The Sun.
London, England, 1846-05-07 00:00:00

ILAXIMJAY.

Mr. W. Clarke examined by Mr.Witis—Carried on business as a
carrier and farmer at Luton. There was no traffic of any importance
east or west to Oxford and Cambridge.
Cross-examined by Mr. WADDINGTON-This railway from Cam-
bridge to Oxford would not injure him.
31r. E. Chase, examined by Mr. Wit.r.s—Was a surgeon, .residing
at Luton. Knew that Mr. Byce and other large plait manufacturers
were of odinion that Skis line (the Cambridge and Oxford) would de
no good to the town.

Mr. WADDINGTON cross-examined this witness—Was not aware
that Mr. Byce was a member of the provisional committee of the
Oxford and Cambridge Railway. Did not know that several influ-
ential gentlemen of the town were members also.
Mr. Francis Field was examined by Mr. CALCIUM*, and corrobo-
rated the testimony of the preceding witness.
Mr. J. Bertram, examined by Mr. CaLcaarr—Was a straw-plait
manufacturer at Dunstable, and was brought in contact with Bir-
mingham, London, and other large towns. None of his description
of manufacture went to Cambridge or Oxford, and the opinion of
the people of Dunstable was decidedly against the railway between
these towns.

After hearing some further evidence to the same effect, the Corn.
mitten adjourned at four o'clock till to-morrow.

GROUP XXVIL
The Committee met at twelve o'clocXk yesterday, Lord Seymour in
the chair.
SIZEWPIEZI) AND MANCHESTER. (3111.12,N5.•

LEY JUNCTION).
The examination was continued of witnesses to show the traffic
likely to be made by the accommodation offered by the line passing
over the coal-field, when Messrs. Jeffcock, Brown, and Rhodes gave
evidence similar to what was elicited yesterday.
Mr. Lee, resident engineer on the Sheffield and Manchester, stated
on his examination that the length of the Barnsley branch was
nearly eleven miles, and that it started from the Sheffield and
Manchester line 29 miles from Manchester, through a junction with
the Midland Railway to Barnsley. There were two tunnels of 500 yards,
and 440 yaris on this branch. and the gradients were rather steep, being
one in 95 for 8% miles, rising towards Pennystone, there being a
difference of 515 feet in height between the two ends of the line and
overcome in-something more than 10 miles; but the natural line of
the country was such that aline to the west mild not be laid outwith
more favourable gradients. The estimate was 330,0001. for the whole
expences to the completion of the line which he considered would be
valuable as a a through line between Manchester and Gooleand Hull.
In giving his evidence on the Worsborough branch, air. Lee stated
that this was a branch from the Barnsley Junction, nearly 5 miles in
length, terminating at Worsborongh-bridge. The gradients on this
branch would be heavy by going down lower than they did on the
main lime, so that there would be a gradient of lin 60 for 3 miles, and 1
in 100 tor the remainder, and with heavy trains they would require
an assistant engine. There was one tunnel on the line 990 yards
lon4. The estimate for the branch, including land and all other ex-
penses would be 150,000/. In answer to a question about the ad-
ditional expense of working a line with steep gradients, the witness
stated that on the Sheffield and Manchester line, where there was a
gradient of one in 100, the cost of locomotive power was 6d. per
running mile, which was one penny less than it was in Lancashire.
Mr. Locke, the engineer, gave evidence corroborative of the pre-
vious witness. lle believed that a junction between the Sheffield
and Manchester and the North Midlands would be one orthe most
important line in existence of the same length, and that no other
locomotive line would effect this but the line to Barnsley—a town
which had a great deal of traffic, and mostly to the westward, which
bad been altogether neglected by the existing lines of railway.
This finished the evidence for the present scheme.
The Committee arranged on taking the Midlands branch to.Elsicar
to-morrow, and then adjourned.

GROUP Xt,
LEEDS AND YORZ RAILWAY.

The Committee resumed this day. Mr. Stafford O'Brien (chair-
man), Lord Norreys, Mr. Bright, Mr. Sheridan, and Mr. Dugdale
took their seats at twelve o'clock.

Mr. Cope's cross-examination by Mr. lIILDTARD was continued,
he stated that the North Midland Company were not aware until
the third week of the 0 tservationS he was making, when they dis-
missed some of his men. If a train professed to start at a certain hour,
and arrived at her terminus a quarter of an hour later, Mr.
Cope set this down as a quarter of an hour lost. There was no post
during these three weeks of observation, as far as his memory served
him.

Mr. IrTLDYARD endeavoured to invalidate this witness's statement
with regard to lose of time on the North Midland, by affirming that
the returns given in by the witness did not tally with Bradshaws
tables of the sea date. The let of April was taken as an example,
on Vidalet day qtr. Cope allowed 9 hours 19 minutes for
maven
not, howe trainvers from 'fork to Leeds. The Learned Counsel did
, controvert this fact, but maintained that the time
advertised by the Company for etarti
tarring meant only the time when
the doors were closed. Witness, however, urged that even that was
no excuse for the Company's not delivering their freight at the time
they advertised. Witness further begged to correct a statement he
made yesterday. He had stated that the traffic on the Wetherby
line was 50 per cent. greater than on the Tadcaster tine. Ile now
begged to sity that it was 100 per cent. greater.
Mr. lIILDTARD clesely questioned the witness as to the amount of
traffic between York and Wetherby, and as to the means of convey-
ance, whether by public carriers, or by private waggons, but witness
having obtained his information through agents, would not
give any evtdene on the point. The traffic between Wetherby
and York he estimated at about 3401. • between Wetherby and
Leeds, at about 1,2501. ; 2,550/. as the Whole revenne from traffic
of goods between York and Leeds ; 5,5251. is the result derivable
from cattle .
. 78,604 persons pass between Wetherby, York, and
Thorp-Arch
Mr. Sergeant WIDKINS having put a question or two that were
answered to his satisfaction,
Mr.bCeoaspesisgitdas, HARDY,inthreeptloytatloatifro.untol
rathmact RbEiet,,,n.:,,
fairly
York by way of Witherby. n Leeds and
,—... might very
3lr
superintendent of police in the
Borough
Called
3ir. jam
gaveevieds;nce corroborative of the alleged
delays on the York and North
Midland. He had latterly sent wit-
nesses by coach at assize
time to ensure their attendance.
To Mr. MrLDWID —Witness
admitted that he was a shareholder in
BoAfiNfeedes, who _
al
the Leeds and York Railway. He
had known the Court to be delayed
for half-an-hour.
To Mr. RoniNsorf—Witness said that an additional train would

have obviated these irregularities.
Mr. Berzmax, civil engineer to the York and Leeds Railway Com-
pany, was next called by Mr. Baines, but his testimony was solely
of a professional character.
To Mr. HiLrorAan--1% itnc.ss admitted that by the powers of the
Leeds and York Bill they could not unite with the Leeds and Brad-
ford, with the North Midland. with the Leeds and Church Fenton,
nor, indeed, with any of the lines in which Mr. Hudson was inte-
rested, although he ban originally entertained the idea of such
junctions.

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Mr. HILDYMID now submitted to the Committee that this admis-
sion ought to prove fatal to the Bill before them, Inasmuch as It
proved that the line was not laid out in the best way for the public
benefit.

Mr. MartEs urged, on the contrary, that his Learned Friend was
bound to go on with hbi cross-examination of the witness.
Mr. HILDTAID did not object to this, but distinctly intimated that
he by no means waived the objection he had taken, and added, that
he should, on the termination of his cross-examination, again request
the sense of the Committee on the point he had raised.
Mr. ALEXANDEIt urged on the Committee the saving of time that
might be effected if they would give their decision on the point raised
by his Learned Friend Mr. Hildyard. As, otherwise, he should enter
upon a lengthened cross-examination of the witness on behalf of Mr.
ti,hoelsuyiiriwt.eirieNeVilgson, as would also his Learned Friends Mr. Sergeant
Wilkins and Mr. Knowles, en behalf of the Companies for whom
atr• BAINEs submitted that the line was the best of the three before
the Committee,tthbiasaadgwciaedimlasn'd.iirtwahi
admission,
oedetistitairteolinceanadmit thati Mr. Cubitt to prove this fact.
itASD, to save the time of the Committee, was ready to
even Ana
good as it might have Baines, by theis of-the three, but contended that,
inbityrtatmemusanns,tillthabet titehceidlinedeawgar
not
toMt
sor.
Mr. Liildyard continued bueeednto. address the Committee for some time
on the subject, and was followed