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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LOnDS June 29

Their Lordships met at Five o'clock.
BANKRUPTCY' AMENDMENT ACT.
On the motion Of Lord BROUGHAM, this Bill was
read a second t'.cae.
PROTECTION AGAINST VEXATIOUS ACTIONS.
This Bill was also read a third time and passed, on
the motion of the same NOBLE AND LEAaNFD Loan.
SUGAR BILL.
Tht Duke of BUCCLEDUCHUTIES move() that this Bill be
read a second time.
On the motion of the same NOBLE DUKE the standing
orders were suspended. The :Sill went through Com-
mittee, and was subsequently
Passed.. read a third time and
RAILWAY COMP.A INTIEs DISSOLUTION BILL.
On the motion of
Commons' amendments to this Bill were a HOLTSIE, the
greed to.
tile Earl of DAL
The Duke of
mittal of the A.M moved the re-com-
it
--NI
ailway Buckinghamshire (Tring and Banbury)
the
Bill. .t Committeeto the decision of the Select on
ofThe object; he said, was to consider the propriety
Passirg a portion of the Bill which was not objected to.
with Vd
Ec w
urst inform the Hoe that he made the motion
e concurrence of the' chairman, else he should not
with. presumed to have done so.
lord STANLEY explained the reasons why the Corn-
Inittee decided against the Bill in question. They
did so because they believed the line as an
independent schr:me would not pay the share-
holders for the capital invested. Since then he
understood the scheme had been so altered, that
the major part of it was to be abandoned, and a branch
of twelve miles retained to accommodate the towns of
Buckley' and Buckingham. This small portion
anded to be obtained was unobjected to byb the
proprietors along the line, and would be worked
,_y another company. Under these circumstances he
had no objection that the Bill should be re-committed
for the purpose of considering the propriety of granting
the portion in question..
Lord BRou II p
, to
M had always felt a great objec-
tion
vo the
mmitteeo interferenceki of the House with railway
In the present case the circumstances
seemed e L-‘the Bill
.r, J-);siuerawy altered since ...no was before
"ep:tnittee; he thought, therefore, that there was no
object'.on to the Bill being referred back to the Coin-
klit`Lee.
Lord CAMPBELL did not think they were departing
from the sound principles of non-interference with the
decisions of railway Committees by referring this Bill
back to the Committee.
The motion was then agreed to.
It was then ordered that the Bill be referred to the
Select Committee for re-consideration.
Their Lordships then adjourned till

nest.

LWAY COMMITTEE 4.
(YESTERDAY)

OF LORDS.
GROUP C.
lIMRCULANETIVX DOCKS.
._The Committee re-assembled this morning, Lord Ashbur-
ton ._The
the chair, when, after some time, the preamble waB
declared to be proved. The clauses of the Bill were passed
through. without amendment, and the report ordered to be
brought up.

GROUP D.
IVIANCHESIY;•EIt, MIDLANDS, .AND GREAT
Glt IN/SIM JUNCTION.
The Committee assembled this morning, Lord Somers in
the chair.
Witnesses were called to show the nature of the produce
on the respective lines of the present competing companies
for this line, the chief points being to show what
'Was the extent of magnesian limestone carried into
and
Lincolnshire from the neighbourhood of Worksop,
the supply of stone for grindstones sent from Thryburgh
and Wickersby to Sheffield, as also the number and extent
of the ironworks in the neighbourhood of Rotherham.
The statements with respect to the miuer..l3 were made by
Mr. Sellers and Mr. Byron, bath connected with the district,
the latter agent to Earl. Fitzwilliam for his mineral pro-
perty: Mr. Dyson, of Rotherham, was the principal wit-
ness called to show the extent of the ironworks, and be
stated that his own manufacture was 500 tons daily, and, of
noise, many thousands of tons a year.
Mr. Chadwick stated that he was the owner and the oc-
cupier of the stone quarries at Thryburgh, and that the
thing quarries at Wickeraby are nearly exhausted; while
was the additional advantage, the stone having to
descend a considerable elevation.
The Secretary of the line was then put into the box, and
repeated the formal proofs which had been deposited before,according to the standing orders. The population within
three miles of the line, but including all those residingin
Gains-
borough and Rotherham, as stated by Mr. Belton, who has
been employed in taking the traffic, was 65,855 on a line of the
rolnoters, exclusive altogether of the population of Sheffield.
witlurut speaking as to accuracy, he found that the local
POpulation was 39,000, or, according to the statement of the
engineer of' the Sheffield and Lincolnshire line, only 34,000.
A long cross-examination ensued. in which Mr. PAGET
endeavoured to elicit that the several places on the line for
'whose population credit had been ten were, though appa-
ZelttlY, really several miles distant;; but the discrepancy
aPPeared to be reconciled by the circumstance, that though
parts of the several parishes were far off, yet the population is
Scattered, and spread over wide districts.
Mr. Macconnell, the engineer locomotive superintendent
of the Bristol and Birmingham line, who attended under a
'warrant from the Speaker, expressed an opinion that
there woald be danger in the junction of the Sheffield
and Lincolnshire line with the Rotherham Railway, as the
line was there on a descent. He was impressed with the
necessity of having four policemen stationed at each of the
four points of this junction. It would be necessary also to
have a first-dass station there, where all the trains might
atop, as, from the natural slope of the ground, it was impos-
sible to see the trains as they approach. The northern point
lin 4 the Midlands Railway would be particularly dangerous,
Consequottes of the cutting interrnptils,.._
ways.
On re-examination by Mr. PAGET, it appeared that all
the junctions in the kingdom are made by the up or the
down train passing from one pair of rails to the other, and
that. the junction here spoken of was on an incline of 1 in 100,
still he had himself formed a gradient of 1 in 37, though he
disliked gradients.
To Mr. Sergeant WILKINS the witness said, that the
employment of policemen would be inevitable, and thus the
expense would be ten guineas a week for this watching.
With respect to the junctions which had been alluded to, all
the trains on the Birmingham and Midlands Railways, with
the exception of the express train, stopped at Rugby, and he
had understood, with respect to the Warrington line, that it
was considered so objectionable, that the people of Liverpool
had this session applied for a new and direct line, in order to
avoid the danger and delay of that junction.
Mr. Payne, the manager of the traffic on the Bristol and
Birmingham, considered the Woodside Junction very inad
visable.
Captain Lewes, manager of the Manchester and Leeds
Railway Company from its establishment, testified as to his
knowledge of the country through which the line of
the promoters was to pass, and to his opinion of the
excellence of the line from the communication which
It opened up with the Yorkshire coal-field, which is one of the
largest in England for the eastern counties of England.
The Aubrey section strikes the Sheffield and Rotherham
line about two miles and a half from Rotherham, and in-
tersected the Silkestone coal-field for more than
three miles, and as the whole of the line was on a de-
scending gradient there would be an excellent facility
for the transference of this coal to every part supplied with
communication by the London nod York line. He el, cidedly
objected to the junction at Woodside, and would rather go
round by Sheffield to Rotherham than incur the risk
and trouble of it. With respect to the inclined plane which
bad been objected to in the Manchester, Midlands, and
Great Grimsby Junction line, he could say that
the Oldham incline, on the Manchester and Leeds
Railway, is 1 miles long, and on a gradient of 1 in
27, and yet, by the adoption of a system of balances, they
found no difficulty whatever in daily overcoming it. There
could be no doubt, therefore, that the engines could be
Worked up the proposed incline of the promoters at a speed
of twenty. five miles an hour. The facilities for traffic at
Sheffield had been greatly increased by the enlargement of
the station.
In
that ins-examination by Mr. BMWS, Captain Lewes stated
ascending the Oldham incline, all the contingencies of
breaking of ropes and braces had occurred, but they had al-
C',found the power of the engine in front sufficient to over-
difficulty. He Ile denied that there had been any de-
. oidins de
Lto the elanches+er and Sheffield lin and al-
though inter
in the Pontefract, Wakefield,
and Goole,
as well as the uran., to Hull, though not an engineer or a'
practical manager, he ',mild, in the face of the opinions of
all the civil engineers in tes kingdom, persevere in his im-
tss oithis gradient.
pression of the great injudiciot...o
The Committee here adjourneo till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
GROUP XVII.
MANCUEsTER AND SOUTHAMPTON.
The Committee met this morning at the usual hour, and
were occupied the whole of the morning in hearing evidence
in support of the opposition of a few landowners. In each case residential injury was complained or, but the
cases
possessed no feature of public interest, beyond the
tact that
the railway simply intersected the lands of the petitioners.
Mr. ATHERTON then proceeded to address the Committee.
against the ,line, on behalf of Mr. Roe, a landowner at
Southampton, near the site of the proposed terminus. He
is the owner of a wharf fronting the water, the access to
'which he held would be destroyed by the line; and, there
gill.Praykd the Committee not to pass the preamble of
ithenrnoAllaeki an architect at Southampton, considered that
and that the the Dorchester line would be dangerous,
into' early serious 's earr3 ing of trains along the quays would offer
terfere with those rice to the usine-s of that
.locality,
b ' and fn-
the purpose of recreation.e
Who wre in the habit of going there for In his cross-examination b Mr. AL NDEIL, he stated
that four roads were crossedmliontrains in connexion nnexion with the
South-Western, at Southa
c°hich belonged to
Mr. Roe. On the whole, he conaenreedothwe railway would be
of advantage to the to le,
He should like to see direct rail-
way communication with the north from z•:outhampton.
The Committee then adjourned until twelve to-morrow.

GROUP XVIII. .
E0111)04.• NVVVDTS72,Ir, AND ISAMU
DraECT.
Mr. Sergeant IVrtaxGßAm dto the Committee that
she promoters of the Bill had endtate eavouted to carry out the
Wish expressed yesterday by three members of the Com-
mittee: that twelve
Companyd been submitted on the part of
the Great Western , and that eleven of these had
been arranged, and that the twelfth point could not be agreed
upon; he, therefore, requested the Committee to ;appoint a
third party, who should have the power of deciding upon that
Point. By his decision they were quite ready to elide.
The. CHAILIMAN stated that as the parties could not agree
among themselves, there was no other course left open for
the Committee but to proceed with the case.
Sir DE LACY EVANS thought, as the promoters of the
Wilts and Somerset line would not come to any agreement,
they must proceed at their own risk; they had heard the in-
timation of the Committee upon the subject.
Mr. Cave, the traffic-taker, was accordingly called, and
was cross-examined by Mr. DENISON on the traffic-tables,
which he hid propat oil with I. mot tedious minuteness.
Mr. ArIEEREWETIIER then called Mr. Walker, the Admiralty
engineer, who stated that he had been in communication
with the Speaker for a considerable time, which was his
apology for not appearing before tbe cioramittetet twelve