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animated all the parties concerned; would lead to; a satissert
tory settlement of the question without bringirigmtu opera';,
tion the guarantee, the existence of which he did not deal!,,
but which, in his opinion, did not at present bear upon the,
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practical question at issue.
Mr. DISRAELI said, the Noble Lord had informed them
that, under his advice, the Crown of England had acctrete,"tl,
the office of mediator. This being the case, he 114,4
Disraeli) wished to know how it was that, during that- s'
diation more than 40,800 men, being different contingen"
of the German empire, had arrived at the teat of war--44
circumstance which had led to the renewal of hostilities antA
to the revival of the blockade ?. He thought that fl 2
moment such a hostile demonstration took place the
Noble Lord was perfectly free to drop his position as a me"
diator, and to enforce the stringent character of the Pia'
rantee.
Lord PALMERSTON—Undoubtedly, if her Majesty,„
Government had thought fit to declare war against Ger"
many, it would have been perfectly easy to say that they
would cease to be mediators and would become belligerents;
but that was not a course wuich it was deemed advisable
to adopt. They accepted the mediation at the request of
Denmark, and with the consent of the other party; and 190
long as they saw any prospect of settling the question runi"
cably by negotiation, he thought that was the hest course
to pursue.
Mr. DISRAELI wished to know why, having accepted the
office of mediator, her Majesty's Government did not make it
a condition of acting in that capacity that no hostile measure 9
should be taken by the German Confederation; aid Way the
contingents of 40,000 men, to which he had referred, "re
allowed to enter Schleswig?
Lord PALMERSTON replied, that when her Majestf°
Government accepted the mediation, they proposed an atilt"
tice, and the parties had, from that time to the present, been
discussing the terms of such armistice. He believed, 1"91.
ever, that the generals on both sides had received orders t°
abstain from any further hostilities, and though no armistice
had been signed upon paper, there had been, and was now,
practically a suspension of hostilities.
Mr. COBDEN said he had happened to be one of a dePS
tation from Manchester who waited upon the Noble Lur",
(Lord Palmerston) some months ago upon this subjee"
They stated the vast importance to them of the trade with the
Baltic and Hamburgh, and they urged the Noble .Lord to 0
the part of mediator and not to change this character for
that of belligerent; and the Noble Lord would best meet the
wishes of the manufacturing community if he could with
honour maintain his present pacific posture of mediator!
(Hear, hear.) Now, as to the vote before the House, this
was, after all, a little loan ; disguise it as they might, ;all ig
selling stock or issuing Exchequer•bills, still they were going
to add to the permanent debt of the empire. But they would '
not act thus as individuals; individuals, if they had not the
money to spend, would retrench and diminish their expel:ldt
ture. A reduction of 800,0001. had been made since framing
the estimates; was it not possible to retrench a little snerej
ratter than increase our debt? He (Mr. Cobden) measure'
the strength of this empire more by our finances than bl
our armaments or number of ships; and he must maintsi°
that if we added 200,000,0001. more to our permanent debt,
then, in spite of all our military and naval force, we should
present ourselves in a crippled position before the world.
Nor was he sure that the Chancellor had told the House
the whole case for the next year in regard to expenditure;
and that all these marching and counter-marehings
Ireland, all these encampments and increased fortifies'
Lions, would not end in a very heavy bill being brought in
next spring. It was very well to say that the Kafir war
was a casual expense that would not occur again ;but We
had an Irish war and an Irish famine staring us in the face.
But if we spent all we could get, and ran into debt besides
we should always be finding some casualty arising so'
telling against us.—(Hear, hear.) The Chancellor of the
Exchequer stated that he was insolvent, and yet he had 1
long list of loans that he could make—loans to Trinidad, to
Tobago, New Zealand, and to the gentry of Ireland to W'
prove their estates. We were just running the career whicm
other nations had run, and which in the case of anothe',
nation we should condemn, but to which in our own case Ire
seem blind, and ready to treat England as if it had a charmed
existence.—(Hear.) That majority of the House, which lit
the spring refused a reduction in our armaments, and passed
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a vote authorising the expenditure, was bound to resolve P.'
raise the money—to raise it during this session, and t-°
raise it by an additional tax, whatever discontent it migb".
create.—(Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. NEWDEGATE on the loss of
our export trade,.
Mr. HUME inquired when the Bill would be read a second
time, as he should divide upon it?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER appointed
Monday, at five o'clock.
The resolution was agreed to. The House resumed ; the
report to be received this day. .
BATTERSEA PARK, &c., BILL.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY, before the House went into Com'
mittee on this Bill, wished to move an instruction for •
clause requiring annual accounts of receipts and payments inf
the department of Woods and Forests, with a statement
debts, to be laid before Parliament. The Committee on
Woods and Forests reported that there was great irregularity
in the accounts.

Mr. HENLEY seconded the motion. •
Lord MORPETH said his Right Hon. Friend the Chstll'
cellor of the Exchequer had directed an investigation to be
made into the mode of keeping the accounts of the office
of the Woods and Forests, the system of, which was fool' -
to be defective, and the present Bill contained , provision
upon this head. It was the wish of the Government that
everything should be done to obtain as perfect a systeM
accounts as possible. It was his (Lord Morpethc) desk°
to give the utmost publicity to the acccitants, and if the
Honourable Baronet would furnish him with the proposed
clause, he would give his best attention to it, with a view of
embodying it in the Bill, if unobjectionable. The Noble
Lord entered at some length into the reasons which had in-
duced him to propose the Bill, and to provide funds by means
of debentures.

After some discussion, Sir H. WILLOUGHBY withdrelf
his amendment, and the Bill passed through Committee.
RENEWABLE LEASEHOLD CONVERSION (IRE-
LAND) BILL. . .
On the order of the day for going into Committee on this Bill,
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said, that consider' n 0 the period of '
the session at which they had arrived he felt obliged to post-
pone this Bill until next session.—(Hear, hear.)`
The Bill was then withdrawn.
DUBLIN POLICE BILL.I '
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
The House went into Committee, and passed a resolution
on which the West India Loan Fund Bill will be. founded.

NEW BILLS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER obtained leave •
to bring in a Bill for regulating the liability of trustees of
savings banks, and for providing for the appointment of audi-
tors of the accounts of savings banks.
Lord MORPETH obtained leave to bring in a Bill to pro'
vide for the expenses of erecting and maintaining lock-uP '
houses on the borders of counties; also a Bill to simplify•tb!
laws of certificates under the Act authorising the advance of
money for the improvement of land by drainage in Great ' •
Britain.
;NCADIPMENT

THE ENUIL..-_ _. -AT THURLES.
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Mr. F. MAME laid on the table the correspondence wioc'
had taken place between the Government and General Mae'
donald and Colonel Taylor on the subject of the encampment
en Mr. Maher's grounds near Thurles ; and took the opP°,_l::
that, so far from the encampment De"
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sof the windows of the house belonging to the
Hon.wt ui_
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for Tipperary, it was 200 yards distant. onthi
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was happy also to state that since the Hon.
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brought forward the charge which he had made the ladjils.,:
his family had promenaded the grounds and listened to .
music of the band, without being apnoyed Ly any of OW
obscenities to which the Hon. Member had alluded. He only
regretted that the lion. Member had lent too ready an ear to
the representations which had been made to him.
The House then adjourned at a Quarter to Two o'clock.