The Sun.
London, England, 1848-08-23 00:00:00

MINORITY-NOES, 18.

Ha'dock, E. 11. Jolliffe, Sir W. H. Varner, Sir W.
Christy, Samuel Keogh, William Vyse, R. H.
Dick, Quintin Miles, Philip W. S. Waddington, H. S.
Disraeli, B. Moore, G. 11. Walsh, Sir J.
Gwyn. Bowel Hollings, J. R. . ' TELLERS.
Henley, J. W. Napier, Joseph l3entinek, Lord G.
Herbert, 11. A.' Robinson, G. R. Spooner, Richard

• Amendment proposed, press 6, line 16 [" Drawback upon
refined Sugar in loaf, complete and whole, or lumps duly re-
fined, having been perfectly clarified and thoroughly dried in
the stove, and being of an uniform whiteness throughout, or
such Sugar pounded, crushed, or broken, or Sugar Candy the
cwt."] to leave out " 16s. 4d." in order to insert " Ifs."
instead thereof:—Question put, " That 16s. 4d.' stand part
of the Bill." The House divided :
MAJORITY—AYES, 81.

MINORITY-NOES, 16.
Baldock, E. 11. Keogh, William Walsh, Sir J. B.
Christy, Samuel Moore, G. H.
Dick, @Motu Mu'Hugs, J. R.
Disraeli, B. O'Brien, Sir Lucius
Gwyn, Bowel Robinson, G. R.
Henley, J. W. Verner, Sir W.
Jolliffe, Sir W. G. Waddington, IL S.

TELLTBO.

Bentinck, Lord G.
Spooner, R.

TO THE SECRETARY OF THE
BRADFORD REFORM ASSOCIATION.
Sir,—On Monday, the 21st, the two principal points
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coast of Africa.
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out to every ambitious yachter who pes are to be held
trious Stranger" with very doubt' tit Play the " Illus-
island, of seeing himself established with 2:60-07.itlisT
as Governor and 5001. a year as Consul, whether there
is anybody for him to rule over or no. A. Judge also is•
appointed, at a considerable salary, and it is admitted
without equivocation, that there is nobody to judge,
and consequently to govern. One Member in favour of
the proceeding, announced in round terms, that the end
was to be the taking possession of Borneo. This is the
upshot of all admissions of " Illustrious Strangers." It
was stated too fur the defence, that merchants in London
strongly urged the measure. I wonder what they would
not urge, when they are to have the chances of what may
come of it, and the public is to pay.
The debate on the African expenses was memorable
for the first distinct enunciation of the demand of the
West Indians, viz. to be allowed to go to the coast of
Africa, and purchase nrgroes where they can get them.
It was brought out, quaintly enough, by the admission
of the Government that two vessels sent to the coast of
Africa for volunteers, only brought one boy between
them. It is natural enough it should be so. Imagine that
after Europeans had been for centuries in the habit of
looking on Algiers as the seat of a slavery worse than death,
two Algerine vessels had been sent to the coast of Spain
or Italy for the purpose of inviting volunteers. Where-
upon stand up members of the Algerine Divan and
say, " Since these people will not come when they are
asked, we shall be ill-used Mussulmen if not allowed to
go and take them where we can get them." This is a
literal transcript of what we heard on Monday. And
then a quaker stands up, and protests against the
English people being made to pay "for philan-
thropic objects in which they have no concern.
If I was speaking to your fathers, I should say it
was because they had a concern. There was a time
when the restoration of the slave trade would have set
the West Riding in a flame. But we all know better
now. We have found out that a philanthropic object
w hich does not touch a man's pocket, or touches it the
wrong way, is no concern of his. What, then, is
philanthropy?
On Tuesday, the perpetual Sugar. Lord George Ben-
tinck repeated his proposal of a clause with the purpose
of removing inequalities under which the British refiners
are represented to lie, as compared with the Dutch; and
many of what are known as the Free Traders voted with
him, in spite of a damaging speech from a former Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, which might be supposed aimed
at mixing the question with other matters on which the
Free Traders could not be expected to agree; The clause
was finally lost by 73 against 40.
On re-assembling, the [louse was surprised by the ap-
parition of a Currency Debate. The objectrtain on such occa-
sions appears to be, to give vent to a ce quantity of
talk, and then by declining going to a division, to avoid
giving any absolute measure of strength. The only
substantial result of the night'S debate, was the vigorous
declaration of Sir Robert Peel, of his determination to
maintain the integrity of his Law of 1844 in despite of the
Lords' Report; in which he was supported by the cheers
of both sides of the House.
I am, Sir, your obedient servant,
T. PERRONET THOMPSON.
Blackheath, London, Aug. 23, 1848.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.
Stn,—There is one little mistake in Perronet Thompson's
bulletin of the House of Commons issued yesterday, viz.—
" That the fact of a man's going to one university in prefe-
rence to the other is proof that the value of the two degrees
is not in his eyes the same." The comparative value of the
degree can have no influence in sending a Dissenter to Cam-
bridge, inasmuch as he knows that be cannot obtain it. It
is the course of instruction pursued, the habits cultivated, the
associations enjoyed, and the prospect of honours held out
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to competitors in a genuine struggle, which draw men of
mam which
talent and industry to the schools of a (to them) heterodox
theology. No light testimonial this to the working of a
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clamour, but common sense. We do not want, however,y,
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of that violent interference from without, which wouldcoatn-
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ineuze, by withdrawing from certain professors—those, too,
whose lectures are attended ; for I may mention that, at Ox-
ford, attendance on those, e. 9., of the Regius Professor of
Divinity is required of candidates for orders graduating here
by nearly every English Bishop—the stipends which have
secured their services, the payment of which is a national
debt of honour, and to repudiate which would be a national
disgrace. What we want, Sir, is new blood, not bleeding.
I wish that Perronet Thompson and the world would un-
derstand the difrerence between educating and examining.
With respect to the former, though averse to the exaction of
any subscription to creed or articles, with damnatory clauses
above all, from anybody save those who profess a Divine call
to propagate them, I ca` help thinking that every system
of education is imperfect which does not comprise some reli-
• gi +us teaching—leaving the amount digested, of course, to he
• determined by the inherent vitality of the doctrine taught,
. the persuasive powers of the teacher, and the capacity, or (I
. write hastily) the swallow of the catechumen. It is this
which has secured the confidence of a religious people in the