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London, England, 1848-07-25 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, July 24.

Their Lordships met at Five o'clock.
The Earl of DARNLEY took the oaths and his seat.
The Earl of lIARROWBY presented a petition from
the journeymen bakers, praying for a diminution of the
hours of labour; also from the Shrewsbury Waterworks
Company against the Healths of Towns Bill.
ECCLESIASTICAL PATRONAGE (IRELAND)

'BILL.
On the motion of Earl FORTESCUE, this Bill was
read a second time.

ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE BILL.
On the motion of Lord CAMPBELL, this Bill was
read a third time and passed.
ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE BILL (No. 2).
On the motion of Lord CAMPBELL, this Bill was
read a third time and passed.
VEXATIOUS ACTIONS BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL moved that this Bill be read a
second time.

The Earl of WICKLOW hoped a similar Bill would
be introduced for Ireland.

The motion was then agreed to.
IRISH CONSPIRATORS DETENTION BILL.
This Bill having been brought up from the Commons,
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved that it be read
a first time.—Agreed to.

The NouLE MARQUIS then said he was about to pro-
pose to their Lordships to adopt an unusual, but not an
unprecedented, course. He had in the first instance to
't to to their Lordships, that only three days having
elapsed since this matter had been discussed in
that House, additional and overwhelming proof
had been furnished of the existence of the exi-
gency under the pressure of which their Lordships
were called upon to act. He held in his hand a short
report on the state of Ireland, which contained a state-
ment of facts relating to that country up to Saturday.
It stated that the system of clubs for organizing rebel-
lion was advancing at an accelerated pace, and that in
Cork, Waterford, Meath, and Kilkenny, those clubs
were endeavouring to gain possession of the country.
Since the Lord-Lieutenant had proclaimed Dublin, Cork,
and Waterford, the leaders of the conspiracy had been
moving from county to county to review their forces.
These measures had been adopted without disguise, and
it would seem as if the leaders had endeavoured to prove
the necessity of passing this measure. But, without allud-
ing to the sedition and treason with which numerous
Irish papers had come laden to this country, he would
allude to a few significant paragraphs which clearly
showed the objects which those parties had in view.
In one of these papers he found a paper signed by a
leader, named Brennan, declaring that they were now
in a state of war, from which they could not recede,
and urging the young men of Ireland, as very rash and
rather inclined to be fiery, to proceed at once, and to
let their watchword be " Now or never." Then thero
was another article, signed by Mr. J. F. Lalor urging
the Irish to destroy the 40,000 English soldiers in
Ireland, to kill and capture them in the best and
swiftest manner possible. There was another paper
which, after sneering at the Earl of Clarendon's prac-
tical instructions in Ireland, headed a column as their
own practical instructions, instructing the people
in every means of destroying life and property that
the most hellish ingenuity could imagine. He,
therefore had turned to those precedents which
showed to what means their Lordships had recourse to
pass measures in times of emergency to proceed in one
day to carry a Bill of this importanee through all its
stages. He found that in 1803, without any previous
notice, two Bills for the suppression of rebellion in Ire-
land, and enabling the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland to
arrest suspected persons, were passed through the
House in one sitting, that the standing orders were sus-
pended, and a resolution passed enabling the Lord
Chancellor to put the question upon every
stage on the same day. He had no hesitation in pro-
posing to their Lordships to act upon that precedent.—
(Hear.) He had no doubt but the persons who were
engaged in organizing rebellion, who had proclaimed
war without subjecting themselves to the dangers of war,
were not entitled to the benefit of those regulations
which were never intended for rebellions subjects.
One of those writers had asked who would strike the
first blow for Ireland—who would shed the first blood ?
and if no one should be found to strike the first blow or
to shed the first blood, it would be mainly owing to their
Lordships passing this Bill without delay, and which
would at once receive the Royal assent. Ile concluded
by moving the second reading of the Bill, and the sus-
pension of the standing orders.
Lord BROUGHAM was aware that it was a most
dangerous power with which it was now proposed
to invest the Lord-Lieutenant, but it was an absolutely ne-
cessary one. Without detaining their Lordships, he would
at once say that he gave his cordial consent to his Noble
Friend's proposition; but when he saw the exultation
which those events had produced in France, ho
must protest against it being understood that we
wanted this measure or any measure to protect the
integrity of the empire or to retain for us Ireland.
The integrity of the empire was never in jeopardy.
This measure was not wanted to prevent the severance
of the empire, but to prevent attempts at that severance,
which would produce bloodshed and civil war, which
civil war would end in the destruction of those rebellious
persons who excited it.—(ilear, hear.) One of those
proclamations which his Noble Friend had read
had been issued by a man who was in prison
for his crimes. He trusted that there was some
prison discipline in Ireland as there was in England, to
prevent prisoners, when committed to prison, from com-
mitting a repetition of their crimes. If such were not
the law of Ireland, it ought to be the law of Ireland ;
and if it were, he trusted it would be carried out. As
to the leaders of these people, he believed they would
not be very sorry to see this Bill passed.—(Hear.) They
had in Ireland leaders of two sorts—the first who
preached up repeal but took care not to commit them-
selves, and warned the people to do nothing unlawful—
these were sordid, cautious, crafty, money-getting men,
who thought they did enough to absolve their con-
sciences—if any they had—or to save themselves
from prosecution, if they said pray do not break the
law, as if they had taken gunpowder and placed it near
a fire and said pray do not explode. Of late had arisen an-
other set of leaders who wished to make a noise, to make
speeches to become notorious. He believed that rebellion
was the last object they had in view; and then they were
hatching a rebellion which they wished never to
come into existence, but which would come into
existence if the persons of those leaders were not
secured, and it was to secure the safety of the
country from those who wished to rebel, via ,
the followers, and from those who did not wish, but who
would be forced to break it, viz., the leaders, that he
voted for this Bill.

The Earl of WICKLOW asked for some assurance
that measures should be adopted for preventing pri-
soners in gaols from writing and publishing seditious
letters?

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said there was every
reason to believe that although these letters bore the
initials of the prisoners, they were not written by them,
although they might have been written by their au-
thority.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGII believed that this
measure, if introduced some months ago, might have pre-
vented the organization of the clubs, but he believed
that now it would be too late to prevent rebellion. Writings
as exciting had been published three months since by that
person who have now been transported for his crimes,
and no steps had been taken in consequence. Three
months since. he (Lord Ellenborough) had urged the
necessity of proclaiming Dublin. Were they to be
told that it was not till the 18th July that the Lord-Lieu-
tenant for the first time saw the necessity for applying to
Parliament for fresh powers? That rebellion had been
growing up with the knowledge of the Government,
both here and in Ireland, and yet no steps had been
taken, up to that time, to put it down. The country
had not been organised by the Government. He be-
lieved the measure would not prevent, but precipitate,
the rebellion, and the Government ought to be prepared
for such a contingency. When they had rebellion in the
south, they ought to arm and organize the north.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE assured the House
and the Noble Lord that the Government had well
weighed the course they had to pursue before they came
to Parliament for additional powers; and, on a fitting
opportunity, when the motion of the Noble Earl came
on for discussion, he would be prepared to satisfy the
House that, with respect to the time when, and the mode
in which they applied to Parliament, they had acted
with moderation, but also with firmness.
The Earl of GLENGALL, who was at first very in-
distinctly beard, said he was happy to say that the ac-
counts he had received respecting the views of the Roman
Catholic clergy were generally satisfactory. He was
sorry to say, however, that he knew on undoubted
on in every
au-
thority the names of several young Roman Catholic cler-
gymenfttlm. who were urging the people to rebellion. A Rev.
Gentlemen, the day after the recent proclamations were
issued, declared the time had come for striking the death•
blow of British power in Ireland. He (the Earl of Glen-
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The Marquis of LANSDOWNE having
moved that
the standing orders be suspended, the Bill was
read
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second time, the Committee was and the Bill
was then read a third
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HEALTH OF TOWNS BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL moved the Committee on this Bill.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH thought it had been
greatly improved in the Select Committee.
Lord REDESDALE considered that the proviso which
excluded so many works from the operation of the smoke
prevention clause in the Bill was unnecessary. He had,
however, been obliged to accede to it.
The Bill then passed through Committee, and was re-
ported to the House.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 24.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS.
The Lords' amendments to Payne's Patents (Improve-
ments in Preserving Vegetable Matters) 13111 was
agreed to.

THIRD READINGS.
The following Bills were read a third time :
Newton's Estate Bill.
North \Vales Railway (Dissolution of Company) Bill.
SECOND READING.
The Regent's Quadrant Colonnade Bill was read a
second time.