The Sun.
London, England, 1846-07-17 00:00:00

to act. The Noble Lord had said that he should conduct
the Government on the principles which he had hitherto
adopted. Now, wee could put a right construction upon
that ? Nobody knew what it meant. To what period
of his life did the Noble Lord allude ? Had he said, I
shall act on the principles of Lord Grey's Government,
he (Mr. Duncombe) would have understood him. The
lion. Gentleman then went on to say—But there is an-
other matter on which I may veuture to put a question.
There were rumours, and there are rumours, as from
undoubted authority, that the Noble Lord, on forming
his Government, applied to the Right Hon. Baronet, the
late First Lord of the Treasury, to lend him three dis-
tinguished members of his Government.—(Cheers and
laughter.) Perhaps if those members had been obtained,
the lion. Member for Mahon (Mr. E. Denison) might
nave been satisfied. He complains of neglect of the
landed interest; but for my part I do not care one straw
whether there is an overplus in the Cabinet of the landed
interest or of the trading interest. What I want to
knew is the principles on which the Government so
formed is to be conducted. That is one point on which
1, was desirous of being informed—did or did nut
toe Noble Lord make application directly or indi-
rectly to three members of the late Government
for their assistance in his emergency ? This very morn-
ing I have seen some of the Noble Lord's constituents—
very able and active men—and I say this, that if the Noble
Lord were to goto Guildhall to-morrow, notwithstanding
his reception the other day, he would meet with very
different treatment.—(Cries of " No, no," and cheers.)
Try.,,, it—go there.—(Renewed cheers and much laughter.)
'That did these constituents say? 'l.'hat the answer of
the Noble Lord was satisfactory? Far from it ; one of
thein told me, in so many words, " We are going to have
the old Whig dodge over again."--(Continued cheers.)
That is what he understood from the Noble Lord's an-
ewer. Then we come again to the three gentlemen for
,Whom the Noble Lord applied to the Right Hon.
Baronet. On what principle was the application made?
That is what I should like to know. I could not believe
it for a long time. I read it in a newspaper; but I am
31.1:4 in the habit of believing all I read in newspapers ;
tut the first in which I saw it stated was the Weekly
Chronicle.—(Hear, hear.) It is a paper most ably writ-
ten, as indeed every one must be that proceeds from the
pen Of my Hon. Friend the Secretary of the Admit al ty.—
What
and cheers from all parts of the House.)
what did my Hon. Friend say only ten days ago ? He
contended that nothing could be more absurd than such
a story, although every hour had its lie, and every lie its
;believers. He says—" The Liberal clubs are like the
statute fairs of the north—full of labourers waiting to
; hired ; yet one of our Liberal Contemporaries, The
!ut, has the barbarity to suggest, that in addition to re-
taining Lord Dalhousie at the Board of Trade, for
Which it would be difficult to find a more efficient presi-
dent, or one more universally respected, Lord John
Russell should endeavour to secure the valuable services
of Lord Lincoln in Ireland, where he has only had six
!reeks' experience as Secretary. We cannot compre-
hend these crotchets. A Peel-mania is bad enough ;
nut a Lincoln-mania, or a Sidney Herbert-mania, or a
Granville Somerset-mania, to which we alluded last week,
really pass our comprehension. Can any man point out
to us, in the whole House of Commons, up to Nov. 1,1845,
a more decided monopolist than Lord Lincoln? Can
MY man understand or respect his conversion ?"—(Much
cheering) If anybody else respects the Noble Lord's
conversion, it is clear that my Hon. Friend the Secretary
for the Admiralty does not respect it.—(Cheers and
laughter.) Bat he goes on:—" Can any man fathom
the mental process by which Mr. Sidney Herbert was
induced to espouse free-trade opinions as soon as he met
Sir Robert Peel in London, in November last year,
after making the most strenuous Protectionist speeches
in August to his constituents? No! If there is to be
a fusion of parties, by svay of making what is called a
strong government, give us Sir Robert Peel and Sir
James Graham! We shoteid then, at all events, have
something for our stoney. Bat with all respect for The
471, we cannot conceive a see:tem of Irish government,
of which Lord John Russell should be the head, and
-Lord Lincoln the confidential agent." When I read
it I considered it, like my Hon. Friend the Secretary to
the Admiralty, a most absurd rumour—that there could
not be a word of truth in it ; but a few days afterwards
what did I see in another newspaper, which, I am told,
and if it be not true there are parties present who can
eontradict it, is now to be considered the Government
°rgell—l mean the Times.—(Much cheering.) lam
trek
bly informed that some arrangement has been made
Za Skilful negotiator, now in this House, the Honour-
; Member for Worcester (Sir D. Le Merchant), by
14-'414 this end is to be accomplished. This is a ru-
ittlr : it may not be tree, and I state it that if untrue
ler be contradicted. I think it due to that great
rti,Vig journal that nothing so injurious to its cha-
le,"l' and influence should go forth, if the statement
01,4'1:founded : it is that by a Government arrange-
eet's in the phraseology of a military ga
c!e, that the Times has been promoted, vice the
d :lack superseded.—(Cheers and laughter.) It seems
lie,i Under the circumstances, that some consolation
si ntild be afforded to an old friend—to that journal
which has now been aoandoned, although through good
triport and evil report it clung to the party, and waded
thein, deep in the mire to support it.—(Cheers.) Never-
'lee, in the moment of victory it is not to be per-
altted " to share the triumph and partake the gale," hut
leoesetseaedn.d old friend, no longer useful, it is now to be neg •
It is thus deprived of the authority it ought to
, s as the organ of the party, and another paper is
_uoilituted. I read in the Times, that after the Noble
Lord was first called upon to form a government, almost
Ts first act was to run to the Right Hon. Member for
araworth for the loan of these three gentlemen.—
(Laughter.) The Right lion. Baronet seems to have
replied, that it was too delicate a matter for him to
interfere in, but that if he might express an opi-
nion, it would be, that if they accepted the Noble Lord's
-offer, it would have too much the appearance of the love
of place.—(Cheers.) It was added, that when they were
applied to, their answer was, that at present they did
not intend to comply with the Noble Lord's urgent re-
quest, and the consequence has been, that the offices
have fallen into the hands of the Hon. and Right Hon.
Gentlemen I have now the gratification of seeing before
Irne.—(Cheers and laughter.) I confess that I agree
With my Hon. Friend of the Weekly Chronicle, the Se-
cretary to the Admiralty. Instead of applyin„r, for three
Members of the late Cabinet, it would have been
better for him at once to have taken the whole.—(Much
laughter.) If the Noble Lord had done so, we should
have had an excellent Secretary for the Home Depart-
ment, who has discharged his daties to the satisfaction
of everybody.—(Cheers.) I repeat, to the satisfaction of
t!eerybody as far as public interests are concerned ; for
private squabbles I may have had with him have
enothing to do with the general administration of his high
""'°e•—(Cheers.) Besides that, we should have had a
Pod Chancellor of the Exchequer—an old, experienced
Chancellor of the Exchequer—(Laughter)—whose
dgets have " braved the battle and the breeze" for
tinalaY a long year—(Renewed laughter)—instead of a
it'vs , however able he may be, and
triumphantlyCh.74exr..2 he may come from the town of
(Cheers.) When these things take place, as
Certified to the public by your leading organ, and by the
Paere,ss generally, I ask, is there any man in the House or
of it who will tell me that an explanation is not re-
Illired? Is not some explanation due to the country
~Whese destinies you aspire to direct, and to the people
iikaro you presume to govern I thought that the
0;°,1143 Lord would only be too anxious to state his prin-
Cs'ese. but he has removed part of my difficulty, for he
Said that he means to conduct the Government on
the principles he has always advocated, and on the
!Pinions he has always expressed. Still I want to know
741 those pr3eeiples are? What, for instance, are his
Mentions as to the Irish Church ? What was the
tinion of the Nc'bia Lord last year as to the Irish
Church ? The Isienourable Gentleman then con-
ggned :—His (Mr. INneombe's) Honourable Friend
ffi e Member for She field (Mr. Ward), moved
upon: the discussion .of the Maynooth Bill,
'That it is the opinion of this House that any provi-
liens to be made for that purpose by the present Bill
ought to be taken from the funds already applicable
ta,. ecclesiastical purposes in Ireland." Now the
seoble Lord supported and voted for that motion.
Well, then, he wished to know whether that was to be
the principle upon which the Government was to be di-
rected, on that subject ?—(Hear, hear.) Let the House
IT°w What was the Governments' intention. The
lion. Gentleman opposite, of the country party, who
had a dinner the other day at Greenwich,
(Great laughter)—declared, amidst cheers which shook
the house in which they met to its foundations, that
principles were the same in 1846 as they were in
841.—((Treat cheering from the Protectionists.) But
5
should like to know what were their principles its
1841.--e Laughter, and cheers.) Did they not in 1841
come to a resolution that the Government of that time
had not the confidence of that House, and that her Majesty
Should be prayed toappoint a new Ministry ?—(Hear,
hear, and cheers.) And
that very Govern yet, were they not now support-
ingdeclared they had
no
confidence.—(Cries
in whom they, in 1841,
from the Protectionists!) dence.—(Cries of " No, no,"
why did they sit on the same did support them, or
hear, and cheers.) Were tbenches. (Hear,
support a Government favourable lib. prepared to
endowment, when in 1845 they deciat:o the Maynooth
ed4hemselves de-
cidedly opposed to it ?—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord
supported the Maynooth Bill, and in
Protestantiaide
it was but the prelude to other measureste3s?o'.said that
endowment of the Roman Catholic clergy g the
Noble Lord (Lord Howick) who was then in that Rouse
will take itnh:re
went still further, and said—"
Church revenues and apply them to the Roman Catho-
lics in the first instance, and the remainder to the Pro-
testant clergy, because those revenues of the church
originally belonged to the Roman Catholics."—(Hear.)
And he would call upon the Noble Lord to state whether
he does entertain his old opinions with regard to the
finality of the Reform Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Then
there was another question which he desired to
be informed upon ; he was anxious to known
what course would be pursued with regard to the Bill
for restricting the hours of labour in factories. The
Noble Lord had given his zealous support to that Bill
during the whole of the last session, and he has now the
means,
by a great majority, to carry out that measure.
e (Mr. Duncombe) hoped that that important measure
Would not be left to the ewe of private individuals. lie
recognised in the Government of the Noble Lord several
°,sPponents of the measure. He, therefore, considered
that these were circumstances which required, which
demanded
of allnadedexplanation; and in his opinion it was the
parties that we should no longer be
'deceived, or allow ourselves to be deceived.—(Hear.)
he
Was a charge against the late Prime Minister, that
0 did not deceive any body, but he allowed others
'v
deceive themselves. It is necessary that we should
ln'eviv the truth—(Hear. hear, hear)—that we should
let,i
no, et the worst, and what we have to expect from this
oee. "fluent. If the measures of the Noble Lord
`are ee 'tensive, and conceived in a liberal spirit, he
:old aromise him the greatest possible support.
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