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wholly unsupported even by those most likely to be he-
netited by it. He would, therefore, move that it be
read that day six months.
Mr. GISBORNE expressed his concurrence in the
sentiments which had fallen from the Hon. Member
who had last addressed the House; in his opinion this
railway would never be made, and if the House were
dividot he should not vote in favour of the Bill.
Capt. PECHELL observed Cat he considered that
this was not exactly the time fur a discussion on the
merits of the Bill, but he asked how was it possible
those merits could be fairly tested except in a Com-
mittee of the House ?
Mr. I'ACKE thought it would only be wasting the
time of the House, and sanctioning the expenditure of a
considerable sum of money to no good purpose, if the
House were to pass the Bill.
Mr. H. BERKELEY requested his Hon. Friend to
withdraw the amendment, as it had not been usual during
the present session to propose such an amendment.
Mr. MUNDY—I certainly shall not withdraw my
amendment.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the original motion 6O
Against it 4O
Majority for the motion —2o
LONDON AND MANCHESTER RAILWAY.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN and Mr. MASTERMAN presented peti-
tions in favour of this Bill.
DUNDEE AND ARBROATH RAILWAY.
On the motion of Mr. W. ELLIS this Bill was read a
second time.
GUILDFORD AND CHICHESTER EXTENSION

RAILWAY.
Mr. GISBORNE presented a petition from the land-
owners on the line against this project of the South-
estern Railway Company.
EXTENSION OF THE CARLISLE RAILWAY.
Mr. WARD presented a petition against this line.
NORTH KENT RAILWAY.
Colonel LOWTHER presented a petition from the
clergy, gentry, and magistrates of Canterbury, in favour
(as we understood) of this railway.
MALTA.

kti44l 41145 Y PACIFICATION BILL.
il% te th DELL wished to call their Lordships'
lose ). e 11th clause of this Bill, which he con-
SF,' to,2ttetoher an anomalous one, and one which he
It'..--`,13.
That
before it went down to the House
S,etitrt. I:hat clause in its present shape was a
sii; te °tie, because it provided that if any spi-
to.
eesuilt liquors should be found to have been
e;',taelred " in any house or cabin, the parties
let;pith were liable to a charge of misde-
-80 ~Att one word about " suspicious dream-
-I,lllt h.. Kis• if
004 a .`‘ two or three persons assembled in a
1 Alta °end occasion, and drank a glass of beer
ui,sraea°2 gin. they would be liable to a charge
wo;our upon no other grounds whatever;
, ont " Were not accompanied by the other
ksh 1411 , " under auspicious circumstances."
attt there,jk was a slight exception in favour of
kti%tlii. ste;!_eleventh clause- was most stringent. and
4 ptc2.lln its effects. Suppose that in a village STATE OF IRELAND.
kkit4ei I,7lned district parties wished to provide Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that on the 26th
kes, s, provisions ; groceries, perhaps, or other March he should move that the House do resolve itself
;,tliim4lici,'Ovv, if the grocer happened to have into Committee of the whole House, for the purpose of
tsl4 r.,8 in his house, and that he had persons considering an address to her Majesty on the subject of
blttil *int 'inking, or that he presented his sus- the state of Ireland.
A,
to
glass of spirits, that person was liable ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
e.fles to
lassaora -be transported. If a messenger went It was then resolved that the House at its rising
k, 4 e; and it should turn out, as no doubt it should adjourn until Monday next.
6; ters siluatrY district, that the doctor kept an On the motion that the orders of the day should be
,R)4l Public °P, that, under the clause, would be a read,
iLlithilortsti resort, and the messenger would be liable Captain PECHELL observed, that there was a Bill
el °n• He hoped their _Lordships would not before the House for the payment and enrolment
1,11, bettZe down with the others. Then there was of the Chelsea pensioners. Now he would wish that
N, ,qi kequally objectionable. the Bill were postponed until a return of the Chelsea
a/ Pris-4• GERMANS hoped his Noble and pensioners was made, and the number and names of the
Vekail:sould take one clause at a time. places where they were paid.
Vett Is b6ELL-No doubt it would be far more
kb tk`lt° d° so. Mr. CARDWELL objected to such a course as most
li s'r. .unreasonable.
tat; tes,... GERMANS was sure that his Noble An HON. MEMBER wished to ask the Right Hon.
Vas 'tend on the Woolsack had not slown Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government at what
)le° to consider alterations k tiki , the suggested by period the sugar question would be brought under the
Wats o,learned Friend (Lord Campbell). There attention of the House ?-(Hear, hear.)
liktilese; 'louses commonly called shebeen houses, Sir ROBERT PEEL said it was impossible for him
' '; 4tit ras,','f which were not bound to receive tra- 'to name a day when he would bring forward that
N to th_Lner than have any risks run, he had no question. So far as commercial measures were con-
kititof the \II
04161roposed amendment.
LlT,ohslaei said
Earlth t,eesened, it certainly should have precedence. He would
f most anxious e that
at
t thei t should
earliestbe
period.brou t
He
under tuhpeu ns
wouldproposed
heisutotneiwoenr, the be o_
the ticerree'
11.1,1e,,,aras very hard to say what houses, in some that the. reduced duties should not come into operation
11:11tiabouses of public resort ; for instance, it
tB/1111b1:41at grocers and apothecaries' shops were until the. sth of July next.
TIDE BETTER PROTECTION OF LIFE
k sasacill!e resort within the meaning of the Bill. (IRELAND) BILL.
liiZtlei'tsa°l WESTMEATH said, that any person Mr. O'C'ONNELL wished to inquire from the Right
oh. I Ireland must know that a strong party Hon. Baron et whether it was the intention of the Go-
Ne 114,Inst the selling of groceries and spirits in vernment to follow a certain precedent which bad been
k(10 to d'i in Ireland, and that it might be hard to established in 1773. In that year the Coercion Bill was
nulsia, r!linguish in such cases, introduced into the House of Lords, and was brought
1,0;e 40;LIANCELLOR said, it might be hard to down to the Eons° of Commons, and he was authorised,
ot lea itlof spirits in a house, but it was easy to he believed, Ily the majority of the Irish Members of
Notlsjas bold, notwithstanding. the House to, ask whether the precedent then este-
Napbe,t`l, said that the Noble Lord opposite blished would be followed out in this case. The precedent
,1!)11 of pea) seemed to have great sympathy for was this • as soon as the Bill was brought down to the
t eti te ~,ra i'ns likely to be affected by the Bill, but House of Commons, Lord North, then at the head
hpertt the Noble Lord if he entertained any of her majesty's Government, moved that the
tit Itiark ,e unfortunate labourer and tenant, who Bill be printed, and appointed a day, after
ttautite, :`'n objects of assassination ?-(Hear.) the printing of the Bill, for its first read-
(llls guts
of WESTMEATH would wish that ing ; and as the present is a very important
mitneetsd; l'Lord Campbell) would fancy himself case, he was very anxious to know whether that prece-
, end ‘ Spainfor five
.ti
-a%
11minutes, surrounded dent would be followed in this instance. He wished to
aerpas Aeallina out for the protection of the know when the Coercion Bill now before the House of
leadth? was °,,t•-- -(Laughter.) He (the Marquis of Lords would be printed, and have a day fixed for its
uetter 01 01 linion that he would require some first reading. It was very desirable that the House
j' - Pitha,,ca a for whole bones.-(Renewed should be put into possession of copies of that Bill before
tllatie
s ill as th any discussion took place upon it.
v Wit, ,_ -en 'greed to. Sir R. PEEL said that there was a very material dif-
ference res isl a third time and passed. ference between the Bill to which the Hon. and Learned
t, CT lON . tGAINST RAILWAY Member had referred, as having passed in the time of
,40110..„. CO N.L 'I 'ANIES. Lord North, and that which was now before the House
'4tei Qrs,-„,"AM pros. sated a petition from Mr. of Lords. The first-mentioned Bill was a coercion Bill,
if 411 e -"!"; near Fat isley, Renfrewshire, which but that which was now before their Lordships was a
Qi.se gatione against two railway companies, Bill for the better protection of life in Ireland.
Cql d, struck at the pr, vileges of that House in At the same time he must admit that the:precedent
ei,:fr!e. The pea, Lion had reference to
V liiir4 matey, and to which the Hon. and Learned Member referred
Greek ock, and the Glasgow, was established in the year 1773.- (Hear, hear.) Lord
0-1 t • °•l.nock, and Ayr,- Railway Companies,
`st Join •North moved when the Bill was brought to the House
yia; t line, and it , ea.% respecting this that that it should be printed, and the first reading of it post-
it yin;
was made. The pet'seioner said that when poned. He (Sir Robert Peel) was desirous that the pre-
-4.144 before Parliame• -0, the plans showed sent Bill should be proceeded with without delay,but still
thine intention of the projectors to take as the precedent had been established, he had no objec-
t"gh the lawn in '
A t front of his tions against moving that the Bill, when it reached that
,tll, considerable expense he same to London House, should be printed, and that a future day be
Feeap-
„ tieet and it was eventua ‘ly arranged that pointed for taking it into consideration.
tt„,- 4(e should be introduced into the Bill in CUBA SUGAR.
kelt 1-,) Petitioner He ceder this ar- Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that, as a question had
t ~,,
.14 • . r. went home
Ne its% judge his surprise to noti, w that when
the sugar duties, he should wish
already been asked about
gaga'seed the protecting clause was struck out. to ask the Government another question. It had been
to this that the- • • .Je aw pre-
N . tsar_
i IN ' gross and scandalous fraud cis
tist that th, e Par- about to make some proposition to the Government
yak, th House he (Lord Brougheun,
4,4 "3'
‘,l ett Were bound to make inquiries,- -
...never England and
of Spain with regard to matters relating to
and Spain. with
the Noble Earl at the same time stated
yot,„1). as would prevent such maleprac OW% that it was not intended, either directly or indirectly, to
kl tlie,.reat was, that the parties had made us eal prevent the slave trade. Now, he (Lord J. Russell)
;Ilik,tlili plans to those which they had produL le4ll wished to know whether it was proposed to admit the
ti;. how" passed. The Bill was passed , 12 productions of Cuba ?
a. of Itt h `ver long ago it might be, if it could be ' Sir R. PEEL-Her Majesty's Government do not
I f . eartie
1,,114, k; „ s had been guilty of such a gross contemplate the introduction of sugar from Cuba into
~,,,t441- such a gross deception on the House, the ports of this
country.
°I th • FAMINE IN IRELAND.
11/41 () , their Lordehips to inquire into it.
tet,_
_teet;A'Nl) YORK RAILWAY BILL. Mr. GEORGE P. SCROPE wished to know whether
undertake
"Ad -`4l of the Earl of DALHOUSIE, this it , was the intention of Government to.
, )
t. a first ti ' responsibility of alleviating the
;immense
, ietii,`Prdersof me.
the •
eips ad the day were then disposed of, and pose' it early day.
calamity in Ireland at an f
e_ }turned. . absolutely necessary that the wants o
It wa $
aties_ ••••-•-_,....48,..._-
O t,4t n etry should be supplied without delay.
that c Ow
s l'-aests -4' COMMONS, March 13. But it seen led to him that the responsibility of relieving
of Ireland during the present season of dis-
)c 4 took the Chair at a quarter to Fourthe e ople
p
4
)41..e(tttke,,,NEW MEMBER. , tresss bout A
d he undertaken by the local authorities the
f uar,lians, and the landlords of that country.
IN sr eh '"E . boards o g
the responsibility had been unwisely
teh NTINCIL who was introduced by the He th( night that,
MIL 4 4 and Major 'the G overnment ;and, indeed, he conceived
Or or, Beresford, took the oaths. sand throw' a upon •
dought to be the same as that
'hoed e Ltt. Nottinghamshire. The Noble Ltird the co urse to be purs,le
\ tt a his d Now, in England--(Murmurs
i \ti se, entrance from the protectionist aide follow red in Engles •
I toll SECOND and interruption)-he thought he might say a few words
Om, adssOND READINGS. on this subect, for he b responsibility
Nfieved that a great .
. tot b't Bills read second t" d had been thrown upon i
Q
were a time an,be Government which they
14 kQe("lnuf - C.elieved that some provision
IN ,44 041 itted viz, :- ought not to bear; and he .
444,vortanY* ought to be made to meet the coming scarcity in Ire.-
,i4Vt4 Ile, Le land. There was no doubt but ...bat distress was immi-
tie el ef. a population of Ire-
t4l' Ito °t• Anne's Society. nent on a great portion of the'
c. 9 SoaraY (Alrewas Branch). land. Now, in England, the boarsts of
Iti ""West Railway Acts Amendment. the power to give relief out
ktii4
te sade ti_ . ern
aaihi. min ham Continuation and Welsh. _ho ~ guardians had
of ()ors ; such,
the boards
wever, was not the case in Ireland- There
only afford relief to .the poor by re•
kliti4l(l Preston
of guardians could
k
ere the ease was dif-
&t,' -est°ll and Manchester and Southport ceivieg them. in the. wor houses: H
then in doors or
ferent. Relief might be ad.muustered e
‘l,:,rtteittleierth Yorkshire Railway. 'out of doors. Then the evil was increased by the fact
f No °sure and Drainage.i that the workhouses were only capable of receiving one
'cits'ailw di and Midland • •of the country.
Ntettle aY Extension "and Junction Railway. I Ter cent. of the. pauper
speechpoepaulation u
pou the matter,
abero._,,... (Stowmarket, Wymondhans, IHe was not anxious to matte
ke for the emergency
sitvpitt4dnott Branch). faut ,me provision ought to a made
it?:'°ltvlllt_i Leeds Railway r • that in.'ght arise, and he ,vas,
• desirous that the
the right shoulders,
II ail% l'
and Dorch t usistlensions. Tesponsi •
'Way should be thrown up 0?1 . . .
authorities to make
fLi ps. em._.e es er at way. for it was the business of the local
The 8-
' noon que
N't th 134`.'e 1 ry. provision for the maintenance oft he, r ,
whether their
\,, 11(!aerttwieistry, and Chester Junction, and North, lion he had to ask the Government NV2B,
it in Ireland
as 14401,
_ztailway Amalgamation. measures for meeting the impending ar
se
•:2,Yl in immedi-
pliiilslboVd South Wales Direct Railway. contained any guarantee, that every indivi u
Ike' ask ." AND YORK RAILWAY. ate danger of perishing from want shoald.be ,
enabled to
1,t1,6 -4 1,,,ad a third time and passed.land ?
obtain relief from some local authority, a' In Ene _
all 'NDON AND PORTSMOUTH of the Lio-
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said the attention b a
I *ea , RAILWAY. vernment had been directed to the subject. A ota: .
1114 END also ~„,read a third time and passed. fortnight ago, in answer
to a question from the
hill 4'4D LINCOLNSHIRE JUNCTIO N Honourable ISlember for Rochdale (Mr. Sharman
'( Ak p , os re RAILWAY. Crawford) he stated then, and he said so now, that
ri 1:1,000R:rad a third time and passed. it was not the intention of the Government to propose
kr kt H DEVON RAILWtiY. of
for the relief of the poor lreland,
't op, . sInE,any other measures
1, Ladaa,„ presented a petition against . tit '3 beyond those introduced by the Government. Perhaps,
't?-111. AZ to be heard by counsel easainst th( slail, 1. however, he might claim the indulgence of the House,
N \'•,_Aas C°SINIODATION ON THE LON - before the orders of the day were disposed of,
~ 1,,,,,p, BIRMINGHAM- RAILWAY , to depart from the accustomed rule, and make some
11t,y Ple, Presented a petition from a nut n ber 01 . observations with respect to the poor of Ireland.
tt\44
AI ‘heiS e°aTelaining of the gross vas alt cri The SPEAKER said the motion before the House
jttlittit,'llls, Of 1411,-)TCI
Coal. ed to the public r f.e
the was that the dropped orders of yesterday be now read.
!r %et . Itaii and goods on the Lceed on and Sir J. GRAHAM then resumed his seat.
,k la 'last waY, and pra • be beard by
;elts Pa all prig to ELECTION OF ANOTHER MEMBER TO REPRE-
-4,414 tty. ,),-. the extension lines -proposed by SENT THE CITY OF CORK.
,I,,,kt,tYttigt.lutlhel,h4oth;,l.loll. Member gave, notice- that on ' Mr. (r'srs"ONNELLu postponed his motion on this sub-
, Silas,
.oe 14Wphich° Toonvteeituheadt
an
uiys petition beer reeefehr, led e jec untiltA ThursdayNNOYANCE JURY IN WESTMINSTER.
Ye i
Ai• ed by the London and Birmin h tin Sir DE LACY EVANS moved for the return showing
1t.44',E1/ g . the amount and particulars, as set forth in the present-
titl,:Ag 'ale - interrupted 'of the amerciaments levied by each annoyance
A, kilPetitio the Hon. Member 1 )7 meats
of Westminster during 1841, 1842, 1843,
kqr, 41 LE n must lie on the table. jury in the city
t, tatatllll/13„ AND CARLISLE RAILWAY and of ' fined, also
1844, omitting the names parties the
tql ts-ntt RP presented • • from M'trade of the party fined, specifying deficiency of weights,
011.4.1, this
railway- a petition a C.
N 4 'ot• 4W a - scales, or measures, and the amount of flue ; which was
tisi toe ,f..,f 'MR- WORKS BILL. agreed to.
sc,°4 114., Lord DUNCAN, this Bill was read r
c1k11411%11/, bo JUNI'
th,ii was CIC AND RAILWAY. .n the
it 11,...Ordered to be read a second time on .tars.
k'fibtiiikltSar
4 a'ts Allit IU a Ro
, read _ PROVEMENT BILL. sent '
ti`.!iis h, ANA ,n __second time. Ant N
'q'ill 4KBROATH RAILWAY E) :.• otter'
F a'tt Oh a read TENSION. the F
tit;‘,, •41..) A_ a second time.
I)4' f"ta Is `111) Pie Lndi
,_ „ sTERBOROUGH UNION "a it
0., ,_ PE
RAILWAY.
041,44 tr LL in 4 •
s •
i Isi,‘ toted the second reading of tl lid
ktil_ot to ..kill'. ~
tt''t to ° fro re(lled th
0 Ail *IN Ste,. ,e motion. The linen pan
.in p
11N of _r_ifir,„ _ ....iford to Peterborough, but it
q 4,4,,, 4t,reistaffY_ I.n.lles of Peterborougn, or wit Isle
I % it), 1.,_
tty foula• It was a line that had b been
Its tu:lln
tteie ',.. speculation at the time w ben
tt 544
Whatever for the line, and it vribe

Mr. HUME gave notice that oa Thursday, March 19,
he should call the attention of the House to the late in-
terference by the Governor of Malta with the religious
ceremonies of the inhabitants of that island, and that
he would move that an humble address be presented to
her Majesty, praying that copios of the orders thereon
be laid on the table. On the same day he should
move for some returns respecting the post-office in
India.

RAJAH OF SATTARA.
Mr. HUME moved for copies of all correspondence
between the Government of Bombay and the Resident
at Sattara, relating to the dismissal from office of Yes-
huunt Row Foujdar, late Dewaw of Appa Sahib, the
present Rajah of Sattara, and to the recall of Ballajee
Punt Nattoo to the Rajah's service ; and l'or a copy of a
letter from his Highne,s the deposed Rajah of Sattara to
the Right Hun. Sir H. Hardinge, Governor-General of
_Cala, dated Benares, 12th December, 1844, together
•ith all minutes and correspondence connected there-
ith (ordered 4th July, 1845), which was agreed to.
FEVER HOSPITALS IN IRELAND.
sir J. GRAHAM rose and said—lt had intentiHouseon.
on .the part of the Government, the
at yesterday, to move for leave to bring in
a Bill in order to make some provisions for the
treatment of persons infected with fever in Ireland.
In the cout.'4e of yesterday morning the Government
received fro.:11 the Lord Lieutenant, a report
from the .Commission appointed to inquire

into the distress arising from the failure
of the potato crop iu Ireland, announcing that in almost
every country where the disease in the potato had made
its appearance cases of fever had increased very much
of late. Under these circumstances, the Government
feel it necessary to take some measures to alleviate the
distress and danger arising therefrom, and I now ask
for leave to bring in a Bill for that purpose. I ask for
a Bill to grant to the Lord Lieutenant the power to esta-
blish a board of health, formed of a Commission, not ex-
ceeding five persons, with three Assistant-commissioners.
It is proposed, also, that in establishing this board of
health. power be given to the Lord Lieutenant to appoint
in each union in Ireland a medical officer, who will at-
tend to the state of the inmates ; and from the representa-
tion of that medical officer, if he thought it necessary to
make such representation, stating the appearance of
fever in such unions, that the power be given to the
boards of guardians to build temporary fever hospitals,
and in failing to build such hospitals, at once to esta-
blish some place in the union for the reception of
the infected. The sick people are to have the
support of medical assistance and medical comforts
at the expense of the union, and power shall also be
given to the board of guardians to defray all the ex-
penses from the poor- rates. The Bill is limited in its
operation to September, 1847. On the representation of
the board of guardians that the fever has ceased, such
report shall suspend the operation of the Bill. With
the permission of the House I now move that leave be
given to bring in a Bill for the alleviation of this distress
in Ireland
Mr. WAKLEY said, that in such cases as the present
he thought prevention better than the cure. The Flight
Hon. Baronet stated that he intended to place fever-
hospitals in certain towns, but he (Mr. Wakley) would
rather that a supply of food were given to the people, and
that that would be given immediatelyin no stinted nseasut e;
and he would assure the House that if anyti ing would
counteract fever or pestilence in Ireland, it would be an
immediate and wholesome supply of food. By the late
pamphlet written by Dr. Carrigan, it appeared that no
change of weather, that no difference of e imate, would
so much arrest the progress of fever as a liberal supply
of food. He considered that the supply of food would
be found much more efficient than any supply of
me.licine.
Mr. COLQUHOUN said, that when in the year 1823 a
very serious famine had broken out in Ireland, an appli-
cation had been made to Parliament, but the chief
want then was a supply of food. So it was in 1831,
when a similar famine and fever prevailed. He thought
that these evils might be fully met by a supply of food.
Mr. OSBORNE thought the Government were ob-
liged to provide employment for the people, and if the
Irish Railway Bills, which had been passed last session,
hat been sufficiently supported. he thought that this
dearth of means would not have existed. If Govern-
ment assisted the railway schemes—which in consequence
of limited funds had not yet laid a spade in the ground—
by advancing a given sum, then employment might be
found for the Irish people, thus saving them the neces-
sity of asking for eleemosynary re:ief.
Lord G. BENTINCK thought, that before asking
relief for the Irish people, the whole of the papers relative
to Ireland should have been laid upon the table.
Mr. HUME said he was in hopes that the introduc-
tion of Indian corn into Ireland would have had the
effrct of introducing a desire amongst the people for a
better description of food. But he would advise the
Government to be chary how they voted, lest their mis•
taken kindness might be abused by importers.
Mr. O'CONNELL begged to recommend that the
Government would lend as much money for the pur
poses of railroads in Ireland, as had been advanced by
way of deposit. He would not recommend them to lend
more money than had been actually advanced, and they
should lend that merely by way of loan. There was
great difficulty in getting in the calls, and if they were
made (as they must be unless some such course as he
proposed be adopted) it would greatly increase the ex-
isting want.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that the Government
had established depots in the different parts of Ireland for
the purpose of supplying good at first-cost price.
The Hon. Gentleman should be aware that in the present
session, several Acts had been passed. advancing loans of
money to the amount of 3 or 400,000/., for the purpose
of encouraging public works in Ireland ; and there was
nothing that the Government could do to remedy the
existing distress that they did not do.— (Hear, hear.)
Mr. WM. SMITH O'BRIEN said he was bound to
tell the Right Hon. Gentleman that as far as his (Mr.
O'Brien's) information ex.ended, he should say that not
a single guinea had been expended.—(" Hear, hear," from
Mr. O'Connell). He should also inform him that hun-
dreds, nay, thousands of his countrymen were famish-
ing.—(Hear, hear.) He had himself seen whole families
sitting down to potatoes, such as Hon. Gentlemen, sit-
ting there, would not give to their dogs ; and under
such circumstances it did become the duty of that House
to consider well the subject. He should say that as far
as he (Mr. O'Brien) was concerned, he would not appeal
to the charity of England. They had taken the revenues
of Ireland, and then taunted his countrymen with
being beasts.—(Cries of " No, no," and Hear hear.)
But he would not dwell much longer on that subject.—
(Hear, hear.) He, far one, was prepared to say that he
thought the people of Ireland were able to provide for
this calamity out of the national resources of Ireland, and
he believed if they compelled the proprietors of land in
Ireland to do their duty to the people—(Cheers)—that
there would be neither disturbance nor starvation.—
(Hear, hear.) He would, therefore, point out measures
of that character, and he would tell them in the first in
stance that they ought to introduce some measure to
remove the evil of absenteeism. He would not object to
the levying of an equitable property-tax. He wished
to apologise for speaking in a tone which he felt sa-
tisfied would not be acceptable to the House, but, cir-
cumstanced as they were in Ireland, they could not re-
main passive spectators of the proceedings in the English
Parliament. If the British Parliament were to legislate
justly, they would compel the landlords of Ireland to do
their duty, which would be quite sufficient to meet the
present evil condition in Ireland.
Mr. AGLIONBY feared very much that speeches of
the description which they just listened to would have
the effect of creating inflammatory feelings in the minds
of the Irish people. The House he was sure sym-
pathised with their distress, and they still more deeply
sympathised with thew under the sickness with which
they were afflicted. He hoped that something more
might be done than that which had been sanctioned by
her Majesty's Government. The Hon. Member for
Finsbury had proposed a plan which he had shadowed
forth in terms so vague and indefinite that no one under-
stood him, and he (Mr. Aglionby) thought that he did
not seem to care whether the House understood him or
not. The Hon. Member proposed apparently that
eleemosynary aid should be extended to the famishing
Irish. If that was the Hon. Member's view, he (Mr.
Aglionby) was certainly opposed to it, and was strongly
of opinion that such a grant would tend more than any-
thing else to demoralize the nature and destroy the better
principles of the Irish people. The introduction of
Indian corn and maize would to a certain extent be suf

of Ireland. lie believed that the present Government
owed their existence to the support of the press. The
press had pieced them in power, and continued to sup-
port them in power. The Irish Members would acknow-
ledge with gratitude the levying of a heavy tax on ab-
sentee landionet. The people were in a wretched state.
.and were in many places consuming the seed potatoes—
so that any future crop would he entirely prevented.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD gave the Govern-
ment and the House every credit for their kind inten-
tioos towards the people of Ireland. lie was of opinion
however that the prepesed measure would be only par-
tially beneficial. lie wished to see such a system of
taxation in Ireland as would secure to the tenant-farmer
protection for his capital and skill when expended on
the improvement of his land. If they had that stake in
the land of Ireland, the tenant would not be in the dis-
tressed condition in which he is now found. With
regard to the proposition contained in the Bill,
it did not appear to him that it would supply
a remedy for one disease alluded to, he meant
the dangers which were to be apprehended from the in-
crease of dissentry, which the use of the maize would be
almost certain to create, and which was generally caused
from the avant of gond food, and be was certain that the
Indian corn would produce at in Ireland. If the people
were accustomed to make it into bread, be was of opinion
it would not have that effect. These wore the only ob-
servations he should make, that the measure could not
give that employment necessary to guard against the
evils which now afflicted the people of Ireland. They
should have measures which would give a stimulus to the
employment or capital fur the improvement of land, and
at the same time give security to the tenant. It gave
him great disappointment that no measure had as yet
been proposed. founded on the report of the Land Com-
raissioners in Ireland, and he, in conclusion, would
earnestly impress on the Government the propriety and
ne essitf of bringing forward a measure such as was re-
commended in that report.

vV
The Earl of NI ARa El said he should not address the
House on the measure of the Right Hon. Baronet, but
lie thought it an incumbent duty to do so, as he dis-
agreed with her Majesty's Ministers on other subjects,
while he cordially agreed with them on the present.
The Hon. Gentleman the Member for Limerick told
them that he would not throw himself on the generosity
of the English Government. He (the Earl of March)
entirely repudiated the idea that the E!,glish Govern-
ment, or tie English people, were at all generous in
bringing forward the measure, as it was only their im-
perative duty to do so. But he did not like to bear
certain remarks made about the want of feeling on the
part of the English people. Did the Hon. Gentleman
forget that in the year 1822, when great dis-
tress prevailed in Ireland, that there was a sum voted of
252,0001. to relieve that distress, and he would venture
to tell him in the name of the people of England, that
if her Majesty's Government came down to the House,
and said that it was necessary that 100,0001. should be
now voted to relieve such distress, there would be no
hesitation in granting it.—(Cheers.)
Mr. SHAW said that he thought the Right Hon.
Baronet had cast some imputation on the character of
Irish landlords. He deplored as much as tiny one pos-
sibly could, the injuries arising from absenteeism, but
it Has useless to talk about a remedy until there was
first given security to life and property in Ireland.
With respect to the observations made by an llon. Mem-
ber, that it would be better to keep the oats in Ireland
for the Irish people, be could not help savingy that
he fully agreed with him in keeping the food
at home, which they were accustomed to use,
but he could not help saying, for he felt it, that there
was great sympathy shown to the people of Ireland on
the present occasion. However, he thought it most un-
f.-trtuisate and unfair that the question of Irish famine
should be mixed up with the question of the corn-laws,
for he thought it had done great injury. There had
been very great exaggeration in the statements put for-
ward respecting the failure of the potato crop, and
though he did not mean to impute to the Government
that they made use of that failure for the purpose of
carrying their measure relative to the repeal of the corn-
laws, yet he believed they had been led away by strong
reports in the first instance, and took it as a part of the
ground for introducing the measure, and found it after-
wards difficult to abandon that ground. He did not
mean to say that there was not scarcity, and even un-
usual scarcity, but at certain periods of the year there
was always scarcity and distress in Ireland : but he WAS
under the impression that that scarcity and distress was
exaggerated.—(Hear, hear.) Ile took particular
pains to inquire, and he found that in the greater
portion of Ireland there was an average crop, but there
was a considerable scarcity this year notwithstanding,
for he was aware that great suffering existed in Ire-
land ; yet be would persevere in saying that that suf-
fering was considerably exaggerated. With regard to
the particular measure before the House' he would not
make the least objection to it, although he believed con-
siderable apprehension existed on the subject of increas-
ing the present poor rate, but he would give his support
to the measure.

Lord J. RUSSELL said that the statement of the
Hon. Gentleman the Member for Kilkenny respecting
the sympathy of that House was not such as he could
agree with him in, for he (Lord J. Russell) was quite
sure that if there was one measure more than another
which would meet the wants of the Irish people, that
measure the Government and the House would adopt, if

it was calculated to remove the distress which un-nap-
pily prevailed in Ireland. He heard statements with re-
spect to the distress of the manufacturing dis-
tricts when 150,0001. was raised to remove
it—that a great deal of mischief had been done
by granting alms without a proper inquiry, and that
many persons had become paupers owing to the want
of proper consideration and care being observed in dis-
tributing the money. The distribution of relief was re-
gulated by Mr. Christie, who was the gentleman chiefly
consulted ; and he (Lord J. Russell) should be disposed
to attach great importance to that gentleman's opinion,
and should be glad to be informed what were his re-
ports as to the extent of the failure, as he thought
it would be very satisfactory. It seemed to him
that the measure of the Government was prudent and
beneficial, but still he thought they should have had the
opinion of a person so competent of judging. He quite
agreed with the Right Hon. Gentleman the First Lord
of the Treasury. that the Irish people should look more
to great public works—such as, the formation of railroads—
for the relief of Irish distress, than to any temporary aid,
for he was quite sure that great works of the
kind would alone afford proper relief. He trusted that
the board of guar lians were adopting in every parish,
measures for the relief of distress—he meant the district
committees, that they had a communication from on the
subject.

ficient to alleviate the distresses in Ireland, but that was
not sufficient. Large sums of money had, he understood,
been voted for the purpose of proceeding with public
works in Ireland, but the money had not yet been ex-
pended for that purpose. With respect to the
Bill before the House, no one he was sure could ob-
ject fur a moment to its being brow,ht in. The
relaxation, however, of the corn duties would be totally
inadequate to furnsh relief, neither would the admis-
sion of maize at a very low duty make much differ-
ence in reducing the distress in Ireland.
Sir ROBERT PEEL was very sorry to hear the Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. O'Brien) speak in such vituperative
terms of the measure which had been promoted by the
Government to alleviate as speedily as possible misfor-
tunes of the sister country. Nothing could be more
strongly marked than the eager wish of the House to
adopt every measure which could by any possibility tend
to evince their sympathy for, and desire to relieve, the
distress and disease wnich existed in Ireland—even
those Hon. Gentlemen who had thought proper to dissent
from the course which had Leen taken by her Majesty's
Government in affording relief to the Irish people. He
(Sir Robert Peel) was of opinion that the evil was not
of a temporary nature, and, therefore, the Legislature
were justified in providing something more than a tem-
porary alleviation. Upon that point the whole of the
House had been unanimous, and were, also, of opinion
that the relief should be instanly afforded. They
had given precedence to the measure which was
proposed to mitigate the evils and distresses of
Ireland before any other measure. The Hon. Gentle-
man, about two months after the measure had been
brought in, tells the House that he scorns and repudiates
the offered bounty of English generosity, and proposes
as a substitute the levying of an income-tax. It would
be impossible to levy an income-tax upon the Irish pro-
prietors. Try it for six months, and see what would be
the result. No ; he (Sir R. Peel) would say at once
that unless the Irish proprietors can be induced to come
forward and co-operate with the Government, all that
can be done will be almost entirely useless. He was
perfectly certain that if her Majesty's Government were
to propose the grant of large sums for the Irish people,
they would be granted without hesitation by the House
of Commons ; but he would advise them to take care
that this generosity do not defeat itself. The moment
that the proclamation goes forth that the Government
will provide for the poor, the people will not be so
i
ready to stir themselves n their own behalf, as they
anxious
nwsotuulrde e probablybad
f,lnadde under h
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clergy y o adifferent
most
to exert themselves on behalf of the suffering poor in
Ireland. Unless the relief was afforded with caution,
greater evils, which it would be difficult to remedy,
would ensue. Much had been said of the advantage
which the execution of public works would be to the
labouring classes. As to the railroads, it was a
great question whether it would be advantageous
to bring at once large masses of the male popula-
tion into different districts, away from their wires and
families, and those who were dependent on them. This
was a matter which required great consideration before
it could be satisfactorily entered upon. He apprehended
that if the construction of certain works were deemed
requisite and proper, there would be no difficulty in ob-
taining the necessary supply of funds. He must confess
that he was somewhat surprised that an Irish Member,
who had taken no part in the discussion on the proposed
measure, should come forward and say at the eleventh
hour that the Irish people scorned the offer of English
generosity. If the Honourable Gentleman would en-
deavour to stir up the Irish landlords in his neighbour-
hood to co-operate with the Government in their desire to
mitigate the evils of Ireland, he was sure the Honourable
Gentleman would be employing his time to much better
purpose than in giving utterance to the opionions which
he had just expressed.
Mr, J. O'CONNELL said, although the Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. O'Brien) was absent from the discus-
sion on the present measure, yet be was doing his duty
properly in another part of :,He country. He (Mr. J.
O'Connell) was, however, present, and coisld bear testi-
reony to the enthusiasm which existed in every
part of the house to provide a remedy for the distresses

He could only say that the Bill for giving increasod,
authority to tte2 Board of Works had only passed a few
days since, and three days ago authority had been given
to the Board of Works in Clare and Meath, where dis-
tress was supposed most to exist, to put the Act in oper-
ation, and if there was any delay it proceeded only front
the necessary choice to be made of some substantial
work.

Sir J. GRAHAM said that the report of the Commis-
sion was a report drawn up by the Committee of the
Government Commission.
Sir R. PEEL s tid that it would be seen in a few days
what her Majesty's Government were disposed to do,
and that they had not been led away by any strong re-
ports respecting the failure of the potato crop.
Lord HAMILTON could not conceive that the Go-
vernment would be so base as to use the awful state of
Ireland as an argument for a repeal of the
corn-laws, and he hoped he might say that he
represented a county where there were resident
landlords, who he was bound to say, acted fairly
towards their tenantry. He would have risen sooner,
when he heard a sneer about the landlords of Ireland
from the Honourable Member opposite (Mr. J. O'Con-
nell), as if be represented the Irish landlords. Why
did he not remain in that ball, where he was so fond of
abusing landlords, as no one asked him to come here ?
It would be better to make an honest application of that
fund which had been extracted out of the miseries of the
Irish people than to come there to make attacks upon
the Irish landlords.
Mr. SHAW rose to explain that he did not say that
the Government were induced to propose the repeal of
the corn laws in consequence of the state of Ireland,
hut the papers which would be produced would make no
impression on him.
Sir R. PEEL said that the papers which would be laid
on the table might have no impression on the Honourable
Gentleman, but all he could say was, that he had no
doubt but they would make a great impression on the
the House
Government ; aed thou gwhe there d
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Ireland, he had net the manliness to withdraw that
statement.—(Hear, hear )
Mr. BEIINAL very much regretted the discussion
which had taken place. They were all, he was sure,
sympathising with the people respecting the distress
which prevailed in Ireland, and he heard with much
regret the remarks which had fallen from the Hon.
Gentleman opposite (Mr. Shr), and he begged of him
to suspend his judgment. until Monday ; but he (Mr.
Bernal) did not want to suspend his judgment until
Monday, and he could not conceive why any Gentle-
man should be so malevolent and wicked as to endea-
vour to make a political question of such a measure.
He would appeal to the sober feeling of his Hon. Friend
opposite, and beg of him to throw aside all unworthy
sentiments in speaking on a question like the present,
for the Hon. Gentlemen who composed her Majesty's
Government would notabgeesnoerbaal isenagnoidrwyiicnkteodtahse,
sftoartethe
sake of party purposes: to make use of a cause which
did not exist. The Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary
of
freevpeorr t
wh
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they to stand still under such rtcherceeenisviendg,
for the Home De pbairrteml
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td,
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cir-
cumstances, and wait until employment supplied the
people with money by the erection of
; populationcas
public works and
nudsewdinere
the formation of railways? Could they show him that
any portion of the poorer classes of the Irish people
had money in their pockets to enable them to pure
chase the provision.; which were indigenous to Ireland?
If there were a dearth in any district in England, would
it be sufficient to say to the starving inhabitants, wait
until we have railroads, and then yon will have relief
administered in the shape of wages. They must not
now stick fast at economical doctrines—something must
now be done—and that dene quickly. Every one was
aware that the public works, 'or which Bills had been
granted, could not be proceeded with for months after
the passing of the grant. They must, therefore, have
recourse to extraordinary remedies where extraordinary
diseases exist. They surely were not to let tha
people rot in pestilential hospitals. The Right
Hon. Baronet said that the endeavours of the
Government would be of little avail unles
they were seconded by the persevering efforts of the
landlords. Well, then, what had they heard ? 'That
the efforts of the landlords could not be depended on
If such were the ease—and was there reason to doubt
it ?—where could the unfortunate and starving pea-
santry of Ireland look to for relief ? For himself he
would say, he would give his most earnest support to
any measure which would have for its object the pre-
sent salvation of Ireland.—(hear, hear.)
The CIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob-
served that although he did not wish:to detain the House,
he would beg to be allowed to correct the impression
that there had been on unnecessary delay on the part of
the Government in giving operation to those Bills which
std already received the sanction of the Government.

Mr. POULETT SCitOPE observed that it anything
would justify an Irish or an English Member for
tekinie up the question the repeal of the Union. It
was 'the fact of his s.ieing, year after year, that the
Irish people were nut treated as the English by the Le-
gislature of the country. What was the case of the
people of England? They had a first claim upon the
produce of the land. In England, as long as a man ex-
isted, he could not be allowed to starve ; before the
landed proprietor could take a penny of his rent, the
peer man should be saved from starving. In Ireland
such was not the case, and equal justice had not been
done. Now, with regard to the proposition of the Hon.
Member for Limerick, that the land of Ireland should
he made responsible for the wants of the people, and
that they should not come to seek eleernesyeary aid
from England, he could by ne- means assent. to it. Vv hat
he would roc:elms-lend would be the adaptivion of the
poor-law system to the proper organisation of
in-door and out-door relief ; for surely they
were not to wait until a man was prostrate
from fever before they would grant bins relief.
If fever were the produce of t amine, their first endea-
vour should be to remeve tine cause. If relief were
to be afforded, it ought to be so before the
unhappy individual reached that state of star-
sat on, whin famine wes its necessary con-
comitant. It was u-ged that there might be danger
of impostere seeking that compassion and supply which
they did not require. They would diseover an impostor
by giving him a hard task of labour—but he would be-
seech them net to refuse food which was absolutely ne-
cessary to insintein health. An absentee-tax had been
proposed. Now he considered that the best tax that
could be applied would be one levied on the principle of
the poor-rate, inasmuch as it would he one on the rental
of Ireland. He was one of those that considered that
property had its rights as well as duties—end the first
duty of landed proprietors was, not to permit their
tenants to starve.—(clear, hear.) Ile did not wish to
impeach the landlords of Ireland, but he defied the
House to deny that there were many individual instances
where landlords in Ireland did not do their duty. How
were they to distinguish between them ? In England
they imposed the duty by law, because the Legislature
well knew that there would be many instances where
men would not do their duty unless compelled to do so.
In Ireland the poor rate did not yield more than two-
pence in the pound, whilst in England it yielded from
three to four shillings, so the Irish proprietors could not
complain of being overcharged, if the proposed tax were
carried out. As there would be many other opportuni-
ties of discussing the question, he would not further de-
tain the House, but he could not avoid making these
few observations, as he held very strong opinions upon
the subject.
Mr. BANKES said that it appeared to him that there
was now forced upon the attention of the House a ques-
tion, which must have occurred to the mind of every
gentleman, that when the Government were in posses.'
sion of all these important facts, it was their bounden
duty to have called together the Parliament early in the
month of November. If such a course had been adopted,
this difficulty could not have occurred, and long before
the present time the full effects of these beneficial mea-
sures would have been in operation; and, instead of
diminishing the fever, they might have had reason to
hope of preventing it altogether. He was at a loss to
know what answer the Government could give to this
question? They acknowledged that they were
in possession of that information which pro-
duced uneasiness and disquiet in their minds ;
and surely the natural means to have allayed it
was to have called together the Parliament at the
earliest possible period, and thus the means to relieve
the existing distress would by this time,
be circulated through the country. He would say,
having heard the speech of the Recorder for Dublin,
that the comments on it had been must unfair. His
words were " that having been last week in Ireland he
felt it a relief to his mind to state that he thought the
extreme accounts of distress had been exaggerated, but
that he did find the distres to be very great." Those were
the sentiments of his Right Hon. Friend. and he wished
to know, did he betray any want of feeling in saying
" than he it felt a relief to his mind to be able to state the
truth?" With respect to the speech of. the Hon. Member
for Finsbury, it had also been much misrepre-
sented. Ile by no means said that his suggestion
would be a permanent remedy—he only offered it as tem-
porary. He said, you intend to give them physic, try
what food will do.
Sir VALENTINE BLAKE concurred in the mea-
sure brought forward by the Right Hon. Baronet. In
addition to the measures in contemplation for the relief
of the destitution of Ireland, he suggested the propriety
of purchasing estates, and apportioning them out in
small lots among the people at a reasonable rental. If
this were adopted, he considered that the greatest ad-
vantages would accrue, and the recurrence of misery at
present so prevalent would be entirely prevented.
Mr. Smrra O'BRIEN rose to explain. Ha would
not make any strictures on the speech for the llon.
Member for Tyrone. He wished merely that what he
said would be distinctly understood. His feelings, in
common with those of his countrymen, were greatly
exasperated with the sums of money which had been
grantei for the relief of the poor of Ireland ? Now
what was the whole amount of this relief ? It just
amounted to 100,000/. All the rest was loans. The
sum which was annually drawn out of the country by
absentees amounted to four or five millions annually,
and the quantity of cattle, pigs, bacon, &c., which was
every year exported for the purpose of enabling tenants
to make up this sum was incredible. If they
would allow these four or five millions to be
spent in Ireland, he would allow them to
take back the grant of 100,0001. If Parlia-
ment had met in November last, and produced mea-
sures for the relief of the destitution in Ireland, or if
when they had met they had taken the case into their
serious consideration, instead of hurrying through a
coercion Bill, they would not be now under the necessity
of discussing such a measure as the present.
Mr. MILES said, that if 100,000/. was not sufficient
to meet the wants of Ireland, he believed that a British
House of Commons was ready to come forward with a
grant of ten times that amount. What he complained
of, however, was, that while they were then discussing
measures for their relief, immense numbers were perish-
ing. The people wanted employment; they wanted not
este remedy, but many remedies; and, as the Hon. Member
for Weymouth stated, every means that it was possible
to adopt, every channel by which relief could be com-
municated, should be made use of, for the purpose of
averting the impending misery. He did not, how-
ever place entire reliance upon the exertions
of Government. A great deal depended upon
local boards. The assistance of Irish gentlemen, Irish
clergymen and priests, would also be required to aid the
exertions of the Government, and to stay the approach-
ing famine. As they had returns on the table, he would
like to know it' the return he moved for early in the ses-
sion was among them? Ile had moved for a return of the
highest price of potatoes. If they had a return of this
kind for the last seven years, it would be an admirable
adjunct to these papers. The people of Ireland it had
been said were starving in the midst of plenty. They
were exporting that which they should h ave for their
own sustenance. Now, if they had before theta the
report to which he alluded, it would be an excellen.
barometer by which they could gauge the condition of
the people of Ireland, as there could be:no better crite-
rion to judge of its extent than these high prices would
give. Another return which he would like to have, was
the capacity of the poor houses of Ireland to c swain
inmates, and the number of paupers who were at pre
sent receiving relief in them. They were now about
to erect hospitals, and he thought it would be as well if
they knew the numbers in the union houses, as it would
enable them to hes, clearer views on the subject at pre-
sent under discussion. Ile thought it his duty to make
these few remarks, and he hoped the Right Hon. Baronet
would give the returns which he required.
Sir J. GRAHAM, who was scarcely audible, was
understood to say that the first return to which
the lion. Gentleman referred—in referrence to the price
of potatoes—was to be found among those on the
table. It (lid net extend over a period of 7 years, but it
was comprehensive enough to enable them to see that
potatoes had attainel a very great price ; and with re-
spect to those which were not affected with the decay,
that if they were kept for another month, they would
be utterly destroyed. As to the latter return, in refer-
ence to the number of inmates, which the poor-houses
' were calculated to contain, and the number of persons
who were at present actually receiving relief in
them, he had no objecion to produce it. With
reference, however, to the present question, they would
be quite useless. The Hon. Gentleman did not appear
to understand the object which the present Bill had in
view, or he would not think it necessary to move for re-
turns which had no immediate connexion with it.
Mr. FITZGERALD was happy to see that her Ma-
jesty's Government were introducing such measures as
the present. He thought, however, that there had bees
too great a delay in bringing them forward. Parliament
ought to have met in October last, and to have adopted
those measures which were necessary to meet the
impending evils. It was then pretty well ascertained
that the crops iu Ireland had failed, and nothing had
been as yet done to alleviate the distresses under which
the people in that country were suffering, and it was
now the month of March. No language could depict
the distress which at present prevailed, and he was
greatly afraid that they had seen or beard but a small
portion of it. There were no less than 4,000 people in
state of destitution in his own neighbourhood. He
awas glad that the present measure was proposed, and he
would give it his cordial support.
Mr. VILLIERS was surprised at some of the opinions
of the Hon. Member for Somerset. That Hon. Gentle-
man appeared to think nothing so disastrous as the im-
portation into this country of grain, vegetables, cattle,
&c., from Ireland. Let him, however, suggest a mode
to that Hcn. Member by which this evil would be got
rid of. Lot them get these articles elsewhere, and the
apprehension which he entertained of the pernicious
effects which their importation caused would be entirely
removed. There was another point of the Hon. Mem-
ber's to which he would briefly allude. By way of carry-
' ing out his benevolent intentions towards Ireland, he
would restrict the manufactures and commerce of this
country. He (Mr. Villiers) in refutation of this opinion,
would just ask any man to look at Lancashire and Ire-
land. Let him reflect that there were nut less than
500,000 or 600,000 of the Irish people, who were getting
employment by the manufactnres of thiscountry. Having
disposed of these two theories, and the Hon. Member for
Somerset, he would now come to the sentiments expressed
by the lion. Member for Limerick, and the thin. Member
forStroud. The Hon. Member for Stroud said, that he did
not wonder that the gentlemen of Ireland came forward
and demanded a repeal of the union.