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tradesmen and burgesses of Southampton ;by Mr. Craven with regard to the mealtime that he would proceed from day to i British Colonies tothe timber growing countries of the North
Berkeley, 'frorii the borough pf Cheltenham ;by Lord •Ernest to-day with that Bill till it was finally disposed of, and postpone of Europe. Bat he remembered that tbe very same prophecy
Bruce, from the corporation of Marlborough ;' by the till then any proceedings on the Bill for protection to life in , had been made wherethe reduction of the duty of 3Us. por load
same Noble Lord, from the inhabitants of the town of Ireland. -, ' • was threatened some years pretiouily, although at the time the
Marlborough ;by Mr. William Cripps, from the bo- Sir ROBERT PEEL—I can assure the Noble Lord-that I , reduction was made it was positively asserted that it would be
rough of Cirencester ;by Mr. Etwall, from the corporation never felt greater anxiety in my life with. regard to any mea- ! utterly desttuctive of the shippieg intetests. Now, he would
of Andover ;by the same Hon.! Gentleman from the clergy, sure than Ido with respect to the corn-law. I have received venture to Put it as a tact worthy ot illustration, and capable
gentry, landowners, agricultut lets, and other inhabitants of the communications from different parts of the country, and from 'of illustration in the House, whether the greater benefit derived
town of Andover anti Us neighbourhood; by Mr. Compton, parties adverse to the measure, praying that some decision by the country had not been obtained through the instrumen-
from the laudowners and agriculturists of Stockbridge arid its should be come to forthwith on the question of the corr.-laws. talitY of those who had thought fit to change their opinions
neighbourimod ; by Mr. Bennett, from the corporation of In the first: place, it was to be desired on account of the state of and support the measures of the Right Honourable
Sahsbury ; by Mr. Phillip, from the corporation of Poole ;by - the crops in this country, that there should be free access to the baronet at the head of the Government, or those who
Air. Etwall, from the corporation of Homey ; by the corn in bond, that it might be mixed with the corn in this remained under the effect of the conviction years ago,
same Hon. Member, from . the inhabitants of Romsey ;by is ,untry fer seecre and on that account, as well as on account of notwithstateding all the circumstances which had occurred.
Mr. Neeld, from the borough of Cricklade and the town of the inconvenience in other respects which would result from Why, what WaS the evidence on which the Government had
Swindon ; by Mr. Sidney Herbert, from the inhabitants of the delay, it would be desirable that this decision should be altered their opinion ? His Hon. Friend said that the ship-
the borough of New Sarum ;by Mr. G. W. Hope, from the come to as soon as possible. In the event of this Hill becoming owners, having been made the victims of free-trade, had now
commissioners of the port and harbour of Southampton ; law, foreign corn would be ailmitted at a duty 'of 4s. per come forward to petition against the measure of the Govern-
by Lord t lharles Wellesley, from the inhabitants ot Redhridge, quarter, instead of 18s., as at present, and under thete circum- ment, and referred to the petition for a proof of the opinions
Millborsok, and eating s by Sir William eleathcote, from the stances of course no corn weutd be taken out of bond till it was which they entertained ; but from it it appeared that a gradual
inhabitants ot Broughton ; by Mr. Sidney Herbert, trom the definitely known what course would be pursued with respect to increase had taken place in the number of tons exported into
nerouesi of Devisee , by Mr. Phillips, from the inhabitants ef the measure. In point of fact less corn had beer. sold ' this country ; in fact, during the last two or throe years.
Pimle; by Mr. Ilamilten, from 1,60-e ratepayers and iehabi- in those towns, the averages from which determine the thete exportations had increaeed more than a milllion of
tants of the Isle of Wight ;by Mr. Compton, from the inha- price of corn, than had been sold for some time previa'''. ions. There had been a corresponding increase in the steam- •
bitauts of Foreinghridge; by Mr. Sidney Herbert, from the Besides, he had to observe, that the greatest inconvenience boat trade. Then, with respect to the Canadian time '
inhabitants of Downton ; and by Sir William Heathcote, from was likely to arise to separate very important interests. As ber trade, he quoted returas, to show that the reduction
the owners, lessees, and occupiers of land upon the line.— for instance, with respect to the Custom Duties Bill, the of duties had inereaset tl,e trade, and that shipowners had
Greeted to be referred to the Committee on the Bill. Treasury, in accordance with the established usage, had consequently reaped a corresponding advantage.
Mr. ESTCOURT moved that it he an instruction to the directed the custom-house authorities to admit all erticles in- The returns flow Liverpool showed the same result, and
lite4URT . I Select Cionmittee on Pete tens for Private Bills, to take into eluded in the tariff now before the House, at the reduced rates he could atsure the House that the trade his! incresseed since
n eni OF REQUESTS, MANCHESTER. 1 their earlii:st coosideretion the several following peiitions for of duty; a bond being taken from the importers to secure the the duties had fi. st been reduced. After a easeful considers-
tittliaie:"l,l-oan also presented a petition from Manchester. i eels which have been reterted to them, viz. :—Perth and payment, of the higher rate of duty in the event. of the Bill tion of all these facts, the Select Committee, ohich sat in 1835,
4 it-5' ''' the processes of the Court of Requests there 1 Invernesc Railway ; Inverness and Elgitt Junction Railway ; not passing the House. Under this regulation, all the linen, stated that it was their opinion that the difference of duty of
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CORN-LAWS. ' entrayshire Railway ; Aberdeen. Banff. and Elgin Railway ; woollen, and cotton fabrics, had been admitted, and all neanu- 45:. as compered with North American timber was too great,
Kilmarnock and Troon Railway • Paisley, .Barrheart, and factures of that class were admitted at the present moment, and end ought tO be reduced; and, that having a due regard to the
4, ktaeael'x Loan had further to present a petitien, if the Hurlet Railway ; Kiimareeck and 'Ayr Direct Railway; and he propose. to receive all other manufactures at the reduced interest which had been created by the system of protection, a
Os,elthe Duke of Richmond) w :ulil allow him. from the Hamilton and Strathaven Reilway. rate of 10". per cent. Now, he was anxious te bring this reduction of the protective duty, not exceeding 153. a load,
'el "esriten d inhabitants ot Penrith• They Me- Mr. eIoDGSoN hoped the House would riot agree to the debate to as early a conclusion a. possible, because the bonds might be made. If they considered the facts of the case,
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1.4.• ts e ' elay in paseing the Corn Bill and this every one motion, although it was brought forward by the chairman ot taken from the several. parties at the reduced rate would Hon- Gentlemen might see that the same kinds of timber
, . eilk , t xeepting the Noble Duke himself. —( Laughter. ) tne Standing Orders' Committee. Should the motion be agreed be much more likely of redemption; and, possibly, great in- nere not emPloYed for the same purposes , and by increasing
-`((loe eof RICHMOND did net wish the Bill passed at
od is belted laughter. ) to it would put many parties to a very great exeense. convenience might be prevented, not only to the Government the demand for that used in constructing the laraer portion of
If the Hun. Member came down asking to put Bilis out of but to the public at large. Under these circummances he was houses, they would increase the demand for th; other kinds
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i - its , ELL, Ade the Noble and Learned Lord tease their order, it was quite clear that the persons promo+ ing other very anxious for the settlement of the reduction which the of wood ; also for brickr, and other exciseable articles; and,
e,.4 eeetue Noble Duke on the cross benches, rose, and Bills could have no idea what time they would be called on, Government had proposed on the importatien if articles of above all, they would increase the demand for labour. And
en Qin" , laughter said, in a " loud whisper," that he and this would necessarily involve a very heavy expense on the foreign produce. That was the first ground of his anxiety he did consider that his Hon. Friends had, on very rational
•Leellteltnenll) also had same petitions to present. part of some promoters. for the conclusion of the discussion on the Corn Bill. Yet conclusions. introduced the measure; for himeelf, he believed
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ettuGHAm_whe petitioners urged that the post- Mr. E. ELLICE 'tin , said that he knew one instance where he was bound to express the opinion of the Government upon that like causes would produce like effects, and he would ask
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'lt sti tee petition was a compremne of justice, and a railway was within' i tei:o ot the top of the list, and therefore the great. importance of the Bill sent. down from tke House of the House to agree to this proposition,
itttes..`°4_Prayed for the total and immediate repeal of the very likely to be cailed on soon, nut by some new arrange- Lords for the prevention of crime in Ireland, and which now
~ 4 , (lie pointed manner in which the Noble Lord tnent of the Standing Orders Committee—an arrangement stood on the notice-book for a first reading. The course, then,
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put back for three weeks, aad the parties who were opposing the Corn Bill for Monday next. The debate on that Bill Mr. A. CHAPMAN said that it was with the deepest feel-
4, en tbd complain. The Bill was hurried through Par them were obliged, in consequence, to support these witnesses might very possibly terminate on Thursday, and in that case ings of regret that he differed on this geestion from the Go-
efieu,tvoid the outcry which would be raised against it in town at a great expense. . ne would fix the first reading of the Bill for the prevention of vernment of the Right Hon. Gentieman ; and his object in
eel eethe country. Mr. STRUTT said that if the Committees on Select Peti- assassination in Ireland for the Monday following. But as it rising wan to draw the attention of the House to the injury .
)4tss •;I°UGHAM said that it was hurried on at the pace lions wished to do their duty to the public, they would take might possibly happen that the discussion on the Coen Bill, as which might be ieflieted by a transfer of the Canadian trade to
, '4,14' rather than of the swift-footed Achilles. the Bills it. their regular order upon the list. He invariably anticipated by hie friend to the right, might possibly terminate the Baltic. Timber had ever been considered as a fair subject
d"'ltli.leirnstNit‘L,EJ said he bad several petitions to present tO did SO, unless he had the consedt in writing of promoters and before the Thursday. he would, in that case, fix the first read- for taxation, and he very much feared that the proposed mea-
,no ne re 'louse upon the same sobject as that of 'the objectors to its postponement. ing of the Irish Bill for Thursday. The only difficulty he ex- eure would be by no means beneficial to their shipping inte-
me), sented by the Noble Lord who had just set down. ' 'the motion was then put and agreed to. perienced on that point was, that he should not then be en- rest ; and he should be exceedingly glad if he found his expec-
,ly ; these petitions Was from the tenant-fartnere of the LONDON AND OXFORD RAILWAY BILL. abled to give the usual notices on the books. But of this the tation deceived, and if the benefits which had been stated by
enosiiit aaddington, who stated that they viewed the Mr. COBDEN presented a petition in favour of this Bill. Noble Lord might be assured, that on a matter of se much im- her itisjestyte Gevernment should arise from the measure.
tile ted change in the corn-laws with alarm, and that DOWNPATRICK GAS WORKS. portance he would give all the notice which the circumstances Captain HARRIS considered that if this measure received
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„ not oe imported into this country from foreign Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition, praying that the would allow, both to the House and to the country, of his in- the sanction of the House, it would inflict a lasting injury on
, without adequate protection to the botne Downpatrick Gas Work, Bill be passed. tention to proceed with the Bill. He found that the debate on the service to which he belonged. He had before etated that
e 4'7d that at least they should he compensated in the THE MILITIA. the subject ef railway termini in the metropelis had been ad- the tariff ettlie Right Hon. Gentleman had worked extremely
nsit, t 'tett a Bill passing. He had another petition to Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented several petitions against journed, but OD its resumption On Monday he would be pre. nen, but he did believe that they had arrived on that tariff to
neenreZto the churchwardens and inhabitants of NewchaPel, the enrolment of the militia. The same Hon. Member pre- Pared to give the assent of her Majesty's Government to the the minimum of protection Which could be given by a paternal
attseedte, which stated that the passing of the Bill would dented a petition from the handloom weavers of Wickham. recommendation t,f the Commiitee.—( Hear.) Government.—( Hear, hear. ) He had not been able to arrive
ea with results the moat pr•judicial te the general praying tor some modification of the existing laws in their THE ADJOURNED DEBATE. . at the number of ships which were engaged in the channel
l't ea:, the Britieh empire, and that the manufacturing regard. On the order of the day for going into Committeeon the trade. If the Secretary of the Board of Trade was correct, the
e nide not require the passing of such a law. He Mr. COBDEN presented several petitions praying for a total Customs Hill being read, number of vessels which were engaged in the trade with Canada
I,:tt;s, ,e'er petition from the inhabitants of a parish and immediate repeal of the corn-laws, which wens ordered to The Marquis of WORCESTER said he would not occupy was 1,200, and the number of men ;employed 15,000. The
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, 11, tY of Flint against the same Bill,and the petitioners lie on the table. the time of the House at any length by the observation', he most of these ships made two trips in the season, and when he
le teY would not be sacrificed. The next petition which ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. should make in prefacing a resolution et hich he had to move. commanded one of her Majesty's ships-of-war off that
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Olt•:oPresent, upon the same subject, was from two parishes On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the E-- - , going in p.ace _nue teneer nearly en station, he had no difficulty in procuring a supply
i'pe uuty of Kildare, in Ireland, and the petitioners, in i CHEQUER, it wee agreed that the House at its rising do the same footing as Canada, and what did the House think of from 200 to 300 men. This proved the great advantage
':th.Y.l7`. drew rather a curious distinction. They stated adjourn till illondav next. would be the effect of such a step? Why, the Canadian of keeping up the shipp•ng, trade between the two countries.
di ee viewed the contemplated change with consterna- RAIL-WAY AMALGAMATION. trade in timber was almost all in the hands of British mer- It had been stated that no petitions had been presented from
otoeure calculated to have an injuidous effect upon Mr. WILSON PATTEN gave notice that, on Monday, he chants, while the . Baltic trade was carried on by Dante, the colonies with regard to the present question. Now, he bad
Vie d4tural intetests of that country, ind that, in the would move for a Select Committee to inquire whether railway Swedes. and Prussians. Now, were they to legislate for the to state in reference to that, that they had no time to present a
tette,, Paseing, the Irish farmers should receive compensete amalgamation weie consistent with the commercial interests foreigner in Preference te.the Englieh? If they were, he petition on the subject. On the last occasion when the re.
insetteat the general interest of tee Irish farmer snould of the country. oould ask how was the British shipowner, without protection, duction took place on these duties, five petitions were presented
Ore'lr— ( Laughter. ) He agreed with the petitionere, Mr. R. YORKE asked the Secretary of State for the Home to oontend against such odds as these ? The Hon. Gentleman aiginst the reduction from the Governor-General of Canada,
ettet.',:ted that they had not gone as far as he could wish. Department whether he could give any specific information in the Member for Wolverhampton had said that a foreigner would and twelve from New Brunswick. He would not detain the
ti tre_fd the introduction of ibis Bill, and trusted it would respect to th'e return to England of Joseph Mason, vibo was be surprised to see the course pursued by Hon. Members on House longer, but. believing that the measure would be ruin-
t ''lve their Lord-hipe' sanction. tenteeced to twenty years' transportation at the York M •rch the Ministerial side of the House, but he (the Marquis of out to the mercantile interest, he would give it his most decided
teN go IRISH BISHOPS' REVENUES.
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Oat ~_ LEY presented a petition from the bishop and Aseizes, in 1843, upon a - conviction which turned out to eave Wormoter) rather thought the foreigner would be more tar- opposition.
beets given in two, and which WAS established So te have been prised to see the course pursued by the Government, who were Mr. PALMER said that that was amongst tbe first interests
ctlttli4otee dieceee of Kilroore, praying that the penr.rate given in December, 1845. removing the taxes on foreigners, and placing them on English. which were attacked by the mischievous measures of the Go-
\ 'be deducted from their ineomes. The petitioners Sir J. GRAHAM said that a. commission had been ap- men.—( Hear, hear.) vernment. They would be pernicious to every interest, but
intee Prayed that they might be assessed to the poor-rates pointed to - inquire into the circurnstauces, and at first there Mr. H. HINDE (who rose amidst loud cries of " Divide" more especially ter the shipping interest. So tar
qdAforo,4s.Eofits. appeared no reason to be dissatiefied with tee verdict. Suttee- from the Opposition) said that he did expect that after the from the 'eduction which. bad taken place being
at,. "'EAGLE presented a petition in favour of the quently information was given that an alibi could be proved. Noble Lord had stated his objection to the proposition of her productive of benefit, be considered the effect was quite the
• " ish) Western Railway. 'The Noble Lord also Ihe circumstances ef that alibi were so strange, that it was Majesty's Government some Member sitting on the Treasury reverse. The Right Hon. Gtinleman had taken all the respon.
L•n. a petition from the grand jury of the city ot thought right to leave the evidence to the coneuteration of one benches would have arisen to offer some explanation of the sibility of theee measures from first to last, anti he bad evinced
(igenr Praying the Government to afford the people the of the judges. The whole matter was therefore left to the reasons whieh induced the Government to postpone this great a determination to carrY them intoeffect notwithstanding every
inte ee'ateltroving the harbour in that locality. and whiltt be etanideration of Mr. Justice Coleridge, and in consequence of and startling alteration in the duties Oa timber. It could opposition. He could only saY with regent to this measure-
Ottah wlshed to ask the Noble Lord at the head of the his decision a free pardon was sent out to Mason, who was now hanny be that her Majesty's Government, in the great alters,- that arsine time since he recollected, whets an Hon Member,
••71.,,2. ..hether it was probable that the Government re- on his return to England. ' - Cons they were making, considered, that having established now no more, had made a reference to it, and to the itn-
,thearting the harbour in queition would be shortly laid Mr. WYSE wished to ask a question of the Right Hon. the general principle of the reduction of duties, that timber, portance which this country had attained under the naviga.
tee "e of the tioue ? Baronet at the head of the 'Home idePertment ( Sir Jas. Gra- as a matter of ceurse, should be included in that reduction. tion laws. as a reaeon why any interference with this queetion
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khe 4, EN BOROUGH said that the report had been hao ) with respect to education in Ireland. By the report ot He would ratber have deferred his remarks on this debate should be well considered, the answer was, that the changes
e e dnuat day and it would be Lid on the table of the the Commiestoners of le3S from the Board of National Edu- until eome explanation had been given by her Majesty's then contemplated would not be injurious. He did not believe
Neethe vows.. of next week. 'lt would have been cation in Ireland, he learned that it was a recornmendatien Government, but he was unwilling to go to a divisioo on this that the Right Hon. Baronet wiehed to bring miechief upon the.
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eniitzsril at an earlier .period, but there was a natural Otl the part et that board that schools should be established g
istete e part of the Governinetit to present !the reports
k the reat question without stating his own views upon it. He had interests of the country, but his measui es would certamly have
throusteout the several districts of that country. During the misfortune to differ from her elajeseyts Government on that eff ct. Whence, he would ask, was all this universal phie
L t eld, other harbours of Leland at the same time. the course of last session the Government gave a promise that
.almost every reduction of duty on the articles meetioned in lan,hro; y, that they should be called upon to cast away the
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hi in' a CLARE entirely concurred with what had fallen an Act 4 incorporation for the national education in Irelend -the tariff, He confessed that he viewed the echeme of her bread of their childreti? Was the time now come when the lion
, htft'eethie Friend. should be passed that Reuse. Flo had therefore three (mese Majesty's Government, formed, DO doubt, with a good inten... should lie down with the lamb ?He wee very much afraid that
Letteide!lSH AND IRISH UNION RAILWAY. tions to ask —fi, st, as to whether any intention was entertained tint, with apprehension, for he was sure that it would be a the Noble Lord ( Russell) had only opened the door to let in
eat nAUSION i' presented a petition in favour of this ot making an alteration in the constitution of the Board futile attempt to promote the general prosperity tif this country the fox.—( Iseurthter. ) The Hoe. Gentleman, after alluding
tetilway. of Education in Ireland, as was promised last sessiou ; by inflicting injuries on individual interests.—e Hear, -hear. t to the evil consequences which would result from the reduction
elle is, THE CASE OF MR GULSTON. . eecondly, whether any measure was to be brought in for He was aware that her Majesty's Government were proud of the silk duties, proceeded to say that in consequence of the
i'leSetr: "I of CL e NCARTY said he took nett opportunity giving effect, to that alteration its the several towns mentioned that on this occasion they were suppot•ted by certain ship- change in the navigation laws he oas . obliged to sell ships at
Ln- Ltd, that Mr. Gulston had produced the documents in the teport ; and thirdly, whether there was any intention of owners in this kingdom. He did net know what importance 5.0001., white,- cost him 20,000/. He hoped he would
nseo"in been referred to last night. That gentle- ear•yirtg out this recc,mmeedation in the way of the total:titan to attach to the opinions expressed by these shipowners, not be censidered as speaking personally offensive to the
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Isidered that he tied no right to produce tee papers ment of schools in the agricultural districts? wnen the same parties hed on a 'tomer occasion night Hon. Gentleman, when he stated his belief
4ttl " order from the Commissioners. That had been ob- S,r JAAS ES GRA el Ael was glad to have the satisfaction to petitioned against the carrying of any such measure as the-pre- that he was not acting in an ingenuous manner with either
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new papers given up. answer the Hon. Member for Waterford ( Mr. Wyse), and sent into effect. "
He knew that it might ber that charge of that House or the country. with reference to his recent mea-
",trite nu U. G HAM did not think there had been any irre. to say that a charter of incorPoralion oas being - prepared opinion and change of parties, without any.cause aseigned, cures. The statement which the Right Hon. Baronet made
nee neaniiested on the preeent occasion. He had read the for the National Board of Education in Ireland. In found favour in-the eyes of her Msjeety's :Ministers. for " fel- the other night was more like that of an advocate or a special
i;tit;i4,ll::t• :Illtir. Gulston to the Commissioners, for leave to reply to the eecond qutstion, he was also able low feeling melte.' us viondrous kind. ' When he knew the pleader, than of a great statesman. In 1820 the number of
Papers, and thought he had acted in the •to say that measures were in prepalation for the establishment great =penance attached to these petitions, he could not help vettels employed were n 9,969 ;in 1840, 29,181; so that there
ISnnwith.:dne conssderation. He Was glad to hear that lof those eehoels to which the Hon Member had alluded. And suppesing that some sympathy of that kind existed between was an hue ease merely ef 6 per cent. He admitted there had
1 eteldnotrnissioners had seen the proptiety of not eetting lin rimly to the third entstion, he hao to aey that the Govern- her Majesty's Government and the petitioners. He was not been a large int:re:l,e in the tonnage, which probably might be
! htitiv,es in opposition to the privileges of the House. I metal were as equally anxious to spread edui•ation through tbe disposed to dispute the respect due to this kind of petit ion, but owing in semi. meaeure to the constructing of the vessels ; but
Nt l'-arl . f CLANCARTY wend be the last person in that
t t ' agricultural districts as through the municipel population ; but the House would be underw most erroneous impression if they how ships could only increese at the rate of 6 per cent. and
t,:n accuse the Learned Lord of irregularoy.—(Leud it weulti depend upon the reports of the National Beard of imagined that these gentlemen represented a large portion of tonnage at the rwe of 20 per cent., he could not tell. British
er.) Education in which way their efforts oere to be tweeted. the shoe-ownet s' intereld. He would not venture to say what tonnage between this country aud Norway, Sweden, Denmark,
'tei d'i MONTEAGLE said that Mr. Gulston had written
, oei CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL. • was the get-mint feeling of the shipping interest, as he Would and Russia, in 1806, amounted to 107,118 tons, and in 1844 to
t,ise intend asking tor certain letters, for the purpose of using On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE- say that the gentlemen petitioning the House in Favour of the 130,100 ions, which showed an increase of 20 per cent., not-
e, "r his own case. The answer tbat was given was not QUER, the Consolidated Fund Bill (8,000,0000 received its alienation of duty formed far the smaller portion of the shipping withstanding the increase in the price of timber. The ton-
in•erest. This Howie and her Majesty's Government would be nage of the Foreign trade in 1826, was 65,564 tons, while in
t'it,tij:ero..ornent to withhold the. documents. It. was therefore third readieg and passed.
1 tels 100_, but s'ill he considiired the question put by the mr. wYnet moved that tbe charter of incorporation under led into a great error if they supposed that the ship-owners, 1844 it amounted to 548,722 tons, showing an inc!eaee of 8.50
der ',„id Learned Lord was a very proper one. , which the National Board of Education in Ireland had been proposing an alteration of duty, had become disciples of free per cent. During the last two or three pens the British ship-
trade. They considered that they had been the first •ictims of ping to tbe Baltic amounted to 109.000 tons, and in 1844 tot
rdt ,`•ISIROUGI-I AM—The better way of judging the (mese t incorporeted should be laid upon the table.
tilti-:°4ld be to see the letters of the Commissioners to Mr. mr, PETER Iet)RTHWACK rose to ask the Right Hon. free trade in earlier years, and they now indulged in the feeling, 130.000 sons. Foi eign ships durir g the same perieds respect-
h "t 4 the First Lord of the Treasury, whether it was the intention of the not unnatural feeling, of thinking that the protection ively amounted to 341,553 and 528,722 tons. The amount of
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et e. nLAIE said that the very moment the letters were i her- majesty's Government to present to this House Copies or which was denied to themselves should be withheld from the timber whiiih. during last year, went into the pocket uf the
N,-sr 11r. Gunton received the authority of the Cemmie"' 1 extracts of anY correspondence which may have passed between their fellowesunjects. He would now read two passages from foreigner, was 1,533,00•11 That was the account he literally
'to, fur their roduction. He might produce them if he I the Secretary of Stite for Foreign Affairs and her Majesty's the petitions which were presented by the Right Honourahe received ; while the Canadians received Is. 6d. a load lese
k, .he h P
ts gin owever, considered he had no right to proeuce G tleman from the shi creners of Sunderland and he did than they did bef
Minister at Washington, in relation to the Oregon territory. en p , ore. The present measure would still far-
t] 'i he hart the order to do so from the Commis.ioners. e
It might be in the recollection ot the House, that at the be- consider that the Right Honourable Baronet would have act d ther affect the British shipping. The freight to Canada was
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tine. kers from the Commons brought uP certain Bills, ginning of the present session of Parliament her Maia'tfy had, much more wisely if he had contented himeelf with simply 31s. a load, while that to the Baltic Was only 14s. It wee now
lug their Lordships' assent. —Ordered to lie on the table. 1 tram the throne, regretted that the conflicting claims of Great moving their reception, without having them printed, because 215., bundle usual rate was 145., so that they could not take
kfthE FEVER (IRELAND) BILL. Britain and the United States had not been satisfactorily settled, the reasoning of the Petitioners was very much at variance with the difference between Baltic and Canadian freightage at less
e 1 :h. 1.4 ST. GERM AN S stated, with reference to the l• although they had been madethe subjectof repeatednegotiation• the Preeyer el the Petitions. They state that they have than 14s. per load, It might be said that the Baltic timber
1 t telt the Noble Duke had introduced that evening, that ,
tee Up to that mtonent the House and the country had yielded a been tor many years unprotected in their intercourse was preferable to the Canadian ( Hear, hear)—
then ted their Lerdrhips considering the very. important silent but entire confidence in the carrying out of that measure. with °their, nati°ens i they did not consider that it was but he considered that that advantage, even if it were
'tit: ttf the provisions of' the Bill and the presstng demand It was not his intention to disturb thedsilence, or to intimate in .innst t° n,a," on !nem., to Pay for the protection of others. admitted, would not counterbalance the evils which would re-
I - site d
en, ne y operation, dispense with the usual standing orders the slightest degree a diminution ef that confidence. But it was ne wouin not Justify this feeling, but it was verY na- 'ult if the reduction of the present protection were carried into
ritit,i;'::.)ilse, and allow the Bill to be passed into law will all impo"sible to conceal the fact, that although that House appre- tural• nowever, the shipowners were much deceived effect. He admitted, however, that better seamen would be
eispatch. Mated, and fully understood, the spirit in which her it they considered that the landed interest maintained a protec- made by a trip to the Baltic, exposed to the vici-situdes of the
~,I'hei„METROPOLITAN BUILDING ACT. Majesty's Ministers acted, yet, on the other side of tive duty on timber to serve their own interests. They sought North Sea, than ny a voyage across the Atlantic. It had been
eon,. nriviships then went into Committee on this Bill, and the Atlantic there did exist misguided and ignorant Protection for the benefit of the shipowners themselves—and he sat(' that different petitions were presented from shipowners in
le, clauses were one through and agreed to, and the Bill persons, who Put upon the words pronounced by her would state that he believed the shipowners had very recently this country in favour of the present reduction. He ctid not
4t b g! ' majeety from the throne, and the subsequent proceedinge of her ("hanged their opinions with regard to protection, and that know who all the parties were, but he knew some of them.
, 0 e read a third time on Monday next.
, TI44e,ONDON AND YORK RAILWAY BILL. majesty's Government in that House, a construction which was the change which had come over them was mere recent than He knew three names which were attached to the petition pre-
tit, elarqui„f CLAN etlcewlDE said that in reference to not intended to be produced. Blamer and bravado always that of her Majesty's Government. In 1832 the vessels en- seated from London, and he could undertake to say that they,
1 indiceted timidity, and with feelings of bluster and bravado had tided innards were—British, 1,930,846 tons; and foreign, at least, were not engaged in general shipping. One of them
trisZ' he presented last night,. he would wish to call their
tete) tles to postpone his motion, and send the etudes to the ,' the war party in America received the intimation . which 561•047.t0n5. In 1845, British vessels were 3,669,653 tons ; was cennected with the West India trade, another wis en..
. 0 r 4,!! before the committee on Standing Ordets. The reason I had_ been given by this country. He thought It was and foreign vessels,
.1,3b3,735 tons. It was perfectly true that Waged in the. colonial trade, and they were all strong partisans,
Zoe': this request was, that the petitions were placed in his time that England sheuld distinctly declare her there was a_ laege increase in British tennage, but inwas not 1 hen' testimony, therefore, in favour of the pre-
views. He had preferred rather to put a question ,to nt laree as tir increase on the foreign tonnage. f lee inerea!e sent measure, could not be considered uninterested,
.ttilie IIY on Monday last, and the fact of those petitions not
0n , twen presented in time, was owing to his hay- 1 the Right Honourable Gentleman than make a motion en linter-1h !hied was under 90 per cent., and the increase In There was no doubt the Right Hon. Baronet was perfectly
ltlieul them over, with a view to consult other upon the subject, as he thought the subject itself foreign slops was 140 per cent. --e Cheers. ) The tonnage satisfied that what he proposed was for the good of the country;
lee,t, Lords,- and have Noble and Learned Lords' opinion was not one to be discuesed in a popular assembly. cleared outwards was—in 1832, 1,637,093 ; and the foreign, so far he had perfect confidence in him, but he. •notwithstancl-
'4t, 1,4" nature of their conteitts. Therefore, the blame of He had hoped that the Right I ion. Baronet would, of his own 466,.333. In I'os, British tonnage was 2,947,000 i ;Ind ing, could not help statine his belief that the Bight Hon, Gen.
welitties being too late in the presentation of them was en- accord, recommend the produetion of such of these papers, or fo, eign, 1,361,910. The increase in British was 1,310,0e0, tleman was in error. He was at a loss to know what benefit
tsileettributable to him ;on those grounds, then, he had extracts from them, as might be necessary to inform the and in foreign tonnege 95,000. In British It was this country would derive from such a measure. He could only
titt`litit•tion in re ueetin their Lordships to permit the pen- House of the nature of the negotiations which had taken place. 80 per cent., but in foreign 190 per cent.—(Cheere. ) find it likely to benefit foreigners,. It was a measure embrace
"Itit:ritl, to go befgore' theg Committee on Standing Orders on He would, therefore,' simply Auk the Right Hon. Gentleman In the number ot vessels carrying tonnage both inwards and ing the grand principle of free trade as proposed by her Ma-
-1:t trY next, when they could be heard, and no injure would , whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to Outwards wete included a eery large amount ot steani-vevsels— jestey's Ministers—it was a measure which called upon tbat
resent to dee House those Palters, or extracts from any core vessels which bore very little it any, cargo al. all ; and the cons Houte to withdraw all protection from the trade of this country
, ,
sequence was, that a very undue propoetion in the whole was —to withdraw as it were the protection of the parent from the
ht sile 10 an art He, therefore, begged to move that I p
'()
petit. " y . I respondence which passed between our 'Minister at Washington
rder ion be referred to the Committee on Standing
k, Ltd'. b ' I and the Minister .of the United States with relation to the given to the number of vessels carrying cargo. He would child. He could understand the princiele of free trade in this
et ie "EAU:MONT said he would object to this proceeding i Oregon territory. strew by a number of figeres the number of steam-veesele country, so far as it allowed a recip•ocity of trade amongst
Illteti'lltg quite irregular. He could not see why this request, I
, Sir ROFIF.RT PEEL—Mr. Speaker, Ido not think it will which were included in the Goverhment returns. In 1841, the themeeiven but he ceuld not agree to a s stem which gave all
dom in the Channel Isles was 791, the tonnage of which was land. He coulodrenigotneargsreaet
whole number of steam-vessels belonging to the United King- the benefit to f '
tltses'''. be granted in favour of one party and refused to !
i i he necessary for me to make any observations with respect to
. •
eman has
general subject to which the Right Hon. Gentl 9e 743 and in the seme ear th
leti,'ldd itdONTEAGLE said that he had refus..d to present a i the ~ , , „, y ! ere were eteered inwards sia a right to trade to all our ports, when Prteisinherself was
ttoh ea epxr
tpneeni
pt el
eo fv
ttbht%i• egriap. lee
toot
ptt gs
•-
•titrr wli pr eying to be heard before the Standing Orders' I alluded.— (Cheers. ) I thit-k explanations wholly untrecessary 17,31 e vessels, whose tonnage was 3.234,e00. —Meal', hear.) so jealous et* her own interests as to refuse anything like
htte";ttee. because he thought that if their rules were de- 1 because I think the expressions of her Majesty's Government, Now, he had adduced those few facts to prove thie—that it a reciptocity of the benefits conferred upon her.
to df . ' ' ' d sof the Houte would he ren- of the free. trade measures of the Government., that tin y had not then erigaged in the shipping
was not because the shipowners had fieurished in consequence Mr. WAR BURTON said it was well known that he was
tee r im. este standing el er. . . .
o a distinct difference where the 1 and other expressions used by public men in this and the
*Ott 'Nf d in
tlqies • 1.
esa.
Put th're
w''-
1 dth rule wee ; other House of Parliament, have not been misconstrue petitioned the House to repeal the duties item' timber. Their time had been interested in it. Between le4l and 1842, the
~,cl d inter need did all that in 71tesii as, an e . ,
hUnd St te H h • hink that reesen was because thee believed that the free-trade setim te '
(r ear, eel.. ) Ido not t . . , .
..
...._ • .
~ ,
wi -0n . heteer of Parliament that alte ni e a s.— y- c eepping trade id this country was greatly interested in the tim-
ele 0 she tlutely in te ot .er ou, . . trade. although he at one
übac advanta eyla in e the papeis re- had already done its worst (Protectionist cheers)—and teat b'ir-trade, and ar that period they were not cmitented with having
d t h r t d
",! ile'll %Inch eras requeve oepin ei • r•
throuah a Member I there would be any p g b, y e 1 .
14,it 0 'Use, if in consequence of, his abseiree from town ferred to on the table of the House in the toteent state of ihe iy its more general application to esery other class the injuries a differental duty of 455., they contrived to have the duties so
end. miser oas unahle to be io his plate, the a‘-toutre uni- questior—in the present etate ot the deyeree,„ between this which had been inflicted 00 thein'eltee might he extended to alteref as to glve the advantage to the European trade. At
titeer extended the peri 'd of indulgence in those Cates ; i country and the United States with respect to the Oregon others. It was perfectly true that timber had eheapened by that time the seven-inch deal oas charged at as high a duty as
"e r bea' ) I do not thick that any ad- the measures ef her Majesty's Government. It had been shown tieiber of considerably larger dimensions. In 1842, however,
d- 1 territor . —en a , • .
tile Itlgh not in any other. because it would be a great. har y
''6. 4deod
, 1,1, - if these parties were defeated by a casual acei . , .
"dent vantage would arise ; and therefore it. is not the inten- in a petition which he had the honour of Presenting te that the duty wae reduced, and taking the averagee of the timber
- es deprived any Member of the- power of presenting it. non of her Majesty's Government to make any such nen- Ileum from the Shipewners' Societe of London, that the imPorted some that year, it was found that the colonial timbers
tsseedied their n,rdebnee attention to the very great cafe.. , munications at the presen. t moment. ,At the same time lam amount of duty Paid on timber which hail been used io ship- had not been reduced in value, notwithstanding that tee duty
itt 't whi 4, • lin the cases. He (Lord Monteagle) had Ibo d
un,.. to say, that certain cemmunnatious and certain notes building formed neatly Sive per cent. of the etitire amount on foreign importation was redueed from 455. to 2.55. He
e en, c. existet
e) th "tn present the petition yeoerdey, because the parties I have peesrd between Mr. Buehatiair and Mr. P_ akenham, with toed in this country. He was aware that when he presented feared that the impertation of colonial timbers had increased
It is,' negligence of their agent had committed the fault, but I reepeet to deb claims of the 60,ernment of the United States that petition that it was met by a cheer. The meaning of to the amount of 30, while the foreign had increesed 21 per
thought that cheer be perfectly underetood to have beets this, that the cent ; and in the year 1845 the colonial timbers had increase()
tieellrld be very hard to deprive any subject of the realm. of tee to the Oregon tereitory, ailtheugho Irosuhnoiticaldtiotoositothiat
vhee table of shipowners were not benefited by having the duties on colonial 17 per cent. over that (if foreign timber. But this increase
%%We
tees
gittti Inhge no
nt o
tbne stabiids
tie .q 1 Presenting a petition. because owe of their own body it neceisary to have. laid t tese c m
h • t • b reduced. But be would say that it was a very serious did not apply to one sort of timber alone—it would be found to
tire. tete er,
Wretch negligence or absence from town at the the Eli•use t but as it may perhaps be necessary to aut entice .e timer . fas
ov o umi aabnl
ye toi
ma
pl 1 r
otalmiet inetss.
, t:,,',l° Power of doing so. the, circumstances contained irs them, anti as publicity has coosidetation to the peohpleii of tilers !,
owf
lhaeutdh ei rn t hEenyg waenrue,
tot - ' GREy b' ' tl •fth N ble be given to them—( Laughter)-1 *hall have ne objection to to do injury to persons o i nig ag . •
.. .
.. . , btheihtiwghliliyle
, d saw no o jection to ie motion oe o en e was to view with inoignation tne countey, sn many Tailwao and other constructions as were
ecc)turactri
'le ' tor h•ht th the pa ties petitioning had a perfect lay them on. the table of the House.—(Cries of " No, no. ) and whether this couetry .
niet ~, e teoug at• r brought aboat by the conduct of tho taking plane the Government were to allow them to stand
nit n en it the contract deed was eoed or not, He ceuld IWe have no proposition
.to make to the House, on th.e part proeinet of another war,
i h h • lel of course deprive them still and eo much timber abroad, which • d f h
was reqntre or t e
•Ittlt ie! the smallest objection to the motion, beeause it would iof the Government, with respect to the disputes with the present Government, ant wlc nom , . , . . - . • • e—WHear titer
L-"'.41,0Ae the smallest delay. to the progrees of the Bill. 1 h was fa vital an element in benefit of this country . .
' United Spites relative to that territory, because of a sulacientsupply of timber swaice , , .t t ) Were they to allow
did not hesitate to sa , tnat the colonial timber to. be raned to an exorbitant mice by
Stec'red CAMPBELL did not see t •
hat any degree of blame the negotiatious have net been brought to a canclu • tee commerce of teis coutitty. He y fh hdt ? "
' letede,' imputed to the'Noble Lord beside him. He had been sion, and because it is gene unusual to make such dis- if h. er Majtoty's Gevernment reduced the discrimtnating the continuance o ig n les —( i. ear, hear. ) The Go-
-1• 1 • b th ent had done their duty in pro , • , •
I, twig an alteration of
444-Led with the prestniation of these petitions, and he closures as those required by the Hon. Gentleman until they duties between British and co onta timer, ey vernm
nn he would say th- '
th, "t the co he t ursuing was the proper have bee.n brought to a couclusion.—( Hear, hear.) But as would entail 'an incalculable injury upon this country. this systens, a. _ et the Legislature would be
4e. , was at presen it
`in ete re e turd" ht n bleme could be imputed to the pare these communications have been made public, and as the He (the Hon. Member) had heard, wit .
• h much pleasure, the highly wrong if they were to ()Nese the present meaenre. The
nit. who Wee!)
,a e,
'Oa r(h)e Hill because they had done all in House may wish to knovs• whether they are authentic or not, sentiments of her Majesty's Government, wtth regar .
dto their rise of the trade in American timber mu t b dt d f 't
s e a e rom i s
,i, pen
f.t. or,
.mo ng .
' Si t him ( Lord Campbell) if it is the with of the House, I should have no objection to lay determination to maintein a firm positien with respect ter the Iwo expert:oo%lom t
t Co enhagen le
nefore then there was not a
t4,7w • This applicatton seeme .o u Poin who 'did
t 'tie Juin one and deservine the attention of the House. - them on the tattle. elan na ,
Oregon territory ; but at the same time he believed, that L. the Nore ee •
eceived for their services to th•
ot wear on his breast the
we ee Earl ' TE 'l3-URY, who was very indistinctly - Lord J. RUSSELL said, as far as he was concerned, he measure then before the House were carried into law, they medals r e , .is country.—t Hear,
n
ete. ot SH AF s• 1 nee then, h
not wish for the production of the papers referred to until noght not alone get rid of the Oregon territory, but also make hear. , tel . owever, the tnterests of the Norwe-
ll( was understood to say that the Noble Lord had better did ed up with the tr d
Nue 4"tiee t i the standine order when the petitions -she Rieht. Hon. Baronet coultl state that the nego ia to
dt• ns had a present of the Canadas.—(Hese, hear.) . One would sup . gians were mix. . ae of foreign countries,
le o suspent e , h F
Ily wit ra
re bel h •t t i'd li •t
Id b . 1 - f th t the members of her Majesty's Government were di- and more especia nce, a amen._
ec c sec a pout aw ic i wou e eft ser setts actory or pose a yto great-in her
leseome on in the regular course on Monday. 1 arrnamcntr. With the finest ports i th
n e world on the
"ir Lordships then adjourned till Monday. unsatisfactory to lay them on the table of the House. He,however, rected by a hos; ile feeling towards the colonies, and particw- nava .
eoasts, and so close to the
thought that it should he Jeft to the Right Hon. Geutleman to larly to the valuable colony of Canatla.—( Hear, hear. ) He Norwegian s _ , Baltic, it behoved them
- ld 1
leh ii f.) (ISE OF COM M. OIV S, March 20. produce them when he thought proper, because the public regretted that anti-colonial policy should be pursued by the to to
i nsider before they wou P Ice a b
h d them to condder whether it ann upon their trade—it
e SPEAKER, toek the Chair at a few minutes to Four. eerrice might suffer by their productioir during the continuance Gooernment ; but on that eubject he would not further in- beeove . was a wise policy to allow
become so 1
ell „ „ SECOND READINGS. of negotiazions. 'He wished, however, before he coneluileil, trude on the House. However, he could not sit down without the Norwegians to . .
et c osely connected with France.
et tile "I`"owin Bills were read a second time, and ordered to to refer to another gubject. He wished to ask a question of putting a question io Hon. Members on the Ministerial side Should a war take Place 9 ' w.een this. country and France—not
ts :rotaits'ed :g tire Right Hon. Baronet as to the course which he intended of the House, and he hoped to receive a frank and candid an- that he pi
a oehended any such calamity—but still such was not
Ill:Nile u !en-T I h n robabtli
all uma p ter. w .
to putsue with respect to the corn-lewn They had now been met.. Hie question was this—if they carried the principle unlikely., in . . as it, he would say, a
ne mprovement
\,,rroote ele _ Y ince her Majesty addressed h tage would it wise policy, that a country with so ion
eight weeks assembled s • -er most of free trade out to its full extent, of what advan ~, , . , t a navy, and a country
Nl}tit Irap,"" meious speech front the throne with respect to be to the coloniese—(Hear, hear) He was of opinion that which was Contlnuany tncreasing ner nava; powers, should allow
i, ee , • ovi.ment those laws. The Right Honourable Gentleman, it would be of no advantage at all ; and en that ground he her to have allthe timber trade of the Baltic to herself. If this
itt ' "arbou d Pocks (P 1 mouth)
1,. tri, ...... ran - y after the first statement of his measures, gave, I would give his cordial sspport to the mo:ion of the Noble system was to be con.tinnedt they could not reckon upon the
(7 ish "L'al Road think. a fortnight before any consideration of those meaeures Lerd.—( Hear. i . support of the Norwegian seamen at a time ef war, for their
Zhete", sittl Celt nes, Railwey ( Greenhill Branch) . • ,
ei -.1.'4 hierkete eneuld be broggh: before the House. They had now Mr. CARDWELL laid that llii 1-18tt• Friend -Whe bad sympathies would beewithidanother.power. He again bagged to
11"' Zeattn` engaged threo weeks in a preliminary die- just sat down commenced his observations by recommending be understood tbhuatt h d
dth. ink that they would have re-
Liken -tl Comparry been -- - , that, if thie°t Id th
he introduction of the Bill. Now, it did to the Government a course which he thought was course to war, ,yf , e result would he what he
ve Pot.' Cies end Water fter
cussion a • i.
id epee, ..i •ee much discussiore and that after the much better than that they were adopting —(Hear.) bad stated, namely, I
the oss o the services of some of the most
loons, and Haring ton Waterworn seem to him that aiter
had declared his i • W' d ' ' • • d mer which this •
ntention ith regar to the present measure now before Parliament, expetience sea • country could wish fotat a time
eueatewler ane Leees and Leeds and Bradford Railways Ansel- Right Honourable Gentleman
' h the discussion - from day to (ley, and to the opinion which had been expressed in the petition to of need. He was very glad to find that
!they
-446,1? i to go on wit
..
ter and ;B'outherepttin Railwae. that great and unueeeesary del? had Liken place. which the Hon. Gentleman referred, there was a singular con- were going to restore the trade of Norway by the
I have been the ease, but fliction of opinions. His lion. Friend had referred to a peti- messures Proposed by her Majest ' G t.
y s overnmen
I "Toe c,, 1 HIRD READINGS. He should have thought that that.woo • .
RYieo, '''''",ing Bill, were read a third time and passed, viz.:— he now found that it was his intention flut first day after lion presented to that House some years ago in which it had There were other reasons why the Government of this country
the Corn Bill te propose been stated that their interests would be reined,by the reduction should encourage the trade of Norway. It might be that Nor-
nee ! ''''Y Small Tenements the eecond reading of
keetillt end pe, • . • of the • Bill f
or protection te of the duties under 301. per cent. Now, in the comparison way would, at one time or ether, be engaged in a war against
i i,ington &as the tirst readint ' , f de whifsh had beet ' +•t 1
i ins.i .utet in the measure propsed by his Hon. Russia, or other circumstances might
ele ''„Pttlick Gas if in Ireland. If 0 considered the former measure o SW. arise which it would be
0 • d • d
nillu-derous pet;t; •far f d & ankst various rainy. v ine —• ' b eonsidered that the latter Bill should nen opposite. an that Proposed by the Minister., he had impassible to foresee ; but. under all the ci„emstencee, he
e. t wee. ems in you o ah a- great importance, e
g h t bl
weelne e presented and ordered to he on tea e. not have been brought forward till after the third reading .
only to refer to the difference of popularity between the two would sa, there were many political or mercantile reasens for
- • • ' h v f N
ures (Ch ' d h
eers)—an ,tos ow the respect which was en- , restoring tena y o orway to
Is • aESTER AND SOUTHAMPTON RAILWAY. C Bill . and he was of opinion that by the course meas. . the condition it was in be-
of the orn . , tertained for the measures proposed by her Majesty's Ministers, ' fore the war of 1793. He highly
,itt:tttions • .
. db M M*l 11 It i ined He wished therefere le approved of the Government
in favour of this line were presente y . r. i tier proposed no time wou 1 eea i . ,
t • "n, f i' 0i• • I no) to those proposed by the parte with which his Hou Friend • asure, and would gve e his cordial
hate rom lomat& of 3.000 merchants. traders, and inha- ex„.„, a hope that the RIO Honourah e err emari, i,_ .
I, . , support. .
d I h ' •'
te h I . ' . me
. 3 BORT a WICK s 'cl h
1 in 4 '-')i M 1
st,l4 .2.ne.),ter. rept.es,viog `The-f'''rth of 'l''' Put" t' ' First Lord of lir
1111 ratetit of t' b * . - G W HO e from the ue
. fdor ard he orough ;by Mr. • • P
i corporati
enittlain, on of Southampton; by the same nor..
- 1 .. ' ! the arrangement orig a adhere to 1 groove it time . nt e /*Anion wic sad been presented by Mr. I .
1 reasury, woul . , .s . e ,
._
.._ . . . _ .
p I . and, ae suffi al e concurred with the Hon.
mint ; the shipowners it) 1644, it nal been asserted that in the event , Member oppositethat there were political as well as commereial
-inailY Pr% °see' ' KR to shield the lof the reduetion of the duties Under '441-
discussion had taken eine on t e wet t . . . h
le of tbe timber trade would be per cent. that . reasons for this country keepitig up its connexion with Norway;
transferred from tb but he w uld contend for it that th
"sr from %tweeds of 2,01 X) merchants, bankers, Right Hon. Gentleman from gni charge of undne kr epirtam ;ht, !cr.. 0 9 ere were ream* orally

pE
RIAL PARLIAMENT.
tll.l lIIWSE OF LORDS, March 20
`mat4cELLoa took his seat on the Woolsack at

14tt„i FEVER (IRELAND) BILL.
'Ft '"e tif WELLINGTON
_moved the first reading of
ter (Ireland) Bill.— greed to.'
Earl INSOLVENT DEBTORS' ACT.
;'„,°l RIPON brought in a Bill to alter and amend
t^eCt laws affecting the relief of insolvent debtors. He
40,2;1,1' it be read a first time this day, and a second time
'Y.—Agreed to.
CORN-LAWS.
NikaaZO of RICHMOND presented a petition from Red-
t the rep,al ot the corn-4ws.
Vl.° 11 PRINT WORKS BILL.
rin-iVoct BUCCLEUCH moved the second reading of
lit r..s Bill. In the Act of last session it was stated
Pt'llod for children attending school was limited to
'11: 1,1", r• fhe present alteration corrected what was
error, by making it 30 days in each six months.
'llo41;" Was read a second time and ordered to be committe.
y.

t4,IRD,INFRINGENIENT OF PATENT.
Lirktu'r UGH AM presented a petition from eminent stove
,14i4 4er• in St. Paul's Churchyards complaining that
s"ng were infringing on their rights by copying the
Pots they had eff,cted in their articles ot mann-

mA.ncn

446.

. w_ ...nem; e• e • ies.w.•
strong, if not stronger, for this country hoeping up its con- t &considerable loss to the revenue. Another thing eppeared,
Koll from his Right Hon." wend the First Secretary of th e
nexion with Canada. lie did not think that this should be , that but for this reduction—the increased railway speculations treasury. The shipowners would, in consequence of the high
regarded merely as a shipping question, or as a class question ! leading to increased consumption—but for this reduction be 1 -rate of duty, becompelled to use the Canada timber, as it was
bur as an imperial sidettien New he would call the attention , said the Canadian colonies would neither have suffered in the I particularly applicable to ship-building. It. had been said that
of .he House to the prices of timber in this year and in 1841. 1 price of timb'r, nor in the amount of exportation. His Right 1 the use of the Baltic timber in this country would r •the
and when
tiitlewasasmreed there was
In 1841 the priceof Canadian timber was 4/- la' • and in 1846 Hon. Friend the first Minister oft), Crown appealed tothe trade +Canadian timber trade. Now in the year 1841. when tult:tp
it was the same. The price of European timber in Mil of Liverpool, and drew a compute-1i of the tonnage in 1845 teneve duty in favour of Canadian timber was not less than' Z-irs'''
e amountt o o4fstimtbne timber h inli.roarrtedlBf4r!rn
was 31., and in 18-16 it was the same ; therefore, who gained las compared with his favourite year of 1842. He believed,
by the tariff of 1842? It certainly was not the British con- Ihe said, that. there were 222,001) torts entered inwareo in 1845, t precisely
suiner. On the whole, he felt that be should vote in and only 188,000 tons in 1842; and he appealed to this test in I although it was said that the reduction would cause the de.'
favour of the amendment of the Noble L"ed• the Member for justification of the alteration of the timber duties. Now, hat struction and utter ruin of the shipping interest of this coun-
Gloucester. But lest it might be said that he was actuated by i (Lord George Bentinck) would show the House how correct i try. Now they were told that in pronoling the reduction they
party motives in the vote he should give upon this question, he 1 his Right Hon. Friend was while making these quotations. He i were etoine 'emend the bounds of prudence, and ths:i.
thought it right to offer those few observations in explanation of ! would read from the circular published by Sir. Dempsey, i the Canadian timber trade would be annihilated. He
his reasons for the vote he intended to give. the year 1831. His •
! showing what had been the trade since . :would beg to call the attention of the House
Mr. HENLEY said he did not think that sufficient reason I Right Hon. Friend had the advantage of these figures on his whist he stated what had really been the effects of that reieue:
! side, for they had not yet been laid on the table of the House; ' tiou of duty. In the year 1941, before the reduction of the
had been given to the House by the Government for the pro-
and here he thought the House, and those Hon. Members ; dety—the duty being then 10s. per load—the sum of 430,000!.
posed change. He could not agree with the Hon. Member I
for Kendall, that the loss of revenue by the reduction I who sat around him, had good reason to complain that informs- was produced to the revenue of this country. In the year
on timber last year had been what he had stated. 1 tion had been kept back from them. It was now six, he was . 1843, after the reduction, the amount received by the Govern-.
The very extraordinary demand that had taken place in the 1 not sure that it was not seven, weeks since he had moved for merit was 689.760 e, instead of 4:30,000e In the next year,
railway world, had, no doubt, increased the demand for timber 1 a return of the number of ships entered inward for the last : 1844, it was 71,069/., and in the last year it. was 94,e621.
in a great degree; and in a question of the present kind, lie 1 seven years. That return had not yet been laid before them, ( Hear, hear)- -and the amount of timber that was now intro-
would be disposed to c .nsider that as very material. He i and it was unit. that morning that they had got a return moved 1 duced into this country front Canada had increased 1202. Iter
should say that some of the arguments used by the Right . f'r on the "841 of January. It was sent from the Customs
on , cent. And wisat had become of the Baltic and foreign timber
Hon Secretary of the Treasury required something like offi- I the 14th of March, and they only got it that morning. It ' when Wm ditty was reduced from 535. to 255., being 5-11tlia. ?
cial assurance to bring them forward ; but he forget to tell 1 contained pages full of figures, and yet it ! The duty received in 1841 upon Baltic timber was a little
containedflee, or six, or seven
the House one thing, namely, that the navy estimates were at I hail been printed on the succeeding morning, but. the House 1 above 1,000,000/. In the veer 1843 the aneeurn received was
present between six and seven millions. Every person knew i had not been put in resets-ion of it. From it the Right Hon. ; exactly in proportion to the reduction of the duty—namely,
that the timber required for naval building was rather scarce. 1 Baronet drew his comparison between the years 1342 and 1845, i 5,3,000/. ; but in the my:, subsequent years—in 1844 and.
The shipowners of the country were a highly-protected body, and in the last year it was 47,0001.
and chuckled at the enormous increase in the trade now as ' 1845—it was, 820,000 e ;
which should not be lost sight of. The Right Hon. Baronet, compared with 1842. Why, his own measure, the first great i Under these circumstances he would say that, loosing at the
at the head of the 31inistry had told the H,.use and the revolution which he had introduced in 1842, had thrown the ; experience of the last three years, the House need haws e t
country that he for one coat no longer maintain the principle i whole state of trade into stagnatien. In 1842 the ships em- i fear of the fain-lent of the woful predictions of the Noble
of erotection; the statement-. he made broadly and clearly at 1 ployed in the British American trade were 165, and the ton. . Lord. And what did the House of Lords say in 1820? Ifs
the commencement of the present session ; but it did not un- 1 nage 91,179 ; but if they looked to the year before that, they believed he might sat that that House was most anxious to
frequently happen that persons, in making liberal statements, I would find that, instead of 165 ships, with a tonnage of 91,179, ; protect all sorts of native, or domestic, or colonial interests,
often overshot the mark; and he (the Hon. Member) then 1 there were 318 ships, with a tonnage 174,000.—(Cheers.) The I arid yet they noted that the consequerce of a reduction in the
challenged the Right
.llon. Gentleman to prove that he 1 Right Hon. Baronet, however, did not condescend to notice a ' duties of the timber would be of advantage to the people of
believed in the sincerity of his own statements.—( Hear, i period when the Whigs were in office. Again, let. them look 1 Canada and of tbit country. At tee present moment, the re-
hear.) If he did believe that relaxation or abelition of 1 back as far as the year 1831, and they would find that there j turns which were upon the table of the Hasse chewed that the
duty benefited the community generally why not allow the ' were only two single years that the tonnage was so low as the i Canadian and Baltic timber trade had flourished and
Swedes or Norwegians to convey sugar into this country from Right Hon. Baronet had described it ; but he would take— and 1 increased since the reduction of the duty. But
the Wen Indies? —( Hear. hear.) He felt warmly on the ,he trusted the House and the country would think it fairer— I the Noble Lord hail also said that he objected to
subject for reasons personal to himself ; and he should say that 1 he would take the averages of the three years since the I the present policy of the Government, because the
monturner
as certain as effect followed cau-e so sure would the country,- ! alteration of the timber duties, and compare the progress I would reap tilt benefit, And yet he ( Sir G. Clerk) had shown
by adopting those measures, instead of gaining, be exposed to lof the trade with any annual period before that time. He that since the reduction of the duties the quantity of timber
greater competition —( Hear, hear.) found that the average increase on the last period of three years, that had been imported into this country from
Canada and
31r. HUMP.: should agree in a great measure with the Hon. as compared with the previous three years of 1842, was Lei per Quebec had vastly increased—in fact, that it had doubled.--
Gentleman who preceded him, but he should also complain of i cent. on North American timber. But when he compared the ( Hear, hear,) But notwithttanilire teat great increase in the
the question. He should complain that the duty had not been 1 years 1839, 1840, and 1841, with the yeats 1831, 1832, and supplies, the demand in this country Mr corn had become so
entirely taken off, as he knew no article, after provisions, of ' 1813, which were the first three years in which they had any great that it could be scarcely men —(Hear, hear.) He
more importance to the general community than that of timber. record, he found that the increase in the three first years was would only ask, what would have beeu the effect, not only upon
—( Hear, hear.) What were the circumstances of the ship- 66 per cent. So that it appeared that the Canadian trade was railway speculations, but all those purposes for which timber
owners? They complained that the materials with which they , progressing before the alteration of the duty at a rate still was applied, if the protective system had teeMpersisted in with
built their ships were higher than the materials in foreign 1 faster than it had progressed since, notwithstanding all the as- regard to the importation of foreign timber? if they had kept
markets. By the paper which he held in his hand he per-
I sistance it had derived from railway speculation.—( At up the old system of protection, he was confident that those
ceived that the hull of a British ship cost from 41. to 5/. per ton
this moment the Hon. Member for Sunderland entered the great railway schemes to which the present unusual prosperity
more than that of the foreign built ship ; in fact, the foreigner House.) He was glad to see kis Hon. Friend the Member for of this country was mainly to be attributed, would not have
could build three ships for a sum of money that would only I Sunderland in his place now, for he would bear him been commenced. The 'Hon. Member for Sunderland ( Mr.
build two in England. That was an inconvenience of out that the average amount of timber required for Hudson) would be able to answer for that. It appeared that
which shipowners complained. In 1815, in the Court of Pro- I railways was 5,000,000 cubic feet. He would now no less than
25,100,0001. worth of thribur had been expended
prietors in the East India House, he declared that he wished I turn to the Baltic trade, and he found that the in railroa.:4 within the last few years. Then the Noble Lord
to 'see the English shipping then at the price of 50/. per ton, average importation from the Baltic in the years 1831, 1832, has mid that the effect of the petent measures would be the
reduced to 101. 10t. per ton. He was then regarded as a and 1833 was 21,164 tons, %Melee in the three years immediately lowering of the since of timber in Canada. But the fact would
visionary. He would state a very important fact with re- preceding the reduction of the differential duties, the average be the reverse in consequence of the enormous and
ference to the duties on timber. In the north of Scotland, tonnage of ships laden with Baltic timber had fallen as low as increased demand in this country.—( Hear, hear.)
and the coast of Ireland, the timber for boats was 2001. per 14,442 tons. Baltic timber, therefore, had fallen as low as Within tile last three years, in consequence of
cent. dearer than on the continent, and therefore our boats one-third as compared with Canadian timber, which had in- the increased demand, the price had at leest doubled.
went to sea in a condition that no foreign boat would venture creased to 66 per cent. But now, how had they fared since the He would then ask whether the House need entertain the
out in. The consequence was that many valuable seamen, reduction of the duty ? The average of 14,442 tons had risen slightest apprehension as to the ruin of the Canadian trade in
as well as the fishermen, were drowned. It was in 1845 to 33,792 tons. So that, while under the system of consequence of the present Government measures?—(Hear,
lamentable to find that a large quantity of colonial protection they had fallen off, under the changed duties hear.) The Noble Lord had also stated, that if these measures
the capital of our shipowners was vested in Norwegian I they had increased very nearly to treble their former amount. were passed, it would be impossible, for the shipping interests
- I He thought then that he had shown good cause why the of this country to be able to compete with that of Nor-
and Danish ships. He had heard from one shipowner redid
jog in Lincolnshire, that he was very anxious to build ships in Canadian colonists had reason to be alarmed at the measures of way, Denmark, or the other countries where the shipping in-
England, but the price was too great for him, and he was ne- the Government. He feared they were alarmed.—(Hear, terest formed a principal feature in their commerce.
cessarily compelled to go to the country where ships were hear.) The Canadian mail, received two
days _ ago, But it was pert'. ctly clear, from the evidence of
cheapest. Was this to continue ? The system carried out was filled with intelligence that in the Canadian colonies the most eminent shipowners t f this country, that
by the Right Hon. Baronet said plainly that we would no great i
dissatisfaction prevailed, and that the colonists were al- in consequence of the reduction in the ditties on the timber,
longer have our capital employed in foreign ships, but in ships ready discussing whether it would not be better for them to be the stripowners of this country mild be anle to compete with
of our own building. No country possessed such advantages annexed to the United States of America, The Hon. Member the shipovtners of any other co . It bed also been stated
as England, and no country availed itself of it so little. And for Liskeard shook his head, but that was the information re- by the Noble Lord, that the number of ships had not increased,
what is the result? We heard in every storm, at least every ceived from Canada. They said that if this Government with- at might have been anticipated, in consequence of the increase
now and then, of our fishing-boats going out to the number of I drew its protection ;if they who, only four years ago, offered in 'stipulation, but the total number, at the present moment,
fifty and sixty, and out of that number ten or twelve were them the boon of the Canadian Corn Bill, if they were now to eng.tged in English commerce was upwards of 31,000; and it
swamped before they could reach a place of safety. He be- deprive them of that, as they were depriving the farmers of must also be borne in mind, that the present ships were much
lieved, if the duty were taken off, we could build our ships on their own country of protection—(Great cheering from the pro. more expeditious and capacious than those of former years.
the same footing as the Danes. We had had many proofs of tectionitts)—all the ties that connected them with England The Right Hon. Gentleman then proceeded, amidst loud cries
that effect. Ile believed that there had been laid on the table would be severed. His Hon. Friend doubted the statement of " Divide, divide," to state that, since the passing of the
of the House some documents proving the misery of many of he had made, but let him read the leading article in the Mon- last tariff, ships could be built (on the evidence of the
the artisans of this country, and to what was that owing but tre,el Gaze-tie of the 25th February last. The writer, principal shipbuilders of Liverpool, &c.) at least 30
to the high price of timber. Those documents proved that referring to the measure brought in by the Noble Lord, per cent, cheaper than they cent(' previously.—( Hear.)
many of them, working for twelve hours a day, instead of the Member for London, fifteen years ago, for the abolition of But. notwithstanding these facts, the tonnage of the country
going to a cellar and sleeping in contaminated air, ought. to go, the pocket boroughs, said that an Honourable Member in that increased to a far greater degree than any other country ; and
in order to enable them to continue the work the next day, to House (and he ( Lord G. Bentinck) remembered that that it was, therefore, clear that the mercantile marine had not been
a place where they could breathe the pure atmosphere. It was Member was old John Abel Smith), said that the temerity of injured by the policy of the Government in reducing the duties
by the legislation of this House that these unfortunate men the measure quite took his breath sway. But that measure on timber, but had been greatly inereased. Let them lcok too
were kept in the state they were. At an age when they ought was far more rash than the one introduced by the Noble Lord, the port of London, as being one of the largest ports, and they
to be enabled to cart y out their experience, they were and would take away the breath of the Canadians in would find that in 1841 the home tonnage was 722,000, and
more fit for the workhouse, or premature death. He a much greater degree. The writer went on to say, the foreign was 253,000, being in the proportion of one-third
Mr. Hume) said that every Honourable Member opposing that the majority yet remained in breathless astonishment; to the home; in 1844 the home tonnage was 1,800,000, while
the reduction of the timber duties was dooming hundreds of amazement, consternation and alarm had seized them—not the the foreign tonnage amounted to only 383,000. He thought,
his fellow beings tot ccupy the miserable cellars he had 'Token less so that they were at adistanee from the scene of actien—and therefore, that no injury could erne to the colonial or honest
of. He would now rn to another point, and look to the effect that in all probability the deed would be consummated before shipping by the proposed measure.
on the farmer. Every one who knew the expense attendant their remonstrances could be heard. Would the lion. Members Slr. BULLER thought he had a right to make a few
on farming would know that it was preferable to use the home opposite, after this, taunt them with interposing unnecessary observations, and to ask the indulgence of the House for that
timber instead of the American, Hut the farmers had been t delay to the passing of this measure ? Should they not rather purpose, as he was the only free-trade Member who had not
obliged to have recourse to the Baltic and American timber delay it further, until the remonstrances of their Canadian yet taken part in that discussion. He considered, also, that hers
enable them to make their buildings with some degree of brethren could be heard, and for this purpose only was it that intimate acquaintance with the affairs of Canada, and the
to
stability. If th it House would repeal the duties on timber, such a determined resistance had been offered by the patriotic general interest he had taken in colonial queetions, would war-
they would enable the farmer to carry out his occupation at band around him.—(Cheers, and " Oh, eh.") Knowing the , rant him in malting a few brief remarks on this question. He
less expense and with more lewefit to Himself and the country. feeling of the Colonists, he trusted the House weuld pause be- I was of opinion that the Noble Lord (Bentinek), before
With regard to the manufacturing interest, if they removed fore hurrying on a measure which would create so much alarm Ihe unfurled his union jack—(Laughter) in bold
the duty from timber entirely, they would place our manufac- in the heart; of their Canadian brethren.—( Cheers.) At a 1 defiance should have exhibited more of the prudence
ture on a footing with the whole world. There was no article, time when America was assuming a warlike aspect ; whet) Mr. and discretion of the statesman. He thought that
next to provision, which he thought would be so beneficial as Quincey Adams, in laneuage that he could only characterise as instead of indulging in vituperation of the Members of the
timber if the price were reduced. lie was, therefore, willing Memoirs and blasphemous, quoted the word of mod, fur lighting American Senate and the Royal Family of France, that it,
to vote for the entire repeal of the duty. up the firebrand, and letting loose the dogs of war on Oregon, would have been much better had he used the language of
Lord G. 13ENTINMM said that, in rising to approve of the he did not think that the happiest moment for her Majesty's dignified courtesy, and rather than attempt to lay die, founda-
innendment which was brought forward with so much modesty I Government, by their fiscal changes, to alienate the don of war, that he hail endeavoured to lay the basis of
per-
-so much ability and perspecuity—hy his lion. Friend the affections and loyalty of her Majesty s Canadian subjects. remittent peaceful relations.—(Hear, hear.) This would have
Member for East Gloucestershire, he assured the House that lie, for one, was as anxious as any one that peace should be been the more advisable course for him te. have adopted rather
in the speech with which he commenced the debate he gave maintained with honour. He thought this country could eel than to have been bandying bombast wills the braggarts of the
promise of great future ahility• He ( Lord G. Bentinck) would I afford to repose on her laurels, and need be in no haste to enter American Senate, and justifying the tone of the. poor Mr.
not on Friday last have asked the House to adjourned the de- l into war. But he must say that he would never consent to Adams by using a tone of eongetual bluster.--(Loud cheers. )
eve if he had not thought that the timber duties, mixed cs I obtain peace by a dishonourable sacrifice either of our colonial , When the Noble Lord :aid that ttie policy of the Government
they were with the condition of our colonise, were must impor or domestic industry. He was as willing as any one, if a doubt ' would induce Canada to consider the question of annexatio„
tent. The question wi'h regard to them resolved itseit into should arise about our rights, that the matter eimuld be re- wails America, he pulled out a copy of the _Montreal Pilo in
three different points; first, a condition of the revenue, and the I feared to any umpire, he cared not whom ; and rather than confirmation of that statement. Now, he (Mr. Buller)
relieve ,hat a relaxation of the duty would afford to the people they should wrongfully take anything that did not of right be- would ask, did that paper give vent to the public indignation ?
of this country. Secondly, it resolved itself into the question long to them, where a doubt existed, he would willingly con- It raid that it was of such great importance, and involved
as to how far we should continue to maintain protection in our cede to the American States. But if all honourable, peaceful such mighty consequences, that it would take a week to think
colonies ; and, thirdly, into the consideration whether or not I means should fail, they would humbly, but firmly, Place their of it.—( Laughter. ) During the last twenty years, he thought
they should continue to maintain their maritime importance— faith in the all-powerful God of Battles, anti they would he might safely say that the Goverment of Canada had not
(Hear, hear, and loud cheers)—by injuring that port:on of address the. Americans, not in the language of Scrip- given a single office away. But those who were opposed to
trade which gave the IA ide,t and greatest employment to British tore, Init in the language of British thunder, from the appointment cried out that they would endeavour to rid
seamen. Many return,,, and many statements of figures, the broadside of a line-of-battle ship.—(Cheers.) Firm themselves of British connexion. He contended that the Gott
had been laid before that 1-louse by her Majesty's Ministers in the justice of their cause, when the last resources of peace vennwnt hai pursued a course of policy in refer.
at different times; and at other times those statements had failed, fearing no human enemies, they would send their enee to Canada which was dictated by the Lest
emanated from the Board of Trade. He would commence by British seamen to America, to speak in a language not to be and most statesmanlike principles; and the circumstances of
showing how little dependence was to be placed on a super- misunderstood. His Noble Friend (the Member for Glouces- their sending out there such men as Sir Charles magoe and
ficial observation of the figures returned by the Board of tershire) had correctly stated the number of British seamen Lord Metcalf proved that they were desirous of comenting the
Trade. A lamented telative of his once said that the last employed in the Baltic trade. Out of 32,000 seamen em- relationship of it with this country by the strongest possible
thing to which he paid any attention, and on which he placed ployed, only 6,000 were British, and the remaining 26,000 ties. That policy had done more to establish good feeling and
any reliance, was a statement of figures and facts that were were Prussian, Danish, Norwegian, and Russian. From the contentment than all the monopoly of their restrictive system.
made in that. House, and that was more especially observable register of shipping, he found that in 1820 the British stepping The Noble Lord said that all Canada was roused with feelings
in the returns of shipping ;then made by the Board of Trade. amounted to 2,648,593 tons. In 1844 it had risen at war time of the strongest indignation against the present measure, mot.
To show how difficult it was to rely on any superficial obterva- to 3,637,231 tons, showing an increase of 953,636, or about he (Mr. Buller) must say, that if that were the case, it was
tie. of the returns of the Board of Trade, it was only neces- 37 per cent. But in the meantime the populatioa had in- the most stupid indignation any country had ever entertained.
sary to refer to the statement made by Mr. Porter in his work, creased 39 per cent. He wanted, therefore, to know what (Lorsl George Bentinck intimated that it was the corn question
with reference to the trade in 1841. In one page of that cause there was for boasting of the prosperity of the shipping they found fault with). Where, he would ask, did all the
voluminous document, the return given is that the total inara- interest, when the shipping interest could not keep pace with timber come from ? It came from East Canada, with the cx-
time force of steam-vessels amounted to 1,71)0 ships, with a ton• the increase in the population. What bad been the position of ception of a small portion of West Carada, on the banks of the
nage of 3,3:10,000 tons. The number of steam-vessels we the foreign trade .In 1832 the foreign shipping was Ottawa. The province of West Canada had no interest whatever
possess, instead of being 1,700, was upwards of 791, and 661,047 tons inwards. In 1842 it had increased to 1,753,745 tont. in the timber duties. In a dispatch of Lord Sydenham when
the average of their tonntge was only 95,307, though From 1820 to 1844 the American shipping had increased from the question was formerly agitated, he stated that not a single
it had been swelled to the enormous amount 1,280,062 to 2,280,095 tons. He found by returns that in the foul living in East Canada had any interest whatever in it.
stated. The result of such a return as this would be, that three years succeeding 1842, the foreign trade with this country These were the indications of the indignation, which accord-
if a sloop measured only fifty tons, and manned be only two had increased by 405,555 tons, while our own British trade had ing to the Noble Lord was so universally entertained. When the
men and a boy, were to make two trips in a month to Ostend, I only increased 212,000, and where the number of foreign alteration was proposed at that time, petitions came from vari-
making in the whole year twenty-four trips, that sloop, of sailors engaged in the trade had increased 1,100 the number of ous parties he admitted, but none from the Parliament of
which the wages would be abort 741 per annum, would be British sailors had only increased 741. Going back to 1759, Upper Canada. The Parliament of Canada, East or Lower
placed on a par with a British Indisman of 700 tons. A re- when the United States of America was a Brent] colony, and Canada, sent out a petition, and said that they were ready tokive
t. rn was placed on the table of the House that morning, its population numbered no more than
2,000,000. The num- up the monopoly of the timber trade provided this country
showing the number of ships engaged in the trade of this ber of ships engaged in that trade was 1,078,
while the number gave them a tree trade in corn. Such was the universal (Ti-
country. From this it appeared, that the number of ships of British ships was 28,900. At the present day, and after a lapse don entertained in that country on this question. The shipping
employed in the guano trade was 656, which brought into the of 76 year, he found that the number of British seamen trade of Canada Wag a system which reflected scandal noon
country cargoes annually to the amount of 1,600,000 tons. In engaged in the trade did not exceed 25,000, while the popula- them.
They see. out a parcel of old leaky vessels, and they
this trade alone there were employed 11,500 seamen, receiv- tion of the States had increased from 2,000,000 to 22,000,000. manned them with a set of disorderly runaways. What we.
ing in wages 200,000/, Now let them compare this trade with Ho thought these facts were sufficiently conclusive to the effect of this mode of procedure? Did the
nice-
the steam ships of the country, which had been referred to. , show that they ought not to legislate for a colony chants prosper? There never had been se many h
The latter were in number but 791, with a tonnage of 95,736. 1 without giving that "lone an olie"rtunity for ex Pressing rupteies as had occurred in New Brunswioie '"tk-
There was, therefore, no comparison between a trade which lan opinion on the matter—without waiting to hear what was Lower Canada under the Operation of this y e4nd
employed but 5,000 or 6,000 seamen, like the steam-trade, 1 the opinion of Canada. The Government were now forcing There could be no doubt of it that the interests oftthestisntitmed
with a trade like the guano, that employed 11,500. Such I through a measure which the colonists themselves viewed with States would be cared for, and that th
was the value of the guano-trade its comparison with this other I alarm and consternation, anti which theymeld very easily find a
thought, after the permanent market for their timbery elsewhere. But the
most important branch of their maritime navy. He would Canada Corn Bill was passed, a breach of faith on the part. of Government should protect the people of England by allowing
now proceed to the subject of price. A great deal had been I this country,—( Hear, hear.) Now, the Hon. Gentleman the Baltic timber to come in upon the P-
..oposed terms, and let the
said on the benefit to the consumer that would arise 1 Member for Kendal, has stated as a fact what the Hon. Gen- Canada timber find its maaket in the United States.—( Hear,
from the reduction of the duty on timber, and i tleman must have meant for a poetical metaphor—namely, hear.) He looked upon Meg as a question of the greatest
how their American colonies would be benefited by there was scarce a Norwegian sailor who did net wear a importance to the people of this country, inasmuch as the
the alteration in the differential duties. A great deal had ; medal recording the actions and victories in which dwelling of eyelet man in the country would be affected by it.
been said about the benefits of the alteration in 1842. He 1 they had been engaged on behalf of the British or, in other words, would be affected by the vote which
minwreofneereneeto
had examined into the question, and would submit his results nation. Now, that was the first time he had this House should come to to-night. He had heard a great
to the House. His authority on the Baltic timber was the ever heard of sailors, who had been engaged in British naval Heal said about Canadian corn, which, he should say, he
house of Messrs. Radcliffe and Co., of Liverpool, and the figures contests, receiving medals to commemorate the victory over a looked upon a a
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wr ahoartd i nhaardy ;beaennd
shaeid
wet e derived from a branch of that House in Elsinore. It was foreign foe, and he thought be need not go out of the House Member opposite blushing high at the mere mention of Moll
stated that the price of yellow pine in 1839, was 9d. a foot. In to prove his assertion. His Right Hon. and Learned (and he (Laughter. )
1840 it was 9ed., being an average on the two years of 9ed. might add Gallant) Friend the Attorney-General, lie believed,
tChaantatdhaewpaescripaiteheorftoLmniatflha ofw oaugledoddi:havinogw, andit h(eHfeelatr.a)ssurHede
and " Divide, divide.")
per Mon Timing 1842, the year of which they heard so assisted in accomplishing one of those glorious victories, but he
ewasheuhrareeathre; e appeared to be—
much from her Majesty's Government, what was the result? (Lord G. Bentinck) heti never seen any medal or mark of begged to thank the House for the patience with which it had
Why, that which in 1539 and 184t1 cost on an average 9id. a naval distinction on the part of his Learned Friend ; and he heaThdehiro..—se((i'ireinesdf " Hear,
For the Alinisttetrdaeldn
few was reduced to ;ed. ( Hear, hear.) Inlet was the whole must say, if medals had been granted to the Norwegian
extent of the reduction. The price of yellow pine in the same sailors, his Honourable and Learned Friend had bee. 232
year, 1842, was 41d., while the previous year it was 41d., ereatly ill used by the Government.—(Hear, hear.)
The For the amendment
Majority for Ministers
sleeting that the 'eduction had been itd.—( Hear, hear.) , RAJA Honourable Baronet at the head of her Majesty's ----123
That was the only difference in the two periods. The re- I Government might treatthearguments of his (the Noble Lord's) TURNPIKE ROADS (SCOTLAND) BILL.
duction had been from 134 per cent. on the one and ten per I party with contempt, and endeavour to cast ridicule upon Mr. FOX MAULE moved the second reading of the Turn
not prepared, at that late hourt ofe
cent. ini the other.—( Hear.) With regard to Baltic timber, he those who hoisted the flag of protection, but he for one should pike Roads (Scotland) Bill, and said that it would be a mei:
Hear, hear.)
could refer to a pamphlet published by an eminent Member never be ashamed to represent the shipowners of England,.nor sure which would be attended with great benefit to that-
formerly a Member of the Cabinet, written to show the bone- should he ever be ashamed to fight under the flag of protection. country eporuihnetirpyie(aosf wtheeußnadie,rhsteoowdash
firs that were likely to flow from the alteration in the differen- Let the Right Hon. Baronet get up and answer it, but liede- Mr. F. Mt-KENZIE said, that though not opposed to h
—o(ejectlon was not taken
ti •l duties. The writer said, at the time he wrote, that the fled the Right Hon. Baronet to answer the figures which
change had not been long enough in operation to show the had put the House in pofissehstionunodfe,r thtehreepflreagheostaidprtohtaetettihoeny, thersfuri.gFht.,z,tioAguo
LinEtosatasteecdotnhdartcaadaing.
benefits, but that they would be shown in about a twelvemonth were not ashamed to
English
the le •
gentlemen to
afterwards. He stated that Danfzic and Memel timber in and they called upon remember that to the notice, he saw no reason why it should not then be read
othne'igthhitratygayineacroemweatro, a ssecior.ndsGtimGeThr—(allesoeahmehpeeden)
January, 1842, was 6/. 12s, 6d. In
,January, 1845, the. duty what oczeutrrtehdei,:vree-Z-t3sevrentatydeaurrsinagg
had been reduced 30s. per load. Now what was the price in pus. .
Europe and the world never saw equalled, when rending at that la
and . g they would not go into the second
the latter year? It averaged from 4'. 17s. to 41. 10s., and it which
b • the sold' of F lase hour.—( Hear, hear.)
was reduced at the lowest to 41. t3i. 9d., so that, comparing the Europe was invaded y wry . trance—when the lands Sir H. CAMPBELL was decidedly
pricethe Nobles ofGermany and Russia
tit 1845 with that of 1842, the reduction was 11. 3s. 3d.— of
inhabitants were laid waste, and ciple of the Bill, and would, opposed to the prin.
the of Russia preferred therefore, oppose the second read-
( Hear. hear.) Now he (Lord G. Bentinek ) would supply the when_.committing their ing.—( Hear, hear.)
of Moscow to the flames rather
price of 1846. According to Prince's Price Current, from capital than it should fall into Mr. FORBES and Mr. H. 1
for the hands of the enemy—they the g ntl . -OHNSTONE both hoped that
eft ich he quoted, the price in January, 1e46, of timber e emen of England were second reading would not be then into, the
Dantzic and ',Memel in the port of London, varied
.sendthem '
from enabled to
41 10s. to 5 Hear, hear.) Showing that
.though
their country at home, while their trade, their corn- division. divide," the House was cleared for a
the duty had been re lured 30s. per load, the price
to merce, their industry was protected. Some Honourable On our re-admission there appeared—
the consumer was reduced but 10s. 6d. ; the rest of the 30s. Gentlemen, however, now preferred relying on the flags of Rus- For the s
Cheers from the tia the tri-eolour of Fran e o the thirteer. standing of Americ second reading
went into the pocket of the foreign grower.—(
this , , .., c., r a, Against it
protection benches,) Mr. Gladstone, not content with but he and his Honourable Friends preferred by and '
' nol to make out his ease. In 1841, he says, that fighting their battles under the simple, the old, and the thine- Majority... ..
goes to Liver'
of Le sic and Memel timber was from 26ed. to 27d. worn Union Jack, and he called upon the House still to defend Mr. CHARLES BULLER moved for a return of the
the prices an
foot In 1842 it was 25d., while •. in 1845 it was 20ed. ; that weather-beaten flag, and support the amendment of his outrages specially reported to the constabulary office in Ireland.
per .compared with
showine, that the redaction of 1845, asy lBl6, Noble Friend.—( Cheers. ) during each of the years 1842, 1,543, 1844, and 1845 ; and also
was 6eil. per foot, which was equal to 2i s. Id. per load. 1842, Sir G. CLERK said, that at the late hour of the night it w an abstract return of total number of persons in Ireland ape
as compared with 1845, slowed a reduction of 3ed. per foot, or not his intention to trespac upon the attention of the House as
eering, by the return; of the clerks of the Crown and clerks
19s. 10d. per load. In 1841, the foreign producer put 2s. ltd. (Hear, hear.) In the few observation which he deemed it his of the peace of the several counties, &c. to have been com-
et his pocket.—(Hear, bear.) In Liverpool, during the be- duty tom ake, he should endeavour to confine himself strictlyS nutted for trial in the year 1845, as well as of those eon-
ginning of the present year, the average price was 23d. to 24d. to the qstion before the House, which he believed was thii victed, acquitted, discharged for no Bill found, or no prose-
In giving Mr. Gladstone the benefit of his year after the new —whether they were prepared to redtce the price of cution, or bailed and not tried ; distinguishing the various
a raw
duties came iuto operation, and comparing 1846 with 1841, the material, which was eminently conducive to the comfort of offences.
reduction in price had only been 13s. 6d. per load, or 3ed. per every individual in this country, 35 per cent. ? The Noble Mr. CALEB POWELL moved for a return of all the out-
foot ; and compared with 1542, the reduction Lord who had just sat down, had stated that he rages charged as having been committed on the barony of
was opposed toI
had been but ss. 24d. per load. This showed the reduction of the present duties upon foreign timber on three Ossory from the Ist of January, 1845, to the termination of
that out of the 30s. reduction in duty the foreign grounds—one ground was the revenue, the other the necessity tne last assizes. He thought that it was hardly neoessary to
producer had pocketed 245. 9el.—(Loud cheers from the Con- of protection to the colonies, and the' third the maintenance explain to the House his object in making this motion.
servative benches.) The trade with Canada had increased, of the shipping interest. The Noble Lord had disputed the Sir J. GRAHAM said that he wished to say a few words
not because the duty had been reduced, but on account of the ; first ground with a very few remarks. The with regard to what had fallen from the Hon. Member for
great extension of the railway system. The continuation of I Honourable Member for Oxfordshire had objected, Liskeard. He believed that the constabulary returns hid
railways had led to a great demand for timber, and this had in reply to the arguments of his Right Hon. Friend the Chan- no occasion for the return moved for by the Honourable
given an immens i impetus to this department of foreign trade. 'cellar of the Exchequer, that it was necessary for the pro- Member. He was most desirous that every information the
House could desire with reference to subjects that should be
Such was set forth in the printed circular, printed in Liver- li tection of the revenue that no such reduction as from 255. to
pre furtherance of that object he reserved to himself the rlgitt
sented before that House should be obtained. For
pool, on this •subect.—( Hear, hear.) The great demand 1 159.. per load should be sanctioned? Why, if those were the th
for timber was there attributed to the great num- 1 arguments of Hon. Members, what became of all the speeches e
ber of railway Bills that had passed the Legislature. 1 that had beets made with respect to the great injury which of presenting information in addition to that sought by the gen.
He did net see the Hon. Member for Sunderland in his place, would be done to the Canadian trade, and that of this countr . Member. With reference to the motion of the on. Wernher.
in addition to tire one of %hint notice had been given, he was
or he would have appealed to him with confidence whether on the passing of the measures? He thought that they couid
a foot the less would be purchased fir railway purposes if the not be alarmed, if that were so, at the immense quantity of tim- not aware whether
any question.
from whether the particular information soueut could be
duty had remained the same? fle knew well what his answer her which they said would destroy and annihilate the whole of Mr obtain
C. .
BULLER said that his object in raising
would have been. He would have declared to the Hesse that, the shipping and navigation interests of this country.—(Hear, the question
wouldas far as the increased consumption of timber went, that in- hear.) He thought that the Canadian timber that would weilthat he might save trouble by doing so.
The remaining orders of the day were
crease arose from railway speculation alone, and not from the the House adjourned at One o'clock. come into this country under the proposed measures would be 'then disposed of , end
reduction of duty, That reduction of duty necessarily inferred considerably increased, because he entirely Teed with whet
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