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GROUP XXXIV.

The Committee met at twelve o'clock. Present, Hon. Mr. Cow-
per (chairman), Viscount Duncan, Zion. Montague Gore, Mr. Wal-
pole, and Mr. Sanders Davis.
GREAT GRIMSBY AND snir.rpraza) JUNC-
TION (EXTENSION No. 17.)

Lord Worsley, Chairman of the Great Grimsby and Sheffield Rail-
way to was examined at length by 31r. H pe, in favour of the proposed
line. Lonlship's attention was especially directed to t!:e Barton
And New Holland Ferries over the Humber, and the preference
the latter which had been given by the Post-offke over the other,
and to the superior accommodation offered by the proposed railway
for communication between the agricultural and manufacturing dis-
tricts over that by the Hull and Lincoln

Other witnesses were caned to give evidence on the same points.

GROUP XXXV

Tiie Committee met to-day et twelve o'clock, in Room No. 21
(Grand Corridore). Present, Lord Seymour (chairman), Viscount
Ebrington, Mr. F. French, Lord Edwin Hill, and Sir Ralph Lopez.
There havi►►g bee►► a mistake in the votes, in which the time of
meeting was set down as " one" o'clock, whereas the Committee
actually met at twelve," there was considerable delay, b'fore the
parties were in attendance and ready to proceed. The Committee
at length resumed the consideration ot the

SHEFFIELD, ROTHERHELIVI,
VgiAXEFIELD, HIIDDERSFIZLD, AND
GOOLE.

Mr. Thomas Chambers, a proprietor of Mal mines and iron works,
at Thornelitre, in the district through which the line is proposed to
pass (bong half-way between sheffie'd and Barnsley), was exa-
mined on the part of the promoters, to prove the value of the ac-
commodation which the railway would give to that pan. of the
West Riding, and that it was superior in its claims to the proposed
competing lines and branches. Tho evidence of this gentleman was
substantially the same as that given by Mr. George Chambers
yesterday.

Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant Wean:num—The witness was
not able to state exactly what would be the advantages of the branch
contemplated by the Manchester and Sheffield Railway. lie wa
convinced that they would not be so great to the district in question,
certainly not to that part in which his works were situated. With
respect to Sheffield, there were coal works to the town, or rather on
the south and east side of it. The coal was of the Silkstone forma-
tion, and there was enough in the immediate neighbourhood
of the town to supply it for some hundred years to come.
But then, that part of the great coal bed was more diffi-
cult of working than cut of the pits near by Barnsley.
Witness supplied the gas-works at a lower rate than they were
supplied from ►he Sheffield works. If he could send his coal by
railway to Sheffield, taking into account the expense of working the
coal mines of the Duke of Norfolk at Sheffield, he would be able to
meet tile produce of the latter en equal terms.

In cross-examination by Mr. rICKERING, on the part of Earl Fitz-
william, and other opponents of the Bill, the witness stated that
this railway would come close to his own works, but would not go
nearer than three miles to the Milton works ; but there existed tram
ways which connected his works and the Milton works with the
line et the proposed railway. The remainder of the cross-examination
elicited nothing material.

Mr. Ilenry Unwin, of Sheffield, iron-master, was examined by Mr.
LAING, on the part of the promoters of the Bill, and gave detailed
evidence to show that the proposed line would benefit the manuftahc;
turers of Sheffield by opening to them an access by railway to
11.0
the coal at present to that too n,
would be oblig.l to
coal of the Silkstone and Barnsley
whether
t.1.T./iTtip.arttileesighwhehuothsoo,upfpad
rilie site of the town itself, or nom Derbyshire,
into competition.
lower their prices if the S'ikstone and Barnsley coal
f) as to the constiMP-
Could be bi ought
%computed
jt
artfnents of manutitc-
the different p
take time
timi of coal of vat ions kinds in
the Tti a".l ton fe cssal'e'ualsa et
irooist
agreed that he should
as to the Items of
lure in Sheffield. Ultimately it was
i-examined at grT,t,iteeirat
tor the satisfaction
tt,,r,,lhrvoiaprpoe
sahli);retootif...th.
jc. details In form.
The next .choose, Mr. Edwin truwin,, Is a director of the gas corn-
nany at Sheffield, gave evidence of a similar character in favour of
the Bill. 'fie coal purchased at the pit's mouth, within 300 yards of
the Sheffield Gas Works, was charged 6s. 10d. per ton ; whereas the
price of the Mortumney coals, the works being about eight miles
from Sheffield, cost about 4s. rd. at the pit's meant. This could be
delivered in Sheffield, if this railway were completed, at 6s. per ton.
The Sheffield Coal Company would be obliged to reduce their prices,
and the gas rates would also be reduced.
The witness was cross-examined at great length. He was de-
cidcdly of opinion that there was a scarcity of coal in Sheffield, and
that the wants of the town would be supplied by means of this
railway. -
Mr. Swan, manager of the Chapeltowu Iron Works, near Sheffield,
was examined to nearly the same effect, in favour of the Bill. By
means of the railway, the carriage of mineral from the works to
Sheffield, and the delivery there, would be reduced from ss. to Is. 6d.
per ton. Ills company would " unlock" more of the mineral, and
they would be able to dispose of a large quantity of engine coal
which at present was waste. The railway would give other means.
of saving, so as to increase the supply, and lower the price of their
iron.
Mr. J. Fletcher, of Goole, shipowner and builder, also gave evi-
dence in favour of the line, as serving to connect that port with the
silkstere and Barusley coal field.
Evidence in support, of the traffic tables was then adduced, and
The Committee adjourned at four o'clock.

GROUP XL.
The Committee met at two o'clock. in Room 26, Mr. Stafford
O'Brien in the chair.
The following Rills have been referred to their consideration :
Lancashire and Yorshire (North-Eastern), York and Lancaster,
Leeds and York, Leeds, York, and Midland Junction, York aqd North
Midland (Leeds Extension), North-Western, and Morecombe Har-
bour and Railway.

The first Bill taken was the
YORZ AND NORTII MIDLAND (LEEDS
EXTENSION).
The Hon. Mr. TALBOT, Q.C., opened the case for the promoters.
The object of the Bill was to do away Ns ith a very inconvenient and
circuitous route on the York and Leeds line. This Bill would give a
direct communication between Tadca.ster and York. Passing from
Tadcaster they came down to.the Leeds and Selby Railway, of which
railway they would avail themselves. They would finally cross the
North Midland station, which was an exceedingly commodious one;
that of the Leeds and Selby being a very indifferent station. By
means of a branch at Skipton, they would have a communication
with the Leeds and Bradford Railway, which he had no ha ny nuesitation
in saying would 'involve as commercial results as e
in the kingdom. Then _e they would have a communication with
Hull, and alt the lines lying on the west of that port. The
total length of the extension would be 17 miles, which would it valve
an expense of 30,0001. There WAS a rival Hine, for whli ill
Learned Friend Mr. Baines aware,' ; and hoitt would
find, on looking at the mtp, that instead of making 17 miles only of
railway they would be compelled by their pi 2 to make 26 nnles and
3 furlongs. This company did net propose to inter-ect any property
at Leeds. The station
the owner of which was opposed to tha intersection. Whether his
the second railway constructed
1 saidto LheeedwsMararUivisetclltnatt
Learned Friend's clients were so fortunate he knew not. Ile con•
chided by tendering evidence.
to fir.
stlpe,xriainitdeeirilSchnetrroiff, offheMagrogs,ilgasnfrt:o,tLmwenehdius
ivrtshie-ekri.);;l:4nolmted.
AllAs
g‘vonds 5 only
this stat!on. Unless this Bill were suffered to peas, the traffic be-
tween Bradford and Bull, which was exceedingly extensive,
have to he carried rowed by Castleford. That t would
3,60. per yrca. Cvusidorale cpmettitiQu relic was about
WOUld Wit Intweon

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1 this'cOttfranyanii the canal in that district, even_ il.P..the -— -
I this Bill passing. '"-- ::
elf -e Tile:
Cross-examined by Mr. BAMTA (who appe 011 11--a---Ati_3 '--
Liels, York, and Mid'aod Junction.) Ile had 'ea 04, -,.:3-•..- 1
, , -,:,. \.
several years of the iuendtelency of the statio . 'Witlitalthe se•se_,,-,..7-.• ',i, ,
twe or three years those eonrilitints had very c ithcreatied%• Lvtot',-:',7---.1. 1
..,
plans for these extensions were published at the •-, t-Naie i',-i 4-
(which was after the publication of the Leeds Ild.UlC<COn.f -..,.:0
plans).
.Lied.4ltrat. 7 ~
Mr. John Waddington, resident until recently pt tarb,...,..
that he had for several years carried on th !DOW _r-4-t
_4,
merchant there. Is a Director of the Leeds -and- \,m tk 1. D
Railway Company, and was acquainted witk ' -1 s•
of the three a:murk-tin; schemes bef,...es the galnAtte_trs
viz.. Leeds and York, Leeds, York, and Midland Jauction, York ewe.
North II idland (Leeds Extension); and he was eecl.ledly of opirtioll
that that of this Company was of the utmost public imporlaiiee• Yl'"
of Opinion that a connexion between the Leeds and Bradford and the
Bull and Si•lhy Railway as a matter of great importance. The
cost of the Leeds and Yo TZ scheme would be about double that of the
constructien of the other scheme, and lie did not believe thati If
carriel cut, it would be a rennmerative line. The gross recelP,3 Per
annum could not be more than 3,01-.le/.
Cross-examined by Air. Sergeant WILEISIS (who appeared for the
Leeds, Mirk lard Midland Junction) —Was a proprietor in this Com-
pany, and concurred in a petition of the Leeds and Bradford ItailWai
Con,pany, agailiq the Leeds and York. In that •.-se.tition thefewere the
words, " That the Leeds and York schema was totally unnecessarY
and uncalled for, imsimach as there was now, and had been for
several years an efficient eommunicatioe between Leeds and
York, which the York and North-311d1..nd Railway
Company were most ready to extend. It vas M'
nosed to conbeet t" e Leeds and Sel'iy line nod the Leicds
and Bradford siattlor, ',y a line coming in at the Nor h Midland A
little below tills Compans 'a branch there. There must be detention%
under Lord Seymour's Act at the two proposed junctions of the line,
the speed being then required by law to be redueed to six miles per
hoar. There would be only one detention on the Leeds, York. and
Midland Junction, but he was of opiimion that it would he as incoavee
nient as the two detentions on this Company's line. He had never
amen many quotation of the shares in the Leeds, York, and North Xide
land.

Lent ILkauwooD was next called, and said that this railway would
pass through one of Ins farms. Was no great friend of railways that
passed through his pra?erty. There had been a meeting in his
neighbourhood to take into consideration the merits of the three rival
schemes, and they came to the conclusion that this line would give
the greatest aecommodation, if any such accommodation was neces-
sary. The Leeds and York line telt out some of the most important
towns and villa:es lying between Leeds and York. There was, at
one season of the year, consideraile passenger traffic between Scar-
borough and Harrnate.
Cross-examinedAM! (who appeared for the Leeds
.
tdi
rc.e t)_ srbeyp
of this Company WAS present at the, meeting alluded to, ahlthougt
I Mr. Hudson, the Chadanan of this Comuany was there. T c_re_tv ti
r3els7:ntnaatiarpeTof the interests of the two rivalli
one gentleman (Mr. Hatfield) who opposed the Leeds and 1 ork
although he was now in favour of it.
Cqoss-examined by Mr. Sergeant WILSINS—Mr. Hudson at that
meetng denied the necessity of the, Lee 's and York, and the Leeds.
York, and Midland Junction. At that time en plait but a prospectus
of Mr. Hudson's line was produced. Abhotford and Tadeaster would.
receive great benefits it a railway passed near them. lie was e
opinion that this Company's scheme av,;s more direct than the.
Leafs, York, and Midland Junction, although, if he were convinced
that it was actually a mile longer than that of the line for which he
(Mr. Sergeant Wilkins) appeared, his opinion wou:d of course be init•
hmeeSlirf,aaldi,:ican.r,'da:iVg6iedaol;:asionitrwsh-inliheewr•a„,
resided
dner or
r I,leazesletwatoo;
was awyheicrl;
family since the Cnnouest. This cooixit:eany's inselienthiee
extensive one, and it hail-
over his estate for two or three
and he had !resented a petition na—teisn in
a yen objectionable
objectionable way,
would pass
a psoaussc
but at the time there wa, in3,,Te„..lnbenie some time ego.
lie was, however.
of opinion, that this scheme was a good one, and ought to be.
encouraged.
Cross-examined by MT. ad not yeryfaus considered the
merits'of the Leeds and York sclonne.
truss examined by Mr. Sergeant Wrunss—The line of the Leeds
York, and Midland Junction would pa,s a mile and a half
distant from his mansion, whilst that of Mr. Hodson would pa
at a distance of a mile and a quarter, and weul•l very much inju
his estate. It would also pass over Lord Hanck's estate .11 a deeply'
cutting. His own estate would also be very much cut to one placej
and embanked in another for the purposes of this Company's echeme4
Ile did not know whether those cuttings and erntianktnents would ha
greater or less Om those proposed by the Leeds, York, and Midland
Junction. Mr. Hudson had announced that there were share*
reserved for the owners of property through which his sellot ts'.
would pass. The premium on those shares was now cent;
per cent., but they were at one Otte much higher. MI
Richardson (Mr. Hudson's solicitor), and Mr. BirkenShaw, hilt
engineer, were' present at the meeting held at Mr. Fox's, for the con
sideration of the different lines by the landowners in the dlStril
through which they proposed to pass.
Mr. tleorge Heart, of Leeds, was next examined, and said he was S
merchant residing in that town for the last four years, and wag
acquainted with the Marsh Lane station, which was in a most
convenient position, and not at all adequate to the traffic that en-
tered the town by tho Company's line. It was of importance that
all the goods arriving at Leeds should meet at a common centre', ate,.
Ron. That object could only 1 e a,lvanced by some scheme which(
would connect Leeds and Bradford and the 'Korth Midland Railways(
.He was of opinion that that junetian ought to he efk cted by the ex*
!saw, company,
as ether new companies would be compelled to
charge tolls which would be too high, and the of
question
tells W0L1.4
not be the only Inconvenience. The-re should be unity of manage.
went.
Cross-examined by Mr...R ,on AINES blof
e la • the Leeds and Tort
—lle was of opinion that the • nelghbourlio•Al of Wellington would kg
the most desirable point' fora pas ginger station in Leeds.
Mr. Thomas Johnson Fox
for the last seventeen years to the was
the
next
witness—Was
land-agent
were landowners in the distract property of the Miss Laskin, who
, through which this line wcwid pass.
This Company's line would
people of Leeds with the a direct cominurtication to the
coal tulips of his
were worked to a very great extent. T emPloyers ;nd which
important town in that district, and yet tho was
b‘.
liar tie most
would not go new. it. If the Le,ds an .1 e eeds and York sche: vie
lie believe.? that a mach greater quantity .loy line were eatery/ed.
along it to the tow, of Leed,. of coals would be forwarded
w ease
The
• • . as, at this atnee of the proceedings, r
morrow, the Speaker having bgen announced , Jeurned until to.
to be at praserr-

Sub-Committee No. 1.
This Committee met at twelve o'clock, when the following Hon.
Members were present :—Mr. Strntt (chairman), Sir J. y.
Mr. Brotherton, Mr. Forbes. and Mr. Beckett.

WEST RIDING JUNCTION.
The case for the opposition to this Bill was resumed on the meet•
ing of the Committee, and the allegations of the petition before
the Committee were proceeded with. On the case for the petitioner
being conchfcled, it was stated that there was a..other petition against
the hill, but as its allvgatants we:e identical with tho:e of the former
petition, it wesnot considered necessary to go into V•em.
The Committee decided that the staudiu; orders were complied
with.

The Committee then proceeded with the
BETLICS AND RANTS (Bnvataronn
TENSION AND E.AXISTOCIC COLLIERY
LINE).
This line came on. as agre-4 last week, hut was found to be very
deficient in the formal proofs. a number Of the witnesses hot beint
in attendance. In one instance it was shown that a warrant had.
been served en one of the absent witnesses, and that he had given
the same evidence as he would have given now, in Sub-Committee
Na. 2, the Bil, having been originally brought before that Committee.
The lists prainced by hitu on that occasion were nanded in and.
proved, and the Committee determined to report that evidence had.
been given of the service of a warrant on the witness, and of the list
having been proved in the other Committee.

The nature of the prouossfi extension is apparent from the name.
The length of the hoe v, ill be thirty-eight miles, and the estimated
cost will he 85.w.otalt. Mr. I. K. Itrutzel io the engineer, and Iltssrs.
Burke and (o. are the Parliamentary agents.

31r. ('DATES and 3f r. IVEIISTEIt appe .11e.1 in support of the petitionS
of a•ariaus owners and occupiers en the line.
Thvt•part 01' the ti-irmal proofs with which the promoters were pre—
pared !wing enmpletetl,- the evidence on the part of the petitioners way
procei-'e 1 %Rh.

The first allegation, and several others, mostly referring to the
omission of names fruit the hoot of reference, And non-service of
notices, were declared proved. Others were not sustained, and some
withdraw',

These allegations occupied CB four o'clock. when the Committee,
adjourned.

STANDING ORDERS' COMMITTEES.
HOUSE OF LORDS.

Their Lordships met this dad•— present. the Earl of Shaftesbury
the Duke of Richmond, and Lord llawai o.en.

The only case brought before th Committee as the case of the
011AGII,DURGANNON, ARMAGH. AND BELFAST JUNCTION

RAILWAY.

The remaining portion of the names of the promoters having beet!
proved, the Committee intimated that the Bill had passed their Lord.
ships.
Their Lordships rose at five o'clock.

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