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RAILWAY GAUGES.

The Earl of CL &RE. NDON brought in a Bill for
the regulation of the railway gauges, which was read a
first time.

COALWHIPPERS' BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed, and their
Lordships adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four
o'clock. .

The O'CoNoR DON was introduced by Mr. Fitz-
stephen French and the Hon. W. Cowper, and took the
oaths and his seat upon his re-election for Roscommon.
Lord W. POULETT took the oaths and his seat for St.
Ives, in the room of Mr. W. Praed, deceased.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS.

The Lards' amendments to the following Bills were
considered and agreed to :
Airdrie and Coatbridge Waterworks.
Belfast Improvement.
East Lancashire Railway (Deviations and Branches).
Furness Railway Extensions,
lluddersfield and Sheffield and Manchester and Leeds

Railways Amalgamation.
Ipswich and Bury St. Edmund's Railway (Norwich

Extension). -
Kennington-lane, &c. Lighting, &c.
Kilmarnock Waterworks. _

Liverpool and Bury and Manchester and Leeds Rail
ways Amalgamation.
London and Brighton and London and Croydon Rail
ways Consolidation.
London and Brighton Railway (Wandsworth Branch).
Oxfor3 Worcester, and Woverhampton Railway.

Rothesay Municipal and Police.
Shrewsbury, Oswestry, and Chester Junction Railway

(Extensions and Deviations).
Shrewsbury, Oswestry, and Chester Junction Railway
(Crickheath and \Vern Lines).
Wath-upon-Dearne Improvement.
SECOND READINGS.
Borthwick's Estate Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed.
THIRD READINGS.
The Dublin Cemeteries Bill and the Tramore Em-
bankment Bill were read a third time and passed.
On the motion of Viscount NORTHLAND, the re-
port on the Dublin, Belfast, and Coleraine Railway was
ordered to be considered on Monday next.
1 Mr. SPOONER presented a petition from the Rev.
Mr. Pyne, in the diocese of Dublin, complaining of
being removed by the Archbishop of the same for be-
longing to the Evangelical Union. He also presented
several other petitions from Ireland, complaining of the
tax called " Ministers' Money," and praying for its repeal.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition, numerously
signed by the gentry and clergy of the county of Tip-
perary, representing the great advantage which had
accrued to the county by the Public Works Bill, and
praying that the House would cause the recommenda-
tion of its Committee, in 1835, to be acted upon.
The HoN. MEMBER also presented a petition, signed
by the Presbyterian congregation of Warrington, pray-
ing for the abolition of capital punishments.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from a native of
India, a resident in England, in the service of the Raja
of Sattara, praying that the House would order an in-
quiry into the complaints of his master, whom, he said,
was oppressed and borne down by means of bribery and
corruption.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Sir G. GREY said it was the intention of his Noble
Friend the First Lord of the Treasury, on ,londay, to
move that as the public business did not now occupy so
much time as at the commencement of the session, that
after that day public business should commence at
half-past four, instead of five o'clock, as heretofore.
FLOGGING IN THE ARMY.
Dr. BOW RING gave notice, that on the motion for
going into a Committee of Supply on the Army Esti-
mates, he should propose that flogging in the army
be immediately abolished.
PUBLIC EXHIBITIONS.
Mr. HUME moved for a return of the number of
persons who visited the British Museum, the Tower, and
Hampton Court Palace, in 1844 and in 1845, with the
view of ascertaining whether there was a sufficient
number visiting these exhibitions to allow of their being
opened from five to seven in the evening in summer.
—Agreed to
The HoN. MEMBER gave notice that he would post-
pone his motion concerning the Administration of Jus-
tice in Scotland till Monday.
ST. JAMES'S PARK.
Mr. HUME, seeing the Noble Lord, the late Presi-
dent of the Woods and Forests, in his place wished, to
ask him, in reference to St. James's Park, whether any
new regulations as to admission had been adopted, ex-
cluding certain parties from the park?
Lord LINCOLN said that no instructions had been
given to that effect during his time in office; on the con-
tray, considerable relaxation had been made in the rules
of admission.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr: HUME moved that the petition of Govind Row

Wittul (presented May 25th), should be printed.—
Agreed to.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. _ _

On the motion of Sir G. GREY, it was agreed that
the House, at its rising, should adjourn until Monday
next. _ _ _

Mr. COWPER presented several petitions from various
places against the violation of the Sabbath by Sunday
trading
THE SUGAR DUTIES CONTINUANCE BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER having
rose to move the order of the day for a Committee of the
whole House on this Bill,

Lord G. BENTINCK rose and said—l take this op-
portunity of stating that I shall postpone the motion of
which I have given notice till Monday next, when the
sugar duties will be brought on.
The SPEAKER having left the chair, and the House
having resolved itself into Committee on the Bill, and
the clause as to the limititation of the period of the Bill,
Lord GEORGE BENTINCE: said he would move, as
an amendment, that the word " July" be substituted ter
the word " September." The effect of this amendment
would be to make the temporary Bill an eleve❑ months'
instead of a monthly Bill, and it would have effect until
July, 1847. His object in moving this amendment was
not to obstruct the Government in any way, but to
facilitate their movements, and not to interfere in any
way with any permanent measures that they might
think fit to adopt. At the same time, if,
upon further reflection, her Majesty's Ministers should
think fit to defer till another session the permanent
settlement of the sugar duties it would give them an
opportunity of doing so, and he could assure the House
that it would be a great relief and nothing more than
an act of justice and mercy to the merchants engaged in
„ the sugar trade if they should afford them this small
respite for the measures proposed by her Majesty's
Ministers.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") 'The appre-
hension as to a famine in sugar was far more
visionary than the apprehended famine in corn.—(Hear,
hear, and laughter.) He took the liberty of stating on
a former evening, that no lese shan between 40,000 and
50.000 tons of sugar were annually produced in the
Mauritius ; since that statement, the mail had
arrived from India, bringing intelligence that no
less than 60,000 might :be expected to be pro-
duced there in the present year ; and 72,000
would probably be produced in the Cape of Good
Hope. The Noble Lord having said that it was not his
intention at present to enter at any length into the
subject of the sugar duties, concluded by moving the
amendment. He would propose to extend the period
named in the Bill, sth of September, 1846, to the sth
of July, 1847.
On the amendment being put,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said

that he did not intend, at that period, to go into the
general question of the sugar duties. He would merely
state that everybody, and every communication which
her Majesty's Government had received upon the subject,
all concurred in this,: that it was desirable that
the sugar question should be permanently settlement. He
was sure that all persons, whether they went further than
her Majesty's Government, or whether they did not go so
far upon this question still argued in representing the set-
tlement of the sugar question as an important consi-
deration. He did not believe that anybody, either in
the House or out of the House, believed that the
question of the sugar duties should be suffered to
stand upon the present basis. He thought that the
proposition of his Noble Friejid the Member for Lynn
would defeat his own purpose. He could assure the
House that the Government intended to go on with the
measure they proposed, and he trusted that they would
be able soon to bring the question to a permanent
settlement.
Sir R. INGLIS said he did not intend to go into the

general question of the policy of the present sugar
duties. He must say that in his opinion there was
nothing in the proposition of the Noble Lord the Member
for Lynn which would at all interfere with the ultimate
decision of Parliament, or with the proposition of the
Noble Lord at the head of the Government. By
adopting the amendment of the Noble Lord, the
House would have time to deliberate upon the ques-
tion, and the trade would be protected from the
sudden interference with the existing duties. The
proposition of his Noble Friend might do good in
this sense, but it could not do harm in the sense of her
Majesty's Ministers if they had a triumphant majority,
which they anticipated, but with respect to which,
he believed, they were grossly deceiving them-
selves ; his proposition could not vitiate that
triumph at all. And, besides, if they acceded to
it, they would have until July next a similar
amount of revenue from the importation of sugar to
that which they had derived since July last. No man
believed that the sugat 'duties ought not t - be con-
tinued as a source of revenue, and as the
proposition could not possibly do harm, he should give
it his support.
Mr. LABOUCHERE repudiated the idea that the
Government were swayed at all by the expectation of
a triumphant majority on the measure brought
forward by the Noble Lord the First Lord of
the Treasury. All they wished was that
the subject should be fairly discussed, and that a decision
should only be come to after mature deliberation ; and
therefore they had no wish to prejudge the question, but
if they passed a continuance Bill for a year instead of a
month, as proposed, the question would be left open, and
the greatest uncertainty and derangement to trade could
not fail to ensue. In fact, he believed nothing could be
more fatal to the commerce of the country and to the
interests of the West Indian planters if an impression
was convoyod abroad that P.rli.t.cui, was disinclined to
enter, in the present session, into a serious consideration
of the-duties, with a view to the final adjustment of those.
duties. Any one who had watched the condition of the
country for the last five years, and the uncertainty in
which that commerce was placed by the unsettled con-
dition of those duties, must be aware that no question
stood more in need of a permanent and final adjustment
than the sugar duties.—(Hear.) Then, again, the sub-
ject would be soon again brought before the House by
the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell).
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
House divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment
Against it
_ _ _

Majority against the amendment ...
THE WELLINGTON STATUE.

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On the motion that the order of the day for going
into Committee of Supply be read,
Mr. C. BERKELEY said that he could assure the
House that in bringing forward the motion of which he
had given notice, he should follow the -example of his
Noble Friend with regard to the brevity of his
observations. He was sorry that the subject had
not been taken up by a Member more influen-
tial than he was, but considering the im-
portance of the subject to the public at large, he had
no hesitation in bringing it under the consideration of
the House, A number of individuals, with the most
praiseworthy intentions, had subscribed large turns for
the purpose of erecting a testimonial to the Duke of
Wellington. A site was required, and the gentlemen of
the Committee, without consulting the majority of the
subscribers, had decided upon placing it upon the arch at
the top of Constitution-hill. Several remonstrances were
addressed to Lord Melbourne, but with Jut any good effect.
Now he knew that his Noble Friend opposite would tell
him that his motion was too late, but the papers on
which it was founded were not moved for by the Mem-
ber for Oxford till the 29th June, and they were in the
hands of Members till the llth July. Now he was not
going to follow the example of his Noble Friend whom
he saw behind him.—(Loud laughter.) It was impos-
sible to imagine anything more inartistical or in worse
taste, and he would trouble the House with a state-
menrof Mr. Decimus Burton's opinion on the subject.
(The Hon. Member here read some extracts to the effect
that the arch presented an appearance far too meagre
for the design, and was exceedingly inappropriate.)
All the architects that had given their opinions on the
bubject had expressed themselves in the strongest terms
against the proposal. There happened to be one of the
most distinguished foreigners in this country
lately an Italian gentleman—and he was per-
fectly astonished at the monstrous proposition,
and concluded by saying, that if the plan was carried
out the statue and the arch would most assuredly fall.—
(Hear, hear.) Now he (Mr. Berkeley) must say that he
gave the Noble Lord' the First Commissioner of the
Woods and Forests, wry great credit for doing his best
in this matter. The letter he had written ought to have
considerable weight with the House, and the letter of
his predecessor in office was equally gord. He would
not trouble the House by reading the Noble Lord's
letter ; but Lord Canning said in his com-
munication to the Committee, that whilst
in the name of her Majesty he was quite
prepared to permit the placing of the statue on the arch,
he at the same time considered it his duty to state that
her Majesty's Government hoped that the Committee
would act in compliance with the many remonstrance■
which had been presented to them against the proposal,
by desisting from placing the statue on the arch, and
that every eminent architect and artist who had
been consulted on the subject decidedly condemned the
proposal to erect a statue of so colossal a size as was
intended to be placed on the arch.—(Hear.) In answer
to that communication of Lord Canning the Duke
of Rutland said that the Committee had refused to re-
consider their design, and they insisted upon carrying
their monstrous proposition into effect.—(Hear, hear.)
Well, then, he (Mr. Berkeley) considered that
the House were called upon to interfere
in this matter.—(Hear, hear.) The arch on the top of
Constitution-hill afforded a thoroughfare to one of the most
crowded parts in the metropolis, and itwas also one of the
entrances to the palace of the Sovereign of this country.
That arch was also built at the public expense, and the
House of Commons had a right to say that such an in-
terference was attempted to be made with the arch as
ought not to be permitted. He should, therefore, propose
"That an humble address be presented to her Majesty
praying that her Majesty will withdraw her consent to
place the statue of the Duke of Wellington upon the arch
at the top of Constitution-hill.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. 11. BAILEY, in rising to second the motion of
the Hon. Gentleman, the Member for for Cheltenham,
did so with the greatest pleasure, because he had
himself intended to bring forward such a mo-
tion, but he had delayed doing so until
certain letters were laid upon the table of the House.
He must say that the proposition of the subscribers to
the statue was most monstrous.—(Hear and laughter.)
What he wished to impress upon the attention of the
House was, that they were about to erect a
monument in honour of the greatest hero this country,
had ever produced, being manufactured of imperishable
materials, and he believed it would form the
greatest colossal statue in the world. It was calculated
to remain for ages, and ages yet to come, not only as a
monument of the great man it was intended to represent,
but as a monument of the knowledge and taste of the fine
arts existing amongst the people of this country in the
age in which they lived, and it was, therefore, highly de-
sirable that the monument should be made as perfect

IMPERIAL PARL lA,
HOUSE OF LORDS, Ju
LIVERPOOL, PRESTON, AND
RAILWAY.
Lord STANLEY said he had a petition from the in•
habitants of Ormskirk in favour of the Liverpool, Preston
and Ormskirk Railway. Their case was one of peculiar
hardship. The Bill had been now before Parliament
for two years. The company had petitoned to bring in
the Bill early in January ; they did so early in the
month of February. In June, the parties being all
ready to proceed, the House of Commons interfered,
and a delay of four months was thereby occasioned.
They went into Committee early in the month of June,
and early in the month of July it was reported that
they had complied with all the standing orders. On
;he 7th some communication was made which led to a
private inquiry, and the consideration of the report was
postponed until the 9th. On the 10th of the same
month the Bill was engrossed, but in consequence of
the neglect of the officers, the sheets were not stitched
together, and a considerable delay was occasioned.
Now had not any of these accidents happened, not one
of which were occasioned by the neglect of the parties,
the Bill would have already received their Lordships'
sanction. The postponement of this Bill would involve
the parties in an expense of 60,0001. ; and if the same
accidents were to occur next session, they would be pre-
cisely in the same position next year as they were now.
He would not ask his Noble Friend for an answer just
now, but he would ask him to inquire, and ascertain
how many Bills there might be which had passed the
third reading in the other House, and were stopped by
somenousand see h
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circumstancesany of them
of the regulationsmight,
without
of that
inconvenience, be committed, and got through the
House, so as to have as few remnants left for next ses-
sion as possible.
Lord BROUGHAM conceived that some plan should
be devised, similar to that of the last session, and that
this frightful expense might be saved to the parties. A
suggestion had been made that three Peers should be
selected for Committees, but considering the great
powers which were delegated to those Committees, and
how unwilling the louse were to set aside their deci-
sions, he thought there were important reasons why the
number of five should be continued. Some provision
might be made to the effect which he had suggested.
The Earl of CLARENDON said that he had had
the honour of receiving ~everal parties connected with
this Bill, and had certainly not given them much hope
that the House would depart from the resolutions which
it had adopted. But this was a case of very great hard-
ship, and if it could be overruled by any means, he
thought that course ought to be adopted. The Bill, in
fact, had been read a second time on Monday.
Lord BROUGHAM and Lord STANLEY explained that
the Bill only stood for a second reading.
Lord REDESDALE thought that their Lordships
ought not to commit the same error which they did last
year—that of preferring one line to another ; for it
should be recollected that they were all competing lines.
He said that the public suffered much from imperfect
systems, passed under particular favour. He said it not
with any disrespect of his Noble Friends, who had been
on the Committee ; but be did say that there were not
two less perfect schemes than those two which he had
enjoyed the honour of bringing up.—(Hear, hear.) These
schemes could not have been constructed on the Bills
which had been passed ; the Bills were being amended
and patched up, and indeed new Bills altogether would
have to be drawn up. He hoped the House would keep
strictly to the rules which had been laid down; and,
though it might be a hardship, their keeping strictly to
a day beyond when no Committee should be appointed
would only prevent greater hardship in a future
year.
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Lord STANLEY thought that it would be convenient
if a list of private Bills, and the stages at which they had
arrived, were laid before the House.
Earl GREY assented.
GLASGOW TERMINI BILL.
On the motion of Lord HARDWICKE, this Bill was
read a third time and passed.
The Bills on the table having been forwarded a stage,
their Lot dships adjourned.

MEN T.
ly 23.
DRMSKIRK

HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 23.
POOR REMOVAL BILL.
Colonel WOOD considered that the proposed Bill
would remove considerable hardship from the poor. It
would prevent their being sent away in their old ago