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RAILWAY COMMIrrEES.
(YESTERDAY.)

GEOI7P, No. 9.
This Group met for the first time to-day at twelve o'clock. Ment-
he:* present, Lord Worsley, chairnian, Mr. Spooner, Mr. Milne,
(Makell, Mr.-Archbold, and Mr. Thomas Austen.
Immediately on the ' assembling of the Coinmittee the room was
cleared in orderto arrange the order of the business.
On our re-admission,
The CHAIRMAN said the Committee • had decided to enter into the
merits of opposed Bills only, and to refer all unopposed Bills to the
Chairman of Ways and Means. They would wish to ascertain what
Bills were opposed and .what Were not, and were also desirous that
the Learned Gentlemen Would arrange among themselves the order
in which the Bills should be taken.
The fbllowing are the Bills in the Group, distinguishing-those who
are opposed from the unopposed
Caledonian (Glasgow Termini and Branches—opposed).
Edinburgh and Glasgow Amendment and Branches (opposed).

Glasgow Terminus and Glasgow Harbour (opposed).
Glasgow Harbour Mineral (opposed)..

Glasgow, Garnkirk, and COa;-bridge. (unopposed).
Glasgow, Pais 'and. Greenock (PoHoc and Govan brancheo)—op-

After some conversation, it was agreed that the Committee should
take the Edinburgh and Glasgow Amendment and Brandies first in
order, as being the least opposed, there being- only one petition against
it, signed by by Mr. Denny, a gentleman, residing at Port Dundas,
near Glasgow, and 15 others. Messrs. Austin, Talbot, and M`lleile
appeared for the Bill, and Messrs. Hope and Forsyth for•the pe-
titioners. .

Mr. M'Xeile briefly opened the case for the Bill, stating that there
were three objects to be sought, first, a branch to connect the main
line with the Queensferry on the Frith of Forth, six miles and a half
in length. Sezond, a deviation to avoid two sharp curves in a branch
for which a Bill was obtained last session to connect the main line
with the south side of the Clyde ; and third, a branch line from Port
Dundas at the Forth and Clyde Canal Basin, down to the
river Clyde. The latter was the only opposed portion.
It was opposed by Mr. Denny, a distiller, and fifteen or sixteen
others; who had signed the petition on the allegation that the branch
would run along the toWing path of the canal, bet Ween the distillery
and their several works and the basin of the canal, thereby inter-
fering with the.communication between the works of the petitioners
and the iavigition.

Mr. Miller, civil engineer, was first examined, and having briefly
given evidence on the unopposed portions of the Bill, deposed as to
the opposed. branch: It was in his opinion the best that could.
sente..pc_tratnq_ J.ba canal. Anti railwikv.
rat of the works at fort Dunda.s.
by horse power, he did rot think there would be much, if any, in-
convenience to these works in cleslug the line of rails. It has to be
a single line of rail, and the horses, he believed, would uot move
beyond a walking pace.
In cross-examinatlon, the witness gave it as his decided opinion,
that the north side of the canal, on which the branch was proposed
to be constructed, was the one best adapted for all the purposes
sought ; and that very little, if any, Inconyenience.wonld accrue to
the petitioners from its construction. The branch would be of the
greatest service in bringing goods from the canal down to the
Broomiclaw harbour, and in taking minerals from of the railway
on to the-canal. ; -
Mr. William Anderson-was briefly examined as to the traffic. This
he set down at 25,000 tons; all of which he calculated would come
from the canal, the harbour, and the railways on the south. side of
the harbour.
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This closed the case for the promoters.
Mr. llopE, on the part of the petitioners, said he would postpone
his observations till the close, and would now proceed to call the
witnesses on behalf of his case.
Mr. B. Kyle, land `surveyor, was briefly examined as to the in-
Convenience of, the branch to the distilleries, glass works, and other
public works on the banks of the canal. The traffic along it would
be very great, and it would be difficult for carts and other traffic
to go over it.
Mr. warren, glass worker, gave evidence to the same effect.
These witnesses were shortly cross-examined, but nothing very
material was elicited beyond the admission that if the traffic on the
branch was properly regulated, the incerivenience would be very
much reduced. • _

The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow at twelve o'clock.

The Committee nominated by the Committee of Selection to con-
sider and ascertain the merits of the Bins comprised in Group 14
assembled for the first time this morning in room No. 16, a small
apartment about the size of an attic or a back parlour. The Com-
mittee 'consisted of Mr. E. Protheroe (chairman), Lord Emlyn, Mr.
Grogan, General Lygon, and Mr. John O'Connell. The Bills com-
prised in the group were--
Kent Atmospheric Railway.
North Kent Railway.
South-Eastern (Canterbury to Dover).
South-Eastern (Chislet to Margate).
South-Rastern (Greenwich to Chart, near Ashford, with branches to
Tonbridge and Riverhead).
South-Eastern (Greenwich to Chilham, near Canterbury, with
branches to Sheerness and Faversham-creek).
South-Eastern (Maidstone to Strood, near Rochester).
Dover and Deal.
The CIIAIRMAN intimated before the business of the day was
entered upon, that Mr. Gossett inten led to apply for the use of one
of the Vice-Chancellor's Courts for this Committee, and the parties
would therefore only have to put up with the inconvenience of the
present room for a single clay,. .
NORTH RENT RAILVIIIT.

The first line called on was the North Kent.
The counsel who appeared for the promoters were Mr. Talbot, Mr.
Sergeant Wrongham, Mr. Sergeant Murphy, Sir Walter Riddle, and
Mr. Colestone.
The counsel who appeared for the South-Eastern Company, who
are promoters of a competing line, were Mr. Austin, Mr. Cock-
burn, Mr. Alexander, and Mr. Laing.
The Gravesend and Rochester Railway and Canal, the Mayor,
Corporation, and Citizens of the city of London, the Commissioners
of the Medway Navigation, the Commissioners for improving the
town of Maidstone, the Trustees for improving the Surrey roads, the
Governors of St. Thomas's Hospital, the Trustees of the Feversham
roads,. the Surrey Canal Company. the Trustees of the New-Cross
roads,' the Justices, &c., of East Kent, the Commissioner of the
Southwark Court of Requests, and several other large and important
bodies put in appearances against the Bill.
SOUTH-EASTERN (GREENWICH TO CHART,
N EAR ASHFORD, WITH. BRANCHES TO IRON,
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BRIDGE AND RIVERHEAD.
The next line was the Greenwich Railway to Chart.
The counsel who appeared for the promoters were Mr. Austin, Mr.
Cockburn, Mr. Merewether, and Mr. Laing.
The counsel who opposed it were Mr. Talbot, Mr. Sergeant
Wrangliam, gr. Sergeant Murphy, air Walter Biddle, and Mr.
ColestOile.
Appearances were also entered against the Bill for the London and
Croydon Hallway Company, the Grand Surrey Canal Company, and
other large and important public bodies.
SOlrra-EASTERN (GREI
CHILEILM).

:CH TO

The 15:1?110 counsel appeared for and Againit this Bill as in the
ftat. cacti.
SOUTH—EASTERN (CANTERBURY TO
DOVER)*

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SOYSTII-171.A.STERN (MAIDSTONE TO
STROOD).

Counsel as before. It Wad aIFO opposed by the Kent Atmospheric
Company.
SOUTEC•MASTER.TI (CIIISMEIT TO
MARGATn).

SENT ATINTOSPIIMZIC.
The next line called on was the Kent Atmospheric.
The counsel who appeaed for the• promoters were Mr. Talhotat%
Wllimore, and Mr. Mellor. : •

The counsel of the South-Eastern Company opposed it.
Appearances against the Bill were entered for several landowners
and occupiers on the line, as well as for the Ecclesiastical Commis-
sioners of lingland.

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• DOVER AND DEAL.
This lino was not called on, because the parties had not given seven
clear days' notice of the intention to go into Committee.
The CHAllmsx then stated that, owing to the crowded And !neon-
yenient state of the room, the Committee were not disposed to pro.
ceed further in their labours to-day.
Mr. si.'ergeint MuMlrr presumed, then, that the first proceeding
of the Committee to-morrow would be to hear his Learned Friend,
Mr. Sergeant Wratigham's opening, on behalf of the North Kent line.
The CHAIRMAN asked •if the parties had made arrangements
amongst themselves upon this point, in Accordance with the sug-
gestion of the Chairman of Committees.
This question was replied to in the negative ; but it WAS ultimately
agreed that the North Kent should be taken first to-morrow, together
with the enmpetiug schemes of the Forth-Bastern Company, from
Greenwich to Chtlharn, from Chilliam to Canterbury, and from Can-
terbury to Dover.
The Committee then adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow.

Mr. O'Connell, Chairman. Mr. Mackinnon, Captain Hatton, Mr.
Ilincliey, and. Sir lt. Price, came shortly atter twelve o'clock.
Appearances were first taken on all the liill9 to come before the
Committee. • . .

The Unopposed Bills, the South-Eastern, Ashford Station, and the
South-Eastern, Rye to Rye Harbour, were then referred to the care
of Mr. Greene, the Chairman of the Committee of Ways and Means.
BRIGHTON AND LEWIS AND masTszross
DEVIATIONS AND BILANCIIES.
The counsel for the Company (Mr. Bill and INI r. Austin) called
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the neighbouring towns.
Others were called to speak to the coat of executing the work, and.
purchasing the land.
As none apperred to oppose, the CilliestAN said the ComMittee
odd report the prrambie of the Bill proved.
;01LITII-EASTBRN (TUNBRIDGE WELLS TO
rt-STINGS AND RYE).
Mr. Ausrm, for the Company, took an objection at euce against
the
Mr. 11111 being heard for the Brighton Rail say Company against
Bill. lie said the one lino came from 'Ambridge to Hastings, and
the other, from Brighton, met it at the sant., town, and lie contended
they were not competing lines. ...-
Mr. Hum contended that the coast line of the Brighton line baying
been made the two lines were competing.
The Committee decided they were net.
Station Enlargement).
soTuthile.Efoallsotwerinng(Aisstishoeigjoup of Bills to corao before this Coxamittee
ad).
Loudon and aatsitderliiir(igGh)tdosnto(nEea:aGurionnsttoetidEm:Bitrtao_nrc_ihnsa)ike:r
on Branches).
South-Eastern (Rye to Bye Harbour).
Brighton and Chichester (tiognor and L Hen
South-Eastern
(Tunbridge Wells to Hastings and Rye).
Chichester and Bognor.
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d Eastbourne, Hallsh am,
Brighton an
Seaford. mid Newhaven Branches.
Brigh ton, LedwCesh,lachndesitfearsggeSs
Mr. Aunts then proceeded to open the merits of
the line froth
London to Tonbridge 'and Hastings, being in all 65 miles. It is In-
tended to proceed by Rochester, Maidstone, Tunbridge, Canterbury,
Sheerness, and Queenborough. Mr. Austin thought this committee.
tion with the towlts of Mid Kent would at' once commend the line
to the Committee. Any opposition to be expected was
from certain
bondholders on turnpikes and froth Si ' Sir Godfrey Webster, but he
thought it unnecessary to take up
the time by speaking to it.
Mr. Kroaks, corn-dealer in Tyeehurat, was examined in reference
to the traffic in that neighbourhood. Hia son was in the habit of
Bening as many as 70 quarters of corn a week in Tyeentirst, and he
was sure that the means ofsending their ' t t,O London would
pro .ue
be a very great advantage.
The Rev. Mr. Wetherall, vicar of Lamberhurst, cerrcrliorated the
last witness.
Mr. Jelin Smith; Hitchenham, gave evidence showing that it
would be a very great advantage to those engaged in fattening_
cattle to have the proposed lint constructed through that country,
connecting it with the London market. . ,
Mr. Barlow, the enginger„ Was examined. as to the length of the
branches. lie said, the geological nature of the"couhtryr along. the
line was Hastings' Sendetone,which.was well adapted to cuttings and'
embankments, the next best to chalk.„ There would be 11,i miles of
tunnelling on the whole line, occurring where it approached Tun-
bridge, the Wadhurst ridge, and Mountlield. The ruling gradient
would he one in 132. Mr. Barlow estimated the total cost of the line
at 640,030/.
31r. Him., on the part of Lord Liverpool,
prOceeded to. cross-
examine the witness as to the details of the cost, and the diStances of
:' places en the line.
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. Air. Barlow said the present projected .line between Hastings ,and
Tunbridge did neit differ half a mile at any part from a line thrown
out by the Board of Trade last year. The present line was intended'
to cross Lord Liverpool's Lidham estates, in the form of the two legs
of a triangle, mecting.the Hastings and Ashford. Line, which cuts off
the triangular space entirely.
Mr. IIILI finished his examination for Lord Liverpool, and the
Committee'postponed heariiig any further till to morrow.
Yr. now for the landholders, and Mr. Hill for Sir Godfrey Webster,
proceed with the'exantination of witnesses to-morrow.

Sab-Conunittee No. 4.
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The Committee met at twelve o'clock; present, Sir W. Heathcote,
Chairman, Mr. a. Johnstone, and Mr. Acland.
aItdIIIIIO7I3I3,WAXIBEIETZ), AND gvzinuomp,

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• • The object of this line is to form a direct line of communication be-
tween Bradford and Wakefield, joining the Midland Counties at the
latter place. Seyeral petitions were presented against the Bill.
The first petition proceeded with was that of the Earl of Cardigan,
Lord Dartmouth, and otters.
Mr. PRATT appeared in Stlpport of the petition.
31.1'.StOSI (vr tip) paiistters) objc4toci to tttll potaczt, an tla