The Sun.
London, England, 1841-03-06 00:00:00

PRICE sd.

Lord J. RUSSELL said the Hon. Gentleman had
' made no case for the interruption of the proceeding,
with regard to the present Bill!. The Hon. Gentle-
man had stated that a correspondence had taken place
between the Board of Control and the East India Corn-
pany. Ho (Lord John Russell) -bad no hesita
Lion in admitting that that correspondence did
take place. His Right Hon. Friend had asked a
question as to the intention of the East India Company;
and the result of the correspondence was that the E tat
India Company stated it had not been usual for thi
Company, in cases of that kind, to confer the grant 01
a pension—that they could not grant a pension beyond
the period to whiCh their Charter extended—and that it
was not their intention to move in the matter. Ot
courses it was not in the power of his Right Hon
Friend to move the Court of Directors upon the sub
jrct ; all that he could do was to require their atten-
tion. Now the House had al,e ady heard from an Hon.
Member of that House, who was a Member of th,
Court of Directors (Mr. Hogg), the reasons why hr
was of opinion the East India Company ought not
t 3 be catled upon to provide a pension for Lore
Kraele.—(Hear, hear-.) That Hon. Member stated
very truly that the East India Company were
al a great expense, or rather that the pe3ple of India
contributed vary largely to the support of the Queen's
army in India—that the expenses of that army were
very lareely defrayed by the East India Company, and
that in his opinion it was better to take that which was
by far the more usual course, namely, that Parliament
should provide the reward of Lord Keane's services.
Now it was not denied that very large sums were paid
for the army in India, but how far tint was or was not
a ground why they should not entertain any proposition
i of this kind, was a question which he did not :teen to
I argue. His opinion seas that the East India Directors.
I not fee'ing it their duty to move in the matter, it would -
be total), unbecoming in the House to say *bat, al-
though Lord Keane had performed great servicei, they
eheele steed !watering and chaffering with the East
India Company to deprive him Of his reward.—(Hear,
hear.) The reasons of the East India Company
might be very good, but whether they were or
not he repeated that it would be most unjust
to Lord Keane and degrading to Parliament to make it
a matter of barter, and compromise, and bargain between
the East India Company and themselves, as to whetle•
Lord Keane was to have 2,000/. per annum or not.
He hoped that neither the House nor the country was
reduced to that state that they would be obliged to try
and throw the payment off upon the East India Com-
pany, and if they,did not choose to do it, that then
Lord Keene was to be left without any reward. In
Vie course of the debate let year the merits of Lord
Keine had been allowed by all parties, from the Duke of
Wellington down to the Hon. Member for Kilkenny.—
(A laugh.) He trusted, therefore, the Hon. Member
would offer no further opposition to the measure.
Mr. MILES believed the House had no power of
enforcing the claim of Lord Keane upon the East In-
dia Company. The geeeral feeling was that Lord
Keene was highly deserving of the reword, but at the
same time he hoped the House would he cautious be-
fore it would come down with any similar proposition
in the present state of the finances of the country. Her
Majesty's Government were about to grant Lord Keane
for his services in a single campaign the same pension
that had been given to Lcird Nelson, which he did not
think the eircumst noes of the case would warrant.
Sir H. VERNEY was opposed to the views of the
Hon. Member for Kilkenny ; he thought the parties
who benefi ed by the services of Lord Keane were the
British publ c.
Lord STANLEY wished to correct an error in a
stivement of his Hon. Friend near him (Mr. Miles).
His Hon. Friend bad said that they were about to
grant the same pension to Lord Keane which lad been
settled on Lord Nelson. Now it was true that 2,000/.
a-year had been conferred on Lord Nelson when he
had been raised to the peerage. But after his de all
a rension of 5,000/. a-year had been settled on his heirs
for eve! ; and besides a sum of 90,0001., and a sum of
20,000/. were vested in land for the use of his family,
with a power given to the trustees to use these sums iu
endowing his sisters. He (Lord Stanley) thought it
right the Howe should be in possession of these facts
before they came to a decision on Vie present subject.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the motion
Against it
Majority -92
The Report wa; then brought up, and the Bill or-
dered to be read a third time on Monday next.
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se y to make some alterations in the East India Real.
Bill, and, therefore, he should move that the Bill be
re-committed pro forma, and printed, in order to intro-
duce those alteration?.

The Bill then went through Committee, and was
ordered to be re-printed.

SUPPLY-NAVY ESTIMATES.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the Order of the
Day for going into Committee of Supply on the Navy
EitimateE.

Mr. O'BRIEN said there were two subjects which
appeare.l to him to deserve the notice. of the House.
The first was that a true bill had been found against
Mr. M'Leod, on the allegation that he was present at
a transaction which was conducted under the Colonial
Authorities on a charge of murder and arson. The oth, r
was a resolution of one of the Legislatures of the United
States, to the following effect: that the Government be
authorised to take immediate measures to remove the
troops of the Queen of Great Britain from the dis-
puted territory, and that the resources of the State be
placed at the disposal of the Governor for that pur-
pos. He did not know what degrea of authority to
attach to the document, but if it were true it could be
taken as nothing short of a declaration of war. He
was as much opposed to war as any one, and looked
upon it as a great calausity, particularly with America,
because in that case it assumed a fratricidal character,
At the same time he would say, that if war took place
it would not be of their seeking, but they could not
command the allegiance of their Colonial subjects if
they were not able to extend protection to them.
The Noble Lord, the Secretary for Foreign Affairs,
had shown great exertion and vigour in another part
of the world, in which their interference was of a more
doubtful character, and he trusted the Noble Lord
would indicate some portion of that vigour on the pre-
sent occasion. He felt it his duty its an individual
Member to say that in his opinion their interest would
be much better secured if they had a strong fleet within
reach of the American ports than if they had a large
military force ahing the frontier line. He knew not
whether the estimates were on a sufficiently large scale
to meet exigencies of that sort, but the Government
would be wanting in its duty if it did not come down
to that House prepared to meet them.
Mr. EWART could not see any necessity for anti-
cipating hostilities.—(Hear, hear.) He believed that
the mass of the people in the United States were in-
clined for peace with England.—(Cheers.) Ile be-
lieved they understood too well their own interests to
wish to see that peace disturbed by any unhappy diffe-
rence; between the two countries.—(Cheers.) He
would not venture to follow in the footsteps of his
Hon. Friend by drawing a distinction between the
actions of the Government and the people of that
country. He hoped that while we were unprepared
for no enemy no attempt would be made to anticipate
the hostitfes.—(Cheers.) He knew that the feelings
of the manufacturing interests of this country were in
favour of peace—(Cheers)—and he knew that the same
feeling existed among the mass of the people of the
United States.—(Cheers.) He trusted that these un-
happy differences would be terminate I without any re-
course to arms, and he thought that if such were the
case it would be not only in accordance with the feel-
ings but with the interests of both countries.

Mr. HUME hoped the Noble Lord would give
some explanation which would remove the prejudice
which had been crcateJ. Nothing that he was aware
of had taken 1,1 Ice to call for the hostile interference of
the Government. Nothing hal yet taken place, but
under the sanction of civil law ; and it was too much
to appeal to war when they were not aware vrbether
what had taken pace was not in accordance with the
laws of the State. He trusted the Noble Lord would
assure the House that clothing had taken place but
what caul(' be settled in an amicable manner.

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NAVY ESTIMATE'S.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee of
Supply.
A vote of 570,5071. was then proposed for payment
of the wages of workmen in the Dock-yards.
Mr. BARNARD objected to the inadequacy oftl-e
wages paid to the shipwrights in the Dock yards. He
had hoped that either higher wages would have been
paid to them, or that a system of job-work went] haNe
been had recourse to. If they were adequately paid
there would never be wanted a supply of skilful work
jug men to build up the wooden wens of Old England.
The vote was then agreed to.
A vote of 34,500/. was agreed to fur wages of work.
men in
rote
o
the naval a1‘,7182,5 36 l . establishmentswas
proposedabroad.for naval
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outfittings, and steam.maAiinery.
stores,
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Mr. HUME wished to know if
hadbeen
71;_to o,deFdEoßn
RthAe
Lc
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said,t of Syria,
if the Hon. Gen•
n naval stores
.
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tlemao woul,l particularise tiny
stores be would in-
form i:im.

Mr. HUME could not partieularlie ; he asked go-
Lerwly if any of the stores under the care of the Ad-
miralty had b3cn Linde-1 on the ecait of Syria?
Mr. M. O'FERRALL—Not any.
Sir T. COCHRANE expressed au opinion t'sat th