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to translate the laws into their langsagc. tut they rAlle,
you to send the English schoolmaster among them that tie
may be enabled to understand the laws,.and be guided rigit'ri
by them. Why, in the most despotic States, Russia, isiPt,os
Prussia, and other nations, there existed a more effiesr,,ek•
and general system of education than in this empire.
ee7i,
at our neighbours, the French people. They comml hate
1830 under their present enlightened sovereign, a
tabliet
continued progressively until the present period to es hoe
an unequaled system of education. This sear theylog
voted upwards of 700,0001. for the purpose of educetiota wee
the people, while we have voted only /3,0001. for °lv -sit
purpose. If the schoolmaster had been sent into eYelYii-of
of Wales there would not have been found any eonirad tho
not understanding the administration of the laws,
Welsh people would not have been placed in the laws,.
goSseta
position described by the Bishop of St. David's, that th:gio.
destitute alike in religious instruction and in moral kno
oo„hle
Mr. MORRIS was of opinion that it was highly °"iita
that the English language should be more generallY,ll, tea
Wales, especially as there was now every pro4pect or b
countries becoming more intimately connected frflinosaleo
mutual intercourse being increased. - The only grant in to
fsr educational purposes consisted of the paltry sum of *l-are
the college of St. David's. When he considered the o thee .
amounts which had been given for a similar purfonet to
neighbours, he did think the Welsh people were entitledda
larger participation in the benefits which education "
confer. tent°
Sir J. GRAHAM did not intend to trespass on the at •ect
of the House at any length, nor was he disposed to ohe es,
the general principle as stated by the Hon. Member• the
tirely agreed in the sentiment that the establishment of
national system in Ireland had been a most happy.eirenom hels•
It was true that the Scotch owed the high poaition til'esi) esti/
to their education, and he considered that it would ten"o7.e es'
to further the administration of justice in Wales if a riloi there.
tended knowledge of the English language was introd jar
He did not consider that the Hon. Gentleman had no° poi
rice to the efforts of Government to promote educatiouS, their
the Welsh. After the year 1839, the Government felt4s of
duty to direct their special attention to the moral conaltie'ossr
the people in that district, and it had been their earnes`a, 001
your ever since to secure, especially to the working elasse;tend;
benefits which it was admitted would arise from an obssbes,
education. A national system of education had been es'a;es tits'
in England, Ireland, and Scotland, and he would to "aopsie;
it could also be extended to Wales. Bui, he would not "lied,
That House would accomplish such aas ished-for event. .0, ass,
'ennsider, however, that a sectarian or separate edueati
far preferable to having none at all. In the very district &coo,
to by the Honourable Member, after the report of thebsOol
mittee of Council had been received, there had been est:tobterl
no less than eighty-five schools, and a sum of 10,000/. " 001°
granted for the purposes of education. What he would Pti3 two
would be that a'Committee of the House should send frill t
would be that a'Committee of the House should sefl'l , the
inspectors to inquire into the best means of instruction li.e
English language, and that they should report. to the usse
without delay ; the House could then pursue what e° sir
might.. deem most proper. For his part he wba:
cincerely impressed • with the conviction of to,
sat
importance of the subject introduced ; "-sort!,
therefore most anxious that some means could be lad 01!'t
for carrying out the proposed object. He
sseetoulao:
that the education should not be merely secular. oss„'"
sever the secular from the religious. The difgenV oat r
reconcile the two. It was a difficulty which he fei"toattil
would not despair even to the latest moment of lifeolost .
Government should' absolutely fail in the seem:oo°ot
such an object. If, therefore, the Hon. Member scOlie° coda'_
_,
draw his motion he would pledge himself that the G° toe 5,
should immediately send an inspector to report urnrt
means of effecting the proposed object, and his rep°
be without delay placed upon the table of the House' o,ool°
Mr. WILLIAMS would at once consent to the Prsfirt while
the Right Hon. Baronet, but he would remind Walt" lion
seal,-
235,0001. were granted for the purposes of - e-soe rear
England and Wales, only 2,6761. reached the district
sented, though it contained neatly half a million °el II
While Staffordshire, with something about the
.se to
laden, received 14.0 SOL oy
Mr. WYNN considered he would not be doing'
the landed proprietors in Walesif he did not bear hi',tet.srf,
to their exertions in extending education to the resioenbo
theirs property. In North Wales he could state, front three
' knowledge that there was not a parish without vs° tesisisr,
'schools. The exertions of the clergy 'of the s,„ratiffolei
Church was beyond all praise, and they were, it cragrig
to state, efficiently .seconded by the Wesloans, Bated,Dissentere. In some parishes the schools wereli don
did not know of one in which 'there was any is°st
fes+ed against particular religious opiniots
• toll'
Mr. WYSE rose and said that he was reieieo- fess.
there was such a desire for eduCation in Walesogd' 0at;0.
rejoiced that the Gavernment were anxinns to Ire' asp
sire. Ho had experience in his owe country of t
he
tages of education in the improved habits of the Plots tlf,
formeoperiods that anxiety was not so much.felt. 111 peoP.4
benefits of education were bey ming known' to t !Ire a;
and although the advantages of improved edueatien:lt
fully developed, in about ten years they would oe this eitte:
was not inferior, but that she was superior, to any °I e `e'
try in education. The full benefits were not yet An be
babe°,
but in a short time it would appear in the itnr, or Pie
of the people—in their greater regard ,- soo
w.
perty, in their greater respect for truttbd
their improved habits of -industry, morality, lot °To,
He remembered when the question of education way a qtle'' I
in that House, in the year 1831, that it was thee -eople• tif
whether edncation was a benefit or an evil to the. -coon itr
would be a great anomaly and disgraeeful to tsj fro
when every other portion of Europe had recognlse oesficeo
cis le, and the necessity of giving an education to the 4 oiht
a sound system of morality, that the subject siltater4,
with the warmest support from her !Majesty's Ill'inottesoss
the discussion which formerly took place, it was ad
oat o`,,s
a necessity existed to promote education bY ur'asoo
Members of the House. Though he did notlaY
fixed or general rule that there should be a mined ed
ke eo°;toe
every country, still he thought that the right to Ins to iteSet,
.ions for the purposes of mutual conciliations otqh,toat efoll
all parties to come to an arrangement na "'tea s;O3
where divided interest and divided religion o'loo 0
opposite feeling between the Catholic anti the Protes torts
he for one hoped that there would be a school in Writiee i!ts
Neal to its population. The State made it itoPer.anwerstle
every man should be informed, because • it- made it 11,00
that every one should know the law ; and witheut g.a coo'd,
was hard for them to know the law, and thereby amend t° the
ting crime. It was incumbent on every. GoverWeinot od iof
vance education, and he could perceive that the feet'', le
country was gradually advancing towards a grew
conciliation.
The motion was then withdrawn. jbf
'THE CHARTIST CONVICTS: • sign
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE rose to present a petition. ;of'
822 respectable tradesmen, artisans, and househelder,:"Jeno,ol
for the liberation of the convicts Frost, Williams, ost"oso; o'st
Sir G. -STRICKLAND presented a similar petibusokis
also one signed by the merchants, shopkeepers, of'
weavers, cordwainers, and spinners of Preston. 401; prsa' ti'Mr.
Mr. FIELDING presented a petition with a ;219/tb9
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE again rose, and presentei„aeOl.
tions, very numerously signed, praying for the rei:sonartlr/
Chartist convicts. It would be, the Hon. Genit,i-iree" ose
too tedious to enumerate them all, but be sc°l2;sieltov
names of a few of the' principal petitions fi,o- -011104,
from Exeter, from Bath, from Dundee, ',fre-oiouito'iPf
from Newport, from -altos Granby, uni-,1 bejoo°.
from the town of Leedsether 249 petitions !asi sOO, tobe
safely say that they represented the feelings of ;_sloi
their fellow-subjects. He begged to call the attecried b.,01.'
House to one petition in particular, which wag 51'o 001 ne4,,
of the inhabitants of Abergavenny, as-among,' the :oci
six of the jurymen who tried Frost, William that the'srerl
The 'person who subscribed that petition states tu„"theY sae
the only six of the jurymen that he-
,' ors
fully signed the petition. Three more of the
dead, and two he could not find, and the remoifiii y root t°
could not write. They did not attemt to .11. tr,
petition the conduct of those men—buts they staYiingninot t:st,,°'
the state of the country at the time, and
examples before them, they were humbly of ""
Chartist convicts should be liberated like 4,,her re;hic,
If he could receive the slightest intimation that
tenting 0/
would undergo a favourable attention—the glee ir° o ttr
they demanded on the part of the Government-loots to
say one word, but leave the question of those -Pet C°. P
Government ; feeling that due justice would besesuiri"Sis4
ant with the sound policy which such a derision ibst e,
the Government could give him any assurance °sing the
he would willingly desist from the task' of brine
edit'
beforeSi the Hou. -
r JAMESse GRAHAM said, that Oen.
his feel'
would send in his statement, be would le if the
let hint "o"
not tibeV
on the subject.
cootie' heft
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that it was 5 ire ' 0 r
cumbent that the House of Commons should 4i'eesse6oole
alleged grievances of petitioners. There were someniiar l,r
the House ought to interfere, and there were res, and): the
stances which justified Members for interferin:
tiougotoel
Hewed the present was one of that kind, and high towel
House was bound to do so from the manner in whateverl
were tried. In the first place, he thought t.;-,ed tb,etoori,s'e
had been taken to induce the Government to e"",-ear tri`sors'
of the Crown to those misguided persons. Last sionsose'
without end passed through his hands to the Rig oi the tins!
Baronet for the purpose Of. toeing laid at the f°°!o-atige° le P,l
The Government did not then feel themselves
onto f r
els, toe
ceding to the prayer of the petitioners. He fookingsod°o
state that Government would be justified, tried, to
offence for which the parties were tried and e°fino Flsetei tbee
circumstances- under which that conviction to
sound .°0( dro
once granting a free pardon, which ,would re
s°oo,atirerosPi
credit and their sense of mercy in using the petard esfiorsisj
Crown. He thought that there was a very gei? fact °e 0'1;
i
of public feeling on the subject, and that it was Woilsso;
throughout the country with reference to these mason
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now ask, what was the reason of that widely-eitetn arose alsilo
He believed that it arose from two causes : if the pvi:e tot
doubt that existed in the minds of four-fifths 0.. S st tbmege,'o
of the country, that the conviction had agatiesioub!_st
was not altogether fair. That there was grFs aod toosso
at0$150:;;PA;e0)1
ing their conviction was universally admitteaeek,
was not alone felt amongst the people, buta
lawyers themselves. Of the fifteen ju git was o_s too,
point raised was referred, six were, of opiniOootio befit ea,
while nine decided otherwise, if the objectiond°,,,oth ieres
in time. He had not•the slightest fault to find did Obit psi,
ner in which the trial was conducted; arol a° wealth, 100
duce the subject with any party feeling, aenou_sioo•
d bl pe
would not be entertained during this dis S signs ‘ocest,
Lions which he had presented were generally srol?_°A,
parties and all classes, and many signed the'7l.jot tlfsty tO4,
and charitable motives. He had also to say ,heir t"0050,
of the Crown on that occasion perforrnoecsi tbo- the pi,.0,0%,
manner which did honour.to themselves .4,sat
to which they belonged. He also admitt,c'_ni." Geo-'` :tl
were most ably defended by the Right 1-1° 03 .1
then the
posite, and by the Chief Baron on the e to:11,os
well known that a point was resers_l'dooer
was referred to the fifteen Judges, who
tithes
„vir'7l, 6,7
point. He might as well state whatiol,n_goaPt the WorpoiS jt
was reserved, although he did not think ehe p )
it, for hter''
tleman present would require to know of.,
making pa
defence against similar char letter Poo
was this, that, according to • the
rgsetri:esth trea.s.o t,eir
law, when any penson is indicted fo vAtoe-A be °. st
necessary that a list should be given of
.te°,7onot 5h416,0 r4st
particular period when copies of the blot Li" I,
vered to the parties indicted.
in saying that copies of the indictment weee.s.d. _ hat 01
the same time when the indictment was re Tod of tar but Ors:
the indictment was furnished on Thursdlk: „bieetve ?alai;
Tuesday. No lawyer had any doubt on the
d tbat the good °so,
both must be delivered at one and thesans, e objectiod
was reserved, and six of the judgest. _t it sval The ..d,
was fatal to the trials, and nine decidotri, nos.„o. Tn_s
Now, lie berleieveeedt
hoeishcolcoof
valid, but that it was not made I
0. 77001?
roe a roDirj:°Anb sh so
poi ipeerene
nine positively deciding that
What
coon•dasietthewaospineeioenditoafbltehtco Chhisietfhhearlt
tre,
ode!:
equally so to his understanding. Supkott`rne,_,c ;reoerict;
come before the Chief Baron at the present:_ ,A 5 Sir asvenno
would be of the same opinion es het% oo
would betba: C/oweetiat
Pollock, and the opinion of the Judge
p,_so at
sow:,
seven. Were the trial to have takenaegi_74,,o,
kweo folfr4,,
Bench the prisoner must have beeno t
bad been the Gera'
said said the Judges ?—that if the objectio. snded. n io
it would have been good, and must 7.aeto, in IlissZoi tallehPosis
Lord Brott-°
on had.°' ootdoonolf
Lien of the unhappy oleo,
So
that
nothing
the p
prevented their being liberated.

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