The Sun.
London, England, 1846-07-29 00:00:00

Room D.

This Committee met this morning at eleven o'clock, the. Earl of St.
Germans in the chair, when the case against the
GLASGOW, DMICEMIES, AND CARLISLE,
an,l on behalf of the
CA LED ONZAN opuretrnamS Aral LANG -
Livil BRANCHES),
rejected by the Commons, was resumed.
Mr. CocaanaN was rising to address the Committee, when
Mr. ANDREWS interfered, and said that, after the evidence which
had been offered yesterday on behalf of the Caledonian branches, he
was about to offer some rebutting evidence.
After a few observations on the point, this course was assented to.
Mr. Miller, civil engineer, was called and examined. Ile said the
object of the Nithsdale schema was to connect in the completest
manner with the north and south. The Caledonian had no proposi-
tion last year for the accommodation of Annan and Dumfries,
whereas the Nithsdale scheme of last year was substantially the
same as the scheme of this year. Besides, the Caledonian breaches
afforded no accommodation whatever for Ayrshire to the south. He
considered the break of Annan would interfere with the working of
the traffic in an efficient manner. The Dalmagadder branch would
not accommodate the Nithsdale traffic, and with regard to the Dum-
fries and Edinburgh traffic, it could be arranged that the earlier
trains of the Nithsdale line would run to meet the later trains on the
Caledonian.
Mr. Coes:some then rose to address the Committee. in the course
of his observations he said he would not trespass on any of the
decisions which their Lordships had come to, hut' he would submit
whether it would not be consistent with those decisions, and in order
to do justice to the Caledonian, that they should at least postpone
that portion of the scheme of the Nithsdale Company which was in
competition with the branches proposed by the Caledonian, or at
least such part of it as would protect the through traffic of the Cale-
donian Company. He would not on the present occasion struggle against
the granting to the Nithsdale company a portion of their line between
Dumfries and Cumnock, but he would, at the least, take his stand on
the letter of Mr. Hope Johnstone, and pray that a portion of the
scheme between Carlisle and Dumfries should lee granted to the Ca-
ledonian. No doubt they had been told that the Nithsdale would not
compete with the Caledonian Company, but any one at all conver-
sant with the country must know, that to the through
traffic would their attention be sure ultimately to be
directed. It had been clearly shown by the evidence,
offered in the earlier stage of the case, that the course of trade from
Kilmarnock was in the direction of Glasgow, and therefore there
could be no doubt that the through trade would be aimed at, in order
to make up for the deficiency of local traffic; which he was certain
woLla be sure to arise. With regard to all the traffic passing from
Ayrshire or the south, it would be perfectly indifferent whether the two
companies met at Annan or at Gretna, while by making the break at
Annan, the Caledonian Company would have that protection which
their through traffic imperatively required. Again, with regard to
the mineral traffic upon which so much had been said, it would be
a matter of perfect indifference whether these minerals came from
Canobie along the Nithsdale line all the way from Gretna to Dum-
fries, or whether it came as far as Annan, or on the Caledonian
scheme, and then passed from Annan to Dumfries on the
Nithsdale. With regard to the sheep and cattle
coming from Galloway, the most of which, as had been shown,
would get on the Nitltsdale line at Dumfries, it would be a matter
of no moment whether the break between the companies existed at
Annan instead of Gretna. It would be as much the interest of the
Caledonian Company as of the Nithsdale Company, to afford every
accommodation to such a traffic. There must be a break
somewhere, and he submitted with confidence, that with
regard to the whole traffic passing along the line, it
was a matter of perfect indifference where it took place. So much
as to the question of convenience. He now came to the main argu-
ment adduced on the other side against giving the Caledonian any
portion of the line. It was stat d that the portion of the scheme
south of Dumfries was the best paying portion of the line, and that
it was required to make the portion between Dumfries and Cumnock
remunerative. This sounded strange from parties who had at-
tempted to show such a strong case of local traffic. If the local
traffic on the Cumnock portion, adduced before the Committee, was
sufficient to warrant the construction of that portion of the line,
then there was no plea left why they should have the portion south of
Dumfries ; but if it was otherwise, if the Cumnock portion could not
pay without that from Dumfries to the south, that was some reason,
he admitted, why they should have the portion between Dumfries
and Annan. But with regard to the remaining portion
between Aural) and Gretna, that was absolutely necessary for the
protection of the Caledonian interest, in fact, to save that Company
from ruinous competition. If the Nithsdale was so good a scheme,
if it was a bona fide undertaking, then surely it could not be essen-
tially injurious to a line of 92 miles, to take seven or eight miles from
it. Besides, a great deal of the claim of the Nithsdale scheme
to the portion from Annan to Gretna was based on
the assumption that Annan would be a port of considerable trade,
whereas, he submitted, that as soon as the Caledonian was opened a
great deal of that traffic which had been alleged to be shipped at
Annan would pass octuth along that line. Regarding the Canobie
branch, he submitted that the Caledonian ( Langholm branch)
was better than that as a means of accommodating the dis
trict. Besides, that branch actually crossed the Caledonian,
and in the history of railway speculation he had never known an
instance in which one line crossed another in the manner proposed in
the present case, actually threatening to take away the local traffic
which belonged to the company that was thus trenched
upon. It was stated that the Canobie branch would
accommodate an Important mineral traffic, and open up a
'valuable coal-field to Dumfries and Carlisle. It had likewise been
proved in evidence that a considerable amount of the Canobie coal
would go to Carlisle; if so, then, surely, it would be better that the
mineral traffic to that city should pass over one company's line only,
as would be the ease with the Caledonian branch ; while, as it re-
garded Dumfries' accommodation it csuld matter nothing whether the
break between the Nithsdale Company and the Caledonian took
place at Annan Instead of at Gretna. In regard to the Annan break,
and why it should be favourably considered, he begged strongly to
impress the Committee with the fact, that Annan was originally
Intended by Mr. Lecke to be on the main line, and
that it had been given up at the time in deference to the Government
Commissioners. The Learned Gentleman then proceeded to contrast
the Crawick branch of the Nithsdale scheme with the Dalmagadder
branch of the Caledonian, the latter of which he showed would, in
reality, bring Dumfries nine miles nearer to Glasgow, and two miles
nearer to Edinburgh, than by the Nithsdale branch ; the
same applied to Annan -so that the two most important
places in the district would be best accommodated by the
Caledonian branch. Sanquhar, a small and unimportant town,
was the only place that had an interest hi the making of the Crawick
branch, that was for its connexion with Edinburgh only. The
Learned. Gentleman having amplified on' the several points adduced
in his address, concluded by calling on the Committee to consider fa-
vourably the claims which the Caledonian Company preferred to the
whole, or at least a portion of the district of country south of
Dumfries.
On the conclusion of the Learned Gentleman's address a short dis-
cussion arose as to whether Mr. Sergeant Murphy, who appeared on
the petition of Mr. Thomas Colebrooke, should be allowed to ad-
dress the Committee againet the Bill after Mr. Andrews had made
his reply, or whether he should speak before as to the alleged
damage the line would do to the property of his client.
The room was cleared for the decision of the Committee.
A fi-ti• a few minutes the parties were admitted, when
The CHAIRMAN said, the Committee were now willing to hear Mr.
Sergeant Murphy on the (Image that the line would do his client's
property, hut they could not admit his making a general address
atter Mr. Andrews had concluded.
Mr. Sergeant MURPHY intimated that, in consideration of that de-
cision, lie would retire, sis lie did not think he could better state the
general case for the opposition than had been done by Mr. Cockburn.
Mr. ANDREWS then proceeded to address
the Committee in reply.
He said he would he as brief as possible to the question before the
Committee, in doing which he would not go into all the points raised
by Mr. Cockburn, many of which were extrinsic to the case. At the
beginning they were threatened with great opposition to the case
submitted by the promoters—that the district required railway ac-
commodation ; accordingly they (the Nithsdale Company) brought
evidence of the most unexceptionable character:from the various points
along the route of the line, to show that railway accommodation was
imperatively required. An overwhelming weight of evidence on this
head had been adduced, such as not only to convince their Lordships
that a line of railway was required, but also to bring the opponents
of the line into a similar train of mind, as shown by the
recent ground they had taken. The position of the opposition had
been altered, and now the promoters were assailed upon new
grounds. The Committee was now told that they (the Caledonian)
were willing to concede the line from Cumnock t Dumfries, but
that, in order to protect them, they ought to concOde the portion of
the Nithsdale scheme between Dumfries and Graft. At one time
this Committee were told that the Dumfries and Canobie (Caledonian
branches) were better than the southern portion of the southern
scheme ; at another time they were told that the portion of the Niths-
dale scheme between Annan and Gretna, with the Canobie branch,
was necessary to the Caledonian. In fact, his Learned Friend did not
seem to know what he wanted. He talked a great deal of these
branches being necessary to protect the Caledonian traffic, but he
(Mr. Andrews) submitted that such was not the fact. The branches
would not afford more protection than the Caledonian now pos-
sessed, while-granting this would materially affect the integrity
and utility of the Nithsdale scheme. The legithnate traffic
of the Caledonian line was with the north of Scotland, including
the Edinburgh and Glasgow traffic, and that he submitted
could not be affected by the Nithsdale line. The
Caledonian line would be able to run mile for mile with any
other line in the kingdom, and that, considering the shortness of that
in comparison with the Nithsdale scheme, would be a sufficient pro-
tection of the Glasgow traffic. The Northern, or the Edinburgh traf-
fic, it was not asserted would be affected by the Nithsdale line. It was
said that giving the Caledonian the portion of this scheme from Gretna
to Annan would not materially affect the Nithsda'e scheme. To
that he would reply, that such a course would cripple
the resources of the company, and taking away one of
the best portions of their scheme, by interfering with the
number of trains they would run, by throwing two manage-
ments into the management of the through traffic in-
stead of one, and by. abstracting a considerable amonnt of traffic
which legitimately belonged to the Nithsdale scheme. They talked
of protection to their interests, but the real object they had had from
the beginning ,s as to deprive the whole valley of the Nith of Iota;
accommodation, and to force the Ayrshire traffic round by Glasgow,

su as to pass them along to the south bythe Caledonian line. Thai cb:
ject they had been defeated in, and now they sought to interpose
and to take a portion of the line for which he appeared, so as to
possess the key of the country, and to throw difficulties in the way
of the Kilmarnock and Ayrshire traffic passing up the Nithsdale
line to the south. There was no doubt that if the Nithsdale was
stopped at Annan, that the Nithsdale line would not be able to run
so many trains through fur Kilmarnock, and thus many parties who
would pass south along the Nithsdale, would, rather than wait five
or six hours, be induced to go round by Glasgow and the Caledonian
line. This was no doubt their real intention. With regard
coal-field
to the Canobie branch, on which so much had, oiiw
been said, a
choewl
fl
only observe that the Caledonian line had the NI
on its route, and in order to benefit the public it was necessary, he
submitted, that the two fields. should be placed in the hands of diffe-
rent companies. Were they both placed In the hands of the Caledo-
nian, the interest of that company would be to restrain the accom-
modation of the Canobie coal-field, and to force the other coals,
which would use four times the length of line compared
with the other. The Nithsdale Company had no such interest,
as the Canobie and Sanquhar coal-fields were equi-distant
from Dumfries. Again, the lauded proprietors, who were the best
judges of the local accommodation required, were in favour of the
Nithsdale branch, and not for the other. The ground taken by the
Caledonian Company, in the letter of Mr. Hope Johnstone, was en-
tirely new, had never been submitted in any previous stage of the
contest, and the object of it plainly was to throw obstructions in
the way of the efficient working of the Nithsdale scheme. The
Learned Gentleman next addressed himself to the branches of the
Caledonian line, contending that no evidence or reasons whatever
had been given that they would give better accommodation to the
district south of Dumfries than the Nithsdale scheme. Respecting
the Crawick branch, it had been urged that it was not required for
the traffic that would pass along it, and that it would occasion a
greater distance to Edinburgh and Glasgow than by the Dalma-
gadder branch of the Caledonian line. To that he would answer,
that the Crawick branch would accommodate the lead mines in that
neighbourhood. and supply them with coals from Sanquhar, which
they so much required; and that as the Nithsdale Company
would, in order to accommodate the Edinburgh traffic,
he obliged to run trains along this branch, those pas-
sengers that wished to go to Glasgow would have the opportunity
of going along it to the Caledonian at the same time as the Edinburgh
traffic, insVad of being obliged to go forward to Kilmarnock, as had
been asserted. The Learned Gentleman having reviewed the various
heads of his general argument, impressing on the minds of the Com-
mittee that all the landowners and inhabitants on the route were
strongly in favour of the Bill, and that the Ayrshire Company had
made an arrangement to work the line, on the faith of its passing en-
tire, concluded by calling on the Committee to pass the entire pre-
amble of the Bill.

Parties were then ordered to withdraw.
After the absence of abuut an hour and a quarter, when the par-
ties were called in,
The CILIMIAN then said the Committee had come to the following
resolution:---" i hat the Committee were of opinion that the
makinfrof a railway from the Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock,
and Ayr Railway, near Cuumock, to she Caledonian Railway,
near to the crossing of the river Sark, with branches,
would be of great public advantage, and that the Glasgow, limn.
fries, and Carlisle Company should be eriabled to make the same
with its branches, excepting that which is described as a branch
from the said railway, near Springfield, to a proposed railway be-
tween Hawick and Carlisle, near the Cane hie branch. They are of
opinion that this branch, not being necessary to the establishment of
railway communication between the districts traversed by the main
line and the south, the future construction of it may more properly
be left open to the Caledonian Company, whose main line, according
to the present plan, is crossed by it.
The Committee then adjourned the cOnliaTation of the clauses till
to•morrpw, at twelve 9'clQck.

Room E.
EXETER, YEOVIL, AND DORCHESTER.
The Committee met at the usual hour, Lord Beaumont, chairman,
Mr. T. A. Mitchell examined by Mr. SLADE—Deposed that he yass,.
personally acquainted with the trade of Bridport, and had beenan _
for many years. It was the largest town between Plymouth
Southampton ; its staple production was cordage and sailcloth. by
was most important for its interests that it should be connected
was
a coast line with Southampton and Plymouth. The population A. 9
and
di4 Cross-examined about 8,000.
t know
wbyh e Mr.he riitthLeD
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fnaortaireeds iadfe
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wooden
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piers of 80 feet in length.
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of
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Devonexamined
ad
Dorset, by 11
and resided
TALBOT—Is
counties3lrA
lived at llonit,n, and was well-acquainted with that portion r
the
country. A marked contempt was shown of the towns of B .
and Lyme, and the other towns upon the coast by the scheme
present before the Committee. He thought that the line NT
aDomrcalfesstterar,tefortn_:;
es
by the Great Western was deserving of support, in consequence v-
•
the communication which it afforded to the country north of Exeter'
Coals and other fuel would be brought by means of the Great Western
ort
scheme from Radstock and other extensive coal fields to the southern.,
districts of Dorsetshire, and also to the manufacturers of Bridp
much hotter than by the narrow gauge lines proposed by the Exeter.
Yeovil, and Dorchester Company.
Cross-examined by Mr. HILDTARD—He thought it was desirable
to have railway communication between Exeter and Yeovil. _ ,„
By Lord DENBIGH—There was at present a line constructed or
the course of construction between Yeovil and Radstoek-
de(' thtb:
Captain White examined by Mr. Maalox—Had cotrunan
mail packets from the port of Weymouth for 28 year* ice
railway had been made at Southampton, the port of Falniellt „oh
considerably fallen off. If a railway were made direct to F.a" -
the packets would return to Weymouth. ran'
Cross-examined by Mr. Hthrivean—There were no packets
iiing now from Weymouth to the Channel Islands, they had beeslDs
discontinued by the Government because they could get the /flaw"
carried much cheaper from Southampton.
Mr. Bine, glove manufacturer at Yeovil, gave eviclene'
amount of goods he manulactured, and the opinion he entertainedte
the line proposed by the Great Western Company between
and Yeovil.
Mr. TALBOT then proposed to call the Earl of Devon. 11; 0
The CHAIRMAN, however, gave it as his opinion that there y','
a it
necessity whatever for calling the Noble Earl, as he suppobe”.
would be only a matter of opinion upon which he would speak. *l.',
Committee also stated by the Chairman, that there was no necessity
for going into the engineering evidence ; they were perfeetlYa
qvainted with the whole line, the various gradients and curves,
..%."
tunnels, and there was nothing new to be spoken to by Mr. BratT:sa
Mr. Saunders, the secretary to the Great Western CompanY,r,4o
then called, who stated that the Great Western Company vroin',4
prepared next year to come again before Parliament with the.-
schemes, and they would also be willing to allow the narrow ga,,,pg;
lines to be laid down on their broad gauge lines between Yeovil .-4,1 •
Exeter, which could be done with considerable less difficulty an.
expense than laying down the broad gauge upon a narrow 8106
line. ta
Cross-examined by Mr. llopn—There would be no difficulty
tending the laying down of the broad gauge on the narrow line, Pro-
vided the works were of sufficient width.
Cross-examined by Mr. HILDYARD—The trains performed the dilr
tance as follows

Express trains. from London to Exeter, in 4h. 30m.
First class - 5 30
Third class - - - 14 15
The express trains did not accommodate the third class passengert
only the first and second classes. The express trains upon ,
South-Western Railway carried third-class passengers by every tr.r.,:r
The examination of this witness concluded the case on behalf
the opposition.
Mr. COCKBURN, Q.C., then replied on behalf of the promoters. ssi
—.O
his usual ability and perspicuity. lie contended that there was
..:0
question at all of the necessity for the construction of this line, 'von,
the very fact that a considerable portion of the scheme was c.,„,
tended for by the opponents to the Bill, the Great Western CoMP3'4
Abundant evidence had been adduced before the Commit tee, and
could have been increased to an enormous amount of the wishes 0
inhabitants from all portions of the line in favour of this sche'"of
prtY
The only difficulty upon any portion of the line was the prokr„bie-
Lord Dighy. The clause inserted for the protection of that _'"clitt-•
man would place them under the necessity of applying to 11,i'tiva
ment, in another session, for power to make the line in a dirs°",iple
not affectine- the Property of Lord Digby, should it not be tit
to obtain the 6 consent of the Noble Lord to the passing of the fin
the
its present direction. But neither that clause nor the loss a'nree
branch to Bridport would be considered as a sufficient reason Wia
hree
vent the passing of the Bill, because all the parties who had ~05;
called on behalf of Lord Digby had admitted that it the'
practicable to construct that portion of the line so as not to affec'
aed
property of the Noble Lord. Mr. Locke had conceded the fact, 0,0
his only reason for not taking that line was the increase of exPhoe
they had hoped to have avoided, and thought that they might e
made some arrangements respecting the passing through the Po
perty of that nobleman. They had hitherto been unsuccessftriLrol
he was not without hope that an arrangement would be yet erne.
into between the parties. There was no ground whatever forest
jetting the Bill, or for postponing the consideration of it till the
ve
session. He would take the liberty of introducing a , ,lathe
in the Bill for the full and ample protection °L.O of
property of Lord Dighy, similar to that introduced iu the unity.
the Midland Railway with reference to Lord Harborougle. proriioe
The question then to be considered was, who is as to have the t,to
between Exeter and Yeovil. At Exeter the station of the pro e°4o.,
of the Bill gave general satisfaction to the inhabitants of EN'and
The present line proposed to give accommodation to Topsilagieter,
'Bhimouth, places thought very highly of by thepeople of E? 'tee
and advantages would be afforded by the construction of this and
for the means of central communication with the districts west toe
of Exeter. The Learned Counsel concluded a speech of nest,,,
iioas
hours in length by calling upon the Committee to sanction the
brought before them.
The room was then ordered to be cleared.
Upon the parties being re-admitted, 4 to
The CHAIRMAN said the Committee have come to the resolte
report that the preamble of the Basingstoke and Salisbury EXtgl7oll,
Railway is proved with reference to the other two Bills, the Lortit).,4
Salisbury. and Yeovil Junction, and the Exeter, Yeovil, and ott9
Chester Railways. The Committee intend to report that,
are of opinion that a direct line 'to Exeter, to London by .7:00
bury, is desirable, but they do not consider it expedient to pass tlt
Bills in their present shape.
This decision was totally unexpected by all parties, for fre/n_ trio
intimations which had been thrown out from time to time by
tqe
Committee on the subject of Lord Digby's property at Sherbarir, *mg
promoters were led most reasonably to conclude that a clause goLe
ample protection to the property of that nobleman would
wohuide i
mitted to be inserted in the Bill, and that the lines to 1)°,
allowed to be made, except as between two points to
determined on by the Committee in the neighbour ott!
Sherborne Park. And the opponents to the Bill were equon.Yu ha
q•
priced by the rejection of the Bill after the intimations which e at
been thrown out by the Committee, that the most cursory ghfs
the map would be sufficient to convince any person of conarn?"of the
of the necessity of those lines as proposed by the promoters
Bills. The question of a competing line between London ana7c,s.oat
will be, therefore, by this decision thrown over to the next,: aide:
when there is no doubt that the scheme will be again brougit
the consideration of the Legislature.
Tho Committee adjourned at four o'clock.

Room H.
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EDINDTTRGIE AND GZASGOW 11.57""" '''
Lord Manners, and LoC2dw „rrmis of
The Committee met at eleven o'clock. Present, the Tg-s-p-encer,
Westminster (chairman), the Marquis of Hereford, Earl
with re-
The whole of the dayr evidence
..
we
gard to the traffic likelyastooccupie
upon the formation of
In
junctions. The particulars wearcecreunetirely devoid of interest.
The Committee adjourned at halt-past four o'clock.
a.d
in hearing
Tigr RaiI.7UNCTX"?'

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
GROUP LXVII.
ail
The Select Committee appointed to consider the raer- of
Bills comprised in this group re assembled this afternoon a
o'clock, Lord Lincoln in the chair.
EASTERN COUNTIES (TOTTENHAM
CITY—ROAD EXTENSION). br°6
The Committee, after hearing the opposition of the Surrey v cot'.
Junction Canal Company to this project, cleared the room
eider their decision. . of°

Having remained a short while in consultation, stranget
re-admitted, when
The CHAIRMAN announced that the preamble to the Bill had
been proved
This closed the labours of the Committee.

GROUP LX_X, Sir 17'
This Committee resumed this morning at twelve o'cloor+
Clerk iu the chair.
ninizarr AND ENNISKILLEN.
The proceedings of this morning were opened by air. AtisTlN;tiey
saying that he believed it was now his Learned Friend's (Mr' 016
solder) turn to make a speech, or call witnesses in support of
allegations of his clients against the promoters of the BILL cilialt
The CHAIRMAN—Are you aware of the circumstances tinder ;
the further consideration of this case was adjourned yesterday •
3lr. AUSTIN—Quite so, Sir. Ser
The CHAIRMAN—It was in consequence of the request of +.++',,
grant Murphy, in order to afford him time either to rebut or 1,,ta0
plain certain evidence that had been laid before the Committee h,
opponents of the Bill. 00;
Mr. AUSTIN—Just so, sir; and of course that prorogation ,01+
place in order that he might go and consult about the matter• atas
afraid, sir, that, although there seems to be nothing whatever,l'o, fi
attachable to the directors in this case —I am afraid, neverthe"occu
consequence of the evidence that was brought forward with r„1 rao
to Mr. Hemming, that if we were to go on with this 15',.:01;
ntu
should be wasting a great deal of your time and our ,001
and that the best thing we can do is to submit to a verdict Ata 'that
hands that the preamble is not proved, because I am afritk.
apd
there are Parliamentary objections that we cannot get 0v...„.1.'t1i0"
that being so, whatever may be the merits of the Bill, I thind de'
for the purpose of saving your time and our money, you shOttlii the
Clare that the preamble is not proved. We communicated -0"10 yol+f
other side. I will call no further evidence, and will submit
decision that the preamble of the Bill is not proved.
The CHAIRMAN—Very good. rtip
Mr. AusrlN—l should tell you that we permitted the other„.. na th°
to lntpect our books and papers, and they are of opinion 1-0- aisle
directors have not been guilty of any fraud with respect to the
of shares.
Mr. ALEXANDER, Q.C., said that the only step now to be tut
ee++
therefore, was to declare that the preamble of the Bill had 11°t„,„ted+
ors
proved. The works of the company had certainly been insP.'".,
and it was evident that no blame was attachable to the alive+ on
but he was, at the same time, bound to state this, that it WO niv)
proved that the charges which the Learned Sergeant (Mr...IN/DO
had made against him, and those who appeared with him, vf-n,+os,
their opposition was prompted merely by a desire to delay the ',
tag of the Bill, were entirely groundless.
Mr. AUSTIN—It has so turned up.
Mr. MuRPHY—It has so turned up laps
The room was then cleared. On our re-admission after the
of a few minutes,
The CHAIRMAN said, the Committee have directed me to '":,191'
the parties that they have come to the resolution that the Pre„ogare
of this Bill has not been proved to their satisfaction ; and tlif.,c oeir
desired me further to state, that the Committee feel it to vet, oeli
duty to make a special report to the House, informing them that" tor
0
have made inquiry into the matter of those petitions from c`,, 110,
shareholders in the Company which were referred by them `, set'
Committee, and that they have to state to the House that tnO,len ,
which have been divulged in the course of the inquify have
them that the allegations have been proved.
We tee,
that 311111P11Y—Perhaps the Committee will allow me to S.- „wee',
that the books of the company have been submitted to our 04 0+
Um and we have satisfied ourselves that as far as the direct°: far
the company are concerned, there is no ground whatever f°'
pitting any kauds to them. tnia%
The CHAIRMAN—Of course we shall state in our report n°
further than what appears on the evidence.

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DUBLIN AND SA.NDYIKOUNT 2vroo.
PHEEICh
This part-heard case was then roceeded with by II
Mr. LE FANCE, assistant engitpeer of the line being exanv.9e6
MY. MALLEY, a
ink

Mr. BLACKERTON, the other assistant engineer, was next eOcio airby Mr. Cusack, and cross-examined by Mr. Murphy, Q.C. (1/
peared for the Grand Canal Com
tl3O Pia
Mr. Sergeant MURPHY said that this closed the case of
moters. pally), after which
to 0';
Mr. MURPIIY then said that it was impossible for the Bill - 111

.npossinic _ - of u'i
ceed consistently with the orders of Parliament. By one °
sessional orders it was requisite that the consent of the 11„%ottr8'
Admiralty should be obtained to the improvement of all IP. nt.
docks, &c., but the promoters had not obtained any such collsedeoff
Mr. Sergeant MURPHy said that that could be done without
and insisted that that objection should not be fatal to the 151.1 .
pg Of
knew of a similar objection being raised against the Pas't
railway
C Bill. the
The nefamast said that the Committee would allow-
meters an opportunity to obtain the necessary consent. „hat 11
Mr. Munpuy said that he had another objection, and 'A of A
copies of the plans, &c., had not been laid before the Boat. a
miraltAfter. eters
y a
brief discussion, time was also granted to the POW
the Bill to do this. sall!clt
Mr. Mtrarnir then said that he. had still another objectiolubjecuo,
he felt confident must be taken to be fatal to the Bill. The °Dad
~o'`e
was, that part of the land which the promoters sought 10;g•storii-o
Wally been granted to the proprietors of the Dublin and rs-taiej, t
Railway this very session, as would be proved by Mr. 13
t, not -
wigineer.
eaw:
Mr. Sergeant l'iluarmY said that that objection could ino,
because the Dublin and Kingstown Railway Company
Boned against the Bill. That company, he asserted, 1,3",'001.0
clause into their Bill (which was passed on the 17th ins by test
power to take part of the line proposed to be taken._ oigtit
company behind their backs, and without giving thew shly
intimation of their intention. I;Ie propcSad that the COnilT: specl3;,,„
insert a clause to remove the objection, anti rePol"connWiii.
to the House the conduct of the Dublin and Kingstou'o_ full
prior to which he hoped the Committee would enter intV..',r,Leecal•to
tigation of their proceeding, which was certainly most Dina
Mr. Multpliir submitted that the Committee should P`rnlit
pr°erof
establish his as crtion at once. If they did not, he mblislillienCe,
with the other part of his case, and enter upon the est_ao on
his assertion afterwards ; but if they allowed liirn to d
tbe
they would save the time of themselves and the Public' abrega „,,ofit
Mr, Sergeant Milapnr called upon the Conunittee .11.--a
le
PI •
clause re!erred to in the Dublin and Kingstown Railwa „„nipd
tti
te
disgraceful fraud had been committed upon their ellen° 1""
backs. the
The Committee said that they would enter into _noun
whether the land in question had been assigned to
Kingstown Railway Company, and if it turned out aocsco•tot
of course it would bo impossible to assign it to this to
Mr. MURPHY said that he would be able by evidence
Kingstown
the land had been granted to the Dublin and had
Company, and to disprove
elaborately thrown out by his Learned Friend:.
.. comic_
I.lr. bluitbs tin ParliameatarY agoilt9ttlic"4""-
the charge of fraud wui
tthilaet it hold 1).0--