The Sun.
London, England, 1846-08-21 00:00:00

11IILLBANK PRISON.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid on the table seven]
documents and reports in reference to this establishment.
CONFERENCE WITH THE COM ONS.

The following Noble Lords were then appointed to meet II e
Commons in Confer, nee on the Bill alrt ady named : —The
Earl of Minto, Earl Spencer, Earl Duck, the Bishop of Ox-
fo:d, Lord Ponsnnby, Lord Churchill, and Lord Monteaple.
The members oft he deputation then withdrew, and after an
absence ( f about five minutes, returned..

The Earl of MINTO, approaChing the table, said the
Commons had submitted to them the reasons why they dis-
sented from certain amendments made in the Bill in their
Lordships' House.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE then moved that the
House do not insist on the amendments referred to, which
was agreed to.
Their Lordships immediately after adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, August 20.
PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND) (No. 4) BILL.
The House then went into Committee on this Bill.
The several clauses having been agreed to, the House re-
sumed, the Chairman reported progress, and the report was
ordered to be brought up tomorrow.
A messenger from the Lords brought up several Bills, which
were ordered to lie on the table.

PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND) (No. 5) BILL.
The House went into a Committee on this Bill.
The several clauses were read and agreed to.
The House resumed, and the report was ordered to be
brought up to-morrow.
CONSTABULARY (IRELAND) BILL.
The House went into Committee on this Bill, and the
several clauses were read and agreed to.
Mr. WILLIAMS remarked, before Mr. Greene left the
chair, that it was his opinion that this force was purely mili-
tary, and the expenses ought to be voted among the army es-
timates.

The report was ordered to be brought up to-morrow.
The House resumed.
TITHES COMMUTATION BILL

This Bill was read a third time and passed.
ECCLESIASTICAL PATRONAGE BILL.
This Bill was read a second time, an I ordered to be cont
witted tomorrow.

MARRIAGES (IRELAND) BILL.
Several clauses were brought up, and the Bill was read a
third time and passed.
LEASES (IRELAND) BILL.
The House went into Committee on this Bill. The several
dames were gone through and agreed to, and the Bill was
ordered to be reported to-morrow.
PRIVATE BILLS BILL.
The House went into Committee on this Bill, and the dames
having been read and agreed to, the Bill was ordered to be
reported to-morrow.
RAILWAY COMMISSIONERS BILL.

On the order of the day for the second reading of this Bill,
Colonel SIBTHORY said, ho begged to enter his protest
against the 13ill, for he could not assent to a Bill of so much
importance being brought forward at so late a period of the
session. Some more consideration ought to be given to the
subject of the al•pointment of the officers whose salaries were
to come out of the consolidated fund. He would not oppose
the second reading of the Bill, but he gave notice when the
Bill was in Committee he should move that the sixth clause be
struck out.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
would consent to leave out the latter part of the clause in
question, and ho therefore hoped that the Hon. and Gallant
Member would not persist in his opposition. He hoped that
Hon. Members would not impede the progress of the Bill at
that period of the session because he believed that it had the
assent of nine-tenths of the House.—(Hear, hear. )
Mr. B. ESCOTT said he could not perceive, from the
Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor cf the Exchequer's
statement, what was the object of the Bill, whether it was to
assist or impede the progress of railway Bills. He did not
think that it was possible to construct a board which would re-
ceive more confidence from the public than thu present board.
The Nab Leid at the bead et thlt point, es well 0 the ether

members, were most admirably adapted to the transactions of
the business that came before them. - T•iis Bill would
not tend in the slightest degree to put an end to the
unseemly scenes which took place in that House on railway
Bills; those who took part in those animated debates being ex-
cited to a most extraordinary degree, because their pockets
were at stake. Although he was opposed to the Bill, he quite
concurred with the Hon. and Gallant Member opposite in
thinking it best not to d, lay the passing of the measure by any
vexatious opposition.—( Hear, hear. )
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be
committed to-morrow.

DISTRICT LUNATIC ASYLUMS (IRELAND) BILL.
The House having resolved itself into a Committee on this
Bill,

Sir R. FERGUSON said he should oppose the very firs'
clause, because he did not see the necessity of the measure.
Mr. PIG OTT having replied,
Sir R. FERGUSON then opposed the clause as to the ofi•
cers' salaries.

Sir GEORGE GREY, in the absence of the Chancellor o;
the Exchequer, was not prepared to defend the clause, and
thought that the Bill ought to he postponed until to-morrow,
when the necessary explanation would be given by that gentle-
man.

The House accordingly resumed, and the Chairman reported
progre,s, and obtained leave to sit again to-morrow.
THE CAPTAIN OF HER MAJESTY'S SHIP ALARM.

Captain PECH ELL then rose to move for a copy of the
order from the Vice-Admiral, commanding at Bermuda, for
assembling a court-martial to investigate certain charges pre-
ferred against Mr. James Chimmo, Paymaster and Purser of
her Majesty's ship Alarm ; also copies of a letter addressed to
the Commander-in-Chief, by Mr. James Chimmo, dated the
28th day of February, 1846. The Hon and Gallant Member,
in support of his motion, briefly detailed some instances of al-
leged ill treatrsent and illegalities on the part of the Captain of
the ship in question. He thought the circumstances connected
with the case were of such a nature as to call for the immediate
attention of the Board of Admiralty, and he felt that it the at-
tention of that Board was directed to the subject, they would
agree with him that a gross act of injustice had been perpetrated
upon that officer.
Admiral DUNDAS would refuse the return of the papers
moved for; they would be of to public benefit, nor would they
6e at all calculated to advance the interests of that officer
himself.

Mr. WILLIAMS regretted the course which the Admiralty
thought pr.-Te... to pursue in this case. lie thought the public
should be made acquainted with the proceedings of courts-
martial held on board of her Majesty's ships of war. Inferior
officers should be protected against the tyranny of their supe-
rior officers.

Captain PLUM RIDGE hoped that the Government would
consent to lay upon the table of the House the minutes of the
court-martial, if they did nut feel disposed to grant the papers
moved for.

Captain BERKELEY %vas quite ready to take his share in the
refusal of the papers moved for by the Hon. and Gallant Mem-
ber for Brighton. . _

After a few words from Captain PECHELL, the motion
was withdrawn.

PATENTS COMMISSION BILL.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the first reading of
this Bill, and gave notice that to.morrow he should move that
the Bill pass through the remaining stages.
WASTE LANDS (AUSTRALIA) BILL.
This Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be read a
second time to-morrow.

The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at Half-past Ten.

CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT.
OLD COURT.
(Before Baron PLATT and Alderman Hucams.)
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Upon the motion of Mr. BALLANTINE, the trial of the
man Clive, who stands charged with manslaughter, the
charge arising out of the recent collision upon the Eastern
Counties Railway, was postponed until the next assizes,
the defendant being allowed to go at large upon bail.
James Lloyd, 35, milkman, was indicted for the man-
slaughter of Thomas Alexander Bartlett.
Mr. %V ilde conducted the prosecution, Mr. Prendergast de-
fended the prisoner. _ _

It appeared that on the day named in the indictment, the
deceased, who was a young lad, was playing v.ith some of
his companions about the same age, at a game called
" pussy cat," which consists in striking a piece of wood
pointed at both ends, and it seemed that deceased struck the
"cat" against the prisoner, who immediately struck the de-
ceased a blow, and when he ran away he followed him and
struck him a second time, and he fell against the wall, 'and
it was alleged that in consequence of these blows he received
such injuries as to cause his death. The evidence, however,
was not by any means conclusive upon the point.
The jury therefore returned a verdict of Not Guilty.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
MANSION-HOUSE.

Phillip Ryan, the secretary to a b,nefit society, called
t%e `• Old Priemls," was summoned lief ,re Alterman
Gibs fur having refused to give up any of the fund; tor
the payment of the sick, who, as members, had claims
upon it._ _ _

Mr. Hobler, who appeared for the secretary, objected
in limini that the magistrate had no jurisdiction in the
case, inasmuch as the society was one which was con-
ducted upon the principle of secret signs and obligations.
A schism had stsrted out of the ill gil character of it,
and several of the members were anxious to secede, and
establish it upon a basis not liable to so injurious an
objection.
Alderman GIBBS asked M. Hobler whether he could
prove that the society was regulated by secret signs and
obligations upon oath ?—Mr. Ilobler replied that the
13th rule directed that no brother should make known
the signs of the brotherhood or disclose the secrets of
the society.
The- Solicitor to the complainant said he knew of no
secret signs or obligations as influencing the members.
That was an argument merely put forth to sanction the
unfair attempt of some of the dissatisfied members to
get the money into their own hands. •

Mr. I.loblei—My client is ready to give up the money
at once. All he wants to know is to whom to give it up
without being placed in the dilemma of responsibility- to
rhose who of ject to a secession from the society. ido
not know that it is in the power of any t:uthority to
decide in such a case except the Court of Exchequer,
who can give a legal discharge to my client, supposing he
should part with the money.
The Solicitor to the complainant said that the sick
were suffering by the detention of the money, and the
secretary would be completely justified in yielding to so
undoubted a claim.

Alderman G IBBS-W hat is the meaning of the letters
N. 0. F., which appelr to be hicrog:iphically placed ?
The complainant—That means " noble old friend."—
(Laughter.) We must have titles or we could not exist
as a charity.

Alde►man Gross—Do you really administer any
secret oath ? The complainant—Not at all.
Mr. Hobler—l shall show you whether secret signs
are not passed, and secret oaths are not administered.
A young man here stepped forward, and said—My
Lord, you cannot come into the lodge without giving a
sign. When you are first made a member you are
blindfolded, and you are sworn upon a naked sword.
The complainant—What are the words used—the
exact word ? Witness—You are given a drawn sword,
and you must keep it and say " so be it," declaring
that you pill not reveal the secrets of the members.
The complainant's solicitor—Really there is no secre
at all in that.

Witness—Nebo iy can enter the apartment in which
the society is held without making • a sign. You must
first go up and lur,ck at the door, and that noi,e is an-
swered by a scratching inside, like a cat.—(A laugh.) I
endeavoured to get rid of that sort of mummery, and
we had it overruled. But it is attempted to play all
sorts of tricks with the money. The officers parade the
streets with flags, go to public dinners, and drink abun-
dance of gin and waver at the expense of the poor. One
of them drew the sword upon me, and attempted to run
me through. Now, what we want is to have the money
fairlydivicLd amongst the members. _ _

Alderman GinnW said he believed, for the reasons
stated there, and for other reasons, that he could not
decide ; but recommended the parties to refer the case
to Mr. Tidd Pratt, and
The Secretary put all the money in to Mr. Goodman's
hands, and consented to abide by the authority of tha
gentleman.