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fashion of the Kilkenny cats.—(Laughter.) He, how-
ever,. was rejoied to see that so many Hon. Members
had not only ,rttliyed the adigues of the session, but
that in pedeae.,ering to prove their mental and bodily
vigour, they had given a sort of rally to the session
Which would otherwise decline.—(Laughter.) He hoped
he might see them equally vigorous and ardent in the
discharge of their legislative functions after the fatigues
o' the recess at the beginning of next session.—(Hear,
hear.) Ministers had been taunted with postponing
0 .her measures, and now bringing this on. But they
had invariably replied to questions on the subject that
t was their intention to go on with it. They were then
t'1(1 that by persisting ill that intention they were con-
e )cting some deep schen-if., some' niv t- rime; Iniseliiif,
purpose. ;,tieli thin',', only in the
l'ulginittion of lion. (ientlenaen—eertaiiil). not Ii! the in-
ot tue 1;i1VI'li»1. t.lll !hut they
were more solicitous about railroads in Italy than the
interests of Ireland. Now, what he said upon that sub-
ject was simply that, considering the growing impor-
tance of the commerce of Italy, it was desirable we
should enter into permanent relations with that country,
and with every other throughout the world. The Her.
Member for Youghal said we could do with the present
law, and the Hon. Member for Stafford quoted several
cases in which diplomatic intercourse had been carried
on between the two countries. That was precisely the
ease of the Government, who contended that the very
necessity of things compelled us to establish an inter •
'nurse with the Court of Rome, by avowed and acknow-
ledged channels, instead of having a great country like
this driven into holes and corners, and obliged to do
stealthily what it would be more becoming to do openly.
Zalear, hear.) With regard to the assertion that this
Bill would tend, he knew not how, to put the Pope
under such restraint as was imposed by Napoleon, so
that whatever he did would be under duress, he could
Only say that both the late Pope arid the present had
expressed a desire to have diplomatic relations esta-
hihhed between this country and Rome. Those Pro-
testants, therefore, who raised that objection showed
themselves more Papist than the Pope himself.—
(Laughter.) Indeed, ;the late Pope never allowed the
°PPortuning of receiving any distinguished Englishman
to pass without expressing his regret at the want or di-
plomatic relations between the two countries. They
were net likely, therefore, to do any violence to the
'lope by this measure, which he hoped the House would
Lass, as simply enabling us to hold that political inter-
rune with Rome which we hold with every other coun-
try, whether Christian or Mahomed'an.—(Hear, hear,
and cries of " Divide.")
Mr. GORING moved the adjournment of the debate.
Mr. ANSTEY explained that his distinction was this
that under the present law we could have diplomatic re-
lations with the Pope of Rome as a temporal but not as
a spiritual sovereign, and therefore this Bill in his opi-
nion was brought in to enable Ministers to establish in
some shape or other spiritual relations between them-
Imives and the see of Rome.
Mr. BRIGHT said the Bill had not one feature in it
which any rational man could object to unless that which
compelled the Pope not to send an ecclesiastic to this
colintry which was just the very thing he would not
have done if left to himself. Honourable Gentlemen
°light either to let this Bill pass, or take upon themselves
the responsibility of the Government of the country.
' Captain HARRIS declined to put himself under the
,RcAneralship of the Honourable Member for Youghall—
Y 1 laUgh)—and thought that if they put off this measure'
e° next session, they would only then get a worse one.
rhe House then divided on the question of adjouriug
the debate, when there appeared—
. Ayas
Noes
Majority..
Mir FORBES made an ineffectual attempt to address
the House amidst cries of " Spoke."
„ Captain VYSE moved that the House do adjourn (as
he subsequently discovered he had done, that Mr. Forbes
Might be heard).
Lord J. RUSSELL observed that the Hon. and
Learned Member (Mr. Napier), who said he would op-
Pose but not obstruct the Bill, had, with a due regard to
.111 s own character, left the House.
Mr. FORBES then reiterated the objections he had
made to the Bill at the early sitting, and
Mr. SPOONER rose to address the House, when
....Sir G. GREY interposed, and expressed a hope that
Lion. Members would pay a substantial regard to the
rules of the House by not speaking twice in the same
debate. The Hon. Member (Mr. Forbes) had again
!elide the speech which he had delivered in the morn-
ing, and he supposed the Hon. Member for Birmingham
l'eae to do so too.—(A laugh.) He wished to offer no
Obstacle to full and free discussion, but he thought it
father too great an infringement on the rules of the
House for Hon. Members to deliver precisely the same
aPeeeh at 12 o'clock at night that they had made at 12
o'clock the same day.—(Hear, hear.)
Capt. VYSE begged to say that he in no way desired
to offend against the rules of the House, or offer any
factious opposition to the Bill. He bad moved the ad-
journment of the House to give his Hon. Friend (Mr.
Forbes) an opportunity of' speaking, conceiving that he
was about to throw a new light on the subject.
Mr. SPOONER persisted in addressing the House,
and denied that he was acting in a factious spirit by
doing so; and that he was only exercising a constitu-
tional privilege and discharging his duty, from which he
Would not shrink.
• After a short conversation,
Captain VYSE withdrew his motion for the adjourn-
ment of the House, and a division took place upon the
Main question ,when the numbers were—
For going into Committee
Against it
Majority 77
The House then went into Committee on theßill.
Mr. ANSTEY moved a verbal amendment on the
second clause, to omit the words " Notwithstanding any-
thing contained in the Act!,
the
horce it would be,"
and to insert the words
would be to render the law declaratoryetffhsecttitofwawslitichhe
law of the land to hold relations with the Pope, as Lord
Campbell had expressed his opinion in a speech made on
the 11th of May, 1846.

Lord J. RUSSELL said that Lords Cottenham and
Campbell no doubt thought it to be lawful, but considered
it advisable to remove all doubts. Lord Campbell had
pronounced a very different opinion to that quoted by the
lion. Member the other ni'ht.
The gallery was then cleared, but the amendment was
negatived without a division. On its re-opening,
Captain HARRIS reminded the House that the Pope
might cease to be a temporal prince without ceasing to
be the spiritual head of the catholic church of Rome.
He moved the exclusion of the words "court of Rome."
Lord PALMERSTON did not understand that the
words " court of Rome " were intended to apply to the
spiritual jurisdiction of the Pope.
Mr. HENLEY suggested that the words " Sovereign
of the Roman states ' bo inserted instead of the words
"court of Rome."
Lord PALMERSTON said he had no objection to the
alteration ; and
Capt. HARRIS withdrew his amendment.
Mr. C. PEARSON said he understood the object of
this Bill was to remove doubts, and that it might do this
more effectually he would move the insertion, at the end
of the first clause, of the words " touching and concern-
ing international, civil, commercial, and political rela-
tions between her Majesty, her heirs, and sue•
eessors, and the sovereign for the time being of the
}Lilian states." This would prevent the application of
the diplomatic intercourse to any religious matters. He
had heard with some surprise that at this moment ar-
rangements were going on with the Sovereign of the
Roman states for partitioning this country into Roman
Catholic bishoprics. This would probably be the pre-
lude to a proposal for the endowment of the Roman
Catholic clergy. If ever such a measure were sanc-
tioned, it ought to be originated in this House, and not
by diplomatic arrangements. Believing, as he did, that
the interference of the State with the Church was un-
lawful and dangerous to all parties, he was convinced
that the existing union of the State with the Protestant
Church would not now be sanctioned if we were found-
ing a constitution; it was merely tolerated as a thing
of long existence, which it would be difficult to put an
esid to. The payment of the Roman Catholic clergy by
the state would be an additional link in the chain con-
necting the civil and ecclesiastical power; and he was
. therefore anxious to guard against any pretext for such
an arrangement being furnished by this Bill. The
-Noble Lord opposite (Palmerston) having distinctly
stated that political objects only were contemplated by
this Bill, he could not reasonably refuse the adoption of
this amendment. He (Mr. Pearson) was anxious to
guard against the payment of the Roman Catholic
clergy being made the condition of certain countervailing
Advantages to be given to Government, in the represen-
tation, for instance, of Lambeth.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said the words pro-
posed to be added would produce only an injurions
effect. The words "diplomatic intercourse" were well
understood to mean such intercourse us was held with
• the Court of Prussia, Austria, or any other Government.
Questions might arise not coming within any of the four
descriptions embraced in the lion. Member's amendment.
• Take, for instance, the measure referred to by the Hon.
Member—the division of this country into bishoprics.
lle might clearly do this at present ; but atter the pass-
ing of this Bill, with the amendment proposed, the Go-
vernment could offer no opposition to such a proposal.
Neither could they interpose in favour of the religious
liberty of residents in Rome professing the Protestant
faith ; for such interference would not come within the
definition of diplomatic intercourse proposed by the
lion. Member for Lambeth.
Mr. ANSTEY saw no ground for objecting to the
amendment, unless there was some unavowed object
behind which this Bill was expected to serve. li the
Noble Lord at the head of the Government really meant
to deal fairly with the House and the country, and to
conceal nothing as to the real aims and objects of this
iteasure, he would signify his assent to the amendment.
In order that the subject might be fully considered he
(Mr. Anstey) would move that the Chairman now report
progress, and ask leave to sit again.—(No, no; divide.)
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL concurred with the lion. and
Learned Member for Youghal, and thought the Bill was
Intended to interfere with the spiritual rights and reli-
gious privileges of the Roman Catholic population of this
country.
Mr. BRIGHT oosed the amendment, and thought
that if the Bill wa paltered as now proposed, it would be
better to reject it altogether.
Sir R. 11. INGLIS was of opinion that the words of
the amendment, if applied to a measure for establishing
diplomatic relations with any other sovereign than the
rope, would involve a truism, and were therefore sur-
plusage.
Lord PALMERSTON thought the amendment would,
if carried, be productive of great inconvenience from the
refinement of construction which would be put on its
terms. The Hon. Baronet (Sir R. H. Inglis) had some
sears since applied to him. (Lord Palmerston) to make
a representation to the Government of Savo'in fa-
vour df the religion of the Vaudois, and afterwards
10 interfere with Switzerland to prevent interference

with the religion of some Scotch residents there.
'Would the Hon. Baronet define this interference in
either of these eases as political, international, civil, cr
commercial?
' Sir R. H. INGLIS replied that with respe tto the
interference on behalf of the Vaudois, he had asked it
under a treaty with the Government of Savoy, which
reserved to England the right of intervention. la
;Switzerland, the right to worship according to their
:'own tenets had been conceded to the Scottish residents.
;But what was at present the case in Rome ? Why, the
'British subjects professing the same religion as her Ma•
jesty had not been able to obtain permission from the
favoured Sovereign of the Roman States to have a build-
ing appropriated to religious worship, kr, wer:s ohiig,tl
to resort for that purpose to a g:rntihry oitside the city
'of Rome.

In answer to a tpte,tiott put by Col. Tlft) tl P.-;(
Loid PALNIERSTON said that if the Pope ceased to
'be Sovereign of the Roman States, and that they should
either be taken by Austria or become a republic, there
'was no law to prevent her Majesty establishing diplo
matic relations with them—it was only because the Pope
was the Sovereign that this measure was necessary.
Sir D. L. EVANS, alluding to the complaints of the
British subjects: resident at Rome, of the refusal of a
place of worship, said that the way to get that evil re-
dressed was to pass this Bill.
After a few words from Mr. Drummond (:surrey) and
Mr. Newdegate, in support of the amendment, and from
Mr. Macgregor against it,
Mr. REYNOLDS said it was difficult for an unlearned
person like him to understrnd what the Bill was. The
Hon. and Learned Member for the University of Dublin
said it was a Bill to make railways in Italy.—(Laughter.)
The Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal said that
the Bill would interfere with the independence of the
Roman Catholic Church, and others again said it was a
Wow at the Protestant Church. He believed it was a
measure calculated to get rid of the bigoted and exclu-
sive legislation of former doys. He was sure that there
was no danger in this Bill either to the Roman Catholic
or Protestant Church.—(Hear, hear.) Hon. Gentlemen
said that this was a Protestant country. He denied that.
One-third of the population were Roman Catholic, and
at least another third were Dissenters. He looked upon
the measure as a proof of the march of enlightenment
and toleration.—(lfear, hear.)
Mr. ROBINSON did not see, if this Bill contemplated
merely political relations with the Court of Rome, what
objection there could be to the insertion of the words
proposed.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but no division
took place, the motion for reporting progress having been
postponed.
After a few words from Mr. ANSTEY,
The Committee divided on Mr. Pearson's amendment,
when there appeared—
For the amendment 3O
Against it
Maj0rity.......... —6o
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL moved that the words " So-
vereign Pontiff" be added to the clause. He wished to
bring out the fact whether they would refuse to the Pope
the title by which he was generally recognised.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND was surprised that the Hon.
Gentleman should wish for the head of his Church a title
which was applied to all the pagan priests.—(Laughter.)
The Committee divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment 8
Against it lO4
Majority —96
The clause was then agreed to.
Mr. SPOONER moved that the Chairman report pro-
gress, which was agreed to.
POSTAGE ON NEWSPAPERS (CHANNEL
ISLANDS).

The House went into Committee on this subject.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the object of the resolution, on which to found a Bill,
was to check a gross fraud that was at present carried
on in the Channel Islands. Papers printed in those
islands were free from the stamp duty, the advertisement
duty, and the postage duty, and advantage was taken of
this circumstance to print papers there with a view to
circulation in this country. In one case 20,000 copies
of a paper printed in the Welsh language were sent into
Wales. This was not only a gross fraud on tho revenue,
but it was subjecting the newspaper proprietors in this
country to unfair competition.
The resolution was agreed to, and the House resumed,
and adjourned at a Quarter past Two.

HOUSE OF LORDS, August 24.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool-
sack at Five o'clock.
The Petty Bag-office Bill was read a second time.
The Commons Inclosure Bill passed through Com-
mittee.
The Stock-in-Trade Exemption from Rates Bill was
read a third time and passed.
The Out-pensioners Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The Borough Incorporations Bill was read a third
time and passed.
The Commons' amendments to the Payment of Debts
out of Real Estates Bill were agreed to.
Lord DENMAN presented a petition from Jamaica,
praying their Lordships to continue to the planters of
that island the protection which they had hitherto en-
joyed against slave-grown sugar as the most effectual
method of discouraging slavery.

VANCO.UVEWS ISLAND.
Lord AIONTEAGLE then rose to move for
certain papers relating to the grant of Vancouver's
Island to the Hudson's Bay Company. Vancouver's
Island was situated in a temperate climate, was
fertile, was rich in mineral products, and possessed
some of the finest harbours in the world. From its
geographical position it would eventually become the
emporium of the trade between China and Ame-
rica and Europe, and this island it was proposed
to grant to the Hudson's Bay Company. He
was astonished to find that his Noble Friend had con-
sented to this grant, because his Noble Friend had been
the first to enunciate the principle that colonial
lands should never be granted, but should always
be sold, and yet he proposed to grant Vancouver's Island
to the Hudson's Bay Company. This island had valu-
able veins of coal beneath its surface, and
the whole of this territory, 250 miles long, and from
30 to 40 miles wide, with its coal mines and its
harbours, was to be granted to this company.
without any provisions being made for the colonization
or for the government of this island. The Hudson's
Bay Company was of all companies the one the most
unfitted to undertake any scheme of colonization.
The Noble Lord then proceeded at great length to
detail the history of the company from its original in-
stitution in 1670 up to the present time, and contended
that all its measures tended to discourage colonization.
Circumstances were fast tending to render this island of
the utmost value, for as it was the only place along the
whole western coast of America where coal was found,
its possession must ensure the command of the whole
steam navigation of the Pacific, and consequently in a
great measure also of the commerce between America
and the opposite coasts of Asia. He anticipated that
the Noble Lord would say that this grant of Van-
couver's Island to the Hudson's Bay Company was to
prevent its falling into the hands of any foreign power—
an argument which assumed bad faith on the part of a
friendly power, as well as a fear of our own want of
means to resist aggression. He, however, contended
that it was the most ingenious mode of securing a
quarrel with either Russia or America, to cede this
island to any mere commercial company. By leaving
the country under the care of this company it would
either cease to have any effectual protection against
foreign aggression, or we should find ourselves involved
in continual quarrels originated by this tradingcompany.
The Noble Lord concluded by moving for papers re-
lating to a grant of Vancouver's Island to the Hudson's
Bay Company. •
Earl GREY said if the Noble Lord, with all his
acuteness and ingenuity, had failed to acquire accurate
information as to the real nature of the proposed ar-
rangements, it might be expected that others might be
equally ignorant, and, therefore, he proposed to state in
a few words the case. In the first place, he did not
agree with the Noble Lord that Vancouver's Island was
a place unfit or undesireable for colonization; on the con-
trary, it was because he believed in its importance that
he had advised the Crown to adopt this arrangement.
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not t
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inevitably
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regular be
irregularly
occupied by squatters from the United
States. Indeed
Mormonites drive
had only recently heard that the
States, were veplannnifnrom their homes in the United
a settlement there. There-
fore, he apprehendel
the colonization of this thatl some measures for
hear.) But were the, financessand was necessary.—(Hear,
to warrant a vote of 150,000/ with
thisall s country in a state
'for that purpose? IT
--e apprehended' thatse uent charges,
they were
not ; and, as, therefore, it was hopeless to expect that
the state could directly undertake the colonization
island, the arrangement with the Hudson's Bay
of the
Com-
pany appeared to him the best that could be y
made. He
was prepared to defend it on its merits• Ho di •
d not be-
lieve that the Hudson's Bay Company could expect to
get
more than a fair remuneration for their outlay of
capital. It was true that the land of the island was
fertile and good ; but the best land was of no value,
commercially speaking, unless it were settled and cul-
tivated. The island was granted to the company: they
would dispose of it in small lots to settlers; and the
money to be so received would be applied to the pur-
poses of colonization. This was no new principle; it
had been adopted with the New Zealan 1 Company. The
Noble Lord complained of the advantageous terms on
which the coal of the island was to go to the company.
But the company did not propose to work the mines
themselves ; they would lease them to other parties,
and they would only have the royalties. And,
with regard to the government of the future
colony, it would be provided for as elsewhere,
by the appointment of a governor by the Crown,
with a Legislative Assembly elected by the settlers, and
a Legislative Council nominated by the Crown, or its re-
presentative. This proposed arrangement, which was in
accordance with constitutional law as regarded the colo-
nies, entirely got rid of any objections on the score of
an undue monopoly of trade and commerce by the Hud-
son's Bay Company. The new colonists would be en-
titled to trade on equal terms with the rest of the world.
As far as the Hudson's Bay Company were concerned,
they would of course be bound to submit to the rights
of that company in their own territories. In 1859, when
the charter of the Hudson Bay Company expired, the
Crown would have the power of resuming this grant, on
paying to the Hudson Bay Company th amount they
might have expended in improvements, and in other re-
spects in carrying out the objects of the Crown it making
the grant. He thought, therefore, that the Government
had taken all due guarantees for the preservation of the
rights of the Crown and the protection of the
interests of the future colonists.—(Hear, hear.) His
Noble Friend ' complained that the Hudson's Bay
Company were not fit to be entrusted with the powers
given to them by this grant. But besides that ho did

not agree in the objections raised to the general conduct
of the Hudson's Bay Company. He must remind the
House that the ilinion's Bay Company were the only
persons who would or could come forward with the ne-
cessary capital, and organization near at hand, for car-
rying on the work of colonization in Vancouver's
Island. And it should also be remembered that the
Hudson's Bay Company's interests would have been seri-
ously affected had others been allowed to colonise the
island; and, considering the powers and immunities
which had been granted heretofore to the company, they
would have had a fair claim for compensation had the
Government allowed the island to be colonised from
America. If there were parties anxious to spend their
mo;:ev in colonization, they might go to Australia., to
NoA 7.-:Jand. or to Putt Natal, rasher than attempt to
\p,,hd their Ii rt, at Vunconver-,4 Island, where they
nnt,t nec,s#trily come in contact with a company pos•
sessing a sup nor organization for the purpose. He did
not agree in the objection that the practice of the com-
pany was unfavourable to colonization. As well might
it be said, that because a Noble Lord had a large deer
forest in one part of Scotland he was opposed to rural
civilisation all over the rest of the country. He had
heard much of these charges against the company; but
he roust say that the effect of the information he had re-
ceived was, that the company had exercised the great
exclusive powers entrusted to them for the real benefit of
he Indians. The Noble Lord proceeded to defend the
company against the charges against them of having ne
elected the moral and social advancement of the Indians,
and of having pushed their powers to an extent wholly
inconsistent with the intention with which they were
originally given. On the one hand, he did not
mean to say that the company, acting in the true
spirit of monopoly had given the Indians a fair value
for their furs; but, on the other hand, they
had prevented the introduction of spirits among
them.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord quoted the
opinions of Lord Elgin and Colonel Crofton (who had
commanded the troops at Red River) in favour of the
company's administration of their government. Colonel
Crofton also stated that the Indian tribes had increased
steadily in numbers since the use of ardent spirits had
been restricted by the company, and since the union of
the North-West Company with the Hudson's Bay Com-
pany. On the other side there was the testimony of
only a single person ; and he (Lord Grey) must say
that he was not prepared to surrender the opinion
of the Earl of Elgin and of Colonel Croften to that of
Mr. Isbister. The Noble Earl concluded by stating that
he had no intention of suspending the grant ; but, be-
fore it finally passed, it was intended to submit the sub-
ject to the Committee of Trade and Plantations, in
order that, if there were any further conditions which
could better secure the interests of the Government and
of the future colonists, they might be imposed upon the
company.
Lord MONTEAGLE replied, and the motion was
agreed to.
CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, in moving the second
reading of this Bill, urged on the House that it was a
measure which interfered with no rights, but only pro-
vided a machinery fbr inquiry where corrupt practices
were proved to exist. The Noble and Learned Lord then
proceed to state the general effect of the Bill.
Lord REDESDALE hoped that their Lordships would
come to the conclusion of not proceeding with this Bill
this session. He wished, at the same time to avoid any
appearance of discourtesy to the other House ; but ha
thought the subject was one too vast to be dealt with at
this period of the session, when the attendance of
Peers was at such a low ebb, and those Noble
Lords on that side of the House to whom
he looked for guidance and .advice were absent.
Assuming the principle of the Bill to be only that there
should be an inquiry into cases of corrupt practices at
elections, he was prepared to agree to the second read-
ing, but he could not go the whole length of this mea-
sure as it had come up from the other House. He ob-
jected especially to the proposal to vest in a Commis-
sioner the arbitrary powers of inquiry, in cases where
corruption was alleged, that were given by this Bill.
The Noble Lord, after stating that he should not oppose
the second reading, said that he should move a resolution
to the effect that while the House approved of the gene-
ral object of the measure, still they thought that it was
inexpedient to proceed with it at this period of the ses-
sion; but they would be prepared to proceed with a
measure on the subject next session.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—My Lords, the
course taken by the Noble Lord opposite places me in a
situation of some embarrassment; because, considering
the facts which have come to our knowledge, considering
the state of things which this Bill was intended to cor-
rect, the corruption that prevails, and which has led to
a virtual suspension of the constitution as regards the
boroughs implicated, I did think, my Lords, that it was
incumbent on us to aid in providing a remedy and a cor-
rection for such abuses. But, my Lords, at the same time
I do not deny that there is much in what has fallen
from the Noble Lord in favour of a suspension of the
proceedings on this measure. But while I admit this,
I must express a hope that we may be enabled to pursue
such a course as will satisfy the public and the other
House of Parliament that we are not indifferent to the
importance of the subject or to the necessity of providing
some remedy. Still, as it is most desirable that more
time should be afforded for a consideration of the subject
in this House, I am prepared to agree to the suggestion
of my Noble Friend.
Lord DENMAN had come down to oppose the Bill,
which he considered to be full of errors of every kind;
but at the same time he agreed altogether that there
ought to be some effectual punishment for corrupt prac-
tices ut elections.
The Duke of ARGYLL had also come down to oppose
the further progress of the Bill this session, but was
glad the Noble Marquis had acceded to the wish of the
Noble Lord.
The Bill was read a second time, and the resolution
above referred to was moved by L-ird REDESDALE,
and agreed to.
FISHERIES (IRELAND) BILL.
_ _ _

On the motion of the Marquis of CLANRICARDE,
The House went into Committee on the Fisheries (Ire-
land) Bill.
Lord MONTEAGLE opposed the Bill. He suggested
the propriety at least of postponing the Bill until next
year, as many Bills of greater importance had already
bee❑ deferred, and particularly as it could not come into
operation, if passed, until January, 1849.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE defended the mea-
sure, because the only means of rendering the poor and
miserable fishermen prosperous, and their trade profit-
able, would be to preserve the salmon at proper seasons,
and give them a good supply at those periods when there
was a demand for that fish.

After a few words from the Earl of GLENGALL, the
clauses passed through Committee.
The Parochial Debt and Audit Bill passed through
Committee.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid on the table the
report of the inspectors of factories and mines.
The House then adjourned, at Half•past Eight o'clock.

THIRD READING OF THE PAR-

LIAMENTARY ELECTORS BILL.

HOUSE OF LORDS, AUG. 22.
CONTENT.

DUKES. EARLS. BARONS.
Argyll Granville Brougham_
Leinster Grey Camoys
MARQUISES. Minto . Campbell
Clanricarde Radnor Colborne
Lansdowne Scarborough Cottenham
Westminster Shaftesbury Denman
EARLS. Stratford Eddisbury
AUCklalld BISHOPS. Foley
llesborough Hereford Milford
chariemont Manchester Montfort
Devon BARONS. Monteagla
Beaumont
Fortescue

NON-CONTENT.

DUKES. EARLS. VISCOUNTS.
Mountcashel Hawareten
Beaufort ya Sidney
Rossi
Wellington Strangford
St. Vincent
Manchester Calming
Kiunoull
MARQUISES.
Southampton Sou
Exeter LORDS.
Winchester Wynford
Forester
Hertford Beauchamp
Forester
Romney Ronmey
Redesdale
EARLS. Glengall
Sondes
Desart Roden
Tenterden
Lucan Waldegrave

PAIRS.
Archbishep of Canterbury Lord Tankerville
Lord Clifden Lord liardwicke
Lord Leitrim Earl Leven
Lord Sudeley Lord Templemore
Marquis of Anglesey Lord Crofton
Marquis of Donegal Earl of Exmouth
Earl Fitzhardinge Earl Sandwich•

of Wellington was present at the performance at her
HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE.—His
Majesty's Theatre yesterday evening. Among the =-
Grace the Duke
Count do Montemolin, attended by the General Count
au-
dience we observed the Prince Louis Napoleon, the
Don Juan Montenegro and Colonel Don Francisco
Merry, the Duke of Ahrenbergh, his Excellency the
Russian Minister (the Baron Brunnow), the Baroness
Brunnow, and Mdlle. Olga de Lechner, the Baroness Re-
hausen, his Excellency the Swedish Minister, the Mar-
quis of Titchfield, the Marquis of Clanricarde, the Mar-
quis of Lansdowne, the Marquis of Donegal, the Earl
of Beauchamp, the Countess of Blessington and the
Misses Power, Earl of Bective, Baron Nicolay, Count
de Berke, the Count de Guise, Count d'Orsay, Lord
Charles Wellesley, Lord Adolphus Fitzclarence, Lord
Loughborough, Lady Ann Taprell, Lord Ward, Lord
Mountcharles. General the Hon. H. Cavendish, General
the Hon. A. Upton, Sir George Wombwell, Bart., Sir
Edward Codrington, Bart., Lady Bateman, Sir J. Bay-
ley, Bart., Lady Bayley, Major-General Sir Alexander
Woodford, Bart:, and Lady Woodford, Lady Flower,
Lady C. Townjej,, Mr. Arbuthnot, Mr. Grote, M.P., and
Mrs. Grote, , Koudriaffsky, Colonel Wildman,
Colonel Buelilek,')-Mr. C. Barry Baldwin, M.P., Mrs.
Howard, Mr. and Yrs. Hubert de Burgh, &c. &c.

Lieutenant-General George Guy Carleton L'Es-
trange expired on Monday last at his seat in Yorkshire,
agt d 72 years. This gallant officer served with distinc-
tion chain°. the Peninsular war, and conducted himself
most bravely at the sanguinary battle of Albuera, when
he commanded the 31st regiment, under Marshal Vis-
count Beresford, against the French army, commanded'
by Marshal Soult. For his gallant services on that oc-
casion he received a medal. He was subsequently em-
ployed on various services. In 1843 the colonelcy of the
95th Regiment became vacant, to which he was ap-
pointed by the Duke of Wellington, and on the demise of
Major• General Sir J. Dickson taking place a few
months back, he was removed to the 61st Regiment,
which now becomes vacant by his decease. The de-
ceased General entered the army as Ensign in April,
1798, and his commissions bore date as follows :—Lieu-
tenant, 24th Nov., 1798 ; Captain, 13th March, 1802 ;
Major, 22d May, 1804; Lieut.-Colonel, 30th May, 1811;
Colonel, 19th July, 1821 ; Major-General, 22d July
1830 ; and Lieut.-General, 23d Nov., 1841.