The Sun.
London, England, 1846-07-23 00:00:00

Room D.

This Committee met to-day at a quarter to twelve o'clock, the
Committee not being constituted till that hour, when the further
consideration of the
GLASGOW, EumrarEs, AND CARLISLE
was resumed.
On the admission of the parties and counsel,
The CHAIMAN said he had received a letter from Mr. Hope John-
stone, the Chairman of the Caledonian Railway Company, which 1 e
had already submitted to the Committee, and which he would ucw
read. It was to the following effect :

(Copy.)
" Caledonian Railway-office. 28, Parliament-street,
" London, 22d July, 1846.
" My LOrds,—As Chairman of the Caledonian Railway Company,
I feel it to be my duty to state to your Lordship, that the decision of
the Committee over which you preside has so greatly surprised the
parties interested in the Caledonian Itailway, and has rendered our
position as opponents of the Dumfries Bill so difficult, that 1 venture
to solicit, through your Lordship, the permission to state the gennds on
which we would ask a reconsideration of that decision. I would beg at
the same time to avail myselfof the opportunity of endeavouring to re-
move a mistaken impression which appears to have been made on your
Lordship and the other members of the Committee on the Glasgow,
Dumfries, and Carlisle Railway Bill, that we are desirous of interfer-
ing with the local accommodation of the country between Cumnock
and Dumfries. My object in now addressing your Lordship is to
show that we have not any intention or wish to do so.
" It is true that we are in possession of evidence which we believe
will satisfy the Committee that the estimates of the cost of the line
in question are quite inadequate for the construction of it, and that
the local traffic is not such as to maintain the railway independently
of through traffic. That evidence we propose to adduce to-morrow
and next day ; but our sole object in continuing the opposition is to
secure to the Caledonian Railway that protection against competition
In through traffic, to Whitt NY! MI Atrogly Wm we ,atiu.d. To

MO refer,
show your Lordship that this is not merely our view, T - w_ Board
the marked passages in the :accompanying report of
Trade on these schemes last year.
" In evidence of this, I may refer to proposals repeatedly ma ngl
our part, both before and since the commencement of the Pr°c'e ro.
in the present session, that we would withdraw our oppositionio the
vided the promoters of the undertaking would limit their ia;te
tbo
town of Dumfries, leaving the Caledonian Company to cola'
ddie
communication between that town and Carlisle. the " I am now about to afford to your Lordship and
greater
mittee a further proof of our sincerity by a still
resetea
concession on our part. The port of Annan has been reul; „f their
by the promoters as one important and essential termini
line; and although we have heretofore considered ours Wool
"loald
to the measure of protection which a branch to Dualfr_te!reposed
afford us, we are willing to withdraw our opposition to the Le from
line between Cumnock and Annan, if the remainder of the •l":,„ the
Annan to Gretna be conceded to the Caledonian, together with
to
Canobie branch. It is clear that the side branches from tnethia
line of the Caledonian Railway to Annan and to Canobie are_.ed to
the Caledonian Company's peculiar district, and we are Pr 1100
give any pledge the Committee may think proper, that We 9so eor
session apply to Parliament for the requisite powers, and „teat tb
struct these lines, in case any formal difficulty should Pr;iedegillh
transfer of those portions of the proposed line to the C
Company by clauses in the pre.ent Bill. f the 5111.
We think that this proposition will afford a fair test of
verity of the promoters of the Bill, in professing that they d 22,,0af•
late upon abstracting the through traffic of the Caledonianc'ja eilr
If not agreed to by them, they cannot complain of our Puisde, spay
opposition to their whole line, possessing, as we believe we hor
evidence as will satisfy the Committee that the grounds on o"trefF4
Bill is promoted are, in all the important points of cost and
perfectly untenable. dOPt
On e other hand, if the promoters of the Bill should 1, I„,e, oar
proposition of a division at Annan, we undertake to vritliftlat the
evidence upon the main line from Cumnock to Annan, '"
Bill to that extent may he held as unopposed. ha 0 Obic
"I have, however, to state to your Lordship that we -Lack,
tions of a peculiar character to what is called the Crawlelt .",;eot,
the Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle line, which, in anY4
desire to lay before the Committee, but the evidence on w!",he Co,r;
comparatively short; and, having explained that matter to::"eubr
rnittee, we shall willingly acquiesce in their decision on t'"
of the Crawick branch.
eart*B4
" I have the honour to be, my Lord, your obedient humble ONE
(Signed) "J. J. HOPE JOUNS' t
"To the Right Hon. the Earl of St. Germans, &c. &e." sages°.
The CHAIRMAN, having read the letter, handed it to )fir'
Bellasis.
Mtn te tilt
Mr. Sergeant BRLLAsis said it was quite impossible for in
any answer to it, as he knew nothing whatever of the letter
moment, and had not consulted the parties for whom he e_Pasat
The CHAIRMAN—Then you had better withdraw to cons
clients.
Mr. Sergeant BELLAms—AII I can say is that I have at In°""
witnesses whatever.
Counsel and parties, at the request of the Chairman, then
drew, to consider the proposition contained in the letter. , wbotto
After being absent about half an hour the parties returtiv",itth
Mr. Sergeant BELLAsts stated that after consulting, eti 111;
clients he could not accede to the proposition central, to Le"
letter of Mr. Hope Johnstone. In the first A,10%.
moters of the Bill had made an arrangement with thatLt,
Company for the leasing of the line, on the faith
whole of the main scheme would be carried out. Ith
this was the essence of the scheme. If any part of the '125
was given up, it would be quite impossible to carry out that .;Js 1"-
ment. In the second place, his Grace the Duke of BtlecT,r;tate
given his consent to the whole scheme, on the distinct un"`o
ing that the Canobie branch should be constructed in eonnnerfd
the main line. They were, therefore, bound to abide by
ment. In the third place, the Canobie branch, And. Of?
from Annan to Gretna, were the most profitable portion
whole scheme, and were necessary for the paying of '1;300;
northern part. The Ayrshire and Dumfries people were an,,, riot
an efficient communication with the south, and that coage ier;
properly done, unless by full connexion with Carlisle. Ay"
however, willing to make this arrangement. He was pOifeo
by clauses to give the Caledonian Company aPeett'sed to
to run over the Annan portion of their schemeirl...o
Canobie, if they in return allowed the present o°_,/tw 011'0
run on similar terms over the portion of the Caledonian 11":0:010'
Gretna and Carlisle. If they could not settle the terms .4
this mutual use of the respective lines was to be used, he W'-
0
that it should be referred to the Board of Trade.
yea! Ce 014
ar
Dir. TALBOT, on behalf of the Duke of Buccleueh, -
protest against the arrangement proposed by the Caledonian
Do
pang, when
Genien° gr
Mr. COCKBURN interfered. He said the Learnedhed
no right to be heard. He was only entitled to be bass' hg 01"
peered against the line, but being a petitioner in its ravear ty
not. He had at present no right to interfere.
ifed
The CHAIRMAN said, if the promoters of the Bill had list,ri 1170
proposition, then the Learned Gentleman might have Botlie."
As it was he could have no object to serve in speaking. lit
Mr. Cockburn had better go on with his case. pal
Mr. COCRBURN then proceeded to address the 0,—.010-„I pg
doing so, he said lie would proceed on the proposition .Moir
been submitted to the Committee, and while doing so he ''.."OiriTto
was sure, succeed in showing that the estimates of the oi;e0
ISithsdale line were totally inadequate to the constrnetwolliTe
whole line ; that, in fact, the capital was not more thart.4lo:tia
for the making of the line as far as Annan, and that it vOcToffit'
possible for them to construct the whole of it, should the
0002 to
concede it to them. The Learned Gentleman Was Pr gon).
enter on the points he was about to prove in evidence, and ell 000
,„
show that it would be advantageous to the public, a 501,4011
parties interested, that the portion of the line south of 'or
with the Canobie branch, should be given to the Caledoweoeflae
Mr. Sergeant BELLASIB interfered. He desired the Leele deC
roan to confine himself to the demerits of the Bill as Pert,Jtt°
ot the Committee, and not to go into the question of the „te
two lines, or the question which had been raised in the left.6otSo
A discussion arose on the point whether or not gr•tepti
should be allowed to go into this matter, which ended la "4"
being requested to withdraw, to allow the Committee to ‘0
on it.

Room E.

EXETER AND DORCRESTSS'
Their Lordships met this morning at the usual hour. 0014
Mr. T. Matcham, coach proprietor, of Andover, who /feese,oo,
by Mr. MXXXxwETREB, gave evidence of the number °Li pH oil
the amount of traffic upon the old coach road, which eZster°ool
very considerably since the formation of the Great ID the fr
way ; but in his opinion this traffic would again flowoecare
direction if the present railway were sanctioned.
brought him into communication with a considerable Ills ow or
Sons, all of whom were anxious for the construction ofed tho",
In his cross-examination by Mr. SLADE, he adrol. • weal
were only two coaches, exclusive of the mails, will° 0011
whole distance to Exeter, via Andover.
lid oe
Mr. T. Mortimer, tanner, of Andover, examine. -0 arty'je-
Int :ea
id.efr.
hrseh iieev inispd
shillings
licosoerrnn j:t ufo3onnofeos
iat
eto 6wgooeppi
otr,ouhotfhpoeehtonlhisdawsie
this
in
of
lather witness bad r 01r
business of a tanner for a period of between thirty as everf
4ce
acrd'
eetaxtoefnsLivoneldyonin seeds.
markets ra if:hidesalltnirwcmlaeyf vowwf
emvuaribedLo
mad
.e 6
dene
0..
:1
the habit of A---„,a40,
Nci'uenntaegeeofinthceohinsgehqu,enStetelisobfutryhe,
wAanndtovoefrraNawew. ryy,,,ecoßeZeo;,;.:7oo4oo,
places. The market of Andover laboured under co"'„,-,:-etie'„o Or
distance between Wallop and Salisbury was eleven nau.'*to cs
London for the purposeprkesg at SouthaniP 0.9901,
gouda he
the steamers , to send his fbr the conveyance of
destination at Exeter. he was oblige_,.ved by water
London lie!!
facilities for the transtnissfen
?rbletaving them 0t),..;, would
f sheep to ether iwer
Propoted
one of the largest in EnglandO; There were oa.-
thst fairs in that neighbourhood whieiivoula be aZenDl93°dsS°:Amgs - f
railway.
09:0°00
The CHAIRMAN intimated, at tnis stage of the Pree'till
there was no necessity fcr multiplying evidence upon the t
traffic. The Committee had heard evidence from diltrne 0070,
of various trades and occupations connected with dies ° 011 j
ra7ndover fair.
traffic, and it was reasonable to suppose that other brand taeoot
were of the same nature. By a glance at the map e,ho s 00'
the line proposed to take, it was self-evident that
to ,
traffic must be very large. tent VP
Mr. Hu.DvAar, said that he was quite ee°,„, 01,0
no further evidence on the subject, he only wished P:4000;
clients from any injurious effects which might arise frond sr. 00
Friend, Mr. Talbot, bringing forward a large quantitY,-00" is
and using against them the statement that they had no''
case for the necessity of tl.e line before the Committee „ pro"'
Mr. TALBOT Intimated that it was his intention tolol,ril'et
considerable amount of evidence bearing upon the dis--
Exeter and Yeovil. 0 °,
„ino
, The CHAIRMAN said that he had expressed the 0,1, , ."t„
Committee upon the subject. The parties must, therra,'l;suSP
own discretion, and adopt that course which the ' elf
M adapted to promote the interests of the public.
sucl ferr4)
r. Avery, of Honiton, grocer and wine merchant, of -, $
coach proprietor, said that the feeling of the inhabitalw_iceoitp
was unanimous in favour of the proposed line. lie ,„
140 tons of goods annually from London and other Pelietl
would be conveyed by this railway at a less cost than"' 010.
at present.
.hoori§:0101
Mr. Divett, M.P. for Exeter, one of the directors of `-.41
Exeter Railway, which was a broad gauge line, said he it 7ilf°
if
in favour of the broad gauge, but he thought I/0"000;44
tremely desirable in a public point of view that there
1044 A
continuous line. connecting the South-Western and Sffiwator
Railway on the narrow gauge ; he thought such a r 1,11"
not only afford great public accommodation, but it W"' e 000';
the effect of exercising a wholesome competition. sero
Cross-examined by Mr. TALBOT—It would be a most
my
lamity if Exeter were to be deprived of its present broadetts ,
UJ
mttnication with London. He believed that his constituo%i
eter were almost entirely unanimous in favour of the fa‘y:
and several public meetings had been held in that oitY iridVeep
e spew 00
this line. He thought it very important that ther 9
connecting Exeter with Plymouth and the other porte_,A be ;04.0:
He did not think it probable that any negotiations
into by the directors of the Bristol and Exeter line with ""tiell'"
without his cognizance. He thought there was no founds
report of such a negotiation having been entered into.
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nepariloet
THREE LIVES LOST.--On Saturday, as ai
the Charlotte, belonging to WiVelloe,
returning from Harwich regatta to that port, with Mpg 0,10
E:—asTtnheesdayawsahsorrtathderow7clegiedfr°l
blesdale, and another nobleman on board, the follet.tster°,o
andlane ho on I y
the accidentcraft happenednearing
Walton, the owner, Mr. H
slipped over; and by the sudadrevnejl'urvrchash °TA teeortsrid-,
rope round the tiller-head to secure it, when it "-,-r 141°14/1
board. - The vessel was instantly brougheatbworasouilt:::,,111:1111PP:1011e:1;
effort made to save him, but to no purpose, for th" a 00
went down. A son of the uufortunate ni,tl;eingi(o,
not more than 13 years of age, was on board, 811,7, it e,
only person that could take charge of the cn-cittoijoil'
Placed in much danger in consequence of his e.lt
and youth. The crew of a smack perceiving their cutter cis
bore down upon them, and safely brought the_ the P-tbe
The body of the unfortunate owner was washed olio As"
in the course of the day.—At about the same Ur eiotet,
above lamentable occurrence took place anothe,lo ais,teti
tressing accident occurred in the Swinn, a few rnicolcilPiist,
A boat belonging to the Good Agreement, of
pith
o ‘1). the
was being towed by a foreign vessel to take °,_
when it upset, and the two men that were in opt
boat, were lost. bilij 17_01
THE FISTULA INFIRMARY.—The third feo ~estritsi
auxiliary society of the above institution was held
at the Ilighbury Barn Tavern, Mr. H. F. Richardsbo 1050 it
chair, in the absence of Alderman Copeland, fi'moefo
vented from attending by the illness of one („tial
About 200 persons sat down to a good and substa",ifesftriu
at four o'clock. The usual loyal toasts being ';ve
g It •
Chairman, in proposing the toast of the even-n,ety. rajeg
sketch of the objects and operations of the encl
founded by Mr. Salmon in 1836, for the purl"se e of
pecuniary assistance to the Infirmary for the "'rooter c,'ol/10s
and diseases of the lower intestines among the, Ptolerah'sers
and since that time had been supported with the 1101
cess, the expenses being generally balanced by bio eo
tions. Mr. W. H. Martin returned thanks ?Lep
which was proposed as that of one who had her of tos'
and the chairman of the last festival. A own' Ocoll'er
connexion with the founder, patrons, frierdlsa,nd oar. ort
visitors of the society having been proP?staialort,"ttgb
to in speeches of feeling and ability by Mr" '_'„arated s6d,,
e of
dan, the Rev. G. Taylor, &c., the company scr.l. 13s. , f o
parea hor
o'clock. The subscriptions amounted to
It IP- f o'o4
whichfrom Alderman Copeland.. , 45, o
the report that 543 patients were admitted In 6 eoas'_;iy,
259 were discharged, 146 materially
irregularity of attet"..„
as incurable, 40 discharged for
and 92 were still on the books, the total
Rum
since the foundation in 1836 being 3,233.
relievea, „_.,43