The Sun.
London, England, 1846-08-14 00:00:00

COAL USED IN THE NAVY.

On the motion of Mr. HUME, a return of the quantity of
coal used in the Royal Steam Navy was ordered.
JEWEL OFFICE IN 1 HE TOWER.
Mr. HUME moved for a return to the order of the 24th
for a return relative to the British Museum, National Gal-
lery, &c. (so far as relates to the Jewel Office. in the Tower).

SEWERS OF THE METROPOLIS.
Mr. HUME moved that a return to the order of 15th of
Ju:y, for returns relative to sewers of the metropolis, be made
forthwith.

REFUGE FOR PRISONERS.

Mr. MACKINNON wished to know if the Government had
take:► any steps for providing a place of refuge for prisoners
after their discharge from custody. This was a scatter of
great importance, and one in which the Sheriffs and Corpora-
tion of London took great interest.
Sir GEORGE GREY said that the matter was under con
sideration.

MILLBANK PENITENTIARY.
Mr. WILLIAMS wished to know why, in the issuing the
commision for inquiry into the nialpractises alleged to have.
taken place in the prison at Millbank, the name of the Hon.
Member for Finsbury (Mr. T. Duncombe) was not included.
ousenor
fie could assure the Government that neither the
the country would be satisfied with the Commission unless that
Hun. Gentleman's name was included.
Sir G. GREY said that a comm_ission
the petition of the Hon.
had been issued in
consequence of the presentation t
Athieamt
bifearnwionuvlid-
Member for Finsbury, but ho dtihdantoott'h
tation had been given to him catonHceoinv.e
nabers of this Commission would be
have accepted it.
r jurors,The members
the Hon. Member for Finsbury
in the position of
cusee,
and it seemed unfair to place an ac-
of a judge. The gentlemen uho had
was in that of an. ac.
cuser in the position
been appointed were the Earl of Chichester, Lerd Seymour
and Mr. B. Escott, all gentlemen who, from their knowledge
of prison discipline, were most likely to carry out the object.
He did not say that the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. T. Duncombe)
of was not efficient, far from it ; but his name had been left out
the commission for the reasons stated.
Mr. WAKLEY quite concurred in the view taken by the
Hon. Member for Coventry, and thought that his Hon.
Colleague ought to have been placed on the commission.
Ur. WILLIAMS thought that the best person to put
on the commission was one who knew most of the subject.
Mr. DUNCOMBE said that if he had been asked he should
certainly have served on the Commission. He had several
charges to make, and should, if not on the Commission, go be-
fore it with Mr. Baker to substantiate the charges which he
had made, and into the validity of which he had carefully in-
quired.

VAN DIEMEN'S LAND.
Mr. HUME said that he had presented a petition the other
night signed by 4,501) of the most respectable inhabitants of
this colony, praying for the establisment of a re-
presantative legislature. The whole of the influence
of this colony was at present in the hands
of the Home Government, through the governor.
The adoption of the representative legislature, they considered,
was absolutely nelessary for the protection of the property of
the colonists. The affairs of the colony had, from the want of
such a legislature, been mismanaged, its trade injured, and its
expenditure materially increased. In 1827, the expenditure
was 53,0004 ; in 1843, it had increased to 166,000 i.
the expenditure having actually increased during that period

111,060/. He had Intended to him..? that aids tti dos e.sho*iis
should have the power of eleetirg a representative
Legislature; but he should content himself at that
late period of the session, if the GovernmeDL
would, on inquiry, state what measures they intended to
adopt for the better government of the colonies ; what they
intended to do for the future to render the colonies valuable to
this country, instead of a burden, as heretofore, attended wit!
enormous expenae. The time bad come, he thought, when tb°
Government ought to take the whole subject into consideratios.
In Van Diemen's Land there were 35,W0 freemen, and thee,
lo
could be nodoubt it wasa colony of the utmost importance, g 1
could not be properly managed without a representative legisis:
ture. To show the importance of the colony, he might state tbab
the ezportsfrom thiscolonyamounted annually, in round number.!,
to seventeen millions and a half. There were 52 colonies of dit
ferent kinds belsnging to this country, 25 of which had Houses.
of Assembly, but the ethers were regulated by ()liters tn
Council. He might also state that it was requisite that Orders
in Council, with respect to the colonies, should be published'
mediately aft( r they were issued, in order that the parties 01°'
they might affect might take measures in accordance with th,q3„'
without unnecessary delay. It was impossible that the sualy
of such large colonies could be properly managed at home, ono;
therefore, the petitioners prayed for a representative Goverr
me: t. The Hen. Gentleman concluded by presenting we

petition.
Mr. HAWES said the Hon. Gentleman had, in preseothil
the petition, entered into much discursive matter, which For
little or no relation to the sentiments of the petition•
te
ta '
the information of the Hon. Member, he might sat
that the Government considered a representative GovernTtebe
the best ; that the subject had occupied the attention 01,01
Noble Lord at the head of the Colonial Department
Grey), and of the Governor-General of Van
re/
men's Land, and that in the course of the
the whole subject would be carefully considered.. 04
new Governor-General had been recently ae)°%nod
who would no doubt attend to the desires of the colonists,
~
he hoped and trusted that the result of the deliberations et at
Government would meet their wants. The Governinclt' the
the wish of the colonists, had endeavoured to diminisejoie,
number of convicts, but the experiment had proved a fa' ale
and therefore there many difficulties in the was of adopting
system pointed out in the petition.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL had no hesitation to tell the
coa.
Gentleman (Mr. Hume) that, generally speaking, heiusei
sidered that representative institutions ought to be intre°oo
c
into our colonies—( Hear, hear)—but he could not agree,ooist
him that one general measure would apply to
cast
differently situated, and used to different cus
Many of our colonies were inhabited principally hYititso
Englishmen, who had resided in them for a length °,l etbd
but many of the inhabitants are Spanish and natives or.mited
countries, and by others who only resided in them for a lt cos
period; therefore, he said it would be impossible to 0140
general measure to the whole of the colonies belonging toa is
country. He wished to say one word with reglgiestl
Van Diemen's Land, with respect to what his Hon. ri
tbe
(Mr. Hawes) had truly said, that the plan of reduagoa
number of convicts from year to year had failed. The is
vernment were anxious to put an end to transportatribo,
New South Wales ; but they intended to go ferailll
and to adopt part of the policy recommended, bio
respect to transportation, by the Archbishop of 1)",,,gbl
His (Lord J. Russell's) opinion was that transportation 7,ato
to be much diminished ; and with that object he into° 04
introduce a measure to abolish transportation for larceale'or
continue it only with respect to cases were death was beitli
mutted to transportation. Thus, instead of 4,000 personal,' 10
transported in the course of a year, the number Weli
greatly diminished.—( Hear, hear.)
The subject then dropped.
STATUE TO THE DUKE OF WELLINGTOSiost
Mr. C. BERKELEY said he had received a note
the Noble Lord (Lord Morpeth), asking him to poste!i 'OO
0
wo;ion on this subject. He considered this rather unfal,
I e had put it off from time to time, at the request 0'
Government. •
„idbe
Lord MORPETH was understood to say, that he 0°1;0
prepared to answer the Hon. Gentleman on the subject
the termination of the proceedings.
SOLDIERS' KNAPSACKS. (Idle
Sir DE LACY E VANS wished to ask the Hen. piatt
man the Secretary.at-War if a better description of kes Ill°
than that in use was intended to be adopted in the artilY•besgb
one now in use was most cumbersome, injurious to theidesiit
of the soldier, and frequently caused consumption;
could not be put on without assistance. They suffer.", „sit:i
from it during and after a severe march, as it weighe'l..- 1.1
on their chest. Many officers were also cf this opino„"bjer
recommended the attention of the Medical Board to the s;ttals
Captain LAYARD said, a Mr. Barrington had loved pet
knapsack which obviated the inconveniences of the °I, vies:
an '0
in_smuch as they could put it on without assistance, „no'
it with ease, and without injury to their health. Tbe,'-atir
one regiment tried it, and ran up and down the stairs v!rt
convenience. After trying it in this way they aa' eel
extremely light and easy, but it would not be so if tt.,l
loaded. Mr. Barrington said, Look at it—Open said'
is loaded"—and, in truth, the knapsack was as hysok.,;
The French had entirely dispensed with the old loristod !,1
( Hear, hear.) They used a cross belt, ogled
going over the shoulders, went round the loins. Def t raeo lye
that a medical board would be formed to inquire
merits of the knapsack.
MVAinNistSets.aoifchNtvhaery
AFrCeYnchE
jecSt,franDdEthie
of a similar one. • did
After a few words from Mr. FOX MAULE, which
uponthtel;g:
ns
reach the gallery, had had
decided considered
attention Lord G. BENTINCK gave notice that, on Monday nett' -01
going into Committee of Supply, he should call the
tradeb:;
He also took tn
her Majesty's Government to the state of the carrying -
tween this coutitry and the Spaniah coloeiesa's his intentil
opportunity of stating that it Preside
ointment
the Board id
to ask his Right Hon. Friend the
bpointraent of Chid
Control a question with respect
Justice at Bombay. He with respect to the'
a question
First Minister of the Crown under
late Government
pointment of magistrat.ss by the ask the Noble Lord ta'
a th°
Duchy of Lancaster.
The CHANCELLOR of the
should tast
it was not the intention of the Government to proceed
the naval estimates until Monday. Se'
111 r. WAKLEY said that he was glad to hear that toe fio
EXCHEQUER state with
cretary-at-War intended to give the knapsack a trial.
wished to know what sort of a trial ? ' t°
Mr. FOX MA ULE said that there would he no ohjectl°
receive whatever evidence had been collected on the stlWeec.
NATIONAL INSTITUTIONS. tog'
On the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair
into Committee of Supply, • , the
Mr. HUME moved that, with the view of lesseniocoatiag
temptations to drunkenness and immorality, and of Prong
sloe
thereby the welfare of the working classes especially, latee
of society generally, it is the duty of a Christian Legl.slut
to open the British Museum, the National Gallerps'i
similar public places calculated to afford innocent andjao sous'
tire recreation, for the reception of visitors on Sun,uo,4 and
holidays, at such hours after morning service as gin
puNic-houses are open. The Hon. Member said Uri 000!
with :a view of benefiting those who were occuPleed to the
six days in the week, and who were peculiarly exPas ,bour
He ,he
temptation of entering these places on Sundays. to '•"(
that every possible encouragement should be giaen.,,rees;
artisan to induce him to avoid one of the most fertile o.,uttbstl,
evil in this country, namely, drunkenness. Hethele stile
was a question for the Cabinet to consider, whether nt. /;61
might not be prevented or lessened to a great exte-leo4`o
means which he had proposed were in sol-de degree e:se
to produce that effect, and he trusted that the rr-„,g.0f'03,
consider seriously of the matter. Let all those Pia.,„,c-aoh '
ed
struction be opened, and then the people would he I'o4oo
proved. In all cases where public institutions had bee to,
to the public at reduced rates, a great increase Of 7'stitut.
taken place ; it had been so at the Polytechnic .h'itioria the
the Tower, and many of the principal eabirjover
the metropolis. Similar results had taken place a' aod e.by
country where the public had been admitted at 0101'04,0°er
rates to public institutions, and where they had been, the P o,
on the Sunday. As a means, therefore, of checking 0141
great of the gin-palaces, and checking drunkenness,a,,,"h be "
rality, he would submit the motion, the terms of wa" tbe
already stated.
oro°te
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was quite willing to Pr in re 4 ht
object sought to be carried out by the Hon. Membeeto 040,,
to opening national institutions to the public, and 4 that
verge
observe none had done more than himself to forward
sirable end. He was glad to hear of the great iori:orne
that had taken place throughout the country, as to tb„.eowafee'eat
attendance at public institutions. With respect, u.tatea'!ool
the British Museum, it did not appear even from the._:stricnioa
of the Hon. Member himself, that any serious r' of
existed on the week days ; and the real of los
they had to deal with was the opening cos,
institution on Sunday. Regarding pullic garuoslal'ont
would at once say that they ought to be opened on did 0t
they were a great means of promoting health ; but tn.:.
.P.,0
hold good of such an institution as the Muses
the Hon. Member said the opening of it and tins 10
Gailery would be a great means of pottirngileasefe•
drunkenness and immorality. To that he (LorcicVoteseel;
would answer, so would the acting of a play of '"„"oeue"for
but did it follow therefore that the theatres should he:3'ooo4
the House at least to interfere in this
Sundays ? He did not think it would be esP" but to
should leave it to the directors of the Al t efe.
and rue' hat he
make such arrangements as they thought best Was,
dint. One thing, however, he must say, which places o.el 0,,5;
apprehended no clanger from the opening of theaseall ocee*tihes'
to the public. He must bear testimony that: places' ntier-
where they had Leen admitted to 'r,:icOrthY flia ight•
had conducted themselves in the most pra'',: though 1.,,"-„mber
The opening of the Museum on Sunday, eye"
, itorable the
matter, um
on some of the grounds stated by the 11°D- easiollin°o at
be desirable, could not be done without oc
extra labour of a great number of s!yvaol7 thereno4os
present were at liberty on that clay aioneo.deHe of was,
nalivng
against interfering with the present
thought hof r
Museum, as to the opening o9ief it to t
speeche riubofliconthe Noblemor,..
in the main, was --ecl reason he had give ths
Mr. WAKLEYd 'deals. in favour of the ittetl'".pst
• ic Se in-
it,
Hon. Friend, and the only
was the fact of being obliged to employ the servants This dime-
ea_sily.
.be got over, h
stitutionuord Sunday, as well as duryingernthpieov;icespher
vitl,:satqudiatYo
pCUritiOnS"of the Jewish persuasion.-. 4 Laughter. /
A for the situa-
auere there would be plenty of candidates lotto"
dons. He (Mr. Wakley) hat another year
would not elapse before Would be
at once, artd.
the Museum
was sure t''"- Opened to the
public, and he advised the Noble Lord to g•v" wait, effect that
co-operate with his brother trustees,
arrangement.
Mr. WILLIAMS !aridsupported the motion. nrlty, the/
Mr. SHAW thought thyats,ua a Christian corona. f they
t° stet)
should oppose the opening such institutions on Suns say in order
opened the Museum on Sunday, it would be in/Pcis'aiouseoleilt;
the opening of the theatres and other placest.
tholba
He thought the Noble Lord had made a wise dis I,°snhetaiwon)bettceebt
gardens and in-door institutions. He (Mr,' that the Pe"ol
it right and expedient, as a matter of hcalt"c; British Alusen
gardens should be open on Sundays, not so the DrE,
het°
or the National Gallery. It had -
üblic on that'
Captain PECHELL supported the motion._ cooda)?.
said that if the Museum were opened to the
at all ate
day, but he (Captain Pechell) could
it would lead to the opening of the tpheattres on to
r ;161
how that would follow, and he, therefore,.
065
He felt Lord t'
consider it a tenable argument.
that the question was duly appreciated by the
the head of the Government, and he hoped th_;.vend our,
Lord would vote for the motion if his Hon.
Hume) pressed the House to a division.
clitic or ,sci
tae
Mr. GOULBURN could not consider it a p :nion,
course to grant this motion which would, in Ina tlO%.
to a great desecration of the Sabbath. At the
aa;,,, atbaof
Naohlehesiob)o,
he would bo most ready to ow his suplitztettle _
proper steps which might be taken to hutr anis
eht Fhard k
this country.—( Hear, hear.) The late government
seed aod
tended proposing a project, having that object
Govercnte'.
whoopttekdi that the
eLcot.rd at the head of thine
err
• the G°°. 00
ment would he very glad to carry out the humane) 116-6
Sir W. CLAY said that he was quite sure thativoto
t tbe' of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Goultnron•
said obeli _,
Dr. BUNVIII.NG said that much had hee
Sabbath.
desecration of the Sabbath, but in his opinion It was
tLe best ways of consecrating the Noble
_ from the bia
Mr. HUME said, that after what had fallen from
not press
Lord at the head oj the Gove.ro.caent, he would
motion at present to a division.
The ;notion was accordingly withdrawn.
LEFT 3X2'IINGO