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arose ; and it was also a fact, that the members of the Free
Church had invariably chosen for the sites of their churches
grounds in juxta- position with that on whick the olden church
bad been built for the purpose of drawing away the congrega-
ion. He called this a gross act of injustice to grant this pro
position ; but he would go further, and say that no property
of which possession had been taken, should then be interfered
with. Under all circumstances he would say, he did think
it would be consistent with the principles he had always ad-
vocated to vote for the motion, that the Bill be read a second
time that day six months.
Mr. BABE proposed the adjournment of the debate to
that day week, which,
After a few words from Mr. FOX MAULE, was agreed to.
RAILWAY COMPANIES DISSOLUTION BILL.
Sir GEORGE CLERK moved the second reading of this
Bill, which he said was one which would be found of great
utility, and which might in fact be called the winding up
Act, in order to giv-3 to c:lrta'n c)oloanie3 in an inchoate
state the power of di3olving, if they should deem such a
course necessary.

Mr. HUDSON said, he felt that he was taken a good deal
by surprise by the manner in which this Bill had been
brought forward, as he had certain clauses to propose to be
inserted in it, which he looked upon of so much importance,
that he would take the sense of the House upon them. He
had submitted those clauses to the Solicitor-General, and he
bad expressed his approval of them, and therefore he could
not see why they should not be inserted. He then handed in
the proposed amendments.
Mr. HUME wished to know how they were to avoid liti-
gation in the ewes provided for in the Bill? He thought
that the Government should introduce a clause appointing an
auditor.
Sir GEORGE CLERK sail. it bad been considered, and
the only provision they could make was to have a fiat in
bankruptcy.
Sir G. CLERK moved that the clauses be brought up to-
morrow (Thursday), and that the Bill be then read a third

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time. -
Mr. HUDSON hoped that the third reading would be
postponed to Friday, as he had to leave town to• morrow to
open a railway.
The third reading was then postponed till Friday.
POOR REMOVAL BILL.

Sir JAMES GRAHAM, at five minutes to six o'clock,
wowed that the House should go into Committee pro forma
on the Poor Removal Bill.
The House then went into Committee, and immediately
after resumed, when the remaining private business was gone
through, and the House adjourned at six o'clock.

RAILWAY COMMITTEES,
(YESTERDAY.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.

NORTH BRITISH AND SAWICZ BRANCH.
The Select Committee appointed to consider the merits of the above
Bills met this morning at eleven o'clock, in room B (New Houses of
Parliament). The members are—Lord Abinger (chairman), the
Dukes of Buckingham and Grafton, Earl Burlington, and Lerd
Downes.

Mr. TALBOT appeared for the promoters of the Bill.
Their Lordships were occupied for more than an hour with a dis-
cussion as to the right of the trustees of the Kelso Union Roads to
oppose the Bill, on the grounds that by the diversion of traffic their
revenues would be greatly diminished. It was ultimately decided
that the opposition could not be entertained.
Mr. TALBOT then proceeded to address the Committee on the part
of the promoters of tke Bill. He addressed the Committee very
shortly, stating that the proposed were two branches of
the existing North British Railway, to Selkirk and to Ha-
wick, and were proposed by the North British Railway
Company. The total length was 24 miles, and the esti-
mate was 350,0004 The line would give great accommodation to
a highly important district, namely, the neighbourhood of Kelso,
Selkirk, Berwick, Hawick, &c. &c. The only opposition was on
the part of the road trustees.
Mr. J. Miller, the engineer to the line, was then called,
and gave the usual engineering evidence at considerable
length. The length of the line and the estimate were as
stated by Mr. Talbot. The steepest gradient was 1 in 73, wbich
occurred on the Hawick branch, and the steepest gradient on the
Selkirk line was lin 200. The sharpest curve hail a radius of three
tUrlongs.
The question of the admissibility of the opposition on the part of '
the Kelso Union Trust was then revived. The matter was dis-
wasted at great length.
Mr. PicXERING (on the part of the trustees) proposed the inser-
tion of a clause to the effect that the promoters should compensate
the trustees for any injurythey should sustain, and that the amount
of compensation should be settled by private agreement, or in case
no such arrangement could be made, the matter should be referred to
the Sheriff of Berwick.
Mr. 'Luxor would not agree to the introduction of this clause.
In the course of the desultory discussions to which this
question gave rise, Mr. PICKERING urged that, although road
trustees in England could not oppose railway Bills on account of the
diminution of their revenues, yet trustees in Scotland ought
to be admitted to oppose on that ground, as they were
Individually and personally bound, by bonds, to produce the
requisite funds for the construction of the roads, and
were liable even to personal arrest if they failed to produce
them—the Engli'sh trustees not being bound by any such bond, and
not being personally liable.
Mr. TALlso'r made an offer that the Railway Company should be-
come lia'aie for one half of the bond due on the west branch of the
Kelso Union Roads, which he said was alone Influenced by this line,
Mr. PICKERING refused to accede to this offer.
Mr. TALBOT having referred to the case of the Berwick and Sel-
kirk Bill, which passed the nettle of Commons last session, and in
which a clause similar to the present was proposed by the Kelso
Union Road Trustees, and was rejected,
Mr. PICKERING called a witness, Mr. Corry, to prove that in
the case of the Berwick and Selkirk line the roads were actually
benefited, and the traffic increased ; and that that was the reason
why the opposition was not admitted ; but in this case a diminution
of revenue would be sustained by the road trustees.
The Committee ordered the room to be cleared, and on our re-ad-
mission, in about a quarter of an hour,
The CHAIRMAN said, the sole questkin which the Committee have
considered—and the sole question which they thought themselves
bound to consider—was whetittr the Kelso Chtion Road Trustees
were entitled to compensation from the North British Railway
Company, and they have shine, to the determination that they are
not so entitled.
The Bills being now uner,posed,
The Committee passto. both preambles, and having disposed of the clauses, rose and isisseaved at about a quarter past two o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
GROUP 11.
CO It NW. A RAILWAY.
The Committee wet at the usual hour Viscount Morpeth in the

Several witnesses were examined, who gave evidence in favour
bf the central line ; among the rest
Lieutenant Dunstan, K.N. During his crOSS•examitiatiOn, however,
by Mr. AfEnivatr, on the feeling of the inhabitants of Cos k in favour
of a communication with Padstow, he stated that he attended
there as a deputation to point out the superiority of
ft line communicating between Exeter and Padstow, and moved
a rf.eolution to that effect; Major Beamish, however, moved the
following amendment, which was carried unanimously (we give It
verbatim, and we need not say that the reading of it in the Com-
mittee caused roars of laughter) :—Resolved, " That the people cf
Ireland have long and painfully experienced the evils of strange in-
terfereace in our internal concerns, proceeding as well from
the ignorance as the arrogance of those who have unjustly
and fraudulently usurped the power of making laws
for our Government, and irrespective of our laws.
That our melancholy experience of the calamities inflicted on our
Country by such interference "plainly suggests to us the in/policy of
any attempt on our parts to, interfere in the conflicting local concerns
of England, and that it does not become us as Irishmen to approach
the Board of Tract:: with any expression of preference fur
either line of railway professing to connect Exeter
with Padstow, such connexion being exclusively an English
Interest, and therefore to be determined by English opinion.
That in thins practising towards England a spirit of forbearance with
regard tv her separate Interests, we hope to receive at her hands a
reciprotal observance, and we respectfully solicit Lieut. Dunstan,
that on his return to his native land he will impress on his own
Countrymen the justice of that principle for which we contend
11aMe13, the rights of her people to manage their own affairs.
Several other witnesses were called, who gave general evidence in
far)nr of the line.

The CHAIRMAN stated that he hoped the parties would bear in
inind that they had already heard a considerable quantity of evi-
dence of that nature. lie also stated that he had received a letter
from the Lords of the Admiralty, stating that they had no objection
to the construction of a bridge over the river Tamar of foer arches, of
the 'aloe size, and of the greatest possible height consistent with the
standing orders, provided that the Cornwall Railway Company Would
provide a steam, tug at their own expense for the purpose of towing
vessels through tho arches.
The Committee, having heard the evidence of Mr. ;Hampton,
engineer, of Plymouth, with reference to the expense of constructing
a larger ferry to accommodate the railway traffic, and also to build
the bridge at Saltash, adjourned till Friday next, at twelve o'clock.

GROUP VIII.
The Committee met to••day at twelve o'clock I Sir William Clay in
the chair.

AYRSHIRE AND GALLOWAY.

The case on behalf of this line Was reiamed.
Mr. William Sommerville., cattle dealer, and lessee of a coal work
at Dalmellington, gave e7idence as to supplying con. iderable quan:
titles of coal to the south of that town by carts, and that the railway
would"be of great benefit in taking the minerals along it. He also
deposed that the litte 'would be largely used for the conveyance of
cattle.

Mr. HP.3, It landowner, was examined to the effect that the line
Would confer great benefit to the agriculture of Kirkcudbrightshire.
It Wduld bring coal and lime in abundance into the county ; whereas
at present there was a very deficient supply.
31r. Maxwell, of Monchies, corroborated the evidence of the pre-
vious witness.

Mr. Holdwo rth, of Glasgow, was called and briefly examined in
support of Mr. Hunter's evidence of yesterday, and said that he was
preparing to erect furnaces for the manufacturing of iron in the
'neighbourhood of Dalmellington. The efficient working of it would
much depend on the construction of the railway.
Mr. Spalding, of Balmaciellan deposed that the hcemitile of iron
Pervaded his estate to a great extent. From an investi-
-latoion of the field, the ore was supposed to extend through
Njo9 acres of laud. In portions of the ore, the proportion of iron
cast,..a_s muche.at as CO per cent., and was nearly as good as the produce
(11,`'po"sqln.groif
anyid. lie hail ex; ectations if the ore turned out well, of
been found on quantlty of it in Staffordshire. Copper ore had also
Shipping the its estate.
vc,h,,,t,,1m„,
,at
RaiTchaeryluinaey.would afford great facility for
Mr. einem
by bringihg tem Spoke as to the .;cleantages the line would confer
and iime from Ayrshire into Galloway. lie valued
the land tti tip taken ter the railway, and he furnished the estimate to
the engineer.
• CrOts-ex
atnined -This NI 4+2, nie .t. line lie had ever estimated for.
M.r. Knight, on his cross_ urination 'said this was the first line
be ever estimated for. His eatimist:l(
for 36
Allies, was 800/. The land to be taken{ervtlltue damage,
which he set down at 19,1741. lane was 374 t. acres,those
Several other witnesses were examined on cumin, points
r.p..l4enet.:l
referred to by the preceding witnesses.
ii le-neer, was then examined at
the engineering Character
d sidings, and with • bridges
Mr.
3f
'ealluni'
'lvacetic-7*i of the line. It was p
and
single line, with 'passings a" aTscheenrdeli wasig gradient
another
land for a double line. The severest Vii 5. erlee7t
to the Dahnellington coal field was
liiiin 55, about boar mil es
75.
There was no
ascending gradient beyond the cant field
waso f l
long. Tue heaviest descending gradient
tunnel on tile line. The sharpest curve on licetiie
twenty-two chains. None of the worksw
throughout tiswere te
in
An extraordinary character. • Hie estimate
as
of
520,0001., which he thought quite sufficient. The Permanent
Tor land and resldenttal damage was 35,000/.
the
whole".lto valuelewr
The was
way was U 74/. per mile, or in all 163,1641.earthwork201,701/. • masonry, bridges, &c 44,7151. ; stock engines, 41,..)50l . ;
The earthwork w
stations, 15,315/. ; contingencies,lB,7ls/. The working expenses he
estimated at 16,032 f. The maintenance of the way was 4,0951. addi-
tional. His estimate of the gross receipt; was 48,8571.
Mr. Sergeant ISELLests asked the witness if he could produce by
to-morrow _morning the particulars of tile cuttings, value of land,
&c., up to Dalniellington, by themselves ; 'and also the same perti-
culare with regard to the portion of the line trona Dalmellington to
IS alcory Bay. He asked for this, as the two parts of the case were
essentially different. ,
Mr. PATTEN objected to that course as unusual.
The witness del not think he would be able to give a detailed
account by that time.

Mr. Sergeant Bazests said he might as well ber ea.!), with the
detai's in writing, as he should certainly ask him for all these par-
ticulars, and he ought to be prepared.
'Witn►ess was, thsit cross-examined, with the object of showing that
he had but little experience in constrttcting rai:ways.
Theeouunittee adjourned at four o'clock till one o'clock to-morrow.

GROUP
2VZID T RIC T.
The Committee met at eleven o'clock. Present, Mr. Protheroe
(chairman), Lord Eualyn, Mr. John O'Connell, and Mr. Grogan.
Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD replied on behalf of the Kent Atmo-
spheric R.tilway. He Said that the line he represented laboured
Under considerable disadvauteges in coming before the Committee as
a line competing with the lines for which the South-Eastern Company
bad obtained Acts of Parliament. The object of each company, he must
confess, was to shorten the distance between London and Tunbridge,
London and Maidstone, London and Dover, and London and Has-
tings; Direct lines had attracted public attention, and the Leglsla-
tutu seemed determined at no very distant perio I of time to insist
Amon those advantages which the Kent Atmospheric now Nell out to
the
,public under the most favourable and economical circumstances.
The distance to Dover through Maidstone, by their proposed atmos-
pheric line, would be 24% miles, whereas the distance by the South_
Eastern line is 32 miles. In addition their line would accommodate
the town of Sevenoaks, a most important neighbourhood, which the
South-Eastern had neglected, except by casting out a
branch a mile and a half in length, with a gradient of 1
to 59. The South-Eastern making that effort, bad 88 it was,
showed the importance of affording a traffic and a communication ac-
cornmodation to the town of Sevenoaks. The Earl of Stanhope, In his
usual straightforward and intelligent manner, had given evidence
of the value of the proposed atmospheric line as regards Sevenoaks
dlalrict smug it, awl WA told the Committee that the amoral