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should move that the Chairman report progress and ask
leay., to sit again.—(Hear.)
,ords of explanation betwe(n the atAti-
CELLOII of the EXCUERUER and Mr. Hume,
Mr. V. SMITH supported the amendment proposed,
on the ground that sufficient information as to the origin
Hof the Kafir warlhad not been known to the Legislature.
He highly approved of Earl Grey's instructions to Sir
Li. Pottinger; they were very valuable for the future, to
which we must now look. Unless the House were pre-
pared to vote a much larger income-tax than had been
prop.ee. they must take into consideration the reduction
of our colonial expenditure.—(He9r.)
Mr. BANKES was decidedly of opinion that the vote
ought not to be granted at the present moment. A Com-
mittee was to be nominated before the rising of the
House to inquire into the navy, army, and ordnance
expenditure; and this item might form a very proper
subject Er the inquiries of that Committee. He would,
therefore, support the motion of the Honourable Mem-
ber for Montrose. If the matter did not come within
the consideration of the Committee alluded to he himself
would move a special Committee for the purpose.
The colony of the Cape of Good Hope was a source of
enormous expense in every department, and brought little
er no return. It might be a question whether it
was worth retaining it at all, but certainly not at such
an expense as this.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Bsnkes)
was nominated on the Committee proposed by the Right
Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer on the army,
navy, and ordnance estimates; and he would not imitate
the example of the lion. Member for Montrose by pledg-
ing himself beforehand to &certain view, but would enter
the Committee unbiassed, with a desire to effect reduc-
tion wherever it was practicable.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. W. MILES said he had understood from the
Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer that the
public service required this vote to be immediately
adopted. The country certainly ought to pay its debts,
and then let a Committee of Inquiry investigate the
mutter afterwards, if that were thought desirable. Had
the Governor not done all in his power to prevent the
plunder and bloodshed which had been inflicted on the
colonists, he would have been unworthy of the situation
he held.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. GLADSTONE rejoiced in the opportunity of
bearing testimony to the character of the Governor.
Never had either a more gallant soldier or a more
humane and conscientious man been placed in charge of
any colony.—( Hear, hear.) The charges against Sir
P. Maitland had arisen not from his rushing precipitately
into the war, but from his unwillingness to involve the
country in such a contest.—(Hear, hear.) Understand-
ing that the public convenience required this vote to be
granted, he should support it; but its adoption would
not preclude further inquiry. We might well begin to
reflect how large a portion of the world's surface we had
now rendered ourselves responsible for; we were keenly
reminded of it by the vote now proposed, amounting to
1,100,0001.; and this sum would probably be followed
by others in succeeding years. Looking to the fuihre,
he feare'l, unless some great change of system could be
devised, that we might expect the recurrence of wars'ip
that remote colony. Sir P. Maitland had expressed
similar belief in one of his dispatches. •He feared the
change adopted twelve or fourteen years ago had in-
creased the cost of the colony to this country; but that
change had been adopted from the most philanthropic
motives. The payment of this money would not be in
vain if it led the House to reflect well on the policy of
extending our colonial empire.—(Hear.)
Mr. E. ELLICE said he would not object to the vote,
but would impress on the House the importance of not
longer treating these colonial matters lightiv.—(Hear.)
He differed with the Hon. Member for Northampton
(Mr. V. Smith) as to the possibility of temporising with
the natives; it was essential that wherever we planted
our industry we should protect it, and do it in a manner
worthy the dignity of a great nation. There was ano-
ther suggestion he wished to offer. Why had not the
Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer, when he
knew of this war proceeding, come down to the House
at an earlier period and asked for a vote? He ought to
have made the best estimate he could, and then the com-
Pa lirt would not have arisen that the House was 'unex-
pectedly called on to vote a large sum, .of the expen-
diture of which they had never before heard.—(Hear,
hear.) With regard to the vote before the House, he
would not oppose it, because the Government were
not accountable for the war, and because the public
service would suffer if funds were not provided.
Mr. G. THOMPSON did not think that they ought
to be called on to vote 1,100,0001. without knowing
anything respecting the origin, progress, policy, or cha-
racter of this war. The House ought to be allowed
time to read the papers that would be put into the
hands of Members to-morrow.

Mr. AGLIONBY'saw no reason for postponing the
♦ote. It was the duty of the Government to protect the
settlers from the savages and murderers in their
colonies. The whole of this war had arisen because
the late Government, yielding to a vicious influence ill
the Colonial-office, had set aside the recommendations
of Sir B. D'Urban. In the dispatch which Sir H. Pot-
tinger sent home he declared, in answer to the petition
of the settlers, that they were blameless in what had
occurred.

Lord DUNCAN thought they should be allowed time
to read the papers before they were called on to vote so
large a sum of money.
Alderman SIDNEY thought the motion of the Hon.
Member for Montrose rational and consistent. They
should not be called upon to vote money in a matter of
which they knew nothing.
Mr. HINDLEY said that he had been informed in
last September, by a gentleman who had come from the
Cape, that the war was an excellent thing for the Cape,
because it caused the expenditure of a large sum of
money. That House ought to have some control
over the expenditure of money. It was not right to
spend money without the sanction of the House, and
then come to it and say the money has base expended,
and you have nothing to do but to pay.
Atter a few words from Mr. HLTME

The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the motion 262
Against it
Majority for the motion
NAVY SUPPLIES.
Mr. WARD then moved a vote of 245,410 L 19s. td.
for the navy excess in 1846. The Hon. Gentleman said
he had already explained the importance of this vote.
He said that the Admiralty had made complete ar-
rangements whereby no sum would be expended in
future that did not come within the estimates for the
current year, nor would any works be entered upon in
any dockyard without the previous cognisance of the
House. The Hon. Gentleman was proceeding with his
details in an inaudible tone, when
Mr. ELLIOT rose, and called the Hon. Member for
Sunderland to order, as his voice drowned that of the
Hon. Secretary for thei Admiralty.
After some further conversation,
Mr. HUDSON rose, and repudiated the idea that he
had interrupted the Hon. Member in his statement. He
had been most uncourteously interrupted by the Hon.
Member, whose name he did- not know, and whom he
never wished to know.

Mr. ELLIOT disclaimed any intention of behaving
uncourteously to the Hon. Member, but his voice had
certainly prevented him from hearing the statement of
the Hon. Secretary for the Admiralty.
Mr. T. F. BARING said that the vote was a very im-
portant one, and he could not let it pass without some
observation. Last year there was a naval excess of
165,000/. on a form vote. He had made some obser-
vutions at the time, but, as all economical observations
were in the last llouse of Commons, it was " pooh
pooh'd."—(A laugh.) This year there was a further
excess of 240,000/.; and he thought it a course that
should be arrested. He confessed he was rather struck
with the loose mode of transacting business which
seemed to prevail in the Admiralty with respect to
arrears.—(Hear, hear.) However, after the candid con-
fession of his Hon. Friend the Secretary for the Admi-
ralty, and his promise that such things should not occur
again, he did not feel it incumbent on him to make any
further observation.

The vote was then agreed to, the Chairman reported
progress, and the House resumed.

- LANDED PROPERTY (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN moved the second reading of the
Landed Property (Ireland) Bill. The object of the Bill
was to enable landed proprietors in Ireland to borrow
money for the improvement of their land from indivi-
duals, on the same terms as the Act of last year autho-
rised them to borrow it from the public.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would
not oppose the present stage of the Bill, but reserved his
opinion as to the future stages, until he had received a
communication from tho Board of Works in Ireland.
The Bill was then read a second time.
TREATY OF ADRIANOPLE, &c.—ADJOURNED