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ththeeerrds of Parliament, that after the Irish Parliament and
rreeenglish Parliament had been endeavouting to ciscover the
of ens:eine; the Irish Roman Catholice to testify their
,at,leette to their Sovereign, by striking out from tne oetee tee
eo"t_cf supremacy, and all reference to tee peculiar
ate to Catholic doctrines of transubstantiatioe, and
(14/ "'lig else, those parts of the declaration or
, Which had reference to the property of tele
,at, en, or to the existence of the Church, were in ierted ru the
Th:?,on the petition of the Roman Catholics themselves.
erenuse petitions coremenced in 1805 ; they went on froin that
bine to 1826; and on the passing of the Roman Catholic Relief
11),1,1'1, Roma, Ceeleilests thernselv, s eeniee that
any wish to deeteve :lie Church of Etigiand of her
d4eldin Ireland. or injure in
All aeythey mandesired was the removal of ner the privileges of inescsscivil
'ions
elh
tittles, and that they might stand in the same manner as
iftlni of her nlejesty's subjects under the laws and government
tae country. He said, therefore, that he thought it not very
elt"ahle thee there should be a total change of sentiment on
lert'ilbject. It was very true that some might look after pro-
description, but if one thing was more certain than
lter, it was this, that the insertion of those words in the
sve
er declaration Which was now the law of the land, had been
01,1'4 the very persons who were claiming a ivantiges under
stela`"' These words were suggested and desired to be In-
nY the Roman Catetilics themselves. Now he had stated
it;„' te ittstitutioe of the Church of England in Irelan, and
senien with the Church in this country, was a matter of
CPtet. which could not be departed from: But he would
)31.11.farthi`r, and say that there was no one pro-
-1011 in tee Constitution of the country, ford
Maintenance of which more solemn engsgernents
if t, been entered into, than for the preservation
4 ue Churcli of Enssland. The Roman Catholics themselves
eelsee, . •
kuin ta In the year 182 e, on the repeal of the Test Act, ape
In 1829, on the posing of the Roman Catholic Relief
site indeed, on every occasion on which a concession of sin-
ter, were ade withthe regard to that oint, theprivileges decleration
of
40,4e:sally wams—that persons claiming the
e Carbolic subjects under these Acts of Parliement,
tie e,i'ally made declaration of reservation to the property of
tee ',larch England in that country. So in Parliament
eli:lneiple had been uniformly acted upon to preserve the
Isser,eh of F.ngeand in Ireland., But he would go a little
er,
a He believed that the Noble Lord was further
11;f7,41 in some of the causes of discontent in Ireland.
here Duke of Wellington) saw, some years ago, a
tee Len from some Peers in Ireland, complaining of
Mit4.discontent prevailing in that country. Among the
eets a discontent, there was certainly the existence of
ths`,Ourch Establishment mentioned; but there were other
Ptse," discontent also. They mentioned that the relative
tertian of Members of Parliament. from Ireland and from
teiltid, referring to the population of lrtland and
e 4 411 d, was not what it ought to be. Did the Noble Lord
selto concede that ? They mentioned also that in the Core
ise-01 Act, the qualification had been raised higher than it
),,,been in the English Corporation Reform Act, when the
tier`Jty in Ireland was taken into consideration; they men-
tee also that the number of Irish Judges—of oma-
kelt Jedge3—were not sufficiently numerous on R
then Iris Ca h
Be (the Duke of Wellington) had always understood
tlis'" Judges were selected according to the best judgment of
;pantry, from those most capable of performing the duties of
iedieial offices. He had been told it had been so in Eng-
ilde!_led he did not see why it should not be in Ireland also.
tilte7° never been told that the Irish Judges were deficient in
Itetthlatlities which fitted them for their office. But these were
Ilee e Ns to be incorporated in an Act of Parliament, yet they
IN the grievances which were stated to exist by the Noble
ieb!nho had signed the petition, which he (the Duke of
Ae flisngtun) had seen in print, from Charlemont House.
6te",4,,°llght he could show, from what had passed hereto-
lleitt`nat the most ample concessions would not put an end to
et.ttee of all the mischief.. He meant agitatiors—a peetual
action
for the re'tion of titees,peal of the union ; and whether it wrepre the
o or church-rates. or any other measure of
C°Ment—no matter what the concession might be—
esset:zOght he could show simply, from what bad passed
additional
that it had been followed by additional agitation
estenleeitional discontent.--(`sear, hear.) A great measure of
kite!,neen was made in the year 1829, and what happened
me The law passed in the month of April, 1821, and in
eite'ec'e nth of June in the same year an agitator commenced
the ,be
in the county of Clare, calling on the people, now
th
eY had got religious liberty, to demand civil liberty and
al of the union. From Clare he went to Dublin, and in
ifketnenth of December, 1529, he commenced there a system
iseetation, which he continued throughout the year 1830, up
tern eery ill the following year, at different times, under dif-
kt circumstances, and in different parts of
kenintry, until a Noble Friend, whom he did
%ie'le in his place, issued a publication, by which he put an
est
tithes, ai' this description of agitation. Now, their Lordships
aft'serve thatthis fresh system of agitation upon the sub-
Noe repeal-of the church rates, and a repeal of the
NI, eeneamencetl on the very morrow of the passing
ere:ile Relief Bill. Well, then, soon after this cationpubi
leejoeml issued, an agitation was recommenced for the sus-
' titre c't tithes aril church rtes, and then the Government
ky- under the necessity of passing the Coercion Bill, which
eetsZele induced to do by a dispatch of Lord Wellesley, who
,4Nt.that he had invariably found a connexion between the
"itee:tiTi for the repeal and extinction of tithes, and popular
Asesennt, and aerariala outrage. Now, your Lordships will
'Potosi from th'ene facts, (and he hoped the Noble Earl
Itle ese •
,„,- lt too',, that the moment concessions of
for were made, agitation was recommenced
neste-me other object; perhaps for obtaining the
tlecitie! of parties who gave occasion for discontent, or for
e‘e toe'le population to commit agrarian outrage. After
eeidels i"'eien Bill of 1833, there was another passed in 1834,
wlted for a twelvemonth, and it was succeeded by a third,
letriZeies "'Passed in 1835, for a period of five years, tut which
eted in the year 1340. There was, he believed, some
weessation of agitation in the year a 1835 and 183 d, owing,
Sle; a ',
The agitatopposed, to some political arrangement which was
. 4 lee 2 London ;bt that apparent tranquilli did t last
leet, agitation was continued under diffty eeent fonroms, in
Its3B, 1839, and 1840. and in the latter year the monster
sings)ear
commenced, and they were continued to the end of
year 1840, through 1841 and 1842, and part of 1843. In o
nth of November of that year they were put down by a
4ite'fanation issued by the Lord Lieutenant. During
so 4 time there was no want of measures of conces
erel4 for the tithe arrangement was brought to a
hiltiete conclusion—the Relief Bill was passed, and the Cor-
,Aspk t,°ll Bill was passed ; and, in fact, ry measur was
1p1:4 Which could tend to the prosperity of Ireland; and
dement acted upon all these occasions, as if it were an
parliament, acting solely for the benefit of the Irish
But still the agitation continued, and monster meet-
-4s here assembled, which could only be got rid of by mill-
hitte,". Now, he entreated them to observe minutely this
ef concession. He did net mean to say that it was
11,'"' Concede on all these points, but he did say, that they
t„,3ot to concede on this occasion, when they were bound
tee'''Pact to avoid doing so—bound by compact to preserve
(Ileittlenritain the united Church of England and Ireland.—
,44 (Ilea,
He did not put this uestion of the preservation of
Latet:sltlreh of England upon gsuch high grounds as those
,74. CB Could have wished to have put it, but he might remind
L•
„Nt Lordships that under this establishment they enjoyed the
L'i see e of seeing the people entertain as strong a sense
e-gk'n, and as great a respect for religion, as existed in
teatitry in the world. They had, besides, the advan-
etlee'jt enjoying universal toleration • every system of
teleraied in . this country; a'nd, above- all, they had
te‘ntage of enjoying religious peace.—(Cheers.) nese
kihlte ree of the great Christian advantages which they de-
„NtteeLteene t.e existence of te Established Chuch, and he
thehtr Lordships noth
to run the risk ofr losing any
INT by adopting any measure of that description.—( Hear,
hlt was true, that, elthough they had religious peace,
Nserre still great politinidifferences of opinion upon the
eneee, the different reltious sects which existed in the
jist4, but this was the consequence of their constitutional
it toee• For the people of this country—every individual of
iAikuetrY had the privilege of considering and discussing
itts -,„l,tieti political power.—( Hear, hear.) Consequently
,Itttf",,ltlister opt. others might lead them, and each sect was
ee'leilre anxious to increase its political power, and the
0te455 that great rivalry existed amongst the
eetl pad Hear, hear.) But would concessions of arry',
it an end to this rivalry for political power?
would not : concede what they might the rivalry
ibm, still remain ; while, if they conceded what the
111,5er„1. Church demanded, he. was afraid they would no longer
iNkeeelous peace, or facilities for settling such matters as
e„rriage question in that House, as they had done some
I,httipit°' The same question could not be settled elsewhere.
ep, net be settled in Germany, France, or Spain, and he
1,17 d e-e that if they ear ctioned a Catholic establishment there
yith itso end to that religious peace and toleration without
kitdes-Ze Country could not exist for a single hour.—( Hear. )
tekniette circumstances, considering that they were bound
d
Lkseipact to maintain the United Church of Englandcla th' and considering the great advantages they derived
leere eeexistence of the of England, advantages which
4,tl°Yed alike by Catholics as well as Protestants, he
ii,llll rise their Lordships (by rejecting the motion) not to
kti to the supposition that they were inclined to enter-
-11•41Y such measures as those proposed by the Noble Earl.
IPRTESCUE concurred cordially in the views of his
tr'!ild, and he should certainly support the motion
leete heir Lordships. He gave a reluctant consent to the
rNj eltling of the Protection to Life Bill, but not from any
e‘t ~e",ee in the l'aw or its administrators, but because, after
illtse-"ernent of the Noble Earl opposite, of the amount of
ete tnraraitted in Ireland, he thought some strong measure
Nte,cessary for Its suppression. He considered. that,
ilet the existing circumstances of Ireland, it was their duty,
hittelY to grant pecuniary assistance for the relief of the
ui9tress, and pass severe laws for the detection and
eeelit of crimes, hut measures ought, without future de-
itkl4l;te, adopted, for the purpose of effectiug a real and per-
teste,lmprovement in the condition of that part of her
' by e'es, dominions. These were the only terms in the itd-
ts,-",tch pledg.edth. e House in any way, only
he thought it.
teem bad to reject it, because the Noble Earl who proposed.
lett pressed his opinion that a great reform was necessary in
li7t to_,n,shrnent of the church of Ireland. In that sentiment he
etl rulally concurred, and he agreed also with the Noble
Zoeat they would never have perfect contentment amongst
of Ireland until the Catholic Church was placed
"J tIW e satire footing as the Protestant.—(Cheers.) He
litk:iles 1,451 Considered a general distribution of land among all
it,hrki the country as one of its safeguards, and one of its
tletiseq: and without pretending for a moment to defend the
14to tiin-law League, he must say that great obligation was
i"a,ll for directing parties how to invest the products of
)044 ''try in small freeholds. ()f this general distribution
*4 hgreat want was felt in Ireland. He had been told,
eqh'e,tee dwnished to introduce a measure to extend the fran-
lik;idue". freeholders, that there was no such class. He
the irC",.leby was there not? There were numbers of per-
Vele emit country who expended as much in purchasing
44,did g"t as would enable them to obtain small freeholds.
%,'sy tenable
therefore, think that it arose from the want of
deenable them to become freeholders. He thought
tunictee-neernment ought to introduce some measure to facie
‘ee' le eePurehase of these small freeholds, and at the same
ter tee el) some of that money in the pockets of those which,
the etet tioeatsting law, now went to the attorneys.
nOUGHANI—There is a Bill of that nature bofbre
R °use
el1;1.41 P6it-r
14, kl to --- ESCUE would wish to see the measure ex-
eft 404 Ireland. He wished to see Ireland placed upon the
sing as England. The Noble Duke (the Duke of
I gt°n) had
rte.,said, the course of his speech delivered that.
the° 41%itat`all the concessions made to Ireland only produced
th,ll„.ord In!). He (Earl Forteseee) would beg to remind
kft44llit o;iPs that all concessions made to Ireland had been
lee: 935 i
t% previous agitation, and it was not to be wondered if
4 ,
,411Ing lano which had been set them, they would fail of
kill ha sam to 58 e line of conduct while any chance of success
%Pe them. He contended that if they had more con-
the: ee "e administration of the c )untry—if they were put
se , afro_ goal footin both in Church and State, they would
e %see, queue
sete eie put down agitation among those who, however
fill 01 the ere certainly not the less entitled to the considera-
ext ir Lordships. Having tried such measures to their
t ohly tent, and having found them not to answer, then and
'hard bpght the Government to adept coercive measures.
nattir.: bad Pt ea I-lAm would not have addressed their Lord-
h not been that the Noble Earl, who moved the
,4 et ; on in the course of 11;s speech made refer-
arteici--iiey O,t; two. matters. in which he felt, himself if
t'Goober's .L least )srafe3sionally bound to make one or
'41410 thence ns, alike injustice to himself, to the Government,
kith refeee2.lentry at large. First of all, he would ray that,
tete,. "c to the part of the Noble Earl's speech, whether
ice to the afflicting statements of the amount of dia.