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London, England, 1848-05-12 00:00:00

!Pissed by the Government. The most beneficial re-
sults had followed from the late Bill, in putting down
the mischievous agitation in that country. It was noto-
rious that there were persons in Paris whose business
WAS to get up revolutions, and that many of them had
come over to this country. The Hon. Gentleman had
taunted the Noble Lord with seeking the support of his
side of the House, but it should be recollected that cir-
cumstances existed which induced persons on both sides
of the House to unite in protecting t he institutions of
the country, to which the people of the country were
unalterably attached.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the third reading ...........• 146
Against it ............ . .............. 29
Majority —ll7

The Bill then passed.
PUBLIC HEALTH BILL.
On the motion for going into Committee upon this
Bill,
Colonel SIBTHORP said he hoped the Bill would be
reprinted, in consequence of the extensive alteration
which he understood was made in it.
Mr. J. STUART, in reference to what had fallen
from him on a previous occasion, begged to state that he
was in error in attributing the authorship of a pamphlet
from which he quoted to Mr. Chadwick. In anything
he said on that occasion he did not mean to speak dis-
respectfully of that gentleman.
Mr. FIiEIVEN understood that malignant fever
exinted in the neighbourhood of the House, and that
Westminster School was broken up in consequence
This fever was attributed to the Dean of Westminster's,
conveying some composition into the sewer by way of
improvement and preventing infection.—(Laughter.)
If sanitary improvements, such as were contemplated
under this Bill, were persevered in, the doctors would
soon make their fortunes.
After a few words from Sir C. BURRELL, the House
went into Committee.
Lord MORPETH said that on a former occasion, in
reply to the Hon. Member for Oxfordshire, he stated
that he was not prepared to assent to the suggestions
proposed by that Hon. Gentleman. He had since
favoured him with a statement of the alterations he
wished to make, and as he recognised on all sides of the
House an unaffected sympathy with the objects of the
Bill, and a wish to carry some practical measure into
effect—(Hear)—and as the improvements suggested by
the Hon. Member would effect a considerable improve-
ment and advance on the present state of the law,
and if not likely to be so immediately beneficial as the
measure, as proposed by the Government, would yet lay
the foundation for future improvement, her Majesty's
Government, on duly considering the amendments,
thought it expedient to give their acquiescence to them
as far as their general effect was concerned.—(Hear.)
Being most desirous to effect some practical legislation
on this subject, he was a hundredfold more pleased at
accomplishing this object than if, by a positive adhe-
rence to the Bill as originally proposed, it was likely to
be defeated.—(Hear, hear.) The alterations he proposed
to make in the Bill were these, that when one-tenth (not
50 as it stood in the Bill) of the rated inhabitants of any
corporate city, town, or place, with ascertained and defi-
nite boundaries made application, inquiry should then
take place in the manner prescribed by the Bill; that, if
in the course of that inquiry it was found expedient to
add any new districts to the town or place, inquiry should
take place in the same way; that when it was not pro-
posed to include any new districts, or to interfere with
any local Act now existing, the general board might
proceed as in the Bill to submit a report which might be
applied to the district by order in council ; but that
when new districts were included, or local Acts inter-
fered with, the general board were in that case to frame
a provisional order not to be applied to the district till
the sanction of an Act of Parliament was obtained ; not
an Act of Parliament such as was required for private
Bills, which would occasion great expense, but a public
Act. There were other alterations with respect to offi-
cers, but those he mentioned were the main alterations
in the Bill.
Mr. HENLEY thanked the Noble Lord for accepting
the suggestions he had made.
After a few words from Mr. T. EGZATON and the At-
TORNEY- GENERAL,
Colonel SIBTHORP moved that the chairman report
progress, and ask leave to sit again.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL hoped the Honour-
able and Gallant Gentleman would not persevere in this
amendment.
Mr. MUNTZ asked whether the rate-payers were to
have the power of electing the local boards ?
Lord MORPETH replied most certainly.
Mr. HUDSON wished to have the Bill reprinted with
the amendments proposed or adopted by Government,
so that the House and the country might know how the
matter now stood.
Viscount MORPETH said he had endeavoured to
explai❑ the Bill in its new form.
Lord G. BENTINCK supported the proposition for
having the Bill reprinted, before the House proceeded to
discuss it in its remodelled shape.
Colonel SIBTHORP insisted upon his amendment.
Mr. SLANEY said that if the working classes knew
the manner in which a measure so vital to their inte-
rests was thus impeded in the House, it would tend
much to diminish their respect for the House.
Lord G. BEN TINCK would, at all events, call upon

the Noble Lord at the head of the Government to state,
simply and clearly, how the Bill now stood.
Sir R. INGLIS called upon the House to proceed
with the Bill.
Lord J. RUSSELL said they only asked the Committee
to go on with the Bill. The new clauses would be printed
for the consideration of the House.—(Lord G. Bentinek,
" Explain them.") He thought it would be quite wrong
to enter into explanations, and thereby serve those who
were desirous to create delay.
Lord G. BENTINCK denied that he wanted to create
delay. The Noble Lord did not appear to understand
his own Bill. There were in it 144 clauses, and they
now only required explanation of one of them, and even
that they could not obtain. Was there anything unrea-
sonable in asking for a delay until the explanation was
given ?
Sir E. N. BUXTON was sure the Noble Lord would
be acting up to the fdeling of the House, if he proceeded
without delay.
The CHAIRMAN then put the 2d clause. Some con-
versation ensued upon points of detail, after which the
clause was agreed to.
Clause 3, " Act to be applied, &c.. by orders in
council," was struck out of the Bill.
Clause 4 being proposed,
Lord MORPETH moved that in lieu of the proposed
Board of Commissioners the President of the Board of
Trade and two others, at her Majesty's pleasure, be
nominated to be Commissioners under this Bill.
The Earl of LINCOLN suggested that the fourth
and fifth clauses should be postponed.
Lord MORPETH looked upon these clauses as inte-
gral portions of the Bill, and did not see how it was
possible to postpone them.
The Earl of LINCOLN said that he and other Hon.
Members were of opinion that the clauses in question
were objectionable, and he, in particular, objected to
the appointment of an independent and new board. He
should therefore move that clause 4 be postponed, and
if this was opposed by the Noble Lord he would divide
the Committee o❑ his motion.
Sir R. INGLIS, in reference to some observations
which had fallen from Mr. Hudson, on the question of
postponing the 4th clause, said—No one, Sir, can pay
more respect to the aristocracy of birth, the aristocracy
of talent, or the aristocracy of character than I do ; but
I hope I shall never pay any respect to the aristocracy
of wealth ; and because any Member of this House
may be fifty times or five hundred times as rich as I
may be—
Mr. HUDSON (interrupting)—l never said anything
about that—
Sir R. INGLIS—I will never on that account allow
him undisputed by me to assume to have fifty or five
hundred times the influence.—(Loud cheers.) I never
willingly oftended any man—(Hear, hear)—but I must
be allowed to remind the Hon. Member for Sunder-
land that ho shall not be the man who shall
instruct me as to what part I shall take in this House,
when I shall be silent or when I shall speak.
—(Much cheering.) I have endeavoured to call the at-
tention of the House to the duty of passing some mea-
sure of sanitary reform, and I protested against delay—
s system of delay, as it appeared to me, injurious. For
that reason I rose an hour ago, and should not have
taken another opportunity of addressing the House .but
for that which I roust consider the unprovoked attack
made upon me by the Hon. Member for Sunderland.—
(Hear, hear,) lam actuated by no ill-will to that Hon.
Member. I did not provoke this discussion, but I am
ready to meet his attack.
Mr. HUDSON, who rose amidst cries of " Spoke,'

said—l have every respect for the Hon. Member for
Oxford, but I did not think it fair, when my Noble
Friend behind me asked a question f the Noble Lord
opposite, that the Hon. Member should get up and
attack me.—(" No," and " Question.") I do not know
what the Hon. Member means by talking about money.—
(, oh, oh.") I beg to say—[The Hon. Member attempted
to proceed, but in vain, in consequence of the interrup-
tions by which he was met—but concluded by apologis-
ing to the House for any warmth he had been betrayed
into.]
Lord J. RUSSELL—If the Noble Lord thought it
better that the clause should be postponed he had no ob-
jection, it being, however, understood how they were to
proceed afterwards. Without a central authority he did
not think they could proceed with the Bill—(Hear,
hear)—and he hoped the Noble Lord would not object
to go on with clause 6, on the understanding that the
Secretary of State, or some authority, should be made
the centre of authority afterwards.
Mr. NEWDEGATE thought time would be saved by
reprinting the Bill before going further with it.
Mr. S rUART could see no reason for postponing
these clauses if the principle was not to be altered.
Lord LINCOLN thought it better to postpone all the
clauses relating to the central hoard—that would be up
to clause 11.
After some conversation,
Colonel SIBTHORP moved that the Chairman report
progress, and expressed his determination to divide the
Committee upon it.
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Mr. CARDWELL had no doubt of the Noble Lord's
wish in that respect, but hoped that as much power as
possible would be left in this hands of the local boards.