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London, England, 1848-06-01 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 31.
ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIEF BILL.
Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE said—That the Jesuits were a
most dangerous sect might be seen from the policy
they had been pursuing of late in various Euro-
pean countries. Wherever they had gained a footing
their intrigues invariably led to dissensions and dis-
turbances, for they generally managed to get in like
lambs, and afterwards to act like wolves .—(Hear, hear.)
He wished no expulsion of the Jesuits, but he appealed
to the Government not to legalize or further empower
that order which at present was subject to no inconve-
nience, and ought to be within the reach of the law if
they desired to preserve the peace of the king-
dom. The Papal power, to secure its own ends,
was now lending itself to democratic movements.
But he did not believe that the Jesuits in England
would be so infatuated as to attempt any movement, for
if they once showed themselves, an overwhelming power
would rise up which would at once put a stop to any
ulterior objects they might have in view. He trusted,
in conclusion, that the House would not allow itself to
be led away by such a Bill, and do violence to the know-
ledge and feelings of Churchmen and Dissenters, but
allow those laws to remain which the experience of
years had proved were essential to the preservation of
the Established Church of this country.—(Cheers.)
The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY said that the
Jesuits had always, whether under a despotic, mo-
narchical, or republican form of government, given their
support to the governing powers, and avoided creating
any disaffection. In the late war between America and
Mexico the American Government had invited the
Jesuits to accompany their army, in order to afford it
that assistance which the country so much required.
Mr. NAPIER said the Bill had a disguised object in
view which was hid under the cloak of another. He

wished to let the Roman Catholics have complete
• toleration, and if they could show him that they were
suffering under any pains and penalties, he did not
hesitate to say that he would stand up in
the House or elsewhere to assert their rights.
He believed that the adoption of the amendment of his
Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for Cambridge
was the right course to pursue, and he should therefore
support it.
Mr. FAGAN opposed the amendment, because its
object was avowedly to retain that part of the Catholic
Emancipation Act which inflicted the greatest injustice
OR the Catholic clergy.
Sir R. H. INGLIS supported the amendment
of the Hon. Member for Cambridge, and in doing so he
begged to state that he regarded no portion of the Bill
with any degree of favour.—(Hear, hear.) But, be-
lieving that by adopting the amendment the most ob-
jectionable part of the Bill would be got rid
of, he felt no hesitation as to the course he ought to pur-
sue. To reason he would yield everything, but to,me-
nace and threat, nothing. He had heard nothing in the
way of argument that induced him to think the Bill ne-
cessary, but everything that convinced him its provi-
sions were totally uncalled for. At this stage of the Bill,
and at all others, he would give his most determined op-

position to it.
Mr. SHEIL opposed the amendment, and cited Lord
Stanley's statements in 1829, in which he commended
the course adopted by the Jesuits in Lancashire, in order
to refute the assertions that had been made against
them. He believed that the object of the amendment
was to delay the further progress of the Bill, and he
should therefore vote against it.
Mr. HENRY DRUMMOND said he could not have
lived so long without being convinced that there was a
broad distinction between the Papists of books and real
live Roman Catholics.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
But he rose more immediately to state that he had no
objection to portions of this Bill, but he altogether pro-
tested against the House fancying that it could i
suc-
cessfully make laws for the regulation of religious
bodies.—(Hear, hear.)

After a few words from Sir H. WILLOUHGLIBY,
The House divided, when their appeared--
For Mr. Law'.i amendment
Against it
.. 129
Majority for the amendment -13
Tho House then went into Committee on the Bill.

Sir H. WILLOUGHBY moved that the Chairman do
leave the chair.

Mr. MORGAN J. O'CONNELL protested against
the motion, and called upon the majority who had
carried the amendment to show by their votes upon this
unjust motion, that they were sincere in their object of
dividing the Bill into two parts.
Mr. GOULBURN must also join with his Hon. Friend
in hoping that this motion would not be persevered in.
Sir R. H. INGLIS contended that the motion was
perfectly fair and regular, and no doubt it had been
made by his Hon. Friend to afford the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman an opportunity of withdrawing
the present Bill and introducing two fresh ones.
Mr. BERNAL said the practice usually followed in
cases like this was for the Hon. Member who had charge
of the Bill to state where the Bill should end, and the
other should commence.

After a few words from Mr. LAW, who appeared to
be in favour of the motion,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he could see no
difficulty in the Committee following the course recom-
mended by the Hon. Chairman. _ _ _

Mr. LAW said before they could proceed further they
must carry out the instruction of the House, namely,
divide the Bill into two points.

After a few words from Mr. HUME,
Mr. WALPOLE observed that in 1846 a similar in-
struction was given by the House in reference to a
similar Bill to this that had been introduced by Mr. Wat-
son, and the course pursued then was exactly that pro-
posed on the present occasion.
Mr. C. ANSTEY said it was his intention to proceed
with this Bill, agreeing to strike out the clause relating
to the act of 10 Geo. IV., and leaving that clause to
be dealt with by a separate Bill.
After some further discussion, the motion was with-
drawn.

Mr. J.STAFFORD moved that the Chairman report
progress, and ask leave to sit again, in order that Mr,
Anstey might have an opportunity of dividing the Bill
into two Bills.

After a few observations from Sir J. GRAHAM,
Mr. ANSTEY said, after the expression of opinion on
both sides of the House, he would not oppose the motion
of the Hon. Gentleman. He would also follow the ad-
vice of the Hon. Member for Kerry, and consent to the
reports on the Bills being brought up upon a Monday,
and the House going into Committee pro forma upon them.
Mr. AGLIONBY was in favour of the House going
on with the Bill.

Sir R. H. INGLIS thought it would be much the wiser
course to at once put the motion for the Chairman to
report progress and ask leave to sit again, so that in the
meantime the Hon. Member (Mr. Anstey) might con-
sider what course it was best for him to adopt.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For reporting progress lll
Against it
Majority —so
The Committee then proceeded with the consideration
of the clauses of the Bill until Six o'clock, when the
Chairman left the chair, and the House adjourned.

ELECTION COMMITTEES.
(YESTERDAY.)
DUBLIN.
The arguments in reference to the genuine-N•ess of the
poll-books were resumed. It would seem, from the
statements on both sides, that one of the sheriff's de-
puties delivered his polling-books after the election to a
party who represented himself to be a messenger of the
sheriff himself, bin who subsequently turned out to be
nothing of the sort- Two books were, however, returned
to the sheriff by the committee of Grogan and Gre-
gory, who reprersanted them to be those which the
preteeded messenger had received from the deputy, but
Mr. Reynolds positively insisted that they were not the
original books, but the books used by the private poll-
clerks of Grogan and Gregory.
The Committee decided that the books were genuine,
and after some further discussion the books were
allowed to be put in.
Mr. SMYTH, the sitting Member's agent, subsequently
applied to the Committee to revise the books, on the
ground that they kad been erroneously calculated.
The Committee refused the application.
Mr. Ssurna then asked for an adjournment, on the
ground that he could not procure the attendance of
counsel.
This application. was acceded to, and the Committee
accordingly adjouriled till to-morrow.

LEICESTER.
Mr. MACALTLEY having summed up the evidence in
favour of the petitiioner,
Mr. CROWDER .addressed the Committee at great
length on behalf ot' Sir Joshua %Valaisley.
At the close of the Learned Gentleman's address, the
room was cleared, and the Committee having deliberated
for a short time, strangers were re-admitted, when
The CIIAIRMA.Y announced that the Committee had
come to the folloering resolutions:—" That Sir Joshua
Walmsley, Knig.xt, and Richard Gardner, Esq.,
were not duly elected at the last election to
serve in the present Parliament, as burgesses
for the borough of Leicester; that the last elec-
tion for the said borough was a void election ; that
Sir Joshua Walmsley, Knight, and Richard Gardner,
Esq., were by their agents guilty of bribery at the
last election, but it was not proved that such bribery was
committed with the .knowledge or consent of the said
Sir Joshua Walmsloy or Richard Gardner, Esq."
This closed the labours of the Committee.

.I.lL` A 1( COMMITTEES.
(YESTERDAY.)
GROUP No. 3. -- MANCHESTER, MATLOCK, AND
MIDLAND.—This cas 5 was opened and evidence received
in favour of the Bill.
GROUP No. 5. NEWPORT AND PONTYPOOL.—Case
further considered, a ad evidence taken in its favour.
GROUP No. 7.--110TSTON AND HITCHIN EXTEN-
SION TO CAmBRIDGEL—The whole day was occupied
with evidence in favour of the Bill.
GROUP No. 8.- -LONDON AND SOCTII-WESTERN
(TAW VALE PURCHILSE).—Case further proceeded with,
and evidence taken in its favour.
GROUP No. 10. —DUNDEE AND PERTH (DUNDEE
JUNCTION).—CIausos agreed to, and the Bill ordered to
be reported.
DUNDEE AND AHD ROAT/L—Clau3es agreed to, and
Bill ordered to be rep irted.
GROUP No.
12.—BIRMINGIIAM AND OxiroaD.---The
Committee passed the Bill to enable the Great Western
Company to lay flown. the broad gauge from Fenny
4. i 7 gpton to Birmingh%-n, subject to the revision of the
---fioarli_of Trade.
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