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FRIDAY EVENING, AUGUST 4, 1848.

e#f fact, not matters of law, relating to the removability
of paupers, which must cone bef,re the proper tribunal.
Mr. HENLEY considered the clime a most valuable
one, and was sure that many parties would be happy to
avail themselves of the aisistance of his Right Hon.
Friend.

The clause was then agreed to, as were also clauses
up to 8.
Col. THOMPSON then moved a substantive clause in
these terms:—" That the guardians of any union or pa-
rish may, with the order of the said Commissioners, and
in conformity with such regulations as they shall direct,
procure or assist in procuring the emigration of any poor
person chargeable, or who would, if relieved, be charge-
able upon the common fund of such union, or in the case
of any parish not comprised in a union, who may,
though not settled therein, be exempt from liability to
removal therefrom; and such guardians shall, in the case
of a union, charge the costs and expenses incurred in
such emigration upon the common fund; and in the case
of a parish not in a union, upon the moneys in their
hands for the relief of the poor."
Mr. C. BULLER remarked that in the present state
of the law certain funds were applicable to the purposes
of emigration. Where numbers of persons in places like
Bradford could not get employed, and wished to ewi•
grate, it was hard indeed that their parishes should be
burdened with their cost, seeing that they
wished to earn a profitable subsistence else-
where. lie had his own opinions upon emi-
gration, but occupying the position he did, he did
not wish to express any opinion on the matter except
this, that the provisions of the Act should be extended to
some of those who were irremovable, and who wished to
seek a living elsewhere. It was for these reasons that
he had consented to the introduction of the clause of the
Hon. Member.

The clause was read a first time, and ordered to be
proceeded with when the report was brought up.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE moved the insertion of the following
clause :—( Paupers not removable from any Poor-law union
in which they shall have resided five years.) And be it
enacted, that from and after the passing of this Act, no
warrant of removal shall be granted for any person from
the union in which such person shall have resided for
five years next before the application for such warrant.
Mr. C. BULLER recommended the Hon. Baronet to
withdraw the clause, as he considered it too important
to be introduced in a temporary Bill.
Sir. W. JOLLIFFE then withdrew the clause.
The other clauses of the Bill were then agreed to, and
the report was ordered to be received to morrow.
PAROCHIAL DEBT AND AUDIT BILL.
The committal of this Bill was postponed to
Thursday. -
POOR-LAW UNION DISTRICT SCHOOLS BILL.
The committal of this Bill was postponed to
Thursday.

RENEWABLE LEASEHOLD CONVERSION
(IRELAND) BILL.
The committal of this Bill Was postponed.
PAYMASTERS' OFFICES CONSOLIDATION

BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
HIGHWAY RATES BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
TURNPIKE ACTS CONTINUANCE BILL.
This Bill was read a second time and ordered to be
committed. •

INSOLVENT DEBTORS' COURT BILL.
The report on this Bill was brought up, and the Bill
ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
CLERIC. OF THE PEACE (DUBLIN) BILL.
The Committee of this Bill was postponed to Monday,
at twelve.

CHURCHES BILL.
The Committee on this Bill was postponed to Monday,
at twelve.
WINDSOR CASTLE AND TOWN APPROACHES

• IMPROVEMENT BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
The House then tadjournedto a Quarterpast Five
o'clock.

The House resumed at a Quarter past Five o'clock.
Sir C. LEMAN presented a petition from Colima
uinst the Bill for altering the duties on copper ore.

Lord DUDLEY STUART presented a petition from
a number of orders of Odd Fellows, praying that the
Benefit Societies Act might he extended to their body. The
Noble Lord also presented a petition from the late
printer of the House, complaining that he had been
hardly dealt with in being dismissed from his situation,
and praying for the establishment of a national printing
establishment in preference to having the public printing
executed by contract.
Lord COURTENAY presented a petition praying
for an amendment of the laws relating to vagrancy.
Mr. T. EGERTON presented several petitions pray-
ing the House to adopt measures to prevent the sale of
intoxicating liquors on the Sabbath day.
METROPOLITAN POLICE.
Sir B. HALL gave notice that he would take the
earliest opportunity next session of moving for a return
of the cost of maintaining the metropolitan police.
SARDINIA AND AUSTRIA.
Mr. P. HOWARD gave notice that on Monday next
ho would ask the Secretary of of State for Foreign
Affairs, whether it was the intention of her Majesty's
Government either singly, or in concert with her-allies,
to mediate between Sardinia and Austria, for the paci-
fication of the North of Austria.
CRIMINAL LAW IN THE CHANNEL ISLANDS.
Dr. DOW RING put a question to the Secretary of
State for the Home Department, whether the Commis•
sion appointed to inquire into the state of the criminal
law in the•ChF.nnel Islands had made their report on
the subject, and whether it was his intention to propose
any changes in that law, or any modification of it.
Sir G. GREY was understood to state that the report
had been made, and that au order of council was in pre-
paration for the purpose of carrying into effect the re-
commendation of the Commissioners.
REPUDIATION OF THE TREATY OF 1839 BY
THE GERMAN CONFEDERATION.
Mr. DISRAELI put a question to the Noble Lord
the Secretary for Foreign Affairs relative to the treaty,
of 1839, by which the duchies of Luxembourg and Lim-
burg were conceded to the kingdom of the Netherlands,
and to which Great Britain was a party. That treaty,
by a decree recently issued by the German Confedera-
tion sitting at Frankfort, had been entirely repudiated,
and that Assembly had announced that it could not
sanction the regulations of that solemn and
sao
—(llesaarm,)e state of things that
. If that treaty was
n
had occurred in Schleswig and Holstein would take
place there, if they had not already commenced. He
ltutaorbyservtreadap ty.the
wished to ask whether he had any communication on
this important subject to make N the House.
Lord PALMERSTON said the Hon. Gentleman had
stated correctly the nature of the treaty made in 1839;
by that treaty a portion of Luxembourg was ceded to the
kingdom of Belgium, and the House was probably aware
that that territory formed part of the German Confede-
ration, of which the Grand Duke was a member. He
had a right to inquire from the Government of the
Netherlands what had passed between the King of the
Netherlands and the German Confederation in respect
of the annexation referred.—(Hear, hear.) He
had not yet received a reply, and therefore he
could not state whether the Government of this country
considered itself intitled to interfere ; and if so, in what
way, as asked by the Hou. Gentleman ?
AMERICAN POSTAGE.
Mr. CARDWELL inquired whether the papers
respecting the American Postage question would be laid
on the table before the close of the session. As many
parties were suffering from the present system it was
most desirable that the earliest and fullest information
should be given on the subject.
Lord Palmerston said the negotiations were conducted
by other departments; and he would reply to the ques-
tion on Monday.
THE EASTERN ARCHIPELAGO COMPANY.
Mr. BOUVERIE asked the President of the Board of
Trade, whether the Eastern Archipelago Company have
paid up the portion of their proposed capital required by
the charter, and, if not, whether the charter has' been
avoided.

Mr. LABOUCHERE replied that the Queen had
provisions were
itsT he charter was
iplootweeormtpolideedtewrmitihne
wthitehicuhaarte;e,arif.
nut completed until nearly a year bad expired.
and as this did not arise through any ladies of the com-
pany, the Board of Trade had not thought it advisable
to recommend her Majesty to void the charter.
HORSHAM—THE ATTORNEY- G ENERAL.

Mr. ANSTEY, referring to a paragraph in the news-
papers of this morning with respect to the alleged
action against the Attorney-General for penalties, and
stating that the record of the action against him had
been withdrawn, inquired if this was so?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL—I am mmch obliged
to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman for asking the
question. It is perfectly true that an action has been
instituted ; it is also perfectly true that I have done my
bust to bring the cause on for trial. I assert, upon my
honour, that the case has not been compromised.—(Hear.)

ARMED. POLICE.
Lord DUDLEY STUART wished to know whe-
ther it was true that certain portions of the po-
lice had been armed with swords, having saws

at the back, and iltheyhad;whether it was done by the
sanction and recommendation of the Right lion. Baronet
the Secretary of State for the Home Department, and
whether it was his intention that they should be habitually
so armed?

Sir G. GREY could assure the Hon. Gentleman that
it was not his wish or intention that the police should be
habitually armed with swords. It had, however, been
the practice when disturbances were apprehended, to arm
the police, and certain portions of the police in London
Manchester and Liverpool had, with his sanction, been
armed with swords, considering it necessary, in conse-
quence of the threatened disturbances in the country.
(LEFT SITTING.)

FOREIGN SUGAR.—The Collectors and Comptrollers
of the Customs Department, at the several ports through-
out the United Kingdom, have received directions from
the Commissioners to prepare and transmit to the In-
spector-General of Imports and Exports, with the least
possible delay, the undermentioned accounts, so far as
relates to their respective ports, viz. :—An account of the
total amount of foreign sugar admitted for borne con-
sumption at the duty of 18s. 6d. per cwt., according to
the provisions of the Sugar Act of 1846, between the
sth day of July, 1848, and the date when the resolutions
of the House of Commons of the 11th of July (ultimo)
came into operation, with the amount of duty actually
received, and the amount which would have been re-
ceived thereon, if the same bad been cleared (for home
use) after the receipt of such resolutions of the lower
House of Parliament. It will be recollected that it was
at first intended that the new duties, to be sanctioned by
the resolutions of the House, and the subsequent order
of the Lords of the Treasury, directing them to take
effect, should commence from the sth of July, but it was
afterwards arranged that they should mite into opera-
tion "froul and after the 10th of July" (ultimo).

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
GUILDHALL.
Thomas Robotham, formerly in the service of Messrs.
Chaplin and Horne, the well, known railway carriers,
was placed at the bar on a charge of appropriating up-
wards of 40/. to his own use instead of using it for the
purposes for which it was given to him.
Alderman LAWRENCE asked the prisoner if he wished
to put any questinus to the witnesses or to make any
statement.
He declined doing so, and was remanded until next
Thursday.
Mr. Alderman JOHNSON. mentioned that he had re-
ceived the direction of Mr. P. Allen to place in-the poor-
box the Si. which he originally generously contributed
for the relief of John Ballad Lloyd. '
BO tV-STREET.
COMMITTAL OF Two MORE CHARTIST LEADERS.-..
James M. Bryson, one of the Chartist leaders, at whose
residence a quantity of papers relating to Chartist pro-
ceedings, a sword, and a two-edged dagger made out of
a file, were found, was placed before Mr. Hall on a war-
rant issued against him for sedition.
Mr. Haywood appeared on the part of the Crown.
The defendant was undefended, but took notes of the
proceedings.
The evidence against the defendant was that of Mr.
Bond Hughes and Police-constable Bywater, No. 116 L.
The speech, which was uttered on the 28th of July, was
in the usual style of the Chartist leaders. When the
defendant was taken into custody he made no reply.
After the evidence was completed, and on being told
that he would be committed to Newgate for trial, he said
it would be useless to say anything.
lie was then directed to find bail, himself in the sum
of 1501., and two sureties in 75/. each, when he was re-
moved from the dock.
George Shell was then placed in the dock. He moved
one of the resolutions at the same meeting, to the effect
that physical assistance should be rendered by the Eng-
lish Chartists to their Irish brethren. The apprehension
of the defendant was effected at the same time on leaving
the meeting. Ile said nothing when arrested, and also
reserved his defence.
Mr. HALL said that in the present, as in the former
case, he felt bound to commit the prisoner to Newgate;
but would, as in the former case, take bail in the same
amount, each defendant to give 24 hours' notice of bail
to the Treasury.
The two defendants, not being prepared with bail,
were subsequently removed to Newgate.
WORSHIP-STREET:

Thomas Waterman, only thirteen years of age, the
son of a cowkeeper at Shacklewell, was placed at the bar
before Mr. Arnold, charged with having wantonly beaten
and kicked a little boy named Edward ,Axe, ten years of
age, and thereby caused his death.
Mrs. Charlotte Axe, the mother of the deceased, who
was painfully affected whilst giving her evidence, stated,
that on Friday evening last her son was brought home to
her in a state of extreme suffering, which he told her
had been occasioned by ill-treatment he had received
from the prisoner, who had struck and kicked him se-
veral times on the lower part of the body. He was soon
after seized with a violent sickness* which continued
with scarcely any intermission until-tha.following Sun-
day evening, when he apPared to have somewhat reco-
vered, and went out to play in the front of the house;
but in a few minutes afterwards he hastened back to the

house and complained that the prisoner had just
second attack upon him and beaten hint severely about
the head. He remained in great pain throughout that
night, complaining of the injury in the lower part of his
belly, and, the sickness having returned with increa.ed
violence, the assistance of a surgeon was obtained; but
all his efforts to save him were unavailing, and, after
gradually sinking, he finally expired at two o'clock that
morning, and she gave instructions to the police for the
prisoner's apprehension.
Mrs. Anne Wolfe, a married woman, proved that
whilst standing at her window, between seven and eight
o'clock on Sunday evening, she saw the little boy Axe
endeavouring to escape from the prisoner, but the latter
ran after him, and struck him two or three sharp blows
with his open hand upon both sides of the head.
Police-constable Langdon, of the N division, stated
that on calling that morning on Mr. Robins, the surgeon
who attended the deceased during his illness, that gen-
tleman stated that there were 'Narks of violence anon
the lower part of the child's stomach, apparently caused
by a heavy blow kick, but that
12 until he had an op-
portunity of making a osrAortem examination of the
body, he could not say with any degree of positiveness
that those injuries were sufficient to account for the
death.

Mr. ARNOLD therefore ordered the prisoner to be re•
mended for a week, but consented to accept substantia
bail for his future appearance.

OUTHWARK.
Mr. James lngrani, of the British Museum, was sum-
moned for refusing to contribute to the maintenance of
an illegitimate child.
Mary Burn stated, that she was housemaid in the ser-
vice of a gentleman in Woburn square, and that in May,
1847, the defendant was in the habit of passing the
house to the British Museum, and on these occasions he
used to kiss his hand and beckon to her as he went by;
that soon afterwards she met him as she was going to
see her brother, and that he prevailed on her to have
some refreshment with him, and that an intimacy com-
menced which led to the birth of a child; that when she
discovered that she was enceinte she mentioned the fact
to the defendant, and he urged her to " Father it on
some young man," which advice she refused to adopt;
and that when the child was born, on being asked to
contribute to its support, he declined doing so, saying
that he should give nothing but what the law compelled
him. She added that she first made application fur re-
dress at the Marylebone police office, but that her wit-
nesses being absent from town the summons was refused.
Two witnesses were then called, one of whom proved
that she was present when the defendant was applied to
on the subject, and that she heard him use the words at-
tributed to him by the complainant. The witnesses also
stated that they used to see the defendant hovering about
the house where the complainant lived as housemaid,
and that they had seen them together.
Mr. Pelham, on the part of the defendant, said, that
the gentleman did not appear in person to answer the
summons in consequence of being afflicted with a ner-
vous disease. He (Mr. Pelham) knew the difficulties
he had to contend against in adducing evidence to con-
tradict the statements of the witnesses; but he could as-
sure the magistrate that Mr. Ingram denied that he ever
had any improper familiarities with the complainant; that
he was a man of unblemished reputation, and his denial
of.the alleged paternity did not arise from any wish on
his part to save himself the trifling expense for the sup-
port of the child, but that it was solely on account of the
attempt to fix upon him a charge which was utterly
groundless, and which was trumped up for the purpose
of extorting money from him.
Mr. Roberts submitted that he bad adduced the ne-
cessary confirmatory evidence to establish the charge
against the defendant.

Mr. SECRER said that the evidence was certainly all
on one side, and as he could see no reason for doubting
the truth of the witnesses' testimony he was bound to
adjudge the defendant the father of the child, and to
make an order on him of two shillings and sixpence per
week for its maintenance.

Nitw CHURCHES.—A Bill prepared and brought in
by Sir G. Grey and Mr. C. Lewis, M.P., continues the
Royal Commission for building now churches until the
20th day of July, 1853.
EXPORTATION Or BRITISH HARDWARES AND
CUTLERY.--By a Parliamentary paper just published, it
appears that the declared value of British hardwares and
cutlery exported from the United Kingdom in the year
ended the sth of January last was 2,341,9801. 11s. Id.,
consisting of 20 tons, 614 cwt., and 10lb.
IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROUSE OF LORDS, August 3.
IRELAND.
Lord BROUGHAM moved for copies of the procla-
mations of the Lord. Lieutenant of Ireland for the appre-
hension of traitors. This rebellion, which had become
more contemptible than detestable, because it had origi•
nated in personal vanity, had been quelled for a season;
and if anything could make him more contented than
another with these results, it was the appointment of
Sir Henry Hardinge.--(Cries of " Lord Hardinge.") He
begged pardon for mentioning him by the name by which
he had earned his honours. He had accepted, as a duty
to his country, of a situation which no man would wil-
lingly have undertaker:. Not consulting his previous
fume, and thereby affording a marvellous contrast to
those wretched persons w ho, for the gratification of
their ;personal vauity, :had been led into rebellion, he
had consented to accept a subordinate situation.
He would add his counsels to those of his Noble Friend
at the head of the Irish Government, and although
all might have been over before his arrival, yet he would
not have gone over in vain. Although the first outbreak
had been put down, yet they might have further out-
breaks. He feared that the account with Ireland was
not yet filially settled, but he thought that Noble
Lords could not better occupy themselves during the
vacation than in studying the reports of the Colonisation
Committee. They bad colonies of immense resources, of
immense fertility, in Australia and in North
America, with a most scanty and insufficient
population.ln Australia near a million of
sheep were sacrificed from the inability to find
shepherds to tend those socks. The influx of labourers
would bring about the influx of capital. He by no
means meant to say that there were no difficulties in the
question of colonization, because the mother country
wished to get rid of the bad, and the colonies only
wished to receive the good. With regard to Ireland, he
feared we had been too mild in treating the beginnings of
those outrages—we had been afraid of interfering with
that which, in the new technicology, was named agita-
tion, which was taken to mean merely dis-
cussion, but which really meant a parliament sit-
ting, if not illegally, at least after a fashi..n,
tending illegally to produce a breach of the law. These
persons had levied money without the consent of Parlia-
ment under the name of rent, not to preserve the
peace of the country but to break it. These things
had gone on to an immense extent, but ho had
never read anything with greater astonishment in his
life than he had read the letter of Mr. Labouchere,
ing the Irish people that it was their right to carry arms.
No doubt they had a right to carry arms; no doubt, tin-
der certain circumstances they had a right to resist; for
our constitution was founded on the principle of resist-
ance: it might therefore be a duty as well as a right to
carry arms. But who would preach such a doclrine as
this in Ireland, where the suggestion of arms and resist-
ance would mean nothing more nor less than rebellion?
Could it bo supposed that any one but a driveller would
be guilty of such conduct? He would again caution the
Government as to their proceedings. The disturbances
might appear to have been put down for the present, but
they might depend upon it that in Ireland these agita-
tors would have recourse to such meetings, and to the
system of clubs; and he would, in the moat friendly
sPrit to his Noble Friend opposite (the Marquis of

Lansdowne), tender Lis humble advice, that he would
consider the propriety of taking immedove steps by law
to prevent this system of clubs being contolued. Wben
he saw that fifteen proclamations had been issued—
that eight counties and parts of seven other counties,
comprising the most important portion of Inland—had
been proclaimed, he could not help considering how
much the existsnce of clubs had contributed to bringing
about this state of disturbance.—(Hear, hear.) The
measure which bad received their Lordships' sanction,
and which was commonly called the suspension of the
Habeas Corpus Act, was, in his opinion, a most impor-
tant addition to the law. No one on this side of the
water would object to this enactment, and he was sure
that it would be found most beneficial in aiding in the
restoration of tranquillity. Even if no such measure had
passed, he did not expect that anything like a convulsion
leading to a dismemberment of the empire would have
taken place, but still there could be no doubt but that a
great deal of bloodshed and a great deal of misery would
have resulted, above all to innocent persons, not
merely to the dupes of the traitorous parties, but to
others who would have no share whatever in the dis-
turbances that would take place. He had thrown out a
suggestion the other day to his Noble Friend, which he
hoped would be taken into consideration by the Govern-
ment, with respect to the inconvenience of a prorogation
of Parliament at such a period as the present. Ile had
made the suggestion, because he knew what the effect
would be of Parliament sitting, and of those evil-minded
persons knowing that a few hours could only puss over
before the Legislature interposed, with whatever powers
might be necessary, to put down any attempt at disturb-
ances that they might perpetrate. Before sitting down he
wished to say one word as to what had taken place with
respect to the passing of the last measure of coercion.
Their Lordships bad a standing order which prevented
any measure from going through more than one stage
in a single day. That standing order might be dis-
pensed with, but that they had unfortunately the stand•
ing order, Number 104, which required that no stand-
ing order of their Lordships' House could be dispensed
with without one day's notice. The resolution which
their Lordships had come to on Monday week was,
therefore, in effect, that whereas one standing order pro-
vided that PIO Bill be passed through more than one
stage in any day, and another standing order provided
that no standing order of the House be rescinded with-
out 24 hours' notice, be it therefore ordered that the
Lord Chancellor shall put the question three or four
times over in one sitting. He thought that a rather ab-
surd non sequitur to arrive at, and as there could be no
doubt but that it might be necessary to pass a measure
through all its stages at a single sitting, he was of opi-
nion that the standing order No. 104 ought net to be
continued. In 1794 Mr. Pitt passed his measure through
all its stages iu a single day; and again, when the
mutiny broke out in 1798, a similar course was adopted.
Again, in 1803, when the news arrived of the massacre
of Lord Kilwarden in Dublin, a Bill similar to that
lately adopted by their Lordships was passed through all
its stages, in both Houses of Parliament, in a single
night. If the Government had asked their Lordships
to adjourn for one hour on Saturday, until the Bill had
passed through the other House of Parliament, and if
they had adopted the precaution of having the Court in
town, the measure might have been sent over to Dublin
on Saturday night, and thus certain disaffected persons
might have been arrested before they could have had
time to leave the city. Having thus directed the atten-
tion of their Lordships and of the Government to these
topics, and more especially to the necessity of suppress.
ing the club organization, and with a cordial hope that
they would hear no more for the present of rebellion in
Ireland, he would beg to move for the production of the
papers to which he had already alluded.----(Hear, hear.)
The Earl of WICKLOW said, that although eight
counties had been proclaimed, it did not follow that they
were disturbed. He could answer for the county with
which he was connected as being tranquil, and its being
proclaimed arose from its proximity to the county of Dub-
lin. It was it great satisfaction that the rebellion had
been put down by the police, who were Irish, and com-
posed of Roman Catholics and Protestants, proving that
the Irish themselves were ready and able to put down
the insurrection.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said he would not
follow the Noble and Learned Lord (Brougham) through
the details into which he entered ; he should content
himself by his concurrence in the observations he made
with regard to colonization. He would add, although
the insurrection had been brought to such a favourable
result, they would not permit any cessation of
the precautionary and repressive measures they
had already adopted.—(Hear, hear.) It was now
clear to all that the parties who excited this in-
surrection were powerless for good, and they were un-
able to effect the object they aimed at—the establish-
ment of a republic. Although they could not carry
their designs into effect, they might still be enabled to
effect much mischief, and he thought the Noble Lord
took a fair view of the present state of Ireland, when
he admonished the Government not to relax their eflOrts
to prevent the recurrence of similar evils. He took that
opportunity to state that the Government were enabled
to effect what had been accomplished by an Act of Par-
liament conferring extraordinary powers, but not more
extraordinary than the emergency required. It it was
found necessary during the present session of Parlia-
ment to explain an Act now in force, to suppress illegal
and secret associations, it might be worthy of considera-
tion whether it would not be advisable to introduce ad-
ditional clauses, the more effectually to effect that ob-
ject. There was now a cessation of the opposition to the
Government. It was a source of satisfaction that the re-
sistance had been brought to such an issue as they re-
cently witnessed, which proved to all the world the false-
hood of the statements propagated, that disaffection
existed among the military, and that the allegations put
forward by the disaffected, that the constabulary were
inbued with the spirit of disloyalty, had proved entirely
false. These charges had received a signal contradic-
tion in the conduct displayed by the one and the other.
Upon the police the firmest reliance might be placed,
which was a force composed of Roman Catholics and
Protestants, all of whom united in the performance of
their duty. With regard tp the suggestion of the Noble
Lord (Lord Brougham) that the sittings of Parliament
should be continued, he did not think that necessary.
If affairs took a different turn from what they had every
reason to expect, it could be called together at a short no-
tice; he did not, however, considerit expedient to depar'
from the usual course.

Lord DESART complained that repressive measures
had not been adopted at an earlier period to suppress se-
dition. At a meeting which was held in Kilkenny three
of the speakers were magistrates, who used very violent
language. Doctor Kane, one of them, stated distinctly
that they should obtain repeal by force if necessary. lie
(Lord Desert) communicated to Lord Clarendon that
fact, but notwithstanding he continued to remain in the
commission of the peace. This party was now in prison
as a felon.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said it was now de-
clared on all sides that there was an armed resistance to
the law, although it had been stated a fortnight ago
there would be no rebellion. It had now broken
out, and wss suppressed by the police, whose con-
duct was worthy of all praise. It appeared, how-
ever, from the admission of every ono who had
spoken, that a conspiracy existed throughout all Ireland,
and that secret clubs had been formed, bound together
by a secret combination, trained in some degree to
arms, and connected together in opposition to the
Government. They required still the attention of Go-

verntnent, which should continue in a position to resist
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her measures wero necessary to prevent the recurrence
of such evils in future, and also the repression of similar
conspiracies which caused this country to makesuch
preparations to put it down. He hoped they would
re-
pose that confidence in the Government that they would
take all the precautions and adopt the necessary mea-
sures to prevent the recurrence of such evils.
Lord MONTEAGLE said the forbearance of the Go-
vernment had the effect of entitling them to their con-
fidence when they might ask for further powers. He
agreed with the Noble Earl (Earl Wicklow) that the
reason wby the Act had been extended to the county
Wicklow was to prevent arms being conveyed to that
county; but the Act was not intended for that purpose,
and proved that the Arms Act was inefficient. The
most effectual preventive was to disarm the people, and
for that purpose they should make an efficient Arms
Act for the permanent law of the country. He entirely
concurred in the praises which had been bestowed upon
the police; but they should recollect they were sup-
ported by the military, and he therefore hoped the Go-
vernment would continue to keep up an efficient force
of the military. It was said the rebellion was at an
end, they should not, however, treat the outbreak too
lightly.

-The returns were then ordered.
NORTH WALES RAILWAY.
Lord MONTEAGLE moved for some unopposed re-
;urns, showing the manner in which the funds raised by
,he North Wales Railway had been invested.
Agreed to.

IRISH SAVINGS' BANKS.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid upon the table
certain correspondence which had taken place with re-
spect to the Irish savings' banks.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, August 3.
SUGAR DUTIES.
The House then went into committee on the Sugar
Duties; Mr. BERNAL in the chair.
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK then rose to propose
an amendment. He observed that in the second
column of the scale of duties, the duty on double re-
fined sugar was 15.., and on single refined sugar 165.;
that being a reduciion of Is. 6d. on the first class of
refined sugar, and of is. 4d. on the second class.
The 161. scale no longer stood amongst the duties at
all, and the 18s. and 16s. were amalgamated with
one of 16s. 4d. That, however. was nothing
to the purpose, because if the duty of 17s. 4d. was a fair
amalgamation of the duties of 16s. and 18s., it was per-
fectly clear that the duty on clayed sugar should be placed
in the same position in which it ought to have been
placed, supposing the originalduty of 16s. to have stood._...
as the duties stood they were absurd. He begged,
therefore, to propose, as an amendment, that the follow-
ing duties be adopted in lieu of those in the schedule--
14s. 6d., 13s. 4d., 12s. 3d., and its. 6d.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER main-
tained that the rate of duties in the schedules were
adopted after mature consideration, and contended that
they were those which ought to be adopted by the House.
After some further discussion, the House divided,
when there appeared--
Fer the amendment ..... ............... 99
Against it ............................... 99
Majority against it ............... --70
The amendment was accordingly lost.
The House then went into Committee.
Lord G. BENTINCK observed, that in this division
of the sohedule there were six fresh blunders--(A laugh)

-- -
—but as they were blunders in favour olthe West India
planters, he had nothing to soy against thent.—(lte-
uewed laughter.) The Hon. Member for Westbury
(Mr. Wilson) shook his head. So he had to the other
quarter of hu:idred blunders in the scheme; and it was
only when the Right Hon. tenth man the Chancellor of
the Exchequer became convinced of the mistakes that
the Hon. Gentleman became suddenly convinced of them
also.—(A laugh.) The rule for the schedule was to
throw the duties half way between the duties on British
plantation sugar and those on foreign sugar, and the
reason was that schedule 2 comprised the sugars im-
ported from thcse British ports into which foreign sugars
were permitted to be imported. The calculations of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer were, however, he con-
tended, based upon false principles. The duty, as it
was proposed for 1848-49, was 17a; it ought to be
16s. 6d. The duty for 1849.50 was Bd., it ought
to be 155. 3d. The duty for 1850.51 was 14s. 4d., it
ought to be 14s. The duty for 1851-2 was 135.,
it ought to be 12s. 9d. The duty for 1852-53 was 12s.
5d., it ought to be 12s. 3d. The duty for 1853.54 was
11s. 10d., it ought to be I Is. 6d.—(Hear, hear, and a
laugh.) It was not until 1854 55 that the proposed
duty became correct. The Right Hon. Gentleman bad
taken a wrong datum line for his calculations. The test
in drawing up the schedule ought to be us follows : —lf
11. 6s. Bd., which was the duty on refined sugar in the
foreign scale, gave 11. as a duty on brown Muscovado, so
ought 11. 25., which was the duty adopted by the Right
llon. Gentleman, in like manner-give the duty which he
(Lord G. Bentinck) held ought to have been the duty
fixed for 1848-49, namely, 16s. 641., instead of that ac-
tually proposed, 17s.—(Hear.) In fact the Right Hon.
Gentleman seemed to have got into a terrible mist about
his figures.—(A laugh.) The schedule, to be sure, was
of no great importance, and be (Lord G. Beutinck)
would leave it to the House to decide upon its adoption,
with all its errors on its bead. There was auo:her
trifling blunder of little importance, except as a
blunthr.—(A laugh.) The drawback on refined
sugar was intended to be Is. 4d. more than on
bastard sugars. The duty ought in that case to have
been 16s. 3d., not as it was proposed to be, 16s. 4d.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who
was nearly inaudible, was understood to say that the
Noble Lord was not correct in the grounds of calculation
which he had advanced. The schedule was of very little
importance, but with the view of obtaining for the West
India body a greater degree of protection than they now
enjoyed—the duty on British brown clayed sugar was
fixed in the same proportion above that of Muscovado
sugar, as was the duty on foreign brown clayed above
that on foreign Muscovado.
The division of the schedule was agreed to.
The third division of the same schedule was agreed to.
On the schedule respecting drawbacks (as we under-
stood) being put,
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK put it to the House,
whether they would incur the shame of sending forth the
scale before them, so full as it was of inaccuracies. The
scheme would certainly do no credit to the House.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the amount had been calculated upon the ordinary rule,
and he believed that tested by that rule they were correct.
Lord G. BENTINCK moved the restoration of clause
6 of the Act 9 and 10 Vic., c. 63, viz., " And be it
enacted, that no sugar shall be admissible to entry for
home consu motion at the said rates of duty, as being
the growth and produce of any foreign country, unless
the master of the ship importing the same shall prove
to the satisfaction of the cfficera of her Majesty's Cus-
toms at the port of importation, if required to do so,
that such sugar is bona fide the growth and produce of
the foreign country from which it is imported." The
effect of this clause would be to protect the refiner of
this country from the refined sugar of the Continent,
and the warehousemen of this country from the sugar
warehoused in Antwerp, Amsterdam, and Hainburgh.
lie would take this opportunity of contradicting a state-
ment made by the Hon. Member for Westbury us to en
intention existing on the part of the Belgian• Legisl-
ature of doing away with the system of bounties. There
was no such project of law before the Belgian Cham-
bers ; and the report of the Minister of Finance of Bel-
gium stated that no intention to introduce such a mea-
sure was entertained.
Mr. WILSON opposed the clause, and after a few
words from Mr. BARELY,
The Committee divided, when there appeared--
For the clause
Against it
78
Majority
—47
Lord G. BENTINCK then moved another clause,
making it lawful for persons engaged in refining sugar
in bond for exportation, under the 3 and 4 Will. IV.,
and 8 and 9 Vict., cap. 91, to enter the same for home
consumption under certain regulations.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER opposed
the clause ; and after a few words from Mr. Thompson,
Mr. Barkly, Mr. Wilson, Mr. J. B. Smith, Mr. Baillie,
and Mr. Henley,
The Committee divided, when there appeared--
For the amendment ......... • 4l
Against it
73
Majority., -
—32
The amendment was consequently lost.
The remaining resolutions having been agreed to, the
House resumed, the Bill was reported with amendments,
and the report was ordered to be received to-morrow
(this day) at 12. o'clock.
CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL.
On the motion that the House resolve itself into Com-
mittee on the Corrupt Practices at Elections Bill,
Colonel SIBTHORP objected to this measure in tote.
It would be impossible to carry it through during the
present session without great injustice to so many Hon.
Members who were elsewhere engaged in the discharge
of various public duties. He put it to the Noble Lord
whether it was fair, in the present state of the House
and of the session, to proceed with a measure of such
vital importance.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he had thought it had been
understood on the last evening that there should be no
discussion on the resumption of the Committee on this
Bill; he therefore should not enter upon any debate.
All he could say was, early in the session he' had been
blamed by one-half the House for not bringing forward
some such measure, and it seemed he was now blamed
by the other half for proceeding with the Bill.
After a few word from Mr. ANSTEY,
Sir 11. HALFORD said that as the House was about
to legislate for the prevention of corrupt practices at
elections, he thought some care ought to be taken to
provide against the improper use of Government patron-
age for election purposes. The House would understand
what he meant from a short statement of facts. It
would be remembered that the two late sitting Memberis
for the borough of Leicester had been unseated on the
ground of having, by their agents, been guilty of bribery.
The facts were these:—On the sth of July last a mail-,
coach which went through Leicestershire was discon-
tinued; and a walking messenger was substituted to
carry the mail. The parties interested unanimously ex-
pressed a wish to the post-office inspector who had been
sent down to make the arrangements, that a particular
person in whom they had confidence should be ap-
pointed
to the post. The answer returned was by a
letter from the private secretary of the Postmaster-
General, which stated that the appointment had been
placed at the disposal of
Mr. Gardner, the Member for
Leicester. Now, at this time,
and for three weeks be-
fore, Mr. Gardner had ceased to be Member for that
borough. Now he did notquestiOe the right of the
Government to dispose of its patronage as it might
think fit, neither did he speculate why the County Mem-
bers should be in disgrace, but he must say that many
residents in the county of Leicester felt indignant that
the appointment should have been placed in the hands of
Mr. Gardner, a gentleman who had no connexion with
the county, and was only known in the borough from the
last election. Of course, when Mr. Gardner- received
the appointment he applied to fill it-up to the very per-
sons who had carried his election by bribery. In justice
both to the Government ind the House, he felt bound
to make this statement of facts.
After a few words from Mr. URQUHART,
Mr. BAGGR thought some answer ought to be given
by the Government to the statement made by his Hon.
Friend and Colleague.
Lord J. RUSSELL replied that be had not heard any-
thing of the circumstances just Mentioned, and perhaps
the Hon. Member would repeat the question when
some Member of the 'Government connected with the
Post-office was present.
After a few words from • Mr. Elliot, Sir H. Halford,
and Mr: Newdegate, the conversation dropped, and the
House went into Committee.
The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Bernal) stated the motion
before the Committee was that the words " such in-
quiry and investigation to be made on the spot by the
Commissioners to be appointed under this Act " at the
end of clause 2, be struck out.
Mr. C. ANSTEY supported the amendment for the
omission of the words read by the Chairman. He should
vote for the omission of the words, and he should also
feel it to be his duty to oppose the measure in every
stage, in doing which he should endeavour to compel the ' Noble Lord to elect between the present Bill and those
measures that he had stated it to be essential should be
passed during the present session.
Mr. HODGSON should offer all the opposition in his
power to the-Bill. -
Mr. SPOONER said that not one single word had
been offered by the Government in explanation of the
Bill, and when any Hon. Member got up to argue
against it the opposite side deserted their benches. He
had hitherto supported the measure, but from the con-
duct of the Government he had reason to believe he had
justly incurred the obloquy and censure of his Hon. and
Gallant Friend, as there was an evident want of sin-
cerity on the part of the Noble Lord. The Bill would
entail great expense, and one which would be quite use-
less, by the employment of barristers as commissioner',
for it would be necessary to have counsel on both sides.
It was, therefore, far better to leave the matter in the
hands of the present tribunals.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL entreated Hon. Gen-
tlemen not to enter into discussions not affecting the
clause under consideration, as that would only promote
the object openly avowed by the Hon. and Learned
Member for Youghal, that, namely, of defeating the Bill
by delay. The present clause had already undergone
discussion of three or four hours, and the chief evil
attendant upon adjourning the consideration of par-
ticular clauses appeared to him to be that Hon. Members
forgot what had been said during former discussions.
He hoped the House would permit a division to be
speedily come to, and thought such division would be
accepted as final with respect to the appointment of
Commissioners.

Mr. HENLEY thought that the question of Post•ofce
patronage, which had been incidentally touched upon,
was One of great importance, as in hia opinion Govern-
ment patronage was one of the sources of corruption
which the object of the Blil was to put down. He did
not think the decision of the Committee upon the pre-
sent clause ought to have any effect upon the other parts
of the Bill.

Mr. MULLINGS supported the amendment, and re-
commended that the whole subject should be postponed
until the next session.