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London, England, 1846-03-07 00:00:00

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eller' hid] recommended the doing away with the heavy
ik_ Os imposed on the co-hold tenant-farmers. It would be
", wisest ceurse to make that report a part of the prisen
lins:ks3edtflirle.airfietwhevrgoarldiserfyr,om Mr. CURTEIS, which were quite
for ;17.tRTI-1111t BROOK said he would state his reasons
,een,ln..
ie s against the question proposed by her Majesty's Go-f
Ghat ,He was satisfied that the measure would be of
eat old mealculable injury to Ireland. In England
,there
jel,"?te expectation of a benefit from free trade ; it was an
Illdatrltlllig e"nlrY, but it was well known that Ireland exported,
Ptseleatthat owe Consisted of agricultural preduce.
and
the. _of Ireland re greatly interested in agriculture,
thin this feel the injury of free trade mush more severely
ies-itaes country. Ireland was an exporting, and England
of renti:faeorting comary. He was of opinion that theeople
than b ad would be much more benefited by full employment_f
they by Ply result of the Right Hon. Baronet's measure. I
tol, ere to open up canals from Lougherne to the river Shan-
le,;tit,t.weuld give emplo)ment to thousands, and confer a greatd
I1140;10 on the country. He wished the Hon. and.Learne
tete el' fer Cork was in his . place, as he wished to
Its,sa letter from that Hon. Member to Coriciliation.hall,
lreeed,mlfo..,ei hie to expect any measure co be of advantage to
se, . 'sate these who could and would spend money there
- Learned danger of losing life and property. Time Hon. and
44 -be`' Member for Cork had said in his letter, that the neea-
trate
of
.te be proposed by the Government, for the puni,hd-
ta the crime, should be resisted. He was greatly oppose
netf alaasure proposed by the night Hon: Baronet for the
asset" the distress of the country, and more especially as it
Illoteeb' greaee injurious to Ireland, and for that reason he
Ai, opprise it.
that if `‘CL AN D wished to say a few words. He thought
ssi, eayan indefinite arrangement had been proposed, it woulda
ste tit t offended longer than three years, whereas the
teas
RIO tee tdvatitage of knowing their own position.
I'll() "e bit friend had given his proposition to the lloii.e
fer,Stseutor
tY, of the vituperation which had marked the earlier
o.- lit deb ,te, and that his friend
.had a.lso rcfrainuti
'Pjaioa`l'ig any Menileir of this House with his changes of
Mr ..N-7;(ileer, hear. )
°lf, ht, ' i'4' AFFORD O'BRIEN begged to second the request
'l4 ,;'sn• Friend the Member for Pontefract, that the
t'i'n "Q 41,1 not divide. He (Mr. S. O'Brien) found a. pro:
sie'ti a'l:4 made by the overnment laid upon the table of the.
r,„' and he considered it his duty to oppose that proposition.i
i.tait,rP'aed the Bill witheui sating his own views with regale
._gted,OrDtn the maintenancie of protection as it at present ex-
* h ;" found the motion for the repeal of the corn-laws,
kre es'eelarert his intention of fighting against it.
t,t,taii',ll,,AßLES BULLER said that his Hon. Friend bad
'dee'''. '°44,1 the motion for the repeal of the corn-lews,
slit ,ente'nted himself with merely offering an opposition with the tti'g his reasons. NV hat 'eel he say in the earlier part
tt4'ti. eeve'ing ? il .said he knew there were various amend.-
1,..ti1e s',.4,,t_!') would i
not notice any osf.,t...heni,llor
Hon.wo ultlrd,larni_s
;17 , voiro 7se aly amendment on their it 7 The
areceteea-eitke'y
ete it .nad brought forward the proposition. h.I ti. ie
t tl. r,"h great i , n but when he found that the sins
44.4,),t(.4"t VfaS a;amir:tri,t, it would be as well to discontinue
'lr• li-r.") Promote it.
,'lert'u.TElt TIORTHWICK said that he thought the
'llf
~aleasure a e posed by Government. was uneaded
;,kli ii-e"t'eL,'_l.ie exi'stin'gr°-(...•i-reum;tances of tile country. lie
, Nag 'ever, say that circumstances might not arise re-
'et' =l4 'than 'e . th corn-laws but they had not arisen
Ifti chin, l'', in e t he' made at all unless there
et ttee,,e ge eueht never o
1 for tii" It 'oil in its effect tobalance the evil. The Secre-
',76 • le\ Home Department had remarked that he (Mr.
wi,''''-‘hic-si 1' sfl prophesied that the corn-laws would not work,
hearted'ti certainly had done so, but his opinions were now
l'lie Meaning of the opposition he had given to Go-
,sd - was that he thought the present circumstances re-
'''iedlT,ehange in the .la‘ ws, but he was ready at any future
411,, 'aalti circumstances require it, to take into considera-
Llft VAraieet for an a'teration in the corn-laws.
ottiih-e:raltl.) said chit he was astonished at what he heard
Ltlhthew li'n• Member, when he knew that he was connected
i? to te r°tectien Society in Bond-sti eet, which was pledged
ite ti,very Memberve" to allow a repeal of the corn-laws,..,
IPeetl;:.'100. made a sort of " Mysteries of Udelpho
t est. n which he e,,ni-em dated the probability of supporting,
dc-
dim far an alteration iin the corn-laws after such a dc-
'la 'hi' lie ( Mr. Ward) could have no more confidence in
kti tOI he could in any Member on his side of the House,
lijr,l would be rcducitig it to a very small scale. .
*t'llid e k''''' SON said, that if this measure were carried, ruinr
and ii, e the result of it. In his neighbourhood, both Vt hig
la a„?.'3' concurred in the belief that protection was necessary
rl,filt.
~,,, „, ure„
they
,o; vIUNIE said that the protectionists had declared that
1-4, 4 r'?1(1 fight this Bill from pest to pillas. At a meeting of
eet,rrieeltural Protection Society last Tuesday, a resolution
bekt °Prised by Mr. W. Fisher Hogg, and seconded by the
ten bake Richmond, which resolution set forth the, the altera-
arteretosed by Sir Robert Peel would cheapen food a.el other
there{' ° the injury of the labourer
.and manufacture!, end
the e're they were bound to maintain protection and res
lisee'rogress of the abolition of the corn laws. Since that
'see 'cveral Members had modified their opinion., and he, for
setwas glad to receive a convert, however he was obtained..
stier,• 8:111'1'11 O'BRIEN said that he had sated nothing
areeithl.7 ilia simple opposition to
.the measure, and that he
Ai_ g2e vio reason for that opposition.
the r* 11 TZGF.Ita LI) said he had paid great attention to
Irian proposed be
, y the Government, and he thought the
~, people woulii reap as
14 pie. It certainly h ' much benefit from it as the English
44 had applied • a" not been left to their. choice. ; no. per-
stl
th,
5h.,,,1t0 the Irish people to ascertain their opinions
kee
as
it .1 - , therefore the Irish had only to adopt the mea-
l' ld •carn° to them, and to ascertain what benefit they
sta obtain from it.
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK said that he begged leave
t„usay to the Hisendrable Member (Mr. Hume) that_threore.
lt,t." flineama.pn that side of the House to uphold
to I°4 to se-oteultural produce, and to other articles of elomestiep
oer''-atneisem If the Secretary for the Home Department
yit TilY fulfil the pledges and promises he gave to the coun-
aere..P6, what compensation would he not have to give to
tee,—.iff re ? He had promised that 30 per cent. should be
*teen
''"rri annuities chargeable on land, with various other
4tsiet,'," °' of a like nature. Relieve them from tithes, poor-
they: the malt-duty, the duty on distilled spirits, and the hop-
;feted 1:11•1 they would defy the worldot on among them
alteibesk for protection then. ' But. he woulde tell the Hon.
?tree for Sheffield '(slr..Ward) that while these burde.ns
that '4(l on lee& they (the protectionists) would still claim
ell, (,ertain amount of protection be conceded.
'ee ' AI. MILNES said he made the proposition under a
e ef4
ho_ald be ofe of public duty, but seeing the feeling of the House,
seg lease to withdraw it.
r' arnendinent was accordingly withdrawn.
ed4te ;rot'. 'IOWA RD then rose to move that the amount of
I,se. prised by the Gevernm'ent be extended to the Ist of
,jfise; l''-5 I, instrad of for three years. He said he would
414' !ta'e the reas'ons that had led him to make this motion.
ip' hl order that the change might be gradual, and with due
1'4411° existing interests and contracts. He knew that there
vied,',l farms held on lease in the country ; held for
IN ''t seven and t iurteen years, and to Withdraw the pre-
yker4lount of protection from them would be doing the far-
tl4t k•
great in'usti e In order to preserve the interest of
hideewao had made tet:ose leases as well as ether contracts that
l',ti.-4"n entered into he now'proposed the extension of the
1145,1,,, \l'biie making the motion, he would beg leave to ob-
:ti i,)wsrer, that unless the House showed a fair disposition
e,-' 'o'4.i:„-ztain his proposition, he would follow the example
'lid'''. Gentlemen who had proposed amendments, and
4 rays i.
' a 40e '•—( liver, hcar. ) He wished the question settled
n't tis " Possible, so that they might be prepared with peace
Ottalli,ti, resist aggression abroad; and he must observe that
rti h",,t differed in some respects with the Ministerial. proposi-
i '''S 't,' 'id rot consider it either an unconstitutional or uncalled-
i Itlti',Zeu,r,".• Ilewould have preferred preferred a fixed permanent
teat had lalaact which prevailed Belgium, where the Govern-
whenever any
IV:4y
ar,ses.creiflotnherpy p
resent measure passed, he trusted the
tittritiereuweoulii not suffer from competition with the foreien
'. IN i i. ''st ; and with the expression of this hope,. though
the
,;•trteleve been glad at an extension of the period for
1 ine`,Luo ni the duty, he would, under *confines, as
; is th'', t'Oe disposition of Hon. Members, himself now
1 ,Nl,l- '41,0e declarstion of his sen.iments on the subject. He
' tit4nut but rejoice that they had secured a period of mo-
oeo e p
ot
Lt,41,1,,.!.1, cetion before entering upon their new career, as it
's,lior.. are fatten coentrfor great change. He thanked thi.
~ Natie b ' the tion they had p- aed him and he would con-
1, 014 iYe(s'Yfrig, that though he -.had formerly supported the
Ite'e 'rd the Alember tor the city of London in proposing
L /iatiii`l'itY, lie would, now that the House had' affirmed the
te,eiri';'' of a total repeal at the end of three years, de ell hit.
~'art -,') give effect to that measure. The Hon. Member sat
„t. withdrawing 'els amendment.
e'el'e''. 10 LIFF4 in reference to what was said about the
;'oll' Cat'' se • ' e,' ould not see it in the same light as the
' ?el'? ' -e,ntle it-hochad just sat down. He could net look
ih-4'l,ltte .4
:IYantieewurity at all. 'I hem might be a change of.
in ele ',l', and Sir R. Peel be succeeded by Lord John Russell ,
let teti:-4 ease that Noble Lord would be bound, accord-
tetr' his Professions, to propose a total repeal.—( Hear, hear.)
s,,llarißet°'ll(.l, therefore, be no security ; end he, for one, if a
'''''tt4' Was to take place, would prefer the settlement of the
01, at once by a total repeal.—( Hear, hear.)
fie;rc,4lderroan.COPELAND entirely concurred in the
te%, e.,11 of the Right lion. Baronet, and was. glad that the
i;*:(,, entleman had withdrawn his resolution. He would
''
h'et to show that the farmers did not seem te dread
fl'°,,P°s:d l tion ' ' in the corn-laws. Ile knew the case
rtt itet adateorhaad lust taken a farm from one of the Cur-
'o4rit-t'''l.,' i'n'‘Yorkshire at an advanced rent. The former
settoo;mad paidrent, but the new one took it
,at
traviart,',: This fact had a great influence on his mind, and tire
'ettis,r'ial world, and showed the fears expressed by lion.
,/tit,4'en were groundless.
'7lt of few words from Mr. FINCH, in reply to the state-
,„i.e a the previous speaker,
"ii,,LtY Li C-i• BENTINCK said he would take headpfrthe;4,6,- a'lffeg the Right Hon. Baronet at theo
sioe -4vrietit what he expected would be the probable opera-
tip' 1 eq, lila Bill? Could he give any idea of what the . aye-
f''''l'ilel'ert''.e of wheat would be.? He (Lord George Bentinck)
urt th 'hat a Minister, making a proposition of the kind be-
Dtie, t Ilee„ was bound to state what. would be the probable
t; ' Its of labour under it. H. e ago
.wished to know what was
°NI done in the commutation of tithes ? It was stated on a
ifili.r thre°(tia*- foe, by the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary
Inat 4,7'e Department, that. the
also stated
of wheat would. be
el_tei. It
na quarter, antiit it
duty
ofl Iss.tated by the Right
per quarter would
(I.t)he 1) Uteeetti(tn 11,842, tsrlatoa
Irelaynd, but a great injury. He
1 1.111,., Ll°. Iler-Itielta)t%es7itshL-d to know if the Eentirnents of
.the
I,..4ilßll::ti'• ila.ro-net. were still in accordance with these vie A s?
'W,ly,'t, r()rn all they had previously straoted, wheat, under the
,ir it ni, must average from ..IJs. to J , per .
..
kcit • PEEL, who was very inaudible, from his turning his
tl.,ldtil th, gallery ; i! g his observations towards
til4';e-tiCite:rgelieii'!kn)as:a.'i.(l.lc;stl'inai; he really could not give an
sir, the qu,stions of the Noble Lord. Ho had no
ei'My °I reviving the discussion which had _
tel-
ltale, ''ef•upled tee House for three weeks. r.s
,e l',„ll\')rd could not 4 have paid attention to what he (Su
ee'ttlart see stated in that debate, else be would have hearddthe.
ion the question. He then en ea
ite''.4(eittic,),rith"ee; tehneteelatuasiensc(that operated to dimir ish the cost of
lest:lt, he 'and to reduce
' the price of wheat. And in. so
-"` 1 - flowed th t in the last three years afier the
1,1,1_ i1.t,ra,,,, . a
corn
e' of
," 0 111 the, laws, during which the average
.:4 -law "vat was 51s. that that price was not the result of the
earn
a. but arose from agricultural improvements and
Vetity ~-",; another nature. He showed that agricultural pros-
iii4t, th:ts tent built en the price of wheat, tnr it would asps
4_ in 18 t 2, the price was' 67u. per quarter, while the
tte4sc't. that following f°ll"ing it averaged sis.. This was a strong
te.'t of the agricultural prosperity did not depend on the exist-
httl!i heeerielaws. He had no answer to make to what he
he say ii) Previously stated, or to passages from " Hansard,"
. Ire " se- 4t.'
having paid the elose.t attention to the question,
k.Petetee 4 reason to change his views ; and whilst he cast no
teats eris4ert°n. other Hon. Gentlemen. for any opinion they
toe'. Proper tin' or any change of sentiment they might have
tee,,4leratie
''make, he trusted they would extend the same
~, tent;', ration 4 eine.
He gave them full credit for honest in-
l'Qii the'LW lie claimed the same nor himself. Last year,
veld, H,
A, ,t Ins, 'n• Member for Wolverhampton (Mr. Villiers)
4%1`) repill'e%Qeh for the repeal of the corn-laws, he (Sir Robert
41 't`hree. ,'' .1 it, and on that occasion Lord Howick, now
the ~,5 cor,;_aillti it was conclusive in favour of a gradual repeal
Ilai;'etessitv tart Since than circumstances had shown him
tlse,4l no e, cif the cour,e he now proposed to the House. But
''' tote leel`'!ra to eo into the discussion, as he was desirous
`•,'''',es,
"4°1.1el bs biough iu bladed upon the remgaticent