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NEWFOUNDLAND BILL.

The report on this Bill wag received and agreed to, and
it was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
THE BURIAL SERVICE (No. 2) BILL.
This Bill was read a 'tiecond time, and ordered to be read a
third time to-morrow.

MILITIA BALLOT SUSPENSION BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and pused.
EAST HEMPSTEAD UNION IN BERKS.
Captain PECH.'ELL called the attention of the House to
the petition of the guardians of the East Hempstead Union
in Berks, complaining of the conduct of the Poor•law Com-
missioners, and hoping that steps would be taken to inquire
into and restrain the authority of the officials at
Somerset House. He would content himself at present with
moving for copies of all correspondence that had passed be-
tween the rate-payers of that union and the Poor-law Com-
missioners.—Agreed to.
EPISCOPAL REVENUER_
Mr. FREWEN obtained leave to brill!, in a Bill to provide
for the better regulation of episcopal re-ienues and dioceses.
The House then adjourned at Hal .c-past Four o'clock.

RAILWAY COMMITTEES

ESTERDAY)

110-1-ISE OF LORDS.

Room C.
WANT ATMOSPHERIC.
The Committe,, re-assembled this morning, the Earl of Devon in
the chair, 7.IPR-.1

• .
—Mr.Cubit was examined at very great length on the gradients,
and the eaveral features of the peculiar line of the Atmospheric
ComesslY. At present there were thirty-nine trains per day
ever the Croydon line. Considerable stress was laid upon the
tact of Mr, Cubitt having laid down a line from Croydon to Ashford,
the object being to shorten the distance between Tunbridge and
Ashford, by using a part of the Reigate line. There had been some
agreement with the South-Eastern Com; any, which had
passed off, but the differences had lasted for some time,
and it was in consequence of those differences that
Mr. Cakitt was induced to lean the service of the
South-Eastern Company. An examination ensued on this point,
and on the means of getting to Dover without going to Ashford.
After some further details,
'Mr. Austin replied, and stated that if it was true, as stated by Mr.
ISalkineon, that the South Easton Company hod stolen the lines,
they were at least surveyed by their own engineers. Let him look
through the course of the line. There was a common starting point
at the Surrey Canal; front thence to Lewisham was a mile- and-a-
halt', and then there wail a double scheme, that of the North Kent
and the Sad Kent Compaass, then there was a mile-and-a-half to
Bromley. Now, it ha' occurred to his experience, that common
sense was, in spite af engineering ability, actually the best guide ;
And there commo'a sense showed that it was better to have an esta-
blished line on '4 good gradient ratter than bad. The Kent Atmo-
spheric Comr Any left the Croydon line in a cutting of sixteen feet on
a gradient cf 1 in 100. Then there was the Tunbridge tunnel, where
the Kent Atmospheric Company had committed the great sin on
their li grog and a sin committed with their eyes open. There, the
tunne'-ins, of the South-Eastern Company was 1,100 yards longer
than, the Kent Atmospheric Company, but then the gradient of the
Smith-Eastern Company was only 1 in 102, while the gradient of the
fattnospheric Company was 1 in 80. Then came the point of the
Inverhead and the Sevenoaks station, and whether the inhabitants
'were going up or downwards, the accommodation was still better.
My the South Eastern line, the station of Sevenoaks was only half-a-
mide, while on the other line it was three quarters of a mile. Then how
slid the opposing Company propose to accommodate the other places
on the line. Itiverhead was a most important station; and look at
the country ; and if they did so, they would find that tam whole
of the population was westward, in the trough of the country ; and
if the Sevenoaks station were to be taken, the wnsaie of those people
would have to go round by the high road. Mr. Stephenson, by
throwing out this span to Sevenoaks, had given a better accommo-
to all parts of the country except Sennoaks?
The Earl of Devon wished to akvatav what difference there was be-
tween the two stations with r''airence to Sevenoaks ?
Mr. AUSTIN continued by stating that there was to be no station
at Sevenoaks, hut there would be a means of communication which
would satisfy all the rer_ Attrements of the district. Then, with regard
to the works, the taassings,
and the tunnelling% they were quite in
favour of the Se-
nth-Eastern line. A person who was secretary to
the ComPay:y, positively stated that the Sevenoaks trade had no
conneZirsn whatever with any other place. Then, going to Tun-
brid'ie, they were four miles longer. Then, with respect to Mr.
P:rown's evidence, he was well aware of the work which might have
been made with that evidence. This vt as not the first time that he
had met Mr. Brown, and he wal quite assured that if any one had
been put forward competent to dissect that statement with rapidity,
it would have been, as It had been in the Commons, quite upset
to the knowledge of every man shout him, and ail
the imputations against the South-Eastern Company would have been
entirely neutralised. Then he came to Tunbridge, and the question
presentee, itself which regarded the accommodation of the Mid Kent
ollstrioS. To this the Atmospheric Company had no pretension what-
ever, while the South-Eastern Company had a station—an excellent
'me—at the principal town in Kent. From Maidstone the South-
pastern Company ran to Ashford. He had said that he would save
the Kent Atmospheric Company from the indiscretion of leaving
Maidstone out of the communication; that was the real reason for the
abandonment of the line from Maidstone to Ashford; a point on which
Mr. Talbot had very judiciously refrained from examining. The
South-Eastern Company had put the town of Maidstone with North
Rent, Dover, Canterbury, and all that part of the country, and then
it was discredited ; but although it was like putting great things in
comparison with small ones, yet he might as well say that the line
to Liverpool from Manchester Ought not to pass over Chat Moss ; but
he made the allusion because It was necessary to observe that it was
often a matter of obligation to pass through a thinly peopled district
to satisfy the want of places beyond them. Then, with regard to "the
distances—this line would bring Maidstone 20 miles nearer Condon,
and 15 miles nearer Dover. Maidstone was the most inunrtant town
in Kent. The branch to Tunbridge would be 36%,0201. Their
then branch would be 170,0001., so that, as tba Noble Chaim/lan
stated, by the expenditure man extra 200.0001., On whole of the AShferd
district would be accommodated. Their dists ace te Tunbritiae would be
four miles shorter, but on the South-Eaerarn line the gradients would
be better, and this superiority would 'make the deietance in time ab-
solutely shorter. Mr. Stephenson avid Mr. Bidder had shown that
the saving in gradients wonid ove- talance the disadvantage of dis •
lance. Mr. Cubitt had said that twelve carriages would pass over
the South-Eastern line where ten weald pass over his ; and this was
important, when he came to casnsider the question of gradients.
With reference to the tarick;ayer's.arms station, it was the pro-
perty of the South-Bast inn r onpany, so that the allegation of their
being in connexion wl,h a
.nat station was an absurdity. He would
now contrast the grad:
ents on these lines. The cost of the graliente
on the Kent Par s from London to Ashford was on'y lin 102.
Ile would !'" re.'"-sr to the gradients prestnned, but to those on the
projectea Imes. s
o
had a gradl On the Maidstone line, the Atmo mheric Company
, of 41., miles in length of lin 80, and another of 8%
miles in le' sath of 1 In 130, making thirte-n Mlles worse than 1 in
100. o*.i the Tunbridge line there was a gradient of 5% miles in
'meal, of linBo ; so that tillietech o: nearly one-half of the
n'avoepheric line would be or, a vvelsee gradient than the whole of
the south-Eastern line. Thus the worst gradient on the opposing
line occurred in the twine), Where the apex of the line was placed.
Looking at the ease as it stood before their Lordships, he was
happy thet he had Mr. Stephenson on the side of the gond gradients,
and he (Mr. Austin) could not help being of his opinion, for he
should always be ready to Choose a gradient of 1 in 10 to 1 in 100.
The South-Eastern Company had got a Bill this session for en-
larging the station at Ashford, as the grand depot ; the station in
fact, as Mr. Ciiiiitt had stated, of the South-Eastern Company that
had cost a quarteS of a million.
Mr. TALBOT objected to any such subject
authority of Lord Tehterden, being gone Into on the
fir. AsasTiet believed he had a right to allude to it. Then, with
regard ',a the crossing of roads on the level Mr. Cubitt had stated
that these ware always bad things. The Noble Chairman had asked
wb.r a clime could not be introduced under the direction of the
saoard of Trade, and there was no reason why such a clause should
not be introduced. These crossings were certainly injurious, but
they were easily obviated. With respect to the rate of toll, as it was
aeresst); a ProspeCtive matter, it was really a very amusing thing, but
,!e ,_ausoslS
ufle tO Mr. Wilkinson when the tolls were reduced in amount
must be increased in quantity. With regard to what Mr.
nill'lusott had said about stealing the plans of the Croydon Company,
all had to say was that if the Chairmanand Directors and
Engineer of the South-Eastern Company, had stolen the
plit-hs, they were very mal-a-droit thieves, for they
obohad
stelen, it they had stolen at all, that which nsly
would pick up In the streets. After referring to the allegations
ageing the Sollthetastern Company, the Learned Counsel stated that
the oppositinti Was neither more nor less than a Croydon opposition,
and had reference whatever to public advantage. If this South
Eastern branch were made there would be a distinct entrance from
North F_ent into London, whereas if the reverse were to hold, the
Whole, of that traffic would come over the Croydon line, and thus it
',vauld form the drain to the whole county of Kent. After speaking
'Of the value of competition. and citing Ricardo's authority on the poli-
tical dogma of the value of competition, Mr. Austin alluded to the
benefit of a united management. There was no doubt but that Mid
itent must be accommodated, and he trusted that the Committee
Would not lightly postpone the decision for another year, for he felt
bound to remind the Cemmittee that the expense of these contests
Were equal to the whole expense of working the line for one year.
To the Ran of Devon the Counsel replied that the distance by the
atmospheric line was 24 miles, and by the South-Eastern route 28%
mi:es to Tunbridge.
in Mr.
Mr. .
USTN Co
hentinued 1/7 stetting that they hod the consent of the
plan—perhaps not the b esitof t district, at
dt that t, e
n promoters had given a good
asasa be devised—yet a good plan,
satisfactory to the district, area in every way a workable plan.
dshisa itot to postpone this Bill,
he would, therefore, ask of their Lor
the re-ad i
but allow the preamble to be proved.
m Watt of Duties
The room was cleared. On
The Cita lama N stated that the preamble of the, go,nu_vh.
bad not Seen proved, and the Bill is, consequently, lost. Lateen line

Room D.
GLASGOW, Dunn'luzs, 11111) "R1E87421
(continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
After au interval, both parties submitted clauses, in order to
carry out the intention of the Committee in the resolution they had
come to.
An argument took place on the clauses of the respective parties,
Mr. Sergeant WIttSGRAM contending that his clauses were In full
accordance with the resolution of the Committee, while those sub-
mitted by the promoters of the Bill, if agreed to, would actually con-
travene its intention, which was to protect the through traffic of the
Caledonian and would introduce a great deal of legislation that was
foreign to the object sought to be accomplished.
Sir T. PHILLIPS replied in support of the clauses the promoters of
the Bill hal submitted. He maintained that unless the provisions
of these clauses were admitted, the Glasgow and Ayr Company would
be placed In an injurious position, and would not be able to receive
proper indemnity for the giving up to the Caledonian Company the
least expensive and most profitable portion of the line.
fr After some further discussion ou the clauses, the parties were
ordered to withdraw.
On our re-admission,
The Cu tiastaN latimatel that the Committee were of opinion
that Ur. Sergeant Wrangtiam's clauses did carry out the intention
of the resolution coins to by the Committee.
The preamble of the Bat, as altered in agreement with the amend-
ments made by the Committee, and the new clauses admitted, was
then passed, and ths several clauses of the Bill gone through and
agreed to. ,
The Hill with the amendments was then ordered to he reported, to
the Rouge.
The ComtniLtee then seperated, having terminated their labouri.

Len H.
7/.;,' a 2391703177ZGH AND GLASGOVIi AND

.COTTIS CENTEA.X. TUNCTION.
T: e Committee decided that the preamble of the Bill had not
been proved.
Tt e Committee then proceedol with the comileritiot of the
Edii burgh and Glasgow Union Canil !int la sTfly Pill, anti ""era

occupied bearing evil dice in support of it up to the hour of ad-
journ,:disnt.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
GROUP LXX.

This Committee met again this morning at twelye o'clock, Sir
George Clerk in the chair. There were also present all the other
members of the Committee, viz., Colonel Peel, lion. Captain Car-
negie, lion. Mr. Smythe, and Mr. Tower,
DUBLIN AND SANDYMOUNT ATMOS..
PHERIC.
The case having been resumed,

Mr. Shi', after some discussion, stated that the opposition on the
part of the Grand Canal Company had been withdrawn, the pro-
moters having agreed to pay that company the sum of 1,500/, as
compensailon for the injuries which the construction of this line
might inflict on their property.
Mr. MALLET then said that there was no further opposition to the
Bill, and the Committee were now in a position to declare the pre-
amble of the 8111 proved.

The CHAIRMAN said that he did not think they were; the 01,;N;tion
which had been raised by Mr. Murphy as to this Bill 'proposing to
give land to this company which had already ben
granted this ses-
sion to the Dublin and Kingstown Railwa:„ Company had not been
removed.
Mr. MALLET thought that that, objection might be easily got over,
as future legislation Could of :.purse repeal a previously made law.
The CIIAIRMAN MIS Of opinion that the House could not, in the
same session, repeal 'part of a Bill that had received the royal
assent.

The CRAIRMAAv ',..hen asked whether the consent of the Board of
Admiralty
the Bill had been obtained I
17ADDT, the Parliamentary agent, said that they would be
Pre'ared to produce the written consent of the Board before the
Committee separated.
Mr. MALLET !said that the difficulty as to the other point above,
the land already given to the Dublin and Kingston Company, might
be obviated by the insertion of a clause in this Bill compelling the
promoters to carry their line over that of the other company
at the point in question by means of a viaduct, which should afford
no obstruction to the traffic on the Dublin and Kingstown Railway.
After a lengthened discussion, the Committee adjourned (wallop
having given any decision) till two o'clock to-morrow.

DIRECT MANCHESTER AND LON-
DON RAILWAY COMPANY (RASTRICK'S
LINE).

A meeting of the shareholders of this Company took place
yesterday in the London Tavern, under the provisions of
an Act of Parliament entitled the Railways Dissolution Bill.
Mr. J. Dillon took the chair,

The CitaiRKAN said that their efforts to obtain a Bill had
failed, in consequence Of the mere formal difficulties placed
in their way by sae standing orders of the House of Com-
mons. It was said that an amalgamation existed between
them and the Remington line, but such was not the
case. They held 400,0001., and they were attempted to be
forced into an implied amalgamation with a company which
did not possess more than 7,000/. They had returned 31. 10s.
a share, and they reserved a sum varying from
70,0001. to 80,0001. to preserve themselves against the risks to
which they were exposed by threats held out against them
of law proceedings—and they were now prepared to pay back
the remainder of the money as soon as they were relieved
from the danger of these proceedings. The Company was,
therefore, dissolved before the Act under which they met that
day came into operation, and they accordingly were not af-
fected by it. He considered that the whole meeting was
illegal; they had not even sufficient to constitute it, as the
shareholders who had received the return on their shares
had retired from the Company, and no longer possessed any
right to vote or be present at their meeting.
Mr. PococK said that he repeatedly applied for informa-
tion whether an amalgamation existed or not with
Remington's line, but his applications, either by letter
or personally, were equally disregarded ; he was refused all
information, and he considered that the conduct of the direc-
tors was most discreditable and disgraceful in withholding
that information, and he should move the appointment of
scrutineers.

Mr. RiotAnnsox said that if the expenses amounted to
twenty-five shillings a share, after receiving 42,000/. from
Remington's line, he did not believe that the directors had
acted as they ought to have done by the directors.
An amendment was then put that the question be not now
put, which was declared to be carried, and the original reso-
lution was then declared to have been lost.
The meeting was then adjourned.

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