The Sun.
London, England, 1846-03-14 00:00:00

He could• only say that• the Bill for giving increased
authority to the Board of Works had only passed a few
since, and three days ago authority had been give°
to the Board of %Vcrks in Clare and Meath, where dis-
tress was supposed most to exist, to put the Act in oiler-
talon, and if there was any delay it proceeded only from
the necessary choice to be made of some substantial
work. -

Mr. POULETT SCIIOPE observed that if anything
would justify an Irish or an English Member for.
taking up the question of the repeal of the Union- 't
was the fact of his seeing, year after year, that the
Irish people were nut treated as the English by the Ise-
gislature of the country. What was the case of the
people of England? They had a first claim upon the
produce of the land. In England, as long as a man el'
kited, he could not he allowed to starve ; before the
landed proprietor could take a penny of his rent, /bed
poor man should be saved from starving. In Ire
such was not the case, and equal justice had not been
done. Now, with regard to the propositiOn of the 111
Member for Limerick, that the land of Ireland showa
be made responsible for the wants of the peoPle'easaid
that they should- not come to seek eleemosynare at
from England, he could by no means assent to it It'tb-e
he would recommend would be the adaptation 01 'et
poor-law system to the proper organisation
bey
in-door and out-door relief ; for surelY t
to
were not to wait until a man was ' Presrtr,t.ief,
from fever before they would grant him eint.
If Fever were the produce of famine, their first °Jere
your should be to remove the cause. If relief tit
to be afforded, it ought to be so before r,
unhappy individual reached that state of stollte
ration, when • famine was its necessary e tr.
comitant. It was u-ged that there might be danhle-et
of imposters seeking that compassion and supnlY vi ,itor
they did not require. They would discover au imPte-be..
by giving him a hard task of labour—but he weld" ee-
seech them not to refuse food which was absolutelfheee
cessary to maintain health. An abstntee-tete had that
proposed. Now he considered that the best tti'l; lent
could be applied would be one levied on the prine.Patel
the poor-rate, inasmuch as it would be one on therthst
of Ireland. He was one of those that considered first
property had its rights as well as duties—and the heir
duty of landed proprietors was, not to permit tb to
tenants to starve.—(Hear, hear.) Ile did not w'ts the
impeach the landlords of Ireland, but he defiteses
house to deny that there were many individual ins gals
where landlords in Ireland did not do their duty. istel
were they to distinguish between them ? Enigtore
they imposed the duty by law, because the Leg3tAhere
well knew that there would be many instances aSa
men would not do their duty unless compelled to 'le
In Ireland the poor rate did not yield more than fro
pence in the pound, whilst in England it yieldedia 00c
thrae to four shillings, so the Irish proprietors con were
complain of being overcharged, if the proposed 0%
carried out. As there would be man other OPPerr ate
ties of discussing the question, he would not further
tain the House, but he could not avoid maid", upOA
few observations, as he held very strong opinions
the subject. bette
t
Mr. BANKES said that it appeared to him that a•
was now forced upon the attention of the Hoetze,tger'f
tion, which must have occurred to the mild °` t",tser
gentleman, that when the Government were in P„tees
tion of all these important facts, it was their vett the
duty to have called together the Parliament early luttee,
month of November. If such a course had been tit. fore
this difficulty could not have occurred, and long 1 pleat
the prezent time the full effects of these benefiejeta 0'
sures would have been in operation; and, inste,ss
diminishing the fever, they might have had rcTtts to
hope of preventing it altogether. He was at a
to this
know what answer the Government could gife ore
question? They acknowledged that theyb pig
in possession of that information whit' itel°;
duced uneasiness • and disquiet in their Inca it
and surely the natural means to have alhtft
the
was to have called together the Parliament relieve
earliest possible period, and thus the means t° tee'
the existing distress would by thist„el
be circulated through the country. He vi—teub'l
having heard the speech of the Recorder for .r.
that the comments on it had been must unflattl be
words were " that having been last week in Ire et the
felt it a relief to his mind to state that thoetga, hot
extreme accounts of distress had been exaggtertntete 01;1
that he. did find the distres to be very great."
the sentiments of his Right Hon. Friend, and
to know, did he betray any want of feeling in stet'
" that he it felt a relief to his mind to be able tn sber
truth?" With respect to the speech of the non* jeer;
for Finsbury, it had also been much' Int„estie
sented. He by no means said that his ,
ctt'Ttsteiitt;
would be a permanent remedy—he only offereuveir, '
porary. He Said, you intend to give them
what food will do.
• the plain
Sir VALENTINE BLAKE concurred °tot. lief
sure brought forward by the Right Hon. 115' the re' ot
addition to the measures in conemplation for
repreis
of' the destitution of Ireland, het suggested thelft (ed
of purchasing estates, and apportioning the a"w"ay"
small lots among the people at a reasonable re 7
this were adopted, he considered that the gr.itert
vantages would accrue, and the recurrence ofd.l
present so prevalent would be entirely prevents is sse.°oo.
Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN rose to explain. the Pde
not make any strictures on the speech fort efts" is
Member for Tyrone. He wished merely th,neliegf'tlf
said would be distinctly understood. His 'tee grcttea
common with those of his countrymen, wet lesltite
exasperated with the sums of money whic.ea ese
granted for the relief of the poor of helot", It ;he
what was the whole amount of this relief ins, of
amounted to 100,000/. All the rest was loestatriiiit
sum which was annually drawn out of the e 0°
absentees amounted to four or five naillionsoitb 00
os
and the quantity of cattle, pigs, bacon, &eeeeeg teettel
every year exported for the purpose of ens u" jf bs
to make up this sum was incredible. 0 to to
would allow these four or five milli° there,
spent in Ireland, he would if rite!
take back the grant of 100,000/.
~uce3
ise!f
ment had met in November last, and 10°103, tor
sures for the relief of the destitution in I°oo ae A
when they had met they had taken the case terotel
serious censideration, instead of hurryingte pee'
coercion Bill, they would not be now under the c
of discussing such a measure as the present. et 501Prisis)
Mr. MILES said, that if 100,000/. was .1. ob
to meet the wants of Ireland, he believed twrefoti 0;04
House of Commons was ready to come f°l. aola 554
grant of ten times that amount. What he s
of, however, was, that while they were the
were P 0"
measures for their relief, immense numbers, esetteetiber
ing. The people wanted employment; theitadttee
cue remedy, but many remedies; and, as thet Wasp - COS
for Weymouth stated, every means that losid beoso
to adopt, every channel by which rellef,,t parP toe;
municated, should•be made use of, for t:i'ict eettertioo
averting the impending misery. Ile e%
the , ell
ever place entire reliance upon , ended Iris
Ittt
of Government. A great deal 'let tlereeld
local boards. The assistance of Irish ge.nrca to et
clergymen and priests, would also be reoltnthe err woo'
exertions of the Government, and to sta•Y_bie, bete ses,,
ing famine. As ad returns on the ta,, in PitLy,,
like to know if thereturn he moved for ea:l4terltte;
sion was among them? Ile had moved for retartsietb;t
highest price of potatoes. If they had at an a‘tri it
kind for the last seven years, it would If' 'frelse
adjunct to these papers. The people 0, eientittt tbt,
been said were starving in the midst u' at 'hoe t'st
were exporting that which they should hetere t tailed
own sustenance. Now, if they bad be
edttiOtes
report to which he alluded, it would
the eon crl
barometer by ehich they could gaupe better WO
the peole of Ireland, as there could b. ~th cricee, 0:0
rion to judge of its extent than these ni,Tbe to heept!,.,
give. Another return which he would 1, ea to „
f irela' totlre
the capacity of the poor houses 0 Ito et $
inmates, and the number of paupers w core 13°_s
sent receiving relief in them. Theyt'
to be O•CPA,,
to erect hospitals, and he thought itsre_seg, oit at
they knew the numbers in the union D stibjeC,
to site"
enable them to have clearer yiews on.t'fis eutt peg
sent under discussion. He thought goo. os
these few remarks, and he hoped the
titte, e
would give the returns 'which he required.
celY Lino "shaveri
Sir J. GRAHAM, who was scarcely tta
understood to say that the firstf rrene" °jo°
the Hon. Gentleman referred—in re °sox h°sot, boat
of potatoes—was to be found 111
a penile 7 Yeto se.eft
table. It did not extend over a nel2 them 04,
was comprehensive enough to enabletie, ; 040 thttel
potatoes had attained a very great P' With t
te'etb, tat in rese4
that if they were kept for another r the pet ore
specs to those which were not affeemo_
be utterly -destroyed. As to the latter
the pet per! ie
ence to the number of inmates, whin"esteer oeliet,o
were calculated to contain,
who were at prestnt actually
ro
°duce
clef
them, he had no objecion to r_trstien,
_not trrie
reference, however, to the present eerier) ao . tar
The Hon. Gentlern
..eust 11e fe
be quite useless.
which the p.es too'
to understand the object c
_sr, to. , it, 14$'
and the nziving, 1:,000.
view, or he would not think it Iwo sett,,e,3 ette. ter
_0
turns which had no immediate coen
ox'`,ee tbatcater!es
Mr. FITZGERALD was happY,t 'such n rho; of
the present. He thought, however,
them forwern'hale eel tbet
jestv's Government were introd.vuecri,nfhat
ithericriicitosersje
too great a delay in bringing
last, and t° to te-eie it
ought to have met in October
n_tessarytt steec pest
those measures which were eu
prettV Is—A
P 4
impending evils. T•et was then
.a
oder
it
it,ite;
that the crops in Ireland
le
distrGss.es and deci-t
alleviate the ftetosg, fe•
been as yet done to were sa t' 0 coo be et
nthoewpetohpelemiannthth:oaf country' rev
I._s_nagialeacig,
naut
the distress 1; hich at present pre
vi
or heinaGo
than boy" a'-
portion of it. There. .s ow, am, otse,
oplelta
a state of destitution in 11 was prop its
greatly afraid that thte?e,rleianuoseiess,bbour
90
he on'n tle'
tet Gottes
would give it his cordial supported at s°l:ne of
1100' I,OP-
Mr. VILLIERS was surprit
rrh,netoto es teattele;
was glad that the present measure
of the Hon. Member for Somerset. so `ns`. e 59 le"t
man appeared to think not lin Brain,"vege.,_est afte
gee
portation into this country of
to that ILn. Member by w s else's pare e•els
8.4 c., from Ireland. Let hins,,i
h ti
e r the epti
ihWcgre'vsitiiir°ollllliciciothll,4
rid of. Let them get teeestitertaised or,otla bee, gate,
apprehension which- lie n
soca Ito tool',
effects which their important) c of
co 11,
removed. There was another yiutue.' /3)
J.,
itreist,ft
tone
bet's to which he would briefly °wear I
this
e;tioee
would restrict the menace s
tbs
ing out his benevolent intentions td eernamthis ob. Ire;
to at Lan e''not lesettie
there - crepe tve-elleflser
country. He (Mr. Villiers)
would just asic any man to
land. Let him reflect that eet,ple, " unto'. htr
500,000 or 600,000 of the Irish ,set, _
reoe
manufacturesa of
ttltitre.o ts €%l'3eiPeteridr
disposed of these two theories,ease to the sate liej3i,tat be
employment by the
Somerset, he would no_oterct,
irneriett, encso, te too
by the Hon. Mt mber la
Member fur Strtad_sd
cos t
forStroud. The ....0n.,0 jrel t' •
not weeder that the
and demanded a reptgaelnotf the union.