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THE LORDS' DIVISIONS YESTERDAY.—
The following is a copy of the entry on the minutes of
the proceedings of the House of Lords, respecting the
divisions, yesterday morning, on the Local Courts' Ju
risdiction Bill, brought in by the LORD CHANCELLOR
Local Jurisdiction Bill.—Order of the day for 3a, and the
Lords summoned, read. Moved, that the Bill be now read
3a ; objected to ; and an amendment made to leave out (' now')
and insert (` this day six months'). After long debate, of-
fence being taken at some words spoken in the debate, moved
that the Standing Order No. 15 be read ; and the same
was read accordingly. Then the question was put, that
(` now') stand part of the motion. It was resolved in the
negative. Then the question was put, whether the words
(`this day six months') shall be there inserted? Contents
76; Not Contents, GS. A question arising, whether some
Lords had come into the House after the question was put,
not having heard the question put, the tellers were heard ; and
certain Lords declared that they had so come in by mistake;
and the numbers were reduced accordingly ; Contents 73 ;
Not Contents, 68. It was resolved in the affirmative; and
the Bill ordered to be read 3a on this day six months."

[lt is curious that in this entry the numbers of the first
division do not appear.)

In preparing the Act of Parliament for the
new Charter of the Bank of England, a deviation has
taken place from the spirit of Lord A LTHORP'S proposi-
tions to the Directors, which is a subject of serious com-
plaint with a portion of the moneyed interest. By the first
draught of the proposed Act it is not permitted even to
establish joint banks of deposit within 65 miles of London,
which is affirmed to be a perfectly gratuitous exclusion by
the Government against the interests of the public. The
Bank Directors in their correspondence only stipulate that
banks with more than six partners shall not be allowed to
circulate notes within that circle. The following is the
number of country towns having banking firms within 65
miles of London :-
6 towns, 60 to 65 miles from London 9 banks.
17 50 to 60 ditto ditto 32
8 40 to 50 ditto ditto 8
16 25 to 40 ditto ditto 20
13 under 25 ditto ditto 13

60 towns, having 82
Lord ALTHORY'S original proposition was to confine the
exclusive rights of the Back to within 25 miles of London,
which would have affected only 13 towns with 13 country
banks, whereas he now proposes to exclude 60 towns with
62 banks.

it is said that the Right Reverend turtle doves,
who went away in pairs, are five in number. Verily the
Bishops are an un-English race; and as they have dis-
played this new doctrine of secret voting, they will of
course advocate the Vote by Ballot when a Bill for that
puri)ose shall come to the Upper House. The English
Spiritual Peers unluckily cannot be cashiered or rusticated ;
hutwe think that what the Crown cannot do to relitve
them of their legislative duties, the people soon will.

LONDON,
THURSDAY EVENING, JULY 11, 1833.

We have heard, from what may be considered
good authority, that the French Government
have made a communication to our Ministry of
great importance, in the present state of Por-
tuguese affairs. So long as England deemed
it expedient to withhold her recognition of
Donna MARIA, France refrained from doing
so, in deference to our Government, and
a sincere disposition to act in concert with
England. But a circumstance has occurred
within the last few days which compels France,
however reluctantly, to act on her own account.
The fact of Marshal BOURMONT, a Carlist
General, having entered into the service of Don
MIGUEL, renders it impossible for the French
Government to look on the war in Portugal
with unconcern, the more so, as there is great
suspicion that the affair is connected with Car-
list plots in France. Louis PHILIP has, there-
fore, intimated to our Government that what was
hitherto a matter of expediency with him, has,
at length, become one of necessity, and that he
intends at once to recognise Donna MARIA
Queen of Portugal, de facto as well as de jztre.
In this determination he trusts that England will
join ; but whether she will or not, France has no
longer any alternative. This prompt decision
on the part of France will settle the pretensions
of the Usurper ; and we do hope that England
will see the necessity of acting in the same
spirit. Indeed the wonder is that the monster
MIGUEL should have been suffered to outrage
humanity so long.

Lord BROUGHAM, in the course of his
magnificent speech on the Local Courts Biil on
Tuesday, told the House of Lords that " he was
not there to flatter them—he neither gave nor
would he take flattery ; he would neither be its
victim nor its dispenser ; he would state the
plain truth, which, less palatable though it were,
was much fairer, and he told them plainly that
if this Bill were thrown out, it would in no
way whatever relax any efforts of his in the
cause of Law Reform ; and whoever expected
that it would damp or discourage him in the
prosecution of measures for the good of the
King's subjects, reckoned without his host."
The declaration which follows that sentence,
stating his chief motive in taking office to have
been the hope of effecting the reforms in the
law on which his mind had so long dwelt, must
now be read with melancholy by all who have
sympathized with him in his philanthropic feel-
ings for the victims of the law's delay, and
who now drink with him the bitter cup of disap-
pointment which the party spirit of the Tory
Lords have forced upon him. Nevertheless,
true to the declaration he made on Tuesday,
his Lordship, mortified but not discouraged,
defeated but not repulsed, still borne along by
his unquenchable ardour in the cause of the people,
last night gave notice that he should this day move
the second reading of the Chancery Regulation
Bill, the proposed alterations in it being com-
pleted. We wonder if the noble Conerva-
tives, who threw out the Local Courts Bill,
having about as much knowledge of the subject
as their coachmen (who, indeed, have pro-
bably more knowledge upon it from hav-
ing, possibly, been sufferers by the present
system) will also throw out this Bill. Perhaps
not, because they themselves suffer by
Chancery abuses; whereas, it was the poor
only who suffered by their rejection of the
Local Courts Bill. What will my Lords ELDON
and LYNDHURST say to the new Bill ? The
first for five and twenty years reigned in the
Court of Chancery with uncontrolled power. His
smallest motion for reforming its abuses would have
been at once complied with, but he preferred to
see grow around him abuses which have at length
made the name of what was miscalled a Court
of Equity, a by-word, expressive of injustice
and ruin. That atrocious monument of his
wavering imbecility—of his guilty negligence in
not insisting upon the abolition of the practices
against which all men cried shaine,theSuitors'Fund
kept growing under his eye without an attempt on
his part to stop the vexatious delays, the justice
denied, the ruin of fortunes, which, year after
year, added to the pile, till at his retirement it
showed the enormous sum of nearly 40,000,0001.
Forty millions ! What a mass of wrongs are sum-
med up in those two words. Lord LYNDHURST
did show a disposition to cleanse the Augean
stable in whose filth his predecessor had
wallowed ; but his attempts had about as much
chance of ultimately attaining a useful result, as
Captain PARRY would have had of finding a
north-west passage by melting the Polar ice in
pint-pots. They have both the good fortune—

or, perhaps, looking to their feelings, we should
say, ill fortune—to have lived long enough to
see a man take their place, who, instead of
lamenting the evils by which he is surrounded
with the tears of dotage, or checking them
with an infant's feeble touch, grasps them with
the hand of a giant, and promises, if not
to uproot, so to shake them as to render
future vegetation impossible. It remains
to be seen whether the feelings which
actuated the two Noble and Learned Lords in
getting up a party opposition to the Local
Courts Bill, will carry them so far as to refuse
the CHANCELLOR the power of putting an end to
some of the abuses they so long tolerated—if
they did not sanction.

We have reason to believe that there is no
truth in the report of MiGum.'s fleet being at
sea. It is true that the persons on board the
City of Waterford did see some vessels in shore
of them ; but the distance was too great and the
weather too hazy for them to discern exactly the
character of the vessels.

We beg to ask his Grace of WELLINGTON,
the Noble Earl of ABERDEEN, my Lord BE-
RESFORD, and other Lords of the same stamp,
on what night they propose to bring forward a
motion complaining of the conduct of his Ma-
jesty's Ministers, in permitting Mr. SAMPAYO
and other individuals, agents of the tyrant of
Portugal, to purchase steamers, enlist officers
and seamen, and make shipments of stores and
every materiel de guerre for the account of their
master, Don MIGUEL ?

The seamen crimped into the service at Ply-
mouth and Portsmouth, left the steamer, George
the Fourth, on the eve of her departure, with
Marshal de BoultmoNT on board, swearing they
were deceived, and would never fight against
the Infant QUEEN and Portuguese liberty ; and
we have no doubt the two hundred men who
have been procured under similar false pretences
in the river, to be embarked on board the
United Kingdom in the course of this
week, will follow the noble example set
them in the western parts, and equally dis-
appoint Mr. or Lieutenant ELLIOTT, alias
JONES—as well as the Portuguese Consul-
General—or whoever else may be the principal
agent in this degrading business, for degrading
it is that any British subject should be found
capable of carrying arms against a State fighting
for her liberty—her constitutional charter—and
against a Tyrant, pronounced even by his
greatest Tory friends to be every thing that is
vile and despicable.

We have seen letters from Lisbon of a recent
date, which state that in consequence of the
Constitutional movement in the Algarves, and
the general improvement in the prospects of
Don PEDRO, orders had been sent by the
Usurper to the commandant of Elvas to prepare
for a reinforcement of the garrison, and arrange-
ments had been made for supplying that im-
portant fortress with every thing necessary for a
continued occupation. Several chests, said to
contain valuables belonging to Don MIGUEL,
had already arrived there, and others were ex-
pected. It appears to be the intention of the
Usurper, in the event of his losing possession of
the capital, to retire to Elvas, and make it the
seat of his government. As this fortress
is close to Spain, he would have oppor-
tunities of communicating with the Spanish
authorities, or those influential persons
in Spain who are interested in support-
ing him, and it is not improbable that in such
case, Don CARLOS would accompany him, as
he would then be at hand to take advantage of
any demonstration by his partisans in Spain.
Situated as Elvas is, MlGutsr, would be en-
abled to defy the power of the Constitutionalists,
unless foreign interference should be used to dis-
lodge him. The inhabitants are nearly all
Miguelites, as was proved by the various at-
tempts which they made to overpower the garri-
son during the rebellion of CHAVES. We
cannot suppose, however, that our Government,
having once recognised the Government of
Donna MARIA, will permit the Usurper to re-
main in Portugal for the purpose of keeping up
civil war in that country.

It is a fact that the agents of the usurper of
Portugal have purchased the steamers George
Me Fourth and United Kingdom, and reports
were yesterday current, on the Royal Exchange,
that they were in treaty for a third, to convey
not only various stores and ammunition, but also
seamen and officers, for MIGUEL's fleet. Now as
we are not sufficiently learned on the subject of the
law, we beg to ask, whether these vessels, actu-
ally and bona fide purchased, nay paid for, or
security given for the payment, can legally leave
their country under British colours ; and whe-
ther, if met with at sea, by the fleet or cruisers
of Don PEDRO, they may not be legally cap-
tured ? It may be the case, that in the sale of
the vessels, it is conditioned to deliver them in
Portugal, or at some fixed point ; but as this is
a mere colourable part of the transaction, we
confess our opinion is in favour of the legality
of the captures, should it take place.

The comparative uselessness of the Bank of
England to productive industry is as little known
as the operation of its power of expanding and
contracting the currency which is again to be
conferred upon it, or the consequences of making
bank notes a legal tender in the way proposed
by the Bill brought in by the CHANCELLOR of
the EXCHEQUER.

The average amount of Bills on hand dis-
counted by the Bank last year, appears, from an
account furnished by itself, to have been only
1,588,6001., with a circulation then amounting
to about 18,000,0001. Now we know there are
few country bankers whose circulation amounts
to 1,800,0001., and yet there are some of them
whose average discounts on hand exceed
18,000,0001.--that is, country bankers, with an
issue ten times less than the issue of the Bank
of England, assist productive industry ten times
more than this over-issuing establishment.
We know further, that the total amount of
bills constantly on hand, discounted by country
hankers, is not less, perhaps, than 300,000,0001.,
while the whole circulation of all the country
bankers is less than one half of the circulation
of the Bank of England—that is, with a circu-
lation less than one-half of the circulation of the
Bank of England, country bankers do ten
times more for productive industry than this
monopolizing Corporation.
The discounts of the Bank of England have
diminished since the year 1810, when their ave-
rage amount on hand was 20,070,6001. The

Bank avoids discounting, because notes to au
amount equal to the bills discounted come
back upon it, as these bills become due. But
it delights to purchase exchequer bills, and to
make such like investments, because the notes
so issued do not come back upon the Bank, but
go into deposit with bankers in the metropolis,
who thus have an interest in the over-issues of
the Bank, because an increase of its issues in-
creases their deposits, while the interests of the
Bank and of metropolitan bankers are thus op-
posed to the interests of the country at large.
The Ministry of the present day have ven-
tured upon a perilous experiment. When the
country shall again suffer, as it has suffered,
through the over-issues of the bank of England,
it will call to mind that, in the year 1826,
the late Lord LIVERPOOL and the present
Lord RIPON thus wrote to the Directors
of the Bank :—" With respect to the extension
" of the term of their exclusive privileges in
" the metropolis and its neighbourhood, it is
" obvious from what passed before, that Parlia-
" ment will never agree to it. Such privileges
" are out of fashion, and what expectation can
" the Bank, under present circumstances, enter-
" tam that theirs will be renewed. But there is
" no reason why the Bank should look to this
" consequence with dismay. They will remain
" a chartered corporation for carrying on the
" business of banking. In that character, they
" will, we trust, always continue to be the sole
" Banker of the State ; and with these advan-
" tages, so long as they conduct their affairs
" wisely and prudently, they always must be
" the great centre of banking and circulation."
The intimation thus given to the Bank by the
Ministry of 1826, the present Ministry have set
at nought. They not only proposed to continue
the exclusive privileges of the Bank in the metro-
polis and its neighbourhood, but to extend these
privileges all over England, and they would have
succeeded if the country bankers had not roused
the good sense of the country in support of its
interests. We repeat, the present Ministry have
ventured upon a perilous experiment. Public opi-
nion, in the long run, never fails to come right. It
was ❑ot to have been expected that any
Mini--
try, after the declaration of the Ministry of 1826,
would have supported any monopoly ; but, least
of all, was it to have been expected from the pre-
sent Ministers, that they would not only sup-
port, but extend, the most mischievous monopoly
that ever existed. When public opinion shall
become right, of what avail will be the support
of the Bank of England, or of metropolitan
bankers ? The Ministry will then find it of less
use to them, than the Bank of England is now
to productive industry.

Mr. O'CONNELL has postponed, until Tues-
day next, his motion in the House of Com-
mons, that it is expedient to establish Courts of
Local Jurisdiction. This postponement is to
the day after the second reading of the Irish
Church Bill in the House of Lords.

We perceive by a Parliamentary return made
to the House of Commons, on the motion of
Mr. BALFOUR, that 40,4341. remain due by
about 100 Irish distillers under the Act 4 Geo.
IV. cap. 94., and about 1,8231. for sums due
under the Ist Will. IV. cap. 49 ; whilst it ap-
pears, by a similar return from Scotland, that
the distillers of that country have paid up all
demandable of them under the two above men-
tioned Acts. This must put these Scotch dis-
tillers in an unfair position ; but we trust that
it is not the result of greater severity being
practised towards them than towards the
Irish distillers, or of improper indulgence being
shown to the latter. The same measure of
justice should be dealt out to both parties.

The Journal des Debats, of Monday, con-
tains an article which appears to have produced
some sensation in the political circles at Paris,
and which hints that the French Government is
disposed to treat as an act of invasion, any
attempt made by Austrian or Prussian troops
to occupy any of the minor States of the Con-
federation, and appeals to the treaty of Vienna
for the maintenance of the independence of each
State.

FRENCH FUNDS.—PARIS, Aux 9.
Five per Cents., 10If. 25c. 30c. 20c.
Four per Cents., 941. 50c.
Three per Cents., 77f. 40c. 45c. 30c.
Rente de Naples, 92f. Isc. 921.
Roman Five per Cents., 91%.
Rente d'Espagne, Five per Cents., 154 %.
Rente d'Espagne, Three per Cents., 45% k
Royal Spanish Loan, 8887%.
Rente Perpet. d'Espagne, Five per Cents , 74 733% %
Belgic Loan, 1831, 944.

EXCHANGE ON LONDON.
One month, paper, 26f. 55c. ; money, 25f. 50c.
Three months, paper, 25f. 55c. ; money, 25f. 50c.
—Cours Authentique.

A letter has been received from a gentleman,
who had been banished to Castro Marim, and
liberated, with others, by the expedition under
the Duke of TERCEIRA, stating that it was
expected the Duke would enter Beja, the
capital of Alemtejo, on the Ist of this month.
The possession of this city would be equivalent
to the command of the whole province.

Yesterday forenoon there was a meeting of
Opposition Lords, at the Duke of WELLINGTON'S house,
Piccadilly, among whom were the Duke of BUCKINGHAM,
some other Noble Lords, and two spiritual Peers, all of
whom voted against the Local Courts Jurisdiction Bill.
The party continued i❑ deliberation till past one o'clock,
and separated a short time before the KING arrived in
town from Windsor, to hold a levee at St. James's Palace.
Much importance was attached to the meeting at Apsley-
house, and the general inference was that it related to the
plan which it was roost advisable to pursue by the party,
with respect to the Church Temporalities Bill.
Yesterday an old gentleman, who had been
receiving a considerable dividend at the Bank, and who
had taken some pains to stow away carefully his roll of
notes, thought, as he was leaving the office door, he
would see whether his roll was perfectly safe. To his
consternation he found his pocket empty; the poor old
gentleman's heart began to flutter—an alarm of thieves
the police officers came rushing round him—it was ascer-
tained no thieves had been in the office—the room was
searched—and, after all, the old gentleman discovered the
precious roll stuffed in between his waistband and slur',
instead of into his pocket.
In this port the ship-builders are at present
very busy ; and in anticipation of the opening up of the
East India monopoly, a couple of large vessels intended
for the China trade, may just now be seen on the stocks.
The timbers of one of these have been complettly laid;
and it is expected she will, when finished, be as beautiful
a vessel as ever left the Clyde.—Greenock Intelligencer.
A paragraph in the Journal du Commerce of
Sunday last, announces a very alarming circumstance
respecting Mr. HOPE, the banker, of Amsterdam, who
had for a long period resided in Paris. It appears that
about ten days since he won at FRASCATI'S, Rue Riche.
lieu, a sum of 200,000 francs (8,0001.), with which he
left for his residence at one o'clock in the morning, and
has not since been heard of.
IGNORANT IMPERTINENCE.—The Inde-
pendents have recently erected a new chapel at Cirencester.
Earl Bathurst gave them the ground, and other church-
men presented donations of 501., 20/., &c. &c. This
liberality excited the envy of a stupid bigot, in the shape
and guise of a Parson, in the neighbourhood, who repre-
sented their liberality as " Treachery," " the sin of
schism," and such worn-out stuff of the by-gone age.
Alas,poor-fellow he is too late ! Fire and faggot is ❑o
longer at the command of intolerant bigots. —Stamjin d
News.

I MPER IA I,IIA MA'AM EN
THIS DAY, THURSDAY, JULY 11.

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Mr. D. B
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Committee.
The SPEAKER took his seat at a quarter past twelve, inspect the
about sixty Members were present. the Bill.
OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH.
_„‘ Lord ON
On the motion of Mr. PETER, the debate upon the
daSenigi;
reading of the Bill for the better observance of the Sahrulf
forciemxo ptmrrampoovpuiretrdbteieltsinehenatcl
was resumed.
Mr. A. JOHNSTONE rose to speak, but he was le Committee,
rupted by
Mr. LITTLETON, who said that he understood the dly.;
etcli.olaemrott,imt..heietentyldatpihrptli,
sion upon the Irish Grand Juries Bill was fixed for this "Jil
asestnhdsaitt,sidnua.yprTit
ing, and therefore he would feel obliged to the Hon. Blel,
ntoownsmitiwttoeeu,k
if he would postpone the discussion on the Sabbath ObserVY
hPreaacrtiwcahbalteh
Bill.
ri the Select C
Mr. PETER consented to postpone it until next Tuen
twhiethapipot ?intr,
to which day it was adjourned. Mr. H. G
IRISH GRAND JURIES BILL.
On the motion of Mr. LITTLETON, the order of the
the further consideration of the report on this Bill was
and it was ordered to be re-committed to a Committee of v',lo fotit*hnsmeAtithorAe.plinore.:ol:bei
whole House.
The SPEAKER then put the question, that he do leave nlittee had
chair. I,Pen the
Major BEAUCLERK wished to put a question to the 14 of the
Lord opposite (Duncannon) which he had been requested ,; He was not
many of his constituents to put ; it was, whether the roe.
►
Lord would permit a more free passage for the public to', use of delay
James's Park by Story's Gate ; he meant that persons shy'
pass through in hackney coaches and cabriolets, but of cell°,
he did not include carts and waggons ?
Lord DUNCANNON said, he knew that from the gr:' Hon. Memb4
number of persons in that part of the metropolis, and 1'
great intercourse with Pimlico, it was highly desirable that' Mr. GRA
more free communication should be made by way of Birdedlis
walk. He had taken his Majesty's pleasure respecting Mr, GT(
and his Majesty had been pleased to signify
ci;
command that arrangements should be made to
that object into effect.—(Hear, hear.) It was intended to
erected from Story's gate, where the temporary wooden rad, un.reins as a
now was, and to allow all carriages to pass that way. Fr°, d. Lord Du]
the narrowness of the road, however, waggons, carts, 001: old not rep',
buses, and stage coaches, would be excluded from Wei" -PPesite, it •
that way.
Colonel CONOLLY rose and expressed his hope, that an' gr. serge.
the strong desire manifested by the Irish Members, and en the Bill b'
great portion of the Committee, his Majesty's Gover. for from
ment would consent to postpone the Irish Grad :er 1311b5a._
Juries Bill to next session.—(Hear.) At present it 1" -Peration o
such a crude measure that if it were pressed forward, it we" tenants, ash.
carry with it nothing but the inconveniences of change with: t_l4 Hon. aor
producing any benefit. He hoped his Majesty's Governe the
would show some difference to an opinion so strongly 1: in: approve,
pressed respecting the Bill, and would for the pres',L,Cri who
with it and bring forward a well-digested mean The Grand
next session. At present he believed the measulj Jo e Prin,;,h
to be utterly impracticable, was partial in its enactments,'" "oic
,e
.
did not go to the root of the evil. The Irish Members vi:01
only desirous of forwarding the intentions of Ministers, /..i:a"lnprmi,4
their opinion was entitled to some consideration. .„' would
uubl* • a"
Mr. RUTHVEN hoped the Noble Lord opposite would 0, it ni in an
take the opinions of the Hon. and Gallant Officer as those oft' ePmed and 4,
whole of the Irish Memberstrusted that the Bill would i
proceeded with, so that any amendments which it was capable ,s 'olntsit
might be introduced. The present rotten system ought net' rnaLn amend
be suffered to continue any longer, for it was the greatest clay" h., a cess.
that Ireland had. Although some parts of the Bill were obi,e'r-s""e influx
tionable, yet many portions of it were exceedingly beneficial' r th,
particularly that part which did away with the necessity 0-, -'r• Ltpii
very useless and shameful oaths. o°l3nseervictred th
Lord DUNCANNON said he thought it would be highly 1- See_ -.on
proper in him to withdraw the Bill, after it had been Oihat'otary for
long before the House. It was before the House last sessio*two, could
and was then printed and sent to Ireland, and soon after it yet
„rilain hi
commencement of this session it was again introduced by b'
Right Hon. Friend the now Colonial Secretary (Mr. Stanleihad cons this
It had also been two months before the Committee, and h • Mr lilted
had as much discussion as any Bill that was ever intl.'', nnit " Glivy
duced. He would detail a few of the alterations whiv th ee'
the Bill would effect ; it would associate those who paid thie Zeiktittri
taxes with the Judges of the Petty Sessions, and thereby /4,.er,_a few
them an interest in all works to be performed; it would, inoort w4S,L
the appointment of surveyors in each county in Ireland, g;ihi these
those who paid the rates an assurance that the money raj Shape
was not more than was required ; by compelling all puhP:Jitr er some
works to be done by contract and open tender, it would a550,.1). N
the tax payer that such works were performed at the lovo': The r
expense. One of the great complaints against the present sit; I For th
tern was, that all the business of the county was done by it► Again
Grand Jury, with closed doors, in their room; but the preset
Bill would compel it to be done in future in open Court, a!wi
in presence of the public. There were other very benefit
alterations to which the Noble Lord alluded, and he though:
they would effect a very great improvement on the preselil
system. He did not say that some of the clauses might 1101, I
be capable of yet further improvement, and if so, such alter.' I
tions as might be necessary could be made in the Committee• .
An HON. MEMBER was of opinion that the subject could ne.
be so considered in the present Session as to be made peril I
nently effective. It had better be postponed until the nea4 I
Session, when the Committee might be re.appointed, an,
then report generally. His opposition was neither offere.
with an intention of being vexatious or troublesome; but De
must persist in his opinion, and should move that the further
consideration of the report be taken that day six months.
Another HON. MEMBER considered that time enough bad
already been afforded to the consideration of the subject.
Mr. O'CONNELL said he should support the motion for
postponement. It must be evident to the House, he said,
that the opposition to the Bill did not arise from party-feelillgs •
for those who differed most on other subjects, were united le
opinion upon that.—(Hear.) He first objected to the
clause which levied a compensation per centage, bi
which England would be blinded as to the amour
,
of that taxation levied in Ireland. By this clause, gran'
juries would be obliged to pass the per centage upon oath, al.
though they did not agree with the necessity for its applicatioa,
and had no power over its expenditure. The amount of al
national expenditure would be concealed from the people, whil°
the grand jury, being the only visible machinery, would have to
undergo the excited prejudice of the people, and bear the whole
onus of discontent. They would in fact, be looked upon a•
oppressors.—(Hear, hear.) If public works were necessary
they should be so carried on as not to tarnish the names Of
character of the grand juries. It should be seen, too, 1400'
much of the cost of these works ought to be borne by the
public purse, and how much by the agriculturists, for it was
upon the latter body the expense would now be thrown ;and
whatever opinion might be entertained of the distress or PO;
sperity of other interests, the Committee on Agriculture ha',
had sufficient proofs of the distress of the agriculturists 0°
Ireland —(Hear.) Part of the Bill contained an excelled
principle—that presentments should not be given to favourite°
of the Grand Jury. No one would be in favour of the Pre*
sent system, by which the favourites of the Grand Jury we
fattened.—(Hear.) He, himself, knew two families who had
made fortunes, and purchased estates out of their jobs in
road-making.: He wished that the good principle of preventing
the presentments being given to favourites of the Grand JOY,
might be brought fairly into play, for which purpose there
must be some modifications, and for that purpose he would al°2
support the postponement. He condemned the way in which •
a great constitutional principle was treated—that of no Ma°
being taxed without his own consent—and that of no Ilia°,
being permitted to tax others without their consent.—(Hear4:
Again, it was a complete delusion to say the tenant should nub
pay the cess—that tenants from year to year should not Pal
the cess. If they did not, what would be the consequence ?
Why they would get notice to q
-U it
--(siear)—and thus this very
Act of Parliament would be another that would operate to in-
crease the uncertainty of tenantry in Ireland, which was the
great cause of all the evils and disturbances in Ireland. Faint
lies could subsist only by having land, and the more the tenure
and occupation was made uncertain, the more would a principle
be produced pregnant with mischief. The Secretary for Ire-
land would, no doubt, in the vacation, spend a great deal of hie
time in Ireland, and he would then, with the assistance of a
Noble Lord (Duncannon), who, he understood, patronized the
Bill, and whose assistance to him would be invaluable, have
the advantage of making himself master of all the facts ; be
would have the advantage of being ready by the next Se"
sion with a Bill of more extent, and one more efficaciera•
He certainly should not consider any Bill efficacious that
did not separate the compulsory principle from the principle
of real taxation ; and, in the next place, that did not intro'
duce, not by disguise—not in a kind of collateral view—hilt
directly, emphatically, and practically, the principle of repre;
sentation going with taxation. On these grounds he should
support the motion, by delaying the Bill.
Mr. THOS. WALLACE thought the postponement for
one year could do very little, if any harm at all.
Mr. LITTLETON would not give any peremptory opinion
upon the subject, but having been a Member of that House for
several years, he must confess that he thought there was e
necessity existing for the adoption of some new measure
the subject. Looking at the present measure with an English(
eye, it appeared to him to be founded on principles worthy e
recognition.—(Hear, hear.) The principle of taking the power°
from the grand jury, which they now enjoyed, and the
conducting of the business in open court, was of such
importance that he thought if expedient that the House
should allow the Bill to go into Committee.—(Hear.) In hie
opinion the most important part of the Bill was that whiehs.
would let in the light of day upon the proceedings °'
Grand Juries—(Hear)—no course being, in his opinion, better
than allowing their whole proceedings to be opened to the
public eye. The point which had been adverted to by tbie
Honourable Member for Dublin, that of allowing Oral'
Juries to have some control, appeared to him to be
a principle to be well worthy of consideration at a future tin3e;
He would not pledge the Government to any precise mode
of
proceeding upon that point, thinking that that was a branch
of the subject that ought to be disposed of separately.
(Hear, hear.) In conclusion, the Right Hon. Gentleinan.l
hoped that the House would not object to allowing the 1312,
to go through a Committee, in order that its principles Mir
be well understood.
proceeded. dSeHd
.EI LHeobrjeescitsetdedt ot
ht
eh eßpirliln
bciecplaeu
soen
itw hwiacsh
neroatnfdoujuordl:
upon a broad principle.
Lord DUNCANNON explained.
Mr. FINN was quite sure that the Bill had been drawn uP
with an intention to do good, but he would implore the Olc
vernment to give time to the Irish Members to consult the!
constituents, so that they might come to a proper and satisfau,
tory conclusion.
Lord EBRINGTON said it would be well that the Bill

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Mould go into Committee, in order that its details might be
considered.
Mr. CH APMAN trusted that the Bill would be postponed
till the next session.
Mr. D. BROWNE was anxious that the Bill should go into
Committee. He thought the appointment of surveyors to
inspect the roads in Ireland was a most excellent principle of
the Bill.

Lord OXMANTOWN felt bound to oppose the Bill going
into Committee. The Bill was brought forward now under
extraordinary circumstances; it was brought in professedly to
improve the Grand Jury system—it was referred to the Select
Committee, and after it had been there 17 or 18 days, the
Committee had come to the unanimous determination to re-
commend that the Bill should be withdrawn for the present
session. The Noble Lord (Duncannon), said if it went into a
Committee, alterations could be introduced ;but how
Practicable so to alter a Bill as to make it practicable, after
the Select Committee had declared that they could do nothing
With it ?
Mr. H. GRATTAN said, when the Bill was first introduced,
and its principles explained by the Right Hon. Gentleman,
now Secretary for the Colonies, the Hon. and Learned Member
for Dublin expressed his concurrence in them.—(No, no,
fromeer Mr. O'Connell.) He understood that it was so. How_
ever, appeared that after two months the Select Corn-
s: ittee, had been unable to come to any conclusion
pon the Bill, although they had all the working
of
the
e present system before them—(Mr. O'Connell—No, no.)
1-1 was not a Member of the Committee, but he understood
that they had all the information before them. He saw no
use of delayin the Bill, if any portion of it could be adopted
now it would dgo great ood, particularly that part relating to
the aPPnintment of surveyors.
. Mr. 0
Hon. me'nieb°NNELL wished to say, in explanation, that the
the Br°
hear ,er HELL
(Mr. Grattan) was not in the House to
s, and what ne (At
,ble WI Mr. GRA„, r. O'Connell) said.
, on the
Bircicd b' .AN referred to what had been previously said
g Mr fpc Y the Hon. Member for Dublin.
pectin ,
.1. House durtn'lN LL--If the Hon. Member had been in the
;toy
cot that da g the time that he (Mr. O'Connell) had been
Y sPeakin to II the to he had introduced,
he would have found that on every one of
ided
den rail° timents as wh d introduced, he had expressed the same gen-
-100 Lord n,,, en he previously spoke on the subject.
Y• 1# did CAN
irts, onl not re,, NON begged it to be understood, that if he
a __al pposi,_ Yto the observations made by Hon. Members
pa" n it was only because he could not claim the prig
of doi
that Of Mr. gern g so.—(Hear, hear.)
and V' ocn the Big FEB RIN regretted that the Select Committee
s Govef, ceived froth had not received the advantage it might have re-
al GOP for 1311blin the advice and experience of the Hon. Member
(Hear, hear.) He did not admit that the
ent it 0° °Peratiou
it
wool tenants of the Bill would lead to any nomination of two or three
e witbor His 1/01.4. bad been described by the Hon. Member forg Dublin.
verintoi to the i 3", and Learned Friend the Member for Dublin objected
onglco He
'TP r 111, but why did he suggest some improvement in it?
y ov
eg Man ed of the principle, and so indeed must every
In Pres hen kne
w any thing of the system on which
Tripod, The pri„ Jury was carried on in Ireland.—(Hear.)
of Justice. -r'Ple of this Bill was a principle of economy and
rents,
we;4 grand inr_lt separated the fiscal from the judicial duties of the
hers
osi great invurars, and which, in his judgment, was an exceedingly
stets,
woUld ve.nient. These were the principle features in the Bill.
le assist his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for
would
hoped and
tany practical improvements of the details ; but he
hose of 01
I would°. • Mr. ~,Insted that the Bill would not be thrown out.
1 Into c_'II2GERALD wished that the Bill should go
capabw unum
ttec when if ,no once else did, he would move
ight not
.4 Make urnent, that none but baronial magistrates should
stest env, tb cess. and t.
hat the people should not be overpowered
rare csblei e Influx
requently
th of magistrates from other districts, as was now
benefico"
cessitY c Mr. Ltp:_caee•
nlsidero,, '"au)?' would only mention as one reason why he
'or oserrtt-.7:n t the Bill should not pass this session, was an
highly Beorst, un that had fallen from the Right Honourable
1 been .-11,bat he for Ireland
himself.—(Hear, hear.) He had stated
;t sessieeity e could
to as cella. look at this Bill only with an English eye, and it
after yet
0, In he could notlook at it with any experience he had
,ced by ived from Ireland. He would therefore recommend
. Stanleijr,had—i oh this
ground, to wait until he had had experience, and
and Dr' e°llault
.ntre ,
tce cebed persons well informed on this subject.
er
„,..WYER WOW(' vote for the Bill going into Com-
ma Whitothe erLie agreed with the Hon. Member for Dublin, that
paid
•fl After tors ought to be elected.
n•ebuyidiPei, Art I;4l,tese words from Mr. AGLIONBY,
would,
girirt this 13'1'1 KER called upon the English merchants to sup.
the alts 1, in order that they might give something tangible
ley Pe of
p* good to Ireland this session.
all plol4l`itzsi..._ Borne Anther observations from Mr. O'Connell, Mr.
uld aasnessVided 'wn, Mr. Barron, and Lord Duncannon, the House di_
he low • • The numbers were as follow :
'esent 634'1 For the motion
,ne by the Against it
45
Majority
Pt
33
he preset
'ourt ei The House accordingly went into Committee pro forma
,
benetic._, r' tEnNAL in the Chair). Some clauses were considered,
e thour e Chairman reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again
e present! t4orrow.
4 „. •
night n' a °HEIL gave notice, that he would move that it
ch altar I instruction to the Committee that the grand juries be
asmittee.,
could nel
le peen's;
the nek
nted, anti
er offered
e; but De
se turthel
ionths.
High bad
otion farl
, he said, I
y-feelillol
united Di
to t,De
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stage, 1"
amount
e, gran,"
oath, a
plicati°"
sit of ail°
WiliisS
d have to
the Who!e I
upon
necessael
names of
00, 1100;
se by
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turista e'
excellent
avouritee
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who had
jobs 01
reventia
and JOY*
me thee
could aliC
in which
no mat'
no nisi
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Th°n—the notion of Mr. GODSON,
e 1-I(4zse 111'oceeded. to the further consideration of the
irtts r"e
Letters Patent Bill, when several verbal amend-
N. be rea: agt!ed to, and the Bill ordered to be engrossed.
It being three o third time to-morrow.
'clock the Speaker left the Chair.
, _

LON-`'‘°l‘4hnx,
SESSIONS.-(THIS DAY.)

ANG,, ...-_____...............—__
This morning, at 10 o'clock, the
itnWl—gerirhel3riLtlNDE R.
—ffi', and several Aldermen, met pursuant to a
Pby „"8 which had been improperly issued, in order to state
Th°eSession could be held.
and Theme
.were gaolers, prisoners, and witnesses, on the one
iqui;i;g barristers, jurors, and lawyers on the other, anxiously
airing
~,,,_! Why, in this season of blunders, such an one should
1,11-,v erred in the City of London.
lailey "Planation was, that one of the officers in the Old
Wt, iu,Court, rnade an' improper proclamation on Tuesday
Ther Which the several summoning officers had acted.
hoary tact Was that it had, from time immemorial been cue l' intei,° hold the London Adjourned Sessions on the next
44ietsetelssijtetniningt day between that and the termination of the Old
ate
Owing to some irregularity at Clerkenwe , b n°f Oyer and Terminer and Gaol Delivery of New-
Mr.tlatelY been adjourned, and hence arose the mistake.
?term prgee, the Governor of the Compter said, that he had
tpecterisoners in custody upon trivial charges, and they
The Ittand were anxious for their trial.
rejudicetie,ostnEit said, that persons in custody should not blde
e brought°Y allY mistake which had occurred, they shoued Itollether down in order either that they might be dischargate
,euThruieet:toeavt.or suffered to depart, upon entering into moderate
.xion e—
.4egstons cannot possibly take place before the
41wIlll the end, of the next week.

-____--.......yere
G°VERNUENT COLLECTION OF TITHES,
e'f,,11•11) ......A return of all sums collected by the Go.venrno-f
tit. under the provisions of the Act of last session it 'anent entitled,
Tithes i,
cert " An Actiatnodf,acainlidtaftoe, theho RReecloievferoyf Clergy o f th ea 'Els Established hiend Ireland,
"easurrr has knowledge
~„talrnann,iisst,it so far as the Vice-
. thereof •
the x, s. (I.
'')ral.d. into the Exchequer by ,
`4ncentent ~.,,s °f Excise, from thel c
5,747 13 4%
Ito ditto . the Act to 27th June, .."
tilicitor by William Kemmis, Crown
6,364 12 11
bto „ ...
204 5 3%
ditto by stuidry persons
£12,316 11 6%
Vice. T°talpaid into the Exchequer
hi: i asurer's Office
1-'4l Ca:tles June 27, 1833.
'l'6 b,JOHN SMITH.
ki., ," 'varvvick and Liverpool Committees have
iip.eu leave to sit on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays,
[ ten
.14, twelve and three.
MAJESTY'S SHIP
Ittt ON BOARD HIS
kk Jostk..—The town of Dcvonlr) was thrown into
between two and
greatest alarm yesterday
4e •° clock, in consequence morning,of
.the ringing of the fire
41 the Dockyard, and the firing of distress guns from
4dilliral's ship, &c,, laying off the obelisk, Mount
(:uillhe at tlentrance of Hamoaze. The cause turned
'to he ;hat, 'be some means which have not yet been
krtairit, the idmirap„hip, one of the finest first-rates
t4l.
nay
took fire on the middle deck forward, andd
Itch soon attained a very considerable height, and agoo
ti of apprehension for her safety was at first entertained.
'e active exertions however, of the officers and men on
4: 4rd, and assistance from the Dockyard, succeeded. after
Nti. in getting the fire under.— WesternLumznary.
ON'S OF STEVENS, HETHER-
b Toles APPRENTICE, FOR SELLING SEDITIOUs Pun-
eAhTt",•--•lndictrrients were laid, and true bills foundN
rr poremsent Eessions, against HENRY HETIIERINGTO
Oa 11. 'As `S scions
his apprentice, charging themb
R ich,asa ce.rtain unstamped publication,. in a, numvee
ti'ing th printed a letter containing sedit.rous langu g ,
ife,
whi e working classes to carry a particular sort of
eh was described, and which would answer
lituUrd e either of cutting bread and cheese, or, it way
f
M Si•cof "eing turned against the police in case o
ke • k -"", the
apprentice, was on Tuesday evening
Illi into custody one
vErr,. two of the offi Judge's varrant, by STEVENS and
of the Bow-street establish-
%) at his residence N ce"
t street, Holborn,
establish-
Some • ' 0. 13, hingsga e-
tern the privy disclosures took place yester-
y ''.l."'Y Council, in the case of the Deccan prize
, which will lead to much discussion hereafter.
te:l4„_aY venture to say this much now, that it will be
t 4 4rY for the Duke of Wellington to explain how he
iirl!o write a letter containing a statement with respect
,I.' of the claimants, and at a subsequent period another
t,t,Of the very srme date, contradictory of that state-
(l4 t, Grace tatmi not have been aware, when he
il tQe second letter period subsequent to its date,that
„Olt had been preserved ; but making every allowance
its
wint of memory of his Grace, how will be ex-
tt the • •
s ti, circumstance th it the statements in the two
• 4tedianaetrically opposed to each other ?

opiniol,
-louse for
re was a t
asure 011 t
i English
worthy of
se power°
and the i
of such
House 1.
In hie "
at which
dings °`r
in, better
to the
by the
Grand
to Pc
tire time'
mode 01 I
a branch
rately.--- I
intiernali
the Bill
es might

Id jai°
founded

rawn u 9
the Ga-
ult their
satiofae-

the pig