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were really anxious for the welfare of Ireland, by agree-
ing to his motion, viz.:—That a Select Committee be
appointed to inquire into the law and practice of strik-
ing juries in criminal cases in Ireland, and especially
into the facts connected with the striking of the juries
in the late cases of " The Queen against William Smith
O'Brien, M.P," " The Queen against Thomas Mea-
gher," and " The Queen against John Mitchel."
Mr. ANSTEY seconded the motion.
Sir G. GREY—I thought the Hon. Gentleman pro-
mised at the commencement of his speech that he would
keep entirely to the point of his motion, and show the
House that whatever might be the tone of his speeches
made elsewhere—(Hear, hear)—that to-night, at least,
he would show that he could keep within the bounds of
toleration, and that, influenced only by a pure love of
justice and a desire to promote its due administration—
(Cheers, and counter cheers)—he would abstain from
every topic not necessarily connected with the point he
had to establish.—(Hear, hear.) How he had kept
that promise, at least in the latter part of his speech,
the House is in a position to judge.—(Hear, and "Oh.")
I do not complain of the tone he has adopted, for I do
not expect from the Honourable Gentleman, so long as
I am a member of a Government which does not recog-
nize his merits, anything but violent party speeches
directed against us—(Cheers, and cries of " Oh, oh,")
—most unfairly impugning our conduct since we have
been in office, forgetful altogether how the Govern.
ment were engaged in endeavouring to mitigate the
distress of that country, the severest, perhaps, that
any country ever suffered—(Cheers)—and postponing
the discussion of political rights to the higher duty of
feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and rescuing
from starvation and death thousands of the Hon. Mem-
ber's countrymen, while he was holding up to them the
phantom of repeal.—(Hear, hear, and interruption.)
Her Majesty's Government, so long as they held office,
will not be deterred from discharging their duty to the
country, and taking those measures on their own re-
sponsibility which the law authorises them to take, or
asking for additional powers to maintain the peace of
Ireland, or any part of the empire, by any taunts of the
Hon. Gentleman—(oh, oh, and cheers)—who, in 1841,
was an ardent repealer and an humble worshipper of
the late Mr. O'Connell, and who at that time spoke of
the Government of Lord Melbourne as the most paternal
Government that had ever existed, lauding it with all
the eloquence which he has to-night displayed—who
in 1844 wrote a pamphlet equally laudatory of Earl de
Grey, and who, since he has taken his seat in this
House, and while a petition was pending against his
return, gave the present Government no reason to sup-
pose that he would be found among their opponents, if
they would use their influence to defeat the petition.
Mr. KEOGH—I assert in the most distinct terms that
that is untrue.—(Hear, and order.)
Sir G. GREY—Then I must have been misinformed.
Mr. KEOGEI—I repudiate all the assertions of the
Right Hon. Baronet, except as regards the pamphlet, and
I will explain when he has done.—(Hear.)
Sir G. GREY—I apprehend, not all ; for I find that,
in 1841, at a dinner given to the Hon. Member for Mayo,
Mr. Dillon Browne, to congratulate him on his return,
Mr. Keogh was present, when Mr. Browne made an
eloquent speech.—(Mr. Keogh here made an observation
which was not heard in the gallery.) Perhaps it was
not the same Mr. Keogh, but it was a Mr. William
Keogh; and I find by the report that when Mr. Browne
spoke in favour of repeal, the whole assembly rose and
shouted " Dillon Browne and repeal."—(Hear, hear,
and cries of " Oh, oh.") Mr. D. Browne subsequently
proposed Mr. O'Connell's health, to which Mr. W. Keogh
responded in a speech with which, as the House has
already had a very long one from that Honourable and
Learned Gentleman, I will not now trouble it. But in
that speech he not only spoke in terms of the most un-
qualified approbation of Mr. O'Connell, but declared
that they were fighting for the constitutional liberties of
England under that Hon. and Learned Gentleman and
the paternal Government of Lord Melbourne.—(Cheers
and laughter.) All I will further say upon the subject
is, that her Majesty's Government will not be deterred
by that Hon. Member's taunts from proposing such mea-
sures as they may deem essential for the welfare and
security of Ireland. The Right lion. Gentleman pro-
ceeded to observe, that he entirely concurred in the
opinion expressed by the Hon. Gentleman the Member
for Athlone, as to the necessity of a fair and impartial
administration of justice; and he believed that nothing
had been done by the sheriff inconsistent with that
opinion, with law, or with custom. The Hon. Gentle-
man said that the conduct of the sheriff must be im-
puted to the Government, becauae he was appointed by
the Government. But the Honourable Gentleman
would have shown more regard for that fair adminis-
tration of justice for which he professed so great an ad-
miration if he had explained that the Government se-
lected the sheriff from only three names which were sub-
mitted to it by the Chief Justice.—(Hear, hear.) The
Hon. Gentleman had impugned the conduct of the sheriff,
but failed altogether in establishing the charge against
him of unfairly end partially selecting from the list in
order to obtain a conviction sigainst Mitchel. The Hon.
Gentleman passed over much too lightly the challenge
to the array which took place in open court. The
sheriff did nothing in the case which he was not fully
authorised to do by law. He we,s bound to return a cer-
tain number out of the list, and he did so in the ordinary
course, which the Hon. Member himself in a degree
admitted by taking exception to the alphabetical arrange-
ment adopted in the case of Frost. As for the charge
that Roman Catholics had been struck off because they
were so, he begged altogether to deny it. The Attorney-
General in his instructions to Mr. Kemmish, the Crown
Solicitor, required him not to set aside any person
on the ground of his religion; but he at the same time
observed that the instructions of tsiir Michael O'Loghlen
not to set aside persons upon the ground of their poli-
tical opinions, although applicabbi to and to be observed
in the case of ordinary trials, was; not applicable to and
ought not to be observed in this. 'The Attorney-General
said—" It is not and never was my wish or intention
that any persons should be set inside on account of their
religious opinions; but respecting their political opinions,
I do not think that the instructions given by previous
law officers were ever intended to apply to the present
case, where the party is to be tried for a political of-
fence which is openly countena need by a political assoe
ciation, or that we should not see aside all persons whom,
upon inquiry, we found to entertain the political
opinions of that association, as w ell as all others who from
the nature of their occupation were likely to be deterred
from a fair discharge of their d uty." Now that was Ma
answer to the charge brought against the Roman
Catholic Attorney-General of Ire land; and he asked the
Hon. Gentleman opposite whetlie u. he dissented from the
sentiments expressed in that loiter by the Attorney-
General, or whether, if he held. that office himself, he
would not have acted in a sieeilar manner. He intro-
duced the name of Mr. Campbtsid, Now, Mr. Campbell
was a grocer, and he believed he had been set aside
wholly on the last ground ally,, ded to in the Attorney-
General's letter—namely. that his trade would have been
in danger of being ruined had lee been nominated on the
jury. Taking all these circum stances into consideration,
he asked the House whether these charges were well
well founded. With regard to -Mr. Kelly, he had been
struck off because he was a magistrate. But, without
further remark, he would read a. letter from theAttorneye
General to the Lord-Lieutena at respecting the forma-
tion of the jury lists.--(The Right Hon. Gentleman then
read a very long letter from Mr. Monahan, stating
that he did not believe that a single person had been
struck off from the lists on account of his religious opi-
nions, and that he, as a Roman Catholic, would be no
party to such a course. He ex plained that Mr. Fitt
gerald had been left in, being a Roman Catholic, but
under an erroneous impression as to his political senti-
ments, as he went to a repeal meeting soon atter, and
took credit for the part he acted on the jury.) The Hone
'Gentleman and himself were now before the House, and
he would leave the case to their decision.—(Hear.) The
Hon. Gentleman had taunted his Noble Friend (Lord J.
Russell) for having left the House when he was about to
bring on his present motion. His Noble Friend was
engaged in his very important duties elsewhere, and he
(Sir G. Grey) must tell the Hon. Member that his Noble
Friend's character was before the country, and was very
well able to sustain anything the Hon. Member could
say against it.

fir. KEOGH, in explanation, said that he had been
charged by the Right lion. Baronet with having offered
to give his support to the Govt rnment, if the Govern-
: ment would withdraw the petition against his return.
Sir G. GREY said what he said was that the Hon.
Member had not given the Government reason to sup-
pose he would vote against them if the petition was with-
drawn.
Mr. KEOGH—Then that charge was refined away by
the means of two negatives. He had next been charged
with having been a repealer. He never was a repealer
—he had often expressed his sentiments most strongly
igainst a repeal of the legislative union ; and the Hun.
:Hember for Dundalk would bear him out in his assertion.
Mr. HAWES said that a very unexpected, a very un-
justifiable attack had been made upon him by the Hon.
I Member. He gave that attack a most entire and corn-
' p late repudiation. He had been no party in any way,
d irect or indirect, to any petition. against the Hon. and
I ,earned Member ; he had not the slightest knowledge of
a ny such petition being on foot.--(Hear, hear.)
Mr ANS FEY supported the amendment amid Conti-
.m 1
ous cries of " Oh, oh," upon which, at length, thelion.
' and Learned Gentleman moved that the House do now
adjourn—a motion which, as at once putting astepto
the speech of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman himself,
created a general laugh throughout the House.

...
Mr. REYNOLDS thanked the Honourable and
Learned Member for the opportunity he had thus un-

expectedly afforded him—^(Laughter)—of addressing
the House. He bad been appealed to as to the character
of the Catholics who had been excluded from the juries
on the trials of Messrs. Mitchel, Meagher, and O'Brien.

He had no hesitation in saying that he knew these gen-
tlemen to be men of the highest personal character, and
he had as little hesitation in expressing the opinion that
their exclusion had been the result of foul play on the
part of some of the local authorities. He regarded the
discredit which had been cast upon the honour
and oaths of the Roman Catholics as even more in-
jurious than any coercion Bill, or than the wholesale po-
litical
prosecutions which were being instituted. The
Honourable and Learned Member for Athlone seemed
very indignant at the suggestion of his having been a
repealer. It was questionable whether he would be a
whit less respectable than he was were he a repealer
now ; but certain it was that at a public dinner at Clare-
morris, in October, 1840, the Honourable and
Learned Member had declared his breast to be full of
the subject which had engrossed for thirty years the
efforts " of the great man of the world, Daniel
O'Connell." He had also the pamphlet of which the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman had acknowledged the
authorship, published in 1844, and entitled " Ireland
under Earl de Grey." In that pamphlet he had deli-
berately approved of the packing of a jury to try the
man who had been his political leader and liberator; for
Daniei O'Connell was then under trial. He had declared
that every impartial person must feel confidence in their
verdtct; and yet that verdict had been set aside by the

House of Lords. The impineiling o-`f
that jury was
the most unprecedented act of political corruption ever
witnessed in Ireland.—(Question, question.) He should
support the present motion if it went to a division.
Mr. HUDSON wished to know the authority on
which the Hon. and Learned Member for Athlone had
charged the Government with influencing the election
committee for that borough. This was a great consti-
tutional question; and it was due to the House that
the grounds should be stated en which the charge was
made.
Sir G. GREY was very happy to satisfy the curiosity
of his Hon. Friend. The Government had no power of
causing petitions to be withdrawn; but it was no un-
usual thing for arrangements to be made in the way of
conversation amongst individual Members. The Hon.
and Learned Gentleman having denied the statement, he
was bound to accept the denial.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE (being loudly called for) said
he must protest against the idea that any one who gave
his support, or his money, to a candidate at an election,
was bound by all the opinions of that candidate. He did
not consider that by countenancing a repeal candidate h•
was furthering repeal; be might bo influenced by far
other considerations.—(Hear, bear.) No Member in the
House had suffered more than himself by his opposition
to repeal.—(Hear, hear.) If be chose he could give a
satisfactory answer to the question of the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman about the cheque; but, upon prin-
ciple, and out of respect to the House and his own inde-
pendence, he should decline to do so.—(Cheers.)
Mr. ANSTEY rose, but was met with cries of
" Spoke."_ _

The SPEAKER said he could not again address the
House unless he meant to withdraw the motion.

Mr. BROTHERTON—I shall certainly oppose the
withdrawal of the motion for adjournment.—(Cries of.
" Divide.")
Sir G. GREY hoped the House would allow the divi-
sion to take place on the motion of the Hon. and Learned
Member for Athlone.

After a desultory conversation,
Mr. BANKES said he hoped that, before the division,
the Hon. Secretary for Ireland would answer the ques-
tion whether be, as a member of the Government, had
drawn cheques to defray the, expense of supporting an
election petition.—(No, no.) He disputed the Right of
the Hon. Gentleman, in the important official situation
he held, to act so as to support principles of which the
Government were daily expressing their aversion.
Mr. LABOUCHERE hoped his Right Hon. Friend
(Sir W. Somerville) would not add anything to the
answer he had already given, and which was just what
honour and principle dictated. The idea that he had
disbursed the funds of the Government could never
have entered any one's head; and he was perfectly right
in refusing to be catechised on the manner in which he
had applied his own private funds.—(Cheers.). He
hoped the motion for adjournment would not now be
pressed; but considering the late hour, and that the
House met again at noon. it would be better to adjourn
the debate, rather than get rid of the question by ad-
journing the House.

Sir W. SOMERVILLE said his Right Hon. Friend
had correctly described his motives. He had under-
stood the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite to
charge him with giving money as a private individual;
and on that account, thinking that the Hon. Gentleman
had no right to put the question, he had declined to
answer it. As to whether, in his public capacity as
Secretary of Ireland, he bad furthered the election of a
Member of that House, he begged to meet it with a dis-
tinct denial.—(Cheers.)
Mr. MONSELL advocated the adjournment of the
debate.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped
that the House would divide, as at the present period of
the session it would be most inconvenient to have an ad-
journed debate o❑ a motion for going into Committee of
Supply.

Tile House divided on the question of the adjournment
of the House, when there appeared—
For the adjournment.... 22
Against it
Majority —l33
On our re-entrance to the gallery,
Mr. ANSTEY was addressing the House, and com-
plained of a misquotation of a speech of the Hon. Mem-
ber for Athlone, on the part of the Right Hon. Baronet
(Sir G. Grey). There was no parity between the con-
duct pursued by the late Government in the case of Mr.
O'Connell and that pursued by the present Govern-
ment
with respect to the late trials, because the late Go-
vernment were right, supposing that all the persons
whom they struck off were repealers, but there was no
reason for supposing with respect to four Roman Catho-
lics who were struck off in the recent trial of Mr.,
Mitchel that they were repealers. The Hon. Member
continued to address the House in the midst of loud
vociterations and groans from all parts of the House.
Mr. FAGAN moved the adjournment of the debate.
Mr. ANSTEY seconded the motion.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but wero speedily
re-admitted.

Mr. SADLIER was appealing to the Government to
consent to an adjournment.

Sir G. GREY reluctantly assented, and the debate
was adjourned until Monday next.
RATING OF STOCK IN TRADE.
Mr. C. LEWIS obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
continue, for a time to be limited, the exemption of in-
habitants from liability to be rated as such in respect of
stock in trade or other property to the relief of the poor.
THE OMITTED LETTER.
Lord G. BENTINCK moved an address, praying that
her Majesty would be graciously pleased to direct the
Earl of Elgin and Kincardine forthwith to transmit to
her Majesty's Secretary of State for the Colonies copies
of the omitted correspondence between the Provincial
Secretary of Canada and the Secretary of the Montreal
Board of Trade, and to direct that the same may be laid
before this House.

Mr. B. HAWES objected to the use of the word
" correspondence." Tile only matter omitted was one
letter.

Lord G. BENTINCK defended the expression.
Sir G. GREY thought the wording of the motion very
unusual, and suggested the motion should be postponed,
in order to be re-worded.

Lord G. BENTINCK said he wet::: make a formal
motion on going into Supply.—(Oh.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
they simply wanted the thing to be done properly.
Motion postponed until the first Supply night.
OT HER CORRESPONDENCE.
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK then moved an address
for copies of any correspondence, petitions, or memo-
rials, relative to the repeal of the navigation-laws,
which may have been sent home by the governor of New
Brunswick.
Mr. HAWES said the usual way of wording the mo-
tion was "copies or extracts."
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK had no confidence in
Colonial-office extracts.—(" Hear, hear," from Mr. C.
Anstey.)
Mr. HAWES did not want the Noble Lord's con-
fidence. He only wanted the usual forms attended to.
The motion, as amended by Mr. Hawes, was then pat
and agreed to.

On Mr. PARKER bringing up a Bill, and ino•iug
that it be read a first time,
Lord G. BENTINCK said—Oh, no; after this I shall
object to doing anything more.
Sir G. GREY—It is only a first reading.
Lord G. BENTINCK—I object, sir.
The House adjourned at a Quarter after Two.

RAILWAY SHARE IVIARKETS.
LIVERPOOL, JULY 21
STOCK EXCHANGE.—There is a very. dull demand for
shares to-day, and but very little business doing. The sales
are—Caledonian, 2;6.—Lancashire and Yorkshire, Fifths, 1
dis.—Ditto, 10/. Shares, Preference, lls. 3d. p.--London
and North-Western, 127—Ditto, Quarters, New, 134 Midland Stock, New Halves, 594 dis.—North Staffordshire,
2% dis.—South-Eastern and Dover, No. 2, 101/ York,
Newcastle, and Berwick (.N. and B. Extension), No. 2,1.7 i p.
MANCHESTER, JULY 21.
STOCK EXCHANGE.—The sales are—Birkenhead, Lanca-
shire, and Cheshire Junction, 31/. Shares, 7 7-16 dis.—
Lancashire and Yorkshire (Manchester and Leeds), Fifths,
1 1-16 dis.—Ditto (late West Riding Union) Fifths, 3 13-16
dis.—Ditto, 10/. Preference, 6 per cent., % p.—Manchester,
Sheffield, and Lincolnshire, Preference, 101—North Stafford-
shire, 2 9-16 dis.—Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton,
171% dis.—Shrewsbury and Birmingham (B), 3 7-16 dia.—
York, Newcastle, and
-Berwick (G. N. E. Purhase), 1 9-16 p.

BIRMINGIL M,
JILY 21.
STOCK EXCHANGE.—Notwithstanaing the unfavourable
news from Ireland, and consequent depression of the Consol
and Share Market in London, there has been a good deal of
business done to-day; and, considering all things, at not
discouraging prices. The sales are—Chester and Holyhead,
20 dis. —North Staffordshire, 2% dis.—Oxford, Worcester,
and Wolverhampton, 18 dis.—Shrewsbury end Birmingham
(A), 5/. 3s. 9d. dis. ex int.—Shropshire Union, 5Ga. 3d. c. dis.
ex int.—South Staffordshire, 31/4 dis.

The lady of Lieutenant Brenton von Donop, of her Ma-
jestv's ship President, of a daughter.
On the 13th inst., at Hayston-lodge, Pembrokeshire, the
lady of Honton Ithys, Esq., of a son and heir.
On the 18th inst., at Houndshill, Worcestershire, the wife
of E P. Shirley, Esq., of a daughter.
On the 19th inst., at Glocester-road, Regent's-park, the
wife of J. G. Barton, Esq., of a daughter.
On the 19th inst., at Hanover-villas, Notting-hill, Mrs. G.
G. Stone, of a son.
On the 9th inst., at Belle Vue-house, Notting-hill, the
wife of C. H. Barnes, Esq., of a son.

ALCRRIED.
On the 18th inst., at I3athwick Church, Bath, the Rev.
George E. Murray, rector of Southfleet, Kent, ,eldest son of
the Lord Bishop of Rochester, to Penelope Frances Elizabeth
Pemberton, youngest daughter of Brigadier-General Austin,
K. C. T.S.
On the 19th inst., at St. George's, Hanover-square, T
Dowling, Esq., eldest son of the late Captain Dowling, Bar-
rackmaster of St. James's, to Charlotte Bazett, second
daughter of J. 11. Dunn, Esq., of Hertford-street, Park-lane.
On the 20th inst., at St. Marylebone Church, Robert L.
Day, Captain 85th (King's) Light Infantry, second son of
C. Day, Esq., of Bevis-hill, Southampton, to Louisa,
youngest daughter of J. Reid, Esq., of Cornwall-terrace,
Regent's-park.

DIES.
On the 15th inst., at Elm's. hall, Colne-Engaine, Essex,
Mr. J. B. Icrown, aged 37.
On the 15th inst., Mr. Silas K. Cook, of Rotherhithe,
Surrey, aged 58.
On the 17th inst., T. Kennedy, Esq., of High•atiqet,
Camden-town, aged 86.
On the 18th inst., at East Parade, Leeds, the Rev. R.'
W.
Hamilton, LL.D., D.D., aged 54.
On the 18th inst., at Birmingham, aged 88, Ann, the wife
of Mr. Benjamin Hall.
On the 18th inst., at Ramsgate, Harriette Sarah, the wife of
H. J. Sawyer, Esq.. of the Middle Temple, aged 2fi. •
On the 19th inst., in Sloane-street, Chelsea, Mrs. Dorothy
Fuge, relict of the late Mr. J. Fuge, upwards of 55 yearp
inhabitant of the above street, aged 78.

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