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!clatter. This was a large. measure, and it required
much consideration before it was decided upon ; but this
much he might say, that there was every disposition to
alent the wishes of the inhabitants of Windsor.

DISTRESS IN IRELAND.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said—Sir, in rising to move
the order of the day for the committal of the Public
Works (Ireland) Bill, I must °bier ve that there is an-
other measure before the House which has excited con-
siderable attention, and on vshich the Honourable Gen-
mail near me has introduced a motion. It may be
eonvenient to the House that 1 should state the in-
leetions of her Majesty's Government on that Bill.
whe Dill I allude to is the Arms (Ireland) Bill,
]3 ill
stands the second on the list. That
ill was introduced by my Right Hon. Friend near me
(.the Secrete:lT for Ireland), on a ground, which her Ma-
-I.l4tY's Ministers agreed—that having very lately come
41tb office, it has given them many subjects which press
'Von their attention, and therefore it was desirable
1.0 obtain the renewal of the Bill until next spring,
la order that her Majesty's Government might con-
tshida ee all its provisions, and eve whether any of
640 se
Provisions were necessar ; hether e sstem
'ald altogether ab andoned,y orw whetherth anyy other
Provisions should be ineioduced into the Bill. It ap-
Veers to me that that was a reasonable proposition to
„ make, considering that the systi in imposed a restriction
"Pon the possession of arms in In land—at least
Only for the fifty years to which I referred the
"tuee chi —and which, has been in operation
P.:it:nest ever since the revolution in Ireland. But, Sir,
When this proposition was made tee the House, it appeared
to many gentlemen that no suet, Bill ought to be received
lalt
withoutir going into the vareous provisions, and eonsi-
deringwhether or not they ought to be received.
fey Honourable Friends of mine, I find, were of
mat opinion, and slated to the House, on the
discussion on that Bill, that they were willing
to consider those previsions which seemed, when the
Bill was last under discus:ion, to be most objectionable,
and td withdraw. those provisions from the Bill which
ought not to he continued. But, Sir, on examining the
Provisions (si the Bill, I find that when we have taken
out the elaUse which relates to "branding," and have taken
Out the clause which relates to the police going into houses
to search for arms, other; wants unavoidably occur as
to other provisions of the Bill, and it is impossible to
and certain provisions of the Bill and object to them
.4 not to be obliged to consider other provisions on
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their of
or cut them out altogether. Now, Sir, we
tethaiceil nut to continue it on the ground that the Bill should
VeriOUSpraS ai: b°l; Without looking into any more of its
on obserei" But on looking further into it, and
Pert of theng the registration clause, we find that it is
it was teersure ; one of the strongest provisions of
not eleereucee to make it effectual, and which is now,
unneeecleelve tyrannical or coercive, but inutile
the
ex, 1.11.7 c,
riaens ofn interruption to the peace of
euntry.
" Hear, hear.) On consulting my
ilolieeedF:egni: the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, who is as
acquainted as any man with the usual course of
Ireland, and the various wants of Ireland,
penZes 9f opinion that it was far better to dis-
It with the Bill altogether than to continue
lee4B a principle with any modification.—(Cheers.)
re,,e said that he was perfectly ready to undertake the
Ternment of Ireland without a continuance of this
bleasus
„ 'e.—(Cheers.) Now, Sir, such being the case, I
of e,,,Qt say that I feel no apprehension as to the result
Juspensing with this system of legislation,
loe u -has lasted so long, without taking - a
eo„ges,e time to consider, or without especial
voerslueration whether this clause relating to the im-
lotaeetioe of arms in Ireland had not better been coa-
eeti:" or amended at least, as part of our legislation
stands respect to Ireland ; but, as the matter
ue at present, we have hese alternatives before
of
this
to dispense altogether with the provisions
edict Bill on the statute books of Ireland, or, on the
Are; hand, to defend clause by clause the provisions of
aZ j3llll with such amendments as we may think neces-
thle I think the former part of the alternative to be
late t, and therefore, on further consideration, it is the
fit(;e:ltion of the Government to drop the Bill.—(Cheers.)
wee saying so, I must observe that I have had refer-
tO what has recently come to my knowledge with
;egret to the state of Ireland. I feared that both as
deineercie ,the trial on circuit in Ireland, and the or-
steei-e Administration of justice with respect to per-
tees_eharged with trivial offences—likewise with
%rill
at bod to another circumstance—the reports of the con-
by ago another
the last month—the offences reported
turn y are greatly on the decrease, and the re-
'ehti: ell the past experiments are equally satisfactory.
altos eaceurages the hope that when Parliament parts
ese .
State p r with these restrictions, we may find the.
Pense°' the country such as to enable us finally to dis-
stsoo with them. But at the same time I say, as
the I`,? ea possible, that when you consider that
With responsibility of her Majesty's Government
ineresPett to the safety of life and property in Ireland
Lee neetoPeteei, that whatever measures. it may be necessary
7et'elg ',Zeeland of you for the maintenance of the ex.
'ecaritem. end for the maintenance of peace and
far ase la; Ireland, should he allowed as
extraoese 't may be necessary to demand
Party ininarY Powers
, in order to preserve life and pro-
ehrink e ereland. Her Majesty's Government will not
hocr„,, lore the duty conferred upon them. They are,
'ver, confirmed in the hope that it will be possible
bb` to resort to extraordinary measures to restrict the
i.,,ty of the subject, but that the security of life and
NePert in Ireland may be effected by other means. I
conclude by moving the °visa of the day for which
lehave given notice—the committal of the Public Works
Li-elstnd Bill.—(Caeca.)
Ir. HUME approved of the proceeding of her
kaj
esty Government, and hoped that England and
-vl'ead would in future be governed by the same law.
WELLINGTON STATUE.
CRAVEN BERKELEY had great reason to
telltin of the conduct of Government with respect to
to ellington testimonial. The Noble Lord, acceding
land request of the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn,
ib- the Hon. Member for Shrewsbury, the Noble
held the First Commissioner of Woods and Forests
gt. consented to allow the statue to be placed on the
)r a period of three weeks, and if it were not ap-
e eu of at the end of that time, it was to be pulled down.
• tine ar,hear.) Now who was to decide whether the sta-
itwere a favourable position or not. He wished
tule, whether the Noble Lord had any objection to
whit Pen the table of the House the correspondence
it tieekbeed taken place upon the subject, in order that
lefeeete.et be printed and circulated amongst Honourable
did,-Cres At all events, however, if the Noble Lord
title., a should, early next session, move for their pro-
_sane
Lore le
teittee MORPETH said, finding that the subcom-
ote„,e declined all the sites which had lately been
statue
„,,to them, he had consented to allow the
esub coos-Lbe placed upon the arch for three weeks,. the
wine e•euttee
Sege lothell undertaking iu the event of its not
approved of to restore the arch and,
jestrs Government
original positioncourse her
they "Toeernment would take competent advice upon
*oulestiebt, and upon that advice the question
tett. ultimately be decided. The correspondence was
verseereeeelle long, involving as it did matters of contro-
Wouet eee he trusted the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman
e, not press for its production till next session.
(4.'4 P. TRENCH added a few words in con.firmatio
01. at had fallen from the Noble Lord, the First Coin-
io"sioner of Woods and Forests, and said, notwithstands
ihat nc
Puh had said, and what had Mien from the
vs of the Hon Member tor Dumfries, the sub-committee
"iii re • •
na ost
and mauled of opinion that the arch was the best
appropriate site which could be procured.
Earl of LINCOLN said as the three weeks
leo..uld occur when London might be said to be
till` of town, he trusted in the event of the
position of the statue being approved of, the scaffolding
'would not be removed till the public had returned to
t°Wla and ratified the decision with their approval.—
(hleer, hear.)
Mr. PROTHEROE suggested that a good deal of ex-
Pense would be saved by placing a wooden model upon
the arch first.
Lord MORPETH thought not. The works for the
erecti en of the statute were nearly complete, and the
expense of placing the statue upon the pedestal would
trifling.
The matter then dropped.
SMALL DEBTS BILL.
Sir G. GREY intimated that it was not his intentic n
to bring on the Small Debts Bill to-day, but he pro-
Posed to do so the first thing to-morrow.
FLOGGING IN THE ARMY.
13r- BOWIUNG rose to ask the question of which'he
1,-,a4 given notice. Before doing so, he must express
tets satisfaction at the alteration which had been made
-fe„ reference to the flogging in the army, and he must
er express • his greater satisfaction that the Noble
in u'a at the head of the army had stated
re another place that the matter was not to
seullnia as it now was, but that he hoped yet to
que I,e;gging altogether abolished.—(Hear, hear.) His
aree;:?11 WAS, whether any instructions have been or
the rtended to be issued, regulating the character of
itVesteutnent with which flogging in the army is to be
the hid, as regards the size, the weight, the length of
then 'ladle, the number and thickness of the cords or
refegs, the size and number of the knots ; also, deter-
ineeg what functionaries are to be charged with the
f
timers lotion
of corporal punishment, and what period of
is tO be allowed between each blow ; also,. whether,
le,e'ase the medical attendant shall certify that it would_ be
iron to continue the flogging, any unapplied fords
4,4! c;f the punishment is to be reserved for a second
notion - also, whether it is intended that, the
European and
to fifty lashes shall apply to the Eaunrodpea
whether
tee v(11 troops of the East India Company
Perleerernment will consent to make annual r,eedtuirunstkteo
lament of the corporal punishments employed
fee.the number of lashes, the offences . for which til-
led, and by what species of court-martial ordered.
:clues°triocitts'i;vltUSSELL said he could not answer the
which the Hon. Member had put categoricel y,
but
lie
oh: would say that the Noble Duke the Commander
intee"ef had stated, in another place, what were hist
seeetiet'ons regarding this punishment in future. and
sumo be Improper in bins (Lord J. Russell) to pre-
..,be-eti;bt4eili: further into the matter than had then
te a done- The intention was to restrict the
lashes to fifty, and there was no
Ve et there was every intention that the instruments to
lat,e,(lllle. ed would be of a uniform character, and regu-
wer, by the medical authorities. Respecting whether,
denee tile medics& attendant certified there would be
al)i...er in continuing the punishment, the un-
-le,pmleidn portion would be given on a second
, he would observe that there was
tees e* tle -orved portion of the pu-
44tivristtrwpant would nut be inflicted. With respect to the
• they were, regulated by ttrtivivii of war of

their own, and there was no doubt, when
the intentions of the Noble Duko in relation
to the British troops were known out there, that
a similar arrangement would take place. He (Lord
John Russell) had no atjection to the annual returns of
the cases of flogging which were also sought by the Hon.
Member. He must say, at the same time, that the
Honourable Gentleman and the House would re-
collect that the Noble Duke did not state
the alteration now proposed to be a final
and complete measure. The subject was still under the
consideration of the Commander-in-Chief, and from
time to time he would make such alterations in the
punishment as to reduce its amount and frequency as
much us possible.--(Cheers.) He could assure them
' that the object the Government would have in view
would be to diminish as much as possible the frequency
of this mode of punishment, and to maintain the disci-
pline of the army by other measures.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. BULLER said nothing could be more improper
than flogging a man twice for the same offence. It
used to be done on former occasions, but having been
declared illegal, it was given up, and never occurred in
the army now.
Mr. WILLIAMS wished to know if the same
regulations were to be applied to the navy
as to the army. He thought they were as
necessary there as in the army, and he hoped that both
services would be placed on the same footing. He
trusted the Noble Lord would give the subject his full
consideration. . . .

Captain BERKELEY said no punishment was ever
inflicted in the navy without its being fully reviewed by
the Board of Admiralty. Whenever the subject cf
flogging in the navy came under discussion, he would
Tearlessly state his views. Be believed no line-of-battle
ship could be kept in discipline without the power of
flogging.
Mr. WAKLEY hoped that, even under the mitigated
form of punishment to be adopted, the strictest orders
would be issued for its regulation. While on this sub-
ject, he would refer to what had fallen from a Noble
Lord in another place, in which he impugned the
verdict of the jury in a recent case as con-
trary to the evidence adduced.—(Hear, hear.)
That Noble Lord without any responsibility declared
that, in fact, the jury had acted contrary, to the oaths on
which they were impannelled to investigate the case.
That Noble Lord ought to have at least made himself
acquainted with the facts of the ease before he ventured
on an opinion, and at least, were he dissatisfied with
the verdict given, to have moved for a Committee to in-
vestigate the whole matter.
The subject then dropped.
POOR-LAWS.

_
Mr. P. BORTHWICK hoped that as the lion.
Member for Montrose had a motion for to-morrow
night on the subject of the Poor-law Commissiop, and
as there was no likelihood of there being a House to
ensure its discussion, the Government would take the
matter into their own hands. From what they bad
done already in regard to the Poor-law Commissioners,
he could leave the matter with confidence in their

hands.
APPOINTMENT OF MR. THOMAS GORDON.
Lord G. BENTINCK rose to ask the question of
which he had given notice, in reference to the appoint-
ment of a gentleman as a magistrate who was repre-
sented to have been convicted in the Court of Exchequer
for defrauding the revenue. He had not in the
notice mentioned the name of the individual, as
ho hoped there might have been two individuals
of that name. He would now, however, mention the
name of the party. It was Mr. Thomas Gordon, who,
in 1831, was convicted before Lord Lyndhurst. then the
Lord Chief Baron of the Exchequer, and fined 8001. for
using an imitation Government stamp in calico
printing, with the object of defrauding the
revenue. The Noble Lord concluded by asking
the question which was placed on the notice paper
in the following terms:—To ask Lord J. Russell
a question with regard to the appointment, by the late
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, of a gentleman as
a magistrate within the jurisdiction of the Duchy, said to
have been formerly concerned in defrauding the Excise.
Quite unable to defend himself from the charge, this
gentleman withdrew his plea and submitted to a penalty
of 800 L And yet this was the man whom the present
Government had elected to sit upon the magisterial bench
in the county of Lancashire. lie might be told that there
had been Some understanding that he should not
qualify for the performance of magisterial duties,
but that was not enough.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons)
SATURDAY, AUG. 15.
BRITISH POSSESSIONS BILL.

Order for Third Reading read; Motion made, and Question pro-
posed, " That the Bill be now read the third time :"—Amendment
proposed, to leave out the word " now," and at the end of the Ques-
tion to add the words " upon this day three months :"—Question
put, " That the word now' stand part of the Question." The
House divided:—

MAJORITY—AYES, 47.
Arundel, Earl of ' Forster, Mathew Pechell, Captain
Berkeley, Captain Greene, Thomas Rich, Henry
Bernal, Ralph Grey, Sir G. Russell, Lord J.
Borthwick, Peter Hatton, Captain Sheil, R. L.
Bright, John Hawes, B. Sheridan, R. B.
Brown, W. Hill, Lord M., Tancred, H. W.
Buller, Charles Hobhouse, Sir John Turner,Edmund
Byng, G. S. Howard, P. H. Vane, Lord H.
Christie, W. D. Jervis, Sir John Wakley, Thomas
Courtenay, Lord Labouchere, Henry Wilshere, T. W.
Cowper, W. F. Macaulay, T. B. Wood, Charles
Duncan, George Manic, Fox Wortley, J. S.
Dundas, Adtniral Milnes, R. Monckton Wyse, Thomas
Dundas, David Morpeth, 'Viscount
Elphinstone, IL Morris, David
Escott, Bickham O'Conor Don
Etwall, Ralph Parker, John

TELLERS.
Tuttlell, 11.
Craig, W. G.

MINORITY—NOES, 8.
Bentinck, Lord G. Rolleston, Colonel
Douglas, Sir H. Spooner, Richard
Gore, Montague Walsh, Sir J. 11.1 Beresford, Major
Henley, J. W. Yorke, E. T. Newdegatc, C. N.

To-day is the anniversary of the birth of her Royal
Highness the Duchess of Kent, who completes her 60th year.
LOUIS PHILIPPE AND RICHARD COBDEN.—We
earn that Mr. Cobden, on his way to Paris, received an in-
vitation to dine with the King at the Chateau d'Eu ; and he
accordingly joined the family dinner-party at the chateau,
where he was most graciously and cordially received by the
King, the Queen, and Madame Adelaide. We understand
that his Majesty (who speaks English perfectly well) showed
an intimate knowledge of the proceedings of the Anti•Corn-
law League, and of the recent struggle ter the repeal of the
corn-laws.—Manchestar Guardian.
DEATH OF ROBERT PLUMER WARD, ESQ.—Died on
Thursday last, at the residence of the Lieutenant-Governor
of Chelsea Hospital, in his 82d year, of a sudden attack of
angina pectoris, Robert Plumer Ward, Esq., of Gilston Park,
in the county of Herts. Mr. Plumer War held office for 25
years under the governments of Mr. Pitt, Mr. Perceval, and
Lord Liverpool, and retained to the last that vigorous intel-
lect which has, more recently, identified his name with some
of the master-pieces of English literature.
ALLEGED DEATH OF A WOMAN FROM THE VIO-
LENCE OF HER HUSBAND.—On Saturday information was
received by the police that a woman, named Williams, was
lying dead at No. 8, Queen-street, Seven Dials, having been
killed through the violence of her husband, a labourer in the
employ of Messrs. Combe and Delafield, the brewers, of
Castle-street, Long-acre. From the inquiries instituted by
the police it appears that the deceased, who was a woman of
drunken habits, and her husband had frequent quarrels, and,
after one of a more than an ordinary character, the woman
died late on Friday night or Saturday morning. The body
presenting marks of extreme violence, the face and head
being very much bruised, both eyes being blackened, &c.,
information was instantly forwarded to the Coroner, who
issued his warrant for an inquest this day, the body in the
mean time to undergo a post mortemexamination. Williams
is under the surveillance of the police.
ALARMING FIRE IN PERCIVAL-STREET, CLERKEN-
WELL.—On Sunday evening, between seven and eight o'clock,
a fire broke out on the premises belonging to Mr. B. Whyte,
a jeweller and silversmith, carrying on business at 15, Perci-
val street, Clerkenwell. It originated in the basement floor,
and was discovered by some neighbours seeing flames issuing
through the area grating. An instant alarm was spread, but
the inmates being all out at the time, it was at first feared
some one had perished. Such, we are happy to say, was not
the case. The parish engine was quickly on the spot, closely
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everything in that part of the building where it corn
menced was completely consumed. Fortunately, the other
portions of the premises escaped destruction. Mr. Whyte
was insured in the Phcenix Fire-office. It could not be as-
certained how the fire commenced.
AYRSHIRE MOORS.—G rouse shooting commenced on
the 12th instant. Accounts represent the birds to be strong
and wild. Sir James Boswell killed upwards of twenty brace
on the moors of Boghead, parish of Auchinleck. We have
heard of several other cases in which considerably fewer were
shot, and from all accounts it appears that the game is rather
scarce.
THE NEW SPIRITS LICENSES BILL.—The greatest
activity prevails in the Excise department, making ar-
rangements in the event of the Spirits Licenses Bill passing
into a law. Mr. John Wood, the chairman of the board,
who bad left town for the purpose of making his annual in-
spection of the coast, was called to town, and remained in
communication with the Chancellor of the Exchequer the
whole of Friday and Saturday last; and Mr. C. Freeling,
the secretary, was also required to be in attendance to afford
information. The duties of the surveying offices in thickly
populated districts are at present sufficiently heavy, and little
addition can be made to them, consequently some few new
officers will be required ' • but in other districts, it is stated,
the additional duty will be performed by the surveying offi-
cers. The premises of chemists and druggists will be pe-
riodically visited; and each vendor will be required to take
out a two-guinea license. The object of the Bill is to put a
stop to illicit distillation.

RELIGIOUS CAMP MEETlNG.—Yesterday, one of these
religious gatherings of the sect of Primitive Methodists,
which are so common, and attended with so much enthu-
siasm iu America, took place in the centre of Blackheath.
The services commenced at nine o'clock in the morning, and
notwithstanding occasional showers of rain, continued with-
out intermission until five. The preachers were located in a
van, and the audience, consisting of about 300, who were
evidently members of the connexion, together with a large
concourse of persons, whom the novelty of the scene brought
together, were accommodated with forms. After occasional
short addrez.,ses from their elevated position, the preachers
walked in procession, followed by the audience, to a short
distance, where they knelt down in a circle. The elder then
commenced with a prayer in the centre, and was followed
extemporaneously and promiscuously by many of the
audience, interrupted, however, frequently by the loudest
ejaculations of the wildest enthusiasm. The religious cere-
monies were interspersed with a variety of singing, in which
the psalmody was popularised to some of our most modern
song tunes, the " Huntsman's chorus," and " Buy a broom,"
being prominent. With allwthehirgreexattibdeercaon ruceino.f feeling the
proceedings were conducted
with