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London, England, 1848-08-25 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

The report on the Committee of Supply was then
brought up and agreed to.
I3ANKIIUPTS' RELEASE. BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
POST-HORSE LICENSES (IRELAND) BILL.
The Committee on this Bill was p.,stponed till after
the other orders of the day were disposf.d of.
POSTAGE ON NEWSPAPERS (CHANNEL

ISLANDS).
The Committee on this Bill was postponed until the
other orders of the day were disposed of.
DISTILLING FROM SUGAR BILL.

The Committee on this Bill was postponed until after
the other orders of the day were disposed of.
RENEWABLE LEASEUOLI) CONVERSION

(IRELAND) BILL.
The Committee on this Bill was postponed till to•
morrow, at twelve o'clock.
TRANSFER OF LANDED PROPERTY (IRE-
LAND) BILL.
The report on this Bill was received, and the Bill
was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow, at twelve,
BATTERSEA PARK BILL.

This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be
committed to-morrow, at twelve o'clock.
LOCAL ACTS BILL.

The report on this Bill was received, mad the Bill was
ordered to be read a third time t,-morrow, at twelve.
SLAVE TRADE (EQUATOR) BILL.
The Committ©e on this Bill was ordered to be pro-
ceeded with after the other orders of the day were dis-
posed of.
SLAVE-TRADE (MUSCAT) BILL.
The Committee on this Bill was ordered to be pro.
ceeded with after the other orders of the day were dis.
posed of.

DUBLIN POLICE BILL
This Bill was ordered to be read a third time after
,he other orders of the day were disposed of.

FEVER (IRELAND)-BILL.
The report on this Bill was received, and the Bill was
ordered to be read a third time to• morrow, at twelve
o'clock.

WESTMINSTER IMPROVENIENTS BILL.
This Bill went through Committee, and the report
was ordered to be received to-morrow, at twelve o'clock.
MONEY ORDER BILL.
The Lords' amendments to the Post-office Money
Order Bill were considered and agreed to.
The Rouse adjourned at Four to Six o'clock.

The House resumed at Six o'clock.
CHELTENHAM ELECTION.
Sir WILLIAM CLAY brought up the report of the
Cheltenham Election Committee, declaring Mr. C. F.
Berkeley to have been unduly elected, and the election
to be a void election.
POOR REMOVAL (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. CLEMENTS stated that it was not his intention
to persevere with this Bill, and the order for its committal
was directed to be discharged.
PETITIONS.
Sir C. LEMON presented a petition against the re-
moval of the duties on copper ore.
Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition from the
Reform League of England, praying for Par-
liamentary reform, and complaining that many
of the evils the country was at present suffering from
arose from a defective Parliamentary representation of the
people. The petition also prayed that the House
would be pleased to address the Throne, praying that
her Majesty would not prorogue Parliament till the
House had provided means to remove the distress which
petition from the
prevailedm throughout
r.wAKLEyptrhe eseknintegddo .
am
medical officer of a union in Pembrokeshire,
complaining of the conduct of the Poor-law
Commissioners. The Honourable Member also
presented a petition from four medical men of Worthing,
praying for the abolition of the Act of Charter to the
College of Surgeons.
VAN DIEMEN'S LAND.
Mr. ANSTEY withdrew his notice of motion respect-
ing Van Diemen's Land till next session.
IRISH DISTRESS.
In reply to a question from Sir L. O'BRIEN,
Lord J. RUSSELL observed that in the event of ex-
traordinary measures being required for Ireland, owing
to the visitation which appeared to threaten that coun-
try, her Majesty's Ministers would feel it to be their
duty to advise her Majesty to call Parliament together
again at a later period of the present year.—(Hear.)
TRIENNIAL PARLIAMENTS.
Lord D. STUART gave notice that early next ses-
sion he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to limit
the duration of Parliaments to three years.
DERBY ELECTION.
On the motion of Mr. NE WDEGATE it was ordered
that Mr. Speaker should issue his warrant to the Clerk
of the Crown to make out a new writ for the electing of
two burgesses to serve in this present Parliament for the
borough 9f Derby, in the room of the Right Hon. Fig ,

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Strutt and the Hon. E. F. L. Gower, whose election
been determined to be void.

US.
Mr. HAWE3, iuM ansA wer RITI
to Lord G. Bentinck, sajj
that the expenditure of the Isle of Mauritius in the Yell
1846 was 27,8701., and in the year 1847, 289,193/.; I'l.
the di;bursement made tor emigration in 1846 "i
46.498/., and in 1847, 50 2071.; that the reducties
taxati-n elfcctod in 1847, to the extent of 60,0001,"w
an absolute• reducti..ii and not a mere coturoututiooluo
taxes; that the balance in the island treasury an thethe
January, 1847, was 139,491/.; that the funds now 000,
hands of Mr. Bailie, the colonial ugent in 1-.°l3,iiio
amounted to 1,671/. cash, and 42,000/. iExchequern,e
that repeated: instructions had been sent out to w,
Governor of Mauritius for the further reductioatio:
expenditure; that Mr. Macaulay was the only gel'oel
mien receiving a salary connected with the Governalid
Bank of Mauritius, his salary being 1,0001. a Year'eltil
that the bank was not yet in operation; and, finally' bed
the late Auditor-',3eneral of Accounts at Mauritius up
been allowed to retire on his full salary, after ard het,
service, ever since 1815, his successor being Afr.—Led,
who, he believed, was, as the Noble Llrid saggel'ot
brother-iu•law to Sir William Gomm. Mr . Kee s ss'
was 800/.

FINANCIAL STATEMENT. tali
Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that toimorroli_kir
day) his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the eoi
chequer would at five o'clock make his annual ststeTio
of the income and expenditure of the country. 11°_,I,Add
that it would be convenient if, at a subsequent pen
tl4
the evening, the House would allow the Governteeso
take a resolution respecting a loan of 500,0001. t°enti
West Indies, reserving the statement on the subjects
the second reading of the Bill for the purpose. as
DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH ROME 'as
The order of the day for the House to go into
mittee on this Bill being read, ti nibe
Mr. MOORE said that the Hon. Baronet the sudoo
for Essex had grossly libelled the Irish Roman Ono!
priesthood, but the Hon. Member for Limerick
ere
still more grossly maligned them. That body had dil
been the strenuous advocates of order in Ireland, °lto
was very unjust to speak of them in other tests es
those of respect. He hoped the House would not
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sent to protract the discussion on the present Bufnid
would affirm the decision already come to with res,
to it. Oil
Sir J. TYRELL explained that he had oniYhil ioi
facts respecting the Roman Catholic priests whIel:100
cone to his knowledge, and which he was ready Or
at the bar.
is
Mr. MOORE rejoined that the language used Lit ta
Hon. Baronet was that the " vagabond priests onge b
be exterminated," and if that was not libellous lip
r
re
he did not know what words would be so conside
,:ipti
Mr. URQUHART opposed the Bill, and meill,i'" Is
that the Noble Lord (J. Russell) had given the o°,l'd
understand that the Bill would not be proceed Poi
during the present session, and upon that underaisil
numbers of Members had left London. wr fd
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Hon. MentLOS
Warwickshire had already denied having imputetth; 0
the conduct now brought forward as a charge "'
Hon. Member. 0/
Mr. SPOONER said the words he used were' 0
the course taken by the Government led the 11°,13,91611.0
infer they did not mean to proceed with the 0"
session.
Mr. URQUHART said that the objections w•h;;;0c0 !
took to the Bill were so strong, as to determine 'lOlO,
oppose and to retard its progress by every me° -cde"
power. The Noble Lord opposite had not concleger lot,
to notice the arguments of the Hon. Mel°, 1,13f0111
Youghal against the Bill, but had contented 71,
with saying that he had heard the opinions G' 00
Campbell and the Lord Chancellor, and they ha'n-cit°
tied him with respect to the measure. That was,;(lo
constitutional way of meeting the opposition offe'pre
that House to a Bill so importan star principle as then?
sent. For the reasons he had ed he should 14
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the further progress of the Bill. e acg
Mr. P. HOWARD said that the Bill had been vrTielitli
forward long before the events in France :had s-bssel
Europe to the centre, and therefore any objectiellf-die
upon such arguments fell to the ground. The °°,( 110
Secretary of State at Rome, on receiving a eoPte" so.
Bill from Dr. Wiseman, had written to that Itigu;„ f ...
Prelate stating the agreeable impression which its
rusal had left on the Pope's mind. It was not;0131
therefore, to state that the Bill was not acceptahleb'e or
see of Rome. Ele regretted the introdnction of St yrd,
cond clause in the Bill, which imposed on a °° tort
powerful state a condition not exacted from tuebto'
powerful states of Europe. What would be thoul, ge:
a law forbidding the Emperor of Russia to set:" i 0,
neral officer as ambassador to this country, 'lot)
should attempt to tamper with the army?—(Hear',A frill
He (Mr. Howard) hoped that hostility to the °"`" bor
had so much died away as to prevent any greats tbi
tility being exhibited towards this Bill through°'
coun' ry.
Dr. POWER supported the Bill. He bad the 11-„°o°,o°ol'til
to represent a constituency of 800,000 persons, 7" sill
of whom were Roman Catholics, and although the re,
had been five months before the public, he had n°:iiiti
ceived a single communication expressive of host
to it.
Mr. 11. DRUMMOND complained of the condticlo°l:
the Hun. and Learned Member f Lire- - ~k in re•Or

,er for Limerick a.- f' tle
ing a debate on a question, that of the principle onare
Bill, which had been already settled. As to the Cle no,
of adding to ecclesiastical power, from some of its el!rd
nents, it should be remembered that from the &Pio
Constantine down to the present day, the constant bs
of the clergy of all denominations had been to cajole
coerce the laity by every means in their power. Tj
Bill had also been 01-jected to as a means of goverte
Ireland through a foreign power. No difficulty eooi
arise in that direction; the real difficulty in; goverei
Ireland arose from the agitation which so long hadtjri,
sailed in that country. The Hon. Member here
several extracts from speeches and letters of Irish r:of
siastics and laymen, illustrative of his assertion, 40'41
chided by saying that the true way of curing these 70,
was by taking every fair and constitutional mode
taching the Roman Catholic portion of our felloWst'ote,
jects, and more especially their clergy, to the
With these views he should support the Bill. 00!
Sir R. INGLIS said, the Noble Lord at the b 0
.01
the Government had had a pretty fair intimatl.o 0
the
what was the Protestant feeling of the country a‘roosr
subject. Not one petition had been presented in :ed,s
of the Bill, while hostile petitions had been presemot,
500 of the parochial clergy. The Noble Lord ,ice;
hardly hope to pass the Bill during the present ee'ol#
and even if he did, was he sure it would be aece,P it;
to the Sovereign Pontiff, for whose service it,
,_ll,tissp/
tended?—(Hear, hear.) Or had the Noble .11‘i 0';
hope that when the Bill became law Rome walll7.'oo/,
a ruler in a condition to avail himself of its pret%is
Looking to the merits of the Bill itself, looitiPle,
state of Europe, and the period of the session a' 00'
it was sought to force the Bill through yarlia°l
felt bound to give it every opposition in his coney' eFf,
Lord H. VANE considered that it was big", olf 148
dient that this couniry, looking at the nue:lberia 1)01'
Roman Catholics amongst its population, ell" ,ecre
an accredited agent at Rome. For this reason be "
give the Bill his cordial support.
Mr. NEWDEGATE believed that the ohjecnte
measure was to obtain the influence of the -P°,,r oftb
the Roman Catholic clergy of Ireland in fav°Toteb°:f
Government, an object which they had the beevree
rity for saying it would not effect. The autb°ite
tba
the Crown should be maintained in accordance wepti‘ie
principles of the constitution, and not by the interne P
of any foreign power whether temporal or spirits
should oppose the measure. A dell
Sir H. W. BARRON supported the Bill, allengo
that it would give any power to the Pope in te
thif
matters in Ireland.
est
Mr. ROBINSON, as a merchant, denied t- bto
measure was necessary for commercial purposes,:
been stated by the Noble Lord. As the law etu;saii,t
commerce of the Roman States was as much °`
British merchants as it would be under this
the
Though it might be deemed factious to Ogr, eit
principle of the measure after the second row:110i,
fault lay with the Government, who had delaYe,,ts f(
brought into Parliament in February till this Orl
riod of the session. If Government could 031)01;
practical inconvenience that would result fr°111„go
poning the Bill till next session he would fer'„,lo'',
opposition; but in the absence of any such exelnoe;
and looking at the present state of the affairs in
tarty
he felt justified in appealing to the House to ear
amendment. the
Mr. NAPIER urged the propriety of postpea.il:gfibl
measure until another session. It was most ullfaiirel.l3,4
other and more important measures, as far as tb
was concerned, had been deferred merely bece% Orr-,
might occasion some discussion, to insist tiP°ll„od
sure which be contended was useless for any g" at 11,0
pose, and in favour of which the only argaT:ods ;
vanced was, that it was necessary to give tratatir, iersi
Italy.—(Flear, hear.) Preferring as he did 70elti3-0
ests of Ireland to those of Italy, he must protest stfc"of
Irish Members being kept in town to discae,oat
Bill as this, while and when measures Mi. 101
which there was almost general concurrence, ,td bred
calculated to confer benefits on their country, m" A
abandoned for want of time, toed
a
f
Lord PALMERSTON said that the Hon. and ""hebs
Gentleman was defeating the object he declared co
in view by standing in the way of going intoattl
mittee on this Bill, because if he succeeded in echoed
it off till next session, there would be the less sled
of those other measures in which he was 'lli-alai/a'
being passed.--(Cheers.) Of all the extea°ooo7";
debates he (Lord Palmerston) ever heard that e>
the present was the most so ; for almost ever 0130:
who opposed the Bill did so upon grounds
the ,
different from, but absolutely conflicting with',_ in le
ments of the Hon. Gentleman who preceded him he 0..
position to it.—(Hear, hear.) If there coule_ovtio
proof more strong than another that nothieFL:citoualri
said against the Bill, it was to be found in 00 ece,s,
stance that Hon. Gentlemen had discussed .
imaginable question but the one involved
in 16 dlord
musty theology, feudal history, Irish distreseve,rytio
and tenant, grievances of the Irish clergy
__
in fact, but the poor Bill itself, which was ~
plain and simple that no one had ventured
__a..1540010,4
against it.—(Cheers and laughter.) The. ttr,,ndeoceo,ud
for Youghal said it would destroy the way:, it 10,10
the Pope. Another Honourable Membefsergonouretube
destroy the prerogative of the Crown. va
riureomtebse,:ncto
religion,n, n ed tthhaatti
itt wouldwouid
ebie,
rodoetstfrthruect4ied.dotew.tiii°.,e°
of the Protestant institutions of the country, and
ee.:
name of Protestant England not to pass b" Oleg
ured the Id fa7A
those opinions he adj
sure, the
that it would prove a fatal blow toe
while another Honourable Gentlemse caeca;
object of
sits
tb
Church, observing that if that were th
nal laws 40
Government they ought to re-enat church pf eu we
01
and effect the downtal of that by ukiLie
acid the parties of
el
leave those two Bon. Gentlemen a .fser
at:d not by such an insidious measure as this- et th
represented in that House to fight their Millie •