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riiection of the measure by the House of Lords ? It
would necessarily practsa their resignation. He wotilsl
not argue whether they had been a good or bad Govern:N
ment. It was the duty of the representatives of the people
to express their indignation, if such a step as throwing
out the measure in question were attempted by the other
House of Parliament. Oa that account he considered it
not only as the undoubted right, but as the duty of any
Hon. Member to call for as numerous an attendance as
possible of Members on so important an occasion ; and he
should, therefore, support the Hon. Baronet's motion, and
trusted it would he adopted by the House.
Lord ALTHORP said, that although the Hon. Mem-
ber for Staffordshire hail given general reasons for the call
of the House on Thursday next, lie had not avowed his
true object. It was true that his Majesty's Govern-
ment had pledged its existence upon carrying the
Irish Church Temporalities Bill, but there could not be a
doubt, although his Honourable Friend might not
intend it, that this motion, if carried, must wear
the appearance of a menace.—(Hear, hear.) His Hon.
Friend must admit, that in the present state of affairs his
Majesty's G vernment had not a very easy course to pursue.
and he (Lord A.) was satisfied that neither his Hon.
Friend the mover, nor his Noble Friend on his right,
(Lord Ebrington,) would wish to do anything that could
in the slightest degree increase the difficulty of thei:
situation. He had no doubt as to there being a very
full attendance on Thursday next, so that he certainly
had felt some embarrassment as to the course he should
pursue with respect to this proposition. Instead, how-
ever, of requesting his lion. Friend not to withdraw
his motion, he was much more inclined to request
that he would withdraw it.—(Loud cheering.) The
withdrawal of the motion could not, he thought,
have any evil effect, but he was not sure that carrying
it might not have an evil effect.—(Hear, bear, hear.)
Upon the whole, then, after consulting with his col-
leagues aroun I him, who thought with him that it
might lead to some considerable embarrassment,
he begged his Hon. Friend would not persevere in his
motion.—(Loud cheers, particularly from the Conservative
Benches. )
Sir J. WROTTESLEY, as far as he was concerned,
was perfectly ready to withdraw the motion; nothing being
farther from his wishes than to do anything likely to em-
barrass his Majesty's Government. He certainly had con-
ceived that the dignity of the House would be best consulted
by the course which he recommended ; at the same time
he was quite disposed to accede to the suggestion of his
Noble Friend ; and if the Hon. Gentlemen who had
expressed their intention to divide with him concurred in
that acquiescence, he would withdraw his motion, although
not otherwise.

Major BEAIJCLERK trusted the Hon. Baronet would
persevere with his motion, in order to mark his sense, as
well as the sense of the House, upon the contemptible
conduct of a Ministry who, when they thought themselves
in trouble, originated a p.teous appeal to the House of
Commons i❑ their favour ; but whose first act, when they
thought the storm had blown over their beads, was to
throw their best friends overboard.—(Loud cheers, and
cries of " Oh, oh !") He would support the -motion of
the Hon. Baronet, but not, he assured the House, with a
view of keeping in office the present Administration.—
(Hear, hear.) He supported it solely because, instead of
propping up, it struck the first blow to the overthrow of
the Irish Church.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) He
thought the treatment which the Hon. Baronet had re-
ceived was neither manly nor fair ; but what else, he
asked, could be expected from a Ministry who not only
were ignorant of their duties, but actually did not know
their own minds for two days together, at one moment
suggesting a motion, and in the next opposing their own
suegestions?—(Loud cheers and laughter. )
Lord ALTHORF felt hound to say that this proposition
had been brought forward without any communication
with him or with his Majesty's Government. He could
appeal to gentlemen to whom, whe❑ he heard of the
notice, he expressed his opinion—which he was sure they
would believe to he sincere—that the motion was an
imprudent one. He did not think that the storm was,
as the Hon. and Gallant Member for Surrey said, blown
over. But it was from no apprehension of the effects of
that storm that he requested his Hon. Friend to withdraw
his motion.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. TENNYSON could not for a moment believe that
the !Ministers of the Crown would lend themselves to such
a proposition as that on which the House was about to
decide. That proposition he denounced as a base and
unworthy attempt to intimidate and menace a Legislative
Assembly; ~n attempt to which he, for one, would never,
while he had a seat in that House, give his concurrence
(Cheers.) He cared not what certain Hon. Members
might think of the powers of running counter to the
House of Lords, which, it was alleged, the Reform Bill
had secured to them. He had himself been a Reformer, but,
nevertheless, while he had Ile he would stand by the Con-
stitution, and by the Constitution alone; and, such being
his determinat-on, he was not prepared to take any mea-
sure or step like that at present proposed, the ulterior ob-
ject of which, it was plain to every person, was to address
the Throne in order to place the other branch of the
Legislature under the entire control of the House of Cina-
!untie, or, still worse, under the control of whatever party
might chance to be uppermost in the State.—(Cheer..)
He did not on many points, and be much regretted that
circumstance, concur with the House of Loris ; but he-
r•ause he did so was he prepared for a revolution ?
(Cheers.) Was he, simply because he differed from the
decision of a high Legislative Assembly, to take a step
which would place that assembly in subservience to the
House of Commons, or to the Government for the time
hlng of the country?—(Cheers.) Much alarm had been
expressed regarding the decision of the House of Lords upon
the Irish Church Bill, but he was firmly convinced all
that alarm was unnecessary and uncalled fur. The people
of England, notwithstanding the circumstances that
the Administration st iked their political existence 03 its
success, took no interest in the final decision of the
question, and they firbore doing so simply because tha
measure before Parliament contained not one of those
dements of Church Reform that they had hoped to see in-
corporated in every Bill having for its object that deside-
ratum. On the ground, therefore, of its probable effect on
the decision of the other House regarding the Church
question lie felt c (fled upon to withhold his assent to the
motion.—(Hear.) For the other ground, however,
wl:ich the Hon. Baronet had stated, namely, to secure a
full attendance for the consideration of the important
question likely to come before Parliament before the ses-
sion close 1, he was quite willing to have a call of the
H.:use. T ere were many motions in which the country
took a deep interest about to be brought forward ; and as,
more particularly, there was a motion standing in his name
for the 23d of the present month, upon a subject highly
important to the Engl.sh people, he had no objection to
support the proposition for a call of the House.—(Roars
of laughter.) In ping so, however, he begged distinctly
to be understood as deprecating the motion as a direct
threat and menace on the decision of the House of Lords.
—(Renewed laughter.) He confessed he was at a loss to
understand what occasioned the merriment of the House,
for he maintained there was nothing whatever of incon-
sistency in his declaration.—(Roars of laughter.) Did
this House attend to hint, or did they misunderstand him?
What he intended to say was, that although lie regarded
the motion as an unconstitutional interference with the
decision of an assembly, yet, as its effect would be to insure
a full attendance when important topics were brought
under the notice of the House, and in partic•u'ar when
his motion respecting the Septennial Act came to be dis-
cussed, he thought he was adopting a raise and proper
course in giving it his support.—(Roars of laughter.)
Mr. Secretary STANLEY thought, that atter what
had been stated by his Noble Friend, there would have
been a unanimous feeling among those who were not
professed enemies of his Majesty's Government ; that of
deprecation of the motion of the Hon. Member for Staf-
fordshire. The Hon. Member fur• Lambeth certainly had
a notice of motion on the 23d of July for the repeal of
the Septennial Act ; and it was not surprising therefore
that the Hon. Gentleman should be desirous of a large
attendance on that occasion. The greater part of the
House, however, were perhaps not aware that no longer
ago than at three o'clock the Hon. Member for Lambeth
had made a gross and violent attack on the whole con•
duct of his Majesty's Government ; nay, that he bad
expressed his most earnest and anxious desire for the
return to power of a Toly Administration.--(Hear,
hear.) He (Mr. Stanley) must add, that the lion.
Member stated that he only expressed that wish because
he was sure the new Ailinini,tra ion could last only a
wick. Of course, that would lead to the appointment of
a Gwernment of men holding upright principles; men
whose merits had 'pen singu'arly disregarded by his
Majesty's present Government—(Hear, hear, hear)—inen
who, in bet er times, would have been selected " to
ride the whirlwind, and direct the storm "—(Hear, hear,
hear)—men who were qualified to hod the reins of
power with a steady hand, and to carry into effect that
most desirable object, the reconcilement of the differences
between the two Houses of Parliament.—(Hear, hear.)
The lion. Member for Lambeth had declared that he
looked with horror and alarm to any measure that would
place the other House rat Parliament in a state of insubor-
dination, and professed hiniselt the strict guardian of the
constitutional right of that House to independence. When
he (Mr. Stanley) turned to the order hook, how( err, he
horrid a notice by the Hon. Member fur Lambeth of a
:notion fur a Committee to review the professed privi-