The Sun.
London, England, 1848-04-08 00:00:00

fChartista would not be pr., venter!, and it was taking thsm
by surprise to prevent ,fo.in now at the eleventh hoar.
iI It w -.s not their int- tit ii t., Coln., to the d or of :tie
House ot Coitus:ohs, bat to tn:ls.; over I,Vestinitister-bridge.
Ail :he infhence that h, e 'old exert iviiul-i be etup:oyed
C' pi eserve the peace. lie aole,nnly declared his con-
viction that it the p- ople ha,l bet u told lit Liu], that
the meeting w.turd b., soppres,ed they would not assem-
ble, but ines it was 0,0 late, and many of them could
not be prevented coming. He recollected the time wiiea
without
ew
representation
who were
w
rnowin_; tyranny, office
tdnecnlyf andare et :gt
dthattat to sxatiin
be
resisted; and it was hard that the schoolmasters should
now coerce and flog their pupils for learning too well
the instruction which they themselves had given.—
(Hear, hear.) lie would not shrink from the responsi-
bility thrown upon him. lie was not the man to sneak
out of his determination. It was his intention to attend
the meeting—to come down to Westminster with the
procession. It was not for the Noble Lord and the
Right lion. Gentleman the Member 'for Harwich (Sir
J. C. Hobhouse), from whom they hsti learned his his
On, to come down at the eleventh hour, when every
preparation was made for this meeting, arid say that
they intended to suppress it. He believed in his soul
and conscience that those who were to take part in that
meeting had no more notion of disturbing the public
peace than he had—(Laughter)—and he had no notion
of disturbing it.—(llear, hear.) lie had been told by
the lion. Alderman below him that he would be the
first to be shot on Monday if he came to the procession.
However that might be, he should hold it his duty to be
with the people, and to take the lion's share ot the
,langer.—( Hear, hear.) rue Right Hon. Baronet had
no right to presume that those who gut up this demon-
-oration—and he was: not one of them—did7o welsh
oh.)
Sir view of cotninitting au in,i-action of the peae,.....
Sir J. GRAHAM sail th it the Honourable Gentle-
:llan nod truly said that precedent had a gr..st deal to do
with the present question. But whit hats taken place in
1543, when lie wa- Secretary :or the Hume Depaitment,
'offered in two points ft in the present case. In tile first
place, the petition of 1843 did not emanate frous a meet-
ing publicly convened in the nsighbourhood of the me
tropolis, and under the circumstances which the Right
lionourabie Gentleman opposite said would attend the
meeting to be held on Monday next. The petition of
1843 was brought from a private house, and not from a
public meeting.
Mr. O'CONNOR—It was brought from Lincoln's Inn-
fields.
Sir J. GRALIAM said he was speaking from recol-
lection; but besides, there was no notice previously given
that a procession would come to this House from the
place where the meeting was held. If that procession
vas attended with circumstances like the present he cer-
ainly should have failed in his duty—being responsible
-or the peace of the metropolis—it he had consented to
dlow a meeting to be held such as that of which notice
was given tor Monday, and which the Right Honourable
;:entletr.an d, dared 10 ly, ille..al its its character. He
sl not think such a ins• ring ought to be could, nanced,
Mr. HOUSMAN tho,ig the Hoes-- wiinfd ~,es in en
siiist anti u gellerolls manner it they did n 4 give
very assis,auce to those who were rispoilsitile fir tie
-,-,sace of the country on the pressut occasion. The)
should form their opinion of the propriety of the meet-
ing from its character and not from the objects to be
discussed or the numbers who attended it. It could n.,t
le doubted that great apprehensions were entertained
!rum this meeting, and for the sake of those whe enter-
ained those apprehensions, and for the preservation of
he public peace, he was prepared to place implicit con-
fidence in the Government.—(Hear.)
Mr. Alderman TLIOMI'SON said he was glad that
he had given way to the Honourable Gentleman who
had just spoken, because he believed his sentiments were
chose of every Member of that House.—(Hear, hear, and
N'o, no.) He was not the person who said that if the
Honourable Member for Nottingham appeared in the
procession certain consequences would folloW.-(Litugh-
ter.) But he was surprised that the Hon. Gentlethan
hould say that he had no part in getting up the pro-
:!ession which was to take place on Monday next.
lie begged to ask the Hon. Nlendaer for Nottingham,
wheth, r he hail not attended a meeting in a certain
%dress house in Cripplegate,iand whether he had not made
use of the following langiwe there ?—(Hear, hear, and
Ties of " Read, read.") The Hon. Gentleman here read
t report of a speech alleged to have been delivered by
the [lon. Member for Nottingham, in which he said that
:here VIM no use in petitioning the House of Commons
any longer; that they must do what America had done,
'hake off the yoke. It was better to die by the sword
than live in slavery. 'The people of Ireland would not
he sstisfied with repeal, hut would have a republic. He
implored of them to remember the 10th of April, and
-poke of it as a glorious day. His moral force would put
down physical force. They must do away with all titles
as they did in France, and put down royalty, as too ex-
pensive to the country. That was the report of the
!lon. Gentleman's speech, which had been put into his
hands by a respectable solicitor, and it formed a great
contrast to the larguage which the Hon. Gentleman used
in that House.—(Cheers.)
Mr. O'CONNOR declared solemnly- that the report
which the House had just heard was not what he had
said. Ile never was a Republican. And he wrote
article after article against that form of government.
So help him God he never mentioned a word about doing
away with titles. He bad before declared in that House
, hat he was not for a repeal of the union, but for aepara
ti n. He (lid not think be said a word about France. He
would produce witnesses to show that he had no:. used
he language imputed to him, and he could not have
lone SO b,Cause the sentiments it contained wt re not his.
It such opinions as those referred to by the lion. Mem-
ber had been entertained by him, he should not have
hesitated to av,,w them in that place, but the fact was
'here was not Inc scimi,la of truth in the statement,
Filet he had made the speech which had been read to the
Rouse.

1 Mr. HUME said that it was of the utmost import-
enc. ter the House not to allow its atteritien tai be di
ierted towards what t,ok place at meetings held out of
leers, fur they were all aware how liable suede proceed-
e•gs were to misrepresentation, and how often they had
been distorted to suit pertieuiar purposes when ..cession
required, The Hon. Member for Westmoreland, before
made such a statement as that which he had just
I.me, sheult have obtained a report of the speech attri-
buted to the Hun. Member for Nottingham from a short.
-and writer. He did not deny that speeches had been
ibeivered at pablic m etings calculated to create greet
inxi,ty, and urging the people to ceramic acts of vi
;race; but such r• ports as that of the Honeurabl-
Alderman eueht to be received with great caution.
They were all aware of the frequent resorts which had
,eeti had to spies by the Government authorities, who
were as capable now as they had proved themselves for-
inerty to be, poisoning the minds of the people and of
leading them astray. He recollected having himself
arrested a spy who had gone to create disaffection in
the manufacturing districts, and who carried wi h him
for that put pese a number of seditious bills, with the
view of placardteg them about those towns. The Ii in
Nlember for Lambeth went with him in order to seize
this man ; but Lord Sidrnouth dismissed him, instead of
ordering him to he detained and called to account for
his conduct. He was only the third spy he had been
accessory to taking. —(A laugh.) He regretted to see
the House treatirg the subject with hilarity. That
showed they were ignorant of what was going on in the
country. There had been a time when the Ministers of
the Crowe had not hesitated to employ spies, who first
seduced the people into acts of violence, and then be-
trayed their dupes to the gallows. The employment of
those spies, and the printing of the placards which they
carried about with them, were distinctly traced to the Go-
vernment. When they saw men out of work and starv-
ing in the streets, could it be otherwise than abhorrent to
know that the Government spies were poisoning their
minds and inciting them to commit acts of violence?--
(Oh.) He was speaking of what had formerly taken
plaee, not of the co ,duct of the present Ministers. If
he had not confidence in them ho would not sit where
he did; he would move to the other side, for he should
net think it safe to he eo near them it he thought they
did not despise such conduct. If so great a falsehood
had been put ott upon the lion Alderman as that which
he hail read for the speech of the Eel. Member for
Nottingham, there ought, fur the satisfaction of the
House and the country, to be some examination in-
stituted into the circumstances. At all events Members
ought to be more guarded in receiving and repeating
such statements. The Government ought in particular
to be very reserved in acting upon Ray information save
that which they procured upon affidavit.
Sir I). L. EVANS had never yet been found on the
side of those who would restrict the public meetings of
the people, but he was bound to say on the pert of his
constituents, the inhabitants of Westminster, that there
.vere circumstances which rendered the contemplated
procession of .slonday a p culiar case. For 18 years he
had c,iuntenaticed many public processions and meetings,
but there were some peculiarities which deserved mention,
;tamely, that it was only a short ti ..e ago that two meet
mg. hail been held, both of a most contemptible charac
ter, and particularly so as compared with the proposed
meeting, but still it was his duty to state that, notwith
standing that contempt, those meetings had created con.
siderable alarm.—(Hear, hear.) He could assure the
House that net only had there been great alarm created
at those comparatively small meetings, but also that
numbers of his constituents had suffered materially in
their husiness.—(Hear, hear.) l'heretore, he conceived
it to be his duty to entreat the Government to have some
regard for his own immediate constituents, and if the
Hon. Member for Nottingham persisted in his present
detertninatien, he begged to inform him that it was very
much to be wished he would direct his columns else-
where than into Westminster. Fur even if there were
110 disturber:cc.. there would be a great interruption to
business, occasioning farther loss to tradesmen, who
were not able to sustain their present adverse eircute-
atances. lie coat:erred with . the Hon. Member for
Cockermou,h, that the circumstances of the times, both
.towestie anti foreign, were unprecedented. and that the
hour W 44 coins when every in .n—every boners man-
- (Cheers)—. very man not destitute of courage and sin-
cerity, and more especially every lineral man, Was bound
to declare neat side he e,as prepared to take. In that
spirit he was prepared to state that he gave his willing
assent to the measures adopted by the Government.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL said that the lion. Member for
Nottingham had just declared that he had never joined
a society for repeal, but had been a member of an
association for effecting a separation between Ireland
and England. lie begged to ask the Hon. Member how
it was that he had formerly been enrolled as a repealer,
and accepted by the society as such, and in that capacity
alone ? He hoped that those of his unhappy country-
men who had been led away by the Hon. Member, and
particularlyo thosenonmonda who
y,idcktnatkeernplivaartd j
warning
geing the
froinmhisdepoerla--
cession
of that eight, and determine to act as their kits-
men in Ireland had done, namely, not to have anything
to do with the Hen. Member.—(Cheers.)
Mr. F. O'CONNOR rose to correct a mistake com-
etppusite. He never did
emnirtoteldhibmy hsetlfe io'
aslaninen3Mmbeer broefa Repeal As.loolation._ He