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'rirow upon them? He (Mr. Williams) thought that, instead
et the Noble Dukes pursuing such a line of conduct as that
Zvharged against them by the Hon. Member for Athlone, they
ight much rather to follow the example of the Right Hon.
i.:::siettyoopfposae, who, seeing the foreign eompetion to which
rnbe manufactures of this country were subjected, and seeing the
putting the country in such a position as to be able
'rela rneet—(Cries of question, question). He believed that he
spesking to the question, and he was surprised that Hon.
toeutlemen opposite were so dull and senseless as not to be able
I see that he was speaking, to the question.—( Hear, bear, and
tasghters) He thought this was a subject decidedly requiring
l,decislon of the 110 use of Comtnons, and he hoped that 1,7. Rouse would give its support to a motion the object of
eei..4 was to rectify its own position with the country. Ile con-
th 'ett that itwas only due to the characters of innocent men that
tileY,bhould be placed in a position of which they were worthy.
%,„..itad expressed his opinion, and he trusted that the House
eoutiuld bear him out in the belief that it was necessary that the
81,trt!!1esuld be put in full possession of the eir_cuams_tanceast.ter
that et_'-lisiERT PEEL was somewhat surprisedttis
who had
had
jsEt
saut6a, been introduced by the Hon.. Gentleman_
iiehse.7e.,carooliwsno.f Ile dtd not understand wnat relation the matter
et ,u had to do with the main subject or the debate. He
putting the motion on its proper bearing, and
the °ld not see what necessary relation there was between
the '"'"tten of the Hon. Member and the main discussion of
etitel'elling,' ''tz• the corn-laws. lie believed the Hon.
laliejman had entirely mistaken the position which he had
esoupittlfs arid he must tell the lion. Gentleman he was most
Rations
elf mistaken, if he supposed himself liable to any alle
11%' of censure on account of the course which he had
sehgiut it his duty to pursue. He was not aware that any
eaeor°Putation had been thrown out against him—he was not
qeonathat any corrupt or selfish motives had dictated his line
kte •",°Lts Re could distinctly say, no such feelir.g had ever
erht•" "us. 110 was not aware that any such motivee had
tst intro imputed to hire. Certain he was that the could
was ferser'ee his conduct at the present moment, y_
Now it
'if thee 'runs Irs desire that the Peers should ever be deprived
rip; Pr
riper influence in the election of Members of the House
hot ren'ts. House
si Portion o lie hoped the day would never come in which
of the Constitution would be d.eprived
'lPret, • Ptunate influence and he was unable to refrain from
imp,,'l siiig his feelings en 'a
subject of so much interest and
ii, ance T,, ~ • e county might have
~,toted h. • , .ne Lora Lieutenant o. a
"6tii is hie to the f ance of his duty,
le ued re, per orm _
C's set e Peet and esteem by its performance.
and might have
-.He might
r,ll t 7. eXarople .f improvement to his labourers, and have
11 iesitwo-retihead of the loos] society,. not. be his affluence but
I._.'er'e of "' and n thing' could extinguish the legitimate in-
-7gree-i; "eh ama that and God forid the day should
~flioneeti real W nh
a's d ir,tue should not]ave their proper
m'cl ex-este—e(llear,ohrteara.n) virtue shouid not have their proper
tlear, hear.) They knew that such an influence
4a try' 6,1 they might also think it unparliame.ntary, u a
adlote cult of respect for the feeling, or inclination, of their
te,.. , will a
&NA it aeupt a particular course, and the less the at-
h) tvereezereising an undue influence was made, the more
*as, th ready to support the feelings of a virtuous landlord.
i,„etsrtsci, 'I; eore, impossible to prevent some influence being
Zhisih:fiuut was there any proof before the House that and
ii; was tlenee had been exercised ? What were theh rounds
sp6litsk 6 Honourable Member went?: That t e
House
lot'Pre e the matter into their consideration ?" If the
"re:i)dereProecidit,.o go upon. grounds like that, there would always
When he (Sir Robert
e o• similar investigation.
11irfe-ltile into the House -the Honourable Member was
ewtarh teeePY 'of a petition presented by the inhabitants of
r repre-
%si Iliottteh --e Duke o Newcastle, with regard to their
4'f til,i Y a distinguished gentleman. On such foundations_
id'edo GetiVelintue would be occupied in these discussions. The
h. sted 0,3 !IN as proof Sir R. Peel) verily believed, had not
oitit,'eli 8,p,, single of any kind—plausible or actual on
Pn7,iria,. motionan could be founded. He produced no
ste.uteg t,is.., y act of interference ; he produced no proof
the hsay to effa any person in power had desired any con-
-44 'too (-,,. tote in favour of any individual. lie had heard
100 M; -serltteman was unable to produce any one fact, but
elll',tted (o''''le extracts from a weekly paper.. If they weret
s' lab,„ g'' on such authority, there would be no end o
it" Ho .4.* Now, with respect to Buckinghamshire, his
%Ito t,Prfurable Friend, the late Secretary for Ireland, felt
,coq -',,t•°l honour due to his constituents, that it was in-
to)rly-P°ll him to resign his seat. 'Whether rightly or
Cs'ilestit'itte ,_(Sn R. Peel would would not take upon himself to
to 4elteo." 41°Iiseht it was difficult to blame Honourable
*s ~ te lin; f°,' entertaining feelings of this nature.f
it her, aed -'eat or constitutional point of view, how-
that to asitted that they were sent there as free agents,_an
15:,,1*44,„111, bent upon them to be, in general, actuated by
mg •-. Qentle•--(Hear, hear.) But they could not blame
ak uittkocrisen if a sense of private honour and personal .ee
tort lie them to overcome these strictly constitutional
lue•fotte,l_, with regard to his Hon. Friend the late Member
tifeet!to,,eituatut t he believed he was_ sent there by his consti-
'4l' 4 alp the existing corn-laws, not at the suggestion.
Ness,theeeeerri b. nt acting upon their own
.feelings and wishes ,
eten"a a di ainlY called upon him to
chargesreign his seat when he
tki: a% h;SNition to support a in the corn-laws:. It
,ISS,rlthis- Ned that the Noble Lord ought to have nisre-
so I? he htiuest, because his constituents could turn round
let'i'efthiehad no right to have given any pledges, hut should
htsts4l th;see.troiten to take what course he thought proper, after
. ~ke'tadisti"usscussions upon particular measures ; but having
lect,.ia, t-enet Pledge that he would maintain, or do his best to
Nl', hi le existi; t corn-laws, there was no other courr
*111444° out to accede to the equest of the majority of his
N,1,4* hilea•---( Hear hear.) On the grounds, therefore,
ercisesee is,, ;uated ' he would oppose the present motion.
"Jeel,,glit h;" the atmosphere ()sphere of freedom. Peers had a per 'et wb..4 Public meetity7 to express their opinions on the
Ite3l, their ,_h Governtreng might think proper to pursnees:
rse'ldtt
p.7..eantry looked up to them as propeer
hgutideo.
,„Ite!'tll.4t.ri et right to do so—there could b
deprecateohie
1110 ',ll,ttiti „---( Hear, hear.) He would therefore.
l "Letll°- °I. any i-npositien on the tree condueth-ot any
sh,',Y o',lcle belonged to aristocracy
Ltls'at eUbr'" home to the noble personages whose names
1/41I' Neie"— been mentioned, the charge of any improper
its ~e the election of a Member of that house, he would
'°ll4i4tßikatittie,(l to enter into the case hut if it was a vain
'ls INs to because of the belief of Hon. Gentlemen, which
4 rt,, • ,t.
So, Per so eel's) opinion it was, and which was without.
fte,,,,Liess 0, undation then he 'or one, as he had before said,
t'4,,,,,,;'.:ilieel4th,!_e_lu'estions which the Hon. Gentleman had
' " eprecisely the same course now a.! he
'es.tdaptilY Pursued. He believed that the course desired
eriroetto" by the House would be a most objectionable arid
lr hste,,,,el: and he should therefore give it his most deter-
t' lest. I.IUNID4--( Loud cheers. )
it*ith 'Oar, •-• tlitl the Mee, would place its If in a most ex-
hotlt PietPle2j'et,',7s by the standing order. which it had passed
,i,:qt44°.th,
or f rots rterence of Peers at elections, and the
or tit w f esent motion. The Right Hon. Baronet had.
th„'See, „asters ,1 ' • that Peers had interfered in
as; tees II ", c. y notorious .
es set %%Jay did the maintam the standing orders?
qxirl ttLe tftte (.4)*
, Raionet hadysaid that he would have been
i•C;..r, 6.ltett \* 11 'Upport of the motion, had the lion. Member
`elletfluseey introduced proofs of Peers' interference. lie
Ills t) le h.._%*',lfilld therefore request his lion. Friend (Mr.
o'lriitiels•r'iiTrle his motion until he was prepared with
C,t'ltle.re th "en he was prepared with those proofs, he
'el e I°°.t h.
ti of that ~ " is most cordial support. The public
~‘tp,ltilkii they did ex st at the present moment, a num.
rSseel-s (sie"'stiluen . which'were subject to certain in-
tt'fspe;mlv wsoei.*hri . hear )c—lewhichwere a direct violation of the
Lees.---th it was expected the Reform Bill would have
r, itiLcted b ear, hear.) One of the first objects proposed to
,tlrot,"rfer nY the Reform Bill was the removal of all impro-.
tlllst,-etts• eieh in the election of Members of the House o;
44'00'141y hat 'till had faded in that respect; he would
Itl ttratraer 1. nnutable man to deny that Peers yet exercised
',*„.er„'‘',.._see. i','lln..a..ry influence in the election of. Members of
`qat '"'nated ''' Were many instances in which Members
ete,,. to that• and returned to that House, under a system
tl'leVine sett,‘:ilich prevailed at the time when borough-
*neat s' 'n vogue.—(liear, hear.) It was true the
tees tis, b.. carried to as great 114
' "t
be
- ' a extent as
.under the
,fateriteightfitits nevertheless, it prevailed to a certain extent.
hee Ye when °t he able to purchase a seat in that House as
lt,
cede teed ten a certain sum might insure election, but still
s ,4 ° a certain extent • ad it was only by scentbringing laer their attention' that they could induce the
to t
"sp,,eotiel_ , e the steps to bring about the reform. Ile
he•trierteee° as he 1.84 commenced Is recommending his
iTisk 8, and bring the subject bete:lel::
es,sier not to press his motion, a' d y
e'• e ilbetuasien
nn additional
another
.oett, NAUMAN CRAWFORD said k
C 44 attention of the House to the abseol
iseeative taking steps to remodel the laws had repeatedly
u rt ee i a
t inecessityhg
t e t of
SN,°: Members of Parliament, but he did notthink that
re:citt4;l4- d ever occurred in that House which show this
'4'l' *ca 'strongly. Here were charges brought by an Hon.
tkitpltS i against certain Members of that House, which Were
c'k,,' 4,ll.4atnre as to demand inquiry by a Committee. He
k`ft,!'s ooTan Crawford) naturally thought that when such
O) etklrde,rtlade that those implicated in them would have
'tf, tiv,:Nl, t.',',a4 owed them, but not one so implicated had got
eltleehlet, "ern. What was the House and country to think
ilt tii,his ecieeilldn the part of Hon. Gentlemen? The impres-
le4ss in thee , and on the mind of the country, would be,
liettileetCe3,*sere true, because if they had been untrue
I•eroeetithededbin them would have felt it incumbent to deny
Oitek4i, 4 tin in their power to do so. The Right. Hon.
~2 ti,,kqe • el) had talked about the legitimate right of
I,,gt ty;:tht-e'llatever statements they liked and to act as
heat "hl,linCl'er• lie for one had no right to abolish the
,it (14: qad i"'Pl• One distinguished Nobleman had said
wh h 4 tight to do what he liked with his own," and
L 44 kkt Nan v ,
Yi,sa ,i,ler, he - ealsviord) was of the same opinion ;
ell' ", 1.4,1 °Net:tea to was, that this right
tit NI "t)r ti; nP in terror to those who de-
.N,,
.over their lkosPlll, At% . subsistence on those who held
‘keciatki 41 sheet ul order that they might act according to
.. a le,. wb,, he
wished a legitimate right to be main-
at let Dish I,`` was ill, it.
st litt % ad been
made by
ahbeolisehned. However the state •
Hon. Member, would sink
tels ski a,t,4e Public mind, baylidt induce 'them to seek reform.
'41014,4 15, d.6'ot represent the eole, but he trusted the
14.114,?.*i.4teit eielt,stra.._ut when it would -fairly represent them,
'O4 VO efel'praetices as those enumerated were
le Pei LLETer
14 kotld, atm ~..;I_,l he should adopt the suggestions of his
St 54 °sea was -;:,tudrasr his motion.
i. gl ilth'AßLi'e,ft withdrawn accordingly.
list! Cc t rti „"TiENTARY RETURNS.
IN se ,aeotte A(l).e. for S. copy of the rules and regulations
l'elt'"Setth Yeas is?t' and an abstract of the operations of the
s, seie ft'l 0, -ooe its reform ; stating the expense under
ke 'tit '', in ''" arnon
1 slte title 'sell nt of coin, and the number of each
"h 'ate Ited e• 3ear ; also for a return of the number of
tit)rec, ife to itS
°I. corninitt Ito prison on a charge of
411-4 44.j4totuhee-ir'4Puou,red . tobacco, or- having adulterated
tZtee of JSI.Y, 1844 ',',°n+ in each of the years ended the sth
S*111.) the erluery I,l,`ue sth d•y of January, 1545, and the
~4; jot(l'l44 ty'l•,*°, stating the number of persons con-
':
. 'Ad "° Pald the penalties, the number who
°I " 14 al the no
tktlie NI, alt" the Weer confined in prison for adultera-
Nef Ist tirYi 1844, number of p rsons in prison on the Ist
t'dteeeeYo• of earili°a'a the Ist day of January, 1845, enact-
rY, 1846, for the offence of adulter
11S J AllO
10% t-qiNi-Nr.,
4.11.
o.4ti satisfeetorn
Sit'lle ` St. he Russ , .-, CONFEDERATION.
* • e h l'sLL en
tie 114 e" the oe" of her 11f se to put a question to the
.Hhoen.
lit, AI: etty soeeenro. t ajeste's Government. He wished_
was reared to lay on the t-
11;tifretir btere informationcoofedeYrati, as to the state of affairs
'.;itthititkttillifli.th ,1:1 EyEtil-,stated.athat he was not prepared at the
th; t' is t4olty te fermation on the subject. There was
%V di rise receiving crimmunications from that s -e,,,Sere cult; • nee
Of its pre.ent situation—so great
tosep sleiettt lndeed, that up." t the resent time
u. 441 in tile
bo.ad upaortedreceived a-ny °official ittormation.of
f't''_'te ito'l to th'l° de la Pia' a. They were, therefore, quite
le L. _ was 4: Position of affairs. In conclusion, he begged
144,4 PA 'Pre
4t„it efl.Sith to give any information on the sub-
tiii*teePPesit `‘SION k
toetir Iltjehri pee whethpr egged leave to ask the Right Hon.,
°*l3 'itlilr'ee and a, any convention had been enterer
, IS ill, pt„,, ,-r!gland respecting the La Plata?
e,l,l,44l).l,3sekiett'. "e said that he cuuld not give any infor-
a let bljs,UßNe,s,
,:t4tot theo'CAN'? DEBATE—CORN-LAWS.
t; telette.P.resettt rose~__ arid said he had been always a sup-
hawinmads.of free trade principles
tteneetilareeot the cot,
ii`T nad not before made any remarks on
tiPliekt.l:xth iilomtitart44l,:e4ltt;l7l,;:ileilthrita:wer;:lie?..njoiitifbilr:didarleele:toseasrmnrieddetnvvitt'as not because he had heard
ahoTthreiumqpubeastnitonou of
yunica.a,
jou)dhit heard much since those
''Y now fatigled doc.trines wigth rePgard to