The Sun.
London, England, 1833-03-28 00:00:00

which the military expenditure bore to the revenue of
each country.

Proportions of
Popula. Total Military Regular Military
tion. Revenue. Expen. Army to Expendi-
diture Popula- ture to
tion. Revenue.
X. X Effective
•Gt.rritain 24,271,763 52,575,308,9,151 .Vl4 lin 261 I.6th
France :12,561,0(11135,634,88219,496,,520 lin 77 1-4th
Austria 32,500,000 z 200,0 ,015,000,00 n lin 116 2-Pds
Russia 49,000,,100 19,300,000,791,607 lin 5 1-3 d
Prussia 13,400,000 7,603,050p,419,745 lin 113 12d
Spain 13,950,00 6,774,,t1,712,530,848 lin 273 1-3 d
Holland 2,44i,000 4,106,666 4,251b,333 lin 43 4-4ths
Belgium 3,5'13,538 5.75 1,000 2,880,0001 lin 42 1-2 d
Bavaria 4,270,0, 0 2,800,000 187,334 lin 95 1-4th
UAmerica s. of
" "
13 100 001. 5 572 827 1' 411,435 lin 1926 1-4th

• The Aggi

negate Number according to the last Return of 1830.
'Effective 75,498 £4,504,3(39.
Non-effective 94 00 I
' - Expenditure 2'924'605
'Effective 1'2,791 1,(.62,!-(13
Non-effective 13,"52 355,9(11

Army.....

Ordnance.

Total Men 1. 8,365

£ ',151,784

Thus it appearei
penditure to the
which was less I
now came to th,
it was as follow,

I that the
revenue w.

proportion of the military ex.
s only one-sixth in England,
other country whatever. He
force kept up in each country ;

:ban in any

amount o'

,s : --

f Staff,
Engi
1 neers, National
1 Infan- Ca- Artil. Garri- Guards,
- try. valry. lery. son Total. Militia, or
Troops, Landwehr.
Gen-
darmes.
------- - - -- --- --- ---
effective
, 91,29. 9 raen
G.Britain ,
I non-effective
107,076 men
France '281,000 52,000 39,000 KA ,A 4 421,494 men 1 1,400,000
1 ""'" 82,057 hor.
Austria 1220,000 36.800 16,060 7,200 2 0,000 400,000
Russia _1576,10., 66,000 70000 15001 0 862,000 M.Colonies
Prussia 56,200 19.00013,500 28,000 117,090
089,000
Reserve
25,000
Mil Zoo
Spain 40,000 6,400 3,6C0 1,200 51,200
Holland 49,000 4,800; 3,0001Vet.756 57,550 Schutl2ooo
Belgium
Bavaiia 32,000 5,600 3,1721 4,2291 45,000 145 000
-
America 4,5)6 1 2,l66,Stafflooi 6,802 1,190,000

He hoped he had not tired the House. He did not mean
to state that this country in its natural position, ought to
regul ite its force by the conduct of other Powers ; but he
did mean to say, that with reference to the former esta-
blishment of tl.e country, and with reference also to the
position of 'he continental Powers. we had a right ti hold
ourselves in the a.me defensive attitude as during former
years. Nothwithstandin2, the appeals which had been made,
and he admitted very properly made, to this reformed
Parliament, he did not think that one of their first acts
should be to paralyse the efforts of the Government of
the country, particularly when just cause had been shown
I.r maintaining all thise armaments. If any one would
only cast his eye over the trup of Europe he would
perceive the necessity of keeping up our present force,
knowing that the least movement in any one of those
States, great or small, was calculated to produce an
effect upon this country. Even the slightest movement
in C.nada or the Mediterranean was sufficient to set the
military of this country into a state of activity. Even
in the present estimates the petty agitation caused in the
dominions of the King of the Mandingoes—a King he
never before heard of until he saw his Majesty's name in
the estimates—(A laugh)—had swelled those estimates in
the amount of 5501. He trusted that the House would
not object to this vote. If any constitutional jealousy
prevailed against a large standing army in time of peace
at former periods, he trusted that those Hon. Members
who believed with him that the House now really repre-
sented tie sentiments and feelings of the people of Eng-
land, would be satisfied that such jealousy could no longer
prevail, and that even any suspicion would be diminished
by a just confidence in the House. Under a reformed
Parliament all fears of that kind would be at an end, for
the force which ought not to be trusted to a f-vv, might
safely be intrusted to those who represented the people of
the empire. Those gentlemen, therefore, who might
think that because he objected to the maintenance of such
armies in other times, they were still bound to oppose them,
were mistaken, for the grounds of suspicion and jealousy
which formerly might be justly entertained, were now re-
moved by the change which had rendered that ifiuse the
real representative of the people. Tree Right Hn. Ba-
ronet concluded by moving, that the number of 89,419
men tie employed as the land forces of the British etiapire,
exclusive of those maintained in the East Indies, for the
year beginning the Ist of April, 1833, and ending the
31st of March, 1834.

The qu..stion was put.
Mr. HUME said he would put it to the House whe-
ther, at this late hour of the night—twelve o'clock—(Oh,
oh)—it wool Ihe advisable to proceed with the discusion.
Lord ALTHORP persisted in piocerding. He was
perfectly surprised at such a proposition emanatmg from

the Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. HUME had not made the proposition exclaimed
against by the Noble Lord on his own account, but on that
of a large portion of the other i I mbers.
Lord ALTEIORP petsisting in his determination,
11r. HUME, at considerably past twelve o'clock, rose
to reply. The Hon. Member went through a rapid
statement of figures and calculations of the number• of
force in different years, and the amount of military ex-
penditure in the same years The effective fore- of this year
would cost more by 56,0001. than the forces at any time
under the Wellington Administration. It would be ex-
tremely difficult to understand why this Ministry should
require so large an increase beyond the estimates of
the Duke of Wellington. Even the reasons and causes
tvh ch had been alleged by the former Administra-
tions were ❑ow no longer tenable. In 1792 our forces
had only amounted to 45,942. In the present enormous
increase to the •alreadty enormous aun.unt of forces, he
was perfectly at a loss for a reason he sad heard none
yet. We were just now on the same scale as in 1830.
There was much greater room for reduction than was pro-
posed in the estimate. There was a proposition for seven-
teen thousand men for the new colonies ; hut in none of
the old colonies was it found necessary to keep up half
such a body of me❑ as had been kept up in 1792, as, for
instance, in Canada, when the dangers of war hanging
over them rendered a large force really necessary. It of
the 5,000 regular troops in Canada, they were to draw
away 4,000, there would be quite as much security, and
it wound he of great benefit to the country.—(Here, and
indeed at various periods during the Hon. Gentleman's
speech, considerable confusion prevailed in the House,
which the Hon. Gentleman observed " was always the
case a ter• twelve o'clock ;" a laugh, and Hear hear.)
The nu.nber of troops maint .ined in our colonies was by
by all those colonies considered, so far from a protection
and security, a great affliction ; and if they were univer-
sally reduced to one•halt, he was Sully persuaded, on the
best authority, and from personal information from people of
property in the different islands, that the existence of such
large bodies of troops in those colonies was considered
perfectly unnecessary, and altogether disproportioned to
their wants. With respect to Canada he had only a few
days ago received a letter from a responsiole person in
Upper Canada, stating, that by the change in pokey
of
our Government with respect to that country, the
people there were so perfectly satisfied, and every-
ihing was rendered su secure, that there was no
necessity for a single regular soldier there. Were
we, then, to keep up such a body of troops, in our
distressed condition, under such imbecile pretences ? In
the scale of pupation which the Hon. Gentleman had
produced—and a curious one it was—he had omitted to
❑tention Upper Canada. As to the proportion of troops
in England, 90,000 in 24,000,000, this was on the face
t fit most preposterous. Then as to the expense of our
colonial armies—for instance, from the force in New
South Wales—we could most advantageously fer both
countries deduct 1,000 Wren; and if we would give that
country, as we ought, sonic sort of representative govern-
ment, still some power by which they might assess them-
..elves, they would be glad enough to pay what soldiery
they might find necessary to keep up. All the people of
New South Wales asked was, that they should have a
Legislature of their own, by which alone they should he
taxed. They had expressed their willingness, if that were
given to them, to relieve England of all the expense of
their civil as siell as their military establishments. With
,espect to the North American colonies, he knew it to be
the opinion of those who were beat stile to judge of the
subject, that with the exception of Halifax, which, from
its peculiar situation, might, perhaps, require a considerable
force, no other part required such an army as was main-
tained in them. The Canadians, too, complained, and he
t hought with justice, of the policy which prevented the
Government from allowing any natives of Canada to enter
ttie army. Trey dill not wish for a separation from this
country, but they complained that they were kept in an
inferior and degraded situation. He disapproved of the
system of coercion adopted by the Government towards
tae Mauritius acrd Cape of Good Hope. It was calcu
lated not only to do harm, by alienating the affections of
those colonies from the mother country, but it entailed a
vast expense on the people. There were 33,000 men in
the colonies at present, which he thought might very
safely be reduced to 2,000, including relays.—(The
House at this period showed much impatience, upon which
the Hon. Member said)—He was not surprised that