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IMPERIAL PARL lAMENT. parties would be able th:have the opinion of the law officers 7 the case up to half-past four o'clock, at which hour they
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FRIENDLY SOCIETIES BILL. Sir J. GRAHAM said he had to move an amen . 'neut. ~r
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) rather an addition to this clause. He would ove that IN BANKS, AbSURANCIi AND OTHER 0M
O n clause S beingsproposecl, where the salary of the registrar was to be fix, d at the PANIES' STOCK.
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Mr. T. PUNCOMBE complained that it was not suffi- average of the last three years, that it should be provided
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aiently retrospective in its spirit. It provided that all socie- that the average did not exceed more than 1,0001. a year.
tiles already in existence should bm e
valid, provided they had After a few observations from Mr. CooPER and r.
PUBLISHED EVERY
been duly and prolyerly certified by the officer appointed for O'CoNetzer, which did not reach the gallery, LONDON, TURSDAY, APhIL 21.
SOININSTOCE ZANIES.
that purpose: :Now all societies that had been certified a t Clause 10 was ordered to stand part of the Bill.
all ought to be made valid, and not left opea to be upset in Clause 11 was postponed.
Clause 12 was ordered to stand part of the Bill. Name of Company, Dividend Amount
a court of law for nut having been properly certified.
Sir J. GRAHAM did not agree with the Hon. le.ember. On the question that clause 13 stand part of the Bill beingper of Paid. Price
Atualuxt. Share.
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cceenntt..
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5400 00
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It ought still to be left open to the courts of law to decide put,
Mr. P. SCROPE said that under clause 13 he did not feel
£ a. 4. X s. d.
whether the existing rules had been complied with or not.
- ABruisttsrlialletiath. American-.......
After a few words from Mr. HAWES, certain whether the tables by which these societies al
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL explained that any friendly ready in existence calculated their advantages.
Commercial of London IL per cent. 100 0 0 20 0 0
He would 2*,,
societies that had been established before the passing of the have to be submitted to the registrar.
would
, 7,olonial. 5/. per cet. 100 0 0 25 0 0 16
Londe and Westminstr 61. per cent.lloo 0 0 20 0 o :7
would be e •
Act for the purpose specified ender the four clauses under also take this opportunity
ifof.t saying that he
consideration, or for any legal purpose which could be cer- thought that the present measure, i . wast.s passed,
Metropolitan
Joint-Stock ... 61. per cent. '5O 0 0 10 0 0 14
The attention
Frvi'titiPoi:i, itNlaneowf 1re1and.........••
5811..
per
cent.cent. 1025 0
10
000 710 e
tified, and against which society there should have been no of very little advantage to these soctieheie .
ro 0e eo
1478e2M
passing of this
' decision in any court of law of competent jurisdiction, of the Legislature ought, after .
National of Ireland .. 5/
. per cent. 50 0 0 20 0 0 18
Nat. Provncial of Eng. Si. per cent. 100 0 0 35 0 e 351
should be admitted to be within the provisions of the Act, Bill. to be directed to the framing of some measure
and entitled to the benefit thereof. In consequence of the which would place these societies init a position Intl-
decisien of Justice Wightman the words contained in all the nitely superior to that in which was at present Ditto, New.- ... •• • 51. per cent. 20 0010 0 0 4
former. Friendly Societies' Acts which were considered- proposed to place them. The attention of the Government Union of Australia.. •• ; GI. per cent. 25 0 0 i 2.5 0 0 25
ejusckm eeirelis-with the societies specified under the might also be turned to the introduction of some Government Union of London... •• , 5/. per cent. 50 0 01 10 0 0 , 12
clauses of the present Act were constrained and narrow in measure by which the poor, by making certain payments, ---------_._.____L__
their meaning. The present Act proposed to detail the ob- could secure an annuity at any period they named in their rrzstraANCE COMPANIES.
jects for which friendly societies might be established beyond old age. The tables of the rates of payments
Dividend Amount
poor have the Name of Company.
those precise and limited objects contained in the former could be published. The would thus
per of Paid. Price
Acts. Any societies now existing, and instituted for pur- advantages of a Government security for their annuities, Aneum. Share.
poses which accorded with the decision of Justice Wight- and ale-eo of having their annuities payable to them at any -------- ------ - , ______ man, but which were not in the terms of this Act, but were portion of the kingdom they might chance to be. That £s.d.'.£ s. 4.
for purposes specified by the four clauses, or for any other course would be better than the doubtful and uncertain Albion .......... •• • • 3L lOs 500 0 0 50 0 0 74
Alliance grit. and For. 6 per cent. 100 0 0i 11 0 0 19
legal purpose which could be certified according to the fifth security at present afforded by the friendly societies, which, Ditto Marine 6/. per cant, 100 001 5 0 0 614
clause of this Act, should be allowed the benefit of the pre - by mismanagement or miscalculation, might occasion to many Atlas .... •••• • • • 1,735. 6dir she.
50
00 to)
55. : : 1p
sent Bill. The object of this Bill was to enlarge the limited the loss of the subscriptions of years. He hoped that his British Commercial
restrictions of the former Act, and to enable parties to asso- suggestion would meet with the consideration that it deserved Clerici,Med.&Gen.Life ' ssl. perp sCleanrt. 100 0 0 210 0 64
ciate together for other purposes than those enumerated by at the hands of the Government. County .............. 31. 100 0010 0 0
the former Act, and all that was required was that those Sir JAMES GRAHAM promised that it should. He Crown •••• " •• ' ****
.. .... 10s. 50 0 0 50 0
purposes should Eagle ......-
be some of the specified purposes proposed in also stated that in a short time competent persons would be
.. .. 6e. 5000 aOO 5%
the enlarged Act, and for some legal purpose to be allowed appointed by the Government for the purpose of drawing Economic Life...
1000 0 0 250 0 0
tables to regulate L&3os.bs.
by the Attorney-General and by the Secretary of State. the amount of sums to be d Ene.ie Scot. Law slcent. 50 002 0 0 2A,
pal on
After a few words from Mr. A-IMES, which did not reach theu death of a member of these societies. And he proposed
certified by the registrar European Life ...... 5% per cent. 20 0 0 All paid. 20
the gallery, that no society should be hereafterFreemasons' ••• 51 per cent. 20 0 9 30 0
Sir J. GRAHAM objected (as we understood) to any in- unless they consented
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to be guided by
_those tables.
terference or discussion on the: subject of the decision of Mr. T. ISUNCOMBE said, that if the Right Hoe. Baronet Giiiliopbeeri.ai..... .* *.
:: ::. : . 61•. per cent. Stock.
Guardian ...... .• •• • • 51. per cent. 100 003610 0 49 Justice Wightman. Those friendly societies which now ee- I would reed the very able book of Mr. Neilson on the sübject of Fire ..
isted would be exactly in the same condition as if this annuities, he would find that it wouldbe mostunjust torequire Imperial Life ........ 12s. 100 0010 0 0 17
Act were not to be Paned. Whether they looked prosper- the tables on that head to be the same in all societies; for LlnademL':.fteY
Marine•
•• • 11111..581 ss*
100 0 0 150 13
0 t
lively, or retrospectively, he believed that the clause which instance, it would be unjust to compel the Friendly Ship- Legwal and*Gene.ral Life * 50 00211 0 6%
he had proposed would remedy many of the evils which at builders, of Liverpool to be guided by the same tables as London Fire .......• 10s. 25 0012 10 0 14%
present existed in friendly societies. London Ship •.•• •• -10 s. 25 0012 10 0 14%
Mr. T. DIINCOAIIIE had co hesitation in saving that if those of the Operative Tailors' Society of the metropolis, be- marine..
proposed clause were agreed to, there were flO less.thah4:otohoe Cause the latter were exposed to much more sickness than I.l%,,laNtlionlnavlitle&anG;LLife 4%1. per et. 50 0 0 20 9 3
Fund.. 51. per cent. 20 0 0 210 0 2%
the former.-(Hear, Hear, hear.)
friendly societies in this king. which National Life.
the samecondition as that of the South were in precisely The clause, as amended by the Right Hon. Baronet was Panadium Life ...... • • 51. per cent. 50 0 0 20 0 21. 2s.
eased. On clause 14 being proposed,
Shields Society, to then put and P . . .
which allusion had been made, and which had been declared Mr. HENLEY hoped that provision would be made against Protector Life
to be illegal by Mr. Justice Wightman. From the statement the sending of any cases connected with friendly societies Provident Life --- • • 1/. ss. 100 0 0 10 0 0 23
of the Right lion. Baronet it would appear that all those into Chancery. Rock Life .. 4s. 5000 10 0 4%
4,000 societies would now be compelled to come to him or The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, that in all matters Royal Exchange 5/. per cent. Stock. - 180
Sun Fire . - - 210
the Honourable and Learned Solicitor-General for what he of dispute were the members of those societies proposed to go Ditto Life .- .. ...• • 1/. 6s. - - 49
called the privilege of a new constitution. to law, the case would have to be submitted to the Attorney- Universal Life .. ..... 10% I. pr cut 100 0
General for the time being, and if he were of opinion that there 615 0 20
Sir JAMES GRAHAM-No, no.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE-Well, then, if they did sot, they was no necessity for appealing to the Court of Chancery, the DOCKS.
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would remainin their present condition at their own peril. The case could not be proceeded with.-
decision of Mr. Justice Wightman had created alarm, and the The clause w I Dividend Amount ,
as then agreed to. Name of Company. per , of Paid. ; i Price.
consequence was, that moat of the 4,000 friendly societies had After some discussion clause 15 was agreed to. Annum. ' Share. I I
altered their rules in accordance with that decision, and if Sir J. GRAHAM then moved that the consideration of
the law were now to be altered again they would find them- Clause 16 and the remaining clauses should be postponed till I £ s. e.j £ s. d.
selves still in peril. He should therefore propose that, after Friday next.-Motion agreed to. Commercial .. - - 78
East and West India - 14134
the word " established" in the clause, there should be added
the words " enrolled before the passing of this Act." NEW WRIT.
On the motion of Mr YOUNGE, a new writ was ordered East Country - 21
Mr. ESCOTT said, that with all respect for the decision for the Falkirk District*of Bur*-ghs, in the room of J. Baird, Linden ............. Si. pr cent. Stock. - 115%
St Katharine .... ••• • ; 5 per cent. I Stock. - 104;4
of Mr. Justice Wightman, he submitted that the opinion of Esti , who had accepted the office of Steward of the Ciiltern Hundreds. Southampton • • ...... ' 41. per cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 . 30
his Hon. and Learned Friend the Solicitor-General was quite
ELpmCNOUNTY ELECTIONS BILL.
as much entitled to respect.-(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
LIST OF SCOTTISH COMPANIES' PRICES
That judgment might have been wrong; it had not yet been air.
Dividend Amount
Appealed against, or decided in a higher court. He should Cou.nty Elections Bill, which proposes to limit the time of
e STONE moved the second reading of the
polling at elections in counties to one day. Name of Company. per of Paid. 'Price
certainly support the amendment of hie Hon. Friend the
Annum. Share.
Colonel WOOD moved that the Bill be read a second time
Member for Finsbury.
-
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that he was afraid that that day six months. -
£ s. d. £ •s. il.
too much importance had been attached to the decision of Lord J. WORSLEY went through the returns of the Bank of Scotland - 100 0 • 165
Royal Bank of Scotland 61. per cent. - 100 0 0 157%
Mr. Justice Wightman, but of this he was sure, that to
- 100 0 0 224
much importance by far had been attached to his owne number of voters recorded in the several counties, and thef
British Linen Company 81. per cent.
161
opinion. In fact, he did not recollect what that Commercial per 100 0 0
National Bank.. ..... . 61. per cent. - 10 0 0 14%
opinion was until it had been put into his hands a few which was that the number of persons who voted on the se- Union Bank of Scotland 74/. pr cent.' - 50 0 0 92
minutes previously. That opinion was offered on an isolated cond day was so insignificant as to render it very desirable Western Bank.. .... • . 61. per cent. - 50 0 0 BO
cash; it might happen that the majority of theto restrict the time for county elections. The Hon. Member North of Scotland Bank Si. per cent. - 50 0 74 societies in England were constituted on different
4,000 friend) for Middlesex bad said that the out-voters would have no Clydesdale Bank 6l. per cent. - 10 0 0 13%
3declared to be il-
• les. PrinclP opportunity of voting; but even if such were the case, there Eastern Bank
751. per cent. - 10 0 0 11
With the single exception of the societ •
Bank - 2 10 434
legal they legalised, by the present enactme • were corresponding advantages ; for even, as in the case of Edinb.& Glasgow Bank 6/. per cent. - 50 S 6%
nt, eve soviet
which came within the description of those includedit sin they of Glasgow Bank . 51. per cent. - 10 0 0 134
West Yorkshire, where there were more than 50,000 voters, City
Scottish Union Ins. Co. 51. per cent. 20 0 0 1 0 0 245.
'first four clauses. They had nothing to do it was evident that no change could be made on the second judgment on the decision of Mr. Justice Wightman,w anditt in
withg i in
day of polling. Then, as to treating, it was well known that tHerculesnsui- colne7ac Liteien c. 0.• If: rel. cent.ceut. 1,::: : 0 11131 () 1: %
reference to those societies included in the sth clause much of the mischief would be saved. He was satisfied
. North Britsh 'faun- 5)4 /.pr cent. 200 0 0 10 paid.O
0 2831
;they had
only to come forward without expense and without inconve- ctohradtiathl esuapltpeorratt.-ilewraiess 0
fh „
weolesome, and he should give it his Caledonian Fire Insur. 101. per cent. 100 0 0 10 0 0 22
Edinburgh Life Insur. 61. per cent. 100 0 0 12 10 0 ]tip
nience, and lay their rules before the
two officers appointed Mr. NEWDEGATE wished to say a few words en this
Divide.")
Edin. & (Basil. Railway 11.10 s. per c. 50 5 0 50 0 0 72
for the purpose, and they would at
Ditto, 4 Shares 7s. Gd. p. s. 12 10 0 All paid. 17%
once receive from them a measure. which, in his opinion, was at least, premature, for
certificate that the society
Edin., Leith, & Grantn 20 0 0 20 • 0 18
was of such a nature as to •
come it was very plain that the experience of the past was no
within the provisions of the Act, and be legalisedGlasgw & Ayrshir Rail. 5/.pe-r cent. 50 0 0 All paid. 70%
accordingly.
criterion for the futare.-(Laughter.) He had himself been Glasgw & Greenck Rail. 21. per cent. 25 0 0 All paid. 19'
Mr. RUTHERFORD stated that the explanation of the engaged on a Committee, 01sgw&Gamkirk Rail. 51. per cent. 25 0 0 All paid. 40%
Learned Solicitor-General had removed many of the doubts The SPEAKER-The Hon. Member cannot speak respect- Dundee & Arbroth Rail. 61. per cent. 25 0 0 All paid. 39
which he had entertained upon the subject.
Sir J. GRAHAM made some remarks, which ing a Committee which has not made its report. Standard LifeAssurnce. 51 per cent. 50 0 0 210 0 9
audible in the gallery. - Mr. NEWDEGATE apologised, and proceeded to say that
WATHR-WORKS
if the same plan were to be adopted as that which the -
M. T. DUNCOMBE said that no reason had yet been Hon. Member for Stockport (Mr. Cobden) had said would Dividend Amount
assigned why the words " or entitled " should "
duced in the clause. not be intro- be used by the Anti-Corn-law League-that was to collect Name of Company. per of Paid. Price.
Annum. Share.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL considered the a large number of voters at the railway stations in a neigh-
-
posed to le introduced perfectly superfluous, and words
pro-
beuring county, and pour them down the polling-places-
X it, d.
would net •
at all enlerge, but perhaps diminish, the powers of the this would occasion great inconvenience, and if it was East London.. ..... ... 81. 100 0 0 - 215
by creating a doubt upon the meaning of the words. Bill, proposed to obviate that inconvenience by an increased Grand Junction .... • • 31. 10s. 41 13 4 - 90
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE stated there number of polling-places, that would also occasion great Kent .... ...... ••• • .• 2/. 10s. 100 00 ; - 70
were many societies
5/.per cent. 00
Vauxhall -- - ...• • • - 57
which were only enrolled, not established. expense. He thought also that if these measures
West Middlesex .. .. • • 51. ss. pr cut. 63 12 9 ' - 100
were to be adopted, they would have the effect
After a few words from Mr. Ewart, the Solicitor-General G
I or- eneral, looked for by the Hon. Member for Stockport, and CANALS.
and Mr. Rutherford, strangers were ordered to withdraw ; be greatly expedited. This object was given in the assertion
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but Mr. T. Dancombe declined •
pressing the House to a that, • •
division. at, within three years, he would unseat 100 count Mem- Names of e 'Dividend „ Name. of. .1 Dividend
Mr. DITNCOMBE reaumed, and said that he bars, unless they changed their principles and voted Companies. A 1 per '''ce* Companies. 5 peru Price.
11 m.
would alter against the opinions of their constituents and their own. el 1 Annum. t An
'tic phrase, and move for the insertion of the words " -
-
rolled." or en There had been during the present session 36 petitions
£ i £
Sir J. GRAHAM thought that the insertion of against the return of borough Members, of which 29 had A h &
stitn 014 h 97 5/.55. p e 70 Monmouthsh 100 Si. 160
these words been decided on, seven dropped, or one-tenth ef all the bo- As
would entirely alter the meaning of the clause.
by-d-la-Zlll3 4/. 70 Mntgomrysh 100 51. 98
rough Members returned. In the same period there
Mr. T. DUN COMBS conceived that the object of this Billhad Barnsley.. • . ,160 12/. lBO Macclesfield 100 - 38
been but three petitions against county elections, or one- Basingstoke.. 100 - - Neath • .
ought to be to confirm all those societies which had ahead •
sixtieth, of which two had been dropped. This would show B rituk&Abrg 'l5O 5/. 85 Nottinghain . 150 121. 3-
beer, instituted and established, and he should therefore tali Croiniord ... • 100 141. 150 Peak Forest .78 31. 89
, the decided balance, it might be presumed, in favour of the
the sense of the Committee upon it.
honesty of county elections. He would oppose the Bill and DudieY. ••. • • 'I"
4/. - Regent's
Sir J. GRAHAM believed that the Hon. Gentleman did Derby ... •• • '10(/ 61. 73 Rochdale 8.5 41. 77
support the amendment. •
not quite understand the effect which the introduction of the llr BRIGHT .iaid flat there was not an argument now Ellsmre&Chs 1 133 41. Shropshire . • 125 1. -
Erewash •• • .100 321. 'Son Somrset Coal 150 71.1 01. 130
word " or" would have. It would be neither more nor less 1 * '
used against the Bill but what had been employed against the Forth & Clyd 100' 41. - Do.Lk Fdot 12 61. p. c. 11
than the illegalising of the 4,000 societies which were in old system, yet every one, of whatever political party, agreed G randJ anctn ' 100 71. 95 St ffrd &Worcil4o 281. 300
existence before the pessing of the Act.
Grand Union 100 11. lOs - Shrewsbury !125 151.
that the change was a great improvement. The difficulty in .
Mr. T. DUNCOMBEWhat would be the' effect of Glamorgnsh . 172 13%1.. 210 *-
-'
230
Stourbridge 145 201. 250
the way of travelling was much removed, and by railways it (fir Brkly, .00 -
this measure as it now stood with respect to M
- Strtfrdon Av 79 11. 10s. -
.. r. Tidd Pratt. would be easy in most eases to take a whole constituency in a Grantham .. 150 121. 100 Severn and
Why, it would be investing I •
um with privileges of the most short time, if required. Whatever might be 'd Huddersfield ' 5 -Rail.
I 26 11. Ils. 32
enormous amount, and powers which no Government ought of
sal
..
7 - Wye
to demit. the expense of travelling, the expense 'of keeping Kenna & Avii 39 7s. Gd. 104 iTrnt &Mr- 50 30/.
Mr. BICKHAM ESCOTT wished to know whether the the poll open for two days was far greater. He would de- Lancaster ..• '47 11. 105. - sey, 4 sh.l - Leeds& Livrp 100 341. 520 Thams&Med 19 - -
eidedly support the second reading of the Bill.
insertion of these words would have the effect of rendering Mr B. DEN Leicester ..• • 140 101. 105 Worcstr &1
ISON thought there were advantages in Leicstr& 78 21. 44
the 4,000 societies already in existence illegal, and of de- favour of the Nth 83 41. 60 Binning. j
second day's polling which had not been referred Loughboreg ' '
priving them of the privileges which they now possessed ? to. He km 11,142 701. 850 Wilts & Brks G 7 11. II
knew of several instances in which the result of the
Certainly such must be the case if they were rendered illegal. .
first
dair'e ein11;,..-.. i , . -
R.C. Certainly
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is/0 tie; s iO.ll , .'iprti a 2.
FRIENDLY SOCIETIES BILL.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
On clause S beingsproposecl,
Mr. T. PUNCOMBE complained that it was not suffi-
ciently retrospective in its spirit. It provided that all socie-
tiesalready in existence should be valid, provided they had
been duly and prolyerly certified by the officer appointed_ for
that p :Now all societies that had been cetified a. t
all ought to be made valid, and not left open to be upset in
*court of law for nut having been properly certified. 3
Sir J. GRAHAM did not agree with the Hon. sem b
decide
.
It ought still to be left open to the courts of law to decide
whether the existing rules had been complied with or not.
After a few words from Mr. HAWES,
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL explained that any friendly
societies that had been established before the passing of the
Act for the purpose specified ender the four clauses under
consideration, or for any legal purpose which could be cer-
tified, and against which society there should have been no
decision in any court of law of competent jurisdiction,
should be admitted to be within the provisions of the Act,
and entitled to the benefit thereof. In consequence of the
decision of Justice Wightman the words contained in all the
former Friendly Societies' Acts which were considered—
ejusclem genesis—with the societies specified under the
clauses of the present Act were constrained and narrow in
their meaning. The present Act proposed to detail the ob-
jects for which friendly societies might be established beyond
those precise and limited objects contained in the former
Acts. Any societies now existing, and instituted Ibr pur-
poses which accorded with the decision of Justice Wight-
man, but which were not in the terms of this Act, but were
for purposes specified by the four clauses, or for any other
*gal purpose which could be certified according to the fifth
clause of this Act, should be allowed the benefit of the pre-
sent Bill. The object of this Bill was to enlarge the limited
restrictions of the former Act, and to enable parties to
asso-
ciate together for other purposes than those enumerated by
the former Act, and all that was required was that those
purposes should be some of the specified purposes proposed in
the enlarged Act, and for some legal purpose to be allowed
an
by the Attorney-General
md bsith\hSs, which did not reacheeretary of State.
e
After a few words from s r. H
the gallery,
Sir J. GRAHAM objected (as we understood) to any in-
terference or discussion on the subject of the decision of
Justice Wightman. Those friendly societies which now ex-
isted would be exactly in the same condition as if this
Oct were not to be passed. Whether they looked prospec-
tively, or retrospectively, he believed that the clause which
he had proposed would remedy many of the evils which at
present existed in friendly societies.
Mr. T. DUNCOSIBE had no hesitation in saving that if the
proposed clause were agreed to, there were no less than 4,000
friendly societies in this kingdom which were in precisely the same'condition as that of the South Shields Society, to
which allusion had been made, and which had been declared
to be illegal by Mr. Justice Wightman. From the statement
of the Right lion. Baronet it would appear that all those
4,000 societies would now be compelled to come to him or
the Honourable and Learned Solicitor-General for what he
called the privilege of a new constitution.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM—No, no.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE—WeII, then, if they did sot, they
would remain in their present condition at their own peril. The
decision of Mr. Justice Wightman had created alarm, and the
consequence was, that most of the 4,000 friendly societies had
altered their rules in accordance with that decision, and if
the law were now to be altered again they would find them-
selves still in peril. He should therefore propose that, after
the word " established" in the clause, there should be added
the words " enrolled before the passing of this Act."
Mr. ESCOTT said, that with all respect for the decision
of Mr. Justice Wightman, he submitted that the opinion of
his Hon. and Learned Friend the Solicitor-General was quite
as much entitled to respect.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
That judgment might have been wrong; it had not yet been
Appealed against, or decided in a higher court. He should
certainly support the amendment of hie Hon. Friend the
Member for Finsbury.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that he was afraid that
too much importance had been attached to the decision of
Mr. Justice Wightman, but of this he was sure, that too
much importance by far bad been attached to his own
opinion. In fact, he did not recollect what that
opinion was until it had been put into his hands a few
minutes previously. That opinion was offered on an isolated
case; it might happen that the majority of the 4,000 friendly
societies in England were constituted on different principles.
With the single exception of the society declared to be il-
legal they legalised, by the present enactment, every society
which came within the description of those included in the
'first four clauses. They had nothing to do with sitting in
judgment on the decision of Mr. Justice Wightman, and with
reference to those societies included in the oth clause ; they had
only to come forward without expense and without inconve-
nience, and lay their rules before the two officers appointed
for the purpose, and they would at once receive from them a
certificate that the society was of such a nature as to come
within the provisions of the Act, and be legalised accordingly.
Mr. RUTHERFORD stated that the explanation of the
Learned Solicitor-General had removed many of the doubts
which he had entertained upon the subject.
Sir J. GRAHAM made some remarks, which were in-
audible in the gallery.
M. T. DUNCOMBE said that no reason had as yet been
assigned why the words " or entitled " should not be intro-
duced in the clause.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL considered the words ro-
potted to lee introduced perfectly superfluous, and would pnet
at all en rge, but perhaps diminish, the powers of the Bill,
by creating a doubt upon the meaning of the words.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE stated there were many societies
which were only enrolled, not established.
After a few words from Mr. Ewart, the Solicitor-General,
and Mr. Rutherford, strangers were ordered to withdraw -
but Mr. T. Duncombe declined pressing the House to a'
division.
Mr. DUNCOMBE resumed, and said that he would alter
his phrase, and move for the insertion of the words "or en-
rolled."
Sir J. GRAHAM thought that the insertion of these words
would entirely alter the meaning of the clause.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE conceived that the object of this Bill
ought to be to confirm all those societies which had already
been instituted and established, and he should therefore take
the sense of the Committee upon it.
Sir J. GRAHAM believed that the Hon. Gentleman did
not quite understand the effect which the introduction of the
word "or" would have. It would be neither more nor less
than the illegalising of the 4,000 societies which were in
existence before the passing of the Act.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE—What would be the' effect of
this measure as it now stood with respect to Mr. Tidd Pratt.
Why, it would be investing him with privileges of the most
enormous amount, and powers which no Government ought
to deniir.
Mr. BICKHAII ESCOTT wished to know whether the
insertion of these words would have the effect of rendering
the 4,000 societies already in existence illegal, and of de-
priving them of the privileges which they now possessed ?
Certainly such must be the case if they were rendered illegal.
Mr. O'CONNELL said this was quite evident, that
the societies referred to were either legal or illegal. If the
former this Bill could not affect them, and if the reverse,
they could not be injured.
Mr. HAWES conceived that it ought now to be decided
whether the words "or," or "or enrolled" were to be used.
They ought to know what they were dividing upon.
Sir J. GRAHAM begged to be pardoned for interrupting
the Hon. Member, but he must observe that the introduction
of the word " or" would entirely change the meaning of the
whole sentence of the clause.
Mr. HAWES thought they ought to know what they were
going to divide about-
Mr. T. DUN COM RE said his very object was to preserve
the legality of the societies at present in existence, and for
this purpose lie wished to include the word.
After a few words from Mr. RUHRFORD
doub and Sir Da
LACY EVANS, who both objected to anyt being suffered
to remain respecting the sense of the clause, and from
Mr. B. Escorr, who again inquired whether the effect of
the alteration would be to swamp the 4,000 societies,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the observations
of his Learned Friend had been entirely misunderstood ; fur
the fact was, that the effect of this clause would be to legalise
the 4,080 societies alluded to. If the Hon. Member for
Westminster believed that this clause would have the con-
sequence of overruling the decision of Mr. Justice Wightman,
he would beg to tell him that the introduction of these
words would certainly go to that end. And with regard
to the remarks of the Hon. and Learned Member fur Cork,
that these societies were either legal or illegal, he must
say, further, that, without the clause stood as
it was, it would fail to bring those societies
under the influence of the Friendly Societies' Act.
They were told that there were no less than 4,000 existing
societies, and they were called by this ingenious word "or,"
proposed by the Hon. Member for Finsbury, to legalise them
all, whether enrolled or not enrolled.--(No, no.) He main-
tained it was so; that all societies, whether enrolled or not,
whether established for legal or illegal purposes, would be
rendered lawful by the proposed amendment. They ought
to protect themselves against the probability of danger by
the clause as it at present stood, and therefore he must op-
pose the motion.
ESCOTT sail the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
tad niloletztred a singlecsoci;ty of the 4,000 referred to that
]ale. T. DLINCOMISE replied, and said the amendment was
not to legalise all Societies,but to give the 4,000 already
enrolled the benefit of that enactment
at under the proposed
law. If Mr. Tidd Pratt had certified ieties. it would
be Most unfair to deprive them of t's.e .))"
Aft,r a few words from Sir Gcoucse SieltiTC'ittLAzin and Mr.
COWPER in favour of the amendment,
Lord JOHN -MANNERS said, he thought if the
bar-
rister hid certified the legality of the 4,000 societies, it
should
be held valid in their favour.
Sir J. GILIIIAM considered that, as it was possible Mr.
Tidd Pratt might have acted indiscreetly, or without proper
inquiry or information in these enrolmeats, he must finial.;
oppose the proposed amendment.
After a few words from Mr. SPOONER against the amend-
ment, strangers were ordered to withdraw. The House then
divided, when there appeared—
For the Amendment
Against it 93
Majority
Mr. DUNCO MBE then moved that, to the end of the clause,
the following words should be added, "provided also that
existing benefit societies, known under the name of Odd
Fellows, patriotic societies, and ethers instituted for the pur-
poses of making provision for old age, and such other pur-
poses, shall be eligible f. m enrolment." •
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the proviso was either
dangerous or unnecessary. They had already pronounced an
opinion that certain of these societies were illegal, and ought
not to be sanctioned, and, therefore, the proviso was unne-
cessary. There were, however, some of these societies which
carne within the limits of the corresponding Act, and he
should have no objection to bring them within the provisions
of the present Bill, if the Honourable Member fur Hereford
would propose a clause to that effect.
After a few words from Sir DE LACY Ev.isrs and Mr.
SPOONER, the amendment was withdrawn, and the clause
agreed to.

Dividend Amount
Name of Company, per of Paid. Price
Annum. Share.
£ a. 4. X a. d.
Australasia •• • • 61. per cent. 40 0040 0 0 251,i,
Britah North American Si. per cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 44%
Commercial of London 5/. per cent. 100 0 0 20 0 0 2*,
. M. per cent. 100 0 0 25 0 0 16
Londn and Westminstr 61. per cent. 100 0 0 20 0 0 :7
London Joint-Stock ..• 61. per cent. 50 0010 0 0 14
Metropolitan
Frovincial of Ireland.. 81. per cent. 100 0 0 25 0 0 48U Ditto, New. ••••• •• • U. per cent. 10 0 0 10 0 0 1N
National of Ireland .. Si. per cent. 50 0 0 20 0 0 18
Nat. Provncial of Eng. Si. per cent. 100 0 0 35 0 0 3514 Ditto, New... ••• • ; 51. per cent. 20 0 0 10 0 0
Union of Australia.. • • 61. per cent. 25 0 0 2.5 0 0 25
Union of London... • • 5/. per cent. 50 0 0 10 0 0 12

Dividend Amount
Name of Company, per of Paid. Price
Anrum. Share.
/________
Albion .. X s. d. ' .£ s. 4.
........ • • • • 31.106 500 0 0 50 0 0 74
Alliance l''..rit. and For. 6 per cent. 100 0 0 I 11 0 0 19
Ditto Marine.. ... • • 6/. per csnt, 100 0 0 ! 5 0 0 6'.
13s. 6d. pr sh. 50 0 0 1 5 0 0 161,2
British Commercial 75. per share 50 0 0 1 5 0 0 7
Clericl,Med.&Gen.Life ' 51. per cent. 100 0 0 2 10 0 63i
County 3l. 100 0 0 10 0 0
Crown ......... .... 10s. 50 0 0 5 8 0 -
Eagle ........ ...... 6a. 50 0 0 b 0 0 51,4
Economic Life...
/&30s.bs.
Eng.& Scot. Law .. .. • • 51. per cent. 50 0 0 2 0 0 2A,
European Life .... • • 5% per cent. 20 0 0 All paid. 20
Freemasons' .. • • - • • • • 51. per cent. 20 0 0 3 0 0
Globe ......... • • • • • • 6/. per cent. Stock. - 138
Guardian . ... ... • • • • • 51. per cent. 100 0 0 36 10 0 49
Imperial Fire ..
Imperial Life . • • •
Indemnity Marine •
Law Life • ....•
Legal and General Life - 50 0 0 2 0 0 6%
London Fire ........ 10s. 25 0 0 12 10 0 14%
London Ship .... • • - -10 s. 25 0 0 12 10 0 14%
Marine .. ..... • . • • 5/. per cent. 100 0 0 15 0 0 10%
Med. Invlid & Gen. Life 4%1. per ct. 50 0 0 2 0 0 3
National Loan Fund.. 51. per cent. 20 0 0 2 10 0 2%
National Life.
Palla.lium Life ...... • • 51. per cent. 50 0 0 2 0 0 21. 2s.
Phoenix .. .. ..... .. . • 3/. p. et. & bs. - - 205
Protector Life.... • • • 5/. per cent. 20 0 0 1 0 0 11. 4s.
Provident Life...... • • 1/. ss. 100 0 0 10 0 0 23
Rock Life .. 4s. 5 0 0 0 10 0 4%
Royal Exchange Si. per cent. Stock. -- 180
Sun Fire . • - - 210
Ditto Life ..... ... • • 1/. 6s. - - 49
Universal Life .. ..... 10%1. pr cnt 100 0 6 15 0 20

The SPEAKER—The Hon. Member cannot speak respect-
ing a Committee which has not made its report.
Mr. NEWDEGATE apologised, and proceeded to say that
if the same plan were to be adopted as that which the
Hon. Member for Stockport (Mr. Cobden) had said would
be used by the Anti-Corn-law League—that was to collect
a large number of voters at the railway stations in a neigh-
beuring county, and pour them down the polling-places—
this would occasion great inconvenience, and if it was
proposed to obviate that inconvenience by an increased
number of polling-places, that would also occasion great
expense. He thought also that if these measures
were to be adopted, they would have the effect
looked for by the Hon. Member for Stockport, and
be greatly expedited. This object was given in the assertion
that, within three years, he would unseat 100 county Alem-
bars, unless they chanted their principles and voted
against the opinions of their constituents and their own.
There had been during the present session 36 petitions
against the return of borough Members, of which 29 had
been decided on, seven dropped, or one-tenth of all the bo-
rough Members returned. In the same period there had
been but three petitions against county elections, or one-
sixtieth, of which two had been dropped. This would show
the decided balance, it might be presumed, in favour of the
honesty of county elections. He would oppose the Bill and
support the amendment. •
Mr. BRIGHT said that there was not an argument now
used against the Bill but what had been employed against the
old system, yet every one, of whatever political party, agreed
that the change was a great improvement. The difficulty in
the way of travelling was much removed, and by railways it
would be easy in most cases to take a whole constituency in a
short time, if required. Whatever might be said
of the expense of travelling, the expense of keeping
the poll open for two days was far greater. He would de-
cidedly support the second reading of the Bill.
Mr. B. DENISON thought there were advantages in
favour of the second day's polling which had not been referred
to. He knew of several instances in which the result of the
first day's polling had been entirely changed the second day.
There was no analogy between the position of the
boroughs and the counties in point of distance and travelling.
Nor did he see any necessity for the change, as not any of
the counties, or the parties interested, had at all complained
of the present practice.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, that if the Hon. Member
wished to press his motion, he would say a few words.
He considered the Bill, not so much respecting its
effect on candidates, as on elections generally. He
was decidedly of opinion that it was not expedient or politic
to reduce the present period for the taking of votes in counties.
The paramount question with them should be, not whether,
it would reduce the expenses of candidates, but whether it
woulti interfere with the due latitude necessary for the increase
of the franchise. Tried by this test, he did not think the Bill
necessary as required by the exigencies of the case. He
quite agreed in the statement of the Hon. Member for
the West Riding of Yorkshire that there was no analogy
between boroughs and counties. The change made
on the previous law was a salutary one, reducing borough
elections to one day and counties to two, but he did not
think there should be any further alteration. With respect
to borough elections, the restriction to one day extended
only to a range of seven miles, but in the counties there
was no limitation. He could see no reason why they should
depart from the rule established, and he did not consider the
period of two days was any inconvenience to voters. He
rather considered that it was in favour of the franchise
than anything else. He would therefore vote against the
second reading of the Bill.
Sir R. INGLIS said that polling-places were not more dis-
tant from each other than a mile in towns and cities, and
were within the radius of a circle extending six miles
in counties, and he therefore did not see that the Bill was
necessary.
Mr. B. ESCOTT said he would vote for the second reading
of the Bill, for, in his opinion, mal-practices tookplace
most on the second day of polling. The Hon. Member for
Middlesex thought otherwise, for the purity of his elec-
tion—(Hear, hear)—no doubt led him to that opinion.
But he had had some experiences in country elections,
and the erening between the first and second day vas a
vary tempting opprtivity to those who hung round
the booths, and who had probably promised their votes to one
party, yet gave them to the other.
Colonel SIBTHORP said he had a vote for five counties,
and that he would be sorry to see the day when the free
circulation of money at elections would be checked.
Lord G. BENTINCK said the Hon. Member for Win-
ctlitae,s, tge.r.
Theatd
dsiedokaenn,,ot
hf
eche cHoned ueoc trdoifaltllziosceonwehuor
rperdo
witehd one
Honourable Member in his reprobation of such persons,
a,_n,d hoped, he would apply those principles to
own conuuct, and that he would recollect, at
theele electors
ofd Winchesterssiononthon%cotrzlaws, that he promised the
thethwe-ounlmdenndo_t
do another. In conclusion, lie Ngs-C-Zlthat
rnTieinetßono.f
gentlemantlllenthoettr:Nalbelme
Durham had argued
upon Gallant Gentleman.
upon the ill effects of the old system, but it must be
bored that there was a wide difference between the re-
being
open for fifteen days and only fur two. He had the Po
right of
voting in three counties, and as he did not wish to be dis-
franchised, he should vote against the Bill.
Mr. B. ESCOTT wished the Noble Lord making
observations relative to the opinions and wislesbefore
of his (Mr..
Escott's) constituents, would convince
himself that his • Mr.
in-
formation on the subject could be relied Had the
Noble Lord been with him last week, he
would
more accurate information than the Noble Lord _ ve gleaned
had appeared
to be in possession cf.
The House then dividdd, when there appeared—
For the Second Reading
32
Against it
55
Majority against it
—23
RAILWAY DEPOSITS BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
COMMONS INCLOSURE BILL.
This Bill Isis read a third time and passed.
The remaining orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at six o'clock.

COURT OF ALDERMEN.
On Tuesday a Court was held fur the dispatch of
business.

THE CITY PRISONS.
Alderman SIDNEY said it had been stated in a former
Court, that the Lord Mayor had received a communica-
tion from the Secretary of State for the Home Depart-
ment, calling the attention of his Lordship to the report
of the inspectors of gaols, regarding the condition of the
City gaols. He wished to be informed whether any
answer had been sent to that communication ?
The LORD MAYOR said that no other answer had been
returned than the verbal answer given by himself to Sir
James Graham, to the effect that the Committee had
agreed to recommend that a new gaol should be erected
instead of the Giltspur-street Compter, and that no
doubt that recommendation would be carried out.
Alderman SIDNEY observed that certainly no motion
to the effect of building a new gaol had been carried in
the Court of Aldermen.
The LORD MAYOR—I merely spoke of the Committee.
Upon the motion for votes of thanks to the Bishop of
St. David and the Rev. Charles Farebrother, Chaplain
to the Lord Mayor, for the Spital sermons preached
on Easter Monday and Easter Tuesday, at St. Bride's
Church and Christchurch,
Sir PETER LAURIE, who seconded the motion, said
he could not help expressing much satisfaction at the
sermon preached at St. Paul's on Sunday last before the
Jukes, by Archdeacon Hale, when the Venerable
Archdeacon denounced the mummeries which had re-
cently been introduced into the Church service, and
recommended a strict adherence to the good old customs.
The propositions were carried unanimously.
THE ATTEMPT TO ASSASSINATE THE KING OF THE

FRENCH.

Alderman FAREBROTHER rose, and said he knew
mast strongly upon the late atrocious attempt to assassi-
at there was not a man in the Court who did not feel
nate the King of the French.—( Loud cries of " Hear,
hear.") It was impossible to contempE to the escape his
Majesty had had without the highest satisfaction, and he
could not allow an opportunity to pass without express-
ing the sentiments of the Court upon the providential
deliverance of that most excellent and illustrious
monarch, whose loss would not only have been severely
telt by France itself; but by every part of civilised
Europe.—(Cheers.) All knew the regard which our I
own most gracious Sovereign entertaided for the King of
the French—an additional motive for declaring the sense
which her Majesty's subjects had, in common with the
population of France, of the providential escape of due
King.—(Cheers.) lie wished to see the feeling perly ,
tuated, and he considered that the Court ought at ~.tn 2e
to express their great regret that any one could be ",:ou nd
in his Majesty's dominions capable of so diabeTficalt a
crime as an attempt upon the life of a sovereign, so de-
r every erre; pect
civilised o f h
ins apt ieoonp. l—C
e '
?
s q welleer as
o7vtliinegaodfmtihraetiloonveo
A member here asked whether there waa ay.iy p e-
dent for such a proceeding as the one suggessVed ?
(is.)
Alderman FAREBROTHER said it did .not signify
whether there existed an edent or 71 oh—(1-lear.)
It was quite impossible form moment to think of the
warm reception which the King of the l'r each gave to
tho Corporation upon the occasion of his ; Majesty's visit
to Queen Victoria, or to the members of that Court at
St. Cloud, with any feelings but those of -the deepest ve-
neration and gratitude. Mr. Ald erma; a Farebrother
then moved that an address be presented_ to the King of
the French, congratulating his Majesty upon his late
happy deliverance from the band of an a ettassin.
Sir P. LAURIE French had derived as secondedmu ch the motion. 'The King of the dress presented to him b gratificatio aii from the ad-
y the Corporati, ),,i of London
from any circumstance connected wit h his as
vist to this country. The escape of his Majesty Majesty's
was an
incident of a most providential character.
. He seemed to
have a charmed life—a life prote td l-
c-c -ly an inscrutable
arrangement for the benefit of his own; :great country,
(H(Hear.) for the service of the whole Europe/kn. community.
ear.) No man, in fact, had, beers so frequently
attacked or so wonderfully preserved.
Sir CHAPMAN MARSHALL said he ha 3 no doubt that
the other Court would adopt -similar pvc ,ceedings at the
next meeting, and both Courts would t,Agree and co-op-
perate. Formerly there used to start up an injurious
jealo• alousy between the Ceurt of Alderm en and Court of
usy
Common Council, but that sort of feeding ; he rejoiced to
say no longer existed.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir GEORE CARROLL said that Altderm In Farebrother
had anticipated him in moving the address to his most
gracious Majesty the King of the French. It was im-
possible that any man conld be be tter entiti'ed than he
(Sir G. Carroll) to join in a vote of Ta conol`
~. ulation to
the illustrious Sovereign, for he was one Of thoCe mem
bers of the Court who had been treated in so distin-
guished a manner by his Majesty at the palace of St.
Cloud, where the King entertajAed thaw, together Tith

RAILWAY COMMITTEES

On clause 9 being proposed,
Mr. SPOONER objected to the rules of a society being
referred for the decision of one individual without any appeal.
There was an immense deal of property and the interests of
a vast number of perms involved in this decision, and there
ought to be an appeal of souse sort or other.
*Sir JAMES GRAHAM such a course would
productive of delay and expense
; ad, on the whole, he was
Inclineel to think the decision oughteto
He had confidence in the skill ana be lefft to one barrister.
and, with the assistance of the judges, /aohilictr. Tidd Pratt;
no doubt that
gentleman would do justice to all arties.
Mr. SPOONER said that he could not
this clause. alter hia opinion on
Mr. T. DUNCOMI3E wished to know if the present clause
would confirm or annul the enrolments of Mr. Tidd Pratt ?
He believed the Attorney-General had had a contest with
that gentleman. He was not aware who got the worst of it.
Mr. SPOONER said they were about to give a very great
power to one man over large and important interests.
Mr. GRAINGER was of opinion that the clause would
add a great expense to the parties interested.
112 e SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that under the clause

(YESTERDAY.)

1 Sub-Committee No. 3.
This Committee did not meet till a quarter-past one
o'clock, there not being a sufficient number of Members pre-
sent to form a quorum. At that hour, however, there were
present Mr. Aglionby (chairman), Mr. E. Buller, and
another Hon. Member, and the case of the