The Sun.
London, England, 1833-05-14 00:00:00

wathonleo
of
greater the
n
to him by Government a loan, or rather a
ift, of tb
e gerxop'se
ntsionr a andnd i
n labadoduirt
ioas n ahta
vpere saednvta,
06;1
gust xtra'
full price of all his slaves, calculated upon the m
vagant d ita. Mr. Stanley cannot hut entertain a h°ll
that he has not correctly understood a proposition
which, if so intended, it is saying but little to declire 04,
utter impossibility of suggesting it for the consideration 01
the British Parliament.
" Much stress is laid in the memorandum, uP° te:
unparalleled liberality of the allowance of wages of three
entire days for the negro to supply himself with clothing
and necessaries. Mr. Stanley must, however, be permit!.
to remark, that the liberality, or even sufficiency, of WI,
allowance must depend altogether upon the amount °:.
those wages; and that it would appear from the foil;
part of the memorandum, that the allowance iqr 1r
amount, less than that which it actually costs the nvOte
for the same objects under the present
Stan system. i'
" Mr. ley will ter f into the con'i,
deration of a documentnot uponen whichurther (as containing °6lj
the individual views of gentlemen, however well
ual%,
to express opinions on this subject especially) no
of
iclij,
w
tive measures can be founded ; and the discussion of Wh,t.
therefore, in its details, can lead to no practical ro
There is much in it to which Mr. Stanley, i' Pree;
pared to assent; he regrets to add, that there 19 °up
morecaovnooidi
naibaniloenwd, hehliaceyh
has
ae
which feelsohas nly tiot impossibleair
add,eathatty
i or
regre
utoer(ebtctoihng Will ne
5° cuvirt.h.e.
tott
t,
taV
an early opportunity of communicating officially 0
fdreopmutetdh ebyoptihneiotnnstooofotmhinosuenigoeantetlewmitert
twheho
West India body the general views entertained by
'Majesty's Government; although, if he were to ..) de
meat'.
with but feeble hopes of securing, on the part of th3tuil.
portant body, a concurrence, the full value of which '''J
ready to admit, and the absence of which cannot :4,
seriously augment the acknowledged difficulties al ".1
-G obt:evren..ll-

question.
" Colonial-office, April 29."

OBSERVATIONS IN REPLY. the
The undersigned have the honour to acknowledge ley,
receipt of a communication from Mr. Secretary Sfrithe
dated the 30th inst., in reply to their memoranda' t
bB
sl
23d inst., and it is with regret that they obeerve %stir
considers it to be " a document upon which ll° ur-

tive measure can be founded." bed
Under these circumstances, the undersigned %ow po
waited for the promised communication of the g"hitl
views of his Majesty's Government, and would o?tp.
troubled Mr. Stanley with any further observat,'°e-00e
present, but there are some points in Mr. Stanley,'
munication which they consider it necessary to Ilet'ee 3jr.
They cannot admit the principle laid down tr tY
Stanley, that the Government has had no control Oci ?re
circumstances which, of late years, have caused the „reol3!
ciation in West India property. It can be diatinelll,,r„ per
that the value of that property has been affected 1;:ti,
ceedinge of the executive Government, and by d°'l„4
on the title of property in slaves ; and as that titre•goa
questionable in law, or in justice and equity, ore tY
the planter, and is, indeed, specifically set forth for t
Parliamentary resolutions of 1823, to be providedesod ,
all measures relating to the slave population, theY, Bog
for a moment suppose that Parliament will take gb,., 641
of any depreciation which may have been caused ,J.OOP
tn vernent in its alleged intention of carrying thlr9
tions into effect, or that it will enable the pulliic " )4, Iht
the property of the planters at a depreciated vat-o'ci
people of England having sold that property to, 3 4.
ceived the price of it from, the planters. or
The undersigned, upon reflection, and after roll c j
3,1
sideration of Mr. Stanley's observations, remain C'ef ti
that the bash, suggested for estimating the value -tot!
property in slaves, that is by actual sales previc°' 1
1,
depreciation consequent on the measures of Goverf per
ti
,
minus the per centage of the decline in the rice
duce which has subsequently taken place, is itPt bee,, eI,D
table ; and they are prepared to enter into adrant‘ir O'
explanation upon this part of the strbject,
observations of Mr. Stanley, they are appreheniitoloti,,
has not correctly understood the nature of the ca''' IP it
submitted, as to the decline in the price of produericer';
calculation is not made upon the gross selling Pt
Mr. Stanley seems to imagine, but upon the °.OlO
realized by the planters, the duty and sale charges
tbdt
t
the periods selected being deducted,
est sir,
According to this calculation, it does not $1'1) oil.
the decline has been more that lb per cent. ;,e 1;0'17, 1,
Stanley, in his observations that a decline to this , ,
P''' • k
extent is not greater than that which has take' ,
agricultural produce in this country, seems to ove,1000,:
most material circumstance. The loss resulting %to' ?,
depreciation in the value of produce in thila Ceutto Is° 't
divided b tween the capitalist and the labourer
many cases, indeed, the latter bears more than his Pi,
able quota, but in the West Indies, under every yo'/
tude, the negro has still received his customary Oh'
and the whole loss has been borne by the plantrt!e ode;
As to the mode of extingniahing s'iyeery, mrecti3O
signed regret to find that Stanley bas 0' •
their suggestions and observations in the spirit 'nos:,
they were offered. They deny that the scaled°
tion proposed would exempt the planter from °leo
lity of loss, although they cannot discover any iSP-0
for his suff.ring a 'pis by measures which gitrredog
upon him solely on national grounds. A'„c,:olerltif
principles hitherto acted upon by P 0.7 r Pilo(
all cases where private property is taken
purposes, of p tying for the whgle prepertY4 to
to
an essential part is required, the planter is erft°,,,for
id
mand payment for the whale of his propertYr solv,
capital sunk in land and buildings, as well as f° to
vested in slaves. But in the su_gestions oti're
Stanley, it is proposed that the planter should heda:ll,
value of the slaves only ;he would tun the obi"
the change on the lirger pßrtion of caPita"oo9t 'ot
stank in land and buildings ; and even in the AO
guine view which can be taken of the subject, tbei 00
of his cultivation would be increased not scctiPYrtsis
amount of the interest and sinliing fund of ;1;e,,:,,, huoOf
ally ttehda nt
h%l moneyV2S' the neon of , ,
exceed his present outlay for the care and sqr eobLi,
slaves ; by increased public taxes; and by tu.,eiibeiliP,
andpaysnmpepnotseodf to
wages b Pt'aoi d r'oe_ri
meat arising out of the pircumstance of a
duce, with utp pc rather increased'• el
l
under
hour
u4,A
ri
.wothsaieletialluseibleiwpaype or another : so that his pro 000
return for the capital sunk in land or buildings rp,
IPd
be very encouraging. otiti,
system,mo ty ii
nmt ad ga
from
It thh
at.rtbt
the
shiaiogena Miny ?tvc;iqhudir,igoeof
the planter's paying to the negroes in monervi„a
equivalent to their present outlay in the care et:e
of their slaves. But no person acquainted scAit oit'eljdi
Indies can expect that anything' of the c 041.
result of the emincipaticA of tht ataiea! of,rll'6tr
unjust to impede the 'risWor this gpou the 0
t ol
the undersigned Gould mit,lead Mr. Stanley a'e
will
an
nint
arterasanognemtoenetxpwehctichthaimt
ptoliseedptlahnetewrshowleii'
them. If they take the risk upon their Oerlr,o
lands and buildings, it is the ntroo*t th'.t 4 '
be expectetil- tbi" 10 ,
umbrsigned e4nnot aMnit that ". eYeqntogeotA
vague and obscure with referencp to the advrolef
derived Ely the Rego:," and must refer Mv•
memorandum of the 23d of April, being co
the regulations there proposed cannot have
understood, otherwise they could not .114" e
,r
m; ,de observation* de t;pon them by 'o°',o
was distinctly stated in the memorandum? I:OA:A
of wages which might be fixed must have re
$:;;0;
present outlay upon the slaves by the maste'isj tie
anent of interest and sinking ftlnd ; 11;14 $ dibe)
some proportion to the value of Pr'odtiee• surelY,„)
sideration be given to theSe several heads) aosoript
terest of the negro might be sufficiently,
protected. It must be kept in mind ti
tbF „131 atep,/
details as to wagea and regtilati, ldid'eres
their new condition which, thust yary jeg. der?
and can only be finally adjuste`tf iri the COlOO,
tboseloi4
dersigned, therefore, dui not attempt to fill 1/1009 p,s6o,
The observation that, under the regula,,,c,nit, of
'' the master would continue to command t"T' "ieie
as P
the whole of the negru's time and !PA°. ' ori $
ep
at no great expenrie," will not it borne 9,titnathecote/;.
amain C ,le i
,rii:enrewartoitiurli
:jujn oepf
(t)flnoreutnimi
dee rtiltieiri,garratonetd ui
etnrs,nulunin4 ti
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inrirhU
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A. COLV,IIO
Hucig ••• Iv
vernment scheme autnnittetd"to
JOHN n
Cl
• ewer"
MACA LEY'S and Mr. GritANT's rent- y I
There is no trti h
td
Morning Advertiser. ,
Of ite ,11°
His Royal Highness the Du t' his 4,
General BA ITDRAND, and several officers ori
Grilion's Hotel this morning in twos tbe,
their MAJESTIES at Windsor. S, Vrral :1 to 0 Ord
.otirse, of the day for the Castle. On
o,beit t
In
,MAJESTIES return St. J.tweN's Palace,
the rer ,r. 0150
usualwill hold his
arl i:ilrieenkisity,rLseivvei: also kiv`,o,ol3l';'lo'

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