The Sun.
London, England, 1846-04-10 00:00:00

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"Res Jived, C]tc this :riveting is of opt-,ion that the
zreat majority of the poor are annulled with an mix :mu
les're to avoffi the humiliation of living upon the bour.ty
)!others, and sea parochial relief only from the prc.sure
-if dire necessity, and that they nre entitled to the kind
reatmrnt of those who are by law appointed to dispLnie
:hat T.( lief."

wr,s corded by M. GEORGE ;JONES, and carricci

noun!

Mr. SAVAGE, in rising to propose the next resolution,
said he wished it to he distinctly understood that that
society bad nothing to do with the proceedings of guar-
dians in their leealitiea ; their of was to a:d the peer,
and to instruct them as to what they had a right to get
by law ; and a consequence of the existence of such a
society he believed would ba to put guardians or the
per and their officers upt,n their guard in doing their
duty. He then stated that the last year's returns were
300,0001. for law e.xpeases in litigation betwcea parish
and palish, al. to which was bound to support particular
paupers. But he had asked intelligent gent Linen whe-
ther they bad ever known a case where, the guardians
having been brought up hefore the magistrate for refusing
relief, money had been spent by the parish in def:ikling the
poor man ; bat the suppo!ition was admit L
novelty. To do this when necessary, that institution
had b:en formed. He then referred to practical illus-
trations of the present system. he said they employed
the poor in workin.; throughout the kingdom,
and he thought that was well, but they
had given the poor a kind of labour which
degraded them, and did not call oat tht it better
feelings. He would ask, had they allowed the guardians
of the poor to make their labour an article of merchan-
dise? Lie thought that ought to be put down. lie had
referred to circumstances at the last meeting. Ito had
referred to bone-crushing. Whether that was healthy
or unhealthy he would not say, but it did appear to him
• suspicious that guardians should employ the poor to
crush hones at an under price to manure their own
• grounds with. He had made a statement as to female
labour. He had stated the practice at Andover :a!
otherplaces. Be knew that persons in London cut out 100
dozen shirts, and sent them down to a manufacturer, who
would employ his influence with the guardians in getting
them done at a much less rate than they could be done
at in London., He had said so om the former occasion,
and hoped that inquiry would be made into the practice
in
ny ttlition lineo‘uvssepaopferCso, mtmheonfs. onolifntegr tlAleiettererpowratsapipeenatretdo
him:—

to bo a

" High-street, Andover, March 12, 1846.
"Dear Sir—Will you favour me, by return of post,
with the address and name of the party from whom you
received your information respecting the sale of shirts
made at the Andover Union and sent to the London mar-
ket, as it is said hero to be false. The statement appears
in a speech purported to have been spoken by you at a
meeting held in the Investigation Hall, Circus-street,
New-road, for the Poor Man's Guardian Society.
" Your reply by return of post will oblige,
" Dear Sir, your obedient servant,
" ROBERT GILBERT."
In answer he sent back a copy of the following :
"Dear Sir,—l have not seen the report to which your
letter of the 12th inst. alludes. I made no-reference to
the sale of shirts made at the Andover Union. but to
information I had that a guardian of a union in Hamp-
shire, residing at Portsmouth and Gosport, manufac-
tured shirts by commission for the London market, and
that he had shirts made by the poor in the workhouses,
and understood that Andover was one place ; adding, I
trusted the Committee of the House of Commons would
inquire into the practice and put a stop to a profit being
made by guardians, or others, of the labour of the poor
in workhouses.
" As the object of the Poor Man's Guardian Society
will be promoted by correct information, I shallftel
obliged if you can inform me whether any shirt-making
.
tishacnarirbiredthoenmbsyelythese.mates in the Andovert Uthnisiomn,eeotthinegr
it worthy the support of
Man's Guardian Society ; dot .Tclasses ;
and hereby
cordially iSaallv7aPperoonveeluodfethdewpirthinmci(p)vleins
the humane and benevolent of att.
by th • t
moving
—nd"oThjhracts of the Poor
operations con ri-
b Mr. BURN, and car-
This resolution was seconded
recommendbutions
advice,the
tied unanimousl3.
moved by Mr. WIIALEY and seconded by Mr.
That the Secretary be now authorised to re-
Inandt°aasifistiatisige)P,'e'
enter the names and addresses
to
of those ladies end gentlemen desirous of becoming
cimembersL'liri-vtlesDau' asiTsmsoefor subscriptions,
o bySns°c:
aiAenitdyr SI IDOUR and seconded by
Mr. JAIIDINE—" That this meeting has viewed with
feelings of great gratification the sympathy so generally
evinced by the press in favour of the Poor Man's Guar-
dian Society, and take this opportunity of returning
their grateful thanks for the space which has been al-
lotted to them in the columns of the public journals in
recording their proceedings."
The thanks of the meeting were voted unanimously to
Sir W. Ross for the munificent present he had made
the Institution.
'Thanks were unanimously passed to the Chairman,.
who replied, and the meeting adjourned.

•
Sr. CLEMENT DANES.—Mr. Sherville, the collector of
poor-rates for this parish, states that instead of 500 distress

POOR MAN'S GUARDIAN
SOCIETY.
A public tneetine in terthere.ce of the o',lecti of this
Society was held on Wednesday in the theetre of the
Maryleboee Literary and Seientilic Institution, Ed vvard-
street, Portman-square.
Mr. BOND CARRELL, oa taking the chair, said ho
thought it scarcely necessary for him to deff4in the
meeting for any time in reference to those objects which
had called them together, as there were gentlemen
present who had been at the forming of the soejcty, and
alto wound state to thew the nature of those (hes for
which the society had been called into exist( ncz. The
present was the third of those meetings which had been
held fur the purpose of eknablishing that ins:ilution—
an institution which it graified him to :1n cees en-
tirely separate from trey political feelin.; or ; :.,-ty
obi' et whatever. l'hey had beft,r!., them g, oe of
the poot—(lle.v., heai)— the interest of ...,_, a, dy;
411.1 SOriety ' had Leen to;ane,l it) titeec. ~'„ , ' ,h s )
sonroes of relief which bad b:!eli provtl:. ~.,; ..• ~ t.i.d
al,o io consider those cases requ.rieg' uid, p:.•. to ad-
anni)ter tla•J means of r: her. Charity prey .iled in this
t: nu: try to a very gi'e!tt cX:, Ilt ; tilo eXerCi:c of it was
e.surk.d by law, eue he found,, en loolzitee hfe is to the
dare of Etizibetle that the paoialaw provided for three
cases—the proteczion of infancy, the atlitooisirution of
.r(lief to the old, cod ;lie how.), of vvo: k t,) the at,le-
')odit d, unemp!oycil Lamm-or. Notwith..,onling these
provisions, the meeting, he thought, must be aw,re that
unrelieved poverty existed to a great anieutit through-
out their pepulattan. Meny wou:d work, but could
not find umploytue-it, ar.d were on that Le(:onnt le e.,,sed
with want. Oee m .in objet of the institution which
they were met to s,ppott, was to see that these poor-
' laws were properly administerel. , Ile said tho repre-
sentatives of Marylebone, Sir Benjamin Hall, and Com-
modore Napier, were both communicated with as to the
objects of the society, and both expressed their hearty
concurrence with these objects, but were prevented by
other engagements from being present that evening, and
occupying one or other of these places which he had
been called to fill. For this reason, indeed, he lamented
iheir absence, but he lied no hesitation in savior* that
~
oirt
tah.oeu.oldribgeinhis greatt st pleasure to aid every institution
which had for its object the relief of the poor.
:c e;e:lerd. et
o()edlio
r‘tavenaadei
tyetrba,epnopfse at
Bar
teeedadri:vtiohtodahte,
,RdAeNtaEillivnags called upon to give a statement
and objects of the society, which he pro-
those particulars which have al-
caionlduceuiponzuisftiao;flicoTni
th3e,h,‘S,diutinl.a waited Arleisa
oo,olloct Mr.ottil-
eiaesee'a at the lest public, Meeting, toapeqt him to'
m
become the president Of the society ; and that bait gen-
tlean had approved most cordially of the object of the
society, and consulted to become one of the vice-presi-
dents. lie would have been present that evening, but
for business which had prevented him. The rules of
the society were read, and letters fiorn Mr. Metealle
and Sir Wm. Ross. Two outline sketches from the pencil
•of Sir W. Ruts, illustrative of the objects contem-
plated
r:inte were nd(
ith i b d
eforeid
ctigra v itioigst on
e
tphletecdabrdysthoe society,
membership,
meeting. It was thought that their intentions could
thus be effeetually and eloquently made known
to all in a way wkich all could appreciate ; and it was
stated that Sir William, on being applied to, undertook to
sketch out a stCtable design, which he had dune and
presented gratie to the institution.
Mr. COCHRANE moved, and Captain EveNs seconded
the resolution, " that the report and proceedings of the
committee be approved and adopted."
An amendment was made against the money qualifi-
cation fur membership.
The resolution was carried by a large majority. -
Mr. BUCKINGHAM, after adverting to the interruption
which had occurred in -the course of the proceedings of
the evening, said that the principle had been reco-nised
in the law of Elizabeth, that all had a right to be sus-
tained. his said sustained, and meant not that ex-
periments should be tried, as had been of late, on hove
small a portion of food a fallow man could five. -
society had not been instituted to take up and con,ider
the laws, for the Legi.eure had net give.l them power
to alter or to make the laws. But it was a rec:gnised
principle in the laws exieting, that the poor, the
halt, the blin,!, and the lame,, yea, and the
healthy should be sustained, lie sa,v no ro :son
why the healthy should be excluded wheal they are
without the means of existence, for they are the class
who most feel the pressure of want and the eravinee of
a good appetite. It was well he thought that this ques-
tion was agitated, for it led to reflection on the principles
which based it. lie thought there was no claim for
erne class before another on the products of tite c:,r'h,
for all were equally born into the world, its inhati:t-.nts,
and therefore had all a claim to be supported —Wear,
hear.) Tlii7 saw societies instituted to prevent cruelty
being exercised towards the brute creation, its agents
and the police were on the watch that the lower animals
should nut be maltreated ; but wherefore, he asked,
were men, thinking, reflecting, beings, to be neglected
in their misery.—(Cheers.) Nowhere was there
such an extreme of riches and poverty as existed in
English society, and the reason he thought that they
continued to exist in tle. same seciety was the eetent
over which the different classes wi re spread. On board
of ship it weuld be diff.eent. In a caw of calandtr,
double rations could not be served in the cabin vihile
single rations were distributel in the forecastle. The
officer, he was certiar, mho should attempt to do so
would fail to retain the esteem of his melt. At the
same time lie would not be understood as advocating
equality of corolla:A), for that state, if it could be realised
to-night, would be found di-aipated on the morrow, and
men quickly returnin, to variety lc -their circumstances.
But he did hold it a duty on Government to look to the
pots, and the helpless, and unemployed, that none nsight
want that sustenance to which all had a right. He con-
cluded by moving—