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THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY MORNING, JULY 28, 1846

lhad they failed to show that the free-labour sugar could be ido all the evil which his neighbour might wish him to do. He was aware that the West Indies had already had too much
brought at all to compete with it. His Noble Friend, anxious I From the statennent of his Noble Friend the Member for ' competition, that she already felt the Wound, and was injured
that he should clear himself from the imputation of menu- ! Lynn, with regard to the horrors of the slave trade, the ,by the measures which has been already adopted. He was
raging the slave trade, bad refused to sanction such a measure : Hoote would draw its own conclusions. Slave-traders' vessels not one who looked upon a state of slavery as one of such
as the present. His Noble Friend abstained from the use of carry larger cargoes now than they did previous to the eman- horret is lead been described, but he would conclude by saying
sugar grown by slaves, but yet he did not deny himself the use cipation. One American slaver had lately carried 1,800.. that they were increasing its horrors by attempting to sup-
of other articles which were raised by naves. How he drew The Carolina landed 976 in Brazil, while another vessel had press it by force, and by causing greater losses to those en-
the distinetion he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) did not Made three voyages in thirteen months, landing in the Brazils ! gaged in it.
pretend to say, but he knew that the produce of slave labour 1,820 slaves in the thirteen months. When they considered I Sir R. PEEL said, Sir, this House will probably recollect
was used to a considerable extent in that House, and yet they that the first cost of these slaves was from eight to eighteen . what has indeed been adverted to by the Noble Lord, the
teppeeed the present measure in order to escape the charge of dollars, while When they were landed in the Brazils they Member for Lynn, that at an early period of the present
*sine slave-grown ;Node. Copper, cotton, and other articles sold for 300, they could not wonder that the trade was session, I announced the intention of the late Government to
were slave produce, and they were extensively used. He carried on by men who neither loved their God nor feared propose a measure with reference to the admission of foreign
could show that in no way whatever was greater cruelty in- their fellow man.—(Hear, bear.) But were they, without sugar, which was based on a different principle from that
dieted on the slaves than in the production of copper, yet they , any temptation, sitting at a distance of some thousands of miles which the Noble Lord has proposed. The proposal which I
supported slave-produced copper from Cuba, and had con- from the scene of those cruelties and horrors, deliberately to intended to make on the part of that government was to give
aiderably increased its import. In 1840 they imported give their sanction ?—(Hear, hear.) He trusted that there greater facilities and encouragement to the admission of free
26,000 tons, and in 1845 they imported 41,000 tons. would be found in that House, as well as in the country, those labour, and I have no hesitation in saying that had that Govern-
Such is.the effect if we take free labour sugar from the conti- who would not purchase the luxury of 20,000 additional merit remained in office, the proposal which I should have
saental markets. The continental market% make up the deli- tons of sugar,atdhe priee of so much misery as that which made on the part of that Government would have been that
ciency occasioned by the demands we make on it for free-grown must follow the passing of the Government measure, but that announced at an eArly period of the session. That measure
produce by the importation of slive-rown sugar, so that while they *mild rather be content to pay a fractional sum more for so proposed OR the part of the Government would have con-
we carry on that trade we are in renlity encouraging the slave their sugars for the purpose of encouraging the industry of tained the exclusion from the markets of this country of sugar
trale.—(Hear.) If we take fren grown sugar from the conti- their own country, and discountenancing a vile and horrid the produce of the slave-trade, but would have admitted at
nental market, slave-grown sugar is certain to flow in, and traffic in human life and human misery.--( Hear, hear.) lower rates of duty that sugar which was the produce of free
thus we give an indirect 'encouragement to slavery. 'Whether, Under these circumstances it was needless for him to say with labour and of foreign growth in competition with sugar 'the
therefore, we import directly slave grown sugar from where it what cordial satisfaction he concurred in the resolution of the . produce of our own country. I think it but right, therefore,
is produced, or free tabour sugar from the continental market, Noble Lord the Member for Lynn, and with what ardent—he that I should now state the vote which I intend to give. Both
the result is precise'iy the same—such was the tendency of the wished he could say sanguine—hope he looked for its ultimate' myself and those who have acted along with me have felt that
. present system. Afterthe experience of the last year, would any success, by the House discharging the highest duty of the in the question of slave labour and the produce of slave labour,
man doubt that slavery was not encouraged by the present country, and refusing to give any further sanction to a system there was an exception to the principle on which
state of the law. If so, then they were guilty to the that was as injurious to man as it was dishonourable to corn- the ordinary affairs of commerce were conducted. I
fullest extent in the charge brought against them by coerce,—.(Hear, hear.) i felt that we stood in a peculiar position with regard to the
the Noble Lord (the Frst Lord of the Treasury.) Were they, Lord SANDON did not quarrel with the Hon. Baronet who West India colonies. The case of the East Indies was different
therefore, on such alight grounds as had been stated, to adhere had just sat down for the views he took upon the question, and in regard to the supply of labour, but with respect to the West
to a principle which they could not carry into effect, and this perhaps had that been the first occasion upon which it was Indies we did think that this country did stand in a seecial and
deprive the great body of the people on this country of a cheap proposed to make a distinction in the sugar duties, he should peculiar position towards it.—( Hear, hear.) You had no
and necessary article of comfort ?—( Hear, hear.) The im- have been inclined to participate in them. But would the op- doubt made a great sacrifice in order to put an end to slavery
practicable nature of the present system, was admitted by all position which was" then offered to the Government proposal in those colonies ; you had given for the emancipation of their
Who had fully considered the question. He admitted that settle the matter ? No, it certainly would not ; for, alter slaves a liberal—nay, what many would consider a magnificent
many very honest, sincere, well meaning men were against the agreeing to the principle in 1841, of admitting slave-grown compensation ; but whether or no that was a sufficient com-
proposition of her Majesty's Government, and he was wishful sugar on payment of a particular duty, they could not refus to pensation for what the West Indian interest had given up is a
to pay the greatest deference and respect to their opinions, but reconsider the amount of restriction to be placed upon the in- question open to dispute. Be that as it may, it dig subject the
he was boon ito observe that the sentiments of those parties troduction of sugar into this country, the produce of slave colonies to great disadvantages in competing with foreign
were not participated in by many other parties who were as labour. In 1841 he took the liberty of expressing his doubt of countries where slavery was in existence.—( Hear, hear.) That
much opposed to negro slavery. Looking at the proceedings the expediency of the steps which the House then took ; but led to the conclusion that it was right, before these colonies
of the Liverpool Anti-slavery Society, a more rational ' and having taken these steps, he confessed, after consulting were required to enter into competition with other
practical view of the question had been taken. That some of the most experienced merchants in the country upon countries, that a considerable interval of time should
society at least took a different view to that which had the subject, that the conclusion he had come to was, that they had be allowed to elapse.—( Hear.) It was the peculiar
been taken by the Noble Lord ( Lord George Bentinck ), already settled the question of the admissibility of slave grown circumstances in which the Act of Emancipation had placed
At a meeting which they had just held, they had agreed to re- sugar, a d it now only remained to be decided what were the the West Indian ttat led to the opinion in nay own mind, and
solutions to the effect that the measure now proposed by her best terms the country could admit it upon.—( Hear.) But those with whom I have acted, that we onght to depart from
Majesty's Government was in harmony with the general pries with regard to the encouragement which he offered to the the ordinary principles on which commercial affairs are con-
ciples of commercial intercourse laid thiwn by the late Adminis- slava trade by admitting Brazilian sugar, he had, following ducted. In that opinion; I may soy, I was supported by one
tration, and that taken in conjunction with friendly negotia- the advice of Bacon, placed his opinions upon paper. He had of the most strenuous supporters of the general application
tione with other powers, it was better calculated to lead to the thus ascertained facts to go upon, namely, that if Java sugar of free-trade. The gentleman to whom I altucle is Mr.
extinction of slavery than any other course.--(Hear, hear.) could be sold in this country at a price much less than slave Deacon Hume. On this account we thought it of the greatest
He entirely concurred with the view which this body had taken grown sugar, the latter would
~be taken to Hamhurgh, importance to preset ye to the West India interest the markets
of the question, as he belisved the result would be eventually or some such a place, to make up for he deficiency in the of this country, and that we should give an interval of time
to put down slavery, while the general interests of all other stonily of the former' that was created by the preference before entering upon an equalisation of duties with the pro-
perties would be improved. He would now say a few words which this country exhibited for sugar the produce of tree la- duct of foreign countries. We thought also that the colonies
respecting the West Indian interest. He hen been communi- bour.,—( Hear, hear.) The conclusion he had come to then stood in a different position from other countries in regard
eated with twiny times by leading gentlemen connected with was, that the attempt to draw a distinction loAn een slave to slavery. We had not only put an end to it in our colonies,
that interest, and he must hear testimony to the temperate grown and free labour sugar was a fallacy, and this was one but we had also undertaken the police of the seam, in which
and reasonable manner in which they have urged their claims. reason why he could not support the amendment of we had departed from all the ordinary rules of international
None would regret more than he would, if he thought the the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn.—( Hear.) law. In order to carry that out we formed treaties with other
measure proposed by the Government would lead to any diffi- The prennt measure created a great deal ot irritaiee in powers for the suppression and abolition of the slave trade,
culty as far as that interest was concerned., No one injury, he Brazil and Spain. Those merchants dealing with Breed are er dwe made these enraged in trade to submit to regulations
was persuaded, could be inflicted on that interest without doing hardly sure of their property or their lives. He was far from which were net in agreement with the ordinary laws of COM-
injury to the rest of the community. But he did not appre- -considering that the present measure would give that additional mercial intercourse. We instituted the right of search, and
bend any evil from the operatitre of the measure. He looked encouragement to the slave trade, and he had no doubt that finding that France would not agree to that, we established in
still to the West Indies as the source from whence the people free labour would beat slave labour when admitted upon concert with the Government of that country an immense
of this country should continue to derive their supplies of sugar. equal terms into the market.—(Heor. hear.) Had for- fleet ,o cruise off the coast of Africa, to put an end to the
With capital and energy he felt sure they would continue to -neer Governments disregarded the petty jealousies of the exportation of negrces from there to other countries. This
command the markets of the country. In the same way that planters, and had they encouraged free labour and imported was a violation of all international laws, still I consider it was
he believed the landed proprietors of this country would not labour into the market, there would have been nu occasion for perfectly right we should do so. We had gone further
suffer from the repeal of the corn-law, did he believed the West the present measure, nor would they have reason to say than the simple abrogation of slavery in our colonies ;
India interest would not suffer from the withdrawal of their that a failure had taken place after the experiment we had not only shown a' great example to
present protection. But as the agriculturists of this country had been tried - for the space of fourteen years. other countries in the abolition of slavery in our colonies,
would make up for the absence of protection by capital and by But he hoped it was not yet too late; he hoped the but we did not rely on that alone, for we applied thbeitenbgproohrayesslfiatcuhvaleoll
increased skill and improved modes of cultivation, so did he Honourable Member who had already shown such main force of the 73.1 thatn tlrisdoiimndeoartpdimpeereatroo,uptihettraetnfooreeelt
tsateok
think would the West India planters.—( Hear, hear.) Increased extended knowledge with regard to the question would look the trade.—(
thHeegarn,ehsteiaoro.
skill, and greater energy would make up for any temporary matter boldly in the face, and that he would employ such time view loss which they might suffer, Besides, they bad been favour- as the Parliament should in its wisdom determine, to give the produce of slave-growing countries was admitted into competie
ably considered in other respects by the Legislature of the matter his serious attention. Why should they not make use lion with the produce of our colonial possessfons. In regard to
country. There had been last year a reduction of 10s. per of their extended empire for the benefit of the people, and the statement which was made by the Noble Lord (George
cwt. on re oduce imported into the colonies. But beyond this, grant to their colonies advantae'es over the people of other Bentinck) it is impossible to review it without being shocked
it would be a great benefit to the West India interest if the nations ? He considered it would not be beneficial to postpone at the horror of the system which he deprecates, or without
question was permanently settled.--( Hear, hear.) That in- the question, as the uncertainty which would hang over the final feeling that public opinion and public sentiment will go along
terest wished to be relieved from annual discussions of this determination of Parliament would produce a stagnation in with him in its condemnation. The Noble Lord has given
sort, and they considered it would be a benefit of the greatest trade, the merchant or trader bring afraid to invest his capital. specimens of the horrors of this system, in which the House has
kind, if the question was permanently settled, and if they were He rejoiced that the measure had been introduced. It fully sympathised; and if it could be shown that by raising the
enabled to know what the regular rate of duty was to be. would tend to the prosperity of the colonial interest, especially price of sugar ld. or lid. a pound, an effectual stop
The, present Government proposed to do this. The Noble to that of the East and West Indies, that the planters and would be put to the horrors of this horrible
Lord (George Bentinck) said that slave labour was cheaper commercial men should know as early as possible what traffic, lam quite sure the country would cheerfully make the
than free labour, and that the produce of the latter would have would be the determination of Parliament.—( Hear, hear 7) sacrifice.—_( Cheers.) Twenty millions had been freely given
no chance in competitions. In supporting that statement, When 24,0001. could be made out of an outlay of 6,000/ in in order to release the bonds of the West India slaves; and
he referred to Louisiana. - But in answer to that one season, he did not consider that the traders had muck if the distinction now maintained between slave and free-
be (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would say reason to fear any resolution which they might consider wise grown produce was calculated to abolish slavery in other
that it had been proved that the free labour of Mexico was to adopt, for these reasons he could not give his assent to the countries, lam sure the people of this country would willingly
twice as productive as the slave labour of Cuba.—( Hear.) proposition of the Noble Lord.—(Hear, hear.) hear the tax. I fear that it may at first give a stimulus to
Such he hoped would be the result elsewhere. But, farther, Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY complained that there had slavery. It is not without great reluctance, therefore, that I
he understood that,_ in Cuba even, so dissatisfied were the not been sufficient encouragement afforded-by the Government have come to the resolution to give my support to the mea-
planters_with_ slave labour, that no less than 3,000 free la• to the importation of free labour into the colonies. That was sure.—( Cheers.) lam forced to consider other rather than
bourers had been imported. If Cuba found it necessary to do the reason the crops had failed, because they were not ouffia the mere abstract question ; there was the position of parties,
fthis, would
_pot they find that British capital and energy would ciently cultivated. There was one point to which he would and the prospect of forming a Government on the dissolu-
2oadthesame? In many of the colonies the deficiency of labour call the attention of the House, and that was the fact that tion of the present Government.—( Hear, hear.) I agree
been met, to some extent, by the importation of labourers there were at Berbice 1,050 unoccupied estates, although that with the Noble Lord that It ought to be no sham opposition.
under the restrictions provided by the present laws. The Go country alone would produce sufficient sugar or Europe. In I agree that if any opposition were formed to her Majesty's
vernment were willing, to extend the privilege of importing the year leer the sugar crop of Berbice was 13,000 hogsheads, Government, it ought to be an opposition intended to be tate'
labourers, under such restrictions that the labourers imported and in the year 1841 the crop fell to about 4;500; and since to that Government. I believe it possible by combination to
should be really and truly the same. And while this
advan- that there had been a gradual reduction in the price, occa- displace the Noble Lord ;at least I believe it possible by corn-
tage would be given them, during the time the present mea- sinned by the employment of captured Africans. Those eri.. bination to throw out the measure. I tlnnk it would be pos-
joysure was carrying out, the West Indian interest would en- gag din the West India trade could scarcely sane themselves sable to raise a feeling in this country against this measure, at
no meagre share of protection. For the first from absolute ruin, and there was a great disorganization in all events to raise a fatal impediment to it ; and I feel myself
rear, they would have fifty per cent. protection the West Indies in consequence of the free labourers leaving bound to ask myself this question, whether I could sanction
in their favonr-44 per cent, the next year, 32 per cent, the their employment without notice. He would ask the House, such opp .sition, and I think that I ought not.—( Hear,
following year, 21 per cent. the next year, and 10 per cent, and he would appeal to the country on the question, what hear.) The Government with which I was connected
the year when the equalisation of the duty took place. The right, or sort of right, had they to restrict certain localities? was displaced by a vote of this Howe, tantamount
third year—the critical year of the new proposition—they If they had established the fact that our msrkets were to be to a withdrawal of confident!, from that Government.—( Hear.)
would possess 32 per cent, in their favour—a fair and ample free to every country in the world, he contended that they had I yielded to that vote. The Noble Lord was called on by her
amount of protection under the circumstances. But he hoped an equal right to permit the people of this country to put- Majesty to form a Government, as it seemed, with the appro-
they would not alone trust, under the new system proposed, to chase their sugar in the cheapest market, without any sort cif hation of this House. The Noble Lord is prepared with a pro-
the importation of labeure.rs, but that they would cto every- restriction, They had no right to say to the people of this posal fir the final adjustment of this ques.ion. lam prepared
thing ira the is power to cultivate the soil, and bring country, is You shall only be permitted to purchase your for that. The Noble Lord could not accept of power without
and capital to bear upon it ; in doing which he sugar fr,-nn the British dominions." He contended, that if being prepared with a proposal on this subject. I could have no
felt persuaded they could safely go into 'cornp.tition they had free trade with respect to corn, they should have free doubt of it.— (Hear.) When in the beginnit.g of last year, in
with the produce ot any other portion of the world.
(Hear, trade with respect to sugar and every other article. He caned the month of February, 'proposed my measure on sugar, the
bear.) And to enable them to prepare for the change, and to upon the House to take into consideration the necessity of Noble Lord proposed a motion en the same subject, fur doing
bring their energies to bear upon their possessions, he thought carrying out, to their fullest extent, the great principles of fro r away with the distinction between slave and free-lebour sugars.
five years protection, as now prep wed, sufficiently ample. Ill's- trade which they had recently sanctioned. That was the course which he pursued on that occasion.
sure% would also be brought forward to benefit the West India Sir J. HOGG assured the House that his earnest desire was —( Hear.) In tee course of this year, when this question came
interest in ether respects. He W 43 enabled to state one mea- that the people of this country should hare an abundant sopely on again to be considered, the Noble Lord, before the Easter
sure, which was the redaction of one-third of the drfferential of sugar. --t Hear, hear.) That was his desire in 1841, and rec'ss, gave notice of a motion to the effect that the distinc-
duty on rum ; and he promised that interest he would support that was his intention and desire now. But five years had since t ion between slave and free-labaur sugar was im,- oit c And every claim claim which they could fairly and in justics establish elapsed, and he now asked hims.•lf whether thee alteratioris iust, and that it could not be maintained. and that it should
as necessary for their well-being. There wag another claim that heti been c Tried out—had his anticipations been, realised—had be abolished. The Noble Lord's proposal then was, that this
would be benefited by the present measure. He meant the the measures which he supported been carried out as suecess- distinction between slave and free labour sugar should be
ship-owners, who would be greatly benefited in the earns leg fully as he could have desired ?if he found that the measures abolished. The Noble Lord, and those who sit with him on
trade, if the Proposed aberafien were made. Instead of fo• which he at that time supported failed in producing the reono the Treasury le-riches, put the same construction on certain
reign bottoms being employed in the Brazilian and Cuhs, trade, which he anticipated, then he should be ashamed to rise in his treaties, as I and those that are with me, put upon them ;
as now, But; after
v",'l, wAti'l he /tiniest entirely ern- place in that Horse., and urge upon that assembly to continue but I said that good faith must be kept, so far as effected
°Ye". putt after all, the interests of the great body of the the adoption of me ieures which h•id signally failed. He week 'he excluding of certain produce from the markets.
ralbourin; pf,pu!ation of the country was what they had to ask, did the measures which were then adopted afford the —( Loud cries of Hear.) Consequently notice has been
consider, snit these would be greatly benefite iby the measure. people f this country an adsepiate supply of sugar? He need given of the course which the Noble Lord would follow, and
Whatever they might do for other clasess they were bound to scarcely argue the point. It so happen, d that the calculation good faith and consistency required that that distinction
consider the comforts of this class, and there could be no which the Noble Lent opp site had made, as to the quantity of between slave and free-labour sugars should be abolished.-- that it would confer a great benefit on them, in giving
gar extorted to arrive in this country this y 'ar, was almost ( Hear, hear.) Now I could not doubt that the Noble Lord,
them a large, abundant, and cheap supply of a necessary— yerbatim'_annon tolidein verbis—the same calculation as when he was called to power, would abolish that distinction.
nay, an indispensible article of life, It was on that ground he ( sir J. 1-logic) had -himself ventured to indulge :in It was indeed open to the Noble Lord to proceed immediately,
mainly that the question was now brought under the consider- teal, five years ago —( Hear, hear)-115000 tons from the or to take time for the mature consideration of the subject,
anon of the House. • (The Hon. Gentleman sat down amidst WY.St Indies, and from the Mauritius, as the Noble Lord made but the Noble Lord has chosen to proceed at once. Whether
loud cheers.)
it appear, 750;0 tons had been received, and he ( Sir John he proceeded at once, or took time till next November, it was
Sir H. INGLIS thanked the Noble Lord the Member for Hog.) ventured to calculate five years ago that the amount that a mere question of time. I understood that the Noble Lord
Lynn (Lord G. Bentinck 1, for the temperate and practical would he received would be 60,01)0 tons. He had ventured to and his friends would effect the abolition of that distinction.
resolution which he had submitted to the House, and for the slate that in the following year India would yield 100,000 Why perhaps it was better that it should be made at
speed' with which he had supported it, so complete and con- tons, and he did not make that statement rashly. He in- once, as far as it may affect many interests in
elusive in its reasoning, and so full of fact, He, for one, was formed himself from those quarters where the most authentic the country. But there are many questions on
willing to rest the decision of the question on that most con- information was likely to be—he made every inquiry in his which mature deliberation, perhaps, might be necessary ;
elusive speech ; but as it was not the tustorn of the House to power, and he believed that those who furnished him with the the introduction of molasses duty free into this country, and
decide any matter by single combat., he would shortly occupy , information had no desire to deceive.him. How came it then the spirit duties—( Hear, hear)—were questions which he
the attention of the House. The Right Hon. Gentleman the that the injury did not develope itself ? The population of trusted the Noble Lord would take into further consideration,
Chancellor of the Exclunmert in the greater portion of his India was pre-eminently a swear eating people.— because he was doubtful at to the effect which the reduction of
speech, spoke as a Chancellor of the Exchequer for the next ( Laughter.) It was almost their only luxury ; and they in- the duty on them may produce. Now, in the first place, in
year. The greater nnrtion of the speech would have been Bulged in it as far as their means would. allow them. But they speaking of the West India colonies, we must remember that
more appropriate es, stay 10, 1847. The sum total of it was, del not indulge in the use of manufactured sugar. The Noble there is a great expense attendant upon the imigration of free
"We want 3.51;000f. in April, 1847, and we must make it up Lord had said that suear could may be exported when it was lab tuners. There is a great expense attendant upon
by some ',teens." That sum he wanted, and in what at a certain price. But he ( Sir John Hogg) begged per- the introduction of naives from the East Indies; and
way he got it he did not seem greatly to care. He mission of the House to say that that statement was erroneous, there is a far greater expense in bringing Africans from
atateni his expeetatioa that 20,000 tons of slave-grown because the people of India scarcely ever consumed menu- the coast of Africa, but still this ought not to discourage
sugar would be imported next year, but he did not fectured sugar, The sweetmeats which they consumed were your encouraging this immigration to the colonies; and in
exprers any regret, or misgiving that such a sum as he had made of unmanufactured sugar. He was rather well pleased saying this much, let me observe that you ought to accompany
named should be realised irons such a source. They were to acknowledge that India did not send 100,000 tons to this the introduction to the colonies of native labourers with an
then told that' the obligations of treaties comelled them to ad- country. The increased production of sugar in India was adequate supply of females.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) If
• rat slave groan sugar, and that, therefore, they obliged little than adequate to the increased consumption among you determine to attempt a supply of Coolies for the West In-
to give Spain advantages which Spain did were
s ff more
as
not' that the people of India. He was really sorry that_ far as his ties, for the purpose of promoting the ultimate success of yule
were so, than he (S r R. Inglis) maintained .the treaty of knowledge of India went, those fair~ visions of the Noble Lord 'plan, it will be of the utmost importance that there should be
Utrecht shou'd be repealed, and the preference-giving prin- as to the increase of capital could. not be realised.—( Hear, a due proportion of females introduced into the country.
ciple abandoned. But he did not think that the treaty of hear.) He was sure that the Noble Lord must have been Entertaining, therefore, these views upon the subject of ad-
Utrecht warranted the construction put upon it. The treaty mislerl—( Hear, hear)-- in the calculations which he had laid miffing sugar, the produce of slave labour, into competition
of Utrecht was limited to trading transactions in Europe only, before the House as to the production of the Indian soil, with free-labour sugar, Ido hope the Noble Lord and his
and did not extend to the colonial possessions of the two coon. and still more as to the productiveness of Indian capital, Government will reserve to themselves the power of here-
tries ; but if the treaty really warranted the construction put If In failed in his anticipations as to quantity, he did so also n efter considering what are the equivalent advantages which
upon it, then ought they to relinquish the principle of regard to price. During the six x months of this year, the he will give to the West Indies.—(Hear, hear. ) But I was
favoured nations altOgetl;er.-4Cries of ss Hear, hear.") imports and' deliveries are less than the corresponding six ' going on to say that I did not feel myself justified in entering
He resisted this measure because it was a great discourage- months of the preceding year. The consumption of the into a combination for the :purpose of displacing the Noble
went to British industry in the colonies, and a great encourage- world should be looked at. The consumption of sugar in the
which be
hadhis Government within six weeks after the day on
went to a most inhuman traffic. The sufferers that it would whole world was 840,0.00; the whole amountof sugar grown office.—(Hear, hear.)
_But, says the
Noble Lord'
the assumed
fur Lynn, you may safely enter into
produce Wnedd not be confined to Cuba—they would extend to in the tropics are only i 71,00). The difference was made up
the Brazils, and whatever other part of the world men should of beet root sugar from France. The consumption
.. of Europe such a combination, and the Noble Lord will still retain omen
choose to drag them. The tortures which had been described alone was 675,000. The balance remaining in hand at the Well,
adopt, but this I will say, that I think the Noble Lord, I will not pretend to know what course the Noble Lord
b
by his Nee Friend that evening were tortures which the ad- conclusion of each year was only about 131,000 will
oocates of this measure must be prepared to perpetuate and or one . month's consumption......(Hear, hear.) . The case under the circumstances in which he is placed—under the cis
patronise ; for every ton of sugar imported into this country was so with no other article. It was melancholy to re- cumstances in which he accepted power—and being defeated
was produced at the expense of the blood of three African fleet on the condition of the people of England, whose now on so important a measure of his commercial policy as the
slaves, and these three slaves were got at the expense of nine consumption of sugar only averaged six pounds per head. Upon present, would, I cannot say give up power, but, in my opinion,
from the coast of Africa—a cost which, wish all the attendant the question of protection he could not say much, having voted he would be fully justified in doing so.—( Hear, hear.)
evils of kidnapping end torture, was countenanced by the for the radual abolition of the corn-laws, he should be sorry to Those, then, who ,compel him to abdicate power ought to
authors of the measure ; and if these nine individuals were stand up in °Pe-m,sifi" to the gradual abolition
~ of the duties exercise their discretion, and, in doing so, they are bound
multiplied by 20,1.400, the result would be not less than 180,000. upon sneers. (Uneers. ) He did not stand there in any other to ask themselves whether in the event of success they are pre-
-( Hear, hear.) That was the wrong which they, a Chris- cpacity'than that of a Member of Parliament. He did not pared to undertake the Administration of public affairs. There
tian assembly, with all their professions, were asked to en- stand as the dele ate of she East hew, interest. They did are circumstances in the history of every country where that
courage. He must say, deliberately, Goa forbid! He hoped, nut wish protectiogn. Like all other class-s, they would take question must be asked by those who enter into combinations
at least, that those he saw on the other side of the Hu-e, who ' protection if you give it them, and, like everybody else, they for the purpose of displacing a prevailiegGovernment,—(Hear,
had often opposed slavery, would not vote with the Government. would keep it as long as they c,uld.—(Cheers. ) The case hear-) Two Governments have existed within the last six
He did not °prise it - from party feeling, but i was asdifferentoofbetween the East and West Indies, weeks. Shall third h f ed ? Upon what principle?
lie a e orm
in cons-queric the amii
that
of labour to be obtained in the (Hear,
_ hear, and laughter.) Shall their be
,I. restoration of
he and those who agreed with him shoired to give more
time to the Government to consider the measure. He said , East Indies. He wished the West Indians had had twitt
the late Government?— Cries of "No, no.
He n great mistake to suppose that the
there was an enormous increase in the free-labour sugar of I or three years to mike preparations for the contest with the
tchoin:kurthitait
tthhaetla°tPeinGinilv"e—r'n(Mileenatr' having hear,
withdrawnan d l
laughter.)
u
)ghtlellt:o.me)ntoifffiredel.yeo
India; it was stated to be 50:),V00 tons, the actual pro ;uce of : East Indies.
the
Hd thought
cooiiet; aweq
tieto the labour of the, in consequence of a significatiOn in the ,art of the House,
India. Was it to be suppos-ad, he aired, if the Briti-h markets i joheur
eeelisa,,eass
.labourers. He hoped the Government would take into tantamount to a vote of want of confidence l in its policy the
were op. ned to all the world, that this would not soon find its i
way into Europe? .11i4lit the demand not be met by this ? filch* coneidesation the propriety of having a general
free trade defeat of the Government who succeeded it by a combination
Why, the sully from the Mauritius alone was, twelve years —tint a one-sided free trade—and that they would be allowed effected by the former within s:x weeks after its determination,
1 believethe country (..
ago, 27.730 tons, and last year, 35,800 i and for the seas-en to use the. Malone and other sugars in the distilleries of this without any prospect of future success, would be.discreditable
instead of the trashy have little confidence i
1846.47 the calculation was thatnot less than 61),000 tons would 'country and Scotland and Ireland. The public should have to the country.—(Cheers.)
is those who had thrown them
come in. He heal a list in his hand showing the capacity of the best spirits which could be obtained, . .
estates on that island—a list exhibiting one-eighth of the whole substances now forced upon them by the existence of the pre.. out, and therefore, entertain ne; these
sake
forikeewos
d rhoislp publiclhaveaoiu g
produce of the island. Estate A produced, in 1643, 303 tows; sent intricate excise laws. He thought that the duteyot.n rHume
acdovmaeuttaegethbe,ecuoLnercliunstioono tohoamtbiltuawtioonulfdor
the
not b
la 1844, 400 tong;. in 1845, 500 tons ; in 1846, Km tons ; should be more fairly equalised than it was at presn .
and for the seansin of testa it was expected that the return would now say a few words in reference to the slave trade. the present Government. The protection party,cevith whom I
woul I be 1,0 to. Other estate, exhibited a like increase of aLock at the Acknowledgment of Fowell Buxton. He acknow- am prepared to speak with all respect, at any rate cannot be
return, though seinedtrat more irregular. Here, then, was le god that all thee bed done for its suppression was a surprised
one of the colenies of England producing last year one-fourth magnificent
'allure. • Notwithstanding all the exertions then that they themselves could not take office, or form a
Government, with any ; prospect of advantage or success nor
of the while quantity consumed in Britain. He said he should the slave trade had of late increased. Cuba, whieh thirty are they, perhaps, prepared to enter into a combination for de!'
mot regret the (thanes, which had been made in the social con" years ago had to import sugar for her own consumption, new feating the present occasion with a view of recalling those to
ditiors of the pimple of the West Indies; still less should he re- manufactured 200,03 tons, and there was evidence sufficient power who have just left office.—(Hear, hear.) I say, then,
gret that great sum which was voted by this country as its con- to show that 101,000 slaves ware annually imported there. If that what has taken place, seeing the:manifest divergence of
tribution in honour of the principles which it held but he they wished to destroy the slave trade they must allow slaves to opinion exhibited on this measure amongst those who were the
never wooly feel "ther than regret that the country should • etnie,a:e to the West Indies, and carry back with them into supporters of the late Government, only confirms me in the
have left her colonies with nu better supply of free labour._
Alsa the principles of civilisation. opinion
would
defeatingbea tattended
n the
ded
by Noble
n o good
dd
results,upon this n
dcommercial
( Hear, hear.) As for the importation ot lilll Coolies, it was i 51r. HOPE thought that this measure was one of great measure _
now under to grea.' restrictions that it was accomplished 1 severity, if not of great injustice, towards the West Indies. He admit that lam not prepared to take the consequences of such
with perfect safety to th.ose individuals themselves, and as there •
' did not advocate the continuance of the preeent. protective
ta. coneflusionaosotmhaptelsl atibluoislee
utboo—b(aCvhoefearkso)u—psaeretining
tbteeppuboslito-
if their liberties were encroached on or duties, but he thought the measure would be productive of great ion.o parties
was a local authority,
undue advantage were taken of them,
they
could immediately injury to all those who had property in that quarter of the globe. services of the countorfy toconsiderthequestion of what
apply and find a ready remedy. They ought to recol- The difficulty they would have to contend with in Afrtca would will be the result displacing. the Government which
for six weeks. At the same
lest also that their colonies had an almost un-
il h* h be the difficulty of inducing free men to go there. The condi- has now held power
limited command of soil, soe wic might raise tion of tee eole of Africa was that of master and slave, of time it it could
bbe shown that' a
Government
any qsan ity this countrymight rsquire • Guiana lord and vi-lain. The slaves there were not sold as slaves, nor could be formed vs. :eh could permanently resist the
eht to give 13ritish iintroduction of slave labour sugar by those who, like my Hon.
for example, or Berbice ; and theywere they • eat away except for a crime. But still the re slavery
pricers that adyant ige which v. ouruld enailethem to ratff". e a sees mo,i distinct and undoubted. The people were not to be 1 Friend, &merely think that at all hazards the introiltietion of
df. I e
supply equal too the demand. He aske "r a Pre e•euse f
or i I roeured but with great difficulty, and then in very email 1 articles, the produce of alave-labour, should not be allowed, it
them—n 't n xclusive preference. but such a preference t numbers. In India the ease ass different they had an ; would be a different thins; but I have' serious doubts whether,
would reicnburse them fur their capital. Ir had been said that -I ahundaot 'al'ldY. and under a system which had been lately in the present state of public opinion, the formation of any Go-
evening, that if they retused this measure they deproree the introeueed, eupgratten from !tuba was going on to a consider_ vernment could permanently continue the present system. If
poorman of those luxuries which wore almost necieseriee of . able exteor, and there were no less than from ''0•000 to 30.001) indeed you could lay down the principle that you wi,uld, ueder
inn .. Deprive him of the luxuries" were cords too poetical men :dread), embarked on ,heir peeage ; and by the present no circumstances whatever, consume the produce of slave la-
fer the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He said it would net , measure they entirely tn,k away frtsit, the,e ;eople tine pro- hole, anti you coul, hold out to the colonies the assurance that
deprive any poor man of a single half-ounce of sugar; whereas - aPect 'ot ant'il
fair remnaration for their labour. He mug ob_ that principle would be adhered to, it would be a
the adopeon of ti
f the measure wultt tinge his tisornin z, aid his jeejest.,,
to e, sate thee ma 1.-by a Government officer, Killitil he different matter; but is it likely or probable
venini meal with hio(Landhter. ) The measure eecnu- thought. liefain It was the letter at dlr. John Porter, stating that a Government could be formed either byn any
and he saw no reasen why he should an opt it— that the West Ladies could producc an ample quantity f sugar i
I
"4"‘i 14vel' tdo all the ..ciod he desired to do, ne should party or any combination of parties, which could hope to per.
pumidect-it bad sufficient stimulus i 4 the via; of cumpetitien: ' suinently mam' tain the principle, that articles -theproduce of
*by, 0` to ould sot a
.. an reeseieleass etweetee's—esze•e-

i tiave labour shall not be admitted into this country.—( Hear,
I hear.) Let me then observe that the Noble Lord, the Mem-
ber for Lynn does not lay down the principle that articles the
preduce of slave labour shall not be admitted. The Noble
Lord does not even lay down the principles that we will main-
tain the state guo, that we will admit cotton that is now used
in this country, that we will admit tobacco that is now used in
this country, but that we will go no further, that we will per-
mit no further violation of the principle which tend to con-
tinue slavery.—( Hear, hear.) The motion of the Noble
Lord is in fact similar to the resolution, which
was moved by my Noble Friend the Member for
Liverpool, in 1841. He wished to continue the discriminating
duties on slave -labour sugar, because the admission into this
country of that article depended, in a great measure, upon
the supply of sugar the produce of free labour, ( Hear,
hear.) The effect of the Noble Lord's resolution is,
that under certain circumstances—if the prices were
greatly increased—you would admit slave-grown sugar
into the market under certain modifications. What assurance
could merchants have of the permanence of any arrangement
which did not contemplate the difficulties which might arise
from a scarcity, natural or artificial. The estimates which be
has formed might be less favourable at some period than they
are at the present moment, and in such a case the planters
would have reason to fear that the people of this country would
not tolerate the high prices.—(Cries of " No, no.") Well, if
you say " No, no," are you prepared to affirm, as permanent, a
resolution, be the state of the market or the occasion
what it may. that you will not admit slave-labour sugar.—
( Hear, hear.) But that is not what you are prepared to:affirm,
and you do not give any assurance to the colonists that they
may safely rely upon your permanency of legislation upon this
question ; and you, therefore, bring doubt and insecurity into
the minds of the capitalist and traders. The Noble Lord has
endeavoured to make a permanent adjustment of this question,
and the colonists, as well as all those in the trade, attach the
utmost importance to a permanent adjutment, as it
will enable the capitalist to know with what he has
to contend. He will know, moreover, that there
will be extended to him a qualified protection,
and that at the end of a certain period there must be free
competion.—( Hear, hear.) Unless you admit the principle of
the Noble Lord, that slave labour at some period must be ad-
mitted to compete with free labour, you cam of attain perma-
nency in any measure you adopt. When I proposed to reduce
the duty on free labour, I did not hope to introduce a permanent
measure ; had I remained in power it was my inten-
tion to have proposed the c ntinuance of the sugar duties.
for one year, in order to give the experiment a farther trial.
Rut I doubt exceedingly that this House could be prevailed to
pass a permanent law which did not contemplate a± some period
the flee admission of slave-grown sugar. Any other proposal
would have been subject to the disadvantage of being
a temporary measure, and the sl.ve holder, seeing
the state of public opinion in the country—seeing
the division of parties, and that the subject was o-e
of continual controversy—never would abandon the hope
that at no distant period he would be admitted to the same ad-
vantages as the cultivator with tree labour. He would not
fail to cherish that hope.
'_The slaveholder in Brszil would
nourish the same hope, he would be constantly expecting that
at no eistant day he would be admitted to comoete with
free labour, whilst the capitalist in free labour would
not know whether it would be safe to invest his capital in the
cultivation of the Otaheitan cane, which promises so many
great advantages to the producer. . I believe, on the whole.
that, in the present state of public opinion, there may be a
chance of temporary contribution to the promotion of
slavery, but I believe it will be only temporary, and that
the evil of continuing the uncertainty far out •
weighs any consideration of such a character. I w;11
not enter into a detail of the plan of the Noble Lord ; my
earnest hope is, that his 'great object will be to make a final
settlement of the question.—( Hear, hear.) I do hope that he
will listen with attention to every proposal which, doing away
with a destructive duty, may have for its object the intention
of enabling free-labour sugar to compete with slave sugar. I
do not enter into details I do not wish to
embarrass him. My support will be of a bond fide kind,
and he will feel that he is best ensuring the success of a
great principle by enabling those who have nothing but their
labour successfully to compete with those who continue the
traffic in slaves.—( Hear, hear.) Sir, entertaining, therefore,
this opinion, avoiding any discussion on the details, entertaining
a sincere belief that at no remote period, if this measure be
obstructed now, that it must be ultimately carrried—( Cheers)
—believing that if any one is to carry it there is none better
entitled to the credit attached to success than the Noble Lord.
—(Cheers)--I am come to the resolution, not, as (said
before, without hesitation and without reluctance, to give my
support to the principle of his measure, and in supporting the
principle of that measure it is my resolution not to embarrass
him by a vexatious opposition.—(Loud cheers.)
Mr. P. MILES, amidst some confusion, moved the adjourn-
ment of the debate, atter which _

some questions to Sergeant Potter, as to the treatment of
his brother in the hospital.
Mr. Clark then proposed to call Dr. Warren, the surgeon
of the regiment, but,
Mr. WAKLEY said he could not receive Dr. Warren, in
consequeuce of the position he held. He could take a state-
ment he might choose to make as evidence, but he might
find it necessary •to go at greater length into the case, and
inquire whether the punishment was legal or not.
Mr. Clark still pressed to call Dr. Warren.
The Rev. Dr. S. Trimmer, Vicar of Heston parish, stated
on that Monday, the 13th, a Sergeant Major of the regiment,
came to him and said he wished to see the sexton. He told
him he was the clergyman, and inquired his business with
the sexton. He replied, he wished to see him respecting
the burial of a soldier, which was to take place at
the Heston churchyard at four o'clock on the following Wed-
nesday. He inquired the cause of the soldier's death. He
replied cf a liver complaint. Asked him if it was true that
that soldier had been recently flogged. He replied he had
been flagged about five weeks before. Asked him if he was
aware that reports. respecting the death of the man were
abroad. He said he was. Told him, under all the circum-
stances, he wished him to go to his commanding officer and
express his (the rev. gentleman's) opinion, that previously
to his being called upon to perform the funeral service he
should have the authority of the Coroner for his burial. He
still persevered, and fixed the funeral for the time he had
mentioned. Told him he could not fix any time until he
obtained further information respecting the man's death, and
that he should expect a communication from the barracks.
Remained at home the whole of that day, and until about
nine o'clock the next morning, but received no communicae
tion from the barracks up to that time, as he had a meeting
to attend at Brentford at ten o'clock that msrning. He was
a magistrate. Before going he felt it his duty to addresi a
letter to the Coroner on the subject, which he placed in the
hands of Mr. Lawrence, the inspector at Brentford, and beg-
ged him to forward it with the least possible delay to the
Coroner. Returned home, when I received a communication
from the barracks. (The letter the witness addressed to the
authorities of the regiment was here lead, and simply de-
tailed what is stated at length in his evidence.) He after-
wards received a communication froth the barracks, stating
that the man had died fr in disease of the heart, which he
thought strange, as the surgeon had stated that he died from
disease of the lungs.
Mr. L. Lewis, the registrar of the district, residing at Isle-
worth, stated that on the morning ot" the 14th inst. a soldier
of the 7th Hussars. came to h!in to register the
death of 'White. He stated he was not present
at the death of his comrade. He also said he had
not been in attendance upon him previous to his death. Told
him he could not grant him a certificate unless some person
came to him who was present at his death, and that he
should also require a surgeon's certificate. He went away
saying he would send the hospital sergeant. Told him to be
quick, as he wanted to go out. He never told hint that they
were in a hurry too at the barracks, ae they wanted to bury
the man at twelve o'clock. Sergeant Potter came at ten
o'clock with a certificate' which the witness produced sail
read. It stated that White was twenty-six years of
age, and that he died from inflammation of the heart.
It was signed " Samuel Warren, Surgeon to the
7th Hussars." Son.e women, who were at work at wit-
ness's house at the time, exclaimed, on seeing the sergeant,
that he had come to register the death of the man who had
been "flogged to death." He had some conversation with
him, in which he stated that the man was flogged about five
weeks before, but that he was well again in a fortnight.
Asked him his private opinion of flogging, when he stated,
to his surprise, that be considered it could not be done away
with. Considered that he had fulfilled the instructions of
the Registrar-office. Did not go to the barracks; but if a
similar case occurred again, he should certainly go to them.
Was not required by his instructions to visit the place where
a person died.
Orient, the constable of the district, deposed to visiting
the barracks, at the request of Mr. Pownall, a magistrate,
where he saw Dr. Warren, who stated that there was no ne •
cessity for an inquest as the man died from pleurisy of the
heart. Did not see the body.
Mr. WAKLEY said the witness ought to have gone and
seen the body. This was necessary when it was believed
that a person had died from violence, Whenever there was
disinclination to show a body depend upon it there was some-
thing suspicious.
Mr. WAKLEY here intimated that Colonel Whyte, Dr.
Warren, and the Adjutant might come into the room if they
thought proper.
They availed themselves of the offer.
Richard Evans, the larder, one of the men who inflicted
the punishment, was then called and examined—He said he
was present at the punishment of White. Received no in-
structiens as to how he was to be flogged. 'Was informed by
Critten that White was to be punished, and was em-
ployed as one of the men. It was usual for the
farriers to flog. He was senior farrier, and it was his duty
to do so. Received orders to go to the Ridingaschool by
Critten, and from his Sergeant, Harris, and Sergeant-Major
Nutt of the " squad." When he first went in, the men had
not formed. He and Critten tied White with the same cords.
He did not think the ladder had been used before. His feet
and hands were tied. First saw " cats" on the floor of the
Riding-school; they were brought in, in a bag, by Critten.
Critten used the cat first, and when he had done, he handed
the cat to witness, and he used it. (The cats were produced,
and the witness selected a light-handled one, which lie
stated was the one with which he inflicted the punishment.)
Mr. WAKLEY—Take it in your hand, squeeze the ends be-
tween your fingers sled see if they are stronger than those on
the other. Witness (after examining it), No; there is no
difference.
Mr. WAKLEY--Did any one say anything to you? Wit
ness—The adjutant said "go on," after the first 25 lashes,
and when it came to my turn, I was certain no one said "Do
your duty." No coil-plaint was made against him that he
would not strike hard enough, or that be struck too hard.
Mr. WAKLEY--How hard do you strike? Witness—That
depends much upon the strength of the man. Some are
stronger than others.
Mr. WAKLEY—Do you mean to say that you receive no
orders, and that you may strike light or hard as you please?
Witness repeated that lie received no orders as to how the
men were to be punished:
Colonel Whyte said, no order was given as to how the
men were to be flogged.
Mr. WAKLEY declined to examine the witness further, and
considered that he was in a perilous position, as it appeared
that he was at liberty to punish the man as he thought proper.
The matter must be further investigated.
Mr. Clark then called Dr..l. L. Warren, who stated that he
took his degrees at the Edinburgh University, and that he
had no other medical dignity.
Mr. WAK.LEY informed Dr. Warren that he was not com-
pelled to make aey statement, and that whatever he did
state might or might not be used against him.
Dr. V arrest seid, he was quite ready to make his
statement irrespective of the consequences.
Dr. Warren then went on to state that he was not present
at the Wel of White, but that he examine : him cal efully,
and found that he was in a fit state to undergo corporal
punishment. imprisonment, or otherwise. It was usual in
the British army for a surgeon to be present at the infliction
of corporal punishment.
Colonel W hale explained that the sentence of the court-
martial was transmitted to the Commander-in. Chief, accom-
panied by a certificate stating that the man was in a fit state
to undergo punishment. It afterwards went to the Judge-
Advocate, where it was kept as part of the record.
Examination continued—A seregant took the certificate
from him, and no doubt conveyed it to the officers constitu-
ting the court-martial. Examined him on the morning of
the punishment. Gave no directions during the infliction of
the punishment, as it was unnecessary for him to do so. He
had the power to stop the punishment if he thought proper.
He was within three yards of White, and therefore knew his
condition. He did not suffer any convulsions,nor did he make
any appeal to him ; he did not feel his pulse, because it was
not necessary in the British army—(Laughter)--could not have
been much nearer to him. When he was taken down, he
directed Sergeant Potter to sponge his back with warm
water. Visited him at 10 o'clock the next morning, and
made an entry, not every day, but every third or fourth day.
His back was in a satisfactory state. Did not order him any
extra diet for some days after he came into the hospital.
When he first came to the hospital, he was put on low, or
half diet, because lie considered his condition required it.
No change was made in his diet until he became ill of the
disease which carried him off: it was changed to " spoon" or
" fever diet," such as tea, &c., three days before his death.
Mr. WA fiLKY desired the witness to repeat the entries in
the book, which he did. To the 18th June he bad low diet
—from the 20th to the 6th of July he had low diet. On the
6th he had " spoon" diet, and two pints of extra tea.
" Spoon diet" consisted of three pints of tea, and
"so much bread." It was the usual fever diet, and
was so regulated by the Medical Board. From the 22d
to the 16th inclusive, fomentations were kept to his back.
On the 22d, ointment and a small portion of extract of lead,
which was applied with lard, or something of that kind,
and which was continued until the 25th. On the 25th a
number of boils appearing, poultices were ordered. On the
28th opening medicine was for the first time ordered,
profuse at first, had not a bad
veryfirst
rainternal
orm egecinefirsotrd etreend.
days.Hi
that re would be fit for duty on the sth
the was
of 6th there was an entry stating that
b,asornial:hcdee6kl:thi.
nuregdsilieh.;e7eohditeti i
the deceased complained of a pain in the region of the heart;
pulse, 80; tongue clean ; bowels torpid.
Mr. WAKLEY then read the evideticeof Matthewson, which
stated that the deceased complained of the lash when in the
hospital, and attrributed his illness to the lash; to which
Dr. Warren, who was p: event, said, three times, "It is."
Dr. Warren said the statement was a falsehood- The wit-
ness
had not spoken the truth. He made no complaint to
him of the pains he spoke of in his inside, and he put it to
Mr. IVakley whether he could tell the pains a person
suffered if lie (lid not mention them to him? His evidence
Contained riumerous falsehoods.

Sir T. ACLAND rose, and said that he did not wish to
persuade the House either to come to a decision at once, or
adjourn the dismission, but he must beg for the indulgence of
the House, whilst he said that in his opinion the Right Hon.
Baronet had come to the determination announced by him
solely from a consideration of the state of parties
in that House—( Vociferous cheering from the pro-
tectionists)—and of the way in which the present
Government might be affected by his vote upon this question.
—(Coutineed cheering from the same parties). His Noble
Friend opposite was either right or wrong in his policy, bat
the question on which they had to decide was one of the
greatest moment, and he (Sir T. Acland), for his own part,
nisclaimed, in the strongest manner, any wish to promote the
interests or views of any party in that House by the vote which
he intended to give on thi, question.—( Hear, hear.) He dis-
claimed, in the strongest manner, tieing influenced by any
hostile opposition to the Noble Lord at the head of the Govern-
ment, in giving the vote which he intended to record on this
question. Indeed, he was prepared, in homely phrase, to give
the present Government " a fair trial and no favour." ( Hear,
hear.) He felt that the Noble Lord opposite was actuated by
feelings of the most upright character when he proposed the
measure. He believed that the Right Hon. Bart., the mem-
ber for Tamworth, in giving his vote on this question was in-
fluenced by considerations as to the existence of the
Government. He would wish to ask whether the wishes
of the parties who were thought to be admitted to a
voice in that House had been considered, and whether
the great masses of the people of this country were admitted
into their councils. He contended that they were not admitted
to a share in the councils of the nation.—( Hear, hear.) It had
been the policy of this country during the last thirty years to do
all in their power to put down the abominable slave trade at
any and every cost, and he could not understand how they now
consistently adopt a proposition to countenance and encourage
the slave traffic in human beings.—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. P. BORTH WICK amidst great laughter and con-
fusion, seconded the motion for the adjournment of the
debate.

The SPEAKER having put the question that the House do
now adjourn.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that as it was not likely that the
debate could be concluded that night he would support the mo-
tion for an adjournment of the debate, which had Deen pre-
viously moved by an Hon. Aletnber.
After a few words from Mr. MILES the debate was ad-
journed.
Mr. EWART withdrew the motion of which he had gives
notice.

Mr. HUME also consented to withdraw his motion.
SUPPLY.
_ _

The report of this Committee was brought up and agreed to.
DEODANDS ABOLITION (No. 2) BILL.
On the motion of Mr. BOUVERIE this Bill was read a
second time.

BATHS AND WASHHOUSES (IRELAND).
Mr. PIGOT obtained leave to bring in a Bill for promoting
the voluntary establishment in boroughs, cities, and towns, in
Ireland, of Public Bat hsand Wasllhouses.

The Bill was then read a first and second time, and
The House adjourned at a quarter-past one o'clock.

THE LATE CASE OF MILITARY
FLOGGING.

The inquest on the body of Frederick White, the soldier,
whose death is alleged to.have been caused by being severely
fl,,gged, was resumed be.ore Mr. Wakley shortly before ten
o'clock yesterday, at the George the Fourth, Hounslow
Heath. The inquest room was crowded to excess, and the
greatest interest was evinced in the proceedings. Mr. Clark,
solicitor to the magistrates, was present to watch the pro-
ceedings on the part of the regiment.
The first witness called was James Elsworth, a private in
the regiment of the 7th Hussars, who stated that the de-
ceased White was more sober than other men in the regiment
He was intoxicated on the night he struck the sergeant
when he saw him strike him with a poker. Had known
White since his arrival with the regiment from America. At
the time the deceased was flogged for the offence the
doctor and the colonel stood on the right of White. The
adjutant stood between them. The men stood in a half-square.
The distance of the adjutant from the Colonel was about
three yards; he stood between the Colonel and the doctor.
Blood was flowing when the Adjutant told Evans to do his
duty Had seen men flogged in the same regiment before.
Never saw Evans flog befbre; had seen Critten flog twice
before. Had seen two other men flog before; Gadhead and
Hogden had flogged before. Had seen three men flogged in
the same regiment, at all of which the same Adjutant and
doctor were present. The Colonel was only at one of these.
One of the men was sentenced to receive 100 lashes, but he
only received 75; in the second, the man was sentenced to
receive 150, but only 50 were given ; in the third case, 150
was the sentence, but the man only received 50. The reason
they did not get the whole number was because they had suf-
fered corporeal punishment before, and they were forgiven the
extra number by the Commander-in-Chief. Dr. Warren and
the Adjutant were at the two last. Colonel Whyte was at
the third case, and at the least I do not consider that the

punishment inflicted on others was so severe as that inflicted
on White. For instance, a man named Ogaie who was
flogged as much in America, received 75 lashes, and was only
in the hospital or riding with the baggage one day; the
next day he returned to hi, 'duty,. and continued at it ever
since. More blood flowed from the back of White than from
the back of this man at the 75th lash. The blows struck on
White's back were harder, in my opinion, than those on the
other man. I made no remark when the Adjutant told Evans
to strike, harder, as we are not allowed to speak whilst in the
ranks but some oneewho I do not recollect, nudged me when
he made this observation. The " cats," two of which were
used in inflicting Ipuniehment on White, had dark coloured
handles. The same occurred in the third case. In
Matthewson's case the hankiles were dark. The blows
struck on Matthewson and White were much the same, as
the same farriers flogged. The Adjutant, before the 100th
blow was struck, told Evans a second time to do his duty.
Did not hear any one tell the Adjutant to give the order.
The hands are tied up to a ladder when a man is flogged.
Hie feet are tied to the ladder also. He could not move.
(The whips, or, commonly speaking, the cat-o'•-nine-tails,
were brought into the room by the direction of the Coroner.
Part of the thongs of all of them were stained with blood).
.Mr. -WAKLEX—Do you see any difference in the thongs
used from the others ? Witness. Yes, I think the two
used are thicker and stronger; 1 liave not heard anything
from the authorities of the regiment about the evidence
given here.
'ln reply to a question from Mr. Clark (put through the
Coroner), he stated he had deserted twice. lie deserted be-
cause he was punished. Could recollect being punished
seven times. Had been five years in the regiment last
April. My name has not appeared in the " Regiment De-
faulters Book" since October, 1844.
Mr. WAKLEY—Have there been any desertions in the
regiment? Witness—Yes, a great many; many have de-
serted oftener than I have. I have been recommended for
in confining
promotion by Colonel Whyte for good conduct.
-botTinh,eisC. orticieNEweashearnexiinotuims
taoteddothtahtist,bere was great difficulty
time it wee necessary to go at great length in order that the
an investigation of this nahtuurtew,eitthaint legitimate
bounds.
real cause of the man's death might be ascertained, and re•
presentations made to the proper quarter.
Metthews,cn was then called in, and stated, in reply to the
Coroner, that he was confined within barracks at that time
for some mieconduct; he had not received any punishment
on account of the evidence given before him.
cou7Allirt.olflrtAhKele.EvYiTenlfcePg)4ivdeonapruen punishment m
let e nnti
me know
ne
rece
it. Witness—Yes. sir. • •
Mr.- Wm: Ler 'intimated that he should not call
either the colonel, dotter; or adjutant., but they were
perfectly at liberty.to come there, and make any statement
here,iv e
takeany
they thought proper, but ill the event of their doing so, it
would be taken as evidence.

Mr. WAlCLEY—Perhaps he had no faith in your medical
skid?

Dr. Warren said he could bring the whole regiment to
state the contrary. The reason lie removed White into another
ward was in accordance with the directions of the Medical
Board, who directed that persons labouring under medical
and other cures should be kept separate. The deceased was
seen by Dr. Hall once before he died. Dr. Reid assisted in
performing cress-examination, and he was present at
it. Ile treated the deceased for inflammation in the pleura
and heart. There was a general order for the Medical
Board to open persons who died in. the army. Dr.
Reid was an assistant-surgeon in the army. There
were taunt adhesions on the left, and old and
strong adhesions on the right side of the chest
in the upper and back part. The lungs were not in-
flamed. The pulmonary arteries were inflamed, but the
pulmonary veins were but little inflamed. The liver was
much enlarged, bat healthy; texture quite firm and healthy.
Kidneys healthy, and of the natural size. Bladder healthy,
although there had been a retention of urine.
_The inteatinT

- .
and stomach Were healthy. (The certificate of the deceased's
leath was here handed to the witness, in which its cause

was stated to be disease of the heari.y. He, said there
was disease in the heart, which was communicated to the
the pericardium was not in an unhealthy

lArger vessc

state.
Mr. WAICLILY—What was the cause of death? Witness—
Inflammation of the heart and pleura.
Mr. WAKLEY—How was.that inflammation caused ? Wit-
ness—lt is impoisible to say, there are so many causes of in-
flammation. Ire knew no reason why the stock of persons
so punished is removed, excepting it protected his neck; all
the men he had seen flagged had their stocks off.
The witness then withdrew.
Tne jury then adjourned for refreshment, until half-past
two o'clock.

Ths jury re-assiembled at half-past two o'clock, and the
inquiry Nkas ie=umed—
Dr. HAII said he was a graduate of St. Andrew's, awl
a Fellow of the Royal .College of Surgeons of London, and •
first class staff surgeon in the army. Saw the deceased on
the day of his death, on account of an order which he re- I
ceived from Sir James M•Greggor, with directions to get to
Hounslow by the quickest conveyance, and arrived here at
twenty mintues past seven in the evening. He met Dr.
Warren, and they proceeded to the hospital, where Dr.
Warren pointed out the deceased. He expired in his pre-
sence, i!
at a quarier past eight o'clock. Dr. Warren stated, '
as a reason for sending for advice to me, that the man had
had 150 lashes, and that he was labouring under inflinnuta-
tion of the chest. Treatment would have been of no use at
that time, as the pulse had subsided at the wrist, and the
ow wag; dying. I 1940 044 twit and rtrund it holed.

The t'rvther of the deceased stand that ho Taloa to put