The Sun.
London, England, 1846-03-04 00:00:00

pie was injurious to the franchise, or could in any degreS,ber.
if',.,,t,,-ereweer by the House. The IT-in. 'Member Itentiew,
e had den:Attlee., this system et creating vote'. it
ai Old fond-street or at Willis's Resnais, he, had aPt*": list
pseeeteg a resolution br whice the erotectioraists
they would fight the Anti-Corn-law League with theri
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weapons ; and this he did while making a speech fe, °new
things which he was prepared to say the League 111°`tb his
done at all. The Hon. Member for lenaresbo•ough, et,
usual indiscretion, had made an erroneous statement yet" re
ference to the West Riding of Yorkshire ; and be could Rho
the Hon. Member, if he would go to the proper offeh'orr, bets
looked after the registration in the West Riding f
parties, he could &el that, in the very !list ysar, the Thae diet
list. niede a togs r number o tete,ettons to free trarlie; ,
tile free traders din to the tennopolitte. That he °rate ewe
feet. Why, he had often bee', teseue h• himself from .01
held and Northumberland to rnasntain vote, .0
he was confident a better vote could natpiebt
I .und in the tree of Recedale. The
rwe
Hon. Baronet some years age,
tioniats to fight the battle in the registration caurtse any. et
knew train the exclamation of the Honourable Alec' ;bee
recommended the Pjther
ShreWsbury, of " How we did register?" the manner in tie
tee protectionists did fellow that advice. They keeel "endbe
protectionists subscribed their money for the pureme'reseel
vas not ashamed to admit that they were subscribing oef
for the same object. He hae beard that as many *4 fises coo
had been made out of one holding. Why, he knew .0,0
where, on the estate of a Noble Duke in Scotland, otptry•
einsteen votes had been made for one place in that c°
.site
Now, this was, nothing. so long as Gentlemen on the °(/'l,eie
benches were prepared to act upon the principles of the glee
tration Act. But now the tables were turned—the'reroie°
was up—they were no longer strong—they were now sead poe
p eiy. The principle which they formerly advoca'ed eyteeitel
turned against them, and now they were desirous of obis
another form. He would tell them that they had simelYeaeteree
the same principle, and that they would make use of al) tbt
which the Meuse showed them. with the view of ceder"",
ad
aboe ion of the corn-laws. The Anti-Corn-law Lesgaitlerf
made up their minds—they had decided on this efeint' Itotel
were determine to carry the matter through the eg'-esisl
honest elections. He thought that the system of vet" °Pe
crej.-cted to, was one as likely to answer the purl-tal:est
party as the ether. They had nothing to gain bY pint'.Public opinion was in their favour, and the quest°l,ollr
was, whether they should proceed in the course whicheintireel
a bested, er whether they should forbear ? Hon. G,bthtt
would quite understand his views, but he might gal t;o:JCP
the law which Gentlemen on the opposite side of the n
vototed, was as good as buried.—( Cheers.)for
Mr. S. O'BRIEN was exceedingly grieved to ,!e°lol
heavenly serenity of the Member for Durham disturbed',
he Must beg to remind the House that the point flocreibid6
Hot,. Gentleman had mooted, although it was veristeio°,e
hail no relation to the matter in debate; the great eae'elarlet-
as to how tar the 40s. freeholders had or had not bse°
of as mere instruments. Now he could say that tr:t tilet;l
ti had W
had been that. large associations. with large u? per
command, had interfered greatly with the elections °n "Sete;
parts of the country, and he besseed to remind the gfaeett (.0
t
ber for Liskeard (Mr. C. Buller) that the lion. islet ell
Halite* had asserted that two parties had interfered ° affeTtes
trict with large sums of money, and had considerably shad
those elections. He ventured to assert that in e° c,aessScelr
single vote been objected to by the Conservative Pani'esso
by persons residing in the district in which the Oa
br
tained. . ehicl;eif
Mr. E. ELLICE, jun., said, that in the district eoreoi
represented, an assoris!ron of ce ern, ry gentlemen had bee"aislitle
which was called the Conservative Registration Affy
anti that association having failed in the county, tebeeeish
1'
their energies anti their money towards the borough slt't
represented, in order to destroy the liberal partY•emilt
were ()Veiled to in Scotland by a wealthy person. it ",, Ye,
him from 101. to 20'. to keep that vote on the releitht.'.o;esette
however, that they were all ageeed, the sooner senieescit
calculeted to restrain rush illegalities was introd°
better it would be for the interests of the country' 1101
Mr. BO R I'll WICK considered that this We' seer' ese
which demanded investigation, and the question fa',
j 0
to inquire into was, whether 'certain acts, il„,0
titutional as to be utterly subversive a spli.ee
had been perpetrated by a body calling itself the P
ot,
law League. He should like to know if the Hoff 00,4
had ever assisted at, honest elector in the purchase leterbee
It Its we rg to leave the electoral body alone, without ere mr
with his half million of money, he would do much a' eithosh
the Hon. Alernber said, " Oh, I shall assist 0110 eit'; jor
money if they are favourable to my views, and 'e"meellet
• o forward them." He loped the Noble Lord the: tsr,tbi
London, whe was so eminently known as the origin-tor°
Reform Bill, would not lie against putting • "tuP
sy-stem of interference with the frariehite. A for Iteiod
11r. r'CONN Els L— One word, Sir—one were est
—( Hear, hear ) I understand that the grievance -thous"
ref is that notices are served upon ,nterq, infortne,ingn if t'ete,
they are to be objected to at the registration. h'4°. our (el,'
a grievance with ;nu, I shall show how far greater l'he sive
of complaint in Ireland. In that country the
of complaint to Ireisod. In that countrlooe rit
had to travel many miles to have his naeipisi°• '1
on the registry. In this country the 1: ost'tre
that notices are served on the electors, stating tbe, teP eb
the objections to their claiming to be placed upon toe is,
Now, in Ireland no such notice is served at all, esnafero4,,
county which I represent—a county with a polla'ad to Jte
seven hundred thieu,and—the electors are obligeerei
fifty miles to have their names plac: d on the reg';bee Oleo
id
they got there they know not what objection' ie, lie
meet. Now, if the elector did not take that troth' el/
riot be able to yore at ail.
the io
An HON. MEMBER, (on the protection side of tot
Is that annually ? e t,OO
Mr. O'CONNELL—No, it is not. annually; t.:§leobl
another grievance with us. I state these thing! sre,,,set
if you think the objections stated here this evelforePo3'
gem into, we have the first claim upon you•-cr
But this is only one of the lighter grievances of
steel ts
shall now, Sir, content myself' with having it es
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s/
grievance on our part is far heavier. land
Mr. MONCKON MILNES hoped that Jr` eiebte
not he forgotten, and considered that it would 1)1,0 'ft
proper, if the Right lion. Baronet permitted the ;se t°,
remedied in England and not in Ireland. He Wee epeill
test against the assumption of his Hon. Friendeeete ate'?
for Liskeard (Mr. C. Buller), that there sea" s 6.1-01111)1
upon that subject nn that side of the House thamee e0:1
If the landlords of England were to follow the exiltbeit te
League, and set themselves to partitioning 6'1.00%0'5
'too smael votes, they would have beaten the d If
I 10e
the field. He was rejoiced to see that they had
into such an unworthy conflict.—( Hear, hare', ;Orr?'
tuna obtained by the League was devoted to teereti./ ,,e 01
giving to the farmers of England an opportunitY °rest fj
the League, he considered that it would be • 1;1;i,
money. It would be difficult to impress WO' se;
the sum of 25,0001. Otl I ,
4 W 19,11'1'
A MEMBEH. on the opposition side stated that at 11 bit is
Mr. M. MILNES proceeded to state he mlicet
lion or rather he should say a quarter of a Inielitetioe tote
sum should be spent, solely for the purpose of facile erld.ell'ie
lie could not believe that the 2,000 voters Weep's 'rt_e,
West Riding of Yorkshire, had obtained their /
own tnoney ; it was a fact which he could net 0 this '
trusted that they would proceed by Legislation 40
sJ
and he thought. that the petition of the tide
Staffordshire would tend to delay the measure. r, tif•Peottgel
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that many Yetat he,reisfe
introduced a Bill, in which he provided, weur
would be a remedy against this evil—vrbet"eessaPiere
were proper or not, he would not at present 004 eltee
in, attire which he proposed was, that the "terror t'itt st
twice before the Court—his name! should be, escebiimod,
retained upon the list without any further troubileusefiro 4,
should be some circumstances tending to di rihe
oitee/Pe
a voter. That was the reeredy whichee nhenteeeto
fir eonfes-ed that it did seem to him tit Ineeeeeleefitle„t
whether votes were created at the suggestion (fee te‘ cts.o
law League or by any other body, and when "re
it to
tay, " We must inquire into the practice ere' it to ley
the Anti-Corn-law League, but we will lea/etben PerrtJ
adopted by parties who have tether ends in view .°n A'
of the corn-law "—(Cheers.) If an investiga( elosi'ee
nary it should not be made into the proceeding 9 it tird( er
but into the proceedings of all—in short' eisl'eitterreJ
e. neral as suegested, by the Hon. Member ferhe (i,op
C. Buller ). The Right Hen. Gentleman ete, eets '904
Bute bad alluded to the creation of fictitious oce es'f jot' re'
John Russell) did not know when the Preell tee leei
carried on as in Scotland, and he must have introt
in which votes were created in that countredentolcorere,
ferrett to. 'the Hon. Gentleman the VMe-Pre'li bee° nrol'esiO
of Trade must be awace that many elections heitbeet ',sled to,
such votes, which were possessed by parties eet ell/I'ol 0'
He ( Lord Joan Russell) hoped, therefore, Rheed et
ereeiOPetio
were applied that they would be general, a°
.he prateteliefs
the proceedings of any body of men, butte thoot- parctioo•
all.—( Hear, Fear.) Then, with regard ,tr° aeue °Tlieleek'
were encouraged by the Anti-Corn-law heeerres• ro'
freeholds in order that. they might posse" ecurre
Member for Moll stateo that instances had er
Jeojite, otbeS
stele of wo king men having votes without „d; , bl
pert V. if this were so he considered it a "or tiOeviVi
other hand, where men having saved 50160 fola°,4 Land' s'
industry chose, at the instance of the Anti- f-frreeheeteo‘lo";
anybo..y else, to lay it (tut in the purchase-1 tboor 'fop
to receive the rents which it yielded. he said Toe th!neee
tti
good as those posse.sed by any other person.lo,) tee.' le'
ber who had just sat down (Mr. W. 311ao n 00 Ps'
right of voting on account of the posse, -d-lureSitiob
in the counties in Enland imelrepe the teat
thought this was not necessary—( Heer)lein her' I'sf
Gentleman opposite would; no doubt, re ode° colt' 0
the Reform Bill was under discussion, the gnaerse°s sesideC"
a he et ce,
discussed, and it was determined that
the,e et
00 0 or
thought non-resident, should be as good es
ed he e°
the spot for which they claimed a vote, au ef 00" coo
said that iota'
_se!
(Itiiteoar
eisal
rra).nchise permous on aecount
__ei, , A tO
Air. MILNES explained that he nee',_elensitleu iesloot
stitutional sense, persons ought not to so
0.
~, 6001 T%,
that the law prevented them from doing
e!,,, eear Tdelese be e
Alr. HUME said, during the last w.'of 1V1," ugh
objections had been served in the cetinnle. Alteaeee
particularly in the borough of Alarylebia°o7 teeentscereelia ere
occupied a house its it for the „,n_ tee last )
he had been served with objections for
surer e, bet
It. was always his misfortune that the
_erejected_ti eseeoistioe
happy
no
to o say
posed to the House were at the thntee Hear °hi, Woe!,
hltacorrect, and that t n't o"
when he felt that they were corre •
_dee the eouli
ees %
Gleeee se etoer
however,teltadopttendr.nhi n iron:
00 estia.eeor
a constitutional course. Now lie tuonhe no s eeliettoe
easyt obe
matter,aersva
was not a resident far at least twelved
to recomtnet- d to'r,
tided to have a vote. ee ventured
and
sugges,foo,o,eittia!(o,
Pa the tete 'tee
but be 0a 0e" 00
was a deposit' e
.0
at length come when there iet, e,„ as ao",walt lee ee
st
to make the necessary changes.. lf were t „rol',ooo
nt ai formerrt
tt ey rso°l.we occasions
forty different
itffnheertnehnet attended kinds
franchise,
tto- franchise
l . .fe „est to j
ld be rose "ss brt
their side. But he preferred that
sed he b°P hieb 10-erl
honest:3, entitled to the franc
`he
°fte' ate 14 Irf,
merit would bring in a Bill,
at
e they• had the
rreetll' the PO'
free-trade voters as the pretetionaliset;
a__.
ea
be,
ample evidence of from wo•
powerful body went through
extent in /a o°,oris, tfeee of
curiae elf votss to a very large
oe these gr a, )
kingdom, which might Le justifiedie, Bear,bget,ied
tbeesisoio
ei e (beged t breheu
odteir:ttroyodaticar° calf ederbt°iliiiter4
tea? d
tele tur b belle e
that practise
coe n be e
extending the franchise. Now
in
the Presentehing , 0 thereee
was a great object to be gait 1. e
ot. the be" end tt'teeerl'es
(e}ef,efogreadege,:oldawor, talubtatialiprulyrpaotside l;egitona cot ee
lend the fran, et, . ,
would he to simplify and ex
~is svdoe by
_3
hinata
io,'"ee place
it was ;steel, and he therefore thouts
_Jese, .:0:0
tey
Filet' jets'
much ti
means.—( be
there was Irleen oil we het to
mtwh would
au
nl
roll
b eu(
Hear,fnaoi
lcomplaintsyhe
e.n. r
(.1
)t
that
t
err. AGLIONBY said that.
recritninetie
cc!, tbet
0.
and he believed one par
fur the lee•
irl)°' to e°Ld'euieseed
as the other. He rose now fur
the rholo' "ibat trio'
thought toe only quest'.
inquiry,
whethertru,test
~oreders
many valuable hours watsvtedwaital aes rinfuoyifi,gief:detio
whether there would be an
1.1111.•
_lleeesece aolt°oo` t,khef,
o,ver -0. roe'
mediately brought in ; but with theit
tape that duty not ter be tatnaetre7ri te, amenethey
ties itio'e
do s% eeer ef
3thietr.,,,G,ho,vre-errientehnet
Hto bursteegwan:itueho,ewin::::;.
.offro
bey
must do much
and
tisfaction to the eel
the re_4tlo
little good, and give leo
i.
the hope that ai_e eessr
extend Re
these remarks now, wit
he thought Le
they would be attendee to, and
mifotrleleythand not
to