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suits where the debt or damage amount not to 10s. were
not to be determined in the Courts of Westminster, unless
a title of land came in question, but they were to be deter-
mined in the County Court, Hundred Court, or Court
Baron. And this was the ancient law ; vide Stat. Gin-
cest. 6E. I.* At that time, 40s. was a considerable
sum; 1. In respect of the intrinsic value of the coin, for
then 20d. made an ounce of silver, and at this day it is
55., viz., 60 pence, and upon that single account 40s. then
arbeth now to 61. But 2. That was not all, for, as I may
say, money was at that time dearer than it is now, because
there WAS not so much, and hence it is that the prices of
all things at this day are much dearer now than they were
then, because money is much more plentiful now than it was
then." Nor was this all, for he further said, "That it was
the wise constitution of the common law to keep small
suitors from the great Courts of Westminster."—(Hear,
hear.) That was the opinion of Lord Hale, and
so far from the opinion being in favour of the opinion
of the Noble and Learned Lord, it was directly the
reverse.—(Hear, hear.) And this appeared tobe the opinion
of the Judges of the Courts of Westminster themselves, for
they had decided, that where a case was for a sum less
than 20/. they would allow no new trial, he the merits of
the case what they might, and even if the parties themselves
agreed to let the case go to a new trial. That showed
that the Judges themselves did not think it proper to
encourage small actions in superior Courts.—(Hear.)
Even supposing, and allowing, thet these Local Courts
should be established, still, inure than half the causes that
might be tried in them avould, after all, be tried in West.
minster Hall. He considered that the poor man's cha-
racter was as dear to him as the rich man's character, and
he should be afforded every means of redressing that
character when injured. It had been objected to the Bill
that, in moving for a new writ of certiorari, the securities
would he unlimited in their amount, and therefore the
poor would not be benefited. Now the Bill obviated
such an objection ; for it expressly provided that damages
should be cut down to the amount of 501 , so that the
security could never reach that sum. He would not
delay their Lordships with any further remarks. His
Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack had already
gone into the merits of the measure, and would, no doubt,
fully answer any remaining objections that might be made
to it.
Lord WYNFORD said that he was perfectly surprised
that the Noble and Learned Lord who spoke last should
be so inconsistent, without giving reasons for his incon-
sistency, as to support the present measure. when he
objected to a measure of his (Lord Wynford's), thrown
out last session, which contained a principle with respect
to the examination of witnesses in the superior Courts,
which was far less objectionable than the same principle,
extended as it was, in the present Bill.
Lord PLUNKETT said that he objected to the Noble
and Learned Lord's treasure on two grounds. First,
because the interrogatories established by it affected
freehold property; and secondly, because Courts of Equity
would not have a proper check on the decisions of other
Courts.
Lord WYNFORD—In considering this Bill, it would
not only be necessary to look to the patronage that would
accrue from it to the Noble and Learned Lord on the
woolsack, but also to that obtained by a very different
department of the Government. There was no danger
that an improper use would he made of that patronage,
but he should like to know how many applications had
been lately made to the Noble arid Learned Lord in con-
sequence of this projected measure. (The Lord Chancellor
intimated by gesture that none had been made.) The
Noble and Learned Lord himself had on a former occasion
owned that the patronage would be great, and that his
mind laboured how to get rid of it. For his own part he
objected to any new amount of patronage being conferred,
no matter to whom it might be given. The patronage
bestowed by the present measure would be great; it would
extend to the appointment of some 30 or 40 judges, of as
many registrars, and of a greater number of inferior officers.
He was sure that this patronage, connected with the
other patronage of the high office:E. the Noble and Learned
Lord filled, would be inconsistent with the safety of the
lives, property, and liberties of the public. In the pre-
amble of the Bill it was stated that the operations of the
measure would be limited. It was said to he an experi-
ment ;as such pet haps he might not object to it. He
even then said, very well, let it be tried in one or two
counties with which he was connected.—(A laugh.) That
was not found convenient to be done, and when he saw
that his motion in the Committee to limit the Bill to two
counties was lost, it was then he determined to vote
against it. He thought that Parliament should he enabled
to judge how the measure was likely to succeed before it
could be tried on a grand scale. The plan would not be
in operation three months before it would be found expen-
sive and impracticahle. I' should not be left to Ministers
to inquire as to its efficiency ; the inquiry should be made
by Parliament. Local Courts had been tried of yore, hut
it was found then, and was ever found in modern times,
that justice could not be administered in them. It was
for that reason that Judges in Eyre were appointed to
bring justice nearly to the point that it was intended to
be brought by the present measure. All the evils atten-
elmt on the appointment of these Local Courts would be
obviated if the two or three clauses he proposed in Com-
mittee had beets agreed to. Those clauses were to reduce
the expenses of the higher Courts. Local Courts had
been tried ; they existed in former periods, but fell into
disuse. Local Courts existed in all the great towns
of the kingdom. They existed in the metropolis.
There were in it the Lord Mayor's Court, the She-
riff's and the Palace Courts, in which actions under
20/. might be tried. Yet, though the gates of
those Courts stood gaping wide, no suitors could be
tempted to enter scarcely, as was proved by the fact
that 300 cases that might be tried in those Courts, were
carried to the superior Courts. They were found to be
expensive—that was the chief reason ; and he appeeled to
the Noble and Learned Lord, if, by his Bill, the expense
of the inferior Courts on the subject of witnesses, would
not be as great, if not greater then they were at present
in the other Courts. After rep'yiog to the argument of
the Lord Chancellor on the subject of new trials in cases
where the damages were under 20/., by saying that new
trials were granted in all cases where there was any infor-
mality, lie concluded by calling the attention of the House
to the little probability of there being a good bar, and of
the great importance to the public and to the due aomini •
stration of justice, that the respectability of the profession
should be maintained ; that the Ecclesiastical Commission
had gut rid of the Diocesan Courts ; and that, upon all
those grounds, he into. support the amendment.
The. LORD CHANCELLOR assured their Lordships
that he rose under the influence of the greatest concern
and anxiety—that anxiety o casioned, in the first place,
by the vast importance of the subject to which he should
have to address himself—an importance fully admitted on
that as well as in every one of the preceding stages of the
Bill—an importance felt no less within the walls of that
House than without—he trusted, notwithstanding, that
in the discussion of the Bill on their Lordships' table, and
in considering the several questions to which it gave
rise, he should not have recourse to any one of
those topics, against the use of which his Noble and
Learned Friend the Chief Baron of the Court of Exche,
quer had issued his prohibition, and which, so far as he
was concerned, had been wholly superfluous, at the same
time that he was perfectly willing to acknowledge that
the interest everywhere felt on the subject might afford
the fairest temptation to depart from those rules in the
conduct of this discussion, upon which his Noble and
Learned Friend had so very properly insisted. In ad-
dressing himself to the observations made upon. the Bill
by his Noble and Learned Friend, the late Chief Justice
of the Court of Common Pleas, he could very sincerely
assure their Lordships of his intention to do so within
as narrow a compass as the length of his speech, and his
respect for the opinious and character of his Noble and
Learned Friend would permit. If, however, his reply to
the argument of his Noble and Learned Friend should
prove longer than might be agreeable to their Lordships,
he trusted that, under the peculiar circumstances in
which he stood, that excess might be pardoned, and

if not on that account, at least on account of the
general interest which that Bill had excited. He re-
peated that he would endeavour to reply to his Noble
and Learned Friend in as few observations as possible,
and he hoped he would attribute his dealing with him
briefly not to any want of personal respect. That bre-
vity he really felt imposed on him by the circumstance
of his Noble and Learned Friend's labouring under so
considerable a degree of ignorance upon the question
which their Lordships had to consider-(Cheers and
Litighter)—so peat was his misapprehension not only of
the principle of the measure—not only of any of its
provisions—not only of the grounds upon which it
was introduced—not only of the arguments by which it
was supported or assailed—not only of the very papers
which he himself ILA made use of, but of the provisions
of his own Bill—that it would only be necessary for him
to trouble their Lordships with a vary few observations in-
deed, in order to dispose of all that had fallen from his
Noble and Learned Friend. Wbe❑ he remembered, as he
sad, the extraordirrary and incomprehensible ignorance of
his Noble and Learned Friend, lie professed himself
utterly unable to account for it, and for the strange h
shlu-
cination under which he seemed to labour—otherwise
than by coming to the conclusion that lie had not bestowed
upon the present question that degree of attention which
is his wont. He could not imagine bow his Noble and

See Chap. 8. of the Statute.

Learned Friend could become so struck with intellectual
blindness, by nothing less than by assuming that lie was
then deficient in that acute attention which he ordinarily
bestowed upon the questions before their Lordships—for
example, he said that the County Courts and Local Courts
were every where to be found—that there was hardly a
couaty, city, or great town, in which they were not to be
found, and yet they were so little beneficial that no sui •
tors were to be found—though their doors were gaping,
suitors would not enter—they did not like the system.
Within the limits, as it might be said, of the metrepolie,
there were the Palace Court, the Lord Mayor's Court in
London, and the Court of the Sheriff of Middlesex; and
there are, as was well known, various Courts of a similar
description elsewhere. Now it so happened that he held
in his hand returns from the Steward of the Palace Court,
who was appointed under his Noble Friend the Lord Stew-
ard, and from those returns it appeared that in 1832
there were tried in that Court no fewer than 921 causes.
Lord 'WYNFORD—Was not that the number of writs
issued ?
The LOAD CHANCELLOR said he would presently
favour his Noble and Learned Friend with the number of
writs issued-921 was the number of the causes actually
brought to trial in a single year. What did their Lord-
ships suppose was the actual number of writs?—only
7,100--(Great cheers and laughter)—only 7,100 in the
Palace Gaut in one year, and those were the Local
Courts of which his Noble and Learned Friend told
them the doors were gaping wide, and that no suitors
would enter. The Courts might be cheap—they might
be at hand—but his Noble and Learned Friend averred
to the House that suitors were not to be found, and
the Palace Court did not try one-third part of the
causes which, in point of fact, as appeared from the
official return, it had tried.—(Renewed laughter.)
Lord WV.NFORD—What I stated was, that in one
year 300 causes were tried in the inferior Courts which
might have been tried in the Palace Court.
The LORD CHANCELLOR—But the argument of
his Noble end Learned Friend was, that the people did
not like the Local Courts.—(Loud cheers.) Would their
Lordships permit him to call their attention to another
Local Court within the limits of the metropolis—that
over which his Learned Friend Sergeant Heath pre-
sided ?—(Hear, hear.) In that Court 9,000 causes were
disposed of annually. In the Local Court at Liverpool,
9,000 or 10,000 causes were likewise disposed of an-
nually ; and at Manchester as many. He forgot which it
was that disposed of the greater number ; but this he re-
-1 membered, and could prove, if necessary, that the Local
Court at one of those towns disposed annually of 10,000,
on an average; and that the other got rid of 20,000.
Throughout the country there were many Courts of the
same description, to which the suitors flocked, though his
Noble and Learned Friend could not discern any—(A
laugh)—and resisted the enactment of a measure, the
object of which was to render universal Courts wh: never
resorted to by all desiring cheap and speedy justice; and
he should like to know the man who in his own case
wished for a tartly and expensive administration of the
law. He admitted that many of the courts of which he
had been speaking were exceedingly imperfect ; but the
object of the Bill was to amend them, and establish
similar tribunals where none at present existed. Not-
withstanding, however, that so many of them were ill
regulated, they were much resorted to, and had been
productive of great individual benefit.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
Their Lordships had already before them the most con-
clusive evidence that the evils which the Bill was in-
tended to remedy were wide spread, deep-rooted, and
sorely felt ; that wherever such Courts existed they
were the place of daily resort by the suitors of the neigh-
bourhood ; that they were resorted tc for their proxi-
mity and for their cheapness, and whatever might be the
evils with which they were fraught, cheapness and
proximity overcame them all, and the Courts were uni-
versally resorted to. Another instance which marked
that inattention ou the part of his Noble and Leal ned
Friend of which he had been speaking was, that he seemed to
overlook the fact that the present measure had been submit.
ted to the consideration of his other Noble and Learned
Friend the Chief Baron, and the suggestions by him made
in consequence of the Bill being so laid before him were
sent to the Common Law Commissioners ; that the mea-
sure had been postponed for upwards of a year; that it
had been investigated in its principles and its details—after
a magi of evidence upon the subject—a great body of evi-
dence--after bestowing upan the measure the closest and
the most minute attention—those Commissioners declared
for the measure, the whole measure, and nothing but the
measure. The Bill then before their Lordships was in all
essential principles that of which the Commissioners had
approved. The Commissioners had reported in favour of
the princip'e of the Bill, but nevertheless his Noble end
Learned Friend mullet see nothing of that in their report,
though words could not be more express than were their
declarations on the subject—yes, truly, the Bill before
them went further than the recommendations of the Come
missioners—on that point they were at issue before the
House. His Noble and Learned Friend affirmed that the
Bill went beyond the recommendation of the Commission,
anti was not their Bill ; that lie denied. He was sure that
the representation of the report of the Commission given
before their Lordships was a representation, or rather
misrepresentation, made by his Noble and Learned Friend
in perfect innocence, and without the remotest suspicion of
the truth. He felt perfectly assured that no political bias
could lead his Noble and Learned Friend to do anything so
utterly vain and silly, and so liable to detection and exposure,
as the misrepresentation of the report to which he referred
—(Cheers)—there could not he a more gross mistake; there
could not be any statement more diametrically opposite to
the truth, than to say that this Commission confined their
recommendation to a Small Debts' Court. Let them only
refer to the recommendation itself, which approved of the
establishment of the local jurisdiction in all personal ac-
tions, where the demand did not exceed 201., provided it
did not involve any question relating to the title of free-
hold, copyhold, tithes, or to titles under a commission of
bankrupt. Now those exceptions of the Commissioners
were the precise exceptions that he had made in his Bill.
He had adopted the precise line that the Commissioners
had advised; upon not one material point had he deviated
from that advice. He would remind his Noble and
Learned Friend—if reminding it could be called—to tell
him of that which, perhaps, he never knew—(A laugh)—
that there was the most perfect accordance between the
Bill and the report, and that report was signed by a King's
Counsel, Ly a Sergeant, by a Commissioner of Bankrupts,
and by other persons of great learning and eminence in
the profession ; and they had, to prevent any possibi•
lity of doubt as to the interpretation to be put upon
the words " personal actions," declared the precise sense
in which those words were used ; and, to remove all un-
certainty, had given the precise form of pleading to be used,
as well in actions of assault against the person, as in other
cases of personal actions. Had his Noble and Learned

Friend made himself as well acquainted with the other
parts of the report as he had with the Appen-

dix, he would have found that the whole was, as bad Leen

already said, in perfect accordance with the Bill then on
the table of the House. But then the House were to!d

that those Local Courts might be allowed to try actions of
trespass relating to goods, but that they should not be
permitted to interfere with any thing involving those
nice questions which arose out of personal actions. He
would beg of Hs Noble and Learned Friend to turn

swiftly over three pages of the report—from 24 to 27
and he would there find that the Commiesioners had re-
commended that in actions of slander the def&ndants
should be allowed to plead in justification that the words
spoken were true. Need he go further to show the ex-
traordinary and absurd degree of ignorance which seemed
to affect the mind of his Noble and Learned Friend? And

need be go further to establish the degree in which be was

supported by the authority of that Learned Commission ?
He valued much—he prized highly—and reluctantly
should he permit any one to wrest from him the authority
and sanction which his measure received from the support

of the Commission; and he should lament the loss a
that support and sanction the more, when he recollectk

;he known political bias of the distinguished individuals

composing that Commission. Bias of a certain sort they
unquestionably were under the influence of—for, in times
like the present, who would be without political bias?--
and that bias, it was well known, was i❑ favour of ttio,e
who opposed the Bid, and against the principles of his
Majesty's Government. But his Noble and. Learned
Friend teemed to forget all that. He seemed to forget
even his own Bill, and the mode in which he conducted
the discussion o❑ it—he seemed to forget how
he had made the Bill tend to defeat its own
purpose, and bow he had charged his Noble and
Learned Friend (the Lord Chancellor of Ireland)
with that of which his Noble and Learned Friend, anr,
late Chief Justi of the Common Pleas, had himself been

guilty. But no man who knew his Noble and Le :riled
Friend would attribute to him any intentional misrepre
sentation—he merely laboured under a complete forget-
fulness of the matters under consideration.—(Chetra and
laughter.) He was now on his defence bd,te the 11mi,,
and the country, against the accusation of his Noble and
Learned Friend the Chief Baron, who had been so power
fully seconded in the debate by the knowledge and thi
accuracy of his Noble and Learned supporter, the late
Chief Justice of Common Pleas, and for the purpo,e of
repelling those accusations, he felt himself called upon to
take to his aid the report of the Commissioners, who h d
shown that they were alive puliticil bias—sustained b)
such authority, it was no wonder that -he should feel

Jealous at any attempt to wrest from him the 'le
authority upon which he leaned for support. He
proceeded to explain the difference between the first 131'
introduced and the present. He was aware that
very specious objections might he urged against the I
sure, and he did not underrate that which rested I
the local prejudices of the Judges ; hut it was in the
in all similar cases, a choice of evils, arid he felt that
benefits to be derived would greatly overbalance the e'
There was no desirable measure so generally wise
safe, upon the whole, that did not carry with it IV
that might be objected to, but it was to he acceptedt.
because it pretended to unmixed good, but as preset')
a balance of advantage. The Noble and Learned I
proceeded to show the analogy between his inef
and the law relating to assistant barristers in ireae
contending that the latter, who went their eirc,
six times in every year, would have as much cowl°,
and intercourse with the inhabitants as the District Jul
of the Local Courts. Noble Lords who had adverted
the point, and especially his Noble and Learned Friend,
Chief B iron, had omitted to state the principal arguif.
in favour of the abolition of the Welch judicature,
el7ll,
was not that the Judges had intercourse with the i0"1,
tants, but that one day they were practising as Barrise
and the next presiding on the Bench. On the subjeel
connection and intercourse, he begged to ask to ii4l
class of Judges it was most important to be free from
fluence, from prejudice, and partiality—those who °
called upon to sit upon a cause relating to a debt of
at the utmost, or those who had to decide upon snipe
the highest criminal offences, punishable with transPl
lion for a number of years, or even for life ?_(He
Yet the latter functions were exercised by Alagistrate3
the country—whether acting singly or in pairs'
threes and furs in Petty Sessions, or in greater 0
bers at Quarter Sessions. Yet this was, perhaps,
roost cherished part of the law of England ; and 01
man in either House of Parliament, but above all in el,
would dream of throwing out eves a suspicion that
Magistrates of England were not only competent and
imterested, but the most competent and most disinterei
Judges that could be appointed ? These Magistrates
nothing else but Local Judges—often exercising jul
diction even in their parlour, arid ,Siadies, and bay'
nu jurisdiction nut of the district or county in sel,
they resided.—(Hear,) They decided causes of 1
highest and deepest interest to their friends—to their'
nants—or to those with whom they were upon term'
political or parochial animosity. Their impartiality
never impeached, and it was secured by two safeguards
first, they seldom exercised superintendence of the Cots
King's Bench : and secondly, and above all, the gtt
.
check and control of public Opinion. Neither did het'
that improper appointments under the Bill would be 0
by Ministers ; the eyes of the public at this time were!
merely constantly glaring, but suspiciously frowning OF
public men : and he must be absolutely insane who iOr
now venture to job away his patronage; if he svr
willing to set character and consistency at defiance,
must also be regardless of his political existence, and el'
of his personal safety, who would nominate a friend
the purpose of promoting a political design. He put
practically to the Noble and Learned Friends who bee
him, whether there was a town in England where
Judge would be called upon to exercise his functions
which there was not a newspaper.--(Cheers and laughter
Seine of their Lordships seemed to he mighty merry atib
mention of newspapers ; but be (the Lord Chancellor
never knew a Judge who, however he might affect di°
gard for newspapers, was not unwilling to expose birnst
to the scrutiny of the pres.—(Cheers.) As long as the
remained a jealous and watchful press, it would be as to
possible for a local Judge to show the existence of priil
motives, as for him to be influenced by that coil
tion a century and a half ago, had been tYI
scandal of the judicial seat.—(lLear.) That they WI,
be biassed by their feelings or their prejudices,
believed to be utterly chimerical ; and the Local Joe
would necessarily be a man of character and integrho ,'
moving in a respectable sphere, holding rank at the 17;
and free from all associations inconeisterat with his
dig
nity. Besides, he would he frequently absent from t:
town that might be called Ids head-quarters, and the st,
pointment would only be made in large, populous district.
Before he said a word or two upon the point of patronsg°
he must express his surprise at the general nature of tel
objections to the Bi I of his Noble Friend (Lord Wheeo.
cliffe), who, in the first instance, had so far concurred
the principle as to lend the Committee his aid in its de
tails. Every argument he had used against this mos°i,
would apply to every Small Debt Bill that might be
intro
dueed; and when he talked of the influence upon,
prejudices of Local Judges, it came from him, of all
with the worst possible grace. He often acted as a LOC°
Judge--11'S high rep :111,6w: en a Local Judge was kilUO,
to every lawyer in Westminster Hall; and where had he
character for skill, knowledge, and impartiality bee
formed ?, As Chairman of the Quarter Sessions in
West Riding of Yorkshire, yet no local interest, no prieu°
connexion, had cast the shadow of a shade over eb,i,
brightness of his judicial career. His Noble Frien''
the Lord Chief Baron and the late Lord Chief Justeied
(Loud Wynforil) seemed to forget entirely that his Nob"
and Learned Friend (for learned he might call him'
after his great experience) was a Local Judge,
nothing but a Local Judge, in the very county in whic
he lived, and which he represented inParliament
t
No men, however, had ever ventured a whisper again!,
his perfect impartiality, although a man entertaining ;
strong political opinions, and—it need be—as strong Per,
sonal animosities, as any Judge on the Bench in West'
minster Hall.—(Cheers and laughter.) Those; then, Vlb,
-
talked of the possible impurity of the administration of tDe
law by Local Judges, he answered out of the mouth of big
Noble Friend, and by reference to his unsullied example.l
(Hear.) He now came to the question of patronage ; M3l,
recollecting that the Bill was drawn up as long ago
as Apr
1830, when his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord LY"'';
burst) wes Chancellor, it was singular that it did not oat!
to him that the patronage, such as it was, had been 0111;
ginally meant for him and his friends. Since then 11 1
(tie Lord Chancellor) had endeavoured to distribute
among the Judges ; and, with all their sneers and taun°
his Noble and Learned Friends could not on this score rg;
'
fu-e a scanty and meagre tribute of praise. Of taunts see
but he did complain of the
sneer:,
misstatement the didn t
t i:fo facts. cotsm.pla li'n erhaps they thought it necesseer
eme
to attempt to enliven the debate, and had, therefore, 040;
dried into the regions of pare fiction, without remember
•'
however, Chit even invention in some cases might
as dull as fact. It was remarkable, however, that all e"
errors were one way—in their own favour, and agui°sl
hiin.—(Bear.) For instance, there was no part of tbl
811 which required four Judges for the West Riding °
Yorkshire; and tie Noble and Learned Chief Baron
wear,
.
to have got as inaccurate a view of this measure as n:
Noble and Learned Ex-Chief Justice of the Common Pleat
had taken of his own.—(Laughter.)
Lord WYNFORD rose, amid reiterated cries °I:
Order." He said that he had submitted a long tin!!
with patience; but he would not be held up to ridicule
by any man.—(Laughter, and cheers.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR contended that his Nubled
and Learned Friend was exceedingly disorderly. He has,
spoken of inaccuracy in either reading or remetnberil
a document: if his Noble and Learned Friend had re.
it he hailt,
P l forgotten it, or possibly he had never read
iheo
would remember what Dean Swift said of persons W
He had not held him up to ridicule, but he hoped f
were laughed at.—(Hear, and laughter.)
Lord WYNFORD interrupted the Noble Lord,
desired that the 15th standing order might be read. J"
would then ask whether he whose duty it was to Pre
serve order should himself be disorderly ?—(Much Ore
fusion.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR, having resumedhis
seat on the Woolsack, directed that the 15th standla' order be reed by the chrk.
was read accordingly, and it was found to require
that all personal, sharp, or taxing speeches be forborne Ty
(Laughter and cheers)—that the speaker " should uPP„e
his answer without wrong to ti,e person, and that
h't
nothing offensive ought to be spoken, so nothing Og"
to be ill taken"—(lminense cheering from all sues)
di
" that the party who speaks what offends shall prese°
make a fair explanation, or if otherwise, that the /I"trie
would sharply censure the offender, and call upon him )
make fit reparation or to give full satisfaction."—(Cheer!')
Earl GREY rose to order, but
The LORD CHANCELLOR interposed, and the Pare
veiling and general confusion somewhat subsided. 1;
1.3 e
issued their Leroships that he should conform to ;pa
Order, explained as it was by modern usage—(Heish)es—„,.,
avoid all " personal, sharp, and taxing speeches...o,le
(Cheers and laughter.) He only hoped that his N
and Learned Friend would on his part take nod:1410e
,hat was not offensively spoken.—(Much cheering.)
had meant to give no offence, and he hoped that s!o'ie
are had said would be taken as it was meant. Ilis N.
to
.dud Learned Friend did not suppose that he meant
charge wilful inaccuracy.
Lord W YNFORD observed that he did not suppose ire
'file LORD CHANCELLOR intended only to' iiyhre
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