The Sun.
London, England, 1846-06-17 00:00:00

GROUP X 111

CALEDONIAN EXTENSION.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition.)

Mr. Bell Telfer, cross-examined for landowners—The principal
portion of the Sanquhar coal-field was within a mile of the harbour
of Ayr. The Blackhouse field was still nearer to Ayr. About seven-
eighths or the coal shipped at Ayr was supplied by Mr. Gordon, who
worked all the fields in the immediate neighbourhood.
Cross•examined by Mr. ANnasws, for the Kilmarnock and Ayr
Railway—The Caledonian Company had promised the harbour
trustees the loan of 10,0001. for the improvement of the harbour, pro-
vided they gave their support to the Bill before the Committee.
He was not aware that there was a much greater quantity of
guano and salt brought down to Ayr from Glasgow than imported
direct into Ayr from Liverpool.

Mr. James Patton. builder and timber-merchant, resident in Ayr,
examined by Mr. BAYLE—Between 7,000 and 8,000 tons
of American timber wore annually imported into Ayr.
ureat proportion of that quantity was sent into this country In the
direction of the proposed railway for building purposes. There had
Leen a considerable demand lately for wood in the neighbourhood
of Muirkirk on account of the erection of iron works In
that locality. A great quantity of friez stone was annually
exported from Ayr, which was brought from a quarry about a
mile from the town. The supply was not, however, equal to the
demand, on account of the want of railway communication to the
eastward. Guano In great quantities was imported into Ayr
every year, most of which was sent into the interior of the
country. The present line of railway along the coast to
Glasgow did not accommodate the, interior of the county of Ayr. lie
considered the construction of the present scheme would be of the
greatest benefit to that district of country.
The witness was cross-examined at great length Hy Sir Thomas
Putties, to show that the quantity of timber sent from Ayr along the
line of the proposed railway was very inconsiderable, but nothing of
Importance was elicited.

Mr. Thomas Gemmel, editor of the Ayr Advertiser, was next ex-
amined—The revenue cf the Ayr barisour had been increasing gra-
dually for the last three years. Last year it had amounted to
1,7004 The number of vessels which came Into this harbour during
14:5 was 1,146. The entire amount of Custom-house duties was
1100/. per annum. The general feeling among the inhabitants of Ayr
was decidedly in'favour of the proposed railway.
Cross-examined—Hc believed there was only one meeting of the
Town Council in favour of the Caledonian Extension, and the general
fabling was In favour of the line. The dues he had given of the
Harbour of Ayr for the three years were the gross receipts. The
authorities and the public of Ayr were decidedly in favour of the
present line.

Cross-examined by Sir T. PHILLIPS, for the Glasgow and Ayr Corn-
pany—The viewin which the Town Council bad considered the pre-
sent line was the advantage of it for the through traffic from Ayr and
Glasgow.

Mr. Adam Hunter, merchant, of Ayr, deposed that he carried ou a
large business as a general merchant. He had purchased a consi-
derable amount of wool along the route of the present line, and if it
were formed It would he a great accommodation for that kind of
goods. Wool from Muirkirk cost about his. a ton carriage. Corn
was often brought to Ayr from Edinburgh and Leith, the latter
the principal Scotch port for Baltic grain. Were
Zline formed there would be great advantage to
ugthrtain_ e, as, since the Edinburgh and Glasgow Company had
Corn „Z.:nth° e canal, freights by that route had risen a great deal.
from !roan,
•,f,,,i.heoe believed, Its. a ton carriage. He imported grain
the neighbour! naiderable portion of which went up to Latrine and
Therez-irs no doubt that a great number of pas-
sengers went from Ayr to
The witness wafiseicalrol7-tenfxolirmmnibn 7d:Whith the object of showing that
he was but super
referred to, when eu to the details of the traffic he
The Committee adjourned tin to-morrow at twelve o'clock.

LIVERPOOL, 032.11.25K1R1L, axa
(Continued from our Afternoon Editiori"P4ii."6.ll*
Mr. Cornelius NiChOlson, Mayor of Kendali, anii a r„
their Lancaster and Carlisle Railway—This line 41,%—r of
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which would give such material accommodation to ,11:
country, especially by its branch to Blackburn, that its
importance could nut be Sufficiently estimated. [lad often
travelled over the North Union line, and was of opinion that the
accommodation afforded by it was by no means sufficient for the
rapidly increasing traffic, even at Preston. There was not sufficient
room on the rails for all the trains which arrived, so that an engine,
which had just arrived, had to run into the adjacent tunnel, and
remain there a quarter of an hour, and sometimes twenty minutes,
until annoottiter train had passed. Its had heard that last year there
were
believed ss
than
60,000
passengers from Liverpool to Scotland. Ile
that that number of ass
opened would take advantage p would, when the lines were
very much in favour of its formation,
of the railway. The inhabitants were
t
r
Other evidence of a similar n
a
'she Committee adjourned until e was then adduced.
ltwelve o'clock to-morrow.

GROUP XVII.
The Committee resumed its sittings this morning at twelve o'clock
the lion. E. Yorke In the chair.

MANCHESTZE AND SOUTHAMPTON.

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Air. Bidder was cross-examined at great length by the opposing
counsel, with respect to the stations, level crossings, landowners,
&c. In the course of his examination it was elicited, that the r osi-
tons of the erdinary stntions had not been decided upon, but that
trig class stations had been erected at Rotusey, Andover,
Marlborough, Cirencester, and Swindon, the cost of which
wont" vary from 2,0001. to 12,0001. He confidently anticipated that
the expense of constructing the stations would he defrayed in the
course of time by the rent which would be derived from farmers
using the granaries which would be constructed in connexion with
them. He could not say whether arrangements had been entered
into to the amount of 100,00 e/. to neutralize the opposition of land-
owners ; it was not within his province to answer such a question ;
Cut, speaking for himselt; he might say that landowners would re-
ceive fair compensatie n for ally property which might he required
to the purposes of the line. The expense of erecting another station
at Southampton was perfectly justified by the wants of the Inha-
bitants. He considered that the line would be of advantage
to Mr. Moburn, Mr. Bovill, and Mr. Marriott, landowners,
near whose property the line will pass at Southampton ; but if they
were injured they would be amply compensated by the Company.
The junction with the South-Western at Romsev, in order to obtain
access to Portsmouth, would be effected (as the existing line is 17
feet higher than the Manchester and Southampton at that point) by
two sidings rising about 1 in 50—one a half and the other.a quarter
et a mile in length, and the cost probably 3,000/. To have avoided
the lan,t of Mr. Genler and Mr. Everett would have entailed upon
the promoters the necessity of leaving Andover out of their route, and
the selection of a line more expensive, less convenient by being longer,
and in addition, with objectionable gradients.
s•exolutuect by Mr. JA.xiii—Mr. Maberley, a 1911CitOr, at BGuttl-

ampton, who opposed the line because it would pass his house on an
embankment. Formerly supported a line which wasintended to pa s
in a similar manner. The tramways along the pier, at Sout,ampton,
would not inconvenience persons using the pier, either for the pur-
poses of business or pleasure, besides a satisfactory arrangement had
been made with the trustees. The wishes of the landowners would
be met as much as possible within the limits of deviation.
In reply to questions from the Committee, the witness said If the
works were commenced at once that he would undertake to complete
it in two years and a half—from Southampton to Andover could be
completed In a year.
The CnAram.aN suggested that 'for Ithe future the et oss-exami-
nation of the witnesses should be so arranged that one Counsel should
cross-examine the witnesses with respect to the engineering, and
the other with respect to the landowners.
The opposing Counsel intimated that the suggestion, although sur-
rounded with difficulties, would meet with their earnest attention.
Some discussion then ensued with respect to the Committee visiting
Southampton, in order to inspect the pier, and the relative po,ition.s
of the two stations.
Mr. HILL intimated that the South-Western would be happy to
put a special train at the service of the Committee.
The Cuatasseri said it was not the intentiono
Committee to visit Southampton. Ile was going laiomleptoofiltbhye
the nine o'clock train on Saturday morning, and should be happy to
meet the parties at Southampton in order to inspect the pier. He
should also be glad, If possible, to see the property of Mr. Everett,
tfothSoeutwh
at Appleshaw.
Mr. Hawkshaw, C.E._examine
d by Mr. GURNET—Hadisurveyed
the line, and he considered it was judiciously laid out, and would
meet the concurrence of the districts it would traverse. Ile was
also satisfied with the sufficiency of the estimates, and of the de-
sirability of the station at Southampton. The tramway's on the pier
would not be objectionable. The course of the Andover canal was
advantageous, inasmuch as it would not interfere with pri-
vate property, and was the most direct course that
could be adopted. The line to Andover could be com-
pleted in twelve months. The line could be carried underneath
the Great Western at Swindon without interfering with the free
working of the line. The heaviest works on the line were at the
Coteswold hills, which were to be tunnelled; but they presented no
questions
nbsy
engineering difficulty, and the gradients were extremely good, con-
sideringMrT.hieiawthitenretossn.w c
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he stated that the line, if prevented Vrom making its proposed ter-
minus, and obliged to use the terminus of the South-Western, would
yet be an advisable scheme; but
if the proposed station were not
made, the • line would Buffer from not having communication with
file pier.