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1848.

brought before him, which he plainly saw had arisen f Lord J. RUSSELL observed that the debate might
from a bad state of moral discipline on board the vessels. be continued when the House went into Committee on
. •
He had lately taken pains to make inquiries on the the resolutions.
subject from some professional men, and every one of Lord G. BENTINCK—But we don't luieeur it to go,
them confirmed the opinion he entertained on the sub- into Committee.—(A laugh.)
jcct. He did not mean to cast an imputation generally Lord JOHN RUSSELL—If the amendment Sho o'
on the mercantile marine of this country; he spoke of not be carried, and Hon. Gentlemen opposite woUld, t nj‘)..4l
particular trades, and of vessels making short voyages, low the division when taken, to be so far conclusive,z
and was aware that the Thames, the Clyde, Liverpool, as to percnit the Bill to be brought in, he should no!, ,
and Bristol formed exceptions. It had been asked object to adjourn the debate.—(Cries of "Go on, aucl--
br iblf to ,et men from the mar- " id Dive.")
_ _ -ould not

Mr. HERRIES said the Noble Lord's plan wo.
do, as if he and his friends should be in a majority, as
they intended to be—(A laugh)—tke Noble Lord would'
not have the opportunity of expressing Isis opinions 00
the subject at all.
Mr. CARDWELL observedthat 'it 'will generally
understood that the debate would be further adjouroe"d.
and he, as well as several other Hon. Members, wi9l
to take part in it, which they could not do if it were
brought to a close that evening.
Mr. 11. BAILLIE asked, why not resume it on Mon-
day ?
Lord J. RUSSELL had no other objection than that
the Hon. Member for Dorsetsbire having given notice of
to
a direct vote of censure on the Government, it would
scarcely proper to allow it to stand over until after the
holidays.—(Divide.)
Mr. BRIGHT, who spoke amid cries of nh, "
and much interruption, suggested that if the Noble Loll
had not made a positive arrangement as to Monday, Su
debate might be resumed on that day, and the queetiV;
as to the Spanish correspondence Might, be deferred t "
a later day ie the week.
Mr. HERRIES suggested that it was not im
that the discussion on his Hon. Friend's (Mr. Bankel.
motion might conclude at an early hour—(A
so, the adjourned debate might be taken afterwards 0'
the same night.
Lord J. RUSSELL, who again protested against oni
delay which should retard the introduction of the 13;__
beyond the period when the House adjourned for. ill
holidays, expressed his concurrence with the 11,_gh.
Hon. Gentleman's suggestion, and, supposing the
should come on on Monday after that on Spanish affaall',
he hoped Hon. Gentlemen would permit it to be brag
to a conclusion on that night, He should have occsdle
to detain them but a very short time. possible
The question that the debate be adjourned till Mondg'
next was then put—the Speaker declaring the " gara'
to be the majority ; the " noes," however, densande,
division, and the House divided, when there appeared.....
For the adjournment
Against it
RUSSELLofroirt)m- oMonday,
proposeda),,
after
the
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Lord J. aj
of the debate
affairs.
Mr. RICARDO said it was hopeless to expect:ll;oi
debate would come on on Moiaday in that case. It ..„0
better, therefore, to fix a precise day for the restuuPSlw
of the debate. t. all
Lord J. RUSSELL said it had better stead the
events for Monday. They could then decide when
-
e fixd e
hthaetel-aodjlo6uSsrpn:etoer.
debate would come on. '4OO
The debate was accordingly adjourned till Monc,lll';
PRISONS.
On the motion of the SOLICITOR-GENEtta". Ar
was given to bring in a Bill to facilitate the ra'aee:pg,;#o.,
money by corporate bodies for building or..tePP"-],s.av
prisons.
INCLOSURE OF LANDS. , tea
On the motion of Mr. C. LEWIS leave was
bring in a Bill to authorise the inclosure of certaal 'TOO
in pursuance of the third, and also of a. rej
of the Inclosure Commissioners of England and ".-eye
The House then adjourned at a Quartet Ps' -
o'clock.

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how it wou_ is possible get
chant service to join the navy in case of need, with-
out having recourse to impressment. This was scarcely
a fair question to put to a professional man, but he did not
hesitate to state his firm belief, that if this country was
to-morrow involved in a war, the necessary consequence
would be a stoppage, to a certain extent of trade, which
would throw a number of men out of employ in the
ports, and it would not be difficult to get volunteers for
the navy among them. However, he certainly should
not recommend impressment, for there would he no
necessity to have recourse to it.—(Hear, hear.) The
Noble Lord opposite (Lord Ingestre), at the beginning
of his speech, had asked another question, to which he
(Lord John Hay) thought it right to give an answer.
The Noble Lord asked, what the country had got by
free-trade measures. His reply was "You have got
everything you expected, and I only hope the repeal of
the navigation-laws may be as successful as had been
the repeal of the corn-laws."—(lronical cheers from
the Protectionist, benches.) He (Lord John Hay)
understood the meaning of those cheers ; but
1 he would tell Hon. Gentlemen opposite that he
had looked into and understood as well, and was as much
attached to, the agricultural interests as they were, and
he defied those Hon. Gentlemen to disprove the fact that
property had been sold, and farms been let, at higher
prices and on better terms than was the case before the
corn-laws were altered.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HILDYARD (\Vhitehaven) said, as a young
Member of the House, he hoped to be allowed, even at
this period of a protracted debate, to state shortly the
grounds upon which he felt it his duty to oppose the
resolutions which had been brought forward by her Ma-
j, sty's Government. In spite of the opinion expressed
by his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Gladstone) to the con-
trary, he (Mr. Hildyard) held that the onus lay upon
the Government to show the necessity for incurring so
serious a risk as their proposition involved, and what
rational likelihood there existed of gain to the country
which induced them to undertake that risk. No Hon.
Member on the other side of the House had remarked
upon the immense stake which was involved in this ex-
periment. The capital embarked in shipping by this
country was not less than 40,000,0001., irrespective of the
capital embarked in occupations connected with shipping.
Hon. Members opposite had spoken of the owners
of this capital as though they were a protected class,
and could well afford the reduction in their profits
which this measure must inevitably produce. A greater
error could not exist than to suppose that the capital em-
barked in shipping was concentrated in the hands of a
tew rich individuals; on the contrary, he knew that in
the port he had the honour to represent a very large
portion of the tradesmen and all the retired merchants
there had, according to their respective means, embarkd
their property in the shipping connected with that port;
and let the House consider the immense ruin that must
fall upon these individuals if this experiment of the Go-
vernment failed. Let them remember the number of
hands who gained a livelihood from shipping, besides
the sailors, who, by reason of a failure in this proposi-
tion, would be involved in ruin. In such an event, what
was to become of the enormous body of sailors who
would be thrown out of employ; and who were utterly
unfit for any other occupation? No one had at-
tempted to deny—on the contrary, it had been admitted
by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, by the Hon. and
Gallant Member for Gloucester (Captain Berkeley),
and by the Noble Lord who had just sat down—that the
prosp ,rity of the commercial marine was essential to
the efficiency of the naval service. Such being the risks
to which capital, the men engaged in the service, and
the empire would be exposed, what was the necessity
and what the advantages held out by the Government
to induce the House to consent to incur these risks? In
the first place, it was stated that the policy adopted by
other nations made it necessary for this country to
change its policy, and two nations, viz., Prussia and
America, had been named. He cared not whether or
not the intimation which had been given to this country
was to be regarded as a threat and menace, because
there was no probability that Prussia was, or would be,
able to carry that menace into execution. That menace
he could trace to 'the ill-advised course taken by the
Hon. Gentleman at the head of the Board of Trade,
when he told a merchant whO asked him to relax the
navigation-le4'i in' a particular instance, that he
thought those laws required alteration, and he re-
gretted he had no power to interfere to alter the provi-
sions of the statute. Language of that sort soon became
known to foreign powers, and they would as soon at-
tempt to take advantage of it.—(Hear, hear.) He be-
lieved that the loose mode in which this sort of language
had been used by persons in high official stations caused
the threat of Prussia on the one hand, and the soft in-
vitation of America on the other.—(llear, hear.) But
no reasonable man could believe that Prussia had the
poWer to carry her threat into effect. And now as to
the soft invitation of America. The suggestions of Mr.
Bancroft might have been made in perfect good faith on
his part, but it did not follow that the executive powers
in America would carry those suggestions into effect,
even after this country bad adopted them. America was
not rescinding her navigation-laws pari possu with this
country, but was watching the proceedings of the Bri-
tish Legislature; and in the end, if the American Execu-
tive should be left in a minority, in what condition would
this country be? Assuming that America acted with
good faith, we must give up to her our colonial trade,
and she had nothing like it to give us in return.—(flear.)
It might be an advantage to give up the coasting trade
of this country if. America would throw open hers; for
the probability was that America could take none of
ours, while her immense sea-board, with its constantly
developing trade, would be in some measure thrown into
our hands. The number of American vessels engaged
in the coasting trade was as great as the whole of those
engaged in the foreign trade. As to our colonial trade,
it was said the colonies demanded this measure. He
denied it. They had demanded relaxation with regard
to themselves, and we., were about to give it to all the
world, which, so far from lasing a boon, would be a
positive disadvantage to the colonies. Hon. Gentlemen
had contended that this measure was due to the co•
lonies as a compensation for the late free-trade mea-
sures; others defended the measure as a benefit to the
consumer at home. -But bow could it be beneficial to
both? If the 'reduction of freight went into the
pockets of the colonists, where would be the advan-
tage to the consunaerLat home? One fact ought to be
borne in mind. Since the Ist of ILarch the corn duties had
again come into operation, and a duty of 6s. or 7*. had
been imposed. Corn had not, however, risen in price;
the obvious inference was, that before the duty was re
imposed the difference had gone into the pocket of the
foreign corn-grower. Here was the fallacy of the boasted
doctrines of free trade; the reeenue of this country was
robbed to enrich foreigners.—(Hear, hear.) The case
of Canada had been strongly relied on by the supporters
of this measure. It was said the Americans were carry-
ing away the whole traffic of the St. Lawrence, and there-
fore we must have competition. Why, it was competi-
tion which had caused the mischief • and how could an
increase of competition remedy it?—(Rear,l hear.) But
the great question was, could we or 'could we not success-
fully compete with those in whose favour we were about
to legislate? If we could, why make auy exceptiona at
all—why exclude the coasting trade from the com-
petition ? The measure itself implied distrust
in the efficacy of what was proposed.—(Hear, hear.)
After twenty-four years experience of*the reciprocity
system, he found that there bad entered inwards of
British ships from Norway, Sweden, Holland, and
Prussia, 118,207 tons; while the shipping of those coun-
tries entered inwards amounted to 665,600 tons. Thus,
although at the cloSe of the war we had the whole car-
rying trade in our hands, we now retained only about
one-seventh.—(Hear, hear.) How did Mr. Porter, the
great authority of the Board of Trade, after the Hon.
Member for Glasgow (Mr. Macgregor) had ceased to
instruct Ministers there—(Laughter)—how did he deal
with this fact? He alleged that our ships had found
more profitable employment. It was clear that the
operation of the reciprocity treaties had been precisely
the opposite of what was represented. The case was
stronger when British and Russian shipping were com-
pared. In 1846, the amount of British shipping en-
tered inwards from Russia was 452,438 Ions; of Rus-
sian, 65,000 tons. In the very next year the amount
of British shipping was 541,000 tons ; of Russian,
128,000 tons ; the increase being about one-fourth in
our case, - and- .double in that or Russia. (Hear;
hear.) The reason was that Russia, like America,
encouraged her shipping; and unless we did the same
how could we compete with them on equal terms? The
consequence must be that we should be stripped of our
commercial marine, and should soon be left utterly de-
fenceless.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member for Man-
chester had talked of our having arrived at a new era,
when glory, power, and supremacy, had passed away.—
(No, no.) At least that was the; sum and substance of
what he said, and the sentiment had been vociferously
cheered by those around him.—(Cheers.) He wished the
he" ppnseuweorase"dmight prove as prosperous as the one which
passing away. He (Mr. Hildyard) could not
but be reminded of the speculation of one of our greatest
modern poets, who, sitting amongst the ruins of a cele-
brated city of antiquity, had antieipated a like fate ford
modern empires.—(Hear, hear.) If the House should
unfortunately contribute to such a result, they would
have the mortification of
aortleifldecbsienrign
bringing
otihiehyishaadoenuooti
done so from any necessity, but merely for theh
ministering to a false and hollow liberality. (Cheers.)
a(dCjoseuerrns4
Sir J. WALSH moved that the debate
tahnedgsatlrlaernigeesrws
awreereeleaorredde,red to withdraw; but, before.
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House intended J RUSSELL
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should be moved, in order togcoivreretshpe6;tmHdgcoeonnuc.ldeA,lemabmereufdor.:
Dersetshire an opportunity of
naolltdb elle re-
sumed thism n td foundedebate
were
oner e thefu r t
h Spanisher
adjourned,
before Thursday, when the discussion on the re-
solution could scarcely be taken before Whitsuntide, he
hoped the House would consent to go to a division at
once on the amendment of the Right Hon. Member for
Stamford.—(Cries of " No," "Adjourn," and " Go on.")
Mr. RICARDO also urged the propriety of dividing
at once on the main question.
Sir J. WALSH must insist on his motion, as he and
many others intended to express their opinions on this
preliminary step.--{Cries of " Go on, " Adjourn," and
"Divide.") •
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BANK OF ENGLAND.
(From last night's Gazette.)
,
An Account, pursuant to the Act 7tis sad iitk of Victoris. c-r 4Pt
o
the Week ending on Saturday, the 27th day of Mo. 11
TsfitYK DITIATKC XT. A: 10

1009;
Government debt •• ,•• 11 •
Oter securities •• • SP, •C
Gold coin And bullion 11,41 fr
Silver bullion • • • • • •
_2/10,
i • _ • 26'dlittr';
—U. MAIZSIIALL,RtiIoreS—

Gevsminent ',if
, ties (including Doan LI, Or 711•••-s
Weight Annuity)• • 11,5 j, 60
Other securities •• • • 6,0," of
Notes ...... • • • • • • • • li"
'Gold and sliVer coin.•
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M. MARSHALL, ai'lL"
yi Vllo'
RAILWAY SHARE MAltium
trs.
LIVERPOOL, Jima 2. OeVi/
tO3
STOCK EXCHANON.—The prices of shares en- "It
improved, and business in general has a better %,°°;j,
sales are—Eastern Counties, New, •la Shares, 119.
Lancashire and Yorkshire, Fifths, 11h c. __
(Al°
(late Liverpool and Bury), 91,1 dis.—Ditto, -"A" 10'tber:
West Riding Union), 4% c. dis.—London sTsseltie.,itot
Western, 128;/2—Ditto, New Quarters, 1% p. 'f
ar •-Drsh
ffi Sheeld,- and Lincolnshire, 101 Preference _ d
Y.L,
Quarters, 5 dis.—Midland Stock, 103—Ditto,
.—N_CDTaihtEtios,:arroe.sß4,.
Dover, No. 3,B3:NdliGisil.
531 c. dis.—North Staffordshire, 2% tore rl'
and Cheater, 101. Preference, 2% p.—South-r;....%
Newcastle, and Berwick (N. and B. Extension), -' es'
Srocx EXCEI UM{ 2. d
shire, and Cheshire Junction, 7 _ are—. Ir
_Alob atop'
n.
Yorkshire (West Riding Union), Preference, 5-I.,Ty nr.g,
chaster, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire, Quarters
4.'h,-;reto,.;',
Ditto, Preference, par—Ditto (Grimsby), 2-?,t'l c./
jThi444,2%,u7.2,1;,_'
dis.—Ditto (Sheffield and Liecolnshire); l'-"6 Sr*"°
Midland (Bristol and Birmingham), 118%--sortll,,
shire, 2 7-16 n. dis.—South-Eastern and 13)ve-'
24 'c. dis. • .
• ' 1.7 rl5
BIRMINGHAM, Jugs 2. Ir*
STOCK EXCHANON.—The sales • are—F.9lldr ;I, dot ti
Western, 128—Ditto, New, I;p.—York, r°3°- a
13.kenhes
A rote.
Berwick, No. 2 '(New Berwicks),
tingham, and Boston, 2%. dis.—Birmingham,
ton,, and Stour Talley, 2,4 dis.—Great Northern, sod
North. Staffordshire, 51s. .3d.' dis.—Shrewvbori,3,
raingham (A), 86s. 3d. dis.—Shropshire Union,
polio
PUILLNTRZOrIC SOCILTT, ST. G2osolll -.5 Of to,
—Yesterday afternoon a quarterly general. coup,roto
governors of this society, was held at the Lod° io re
Bisnopsgate-street, William Gladstone, Pcllooo Pr.
-A!
chair. The accounts for the quarter hsiing ~,0600111;
sented and the roceedings of the commit[' d
the treasurer stated that the Duke 'of liin,urir ‘`,o,":oo`,
preside at a publio meeting, shortly to be De',,-,.# elfgf".oo •
purpose of petitioning Parliament to 000 eficY. "811'
measures for the prevention of juvenile delinguns of tag .
the reformation of youthful offenders', by jilheeiir of ;100
gious and industrial 'education:" The nornr,„ioed ;.
now in the asylum is 136, and' the number a,"""sgistr.foll.,
various prisons,
.or on recommendation or 11. gore
during the last Oa 'months, has reached 50' nog c°,OlV
and definite powers were given to On mandel, el .1
mittee, to which Lord Westminster 'Ws! veil
several munificent subscriptions to the ots°
Fund " having been announced, thanks were
chairman, and the meeting separated.
..001* • die
• Tae Eftitott.gb PEttstottnit siso
Local Battalion 'of Enrolled Pensioners of tsojoiofis :4
consisting of, 35b .men, inclUding non
51. 24104
officers, assembled ou Tuesday in front oons",hort
Barracks, and formed into six &visions under woo '7OO ;
of Captain Richard Jenkins. The battalio.n.o9,oooso
marched to the Great Lines, attended wit* t thr°_tost
• Tien "
and fifes of the corps, when these veteran' oo
a field-day. The battalion having utareheu plOO,Oll
and quick time, and performed the manual orins fro'';!
ezercisie, went tkrough a varier of 121113 Tattslion too
the utmost precision and celerity. 'This
ei
reviewed last summer by the *ecretarY-4 dog beet
Lieutenant-Colonel Tulloch and.the Comlnt,it. 11/81,
is
garrison, who were pleased to egprese spperi, for'
satisfaction of this corps of pensiones, wp'..'ffeise:lbs
average from 39 to 45 years of , age, and are
due,7. 0,1,
any service whatever. The day was very . 007
company on the ground; including sellra_ woo
officers, was numerous. After the battalto:
missed Captain Jenkins gave a' dinner *to th,suottO
missioned officers, to the number of" 22, tu
having completed their drill on the 30th ult..,ooosioe,%'
ADVEATISEMENT.j—TKX EARL 07 It, 00 0n:
AND HOLLOWAT'a Pmts.—An astounding Ctrs ItY ;Trot,
medicine, after every other means had failed. " res. 1,4
Lordship's letter, dated " Villa Alessi's, Loghs: voar fns Os'o
Professor Hollowar—Sir : I beg to Acquaint yel hatt, lOC'
effected a cure .1 a disorder is -my liver and stoe7,ot, pAi
eminent of the faculty, at hone and all ever the
of
been able to effect; hay. not ever. the Waters of
irarkai
rienbad. (Signed) " ALD10101(G11." VW*
cure any disease or the'llyir or stemach.—S•ld
t, ittoP
Ointm.nt) at Professor Holloway's Eitablishinen 3_17. •
hY all medicine vendors throgghset aka eivilJai.l
, It.
• 1111CT214. ' 0
On the 30th ult., at Fitzroy-square, the 1(r1
Wotton, of a daughter. n-Parir'
On the 31st ult., at Clarendon-road, Keesiosto
C. Foulgar, of a son. altnltr
On the 26th ult., at Hartley Rectory, near r r
ni
the wife of the Rey. J. T. Plumeir, n• of a soo• ft*
CrCro
On the 26th ult., the lady Of the Rev. C.
thorpe Rectory, of a' elm. /JO'
e.
the 29th ult. in Great' George-street, /JOvat
Cl
Onark, of a son.- • • •
1, d f;'"
the 30th' ult., at Hamilton-place, 8"r"roe
of Wakefield, E., of a son. 14:1
Cucl;6l
OT.
the
the 30th ult.,nat Warninglid, near
Brickenden,
st ult., of a son. wife ° •
On the 31 at Howley-place Villas, L"' " •
Robins, En., of a son.
0.0, I
/I RR.I " r )009
On the 13th ult., at St. James's Church, virsipoi_dis
the Rey. J. S. Whitin, C. B. Coney, Esq., °fr. G, "Is"-
Nortolk, to Elizabeth the widownf the Rev.
of Sudbury, Suffolk. Gelb I°
," •
al". Bel:Wong
On the 26th ult., W. Ward, Esq., of Gl,l d
the county of Northampton. Sam aec°l,
On the 27th ult., aged 22, William .
E. Nason, Esq., Nuneaton, Warvrickshire:c, otap;
‘;
On the 30th ult., at Worthing, T. Caul
?JOT' ,
Mount, Middlesex, aged 62.
Mrs. Caroline -es-
On the 30th ult., at Enfield, giddies 0 C:l3' oick!
74, widow of J. Munro, EN., of Ilad.2Y,aotboi,
i;Aryji
On the 31st nit., at Windsor, Sir W. ritet;of ; •••:
On the 31st ult., aged 39, Dirs. Jane
lts°
villas, Putney. •aged 16. I, P.,
At Dalston-rise, J. Powell, Esq., ag_
On the 29th ult., at MulgraVs-P",°' • G
Esq., aged 79. "if w. /144Wriso!lr"
On the 30th ult.,at Berrniandsel,, r•_
On the 28th ult., at Wilford, Harts,
wife of G. F. Healey; tged 26:

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