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upon six miles of railway; it would be perfectly intole
able upon a greater distance.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. CHRISTOPHER said that the Committee had
examined both the engineers, and then consalted the
Government surveyor before they came to any decision
upon the clauses. That decision was in favour of the
two gauges being worked upon the line of rail.
Mr. HUDSON denied having made any personal al-
lusion to the lion. Member for Whitby.
Mr. H. VERNEY (amidst cries of " Divide"), said
that the experiment of the double gauge already tried
upon the Gloucester and Cheltenham Railway was not
hostile to its being made with success upon a longer line
of rail.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the third reading 147
For postponing the Bill
Majority
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
REFORM.—ADJOURNED DEBATE.

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Mr. COBI)EN, in the absence of Mr. Hume, post
poned the adjourned debate on the motion for a reform
in the House of Commons from this day (Friday) to
Friday next, which day the Government had consented
to give up to the lion. Member for that purpose.
WRIT FOR HORSHAM.
Mr. GORING moved that Mr. Speaker do issue Ins
warrant to the Clerk of the Crown to make out a new
writ for the election of a burgess to servo in the present
Parliament for the borough of Horsham, in the room of
John Jervis, Esq., whose election has been determined
to be void.
Mr. AGLIONBY (amidst cries of" Divide") said that
the decision of Wednesday in favour of issuing the writ
for Cheltenham had place the House in a contradictory
position with respect to the suspended writs. Unless
he received an assurance that the Government
would
give every assistance to the Hon. Member fur Flint in
passing his Bill into a law, he (Mr. Aglionby) roust
vote in favour of the immediate issue of the writ for
Horsham.
Sergeant TALFOURD said that even supposing'
under the most favourable circumstances, the Bill of the
Hon. Member for Flint were to pass into a law in ,
course of a month from the present time, the labours o
the Commissioners would then only commence, and-the
House would have been prorogued before their reports
could be received. He could not, therefore, consent to
depart from the usual course that had been pursued
in former cases such as the present—namely, to COw
suit the report of the Committee, which stated that oull
two cases of treating had been proved, and upon diet°
the Member had been unseated. This was not an offeo°
deserving of so severe a penalty as the suspension of the
writ for a year, and therefore be should vote in favour°
the motion.
Sir C. BURRELL bore testimony to the honourabll
character of the electors of Horsham generally, 01
stated that it would in his opinion be a great harclabiP •
the writ were to be suspended any longer.
Mr. HAYTER said there was ample time for the Bin
of the Hon. Member for Flint to be passed into s II!
during the present session. He should vote 80014 t":
issue of the writ for Horsham, in conformity to the tw
previous decisions come to by the House with respect to
this same borough.
Mr. BANKES said he should be ashamed of the 11°115.
of Commons if, on account of two slight cases of tru-
ing, they could be induced to refuse to issue the writ for
the borough of Horsham. He was only sorry the Y""
had been so long delayed.
The House then divided, when there appeared--
For the motion
Against it ...... 50
Majority
The writ was accordingly ordered to be issued.
REMOVAL OF JUDGE MONTAGY.

m thereceived at the Colonial-office fro
Mr. ANSTEY, in moving for copies of the dispatches
Van Diemen's Land, relative to the removal of Judge
Montagu, asked the Hon. Under-Secretary for the
important
Colonies how it was that the receipt of the
his know-
dispatches in question had been kept from
ledge for three days after their arrival, as must have
been the case from the answer • given by the Hon.
Member on a former • ht
night to a question put to him
lative to those dispatches?
Mr. B. HAWES said that the Hon. Member made
Governor of
much ado about nothing. The dispatches in
questien
being very important, and involving law questions of
considerable intricacy, had been retained by the
other Under-Colonial Secretary for consideration
(he being a lawyer) before they were sent to
the Noble Earl at the head of the department. The
dispatches in question would have to be submitted.t°
the law officers of the Crown before any decision wes,
come to respecting the question to which they referral:
It was very much to be wished that the Hon. and
Learned Member would give notice of his intention to
ask questions of him, for then ho should be prepared
to answer them.
The return was then ordered.
DIFFERENTIAL DU PIES ON RUM.
Sir L. O'BRIEN begged to ask some of the Hon. Gen-
tlemen on the Treasury bench to answer a 'question
which he had put to the Right Hon. Baronet the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, whom he did not see in his
place. The question was, whether it was the intention
of the Right lion. Rhronet to persist in the differential
duty of 4d. on rum?
Mr. B. HAWES begged the Hon. Baronet to put his
question to-morrow (this day), as no notice had been
given of his intention to put it.
Sir L. O'BRIEN said that he had given the Chan-
cellor notice of his intention to ask the question six
hours ago.
SUGAR DUTIES.—ADJOURNED DEBATE.

The order of the day for the adjourned debate on this
question being read,
Lord G. BENTINCK took that opportunity of pre-
senting a petition from the West Indian agents in this
country complaining of the inefficiency of the Govern.
went proposition towards affording any relief to the
West India p'anters.
On the motion that the Speaker do leave the chair,

Sir L. O'BRIEN said that as he had failed in getting
an answer to what he deemed to be a most important
question he should feel it his duty to move the adjourn-
ment of the
Mr. SPOONER seconded the motion.
Mr. HAWES intimated that the Hon. Baronet had
not given the usual notice of his question. •
Sir L. O'BRIEN—I gave a written notice to-day. •.
Mr. HAWES said that that could hardly be color',
dered a sufficient notice.
Mr. C. ANSTEY said that the intention of the Borg°'
Baronet to ask the question was notorious. It had been .
agreed to at a meeting of Irish Members. The Chao'
cellor of the Exchequer had had written notice, and
was known that the votes of several Irish Members de-
pended upon the answer. Under such circumstance°,
the ignorance of the Under-Secretary, and the absence
of the Right Hon. Gentleman, were most significant cir"' •
cumstanc, s.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. F. MAULE said that the case was one of A yell
unprecedented nature, and one which he could not rerf
well understand.—(Laughter.) It appeared that °Fr!:
had been a meeting of certain Irish Members respecting •
the differential duties on rum, and that at that meeting
it was determined to ask the Chancellor of the Exch,e,..
quer certain questions. The Hon. Baronet the Mee'
for Clare had come down to the House for the purpose,
without having given the Chancellor of the r,
Exct,l,ecluer
any notice of his intention.—(
"No no," from Da'
O'Brien.) It was a question which the Chancellor et
the Exchequer alone could answer, and he would 111°1
probably be in his place before the conclusion of the de'
bate. Surely the Hon. Baronet did not mean to pet?,
l
in a motion which, if carried, would cause the loss 0
evening for a most important debate.—(Hear, hear.)
a;
Mr. C. ANSTEY persisted in thinking that
Chancellor of the Exchequer had had sufficient Ott
of the question.
morning the Irish Members had an interview with
spf
Chancellor of the Exchequer,
Mr. SPOONER said that the facts were, that on tis!
,-
qchuesebi..loo!:
respecting the differential dutyanodn
could get no answer. It was then determined that t. 17,
nods
question should be asked in the House, and due
was given. The Chancellor of the Exchequer not b!!2,ta
btoimwahi
in his place when the order for going into Common;
put
rum,t 0
was read, his (Mr. Spooner's) Hon. Friend the Matirod
for Clare had moved the adjournment of the House,
ho (Mr. Spooner), seeing that no Cabinet Minister
in his place—that the question was most impor ee,
and that many votes probably depended on Ow an Jobe-,
had felt it his duty to second the motion.--(LOT 0
Russell at that moment entered the House.) rer
000
the Noble Lord at the head of the Government was
present be would be able to solve the difficulty. r '
the
Mr. ROBINSON Perhaps the Chancellor or.
.he
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Exchequer might be in his place in the course dpt
evening; if so, the better way would be to pros
on with the debate.—(No, no.) , flues-
Lord JOHN RUSSELL—With respect to tue '2 to
tion which has been asked, I have in the first placsteion
observe that it does not immediately affect which
before the House. It is part only of a plan 0- ;pg.
laid the outline before the House on a former evening. eir
Certain Members of this House did, on the partolloo.
constituents, make representations to my bight ter-
Friend, and I had some conversation with him Y
tesguy
day on the subject, when he stated that ho was no
in possession of their views. I saw him again to-od'
when ha said that he had been made fully acquainttell
with the views of the deputation, and had them 13;110
under consideration. As soon as my Rig
Friend has made up his mind he will inform the Hausa
—(A laugh.) I am not prepared to make any detailee
statement now, but I think it would be hardly lair to dee,
fer a debate on the sugar duties until the anover
been obtained.
Sir L. O'BRIEN said that would dererid
many votes
on the answer,
and, therefore, he was unwilling that the,
debate should proceed until he had obtained it.—(ll"r"
Lord J. RUSSELL —lmike
en
-- am not going to ma
statement with a view of securin h H Baronet
g t e on.
he°
vote. . We made the proposition which we thought
act according to his own views ;
for all the interests concerned. The Hon. Baronet we Right Honourane.
such measures as we think best for the public.—(
Lord G. BENTINCK—In my opinion the House'
we will only proll
placed in a most extraordinary position.—(Hear, hear'
It is proposed to go into Committee, to consider the Gn;
vernment plan respecting the sugar duties, but half le')`_
that plan refers to the differential duty on West Jodi*
rum. Now we hear that, unknown to the House, som
thing like a bargain has been transacted out of doors
between the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Irish
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Members.—(" Hear, hear," and "No, no," from
Treasury benches.) Yes, .it is expected on the Par
of the Irish Members that Government will redil
the relief quoad rum, which has been promise
to the %Vest Indies; and if we are rightly infornsed, the
Irish Members are prepared, if that part of the Govern-
went measure he withdrawn which relates to the d!lo
ferential duly between ruin and corn spirits, they (tD..
Irish Members) are then prepared to support Ministers
in their measure respecting the sugar duties.—(ll"r:
hear.) Now, the West Indians are not satisfied with the
concession originally prvinisid, and ill any case th