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THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JULV 25, 1846.

should persist in their course of placing the statue in the
proposed po
Lord MORPETH said that his private opinion, which
()facie' responsibility could not altog:ther separate from
him, was that he had certainly some misgivings upon
the subject.—(Hear, hear.) When he succeeded to
office he found that the preceding Government had given
their consent to the parties who wished to erect the
statue, and he did not therefore feel disposed to take the
pleasure of her Majesty again upon the question. He
wished that the subscribers could persuade themselves
to accede to the offer which had been made previously
by her Majesty's Government, but he did not think
himself warranted in interfering in the subject. He
would merely state that in a letter which had not been
laid upon the table of the House, from Mr. Burton, it
was stated that having examined the structure of the
arch he was of opinion that it was sufficiently strong to
support the weight of the statue, but he added that in
his opinion there would be some difficulty in raising a
statue of the weight of thirty or forty tons to the heigh 1
proposed by the committee. This is all, said the Noble
Lord, I have to submit to the House.—(Laughter.)
Sir F. TRENCH would state the real nature of the
case. None of the committee had any objection to the pro-
posed site—they only objected to the cost, and which side
it should be upon; but the cost was decided upon and her
Majesty's consent obtained a year before this objection
was made. The next course to adopt was to determine
the nature of the memorial, and is was agreed that the
money subscribed by the public should be devoted to
the erection of an equestrian statue of the Duke of
Wellington on that arch. They afterwards found it
impossible to adopt any other course than the one deter-
mined upon, as they were virtually appointed to effect
that,object. The Queen gave her consent through Lord
Melbourne to the site; a deputation of the Committee
then waited upon the Duke of Wellington to announce
their decision, and to congratulate him that he would
have opposite his window the great tribute which the
public of England intended to erect to a loyal servant
of his country. On the Ist of June her Majesty re-
ceived the chairman of the committee, and gave her
consent. On the 6th of June the whole of the sub-
committee went as a deputation to the Duke of Wel-
lington, on the matter of placing the statue in that
position. On the 22d of June, and on the 3d of July,
the letters which had been referred to appeared, written
by a nobleman whom he was proud to observe
had never attended the committee at all. It
was part of the duty of the sub-committee to submit
the plans which were proposed for the statue in ques-
tion, and as soon as her Majesty had given her consent
to its being placed on the arch on Constitution-hill, they
were so submitted, and the opinion then expressed was,
that this was the best position for it. When the design
for the statue now agreed was offered, and her Majesty's
consent was obtained, a meeting of the general commit-
tee was called, which was very fully attended, there
being no less than twenty-six members present. The
result was, that after a deliberation, the proceedings of
the sub committee were confirmed, there being but one
of the members who objected to the statue being placed
on the arch. He would ask the Hon. Member who so
much objected to the proceedings of the sub-committee
if it was right to charge that committee with
indecent proceedings, or with exceeding their duty.
They consulted the feelings of the general com-
mittee, and considered their duty was nothing
but to carry into effect the wishes of the public. Ile
considered the House of Commons was not a fit place to
make such an application as had been made that night,
but it should be made to the committee that was ap-
pointed on the 3d of July, 1839. He would take the
liberty of calling the attention of the House to the opi-
nion of a Noble Lord on this subject, who was quite as
competent to give an opinion as either the hon. mover
or seconder of this motion. The Noble Lord to whom
he referred was the Earl of Aberdeen, who stated, that
after her Majesty had given her consent to placing the
statue on the arch in the Green-park, and after the
committee had taken steps to give validity to this by a
resolution, he considered the question settled. Was it
to be supposed that the sub-committee were obstinate.
for it was impossible for them to take any other course ?
He hoped the House would not commit the gross injus-
tice of doing that which he did not think they had a
right to do, and which would be a great disrespect to the
Crown ; her Majesty, having given her solemn pledge,
ought not to be called upon to reverse it. He hoped the
House would not come to any such resolution as the one
proposed, and which, he thought, would be a gross in-
justice.

Mr. EWART then rose, but was for some time im-
perfectly heard. He maintained that,
.first of all; the
subscribers ought to have been consulted ; next, the
opinion of the architect, the gentleman who constructed
the arch, ought to have been taken ; and, as much as
any, the sense of the country ought to have been attended
to ; for he thought that if that wero considered, the
gentlemen on the committee have attained no very en-
viable immortality.
Sir IL H. INGLIS wished to state his single difficulty.
It was that her Majesty had been pleased to give her
consent, and yet this House was to ask her to withdraw
that consent. But he believed that when her Majesty
gave her consent it was given when no plan was laid
before her Majesty exhibiting the statue as it was pro-
posed to stand. If so, the question was still open to the
House. If the decision of the intelligent community of
London—if the opinions of the Members of that House
were taken seriatim—the vast majority of the community,
as well as the Members of that House, would be in fa-
vour of not placing the statue where it was proposed to
be erected. In conclusion, he suggested that the pre-
sent works should be at once suspended, and that the
Government should be at the expense of carrying out
one of the other plans, and thus obviate what he could
not help thinking would be a great monstrosity.
Mr. F. FRENCH said that the Committee would of
course have to administer the moneys of those who had
subscribed towards erecting a statue to the Duke of
Wellington on the arch, because the greater part of the
money was subscribed for that purpose. But he had no
objection, if the proposition should be satisfactory to the
House, to lay the opinion of the House on this subject
before the committee.—(Cries of " Hear, hear," and
"No, no," in the midst of which the Hon. Member re•
sullied his seat*, when
Sir GEORGE GREY rose and said, he hoped the
Hon. Gentleman would see, or rather infer, from the
manner in which the motion had been entertained by the
House, that they were averse to the placing of a statue
upon the arch; and he (Sir G. Grey) must confess, after
reading the correspondence to which allusion had been
made, that he had a very strong objection to • the pro-
posal of the committee—(Flear)—but until the Hon.
Member had submitted to the committee a statement as
to the feeling of the House on the subject. He (Sir
G. Grey) would not say that he would advise her Ma-
jesty to withdraw her consent to the erection of the
statue on the arch, At the same time he must say that
he should advise the House to listen to the proposal of
the Hon. Member as to submitting a proposition to the
committe.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir F. TRENCH accordingly again rose and said that
the Right Hon. Baronet had truly interpreted his
feelings on the subject. He should indeed entertain the
deepest regret if the statue were not allowed to be
placed on the arch, and he would beg to say that if the
statue were placed on the arch in the manner proposed by
the Committee, it would be, in his opinion, one of the
most magnificent ornaments to this groat metropolis.
(Hear, hear, and great laughter.) He sincerely thought
so, and he knew that there were a great many Members
of the House who participated in that opinion.—(Hear,
hear.) His proposition at present was, that the House.
should delay expressing its opinion on the subject until
he had an opportunity of stating to the committee
what appeared to be the feeling of the
House on the subject. —(llear, hear, and No, no.)
He should be able to do that in the course of two days,
and he hoped that the Hon. Member who had proposed
the motion would, under the circumstances, withdraw
it for the present —(Hear, hear, and Divide.)
Lord MORPETH said, th 4 if the House consented
to the withdrawal of the motion, he hoped that it would
be understood that the Government would be empow-
ered to stop all the works.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. B ERKELEY— Mr. Speaker, with such an
understanding, I have no objection to withdraw my
motion, provided I have an assurance from the Noble
Lord that the whole of the works are stopped—(Hear,
hear)—and that they shall not be allowed to proceed
with the statue until this House has expressed its
opinion on the subject.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord MORPETH—I think it is perfectly fair that
the works should be entirely stopped till the com-
mittee signify their assent to the proposition that has
been made, and till this House has an opportunity of
deciding upon their resolution.—(Hear.)
An Horr. MEMBER begged to ask the lion. and Gal-
lant Member whether the committee had not pledged
themselves to erect a statue which should be satisfactory
to the public?
Sir F. T,RENCTI—They were required to erect a
statue which should be satisfactory to She Treasury, and
the Treasury are now hostile to it.--(Laughter.)
The motion was then withdrawn, and the subject al-
lowed to drop.
WAYS AND MEANS.
The order of the day was then read for going into a
Committee of Ways and Means.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the sum of 4,000,0001. should be granted out of the
Consolidated Fund for the use of her Majesty's service.
Motion agreed to.
HALIFAX AND BOSTON MAILS.
On reading the order of the day for going into a Corn.
mittee of Supply,
Mr. P. MILES rose, in pursuance of the motion of
which he had given notice, to move for a Select Com-
mittee to inquire into the circumstances connected with
the granting of the present contract for the conveyance
of the mails from England to Halifax and Boston, and
also into the circumstances connected with the granting
of any new, or the extension of the existing contract for
the same purpose. Although the Great Western Steam-
boat Company were in the habit of bringing letters and
treaties for the Government, hitherto they had not re-
ceived a farthing of compensation, and he for one thought
this was most unjust. It had repeatedly been pointed
out to the proper functionary of the Government, that
the contract for conveying the mail ought to be con-
ceded to that company ; and the late Government
decided, just before going out of office, that no other
contract should be signed until Parliament had
had some opportunity of expressing an opinion
upon the subject, but the present Government had disre-
garded this promise, and another contract had lately
been entered into. What rendered it more important
however that the matter should be inquired into was,
that letters brought by the Great Western Company
were always 'delivered in Liverpool, and he, therefore,
begged to move the ansendruent of which be had given
notice.—(Hear, hear.)
Captain BERKELEY seconded the motion, because
he thought monopolies of every kind ought to be done
away with. The contract for conveying the mails to
America aught to be thrown open to all the world, and
he thought a company managed with so much spirit and
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served encouragement at the hands of her Majesty's
Government. The country was justly proud of the
Great Western Railway, and they ought to be no less
proud of the Great Western steam-ship —(Hear, hear.)
Well, then, let it he borne in mind that the company
who had built that vessel was the first to prove that
the Atlantic might be overcome by the power of steam;
and during the Canadian insurrection they aff •rded con-
siderable service to this country in conveying and bring-
ing Government dispatches. Then, again, it was by
the celerity of the Great Western steam-ship that the
Right Hon. Baronet, the late Premier, was enabled to
announce to the House, before quitting office, that the
Oregon question was settled, and his announcement was
confirmed by the Great Britain, another vessel belonging
to the Great Western Steam-boat Company —(Heer,
hear.) He thought, then, under thsse circumstances,
the company deserved some of the patronage of the Go-
vernment, and it could not be bestowed upon them in a
better way than by giving them a contract for carrying
the American mails.—(Hear, hear.) It must be borne
in mind, too, that besides doing great services for the
Government, the company had done much to promote
and advance the mechanical science of the country.
They it was who first practically developed the screw
system ; and he thought, at -all events, they were en-
titled to a hearing if they did not participate in the pa-
tronage of the Government.
Mr. GOULBURN said, as be was the party who made
the present contract fur the conveyance of the mails to
America, he felt it incumbent upon him to say a few
words. He should endeavour to show that the contract
so made was the best for the public service. In 1839
steam navigation across the Atlantic was first esta-
blished, when Government advertised for parties to
contract for carrying the mails to America, and as
Messrs. Cunard were the only parties prepared to
enter into such a contract, it was of course conceded to
them. They were to provide three vessels, of three
hundred horse-power each, to perform journies out and
home, once a fortnight, and the Government agreed to
pay them a compensation of 55,0001. per annum. It
was subsequently found, however, that these vessels
were not sufficiently powerful to navigate the Atlantic,
and another contract was entered into, by which it was
agreed that Messrs. Cunard should provide five vessels
of four hundred horse power, which should be so built
as to be made available for the service of the country
in times of war. Shortly afterwards another arrange-
ment was made for the conveyance of the mails to the
North American colonies, and it was this arrangement
which induced the late Government to think it would be
better to send the mails vie' New York instead of Boston.
He said that the contract of 1841, not only required the
conveyance of mails to North America twenty times a
year, but gave the Admiralty power to require Mr.
Cunard to put on vessels and double the number of mails
for the year within nine months after notice. Shortly
after this, a discussion arose as to the best method of
conveying the mails to the North American colonies, and
in 1845, a proposal was made by the United States of
America to carry the mails overland to the colonies of
the north, and it was thought better to have the mails
carried by way of New York and not by Boston. He
said, then, these mails had been regularly carried, as
well during the winter months as when the season
allowed of more certain voyages. The Government,
however, instead of remunerating Mr. Cunard to the
amount to which he was entitled by the contract of
1841, which should have been 180,0001., cut him down
to 145,000/. for forty-four voyages a year. It had
been stated by the Hon. Gentleman, that the cost was
4,500/. a voyage.---(The Hon. Member from the other
side of the House "It was 4,5001.") He (Mr. Goul-
burn) would tell him what the original cent in whole
was—it was 3,290/. But the proposal made by the
other companies was severally 3,750/. and 5.000/. a
voyage, so that, measuring Mr. Cunard's merits by the
amount of remuneration given him, his superiority was
established by that, as well as by the uniform regularity
and asiduity with which he had discharged his duties.
It had been asked why the Government had not ac-
cepted the tender of the Great Western Company, and
kept open two routes to North America ? But he (Mr.
Goulburn) would ask any gentleman, whether a Govern-
ment, maintaining a double line of mails, would not have
exceedingly increased the expense to the country ? But,
besides, that company proposed to give up running early
in November, and begin again only in April. Mr Cu-
nard, on the contrary, against the anticipations of the
Admiralty, had faced and overcome the difficulties of
running across these seas during the winter months.
One other object was looked to in establishing this
mode of conveyance—that provisigne were made for a
time of war as well as of peace, so that the mails
might run at all times. This establishment, he said,
owed its origin entirely to the activity of the colonists of
Nova Scotia and the neighbourhood, and he, for one,
should have been sorry to do anything against the zeal
and the energy of these colonists.
Lord CLEMENTS moved that it should be an in-
struction to the Committee to consider the advantage of
the mails to Halifax starting from the western coast of
Ireland. He said there was a gross neglect of Ireland.
In Lord Grey's time the only admiralty station in Ireland
had been removed, and since that time a route connecting
the western coast of Ireland and North America had
been asked and as often refused. He thought, then,
that it would tend much to the conciliation of Scotland,
and to a closer union between America and this country,
if a railway crossed Ireland to the west coast, conveying
the mails that way to America.
Mr. CHRISTIE said that he thought one very strong
point with the Hon. Gentleman who had brought for-
ward the motion, and of which the Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Goulburn) on the other side of the House had
taken no notice, was, that this contract had been signed
two days after the late Government had tendered their
resignation, and were holding office only till another
Government should be formed. This had been brought
before the House at the time by a question, and the pre-
vailing opinion then was, that the contract would not be
signed till a Government was formed ; and indeed, the
Noble Lord now at the head of her Majesty's Govern-
ment gave his assurance to the House that the contract
would not he signed till further consideration had been
given it. He hoped that some explanation of this would
be given by some Member of the late Government, and
also that a Committee would be granted to the Hon.
Gentleman the Member for Bristol on the subject.
Mr. GOULBURN begged to explain that everything
but the actual signature to the contract was done in this
matter Ilifore the resignation of her Majesty's late
Ministers.
Mr. SPOONER said, in answer to the remark, that
Mr. Cunard was the first gentle man that had traversed
the Atlantic in the winter time ; that the reason was,
that he was the only gentleman that had been paid for
doing so.—(Hear, hear.) The fair way would have
been to offer to both companies remuneration for the
carriage of the mails. The public did not complain of
the manner in which Mr. Cunard had carried out the
terms of his contract—every one must admit that he
had carried it out in a most satisfactory manner.—
(Hear, hear.) The public, he contended, should be
made cognisant of the terms of all contracts of this
description.—(f fear, hear.) The Government had kept
all t is matter in the dark, and of that the public had a
right to complain. He had no doubt that his
Right Honourable Friend had done his best to-
wards securing the ablest contractor for the
carriage of mails ; but he had at the same I
time deprived the public of cornpetition.—(Hear,
hear.) A most dangerous precedent had been esta-
blished, and he hoped that the House would grant this
Committee, for the purpose of making a full inquiry
into the matter.
Mr. GISBORNE said that his commercial consti-
tuents highly disapproved of the conduct of the late Go-
vernment on this subject. The Right Hon. Gentleman
opposite (Mr. Goulburn) had no doubt given a most
satisfactory answer to the Hon. Member for Weymouth
(Mr. Christie) as to the signing of the -contract, but he
had not, in the course of his observations, exculpated
himself from the charges of unfairness and injustice
which had been brought against him. If the late Go-
vernment could show that they had acted justly, the
public would of course be satisfied; but be was afraid
that they could not. Under these circumstances, he
hoped that the present Government would grant the in-
quiry asked for.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. MARK PHILIPS said that as this subject
created a great excitement out of doors, he sincerely
hoped that a Committee might be granted, for the eir-
pose of justifying the conduct of all parties concerned,
and showing the public that no unfairness had,heen
committed. He believed that the commercial interests
of this country were greatly indebted to the Right Hon.
Gentleman, the late Canceller of the Exchequer, for the
manner in which he had exerted himself in obtaining for
the country the earliest possible means of communica
tion with the United States, but he thought that he had
acted very prudently in establishing a monopoly in favour
of Mr. Cunard. He was most anxious that- the Com-
mittee should bar granted, that the whole question might
be fully and fairly inquired into, so that the abuses, if
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or any other party.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir R. PEEL hoped there would be no opposition
whatever to the appointment of this Committee.—
(Hear, hear.) The late Government were of opinion
that Mr. Canard was entitled to the late contract; Indeed
he (Sir R. Peel) felt confident that if the late Govern-
ment had left office before the contract was signed, the
members of the Government that followed them would
have signed it. Had the contract not been signed by the
late Government, they would have been guilty of a most
shabby act. lie therefore hoped that the Committee
asked for would be appointed.--(Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, after
giving a brief history of the circumstances connected
with tile gratiting.of the contract to Mr. Cunard,‘said
that he felt that that gentleman was the ablest person
with whom the Government could have contracted for
the conveyance of the mails to the United States, but he
was by no means opposed to the appointment of a Coin

mittej, which would afford the House an opportunity of
inquiring into the whole of the circumstances.—(Hear.`,

He did not wish to say a word calculated to annoy the
South-Western Company; they were fully entitled to
stand well with the public ; they were the first to con-
struct large steamers to cross the Atlantic, and they had
made at their own cost a great experiment lately with
the splendid steam-ship the Great Britain. It was the
duty, however, of the Government to make the best
bargain► they could for the public. He was so satisfied
with the course the Government had taken that he
should bo the last person in the world to object to such
a Committee as moved for by the Hon. Member. The
adoption of such a course at the present time w.
lead, however, to the stoppage of the supplies, s,nd
hoped, therefore, that tha Hon. Member would not press
his motion.
The motion was accordingly withdrawn.
ABUSES IN THE MILBANK PRISON.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE moved, pursuant to notice, that
the petition of Mr. Edward Baker, presented on the 12th
of June, complaining of certain abuses existing in the
Milbank Prison, be referred to a Select Committee.
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tioner. The petition contained a number of charges of
. cruelty and misconduct against the Governor of the
prison towards the persons co, fito d in that prison.
These charges mild, he thought, be all substantiated, if a
Select Committee were appointed to inquire into the
I subject. One of the charges wag that the prisoners
were sentenced to seven days' confinement, upon bread
and water, for opening their bibles and reading-therein
during the time of ttivine service. Another case was
that of a prisoner who was sentenced to receive 100
lashes for cutting a cat on the wall with a pair of
scissors; • and that, in consequence of this corporal pun-
ishment, he had been confined for a period of ten weeks,
during which he was not allowed any religious instruc-
tion, nor was the chaplain allowed to visit him. In the
former ease the Governor ha.; exceeded his duty by
confining the prisoner for seven days, for by the regu-
lations of the prison he had only the power of confining
a prisoner for three days. As to the second case, the
prison regulations regarding corporal punishment, it was
ordered that no whip should be used except such as
had been approved by the prison inspectors, and which
had their seal upon the handle. In this case, however,
the night before the punishment was to take place, the
governor sent out for a lash of double the weight, which
lash lie.) had wound round with wax cord, which in-
creased the severity of the punishment to a considerable
extent. There was also the case of a prisoner who was
flmveeredas, and kept on bread and
skeleton. Four suicides had
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commit suicide, but had been prevented in consequence
of the vigilance of the warders There was another
practice to which he would call the attention of the
House. The governor was in the habit of raising a
false alarm of fire, and a hundred and twenty persons
have been called up out of their beds in the depth of
winter for what is called " fire practice;" and this was
in the habit of being done for the purpose of entertain-
ing the dinner friends of the governor. There were also
charges of favouritism, and numerous others, which
he would not then detain the House by entering into.
An inquiry into these charges ought to take place, and
it would facilitate the solution of the problem of the best
method to treat the criminal. He said it advisedly, and
in his place in that House he was prepar d to prove
every charge which was alleged in the motion.
Sir G. GREY said an inquiry was made already by
the Government into the facts, and the charges were re-
ported not to have been substantiated. There had been
only four suicides out of 11,000 persons who had been
committed, the whole convict population that were
sentenced to be transported passing first through Mil-
bank. He would promise to lay before the House
the report, and it the House t:id not consider that report
sufficient, he would agree to any inquiry the Hon.
Mem her chose,
Mr. HUME said, after the frightful atrocities which
were daily coming to light from the Andover Committee,
his confidence was xceedingly shaken in persons who
were possessed of authority. He would, therefore, re-
commend the adoption of the suggestion of the Hoe.
Member.
Captain PECHELL would recommend his Hon. Friend
to persevere, Jime the public would not be satisfied, after
the charges that had been made, that an inquiry should
be delayed. .
Mr. SPOONER considered that the lion. Member
would ceme with a stronger case to the House if he
would consent to the suggestion.
Mr. AGLIONBY said he hoped no delay would take
place. An inquiry should be made, and not postponed;
the characters of public servants were involved, and
that rendered investigation imperative. The former
was conduct, d in the walls of a prison, with no one
present to represent the accuser, and it was alleged that
answers were put in the mouths of the witnesses, and
that their answers were stop,:ed wh‘n they seemed to
imply the truth of the charges. The public would
never be satisfied unless there was a full-and searching
investigation.
Mr. E WART said, that only one side of the case was
referred to the inspectors, and consequently the investi-
gation was of little use. He considered that a geod case
was made out for an inquiry, and he should support the
motion.

Sir R. INGLIS said that the Right lion. Gentleman
the Secretary of State, merely stated that the House
was not yet in a condition to pronounce an opinion on
the subject, and merely asked tOr a brief delay till he
made inquiry into the allegations. He thought such a
course was the proper one under the circumstances. He
would support him.
Mr. B. ESCOTT supported the motion. He thought
the inquiry should be granted, as it was 'a very fit sub-
ject for the House to investigate, and he could not un-
derstand why it-was refused.
Mr. CHRIS HE would vote for the inquiry without
hesitation. The report referred to by the Right Hon.
Gentleman the Secretary of State ought to have been
laid on the table before this. He hoped the Right Hon.
Gentleman would grant the Committee.
Mr. HENLEY opposed the motion. IF the House
went into inquiries of this sort there would be no end
to them. The course proposed by the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman was the proper one under the circumstances.
The House then divided when there appeared—
For the motion
Against it
Majority
The House then went into Committee of Supply.
BRITISH MUSEUM.
Sir R. INGLIS proposed that the sum of 45,4061. be
granted to defray the expenses of the British Museum.
Mr. HUME said that the present was a large sum,
compared to what was formerly granted to that esta-
blishment. He thought there should be a responsible
board of manuaers to superintend the outlay of so large
a sum of money. There was no establishment in the
country where so large an amount was granted without
some control on the part of this House, yet this board
was wholly i-responsible. The trustees consisted of
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forming a responsible board;
the propriety
and, with the exception of the raising the salaries of the
officers of the institution, which amounted altogether to
19,0001., no other recommendation of that Committee
was attended to. He thought a change should take
place 'in this system. He was really at a loss to know
what branch of the Government to address on the sub-
ject, but he hoped the matter would be taken up, for the
public would require that a responsible body be ap-
pointed. On Tuesday and Thursday the Mnsetins was
open only to private parties. That was the system of
exclusion carried on ; and he wished to know why a
public institution should be open only to private parties.
The public servants were compelled to attend on those
days, and he thought that while the public money was ex-
pended every well conducted person ought to be admitted.
It might be said that it was for the benefit of
artists. He had inquired of artists, and he was informed
that they went on all days whether the Museum was
attended or not, so that this excuse was invalid. There
was another point which required attention, and that,
was whether the Museum should be open after five
o'clo .k. The experiment was tried, but it did not suc-
ceed, for only seven persons per hour entered after that
time, and yet nearly 60 persons were required to be in
attendance. If he had the power the Museum should
remain open on Sundays, for it would afford a means of
amusement to the artisans, which would keep them from
the gin-shop. During the hours that the gin-shops were
open, he would open the National Gallery and the.
British Museum in competition. The artisans were fond
of going to the country on Sundays, but on rainy days
they had no resource but the gin-shop, unless they
adopted such measures. He would no longer detain the
Committee from more important business, but would
earnestly press white he had said on the attention of the
Government. In the year 1843 no less than 247,929
persons went over the establishment, and in
1845 no less than 685.858 persons went over
it. So large an attendance required more and
better attendance than was at present employed
He regretted, however, to state that the number of
visitors to the reading-room had decreased, as well as
the number of artists who used to attend. He did not
make these observations from any unwillingness to give
the money, but he certainly conceived that when so
large a sum was expended, it ought to be made as useful
as possible. He therefore recommended to his Hon.
Friend the course which he had pointed out, in order to
effect the saving he had wished.
Mr. EWART entirely agreed with the tenor of his
Hon. Friend's remarks, but he did not mean to address
his observations to the whole establishment, but simply
to the library. On the continent any man might enter
a public library without any restriction, and receive the
greatest civility from the librarians. In the British
Museum the rules were, that before any person could go
to read in the room, he must be introduced by some per-
son of respectability, or high rank. Any recommenda-
tion from a public man was the only satisfactory
reference, and the only one which would ob-
tteamin
existed
dssion nowherefor thebut aipuplicant. Such a sys-
tem
wyas n
a o
public evil. more, as he
England. He would
also ask, what was the use bf the nunaber of
duplicates of books ? Could they not found another
b ud
publicly
accommodation.uel
y called
attention library at Westminster with them, and so afford in-
creasedStr R. H. INGLIS said, that the complaint made by
the Hon. Member for Montrose was, that there was no
responsibility for the expenditure of this large suin. He
He
to would
wbat say
begged to say, that the responsibility existed with the
trustees, and it remained with the Chancellor of the
Exchequer to see their recommendations carried out.
The Hon. Member also said that the management should
be vested in a Board of iVlanagement ; but that, he
thought, would not be a wise course, nor would it lead
to a better system of management than now, The
Honourable Member had also said that the Museum
was only open for three days a week, but this
was nut the fact. It was really open for five.
days, There were certain days open to the general
public, while Tuesdays and Thursdays were open for
artists and men of science. Ho thought it was of great
advantage to the public that these parties should have
the opportunity of pursuing their studies in quietness,
which could not be the case if large bodies of people
Were passing through, and therefore it was a wise and
proper arrangement to have three days for the public,
and two for those engaged in artistic and scientific pur-
suits. With regard to children, it had been objected
that they .hould be denied admission under eight years
of age ; but as some limit must be made, he thought
that age a reasonable period of limitation. Before that
age, there was some danger of damage being done unless.
44;t1dren were well looked after. The Hon. Member who
"laiii,addressed the House (Mr. Ewart)conlplaineMOf the
way in which the library was managed, and the difficulty
of parties not being admitted without a pass. He (Sir
R. IL Inglis) believed that in Faris passes had to be ob-
tained before parties could be admitted into the public
library.
Mr. EWii.RT said that he had bean repeatedly in the
Paris library, and no pass whatever was required. •
at*. 0C44,5 sairiage,Y4o444 totile .040

which the *British 'Mußenal was epen they would find it
was open for a erca" r number of hours in the tear ihan
any other in Europe. Ile could also inirrin the house
Mu: 65000 nersons had read in the library I yeir,
ereati:r number of prrsons than had read in any other
library on the Continent. It was a gratifying fact that
not only the visitors but the readers of the library had
increased greatly during the last few years. The
former, according to the returns, had increased three-
fold the last six years. In speaking of foreign libraries,
and the access given to them, it ought to be observed
that there were secret police inside of them to watch
over the proceedings going on, whereas they had no
such thing as police inside of the British Museum.—
(Hear, hear.) lie begged leave to apologise for occupy-
ing the flop-e so lone in the ixplanation he had made.
Mr. P. BORTII WICK said, in speaking of the readers
of Ihe Paris library as compared with the British
Museum, they ought to hear in mind that Pat is was a
much sicaller c]ty than 14,.nd0n. Lie considered they
might adopt, wi:h advantage, the liberal arragements ot
the French Government.
Sir D. NORREYS wished to remind the Hon. Member
who last spoke, that the Paris library was only open to
the public For two days in the week.
Mr. BORTH WICK, in answer to that, would inform
the House that he knew from his own knowledge that
the library was open every day for students and those
who wished to read
Sir 1). NORREYS thought a Museum of this kind
ought to be a truly national institution and embrace
within it specimens in every department of science and
art, ho h national and historical relics, and specimens of
architecture.
An 11,N. MEMBER said he saw there was a sum of
10,000/. put down for the purchase of old books, now he
wisted to know what this was for?
Sir R. 11. INGLIS replied that the parties who had
charge of the library had made an elaborate report to
the trustees, in which they pointed out its deficiencies,
and amongst these deficiencies the library was sadly de-
fective in its stock ot old books. On the fact being
communicated to the Treasury, they generously agreed
to devote 10,000/. a year for purchasing collections of
old books to supply the deficiency.
The vote was then agreed to.
NAVY ESTIMATES.

Mr. WARD, in submitting to the House the remairz-
der of the navy estimates, chimed the indulg.-rce,of the
House in conssqueree of the slier time he had held hie
office, and said that had it nut be, n for the liberal aesis-
tance afforded to him by his predecessor, he should have
been unable to undertake the task. He then recapitu-
lated the votes which had been already granted by the
House for the number of men and wages, and proceeded ei
say that on vote No. 2, victual- for seamen arid marines,
there was an increase of 34,5031. in consequence of the
rise which had Oren place in the price of provisions.
To vote 4 he wished to call the attention of the Hoese ;
it was for a general register and record office for seamen.
The depart [emit was very ably matiaged by Lieutenan.
Brown, and it had operated as a great check upon de-
sertion in the merchant service, and also very bene-
ficially as regarded apprentices. lie looked upon this
office es a link between the royal navy and the merchant
service, the resource from which an efficient sup-
ply of trained sailors might he drawn in a case of need ;
and with, perhaps, slime additional inducement to enter
the neve, might, perhaps, prove the only rational sub-
stitute ftr tee power of impressment. No subject woulti
more occupy the attention tie hi colleagues during the
coming recess than this.—(Hear. hear.) With respect
to the seamet 's fund, the Board had been pressed to re-
vi.e a Bill introduced by the late Vice-President of the
Board t,f Trade, but it had net been thought advisable so
to do. The subject, however, should receive the fullest
eonsideratieti (hiring the recess. On the stile tific branch
of the estimate he would only remark that the in-
crease wets only 4701., and proceeded to the next
vote, which was for the staff of the dockyards and
fleet at home, on which there was an increase of
only about 1,0004 The next vote was for the foreign
establishments, arid amounted to 3,902/, being an in-
crease of 945/ over that of last year. Vote No. 8 was
a large one, being for the wages of artificers and
labourers eirpleyed in the home establishments, and it
amounted to 43 7201. The increase in the vote was caused
by the increased repairs lately rendered necessary, anti
partly by the substitution of tree fur convict labour, in
the dockyards, which was a considerable item in the
expenditure. Upon vote No. 10 for naval stores there
was a considerable increase Over last year The total of
the present vote was 1,636,426/, less 57,726/. for credits,
and the increase was 437,2851., which had been caused
by the increase of our establishments towards the close
of last year, and the large purchases of hemp, coal,
timber, and steam machinery which were consequently
necessary. Vote No. 11 was for new work% improve-
ments, and repairs, and the net increase upon this item
over last year was 40.464/. A principal expense had
been the substitution of iron roofs for those of wood
over the building slips, an improved plan, which he
hoped would be generally adopted on account of
the safety which was thus obtained ageinst accidents
and loss by fire. Other items of expenditure under
this head were 240,000/. for the new steam basin,
and 200,000/. for the steam factory at Portsmouth ;
but considering the creations of steam machinery on the
French coast, it was impossible that this country could
with respect to her own credit and safety remain behind.
—(Hear, hear.) The remaining votes were as follow:
Medicines, medical stores, &e., 21,273/.; miscellaneous
service, 71.075/ ; half-pay to officers of the navy and
royal marines, 705,4481.; military pensions for naval
service, 486,3221.; for packet service, 544,5871.; civil pen-
sions—freight on account of the army and ordnance
departments, 166,6261.; freight on account of the home
department, 92.8591 ; Post-offiee department (packet
service).673,lBol This list item defrayed the expenses
of the operations of the packet service department is
all quarters of the world to which our empire ex-
tended. He had gone through all these items with
as much brevity as possible, and he trusted that he
had not trespassed unwarrantably on the attention
of the House.—(Hear, hear.) No doubt the expendi-
ture was very large—seven and a half millions—and
it was only right that the most accurate scrutiny
should be exercised—(Hear, hear)— but he did not
think that it could be shown that the amount of the esti-
mate exceeded the requirements of the case.—(Hear.
hear.; For what had passed the present Beard of Ad
miralty was nut responsible. They had taken the vote,
and accounts as they had been bequeathed to them bi
their predecessors, but they must stay that they could
en no sufficient grounds for flitch) e fault with them.—
(Hear, hear.) He would not hold out delusive hop.s as
to the future. He thought there was nothing more to
be desired than candour, and in candour he was bowie
to say that he did not think that any reduction in this
estimate was either desirable or probeble, or cv in posse
bin, as bin, as the naval estabhshrnents of tither come
tries continued on the same fooAng that they now occu-
pied. In his opinion it would not be safe, nor fit, nor
honourable for England again to run the risk which,
on at least two occasions in the course of
the last five years, she had incurred of being
taken unawares and at disadvantage in the event of any
unfereseen emergency suddenly ari-ing.—(Hear, hear.)
Such had ben the neglect of •lisir naval establishments,
that
rf (pee,,te,,ietiluteir
ries fl a ttliemsse
v‘oictchastiteir::!ra (el yi,usnudtrieesn
hr,t,idp rupture
or
fortunately occurred, we should have been found totally
unprepared for warfare. Such a state of things ought
never again to be permitted.—(Hear, hear.) It was be•
cause of a not unnatural unwillingness on the part of the
authorities of the Admiralty to cause alarm amongst
other nations that su'h a state of things had arisen, and
that there was unhappily wanting that concentration of
resources, which in a great naval establishment was es-
tentially requisite, in order that the country might not
he vulnerable, and which had not been realised until
within a very recent period.—(Hear, hear.) Up to the
present time Woolwich was the only steem .factoi'y of
any description we possessed, those at Plymouth and
Portsmouth not being as yet complete ; and surely it
could not be contended that this was sufficient for
oura e
s
ter
regard
r abeing n hadand to on
otherthe foreignpa rtparts
osft steam
navies e
world. There was one desirable reform which he was
exigencies,on th e edi
very anxious to see accomplished—he meant an im-
provement in the mode of manning the navy, for he did
not think it was right or at all judicious to rely on the
system of improvement for meeting any very serious
emergency.—(Hear, hear.) It was a coarse and rude
expedient, not to be trusted to for the manning of such
a navy as that of England in the event of a maritime
war.—(Hear, hear.) It was unsafe and imprudent to
have recourse in such an emergency to untrained and
unskilful men, who knew nothing of the practice or
science of gunnery.—(Hear.) It would be better far to
fall back upon the judicious system of recalling those
elements of strength, which were now scattered al
_ _

over the world—the seamen engaged in our mercantile
navy.—(Hear, hear.) Besides, he considered the
habit which now prevailed a foolish and irrational one,
that of disbanding and breaking up the whole crew of
a ship when she came home after a voyag,e. and leav-
ing the men with perhaps no other resource for
livelihood than to go into foreign services.—(frear.
hear.) These were matters which must engage the
serious attention of the present Board of Admiralty,
whose object it should be to improve on the example of
their predecessors. Their principal study should be to
organise, complete, and systematise the plans which
already existed. and to propose such new ones as might
seem good. He (At-. Ward) felt no hostility to any
country whatever, nor entertained any aggressive view
in any quarter.—(Hear, hear.) lie twit as deep an
anxiety as any other person could possibly entertain,
that the world's peace should be preserved, but he was
sure that the bi.st stcurity for the continwinee of tran-
quillity and good order was the conviction on the part
of other nations, that as far as we were concerned, we.

would not permit a breach of peace to be attempted
with impunity.—(Hear, hear.) Our strength was the
best security for the peace of the world—(Hear, hear)
—end this conviction on the part of other countries
would be best promoted by a proper organisation of the
vast resources in ships end men, which England pos.
sessed to such a❑ extent, and which, it made available,

would still continue to render this country the Ina- t
illustrious for her maritime er,tahlishment it, the world.
The question having been put on the first vote,
Sir C. NAPIER admitted that he had listened with
great pleasure to the speech of the Hon. Gentleman the
Secretary of the Admiralty, who had shown a degree of
information which was exceedingly creditable to him,
and which it was Ittil,e.d not a Ibtle surprising to find in
elle who had been for so short a time in the department
with which he was at present connected.--(Hear, hear.)
He was really at a loss to think how the lion. Gentle-
Trilvo.matvgo to have concentrated such a mass of in-
formation within so f3rW a period. He had aminged it,
too, in a systematic and perspicuous manner, and he (Sir
Charles Napier) could with truth affirm that a clearer
elucidation of the who'e system of the navy he had
never heard. He concurred unreservedly in almost
(14.44- erery proposition that hal fallen from the Hon.
Gentleman, and particularly approved of what he had
said ',,l'espeeting the mode of manning the navy.—
Wal-A144 i(4k4utoly t 430 tom,.

opinion with
.the lion. Member as to its be g rx-
ceedingl, improper and, indeed, exec( tritie-ly
dish ree arable t teis country, that tire navai
establ'shinent should ever be in r•-u-h a condi-lon thet
in the event of a sudden emergency` we should 1-,‘ tak n
at a disadvantage.—(Hear, hear.) Evert thing ought
certainly to be ready at a moment's warnine, so that we
might never be taken by surprise,—(Hear, hear.) He
trusted that the new Board of Admiralty would look
vigilantly to the discharge of their duties, and display
more zeal and ability than their predecessors in office, of
whom, by the way, he was surprised to find that only
one had thought it worth his while to be present in his
place on the present occasion.--(Hear.) . The mode of
manning the navy was unquestionably a matter. of the
most serious importance. In the year 1841 it vies the
opinion of him (Sir C. Napier), and of several ether
naval officers whose opinions might be supposed to be of
some ealee, that the navy was very imperfectly manned.
The Riglallon. Baronet, who then came into power, ad-
mitted that he was of the same opinion, and ac-
cordingly introduced a scale on which the service was
for the future to be supplied, but he did not, follow up
his own system, and the consequence was that there
was still great cause of complaint in this department.
No ships, it had been said, were for the future to. be sent
out to sea which were not manned in admirable style.
There were, however, seven or eight sail of the line
which were now afloat. Would it be contended that
the sail of the line now afloat were manned in admirable
style? Quite the contrary. He had no hesitation in
saying they were improp rly manned. If they were in-
spected, it would be found that they were manned not
.witie a first-rate crew, but with a crew two nets below
that, and that the ships were filled up with marines.—
(Hear, hear.) He asked any naval officer in command
of a man-of war whether he would prefer having the
number of marines on board doubled, rather than to
have her properly manned with competent seamen?—
(Hear, hear.) The system was a most improper one,
and he protested against it accordingly. The Gallant
Officer opposite (Captain Berkeley), whom he was de-
lighted to find again a Lord of the Admiralty, had left
that department some years ago under circumstances as
honourable as those under which any public man ever
resigned office.—(Hear ) He went out because he could
not see the navy manned as he wished it to be. It was
to be hoped that his opinion on this important subject
had undergone no ehange, but that now that he was in
•.ffice, he would abide manfully by the views which he
had promulgated so emphatically when out of power,
and take care that no ships should go to sea that were
not manned in the first style, and in all respects pro-
perly equipped.—(Elear, hear.) He trusted that if the
Gallant Officer and the other new authoritieS at the Ad-
miralty manifested a desire to effect these desirable
charges, the llouse of Commons would back then xa-
lously,
.and supply them in a generous spirit with the
funds requisite for carrying these prrjects -nto exeriu-
tion,-(Hear.) • He would not, on the present occasion,
trespass on the attentiun of the House by discussing the
votes one by one, having on Tuesday evening addressed
thein on the subject at considerable length ; but there
was one vote he could not forbear alluding to. It was
that which was designed to cover the expenses
of 'the dockyards and naval stores. The money
here. votsd appeared to him to be quite too pro-
fuse. If any thing like order or economy had pre-
Ya-led-he.certainly did think that they might have dimi-
nished a million and a half of money in the xpenses of
;he dock yards and stores.—(llear, -hear.) He had here
again to complain, a. he had cempiairred a thousand
times before, of the grosi defects of our present system
a naval architecture. The ships which were constructed
under that systetu—he wou:d not say
.of them LILA the)
were absolute failure,—but he certainly thought, and
every naval officer must say the same, LII:J.L they were,
had men-of-war. They looked very chsrtmegly in
harbour, but to judge of them preperly you shouel see
them in a gale et* wind, when it would be found that
they would roll 45 degrees leeward, and 43 degrees
windward. He trusted that the-new Board of Admiralty
would perceive the evils of the present system, and ac-
knowledge the necessity of adopting a new plan. There
was another point he was anxious to allude to. He meant
the enormous expense which had been incurred since 1801)
in cutting down'ships of war. They had recently taken
f air 72 curt ships and four frigates—good men-of-war, or
t least fair men of-war—and these they had cut down
to make block-ships of.—(llear.) The practice was an
inexcusable one: Why should men-of. war be thus eacri-
fice.t? If block ships were required, what was easier
than to take old hulks, mount-guns on them, and to tow
them by steam boats to the positions it was desirable
they should occupy? The cost of repairing these,block-
ships had been set down at 18,000/, but he would take
upon, him to say that the cost of these ships would not
be less than twenty thousand pounds a piece.— (Hear,
hear.) Independent of that, there were engin+ s put
into them at an enormous expense, and he would
answerfor this, that those four sail of the line and four
frigates, when transmogrified into block-ship,, would cost
no less than half a million of money. Let them but
wait until they had obtained a bill of expenses, and they
would find that they would cost little less than the sum
he had mentioned: And what was the use of them?
Why, they would be absolutely useless. They would be
put in dock with the machinery on board, and they
would be totally useless altogether Perhaps he would
be told, •` Oh, no, those vessels are intended to go to sea ;
we will send them into the Downs." He (Sir C. Napier)
asked, could they not send six vessels into the
Downs with the same facility ? Now, suppose those
block-ships wero in the Downs and a westerly wind set
in, and the enemy instead of going to the Downs pro-
ceeded to Plymouth, those block-ship; might be able
to sail not more than five or six mil. a an hour, while the
enemy's vessels could sail ten or twelve miles in the
same time, and what then, he (Sir Charles Napier)
risked, what then'-would become of the block-ships ?
(Hear, hear.) Now, with respect to their steam-boats,
he complained of the mode in wnich they were built.
He went on board of one the other ::ay in Woolwich, and
she was exactly in the same position as the first steam
boats they had built, and the engines and other parts
were exposed to shot. He, therefore, conceived that
they should change the present system. It was per-
fectly easy to do so, and he was sure that they would
find that it would do a great deal of good. He
had been allowed to build a steam man-of war, and
he had arranged that it should carry provisions for
two hundred men, but when he went to look at the
esteblislunent of the Sidon, a paper from the Admiralty
was shown to him, and that paper stated that she was to
carry provisions for 240 men. But if they were to tit
her out with a view to carry the order of the Admiralty
into execution, she would, like other steam bats, be too
deep in the water to be Useful.—(Hear. hear.) He would
suggest that the present Board of Admiralty should
forte) some sort of commission, to investigate arid report
what was th=l• proper system of building steam Pats. and
thus save the country from the error useus lasses to which
it was subject during every year for the lest t wenty years.
The Secretary of the Admiralty had said that steam-
boats were in their infarcy. Yes, they were so in the
navy ; but it was not so in the merchant service. They
were in their infancy for the last twenty years in the
navy, and hew long would it be before they came to
Maturity ? If th.y went to Scotia-A,. Liverpool, and
Ireland, they would find steem•boats beloeging to the
merchant service that c earl ',Land every weather-(Hear.)
Sir G. COCKBURN ff It, alter the statement which
had been me& by the Gallant Oifiser on his left (Sir
Charles Napier) that it was quite right he shoulei say a
word on the subject. In the first-place, it was said that
after they (the late Board of Admiralty) came into
office, they agreed in thinking that shipssof-war should
go to sea fully manned ;but at the same time, with re-
spect -to the ships that were kent in the Channel, he
explained at the time--two or three years ago—he telt
that they could exercise those ships without being fully
manned. They were enabled, with tee sum they got
from Parliament, to send mere vessels where they were
wanted—tor instance, to Brazil and China—than if they
had those vessel: of the line fully manned at home. As
to sending a doulde number of marines on board, it was
exceedingly useful if they were looking out for the
chance of a war, for a portion of them were lately en-
listed, who were fit to act as soldiers, but it was ne-
cessary to have some experience at sea.--(Hear, hear.)
He was old enough to remember the last war, when
they were obliged to put soldiers on board, and they all
got dead sick.—(Hear, hear.) In the event of a war
they had now a vote for 40,000 men; but if they had the
vessels fully manned, they should have 43,000 or 44,000
men. They should, he repeated, send the marines to sea,
to get sea legs, and give practice to the officers and men.
As to the next charge, with respect to the cutting down
of the block-ships, the House would remember that it
was not a proposal of the Admiralty at all. There was
an order from the Government to appoint a commission
to visit all their ports, and see what was necessary to be
done for-their protection, in consequence of the French
having got a steam navy. That commission went round
to the different ports, and -the recommendation ;of that
commission was adopted by the Government, requiring
that a certain number of line-of-battle ships and
of frigates, should be prepared to aid the batteries
in the different petitions in which they might be
attacked, and it was thought wise that a screw propeller
should be put to each of them to enah:e them to shift
their positron from side to side, where the attack of the
enemy made it necesary. One of those vessels was to
be completed with the screw, and the order was that
others were not to be completed until that one was tried.
His Hon. and Gallant Friend had stated that they had
not a steamer that was a periect man-of-war. They had
often heard that statement before, and it was contra
dieted over again. He might mention an officer
known to the country, Sir Edmond Lyoes, now 11,1inisti r
of Greece, and in his opinion the Terrible and I/Nast:a-
-1 tion were most erlici vessels. The Ginn .1. (French
vessel) was not to be compared to the Devatriatiee;
and it
was quire right in his (Sir G. Cockburn'-) opinion
they had ships of the size in France, that in England
the seine de" •
they ehould have some ships of
tion, and therefore it was that those ships w. descrip-
tion,e built.
Sir CHARLES NA.PIER sail thet what he said wes
that not one of our stearn-rassele was fitted for'
war, as their b and their werk; acrelss:t hal,..!,ll,hant-'(!af-t
a shot would a remently injure them. int he de-
sired was that tire Government would order a survey ef
the spansdwelt!. and rep rrt what vees, Is were fit
for ear.
RERKELEY.con;idered that there had been
too much amateur building of vessels for service. The
difficuly wits to have their men of-war properly monied;
and he, in his official capacity. would erdeavour to
remedy that dee-ct. "
Captain PECIIELL was not one of those who were
accustomed to assert that they had not a good
and serviceable navy.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped
that the promise given would be persevered in.
gavet him great eatisfaction to have heard what had
failed from the Hon. Member, the Secretary of the Ad-
miralty, with regard to the manning of our ships; and
he hoped that when he found himself under such restric-
tions as not to be able to do justice to the British sea-
men, he would at once give up his post of authority.
The Hon. Secretary had very clearly explained the
amount of votes, but he had not shown so distinctly how f
he intended to apply them. They had not been told I
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Diu) John
On the 19th inst., at S..uth,m;pton, the Rev'
Gooch, Rectsr of Binegar„Somerseiskire. 11 10ogin°
On the 20th inst., at Kingstown;Rear-Admiral • ra til•
On the 214 inst., at Gravesend, R. I's`l., to, gfr
On the 22dinst., at Beaumont-street, Portlo4l—~uUet
ChergQ Foreman.
Newington, 11 bert
On the 22d inst., at Stoke Newio, Mr•
relict of the 10
t;vans.
On the 23d inst., at Brixton, Mrs. Biggs,
Mr. R. Biggs,

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