The Sun.
London, England, 1848-08-08 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

Mr. HUME, before the Right Hon. Gentleman left
the chair, wished to know what estimates were to be
taken to-night? He understood that the votes for the
navy were to come on on Wednesday next. He con-
sidered that these estimates ought not to be voted until
the report of the Committee and the evidence upon
which that report was founded should be in the hands
of Hon. Members.
Lord J. RUSSELL did not think that the Hon.
Gentleman had adduced any sufficient reason to induce
the House to depart from the usual course. The
evidence was not yet printed. That evidence was very
volumnious, and some time must elapse before it could
be in the hands of Members. Ho thought the better
course would be to take §QUIe of the (+lima', to-Right,

and on Wednesday his Righ Hon. Friend would state
what vfds the view 'which the, Government took of the
report. 'The report was most ably drawn up and went
fully into the question, and on Wednes(l.:y the Govern
ment would state their views of the subject; but as those-
estimates had been before the House since February
he hoped that they might be permitted to take some of
the votes to-night.

Mr. COBDEN supported the,appeal of the Honourable
Member for Montrose on this subject. He had himself
sat on that Committee for four months ; and he thought
it was important that the Members of the House should
s-e the result of their labours, more especially seeing
that a Gallant Admiral opposite, the only Member of
the House present at the proceedings of that Committee
who was not at the same time a member of the Com-
mittee itself, had thought proper to accuse the members
of the Committee of incompetency, want of judgment,
and partiality. He should, therefore, wish Hon. Mem-
bers to see the evidence taken before the Committee,
more particularly the evidence of the Hoe. and Gallant
Admiral himself, before they voted the navy estimates.
There was something absurd, after having waited from
February until August in order to obtain evidence as to
the necessity of these estimates, in proceeding now to
vote them without that evidence being in the hands of
Members. Indeed, the country would be justified in
suspecting some mystery or evasion, if they were now
to proceed to vote away money without having read
the evidence. It would not take a vast deal of time
to master the contents of the volume ; for, of course,
each Hon. Member would dissect and apply himself to
that portion in which he felt most interest( d. lie
would put it to the Noble Lord whether it would be right
to proceed without this evidence? It was now ten
minutes to twelve o'clock, and the lateness of the hour
was sufficient to justify him in asking for the postpone-
ment of the estimates to-night.
Mr. CORRY could not see why they should not pro-
ceed to discuss the estimates without waiting for the
report, the recommendations of which were almost all
prospective. The estimates on the table would not be
affected by it ; but next year, when the report and
evidence would be in the hands of Hon. Members, the
House and the Government could discuss the subject in
ex:ens°.
Mr. F. MAULE said that, in addition to the evidence,,,
there were several important documents which ought to
be in the hands of Members before they could understand
the report—the full and ample report—which had been
drawn up by his Noble Friend.
Dr. 110 WRING wished to know whether the evidence
had not been printed for the use of the Committee ? If
so it was already in type, and it became a mere question
of distribution.
Mr. HUME said it was now twelve o'clock, and there-
fore they could not go into .Committee of Supply to-
night, but he should certainly object to voting the in-
crease of 15,000 men whicle had taken place in the navy
during the last three years, until the evidence had been
adduced to show on what grounds that increase had taken
place, and he thought he should be able to convince the
country that the whole increase had arisen from ground-
less alarm.
Lord J. RUSSELL would not persist in moving for
the Committee of Supply, as the Hon. Member for
Montrose and the Hon. Member for the West Riding
objected to it. On Wednesday, when they went into
Committee of Supply, his Hon. Friend would state his
views on the report of the Committee.
Mr. ICU ME—The day after to• morrow.
Lord J. RUSSELL—Yes; at five o'clock.

The motion was then withdrawn.
The Criminal Law Amendment Bill was read a second
time.
The Register of Sasices (Scotland) Bill was read a
second time.
SUPPLY—REPORT.
The Report of the Committee
,of
.Supply was then
brought up.
The report on the Turnpike Roads (Ireland) Bill was
brought up and received.
The Canada Government Bill passed through Com-
mittee.
The Money Order Department (Post-office) Bill was
read a second time.
The Fisheries (Ireland) Bill passed through Com-
mittee.
The Proclamations on Fines (Court of Common Pleas)
Bill went through Committee.
The Churches' Bill was committed, and ordered to be
reported.
Sir G. GREY stated, in reply to a question from Mr.
Hume, that it was merely a Bill to continue the Act for
Building Churches.
On the motion of Mr. FOSTER, returns of the num-
ber of Bills submitted to the Central Criminal Court and
the Middlesex sessions in 1845, 1846, and 1847, were
ordered.
Mr. HUME moved for returns connected with the
course of instruction at the several military and naval
schools of the kingdom ; together with lists of books,
libraries, and accommodation generally afforded for the
instruction of soldiers, and an account of the arrange.
ments made for the practice of officers and men in the
scientific branches of the military profession.
Mr. F. MAULE said as the whole question was to be
inquired into during the next session, he trusted the mo-
tion would not be persevered in.
Mr. HUME, upon that understanding, consented to
withdraw the motion.
Mr. SPOONER obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
amend the laws relating to the removal of the poor,
which was read a first time. _

. _
Lord MORPETH brought in a Bill to amend the
Commons Enclosure Act, which was read a first time.
The SOLICITOR•GENERAL obtained leave to
bring in a Bill for abolishing certain offices in the Petty
Bag in the High Court of Cnancery•, and for regulatteg
the practice of the common law part of that Court, which
was read a first time.

Th. House then adjourned at a Quarter to One
o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.)

MONDAY, AUG. 7.
PUBLIC HEALTH BILL.

Order for Consideration of Lords' Amendments read ;
Amendments to be considered in a Committee of the whole
House; considered in Committee:—(ln the Committee.)
Clause 37, page 23, printed Bill, Amendment proposed by
the Lords to insert the words " subject nevertheless, in the
case of the Surveyor and Inspector of Nuisances, to the ap-
proval of the General Board of Health :"—Amendment
amended, by inserting alter the word "case," the words "of
the removal,".and leaving out the words " and Inspector of
Nuisances."—Motion made and Question put, " That the
Amendment, as amended, be agreed to." The Committee
divided:—

MAJORITY-AYES, 55.
Abdy, T. N. Henry, Alexander Robinson, G. R.
Adair, R. Shafto Heywood, James Russell. Lord John
Armstrong Sir A. Ilobhouse, T. B. Russell, F. C.
Barnard, E. G. Hood, Sir .3 lexander Sandars, George
Bellew, K. M. Hume, J. Seyiner, H. K.
Blackall, S. W. Jervis, Sir John Shell, R. L.
Boyle, Colonel Mackinnon, W.•,A. Smith, J. 13.
Brotherton, J. 31aule, 'ox Somerville, Sir W.
Brown, W. Mitchell, A. T. Thornely, Thomas
Campbell, W. F. Moffatt, George Townshend. Captain
Dundas, . Admiral 31onsell, William Vane, Lord 11.
Dunne, F. I'. Morpeth, Viscount Villiers, Charles
Elliot, John E. 31orison, Sir W. Wilson, James
Ferguson, Sir R. O'Connell, M. J. Wood, Sir Charles
Forster, Matthew Paget, Lord A. Wood, W. P.
Fox, W. J. Parker, John
French, F. Perfect, Robert
Gibson, T. M. Pete, S amuel TELLERS.
Grey, Sir George Pinney, W. Hill, Lord Marcus
Hamilton, G.A. Price, Sir Hobert Ebrington, Viscount