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Year, Upon this quantity he expected to save ss.ti ra6de.
.if he obtained these facilities he expected to cons . mar
At
to 3,000 tons more to make at least 10,000 tobns)rokfinligme;vhich
Present he believed that coal was scarce at
these
for that article was the dearest place in
England.liWestem Corn-
reasons he preferred the branch of thehseou
Committeei- in 1844,
any. He had been present before t
wieen many promises. had been made
the:btehoenilyttinfosynpilisee'srly
Comibelny ; but they had Lt.i..4..xt0xr_0_v!,,,,,,,a01.z,
Mr. Bothwell
To the' Cnsanimazx ard Lord tog-. ^se a ton. At
replied that; coals at Dorking were about o. .• ,eia
resent he boug:2t his coals a ship boat at a time atm
the en in store at his wharfs at Kingston. It was now cus-
tomer:, to get coals down to neigate by the Brighton Rail-
way, sea. yre it eves seven miles te) Dorking, but the road was
a bad one, eghile that from Epsom wale a good one, although
I little longer.
Mr. Nelson , the .architect of Charlerestreet, St. James's-
esquare, extensively „ea:aged in the erection of houses in
London, stated that, wiiii:aledon Park, which contained 700
acres, had been taken for build;
mansions and villas of the
and part of the build
first elites. The plans have been maw_
rots ir4l's raised close to the Wimbledon sta In addition to
Hess, in consequence of th e extension oftheSouth-Yiresternßail-
vay to Richmond, the whole of that district had been olm.ed
for eutmieg purpre.-ee, and he calculated that 1,00 t; !louses. a
Year would be built in that suburb of the metropeDs.
.For buillinge, whether large or small, the use of good lime
Was requisite. Dorking lime was the best, but it wa super-
led at present, to a very great extent, by the Northfieet
which was far inferior but it was cheaper; and it was
',amen practice with builders to make the river lime of a
darker colour, in order to imitate Dorking lime; and even
where the contract specified that Dorking lime should be
used, the lime from Northfleet was often substituted, It was
.t 1 every way advisable ta use the best lime, as it rendered
uildings stronger and more substantial.
To Mr. Monica. the witness replied that the grey Medway
which was Is. to Is. 6d. per yard cheaper. he works
for that line were established in consequence of the dearness
of the Dorking lime, to which_ it was far inferior, although
if had supee-seded it.
.To the RBIAN, the witness rep::,!sd, that from his know
of the geology of the district, he oi,g,:dd Fay that there
Wasl no doubt whatever of opening works to any tent in the
_,orking hills. Upwards of 50,000 tons of lime were ;;:"":
11)1i used in London, and as much more in the provinces, ana
Dorking lime could be supplied for it almost interminably.
Mr. Pryor, chairman of the Coal and Corn Committee of
t!!,.' City of Londen, stated that he had an establishment at
f4ea-castle as well as in London, from which he sent 80,000
!). 100,000 tons of coal each year. The South-Western
',.`•slrpaos, already afforded great facilities at their wharfs at
ne Efnas, where the frontage was 150 feet long, and it
Was about being largely increased. He, himself, deposited
ti 2,000 tons in a year at those wharfs, arid by the alteration
ey wonld be able to take the smaller classes of sea- going col-
ts up to the wharfs themselves, by which the expense of
lighterage, and the disadvantage of the breakage of coals
twoNlel be seve. They had already taken a vessel of ninety
ON and he believed that vessels of one hundred tots could
is taken there. By the official papers he found that be-
tween last July and February the' e had been 354 vessels of
IMO tons, and 541 between that rate and 150 tans, and
4,
`0 between that rate and 200 tons which discharged
Weir cargoes in London, and each of their vessels made, on
;)`:
was
five voyages a year. In saving the lighterage,
Ze'!re was also another advantage gained, for a machine had
:veil invented which was capable of raising 300 toils of coals
a day, and depositing them in the railway waggons, saving
sr, breakage 3d. a ton. The coalwhipper's charge was now
•._ a ton for discharging cargoes. The advantages, together
Le savings of 3d. for deeckarging, Bd. in lighterage, and 7d.
n taking out of the lighters, and ls. 6d. for breakage,
F.:llg altogether a saving of 3s. a ton in favour of the new
in, at least 2s. Bd., so that the coal after it is placed in
/Ls railway wagns is absolutely cheaper than it is in the
WO. The wharfgo at Nine Elms is a public wharf, where no
toiir fags is ever charged. Immense quantities of sea-borne
axin are daily transmitted to the interior of the
opt try, and when the South-Western Railway was
ed, at the reqnest of Sir John Easthope, Mr. Prior had
fiu.sented to open the trade, and sent coal down the main
Ir.! Of the South-Western Company, and the consequence
te`se that from 335., the price of coals had fallen in that dis-
Zr, tto 28s. a ton. If this line were opened he could under-
Ze to deliver coal fit for lime burning and gunpowder mak-
i"4 at 15s. 10d. a ton at Epsom. At present the best house-
ekr:jog coal was 14e. to 16s. a ton, so that it could be defi-
le.' on an average at 17s. 10d. a ton at that place.
to'tr. Bothwell being recalled, said that it chat ss. a ton
theyls from Epsom to Dorking, including one gate, so
could get good coals in that neighbourhood at a
laSmore than 235. a ton.
orzt Prior being further examined, said that ho lis,d hard
te:rge Croydon plan tor the laat four years. He had astit
es down by the Croydon line from that place, and the ex-
ar. es vrere-Bd. lighterage to Coal Blow, near New Cross ;
theetanal dues; towing 13Ad. ; wharfage 6d.; and rail
eoligge 25.-making a total cost of 4s. 4:%e1. a ton to Croy-
tri,,Elicit was eight miles further, giving a further expense
earl°• per ton, winch witk the 6d. a ton for discharging the
e 41,, would cost 6s. 27a d. to Epsom by the Croydon Rail
• giving a contrast of ls. 9.1., the cost by the South-
the'rt,ern line, against tas. 24d., and showing a gain in favour of
the °auth-Westena line of 4s. bid ; or. including t'.e coals,
141fference appears by this line 17s. 10d. a ton for house
Coal against 225. 2d. by the other line. Taking all
to cgs as they were, he should prefer the South-
tile fere line for the facilities afforded to the trade, even if
.reest of the two lines were exactly equal.
(),;° _,Mr. Mee:nen-It appears that the charge for carriage to
fekiin.... was only 11d. a ton per mile. The 12,000 toss of
tt4n7ohich witness delivered at Nine Elms was for making
r the Company. The small vessels would, of course,
fitted for going under the bridges, and lie did not believe
14',.skere was practically any difference in the freightage of
tlarweesels and small ones. He knew that several indivi-
Itik,l. ere preparing to lower their masts and to go into the
Of coue the machine of which he had spoken would
as-
hi it sem i i n the Pool as at Nine Elms.
tie, le-exarnination by Mr. Muumma, Q.C., Mr. Prior
it : Unit in consequence of having a less deep hold to
'into, and from there being a less weight to shake together
th
° voyage, there was less breakage in small vessels than
rge ones.
keiethe CHAIRMAN-The machine was tried at South-
Lan..
b° Mr. Br Ewrx-r and Lord PomaxoTow, Mr. Elliott,
ry., stated that the charge of the South-Western Company
lideserying coals was for 15 miles, 2d. for ,5 miles, an
NI" ton for every greater distance B th ed. Act the toll
1,1..7, and not the rate of carriage, was.reguylate
flakea
•eG.S.tone, a, coal merchant at Ewell, who supplies the
lakti,remiltes in Jewell, Epsom, and the neighbourhood, said
obtained his coals by barge to Kingston, and thence
Stacts°wrl waggons. His general sale was 2,000 tons a-year,
P4course a reduction in the price would increase the
31tekrf i..taytion. His impression was that about 20,000 tons a-
,t,11 consumed in the district.
ep " aghorn, the owner of extensive clay potteries at
akis,_syho exported largely, sends 2,000 to 3,000 tons of
Nine Elms in a year. Large gas-works are situated
e e 0:: Place, where a great questa, y of his clay earth is used.
of isollines from 2,000 to 3,000 tons of coals annually, all
tate:!), he brought from Vauxhall. He supplied other gas
4is ,tuatnents, but the London gas-works took one• half of
tsee:3! earth, and the Waterloo-bridge terminus would be a
ittuenee for supplying the City.
tber; Charles Hall, who sends 200 sacks of flour per week
0
kr,.1,, would, if this line were made, save 70 to 80
of his carriage cost.
44„„e47r 11, an extensive ironmonger at Epsom, stated that
ft7raed 100 tons of hardware from London.
litr.`l;,an observation from the CHAIRMAN,
44,ilenymen stated his object was to show that, as the
to fib Birmingham Company had bought the railway
erlo'"° banks of the Thames, that the formation of this
tStak" would save the expense and delay of such goods
s,g through London, a point which the testimony went
-w•
tleir,'Laniley, of the Spread Eagle at Epsom, and chief
toe°-taaster of the town, testified that three Ones as much
„ the etne to the west-end of London as that which came
At "Y.
taii, Ulla • .
pomt the CHAIRMAN intimated, that as it might
fe tf save time and expense, he thought it right to inti-
kn).
.st there was no probability of the Committee coming
nvLher decision than that at which they had formerly'
,F
‘tet,4l this, however, Mr. BLZiVETT expressed his dissent,
trtj'ee,,room was cleared.
4,414 rlte public was heatre-amtted,
keiitsais'l,lAreatAs said that ought he had been stating
14, be:.'Enous feeling of the Committee, but one of them
sear " out of the room ; and they were, of 'course, ready
kikftertnY evidence that might be adduced.
01), agreed that the evidence should be continued, and
"malttee then adjourned till to-morrow.

r GROUP XIX
NI; -....0n1m••
ittee ascien•bled at twelve o'clock this day;
_ •
Lord Harry Vane (chairman), Earl of Match, Hon.
kk,..."Deotf, Mr. 1). Morris, Mr. Phillip Bennett.
)3117TZTL, TOPSHAM, AND EXMOUTH.
titN_ examination of Mr. Samuda was resumed, who under-
jl,t4rv!ry.
_Foigid cross-examination and re-examination by
4::ptC..tuionnse,lfori the part of the opponents of the Bid, as
the atmospheric principle, on passing the
tht, jlear the River' Exe. He gave a very descriptive
as to the manner it was -to be effected, but admitted
W
JtLias the firsttrial of this principle under water; but 4
Nio.g was elicited in the cou of his evidenc calcuated
the impracticability ofrse its success in this e instance.
p:,4:rurner, member of the Town Ginned and Alderman
;tto', was in favour of the proposed line in preference to
eter and Exmouth, as he considered the latter line
po?not only injurious and detrimental to property, but
'lll,‘ afford that facility and accommodation to the public
‘;'511:11e now under consideration.
ill!tat_Challis, a fisherman, at Lirnster, stated that great
',eh' as
?4111 be conferred on the mercantile and the shipping
Oeth would afford safe shelter and anchorage to
•N intime of distress, by the construction of the pro-
-10% 4.0 and pier.
thttrrute3_ Dunham, who also followed the occupation of a
,l'ohh!st at Liinster, corroborated the opinion expressed by
lili4er witness.
it,h4l7, Poster, a malster, residing at Exmouth for the last
149 in favour of the projected route, as it would uot
a7,a3e and,benefit his business, but promote the in-
‘1,71% vio prosperity generally of Exmouth.
eod, clerk, then handed in proofs relating to the
hi, and dissents.
)q
, closed the case on the part of the promoters of the
111 e
lietietlatnittee then proceeded to consider a petition from
itp,,„We appeared on behalf of the petitioner.
.ies , •
Aty Wou,. were called in order to show the injury her pro-
N 04:o sustain consequent on the proposed line being
%,,kte (I„._
iPeti,l'olinittee then went into the consideration of the
Qt g line.
sraoreer kburn and Mr. Rowe appeared on the part of the
of the
k44t''. ZZETER AND EXINIOUTII.
4,i_liennedy, a magistrate and late mayor of Exeter,
'4l v()Cate mid supporter of this line, stating his prin-
,,i,Sl4,`;eti.oLn to the other route was the impediment created
Loe canal
4il,4lvoll`rci, of Exeter, said the inhabitants of that city were
t r of the proposed scheme, but would prefer the one
Itelsiderat
; the other crossing and likely to inter-
li`elap; nod9on of, the canal.
L"olE
_,w
too
r o clock, they Committee adjourned until
to-morrow (Fri

GROUP XXI.
tio'Ph
e 04, ZONDON ATZD oxranD.
Kt •
b.rnitte re.assembled this morning at the usual
DT'lncb in the chair.
'elite.°lncters proceeded to call witnesses in support of
ItV. tlrst
tik Tho_ nness called by Mr. Hildyard was
Wy, 'Us Treacher, who stated that he bad resided in
rer, ,°llibe all his life and that he was a chair mann-
, of mer chat' t and* small farmer He said the
1)o,, "418 dur
n„ last f years Nirisi r tn.
tequet €,,nt i their the
coals inour nt small quaifies,4o and paid,
itte, 2s. to 2s. 2d. more per ton. About 1,000 trni
lolly columned by the inhabitants. The proprie•