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measure elsewhere, it was hardly just to the House, that those
on his side of the House should not support -the measure of
her Majesty's Ministers. His Hon. Friend, the Member for
the West Hiding of Yorkshire, had referred to other remedial
measures which he thought should be introduced into that
House. He had referred to measures for the extension of
municipal franchise, and of Parliamentary franchise in Ireland,
and had expressed a desire to see the other franchises in

Ireland put on the same- footing with the franchises in
England. For himself, he confessed he could not see in what
way the extension of political franchise of any description in
Ireland would be at all any remedy for the evils proposed to be
relieved by this measure. But when his Hon. Friend referred
to other matters and said that he thought that the relations
between poverty and property in Ireland required some new
arrangement, he cordially concurred with his Hon. Friend,
when he saw that Ireland, with eight millions of population, re-
ceived poor relief but to the amount of 256,0001. per
annum.—( Hear, hear.) Whilst in England, which with
Wales, contained sixteen millions, nearly five millions was
spent in succour to the country. He must confess that he
cordially concurred with his Hon. Friend in thinking that the
relation between poverty and property in Ireland required some
new arrangement ; he believed that some better provision must
be made for the people of Ireland. There was another point
immediately connected with this, to which he would
. take leave
to refer, and that was to the system of absenteeism in Ireland.
He could not disguise his firm and lawful conviction, that many
of the evils of Ireland arose from the sy stem of absent land-
lords receiving their rents and spending them in another
country. He was well aware, that in alluding to these doc-
trines he was not subscribing to the doctrines of political
economy. He was well aware, that according to Mr. ll'Cullock,
it made no difference to Ireland whether the landlord spent his
money in Dublin, in Bath, or in London, but he confessed he
had always been at a loss to understand such doctrine. He
believed that the first ingredient in the happiness of a country
was, that the gentry, who received the rents, should spend
their fortunes amongst the people. He could not help thinking
that some arrangements might be made, connected with the
levying of the poor-rates in Ireland, in which absenteeism
might be made more liable. There was an arrangement in
respect to tithes, by which two tithes were levied—the one was
the ordinary tithe, and the other was only levied as long as the
land remained cultivated. He thought that such an arrangement
might be applied to the poor-rates in Ireland, and also to all per-
sons, being landlords,w ho absented themselves horn that country.
He was well aware that another remedial measure might be
proposed, which, notwithstanding what had been imputed to
him by the .Right Hon. Baronet, the Secretary of State for
the Home Department, namely, that he was treading upon
dangerous ground, and that what he was now saying might
be written in letters of blood in Ireland—notwithstanding all
this, still he would say, that a measure might be introduced
of a nature very different from that which was now before
the House, and which would be much more likely to have the
desired effect in that country.—(Hear, from the Opposition.)
The Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home
Department had, in his (Lord G. Bentinck's) opinion, in in-
troducing this measure, propounded doctrines which he (Lord
G. Bentinck) conceived much more likely, if carried out, to be
written in letters of blood in Ireland ; because the Right H on.
Baronet had stated that unless he should succeed in carrying
his measure for the reduction of the protection upon food, there
would be an equal want of protection for life in that country,
which was, in fact, saying in other words that unless they had
free trade in corn there should be free trade in assassination.
Aad what did this argument amount to after all but
to this, that crime in Ireland was deemed of such
small amount that it was made dependent upon
the price of food. He had taken the trouble to
examine minutely into the state of crime in the five counties
in Ireland which the Right Hon. Baronet had already adduced,
and he had found that the amount of crime in those counties in

the three months preceding the month of August—a period
when provisions were cheap and plentiful—was greater than
that which existed during the alleged period of the potato
famine. In fact he had found that the number of crimes in

those five counties, in the three months preceding the month of
August, amounted to 1180, while those committed during the
famine period did not exceed 806. What then, he would ask,
had the state of crime in Ireland to do with the potato famine,
or what justification for Ministers was it to say that unless
this House agreed to pass a measure for the repeal of the
corn-laws it would be of no use to pass the present Bill.
When he saw that such men as Sir David Roche could not re-
fuse to eject the widow of one of his tenants while her husband
was lying dead in the house to gratify a lawless band ; when he
found that men who were the best landlords, and who were
distinguished for their attachment to the tenants of Ireland,
such as the Hoe. Member for Meath, could not walk over their
estates without being armed, he thought he and his party were
justified in supporting the measure. The Arms Bill of 1834
had been productive of beneficial effects, and this fact alone
would hate justified their support of the measure. These
were the reasons which induced his Hon. Friends around him
to support the measure whilst they were free and open to im-
prove the details. They did not deem that they were enter-
taining any measure that would prove tyranical towards the
people of Ireland, nor did they deem that in support-
ing the measure it would be inflicting injury on the
Irish people, but they rather thought the measure
was absolutely necessary in order to protect Irish improvements
of every description, and in order that the hand of industry
might not be arrested by the hand of the assassin, and it was
fur these reasons that he and his Honourable Friends around
him supported this measure.—(Cheers.)
Mr. J. O'BRIEN moved the adjournment of the debate.
Upon this motion the House divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment
Against it
Majority against the adjournment —46
On our return to the gallery, we found
Sir R. PEEL addressing the House. We understood the
Right Hon. Gentleman to consent to the adjournment till
this day.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE would make one morn appeal to
the Government to reconsider this Bill. It was quite clear,
from the determination of the Irish Members, that they would
not relinquish their privilege of taking their notice before the
order of the day. That would put off this measure and the
Corn Bill until after Easter, and when they met upon it
after Easter there would be a further delay of three or four
weeks. lie thought that the best way was at once to propose
that the adjournment be to that day three weeks. The measure
would lose nothing by the postponement.
Sir 11_ PEEL said he had already stated that it was his
wish that the debate should he adjourned till to-day, and he
would this evening announce on what day he should move that
it be resumed, and he hoped that the House would then support
him.— ( Hear.) He was quite aware of the great power pos-
sessed by a minority in opposing a measure, but he considered
himself responsible for the delay which might be occasioned by
Honourable Gentlemen on the other side of the House. He
was not disposed to put an end to the discussion, but he cer-
tainly should give the Hon. Baronet his decided opposition.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE could assure the House that since
he had first occupied the House on this question, he had a FJwia
fide wish to save, not to waste, the time of the House—( Hear,
hear) —and he must therefore deny the right of the Right Hon.
Baronet to make use of the expressions which he had concern-
ing his conduct, both on this and a previous evening, in the
course of this debate.—(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Baronet
had made use of expressions which he (Sir Wm. Somerville)
did not deserve.—( Hear, hear.) If it was the wish of the
House, he would at present withdraw the amendment, reserv-
ing to himself, however, the right to renew it, if he should
think fit, this evening.—( Hear, hear.)
The amendment was accordingly withdrawn, and the debate
adjourned until this evening. _ _ _ __ _

COAL WHIPPERS (PORT OF LONDON) BILL.
This Bill then went through Committee. Report to-
morrow.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS' (INDIA) BILL.

On the motion of Lord MAHON this Bill was read a second
time. He hoped the Right Hon. Baronet would be prepared
for the production of the budget, not later than to-morrow.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wished he
could give the Gallant Member as satisfactory a statement of
the period when the budget would be brought forward, as he
could of the state of the revenue. The Government had an-
ticipated a surplus revenue of 90,0001., whereas the actual
surplus revenue was 1,750,0001.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

A vote of 187360Tti00 Exchequer Bills was then agreed to.
BANKRUPTCY AND INSOLVENCY LAWS.
Mr. HAWES moved that the further consideration of the
Bill to amend the laws relating to Bankruptcy and Insolvency
be postponed until after Easter.
METROPOLITAN RAILWAYS' TERMINI.
Mr. P ROTHEROE moved for a copy of the Commission,
and Instructions to the Commissioners, on Railroads having or
proposing to make stations in the metropolis. lie also wished
to ask Sir Robert Peel a question on the extent of the powers
of the Commissioners on Railroads having stations in the me-
tropolis, with a view of ascertaining whether the Commis•
sioners will take cognizance of, or interfere with the Bills now
before Select Committees of the House of Commons, and espe-
cially the North Kent Railroad Bill.
Sir R. PEEL apprehended that the Commissioners would
have no power to interfere with any other part of the railways
than those which came within the bounds of the city of Lon-
don. They would confine themselves exclusively to railway
termini within the metropolitan districts. One of the schemes
contemplated the removal within the city of London of more
houses than was destroyed by the great fire of Lon-
don. He thought it was a subject, therefore, which
called for some supervision on the part of the Commissioners.
He considered that it would be better for the Select Com-
mittee to say whether or not they would reeommend that part
of the scheme to be gone into. It certainly was better to ad-
here to the spirit of the resolution, and not to the letter, as a
mistake had crept in.
Mr. HAWES thought that that part of the Bill which
affected the borough of Southwark should be considered by
the Committee, before they made their report.
After a few words from Sir Ds LACY EVANS and Mr.
MasTEssiais, the motion was agreed to.

Sir DE LACY EVANS brought up a Bill to regulate
the times of payment of rates and taxes by Parliamentary
electors, and to abolish the stamp-duty, on the admission d!

freemen.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at One o'clock.

EMILIA WYNDHAM. BY THE AUTHOR OF " Two
OLD MEN'S TALES," " MOUNT SOREL," &c., IN 3 VOLS.—
The above work is published this day by Mr. Colburn, and
may now be had at all the libraries. Mr. Colbum has also
just published the following popular new novels :-2. Con-
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" The City of the Sultan," &c.-3. The Robertses on their
Travels, by Mrs. Trollope-4. Peers and Parvenus, by Mrs.
Gore-5. The Citizen of Prague, edited by Mary Howitt-6.
Sir Roger de Coverlev, a Tale of the Court of Charles 11., by
the author of " Maids of Honour," and 7. The Queen of
Denmark (Caroline Matilda, sister of George III.), an Histo-
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her Majesty's Chamberlain.
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Tam FISHERY.--Since our last, the fishermen of
Mount's Bay have had some good catches of mackerel,
varying nightly from 500 to 2,000 per boat, which have
realised from Os. to 135. per 120. The latter price was ob-
tained on the day preceding the sailing of the steamers from
Ilayle to Bristol. Many cart-leads (in maunds) were
taken hence to Hayle, and forwarded to the markets of
Bristol, Bath, &a., and we are informed met a ready
cone
sale at remunerating prices.—hook fish have also bee
tinu n
very plentiful ; the fishermen at the Quay__ fifty fine
to bring ashore from twenty to forty and ri'ell
Friday morning,
ling and cod per boat nightly.
with he numbers
several boats left the pier and proceedOe
ward, and iu the evening returned each
collect to have seen.
above stated, and finer fish we never
12Ihs. to 6 ORM. Such a
o sea
The lints vary in size from about
has a Mile or
not been for the last forty
season for this kind of fis_h!ounesßay tw
will be considerably
years. The fisheries of M
enhanced when we shall haven railway to the metropolis:
ere in the morning may then be sold
fish brought ashoi:e
the same day.—Penzance Gazette. in
Binings,rate-mar.et
h
The °duty on
oranges amounts to 70,0001. per annum,
and on currants to 270,0001.