The Sun.
London, England, 1846-03-14 00:00:00

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He .could only say that the Bill for giving ineress ,
fe
authority to the Board of Works had only passed 5. ea
days since, and three days ago authority had who been e..
to the Board of Works in Clare and Meath, oe
tress was supposed most to exist, to put the Act in ?coo
ation, and if there was any delay it proceeded only r
the necessary choice to. be made of some substaata"
work.
Mr. POULETT SCROPE observed that if anYdlit'ogt
would justify an Irish or an English Member it
L up the question of the repeal of the 'EMI: the
was the fact of his Seeing, year after year, that ;Le,
Irish people were not treated as the English by tli f
gislature of the country. What was the case °„ the
people of England? They had a first claim ur'eo.
produce of the land. In England, as long as
hs wrosll the
isted, he could not be allowed to starve ; ee. reobe
landed proprietor could take a penny of his :Inroad
poor man should be saved from starving. I t beta
such was not the case, and equal justice had ne
done. Now, with regard to the 'proposition of thetooel
Member for Limerick, that the land of Ireland Suand
be made responsible for the wants of the peoPle'„ sia
that they should not come to seek eleerausrariVast
from England, he could by no means assent to it. f the
he would recommend would be the adaptation ° of
poor-law system to the proper organisatioatbei
in-door and out-door relief ; for surelf fonts
were not to wait until a man was. Prssidef.
from fever before they would grant bit° deb'
If fever were the produce of famine, theii flrresiieef Beteyour should be to remove the cause. If
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to be afforded, it ought to be so before
stet'
unhappy individual reached that state °I eon'
ration, when famine was its necessfYeasK
comitant. It was u-ged that there might ee wbicb
of imposters seeking that compassion and suPPL,,,,,,osta
they did not require. They would discover an Ile be'
by giving him a hard task of labour—but he eon, or
seech them not to refuse food which was absolateilbeeo
eessary to maintain health. An absentee-tar 11%01
tai
proposed. Now he considered that the best
could be applied would be one levied on the Priunecireelet;
the poor-rate, inasmuch as it would be one on t' the
of Ireland. He was one of those that consiiler; fltst
property had its rights as well as duties—and the their
duty of landed proprietors was, not to petal ell 1°""
tenants to starve.—(Hear, hear.) Ile did 11 ed
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impeach the landlords of Ireland, but he deft,, tang
House to deny that there were many individual goe,
where landlords in Ireland did not do their elatYino„let
were they to distinguish 'between them ?. 1,11 eislelee'
theywell
himnepwosetdhatthethderuetywboyulldawh,ebmecaanu3s.e the 'jell elle'.
men would' not do their duty unless cominp
In Ireland the po +r-rate did not yield more ,tibaed foe!
pence in the pound, whilst in England it yjoutddr,
three to four shillings, so the Irish proprietors c;0
complain of being overcharged, manhe propose" " orteec
carried out, As there would bey other oPP,herilr
elliolcet'nodt°s;
ties of discussing the question, he would not ferl die?
taro the House, but he could not avoid reak?,,gste°
„into-
feeroliservations, as he held very strong
the subject. the°
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Mr. BANKES said that it appeared to him 540 e,
was now forced upon the attention of the Tloniscof ever:
tion, which must have occurred to the minue, oele-a*
gentleman, that when the Government were -twate
sion of all these important facts, it was their in ad'
duty to have called together the Parliament es%flePt
month of November. If such a course bad 1)&11 bele'
this difficulty could not have occurred,. and 'trial 51erf
the present time the full effects of these henc-00d to°
sures would have been in operation; andtilllfese°s to
diminishing the fever, they might have ha" losethis
hope of preventing it altogether. He was 3t e
know what answer the Government cou'el
question? They acknowledged that
thtilhettl -ce ;
in possession of that information
virr
duced uneasiness and disquiet in efillst, the
and surely the natural means to have „o Plete
waseto have called together the Parliarne- tare- a,
earliest possible period, and thus the meal's. i
the existing distress would by the/150013 ret:
be circulated through the country. Pie r 00
having heard the speech of the Recorder for I,r
that the comments on it had been must sr:01030o
words were " that having been last week in °tight bet
felt it a relief to his mind to state that he t;,.-atedeere
extreme accounts of distress had been exaget-bose:aei
that he did find the distres to be very great." he e'elf,
the sentiments of his Right Hon. Friend, an .0 is)10
to know, did he betray an,y want of feeling 1 seteber
" that he it felt a relief to his mind to be able t° afe3de
truth?" With respect to the speech ofithe isret,oo
rented.
be I
a Ie
permanent
for Finsbury, it had also been much eiggester
rbmyanneont°Ser
means said
onlythat his e a ito
would •
Iporary. He' said, you intend to give theta P
what food will do. , l,
Sir VALENTINE BLAKE egret'coneurrane-"
sure brought forward by the Right Hon. '°„s„.
addition to the measures in contemplation 1,1.'" oroe, i• e,
of the destitution of Ireland, he suggested Ter: oe.
of purchasing estates, and apportioning tue",:tsl•tel'
small lots among the people at a reasonable rtreptee st
this were adopted, he considered that the gf poet/
vantages would accrue, and the recurrence °noel. „tog
present so prevalent would be entirely prove" fjo
Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN rose to explain;
or
not make any strictures on the speech t •io
Member for Tyrone. He wished merely. ti76,eliebTof
said would be distinctly understood. Illy pee gt,ee,
common with those Of his countrymen,
exasperated with the sums of money wine a ?
granted for the relief of the poor of Ire's°, 11110
• f
what was the whole amount of this rellelosaett loi
amounted to 100,0001. All the rest yeas,; ooenilleP
sum which was annually drawn out of t`-‘ie aw"htler
absentees amounted to four or five million-0V
and the quantity of cattle, pigs, bacon, &celioe to the
every year exported for the purpose of erg " 110 be
to make up this sum was incredible: t
would allow these four or five milli° thee°,
spent in Ireland, he would allow if ;0f
take back the grant of 100,000/. duce; et:f
ment had met in November last, and Prrelsl.tli
sures for the relief of the destitution in 0;4100 e
when they had met they had taken the c°
,„e ttledit)
serious consideration, instead of hurry the lie' 1
coercion Bill, they would not be now under t, on
of discussing such a measure as the preset not
Mr. MILES said, that if 100,0001. Wa,5,1;3t
to meet the wants of Ireland, he believe(' ward ere
House of Commons was ready to come Phr
grant of ten times that amount. What '4:4 it."
of, however, was, that while they were tu-were Poetlee
051 e c° of
measures for their relief, immense nuroheele 0111;e0ebrike
ionnge.remTehdeyrhouptlemawnaynrteedmeemdipelso;yamnedn, to; tThooteii"
for Weymouth stated, every means that I'ooo o
to adopt, every channel by which relief c feirraor;
municated, should be made use of, for aid etrt/')°,o
averting the impending misery. lle e$ it
ever place entire reliance upon the,nded iree
of Government. A great deal d4teeloctl'alll:,
local boards. The ,assistance of Irish ge.nrge to tltese'l'i
clergymen and priests, would also be reetn,he 01300-,
exertions of the Government, and to self hehesle
ing famine. As they had returns on the tai, tete,
like to know if the return he moved for eariletoraofti:
sion was among them? He had moved fin aretallirtbga
highest price of potatoes. If they ban °at it P,,.f
kind for the last seven years, it would ueeelsn"
adjunct to these papers. The people nff ientlier tijicoo
been said were starving in the midst 0 ifave beurot
were exporting that which they should before Isoelleof
own sustenance. Now, if they bad en editioe,e
report to which he alluded, it would be con r rro
barometer by which they could gauge I,b bette, o°o
the people of Ireland, as there could be,
priee te,ip
rion to judge of its extent than these to hsoteare
give. Another return which he would llizsool test
the capacity of the poor houses of Tree were 0, ap`of
inmates, and the number of pauper; "ore n° We' id
sent receiving relief in them. They ,d be
to ect hospitals, and he hought it eeotees, 0,5 it r
re
they knew the numbers int the union hos subjectto 00:1
enable'them to have clearer views on th,e.s eta 1301.0°
sent under discussion. He thought ito!ilit goat 0
these few remarks, and he hoped the °:•11
would give the returns which he reetlirer., 0(11
Sir J. GRAHAM, who was scarcee(ern 10tbe
understood to say that the first r
ece to 00 el
the Hon. Gentleman referred—in referreuthose betio
of potatoes—was to be found among,7 yea see 01,
table. It did not extend over a period
they
to 'Aft r'„,
was comprehensive enough to enable.
;0e1,701,1
potatoes had attained a very great Pric,ewith Is, fe
rier
spect to those which were not affeetee_tht
th
that if they were kept for another In" tare, ' bee'la
ence to the number of inmates, which„„.,ber °feelieeti 111
be utterly -destroyed. As to the latter the rico
were calculated to contain, and the ne-ving e/ol
who were at present actually recetieee it"e
them, he had no objection to Prn,ioo, the Ore
reference, however, to the present goes' did o,°ll lire'
be quite useless. The Hon. Gentleman_
Pot lot
to understand the object which the Pres,o too!!
view, or he would not think it necessarcy_''vviob ter Yoj
turns which had no immediate connexiane teot norita
to etch aloha:osi
Mr. FITZGERALD was hapPY.
jesty's Government were introduclvst ‘tberf,,:ietited
the present. He thought, however, 1:1`
ee sdoPoe
too great a delay in bringing them 11)nr_roo
ought to have met in October last, a.,naary to
e„rte,
those measures which were nee!' well vibiogi,ell,
impending evils. It was then Pealed,
and
110,4 o,
that the crops in Ireland had La_ihsse,
been as yet done to alleviate the dlstiti:ring,
00.".0
the people in that country ed
were.
("17;21,e be
now the month of March. No hoe, god sl""ii
or hear 0 ye°l'
greatly afraid that they had seesns 4.00 the distress which at present pre"l bo ele
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portion of it. There were no (!,. hbotirSd, ea
a state of destitution in his wet' nets ropOSV 009
tbe °Pin,3
would give it his cordial support; some of C e
Mr. VILLIERS was surprised 71 „bat goo_ th,
was glad that the present measure was P
of the Hon. Member for Somerseo.
disastrou!, c :48;
man appeared to think not s v„,,ety',.et, 0 113eo
portation into this country of "
ra' ;er, 7110"ald bea
&c., from Ireland. Let whichlon.c., evil nr° n. 'oe4
this here, feel
to that Hcn. Member these, caoew er irelf
rid of. Let them get artiFieesf the
_Pe oleeff
apprehension which he entertain ff
effects which their importation cau.sotdof theold o
of
csr he
removed. There was another pold L By AlYrepp
bet's to which he would briefly etmearill roe ofekeit
ing out his benevolent intend° sa4 coalic
would restrict the manufacture:l;24a of. :nee anatbse
countr. He (Mr. Villiers) inor.
would just ask any man to lo lc 2' were /Were o'o4
500,000 or 600,000 of the Irish pe?,ll'seeuntqe.eibe,ad
r
employment by the rnanufatrires oitttft; ,reore
a ts G$P ssbfj
theories, and don
land. Let him reflect that titer% who Oar for
disposed of these two theo
and the thf' ro
by the Hon. Member for Limerior
.f Stroud eeuief° e.
forStroud. The Hon. Member
or Ireland . -
not wonder that the gentlemen .0_
Somerset, he would now come totkhe sell e 000' t heel
and demanded. a- repeat of the mu n•