The Sun.
London, England, 1848-08-30 00:00:00

ference was that they were appointed by a message
from the Crown. The lion. Gentleman bad spoken of
the appointment of the Committee as dangerous;: acd o
innovation of the privilege of Parliament, and coutriy
to the Constitution. Now he (Lord J. Russell) eeulds'ene
no danger at all except in leaving it to the Committe
to say (which they had not done) how many men w‘Fe
necessary for the army and navy. He looked upon Al,
that the Honourable Gentleman had said en
this subject as a delusion, and as 'having
no solid foundation. One good thing that k
occurred for the appointment of the Committee, wasn,
report with respect to the Navy Estimates that would
be most useful to the-House. The precedent, therefore,
instead of being itjurious Ives most useful.—(Hear.)
The Honourable Gentleman had then gone at great
length into the question of public health. Now, "i
respect to that he must confess that the Health d
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Towns Bill was a measure that instead of bone
ashamed of it was his boast, that the Govern-
mentc
of which he was the head bad passed
such a measure during the present session, es it a"!
likely to make great charges in the laws and admin:
tratem of the country. The Hon. Gentleman h,
then stated that measures had been altered In
that House. Now he (Lord John Russell) should hard
thought that an Hon. Gi rifleman who stood up so crush
for the House of Commons would hardly have wished
,
that the opinions of the house of COIDIROnS show'
not have been imported into the measure. (dear,
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hear.) The enourable Gentlemen had yekii
referred to the navigation-laws. With respect to tuat
t
the present Government had obtained the ass°
of the House to the principle of the change
proposed of the measure, but the discussiottt
that had taken place on other subjects ban
prevented Government going on with it. The lion.
Gentleman then passed to the subjec of the Sugar Duties*
Now in reviewing them he should, in his (Lord J. Bus'
sell's) opinion, have stated what had been the charge et!
those duties. The Noble Lord, after referring to whin
had been done on the subject, and commenting upon On
'mighty debates that had taken place on the subject,
dented that the distress in the West Indies had been.
caused by the measure adopted by the Government. The
Houourable Gentleman had then commented upon all
course adopted by the Government with respect to the
Corrupt Practices Bill. Now he (Lord 'John Russell)
denied that it was the duty of the Government to
take up the subject ; added to which, a Noble
Duke, in another place, bad said it was not 6
Bill that ought to pass in the present session.
He (Lord J. Russell) bad now met several of tb°
statements made by the Hon. Member with respect to
some of the measures brought forward by the ,
Go-
vernment during the present session ; he eon'',
not, however, answer him with
respect le
what he called the plague spot of the HOW'
He (Lord John Russell) was connected *with
party who, he believed, Were anxious to do all ut
their power for the public good, and it was-not-to theni
that complaint should be directed that no • WV.'
could be found in that House in opposition-
He did not see, because some persons could not tall
a party in opposition, that Ministers were to be blamed
for it. He thought, however, if the party with,wOul
the Hon. Gentleman was acting . were- • endeavouring
to form a party to renew high protective duties, they
were striving to effect that which they never would se.
complish—(Hear, hear)—and if they could not form n
party the country would look up to it was for them to..
explain it and not him.—(Hear, hear.) He. ha'
given them the hint, and they must make the best of it
they could. (Laughter.) The Hon. Gentleman had :
said that he rose to defend the House. Now be (Lora
John Russell) thought that the House were the
complaining parties in the present instance, -be-
cause nineteen-twentieths of the Members ca'
plained of the other fraction of the House
causing the delay that had taken place.—(ilent'
hear.) Upon the labours of the whole ses-
sion, he (Lord John Russell) would only milt
that out of the 125 Bills introduced by the Govern: ment, they expected to pass 105.—(Hear, hear.)
lie thought that, looking to the regulations of the,House,
and looking to the fact that in the earlier period of the
session the Government had only two days 111
weeek, or eight a month devoted to them, he
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did not think they were to blame for the workthat
had been accomplished by them—(Hear, hear)—an "1
d ,
felt bound to maintain that with sedition at 1101110'.;
(Hear, hear)—with incipient rebellion in Ireland .0"
convulsion in Europe, the work of administration wan
the chief business to which they were bound to devote
their attention.—(Hear, hear.) In the present state of
Europe the slightest indication might have pitted foreign
nations against England, and the want of watchful'
ness on the part of the Government or the •
House would have given to miscreants Si;
at home the means sedition.—(Hear, hear.) I wishe'
(continued the Noble Lord) to maintain peace in Europaf •
—(Hear, hear)—and .1' estimate it beyond all price. e
lament that which I think unnecessary—the war in 1793'
I can assure the House that we shall devote our beat
energies, and cur constant labours to the preservation
ut peace.—(Hear, hear.) Feeling that our inatitutions--•
believing that those institutions are the best that were
ever formed for preserving the liberty of the-communiti
in which they prevail, and wishing to preserve those
institutions against such innovations I shall always re-
flect with satisfaction that during the present year we
have preserved those institutions unimpaired, and who-
ever may succeed us in future sessions will, I trust, have
to defend, and not to restore the constitution of the cone•
try.—(Much cheering.)
Mr. HUME said the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. D'lsraeli)
had been prolific in complaints. He was justified,
therefore, in asking him what he had to propose better?
The bane of this country was party and aris-
tocratic legislation, directed with the sole•
view
of their aggrandisement at the expense of the welfare of
the people. He lamented the breaking up of that:part/
which had prevented the passing of measures inimical t°
the interests of the people. Until a party of theioinr,
arose the same system of misgovernment would '1"
pursued.

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Mr. OSBORNE said the debate was not unlike!" to
go off like many moderate duels—with satisfaction
to all parties; but he did not think the apeetil
of the Honourable Gentleman would induce the
country to' believe that the Noble Lord was ao
blameable as he had tried to make him.—(hear, hear.).
His speech might not inaptly be taken as a defence of
his Hon. Friends tbe Metnbers for Youghal and Stafford.
—(Laughter.) Why, a friend of his had calculated the
amount of time they had consumed; it was no less then
five weeks of the session, and would occupy as witch
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print and paper as five weeks' debating.—(Laughter./
Certainly, the Government were in some respects to
blame. It was true they bad made arithmetical mistakes
which a child would be ashamed of —(ilear.) net
had four financial statements, and depend upon it•the),
would have a filth before the session closed.—(Laughter.)
Ile attributed much of the satisfaction and distress in
the country to aristocractic misrule.—(gear,) The
Noble Lord was going to Ireland. Do not lei Mel
nu to the Castle and eat a trumpet dinner'
uniform, and then come back, like some gentlemen,
and say he knew all about Ireland. Let him really ttv
vestigate the real evils of Ireland, and give the Roma?
C his long-promised measure of self-governmee"
If he really investi.rated the wants of the people of both
countries he would' not -find
.any such panic ho would
not dignify it with the name of a rebellion-which
recently broke Out in Ireland; nor would he find
able vagabonds, wretched Chartists, without a penny in
their pockets, plotting in public-houses for what?---
[Mr. F. O'Connor raised his hat in acknowledgment.]
Ile believed the Hon: Gentleman was the only red Re-
publican in that-House.—(Laughter.) He trusted the
Government would not govern on the state principles
which had been laid down in Downing-street froine time
immemorial, as the proper way to.govern a people.
Atter a few observations from kr. HUDSON and gr.
DISRAELI, in explanation, the Bill was read a third time,
and the House adjourned at Quarter past Four till
a Quarter past Six.

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