The Sun.
London, England, 1833-12-31 00:00:00

" TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES.

" Sir,—Absence from town has prevented my replying
earlier to the strictures of ' A Dissenter and Presbyterian,'
nor should I now think his letter required any lengthened
answer, if the misrepresentations contained in it were not
,o extremely disproportioned to the slender web of.argu-
ment.
" He begins by a most palpable misstatement. He says
I ' assume that episcopacy must be right.' He no doubt
takes it for granted that be is dealing with one of those
high churchmen of Archbishop Laud's stamp, whose
, watchwards were No bishop no church.' What I did
gay was this :—' That episcopacy stood forth as the most
obvious form of ecclesiastical polity which the reformed
church of England could have chosen.' To have adopted
any other would have been to run counter to all antiquity.
But I am very far from asserting or believing that epis-
copacy has any claim to divine right : I consider it a
matter purely of expediency. So far from refusing to the
Scotch presbytery the name of a church,' I had it
expressly in my eye when arguing for the principle on
which Clint Oa vatatillalzuzcaz, ate founded , and / A/110r,
as much as your correspondent can do, till unjustifiable
attempts to introduce episcopacy into that country in the
17th century. lam not ashamed to say that Roman
Catholic establishments are clearly defensible on the broad
principle I contend for.

" With respect to episcopacy or presbytery lording
it' the one over the other, it is no reply to anything in
my letter ; nor do 1 see how it affects the question of a
national establishment of religion, representing the wishes
of a great majority of the people. Declamation is not
reasoning. Neither (as you aptly remarked) does the
' interference' of Churchme❑ with the religious opinions
of Dissenters convey more meaning. I should like to
know in what manner such interference is exercised.
The Dissenters have indeed to contribute to the main-

tenance of the Church, but they are equally obliged to
contribute to all the other institutions of the country that
are deemed by the Legislature advantageous to the state.
What should we think of a Republican objecting to the
support of a monarchy?
"I am asked what is to be done in case the nation be
equally divided between episcopacy and presbytery ? I
answer that the supreme power in the state is even in
that case bound to do what seenss best for the good of the
community. A national establishment of religion being
once deemed essential, must take place; and the form of
its institution will be decided, your correspondent may be
assured, without resorting to a physical conflict.
"In regard to the manner in which the church of
England got possession of its revenues, I thought the
history of that transaction had been quite notorious. I
will not deny that in the transfer from the Popish to the
reformed Church the parties concerned, and the tyrant
Henry at the head of them, too often served their own
ends ; but such acts must not be imputed to their episco-
pacy or the Church of England ; they sprang from
human avarice and selfishness, which pollute religious no
less than secular matters. But your correspondent would
have had these revenues, when once wrenched from the
grasp of priests and monks, thrown into the common
stock of the country.' This would indeed have been
spoliation.' Does he not see that the question at that

time was, not as to the funds, but the faith of the Church?
The wild idea of di.joining the Church altogether from
the State had not then entered into the imaginations of
men; and the Protestant Church inherited naturally the
revenues of its corrupted parent.
"As to the que'tion of Who was to be umpire' in
settling the disposition of the forfeited Church property,
I can hardly believe it is proposed in earnest. Who but
the supreme Parliament, upon whose sanction and support
our national Church has now rested nearly SOO years?
The sneer at their implied want of religious knowledge
tells nothing in the way of argument.
" I am aware that I am trespassing rather too far on
your indulgence; but I cannot permit the concluding
paragraph of Dissenter's' letter to pass without reply.
In appealing to the practice of all ages and countries in
supporting religious institutions connected with the state,
I certainly did include those of Pagan nations ; and unless
the ancient Greeks and Romans are entirely to forfeit
their character of wise legislators, I shall continue to
appeal triumphantly to them. To mention, as your cor-
respondent does, the Albigenses and Waldenses, as excep-
tions to my rule, is one of the most childish eva-
sions possible. How could these poor persecuted wretches
have a public establishment ? Surely he should have pro-
duced, as another instance, the apostles, and the infant
churches under the Pagan Roman empire.
" I hope my premises' have now been established.
My design in mentioning the few facts in my former
letter, notorious as they were, was not to give the Die •
centers (those of them who oppose the church of Eng-
land) any new information, but to remind them on what
foundation the alliance between Church and State is really
built. "I am, Sir, your obedient servant,
" London, Dec. 27. " A CHURCHMAN."
—Times.

A New York Paper, containing the Speech
of the American President, on the opening. of
the Congress, was yesterday received by the
North and South American Coffee-house. The
American and European systems differ in many
things. In the matter of Messages to the Le-
gislature, we think the advantage on the side
of the Americans. The affairs of a people ought
not to be concealed from that people. The
Speech of an American President affords always
a tolerably complete view of the domestic affairs
and the foreign relations of the people of the
United States. President Jackson commences
with announcing the prevalence of peace and
prosperity throughout the States. In the view
which he gives of foreign relations, those with
Britain take the first place. He alludes to the
question of the north eastern boundary, which
is not yet settled, but which he expects will
soon be settled. Adverting to the successful
negotiation with our Government for the erection
of light-houses on the Bahamas, he takes the
opportunity of expressing his gratification that
the intercourse. between the two people is be-
coming daily more extensive, and the sentiments
of mutual good will are constantly increasing.
The relations with France do not appear to be
so satisfactory. Something like disingenuous-
ness is insinuated against the Government of
Louis Philip. One part of the Message is
always looked to with interest in thiS country—
the financial. The Treasury Receipts for the
year will amount to more than 32 millions of

dollars. The Revenue from Customs will be
more than 28 millions ; and the Public Lands
will yield about three millions. The Expendi-
ture for all objects, including the public debt,
will not amount to 25 millions of dollars ; and a
large balance will thus remain in the Treasury
after satisfying all the appropriations chargeable
on the revenue of the year. The whole debt of
the United States on the Ist of Jan. next (to-
morrow), funded and unfunded, will be
4,764,082 dollars. In the course of next year
the debt will be completely extinguished. Well
may the President dilate on this proof of the
goodness of the government—
" We have waged two wars (he says) since we have
become a nation, with one of the most powerful kingdoms
in the world ; both of them undertaken in defence of our
dearest rights—both successfully prosecuted and honour-
ably terminated—and many of those who partook in the
first struggle, as well as the second, will have lived to see
the last item of the debt incurred in thee• necessary but
expensive conflicts faithfully and honestly discharged; and
we shall have the proud satisfaction of bequeathing to the
public servants who follow us in the administration of the

Government, the rare blessing of a revenue sufficiently
abundant, raised without injustice or oppression to our
citizens, and unencumbered with any burdens, but what
they themselves shall think proper to impose upon them."
This comes of paying only for necessary
services. While the Americans were enjoying
the blessings of a Government responsible to
themselves, the fruits •of the industry of the
people of this country were wrung from them to
be employed in maintaining corruption, at home
and abroad. England has great advantages over
the United States. She is equally secure from
foreign attack, and possesses greater facilities of
communication. But a boroughmongering Go-
vernment has been ingenious in contriving how
to waste her resources. No diminution of
the Tariff, is recommended •for the coming
year. But, as the debt will all be paid
off in the year, the President is anxious to
impress on the people the necessity of not
increasing the wants of the Government,
by unnecessary and profuse expenditure. The
language of the President with respect to the
Bank is that of strong accusation. He charges
the Bank with attempting to influence the pub-
lic officers by means of its money, and declares
that it was established by unquestionable proof
that it was converted into a permanent elec-
tioneering engine. The question, he says, is'
whether the people are to govern through their
representatives, or their decisions are to be con-
trolled by the power and money of a great Cor-
poration. This subject will, of course, be one
which will be keenly agitated in Congress. But
we suspect the Presidentwill come off victorious.
The idea of having shaken off the British yoke
to be subjecLed to a gicat. IllUlley
will hardly be palatable to the people of the
United States. The President alludes, with
great uneasiness, to the continual increase of
disasters in the steam navigation, and he recom-
mends to the State Legislatures to endeavour to
remedy the evil by penal legislation. He says
nothing respecting the colonization of the ne-
groes ; but alludes to the impossibility of the
Indians and Whites living within the same limits.
—Morning Chronicle.

COURT OF BANKRUPTCY, DEC. 30.

MR. DAVIDGE'S BANKRUPTCY.

A meeting of the creditors, under the fiat of bank-
ruptcy issued against Mr. Davidge, the late pro-
prietor of the Coburg Theatre (now the Victoria),
was held this morning, before Mr. Commissioner
WILLIAms, for the proof of debts and choice of
assignees.

Mr. Davidge, on his examination by the Learned
Commissioner, entered into a somewhat minute
detail of his misfortunes. He said his debts
amounted to about 8001., and he considered his pro-
perty would nearly pay his creditors in full. He
had 2001. ow ing him by Mr. Rutland, the Sheriff's
officer, which would be available ; he had besides
the lease of the City Theatre, on which he bad
within the last eighteen months expended 7501. ;
that lease he had deposited for 280/, and he thought
if properly sold it would realise the sum he had ex-
pended on the house; the lease had sixteen years to
run, and the theatre had been let at 101. a week—
he said he was, four years ago, worth nearly
10,000/., but he had suffered severe losses; be
lost considerably by the Liverpool Circus, and
within the last four years he lost on the Coburg
Theatre no less than 7,000/.

Mr. Commissioner W ILLIAMS inquired what was
the reason that he resorted to bankruptcy to clear
him from his difficulties ?

Mr. Davidge had been most cruelly oppressed by
one creditor, whose debt he tried, but in vain, to
settle.

The Official Assignee observed that Mr. Da-
vidge's books had been very accurately kept, and
his accounts appeared highly satisfactory.
The COMIISSIONER asked what allowance Mr.
Davidge expected ? He was sure that what he
asked would be allowed.

Mr. Davidge should decline any allowance, his
professional exertions would support him and his
family.

Mr. Commissioner WILLIAMS expressed himself
perfectly satisfied, and complimented Mr. Davidge
on his accounts, and the creditable appearance of his
affairs. He should be, be said, sorry to see a re-
spectable man, like Mr. Davidge, otherwise situated.
He hoped the City Theatre was still open.
Mr. Davidge replied in the affirmative. The
debts proved amounted to 300/. ; and a creditor,
named Simpson, was appointed assignee. The
second meeting is fixed for the 24th of January.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.

BOW-STREET.

A CONFIRMED DISCIPLE. OF BACCIIIIS.—On Sa-
turday last a gentleman, who gave the name John
Jones, was charged at this office with breaking a
quantity of glass and china in the Saloon in Covent-
garden Theatre on the previous evening, while in a
state of intoxication. He admitted the offence, and
was fined N., the value of the property destroyed,
which he paid, and was discharged. The same
person was yesterday morning brought up, charged
with refusing to pay a cabman two shillings, the
amount of the fare for the hire of his cab. The
defendant on this occasion gave the name Thomas
Millington.

The cabman stated that the defendant entered his
cab in the Strand, on Sunday morning at an early
hour, when, after driving him about to a numler of
hotels in the neighbourhood of Covent-garden,
where he was refused admittance, on his refusal to
pay his fare at six o'clock, he gave • himinto cus-
tody. He was very drunk at the time.
Mr. HALLS inquired of the defendant where was
his place of residence ?
The defendant was living at Greenwich.
Mr. HALLS said, that he
.thought his best way
would be to.return to his friends at Greenwich, and
endeavour in future to keep himself sober.
The defendant thought. he was 'perfectly capable
of judging as to the best course for him to pursue.
Mr. HALLS observed, that if he continued to
pursue his present course, he would in all probability
end his days in a prison.

The defendant did not want the Magistrate's ad-
vice.

Mr. HALLS replied, that it was his duty to give
him advice.

The defendant, in an under tone, said that he
might bully him, but that he should not attend to
his advice.

Mr. HALLS asked him if he had 4s. to pay the
cabman?—The defendant had not so much in his
pocket, but would pawn his gold watch which the
policeman had taken from him.
The constable produced the watch, which was a
hanthome gold hunter with appendages, and handed
it over to the prisoner, who ‘'as removed to the
lock-up until he should have paid the money.
MARLBORO UGH- STREET.
ASSAULT.—Mr. Robert Thighton, a gentleman
living at Shepherd's Bush, brought Captain Goad
before Messrs. CONANT and DYER, on a charge of
assault.

The complainant called at a club-house, No. 9,
Grafton-street, a few evenings ago, in the way of
business; and, having met Captain Coad in the
hall, he touched his hat to him, and said he should
be thankful if Captain Coad would settle a small
account which was betwixt .them. The Captain
replied, " You scoundrel, how dare you write such.
'letters to me as you have done ?" The complain-
ant answered, " If the letters caused any unpleasant
feeling, it was in his (Captain Coad's) power to put
an end to it, by paying the amount." Captain
Coad retorted, by saying, if he was master there,
he would kick him out of the house. After some
further altercation; complainant said, " If you do

not pay me, I will find a way to make you. You
are a mean fellow for giving me this trouble?'
Captain Coad, in a violent passion, replied," Call
me a fellow !" and then, foaming at the mouth,
snatched a knife off the table; and, had not the'
steward of the club stept in between them, some,
very serious injury, he believed, would have been
inflicted upon him.
In explanation of the charge, Captain Coad said,
the complainant had. repeatedly created a disturb-
ance at the General Service Clubhouse, in Grafton-
street, for a very trifling poultry account (about 16s.
6d,), which he alleged to have furnished to him at
the Club. The complainant had also written seve-
ral letters, containing expressions which no gentle-
man could possible endure ; when he accidently en-
countered him at the club-house, a few days ago,
he again made use of offensive expressions, and in-
sisted upon being paid his demand of 16s. 6d. He
(defendant) told him, if any sum was fairly due to
him, he should be paid, but with respect to the pre-
sent demand, no orders had been given by him for
the fowls alleged to have been provided. The com-
plainant replied, if he (Captain Coad) did not pay
him, he would serve him out, putting himself in a
fighting attitude, and applying the term " Cheat"
to him, which aggravated him greatly, and lie cer-
tainly did apply the epithet of scoundrel in return.
The steward of the club, when he entered the
room, in consequence of hearing the altercation, saw
the complainant standing in a fighting attitude be-
fore Captain Coad. To prevent violence, he found
it necessary to put the complainant out of the room.
The MAGISTRATES dismissed the warrant.

EMIGRATION.—A man named Pollard came to
this office to complain that the parish of St. James
had sent away his daughter, Caroline Pollard, to the
Cape of Good Hope, without his knowledge or
sanction.

About five years ago, having had the misfortune
to rose ioc %etre, ne bad found it Lc, apply
for parish relief, and accordingly succeeded in pro-
curing an order for the admission of his daughter,
Caroline Pollard, then about eight years old, into
the workhouse belonging to the parish of St.
James. From time to time he sent to the work-
house to make inquiries after her welfare, but when
a relative called there a few days ago, he
learned through her that his "dear child" had been
sent to a foreign country by the parish authorities.
Mr. Bryant could not help feeling the utmost
surprise that the man should have had the audacity
to come forward and make a complaint after the
conduct he had pursued towards his daughter, pro-
vided the girl in question was his daughter, which
indeed he had reasonable doubt of. The proposition
of the Society for the suppression of Juvenile Va-
grancy, to send out young, healthy girls to the Cape
of Good Hope, had been, he believed, generally
embraced by the Metropolitan parishes, and the
parish of St. James, perceiving at once the humane
and admirable objects of the Society, had made the '
requisite advance of 101. each girl, and had lately
sent away from the workhouse about a dozen young
female paupers. In all cases the consent of the
party was first obtained, and if she had friends or
parents, their consent was also solicited. Where
reluctance on either side was expressed, no attempt
or desire on the part of the parish was, adopted to
overcome it. In proof of which the parish had pro-
vided two lists, one of which was required to be
attested by the friends and relatives of the girl, to
show that the act had their entire approval, and the
other list was for the purpose of being attested by
the parties themselves, if they were orphans. Now
in the orphan list the name of Caroline Pollard ap-
peared, and during the five years she had been in
the house, it was never known that she had a father
alive, and the girl herself was quite ignorant that
she had a parent in existence. The man had never
called to make inquiries concerning his "dear child,"
as he now called Iser, and he very much doubted (if
he was her father) whether his application was not
founded on selfish motives. He bad questioned the
iturse and porter at the.workhouse, and they posi-
tively stated that no one claiming a near relationship
to the girl had called to see her during the five
years she was supported in the workhouse.
Mr. Newell, the omnibus proprietor, said the
complainant had been in his employ about fifteen
months, and having heard the particulars of his
case from his own lips, he thought it exceedingly
hard that his feelings as a father had not been con-
sulted with regard to the destination of his daughter,
and, therefore, he had taken the matter up with a
view of having the circumstances investigated.
11r. CONANT observed, no one felt a stronger
desire to pay respect to parental feeling, in whatever
class it might appear, than himself, but in the present
instance, he did not think the complainant was en-
titled to much sympathy.
Mr. Bryant thought he was justified in applying
to the Bench to commit the complainant, who had,
while in full work, and with only himself to support,
allowed his daughter to remain chargeable to the
parish.

The Magistrates thought that this point had
better be reserved for a future application.

QUEEN-SQUARE.

JUVENILE DEPRAVlTY.—Yesterday five boys,
whose ages varied from eight to twelve years, were
charged with stealing live links from the shop door
of an oilman residing in Chelsea.
Mr. GREGORIE, not wishing to send boys of such
tender years to a prison where their morals were
more likely to be contaminated than if they were
at liberty, ordered them to be remanded until their
parents or fziends could attend. In the course of
the day the parents of four of the prisoners came
to the office; but the father and mother of a boy
named Roxbury, about nine years of age, refused
to attend, they asserting to the policeman who
called upon them, that they did not care what be-
came of him. The fathers of three of the prisoners
promised to chastise their boys, and take greater
care of them in future; upon which
Mr. GREGORIE ordered them to be discharged.
The mother of the other prisoner did not like to
beat her child,who had never been in trouble before.

A policeman contradicted this, and informed the
bench that the boy had twice previously been in
custody. He (added the constable) was noted for
his daring character„and once a man was trans-
ported for robbing him of some money, which, it
subsequently transpired, the boy bad previously
taken from his father, and absconded with it.
Mr. GREGORIE severely lectured the mother for
the manner in which she was bringing up her child ;
and in conclusion observed that the prisoner was
an unhappy boy in having such parents.
The boy was then discharged, with a caution
never to be seen at the office again. As the parents
of the boy Roxbury refused to attend, the child was
detained until another application was made to his
parents to come and own him.
ASSAULT ON A POLICEMAN.—A journeyman
baker, named John Coppin, was charged with being
drunk and assaulting a policeman. It appeared that
a constable, named Rushton, of the L division, took
the prisoner into custody for being intoxicated, when
the prisoner caught the policeman by the stock, and
❑early strangled him.
The Magistrates convicted him in the penalty of
20s. for the assault, and, in default of payment, he
was committed to prison for fourteen days.