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DEEDS REGISTRATION BILL.

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The LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition from
the solicitors and attorneys of the city of York, against the Bill
introduced by his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Camp-
bell). At the same time he wished to intimate tha.t he would
express no opinion either for or against the Bill.
CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL.

The LORD CH ANCELf.oßl);esented a petition against
this Bill from the Braziers' Company of the city of London.
SEES OF ST. ASAPH AND BANGOR.

The Bishop of Exeter preseated a petition Irons the Dean
and Chapter of Westminster against the union of th,:se two sees.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took the chair at Four o'clock.

REPORTS.

The follow;ng reports were brougt up and agreed to, and the
Bills ordered to be engrossed, viz. :
Harrowgate Gas.
York and North Midland Railway (Whitby and Pickering
Extension).
Edinburgh and Peebles Railway.
Great Grimsby and Sheffield Junction Railway ( Humber
Ferries).
Carshalton Rates.
Northumberland Docks.
Edinburgh, Leith, and Granton Railway (Extension and
Branches).
Edinburgh and Leith Atmospheric Railway.
Edinburgh and Northern Railway (Branches front the Dundee
and Arbroath Railway and Tay Ferry Improve ment).
Edinburgh and Northern Railway (Strathearne D. sviation).
Edinburgh and Northern Railway (Newport Railway and St.
Andrew's Branch).
Rye and Derwent Drainage.
Newcastle-upon-Tyne Improvement.
Manchester Markets.
Arbroath and Forfar Railway.
Airdrie Police.
Salford Hundred Court.
East Fife Railway.
BILSTON GAS-LIGHT AND COKE COMPANY.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
ST. A USTELL SMALL DEBTS.
This Bill also read a third time and passed.
LONDON, BRISTOL, AND SOUTH WALE S DIRECT

'RAILWAY.
Mr. GREENE made the following motions, all of which
were agreed to :—That the Order made on th 13th day of
March last, referring the London, Bristol, and South Wales-
Direct Railway Bill to the Committee of Selec :tion, be now
read ; and that the said Order be discharge. I ; and thnt
the said Bill be withdrawn ; and that the Midland
Railway (Nottingham and Mansfield Itranch) Bil
be read a second time this day, notwithstanding -the Breviate
of the same has not bee laid on the table one cl ear day pre-
viously ; and that the Committee on the Caledoni an Insurance
Company have leave to sit and proceed on Frids .y ; and that
the order of the sth day of May last, referring to the Birken-
heap and Llangollen Railway Bill to the Commisti :e of Selec-
tion, be discharged. That the said Bill be withd. raven.
METROPOLITANSEWERAGEMANURE( 30.MPANY.
Colonel WOOD proposed the second- reading of this Bill.
Sir DE LACY EVANS objected because I he Commis-
sioners of the Metropolitan Sewers had had na o pportunity of
opposing the Bill before the Standing Orders Cot nmittee. He
did not pretend to say that there might be very great advan-
tages to agriculture if the principle of the Bill were carried
into practice. lie thought, however. that an experiment of
the kind that was contemplated had better be tried in some
less populated district, but instead of that the most densely
inhabited part of the metropolis had been selected. The
effluvia from these operations would be very- offensive.
And Le understood it would be necessarrto have- a chimney
100 feet higher than St. Paul's to carry off the 4 auvia. A
noxious gas would be generated, which tend mat erially to in-
jure the health of the inhabitants of the metropolis., A similar
experiment had been tried at Edinburgh ; but isa consequence
of the numerous deaths that'were occasioned, tine scheme was
abandoned. Other experiments had been tried., but all had
been abandoned in consequence of the injury to b. salth that re-
sulted fret tLe noxious effluvia. He should move as

MAY 14, 1846

amendment that the Bill be read a second time this day six
months.
Sir ROBERT INGLIS seconded the amendment, and al-
though the promoters of the Bill contemplated conferring be-
nefits on agriculture, he would not be a party to benefitting the
agriculturists at the expense of the health of the inhabitants of
towns. The scheme was one which, if undertaken at all, ought
to be undertaken by the Government, and not by a public cot&
pany. The Bill contemplated raising a large reservoir of ma-
nure, and then squirting it up to the height of Highgate-hill.
The effluvium would overtop the neighbouring hills of the me-
tronolis, and would give rise to typhus fever and other diseases.
Mr. MANNERS SUTTON said it was a general rule that
in private Bills Members of the Government should take no
part—but the present Bill was one that interfered with public
health, and therefore the Government were bound to give an
opinion upon it. It appeared that the public health was likely
to suffer if the principles of the Bills were allowed to be carried
into practical operation, from the malaria and noxious of
which would be generated.
Colonel F. WOOD stated, in reply, that he considered Go-
vernment should not interfere in the measure—at any rate not
on the second reading.
Sir G. GREY thought the Govarnmant had acted quite
properlo in causing an inquiry to be instituted irate the matter.
Sir J. GRAHAM proposed that the consideration of the
question should be postponed till Monday next, when the re-
port prepared :or the Government would be placed in the hands
of lion. Members.

Lord R. GROSVENOR supported the proposition.
The further consideration of the question was then postponed
till this day week.
RYE AND DERWENT RAILWAY.
Mr. EVELYN DENISON called the attention of the House,
at the time of bringing up the report on this Bill, to the opposi-
tion of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners to the preamble of that
Bill. The Hon. Member stated that it appeared strange to himself
and other Members of the Committee that the society should
have fumds to spend in this opposition, while it could not pay
the sums required for the carrying out of its legitimate pur-
poses. It was, however, accounted for by the circumstance
that Mr. Charles Knight Murray was Secretary to the Com-
mission ; Mr. J. Murray, his brother, was the solicitor who
conducted the case; and Mr. Murray, the third brother,
was the Counsel before the Committee.

On the return of the Speaker to the House,
Mr. E. DENNISON said, that during the absence of the
Speaker from the House, a paper had been put into his (Mr.
Dennison's) hands, which was addressed to himself, and which
was signed White and Murray ; but he begged to say
that, until he came into the House, he had had
no knowledge whatever of it. He now begged to say that it
appeared to the Committee that the ecclesiastical commissioners
had failed to prove their case, and he appealed to several
Members of the Committee whom he now saw present to state
whether he was correct or not.

Mr. G. PALMER said, that he as chairman of the com-
mittee, quite concurred with the Hon. Member.

Mr. HASTIE said it appeared to him that no case had been
made out; from all he had heard of it, he should say it ap-
peared to him very like a job.
Mr. E. DENNISON said that he did not know now what the
House would think of the paper he held in his hand.
A similar case existed at the present moment in that House.
The Hon. Member for Sunderland had been obliged to leave
the House, and had placed in his hands two cases, which he
desired him (Mr. Denistoun) to lay before the House. One
of these cases was on the Newcastle and Darlington Railway
Bill, against which the Ecclesiastieal Commissioners peti-
tioned, and rsquired their costs to be paid by the parties
againstwhom they petitioned. He had, in speaking of this
case' gone somewhat beyond what he ought to have said. He
had stated that no reasons had occurred to the Commissioners,
instead of which he should have said that no reason presented
itself to the minds of several members of that Corn-
mission that there was no cause for those proceedings,
except the fact that Mr. Charles Knight Murray petitioned,
another, Mr. Murrray was the solicitor, and another Mr. Mur-
ray was the counsel for the Bill. Another reason which in-
((treed him to bring the subject under the notice of the House
was, that he thought that the time when it was necessary that
some reconstruction the Ecclesiastical Commission should take
place.—( Hear, hear.) He did not say so without great respect
to every Member of that Commission, for when he stated that
it was composed of the Archbishops and Bishops of England
and Wales, the Lord Chancellor, the Lord Chief Justices, the
First Lord of the Treasury, and other gentlemen of the highest
respectability, no one could doubt that they were all honourable
men. There was not sufficient individual responsibility, the
business was entrusted to too few ; but if there was a secretary
in whom the public could rely, the business would be better
conducted. He did not think Mr. Charles Knight Murray
was a man of that description. He had been put down in va-
rious railways as a subscriber to the amount of 500,0001., and
he wished to know whether the reports current were correct—
viz., that Mr. Knight Murray had had railway clerks waiting
in the office of the Commissioners, while he signed scrip up
stairs. He did not think that the public interest would be pro-
perly entrusted in the hands of Mr. Murray.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that the question had not been
brought under his consideration, and that therefore he would
confine his ob:ervations to the report which was then under
discussion. He had no opportunity of knowing the exact
merits of the case. But if he was rightly informed,
the whole charge consisted in the attested improper
sale of two hundred acres of ecclesiastical lands, from the cir-
cumstance of the secretary to the Board of Ecclesiastical Com-
missioners, being a brother of the solicitor engaged for the
Company, and a third beother being the advising Counsel.
This commission had most invidious duties to perform. In
behalf of the church it was their bounden duty to defend their
reversionary interests. Reference had been made to the con-
duct of these commissioners with regard to railway Bills.
Now no less than sixty notices had been served upon the com-
mission, and they would have neglected their duty if they had
not presented petitions to have clauses inserted in the various
railway Bills for the protection or the Church. They were
compelled to present petitions, because it was by that course
alone that they obtained a locus slandi before the Committee ;
but in no ease had they opposed the preamble of a railway Bill.
With regard to Mr. Murray, he could see nothing in that
gentleman's conduct which should render him censurable or
unworthy of tile greatest confidence.
Sir G. GREY, who was most inaudible, was understood to
say that a petition being necessary for the protection of certain
rights, and that being the case, he could not see anything
wrong in presenting it. The question for the House
was, whether the Ecclesiastical Commissioners had
carried their powers as Commissioners out too far,
He could only say, with regard to Mr. Murray, that he had
done nothing which could be blamed in the slightest manner,
for he considered that he had discharged his duties with great
efficacy. He hoped, however, that some arrangement would be
come to, so as to prevent any mistake occurring in future.
Mr. STEWART said it was very satisfactory to him to
see the turn which this case had taken. But it appeared to
him that some .Honourable Members laboured under some
misapprehension as to the actual injury which the
property of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners would sustain.
Here was a Bill which was proposed to drain two hun-
dred acres of land, and in addition to that, this same
property would also be most injuriously affected to the extent
of 400 acres by the manner in whieh this Bill proposed to deal
with them. No doubt the manner in which the Committee
had dealt with the matter might be right, but the effect of it
would be to burden these 400 acres of land, which the tenants
would not have to pay, but which would fall exclusively upon the
commissioners. And now let him ask, was it because those
commissioners had thought proper to suggest that they could
deal with those lands in a more advantageous manner than was
proposed by the Bill, that therefore they were not justified
in adopting this proceeding, Ile should say also that he did
not think that the Honourable Member who had brought
the motion forward had stated the matter quite fully.
He considered it was a very strange charge to make, that a
brother of a barrister employed by the commissioners could
not be secretary to the board, and he understood it was made
for the first time, for it was not considered as such by the mem-
bers of the commission. He knew the gentleman in question he was
amember of the Chancery bar, and he hoped the House would
forgive him for saying that he considered that it was very im-
proper to make charges against gentlemen without giving any
notice either to him or his friends, so as to enable him to ex-
plain his conduct or even defend it. fie could state
that lie knew the gentleman some years ago, and he
knew him to be a mars of honour and integrity—( Hear, hear)
—and he fully deserved the commendations which he had re-
ceived from the Right Hon. Baronet.
Mr. EVELYN DENNISON said he would not take the
trouble to again advert to the various circumstances
of the case • his opinion remained unchanged.—
(Cries of " Order, order.") Well, then, as a matter of ex.
planation, he would say that he acquainted the gentleman of
what he intended to say in the House ; so, therefore, the com-
plaint of the Hon. Gentleman that due notice was not given was
by no means well founded.

-Mr. SPOONER, in pursuance of notice which he had al-
ready given, moved that " the petition of the Company of
Proprietors of the Oxford Canal Navigation, presented on the
12th of May against the Midland Railway Bill, be referred to
the Committee on the Midland Railway:( Burton-upon-Trent)
to Nuneaton Branch and Ashby Canal Purehase Bill."
Mr. WILSON PATTEN opposed the motion. He did so
with regret, as he did not wish to interfere any motion on
private business, but he thought his friend the Member for
Birmingham had relied too much upon the Report of the Com-
mittee of Amalgamation.
Sir G. GREY thought it was quite advisable that this matter
should be referred to the Committee of amalgamations.
Mr. SPOONER. thought that a clear case hadbecn made out,
acd his impression was that under the circumstances that
it would be better to wait the report of the Committee of Se-
lection. Yet, as the matter now stood, the probability was, the
House would not agree to his proposition, and that the report
of the Committee would be consequently of little use.
Mr. W. PATTEN would wish to guard against any
supposition of this petition was treated with disrespect, or had
not received sufficient attention of the House.

.Mr. SPOONER—As matters now stood it would be better
to withdraw the motion, and it was accordingly withdrawn
on the motion to that effect being put from the Chair.
Mr. C. BERKELEY presented five petitions against the
Oxford and Cheltenham Railway.
SEYMER presented several petitions against the East
Cornwall Railway.
Mr. MILLS presented a petition from the landowners on
the line against the Oxford and Worcester Railway Extension
Bill.
Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition in favour of the
Manchester and Sheffield Railway.
Mr. H. HINDE presented a petition against the West
Yorkshire Railway.

(LEFT SITTING.)

CENTRAL/ CRIMINAL COURT.

OLD COURT.
TRIAL OF THE RICHARDSONS.

(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Various other witnesses were examined. The evidence they gave
was the same in substance as the evidence which they had pre-
viously given before the magistrates, and which has already been
published.
Air. CLARKSON addressed the Court at considerable, length for the
prisoners.
The LORD CHIEF JUSTICE summed up, and the Jury, alter deliber-
ating for an hour and a half, returned a verdict of "Not Gui ty."

POST-OFFICE NOTICE.-DEPARTURE OF THE INDIAN
AND FOREIGN MAlLs.—The following notice relative to the departure
of the Indian and foreign mails, was yesterday posted at the chief
office, St. Martin's-le-Grand :—" Mails to India, China, -&c.—The
next malls for India, China, &c., via Marseilles, will be dispatched
from hence on the morning of the 25th inst. Peninsular mails.—The
next mails for Vigo, Oporto, Lisbon, Spain, Gibraltar, andModiterra-
nean, &c., will be dispatched from hence on the 18th inst. The Pacha,
for the Peninsular mails of the 18th, will sail from Southampton.
Mails for the West Indies, &c.—The British colonies (except
Honduras), Bermuda ; the foreign colonies (except Havannah).
San Juan, Nicaragua, New Granada, Venezuela, and Madeira, will
be dispatched on the 18th instant by the Dee, Irons Southampton.
India and China, via Southampton.—The next mails dispatched on
the 20th instant, by the Achilles. Mails for America.—The next
mails for British North America, Bermuda, and the United States,
will be dispatched by the Hibernia, from Liverpool, on the 18th inst.
The Caledonia, due at Liverpool on the 15th instant. Malls for Syd-
ney, New South Wales.—The next mails dispatched en the list inst.
Holland and Hamburgh.—The Giraffe, for the Holland mails, dis-
patched this morning. The John Bull, with the Hambwrgh mails,
sailed yesterday. Mails for Rotterdam.— A mail bag for Rotterdam
will be dispatched by the Batavia on Saturday next, the 16th inst.

ROBBERY OF- 30,0001.-0 n Saturday last a. mer-
chant's box, containing bills of exchange and railway scrip to the
amount of 30,0001., was stolen from the counter of the Royal Bank,
Liverpool. It was brought in for the purpose of being deposited
there for the night. There was only 471. in cash in the box ; 2091.
eward has eeu °tiered for the reeovery of it.

TUESDAY NIGHT'S GAZETTE.
DIVIDENDS DECLARED.

J. Hill, currier, Birmingham—first aiv. of Is. Gd. in the
pound, on any Thursday, at the office of Mr. Yalpy, Bir-
mingham.

B. Wade, tailor, Strand—first div. of 2s. 3d. in the pound,
on any Saturday, at the office of Mr. Green, Aldermanbury.
D. Smith—first div. of 2s. 2d. in the pound, on any Wed-
nesday, at the office of Mr. Aeraman, Bristol.
I. Blackburn, engineer, Minorite—first div. of 2s. 6d. in the
pound, on Wednesday, May 13, and two following Wed-
uesdays, at the office of Mr. Turquand, Old Jewry.
A. Pettit, livery-stable keeper, Exning, Suffolk—first div.
of 3s. 7d. in the pound, on Wednesday, May 13, and two fol-
lowing Wednesdays, at the office of Mr. Turquand, Old
Jewry.

T. SiM3, licensed victualler, Whitechapel-road—first div.
of 2s. 10d.. in the pound, on Wednesday, May 13, and two
following Wednesdays, at the office of Mr. TurqUand, Old
Jewry. _ _ -

A. A. Dobbs, wine merchant, Liverpool—a div: of 20s. in
the pound, on any Wednesday, at the office of Mr. Follett,
Liverpool.
T. B. Golborne and A. A. Dobbs, wine merchants, Liver-
pool—fourth div. of Is. 6d. in the pound, on any Wednesday,
at the office of Mr. Follett, Liverpool.