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London, England, 1848-08-21 00:00:00

ODD FELLOWS BILL.

Colonel THOMPSON presented a petition from Brad-
fore against this Bill.

REPORTS.
The report on the Wolverhampton Curacy (No. 2)
Bill was brought up and received.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS.
The Lords' amendments to the following Bills were
agreed to:—
Cterkenwell Improvement.
Exeter and Exmouth Railway Acts Amendment.
The Mar THIRD READING.
time. quis of Bute's Estate Bill was read a third

POOR-LAW UNIONS (IRELAND.)
Mr. S. CRAWFORD inquired whether it was the in-
tention of the Government to make any statement with
respect to the financial condition of the poor-law unions
of Ireland, and also whether they intended to adopt
any means to relieve the distress likely to arise from the
now ascertained failure of the potato crop?
Lord J. RUSSELL said his Learned Friend the
Chancellor of the Exchequer would advert to the sub-
ject in the Committee of Ways and Means.
VANCOUVER'S ISLAND.

Mr. HUME inquired if the Government intended to
persevere with the grant to this company, after the vote
to which the House came on Friday.
Lord J. RUSSELL had not had an opportunity of
consulting the Secretary of State for tho Colonies on the
matter. It would not, he thought, be well to postpone
any arrangement with respect to the affairs of the
island for two years.

SUPPLY.
The House then went into a Committee of Supply.
The following votes were agreed to.
3001. for the Royal Irish Charity.
300/. for the Royal Hibernian Charity.
3,4141. for the Belfast Academical Institution.
3,0001. for the Royal Dublin Society.
42,0001. for the New Building attached to the British
Museum.
On 8,7661. being proposed for the purchase of anti-
quities for the same institution.
Mr. HUME objected to any further grant for the
purchase of antiquities whilst those at present in the,
Museum had not been classified.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the sum was necessary for
the purchase of antiquities which could not, perhaps, Le
obtained at a future time.
The vote was agreed to, as also were the following:---
1,5001. for the National Gallery for the year.
4,798/. for completing the Geological Survey.
5,267/ for maintaining magnetic observations through-
out the world.
2,000/. for Nelson's Monument.
3,4101. for civil establishments in Bahama Islands.
4,049/. for Bermuda.
With respect to the last two votes,
Mr. HUME said the money of this country would
not be drained to the extent it now was if the
colonists were allowed to manage their own affairs. The
present system was kept up for the sake of patronage ;
all these officers were sent out from this country instead
of being left to the choice of the colonists, who would;
in many cases, rather pension them off than have their
services at all.—(Hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said many of the colonies could
not produce persons qualified to take some of 'the offices
which persons were sent out from this country to fill.
Mr. FORSTER agreed with Mr. Hume, and com-
plained that one defective system had been pursued with
respect to the colonies for half a century.
Mr. HAWES said that the applications made since
Earl Grey held office were confirmed by the colonies.
He denied that patronage on a large scale existed in
connexion with the colonies. The Colonial-office were
wholly undeserving of the unnecessary charge made
against them. He deprecated Hon. Members making
indefinite instead of definite charges.
Mr. MACGREGOR said, since 1832, great care had
been •exercised in the appointment ot• officers to the
North American and West Indian colonies, with all of
which he was well acquainted. He could not say this
was the case before the year he had named.
The following votes were also agreed to :-
400/. for the Sable Islands.
13,680/. for the Civil Establishments on the Western
Coast of Africa.
11,5001. for the Civil Establishments St. Helena.
7,5381. for Western Australia.
2,7251., for the establishments at Port Essington.
5,040/., for the establishments in the Faulkland Islands.
On a vote of 20,000/. for New Zealand being proposed,
Mr. GLADSTONE drew attention to the treaty of
Waitangi, which he contended was not an act of the
Executive of the colony, and inquired if the terms of the
contract—namely, that the chiefs should hold all the
laud of which they were in possession, and that it should
not be taken from them except by legitimate purchase—
had been observed.
Mr. HAWES stated in reply that the interpretation
which the Hon. Gentleman had put upon the the treaty
was correct. No land was taken from the aborigines
except by purchase. The treaty had not, theretbre,
been violated. In saying this, of course he exempted
Crown lands, and a certain portion of the middle island,
which was intended Lobe made over to the company for the
purpose of colonization and enterprise in that quarter.
He admitted that some difficulty existed in defining the
exact limits of the different lands. A gentleman had
been appointed to negotiate with the natives wherever
they set up a claim.
Mr. HUME hoped this would be the last vote for the
colony, as it had been granted a constitution, under
which it could levy taxes and defray its expenses out of
them.

Mr. HAWES hoped that the consummation advo•
cated by the Hon. Gentleman was not far distant.
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allowed them, and that represenrationa,na seit-supporE
would go hand in hand together.
Sir F. BUXTON inquired the expense of the naval
and military establishments of the colony for the year.
Mr. HAWES could not reply to the question without
making some inquiry.
The vote was then agreed to.
On the question that a sum of 9,8271. be granted to
her Majesty to defray the expense and charges of the
Government of Labuan,
Mr. HUME moved as an amendment that a sum of
only 3,000 Z should be granted.
Mr. HAWES defended the vote.

Mr. OSBORNE objected to the vote. They had now
a governor, a commander•in. chief, deputy-governor, and
postmaster in Labuan, and he had no doubt it would end
in the appointment of a bishop.—(Laughter.) He
thought the vote extravagant, and he should, therefore,
support the amendment of his Hon. Friend the Member
for Montrose.

Mr. MACKINNON thought the vote called for, and
would support it.
Mr. GLAI)STONE thought the vote was a large one,
and felt some difficulty in acceding to it.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the vote was an
experiment, which he believed would end in the ad-
vantage of this country. If the House of Commons did
not wish the experiment made he would give up the
vote.

After some further discussion the Committee divided,
when there appeared—

For th.e.vote 56
Against it
Majority in favour of the vote
The vote was then agreed to ; as was also a vote of
11,576/. to defray the expenses of the ecclesiastical
establishments in British North America, and a vote of
14,3861. to defray the expenses of the Indian Depart-
ment in Canada.

The House then resumed, the Chairman reported pro-
gress, and obtained leave to sit again at a quarter past
five o'clock.

SUPPLY REPORT.
The report on the Committee of Supply was then
brought up and agreed to.
LABOURING POOR (IRELAND) BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
FEVER (IRELAND) BILL.
This Bill went through Committee, and was ordered
to be reported to-morrow.
MILLBANI PRISON BILL.
This Bill was read a second time and ordered to be
committed to-morrow.

The House, at Twenty minutes past Three, adjourned
to a Quarter past Five o'clock.

The House resumed at a Quarter past Five o'clock.
Mr. PETO presented a petition from Norwich pray-
ing for an amendment in the mode of levying the county
rate.

Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition in favour of
sanitary reform.
NOTICES OF MOTIONS.
Mr MACKINNON gave notice of his intention to
move the appointment of an additional Health of Towns
Commissioner, who should be a med►cal mils.
Dr. BOWBING gave notice that early next session
be should call the attention of the House to the griev-
ances of the Maltese.
HORSHAM ELECTION.

On the question for going into Committee of Supply,
Mr. FITZGERALD begged the indulgence of the
House for a few moments while he alluded to a matter
of a personal nature. It would no doubt. be in the re-
collection of the House that on Friday night the Elon.
and Learned Attorney-General, in answering a question
relative to an action pending against himself, adverted to
the inquiry which was now going on into the va-
lidity of his (Mr. Fitzgerald's) return, n, but as that
inquiry was being , conducted in a strictlyimpartial
spirit, he should be wanting in respect to the Committee
if he adverted to the proceedings that were going on
before them. He could, however, assure the House
and the Hon. and Learned Attorney-General,
that he was in no way connected with the
parties who had commenced the action against him, nor
had he any, the slightest, control over the conduct or
proceedings of those parties. They were acting entirely,
independent of him, and had instituted the legal pro-
ceedings to attain an object of their own. The Hon. and
Learned Attorney-Geaeral, it would seem, had complained
that there were no witnesses to support the action, or they
would have been produced before another tribunal. Now
he could assure the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
that he was altogether mistaken, for there were wit-
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that he had then no intention to bring the
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