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the
1838 no less than 844,0001. It was necessary that we lion. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer on , to
should have new houses of Parliament—of that there ; .substct, and must, therefore, ask his .Noble Fries"
was no question ; but he would undertake to say that no postpone it for the present.
persons in the country viewed with less pleasure than An Hoer. MEMBER suggested that some ought
their Lordships the lavish expenditure that was going to be allowed to the present occupiers of the ce.oesr sr,j'a
on, both wiihin and without, in the construction of that provide themselves with other dwellings after til P
House—an expenditure which was going on apparently came into operation.
without any check.—(Hear, hear.) For his part, he did Lord MORPETH said he would add a provisoeSt the
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not think that all that finery was necessary, and he could end of the clause to give twelve months' time
not regard some part of that expenditure without a little passing of the Act betime the provisions in relation
pain. That was not the style of building which was cellars came into operation.
adapted eir a country in its mature strength; it was Mr. T. EGERTON remarked that in Liverpooloa.ons!,
more suited to the wealthy and vain-glorious condition , years ago the cellars had been taken possession
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of a declining empire ; and he would aid, that he only ; the poorer classes against the will ot the ownerseeere;
wished they could in that House discharge their duties it would be hard to fix the owners with penaltiesl'
end transact their business as ee/1 as their ancestor, did the occupation of the c,llars under such circumstances',..
in a plain, r edifice.—(Hear, hear.) With regard to public , Dr. BOW RING said that he was informed that_roll:
works, of course he was desirous that every attention Belton it would be impossible in a single year to Poo,
and a commoilatien should be afforded to the Crown, ' vide the immense mass of cellar occupants with. _ be
and that in the royal palaces thegreatest comforts which , doteicdes. He thought two years' time ought to
architecture cottio afford should exist: but he cuuld net ! allowedthat purpose.
avoid remerking that in 1847, a year of unparelleled ; Mr. SLAN EY opposed any further extension ofo ~ti.lskce
distress, a large sum had been voted for an addition to 1 bee oral sine yi ar, as it would protract the evils 1 les
a royal palace, and he would say that it would tiff ref oceupaeion of places unfit for the reception of hewn"
him great satisfaction if he had an assurance that there beings.
would be no additional expenditure on that head until a The Earl of LINCOLN thought that in many toll
better state of the revenue was exhibited. They might great hardships would be inflicted on the poor classee,so,,
build a palace out of a surplus revenue; but they could the provisions of this clause were brought too se: eV,
not afford to build a palace out of a deficient revenue. 1 into operation. He also was of opinion that som in,'
Amongst the charges in the return of miscellaneous ex- 1 cretion in this respect ought to be vested in the rot+
penditure, there was a sum of 22,000/. for a farm at . boards. It would be well to follow in this Bill a 12! the
Kew—a sum considerable in amount, and which might i sion contained in the Metropolitan Buildings Act, te_;.,,
be usefully employed in various other ways. He did ' effect that six months antecedent to the Bill being
not object to the charge for canals or harbours, brought into operation it should be the duty of thetelov,be
though he would remark that the charge for surveyor to give notice not only to the owners but_
i_ t'he
the Caledonian Canal in that period was 280,0001. occupiers of cellar property of the day from which
The next subject to which he would direct the Act would take effect. • n and,
attention of their Lordships was the sum in the estimates Lord MORPETH was obliged for the suggestOseems
for miscellaneous services charges for salaries of before the report, would look at the Metropolitan le,"
clerks, &c., in the public departments, upon which there ings Act, and give the matter every eonsiderati°ll: .. 0.
was an increase of 164,0001. Ho regretted to observe Sir G. STRICKLAND concurred in the opitUnle, be
that last year there was an excess of 88,0001. in the pressed that two years instead of one year ought
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department of printing, &c., for the public service, as given to provide new domiciles for the present .
compared with 1838. In 1844 the expenses of printing occupants.
were 217,000/., in 1845 they were 226,0001, in 1846 Mr. NEWDEGATE objected to the matter
ssblel
they were 249,000 L, in 1847 they were 295,000/. He left in the hands of any authority, as in such ts es'eor•
hoped that the Members of the House of Commons Bill might be made the instrument of wholesale meta.
would consider, when they had before their view the ances. The time ought to be strictly defined by the 4.), in
subject of printing, that however necessary that branch Lord MORPETH said that the discretion yestSrlej
of public expenditure, that a reckless expenditure in that the Liverpool authorities by their Local Act had w°
respect would cause a very great loss of money from the without any inconvenience. ve" SW'
public exchequer. There were many small items which, After a desultory conversation, in which Mr. ast; se
though insignificant in themselves, were important, as Lord Morpeth, Sir R. H. Inglis, Mr. BOUYerie, 512°
showing a decided tendency to increase, and this was Slaney took part, sees.
particularly to be noticed as regarded the expenses of Lord DUNCAN again adverted to his former sueese
of
commissions, one of which had raised its expenses from tion as to the exemption from the window MI ed is
2,000/. to 11,000/. or 12,000/. in 1847. It was not by windows ordered by the local surveyor to be oPenseeed
one great item that the expenses of the public underground tenements. The Noble Lord reteiteelo
exchequer were so much increased as by a that in the report of the Sanitary Commisaionersolvder
number of small items ; and in the Privy Council over and over again stated that the reason whY- was to
charges of the Board of Trade it was remarkable that ground dwellings were without proper windows woe,
there was a small increase in 1847 over the charge be traced distinctly to the operation of the winu°nsble
for 1846, although the railway department had- been Under such circumstances, it would not be ttnreseo-nede
removed in 1846 from that department. Another com- to make the exemption he claimed on sanitary gr.oos'
mission had increased in its expenses from 3,000/. in After a few words from Lord R. GAO6l7'
1838,; to 5,000/. in 1847, and the Poor-law Commission which did not reach us, ir'' 014
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had increased from 54,000/. to 59,000/—(Hear, hear.) The Earl of LINCOLN remarked that 0.001
He had frequently remarked that whenever a commis- not be possible to add a proviso to meet the ogle
jeobl:
sion was appointed, it began with small expenses, but the Noble Lord the Member fir Bath until the
they gradually increased to a larger sum; and, on the Lord opposite (Lord Morpeth) had an °I3P-ol rtd P:i
whole, he would remark that there was an increase in of consulting the Chancellor of the Exchequer tio
1847 over 1845 of 268,0001. Under the head of law and rest of his colleagues, as this involved It ques
of
justice, there was also a great increase, as well as under revenue. so° ,
the head of prisons, which had increased from Mr. MILES expressed a hope that the sugg,e,0
~ be ee
110,0001. to 307,000/. in ten years; and that increase the Noble Lord (Lord Duncan) would eventually
went on, notwithstanding the grants for education ceded to.
which it was supposed would render the expenses under Mr. BROTIIERTON and Mr. S. CRA.WFORD e%r
the head of prisons less than before. The grants for similar opinions, and tli
take es
education were, in 1838, 70,0001., and in 1847 they were Lord MORPETK repeated that he would ; so:11.-
200,000 e, not including an additional charge for May- earliest moment to consult his Right Hon- 111..e-
-'tooth College of 40,0001. per annum. The next Chancellor or the Exchequer. was seCileteli
charge was that of arts and sciences. The patronage On the motion of the NOBLE LORD a proviso iss,. I
was of recent date, and that charge had very largely added to the clause, to the effect that so far es re el see°
increased. In 1838 it was 55,000/, in 1847 131,000/. cellars and underground tenements the Bill sinupen
In the next charge, that of the British Museum, the come into operation until 12 months after it h''''osteS
increase last year was 60,0001. The tool sum expended into law, and the clause so amended was erdered t •
iii the building of the Museum, in ten years, was nearly part ot the Bel.
„t Streeth
400,0001. The sum expended in purchases was iii arty On clause 59, which places the manageeoee-°e,
200.e001 In geology, of which the first charge was &e., in the hands of local boards, being propo's se eir
only 1001. a tear tor one officer, the expendliure had Mr. HENLEY said he observed the cilititeseiee's
arisen to neatly 11,000/. The commission for the sup- . powered the local boards to raise, lower, °r f semi.
pression of the slave trade had risen from 14,000/. or isting streets. Now this might be productive °.O 1000$
15,000/. to 23,0001. The total sum under the heads el damage to dwellings on troth sides the stre°,t„so 044
charge was 1,307.000 e He had mentioned the other rex., d with, and he was of opinion that the c's''sbr Ole
night the enormous increase of the charge of mail to provide the mode by which compensatiors
woes
packets. It had increased since 1841, 335,(001. a year. damage or injury might be obtained by the ° '
eitiej
There was a charge for the suppression of the elate the property affected. ' Or° ole
trade in addition to the charge by the treaty of The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said this 'cc clop
i the Ai
1826. There was a charge of some vessels on the for in a subsequent clause; and to insert it ',tied to '-
coast of Brazil, of others occasionally employed now under consideration would only be to le-
ea oin the Mozambique Channel, and we had also are culties in the construction of the Act.
muneration for special service for the support of cap- Mr. BAINES concurred in the opinion eePreer:t be
tured negroes, and the justices of the West Indies. All his Hon. and Learned Friend the Solicitor-Geeeseett ,
these charges were matters of serious consideration; Mr. HENLEY was satisfied with the exPl,,s'esstleisee
Parliament should give Government every means of had received from the two Hon. and Learned,'" 0400
maintaining the public security and faith, but in times He, however, thought some difficulty woueihst wee
like these it was obviously necessary to postpone every another point which this clause raised, else yr- •0'
charge which could be postponed without detriment to be considered a highway. 000
the public service, and forego altogether every charge A long desultory and uninteresting e°,_°"l„ j'e•
which Government were not satisfied was absolutely sued, in which several Hon. Members took P-- oder -1%,
necessary.—(Hear, hear.) Sir W. CLAY conceived that the clause' ° t oeisee
The Marquis of,LsiNSDOWNE thought the House cussion embodied a very important imPrevePletlio pg°
indebted to the Noble Earl for the part he had taken in isting local acts, by compelling the p!trties
moving, fis. *en.. ,sterns—Cr-hser)—for the sehj,,ts Loop their streets and highways in repair. „stem
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were worthy of attentive and careful consideration. It After a conversation the clause, es cal'
should not be forgotten, however, that with the increas- agreed to. tbe
ing demands of society, the expenditure must have a On clause 60,
isb tWoteli
constant tendency to increase. The House could hardly Captain PECHELL expressed a w sear
expect that he should go through all the various items words " street" and " highway " should be
to which the Noble Earl had alluded, and which, more defined.
or less, were subject to the general remark he had made, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL referred tote-baeotsa
that they had a constant tendency to increase. There and said the distinction was sufficiently rllia'e it smog
were no means within the reach of the Government and Lord G. BENTINCK said that the cistiee'lie- ficl ''',..;101
of Parliament by which the wants of a constantly in- might compel the owners of unoccupied —evelt)
creasing population, and a constantly increasing demand, formed part of a street to contribute to the .t,-- and Net
could be provided for without increased estimates and that street, although they had no interest.iesisle'd atltt ,
increased expenditure. It was necessary to have a con- default of payment their land might be ° , 401
trolling power, and it was impossible to exercise that for ten years. leas- It/
control without an increase in the establishments for the The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said this evened r
administration of justice. Ho begged attention to some not apply to a highway, but only tos streets OPeerlyii
of the items in order that it might be seen whether they private individuals for the sake of the building7 Weti
did not conform to what he had stated. With respect to- tion, and in that case only so far as the *tree' tife
the royal palaces, it was well known that there was a open and built upon. wire 14
necessity for enlarged accommodation. Not in Parlia- The Earl of LINCOLN objected to then evoliellb.
ment only, but out of Parliament, opinions were ex- operation of the clause. This might be $
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pressed that it became necessary for the dignity of the omitting the word " present " from the firs
olleN
Crown in this country not to repair that which was re- clause. A the .14' 0" presented as an unsightly and deficient palace, but that The ATTORNEY-GENERAL defendee - sreetsissee
an entire new palace should be built. Government were tion of the provision to those cases where as Oa 'loel
represented as being insensible to the royal dignity, been opened on speculation, and where partlelete et
because they did not come to Parliament for a new induced to occupy in the blief that a comP -.et
estimate, which would probably amount to half a would be formed. „.001
million, but which, when the Bill came to be Mr. W. PATTEN thouht the
paid, would more probably turn out to be a great hardship on parties in lareman.tinfeeccutfartlio_t ,:, 01.
million and a half. Who was it resisted this? The Go- who had laid out streets as a building
eer, he tholt te-se
vernment of the day; they thought it was but just not speculation had afterwards failed. sue
clause Ire.uvigth 0_ Shit;
to tax the people, who were already sufficiently taxed, would be a less evil than to leave the etreetil j"
d' la,
With respect to the Caledonian Canal, it was true that present unfinished state.
great sums had been expended on that work, and it would Mr. HENLEY' thought the power of
remedy
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be very bad economy, after having expended so much, ten year was a very questionable
.reFaea7a ti te
not to complete it. As to the new Houses of Parlia- could nut be built on during that time, land, old
ment, which termed one of the principal heads of expen were provided for the to redeem the
tnorde W
owner
dilute to which the Noble Earl had alluded, he must say The ATTORNEY- GENERAL seidtbseeilillgitl2ll°6°
that it was the unanimous sentiment of the country
lel! be introduced giving that power.
agreedhe clause,
large, that the houses should be of a construction en , te e °l°
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solid and magnificent. It was wished to make('themaylet be
to. i$
worthy of the country, in the principal featurewith some verbal amenume
details
due economy should be observed in the minute whilst
ler°
rrt" ' They were made to contribute to the encouragement of, Mr. S. CRAW FORD proposed to add) after see
deeOtenecd•lanuigsehwela,)
sp.rovidin that certain streets es . ,
art in this country, although perhaps that encourage "highway," the %verde e repaired by the pu is prO
,or
ment had been administered sonless lavishly
than was intended. As to the British Museum itwas
.haTd.hbeee:4ll rco'
l'nOsißdeNreEdY. eaGnEdNwEaßsAtLeun
heaidto ibis
111 .
not what it was forty, or thirty, or even twenty years jectionsble-er
the 0
ago. It was a museum
which
4
ihreinphriswinegreellections of the Mr. NEWDEGATE. was anxious
,_ed to .•US to throw. 0 $O4.
most unbounded extent,
•
wtthout a building ad, quate for their orrecespotiliown, timeand tpnenbseepoanvetdh.e local board, where they ordered
te
the °OH)
without a sufficient number all eases' fie 10
. . of officers to superintend Mr GRANGFR thought that, in
etas 's_oo
them The . building was now fast approaching to cum- sent of. the owners' ought to be obtained b
woo
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pletion. With respect to the superintendence of the lac- board ordered to be paved. lie vf 0
teriee, that was founded on the most benevolent oh the additii'n ofawnyorsdtsreteOthat effect. ight biiii
jects. In order to make this interference useful, and in The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said this and wb° bi
(Age Id
order to prevent its being made vexatious and obnoxious, convenient course where the property bel
was
be
the Government was ' of
bound to provide for the inspection to one owner, but in ; being placed in fit hands. He did not believe that more several persons. t itc°9•°,ot °
not cases where it w"
could be done with that view than had been done. The Mr. HENLEY said it might be a grea bore P6'
increase in4oo
other branches had also arisen from similar private property to bring a noisy thoroug
1 causes. • tredilb tlii
person's
m o R
The Duke of RICHMOND adverted to the returns ETI' consented to the to
at of .
of Viscount .
the nose
which were moved for by economists in the other/0°
House, w • the proviso rendering necessary
which he said were moved for for the sake f owners. anlendeci I
gaining popularity, and often cost more than they were After a short conversation the clause as ,00
worth.
agreed to, as was clause 62.
out of Iler fi: 4
After a few words from Lord BEAUMONT, which On clause 63, relating to the laying , board,
were not audible in the gallery, level and width to be fixed by the local sets
The Earl of HARDWICKE said that he agreed in roposed, _wee cot
COOP' 0 ,
the necessity of looking carefully
.at the expenditure, I)
Mr. SPOONER said he thought the s- 010 eel
but he did not agree thatthe the landlord if was
t" °A
ex had taken ought to pay more ground 3
01
place in regard to great public works or Public build- the making of a street than was necessary
was' ) •
ings was an expenditure taxin the community purposes of a street. claim r 0
without considerable benefit. He was decidedly of The Earl of LINCOLN said that if a lairs, fo
a • PI
opinion that any principle of taxation which went to in for the landlord, he would put in atoc...__l 0,8 rintli
take money out of the pockets of the rich and place it in occupiers and the health of the inhabits°
rest diet its 0
the hands of the poor, was of considerable advantage to Lord MORPETH thought that as
tie
the vslur'd .t
the country. Therefore the expense of taking care that prevailed in different towns with regahrou i 001 111,029 P)
the Sovereign was properly lodged, and the expense of the streets, it was better to leave
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keeping up a great public museum, was by no means an liberty to consult "the genius of the plo
leo° out,c,ety) to
expenditure of public money which was disadvantageous Mr. S. CRAWFORD proposed t
which woul.. _
to the country, inasmuch as the artisan whose services words from the clause, the result of el boar' Of
were required benefited by it. He believed that that take away the power of appeal to the ceitn_tr
wino
sentit frieet
which the public complained of chiefly was the descrip- After a few words from Mr. UeteugA 1: of
Lion of expenditure which went towards the salaries of appeal, the re-- et the
great public officers, which was increased by the appoint- • The Earl of LINCOLN supported , stoup 00
meat of commissions, when on the request of any one this words proposed to be left out. Pe'
should be inquired into, a there should be as little interference
shoul4 pity I
who thought that a matter
that there • bee
barrister of so many years' standing was appointed to as possible ; but he thought ,e„, wer
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make the inquiry, and the result of that inquiry became appeal from them in cases where wee
dict's' be 0101
by PM
the law of the land. Expenditure of that description, show favour or to be influenced Pee should
eeet
which took money out of the hands of the public, and Mr. SPOONER thought that r
there
be to the .
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put it into the pockets of the more wealthy classes, was appeal, but he objected that it should
oula at
the expenditure that was complained of. board.that it w a- -
L osid 1 boar „to
The motion was then agreed to, and their Lordships The ATTORNEY-GENERA
onto d was be
adjourned. advisable to leave the appeal to the the 00 .0 t
which e with local_ I?( r asso
L
least for the five years during _eight be
e a
exist. After that period the appeal "' iv
nal t° 14110";
Secretary of State.
Acts. He mouth
0,
power of appeal in local Ac •
mistrust t
Mr. HENLEY did not think it lesseelihst the :woe'
ing of an appeal would imply a
eits
boards. eel- JO id
to the' rest w 00 Mr. NEWDEGATE opposed the ePP -Merl sr 0
Lord MORPETH could nut assent.uaply 03isgr,
so
The argument that an appeal wouldl
Quarter Sesgi°l)9 ion
,• Tully apply to the Court of Qua _ opt
to 7he Court el Chancery. r, fair OP
.4 oh
Mr. HUDSON did not think it livid
Committee
should be thrown on the local boards,.
Attar a short conversation the
ln
when there appear, d—
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HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 22.
HEALTH OF TOWNS BILL.
Tho House then resolved itself into Committee on
the Health of Towns Bill;. Mr. BERNAL in the chair.
Clause 57, the object of. which was to register lodging-
houses, was agreed to, with some verbal amendments.
Afterss' a short discussion, clause 58, with respect to
the letting and occupation of cellars, was ttn-n put.
Lord DUNCAN observed that the clause provided
that the local surveyor. should havepoeer to order a
window of a certaic siz: to Le opened in those cellar'
used as dwellings. He wished to know whether a win-
dow so opened would be exerepti-d from the window tax.
Ile thought it but just there rhoulil be such an exemp
tion provided.
Sir R. H. INGLIS expressed his entire concurrence
in the sui!gestion of the Noble Lord.
Lord MORPETH said he was not prepared at once
to answer the question. He must first consult his Bight