The Sun.
London, England, 1846-05-12 00:00:00

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

TATTERSALL'S.
The Chester Cap settling was resumed yesterday afternoon, and,
as we predicted last week, proved very easy. The Derby betting was not heavy, nor was it by any means important. We may observe,
however, that Humdrum, Crown Prince, and the Peri colt had seve-
ral friends ; Humdrum with by far the strongest party. Fancy Boy
was also backed for several hundred pounds at 11 and 12 to 1, the
layers, at the finish, not at all disposed to baulk his supporters. Sir
Tatton Sykes was likewise laid against at 6 to 1 to three or four
hundred, but in this case it struck us that the takers were in the
ascendant. Sting was backed for 2001 at 3to 1 ; Brocardo, in several
places at 25 to 1 ; the Traverser at 20 to 1, in hundreds, and a few out-
siders at odds. A few small bets were laid on the Oaks at
12 to 1 against Osprey, 20 to 1 against Wilderness, and 25 to I against
Princess Alice.

DERBY.
14 to 1 agst John Day's lot—taken
3 to 1 agst Lord E. Russell's Sting—taken and aft. offered
6 to I agst Mr. W. ecott's Sir Tatton Sykes—taken
11 to 1 agst Lord Maidstone's Tom Tullock
12 to 1 agst Mr. Meiklaw's Fancy Boy—taken
20 to 1 agst Sir J. llawley's Hutadrum—taken freely
20 to 1 agst Mr. 07trien's the Traverser—taken
22 to 1 agst Mr. Watt's the Crown Prince
25 to 1 agst Gen. Shubrick's Brocardo—taken
30 to 1 agst Mr. Wigram's Phenericus—taken
1000 to 30 agst Mr. Merry's Teri colt
40 to I agst Mr. Wyatt's Nutleaf
50 to I agst Mr. Waller's Maid of Hampton colt—takers
50 to 1 agst Lord Eglinton's Draco
1000 to 25 agst Mr. Wreford's Westeountryman—taken
1000 to 15 agst Mr. Mostyn's L'llirondelle colt—taken
1000 to 15 agst Lord Orford's 131ackie—taken.

PLOT OF VERDI'S NEW OPERA

The new opera on the point of being produced at her
Majesty's Theatre is by Verdi. Its success on the con-
tinent has been very great, which is attributable, first of
all, to its music; next, to the interest of the pit, taken
from the most romantic era, and admitting of a wise en
scene of most striking effect. At her Majesty's Theatre
it is to be produced with surpassing splendour—the cast
embracing Grisi, Mario, Corelli,Fornasari, Botelli, and
Corbari. The chorusses have been doubled; there will
be new and striking scenery, taken from sketches
of Rhodes and Palestine, and every effort has,
we hear, been made to produce with the utmost bril-
liancy the Asiatic as well as the picturesque chivalric
costume of the middle ages. The opera is entitled
I Lombardi—The Lombards. The epoch is that of the
first crusade. The dramatis personcc are Pagano (For-
' nasari) and Arvino (Corelli), sons of the Prince of
Rhodes, a descendant of a Lombard knight, who con-
quered the island; Viclinda (Corbari), the wife ofArvino;
Giselda (Grisi), their daughter; Acciano (Giubelei), the
Saracen tyrant of Antioch; Sofia (Bellini), his wife (se-
cretly a Christian); their son Oronte (Mario). There is
besides Pirro (Botelli), squire and unscrupulous confidant
of Pagano; the Prior of Milan (Dai Fiori), and a host
of other characters, monks, nuns, knights, Christian and
Saracen soldiers, &c., &e., presenting an unusual
variety of bright and picturesque costumes and
extraordinary opportunity of scenic display. The
plot is the following:—Pagano, deeply enamoured
with Viclinda, and enraged at her preference
•f his brother, attacked, wounded him, and then
fled his country. As the curtain rises, you behold the
monks and the people assembled before the Church of
St. Ambrose, in the island of Rhodes, to celebrate the
return of the pardoned culprit. He arrives, and his in-
jured brother cordially forgives and embraces him. But,
in the heart of the latter, the same unquenchable feelings
still rankle. He meditates once more the destruction of
his brother, and the possession of his sister-in-law. At
night he invades with an armed band his abode, to
which he has set fire ; but, in the dark, he mistakes his
victim, and kills his own father instead of his brother.
Remorse takes possession of his heart, and he flies to a
wilderness in Palestine to expiate his crimes, and
under the garb of a hermit he acquires a great
reputation for sanctity. Years of repentance have
elapsed—it is the moment when all Christian knights
and princes have been summoned to the first crusade,
and Arvind and his followers have landed in Palestine,
obedient to the call of Peter the Hermit. Here he soon
hies to the holy recluse (Pagano) in his mountain retreat,
seeking counsel and consolation in his sorrows from the
hermit, for the Saracen chief of Antioch in the conflict
has carried away his daughter. Pagano, concealed
by his garb, promises a termination to his
brother's sorrows ; which he knows he can effect,
for Pirro, formerly his squire and confident,
now a repentant renegade, has promised to yield
Antioch, where he holds a command, to the Christian
band. In that city is Giselda, placed in the harem
of the Prince Oronte, but protected by his mother
Sofia (secretly a Christian), and passionately beloved by
her son, who, under the double influence of love and con-
viction, determines to become a convert to her faith.
Giselda forgets her Christian friends, and listens but too
readily to the vows of the Saracens. But Antioch is
betrayed to the Christians, led by Arvino and Pagano ;
all the Saracens are put to death, and Giselda, by
her lamentations over the fate of her true lover,
brings down on her head the wrath of her fath ,r
In the retreat where she has taken refuge, her '
Oronte, who has escaped from his loverenemies,
re-appears in the disguise of a Lombard.
fly together, but being pursued by the Chri The lovers
stians, Oronte
receives a wound, Pagano comes, and t.akes him :o his
cell, and there the Saracen prince a Christian con-
vert, whilst Giselda, in her despair , through Divine in •
terposition, is consoled by a eisie,n -of Paradise. Pagano,
who has become the guardiar., spirit of his injured bro-
ther, accompanies him to t:ne siege. of Jerusalem, and is
his cowl,
atondderaevtheadlesfe.finir:;mg name.him. dies
he
forme removesthe
final catastrophe of. the opera.

A variety of very charring objects, sculptured in
Italy, from beautiful Cararra marble, are to be sold atßobins's
Auction Rooms, on Thursday. We particularly noticed the
figures of Diana, Pysche, Cupid, Cleopatra, the Virgin, and
Infant Samuel a7id St. John, as being very fine examples of
modern art ; likewise a noble model of the Warwick Vase,
with soin.e remarkably fine busts ; whilst the chimney pieces,
of various forms, covered with the in ost beautiful sculpture,
WC aid adorn a palace, and, as the opp ortunity to obtain such
splendid objects seldom occurs, we have little doubt the
present will be well appreciated.
Mr. and Mrs. Charles Kean's visit to America is pro-
ducing golden results, and were th ey to repeat their engage-
ments at all the places where they ai.e solicited to do so, their
return to this country would be extended to an indefinite
period. They were last heard of at [Mobile, from whence they
were proceeding to St. Louis.
Wixosoß CasTLE.—We are Xt) rry !to hear it is in
contemplation to close the royal spar tins nts at the Castle to the
public altogether. Should this take pines, Windsor will become one
of the dullest towns in the country. The small number of rooms at
present shown, and those only on three d ays of the week, by tickets
to be obtained in London. has already operated muoh against the
trade of the town; and we hear soveral.tof the old tradsspeocle in-
tend leaving it altmetithrr.aarkthire CI ON ,mete.
The consumption of butcher's co eat in Paris last month
was as follows :-6,888 oxen, 1,143 cm rs, 6,509 calves, and 88,656
sheep.

LOUIS PHILIPPE A CITIZEN Cur PERTH—It will be
observed that the town council, at its ft rat meeting since the late at-
tempt on the life of the King of the rn.inch, passed an address of
congratulation to his Majesty on his pi evidential* eseape from
rot,
th
hand of the assasin. It may seem to s. eine a little out
ta
wayof thei
bat
Scottish burghs to obtrude their courte: 3on such
his Majesi retains a vivid and p
of the fair city, and that
it may net be generally known that I Iv, French Sovereignld
summer
bur-
gessisleaasin
at the I'm e es, Iri his Majtaly referred
neighbourhood • and
ilheepoallreicat,ioloo
ay
whenfact
dining
gn the Ea: t Kinnoul was last
to Perth str.:t its scenery, as well as th at of the ,
Lordshipted—
expressing sur-
hadhttaded,lh:.,afeectupzaeiritiocfulaurilaypilnatceer.estuedpoilnh
iatwhich related to it, being
a d " Yes, and the
Pr''.,e, at _the announcement, his A
when a guest of
your late noble father." Itsi:j!):l:3liYnthCeanstdieetailed the whole
reedom was conferred upon
Louisme arthDi
th
earrival of the Lord Provost, *with the burgess ticket and
tshceenceo—uncil'saddress—and the speeches 14 hick followed on both sides;
aafndtialaddceendttahrayt)suacalit haeontomuirasewrocarse
wat t
iti time
an(adbotuhtethocecbasegioinnnliiandg
made no slight impression on his Inv= Ty, as was evinced in the
circumstantiality with which the whol 'as detaiLd. Courier.
A FEROCIOUS Sow.--A short time ago, at Kellett
Ground, Kirkby Ircleth, a sow belonghsg to a person named Pottle-
thwaite, attacked a lamb. In vain did. the ewe, throwing aside its
natural timidity, do battle in defence of its onpring. The lamb wts
worried by the ferocious animal, and the •oid ewe had nearly shared
same fate.— Westmoretand Gazrette.
EXTRAORDINARY CASE OF A FI'ILIATION.--A case of
affiliation, which we scarcely suppc se has ever been exceeded
in the extraordinary character of the circumstances it re-
vealed, occurred at the Leeds Coral -house, on Wednesday,
before the Mayor and William P awson, Esq., the pre-
siding magistrates. Mr. Sandersoii, solicitor, who appeared
for the defendant, elicited from th.." Inother that the child
she appeared to affiliate was the seventh bastard child
she had had, all to different fa shears—that she was forty
years of age—that she had bo roe to different fathers
two children within the last two years—that all her
children were at present living-4.nd that her eldest son
was older than the alleged putative father of her last child.
At the close of the mother's evidence (which it may be re-
marked wss abruptly terminated by her refusal to answer
further questions relative to her lea meful life), the Mayor,
who had evidently heard the case wi th feelings of extreme
disgust, properly characterised her as a living disgrace to her
sex, and remarked that he did not previously think there
was such a creature in existence as s 1 e had proved herself to
be from her own lips. By refusing tt ) answer questions put
to her, she vitiated her case, and there fore the Bench refused
to make any order whatever upon the alleged father. The
name of the mother is Elizabeth Say ille, who resides in one
of the town's houses at Armley. Tb e last will therefore be
the seventh burden of the kind Abe has brought upon her
parish,

NAVAL INTELLIGENCE.
THE SQUADRON OF EVOLUTION.
PORTSMOUTH, SUNDAY.—The sailing of this force is put
off until Wednesday or Thursday next, on what account is
not clearly apparent, although several causes are alleged.
We believe the fact is, that the squadron is not ready to sail,
several of the ships being defective in their sea-going ap-
pointments.
We have to complain of a gross act of injustice performed
by the Admiralty towards a meritorious officer of one of the
ships forming the squadron of evolution. Lieutenant Henry
Need, 1841, of the Terrible ; this officer was appointed to
the Terrible on the 6th of December last, when she was
commissioned, and has remained in her until two days ago,
when an order came down for him to remove forthwith into
the St. Vincent, and, at the same time, Lieutenant the
Hon. J. W. S. Spencer, 1841, was appointed te, the Terrible
vice Need. No cause was assigned for this peremptory and
unexpected order, and Mr. Need had to turn out of his berth
without time even to write respecting the astounding cir-
cumstance, and has been put to great personal inconvenience
and expense. Lieutenant Need joined the Terrible ex-
pressly for the purpose of studying steam, and now that he
was about to reap the benefit of his application he is turned
out of his ship without any cause being assigned, to make
room for a young officer, who, &fur returning from a cruiee
of five or six weeks, will be thrust into the royal yacht and
made shortly afterwards a commander Lieutenant Need is
a very meritorious officer, having distinguished himself
when mate of the Druid at the attack upon Canton, and
while lieutenant of the Harlequin, under Commander (now
Captain) the Hon. G. Hastings, served in her boats in
desperate encounter with pirates on the coast of Sumatra, in
1844. Such jobs as these are not likely to increase the Peru"
larity of the service or engender respect for the officers Who,
by such acts, abuse the power vested in them of dealing out
injustice.
We regret to have to record the death of Mr. Bignall (sea
of Captain Bignall, R.N.), assistant clerk of the Belleisle
troop ship, fitting at Devonport, who fell down the main-
hatchway one day last week into the main hold, a depth of
40 feet. He was promptly removed to the hospital, but
never rallied from insensibility, in which state he died next
day.
The Eurydice, 26, will hoist the pendant again in a day or
two, Captain George Elliott, who recently paid her off before
the expiration of her time, being re-appointed to her.
The Penelope, 22, steam-frigate, Commodore Jones, lea
St. Nicholas on the 13th ult., but did not communicate with
the island, being apprehensive of coast fever • which, how'
ever, under the zealous exertions of Dr. M'William, was
rapidly subsiding. She touched at Madeira for coals, but the
authorities would hold no intercourse with a vessel from the
coast of Africa, and sent out armed boats to row guard round
the vessel to prevent such intercourse ; she consequently
came away without replenishing fuel, but fortunately fell in
with a brig bound to Gibraltar with coals, and lying by her
for two days, on account of a fresh breeze, at length suc-
ceeded in taking out of her 130 tons in open sea, which en-
abled her to work up to tipithead. Admiral Sir C. Ogle,
Bart., the Commander-in-Chief, went on board her yester-
day afternoon, and was received under manned yards and a
salute from her heavy guns, fired in smart style. She appears
a very unsightly vessel, nothing to compare with the other
large steamers; although rigged similarly to the Terrible and
carrying more guns, she appears very insignificant in every
respect but length, on comparison with the latter. A white
funnel, red streak, and blue paddle-boxes and boats, do not
add to her warlike looks.
The Nautilus transport, Lieut. Saunders, agent, arrived on
Friday evening from the Falkland Islands, which she left
on the 18th of February, and from Ascension, whence she
sailed on the 14th of March with invalids and old stores.
The damage sustained by the rollers at the latter place
were bein,' repaired with all dispatch, but with the greatest
exertions the work could not be completed in less time
than two months. Water was still scarce when the
Nautilus left, but the stock of turtle was still replenishing-
The following officers came home passengers in the Nau-
tilus : Lieutenants Rivers, of the Albatross, and Field,
of the Kingfisher; the Rev. G Bellamy, chaplain of the
Tortoise ; Dr. Andrew, assistant-surgeon ; and Mr. Arledge,
clerk of the Penelope. She sailed this day at noon for Del**
ford to refit.
The Childers, 16, Commander Pitman, sailed yesterday
morning for the Cape of Good Hope with mails and dis-
patches, thence to Van Diemen's Land with a ton and a
half of copper coin for the colony, and thence to join the
squadron under Rear-Admiral Cochrane, China, by Bases
Straits.
The Daring, 12, Commander Matson, was at Port Royals
Jamaica, on the 31st of March.
The Vindictive, 50, Captain Seymour, flag of Vice, Admiral
Sir F. Austen, arrived at Bermuda on the 10th of April, 18
days from Port Royal, with loss of both her grader boats
and sprung bow sprit.
Prior to the departure of Lord Ellenborougli, on Wednes"
day, a new method of impelling heavy ordnance -without the
assistance of man, harness, or drag ropes, was exhibited on
Soutsea-common before his Lordship by the author of the.
invention. The guns (24-pounders and 6-pounders), mounted
on travelling-carriages, were moved across the shingly bead'
without the aid of drag-ropes, first with the new impelling
principle, and then with the man harness ; the result was
strikingly in favour of the former, greater ease and facility
in working being apparent. The gunners of the Roy el
Marine Artillery much approve this new method ; as also
does, we are informed, Captain Steevens, of that distinguished
corps, under whose direction the experiment was tried.
The Right Hon. T. L. Corry, First Secretary to the Ad-
miralty, and family, went out to Spithead to-day in the
Lightning steamer to inspect the fleet. They attended
church service on board the St. Vincent, and afterwards
partook of luncheoewith Commodore Collier, who accost'
panied them ashore.
The Athol troop-ship, Master Commander Pearn,
rived this morning from Woolwich to embark troops from
Parkhurst-• barracks, Isle of Wight, for services in the West
Indies.
The Goodwill navy lighter, Pledge, master, arrived on
Friday night from the eastern yards with stores.
The Barretti Junior transport, Lieutenant E. Griffiths,
agent, came into harbour yesterday to embark stores.
The Calypso, 20, Captain Worth, was spoken on the 17th
ult., in lat. 28 N., lon. 21, by the Penelope, 22, arrived at
Spithead.

PROMOTIONS.

Mates—M. TEI. M. Muad3:(lB43), C. G. Macgregor (1840),
C. T. W. G. Cerjat (1840), P. W. Darrell (1843), and b•
Gabon, (1843), to the rank of Lieutenant.

AppoINTmENTs.
Captain—G. Elliott, to the Eurydice.
Lieutenants--F. Egerton, to the Raleigh ;J. E. Parish and
C. Coles, to the St. Vincent.
Surgeons—G. Mackey, M.D., to the Avengr ;A. AM
e -
strong, M.D. (assistant), to Hasler Hospital ; J. Robinson,
M.D. (assistant), to the Avenger ; R. Wallis, M.D. (assis.
tant), to the Retribution ; J. W. Slight (assistraat), to the
Victory.
Mate—C. Dickson, to the Terrible.
Clerk—J. C. Mattley, to the Queen.
Midshipmen—P. E. Luard and J. T. Seymour, to the Con-
stance ; S. P. Brett, to the Retribution.
Master's Assistant--F. Inglis, to the Belleisle.
Naval Cadets--T. M. Riddell, to the Canopus ; Ir• Phillamore, to the Devastation ;A. F. Manna ux, to the
St. Vincent.

ROYAL MARINES.
Major Spry, of the Woolwich division, to the recruiting
service at Bath.

T GUARD.
Lieutenant R. Ellis, app COAS
ointed to command Fairlight sta'
ion, vice Ranier, previously removed.

THE HERO OF ALIWAL.
Major-General Sir H. G. W. Smith, Bart., G.C.8., entered
:le 95th, now Riffle Brigade, in 1805; was adjutant at the
siege, storm, and capture of Monte 'Video, and was thanked
by the Commander-in-Chief, Sir Samuel Auchmaity, for his
intrepidity ; was in the affair of Colonio del Sacramento,
under Sir Dennis (then Colonel) Pack; was takeii prisoner
at Buenos Ayres, in the church of St. Domingo, with General
Crawford; proceeded with the army to Sweden, wider Sir J.
Moore, and with that army to Portugal; was distinguished
in the affair of Calcavellos, in the retreat to Corunna. Ia
1809 he again embarked for Portugal, with the Light Bri-
gade, under General Crawford, and reached Talavera the
morning the enemy retreated behind the Alyerea, and Ivo
sharply engaged skirmishing; was particularly employed by,
General Craword in the Light Division, during the French
siege of Cuidad Rodrigo, and in the various skirmishes of
that period. At the affair of the Coa he wali severely
wounded, and inuch commended for his conduct alt the Inc''
ment ; he was present at Massena's retreat; wai; in every
affair of posts, Pombala, Redhina; Casalhova, Cond eixa, Foy:
d'Aruz ( where he was appointed Major of Brigade to the 2d
Light Brigade), and served in that capacity until the end of
the war, in the Light division; Sabrigal ; battles of Fuentes
d'Onoro ; siege, storm, and capture of Badajos • battle of Se'
lamanca ; retreat from Madrid ; affairs at San 'Milan ; battle
of Vittoria; pursuit of the enemy after the battle of Paul'
plono; distinguished in storming the heights of Vera, also in
the storm of the entrenched camp of Irun ; crossing the Bi
dassoa ; battle of Nivelle Nile; affairs near B:ayonne ; Tarbes;
battles of Grilles and Tolouse. In 1814 embarked in the Ga-
ronne with the troops under Major-General Ross; appointed de•:,
puty Adjutant-General; battle of Bladensberg, and capture of
Washington; was the bearer of dispatches to Government,
and highly commended by Major-General Ross; was pro-
moted to the rank of Major; returned to America with
Major-General the Hon Sir Edward Pakenham ; as As"
sistant Adjutant-General was most actively employed during
the various affairs of New Orleans, and appointed Military
Secretary to Sir J. Lambert, in whose dispatches his conduct
was particularly brought to notice;
capture of Fort Boyer. On the coneli
suso
Assistant Quarter-
f
America, he returned to Europe ; was was ant
otepesaiecte
wag
and, for his conduct, promoted to the rank of Lieutenant-
Colonel.W Indies;
had an
Served in America and the est
master-General of the 6th Division at the battle of Waterlso,
important command
Kaffiron the frontierof the Cape of Good
Hope, during the Kffi
irruption into the colony, 1835-36;
highly commended for his conduct by the Governor, Sir B.
D'Urban, and thanked by the inhabitants of the colony, at
large, and subsequently by the Minister for the Colonies,
Lord Glenelg, as deserving " the grateful acknowledgments
of her Majesty's Government, not only for his military.ser-
vices, but for his zealous, humane, and enlightened adminis-
tration of the civil government of the province under his
charge." When ordered to take the command of the fron-
tiers of the Cape of Good Hope, he rode from Cape Town to
per"
hour. In 1840 he was appointed Adjutant-General to her
Majesty's forces in India, and was in the battles of Gwar
at the rate of fourteen miles en
and Marajahpore, in 1843. During these eventful services
,_et
was on the staff of Major-General Sir Sidney Beckwith,
Major- General Drummond, Major-General Robert Crawfil,r?
Major-General Skerritt, Sir J. Vandeleur, Lord Seaton, Su
A. Barnard, Major-General Ross, Major-General the lie!
Sir E. Pakenham, Sir J. Lambert, the Right Hon. Sir Jar
.:
Kempf, Lord Keane, the Hon. Sir Lowry Cole, Sir B. P "
ban, and Sir Hugh Gough.—John Bull.
E- - p Of tJi

r be
RRATU3I.—In our account of the meeting 0- t
London, Ilonuslow, and Western Railway Company, on Saturdait
we stated that " Mr. Megson said a gentleman in Leeds had
ascer-
tained from the secretary that the expenses had been 161., with other
liabilities"—it should have been 16,0001., with other liabilities.
SUICIDE FROM LOSSES BY FIRE.—On Saturday eVe__..ll.
ing Mr. Payne held an inquest at the Red Lion, Red Lion-court,
Fleet-street, on the body of Mrs. Sarah Brown, aged 35, grocer,by
whose shop, No. 6, Great New-street, Fetter-lane, was destroyed
Fire on Thursday night. Julia Macdonald said that the ileceag...,
had carried on her business until a fire broke out there on Thurso7,
night last, when she and witness were got out of the parlour Willa
and removed to the Red Lion. She lost a great deal of proPertf by
~
the fire, and was very melancholy all the next day. That Lao"—
(Saturday) witness awoke and found her suspended by S "'idler;
said
chief to a rail of the bedstead. The landlord of the Red Lien
deceased told him that she was insured for 2501. in the Lavri
Insurance Office. Several witnesses said that deceased's behaviour
was recently very different from what it had formerly
business did not answer, and that she had much trouble in
matters. Verdict, " Temporary insanity." artyDRAGONETTL—Rumours are abroad that the prop
of this eminent musician is not nearly so large as was anticipated—
five
thousand pounds being much nearer the mark than five-Rua"
twenty thousand. The bulk of what property there is is lett to
Ile'
sister—if she can be found ; and the legacies to friends
and
It
quaintances are chiefly in the shape of music, instruments, ..C•n
ei
seems the old man squandered his means in the accumulatio
IV
curious rubbish, to whidi no sort of money value oan be 1404013*d
his executors.peen--;hat her
The English bar is composed of above 3,010 bar:
* ten, exclusive of 11$ sergeants-at-law. Thai are T 4 Itucca-
ikuneel. incutakir tin Att9Tue7 gad

IMPERIAL P7IRLEAAI33T.

ing on her subjects to disobey her authority. It was not for that
reason that this statute was enacted, but because it was found 1
impossible to define the bulls in such a way as to make it
•
HOUSE OF 1,01?DS, ;fay 11. I sale to permit the introduction of any bulls at all ; '
Their Lordships met at Five o'clock. I and therefore it was that this statute very wisely, as
ST. ASAPH AND BANGOO. he thought, prohibited all bulls whatever. He should
The Bishop of HEREFORD presented a petition from the be very glad if they could possibly discover any
Rural Dean of Swansea against the union of these sees.
mode in which the introduction of these bulls
SELLING SPIRITUOUS LIQUORS ON THE could he punished in a lighter manner; but the act
SABBATH. of introducing hulls into this land interfered with the
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented a petiton Sovereign power of the land, and was thereforeh
from the town of Canterbury, against the sale of spirituous in itself an act of high treason; and thermore
liquors on the Lord's-day, and praying that the law which it was that those two great men, Sir Mathew Hale and Coke,
regulated the sale of those liquors in London on that day might defended this particular Act as necessary for the best interests
be extended to the provinces. of the country ; that very Act it was now proposed to rescind,
CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. He should be glad if the Noble and Learned Lord, when he
The Most Ray. FnELATE also presented a petition from the proposed to strike out this statute, would propose toi intro-
Corporationfrom of Deal against this Bill. He had heard that there duce a something which would protect them genaenradly
if they
was no eor; oration in the kingdom which acted more censci- the introduction of Papal bulls Unto this country,thisobject, b ect, then he
entiously in the application of the funds entrusted to their care, found that the common law did not affect
for charitable purposes. than the Corporation of Deal.
clausetr usted
whichth at
wt,,hueld
SUNDAY TRADING,object. Lordßefo r
ewjohuel would,'
ai
tn see w
itn
The Earl ST. GERMANS presented a petition against and
that Learned
the sale of spirituous liquors on Sunday. Noble
answer
was only that feeling the want of these w
he felt it necessary to make one or two remarklas,
sbehcaousehad
SEES OF ST. ASAPH AND BANGOR.
this Papal power
The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition, signed by They were called upon to acknowledge .
been compelled to ask the Noble Lord these
whichquestions.
all the clergy of a rural deanery in Wiltshire, against the union had for ages been the bane of nations without the slightest rea-
of the sees of St. Acaph and Bangor.son being urge
CHArZITABLE TRUSTS BILL. Those who had introduced
itsetlhfisfor
Btihneir
hdaoding
not
Lord theßill
Lord FAVERSHAM presented petitions from York, against taken upon themselves the peril, to say that. it
the Charitable Trusts Bill. was expedient to repeal this power. There was scarcely a
Lord Eldon, the Bishop of Winchester, and Lord Campbell, single statute which did not give some reason, in the shape of
presented similar petitions. preamble, far its being passed ; and were they in thisinstance
Lord CAMPBELL postponed his Registration Bill, which to depart from the constitutional rules of the country, and
stood to-night for the first reading. pass an Act, without saying why or wherefore, which
CLE UK S OF THE CROWN (IRELAND). affected the supremacy of the Crown of England? It was
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE ga
ve notice that he remarkable that it was only two years ago since the Noble and
would, on Friday next, call the attention of the House to the Learned Lord struck out of the Bill the very clauses he now in-
late appointment of Clerks of the Crown in Ireland. troduced. The Noble and Learned Lord opposite had, upon
The Earl of ORKNEY presented a petition in favour of the occasion to vt ich he alluded introduced a Bill for
b
free trade. repealing these Acts, and he applied to his Noble
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from the Rev. and Learned Friend to know how such an Act
Dr. Magee, of Harold's Cross, Dublin, praying the House not was to be met, and to express an earnest hope
to pass into a law a measure which had been introduced by the that it would not be Permitted to pass, and he had the satis-
Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack, and which would faction of finding afterwards that it did not pass. It was for
sanction the introduction of Papal bulls into this country, by these reasons that he thought it necessary to appeal to the
which he would be much alarmed. Noble and Learned Lord who represented the Government
GRAND JURY ASSESS RATES (IRELAND). in that House, and to the other Noble and Learned Lords on
Earl GREY presented a petition from Basingsloe against the opposite Benches to apply their judicial minds to the ques-
the rates levied under this Bill. tions which he should take the liberty of propounding to them.
CONDITION OF RAILWAY LABOURERS. The Right Rev. Prelate concluded by proposing that the fol-
The NOBLE EARL also presented a petition from Glasgow, lowing questions be submitted to the judges :--Whether,
praying their Lordships to adopt some measures to improve the independently of so much of the Act passed hi the first
condition of the labourers employed on the numerous railways year of the reign of Queen Elisabeth, intituled, "An
throughout the country. Act restoring to the Crown the ancient jurisdiction
HIGH CONSTABLES' BILL. over the estate ecclesiastical and spiritual, and abolish-
On the motion of the Duke of RICHMOND this Bill was ing all foreign powers repugnant to the same," a 3 makes
read a third time and passed. ft punishable to affirm, hold, stand with, set forth, maintain,
THE RELIGIOUS OPINIONS' RELIEF BILL. or defend, as therein is mentioned, the authority, pre-
The Bishop of EXETER then rose to propose that the ques- eminence, power, or jurisdiction, spiritual or ecclesiastical,
tions of which he had given notice with respect to this Bill of any foreign prince, prelate, person, state, or potentate,
should be put to the Judges. He said their Lordships would theretofore claimed, used, or usurped within this realm, or to
readily believe that it was with the deepest reluctance that he put in use or execute anything for the extolling, advancement,
rose to move their adoption, and that he hesitated much before setting forth, maintenance, or defence of any such pretended
he prevailed on himself to give the Learned Judges the additional or usurped jurisdiction, power, pre-eminence, and authority,
trouble, which, in the event of their Lordships acceding to or any part thereof, and of an Act passed in the fifth year
them, would be imposed upon them. He felt this the more be- of the said Queen, intitled "An Act for the Assurance of
cause at the present moment they were much oppressed by the the Queen's Royal Power over all Estates and Subjects
additional amount of business which they had to discharge-. within her Dominions," it is an offence against the taw of
He did not think their Lordships need go further for an England, and punishable by the same, by writing, prini leg,
opinion as to what the law actually was than their own walls, teaching, preaching, express words, deed, or act, advisedly
He hoped that the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack and maliciously to deny the Queen's supremacy, or to s.ffirro,
would feel himself bound peculiarly to look upon the maintain, and defend any such pretended or usurped power,
matter in a judicial point of view. The Bill be- jurisdiction, or authority of the Pope, or any foreign prince,
fore their Lordships was brought in by the Noble and Learned prelate, person, state, as.- potentate within this realm?
Lord himself. By this Bill it was proposed to strike out of The LORD CHANCELLOR said he wished to offer a few
the statute-book those important statutes or parts thereof observations with respect to that portion of the "Right Revereod
which have been ever considered as the main bulwarks of the Prelate's address, which referred to some supposed ineonsis•
constitution of England—England, as an independent mo- tency on his part with respect to the Bill to which the ques'ion
narchy. In the Bill before their Lordships, which had been he had just proposed ref; rred. He was sure that when he re-
read a second time, and which it is hereafter proposed to ferred to what took place on the occasion alluded to by the
gu into Committee upon, their Lordships would be Right Reverend Prelate, that their Lordships would at once
invited to repeal so much of an Act passed in the first year of acquit him of the charge which had been brought against him.
the reign of Queen Elizabeth to restore to the Crown its The Noble Lord to whom allusion had been made, introduced
ancient jurisdiction over the state of England. Their Lordships the measure referred to. That Bill had not been previously
would see that the tendency of that Act was to make it no longer communicated to him (the Lord Chancellor), neither had he
punishable to assert the supremacy of the Pope. He needed not any communication with reference to it, but on referring to
to remind their Lordships that this supremacy had been claimed the particular Acts of Parliament to which it had reference, he
by the Pope prior to the reign of Queen Elizabeth. lie had saw at once that it was perfectly clear that every man of liberal
claimed and exercised that power in deposing King John. The p•inciple and feeling must assent to a great portion of it.—
same Pope (Innocent 111 ) claimed jurisdiction and power over (t. peers.) But with respect to the other portions of it, clauses
a succeeding King in the year 1215, in these words—" Is not might have been introduced on which inquiry was necessary,
the King of England our vassal, or, rather, our slave?" and therefore the course he pursued was this—to that part of
This was the power to be restored by this Bill, the Bill to which lie felt no reasonable objection could be made,
should their Lordships think fit to pass the same, lie at once assented. But he informed that Noble
In those remote times Paul 111. deposed Henry VIII., and Lord, that if he would entrust the Bill to him
released his subjects from their allegiance. Just before the he would refer it to the Committee then sitting
Act in question passed Paul IV. ha acted with equal vio- on criminal law ; and that he would request them to consit'er
lenee towards Queen Elizabeth, He declared it was the the subject, and make report upon it. It was for this reason,
height of presumption for Queen Elizabeth to claim the and for this reason alone, that those parts of the Bill were
crown of England without his permission. It was under struck out, that he had thought or expressed any opinon
those provocations that the first statute of Elizabeth upon it. But as the sulject was one of such great import-
was passed, and unless there was some inherent vigour in the mice, and involved questions of such great magnitude, the
constitutional laws of England, which would make it, in spite Noble :Lord ought not to call upon him to express his opi-
of the statue which the Noble and Learned:Lord proposed to re- nion upon it. He referred those Bills to that Committee;
peal, penal for any one to put forth the power of the Pope to they had made their report upon the subject, and it was in
any such extent, we will no longer protect it from pursuance of that report he had brought in the present Bill and
the recurrences of such attempts at power. The laid it upon their Lurdships' table.—( Hear, hear.) Having
object of his motion was that their Lordships would made these statements, he was sure that their Lordships would
satisfy themselves of that inherent power in the constitution acquit him of inconsistency as to the course of conduct he had
to prevent such offences as those. He had thought it right to pursued. He felt most anxious that the Bill should pass with .
propose these questions, because it was not directly in the Bill the full concurrence of the Right Reverend Bench, anti, if pos-
before their Lordships, nor in the Act which they proposed, to Bible, with the concurrence of the Right Reverend
repeal any
clause which made it punishable to write, print, teach Prelate himself. He had been most anxious to
by express words, deed, or act, or maliciously deny the exclude from the Bill anything which could give
Queen's supremacy. The express denial of the Queen's rise to any difference of opinion among their Lordships.
supremacy was not made punishable by the Ist Since he had laid the Bill upon the table of the House a log g
of Elizabeth. It asserted the Queen's supremacy, but time had elapsed before he brought the Bill before their Lord-
it said nothing on the subject of denial, nor did the Bill ships for a second reading. He did this for the purpose of
which he held in his hand. Of course the Queen's supremacy receiving such suggestions from Noble Lords, Right Reverend
was as clear, undeniable, and unquestionable as any part of Pi elates, and from other quarters. He had received a suggesti, m
the constitution of this land, over things spiritual as well as from a Right Reverend Friend, for whom he entertained tl to
temporal, and to deny that supremacy must be a grave offence utmost respect for his learning and ability. He had adopt, td
against the constitution, and ought to be punishable at this suggestion, and the amendment which he should in corm !-
common law. But it was absolutely necessary for quence propose, he should introduce when their Lordships wel It
this House to know whether that was the case or into Committee on the Bill. There was one satisfaction whic h
or not before they proceeded to legislate with respect to the he had received from the speech of the Right Reverend Prelate,
penal enactments of the Ist statute of Elizabeth. On the sub.- he had directed their Lordship's attention only to two points
feet of Royal supremacy, he need not tell their Lordships that of the Bill, all the rest of the Bill he might, therefore, consider
they had the highest legal authority for stating that it was a as having met with his assent. There were two points only,
part—a special part—of the monarchy of this land.— namely, that which related to the statutes of the Ist. and 13th:.
( Rear, hear.) He need not say that Lord Coke and of Elizabeth.
Sir Matthew Hale had expressed their opinions on that subject, The Bishop of EXETER here made some remarks, which
on the strongest terms. He, therefore, hoped that the were inaudible in the gallery.
denial of that supremacy must be an offence against The Lord CHANCELLOR.—The Right Reverend Prelate
the common law. He should be quite content if the had confined his attention to the two heads to which he had
Noble Lord on the Woolsack would answer that question referred. He knew that upon former occasions the same
decisively and say that it was punishable by the common law. Right Reverend Prelate had stated that upon those poi nts,
When on a former occasion he addressed their Lordships on affected by the Bill before their Lordships, no differ,' nee
the second reading of this Bill, when his Noble and Learned of opinion could be entertained. He concluded, thereft ire,
Friend on the Woolsack proposed the insertion of a declaration that the Right Rev. Prelate had no very decided objection to
of the Queen's supremacy, he declared that he should the other portion of the Bill. Now the Ist of Elizabeth—the
have no hesitation in expressing himself satisfied with Act of Supremacy it was called—expressed in the fullest and
that, if his Noble and Learned Friend would go one most comprehensive terms the authority of the Sovereign of
step further—if he would consent to a punishment this country in all matters spiritual and ecclesiastical.
being annexed for the crime of denying the Sovereign's sill-Au- Nothing could be more comprehensive, distinct, or decisive,
macs. But his Noble and Learned Friend refused to advance than the terms of the Act. It is expressed in terms that no
this step ; he said that this was what he could not do ; that it persons on reading could entertain the slightest doubt upon
was contrary to the policy which had actuated them in the subject. It afterwards proceeded to impose an oath, calling
bringing forward the Bill ; and this was the reason why upon persons filling certain offices to declare their adherence
he wished to extort from his Noble and Learned to the doctrines therein set forth. It afterwards proceeded to
Friend the inquiry whether the denying of the Queen's impose severe penalties upon persons, not who should deny the
supremacy would be punishable at common law supremacy, but who should maintain and defend the spiritual
The Pope claimed a spiritual jurisdiction ia fro exteriorum, and ecclesiastical authority of any foreign power, prince, or
but if the claims advanced by him were allow ed, it would give potentate. Now it was perfectly clear that the abridgement
a power to him which their ancestors viewed with great jealousy, of those penalties in effect rested with this Act of Parliament.
because they thought that it gave to a foreign power an essen- But what was the state of the Roman Catholic Chureih now,
tial authority over the Crown of this country. But he (the not in England alone, but over the world? The Act
Bishop of Exeter) must be permitted to say, that of Parliament inflicted the severest penalties, as for
thejurisdiction of the Pope in furo exteriorum high treason and mis-prison of treason it inflicted
was of that extended character that the subjects the forfeiture of all property on those who admitted
of this country could not allow. The Pope's claim the spiritual or ecclesiastical supremacy of any foreign pri rice,
an faro interiors, affected the conscience, and was, prelate, or potentate. Was it not a matter of public notoriety
therefore, of a most formidable character. The Pope
—did
moment doubt it—that any Ro tan"
had the power of deposing kings and governments, Catholic,ny
in this empire, or in any other, did not look up to
by absolving men from their oaths of allegiance. It was, the Pope as his spiritual and ecclesiastical' head ?If there was
therefore, he thought, necessary to protect this country against any doubt upon the subject, he would refer their Lordships t
such influence if they could do so consistently, and through the the speeches of the Right Rev. Prelates who had spoken when
medium of an Act of Parliament. The House would find that this Act of Elizabeth w.as in Progress.through Parliament. It
the Pope not only still had that power, but that it was was by them admitted, in the most distinct, the most precise,
justided by some of the most modern and liberal ' and the plainest terms. Their Lordships would find this prin-
ciple admitted in the speeches of the Archbishop of York end
Roman Catholic writers of this corn ry. Dr. 'Milner and
Dr. O'Connell, than whom there was not a more liberal man, the Bishop of Chester. But more than this, it they looked to
t for instance, justified, nay, advocated the power of the the canons o the Roman Catholic Church, they would find
Pope to absolve parties from their allegiance. The
this doctrine stated in the most distinct the
f that.mos
rdirerhn ' ,
Romanand
extract from the work of the Rev. Gentleman went to
Catholic clergy took their oaths to conform to these tenets. They
show the great danger of the power, of absolution from oath
must therefore take it as part of the doctrines of the Romish
by the ministers of the Roman Catholic religion. An officer
Church that they regarded the Pope as their superior --as the
of the army, for instance, professing that faith, might
person whom they were to look up to as their itshireiitrulal andi ec-
be absolved from the oath which, he . had taken
clesiastical head. They had admitted this in and disavow his allegiance to his Sovereign.—( Hess,)
enactments. He would refer them to the oath contaiti led aitnivae
The individual was not allowed to judgeforhim himself, but was
particularfstatute
n of
prince,
offices.Eliz apbr prelate,
it
ahßt,,
ey,
stwhichtbaatte,owao•
trat
is epcelrahsraoevndes
thatholding
s ti. o
entirely in the power of those who were the heads of the reit-
irn
thep os
ed
parties
shouldnn d
gion which he professed, as they led him toNbeeetliiehvede,stahyatthatitie.ioy
could absolve him from any inc ig . y .
1-anal or ecclesiastical jurisdictionwithinpotentate, any pi-
this consisted the whole danger to which he referee . He said
by these realms. That
this power of absolving from oath, .
which was admitted the
must not be set forth form was used—that oath was universally administered, until
highest Roman Catholic authorities, within late -ears when they th - -.
power could not cmeelvas had altered it. They
in this Protestant land—that such a had altered ') in '
country. —(Hear.) it deference to the opinions of persons professing
exist without great danger to the .
d d'ff the Roman Catholic religion. They found it impossible to
there was a wi e i Lrence
Their Lordships would see that impose such
ttitv- forth oaths on their fellow-countrymen, and they had,
between entertaining an opinion, and extolling, pu p ' therefore, struck out the words spiritual and ecclesiastical, and
and maintaining it to the world. Let those persons in corn- inserted the words civil and temporal. After having done
munion with the Pope believe, if they pleased, his supremacy, it not clear that they admitted that persons professing tl le Roman
and let them in their conscience act as they thought the doctrine Catholic religion looked up to the Pope as their religious and
taught them; but let them not feel at liberty to set forth to the ecclesiastical superior? Then, when they allowed in this
world those opinions. They are immoral, and being immoral, country the free exercise of the Catholic religion, and when
they are consequently indecent. Would the opinion of the they knew that this was a fundamental principle of that reli-
Anabaptists be tolerated in this country, who maintain that gion—when they knew that professors of that religion
every thin; , • hill, should be held in common? The remarks discharged their duties by maintaining the principle, how
he was making did not of course refer to those could they consistently with themselves visit them with the
p
Noble Lords present who were in communion with the oee. penalties due to high treason and prenzunire? How could
statutes from the statute- they confiscate and take from them all theirpersonal
It was propesed to strike out these . property ?
forward ' ' •which inconsistency he was anxious to remove by
book without any practical evil having been brought , . This was an .
No ,this
the introduction of law.—(Hear, hear.) He would say
as resulting from their continuance on the statute-book.
but improper to retain the old. laws. They
it was not said that there was any grievance of that kind,
they were told that they were put into a
n invidious had gone too far. They should not have taken the steps that
.
position. If they were a people of that sort he had, they had already taken, if
they were not prepared to follow
to be
for his own part, not the slightest objection to the subject by this final step,
said this law consistentwould withlead
extend to them any privileges which were consistent themselves. But then it was
with the full security and enoment of the Protestantbecause they did not
to a great deal of mischief,
~
term "spiritual.
Constitution of this country. Hewould now proceed to
say know exlctly what was meant by the
something with reseect to the other uestion that he should And then it was said that it
night lead to the
the monarch
move their Lordships Learned Judges—he
to propuse to the absolving of subjects from their allegiance to
meant that which asked, whether independently of so much of of this country, but in reply to the statement of the Right Rev.
the said Act of the first year ofthe •
reign of Elizabeth Prelate he would again quote the case to which he had ' referred,
before recited, and also before said Act passed in the fifth it distinct answer, which was this—that if any person
and
the
year of the Caine reign,circulated and inculcated immoral principles, he
also of the Act, passed in the trill-- in the country
teenth year of the '
reign
of Queen Elizabeth as is above recited, was amenable law, to the and liable to be punished by the corn-
intituled " An Act against the bringing Elizabeth
and• cution of bulls, writings, ' in in exe-
putting mon law of the country. It was not necessary to have any en-
or instruments, and other superstitio
us actment for that purpose. .
The common law was sufficient to
things, from the See of Rome " i "description, and if any such case were car-
of England, and punishable as ~ebt is
to
on offence against the law reach cases of that
Mon any such bull, writings,or instruments
bring in or put in execu-properly animadverted
ried into a court Of justice, it would be...it
been
He was not sure whether this questiontrom the see of Rome. upon by the person who might preside on it. iaad
would receive from the that if they repealed
Learned Judges such an answer urged, both in the House and out of doors,
as would fully satisfy ' abro eate and
this case. He was afraid that those learned him in the penalties of those old laws, they would in fact
~,
would hesitate before they spoke of bulls
a persons abolish the supremacy of the Sovei eien of England.—( No, no.)
in such a manner. He eished they mieht. gent rally
A He was glad to find that that argument had not. been repeated
that they might. Bulls were matters known to the 'lahohpe"f that night, although on a farmer evening they had heard much
England- They were mentioned in the Statutes and hews of that sort of argument. But supremacy rested upon a founds-
of England. The, efore the Learned Judges would 'be tion too solid to be so shaken—( Hear, hear)—and did. not de-
prepared to put a construction upon the word " bull ,; peed upon the Act of Parliament to which he had referred.
Their Lordships would permit him to say that bulls It was past of the common law of the land.—( Hear, hear.)
'llse
were instruments that had passed as it w ere under Right Rev. Prelate had admitted that it was so. The
the Great Seal of the Folic of Rome. They law upon that subjec', he was prepared to show, if
were in fact such instruments as passed under the Great it were necessary to d i so—he was prepared
Seal of our own Gracious Sovereign. " Briefs " were, to show that it had been recoenised by repeated
on the contrary, under the Seal of Rome. b Acts of the Legislature, and that it "had been laid down
y the judges of this country '
Bulls were so called (if hairy Lordships would ( H
ear, hear)
he made the explanation from , Lord Coke, in that masterly case to which he
forgive him whilst
„., . (the Lord Chancellor) hadreferred, •
a barbarous Greek word, " boula, which s igni- I commented in an able
manner upon the law and the facts, and
fled a leaden instrument. There were "bulls of grace" and summed
.up the whole
by showing that, by ancient and
" bulls of justice, the seals of the former being attached to iof Parliament, by long practice and wage,
decisions—by Acts
ac-
the written documents by twine, whilst those of , knowledgment, and established be\ theoundage'and continual
the latter consisted of some less dignified material. doubt—the supremacy of the Crown in possibility of a
of these bulls, he would remind their Lordships tees was a part of the common-law of
this
eouenctcle,iasti cal mat-
In respect
that it was not until a late year that it was absolutely compel- be no danger, therefore, in repealing those penalties
ry. There could
Elisabeth to propose to Parliament and on Par • they were—there could be no danger to the supsema'csevoefret as
sore on Queen he
liament to enact this statue; which was now about to , monarch. lie felt that it was the duty-of their Lorishi •f
be expunged. 1 hat statute not only made ,t, i not to repeal, at all events to modify to a considerable extentl '
high trees' n to introduce a bull such as j (Hear, hear.) The Irish Act
to which the Bill had reference
that which Pine the Fifth issued against Queen Elizabeth, '
I was still in force. By that Act, if a party maintained the spiri..
deposing that Sovereign, declaring her throne vacant, and call— tual;npremacy of the Pope, for his first offence he was liable

to the forfeiture of his personal estate; for his second offence r
he was liable to be punished by prernunire, and their Lordships
were well aware what an infliction that was; it deprived the
party of all his property, and at the same time deprived him of
aal 1 benefittfohremer oce
occasion, it
laws—soit wasonce
much that,hdsooubt
ed as
whether h e stated
at uponpr y
who had subjected himself to a premunire might
not be killed with impunity.—( Hear, hear.) For the third
o
offence (and this was a part of the law of the land) he was
guilty of high treason. So that they tolerated the free exer-
cise of the Catholic religion, and they knew that it was always
a fundamental part of that religion that a party should main-
tain and defend the spiritual supremacy of the Pope. And it
was, therefore, incumbent upon them to do so ; and if they did
their duty the laws of England still declared that they should
be punished in the severe manner to whirls he had referred.
--( Hear, hear.) It was impossible to maintain such laws.
All these penalties were not in force in Ireland, and he only
now asked their Lordships to repeal them with respect
to England.—( Hear, hear.) But, said the Right Reverend
Prelate, how monstrous it was to introduce this Bill without a
preamble, Why, the Bill spoke for itself ; but he did not wish
their Lordships to repeal these Bills, unless they were satisfied
that they ought not to remain any longer upon the statute
book. IN by was it necessary to point out that which must he
obvious to everybody ? Was it necessary to point
out the expediency cf repealing unjust, cruel, and
vexatious laws ? Was it necessary to have a pre-
amble to explain a purpose like this?—(Hear, hear.) Fie
thought not, and therefore it was why he had introduced
none. The thing spoke for itself. —( Hear, hear.) But for
fear any one should imagine that they were striking any blow
at the supremacy of the Crown, he was prepared to introduce
a proviso, with the view of restricting the repealing power of
the Bill to those provisions which imposed the penalties.—
( Hear.) This, however, did not coincide with the wishes of
the Right Rev. Prelate. He wanted, it would seem from his
question, still to have some punishment for offenders against
these Acts.—(hear.) Well, then, he would tell the eight
Rev. Prelate, that
cif any parties wilfully and maliciously in-
fringed the provisions of these Acts, they still would be liable
to punishment under the common law of the land. If any
person called in question the supremacy of the Crown of Eng-
land, that person was liable to prosecution by the common
law of the country. He now came to the 13th of Elisabeth,
by which the importation of bulls from the see of Rome was
declared to be high treason. That was a simple statute en-
actment, and therefore he proposed to remove it. Whether or
not it should be entirely repealed, or whether it should be varied
and altered, it was not for him at present to say. That would
be a subject for consideration. It
_was perfectly well known
that bulls were constantly imported from the see of Rome, and
they were obliged to wink and connive at it. They declared a
particular act high treason, and yet when it took place they
did not attempt to prosecute. What a state for the law to be
in ; and how degrading was such a state of thit,gs. But it was
said that if they repealed that statute they would sanction the
introduction of bulls for political purposes, directed against the
Crown, against the authority of the Government, and against
the temporal interest of a private individual. He felt equally
indignant with the Right Reverend Prelate, at the insolent
assumption of power which had been exhibited by Pope Gre-
gory, in the time of Henry IV. of France, and of the Pope in
the time of Napoleon, but did that apply to the present case ?
The common law was sufficient to protect them from bulls
being introduced for improper purposes , was it necessary then
to keep this Act of Parliament in the statute hook? A question
had been raised as to whether they should qualify the repeal of
this Act, or whether they should leave the common law to take
its course. His answer was, that if they attempted to draw
nice distinctions they might do that which they did not intend
to do. It was a dangerous course to adopt. Nothing could he
more important in a Bill of this description than its being car-
ried without haste through the House, and therefore if their
Lordships should be of opinion that the question of the Right
Reverend Prelate should be submitted to the Learned Judges, he
fur one should not offer any opposition to that course.
Lord BROUGHAM was glad to find that the Right Rev.
Prelate had said that he swath be satisfied with the opinion of
the law Lords. There could be no doubt that it was com-
pe for them to submit a question upon legislative matters
to the consideration of the Judges, but he would fain submit to
their Lordships whetht r it would not be better to confine such
appeals to the Judges to cases of eminent difficulty. Now, if
this was a doubtful question, they would not be able to get an
answer this session, and if it was not a doubtful question, it
need not, be referred to the judges at all. He entirely con
curred with his Noble and Learned Friend in the answer which
he had given to his Right Rev. Friend. He had no doubt
upon the subject. Nothing could be more offensive than the
interference of a foreign prince, and this opinion was held in
France, for there no bull was allowed to go into the country
without being first examined. Yet the Pope called the King
of France the eldest son of the Church. There was no penalty
in this country, according to the common law, for the intro-
duction of bulls, rescripts, or other writings from Rome, pro-
vided they contained nothin7 that was blasphemous, seditious,
or immoral. If they contained such doctrines, they
were liable to prosecution, like all other papers with
similar contents, come from where they wculd. There could
be no doubt that that which gave rise to this statute of Eliza-
beth was an infamous overt host of treason; but such an act
could be punished by the common law of the land. He had
further observations to make on this subject, but he should re-
serve them for the Committee.
After a few words in explanation from the LORD CHAN-
CELLOR,

Lord DENMAN said he had heard with great satisfaction
the Right Rev. Prelate state that he was willing to accept the
opinion of the law Lords in that house. An appeal to the
judges would draw them from those important duties which now
pressed upon them. He would, however, take the liberty of
saying, that he was quite sure that if any doubt could possibly
be entertained upon the question now submitted, they would
sacrifice their own convenience, and even a portion of the pub•
lic convenience, rather than allow that doubt to exist for a sin-
gle hour. He had been surprised to hear the Right Rev. Pre-
late doubt whether the Crown of this country was imperial and
independent. Even during the time when the Pope had most
power in this country, it was acknowledged that he had no in-
fluence over the Crown of England— that he had no power
above the supremacy of the Crown, and any per-
son who attemi ted to impugn or to endanger that
supremacy, was liable to the punishment of loss
of life, of banishment, and of confiscation of property.
He had no hesitation in answering the Right Reverend Prelate,
that ncthing in the shape of a bull, or edict, or anything of the
sort, could be introduced into this country which could in any
way injure the supremacy of the Crown ; for the supremacy
of the Crown depended not upon the statute, but the common
law of the land.—( ear, hear. )
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Lord CA 41PBELL said he:wished to add a few words to
whst had fallen from his Noble Friend who had just sat down.
It was a mistake to suppose that the Church was higher than
the Crown, for the Crown had power over all authorities, whe-
ther civil or religious ; that it was this power which was under-
stood to be the supremacy of the Sovereign. That supremacy
was established by the common, and not by the statute law, and
any person who attempted to injure it—nei matter howsoever he
did so—was liable, under the common law, to the severest
punishment. With regard to the first question of the Right
Reverend Prelate, he could state that the Bill applied to all
bulls, no matter at what time they were issued,
and nothing could be introduced cr published in this
country which could in any way endanger or
stigmatise the dignity or supremacy of the Crown. He re-
joiced exceedingly that the time had arrived when they could
repeal these obnoxious Acts, but he thought it was the duty
of Government to follow it up by taking steps to restrict the
influence of the Pope in this country. In no pact of the
world could Popery prove more powerful than in this, and he
for one thought that some diplomatic intercourse should be
established with the Pope; for in const.quence of the non-
existence of that intercourse: the Pope possessed more influ-
ence over the people of this country than he otherwise
would do.— ( Hear, hear.)
Lord BEAUMONT did not think it would have been ne-
cessary for him to trespass on their Lordships' time, but the
Right Rev. Prelate, instead of confining himself to the ques-
tions of which he had given notice, had entered into other sub-
jects, and had attributed to the Catholic faith powers and in-
fluences which he totally denied. On a former occasion he
attempted to explain to their Lordships the great difference
which existed between dogmas of faith arid matters of disci-
pline, and declared that the Pope had no power over the su-
premacy of the sovereignty of this country. Their Lordships,
however, did not feel satisfied with his humble authority for
this, and he would therefore quote to them Roman Catholic
documents in favour of his declaration. The Noble Lord
then quoted several answers to queries put by Mr. Pitt to the
faculty of divinity of Louvain, in which it cas stated that the
Pope had absolutely no power or authority over the supremacy
of the Sovereign of any country out of his own domains. He
thought this was a sufficient answer to wha t had fallen from the
Right Rev. Prelate, but as a proof of di ese answers made by
the faculty of the divinity of Louvain he c( odd state that there
was no connexion whatever between the Pope and the Roman
Catholic clergy of that empire, excepting 'through the Bishops,
who were answerable to the State for every thing they did,
and whose edicts and orders were submittthi to the State before
they were issued. With regard to the :Noble and Learned
Lord on the Woolsack, having struck out of the Bill, which he
had the honour of introducing, a clause re pealing some of the
very Acts annulled by the present Bill, ho begged to remind
their Lordships that the Noble and Learns tl Lord did so, be-
cause he thought that the Bill in its then fo rm was imperfect,
but at the same time the Noble and Learned Lord promised to
introduce in a future session a Bill to rope: sl these obnoxious
Acts.—( Hear, hear.)
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even within the last five years, the Pope had exercised his
authority over the supreme power of the so vereign of Spain.
He had confiscated the property of several ecclesiastical divines
and declared some of the Acts of the sovere;.gn of that country
to be absolute nullities.--( Hear, hear. )---1 t was very true that
Popery would be more powerful in this o 3untry than in any
other if this Bill should pass. There s ,vas no country in
Europe where they would suffer the Romi: sh bull to be intro-
duced without the consent of the Secretary of State. He con-
sidered it absolutely necessary that these i‘ culls should not be
introduced free of penal enactments. If Uto bill were passed
they would have no security against papal t ,ulls. It had been
found necessary in every country to restrain t he bulls of Rome.
He had always opposed the spread of Poperl- , and he hoped
they would continue to do so. He consider tid that to allow
the extolling of Popery, and to sanction the introduction of
bulls would be little short of treason. The Right Reverend
Prelate concluded his speech by impressing their Lordships
with the necessity of determining in Cora t nittee on some
measure which would ensure the tree exercise of the opinions
of the Catholic people without, however, extolling the authority
of the Pope, and which would support the independence of
the Crown, and prevent the introduction of 'papal bulls into
the country.

FRIENDLY SOCIETIES 131 LL.
The Friendly Societies' Bill was advanced a stage.
CHARITABLE TRUSTS
The consideration of this Bill was furthoi: postponed from
Thursday to Monday next.
Their Lordships thee, rose at half-past S_ev e n o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, .117ay 11.
The SPE t.KUR took the Chair at Four o'el oek.
BILSTON GAS-LIGHT AND COKI COMPANY.
The report on this Bill was agreeil to, ak ordered to be en•
grossed.
DUBLIN, DUNDRUAL AND ENNIS KERRY RAIL.
WAY BILL.

This line was read a second time and or dered to be corn.
mitted.

BURY WATERWORKS .

The report on this Bill was brought up an d agreed to.
LONDON AND BIRMINGHAM I lAILWAY.
Mr. GREENE mov,,d that the London and Birmingham
Railway (Coventry to Nuneaton) Bill be re; id a second time,
notwithstanding the time prescribed by the essional order has
expired, the agents not having obtained the b reviate till the 4th
of May.—The motion was agreed to.
REPORTS.
The following reports were brought tic., the a mendments and
alterations agreed to, and the Bills orders .d to b e engrossed :
St. Austell Small Debts.
York and North Midland Railway (vl/41 hitby and Pickering

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Extension).
Forth and Clyde Junction Railway.
Stirling and Dunfermline Railway.
Bristol Waterworks.
Wath-upon-Dearne Improvement.
Leeds and Thirsk Railway ( St. Helen's mut AI Deviation
Leeds and Thirsk Rail way (Knaresborougl t Extension).
Dundee and Perth Railway Amendment.
Slamannan Railway ( Rathgate and Jawcra ig Branches).
Scottish Central Railway (Peal; Termini i trol Stations).