The Sun.
London, England, 1848-05-27 00:00:00

LUNATICS.

The HON. GENTLEMAN also gave notice of his inten-
tention to propose an instruction to the Committee
on Lunatic Asylums whether means may not be devised
to obviate a great portion of the expense of supervision.
THE RAJA. OF SA.TTARA.
Mr. GEORGE THOMPSON gave notice that, on
going into the Committee of Supply, he should
call the attention of the House to the Raja of
Sattara and to the claims of his descendants.
GRAND JURIES.

Mr. FORSTER wished to ask- the Hon. Baronet the
Secretary of State for the Home Department whether
his attention had been drawn to a presentment by the
grand jury to the Judges presiding at the Central
Criminal Court on the 18th instant, for the abolition of
grand juries within the limits of the stipendiary magis-
trates of the metropolis; and whether it was the intention
of the Government to take any steps to remove the evils
complained of in the said presentment.
Sir G. GREY replied that his attention had not been
specially drawn to the presentment of the grand jury
to the Judges presiding at the last session of the Central
Criminal Court, no copy of the report having reached
him in his official capacity. The Hon. Gentleman had,
however, favoured him with a copy of the presentment
cut from one of the newspapers. No measure was in con-
templation by the Government for the alteration of the
present system ; but he was ready to admit that
the system of grand juries was susceptible of
improvement. In making this statement, however, he
did not wish it to be taken as a pledge that he would
introduce any measure on the subject.
IRELAND.

Captain HARRIS wished to ask the Hon. Gentle-
man the Secretary of State for the Home Department,
whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government
to avail themselves of the large military force now in
Ireland, and by introducing a measure for the search
and seizure of pikes, to provide for the secu-
rity of that part of the United Kingdom.
He asked the question, because he believed that if the
Government took a decided step in the matter that loss
of life would be prevented, and energy given to the trade
of the country.
Sir G. GREY reminded the Hon. Gentleman that by
the Bill passed in the early part of the session for the
suppression of crime and outrage in Ireland, the
Lord-Lieutenant was empowered to apply its provisions
to any part of Ireland which he might think fit, in
which case the proper authorities would have the power
of seizing arms. It was not the intention of the Go-
vernment to propose any further measures with respect
to the security of that country.
Atter some further discussion, it was agreed that the
House at its rising should adjourn to Monday.
TE MINT.
Sir J. TYRRELL moved for returns of the name of
the Secretary and salaries of the Commissioners ap-
pointed to inquire into the state of the Mint.

- IRISH RAILWAYS.
Mr. F. FRENCH gave notice of his intention on
Tuesday, the 6th of June, to move for leave to bring in a
Bill to secure to Ireland a complete system of railway
communication.

SUPPLY—SPAIN.
On the question that the House should resolve itself
into a Committee of Supply,

BANKES said tlizith-e had a notice on
the-scato-night with respect to Spain. It was understood yesr
terday that ho should not bring it forward to
he was in hopes that the Noble Lord at the hyea:dbut
the Foreign Department would have been in if,
place to have stated when he would lay the pa..
pars on the table of the House, and he was also
in hopes that the Noble Lord at the head of the
Government would also have been in his place to have
stated whether or not he would give him an early
day to bring the subject forward; as, however,
neither of these Noble Lords were present, he
had no alternative left but to pospone his motion
till the next supply night, which he believed was
this day se'nnight. He should then bring it on unless
the Noble Lord at the head of the Government would
give him a day to do so, not later than Monday se'n-
night. If he did not, he should certainly bring it for-
ward this day se'nnig,ht.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that as soon as the debate on the navigation-laws reso-
lutions was concluded, and the Bill brought in, his
Noble Friend at the head of the Government would
proceed with the Committee of Supply, in order to
afford the Hon. Gentleman an opportunity to bring on
his motion.

DEFICIENCY IN THE REVENUE.
Mr. HUME, before the House went into a Com-
mittee of Supply, was anxious to know from
some member of it bow the Government intended
to make up the deficiency in the revenue of last year, a
sum of no less than three millions and upwards.—
(Laughter.) Hon. Gentlemen might laugh, but he thought
if they had to make up that deficiency, they would find
it no laughing matter. He thought the Government
ought in the present state of circumstances to undertake
themselves the reduction of that portion of the
expenditure which they could reduce. He was
the more induced to put this question, as he found that
it was intended to spend a sum of 60,000/. and upwards,
which was to be received from a certain railway com-
pany for a small portion of the Crown property in the
neighbourhood of Windsor, in what was called the im-
provement of the Castle and the approaches to that town.
He submitted, to the House that this looked very like
extravairance, and he must object to the abominable
system of lighting the candle at both ends. Within the
last few months 50,0004 had been expended upon Buck-

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Really it was time this extravagance should be put a
stop to, and he should certainly persevere in his opposi-
tion to this Bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
Hon. Gentleman had expended a good deal of virtuous
indignation upon a Bill which was not before the House,
but he thought the Hon. Gentleman would have acted
with more discretion had he waited till the Bill came
under discussion before he brought the matter before
the House.
DUBLIN ELECTION.—ABSENCE OF LORD
ROBERT GROSVENOR.

The Committee appointed to try the merits of the
petition against the return of Mr. Reynolds for the city
of Dublin was summoned to the table to be sworn. The
Marquis of Granby, Mr. Bright, Mr. Sotheron, and Mr.
Baines attended at the table, but Lord Robert Grosvenor,
the chairman, did not make his appearance, and, after
the lapse of a short time,
Mr. F. MAULE rose and said, as the Hon. Member
had not attended in his place within an hour from the
meeting of the House, it was his duty to move, in ac-
cordance with the provisions of the Controverted Elec-
tions Act, that he be taken into the custody of the Ser-
geant-at-Arms.
Sir R. H. INGLIS said it was most important that a
notice should be personally served upon those Members
who were appointed to sic upon Election Committees.
From motives of economy the House had been induced
to adopt a different system, but he could not help think-
ing that in Election Committees, which involved often
matters of vital importance to the parties interested, a
personal service should be required in order to insure the
attendance of the Members.
Sir F. EGERTON said he understood that Lord
Robert Grosvenor had been compelled to go to Brighton
in consequence of the illness of one of his family.
After sume further discussion, the motion was agreed to.
PROBATE DUTIES. _ _

Sir DE LACY EVANS rose to inquire if the Go-
vernment intended to give the House an opportunity of
considering the probate duties. He thought it desirable
they should state what were their intentions on the sub.
ject of legislation with respect to the owners of real and
of personal property.
DEFICIENCY IN THE REVENUE.
Mr. BRIGHT said the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer had stated that with regard to the outlay
upon improvements at Windsor, they would not in-
volve the expenditure of a single sixpence of the public
money, but, if he understood him right, that
6,0001., which was to be contributed by certain railway
companies, was for the privilege of passing over certain
lands, which in reality belonged to the public, and not
to the Crown ; and, therefore, that 6,0001. ought to be
considered as public money, for if it were not, he could
see no reason why the present Bill was brought into
the House at all. There was a feeling growing up in
the country against our increasing expenditure, and it
the Government took no steps towards a re-
trenchment, however beautiful they might be in theory,
they would not be popular with the tax and rate-payers
of the country.
Lord MORPETH said the money was agreed to be
advanced by a certain railway company in lieu of a certain
amount of accommodation which was to be given to the
public through the agency of the railway, and which the
Crown could not be called upon to give up. The rail-
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her Majesty and the improvement of Windsor.
Mr. AGLIONBY said that the Bill stated that
"60,0001. be advanced to her Majesty towards the ex-
pense of carrying out this Act." Now, if these words
meant anything, they meant this, that this sum was only
intended to go towards the expenses, and that more
would be expended. The Hon. Gentleman the Member
for Montrose had, therefore, put a plain interpretation
on the Bill, and he (Mr. Aglionby) believed that he was
perfectly justified in doing so.
Lord MORPETII quite agreed with the Hon. Gentle-
man who had spoken, that the fullest information should
be afforded to the House before it was called upon to
sanction the Bill, and in order to show that no further
sum would be required for the works in question.
Lord DUNCAN stated, in reply to a question put to
him by the Hon. Gentleman the Member for Montrose,
that he was chairman of a Committee appointed to
inquire into the expenditure, management, and revenues
of the Crown. He regretted that some little delay had
taken place in consequence of the voluminous nature of
the returns which the Committee had found it necessary
to inquire into; but he assured him that the report would
be prepared with as much expedition as possible.
INSURANCE.

Mr. WAWN inquired if it was the intention of the
Government to propose any modification of the duty
upon policies of insurance?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (who
was as indistinctly heard as usual) was understood to
admit that the high nature of the tax was fraught with
some injustice, but that the Government did not intend
to propose any modification of the impost.
ECCLESIASTIC AL COMMISSION.
Mr. E. DENISON reported that he had attended
the House oftords at the request of the House, and that
their Lordships had been pleased to permit the Bishop
of Lincoln to allow evidence taken before their Lordships
with respect to his diocese to be laid before the Ecclesi-
astical Commissioners.
The subject then dropped.
ARREST OF LORD ROBERT GROSVENOR.
Mr. Clemenson, the Deputy-Sergeat-at-Arms, here
intimated to the Speaker that Lord Robert Grosvenor
had been taken into custody in accordance with the
motion of the House.
Mr. COWPER rose and said he had been requested
by the Noble Lord to express his great regret that he
arrived at the House too late to be present et the table
when the Members of the Committee were summoned at
the table. The fact was, he was occupied at the time as
the chairman of a public meeting, and whilst there he
was not aware how rapidly the time passed by.—
(Laughter.) Under these circumstances he hoped the
House would extend its indulgence to the Noble Lord,
and with that view he begged to move that he be dis-
charged.
Mr. F. MAULE seconded the motion, and added
" without the payment of the costs." The House well
knew that the Noble Lord was connected with many be-
nevolent institutions, and that his time was occupied in
connexion with them.—(Loud cheers.)
The resolution was at once agreed to nem. con.
Lord R. GROSVENOR here entered the House and was
loudly cheered.

DUBLIN ELECTION.
This Committee was then called to the table.
Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR expressed his sin-
cere regret, and assured the House that a similar occur-
rence should not take place.
The Committee was then sworn.
'EQUALIZATION OF TAXES.
Mr. EWART then rose, pursuant to notice, to move
that the present system of disproportionate indirect tax-
ation is injurious to the commerce and manufactures,
and unjust to the working classes of the country. That
the establishment of a work direct system of taxation on
realised property would relieve trade and manufactures,
and be eventually beneficial to all classes of the commu-
nity. He said he must express his deep disappointment
after what was said last year, that Government had not
thought proper to give this subject their best considera-
tion. He should have thought the course pur-
sued by the Right Honourable Baronet, the
Member for Tam worth, while in office would have
induced any Government to pursue a similar policy, but
the example of the Right Hon. Baronet had not been
followed, and he therefore felt himself constrained to
bring the subject before the House on this occasion. He
believed that in Liverpool an association had been formed
for the purpose of procuring a reduction in the taxation
of the country, and similar institutions had since been
established in Manchester and other places, and he
trusted the petitions and representations of these bodies
would not be lost upon the Government. He considered
the present system of indirect taxation was bad. It
weighed oppressively on the commerce and manufactures
of the country, and more especially upon the working
classes, and it was high time that a change was made.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHERQUER said
that during the last few years a great reduction of in-
direct taxation had taken place, and many direct taxes
had been imposed. He was not prepared to propose any
further direct taxation, and he did not see how he could
remove any further portion of the indirect taxation of
the country at present. The subject, however, was
under the consideration of the Government, but in the
present state of the revenue he could not hold out much
hope of any reduction either in the direct or indirect
taxation of the country.
The motion was then withdrawn.
THE RAJA OF SATTARA.
On the question that the Speaker do leave the chair
for the purpose of the House resolving itself into a
Committee of Supply,
Mr. THOMPSON was anxious to know whether he
would be afforded an early day to renew the debate with
respectot to the late Raja of Sattara? Because, if he could
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obtain such an assurance, he must bring the matter
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member of the Government whether the papers which
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were to be laid on the table of the House that day,
according to promise, would be in the hands of Roan
Members to-morrow; and, further, whether it was in-
tended that those papers should convey to the House all
the explanations and information which her Majesty's
Government might think necessary to give to the House
on this most extraordinary occurrence, or whether they
intended, on some early day, to furnish the House
with some further information with respect to the
conduct of the Government and of her Majesty's
Minister in Spain in this transaction. He could
imagine that every member of the Government
must feel himself burning with impatience to relieve the
body to which he belonged from the suspicion—to say
the least of it—which rested on them at present.--(Hear,
hear.) A Minister of the Crown of England, repre-
senting the interests of that Crown at a foreign Court,
had been, not to say ignominiously, but unceremoniously
ejected from his office. Such a thing had never occurred,
ho believed he might confidently state, in the history of
the diplomacy of this country, except in the case of and