The Sun.
London, England, 1846-06-25 00:00:00

JUVENILE OFFENDERS.

The Noble Lord also presented two petitions from the Cor-
poration of Liverpool, praying for an alteration of the law with
respect to juvenile off,nders.
The Noble Lord dlso presented a peti ion from the rope and
iwine makers of Liverpool. praying to ho exempted from the
opetwioti o: the Factory Act.
Also several petitions from various places in Yorkshire,
Braying that those persons engaged in factories might be pro-
tected irons furred overwork.
Lord SANDON moved for a return of the expenditure of
the East India Company for the last twenty years.
Motion agreed to.
LUNATICS ASYLUM.—ADJOURNED DEBATE.
SIR JAMES GRAHAM moved the order of the day for
the adjourned debate on the second reacing of this Bill.
Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN rose to address the House.
The Right Hon. Baronet stated, and stated fairly, that those
Hon. Members opposed to a Coercion Bill should not give their
votes in favour of it in consequence of the measures recently
passed through that House, and that those who were in
favour of it should not give their votes against it for the
opposite reason. Nothing could be more reasonable
than the first part of the Right Honourable Baronet
proposition. He had yet to learn that avy man would get up
and t'Y be w"l►4 vote for a Coercion Bill becaaie of a Coru-
mierc a Bill Which hers passed that House, and totally irr'"Pee-
ivis of the merits of the Bill, the conduct of the Minister who
had introduce:l tr, and the claimA ho had on th, C.ol,l,m'e Of
the country. The Bill must be pre-eminently considered a
w.
quettion of confidence, • and whets- they fo'ilad that
ILMWEd tht CriVeTURICIA with§ diVall49l2arY WM,

surely it could be considered in no other light.
be would take the following as an illustration. If the Govern-
ment; ins' ead of corning down to that House with free trade
measure;, and proposing that all restrict.on on the importation
of food should c ase and be abolished—had come down to that
House, and sought fur adiscretionary power toopen the ports—
he merely gave that as an illustration—it would be very evident
to every Hon. Gentleman in that House, that, in so doing they
would have asked for a larger pot' er, and greater confidence,
than the) had done with the present course; and he could
ch OSA no eistinction between a question of con&
dence on the restriction of tood over the liberties of a
who's people. If they were not prepared to intrust the Govern-
ment with such large powers in o::e case, neither were they
prepared, unless. they had the most perfect confidence in the
Government, to invest them with a ditcretinnary power to sus-
pend the constitutional liberties of seven millions of their
fellow-subjects ; and, therefore, he thought that the Right Hun.
Barone in attempting to separate the present question from a
question of confidence in the Governnsent, indulged in a view of
the question which the House would hardly support
He had no vote to rescicd on the present occasion, and althttnali
he did not wish to vote against it, still he could not bring his
mind to vote in favour of the measure. He had heard
so much of the eviis of a nominal protection that
it had in some degree become the habit of his mind.
He had applied this principal to the present Bill. There were
two points which had not been spoken to in the present debate,
which were first, whether this Bill would really pass; and second,
if it did pass whether it would be of any service at all. They
had been called upon to pass the present Bill, on the
ground that if they threw it out it would give an
impetus to agitation. He was not satisfied that
all the meats had yet been tried in order to put down tie
outrages which existed, and protect life in Iceland. 't he 2d
and 3d William IV was tried in the county of Leitrim with
success. In the other counties it bad not been tried at all.
He could not consent to the present abrogation of tht constitu•
when in one county at least the present law had been
succe stul.—( Hear, hear.) It was a bad policy to resort to
extraordinary measures, when the ordinary ones had not
been tried. Until they had tried the present law, it
was most unfair to su•pend the constitutional lib, rties
of a whole nation. The Night Hon. Baronet said the measure'
wts only a topical remedy, and not to be applied to all Ireland.
If it wet e so—if he laid stress on that character of the rare-
sure, they must look to those long resident in the five coun-
ties whether such a remedy would be effectual. He
found that all those- coonecied with those counties from
long ties, and had intimate knowledge, would be found going
against the measure. Every one must admit that it would
produce great alienation of feeling, anti they ought to pause
and consider whether the good to be obtained would counter-
balance the evil. He, at least, would say that as a native of
Ireloui, a resident in that country, and a magistrate, that he
could not consent to the measure.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.)
He considered it would be impossible to carry out the cut few
clauses of the B►ll. The provis►on was totally impracticable.
The Bill was totally inapplicable to the country, and that clause
particularly which enacted that the people should be confined
in their houses from sunset to sunrise. He him elf could not
enforee it in his own county. He would feel it, ther.foro, to
be his duty to oppose the secodd reading of the Bill.
'I here was a reason, however, for the increase of crime
in Ireland which those around him would readily
understand.—( Hear, hear ) He traced it to the failure in
the potato crop. The people found famine staring them in
t- e face, and the consequence was the outrages that swelled
the returns, but they ought no!, in fairness, to be set down to the
rditiAry conditi•tn of the people. He had rio hesitation in beating
his testimony to the conduct of the first Minister, mat in
stating that the measures taken by the Right Hon. Baronet
to meet that state ef things were more effecive in warding
off the distress and the evils than any Coercion Hill.—( Hear.)
however imperative it might be in them to show the necessity
of s me.imes sactific sing their old opinions. still. aster the
miserable exhibition-which had been seen that session, be die
nut regret havic g said at its commencement that he
owed unlettered allegiance to party. ft.et usages end laws
of that House had been constructed with reference to two great
parties, and because there had been mere than two he believed
that those laws were inefficacious, and would remain so. He
might say that if hereafter he should have to vote for coercive
measures, and he did not mean to say that it might never
come, he should not regret hay ng been able to advocate
a similar policy . and if he should hereafter have t
tabour with those whom be was now to assist in throwing out
of office; in any capacity under them he should not lrbour the
less cheerfully for being compelled to express his want 01 con-
fidence in them at ptesent, and to record his vote against
them now.

Mr. VESEY feared that he should appear at some disad-
vantage at this part of the debate, but het ou'd not rennin
any longer silent. Nei her could he refrain from expressing
oncurrence in the testiomony of praise to the Right Hon.
Secretary for the Home Department ; but further than
this he could not go, fir, as an Irish proprietor, be could
in no way accede to the necessity of this Bill.---(Hear. hear. )
He should go on two grounds, one was the nec isity, and
the other was the policy of tb's Bill. if he admitted the
police reports he was bound to say that there was great
reason shown for the severe measures which were projected
against Ireland. But in stating hus much he mutt call the
attention of the House to the fact that instead of the five
counties those reports had reference to the whale of the country
'and in the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet, it was evid.-rit
that he had merged the five counties in the whole of the
country, so that there was n sufficient reason for the applica-
tion of the Bill to the whole of the country. lie could state a
fact which occurred five veers ago, and t is was in particular
reference tot he most objet tionable part of the Bill. but one which
ought to have been included, viz., the security fur the witnesses.
This was a case which occurred when be was empanrielled on
the Grand Jury, when a man was brought forward whose
house had been attacked by a party in search for arms; and
not only had he stated when brought before the Grand Jury,
that if he gave evidence nis life would be in danger, but when
his brother was brought before the jury he fell upon his knees
bteheinngsintrod He
introduced and entreated that he might not be compelled to give evidence.
asbyglathde t o
Noble see
It had again been urged that other remedies might be
ah
ich
.ratebeodf
Lord the Secretary fur Ireland. It had been urged that
he
ephed remedies for
this
w
special commissions, increase of the constabulary, and other
means of that sort, might be beneficial in checaiug
he present stat,. Spectal Commissions had been tried in
vain in Queen's County, ior at the very time a Special Corn-
mitsion was siting in that county, some of the foulest mentors
were committed. Lord Grey had introduced his famous
coercion measure in consequence of the report of a Committee
of that House appu.nted to inquire into the itisturbed state of
Ireland.

(LEFT SPEAKING.)

AMERICAN PAPERS.

The following are extracts 'rum the American papers
brou4ht by the Great Britain
The Union professes to have some knowledge cone,rn-
ing the plan of tLe intended campaign against Mexico,
of which it does not give the details, but whi,h will
authorise the belief that the war will be pushed wiih
the utmost rigour. It adds that General Taylor will
-ion adgance into the enemy's country. and that it w •uld
not be surprised " to hear of his rea-ping Monterey.
about 130 miles from Matamoros, ab the commence-
ment of the table Land, at no distant day."
Congress proc,,,l!ngs are interesting. In the Senate,
on the 3,1, Mr. Dix, from the Committee on C.,mm,!re.-,
repor ed the Bill liona tne II te, to allow diawb,ek
goods irnperted from he Briti,h North American v...
'alleys for re-exportation, without amend,not, ami re-
commended its passage. General Gani. s, in the south,
having called wi'hout authority fir volunteers, a re,oiu•
Lion was introduced by Mr. Cass, to bring tho tt,urp t-
tion betore Congress. The House of Representa,ives
had been occulted by discussing the Supplem, ntary
War B, it.

A spirited discussion ensue I, and elicited the expres-
sion of a hope from Mr. Webster, that the boutsdar
would be settled between the two Goveremunts before
the close of this session of Congress. The discussion on
the 2d presented' no feature of note, and ultim,,tel) th•
Bill was referred to the Judicial Committee. An IW-
pression prevailF d that Mr. Pakeuham had received in
structi.ns to make a new offer ; but no disclosures bad
been made by the Executive.
The Oregon Tiestion still continued to attract dicus-
sion in Congress. In the Senate, on the Ist instant,
Mr. S,-vier, from the Committee on the Indi in Affairs,
reported a Bill to regulate intercourse between the
United States and the various Indian tribes of Oregon.
The 0, egon Jurisdiction then came up, and Mr. Cass
replied, denying that the treaty of Utrecht established
the 49th pralael the boundary to the Pacific.
The Committees on the Webster and Ingersoll ease
have closed their labours, and will prob,bly report in a
short poriod.
LETTER FROM THE ARMY.—We learn by the southern
mail of yesterday afternoon, that the steamer Telegraph
arrived at Now Orleans on the 27th inst.. from Point
Isabel, and brings the following intelligence :
On the 17th instant a detachment of COO regulars and
350 volunteers, proceeded to Barira and took possession
of it, and established a military depot.

On thi, night of the 19th, an express arrived from
General Taylor, stating that he ha t crossed the Rio
Grande, :And taken the city of Matamoros without oppo-
sition, the Mexicans having fled the city. The .klexicans,
from the last accounts, were Ceserting their ranks in
battalions.

Two regiments, with the exception of about 350,
having marched a few days previous, were stational at
Brazos Point, awaiting the oruers of Genwral Taylor,
hrt 1 it was thought they would leave on the 20th, tor
Matamoras, via the old Barite, road. Those who were
wounded in tne action of the Bth and 9th, are at Point
Isabel, and were recovering. _ _ _

All our accounts represent the Mexicans as having
fought on the Bth and 9th with a courage and despe-
ration which would have reflected credit upon the troops
of any nation.
They were nearly in a state of starvation, nod had
been promised the ample suppli,s of the American camp.
in case they would secure the victory. They met the
charge of our troops manfully, and stood the destructive
fire that was poured in upon thorn without giving way,
until their works were encumbered with the dead and
wounded.

TIIF; MEXICAN STEAMERS.—Captain Westbrook, of
the schooner F. A. Brown, arrived at Charleston on the
31st ultimo, from Havannab, reports that the two Mexi-
can steamers, Montezuma and Guadeloupe, had escaped
from Vera Cruz and arrived at Havannah, under Eng-
lish colours on the 24Th, in six days. One of the com-
manders reported th tt there had not been any news re-
ceived at Vera Cruz of the battle of Matainoras, when
he sailed.

The Commercial Association of German Princes who
untie, took to colonise the meuntsins of San Saba, have
not en successful in their plans. They directed b. et
or of one hundred waggons on the route towards the
colony, which was attacked by the savages. The Ger-
m •n emigrants, after fighting desperately, were over-
whelmed by numbers and oblked to retreat, leaving be-
hind them a great number of killed and wounded, in the
hands of the savages —The waggonscontained the whole
tort ones of the emigrants.
The people say that two companies ought to be dis-
patched without delay in par Stitt of the savages, it the
exigencies of the service will pt emit the absence of such
a lose from the main army. W hen the troops m.ke
their appearance, the savages will fly before them—nut
will afterwards return h 11,1 commit Lew ravag. a. A
strong body of soldiers should he pirmanettly siationed
near the settlements to rest r.un +h-se

FROM HAVANNALL—The t harleston ( r of the
15th, contains further information by the F. A. Brown,
from Havannah. In regard to the sscape of he .t.-x•-
can steamers, and th..ir arrival at naval,' ah, the Colirki
says :
-It was reported at Havannah that a demand had
ben made on the Mexican Government, by the builders
of these steamers, or by English merchants who advanced
the money, for payment, in default of which, their de-
livery was requlr.d, and that they were cons. ritiently
surrendered to their eust.fy: TiliA course was ..,doptcri
with the vieiv, no doubt, of saving them from capture by
our squadron.
Santa Anna was still at Havannah, and *Pe med h.-
vi ry .ndifferent as to what now happens in Mexico,
though he highly siisapproved of the conduct et his Go-
rnment towards the United State:.

The brig Joven Gre,rorio, tram Cisinpeachy, arrived
at Havanna, the 19th May, with flues to the 22d in.
elusive. An extra Cungtesss was held at Merida the
22.1 of April—the first and principal object of this Con-
e ress, was to he the organisation of the Peninsula of
Yucatan as an independent state.
The Captain-Genes al of Cuba. Don L.-opold O'Don-
nell, has received from the Queen the titles u: Count of
Llscana and Vbcount of Altaga
It was belie%ed at Ilav:-...moth that there would be no
privateers fitted out to depredate on ttse et.annesce of
this country.
The export of sugar from Cuayama. up to the 20 h
May, was as follows :—to United States 6,906 hhds. ;
Europe. 2,249 do. ; tiritiah provii.ces, 950.
o.ptain Burt, of the brig Adeline, from tienfuegoß,
informs us that the planters say that. in contiequetico
so much wet weathcr, a great deal of their cane will be
destroyed.
IMPORTANT MOVEMENT.—A member of the Uniod
States Senate has written a letter to the Aid the
Governor of Misuniri, in which he malts the following
important statement concerning an intended military ex-
pediiion to Santa Fe:—
WASHINGTON, May 14, 1846.

The morning papers will let you s*e that the state of
war was declined to exist y eq.-Tr-lay , between the Uni ed
States and Mexico. Our fir.„t cure in this suditti
change in our relaiious with that country gas to
try and take care of our Santa Fe trade. For this
purpose, it will be pr. posed to the pr•op'e of New
Mexic ). Chihuahua, and the other internal provinces,
that they remain quiet and continue tra,dinv with us
as u-tital, upon which ernidoion thr-y shad be protrcb,d
in all right, and be Lica vd
give *ff et to this propositne: and to m Ike sure at all
events, • f protection to the persons and p operty of
iur traders (hesid, s the pio-laination of tf,e President
th cat), Colonel Kearney will start irorn,d4ately
with 300 1) .atto-a,, to be f,llowed, as quick as pus
slide, by 1.060 llounted Voluntetrs from Missouri, and
with aut,aorily to engage the services, if necessary,
of all tlie American, in that. part of the worsts. This
rail tary movemeta will be to make sure of the main
otject. to wit : peace and tr Ae, to be secured peace-
ably if possible, forcibly if n c,ssary. Fur trtile,s they
accept these condition-, the country will have to be
-taken p.l.4,esviori of as a convest. T• is, however,
we hop will nut be nee. scary, as will be so obviously
to the int rest or the inhahi,ants of that part 4,f M x cu,
(t.. 0 tar from the Central Government to have any eff-et
in general hostilities), to enjoy the benefit of peace and
trade, with the full prot.,etion of all their rights of per-
son, property, and religion.
I'his letter is said to be from a source entitled to the
most impicq co::fidence.

The Republican ~ays, that a bearer of dispatches to
the Governor and Col. Kearney hat arrived from Wash-
ington 13,1.,ks are ope, ed at Sc. Louis for a corps of
1.000 viduuteers for this serv,ce. Several thousand, it is
said. could each be raised. Volunteers are pouring in
from every p,rtion of the State.
FROM THE WEST. —At Independerce Mo., on the
16th of M y. according to a correspondent of the Sr.
14, nth ttepuble.an, there were about 200 Mexican
trit lets ou 'heir wry from Santa Fe and Chihuahua,
to the East to purchase goods. They had with them
ahonr 350 000 dollars in specie ; they had to make
forced marches p.st of the way, being greatly pressed
by Indian robbers. About 40 wagLoms had left Inde
p nd..nce, f,r &trim Fe, during the week. The trade
with that place seew to by. but slightly interrupted, as
the inhab;tants of the N..rthern Mexu-ati departments
are sail to be strongly iu favour of its unbroken continu-
ance.
The correspondence ri-ferred to adds the following in-
f.,rmation

"The Or g..n emit ratcs have gone on in advance i)f
the Californians, to their great encampment on the
Kai,zas river, about one hutrired miles west of this.
I'he California emigrants held a nieetinu twetq five.
miles west of this place, on Indian Creik, and elected
their officers— 'ol. Wrn. Rusgell, Ca!litway was elected
their Captain. They have 141 fi.hiing men. 71 %omen
-and 109 eiildren, and 128 waggons. Ex-Governor
Hoegs. and Rev. James Dunleavy, this cum ty, are
arming them, with their families. There are many Ken-
tuckians with them

" We had an alarming fire in our town 0.• the night of
the 13th. It broke out in the large biack,mith shop and
waggon factor) of Juhn W. Mooie. who was engaged in
making waggons expre-sly for the Mexican traders.
The flames soon caught the waggon-making shop ..1
Nicholas Heltzer. The loss is est,tna.ed at 7 000 dollars.
Modie had contraets for furnishing waggons to ale
traders amounting to at least 'O,OOO dollar',"

AN rN DIAN WAR Tne New Orlranv Della stet
that a Mr. Gardi.er, from the town .n Sabine, in Texas,
brought intelligence, received by express from the nor.
them frontier, that the Chvrokee lodians have risen in
hostilit.es azai at T,xas. Ord. rs had come for comra-
des of m •ted tneit to oppos.- them, and it is said that
V'eir movements hare caused great excitement along the
trenter.
Th.• Delt4 adds, by wav of explanation. that then.
Indians stifle years b .nght their lands fr..ra a New
York Land Company. paying for it 30,000 cud's. It is in
the far northern part of T. xaa, and the government of
that country was alwa, a opposed to their settl;ng there.
so t -at a full and unreserv. d frien.iship was never esta-
blished between the parties. On the breaking out of
hostiliti-s at the Rio Grande, the ettrokees offered their
services to Governor Henderson : not having full confi-
dence in their feilty, he reused to accept th• it services ;
and now it is believed that they take advantage 4* the
existing state of thing,—whether the Mexicans hate in-
trigued and tampered with them is not known—to as-
sume towards the people of Texas a hostile attitude.
A flare-up between the French man-of-war t.t..amer
Tonnerre and the schooner Catherine, of New York.

On the morning of sailing, 19 ti of May, from St.
Jago. and within gun-shot of the Moro Castle, the Ca-
therine was near the French war-steamer Tonnerre,
from St. Domingo, bound in. She passed at first con-
siderably out of hailing distance, and not much nearer
than she was to five or six other vessels which had come
te.t in company. After she had run in about a mile and
received a pilot, being close to the Moro, she was ob-
served to back r.,und and manoeuvre some time, and at
intervals fired two guns.
She stood fur the sea, came near, and h4iled her in the
following words :—" You d—d rascal hoist your fl ig."
The answer was, that orders given in such insulting
language wou*d not be obeyed. Other abusive phrases
followed, and threats repeatedly made, that he would
fire into him unless it was immediately done. Her boat,
with a lieutenant on board, was twice sent on board with
a message, that unless the schooner set her flag, all the
force the stt amer commanded would be used to make
her do it—that her commander had the power to sink
the schooner. An answer in writing, as follow; was
sent

" To the Commander of the Steamer.—Sir : At the
first salutation you called me a damned rascal. and until
you apologise for such in.ultiug language I will not
hoist my flag. " Yours iespecttully,
"A. SC 0 FT, Master of the schooner
Catherine, of New York.
" Off the Moro, May 19, 1846."

About one hour was thus passed. during which time
the steamer was laid across the schooner's bow, and got
foul doing herself some damage—her commander in-
sisting on an unconditional obedience to his orders. the
captain arid crew of the schooner pholding the captain
in hire decision. The wind wa4 very light trom the east-
ward ; the schooner was lvpt on her course, going one
or two knots, when after mutual explanations. the ob-
noxious words were recalled and an apology given, then
separated.