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London, England, 1848-05-06 00:00:00

JEWS BILL.

The discussion on the second reading of this Bill was
fixed for Monday, the 22d.
The House then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 5.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
THIRD READINGS.
_

The following Bills were retLitiTchild time and passed:—
Birkenhead Duck Company Bill.
East Indian Railway Company Incorporation Bill.
Leislaments Estate (Govan Glebe Fening) Bill.
Penzance Waterworks Bill.
QUEENSFERRY PASSAGE BILL.
On the motion for the further consideration of the
report upon this Bill,
Mr. BERNAL called the .attention of the House to
the fact that a manuscript clause, giving most
extensive powers, had been inserted in the Bill
iii Committee, contrary to the standing orders of the
House,eet upon
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Mr. R. YORKE said tbut, as one of the members of
:he Committee, he was nut aware that he was acting
contrary to the usual course by allowing the insertion of
the clew°.
After a few words from the Lord Advocate, Sir W.
Heathiote, and Mr. Gibson Craig, the motion was with-
drawn, and the turther consideration of the report
ordered fur Tuesday next.
The reports upon the National Monument of Scotland
Amendment BM, and the Lambeth Waterworks Bill,
were further considered and agreed to.
Mr. M LINTZ presented a petition from a Mr. Thomas
Adams, tot fuerly a member of the House, in which he
stathl that the French Revolutions of 1830 and 1848.
were caused almost entirely by the pressure of
great distress upon the inhabitants, which dis-
tress was mainly attributable to the bad and
faulty state of the monetary laws, and that
Charles X. and Louis Philippe, instead of exa-
mining into the distress of the people, pursued a
despotic and tyrannous policy. He, therefore, warned
the House of their danger, and prayed for the adoption
of some measures more consistent with the rights and
interests of the people than had been adopted for the
last thirty years.
Petitions were also presented by
Mr. WILLIAMS, from the Mayor and Corporotion
of the Borough of Macclesfield, against the Health of
Towns Bill ;
Mr. RUFFORD from Worcester to a similar effect;
Sir R. INGLIS from the churchwardens of St. Mary's,
Battersea, in favour of some comprehensive measure on
the subject of health of towns ;
Sir W. HEATHCOTE, from the Mayor and Cor-
poration of the borough of Basingstoke against that
portion of the Public Health Bill establishing a central
board of officers for:carrying out the provisionsof the Bill;
Mr. FERGUS, from Fife, praying for the repeal of
the Game-laws, and for the adoption of some measure
to enable Scottish congregations to obtain sites for
building churches;
Sir E. FILMER, from the Mayor and Corporation of
Gravesend against the Public Health Bill;
Mr. Alderman SIDNEY, from Stafford, in favour of
the Health of Towns Bill.
Mr. HILDYARD, from Whitehaven, praying the
House to restrain or prohibit the sale of intoxicating
liquors upon Sundays, and also a petition in favour of
the abolition of solicitors' certificate duty;
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD, in favour of the
principles embodied in the People's Charter;
Sir H. HALFOIM, from seven societies of Oad r,,1-
.

lows, praying that the same protection might be afforded
to them as to other benefit societies.
Mr. Alderman SIDNEY presented a petition from
Rothe, hithe in favour of the Health of Towns Bill.
Mr. W. MILES presented a petition from a place in
Somersetshire against the Diplomatic Relations with
Rome Bill.
Mr. COBDEN presented a petition from Marsdon, in
Yorkshire, nainst the sale of spirits on Sunday.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from Forfar against
the Law of Eetail (Scotland) Bill.
Mr. MACKINNON presented petitions from White-
chapel, St. Pancras, and Hoxton in favour of the Health
of Towns Bill.

FRIENDLY SOCIETIES.
I Mr. F. O'CONNOR gave notice of his intentien, on
Monday the 15th instant, to move the second reading
of the Friendly Societies' Bill.
AMERICAN POSTAGE.
Mr. HUME gave notice of his intention, on Tuesday
next, to move for copies of the correspondence between
this country and the United States, with respect to the
postage arrangements.
GUIANA AND TRINIDAD.
On the motion of Mr HUME the following address
was egret d tu:—Address for copies or extracts of dis-
patches from Lord Stanley, Mr. Secretary Gladstone,
and Earl Grey, in 1844, and in any subs, quest years,
authorising the expenditure of 166.0001. for Coolies and
other expenses for Guiana and Trinidad; and also, an
estimate of the further expenditure sanctioned by the
Colonial-office, for similar services, as stated in Mr.
Eldott's letter of the sth day of April, 1848, to C. E.
Trevelyan, Esq.
Mr. 11U NIE also moved fur a tabular abstract of the
totals in each year of the increase and diminution which
has taken place in the number of appointments, and in the
amount of salaries, in all pablic offices and departments,
since the passing of the Act 4 and 5, William IV. c. 24,
so as to show the difference in each of these years of
increase and of diminution of persons and of salaries,
agreeably to the Act.—Agreed to.
FREE TRADE IN INDIA.
Mr. RICARDO, seeing the Right Honourable Baronet
the Secretary for the Board of Control in his place,
wished to ask him a question with reference to an Act of
the Governor-General of India. The House was aware
that hitherto all goods introduced in the ports of
India in British bottoms stood upon more favourable
footing than the commodities brought into India by
foreign ships. He understood that the Governor-
General of India had passed an Act placing both
British and foreign ships upon the same footing, and he
wished to know from the Right Honourable Baronet
whether this information was correct, and if so whether
he had any objection to lay the Act upon the table of the
House.

Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said, in answer to the ques-
tion of the Hon. Gentleman, he had to state that the in-
formation the Hon. Gentleman had received was strictly
correct. The Act was passed in accordance with the
instructions sent out from the Home Government, and
he could have no objection to lay it upon the table of the
House. He would take that opportunity of stating that
the Governor General had done away with the coast
duties, and the reason for his doing so was this:—
The duties by land had previously been abolished,
andit was therefore thought expedient not to continue
the Act of 1839, which imposed duties upon foreign
coasting vessels in favour of Britibh bottoms. The Go
vernor-General had now abolished all differential duties,
and he would take care that the Act by which they
were abolished should be laid upon the table of the
House.
Lord G. BENTINCK said the House would see that
tinder the Act all goods from Singapore would came into
India free of duty. The House was, no doubt, aware that
Singapore was a free port, and that the Act had been
so framed that no exception had been made against the
goods landed at Singapore, re-shipped, and then imported
into India. An impression consequently prevailed, that
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Sir J. C. HOBIIOUSE said the matter had not es-
caped his observation, and he had applied to the India
Board for information on the subject. He had no doubt,
however, that the exception of the port of Singapore
in the Act arose from en oversight.
Mr. ROBINSON wi-hed to know whether the Act
could come into operation without receiving the sanction
of the Home Government.
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Sir AUGUSTUS CLIFFORD, the Übhe•r of the Block
appeared at the LttOtte, and summoned the Howe to the
I-loupe 0: Peers, to hear the Royal Assent given by Com•

znibiou sever4l

On the return of the SPEAKER he enumerated the
Bills (n.i. which 'P.. Lords' rep.rt).
POOR-LAW UNIONS—AUDI I ING ACCOUN I'S.
Mr. BANKES prevented a petition numerously signed
by the guardians and officers of several unions in Dorset,
stating that the present system of auditing accounts in
poor law unions was productive of great expense, delay.
and inconvenience, and praying the House to devise a
remedy.

PUBLIC HEALTH BILL.
Mr. URQUHART presented a petition against this
Bill, but particularly against those clauses which prevent
public bodies from managing their own aff drs.
Sir W. CLAY presented a petition against this Bill,
particularly its centralization principle.
Lord MORPETH presented several petitions in favour
of the Bill.

CEYLON.
Mr. HUME gave notice that on Monday he should
ask the Right Hon. Baronet the President of the Board
of Control whether any orders had been sent to Ceylon,
like those sent to other parts of India, respecting duties
on imports and on shipping.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
On the motion of Mr. PARKER, the House was
ordered to adjourn at its rising until Monday.
INDIAN MAIL.
In answer to a question put by Mr. McGnecon,
Mr. WARD said that it was intended to make an
alteration in the existing arra, gements, and adopt the
route by Marseilles and Alexandria.
ALIEN BILL.
On the motion of Sir G. GREY, the House went
into Committee on the Alien Bill.
Upon clause 1 being proposed,
Mr. HUME proposed to add the words, " and
upon oath."
Sir GEORGE GREY said that the adoption of such
words would have the effect of embarrassing the Go-
vernment.
Mr. HUME thought it a monstrous thing that the
liberties of the people should be thus trifled with, and
should most certainly persist in his motion.
Lord D. STUART moved the amendment of which
he bad given notice, to substitute for" information given
in writing the words " from declarations laid before them
in writing, under 5 and 6 William Iv., cap. 62." In
moving this amendment, he begged it to be understood,
that he still entertained the greatest objection to the
measure, thinking it most unnecessary.
Sir G. GREY could not adopt the amendment of the
Noble Lord, but had no objection to consent to the
amendment of the Hon. Member for Durham (Mr.
Granger).
Lord DUDLEY STUART, after a few words from
Dr. Bowring, withdrew his amendment, and
Mr. GRANGER then moved his amendment to the
first clause, to insert the words " by any person sub-
scribing his or her name and address thereto."
The amendment was agreed to, and
Mr. HUME proposed to add the words, "upon oath,
or by affirmation.'
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL objected to the addl.
tion proposed by Mr. Hume, which was ultimately with-
drawn.
Mr. GRANGER then proposed to insert the follow.
ing proviso at the end of clause one:—" Provided
always, and be it enacted, that if any person
shall knowingly and maliciously give any such
information as aforesaid, of and concerning any such
alien, which shall be false in some material part thereof,
every such person shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and
being convicted thereof shall, at the discretion of the
Court, be liable to be imprisoned for any time not ex.
ceeding three months."
Mr. HUME moved the insertion of the following
words, " provided always, that a copy of every such or•
der shall be immediately served on the alien or aliens se
ordered to depart, and shall be accompanied by a copy
of the information in writing, and the name of the in-
former."
Sir GEORGE GREY said he did not zee any neces-
sity of inserting these words.
Mr. HUME said there was every necessity, and in his
opinion the paragraph ought to come before the
amendment of Mr. Granger. This Bill as it stood
was simply an encouragement of the spy system. It
encouraged people to give information in secret that
they dare not pdblicly disclose, and he certainly pro-
posed the insertion of these words to vitiate that prin-
ciple.
Lord DUDLEY STUART supported the motion
for the insertion of the words. A man might be commit-
ting an offence without being aware of it if this
motion were not agreed to ; for if an alien had not
an opportunity of seeing the Gazette, he might remain
in the country and render himself liable to be
thrown into prison. Was this to be tolerated in a free
country ? He hoped not, and if Government
would give the question their dispassionate considera-
tion, he was sure they would at once accede to the
motion of the Honourable Gentleman, the Member for
Montrose.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the Noble Lord
had given an exaggerated version cf this portion of the Bid.
He contended that it would be all but impossible for the
Government to serve the order upon the parties, as their
movements would, in all cases of dangerous conspiracy,
be of a private and stealthy nature.
Mr. HUME thought that the Bill as it now stood gave
powers as monstrous as those possessed by the old
French Government under the system of lettres de cachet.
Sir G. GREY said that this Bill would not in the least
degree interfere with the rights and privileges given to
all the people, whether foreigners or not, of this country,
by virtue of the Habeas Corpus Act.
Mr. HUME said that, under this Act, a person
might be taken and expelled from the country in five
or six hours; and where then was the use of the Habeas
Corpus Act?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that a remedy=
for that evil would be found in the Bill itself, as if the
party alleged any reason why he should not be sent out
of the country, be would not be so sent until his case
had been fully heard and decided.
Muota-co. Iltnern and Ca.aaoza aa rcrally purported the
amendment.
Sir G. GREY said that if Hon. Members could suppl

the Government with lists of the aliens whom it migi
be necessary to remove, they should all be served with
notice.

Mr. HUME said the Right Hon. Baronet's proposition
was the most iniquitous he had ever known.—(A laugh.)
Everything he (Mr. Hume) had beard confirmed him iu
the propriety of pressing his amendment.
The Committee divided, when the numbers were—
For the amendment 34
Against it
Ma
Mr. GRANGERjortintyen proposed the following— pro-
viso:—" Provided always, and be it enacted, that if any
knowingly and maliciously give any such
, of and concerning any such
alien, which shall be false in some material part thereof;
every such person shall be guilty of a misdemeanour, and
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being convicted thereof shall, at the discretion of the
Court, be liable to be imprisoned for any time nut ex-
ceeding three months."
The l
name The AT I'OIiNEY GENERAL opposed the proviso.
havingl any provision for his punish-
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negatived the proposition to publish
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tee divided, when there appeared—
Fur
proviso 33
Against
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Majority
—65
The clause was then agreed to.
Clause 2 was agreed to without discussion.
On clause 3,
Lord 1). SWART thought it hard that aliens should
in all cases be sent back to their own country. Hu
thought that, leaving the country, they should have per-
mission to go where they pleased. His Lordship moved
the insertion of words to that effect, but subsequently
withdrew his amendment.
Mr. COCKBURN proposed to add a proviso, re-
quiring the Lords of the Privy Council to cause to be
delivered to the alien in writing a general summary of
the matters charged against him and to allow reasonable
time for his defence; and that, at his request, they
should summon witnesses to be examined on oath in the
case. Unless some such provision were made, the appeal
given by the 13111 would be wholly inefficacious, and an
alien might, without any fault of his own, at the instiga-
tion of some private enemy, be dompelled to leave toe
country.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thought such an in-
quiry as his Honourable and Learned Friend proposed
would give the matter the form of a judicial proceeding,
which was not the intention of the- Bill. If his Hon.
and Learned Friend, however, persisted in the amend-
ment, he saw no serious objection to it.
After a short conversation the proviso was adopted,
and the clause, as amended, agreed to.
On clause 4,

Lord D. STUART moved to substitute " one " for
" seven " years as the period within which aliens, having
resided in this country, should be liable to the operation
of the Bill.

Sir G. GREY could not agree to the amendment pro-
posed; but as Government had no wish to take larger
powers than were in their opinion necessary, he was
willing to substitute'` three" for "seven" years.
Mr. E WART apprehended that the alleged necessity
for the Bill arose entirely from the events of the last
few months.—(Hear, hear.) If so, where was the use
M extending the operation of the Bill to foreigners who
bad been in this country more than a year, and whoso
residence here could have nothing to do with those
events ? _ _

Mr. BRIGHT also remarked that those foreign, rs,
whose residence here dated more than *year back could
not possibly be persons who had come with any hostile
intentions to our Government, or with any view to pro
pagate the principles which had lately obtained in some
other countries.
Lord J. RUSSELL--Bnt there are persons engaged
in assassination plots.
Mr. BRIGHT could not understand what the Govern-
ment meant by these mysterious hints about plots. If
they had other reasons to
justify this Bill than those
they had given they should state them.—(Hear, hear.)
In Manchester and Liverpool, and no doubt in other
trading towns, there were many foreigners, whose only
object was commerce, and whole residence here was ad.
vantageous to us. Ile knew not why Parliament should
give powers to the Government to compel all such per.
sons as bad not been here more than three years to

leave the country at the instigation of any man who,
fur purposes of his own,
might denounce them.—
(Bear, , ar.) It appeared to him that Government
iiwere cherishing a suspicion of foreigners unworthy of
this country.—(Cheeri.4.)
, Air. H. YORKE reminded the Hon. Member for Man_
Chester that the Bill woubi not apply to persons engaged
In commerce, but to those only wbote object was to in-
cite to iuterference with the established institutions of
the cwintry and the disturbance or the public peace.
_ Mr. bIUNTZ observed that the Hon. Member for
Yolk seemed himself to forget that it was possible fur a
man to be denounced without being criminal. There
19115 DO ground for the Bill at all,
and he was almost