The Sun.
London, England, 1846-05-29 00:00:00

LATER FROM THE SEAT OF WAR.
REPORT THAT POINT ISABEL HAS BEEN TAKEN BY THE

MEXICANS.

PHILADELPHIA, THURSDAY, 7 P.M.—The editors of the Baltimore
Sun have received the following dispatch from their Washington cor-
respondent by telegraph, which contains items of verbal information
from Point Isabel of considerable interest. The following intelligence
received at Washington by the Southern Mail was transmitted to
Baltimore by telegraph, and thence by letter to this city by mail. I
have conversed with Mr. It. J. Ogden. a sutler attached io the United
States army, who has this moment arrived in a southern boat. He
left Point Isabel on the 28th ult. There were then about 350 men at
that port who -could be depended on. The armament consisted of
two 18-pounders, nine 6-pounders, and every man had a musket. The
Point was surrounded by a ditch four feet deep and six wide. They
were digging to make it twelve feet wide and six deep. Point Isabel
was completely cut off from the army, having had no communication
for two days. The guides started from the Point to the camp, but
were compelled to return,

The very latest advice.s left no doubt that General Taylor was com-
pletely surrounded. No danger is apprehended, however, to our
gallant band, except from starvation, they being strongly entrenched.
It is said that a more gallant officer than General Taylor never lived.
The supposition was that the Texa Volunteers from Galveston, by
the steamer Monmouth, would be the first to reach Point Isabel.
Companies from Fort Pike, H. F. T. Wood, under command of
Colonel B. K. Pierce, of let Artillery, and companies F. Infantry,
from Jefferson Barracks, were to leave N. C. on the 6th (Wednesday
week), and would probably reach Point Isabel in 70 hours.
Captain Thornton and Lieutenant Mason were still missing, with-
out any information as to their safety. Up to the evening the last
express left the camp there were no tidings of them then, and none
since.

The Propeller Florida was expected to be the next to reach New
Orleans. It is said that Governor Edwards of New Orleans arrived
here this evening direct from Mobile, and states that it is currently
reported, and believed there, that Point Isabel is captured.
POSTSCAIPT.—We have the advices to the 2d of May, and then
Point Isabel was safe, but the letter gives no further particulars. This
comprises all of the slightest interest, with the exception of military
movements at the south, that has been received by the mail.
STILL FURTHER FROM THE SEAT OF WAR
(From the New York Daily Tribune.)
The New Orleans, Tropic of the 7th has Galveston dates to the 2d
by the Telegraph at that port. She left Galveston on Sunday, 3d
inst., at noon.

At 4r. m. steam-ship New York about 50 miles from Galveston.
The Civilian of the 2d says :—We understand the U. S. schr. Flirt
was endeavouring to get over the bar into Brazos St. Sago, in order
to co-operate mere effectually in the defence of the depot and posi-
tion at the mouth of the river. Captain Sympton, of the Alert, was
assisting in the object, having taken off some of the Flirt's guns in
order to reduce her draught of water.
The steamer Monmouth left on Friday, the let instant, for Brazos
St. lago, with a number of volunteers for the army under General
Taylor. The short time of her stay was not sufficient for many,
who desired to go, to get ready, but others will doubtless soon
follow.

General Johnson has just reached town. He is a soldier in whom
our citizens have confidence as a leader, and can doubtless raise a
company or two in Galveston. I doubt not a general and immediate
turn out bf the har ly and experienced soldiers of Western Texas, to
be followed by the whole state as rapidly as the occasion which'de-
mands their services shall become known.
General Taylor has not cried woolf until he has seen the animal,
and those who go need not fear disappointment in findi, g the wily
beast, as ample opportunity will doubtless present itself to those who
desire to do so, on the other aide of the Rio Grande if not on this.

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A deputation on the subject of the broad gauge had
an interview with Sir George Clerk yesterday at the
office of the Board of Trade. The deputation consisted
of the Earls of Devon, Suffolk, Jersey, Dartmouth,
Courtown, and Falmouth. Lords—Camoys,' Sherborne,
Hatherton, Sudeley, Barrington, M.P. ; James Stuart,
M.P. •, Norreys, M P. ; Villiers, M.P. ; Chelsea, M.P.,
and Duncan, M.P. Sirs—Thomas Acland, Bart., M.P.;
Charles Lemon, Bart., M.P. ; William Molesworth,
Bart., M.P.; Robert Price, Bart., M.P., and Watkin W.
Wynne, Bart., M.P. Colonel Acton, M.P.; Mr. Charles
Buller, M.P.; the Hon. Robert Clive, M.P.; the Hon.
Hugh Cholmondeley, M.P. Messieurs W. H. R. Carew,
M.P.; Thomas Gill. M.P.; G. H. W. Heneage, M.P.;
B. Hawes, M.P.; W. G. Hayter, M.P.; Robert Holland,
M.P.; the Hon. General Lygon, M.P.; Walter Long,
M.P.; David Morris, M.P.; J. Neold, M,P.; S.
Pakingt, .n, M.P.; Charles Russell, M.P.; Henry Tufnell,
M.P., and C. Turner. M.P. The Mayors of 'Bristol,
Exeter, Falmouth, Weymouth, and Worcester. The
lion. James Dutton, the Hon. Ralph Dutton, and Captain
Bulkeley. Messieurs Thomas Were Fox, Alfred For,
M. Grazebrook, P. H. Muntz, William Mathews, a.
Miles, W. Malins, Colonel Pennent, F. Rusford, Frede-
rick Ricketts, Thomas Assheton Smith, and C, W, G,
Wynne.
Despatches were received yesterday at the Colonial
office from the Governors of Hong-Kong, Ceylon, and
the Mauritius.

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HOUSE OF LORDS.
GROUP I.
LONDON AND YORE (THE EASTERN
COUNTIES).
kCcilinued from our Afternoon Edition.)

Mr. Stephenson was examined as to the distances. The London
and York, including the loop, was 283 miles. The Eastern Counties
Extension was 227 miles. The expense of constructing the London
an't York line, would almost construct the London and Birmingham
and Grand Junction lines, which were heavy lines, and the York and
North Midland lines, which were comparatively light lines. The
cost of railway construction was higher now than it was last year.
As there was a portion of the line easy and cheap of construction,
eight millions, would be a fair estimate for constructing the London
and Yort line, according to Mr. Cubitt's plan.
The original estimate did not include the miscellaneous expenses,
such as law, Parliamentary and surveying ; these expenses would
exceed 2,0001. per mile. The cost of constructing the Eastern
Counties Extension would be, Including all expenses, be about
3,000,0001. The gradients on the Eastern Counties line were
favourable. The gradients on the Cambridge line were almost a
level. They were as I In 1,7000, 1 in 1,900, and lin 2,000; with
these exceptions it wris a perfect level. The gradients on Mr.
Cubitt's line, were as lin 200. Practically speaking, the difference
of distance in the two lines would be but little, considering
the superiority of the engines of the Eastern Counties.
line ovr those which could be had by the London and York linhen.tTthhe
gradients on the South-Eastern Counties were so favourable that
engineers would be able to get over more ground, and the ultimatestann
result would be that the difference in distance would be almo
line.
of
hilated. The delays and stoppages which took place on many
railway were owing generally to the character of the gradients, and
this would he the case with the London and York line.
The witness was further examined in chief, at thtnelclonn,cellunesikonto-of
which, it being 4 o'clock, the Committee adiourned
morrow, when the cross-examination will commence.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
GROUP 11.
The Committee met this morning at the usual hour; Viscount
Morpeth in the chair.
C0UTZ1147.111.1. RAILWAY.
The witnesses called this day on behalf of the Bill were :-3lr.
; Mr. Pendarves, M.P. ; Captain Sullivan, Mr. Rodd,
IsrelawneY.
and Mr. Williamson,
who gave evidence in favour of the line.
The Committee then adjourned till Monday next.

GROUP X.
GARTCASU naariTOlL
(Continued from ar Afternoon Edition.)

The Committee resumed its siting at three o'clock, with the full
lumber of Members as usual, when the remaining portion of the Bill
--Caledonian (Glasgow, &c., Branches)—was declared to have been
proved.
The clauses relating to the Gartcash Branch were gone through
spriatim, and agreed to, with the amendments resulting from the
previous arragements.

The Bill as so amended was passed, and the Committee rose,
having gone through all the Bills in the group assigned to it.

GROUP XI 11.
The Committee met to-day at twelve o'clock, Sir Wm. Clay in the
chair. The other members present were Earl Jermyn, Mr. P. Ains-
worth, and Mr. Curteis.

CALEDONIAN (LANGHOZZI BRANCH).

On the assembling of the Committee,
HOPE, in the absence of Mr. Cockburn, who was
not present to sum up when called on, and whose
Speech was therefore deferred, proceeded to address the
Committee against the North British Extension in respect to
the junction proposed at the Carlisle central station. If the Com-
mittee would sanction the junction in question, he hoped they
would place his clients, the Lancaster and Carlisle Company, in a
very awkward position. That company had already entered into an
understanding with three other eompanies for station accommo-
dation, and were the North British allowed to come in, in addition to
those, the public inconvenience would be very great. So many
lines crossing at the station, and the influx of passengers,
Vronld be so great, as not only to endanger the sate
working of the station, but to damage to a great
extent the whole arrangements of the Lancaster and Carlisle Com-
pany: Ws clients thought such a junction unjustifiable, as the public
convenience did not require this Hawick line, the whole wants of the
etistriet being fully supplied by the great trunk line of the Cale-
.lonlatt Company. Their opinion was that the Hawick line was not
at all required, and they prayed the Committee would not allow
the line in question to come into the station, Occasionally an alteration
Of the level, depriving the Company with which arrangements had been
Already made in regard to station room, and deranging the whole
azdeg of the Lancaster and Carlisle Company. On these grounds,
therefore, he prat ed that, even did the Committee see fit to pass the
preamble of the Bill, they would allow the line to come no further
at present than the outside of the walls of Carlisle, leaving It to a
future cession to loilstate as to the mode in which it should enter
the city.

eefr. COCKIICIIN then proceeded to sum up the case on behalf
of the Caledonian Company. He submitted that no case had
teen nuele out to justify the large amount of capital
maned by the promoters of the Hawick Company. They
preposed to repend Irons 600,0001. to 700,0001., the principal
portion of which would have to be spent in that part of the
tine between Latighohn end Hawick. Two-thirds of the capital
remold be required for that part, against which he submitted that no
ease of traffic had been made out. This extent of country was purely
an agriceeneral district; little traffic in respect to it had been made out,
mid go the cases had been made to depend on the manufacturing
ceeeeetee eifeaeashigle and Hawick. Then, in regard to these, the
lereest of "bitch bad Ail 7 A population of 8,000, the necessity of the
Lae was urged :a regard Pe the traffic going to the south. With
respect to Itaw:e'• it 11144 08Ii4 shown that the whole
value of the manufacLa of Haenek, per annum, was
about 250,0001., or in weight, 620 tons, of which it had
been shown not more than eighty or: ninety tons would find
its way to the south. In the case of the Hawici..l"d Edinburgh line
of last yedr the great point dwelt on was the inter6l"fee to the
north—to Edinlourgh and Glasgow—and not that to the south. Rut
even with regard to the small Southern traffic now shown it had
been proved that railway accommodation could be had to the south
by way of Berwick and Newcastle; and with regard to heavy
eemenodities to London, they would still have the steam
and exiling vessels from Leith and Berwick. The same
principle ill respect to the course of trade appliud to the imports to
Hawk): sad lestlashlels. The principal import was wool, for which
it was alleged s reilway communication was required in order to get
the article from Ltrerpeol. Now, it had been shown tleAt it could
be got from ilawicie to London by steam and land conveyance for
22e. a ton ; whereas, being a bulky article, it could not be brought
from Liverpool by railway, a distance of 168 miles, for less
• than 2d. a ton per mile, making 4es., thus showing a
balance is favour of the other route of 20e. a ton.
He apprehended with this kind of bulky commodity the water con-
gee/ice would always be preferred to that of land. Hawiolt and
tlatashiels had already eolneannication with Edinburgh and Berwick,
and they had the full benefit of the water conveyance from these
parts to the various ports of the MOO; Kingdom. Reviewing the
whistle manufacturing evidence of traffic, Metre Wes no case made out
to warrant such an enormous amount of capital. ny.; next point of
the promoters, and on which they had talj great'
etress, was the local traffic along the line, eepeelei/Y
expels. On that article alone they bad estimated 24,000 tons to be
carted W Hawick for annual consumption, though last year they
endeavontel to prove that that place would be supplied in a great
measure from Mid-Lothian. The witnesses of his clients, Mr. Wil-
liamson and Mr. Wood, had proved that the extensive ,zoal-fields
of Berwickshire, of which the produce was superior to Beet of
Caneuie, would supply Ilawice. in a great measure, and that supplies
Weald he bad also from Nortlitunteerland and Mid-Lothian. On this
article of mineral, as well as on that of lime, it had been shown
that the North British promoters had greatly exageerated their case.
The same applied to the alleged traffic in grain Own Beaburgitshire
to Dumfriesshire. The reason for this expected tragic wee, that
prices were higher in the latter county than in the former; bat it
had been subsequently preyed that prices between the two
districts were fast assimilating, and that no such trettle
as they took credit for could be had on the various
heads. The North British took credit for 60,56te, but certainly
no ease had been made out warranting such an amount of traffic.
The Learned Gentleman then went through the items of passenger
traffic, contending that from the evidence of Mr. Piper and Mr.
Tither, coach proprietors, of Carlisle, said of Mr. Pare, the traffic
taker, no such traffic existed on the line of road As they had taken
s,redit for. Not silly had they swept the road of *eery person seen
upon the road, but they had in addition assumed that the traffic
would be developed to the extent of 150 per cent. more. It wee
most unprecedented to sweep the road and then add 160 per
tent. ter increase. The proper correctiots, therefore, was two-thirds
Mee than that they had taken credit for. Nat only had the various
inane of traffic he had referred to been monstrously eXaggerated,
but the same applied to the Items of stone, bricks, timber, arc email
parcels, on all of which Mr. Pere had, from correct data, made lafge
deductions. Ir. l'ase'r calculation were the result of observations
made at a fair average time of the year, And they had every ap-
pearance of being fair and reasonable. With regard to the
item of fish, which it was alleged would pass from Dun-
bar, he never heard a more monstrous assumption. '/Q4' were
to bring the that a long journey over the Scotch mountains, as if these
was no Rea on the west side of the island, and Liverpool at present had
too fresh fish. It was most abaurd to suppose that 2,10 W. would be pro-
saueed by any such means. Not only was Liverpool to be supplied with
fish, bet also with slaughtered meat ; but, at present, at all events,
we such traffic existed, nor did he think there would. Bet, supposing
even this traffic to arise, it was the legitimate traffic of the Cale-
donian which was now constructing on the faith of an Act of Parlia-
iseent obtained last year. But, supposing a case of local traffic
eras made out, what was the result in regard to the Caledonian line
eareader sanctioned'? It was no longer disguised that they intended
tad tae & through competing line with the Caledonian, and to take
away the traffic that was expected to come upon that line. He sub- '
muted, whatever might be the view of the Committee in regard to
seanting accommodation for local traffic to any place that could
Aatte out anything lie* a case of :raffle, that on the grounds
of estoity and justice the claims of the Caledonian should be
considered. That company was in a position from which they
could not recede, as a million of money would not reinstate
that Company in its former position, and therefore he did hope
the Committee would not grant a direct competing line through
to Edinburgh. With regard to the'Nithsdrlieline, the case was made
to depend on local traffic, mud he believed the Committee decided it
eta last view of the question, but in the present case of the North
British there was no disguise ; the object was avowedly to compete
through to Edinburgh, against which be hawed his clients would be
protected by the decision of the Committee. It hes matter of through
traffic was set aside, then he was quite sure no ease of 1411 traffic
lied been made out. And then let them look at the char:Wee of the
eatintatee. He hadcalled whele,sses to show that 190,000/. more thaii
the capital of 660,000/. would be required to complete the line. There
was no doubt a conflict of authofity on these points, still it was a
aeitter for their grave deliberation, dig the correctel results were
given .by experienced engineers, who
eettek einallar
ae
were tually en-
gaged 'flakinga line
Assuming
thatof railway
the one estimate Was too 11,,m
g 4
the other must be considered too
low, and viewing this in deatlexe
with the corrections made in the traffic tables—assuming that :.'.etb
oldies were exaggerated, let the Committee calmly consider whether
there was any case made out to warrantt.
line. The Learned Gentleman having thapicilratTrtwaee":
_points,
proceeded proceeded to compare the portion. of the H ten ne"'
holm to Carlisle with the Caledonian awschkemrreombeLa
ehe same points. The only difference between them was
else miles ; and while the Hawick promoters would has e
is construct 19 miles of railway, the Caledonian would only have
to make 13 miles of new railing. Willie the 214 miles of length was in
fa.Vatlr of the Hawick scheme, the g rad i ents on the Caledonian line would
more then compen.salte for that difference ; for while the gradients on
the
former were one in 140 for two miles, one in 130 for one and
d one in 175 for two and a half miles, the
iltree-quarter miles. an
he latter was one in 150. The difference in
heaviest gradient on t
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o peen Lang on-half ess avour o
lee hat the
of expense would als
beholm and Carlisle that the
Mau line, The only point
Langton ; but he would, with
Caledonian did not touch was
t a sorrier place in
that
deference, joy, there was no
her ettees:yes dominions—there was not the means of getting a
single dinner in the place. Sir James Graham submitted the inn in
t;,:e place was shut up. He did not think, therefore, that there was
niece, necessity tor railway accommodation fr such a place. lie
could well tesderstand how the Duke of Buccleuch, through
whose
I
property lase line ran for 26 miles, and Sir James Graham, w
estate was intersected for 8 miles—he could well understaeid
how they supeorted that scheme. It would no doubt be
an advantage to them, but he submitted. Hotwith'taild•
tug the high character of these proprietors, that the national
capital should not he applied without a prospect of remuneration, and
to the prejudice of the vested interests of a line that had secured the '
sanction of the Legislature, merely to benefit them in their indi-
vidual position of great landed proprietors. The Learned Gentleman
having amplified further on these points, and ewapitalated the heads
of his address, concluded by estifing on the Committee to reject the
preatieele of the North British (CarleneEettenidon), and tepee* tea of
the Caledonian (Lenghelm Branch).
Mr. TALBOT then replied on the part of the "forth British line,
sod on behalf of the petitiouing proprietors, the Duke of Buceleuch
x.stid Sir James Graham. Ile would, Its the tirA place, deal with the
affirmative advantages of the Iti:1 f which he appeared before t,,e
replied to the elequeut statement of his Learael Friend. The
preened* of the North British (Carlisle Extension) line set forth that
*Teat public serail/ages would result from the paselng of
tie: i;iil
Pit question. They promised at the opening of the proceedings
neat they would establieli a strong case of local traffic,
and they had amply redeemed that promise. They
had showa that the district to be seerenmedated was a rich agricul-
tural and pastoral district, which was,
ln reta,rd to the woollen tra le,
the West Riding et ecotland--a district, moreover, which as yet had
meither canal nor railway accommodation. It had, he seekettled,
teett proved that the trade of the district was very great, and tnal,
die only thing that interfered with the ample development of the
&aria was to elleap and abundant supply of coal, 'which 'at
preseiete could not be had in the manner and at the price
desirable. By the railways already sanctioned aw ickhad
been pLiced on the apex of a triangle, in regare to acejOim deli
It was on the point of tragic conflttenee of the two lines sanctioner;
e
leorn Edinburgh and Berwick last year. This clearly showed that
this was the natural course of traffic, and
.ell ticket was required now
wee gee outlet to the south, to accommodate the Mineral and
aujenunill produce of the district. As tar as
,e,e,idewo
had been taken, it had been .howil that at' testa otie'atee4
of she egekesiiesral produce went west ai7l south, awl re.-
quired the present L
cest of railway accommodation, The proof
was clear that the produCP of Roxburghshire went in large tins:'
titles to Dumfriesshire, and that at least 3,300 tons of grain went
-
',tom the former to the latter county for seed and for other purposes.
2t hal also been shown that cattle ud sheep were fattened largely

in Roxburghshire, and that they absolutely required a s-,uthern rail-
way accommodation like the present line. They had called the
best «amiss in Scotland or; the subject, Mr. Scott, who de-
posed that he sent south to Liverpool and Laiicashire
generaiiy Pout 4,000 fat sheep yearly, besides a large quantity sent
from East Lothian, ria Glas..;ew to Liven-cwt. It had also been proved
that there would he large traffic lean cattle and sheep that would
Pass along the line, arising from the large fairs held in the ootinty of
Roxburgh. The evidence of air. secitt on this head wits fortified by
the evidence of Sir. Nelson, who Lad been actually examine.' en a
similar point the year before he the CaledoutanCempaey. Ito was,
therefore, an unimpeachable authority. Me (Mr. Talbot) had now
dealt with the agricultural exports, and he would now
briefly call their attention to tkelquestion of imports in
Order to effect improvements in the cultivation of land. The area of
Country around Hawick required tiles, or, at least, clay, to make
them of, and coals by which to burn them ; and these would lie sup-
plied in large quantities, and at a cheap rate, from Canobie.
lies
also necessary to have railway connexion in order to obtaihnesnu
of guano and other manure, from the adjoining ports. T
regard to the southern limb of the scheme, they had
strongly in fa -
the Duke of Buccleuch and Sir J. Graham, who spoke the evident
your of the line as a means Tra itts
of the agriculturists of that
the those of a
agricultural features of the scheme ; now
forthat the quantity of foreign
manu-
facturing character. It had been proved .
part of theofeousnutprpyl.yinSgo tmheuchdet
awick, and, also that a large trade was ca
murpeersti.tiort shhnodrt
been
wool:especially wool from New York, was increeadsinongtevrinasienanraao!
direct routes were indispensable for riad
tured goods with Landon. In these dayasneuffaeect
shown by Mr. Locke. the Tweed
forraper, that. no litre of
communication would be advisable. the district, unless it
connected it in a direct manner with Liverpool and Manchester. It
was therefore absurd, and out of all character, that the inhabitants
of the district should be sent thirty or forty miles round, by way of
Berwick. Again, it had been proved that in Gala.shiels and Hawick
the water-power was almost taken up, and that a cheap and abun-
dant supply of coal was necessary, in order to apply steam as a
motive power ; and it had been further shown that the supply of e
this mineral could be best had from the Canobie coal-field. Such
was the outline of the case for the line, presenting a
case of strong local want for the line in question. One remarkable
fact in their case was, that of the 42 miles in extent, they had on 37
miles of it the assent of the landed proprietors, while on the whole
they had but a single mile of dissents. The Learned Gentleman hav-
ing dwelt on the points of the case as developed in evidence, went on
to reply to the observations made on behalf of the Caledonian Corn-
, patty, by Mr. Cockburn. With regard to the Caledonian line, he
must say that it was useless to the district through which the Hawick
line passed, and it would be worse than useless if it were to
protected, during all time future, from any line passing from
&Aisle to Hawick. He submitted the Caledonian had no
standing before the Committee, and had only sneaked in by their
proposition of the Langholm branch. In doing this they submitted
the principle of the Hawick line, though they stopped shut of giving
that accommodation to the district which it required. Beyond the
portion of the Hawick line that competed with their Langholm
branch, they had no locus itandi, and had no right to appear against
the twenty miles from Langholm to Hawick. He repudiated
the notion of the Caledonian line talking of vested rights. Ile hoped
the day had gone by when vested rights, except in well-established
cases, and not on such as the Caledonian had submitted, had gone by,
ant tint the pub to int eree: a were to 14 acrificed to the se!ti.sh policy
of a grasping company. The Learned Gentleman then went over the
various points adduced in support of the Caledonian. He denied that
the present line was put forward as a competing line with that,
though he did not deny but that some parties might come
along this one, in preference to the other. But the whole through
traffic was estimated at about 21,0001., and the utmost that might
be taken from it could not he [more than 4,0001. or 5,0001.:; yet on
tee bare contingency of that they were led to believe that the
Caledonian was a Company that could be extinguished by the
slightest blow. Then they were assailed that the North British
Company would not have enough of traffic to support their line,
but he submitted that was ne business of the Chairman
and directors of the Caledonian Company, though he admitted
it was a subject for the consideration of the Committee. His
clients had produced along the route of the line witnesses who knew
the wants of the district well, while those called on the other side,
with the exception of that notable member of the fourth estate, Mr.
Steele, who had all along been a partisan of the Caledonian, had no
local connexion with the district whatever. He submitted: that
manufacturers and agriculturists, who knew all about the district
and mineral agents, residing at Canobie, were witnesses more to be
relied on than Mr. Pare, who had been employed to get up a case,
and the other parties, who had merely run over the district once or
twice, and who had no knowledge of the real wants and traffic
of the country with respect to the Canobie coal-field. Evidence had
been clearly given to show that there were ten seams of coal, of
which 'but three were now working ; that the supply was most
ample ; that so far from coals from Berwick supplanting Canobie
coal at Hawick, it was more likely that Canobie coal would g., to
Berwick, en account of tht superiority of tire article. All the Com-
mittee could de on this point was to compare the one evidence with
the other, and judge between them. On the passenger traffic it was a
remarkable fact, that where these estimates could be corrected by way
bills, It was found to agree in the main with the other side, as
shown in the evidence. of that euphoneous pair, Messrs. Piper and
Tyther : and it was only when the romantic calculations of Mr. Pare
were introduced that a discrepancy was made out. On the engi-
neering differences in the estimates he would set the established
character of Mr. Miller against the evidence on the ether side, with
the high observation that Mr. Locke in his original esti-
mate set down the Caledonian line at, 2,100,000/. Taking
away 130,000/. for plant, and dividing the remainder of the
number 'of miles, the! amount per mile would show actually less
than .the estimate of Mr. Stiller. This would show how the
matter stood In tween the rival engineers, and how much this alleged
discrepancy was worth. The Learned Gentleman then addressed
himself to the Langholm branch and the junction at the station,
showing with reference to the evidence of Sir J.Graliam, that the line
ought to run upon the south hank of the Esk, and that with respect
to the junction at Carlisle, the promoters of the Bill were willing to
leave the matter to the adjudication of the Board of Trade. The
Learned Gentleman Concluded by strongly impressing on the mind of
the Committee the necessity of passing the preamble of the Bill.
The room was then cleared for a division.

IMPORTANT DECISION.
After an absence of about half an hour the parties were called in,
when
The CRAIRMAN said the decision of the Committee was, that the
preamble of the Bill ofhe Laugh°lm branch of the Caledonian Rail-
way had not been ;p. oved; also that the preamble of the North
British (Carlisle Extension) had not been proved. They, however,
reserved that portion of the North Itritish preamble that related to
the small branch to the Canobie coal-fleid, so as to ascerta'n whether
by the forms of the House they could retain it, so as to form a junc-
tion with the branch of the Dumfries line. Practically, howcver, the
decision was the rejection of both schemes at present before the Com-
mittee.
The consideration of the Candbie Branch and the clauses of the
Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle were adjourned till Monday week.

GROUP XVII,

B.OIKSZT AND REDISILIDGE BRANCH.

(Continued from our Afternoon Edition.)

Mr. C. gamin, the traffic manager of the Great Western, was then
examined. He said when the traffic bills were printed, he Invariably
examined them. He had a copy of the passenger tables issued about
the Ist of January, 1841. He was not sure whether the line was
opened to Northern or Southampton at that period ; but the distance
between London and Southampton, as stated in the bills of that
perked, was seventy-six miles and three-quarters, hut the goods-
traffic distance seventy-six miles. Minchtleid was looked upon as
half-way between Southampton and London, and was considered
thirty-eight miles trom Southampton, The time bills were published
about every month, and little variation was made In them, except
in May and in the fall of the year. He could undertake to
' say that no chsnge took place in the bills between May and
September 1844. By the May bill of that year, the dis-
tance was set down as seventy-seven miles and a quarter,
and the distance froth Southampton to Winchfield was thirty-nine
miles, or from Southampton to London seventy-seven miles and a
quarter. By the bills of January and March, 1445, the distance
charged for passengers between Southampton was forty miles, and
fur !foods thirty-nine. The abatement for carrying twenty tons for
forty raer, was thirty per cent., and for thirty-nine 20 per cent.,
making a ditterenee of 10 per cent. They were entitled
to charge for forty miles, if the distance was a fraction
over thirty-nine. Nothing, however, was gained by this, as it had
nothing to do with the charges. The line was, linweaer, re-sun-tat
last year, and this seeming discrepancy was rectified, and the fates
lb* Lotb passengers and goods were only charged for the net distance.
Mr. Davia—Then the passengers by the Parliamentary train should
pay Id. more than they 0, and the Company gain 10 per cent, by
having charged 40 miles for passengers, and only 39 for goods?
The witness said under the old time Bill referred to
by Mr. Davis that was actually the ease on the face of
if, hut the Company really derived no advantage from it.
betweenTo'hichtield. and Southampton. Coals taken from the wharf
at Nine Elins to Southampton Isere conveyed at 2%d. a ton, but 3d.
a ton was charged froth Southampton.
Examined by Mr. IlaarsaitTow—The distance in 1845 was found
to be 78. The heavy traffic of all kinds did net exceed five tons a
week between Winehfield and Southampton. The charges for eon-
veying coala were regulated by the large quantity sent from Lotian,
and the small quantity sent from Southampton. The arrangement
made with the Dagk proprietors at Southampton was made
for the purpose of imprOving the trade of Southampton.
But an alteration had been made which equalise4 MP expense to Its.
Spy at both docks and pier ; but the carriage of goods to till (ruin
the ,-,y!.1.3 2s. 6d. more than the docks.
John Davis Fe:!;..xamined—The charge of carrying 10 tons from
Southampton to Wifidfici4 WAS formed, 2/. 16s. after deducting the
" rebate" of 30 per cent., btlerklW 41, 14s. 2d. was charged, thus in-
creasing the expense to 18s. 2d.
A.fier a few ebservotions from Mr. Davis, the ease of t 14,1 21,3pPnents
of the BI ;,1 vas closed.