The Sun.
London, England, 1846-07-30 00:00:00

REPEAL ASSOCIATION.

SECESSION OF MR. SMITH
- - O'BRIEN, M.P.
EXTRAORDINARY PROCEEDINGS.
DUBLIN, TUESDAY EVENING, HALF-PAST SIX
O'CLOCK.—It was quite clear, both from the speech of
Mr. John O'Connell yesterday, and the line of policy
which it was generally understood the " Young Ire-
land" party would pursue, that a rupture in the Associa-
tion was inevitable. Those who thought so have not
been disappointed, though the result may have exceeded
their anticipations. On the conclusion of Mr. John
O'Connell's speech this day, which was chiefly confined
to a condemnation of the Nation newspaper fur its advo-
cacy of the principles of physical force, and an exposi-
tion of his father's policy with reference thereto,
M. MITCHELL (generally believed to be the editor
of the 11'ation) undertook the defence of that journal,
and was followed by
Mr. MEAGHER, who proceeded to explain the grounds
on which he diff-vd with Mr. O'Connell as tO the mo-
rality of using physical force for the achievement of
national objects. He could not concur in the opinion
propounded by Mr. O'Connell, that no political ameliora-
tion was worth the shedding of one drop of blod ; on the
contrary, he held that there were many benefits of a
national character which were well worth the expen .i-
-ture of much bloodshed. The young gentleman was
proceeding to illustrate his argument by historical re-
ferences of a revolutionary nature, when
Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL rose to order. He averred
that the line of argument pursued by Mr. Meagher was
totally unjustifiable, and might be productive of the very
worst consequences to the Association and to the
country at large.
Considerable uproar ensued.
Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN protested that he could see
nothing in the speech of Mr. Meagher that was at all
objectionable, and put it to the meeting whether they
would render themselves liable to the imputation of
being enemies to free discussion by refusing to hear his
friend.
Great confusion in all parts of the meeting at this
moment.

Mr. JOHN O'CoNNELL asserted that Mr. Meagher, by
advocating principles of physical force, and thereby
acting contrary to the fundamental rules of the Asso-
ciation, and to the resolutions recently adopted, vir-
tually ceased to be a member of the body. Unless
the Association agreed with him in his view of the
matter, he (Mr. J. O'Connell) would no longer continue
to be a member of it, and then they might adopt what-
ever rules or principles they wished.
A scene of the utmost confusion and excitement now
prevailed, in the midst of which Mr. Smith O'Brien,
accompanied by all the members of the " Young Ire-
land" party in the meeting left the hall, intimating
that they had ceased to be members of the repeal con-
federation.
After a short lapse of time, and when tranquillity was
somewhat restored,
Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL (who appeared to feel
deeply the situation in which he was placed) ex-
pressed his heartfelt sorrow at the course which Mr.
Smith O'Brien and his friends had thought proper
to pursue. Nothing in his mind could be more
calamitous to the cause of Ireland than the secession of
so many high-minded and talented individuals ; but in
acting as he had done, he was merely fulfilling the
dictates of his conscience, and what he conceived to be
his duty to his country. In moving the adjournment of
the Association to Monday next, he observed, that he
ht undertake to promise that on that day his father
would be present, who should endeavour, as far as in
him lay, to heal the wound which had just then been
inflicted on Ireland.
The meedng then separated.—Chronicle.

RAILWAY C0311111TTE14:S

(THIS DAY.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.

Room A.
TAW VALE EXTENSION RAILWAY.
SOUTH DEVON RAILWAY AMENDMENT
- • AND BitANCIIES.
This new Committee, consisting of Lord Sandys (chairman), Lord
(lallowaX. Marcluis•ar-gIY. Lord Blaney; and Lord Tenterdeu, which
was to have list to-day at eleven o'clock, did not assemble till some
minutes alter twelve o'clock. -
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Mr. TIIOMM—It is as bad as a pill. (To To
are not certain ; now, would you not have thought any one
out of his mind who had done so?—(Laughter.)
The UNDER-SHERIFF--That is hardly a fair question.
The witness continued that he could not tell the value of
the Pills, a' he (lid not know the ingredients, but the charge
was 10s. 6d. per dozen boxes.
The UsnEn-Sity.awr said that if the witness could not
say whet her there was an actual sale or not the verdict must
gu for the defendant. —Verdict fot the defendant.

DUTCH PAPERS.
THE HAGUE, APRIL 27.—NEWS FROM THE DIITCII
PossESSIONS IN INDIA.—The overland mail brought ic„.i,
the Batavia. papers of the 26th May, 1846, from
we extract the following particulars:—
onth the
m
The Government having freighted last to
ships Waterloo and Hugo Grotius, for the expediticn
BAR, intended to wait for the arrival of the ships
et
Europa, Europa, and Middelburg, but these ships having sae
with some delay, it was decided last week that the exPe_
dition should start without then), and for this purpon
the ships Koophandel, Louisa, Johanna Maria, are
King William 11., which was at anchor in ire
port of Sourabaga, were hired. The expediti°lloo,
composed of 2,000 men, and a battery: 1,400 010;
and the battery, which were at Batavia, e
barked yesterday. The Hugh Grotius,
Maria, and Waterloo have the troops onjtaialf.litt;
the Koophandel will take the ammunition, and the Louis:
the battery, escorted by a schooner, fors ourabar;
where the King William 11, the Ceres frigate, a°
schooners, and two steamers, will join the expedition ;
the whole squadron is under the command of tient:-
Colonel Bakker. It is said that his Excellency ttlet,
Governor-General is going to Sourabaya, to be nearer
the scene of action. There are diflerent opinions
.`":4",
specting the probable result of the expedition. S°R-io
persons fear that the inhabitants of Bali will redrew,
the mountains, and thus escape the attack of !Ist
troops, for time enough has been given them to for re,,
themselves, since they knew that an expedition vra6l
gp
paring against them, and the English will have bang of
opportunity of supplying them with arms and meanto
defences. Other persons, on the contrary, think thabo
mere demonstration on our part will suffice, and t
the inhabitants of Bali will speedily submit. It is certao
that the delay of the expedition for the want of Borneo
ships to carry .the troops, and in consequeneo.j,
possibility of an unfavourable result, may have a few"„aa
fluence on the Indian reputation. The squadron 7
ready to sail from Batavia on the 26th of May.
goat
The King of Salaparang (Lambok), and 110 „d p
having, leartnt that the Government intended W se„mAng
military
Kra
litarayf,n7Asein, for their infractionetsoßali,topunishthei of the
King ofrkotresa"7„7::
and
signed by them, and for the insult offered to 1,6
Dutch, flag, have sent five great men of their etofd,
to Batavia,. accompanied by a numerous suite, 11,
letters trim heir sovereigns, in which these princes
dare that the punishment which the Dutch Govern/Om
was going to inflict was well merited, because ~
Princes of Baliting and Karang-Assem had acted I:4
justly and in a hostile manner towards the governiireir
of Dutch -India, and they offer at the same time ;J..,
assistance and co-operation. The Embassy had a 5110
audience of the Governor-General on the 26th. '
Governor-General, considering that it is desirable '0
the interest of the Netherlands, and of the possessio eta'
the East Indies, to facilitate the comm-rcial 0Pe.70
tions cf the mother country, and provide for the elaifi,
of the Asiatic colonies, that a well-organised andstitej,
ciently equipped mercantile fleet should be apPtneof
offering all possible guarantees for the regular soornro,
commercial affairs, and the conveyance of colonial Fr, a
duce belonging to the Government, has appointed,.
in
decree of 9th May, 1846, a commission to exan3,l3,,tch
the most extensive manner everything relative toy- of
navigation on the Indian Seas, to the east of the CaPeata
Good Hope, to the coasting trade, ship building, '-
fitting out of vessels, the duties, charges, &c.
Rear-Admiral E. B. Van Roach, commander 0-, 01
Majesty's naval force in the East Indies, is apP°'ll
president of this commission. 00°
M. Mercier, Minister Plenipotentiary of Belginniseatl,
mission to this Court to negotiate a commercial tr
has arrived at the Hague with his secretary.
DUTCH FUNDS.—AMSTEBDAM, JULY 27-
Money.
61
Actual Debt, 234 per Cent .• ••• • • ... • 6N
Ditto, 3 per Cent .. •••• .• • • ........ 7234 1
95,,
Ditto, 4 per Cent.• •.. ..... ......... 94
Anaort Syndic, 334 per Cent ••••• • • • • • 89
Ditto, 334 per Cent .. ••••••.• •• • • • •
Commercial Company, 434 per Cent .. 175 17214
4
East India Loan, 4 per Cent ••• • • • .... 975
25
Exchange on London, at sight •• • 12 15
Two months... ••• • • • ...... 12 65
Hamburgh, at sight •• .. 35 60
Two months.. ••• • • • ...... 35
On Paris •••• • • • • 57 66
Two months. ..
•Dutch Papers. July 28.
PRUSSIAN FUNDS.-13gituN, J171.1' 23. -toe
Bills.
St. Schuld Seh., 334 per Cent • 965
Pruis. English Bonds, 1830, 4 per Cent.• •• • •
Foreign Exchanges.. • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • "
Exchange on London, .£1 Sterling, 3 Months. 6 245 IA
Hamburgh, 300 Marks, 2 Months.l49}4 79/fi
Paris, 300 fr., 2 Months ••••• • • • •
.Universal Prussian Gazette. July 24.
HAMBURGII BORSENHALLE, JvLTO° 24•0;
Bills. 0
kustrian 5 per Cents •• •• ..
spsieartiCL:ita.N .......
a.b. Certificate. 1_570 101
°64%
ADEDuitsgtsiollniattusseries Inscription .... .• .•
Ditto, Mope and Co., 3d and 4th series• • 97361
Ditto, in Certificate....... .. •• • 98 g 0
90
'view 4 per Cent., Hope and Co". • ••• • • ra
Ditto Stieglitz .• . ....... ••• •• • • 77',1
Spanish New 5 per Cent ••••• • • • • .... • " •'• 1
29%
30
Ditto 3 per Cent •- • • •• ••• • .•
.•
Anglo-Portuguese Loan, 254 per Cent.•
Dutch Actual Debt, 236p'r Cent ••• .• 5931
Ditto 3 per Cent. ••••• • • • • 79 •••• ' '• —1
79
Polish New 4 per Cent. Loan 1844 •• •
Anglo-Danish Loan, 3 per Cent ...... 86
National Bank Shares• •..••••• • • • " • • 7 • .);
BELGIAN FUNDS.—BaussELs, thy
Actual Debt, 2i4 per Cent ........ •••• • • --
Rothschild's Loan, Five per Cent • . • • • • • •
Loan of Thirty Millions, Four percent.. • • --
Ditto Three per Cent.. •••• .• • • ...... • • 1
Ditto Thirty-seven Millions, ditto .• • • • •
.04
Ditto, ditto, 1840.. • . • .• .....
Ditto, ditto, 1842 . • • • • • • • • • . • 103
Ditto, 1844. • • • •• ••• 9931
Ditto, 1836.. •• ...• •••• • • • •
Ditto, 1838 .... • • • • •• • • • • • •

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14
tOI

Ditto of the City, 1832 •• • • • • • •
Ditto, 1843
Bank of Belgium....
Brussels Papers. July 25.
oi,
AUSTItIAN FUNDS.—VIENNA, JuLT .LL •
5 per Cent. Metalliques • • ...• ..... 11,7.
4 per Cent. ditto.... .... 101
3 per Cent. ditto• • • • • • • • • •

loan, 1834 i
Ditto, 1839 .. •• .......... 143
Bank Shares .. • ..
•
Esterhazy's Loan ........ ..........

RAILWAYS.
The Northern, or Ferdinand .......... • 1354
Gloggnitz •• • ••• • • ........ ..... 134 ,
Vienna—Milan • • •• • •• • •
Leghorn ••••• • • • • ...... ....• I°B
Pesth 9.94
Sienna .. • • • • . • •
Grosetto .... • •.. • • ... .............• °J,"
Oldenburg
Pestoja .•• • • •.• • „ ..... •"'"
Apennines .. 95
resth Bridge • • ..
Allgemeine Zeitune. July 24.

THE ARMY.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE soh, oil
Six,—An " Eighteen Years' Man" writes to t;„,et
ra
that our soldiers are not well enough paid to Stt"-001,
of those who can obtain other employment ; t PA•rj.
Globe takes this up and supports the arguelelai letirof
our soldiers are better paid, clothed, fed, se 400itt
than any others in the world, or than many tholl;eet ;0
leb-urers in this country. Seven shillings eiil4
Dorset hire is considered enough for a whol.e f 9,
provide everything, and pay poor-rates besidete
low rate of pay is not the reason why men Wit? ,•
any other employment do so, rather than enlisTo PT,
reason is, that to enlist is generally coneidereeore;
last step of all, because the discipline is over. 09„,1 :01
trifles ; its execution entrusted to sergeants eijecerf
porals ; because there is no hope of promotion ; ;be i/01
the pension in old age is too small ; becausli,olo9
does not increase in proportion to length 5e",0148
service ; because drinking is the only amusertt or e
severity the only means used for the managen3e46
soldiers. But I would not attribute this state "0 A)
to the Commander-in-Chief, because he hash f
life endeavouring to make the best he can out °
cause.
So long as the army is to be a provissssieorlo.o::o,l:;
lords' younger children, so long will no officer/1040
In tome sort to remedy this it was endesrotiny
obtain good sergeants. Hence the recominero 0_49 olf
Minist.-ts sent from Spain, to place all sergeo9o4ool
footing of the foot guards ; and the Duke„, ter
says teohffida tu
duty
isn sbieteiasudseonoeffii-:ro,t,hbereianrgmgieenctlelo"' • fo'
The pceeorsps,kleenlie,ontof.ncoErmengnigilimassneidnotnsea,
dreea(carhecqoeufrisr2,ed t
ourof
09#j04
twenty-sixdl4t h
trumpeters;. and this merely that twenty so lifet d fe„'
sons may figure as colonels of regiments.,,,o eteeri
regiments oii the full war establishment of "regreljo.air
squadron, and you have for twenty-three 1100 80
13,800 Dragoons, even without counting the regiratiOn,
Cavalry ; and to these 13,800 men you bevnolifobei.
staffs of a sum total equal to more than 3,0-001,14
which is out of all proportion. Two thirds X9O Is
of regiments would more than suffice forritoadvr
even counting five in India and one at the L'ilirotoidb6lo9#
Hop
e. We should then have the eranecnost
soldiers, but less staff, which latter is the
sive part of the thing. ;„ 6,0° 00telPe
England never yet had 10,000 cavalry the ote,
all her numerous force in that arm ; and !eof veld SI;
of hedges and ditches regular cavalry le goal tl!,
use indeed. For all our purposes the 70teitieubessei
more than enough. If this country 091 opt" 040
regiments of h“avy cavalry and fifteen tote ee groo
two household regiments, it would hays h, on iti;je
Twenty cavalry regiments, at 400 men eTkricl On OA,
Dragoons, without counting the staff. 4- bei ewe
IV v
establishment of 800 men each, there: woti 6
hich jeef-
total of 16,000 men and 3,000 stall'ais; el3ooo
enough, even if five regiments are in IL men reg7oo;ef
the depots in England, you can send fit_e teas ~,10P
join an army on the Continent, and ha' „ nano '"
of 12,000 fighting men on horseback "
pd
sere_veg/
force than this naintry ever yet had. jeelo-0 pa
I repeat cavalry is of no use am,e,°gregiree°
railroads, and such a number of sive" fod. sooosoo
very great burden to the people et. flged less ,estroth,
We want fcwr r cavalry regiments !tasty, ter, ;
L ones, a plainer uniform and more 13)1 officed 0 tl/00
, besides " millionaires" may afford to be es of
egiree
, then 3ou would find our cavalry elfleeinibee of to ptl,oos
of our in'antry. As long as the Illeet offieele
of cavalry is so exorbitant, so long Le
the Petl.the ;iY
ith indifferent quarters, because r
_;,,,nent,and
os
I afford more taxes. But with fewervserg"" ape
to 97 de
' master- General will have money o
5133 itil
improvement of officers' par.teTs. eeeerat
The moment that simplicity,
~arieuiss 00e
„inive
motion take the place of gaubajecone plege
from that moment will the Or°

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