we shall go united
-( Hear, hear)-and that they would see that their motion for
immediate repeal, instead of having at all tended to diminiSh
the acrimony and the intensity of Hon. Gentlemen opposite, it
would be rather increased. He hoped that if a dissolution
. must come, Hon. gentlemen who had come forward in sup-
port of the measure of the Goveroment, , would then go to-,
g-ther as a united body.-( Cheers.) And he sincerely hoped
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Iparties would be thrown aside until this question was fairly
disposed of in the country. Now, he did not intent!" to
go hies an argument, and show why the farmers would be-
benefited by having on immediate repeal, llis enieiens were
before the country. He thought that those (spinier': lied been
pretty well read and canvassed, and he did not intend to repeat
what he had already said to them. He sincerely hoped, after
this question had been merely divided on, that they would see
that this measure was inevitable. He also hoped that' in
another place they would see that this measure seas inevitable.
He did nut despair, notwithstanding all this irritation and
excitement, when they found that the farmers 'would prefer
immediate and total repeal-. ( Hear, hear)—arid that this
measure was disposed of by that House. He did net
despair that befit, e the end sf this session the princiele of an
immediate repeal of the corn-laws would be established by Act
of Parliament.—(e beers.) And he did think if Hon. Gen-
tlemen would for a moment reflect upon what they were going
to enceunter in the promoting, and compelling, and coun-
tenancing this agitation—if they would but candidly and cooly
consider what their position was in undertaking this conflict,
why, he, as one of the members of the League, should really
be almost ashamed to enter the field of battle under such lead-
ers.—(Cheers.) They were broken up, and dispersed, and
without leaders—in fact, he really believed that the ghost of
the League would be more powerful-than the flesh and blood of
the members of that party. —(Loud lan thter. ) But he hoped
that gentlemen would take a cooler view of the case ; and he
did hope in another place, where there was 5) much hope that
all the areumeres that they had used, would be very well ap-
ace' by Noble Lords who belonged to the agricultural interest.
He hoped that the Lords would take his advice.—(Laughter
from the protectionists.) Yes- (Opposition cheers)-,he
would undertake to say, if they would, in their place, instead
of taking their (the protectionists') advice, which, if it were
Parliamentary, he should almost say was insane—(Laughter)
.they would take his, and, instead ot throWing out :he measure
if they would graciously say, " the country seems to. prefer
repeal, and the farmers seem to prefer immediate repeal—
( Hear, he ) Arid we will not only pass this measure, but
we will make the measure our own."—(Cheers.) Then
would the House of Lords be restored to its pristine respect and
authority—(Laughter from the protectionists)—and, as an in-
dividual, he at once said, we might thank Heaven that there
was still a House of Lords.---(Loud cheers.)
Lord Master, Sir Twoetes ACLAND, and several other
Members, rose together, at the conclusion of the Hon. Mem-
ber's speech, to address the House, but there being loud cries
fur Sir Thomas Arland,
Sir THOMAS DYKE ACLAND accordingly pro-
ceeded to address the House, in opposition to the
amendment, and in favour of the Ministerial measure.
He thought that the Anti-Corn-law League having so nearly
attained the object for which they had been striving should not
slow endanger the safety of the present measure iu order to
sst-tsfy their consciences, or because they might appear consis-
tent, having always agitated for a total and immediate repeal
of the corn-laws. He preferred the proposal of her Majesty's
Government to an immediate repeal, because he
thought that the immediate abolition of ,those laws
would be like going down a steep incline instead
of a moderate descent. He considered that when
the proposed measure was once passed it would be as difficult
to repeal it again as it would be to turn the course of a mighty
stream back to its fountain.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) It
might be true that the Right Hon. Baronet was conferring a
great advantage en the country, and they could not say that
his measures would be attended with very great success ; and
if so, he for one thought that the Right. Hon. Baronet would
have the benefit of such success, but if it should turn out
otherwise, as he very much feared it would, why, then the re-
sponsibility should rest with him, and, for his part, he would
not be answerable for any portion of it.—(Cheers. )
Mr. THOMAS DUNCOM BE rose and said that he
would give an unqualified and consistent support
to the measure proposed by her Majesty's Ministers, and his
vote should be a practical, and not a popular one; and in op-
posing his Hon. Friend the Member for Wolverhampton, it
was more his duty than his pleasure tocio so. Wishing to sea
the corn-laws repealed, he felt called on to give his vote in
favour of the Government measure ; for they had required of
the Government to stand by thee plans; and if he now de-
serted them they would have a right to say that you left us on
the three years' question for that of an immediateand total repeal
of the corn-laws, and we now in return will not stand by you with
regard to the settlement you propose, respecting the inanufac-
ing distriets. Under those circumstances, he said, he felt it
his duty to vote with the Right Hon. Baronet, and in doing
so he begged to state that long betore the Anti-Corn-law
League was in existence he voted far a repeal of those laws.
He locked on his vote as a practical one, and did not give it
with a party view. Many of the Members who had expressed a
wish ter an immediate repeal, bed now changed their minds and
said they were not prepared for an instant alteration of the
kind; for now, when they were pat to the test, they would go
out into the lobby with the Right Hon. Baronet, and he
very much questioned whether the Right Hon. Gentleman
was perfectly safe in such company.—(Cheers and laughter).
He considered tha: the motion of the Hon. Member for Wol-
verhampton was brought forward from a conscientious mo-
tive, as he had pledged himself to the Anti-Corn-law League
to bring forward the question far a total repeal ; and although
his vote may be considered by the League as unpopular, yet
he should give it in favour of the Government measure.
The Earl of MARCH then rose and said that it had been
remarked by the Hon. Gentleman opposite that. the Govern-
ment were nit safe in going into the lobby with his (the Earl
March's) friends, but he confessed he was at a loss to know
where they would be perfectly safe.—( Cheers and laughter. )
The Bon. Gentleman tells them that the Right Hon. Baronet
was not safe at his side of the House, and he thought a circum-
stance had taken .place which would make the Right Hon.
Baronet the S. cretary for thb Home Department not par-
ticularly safe on that question.—( Great cheers and laughter.)
But be (the Earl ot March) thought that the Governm, nt
might go out into the lobby of the House without meeting
with any particular inconvenience.—( Laughter. ) He would
not trouble the House with any further observations, but for
a remark which had fallenfrem the Hon. Member for Stockport.
He states that a noble relative of his had expressed a wish
to vo'e for an immediate repeal of the corn-laws, e Lich state-
ment he begged leave distinctly to contradict. His noble rela-
tive stated, Veit supposing it was inevitable that the, measure
of her Majesty's Gevernment were to be carried, and perma-
nently adopted, his Noble Friend said that he woult prefer the
total and immediate repeal to the repeal in these years time.—
( Loud cheers from the free-traders ) That was what his noble
relative stated, that the total and immediate repeal would be
better than the repeal in three years, supposing the measure
were to pass permanently into a law—( Cheers ) He should
maintain that it was incumbent on the Government of the
eountry, and the ministry, brought ferward as they were by a
majority of 91 in favour of protection of industry; that before
they brought forward such a measure as the present, they
should in common justice and honesty appeal to the people of
the country—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. HUDSON said that reference having been made to
him, he would trouble the House for only a very few moments.
The Hon. Member for Stockport had stratigely misrepresented
what had fallen from him (Mr. Hudson) on a former averring.
On that occasion he stated most distinctly that in his belief
the probable average of the price of wheat would be from 35'.
to 40s. per quarter. The Hon. Member had threatened them
with the ghost of the Anti-Corn-law League. Now he had
the honour of meeting the Anti-Corn-law League in Sunder-
land, arid he believed he had routed them there.—( Protectionist
cheers.) He then wished to warn that body that there was
nothing which the people felt more jealous of than the pro-
ceedings of that body, acting as it was in the endeavour to
manufacture voters, and practising intimidation and deception.
He felt it his duty to state that when the question came to the
vote, he would be with the Right Hon. Baronet. He did not
know where the Hon. lklember for Stockport spent his Sun-
days, whether with market gardeners or others, gleaning his
information, but he (Mr. Hudson) had formed his views from
the experience of men well acquainted with the subject. Now
he thought the three years would give the farmers time to sow
their land, and make such improvements as Would enable them
to meet the competition of the continental produce. Indeed
he hoped the Right Hon. Baronet's measure would be successful.
He also hoped that if carried, the farmers, who were proved to
be injured by the change, will have some compensation. For
this reason he would give his support to the measure for'the
three years.
Lord WORSLEY rose, but- from the noise which prevailed
in the House he was limperfectly heard ; be was understood to
say that the farmers were most anxious that a settlement
should take place upon the question, and that an immediate
repeal should take place.
Colonel SIFITHORP and Mr. VILLIERS rose together,
but the latter gave way at the call of the House. The Hon.
Gentleman said that he would not presume to trespass on:the
time of the Ileu-e, having. occupied so large a portion of it
on a previous evening, were it not that he had one or two obser-
vations to offer, and he thought that the Hon. Member opposite
was about replying, previous to a division.—( Hear, hear.) He
wished to take this opportunity to deny emphatically that the
tenant-farmers were in favour of immediate repeal. He con-
sidered that they ought to restore the franchise to Sudbury, in
order that the two rejected Members of the Government might
have seats in that House—( Roars of laughter )=or, in the event
of their rejecting his proposition, they might adopt the practice
which existed in France, of electing certain Members of
the Government without any appeal to the constituent
body.—( Hear, hear.) At any rate he could only say that Sud-
bury or the French system seemed to him to be the only refuge
' for the destitute.—( Laughter.) However, he considered that
their constituents hart acted properly in rejecting them, 'be-
cause, like the Ministers, they had acted fraudulently' to their
constituents.
Mr. WALLEY and Mr. NEWDEGATE rose together
amidst Loud cries of " Withdraw," and ." Divide," but the
latter gave way to the Hon. Member for Finsbury, who pro-
ceeded to say that, he regretted exceedingly to find that
the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton, intended to persist in
dividing the House on his motion.—( Hear, hear.) However,
much he might approve of his intention, and however lightly
he aright commend his motives, he could not conceive that a
more inexpedient course than this could be pursued by any
Member who was friendly to the prepositions of the
Honoutable Gentleman. He believed, however, that the
Hon. Member persisted in his intentions in conformity with
a pledge which he had given elsewhere, and consequently that
lie did not feel at liberty to abandon the course which he had
hitherto pursued. He deemed this, however, most inexpedient,
because out of doors it must cause an impression that those
who were favourable to the measure of the Government, had a
divided opinion on this great question, but in reality there was
no division, and he knew, that after a. short deliberation those
who would now vote with the Hon. Member would be, iithey
were not now, determined advocates of the measure proposed
by her Majesty's Government.—( Hear.) Hon. Gentlemen
might consider tkat a contrary opinion was entertained, but he
knew from the attention which he had given to the subject that
they were wrong, and that the people were dissatisfied with them.
The Noble Lord had claimed the election of Westminster as a
proof of public opinion on this subject. Why there were two
candidates for Westminster, one of Ahem had been long in
favour of the repeal of the corn-laws, the other had but lately
Laughter.) Did they
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adopted
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transitory opinion? or did they elect the one who had for years
advocated the principle of a total abolition of the corn-laws ?
They elected the latter—why then claim this election. The
Whigs had no right to claim it as decisive in favour of their views,
for only two years since Westminster had three candidates.
The Hon. and Gallant Member who had been lately chosen,
was one of the three, and the Whig, Tory,
or Radical might be
said to be represented in one or other of the candidates. The
electors chose the Radical then, and Hon. Gentlemen might be
very sure that Radicalism was in the ascendant since. He re-
gretted that this motion had been brought forward chiefly
because it might lead those out of doors to suppose that there
was a division on the subject of this great measure. He could
state from his intercourse with the middle and the working
classes that the impression was almost universally abroad that
the Right Hon. Baronet had done all he could do on this sub-
ject. Everybody was full of this exclamation, and they added
that when they reflected on the position, in which the Right
Hon. Baronet was placed, they were of opinion that he could
not do more than he had already done, and that they owed him
a debt of gratitude for it. An, Hon. Gentleman opposite said
they must go to the country. Another Hon. Gentleman said
they must go to the people. But they know very well that
they would not'go to the people. If they really wished to know
what was the opinion of the people, let them look to the
elections—let them look to the show of hands.—(Laughter from
the protectionist party.) They spoke of going to the people,
why, the people had hands as well as they. Instead of going
to the people, they went to those who had the selling of
-the food at their command, but they would not appeal to
,the. poor . ignerant classese when:-were, obliged to-create-
that food. What could be more unjust than this?
If the House was desirous of deferring this discussion to

ASSIZE IN TEL LIGENCE.

WESTERN CIR CU 1 T.--Winchester, March 2.

another night he would have no objection, though he was most
unwilling that it should be put forward any longer, because up
this time ail the arguments at the ether side had substan-,.3
proved the of this. at this side.—(Hear, hear. )
Mr. NEWDEGATE said that the Hon. Member for Lin-
coln had given his opinion that the tenant-farmers of this coun-
try were In favour of total repeal. He had had the pleasure of
meeting many intelligent farmers W ithin an hour before he .
entered that House. He admitted that many of them felt bitter
disappointment at the sudden and unaccountable change which
they witnessed in the feeling of those whom they trusted, and
that under the Influence of such feelings,• such an expression
might have escaped them ; but he denied that the opinions of
the tenant-farmers in this country were in favour of total and
immediate repeal, as more beneficial to their interests. With.
reference to what had • been said by the Hon. Member
for Finsbury, he would confirm what that Tlon.
Member had said, that there was a democratic and radical
feeling arising in this country.—(,Gear, hear.) -
Mr. VILLIERS said that the Hon. Member for Warwick-
shire had denied what had been positively asserted on that side
of the House, and told them what hid passed between himself`
and his tenants —( Mr. Newdegate, " Oh. no.") He would
prove that the principle of protection had nothing to do with the
interests of the tenant farmer, and they did not at all trouble
themselves about it. The Hon. Member for Finsbury could ,
certainly not teach him what protection was, for he
had advised the House to take the sense of the country by a
show of hands, as did also the Hon. Member for Aberdeen.
On the policy of bringing forward this motion at the present
time he must exercise his own judgment. Ever since he had
been in the practice of submitting this proposition to Parlia-
ment, he had been told he was in the wrong in the course he
took, but judging of the events of the present session, it
would seem as if he had taken the right course. He
would say nothing against Honourable Members on this
side of the House supporting the measure of the Govern-
scent in preference to the amendment, and he did not think
that the Hon. Member for Finsbury would loose any popu-
larity by the course he intimated he should take. There was
no popularity to be gained whichever side he might vote on,
as far as the two propositions before the House was concerned.
He was astonished at the Hon. Member for Lynn saying he
would not support the amendment, as he had told them (the
free traders), they dare not bring it forward against the
Government measure, lest they (the protectionists) should
support it. Now, it seemed the delay was considered valuable,
as it would enable them to have an election before free trade
could come into operation, and that they might succeed in
defeating it. They need not calculate on that, as it was in
vain for them to expect the restoration of the present system
of protection if once the Government measure was carried
The farmers were indifferent to it, as a proof of which, he
would refer to the fact, that on Saturday last, when the account
of the division was sent to the country, the farmers in various
places where the news was carried did not seem to care a
straw about it. The Hon. Member, having referred to some
other points, referred to by previous speakers, coeclnded by
pressing his amendment on the Home.
The gallery was then cleared for a division.
On our re-admission into the gallery there appeared—
For the Amendment 7B
Against y

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THE COAL-WHIPPERS' ACT.
On the motion of Sir GEORGE CLERK, leave was ob-
tained to introduce the Bill to continue and amend the Coal-
whippers' Act.
Captain LAYARD asked if the Government was prepared
to lay upon the table of the House any returns of the number
of suicides committed to the end of the year 1845?
Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT said that as there was no dis-
tinct register of them there would be some difficulty in obtain-
ing the returns alluded to.

The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at half-past One o'clock.

The Judges going this circuit, Mr. Baron Rolfe and Mr. Justice
Erie, arrived here on Saturday last. They were met by the High
Sheriff, John Beardmore, Esq., and his train, at about two o'clock,
and immediately proceeded to open the commission with the usual
formalities.

igYesterJay (Sunday) both the Learned Judges attended Divine ser.
vice at the Cathed.•ai.

The business of the assizes commenced this day. . The cause list
contains an entry of fourteen causes, of which two are marked for
special juries. Mr. Baron Rolfe, who presides in the' Civil Court,
disposed of eight of the common juries this morning, of which
several were undefended. The special juries are fixed for Wed-
nesday. _ . _

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• The calendar is very heavy, containing the names of ninety-five
prisoners. The crimes with which they are charged are also in many
instances of a very serious character, there being two charged with
murder, one with manslaughter, one with attempt to murder by
poison, four with unnatural offences, three with rape, twelve with
burglaries, and a like number for highway robberies. It is a circum-
stance deserving of the greatest attention that in this long cata-
logue of crime, out of the whole ninety-five prisoners only one is pos-
se,sed of superior education, fitly-two can read and write imper-
fectly, while thirty-two con neither read nor write at all, so that it
would seem that more than the usual amount of ignorance to be
found in rural districts exists amongst the poorer inhabitants of this
county.

There is a report prevalent in the town that Lieutenant Hawkey,
who, eur readers may remember, was one of the principals hi the un-
happy duel which took place some months since, near Southampton,
the result of which was the death of Captain Seton, will surrender
to lake his trial at the present assizes ; but we believe the fact to be
that Lieutenant Pym, who was Mr. Hawkey's second at the duel,
will surrender and be tried, bnt that Mr. Hawkey will not do so at
present. We understand that Mr. Cockburn and Mr. Sergeant King-
lake are retained for the defence We need scarcely say that the
above report has caused considerable excitement, as the parties are
so well known in the neighbourhood. Nothing of importance has
taken place in the Crown Court to-day. 7.

OXFORD ClRCUlT—Reading. March 2.
CROWN COURT.—(Before Mr. Baron PLATT.)
Charles Ford, aged 27, was indicted for having, on the night of
the 20th of December last, unlawfully entered some land, the pro-
perty of the Earl of Falmouth, armed, and in pursuit of game, and
fur assaulting William Wood, one of Lord FulmeutlfF gamekeepers.
Wood and two other gamekeepers went out on the night in linea-
tion to a opla-e crated' Bannister's coppice, and at about 25 minutes
to one In the morning they heard the report of a gun in the direc-
tion of Chaplin's coppice, between which and the spot they then.
were watching in runs the River Kennet. They immediately went
towards the coppice whence the sound proceeded,' and befoie reaching
it heard two more reports, and actually saw the stock of the gun in
the last instance. Ou going farther they perceived three men under
a tree. Wood, who was the foremost of the three, tried to take
them, and, although two got off, he laid hold of the smock-frock of
the third, which tore in his hand, and this man also made his escape.
A close pursuit was the consequence, and on Wood coming up
with the poacher he fotind him fighting with Saunders, one of the
other gamekeepers. A scuffle ensued, and Wood was thrown down,
and his assailant also fell ; a man whom the poacher called " Bob "

joined in the tray. and Wood was severely beate❑ with a short gun.
Wood identified the prisoner as the party wh, was fighting with
k;auuders, and by whom he himself had been struck. Another cir-
cumstance corroborating this evidence was, that in the scuffle the

man had lost I;ia hat ; a hat was afterwards fOund nuar the spot in
which the prisoner's name was written, and which was clearly
proved to have belonged to him, .

Mr. pros, with whom was Mr. Somerset, pros,ccuted ; and Mr. J.
J. Will defended the prisoner.
The Learned JUDGE having summed up, the jury found, after a
short deliberation, the prisoner Guilty
Mr. Baron PLATT passed sentence of transportation for ten years.
No other case of interest came on in this Court to-day. Edward
Spicer, accused of having murdered his wife, will be tried at the
opening of the Court on Wednesday next.
In the Nisi Prins Court the Lord Chief Baron was occupied the
greater part of the day in trying an action of trespass, in which the
defendant was alleged to have erected a pig-stye on land not his oivn.
It possessed nothing of interest.

CJRTHERN CIRCUIT, Newcastle-upon •Tyne,
Feb. 27.
(Before Mr. Justice ComtroGx.)
MURDER.
Ralph Joicey, .a young man of 24 years of age, was indicted
for the wilful murder of his father, Robert Joicey, by admi-
nistering to him a quantity of arsenic.
Mr. Otter, Mr. Grey, and Mr. Selby conducted the prose-
cution ; the prisoner was defended by Mr. Matthews.
Mr. OTT= addressed the jury, and stated the fasts if the
case, as subsequently detailed by the witnesses.
Isabella Joieey examined by Mr. Orrsa—l am the
widow of the late Robert Joicey, who was sixty-seven
years old at the time of his death. Came to Cockle Park
in Max, 1845. My husband was bad with pains in his
arms fast summer, . In October he and I were attended
by Dr. Hadley, of Felton. We have had medicine
left for us at the Portland Arms. At the latter end of Nov.
my husband went to Felton, and brought a box of pills and
some powders home with him, which he took. I remember
getting a parcel from: Isabella Brown on Monday, the Ist of
December, between nine and ten in the morning. I took it
into the house, and laid it upon the table, while my husband
was shaving. He opened the parcel, and read one direction,
which was in the inside. There were two powders, the large
one of a slate colour, and a smaller one of a snuff colour.. -I

do not know what was done with the outer paper of the
parcel, as I never saw it after the powders were taken out. I
cannot read. I saw my daughter give to Dr. Hedley the
paper which was contained in the parcel. I cannot say
whether the paper produced is like the one found in the
parcel. On the same day my husband went out and returned
with some gin to mix the powder with. When he went to bed,
at nine o'clock, I gut the medicine from the shelf, and
laid it beside him with the gin, and a teaspoon and a cup. ,He
mixed it himself and drank it. He took the larger powder,
which was the slate coloured one. He had got his supper,
stud went to bed after taking the medicine. When I wen* to
bed shortly after, be was sleeping. I fell asleep, and was awoke
by him, as he was making a work, and said he was sick.: 1
got up, and before 1 could get out of the bed he began to
vomit, and vomited a good deal. There was once a little
blood in his vomit. He continued by turns vomiting all
night, till.about four o'clock in the morning, when it abated.
During the night he was also purged, and complained about
being sick. I gave him water to drink when he desired it, and
tea and coffee, and' anything he wished for. He took a
deal of cold water. In the morning I said that, as he bad been
so poorly after taking the powder, I would 'burn the
other. He said I might, if I had a mind, and .1
put it in the fire. The next day he was sick by turns, and
complained of a pain at his breast. He drank little water
that day. He got some powders from Dr. Hedley on the
same day, my ton bringing them in the afternoon, according
to my directions. He got a dozen powders. I told my sou
to tell Dr. Hedley that my husband had had such a night
of throwing after taking the large powder. My husband
died on Monday evening, the Bth of December. During
that interval he did not throw, so that what he ate be kept
in his stomach. He took the powders every four hours,
according, to Dr. Hedley's directions. I remember Dr.
Hedley coming over on Sunday evening, the ith December,
having been fetched by my son, at the desire of Mr.
Dickinson. The doctor saw the old man, but I did not hear
what was said. On Saturday, the 13th of December, Mr.
Weallens came to our cottage, when mrson and daughter
were in. I cannot. say whether my son (the prisoner)
made a statement to Mr. Weallens, nor can I say who sent
for him.
Sarah Thompson, a neighbour of the Joicey's who saw the
deceased frequently between the time of his taking the
powder and his death, described his symptoms. He said the
skin was off the inside of his throat. He could not rest, but
rolled about the bed and kept asking for drink. He said, he
thought his entrails were out. At the latter end of last
Aagust—just after the " kirn supper"—the prisoner came
into oar house, and said to my husband, "he wished to God
his father was gone from the place a corpse—he would not
shed a tear." The prisoner used often to say that his father
was such an out-of-the-way man.
Walter Weallens, farm-steward at Cockle-park, said—On
the lbth I was in Joicey's house, having been told that Mar-
garet wanted me. When I went in, Margaret, her mother,
and the prisoner were there. Margaret setme a chair, and I
asked her what was her will. She made no answer, and
Ralph, the prisoner, then said he had sent for me to confess. I
asked, "confess what?" he said "I did the deed;" and I
replied, " what deed ?" He said, " I poisoned my father."
I said I was sorry to hear that, and he said that no person
' was guilty but himself: Every other person, he added, was.
clear.: I then asked what was his motive for doing so, and
Le said he was so agitated by the old man almost pushing
him into the,fire one night, that he made up his mind ti:* go
.16 Morpeth to procure some stuff. I then asked what he got,
and he said arsenic; and jalap. I think he said it was on gor-
peth horse-fair night. He also stated that he went straight
through the fields, as fast as he could go, to the Portland
Arms and gave it in, and then came round by Tritlington,
and called at James Ord's on his way home. He said it
wanted' twenty minutes to eight when he got home. •He
further Said that when he saw the old man suffering so much
he would willingly have shared his Sufferings, but it was:too
late—. He tßld me that a ,part of- the • stuff -was in a• -thorn
hush on the west side of the road near the Helm-on-the-Hill
turn. He said he got it from Mr. Creighton, of Morpeth.