The Sun.
London, England, 1848-09-28 00:00:00

Mr. SULLIVAN—No ! Only to re-establish the old
tax.
Mr. POYNDER said that the observation of the
Honourable Director showed him that he (Mr.
Tucker) had not well considered the subject. Until
he heard some satisfactory answer from the chairman,
he could not conscientiously withdraw his motion.
An Hoer. PROPRIETOR wai understood to say that
the question was, whether legalising this tax would
be tantamount to re-establishing the Sayer duties.
Mr. Sumarast said that if the tax were legalized
the compensation might be fairly withdrawn.
Mr. LEWIS observed that the state of matters
seemed to be this—they were bound to pay certain
sums of money, but the mode of payment was such,
in the opinion of the Honourable Proprietor who had
brought forward the subject, as to place the Court in
an objectionable position--in a position of which the
Hon. Proprietor disapproved. :Now the Hon. Pro-
prietor proposed to dispense with the sum annually
paid, and to allow the priests to collect their tribute.
But that proposition had already beea the subject
of deliberation on the part of the Supreme
Government, and by them it had been decided that
the practice of allowing the priests to collect their
fees would be inconvenient and objectionable. If so,
there was an answer to the honourable proprietor.
But, then again, if as the honourable proprietor
thought they were placed in a false position under the
present system, was there no mode by which the dif-
ficulty could be got rid of ? He would suggest the
apportionment of such a sum of money as would yield
23,000 rupees annually--thus, as it were, by one pay-
ment, cutting off all future connexion between this
country and the revenues of the temple.
The CHAIRMAN repeated the 23,000 rupees an-
nually paid had been given in compensation for what
had been taken away. It was a matter for the Court
to consider whether they would wish to vote such a
large sum of money as would produce 23,000 rupees
annually for the purpose in question.
The motion was then put, and carried almost unani-
mously in the negative.
Mr. POYNDER —Then I am beaten.—(A laugh.)
The CHAIRMAN—You are.. laughter.)
LOCAL COURTS IN INDIA.
Mr. SULLIVAN then rose to draw the attention of
the Court to the state of the Supreme Court at Cal-
cutta, and to the necessity for instituting local courts
—similar to our Courts of Request—generally
throughout the Presidencies, so that the inhabitants
of India might have what they have not yet enjoyed,
a system of economic and speedy justice—justice ad-
ministered in their own language and brought home
to their own doors. At the time of the establishment
of the Supreme Court, the I.lindoo and Musselman
inhabitants of Calcutta were told that they were to
have a great boon, and so they rushed into it like
sheep into a good pasture; but, unfortunately, they
came out of it like sheep from a shearing house.
For the evils resulting from the administration of
justice by the Supreme Court no remedy had yet been
provided. Act after Act passed for the establishment
of local courts in Bombay and Madras had been dis-
allowed by the Court of Directors here, and the
Supreme Court of Calcutta was still the only tribunal
for the administration of justice. He wished to have
courts established on the model of our County Courts,
by means of which cheap and
speedy justice should
he brought home to every man ; and, also, to see
some check put to the unauthorised extension of the
powers of the Supreme Court of Calcutta.—(Hear,
hear.) The Honourable Proprietor concluded by
moving for papers and correspondence connected with
the subject.
The CHAIRMAN denied that there was any wish on
the part of the Directors to prevent the inhabitants of
India from enjoying speedy and economical justice,
and the delays which had occurred in carrying out
that desirable object were assuredly not changeable
upon the Court of Directors.—(Hear, hear.) The
Court had received, in July last, a letter from the
Government of India, communicating the draft
of a Legislative Act, but which Act had been
considered so objectionable, that it had been or-
dered to be referred to this country, and another
draft to be prepared. The Court of Directors had
referred the subject to their law officers, who were of
opinion that, as a whole, the proposed Act would be
an objectionable measure, and who recommended the
adoption of a uniform system for all the presidencies,
founded, in essentials, upon the English County Court
Act. The Court of Directors were now, therefore,
waiting for the draft of the proposed Act, which
might be expected by the next mail.--(Hear, hear.)
As to the extension of the Supreme Court, it was a
subject to which the attention of the Court of Di-
rectors and the Government had been directed, and
every effort would be made to prevent inconvenience
or expense in this respect to the native inhabitants of
India. lie trusted that this explanation would satisfy
the Court.— (Hear, hear.) As to the papers moved
for, many of them had been already ordered to be
printed, and with respect to the others, he hoped that
the motion would be withdrawn.—(Hear, hear.)
Withdrawn accordingly.
INSURORDINATION IN THE GTE! INDIAN LIGHTCAVALRY
Mr. MALCOLM LEWIN (formerly Judge of the
Suddr Court of Madras) then rose and addressed the
Court as follows :—Sir, I now rise to bring before
the Court a question which has long agitated the
public mind of India, and has also been discussed in
England to a considerable extent; I allude to the
case of the killing of two sepoys, belonging to the
6th Light Cavalry.
The CHAIRMAN-The notice I have got is with
respect to a person of the name of Veneata Royaloo.
Mr. LEWIN—If you will allow me, I will proceed
to that presently.
the attention of the Court of Proprietors, upon a
former occasion, by Mr. Sergeant Gazelee, and its
further consideration was then put off by the Court
of Directors. This question was brought before
The CtratataAel (with great warmth)—I have in-
timated to the Honourable Proprietor that the question
was not put off, but withdrawn by the consent and
wish of the Court generally ; and I must say that I
think the Honourable Proprieto r is acting most im-
prudently in broaching a subject of this nature upon
the present occasion.
Mr. LEWIN.-.4f YOH will allow me to speak first
sir, you can reply to me afterwards.
The CIIAIRMAN--4 must say that it is highly incons
venient to discuss
an questiens or this kind con-
nected with the armee This case was discussed some
time ago, and it did 'cause considerable agitation in
the public mind. It was settled ikt that time, and I
mast say that I think it is eery indiscreet on the part
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of the honourable member to re-open the subject.
Mr. LEWIN—I claim m right to speak first, sir,
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and you can express you opinion afterwards, Of move
what amendment you please Upon toy
motion.
The CHAIRMAN-4 will hear anything you may
wish to state upon the subject. It is not my desire
to prevent you speaking if you wish to do so. t only
mean to tell you the feet, that having broached this
subject on a former occasion, Mr. Sergeant Gazelee
withdrew his motion, after a speech from the chair,
and one from Mr. Twining and other members of
the Court, expressive of their opinion, that it was a
subject which ought not to be broached.—(Hear.)
Mr. MARRIOTT When Mr. Sergeant Gaselee
brought forward this motion he felt s strongly the
force of the observations made by the Chairman, that
he was perfectly satisfied with their reasonableness,
and consented to withdraw his motion.
Mr. LtwlN—l will simply ask you, sir, whether
the inhabitants of India will be content to be told that
that there is an act of injustice which has been per-
petrated in India, and which is not to be exposed, be-
cause it may cause inconvenience to somebody or
other? Do you not think it would be much better,
when aggravated charges are brought forward against
your officers, to allow the circumstances to be ex-
posed ? What is the idea which will be created in
the minds of the people of India by this sort of con-
cealment ? They believe that you are bound to see
that justice takes place, and that redress shall ba
afforded whenever a case of injustice is brought under
your notice. I say, sir, that to refuse to inquire into
the facts of this case, upon the plea that it will
create disaffection in the army, is no argument at all ;
it is mere absurdity to say so. It is your business to
see that justice is done, and that redress is afforded,
whenever an act of injustice has been perpe-
trated.—(Hear.)
Mr. MARRIOTT—Sir, I rise to order.—(Great con-
fusion.)
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lAsdaoattAhNink(wiitthisgroeoabtavehemence)forward—l
question of such a nature in this manner. The pro-
ceeding has been approved of by the Commander-in-
Chief, approved by the authorities in this country,
and declared to be legal by the Crown officers.
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Mr. LEWIN—I am prepared to show that it was
illegal, by reference to authorities.
Mr. WHITEMAN (with great excitement)—lf you
allow such a matter to be discussed in this Court, the
proceedings of every court-martial in India may be
brought here for discussion. By so doing you will
sap the foundation of that body through whom you
have maintained your empire in India—the army.
Mr. LEWIN--I disagree with the lion. Director.
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I maintain that you are more likely to destroy your
injustice to be done,
and power thenin
refusing
redress when the matter is brought before you.
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to permittingliste
to an application fur
Mr. POTNDER—I say that these charges of
in-
justice have already been brought before the Court by
a motion, which motion was afterwards withdrawn
by its own proposer.
Mr. LEavirt—l claim a right to take my ow n
course.
Mr. PO'friDEß (angrily)—Sir, I will not be in-
terrupted.
Mr. LEI nes—You have interrupted me ; I rose
and was in possession of the chair.
Mr. POY NDER—I am speaking to a point of order,
sir, and I • sin in possession of the chair, and you are
not. Iwish to know who you are ?—(Cries of " Oh,
oh.") I ',lever heard of ,'ou before.—(Cries of " Oh,
oh.") I easy fence more that I see no pretence whit-
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was not satisfied as to its nature. He was certain, how-
ever, that it was not pure arsenic. The Coroner said he
should again adjourn the inquiry, in order that the
poison might be analysed, and the inquest was again
adjourned. Yesterday, Mr. Haverty, the surgeon, de-
posed that both the above had died from the effects of
arsenic, a small quantity of which the male deceased
was proved to have bought six weeks ago. After the
Coroner had summed up, an open verdict of " Found
dead" was returned.
DEATH OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL SIR CHARLES
MAXWELL, C. 8., K.C.H.—This officer died on the 23d
instant, at Broadstairs. He was the eldest son of Charles
Maxwell, Esq., of Dumfriesshire, by the eldest daughter
of James Douglas, Esq , of the same county, and was
born in 1775. He entered the army in 1795, as Ensign ;
in 1796 he was advanced to the rank of Lieutenant; in
1797, to that of Captain; in 1808, to that of Major; in
1909, he became Lieutenant-Colonel; in 1819, Colonel;
in 1830, Major General; and in 1841 he was advanced
to the rank of Lieutenant-General. lie received the
colonelcy of the 3d West India Foot in 1843. Sir
Charles was employed on the coast of Africa in 1809.
and succeeded in reducing the French colony of Suri-
nam. lie was engaged in the defence of St. Vincent
until the entire subjection of the Capihs. He landed
with the 63d Foot in North Holland in August, 1799,
and was present at the surrender of the Dutch fleet in
the Helder, and in the actions of the 19th of September,
and the 2d and 6th of October. In the following year
he took part in the expedition intended for the attack of
Belleisle, and afterwards in the affair at Ferrol, and in
Gibraltar and Malta, until the peace of 1802. In 1806
he served in South America. In 1809 he commanded
the land force in the capture of the French fortress and
settlement of Senegal. He was Governor. General and
Commander-in-Chief of the island of Goree, the settle-
ments of Senegal and Sierra Leone, to July, 1815. He
was subsequently Governor and Commander-in-Chief of
Dominica, St. Christopher's, Nevis, and other islands.
THE LATE LIEUTENANT-GENERAL SIR MAURICE
O'CONNELL, K.C.H.—This distinguished officer, whose
death is stated to have occurred at Sydney on the 26th
of May last, after a lengthened colonial service, was a
distant relative of the late Mr. Daniel O'Connell, M.P.
After serving with the rank of Captain in the emigrant
army under the Duke of Brunswick, he entered the Bri-
tish army in 1793, still holding the same rank. In 1805
he was advanced to the rank of Major; in 1809 to that of
Lieutenant-Colonel; in 1819 to that of Colonel; in 1830
he became Major-General; and in 1841 Lieutenant-
General. He received the Colonelcy of the 80th Foot in
1E44. Sir Maurice served at Dominica, and commanded
the light company of the Ist West India Regiment at
Roseau on the 22d of February, 1805, and successfully
resisted the repeated attacks of a very superior French
force. At the conquest of the Kandian territories, and
capture of the reigning monarch, he commanded a divi-
sion of the army under Sir Robert Brownrigg. He re-
ceived the thanks of the House of Assembly at Dominica,
and was presented with a sword, value 100 guineas, for
his services in that island. He also received a sword
value 501., and a piece of plate value 1001., from the com-
mittee of the Patriotic Fund. The deceased was for
some years engaged in New South Wales as well in
the civil as in the military departments; and it appears
that he was on the point of returning home when death
cut him off.
ANOTHER MEETING OF THE CHAIRMEN OF THE
LEADING RAILWAY COMPANIES.—Yesterday afternoon,
at half-past one o'clock, another meeting of the chair-
men of the Great Western, the London and South-
Western, and the London and North-Western Railway
Companies took place at the residence in Lombard-street
of Mr. Glyn, M.P., chairman of the London and North-
Western. In order that the meeting should be as pri-
vate as possible, none of the other directors or the secre-
taries of either of the companies were present. The three
gentlemen, Mr. Charles Russell, Mr. Chaplin, and Mr.
Glyn remained in deliberation for a considerable time.
The resolutions come to have not transpired, but it is
understood among the friends of the three gentlemen that
the best feeling prevailed, and that all of them expressed
their deep anxiety to act hereafter in concert in the
adoption of those means by which confidence
in railway property may be restored, and its
market value improved. It is due to Mr. Charles
Russell, the chairman of the Great Western, to say,
that he expressed in the most emphatic manner his
earnest desire that in future the three companies should
cultivate the most friendly relations with each other,
and should do everything in their power to promote the
general prosperity of the railway interest. One of the
subjects which occupied the anxious attention of the
meeting, was the necessity of adjusting the differences
which existed between them regarding their respective
lines, and from the friendly spirit evinced on the part of
each gentleman, it may be regarded as a settled point,
that there will not from this time be any further misun-
derstanding between them. It was also agreed that
fewer trains should be run on each of the lines, that no
further responsibilities of any kind should be incurred,
and that every measure which the law allows will be
adopted to raise the market value of railway stock, so as
to insure better dividends for the shareholders.
THE COLLIERY EXPLOSION.—On Saturday last
Mr. Dearden held an inquest at the Black Bull Inn,
Middleton, on the body of James Wild, miner, nearly
twenty-six years of age. William Mitchell, coal miner,
said that about half-past seven o'clock on Wednesday
morning last, he and others went to their work at Little
Green coal-pit, belonging to Messrs. Wild, Andrew, and
Haigh. The pit was about 70 yards in depth, and the
seam 80 inches in thickness. There were four seams in
the pit. He had worked there above two years. They
used safety lamps when required. The men had all been
told not to go into that part of the mine where the acci-
dent occurred; it was about fifty yards from the shafts.
The deceased, Thomas Cheetham, and a boy about thir-
teen years of age, went into that part of the mine.
Cheetham had a candle with him when the explosion
took place. He was very badly burned, though the boy
was not injured; hut the deceased was very much
burned, and also injured on the left side, so that he died
at four o'clock on Friday morning. The boy, Nathaniel
Wood, said he was about four yards from Wild when the
explosion took place. They had all candles. He had
a spade in his hand, and it was blown out of it, but he
was not hurt. The " blaze" went over his head. This
boy corroborated the evidence of the last witness relative
to the previous caution, not to enter that portion of the
mine. The jury returned a verdict of " Accidental
death." Cheetham, the other miner who was injured,
died on Monday morning.—lllandhester Guardian.
SURREY THEATRE.—Mr. 11. Webb, a gentleman
of considerable fame at the Marylebone Theatre as a low
comedian, has lately been playing a round of characters
at the Surrey. Upon the occasion of his la aiefit last
night he appeared as Mavvwerm, in the Hypocrite,
wherein he developed an abundance of grotesque and
Pertinent humour, which the audience enjoyed immensely.
The outward signs of success could not well be more
triumphant. The house was crowded.
THE CURRENCY.—On Monday and Tuesday even-
ings Mr. Jonathan Duncan delivered two lectures at
Liverpool, on the evils of the present currency system.
FUNERAL OF LORD GEORGE BENTINCK. The
funeral of this lamented Nobleman has been fixed to take
place on Friday morning next, at Marylebone old church.
The remains have not yet been removed from Welbeck
Abbey.
LLOYDS' RooMs.—A general meeting of the mem-
bers was yesterday held in the Under writers'. room, Mr.
G. R. Robinson, M.P., in the chair, to receive the re-
port of the committee for the past half-year. The re-
port having been read, was unanimously adopted, and
a vote of thanks proposed to the committee and sub-
committee for their exertions to insure the comfort and
convenience of the members during the recent altera-
tions in the rooms of the establishment. The following
votes from the funds were then unanimously carried:—
To F. Jerome, boatswain of the American ship New
World, 101. and an honorary bronze medal, for his
courage in rescuing a number of passengers from the
Ocean Monarch. To Jonathan Bragdon, chief mato of
the Ocean Monarch, an honorary bronze medal. To
Mr. Whist= Bristow, passenger in the Ocean Monarch,
21/., and the sum of 1001. in aid of the funds of the
Shipwrecked Fishermen's and Mariners' Benevolent
Society.
NIAGARA SUSPENSION BRIDGE.—A serious differ-
ence has arisen between the directors of the Suspension-
bridge Company at the Falls, and their engineer, Mr.
Ellet. As the matter will no doubt come before the
courts on this, as well as on the other side the boundary,
it would not be proper at present to detail the particu-
lars at length, but in order that the leading features may
be understood, it is necessary we should say that the
directors discharged Mr. Ellet from their employment ;
that, acting under his instructions, his brother and some
other personstn.)io,
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authorities were violently resisted, and some the. par.
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ties went so far as actually to raise an axe to strike the
sheriff •, and that after great trouble and dis'turbance,
Mr. Ellet's brother and two other persons were arrested
and committed to the gaol of' this districtthey
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now lie. The half of the Suspension-bri where
d e onthis
side of the river is in the hands of the directors ; tle
half on the other side is in the hands of Mr. Ellet'si
friends, but an injunction from Chancery to dispossess
them has been applied for.—Niagara Chronicle.
ABERDEEN, MONDAY EVENING.—It is now ar-
ranged that the Queen will leave Balmoral on Thursday
morning for Aberdeen, by the Dee-side-road, and that
the Victoria and Albert will sail at two o'clock on Fri-
day morning for London. The Royal yacht will be
piloted by Captain Cargill, of the City of Aberdeen
steamer, and accompanied by the Virago, the Black
Eagle, and Vivid steamers, now in the dock here. In
consequence of the inconvenience which the Royal
Family felt on the passage north from the occasional
rolling of the vessel, the present beds in the Royal
apartments are to be removed, and cots slung in their
stead. These cots are so constructed, and will be so
placed, that whichever side the yacht may roll to, they
will always hang steadily in the perpendicular, and thus
the violent motion of the vessel will be little felt. On
Saturday and Sunday last we had an easterly gale, hut
to-day the weather is fine, and generally her Majesty
has enjoyed sunny days.
EARTHQUAKE AT NEW YORK.—Between ten and
eleven o'clock on Friday night, a sudden, dull, rumbling
noise
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shock were also remarked and experienced. At Nyack
the hands on board of a steam-boat lying at the wharf
get out of their berths and went on deck, under the
belief betweene it and
belief that a collision had taken
another vessel. In other places it was a eau
alarm, but it was not so much remarked heore.
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THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING, SEPTEMBER, 23, 181'3.

ever for making such statements as you are about to
make to the Court to-day, after the question had been
withdrawn on a previous occasion by another member
of the Court. I see no pretence for calling that in-
justice. The proceedings you have now adopted, if
persisted in, will indeed be the height of injustice, not
only to this Court of Proprietors, whom I have the
honour to address, but also to the Indian population—
a proceeding which must affect the stability of that
body upon whom, I say, must rest the maintenance of
our power in India—the military in that country.
The CHAIRMAN Perhaps, if the Honourable
Proprietor will allow me to read an extract from a
letter upon this subject, it may tend to satisfy his
mind. The Honourable Proprietor seems to think
that the proceedings in this case have been illegal.
Mr. LENIN—I state distinctly that lam prepared
to prove their illegality.
The CHAIRMAN-110W can you prove their ille-
gality ?
Mr. LENIN—I will do this : I will prove that the
prisoners had no counsel, and were not allowed to
produce witnesses.
The CHAIRMAN—I will read an extract from a
dispatch, and then, if you choose to go on, it will be
for the Court to determine whether you have been
discreet in so doing. This is dated the 7th of March,
1847.—(The Honourable Chairman read an ex-
tract from a dispatch from India, maintaining
the legality of the proceedings which had
been adopted with reference to the sepoys,)
As soon as possible after the individuals, conduct was
discovered, they were brought to trial and sentenced,
and more especially as the regiment to which these
soldiers belonged were then upon important duty.
We are confirmed in our view of the legality of the
proceedings which took place at Arcot, upon the most
prominent of the mutineers, by the opinion of her
Majesty's Solicitor-General, and our own standing
counsel. We have reason to know, moreover, that
his Grace the Commander-in-Chief has also no doubt
upon the subject. Now, I submit to the Court
whether, after hearing the opinions of such authorities
as these, the Hon. Gentleman is likely to obtain any
good by adopting the course with which he this day
threatens us, and whether he is likely, in the face of
such authorities, to be able to prove the illegality of
the act of the court-martial.
Mr. LENIN—If you will allow me to proceed I
will endeavour to show its illegality. The letter of
the Commander-in-Chief was an act of oblivion ; it
was so understood by every body, and yet nine
months afterwards these two men were brought to
trial for this act and were shot.
The CHAIRMAN—And deservedly so, for adminis-
tering unlawful oaths to their comrades.
Mr. MARRIOTT—They were Indian Chartists.
Mr. LENlN—There are many grounds upon which
the illegality of this act can be rested. In the first
place, the articles of war require that a mutineer shall
be tried at the earliest opportunity. These men af-
terwards passed through Kampter, and they also
passed through Secunderabud, in either of which
places they might have been tried. They were not
tried there, but were brought in perfect ignorance to
Arcot, where a court of inquiry was instituted, and a
court-martial was held.
Mr. FIELDER suggested whether the Court could
with propriety go into the case without having the
papers before it.
Mr. LEWIS replied that the production of the
papers was the very thing that he was going to
move for.
Mr. G. TnomrsoN thought that justice had scarcely
been done to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman upon
his first appearance in that Court, and a proper
degree of courtesy had certainly not been shown to
him. He (Mr. Thompson) had not the remotest
idea of the intended discussion of the circum-
stance to which the Honourable Gentleman had
alluded ; but he thought that the Honourable Gen-
' tleman was addressing the Court under very great
disadvantages, owing to the propietors not having
been able previously to inform themselve of the merits
of the question. He submitted to him, whether it
would not be better to give in to the general feeling
of the Court on the present occasion. But when
Hon. Proprietors endeavoured to prevent a member
of that Court from bringing forward any statement
before it, which he chose to make with reference to
the affairs of the Company, they were themselves
violating the privileges which belonged to the whole
body. It would be for the Hon. Gentleman himself
to judge whether it would or would not be prudent
at present to persevere with the statement of his case.
The CHAIRMAN stated that the Hon. Proprietor
had a perfect right to proceed, if he chose to persist
in doing so, but he (the Chairman) merely submitted
to him whether it would be expedient, under the cir-
cumstances, to persevere.
Mr. FIELDER then rose, amidst great confusion in
the court, and moved the previous question, which,
having been stated by him to have been seconded by
somebody whose name did not transpire, that gentle-
man demanded to be instantly put.—(Cries of " No,
no.")
Mr. G. TnoMrsoN reminded the Hon. Proprietor,
that no motion whatever could supersede the state-
ment of the Hon. Proprietor, Mr. Lewin, if he chose
to make it.
Mr. LEWIS stated that he did not rise for the
purpose of disputing the right of the Honourable
Proprietor to address the Court upon that
or any other subject, but, so strong an
appeal had been made to him upon the impropriety of
agitating the question, that he trusted he would sub-
mit to the general feeling of the Court. He (Mr.
Less is) had a very strong objection to questions of
that description being brought before the Court of
Proprietors, because any Honourable Proprietor might
make statements affecting the character of other per-
sons, which statements might go forth to the world,
and the persons affected would not have an opportu-
nity of making counter-statements in reply.
Mr. Lewle said that his object was, to prevent any
exparte statement going forth to the world, by
moving for the production of the papers in the case.
Mr. SALOMONS suggested that in a question of such
importance as that before the Court, notice should
always be given by advertisement in the public papers.
Mr. LEWIS replied that he had sent a notice long
' ago to the Honourable Chairman.
Mr. FIELDER said that the Court knew nothing of
that.
Mr. LEWnr—lhat Was because the Honourable
Chairman did not choose to publish the notice.
Mr. SALOMONS suggested whether the Honourable
Proprietor would not be in a better condition to dis-
cuss the subject at the next quarterly Court, after
having given notice upon the present occasion. The
question certainly had a right to be brought forward
in that Court if the Honourable Proprietor chose to
bring it forward. He (Mr. Salomons) must say
that his Honourable Friend (Mr. Poynder) had
addressed the Honourable Proprietor (Mr. Lewin)
with great warmth, and rather rudely.—(Hear.)
Mr. Mitantott —No, no.
Mr. LEWIS said that that all Went for nothing,
He did not care anything about it.
The CHAIRMAN, in explanation of the fact of not
having published the notice, stated that it was always
the custom in that Court, when parties were desiroona
of having their intended motions published in the
papers, to give their notice publicly at the previous
General Court of Proprietors ; but the notice of mo-
tion of the Hon. Proprietor, Mr. Lewin, had not
been given in the usual way. The Hon. Proprietor
had, however, a right to bring forward any motion he
pleased at any quarterly Court.
Mr. LEWIS stated that with regard to the non-
publication, it all arose from a misapprehension on
part; his
he had sent it to the Chairman, believing it
would be published in the ordinary way.
Mr. POYNDER admitted that he had used strong
language ; but, he trusted, not improper or rude
language towards the Honourable Proprietor; if he
bad done so he begged pardon, not only of the Hon.
Gentleman himself; hut also of the Court. He was
occasionally in the awkward habit of calling things by
their right names.
After a great deal of desultory and irregular dis-

cussion,
Mr. LEWIN was again enabled to obtain a hearing,
and proceeded as follows :—Sir, I was of the same
opinion as the Hon. Proprietor near me, that the case
should certainly not be gone into without the Court
being in possession of the papers. I would, certainly,
in deference to the wishes of Proprietors, withdraw
the motion at once, as I do not wish to put anything
before the Court against its wish ; but I am per-
fectly certain that the Court of Proprietors themselves,
if they were better acquainted with the importance
of the case, would insist upon an inquiry being gone
into. I say that the proceedings which have taken
place in this case have brought disgrace upon our
Government in India, and have brought disgrace
upon this Court. Ido not mean to say that you
are disgraced, only so far as allowing this mat-
ter to take place without any remedy for
it. That circumstance has brought disgrace
upon the Government and the Court of Directors
throughout the whole of the army, and I say it
would tend far more to promote the stability of our
Indian empire, and cement the allegiance of our army,
by your consenting to do justice than, when injustice
has taken place, endeavouring to repress inquiry into.
the circumstances.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. MARRIOTT again rose to order. He consi—
dered the Honourable Proprielor had no right to caslx.
an insult on the military. There were behind the-..t
bar many military men, and such remarks, therefore, .
respecting the character of our military government
in India ought not to be made.
Mr. LEWIN-4 am ready to show that the pro-
ceedings adopted in this case were against law, by a
reference to the law itself. They were against the
decision of Lord Gough himself, in March 1844.
They were against the decision of George 111. These
sepoys had done duty for nine months ; they were
placed as guard over the camp of the very man who
was appointed their prosecutor. I will now stat
what the circumstances were which gave rise to t' ne

blunder at Madras. The batta was withheld
these men, who at the time were performing the im-
portant duty of guarding the frontier; they thereupon
refused to mount their horses, and a sort of passive
mutiny took place for four days. In the mean time
an order came from Madras, correcting the error, and
the men immediately returned to their duty. Briga-
dier Watson went to them, and advised them to pre-
sent a certain petition. That petition was presented
to Lord Tweeddale, and the order and tranquillity
of the regiment was again restored. Immediately
afterwards the commander of the regiment wrote to
the Commander-in-Chief, and stated that tranquillity
was restored, whereupon the Commander-in-Chief
returned the following letter :—" The Commander-
in-Chief is happy to understand from these
communications, viz., letters of the Bth and 10th De-
cember, from Brigadier Watson and Col. Litchfield,
that the men of the 6th Regiment Light Cavalry have
returned to their duty, and that they appear to be
sensible of their late misconduct. But as his Lord-
ship cannot allow the regiment under the reproach
of such unsoldier-like behaviour, to continue at a
station where it might be required for employment in
active service, he has ordered it to be sent into can-
tonment at Arcot." After the receipt of this letter
the men were kept out four months doing duty upon
the frontiers, the Government receiving their services
all that time, although their death was meditated.
After this a letter was addressed to this Court.

Major OLIPHANT then rose to a point of order.
He really wished to put it to the Hon. Proprietor
whether he had not better abstain from proceeding
any further in the case. It must be perfectly well
known to every person that this transaction had taken
place, and the men had all been dead and gone for
some years.—(Hear.)
Mr. LEWIN replied that there were many others,
as well as those who were dead, who were affected
by the question.
Major OLIPHANT wished to know what possible
good the mover or seconder of such a motion ex-
pected to get from it.
Mr. LEWIN replied that what he expected to get
was, that all the men who were then suffering unjustly
should, as far as possible, have justice done to them.
Mr. MILLS (a director)—When any officer high 1
in command shall feel it his duty, under his oath,
to bring men to a court martial, was it fair to
I say that he meditated their death ?—(Hear.)
Mr. LEWIN—Is not the punishment of death what
always fellows a conviction for mutiny ? These men
reached Arcot, and immediately after that a court of
inquiry was instituted, preliminary to a court-mar-
tial. A letter was sent, and that letter deserves
particular comment. It sets out at the beginning
with begging the whole judicial question. It states that
the fact whether mutiny had or had not taken
place was no longer in question. The object was,
not to punish the whole regiment, but only a few
persona. Punishment was ordained, and somebody
must suffer. Well, immediately after this a court-
martial sat with closed doors ; numbers of persons
were called before them; fear seized on the whole
regiment.
Mr. MARRIOTT—Is it not doing great injury to
this Court to allow this proceeding to go on?
Mr. LEwIN—If what I am stating is not true, then
let the Hon. Proprietor set the matter right.
The CHAIRMAN—Why did not the Hon. Proprie-
tor bring forward all these charges when he was in
India ?—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. LEwIN—I did bring them all forward. The
very day when these men were ordered to be put to
death I remarked that it was a shameful occurrence,
and sent a gentleman, who was with Lord Tweed-
dale for two hours, remonstrating with him upon the
impropriety of the proceeding which had been taken.
That happened upon the very day when this order
was passed. Well, sir, there is another point which
has been insisted upon. At the time these men
were put to death, which as I have already observed
was nine months after the occurrence, and the order
and discipline of the regiment had in the mean
time become perfectly restored, there was not a single
ground for taking away the lives of these men. The
taking away life, even when tolerated by the letter of
the law, is almost murder, if you take it where there
is no necessity. for doing so ; and, I venture to say,
that there was not the slightest necessity in the pre-
sent case. There was a court of inquiry which was
afterwards held, and before that court of inquiry
certain native officers were called, who, as they
did not state what they were wanted to state,
were therefore dismissed. What was to be ex-
pected from the proceedings of such a court-
martial might easily be judged. Then there was
another point, the court-martial ought to have been
composed of thirteen members, whereas it was com-
posed of only seven. Immediately after the court-
-1 martial upon these poor Sepoys, another was held
respecting the conduct of an officer of a regiment,
when no less than fifteen of the first men in the army
were assembled to try the case. What I contend for
is, that the same justice is not extended towards a
coloured man In the army which is dealt out to a
, 1 white man. The Court must be well aware of what
i took place after the mutiny at Seritniapatam. You
must be well aware, that all the officers who were
tried upon that occasion had ccunsel allowed them,
while, on the other hand, these poor Sepoys
had no opportunity of seeing their friends
ntil after the prosecution was closed. They
had tin aolinsel allowed to them, and in
fact they had not a single advantage which is
awarded in the case of officers when brought before
a court-martial. Whether or not this motion will
be seconded, is to me a matter of not the smallest
consequence as an individual. I shall certainly
continue to call upon the Court to do justice,
because I think that the matter which I have laid
before it involves a glaring instance of lo:fustice, and
that the stability of our empire in India is concerned
in the case, and that it would be far more for our
honour and interest to do justice than to endeavour
to repress crime. I merely move, air, for the
production of the papers in this case.
Mr. SULLIVAN stated that it would not be fair to
the Noble Lord who was implicated In the case if an
opportunity was not afforded him to reply to the heavy
accusations which had been brought against him.
The statements which had been made that day would
go forth through the medium of the press to the world.
The CHAIRMAN stated that the Noble Lord did not
require any defence.
Mr. SULLIVAN said that the Chairman might think
so, but the world would think very differently. He
(Mr. Sullivan) had a strong opinion upon the subject;
he did not think that matters of that kind should,
however, be brought forward in that Court, and had
accordingly advised his Learned Friend to refrain
from doing so. He certainly should feel it his duty
to second the motion, the statement having been
made.

Mr. Ltwfs stated that he was well aware tha,
there were many Directors who held the same opinion
upon the subject as himself.
The motion was then put and negatived by a large
majoriiy.
Mr. LEWIS was then proceeding to bring forward
another motion, when he was interrupted by
Mr. SALoMONS, who suggested the propriety of
giving notice upon that occasion for the bringing
forward the motion upon the next Court-day.
Mr. LEwIN contended that he had given notice to
the chairman a fortnight ago, and was, therefore, not
answerable for the faults of the chairman.
Mr. MARRIOTT (with great warmth): contended
that the statement made by the Hon. Proprietor re-
specting the " faults" of the chairman, was an insult
to the chairman.
Mr. LEWIN stated that he was about to bring
forward a motion respecting the removal of the Judges
of the Suddr Court; but, in deference to the wishes
of Hon. Proprietors, he would refrain from doing so,
and merely give notice for the next Court.
After a great deal of acrimonious and irregular
discussion, in which the Gallant Chairman, Mr.
Fielder, and Mr. Marriott took the most prominent
part,
Mr. LEwIN gave notice of the following motions
for the next Court :—" To move for papers in the
case of the suit filed by M. Veneato Royaloro, a
person removed from office by the Madras Govern-
ment, :as reported in the Fort St. George Gazette,
25th January, 1848. Also, in the case of the illegal
_residence of Lord Tweeddale on the Neilgherry
llills, and his exercising the power of Governor in
;direct violation of an Act of Parliament, which
) 'divested him of all authority when absent from
Council, on the ground of indisposition, or for what-
; soever cause. Also in the case of the removal of the
judges of the late Suddr Court of Madras.

THE LATE RAJA OF SATTARA.
Mr. G. THOMPSON inquired whether the Board of
Directors had received any information relative to the
settlement of the Sattara question ?
The CEAIEMAN replied that they had received none,
owing to a delay which had taken place on the part
of the Bombay Government, in sending the papers to
dhis country. lie trusted, however, that they would
b e forwarded by the next mail, when he should be
able to give the Hon. Proprietor the information he
sought.
There being no further business before the Court,
one of the most disorderly meetings which has oc•
curred for a long time, even at the India llou,e
terminated.

WREXHAM THEATRE. - This theatre has been
opened, at very great expense, by that celebrated tra-
gedian 111 r. George Owen. On Tuesday, the 26th, he
appeared as Hamlet, in which character he drew a
good house, and was well received. Mrs. Owen, as
tlke Queen, was delightful; her personage of the Princess
A Navarre,. in John of Paris, and her singing was
grand. The company are very much liked. Miss E.
Itontague is. n great card. Mr. George Owen has taken
Chester theatre, and opens the same, on the sth and
IGth Oct. Sir Robert Cunliffe, Bart., C. 8., gives a be-
speak on Iriday, and Sir W. W. Wynne, Bart., on
)Monday.
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