The Sun.
London, England, 1846-02-13 00:00:00

inap.:ssible to teach the proprietors or renters of the soil
to do ss, if they did not take steps to prevent that
property and necessary expenditure from spoliation and
aggression. With respect to the matter of agriculture,
he could mention a case of one gentleman, who was the
owner of a large farm, which consisted principally of
fine grass land. Last year he was ordered by the
people to give up a portion of this grass land,
in order that same part of it might be devoted
to the cultivation of potatoes. He was in
the habit of keeping a large number of cattle, who cot:-
sumed the whole of the grass which his farms p o lured,
the soil being particularly adapted for pasture land. He
yielded and placed some of his cattle in stalls, but this
year the people did not care to have cattle fed in stalls,
as they would consume food which they required ;
and he thought it pru lent to submit to this,
as he had re eivcd an intimation thst if ho did
not acquiesce he would be compelled to do so.
If he had not been misinformed, the person to whom he
referred tried is ascertain how far he would be sup-
piled by the authority of the country if he
set his faca against those who tried to co2rce
him. That, person was, he b lieved, in communicet'on
with the Castle of Dublin, and received certainly, if rot
public, at least private advice, that the wisest c( u-se
would be not to expose his property, but to
give way, as I.e had done.—(llcar, hear.) Ho
knew that in the presnt state of Roscommon
there was no protection for property, and ho did consi& r
the advice gold if there wts no prof ct'on for life
or property. He would not go into party matters ; he
wou d not inquire I o v far political mi.management had
to do with the troubles of that country, but he would say
that something ots-sht to be done in the shape
of an efficient administration of the criminal Isw.
They had now met three weeks, and no steps
had been taken for that purpose. The returns he had
moved for would, he was convinced, justify the remarks i
he had felt it his duty to make, and tl e views he had
adopted, with reference to the a ate of the count. y.
Perhaps be might be told that when that return was laid
before the House it would exh,bits a diminu isn of
crime of late days, perhaps of late wee!ss. Ile would
almost say, although the expression might sound Irish,
that he was afraid it would be so. He wk.u!d explain
this very simply. He knew that in one portion of
Ireland there had been less crime,—less out. age; but
what was the reason? Because these combit ed law-givers
hid it all their own way.—t Hear.) As he had sa',d before
this combined system of outrage had spread from one
country to another, to a most alarming extent, and
this he believed was solely owing to the supine-
ness cf the Government. It was very true that
Tipperary had been in a disturbed state since the
days of Queen Elizabeth, but now portions which had
not before been tainted had become infected. He con-
tended that all this was owing to the insvffieient protec-
tion given by Government. He concluded by moving
for the returns he had referred to.

Earl St. GERMANS (lid not rise for tha purpose of
opposing the production of the returns arhic:i had been
moved for by the Noble Lord, b it merely to state that it
was the intention of her Mlje3.y's Gover iment to bring
uron the table a Bill on this subject referred to in
her Majesty's speech. He thought that the Bill would be
found calculated to remedy the evils a hich the Noble
Marquis had painted so darkly, but not, he (Earl St.
Germans) believed, in more gloomy colour: than the
subject deserved. He would merely observe, in refer-
ence to the charge of supineness brought against
the Government, that it was no light matter
to set aside the other laws of the land, or to
abridge the liberty of the subject. It was a matter
of deep - consideration whether the existing state
of the country justified a meaEure of this extra-
ordinary nature. Her Majesty's Government had, after
mature deliberation, come to the opinion that the st:►te
of the country did justify the adoption of such a measure,
in order to repress the actions of those who %ere opposed
to all law and order. _

Lord FARNHAM must, in common justice to her
Majesty's Government, give them credit for having done
all in their power to produce a better state of things in
Ireland.

The Earl of CLARE said the measures which had
Seen taken by her Majosty's Government in Ireland had
been attended with the most b.2necial results.

Earl GREY was glad to find that it was the
intention of her Mejest3 's Government to bring in a
Bill on this tusject. He entirely agreed with
his Noble Friend (the Marquis of Clanricarde)
that some measures should be taken by which security
would he given to life and property in Ireland. This un-
doubtedly was the first step towards Enprovernent in
that country, but ho hoped their Loriships and her Ma-
jesty's Government would not for a moment delude them-
selves with the idea that what they were doing was
all that was necessary fur the present state of things.
Any measure that proposed to check insubordination,
while it merely afforded temporary relief, in his opinion,
was not equal to the case. It was not sufficient to
meet the failure of the potato crop, but they
must devise measun s for the permanent improvement
cr the country. He thought it right that he should
state this. Let them look to the state of Ireland as a
whole. There was something radically wrong in so-
ciety there, else these symptoms would not perpetually
occur. And until both Parliament and the country
looked the real difficulties in the face, and adopted
their measures in a large and comprehensive spirit, not
shrinking from going in oppesitiun to long cherished
prejudices and opinions—till they did this, they would
not he able effectually to remove the evils of that unfor-
tunate country, It was their duty to propose compre-
hensive measures for the evils of Ireland, so as to ef-
fect their abatement and work out a case. The ques-
tion hal long been under the consideration of both
Howes of Parliament, but unfortunately party views had
interred with its dispassionate consideration; but he
hoped the time had come when they could, without re-
ference to party feelings, all agree in the propriety of
investigating into the real causes of this unhappy state
of things, and in devising a remedy.—'(Hear, hear.) He
thought it right to state his opinions, as, from what fell
from the Noble Lord opposite (the Earl of St. Germans),
the Bill to be introduced by the Government was to
be confined to the single object of establishing security
and repressing outrage. lie (Earl Grey) considered
that the Government would fail iu its duty to the House
arid the country, if, while it proposed rigorous measures,
it did not give a statement of the general policy, end :he
measures it intended for the permanent improve-
ment of the condition of Ireland. He hoped that
some accounts would be given of the general mea.-
Kees intended to be propot,el at the time when the
Noble Lord introduced the Bill to which he had re-
ferred.
Their Lerdships then adjourned.