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inhabitants of Quebec, representing; the frequent changes
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DEATH OF• LADY RUCHE.—
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knew her inestimable value, tiXe death, at Caress, last
night, after a painful and protracted illness, borne with
submissive resignation, of Lady Roche, the beloved
wife of Sir David Roche, Bart., M.P. for this city.
Lady Roche was daughter of J. Ormsby Vandeleur,
Esq., of Maddenstone House, county Kildare, and was
married on the 14th of February, 1825. She has left
four interesting children to mourn her early demise, by
which many families of distinction in this city and
county, and the counties of Clare and Kildare, are thrown
into mourning.—Limerick Reporter.
LIVERPOO.L, SEPT. 29.—A requisition to the
Mayor, to hold a Towns' meeting to memorialize her
Majesty, has been this day presented with 3,500 names
appended to it in two days. A meeting for the purpose
has been called for Saturday evening next, at seven
o'clock.
HEREFORD ELECTION. The Tories here
could only get up 200 names to a requisition to a resident
gentleman of their politics, Mr. Edward Griffiths, of
New-court, to come forward for the vacancy created here.
Mr Griffiths, like a prudent man, knowing that this
number did not much exceed one-fourth of the whole
constituency, and did not reach within three hundred
and forty of that which voted at the last election for the
present Liberal Member, at once declined what he
knew must prove a hopeless contest: Mr. Robert Puls-
ford, of Hyde Park-terrace, is canvassing with every
prospect of success on the Liberal side. In his canvass
he is accompanied by those popular gentlemen—Sir
Robert Price, Mr. Kidgwin Hoskins, Mr. Bolton Clive,
and Mr. Biddulph. We have every reason to think that,
if Mr. Freshfleld (Tory), who is mentioned as coming
forward, having already failed in so many attempts I'4
get a seat in Parliament, he will be left in a minority of
at least two hundred.
HEARNE V. STOWELL.—This case of libel,
which has attracted so much attention in the •Roman
Catholic world, has been postponed, for further considera-
tion, till next November.

IMPERIAt PARLIAMENT.
EVENING.)
HOUSE OF LORDS.

The Earl of SHAFTESBURY took his seat on the Wool-
sack shortly before Five o'Cloek.
The Frogmore Estates Bill and the Royal Gardens
Bill passed through Committee, and were ordered to be
read a third time to-morrow.
Messengers from the Commons brought up the Ex-
piring Laws Bill, Clayton's Name Bill, the Duke of
Marlborough's Estate Bill, Llddle's Estate Bill, and other

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Bills.
Justice Bill was read a second
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Lord BROUdirACMpr..e;en.ted a
petition from Mid-
dlewich, Cheshire, and from the Congregation of the
Tabernable Chapel, Trowbridge, praying for the
_re-
peal of the Corn-laws. The Noble Lord said he
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would take that opportunity
of reminding those
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who thought the sliding scale was a great protectiohe
the agricultural interest ; thata t the present
that interest especially required protection, the result
of that scale was a duty of one shilling per quarter, and
time,
wn
the consequent introduction of somewhere
about five
weeks' averege consumption of the people of England
and Scotland. There had been introduced from
1,500,000 to 2,000,000 quarters at a duty of one
shilling—if there had been a fixed duty of tiis. it was
very possible that part of this importation might have
been made, but it certainly would not have been made
in a manner so beneficial to the consumer and so little
tending to protect the grower, as the one shilling duty
by the sliding scale. Their Lordships were aware that
his opinion was against the fixed duty as well as the
sliding scale ; but still the fact should not escape their
attention.
Lord KINNAIRD presented a petition from Perth,
praying for the repeal of the Corn-laws. The Noble
Lord said that he feared great distress would result from
persisting in the present svatem.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said that if the Noble
Lord had been in his place a little earlier he would
have heard it stated that a very large supply
of corn had been introduced at ls. duty. There could
therefore (we understood the Noble Duke to say) be no
ground for the Noble T.ord's apprehensions.
TIMBER DUTIES.
Earl STRANCi FORD presented a petition from 9,000

BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS.
On the question for the adjournment of the House
being put.
Lord BROUGHAM said he would take that oppor-
tunity of stating the course he meant to pursue on the
important subject to which he had called the attention
of their Lordships on the first night of the Session. He
meant the subjectof bribery and intimidation and other
malpractices which prevailed. to (he was afraid)an unpre-
cedented extent at the late general election. lie then stated
to the House that they could not more efficiently and faith-
fully discharge their duty, than by taking this subject
into consideration, and appointing a committee to en-
quire into the evil, and to provide measures that migh t
have a tendency to put a stop to them. The degree to
which these practices existed, the extent •to which
they prevailed, and the miserable effects which they
produced, not only on the result of the elections, but on
the characters of those concerned, was matter of such
notoriety, that any further description of it would be
superfluous. He (Lord Brougham) had made it his duty
to inquire into the particulars of a vast number of in-
stances : and at one time he had intended to select,
for the consideration of their Loreships, three
which appeared to him to possess features in some degree
common to them all, and when he stated to their Lord.
ships that the parties who were affected by the evidence
adduced to him were the three great parties which at
present divided man both in and out of Parliament, that
in one case the person charged was a person
connected with the Government, sitting opposite them
in opposition ; that, in another case, the charges were
directed mainly against the present Opposition, then
the Government—(Laughter from Lord Melbourne, and
the Peers on the Opposition benches.) lie did not
know whether his Noble Friend laughed at the word
" present," or at the word " Opposition." He
supposed there was no such thing as opposition.
Lord 'MELBOURNE—AIIow me to explain. I have
heard Gentlemen in the House of Commons called to
order for using the word " opposition." Nothing can
be more unparliamentary than for any Gentleman to
state that he is pledged to opposition.
Lord BROUGHAM made an observation, which- was
inaudible in the Gallery, which excited some laughter,
and proceeded. ..In this case he examined the facts of the
party with whom he usually agreed with those over
against whom he had the honour of sitting.—(Laughter.)
In another of these cases the charges were mainly
against those in front of whom he ha the honour of
standing—(Laughter)—those who agreed with his
Noble Friend and himself sitting on that
side of the House, and in the third
case, the charges mainly affected a third
party belonging neither to the regular Tory
party nor to the regular Whig party, but to
a party which generally passed under another
name, belonging to neither one nor the other.
He mentioned these circumstances for the purpose of re-
minding their Lordships that it was in vain to say that
these practices were udopted by one party or another.
The fact was that they were adopted by the partizans
of all the three great parties, and if he (Lord
Brougham) were to state the result of the inquiries
he had been able to prosecute, he should say, whichever
party in any given place had the greatest possession of
the means that party had been most lavish in adopting
every course that was calculated to corrupt their
fellow-subjects. Those were greatly mistaken who
held that these lamentable circumstances to which
he had adverted, had been the result of the Reform Bill of
18:12. He knew that his Noble and Learned Friend on
the Woolsack would take credit to himself for having in
the debates on the Bill, predicted that the increase o.
bribery would be the result of that mea-
sure. He (Lord Brougham) maintained the contrary opi-
nion. His Noble Friend, however, had a right
to state that his predictions had been to a certain extent
fulfilled. He (Lord Brougham) held that the tendency
of the Reform Bill of 1832 was directly the reverse,
and the ground upon which he held that opinion was
this—provided the Legislature would do its duty in
checking such practices by punishing those crimes
the ground on which he thought the Reform Bill did
not encourage bribery was simply this—twat was the
main cause of this bribery ? It was that the candidate
expended his money ignorantly, as he might
do justly under the old system of bribery,
being the result of that expenditure, because
the exp'enses at elections under the old system
was such, that thousands might be expended legally.
But in the present state of the law, the experncs of
a contest were lessened almost to nothing. Such
being the case, every candidate who was called upon
to spend thousands, and did it with his eyes open,
and must of necessity know that the money was spent
in bribery. Parliament would not do its duty unless,
when the facts came to be known, and when the corrup-
tion and intimidation that had been practised had been
explained, it took means to put an end to such practices.
It was not the Bill of 1832 which had caused
:he injury, but because Parliament had not taken other
steps. He had consulted those. who had been ac-
quainted with the subject, and they had stated that
there could be no objection to that House inquir-
ing into the subject. Why, then, it might be asked,
did he not press for the appointment of a Com-
mittee ? The reason for his not doing so was this.
first that the duration of the session would be so short
that it would be utterly impossible to complete the in-
quiry. In the other House of Parliament there were
about eighty election petitions pending, the greater part
of which would come to trial in the course of the next
session. That being the case it might be said that
great inconvenience might arise from making inquiries
in that House upon subjects that would come
before the other House of Parliament.—(Hear.)
These two reasons, after much consideration, appeared to
him to just;fy him, most reluctantly, in abstaining from
pressing on their Lordships:that notice of which he had
given notice on the first night "of the Session.
He hoped, however, that be would have their L'ordships
concurrence in entering upon that enquiry in the
ensuing Session. He felt sure that it might be
conducted with an absolute certainty of obtaining
information— he was confident that the facts
which would be elucidated, must lead to some
legislative enactment, and the inquiry would teach
thm what the provisions of that enactment ought
to be. He should deem it his duty to call
their Lordships attention to the investigation of the
facts as soon as the inquiries in another place had been
brougnt to an end.
The House then Adjoured.

HO U SE 01 COMMONS.

The SPEAKER took his seat at a few minutes to FOttr.
The Right Hon. T. L. Corry took the oaths and his
seat for Tyrone.
The Duke of Marlborough's Estate Bill was read a
third time and passed.
The Riddles Estate Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The Claytens Name Bill was read a third time avd
passed.

PETITIONS.
Cot VERNON presented a petition from the grocers
and spirit-dealers of Armagh, praying for an alteration
of spirit licenses.
Mr. TFIORNELY presented a petition from Belper,
in Derbyshire, praying the House to take the depressed
condition of the country into its consideration, and to
make an inquiry into the decayed state of various branches
of commerce.
Sir G. De LARPENT presented a petition from
Bombay, complaining of the conduct of Sir Henry
Roper, Chief Justice of that place, and of the partiality.
in the administration of justice.
Mr. E WART presented a petition from a number of
Ministers representing large bodies of the Dissenters of
Lancashire and Cheshire against the Corn-laws. Also
a petition from a Baptist congregation in the same place,
complaining of being obliged to take oaths. And an-
other from the same parties, complaing of the gross im-
morality of certain females in several towns in those
counties, and praying that penalties may be enacted to
prevent such immorality in future.
Sir C. NAPIER presented a petition from St. Pancras,
praying that the bridges of Vauxhall and Waterloo may
be opened to the public.
Air. COBDEN presented a petitions from the Protes-
tant Dissenters of a town in Cheshire against' the Corn-
laws, also petitions from Staley-bridge and Stockport to
, the same effect.

SAVINGS' BANKS.
Mr. WILLIAMS gave notice that he should, early
next Session, move_ for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal I
certain clauses in an Act passed in the 9th year
of the reign of George IV., entitled "An Act to ,
Consolidate and Amend the Laws relating to Savings'
Banks," so far as the same authorises the Com-
missioners of the National Debt to apply any money
standing into the name of the Savings' Banks depositors
to Exchequer Bills, and to convert those Exchequer
Bills into three per
scent. consolidated Bank annuities ;
and which law gave an unlimited power for the sale and
purchase of such annuities, whereby a loss had been
already, and might be hereafter sustained, by the savings'
banks depositors, and an addition made to the debt of the
nation without the authority or control of Parliament.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sug-
gested that the Hon. Member had no right to put an ar-
gument, as he had done, into his notice. Besides, it was
not true that the Savings' Bank Directors had sustained a
loss by the system complained of ; and, therefore, he put
it to the Hon. Member, whether he would allow a false
impression to go abroad, in consequence of his giving
such a notice ?

The SPEAKER said it was certainly not in accord-
ance with the rules of the House for an Hon. Member to
append an argument to a notice of motion.
Mr. WILLIAMS -If the Savings Banks' depositors
cannot suffer —(Loud cries of" Order, order.")
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCilatUEß.—All
that is matter of argument as the lion. Gentleman must
see.
Mr. WILLIAMS.—It is m
WRlatter of fact.—(Order.)
NEW T.

On the motion of Sir J. GIL.k.H.AM, a new writ was
oriered for a burgess to serve in Parliament for the
Bo..ough of Wilton. in the room of Viscount Eitzharris
now Earl of Malmesbury.
CASE OF THE LATE MR. J. BROUGHAM.
Sir J. GRAHAM then rose and spoke as follows : I
Sir, I hope, although I may not be strictly in order, that
the House will extend its indulgence to me while I offer
some explanation relating to certain expressions which
are reported to have fallen from me in the course of
debate the other evening, and which, I have been
informed, have greatly pained the feelings
of a Noble Lord, both as touching himself
and as reflecting on the memory of his departed d
a bro-
ther, which, therefore, he feels most sensibly, ans
the friend of that Gentleman, I also join in those
feelings.—(Hear.)
Nothing can in general be more
accurate than the reports of what pass in this House,
and I am therefore disposed to beliave that what fell from