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London, England, 1848-08-24 00:00:00

very small sum, the more especially as the elaiiinso.o
it are very large and aro increasing. But tidos eS
Hon. Gentlemen .Suppose that this country stall Lie l
in its generosity to the Poles. It spiv!' tr t'
said that England is the richest, and „I,oli'
same time the most generous nation in the ^tit.,
(Hear, hear)—but I may be permitted to say that 1;y
case of the Poles it has not shown much hbera
since this grant amounted originally to 10 00°Ae
to 150001., and now it is gradually diminishing t'
pared with what other countries have done towscooof,
support of these unfortunate persons. N°
which enjoys a free constitution has omitted t
large sums of money for the relief of the dtstio
diee
Poles. Switzerland—poor Switzerland—has aide
bobli
One of her cantons has given halt the sum voted i
country, and Belgium has also given them theftl
the bounty of France has been greater than the re'dsfei
hold in my hand a paper, which I have proeur
France, which contains a statement of the sum' -0,
aid of the Poles during the time we have also s 0 if
.
rously extended aid to them. From this paperl; ?
pears that from the time we began to assist thra
French Chambers have not voted but 10,0001•, e
have done, butlloo,ooo/. or 2,500,000 francs.--4d e
Last year it amounted to 50,000/.—(Hear)—se
year a sum of nearly like amount has been
otie
Mind, I am not at all saying that we should ovre,e,
this grant because France has given so intinifi
because I do not deny that the Pules have a% ti
claim upon the generosity of France than uPeo
country ; I merely mention the fact to Oil' fj,
what we have done is not so extraordinary a' t
Gentleman would wish to lead the House to suPP`',l-,.
that we du not stand alone in our benevolence.
blame the Hon. Gentleman for advocatme eeonh i
°Tl'
am as anxious for economy as any man, whie'i,
deuced by my votes; but if you carry out the Pre'ci
of economy, let it be real in its nature, and not etr)
to such a miserable sum as this; do not takeeeo
from these unfortunate persons the miserawhe
Lance they aro now receiving, and thereby' list
them to the most abject state of dot' ol
To show that I advocate economy in the publioeed
diture. I may state that I voted with the Hon. nf
man the Member for Montrose for the reduction
loos
army and navy. A reduction in that expenditufebettl
confer a real good upon the country; it would be
but if you reduce this miserable dole, it will g°
the world that England, notwithstanding all her ifr:•
ness and her wealth, was carrying the principle
nomy to an extraordinary extent. Its abolition °t,'''`
confer no good upon the country at all; it would neo;,
one man half a glass of beer more, or one 'vett
an additional teaspoonful of tea.—(Hear and Wig"
It will, however, do this. If you withhold thegheS
will place an additional burden upon the partljtr
which the Poles reside, and the rates will have.l°e
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creased in consequence; for when you take alff;ilSl
little aid you now give them they cannot bo
to die of starvation. The grant will therefore ih"
te
be paid in some other and less palatable Wl' 0'
0
could not apply to them the Alien Bill which 00
happily passed through this House. If you were ini'd
enough to desire to apply it to them you vleof til
unable to do so, for you could not send them out or
country by force after the length of time they be o'
sided here. The Act was not passed for any stleoprO
pose, and such a construction of it would not be 1. re'
tor a moment.—(Hear, hear.) Then, again, tht'd
does nut aggravate the distress of the country, s'er
people know this full well. It' you doubt it, I ask' ro
are the petitions against the continuauce of the r
The feeling of the country is not agairef,
Is the table, I ask, covered with Pe'?
seeking its abrogation?—(Hear, hear.) IV, e
bept
I present myself at a public assembly I flan
flattered instead of condemned for my exertions ire os
half of the Pules.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) ',tilt"'
very well for my Hon. Friend to ridicule
or)l,
saying, but I merely proclaim a fact—(Hear, Prof
and it he had been present he would have fan
what I state is correct. Why not cut down, other
penses, not one of which was more necessary tbs,rigit
grant to the Poles? Why, if we are to carry out'
system of economy do we buy pictures for
our public galleries, or Elgin marbles 00
our mussums?—(Hear, hear.) Why if
tbt
principle is to guide us, do we maintain 2 eig
splendour and dignity of the Court, and which 415
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right of the Sovereign to keep up? I say that this7eet
to these unfortunate, brave, and virtuous men dee2ocef
to uphold the dignity of the Sovereign and the ellilele4
of this cenntry than all the proud array of the tied
and the Court. I believe that the people of this et).* it
would rather assist struggling men in distress 011'10
for all this uselessness. How does it happen ,ben tbt
grant is objected to that the House acceded 1;00
last sum specified in the miscellaneous estloy
for the entertainment of foreign princes—(Hear,h "feerele,
for the entertainment of foreign sovereigns,
e et
princes, and foreign grandeer, whom the people stnyoja
—( Laughter.) They would feel less pleasure in.sipel,
so if they knew that the princes sent here are enter`joi
when here, out of the pockets of the people. In I°,oo
over the votes for this purpose during the last few ).lio
Ifind that almost every sovereign and foreigner that es
has has been here. I find in the list the Emperor of
ep
sia and the King of Holland—(Cries of " Quel s 0
question.") I am speaking to the question. ,idrl
showing that there are other things to cut down hei. iet
this small grant to the Poles.—(Hear, hear.)
1 e
showing that we have had nearly every sovereign I'o,
world here, and that we have entertained them Mag,
cently out of the pockets of the people of Englanu,d,
whom Hon. Members profess to have so much regsld
Read the miscellaneous estimates, and you will
f,
whole pages of the expense of bringing them ofeci
entertaining them here, and taking them back. —ORO
They would find that a vast expense had been incur
in carrying the King of Greece to Bavaria from Greet;
and taking him somewhere else; they would find all ord
(,f things of this kind. For instance, an enormous sum bat
been expended in entertaining Ibrahim Pecha.—(Blo
of laughter.) You had, for instance, to pay the exPette
of bringing him from Alexandria to India, and also
0
expense of bringing over three Egyptian young gentleo
to England—(Laughter)—and from 2,000/. to 3,000. i eel
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expended in entertaining them. Ido not say thatrJelf
ought to cut these down, but if you wish to du Borg! the
you have an ample field without trenching ur'oeu
seipend to the Poles. I am not one of those
,he
wish to do away with all the splendour it
attach to a Court and Government, btlieff
seriously think that some reduction might with prollico
be made.—(Hear, hear.) I do not wish for rePubvel
simplicity, but I say if you wish to reduce the ni"l,,
expenditure, I do not think it would be well for ni-01
take away that assistance you have now, for s°,-eoe
years, so generously given.—(Hear, hear.) Isis" Elbe!
if the Poles stood in need of this aid years ago do "
not in a much more degree stand in need of it i'S°Llct
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Pulestmw tiaihinyle
geoe ftnoet
rho( the
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ati continent—and noI t
condemn
unnedo ;Iv Iste
tbpahecreottpahsffeeoraivturiismenws entertained of the core
tio4
tan
Poles ea. sb
abolishing
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mustmak make
say
yeirt
hconduct
of this country to the Poles has been most col:13,1)A o,
In former days the Polish Diet acted in a way,npercP,
like the English Parliament. As it was not inow-re
of
to English distress or English exiles, a large 29-. for
money was voted for a c nisiderable number of seine,,
the Poles, during the time of Charles the Se,e,°-10014 (, hear.) If Honourable Members would t is
into the Blue-book they a ouid find 01600
consequence of deaths and departures the
graf!t, ors'
r
reduced to its present amount; and it is in rapid
gress, according to the report of the committee, to"iseS
final extinction, the number on the list having, in'no
been 680, and being now reduced to 365. It:102, o1;0e
be allowed, and that too appeared from the ev/f.
taken before the Committee, that the conduct ° es'
Poles in this country was, with few exceptions, ea s'
plary. They had been brought into their present I
happy condition by their patriotism and their virtuee't be
must protest against being supposed indifferent .t4'
distress of our own countrymen, but this grant d"
a not
ggravate that distress; the refusal of it would
gree alleviate it. I hope therefore my Hon. Friend
not press his opposition to it.---(Hear, hear. eyed,
Mr. HENLEY said the Noble Lord had made out oraileo
a case as he could in support of the grant, but he hade-ter°
to show that during all the 3
-ears these Poles had been to
they had been unable to make a subsistence, and, neatjer.)
find their way back to their own country.—(Hear, "ee' pis
It was not right they should continue a burden on the P,ees;
of this country, many of whom, owing to their distrceols
would be glad of pensions. He did not think this grant s niess
continue for ever. Ho should vote against the grant, nee'
the Government told the House that it would not be
tinued.—( Hear.)
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Mr. BRIGHT said it was surprising that the Poles
.11 lis
teen years had not been able to provide for thernseive74
could not but think that the Noble Lord was gratieY'
tess
favourite notion at the exnense of the people of this rogPose
and at the sacrifice of his duty to his coastitnents•
was much worse than had been stated. Oat of the ivbelyeeo2
the money had been paid but one Pole had been magnall'elsde
enough to resign. He deprecated John Bull being
Greet
a rnilch cow by the inhabitants of other couries.--v; t 0
laughter.) In 1834 the House acceded to the grant fel-
distinct understanding that it would be but tenwor—:;s'
(Hear, hear.) He trusted this would be the last veteei-eles,
east the last but one, and that the Government welo`,V4 of
a pledge to that effect.—( Hear, hear.) It was the 14v-
small sums that made a large general sa • g. bonl
Mr. HUME said he was one of the Committee to d
the allotment of aid out of the vote to the distrecr-rer2
Poles was granted. The sums, he admitted, That
very small, but they were given merely as aid, and in Viot
to support them until they could support themselves. 410
principle had been altogether contravened. If the Chainn'oer
of the Exchequer would
give a pledge that this and itest
grants would be reviewed and not pressed again if fen° ejon-
they could be dispensed with, he should advise his
eeerl
Friend not to press his amendment. The Pole and
other foreigner could now return to his own country. , the
Mr. OSBORNE intimated that he could not consent to
suggestion. ths
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER revicw Tee
circumstances under which the money was granted•
trot
vote was one which could not be eonsidered a Peoriu. te7inir
charge upon the country.—(Hear, hear.) He did fets., ola
the House would be disposed to take away this aid ortf:oeld
"their
persons who had been long in the receipt of it—that
be an act of cruelty; but young persons able to
He aessanred the
own living could not be allowed to receive it.
House that the list should be
togcarefuly reviewed. , iii eis
Sir J. TYRELL did not wish act cruelly, htuee eat a
ld d°
sotirdonniogncate
for iChancellortscontinuance. theof E xcilleeqtuheorulgiandt
tnoti3e37.
weless
l to allow 4,0001. this and discontinue it next 3e'Lore be
the Noble Lord the Member for Marylebone (vie' foe its
much complimented) could show a very urgent case

continuance to certain parties.
Lord R. GROSVENOR accounted for the Hon. Genflein3gll
(Mr. Bright) calling John Bull a milch cow by his h3v,,,ilj3t
sat seventy three days on an Irish Committee. He tl-100
the plan of the Chancellor of the Exchequer was the best.frel
Mr. 11. BERKELEY said, when they had a heart to heir
for the woes of foreigners, he trusted that some share of wine.
humanity would be given for the distressed people L 1 "(I (.1
Constituents generally remarked that the House affor ed
liberal aid to foreigners whilst they neglected the distir,.'eer
condition of the people at home. He considered that either
condition
tho army or navy could now be reduced 1603
Lie should support the amendment.