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London, England, 1846-03-11 00:00:00

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0 Cart/Zd Lord of that opinion, that he not only used
Istit, treat and powerful legal arguments in the House of
‘6e meb_at lie alto tried all in his power to get
thei,,,.: released. The House would recollect the feelirg in
Of Weeuttlt.onlind at the time the men were under the sentence
%ali„„ ;_i il.. There was a petition signed by about four.
Ilk tht n
favour of a free pardon. It was not to be denied
intentionkeved..... of the Government was to have the prisoners
44 the the scaffold, it was well known, had been prepared,
lee..
_exescationer was ordered down, and hr was there in
iiicet!liness to exercise his calling. What was it that pre-
-I..v.telL:f
t,' execution? it was well known that but for thet
W 1 hueeeLreople of this country they would most undau it-
jillshistsvi„ 'n executed. So intent were her Majesty's
'ogee , "Pen carrying out the sentence, that Sir Frederiek
fie a
mnad waited six times upon It e Secretary of State for
liitleoi 4 Department, and the result was that he could not he
It4st 'iti 'nit the slightest hopes for a remission of the see-
s. tie:tree .
e 0 After
a 3 he could not make the slightest impression
e.`tt eTti'llt After the sixth interview of the Learned Gentle-
Flisidtettli.e Government, he waited upon Lord Brougham
ite se. l!rnrn, ” I can make no impression on these men, and
IN nnul they will be sacrifice:l.,' The Noble and Learned
b4/' out to him, " Go again and say to them, that if they
Ittipitt the extreme penalty of the sentence, they will be
ls,„ s'i illegally and *unconstitutionally, and the men will be
tiq 'usa!rdred, if executed, for it is against all law." It was
iktrksl at the time,- ;II t the men ought not even to
sett l'ett',l, for they had been convicted against the law of
tMateo it would be. a transpertation most illegally. After
trest`e'leo had keen comn utcd to transportation. fresh
„7.0 l tow's made by the public to prevent that. punish. silent
Neva tied out. The Government said then that if the
?Kr should conduct themselves well while abroad, after a
Zlissllo there might pcssibly be a chance for their having a
L'il lit In' The unfortunate men were sent out to New
6-titith:.e's and they were for two or three years kept work-
IN'7iilt iitle.gang3. It was well known that in this country
ee an amnesty took place upon any great public re-
lkii'y '.-iild they treat prisoners so in Fratice ? England
.was
ZNrsee where, at the times of great public rejoicing,
tle,:kno Pardons granted. On the birth of the Prince
pi, p i:"ere were to be sure some pardons, but not to po•
"'lsf-Geers• Lo dc at France on the occasion of the, ex_
ceb4ll- eoth..he Prince de Joinville, .there was a partiaL amnesty
e ....try, and
itizzt, All of those
political as well as other "eriseners were
those political prisoners e„,„, Bonapartists.
k °some of those who atterat::.od, with Prince Louis
ONdLthe carrying out of a mad attempt to upset the
,zireiefasty of that cuantef. That Prince was not to be
j!'4bee(l, but he hopeet that he soon would be,. as well as
irt!'Qital prisonesrs. The pardon cf Frost, Williams, and
a,tlsset, be lq Accordance with the feelings of the people
. ntry,
16„,ltlik He knew there was great alarm abroad in
%klillkil On this subject. He regretted much two letters
ri'qtat, ?eell written by the Hon. Member for Edinburgh
stituents, wherein he assailed those unfortunate men,
,41 astg them great criminals. He (Mr. Duncombe)deny that they were great criminals, but
illtai%%L,ourable Member for Edinburgh, in these
vilti47l°Slaed that they had not been sufficiently punished.
lii.Sts,orr? hts constituents that the petitioners for the ardon
1 ctatl,l;i 111.1a/--,
e. us and Jones, were men who wanted to cause.a
Odle "Lion in the country. Now, with respect to the pri-
0, - (Mr. T. Duncombe) believed that their object was
IN' g.„reat moral demonstration when they assembled at
Ot, lip la men with arms in their hands it was impos-
Jsklt.sist an his fellow prisoners to restrain. He felt that
Cstlios lentbed r for Edinburgh had acted most unju,tly to.
Cited ,eillen in bis letter, and that he most unjustly cha-
.4lti e`",elargententions of a mass of persons signing the
Ilit, '',,ith he (Mr. Duncombe) had presented to that
1/4Ssne Right Hon. Member slid that the national peti.
kietsgnea by men whose sole object was to. create a na-
SAs ruPtoy, and that to give them their claims would be
Vti ells tu put a razor into-the hands of a man who said he
Lit; eat his own throat. ( Here the Hon, Member read
sla4s.olluded to.) He fat that the Right Hon. Gentle-
klst, roost unfairly used his (Mr. Duncombe's) name in
sits•
1414 ''., and with respect to placing a razor in the hands of a
6..,ll°'*.,lshed to cut his own throat, he (Mr. D.) wished. he
Llikrar the Right Hon. Members hand at the time he
04420 write those letters, for he would most certainly
061:ed hire. the pen.—(Laughter.)
.The Hon. Member
ad the petition, said he did not think
.that that deal-
tlL 'red the name that had been applied to it by the
Ita.:4* Gentleman. It complained of a monopely of the
etoti4 tnenopoly of religion.—(Laughter.) Was there
Ns.?Pol of reigion? If his oourable Fiend, the ,
i•kllk
113 r tiy rminghlam, was present,H hen would say there was
SZ: sieY 'in that. He much regretted the absence of his
Cestill Captain Rous, for he had promised to vote for the
Nip tlse prisoners, and he had written a letter to that
i .411: Wer to an application most numerously and re-
tiAb4%ned by the people of Westminster. He (Mr.
ke)
l 'lle great pleasure to vote for the release of Frost,
41;144 and Jones, and I am sure that they are more likely
iiive a pardon from Sir R. Peel's Government than
(144 4ttler k Ministry." He (the Hon. Member for Fins-
ttettsoj
that opinio also. He was sure that they would have
4t 'snee of pardon through theinstrumentality of the
04411' Baronet than through any other Minister. He
eiN at Sir F. Pollock's conduct towards these men was
listsPettise, and so certain, was he at the time that the
L"itre under the sentence of death, that that sentence
liillsil7 tarried into execution, that he went and took leave
011,,ti1l their prison.—( Hear, hear.) D. had been
aNat it was never the intention of the Go.
Ztl, b„°l that day that those men should be
46' if that had been the case would that Hon. and
eilskmentleman have paid them such a visit ? Supposing
nteaatid Learned Member for Cork had been tried for
tietts°,ll and convicted—and it had been said in that
tli4t eue could have been tried for that offence—supposing
ar' had, would he not have been deprived of that
t ch, in his case, most justly set aside the verdict
of 'ieted him. If Frost, Williams, and Jones, had the
the, al;Peal they also would have had the same issue as in
,taetii that Hon•
and Learned Member. He had said,
,att4l, in all *her rejoicings, released not one of her
de Prisoners. To be sure they had done so in one case,
i'...nere the Canadian rebels as they were termed.
k 47 a Vast difference between the offence of those pri-
Atli° that of Frost, Williams, and Jones. The Canadians
14„.(1 iu arms fighting against her Majesty's troaps—
ssigetti had committed much bloodshed, and had carried
2 for some time through that country; but the unfor-
es
lioners in whose behalf I appeal to you had no such
tt4.l, nor indeed had their offence given such
1,,,,nta, yet how great has not been their punishment.
o,'llld ask was, that the case of Frost, Williams, and
Celd be taken into consideration in proportion as it
found that they had the public voice, the public
tit'‘' and the public wishes with them. He thought he
estlfficient proof that this was the fact, and if he had
ale say he sincerely hoped that the Right Hon.
V„ ,s letild give his most serious attention to the subject.
'itt irsneombe) would not say one word more beyond
"e would add his most ardent prayer to that of the
and he would now conclude by saying that he
q leave to move that an humble address from this
tl, Presented to her Majesty, praying that her Majesty
l ilillteiously pleased to consider the prayer of the peti.
\I.,'DWG in favour of the restoration of Frost,
s,
pi .''''d Jones, to their native land, their families and

li. GRAHAM said he should be extremely sorry indeed 1
tit
•-tting this motion, one word should fall from himNeti
or ill f 1. g —( Hear, hear.) '
4,14te„ e(l)ywaiethrimtohneyNoble Membereein opposite', thc they
Ilt '_teach consideration of this question coolly and'
.1,,
(1,-71 the • hout the sli htest regard.. to art or
1114i7I'Ye'iscaensd, ?Hear, hear.)g On the, Kroundphe y(Sir
i‘ot ) regretted that the Hon. :".:..temb'er should have
)'oll,,i_lieessary, in support of his e7,•gument, to have thrown
IVO Ll4nee other cases of a so-diewhat similar description
Seitilven regarded more or ' c:s favourably. He was ready
li,:lit,,:le: the number of petitionsi. which. had been presented
‘74,,,111)011 this sull;ject were very large.—( Hear, hear.)
N,ti,c,"ititit also. ':nat the memorial to her Majesty, which
OLil Led lass • in favour of Frost, Williams, and Jones,
4 • . year,
11114„11:i a very large portion of the working classes.
ItNilbleund to say that the course which the Govern-
ciist p taken with reference to those convicts, was the
Voltesentations made upon the most mature considera-
N. L' et "• circumstances of this peculiar case. He did not
„ePetency or the right of parties to interiere for a
liti
Satlak,;f, this sentence, but he would say that in a.',', cases of
titi
shouldremiss i
obne
itii4lkat I;tie4tlce discretion or re remission s i :tine such of
interferencesentencth.2
Wlt' should ybuendsetrritcatkieso,t.au,rdv.
etdhe linen allof e demarkatione;wiere
L Lki),l4 tatilti benevolent prt4oga-tive w.as exercised, all the
~t v, ease should he carefully considered and well
ei responsiblz• agent of the Government. In the
\,..lltsk. \e woraa not shrink from that reiponsibility.—
LleticY The Hon. Member in his speech had described
,1,N,,,4 as misguided and unfortunate men. That they
ts '"ed he fully concurred with the Hon. Member, for
tkekh,ting unde th directions of those who should have
.tke:4tter advice; but that they were unfortunate he
k_. t,Ll4e!•heir lives
.had been spared. Taking into con*
‘1114,4
Nki,' crimes of which they had been convicted, which
tllkt to the punishment of kleath, he dirt, can-
t 14144,s they were fortunate in not. taving the
CA the,_e of. the law carried out, but to have
klityr_ecrimes with a less punishment than
.that
tk\,l 1,, iirliroho nowda urnocluesr g
courseong: wteou Id , te. toTheeitvtehd,
Iklariktur ~Ithenrgeemission of their sentencePqrll. was satr,mge
ti: 45 admitted, but he did not agree with the Hon. ,
\ !laill't they feeling was
huniversal. But he begged to 1
la /41:k4\4;)elureas We ho eneirt;rteari
at e
da that
hteh
oe
prem7oans,
tahaltatte
sentence
co:
\ ej, and sb.ould not be remitted. Her Majesty's
\4l
Nlik„' entertained the same opinion, and they had the
\pt
1N 14,7 e that justice had been done. The ILnourable
rtV tl,;. stated that this Conviction ;as rot a legal oua,
IL\,l4lZt_ated very clearly and accurately *the point of law
A, .4, e.). raise 'a in favour of the convicts ar. the Special
alfil liki liLlt it should be remembered, that though the
Iv 144 been accused of high treason, every ad-
VLa . been afforded them, such as getting
.It Witnesses, copies of the indictments,
th
Itkht% .R.Wit well known that preceding the trial the
anxious to have copies of the Indictments as
iglu'iit after the bills had been found by the grand
1/41tOis'enlicitor-General, who appeared on behalf of the
tltiFiet sally anxious to do so, and accordingly they hatl
N , 4,1„ days before the last day for granting them,
10\ ti,; 11l rifer?ad the lists of the witnesses within the limited
'oll,ttunce to this subject, the point raised at the
I NllOl. \,,,'e delivery of the copits of the indictments and
‘I: Ladtnesses were net simultaneous—that was the i
liou,l,le,eert reserved. The Hon. Member hid said,
killt wiirt4
.a right of appeal in criminal eases. as well
do as
ttl',e had Instanced. Now. he (Sir J. Gra-
t,l.lth out tt "'A in reference to this point, he never
k4l
khov„. .re expectation that there should be an
Lata,o7; jutuded.te in cases of this description, Now
kto c th,''Llt:in arrived at by the fifteen Judges in re-
`Ne of 1)3.19t reserved ? It was this—nine out of the
40„Miff that if the objection had been taken
SINT, Aftee'n"iwuod,,,ded have been a valid objection, but the.
1,1/4.%tsi:l had been' sos weretaken,
eostulotpitnhiaotn thatwoa would
/litiNmit!_tio,".._a Postponement of the trial.—( Hear, hear. )
litos°44ii!, tirepernat his observation, that, considering all the
ztk,,,_th, fv2l_, s.tauces under which the prisoners were
1 \:kktetht7rri,ec_t_ that the extreme sentence of the law had
"k. iklestlit."Lagainst them, they had been most fortu-
VtL . 4 ,raber
nue nowt ame to the next point made by
). teerely :ntele, at this offence should have been
\tis
kttlll4. Co , ' a moral demonstration in favour of
kit ,ot-,41lli;1„13E begged to explain what he had stated
S? r. 64,,a1ti,„:4* of people came down from the hills, for the
ckt4 t.V„,,,tnoral demonstration.
, 'tea l'iat I,,'''l said he understood the Hun "
lit
%let (s! t° 'take a moral, demon."- 1
osember tei ' 4 e 14ct Sir J. Grah ,ki
._ll,l , .4 of ti,_
... am) •
....anon. Now this
..`4;.. ne ‘.... . 'it '
call the recollection of the
t, kit, el • . ~, -..n3aCtilltl, d 4 they were elicited at
4,4'
I L. ii' `0
ill" arsrvued'' , 'tl them that he entirely concurred
I,.stt:sorbekt this ~.,t by the jury. It would be rememe
to tt'ol,6 .distri6di in the mining districts of South
kit‘iti th ktPe-h1(44 Wier Prevailed) wages were low, the
, ,11 a; °se i.i.-eell ,ete
.high, and general disaffection ap-
N04,44,;:tt1a t,.,i7Yllng Mlil it was under those circtlm-
LNtitto
tt!,tin
~,th,a%
been arranged that Frost, Williams,.
-7), ~._ !eel._ Fen with others, were to divide them-
'"b go, cut Parties, each hmided by one of those,
'POLO a descent upon the town of Vew-