The Sun.
London, England, 1846-03-07 00:00:00

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• ' "ic" r"'" see 1 I the doing away with the heavy
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the ee.s tnipesed eu the cspyhold tenant-laree•rs. ;4 . OW, ha
wisest course to mike that report a pert of the presen
question.
After a few words from Mr. CURTEIS, which were quite
inaudible in the gallerve
for Sir
ARTHUR BROOK said he would state his reasons
it 'clang against the questi n proposed by her Majesty's Go-
greatntss was satisfied that the measure would be of
e Hre! incalculable injury to Ireland. In England there
7,4:4)ta1e exeretetion of aj benefit from free trade; is w_as.
_a_,n
sadinaenuntry, Oni it was well knee n that Leland ex,. mem
e that export coueeescl l produce. The
the!
of Ireland were greatly interested in agriculture, and
would feel the itijery of free trade much more severely
'eau te:
ivii,
I_ ..1 country. Ireland was an exporting, and England
of Ire` esorting country. He was of opinion that the people
till,land would he much more benefited by full employment
they Pere I result of the Right Hon. Baronet's measure. if
ilf.,t, to open u canals from Lougherne to the river Shan-
et it would give ernin ment to thousands, and confer a great
41i/ult.-le on the country. He wished the Heil. and Learned
lit. had fer Cork Ways. in his piece, as he wished to
It aasa letter from that Hon. Member to Cencil.iation.hall,
slret,e,nnitoseble to cepect any measure to he of euvantage to
tor s while those who could ana would spend money there
to; to danger of losing life and property. The lion. and
liejeree ned Member for Cork bed said in his letter, that the mea-
leeetabrmit to be proposed by the Government, for the punish-
to the crime, should be resisted. Ile was greatly opposed
relief ensure proposed by the flight Hon. Baronet
iflor theit
troziti
i. the elistre,s of the country, and more especia y as
theme greatts injurious to Irelarei, and for that reason he
air' °Pitose it,
test et.ACLAND wished to say a few words. He thought
tee 1,1 an indefinite arrangement had been proposed, it would
toe ',a," extended longer than three years, whereas they had
co tine advantage of knowing their own position. He was
eeho° 'ee his friend had given his proposition to the Hotise
tea let any of the vituperation which had marked the earlier
Roast of the debate, arid that his friend had also refrained
opit,Z"Riil any Member of this House with his changes of
Stn ast Hoer, hear.)
of 18' hTAFFORD O'BRlEN'begged to second the request
11ee,,, "cos Friend the Member for Pontefract, that the
citation oulti riot divide. He (Mr. S. O'Brien) found a pro-
ell made by the Government laid upon the table of. that.
oe'''o',:al "d he considered it his duty tooppose that proposition.
to it, rrc'red the Bill witheut sating his own views with regard
Led. ''ritin the maintenance of protection as it at present ex-
&lel h rie found the motion for the repeal of the corn-laws,
etre declared hie intention of fighting against it.
kttafitiCHARLES BULLER said that his Hon. Friend bad
sal etl 3' found the motion for the repeal of the
.cdrn-la.vss,
"at siatented himself with merely offering an opposition with-
'? the Penhis reasons. What did he say in the earlier part
?wouldl'leetstg said he knew there were various amend-
tiNt; vat he not notice any of them, nor would his
IP, iehtitePolle any amendment on their side. The Hon. Mem-
"lie a,w,ad brought forward the proposition, had certainly
esl,, tha n"itk great temper, but. when he found that the sense
"l" eg:4„,le was against it, it would be as well to discontinue
AI oeto promo.° it.
pr rent 'ctiE it BORTHWICK said that he thought the
for eh
It
A not
' re, as proposed by Government, was. uncalled
He
eat r the existing circumstances of the country..
114itie,,' however say that circumstances might not arise.re-
esti -,1,4 c,hange 'in the corn-lae s, but they hid not arisen
ati al- cnarige ought never to be made at all unless there
l'ry fe,?o g,od in its effect to balance the evil. The Secre-
%itha,toe home Department had remarked that he (Mr.
well-eh'ek) had prophesied that the corn-laws would not work
tatrwe certainly had done so, but his opinions were now
Ilete)ueras I.e thought the laws worked very well,--( Hear,
vFutee„.' he meaning of the opposition he had given to Go-
visirsd so was that he thought the present circumstances re-
til) ifetlislchange in the laws, but he aas ready at any future
,11in '"ould circumstances require it, -to take into considera-
-11 ki)Nect for an alteration in the torn-laws. fe la 41 ~.
i;111, the 1.713 said that he was astonished at what he heard
''', tb- "°o• Member, when he knew that he was connected
lip 4, ttprotection Society in Bond- et: eet, which was pledged
Let tipeti'erY eyes never to allow a repeal of the corn-laws.
r thL,•"°n• Alember made a sert of " Mysteries of Udelpho"
jests,'" which he contemplated the probability of eupporting
tree re for an alteration in the corn-laws after such a&-
lee 'on. He
stds' tee , ete ( Mr. Ward) could have no more confidence in
that "e could in any Member on his side of the House,
b lsLAwould be reducing it to a very small scale. . .
IN e ;I%' SON said, that if this measure were carried, ruin
°,l'e e the of it. In his neighbourhood, both Whig
"Y cone result
Ire 1, urred in the belief that protection was necessary
eta.. ill' Lure.
irl 1e,71.3,41E said that the protectionists had declared that
11-' eg,l7"" fight this Bill from pest to pillar. At a ineetirg of
btlitpro'.'cultural Protection Society last Tuesday, a resolution
tic ke ori.,rd be 111 r. W. Esher Meg, and secended by the
it era "chmond, which reodution set forth that the altera-
tcltitiserraed by Sir Robert Peel would cheapen food and other
4st ° tlae injury of the labourer and manufacturer, and
II l're thp„ , , . '
lil oroq -., were ..,uno to maintain protection and resist
'Qs,. ^"055 of the abolition of the corn laws. Since that
tes :vete' Members had modified their opinion., and he, for
kr Pas tap
to receive a convert, however he aae oleained.
Rune ihS'AIITH O'BRIEN said that he had stated nothing
NII.I 45 bill simple opposition to the measure, and that he
, Ills, 'eh° reason for that opposition.
ig,it,taea'stlitZGEßALD said he had paid great attention to
le e re Proposed by the Government, and he thought the
ill:si4ePP;e would reap as much benefit froM it as the Engli-h
4 had t !ertainly had not been left to their choice ;no per-
s, , applied to th T lee • e erish people to ascertain their opinions
~kre itasnitblecatm'utht7efore the Irish had only to adept the mea-
hild obtain le `s. them, and to ascertain what benefit they
Lord G ' I°3'
it.
s" INCK said that he begged leave
tt, LORGE pF,v,,,
1 aY to the „
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kli 110 gi , no-euezble Member ( Mr. Hume) that there
SMA t f'caltlif on that side of the House to uphold pro-
ix °,.ag,ieUlturalprriduce and to other articles of domestic
Nld II"' If the Secret:try for the Home Department
in izq the
the pledges and promises he gave to the coon-
ttllttissit'26. what compensation would he not have to give to
441 are e He had promised that 30 per cent. should bs
tptllltisaretrl annuities chargeable on land, with various other
.ittstc:tas of a like nature. Relieve them from tithes, poor-
e4ly, ,rnalt-duty, the duty on distilled spirits, and the hop-
.' ''`ald d - Id INT
4tl kik . Y you . ely the wor . —ot one among them
I ether
.otor prote.ction then. But he would tell the Hon.
l'4.ktille,,r r Sheffield (Mr. Ward) that while these burdens
t.tik e. en land, they (the protectionists) would still claim
e4lt, mtalsn amount of protection be conceded.
irtotg seltrivllLNES said he made the proposition tinder a
elloted le of public duty, but seeing the feeling of the House,
llis l'eg leave to withdraw it.
itl,lt, 411°.°:ultnent was accordingly withdrawn.
op, aIOWA RD then rose do move that the amount of
itle i,,,,P4ed by the Government be extended to the Ist of
li Qy ,tZt I, instead of for three years. He said he would
eihtie e the reasons that had-led him to make this motion.
~,httio°rd, that the change might be gradual, and with due
kdt skneaisting interests and contracts. He knew that there
k;,'t'lltat.Y farms held on lease in the country ; held for
sit tteeeren and taurteen years, and to withdraw the pre-
I k 'tit of protection from them would be doing the far-
qt whßreat injuS'iCe. In order to preserve the interest of
qas: had made those leases, as well as other contracts that
sad, ,',!'t!reel into, he now proposed the extension of the
t,ls,ho ls hale making the motion, be would beg leave to ob-
e 'et:eater? that unless the House showed a fair disposition
t''''4in his proposition, be would follow the example
k,.4%v,
,(lentlernen who had proposed amendments, and
qe,..
It it.
,s ,dee( Hear, hear.) lie wished' the question settled
.11''s 't
rmihle, so that they might be prepared with peace
lettli a:l,llst aggresden abroad; and he must observe that
la de olfiered in some respects with theilinisterial propoin-
‘ lOtasal‘,,L°t consider it either an unconstitutional
si'like!' He would have preferred a fixed permanentp
ltitttlitats'a,t ahich prevailed in Belgium, where the Govern-
et aty . (aseretionary power of relaxing it, whenever any
its vtelet". If the preterit measure passed, he trusted the
1,4114,441 d not suffer from competition with the foreign
'la", Ittsete; and with the expression of this hope, though he
, ,'"ktie„- been elid at au extension of the period for the
Ile the of f theediity he would, under the circumstances, as
Vats u,alsosition Of Hon. Members, confine himself non
tk'i letl4,('. declaratiun cf his sentiments on the subject. Ile
the erota_Lrat rejoice that they had secured a period of mo-
'4tletie-ction before entering upon their new career, as it
aat abettelehecoantry for that great change. He thanked the
1'1441/ attention they had paid him, and ho would con-
ettedkeePgi that though he had formerly supported the
"I. tc (let. It
Member for the city of London, in proposing
N!,,115,.." he would, now that the House had affirmed the
''iit'ls;: k total repeal at the end of three yeart, do ill hp
,e,,11,7":;',e,
,(Tect to that measure. The Hon. Member sat
NI; at l'e'llrewirg his amendment.
'N• 't",'Lll'F'E, in reference' to what was said about the
1%,:.iti,10 taleuriteeesould not see it in the came light as tlie
N,lt t ',!man rho-had just sat down. He could not look
ta• errt:s'rla S.eurity at all. There might be a change of
h to Sir R. Peel be succeeded by Lord John Russell;
t,.°tliii else that Noble Lord would be bound, accord-
\ teitofessions to propose a total repeal.--( Hear, hear. )
htal'si us therefore be no security ; end he, for one, if a
lit''" alit 1°
take place, would prefer the settlement of the
IkN Ala:Mte by a tetal repeal.—( Hear, hear.) .
as'e, rec.% serstn, an COP .LAND entirely concurred in the
etc 'ship Right Hon. Baronet,-and was glad that the
l▪ l," fsetvglan had withdrawn his resolution. He would
s't trilos ' to show that the farmers (lid not seem to dread
ei,f,tieetrd alteration in the corn-laws. He knew- the case
ilt'st°'it '',lrl/lo had just taken a farm from one of the Cor-
-I,7ttelate‘ e a orkshire at an advanced rent. The former
ee,tli Thse! 1,2 ;Oa, rent, but the new one took it at
'teireal '' fact had a great influence on his mind, and the
cat'ulee :°rld, anti showed the fears expressed by Hod
ett''' ht-erP groundless.
L.l.t:ieW Wt)rds Iron Mr. FINCH, in reply to the state- 1
-.1. 4 r• Pb
,
y iit ‘,. l7t.‘ speaker,
;Ia,„kste'ENTINCK said he would take that opportu
~at'atesh',"R the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the
'1,,,a1;1,11i-tlY,,h, at. he expected. would be the probable opera-
iNtite% -,"`",_ Could he give any idea of what the ave-
t;itt:4; tht°t' /',ucas would be ? He (Lord George Bentinck )
SI. i lie elinister, making a proposition of the kind be-
'''''t%if lalie4-'s' was beund to state what would be the probable
o't, 'lee i labour'
under it. He ales wished to know what was
,t es ti, ti,
Ott,-Nti,. ,commutation of tithes ? It was stated on a
halt ,t'k,ereaiiy the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary
~,,,, et. a eeartment, that the price of wheat would be
ri,t,,l:p,lr'llitt. !luarl,r, and it was also stated by the Right
isete(ateeti In 1842, that a duty of Is. per quarter would
Itilki t ll' 14t": Whatever to Ireland, but a great injury. He
thitiaech. a, "'els) wished to know if the sentiments of. the
lety' frog were still in accordance with these views?
st Ito, ``' all th ' ha', fall rahed previously stated, wheat, under the
LI! el DEO average from 455. to 50s. per quarter. .
SO q ill ''';', who was very inaudible, from his turning his
Oast urgeßlele in addressing his observations towards
it:? ii entinck ) said, that he really could not give an
\,/ Of ire (ildstions of the Noble Lord. He had no
!'',4ae.l.t,',,etr,jaMZiCi°g the discussion which had aI-
,VI) a cetil the House for three weeks. I s
,q, *hi mat" .not have paid attention to what he (Sit
',VS t OIL, that debate, else he would have heard the
eiati? sie,w
.edtertained on the question. Ile then endea-
ell'a ittl, 2,41,1`ce causes that operated to diminish the cost of
,7ee‘ltes,,!lloseeee„reduce the price of wheat. And
s'e
in-
the
'et,i.utttloe iiie that within the last three years Leer
Lla,lies,"ll a.; the corn-laws, during which the average
list; cif' but -3
ulk• that that price was not the result of the
Nit is, Ilea Lcdarose from agricultural improvements and
!sel_tla.' me er hature. He shouted that agricultural
le; ytlai iq isoiudt on the price of wheat, for it would ap-
Ike{hit4 kV ' the price was 675. per quarter, while the
k'
1,/t,t tLe
tgritoll, dt averaged 51s. This was a strng
tttte have cro-la.; a' Prosperity did not depend on the exist-
,, yty I, ereeiees; He bad no answer to make to what he
iteaatdlet. ha.:,' ly stated, or to a(sages from " Hansard,"
llaittlier:' reasos:'tng paid the closest attention to the question,
es'e ;lite (irl ot.a `,.) change his views ; and whilst he cast no
attaalape'tain, o,','- Hoe. Gentlemen for any opinion they
:eti:esetir to rn.i, ana change of sentiment they might have
kiLts°ta steici to aim's! lir%) trusted they would extend the same
logs h`.oe pi, he alai no gave them full credit for honest in-
-01)
l!ssisecen. ere aged the same mr himself. Lasl. rear,
441 taelsliedch for tl'oer for Wolverhampton (Mr. Villiers)
atilt tey,
taio it, repeal of the corn-laws, he (Sir Robert
i, eqpnsd, it
was
on that occasion Lord Howick, now
ttiliteeetteite ales, 5,..!' conclusive in favour ci a gradual repeal
salien' of the ednee le, • had
~‘,SOi ' eau ...n circumstances shown him
Bill Auld 'le he now propo,ed to the )ouse. But
sa go anto
as b the discussion, as he was desirous
rought in founded upon the resolutions