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THE GAUGE QUESTION.

The Earl of DALHOUSIE, in bringing this subject before
their Lordships, felt it necessary to explain why,' after it had been
announced, it had been so long delayed. He had been quite
ready to bring it before the House at the time appointed, but
their Lordships, owing to the change of Ministry, and the
important discussions in which they had been engaged, were
too much occupied to entertain it. But with the consent of
her Majesty's Government he was now quite ready to bring it
before their Lordships. From the present state of the House
he observed that there was not much anxiety respecting
the subject which he had to introduce, and he
would, if they thought proper, most readily postpone
it, although he would rather, if he now consulted his
own inclination, refrain from doing so. The chief
part of the matter had been so fully stated in the report
of the Commissioners, that he had little left to do than to re-
mind their Lordships of what had there been most amply and
perspicuously stated. The resolutions which he had to propose
simply proffered the result of that report, which was chiefly
filled by a consideration of the railway system. The object,
therefore, of these resolutions was in the first place to regulate
the gauge of railways already in existence, and further to
establish an uniform gauge for all railways that may hereafter
be formed. It would be necessary for him to revert a little in
order to put the House in possession of the circumstances
which had induced the inquiry of these Commissioners, and
originated the resolutions which he was about to propose. It
would be recollected that all the railways which had been first
formed were constructed on what was called the narrow gauge ;
but, contrary to the general belief, there did not appear to be
any particular reason why they should be formed of that par-
ticular width. On the contrary it would rather seem that it
was done without any definite cause, and arose more than any
thing else out of the circumstance that the earlier railways were
made to form communications with the tramways for the carriage
of goods and ores when they were drawn by horse power. The
usual width of the carriages drawn by these horses was
4 feet 81 inches, and that consequently became the common
gauge of the more important railways that were at first
formed. After some years a Bill passed through Parliament
for the formation of a railway from London to Bristol. In that
Bill there was no regulation respecting the gauge, and, as by an
agreement with Mr. Brunel, the directors had decided upon
taking the broad gauge, that line was formed with a width of
seven feet between the rails. There was no doubt but that
with the broad gauge there was the opportunity of getting
greater power and more speed, but the majority of the lines in
the country were constructed on the 4 feet 8i inch gauge.
But even that was not uniform, for while these two gauges
were used in some places, the Northern Railway was con-
strueted on a gauge of five feet, and the Dundee and Abroath,
and the Abroath and Forfar Railways were constructed on the
five feet six-inch gauge. This was the case until the com-
mencement of 1845, when an immense mass of railways were
brought into Parliament, and the question of the break of
gauge forced itself on the attention of the Legislature. At
that time upwards of 1,900 miles of railway had been formed
on the narrow gauge, and about 300 miles on the broad
gauge, but then the several railways were not at that
time in connexion with each other. The Great Western line
was formed on the bread gauge, and the Eastern Counties,
and those running to the north, were made on the narrow
gauge, and as they did not join each other no inconvenience
had been suffered. But in 1845, Bills were brought into Par-
liament which compelled the attention of the Legislature. In
that session upwards of 150 Bills were brought under considera-
tion, and among them two on which the question of the
gauge was seriously involved. They were respectively for the
formation of lines from Oxford to Rugby, and the other from
Rugby, by Oxford, to Wolverhampton. The termini of these
lines would respectively meet with broad and narrow gauge
lines. There was a department of the Government whose
duty it was to consider the merits of the several lines about to
be submitted to the legislature, and after much discussion the
MemLers of that department had come to the decision that
these two lines involved an undoubted and serious evil—
namely, the break of gauge; and they recommended that in the
construetion of all future railways, an uniform gauge should be
adopted. But in the meantime, a question had arisen in con-
sequence of the presentation of a petition in the other
House of Parliament, and a Commission was appointed
to inquire into the merits of the different gauges, the
Members of which sat for several months employed in
the arduous and anxious investigation. Upon the merits
of the several members of that Commission he was not dis-
posed to say anything. He was aware that they had, in con-
sequence of interested and garbled statements, been subjected
to gross misrepresentations and attacks, but he must take
leave to express an opinion that no men could have discharged
their duties more efficiently. Their report was now laid upon
their Lordships' table, and he should be saving their Lord-
ships' time by stating the conclusions at which they had ar-
rived. In their report they say that, atter much examination,
they are induced to state that the break of gauge is a
great and serious evil; that many mechanical means, such as
expanding axles, the moving of bodies, and other contrivances,
bad been submitted to them, but that none of them were effec-
tual for the purpose for which they were intended. They
fully acknowledged that the difference of gauge was a serious
evil, and that it was exceedingly desirable that a uniformity of
gauge should be established. It would appear from that
report that the narrow gauge was for the conveyance of pas-
sengers, the more compact for the transit of express
trains, and for the conveyance of passengers and light goods.
On this gauge there were upwards of 1,900 miles constructed,
while there were only 274 miles made upon the broad gauge.
They recommended that future lines should be constructed on
the gauge of 4 feet si miles. They recommended, secondly,
that the companies whose lines are made upon the broad gauge
should not alter them without the express permission of Go-
vernment; thirdly, that some means should be devised for
equalising the gauges, though they could not come to any
conclusion as to the means which were to be used
for meeting the expense ; and, fourthly, they ex-
pressed their opinion of the great commercial advantage of
retaining the narrow gauge, and of instituting it where it did
not already exist. It was certainly very desirable that some
means should be adopted equitable to all parties, for effecting
the change, and establishing an uniform gauge. For future
railways there would be no difficulty, if the recommendation of
the Commission were to be adopted, and the narrow gauge were
to be used ; but the difficulty chiefly arose from the change
from one gauge to another. From the estimates which had
been laid before the Commissioners, it appeared that the ex-
pense of the alteration would be about 1,500,0001., including
the alteration of the line, locomotives, and other things. It
was not right to appeal to the Exchequer for this great outlay,
for the country at large had little to do with the traqfie on these
particular lines. Then again it was not right to call on the
Great Western Company to make the change at their own ex-
pense, for they had made their works under the sanction and by
the authority of Parliament, and it would therefore be a gross
breach of principle to ask that great company to be at the
expense of a million and a half, after they had provided the
best accommodation for railway transit in the country—after
they had not only introduced numerous and valuable improve-
ments, but had stimulated by their example all the other com-
panies to increased display of energy, and increased exertion.
If it were not right t, come upon the Exchequer, still less was
it right to lay a tax on the other lines • for what reason was
there to impose a tax on the South-Western Company, who
were in many cases the opponents of the Great Western Com-
pany? The Commission did not recommend any precise plan,
that they left to Parliament ; but with respect toahe railways
about to be constructed, the resolutions which he had
to propose would in some degree prevent the evil.
Hear, hear.) If the group of railways to the
south of the Great Western line was joined, then they would
get rid of the break of gauge which was at present com-
plained of. The greatest inconvenience would arise if
the break of gauge was continued at Rugby and
Gloucester, while the evils would be got rid of
by the break made at Oxford and Gloucester. It was also
proposed that with respect to the south-western district, the
break should be at Barnstaple, instead of at Reading. Accord-
ing to the arrangement proposed, all railways south of the Lon-
don and Bristol line would be on the broad gauge, with the
exception of that portion of narrow gauge railway which went
from London to Southampton, with its branches. This was

f proposed, not as a comproMise, but for the convenience of the
public.—( Hear, hear.) There was
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in order to provide for the public accommodation in the best
possible manner. The railways south of the Great Western
Railway were to be permitted yto be laid down on the broad
gauge, but then not without showing special grounds before a
Committee, as to such lines being required for the
public. There had been three great lines sanc-
tioned last session of Parliament. One was through
Wales by way of Gloucester. It would, perhaps, for local
purposes, have been better had that line been laid down on the
narrow gauge, but looking on it as a thoroughfare to Ireland,
he thought it would be better for that purpose that it should
re:nain on the broad gauge, for which the Bill had been passed.
The other two lines were the Oxford and Rugby, and the Ox.
ford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton lines. He regretted that
these lines had been passed on the broad gauge principle, and
it would have been well had the report of the Commission
been known before these Bills had passed into a law; still, it
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he was about to submit to the House. The result of the whole
recommendations of the Board of Trade would be that the
south and south-west of England would be connected by means
of the broad gauge, while the south-east would be connected
by a narrow gauge line. To the north and the north-east, the
whole of England, including the manufacturing districts, would
be accommodated by the narrow gauge, and the latter would
also be connected with Bristol and the west of England by a
similar gauge. If the Manchester and Southampton line, which
had passed the House of Commons, passed their Lordships'
House, then their would be a continuous line of railway also
on the narrow gauge from Manchester to Southampton.
ale also proposed that when once those arrangements
were carried out, that no directors of railways
should be permitted to alter the gauge. He had now endea-
voured to give an imperfect idea of what he proposed to carry
out by the resolutions. It might be said that he ought to
have proposed the whole scheme as recommended by the Com-
missioners' Report ; but, on careful consideration, he thought
the present course the most practical and advisable one. He
would not say any more at present, though he felt he had but
inadequately performed the task imposed on him, and would
sit down by moving the resolutions, which were as follow:-
1. That it is the opinion of this House that no line of rail-
way shall hereafter be formed other than four feet eight and a
half inches gauge, excepting lines to'the south of the existing
line from London to Bristol, and excepting small branches of
four miles in length in immediate connexion with the Great
Western and South Wales Railways, but that no such line as
above excepteri should be sanctioned by Parliament, unless a
special report shall have been made by the Committee on the
Bill, setting forth the reasons which have led the Committee
to advise than such a line should be formed on any other than
the four feet eight and a half inches gauge.
2. That it is the opinion of this House that provision should
be made by law to prevent the directors of any Railway Coro_
pany from altering the gauge of such railways.
3. That, in order to complete the general chain of narrow
gauge-communication from the North of England to th 6
louthera coast, arid to the port of Bristol, soy stlitable.rnea-

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sure be promoted to farm a narrow gauge link from Gloucester
to Bristol, and also from Oxford to Basingstoke, or by any
shorter route connecting the proposed Rugby and Oxford
line with the South Western Railway, without preju-
d:ce, however, to the formation of any other
line also connecting, upon one uniform gauge, and by a direct
route, the north of England with the southern coast.
4. That it is the opinion of this House that it is expedient
that the South and North Wales line, with its branches to Mon-
mouth and Hereford, should be formed on the broad guage.
5. That it is the opinion of this House that it is not expe-
dient to alter the provisions of the Acts for forming a line of
railway from Rugby to Oxford, and for forming a line of
railway from Oxford to Worcester and Wolverhampton, with
respect to the gauge on which they may be formed, or with
respect to the powers therein conferred on the Board of
Trade.

Lord REDESDALE said he did not intend to oppose the
resolutions proposed by the Noble Lord, though he was not
satisfied with them. Every one must feel that if a uniformity
of gauge were established it would be of great service to the
country.—(Hear, hear.) The narrow gauge was preferable
f. r soms lines, but it was perfectly clear to the Commissioners,
who had been appointed to inquire into this subject, that the
broad gauge had a combination of advantages over the narrow.
—(Hear hear.) For his own part, he believed that if a me-
dium gauge had been recommended it would have been met
with very little opposition. There were now 1,503 miles in
operation ; more than that were already granted, and still
more than that were in the course of being granted in the
present session of Parliament, and more would still be
sought for in the course of the next three years, and he certainly
thought if the Commissioners had at this most opportune time
approved of a medium gauge, they would have done much to
remedy the evils of the contest between the two gauges. The
resolutions were objectionable, principally because they con-
templated the existence of two gauges. They were powerless
fur good, whilst they would sanction much evil. He did not
think that the two gauzes worked well together, notwithstand-
ing the opinions of interested engineers. Mr. Brunel did not
say last session which gauge he was prepared to prefer—pro-
bably he had now arrived at some definite conclusion as to the
merits of the two schemes—and yet it was at that very time
that the Commissioners declared that it was perfectly easy to
work the two gauges in conjunction. He was afraid that the
working of the two gauges together was liable to great acci-
dents ; the Narrow and the broad gauge carriages going at dif-
ferent speeds, would be ,continually coming into collision.
Although, as he had before said, he did not look upon the reso-
lutions with great favour, and at that late period of the session
he was not prepared to offer a decided opposition to them, be-
cause they might probably be of some service to the public,
still he must say that there was yet sufficient time for the Govern-
ment to inquire into the subject, and thus prove to the public
that they meant to come to some conclusion on this point, and
that they did contemplate favouring an uniformity of gauge.
He hoped that they would do their best to rid this country of
the evil of having two gauges.—(Hear, bear.)
Lord KINNAIRD prefectly concurred in the remarks of the
Noble Lord as to the evil of having two gauges, and he would
take the opportunity on some future occasion of moving for the
appointment of a Commission to take into consideration the
whole of the subject, and the great desirableness of establishing
a uniformity of gauge. Ile contended that the members of
the late Commission had not considered the subject in the spirit
intended by those who had supported their appointment. He
was glad to find that he would be supported in his motion for
such a Commission as he had alluded to. He had been informed
on good authority that had a uniformity of gauge been insisted
on this session the expenditure consequent on the alteration of
the gauges on the part of the different railways in the kingdom,
which would have recognised it, would only have been 800,0001.
He objected, therefore, strongly to the resolutions.
The Earl of GALLOWAY thought the country was in-
debted to the Noble Lord who introduced these resolutions. He
thought there should be a resolution to suspend any farther
railway business till the question of the comparative merits of
the different gauges should be settled.
The Earl of WARWICK thought it highly objectionable
that any line should be laid down with both gauges, similar to
the proposed line from Oxford to Rugby.
Lord HAT HERTON regretted that a subject of so much
importance should be brought forward in so thin a House.
He believed that the inconvenience of the break of gauge had
been purposely aggravated by the narrow gauge party for the
purpose of getting up evidence against the broad gauge, and
he believed if both the lines at that place were under the
management of Mr. Brunel, Mr. Saunders, and Mr. Gooch,
instead of Mr. Hudson, he thought there would have been
comparatively little heard of the inconvenience of a break of
gauge. He thought that the broad gauge must be extended
northwards, for the people of Liverpool and Manchester would
never be content to hear that the people of Exeter could travel
with so much more speed, safety, and convenience than they
could. He did not think there would be any inconveniences
from working a railway on the broad and narrow gauge, and
even if there were, the Board of Trade would have the power to
interfere to prevent the inconvenience.
The Earl of CLARENDON said that the able manner in
which the Noble Lord had expounded his principles to-night,
upon this impJrtant subject, gave hint some alarm ; he feared
that he should not have the abilities to follow in his steps, or to
discharge with the same abilities the duties of his office. It
would, however, be his highest wish to emulate the Noble Lord
in the discharge of those duties which devolved upon him as
his successor in the office of the Board of Trade, and whatever
information he might obtain in his office, he would use it to
promote, to the best of his abilities, an uniformity of gauge,
and an efficient settlement of the question.
The resolutions were then agreed to.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Jury 17.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
NEW MEMBERS.

➢lr. MACAULAY took the oaths and his seat for the city of
Edinburgh.
Mr. Rica also took the oaths andhis seatfor Richmond; and
Mr. GIBSON CRAIG took the oaths and his seat fur the city
of Edinburgh.

Mr. B. BALDWIN moved that Cameron's Coalbroek
Steam Coal and Swansea and Loughor Railway Bill be read
the third time, notwithstanding the certificate required by the
resolutions of the House, on the 23d day of August last, to be
deposited in the Private Bill-office has not been deposited
three clear days, such certificate having only been deposited
upon Tuesday, the 14th day of this instant July.—Agreed to.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
STOCKPORT IMPROVEMENT BILL.

Mr. BROTHERTON moved the third reading of this Bi,

Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE presented a petition, signed by
3,793 of the inhabitants of Stockport, against the proposed Bill.
The petition stated " That the Bill had been introduced into
the House against the consent of the inhabitants. They had
always had the power of disposing of their own money, and this
Bill would take away that power from them." The Hon.
Member then said that the inhabitants of the borough re-
garded this Bill as a gross job. It was proposed
to raise, provided this Act were passed, the sum of 100,0001.
upon the security of the rates. When that money was in the
possession of the town council they were to have the disposal
of it without the control of the ratepayers, and the fact was,
that a great part of it would go to benefit their own properties.
The Member for Stockport was certainly between
two fires. There was the liberal town council on
the one hand, and the ratepayers on the other,
and in this dilemma the Hon. Member entrusted the Bill to
the Hon. Gentleman who had moved it. The House in all
affairs of Railway Bills required that a majority of the share-
holders should guide the affairs of the Company, and in this
ease he would promise, that if a general meeting of the rate-
payers were called within the week, and they supported the
Bill, to withdraw all opposition. But they would not
do that, for the Bill was not of a nature to bear the light,
The effect of the Bill would be to remove all control from the
hands of the ratepayers over the money raised on their rates.
He would move that the Bill be read that day three months.
The motion was then put.
Mr. BROTHERTON said that the Hon. Member for
Finsbury had characterised this Bill as a gross job, and spoke
as if he (Mr. Brotherton) were connected with
it. He begged to say that he only moved the
third reading in the absence of the Hon. Member
for Stockport, and whether it was carried or not it was a mat-
ter of great indifference to him. The objects of the Bill were
to purchase the manorial rights, in order to save the people
from oppression, to purchase the waterworks in order to supply
the people with water, and to establish baths and washhouses
in the town. There was no opposition to the Bill in Commit-
tee, except by one man, who came from the borough, very ill-
provided with money, in order to oppose one clause, which
allowed the Chartists to ring bells through the streets, they
being too poor to advertise or placard their meetings. Of the
numerous names which appeared on the petition—of
the whole 3,793, he would venture to say that not 100 were
ratepayers. If the Hon. Member had ever been in Stockport,
he roust have seen that there was not a town in England
which required improvement more, and this Bill was hrought in
for the purpose of enabling the Town Council to
give that improvement at the moat economical rate.
He said the Bill had received the unanimous assent of a re-
spectable Committee ; he had heard no valid objections against
it ; no clause was in it but such as was sanctioned by one Act
of Parliament or another, and he was amazed that the Hon.
Member should lend himself to the party who opposed it.
Mr. E SCOT T said he had received a petition from a rate-

payer in Stockport, who mentioned that .he had opposed the
Bill because several clauses in it were opposed to the statute
law of the land ; but that a compromise had been
entered into, which, however, had not been ful-
fi led. He (Mr. Escott), therefore, begged an ex-
planation of this from the lion. Member (Mr. Brothertor),
or if he were not prepared, that he would consent to the third
reading being postponed.
Mr. BROT LIERTON did not feel himself prepared to enter
into all the facts connected with the Bill.

Mr. HUME suggested that at least time should he given
to inquire into the facts, but he thought th.t on looking at the
nature of the Bill, that it would be better to postpone it for
one year, till they could pass one Police Bill and one Paving
Bill, to affect all places alike as well as a Bill affecting the sana-
tory ccndition of towns.
Sir It. INGLIS did not think a case was made out for pass-
in,g this Bill. He could not agree with the clauses of the
Bill ; they were quite wrong, and he should vote with the Hon.
Member for Finsbury on the subject.
Mr. GREENE would oppose the further progress of the
Bill; some of the clauses were highly objectionable.
Mr. THORNELY approved of the principle of the Bill,
and thought it would confer great advantages on the inhabit-
ants of the town if it were passed; and he should, therefore
vote with his Hon. Friend in favour of the Bill. ,
Mr. WAK LEY said the clauses in this Bill (276 in
number) were of the most unusual, oppressive, and restrictive
e
character, and he thought the better course would be to reject
the Bill at once. Such a course would be better than post-
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After a few words from Mr. WARBURTON it was agreed
that the Bill should be read a third time this day fortnight.
BISHOP OF JERUSALEM'S NATURALISATION

BILL.
Mr. HODSON moved the second reading of this Bill. Fie
had stated the other evening that the party who was the object
of this Bill was not resident in this country, nor was he likely to
be so, but, nevertheless, from the contribution of the Queen to
the fund for the support of the bishopric, he became entitled to
the protection of the British authorities.
Lord PALNIEBSTON thought it quite necessary, for the
proper performance of his duties and as the representative of
British interests, that he should be a naturalised English sub-
ject. It would be an anomaly to suppose him to represent the
interests of this country were he not a naturalised member of
that country. He hoped the House would not, therefore, reject
the Bill,
Dr. BOWRIN G stated that the Hon. Member was quite in
error in supposing that the naturalisation cf this individual
would protect him. from the puwer of the Ottoman Forte. He

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certain of the lower branches of the public service, made avail-
able to them on the ground of merit.
The SPEAKER then put the question.
Lord SANDON said he did not agree in all the sentiments
which had been exaressed, but he admitted the general prin-
ciples on which the motion was based. At the same time he
recommended that the subject should be left over in the hands
of the Noble Lord at the head of the Government. The great
difficulty was, that in these endowed schools nobody but a
lawyer could manage the funds.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.)
The trusts for educational and other purposes, which were to
be found all over the country, were in the hands of lawyers.
He would not take up the time of the House longer, but hoped
the Noble Lord would give the subject his most attentive con-
sideration.
Sir R. INGLIS concurred with the Hon. Gentleman, that
her Majesty's Government ought to have a fair and impartial
trial with regard to this great question. He trusted that his
Noble Friend at the Head of the Government would weigh well
every suggestion made to him, before he adopted it. As this
was not the time to go into the question fully, he would reserve
his remarks till a future occasion.
Mr. WARBURTON thought the Government ought not
to lose sight of the last proposition of the Hon. Member for
Dumfries. Let none be presented to places of the Treasury,
or to any of the subordinate offices of Government, unless
they were properly qualified to fill them. He would be sorry
to take away Parliamentary patronage, but let no Member
seek to procure a situation in the Customs or Excise for any
individuals unless they were properly qualified. By the late
Government the general registry office was so inadequately
managed by the clerks who were appointed to it, that it was
for a long time very inefficient. By the previous Government
also the office of bankruptcy was filled by a number of clerks
whose intolerable incompetency was a matter of notori, ty. The
late Government, he understood, did away with the tests to
a,certain the qualification of clerks for the Treasury, but, in
his opinion, they did not act wisely in doing so, for he con-
sidered that their continuance would tend very much to pro-
cure a more efficient body of pers ins to fill those situations.
Mr. WILLIAMS hoped the Noble Lord would take the
matter into his early and fullest consideration. In Scotland
the progress of education was most gratifying. The country
looked up to the Noble Lord with the most hopeful feeling,
and he (Mr. Williams) sincerly trusted it would not be disap-
pointed. In France, the vote passed in the Chamber of De-
puties this year was upwards of 700,0001. sterling. He hoped
her Majesty's Government would give the question of educa-
tion their most deliberate ard early consideration.
Mr. HUME considered that the moral state of the people
was as important as their physical wants. He saw with regret
that education was of late years more opposed by Dissenters
than by the members of the Church of England. The state
of education in this country rendered them the reproach of
Europe. England had one in eleven educated; Belgium one
in ten ; France one in ten ; Friesland, and other places in
Germany, ono in six, on in fivo, and ono in four - su that in
this country, as compared with some of the states of Germany
there was twice as much ignorance.—( Cries of" Hear, hear.")
England also was the only place where children of differ-
ent religions were not allowed to attend the same school.
If they were at all in doubt how that united system operated
he sl- ould say to them that they should be cautious how they
proceeded, but they had the example of Ireland, and with that
example all doubt as to the result was removed. The Irish
system had been successful in Liverpool, and it was also
attended with complete success in Holland, where children
of all creeds were educated together. If, instead of expending
large sums in the maintenance of criminals, they were to apply
it to the education of children, there would not only result a
considerable benefit, but even a saving of expenditure. The
time was now come when the Government could attempt to
introduce that means which had been so successful in Ireland,
and he had not the smallest doubt that the country would aid
them in their endeavours, and their efforts would be found of
benefit to all classes.
Mr. J. STEWART admitted the importance of the subject
under consideration. He thought that the education of the
people of this country was one which ought to deeply interest
the Legislature. He did not, however, think that the subject
had at all been fully explained or put forward by what had
taken place that evening. Those who brought forward that
motion, seemed to take the opportunity of attacking the Esta-
blished Church. The Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool
had departed from the subject of education, and had spoken of
the administration of justice in the courts of the law. The
Noble Lord had spoken of the difference between a rich man
and a poor man in a court of law, and had stated that the price
of justice in an unopposed case was 701., and for an opposed
case he did not know how much. The Noble Lord should spe-
cify the case which had occurred, and bring it forward for inves-
tigation, in justice to his own character and the character of the
Court in which it was tried. The Court to which he belonged
was very unpopular, and it was so because it was exclusively
engaged in investigating those cases where breaches of trust had
existed for a long series of years, and the persons who smarted
under its influence abused it. He said there was no member
of the professson to which he belonged would refuse their assist-
ance towards the amendment of the law. It was easy to cry
out about abuses, but much more difficult to remedy them.
Why, he held in his hand a Bill got up under the patronage
of the society for the amendment of the law, and introduced
into the upper branch of the Legislature—a Bill for facilitating
conveyance of property—which showed what labour was neces-
sary for the amendment of the law. Yet that Bill, he said was
a vast mass of ab.urdities, which, he was sure, no Member of
that House would take in hand. This only ;flowed the diffi-
culty of the subject of which the Noble Lord had spoken with
such levity.
Mr. HORSMAN thought that no system of education would
ever be successful, which was not accompanied by a system of
close inspection; and hoped, the Noble Lord would recollect
the remark of the late Minister, that no vote would be asked
on the subject of education, without a statement concerning
the state of it in this country.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he would confine himself to
a very few observations, as any lengthened statement at pre-
sent would rather impede than further the progress of the ques-
tion. The statement of the late first Minister of the Crown, in
reference to the vote on education, had been referred to by the
Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down. Such a statement,
he thought, would be the means of furthering education, and it
was, besides, due to the House, so as to enable the House to
comprehend the real state of the country in that respect, and
take such measures as would further their views. Ide ovrued,
however, in reference to what had fallen from Hon. Members,

that he did not think the same facilities were to be found in this

country which existed in foreign countries for the establishing
of a national system of education, One great impediment to it
consisted in the voluntary efforts which had been made for
conventional purposes.—(Hear, hear.) Laws might be
promulgated in Russia, because there they had the
power to make them absolute ; and those who sat in the Par-
liament of Scotland, in the year 1696, had the full confidence
of that country, agreeing with them in a national religion.
This remark was applicable in some degree to what had been
done in Ireland some years ago, under Lord Grey's adminis-
tration, but in this country the question was in a very differ-
ent situation. Efforts had been made on the national system
to supply schools,; the British school society had also established
schools in various districts; various denominations of dissen-
ters, Wesleyan and congregational, had shown the greatest
zeal in the establishment of schools. These bodies had got
their own rules and their own systems which they had
established in the schools they supported. They were proud,
and justly so, of what they had done; they had admitted the
light of the Gospel into the cottages of the poor, and had
disseminated instruction in the manufacturing districts. It
was not wonderful, therefore, that in their attempt to introduce

a national system they should meet with opposition ; that such
persons should dislike that which seemed to destroy their ewn
benevolent labour. He said ha stated these things to show

what any Government which interfered on this question would
have to consider. Yet he said, after all that had been done by
benevolent persons in the Church, by Dissenters, and by per-
sons in high stations and in low in this country, for the educa-
tion or the people, it was a lamentable fact that great ignorance
still prevailed; he said it was a lamentable fact, because the
disgrace to this country was light compared with the evil itself.
But it was evident that, in this situation aLleast, great advan-
tage would follow from the establishment of additional day-
schools, and in having the condition of the schoelmasters
raised in this country. Perhaps Parliament might fall short
of what it would wish to accomplish, yet it was well
that such as the Hon. Member fer Dumfries called the
attention of the House to the subject, as he was certain it
would have the effect of conferring additional influence on it.
t was a matter of great importance to have a measure which
would make large sums in endowed schools more available.—
( Hear, hear.) He could not agree with the scruples of the
Hon. Member for Oxford, who thought that, in a case where
Greek and Latin were to be taught, and no one learned Greek
and Latin, yet Parliament was not to touch the funds because
some one might rise up who would learn Greek and Latin. He did
not expect the Hon. Member, with all his known reverence
for things established and ancient, could have gone so far. He
(Lord John Russell) assured the House that he would give the
subject his best attention, and that when it came again before
the House, that he would make a statement which might show
that he had not altogether failed of his promise.—( Hear.)
Mr. P. BORT HWICK said, they did not make a
man a better member of society by teaching him to
read or to write. They did not make his morals better
by instructing him in chemistry.—(Hear, hear.) He
called on the existent state of morals in universities to bear
witness to the truth of his assertion.—(Hear, hear.) He
hoped he would never see the ta'k of public education taken
from the worthy hands in which it was at present vested, to
those of a public Minister. The object of education was net
to make good scholars, but good morals. However amiable the
intentions of the Members for Montrose and Dumfries, the ob-
ject of their proposition would be to make men more clever

criminals than they were at present.—<Hear, hear.)
Lord JOHN MANNERS said, he could not imagine that
any desire could be manifested to assimulate the education of
this country with France or Prussia. If they observed the
present opinions delivered from the chairs of the French
College they could not fora moment wish for such an assimu-
lation ; whatever good had been achieved by the educational
system which at present existed, was entirely in connexion
with the church.

Dr. BOWRING considered that the French and Prussian
educational system was much misunderstood. He was sorry to
say that religious tests had been applied to the candidates
before admission into schools, and he would regret it extremely
if there should be an attempt to meddle with the liberty of the
subject under the pretence of introducing a national system of
education.
Mr. ESTCOURT joined completely in the opinion which
had been expressed, that educatiou without reference to
morals would be in itself a bad and dangerous system, and he
did therefore consider that the duty of education should be
transferred from the hands in which it was at present vested.
After a few words from Mr. E WART in explanation, the
motion was negatived without a division.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

The House then went into a Committee of Supply.

Mr. HUME objected to the method in whiCh ihe sums of
money granted for education was distributed. Poor districts
did not receive the sums of money, whereas rich ones did, and
this was because there were certain qualifications required be-
fore money would he granted.
Sir JOHN PARKER said that the report upon education
would show the distribution of the money.
Mr. WILLIAMS considered that there shoule be a general
inspection of the whole of England and Wales, and that such
districts as shoved an unwillingness to comply with the reqiii-
site qualifications required by Government, should be com-
pelled to do so by a rate levied upon the inhabitants.
The sum of 100,0001. was then agreed to for the purposes
I of education.
On the item of 85.0001. for education in Ireland,
Sir ROBERT INt-11, ES said that he hoped they would
permit the members of the Church in Ireland, as members of
a united church, to apply for a portion of the money granted
to the National Church, and that a fair proportion of the
money would be accorded to them. This was a matter of
mere justice.
Mr. HUME said that the fund in Ireland was administered
with great fairness and equity, and there could be no fault
found with it.
After a few words from Mr. P. BORTHWICK,
Lord J. MANNERS rose, he said, simply to second the
appeal of the Hon. Member for the University of Oxford. He
hoped that what he had thrown out would be duly attended to
by the Government. He could not see how they could make
an exclusive grant to the so-called national system of education,
and deny a similar grant to that system of education in connec-
tion with the Irish Church.
Mr. HAMILTON quite agreed with the sentiments which
had fallen from the previous speakers as to the grant in ques-
tion.
Mr. HUME said the national system was established by
Lord Stanley, and bad been found most useful in its working.-

Mr. LABOUCHERE said no subject in connexion with
Ireland gave him so much consolation as the fact, that the
people of Ireland, under the national system of education, were
enjoying a blessing which many more favoured countries did
not possess. It was destroying prejudice, and gave him the best
hopes as regarded the future. He rose merely to do away with
any impression that the Government were in the least degree
indifferent to the national system of education.
Sir 11. H. INGLIS merely wished to impress on the mind
of the Noble Lord that he ought, in justice to those connected
with the Church of Ireland, to give them a grant for education
in such a mode as they could receive it.
Mr. HENLEY briefly supported the views of the Hon.
Member for Oxford.
The vote was then agreed to.
The next item proposed was 5,3811., for the metropolitan
and provincial schools of design.
After a few observations from Mr. Ewart, Lord George
Manners, and Mr. Hume,
Dr. BOWRING thought there should be a more efficient
system of registratl.m than at present, and that there ought tc
be a tribunal to decide regarding the right of designs. Such a
tribunal might be composed of manufacturers and workmen.
Tribunals of this kind were found of great efficacy in France.
Mr. P. BORTH WICK was opposed to any such tribunals
as ?hose named.
Mr. J. HEATHCOAT would like to know what those
tribunals spoken of as being in France were, and what were
the expel ses attending on them, before he supported such an
institution. Something, however, ought to be done in regard
to the regulation of designs.
Mr. HENLEY said that he was astonished that, after
the extraordinary powers which were granted three or four
years ago to carry out the law about designs, they were com-
pelled, after all their beautiful new systems of legislation, to
resort to the Court of Chancery. All their fine French courts
and tribunals would turn out to be mere moonshine.
The vote was then agreed to.
On the item of 2,006/. to support certain professors at Cam-
bridge and Oxford,
Sir. WILLIAMS briefly objected to the high salaries re-
ceived by the professors for very trifling duties.
Sir R. H. INGLIS defended the vote. The sum was not

one-fourth of what was annually granted to the University of
London.— ( Hea, , hear.) The professors at the University of
Glasgow and the College of Belfast were quite as liberally paid
as those at Oxford or Cambridge. The Hoti. Gentleman (Mr.
Williams) had admitted that he had no: very ,trong ob-
jections to the grant, and he ( Sir R. H. Inglis) therefore
hoped that the House would consent to the grant.—( Hear. )
Mr. DICKINSON opposed the grant, and said that the
Universities received quite sufficient for their support from
other sources, than grants from the public treasury.
The vote was then agreed to.
The following votes were then agreed to without ob-
servation :-4,526!. to the University of London, 7,41.50/. to the
Scottish Universities, 300/. to the Royal Irish Academy,
30. V. to the Royal Hibernian Academy, 6,0821. to the Royal
Dublin Society.
On the vote of 2,601/. to the Royal Belfast Academy,
Mr. HUME wished to know why there had been an increase
of 5001. on the grant of last year.
Sir J. GRAHAM explained the reason of the increase of
the salaries and number of the professors. As the greater
portion of the people of the north of Ireland professed the
Presbyterian religion, which was supported by the State, it
was thought but just that increased means should be given
to the professors to instruct the young men of Ulster in the
principles of religion and science.
Lord J. MANNERS would be glad if the Right Hon.
Baronet would inform the Committe whether there had
been any correspondence between the Government and the
synod of Ulster on the subject of the professors' salaries ?
Sir J. GRAHAM said that there had been such a com-
munication, and it would probably be produced to-morrow, in
pursuance of the motion of the Hon. Member for Montrose.
Mr. LABOUCHERE thought that the Hon. Member for
Montrose wGul not derive any advantage by postponing this
vote till the production of the correspondence.
Mr. HUME understood that the authorities of the college
had not asked for the increase, and the Right Hon. Baronet
ought not therefore to have made it, as it was the public
money. The Right Hon. Baronet might give 5001. out of his
own pocket if he pleased, but he had no right to give away the
public money in that manner. The Right Hon. Gentleman
had given no explanation whatever for giving the increase, and
under all the circumstances he would oppose it.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that he had stated the grounds why
the increase was made. A deputation had been specially sent
over from the synod of Ulster, consisting of the moderator
and three of the principal Presbyterian clergymen of the north
of Ireland, and it was upon their representations that the in-
crease was made. This, however, was a question of policy and
equity, and it remained for the present Government to take
whatever course they pleased on the matter, but he had stated
the circumstances which induced the late Government to make
the increase on the former allowance.
Mr. WILLIAMS thought that the people of this country
had enough to do with their money, besides giving it away to
parties who had not asked for it. There were other institu-
tions in far greater need of Government assistance, and in the
exercise of their generosity they shouid rather look to them.
Mr. LABOUCHERE had considerable difficulty to come to
a decision in the case, as he did not know fully the circum-
stances under which it was made. It might be right to in-
crease the salary of the divinity professors of the institution,
but he thought sufficient grounds should be shown for that pur-
pose. As the vote, however, had been brought forward by
the late Government, who had examined the matter carefully,
he would not change it; but next year, when the estimates
came on, should he not consider it warranted by the circum-
stances of the case, he would withhold the increase.
Mr. HENLEY thought that this was one of the fruits of
the grant to Mayneoth. He did not mean to give any opinion
on the justice of the case, but he thought it might be in-
structive to know whether the overture came from the Govern-
nent or the increase was applied for by the College. As no
principle, however, was involved, he would not oppose the

This Bill was read a third time and passed.
NEW ZEALAND LOAN BILL.

grant.
Mr. HUME said after what had fallen from the Right Hon.
Gentleman, the Secretary for Ireland, he would not press his
amendment to a division. "
BRITISH MUSEUM.

On the sum of 45,4941., for the new building of the British
Museum,
Mr. HUME asked when it was likely that the alterations
would be completed?
Sir R. INGLIS thought that the whole of the buildings
would be completed within three years.
The vote was then agreed to.
A vote of 3,390/. was proposed to defray the expenses of the
National Gallery.
Mr P. BORTH WICK objected to an item in the estimate
of 6001. for the purchase of a portrait of Hans Holbein. The
country should not he called upon to pay for the blunder of a
public officer. He should divide the House upon the question.
Colonel SIBTHORP said this was the first time he had en-
tered the House since the late Ministry had resigned, and he
really did not know where he was--(Laughter)--he could not
make out the position of the parties.--(Laughter.)
With reference to the picture to which the Ho-
nourable Member for Evesham had alluded, he did
not know who painted it, and he did not care.
—(Renewed laughter.) He for one would be glad to give
his vote to pull down the whole building, and sell the old ma-
terials for what they would fetch. Look at the building, and
see the display of water works outside, with a lot of dead dogs
and dead cats round it--(Laughter)—smelling most offensively,
rendering the water-works at once the laughing-stock to the
people of this country and foreigners, who were allowed to see
them by the kind permission of the Metropolitan Police.—
(Laughter.) He should like to see the vote stopped at once,
and let them have a gallery worthy of the country, and not
such a building as at present existed, fit only for a blackhole for
the confinement of convicts.—(Laughter. )
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER must confess
that the picture was not worth the money, and the purchase of
it at that price was merely a blunder, to which public bodies
were frequently subject.
. . _

Sir J. GRAJIAM said that both the Right Honourable
Member for Tanaworth and himself were trustees of the
National Gallery, and were both responsible, in some measure,
for the blunder whic., had been made. The picture was not,
as the Hon. Member for Evesham had stated it to be, a very
bad one. It was certainly a high price to pay for it; it was
admitted by all that it was not a Holbein, but at the same
time it was not considered to be a bad one, and the late Go-
vernment thought that they had better come to Parliament
and ask for the money for the purchase, than to take an Hon.
Member's advice, and go to law upon the subject.—( Laughter. )
Mr. HENLEY thought that they should not quarrel too
much with the trustees of this institution because they had
been taken in once.
After a few words from Mr. PETER BORT HWICK, who
said he was sent there to guard the public purse, and he would
not be mealy-mouthed upon this question,
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that arrangements had been
made to have the opinion of competent judges on future pur-
chases, which would prevent any such blunders in future.
Sir DE LACY EVANS said he was aware Government
had in hand many new buildings, and he would not at present
propose a new gallery. But in taking into consideration the
improvement of the metropolis, he thought they ought to put
themselves in communication with eminent architects, with the
view to providing something worthy of the country at a future
time.—The vote was then agreed to.

A vote of 10,911/., for the Museum of Economic Geology,
and geological survey.
Mr. HUMr. certainly wished to know what had been done
in the last year.

After a few words from Mr. HOPE, the vote was agreed to.

A vote of 5,032., for scientific objects was also agreed to.
A vote of 2,0001., for Botanical Gardens in Dublin, was
agreed to.
A vote of 3,0701., to defray the expenses of the eiyil estab-
lishment in Prince Edward's Island, was agreed to.
and Ireland having been read,
A vote of 4,0491., for a similar purpose in the island of Ber-
muda, was also agreed to.
A vote of 400/., for the expenses of lighthouses on Sable
Island, was agr ed to.
A vote of 11,5001., for civil establishments in St. Helena,
was agreed to.
A vote of 7,2191., for civil establishments in Western Austra-
lia. was agreed to.
A vote of 2,9651., for the charges and expenses of Port Es-
sington, was then proposed.
3,410/., Bahama Islands.
13,6801., Establishment Western Coast of Africa.
After a few words from Mr. HOPE,

Mr. HUME said that he cordially supported this vote,
and begged to call the attention of the Government
to the advantages of this port as a centre of communication by
the overland route between this country and Australia, and
hoped the Government would take some steps to carry out that
project.
The vote was agreed to.
_ _

A vote of 4,7581. for the charges of the establishments on
the Falkland Island was proposed and agreed to.
A vote of 30,0001., to defray the charges of civil establish-
ments in New Zealand was proposed.
After a few words from Mr. Wit.t.inats and Mr. Hope,
Mr. HUME said he did not know whether this money was
for military expenses or on account of paper credit issued by
the Government. He wished to know if there was any thing
like a correct stability when a man was appointed Governor,
and whether Governor Fitzroy had arrived, and had rendered
an account. He did not lay any blame to him, for he
believed when he was appointed that he would make a good
governor.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL gave Governor Fitzroy all credit
for having acted on good faith, and with the best intentions,
but he had failed, arid had been recalled by the Government
which had appointed him, and he (Lord J. Russell) thought
that enough had been done in the matter.__( Hear, hear. )
After a short discussion on the general policy of General
Fitzroy, the vo'e was agreed to.
1,t,23'. was then voted for the expenses of Heligoland, and
also 18,394/. for the salaries of the governors and deputy-gover-
nors of the West Indian colonies.
On 11,3531. being proposed for the expenses of the eccle-
siastical establishments of the North American colonies,
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the item of 3,0_00/. for mis-
sionaries there ; to what emntry did they belong ?
Mr. HOPE having explained,
calledlll r. on the Government to withdraw
\HvUlLlNlLElAa:lisiosorered some opposition to the vote.
this vote altogether.
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did not mean to advocate a lavish expenditure, but surely this
was a case in which the Government ilvas called upon to act
snore liberally to the Catholics of Newfoundland.
The vote was hen agreed to.
On 18,0001. being proposed for the expense of the Govern-
ment of the Indian department of Canada,
Mr. HUME opposed the vote, but it was eventually
agreed to.

10,3641. was then agreed to for the Emigration Board.
On 43,4001. being proposed for the salaries of the Stipen-
diary 'Magistrates (Colcnies),
Air. WILLIAMS said that the sum was far too large, and
that the people did not require these magistrates. The people
were living in a state of luxury as compared with the people of
this country, and the crimes were but few. He therefore pro-
tested against the people of this county being taxed to so large
an extent for the purpose of maintaining an unnecessary esta-
blishment.
The vote was eventually agreed to.
The sum of 48,800/. was voted to defray the expenses of the
establishment at Hong-Kong.
1 VO,OOO/. was voted to defray the expenses of missions abroad.
A vote of 20,0001. for the expense of supporting captive
negroes under the provisions of the treaty for the suppression
of the slave trade was proposed.
Mr. HUME thought the expenditure altogether uncalled
for, as all attempts to put down slave trade by this means had
been ineffectual.

Lord PALMERSTON thought the effect of the operations
under the slave-trade tready had been of great benefit in the
suppression of that nefarious trade.
After a few words the vote was agreed to.
The sum of 22,800/. was voted for the expenses of the Mixed
Commission for suppressing traffic in slavea.
The sum of . 12 6001. was, atter a short discussion, agreed
to, in order to defray the expenses of the different British Con-
suls abroad.
The House then resumed, and the Chairman reported the
resolutions of the House.
. _

REAL PROPERTY CONVEYANCE BILL.
The second rYading of this Bill was postponed to a future day.
COMMONS INCLOSURE (No. 2) BILL.
After a few ..ords from Lord Worsiey, Sir J. Graham, Sir
G. Grey, Colo, el Sibthorp, and Mr. B. Escott, the Bill was
postpon3d till Monday next.
ORDNANCE SURVEY BILL.
The report on this Bill was brought up and agreed to.
WESTERN AUSTRALIA BILL.

This Bill was also read a third time and passed. •
PRISONS (IRELAND) BILL.
Arr. LABOUCHERE moved for leave to bring in a Bill to
amend an Act for consolidating and amending the laws relating
to prisons in Ireland.--Agreed to.
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for the further amendment of an Act of the sixth • ear of her
present Nlajesty's reign, for regulating the Irish Fisheries.—.
Agree d to.
DISTRICT LUNATIC ASYLUMS (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. LABOUCEIERE moved for leave to bring in a Bill,
for amending the laws as to District Lunatic Asylums in Ire-
land; for providing for the expense of the maintenance of
certain Lunatic Poor removed from the Richmond Lunatic
Asylum, Dublin, for want of room therein; and for providing
for the salaries and expenses incident to the office of Inspector
of Lunatics in Ireland.—Agreed to.
GRAND JURY CESS BONDS (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. PIGOT moved for leave to bring in a Bill to exempt
from stamp duty bonds and warrants to confess judgment exe-
cuted by high constables or collectors of grand jury cess, or
their sureties, in Ireland.—Agreed to.

MANDAMUS (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. PIGOT moved for leave to bring in a Bill to improve
the proceedings in prohibition and on writs of mandamus in
Ireland.—Agreed to.
LANDS CLAUSES CONSOLIDATION (IRELAND)
BILL.
Leave was also given to Mr. PIGOT to bring in a Bill for
the amendment of so much of the Lands Clauses Consolidation
Act, 1845, as relates to the officer by whom the costs of in-
quiries holders under that Act, as to compensation for lauds,.
shall be taxed in Ireland.
ADVERSE CLAIMS (IRELAND) BILL. .4;
Leave was also given to Mr. PIGOT, to bring in a Bill to i;
enable courts of law in Ireland to give relief against adverse
.'
claims made upon persons having no interest in the subject
matter of such claims.
SUNDAY TRADING.
Mr. HINDLEY gave notice that he would, on Mondays
bring in a Bill for the better enforcing the law for the observ-
ance of Sunday.
Prisons (Ireland) Bill, Fisheries (Ireland) Bill, Mandatnns
(Ireland) Bill, Lands Clauses Consolidation (Ireland) Bill,
Adverse Cl,ims (Ireland) Bill, District Lunatic Asylum
(Ireland) Bill, Grand Jury Cess Bonds (Ireland) Bill, were
read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on
Monday next.

The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at One o'clock.

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Brinell 11.
• , 43 P-North Eastern 24 dis.-North Staffordshire, 34 -.
p -Oldham, Birkenhead, &e.,Birmingham
% dis.-Oxford and Junction, 2% p.-Preston and Wyre, Halves (B), 5-16 p.-Shetn" and Lincolnshire Junction, % dis.-D l% No,
So and Dover, Console, 14-o, 3,5 ' • Extension,
halves' -"°.
% du
4, 11-16 P.-South Midland, Trent nth * •'
. •
Southport and Euxton, % dis. -Trent -vlii_
_Staffordsho dirt.--
°Y ...34]....4„ SO., i'
West Biding Union, 2% p.
LEEDS, JULY 17.
STOCK EXCHANGE.-The sales are-Eastern Counties, York E 5:
tension, 31s. p.-East Lancashire, 5 p.-Great Grimsby and Shn•
.
field, Quarter Shares, 20s. dis.-Huddersfield and Sheffield, 61. 10;
p.-Leeds and Bradford, 3914 p.-Leeds and Dewsbury, Brancthet
-1 teli6c..,,,evs.tAer
6s, p. - Manchester and Leeds, Fifth Shares, 8% p.-Ditto, EX.,,set
sions, 21i p -Newcastle and Darlington Junction ExtensionS, l_u_,27.
p.-North British, Carlisle Branch, 205. 6d. p.-Direct Nortb.e,f4
1% dis. -Grand Union, 16s. 6d. dis.-Great Eastern and Western,
31s. dis.-Lancashirc end North Yorkshire, 275. dis.-Leeds, Wake
field and Midland, 18s. dis.-Liverpool, Ormskirk, and Preston, '‘,.„'''„
6d. p. -Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midland, 10s. p.-3114:1,
chester, Midland, and Great Grimsby, 1 dis.-Midland and Th -1„.7.
Junction, 20s. dis.-Northumberland and Lancashire Junction, 171;
dis.-North Staffordshlre,3/. 4s. p.-North Western, 6s. dis.-South
Midland, Is. dis.-West Riding Union, 41. 9s. 6d.-York and Carte
lisle, 2 dis.-Yorkshire and Glasgow Union, 2 dis.
NEWCASTLE-UPO-TYNE, JULY 17.
Srocn EXCHANGE.-The sales are-Caledonian Extension, .-- ,0,, -6d. dis.-East Lancashire, 4% p.-Lancashire and North Yoritlll4.'..,
235. dis.-North Staffordshire, 3% p.
HEFFILD, JUL!' 17. n-
STOCK EXCHANGE.- S
The sales are- Grimsby and Sheffield Eat--„d
sion, 295. dis.-Ditto, Quarter Shares, 18s. dis.-Ditto, Railway 'l'4
Dock, 2% dis.-Clitheroe Junction, 19s. dis.-Leeds, Wakefield, f'',"
Midland, 19s. dis.-Manchester and Lincoln Union and Canal, Ni
dis.- Sheffield and Lincolnshire, 14s. dis.-South Yorkshire Ccs
Railway, 15s. dis.

HULL, J 17.
STOCK EXCHANGE.—The sales are- Hull and Selby, Half Share,
39 —North British, Half Shares, 12--Ditto, Carlisle, 475.
and North Mt nand, East
nc and West Riding, 1354,—Asholme,
Hull and Barnsley Jution, 303 6d. —Leicester and Bedford, 128'
London and York, 18s.•—London and Manchester (Rem.), 15s.
Mallon and Driffield Junction, 48s.—North Western, 5 dis.—Nord
Staffordshire, Si. Bs. 6d.—South Midland, 455. 6d.

EDINBURGH, JULY 15.-.
STOCK EXCHANGE.—The sales are—Caledonian Extension, 316'
6d.—Caledonian and Northern Direct, 38s.—Direct Northern, 22:
6d.—Eastern Counties Extension, 355.—Edinburgh and Batnga`cl
550. —Edinburgh and Northern, 81.—Ditto, Newport, ss.—Glasg„
and Belfast 'Union, 465. 6d.—Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle, „1
6cl. —North British, Extension to Carlisle, 475. 3d.—Scottish Central'
19 1% —Ditto, New, 734—South 111idiand, 335.

GLASGOW, Jura- 16.
STOCK EXCHANGE. —The sales are—Aberdeen, Banff, and Elg'
23s.—British and Irish Union, 41s. 6d.—Caledonian Extension, 3,l„°j
—Caledonian and Dumbartonshire Extension, 225. 6d.—East
Fife, 20s.—Edinburgh and Glasgow, New, 17y2—Edinburgh and
Northern, —Glasgow General Terminus, 7%—Glasgow and Be';
fast Union, 465.—Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ayr, 75—Ditto, Quarter
Shares (5 per cent. guar.), 181. 12s.—Glasgow, Dumfries, and ~
lisle, 335. 9d.—Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ardrossan, 35s.—Glasq
Airdrie and Monkland Junction, 46s.—Glasgow Harbour Minor,,;
28s. —lnverness and Elgin, 21s. 6d.—Lcsmahagow, 555. 6(1.-SOlll.
Midland, 335.

The Chairman of the Excise had an interview with
the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday, at his
official residence, in Downing-street.
THE PRESENT HOT WEATHER.—The most agreeable
relief during this hot weather, is the use of Ross and So'
Esprit de Lavande, as it is not only the most durable of per"
fumes, but the most reviving and refreshing. It is made fro°
the finest lavender water, perfected with extracts from the
choicest flowers, woods and Oriental gums, and
possible, more pleasant as it dries on the handkerchief, tha4;
when first applied. It has taken the sole proprietors2oyB2_l
to bring it to its present state of
perfection.. Address ITO
and Sons, 119 and 120, Bishopsgate-street, who importii:
finest French perfumes, made expressly for them in the south
of France, and which are four times the strength and flavour
of any to be obtained in Paris.
Dlst odcraHwEnsToEuHt
fßtAhroLoNvoAn
for Otnhee daf
the works
last
I,llv eAeVkEtshEeNlDv All
a ter wa
pur-
pose of examining the piles and other parts of Giles, the
superintendent, with other officers, minutely
of the line of railway under the tunnel. M
also
looked of timber to see if any worm had affectedsattached,
and
looked to the longitudinals and iron work
insipte; inspected every
found everything in first rate substantial order. Not a wain_
had touched a piece of the wood work, and everything was
—)
as firm as when first laid down.—Kentish Observer.
EADTERTISEMENTI—LIVER, STOMACH, AND BOWEI° COMPLAINTS CURE) BY HOLLOWAY'S PILLS-1n close, hot, or stinlT, weather the food on the stomach frequently ferments and brings
bowel complaints, which is at all times dangerous to weak and elderly
„
p•rsons. When the liver is out of order, it induces heavy and drow".'
sensations, the forerunner of direful diseases, as dropsy, apoPit':
paralytic strokes, &c. Such and other baneful consequences are „'ile
triii,eet.3l,ltst
pkedeydiplryeavicindtes
udrbeyly abanfei
banish
dosesdsa
disease
ef
wthheesnetshearseyhing pills.
under its direct influence. Persons at the turn of lisfetemshoisuladiraetl
critical a period take Holloway's pills, which are sold by all drugg's'
and at the Proprietor's Establishritent, 244, Strand, London.

BIRTS.
On the 23d ult., at Madeira, the wife of Thomas S. Lea
cockt
Esq., of that island, of a daughter.
On the 9th inst., at Cheltenham, the lady of James Neoll
Crawford, Esq., Bengal Civil Service, of a son.
,i of
On the 12th inst., in Curzon-street, Mayfair, the Is,AY
Robert Dickson, M.D., of a daughter.
On the 12th inst., at Liss-place, Hants, the lady of G.
Corvton, Esq., of a daughter.
On the 13th inst., at York Villas, Brixton, Mrs. •
Cummins. of a daughter.
On the 13th inst., in Stanhope-street, Regent's-park, the
wife of Charles Elder, Esq., of a daughter.
On the 14th inst., at the Rectory, Hart-street, Mark-Jelie'
the lady of the Rev. John Letts, of a son.

MARRIED. h
On the 11th inst., at St. Mary's, Islington, Mr. W. Tloug
ton, of Verulam-buildings, Gray's Inn, to Emma, younger
daughter of Mr. William Merv, of Canton.
riel3,
On the 14th init., at Alverstocke, Captain F. vv 1
R.N., to Ellen, youngest daughter of the late Vice-Adolua
Garrett, of Anglesey.

DIED.
On the sth inst., at Coventry, Captain Robert Storey.„..
On the 10th inst., at Broadstairs, Captain M. Cole,
On the 14th inst., at the Rectory, Whitwell, Ruthill
Anne, relict of the Rev. C. W. Fonnereau.
On the sth inst., at Broadstairs, Emily Jane, the only Sur‘
viving_daaghter of the late R. Morrell, Esq.
On the 16th inst., at Camberwell, Mr. J. Steele. r,
On the 14th inst., at the 'Vicarage, the Rev. Robert BUY°
Vicar of Acton, near Nantwieh.

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