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HOUSE OF COMMONS,
THE FACTORIES BILL.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition ofacAt*PS M
Mr. LABOUCHERE was quite haepy to agree with the last
speaker in several points, but these were matters which required much
consideration, and although he had befote given Ir s thoughts upon
the subject to the Ikus;., he telt it necessary not to Fuller
this dt bate to close without stating his sentiments. This
was neither more nor less than an attemps to reduce the productive
newer of th s maentaetnring country by one-eixth. In stating this
fact, however, he was me insensible of the claims of the b*t and
numerous end important class to which this Bill referred. Ther
were In the eyes of the Great creator of all teen the meet important
of all classes, because he viewed all his creatures 3bl:a and with the
same favour, and this was the most important Locnr.v it was the
most nurneroes.-(( beers) He had supported his Noble Friend
Lord Ashley in Ills Bid for rreventitee the working of women in coal-
mines underground, hut it w is allowed on all hands that it was One
of the most delicate of all rex to s to Mee vere betwe en the
employer and the employe a, and •.ee 1 • a, ;et.. it, recol-
/octet!, from the report of the Fo.t-- withreefted to
Manchester, where there were ti else et manufactures carried
on that of the cnt-men cotton erte,e, that for testetes, and heat t'r
pins-end it was the custom, when children were too young to be swatinto the button factories, to semi them to the iustian cutters, and if
too yoene for that they were sent to the phi-niakers, so
that there was no avoidance of the evil. The Rigid
ouraele Gentleman le re quoted the' resort of the F 514,
tory Commiesioncrs to prove his aseertion. Seat then sroeeedsd
Cu
say, .that if the-Nouse were to adopt the nritteinle ui int'rf'rence
L tour they would have to turn two-thirds of tee whoie lOpt-
tlation into cemm,ssioners.-( [Tear, hear.) Tins was contrary to She
whale princiele.of the constitution, and such as coent never he used
with anything like effect. They were, in fact, atremptiee ;le impose
stility, and he must say that lie did not think that the lion. 3:em-
ber for Oldham. (hir. Fielden) had acted with entire fair-
ness and candour on this occesion. That lionoareble Mem-.
her, wee, frotn his high standing as a inanufaeturer and as a
man, was deservedly rilli ltd to the very highest eartideration
among the operatives. had stated, on the moving of the second
reading of this Bill, that there Was to be no reduction of profits, no
reduction of wages, no reduction of produce. Why, how could ho
reconcile the whole of this evident anomaly ? Were the manufac-
turers to give twelve hours' wages for ten hours' work,
and yet be losers neither in profit or produce? He confessed
that he could net conceive how ouch a result Cars to be obtained.
He understood that in numerous it starees families were at the pre-
sent moment leaving these mills ; short tune was worked to obtain
employineut in those that worked the usual time.-(Hear, hear.)
But there was no such thing uren record as workmen leaving mills
that worked twelve hours to go to those that worked but ten or
eleven. a»d if those tarts did not carry conviction to the minds of
Honourable Gentlemen es to the feeling entertained by the working
classes web regard to this measure, he real knew not what would.
-(Hear, hear.) While he was upon the subject lie would venture
to react to the House an extract from a letter which he had lately-
received from a gentleman who had permitted him to make the
communication to the House, and which, both from its nature and
the high authority of the writer, was well worthy of attention. Ha
was sure that it conta'ued arguments much more conclusive than
any which he (Sir. Labourer re) could introduce. It was a letter
om hir. William Greg, brother of 3tr. R. H. Greg, manufacturer,
Manchester, who had introdueed the eleven 'our system into his
ruin. Ile bald that they had -tried
the' red-uction.of the hours of
labenr from twelve to eleven urse and that when Mr. Greg found
that fhe loss in the amountirtofoproduction seas so serious that he
difference between him, and they ur
could not continue the Sl:r
unanimously
s ent unless
said theytttt dtihvel ey
.td,
would
prefer the twelve hour system
Ttoha3:s own wages -(lice .)
An Hon ureb'e Aixsums- I the party that wrote .n favour
of the ten hour system. - (Near, and laughter.)
Mr. LABOljellEttE-From the calculation whicb Ile had made a
ten hours 11111 would reduce the wages of the
working classes about
25 per cent., and an eleven hours 11111 13 Per cent. He only men-
tioned this to show the great care and cousideration that ouelit to
be made use of by the Legislature before they suddenly passed such
a measure as this.- (Hear, hear.) lie believed that lion. Members
who said that this Bill would not lower the wages of the manu-
facturing classes laboures under a very great delusion.-(Hear.)
His own belief was that the meagre, if passed. would at no
distant day caese a fearful strengle between the capitalists of this
country and those who are the cinelo ed. And the fearful conse-
quence:, of thet straggle would eveidu.ally reeeil upon the heads of
the working classes, for whose Leneet this Bill professed to be.-
(Hear, hear.) He did not say that that struggle would come imme-
diately. If they passed this Bill they would reduce the productive
power of the manufacturing population of this country one-sixth
at least. The foreign manufacturers, who in some places worked at
the present time upwards of twelve hours per day- (Hear, hear)-
would then be fearful and certainly successful rivals of the English
manufactures. The foreign capitalist, with unrestrained hours of
labour, would be able to fill up the gap which this Bill would pro-
duce, . He should deeply regret if this session, which would witness
the unshackling of commerce, would also witness the restriction of
that commerce for the benefit of which the other great measure was
expressly brought forward.- (Hear, hear.) This was indeed a deli-
cate subject to encounter. It was true that this measure did not, in
so many words, seek to limit the hours of the adult population
of the manufacturing district, but it we Id have that effect. The
deputies of manufacturing classes admitted that it Would have that
tendenc, ; and he therefore thought that it was most unfair to
argue in support of the Pill that it would only limit the hours of
yourig persons. It was' un 'oubtedly true, and he observed with
great pleasure, that there did exist among the working classes of
this country an increased desire for leisure, and for the improvement
of their moral and istelleetual faculties. That desire was at the
present time being largely carried into effect in the metropolis and
other large towns, but it was a voluntary arrangement between the
masters and their workmen -(Hete', hear.) Both desired to do so,
and it was a movement to which every one must wish success. But
there was a wide difference between arrangements of that kind and
a compulsory enactment of the Legislature. He must decline the
responsibility of making those experiments with the labour of his
fellow-countrymen, which was the most important interest in this
country. He was opposed to an eleven as well as a Ten Hours' Bill,
but of the two evils he should certainly prefer the Eleven Hours'
Bill.- (Hear. hear.)

4, 1846.

P

ii:Hoenioldiut London
rating the benefits to be derived from this railway besides the actual
saving of moi•ey to the people of the district. Not only would agri-
cultural produce and manure be carried by this railway in immense
quantities, but there are also large quarries of excellent buildli,g
s,one, minerals, coals, and lime. Of the latter article, inimetise
quantities ve-uld be used for agricultural produce, if coal could be
obtained to prepare it. There were in this district 2,000,000 acres cf
tillage, and, each acre requ:eng two tons of lime, would require fur
the whole district 500,000 tons of that article. We con 4 effect an
average saving in the price of coals throughout the district of Ios,
per ton, or a total saving of 360,0001.
Mr. Sergeant WRANOILIM, after some further remarks on the
general merits of the lint., sail the question for their Lordships to
consider wa., whether they would allow the scheme proposed by his
i earned Friend, t, give that by a branch, as from the Ea:, tern
Counties li, e, which required a direct communication. Their line,
then, the London and York, was the trunk line, and the direct com-
munication was the cne most neces ary to the accommod>dion of the
country. It would be shown, in evidence, that even twenty miles
would make a difference in the carriage of coals. inasmuch as it would
increase the expense, and consequently affect the public in the
markets. Again the Eastern Counties scheme proposed to jin
that by a branch south of Huntingdon, which would cost actually
more than the proposed construction by the London and York line,
Ew:husi:ciethnii
e hadewo thei:,
iut
would
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line:
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oaatisnieitluyhtte,,
tt
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country
titei
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benefit
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that
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et washoef beneathnhiiesmi .: theol of the
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and York promoters were worth that amount, so as to
it to be the otilnion of his- Learne-d-FrTeTill
case had not been half heard list year, by a Committee of tehmge-
Ile could riot tell whatit
report of
which lasted eighty days.—(Ore •.%Ir. luster.) that the
lengthhad not
of time it would have
not been half heard ill
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wheasarpdrotvbeed casbye:hter
case had beenr.)
heard, and
Committee to the
as one which if
:lilt the merits of the whole at
lauglit
htounlfaktielriod:maftitanenn
an inquiry
Commons. He
place
eHein vtiheewehdaiitdhsisoornapoiisiutioenne.
whom he (Mr. Sergeant Wrangham) had the very highntleman, for
effectual,hiouseof
and who had already nearly one-half of the railways Englandoesftrespect,
at his command, the present great trunk line, r
gave a communication from the metropolis to York, and•thencei'o' :itt.ho
Scotland. He saw the Hon. Member sitting by the table, and he
could assure him that the evidence which should be a,iduced would en-
tirely do away with such a result.—(Laughter.) The Learned? Cows-
se., after some further remarks upon the traffic and general merits
of the line, concluded by saying that he would call such evidence as
would fill up any omissions of kis in his address to them.
Mr. J. Blake was then called, avid examined as to the 'probable -,
amount of traffic from Heathfield, which consisted principally of ,
manure for agricultural purposes. He was satisfied that the line was 1
one which would confer a great advants,;e on the public; he was
sure it would increase the trade of that town, anl there was no doubt
of the traffic becoming doubled when this line of railway was con-
structed. The general feeling, indeed he might sty the whole, feeling
of ti.e public was in favour of the direct line of communicatim.
The witness was cross-examined by Mr. AUSTIN, but the Com-
mittee indicating their wish for an abridgment, the evidence was,
accordingly, materially curtailed.

Mr. Strong and Mr. Joshua Ranson were then called, and gave
similar evidence. The latter witness stated that the frequent mis-
management of the Eastern Counties Railway had occasioned much
inconvenience to the public by the great delays in the transt: of the
goods.
Mr. Whitbread, of South•hill, examined by Mr. PAcErr—ls a
large lam/owner. Could state that Covent-garden Market, and other
large markets in London, were pri cipally .upplied with vegetables
in in Bedford, and the greatest difficulty was experienced by the
present mode of conveyance. There was but one feeling in favour
of the London and York line, for it had been started before anything
like a railway mania had sprung up, and it was looked upon by the
country gentlemen, all through that part with which he was ac-
quainted, as got up by the most respectable• persons, for accommo-
dating the country,

Thu witness was cross-examined by Mr. AUSTIN, after which the
Committee adjourned to 11 o'clock to-morrow (Thursday).

HOUSE I,l' COMMONS.
GROUP XIII.

This Committee met to-day, at twel e o'clock—Sir W. Clay in the
chair. Other Members present—Earl Jermyn, Mr. P. Ainsworth,
and Mr. Curteis.

CALEDONIAN (EXTENSION AND
BRANCHES).

The thrther evidence in support of this Company, and "against the
Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle scheme, was proceeded with.
Mr. William Pare, examined by Mr. HOPE—He had been engaged
for ten or twelve years in calculating railway -traffic. For the Last
three years he had been repeatedly in Scotland—all over the cote try
—but especially in the southern district. He had taken the traffic of
the Caledonian in 1844, and also that of the rival line, his object being
to calculate whether there was a probability of through traffic to
support a second line. The present Dumfries scheme was similar ht
it course to the one of last year. He took great pains to collect in-
formation by referring to official tables at the stamp office, the several
coach offices, &c., and also by posting parties to take the traffic. lie
had also, last winter, gone over the district a second time, with a
view to the Caledonian Extension, so that he had gone over the route
of both lines minutely. The first tithe he estimated the through
traffic in passengers and goods along the Caledonian line from Glasgow
to Carlisle at 89,3741., and that from Edinburgh to Carlisle at 20,9481.
18s. 10d. This was the traffic both ways. This ret urn he submitted to the
Committee last year. The through traffic along the Nethsdale line
he estimated, to and from Edinburgh and Glasgow and Dumfries, at
7,8111 I ls. Id., and from Dumfries to Carlisle at 6,7197., making a
total through traffic on the Dumfries late of 14,5307. I6s. 10d, The
total through traffic on the Caledonian scheme he estimated at
124,8561. 4s. 3d. The local traffic en the same line he set down for
passengers, goods, minerals, &c., 101 1581 13s. 5d.. making a total
on the Caledonian of 22.i,0121. 17s. 6d. For the through traffic on the
Cale lonian line, the re was no doubt that the Nethsdale line would
be a direct competing line. Supposing the Nethsdale line
to be sanctioned, and the Caledonian DumfHes branch re-
fused, then would the former line take all the Dumfries
traffic' and one-half of the Glasgow traffic making the amount of
59,2187. 'This would leave the revenue of the Caledonian 166,804/
This estimate was of gross revenue. Deducting 47 per cent. on the
original estimate, an amount of about 100,0001., then there
would remain but 66,8041. He went upon the calculation
of Mr. Locke, that with half traffic the expenses of
working of the line would be nearly the same as if
there was no competing line. This would leave thr e per cent, on
the capital of the Company, 2,100,000/. If the Hawick extension was
carried out then would there be not only a competition for the
traffic proper of Edinburgh, hut also with that of the north by
meru.s of the Edinburgh and Northern. From his inquiries he was
satisfied that the local traffic would neither support the Nettesdale
nor the Caledonian schemes. The traffic tables of the Dumfries line
last year showed an estimate of 128,5101. This was 58,595/. for
through traffic, and 69,9151. for local traffic. This year, for their
scheme as a local line, they set down the traffic at 102,0001. The
scheme last year was the same as the one thisyear, only it extended
to Kilmarnoz.k. The increase of local traffic was about 32,000/ In
place of the portion of last year, from Kilmarnock to Cumnock,
which was struck off, there was the Crawick branc'i, but it went
through a district almost totally destitute of population. The Kil-
marnock part struck off was one of the best portions of last year's
scheme for local traffic and a considerable reduction should be
made on the account. With regard to the passengers, he did not
agree with the evidence of the Dumfries Company. He knew
something of the Standard coach, and he had examined
its money settlements and bad estimated its passengers. lie
considered the number of passengers very much overstated.
The passengers, from the pains he had taken to ascertain the real
traffic, the amount should not have been set down at near the num-
ber s'ated. The same applied to the Dumfries coach. He considered
their tables also faulty with regard to the traffic by chaises, gigs,
&c. ; this had reference to table 5, which instead of being set down
at 8 1971 , should be but 2,7501. The principle which he adopted,
which he believed a sound one, was to take only the half of those
seen in private vehicles, whereas the Dumft les Company took credit
for the whole. With regard to table No. 6, the Ayrshire and Fleet-
wood passengers, he considered that much overstated. He was cer-
tain a considerable portion of Glasgow through passengers were ha-
eluded in the table. He considered also that on the Ayrshire
traffic by the Glasgow steame'fs was exaggerated. The same applied
to the Dumfries and Annan and Liverpool steamers. Where the
steamers ran at very low fares as here, he did not assume for the
steerage passengers, He only calculated for the cabin passengers,
but they took all, and added 100 per cent. for increase. In table 7,
instead of 6,7231. for general merchandise by land, the amount
should be reduced by 2,1761. This was independent of the 50 per
cent. pu• down for Increase. General merchandize by water was also
much exaggerated, both that taken by steamers and sailing vesseis.
He had not only exaggerated the quantity, but fixed the rates too
high. The total deductions from all the items in their tables he esti-
mated to be, on passeniie:s. 19,062/. 193. ; and goods and me, chan-
making a total reduction of 23,001/. 18s. 3d. This
disc 3,938/. 19s. 5d.;
had no relation to reductions on accoLut of minerals, cattle, and
sheep, or tile drains, to will, h 1 e could not speak.
The witness was eross•exatnined at some length by Mr. MARTIN.
He admitted, however, that some reduction should be made in the
amount of traffic which he had calculated the Niihedaie scheme
would take from the Dumfries and Edinburgh traffic, as some slight
error had been made in his calculation; still the deduction would not
much affect the sum of 59,2187, which he had estimated the com-
pletion of a second line would take from the Caledonian traffic.
Mr. HOPE was going on with the re-examination of the witness, in
order to dear up certain points respecting the Edinburgh and Dum-
fries traffic, which the Committee thought had been affected by the
cross-examination, when, at the suggestion of the chairman, the
further consideratian of it was postponed till to-morrow at twelve
o'clock.

Mr. COWPER said that the Right Hon. Gentleman, who
had just addressed the House, had entirely abandoned that
which had been hitherto considered a strong ground against
this Bill, viz. that it was an abolition of principle. Now,
with respect to the opinions of the oreratives in the manufac-
turing districts, they were decidedly in favour of this measure;
he knew that from having personally attended, in company
with Lord Ashley, a meeting of the manufacturing operatives,
which had been cared for the purpose of ascertaining their
feelings with regard to this measure. Let them look also to
the petitions that had been presented to the House in 1844.
Then it was said that the working classes, by their repeated
strikes, would compel their employers to accede to the passing
of a ten hours' Bill. Now this was the most dangerous ex-
pression that had been uttered during the last few years. Be-
sides, the operatives always knew that strikes seldom turned out
for their ultimate advantage —( Hear)—bucause they invariably
entailed injuries upon themselves and their empl iyers. But
there was anotherreason—those who had taken the head of the
movement held a deep responsibility, and he did not speak of
those whit had advocated the rights of the working classes in
that House, but of the operatives themselves, who more gene-
rally consisted of men who knew that they would best serve the
cause of the children by not resorting to such ulterior measures,
and consequently by inducing their maters and the country
to look favourably on the course they advocated. In many
cases they had been successful in this course of proceeding.
With respect to voluntary agreements, which he eonsideted the
best way of settling the question. However desirable these
agreements might be in the abstract, he feared that they could
not be generally entered into, becauFe it was difficult to get
masters to agree, and where one master assented, it was pos-
sible another manufacturer in his immettiate vicinity might not.
With respect to foreign competition, which he might say
was one great obo•acle thrown in the way of the
settlement of th's question, the ground formerly taken
was not the same as taken now. The ground formerly taken
was this—that the expense of an operative's subsistence was so
'great, owing to the tax upon corn, that we could not compete
with foreign countries, if, in addition to the reduction of the
hours of labour, the price of flod was enhanced. In the letter
of Mr. Marshall, which he considered gave him great credit,
as he was anxious to uphold the commerce of the country, he
stated that th• repeal of the corn-laws, and other restrictive
duties—and which might now be considered certain ; and free
trade generally, would produce better markets and more con-
stant employ client, a better supply of the necessaries of life, and
would facilitate the reduction of the hours of labour without
reducing wages or profits. But it has always been said, when
ever any reduction of the hours of labour was proposed, that the
manufacturers would be severely injured. But who were
ruined? Were master manufacturers ruined ? Clearly not
He considered that the great and permanent benefit the work-
ing classes would receive from the repeal of the corn-laws was
the reduction of their hours of labour. He was not quite pre-
pared to admit that this measure wi,uld not cause a diminution
of produce. It was true that there might be a diminution of
daily produce, but it did not follow that the diminution of days
would diminish ,he produce of the entire year. He did not
think that there was any market which our manufacturers
could not glut in a given time, so that the operative who
t shed twelve hour: vronid necessarily not be constantly em-
ployed. With regard to any reduction of wages, he could
show that the great majority of the operatives would be willing
to run the risk of having their wages lowered. The late Sir
R. Peel was in favour of such a system. The additional
leisure of such a measure would give -young persrns a good
opportunity of completing or obtaining an education to fit
them foe the social duties of the world upon which they were
about to enter.

Mr. DENNISTOUN stated, that the Hen. Member for
Newcastle, in the commencement of his speech had stated that
if he thought that this measure would effect what he called the
four staple commodities of manfacture, viz., cotton, wool,
silk, and linen, he could tint vote for it. He (Mr. Dennistoun)
would endeavour to show that this sneaosuurremtandurtetanraes.ttendHeed
with very serious consequences ,to all
f which was 22.000/. per
Id t ke I-Bth from
swpoinudldlitsa,keantdhethceasegorof,:mperomauilele, in which there was 25,000
annum.
the owner of the
If this measure were to pass,
,aid ou, a
and that, or
woulda sbuem3oofple,r7ooce./.t
annum, end what Tohne
mill of which he spoke lost
t Even as it was,
LOCO/. per
thate.a e eas...na.mounted to 7,00t.'1.
would be his chance of improving his con-
dition if this measure were passed. Besides, when experiments
had been made, the people themselves did not seem anxious to
wares
eeti
snh
gefbmo
urf themselves
in
lae) ed sat
tiffmoreowwem, 0 v
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khhe
they
weeks
millrsatl
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lo
fie
ap-
plications reduce their labour. In one case, where permission was
awagvihdavoaielyneodaft totchoat
themselves
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iaarn
permission,dswe
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JOHN
HalNl were made.
MANNERS said, that instead of giving
effect to the wishes of the working people, they were compelled
to listen to the speeches of the Hen. Secretary, and lately to
that of the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down. Was it
a great principle and everlasting truth, or a merely temporary
diffieultt, which prevented the settlement of this question? A
preliminary difficulty therefore met him in the opening, and
he should, therefore, confine himself to a reply to the speech
of the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down.—( Hear. )
That Hon. Gentleman had said, that if the working people
would consent to an agreement not to agitate for any further
alteration, he would assent to a compromise for an eleven
hours Bill. But what was the case ? On the one side, they
had the unanimous voice of the people in favour of this Bill,
the majority of the subordinates all the dissenting ministers, and
a great portion of the nation in favour of the principle. On the
other there were only those opponents who among the master
manufacturers were the most remarkable for their ten-
dency to political agitation.—(Cheers.) Then again the Hon.
Member had said that this Bill was confined to an advantage
for the young persons employed in factories. Then an argument
had been used in order to show that the repeal of the corn-
laws would throw off protection from the aT tizans in the manu-
factuiing districts. But who was it that agitated for the repeal
of the corn-laws? Certainly not the operatives of Manchester
or Huddersfield, but those parties who were now desirous of
throwing out the Bill.—(Cheers.) He would take the Right
Honourable Gentleman's remark to show that the operatives
would have to pay two hours labisur per day for the advantage
of cheap bread—( Cheers )—and he would make the offer to the
leaguers that if they would assent to this reduction of labour,
he (Lord J. Manners) would consent to the same duty on corn
as it existed at the beginning of the year. The Noble Lotd
( Ashley) had, it might be remembered, on the introduction of
this measure in 1844, carefully gone through the circum-
stances of every country, and had shown how impossible it was
for any parties to compete with this country. The Right Hon.
the
H:vo
Gentleman, who was so bold in March in ridiculing the idea of
gi
theao
noßaronets
fearryo
m eetn was
s t in,
were s o soo
advocates Home
cabolishedtes
for
competition, was now the most ready to adopt the idea of
t
pro-
tection. Howa
the the
h we:Rai
othihHt thiso
e n n
Depart-
mentH eafeared
d at h
.
the retention of the Eleven Hours' Bill, and they had stated
that reduction was equivalent to 16 per cent., both on the
duction and the wages. At what rate, then, did pro.
ate
the change now? In 1829 the manufacturers Nottingham
of
had agreed to a restriction of the hours of labour' and some
to system of unrestricted
years afterwards had returned the
exertion ; and what was the consequence? Din wages rise or
did they fall ? Why, that labour which had formerly obtained
61., wets reduced to 3d.—( Cheer.. )......and he could not think
that that which 1,10 been obtained in Nottingh rn.hire wool
equally hold in the large districts of Lancashire and Yorkshire.
Did the Right Hon. Baronet ( Sir R. Peel) mean to say t hat
the lower classes of the community were no longer to look t
the Government as the harbinger of their happinelss or o th
welfare, or whether they were merely to be considered as
tax-gatherers, and the policemen of the state, and that
long as they got the taxes, it mattered not to them 1T
the people were rich and happy or peor and miserable

GROUP XLIV.

The same members of the Committee were present at twelve
o'clock, as on former occasions. Lord Palmerston again took the
chair.

The unfinished case of the '
CLITHERO El JUNCTION.
was proceeded with.
Mr. BAINES proceeded with the partly finished cross-examination
of Mr. Garnett ; who then stated that the Cliflieroe Junction, and
m theei,Et East
nLsaancraesandtyremllndee.
Lancashire line was also the solicitor to the Clitoteirir,,..
towothualat eshfiecrtti.y IT'ehaen, solicitorilhg ala eutdon'
itaihnoe:gErealseitt-
e
Will/U.Oll which the witness appeared very
ss returred emir. ly
fact, the East 1 aneashire Company were. Promninvinfifghisto"lnna-kcy
Lintz to the public.
^ly unmteres
to general matters, and was entir. gave general'
cotton printer tu,
The rest of the cross•examination of this viitne
Mr. James Tivanpson. a
_re particularly in respect of the
evidence in favour of the ifoo, to.
prov of clitheroe. Be Iv as one of the
coal, the
ional directors,
lime, and the cot
M Members U. Fort, one of the late for Clitheroe, gave gener a.
is
evidence in favour abd itsolsitill trade
is director.
of the line, similar to that of the last witness
This witness is the owner et a seat near Morton Hall, the house of
the petitioner, Mr. Taylor. This seat is shown on tha large model
put in by Mr. Taylor, and representing Morton Hall, with the
park, farm, and farm-land adjoining, and also the several adjacent
seats, including Mr. Fort's. This model shows the property as it is,
and as it will be if this line be made, the embankments, viaduct, &c.,
being represented by moveable pieces of box-wood, and the surface
of the ground being rep esented by similar moveable pieces of wood
wherever there are to be cuttings. It was made by Messrs. Flin-
toft of Keswick. The model, however, with all the care that ap-
pears to have been taken In its construrtion, does not truly repre-
sent the ground, the vertical scale being 100 feet to the inch,
while the horizontal scale is 198 feet to the inch ; the consequence
of which is, that everi, mound. hillock, cutting, embankment, house,
or shed, appears to be twice its actual height in proportion to its
length and breadth. Thus the embankments, &c., are very much
exaggerated.
Mr. Fort was eross-examined at length by Mr. BAINES and Mr.
MEERIvALE, the former, on the part of the competing line—the
Blackburn. Cllthero, and North Western Junctio, —and the latter on
the part of the petitioner,

William Green, a coal owner In the vicinity of Accrington,
gave evidence as to the superiority of the Wigan over the Paddiham
coal. The seam was deeper at Wigan than at Paddiham. Although
Wigan was treble the c 'stance from Blackburn that Paddiham was,
the When colliers could compete with the P ,dcbliam colliers, in the
Blackburn markets The proposed line would greatly Improve the
trade of both places.
Mr. Shuttleworth, of Gorthorpe, near Paddiham, and Mr. Ashton,
of Downham-ball, near Clitheroe, gave general evidence, with some
statistical details of no public interest.
Mr. Christopher Lawson, corn-merchant, of Paddiham, and of
Whalley, gave general evidence in reference to the corn-trade. He
would save 6.50/. per annum by the improved communication which
would be affo!ded by this line, and a Siff ilar saving would be made
by other corn-dealers in the same county.
The Committee then rcse at tour o'clock precisely.

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