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to:rtlits riet of penury, poverty, and want ; but that
ki h an think' hive reminiscences of another nature, he
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better ,at all events, his declining health would be
lee
I, ;flvigorated by fresher breezes than those which
IN, at meet with in a workhouse in the heart of a
lity lie (Mr. Bankes) insisted upon the neees-
-4cl of the insertion
pro • of the clause which he
!t ett!"'ted unless the Government came forward
kstaio'e and plainly stated what was their
Kr 4 With re,pect to the rom.wahility of those
1111 l!'en %110 formerly belonged to agrieui-
Nr cliPtriets. As the Bill at present stool a
hPii rarnall would first have to act de part of a
444 and vagabond before he was entitled to a .et-
-1,14414' Re called upon the Government to declare
I''43 'their intention on this head.-(Hear,
ie) Surely that House was as able as any other
lett! to declare, either in writing or in sp,ech,
of th..was their intention. The judges oft( n complain( d
were, hr
of Acts of Parliament, and he thought
were, 1:?' had very great reason for so doing.-
that wasear.) Let them in this case speak plainly
)(tech _ their intention, and remove the difficulties
k. rright hereafter arise in the carrying out of this
‘tt th.it appeared from the answer of the Government
I,is 0 IS Bill was not to be in accordance with
4%1 it big which he proposed,' he should certainly
bid uts duty to oppose the Bill, for he should then
the: it to be a great injury. instead of a boon,
tte
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re People of this country - (Hear, hear)-
heli he quitted the place in which he had been five
,t. 11Y fbr a short time, he had no power of return-
itllttfeett .4t was the main question as affecting himself,,
at,eta• his comforts, and as affecting his interest.
„4ey I,as the difference between the new system, which
‘ty he.re setting up, and the old system, with which
the
oleo the
been so long acquainted. He did assume
,tkleorntri_te poor man it would be more satisfactory
'",po-urtable to have relief in the form in which he
`heat 'cssed it, when if he should have been absent for
%le to order to seek employment elsewhere, he
Net 3till . come' back to the same place, whereas,
It the -
~ ntt, hew system, when he once left, he left for
koit TheY did
th ~ not say whether a day, or a week, or a
nth:Ballbe the term of absence. It was right
‘ the Itan should have the option of remaining
Ilti e` Place I eliei ace which during five years he had
dee' with his labour, or of going to the
L Irn
~-. tb -n1 'which he 'originally went. He hoped
poilaT'ete matters would be taken into the
„nal* etusideration of the Government, and that the
kelteelli, gltt would be prepared with a measure early in
Letteem• session, to be submitted to the Select Com-
;7. /i",.net alight be appointed to inquire into the mat-
h‘tsta "4!t Government would zealously and honestly
t.__"oss,2?,the subject, they would find that there would be
.75ep-'4„ 'al difference of opinion on it when it came
Zttoe 't°,llsderation ; and he hoped that in any propo•
'Acae"eY might offer they would be prepared to
~„eertain portions of the new Poor-law, and
t. It. Y that part relating to the Commissioners.
Dltelgteht_.
aHon.. Gentle , the Home Secretary ought
'tch gieg:ssiscltmaninciestorartimona
far theor' thosef ' theai dsl ah
we
intomig his own hands,
ht think neces-
hoe purpose. When the order of the day was
"3re them he weuld propose the clause, of which
?e .given notice, which, so tar from contravening the
4 the Bill, was calculated ,to carry out its in-
,
.boy
kFO GREY said, as they were merely on
non for reading the order of the day, they would
him if he did not enter at present into the
40'74 referred to by the Hon. Member. He begged,
t ete,
It ,to assure him and the House, that the points
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ve referrednm er tow 0
tilw odubl de
pmreeeptartehde
tpatient e andthe
courseat t en -
tansideration of the Government, and that they
lose no time in entering upon the question.
„a the Select Committee was appointed next session,
intended to pursue, and would lay before the
,;'tee' an outlive of the measures they deemed ne-
:,111.11VIE thought the speech of the Bight Hem
t.
shovved sutlicient reason why this. Bill should
aqahead a taiird time at all.- (Hear, hear.) He
line undeestand upon what grounds the Bight Hon.
silk:„,„ 'iressed it forward, except that he had read a
kti
"Atri an Hon. Gentleman opposite, requesting him
}7itti, , I,_ with it, at once. The question was of too
Z, to importance to be taken piece-meal. It ought
Title rilsidered as a whole. Look at the papers on the
Lttt the tihte House, and Honourable Members would see
kNeel °use of Commons had become the executive
tioe. vetit fer carrying out the poor-law which, in his
0/.04" contrary to every thing that ought to be.-
C44C44 of 4r.) There was no other mode of marking his
llthe proceeding except by a division, and he
Nt 44' therefore, erefore, move that the Bill be read a third time
tilil:t f, Si months.-(Hear, hear.)
tik tafa;‘‘ICHOPE perfectly concurred in all that hail
141,, 1a,,1 the Hon. Member for Montrose. Hitherto
ilstlkert4 settlement and removal had been connected
liZt.l. ~; 4111,(1 this was the first time in the histsry of the
b 4,4 tnat it had been proposed to disunite it.
etlNPight re e in •
'd thr -at the measure, passeu its present state,
V rote every parish in the country into confusion.
eptie, mended that the law of rating and of settle-
. el`tatqllti both be considered together, and all referred
A 1,43,0
i. VVlii IL
04,, LIAMS concurred with the Hon. Member
Teekeeptt', and hoped the Secretary of State would
teitt;.P.oer•l'ae legacy left him by the late Government.
NB 0 awe as administered at present, entailed great
Zeriy,rn the poor, and unnecessary expense on the
10,( till .11 81 He urged the postponement of the mea-
. Ileat session.
Tit Ikeer in thought the present measure would put
`l4,:efeeet-
04fwerse condition than they were at present.
IN te sac it would be, that the farmers would dis-
ke„„ b,lf servants, lest they should acquire a claim of
likt b„4 'll,t3a He expected great benefit from settle-
k: tw .1 unzons for emigration, for he thought that one
te,°llaions might combine and fit out ships to carry
Aitki'Lßrants to the colonies.
~,s01)00NER thought the Hon. Member had given
lat'°llgest reason possible for passing the measure te-
Ne, Ile said that expectations had been excited, and
,"t'4„ tletitly it was of great importance to pass the
'k7t'-' immediately. He conceived that, after the dis-
ail
L to which had Wien place, great injury would be
VNI InanY parts of the country if this measure was
V„sed• In fa',t, the reasons and arguments urged
Nt t '°n• Get-Wienan who had just sat dowa, showed
uereessitY e' the House immediately adopting this
''are ebs' BeF:ides, this Bill did not interfere with any
110,:rePt.s'ares on the subject of providing relief for
i. le e!1 and which they might reasonably expect
t.
kik fiend
forward during the next session. His
of had said that this was not a measure of
' !le t the agriculturists, but he (Mr. Spooner) con-
'that it was most clearly a relief to the agricul-
k
l 4 4--(ilear, hear.) But the House of Commons
4 11et to consider that question in the discussion of
4, it; it ought to be considered on its own merits.
It se°flight to consider simply whether it was a measure
L), good or evil. This measure in itself he be-
t'," to,s very good, but it was a reat hardship to a
e7e 0, De removed from a town whore he had been
Ore, "D'IP to a county which he had long since forgotten,
ti,N' from his habits, he was totally unfitted for 'a-
t', tpr 4-te thought that a poor man should have the op-
-7 ' of haying ite the town where he had spent the best
tk
"Tios strength, or being removed to the place of his
la '''` the trade failed in a manufacturing town all
14t,, Jorb
\,-,,,. -ouses would be filled, if a man had not that op-
rietk:" the Bill stood they could not give him that
' salteuelle would not argue-that question at any length
044.4, because that was not the question which was
•o)li?'hunder the consideration of the House. How-
. ittitte 40;.`e Proposal of the Hon. Member for Dorchester
Ite",eaßrced to he (Mr. Spooner) should feel it his
p, iv.°ve a clause of a similar nature.
settee OCITHERTON said the Hon. Member for
i'Cvretaehaci stated that they never found the law of
,01/41in IA separated from the law of removal, but
10 trill. Gentleman must be aware that, with regard to
' "' 46(1 Scotch, the law of settlement had been
steed from that of removal. He (Mr. Brotherton)
tteljeti that this was a measure of humanity, and he
11) eif‘t, think that it would inflict those grievances upon
tretherent parishes which many supposed. He found
Iteerrits which he had seen, that the cost of the re-
ettae °f a poor family by a union was 5/., and if the
N, a Would look at the returns made to the House,
'll4l, h would find that the great bulk of the removals were
1,11 and Scotch, and not English. Very few were Eng-
/ "tad h believed that if this Bill were passed, they
asio e
,Ilk,' ~" 'find that there would be a greater disposition to
Ir]) oyessons in the places where they were gene-
lellem-P He believed also. that they would not
t105,k.,.., much of that cruelty which had been hitherto
Nr"ed towards the poorer classes. Although this
:ha 'l,_
_id not go to the extent which he
.should
Nc,p for one would not throw any obstacle in the
17, ti ,1 ite passing,-(Hear, hear.) Ile hoped that by
Ztl4;ll,R, he would afford the Government an opportu-
NLtecertaining from experience what permanent
llN'7,.,,_thould be introduced on this subject.-(Hear,
' la katte, therefore, considered that this Bill might
h`ttecra with safety, without being necessarily con-
04'd o Ivl,_th the other branches of the poor-law question,
'tellroteese grounds he should give his vote for the
lis,r. lit
fad a si.IGIIT said he was wishful to state, after what
kt tee , •
441,4 said, for the information of the House, one
for Jok,Zpect to the manufactures ich he thought
,Tv‘h'he Hon. Member
1), Qalrtvearing on the question:.
' • 0h74 ill 0 4 proposed that this Bill should be allowed to
latirtertlar to afford the Government and the House an
a:44 eVer,,ntY of gaining some experience on the subject.
ith,l no% ' °lle must know that the demand for labour
ttie'etiltv4l,',o great, both in the manufacturing and
tkr, Rrearni districts, owing in a great meAsudre
theto
ts-eetioe '' Principles which had recently receive
11,,' is 1, J3r the House, that it could scarcely be met,
ab,t,_tie' ;;(14 plain that between this time and the.
'ty'gd. s-:',4 of Parliament the applications for relief
atttba'"?elew that the desired experience would be
1,11,-.-.--zikcie Government and the Members of that
, talPesra`slia.he took it for granted that the trade and
• el: at
,3: of the succeeding years would be even greater
eon's tiirwresent, and he believed that if for the present
tck ~tcl4, era rejected it would not create the slightest
pkt,`;‘t iffeele.s to suffering humanity. With respect
the
lt6"h 14 which Promoting litigation, he could speak of
tiz the
else's
he lived. For the purpose of ascertain-
-11- r'„,ae?a of settlement of the poor in that town,
„, ea tse a-layers were subjected to much ex-
: h 'oul. ofnci trouble.-(Hear, hear.) He spoke in
' t}°/„*es- al this measure' when it was first introduced, aria
fife Poo, Tin favour of it now. He- had no wish that
t 4 • "Ould be removed from the manufacturing to
110 t Petlitural districts • but he thought that it would
• ktteee light
) r.,essaaii t, declared to be so ill-considered that it must
a '414 ir,Y iuye altered in the next session of Parliament.
,ii cto_tise i:to...}3,I7ARRIS would support this measure,. be-
bena eat ',eyed that it would tend in a material degree
poorer classes during the succeeding six
%. t7llths, ~the
e_ aa,,,,, .--Le thought that many removals in the time
tqt 'r were '
-, ow. e attended with' severe hardships to
• 40 Gestaialy had •alway uaderatood
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