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THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EV ENING, AUGUST 18, 1848.

There were three questions he wished to ask his Noble
Friead at the head of the Government:—First, whether
any correspondence took place with the Pope with
regard to the establishment of Roman. Catholic Arch-
bishoprics and Bishoprics in England? Secondly, if any
letter were written by Lord Clarendon to Earl Grey, in
consequence of which the Noble Earl wrote a circular,
giving titles to Roman Catholic Bishops which the law
never contemplated? And thirdly, Whether the letter
addressed to Archbishop Murray was a❑ official docu-
ment, and intended, through him, to communicate di.
rectly with the Pope? He should not trouble the House
with any further observations, but, for different reasons
than those stated by the Hon. and Learned Member for

Youghal, he should oppose the Bill.
Mr. MOORE observed that, in his mind, the question
was a very simple one. The Hon. Baronet who last ad-
dressed the House had no objection whatever that rela-
tions should be had with Rome, as now—in an indirect
private manner, but the moment it was done openly and
avowedly, as bdcame the English ration, then he came
forward with-every opposition iu his power. He thought
such a course unworthy of this country, and should,

therefore, support the Bill.
Lord J. RUSSELL—The Hon. Gentleman who has
just sat down has in a few words completely answered
the speech of my Hon. Friend.—(Hear, hear.) Accord•
ing to the law of this country, the Queen cannot enter
into communion with Rome. My Hon. Friend says it
is quite clear from that that there can be no diplomatic
relations with Rome—such is the meaning of the law.
My Noble Friend stated, though with some hesitation,
that there is some doubt with respect to the meaning of
that statute, but that the more probable meaning of it is
that there cannot be a religious communion of the state
of England with the Church of Rome. But, however,
it is obvious that while that was the danger to be guarded
against, there is sufficient ambiguity in the wording of
our law to make it fitting, that no diplomatic relations
should be formally established with Rome by any cre-
dentials authorised by the Queen unless with the con-
sent of Parliament. I did not think as long as any
doubt remeined—and persons of the highest authority
whom we mild consult did think there was doubt—
that it would be right for the Executive to take any
steps on this subject without the formal assent of Par-
liament. It is for that reason, therefore, that we pro-
posed a Bill on the subject. My Hon. Friend says this
is the first step towards a reconciliation with Rome.
Now those two words "communion" and " reconcilia-
tion" aro liable to a like interpretation.—(Hear, hear.)
The word communion does, as I believe, mean that sort
of relation which was established by Queen Mary with
Rome after the reign of Edward Vl.—(Hear, hear)—
that sort of relation which, I believe, James IL intended
ultimately to establish with Rome, and the word recon-
ciliation is one of similar import, meaning likewise the
establishment of that religious relation with the Church
of Rome.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman who
has just spoken said, very truly, the Hon. Baronet the
Member for the University of Oxford has no objections
to these relations being established in fact. He has no
objection to an &Wad:6 being sent from Florence to con-
duct our political relations with Rome, but lie cannot bear
it when established by Parliament and authorised by the
Queen's name at the head of the credentials. It is,
therefore, to the appearance and nut to the fact that he
objects. But with respect to the policy of making this
alteration—l put it upon the ground, as my Noble
Friend said—that, as we have matters to transact with
the Court of Rome and the Sovereign of the Roman
States, it is far better that those relations should be put
upon an intelligible footing, and that a mission should
be sent to Rome as the avowed representative of the
Queen of England, than to maintain these underhand
and unavowed, though, at the same time, perfectly well-
known relations which have for many years existed.
Allusion has been made to the Chevalier Bunsen, and
some declaration of his with respect to the Court of
Rome. The Chevalier Bunsen was himself the repre-
sentative of a Protestant state at the Court of Rome—

(Hear, hear)—and is supposed to have drawn up, within
1831 or 1832, certain proposals with respect to the
government of the Roman States, and the reform of
certain temporal abuses which existed in those states.
He (a Protestant Minister) drew up those regulations,
and amongst the persons who were called on to assent
to them was the person who represented England, and
who was well known to have his authority from Eng-
land, whose support and assistance were required, but
who yet, in consequence of the existence of an ambi-
guous law, was unable to confess himself the repre-
sentative of England on that occasion. I ask which
was the better position? There was the Protestant
Minister of a Protestant country openly avowing his
character, and asking the assent of France and Austria
to his proposals, and the Minister of England asked to
give his opinion, but afraid and unable to avow himself.
I really cannot see what my Hon. Friend gains by this
hide-and-seek game of having a Minister who acts as a
Minister, but cannot represent that character. My Hon.
Friend has stated that he has no objection to any inter-
course with the Sovereign of Rome, whether he be dic-
tator or consul. I was rather alarmed to hear my Hon.
Friend make that declaration (Hear, hear, and
laughter)—because he cannot expect to see the ancient
dictators or consuls of Rome arise again; and if he
means a Government such as that of Rienzi, it rather
looks as though my Hon. Friend were engaged in some
Carbonaro conspiracy, hoping to overturn the authority
of the Pope, and set up some tribune of the people in his
place.—(Great laughter.) But my Hon. Friend thinks
this Bill will give some advantage to the Roman Catholic
Church, and that it appears as if we were altering the
Protestant character of the constitution, and that it is,

therefore, not advisable to enter into these relations. I
own I think it far better with respect to all these mattersthat
we should not stand on the adventitious and artificial aid
which we derive from saying, "We will have no inter-
course with Rome." I think that, if the matter be in it-
self right, it is far better that we should do away with
the sort of fiction that we cannot hold any diplomatic
relations with Rome, and let the Roman Catholics derive
any benefit they can from the change. Ido not think
that Protestanism rests on so frail a foundation, and I
should be much more afraid of the Roman Catholic reli-

gion if I thought that those foolish and obsolete restric-
tions were really the securities upon which Protestant-
ism relies.—(Cheers.) For my own part I am not dis-
posed to think that it would be for the advantage of this
country, or that it would be satisfactory to the Roman
Catholics themselves, that we should have any agree-
ment by which their religious arrangements should be
regulated. It is quite obvious that you cannot by any
means or authority whatever prevent the Pope from
communicating with this country, by some means or
other. You may try to prevent that communication
being open, though it would be very foolish and absurd
if you were to adopt means with vigour and energy for
that purpose. If it were not open it would be secret—
(Hear, hear)—and so long as there are Roman
Catholics—and so long as they acknowledge the
Pope as the head of their Church—you cannot
prevent his having spiritual influence with
those who belong to that communion.—(llear, hear.)
Uon the whole, I think the House will sec in this Bill
the only mode of making the law agrefe with the ethfatct—
anda thatw.c
fact—
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may make it advisable to have diplomatic. intercourse.
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that they will give it the sanction of their approval. It
has been already, under other circumstances, agreed to
by the house of Lords. It was agreed to some months
ago; and since that time certain events have occurred.
—(hear, hear.) Undoubtedly these events have con-
tributed in a certain degree to shake the temporal au-
thority of the Pope; but I do trust that this House will
not consider, because that temporal authority has been
weakened, that now is the opportunity of saying to the
Pope, " We should have been glad to have diplomatic
relations with you when you were strong, but now, when
you are weak, we are ready to throw off such relations,
and we decline to have any intercourse with you." For
these reasons I hope the House will agree to the second
reading of the Bill.—(Cheers.)
Mr. LAW opposed the Bill. He objected to the
wording of the preamble of the Bill, and contended that
there was no doubt in respect to the nature of the sove-
reignty: of Rome. It was a mere quibble to make the
Bill palatable to the people of this country.
Mr. 11. DRUMMOND would support tho Bill, and
any measure which went the length of producing a good
understanding between Christian sects all over the
world. Some Gentlemen seemed to be frightened out
of their wits that a bull should be sent from Rome to
Ireland.—(Hear.) Now, what was the history of the
whole affair ? 'Why, that one old gentleman in Rome
wrote a letter to another old gentleman in Ireland—(A
laugh)—which he put into the post-office, and which
came in proper time to hand. The Hon. Gentleman
then said that it was most absurd to object to an ecclesi-
astic being made an ambassador from Rome to this
country. Then, again, why should they object to the
Roman Catholics having bishops and archbishops ?
This was a matter of arrangement on the part of the
Roman Catholics with which they had nothing to do.
What would they have to do with the Church of Scot-
land if it established another presbytery in London ?
He supported this Bill because it enabled the Govern-
ment to do that openly which for years they had done
secretly.—(Hear.)
Mr. NAPIER said his objection to this Bill was, that
it was intended to be used as a means of operating—
through the Pope of Rome—on the Catholic clergy in
these countries. If they could not govern Ireland through
the medium of the English constitution, they ought not
to hold Ireland one moment longer. In sending a per-
son to Rome as an Ambassador, they would be recog-
nizing the supremacy of the Pope, and that would be
directly against the Act of Settlement; but the laws of
this country gave the Roman Catholics the same privi-
leges as Protestants; they were eligible for all situations
except the monarchy; and what reason, then, had they
to complain? The supremacy of the Pope being thus
repudiated by the Act of Settlement, England was bound
to preserve that denunciation, for while the Protes-
tantism of England remained the constitution guaranteed
by that Act of Settlement would exist, giving equal
laws and equal rights, and liberty to all.—(hear.)
What was the object of the present measure? He found
from the instructions given to Lord Minto, that he was,
when at Rome, to endeavovr to get the Pope to consent
to the expulsion of the Jesuits from Switzerland. Now,
that was one of the evils to which diplomatic relations
with Rome would give rise, for it would cause a con-
tinual interference with the internal affairs of other Ca-
tholic countries through the Pope on the intercession of
this country. That, therefore, would give rise to much
inconvenience, but the fact was, the real object of the
measure was to govern Ireland through the Court of
Rome,and
.
that was as much as an admission on the
part oi. Government that they could not govern Ireland
according to the constitution of this country. The Hun.
Gentleman then entered into a comparison between the
apnodrti:izsioro(fielrh ewiinhabitants
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loyalty' and order which characterised the Protestant
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Ca-
tholic portion of it, and argued from that that it would

be derogatory to the principles of justice to sacrifice
the Protestantism, of the country at the shrine of Ca-
tholicism.
Mr. ROUNDELL PALMER said they would be de-
ceiving themselves and the country if they were to deal
with this question other than as one of great import-
ance, and deserving more consideration then was likely
to be given it. He conceived the measure was not of
that pressing importance that it slieuld be pressed
through at this period of the session, and in so thin a
House. The Noble Lord (Lord Palmer ,ton) had' said
that they had already had relations with the Roman
States, and no doubt such was the case. Their having
them still was perhaps most necessary, and at a proper
time he would be ready to consider any measure which
would place those relations on a proper footing. But
when for that purpose such a Bill as the present,
which would place this country in a relation to
Rome which it was not with any other country in
the worl I, was a course he must object to, as he
considered the most ruinous consequences would re
suit from it. No doubt it was said the measure
only had reference to temporal diplomatic purposes,•
that in a religious point it would not operate, and
were that the case he would not oppose it ; but ho be-
lieved the whole importance of the measure lay in the
fact that it could be made applicable to relations of a
different kind, and on that account he opposed it. The
House, according to all appearances, would soon have
to deal with the establishment of the Roman Catholic
Church in Ireland, and ho could not but connect the
present measure with that question, as he bad no doubt
the one was intended as an auxiliary to the other.
Mr. FAGAN, as a Roman Catholic, was indifferent
whether diplomatic relations were established with the
Court of Rome or not, but ho could not vote for the
present measure, in consequence of the insult cast upon
the Pope in the second clause of it.—(Cries of " Divide,
divide").
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL would vote for the measure,
as in Committee it was intended to strike out that clause.
It was of importance that such relations as contem-
plated by the measure should be established with the
Court of R as whatever was done with that Court
ought to be done speedily. There was much more room
for intrigue now than there would be were regular rela-
tions established, for then all transactions between the
two Courts must be made known to the country.
Mr. GLADSTONE could not give a silent vote on the
subject, but would make his remarks briefly. He felt
compelled to give a sort of assent to the principle of the
Bill, but it was unfortunate that they were called on to
debate the question at so late a period of the session. It
was also unfortunate that they should be called on to de-
bate the question when matters were in such a state in
Italy. Yet he must say that he could not do any act
which would blink the principle of the Bill. For more
than a hundred years after the Reformation the Pope was
either in arms against this country, or was occupied in
endeavouring to regain possession of it, and although, as
a matter of course, there could be no diplomatic relations
then with his Court, that was no reason why there should
not be so now. He thought the manner in which com-
munications were made with the Court of Rome at pre-
sent was unworthy of the ingenuousness of the English
character. The fact that these communications were
held with the Court of Rome suggested the absolute
necessity that these communications should be put upon
a different basis. Was it not necessary when they con-
sidered that the Bishops of the Church of Rome were
subordinate to the Pope, and therefore they would
not bind themselves to conditions which might be
overruled by the Pope ; so that if they were to have any
communication with the Roman Catholic ecclesiastics,
they could only do so effectually through the head of
their Church ; and that consideration prompted the
absolute necessity for this Bill, and he should not be de-
barred by any misapprehension of his views to vote in
favour of it.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said he had a great objection to
the Bill. He regretted that Lord Clarendon had taken
the course he had, and having done so, he wished he had
hid his shame ; it had one effect, it opened their eyes.
He should vote against the Bill.
Lord ARUNDEL and SURREY said he should vote
for the second reading of the Bill, with the view of omit-
ting the second clause in Committee, and that his course
after that would be influenced by the decision come to
upon that amendment.
Mr. GOULBURN said, considering the lateness of
the session, and the contradictory arguments by which
the Bill was supported, he should vote against the second
reading.
Sir H. VERNER said his Hon. Friend had a right
to take credit for the loyalty of the Protestants of
Ireland. He referred to the province with which he was
connected, and there were but two regiments, which was
a proof of their loyalty; and the Member for Kerry was
wrong in taunting him for the praise he had bestowed
upon them.
Mr. M. O'CONNELL explained, that he only com-
plained that the Learned Gentleman appeared to give
them credit for exclusive loyalty.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the motion 125
Against it 46
Majority for the second reading —79
In reply to a question from Mr. LAW,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL stated that the Bill would be
committed on Wednesday next.
The Bill was then read a second time.
The Parochial Debts and Audit Bill was read a third
time, the report brought up, and clauses added to the
Bill.
The Committee on the Fees (Court of Chancery) Bill
was postponed to Monday next.
On the order of the day for the committal of the Nui-
sances and Contagious Diseases Bill being read,
Lord MORPETH proposed that the Bill be committed
pro forma, for the purpose of adding certain amendments.
After a short discussion, the motion was agreed to,
and the amendments were ordered to be added to the
Bill.

The House then went into Committee on the Slave
Trade Bill.
The clauses were agreed to.
The Ecclesiastical Suits Commissioners (Ireland) Bill
also:went through Committee.
The Poor Removal Bill (No. 2) was read a third time
and passed, alter some discussion.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of
and the House adjourned at Half-past One o'clock.

THE APPREHENDED CHARTISTS.
A number of the Chartists, arrested on Wednesday
night, wero in custody at the Bow-street police-station
all yesterday, and during the afternoon several more
were brought from different places to the same station.
At about half-past three o'clock a gentleman, from the
office of the Treasury Solicitor, made an application to
Mr. Hall, the Chief Magistrate, stating, that as the
cases were of an important kind, and as there was a
yimtthe.goodie;:tithinereicr.dgd
Her
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contemplated
baedaaetloypel given,ludpeblwwitceaitrsthei
walkingieot
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examinationsou l be c convenient
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et
postponed until to-morrow (this day).
From the information received by the Government
nowt
he entertainediye
determined
procession
ta ot
assassinate the police who were on duty, in the event of
their interference, but also to fire many of the public
buildings, and to commit the most awful depredations.
Had it not been for the timely information forwarded
to head-quarters, there seems every probability
that the fellows would have carried their intentions
into effect. It appears that when a room was hired
at the Peacock, Francis-street, Westminster-road, the
parties told the landlady that they wanted the room
merely to hold a trades meeting. By some means which
at present has not been ascertained, the owner of the
house ascertained that the parties who had hired the
place were Chartists, and that they intended to come
armed. The moment they came she told them that she
could not allow the meeting to take place in her house.
Some of the parties who had then assembled cried out to
their companions, " Oh, we are piped, we had better go
home." Others, more daring than the rest, said,
if we have failed here, come along with us; we will take
you to a place with a long. passage,
whre
tweeactatanetouune7
out upon the police, should they
attempt
Some
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men, and suc-
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All sorts of ammunition have been foun dby o-
pcereedseeedtitnimae in ppreehaesntdeidnyg. the whole of the prisoners at the
lice at the residences of the parties app the p,
and
gunpowder has actually been found secreted in the
churchyards of the metropolis, evidently showing what
wero the fiendish objects of the villains had they not been
frustrated.
When Mr. Rutt went to apprehend a man in Blue
Anchor-yard, the moment he and Mr. Russell entered
the place a dog was set at them, which made an attack
upon Mr. Superintendent Butt; that officer, not to be
daunted, rushed up the stairs, and, in spite of all resist-
ance, he succeeded in apprehending his man.
Mr. Superintendent Grimwood (E), Pearce (F),
Beresford (C), Rutt (L), and Evans (M division), were
in reserve until a late hour last night ready to start off
to any part of the metropolis, in the event of their ser-
vices being required. The military were also ready to
act, in fact every precaution bad been taken by the
authorities, quite sufficient to prevent any riot had such
been attempted.
With respect to Mr. Smith, the landlord of the Angel,
in Webber-street, where the parties were apprehended
on Wednesday night, the Commissioners of Police are
• perfectly satisfied that he had no knowledge of the fel-
- lows being present. They went in without saying a
word to any person connected with the establishment,
f and it was not until the police entered the building
• that Mr. Smith knew anything of the parties being
; present.

THE LONDON SEASON.—Town is thinning fast,
and the season at the west may
be said to have com-
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se
un
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es
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forpke et
hp
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ps
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bnearly ailth
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efoarter the'eti
wi
tsht -
novelties. The Act for the Security of Designs must re-
ceive the credit of this, without which the ingenious
would have been left at the mercy of the unprincipled.
Perhaps, few of such inventions have obtained more no-
toriety than the Syrian Paletot of Swain and Co., of
379, oxford-street ; price 405.; which after being sought
by the aristocratic for town wear, is now as readily
made purchase of for the sea side promenade or country
lounge.—Morning Post, July 25, 1848.
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cure any disease of the liver or, stomach.—Sold (also Relloway's
Ointment) at Professor Holloway s Establishment, 244, Strand, sad
by ‘ll medicine vendors throughout the civilised world.

`PARLIAMEN TAItY DIVIaIO;•- NS.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House off-4 nnommi.,
, TIIU4SDAY, ACE. 17.
:D.K.U.bY WRIT.
Motion made,-and'Qmestion put, " That Mr. S peaker do
issue tii.a Warrant to the Clerk of the Crown to ake out a
New Writ fur electing of two Burgesses to serve it i this pre-
sent Parliament for the Borough of Derlir, in the room of
the Right Ilonourable Edward Stratt and the H onourable
Edward Frederick Leveson Gower, whose. Electio a has been
determined to be void.' Debate arising; Motio.4-;made, and
Question put, " That the Debate be now adjou me d." The
House divided :

MAJORITY—AYES, 85.
Abdy, T. N. Hay, Lord J. Russell, Lor d John
Armstrong, Sir A. Ilayter, W. G. Rutherft rd. A.
Arundel, Earl of Headlam,:T. E. Salwey, Co- tonel
Barnard, E. G. Hill, Lard Marcus Scholefi ald,t William
Bellew; R. M. Howard, P. H. Scrope, G. :A'.
Berkeley, Captain Jervis, Sir John Shell, R. kL.
Berkeley, Craven Kershaw,- James Smith, J On A.
Bernal, Ralph Lewis, George C. Somervilli p, ',Sir W.
Birch, Sir Thomas Lushington, C. Stuart, L, gd D.
Bowring, Dr. Maher, N. Talfourd, Sergeant
Boyle, Colonel Mangles, R. D. Tenison, I. K.
Bright, John Martin, J. Thicknes ir, Ralph
Brown, W. Martin,:,C. N. Thompso h, Colonel
Campbell, W. F. Matheson, Colonel Thornely, , T.
Chohneley, Sir M. Maule, Fox Townshe ps. Captain
Cobden, Richard Milner, W. M. Tufnell, l leery
Duncan, George Moffatt, George Turner, i a mund
Dundas, Admiral Moore, George H. Villiers, I %axles
Ebrington, Lord Morris, David Wall, C. B.
Elliot, John E. Norreys, Lord Ward, H. . G.
Ferguson, Sir R. O'Brien, T. Watkins, `Colonel
Forster, Mathew Osborne, Ralph Willcox, : arodie
Fortescue, J. W. Paget, Lord A. Wilson, J, tines
Fox, W. J. Paget, Lord Clarence Wilson, D. Cat thew
Gladstone, W. E. Parker, John Wrightson,„, W. B.
Greene, John Pearson, Charles
Grey, Ralph W. Power, Dr. TETS.E2 3.
Grosvenor, Lord R. Raphael, Alexander Hanle...Jed**,
Grosvenor, Earl Rich, Henry Wood, W. 1.4„
Hawes, Benj. RomillY, Sir John

Anstey, Thomas C.
Bankes, G.
Bentinek, Lord G.
Blacistone, W. S.
Briseo; M.
Burrell, Sir C.
Cabbell, B. B.
Christy, Samuel
Cocks, Thomas S.
Coles, Henry B.
Dick, Quintin
Dodd, George
Fox, S. L.

MINORITY-NOES, 43.

Halford, Sir H. Napier, Josel 11
Hamilton, G. A. O'Connor, Fe: trgus
Harris, Hon. Capt. Palmer, Roun dell
Heneage, G. H. Finney, W. .
Henley, J. W, Plowden, W. R.
Hildyard, T. B. Sibthorp, Colonel
Ilindley Charles Tollemache, F.J.
Hobhouse, T. B. Urquhart, David
Hotham, Lord Verner, Sir W.
Inglis, Sir R. Vivian, J. E.
Jollifie, Sir W. H, Vyvyan, Sir R.
Jones, Captain Vyse, IL ;
Law, C. E.

Goring, Charles Lygon, General TELLERS '•
Goulburn, Henry Mandeville, Viscount Newdegate, N.
Grogan, Edward Mullings, J. R. Spooner, 11,

DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH THE COURT OF
ROME BILL.

Order for Second Reading read; Motion made, and Ques-
tion proposed, " That the Bill be now read a second tune :"
Amendment proposed, to leave out the word " now," and at
the end of the Question to add the words "upon this day three
months :"—Question put, " That the word ' now' stand part
of the Question." The House divided :
. MAJORITY—AYES, 125.
Abdy, Thomas N. Gladstone, W. E. Parker, John
Acland, Sir T. Greene, John Pechell, Captain
Adair, Hugh E. Grenfell, Charles W. Perfect, Robert
Adair, R. Shafto Grey, Sir G. Pinney, William
Anson, Colonel (I, ey, R. W. Power, Dr.
Armstrang, Sir A. Grosvenor, Lord R. Pusey, P.
Arundel, Earl of Grosvenor, Earl Raphael, Alexander
Bagshaw, John Harcourt, G. Reynolds, John
Barnard, E. G. Hawes, It. Rich, Henry
Bellew, R. M. Hay ter, W. G. Romilly, Sir John
Berkeley, Captain Headlam, Thomas Russell, Lord J.
Berkeley. Craven llobhouse, Sir John Rutherfurd, A.
Bernal, Ralph Hobhouse, T. B. Salwey, Colonel
Birch, Sir Thomas Howard, P. H. Seholefleld, W.
131aell, S. W. Howard, Sir R. Seymour, Lord
Bowring, Dr. Jervis, Sir John Shell, R. L.
Boyle, Colonel Keogh, William Shelburne, Earl of
Bright, John Lascelles, W. S. Sheridan, R. B.
Brotherton, J. Leonard, T. 11. Simeon, John
Brown, W. Lewis, G. C. Sniith, J. A.
Buller, Charles Locke, Joseph Somerville, Sir W.
Bunbury, E. 11. Lushington, Charles Stuart, Lord D.
Carew, W. I'. 141'Gregor, John Taltourd, Sergeant
Childers, J. W. Maher, N. Tenison, E. K.
Clay, James Martin, John Thicknesse, It. A.
Clements, Charles Martin, C. \P. Thompson, Colonel
Colebrooke, Sir T. Matheson, Colonel Thornely, Thomas
Courtenay, Lord Maule, Fox Tollernache, F. J.
Cowper, W. F. /deigned, Viscount Townsheud, Captain
Craig, W. G. Milner, W. M. Turner, E.
Denison, W.'J. Monsell, William Villiers, Charles
Divett, Edward - We're, G.AII. Watkins, Colonel
Dodd, George] Morpeth, Viscount Willcox, Brodie
Douro, Marquis of Norreys, Lord Williams, John
Drummond, Henry Norreys, Sir D. Wilson, James
Dundas, Admiral - O'Brien, Timothy Wilson, Matthew
Dunne, F. P. O'Connell, M. J. Wodehouse, Edmund
Ebrington, Vl.scOtint Ogle, S. C. Wood, Sir Charles
Elliot, J. E. Osborne, Ralph Wood, W. P.
Ferguson, Sir R. Owen, Sir J.
Foley, John 11. Paget, Lord A. TELLERS.
Forster, Matthew Paget, Lord C. Hill, Lord M.
Fox, W. J. Palmerston, Viscount Tufnell, Henry

MINORITY—NOES, 46.
Archdall, Captain Fox, S. L. Napier, Joseph
Bankes, George Frewen, C. H. Newdegate, C. N.
Blackstone, W. Gooch, E. S. Palmer, Roundel).
Blandford, Marquis Goring, C. Pearson, Charles
Broadley, Henry Goulburn, Henry Plowden, W. H.
Bruen, Colonel Grogan, E. Robinson, G. R.
Burrell, Sir.C. Gwyn, Howd Spooner, Richard
Cabbell, B. B. Hamilton, G. A. Tollemache, John
Chaplin, W. J. Henley, J. W. Turner, G. J.
Chichester, Lord J. Hildystrd, T.,8. T. Verner, Sir W.
Christy, Samuel Hood, Sir A. Vyse, R. H. H. H.
Coles, H. B. Ilotham, Lord Wyld, James
Devereux, J. T. Hudson, G.
Dick, Quintin Inglis, Sir.R.
Duncan, George Jolliffe, Sir W G.
flu Pre, C G. Law, C. E.
Fagan, William Mulllngs, J. R.

TELLERS.
Urquhart, David
Anstey, T. C.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
COURT OF BANKRUPTCY, Aug. 17.

(Before Mr. Commissioner PANE.)
IN THE BANKRUPTCY OF LOUIS GEORGE JULLIEN.
The bankrupt, the well-known conductor of concerts,
and late lessee of Drury-lane Theatre, applied for his
certificate.
Mr. Cooke opposed on behalf of three creditors,
namely, Mr. Benham, of Wigmore-street; Mr. Way
Wytcherley, of Wigmore-street; and Mr. Folkes, of
Little Russell-street. The object of the opposition, it
may be premised, was not directed so much against the
bankrupt obtaining his certificate, as to elicit the manner
in which Mr. Lewis, a solicitor, of No. 9, Lower Gros-
venor-street, and- Mr. Levi, a sheriff's officer, and
brother-in-law of Mr. Lewis, had obtained possession of
nearly the whole of the bankrupt's property, and at the
same time to obtain an order from the Commissioner for
the setting apart, by the bankrupt, of a portion of his
future earnings, in part liquidation of his present debts.
Mr. CooKE said, the general grounds of opposition
were the following;—The large amount of the bankrupt's
debts (12,0001.), and the smallness of the assets, being
only about 1501. The next question was,
whether
a man, who had everything to gain and nothing to lose,
was justified in entering upon a speculation in the
manner the bankrupt had done. It appeared from the
balance-sheet that, in 1846, the bankrupt had a defi-
ciency of upwards of 1001. In April, 1848, he stopped
payment with a deficiency of 12,000/. The bankrupt
had resided in a large house in Harley-street, and his
expenses were excessive, namely, about 1,800/. in little
more than a year and a half. There was also the objec-
tion, that the bankrupt had paid a meat usurious rate of
interest to his own attorney,
a Mr. Lewis, and that
that attorney had at -length been permitted by him to
obtain almost the entire of his property. It would
be for the Court to decide whether, when the case had
been fully heard, the certificate could be granted, with-
out attaching thereto certain conditions as might be the
means of obtaining a partial liquidation of his debts.
he was 125/. deficient. In 1847 he realized a net profit
M. Jullien was then examined—ln December, 1846,
of 3,1831. by a tour in the provinces. In August, 1847,
he became lessee of Drury-lane Theatre, undertaking to
pay a rental of 3,500/. per year by instalments of 201.
per night, until that amount should be paid. The Grand
Opera commenced in the November following, the
expenses were 4501. per night, and the performances
lasted fifty-two nights. His losses during that time were
15,0801. Had never undertaken a similar speculation
before. He left London on a provincial tour on the 3d
of January, 1848. Mr. Lewis was his attorney, and
had from a period dating nine years back been in the
practice of discounting his bills. Mr. Lewis had never
powers to
given him a statement of accounts, although he had fre-
quently applied to him for one. Did not know what
rate of interest he paid. Was quite certain Mr. Lewis
had never given him a. statement of the accounts between
them. s"'
Mr. COLE (on behalf of the assignees) here stated that
the creditors could get no statement from Mr.`Lewis of
his transactions with the bankrupt, beyond his showing
thought
a diary containing entrances- of half-a-dozen items. -
Mr. Commissioner PANE—I have ample
compel Mr. Lewis to produce a cash account,
tag: nsiex that
yearsi t
Mr. CoLE—Mr. Lewis has stated that he kept no book
of account respecting his transactions.
Examination continued—He (the. bankrupt)
that when; Mr. Lewis began to discount his bills he
charged five per cent. per annum for the discounts.
Ttohisi
mSoigmhetthbiengfivoeccpuerrreeden
ago. Mr. Lewis explained by saying
whichper
mleodnthhi.m
that the charge
was for other things. He (the bankrupt) did not feel
satisfied, and endeavoured to get out of his hands. In
twelve months after that time he had paid off every-
thing, except Mr. Lewis_s_' law charges, for which he
T
could not get his bill. wo or three years afterwards,
being greatly pressed for money, he again borrowed of
Mr. Lewis 200/., since which time he might have had
eight or ten other transactions with him. It
appeared by his balance-sheet that Lewis now
holds his bills for upwards of 3,0001. Did not keep an
account of his money transactions with Mr. Lewis. On
the Ist of January, 1848, he and his partner in Regent-
street sold that business to Messrs. Chappell and Beale
for 4,0001. He bad four-fifths of that business, so that
his share was 3,200/. Deducting a sum of 600/. that he
at that time owed to Messrs. Chappell and Beale, ho
received the difference in cash. He then paid 600/. to
the London and Westminster Bank, 250/. for a bill due
to Mr. Bielefield, 3001. to Mr. Benham, and 2601. to Mrs.
Levi. He also paid Lewis 600 e He then paid various
monthly and weekly salan d 'es that were due to performers;
and finding that he ha not sufficient money left
for this purpose by 300/., he applied to Mr. Lewis, who
gave him back 300/. He then paid the remainder of the
salaries. Lewis then drew a bill upon him for 3001., as
he believed, but could not say the exact amount, nor
whether it was payable in two or three months. He
(the bankrupt) had further made an agreement with
Chappell and Beale, by which they undertook to pay
him no/. per year, fur six years, for certain musical
services. The undertaking was secured by bond. He
never authorised Mr. Lewis to obtain from Chappell
and Beale eighteen bills of exchange, of 100/. each,
in exchange for this bond. If it was done, it was with-
out his authority. Had since heard that such an ex-
change had taken place, and that Lewis has got the
bills. Ile had never seen Lewis privately since that ex-
change took place. He (the bankrupt) was also to have
from Chappell and Beale au annuity of 7001. per year
for six years for other services. That was also secured
by bond. He had executed an assignment of the latter
bond, procured by Lewis, on the evening of Sunday the
2d of January, wing first consulted his wife, Madame
Jullien, whether he should do so. Lewis dined with him

on that day. After Madame Jullien had retired, Lewis
produced a paper, and said if he would sign it he should
be able to obtain money to arrange with his (Jullien's)
creditors, so that he might be able to pursue his prat
sional career. He did n, t read the document himself,cr
hear it read, but called Madame Jullien to read it for
him. She asked Lewis what he intended to do with the
7001. annuity. He said it was to enable him to make an
arrangement with the creditors. He instantly signed it,
that same Sunday evening, in the presence of Madame
Jullien only. The man servant might have been pre-
sent, as he brought in the pen and ink for the purpose.
Lewis's clerk was not.

Mr. COLE objected to this kind of examination going
on in public.
Mr. Commissioner PANE said the examination was a
proper one to be heard in public. Here were three cre-
ditors endeavouring to get something more than a
farthing in the pound, and was he to prevent their doing
so by denying the fullest and most public inquiry?
Examination continued—Saw Lewis the following
morning at bis (Lewis's) bed-room door for a few
minutes, upon a matter of 601. that had been twice paid.
Obtained the money. Not a word was said about the
assignment. He (the bankrupt) did not sign anything,
and he left town by the 10 A. M. train for Leicester on a
musical tour, en route to Scotland. When in Scotland
he received a letter from a Mr. Speyer, an attorney,
informing him that two bills of his for 5001. each were
due, and if they were not paid immediately he would
be made a bankrupt. Lewis had told him that his
brother-in-law, Levi, held the two bills, and to mind
and provide for them, or that Levi would make him do
so. He sent a copy of Speyer's letters to Lewis, and
begged him to arrange the matter as well as he could,
having property in hand. Never authorised Lewis to
put in an appearance. Had since heard Levi had got an
execution over his property. Had a lease of certain
premises in Harley-street, including a music-room. They
were repaired and decorated in 1847 at an expense of
1,6001. Had paid Mr. Benham 300/. on account of the
same, and 1,3001. was now due. He has not in his pos-
session the lease of these premises. Did not know that
Lewis had put them up for sale by the sheriff. A meet-
ing of his creditors was called for the sth of February.
He was in London at the time, but did not know that
Levi had at that time got a judgment against him.
Mr. Chappell here stated that there were two meet-
ings of creditors—one of the creditors of the joint
estate on the sth of January, and one of Jullien's own
creditors of the sth of February; and that Lewis then
stated, in the hearing of twenty persons, that no one
could possibly take any proceedings by way of seizure.
Examination continued—lt was at the latter meeting
agreed to accept his offer of 1,5001. a year out of his
future earnings, and that the lease should remain in the
hands of Mr. Lewis, on the understanding that he would
not disturb the bankrupt. After this meeting he went
te Dublin. Finding it impossible, shortly after, to carry
out this arrangement, in consequence of Mr. Bielefield
and other creditors dissenting, he made himself a bank-
rupt. The sheriff had remained in his house since the
4th of February, and the property was taken.
The bankrupt here stated that he was quite ready to
do anything (either by giving a written document, or
his word of honour) for his creditors, out of his future
earnings. He was now receiving 631. per week for his
professional labours at the Surrey Zooiogical Gardens,
less some expenses.
Mr. Richard Folkes, of Little Russell-street, Covent-
garden, draper, was next examined at some length by
Mr. Cooke, touching the circumstances under which the
bankrupt had obtained credit for Mr. Folkes's claim of
4431. It appeared from his evidence that the debt was
contracted under much the same circumstances that such
debts are usually contracted when a bankrupt has not
the money wherewith to pay, and as he declared that he
had no ill feeling towards Mona. Jullien, and only wished
to obtain a partial liquidation of his debt out of the
bankrupt's future earnings, when he was able to pay, his
Honour intimated an opinion that the conduct of the
bankrupt in respect to the transaction was not of a cri-
minal character, and proceeded to deliver his judgment
on the case generally.
The Learned CoamissioNxn, in doing this, said ho
must first say that he did not think that the expenditure
of the bankrupt, taking into consideration his position
and the peculiar nature of his pursuit, had been excessive.
The next objection, that the bankrupt commenced his
balance-sheet in 1846, with a deficiency of 136 L, and had
no right to enter on a speculation, vanished when he
took into account the property he had in Regent-street,
the amount of his earnings in 1847, and the bonds
Messrs. Chappell and Beale bad given him in security
of the annuities. The next question was, whether the
bankrupt was warranted in entering upon the great
speculation of Drury-lane Theatre. When he looked at
the great success that had attended him for nine years,
he thought that a man of his talents was justified in
taking a bold course. All persons of talent like to show
boldness in enterprise where the enterprise is not unjust,
and he (the Learned Commissioner) should not say that
the bankrupt had exceeded the proper bounds of legiti-
mate enterprise. Then came the great difficulty of the
bankrupt having come there with nothing; but why
had he nothing? He (the bankrupt) had placed him-
self in the hands of an attorney, and that attorney
and Mr. Levi had got something. Upon this part of the
matter the bankrupt had not been more to blame than
his creditors. He had placed himself in their hands,
and they, not less than he, had, by not bringing his
affairs into that Court sooner, enabled Lewis and Levi to
get nearly the whole of the property. Ile hoped and
trusted that the assignees would take proceedings, and
yet compel them to disgorge some part of the bankrupt's
assets; but he could not punish the bankrupt by with-
holding his certificate. He felt that his conduct had been
that of an honest man, who had done all that lay in his
power, and ho should therefore grant him his certificate.
Whether he should attach thereto any conditions with
respect to his devoting a portion of his future earnings
in liquidation of his present debts, he would decide on
Saturday morning next, after having maturely weighed
all the circumstances of the case.
Certificate granted accordingly.

guards' arms. After much entreaty on the part of the
guard, and to save life, seeing they had no thane of a
successful resistance, the party mounted the coaches,
and toot possession of the mail bags and arms. Thus
satisfied, they proclaimed that they did not want to rob,
but to stop all Government communications, cautioning
them, at the same time, not to attempt to come that way
the next day, or to mark the consequence. Several large
bodies were seen at the same time on the banks of the
river Feale, and on the surrounding hills, apparently as
a reinforcement, all armed with different weapcns."—
Limerick Reporter.
MR. DOFIENY.
It appears that the reason why bills are not sent to the
grand jury of Tipperary against Mr. Doheny and his re-
cognizanees estreated, is to be fotind in the fact of his
having, subsequent to the first offence, made himself
amenable to the charge of high treason. The editor of the
Tipperary Vindicator, who was one of Mr. Doheny's
bail, says—" The most ridiculous and absurd rumours
havo gone abroad on this subject. In the first place it
was confidently stated that the sureties were indemnified
by the payment of their fines, and this was asserted
before they could have been tried at all, and when this
was seen to have been false by the fact that no bills were
exhibited, and that no estreat was demanded, it was con-
fidently stated that Mr. Doheny had become a spy for
the Government, and that he was actually lodged in the
Castle giving information against his brother insur-
gents. We believe we may state the last report is just
as true as the first, and equally valuable."
Mr. Doheny—to nso a vulgar, but expressive,
Irishism—" has brought his pigs to a very bad market."
He was treasurer to the Corporation of Cashel, from
which he derived an income or salary of 250/. a year.
The Corporation, however, have appointed another
gentleman to the office, in the person of Mr. John
Coman.

THE HARVEST.—THE WEATHER.
The rain is still falling in torrents. The potato crop
is now despaired of; and, indeed, it is admitted on all
hands, that the late plantings—that is to say, the main
crops—are completely lost. Government is now having
printed at the Queen's printers here, for the information
of Parliament, reports from the poor-law inspectors of
the 32 counties. All these, I regret to say, concur in
opinion as to the dangerous state of the potato crop a
fortnight ago. When the majority of these reports
were prepared the disease had only appeared in some
districts. It is now universal. The mere loss of the po •
tato, however, is not the only or the greatest datger
with which we are threatened. The corn crops in the
early districts are already rotting on the ground, and
unless favourable weather sets in directly the entire pro-
duce will be destroyed.

RAILWAY INTELLIGENCE.
EASTERN COUNTIES.

The usual half-yearly meeting of this company was
held yesterday at the London Tavern, Bishopsgate-
street. There was a very largo attendance of share-
holders on the occasion.

The chair was taken at one o'clock, by Mr. Hud-
son, M.P.

The advertisement convening the meeting having been
read, and a resolution for affixing the seal of the com-
pany to the registered list of proprietors having been
adopted,
Mr. liosEv, the secretary of the company, read the
following report of the directors :
" The directors beg to announce a dividend of Bs. per
share of 201. each of the consolidated stock of the com-
pany fur the half-year ending the 4th of July last.
" The l 3 Quarters of the York extension shares come in
for dividend, for the first time, this half-year ; making
the number of shares on which such dividend is payable
287,121.

" The usual hall-yearly reports have been received
from the resident engineer and from the locomotive su-
perintendent. The permanent way, stations, &c., are
in a satisfactory state, and the company's stock, en-
gines, carriages, &c., are in a most effective condition
for carrying on the increasing traffic upon the line.
" The Maldon, Witham, and Braintree Railway will
be open for goods traffic on the 15th instant, and for
passenger traffic on the Ist of next month. The
Enfield and Edmonton line will be completed in the
course of the autumn. With the exception of the line
of 12 miles in length between Dereham and Fakenham,
and the completion of the Lowestoft harbour, contracted
for by the Norfolk Railway Company, and continued by
this company, the directors have no other works in pro-
gress.
" The directors have received notice from the Great
Northern Railway Company that the northern portion
of their line of railway will be open for traffic at the
end of September. Arrangements of a satisfactory
character nave been made for the use of the Peterbo-
rough station by that company, and for the establish-
ment of through rates, both for passengers and goods, to
and from the Eastern Counties line to the station of
the Great Northern and of the East Lincolnshire Com-
panies.
" Subjoined are the usual statements of account, made
un to the 4th of July last:—

STATEMENT OF RECEIPTS AND DISBURSEMENTS
ON CONSTRUCTION ACCOUNT, FROM JANUARY
5, 1846, TO JULY 4, 1848.
RECEIPTS.

£. s. d.

To receipts for shares, &c., to the 4th of
January, 1848, as reported to the general
meeting, February 26, 1848; ... 6,576,214 15 10
Further receipts, viz.—
On original shares ... 210 0 0
On extension stock, No. 2 35,244 13 4
On new shares ... 8,132 0 0
On York extensions .. 115,251 15 8
From Northern and Eastern and Eastern
Counties proprietors, to equalize shares 1,970 12 0
Six per cent. stock .. 341,519 0 0

7,078,542 16 10
To loans ... ... ... ... ... 866,274 10 8

DISB U

7,944,817 7 6

X. a. d.

By expenses to the 4th of January, 184 S,
as reported to general meeting, February
26, 1848 ... 7,297,241 8 3
Further payments, viz.—
For land and compensation and atten-
dant expenses .. ••• •• 3,597 4 11
For Parliamentary expenses, Session
1846 18,716 15 3
For surveys, plans, sections, &c. 5,596 9 0
For works and stations generally ... 69,110 2 9
For rails, chairs, sleepers, points and
crossings, sidings, &c. • • ••• 8,068 7 8
For locomotive engines, carriages, trucks,
horse-boxes, &c. . 67,545 14 4
Fur proportion of travelling and office
expenses, salaries, direction, adver-
tising, &c., chargeable to capital, dur-
ing the construction of new lines ... 1,265 311
For engineering ... •• ••• .. 4,569 7 11
For solicitors, for general business, law
charges, &c. 3,058 13 3
For interest paid on loans, bond stamps,
&c. ••• ••• ... 21,656 0 0
For Stratford and Thames Junction and
North Woolwich Railways ... 1,923 11 6
For Maldon, Witham, and Braintree
Railway • • ... ... ... 39,286 18 3
For Wisbeach, St. Ives, and Cambridge
Junction Railway ... 53,079 14 7
F, r Enfield and Edmonton Railway ... 12,399 9 0
For arrears of interest paid on York
extension shares, and loss on shares
sold ... ... ••• 59,773 18 5
Balance ... ... 277,928 8 1

7,944,817 7 6

STATEMENT OF REVENUE ACCOUNT FOR THE
HALF-YEAR ENDING JULY 4, 1818.
DEBTOR.
s. d. s. d.
To Traffic—

Passengers ... 177,632 14 0
Horses, carriages, and
dogs ... 4,813 5 7
Parcels .. ... 8,035 12 8
Nails ... 5,669 7 7
Goods and cattle ... 124,597 12 2
Coal ... 1,417 110
Net earnings from
cartage ... ... 6,039 17 8
328,225 11 6
Interest on arrears of calls, &c. 4,028 4 5
Transfer fees, &c.... ••• ••• 375 16 3
Rent of refreshment •rooms, book-
stands, &c. ••• ••• ••• 325 0 0
Rent from London and North-Western
Company, Blackwall wharf, coal
arches, &c. •.• •.. ..• 9,319 19 6

342,274 11 8

CAZDITOR.
X. 9. d. £. 8. d.

By maintenance of way
and works—
SL months' repairs of
line 11,918 19 8
Repairs of stations ... 999 17 0
.-----.—• 121,918 16 8

Locomotive power—
Working engines ... 14,261 8 7
Repairing engines ... 18,334 6 5
Cuke and coal for engines 25,873 9 8
Water ter engittea 65 16 6
Salaries to superinten-
dents, &c. ... 950 0 6
59,485 1 8

Coach and waggon repairs and altera-
tions ... ... ••• ... ... 7,011 19 5
Coaching department, including salaries
to clerks, wages to porters and guards,
clothing, stores, &c. .. ••• ... 22,396 4 4
Goods department, salaries, wages,
stores, Skc. ... ••• .... ... 17,039 5 4
Stores department, wages, Sic. ... • • 432 16 0
Coals for stations ••• ••• ••• 1,530
10 5 8
6
Gas ••• ••• ••• ••• ••• 2,456
556 1 0
Insurance ••• •• ••• .••
Office charges, salaries, &c. ... •.. 1,586 7 3
Direction .. •.. ... :... ... 450 0 0
Advertising, stationery, and printing ... 3,367 4 8
Miscellaneous charges ... ... ... 242 1 7

129,472 14 1

Rates and taxes ... 11,886 17 6 .
Government duty ... 7,002 2 8
Compensation for casual-
ties, icc. ... ... 1,184 9 9
20,073 9 11
Interest on extension stock 1 and 2 .. 46,448 18
13alance ... ..• •••
...
•••
146,279
8 11

8.122274 11

To balance to 4th January, 184 S, after pay-
ing dividend ... ..,, ..
To balance brought down ... ... :::

L s. d.
10,563 11 10
146,279 8 11

Interest to Northern and East-
ern Railway Company ... 31,950 9 0
Net earnings, two months'
receipts Norfolk Railway ... 6,000 0 0

156,843 0 9

37,950 9 0

For Half-year's dividend to 4th July, 1848 118,892 11 3

The CHAIRMAN said he had now to move—
" That the report of the directors now read and the
accounts annexed thereto bo idoit-e-&andther the diTi-
d(nd of Bs. per share be paid on and after the 4th of
September next."

Mr. PRICE inquired how tho number of shares (stated
at 287,121) was arrived at? _

The CHAIRMAN said that the whole number of shares
issued was 294,348, but there were 7,000 shares yet to
come in for registry, and the directors mereTP produced
tc-day the list of shares actually registered. Shares
were issued of which no register was taken, and parties
might come in and register or not, as they pleased. 110
had no objection to put down in the next report how
these shares were created, and how they were placed.
A SHAREHOLDDR wished to know what were the arrears
of calls on all the shares?

The CHAIRMAN was not able to say, butjhought that
the arrears could not be more than 40,0007.
In reply to a SHAREHOLDER who inquired whether th
accounts had been audited, _ _

The CHAIRMAN said they hqd been audited by the di-
rectors. He had a resolution, however, to propose, ap-
pointing two auditors.

- A SHAREHOLDER having remarked upon the large
item for Parliamentary and law charges,
The CHAIRMAN said that every company had been
saddled with these expenses lately. This was a subject
upon which he never could speak with patience, and he
had done what he could on the different lines with which
he was connected to use the pruning knife, and reduce
these expenses. There were some surveys still in dis-
pute, but the directors were getting in every account as
fast as they could, and wished to clear off their liabilities
as much as possible. During the last session some little
expenses had been incurred in opposing the Hitchin and
Cambridge line, and their opposition had been to a con-
siderable extent successful. They had compelled that
company to stop seven miles short of Cambridge, and to
make use of their railway if they got thele. It would
have been most unjust to the Eastern Counties Company
to have made two lines from Cambridge to London,
and all the Parliamentary expenses incurred this year
were in opposing that project. The directors could not
always get their bills in, and could not always pay them
when they did .—(A laugh.) Until they got the guaran-
teed stock the directors were obliged to borrow money
among themselves. It wai utterly impossible to wind
up all the accounts of such a large eroncern in a few
months. They could not eerpect to get over without
some expenses in Parliamentary Committees, when other
companies were spending 400,0001. or 500,0001. under
this head.

A SHAREIIOLDER—What other accounts aro there to
settle?

The CHAIRDIAN—There was a large surveyor's bill,
and a dispute as to the amount to be paid by the three
companies. The company had also a dispute with their
former engineer, and there was a long account witlethat
gentleman, which had become the subject of a reference.
The directors would use every sconomy and save every
penny they could. If while other companies had been
spending such sums !+p he had mentioned that company
had not made some erertions to maintain their position,
the shareholders would have had reason to complain—
(Hear, hear)—and although the affairs of the company
were under some depression, frdm circumstances which
no human foresight could: anticipate or contrql, yet as
the population and commerce of the country inexeased,
and as new facilities were provided for meeting the
wants of the public, if they would only go on steadily
and quietly, he had no doubt they would recover them-
selves and place themselves in such a position as to re-
alize the expectations of their proprietors. lie did not
know whether there was a single lino that they had con-
structed which they ought not to have constructed. They
ought perhaps to have taken a little longer time over
them, and if they could have foreseen the French revola-

tion, the potato disease, and a few such matters—(A
laugh)—it would no doubt have been better that they
should have folded their arms and waited a little more
patiently.—( Hear.)
A SHAREHOLDER moved as an amendment that the
dividend be paid clear of income-tax.

The CHAIRMAN thought the proprietors had better
wait and see the result of another halt-year's working.—
(Hear, hear.) The payment of the income-tax by the
company would take from 3,0001. to 4.000 L, and
although there was a balance which would Wow of that
being done, it was always awkward to go down in their
dividend. lie had no reason to suppose that such would
be the case in the next 'half-year, and ho could tell them
for their encouragement that although they had such
bad weather in the south, there had not been it shower
for the last week in the north.—(Hear, hear.) - The di-
rectors had scarcely been in a position until now properly
to look at their expenditure, but the result of their
doing so had been that they had determined to discon-
tinue some of their long trains between Cambridge and
London, and to run five trains a day instead of seven or
eight. Probably about October next they would discon-
tinue two long trains a day, and save altogether about
6,000 miles of engine running during the week, which
would enable them to effect a material saving in firemen,
enginemen, in wear and tear, and in coke. He should
like to see these matters practically carried out, and in the
meanwhile his advice was that the dividend of Bs. should
be paid as last year, subject to the income-tax.—(©p.
plume.) The directors, however, had no wish on the
matter if the majority of the shareholders should be of
I a different kind.

The CHAIRMAN then put the amendment, that the
dividend be paid clear of income-fax, which was nega-
tived by a very large majority. The origineil motion
was then put and carried unanimously, amid much
applause.
The CHAIRMAN moved the next resolution, that Mr.
James Peek, of Finsbury-squalre, and Mr. James Reeves,
of Leyton, Essex, be appointed eudttors, and that an
allowance of 201. per year be made to those gentlemen
for their services.

A SHAREHOLDER complained of the accommodation
provided at the Colchester station, and inquired whether
the directors did not propose to improve this station?
The CHAIRMAN said that he for one was determiefed
to stop laying out money until ho saw the proprietors
better paid for their investments.--(Applause.) He
would go down and look at the Colchester station, and
any little additional accommodation he shoud not mind,
but any considerable outlay ho would decidedly object to.
In reply to a question from Mr. l'aioE,
The CHAIRMAN said, the six per cent. guaranteed
stock had not been sold, and it would be absurd to sell it
now. When sold it would be for the benefit of the com-
pany. Tho directors did not expect the present gloomy
times to continue, and until they met the proprietors
again they had no intention of bringing this stock into
the market.—(Applause.)

The motion ler. the appointment of the auditors was,
after a short conversation, passed unanimously.
A SHAREHOLDER asked whether there was any pros-
pect of the Harwich line being made
Mr. WADDING.TON said that depended upon the
Eastern Union Railway Company ; but in the existing
state of the money market he thought it was not likely
to be made at present.
Mr. BAGSHAWE—It will be commenced within 10 days.
A SHAREHOLDER inquired whether there was any,
and what, engagement entered into with the Newmarket
Company ?
The CHAIRMAN, when ho had recommended the lease
with this company, understood that the capital required
to complete the line would be about 400,0004 On going
into the question, however, he found it would be consi-
derably more than this sum, and he thereupon said that
ho would not carry out the arrangement, and that no
agreement should be made without the sanction of
the proprietors.—(Loud applause.) The fact was,
the New market line was not so much a line of
revenue as of protection, and prevented any other com-
pany from getting into Norwich. The basis of fbe ar-
rangement proposed was for them (the Eastern Counties)
to take about 200,0001. at 3 per cent. for two years, and
the Newmarket line would then be entitled to a dividend
of 3} per cent. in perpetuity, except the mertgage debt,
which the Eastern Counties would take and deal with
as with their awn stock. The whole arrangement would
be, however, submitted to the shareholders before an
agreement was entered into.
Mr..lisosnawk: should be very sorry if any misstate-
ment went forth to the world relative to the Harwich
line, in consequence of the erroneous assertion of his
lion. Friend Mr. Waddington. Heretofore that com-
pany had taken an interest in the Harwich branch, but
it had been conceded to the Eastern Union Company,
who were to take it when completed on a revenue of 4
per cent. Every acre of land between Manningtree
(where the line was to leave the Eastern Union) and
Harwich necessary to construct the railway had been
purchased, the line was staked out, and he believed that
it would be commenced within ten days.
Mr. WADDINGTON—And when will it be completed?
Mr. BAGSHAWE—The money has all been raised to
make the line.
A SHAREHOLDER—WiII the arrangement with the
Newmarket Company be made shortly
The CHAIRMAN—Yes; probably in a few days.
In reply to a question respecting the arrangement
with the Great Northern Railway Company.
The CHAIRMAN said the Great Northern Railway
Company would come upon their line until that railway
way was completed, and when using it they would pay
661. 13s. 4d. per cent. to them for the traffics which want
over the line, retaining the other 33/. 6s. Bd, for ex-
penses. The Great Northern would come into the
Eastern Counties station at Peterborough, and until the
main line was finished they would come to London upon
their (the Eastern CountieL) line.
They
yers would
also also use a portion of the Midland Railway, and pay
the same per centago to that company as
line. _

Mr. GREY moved a vote of thanks to the Cleirman
for his attention to the company's concerns, and a simi-
lar acknowledgment of the services of his brother di-
rectors,

Mr. CASH was anxious to second this proposition,
were it only that he might have an opportunity of ex-
pressing his satisfaction with one statement made by the
chairman—viz., that it was his determination not to spend
more money than was absolutely necessary.—(Bear,
hear.) Ile hoped this example would be followed by
other Companies; for nothing had contributed to bring
about the present unfortunate position of railway pro-
perty so much as extravagant expanditure.—(ilear,
hear.) On that ground alone, although he fully con-
curred with the mover as to the information given by
the Chairman, he had great pleasure in seconding the
motion.
The motion was carried by acclamation.
The CHAIRMAN said—Gentlemen, I cannot allow you
to separate without thanking you for the very kind
manner in which you have received the resolution just
passed. We may Lave been disappointed, we may have
been too sanguine in our expectations, but I
assure you that nu exertion will ;he spared on our
parts to bring this great undertaking to a result
which will be satisfactory to you all.—(Applause.)
Gentlemen, but for my anxiety to meet you to-day, it
would have Mil my mournful duty to pay the tribute
due to departed north in following to the tomb the re-
mains of my resruct,tl friend, Mr. George Stephuison—
' a man whose genius has benefited nosOlie rich only but