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sistent in his argument ; for if there was a competition, it ' effect, that instead of the words " and two other commis.
Barely was rather likely to rare the prise than to reduce it. sinners," to substitute the words `c vice-president and secre-
-114 concerned the prof ssors, he found that the several autho- tary."
titles of the college were nearly equally divided on the subject The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought it
°f the removal, arid this was not a question of mere pounds, better to leave the clause as it stoic', so as to have two per-
Shillings, and pence, but was one of public education, which i manent, werking commissioners.
in Scotland is a matter of nat'onal importance. If they sane- Mr. ESCOTT thought so many Commissioners as five
tiooed this removal they would take the college two miles and quite uncalled for. tie did not think the railway business of
4 half from the hospitel, and that would go a long the cowry would be so much as to require the services of so
way to destroy Abe value of the institution altogether. many persons.
The Gallant Officer was not aware of what was a fact, tear in ' Colonel OIRTHORP took a similar view of the question.
Glasgow the people were much disinclined to entering the In- Mr. BORT HWICK then withdrew Isis amendment.
firmary, and the town was divided into eighteen districts, each After a few words from Mr. WILLIAMS, which did not
Jo which was so managed as to give the poor the best benefit reach the gallery, the clause was agreed to.
t!my could obtain from this hospital, and if it were removed On clause 6 being proposed,
that arrangement would be made completely futile. It was a The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
mistake to suppose that the present site was unhealthy. The , the salary of the president of the board would be
room,
~ it is true, are iow • the structure is on one side close to ' 2,0001. per annum, and the salaries of the two paid Corn-
tne
Street, but nn the other, to the eastward, it was quite . missioners Armlet he 1,500/. pt r }ear.
°Pen, and had 25 acres ot ground attached to it. By an Act After some observations trim Colonel SIBTHORP,
!trea'ia- passed it was required that no alteration should be made Mr. B. Es,CO VT moved that the salary of the president be
In publ c in.titutions without the inspection rot a Government reduced to 1,000/.
°ln't", Now• no officer whatever ha.• been sent (10,n to in- Lewd G. BENTINCK thought that the salary was not too
Tect the building, and no pate ground lad been me de oat high, for it would require a man of very considerable talent,
for the removal. The G•,veroment, he contended, were: not I and would entail considerable responsibility on him, and
II P,-ssession of I/allele:it information, and he should then fore ' there would be no officer in tleit House who would be so Ire-
move: the adjournment of the debate until :Monday, in order euently called upon to explain the conduct of his boareLi
at they might be put into better possession of the facts of the Mr. BORTH WICK agreed with the Noble Lord that the
ease. salary of 2,000". would not be too much, but he objected to the
After a few words in explanation from Colonel REID, principle of estimating a man's talents and usefulness by the
,ir Mc. HORTHWICK said that he hoped the Government pounds, shillings, and pence which he received.
"Id consider the objections of the Hon. Member for Mont- The amendment was then put and negatived.
r 0 Se
any
before givingdecision upon this important question. Mr. WILLIA NIS moved, as an amendment, that the words
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the late Government, and "one thousand five hundred" be struck out fr,.m the clause.
.-Iso the p
resent one, had taken every pains to obtain proper in- After a snort discussion the amendment was withdrawn.
formation
upon .this question. Th. y had taken the opinion Clause 6 was then agreed to.
of those person who were best qualified to judge on this subject, Considerab'e discussion took place on the next three clanser,
and their decision was that the change of site proposed wouid which west. ultimately agreed to.
rather be beneficial than otherwise. Under these circutn- On clause 10 being proposed,
!Latices he did not think that any postponement was necessary. Mr. Al uNTz proposed an amendment to give greater
With regard to the cause proposed by the Hon. Member fair effect to the local examinations to be instituted by the Com-
"trisect, he had no objection to its introduction if the Hon. missioners as to any projected railway.
Member thought it would at all secure the objects which the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no rb-
13ill was intended to carry out. jection to the amendment.
Mr. BROTH ERTON sal Ihe had been a member of the Atter a few words from Mr. ESCOTT and Mr. P. M. STEW-
Committee appointed to consider this subject, and in his opinion ART, the amendment was agreed to.
the evidence entirely preponderated in favour of the removal The clause was then adopted.
of the college. With every feeling against the removal of the The remaining clauses wiee agreed te, and the House re-
en:lege. the Committee were unanimous in passii g the preamble sumed, Report to iw brought up to morrow.
of the Bill. as in their opinion it would be most beneficial in its POOR EMPLOYMENT (IRELAND) BILL.
effects. The value of the old college and grounds was On the order of the day for the receiving of the report en
80,000/.. and the value of the new college and lands was to be this Bill twine read.
145,500/., so that no loss could possibly be sustained by the Sir D. NORREYS said that he had an amendment to move
t university itself, or by those conn,rcted with it. in reference to this Bill, and he wished to know from the
Mr. HUME said that he wished time until Monday, when Noble Lord at the head of the Government what course be
he could produce the opinions of Lords Cockburn and Mon- should take ?
erieff against the removal of the cellege. Lord J. RUSSELL suggested that the Bill should be re-
' 'Sir G. GREY thought the proposition of his Noble Friend committed, and
(Lord J. Russell) a fair one. L was that the Bill be now read The House accordingly resolved itself into Committee on
ao third time, and that the la-t stage be left till Monday, in this Bill.
MPr that any amendment might be considered and suggested Sir D. NORREYS said he would postpone his amend-
an the meantime. ,
menu till the third reading.
in!.._hr,d G. SOMERSET strongly objected to the postpone- The report was then gene through, and ordered to he read
oer as he did not think it would lead to any alteration of a third time to-morrow.
Pintos es to the passing of the Bill. P.eTENT COMMISSIONS BILL.
• The
Bill. was then read a third time. This Bin was read a second time.
Lit' in motion that the Bill do pass was postponed till Monday RECTORY OF NOCTON—EXPLANATION OF ,
, in 0 LORD GEORGE BEel FINCK.
brews that rder to allow time for the consideration of any amend-
Lord G. BENTINCK rose and said; that after the accuse-
might be proposed.
Sir , NIEDICAL PRACTITIONERS BILL. ' tion that had been made on his conduct in this transaction else- ,
elms' "EORGE GREY presented several petitions from the where, he was sure the House would grant him its indulgence ,
• ?iodic practitioners of Norwich, Stonehouse, and other places, while endeavouring to justify his own conduct, and to defend
I° faro
file, Or of this Rig. his character. He would not stop to excuse himself
.
'on
WAKLEY presented a number of petitions to the for having hastily made on last Wednesday a retractati
aseselieentas from members of . , . .
the Royal College of Surgeons, of some expressions he had uttered. It had been stated that he
of "K
re l London, and from the medical practitioners could make that retractation as unfoundedly as he could make ,
It ~,'",lny of the principal towns of England. The the charge, without investigation. Now if he had made any ,
thTseable • Member also presented . a petition from unfounded charge hp would be as ready as any one
en Pe against lagging in the army. and a petition from to admit his error. Now it should be remembered
Pawnbrokers of London in favour of the Pawnbrokers' Bill. that he made this retractation on an investigation
fir. D FACTORY BILL. of the Clergy List. But he took leave here to say that the
yor,.._ .. ISRAELI resented a petition from Bradford, in nobleman woo had made the charge should have been the last
. eshire, in favour of a Ten Hours Bill. to do so. The Clergy List was a coy of the e cclesiastical
~..;,,,e,, CONSTABULARY. (IRELAND) BILL, report. That ecclesiastical report wasp made by a Government
,essee report of this Bill was brought up and received. . of which Sir R. Peel was the head, and the nobleman to whom
..41,-t..he.rnotion that the report be agreed to, ' he alluded was the Lord Chancellor. The recommendation
t':' ;AU S:I.Hn/ME objected to the Bill .as a very impolitic one, as
_was signed, amongst others, by the Archbishop of Canterbury,
' %eel+ to admit of the appoietmenc of au unlimited num- the Archb shop of York, by the Bishop of London, and by the
.-. rissd'elini. ice. If also the COnao-lidated• Fund was to be Bishop- of Lincoln, in whose diocese the living was situated ;
..... •'. iiteies ,evri!h the expense of these police, he thought its provi- and by Mr. Brewer, and a great many others ; and would have
laft
-+
to Eng*, as it, regarded the pay- been signed in the ordinary course of things by Lord Lynd-
- '' ofehil -- - • •
t*s ,eeeesee, -,- nolice•force. here, -'.. _
_, - :- •• : burst. He thought, therefore, it was not on light grounds
st:liiheee'!:',-421.11CSUCaltRE.Ciplaitred thatetheesapense arising - thenhe made the charge; and when a conviction seized him
;-:'-' 1146:","").* ..X.-tra_4rolic.e . te _ disturbed 'districts Would, . that he Mighthave been in error, he came immediately to the
--.„,- ~'''' roo.et7hY , tbeituts_edestriitiee iishieji- . iambi, . be. the Mutate and 'withdrew. what he had stated. He said before that
r •- „,r„ao slot. the_ proprietors' te..Makes'mry,exertierero- . it'eva.s A Metter of giver, suipieion. .- He'did !vie ...pretend to say
s• ' .',.-... , -', 'S-"rer,thesireereepedtive localiti4esioTai. to 1 che without thee. irea, matter
'• ' slates.-e,__, .*eiiii::., with: reo,- -.to vie .I.tiaimited, • pc!!,o:',,.et..ween .t.,,v. Cabinet ]Banisters-between ewo .eelleugtees—he -1
NW's -'s eutiee IstittilieUete ..alteted,lieeLier4-Jeieuteefeeit's
made. Mee
oy•• letters or anye eeintracts that
Then Itms reaped finaik: iiitireleit ''''• '- .' - ' wa•i eHe boll ht that the House and the country, not-
re
l third "ore was then adopted, and the Bill ordered to be read withstanding the explanations that had been given elsewhere,.
ip,...._ time to morrow• would still be of opinion that great suspicion attached to this
',gIILIC WORKS (IRELAND—No. 4 and 5) BILLS. distribution of patronage, and. to say no more, that it was a
lo; 0e reports of these Bills were brought up and adopted, friendly exchange. It woul be in the recollection of the House
06,,tn.e third reading fixed for to-morrow. that it was stated by his Hight Hon. Friend the President of
ttr'.:4ol..lD A TED FUND ( APPROPRIATION) BILL. the Board of Control, that Sir H. Roper received, not an invi-
tee report of this Bill was b, ought up and adopted. tat ion, but an offer en the 22d of November, and that his reply
0,, ~ RAILWAY COMMISSIONERS' BILL. (as he understood) was on the 14th of February, and received
ou th•Lne Motion that the House resolve itself into Committee on the 27th of March. Now, by the admissions elsewhere,
is Motion they had learned that the first appointmtnt was offered, and not
tail olonel '
SIBTHORP objected te it. It would en- given—offered to a gentleman of eminence at the bar at the
au in great expense on the country, besides giving time, and that it took place without any consultation with Lord
have -Teeued patronage to the Government ; and it would also Lyndhurst. That offer was declined. This probably took
like the effect of establishing another Board of Commissioners place some time between the 27th of March and the Oth of
Mach et," New Poor-law Board, of which they hail heard so May ; and, if a Committee of Inquiry were appointed on the
duty, yate in regard to the way in which they had done their subject, they would find that in answer to the applications made,
be earnm.he Hon. Member concluded by moving that the Bill a great part of them were made to Lord Lyndhurst, who in-
At
na Itted that day six months. variably replied that the office of Chief Justice of Bombay was
Maud. Hon, Member seconded the amendment it fell to the not in his gift, but in the gift of the President of the Board of
Mr. tr Control. On the Bth of May, the Dean of Windsor. lucent-
trans, "lENLEY would not object to the Bill, if it merely bent of Nocton, died suddenly. As admitted in the correse
Partirieeered the powers of the Board of Trade to the new de- pondence read elsewhere, and which had been published in the
Pavrerss-ts but the latter part of the Bill gave additional papers, it appeared that Lord Brownlow appli, d for the
thich 't° which he obi t d and the due consideration of presentation to that living—a living worth, as he
e'vhaseel,,lrl not. take illecceein, the present thin state of the (Lord George Bentinek) was assured, SOO/. a-year.
and limit ,T,_ the Noble Lord would consent to his suggestion, What happened afterwards? They were told that the Lord
sold n "te provisions of the Bill in the way he stated. he Chancellor sent down the names of six or seven gentlemen of
clause nt object to it, but, otherwise, he wouid oppose those reputation to the President of the Board of Control.—( Hear,
it tea they came under consideration. hear.) They did not hear who those gentlemen were, or what
°f the
kind
HUME defended the Bill, arid considered that a body degree of recommendation was given to each; and if he
of
railway
proposed to be appointed was, in the present state I had a Committee of Inquiry he thought he should be in a
?tan who
absolutely necessary. If the Hon. Gentle- condition to show that the patronage was forced upon Mr.
, had objected to the powers conferred by the Hill had Pollock in order to make way for Lord Lyndhurst's secretary.
been, like him, on the Committee which suggested the ap- Now the advice of Lord Lyndhurst upon the subject was not
POintment of the board, and had heard the evidence of the asked until the Dean of Windsor was dead, and then it was that
engineers and others who were examined, he would not con- virtually there was an exchange of the patronage of the church
alder the powers too extensive, or more than were required for the par ,page of the law.—( Hear.) They were told that
tinder the circumstances. Lord Lyndhurst had nothing to do with the law appointments,
After a few words from Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET, but upon an investigation he should be able to show that the
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that it Noble Lord had a good deal to do with it.—( Hear, hear. )
:would be time enough when the House went into Committee But the appointment of Chief Commissio .er was nut an ap-
-7.4 Consider the objectionable clauses He was fully aware of the I pointment removable at pleasure, but was one maintained by
llt earivenience of bringing forward the question at this late period 1 good behaviour, and only removable by the Crown, on the joint
io
ti.slue Session. but if they did not appoint a railway board now, ! addresses of both Houses of Parliament. And in this in-
ire.% would be in the same position next session as they were 1 stance they might observe the second case, where the occupant
stao,,beginning of this session, and, under these circum- 1 of the office, without his resignation, was superseded. The
tin:" he thoaght it much better if they passed the present I appointment of the Commissioner of Bankruptcy was the
second infringement of the constitution, and a direct violation
te:eihr.thESTCOURT made some observations which did not of the Act of Parliament. He did not wish to impugn the
ee e gallery. merits of Mr. Perry. They might be equal to those of Lord
esouleaird..llo,..RSMAN thought at present the functions of the Lyndhurst or any other great man, but he had a right, in the
defie_ora Trade and the Railway Committees were very un- name of the public, to charge those who bad the disposal of
poi:teen,. !. nd left every member of a Committee in doubt as to the such a position—involving, as it did, the commercial
that thten: Committee could exercise. He therefore thought affairs of the empire to a great extent—with
Present Bill of such a board as that proposed by the a gross neglect if it was not filled up properly.
Alte p Was eery necessary. The public had a right to expect that this office should be filled
they shouI,HOWARD thought that the Commissioners, when up in an efficient manner, and that the person appointed should
to the übe appointed, should have their attention directed be a barrister eminent in his, profession, and who enjoyed the
Of inuArrt speed now applied on railways, as it was a matter confidence of the commercial world. He dared to say that if
kr' „ reportance to the safety of the public at large. they appealed to the bar, they would find that the profession
' °‘•
treat ee, ESCOTT thought that the speed on railways was a were not satisfied with the appointment of Mr. Perry as Corn-
1400i:tile convenience, and should not be reduced. He missioner at Liverpool. He asked the House, did they think
tgrootrovi.eeer, in consequence of of her circumstances, join in the bar would be. satisfied with a gentleman who was stated
''`edeferescemat.the consideration of the present question should not to have been in practice for ten years? nay, he was in-
. Leeti.o until the ensuing session. formed that very day that it was nineteen years, and not ten,
II: the intriIIISSELL said that he had not the smallest wish , since he had been in practice. Did they think such a gentle-
t - opine) °dtletion of this Bill, but he understood that it was man could command the confidence of a great commercial
Persons e ° generally of Committees ot that House, and of all community.? He now came to the original charge—the ap-
should be with them, that it was desirable such a Bill pointment of Mr. David Pollock as Chief Justice of
of the ~e introduced. He thought, however, as the opinion Bombay. It had been endeavoured, in defending that transaction,
t he' 'muse in this Bill, that it
t 0 be Was so strongly favour of ought to show that the proceeding complained of was only an error
the co__ eded with. It w ould, however, be impossible to invest or oversight. But he wanted to know whether the Govern-
elereisZtnissioners under this Bill with a.l the powers at present ment could show any single instance in which a chief justice
toileftetertn
Mr. B.bli,Railway Committees. had been suspended, and another appointed, on a conditional
sr ORTLEY thought that the Bill ought only to be resignation ? He ale old like to see all the letters that had
Porary—to continue until the end of next session, tressed relating to the resignation and appointment of chief
bit
ea few words from Mr. WARBURTON, justices, and he would venture to say there would not any of
him to VIJNTZ said that the object of the Bill appeared to theta be found like to the one in question. Sir Henry Roper
"ender: to
save the railway companies the enorinsus expense did not offer to res4n ; but offered to resign on the 2d of No-
to . upon their being compelled to bring up witnesses to
wil- The vember, when he would tri fully entitled to his retiring pen-
invest; e Commissioners would have powers to make local sion ; but, in the face of this, her Majesty's Government took
of gallons, which powers were not possessed by the Board upon them-elves to remove him before that time, thus depriv-
Mr. lei ing him of the retiring pension of 3001. a year, to which he
we, e, AKLEY said, that considering the gigantic evils would have been entitled. He thought, though the Crown
le, were said to exist, both in and out of that
teun with reference to the railway system any- had that right, yet, as such a proceeding was contrary to jus-
tice—contrary to the spirit of the constitution—this proceed •
`rung more incompetent to remedy then '
Present measure he could not conceive, couldTlen‘n tnarn ills- ing, if it had stopped there, would not have obtained the ap-
cover that the five Commissioners to bLaaPpointed could render probation or sanction of Parliament. But it did not rest there.
any effectual service. He should be most willing to support Tney were told that that was the first time that the blot had
any vote of the public money for the establishmeot of any been bit, but Ise took leave to remind the House, and to re-
office which could really be of s,tvice, but he certainly should mindt the friends of Lord Lyndhurst, that he (Lord G. Ben-
dissent from any vote for so inefficient a triounal as the one witaisck_)swt was not the person who had hit the blot. The blot
Colonies. hit_ by Mr.dtSdietnengpththena, the Under-Secretary for the
• proposed, and he thought that the further consideration of the
warned thatThhae wParse oft
whichthe n ow. rads
coot'
,was that was
dishonoured
• present subject should be postponed.
Mr. WILLIAMS hoped that her Majesty's Government The first patent contrary to law.was
ntoeutrbeedCb;lothneiacol-olfleiea,l on the
would not consent to any postponement of the measure, as he 16th of June
considered that the Bill, as a temeorary measure, would beand
the President of the Board of Control—thoughthey- heard
amply efficient for all the objects intended. from Lore Lynithusst that he was no lawyer—the President of
' Atter some further eousideretien the gallery was clean d for the Board of Control for this purpose was made a lawyer—
a division, when there appeared— for he was told that that patent was contrary to law which
For the amendment
Against it
Majority —64 was the matter abandoned? No such thing. The
The House then went into Commilee on the Bill, wiled letter from the Colonial-office, he believed, was withdrawn
• Colonel SIBTHORP upbraided the conduct of those The first proposition was withdrawn. But then, with refer-
gentlemen who, after having spoken against the Bill, ence to Lord Ripon, no appointment could be made unless the
pet voted for it when the House came to divide. absolute resignation o' the Chief Justice of Bombay had taken
e T
, sank God ! he bad never been guilty of such place. He (Lord G. Bentitick) would not use any harsh
.epicable conduct; his course had always Fern con- language—(h ) hwould content himse fby saying
"'tent Hear, ear e cr
and independent. The introduction of such an ire- that they adopted a legal fiction in reference to this appoint-
lsoetant Bill as this at so late a period ot the session was nothing ment. And this was no form, for without it it was not pos.
leees:t than a gross trick played upon unsuspecting and Bible to create a vacancy which should be at the disposal of
r_yent Members. Had he chosen last night he could Lord Lyndhurst—the office of Commissioner of Bankruptcy at
' stopped the further progress of the Bill this session, be- Liverpool—worth 1,80(11. a year. Well, then, Lord Ripon, as
caul
there were not forty Members present at the time that it they were told by his Right Hon. Friend the President of the
.79 read a second time, but he scorned taking advantage of any Board of Control, wrote a letter to the Colonial-office, in
underhand work.
Ale.
18.0., . WILLIAMSLIAMS, in reply to some remarks that had fallen which he stated that the Chief Justice of Bombay had actually
resigned ; and the patent was drawn up and signed by Mr. Se-
tie;' the Hon. and Gallant Member, said that he did not an- cretary Gladstone, affirming—deliberately affirming—( Hear,
.._ 10te being appointed, nor would he consent to receive any hear)—not through any oversight— (Hear. hear)—but of ma-
eppointraent under this Bill. lice prepense—affirming that which he knew not to be true.—
Folonel SIBTHORP—" Hear, hear."
I.
he •G. SOMERSET made a few observations on the Bill ( Hear. ) The patent recited that Sir H. Roper had resigned.
d G , He must call the attention of the House to these facts. The
~Fc were inaudible in the reporters' gallery. Lord Chancellor appointed a friend of Lord Ripon's to the
1
the e. CHANCELLOit of the EXCHEQUER said that much desired living of Nocton; bird Ripon appointed to the
' asevernmentof o inion that the President of the office of Chief Justice friend
- Ines, commission
he -b., appended under this Bill should vacancy which Sir James Graham filled up by appending Mr.
a
a,e_u Member of either that or the other House of Par- Philips to the office of one of the Commissioners of Bankruptcy
nf"'orc ta so that he might be prepared to furnish any I in Liverpool. That last appointment was made ta o days before
-bets n"tati" connected with the Commission to such Alem- ! the office became vacant. He thought, now, that having tits-
hapee f the House as might desire it. He was posed of these accounts, he might perhaps be permitted to say
bea4is hold fied that the jealousy of members .of such a word with regard to himself.—(Hear,h ar.) He had been
Th_
,ing seats in Parliament was rapidly dying away- compared to Napoleon, and it had been stated that there was
a_ ' ° ject of the Government in introducing this Hill was to . nothing too great for his ambition, or too small for his rapacity.
.yrooint men in the place of the former Cemmissioners I It had been said, also, that a charge proceeding from such a
14.0111.1 would command the confidence of the public, which, calumniator as himself (Lord G. BPrittnek) was not to he
tots.,• some reason sir other the late Cemmiesioners did not, i attended to.—( Hear, hear.) He wee. not asteimed of
aeh_e.ltcislanding their great talents and fi'ne's for their office.
.i his aseeriations or habits. He had not abandoned those
. polii 'IY new burdens which this Bill would impost upon the associations, and it was still his pride to say that h•• was the
• c Would be the payment of the services of the President . steward of the Jockey Club.—( Laughter_) T and -Ihere. were gen-
. twe COri'mi •
Mr. H. swars. 1 tlemen on the turf as honourable, as high-minded, as any other
c b,in„,_ . ESCOTT ,hought that the arrangement for ap- , class in the kingdom. Respect for the high station of the
• char the head of the proposed. hoard bore very much the •I Noble Lord who had made this attack on him, respect for his
fora der of ,
and L ~
- job, he annum oppose the Bill by all the 1 great abilities, respect for the position which enable • him to
. ;_of the House. ' I make that attack, would not prevent him (Lord G. Bentinck )
the cte 4o'
i., enewled', CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEOt ..R tlen•ol ;any from :eying what he thought of that charge, Now it was im-
'' ' A;,,4;:'-!-!f aOYeieb, either existing or intend:et ' " ' p,• ea to him ilia' there we- nothing; too small for his reinwe y,
. . , Mi.V , 's°Tne - further discussion, in which M 11 t 'l-
- ....0rt,1vt,i,.., and t Ira; lie eta governed by selti,l) and s, r,'i I motives. Nnw
. ~ e ,h i Fria. Mr., Eaeott Mr. Turner, the Cnaneellnr of the the oboe, corse of his political liiie in which
l'
'l°4. and' - ' ' • he chit hope
the f i h f C .
Mr. en.ey took part, the clause was agreed to. he sad
cia
~,, ; II I . heen honoured with rient s iii e Mr. arming and
.e5...°,..-,, , 3. and 4 were thee agreed to without .e. .-divieione . Lent Sterailee, eves seffleient to repel that eharg,..t.—( Hear.)
~
..I Llsnie 5 being erud !Eighteen yeas he had been in Pariittownt, and eight years
• -4%4 P. Esoltwa , ,
WI. awed is anitatialoat to tin bufgeo ho bed Wu is the servio6 of tho coaatry: Int
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from that time to the present he had never been guilty of
being actuated by se'fish, sordid, or base motives.—( Hear,
hear.) He defied any one to say that his past conduct would
not fear the strictest investigation, but he admitted with Lord
Lyndhurst that his own mode of address was not so refined as
his (Lord Lyndhurst's). But when the Noble Lord
charged him with being sordid, selfish, and actuated by base
motives, he could have wished that the Noble Lord had carried
his mind back to the 10,h of June last, when he sent a mes.
senger, to himself a merchant of the City of London, respected
not in the City of London alone. but in every quarter of the
globe, to propose to him, in anticipation of the coming debate
upon the sugar duties, to join with him and others, who were
the minority of a divided Cabinet upon that question, in a com-
bination to throw out the majority, and form a newprotcctionist
Administration.—( Cheers.) And it was to him, whom the

Noble Lnrd could the other evening denounce as being a person
who had always been actuated by sordid selfish and base motives
—( Hear)—the Noble Lord could send such a message. The
House might easily imagine his answer to such an application.
coming as it did from a Noble Lord, who had just asst ,fed in
passing the memorable Corn Bill.—( Cheers.) He referred
the niesseneer to Lord Stanley fir an answer, but at the same
time intimated that. for hitnself he should ever de,pise being a
party to any dishonourable combination.—(Cheers.) Noi4,
he trusted, he had justified himself in the eyes of the House,
and of the coun4ry, and that he bad shown that, at least, if he
was not actuated on the 10th of June by base, sordid, or selfish
motives in the estimati.in of Lord Lyndhurst, at all events his
conduct since that time could not have produced so wonderful
a change in his motives.—( Cheers.)
Mr. STUART WORTLEY would not presume to under-
take the def nee of the. Noble Personages alluded to by the
Noble Lord, but the Noble Lord had alluded to an humbler
person, he meant Mr. Perry, and he could not sit there with-
out making some defence of that gentleman.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord GEORGE BENTINC K was understo,d to retract
what he had said regarding Mr. Perry, and to express his re-
gret that he had unintentionaly misstated some circumstarre
connected with that gentleman's appointment to the Commis-
sionership of L'vcr,i'

After a few %%oafs from Mr. STUART WORTLEY, who
expressed himself sAtisfied with the explanation.
Co'onel T. WOOD_wished to know whether the messenger
who waited upon the Noble Lord upon the occasion mentioned
by himself did go with the authority of other members of the
then Government, who formed the minority of the Cabinet as
well as Lord Lyndhurst.

Lord GEORGE BENTINCK replied that the messenger
distinctly stated that he had been sent by Lord Lyndhurst.
ECCLESIASTICAL PATRONAGE BILL.

This Bill went through Committee, and was ordered to be
reported to-morrow.
LEASES (IRELAND) BILL.
The report on thii Bill was brought up and received, and tho
Bill Nva ordered to t.e engrossed.
COURT OF EXCHEQUER (IRELAND) BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS' BILL.

Sir GEORGE GREY stated that ibis Bill had been post-
poned for some time, in order to allow an opportunity for the
medical profession to make an examination into the details of
the Bill. Many of the profession had forwarded representa-
tions strongly in its favour, while he was bound to :ay many
objections were offered to it in its present state. As it did not
seem, therefore, that the Bill would receive that justice and
consideration which it deserved at this late period of the session,
he hoped the Bill would be postponed t:11 next session, when
he would give the Hon. Member for Finsbury (Mr. Wakley)
every assistance in his power, in order to secure the enactment
of an efficient measure.

Mr. WAK LEY said, after the handsome offer of the Right
Hon. Gentleman's assi,tance next session, and in the present
state of the House, he had no other course before him but to
assent to the withdrawal of the Bill ; pledging himself, how-
ever. to introduce this Bill, or a similar one, early next session
of Parliament.
The Bill was then, with consent, withdrawn.
WASTE LANDS (AUSTRALIA) BILL.

This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be com-
mitted to-morrow.

LEASES (IRELAND) BILL.
The report of this BM was brought up and adopted, and the
Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
PAWNBROKERS' BILL.

This Bill, after the presentation of petitions by Mr. Wak.
ley and Mr. Hawes, in it' favour, was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed to-morrow.
SMALL DEBTS BILL.

The House then went into Committee on the Small Debts
Bill.

Clauses 15 and 16 were agreed to without discussion.
On clause 18 being proposed,
Mr. S. WORTLEY objected to the powers given in this
clause to Judges, under the Bill, having power to examine
into and report on suits pending in Chancery. It was intro-
ducing a new principle into the Bill, after it had passed
through the House of Lords, and would, in fact, be giving
the Judges the powers of Masters in Chanc. ry.
• The ATTORNEY. GENERAL said the powers referred to
were only to be exercised under the surveillance of the Lord
Chancellor, and it was not likely that he would admit them to
be exercised unless they were absolutely required.
Sir G. GREY said there was some ambiguity in the clause,
but he should take care that the powers should be exactly de-
fined r.nthe bringing tip of the report.
. .

Ca; tain PECAELL. liked the clause, because the lawyers
seemed to be against it, as it would take business out of London,
and cause inquiry to be instituted in the country.
The clause was then agreed to, as were also clauses 19
and 20. _

Claus:s 31 to 35 were, after some verbal amendments,
agreed to.
Clause 36 was agreed to.
Mr. Wakley's amendment as to the travelling expenses was
negatived.
Mr. HENLEY wished to know what were included in these
expenses?

Sir GEORGE GREY said only the locomotive expenses
were meant.

The clause was then agreed to. .
Clauses 38 to 54 inclusive were agreed to without amend-
mnnt.

On clause 55 being proposed,
Mr. S. WORTLEY said the effect of that clause would be
to admit actions for a different purpose than that contemplated
by the Bill, which was merely the recovery of small debts.
1 his ought not to be the case. He threw out the suggestion,
but he would not divide the House on it.
The clause was agreed to without amendment, as were
clauses 56 to 59 inclusive.

A variety of verbal amendments were introduced into the
Bill, which were agreed to, and the Bill passed through Com-
mittee.

The House then adjourned.

PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS.

From the Votes and Proceedin,s of Me House of Commons.)
THURSDAY, AUG. 20.

Messengers from the Lords brought up the following Bills, to
which their Lordships had agreed :
Deodands Abolition (No. 2) Bill —Adverse Claims (Ireland) Bill—
Copyhold Commission Bill—Stock in Trade Bill—Turnpike Acts
Continuance Bill —Loan Societies Bill—Highways Rates Bill—Cale-
donian, Polloc and Govan, and Clydesdale Junction Railways Amal-
gamation Bill —Amendments to Forth and Clyde Navigation and
Bowling Bay Improvement Bill—Commons Inclesure (No. 2) Bill,
without amendment--Joint Stock Banks (Scotland and Ireland) Bill
—Legal Quays (London) Bill, with :amendments.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Common..)

THU RSDAY, AUG. 20.

NEWCASTLE•UPON-TINE AND CARLISLE BRANCH

RAILWAY BILL.

Order for consideration of Lords' amendments read; Motion made,
and Question proposed, " That the said amendments be now read a
second time :"—Amendment proposed, to leave out the word " now,"
and at the end of the Question to add the words " upon this day
month :" Question proposed, " That, the word now' stand part of
the Question :" Amendment, by leave, withdrawn :—Main Ques-
tion put, and agreed to :—Amendments, as far as Clause A, read a
second time,_and agreed to :—Clause A, the next amendment, read a
s-,cond time :—Motion ma-'e, and Question proposed, " That this
llouse doth disagree with the Lords in the same amendment:"—
Debate arising ; Motion made, and Question put, " That the debate
be now adjourned." The House divided :
MINORITY—AYES, 17.
Aglionby, H. A. Henley, J. W. Waddington, H. S.
A.ntrobus, Edmund Hurst, R. H. Warburton, H.
Cabbell, B. B. Oswald, James Wood, Colonel T.
Collins, William Itornilly, John
D'Eyncourt, C. T. Smith, J. A. TELLERS.
Estcourt, T. G. Somerset. Lord 0, Wakley, T.
ifielden, John Sutton, Henry Duncombe, T.