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THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY
_EV_VNING, JULY 14, 1846.

_ Mated that the prospEcts
of the Company were in the most satisfactory condition.
The report furt her stated that the company had been formed
in the month of July, 1845, and that the whole number of
shares, 150,000, had been allotted at once, and without re-
serve. The objects of the company were, first, the con-
struction of a great line of railway traversing the provinces
of Namur and Luxembourg and connecting the State lines of
Belgium with France and Germany, thus serving as the high
road to Strasburg, Prussia, Austria, Switzerland, and Italy.
The repo) t was received and unanimously adopted, and'a
vote of thanks having been passed to the chairman, the
meeting separated.

The rei

lad was then read, wh

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF LORDS
The LORD CHANCELLOR t ock his seat on the Wool
sack, at Five o'cleck.
SECOND REALINGS.
The following, amongst other Bills, were read a second
Oxford and Birnaingham Railway.
Midands Railway (Birmingham to Wolverhampton.)
Lancaster and Carlisle Railway.
Caledonian Railway (Carlisle branch.)
eB i remi nthrignhda m
Bradford Canal
Railway.d Railway.
West Cornwall Railway.
Exeter, Yeovil, and Dorchester Railway.
Louth Salisbury and Yeovil Junction Railway.
London South Eastern Railway )Basingstoke Branch).
Leeds, Dewsbury, and Manchester,
Airdrie Coatbridge Waterworks.
North Wales Alinoral Railway.
Sheffield, Ashton-under Lyne, and Manchester Railway.
Sheffield, Ashton-under-Line, and Dean Forest Canal
and Railway.
Manchester, Bolton, and Bury Canal and Railway.
Bristol, Birmingham, and Midland Railway.
Liverpool and Bury and Manchester and Leeds Rail-
ways Amalgamation.
South-Eastern (Greenwich and Gravesend).
Lord ASEIBURTON brought up the repot t of the
Commissioners appointed to inquire into the subject of
the Metropolitan Central Railway Termini.
THE SEES OF ST. ASAPH AND BANGOR.
Earl PO WIS presented several petitions aga nst the
union of these sees.
The Bishop of SALISBURY also presented a reti-
tion to the same effect, and another hum the Mayor,
Aldermen, and Burgesses of Salisbury, in favour of the
Louth, Salisbury, and Yeovil Junction Railway.
Messengers from the House of Commons brought up
several Bd!s, which were ordered to lie on the table.
On the motion of Lord CANNING the Spith fields-
street Bill was read a second time and ordered to be com-
mitted.
The Earl of CLARENDON presented a petition from
Lord Fortescue against the Taw Valley Railway.
SUGAR DUTIES.
Lord BROUGHAM said he wished to ask the Presi-
dent of the Board of Trade a question with reference
to the sugar duties, lie saw by the Votes of the House of
Commons that the Noble Lord at the head of the Govern-
ment proposed to introduce a temporary Act, continui,z
the sugar duties for a short period. There could be no
objection to that, but he trusted the passing of that Bill
would not had to any delay in the introduction of the
further Bill.
The Earl of CLARENDON bad no hesitation in
assuring the Noble and Learned Lord that there could
be no delay in introducing a permanent measure upon
this subject.—(Hear, hear.)
SALARY OF THE LORD CHIEF JUSTICE.
Lord BROUGHAM wished to give a general
notice of his intention to call the attention of
Government to a very important circumstance arising
out of the appointment of Sir Thomas Wilde to the
office of Chief Justice of the Common Pleas. A most
improper and unconstitutional negotiation had taken
place at the time of the appointment of Lord
Denman to the office of Lord Chief Justice
of the Queen's Bench between the Noble Lord and the
Treasury, by which the Noble Lord consented to 8,0001.
a year instead of 10,0001., the sum originally granted to
Lord Tenterdon by the 6th of Geo.'lV. That negotiation
he contended etas most unconstitutional, and the Noble
Lord had no right to take less than the 10,0001. a year,
payable quarterly, nor had the Treasury arty right to
interfere in the matter. The Act of Perliateest
made the money pay able to the individual, and
in his opinion it was highly improper to
bargain for judgeships in this way.—(Hear, hear.) He
trusted, therefore, that no such errangement had been
come to with the present Lord. Chief Justice of the
Court of Common Pleas. He must add, in giving this
notice, that he did not wish to impugn the character or
integrity of Lord Denman, than whom a purer and more
uptight judge had never sat upon the bench.—(Cheers.)
The Act says 10,0002, and the financial statement only
8,000/. He only wished that the matter should be
lookel into, and if there were no other Act found,
then that the evil should be remedied.
Earl GItEY acknowledged that the Noble and
Lear ned Lord (Lord Brougham) had called the attention
of the House to a very important subject. The fact was
that in 1830 a committee had been formed for the revi-
sion of all the salaries of the several officials of the state,
and it was by them decided that the whole list
should be revised, and that the several salaries of those
officials, including those of the judicial officers, should
be revised and prospectively reduced. It was a great
pity that when Lord Ashburton's committee was sitting
the Noble and Learned Lord had not turned his atten-
tion to it, and the more especially as he himself was tie
chief authority by whom the charge was guaranteed.
Lord BROUGHAM—I did not know it.
Earl GREY—Did not know it I Why, from his own
knowledge, he could say that the Noble and Learned
Lord must have knowe it at the time, for he was Chan-
cellpr at the time, and certainly it was his duty to have
inquired into the matter. But this he would say, that
his Noble Friend at the head of the Government would
take care, if it was necessary, to bring in such a Bill for
rectifying the evil.
Lord .BROUG HAM was astonished to hear one Noble
Lord contradict on his own knowledge, whet he had just
now asserted on his honour that ho was ignorant of.
What might be the Noble Lord's notion of decision he
could not say, but this he would assert, that he knew
nothing of the matter until it was brought under
his notice by Mr. Justice Bosanquet and Mr. Justice
Pattison, and not only did he not know of it, but
it was quite contrary to his opinion. The Noble Earl
had stated that he ought to have done that under the
circumstances the Noble Earl was himself unable to do,
viz., pass an Act of Parliament under circumstances
which it was impossible to do, that is, to pass an Act
when he was, as the Noble Earl was himself now, in a
minority in that House. The truth was, that nobody
knew anything about that which concerned every body, and for which nobody cared. Such was the case, ac-
cording to the Noble Earl's notion, but it was not his
notion ; and as be was not nobody but somebody he
believed that this was a matter which required a careful
looking after. According to his own impression was
that 10,0000/. a year was a very proper sum to be given
to the Chief Justice, and he thought that a judge ought
to be ri ndered independent of any Government. The
Noble Earl had eontradicted him flatly in the first sen-
tence, but had dwindled down to a probable contradic-
tion in the last. Truly, the Noble Earl ought to have
better grounds to go upon than these.
Lord CAMPBELL must agree entirely with his
Noble and Learned Friend opposite, that things should
not remain as they were ; and t.aat, if it were necessary,
an Act of Parliament ought to be immediately brought
in to remedy the defect. The salaries of the judges
ought not to depend upon any arrangement be-
tween the judges and the Government. Now,
his Noble Friend who sat near him had
intimated no opinion on this subject—on the contrary,
be had stated in the most distinct terms, that the Noble
Lord, now at the head of the Government, would in-
quire into it, and that, if it were necessary, an Act of
Parliament should be introduced for remedying the
matter. There could be no doubt that if there had been
an Act of Parliament passed, if Lord Denman, or any of
his executors chose to insist on their rights, they would
be entitled to recover the balance of the whole of the
specified salary, but he (Lord Campbell) must declare
that he never heard of such an Act of Parlia-
ment. •Ilis Noble and Learned Friend opposite
ought, if he felt that these matters required
a remedy to have brought in an Act when he occupied
the seat on the Woolsack ; he was the party that
should have seen that all these things were right. His
Noble and Learned Friend had said that he could
not have carried such a Bill. He (Lord Campbell)
knew that his Noble and Learned Friend had carried
Bills despite of the large majorities with which his mea-
sures were threatened, and he also knew than if he had
introduced a Bill on this subject, it would have passed
both Houses of the Legislature with perfect
unanimity. His Noble and Learned Friend could not
. say that he disapproved of the arrangement, and he
continued to hold the Great Seal, and he (Lord
Campbell) knew his spirit and his courage too well
to suppose that had he failed in carrying such a
measure he would not have continued to hold office ; he
would not suffer his opinion on such a subject to be over-
ruled. The Noble and Learned Lord, therefore, ap-
peared to him to blame himself, after the manner of the
Pope, who said, "Judie() me eremari." He acknowledged
himself to be in the wrong.
Lord BROUGHAM said, that if he took a share of
the blame to himself so must his Noble and Learned
Friend now on the Woolsack, who was his successor in
office, and who had likewise failed to introduce such a
Bill.

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to subscribe to it to the amount of be:ween 40,000.1. and
50,0002 The tolls on the bridge were estim4ted at
6,0001. per annum, which would give ten per
cent. on the cost of the bridge. The Bill Ind been
brought in under the sanction of the Board of Woods
add Forests, and hetrusted therefore that it would pass
without opposition.

Lord ItINNAIRD would suggest that, as the report
of the Committee of the Metropolitan Termini had been
laid on the table, the proposed bridge near Chelsea
Hospital might be made to serve the doub:e purpose of
a Metropolitan passage of the bridge, and of a railway
communication across the Thames.

. -
Viscount DUNCANNON be 'eyed that if there were
to be a railway communication at all, it wond be far
west and of Chelsea Hospital.
The Bill was then read a second time; and their Lord-
ships adjourned.

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The LORD CHANCELLOR disclaimed having any
share in the blame; and the subject then dropped.
ROPE-MAKERS' BILL.
This Bill went through Committee, and the report was
ordered to be brought up on Thursday.
CORONERS' (IRELAND) BILL.
This Bill went through Committee, and the report was
ordered to be brought up on Thursday.
JUVENILE OFFENDERS' BILL.
The adjourned debate on the second reading of this
Bill was postponed.
Lord CAMPBELL had the authority of the chief
justice of the Queen's Bench for this Bill, but that age
should be an element in the consideration. And this
because the law on felony and misdemeanour got into
very fantastical conclusions. If a few hairs were to be
taken from a cow's or a horse's tail, and took them away
that was a felony ; but if ten cart loads were to be taken
and brought back again, that would be only a misde-
meanour, and the subject was one of great importance,
and one requiring much consideration.
The LORD CHANCELLOR thought it was clear
that a Bill of this importance could not receive its due
consideration, and he thought that the Noble Lord had
exercised a due discretion in withdrawing it. Of course
be could not be expected to give any opinion as to its
peculiar advantages now, but he would assure the
Noble Lord that it would receive the careful considera-
tion of the Government.
BATTERSEA PARK AND CHELSEA EMBANK,

Viscount CANNINGMENT begged to move the second
reading of the Bill for the embankment of the north
bank of the river Thames from Vauxhall-bridge to
Battersea-bridge. With this embankment there was to
be a suspension bridge somewhere about Chelsea Hospital
in connexion with Battersea Park as it is now intended
to be formed. The whole cost of these improvements
was estimated at 160,000/., but this was not to
be all a loss, or a cost, to the country for
the Noble Marquis
(the Marquis of Westmin-
ster) and other owners of property bad agreed

object of directing attention to the coi-Tesponderee:bi°
Le moved for and obtained in and which h
succeeded in obtaining in the course Of the present
don, he would be amply repaid for his trouble.—(ll, e„
hear.) All he wanted was a fair trial and
nee
,e
avour ; and with the view of bringing the Matter 11;
mmediately midst. the attention of the Nellie Lorooce
the head of the Government, he begged leave topes,s
as a., amendment to the oriinal motion, that nn a".°: be
be presented to her Mejesty, praying that site 0
11,
graciously pleased to gave directions for the ineeo
gation of Mr. Warner's inventions.
Captain PEOHELL would be very happy to seeetri
the motion, for the sake of inquiry and discussion, end
while he did so he could not but admire the zol 9e
ability which the Noble Lord had exhibited in con"°:,o
ing the case of Mr. Warner through three sucees7l;s
Administrations.—(Hear, bear.) He admitted tbstoe
ship at Brighton was blown up, but it must be reeler:ae
bered that the vessel just previous to its dieapPearsep
was in tow of a steamer. Now, here was the diffieti
They did not want such an invention as this when s t'ive
of battle ship could get so near its adversary ; and be
one believed Mr. Warner never would be able to acie°oot
plish the end he had proposed to himself. It could
of
be contradicted that before the invention could becomelr
any use, the vessel to apply it must approach very nee
indeed to the reelect to be acted upon.—(Hear, hear.)_ef
Sir H. DOUGLAS said he once had the lionot",i,
being a member of a Commission appointed to inveoo,
gate the merits of the invention, and certainly the ell
elusion he came to after duly and patiently conidder:o
the subject, and witnessing many experiments, was eyio
common gunpowder would accomplish just as galeil fet
Mr. Warner's shells. When everhin wes ren4„iit
the trial of the astounding discoveries of Cell. is
Warner, the Commission received a letter from 131133 A to
hich he positively stated that he would not proceetlei;
make the experiment or disclose the secret in tGo,
presence, unless he received an assurance from the
, tee
o
vernment that he should be paid a sum that lina.,"tbe
previously named. lie (Sir H. Douglas) begged ro'
House to mind the terms of the letter, "before he P of
corded to make the experiment." The Conarnittee;et
course, in reply, told him that they had no P.°113,
to make any final arrangement with 111.,e0
(Hear, hear)—but that if the experiment r
made they should • report to the Government, l'3o
of course, would be at perfect liberty to deal with
,0,
as they should think fit with respect to remuneranoo,
They also replied to him, that his proposition 105 t,
tirely at variance with his previous arrangement;. doe
the Noble Lord (Viscount Ingestre) had said that the
answers of Captain Warner, to the questions 'et '5,1
Committee, were taken down in writing. They wereeir
taken down, but that was done in the presence of ,e's
B. Martin, who, on the part of Captain Warner,
leading part in the afthir ; they were, in fact, written
``
down by that gentleman, and it was rig man
for the 11°ti'd
and the country to know with what sort of a an tb-e
had to deal. No one was present in the room to,
the Commissioners, Captain Warner, and Sir B. Mter,r's
and the minutes that were taken down in- valttilla
by that gentleman, he (Sir Howard Douglas) had seed
in his possession, and it was but just to the Houseed,
the country that the important parts should be rec
The lion. Member having accordingly read a fef.l.o,
tracts from the minutes of the Committee'i'proceeeol3er
went on to say that the Noble Lord had made, an°l'the
charge against hies (Sir H. Douglas), and that isms'
he had done his lyst to draw from Captain Warner ere
secrets of his invention, but in reply to that charge' el
be,ged to say that never was projector more fairly :ide
favourably treated by any Government or public te
Every assistance was afforded him, and he (Si' re'
Douglas) could confidently assert, that his case beuee'
ceived from the Committee the fairest and fullestconsl of
ration. Now he thought after such gallant men, meet;
such high character as his friend Sir E. Owen and Sirri,
Martin, had said that, in their opinion, the OFtelos
ment was a derided failure, no one could fairly say oieo
Captain Warner had been unjustly treated by the (-roe
missioners. He hoped he had lariefly 'convineedst
House that not only Captain Warner, hut the public of
large, had been justly treated by the Corninitteetes
which he had been a member ; that they had, atter got
labour, extensive experiments, and much expense, Toe
given Captain Warner's inventions a fair trial ; an the
present Government would, he trusted adhere t°
conclusion to which they had come, viz.,. Abet the (.0
visible shell by itself was a great delusion, .tincl,e
eh
ridiculous affair. If Captain Warner coUld, underldse
circumstances as the Committee had prorse,her,
that was to say, in a particular Bert of weft' of
tide, and wind, carry his shell to the distance es
five nr six miles, and with perfect safety to these, ore
should have to use it, then, he for one, should stleti be
it.—(Hear, hear.) But until that experiment eo°
made successfully—and, with the little smatterintiol
science that he (Sir H. Douglas) had, and the pracedi;
knowledge which be had of gunnery, he was convinelere
could not—he must continue incredulous insuch rie
—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord had spoken olotbet
great improvement of gunpowder, and manyis'
things ; that many trades had been brought int°
ties,
tenet., and many sciences were Low in active oper:o3ed
, hich, not long ago, we should have d',bicle
utterly impracticable. But having the experience 0_ to
he (Sir H. Douglas) had in these matters, he knewt,
It was physically impossible to project a shell five ',aro
miles distance. Of course it had been said someL 5
ago that it was impossible to produce such a thing
:;as, and that steam would never come into operati'o
its present powerful shape. But all these were inheDreifol
in nature, and• merely required minds of a poIOP
calibre to bring them into active operation. etirn'do'
Warner's theory, however, was basetreereaseeteee6eal,43
don, and his mind was biased. When be tit,
Warner) was reminded by the Commissionerst.
air,
difficulty of . overcoming the resistance of h..e.sist.
of the. qdreji
he replied, " What do you talk
ante of the air? I have a power blll,oos
times greater than that." Now they _f the
all know, that were it not for the great resistance 4
_ost. ,
air, a shot could at present be carried a range of
miles at the least. It was perfectly absurd to talk of
till
theory, when there was the practice which they the '
not overcome. Of course, they must know doter, of
greater the projectile force, the greater the resistan
yd
:he air. • The ablest scientific journals of the de)• of
also shown the utter impracticability of the sche%eal
Captain Warner, and amongst ethers were the -P°„.,l os!
Review, and the Artisan. All of them were Waal:7ol6
in pronouncing the experiment a failure. bre
himself stand within a range of six miles, ail oat
Captain Warner or any other man to reach him awes)
distance by Means ofa projectile shell.—(reaughter.)relti
the largest mortar that had been menu factuised a shepuibet
be projected no further than three miles, and en toie
experiment labour and care had heen.bestosaed. cloo
Warner in reference to that experiment heel saTtbt+
the mortar was not a projectile ; but if it was' le° oed,
what was it'? 'all 'the grounds that he had' 5t4 10
then, he must say that he was incredulous-.
.v't-
he
Captain Warner's so-called inventions,' Ll' 00
contended that they were not in fact invon ,eis
and that every cue of what Captain Warner called eb
secrets" had been published years ago in a Filo
scientific work. He hoped he was mistaken in sayinevid,
Captain Warner's scheme was a failure ; but after gl,OO
the subject a fair and patient investigation, he could e_..ost
to no other conclusion than that the whole affair was Tot
ridiculous and absurd ; and he, therefore, hoped get
her Majesty's Government would not be dispoied to, or
in contradiction to the decisions of the Committee'
which he had been a member.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEI dotl
le
that the only course which the Government could "otiel.
would be to appoint a Commission of several itglAtite
persons competent to inquire into the subject.
at.
hoped such a course would satisfy the Noble Lord,
induce him to withdraw his motion: be
. Mr. BROTHEItTON said that all the informaaotho
nail received upon the subject was from Col. Shaw, "
OP
had served in Portugal. He (Col. Shaw) had otters" et.
Capt. Warner to test the powers of his invention,
ore
Capt. Warner had made a great number of excuses qv,
the subject; and it was Col. Shaw's opinion the/ oss
could not peribrm anything like what be had stated °on.
in his power to do. He thought these diScessions
long ranges and invisible shells should not be atlot,eir
occupy so much of the attention of the House. .-."tbe
attention should be directed, not to the Prom.otion °i
_e ei
means or the reward of inventions for the pureolos
destroying life and, spreading misery and ruitclieg;
0 rather for the promotion of arts and sciences, '' Ile
to improve and benefit the condition of the people' too
thought that future generations would say,
elselees
much of their time had been wasted upon thev
discussions.
Mr. WAIKLEY thought it high time that these quo
tions should be settled. Much time had been occtlP!„
in the discussions of these matters, but nothing SS,
factory had been come to. He thought that the C°l'y
mission to be appc inted should consist, .not exclusive.tt,
of military. or naval officers, who were naturally Pree'ire-e
diced, and in favour of old habits, but that' two or to '4-0
persons of acute observation and strong common Sens
should be included in it, who would go to the questl"o
without any prejudice on the question ; and, to prone ej
any disagreement, Captain Warner should be rector,.
to exptess in writing, that he was satisfied with the sisito
pointment of the Commission. He
quite agreed with."
opinion, that the public money might be expended lout
better manner than in encouraging the art of war, brie
it must be borne in mind, that the best way to PreThJe
peace was to be prepared for war.—(Cheers.) his
roped the Noble Lord would consent to withdrar/'
motion.
of to
Sir 11, DOUGLAS begged to state, with regal': to
obtaining the consent -of Captain Warner, in weiti,t4Vith
the commission, that that-had been already obtained
.sor
respect to the Commission of which he had the /1°:ot
trebe a member, but it was productive of no be'
whatever.
Lord INGESTRE thanked the Right • lion. aeeerst
man, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, for this; the ice,
act of his public Administration ; it was one of ins' ce-
and complimented him upon so favourablea contTertioer
ment of his duties. lie was sure that Capta.in of the
would be quite willing to abide by the decision °,1,0e3
Commission appointed by Government ; and be 5eY
Ingestre) would be happy to afford the Govertienencoe'
assistance in his power, in the formaion .hat nreo
mission. Under such circumstances, he would nut
his motion. The motion was accordingly witladraev
THE PROVINCE OF SINDE. cost,
Mr. HUME begged to ask the Right Hon. P,arfjob'
the President of the Board of Control (Sir J. tbee,
house) whether he was at that time, or if not a to
whether he would upon an early period, be preParec, be
state in what condition the province of Simie seas poi,
considered a hether as forming part of the
.I%estieritesb
Company's possession, or as belonging to the
Government. iipsht
Sir R. H. INGLIS wished to ask the same
__De'to
Hon. Baronet whether it was not possible for t 17,, CI
retrace the steps they bad taken in the provir.
i lif
Stride, and replace those whom they had *ol'l4ol3f
dispossessed of their territories in their former p.°•grefer
Will'
J. C. HOBHOUSE would be prepared, wi tref
elm to the question or the J-len; antler 10; •

the precise day when he woald bring forward his measure
relative to the sugar duties. Ile would name
the earliest day consistent with hls pub! 'c duties, but
certain inquirit s had to be math) previouily, which ne-
cessarily caused a slight delay.
Mr. BAILLY understood the Noble Lord to say that
he would proceed with the measure on Thursday next.
Lord J. RUSSELL—Certainly nut. It stated that I
would name them the precise day when I would bring
forward my measure.
Mr. Mr. BAILLY—WiII there be a temporary Bill
in the meantime.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL —What I propose is to
bring in a temporary Bill for the continue-nce of the
existing duties fur a limited time, but at the same time
to state the nature of the measure which I prupose
to
bring forward for the permanent regulation of the sugar
duties.
WESTMINSTER BRIDGE AND NEW PALACE

COMMITTEE.
Sir R. H. INGLIS moved that Lord John Russell,
Viscount Ebrington, and Colonel Fox be added to the
Co-,miitee of the Westminster-bridge and New Palace.
GENERAL POLICY OF TUE GOVERNMENT.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wished to ask the Noble Lord
at the head of the Government whether he was prepared
to state on Thursday next to the House and to the
colntry upon what principles it was intended to
conduct the Government of this country. The people
were very anxious upon the subject, and wished to have
some information upon the subject.
Lord J. RUSSELL did not think it necessary to
make any statement upon that subject. The principles
upon which he intended to conduct the Government
were the same as those upon which he had previously
act* d.
After some further business had been transacted,
An HON. MENDER remarked that there were not forty
Members present.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and there being
but thirty four Members present, the House adjourned
until twelve to•morrow.