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PORTATION BILL.

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Lord POLLINGTON said he rose on the the preset's" oc
casion to express his opinion in opposition to the measure of
her Majesty's Government. He had given them, during the
last five sears an earnest and truthful, but not a blind sup-
port, as witness his vote on the occasion of the Maynooth
grant. The last vote that he had given in favour of her Ma-
jesty's Government was on the occasie.n ashen the Hon. Mem-
ber for Hull (Mr. Hutt) proposed to admit corn from the
colonies at a nominal duty To that question, in as far as it
related to the present measure, he would address himself. He
had never belonged to a protection society, nor attended a pi o.
tection meeting ; and the reason of that was, that lie did not
agree in all things with the principles or policy of these who
constituted such societies. In last session of i arliament the
Noble Lord the Member for the city of London proposed a
series of resolutions, one of which was on the subject of the
corn-laws, that he ( Lord Pollington) opposed at the time;
and he would still tell that Noble Lord, that if he called for a
total and immediate repeal of the corn-laws, he would not
place himself under his guidance. They had heard a great
deal about compensation to the landed interest; and, in an-
other place, a Noble Duke had given the assent to the expe-
riment of a repeal of the corn-laps on account of the corripen-
'anion afforded. But he (Lwd Pollington) said, that if they
removed ad restrictions on toreien gran, they should, at the
same time, remove all burdens that prettied upon the landed
interest. This they were bound to do. It the farmers wen;
to great expense in acquiring cheureal skill arid scientific ap..
pliances, and had to give a good education to their sons, it was
but right that they should be placed in a pesition to meet them.
Rather than repeal the corn-laws, and give the farmers com-
pensation for doing so, they ought to promote ae much as
po,sitile the colonies, so as to malse them integral parts of the
Britia!a empire; and then, when they could not produce suffi-
cient supplies of food for their increasing population at honor,
they would have the colonies to fall back upon.— ( Hear, )
By considering those et untries as integral Portions of this
empire, this Government admitted that they were bound to
take their produce. He denied that this node of dealing
would have the effect of creating any feelings of jealousy.
With regard to Russia, his opinion was that that country
would follow the example of this by dealing with their import
duties in the same way as this country had d:alt with the
duty on French brandy. There was another reason why he
was opposed to the present measure, which was this—he pre-
ferred relying •n his own country to any other for a full sup-
ply of agricultural produce.—( Hear, hear.) He had taken
his course, and no roan on earth should snake him swerve
from it,—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. PLUM PIRE (after a few words which were lost
in the confusion occasioned by Hon. Members leaving the
House) said, he believed the measure to be rash and un-
just. Hon. Members had changed their opinions, and the
reasons they had given were not sufficient. The Right Hon,
Baronet had said, that because he had changed his opinion,
he felt himself at liberty to consider all the speeches which he
had made when holding different opinions as disposed of. It
might be very easy to dispose of declarations, hut it was not
quite so easy to dispose of facts. In the county in which he
resided, and which he had the honour to represent, it was in-
variably found that low prices produced low wages, and that,
in fact, according to circumstances, and the range which
corn took, there was neither more nor less actually than a
sliding.scale. At the time when corn was low labourers'
wages had been about 10s. a week, when it became very
depressed indeed in price wages sunk to 7s. a week, but
when the price of wheat rose the wages of the labourer rose
to as much at 13s. 6d. a week. These, he thought, as they
were facts, were unanswerable arguments in opposition to the
Right Hon. Baronet's measure. If he looked around, he felt
compelled to say, that he could not find one public man, who
bad been connected with the Government for the last three
years, in whom he could place the smallest confidence. The
Right Hon. Baronet had assured the House that the year
1840 had been a year of great trouble and deep anxiety to
him, owing to the Chartists having established themselves in
large bodies, and occasioning great disturbance. He (Mr.
Plumptre) entertained no doubt, that it was a year of great
anxiety and trouble, but those days had gone by. Yes, those
days had passed, but he would ask, was not the course which
was now being pursued one of the most likely means to bring
about a repetition of the scenes of violence which had char-
acterised those times ? The failure of the potato crop was put
forth as the ostensible cause of a repeal of the corn-laws,
but he must say that it appeared to him to be a very insufficient
cause. The present movement seemed to have been brought
about almost entirely by the agitation of that unconstitutional
body the Anti Corn-law League, and he would ask when that
body had accomplished their purposes, was not the country ex-
posed to having other leagues formed, and thrust upon it,
which would not be satisfied entirely until their requirements,
however extravagant, should be satisfied. Perhaps, before very
long, it will be found expedient to coincide with the opinions
of the Chartists, with respect to: the extension of the suffrage,
and by thus going forward in the dark, in consequence of such
miserable expediency, the golden reign of a wise and prudent
limited monarchy might be translated into the wild and ruthless
rule of an iron democracy. Ile thought, most sincerely, upon
his best judgment and conscience, that he should be promoticg
an injury to the country if he did not oppose the present
measure, and. therefore, under these circumstances he should
Mo‘t strenuously oppose it.
Mr. HAWES said that the Hon. Member who had just
sat down had been pleased to characterise the present measure
as a dangerous measure, and that t üblie opinion was not
thoroughly enlisted in its favour. he would refer the Hon.
Gentleman to the numerous petitions presented to that House
from London, Marchester, Liverpool, and other large manu-
facturing districts, all of which prayed that the proposed
measure might b. e passed without any unnecessary delay, on
the ground that it would promote the general prosperity of the
country.—( Hear, hear.) He must take the liberty to
say that there never had been a great question can-
va,sed in that House the opponents of which had met
with so little sympathy from all sides as those who had
uodertaken to obstruct the progress of the present measure.
He was not aware that any sympathy had been shown in the
opposition to the silk question; and, then, with respect to
imber, were there any petitions presented from persons deal-
ing in that article in opposition to her Majesty's Ministers?
H 3 (Mr. Hawes) reinitiated a yery large acentituenq

nected with various trades, and he had not received a single •
remonstrance, nor a single representation to induce him to say
cue word in opposition to the cour,e proposed by the Gocern-
ment. On the contrary, all that lie had heard had tended to
confirm his previously conceived opinion, that the measure
taken as a whole was well cale.ulated to promote the best interests
of the country. He felt glad that none of that acrimony
of feeling which had characterised the previous debate on the
subject had been shown on the present occasion, and he did
hope that the Hon. Gentlemen opposite would give her Ma-
jesty's Ministers some intelligible arguments to deal with and
answer, instead of endeavouring to cover them with obloquy
and shame. He expected that the Hon. Gentlemen opposite
would have furnished s ome tangible reasons to induce us to
believe that protection was necessary to be upheld for the
maintenance of the agricultural interests. They had shown
us that the price of corn was high, and had proved at the same
time that protection had effected that object. He (Mr.
Hawes) would undertake to show • that since the date of 1815,
when the great experiment of the corn-law system of England
was tried, the Agricultural Committee had invariably con-
demned the laws and the principles of those laws which the
Honourable Gentlemen opposite now sought to uphold.
One of the most important advocates of the alteration of the
law in 1815 had supported the measure, because, he said, that
it was absolutely necessay to do something to prevent the
diminution of the price of corn to such an extent as would
throw the land out of cultivation. The corn-laws were not
originally intended to uphold the price of corn, but the object
of the introduction of the law 1815 was to prevent the price of
corn from diminishing below a certain moderate standard'.
Such a measure would not have been necessary had there been
no legislative interference in matters of trade. If encourage-
ment bad been given to every species of manufactures, there
would have been no necessity for any Parliamentary inter-
ference in regulating the price of corn. Manufactures, and
every kind of staple trade, had repudiated protection altogether.
Notwithstanding the law of 1815 was passed ; he would ask
Hon. Gentlemen opposite, if it had been successful and useful
to them as agriculturists ? The Hon. Gentleman then re-
ferred'to the report of the Agricultural Committee of 1821,
1822, and 1828—in the drawirg up of which Mr. Huskisson had
taken a part—to show that protection had not tended to benefit
the agricultural intereat,but, by keeping out foreign competition,
had been influential in depressing the property of agriculturists.
They would find the labourer much better off when the price
of corn was low, and food abundant, than when it was other-
- The Committee of 1836 was largely composed of the

landed interest, and the result of their-labours showed that

the condition of the labourer was greatly improved when
prices were low, as compared with what it was when they
were high. He would now ask the gentlemen opposite on
what principles they intended to proceed? They had not se-
cured steadiness in price—they had not secured high priers.
All they had done was to introduce uncertainty, doubt, and
dismay. —( Hear, ht-ar. ) Protection very clearly had not been
productive of benefit to the agricultural labourer. He thought
that. the protection hitherto granted had failed. The law of
1842 had failed—its authors admitted that it had failed ; and
the very tact of Gentlemen opposite calling for the opening of
the ports showed that they condemned that law.—(Hear,

hear.) That very act was the condemnation of protection.
He would ask, had they any experience of the working of free
trade? He thought the. law of 1773 was one which bore
closely on the point. The commerce of this country at that
time continued to flourish. The late Lord Sydenham had
strongly expressed his opinion on that subject ; but, before he
wool t allude to that further, he would just call the
attention of the House to the period to which he
alluded, when there was partially a free trade in corn. From

the year 1773 to 1793. the imports into this country were
4,100,0001., while the exports were 2,409,0001., showing a
balance of imports over exports of 1;600,000'. The population
increased during the same period from 7 to 8 millions—popu-
lation increased, trade increased, and agriculture was thriving.
—( Hear, hear.) But the period to which he especially alluded
was from 1784 to 1792. The highrist price of corn then was
4•25., 375., 365., 445., 455., 545. The lowest price was 415.,
345., 365., 425., 475. The greatest difference of fluctuation
during the one period being only 75., and the lowest 25., and
there was no period w hen the commerce of the country in-
creased to the same extent in so short a time. All this oc-
curred during the partial-operation of free trade. He would
now remind the House of what prices were from 1742 to 1748.
The price, of corn was on an average about 30e. ; what was the
condition of the people during that ,ime ? Adam Smith said
that there never was a period when the labouring population
was in a more thriving condition. This surely proved then, that
under the operation of low prices the condition of the
labouring classes ftid not deteriorated, but had improved.

Between the years 1773 and 179:) there had been a controversy
as to the price of core, and the connexion of the country banks
with farmers. In that controversy Sir Francis Baring had
taken a part. anti the opinion of that great authority upon
commercial affairs was, that the lowest price of corn was not
sufficient to fix a remunerative price for agricultural peeduce.
He (%Jr. Hawes) was of opinion that, from the great improve-
ments-which had taken place in cultivation, the farmers would
be enabled to grow more wheat than they had hitherto done.
and therefore they would be able to compete with the produce
of the foreign markets. —( Hear, hear.) It was seen that
when wheat was at 1255. and down to 565., there was no one
point at which a remunerating price could be fixed. The
English farmers had derived, and he hoped they would con-
tinue to derive, remunerative prefits at even the lowest prices
of corn. He was of opinion that the effect of the corn-
law upon the social state of the people of this c •untry
was most pernicious. The farmers, in try'ng to meet the
demand for food, were obliged to have resort to artificial
means to raise the necessary supply, and hence was it that '
every foot of ground, which was intended for the recreation
of the people, was taken for cultivation; and the result of all
this was, that they were unable to meet the wants of the
country.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") The corn-laws pre-
vented the supply of food from abroad, and the neces-
sary consequence of the continuance of these laws would be to
introduce the manufacturing principle into the agricultural
system of this country. Now, he did not agree with such a
state of things; he did not think that laws which required the
torturing of the land into something like a produce could be
upheld, when it had been so clearly proved that there was not
sufficient corn grown after all to meet the wants of the people.
—( Hear, hear.) He was glad to find that this state of things
was about to he remedied by the measure of her Majesty's
Ministers, and for the reasons he had stated, he would give
the Government his most cordial support, in the hope that it
would benefit the country generally.
gir JOHN TROLLOPE said he represented a large con-
stituency, and he must say, in answer to the Honourable
Member for Lambeth, who, in the opening part of his
speech, had said that the measure of her Majesty's Mi-
nisters was one upon which all were unanimous in
its favour—with regard to that certainty, he could
inform the House that so far from his constituency being
unanimous in favour of the measure, the feeling was quite the
other way.—(" Hear, hear," from the protection side of the
House.) He attended a large meeting in South Lincolnshire,
called to °lnsider the expediency as well as the general bearing
of this measure upon the country, and at that meeting there
was but one landowner who held up his hard in tavern- of it.
He had heard the Right Hon. Baronet state to that House
that he had come to the conclusion that such a measure was
necessary to meet the wants of the country ; but the Right
Hon. Gentleman said also, that he had formed his views upon
the exuerience of the last three years of certain experiments
in the reduction of duties. He did not think so great a ques-
tion could be settled upon so slight an experience as that of
three years. —( Hear, hear.) An allusion had been made to the
law of 1815; he would admit that that law was the law of
monopoly, and be was glad it had been amended in the year
1820, for it was one which prevented corn from coming in till
it had risen to an exorbitant price. The law of 1820 had
however amended this, and he (Sir J. Trollope) considered
the law of that 'year a good one; and such as was required for
the protecti, n of native agriculture. The Hon. Member then
quoted several authorities in support of his views of the
subject. He considered that • there was nothing like
correct statistics regarding agriculture in this country.
and thought it rather a blot upon • the character
of England, that it did not, like France, have a proper statis-
tical return of the amount of her agricultural produce.—
( Hear, hear.) Had there been proper statistics of the agri-
cultural production of this country, it would be found that the
farmers had made great exertions to provide food for the
people. In his own county there had been an increase of loe
per rent. of corn and wheat,. and the increase of the popula-
tion was not more than 20 per e •tit.—( Hear, hear," from Lord
G. Bentinck. ) Did it not fellow, then, that the same result
would he found in other parts of the country? and, if the ar-
gument was good for anything. it went to prove that the far-
mers of England were able to supply the demand upon them.
( Hear, hear, and No, no.) He lied heard if sail that the
Church were a consenting party to this me asure ; but he did
not think that the working clergy would so much neglect their
own interests, because it would be the working clergy who
would be effected by it. Then, as to the malt-tax ; that tax,
he believed to operate against he farmer, and amounted to 70
per cent. per annum upon the raw material ; and if it were
removed, the famet would be enabled to give his labourers ale
at lid. per quart. He could go on enumerating many other
such matters. He would ask, wood not the effect of free trade
be the means of introducing the growth of the beet-root, and
many ether :products from which this country now derived
large taxes. The legacy duty also operated against the owner
. of land, and added to the grievances of free trade ; for instance,
he bought a piece of land lately, and had to pay nearly five
years' rent for the coat of conveyancing. In Ireland also, he
did think this measure would have a most injurious effect, by
lessening the value of land, on which the 1 eople of that country
depended entirely'for their support. He was in Ireland during
the whole of the summer of 1822, when a large suns of money
was made up to relieve the people from the famine that then
prevailed. The late defect in the potato crop had nearly been
fatal ; and, therefore, this was not the period at which to les-
sen the value of the produce of land at home. He did not
think that foreign countries would give this country the benefit
of the proposed reductions, for he heard that in France they
were raising the price of brandy ; but they did not at the
same time say they would admit British produce upon the
same advantageous terms ; while France might still contend
that their wines also should be admitted at the same reduction
as that made upon brandy. He did not see that in America any
reduction of the tariff was proposed, at least not such
a reduction as would meet the free-trade measures of this
country; and, therefore, from that part of the world they had
not much to expect either, while the hopes raised in Canada
would be dashed to the ground. He had heard imputations of
" Abandoned Monopolists" applied to those who entertained
views on this question like his own ; but he would say he would
rather abandon all his property than act in any way that would
make such imputations applicable to him. But he could not
avoid saying that it appeared to him that these epithets were
more applicable to Hon. Members at the other side, because he
would contend for it that the first class of persons who would
be affected injuriously by this measure would he the agricul-
tural labourers, whose wages would be lessened, and many of
whom would be thrown out of employment by the quantity of
•land that would be cultivated into pasture.—( Hear, hear.)
Why should not this country have the power to do in the pre-
sent day as the ancient Romans did, namely, to keep up a
store of corn to meet a period of scarcity?—( Hear.) He re-
gretted to have trespassed so long uvon the attention. of the
House ; he seldom did so ' • bat so long as he held a seat in this
House he would ever advocate his principles honestly and
independently.—( Hear, hear. )
Sir JOHN HAN Al ER said he could point attention to acts
passed in 1670 and ot her early periods, in which protective clauses
were passed for the express purpose of keeping down the
price of corn. And frpm 1669, for several years after, the
effect of this protective system was in fact to raise the price of
corn, though it was intended to keep it down. In 1791, came
the revolutionary wars, and if the price of cern was then raised,
that could not be said to be attributable to the corn-laws
Let them come to the corn-law of 1828, which they all at
present concurred in, and he would ask what had been the
effect of that? Had they not seen corn stored up in bond never
brought into market, yet exercising an influence on prices outside;
Looking, therefore, on these matters, he should confess himself a
sceptic on the score of protection. A great deal had been said
with regard to the effect the present measure would have on
foreign nations ; now, he should confess that in that
int _ of
:sew it possessed its greatest recummendation in hie eyes. 11e
had been informed that in Russia it would have a very bene-
ficial effect, as an alteration in the tariff of that country,
highly va'u dile to England,
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erefore, in his opinion, was certain
rtain
highto result.
that the present measure should be brioug.ht:fihtnrwp.ioahrerden.d toheyHdhaaanr(i,
hear.) Viewing all these matters, then, h
Gentlemen to cease their cry for protection, v.
not ehown that it had ever given an appreciable value to pro-
perty. He entreated of them to look to the substance rather
than the shadow. If they wished for a fixed duty, his vote
should be recorded against it, as be believed it would prevent

prices ranging in such a way as would alleviate the pressure
oompitition.—(Hear, hear.)

Lord EBRING TON was anxioss to address a few observa-
tions to the House. He had no intention of following up the
spirit of the debate in 'the way in which it had opened. 116
preferred taking a different course. As to the criminatious
and recriminations that had taken place, lie left the course taken
by the Government to be attacked as it might by their friends,
and defended as it best could by the Government themselves.
It must not-be forgotten that they had in prospect the total re-
peal of the corn-lows, and yet they were cursed with the
sliding.scale fel; three years. The Hon. Member for the citY
of London had, in the year 1842, predicted the state in which
the corn trade would be. and remarked, that though corn ses
then at a low price (61s. 2d. ), bread was not a bit cheaper for
the consumer, The Hon. Gentleman whe had just sat down
had seen his error, and he trusted that he would impress uP°3
the Government the necessity of repealing this.perreciousll,
tern, which had nothing whatever to do with protection. 't
was doubling the absurdity of the former system by rendering
it uncertain at what price corn could be sold. What they had
done they should hate done well, so as to put a stop to that
agitation which had existed, and which was so mischievous in
it, effects. The season was favourable for the adoption of such
a measure. The unprecedented accumulation of corn, so much
feared by Hon. Gentlemen opposite, was not to be found, and
the scarcity of food, and the peculiar circumstances of the time,
would protect the farmer from any sudden increase in the
competition in corn. The farmer expected, with ;he H°e;
Gentleman, that there would be a great increase in corn, :741 ,
believed there would be a great diminution in the captivation,
and at the end of three years the farmer would find himself
unprotected and exposed to foreign competition. He would
not discuss all the burdens on land alleged by the Hon. Gen.
tlemen opposite. He would not dwell upon the highway-rates,
&e. ; but he would only say, with regard to the poorerates and
county-rates, the burden was left on real and legitimate pro.
perry. It fell as heavily upon houses as it did upon land,'
There was a burden on land which he had not heard much
alluded to in this debate, although the Hnn. Member for Lin'
colnshire had alluded to it. It was one which put very little
money in. her Majesty's Treasury, and yet fell very heavily on
the landed proprietors. It was the property duty on the trans'
fer or mortgage of small estates, and rendered their sale ex-
tremely difficult. It fell very heavily on the change or trartsfer
of large-properties. They had a right to demand that theree
should be a Bill to enable them to sell their land in t":
dearest and to purchase in the cheapest market.
thought that the law of real property could vot no
be found to be a burden on land, but socially C't
politically mischievous. He denied that the scheme was gee
and comprehensive which proposed to relieve Scotland free!,
the burden caused by the maintenance of one large prison, an
yet left this master grievance untouched. He did not mean
to
say that nothing had been done since the report of the Res
Property Commissioners, but he did think, that according to the
recernmendation of the Commissioners, some Bill should be
brought in to alleviate the present system. A very remarki
able proof might be given of the supposed effect of the law of
real property on the value of land. • In this country,, where 0,
much social importance was connected with the possession o'
land, land was sold at fewer years' purchase than on the
Continent. Cn the Continent land was worth 45 years' per
chase in some cases, arid in England from twenty-seven t°
thirty years' purchase. In the sale of an estate in Somerset'
shire, it had cost the vendor 4,600/. and the purchaser
The same evils relating to property that existed in Ireland
were to be found in Scotland. In the Highlands of Scotlitnu
there was found the same want of employment and the seal
absence of a middle class; and though these evils were net rt
present aggravated with religious contention, that state wig!.
soon be brought about by the treatment which the Free
Church was likely to receive from the landlords of that cone-
try.—( Hear, hsar. ) Wales, like Ireland and Scotland, ".as
also suffering, not from the oppression of the poor-law. or t!r
operation of the " Bastiles,' as they were called, but by
circumstances in which the holders of property were plat it
Unless the burdens imposed 'oe real property were removed, •
would be impossible to get rid of this state of tlaintm vaga'
therefore, absurd to call the measure of the' doverninente,
great and comprehensive one. No measure was entitled to
_n•
called such unless it grappled with this state of things' "1,7 t
made a final and satisfactory settlement of the difficulties tmot
surrounded personal and real property. The Goverilmbel,
were bound to suggest some plan to meet the evil ; or, if t :t
were not prepared with a plan, then they ought to reaPP.I'I,
the Real Property Commissioners, to inquire into the soiln'na
and to report to the House, that it might legislate upon it.
the
Mr. RA SFILEIGH said he could not remain silent en
present occasion after what had been stated. He had no cull*
tation to say that if th's measure passed it would be °eat;
giving a bonus to agitation. He asked the Right Honoursiee
Baronet how he could consistently support the agitation of !0"0
Anti- Corn-law League —( Laughter from the opeositi ;
benches )—seeing that from his position he was bound to Pa
down agitation ?—(Laughter and ironical cheers from the ort
position-benches.) The Member for Stockort might laugh tilt
what he stated, but he (Mr. Rashleigh) was not to be Pi
down by him and the crew that sat behind him.—(Crigeel
Order.") He was astonished at the course the Right "A 0
Baronet was now taking, seeing the opinions that he held
longer than about twenty-one months ago, in July, 1844,10
speech he then delivered. That speech so well expressed„
( Mr. Rashleigh's) views, that he would read it. The Llos
,Member -then read the extract, which was to the effect
it was Lepossible to carry out the rigid principle of pnt"'„ij
economy, and that a repeal of the principle of protection sl°,"oet
interfere with leases, derange the labour market, and aintbs
established interests in a most injurious manner. 116
Right Honourable Baronet) was then against "•10
thing like the repeal of the corn-laws. NOW the
( Mr. Rashleigh) would ask that Hon. Gentleman to give cel
House the reasons which in such a short time had prodoto,
this monstrous tergiversation. He called on him for sa fie
faction on this point. If the present measure was pass7ol
that House, he hoped the other House would do its dul:01,
save the country from the ruin that threatened R.-4 for
oh !" from the Opposition benches.) He cared nothiegx
their contempt. He lived far enough from their 10,beir
region. He knew both them and it, and he also knase
exact strength in the affections of the operatives. It iva! the
known that these Leaguers dared not call open meetings Imp
manufacturing districts, as they would be sure of defeat_
00,
the poor people over which they tyrannised so severely.,
thing was said the ether night of the state of the mining ov
tricts. He represented one of these districts, and he iebe
asked the Hon. Member for Stockport to come down, an°, 00
would find the people comparatively well off, and they had de,
truck system among them. With regard to the mining 00 if
he would only say, that respecting the duty on copper orej to
the Government proposition was carried out, it would lee peg
the ruin of that branch of mining industry. He had had se eh
ral letters on this subject, and they all gave expres,ion to 'ten
an opinion. The Hon. Member then read extracts fronisueel
letters, w 1 ich were strongly condemnatory of the proet std
alteration in the tariff regarding copper ore. One he tees.
was from a party in Cornwall, that employed 3,000 I'l-rtes
Such were the general opinions he believed in that part 0f her
country, the feeling being decidedly against the polio): that
Majesty's Government. It was with great pain but
he must vote against the Right Hon. Baronet,
with
still he was not to be dragged through the mire
cirier
him, and must act up conscientiously to the prin _ent,
upon which he had been returned to Parlisienro,
He was elected in 1841, not as a pledged advocate of the elf
laws, but be was expected to advocate the agricultural in‘eferit it
of the country. He could assure the House that he had had
his duty to maintain the fixed principles which that Fid.e_ re.
now seemed to abandon, and he was determined, while
tained his seat, that, however others might falsify those P
ciples, be would preserve bis own consistency. bsys
Mr. BARING would have been much disinclined ge•
come forward on this subject, but as it seemed a settled arra" Ito
ment that the question should be debated in a given tiosefuser
felt some little anxiety that the debate should not 14-S
until he had expressed his cordial support of the naesOrs did
troduced by her Majesty's Government. And, although.b 001
not mean to deny there were many points in the provost:St-0e
the R:ght. Hon. Baronet which might properly lead to elo, sl
sion ; yet, looking at the question as a whole—lool',7oll
it as giving so much present good, and as corny cold
the seeds of so much future benefit, no 14°
give the measure his utmost support. bee for
thought that, after hearing the speech of the Hon. Meal t
Lambeth that evening, it was quite unnecessary for 13,1 aide
notice the observations of Hon. Members on the bee°
until that speech had been replied to. Nothing new ba-teigb',
developed in the course of the debate, unless, indeed. it ett io
be the formation of a third party, diametrically oPPe bad
-
their leading principles to the two great parties winc„ rer,'
been wont to elivEtt the House, and which now stood 01;0
fectly independent position. But to that party he (Mr. lei tbe;
would be inc fined to put the question—what course 'e lid wit
intend to follow on the present occasion ? He age t peril
his Hon. Friend the Member for Ltskeard. that a gres sans'
ought to have some great guiding principle ; and be to lb;
dered, further, that that party were bound to exprees
House the course they intended to follow. He trusted
unnecessary to assure Gentlemen opposite that in anY toes%
he should be obliged to make, no personal disrespect was eltic
to any of them. He admired' the spirit and the abilitYi cos'
they had evinced under peculiarly difficult ei
stances ; and, therefore, if any expression sheas‘t,
from him, which might be deemed bsri ePtio
severe, he hoped it would not be attributed to any ul'earineeii
or hostile feeling. It was very well to create a resin di;
the Government measure—very well, indeed, to proeosteot
ferent course ; but he would remind Hon. Gentleme" cameo
public and the country received the proposal of the G°vee 01,1' os
with acclamation, and he thought that when gentlellffin thete
site had taken it upon themselves to form a party--Wre-y tss
expressed their disapprobation of the policy pursued oort'lo
Right Hon. Baronet—when they stated that he was
of further confidence., surely he (Mr. Baring) was e'leaelP-e
ask, when they thus disapproved of the present Inchef),,,
what was the one they themselves were prepared to plat lion `j
the country? He had listened with considerable attieenisooree
the lung debate which had taken place, and he had enn`( thee
to fathom the future course of the protectionist polo:net:is
rejected the present measure. The Hon. Member for id oe
had said that this battle was for all, and that they well if q3Ol
of no compensation. He should be glad to leer,'' be ge.'
opinion was the opinion of the party ; be should ceen'ba
{
to learn what they proposed to lay before them, slifio
if they rejected the proposal brought forvvurd ado
Hon. Baronet. Let them recollect the admission 03 retry
Right Hon. Gentleman, le hen bringing forward this it, eece4
Lion on a former day. He stated that he coneeire(Loptill,
sary, as early as the month of November, to take Pisieing
to meet the scarcity anticipated in the country, by It se,
Order in Council for the suspension of the corn-laws' ougV
now emitted by all-, that the Right Hon. Gentleror test
have issued that order. It was objected against bin' beefs'
had not done so, and with that admission betere thorn'
asked Hon. Gentlemen opposite why they delayed I'l Ode:
Baring) offli
lion as to their future intentions ? He (Mr. d )0,
had heard of the British lion, he had heard of native es
and he perfectly admired the spirit of the Mble fore ta..'w
speaking on this question, asked them what fl ling br
were prepared to bring forward—was it the snuee OA.
that they were prepared to substitute? Perhaps tesse%,.
ask what argumeets they were p.reared to bring soototo
in favour of the 'sliding scale ? They were tell ere epeli
that if they did not give to protection a fixe.i duty, that A
_O,
be no reliance placed upon it. They were toldt.tone. 1:0_0(
duty was better than any other mode of protec I ',:intse,Lo,
Ireland
suspension we were
of
the
no.") He would like to know how they would go to their seri
quite
cre,rand.ylawtos.m_e(e
ct
rtihese,:ofeo.;firii,
to dsfend the sliding scale, when they bad expressed t° osioltsj
ness to support the Right Hon. Gentleman in a sOsePodessris
the
no.) Then he had owe.
them,
certainly('misunderstanding in sent
a Te Ho
e es
but
corn-laws.—(No, w
w s N°
teen-twentieths of the House shared.—( Cheers.) 'would
se
Member for Somersetahire had stated that beet, wire,
wreeardestretandysuttopdorotsosutsopne.ns.i‘tvin, and he stated that ttbetelet"ibs
opposite were prepared to suasppitor he
at reilideuwtyasEl yr'ai3etiotah.st
time was passed for such a settlement of the n"!fied I;Yhee
thought that Hon. Gentlemen were perfectly just' teed t'ole
circumstances in changing their opinions. kle go t° oir
to dee
did they believe that they were prepared
were did
country 'in the gut, slims of a fixed duty ? If they -001 e
..bt
mined to adhere to a sliding scale, to what slidi: rThe
they propo'e to attach themselves ? The country costn'ipi ol
to know whether they had settled amongst o°ol
scheme which they were prepared to adhere to. so;bst
the Noble Lord who hail led the protection pantyu
(Lord George Bentinck) to state to the e°tand us 0e
business scheme he was prepared t 'el,' be of
and go to the country with ? There
.e°7, osoootse
doubt that the majority of that House Iva` esreelf
the measures of her Majesty's Government• Tli
so fi-
des of Lim Guttman oppentiwis *it Oa. )1/".

out
in
,!of that the.
be oppoed
44talkien"emea
1i).9 an al
tilt:4_' to
otheriatvbee Bangt
ke:,tr(lnestiou to 1
It was tl
theY,' one of the
vi: treat the state
wOuld be ti
5,.ed of his foo
kr,44;t,)%01d say II
oaU4
tkpmennts f
tothe
t albsl ft
tkl
tr'oteetirtxt.,;'tePehle., I.r'strl'es(l'uht.'iteta:r4u7dhleier:idueeeel IP:eern,triel Ibuyttera:t(:ilisaoataa'nnslukrtmehonkmel esolyrfsoi'mtacHisrrkpr°l.c°aen°e:,lll
kthi,°*c,Lag thie
,ti
at
0
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•al3ef,it oohlotwof rwierajal
giaw.
px
ttl"re was a 1
kv,,,°woing-st reel
t‘t7l;,4ot, as thety
N.that they, th
and snout
not trouble
a° Ri sit down, ex
ra,t Hon. Ile
re
tterirt the possibil
thaeght that
14;84aggerated.—
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#t,,l•• it to be it
klile'ed to th
e
eat a large.
SPotatoes for
kkhtnnst of nece
of some oft
p-*
21' he was qu
~;gerefore giver
St Which the C
!,14-,-e°t to those
„
'"°se who WI
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110
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b.?1:1:: Itt
leji'tirtf:h:lnlh flubsbaetiir ei)echtnet
ietEi:l:Ore'lwtos'nwrs:ohagtwntuwrli glatari n;age,blt Gl:Yttusn:ilu :trete:, taet:l-isfelrliosin'hd: ltQfcilaisf°ateivr'ctici'l(lll.:
tlirn
%NI, gereatee
whe 11 le St
N"...4eeS.lll,ject.
the
edint
`iterated
undernl3'.
Nit:ettted with I
PrIC ; and
more than
S4hiltence
2tlt-7,e wag on:
the figur
'sr Illamert 1
h cal officer
e believed
41
los those s
who sent
,
th a
1,1 tW, • , res ieeti
k, qh, •
/-nt ne
ti4l4't ragingii
1:Otato crop.
a
I,l'llnit.,N4l:t'Rileilf::::sflo:offit some.
rel,inee:adr
that it
,;..$041,,„'"1t of fever
,Ntv men ant
• r: it an
7Apli,}lheld„
11, :pi deerno. ur c
6'44 °if bwidthf
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resen
f tiltta„ve
zia,,t whi
I,li offever a
t° ad
ro•lios
'tteeth°se su„Lget„
P,tient's wl
abet►°ltrtd to she
Vqe Governm
the apprel
iJVt ter,l°l a lit:le 1
munic
state
, in stat in
'iot,, Irelan,
lstotptbat. h e v
I iOrte
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14 lc! that
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14,,-1° Passed tC
10,4rvelar
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411:111kI41‘111ill:t41: s4e'ti
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in t
tkt§ch hts d,st
t th:
V•l4a° him
44,R,„, faituri
to tt5,..,..e,t.1 for
ki`ts,l,tc
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;
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1/44 tildedt; ane aT
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'i(:tr:ser'rtreesrPy°
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t:44 D'd he
4t the
Zia (o.te t. co"
ion,
much
Bee
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as tl
real
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bti'"ent o
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(114si'l be:tab
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the near.
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tithotio
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14, tatlnt
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41. Thalthtl‘ed
tktek'rlcra
4,411,41h.1
,11 4:l4,thati,

at he

tivation,
himself
e would

o. 600-
Ly-rates.
ates and
tate pro'
on land
rd ma"
for Lin'
'ry little
Wavily oe
,e trail"
sale ex'
• transfer
:Ist there
1 in the
et. 11e
onlyl
-
al'y
was gill'
Lnd frost
icon. and
mean to
the Real
ing to the
hould be
remark;
le law 0,
where se,
session 01
n on the
ears' pur'
-seven to