The Sun.
London, England, 1846-03-20 00:00:00

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ti.., . e pewee. el :tem -,e,,,11.1 either le...ye omen aeel
lie:er;"'" Cleverneient teso teem tete Wu. Menre.r t.' )
thel 'ea`• No = we ,t, aas the iiejeet cif the t.",enmirte.
pnaleievett eir ? Was the Utenruittee to suggest the
lee, rl!t'n'ti,f some meaeurs
kw to prevent all future specu-
'l.lu tai way enterprise?—(Flear, hear.) . He could
t 1 °" so 400 miles to his ewn house in one-third of the
tiatrf a.TIA at one third of' the expense, that ho was for-
i?re Y 1141,1 e to. If the Hon. Merels..r wcsild apply ths-
Nlich 8) rit, to to luegage, and add to that the re,.
tit;t:llo2t of 10 per cent., he would be very glad to con-
ttei Bre Present principle. He would take the London
to 4 trmiegharn Railway as an instance. From liondoe
the f?gbY the distance was 84 mites. In the first chats
timsSre was 143. 6d., in the second 10s., and the thin!
Pa •?5. 10d. The distance from Paris to Rouen aas
Th:l'es, and the fare in te Ist class was 16 francs.
The
f'te in the second class was 101 dearer than the
iscu,„nd class from London to Rugby, and the third class
Till: tinted to Bs. 4d. against 6s. 10d. for English fare.
that average of fares in France was more
tom ill England. Were they prepared to
Ze(tpt the French system—it would he no doubt a
It irr,,,
tai- -Frovernent if it could be done constitutionally ;
aiiwu°lt at the vast sums of money spent by the English
kei 'IY companies in fighting through the difficulties at -
1/4t en th it formation. Was he wrong in sating
IN th eLoteion and York Railway Company, not having
Ito fir qill, had spent nearly half a mi.lion.—(Several
eent'teiNnbers, "No, a quarter ")—Well, it might be a
tie
Coe /y eat Yorkshirer, hut he still
line, w thoughichht it
be was
had morebefore. Ther
hi m e was
it
b 4 fotl)ittve last session; that company was now cumuli,
tit; their Bill, having spent nearly 200,0001. without
iet,r,! obtained it. Under the French system, the bed
tem the line was to be planted was given over. Th.•
of ,r4l"' went onto work the line for a certain nitnibe-
thell'44l.B unrler a tariff, and it was then given baisk to
kile The French were 16 rears later in starlit's,- the
10,,V ,estem than the English, and the Enelish had
tiriii- their eap:tal to work their way. We could roe,
ter 3`eer 3,000 miles of railway, wlele they could only go
tee, L')°. Let the English copy from them what was
Ili, 4 but reject all that was otherwise. With regard to
Pti,r,,in! Friend's.expte 6 of the French system, his Hon.
foamed. did not seem to know how that system was
',114 er His Hon. Friend, in speaking of the Londet
kikhe-hrtn,inghain and the Great Western, mentions them
!lice t-;.,11.T. Was it proper to speak lightly with refer-
's th - two great bodies who had been of so much utility
3f. Public? Neither did his Hon. Friend seem to be
iit (";"ur of the principle of amalgamation ; hut
Vl'. Patrick Stewart) knew that amalg,a-
-t1io,?1 had the effect of lowering the rates of charge-
-1() ch ing of increased ep •ed and increased accommo laden
t`elltrtarblie- In fact there was only one instance to the
E''',,ilfeY' and the principle pursued in that instance
he',reelude the possibility of improvement. He did
geltCK this dismission at all premature, because.. the.
ktkle:).4 Constantly meddling with a great institution.
:'0414-llng in the dark for something which they knew
blat see
better than the present system, without know
‘titndere to find it. If the Government rave his Hon.
115_tat;,,the Committee which he asked, they would. have
„le f,"„Lng like final legislation, a legislation that would
Zti -` Years; but, unless they constructed the Commit
lieway,re,``..cullti be constant jealousy and interference, and
Nil„°rl Would be because each line world envy its
,iii -"ure-indoing on the same reasons which Fulton
ha
‘.0,.,114t1ned a man to envy his neighbour, namely, that
'4e ~'"Fred the insi& of his own po,sessiens with
tet;r4tatde of his neighbour's, which appeared to look
jereB aPpea,ances were always fair.
step WORSLEY said that great attention would be
hielt to this subject when the Committee was named,
!is ti should inveitieate it. Although he did not know
Non-"; Member for Inverness, he knew that his obser
Is :I nad suggested some preliminary inqu ry should
ktOce outside the House, which inquiry would
to t the labour falling so heavily on Hen. Members.
St 414 not help thinking that her Majesty's Govern-
Ote'xuld find some tribunal which would perform the
151 ric'w performed by Hon. Members. There were
11tie;12Y-two
were mos Mtemb would arduous ers on the Committees,
and their
' be bet er to
te ; it not
,Nt Pale competent engineer to examine into the &Ire,
"tli„Neres of the lines--e.uch as gradients—previous
tte' seasions? That person should be one in whom
ttadkul6dence could be reposed. Such a proceeding
iltae, Bave great labour, and the Committees souks
klie"t be able to take into consideration the various
tkoti;'cs that might be submitted to them. There was
MI they
Point to which he was anxious to call the atten
(tcliel%the House, in consequence of the change which
eNtt then Entitle in the Committees this sessions, namely.
rnit,"lffic on land should not be inquired into by
.1% ()fres on railways. It was true, that under
le, System very many exaggerated statements
Itd ev- 4 made, but the persons objecting to the railway
11,4' PartrY2Peortunity of exposing any such attempt on
Hlfee of the undertaking. It was true that although
G *a
' th. 1- 8 not to be inquired into, the principal towns
eottiti ee,
from which the traffic was to be expected
It' teu'ehe 14.1 d before the Committee. He did think the
.kt to„ itnportance was attached to this opion,
tekti
,v tauch money would be invested in railway ape
1,,,8, ells f',
, ~ urn the state of the money-market. D.r c
the,,‘ticeirl- event of their obtaining their. Bill, would
se„., . Ifnmethate call, and if they did it would not
et ~.,•te.etaut; he also thought that no company start.
gin
h large capital could, if they were to order new
,e u a, get them ruede for two or three years, for then-
, tt.'4°' a demand upon the engine makers, that unless
tttiiiire to oblige some old established company the.
Itei , net make any. Under the circumstances he cer-
,.icitieught it was necessary that some improvements
41 ee made in the manner of disposing of these
k seat' Ei I 1,.
LIII ",01IG E GREY said. that in the course of the re-
t.`‘ 61:1'4 had Callen from hie Hon. Friend (Mr. Stewart) he
rbittit''tveil that he spoke a amalgarnatioii as not a beneficial
i:,l it'. He believed that it was a most important question.
;Atio,;ki. Ft lend the Chairman of the Committee of Classi-
'aZ!tt"l the -tap; tught, on the part of his Committee, called
ti''`'lou of the Government to this subject, and put ea
1/4t,t,t1:1 to the President of the Board of 'trade, in order to
''itir b what wnere the views of the Government on thi.
ke'. , STEWART slid he did not say that amalgamation
Softikip beeneficial
e aid
t:" PEEL ; that there was a point of considerable
!Ilit,h, ttAles which he had not heard referred to in this die-
es 'I,. Lille Hon Gentleman would take into Committee
1,-,1i71-ike' woo d he in conformity with the principles laid
ttel `ns pamphlet, which showed great . research,. and
It the attention of the public to many points of railway
01:hil to which no atten ion had Feviously Keen given.
10 bad Gentl,Mata was under the impression that great
1k.., '''' been committed in the railway legislation of this
oti, to' The Hon. Gentleman asked—might it
the in
not he des
liZeseo establish some tariff on all railways seeking s
,tes.4. of Parliament? and said that it was a ques,tint,
e'tte ...n would riot be d• sitable to adopt a fresh system.
bt,titt'„lte to each company newly formed only a temporary
I's 17‘tue Possession of the railway. In order to illus•rate
Ilettlects,ihe !-lon. Gentleman would 1.. y be ore the Coins
..,'ANls'Cille,'S iciformaVen connected with foreign ratlwgaayvs.,
01,i,ie time might elapse iefore 'heCommittee.
IVlili,-„°11, and what was to be done . with regard to
istilis
...y Bills now in progress? .It appeared to. him
tit, ttit,". a subj-rt to which the Committee at once three, ei
01, 'to --s'On. It was quite clear that Parliament had the
f as error, and apply new principles to new rail-
N:tit Lu'ies seeking the intervention Le .Parliament, and
t,,t-i`aßilevvery opportunity of now tryinthe question. Where
teleiietntaPanies applied for power togmalg.mate w th other,
Il4:ltie ' the house might hay.- a ri:tht to unpor some new
kiik,„-4"a that line it it sought fur any extended powers
t i's,e, could suspend itrlegisiatiOn in these cats, s until the
l'ett ?.j,`„n_e Cocaine-tee was made. and could put into each
V..,,,Ati1,,„"c subjecting the company to any regutati to which
Vlit-t't might make in consequence of the report of the
ik:a.y. ot der to affect the interest of the coay in the
Ntest 'ti ',he Bills giving those companies a pa-maneet in-
'lttil„ the railway. could have a clause in
.them.
ktveal their powers—a clause enahliog Parliament
tie. -I,,,hat• the interest of the company in twenty
1417tyl 'here had been a legislation framed for these.,
iltt• Nice, but a few years had changed the aspect of
1 tte't e,t""ei alterations anti new. lights had c: me forth, ant
e 4[41 te he wondered at, since two years ago no one ever
,h.Y' iOtt.d the possibility of having such a number of rail-
t.','ll. 2"Y had ai the present time. and it should be fur Par-
til','4ll,„-- 'neater new-regulations .to suit that increase. I. t
e'`est't.ant to know the best weans of serving the public
''ti Pte,fering too far will the application of individual
, 4t then 'lit this grouud I have no objection to the appoint-
lel4°,t4 eCommiitee.—( Hear, hear. )
le Ile,e teUSSELL, who, in his opening observations, was
ty ei4 'a the gallery from the noise that prevailed at the
tki'l'ti, the Right Hon. baronet, at the beginning of the
1N.14.414 expnssed great fear respecting the aprlication of
14,4.)17, aunt ot capital subscribed Isr railway projeeei,
tt.:felt-,414 damage seriously the commer,tai transactions of
YittiP• Nevertheless it seemed the Government had re-
,(l trt t l'kl tiothiug to meet the evil apprehended Nothing ape
,} tat have bee, done beyond the plan for conducting rail-
'4:l:lll43 acted upon last session. The question
.before
Iktleßke-
4"21 of great alit_ it invol7Qii,,tihnetzplpicivasteionnt
IN‘tile,tt I.t si,`"Quildnthraivf
ecahpeten moucrail y ix
much betterap if- thet had taken the
kstl,P4o'f4t,° consideration at the comment•ement of the session
iht • ) I,leadit,e it t.tr• inquiry to a Select Committee.—(Hear,
- ke,,iltegt kelLo'io. „Lim Hassell) had been led to believe tat
in view, when he made his s' ate-
' Ilkik :kr,' 7,". Barone- ha 4
7% 4, I, ''',ways at the be '`uning of. the session, some general
giAi.eitt, what the Government infetided respecting the large
this wday. —h (
.H Hear,
,:te' ) -Zit, propesed to be expende:i in
eeke' that had not yet been done, .
sofa 4iietee Was appointed with the Rightitel:.enpne. Gentlemanwe
1111144cellur of tne Exchequer as one of its mem.'"ers,,,,,th..at.
1: best ate his views with respect to railways generat, s. as
IV
4,nti '' ti euteurse it was advisabie to pursue.— Hear,
said hear. )h
AN CEL LO R of the EXCHEQUER t e
4,1,1'14(.,11, of a tw,fold character. One had relation to the
N,al 0,-"ich the large amount of capital proposed to he ex•
teen tsl4Always would have on the money-market, and the
tIIL tb'111114,141.1 to competition betweed lines of railway and the
4,,...'ttit54 ''',oll of the public. With respect to the first, the
,t4'enietel'''ts which had led to the tears expressed at the
"tell.' "1 the session were now somewhat
tllr9k,,i Those tears arose from he large sinus that were
)95 11111„t° be expended in this way, amounting. according to
'At44,414 "fere the üblic, to neaily 800 millions of moult.
Pl'h‘l't,lOr'' was, aipthe beginning of the sessioti, the total
ktkr:led,4, which his Right Hon. Friend made his statement as
lispq• c' be required foe the various railway schemes pro-
lqi elwt
.ertenly,
it Bills involving that stun hod come before
,e4tt re)' t rnitteeS there would have been a necessity for:
",ls,-41112,exraordina'ry measures to prevent the evils td in-
"ip4l4 -:" to the cull .ir thou must have resulted from the
1k1"-411":14)11cati'lo ' .c
yt: ti the purpo:es of these Bills.
'd to ''eriod th: tob • al
-.) ta :1' red to the Bills had been re-
Zt::l',l sad of ofdthe'wh'Oler; bYrt he operation of the standing
te„ tot h er e,tu,ei, and of this number many no doubt
Z'stit"w 'l''?ught intoaction. The case therefore was di f-
tiONl in, "at it was at the former eriod o which h re-
'tt KW euced the Government to fop t rbear interferinge with
It ,r:ste,ss, of private undertakings There ti, longer existed
tils : tinl:t} fer the interfer,nee of the Parliament which was
seelttsie, aPprehended, and itsat thought best to leave to
191,,t44'5t eiilne ofl the Select Committees the selection of those
tilt t 4 t, o ated to serve the public accommodation. With
littottetee':_!t question for the investigation of which the pre-
. vii ~:"1 tee
a, Was appsinted, he would say that he was
14,t,^pte.„-eent!, and to the best of his ability, endeavour to
tlei, hwie:Zaror the information' of the Haute. Respecting
~:ek e e about the superor advantages of the French
`4ll/4:ll4tkit,tlis''''elud.nset then given. an opinion. He would not an-
-141„.10e ts quo
t ,
„ ell but go into the Committee with every
-"Atttja- aeole the best plan to secure the end in view—
e -41ablic agaiwit the effects of wouopoly, and at