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from the standing orders there were many c:..her Bills
which had also a claim upon their indulgence. Ze was
for adhering to the strict orders of the House, if the
House had given proper notice, for it was not until th:'
ith of May that they made it, and only two months be-
fore it came into operation. A totally different state of
things existed now from that which existed at the time
they made the order ; for they never contemplated thaS
the session would last to the third or fourth
wet k of August, or they would never have
made it.—(Bear, hear.) He did not perceive the
public utility of sending these Bills back again to the
House of Commons, at an expense of 'some 50,0001. or
60,e01;1., which he was assured was the case with the
Liverpool, Ormskirk, and Preston Railway. He would,
therefore, propose that a Select Committee should be
appointed to examine the case of these Bills, the
labours of which Committee would not be very severe.
He would, therefore, move that such a Committee be
appointed.
The Earl of WICKLOW was surprised that the
Noble Lord did not move some proposition more con-
sistent with justice ; he was of opinion that it was their
duty to rescind altogether these unjust orders.. The
session was likely to last until the end of August, and it
wi old be most unfair if they should neglect to perform
the public business whilst they did sit. There would be
no difficulty in obtaining an attendance of Peers, and if
there was why they should enforce one. He was sure
that if the matter was placed before such Peers as had net
attended upon Committees, they would at once signifi
their willingness to attend.
Lord MONTE AGLE considered that the p-oprsiticr
made by the Noble Lord (Clarendon) was the best"
which could be adopted, and he did not in any means
agree with the suggestion of the Noble Lord who bed
just sat down. There was a case of great hardship
made out for these Bills, and he did consider that they
would act most unjustly if they did not give these 3ills
some indulgence. But he did entreat their Lordships
rot to countenance any proposition which would allow
those Bills to stand over for another session of Par-
liament ; the greaest inconvenience had already resulted
from such a proceeding.—(Hear, Lear.)
Lord REDESDALE said that there never was a rule
made which gave greater satisfaction than the order
complained of. The parties promoting Bills had ample
notice upon the subject. He should propose that the.
rules should be strictly adhered to. Was a Bill to be
admitted because it was one, two, four, or ten day.% °ca.
late ? The term of due dilligence was too vague, 6135.
the only means of securing due diligence would be, tbeb
the promoters should be ready with their Bills by a ter'
taus time. There was something wanted in the consti-
tution
tution of a Committee more than the selection of five able
members. There should be some person, at any tete'
able by experience, to direct the others. They might as
well call five persons from the corner of the street as Pr
point five persons who did not know anything of the sub'
ject to decide upon the merits of certain Bills. Ile'
stated that the necessity for these rules was borne
out by the fact, that at the present moment he, as chair'
man of the Committee, had the greatest difficulty to
obtain Peers to attend to the Committee. There were
some Peers who, no doubt, would be quite ready to •
serve on Committees, but really there was looking after
required in these matters, there was no use in mincing
the subject. He should oppose any departure from the
original plan, as laid down by the House.
After a few words from Lord DEVON and Lord CIA'
RENDON,
The resolution was agreed to.
THE GAUGES BILL.
Lord BEAUMONT thought that this Bill sbouldl
be proceeded with at the present period of the sesst-
The effect of this Bill would be to perpetuate the bres_ll't
of gauge, and leaves an immense quantity of the Wo at
gauge in existence (the narrow gauge). He would
oppose the measure, if the Government would pled . •
themselves to bring in a Bill, next session, to securee,
uniform gauge throughout the country. He nsaintaie.i;
that the narrow guage was a dangerous one. It
give him the greatest pleasure, if the London and Yel •
line were to he laid out on the medium line.
Earl GREY said that for all practical purposes 011
colleagues were of the same opinion. be present, 13d
was only intended as a temporary measure. "re-ny
this Bill would pass. There was a sufficient argq3
for that to be found in the aspiration of his Noble Friend',.o
that the London and York Railway should be laid out
_Lo
a medium gauge, thus increasing the number of ga.e,l
in the country, and adding to the present difficub.,
the question. He thought if the Bill were to passja •
would prevent much increase of difficulty, even clu
the ensuing recess. the
The Earl of WARWICK was understood to pre s•
narrow gauge on short lines of railway.
Lord REDESDALE said he entirely agreed in
n3tl3.srtl
principle which had been recommended, as to uniformity
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of gauge. He thought, however, the narrow gauge_ so,
sufficient for all practical purposes, and while it was of
it ought to be kept in view that many thousandsco.,
strutted,miles were
gauge he thought they would have to resort to a
ern_i:o
eitherthis gauge. constructed,ln ns titourtinagboau tunbieta.
of gauge. He trusted the attention of the Goy t
would be early next session directed to the subjec .
The House then resolved itself into Committee. a„,
The Bill passed through Committee without ante"
ment, and was reported to the House.
SUGAR DUTIES (CONTINUANCE) BILL- ,0
This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to
read a third time to-morrow.
PORTEITRY PIER BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and P"se
RELIGIOUS OPINIONS RELIEF BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and Pa "eta' the House
Several Bills were forwarded a stage, and
adjourned.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, July 30. a
POOR REMOVAL BILL. „bit,
On the order of the day for the third reading ok
'
Bill being read,
this Bill, and he hoped that after he sat down an ericsuel,
Mr. V. SMITH wished to make a few observatienve,t!
nation would be given of the course intended to be pe.on st
His object, he said, was not to provoke diocusssi tote
present on this important subject, but he vieStt the
this opportunity of expressing his regret tZ‘P.,l.4ect
recommendations of the House on the !"-,,,1t5,
of the Poor-law had not been carried -tle
late Government,
The two other Bills which had been introduced hi be,
Iwvintuhldthebeef Right
tHhoeng.Breaartoensett,btehne
he regretted, were likely "'oo
dropped. Indeed, the Highway Rates Bill bei;eyed
withdrawn for the present session. That Bill, be ueL-ertb.
feorsTgffeutt
classes. The other Bill, to empower the Govtrn:-0:of
to advance money to landlords for the improvere` 1.0
their lands, ertemtobetrh
, 'on.
was at present under consiaerati
..sure,
his opinion it was a most excellent .133"„iight
and he hoped that the present session "'feel.
not terminate before it had passed lent PI
The recommendations which had bcen made 'irst
met with any attention by that House. The 0 tbe
those recommendations, and the most important,se t thil
consolidation of rates. It was stated in that repel. Os
there were 24 rates then existing in the countri',ur.'
they were applied to nearly 200 different _ roe
po,es. Excessive inconvenience resulted frlore 0
trouble of levying these various rates, and 01.7. The
re
general consolidation of them was recommend t° ert
legal way of levying them bad degenerated of the
illegal practice, and the House was aware 0 l'lf4
great difference between a practice an°, iscoto;
and the illegal practice in use led tom allfirlec.itho
veniences. Another point which was recontni.oo of ~' ,;
the consideration of the House was, the tats si- rceee'e-
holder instead of occnpier. They %101
the substitution of paid officers in theplace of 1 lueterY
ones. There were then in the country 180,000 v° _Olaf
officers, and if the House woe substitute wassim „Ire
number, with some small payment, he ;_,,
that it would be found beneficial to the ps pi.,
he Noble Lord to the'
lie had called the attention °t
t ke • •
points, because now was the time to raa .
.si
the regulation of 1?!',4;
great change affecting
taxation throughout the country.
• They had .I`eo
ife
arrived at the close of the angry contest betsol
two of the great interests of the country,..,piti
the Noble Lord should seise the epporrfe. 410
of doing justice to one of these interests fowo;1
protection they had lost, in doing which ke doe.
support of the whole $m
receive the willing i' sn
He wished to know whether the Right Hon. Genie te
who had charge of the Bill did not think it :Idris; role
which had been pursued o 4
pursue the course - ~,ow,.
Committee in t-e .-tuuce
occasions, and nominate his C • . h p
session? The Committee might not be able to Peture.
this session, but they would be able to call for rediao
which might considerably expedite their preee
_,
next year. n id, 61
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUeh"- sii_Aglii °I
to the statement made by the Noble Lord at "•-e be
co 0
the Government, almost all had, more or less, been that
mrth
into effect. He had but to remind the thelletzsesht Bill was before theother House'
Removal Bill had been 0 13 a nil
read a third time Mitteet,7ers
the improved
Drainage
Bill had been in COfrig'
was to be
recommitted ; the Maintenaneeneinies,7 the
had been voted ; so had the Relief for
the Prosecutions measure _ssed;
_due
had also been r intruhich
Police in Ireland measure would be ro
ues,
early next session.
stioas „
The other que Were 1
tee
the Honourable Gentleman alluded to lif
tions of ,1 wort „tor
great importance, and well 1,,,, ape" 1
consideration of the Government. .1•1'" • a orel°o
went made by the Noble Lord of his inteoti° be ,
the questione
POOI
,ern' 11
of the poor-rates and the flee.
Committee next session would prePere ecos'n it
tlemen during the recess to enter upon the
_. 3301,,e
tion next session with increased advantillyttee Oil w
would not be of any avail to go into Coo?
Sae
hassubject so near the end of the present ses , ~,,en sl ~t
Mr. BANKES said if any complaint lie.oa_ thongt'_.
as to the measures named, he would.
ch_lestattoweinr,
it very improper, considering the would
.1170 p°
_.„,
which the Government had come I'-' ',GO:4-J'
Majesty t 11,
The measure as now taken up by her
than lta GO :4-J'
ment was decidedly a much smaller one _lot, pi,
duced into the House by the Right Hon. -1.0"-_Y,,teclishrytt'
considered that the country would be disapfilTie
vis
if it was so blame could not justly fall uPho tbo Iltte
with which be acted. It was not true ti
with V v
with regard to the poor were PasSe con tee
The te
attention to their wants and sufferings• upied a
was the case. The subject had oe4,itb meat
attention of able and eminent men-
passed wit
an
MO
to the measure offered to them, if it Orettefi t.
any alteration he did believe that the P b
60 a , ...,bo
would receive an injury rather th fa n
le Ice his,
In Dorchester an immense number of peot:.a_diug t
did not belong to that town, but, notwith !_u_;„e air,.
his constituents were not opposed to the %Taillight be
dustiial residence. In many cases an ivjYt ree°g;
done if the principle of irremovability
Were
poor 10%;
nixed. When in a manufacturing tovvn,.c
_,..,,,e raig
who had been formerly employed in agriar,, ;district,
have remieiseenses of days that were E..,1.,,,ixt0 •
, which it, Re taw it will aow ''.