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London, England, 1846-06-13 00:00:00

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(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Lord Ingestrie, M.P. for the South Division or Llncashire,
Lord Sandon, M.P. for the borough of Liverpool, gave general evi-
dence In favour of the line, expressing their opinion that it would
greatly benefit the district through which It would pass, and would
be the best and most direct line that could be made through the dis-
tricts which it would traverse.
Mr. Alderman Copeland gave similar evidence, and also some sta-
tistical details as to the existing traffic in the north of Staffordshire.
Mr. Bidder, who. conjointly with Messrs. R. Stephenson, Gooch,
Hawiteshav,-, and Forsyth, is engineer to this line, gave the usual
engineering evidence, the main facts of which were contained in Mr.
Talbot's opening address. The works were generally light; the gra-
dients were good throughout, and the curves but slight. The line-
was laid down by himself arid Mr. Robert Stephenson. The witness
was cress-examined at great length by Counsel for the petitioners,
and re-examined by Mr. Sergeant Murphy,
On the con fiusion of the re examination,
Mr. Sergeant ALLEN requested the Chairman to ask the witness
whether, by a Deviation which lie exhibited on a sketch, the injury
to Sir Henry Everett's property might not be avoided?
The CTIAIRMAN having put this question, Mr. Bidder admitted that
it might be so avoided.

The Committee then ordered the room to he cleared, and in the
course of about five minutes the counsel and agents were re-ad-
mitted. In about a quarter of an hour the room was thrdwri open,
and we were admitted. The proceedings in the interim did not
transpire, hut we understood that the Committee had caused the room
to be cleared, in order to consider certain suggestions which they had
proposed to offer for the consideration of counsel, and also to discuss
the proposition of Mr. Sergeant Allen as to the deviation line. No
decision, however, was made, and
The Committee rose at about half-past four o'clock, and adjourned
till eleven o'clock to-morrow.

DtRECT LONDON 13.1W11 POTLTSMOITTEL
(Costinued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)

Numerous witnesses v.-ere called, and gave evidence as to the
want of railway communication in the district which this line pro-
posed to accommodate, and as to tlte advantages that would result
from its formation. They were cross-examined by Counsel on the
part of the several petitioners.
Shortly after four o'clock. the Committee adjourned till Monday at
eleven.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
GROUP 11.
CORNWALL RAIL W.:17.
The Committee nict at the usual hour, Viscount Morpeth in the
chair.

Lord Vivian and Mr. Divett, 3LP., gave evidence in favour of
the central line.
Mr. Randall, engineer, state I the difficulties attending the con-
struction of a bridge over the Tamar, and the inadequacy of the esti-
mate of 31r Brunel for constructing the same.
Capt. Berkeley, 3LP., one of the Lords of the Admiralty, considered
that the navigation would be seriously injured by the bridge over the
river at the height proposed by Mr. Brunel.
Mr. Pare believed the traffic on the central line would be consi-
derable.
Mr. Goldsworthy Gurney thought the curves and gradients on the
Cornwall line very severe.
Mr. Locke was examined at considerable length by Mr. Coes-
BURN, on behalf of the Corporation of Saltash.
Mr. Brunel was also, by the consent of the Committee, allowed to
be examined on several points of the South Devon line alluded to by
Mr. Locke in his examination.
The Committee adjourned at five o'clock till eleven on Monday
Morning.

GROUP XIII.
AYRSHIRE AND GALLOV/AT.

(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Mr. Laurie, an extensive farmer in the neighbourho -41 of Dum-
fries, was examined as to the damage that would be done by the
line to the pi operty of Colonel Maxwell of Orchisten. The line
passed for three miles through the property. The distance of the
line from the mansion at one point was about 780 yards.. There were
two approaches with lodges, and the line approached within 50 and
40 yards respectively. The turnpike road was between the house
and the railway, and it was twice crossed on a level, so that which-
ever approach Colonel Maxwell took he had to go over a level
crossing.

Cros3lexaminel—lle believed they could get rid of the level cross-
ings If Colonel Maxwell would consent to allow the proposed line of

M.Kle, convener of the county of Kirkcudbright, eoiroborated
ttia evidence of the previous witness. There was very little traffic
north and south p.:ralle.l wttn e route of ihe present railway-. The
course of traffic was from east to west, the route the P.ritish and
Irish l'aion was to have taken. l'::cordiat; to the letting of the tolls
last yetr, the tolls on the south and north route let fog but 350/.
Mr. Gls, keeper of the toll-:rate at Kenmore-bridge, near New
nall:,:vu, about half way on the route of the I:no, deplsed :hat he
had 931. a year rent for tae, toll, and he had been obliged to give it
up he:t.attie he could not rook e ;:nytliiint for his trouble.
The witness real a nunThir if particulars which he had taken
down, to show the meagre character or the traffic.
Mr. Geddes, mi:tiug engineer, was examined, with the object of
showing that the Dalmeilington and Patna mineral fiAls were not
so extensive and prolific as they bad been represented by the p •o-
meters of the Bill, tliGu.gh he admitted they miOt turn cut very
good fields.

- Mr. Christie followed to the same effect.
Captain Robinson, it.N., was next examined, to show that Balcary
Bay was not well adapted for a harbour; that there was scarcely
any water in A at low tide, and that ships could not be sheltered in
the port where water was deepest, unless the wind was blowing from
off the land.
The Committee adjourned till Monday, at twelve o'clock.

GROUP XIV.
The Select Committee appointed to consider the merits of the Bills
Comprised in this group re-a.sembled at the usual hour this morning,
Mr. Protheroe in the chair.

SOUTH-EASTERN (MID RENT LINE).
The Committee were occupied the whole of the day in discussing
and settling the claims as to this Bill.
The whole of the clauses, with amendments, were got through,
and the Chairman was instructed to report the Bill.
The Committee then adjourned.

GROUP
MANCHMSTE/L ANDXVII.
SOUTHAMPTON.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Mr. J. Fincham, master shipwright at the dockyard, Portsmouth,
for several years, said he obtained great quantities of materials from
the north, Manchester, and its immediate neighbourhood, and that a
direct communication between Manchester and Southampton would
be of the utmost importance. The opening up of a communication
with the timber districts about Marlborough and other places on the
line would also be of considerable advantage.
By Mr. KEATING—Loss of time was a serious inconvenience. The
loss of half-an-hour might cause a ship to lose her wind, and, conse-
quently, prevent her leaving the port for twelve hours They kept a
large stock at the arsenal, but sometimes they happened to be out of
articles required without any but necessary delay. A break of gauge
would be agreat inconveulen.T.
Major White, town major of the garrison of PortSmonth, said
many thousands of troops went to the north every year, for the pur-
pose of embarking at Liverpool for Ire:and, and for duty in the north.
Had heard it intimated that the depot for troops at Weedon was
about to be removed to Birmingham, but lie was not sure whether the
report had any foundation or not. The Manchester and Southampton
would afford the means of ready access to the north. The saving of
18 miles was an important matter. It would render Southampton
very eligible for the embarkation of troops.
Mr. KEATING—The garrison at Portsmouth averaged from
2,000 to 5,000.
Mr. Cope, traffic taker, had the traffic along the course of the line
taken in October and the middle of November last, a period not very
favourable on account of there not bell g any fairs. Ills experience
showed that railways Increased traffic four and sometimes sixfold.
There was a great moving local traffic on the line, independently of
the traffic from point to point.
Ity the CHAIRMAX—Traffic increased to such an extent as almost
to dory calculation. The existing local traffic he valued at-48,7351.,
the estimated Increase at 146,43.57., making a grand total of 194,1911.,
which would yield in the shape of revenue, after deducting 401. per
cent. for working expenses, 116,514/. or 7/.15s per cent. on the million
and a half to be expanded in the construction of the line.
The witness was then cross-examined by Mr. HOPE, the continua-
tion of which was deferred until to-morrow at eleven o'clock, when
the Committee will meet and sit till three o'clock.

GROUP XVIII.
EXETER (GREIIT WESTERN).

The cross-examination of Mr. Brunel occupied a considerable time
of the Committee's sittings.
Lord De 3fauley gave general evidence in favour of the line.
Mr. Miller was also examined in corroboration of the evidence of
Mr. Brunel, the Committee having decided that two engineering
witnesses should be called upon each side.
The Committee adjourned till twelve on Monday next.

GEOUP XX.
1.0271130 AT .11.2=13liTX=DSOIL.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
After some discussion the room was cleared, that the C(,mmittee
might consider the admissibility of such secondary evidence. But the
original petition being found In the meantime, no decision on the point
was necessary.
It was, however, ultimately ruled that the date of the petition
took it out of the scope of Mr. Duncombe's resolutions, and that it
could net be entertained.
The preliminary evidence was then gone into on the subject of the
London and Windsor, and
Mr. Sergeant WILANGBAbt stated the ease for the promoters.
Mr. CHA3mEas, for the opposing petitioners, insisted that the
original deed should be produced.
Mr. 3fEititEwErliElt, ibr the Bill, explained that what was called by
his Learned Friend the original deed had no legal existence, inasmuch
as it had been cancelled by a sutssequent deed.
The Committee decided that the original deed should be produced.
Mr. MEIMEWETTIER undertook that it should be forthcoming on
Monday, and proceeded to cal' witnesses on the merits.
The Committee adjourned at four o'clock till twelve on Monday.

GEOUP XXIV.
TECETPOM.Z AND NEWILTAXICET.
The Committee met to-day at twelve o'clock, Mr. G. Vernon In
the chair, when
Mr. Bedells, a grocer and ale and porter dealer at Bury, was exa-
mined by Mr. U'aLtizer---ife stated that there was a considerable
trade carried on between Bury and alildenhall, that the terminue
at Bloomfield Paddock would be most advantageous to the town,
that the opinion was unanimous in favour of it, and from his
own of niter hecould was of the utmost i say
that the intercourse with Mildenhall
importance.
Mr. Jtexthes said Tat the quantity of oats brought yearly from
Mildenhall to I; w
that there was the utrn,'" Was not less than 10,000 quarters, and
oat necessity for keeping the old commualca-
tions open.
Mr. Croft, surveyor of ilery stated that he had surveyed the
ground for both the stations in
Gate, and he unquestionably
g r to that In Bloom-
ave tZd44(l°ck and the rurilt
field Paddock, which world rungotur
jan,:le Tivi-,n:lllnwhne that in the North
erence
Gate could only he reached on a
xpSIXTICTI Alsrn ntrair.
At the conclusion of this evidence Mr. T
ato,o'r addres the
Committee on behalf of the Ipswich and Story army
dwelling particularly on the advantages which are likely to
from the access given to Oxford and the south-
accrue to Bury - the north-west of England, mut the bene-
'west, to Birmingham
the extension oiehtihehe
fits also which were and
dely to ftriee from
thought were advantaged
foreign trade. These he
h He had
ought to be considered as far more important than any that could
be derived from the opening to -`4 Yaten and Peterboroug wrangharn
beenmuch impressed with the observations ofMr. Sergeant
with respect to the cheap distribution of fuel,
but yet he could not
attach much consideration to that point, for lie
little expected to see
the Leicester coal-field opened; and even if it were, that was no
peculiar reason in favour of the opposing line, for the line, as n
planned, would enjoy equal opportunities of reaching othercoaol7
acids. The difference of 20,0001., or 30,0001., was not worth nOticing,
as the money would he saved in the soundness of the foundation, and
the loss would therefore be ultimately prevented. Then with regard
to gradients, that also was no consideration ; for should the trains he
as long as was represented, the difficulty would readily be met by
an increase in the power of the engines, and if the gradient of 132
were to be considered as too severe, certainly,if it were to-be objected
20, there would be a contravention of all the decisions of
.Parliatnent
during the present session. And as far as the station was concerned
he should observe that the station selected by the company which he
represented was the very one which had been approved of last year
without any opposition, end which must hereafter be the
station for the through traffic; and if the station at Illoom-
lield's Close were to he made it would be just es com-
petent for the Ipswich and Bury to make It as any other com-
pany, and self-interest would naturally prompt its adoption. Tice
Learned Gentleman then went through the objecticns of the pe-
titioning lanlownere. Another point was tile difficulty of the June-
Von with the Thetford branch at Newmarket. The curve proposed
at that jnnctior was of ten chains rallue, and in the event of the
Board of Trade requiring a larger radius the company were prepared,
by the possession of property, to make it. So that in fact there was
.no remarkable ground for opposition to the preamble of this Bill.
Mr. Sergeant WILANGRAU addressed the Committee on the advan-
that the line
tages offered by the Ely and itery Company. In doing so, he stated
had only two placee of any Import:lnc on it—these were
Bohan and Mildenhall ; the former place nsierl agricultu-
ral importance, and through this place the lineactually ran, instead
of going at some distance from it. Then with regard to araden-
hall, it vvaa absolutely the fact' that the great portion
of the poptiletion which was resident In the two hamlets attached to
it were even north of the Ely and Bury lm e,
and therefore
placed in a wane position for the line than if they were all con-
centred round the focus of the town. Then it should be observed
that the population, exclusive of the termini which it was proposed
to accemmodate, was only one •th ird of the member of' those who would
get the benefit of railway transit by the other line. After speaking
of the injury which would be wrought to the mills and the other
establishments on the river Sark, the Learned Sergeant alluded to
the rumoured plan of amalgamation between the Thetford and Ely
and Bury Companies, and stated that unless the Ipswich and Bury
line were the best the country could afford, it ought not
to be allowed to pass. He then compared the gradients
on the two lines, and discussed the difficulty of the
junction at Newmarket.. After a long address the room was cleared,
and on the re-admission of the parties the Chairman declared that
none of the preambles had been proved, The Bills for the Ely and