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Room B.
LEICESTER AND nmarortro.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Mr. Oulston's case having been concluded,
Mr. lIILDTARD then proceeded to lay evidence before the Corn-
mince on behalf of the South Midlands Railway.
Mr. Langlands and Mr. Watkins In their examination gave evidence
of the great want of a line of railway to Northampton, a desideratum
supplied by the South M idiands line.
Mr. Barwell said he was Mayor of Northampton when the South
3fidlands line was thrown out, and had every opportunity to ascertain
the feeling of the inhabitants of the town, who were unanimous in favour
of that line. He said there were three iron foundries there, requiring
about 5,000 tons a year. The Derby iron was very preferable to the
Staffordshire, and would no doubt be used if access to it were made
easy. From 5,000 to 6,000 hands were employed in boot and shoe
making. One house, which employed 500 hands, made 20,000 boots
and 60,000 shoes annually, which, he calculated, would give about
150 tons weight.

Some other witness's were called, who spoke to traffic on the
South Midlands brar•.ch, and the desirableness of having it.
The Committee udiounied till eleven to-morrow.

Room D.

GLA.SVOW, xsumerrarra, AND C.A.R.TASI.E.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)

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Mr. Kennedy, a landed proprietor of Kirkland, Dumfriesshire, ex-
amined—He resided on his property in Dumfrieshire, but held
extensive farms in the counties of Sutherland, Inverness, and Argyll.
Ile rented land to the amount of 6,0001. a year, and the extent of it
was 200,000 acres. The sheep that he raised in the north he trans-
ferred to Dunfermline, Kirkcudbrightshire, and Roxburghshire. He
sold considerable numbers of these to dealers in the district, to be fat-
tened and sent into England. A considerable number of fat sheep
and lambs were now sent to Edinburgh and Glasgow, and if they had
a railway both for England and these cities, thy would be sent by
it. Tho half-fed sheep, or " hoggets," would also be sent by the
same mode. He thought from 130,000 to 140,000 sheep and lambs
of all sorts would be sent to England, and Edinburgh, and Glasgow
annually. This was an increase on his former examination from re-
cent inquiries he had made. The larger proportion would find their
way on to the railway at Dumfries. He agreed with the table which
had been drawn up of the sheep, cattle, and horse traffic. He thought
it quite correct. He thought 36,000 stone of wool would be sent out
of the country which the line intersected, partly into the west of
Scotland, and partly to England. He did not think the Crawick
branch would injure the property of Mr. Thomas Colebroke, bat ra-
ther improve it. •
Cross-examined—The principal portion of the fattening district of
the south of Scotland was between Castle Douglas and
Dumfries, and the most of the sheep and cattle raised
went south tram Dumfries. The English markets were the
best for them. He did not think a great deal of the traffic he had
spoken of would find its way on to the Caledonian if it was formed.
Though the Caledonian line would not get 10 per cent. as stated in
their prospectus, with this Ilse in existence, it might still pay. He
was not aware that only 5/ per cent. was proved for the Caledonian
line last year. If so, he could not say that it would pay along with
the Nithielnie line. He had not considered the question.
The Duke of Buccicuch examined—He said he was well acquainted
with the route of the present line. It ran for 22 miles through his
property. He had also property on the Crawick branch.
When the Nithsclale line was first proposed he was against it,
as it came very near his, residence at Drumlanrig. That
had been altered ; and now, from his knowledge of the
wants of the district, he supported it. It would confer great benefit
on the valley of the Nith, and open the Cumnock and Sanquhar
coal-fields. The line would offer greater facilities for draining than
now, and increase the value of property. Ile did not think the
valley could be well served by lateral branches, as there were
high lands right and left, and therefore there ought to be
a line running through the valley. The line would be
of great use in conveying stock to the Glasgow and Liverpool
markets. The Crawick branch would be the means of connecting
Dumfries and the valley of the .Nith with Edinburgh, by means of
the Caledoniau line. All the coal for the Warlock lead mines,
which were very extensive, had to he carted from Sanquhar. There
would be more traffic on the part of the line south of Dumfries than that
from Cumnock to Dumfries, and therefore he thought the whole
should be placed in the hands of the company, that the better part
might make up for the working of the inferior portion. The
Canobie branch could be easily connected with the pits at Canobie;
and he had no doubt great benefit would be conferred on Annan
and Dumfries by that means. With respect to draining, a
great want of tiles was experienced, on account of the
deficiency of clay. The tiles now used were brought from Cumnock.
Were facilities for obtaining them at a reasonable price given, they
would be largely used. as the soil was favourable for draining. The
farmers and inhabitants were strongly in favour of the line. He did
not think the Nithsdale line would compete with the Caledonian
line for the through traffic, though lie thought it would take the
Ayrshire traffic.
Cross-examined—Last year he believed the Glasgow and Dumfries
line on the one side, and the Ilawick and Carlisle line on the other
side, were brought forward as competing lines with the Caledonian.
They were brought forward again this year. He supported the
Ilawiek line as well as the present line ; he did not know whether
the Hawick line would again be brought forward, but
he hoped it would. Even though the Caledonian line
through traffic might be affected by this line, he thought the interest
Of the public should be car sidereel before that of a company. lie did
not think any of the Glasgow through traffic would be taken from
the Caledonian line.
Mr. John Hunter, farmer, of Tyndrum, in the county of Dumfries.
examined. His brother and himself also rented farms in Ross and
Invernessshire. Witness's evidence was generally in corroboration of
the evidence previously given by Mr. Kennedy.
Mr. Bain, dealer in fat stock, who had assisted Mr. Kennedy and
Mr. Hunter In making up the table, was examined shortly is support
of the items therein contained.
Mr. Lennie, of Dalswinton, convener of the county of Dumfries,
examined—The district round Dumfries was a very rich one. There
was a great deficiency of lime in the district, on account of the
expense of carriage from the Closebum lime-works. The
want of coals was also severely felt. He had taken up forty shares
to promote the railway. The line, he was persuaded, would be of im-
mense benefit to the whole district. A toll-bar on the road towards
his estate let last year for 4301., exclusive of coach charges. The
traffic was regularly increasing. He knew of no clay in the district
for making tiles. The traffic at present by the Edinburgh coaches
would be conveniently accommodated by the Crawick branch.
Cross-examined—He thought if the line was formed he could
get supplied with lime at half the present price. It was now
10s. a load laid down on his farm. Ile could then get it for 55., he
thought, if the line was formed, and that supplies were had from
Cumnock. Ho could not give the populatiom for five miles on each
side of the line, but he could give the population of all the parishes
that would be intersected

Mr. 3fackee, land proprietor and convener of the county of Kirk-
cudbright, generally deposed that in his opinion the line would be of
great advantage to that county. All the proprietors and inhabitants
On the eastern part were in its favour.
Mr. Marmaduke C. Maxwell, landed proprietor, of Terregles, in
the county of Dumfries, gave evidence to a similar effect. Ile
thought the line would be of the greatest advantage to the whole
district. If it were formed, he believed that both lime and tiles
would be supplied by it at Dumfries.
Cross-examined—lf a line were formed from Dumfries to Killhead,
near Ann", there could be an abundant supply got from there. It
would yield a larger supply than Closes LIT i.

Mr. Gordon, solicitor, of Dumfries, ea a nined—Dumfries was the
principal town in the south of Scotland, and contained upwards of
13,000 inhabitants. He had prepared a total of the traffic and trade
of Dumfries and neighbourhood, winsh he would hand in.

The witness was here examined in support of the various details
supplied in the table, regarding the carriage of goods by land, and the

steam and sailing vessels connected with the ports of Dumfries, An-
nan, and Kirkcudbright. There was a large trade between these
ports and Liverpool, but the regularity of the steamers

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Was very uncertain. He believed if the line was formed,
the most of the cabin passengers and the valuable
merchandise and fat stock would go by it. Dumfries was a large
cattle and pork market, and the trade was on the increase. There
was also a large trade in hosiery in Dumfries, and he believed it was
Increased. The feeling of the town of Dumfries was all but universal
in its favour. lie behaved there was but one person against it.
Cross-examined—There are four manufacturers in the hosiery
line in Dumfries. The principal exports of Dumfries were cattle and
sheep, to Liverpool principally. The imports were timber, guano,
flour, slates, and coals..

Mr. Nicholson, merchant, of Annan, deposed as to the trade and
district of that town. Annan was the best port on the upper part of
the Solway, and was highly eligible for the construction of docks.
The ►ine, he was persuaded, would be of great benefit to the town and
harbour. The trade of Annan, both with Glasgow and Liverpool,
was greatly on the increase. With such a line he considered a con-
siderable pertion of the trade of Port Carlisle would be diverted to
Annan. The inhabitants generally were in its favour.
Cross-examined—lie had lived a long time in Annan, but no great
Improvements had been made. There were two jetties put up in
153.), by the steam-boat companies, and nothing had been done.
since then he did not think the Solway a dangerous navigation,
as but little loss had taken place the last twenty years. A line
north of Annan to the Caledonian would no doubt be a great con-
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venience, but ho would not prefer it to the Canoloie branch.
Mr. Laurie, farmer, near Dumfries, examined, said he farmed
300 acres there, and paid 1,3001. rent annually. He had walked over
the whole route of the line. The country it intersected was mach in
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want of draining, and there was a great deficiency of clay for tiles.

Therewere I 26,0hOcultivated acresi ; of this 50,000 acres wanted drain

ing. It would require 2,075 acres to drain an acre, and the same quantity

1s what were called "soles."

103,754,000 tiles, and as many soles

would thus he required. Supposing fifteen years were allowed to
drain these 50,000 acres, 20,650 tons of tiles would be annually re-
quired. Tiles at present cost 30s. a thousand, and they were of an
Inferior kind—they could be had at Cumnock of a superior character
at 20s. a thousand. The whole cost of draining an imperial acre
with Cumnock tiles, inclue.ing carriage, would be 01. 13s. 10. Ue
thought at least 11,000 ton of tiles would he brought from Cumnock.
lie thought 0,000 or 7,000 tons of tiles would be brought on the line
south of Durnfries.

Cross•examined—They could also drain with stones,hrot they ware not plentiful. He thought Cumnock tiles would cor,
termediate points between that place and Dumfries.uaellwth.:
notin-
aware of any clay along that route. Ile never said lately, that now
the Dumfries line had passed the Commons the Caledonian might
stop their works, and they could make a good bargain for the

materials.
The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow at eleven o'clock.

Room 5.

SHEFFIELD, ROTHERAM, ZIAENSIEY'
WAKEFIELD, HUDDEKSFIED, AND
000 LE.
This Committee met to-day for the first time in NO. • Abingdon-
Street , the Earl of ltadnor in the chair.
Atter the usual preliminary proceedings,
Mr. TALBOT opened the case at great length on behalf of the pro-
moters, and pointed out the groat advantages whicli the proposed
line would confer.
Mr. AusTrs appeared ca behalf of the Duke of Norfolk and other
opposing petitioners.
The remainder of the day was occupied in hearing evidence of a
general nature on the merits of the line, the particulars of which
were of the usual character, and possessed no feature of the slightest
public interest.
The Committee adjourned till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
GROUP LVII.
METROPOLITAN RAIL WAY TERMINI'''.
The Select Committee to whom these Bills were relerred met this
morning In room 22, in the new houses.
The members of the Committee were, the Earl of Lincoln, chair-
man, Admiral Bowles, Mr. Cripps. Mr. Estcourt, and Lord Jocelyn.
The following are the Bills referred to this Committee :
London and South-Western (Lottdon,bridge Extension).
Eastern Counties (T/ttenham to Farringdon-street).
North Kent (City Extension).

Borah-Eastern (from. the Waterloo-road, near Ifungerford-bridge, to
the Greenwich Railway).
The preliminary proceedings having been arranged, the Committee
resolved to proceed with the

NORTH KENT EXTENSION.
to offer any evidence,
Mr. Sergeant NV/LANG/IAM declined, however,
in consequence of the main line having been thrown out before the
Committee of the House of Commons.
The Bill was accordingly negatived.
LONDON AND SOUTX-.WESTEIEW (yoranon.
BRIDGE EXTENSION.)
Mr. HOPE then opened the case of this railway in a speech of con-
siderable ability ; the principal point to which he directed the atten-
tion of the Committee was the report of the Metropolitan Ilan.
the
ways
scheme. The Termini Commi n
Com ssio, who had reported favourably of
pr by the bef
Committee to extend their railwa opyosed to London-brißilldgeore the om a point in the York-road, Lambeth, where the
south_
Western Railway would terminate, according to an Act of Parlia-
ment obtained last year. The Bill, which was granted last year
by the Legislature, to the South Western Company, did not, how-
ever, give them the power of effecting a communication with the
fiver ; that dabct Wollld (03119 Ted by ttl9 prount BUI, Trlzlal

RAILWAYCOMMITTEES - proposed to construct commodious goods and passenger stations in
• immediate contiguity with the river on the southern side. The pre-
(YESTERDAY). sent amount of passenger traffic on the South Western Railway was
upwards of 1,500,000, and the tonnage ofgoods upwards of 10000. A
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considerable increase might be expected if a more convenient station
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HOUSE OF LORDS. could be obtained near the eastern portions of London and thus remove
the delay and expense of additional cartage. The mileage at pre-
Room A. sent belonging to the South-Western Company, and sanctioned by
CORNWELL/a. ParliaMent was 227 miles, and there were projects before Parlia-
MOntintled item our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) meat. for the construction of 150 miles more, thus together giving
Mr. Plawkshaw was examined by Mr. sergeant KINGLAIES—It
:.cisommodation to Southampton and Dorchester, in the south of
s...ngland, and westward as far as Exeter. The means of communi-
Would be morally impossible to construct a railway through a
cation would be also given by this railway to the citizens of London,
cossnlry like Cornwall without being obliged to have recourse to steep
gradients and acute curves. The curves had been Improved sirree between Wandsworth, Wimbledon, Richmond, Egham, Staines,
last year, as well as the gradients. There were worse gradients on Guildford, and a number of other places adjacent to London. The
the Manchester and Leeds line, namely, 1 in 43 and 44, length of the line would be about one mile ; it was proposed
Cross-examined by Mr. Roam—Had never seen so una'alating a to construct it upon a viaduct the whole distance, by which
means all damage to property would be avoided, and the
fosetigkthat on the line before them for such a length. The curves
and ants on the Manchester and Leeds were of. 'course an ex-
recommendations of the Royal Commission woald be fully
ception. as was the case always in steep gradients. •
Was not aware carried out. The estimate of the cost of the railway would
of the gradients on the Lancaster and Carlisle R-Aesway be about 500,030/. ; of this sum 338,0001. would be required
Re-examined by Mr. AUSTIN—WouId have perfectly level rail-
for the purchase of property, and the sum of about 160,0001. would
way If he could ; but it was impossible, from. Ids knowledge of the be required for the works. The line was proposed to be constrticted
country to have anythinghis of that nature on. tiais line. Bad gradients not so much for the purpose of deriving any profit to the company,
could not be avoided in t country i'-
w•taiciut an enormous expense. as for the purpose of affording accommodation to the public. The
lin 60 mtsht be worked safely, and wi:ch ease, at the rate of 40 miles opposition to the Bill was not large. The only public buildings they
an hour. interfered with were Rowland Hill's Chapel, In the Blackfriars-road,
Mr. AUSTIN said ho was ready tQ's call Mr. Vignoles, Mr. Cubitt, which was not of a serious nature; a Quaker's meeting-house,
and other engineers on this point., which also was not of a very alarming nature ; and
The Customer( said, that having produced two eminent engineers, there was also a point of the triangle in the Borough
It was unnecessary to adalt.ce any more evidence of that nature to market, which they just touched ; this, however, they were
show that the line scald be worked with perfect safety to prepared to avoid by an alternate line. There was also a petition
the public. from the inhabitants of some almshouses; the cause of their com -
The list of assents, ..Ste., having been handed in, plaint was the noise which would be created by the passing of the
Mr. AUSTIN 51R5,44.1 that the case for the Bill had closed. A trains. The inhabitants were not, however, at present in a
discussion was raised as to whether evidence as to land value state of quietness or rest, being in the immediate vicinity of Messrs.
boxshould be give,j, which ended in Mr. Laidman being put in the Barclay's brewery, and he believed that if the present railway were
, for the przpose of proving the value of the same on the Bad- constructed, the noise would be considerably diminished. The war-
min branch. dens of St. Saviour's church had also objected, on the ground of the in-
After hea'sing some flirther evidence, the Committee adjourned. terruptios to Divine service, by the passage of trains. This evil would
he remedied by the usual arrangement on metropolitan railways to run
no trains during Divine service. In conclusion, he begged to apologise
for having trespassed so long on their attention ; and hoped that
the Committee would carry out the recommendation of the Royal
Commission, by granting the preamble of the Bill.
Mr. MERREWETIIER made an application to the Committee to be
allowed to bring tinder the consideration of the Committee some
clauses which he. as representative of the South-Eastern Company,
wished to introduce into the Bill before the Committee, those clauses
the Learned Counsel wished to be discussed before the Committee
granted the preamble of the Bill.
The Committee decided that the course was quite Irregular, and
refused therefore to grant the application. The Chairman, however,
stated that the Committee could not declare the preamble of the Bill
proved until they had an assurance from the parties that the interests
of the South-Eastern Company, in conformity with the recommen-
dations of the Royal Commission, should be provided for.
The formal proofs required under the buncombe resolutions were
then put In.
Mr. Ross Mangles M.P. for Guildford, was then called, and ex-
amined by Mr. GURNEY, who stated the inconvenience of the present
station to persons travelling between Guildford and London, the pro-
posed station in the York-road would not afford sufficient accom-
modation to the persons residing on leaving business in London. A
saving of three. quarters of an hour would be effected by the proposed
station at London-bridge over the present Nine-elms or the York-
road station.

Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant Muarur—Did not think a station
on the Surrey side of the Southwark-bridge would afford so good an
accommodation as a statiou at London-bridge, in consequence of the
narrow and crowded access to it through Queen-street.
At the conclusion of his examination the Committee adjourned.