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Cloveonment whether he did not coneider himself answerieile toiiiibrelhAn7to stand out,against their nialtersylimrtre **el:l4
in a great measure for the falling off in the sepely of cattle that sin- principle to accede to teeir request. phis - cane.
had taken place by reason 01 the introduction Leta this country %incline Tuned of what they mielit, expect from an abobtien of pro-
ot the disease of cattle Laughter. ) Hoe. Gentlemen might tection He was for prWesting the raise ineustry of ,hecouutry,
laugh, but he begged to tell them that the introduetion of and he. for one, pref, met e caraorimeh linen to German linen,
he sign cattle into tt is country with diseased lungs Red other Lees, woolen goods thelaelgium, and York clogs aneeshoes to
diseased organs caused tee spread of that disease amongst the Pans articles. —; Hear, hear, and leuitheur. ) lie mov, d, as an
cettle in England, and was a great means of preventing amendment, .het the word " linen" he left out.
greeters from breeding cattle. Mr. DUNCOM BE sill] he repro-enteil a town where
Mr. VILLIERS said that he lion. Member who had just thine were extensive linen Inanufa,:or,..,. Rad certainly he had
sat down had dwelt at great length, and with great eloqu.•oce, j heard nothing irum hie eenstittienis to least him to believe that
upon the subject of diseased cattle; but he had forgotten to they were opposed to the Government measure. From what
tell the Bonus tha, there was a time when he made a speech in he knew of them, they were adverse to protection in any shape,
which ire said that the ianners of this country had nothing to and did not dread competing with the foreigner.—t Hear.)
fear from s merican competition, because, in fact, the cattle The amendment was negatived without a division, and the
that came from that country wets in such a condition that original motion was agreed to.
you could clearly read the newspapers through them— 1 HUBER DUTIES.
(Laughter)—and as to the American pork. that lost more than On the timber duties being proposed, -
half its value on the passage. He (Mr. Villiers) had heard a Mr. MITCHELL moved that the duty on foreign hewn
great deal said about the importance of those imports to the timber he reduced 10s. per load on the sth day of April, 1846,
dealers in them, but not one word had been uttered in reference and other kinds of wood in proportion.
to the poor people for whose benefit their prices had been re- Mr. CARDWELL said that the principal abject in taking
duced.—( Hear, hear.) There could be Ito doubt that this off the duty on an article, particularly the article of timber,
measure would pass, and Hon. ?'embers opposite had no doubt was to create benefits, rot for the foreign producer, but rather
ot it—( Cheers and laughter)—hut he would ask them were for the consumer of our own country ; and he thought that he
they aware of this fact, that there were very many of the might fairly take the authority of ie Hon. Gentleman him-
labouring classes in this country who for forty years had not self against the position which he had submitted to the House
tasted meat?—( Hear, hear ) in support of his amendment. The Hon. Gentleman had told
Sir JOHN TROLLOPE begged to offer a few observe- them, that if notice could have been given at an early period
Lions to the House. The Right Honourable Baronet at the of the winter, there would have been a very large importation
head of her Majesty's Government bad loudly cheered the of timber from Russia and Prussia into the English markets;
remark of an Hon. Gentleman, with reference to the disease but if he rightly recollected the Right Hon. Gentleman's ob-
in 'he breed of cattle. Now he recollected when that Right servations, he must admit that large importations need
Hon. Gentleman introduced the income-tax he told the coon- not be expected at the present moment, it the original
try they should save at out of their style of living. He hoped motion were carried. The House of Commons were now
the Right Hon. 3entleman had suffered his part of that.—( A called upon to determine at what period, with a due regard to
augh. ) The Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer the revenue and the consumer of this country, they might abe-
had adverted to experiments, but he should say that they were lish the duty on timber; and he contended, that by the first
prevented by the excise from carrying out these experiments. admission of the Hon. Gentleman, supported, and not im-
Now, if he might be permitted to say, having had some ex- paired by the second statement which he had made, he h d
periecce, that if his fr.ends at the same side of the House had his authority for saying that the House of Commons was called
exaggerated the alarm with respect to the destruction of cattle, upon to resist the amendment. Atter a few further observe-
and the number imported from abroad, they did so: not of bons from the Hon. Gentleman and Sir John Hanmer in sup-
themselves, but on the representation of their constituents.— port of the original motion,
( Hear, hear.) They had been treated to a corn-law lecture Mr. MITCHELL withdrew his amendment.
by the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton, though he (the Lord G. BENTINCK suggested that the further considera-
Hon. Member) could not see what that subject had to do with tion of the timber duties should be postponed till Monday
that under discussion. The Gentlemen on his side of the next—(Cries of " Oh, oh," and-" Go on")—and then the de-
question were in favour of every description of encouragement, bate might he probably concluded next week.—(ob, oh," and
cultivating the land extensively and feeding cattle, because they "Go on.")
were aware that from those sources sprung cheap toed for tha Sir R. PEEL hoped that the prophecy just made would be
public.— Hear, hear.) And it was only by the perpetual in- realised.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) He believed then that
terference of the Government in the matter that such benes he might take it for granted that the debate on the second
ficial effects were checked, as the Right Hon. Baronet, the First reading would be concluded on Friday week. The question
Lord of the Treasury, would, ere many years, discover to be was, whether they would prefer having six nights debate upon
the fact.—( Hear, hear.) the tariff or the Ccrn Bill. He thought that the best arrange-
Mr. P. BORTHWICK said that, in 1842, the Right Hon. merit that could be made would be (as there was an important
Baronet at the head of the Government, in introducing his motion with regard to railway', with which he would not inter-
tariff, told them, in reply to an observation made by an Hon. Pere)—( Hear, hear)—to take the timber duties on Friday,
Member, to the effect that Spain, owing to the richness of its anti begin the debate on Monday, with the general understand-
soil, would import cattle, that he ( Sir R. Peel) felt assured ing that the speeches would be so shortened as to admit of the
a single hoof would never cross the Bay of Biscay, though the realisation of the prophecy of the Noble Lord.—( Hear, hear,
result was that, in that very year, several head of cattle were and laughter.)
imported from Spsin. They had heard it stated by the Hon. RAILWAY LEGISLATION.
Member for Wolverhampton, that, owing to the depression in Mr. PARKER, in conseq'ience of a suggestion from Sir
agriculture, the wages of the agricultural labourers were low ; R. Peel, consented to postpone the consideration of the motion
yet they were going to improve the condition of the agrieultu of which he had given notice relative to the subject of the
rists by a further permission of articles of foreign growth free necessity of some further legislation in railway matters.
of duty. It seas impossible, in his opinion, to fix the gentlemen The Coalwhippers Act was then read a second time, and
of the Anti-Corn-law League to any certain principle.-- ordered to be committed on Monday week.
They had, to be sure, succeeded in converting two cabinets by The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
means the most extraordinary that ever the country witnessed. House adjourned at a Quarter to Twelve o'clock.
They proclaimed in the lace of the country that their determi-
nation was to benefit all classes; but how did they set about
doing that? Why, by depressing that class en which the pros-
perity of the rest of the country depended. —( Hear, and a laugh.)
He wished to ask the gentlemen what reason they had given
in defence of the proposition which they maintained? But
he would not pursue the argument, as he merely rose to ask
the lion. Member for Wolverhampton how it was that his ar-
eumeet so completely contradicted itself ? ( Laughter.)
Keowing the distinguished ability of which the Hon. Member
was possessed, he (Mr. Borthwick ) could not believe the Hon.
Gentleman was serious when he rose to proclaim his opinion
that the same measures could, at the sane time, and under
the same circumstances, raise the prices of corn and beef, and
also d, press them.— ( Hear, and lauehter.)
After a few words from Mr. VILLIERS, which were' in-
audible in the gallery, owing to the cries for a division,
Sir J. WALSH expressed his regret that Hon. Gentlemen
at the opposite side should have attributed motives of a selfish
nature to Gentlemen who happened to be at his side of the
question, though they had ever contended that they repre-
sented the great national interest of the country, with which
all other interests were interwoven, and still believed that they
were contending for the benefit of all classes, as well as Hon.
Gentlemen opposite.—(Hear, hear.) It was true that in the
present moment the price of cattle was higher than it. had been
tor many years; but if the Right Hon. Baronet at the head
of the Government had been called upon six or eight
months since to introduce his measure, he would
have spoken very differently.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.")
He should express his regret that that Right Hon, Gentleman
should have thought fit to disturb the arrangements entered into
by him in 1832, and which occasioned the evil effects which the
trade at that moment were only relieving themselves from.
The case of Ireland had been mentioned. Now he saw no
parity whatever in the case of Ireland as compared with
-foreign
countries, as Ireland was an integral portion of the empire.—
( Hear, hear.) The great article of produce in the south of
Ireland was cattle, and if the value of these was depressed great
evils would ensue, and the state i f the country be made much
worse than it was at present. The measures of the Govern-
ment, instead of improving the condition of Ireland, would only
aggravate its miseries,and place the population in a much worse
position than they were even now. On these grounds he must
oppose the present alteration.
Mr. ELLIO YORKE only rose to protest against
Honourable Gentlemen on the Opposition benches
using such language as they did in reference to the
great interest which he, and those on that side of the House,
represented. He felt it his bounden duty to oppose the pre-
sent motion, as well as all others that went to reduce the
amount of protection to agriculture. The prognostications of
the Right lion Baronet on this subject had not been made
out, and t erefore the change was not justifiable nor expedient,
Mr. KNIGHTLEY sae' the cause of the present dearness of
cattle was the unhealthiness of last summer, which destroyed a
great quantity of stock. If the present alteration was carried,
the effect would be, that the home market would be swamped
by cattle from Russia and the north of Europe. Great facili-
ties would be suffered to sending cattle to this country, from
the railroads that were bring constructed in those countries.
Mr. CUMMING BRUCE was against the alteration. He
had received a letter from an extensive grazier, who stated
that the home market would be filled with lean cattle if this
alteration was made; and especially that the Highland cattle
rearers would be ruined by the importation of foreign stock.
By referring to the importations that had already taken place,
'hey had evidence how the market would be affected. In 1844
the number of cattle imported was 1,521 ; in 1845 it was
4,920; while during the last year it was 16,870. He meat
cordially supported the amendment.
Lord G. BENTINCK rose amidst loud cries of "Divide,
divide." Ile said, he supported the Right. Finn. Baronet when
he altered the ditty on cattle, at the time it was a prohibitive
duty ; but he could not ogres to the present alteration. He
could no: look upon ten per cent. as a prohibitive duty, and to
that he was disposed to adhere. In answer to the Hon. Mem-
ber for Wolverhampton, who had complained that the people of
this country did not get a supply of meat, he would inform the
House that the population of this country eat more meat than
the people of any other country in Europe. The average con-
sumption of the people of this country was per annum 92 lbs.
each person; while no other country in Europe consumed
more on an average than 50 lbs. As he had
resi•ted tie other portions of the tariff, that
did a.say with protection to agriculture, so must he oppose the
present, and vote with his Hon. Friend below him, who had
made the motion. If they were defeated in that House, he
had better hopes of the Meuse of Lords, and should Hon.
Members be 'cut back to their constituents, judging from the
recent elecions that had taken place, he had no doubt his
party who stood up on behalf of native industry, would come
back strengthened, and with such power as to put a stop to
the ruinous policy that was now prevailing with the Govern-
ment.—( Cheers.)
The House then divided, when there appeared :
For the amendment
Against it
Majority
Several items in the tariff having been agreed to without
opposition,
On the proposition that the duty on foreign hides should be
lowered,

PARLIAMENTARN: BUSINESB,
'rom the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.
TUESDAY, MARCH 17.

The following Petitions for Railways were reported, and the Bile
,r(lftred to be brought in Isy the untlermunod lion. NI enMers :
Altrewsbury, Wolverhampton, and South Staffordshire (No. 1) —Lord
Ingestre at l Mr. E. Buller.
ihrewsbury, Woherhampton, and South Staffordshire (No. 2—Coal-
breokdale Branch)—Lord Ingestr.3 and Mr. E. Buller.
At. Alban's, Luton, and Dunstable—Mr. Astell, Mr. Denison, and

Mr. C. Buller.
Admiral Dundas.
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STANDING ORDERS' COMMITTEE

The following resolutions were reported from this Committee:-
1. That, in the case of the Cornwall Railway petition, the standing
orders ought to be dispensed with : --- That the parties be permitted
to proceed with their Bill, On inserting, in figur,s, on the cross .ec-
dons of the roads deposited in the Private Bill-office, the rates of
Inclination of the present and altered roads.
2. That, in the case of the Alliance Gas petition, the standing
orders ought to he dispensed with : —That the parties be permitted to
oroceed with their 13ill, with the exception of the clauses giving
power to the Company to sell or lease thei- undertaking.
3. That, in the case of the Wakefield Waterworks petition, the
qtaiiiling orders ought to be dispense,l with : —That the parties be per-
mitted to proceed with their Bill on depositing an amended declara-
tion in the Private Bill-office, stating the nature aial amount of the
innds or surplus revenue, by means of which the works are to be made.
'Mat the Committees on this and the two precedinz Bills do exa-
mine, in the first place, how far such orders have been complied with,
and do report the same to the Hewe on the report of the Bill.
4. that, in the case of the Shrewsbury and Ilerefoid Railway
.etition, the standing orders ought not to be dispensed with.
5. That, in the ease of the Lancaster and Preston Junction Rail-
way petition for leave to present a petition for a 1i 11, the sessional
order ought to he dispensed with :—That the parties be permitted
to present a petition accordingly.
6. That, in the
rid Hants (llungerford Ex-
tension) precept a petition for a Bill,
the sessional order ought to:be dispensed with :—That the parties be
petitioncase offotrheleßaveerktso and
permitted to present a petition for a liill for making a Railway from
Ilungerford to Westbury, and likewise a Railway from the Great
Weste n Railway to, or near to, the Radstock Collieries.
7. That, in the case of the Direct London and Manchester Railway
petition, the standing rders ought not to be dispensed with.
8. That in the case of the Edinburgh and Glasgow and Dumber-
-lonshire Junction Railway petition, the standing orders ought not to
be dispensed with.
First, second, third, fifth, and sixth resolutions agreed to.—Report
to lie on the table.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.)
TUESDAY, MARCH 17.
CUSTOMS ANI) CORN IMPORTATION.
Motion made, and Question put, " That Spirits or strong Waters
of all sorts, viz.:—
Spirits, for every gallon -of such Spirits or strong Waters of s. d.
any strength not exceeding the strength of proof by
Sykes's hydrometer, and so in proportion for any
greater or less strength than the strength of proof. and
for any greater or less qmintity than a gallon, viz. :-
-- being Spirits or strong Waters the produce of any
British Possession in America, or any British Posses-
sion within the limits of the East India Company's
Charter, and not being sweetened Spirits or Spirits
mixed with any article, so that the degree of strength
thereof cannot be exactly ascertained by such h;dro-
15 0
stand part of the Resolution." The House divided :
meter, the gallon - -
MAJORITY—AYES, 64.

- - ---,
Acland, T. D. Fitzroy, Henry Peel, Jonathan
Aldan, William Goulburn, Heury Plumridge, Captain
Baillie, 11. J
Seine, Walter thiroipthea,ian,.
ISvir. James Price, Sir Robert
Hamner, Sir John Somers, J. P.
ilst'euuelitYci,DE'd"Widar dG. Herbert, Sydney T.irrred, 11. W.
Thesigcr, Sir F.
Illewitt, Reginald Iloward, C. W. G. Thor oelY, T.
llottleld, lieriak Howard, P. H. Tollemache, F. J.
Bright, John Iltunphery, Ald. Trelawny, J. S.
Browne, W. Kelly, Sir Fitzroy Trench, Sir F. W.
Butler, Colonel Kirk, Peter Tuthell, weary
Cardwell, E. Langston, J. IL Turner, Edmund
Carnegie, Captain 11`Gettchy, F. A. Villiers, Charles
'jerk Sir G. Mahon, Viscount Warburton, 11.
i;ochrane, A. Masterman, J. Wawn, J. T.
Cocsbura, Sir G. Mitchell, T. I. White, Samuel
i.lorry, li. Mostyli, E. M. Wortley, J. S.
Dickinson, F. H. Muntz, Gif T. Yorke, 11. R.
Douglas, Sir C. E. Isr.,vnie, Ralph
In tie, Sir Janice O'Brien, J'. TILLERS.
Duncan, George Osborne, Ralph Young, John
rscott, }Witham Pechell, Captain Cripps, W.
Ewart, William Peel, Sir Rubin

MINORITY-NOES. 35.
Al ix, J. P. Floyer, John Miles, William
Irbutlimott, Hugh • Frew's'', C. IL Newdegatc, C. N.
Islell, William Fuller, A. E. Palmer, G.
teilett, J. Goring, C. Plumptre, J. P.
Bennet, P. Ilalford, Air 11. Sheppard, T.
itentinek, Lord G. Hind,, J. R. Sibthorp, Co:onel
lierestbrd, ajor Knight, F. W. Trollope, Sir J.
Buck, L. W. Knightley, Sir C. Tyrrell, Sir J. T.
, 'ayley, Edward S. Lawson, A. Worcester, Marquis
,lolvile, C. it. Lennox, Lord H.
'ompton, IL C. Liddell, H. T. TELLERS.
i)isracli, B. Mackenzie, T.
l'inch, George March. Earl of Tuhr
aoambpys,o 114,
ar(a aldermanu
i of

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Motion made, and Question put, " That ' Oxen and Bulls' stand
part of the Resolution." The House divided :
MAJORITY—AYES, 111.
Acland, T. D. Escott, Bickham .Neville, Ralph
.I.ldatn, 'William Ewart, William O'Brien, J.
Bailie, Walter Fitzriy, Henry Ord, William
Bannerman, A Fleetwood, sir I'. Peel, sir Robert
Barclay, David Forster, Matthew Peel, Jonathan
Barnard, E. G. Gore, Robert Philips. G. R.
Berkeley, Craven Goulburn, Henry Philpotts, John
Berkeley, Captain Graham, Sir J. Pluinridge, Captain
Blawitt, R. J. Greene, Thomas Price, Sir R.
Bottleki, Beriah Grosvenor, Lord R. Protheroe, Edward
Bowles, Admiral Hamilton, Lord C. Russell. Lard John
Bowring, Dr. Hanmer, Sir J. Scrope, G. P.
Bright, .1 ohn Hatton, Captain Seymour, Lord
Brotherton, Joseph Hawes, Benjamin Smith, Benjamin
Browne, W. Heathcoat, John Sonnets, J.. L.
Bruges, %V. H. L. Herbert, Sidney Stansfleld, W. R.
Rutter, Charles Hill, Lord Marcus Strait, Edward
Busleild, William Hogg, J. W. Tapered, H. W.
Cardwell, Edward Hope, G. W. Thesiger, Ar F.
Carnegie, Captain Howard, P. H. Thornely, T.
ltapinan, li. Jam,s, Sir W. Trelawny, J. S.
, lerk, Sir G. Jocelyn, Viscount Trench, Sir F.
Cochrane, A. Kelly, Sir Fitzroy Turner, Edmund
,"ockburn, iir G. Kelly, James Villiers, t 7harles
Corry, Henry Labouchere, Henry Villiers, Vlicount
Cripps, 'William Latizston, J. 11. Warburton, Henry
I lalrvinple, captain Loch, James Wawn, JT.
Dashwood, G. 11. Lockhart, A. E. White, Samuel
Dennistouti, John M'Geachy, F. A. Williams, W.
Dickinson, F. F. M`Seill, Duncan
IYoung,v Wortley,
,se,j
Wilshere, W.
Douglas, Sir C. wrpaggart, Sir J. Wood, Colonel T.
Duke, Sir J. Mahon. Lord
Marshall, William
Duncan, Lord
Martin, John
Duncan, kleorge Yorke, H. R.
Martin, C. W.
Duiteumbe, T.
Thomaso
jl
is.
Mitchell, T. A.
Dundas, Ahniral -. ' TRLTARS.
Ebringtou, Lord
Elphinstone, 11. Morison,3lolewo r tube,
ntirrallY W.
Baring, ',Leary

Mr. LAWSON said that he should have to offer one or
ntwo
no,bi
ms observationst otnh
et hwi
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"hides"ect He
be
leftnt e intended
out
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tobveer, a a .
Thes
introduction re foreign hides, by the tariff of 1842, had been
attended with no benefit to the working classes, for he could
state, with perfect safety, that in no part of the country were
shoes to be had cheaper than before the duty had been altered,
and therefore to that extent at least the reduction of duty on
foreign hides had been attended with no advantages. The
Noble Lord the Member for London had taxed the Gentlemen
with whom he (Mr. Lawson) acted, with their new-born zeal
for the working classes. He could inform the Noble Lord that
their zeal was not new Thorn, and, as regarded himself, he
could only say that in the proposed alterations of 1832, he had
moved that native manufactures, where protected already
against foreign competition, should return that protection. In
the very same spot he now propOsed the amendment that the
word " hides" be left out of the present tariff.
Sir JOHN TYRRELL rose to second the amendment. As
they well knew that one fact was better than a thousand argu-
ment., he should trouble the House with a circumstance which
had been communicated to himself by a clergyman, one ot his
constituents. He related that a farmer in the neighbourhood.
a man of undoubted capital, was so alarmed by the late and
further proposed alterations that he had already dismissed ten
of his workmen, and was on the point of dismissing ten more.
What made the case the harder was, that these men and their
ancestors had been in the employment of this farmer and his
predecessors for at least 100 years. He should like to know
Gentlemen.n,fient
would
answer opposite,
t hoer
question, perhaps o
howme thesthese Member
m men
ftEeemr
eGtHoovobenre
them, now that they had lost their former work? He (Sir
absorbed," for that he believed was the word with
John Tyrrell) shrewdly suspected that ti e workhouse, in that
and similar cases, could best tell the tale. These persons he
was informed were in the habit of attending the meetings of
the Anti-Corn-law League, and subscribing to their dogmas.
He suspected that the promised "cheap loaf" had blinded their
understandings.
Sir G. CLERK presumed that the men bad been dismissed
from their employment in consequence of the eneertainty which
at present prevailed—( Great cheering from the protecticinists,
which was ot considerable duration, and in consequence of
which it was impossible to hear the conclusion of the sentence )
So great was the uncertainty that trade generally was paralized.
Renewed cheering.) The Hon. Member for knaresborough
had complained that the tariff of 1842 had been productive of
no advantages to those employed in the manufacture of shoes.
Did the Hon. Member mean to say that the introduction of
the material which those persons used in their trade in large
quantities and at a cheaper rate, was not a benefit to them ?
The return of the quantity of hides imported would demon-
strate this fact. In the first year after the alteration, they
had imported above 500,0e0 cwt., in the second year 600,000
cwts., and in the last year 700,000 cwts.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House
divided. when there appeared—.
For the original motion
Against it
Majority for Ministers
On our return to the gallery, we found that the article of
linen had been proposes.
Mr. LAWSON said that as the linen trade was very exten-
sive in the b.,rough which he had the honour to represent, he
should think it unbecomieg in him if he were to remain silent
while he hoard the dearest intereit of his con•tituenes interfered
with. The growth of home flax had enabled the manufac-
turers in this country to compete with the foreigner. He
had no doubt that they would be enabled to do so
after the abolition of the duty, but they could
only do so at the expense of their work people. During the last
autumn he had been waited upon by a body of workmen, who
stated to him that their masters, who were linen manufacturers,
had promised them an increase in their wages of ten per cent.
This promise, however, had Lever been kept, and therefore the
workmen hail turned out. Their masters had informed them
that they were unable to pay the workmen the required ad-
vance, in consequence of the badness of trade. These workmen
applied to him (Mr. Lawson) to give them a subsseption