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SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 2, 1848.

Mr. IZAcvsow, jun., of Manchester, entered his pro-
test against them and the whole proceedings of the
meeting, and intimated that further proceedings
might be expected to be taken.
A vote of thanks was then unanimously carried to
the chairman and directors, and the meeting ..e-
-parat ed.

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY.
(THIS DAY.)
AFTERNOON SITTING.

At the assembling of the delegates this afternoon,
Mr. KYDD explained the result of his mission to Ire-
land in company with Mr. Leach. He said on their
arrival in Dublin they waited upon Mr. Patrick O'Hig-
gins, who had identified himself with the Chartists
of England, and was the most likely person to aid
them in accomplishing the object of their mission.
Through his instrumentality they had an interview with
the council of the Irish Confederation, who were as
anxious to see them as they were to see the council.
Mr. Doheny, Mr. Smith O'Brien, M.P., Captain O'Bren,
Mr. John Mitchell (United Irishman), Mr. Gavan
Duffy, and all the old members of the council, were pre-
sent, and the first question put to them was—" What
terms of union do you propose with the Irish people?"
They answered that they had no distinct line of policy to
propose,but that they came there with the view of instruct-
ing the Irish people in the principles of the Charter, and
stated that the English Chartists had a feeling of sympathy
in common with the Irish people, and wished them God
speed in the political movement in which they were
engaged. Several of the members expressed themselves
in favour of the Charter; and Mr. Smith O'Brien said
he would support some of the points; and, judging from
the sympathy which they experienced, they had good rea-
son to hope that the majority of the leaders of the Irish
people would soon be as democratic in their views as the
Chartists. A public meeting was held in the Prince's
Theatre on Easter Monday, and although the press in
London called it a failure, nearly 1,000 persons paid for
admission to the gallery, and a resolution in favour of the
Charter was passed without a single dissentient voice.
He urged the people at that meeting to adopt the People's
Charter §,s the basis of the Irish constitution, when they
obtained the repeal of the legislative union; and told them
if they did not they would have to submit to the rule of an
aristocracy and a moneyocracy, and from what he saw
during his visit, he was of opinion that the general feeling
was in favour of the Charter. The meeting was honoured
by tho presence of two special reporters from Dublin Castle.
At a private meeting afterwards held 50Z was collected for
the purpose of establishing a branch Chartist Association
in *Dublin. He stated in conclusion that he had witnessed
many scenes of poverty and distress both in England and
Scotland, but never bad he witnessed such deplorable
destitution as was to be seen in Ireland. He met as
many as 25 persons sleeping on a turnpike road in the
vicinity of Dublin, where they had been all night,
having no home to go to, and he was told that they
were in the habit of carrying straw on their backs and
laying down in the road or in the fields whenever they
were weary.
Mr. J. CUMMING (Edinburgh) said the people he
represented were beginning to lose faith in moral force
agitation, but moral force, he thought, was the only
means by which could be obtained the constitutional
rights of the people to make their own laws.
Mr. H. Rasauzi (Edinburgh) said the Chartists of
Edinburgh and Leith were determined to support what-
ever steps might be taken by the Assembly, and were
indifferent whether they were within the pale of the law
or not. At a public meeting held there they agreed to
form a national guard of 16,000 persons to put down
prevent foreign interference,
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the Assembly concerning the state and feelings of the
people, and the progress of the movement, in their re-
spective districts:—Messrs. M'Douall, (Nottingham),
Childs (London), M'Grath (Hanley), Leach (Manches-
ter), Donovan (Manchester), Hart (Wiltshire), West
(Stockport), Hardy (Warrington), Hobbs (Hanky),
Hoyle (Salford), and Soden (Birmingham), and a num-
ber of other delegates.
The Assembly then separated.

About forty--eight delegates were present at the
sitting, and the short-hand writers continue their at-
tendance, Messrs. Bennet and White being present to-
day. Since a penny has been charged for admission to
the gallery the number of strangers has fallen ofE

MORTALITY in the METROPOLIS.

NUMBER OF DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES REGISTERED IN

THE WEEK ENDING SATURDAY, APRIL 29, 1848.
Epidemic, Endemic, and Contagious Diseases ... 238
Diseases of Uncertain Seat ... ... 35
Turbercular Diseases... ... 219
Diseases of the Brain, Nerves, and Senses... ... 105
Diseases of the Heart and Blood-vessels 34
Diseases of the Lungs, and other Organs of
Respiration ... 148
Diseases of the Stomach, Liver, and other Organs
of Digestion... ... ... 48
Diseases of the Kidneys, &c.
Childbirth, Diseases of the Uterus, &c.
Diseases of the Joints, Bones, and Muscles
Diseases of the Skin,
Malformations..• ... ••• ...
Premature Birth •• •l_
Atrophy
Old Age
Violence, Privation, Cold, oi Intewperance ... 16
Causes not specified ...

... 10

DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES

•• 966

Pormlatien Average weekly Deaths
Enumerated, Deaths, 1843-7. In the
1841. Five Springs. Week.
West Districts... 300,711 . . 143 ... 167
North Districts.. 375,971 .. 182 ... 168
Central Districts 373,653 ... 171 ... 127
East Districts ... 392,444 ... 199 ... 224
South Districts .. 501,190 ... 248 280

Totals... ..... 1,948,425 ... 943 ... 966
Males ... ... ... ... 515
Females ... ... ... ... 451

deriek's-place. Old Jewry; Baylis and Drewe, Redcross-
street, Cripplegate.
Daniel IN-lardy, innkeeper, Aldmondbury, Yorkshire,
May 12 and June 30, at eleven, at the Leeds District
Court. Freeman, official assignee, Leeds; Bowden and
Co., Aldericanbury-, London; Sykes, Milnsbrid,c, and
Hellawall, Huddersfield; Bond and Barwick, Leeds.
Henry Bertram, wine merchant, Eizabeth-street,
Pimlico, May 12, at two, and June 10, at twelve, at the
Court of Bankruptcy. Follett, official assignee, Sam-
brook-court, Basinghall street; Robinson, Half Moon-
street, Piccadilly.

Edward Hall; packer, Manchester, May 16, and June 6,
at eleven, at the Manchester District Court. Fraser,
official assignee, Manchester; Rickards and Walker,
Lincoln's Inn-fields; Buckley, Ashton-under-Lyne.
Elizabeth Mary Headland. boarding-housekeeper,
Harley-street, Cavendish-square, May 12, at twelve, and
June 10, at half-past eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy.
Green, official assignee, Aldermanbury ; Burrell and
Co., White Hart-court, Lombard street.
William Potter, merchant, Birkenhead, May 16, at
eleven, and June 7, at one, at the Liverpool District
Court. Cezenove, official assignee, Liverpool; Sharpe
and Co., Bedford-row, London ; Lowndes and Co., Li-
verpool.
"'Thomas Smith, dealer in China, Portsea, May 12,
at half-past twelve, and June 19, at half-past one,
at the Court of Bankruptcy. Turquand, official
assignee, Guildhall-chambers, London ; Taylor, Pave-
ment, Finsbury,
Samuel Berry, grocer, Barnstaple, Devonshire, May
18, and June 8, at one, at the Exeter District Court.
Hernaman, official assignee, Exeter; Perkins, Bristol;
Stevens, Fearou, and Gosling, Gray's Inn-square,
London.
James Ke) mer, warehouseman, Lawrence-lane,
Cheapside, May 12 and June 19, at half•past eleven,
at the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee,
Coleman. street, City ; Brisley, Pancras-lane, Cheapside.
William Webb Ward, metal dealer, Stafford, May 16
and June 20, at eleven, at the Birmingham District
Court. Valpy, official assignee, Birmingham; Bowen,
Stafford.
William Floyd, victualler, Tavistock, May 18 and
June 8, at one, at the Exeter District Court. Herne-
man, official assignee, Exeter; Stogdon, Exeter; Ked-
dell, Baker, and Grant, Lime-street, London.
Richard Beanlands, inn-keeper, Halifax, Yorkshire,
May 12 and June 30, at eleven, at the Leeds District
official assignee, Leeds; Williamson and
London; Norris and Norris, Halifax;
Horsfall and Harrison, Leeds.
• Robert Woolaton, brickmaker, Stamford, Lincolnshire,
May 12, and Juno 16, at twelve, at the Birmingham
District Court. Bittleston, official assignee, Notting-
ham ; French, Stamford, Bowley, Nottingham.
John Dacey Jeffery, apothecary, Sichnouth, Devonshire,
May Is, and Juve at one, at the Exeter District Court.
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London.

MARKET INTELLIGENCE.
(From the London New Price Current of May 2.)
Sucs.u.—To- day there was much firmness in the raw
Sugar market—the home trade were desirous to further
increase their stocks, and holders refrained from largely
supplying the market. West India Muscovado met
with a brisk demand for both the pan and scale, the
rates obtained were in all cases ,6d per cwt above
those of Friday. The operations would have been
on a larger scale in all sorts, had holders been more
disposed to sell. The first public sale this season of New
Barbadoes, consisting of 150 hhds and 12 tierces, went off
with animation, and at the full valuations, fine yellow
realised6d, 0
142: 3 to 445,
o4t4s, good 40s to 41s 6d, middling 38s to
39s 37s
6d
per cwt ; the quality in every
respect was equal to last season. The total purchases
amount to 700 hhds and tres.
REFINED.—Tc-day thedemand was active for refined
goods for home consumption, and prices further advanced
for all sorts, brown grocery lumps realising 53s 6d to
545, and Stand and Lumps 54s 6d to 55s per cwt. For
Bonded Crushed export orders are on the increase, and
prices have advanced to 27s to 28s per cwt for first sort.
EAST INDIA.—This afternoon Penang Sugar was
sought after, and at auction 1,373 baskets, 447 bags sold
at stiffer rates—very low brown went at 24s to 26s 6d,
middling 275, good and fine 28s to 31s 6d, low yellow
32s to 33s 6d, middling 34s 35s 6d. Bengal met with a
good demand, and at the public sales of 4,835 bags, a
rise in the value of 6d to is per cwt took place; tine white
Benares fetched 43a to 445, good 4ls 6d to 42s 6d, mid-
dling 40s to 41s, low 39s 6d, damp and washed 37s to
43a 6d, middling soft yellow 35s to 365. The whole found
buyers.
MAURITIUS.—This afternoon the demand was active
for Mauritius Sugar, and at the public sales of 5,777
bags prices advanced 6d per cwt. Privately several par-
cels have been sold, and at similar rates.

FOREIGN.—To-day several enquiries existed for Fo-
reign Sugar, but holders asking a furtner rise prevented
business of moment in the private market. None was
offered at auction.

MOLASSES.—To-day West India met with a brisker
demand, and realized better prices, fine Antigua sold
at 19s.

COCOA..—To-day, at public sale, 284 bags of Bahia
were taken in at 37s to 38 for fine bright red, but
damaged sold at 32s to 34s per cwt. _ _

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festedertsks
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barrels
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tA9of62ds to Jamaica of the new crop, the rates
perseows t6dr
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and
fine ord 37a 6d to 40s, fine ord 34 to 35s 6d, good ord
30s to 325, low ord 24s to 29s 6d, and triage 18s to 22a.
In the private market a fair business was concluded in
good ordinary Ceylon at 30s per cwt.
TEA.—There has been more inclination manifested to
operate in Congou of all descriptions; no :improvement
is, however, apparent in the value. Purchases to a fair
extent have been made, and holders do not appear so
desirous to sell ; the rates obtained are 6d to
lid for low to good ordinary. In Green the
sales made are upon a more extended scale, and
prices have ceased to decline; there is also not so large
a quantity on offer. The value of Hyson, of low
quality is is to is 2d, Twankay 5d to 6d, Gunpowder,
Canton 10d to is 3d and Imperial 9d to is per lb. For
public sale 7,000 pkgs are declared.
RICE.—To-day there was less desire manifested to do
business in East India. At auction 2,053 bags of
Bengal were sold at a decline on former rates of 6d per
cwt; fine white rather dusty went at lOs 6d, good lOs to
103 6d, and damaged 6s to 10s. Privately there was little
passing in any sort.
SPIRITS.—Te-day Leeward Island Rum was dealt in
with caution, and sellers are ready to accept is 8d to
13 Bid for good. East India is much in request, and
Is dd to Is 7d is the value. Of Jamaica only small
parcels found buyers at 3s 5d to 4s for low and good 30
to 36 per cent. over proof, and fine 4s 2d to 4s 6d. For
50 puss Demerara, 38 over proof, 35 Id to 3s 2d was
accepted.
COCIIINEAL.—This afternoon more desire was mani-
fested in Cochineal. At auction 114 bags Honduras
were sold at Id to 2d advance for the better sorts, and
at former rates for inferior—low to middling silvers
fetched 4a to 4s 3d, good and fine 4s 6d to 45 9d. 25
bags Mexican blocks were taken in at 4s 7d per lb.
SALTPETRE.--Today there was little desire evinced
to do business in Rough, and the market was better sup.
plied. At auction 1,727 bags Calcutta were all taken in
about the former value. The market closes with a very
dull appearance.
INDIGO.—The quantity of East India declared for the
9th instant has been increased to 7,367 chests. In the
position of the market there is not the least improve-
ment to make known, as the demand for all purposes
continue to be extremely limited. In Spanish there has
been little passing, and prices are on the decline.
OILS.—In the value of Fish Oils little variation has
taken place since our last report, but there is no im-
provement to notice in the demand for any purpose, and
arrivals are upon a more extended scale. The pur-
chases made in Cod have been trifling at 251 to
25/ 5s per tun, at these rates holders are inclined
to realise. Seal has been operated in with much
caution,
eanrdeadpyritcoesaccteenpdt
241 downwards. Of all kinds
theen el: ura
2p3apirly 15 good. Southern is not much required, and
lOs to 261 for good and
to 241 for low and middling quality. For
fsils
Sperm the market has a dull appearance, and holders
are willing to realise on account of the increasing stock.
The low rates that prevail for Linseed Oil have attracted
attention, on the spot a good demand has been found
for home consumption, and purchases to a fair extent
have been made by exporters. Rapeseed Oil is not much
in demand. Olive met with little attention, and prices
are receding. Cocoa Nut met with little attention, and
the stock is on land increase. Of alm there
makersae
v a ltsh, e
value. sellers
Of
f Groundare willN iuntg
Oilto 91
casks
Flemish at auction went at 383 3d to 39s for fine
concession several ar n
quality, Lard Oil is dull of sale at 46s to 48i per ow t.
re stillhase
at the
thtomwuncha s
TALLow.—There are sellers of Russian on the spot
lar'oerdaeuecltairoend.2o tons of Cocoa Nut, and 100 tuns Southern
country trade have made caution,
and
cwt is the value of fine P Y
and 49s to 495 6d per
little passing, and sellers
the year there has b. 69.
upon further reduced terms,
Home-made is not much
are ready to accept_e 4
obtained at 49s net cash, which
Candle. For deliveryeeinn the last three months of
there is an increasedquantity
For other descriptions a further fall in the
ou offer.
s the supply exceed the wants
value is apparen., a
arerqeuilrnewd,eranrdatecsr
public sale 21,4 casks of New
of the trade. At
sold
South Wales were chiefly so ; 138 casks of P.Y.
part found buyers at 48s to
Candle only in ,ll 445• 90 casks Odessa ox
495; 27 casks of Soap la ow_
Fat
andb
10d per stone. The stock of Tallow is not much smaller
• es are still higher, and arrivals
than last year, but prices were taken in at 495. Rough is dull uf sale at 2s
show an iucrease. For public sale 300 casks are declared.

Accounts from St. P etersburgh give a summary of
the returns of gold delivered from the mines of the Ural
The quantity of gold produced in the royal
Mountains, clarity* the half year ending the 31st Decem-
ber last.
mines during that period had been 60 puds. 271bs.
77 801. 79 parts. The private mines had product(' 101
puds. 241h5.,
aol. 76 parts. The quantity of platinu
obtained from the Crown properties and from private
mines had been Bibs. 92 sol. 17 parts. The royal and
private mines in the Altai Mountains, and in East and
West Siberia had produced, in 1847, 1,434 puds. 121bs.
57 aol. of gold; and the district of Nertsehinskinche
25 puds., making a total of 1,780 puds. 371bs. 69 sol. for
the year 1847, independently of the silver obtained
from the Altai Mountains and Nertschinskinehe, which
amounted altogether to 168 puds. 25Ibs. more than in
1846.
A provincial postmaster writes thus to the Eagle
.(New York) Sir—Your papers directed to Leonidas
J. iuks are not taken from this office. Mr. Jinks died
tour years ago, and since has not called for them."

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF COMMOKS, May 1.

THE BALLOT.
Mr. IL BERKELEY gave notice of his intention
to move, on l'hur?,day, the 11th of May, that it was
expedient, in the future election of Members, that the
votes should be taken by way of ballot.
ALIEN BILL.
Lord D. STUART gave notice of his intention, in
Committee on the Alien Bill, to move an amendment
on certain clanseq.

The Earl of LINCOLN presented a petition from
Linlithgow, in favour of the Site of Churches (Scot-
land) Bill.

Air. MACKINNON presented a petition in favour
of the Health of Towns Bill.

IMMIGRATION OF FREE LABOURERS
INTO THE WEST INDIES.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then
rose to move a vote of 200,0001. for the purpose of the
immigration of free labourers to the islands of Trinidad
and Guiana. He believed that all were aware of the
importance attached to the immigration of free labourers
to the West Indies on the coast of Africa, and the
object of this vote was to further that immigration, and
to defray the expenditure that had already taken place,
which he believed was about 166,0001.
Mr. BARCLAY said, it might perhaps appear un-
grateful on his part, but he felt bound to tell the Go•
vernment that the loan would not enable the island to
compete with those colonies where free-labour sugar
was produced. This loan was the only measure that
her Majesty's Government could introduce for the
benefit of the colonies, but he hoped the House would
not labour under the impression that temporary ex-
pedients of this nature were calculated to improve
in any material way the condition of the colonies.
li At all events he was quite convinced that they would
never enable the colonies to compete with
slave-growing states; and he, therefore, trusted that
the time was not far distant when the House
would condescend to take into its serious con-
sideration the . present deplorable state of
the colonies. How was it that the colonists could
not raise this money upon their own security ? Why,
simply because an impression prevailed that the
colonies were to be left to their fate, and were never
more to be taken under the fosteringcare of that House.
The House should not think that it was doing an act
of great generosity in voting this grant.
Mr. HUME agreed with a great portion of the
Hon. Gentleman's address, but particularly with that
portion of it in which he stated that the colonies
had been greatly injured by the mismanagement
of the Colonial-office ; but he rose to
oppose the grant on other grounds, and he should
divide upon it. By the rules of the House no money
should be spent by the Government without the
consent of the House, except in cases of extreme
emergency, like that for which the 5,000/.
was voted ; but since 1844 the Colonial-office
had entered into negotiations with the colo-
nies by which the House had been pledged to
vote large sums of money for their use. For instance,
when the Court of Policy of Trinidad desired to raise a
loan and could not do so, the Colonial-office stepped
into their aid, and pledged the House to in-
demnify them. It was utterly fallacious—it was
a perfect delusion to suppose that, as these
colonies were situated at present they would
ever be enabled to repay ls. of any sum
that might be lent to them. There was a
time when they could have done so, but their credit
was now gone, and such; was the deplorable financial
condition of the colony, that the Government had
been compelled to curtail their expenses by reducing
the emoluments of their servants. Therefore, if they
advanced the money, they might as well do so as
a grant, for none of it would ever be repaid.
The Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Gladstone)
was not lesss culpable than any of his predecessors,
for he sanctioned the immigration of coolies at an ex-
pense which he pledged this country to defray by
loan. He (.‘lr. Hume) wished to see the colonies
left to their own management, and free from the in-
fluence of the Colonial-office; let them employ
whom they liked, pass what laws they liked, and
pay what salaries they liked; do not interfere
with them, but make them responsible to the
mother country. He, therefore, begged to move
that the grant be postponed until the report of the
Committee on West Indian Affairs was before the
House, and they were informed of the intentions of
the Government respecting them.
Mr. GLADSTONE confessed that the repayment
of the money would be questionable, and agreed
with the Hon. Gentleman that as a matter of economy
the hest way to bring that about was to leave matters
to the transaction of the colonists themselves.—
(Hear.) Whatever gratitude the West Indian
islands owed for the aid afforded by the Government,
or whatever responsibility attached to it, neither he
nor Lord Stanley were to blame, as-it was not afforded
during the time they held office. j_
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that it was perfectly correct that the present;propo-
sition did not originate with the late Government;
but they adopted the measure for the immigration of
the coolies into the West Indies, out of which the
necessity for the present loan originated.
Sir R. H. INGLIS said that whatever might be
the opinion with respect to the recent equilization of
the duty on sugar, it bad been productive of the greatest
of evils to the West Indian colonies. Notwithstand-
ing the injuries the colonists had sustained, he believed
that they still entertained the best feelings towards the
mother country, and be thought that the House would
be only acting right in agreeing to advance the sums
which were required for the purpose of mitigating the
evils under which the colonies were at present suffering.
He trusted that there would be no opposition to this
grant. If the colonies were compelled to pay all their
expenses, they would cease to look upon this country
in a parental light.
Mr. ROBINSON thought that the House of
Commons ought not to be called upon to vote
200,0001. for the purpose of immigration before it had
the report of the Emigration Committee. For aught
they knew the report of that Committee might be
against any further emigration to these colonies, and
on such doubt it was rather too bad to take out of
the pockets of the bard working people of this
country so large a sum as 200,0001.
Mr. HUME called upon the Government to post-
pone this vote for a short time in order to enable the
House to have before it the report of the West India
Committee.
Mr. WILSON thought there was very little
chance of the report of the West India Committee
being laid on the table of the House for some weeks
to come.
Mr. HERRIES said that he would not enter into the
question of responsibility, and as to the amount of the
sum proposed, 166,0001., it was hardly worth while dis-
puting about it. He believed that the expenses were
usefully incurred; and had it not been for the informal
nature of the documents, the colonists would have given
security for the sum themselves. The nature of the
expenses was twofold; expenses already incurred, and
expenses to which they should be liable in order to
enable the colonies to carry on the system of immigra-
tion, pending the reception of the report. It would be
partly the duty of the Committee to decide whether such
a system should be upheld; and if the Chancellor of the
Exchequer would confine his vote to the sum of 166,0001,
and would leave out that part of it which was prospec-
tive, he would be quite prepared to support him. But
if he insisted upon the whole sum, then be should be
disposed to vote with the Hon. Member for Montrose.
They had been told that they were not to expect the
report for two or three weeks; well, if such were the
case, the question was not such an important one that it
could not be adjourned until that time.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
he had not the slightest wish to pledge the House to
any expenditure over that which had been already in-
curred. The objection which he had to confining the
amount of the vote had been given by his Noble Friend.
They could not tell the precise amount of their liabilities,
and he might have come down to the House and asked the
House at a future day for a further sum of two, three,
or four thousand pounds. He was perfectly ready to
pledge himself that no additional expenditure should
take place until the sense of the House had been taken
upon the subject.
Mr. BARKLY said, that when the first intimation
was given of this grant, Lord Grey wrote a dispatch to
the Governor of British Guiana, authorising him to
draw drafts for the purposes of African immigration.
Dr. BOWRING said that the authority of the Go-
vernment bad been given fcr the outlay of a very large
sum of money before the sanction of the House had been
obtained for such a proceeding—a course which was
exceedingly irregular.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HAWES said that the question lay in a very
narrow compass, and if it was possible to fix any precise
cover for the expenditure, he was of opinion that would
be very desirable. Tho history of the transaction was
simply this:—ln 1844 Lord Stanley yielded to the press-
ing solicitations of the West Indian colonists, and as-
sented to this proposition on the assurance that they
would make good the expenses that had been incurred.
Matters remained thus when his Right Hon .Friend, Mr.
Gladstone, accepted office, and he, on the same assu-
rance, consented to a continuance of the system, and
immigration ordinances were passed, both in British
Guiana and Demerara. These ordinances were per-
vaded with great defects, limiting, as they (lid, the rate
of interest on the capital to be raised. The consequence
must, however, be the stoppage of immigration until the
necessary funds were raised by the colonies. British
Guiana had raised upwards of 100,0001., which was
expended in the payment of the then existing
; and Trinidad furnished a sum of 50n,000/.,
which was spent in a similar way. Such was the state
of circumstances when, in the course of last year,
Lord Grey gave his sanction to the policy thus
introduced, and the colonies incurred liabilities to the
extent of 166,0001.—that was to say, so far as was yet
known.—(Hear, hear, from Mr. Hume.) The figures
here stated showed the amount of debt which they were
actually aware had been contracted ; but in order to
guard against unlimited liability, or any unwise expen-
diture on the part of the colony, the whole sum proposed
by Lord Grey, to be allotted in the manner in question,
was limited to 200,0001. Of this 166,0001. had been
actually expended, and the liability might probably
amount to 10,0001., or 20,0001, more, always, however,

" keeping within the 200,000/. If this vote were to be
postponed, then the e fiaet would be to put an inimediate
stop to cooly immigration. The hue of policy which
would be advanced by the House assenting to his pro-
posal was one which had been sanctioned by titre e
successive Governments. At present the colonies of
Jamaica, Trinidad, and Demerara, were pressing for a
supply of labour from the coast of Africa (as we under-
stood), and, accordingly, a number of liberated Africans
had been conveyed to our West Indian colonies, instead
of being taken to Sierra Leone or other settlements on
the African coast, while no further contract for the
conveyance of hill-coolies would be entered into. The
200,0001. now asked for would, it was thought, cover
all the expenses which had been incurred, sad no further
sum would or could be demanded.
Mr. CARDWELL said that there were two questions
before the Committee. The Honourable Gentleman
opposite had spoken truly when be said that successive
Secretaries of State had sanctioned the immigration of
coolies. So far one of the qaestions in discussion was
disposed of. But that which remained was a question
of advancing our credit for the promotion of this immi-
gration—a policy which successive Secretaries of Stme
had not sanctioned.—(Hear, hear.) It was true that
Lord Stanley in 1844 had sanctioned immigration upon
the credit of the colonies, and his Right Honourable
Friend near him had pursued the same course of policy.
Again, last year, the colonies were empowered to raise
money upon their own credit, but with a pledge that it
should be guaranteed by the credit of this country. But
this was the first time that they had been called upon to
consider whether they should pledge the credit of the
empire to guarantee the credit of the colonies.—
(Hear, hear.) At present there was a Committee
sitting which had presented to the House, in six
successive reports, all the evidence taken before it, and
which was now about to deliberate upon its final report.
If that Committee should report that the West India
colonies were so much depressed that we ought to come
forward with the guarantee of this country, then the
' question might be legitimately considered ; and if the
House should decide in favour of the claims of the
colonies, he hoped they would be well aware that the
step which they would be then about to take was no un-
importunt one.—(Hear, hear.) The credit of the coun-
try was the property of the country, and the House
ought to be as careful of pledging the country's credit
as they would be chary of advancing its money. Let
them beware, then, of taking this important step in a
hurry. Let them limit the vote to be now granted to
the amount which they knew had been actually ex-
pended, and let them, at all events, refrain from pledg-
ing the credit of the country for the debts of the people
until the report of the Committee sitting upon the sub-
ject had been laid before the House.—(Hear.)
Mr. T. BARING observed, that some expectations
had been held out to the colony that a portion of this
money was to be applied to African emigration. With
respect to the sums already expended, as he understood
the matter, the Government had chartered vessels, made
themselves responsible for the freight, taking the guaran-
tee of the colonies for repayment; and therefore he
contended that the country was bound to make good the
debt. The 40,0001. not vet—so far as was known—
expended, might be required for the further immigration
of a coloured population into our colonies. The House
was advised, however, to incur no expense further than
the debt which had been already contracted. The Hon.
Gentleman the Member for Liverpool bad contended
against Parliament guaranteeing further expenditure,
because by doing so it would be involving itself in an
unfair system of giving its credit to the colonies. But
that system had been already sanctioned by the measure
passed with reference to Canada.—(Hear.) The credit
of this country was extended in favour of Canada, when
it was in a distressed condition, and to say that the ex-
pense which might be incurred in promoting immigra-
tion ought not to be now guaranteed, was to urge a
doctrine directly in violation of the promises made to
the West India colonies, but still only of a piece with
that severe legislation to which they had been so long
subjected.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. R. HILDYARD said that 166,0001. had been
expended under the expectation that the colony would
be able to repay it. That expectation had not, however,
been fulfilled, and the amount would become a bad debt
incurred by the Imperial Government. In voting the
sum in question, therefore, they were only making pro-
vision for expenses actually incurred, taking all the se-
curities which the colonies could give for the repayment
of the money. Therefore, as regarded the 166,000/., it
appeared to him that we were only paying a sum fur
which we had made ourselves liable, but for the repay-
ment of which by the parties primarily benefited we held
all the securities we could obtain or they could give.
Lord J. RUSSELL (who spoke in a very low tone,
and was very indistinctly heard in the gallery) said that
when he was Secretary for the Colonies ho had
always advised the Crown to refuse any sanction to
those loans. lie had done so not so much upon impe-
rial as upon colonial grounds; at the same time, how-
ever, that he thought it unadvisable for the Govern-
ment to mortgage its revenues, and incur the de-
ficit thereby occasioned. When Lord Stanley and
the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite were Secretaries
for the Colonies, they sanctioned loans for the purposes
of immigration, to be raised by the colonies; and the
interest, until repayment, to be defrayed by the colonies.
They did not contemplate that either the credit or the
resources of this country would be required for the
purPose of raising these loans. But it so happened,
after these loans had been made and great expenses in-
curred—expenses voted by the Colonial Legislatures and
sanctioned hero by the Crown--after great expense's had
been incurred, and after orders had been sent out: for the
immigration of Coolies to the West Indian colenie's—that
these colbnies fell into such a state of distress that it be•
came difficult for them to raise loans. The money market
here, indeed, was in such a state, that they found it im-
possible to raise loans; and under these circumstances it
became a question for the present Government whether
they would not aid the colonies—distressed as they
were—with respect to the liabilities thus incurred.
Now, it was, no doubt, competent for Parliament to
say that they would reject any such proposal; but
such rejection would not, he thought, be fair to the
colonies, and would not be consistent with the manner
in which Parliament had generally acted after Ministers
had declared that they thought that the credit of
this country ought to be employed in helping the colo-
nies to raise the means for supplying themselves with
that amount of labour—confessedly necessary for their
prosperity. The Right Honourable Gentleman the
Member far Stamford (Mr. Herries) had, he thought,
in principle laid down a fair distinction; and if that dis-
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Gentleman contended that the sums already actually
expended should be voted at once, but that the conside-
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of the expenses which were now proceeding should
be deferred until the House should have had the report
of the Committee now sitting upon the subject. If any
practical distinction of the kind could be made between
the sums proposed to be voted, ho (Lord John Russell)
would be willing to carry it into effect. The sum ac-
tually spent was 166,0001., and it did not seem to him to
be of very great importance whether they took a sum
rather beyond that, which might probably be required,
or whether they took a vote for a sum under the amount,
and came to Parliament again for the balance, whatever
it might be. He repeated that he was indifferent as to
which course was taken.—(Hear, hear.) The Honour-
able Member for Huntingdon (Mr. T. Baring) had,
be thought, mistaken his Right Honourable Friend
near him, when ho (Mr. T. Baring) stated that be-
cause a Government were not ready to enter into
new loans, according to the plan stated in the early
part of the session, and announced by Lord Grey in a
dispatch to the colonies, that therefore they were ready
to abandon a scheme advantageous to:the West Indies.
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part, whether the Committee agreed to the vote of
160,0004 or to that for the larger sum, he considered to
be a matter of little moment. Indeed, between the
views taken by himself, and those urged by the Right
Honourable Gentleman the Member for Stamford, there
was, so far as principle went, no substantial difference.
Mr. HERRIES asked the Chairman to read the
clause, which was done.

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The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
plained that the colonies had received certain sums of
money, for the repayment of which they were liable.
The colonies proposed to raise the necessary amount by
loans sanctioned by the Home Government. They found,
however, that that could not be effected, owing to the
present state of the money market. The proposal, there-
fore, now was, to lend to the colonies that which they
could not borrow elsewhere.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUDSON thought that the money actually ex-
pended might now be voted, while the Government could
come to the House again for the amount for which
liabilities might be still incurred.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
170,0004 might be taken on that account.
Mr—HUME protested against a Colonial Minister
pledging the credit of the country, and bringing it into
debt. In 1844 Lord Stanley had directed ships to be
hired, coolies to be conveyed, and bills to be drawn on
the colonies for the amount. The colonists, however,
not being able to realise any loans, the bills remained
unpaid, and Government was now called upon to inter-
fere. Expenses might, however, be yet accumulating,
and before he consented to vote a single shilling, orders
should be sent out to put a stop to the system.
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already on the table a dispatch from Earl Grey, dated
" Downing street, February 16th," in which the Noble
Lord state I that Government had determined to advance
200,0001. to the West Indian Colonies. Now, no Secre-
tary of State had a right to say anything of the sort.
He would have been as much justified in saying that
Government had determined to increase the income-tax
by five per cent. The dispatch in question went on to
say that in case of any difficulty being experienced in
p:oviding for the payment of freight and bounties, the
colonies would be at liberty to draw upon the Commis-
sioners of Colonial Lands and Emigration. Now, what
he wished the House at present to do was, to postpone the
question until the report of the Committee should be
before it; while in the mean time the whole of the corre-
spondence on the subject might be got ready and pro-
duced. If they were to pay what w4s already spent, let
a stop be put to the system for the future. With these
views, he begged to move that the Chairman report pro-
gress, the object of the delay being to postpone the dis-
cussion for a week, until they had all the documents re-
lating to the subject before them. The conduct of la.