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Bury Gas (to be considered).
tntield Chase Road (to be considered).
Great Western Railway.
Siutb- Eastern Railway (No. 11—Branch from Rye to
ItYe Harbour).
tlochester Bride.
Inclosure and Drainage.
Bermingham Cemetery.
London and South-Western Railway (Hampton Colin
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London and South-Western Railway (C'nertsey and
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triston Waterworks.
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of the Legislature by so large a majority, and that it should he
resel by as large'a majority as could be obtained for it :With'
the consent of the Hoti-e, therefore, he should move for the
fisst reading of this Bile He did this with a perfect conviction
that the Hon. Member for Limerick' might he correct in his
assertion, that in the present state of parties in that House,
her Majesty's Government might be left in a small minority.
But so long as they continued servants of the Crown, and so
long as they continued in office, there was but one course
which they could consent to pursue. They might give place
to that minority, but they bad, whilst they retained the
power, a paramount duty to perform in providing for the
public security. if it should be the opinion of that House that
they should continue the public servants of the Crown, it was
their duty to express their impression of the course which her
Majesty's Government might take. While, then, they fully
conceived the necessity of carrying the Corn Bill as early as
possible, they at the same time thought it necessary to avow
their concurrence in the support of the Irish Bill. He felt it
necessary to press on the House that his sincerity on this ques-
tion was unfeigned, and he was satisfied that the House would
consider that it was for the interests of Ireland that the discus-
sion on, and the first reading of, this Bill should no longer be
delayed. The Right Honourable Baronet, who objected
to his motion, regarded it only as a consideration of policy,
on which it was unnecessary to alter the usual course
of this House. ' But the Honourable Member for
Limerick had threatened a course of opposition against any
infringement of the rules of the House on this measure.
It would be very mischievous if any delay took place in re-
gard to this measure. He was satisfied it was for the public
good to persevere in bringing forward this measure, and he
should be unworthy of the co fidence of the Members of that
House if he thought of entertaining such a threat. Those
Members of the House who, as individuals, opposed the pro-
gressing of this measure, mint be aware that the responsibility
would rest with them ; but he thought the responsibility would
rest with her Majesty's Ministers to do their duty by pressing
this measure on the attention of the House by every means in
their power, and by such facts and reasoning as they felt it ne-
cessary to adduce on the present occasion. It was necessary to
inforie the House of everything which would influence their
decision on this measure, and that any indefinite postponement
on the part of her Majesty's Government on a Bill so materi-
ally affecting Ireland would have a most prejudicial effect. He
had told them the exact position of the case. He was aware
of the position in which her Majesty's Government were
placed. They were sincere in their determination to use every
effort to obtain a decision on the Corn Bill at the earliest period,
but, on the other hand, they were sincere in their proceedings
in regard to this measure. He had stated his views to the
:louse, and it was for them to determine what course they
shoald ad ipt ; but his own judgment was unshaken, that a re-
fusal to entertain the proposal of Government would be in-
jurious to the interests of the country.
Mr. F , SHAW rose, for the purpose of offering a
few observations on the measure. Looking at the present
lamentable insecurity of life, and property, and person in Ire-
land, if her Majesty's Ministers brought forward a measure
which they deemed • calculated for the protection of life, he
should not feel justified in taking upon himself the responsi-
bility of opposing it; but he was not particularly sanguine of
.he success of the present measure, as the course pursued by
the Government was no great earnest of their sincerity.—
( Cheers.) The Hon. Baronet (Sir W. Somerville) stated
t hat, though the House met on the 22d of January, yet it was
near a month before the measure was introduced into the H else
of Lords. Now, in the ease of '1833, referred to by the Right
Hon. Secretary for the Home Department, the House met on
the 29th of January, and the measure was passed the Lords by
the 22d of February tollowing.—(Hear, hear.) Now for the
manner in which the present Bill had been conducted through
the Lords. He should say that it came to the Commons not
the same Bill at all that it was.—( Hear, hear.) Nothing but
a great necessity could justify any extraordinary infringement
of a constitutii nal measure. If such existed, then the Bill
should be adequate to such necessity ; and, in his opinion, the
Government should not seek for more than they required, nor,
at the same time, should they be content with less.—( Hear.)
He believed the original Bill was totally altered—indeed, he
might say, exchanged for another ; and he also believed that
the Government did not possess sufficient moral weight with
the Irish party -at that side of the House to give the measure
effect.—(Protectionist cheers.) He (Mr Shaw) believed all
the Irish Members would oppose it.—(Loud cheers from
the Opposition benches.) He observed, on the night of the last
great division in that House, that not more than three or four
Irish independent Members voted with Ministers ; and he sup-
posed they would not have even that number on the present
occasion.—( Cheers and laughter.) He (Mr. Shaw) should
state that if the Government had from the first administered
the law with firmness and temper, the existing law
would be sufficient.—(Cheers from Irish Members on
the Opposition benches ) He did not think they had done
so from the commencement of the monster meetings and agita-
tion to the present day. On the contrary, they showed a
spirit of co opromise, a spurious spirit of conciliation—a passing
by of their best men from unworthy fears, and a tampering
with the inferior class on the other side, from equally unworthy
hopes.—(Opposition cheers.) Yes, they had traded on the
generosity of their friends, and on the meanness of their oppo-
nents.—( Cheers and counter cheers.) Under these circum-
stances they were without a party to give them support in Ire-
land. He did not blame the local and executive Government
of that country, because no independence of action was left
them, they being intrusted and directed imperatively by
the Ministry at this side of the Channel.—( Hear, hear.)
The Right Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary of State, would say
that his opposition to her Majesty's Government was owing to
disappointment, in not being appointed Chief Secretary far Ire-
hind. Now, if the House would allow him a few minutes—
(Cheers)—if the House would indulge him for a short time,
he would reply to that most unwarrantable attack on him.—
(Cheers.) He would have no special pleading—n) o quibbling
on words.—(Cries of " Order," and " Oh, oh."
The SPEAKER hoped that the Hon. Gentleman dis-
tinctly tinders' ood that he could not, without the permission of
the House, allude to a former debate that had taken place in
that House.
Mr. SHAW was aware that he could not do so without the
indulgence of the House, but he submitted that this was an
occasion when the House should concede to him that privilege.
—(1-leer, hear, and cheers.) He did not wish any quarrel
about words, but if the attack of the Right Hon. Baronet
mean, any thing, it meant that he ( :11r. Shaw) wished to job
the office which he held as Recorder of the City of Dublin
for the Chief Secretaryship of Ireland. That was the marrow
of the charge. He would not quarrel about words: he would
give the widest latitude to his observations. With regard to
the Recordership of Dublin, when the Right Hon. Baronet
was settled in office in 1842, he (Mr. Shaw) was in
constant communication with him, and he submitted
at that time a proposition to the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman that the office required regulation ;
and if his suggestions with respect to the local and judicial
officers had been adopted, there would have been a saving to
the country of 3,0t10/. per annum.—(Hear, hear.) But he
admitted fully that the office would have been made more in-
dependent and comfortable than it was at present. But he
did not do that as a humble supplicant for favour.—( Hear,
hear.) He felt the difference between the Right. Honourable
Baronet, the Minister of the Crown, and an humble individual
like myself, but still he conferred with him upon this and all
other measures in a tone of perfect independence. He ad-
Mitred that he did confer with the Right tion. Baronet at the
head of her Majesty's Government on the occasion alluded to.
He conferred also with the Right lion. Baronet the Secretary
State for the Home Department, but he did not care if he
published upon every market-cross in England everything he
had ever said during those conferences.—( Hear, hear.) He
had conferred also with Sir Thomas Fremantle, and the other
Members of the Government, and the result was this—they
said that considering that the judicial office which he now oc-
cupied was now in the hands of•the Crown, and he (Mr.
Shaw), as a Member of the Hons.. of Commitris. had better be
excluded from the House, as had been the case with Dr. Lush-
ington and all the Masters of Chancery. lie never remonstrated
against their proposition, he never complained ; it never gave
him the slightest annoyance. But with respect to office, he
had never in bs life vetrured to ask for the office of Chief
Secretary for Ireland; and if he had, he felt that it would be
unworthy for a Minister of the Crown, and unbecoming the
ordinary dealing between gentlemen. that s ich communications
should be divulged for the purpose of producing a temporary
effect to save the ends of a particular party, and he thought that
the individual who would impute such unworthy proceedings
was void of generosity ; but what would they say or think of the
minister or man, when he declared that upon his word there
was not one word of truth in the charge that had been ma le
against him. He would now make his appeal to the Right
Hoe. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government, for the
purpose of clearing himself from the tharges levelled against
him. The history of his communication with Government was
this—when the Right Hon. Baronet had returned from abroad
in the year 1844, and resumed the reins of Government, he
asked him (Mr. Shaw) to accept office, but he declined, for the
simple reason that he was the representative for the University
of Dublin, and that he could not accept any judicial
office which should compel him to give up his
seat in the House. For many years he was in
the habit of almost daily communicating with the Right Hon.
Baronet, and he co-operated with him under very trying cir-
cumstances, and in some painful difficulties, of which he (Mr.
Shaw) believed he was not aware; and now, with confidence,
he would ask if eider he had been actuated by selfish or personal
motives? But be that as it might, he (Mr. Shaw) solemnly
averred this, that from the conversation he had referred to as
having taken place in the year 1844, up to the present mo-
ment, he never did apply to the Government for any office
whatsoever. He never contemplated the office of Irish Se-
cretary, nor any other under the sun, except the office which
he now held, which was enough for him to preserve his in-
dependency. It was strange that the Right Hon. Gentleman had
not before alluded to this subject. He allowed three days
to elapse, and then came down to this House to
open this adjourned debate, at a late hour ot
the night, premeditatedly to fix a charge against
him (Mr. Shaw) which had not the slightest foundation
in truth. It was a low vulgarism, and a mere talk of local
newspaper. He challenged him to produce a scintilla, or toe
slightest tittle of evidence to prove the charge. The Right
Hon. Baronet had also said, that seeing the Government about
to fall, he (Mr. Shaw) sitting behind him, had thought proper
to kick them. But if he meant that they, because they sat
behind the Government, were to support the Government
of the Right Hon. Baronet, they were greatly mistaken. The
Government were fallen ; yes, he lamented to say, they were
fallen both in power and in character. He believed the Right
Hon. Secretary of State for the Home Department was the evil
genius of the Government, and fully realised the prophecy th•t
was made some years since, that no Caeinet of which the Right
Hon. Baronet was a member would last long in England. He
(Mr. Shaw) felt no resentment against her Majesty's Minis-
ters. He felt the greatest respect and esteem for the Right
Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government, and only re-
gretted that he had fallen into the hands of the Right Hon.
Secretary of State. The opinion he had of that Right Hon.
Baronet he could not express in languase which would be cor-
rect in the ears of the House, arid it would therefore be the
better plan for him to refrain of giving any opinion of his cha-
racter. ( The Hon. Gentleman sat down amidst loud cries of
'" Order, order.")
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said the Learned Recorder of
Dublin had complained of the manner in which he had alluded
to him on &former occasion. There were two charges of which
he had been accused of having brought against him. He ( Sir
James Graham) had no objection to make any explanation.
The allusion which he had first made with respect to the Irish
Secreiaryshtp. was made prospectively with reference to the
formation of a protection Government. With reference to the
second charge, the House would recollect that, in the course
of the last Session, he had-stated that he had never been his
(Sir James Graham's) friend—that he had only a political and
parliamentary acquaintance with him ; and he drew a distinc-
tion between him and the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head
of the Government. No confidential communication had ever
taken place between them. He was perfectly justified in act-
ing as he had done, with respect to the transactions which had
taken place within three months of his acceptance of office.
An application was made to him, that the office of Recorder of
Dublin should be endowed with a retiring pension of 2,0001
a-year. He returned an answer that he could net be a party to
any such aereement, and if the Right Hon. Gentleman referred
to the Session of 1.42, he found in the letter stated, why he
could not agree to that proposition. He therefore csnsidered,
that being a public matter, he was fully justified in reverting
to it.
Mr. BENJAMIN H AWES made a few observations, which
were quite inaudible in the gallery, in consequence of the

ceived deputations from the most influentiel
commerdial . bodies tiar.tbetit. the length and.
breadth of the hind, whistle . in equally carne-t
language, entreated the House to interpose its authority
to prevent any unnecessary delay in this measure.- ft
was not in Etieland alone that this delay was felt. He
had received communicatiens from Ireland, from parties
by no means favourable to the policy of the subject,
deprecating the delay that had taken place, and hoping
that the U eise would come to some decision on the mea-
sure, as trade and calismerce were at a steed still from
the delay, and stating. that unless a speedy decision was
come to on the measure things would get worse, and the
commercial interest of the country would be in a very
distressed state. It was unnecessary for him to enlarge
on the mischief which would be caused by the post-
ponement of this measure. He might be told that
THIRD READINGS. In making this motion he was pursuing a ceurse
The following Bills were read a third time and passed, not usually adapted, and that he should not object to
ais,;_e a the first reading of the Bill when sent down to
Brighton, Lewes, and Hastings Railway (Deviations and the Lords. There were cases when they were not to
Branches).listen to these rules. He he'ieved it was competent for
Brighton and Chichester Railway (Steyning Branch). any Merrib-4 at any time to object to a first reading of
South-Eastern Railway (No, 4—from Tuebridge Wells the Bill. The Bill contained enactments of great seve-
te Hastings and Rye). rity, and it suspended the Constitution of this country
M▪
r. HODGSON RUNDE moved, on the further con in Ireland ; and if those who disapproved of the men-
reration of the report of the Sunderland Docks Bill, sure were not to have the opportunity of
the f• ollowing verbal amendments :—Clause 134—in the dissenting from it, it would be useless to send
first line, to omit " such ;in the second line, to omit • the Bill for the consid. ration of the House.
4 Said." Clause 135—before " Corporation," to insert Why were they then called upon to discuss the measure,
said."--Agreed to. or were the Government really serious in their intention
lic}ir. G. HOPE reported from the Committee on Group on the matter ?—(Hear, hear.) Let him call the atten-
• 4 that they had adjourned until after Easter, as lion of the House to the mode and manner in which the
t'ttny of the bills in the group were not yet before the Bill was to he brnuttht forward He should ask his
cternittee. fellow-country men on the opposite side of the House i f they
The report was ordered to he laid on the table. seriously thought that transporting a man from his family,
LONDON AND SALISBURY RAILWAY. for being out of his house after a certain hour, would
Mr..„ BANKES presented petitions from several places arrest the arm of the noonday assassits, or did they
is Ihrsetshire in favour of this railway. think that such would avail ? (" Hear, hear," from the
OLDHAM RAILWAY. Ministerial benches.) Now, as to the bill itself; it was
e Mrs BROTHERTON presented petitions in faiour of on the 22d day of January that her most gracious
'4e Oldham railways. Majesty, its her speech from the throne, called the
~at
WEST OF SCO ELAND JUNCTION. tention of the House to the state of Irslend and the
Mr.
,r. HASTIE presented petitions in favour of the unfortunate prevalence of assassination that existed
"est of Scotland Junction Railway. therein. Now, he wished to ask if it was not
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. the first duty of Government to enact measures
honeßir A. CLIFFORD appeared, and summoned the calculated to ensure safety and protection for life ?
at e to appear at the bar of the House of Lords, to (" Hear, hear," from the Ministerial benches.) Now,
bear
her Majesty's royal assent given by Commission supposing the Government to he sincere in their inten-
be several Bills (for which see Lords' report). tions, and that they thought the present rill would he
Its the course of a few minutes the SPEAKER re- effectual, ought they to have allowed a single day
t11"d and informed the House that the royal assent to pass, after the Bill had passed the Lord..
bad been given in the House of Lords to several Bills. without introducing it ?—(Thar, hear.) But what was
Sir ANDREW ',Erni HAY presented a petition the course proposed ? Was the measure brought on in
signed by the inhabitants of seven parishes in Aberdeen, the first. week or fortnight ? Not at all. Was
Praying that the measure with respect to the corn-laws it brought in in three weeks after ?No ; and
11(ia, under the consideration of her Majesty's Govern- a month nearly was allowed to pass before the Life
meat might speedily pass into a law. Protection Bill (according to the notions of Ministers)
An Hoer. MEMBER (whose name we could not learn) was introduced to their Lordships. And when the Bill
Ptesented a petition from Warrington in Lancashire, had been introduced into the Lords, had there been
praying that the measures proposed by her Majesty's any particular speed or dispatch evinced in getting it
Government with respect to the corn-laws might speedily throne h?By no meant.—(Hear, hear.) The measure
Pass into a law. The lion. Meath: r also presented was not introduced until the 10th of February to the Lords,
several other petitions from the same place in favour of who did not pass it before the 13th of Mirch ; and here they
II limitation of the hours of labour. were at that moment, on the 3ath of March, about to take the
Mr. P. BORTHWICK presented a "most nu first reading. Now, was it by any means uncharitable to
I,9tisly signed petition" in favour of the Ten Hours think, such being the circumstances, that the Government was
ta serious in bringing on the me ure at all ?—( Hear, hear.) The
Labour Bill.
the
Irish Members felt themselves called upon to interpose, as
Sir JAMES GRAHAM presented a petition from
they could not consent to the first reading of the Bill ; and
: High Sheriff and grand jury of the county 01 why, he wished to know, were they then called upon to enter
Leitrim , which was adopted at the late spring assizes, in into a debate on this disagreeable question, and thus cause
favour of the Government Bill for the Suppression of delay to the progress of a measure (the Corn Bill) in the
eritne of Ireland. speedy enactment of which the entire people of England were
day Mr. WILLIAMS gave notice that, on the order of the concerned?—( Hear.) He wished to address a few words to
the protectionist party, and in particular to the Noble Lord
the
being read for going into a Committee of Supply on
~'lO Estimates, he would call the attention of the House (Lord G. Bentinck) the leader of that party.—(Hear.) He
was aware that he had laid great stress upon the peculiar
t"! the defective mode adopted in manning the navy, and
importance of the question of the corn-law. He knew that
o the manner in which courts-martin) are conducted. many gentlemenopposite might not be so anxious for the corn-
THE VICTORY UPON THE SUTLEJ. law as gentlemen on that side of the House, and many might
Sir ROBERT PEEL give notice that, on Thursday in consequence vote for any measure that would have the effect
neat he would move a vote of thanks to Sir H. Smith of postponing the corn-law. A Noble Lord opposite (Lord
flit'
the glorious victory gained on the 28th January last G. Bentinek) said that he would give every encouragement
"ter the Seikhs on the banks of the Sutlej. to the Government in carrying through the Bill if the ;corn-
THE MILITIA. law measure was postponed. Now, might he
.presume to
Dr. BOWRING gave notice that he would, in a few entreat the Noble Lord to see in what position he was placed
.1/nings, ask the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary- by that proposal. The Government were about to do what he
suggested they should do, and were ready to postpone for a
4e4Var, whether any arrangements had been made for
few weeks its consideration. The party with whom
calling out the militia.
the Noble Lord was connected, if they voted with the
CHARING CROSS BRIDGE.
In reply to a question from Sir DE LACY EVANS, Noble Lord, would vote, therefore, on these grounds for the
postponement of the corn-law question. He (Sir W. Somer-
Siro. R. PEEL said that the Coaatnittee for the purpose vile) hoped, however, that they would look upon this measure
te; Inquiring into the merits of the Bill at present in the as a question to sut,serve political convenience, and that they
ruse, to enable the proprietors of the Charing-cress would not trifle with the feelings of the people of Ireland by
'ridge to sell it to another party, would be appointed in regarding it in that light. It was possible that the Noble Lord
4 few days. might have the Government of the country entrusted to him.—
... Mr. COLLETT wished to know whether the pro- (Laughter. ) Yes, it might be so, for it was impossible to say
rters of other projects interested in the report would what might be the case in the future course of events, and he
l'a heard before the Committee ? hoped that they would not vote for the measure on any other
Sir. PEEL was uuderstook to say, that the Com- grounds than the claims and merits which the Government
R would put forward on its behalf. Having said thus much, he
tl:tit.tee would take into consideration any subject thought it was better for him to decline making any further ob-
,eh:h came within their=2trOvinee, but they would only servations at present. The discussion would create angry feel-
"it
into consileration those Bills which had been pre- bags, and be a source of great irritation, and he was of opinion
sensed to Parliament .luring the present session. that it would be better to postpone it than to embitter the good
JEWS IN RUSSIA. feelings which then prevailed in the House. It would be bet-
tor.l, IL BERKELEY wished to ask the Right Hon. ter also for the Government to pospons it. The Bill never
r.,,ronet (Sir Robert Peel) whether he was aware that could be sanctioned by the Irish Members on his (the Opposi-
Li" Emperor of Russia had issued an ukase for the ex- Lion) side of the House.—( Hear, hear.) He hoped that the
little.sion of the Jews from that country ? Government would take advantage of the delay that must of
v Sir ROBERT PEEL said he received some informa- necessiftyhoeccilioru, and
theirhe chaellredriug upon them to pli,a,iceeduephon
rtshe
!e'll on the subject, one or two years ago, to the effect tableTh er
There was
doli measures.—(Loud res
The—Governmenete had
t abunranceofettime Ito
that an ukase had been issued by the Emperor, not fir told the House that they had in preparation a landlord and
the expulsion of the Je es from the territory, but for tenant Bill (Hear, hear) let them place it upon
nearer
their removal from the frontier towards the interior, cud the table of the House. Let them also place upon the table
c_earer India. He understoo • however, that the order of the House a Franchise Bill ; let them bring forward a
Was suspended and not carried in,o effect. Bill for the amendment of the municipal corporations.—
THE CATHOLIC PRIEST OF THE 50TH (Hear.) And he was certain that if they did so they would
REGIMENT. have a better chance of getting this m tasure passed, although,
Mr- O'CONNELL wished to ask the Right Hon. as he had befose said, the present severity of the Bill never
could be
Asanndctiiofne,
they
by the Irish Members on his side of the
Gentleman, the Secretary-at-War (Mr. S. Herbert), if the y did they would al to the
statement which had been put forward in the newspapers House.e of Ireland thate their attention no4t°bpeeronvedirectecl
that a Catholic priest in attendance in his spiritual ett- . people
to the punishment of evil-doers, but that the well-
Tetchy on the Catholic soldiers of this regiment in India. behaved, the well-conducted, and the patient, would have their
and who had been killed in one of the recent engage- share of consideration, on the part of the Government; and
teems on the banks of the Sutlej, was refused any re- that there were also Bilis in preparation, not of severity alone,
teuneration for his services, or any accommodation for but such as would tend to increase the welt-being of the
Idae conveyance of his baggage from place to place, and country, and produce peace and happiness throughout the
that he was compelled to pay for such transmission out whole of Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) He had promised to at-
Of his own purse, was true ? tend to the particular merits of the Irish Assassination Bill,
Mr. S. HERBERT said he had received no further in- and he had scrupulously endeavoured to do so. He had
avoided, as far as he could. the introduction of any irritating
unenation on the subject than that furnished in the topic.—( Hear.) He had been actuated, he could assure the
Columns el the I)ellti Gazette. Government and the Hou'e, by the sincerest motives in brine-
.SPIRITUAL INS [RUCTION TO THE CATHOLIC ing forward his motion. He conceived that if they pr-"o-
SOLDIERS IN INDIA. • ceeded with the first reading of this Bill it would be detri
Mr. O'CONNELL inquired if any provision had been mental to the best interests of the country.—(Cheers.) He,
bade for affording spiritual instruction to the Catholic therefore, begged leave to negative the motion of the Right
soldiers in India during the present war ? Hon. Baronet.
Mr. S. HERBERT said 2.500/. was distributed in that Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN then proceeded to address the
Part; of India tor the instruction of Catholic soldiers. On Heusein a very indis'incta tone of voice, and said, ine the course
t
the average 60,0001. a year was distributed in different of his. observations, that tsht
tthettf th Bill werer
months,procedeedw ,
would lastand which,
Parts of India among these soldiers, under the direction would
tbringingedinovfolvacon ,
contest
to Ireland,would only exasperate their
of the Governor-General. The Board of Directors a
feelingsine against the English Government. He would appeal
the East India Company had recently passed a resolu to the Right Honourable Gentleman, whether it was well.
lien authorising the Governor-General to increase that timed to bring in such a measure, when the people of Irelaed
amount it he saw a necessity for doing so The subject were in a state of starvation Let him remind the Right Hon.
should receive the most earnest attention of the Govern- Gentleman ( Sir J. Graham) that he had only 120 supporters
kent in that House, and he would therefore like to know how he
After a few words from Mr. O'CoNNELL and Sir J. could expect to carry a Bill of this kind atainst the formidable
Iteetesee, the subject droered. opposition which was arrayed against him. He could only
GRAND JURIES (IRELAND). calculate on the support of a small portion who sat on the
Mr. CALEB PO WELL wished to ask the Right Hon. same side as themselves, as he ( Sir James Graham) did.
He did not think he Geld enter into negotiations with
Isar onet if it was the intention of her Majesty's Govern- Honourable Members on his side of the House, because the
went to introduce any measure for an alteration of the Right Honourable Baronet, the Member for Tamworth, had
I Present grand jury system in Ireland. failed in that respect, and would go down to posterity as the dis-
Si rJ. GRAHAM did not think that a long time avowed plenipotentiary. Then the Noble Lord the Member
YOuld elapse before some measure was introduced by for Lynn (Lord G. Bentinek) said—"lf you introduce this
tier Majesty's Government.relatlive to that subject, measure before Easter, and defer the Corn'Bill, we shall sup
Several Bills were brought up from the Lords, and pert you; but if you proceed with the Corn Bill, and
ordered to ord lie on the table. defer this Bill until after Easter, we shall oppose you
IRISH COMMISSION. Was that the support on which the Government relied
for carrying a measure of this kind ? If they took
. Mr. WILLIAMS had not heard precisely the answer
the advice of the Chief Justice of England —the
of the Noble Lord, and he would, therefore, beg to ask
most eminent authority in criminal matters— they would
• the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's assist them in opposing the Pill in all its stages, and afford
'Government whether it was intended to proceed with the those who now opposed it, on the ground he did, an opportunity
Lornmission with respect to the proscribed districts ? of exposing their present bad Government in Ireland. But if
The CHANCELLOR or the EXCHEQUER thought they should succeed in putting the Bill on the Statute-book
that the Hon. „Gentleman would understand that it was it would give those who were in favour of the repeal of the
ithpoesible to proceed with the commission, because, union the strongest reason for continuing their agitation.
hecer(Ung to the rules of the House, the commission were Under these circumstances, not wishing to say anything
unable to act, as several of the members who had for- irritating,,,hte should n en.ofnhcilsudiLleny
learnedssingßeh.iosteintehnotwioenveorf
haerly been engaged on that commission were not now shieipproerstummeedhe t
hism seat, he wished to read an extract from the
members of that body. " Sessional Orders," to show that the Government, by the
- Mr. WJLLIAMS would then wish to ask whether it
course they were adopting, were violating the privileges of
Wes intended at present to p•roceed with the Commission ? the House. The Hon. Gentleman then read an extract from
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could these orders, setting forth that the orders of the day should
hot say at the prewnt moment. • be disposed of before proceeding with any fresh bu-iness.
lIE ALT II OF TOWNS. Now when a Minister of State called on them to set aside the
,i„ Lord EBRINGTONr wished to ask the Right Hon. orders of the House, were they not perfectly justified in moving
14Tonet at the head of t.he liorne Department a clues- the adjournment of the Bill ?
tion respecting the business for eo-merrow, and that was, Sir JAMES GRAHAM
Whether the Government had co:we to any decision re- most convenient to the House if he would. submit to the donesideration of the Hon. Members the circumstances antler
be
for the great number of WI, ter-works Bills now
which her Majesty's Government •sousht the introduction of
uefore the House. As this matter b, 're upon the Heath the present measure, in direct opp isition to the standing
of Towns' Commission, now under tile management of orders of the House. The present Bill had been sent down
-,- Government, he wished to know what course would be
from the House of Lords, and it was competent for that House
as it was very.
taken in the House upon these measures, (the House of Commons),upon such Bills being sentdown, at once
desirable th it the Government should ret,o•tiom-idtniebnrdwattride to refer them to the first reading, without any preliminary pro-
ceeding. In the other House it was open to lie upon the table of
pt some such Ileuse to ado measures as 1,7 the House any Bill which any Noble Lord might think proper
these Bills a stage or two.
PROTECTION OF LIFE (IRELAND) to introduce. No leave was required for the introduction of
the Bill, and as a matter of course it was read a first time. The
Sir J. GRAHAM had not at present- come' so any
standing orders of the House of Commons were, however, dif-
decision as to the course which he intended to ilursue,
BILL.
A ferent, as( it was necessary to obtain leave of the House be-
nzine regard to the Bills to which the Noble Lore' h, au fore any 11 c add be introduced. But .when a Bill came
;!lulled ; but the course which he would recomment.' t° down from the Upper House, it was a general rule to read it a
tile House was, that these Bills should be brought forwai 'd first time without any preliminary motion. All the other
Rh fast as possible. But the Noble Lord would understand days for motions had been anticipated, and he could assure the
that the orders .of motion should take precedence Hones that after the long and protractethdodniffsheutssions upon the
the time hid
of the notices of the day, and it was in acca,dance with ,'ete Government measure, he really .
the strict rules of the House to abide by this course. arriveei. when, with reference tot esectutty O. f life an_sl property
to Iridium, it was necessary that the opinion of Parliament
'douse,
could not, therefore, without the sanction of the
should be giv.`n upon the principle of the measure introduced
'douse, make such a motion. The strict rules of the
by her Majesty's Government. It would be vain to dissemble
house were, that on Mondays and Fridays the orders from the House the extreme difficulty of the position in which
' of the day should have precedence of motions. Without
the Government was then placed. They did think it was
• . the sanction, then, of the House, he could not move for paramount, and of the first impertance with reference to
Postponement of the motion ; but he was now quite the condition of Ireland,reland that at the commencement of
atGeeavletrnermat
* toady to move that the House should give the precedence the
T of
gtaffrehdeeetrd
oaMfnajiettuhs tamet'esd
iGovernment
to the notice of motion over the order of the day.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he rose for the purpose in the corn-laws. rnnnmo ue nn cet
asm er n t
the
shouldse s sbi
men; of the Irish Gov ea
r announced ashere
' '2l. moving that the words "be postponed" be omitted certainly was the derhangeed
g with the conduct of affairs there;
from the motion of the Right Hon. Baronet, and that garded the personh he had
'the orders of the day be proceeded with. It For
stiswtance of the Secretary for Ireland. He
lyould not be necessary for him to trouble theor reasons whicessie ars-not necessary for him to relate,
tort
had the,tl s 0 valuable
been
disc disappointed of the assistance of the Earl of Lin-
;louse at any length on the present occasion,
coin. and though he would not lay much stress on that circuits-
but he wished to call the attention of the Housegave him some claim
to the great inconvenience that would arise from the sutpannnc et„hyeeconsiderationat eof timethehHe the considerathicend
'Postponement of a measure which had occupied th e atten- of a measure of so much importance, the Bill for which
la
4.ion of the House for so. long a time, and on which the nthusoet:gihnttitt,4ing
been sent down from the other House of Parliament, by.ans
then
rgene
attention of the people of this empire might be said to a majority as that which had passed it. The 9
Hensetl) ould
be centred ; and scarcely less inconvenience woad be was, how far the usual principle of the
and her
felt from the fact Of the Government brie • f , -I,rd be adhered to? He did not hesitate to
in the
ging civets
s at this early stage of the session an exciting and ex- 1 Majesty's Government were perfectly sincere. in the declare-
, on, that the decision on the Corn Bill should be come to as
, ti
on,
debate on a measure which, after a ti, whilst *
t - "
I aas the intention of Government to have recite 1
, i speedily as possible ; yet,
would expressing this opinion, he
not conceal the impression which they entertained. that
a first time d then ,t en duntil future
~ an p.,s .p.. e some it was necessary to carry on the measure . come
day. It WM necessary for him to enlarge on the o'own from the other House, without the least possible delay,
inconvenience which would arise from the post- i for the protection of life and property in Ireland. He con-
-3)(-'nercent of the debate with reepect to the corn-laws, 1 cur sea that the moral effect of a ready declaration of the prin
I `and no er • were more aware of that fact than her ti - .of the Bill would be to
i 1,,_. 1:: SOBS pie prevent much disorder, and
i ""alesty s Government, atid the Right Hon. Baronet at I possibly the sacrifice of life in that country ; while then, it was
their head, who had himself presented petitions depre- I exceedingly desirable that the Corn Bill should be paned as
eating in the strongest language the delay which had speedily as possible, it was also necessary, on the other bend,
- l'itkeu place on this measure. Ile had 1
0 a tito re- : that the savetio senthe House should be given to the measure
' which had beepdown to that House from the other branch

noise.
Mr. O'CONNELL would oppose the motion of the
Right Honourable Gentle :Tian. He was actually ealling
upon the House to trample upon one of its own
sessional orders. That sessional order had been nude for

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the benefit_ of the
_public, in order that they might not be
taken by sadden surprise. The Right. iTon. Giciitleman bird'
talked of the moral effect on Ireland by the majority of that
House. Did he not think that the Irish people would be much
more affected by the suspension of their orders than by a ma-
jority of the House ? They were accustomed to hear of majo-
rities of that House on measures connected with their own in-
terests. He hoped that the motion would not he persevered
'in; he would say that no advantage would be gained by pressing
this irregular motion.
Mr. CALEB POWELL believed that the real opinion of
the people of England was that the Corn Bill should take pre-
cedence of any ether measure. He should like to ask the Noble
Lord the Member for Lynn, what was the opinion of his
party connected with this matter?
Lord GE.OIIGE BENTINCK had no objection to state the
feelings of the pirty with whom he was connected. He would
only say that if the day should come when his party should be-
come responsible for the government of Ireland, protection
would never be extended to the broad day murderer or the
midnight assassin. Then protection would be given to the poor
and honest man in discharge of his lawful duties and proper avo-
cation. NT hen he looked at the statements raade bya Minister ofthe
Crown in the other Howse, and when he saw that in ten
counties offences against the person, offences against the pro-
perty. and offences against the public peace, amounted to
4,782, he should state that he concurred with the !Marquis
of Clanricarrle, in the necessity for Dressing on the present
measure.—( Hear.) He also concurred with the Marquis of
Lansdowne, in thinking that, a measure for the protection of
life should be the precursor of every measure of benefit. He
concurred with that Noble Lord, that it was of no use to pro-
po-e measures of improvement so long as no man was suffered
to pursue the occupation of his industry without betr.g assailed
by the hand of the midnight assassin and noon-day murderer.
—( Hear, hear.) For these reasons it was the intention of
Hon. Members with whom he acted to give their hearty and
honest support to the measure of her Majesty's Ministers. The
Right Hon. the First Lord of the Treasury had told the
House that the Bill was one for the suppression of assassina-
tion; and he (Lord G. Bentinck) believed, that the blood of
every murdered creature, and of every creature that would he
murdered, would rest on the heads of her Majesty's Ministers,
did they assent to further delay.—( Loud cries of " No, no,"
from the Opposition benches.) What was the state of things
existing in Ireland ? Why, it was not alone those who had
given offence that were assassinated. but also pregnant women
were shot from behind hedges.— (Cries of " Oh, oh ") He
repeated the statement.—( Cries of " Name, name.") Yes,
he would name. There was the instance of Fanny APErrell,
the wife of a woodranger, shot for no other offence than that
her husband was supposed to be over active in arresting tres-
passers upon the estate of his master.—(Cheers from the Mi-
nisterial benches, with cries of "Where ?" from the Opposition )
He could name the place—it was in the county of Tyrone.
The unfortunate woman lingered for a few days, mircarrled in
child-birth, and then died of her wounds.—( Renewed Minis-
terial cries of " Hear, hear.") Was that a state of things to
be endured?—(Cries of " No, no," from the Ministerial
party.) But was that a solitary instance? How many days
ago was it since Sir David Roche had been shot at, for no
other crime than that of refusing one tenant to eject the widow
of that tenant's brother, while yet her husband's remains were
lying in the House not quite cold?—( Hear, hear.) Nor was
that all, for the state of Ireland appeared to be that no man or
aged lady could go to church without risk of being shot at.—
(Oh, oh.) Yes, there was the case of Mrs. Bennett, an aged
lady of eighty, who was stoppld on her way to church by two
cowardly ruffians, one armed with k wattle and the other with
a pistol, which was twice snapped in her face, and that be-
cause she refused to turn off two faithful servants. one of whom
had been shot at and wounded desp irately on a former occasion.
Had they not the statement of Lord Farnham, made in the
other House of Parliament, to show that Mr. Bell Borehe,while
coming from church with his two children, was murdered in
the broad day, in the presence of hundreds, yet the murderers
were suffered to escape?—( Hear.) They were told that the
murderers were still in the country ; the houses they visited
were well known, yet no person dared to arre=t there.—
( Hear, hear.) Then there was the last account of the 7th of
the present month, where they were shown how Mr. Ryan, his
wife, ten children, and five servants, while on their knees at
prayer, bail a leaded blunderbuss discharged into the room, the
assassin thinking that the bust opportunity of making the shot
more effective?—(Hear, hear.) Were they then to be tsld
that, when they supported Ministers in patine down such an
infamous system, they were acting from factious or
party motives ?—(" No, no," from the Ministerial side.) He
should say, that for himself, as also for the Hon. Gentlemen
who acted with him, they were determined that liberty and
freedom should not be mockeries, but that every man should
enjoy them, unawed by the vengeance of the midnight assassin
and the broad day murderer.—( Hear.)
Mr. C. PO WELL said he had been informed that the
minutes of a conversation between the Noble Lord who had
just sat down and an accredited Government agent was in the
possession of that Noble Lord, and he merely wished to know
if it was his intention to produce it?—( Cries of " Order.")
Lord G. BENTINCK, in reply, stated that his letter was
in the hands of Ministers, and he bad no objection to its pro-
duction. —( Hear, hear. )
Sir G. G itEY hoped the House would not be led into a
premature discussion on the question to the prejudice of the
great and important measure (the Corn Bill.; previously before
their House.—( Hear, hear.) Doubtless the time would come
when the Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite would have to state
the reasons that induced them to bring in such a measure, and
also when the Hon. Members at large should decide whether or
not the measure met the remedy which it proposed to redress.
He was of opinion that the question put by way of amendment—
whether the Corn Bill should have precedence of the Coercion
Bill—was that on which they were called upon to decide.
And for his own part he was prepared to press for a divtson on
the matter, as he was decidedly of .opinion that the Corn Bill
should have precedence.—( Hear, hear.) He assured the
House that in adapting that course he did not do so with a view
to obstruct the measures of the Ministry ; but, finding a Bill, the
debate on which had exceeded the time occupied in
debate by all others, then likely to be postponed, though within
a stage or so of its final settlement, he could not act otherwise
than in opposing that postponement, remembering the vast
number, agricultural, manufacturing, and mercantile, who
were anxious to have a final decision pronounced by Parliament
on the question introduced by its leaders.—( Hear, hear.)
Did they postpone the tneasure at present, it could riot be re-
sumed till after Easier, when it would come on in the shape of
a new question, amid be again debated at increased length.
Under these circumstances, then, and looking to the great
importance of putting an end to the uncertainty that existed,
and the stagnation and paralysatien under which trade and
commerce laboured, because of the indecision of that House, he
( Sir G. Grey) would, feel himself compelled to support the
amendment proposed by his Hon. Friend, to the effect that the
Corn Bill should take precedence of all other measures.—
( Hear, hear. )
Mr. H. GRATTAN said that, in giving his support to
the amendment of h s Hon. Friend, he would at the same time
do everything in his power to put down the spirit of outrage
and insubordination that existed in some parts of Ireland. He
would do so, not alone as he was a Member of that House, but,
as he was a resident country gentleman in Ireland ; and not
merely as landlord, but also as a prot ictor of the tenant, the
labourer, and the peasant. At the same time, he was not
going to censure her .Majesty's Ministers for their tardiness in
introducing the measure, though he should say that such mea-
sures had been found aseless during a period that ex-
tended from 1810 to 1646.—( Hear, hear.) Knowing that
the measure would fail, and feeling that another and a diffe-
rent one was needed. ke should give it his decided opposition.
—f Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the
Ministry took care, in October last, to provide food for the
people, and, at the same time, he might have provided also for
the protection of life and property. He said that to show that,
even should the Bill be delayed, there existed powers to enable
the authorities to put clown these outrages, without the inter-
vention of that libellous Bill.—( Hear, hear.) The sherriff
had the command of the entire passe in every county in Ire-
land ; and if they, aided by the woe ry of the county who were
resident, and not absentees, aided that officer in the repression
of crime, there woul 1, in his opinion, soon he an end of all
disturbance. But when gentlemen absented themselves, aban •
doped their duty, and rendered themselves unpopular
by such conduct, they then came forward and united in a cry
for the proclamation of a district, where nothing save their
own conduct made them unpopular.—( Hear, hear.) Let the
gentlemen of Ireland but do their duty, wh ch they did not
do, and there would be an end of all disturbaiete. It was idle
for them to look for power, and police, and military, to pro-
tect them from the ebullitions of an unpopularity which they
brought on themselves. Moreover, be would not stigmatise
his country by voting for the enactment of a measure which
branded thirty-two counties with infamy, when only five or six
were affected by the mania.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. S. HERBERT (whose opening observations were in-
audible in the gallery) was understood to say, that though he
fully agreed in the paramount importance of the corn measure.
still, at the same time, he should say, that no man who had
watched the state of society in Ireland could entertain
a doubt of the necessity that existed for instantly press-
ing on the measure introduced by the Ministry for
the better protection of life in Ireland.—( Hear, hear).
The Noble Lord made a statement with regard to the state of
crime in Ireland, and if the House disbelieved the truth of the
statements it should go into a discussion upon them, and say
whether they were or were not true. He must say, looking at
the statements that were made elsewhere, that nothing was so
horrible as the state of social disquietude in Ireland. Nothing
was so complete as the abrogation of legal authority in some
parts ; and was it possible for Ministers to allow other mea-
sures, of whatever great importance they might be, to interfere
and not to postpone them until a decision was taken
upon the principle of the measure which proposed to arrest
this state of things in Ireland. There was a feeling in
that House, that this measure was not required, or that other
measures should precede it, so as to more certainly interfere
with the commission of crime. He trusted that the House
would not confirm the motion of his Hon. Friend. It was not
true that Government had attempted to suspend, or give the
right of suspending, the ..rder of the day with a view to take an
unfair advantage. The Right Hon. Baronet himself, said that
it was a most difficult case, and the course he proposed to take
was the most legal and the most ordinary course that could be
proposed. He did not attempt to take the House by surprise;
he merely prop ised that the orders of the clay should be post-
poned by the consent of the House, after having been read, and
that the discussion on this euestion should be taken if
the House was willing to accede to the proposition. The course
the Hon. Gentleman had taken was a very unusual one. He
trusted that the House would refuse to sanction the motion of
his Hon. Friend ; and without in the least degree undervaluing
or underrating the importance of the measure before the
House, he trusted they would see the necessity of passing the
measure which proposed to give security to life and property
in Ireland ; and those persons who could he attacked by the
Bill had a right to demand from that House that the subject
should be taken into Chair earliest consideration.
Lord JOHN RUSAELL—With regard to the
,general
question of the precedence of the Hon. Member's motion, or
of the orders of the day for the Importation of Corn,
I should be satisfied to rest it on the state-
ment made by the Honourable Member for Devon,
but there are one or two circumstances which have
occurred in this debate, of which I feel myself compelled to
take notice before going to a division on the subject. I will
not interfere, one way or the other, with the charge made by
my Hon. Friend, the Member for Lynn; or the defence made
by the Hon. Gentleman opposite, with regard to the delay
said to have occurred in bringing forward this Bill. I trust
that my Hon. Friend, who disclaims the name of a leader,
and yet does attempt to speak the sentiments of tho majority
of this House on frequent occasions, will not do so rash a
thing as to make any accusation, whether against the party
in possession of power or the party which has long differed
from the opinions of her Majesty's Ministers, or to expect that
this question will pass off without some great opposition. With
regard to the question before the House, I must say that
the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State for the
Home Department and the Right Hon. Gentleman who has
last spoken have placed it on a different ground from that on
which it ought to be placed. The other evening, he
was saying that lie wished the principle of this Bill to be af-
firmed by the House, considering the moral effect it would
have on parties in Ireland. Sir, I cannot consider the ques-
tion before the House, as my Right Hon. Friend justly placed
it, as a motion for any unusual purpose. It was to prevent
the time of the Heuse being occupied; and to affirm that the
more convenient course that the House could pursue for the
sake of the public is to proceed with the discussion of a Bit which
has been long under the consideration of the House, and to post-
pone untilh future time a subject which has not been under con-
sideration. My Right Hon. Friend is justified in saying
that the case would be altered if Government said that they
wished to advance this Bill through several stages for the im-
mediate protection of life in Ireland, but they say that they

will resume the discussion on the corn question, and that the been given by the Government, and Hon. Members on. the 1 reflectiors which were consolatory in proposing this measure,
second reading of the Protection to Life mad Property in Ire• other side of the House, ;o the strong representations of the He would not make a sweeping accusation against the Irish
land tali shall not take place for some weeks hence—until after Iris's: eTembers against this measure He knew the rearen. and prop e general:. This Bel wag only required for certain die-
the Corn Bill, the Customs' Bill, and the Puer's Removal Bill the people of Ireland ate) knew the reason. Ihe Right Hon. , trims in Irciai,d. They had been accused of bringing the
have had the consideration of this Rome: I ask, whet can Gentleman the Secretary at War (Mr. Sidney Herbert) had urea ure forward abruptly and prematurely. He might be
be the moral effect of taking the first r ailing of a Bill ? I ask, spoke,' in a dept cetory manner of the oprosition premised by l permitted to mate that tor nearly five years the Government
whether the Irish will ciimmir less outrages—whether the Irish Members to every stage of the We, and by every form of '', had conducted the affairs of the country in difficult times, and
murderer will be deterred by knowing that a Bill has been the House. But he would tell that Right Hon. elemb, r that iin adverse circumstances '•Until and they had never had recourse to
read for the first time? I ask, whether there is trot consider- they did not choose to allow the last remeant of liberty left i extraordinary power,. that mot they h dis-
,
able danger—when we are to have the reading of a Bill, and them to be taken away without a resolute struggle, and he
charged their duty relying on the execution of the existing
the discussion consequent upon it, without the benefit of en- would further tell him that by passing toat mea-ure, the Go- I law. In more than rine instance they had relinquished the
eactment—if all the virtue to be given to the existing powers vernment would trample out in the minds of the Irish people existing laws. They had not felt it their duty to apply to Par-
by the Bill are to be suspended, and an exciting effect caused whatever little feeling might yet remain in favour of the legis- liament for the renewal of the enactment with respect to Ire-
upon the population ? These are the reasons which the Right lative union.—( Hear, hear.) He would inform him that land of an aggressive charecter. On some occasions they had
Hon. Baronet has given for proceeding with the Bill, and they they (the Irish Members) would fight the battle firmly, removed some which were of an aggressive character. Let
are reasons which tell entirely the other way, and entirely in stoutly, and openly, even though they were a small party, them, for instance, look to the Unlawful Oaths Bill. There
favour of proceeding the other way. Let him say that he does They eere a small party, and of that they had complained for' were provisions its that Bill liable to be abused, and they
not consider himself justified in voting for the motion of my the last forty-five years—ever since they had carriedout the I were removed. With respect to the Arms Bill—the
Hon. Friend the Member for Drogheda. It will be the part execrable union against the tieople of Ireland. He complained clause requiring blacksmiths to be licensed had been withdrawn.
of the Right lion. Gentleman to show the state of outrage they were a small party ; but to that they e ere indebted to the I He must also be permitted to remind the House, that the vari-
existing in Ireland—to show what are the crimes that have union, and that was one matter which, with many others, they cm measures which had been brought forward by the Govern-
been committed—aud to show that the Bill will sought to redress. Solemn promises bad been made to them, ment in the course of the last two years had been received in a
have the effect of preventing them. That will he but which haft never been fulfilled. They had been ptomised I spirit of unfriendly feeling by the great majority of the per pie
i
the ease the Right Hon. Gentleman will have to make that Ireland should hive given to her all those coneitetienal of Ireland. He knew that a great differsnce existed as to the
,
out, and if the House should refuse to sanction the motion of privileges which England possessed. But this had never been practical t ffeet of those measures, which were intended as peace
I
my Hon. Friend, it will consider it necessary that some ease fulfilled, and hence it was that they sought to have their own offerings. He would more particularly refer to the Bequest
for the first reading of the Bill should he made nut. I live Parliament back again, and a repeal of the legislative union. 1 Bill, which afforded great facilities fur the endow-
the House will not consent to the proposition, ane will mote The p-ounces made to Ireland had been most bountifully broken, I ment of the Roman Catholic clergy, and for providing
1
pone this Bill until some future time, evim though it should be and not the slightest disposition shown to do justice to that for religious houses and sites fir chapels.—( Hear, hear.)
carried in its present rash seepe—so as to give the Government country. But, if the Irish Members in that House were a I Ile weull alto refer particularly to the Bel which
lan opportunity of proposing more remedial measures. I ask small party, he could say they were strong in the affections of Ihe had the honour to propose with reference to the provision
for no measure beyond those on which the Government has the peo; le. They now came forward and taunted them with for the education of Roman Catholics in the College of
iMay-
declared its intention to legislate—namely, to alter the law as being a small party. True, they were a small party ; but they nnoth, which gave great offence, snit which, he was sorry to
regarded lai dlord and tenant, and the Municipal Corporation had eight millions of Irish hearts at their Issas, and they feared , say, gave great offence to his supporters on his own side of the
Bill. I wi,h that the list of Irish grievances ceuld be mmtned net House. That measure he, in unison with his colleagues in for the issue. The only answer that had been that eight I
up in these topics, but they are more extensive. Ido not ask drawn from the Treasury Bench was one in answer to the "flee, thought it his duty to brim!, fieward. The bringing for-
the Government to propose any other measures, b-st to proceed Noble Lord at the head of the protection party, who seemed— 'ward of those Bills was, to his mind, a conclusive proof that
when it is time fur proceeding, and to obtain peace. When we if his own speech that night were to be taken into account--
I the Government entertained no ho file Ice ings whatever t i the
come tr. consider the ctimee of which the lion. Member for to imagine that he was to be the future Miniver of England, i Irish p. ople.--( Hear.) The Road of Edueation in Ireland
Lynn has given a sample, we are bound to consider whether or anti already determined te mislet islate fir the Irish people. I had also been made more off cruel during the last year, and
not the measure might in some degree remove the cause of He was also the leader of a very small party, which would i there were at the present mornentbetwe. n 400,0e0 and 500,000
them. I beg leave to say, with regard to newspaper accounts in time be still less, because they were metes, d to get etving a good education under the euperintendence of that
which the Right lion. Gentleman has referred to, I ales have the policy of giving cheap food to the people. They were board. Provision had also been mad.- fur the thorough educe-
read an account in a newspaper of a whole village, containing told by the Noble Lord that the course adopted by the Right tion of the children of the middle and higher classes. Then,
of regulating the laws relating to landlords and tenants. That
275 houses, having been razed to the ground, ane the inhk- Hon. Baronet that evening was acommot, practice. He thought again, the Government had introduced a Bill fur the purpose
bitants sent adrift in the high road to seek a shelter, aid even that something more than a merely common practice might be I
not allowed to remain under the hedges or the ruins of their introduced when the liberties of a nation were to be infringed Bill was one of extreme difficulty, and the other House of .
houses to bon their pots of potatoes. I saw that in a Dublin on. Rut what did the Right Hon. Gentleman ask ? The Parliament considered that, in the stare in which it was tendered
newspaper, in the statement made by a gentleman, a re- Right Hon. Gentiemannho was leaving the House now—( Mr. to them, not sufficiently matured, and they therefore did tot
porter of the paper; and in that statement he Sidney Herbert, who was passing the bar at the moment, re- I extend to it their sanction. Daring the recess the Govern-
said that the circumstances were pe:sonally known turned to his seat on the Treasury Bench. )--(Loud cries of meat had bestowed much consideration upon the question of
to him. It is necessary to take up these euielects " Question, question.") If it were the pleasure of the House providing a better law for the tenants of Ireland. They had
together, after the consideration of the Corn Bill has to adjourn, he was very ready to do so. The Right Hon. done all in their power for the purpose of co-operating with the
been disposed of, as the condition of landlord and tenant is Gentleman—and he was very sorry that he had been obliged to Commission over which Lord Devon had presided, and of which
not improved, and to give the Executive Government power detain him—told the House that they were liable, by their four Members of the lleuse formed a conetituent part, and he
to check the progress of murder and assassination. Without conduct, to the charge of sanctioning crime in Ireland. was authorised tu say that either he or some other Members of
these powers I say that there will not be any great moral ad- To that imputation, he with the same strength with which the the Government would have the honour very shortly of intro-
vantage or any limit to outrage, unless you are determined to assertion had been made, threw it back on the party who Sid. clueing a measure founded upon the recommendations of that
use force fully against assassination, and have a feeling of de- vanced it. He charged them instead with sanctioning crime in board Then he must observe that with reference to this mea-
termination to stop the causes of these outrages by some other Ireland with the measures they were then proposing, The sure, paireul as it was, and unconstitutional as he admitted it
measure as well as this Bill. The present Bill may be en- Noble Lord on the one side accused them of sanctioning the to be, he fur one, foreseeing the necessity of the introduction of
forced, and a foundation laid, so that fs ever after a trecemity crime of assassination by postponine the Bill, while nn that side some such measure in the ear ly part of the present session, he
for these Bills may be avoided. they were charged with the crime of adding to the present felt that it was a matter of primary importance that provision
should however be first made for the physical wants of the
Sir R. PEEL—In determining the course which the Go- miseries of the Irish people by delaying in any way the passing
vernment will adopt with respect to these Bills, to which I of the Corn Bill. He charged the Noble Lora with doing people of Ireland, so far as those wants could be relieved by the
attach great importance, Government is in a situation of pe- both; and now he excused the Right Hon. Baronet and his Government; and he certainly could not be a party to the
culiar diffieulty, on account of its present position. 1 certainly Fiends in the Treasury Bench of being accessory to the crimes introduction of this measure unless it had also obtained the
did not expect to hear, whatever might have been the discus- of the peasantry. Only two years ago they, the Irish Niembers, sanction of his colleagues, and unless some measure had been
sion, any doubt expressed as to the sincerity of her Majesty's
omfulaststaslesaostbme
came over to this House,'on the occasion of the Landlord and previously introduced, for the purpose of affording the people
Government with regard to the Corn Bill. I must refer to the Tenant Commission in Ireland, and their language on that
acellroewaeldretaodyobpseerreveeptthi
perceptible
Ireland.effe ct of thHe
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ee
...s
of that country food at the cheapest possible rate. Now, he
circumstances under which it has been brought forward—to the occasion was notof supplicating men ; their language was this—
loss which I have sustained of the confidence of Hon. Members. .. Mind what you are doing for us, and for Heaven's sake take
When the time does come, the Hon. Gentlemen shall see care what you are doing with this Commission; you are rousing
joined to be enabled to state that the admission of maize, free
whether her Majesty's Government are sincere with regard to the most sanguine hopes in the minds of the desperate peasantry of duty, had already pr :dated the most beneficial effects on
the Corn Bill, even in the event of a failure. The of Ireland; you are exciting hopes in their minds, hopes which Ireland.--( Hear, bear.) The demand for that article of food
aecusation with regard to this ease I have always shall not be afterwards realised, and it is no use telling us here was very great. It was cheaper than oatmeal; it was supersede
denied. With respect to discussion, as to whether power that you are only sendieg out that Commission to ask for in- in g oatmeal ; and the effect of its introduction into Ireland, he -
should be given with regard to this Bill, let the House look at formation." They told the Right Hon. Baronet then that he confidently believed, would have the effect, it not in agreat, at
the facts of the case. Certainly, with reard to the full de- could not reason with starvation—that he could not reason with least in some measure, of superseding the use of the potato
claration I have made before, in answer tuna qiiestien addressed madness. They told him to go on, if he so liked, till some among the people of that country, and gradually, but surely, as
to me by the Noble Lord on Friday night last, I feel no dim fortunate chance occurred, when he might claim the merit of he hoped, of giving the people a better Paeans of subsistence
position to alter it. I said that the course her Majesty's wisdom, instead of by that course adopting measures which than they at present possessed. The Government had also
Government felt it necessary to pursue was to consider whether would only lead to disappointing the minds of desperate men, brought forward measures for the purpose of encouraging public
it was possible to obtain the first reading of the till for the pur- the wild hopes they haul by these measures been led to conceive. works in Ireland; and the demand for loans was great, and
pose of obtaining a division upon it. No man can feel more than 1 Has not their words come tree ? He did nor blame the Corn- the effects. he believed, most beneficial to the people of Ireland
lid:chilli expenditure of the moneys lent by the Government.
do the extreme importanee of the agricultural interest—of a de- missioners;for, for, to the honour ant credit of those gentlemen whose Aril the beneficial effects would be still further increased by a
vision being taken on the Corn Bill. I said that I would take this names appeared upon it, they represented things In Ireland .i
Coercion Bill after the second reading of the Corn Bill; and, as- very fairly ; but he maintained that their words ought to have The moral effect, and the social improvement, produced by the
sumirg that the division would take place on Friday night, I had some effect on the mind of the Right Hon. Baronet. encouragement of public works in Ireland were most palpable.
intended to propose this first reading, If the division of the The Right Hon. Baronet had used some expressions The people who lived in those districts where those works
House was in favour of the first rending, I intended to proceed towards Ireland with which they had some right to be
were carried on, would have better and more permanent em-
ment, and they world in a short time be enabled to attain
with the Corn Bill, permitting no Government measure what-
offended. But, as he had given an apology, he would not Plot'
ever to interfere with its progress. I said that for the in- again refer to them further than to say that it was an apology the independent position of the working classes of this country.
formation of all parties, in answer to the question of the Noble which was justly due to them. But he had an objection of his Then he might ask, what would be the effects of the education
Lord, and to that declaration I must still adhere. I feel own to the present Bill.—(Cries of " Oh, oh," .. Question, of 400,000 or 500,000 children by the officers of the Govern-
it my duty to ask the decision of the House with regard to question.") A deputation of persons—he could not call them ment ?On all these grounds he was therefore confident in his
the first reading of this Bi I. It has been on the table most gentlemen, because he thought them undeserving of the name anticipations, that the future position of Ireland would be a
of the House since the 1 Gth, and I supposed that the fist
of men—went up to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. en the prosperous one. The effect of their social improvement
reading would be a matter of course. I say. that so far from subject of the disturbances in that country, and he understood
eople who had fortunately become much happier and
would be recognised by the Legislature, and the Legislature
the Hon. Gentleman wishing to proceed with undue precipi- that they prayed of the Lord Lieutenant to oblige them by
theyafew now were.
Legislature There could lie
would with great confidence bring forward measures for a
tancy,ecith regard to this Bill for Ireland, he proposed, that taking the blood of a man whom his countrymen believed to P
elevated
vdaoteudbt thattha than
i n
for the first time the Bill should be read at once, and after be innocent—he meant the unfortunate man Seery. He (Mr.
that, that you should have a delay given to you. If you con- Jehn O'Connell) had placed a notice on the books of thatbbee -
rented to take no steps whatever, my Right Honourable House, giving to the deputation what he believed was their guided by a more calculating and kindly spirit with regard to
Friend must have another opportunity of laying his proper title, bur he was remonstrated with in private in a Ireland. In the mean time they had to deal with a case of ur-
Bill before the House. What other reasons induced him quarter from which he had always
received the
utmost kind- gent and pressing necessity, to which he could scarcely find any
on the part of the Government to propose such extraordinary ness and courtesy. He marked his sense of their kindness, by parallel case in the history of these kingdoms. lie had before
precautions against assassination in Ireland? what is ould be the withdrawing and not. repeating the expression. The sheet on said, and he then wished to state, in the most distinct manner,
Inference that would be drawn, if he had departed from the which his motion had been placed was altogether cancelled, on that he did not stand there to impugn the character of the Irish
course which he haul adopted? Although the House of Lords the ground that it pledged the House to an expression of opt- people generally. Quite the contrary. He had the pleasure
had passed the Bill, and although her Majesty, in her nion, before it had given its vote on the matter. Now, what of stating that in the 32 counties of Ireland—in the majority of
opeech from the throne, have reminded the House that was the case here. This Bill was presented to the Ficuse these he believed that it would be found, by statistical ac-
tees was a subject for their consideration, they would with a false and calumnious title.—(Hear, hear.) It was counts, that life and property were as secure as in any
not, for the first time, consent to the first reading of stated to be a Bill for the more effectual preservation Portion of Great Britain.—( Hear, hean ) He was happy to
the Bill, without any discussion, hut with a disregard of life and property in Ireland. It was net so. Property say that, in at least 18 out of those 32 counties, crime had con-
to the common courtesy to the House, had endeavee tett to would not be better , protected by the bill ;—life would not be siderablv decreased within the last year.—(Cheers.) He thought
ppstpone it. The decision of the House on the first reading so well protected—because the measure itself would
it would not be necessary to detain the House by going into a
would not be conclusive. The discussion might not lead to aggravate the cause of discontent in Ireland. Why, then, specific detail of the amount of decrease of crime, or of the
any particular result, but what would be the inferences thatshould the et ii be intro a ah e ee H
me. eet esuce- -e-ore me —ouse with this title ? names of the particular counties. Suffice it to say, that in 18 out
would be drawn from any departute from the uniform and este- —a false title, because it stated itself as for the better preserve. of the 32, there had been a considerable decrease of crime within
blished rules ? But the 'Government, were indifferent to this tion of life and property in Ireland. It had been said that the last year, 1845.—(Mr. O'Connell, " County Tyrone"?)
subject. With respect to the course Hon. Gentlemen may eur. night that theirs was a factious opposition, because they were In the County Tyrone, there had been a very large decrease of
sue on this subject, I can attire them that they are free to deal determined, by every form of the House, to "eat the Bill. erime.—(Hear, besr.) The came in Tyrone, according to the
with the case. They ere under no obligation to give their They were justified by their consciences in doing so. They reports of the Constabulary force, had decreased in the last year
support to this measure. I know that thel Government is did it with the sanction of the people of Ireland, and their from 108 to 40. He would go still further, and say, that if it
situated in a peculiar situation. The Nettle Lord the Member constituencies approved of it. They would persevere in their were not for the preseet state of five of the counties of Ireland,
for Lynn said that we are responsible for every murder mist- opposit on to the last moment. It this was a factious oppoe- he could not conscientiously propose this Bill.—(Hear, hear.)
netted in Ireland, and for the death of every person that might eon they gloried in it, because they were opposed to the de- He would sate at once the names of those five counties, al-
die of starvation. After a mature deliberation, we could not struction of the last liberties of the Irish pimple. It was an though he was afraid be should have to trespass upon the indul-
consent to a definite proposal. We wished that the House opposition carried on with the view of defending their country- I gene* of the House fur a short time—t Hear, hear)—for in
might be bound to adhere to the first reading of the Bill. men from a measure of mere wanton avid useless tyranny. l Proposing a measure of so uneonstituteonal a character—( Hear,
Every species of delay had been thrown in the way 'there was another charge trumped up against them, out it we hear)—he felt it to be his bounden duty to bring before the House
of Government. The course they wished to pursue was, that almost too trivial to be alluded to. It was that they (the re- the grounds on which he proposed it —( Hear, hear.) Now
Hon. Members might propose measures. We wish to leave it peelers of Ireland) were anxious for the repeal of the five counties to which he had alluded were, Tipperary,
to the representatives of the Commons of England to dispose the corn-laws because it was one of the few advan- Clare, Roscommon, Lim, rick, and Meath. In those five
of this measure. I know the pewee individuals generally pos- tatees which the union had given to Ireland. The charge "unties crime had increased to a considerable extent,
seas of causing difficulties, and of the power they had of con- did not require to be refuted. A few words more to the Noble There were also five other counties in which crime bad
tinning the debate by resorting to the extreme measure of ad- Lord opposite, the future Minister of England. The Noble been fearfully progressing during the last year, and the names
.journing. That does not relieve the Government from the re- Lord had endeavoured to influence the judgment of Members of those counties were Cavan, Fermanagh, King's County,
sponsibility of proposing such measures as they might deem in that House by his speech on the motion for reading the Longford, and Westmeath ; so that it appeared that at present
necessary. I should be unworthy of being a Member order 'if the day. But he would ask the Noble Lord, if he there were, out of the 32 counties of Ireland, ten in which un.
f the Government, were Ito permit the abuse had supported a Coercion—or if he had said one word in favour lawful doings and crimes of the most frightful character were
of the powers possessed by individuals, to vary the of a Coercion Bill, at the period of the riots in Wales? Until
being regularly carried on. . In the county of Cavan, crime
course deliberately come to on the part of the Government. a poor woman had been murdered, no extraordinary powers bad increased within the last year from 44 to 109, in Roscem.
On Friday last we stated the course we intended to take, and were asked for. He had never supported strong measures then. mon from 264 to 716, Limerick from 321 to 460, and Tipperary
that we should a-k you to take the first reading tea-night. IHe had never adverted to that case then, but he had brought from 908 to 992. But he thought he could present this matter
deeply regret the course that some Hon. Members purpose to forward the case here. Was this the kind of chivalry which to the House in a light which appeared to him to be most con-
pursue, of procrastinating the passing of the Bill, b , offering was to distinguish the opposite party—that the poor man's elusive, and which would show that crime was raging in dis-
opposition to it in every stage of its progress. This is not bread should be taxed, in order to uphold the power tricts of Ireland to a most alarming extent.—( Hear.) By the
acting el a worthy way by the measure.—( Hear, hear.) 1 and wealth of a pampered aristocracy. Every form of the last return which had been made to the Government, it ap.
will admit of every f sir delay anus opposition, but in doing this House should be used to stop the Bill ; and he told that Right eared that the whole population of Ireland was 8,175,000, and
I wish to uphold the authority of the House, and that respect Hon. Baronet, that the consequences of the delay of the Corn the population of the five counties to which he had more pare
which is due to this the popular viol democratic branch of the Bill would be upon him alone. titularly referred, viz. Tipperary, Clare, Roscommon, Limerick,
Legislature. —( Rear, heat.) Delimit' upon it, if a small body Mr. COBDEN—From the remarks which fell from the and Leitrim, was 1,412,000. The population of those five cm,-
of elembers set themselves up in opp .si ion to the majority of Right Non. Baronet, I was left in some doubt whether the ties therefore, was a little more than one-sixth of the whole of
this House, and set at nought the usual rules that regulate its proposed statement, which is to be made by the Right Hon. Ireland. Now the crimes to which he would direct the atten-
prormedings—depond upon it, in doing so, they are taking A Baronet, the Home Secretary, shall be gone on with to- tion of the House were of a most insurrectionary character ;
course which is most unwise, and opposed to the advancement night, or whether it is the intention of the Government to press they comprised crimes of murder, and the destruction of pro-
of the very objects they seek to serve.—( Hear, hear.) Ido a division on this question ? perty. He had made a selection of those particular crimes.
hope that you will submit to a decisioe at once, and that my Sir R. PEEL— We shall proceed with the first reading of The crimes had been arranged as follows—homicides, violence
Right Hon. Friend (Sir J. Graham) will be allowed to make the Bill. My Right tion. Friend will make his statement, to the pens g assault, assaults endangering life, in-
in„tatement to the House. The N ble Lord the Member then we shall leave it to the House to judge what course they co the
killing or maiming cattle, demandingand robbery of
for Lynn has given a not unfair statement as to the injustice will pursue. When I said that my Right Hon. Friend would arms, appearing armed, administering unlawfulgoaths, oaths, sending
of the motion to leave the consideration of the present Bill, have an opportunity of making his statement, I did not mean threatening notices, malicious injury to property, and firing
and take the other orders of the day that follow. This would to imply that that was sufficient, and that there we should stop. into dwelling-houses. New the number of homicides corn.
not be seemly in the present state of ]rebind. But while I Mr. COBDEN—Betore we go to a division, I cannot help mitted in 1845 throughout the whole of Ireland was 92, and
wish the Bill to be taken in the course I propose, and while I expressing my sincere regret at the course adopted by her Ma- the whole of those committed in the five counties to which he had
do not wish any opportunity of staling obji•ctions to its pro- kite's Government. I think it will he a great calamity both more particularly directed their attention was 47, being one.
visions, I must protest against motions of the present kind; to England and to Ireland; for although the Government bring third of the homicides committed in the whole of Ireland.
which are only of a technical and frivolous character. 'his measure of coercion forward, as a measure which will Asaults in those five counties 190. and in the whole of Ireland
I have no wish to excite angry feelings on this question. on pacify Ireland or contribute to the Peace of Ireland. we must 350, being two-fifths of the whole number. Assaults endan-
sehieh so much strong feeling exists already ; still I must ask bear in mind that those who represent the Irish feelieg in this gering life 110 in those five counties, and in the whole of Ire-
what is the question before the House ?Itis a tampering with House—those who have the greatest influence in Ireland—have land 127. Incendiarism in those five counties 139, and in the
its forms for a particular purpose, and one on which the mea- a distinctly contrary opinion ; whereas, on the subject of corn, rest of Ireland 329, being two-sevenths of the whole number.
sure to be considered cannot be debated conducive with the that great question of giving food to the people of England and Killing or maiming cattle in those counties 108, in the rest of
rules of the House. The Hon. Gentleman has moved that the Ireland, no difference of opinion exists. If I understand Ireland 164, being two-fifths of the whole. Demanding and '
first reading of the present Bill be waved, and that the other rightly, the Hom and Learned Gentleman who, I may say, robbing of arms in the five counties referred to—and this was
orders of the day be proceeded with. But to that I will anssver, represents Ireland, came over expressly to surtain her Ma- a crime of the most malicious and fearful kind-420, and in the
that I cannot take the other business, under present circum- jesty's Ministers in their wish to give increased subsistence to rest of Ireland 131, being four-fifths of the aggregate. Appear-
stances, and if the amendment is agreed to, and the motion the people of England. That question, 1 think, should have ing armed in those counties 66, and in the rest of Ireland 25,
iej cted, I do not feel at liberty to persevere with the other taken precedence of the coercive measure, inasmuch as those being two-thirds of the whole. Administerine unlawful oaths
orders of the day. Under these circumstances, considering who understand the interest of Ireland know that the best way same districts 193, end in the rest ofleland only 33.
the importance of the Bel, and that no unfair advantage had to pacify Ireland is by giving the people food. But have the being six-sevenths of the whole. Threatening notices in the
been taken in its introduction, Ido hope that my Right lion. Government considered what will be the delay that will be same 1,1 43, and in the rest of Ireland only 901, being eleven-
Friend ( Sir James Graham) will be allowed to make his state- caused bsairomeding with tho Bill now? If you go into the twentieths, of the whole number of crimes of a similar number
ment. Ido hope this course will be agreed in, and that any discussion to-night, the Honourable Member for Li- committed in Ireland ringdunthe year
and .30M
injury
discussion on the subject, will be taken after that statement has merick county has told you that the Irieh Members to property 104 in the fintie, and 306 in the rest of
been made,—( Hear, hear.) themselves are prepred to sustain their opposition to Ireland. Now he would observe that one crime particularly
Lord G. BENTINCK said be had been misunderstood by the first reading for three nights. This might be a Govern- had been greatly on the increase during the last eir,teen
the Noble Lord ( isord J . Russell), the Bight lion. Gentleman ment night ; Friday and Monday following are Government menths. The dreadful crime of firing into dwelling-homes at
the Secretary at War, and the Right Horn Baronet at the head nights, and these three will be occupied in the discussion. You night, for the purpose of wounding promiscuously any member
of the Government. What he did say was, that her Majesty's cannot reckon upon those nights occupied by private members of a family, had been, during that period, in those five coup.
Government and 'hat Reuse were responsible for every mum —you cannot reckon upon these for the debate on the Coercion ties to which he had called their attention, 93, and in the rest
der committed in Ireland. owing to any unnecessary jelly in Bill You must have Thursday night in Committee—you of Ireland only 45 —( Hear, hear)—being seven-tenths
the passing of the measure that her Majesty's Ministers had must have the following Tuesday night in Committee. of the ' whole number. He had in his possession
introduced for the protection of life in Ireland.—( Hear.) Private Members will not give np their notices in order to ac- reports which showed the state of these five counties
Sir R. H. INGLIS said that the Noble Lae, the Member commodate the Govrnment on this subject. You therefore, during the months of January and February of the present
for the city of London (Lord J. Russell), had stated that, inde- cannot take another step on the Corn Bill before Laster. The year. The number of homicides in that period, it appeared,
pendent of the decision of the theme on the present measure, Right tiotise Baronet the Member for Devonport stated most was 8 ; robberies of arms, 18 ; setting fire to dwelling-houses,
there should he no time lest in forwarding the remedial mea- truly teat Hon. Gentlemen opposite would come up again 69; sending threatening
(exc notices, 69
lusive ; and ma
of lithecious iejury to
sures for the state of Ireland. But what was the objet of the after Easter, trusting that we shall have forgotten all their property, 14. city of that
present Bill? It was to repress outrage ; and if so, it could tedious arguments, and repeat the same thing over again.— county), 3 murders, 12 incendiaries, 25 robberies of arms, 50
not be passed too soon. He agreed with the Noble Lord (Laughter-) In all human probability that Corn Bill will not threatening notices, and 18 attacks on property. In the
(Bentinck), that he did not find fault with the Government in reach the House of Lords before the beginning or the county of Clare there had been 1 murder, 7 incendiaries, 20
introducing the Bill, but that they had not introduced it some middle of May, and when it shall pass out robberies of arms, and 17 threatening notices. And in the
time ago. Her Majesty's Government ought to have intro. of that House heaven only knows.—( Hear, hear.) count of Rot here had been Iscommon within they
tame
periods(e, the last two
eluted it some months since, instead of allowing the evils to I think this is a great calamity. Ido not attribute any motives,
months), murder.ri3l robber
continue without a remedy. such as those which have been hazarded against the Right of arms, 6 threatening notices, and 4'2 administrations of un-
Lord WORSLEY wished to explain the vote he was about Hon. Baronet and the conduct of the Government. But there lawful oaths. New, it was his painful duty to bring under
to give on this question. On the question of the corn-laws he is something which actuates them which I cannot understand. their immediate notice seine more fame relating to the &s-
-had differed with the party on that side of the House with Their reasons have not been explained in this House. We turbed portions of Ireland. It would be impossible for him to
whom he usually acted; therefore he wished to explain why it have had no reason to warrant the course they are pursuing. give the House anything like general statements, but it ape
was he would now support the proposition in favour of the 1 believe there is no compact between the Government and Peered that these crimes were not of a sectarian or political
Government. Since November last great alarm had prevailed certain Hon. Gentlemen, and do not believe those converse- character. Roman Catholics and Protestants Orangemen and
among the agriculturists respecting the exeected alteration in lions which are published in to-day's paper, and which ought Repeaters, had alike become the victims of the lawless men of
the Customs, and the consequence was that trade and agricul- not to have been published, even if they had taken plane. Ido the disturbed counties. And he must also state that the crimes
time suffered. Any delay in the settlement of the corn ques- ,not believe there is any such compact. The Right Honourable which he had mentioned were by no means new in the pare
lion would perpetuate the state of uncertainty and alarm, and, Baronet at the head of the Government has acted upon the titular districts to which be had alluded. Unhappily, they had
therefore, he would vote for the first reading of the Bill, re- decision which he gave four or five days ago, before any Irish prevailed for several years Past; and it now remained for the
He now knows what Legislature itself, for the purpose of eradicating the
serving to himself the right of voting against it in any of its Member had spoken upon the subject. to exert
will be the feelings of those Members shouldhe species of crime to which he had referred. It was true, that
future stages. Corn Bill H
Colonel RAWDON considered that the Irish Members press this Coercion Bill before the „ • e much had been done, but all their efforts had, as yet, signany
who objected to the present Bill might very well speak, when does not, in my opinion, impeach the sincerity failed. Crime, of the species referred to, had
they had been blamed w'th the death of the unfortunate men at all of his determination to carry
.this measure beets more, during the last eighteen months, then
who had been killed in Ire'and. He utterly disclaimed the. I rejoice, and the country will rejoice, that the Right Henour- during many years previouAy. He implored the
imputation. The Noble Lord who made it had shown himself able Baronet has this night declared, that nothing shall prevent House to consider seriously the disgrace to which those crime.
a good tactician, as he would be able now to make two speeches him showing his sincerity in resisting any obstruc ion or mu- subjected the people of these realms. They were crimes
on the the measure, having gene somewhat into it in the one he tilation of the Corn Bill; and I have a full conviction, a most graceful to this country, this age, and the Government under
had just made. Ile (Colonel ilavrden) would advise the I- ish earnest conviction, that he whi deeply regret the course he is which we lived. They
betawee equally disgraceful to our civil
Members not to expend their anunueition at present, but, at now taking, because I think the present state of the country— polity. Ours was said to
the proper time, to use it a aainst the measure. His feelingshad the manufacturing districts, from which we hear every day— try, and yet crimes were daily committed in the sister country
been roused by a speech which had been made in anether House the agricultural districts, the inhabitants of which, as the Noble which were a disgrace to any country on the face of the earth,
of Parliament by the Duke of Wellington, on this Bid, which Lord the Member for Lincolthire has slated, are anxious to In order to illustrate what he had before stated, he would read
he (Colonel flawden), as an Irishman, repudiated. have a settlement, and do not care for the amount bf the to the House a number of cases, which be had prepared and
The SPEAKER called the Hon. Member to order, for re- settlement so much as for a speedy settlensent of the Corn classified according to the principles he had just stated. The
question. Under these circumstances I deeply regret having first class to which he would refer were cases of murder, or in-
ferring to a speech of a member of the other House.
Colonel RAWDON said that the Noble Lord who had just to go into a lobby to vote against the Government on such a juries indicted upon person in consequence of themselves
spoken (Lord G Bentinck ) had referred to the speeches of question as this. or their relatious having taken, or refusing to give up,
the Marquis of Clanricarde and the Eari of Lansdowne, and Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House land. He would refer first to Tipperary. On the 24th of
therefore he (Gibinel leasvion) thought he had a right to refer divided— May the friends of the deceased wife of a party who occupied a
to the speech of the Duke of Wellington.—(Cries of .. No.") For the amendment
The SPEAKER—The Hon. and Gallant Member is outer For the first reading 147 the property. Notice had been served by the ruffians to give
order in alluding to any speech made in a debate in the othe Majority for Ministers —39 up possession of the property. Notice not being attended to.
Sir J. GRAH A%I then rose and said that, in the absence of the unfortunate man was waylaid while returning from Done-
House of Parliament.
Colonel RAW DON—Then he would allude to no debate any member of her Majhsty's Goverhment more immediately gal to his own home, and brutally murdered. Another person,
T 1 d It was Ins ainful dut
whatever, but only say that the Duke of Wellington had ex- connected with ere-an , on that occa- quite unconnected with either party, was also knocked down
pressed himself in terms wheal- he (Col. Rawdon) altogether sion, to repose to the House the first reading of the Bill hie head was fractured, and he died from the effects of the
-rejected. He could not agree that the union between Ireland which come down from the other House of Parliament. The injury received. In another case in the same neighbourhood,
and this country was a Legitimate compact or that the oblige. Hon. Member for Stockport had said that there was some rays.. feur men, with their faces !slackened and otherwise disguised,
tions were such as had b• en retiree-Med. It was a union to terious motive in pressing this Bill. lie hoped the House entered the house of a person occupying land, and presented
which the people .1 Ireland had not been a party, and of which would indulge him with a patient hearing, while he endea- pistols to the heads of the peaceable inmates, and asked them
!oared to state to them cogent reasons, which, in his judge why they did not obey the summons which bad been sent, and.
he did not approve.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL rose to address the House, amidst I moot at least, appeared conclusive that no time was to be 10,t after committing groacts of barbarity they went empties
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loud cries of " Divides divide." 11. said that no answer had in passing such a measure as this. There were, however, some would also allode townother cue, which also took ia