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atoeit. Faker decided open giving the preference to Mr. pie was injurious to the franchise, or could in any degree be
• Mr. me interfered with by the House. The Hon. Member for War-
deesg , 'nRAELI said, that his name had been intro- wickehire had densunced this system of creating votes, and yet,
grieeeee',4,:° the discussion as an interested reviver of old at Old Bond-street or at. Willis's Rooms, he had assisted in
similar ki•nd 6 allega'i,na in the debate were of a Passing' a resolution by which the protectionists declared that
his
by tile ~,to that
be ht d made aeli's) watch had been preferred against they would fight the Anti-Corn-law League with their own
!us NI% eiynsr:urable Member for Bath. In the course of weapons ; and this he did while making a speech for doing
smile for observations the other night, things whit he was prepared to say the League had never
Be a reply
. 'some remarks which it se as not worth done at all. The Hon. Member for Knaresbo:ough, with his
end ecee r hit.° now to refer to. These remarks had usual indiscretion, hail a.ade an erroneous statement with re-
from the Hon. Member for Durham (Mr.
Prright) whites ference to the West Riding of Yorkshire ; and he could tell
evious). went to show that the difference which had
bead of
the existed
between the Right Hon. Gentleman at time the Hon. Member, if he would go to the proper officers who
(kr, eo, ,`"e Government and the Hon. Member for Stockport looked after the registration in the West Riding for both
loft' setasclen a I, d
to r • a been perfectly made up. But he would parties, he would find that, in the very last year, the monopo-
lists made a larger number of objections to free traders than
et p °mind the Hou e, that immediately before the meeting the free traders did to the monopolists. That he stated as a
11. 71itrant, that. Hon. Member had stated that no commu-
,;ra•lon could
7,:l'orGthee; possibly take place between him and the Right fact. Why, he, had often been brought himself from Scot-
No f ntiensan at the head of the Ministry. Now he must
tiaateof revibeeingefind and Northumberland to maintain his vote, and
he was confident a [setter vote could not Ise
to •
remind the House that when these allege- found in the borough of Rochdale. The Right
spat soly
usa, old grievances had been alleged against him, Hon. Baronet some ten years ago, recommended the protee-
tena's of the debatthee, and he would beg to say that: he had re- knew from the exclamation of the Ilonourable Member for
llst—ed the Ri
s.stiont
tont° Hon. Gentleman in a very crowded House , Shrewsbury, of " How we did register?" the manner in which
"4 beet, ," " explanation, at least sufficiently satisfactory, , the protectionists did follow that advice. They knew how the
. sir It Tram., to the Hon. Member for Stockport. ! protectionists subscribed their money for the purpose, and he
stii rt,t L read the words which he used three years ! was not ashamed to admit that they were subscribing
.money
'sated e repeated •
* that the reparation he then made was not suffieient, he ,
' had been made out of one holding. Why, he knew a case
elt, eve at once taken the opportunity of making a fuller i where, on the estate of a Noble Duke in Scotland, as many as
f. W
hi (141 re into th
kin , • ELLIS hoped
that a Committee would be appointed
, nineteen votes had been made for one place in that country.
Now, this was nothing, so long as Gentlemen on the oppisite
s %elf less e existing system of objecting to voters. He had : benches were prepared to act upon the principles of the Regis-
ot.e thn,e;,Stear been objected to, although he had enjoyed the I tration Act. But now the tables were turned—their game
141•001 aik passing of the Reform Bill. i was up—they were no longer strong—they were now a broken
esre p JON thought it was absurd that a man should 1 Party. The principle which they formerly advocated had now
?Mt, l'e aped to .
itlt e.t his fra be at his house at a certain time every year to turned against them, and now they were desirous of obtaining
al 'ematioo "'chive He had no doubt that the result of an another form. .He would tell them that they had simply adopted
on the subject would lead to the greatest benefits the same principle, and that they wood make use 'gall the forms
ass laps °n
oft. r, LA y;lzulati -
ng the registration of voters. —( Hear. ) which the House allowed '.hem, wi.h the view of carrying the
soibe Tsees„, SON seid he rose to congratulate the Fret Lord ab•mli ion of
.the. corn-laws. The Anti-Corn-law League had
4 lila seae,SaY for his maintaining the same opinion that ev- made up their minds—they had decided on this point, and they
toted
eat ne hal maintained on the evening previous. Anil were determine.l to carry the matter through the agency of
mat on other
honest. elections. He thought that. the system of votes beimag
aseriest)l,‘ occasions be would pursue the same
the that the Question, question.") He was very glad ()ejected to, was one ao likely to answer the purpose of one
keintee a Right Him. Baronet had no connexion with party as the ether. They had nothing to gain by untruth.
Voinit taelra-law League. But, from what they had seen, Public opinion was in their favour, arid the question simply
17a te ateasaalesrurse of the session it was quite excue that the was, whether they should proceed in the course which they had
e.eon'eneezi for Warwick should have believed that he had a !opted,
.er whether they should forbear ? Hon. Gentlemen
1,411eg f, °'s with that body , for, when they saw him would quite understand his views, but he might say ties, that
"ta tliffieurir'd measures proposed by the League, it was the law which Gentlemen on the opposite side of the House ad-
atesstiones to arrive at any other conclusion—(Cries of vocated, was as good as buried.—( Cheers. )
* Ito "i• But when the Right Hon. Baronet stated that he Mr. S. O'BRIEN was exceedingly grieved to see the
►ate is_ onexion '
it _ boo t_ hatsoever with the League, why, they heavenly serenity of the. Member for Durham disturbed. Now
ahjietile hay: believe him. At the same time, he considered he must beg to remind the House that the point which that
Ina:btions sho,heen more satisfactory to the House that these Hon. Gentleman had mooted, although it was very forcible,
taa lad a lid not have been served in the wholesale manner had no Relation to the matter in d Ante; the great question was
14statrodoeraell detailed to the House. If the Government as to how far the 40s. freeholders had had not been made use
ho.its
strepeneved
11,441e4.„7" untie measure for cutting down the Anti-Corn- of as mere instruments. Now he could say that the allege-
Oh" he I(,!iear, hear)—and if they had not given way to tion had been that large associations, with large funds at their
giving way was the only method to in- command, had interfered greatly with the elections in several
lair'll his hgth—thev would have been more likely to hay, parts of the country, and he begged to remind the Hon. alem-
Isse7,he ael'Plart—(Eaughter)—and that of the body with ber for Liskeard (Mr. C. Buller) that the Hon. Member for
Halifax had asserted that two parties had interfered in his die-
areine tar , (Hear, hear, and cheering)—than they were t_ e she new present course trict with large sums of money, and had considerably affected
'lllss"4oT s •
ose, %eh, HERTON thought that the Anti-Corn-law those elections. H. e ventured to assert that in no case had a
laathiteeo; al'
et° be very much obliged to the Hon. Members single vote been objected to by the Conservative party, except
by. persons residing in the district in which the vote was ob-
tas We *a. great notice they had taken of their exertions,
e'RelitielnS a Period when they were thought nothing of by tamed.
llitril one !n.--(Laughter.) In his own borough there had Mr. E. ELLICE,. jun., said, that in the district which be
Rettig
had btene 700 votes objected to, and he was of opinion represented, an association of country gentlemen had been formed,
which was called the Conservative Registration Association ;
Iht fll ill the en done in many other places' for the purpose of
aril. that association having failed in the' county, they turned
sttoeegee b ounty members. He thought the Anti-Corn-
"l:444ln bead done' much good, and if that Leaeue was not their energies. and their money towards. the borough which he
ase tall") s'han immediate repeal of the corn-law;—(cries of represented, in order to destroy the liberal party. If a vote
were. objected to in Scotland by a wealthy person, it would cost
Ile, la the „eY would still go on and cause much more annoy-
%Olt ttra., aton. Gentlemen who now opposed them. He him from 101. to 20'. to keep that vote on the register.. Now,
htlti. b: tl'e Right Hon. Baronet had shown great fore- however, that they were all agreed, the sooner some measure,
Ise,' be pui law how it was that the Anti-Corn-law League calculated to restrain such illegalities was introduced, the
s, better it would he for the interests of the country.
htZtls pia 4°wn, and he adopted a liberal policy in accord
Mr. BO RTH WICK considered that this was a question
Sat' irt the s'ews• He could assure the House that many
which. demanded investigation, and the question for the House
Slat to eo, e Country were purchasing houses to enable them-
whether 'certain acts, so uncon-
stests. iet for those candidates who would represent their to. inquire into seas,
tes cle, tiles „Was quite a mistake of the Hon. Gentleman to stitutional as to be utterly subversive of all law,
4, slaw Teague titheuarter-of-a-million fund raised by the Anti- had been perpetrated by a body calling itself the Anti-Corn-
law League. fie should like to know if the Hon. Member
is thteowe tbwas spent for the purpose of purchasing votes.
to 4.14 t, as
were fast qualifying fer the elections, and had ever assisted an honest elector in the purchase of his vote.
ape;
rn s unfair to think of interfering with those votes, for If he were to leave the electoral body alone, without interfering
ill the G:h who had a right to vote ought not to be objected with his half million of money, he would do much better. But
teps Jam
th.ntleolen on the other side of the House. —( Hear.) the lion. Member said, " Oh, I shall assist them with my
hilit eleet." People would go on and strengthen themselves money if they are favourable to my views, and will go with me
. no usns,
to Ma so• to forward them." He hoped the Noble Lord the Member for
1 teter:4ll 'ArSID said it was a mistake to suppose that the
enshe London, whe was so eminently known as the originator of the.
Me pith r for Warwichshire was objecting to the inter- Reform Bill, would not lie against putting a stop to such a
, lies , ,, „
system of interference with the franchise.
IN' of se 'Be bad votes. What his Hon. Friend com-
steer as the system of objecting to good votes. He Mr. O'CONNELL—One word, Sir—one word for Ireland
—( Hear, hear.) I understand that the grievance complained'
:ated
to e the House that his (Mr. Ferrand's) vote had been
tit:th, he eoufq four years successively. The only means by of is that notices are served upon voters, informing them that
sii,tlotiee , Put a stop to this system of annoyance was by they are to be objected to at the registration. Now, if this is
s' there a° the parties that he would bring an action a grievance. with. you, I shall show how far greater is our cause
teas ester; srarecover the costs. He believed that if the of complaint in Ireland. In that country the elector
ile? ea tbem,lowed to go on they would soon be able to had to travel many miles to have his name placed
%let, j,s Cho Dowd fide voters of England, and thus return on the registry. In this country the complaint is
hh.aseeciea' wsuld not duly represent the interests of their that notices are served on the electors, stating the nature of
ifs.lsahoiss,, , for the majority of voters would be destroyed the objections to their claiming to be placed upon the registry.
tie„ FO Poe. Late system of forgery and perjury. Now, in Ireland no such notice is served at all, and in the
lt4 ' MAU op, . LE said that the question seemed to be a
se "soy g---it was that of the endeavour of a powerful body county which I represent—a county with a population of over
seven hundred thousand—the electors are obliged to travel
kt !Meta votes. It would be found that this had been fifty miles to have their names placed on the registry ; and till
his
eatoa_r tactics pursued in the registration courts they got there. they know not what objections they have to
Piqp:osite",ridof years. Honourable Members, however, on meet. Now, if the elector did not take that trouble, he would
itee'sbut es'
kiltit'ntir feet the made
never supported an inquiry into this
yozaz they found that the shoe did not not be able to vote at all.
An HoN. Mzererit (on the protection side of the House)—
Ittel? subject ; but no:t:fforts to support. that inquiry
itome to their own the
Is that aonnuoally ?E L _ . .
not
League having brought the Alr. ' NN L —No, it is annually ; and that is
that the '
[ cod that the in • doors they complained very loudly.
. , quiry was about to be t bli,hed and he if you
another grievance with us. I state these things to show that
ytt
also Tries would be extended,es at
cols to' En g think the objections stated hero this evening are to be
one into, we have the first claim upon you.--( Hear, hear. )
reland and Scotland ;noimGovern- Iv , in consequence of that i
hald • to
and that the. But this is only one of the lighter grievances of Ireland, and I
ltbis,
shall now, Sir, content myself with having stated that the
ltlap sis grievance, inquiry, bring in a Bill to .
het:tend, ie.. Races grievance on our part is far heavier.
'there
stated, that in the county which he re- Mr. MONCK TON MILNES hope that Ireland would
NI
iTere bad been no less that 1,500 objections made, not he forgotten, and considered that it would be highly im-
S74tof Chself, but in consequenoe of the determined prosier, if the Right lion. Baronet permitted the evil to be
tqk ,if ls constituents, no more than five names had beenre- remedied in England and not in Ireland. He begged to pro-
a cthe list,
test against the assumption of his Hon- Friend the Member
11.4c4 DULLER did not see the necessity of any inquiry.
!slh 4 that th for Liskeard (Mr. C. Buller), that there was a greater guilt
ea, ea ortiae . ey. had arrived at a stage beyond that of inquiry. upon that subject on that side of the House that upon his.
a'ts;'.'s teeters:tat a state in which the evil was confessed, and If the landlords of England were to follow the example of the
mIS alfe e_,. !cl to adopt any practicable remedy.—( Hear, League, and set themselves to partitioning out their estates
at siateeeloamet not know whether it would he proper to move into small votes, they. would have beaten the League out of
ale, slemaakattat to the motion of the Right Hon. Member the field. He was rejoiced to see that they had not entered
N iZose ?Jure ; but he confessed that he should be inclined into such an unworthy conflict.—( Hear, hear.) If the large
4 , Little sum obtained by the League was devoted to the purpose of
'Ale aye be given to the Noble Member to bring in
r' Nell he • his giving to the farmers of England an opportunity of voting with
lap nab, stated he had in pocket.—( Cheers.)
Ih4,4ll:'its his r'GATE was understood to say that he had not the League, he considered that it would be a great waste of
ea IttiPossession. money. It would be difficult 'to impress upon his mind that
Zieeiraneri LL ER said there were no doubt instances in the sum of 25,0001.--
IN Purp:s by Committees of that House were necessary A MEMBEn. on the opposition side stated that it was 250,000./.
se ergs eld'esseof Legislation, but it was equally true that Mr. M. MILNES proceeded to state
ofhe m?laltitnhaltlh-at-nithil.:
>ttat:lt'Poisl:.
Preventing
ofng
(c bheeeenvsin)stit:lttnedthfoatr lionsum —or
shpeenstl:osuolidel say quarteryforathepurpose oafmfalcillitaling votes.
Stiles ofet,er, the evil complainedg Of was stated' to exist by ale could not believe that the 2,000 voters lately added to the
la 4 h b`ue House.—(Cheers.) The extent to which West Riding of Yorkshire, had obtained their votes with their
Itbtak/ear7o
ae_arried had often been referred to in that House own money ; it was a fact which he
.could not believe. He
tens that and Bills had been brought in by Noble trusted that they would proceed.
.by Legislation upon this matter,
to .4t (the opposition) side of the House, in order to anal he thought that the petition of the Hon. Member for
he tnose
illt th , Hon a practices, but they had been invariably Staffordshire would tend to delay the measure.
L 1,, eve tb • Members on the ether side of the House, as Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that many years ago, he had
alttaswas eoesegangway as below it.—(Hear and laughter.) introduced a Bill, in which he provided, what lie thought
Leine we; glad to find that those above and below the would be a remedy against this evil—whether that remedy
tee „" as the Government, took a different course, were proper. or not, he would not at present discuss. The
?e,
~:) Wie arguments which they had made use of.— measure which he proposed was, that the voter who had been
*P ttei,„°w, he advised them to have no mere recrimina- twice before tho
.Court—his name! should be for the future
farles,etice had been much in vogue from the time of retained upon the list without any further trouble, except there
‘Laws Creet League down to the origin of the Anti- should be some circumstances tending to disqualify him as
6"s ll L ,aot the e• Now, as they were convinced of the ex- a voter. :That was the remedy which he proposed.
IN-tr, „,, bad practices referred to, let them emulate He confessed that it did seem to him to make no difference
sttlisQthey-w" endeavour to put an end to them—( Cheerio— whether votes were created at the suggestion of the Anti-Corn-
1044N:re reprehensible to parties in that House and law League or by. any other. body, and when Hon. Gentlemen
i,t4th:ld ion'ent of the country. He believed that they say, "W. e must inquire into the practice were carried on by
Stiipthe Ale: Bill, which had been introduced by the Noble the Anti-Corn-law League, but we will leave it to flourish if
tassleti.l all .her for the City of London, various means for adopted by parties who have other ends in view then the repeal
Siettktoe of eye evils, which however did not meet with the of the corn-law."—(Cheers.)
.If an investigation was neces-
-0 sqte to
__The House; but as it was now the practice to sary it should not be made into the proceedings of one party
iss'sra'?al.ene"ores, he trusted the House would reconsider but into the proceedings of all—in short, it should be
a tet,sleqoa Pass it.--(Cheers. ) general as suggested, by the Hon. Member for Liskeard (Mr.
s'`,:sa•qa,_ 'eSTRE perfectly agreed with the Hon. Mem- C. Buller). The Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for
seetie, isaltestion before the House was above party coil- Bute had alluded to the creation of fictitious votes, but he (Lord
h-sset"l lel affected their honour as well as the interest of John Russell) did not know when the practice was so much
aeltsa'lltata ;JO. He agreed with the Noble Member for carried on as in Scotland, and he must have heard of instances'
aalegali ' ire that the way in which the votes of quali- in which votes were created in that country in the way re-
talsefgetee st,rse objected to was exceedingly reprehensible, fei.red to. The Hon. Gentleman the Vice-President of the Board
11,1ite't %It" Parties to considerable antiolance. In that of Trade must be aware that many elections had been carried by
s4itsa*eas a.,:tr.a which he (Lord Ingsstrej represented the such votes, which were possessed by parties without property.
tototagetli:iled to a wholesale extent. They were there. He (Lord John Russell) hoped, therefore, that when remedies
I:Vetea tilling the Government to take steps to put a were applied that they would be general, and not applied to
a measure to
Oita; ssttte,tey introducing . protect the con- the proceedings of any body of men, but'to the proceedings of
fir, aet ~..,. net who had a right to have their names on all.--( Hear, hear.) Then, with regard to those voters who
,',4, ‘...lcsi:Rnt not be wantonly objected to. were encouraged by the Anti-Corn-law Lesgue to purchase
ts'ltv°,ll,, the 'at P rose and said he had but a few remarks to f_reeenahohledrsfoirnmoatreesrtattheadt
that instances
i nmsitgattcepsosessovcoet es.
.The Hon.
had occurred m York-
,ltttts:tll,3 Vercs.t...._ It. struck him that he had a good daenadl M
shire of working men having votes without possessing any pro-
4e e 7 's Hiding of
.Yorkshirefar many years,
e ses -we /4 eertectly well a notice being delivered to a gen- peaty. If this were so he considered it a fraud; but, on the
ether hand, whei e men having saved 50/. or 601. by their
talitile 14 t ember of that House, requesting that he would be
' Rote*ot
a eti • • •
1 144 • e for a certain candidate An Hon Gentleman industry chose, at the instance of the Anti-Corn-law League or
VI tele °hist side of the House said, o wnen ?" He anyboey else, to lay it out in the purchastiof freehold land, and
to 'eat t —but he thought
00-lle• ' moist
it did , not signify when, to receive the rents which it yiejded, he said those votes were as
0 s Ss who ° say so. All he could say was, that the gen- good as those possessed by . .
any other person. The Hon. Mem-
a lea.% rn he alluded, who had received that notice was her who had just sat down (Mr. W. Mines) said that the
lalitits st I,' and he thought' the Hon. Gentlemen psite right of voting on account of the possession of a freehold
aoeltsgteti a little cautious how they made statements. in the comities in England implied residence. He
Sitlt:tlettre trs West Riding of Yorkshir
e, it was not proved thought this was not necessary—(Hear)—and the Right Hon.
k 1,4 coq:er interference twit Place. but there were on Gentleman opposite would, no doubt, remember, that when
t)itSa Lat, question practices adopted which had better be the Reform Bill was under discussion, the question was fully
Vtae" Parties He thought it was a consideration discussed, and it was determined that a persons vote, al-
ati tie for consideration of the House, that it was perfectly though non-resident, should be as good as those who resided on
airis nape reettns: elector to use the franchise in an inde- the spot for which they claimed a vote, and he could not. con-
NSe" the A voter, unless he was connected sent to disfranchise persons on account of non-residence,
e See
eh ° two parties, was utterly at a loss to —Meer hear).
;kef,llle h°tlld proceed; which was a practical grievance, Mr. MILNES explained that he merely said that in a con-
Nt lee4de,,etie:S as soon as possible, abolished, by securing stitutional sense, persons ought not to be entitldd to vote, not
OIL
sea "1 voting. Unless that system were adopted, that the law prevented theirs from doing so.
OIL at/ Of theolll4 be of no avail, and he was glad to find Mr. HUME said, during the last few year 5,600 frivolous
1541,7110.0.50t.ere who opposed an amendment in the regis- objections had been served in the county of Middlesex, but
mrticularly in the borough of Marylebone. Although he had
nil 'he '-'d tfstea! were now alive to the real state of the facts, particularly
titPe„l'ever"' what had happened at Warrington would in occupied a house in it for the last twenty-five years,
1‘)101 4 nitkmt era .
he had been served with objections for the last three years,
tisile sate 4.1%17 said that he would claim the indulgence It was always his misfortune that the measures which he pro-
a•tiZets-'lll ais4". a short time. When that Hon. Member posed to the House were at the time rejected, but he was
'al th e, is - remembered many years ago that a notice happy to say to be aft erwardt adopted.—( Hear and laughter.)
1A he flentleman re uesting him to vote for a certsin It was no easy matter, however, to turn him from his opinions,
when he felt that they were correct, and that he was pursuing
tttsiltiq ge irltht t° :ay thalt he was prompted to say so, and
tkirlyothe 40d remembered it. He (Mr. Ferrand) was a constitutional course. Now he contended that no man who
k,llll.stid ce•yell• Gentleman would not say that he was not was. not a resident for at least twelve months should be en-
Vivi . aughs,' I do," said Mr. Wood, who sat down amidst titled to have. a vote. I e ventured to recommend a change on
'teta taot'oe io Cr.t 3 It was true that he (Mr. Ferrand) former occasions
°in the franchise, and suggested striking off
Illsa'cie,frlistrla t which he resided was called upon, as chair- thirty or forty different kinds of franchise. However, those
,Isiitil:oohkliP ire.l!""ittee to sign his name to papers of matters were not then attended. to, but
.11. e hoped the time was
iati to d' "ear)--but he had even declared, when at length come when there was a dispositien felt on both sides
Ntittetls -Otit - B°, that he would not offer obstruction to to make the necessary changes. . He was as anxious to create
shy lie j, the franchise unless on fair and legitimate free-trade voters as the pretectionists were to make votes on
kil'sse, iditi he °laject to the vote of an Hon: Gentleman, their side. But he preferred that they should be properly and
e, .0 e a
at, Isa'a , hie, -° so? Because that same gentleman honestly entitled to the franchise,. and he hoped the Govern-
-Itllr/51.11,e-r, Jr(. Ferrand) for three . years in ment would bring in a Bill, the necessity of which there was
ample evidence of from what they had that night heard.
kNiso's q, beettfitand. a laugh.)—and received for
V s Ise 'r. get nil silver teapot—Great laughter)—for He (Mr. Hume) begged to be understood correctly. A very
Nttl&t, 4,Nr.rood's)v
relative had subscribed. On that powerful body went through the eountry and caused the proa
vitae seetnd erre...,.
, errand) declared that if the Hon. Gentle. curing of votes to
.a very large extentthin various parts of the
se's ;.,---, Uteri s° his vote, he would object to the vote of kingdom, which. might be justified on ese grounds, that there
ly.-.. 4:-..y, did, eWed laughter.) Now on these grounds, was a great object to be gained.—(Hear, hear.) 1 hey in-
latittinNtAhoußb heed
object to the Hone Gentleman; and in fringed no law, but fairly and, legitimately pursued the system of
or% or' so Wl' atv"oenw,.,sms_perfeetlY justified.—( Laughter. ) extending the franchise. Now that practise could be availed
lteartf ~ 40th „ L% 1 LEy thought the House should not of for a good or a bad purpose; in the present case he believed
ili'lhimeal7 centerse -xurlttch of the subject, namely, the menu. it was good, and he therefore thought the best thing to be dine
e 4 a re
or Manchester (as we understood) no less would be to simplify and. extend the. franchise, and then there
was struck off
lai RI York; • e &title
th qt,ere dto the roll, the prevailing opinion would be no. complaints that this mart's vote
It a, ttes sell oe, was that they were fraudulent. the roll unfairly, and that many were placed on by similar
kreaatee eritireand assure the Hon. and Learned Member means.—( Hear, hear. )
t‘ y asais'ay Part' mistaken when he supposed that Mr. 111 r, A GLIONBY said that there was much time spent and
'74/ Ateik tie; Met lit signing objections in the West Riding many valuable hours wasted in recrimination on both sides,
Ist'lim44,44aLe, ar.aewc;tlcregard to freeholds, he could assure and he believed one party was equally as much to blame
Q‘, Of ;14%,, L "Lernber with no less confidence, that as the other. He rose now for the purpose of saying that he
ki,,, v ‘l. th (44 by "Rue did not only not recommend the thought the only question for time House to colosider was,
kitt arr!tes s,e Isso.Bt4this means, but through its lecturers and whether there would be an inquiry, or whether they would leave
I4loo'nliee!'e eat inhad constantly informed the public that the Government to bring in the Bill. He trusted that every.
ik:'eti 'kr °f Peps and were really in defiance of every Member of the House was anxious to see such a measure im-
kta 'Um eat san !sentetion. The Ar ti Corn-lavv League mediately brought in ; but he warned whoever should under-
Nli foretaded theetiOned the ereation oft such- votes, but' they take that duty not to be tampering with the suffrage. They
Nift kI, Vot,,, Pi°°r Man to save his money and o qualify must do much more than attempt to amend it—they must
,•41 theutMeient 1:, a benat fide manner, namely, by extend it; and if. they did not largely do so, they would do
'''Stitia House "°°u o property, and he defied any little good, and give no. satisfaction to the country. He made.
ssolla of the the warmest supporter of the those remarks now, with the hope that at the proper time
"a %mutt would be attended to, and he thought the observations of
Y—to say that such a princi- they

the Hon. Member for Durham (Mr. Bright) ought at the
same time to be remembered, namely, whether they ought not,
by a legislative enactment, to extend the franchise, ins:ead of
giving to individuals grounds for adopting measures to do so.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said he never contemplated by his
motion, so extensive an inquiry as some Hon. Members
thcught it would lead o. He (Mr. Newdegate) knew that a
great number of electors had been dealt with, bo: h in Warwick-
shire and Staffordshire, but under the 'circumstances he
thought it would be uselens to persevere in his motion.
The motion was withdrawn accordingly.
RAILWAYS.

Mr. FORSTER moved for returns of all the railway schemes
now before the House, together with returns of the lists of all
those which had been constructed, and those in the course of
construction.
The motion was agreed to.
*GAME-LAWS.
_ _

Arr. CRAVEN BERKELEY, in moving for a select
Committee, which had been asked for in a petition from Chel-
tenham ; begged to say that he had been accused by a Alern-
ber of the Anti Corn-law League, of making a diatribe against
them with a view to carry his own motion for an alteration in
the game-laws. Now, he must beg to assert that in moving
for this Committee, he had not the slighteat 'hostile feel-
ing against the Anti-Corn-law League, or against any insti-
tution► in the country.
A Committee was then appointed, con;isting of Mr. Craven
Berkeley, air. Bright, Mr. New degate, Mr. T. Duncombe, Mr.
Feerand, Mr. Ridley Colburn, Sir R. H. Inglis, Mr. Red-
head Yorke, Mr. Repton, Mr. M. Gibson, Mr. Villiers, Lord
Worsley, and Mr. G. Bankes.
Mr. BROTHERTON objected to the appointment of the
ammittee, on the grounds of the expense.
The Committee was appointed".
GRAND JURIES.
Sir J. GRAHAM, in reply to an Honourable Member,
stated that the information received by the Government of the
proceedings of the grand juries, especially that of the county of
Northumberland, was at present insufficient to base any ►egis-
lative measures for their improvement.
INDIAN ARMY.
Lord C. FITZROY wished to know how the Ministry in-
tended to proceed will regard to giving medals to the several
members of the Indian army who had been engaged in the late
actions?
Sir R. PEEL could not say exactly what course would be
pursued. He knew that medals were in preparation for the of-
ficers of the army, but did not know what the medals would
consist of for the other mem of the service.
ADJOURNED DEBATE.
The order of the day having been read,
Mr. G. BANKES said that he was anxious to make a state-
ment to the effect, that farmers wished that there should be an
immediate repeal of the corn-laws. He could not understand
—if any advantage would result to Ireland from opening the
ports—why the Government did not proceed to open them at
once. If it would be for the great benefit of Ireland, why was
not that course pursued. If the opening of tke ports was for
the relief of that country as was said, why was it not done, when
it was well known that every gentleman in that House was in
favour of such a measure. He thought the measure should not
be sanctioned by that Parliament if sanctioned at all, because
it would be carried by a majority of 112, who had pledged
themselves to vote a different way. If it passed that house in-
stead of a new one, the Noble Lord, the member for the city
of London, considered that it stood more chance of
passing the House of Peers. He denied that this
argument was tenable, because, when the Peers looked
over the votes of that House, and found that
these who for five years before had voted in an exactly opposite
direction to the way they had latterly done, he wished to
know what influence their opinion would have on the decision
of the other House of Parliament ? Surely a fresh Parliament
was necessary, because the sentiments of the people might not
be altered. Why was he afraid to appeal to the country ?
Because the decision would be an adverse one, for, in his
opinion, the House of Peers would pay more respect to a new
Parliament than to the present one. Suppose, if after they had
confirmed the measure of the Right Honourable Baronet, the
House of Lords were to throe- it out, and that there was an
appeal to the constituencies afterwards, and if they decided
against the measure, what then would Honourable Gentlemen
say who were now supporting the Ministry without consult.
ing the feelings of their constituents? He thought, however,
that a preference ought be given to the measure propounded
by the Government, which he was sure would never have been in-
troduced by them hut for the unnatural coalition which had taken
place—a coalition which he never recollected without regret.
He, however, would be perfectly satisfied when the motion was
carried ; but he denied that the Government had any right to
suppose that the feelings of the people were changed on that
question, and if the elections which had taken place
were referred to, it would appear that a contrary
opinion was entertained. With respect to the details of the
measure he would have an opportunity of speaking hereafter,
and he would not therefore make 'any further observations
except as regards one part of the measure which was of a most
important nature. He did hot think that he entirely under-
stood the provisions of that measure, because, at one time, he
had been told that it would not confer a right to settlement,
and at another time he had been informed that it would provide
only for a claim to relief. He trusted that the Government
would lay on the table, in a few days, the proposed measure in
its perfected form, He would not at present go further into
the question of the general policies of the Government, being
aware that at the second reading of the Bill he should have a
more convenient opportunity. There were at the present
moment two propositions before the House, viz., that which
had emanated from the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton, for
a total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws, and that of the
Right Hon. Baronet, which proposed their abrogation in three
years time. His own opinion was, that before the question
could be ultimately and properly adjusted, it would be necessary
to appeal to the constituencies of the country. He had recently
received two letters from his own constituents, in which they
expressed their resolution to maintain protection as long as
possible, and he should feel it his duty to support them in the,'
resolve.

Sir R. PEEL had understood from his Hon. Friend (Mr.
Berates) that the Hon. Member fur Somersetshire had inti-
mated an opinion, that he considered the total and immediate
repeal of the corn-laws would be preferable for the interests of
those engaged in agriculture, than a protracted delay of three
years. He ( Sir R. Peel) had assumed that it was so, en the
previous night, because he had heard the statement with his
own ears, and he thought it had been assented to. That state-
ment was now contradicted. He had made the observation on the
last night of the debate—he had repeated it two nights after-
wards in the presence of the Hon. Member for Somersetshire,
who had allowed him to speak without any correction what-
ever, and new he heard from his Hon Friend (Mr. Bankes)
that he made a complete mistake as to the Hon. Member for
Somersetshire's real opinion.
A short conversational explanation here ensued between Sir
R. Peel and Mr. Bankes, but was carried on in so low a tone,
that its purport was not audible in the gallery.
Mr. BRIGHT intended to explain a misconception which
the Hon. Member fur Somersetshire had fallen into with
respect to what he (Mr. Bright) had stated about the
game damage on an estate near 13igswell. The estate con-
sisted of 3,000 acres, a great portion of which was not culti-
vated. The valuation was made, and had been made, for years
past, only upon that portion which was ender grain cultivation.
He found that the sum of 9161. had been paid in the
year 1844 by the Duke of Rutland for damage done by game,
and the valuation was made on no other part of the estate but
on that which was under grain cultivation, consisting of about
339 acres. He would show his Hon. Friend indisputable proof
of the fact, out of doors, if he still felt inclined to doubt it.
Mr. HOWARD was of opinion, that the proposed measure
would cause more capital to be employed, and better wages
given, in the cultivation of land. The farmer would find in
the soil much better protection than any that the Legislature
could give. He regretted that the Right Hon. Baronet had
not listened to the advice of the Noble Lord the Member for the
city of London. He (Mr. Howard) thought that the present was
a very good time for the immediate repeal of the corn-laws.
The Noble Lord had told them last night, that there existed
no very large stook of corn in foreign ports. Would it then
be wise to wait three years to give foreigners an opportunity of
increasing their stocks, so as to good this country at the ex-
piration of the period, with their produce. It was
not fair that the farmer should be suddenly called upon to com-
pete with a large influx of foreign corn. The Right Hon.
Baronet had asked for the opinion of the country gentlemen on
the subject, and he for one had given his advice. He should
support the motion fir the total and immediate repeal.
Sir JOHN HAN MER would support the Government
measure, which provided protection for three years, rather than
the motion proposed by the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton.
If he could look at the question merely as an abstraction, he
should be inclined to recommend the entire repeal, but the
Government had to consider the general effect of this measure
in all its different bearings, and it was necessary to this end
that they should provide apinst every contingency. The
Noble Lord opposite had expressed a desire that te settlement
of this question should be definitely accomplished. He could
assure the Noble Lord, that were he in office, he (Sir John
Hanmer) would have still retained the same opinions as he now
held, and should have voted in the same way as he now in-
tended to vote. He would support the measure of Govern-
ment as far as his humble capacity would go, whether as a
landed proprietor or as a Member of Parliament.
Mr. MOFFATT thought that the debate had taken a most
extraordinary turn. The beads of the three contending par-
ties seemed to be agreed on the point, that after all immediate
repeal would be for the best, but when his Hon. Friend had
plainly put the question to them, all three seemed to
shrink from it. The Right Hon. Baronet had set the example,
and he must say, that the Noble Lord the Member for London,
see:lied very eager to follow in his steps. He (Mr. Moffatt)
had no explanations to make. He had always supported the
relaxation of duties, and the repeal of the corn-laws. He would
advise those gentlemen opposite to consider how deeply they
were endangering the whole property of the country by their
factious opposition. Let them look at the different corn mar-
kets. Let them go down to Mark-lane, and see how the un-
certainty occasioned by the three weeks' debate, had paralysed
the corn market there. The country markets were in a
similarly paralysed condition. Did they consider their tenants
interest they would endeavour at once to put an end to the
anxiety which agitated the agricultural districts of the country.
The Honourable Gentleman concluded by urging on the prott c-
tionist party the necessity of succumbing to superior numbers,
both fur their own interests and for the good of the country.
Mr. FINCH would prefer having protection for three years,
or as long as the Right Hon. Baronet would allow them to
enjoy it. In the event of the measure proving injurious, three
years would allow time for the Government to retrace their
steps, and guard against the evil. The country had, since the
year 1116, made great improvements in agriculture in some
places; indeed, it had almost arrived to a state of perfection.—
( Hear, hear.) He considered it therefore very unjust in the
face of this improvement for the Hon. Member of the League
to describe the farmers as lazy drones, ignorant, bigoted, and
indisposed to adopt any modern improvement. The Hon.
Member for Durham (Mr. Bright) had stated that if her
Majesty's Government would immediately repeal the corn-
laws the agitation of the Anti-Corn-law League should cease;
and also that he would net inflict upon the House at a later
period of the session another debate on the corn-laws. He

Mr. Finch) considered that the agitation of the League was
perfectly harmless. It had mot been attended by any tumult.
At their one-sided discussions, to which the public were ad-
mitted by tickets only, even at Covent-garden Theatre, hail
been attended with no more disturbance than when upon alter-
nate nights at a neighbouring theatre the public attended to see
Harlequin Gulliver or Don Quixote. He was sure that the
agricultural interest had no objection to their agitation, and if
they proposed to call a meeting of 5,000 for the purpose of
agitation, he had no doubt but that the same number might be
found among the agriculturists, who would make equally as
much noise and clamour as the partizans of the League.—
( Hear, hear.) As to his promise that he (Mr. Bright) would
Lot inflict upon the House another debate on the corn-laws, he
could tell the Hon. Member that there were at least fifty Mem-
bers on his side of the House who were suffering from all the
agonies of suppressed speeches.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.)
It had been said in the course of this debate that the present
was a landlord's question. He denied that it was so, but if it
were so, he maintained that they had an equal right with the
merchant or the manufacturer to press his grievances.—( Hear,
hear.) He could but smile at the simplicity of the Right Hon.
Baronet and the Noble Lord the Member for the City of
London, who seemed to consider that the present would be a
settlement of the question. He could assure them that the
question would be again opened at the general election. The
present question was treated in an entirely erroneous manner.
It was a petitio przncipia—it was assumed to be a good ques-
tion. He believed, however, that it was not so; he believed
it to be irjurious to the agricultural and manufactur-
ing interests of the country. He believed that it would be of no
benefit to our commercial relations with America, and that it was

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MARCH 4, 1846.

an act of injustice towards Canada. That country had not
had sufficient time to express its opinion on the measure, not-
withstanding the very tedious debate, which seemed likely to
eff ct a reduction in the price of opium. —(Laughter. ) He
thought that when the II ght Hon. Baronet would tell the
Pruotian Minister that he intended to make a large reduction
in the tariff of the country, he would receive a hearty shake'
of the hand from him ; but he would receive a shake of the
head, when he asked about any reduction in the Prussian tariff.
He did consider that the measure was hurried on with suffi-
cient grounds, and certainly it must be, he thought, admitted
that they shinald first of all have a fiaancial statemeat. The
malt-tax, it was hoped by the agricultural classes, would be
abolished, but there was, he feared, little chance of such
being the case. He thought it would be very proper to say,
that at the conclusion of three years, that tax also should
cease. There was a sum of 500,6031. rated towards the ex-
penses of the navy, and he could not but believe there would
be also a large amount required for the army. Thera was
500,000'. voted for public works in Ireland, and a remission of
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crease of taxation. Under those circumstances he thought '
that before the measure was carried through the House,
the financial statement should be made; and he also saw no rea-
son why the acids of the Bill should not be neutral zed by a
discussion of rte sugar duties.—(Laughter. ) The Right
Hon.
Baronet would give them much greater satisfaction if
he had introduced a discussion of the stera; duties. There was
another reason, too, for delaying the queestion ; it was the pre-
carious state in which they were with respect to America.
Why he thought that free trade under the present circumstances
would net be introduced by the humblest tyro in legislative
knowledge, for it did appear to him that as matters at present
stood, instead of free trade a war tax would be imposed; they should
he feared, have to re--establish the beer tax, and they would be
in a position of having broken up a great party in the country,
and be obliged is the end to retrace their steps. Under all
those circumstances he thought it would be expedient that some
of the business connected with the financial statement should
be first introduced, but he must say, in conclusion, he pre-
ferred the measure brought forward by the 11:ght Honourable
Baronet than the total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws.
Mr. WARD rose and said, that the Hon. Gentleman who
had last spoken, accused them of hurrying nu that question,
and that the landlords were intitled to be heard, twenty or
thirty of whom had not yet spoken. Of the whole speech
which he inflicted on the House, not one word but the last
sentence bore on the question. It seemed that one half
of the if nourable Gentleman's argument was com-
plaining 0: her Majesty's Ministers, and the other half was on the
subject of protection. The Hon. Gentleman complains of
taxes, and talks of the abolition of the malt-tax, as a boon to
the farmers. But he thought that every Gentleman in that
House would admit that. ninety-nine parts nut of every
hundred was paid by the consumer. That is the boon which
the farmer's friends propose, and in which they all concur.
He had always heard of an old saying, which was " God pre-
serve me from my friends, for I shall preserve myself from my
enemies." Such he thought may now be the feelings of the
agriculturists._( Hear hear.) It was said that the present
Parliament was incompetent to decide the question, but he
was of opinion that what the Reform Bill did for the rotten
boroughs, the present measure would do for the corn-laws.
Fur six years that question had been forcing itself
on the common sense of the House, and it was
now to he considered what was to be done. For his own part,
he had never given a vete on any question in which he so en-
tirely concurred. His constituency were satisfied with the
measure of the Government, and were most anxicus to see it
carried, and he had formed his opinion from what he had heard
in that House, and he should say at once that they should take
the measure of the Government, which was right per se. His
Noble Friend near him said he preferred the Government
measure to any other, and said that he would vote for it and for
no other; but he did not see why his Noble Friend should not
vote for the immediate repeal. He (Mr. Ward) had an ad-
vantage which few in that House had, lie did not
pass the whole week there, for he mingled with
men who had nothing to do with party feeling or
with party politics ; and who were not interested with regard
to the measure, and who differed with him on the question of
protection. They were all rejoicing when they heard of the
large majority by which the question was decided, for they
considered it would have the effect of putting an end to the
present uncertainty which was felt by the country—( Hear,
hear)—for they were looking forward to the time when they
could enter into fresh arrangements with their landlords. Now
he stated distinctly that that was the general feeling in the
country amongst men who did not pass their Saturday's and
Sunday's at clubs and other places of resort. There were many
Members of that House whose opinions had undergone a
change within a very short time, for they said in resisting the
present motion, their reason for opposing it was for fear the
measure of the Government would be endangered. There
was a great change now come over them from that which they
felt when they said it was better to have at Once the repeal of
the corn-laws, than to have it hanging over them fur three
years, but they had such short memories that they did not re-
collect the statements, which they expressed a few days ago.
Every man among them (the protectionists) then said, that if
the repeal was to take place, it would be better it should be
immediate. If they could but consult their underatanding—
if they could but get rid of those odious party feelings, and look
at the question in a plain nnbaissed point of view—
( Hear, hear)—there was doubt that such changes as he
had alluded to would not have so often taken place.
If the result should prove that they were right, and that the
protectionists were wrong, in all their future arrangements
with their tenants their own speeches would be quoted against
them. They would justly say," You told us that we were all
destroyed, and that we had not a chance of competing with
the Pole or Russian, and that English capital and English
science would go for nothing in the race, how then can you
expect us to enter into competition where the race is decided
before it is run ?" This would be their language, and it would
be quite natural. For himself he believed that the tenant-
farmers were rejoiced at the decision which had ben arrived
at, and wished the question decided in order to
be able to meet them ( the landlords) on fair and
rational terms.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") If he considered
that by supporting the measure of his Honourable Friend he
would risk the measure of the Government, he would vote
against it --(Hear, hear from the protectionists.) Yes, he
considered the measure of the Government as a great boon
conferred upon the country, but at the same time he thought
it would further its own object better by being immediate than
gradual. —( Hear, hear.)
Mr. LIDDELL could not possibly receive the opinions of
the Honourable Member who had just sat down without con-
siderable hesitation, because they were preconceived opinions,
which the Honourable Member had ever held, and to which he
was clearly prejudiced. The question for the House to consider
was, whether they were prepared to accept the modified corn-
law, or whether they should consent to an immediate repeal.
The lion. Gentleman had quoted from some papers which, he
said, he had received from a mast respectable firm of mer-
chants ; but were that Hon. Gentleman in the House a few
hours earlier, he would have heard a question put by the Hon.
Member for Wolverhampton to the Vice-President of the
Board of Trade, as to whether wheat had not been thrown
into the Thames because of the high rate of duty it had
placed on it.— ( Hear, hear. )
Mr. PETER BORTHWICK, having heard many com-
plaints made as to the length to which the debate had run,
rose to ask the House, as also her Majesty's Ministers, to
whom the country was indebted for the present protracted
discussion ?—( Hear, hear.) In the month of October, 1845,
they had been told that the country was quiet, the Exchequer
overflowing, trade prosperous, and labour employed ; in fact,
in no respect in which the country could be regarded did it
not present a most satisfactory appearance.—(Hear, hear. )
But in that month a certain organ of public information
communicated the startling intelligence that it was
the intention of her Majesty's Government in the
second week in January of the present year to propose an im-
mediate and total repeal of the corn-laws. He begged to ask
every Gentleman acquainted with the commerce in the coon.
try, whether, from that moment, the state of commerce in
England had not been utterly paralyzed?--(Hear, hear, and
a laugh.) He further asked, whether lion. Gentleman did
not believe that, if her Majesty's Government, instead of
verifying, had falsified that statement, and come d ,wn to the
House with some practical measure to meet the famine pre
valent in Ireland, whether the commercial condition of the
country would not be as prosperous in March, 1846, as it was
in October, 1845? He put the question, and if it could not
be answered by Hon. Gentlemen on the Treasury benches,
he
g would
and ask, were they—who were
Iu
measureslose of innovation, of a revolutionary
blame for protracting the discussion ?
engaged
nature—were
d in pu
resisting
i ttht
e oy theto
—( Loud cries of " Hear, hear," from the protectionists. )
They must show him that land in England was more lightly
burdened than land in any other country, before he could agree
in the principles of free trade. It was said-by the Right Hon
Baronet, that if the ports were opened to relieve the distress of
the moment, who could again close them? He would tether be
convinced by the experience of the opening of the ports of
the necessity of free trade, than by the three year's experi
ence of the Right Hon. Baronet, upon which he came to the
resolution of making so great a change as he had done by the
present measure. One other word upon the question, why some
Hon. Members on that side of the House cheered the idea of
immediate repeal in preferenee to a repeal at the end of three
years. If they had had no choice between the one and the
other, then he certainly would prefer immediate repeal, but
they had a choice. The Right Hon. Baronet himself gave
them three years, and who could calculate the changes that
might arise before that period Ead expired ?—(Cheers.)
Mr. H UME said he was very much surprised that any Hon.
Member in that House should have clec!ared his intention of
confining himself to the question before the House, when to
the very last paragraph of his speech he had never once re-
ferred to the matter before them. His Hon. Friend the Mem-
ber for Durham had congratulated the House that protection
was dead and buried, but he had not anticipated that protec-
tion would have arisen in the person of the Hon. Member for
Evesham, like a giant refreshed.---(Laughter.) The lion.
Member had produced strong allegations from the writings of
political economists, but he said not one of them had referred to
the policy of the Right Hon. Baronet. How the deuce could they ?
The Right lion. Baronet had come forward in these latter
days, very much to his own honour, and very much to his
(Mr. Hume's) satisfaction—(Laughter)—with
measures hav-
ing a tendency towards free trade. Protection, which was at
best a system of robbery, would never have been passed but for
this reason. The House of Commons had been altogether
composed of landed proprietors, and until a year ago no in-
ky)! ar.ax for their. own exclusive
divieual would sit in the House who had not a qualification in
a land,bied theman d
o thereforetake
outit owasof
tbteheyp pocketsa passed eodf
others
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s measurefo r t
bwhich
purposeen •
of putting into their own. The questiont now was, whether it
Hume) denied that justice;
dteogereeemoofv;ustiee. If that wbeausejfiutstuptoonallaolwi
ootnbeercsl?assnteo n
the
rest of the community, and the whole object of the Right
he contended that the landed interest hadt.h.is plunderedinjustice,
and
tHoogni.veStaoroanleite'slasmseseasauoreeqwuls
mea-
sure were passed, the artisans of England, of France, of Bel-
gium, and of Holland, would be
placed on
manon the same footing with
regard to food, and therefore the Englishs
ufactuaer would nut
suffer as heretofore from
the inequality of competition. They
had heard in that House of nothing but toe landed interests,
as if they alone combined every interest in the country. Hon.
Members very well knew that they were only a fractional part—
one-fifth or one-sixth of the whole community.
Let them
take the Parliamentary return to which an Honourable Mem-
ber referred last night. That Honourable Member stated this
important fact, that the whole population employed in agricul-
ture were only some eight per cent. But they were told this
was an unfair statement. Let them look at the income-tax.
It appeared that the whole income-tax of 5,000,0001. had been
levied upon 000,000,0000'. of property, but only 32,000,000/. out
of this sum was returned for the whole property of England.
( Hear.) And yet it was asked that every other class in the coun-
try should contribute to this monstrous system of protection.
He had been led away from the question before this House by
this incident, but he would now apply himself to it, and that
question was, how he should vote upon the present occasion.
He looked upon the measure of the Right lion. Baronet as
a very important
and comprehensive one, and much more to
the purpose than he could have expected or anticipated, and
therefore he would not run the risk of losing it by adopting any
other course, and therefore he would vote for it now, and then
see how much more could be got afterwards.--( Cheers. )
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK said that the Honourable
Member hail called the agricultural Members a selfish
party, and that they were not content with a fair share of the
Government of the country ; but he begged to tell the Hoe.
Member that if that party had a fair share of the Government

of the country, there could be little doubt as to the mode in
which the present measure would be dealt with.-( Hear,
hear.) He thought that the landed interest had more than a
fair share of the public burdens. But with respect to the
motion now before the House, he begged to say he thought
his Honourable Friend had misappreheseled what hail
been said upon it by the agricultural Members. He could
'assure the Hon. Mee,ber that there were many Members on
this side the House who would prefer a total and immediate
repeal of the corn-laws to having that measure hanging over
them for three years.-( Hear, hear. ) It was a saying of
Napoleon that the British troops knew not when they were
beaten ; and he ( Lord G. Berrinek) begged to tell the House
that his party would now stand in the same position, and that
if they were beaten they would retreat and rally their forces-
( Cheers)-and keep the question before the country, and show
the people the manner in which some Hon. Members had kept
the pledges they had made at the hustings.-( Cheers.) They
would de this until they would at length compel her Majesty's
Government to quit office, and go again be fore her
Majesty's people-( Cheers)-and restore things once more
to what they were before.-( Cries of " Hear, hear.")
The average rice of corn at Dantzic was 25a. 4d. per quarter.
He would take all expenses of freight, &c., to the port of Lon-
don to be about 6s , and that would give a price of 31s. 4d., the
price at which corn could be sold here. The price during the
is hole period of five years, from 1e33 to 1837, averaged 235. ;
and taking five other years, from 1823 to 1817, the average
price was 275. Id. Other ports frost which returns had been
givers, via., 13s'adenburg and Pornsrania, and at which the
price was 6d. higher than at Danteic, and yet the corn could be
bought for a very low price in the port of London. He had
other communications, one of which was from a constituent of
the Hon. Member fur West Riding. The name of his corre-
spondent was Mr. Taylor, a gentleman who had been for 40
years engaged in the corn trade. That gentleman said
that he had bought bea is in liamburgh at from 10s.
,o I Is. per quarter, and wheat from 18s. to -23 a. per queries.
The gentleman commenced his letter by stating that he had
seen what he (Lord Bentitick ) had said on the subject, and in
'lsis opinion it was perfectly correct. The difference of the duty
now payable by law, aid the duty proposed to he allowed
would be pocketed by the holder of corn and by the importers.
lie had another statement of prices front another gentleman
also forty years in the trade. lie said that in 1826, he pur-
chased large quantities of wheat-in fact to the amount of
several thousand quarters, and though the wheat was as fine as
could be grown, the price varied from 183. to 21s. The
freight of that wheat to the port of London would be
33. 6,1. per quarter, making a cost of 245. 6,1.,
se that it would be clear to the farmers
of England at what price foreign wheat could be brought into
competition with their home
.produce. The last letter, to
which he should call the attention of the House, was from a
Norfolk farmer, and it related to the price of corn during the
very last year. He stated that he had purchased 807 qrs.
of wheat in June last at this. 4d., and he had the offer of 3,000
qa. more at the same price. lhe expense of freight to the
port of London, including lighterage, cartage, &e., was 6s.
per qr. more ; 6s. and 265. 41 made 325. 41, and that was
the price at which, on die tat of Julie last, what weighing
62165. per bushel was imported into London. If gentlemen
would take the trouble to add the present du'y of 17s. to the
cost of corn in Mark lane, they would find that the im
porters could afford to pay 17s. per quarter duty, and
have clearly 14s. profit.-(" Oh, oh," from the Opposition. )
Was that not a strong proof that the measure going to be in-
troduced by Ministers was injurious? He had promised not
to detain the House, and he was not going to do so, but he
would advert to the distinction drawn by a fellow-labourer of
his who was engaged with him in a committee on the game.
laws. That lion. Member thought fit to take a little diversion
in game, and he had heard evidence given as to the extent of
damage done to the Dake of Rutland. One of the principal
witnesses on the question was a Quaker.--( Hear, bear, and
laughter. ) That witness carried his aversion to bloodshed
further than the gentlemen of Reading, who would not give
to the British army the thanks due to their service.
He had such an aversion of bloodshed, that he was astonished
how the Duke of Rutland could take any delight its the killing
pheasants and partridges.-(Laughter.) He had such pre-
judices on this question relating to the damage done by the
game, that he went the length of stating that the damage in one
instance on meadow lan I was at the rate of 30s. per acre.
Now he (Lord G. Bentinck) ascertained that the rent of
the land referred to was only 255. an acre. This argument
respecting the damage of game had been set forth as an argu-
ment in favour of free trade, and it was stated that the
damage done to the (aria in question was 9541. in 1833 ; and
951/. in 1844 ; but on this subject he had the testimony of
his Noble Friends behind hiin, the sons of the Duke of Rut-
land, who stated that a new valuer hail made an estimate
of the damage at between 200'. to 3001. He (Lord G.
tientinck) trusted therefore he had answered the observationa
on this point made by the Hon. Member fur Durham.
Mr. COBDEN rose and said, that. the one part of the speech
of the Noble Lord who had just sat down related to how cheaply
corn could be imported into the country, and the other part had
reference to the opinions of the farmers in relation to immediate
or delayed repeal. lie should not refer to the first part of the
speech, further than to repeat what he had said before on this
question, relating to the price of food, a matter of great import-
ance to the people of this country. The
.Noble Lord has said
that grain could be supplied at 31s. 2d. per quarter; that is that
wheat of good quality could be had in large quantities at this
price.-( Hear, hear. )-Indeed, but that was nothing to what the
Hon. Member for Sunderland had stated, for he said that he
could supply wheat from foreign countries at 255. per quarter.
-(Hear, hear.) If that were so, he (Mr. Cobden) was sure
there was not a navigator in the country that would not buy
from that Hun. Member.- (Laughter and cheers.) Now, the
question before the House was a very narrow one,
and he would not deviate from the strict line
of the question -it was, whether it was better
that the repeal of the cornelasys should be immediate, or be
abolished three years hence. This was the question to be con-
sidered. He must say that the motion of the Hon. Member
for Wolverhampton ( Mr. Villiers) was unfortunately brought
forward at the present moment, but that Hon. Gentleman had
no other course left him. The forms of the House left him no
other alternative, he must either bring forward his motion in
that manner or not at all.---( Hear, hear.) But Isis Hon.
Friend had not considered the temper of the House in bringing
forward his motion, when he heard lion. Members below the
eangway state that they would prefer an immediate settlement
of the question to the proposition of the Right Hon. Baronet.
-( Hear, hear.) Nor had ( Mr. Cobden) heard any argu-
ments advanced against the immediate repeal, either from states
:nen, politicians, or farmers' friend,: ; but on the contrary he
heard the lion. Member for Somersetshire, (Mr. Miles)
make the distinct assertion, in the name of the argricultural
party, in which he was cheered by the gentlemen behind him,
that of the two propositions he would prefer the immediate re-
peal. He said, if the question of delayed repeal or immediate
repeal was proposed to the farmers, that they would declare for
the repeal being immediate-( Hear, hear. ) The Duke of
Richmond said the same in another place Not one man said
it would be better to delay the settlem not of the question. And
he (Mr. Cobden) defied any gentleman on the opposite side of
he house to say that the farmers would prefer the delay to an
mtnediate refu,al.-(llear, hear.) fhey, ](the protec-
tionists) at their meetings, had made a parade of
land agents, representing them as farmers, and
getting them to make speeches on behalf of protection.
- (Cries of " No no")-he said yes, for he knew that at all
those meetings land agents and auctioneers were brought fore-
ward to speak on behalf of the farming interest. He admitted
that they might be holders of land, but from their professions,
they had an interest in the delay and uncertinty that arose from
the present system. He challenged any Hon. Gentleman to
say that the farmers preferred a delay of three years to an
immediate repeal. A reference had been made to the decision
that was likely to arise from a division in another place, con-
trary to the conclusion at which that House was likely to ar-
rive. lie sould say that in his opinion, a great difference had
been made and that a great mistake had occurred in the mak-
ing of the motion. Had he been consulted open the matter,
he should have said the motion itself was unwise,
and that it would have been better to have left
the matter in the hands of the Government, for
he would not hesitate to say that the opinion which had
b'en expressed respecting the 15th clause was altogether a
mistaken one, and that if the conclusion at w hich the Hon.
Member had arrived was correct, the public opinion was a
nullity, and that the exertions of Hon. Members were altogether
set aside. He wished the minds of lion. Members should be
disabused of the opinion that public feeling was justified on
this point. The sympathy of the people was not destroyed, and
he begged to give this warning to the Members of the Govern-
ment, in order to show them that they hail another difficulty to
contend with which they had not possibly contemplated.-
( Cheers.) lie would take example by the Right lion. Baronet,
and assert that it would be necessary to evince their opinions
by their voted,- and he would assure lion. Gentlemen that the
Anti-Corn-law League would not gainsay any one of their posi-
tions. He would say there what he had often said elsewhere,
that the interest on this question was not in the slightest de-
gree diminished. They were ready to take 17s. 6d., with the
full expectation that they would obtain the other half crown by
an appeal to the House. He would say this, that there had been
a grievous misrepresentation of the line of conduct which he
had pursued, and he thought that a better course might have
been pursued before the House. The main principle appeared
to be, that in the question before the House, it was impossible
to allay the agitation that had been excited throughout the coun-
try. He believed that the endeavour which had lately been made
to support the corn-laws had been based upon the supposition
that the corn-laws would cease in two-and.a-half to three
years:. But he thought they were mistaken on this point, anti
had treated the Hon. Member for Durham (Mr Bright) with
no little discourtesy, and had treated his suggestions with con-
tempt.-( Cheers.) An endeavour had been made to alter
the coarse which had been devised, but he thought the pro-
ceeding of his Hon. Friend highly injudicious, and he trusted
therefore the house would take into serious consideration the
circumstances which he had laid before them, and that they
would adopt such measures as would be advantageous to them-
selves and to the country. If they were to appeal to thecountry,
they would find that the people were eagerly anxious to pass
the measure, although they were quite ready to forego I
any claims that might arise from the passing of it.
Well, now, he saw very great danger to the measure of the
Right Hon. Baronet in that step-( Hear, hear)-because the
Right Hon. Baronet had very properly stated, that we should
go on from day to day with the question until it was disposed
of.-_( Hear, hear.) But he could apprehend the chance of
some little delay in another place. lie could foresee the
chance of the Government being out of office before this
measure passed through the other House.-(Protectionist
cheers.) He did not know whether the tenure of office of
the present :Ministers was worth six weeks or two months'
purchase.-( Loud laughter and cheers from the protectionists.)
But he did not see very great wisdom- ( Opposition cheers)-
or any great policy in the course by which they proposed to
turn out the Government of the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman.-(Continued cheering.) But that was their
(the protectionists') business.-( Cheers.) His business there
was to keep this question completely out of their power, and
completely out of the reach of their touch.-(hear, hear. )
Now he would say that this question with the country was
safe.-( Cheers.) Why, they were united on the principle of
total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws, and the e was no
power on earth that could prevent the carrying out of the
abolition of the corn-laws.-(Cheers.) And it was, therefore,
because he foresaw dangers-because he foresaw the course of
vexatious policy to;vards the present Ministers-a policy which
he would not bind himself to follow-(Cheers)-because he
saw in those insidious amendments and proposals, as well as the
amendments that were spoken of in another place, dangers
and pit-falls to this measure. It was therefore, and
therefore alone, that he was anxious that they should
preserve themselves intact with the country-( Hear, hear)._
and Hon. Members on his side of the House would not oppose
the measures of the Right Hon. Baronet if they were even ten
times stronger than they were...-(Cheers.) Now, after the
division on this question, I will give as cordial a support to the
measure of the Government as any gentleman in this House.-
( Hear, hear. ) And now I ask Hon. Gentlemen opposite-
those who have taken an enlightened view of the necessities of
the country, arid have agreed-some, I have no doubt, in ep
position to their own feelings-(Hear, hear)-to give their
support to the measure of the Government, when they see that
in the free trade party there is no disposition to oppose, but every
disposition to aid them. I hope that we shall unite here cordially
and if there is a dissolution, I hope that when we go to the
ceuntry, if there must be a dissolution, that we shall go united
-( Hear, hear)-add that they would see that their motion for
immediate repeal, instead of having at all tended to diminish
the acrimony and the intensity of Hon. Gentlemen opposite, it
would be rather increased. He hoped that if a dissolution
must come, Hon. Gentlemen who had come forward in sup-
port of the measure of the Government, would then go to-
gether as a united body.-( Cheers. ) And he sincerely hoped
and trusted that every ventage of the late Tory and Whig

parties would be thrown aide until this question was fairly
disposed of in the country. Now, he did not intend to
go nto an argument, and show why the farmers would be
benefited by having an immediate repeal. His opinions were
bsfore the country. lie thought that those opinions had been
pretty well read and canvassed, and he did not intend to repeat
what he had already said to them. Ile sincerely hoped, after
this question had been merely divided on, that they would see
that this measure was inevitable. He also hoped that in
another place they would see that this measure was inevitable.
He did not despair, notwithstanding all this irritation and
excitement, when they found that the farmers would prefer
immediate and total repeal— ( Hear, hear)—arid that this
measure was disposed of by that House. He did not
despair that. before the end of this session the principle of an
immediate repeal of the corn-laws would be established by Act
of Parliament.—( Cheers.) And he did think if Hon. Gen-
tlemen would for a moment reflect upon what they were going
to encounter in the promoting, and compelling, and coun-
tenancing this agitation—if they would but candidly and cooly
consider what their position was in undertaking this conflict,
why, he, as one of the members of the League, should really
be almost ashamed to enter the field of battle under such lead.
ers.—(Cheers.) They were broken up, and dispersed, and
without leaders—in fact, he really believed that the ghost of
the League would be more powerful than the flesh and blood of
the members of th it party. —( Loud 'use-liter. ) But he hoped
that gentlemen would take a cooler view of the else ; and he
did hope in another place, where there was s much hope that
all the areuments that they had used, would be very well ap-
plied by Noble Lords who belonged to the agricultural interest.
lie hoped that the Lords would take his advice.—(Laughter
from the protectionists.) Yes— (Opposition cheers)—he
would undertake to say, if they would, in their place, instead
of taking their (the protectionists') advice, which, if it were
Parliamentary, he should almost say was insane—( Laughter)
—they would take his, and, instead or throwing out the measure
if they would graciously say, " the country seems to prefer
rep-al, and the farmers seem to prefer immediate repeal.—
( leer, hear. ) And we will net only pass this measure, but
we will make the measure our own."—(Cheers. ) Then
would the House of Lords be restored to its pristine respect and
authority—(Laughter from the protectionists)—and, as an in-
dividual, lie at once said, we might thank Heaven that there
was still a House of Lords.—(Loud cheers.)
Lord Marion, Sir Triosres ACLA ND, and several other
Members, rote together, at the conclusion of the lion. Mem-
ber's speech, to address the House, but there being loud cries
for Sir Thomas Acland,
Sir THOMAS DYKE ACLA.ND accordingly pro •
ceeded to address the House, in opposition to the
amendment, and in favour of the elinisterial measure.
He thought that the Anti-Corn. law League having so nearly
attained the object for which they had been striving should not
now endanger the safety of the present meaeure in order to
satisfy their consciences, or because they might appear consis-
tent, having always agitated for a total and immediate repeal
of the corn-laws. He preferred the proposal of her Majesty's
Government to an immediate repeal, because les
thought that the immediate abolition of those laws
would be like going down a steep incline instead
of a moderate descent. He considered that when
the proposed measure was once passed it would be as difficult
to repeal it again as it would be to turn the course of a mighty
stream back to its fountain.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) It
might be true that the Right Hon. Baronet was conferring a
great advantage an the country, and they could not say that
his measures would be attended with very great success; and
if so, he for one thought that the Right Hon. Baronet would
have the benefit of such success, but if it should turn out
otherwise, as he very much feared it would, why, then the re-
sponsibility should rest with him, and, for his part, he would
not he answerable for any portion of it.—(Cheers.)
Mr. THOMAS DU N COM BE rose and said that he
would give an unqualified and consistent support
to the measure proposed by her Majesty's Ministers, and his
vote should be a practical, and not a popular one ; and in op-
posing his Hon. Friend the Member for Wolverhampton, it
was more his duty than his pleasure to do so. Wishing to see
the corn-laws repealed, he felt calks' on to give his vote in
favour of the Government measure ; for they had required of
the Government to stand by ther plans ; and if he now de-
serted them they would have a right to say that you left us on
the three years' question for that of an immediate and total repeal
of the corn-laws, and we now in return will not stand by you as ith
regard to the settlement you propose, respecting the manufac-
ing districts. Under those circumstances, he said, he felt it
his duty to vote with the Right Hon. Baronet, and in doing
so he begged to state that long before the Anti-Corn-law
League was in existence he voted far a repeal of those laws.
He looked on his vote as a practical one, and did not give it
with a party view. Many of the Members who had expressed a
wish fer au immediate repeal, bed now changed their minds and
said they were not prepared for an instant alteration of the
kind; for now, when they were put to the test, they would go
out into the lobby with the Right Hon. Baronet, and he
very much questioned whether the Right Hon. Gentleman
was perfectly safe in such company.—(Cheers and laughter).
He considered that the motion of the Hon. Member for Wol-
verhampton was brought forward from a conscientious mo-
tive, as he had pledged himself to the Anti-Corn-law League
to bring forward the question for a total repeal ; and although
his vote may Ise considered by the League as unpopular, yet
he should give it in favour of the Government measure.
The Earl of MARCH then rose and said that it had been
remarked by the Hon. Gentleman opposite that the Govern-
ment were not safe in going into the lobby with his (the Earl
March's) friends, but he confessed he was at a loss to know
where they would be perfectly safe.—(Cheers and laughter.)
The Hon. Gentleman tells them that the Right Hon. Baronet
was not safe at his side of the House, and he thought a circum-
stance had taken place which would make the Right Hon.
Baronet the S. cretary for the Home Department not par-
ticularly safe on that question.—( Great cheers and laughter.)
But he (the Earl of March) thought that the Governm nt
might go out into the lobby of the House without meeting
with any particular inconvenience.—( Laughter.) He would
not trouble the House with any further observations, but for
a remark which had fallen from the lion. Member for Stockport.
He states that a noble relative of his had expressed a wish
to vote for an immediate repeal of the corn-laws, which state-
ment he begged leave distinctly to contradict. His noble rela-
tive stated, teat supposing it was inevitable that the measure
of her Majesty's Government were to be carried, and perma-
nently adopted, his Noble Friend said that he would prefer the
total and immediate repeal to the repeal in three years time.—
( Loud cheers from the tree-traders ) That was what his noble
relative stated, that the total and immediate repeal would be
better than the repeal in three years, supposing the measure
were to pass permanently into a law—(Cheers.) He should
maintain that it was incumbent on the Government of the
country, and the ministry, brought forward as they were by a
majority of 91 in favour of protection of industry ; that before
they brought forward such a measure as the present, they
should in common justice and honesty appeal to the people of
tee country—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. HUDSON said that reference having been made to
him, he would trouble the Howe for only a very few moments.
The lion. Member for Stockport had strangely misrepresented
what had fallen from him (Mr. Hudson) on a former overiing.
On that occasion he stated most distinctly that in his belief
the probable average of the price of wheat would be from 35'.
to 40s. per quarter. The Hon. Member hail threatened them
with the ghost of the Anti-Corn-law League. Now he had
the honour of meeting the Anti-Corn-late League in Sunder-
land, mei he believed he had routed them there.—( Protectionist
cheers.) He then wished to warn that body that there was
nothing which the people felt more jealous of than the pro-
ceedings of that body, acting as it was in the endeavour to
manufacture voters, and practising intimidation and deception.
lie felt it his duty to state that when the question came to the
vote, he would be with the Right Hon. Baronet. lie did not
know where the Hon. Member for Stockport spent his Sun-
days, whether with market gardeners or others, gleaning his
information, but he (Mr. Hudson) had formed his views from
the experience of men well acquainted with the subject. Now
be thought the three years would give the farmers time to sew
their land, and make such improvements as would enable them
to meet the competition of the continental produce. Indeed
he hoped the Right Hon. Baronet's measure would be successful.
lie also hoped that if carried, the farmers, who were preyed to
be injured by the change, will have some compensation. For
this reason he would give his support to the measure for the
three years.
Lord WORSLEY rose, but from the noise which prevailed
in the House he was !imperfectly heard ; he was understood to
say that the farmers were most anxious that a settlement
should take place upon the question, and that an immediate
repeal should take place.
Colonel SIBTHORP and Mr. VILLIERS rose together,
but the latter gave way at the call of the House. The Hon.
Gentleman said that he would not presume to trespass on the
time of the lieu e, having occupied so large a portion of it
on a previous evening, were it not that he had one or two obser-
vations to offer, and be thought that the Hon. Member opposite
was about replying, previous to a division.—( Hear, hear.) lie
wished to take this opportunity to deny emphatically that the
tenant-farmers were in favour of immediate repeal. He con-
sidered that they ought to restore the franchise to Sudbury, in
order that the two rejected Members of the Government might
have seats in that House—( Roars of laughter)—or, in the event
of their rejecting his proposition, they might adopt the practice
which existed in France, of electing certain elembersof
the Government without any appeal to the constituent
Sud-
bury
body.—( Hear, hear.) At any rate he could only say that
for the
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Mr. WAKLEY and Mr. NEWDEGATE rose together
amidst Loud cries of " Withdraw," and " Divide," bat the
latter gave way to the Hon. Member for Finsbury, who pro-
ceeded to say that, he regretted exceedingly to find that
the lion. Member for Wolverhampton, intended to persist in
dividing the House on his motion.—( Hear, hear.) However,
much he might approve of his intention, and however lightly
he might commend his motives, he could not conceive that a
more inexpedient course than this could be pursued by any
Member who was friendly to the prepositions of the
Honourable Gentleman. lie believed, however, that the
Hon. Member persisted in his intentions in conformity with
a pledge which he had given elsewhere, and consequently that
he did not feel at liberty to abandon the course which he had
hitherto pursued. He deemed this, however, most inexpedient,
becanse out of doors it must cause an impression that those
who were favouratile to the measure of the Government, had a
divided opinion on this great question, but in reality there was
no division, and he knew, that after a short deliberation those
who would now vote with the Hon. Member would be, if they
were not now, determined advocates of the measure proposed
by her Majesty's Government.—(Dear,) Hon. Gentlemen
might consider that a contrary opinion was entertained, but he
knew from the attention which he had given to the subject that
they were wrong, and that the people were dissatisfied with them.
The Noble Lord had claimed the election of Westminster as a
proof of public opinion on this subject. Why there were two
candidates for Westminster, one of them had been long in
favour of the repeal of the corn-laws, the other had but lately
got some new light on the question.—( Laughter.) Did they
choose the one who had adopted what might be deemed a
transitory opinion ? or did they elect the one who had for years
advocated the principle of a total abolition of the corn-laws ?
They elected the latter—why then claim this election. The
Whigs had no right to claim it as decisive in favour of their views,
for only two years since Westminster had three candidates.
The Hon. and Gallant Member who had been lately chosen,
was one of the three, and the Whig, Tory, or Radical might be
said to be represented in one or other of the candidates. The
electors chose the Radical then, and Hon. Gentlemen might be
very sure that Radicalism was in the ascendant since. He re-
gretted that this motion had been brought forward chiefly
because it might lead those out of doors to suppose that there
was a division on the subject of this great measure. He could
state from his intercourse with the middle and the working
classes that the impression was almost universally abroad that
the Right lion. Baronet had done all he could do on this sub-
ject. Everybody was full of this exclamation, and.they added
that when they reflected on the position in which the Right
Hon. Baronet was placed, they were of opinion that he could
not do more than he had already dine, and that they owed him
a debt of gratitude for it. An Hon. Gentleman opposite said
they must go to the country. Another lion. Gentleman saidt
they must go to the people. But they know very well
know
what would not go to the people. If they really wished to
to the
what was the opinion of the people, let them 1e
elections—let them look to the show of hands.—
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hands.—(Laughter from
the people,
the protectionist party.) They spoke
of
going instroead of gong
why, the people had hands as well as they.
hadthe ell' f
the food at their command, but they
would not appeal to
to the people, they went to those who s ing o
classes, who were obliged to create
tthl'eat poorfood. ign What9rant could be more unjust than this?
If the House was desirous of deferring this diseussioo to

r another night he would have no objection, though he was most
unwilling that it should be put forward any longer, because up
to this time all the arguments at the ether side had stibstan-
tially proved the case of those at this side.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE said that the Hon. Member for Lin-
( con had given his opinion that the tenant-farmers of this coun-
try were in favour of total repeal. He had had the pleasure of
meeting many intelligent farmers 'a ithin an hour before he
entered that House. He admitted that many of them felt bitter
disappointment at the sudden and unaccountable change which
they witnessed in the feeling of those whom they trusted, and
that. under the influence of such feelings, such an expression
might have escaped them ; but he denied that the opinions of
the tenant-farmers in this country were in favour of total and
immediate repeal, as mere beneficial to their interests. With
reference to what had been said by the Hon. Member
for Finsbury, be would confirm what that Ilon.
Member had said, that there was a democratic and radical
feeling arising in this country.—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. VILLIERS said that the Hon. Member for Warw;ek-
shire had denied what had been positively asserted on that side
of the House, and told them what had passed between himself
and his tenants —(Mr. Newdegate, " Oh, no.") Me would
prove that the principle of protection had nothing to do with the
interests of the tenant fernier, and they did not at all trouble
themselves about it. The Hon. Memtur for Finsbury could
certainly not teach him what protection was, for he
had advised the House to take :he sense of the country by a
show of hands, as did also the lion. Member for Aberdeen.
Oil the policy of bringing forward this motion at the present
time he Inuit exercise his own judgment. Ever since he had
been in the practice of submitting this proposition to Parlia-
ment, he had been told he was in the wrong in the course he
took, but judging of the events of the present session, it
wood seem as if he had taken the right course. He
would say nothing against Honourable Metul.ers on this
side of the Howe supporting the measure of the Govern.
ment iu preference to the amendment, and he did not think
that the Hon. Member for Finsbury would loose arty popu-
larity by the course he intimated he should take. Tnere was
no populari yto be gained whichever side he might vote on,
as far as the two propositions before the House was concerned.
He was astonished at the Hon. Member for Lynn saying he
would not support the amendment, as he had told them (the
free trailers), they dare not bring it forward against the
Government measure, lest they (the protectionists) should
support it. Now, it seemed the delay was considered valuable,
as it would enable them to have an election before free trade
could come into operation, and that they might succeed in
defeating it. They need not calculate on that, as it was in
vain for them to expect the restoration of the present system
of protection if once the Government measure was carried
The fanners were indifferent to it, as a proof of which, he
would refer to the fact, that on Saturday last, when the account
of the division was sent to the country, the farmers in various
places where the news was carried did not seem to care a
straw about it. The Hon. Member, haviiig referred to some
other points, referred to by previous speakers, concluded by
pressing his amendment on the House.
The gallery was then cleared for a division.
On our re-admission into the gallery there appeared—
For the Amendment 7B
Against it
265
Majority
'flat COAL- W IPPE RS' ACT.
On the motion of Sir GEORGE CLERK, leave was ob-
tained to introduce the Bill to continue and amend the Coal.
whippers' Act.
Captain LAYARD aslied if the Government was prepared
to lay upon the table of the House any returns of the number
of suicides committed to the end of the year 1845?
Mr. SIDNEY HERBER is said that as there was no dis-
ti,iet register of them there would be some difficulty in obtain-
ing, the returns alluded to.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at half-past One o'clock.
PAR,LIAM

EN TAlt, Y DIVISIONS.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of. the House of Commons.)
TUESDAY, MARCH 3.
CUSTO3IS AND CORN IMPORTATION.
(IN TIIE COMMITTEE.)
Motion made, and Question proposed, " That, in lied of the Duties
now payable on the importation of Corn, Grain, Meal, or Flour,
there shall be paid, until the Ist dad• of February, 1849, the following
Duties :"—Amendment proposed, to leave out the words "In lieu
of" in order to insert the words " all Duties on imported Corn do
now cease and determine," instead thereof:—Question it
" That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Question :"
Time Committee divided :

MAJORITY—AYES, 265.
:lcland, Sir T. Drummond, H. Lygon, Gen.
Adana, T. D. Duckworth, Sir J. Macaulay, T. B.
A'Court, Captain Duke, Sir J. Mackenzie, T.
Acton, Colonel Duticombe, T. Mackenzie, W. F.
Athierley, C. /1. Buncombe, A. 31 Geachy, F. A.
Aglionby, 11. A. Du Pre, C G Mahon, Viscount
Alford, Viscount Egerton, Sir P. Mangles, R. D.
Allix, J. P. Egerton, Lord F. Manners, Lord C.
Antrobus, Edmund Ellice, Edward
anners,;Lord J.
Arbutlimott, Hugh Emlyn, Viscount March, Earl of.
Archbold, Robert Entwisle, W. Martin, C. W.
Astell, William - -Feilden, William Martin, T. B.
Austen, Colonel Ferguson, Sir R. Masterman, John
Bagge, William Ferranti, W. 13. Mettle, Fox .
Bagot, William Filmer, Sir E. Miblmay, 11. St.Johu
Bailey, Joseph, jun. Finch, G Mimes, R. M.
Baillie, Colonel Fitzmaurice, C. Morgan, 0.
'Utile, 11. J Fitzroy, Henry Napier, Sir Charles
Bailie, Walter Fleetwood, Sir P. Neville, Ralph
llaiikes,iGeorge Flower, Sir J. Newdegate, N.
Barkly, Henry Forster, 3lattliew Norreys, Sir D.
Baring, F. T. Fox, S. L. O'Brien, A. S.
Baring, Thomas Fuller, A. E. Packe, C. W.
Baring, W. B. Gardner, J. D. Palmer, R.
Barnard, E. G. Gaskell, J. M. Palmer, G.
Barrington, Viscount Gladstone, J. N. Palmerston, Via,
Bateson, Thomas Wynne, Sir S. Patten, J. W.
Beckett, William Gordon, Hon. Capt. Peel, Sir Robert
Bell, Matthew Gore, Montague Peel, Jonathan
Benbow, Joint Gore, Robert Pennant, Colonel
13einett, John Goring, C. Philips, G. It.
Bonet, Philip Goulburn, henry Polhill, Frederick
Bentinck, Lord G. Graham, Sir J. Pussy, P.
Berestord, Major Granby, Marqule of Rashleigh, W.
Bernal, Ralph Grey, Sir G. Reid, Sir John
Bodkin, W. 11. Grogan, E. Reid Colonel
Bolder°, 11. G. Hale, R. B. Repton, G. W.
Borthwick, Peter Raiford, Sir 11. Bart. Rolleston,:Colone/
1:4dIleld, Beriall Hall, Col. Round, John
1;0, es, Joint; Hamilton, W. J. rumbold, C. E.
Bowles, Admiral Hamilton, Lord C. Russell, Lord John
Boyd, John Hamner, Sir John Ryder, G. D.
Brainston, T. W. Harcourt, G. G. Sandon, Viscount
Wise°, 31. Ilatton, Captain licott, F.
Ilroadley, 11. Hawes, Benjamin Seymour, Lord,
Broadwood, H. Henley, J. W. Sheridan, R. B.
Brooke, Sir A. 11. Herbert, Sidney Stilt ley, E. J.
Browne, W. Hervey, Lord A. Sibthorp, Colonel
Bruce, Lord E. Hildyard, 'l'. It. Smith, Abel
Bruce, C. L. C. Bind..., J. 11. Smith, J. A.
Buck, Lewis W.' llobliouse, Sir J. stnytbe, George
Buller, Charles 1 1 Ofigson, R. Smollett, A.
Buller, sir J. Y. Pope, Sir J. Somerton, Viscount
Butler, I'. S. hope, Al. xandeir Spooner, B.
Campbell, S r H. Hope, (i. W. Spry, Sir S.
Cardwell, Edward Ilortiby, Jolla Stanley, E.
Carta', le, Captain liorsman, Edward Stanley, W. 0.
Cavendish, G. li, Hothatn, Lord Stanton, W. 14,
Cayley, Edward S. 114,ward, C. W. Stewart, John
Chandos, Marq. of Howard, E. G. Stuart, Iletry
Chelsea, Vise. Howard, P. H. Stuart, J.
Chichester, Lord J. II tisOn, George Sutton, Henry
Cldblers, J. W. Hughes, W. it. Thesiger, Sir F.
Churchill, Lord A. S. Hume, Joseph Thompson, All.
Clerk, Sir G. thirst, R. 11. Tomline, George
( lifton, J. 'l'. Hussey, T. Trench, Sir F.
Clive, Viscount lrton, S. Tamil, Henry
Cockburn, Sir G. James, William Vernon, G. U.
Cole, H. A. J ermyn, Earl Vivian, J. 11.
Colebrooke, Sir T. Jocelyn, Viscount Vivian, J. E.
Collett, W. R. Johnstone, Sir J. 'Vivian, Captain
Colguli, un, John Johnstone, Iloilo Vyse, It.
Compton, 11. C.
Jollitte, Sir W. 11. Waddington, 11. S.
Connolly, Col. . Jones, Captain Wakley, Thomas
Corry, Henry Kelly, Sir Fitzroy Walpole, S. 11.
Courtenay, Lord Kemble, 11. Walsh, Sir J. 11.
Cowper, W. F. Kirk, Peter Wehlcsley, Lord C.
Craig, W. G. Knight, F. W. Wilshero, W.
('ripps, William Labonehere, Henry Wodehouse, E.
Davies, I). A. e.. Lambton, 11. 'Wood, Colonel T.
I)ewles, NV. Law, Hon. C. E. Wersley, Lord
Denison, E. B. Lawson, A. Wortley, J. S,
D'Eyncourt, C. T. Legh, G. C. Wrightsou, W. A.
Dickinson, F. 11. Lemon, Sir C. Wyndham, Colonel
Disraeli, B. Lennox, Lord H. Yorke, E. T.
Dodd, G. Liddell, 11. T.
Douglas, Sir H. Loch, James
Douglas, Sir C. Lockhart, A. E.
Douglas, J. D. S. Lockhart, NV.
1)ouro, Marquis of Lyall, George

TIN'LLERS.
Young, John

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RIINORITY-NOES, 78.
Bannerman, A, Evans, Sir De Lacy Parker, John
Berkeley, Craven Ewart, William Mattison, James
Berkeley, Captain Fielden, Joint Pechell, Captain
Berkeley, 11. F. Ferguson, Colonel Philips, Mark
Blewitt,:lteginald Fitzroy, Lord C. Pluinrido, Captain"
llouverie, E. P. Fox, C. It. Protheroe, Edward
Bowling, Dc, Gibson, T. M. Roes, D. It.

BrothettOn. J.
Hall, Sir Benjamin Russell, Lord E.
Busfeild, William llastie, Archibald Stansneld, W. R.
Chapman, R.llindley, Charles Staunton, Sir a,
Christie, W. D. Holland, Robert Stuart, Lcrd J.
Cobden, Richard Langston, .T. 11. Strait, Edward
Colborne, W. It. y Laard, Captain Tancred, H. IV.
Collett, John M'Carthy, Alex. Thornely, Thomas
Crawford, W. S. M'Taggart, Sir J. Trelawny, J. S.
Currie, Itaikes Marjori banks, S. Troubridge, sir B,
Dalmeny, Lord Marshall, William Walker, Richard
Dalrymple, Captain Martin, John Warburton, Ilenry
Dennistoun, John IStitcalfe, Henry
Duncan, Viscount
.13111 nti)trtrel '1)1 eitettli'll ,G'Nie:o.l.ll.Age. count
,x
xialall wl
it:E',m:icjish. Charles
e. Samuela
Duncan, George
eill),aviDadniel Yorke, H. R.
I nualas, Admiral
lE,:ibirici?, tEo.l,l,iiliils.count
O'Connell,
Elphinstone, 11, O'Connell, M. J. TELLEES.
Escort, Bickham O'Connell, John Villiers, Charles
Etwall, Ralph Oswald, James Bright, John

PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS.
(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.)
TUESDAY, MARCH 3.
The following Petitions r Railways were reported, and WI UIS
erdered to be brought in lsyfo the undernamed Hon. Meuabers :
B
North Staffordshire (Pottery Line)—Mr. Adderley, Mr. Ricardo, and
Mr. Alderman Cope'mid.
Grind Trunk, or Stafford and Peterborough Union Railway—Captain
Carnegie and Sir Robert Heron.
Dundee and Arbroath (Extension)—Lard Hallyburton & Mr. Duncan.
Leicester and Bedford—Mr. Ellis, Mr. 11. Steart, and Mr. Maunsell.
Coventry, Nuneaton, Birmingham, and Leicester—Sir IL Halford,
Mr. Packe, and Mr. Villiers.
Lancashire and North Yorkshire—Mr. 0. Buncombe, Lord E. Bruce,
and Mr. Entwisle.
Liverpool anti Preston and Manchester and Southport—Mr Patton.
Mr. Clifton, and Viscount Sandon.

STANDING ORDERS' COMMITTEE.
The following resolutions were reported from this Committee:-
1. That, in the case of the Dundee and Arbroath Railway Exten-
sion petition, the standing orders ought to be dispensed with :—That
the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill.
2. That, in the ease of the Leicester and Bedford Railway petition,
the standing orders •light to be dispensed with :—That the parties
be permitted to proceed with their Bill.
3. That, in the case of the Norfolk Railway Extension (Stow-
market, Wymondliam, and Attleborough Lranch) petition, the
standing elders ought to be dispensed with:—That the pantos be
permitted to proceed with their Bill.
4. That, in the case of the North Staffordshire Railway (Potteries
line) petition, the standing orders ought to be dispensed with That
the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill.
and 5.
SouthportThat, in t the zsaeyof
petitionti the
t LiverpoolstaismligProeis.dteornsavnugd
illa,tift(tucblieestes theirr.
lensed with:—That the parties be permitted to proceed

6. That, in the case of the Lancashire and :Korth Yorkshire Rail-
way petition, the standing orders ought to be dispensed with :—That
the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill.
7. That, in the ease of the Wear Dock Hallway Petition, the stelndo
lug orders ought to he dispensed with:—That the parties be per,
witted to proceed with their BM.
8. That, in the case of the Lynn and Ely, and Ely and Hunting-
don, and Lynn and Dereham Railway Companies Ainalgamauon
petition, the standing order ought not to be dispensed with.
9.
That in the case of the Berks Fund Hants Railway (Mungerford
Extension) petition, the standing orders ought not to be dispeusect
with.
10. That, in the case of the Coventry, Nuneaton, Birmingham, and
Leicester Railway petition, the standing orders ought to be
pensed with :—That the parties t e permitted to proceed with their
1. That, in the case of the Manchester and Leeds Hallway Ex.
tensions petition, the standing orders ought to be dispensed
with
:
That the parties he permitted to proceed with their Bill.
12. That, in the case of the Grand Trunk or Stalle.rd and Peter-
borough Railway petitio, teethe standing orderS ought to be dispousedt
with :—That the parties permitted to p eed with their Bill,
13. That, in the case of the Exeter, Yeovil, and Dorchester PAeg.
way petition, the standing rders ought to :be dispensed with :
That the parties be permitted t proceed with their Bill, on iaserting
a clause, restraining them from compulsorily taking the lands In
'respect of which the names of William Vickery, Richard Granger. John Chard, and William Hayman, were incorrectly inserted in the
lists of assents to the
14. That, fa the case of the Newcastle-upon-Tyne Improvement
petition' the Stltildin‘ orders ought to be dispensed with :—That the