The Sun.
London, England, 1846-05-26 00:00:00

RAILWAY.

This Bill was read a third time and passed.
On the motion of Mr. WARBURTON, the Kendal Unicn
Gas and Water Bill was read a third time, as were the
Warrington Waterworks and the Great North of England
Bills.
Mr. DILLON BROWNE presented a petition from Kil-
common, in the county of Mayo, praying for the discharge of
Mr. Smith O'Brien from the custody of the Sergeant-at-Arms.
Mr. J. M. M'DONALD presented a petition from tha
barony of Costello, county of Mayo, to the same effect.
Mr. O'CONNELL presented 17 petitions from various
places in Ireland against the Coercion Bill, and also one from
the town council of Cork, praying for the release of Mr. Smith
O'Brien from the custody of the Sergeant-at- Arms.
Mr. B. ESCOTT presented a petition from inhabitants of
the city of Winchester, in favour of the Catholic Relief Bill.
Sir G. SINCLAIR presented a petition from the Peace
Society of Preston against the enrolment of the militia.
DUTY UPON FOREIGN SUGAR.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL presented a petition from Glas-
gow, praying for the abolition of the distinction between free.
labour and other foreign sugar. He said that the petitioners
complained of the inefficient supply of sugar at present in the
market, and that the West India sugar imported into this
country this year was 30,000 tons less than it was last year.
The petitioners further prayed that sugar, the produce of
foreign countries, be might admitted on the same terms as sugar
the produce of free labour in foreign countries.
ROCHDALE POLICE.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD begged leave to ask Sir
James Graham (with reference to the return containing the
correspondence on the Rochdale borough memorial, Parlia-
mentary paper, No. 313, May 14th) whether inquiry was
made by Captain Woodford, chief constable, into the c4rgts
against the police, referred to in that memorial, as stated to
have been made in the reply of the Rochdale magistrates ;
and, if so, what was the result of that inquiry ; and, whether
Sir James Graham has any objection to lay before the House
the proceedings thereon ?
Sir J. GRAHAM said he had ordered the inquiry to be
made and when he had received it it should be laid upon the
table of the House.
FOREIGN SUGAR DUTIES.
Lord JOHN 'RUSSELL begged leave to give notice that
he would, upon an early day after the Whitsuntide holiday'',
move in Committee on the Sugar Duties Bill for a reduction
on foreign sugars, the produce of slave labour, to the same
amount as that now levied upon sugar the produce of free
labour ; and that if that should not be acceded to he would
move for the removal of differential duties upon all foreign
sugars.
IRISH LAND COMMISSION REPORT.

Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD beiged leave to ask Sir
R. Peel, whether any Bill or Bills on subjects referred to and
recommended for consideration in the Irish Land Commission
Report will be proposed by her Majesty's Government this
session ; and if so, when it may be expected they will be sub-
mitted to Parliament, and to what points of such recommen-
dation they will relate. ?
Sir ROBERT PEEL said he was so well aware of the
excellent example which the Honourable Member set in Ire-
land as a landlord, that he conceived he was fully
entitled to ask that question, and he could assure
the Honourable Member and the House that this was a sub-
ject which had occupied the most earnest attention of the Go-
vernment; but the House was aware that a change had recently
taken place in the office of Chief Secretary for Ireland, and
that since the appointment of his Noble Friend to that offies
he had been totally disabled by illness from paying any at-
tention to public business, and that was the sole reason
of legislation upon this subject having been delayed so long;
but when his Noble Friend should be able to attend he would
be enabled to furnish an outline of the general plan contem-
plated by her Majesty's Government. In the meantime he
(Sir Robert Peel) might say that measures were about
being brought forward, into a detail of which it would be
premature in him now to enter, but
compensation
would
to
tenants justsay a t
one of them was to be a Bill for giving
great pleasure
the ejectment et tenants in Ireland—(Cheers)--and the third
would tab' a short outline for a general form of --(Cheers)—the second, aBM to amend the
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propose at once, without a notice, a motion on the
subject.
out the universal opinion with regard to the
in which her Majesty discharged her domestic duties!" (Hear, hear.) He would without further observation move,
" That the House do present an address of congratulation to
her Majesty on the addition to her domestic happiness by the
I birth of a Princess."

Lord .1. RUSSELL was sure that every Member of the
House would concur in the sentiments enressed, and every re.
mark which had fallen from the Right lion. Baronet with re-
hard to her Most Gracious Majesty. He would content
imself with simply seconding the motion.
The motion was then put and agreed to.
MR. SMITH O'BRIEN.
Mr. SHAW said that he rose, pursuant to a notice which be
had given, to move the discharge from the custody of the
Sergeant-at. Arms of Mr. Smith O'Brien. He begged
to state, in deference to the Hon. and Learned Member for the
county of Cork, who had also a motion to the same effect, that
he would have given way to the Hon. and Learned Member on
this matter, but that he (Mr. Shaw) felt his motion to be
better calculated to the discharge of the Hon. Member now in.
custody. It was that feeling alone, and not a spirit
of rivalry which prompted him to press his motion.—( Hear,
hear.) The Committee which the Hon. Member had
refused to attend had new concluded its labours, and therefore
he was satisfied that there was nothing now to keep the Hon.
Member longer in confinement. The Committee had not yet
made their report, but all their labours had concluded, and he
would be borne out in that statement by the Hon.
Chairman of that Committee. He would move that William
Smith O'Brien, Esq., in custody of the
Sergeant-at-Arens at-
tending this House, be discharged out of custody, paying his
fees. ' _ _

Mr. HENLEY said that the Committee had concluded
its labours, and it now only remained for them to report to the
House ; and he could assure the House, when supporting the
motion of the Hon. Member for the University of Dublin, that
the public business had not suffered by the absence of the
Hon. Member, Mr. O'Brien, from the Committee.—(A laugh.)
Mr. P. BUTLER was glad to find that the motion now
before the House had emanated from the
_Honourable
Member for the University of Dublin. He did not
think it necessary to read the letter which had
been written by Mr. Smith O'Brien. The substance of that
letter was already sufficiently before the House. He could
not in any way find fault with the conduct of their ex-
cellent Sergeant-at-Arms, as he oughßtuttooudotiiief heresefoal-t
lowed the subject of that letter.
auspicious occasion, he did conceive that seine Peourso
might be pursued alike consistent with the dignity
of the House, and with the honour of that Member whose dis-
charge he sought to obtain.
Sir R. PEEL said that the question of the Hon. Member
pertained to the point whether the discharge of Mr.
Smith O'Brien was consistent with the honour of the
House. In reply he was bound to say that no one regretted
the detention of that Hon. Member more than he did, and
that they had not the benefit of his presence on that, as it bad
well been termed, auspicious eceasion.—( Cheers.) Now he
was bound to say that her Majesty's Government had had few
more anxious subjects of consideration than his detention in,
custody.—( Cheers.) Now it was the impression of her Ma-
jesty's Government that it was impossible to detain that Hon,

Gentleman in custody, and yet act In accordance with the feel-
nes of the House, as they appeared in the course of this debate.
He vas asked whether he wield any longer consent to the sus-
ttely of :Mr. Smith O'Brien, and whether his release c mid be
eneeted cons;stently with a regard to the authority of the
Horse In repie he must say, that he thought the authority
of the House had been sufficiently vindicated, and that Mr. S.
O'Brien might be discharged from custody. In accordance,
then, with the universal feeling of the House, he should move
that Mr. O'Brien be accordingly discharged—( Loud cheers)—
especially when he recollected Hon. Members had discharged
their duties, and taken their part in the labours which had been
necessarily imposed upon Parliament.—( Cheers. )
- The motion was carried with loud cheers, and without a
division.
Pr.OTECTION OF LIFE IN IRELAND BILL.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL wished to remind the Right
Hoe. Gentleman at the head of the Government ( Sir R.
Peel) that the Bill for the Protection of Life in Ireland,
stood for its second reading to-day. From the speech of the
Right Hon. Gentleman, he had expected that it would come
on to.day, but he regretted to find that it had been postponed
until after the holidays, in consideration of a number of mis-
celleneous statements, and he should wish to know when the
second reading of the Bill would take piece.
Sir R. PEEL regretted that this Bill had been postponed,
but he had given notice that it should be brought up on Fri-
day in the first instance, and that the Customs' Duties Bill
should be taken on Monday. He had done this in the expec-
tation that this measure would have been disposed of before
the recess, but this had been found impossible. He had wished
to bring forward the usual financial statement, but he hesitated
to bring forward any more Money Bills until the sanction of
the House had been obtained for the two great principles now
before the House. He hoped, however, to take the second
reading of this Bill en Friday next.
SPANISH DISCRIMINATING DUTIES.
Mr. LA BOUCHERE wished to ask of the Government
whether the report was true that discriminating duties ha
been imposed on British produce in the harbours of Cu and
Porto Rico.
Sir R. PEEL said that his attention had not been drawn to
this subject until he had seen it noticed in the newspapers, but
that upon observing the statements, he had read the dispatches,
which contained, so far as he could see, no such intention ; but
he wou'd decline giving any more explicit answer until he had
reread the dispatches.
REDUCTION OF CRIME IN IRELAND.
Mr. O'CONNELL asked whether there was any proof in
the hands of the Government of the public report, that since
the administration of relief to the starving poor in Ireland
there had been a great reduction of crime in that country?
Sir R. PEEL could not at present give the Hon. and
Learned Member any specific assurance of the fact, but he
believed that in the main the public reports were true.
RAILWAY CLASSIFICATION.
Mr. BERNAL complained of the present system of classification
with regard to railways, and wished' to ask the Right Hon. Gentle-
man, the Vice-President of the Board of Trade, if it was proposed
to make any alteration in the system by which the present evils
would be obviated.
Sir G. CLERK said that the classification of groups rested with the
Chairman of the Committee, and though inconvenience might oc-
casionally result from the merits of railways belonging to the same
locality being considered by different Committees, he believed the
territorial division was carried out as far as possible ; and he was not
prepared to say that any alteration would be made in the system.
On the motion that the order of the day be read for going into a
Committee of supply,
Mr. LAWSON said he was sorry that the statements he had felt it
to he his duty to make a few evenings ago, had ham made the subject
of a great deal of controversy in the public press, and he wished to
take that opportunity of exploit lag.
S,r ROBER L PEEL did not consider the Hon. Gentleman was
quite in order in making any explanations on the subject then, and,
at any rate, he should have given previous notice of his intention
to do so.
Mr. LAWSON had no objection to postpone doing so till to-morrow,
if the House would give him leave to bring it on then before any
other business was proceeded with.
Sir R. PEEL had no doubt that the House would give every at-
thation to the Hon. Gentleman when he did refer to the subject, but
on the other hand, he must say that the explanation of the Hon.
Gentleman would be very imperfect in the absence of the Hon.
Alderman (Mr. Humphrey).
Mr. EWART did not wish to prevent the Hon. Gentleman from
making his explanation, but he was first on the list of notices to-
morrow evening, and he did not feel bound to waive his right of pre-
cedence.
Mr. LAWSON. said, that under the circumstances, and after the
explanation of the Hon. Member opposite, he would defer his motion.
MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES.

Mr. WILLIAMS said he had to complain of the manner in which
the miscellaneous estimates were to be brought before the House.
He had not received a copy of them until this morning, and he un-
derstood they were to be brought on to-night. Now, he should say
that he never before heard of the miscellaneous estimates being
brought on before the Army and Navy estimates ; and he did not
think it was anything better than a farce to send so short a notice of
es:im.t•s like those, which contained so many hundreds of items.
Mr. CARDWELL said they had been brought forward according
to ther order in the list.
Mr. HUME expected that notice of those estimates would have
been sent out at least 15 days ago.
The CH INCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the Govern-
ment had no wish to depart from the usual course ; but these esti-
mates contained so many items that they necessarily forced on them
the attention of the Government.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the usual course was to begin with
the army or navy estimates, and to take the miscellaneous estimates
last. He should say that the present appeared to him to be rather
an unumii coulee, for he did not expect that the House would be
called upon to agree to those estimates without any notice whatever.
Mr. V. SMITH would wish to know whether it was the intention
to bring on these estimates without any notice.
Sir R. INGLIS said he had received a copy of the estimates, by
which tt appeared that they had been or:ered to be printed so far
back as the sth May.
Mr. AGLIONBY was surprised that the questions put by the Hon
Member near him had not been answered.
Mr. CARDWELL said the only cause of delay in printing the
estimates was their great length.
Sir R. PEEL said the vote was necessary, and he hoped the Home
would not consider that her Majesty's Government was taking it by
surprise.
The House then went into Committee on the
MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES AND CIVIL CONTINGENCIES.
Upon a vote of 50.000/. to her Majesty for civil contingencies
having been proposed,
Mr. WILLIAMS said he could not agree to that large sum. There
were various items paid out of that money which had no business to
be paid at all. Ho found a sum of 600/. was paid to the Bishop of
Tripoli, and another sum to the Bishop of another place, and he
really collet not see why so much money should be squandered. An-
other item was that of 350!. to Sir Strafford Canning for defraying
the expenses of an excusion which was of no benefit to this country.
He found another sum of 10,0001. set down towards paying the ex-
penses of the Relief Commission in Ireland. Thera was another sub-
ject !hey had a few nights ago a discussion on, the payment of the
officers of the Exche- tier. Me wished to know whether these officers
had all discharged their duty. Then he would turn to the Church of
Scotland, and when he saw the way in which the Independent
Church of Scotland had come forward with their 100,0001., he really
did think it was not right for the paid Church of Scotland to come to
the Government and ask for public assistance. He wished to know
what the Government intended to do with respect to these claims ?
Mr. CARDWELL would go through the several points for his no-
tice of which he expressed himself obliged. With regard to the con-
veyance of ecclesiastical persons on board of her Majesty's vessels, it
was considered that it was decided that when the Government de-
termined that these persons should be conveyed at the public expense,
it would be improper to oblige the captains of the several vessels to
m !tee out bills. When it was recollected that the bishops went out
fora groat public object, he was quite sure that the small charge of
171. in one instance, and of 1201. in another, would not be considered
to be excessive. Then with regat dto badges the whole expense
appeared to be ordy about 1,5001. ; and as to the charge for the visits
of foreign potentates, with which the country was sometimes grati-
fied, it was evident that they must he borne by some one, :and no-
body was r• competent or so proper to bear the expense as the
country at large. Then, with regard to the costs of legal reforms, he
had to say that these charges were very shorn, to cease, and did not
now exceed 6,000/. With aesgard to the established societies the
amount was but small, and one which had always been recognised,
so that he trust 2el that no objection would be made to it.
Mr. HUME. coull not see why this country sholl pay 6001. for a
governor to Australia, and pay it to other colonies. He would say
that if Australia could not affeed to pay their own governor, they
should be left to themselves. He also condemned the niggardly sum
paid to French sailors and others for saving the lives of English sub-
jects, which sums when compared with the large treasure wasted
upon other and less deserving objects worked very miserably indeed.
Helmet next to complain of the sum of over 7,000/. for the Commis-
sion` to Ireland, which he thought too much, and 3001. for the attend-
ance of the short-hand writer at political meetings in that country,
which he should condemn as a system of espionage that was quite
nneEnglish.
the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that with regard
to the sum of 10,000/. set dews to the Commission is Ireland he could
assure the House that that ite n was not for the expense of the Com •
mission alone, but for that purpose together with the purpose of
giriag relief to the poor of that country.
Arter a few words Mr. CHAPMAN end Mr. AGLIONET,
Mr. HAW ES said that he wished for some information -
spectine; the vote. He saw that there was certain allowance to the
Commissioners for the Culenies, and he desired to ascertain what the
expenses really were. A Commission was appointed in 1841 to in-
quire into the expenditure of the collntes. Then last year there had
beep another inquiry promised by laic Hon Friend opposite. This was
with. repect to a charge for 445/. for making an an abstract
account, and he could not possibly understand how a charge of
betfreen 4031. and 500/. a year was to be made for making up an a')-
street acconnt. Then there was another charge for furnishing the
police and rppeneleges in Scotland-yard, which he could not at all
understand. Than he observed another vote for the the amount of
1,8004. to assist the publrcatisn of the work of the zoology of South
Afr ca. He wished to know whether there were any profits from
this work. But he had heard of many such works in which there
wei no profits. Yet he would not olejeet to the vote on that account,
for be believed there were many valuable works which ought to ob-
tain-the assistance of Goverment. Then there was a charge of
1,184ie for the expenses of drawing up the Metropolitan
Building Act, and r .ally he thought - that the whole
sum- ought to be' levied as a fine upon the- drawers of that
Nil' for a more bungling or inefficient Act had he believed never
beersisreeented to Parliament. He had drawn his catalogue to-a con-
clusion, awl hoped that a satisfactory answer would be given to his
ooetrvations.
In replv.Mr. CARDWELL went through the several items of one
or two of the accounts, but stated that the gemerel answer was, that
the accounts were so voluminous that it was utterly impossible to go
through them. But he might say, that wills regard to the scientific
avert on South Africa, it was conceived advisable to render the
assieten ce of the book for public purpose-.
HARBOURS OF REFUGE.
In answer to a question from Sir CHARLET ePIER, in reference
refugetoch4atiunrsco,futNiGa
thelE s
south-eastern coast of England,
that a Commission had presented a
reeoveon the subject to the said
of the Treasury, but nothing had
as Yet:been determined u
Me.,WILLIAIIS said fin he had suggested plans by which mil-
lionemoeld be saved to thear revenue, but they had not been adopted.
Mr. HUME found fault expenses incurred in the payment
of thW fees avowed to attic :rs ene
e•cedgist there carrying out of confer-
q.can.d also of granting
ring titles of hAronas, orders of
pate, , which latter he was disposed to
Qaeeat to interfere in. u sten the right of the
The Ch tncelior of the EXCHEQUER begged to remind the Hon
Memleer that there were only 24 Knights of the Garter, and that rt.
vacancy' -.z!lattitl occur in then before the expense of the installation
of a ere, one, aed that expense was incurred by the party seeking
the honour.
After a few wortle from Mr. W. ES :OTT, the vote was agreed to.
lefe.'n a veto, of 12.1,578/. being proposed for the expeuces of public
Wirhs, and for feriusbing the same,
Mr, if i'ME wished to know how match of that sum was expended
upog the heantifyiseg of Windsor Castle. He wished to have the
exactiterna made known to the country
that
ThesCHANCELLOR OF TI/E EXCLIF,QUER said
were not kept back in conceqaence of any misappropriation

funds.
Mr.'IVILLIAMS would oppose the further grant of 1001. for the
farther'srantifying of Marlborough House. He thopght her Ma-
jesty tiie Queen Dowager had quite enough of tqe public money in
10(1.1+qtI3. a-year ; and he would therefore move that the estimate be
pounds less, for it was quite time to put a stop to gross
extr:,:n4Late,. There was an item put down fin* the expellees of
the royal ecalcslastical commissioner in Scotland, and he should
certainly ohjeet to the amount unless it were properly explained.
Mr. ArILIONGY defended the Commission, and stated that the
estimates were no more than just. The public had greatly benefltted
by ttc.Speration of the commission.

-Mr. IWILLWIS. after a few words from the Chancellor of the
ExcliNusr, Ojected to the estimates for repairing buildings and
c ithelrals Scotland.

L'3ll: til,l not conenr With all the observations of the lion.
Gent!Ann. He was of cplaion that the old buildings should not„be
allowcftto fall into decay, and that a moderate estimate should he
set apct to cov.er the cmpelses of repairs. He should not object to
the cstiiriet..

Dr. 1i3.-Pitri-tING obj.cted to 1501. for Government buildings in the
Isle He saw no reason why titer ciaiM should be made on
cort=t,liftatec while the surplus nvenne of that island did
not WO toll;,; (lonsicliciatei Fund.
The CHAiy4V7,:i<l.ol.r. of the EXCHEQUER did not think the oh-
siirvatiwt of the Hon. Gentleman quite consistent with the views
wh'e'i he usually entertained with reor.4 to men expmditare on
pu:nie work,

•
After some further objections with retard to the expenFe of pro-
viding 'azcornmodati.ii for the deposit of the public re:ords and
other it,ms in the ~:rant, the vote was agreed to.
19,0001. was granted ttir the expenses of erecting a palm-house
at Kew.
On the item of 15,515/. being proposed to defray the expense of
providing temporary accommodation for the houses of Parliament
COTlmitree-rooms, &c.,

Mr. IYILLIAMA Could not but express his dissatisfaction at this
large sum.

Mr. PROTHEROE said, that he could bear testimony to the fact
of the services of Dr. Reed. He had beet a Member of the Old
House of Commons, and he was sure that the airs of this House was
much more puan than that of tha old. Thera is as no doubt that the
ventilation was not as yet quite perfect, but it was much improved
upon the-old plan.

Cieuer ii
EVAN'S could bear testimony to the Improvements of
Dr. Read.

The vote was then agreed to.
Upon the vote of 3,4001. being proposed for frescoe paintings for
the new Mouses of Parliament.
Ir. HUME wished to know if those fresco. paintinga were only

Intended for the House of Lords, or whether they were intended for
both Houses. He certainly should regret seeing one painting more
in the House of Lords than in the House of Commons.
Sir U. PEEL said he could npt quite agree with the Hon. Gentle-
man. There was more room in the House of Lords for paintings
than in the House of Commons. There were to be statues In both
Houses, and the House of Commons would have its full shore of
them.

Mr. PETER EORTHWICK would suggest the propritey of not
being in a hurry to fill the new Houses with frescoe paintings, for
that art had not as yet reached perfection in this country.
The vote was then agreed to.
It was then proposed that the sum of 19,2251. should be granted for
the re-building of the Home-office in Downing-street, „anda
*th t
4,0001. be granted for the ventilation of the same.
After a few words in explanation from Sir R. PER'. and Mr.
Caanwitx. as to the extent of projection which would take place in
the re-building of the Admiralty, the vote was agreed to.
Upon the sum of 83,6811.
for a harbour of refuge at Holyhead
being read,
nswer to to a
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
be-
cause of Rs affording the shortest passage to
Irelahno were about to
guestion from Mr. Williams, that Holyhead bad beenindcahboastent,hnaomt
atfacile, and also because the railway company, w
form a line of railway from Holyhead to London, had agreed to cen-
tribute one-fourth of the entire expense, which had been estimated
at 620,0001.
led Theca
ilv oat, ei
cwa ansalthen agreed to. 50,0001. for the formation of the
Ca
Sir DE LACY Everts and Mr. Hewrs suggested that this sum
extent
would be more usefully employed in increasing the of e
National Gallery.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the canal had
been formed
ed and embankments made, no alternative was left but
eithergo on with the Bill, or subject a great portion of the country,
which was below the level of the canal, to a most destructive inunda-
tion.
Mr. HUME would wish to know in what state the canal was now,
and what prospect there was of its being completed. It had already
cost 150,0001.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said, that the work had originally cost
1,000,0001., and it then became a quastlon, whether it would be
wiser to go on with it or destroy it. A co:ssmitlee was appointed
to inquire into the state of the canal, and trier report was
to the effect that it would cost so ranch to destroy the work, and that
as no prvate contractor could be got to undertake the completion of
it, the Governmknt ha'i deemed it advisable to compete it.
Mr. CARDIVELL said he had been assured that the whole would
be completed in a very short time, he believed in about a year or
two. If he was correct in his impressions 10,4001. more had been
expended that was anticipated.
Colonel SIBTHORPE said that the Hon. Mamber was now quoting
the returns which would answer his expectations. Why not drain
this Caledonian Canal at once ? We find that every drain in the
canal shares was a benefit to railroads. Why then was not this
canal turned into a railway ? This was only one of the
jobs which was as numerous on this side of the House as there was
on the other. He would instance that nameless one of the National
Gallery. which was a disgrace to the country. The ministe' ought
to be able to answer these questions, and if he did not he was not fit
to be the minister.—(Loud cheers.) They are called upon year
after year to vote those monies without any sort of explanation.
(Laughter.) He had it in contemplation to regulate the salaries
which were drawn out of the pockets of the people. This 19 a sort
of legislation to which he should always set his face against, and if
there was to be a cause of dissolution, why the sooner it came the
better.—(Laughter.)
Sir H. DOUGLAS would remind the House that the object of his
vote was to change the canal into a railroad.
Mr. HUME would explain that the Hon. Member on the other
side, by stating that he objected to Members changing their opinions,
while no oae had done more so than himself.
Mr. CARDWELL said that the object of this motion was to pre-
vent a valley through which a canal flowed into a marsh.
After a few words from Mr. COLLETT,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that the object
of this vote was a general one, and that the sum was by no means
excessive.
The vote then passe.
The CHAIRMAN then put the vote that the sum of 24,4521. should
be voted for the improvement of the parks and public buildings.
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to this vote, on the ground that there
was no sufficient evidence to justify the vote, and because he felt it
to be irrelevant.
Mr. CARDWELL said that the vote was suggested because it was
felt to be necessary, and he did not conceive that te.!,c,,tise the vote
had been thrown out in fernier years, that it should not be agreed
to now.
Colonel SIBTHORPE objected to this vote because 't contained a
vote for 5781. for the repairs of the College of Maynooth, and he
would like to have a statement of the repairs for which this money
was necessary. He would appeal to the Hon. Member for Oxford to
know what those repairs were. There was 500/. here, and 50,0001.
there, and nobody knew es here the money was going, but he thought
it was high time that this expenditure was stopped, and that it
should not go ox without some Committee of inquiry.—(gear, hear.)
It was possible to resist a packed treasury bench, but he thought the
old principle of "Scratch me and I'll scratch you ought to be
stopped," and he put his protest against the vote.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that this veto was
simp'y to save expenditure in future years.
The vole was then agreed to.
It was then proposed that the sum of 12,5001. should be devoted to
the improvement of the harbour of Kingston.
After a few words from Sir C. NAPIER, as to the expenditure last
year.

- Sir R. PEEL said that the money voted last year had been devoted
to the improvement of the harbours of refuge, including Dover and
Harwich.
The sum of 29,350 j. was proposed to satisfy the salaries of the
officers of both Houses of Parliament, when,
Mr. HUTT said, he had repeatedly moved for returns of this ex-
penditure. He trusted that before this sum was voted that these re-
turns would be allowed. He alluded especially to the salaries
of the Hones of Lords. The salaries of the officers of the
House of Commons had, It was notorious, been greatly reduced,
while those of the officers of the House of Lords had been
materially increased. This ought to ha explained and restitied.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he would
give an explanation en the bringing up of the report.
The estimate was then agreed to.
The sum of 56,0001. was then voted for the expenses of the Treasury,
a sum of 66,000'. was also passed to defray the expenses of the office
of State for the Home Department.
The sum of 63,0001. was voted for the Foreign Office.
19,0001. was passed for the expenses incurred in the Colonial De-
partment.
The sums of 37,2791. and 2,5001., 27,9001., and 16,1561.• were then
severally voted to defray the expenses of Ithe Privyy Council officers,
the Paymaster-General of the Forces, and the Conetroller-General of
the Exchequer.
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the expenses of the various Govern-
ment offices having been increased during the last year. He was
strongly averse to this disgraceful expenditure of the public money.
Mr. HUTT was cenyinced there was some unnecessary changes in
the avpenseses of the House of Lords.
Mr. HUME wanted to know what the amount received was for
the House of Lords ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER beleived the amount
was 60,0001.
Mr. HUME wanted to know whether the Chairman of Committees
in the Honse of Lords receixed any sum beyond the 3,0001. which he
received as a salary ?
The sum of 2,6501 was voted for the payment of the salaries and
expenses of the State Paper-office.
Mr. CHRISTIE thought that some arrangement might be made
to bring the State Papers into one place. The present arrangement
was very inconvenient.
The sum of 72,9154 was granted to her Majesty to defray the ex-
pdnses of the Mint.
As also the sum of 12,1251. for defraying the expenses and salaries
of keeping the Public Records.
1,7551. was voted to defray the salaries and expenses of certain
officers of Scotland, that were formerly charged upon the hereditary
revenues of that country.
At the suggestion of Mr. WILLIAMS, the vote was postponed.
23,2731. for the salaries of the Household of the Lord Lieutenant
of Ireland.
5,0461. for the office of the Civie Service in Ireland.
5,7981. for the Board of Public Works in Ireland.
44,1261. for the expense of stationary, printing and binding, of the
several public establishments, were severally voted.
Mr. HUME complained that the quality of the stationery supplied
to the House was very discreditable, and hoped that it would be
better In future.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought that public
officers were hardly dealt with. If they attempted to save money
they were called shabby, and if they were liberal they were called
profligate.—(Laughter.)
The vote was agreed to.
A sum of 4,950/. was proposed for the printing, to be executed by
the Queen's printers in Ireland.
After a few words from Mr. HUME, the estimate was agreed to.
The House then resumed.
Mr. GREEN reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again
this day.
The other orders of the day were then agreed to.
The Report op the Corresponding Societies and Lecture Rooms
Rill was brought up and agreed to.
The House then adjourned at twenty minutes past twelve o'clock