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The motion having been seconded, and the order read,

Mr. EsTcounT contended that the Committee of Selec-
tion had been properly constituted, and that their acts had
been perfectly regular. The standing orders of the House
oxisted during the Parliament, and not for a session, unless
they were repealed.
Mr. WARBURTON contended that the Committee of Selec-
tion had not been properly appointed, and that, therefore, its
acts were nugator:-.

Sir. G. GREY contended that Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN had
been committeA for not obeying an order of the House, and
out for refusing compliance with the orders of the Committee
of Selection.

Mr. STRCTT opposed the motion.
Mr. O'CONNELL shortly replied, and stated that whatever
'night be the fate of this question, be should move that Mr
Smut' O'Bitte.N be t-iischarged.
Mr. WAKLEY denied that there were any precedents
for the course that had been adopted. It was plain
that a mistake had been committed, and under
such circumstances he thought it would be best
tur the llou4ve to tell Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN that he bad act
acted very wisely, that there had teen mistakes on
both sides, but that all parties were willing to shake hands,
make up the matter, and let Mr. SJIITII O'BRIEN go free.
(I.BET SITTLXG.)

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
110 USE OF COMMONS, May 20.
BINGLEY POOR-HOUSE.
Sir R. PEEL—The Hon. Member said that the Secretary
of State should institute an inquiry on the allegation of the
Poor-law Commissioners, and that the question itself equally de-•
oaanded an investigation. On that observation a Select Committee
was appointed, to which Committee was referred the report of
Sir John Walsham with respect to that union. The Com-
mittee having made a full inquiry, presented a report,
which was to the following effect : "No attempt
has been made to impugn the general accuracy
with one or two trifling exceptions, of any details of Sir John
Walsham's report. The accuracy of Sir John Wal-
sham's report is fully borne out by evidence."—( Hear, hear.)
That was the report n ade by the Committee. The jus-
tice of that result was questioned, and another proceeding, call-
ing in question the accuracy of Sir John Walsham's report to
the Commissioners, was proposed, but the report stating that
Sir J. Walsham's allegations were justified by the evidence,
was affirmed by several Members of the House of Commons,
amongst whom were Mr. Childers, Mr. ?akington, Sir C.
Napier, Sir J. Trollope, and others. There were three Mem-
bers of that Committee who proposed a report of a different
tendency, and amongst them was the Hon. Member himself.
That report was laid on the table of the House, affirming the
general accuracy of Sir J. Walsham, and three years ago, in the
suseseding sessions—or it was now nearly three years and a half
ago—the Hon. Gentleman referred to that report, and
asked him ( Sir R. Peel) if he was prepared to retract certain
unfounded charges? He said that he was not—that he had
made no charges which were unfounded, but had merely relied
on Sir J. Walsham's report. If he had made any statement of
an obnoxious character, or under any mistake, he should have
great pleasure in correcting it, and he would say so now, not-
withstanding the lapse of time which had occurred, if he felt
that he had done any injustice to the guardians or ratepayers of
the union. But seeing the report of the Committee, with
respect to the truth of Sir J. Walsham's allegations, and hear-
ing the speech of the ta-'allant Commodore, he did not feel that
he had said one unjust word with respect to the guardians and
ratepayers of the union, and he was not prepared to retract
what he had said four years since, in June, 1842.
Mr. FERRAND said that the Right Hon. Baronet had
of the
charged him and the ratepayers with being dr&
state of the poor-house. it was the Poor-law Commissioners
viemaZiebssair
the
who sent these people into the poor-house,
say that, under the
control and management of it.
old law, the average of persons Hein ctivatt..lVer-hwoeurseecwraaLmnel()l'
twelve, but, under the existing law, y
into it.
°ibtig:
ri
on. Member
was the chairman of the boar
refer to what took place fourdyears
ee
sr
ee was
persons n r
Sir R. PEEL said that it wasof agmusaiodrscdteiainnsc,olnahvieiednaiiienadt c,4l,euerlsineetdo
)allTthh
to give effecbtotaordthoef
guardians
—(Lau
twi°o7kohneutshee, becauso they had the power of administering out-
door relief. Were not representations made to the Commis-
sioners that it was troublesome that the ratepayer should be
ta,ed to build a better union to give more suitable accommo-
datl.r 11°n..CRAVEN RERKELY wished to ask the Hon Member
for Athlone whether the accusation he made a tem 'evenings
ago against Sir Charles Taylor be true, for if so the Secretary
of State ought not to permit him to continue any
the commission of the peace.maldf it was not true, he colonr:lgdeerrcidn
eAalesmeabterinwhtho
thatthe
to have
made such a statement was un-
worthyat Ho
to know what further steps the GentlemanHons.e.liew isl ehda,d therefore,t s
kenin
reference to the subject.
Mr. S. COLLETT said that he had taken no further steps in the matter. That he had taken
measures for orthe purpose
of lodging in the hands of the Secretary for the Home Depar-
ment copies of the affidavits made before the clerk of the
peace ; and he begged to state that he was desirous to have
the fullest inve. tigation into all the circumstances.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said he would avail himself of
that, the first opportunity of stating to the House what the
documents were that were sent to him on Tuesday last. He
had considered the documents, and he had found them to be
extra judicial. If false, therefore, no indictment for Perjury
could be be tried upon them and though they were clearly
det ous, no civil action could be instituted upon ;hem. If the
documents were ial-e no remedy could be obtained against the ,
parties who—to use the expression of the Hon. Gentleman—
had got up the affidavits, or the parties who had sworn them.
On the other Land, if they were true, it could not for a mo-
ment be dinbtott ;hut iI v 1.411401 infv,rmatin might ‘,t, Otaint4

against Sir Charles Taylor in the Court of Queen's Bench, and
that was the fit tribunal before which inquiry shouted be con-
ducted. It was not necessary for the Hon. Gentleman to be
pru•ecuted, as he suggested himself, but he himself might, if
he had confidence in these affidavits, prosecute Sir Charles
Taylor.
Mr. COLLETT said he was ready to have the affidavits
drawn up in any form the Right Hon. Baronet pleased.
IBRAHIM PACHA.

In answer to a question from Mr. M. Aisles,
Sir ROBERT PEEL said, that immediately her Majesty's
Government was informed that it was likely that Ibrahana
Pacha would visit this country, a direct assurance was given to
that distinguished Prince, that, if he did visit this country,
her Majesty's Government would treat him with all due re-
spect.
Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR wished to know from a
Member of the Government, whether that very enormous
statue of the Duke of Wellington was to be placed upon the
top of the archway on Constitution-hill? He considered that
it would disfigure the town very much, and it had been dis-
covered it whs much too large for the arch, and that it was net
strong enough to bear it.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said that the state of facts as to
whether the equestrian statue of the Duke of Wellington
should be placed upon the arch, he believed to be simply this.
Before the subscribers to this very magnificent compliment
had made their subscriptions, a communication was made to
his late Majesty whether, in the event of the subscriptions
being paid, he would have any objection to having the statue
placed upon the arch. A similar intimation was made to her
present Majesty, and both he and the Noble Lord (John
Russell), then at the head of the Government, gave a similar
answer. The statue was consequently built upon a distinct
understanding that it was to be so placed. Ile thought, him-
self, that a better site might have been provided.--( Hear.)
A great difference of opinion had originally existed as to the
proper place for the erection of the statue, and he had pro-
posed that a site between the Athenaeum and the United
Service Clubs, or near the Horse Guards, should be allotted
by the Government for its erection, but it had at last been
decided that it should be placed upon the arch at Constitution-
hill. The great body of the subscribers had subscribed to the
statute under the impression that it should be placed on that
arch ; and as permission had been given by her Majesty's pre-
decessor and her Majesty for the erection of the statue there,
the subscribers had acquired a right to have the statue Greeted
on the arch. He certainly would not advise her Majesty to
withdraw the consent that had been given.
Mr. BAILEY suggested that the statue should, at all events,
be placed in a proper position on the arch.
Sir WALTER JAMES made some observations with re-
spect to the placing of the statue, and stated that it was the
wish of her Majesty that it should be placed over the arch
befure Buckingham Palace-

-
ECCLESTAS I'ICAL COMMISSIONERS.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM did not wish to nrolong the dis-
cus:ion; but, seeing the Hon. Member for prolong the dis
cusion; but, seeuig the Hon. Member for Maldon in the
House, he wished to explain. On behalf of the Ecclesiastical
Commissioners, he was instructed to express their regret that
their solicitor, or or any other officer, should have in,any way
transgressed the rules of the House. He hoped that this ex-
planation would be deemed satisfactory.
Mr. E. DENISON would hare wished for a more detailed
explanation. The solicitor had not acted in a manner that Wass
consistent with the rules of the House.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL made a few observations,
when he was interrupted by loud cries of " Order, order," sod
sat down.

Mr. HUME moved that the papers on which the present
discussion was founded be put in.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL resumed, and said he was
much obliged to the Hon. Gentleman for giving him an op-
portunity of explanation. He defended 11r. Murray, the
solicitor, from the charges that had been brought against hies-
Mr. Murray was relieved from all responsibility and liability'
with respect to the alteration in the contract of the South-
Eastern Railway Company, for having signed the new deed es
a trustee for other parties. He was a man of the highest
honour and integrity.
Mr. DENISON said it could hardly be necessary for 'sign
to enter into any explanation when a gentieman who was mis-
informed on the subject had tl.ougbt proper to intrude his
opinions. He thought that the opinion of the Attorney-
General would be more than overbalanced by the confirmed
decision of four Members of that House, who were of opinion
that the opposition in the case of the South-Eastern Cowl:101Y
was ill advised. He bad had an interview with the Ecclesiae°
tical Commissioners some time back, in which the report was
directed to be read for his special instruction, in which the
solicitor omitted a word on which the whole sense of the
sentence hinged. Was that conduct consistent with the
character of a high-minded man? He would ask the House
whether he was not justified on a former occasion in anima&•
♦erting in the manner he had on the conduct of Mr. Murray.
Mr. HUME would withdraw the motion which he had
made.

Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN.
The SPEAKER called the attention of the House to the
following communication, which he had received from Mr.
William Smith O'Brien :

"Prison, House of Commons, May 21, 1846.
" Sir,—l take the liberty to call your attention to the follow-
ing correspondence between the Clerk of the House of Com-
mons and myself

" Prison, House of Commons, May 20, 1846.
" Dear Sir,—l beg to call your attention to standing ordef►
No. 4, page 13, and shall feel obliged if you will intorm
where I can find the appointment of a Committee of Selection
pursuant to that order, as I lave in vain searched for it in the
votes of the Commons.

" It being my intention to cause the attention of the House
of Commons to be directed to this correspondence to-morrow,
may I request that you will send me an immediate and official
reply.
" I have the honour to be your obedient faithful servant,
" WILLIAM S. O'BRIEN."
" To John Henry Ley, Esq., Clerk of the House
of Commons."
" To this note I received the following answer
ay ,
" Dear Sir,-- In answer to your note, delivMered2o to me e 8 .by
Mr. Mahony, I consider it will be sufficient for me to say that
the Committee of Selection is appointed, and named by the
Standing Order No. 4, and that it was not considered necos•
sary at the beginning of the session to read that order, as has
sometimes been done, and for the House to make an order
that the Committee of Selection be appointed accordingly.
You will, therefore, not find any entry in the votes.
" Your obedient faithful servant,

" JOHN HENRY LEY.
" Mr. Ley's letter confirms my conviction that the Committee
of Selection was not appointed for the present session, in due
conformity to Standing Order No. 4, which is worded as
follows:

" That a Committee be appointed, at the commencement of
every session, consisting of the chairmen of the Select Cow'
mittee of Standing Orders, and of the chairman of the Sub'
Committees on Petitions for Private Bills, of whom three shall
be a quorum ; and such Committee shall be denominated th.
Committee of Selection.'

" It is manifest from Mr. Ley's letter that there is no el'
dente in the authentic records of the House of Commons that
Mr. Escourt, and the other gentlemen who have acted as a
Committee of Selection,' have received due authority from the
House to act in that capacity during the present session•
Under these circumstances, all the proceedings which have lea
to my imprisonment have been void and informal, ab initio•
I, therefore, respectfully claim my immediate discharge.
" I cannot couclube this letter without recording my soleMa
protest against the conduct of the House of Commons ill
having subjected me to imprisonment. Even if the Committee
of Selection had been duly nominated, I should still deny that
I have violated any law of the land, and should, therefore, re-
gard my imprisonment as contrary to the law and constitution
of these realms.

" As Ido not desire to throw upon you the responsibility of
expressing any opinion upon this case, except under the sanction
of the House of Commons, I do not expect an answer to this
letter, but respectfully request that you will do me the favour
to lay it before the House of Commons to-day at five o'clock,
and to invite the opinion of the House upon it.
" I have the honour to be,
" Your obedient faithful servant,
" WILLIAM S. O'BRIEN.':
" To the Right Hon. the Speaker."
Mr. O'CONNELL moved, that this letter be printed and
circulated with the votes, with the view of being taken let°
consideration tomorrow.—( Hear, hear.)
NEW ZEALAND.
Mr. CHARLES BULLER said, in the present state (:)
public business, he was afraid the resolutions of which be
had given notice, relative to the state of New Zealand, could
not receive that fair and patient consideration which the)"
were entitled to, and he should, therefore, with the permissive
of the House, withdraw them for tie present, reserving to
himself, however' the right of bringing them forward at a
future period.—(Hear, hear.) He should be glad, however,
if gentlemen in the meantime would give the House an assur-
ance that the present session should not be suffered to page
over without some Bills or measures being introduced on the
subject.— ( Hear, hear.)
Sir ROBERT PEEL said the only assurance he could
give the Hon. Member was, that when he thought proper ~,
bring forward his motion again Ministers would do their best
to give full effect to, and ample opportunity for, the discussioe
of this subject. The House must bear in mind all that passed
in the course of the last session, and the opinions and views
that were expressed upon that occasion. Government had
done their best to carry out those views and opinions, and
.had_
appointed a gentleman to the government or the colony who
had previously distinguished himself in administering
a bgovernment of a colony. From the letters which
that at the time
re-
cently been received from him it would appearhehad only reached the
they were dispatched to this country
colony a few weeks before, but they
the
tcontained sufficient infor-
mation, been entirely confirmed-
opinion Government
mation, nevertheless, to show that
Yafrom the colony, there 'were
Frirat_ subsequent communication
_ha(dHeenatre,rtaihneeadr. of his abiltit
which had been receive
northern Island
would of subordination, and until they
would be reduced to a s
Governor
heard further from thethe thought it would not be
strong reasons for believing that ere lcng the
prudent for Government o introduce any measure upon the
After a few words from Mr. HUME, the resolution 105
postponed till a future day.
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HEAL PROPERTY
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COMMISSION.
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wash-
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counted. move so
tventy-seven Members present, the --
was adjourned till to-tuorrow. -

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MD.
On the lith ult., in the CathARRIE
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11. Lefroy, Esq., Captain In the Royal Artillery, to Emily Mar
eldest daughter of the Icon. J. B. Robinson, Chief Justice ct "4'
Canada.
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late Captain in her Mineity's 60th Royal Rifles, to I.°
daughter of the late David Verner, Esq.