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which they believed were uncalled for and unnecessary.
They submitted whether it would not he more wise and
ins, to that loyal and much abused nation, to try what
remedial measures would do, before going on wi,b a Bil,
of this kind without inquiry. The petitioners implore,'

the H.,use to cons'cler the state of Ireland, and to attempt

to relieve that country from a system of tithes unparallele,
in the world.—(Hear, be.tr.) They also prayed th,
House to reject the Bill for chancing the venue it,
Ireland, both of which measures, they considered,

would have the effect of destroying all confidence between
the two countries. The [lon. Gentleman also presented
a petition, numerously signed, from Boston, and hegved

to call the attetition of Ministers to the first signatnr

to the petition, which was that of a gentleman of the
largt st property in the neiglitoiurhood of the town. It
was the signature of a gentleman who enjoyed an
income of about 6,0001. a year—a man not ver,
likely to he led astray by the political demagogues
It was also signed by the vicar and the churchwardens of
the town. They expressed the satisfaction with which
they had heard of the Church Reform introduced by Govern-
ment, but stated they had scarcely been able to offer their
meed of prise to the framers of the measure when they
were horror struck by the introduction of a tneasur- more
tyrannical than any ever before introduced by a British
Statesman. They implored the House not to pass he
Bill, which had for its object, not the conciliation of Ire•
land, but the subjugation of that country. The next pe-
tition he had to present was from the inhabitants of the
borough of Derby, signed by upwards of 3.000 persons.
The petition was very long, and expressed the great indigna
tion of the petitioners, reprobat'ng in the strongest possible
terms the conduct of his Mdjesty's Ministers in bringing
in such a Bill before a Re'ormed House of Parliament.
It stated that Bills something like the present had been in-
troduced on former occasions into Parliament, and
had then met with the just indignation of the
very individuals Nvlio brought forward this Bill.
They expressed themselves acquainted with the reason of
it, and entreated the House to reject the proposed mea-
sure with indignation and scorn.
Mr. CAVENDISH said it was true that the Derby
petition was signed by, as he understood, 3,500 indivi-
duals, but as its contents did not accord with his feelings,
he regretted to say he could not support the prayer of it.
An Hose. MEMBER (as we understood the colleague
of Mr. Wilkes,) said that he concurred entirely with part
of the statements made in the petiti& that had
just been presented. The petitioners said there were
causes, and indeed individuals of all descriptions ever
thought Ireland admitted that there were causes for some
extraordinary measure. That the cause of the grievances
or disturbances was the tithe law, he entirely
agreed. He had given his support to the first reading of
this Bill, and he proposed to support it through a second
reading, considering that Ireland was in that state which
rendered it impossible for him to refuse his sup-
port to this or any other measure that might he pro-
pounded to overcome the tyranny that prevailed at
present in Ireland. There was, however, in this Bill that
which he felt an invincible objection.—(Hear, hear.) If
the Bill should be altered in Committee so as to enable
him finally to give his support to it, it would afford
him the greatest possible satisfaction. He con-
ceived that the best interests of the country were
intimately connected with the present members
,•f the Government continuing in office ; but to pre-
vent persons from petitioning Parliament—(Hear, hear)—
to suffer individuals to be imprisoned by irresponsible per-
sons—(Haar, hear)—he would not entrust the power to
any man, or any set of men, to act in this wdy, with a
view to put down any tyranny whatever.—(Hear, hear.)

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Mr. O'CONNELL would not have said a: word if the
Hon. Gentleman had not said that all sets of men in Ire-
land agreed to there being a cause.
Ti.e HON. GENTLEMAN explained.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that no man could deny there
had been committed in Ireland for the last sixty years
outrages of the most distressing nature; but wherever the
law had been put into active execution, those outrages had
been speedily overcome. The assizes in Leland were now
going on, and he had just received Mr. Justice Collin's
report front 'Waterford, who declared that the law
was strong enough if only put into execution.
Instead of putting the law as it at present stood into exe-
cution, having tried a special commission in Queen's
County last year, and in that way put down the disturb-
ances, they had never tried one since, but had continued
the tithe war from parish to parish, thereby provoking
and inciting to outrage. Was it not cruel, then, under
such circumstances, that English gentlemen of liberal
principles aed honest judgments should allow them-
selves to be carried away upon the anonymous con.
rents of a red box, and repeated assei tions in leo-
tiers, the names to which no person knew ? He
trusted the House would give the opportunity of
going into an inquiry on the subject. The law
had been found strong enough to vindicate the
horrible mur•rer that had been committed at NV tr.

turd ; a trial bad taken place—three persons had
been capitally convicted, and two of them ez -
ecuted ; one of them had declared his innocence
to the last moment. He acknowledg,-d that for other of

fencts committed by him he ought justly to die, hut tat
f murder imputed to him he ~a 8 pet f ctly inn cent.
Af.ei wards one of tho•e who remained unexceuted ev

thank. d the Jury for convicting him, acknowledgi d
that he was the sole actor in the dreadful of-
fence, and tiat the other two culprits were perfectly
innocent. He was executed. and the one rein ,ining is to
have a tree pardon by his M.jesty. T,is then. showed
that, if even with all the pr.ctutions which the law
gave, administered by its most experienced Judges, mis-
takes, and serious mistakes were occasionally c,,nimitted,
how impirtant it was that the ailininistr.tion of the
law should not be taken out of the hands of these Judges,
that the trial by jury should not be dispensed with, and
that the liberties of the people should be put into the
hands if a few young tificerb. Let the Bill only linger
in the HIM, till the assizes wer- over, and every pretext
for taking away trial by jury, for suppressing the liberty
of the press, and handing over men, women, and children
into a common dungeon, would be exploded. This
showed, to a most melancholy extent, the necessity of a
dissolution of the Union.
Lord ALTIIORP said tie ohj, ct of the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman seemed to be to repeat on the present
occasion all that be had said on the first reading of the
Bill.

Mr. SHELL said that the example had been set by the
Hon. Gentleman, who had pi eceded the Hon. sad Learned
Gentleman, hut upon which no observation was made by
the Noble Lotd.
Mr. RONAYNE presented a petition from Cionmel,
signed by upwards of 2,000 persons, against the Coercive
Bill. The petitioners called upon the House to legislate
fur Ireland, if they deemed it part of the British Empire,
with the s ,me spirit of impartial justice that they did for
England. The petitioners also asserted, most peremp-
torily, that the county of Tipperary was never more
tranquil than at the present moment, even when crime
io Ireland was at its greatest height.—(Hear.) For the
truth of that statement, they appealed to the high-minded
Nobleman who was the Lord-Lieutenant of the county.
The Hon. Member could not but lament that Govern-
ment had not obtained its information from such sources,
instead of from those parties who had given them informa-
tion. The petitioners also stated, that the Catholic Jurors
of the county had attended the Clontnel assizes in great
numbers, notwithstanding the insults they had received
both front solicitors and counsel. The petitioners
reminded the House that they were free born men, enti-
tled to their just rights, and ready at all hazards to main-
tam them inviolate. The petitioners concluded by pray.
ing the House not to sanction the present iniquitous Bill.
The Hun. Member preserved a similar petition from a
parish in Limerick, in which the petitioners stated that
they had read, with feelings of surprise and alarm, the
introduction of measures for the coercion of Ireland
—(Heir, hear, heir)—which they considered altogether
unnecessary, unwarranted, impolitic, and introduced for
the purpose of preventing the people meeting to discuss
their grievances, and thereby totally annihilating the
right to petition. The petitioners implored the House to
protect their rights and liberties, and to oppose
every measure that would expose them to the
frightful horrors of military tribunals.—(Hear, hear.)
Also, another from Ardargh, in The county of Cork, in
which it was asserted that us far as the petitioners were
concerned, there existed no pretence for depriving them of
the protection of the laws. The dreadful effects which
might follow the overturning of all law would be made
apparent by the statement of an anecdote which would
show the let ling of the yeomanry upon this subject. On a
late occasion, when a corps of yeomanry were out
and enjoying themselves in a way, perhaps, the
greater part of its members had not been accustomed
to, this toast was proposed :—" If this he war, may we
never have peace." Whilst such a feeling as this pi e-
vailed amongst those at whose mercy the peasantry would
be placed, it would be evidently most dangerous, as well
as tyrannical and unjust, to pass a Bill of this kind.
Colonel WILLIAMS presented two similar petitions
from the hundred of Moseley and from S,ayly-bridge,
both
in the parish of Ashton-under-Line. The petitioners
regretted the introduction of the Coercive Bill, as being
founded neither in necessity, justice, nor humanity, but as
subversive of every fundamental principle of free govern-
ment. In his (Col. W.'s) opinion, the power given in
this Bill ought to be intrusted to no Ministry. He did