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London, England, 1846-08-14 00:00:00

BILL.

Lord BROUGHAM presented several petitions against this
Bill.

ROBERT OWEN.

Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from Robert
Owen, late of New Lanark, praying that their Lordships would
found a system of national education on the principles which
he had adopted in his several establishments.

On the 'motion of Lord CAMPBELL, the Mandamus
(Ireland) Bill, the Interpleader Bill, ar d the Citation (Scot-
land) B 11, were severally read a third time and pure&
THE EARL OE DUNDONALD'S INVENTION.
. .

Lord BROUGHAM wished to ask to ask the Noble Lord at
the head of the Admiralty, whether he proposed to investigate
the merits of the invention of the Earl of Dundonald, as he un-
derstood that the discovery of Captain Warner was shortly to
be put to the test.
Lord AUCKLAND said, it would be exceedingly desirable
that the invention should be test-d, and a commission would be
appointed for that purpose.
Lord BROUGHAM hoped that the utmost secrecy should
be observed in the trial.
Lord AUCKLAND intimated that this would be done.
WASTE LANDS (AUSTRALIA) BILL.
Earl GREY proposed the second reading of this Bill.
LLEFT SITTING. I

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
(Cintinued from our Afternoon Edition.)
SUPPLY.

The House then resolved itself into a Committee of Supply,
Mr. GREENE in the chair.

The first rote was that a sum not exceeding 132,0001. be
granted for the purpose of purchasing meal, potatoes, &c., for
those distr,c's in Ireland afflicted by the potato blight.
Mr. WILLIAMS protested against the justice of the vote.
He contended that the landlords of Ireland should be com-
pelled to feed their own poor. The land of that country was
quite fertile enough to support its people, if it were properly
cultivated. If this vote were granted, it would be a grievous
injustice to the poor people of this country. There was no secu-
rit y for the repayment of this money by the people of Ireland. He
distinctly asked the late Chancellor of the Exchequer, at the
commencement of this session, whether any more money than
the sum then granted (50,0001.) would be required, and he as
distinctly told him that it would not.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that as
there would be a full discusion as to measures affecting Ire-
land at twelve o'clock on Monday next, when he would
propose a further grant ; he therefore hoped that all discus-
sion at present might be postponed until that period.
The Earl of LINCOLN said that he was quite willing
to justify the conduct of the late Government on this subject,
but if it was agreeable to the House he would abstain from
saying anything until Monday.—( Hear, hear.)
The vote was then agreed to.
The sum of 20,000/. was then voted for the relief of the
sufferers from the late fire at Newfoundland.
1 130,0001. having been propesad for the relief of the sufferers
from the recent calamity at Quebec,
Mr. HUME said that in his opinion the vote was rather too
small.

The vote was agreed to.
20,000/. was then proposed for enlarging and improving
Buckingham Palace. to which
Mr. BRINE objected. He did not see the necessity of the
change, and the sum proposed was too great.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained
the grounds or, which the sum was asked. Her Majesty had
been subjected to very great inconvenience from the present
want of proper accomodation at the palace, and the same in-
convenience had been felt by her predecessor. He
wished the House to bear in mind that this was
the first sum ever asked by her Majesty for any improve-
ments since her accesssion to the Throne.—( Hear, hear.)
The total expense of the improvements at the palace would
amount to 150,0001, but the sum asked for at present was only
20,0004, leaving 130,0001. to be provided in future years.
Mr. PRUTHEROE said that the present building was not
at a!1 befitting the dignity of the British Sovereign, and he
thought that the better plan to accommodate her Majesty
would be by assigning part of St. James's Park to her exclu-
sive use, and that the public would agree to such an arrange-
ment, if Pall-mall were continued, so togive a direetcommu-
nication between 'Trafalgar-square and the Chelsea-road.
Mr. BERNAL said that the present site of the palace was
one of the worst in the metropolis. The neighbourhood would,
however, be improved by judicious arrangements. He denounced
the system of the Government in erecting a building without
taste, and in the most undesirable situations, and afterwards
coming to the country for continual bits and hits of money,
until a perfect monstrosity of art was the result.—( Hear, hear. )
Captain PECH ELL trusted that, as• the people of Brighton
surrendered, some years ago, one of the principal entrances to
the town, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, now that he was
providing comfort and accommodation for her Majesty, which
he by no means objected to, would take steps to place the
inhabitants of Brighton in the same position they were in pre-
vious to the erection of the Pavilion.—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. HUME thought, before they laid out any more money
on Buckingham Palace, they ought to consider whether the
building was placed in such a position as to
be convenient for the public. He did not think it
was, and he, for one, would be glad to see
the question postponed till next session.—( Hear, hear. )
It was not out of any objection to the architect that he was
opposed to this Bill, but merely from a conviction
of the advantages that would result from a further in-
quiry into this subject. It could not be said that
Parliament was niggardly with respect to palaces, for within
his own time 2,000,0004 had been expended on this subject.
He thought that until there had been plans laid before them, they
ought not to lay out a farthing on Buckingham Palace fur-
ther than was necessary to keep it in repair. These ought
to be placed before the proper tribunal to decide upon this sub-
ject. He thought that 4,000/. or 5,0001. was rather too much
for broken glass.—(Laughter.) He would, therefore, propose
that the House should postpone the consideration matter till next
session.

Lord LINCOLN said, he thought it was only
necessary to state to the House that her Majesty was not at pre-
sent properly accommodated. He could assure the Hon. Gen-
tleman, that if they (the late Ministry) had remained in
race they would have proposed this very vote.
When he held office his attention had been directed
to this matter, and it was found that the palace was
by no means suited to the wants of her Majesty, and
a commission was appointed to inquire into the mat-
ter, amongst whom were Mr. Barry and Sir James
Clark, the architects, who were of opinion that such
was the case. He trusted that under these circumstances
the Hon. Gentleman would conceive it right to withdraw his
opposition.—( Hear, hear.) It was perfectly impossible to over-
rate the manner in which her Majesty acted with respect to de-
wands on the public, and when he was in office he had even to
suggest the necessity of making such demands.
Mr. HUME said he would pull down Buckingham Palace,
and put it where Kensington Palace was, where they would
have a good soil. If they expended a million on Buckingham
Palace, they would never make it useful for the purpose they
proposed, but they might make it a museum for the public.
Mr. WILLIAMS said he had never known of such pro-
ceedings as the votes which had been granted for such purposes
as the present. He had as much regard for the convenience
of her Majesty as any one, but he thought the present vote un-
called for, particularly when there was so large a portion of her
Majesty's subjects in a state of utter destitution. He thought
that those who were complaining of these expenditures were the
true friends of monarchy.
The Earl of LINCOLN would put it to the House whether
the extra expenses that had taken place had not been for the
benefit of the public, and at the suggestion of a majority of
that House ? _

Mr. WILLIAMS admitted he had never found a more
efficient officer at the head of the Woods and Forests than the
Noble Lord.
Lord J. RUSSELL was happy to hear the Hon. Member for
Coventry make such an admission, but he thought, when he took
upon himself to make assertions he should take care to be more
accurate ; nothing could be more incorrect than the statement
he had made that eight palaces had been kept up for the sove-
reign. He believed, considering the convenience that the
Sovereign required, the country could not do less than keep up
the Palace of Windsor and Buckingham Palace; and
as to the suggestions of the Honourable Member for
Montrose of appropriating Buckingham Palace to a
public museum arid building a palace at Kensington, he
thought. that entirely out of the question. He trusted that
next year they would have something more handsome to look
at, and something more commodious for the comfort of her
Majesty, than Buckingham Palace at present presented.
After some observations from Captain PECHELL,
was that the further
Mr. PROTHEROE said he would vote against the grant
effAecitr,. wHouulNdiEaccsaoimdptlh6aht.
under the hope that something better would be done for the
accommodation of her Majesty than the grant, if carried into
consideration of this grant should be postponed till inquiry
could be made upon the subject. He thought he should be
only doing his duty by dividing the House upon the grant if
the Government persevered in it.
his only object
After some observations from Mr. GOULBURN and the
CHANCELLOR of the Excnectuima,
The Committee divided, when their appeared—
For the vote ............................ ........ 55a

Against it ................................. ••.."""'
Majority for the vote —49
4,5001. was next voted to make good the damage to palaces
and public buildings by the storm of the Ist of August.
30,0001. was next proposed in payment of part of the ex.