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London, England, 1846-02-21 00:00:00

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tion of one branch of in___ industry the silk trade, all the other
• branches of industry in the country are flourishing. I have von-
hayed these remarks on the silk trade of the country, which
will be so seriously affected by the proposed commercial
system of the Right Hon. Baronet, and with the impression
that it will bring on those engaged in it indelible misery ; and
What I have stated is borne out by those who have had ample
opportunity of acquiring knawledge, and who are persons of
authority and well informed on the subject.—( Hear, hear.)
I make these observations, because I think they deserve the
fullest consideration from the House ; but I am also perfectly
willing to admit the principle which the Right Hon. Baronet
has estab'ished in his last
speech. The Right Hon. Baronet
says' " We have for the last three years reduced taxation,
We have relaxed protection, and the country is in a
More flourishing state than ever."—(Cheers from the Opposi-
tion.) I believe that this is the case. --(Cheers.) I say the
country is flourishing—(Continued cheers)—because you give
us a just, a judicious, and a moderate protection.—( Great
cheering from the protectionist party.) But the Right
Honourable Baronet has, not only in his last, but
i' all his speeches, and particular] y in the late
exposition
.of the Government po!iey, admitted that
it was •by this just, this judicious, and this moderate protection
vethat England has flourished. But now he turns round and
ry
calmly says," I feel bound to acknowledge that I have
efanged my opinion on the subject of protection—( Cheers
froth the free traders)_] am no longer in favour of the
PPriacitile." (Confirmed cheering.) But in the whole
eech he admitted the advantages of protection--
0e proved the advantages of a moderate protection.—(Cheers
and counter cheers.) Well, perhaps the Right Hon. Baronet
contended that the present flourishing state of the country had
I
lawn out of free trade and distress.—(Laughter.) Now, Sir,
want to ask the Right Hon. Baronet a very proper and a
Ri gh H
iir.!eve
e'erY important question. Does the t on. Baronet that he can fright hostile tariffs with free imports ?b—
-e-(Chrs.
(Chrs. ) ear, hear, say the disciples of the school
tohfeyfileao anches,ter—a most just cheer. They always maintain
ate not, I , arm if their principles are right, as I believe they
they have can easily believe that, their premises being assumsd,
arrived at that conclusion. They believe so ; they
Care of Let us take care or
the imports, and the rest will take
. themselves." But is that the conviction of the Right
onourable Baronet ? F if it is his conviction,
Why all h. d' 1 • or,
is ip omatic annoyances with respect to commercial
!treaties? Why does he speak with so much pique and rancour
. his speeches of these commercial treaties ? If he believes
tirrioaiathle can fight hostile tariffs with free imports, why does he
cheerse himself with these treaties at all.—(Protectionist
are
not But if he does not believe that—if his convictions
. those of the school Of Manchester, he is inconsistent in
proposing this naeasre. How can he believe in that principle ?
/tow does he intern
us, by
way
of Pt to appear consistent when he tells
great • things from recommendation, that he
ifhopyies
believes this thing, a good example?l Buti ofno
0
(near, hear. )
use whatever.-- good example
havemp e
a clear declara-
tion from the Cabinet on this important_emu point, because of the
V.lnciples on which it hinges. We may conclude that the
rees'gilt' liori• Baronet is ne,saisfied, for if he is, where is the
sity for the influence of a good example. He tells you that
atrussia is already shaking, and be reads you the report of an
xraerica.n Alinister to prove e advantes of free trde. ew, 1 cannot presume to offer an opinionag on these Cabinet
ecrets, after this declaration of the Right Hon. Baronet. It
II he possible that America intends to introduce a change
t her tariff ; it may be possible, as the Right Ilo-
%able Baronet tells you, that Prussia is shaking
r(1-lear)--nay, it may be possible that the French
ieussotaries of free-trade; but I think it my duty to offer the
0:11 e some facts, from which I shall allow you to draw your
flast c°nelu'i"s•—(Cheers.) Now, in the first place, we have
upon !lie
who
of Mr. Walker, e
has written
Withina subject of commerce and the trade of America.
• res,l the last few years this question has excited great inte-
th. rest Sin
' Anseriea but it is a difficult matter in that country to
rests,
the line' of demarcation between conflicting inte-
. tans 0 f But before you can calculate on any modifica-
. the _ the tariff of America, it will be necessary to examine
All ',tubers employed in agriculture and in manufactures.
thaneerw4saeri gentleman at Liverpool has sent me the last
,lta_sof population—l mean the census of 1840, which I
. . istry°B is the last• Nwhat do you believe—what do you
Pliose • the* • arw
'a Uses ,is number of the manufacturing opera-
, . af
'• • irt ,fn
the United States ? In 1840, the year
uch
tif there was the greatest development
• it
-sauufacturing energy in that country, the number of opera-
jatatr:sceeded 800,000—(Hear, hear) —a population exceeding •s. hattraaufacturing population of the four great staple mantl-
e:4loe 4$ °f England. Mr. Walker, who is the Secretary to
~
Wiest rentrY, says in his report, that the only in-
aantda c'neerned is the interest of ten thousand
t° a;ctures• But the importance of an interest is
~ ttot avereslittated by the numbers employed. I am
. ' tilt:,
..,,alecl what number of persons may be dependent upon
AlStigit,alaooo operatives, but there is an agricultural coin-
' 'Llfte j'a et ett a sauated in the vicinty of those manufactures that is in
te protection, because that protection gives them ,
.'4lll.lSs.4l„eaa killable advantages of this home msatrkheht..
' plfraiin'coftitioeheeneconnter thlrenibteesdt osrfaatneiss.ed,(aohdeethrse
frommo the
41esas 4tai,n9,..4istlt) Altanttih, _the United
you are aware of peculiar tar-
' seeablees that influence society is the United States, it is im-
ttiar te comprehend what is going on in that country.. t h
lageithYa Met a former Minister of the Ct own, a m sdice
'i.a„l ,e." horn,a and he was much troubled about Oregon.
to lea,
aiata ]dace ') He remarked upon the changes that were
ts'-`6-11 of 'ee in American opinions, and instanced the
f ' eech All the manufac-
etihiaistitedata-s, as a urious war op • .
!Pacific, rest in America had become warlike. I am now
talliiir tiMi language used last night from that report,
.-oanattlFta' L'i, after all, that war is the only protection.as
q:l3 httittiljUres."---( Hear, hear.) In exact. proporwttiollilose
the alteetie the western community of, America_ you
at_64tates,,," cif the great northern States—( Hear, hear)—
qt th' "1 tho t oast —the most powerful in that country._ I
tiaeklyelais „iZecti.ll.e consideration of the Noble Lord, who has
Lees stip. America, and who favoured us the other
lean.. As; Noble
account of it.--( Cheers and lah er.
, ahhah-
„.,.. oble Lord the Member for the West Riding.
41`anseer.lie Ii in opposition, 1 am very glad to see him
s
(Laotin. ' 11s•—.(Chesrs ) He entered into many detail
agate-gr,Aut. erica ; li; gave us pictures of the landscape—
t:ketahet ka-aed all I wished more was that. he had entered
atatatisttsstuote into other details, and particularly of that
t4eliget:ie• tnelody—(Laughter)ing the manner in
tlattase(- as—eMaatt'jurnped from one side of the table to the
home•; 'rt;,,`,.°ai's of laughter.) I cannot say a word when told
aver "' 13 ajiead V bshaking.—( Hear, hear. ) I have been,
, tittet Lteading a bookpublished in that country, evidently
111.Wecari' Than Possessing great influence on public opinion.th
:11f eNge t'll'Ort, and are ready to export," and he quotes the
allti3lll afllrS•Baines and speeches of the lion. member
ort tearart's.„ •We can' export at a loss." This wonderful
I lithe
.ea. Jan on exporting at a loss, and swamp
Sat ear ra "'Lets with which they are connected. Until
I,,,tenseia-are detailed accounts of Prussia I shall be
tittle''
stead' ' - keptical. I am sorry to say that I
• 'a .
Rho ate r s amost melancholy representation. from. . the
ri ° haae be AJachlinberg and some little states in its vicinity,
ta."l,lstie east asked over and over again to join the Zollve-
srseinC.aZ they.have not joined it in consequence of the
44t oar sa l.aans ef the English Minister. They now say, after
nd:4-aces, the Zollverien are to have a free import to
or ,t,er .tV. we are to have no advantages
is '"e iass"a'y'ag been misled by the representations
a to alsosh minister, and the best thing we can do
iislnink
d" kky .3,?r, the Zollverien, and what measures
4astry.
calculated to advance the scanse of natave in
4 ever • Now, Sir, 1
F ce I must say, that I
in an .. a turn to ran . lea often Y life listened to anything—even when the Right
itiel el pia,11,9..,?•fl confessed that he had given up the /sten
Of ohs ftlabt-ssectia'n —More astounding than the announcement o
ta' a" - '''Mtt'Beronet• The prospects he held out are those
4rty,
Rhopoeserful Minister, and not a Manchester
titiatr aaYs theY will fight hostile tariffs by free
lie; Y. There are a great many gentlemen who do not
eb_ithetetY7'ean fight hostiltariffs by free imports. I say it
Zaaictit,es
g•, and and I declare moat solemnly that it is my
;70 ill piseaaead (10 speak from as much knowledge of public
h all/ • ' -luluenerally falls to the experience of any odic
• 00a-41ster 1
, ulster who pleases t
ate ajaY that, excepting an occasional
viTstaent, I do not leoelieve-
kate and humour the English Go-
-4.1 in France that is not in fair ir there is an interest or an indi-
ere is no -count • ' -' of a high restrictive policy.
. , country in the world
not
••° •
;ad so violent as in France. It is n ere parties are so fierce
o:intents that they look jut. There: merely a change of Go.
,Zes the revolution in their common. taalrke, national parties who
4Pa whiand who anticipate
Itia c/t would make an Englishma
a.,,. a curious • n shudder. Yet we
aaa, . circumstance that not
"IY what are
sstes"., the Conservative party, the commercial aristo-
arei't but the
ultra•republicans— that part hose
tiot tetNect—hose st gle is to terminate cYlynawsty—
lii7/56.. get rid of a So vreurge ign or a Minister, buat entirely to
4tie the tenure of property if possible—that party is more
t,'phiete wavhat you call -free 'trade than even the commercial
asetkiPateY; - There are two interests in that country,
‘,7LietLoagainst each other; but both entertaining the
141-'4 they °tat their interests would be injured y
istt:ll call the fatal principle of competition.
..age ea .
or can
itt p nbe brought about in France, n
A 4 Rae, -Public princi 1 public rolicy be obtained
, a, . peor pn
that the
a -• :11,,:nnout diplomacy. Now, contend
chan,.ate„l2. Baronet and his Government have
Ge:g V opportunities for bringing about a aathietailei.,these means ; but neither he nor his
karat g hoes, °a, ever availed themselves of it. France has
kik, 'TN I° get from you, because you have given her as
ale "e Oft"ale asshe • and I maintain that the
I tanhe . wants ,
-* alit et of lia Bight Hon. Baronet, like all his former
etiat ahge in intral policy, will have no effect of producing.
4°141h) at 4 Pflace- We have tried this free policy long
ti -Ostal - int Right Baronet is not prepared to
„Peet. e tee Hon. . .
hopeless to
haloivaly ~ 'us, and a system of diplomacy, it is
l'as • - 'elaltation
fr ' loin 11,.,11 es„_ of French commercial
free policy ?
oat , en,,_ Feet to extend your trade by this .
optssty.eiktes
lieat, a„
' ' saY, 5,000,000 of quarters of corn mole
t sn, the IA °a and you will get bills to that amount, you
-gate-"ltiorisa rasils, and te meet those bills, you propose to send
114014 a BallPhes of facturers' goods, but you forget
!il term e ahead menu
trek, y sas the Y supplied the Brazilian population with as
altes ell ten Y require and if you want to sell
more to
us. tead 't sell ' For instance,
tqiit a tar 0 more at a great sacrifice.
the ,g 0f goods worth a million and a
half to the
hi, r *tut, -"tazilian, People will take as much as
iljj4:44te .1" they ill take no more without
,ill a, and when pries. Over-supply must always reduce
Ihtsaataral ,en Prices are 1 dby system of this sort, it
ari ai of ' Y lead t lowered a
Now, the
ti 1,140, the Right 0 reduce the wages at home..
It
all, she con c Ron. Baronet is a comprehensive one.
karlittellitil "d to onl o market, and you will find that
kite , ation of _ y. ne..
pt., set th and / .uppites will be going on in six or seven
t o
14 ClO4ll e effect Want to know if you are prepared
t_
14,, by Metals. 1
aPon the general distribution of he
at am, cearea_ confess that I can find nothing
!ilex,l , '4lelliate4",cY bill of the Right Hon. art? i t
hlie, aleastre" '0 Meet this change, for that, in my opinion,
' thaa get op and framed by the dictates of caution
et catr experienc H u meet your
tes,asha Res.....bew e ow can
fixed taxa-
lsetry, • can You can you meet your.
..
ill i
re., if can
u. most everything that is fixed in this
1,44 taiaaelier, i e la a. general failure of prices abroad,
I ,N,llystea, r. the value of labour at home? I maintain then
~,‘,are- Mr., of the
f ad will have a
,4, - say 1"' Upon v_ _ 9g to force sales abroad
f ,‘ Oh ")
tyi, Atiei_. atn wronge precious metals.—( Cries o ..
tatt`.% it e'ter is ea. but you must recollect that the policy
la halfs tlit anotheure thing, and the mode or principle of car-
thj'a,s ,lterdey, aaa's Now, for example, suppose, in carrying
ra` °d, You spud end a cargo of goods worth a million and
rt eta; treat, '",t receive back a proportionate quantity of
faaelis,7al / hssehat would be the effect ? Why, from
oettereorisitilevralready stated, the labour of England would
siZt, aithWilluntaraaliY. less than it did before, and as the
Yo je teer Yoe 1,`,? Your goods without a sacrifice on your
is:_t.ita,,r Part o,wl'i have to make a sacrifice or to pay in
le,ett,!tahl'retiene. ' the imported grain. This is the effect of
it k 1" 3Cheme IN e carn an I want ,an effect which I maintain is
ae iPrpr_racts? ta lamas" how you are to fulfil yonr
'slava% • ed. in
some n Sir, if the Right Hon. Baronet. is
tstie Of 44Stlfied in . cases to adopt hostile tariffs
141'aso. 3, but anchester acceding to the claims of the political
l, ha tiverth_, , and if he is not prepared to adopt hostile
thstaftei;.wai ere_aaess accedes to the claim of the Maochester
ta
stritelt to stbsdid'a a convulsion in this country which it will
qe ilale Pie of peat e* Now, Sir, before I address myself to
It 0t.i,,,,,ti0. the
,_ ection, „ a
matter of courtesy I am bound
oit
,oteeebes which fell from two other Honorable
sip'all, I'llentlern" the first
is
1 eu. sid it been au the , speech that of
tiaaatate re., oncratary at War, tho speech that
eaci el, liev ,‘"e it thf regalar time, and under proper
1. e eet,n
re
4 sdaderstand ceived with much applause. Now some Gentlemen, who have adopted