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saw they would be released, and he would not therefore trouble
the House with any further remarks. And, continued the
Hon. !Member, everybody in the country knew there would be
a release, and they were released. All he asked was that the
same weight and measure should be dealt out to the inhabitants
of Wales as to the French Canadians. He considered also that
he had been unfairly treated by the Hon. and Learned Member
for Bute, who had dwelt upon the aggravation of the case. The
Learned Solicitor-General, he thought, might answer him well
upon this point. But did he (Mr. Duncombe) press the interfe-
rence of Parliament upon the merits of the case. .He said at
the outset that neither he nor the petitioners believed the con-
duct of the parties to be right. He said they were guilty of a
great crime—he said, and the millions who had signed the pe-
titions had said, that these parties had already received sufficient
punishment. Their conduct has been most exemplary in the
colony to which they have been sent. The Hon. and Learned
Member for Bute had left him (Mr. Duncombe) no option in
consequence of his sanguinary and blood-thirsty speech. He
said that they could not commit a greater outrage on public
opinion than to release those parties. He denied that state-
ment. Had the Hon. Member seen the petition from Leeds
which he had presented to the House that evening, signed by
34,000 persons, headed by the Vicar of Leeds (Dr. Cook)
by twelve members of the Town Council, and by the Board
of Guardians? He considered that the petition emanating
from Leeds expressed the general feeling of the whole country.
He begged to state that Sir Thomas Philips received no severe
wounds whatever ; be had cut his finger in the room of an inn,
but he ventured to state that he received no gun-shot or sabre
wound, which would entitle him to receive a pension from the
country. In conclusion he must say, in justice to the peti-
tioners who had entrusted him with the care of their wishes,
and believing that the general feeling of the humane was in
favour of mercy, he would feel it his duty to take the sense of
the House upon his motion.
Mr. OCTAVIUS MORGAN begged to correct a state-
ment of the II ouourable Member—Sir Thomas Philips had

been wounded.
Mr. HOPE begged to confirm the statement of the Hon.
Member for Monmouthshire—he had been wounded by a gun

shot wound,

Strangers were then ordered to withdraw.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the motion
Against it .
Majority against the motion —l6s
CASE OF MR. KINDER.
Mr. MARK PHILIPS rose to bring forward his motion,
which was one, he respectfully said, demanded the attention of
the House, in order to prevent the merchants of this country
from having their commereial affairs improperly interfered
with. All he asked for was to produce the documents which
her Majesty's Government had received respecting the decision
which the Mexican Government had come to respecting the
claims of Mr. Kinder. If those papers were produced he
would not wish to say another word on the subject, but it was
certainly, in his opinion, a very unjust decision, and he theught
that the Government should interfere, as the justice of Mr.
Kinder's claims were very strong. He asked for the produc-
tion of those papers from no selfish motives or grounds, but his
constituents had an interest, whose property was involved,
and he thought a case had been made out for the production of
those papers, for the purpose of satisfying the country.
lie simply asked for the production of those papers without
wishing to enter into any extraneous matter. He wished for
those documents' in a national point of view as well as in a
commercial point, and he would not say one word more, but
simply read his motion, which was to the following effect :
Copies of all reports or representations by Richard Pakenham,
Esq., her Majesty's Minister in Mexico, on which her
Majesty's Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs has founded
the decision he has given on the applications of Mr. Thomas
Kinder.
Sir R. PEEL said that the Hon. Gentleman called on the
Government to interfere with a question of international law.
The facts were simply these :—Mr. Kinder called on the
Mexican Government to decide the point, and the decision
was against him • and, according to every principle of inter-
national law, there was no ground on which the British
Government could interfere, which was laid down
by the highest authority in the land. His Noble
Friend the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs consulted
the highest authority, and his decision on the evidence
was that there was no claim on the Mexican Government for
reparation. As he said before, his Noble Friend the Secretary
of State for Foreign Affairs came to the same decision that the
Court of Justice had come to, that the claims of Mr. Kinder
were inadmissible.
Mr. M. GIBSON said that, in his opinion, the Right Hon.
Baronet was not at all satisfactory. The Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs did not say that Mr. Kinder had no claim be-
cause the decision of the Mexican Government was against him.
If the Right Hon. Gentleman had founded his ease npon the
sentence pronounced against Kinder in 'Alexi, o, he thought
that a ease might be adduced exactly similar, when the Duke
of Wellington had interfered. The answer of the Secretary
of State was not, however, founded en a foreign tribunal, but
upon the repre,entation of a Minister of State. It was not an
uncommon case, he contended, for the Government to interfere
where a private individual felt aggrieved in reference to
affairs of a like description. Mr. Pakenham may have
been misled, and if Kinder had the report
before him, he could be able at least to see the grounds on
which the decision given against him was founded. Mr.
Kinder was a man of integrity and intelligence, and he thought
his case was one where the Government of this country should
interfere with the Government of Mexico. He saw no reason
why Mr. Kinder should not be told the grounds upon which his
claim was resisted ; and he, therefore, contended that the papers
moved for ought to be laid upon the table of the House.
After a few words from Mr. FORSTER and Mr. SCOTT,
Sir ROBERT PEEL said the Hon. Gentleman had made a
long speech on his view of this subject, and he did not think
it quite fair that su.:ll views of the case should be carried out.
He wished to make an objection to the decisions of the
Mexican tribunals, and he hoped the House would not sanction
such a thing. This was a question whether we should inter-
fere with the decision of the Mexican courts, and he was
firmly of opinion that no such interference should take place.
He should like to know what their courts of justice would say
if a Mexican subject were to ask the Government of his coun-
try to interfe with the legal decisions of this country? We had
enough upon our hands without doing this; and he did again
hope that the House would not interfere with the decisions of
another country. Suppose that a Mexican subject were to call
upon the Government of his country to interfere with our
Minister for Foreign Affairs—Lord Aberdeen—what would be
the feeling here? He trusted the House would not sanction
the proposed interference by the lion. Member.
Mr. M. GIBSON wished to state that Lord Aberdeen had
founded his opinion upon Mr. Pakenham's report.
Sir. M. PHILIPS said that when they had the assurance
they had just heard in referenee to this affair, he could but feel
satisfied, but he at the same should say that this was no
matter of minor importance. It involved the purchase of an
estate to the amount of 40,0001., besides which the purchaser
had to pay other dues into other hands. If those were the facts,
he could not tell why the correspondence of Mr. Packenham
should not be laid upon the table.
Sir R. PEEL said that that was the very point he differed
from the Honourable Member upon. Interference was de-
mended, and the answer of the Queen's Advocate was, that
this country should not interfere. Under those circumstances,
1 the papers could not be laid upon the table.
The motion was then withdrawn.
FRAUDULENT VOTES AT ELECTIONS.

said he would not trespass upon the
House at this late hour of the night with this subject, but that
he had attempted to de so several times before without effect.
His motion was to this effect—to appoint a " Select Com-
mittee to inquire into an alleged organized and extensive sys
tern of fraudulent and vexatious objections to the votes of a
great number of duly qualified electors for the Northern Di-
vision of Warwickshire, the Northern Division of Staffordshire,
and certain divisions of other counties."
Mr. AG LION BY hoped the Hon. Member would not press
his motion at this late hour of the night, for there ought to be
some consideration for Hon. Members who were obliged to at-
tend Committees all day and this Howe at night.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said that if Hon. Members thought
proper to adjourn the motion, they could do so.
Mr. C. BULLER assured the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Newdegate) that the object of his motion would not be attained
without a warm debate ; and he therefore felt it mould be
more convenient for all parties that for the present the
ve;tion should not be brought on.—( Hear, hear. )
Sir G. GREY gave notice of his intention to move an
amendment to the effect, that the full question be opened on
inquiry.
Sir ROBERT PEEL having also expressed himself in
favour of a postponement of the question at that late hour,
Mr. HUME said that he thought it would be better in this
case not to name any particular Committee, but to inquire into
the subject generally.
Sir W. JAMES entirely concurred in the suggestion of the
Hon. Member for Montrose.
Sir R. PEEL said that though he thought the registration
laws required amendment, yet too much burden should not be
laid on the improvement at first.
Mr. C. BULLER then agreed to withdraw his proposed
amendment.
After some further discussion,
The question that a Select Committee be appointed to in-
quire into the subject generally was put and carried.
Mr. SPOONER then moved the House should take into
consideration the petition of Joshua Toulmin Smith (presented
sth March).
Mr. HUME moved that an humble address be presented to
her Majesty for copy of an order in council, dated the 7th day
of September 1838, for regulating within the colonies of
British Guiana, Trinidad, St. Lucia, and Mauritius, re-
spectively, the relative rights and duties of masters and servants.
Copy of a ?ircular dispatch addressed by Lord Glenelg to the
Governors of the Legislative Colonies in the West Indies,
dated the 15th day of September, 1938, transmitting copies of
the said order in counsel, dated the 7th day of September, 1838.
Copy of an order in council, dated Dec. 9th, 1841, abrogating
so much of the order in council, dated the 7th of September
1838, as relates to contracts of service made in Europe.
Copy of an order in council, dated the 4th day of January,
1843, abroga•ing so much of the order in council, dated the
ith day of September, 1838, as relates to contracts of servii:e
made in North America —Agreed to.
COAL WHIPPERS' BILL.
This Bill was read a second time.
SUPPLY.
The report of the Committee of Supply was brought up and
received.

WAYS AND MEANS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he in-
tended to propose that the House do resolve itself into a Com-
mittee of the whole House to-morrow, in order to take the
usuil vote, so as to pass the Ways and Means' Bill before the
end of the month.
METROPOLITAN BUILDING (No. 2) BILL.
The report of this Bill, after a few words from Mr. FOSTER
against its provision., and an explanation from Sir J. GRAHAM,
was brought up and received, and the third reading fixed for
that day week.
SOUTH- SEA COMPANY BILL.
This Bill passed through Committee.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at One o'clock.

The public
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are sptcially
pre-
mises in Aldgateinftwined that a few days will
complete the tir,
be given of the day and range of E. Moses and Son's new pre-
the Minories, and that due notice will
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theCoaurtmDwradpeseersri, who have lately intro-
duced
returns
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induced a ohualsd appear that " an
manufactured with pLttnmeafweolooll,
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extra and liberal payment of wage':
corres-
ponding and remunerative exertion on the part of the opera-
tivesthe 'int
peculiar.dati
at the loom ; that such rise of wages,
the West of England, was rendered necessary
place by the great and unexpected demand faorrYtliiii
fabric—a demand principally raised by tne recornmset
it at once obtained from the faculty ; and that, as it was found
that the men themselves, encouraged by liberal wages and
short hours, took more than an ordinary interest in the suc-
cess of the greater development of :Itch novelty, the high
rate of wages has ben continued, and the result is that
almost daily evidence of improvement n this a
f act new branch o e
f
cloth-making is observable."
It is i
likwise mor
national importance, that the onlers to the Messrs. Nicoll
fur the Llama cloth are proportionably far greater from the
Continent than in England. ..
PRICE OF SALMON IN THE Nowrif.--The Duke of
Riciimuiart salmon on the Spey are sellin.e; at the high ;rice of
to 3s. a pound in the neighbourhood of the fishing groUnds. Sir It.
Yeel's late tariff has in no way dimildsheil time value of Oil noble
9,ill.—lnv4rup Courier. • - -