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tion of confidence in her Majesty's Government, he
could not, for a moment admit that it was involved
in that ; but even if it were, he could not say
that he was prepared to vote against the measure.—(Hear,
hear.) The details, too, they had nothing to do with. It was
the principle they had to decide upon, and the details might
afterwards be so arrsnged as to render the provisions of the Bill
purely harmless, so far as the innocent and inoffensive were
concerned. He had no hesitation then in affirming the prin-
ciple of the Bill, and whatever might be the result of the deci-
sion, he should have the satisfaction of knowing that he had
given his vote according to the dictates of his own conscientious
convictions, and without reference to factious or party feeling.
Major BERESFORD—The Noble Lord had not proved
that the Bill would have any beneficial effect. Tir Hon.
Member for Birmingham had done the same thing, Ind left
the question exactly where he found it. The Right Hon. Baronet
had also pursued the same course, and he had stated that one of
the chief difficulties in the administration of justice in Ireland was
that of the utter impossibility of obtaining evidence to convict.
Would the Bill for losing up the people in their cabins have
such an effect?—(Year, hear.) He would vote for the Bill if
he considered that it would have any effect, but feeling con-
scious that it would not, he would record his vote against it.
He had conversed with many of his Irish Conservative friends,
who said that the Bill was a bad one, but that it should pass,
because if it were rejected it would give a triumph to a par-
ticular party in Ireland. But he was of a different opinion.
He considered it would be a triumph to the country, and prove
that England was ready to treat Ireland in a spirit of justice.
After a few words from Mr. AUDERLEY (as we be-
lieved, in favour of the measure) but which did not reach the
gallery,
NEWDEGATE rose amidst loud groans, and cries of
" Oh, oh," which rendered him for some time itaudible,
and in the midst of which he abruptly terminated his speech.
Capt. HARRIS wished to know the use of such a measure,
which would merely have the effect of shutting up the honest
man all night, and leaving the field clear for the
midnight ruffian.
Act freely and frankly towards the people of Ireland, and that
noble race would be always found to support the acts of this
country. He had never but one opinion on the Catholic
question, and that was that the emancipation ought to have
b.en granted.—(Hear, hear.) He warned the Government
against the policy they had adopted, as one which would be
of the greatest injury to the peace and prosperity of the
country.
Captain JONES had heard the last Hon. Member state that
the existing law was quite sufficient for the suppression of
crime in Ireland, but that was not the case. It was well
known that the present law was inadequte to the protection'of
life and property.
Lord INGESTRE said, that on the first introduction of
the Bill he voted for it, on the grounds that life and property
were not secure in Ireland. Had the question been followed
up in the same spirit it was introduced, he would have gladly
supported the Government ;abut under present circumstances
he thought he would act the most consistent and judicious part
by abstaining from voting altogether.—(Loud cries of " Oh,"
and " Divide, divide," amid which the Hon. Member sat
down.)
Mr. PETER 13011THWICK only wished to say that his
vote would be given on the merits of the Bill, and on no other,
consideration. (Loud cries of "Divide, divide.")
Mr. COBDEN-1 can assure the House I am not going
to offer many observations to it, but I wish to say a few
words as to the vete lam about to give. I shall divide
myself with three classes of persons : the first those who have
hitherto voted against this Bill because they object to its
policy as an Irish question ; next, I shall vote with those who
voted for the question on the first reading, but who are not now
prepared to support it ; and then I shall find myself united, to
my great surprise, with a large number of gentlemen who sit
below the gangway.—( Loud cheers and laughter.) I do not
wish to put a construction on the conduct of any Member or
Members, but I wish to clear myself from any sort of suspicion
in the vote which I shall give. I wish to clear myself, 1
say, and in doing so I may render some service to some Ho-
nourable Members near me, in showing that the construction
put on the motion by the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn
does not apply to us.—(Cheers.) The Noble Lord told us
very. frankly what was the object of his vote.--( Hear.) That
we intended to join together to do justice to the Right Hon.
Gentleman in the present session. The Noble Lord said that
he did not think that any honest man, however he might like
the treason, did not abhor the traitor.—( Hear.) I think that
Ido justice to the Noble Lord.—(Hear, hear.) It is a vote
of censure on the Right Hon. Baronet in the estimate of the
Noble Lord. I beg to repudiate for myself, and for Gentle-
men around me, any share with Hon. Gentlemen on the
opposite side of the House in such a construction
on our part on the vote about to be given.—(Cheers.) Shall
we, affecting as we do to represent public opinion, give such
a vote, when there has been no dispute as to the measures of
the Right Hon. Gentleman this session, and above all as
to the most popular measure any Minister ever brought for-
ward ?—( Loud cheers.) We should be outraging public
opinion if we allowed such a construction to be put on our
votes—(Hear, hear), and at such a time too—(Loud cries of
" Hear, hear)"—when the great measure of the session has just
been brought from another place.—(Cheers.) 1 may irnigine
the Noble Lord wishing to do poetical justice to the Right
Hon. Gentleman at the very moment of his triumph at pass-
ing that Bill—(Hear, hear)—but I beg that you will put no
such construction on the vote I am about to give at any
rate—( Cheers, and cries of " Divide.") I promise that I
will not say a word on the merits of the Bill, but it appet.rs
that the Right lion, Gentleman attaches such importance to
this Bill, that he is determined that the Government shall
stand er fall by it. I have nothing to do with that, but lam
resolved as to the vote I shall give, for I am not going to stul-
tify my vote, or to vote as the Noble Lord has intimated he
will, to vote black is white to turn out the Minister.—(Cheers
and loud cries of " Divide.") I said two months ago that I
believed it was quite possible before the corn-law passed that
Right Hon. Gentleman would be put in a minority by some
cross vote, for Hon. Gentlemen below the gangway would give
any vote inconsistent with their personal honour, which in the
House I cannot call in question.—( Hear.) Therefore it is
hopeless to endeavour to keep the Right Hon. Baronet in
power by a single vote, and as I said before they would do it
again, and vote black is white to turn him out.—(Cheers, and
cries of " Divide.") I beg to assure Gentlemen opposite that
this state of parties will receive a solution out of doors.—(Cries
of " Hear, hear," from the Opposition, responded to by cheers
from the Protectionists.)-1 cannot conceive that with three
parties in this House we shall be able to carry on the Govern-
ment.—( Hear, hear.) There must be at least a fusion of
two parties.—( Cheers, and cries of " Oh, oh," from the Pro-
tectionists.) Ido no not see any probability that the honour-
able Gentlemen below the gangway and the Right Honour-
able Gentleman and his friends will unite, and I confess
that I am very glad of it.—( Hear, hear.) I should regret
nothing snore than to see the Right Honourable Gentleman
forced back to ally himself with the rearward party.—( Cheers
and laughter.) But there is another alliance which might
take place--( Loud cries of " Hear, hear," from the Free-
traders)—and it has already taken place in the
wishes of the country, although not in this House,
for there is nothing, in the opinion of the country, between
the Noble Lord and the free-trade policy give& out by the
Right Honourable Baronet.—(Loud cheers, and cries of " Oh,
oh," from the Protectionist party.) I do not unperstand
what inference is to be drawn from that cheer opposite. I
do riot hold out for the change proposed Icy the Hon. Gentle-
man below the gangway, but if the feeling takes place out of
doors, and the rank and file follow, the battle between the
chiefs must be abandoned, and there must be a similar fusion
in the House ; for that would be the government of a ma-
jority, the measures of which could not be put off. I only rose
to say, in contradiction to the construction which might be put
upon my vote, that if the Right lion. Gentleman retires in
consequence of this vote, he will still carry with him the re,
spect and gratitude of a larger number of the population of
the empire than ever followed any Minister he had ever heard
of.—(Loud cheers.)
Mr. RASHLEIGH—Not the working classes.—(Cheers,
and counter-cheers.)
Mr. COBDEN—The Hon. Member for Cornwall says,
" Not the working classes."
Mr. RASHLEIGH—I repeat it again.—(Cheers.)
Mr. COBDEN—I am sorry that the lion. Member exhi-
bits such excitement in making the declaration, but can he use
the same expressions with regard to the voting classes?—
(Cheers, and counter-cheers.) I think that the Right Hon.
Baronet has shown great forbearance to Hon. Members below
the gangway, in not having availed himself of the strength
which he possesses in the country, and not having taken them
at their words, by appealing, before he abandoned office, to the
constituencies of
.the empire.—(Cheers.) Should he not do
so, however, I feel that I am not misinterpreting the opinions
of the people, not only of the electors, but more especially of
the working classes, when I tender him in my own name—as I
might in theirs—my heartfelt thanks for the unwearied perse-
verance, for the unswerving firmness, for the great ability with
which he has during the last six months urged on one of the
most magnificent reforms ever effected in any country, through
this House of Parliament.—(Loud cheering.)
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House
divided, when there appeared—

For the second reading
Against it
Majority against Ministers
The announcement was received with loud cheers by the
Protectionists.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.

Messengers from the Lords brought up the following Bills,
which their Lordships had agreed to :—Corn Importation
Bill ; Customs Duties Bill ; Electric Telegraph Company
Bill; Ballochney Railway ( Shotts Branch) Bill : Bristol and
South Wales Junction Railway and Ferry Bill; Harrogate
Waterworks Bill ; Amendments to Amendments to London
and York Railway Bill ; Amendments to Administration of
.Criminal Justice Bill, without Amendment ; Superintendent
of Convicts Bill ; Edinburgh and Northern Railway (Strath-
earn Deviation) Bill ; Glasgow, Strathaven, and Lesmaha-
gow Direct Railway Bill, with an Amendment ; Edinburgh
and Northern Railway (Dunfermline Branch) Bill ; Glacgow,
Barrhead, and Neilston Direct Railway (Branches to Thorn-
liebank, liousehill, and Hurlet) Bill ; Bath Waterworks Bill,
with Amendments.
The Earl of LINCOLN obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
amend the law relating to the value of rateable property in
Ireland ; also a Bill for the abolition of the exclusive privilege
of trading or of regulating trades in cities, townsa,soirnbooproosue,gthts
in Ireland ; he wished to make an exception in favour of the
Goldsmiths' guilds.
Mr. GROGAN said, the rights which it w
affect were very old, and he did hope the House would hesitate very much before they would consent to adopt the principle of
the Bill.—Leave was then given. .
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