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number of schools and scholars—t'; e former being 273, the latter
3.7 ;U. The G ov'rnmr nt also proposed the e:tablishinent of
m. drl sch.ols in each e‘itrity in Ireland. The grant to May-
nooth bed been productive of great good ; and the new
establistted to furnish a sound and liberal education to
the middle classe-, wooed also be produc:ive of great benefit.
After a few words from Earl IiRE Y. arid
Earl St. GERMANS had spoken in reply,
Their Lordships:divided, when the numbers were—
For the motion
Against it
Majority
The Calico Prints Bill went through Committee.
The Consolidated Foul Bill was read a second time, and also
the with Sea Company Bill.
The other orders 01 the day were then disposed of, and their
Lordships adjourned at Half-past Twelve.

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ey t. It rinat•er .f ineifference whether that property should
tentl2tied exelusively To tee one :wet or to tee other; oei the
stotii‘r_Yahe iveum look et the real teurtdm ton of justice, vie he
the
ta"l, y that they ouch: rather to apply it to the wants of
the fewnY, than to make•it appltceble orey to the purposes of
tg4_, geof those wealthy classes of the community who main-
de their chapleins in their own hotisee. That they might
,Y,trith this still ict he had no doubt, but when his Noble 1
fililbearned Friend spoke of putting down agitati in, perhaps
4444 Fitzwilliam) might be allowed to ask, if anything had
psi tut) for Ireland that had not been extracted
jesti *Wand by agitation? If they had acted perfectly
,„oteards Ireland and all her Members, then indeed there
4-4'7,4 be something in his Noble and Learned Friend's views
ahsebjeet—soefeihing in his expressions of putting down
legation But his Noble and Learned Friend knew well that
snes ands-(' had never got any ttreg except by aeitation. and there-
taTicrhis Noble and Learned Friend's dictum to put down agi-
-1,414, was saying neither more nor less than, put down the HOUSE OF COM MOLN S, March 23.
f getting anything for Ireland. what measure had The SPEAKER took the Chair at a few miutues to Four.
tar got now ? One to prevent men from being out in the dis- SECOND READINGS.
districts after sunset or before. sunrise. On these The following Bills were read a second time and
km__ he wood snppeirt the motion brought forward by his passed, viz •
ktt;to yriend. lie thought that it eminently deserved the , •
Rich n of the country, for they were intimately connected Scottis Central Railway (Denny Branch).
,lithe well-being of Ireland. The aristocracy of that coup- Scottish Central Railway (Alloy Branch).
Wlwere in an anomalous position, as anomaly perhaps as any Scottish Central Railway (Crieff Branch).
bp fe:lbing in Ireland. The aristocraey in England had grown Scottish Central Railway (Perth Termini and Stations).
tees, the people ; but the aristocracy in Ireland was super- Sirethte,y arid Breadalbane Reilway.
Rioting upon the people, and if ever there was an oligarchy Caledonian Northern Direct Railway.
ti ing in any country, it existed in Ireland in her Irish House Caledonian Railway (Langholnse Branch.)
peers, and still more in her House of Commons. Sirlingshire Midland Jutiction Railway.
BROUGHAMrd„ explained. Caledonian Railway (Clydesdale Junction Railway De-
The
epollsdlarquis of CLAN RICARDE would beg to trespass viation), I
Iris the
attention of the House for a few moments. He Caledonian Railway (Glasgow Termini 'and Branches).
"rn
Iscitre more induced to speak upon this matter, because the Caledonian Railway (Carlisle Deviation).
k,'_' Duke had said, in alluding to a petition which had been ~
7ehteri by him e olloc and Govan and Clydesdale Junction Railways
(Lord Clanricarde) some two years age, that
beflietence of the Established Church was one of the A inalgatnetion.
;Tunics of Irelands The Noble Duke, he was sure, spoke Caledonian Railway (Glasgow, Garnkirk, and Coat-
li;ltTmt any distinct recollection of the words in his peiition ; bridge Railway Parelitiee).
42e would take upon himself to assure the Noble Duke that Glasgow, Strathaven, and Lesmahagow Direct Railway.
4;4 wrong in so stating, for he (Lord Clanricarde) had Glasgow, Paisley, and Greenock Railway (Bridge of
Irel6gned a petition stating that the Church of England and Weir Branch).
eee laird was a grievance to the people of Ireland. And he might Caledonian, Polio° and Govan, and Clydesdale Junction
,
ce:_ that the Noble Lords who with him sigued that petition, Railways Amalgamation.
iirse not a body whoentertained that opinion. Heagreed with the
Glasgow, Barrhead, and Neilston Direct Railway
etebleLord who opened the debate, that it was a most fortu-
(Branches to Paisley).
ospee,treumstance the-. the Irish Church had been brought for
te„,.in* connexion Viith any abuses that it would be difficult to Edinburgh,
, Leith. and Granton Railway Amendment.
011-`"Yi But he did not agree with him that the Irish itiltogow, Gernkirle. and Coatbridge Railway Extension.
seill!eh was at the bottom of all the evils in Ireland. 'that fetti:df, inf. Chichester, and Portsmouth Railway.
Ittoo'en had never been entertained by him; and when the Wesaan-iuper-Mare her.
h„,f'e Lord quoted the opinion of Grattan, he ought to have Bat•tiseire Railway.
Zusbered that in every motion he introduced for Catholic Bridhense Seweeing, Draining, and Lighting.
cl!eilati on he avowed his determination to maintain the Pis-mouth Cemetery.
orolisheti Church of Ireland; and he was sure, also, that on Tilunton Gas.
.4secords of the Committees, in the other House of Parlia- Yeovil Market and Fairs.
• liss.t2.they would find, in the evidence ot Mr. O'Connell, re-
Stockton Gas.
ititra over and over again, that the existence of the Church
eland was not considered a grievance. Much might be Dudley Canal and Birmingham Canal Companies Anna-
ls:* to rem: dy the evils complained of, by reg and Stour Valle
ulat- g.
kir the temporalities of that Church, and reforming the Birmingham, Wolverhampton, y Rail-
buses that existed.—(Hear.) But to one principle lie way (Stour Valley Line.)
eth)4l(l never consent, namely, to take from the revenues of that Birmingham, Wolverhampton, and Stour Valley Rail-
etttljeh, and appropriate them to the support of the Roman way (Birmingham, Welverhamptonrand Dudley Line.)
%pi:elle clergy. Noble lords en the other side had, in hi- didlatid Railway (Leicester and Swannington Railway
Rete',°°, mixed up two matters which ought to have been kept Alteration and Branches.)
fe,,,e'Y distinct, namely, paying the Roman Cathelie clergy Midland Railway ( Burton-upon-Trent to Nuneaton).
CI the funds of the Government, and preserving inviolate SOUTH WALES it AILWAY.
---rev,,
11,, revenues of the English Church. He considered, however, Mr. VIVIA.N moved the second reading of the South
vitZtla surplus fund might be formed for the purposes of pro-
le, g a joint education of the people. He was perfectly aware Wales Ralway Bill, when
kin the voluntary system was the very worst that could be Captain BlettleELEY hoped that the Hon. Member
kjaPtlljed in Ireland, but he would himself cheerfully submit to would not prises the second reading. It was well kuown
the u-taX for the support of the Roman Catholic clergy, at that the Rierd of Admiralty were (pried to the crossing
ok, same time that he would , remind Noble Lords of the river Severn at the Aust. forty, which was cern-
lei; it was not so easy to establish such a system as template(' by the South Wales Company; and when the
tee eLPersons might imagine, for not only would the consent of Bill should be carried before the Committee of the
es 6`ergy, but of the laity, be required. He (the Marquis house, with this fact before them, it was certain that
,ti.,i..s.uricartle) was almost sorry to hear the Noble Duke that the Committee would not allow the work to be pro
CReaking so cheerfully on the state of Ireland. They had
ieeded with. He understood that, in order beget over this
tf4te" the Coercion Bill the other day on the most meagre.
difficulty thc parties promoting the measure had a
It 4 n'ent, and with the slightest call ever made by a Minister,
which they proposed to carry the railway
I, ad been usual, when proposing such a Bill, to lay papers P'an '4
uten the table; it had been usual to give them strong proof older the river by means of a tunnel. The
ee_l such a measure was really necessary, bet the Noble Earl Berard of Admiralty would, in his (Orden,
iTueite had only made one speech, and he quoted from docu- ibject, quite as strongly to that mode as by the
tits which were not before the House, yet their r'ormer propesed plan ot a bridge, as it would completely
tdships' voted for that measure, not on account of prevent em\ future imprevement in the navigation of the
tlonoble Earl's single speech, but be cause it was universally Severn. The lion. Gentleman then read a letter which
it'n to them that the state of the country was such that there lied been received from the Admiralty Board, in which
40110 security for life or poverty. They had taken measures heir Lerdships expressed their strongest objection to
k
to provide food for the pour of that country ; a sufficient
tie river being ?nosed by a bridge ; and, in fact, any
:°f, he thought, that the resources of the country were un-
-I°ll to its requirements. It' they looked at the country in his
method of crossing the river which should ititerlere with
.(sbe I er navigation. He hoped thet the second reading
moist
a.pect, they would find the Queen's Govern-
Olt denuded of all authority, and the represents- of the Bill would be put .'ff t, •r a week, in order that the
siril or blajes'y occupying a position somewhat opinion of the Lords ef the Admiralty as to the proposed
lee'er to that of a superintendent of police. flannel might be obtained. Ile sh, uld, therefore, move
Ceti he said, also, he knew that Government had no hold on that the second reading of the Bill be adjourned to this
the e"wtty, they had not attempted to restore the influence of lay week.e
legitimateauthority,Ministry
he said that the Queen's Mr. RUSSELL biped the House would bear in mind
:ere alone to blame forthis state of things, He would ask, the cireur sta ces which attended the proposed railway.
•18 not the country in a different state wheu they received it . 'l' - n
He could assure the Hon. Gentlrnan that the Bill was
Il'hlo their hands 7 He would prove from the chmges of judges
new fremed in a mode which was deemed satisfactory
i,,ld° in 1842, that. the country was in a state of tranquillits.
diier9 One of hese charges confirmed that fact positively. He tee the Admiralty. He had in his poseessien a letter
*n not wonder at the attachment of the country to repeal, i rem the First Lord of the Admiralty,. which stated that
fittildering the way in which their rights had been treated of else Admiralty Beard would' give their entire assent to
%ftJeers. What was the couree pursued with regard to their the mode propostA by crossing the river by means of a
I,4.ive franchise t It was all but useless to the people of Ise- tunnel.
toot Who in that House could f eget the contests wh ein Captain BARCLAY said, if he hail known that the
re b Place a year after, on the municipal franchise? In Adrntralty had given their consent to the making of a
en : ltatl, Sir R. Peel made some observations in Parliament, tunnel, he would not have opposed the second reading
,trie subject of a remedy not having been found for that of the Bill.
e.„ Irs!,,lvance. He called it a disgustieg eta eof things, and he
The question was then put from the Chair, and the
71 eyed he used some harsher term They had arrived at the i,,i, ,
W as reed a se ettel time and erdered to bee:omitted.
fskster of feeti and now thee were teld that after the other ''"
ellsiness had been disposed of, ;omething of a Registration Bill NIIDLAND RAILWAY.—PURCHASE OF OAK
Mould be brought forward. The result was that the parties in HAM CANAL.
Ireland were disfranchised, and did not enjoy the right of doing Mr. PACKE opp ised the second reading of this Bill,
tt
they dal in England. Under present circumstances, a general as he did not deem it advisable that the c.inal should be
election might be expected before loeg, but even in the natural stopped. It was a queetion which involved the whole
kite
lad
yet
Parliament we must have one it, less than two years, calla' into rest ot the kingdom, and he would ask the
the. people of ireland were not in possession of their
elective rights, and a moment ought not to be lost in giving it House to consider how far a railway c impany should be
.° them. His. Honourable Friend seemed to think it allowed to interfere with the working. a canal, and
whether such a mode of proceeding would not cot ntuaoy
la rather wonderful that Mr. S. Crawford should have ob-
,ned leave to bring in a Rill fur fixity of :enure, but prejudice the interests of the public. De begged to move
'he would refer to the langu trio of Sir Robert Peel, they that, the Bill be read a second tin,' this day week.
Would see that when they advised that the Bilt should not he Colonel SIB CIL HOP thought it was high time taut
Lead a second time for fear of a defeat, he spoke in very n ild situne check eletuld be given to the monopelising system
eee'rins- Sir Robert Peel said, "he felt it necessary to discou- of the various railway companies.
"ifie what was termed fixity of tenure; at the same time he Mr. FINCH thought there was no good and valid
rtts not prepared to say that Government, fur fear of an unjust objection to the second reading of the Bid. The canal
Planation, should retrain from givieg the subject that censi- which the Honour tble Gentleman had spoken ot was the
aeration which was necessary to ascertain the difference be- w( get in the kingdom. and the great beefy of the proprie-
,. Ut-
.e t e
n the law in points of England and Ireland, in order to see tors of the canal were f4vourabli', to its sale. The rail-
i',Lt would justify the applicanou of a different system of law.
ugre was also a Bill brought forward by a Noble Lord, and way company proposed to furnish a better mode
'Which he (the Marquis of Clanricarde) had been accused of of coniepttice tu,..ifi that which was furnished at
13PPosing. The principle of the Bill was, that the present by the canal ; and he therefore trusted
tenant should have compensation for any improvement th.,t the lion-.e would not entertain the objection et
nee
IT:1on his farm, provided that he did not remain the MA sI. Gentlemn to the second reading of the Bill.
gt g enough on the farm to make a profit of it- After a few words from Lord G. SOIIERSE I',
• ;',as a just law jest in itself and consistent with every Sr JOHN TROLLOPE said that the Company
Zgat of property and sound principle of law. He said that, would enter into any arrangement to make the Canal
ii:People of Ireland were in some degree alien cted from Par- • mere advantageous to the public.
nent, and had no confide-ice in it, and that a great deal The amendment was then withdrawn.
e,,t
°re Lid at the door of the Government; for the method of
mi • FOit'Pß AND CLYDE RAILWAY.
°f the
the law must materially affect the confidence Mr. FORBES presented petitions from Stirlingshire
lltepeople of Ireland in the Parliament. An objection
Itl'uld U •and Perthshire in favour of the Forth and Clyde Rail-
s _ entertained to placing a man of violent part"), feel-
Ini,g to preside over a court of criminal law, but there waY-
'staid be no objection to placing such a man in a civil A.IANCH ESTER, LIVERPOOL, AND NEW-
*pot, Sir E. Sugden was -a
most distinguished Member CASTLE JUN,...:TION RAILWAY.
I. the other House, and a most violent party man, and did An HON. MEMBER presented a petition signed by
1/41)Y man in Ireland blame the appointment of Sir E. Sugden 4,000 persons. in favour of the abeve railway.
liet law court on the ground of his being a party man? Mr. GREENE brought up the report on the Scottish
40 polities of an indisidual did necessarily affect his appoint- Grand Junctien Railway Bill, which was ordered to le
bathe4t He had the assurance of experienced persons, that the laid on the table.
of Ireland had never been fraught with so much danger ltir. ENTWISLE presented a petition from the
e interests of England, or to the empire, as it was at that
Lancaster and Carlisle Railwa'; Company against the
' ti‘llmea.t. He had received those assurances from persons who North Briiieh Railway.
14" e old enough to remember and speak of the time previous
~ the year 1798, and he would believe what he heard, that at LONDON AND NEWCASTLE RAILWAY.
tr time of those disastrous prri,,ds was there so much danger Mr. I )UNCAN presented two petition* in favour of
?be apprehended, Under these circumstance, and concur- this Bell.
dg is he did with the views ot his Noble Friend, he felt it his BOLTON WATERWORKS BILL.
tttj to give this motion his support. Mr. muNTz presented a petition from the township
.jhe Duke of WELLINGTON said he was very anxious of Little Bolton, in Lancashire, against the Bolton Water-
Zit to omit a word which he saw in the paper, and which tended works Bill.
the interest of the people. W EST RIDING UNION RAILWAY.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH said he felt it necessary to
The HON. GENTLEMAN then moved that the ntinutes
tZree to some observations of the Noble Earl who had spoken
of evidence taken before the Sub-Committee on tht-
t,2, last but two. The Noble Earl had said that the arise,- petatioe for the West Riding Unit n Railway Bill, on the
.racy of this country had grown from the people, but that the
12th and 13th days of February, 1846, be referred to the
,:utaerar at Ireland were affitcted upon the people. He
their ancestors,
ask, whether there we' any great diff "'ewe between Counnittee on tree petition for the West Riding.Unior
band,
ancesters, who came over in the earlier ages sword in Railway Bill, presented on the 10th day of this instant
"4", and the manner in which the aristocracy had been March.
14inicted in Ireland? The Noble Marquis opposite had stated Sir G. CLERK considered that this mode of pro-
- litat the people of Ireland had no respect for the Imperial Le- ceeding would be altogether irregular. The promoters
Mature of the country. He denied this to be true. An hal had the consent of the Ctonteittee appointed to in-
e'lltation, he admitted, had long been going on to alienate the quire into their petition, and they had leave from this
ft'e ctions ot the people, not from the Imperial Parliament, but
,sottt this country. T fresn petition agitation, he was glad to say, had Ceir:niittee under peculiar circumstances, to present a
,
'''Qt succeeded, and the people were as strongly attached as tion to that House for leave to in.
ire a fresh Bill. But the present petition
ever to the Government and the country.
• The Duke of RICHMOND said, after the speech of the was to refer the evidence taken by the Com
toittee
Noble Earl with respect to the Irish Church, it was quite im- upon a former occasion to the Committee which might
Ixissibie fur him to support the Noble Earl's resolution. He be appointed to hear the petition since presented. Hi'
441 not however, wish it to be understood that he had in didi not Ct resider that it toll awed that the Bill now to be
ill '
0 slightest degree any confidence in the Government, be- brought in upon the new petition was similar to the Bill
.tease he had not; and what was more he never should have introduced upon the first pecition. He had heard
Lain, no
,re;tson stated why the petition should be acceded tee,
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he opposed the
and he must. •
thereft ire, objece to the motion of his
I etton, and attributed the distress of Ireland io absenteeism.
Honourable Friend. It was a, motion of an unusual
f Noble Lords who had estates in Ireland, instead of residing
St Brighton, or Paris, or other places on the continent, character ; the petition upon the present Bill
l'uuld occasionally visit their preperty, and see justic done to was altogether a new and substantive measure. It
their tenants, they would be troubled with very few complaints weuld have to stand upon its own merits. Another
• horn the Irish people. Committee would exercise their own discretion upon it,
The Earl ST. GERMANS said that at that late hour it or they might call further evi ence, and would obtain
t.l:mite impossible for him to follow the Noble Earl. for the al, tot' information they might require. lie could nut,
;, Noble Earl had opened a wide field for discussion, and had therefore, see how evidence taken upon a former OCCa-
,,,Ph4en of agrarian outrages, the administration of justice, the
se,-"utela, the landlord and tenant commission, and the important siert t'soul.l be made to apply to rho measure under con-
sideration.
-" eesure of fixity of tenure, every one of which subjects would '
Pillire the reater art of an evening to consider. The Noble -bard MORPETH considered that the customary
Zwrt who followed the Noble Earl had animadverted with course of proceeding in this House would be against
esihie severity upon the conduct of the Government in the other entertaining the motion at present. With reference to
`Lubse of Parliament for not resisting Mr. Sharman the- Bill to which this petition applied, the promoters
i?rewford's Bill upon the subject of fixity of tenure. Now, were fully confident of its merits ; they did not
e had looked over that Bill, and he could wish for any concealment whatever.—(Hear) The
lure their Lordships that he found no mention whatever Bill to be brought in was a fresh proceeding alto-
tiler, and they would have the usual means of opposing
'4 the subject of fixity of tenure. The Noble Earl had told
4,111° House, that these agrarian outrages were connected en- it, ; and he therelbre trusted that the House would corn-
Wig with political grievances. Now, if that were so, the ply with the recommendation of the Hon. Member for
lames'
would
cause would produce the same effect elsewhere, and they Oxford. anti not, entertain the Petition.
ould have the same amount of agrarian outrages in the nor-
Mr. MLIN'FZ ,aiti that he was not aware that he was
..w
Ile
and midland counties, as they had in the western.
seeking for anything irregular in moving for the evi-
"e said, therefore. that the supposition of the Noble Earl
Bence, He was not an interested party in the Bill, and
1158 wholy unfounded. Government were o oinion hat th
**elationl of landlord arid tenant in Ireland wasfp
not int a satis e-
he weuld he the lest person to press for anything ir-
factor state. Accordinelv, in the ceurse of the last session', regular ; he would, therefore, hog leave to withdraw his
they introduced a Bill for improving these relations. There motion.
was. however, not sufficient time to get it through the House, LONDON AND BRIGHTON RAILWAY.
414
•d it was, therefore, withdrawn. But there was another Bill Mr. O'CONNELL brought up a report from Group 15
att,L, the course of preparation, and he trusted it would shortly be on the London and Brighton Railway, which was ordered
"144 before their Lord-hips It would respect the rights of pro
to lie on the table.
tY, and at the same time improve the condition of the tenant.
Mr HUNIE said he had two petitions to prevent,
ith respect to the measure of Catholic Emancipation, he
the Noble measure
and the other parties 'who partly ref a private nature, and yet they might be called
'brought forward that measure. At the time of the union with i•uhlie, w hen the iinpaitance of the subjects to which
Ireland,ne the Protestant religion was the religion of the coutstry, they referred was considered. They related to the nee
I,Z" by the Act of Union they were bound ro preserve it in- ,iiiccition of the country. The one was from the Parlia-
44:date. And as regarded the opinions of Mr. Grattan and lir• 1 inentary trustees on the river Clyde. It stated that a
nukett, they always maintained a reservation in their railway company, which had brought in its Bill last
speeches. The evidencegiven by the Catholic prelates and .
Session, and which was for eleven days before a Com-
. tkot,he_r advoctitett of th_e Catholic emancipation, was also
e oisimilar nature. They did not. wish to affect the tern- mittee, and which was at length rejected, had
rraitties of the Protestant Church. They entertained no such I this year come forward with the same propo-
(*sir. Their welates did not wish to sit in their Lordshi 's anion, The trustees had opposed them, at an expense
tiltu_"'
,They wished to keep their Church apart from the State,i of 5.0001., and they begged to be protected against this
fk.'” wished to be a religious body only, and such he I eontinual anneyance. The other petition was from the
„it would be the general opiaion of the people of this country. . inhabitants of the town of Warrington. against a rail-
Zeteonsttiered teere had been great exaggeration yin h rete- way compahy which had made three several attempts to
. to the revenues of the Irish Church ; the whole amount '
of the revenue be_,. did not exceed 3001. per annum for each locum- eniss the Mersey. 3,000,000 tons of goods passed up
and down this river annually, and the powers they
habeen
TheNob,eLord then referred
forto thembeeaoseufirte so
fw ht c h sought would be a ereat injury to the navigation. Ile
And... 2 adopted by_ the_ Government.the . • . Ire-
ter the grants for edusation—to the great increase is the begged to say that he would ut some future time call the