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London, England, 1846-05-05 00:00:00

, assembly to speak upon such subject, he had venturedonceto
express some opinions of his own, and he observed the next
day that it was stated that he -had entered into a commercial
case about the balance of trade. Now he entirely dissented
from the idea that they could fight with hostile tariffs ;
and duties upon imposts, in his opinion, if they ‘N er e not met
by counterrai:ing dutit s, were a tax upon the industry of the
country.—( hear. hear,) If they did not meet hostile tariffS
with hostile tariffs there would be a t ransmission of gold. He
had not the slightest doubt that if they did not do so they
would pursue a policy which would be a poison to this country:
Tne Right Honourable Baronet had turned round and said
that if they did not adopt his policy they would be met by the hos-
tile tariff of France. Of course he could not suppose that the
commercial transactions with that country could produce:any ef-
fect upon the currency of the country, which was at -this
moment in the least describable position of any in the world.
The Right. Hon. Baronet had said that the reciprocating-
' policy would benefit these counties in a considerable degree.
Now he (Mr. Disraeli) was perfectly willif'ee to admit to war
indignant economist who might rise in defence of low price'Sr
that high prices certainly produced great inconvenience. Witfo'
said there was any advantage in high prices ?—(Hear, hear.)
But the effect of low prices would act injuriously upon a
country that was at present immensely involved in public debt,
and whose private debts were scarcely less considerable.:—
( Hear, hear.) New, lie was only noticing—he was not pre—
tending to argue the question at the present moment.—(A&%
Hon Member on the Opposition benches " Hear.") Well, het`
was quite ready to enter into the question then, if they-
wished ; but he was merely alluding to some observations of
the Right. Hon. Baronet.—(Hear, hear.) He really thought
it too cool a pass for the Right Hon. Baronet, not only to
change his opinions, but to meet every thing that was opposed
to his arguments with the cry of " absolutely absurd.".-...
(Ikar. hear.) Now he remembered—he was not going to
quote a protectionist, nor even a conservative, in fact it was
very difficult to quote the opinions of a Conservative, for'a
Conservatism was so indefinite a term—(Hear, hear, and
laughter)—but he remembered a gentleman some years ago—
a really ingenious economist, and even a Member of
that House, and one who had produced the budget
of the Noble Lord, a budget which had been so willingly
accepted. His (Mr. Disraeli's) attention had been called to
this subject, and although it might be said that the argument
had died away amongst popular assemblies, it had not die 4
away amongst students who were free from the passions. oL.
either France, Italy, or England. The greatest economists ct
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were not influenced on the question on which he had written
by apolitical bias. And what was the conclusion to which he
has come on the subject of commercial interchadge between
different nations? That it was impossible for any country to
meet hostile tariffs by any other course than that of adopting
say, no. N
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quoted. He believed that this country could not carry on her
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sent restrictive system, they would furni,h more labour to the
poor of this country ; and that if an opposite system were
adopted they would be afflcted with a depre'sion in wages
—(H.•ar, hear)—and an accompanying diminution of pro-
fits. Now, he was very sensible of the late hour at which
he was addre.,sing the House.—( Hear.) The discussion had
been brought on most unexpectedly as regarded himself. He
was very gltel that the Noble Lord had made the observations
which had fallen from him. The observations which had
fallen from the Right Hon. Baronet could not in his (Mr.
Disraeli's) opinion be anything more than a random flash of
rhetoric. —( Hear, hear.) When another opportuity occurred
for meeting the great argument, he was sure that he would not
shrink from fighting that great battle in which they were en-
gaged.—( Cheers.)
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw.
No division hoe ever took place.
On our re-admission into the gallery, we found that the
House had resolved itself into a Committee.
Upon Clause 1 being put from the chair,—
Lord G. BEN TINCK moved that the 'Chairman do report
progress, and ask leave to sit again.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, when there appeared
In favour of the motion B5
Against the motion •••• 181
Majority -----96
On our re-admission into the gallery, we found
The CHAMNIAN putting the question, that the blanks in
the first clause be filled up.
Mr. LAWSON then moved that the Chairman do report
progress, and not sit again.—( Laughter, )
The Committee again divided, when there appeared—
For the motion ~. 55
Against it
166
Majority
—lll
Mr. PACKS moved that the Speaker do now leave the
chair.—( Cries of " Divide, divide.")
Mr. CHARLES BULLER thought it but just to the
House to come to some understanding as to the mode of con-
ducting this debate en the clauses. He thought it was not
necessary for Hon. Members on the other side of the House
to resort to this system of dividing, without it was really neces-
sary to their case. He understood from the lion. Members
that they would not adopt the mode of opposition that was not
directly necessary, and he hoped the House would come to
some regulation on the matter.

Colonel SIBTHORP said that it was not fur his side of
the House to know what was the understanding of the
Honourable Gentleman who had just sat down. It was
not because the other side of the House did not consider it
interesting to them that they were to give up any line of policy
they might think proper to adopt.--( Cries of " Question.)
He had moved for some returns, and they were not produced
by the Right Hon. Baronet—( Question, question.) They
were on the question, and it was for them to divide, and they
would see who was right.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the
returns would be furnished the Hon. and Gallant Member;
but they required some time to make out.
Mr. ROEBUCK said, if they were to go into Committee
they had better do so at once.
Sir R. PEEL said he supposed that the Noble Lord, in
moving that the Speaker do leave the chair, meant that no
further progress should be made with the measure to night.
Now he would ask why should they not go on?—(Cries of
" Go on, go on.")
After a few words from Messrs. Ewart, Packe, and Dr.
Bowring,

Lord'orEOßGE BENTINCK said be could not see why any
objection should be raised to-night to his moving that the
debate should not be proceeded with, when he remembered an
instance very recently, mil en a Minister of the Crown, under
the very same circumstances, moved the adjournment of the
debate at three minutes past twelve o'clock.—( Hear, hear. )
Now, he bad a motion before the House, in respect to Canada,
for tomorrow; but he would not. give way now unless he
should be assured that he would have Thursday for that dis-
cussion.

Sir R. PEEL said, that as far as the Government or him.
self were concerned, he was perfectly willing to oblige the
Noble Lord by a postponement until Thursday, but he could
not control the decision of the other Hon. Members. _ _

Lord G. BENTINCK said, that if Thursday was allowed
to him he was perfectly willing to give way to-morrow.
Mr. MILNER GIBSON made a few observations which
did not reach the gallery.
Mr. MILES said that he had collected some information es
to the present position of Canada, from a Canadian newspaper,
and from that information, and other circumstances, he was
impressed with a belief that ample time should `be given for a
full investigation of any measure that might affect this colony.
After an ob•ervation from Sir R. PEEL, which did not
reach the gallery,

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Lord G. BEN TINCK said that he thought that they were
t'utitled to have ;he Poot-law Removal Bill read a second time,
before proceeding with the Corn Bill.—(Oh, oh.)
Mr. BANK ES said that there was no intention on his part,
or on the pari, of his Hon. Friend, to oppose the Poor-law
Removal Bill. The only complaint they had to find with it
was that it did not go far enough.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that it could not be brought on irn
mediately.
Mr. BANKES said it was necessary that some time should
be allowed, as the Bill gave a considerable increase to
ob-
jection pow ers
to
of t
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After some further conversation,
principleimr-1 a Poor-law
f them Bill.i
allow the second reading ssioners. There was no
Law Settlement Bill to
of the Poor Law
the discussion thebe taken as a matter of course, and take
House going into Committee on the Bill. on
Mr. BANKES thought there could be no objection to
motion for the
Sir JAMES GRAHAM had no objection to an arrange-
ment into Committee,
made that s o that he
'net of this kind, providing that some time would be allowed
make use
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gooyin suggestions mightbetween
to o ni
be considered advisable to incorporate in the Bill.
After a few words from Mr..l. ABEL SMITH, the Chair.
man reported progress, and obtained leave to sit ' again
to-
morrow.

POOR REMOVAL BILL.
On the motion of Sir JAMES GRAHAM this Bill was
read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Friday next.
POLLING PLACES (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. MACARTHY brought up the report on this Bill, awl
said he had prepared a clause to the effect that each voter
should vote in the township from which he derived his qualifi•
cation.

The report, with the amendment, was received and agreed to,

MR. CHARLES BULLER.

Mr. HAWES moved that Mr. Charles Buller have leave
to attend as counsel before the House of Lords.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought'
that it would be expedient that some precedent should be had
for such a practice, because it would be derogatory to the dig-
nity of the House if an Hon. Member were to appear as counsel
for a Bill in one place and to vote for that Bill in that House.
Mr. CHARLES BULLER thought it was rather hard that
Members could have a vote on matters affecting' their direct
interest, when, he as counsel, would be much less interested.
In his case, however, the Bill had already passed the House of
Commons, and he did not, therefore, see why he should be pre .
eluded from exercising his profession of a barrister in another
place.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained.
Sir J. GRAHAM said, that in a matter of such vast im-
portance he would suggest that the Speaker ascertain whether
any precedents existed to guide the House in a decision of that
nature.
Mr. HAWES said he would withdraw his motion for the"
present.
The motion was then withdrawn.
The House adjourned at half-past One o'clock.

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