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London, England, 1846-03-20 00:00:00

-4181 s evide'if from comparing the present population of
- ,
'' :i• ‘, . „s in ea,. O.
, In Great Britain.
.11,'4,01) 1
iu I a. t.
........ . 1.
.... ... . --1 In France
875,495
,878,676 paPriospulation, 1842 :_._
147,191
ria,tehester ... ..... 296,183 Marseilles
143,977
Ger•P°ol ............ 286,497:Ly0ns
E; Vow ............. 274,538 Bourdeaux ..... ..
9909:558102
tlinglisun ... ..... . 132,912 Rouen
76,965
td ! ... .............. 152,054 Toulouse
75,870
111:gi: 138,182 Nantes
` ' •••
..... •''' gin: T ; , , 63,053
1,
Re:::: . j •
4 i .., ';

.•• ......

3,474,578
the 11 The discrepancy in the am
neipal English and Fret
exclusive of steanterE
ri,"gingtolhe ten principal
`,giish Ports in 1844.
4,1 A Vessels. Tonnage.
........2,792 573,5'7
rrPool
..... 1,987 312,142
iewcastle ..
... 1,235 273,953
... 813 155,697
Al7o. 0!* Gin
o
Stehock . 447 ,';,(317
I\.` ............... 453 C7.:22..,7
o.ll:.teliaven .. 389 C.'),"'4
Opp on 352 51,550
...... 32,3 48,920

3i 1,679,208
mount of s'Apping belonging to
nzb ports isequallyrenaarkable,

Shipping exclusive ofsteamers
belonging to the ten, principal
French Ports in 1844.
Vessels. Tonnage.
Havre -12 64.034
Bourdeaux
Nantes
Marseilles 630 51,895
7t. Maio
Dunkirk
Granville
Rouen
Nouvelle
Dieppe ...... 174 10,837

`Total 8,6331,766,4421 2,991 336,398
i
sbppmg belonging to ports in the United King-

Number of Vessecie. Tonnage.
qi,04., 22,297 2,848,149
"Total Shipping belonging to ports in France :
Vessels. Tonnages
13,578 595,344
at."l, total tonnage of France being very little more than
114.11115 single port of Londote"
to the or;, Alember then observed that he had not alluded
taiit`r!ther advanteges which would be derived in this
*ale from adopting, the French system, because they
tineelbrul a proper eutject of inquiry by the Corn-
Nte;taid co eluded by moving for a " Special Corn-
pate inquire whether, without discouraging legiti-
.4%,-aterprise, conditions may not be embodied in
1.14% tarY Acts better fitted than those hitherto inserted in
the'
and secure the interests of the public."
5,,,10 question being put,
4.,stibtareitita::nuiMANGLES' thought that much as the Hon.
harljepokea of the importance of railways,
mtc ,;,41 a degree under-rated it. it appeared to him
kki,"'e motion of the Hon. Gentleman possessed a
!heb,tll(ler scope than he was inclined to give it. The
14`1407„`1,tul hitherto been to allow the fullest-scope to
'nte,,'" enterprise in the construction of railways.
14)-4 41-mear that the scope which the Hon. Gentle-
NnTre to the present system involved erroneous
eB, and that the system which was adopted in
74:1i and in other places on the continent, was es-
va tight. It would be found after all, that the
%ceeprizei in the railway lottery were very few. There
th' doubt some railways in this country that had
,
NI; a large profit, but looking at the whole system
Ptis 4YI as far as he (Captain Mangles) could n-
,llll?tte the' matter, the average profit on the w ihole
th exceed five and a half per cent. A great part
e sea „ •
‘lys in this country had not been paid up.
:"IttE,Lrnisanies had been able, by their credit in the
tee to borrow large sums of money at a low rate of
believedthat if the capital of all the rail-
'iq this
countryl were paid up, the average would
e',.`e' 3i or 4 per cent. It was most desirable
Late;anonal enterprise in railways should be en-
Ztlied, not so much for personal profit as for
1/t, we,l,Tivenience. Look at the Blackwall Rail-
00eoiruch cost in the construction more than
;Iliad'. per mile, and the highest return it heti ever
. wats 114 • per cent ; but was it not a useful rail-
,
4150 ts 6
found that in the year 1844, that railroad had
,
no less than 3,400,000 passengers. By
re-
~'eee; chance of winning the large prizes, the in-
nt to invest capital in unpromising adventures
'S is e e destroyed. It appeared to him the most nav-
rgl
because you saw a certain man realising a
" Pert
it one by successful enterprise, to rush in upon
rPrise and pat a stop to it. A large proportion
:tlita;rf4rlunee which had been realised by successful
Ittrt'tse remained invested in the capital of the
rallweys which had prospered. He knew also
11e,
wtduals who had made fortunes in successful
itil‘ekeilo had been induced to invest further capital in
61 ror Jamaica, in Ireland, and other places. The
seemed to have forgotten all the inter-
Far, steps which the French Government had taken
kv-o'caAe the construction of railways. •He seemed
tyra'otten the law of 1842, under which the
n;e`-iovernment offered to advance one-half of the
of
tea
,liege the railroads. But though they
tee
'-eat .• large inducements, they did not
N 14 ;11. persuading any parties to come for-
to th.. *lead , themselvee of the advantage.
Preeeiat 'tithe there. was a tatal of 5,981 miles
11eed.Yeeither making or made, or about to -be cote'
w -Phis was owing to enterprise being unfettered,
02 sei,a,s. tehat the Hort. Gentleman _found fault with.
'9l,,v`lit in France, where the Government had inter-
as that at the present time the total am •ibint of
did
cU~f railway Slot exceed 376 miles. Take this,
' (p, re it with the amount in England to 1844,
0,1,264 miles. The Hon. Nth n. Gentleman bad dwelt at
osi on the advantage derived from the cheap-
„Lee fares on French railroads ; but if we had
yesd
1. sta. a the French system, not one tithe of the
Which were now in existence, and which owed
stettßglo to private enterprise, would have been con-
ti,tty We had open communication with nearly
74yP,a,r! of England—with Exeter, with Carlisle,
lEs, jirighton, and with Norwich, and we shall soon
„,eolst line completed. Could the lion. Gentle-
Nt'leulate te profit which had accrued to the suer-
,
"‘i manufacturers connected with those places,
,
th4'Pare the result with the profits that had arisen
,LaPrchants and tinders in Marseilles, and
I.l';‘'ees in France, which were unprovided
OIttil• way communication. It appeared to him "to
Eaa ng the kid in its mother's milk." Our very
~W 45 urged against us as a reason why we
taltyr4er the French system in conducting our
Pt• The French people had bought up the rail-
utto the English capitalists, and they had been
;AY a very considerable sum as a premium to
Y,lst,Ptiet,l'ior industry. The Hon. Gentleman disclaimed
i
h mon of paying the national debt by the course
''''proposed, but he certainly argued that he
dt telitrew, his views of paying that debt were very
I„}if°4l his. He did believe that by wisp mea-
kAti 'eh would lead to the increase of enterprise,
1,;11440°441 debt would be by their grand-children
t111)".4 With, and they would think no more of it
Y at the present time, of the national debt
~le'9l ch Elam.
when compared with that of the year
Nritik,ll-4 amounted to 140,000.0001.—(ifear.) He was
yolliti that any attempt of the Government to inter-
,, Prevent private enterprise, and he considered
I,ll.44lepanies would reduce their fares to a far
'4,titN °lint than any legislative enactment would com-
`..A th' The Birmingham Company had, in the Bill
4
Pkt the `'Y sought for their amalgation, voluntarily
aataelVei to carry first-class passengers for two-
ter e, second-class for three halfpence, and third-
lii:iPelitly.
41! cod i c
b.5...0N wished to know whether they would
ail (Laughter.)
the aIANGLES—He was not able to say wile-
Y W
"ca).,_)(3)u-el do so to Newcastle—(Hear, hear, and
Dike he did believe a great reduction would
a,1414. without any legislative interference, and to
.Mle of noninterference he had been always
t)
~,t0 attribute the prosperity of England.
,SP,Sr4 -'4I‘ICEIst observed that he wished to ask the
e;litte 4..evhether they were prepared. to plunge at
se' a,. all increased expenditure, being pledged to a
that
•, already. When the session corn-
111,' sa eire was a very general impression that some
ayN "ti,":111,.. taken by the House with reference to
)44,141.:tp1t nothing had as yet been done. The
'Ott, ie Member for Sunderland said that on the
''that iletn, her of Bills the deposits would not be paid,
attlko`lltsequently they would be thrown out on the
ail ruers; but what was the fact? Up to March the
le Ile railway Bills had passed through that ordeal,
;,.'llelverszt about appearing before it on petition, and
\ke nutnlea- rejected since the opening of the
Siv%t4l3lt mounted to no more than eleven ; in the
Nits 4. `l' ? of which they had reversed their
NAtti, 41nd now he did not mean to cast any
.en the Committees. On the contrary, he be-
Lter,tleet had acted most wisely, and not with any
; but he did urge on the House the
theen Of the amount of money necessary to coin-
-6,1 Ce,undcrtakings ;he would recommend that
thi,4lid be introduced putting bark the execti-
hty,ner,`,4e schemes, some for six, others for twelve,
125tkt,;,4"31 eighteen' months, as it might seem neces-
S'4 the dissent he saw expressed by the Chancel-
e,'lltts i':°t consider his proposition would be adopted.
eie -I."".ivaa stated that fifty millions had been ad-
"l'4,ll,,Ptir:lvay undertakings. During last year the
kl,ie,'4l,sis.,"ad been as much, but there were no
Je,,t,,g,rte.er for supposing that they would be act-
Stle wit unity with the interests of the public by
"a Similar annual expenditure. That view
tt4Sllhet,
'll Was ably advocated by an authority which
kt'ird that House would respect, except the
the °~o'aiany those who surrounded him—he meant
• He would not, however, trespass longer
He had no wish to throw any obstruction
!tar tilvteadr.t.° Propose any amendment to the motion,
ae Inculcate in the Chancellor of the Exche-
Vslst Propr• • .
itt e Yof taking the observations scanh had
vth 41. - most serious attentive consideration d,
)11,k,.vioilif,ter that deliberation to concur with him,.
'do pt such measure., for the limitation of
4(4°1(1',11s t-„3,a, might be considered necessary and ad-
tst; otriskose public interests.—(Hear, hear.)
liNPrrej,),,°l\T did not think it necessary, as her Ma-
, tet-alitee -t"'C'nt approved of the appointment of the
ttteL,° detain the House at any length. As the
I\\"44lt:,ll,"egi u.vr.Sliegield, however, had alluded to a
t 4t %%ench lie had made on the subject, lie
e the Pr
`4,a,%Lae tneti louse with a very few observations.
1/411'‘ With was, that there were 800 schemes
clOttt re,i`ne Board of Trade, and from the state-
y'e ha, by the Hon. Member, it appeared that
t4t,t; passed the Standing Orders' Committee.
,titan he made was not as to the num-
-1141; 414 nee ' but to the amount of capital embarked.
ISt,. tS,II(-)as (),,,trlt, he stated that not more than a bun-
), 'lli 441 uld leo expended. Now, if he r collected
't he t4tllN,bec)junilt deposiaal in the Bank of England was
tt,%aain g the amount oftleoosit which was required
wt,hotiettle,tiespro,r,de,re to guarantee the bond fide nature
ta th, ate elected elected ; and this proved that he had not
4%, , that amount. He would now reply to
..%Ilicittkeiltelitu'letaber fur Sheffield stated in reference
aptits„%riee 3.carrl of money, which would take place in
• He (Mr. Hudson) admitted that the
44Iinut, as he stated before, they should
e into that expenditure. More than