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London, England, 1846-05-01 00:00:00

TION (EXTENSION No. II.)

Lord Horsley, Chairman of the Great Grimsby and Sheffield Rail-
way to was examined at length by Mr. Hope, in favour of the proposed
line. His Lordship's attention was especially directed to the Barton
and Nov Holland Ferries over the Humber, and the preference
the latter which had been given by the Post-office over the other,
and to the superior accommodation offered by the proposed railway
for communication between the agricultural and manufacturing dis-
tricts over that by the Hull and Lincoln line.
Other witnesses were called to give evidence on the same points.

GROUP XXXVII.
The Committee met to-day at twelve o'clock, in Roam No. 2l'
(Grand corridore). present, Lord Seymour (chairman), Viscount
Rbrington, Mr. F. French, Lord Edwin 11114, and Sir Ralph Lopez.
There having been a mistake In the votes, in which the time •of
meeting was set down as " one" o'clock, whereas the Committee
actually met at " twelve," there was considerable delay, before the
parties were in attendance and ready to proceed. The Committee
at length resumed the convideration of the

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half-way
mon the dibs Act through which the line is proposed to
t to prove the value of the ac-
commodationestn
lines at Riding, and that it was superior in its claims to the proposed
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which the railway would give to that part of the
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substantially the same as that given by Mr. George Chambers
yesterday.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant Witareemot—The witness was
not able to state exactly what would be the advantages of the branch
contemplated by the Manchester and Sheffield Railway. He was
convinced that they would not be so great to the district in question,
certainly not to that part in which his works were situated. With
respect to Sheffield, there were coal works in the town, or rather on
the south and east side of it. The coal was of the Silkstone forma-
tion, and there was enough in the immediate neighbourhood
of the town to supply it for some hundred years to come.
But then, that part of the great coal bed was more diffi-
cult of working than out of the pits near by Barnsley.
Witness supplied the gas-works at a lower rate than they were
supplied from the Sheffield works. If he could send his coal by
railway to Sheffield, taking into account the expense of working the_,
coal mines of the Duke of Norfolk at Sheffield, he would be able to
meet the produce of the latter on equal terms.
In cross-examination by Mr. FicgEnneo, on the part of Earl Fitz-
william, and other opponents of the Bill, the witness stated that
this railway would come close to his own works, but would not go
nearer than three miles to the Milton works ; hut there existed tram
ways which connected his works and the Milton works with the
line of the proposed railway. The remainder of the cross-examination
elicited nothing material.
Mr. Henry Unwin, of Sheffield, iron-master, was examined by Mr.
LAING, on the part of the promoters of the Bill, and gave detailed
evidence to show that the proposed line would benefit the manufac-
turers of Sheffield by opening to them an access by railway to the
coal of the Silkstone and Barnsley beds. The parties who supplied
the coal at present to that town, whether from the neighbourhood and
the site of the town Itself, or from Derbyshire, would be obliged to
lower their prices if the Silkstone and Barnsley coal could be brought
into competition.

The witness was cross-examined at great length as to the items of
the tables of calculation (computed by himself) as to the consump-
tion of coal of various kinds in the different departments of manufac-
ture in Sheffield. Ultimately it was agreed that he should take time
to prepare a part of the details in another form, for the satisfaction
of the opposing counsel.
The next witness, Mr. Edwin Unwin, is a director of the gas com-
pany at Sheffield, gave evidence of a similar character in favour of
the Bill. TLe coal purchased at the pit's mouth, within 300 yards of
the Sheffield Gas Works, was charged 6s. 10d. per ton ; whereas the
price of the Mortumney coals, the works being about eight miles
from Sheffield, coat about 4s. ,cl. at the pit's mouth. This could be
delivered in Sheffield, if this railway were completed, at 6s. per ton.
The Sheffield Coal Company would be obliged to reduce their prices,
and the gas rates would also be reduced.
The witness was cross-examined at great length. lie was de-
cidedly of opinion that there was a scarcity of coal in Sheffield, and
that the wants of the town would be supplied by means of this
railway.

Mr. Swan, manager of the Chapeltown Iron Works, near Sheffield,
was examined to nearly the same effect, in favour of the Bill. By
means of the railway, the carriage of mineral from the works to
Sheffield, and the delivery there, would be reduced from ss. to ls. Gd.
per ton. Ills company would " unlock" more of the mineral, and
they would be able to dispose of a large quantity of engine coal
which at present was waste. The railway would give other means
of saving, so as to increase the supply, and lower the price of their
iron.

Mr. J. Fletcher, of Goole, shipowner and builder, also gave evi-
dence in favour of the line, as serving to connect that port with the
Silkstene and Barnsley coal field.

Evidence in support of the traffic tables was then adduced, and
The Committee adjourned at four o'clock.

GROUP XL.
The Committee met at two o'clock. in Room 26, Mr. Stafford
O'Brien in the chair.
The following Bills have been referred to their consideration :
Lancashire and Yorshire (North-Eastern), York and Lancaster,
Leeds and York, Leeds, York, and Midland Junction, York and North
Midland (Leeds Extension), North•Westem, and Morecombe Har-
bour and Railway.
The first Bill taken was the
YORE AND NORTII MIDLAND (LEEDS
• EXTENSION).
The Hon. Mr. TALBOT, Q.C., opened the case for the promoters.
The object of the Bill was to do away with a very inconvenient and
circuitous route on the York and Leeds line. This Bill would give a
direct communieation between Tadcaster and York. Passing from
Tadcaster they came down to the Leeds and Selby Railway, of which
railway they would avail themselves. They would finally cross the
North Midland station, which was an exceedingly commodious one ;
that of the Leeds and Selby being a very indifferent station. By
means of a branch at Skipton, they would have a communication
with the Leeds and Bradford Railway, which he had no hesitation
in saying would Involve as commercial results as any line
in the kingdom. Thence they would have a communication with
Hull, and all the lines lying on the west of that port. The
total length of the extension would be 17 miles, which would involve
an expense of 360,0001. There was a rival line, for which his
Learned Friend 'Mr. Baines appeared; and the Committee would
find, on looking at the map, that instead of making 17 miles only of
railway they would be compelled by their plan to make 26 miles and
3 furlongs. This company did not propose to intersect any property
the owner of which was opposed to that intersection. Whether his
Learned Friend's clients were so fortunate he knew not. He con-
cluded by tendering evidence.
Mr. Alexander Sherrif, of Marsh-lane, Leeds, said he was assistant
to the superintendent of the goods station at Leeds. The station
was very limited, as this was only the second railway constructed
in the kingdom All the goods going from Hull to Leeds arrived at
this station. Unless this 8111 were suffered to pass, the traffic be-
tween Bradford and Hull, which was exceedingly extensive, would
have to be carried round by Castleford. That traffic was about
3,6001. per week. Considerable competition would exist between
this company and the canal in that district, even in the event of
this Bill passing.
Cross-examined by Mr. lianas (who appeared on behalf of the
Leeds, York, and Midland Junction.) He had heard complaints for
several years of the insufficiency of the station, but within the last
two or three years those complaints had very much increased. The
plans for these extensions were published at the close of the last year
(which was after the publication of the Leeds and York Company's
plans).
Mr. John Waddington, resident until recently at Leeds, stated
that he had for several years carried on the business of a
merchant there. Is a Director of the Leeds and Bradford
Railway Company, and was acquainted with the merits
of the three competing schemes before the Committee—
viz., Leeds and York, Leeds, York, and Midland Junction, York and
North Midland (Leeds Extension); and he was decidedly of opinion
that that of this Company was of the utmost public importance. Was
of opinion that a connexion between the Leeds and Bradford and the
Hull and Selby Railways was a matter of great importance. The
cost of the Leeds and York scheme would be about double that of the
construction of the other scheme, and he did not believe that, if
carried out, it would be a remunerative line. The gross receipts per
annum could not be more than 3,0001.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant Winans (who appeared for the
Leeds, York and Midland Junction)—Was a proprietor In this Com-
pany, and concurred in a petition of the Leeds and Bradford Railway
Company, against the Leeds and York. In that petition there were the
words, " That the Leeds and York scheme was totally unnecessary
and uncalled for, inasmuch as there was now, and had been for
several years an efficient communication between Leeds and
York, which the York and North-Midland Railway
Company were most ready to extend. It was pro-
posed to connect the Leeds and Selby line and the Leeds
and Bradford station, by a line coming in at the North Midland a
little below this Company's branch there. There must be detentions
tinder Lord Seymour's Act at the two proposed junctions of the line,
the speed being then required by law to he reduced to six miles per
hour. There would be only one detention on the Leeds, York, and
Midland Junction, but he was of opinion that it would he as inconve-
nient as the two detentions on this Company's line. He had never
seen any quotation of the shares in the Leeds, York, and North Mid-
land.

Lord HAREwooD was next called, and said that this railway would
pass through one of his farms. Was no great friend of railways that
passed through his property. There had been a meeting in his
neighbourhood to take into consideration the merits of the three rival
schemes, and they came to the conclusion that this line would give
the greatest accommodation, if any such accommodation was neces-
sary. The Leeds and York line left out some of the most important
towns and villages lying between Leeds and York. There was, at
one season of the year, considerable passenger traffic between Scar-
borough and Harrogate.
Cross-examined by Mr. HARDY (who appeared for the Leeds
York direct)—No representative of the interests of the two rival,. of this Company was present at the meeting alluded to, althougk
Mr. Iludson, the Chairman of this Company was there. Therewas
one gentleman (Mr. Hatfield) who opposed the Leeds and York
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opinion that this Company's scheme was more direct than the
Leeds, York, and Midland Junction, although, if he were convinced
that it was actually a mile longer than that of the line for which he
(Mr. Sergeant Wilkins) appeared, his opinion would of course be im-
mediately changed.
Sir Edward Vavasour said he was owner of Hazlewood, on which
he had a mansion in which he resided. The estate was a very
extensive one, and it had been in the Vavasour
faintly since the Conquest. This Company's scheme would pass
over his estate for two or three miles in a very objectionable way,
and he had presented a petition against the scheme some time ago,
but at that time there was no rival in the field. He was, however,
of opinion, that this scheme was a good one, and ought to be
encouraged.
Cross-examined by Mr. HARDY—Had not very fully considered the
merits of the Leeds and York scheme.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant WiLioNs—The line of the Leeds,
York, and Midland Junction would pass a mile and a halt
distant from his mansion, whilst that of Mr. Hudson would pass
at a distance of a mile and a quarter, and would very much injure
his estate. It would also pass over Lord Hanck's estate in a deep
cutting. His own estate would also be very much cut in one place,
and embanked in another for the purposes of this Company's scheme.
He did not know whether those cuttings and embankments would be
greater or less than those proposed by the Leeds, York, and Midland
Junction. Mr. Hudson had announced that there were shares
-reserved for, the towners of property through which his scheme
would pass. The premium on those shares was now cent.
per cent., but_ they were at one time much higher. Mr.
Richardson (Mr. Hudson's solicitor), and Mr. Birkenshaw, his
engineer, were present at the meeting held at Mr. Fox's, for the con-
sideration of the different lines by the landowners In the district
through which they proposed to pass.
Mr. George Heart, of Leeds, was next examined, and said he was a
merchant residing in that town for the last four years, and was
acquainted with the Marsh Lane station, which was in a most
convenient position, and not at all adequate to the traffic that en-
tered the town by the Company's line. It was of importance that
all the goods arriving at Leeds should meet at a common central sta-
tion. That object could only Le advanced by some scheme which
would connect Leeds and Bradford and the North Midland Railways.
He was of opinion that that junction ought to be effected by the ex-
isting company, as other new companies would be compelled to
charge tolls which would be too high, and the question of tolls would
not be the only inconvenience. There should be unity of manage-
ment.
Cross-examined by Mr. BAINES, on behalf of the Leeds and York
—He was of opinion that the neighbourhood of Wellington would be
the most desirable point for a passenger steam in Leeds.
Mr. Thomas Johnson Fox was the next witness—Was land-agent
for the last seventeen years to the property of the Miss Gaskin, who
were landowners in the district through which this line would pass.
This Company's line would give a direct communication to the
people of Leeds with the coal mines of his employers ; nd which
were worked to a very great extent. Todcaster was by far the most
important town in that district, and yet the Leeds and York scheme
would not go near it. If the Leeds and Selby line were extended,
he believed that a much greater quantity of coals would be forwarded
along it to the town of Leeds.
The ease was, at this stage of the proceedings, adjourned until to-
marrow, the Speaker haviaz
been announced to be at prayers.

:-e`,-committee No. 1.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
The Committee then proceeded with the
BErtits AND HANTS (1117NGERFOISLD EX-
TENSION AND RADSTOCZ. COLLzZ
LINE).
This line came on, ay agreed last week, but was found to be very
deficient in the formal proofs, a number of the witnesses uot being
in attendance. In one instance it was shown that a warrant had
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The lists produced by him on that occasion were handed in and
proved, and the Committee determined to report that evidence had
been given of the service of a warrant on the witness, and of the list
having been proved in the other Committee.
The nature of the proposed extension is apparent Nom the name.
The length of the line will be thirty-eight miles, and the estimated
cost will be 850,0007. Mr. I. K. Brunel is the engineer, and Messrs.
Burke and Co. are the Parliamentary agents.
Mr. COATES and Mr. Weema appeared in support of the petitions
of various owners and occupiers on the line.
That part of the formal proofs with which the promoters were pre-
pared being completed, the evidence on the part of the petitioners was
proceeded with.
The first allegation, and several others, mostly referring to the
omission of names from the book of reference, and non-service of
notices, were declared proved. Others were not sustained, and some
withdrawn.
These allegations occupied till four o'clock, when the Committee
adjourned.

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The remaining portion of the names of the promoters having been
proved, the Committee Intimated that the Bill had passed their Lord-

lips.
Their Lordships rose at fire o'clock.

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