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LONDON, WEDNESDAY, MARCH 11, 1846.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on tha Woolsack at
Five o'clock.

Several petitions were presented, among others one by
Lord BROUGHAM, from the Marquis of WESTMEATH, com-
plaining of the conduct of his own tenantry, in the county of
Roscommon, who opposed every improvement which he pro-
posed, and at the same time subscribed to the O'CoNnELL
rate, and who set him completely at defiance in his efforts to
get rid of the conacre system.
Lord STOURTON gave notice that he should move returns
relating to the importation of foreign corn.
On the motion that the report of the Committee on the
Irish Pacification Bill be received,

The LORD CHANCELLOR proposed the introduction of the
amendments, which it had been arranged should be intro-
duced on the bringing up the report.
A desultory conversation ensued, in the course o f which
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE suggested that the fact of
threatening notices having been written, should give the
Lord Lieutenant power to proclaim a county.
The Loan CHANCELLOR replied that it would be unad-
visable to adopt the suggestion, inasmuch as an individual
might write hundreds of such notices for the mere purpose of
getting a county proclaimed.
Lord STOURTON wished that persons going to their priests,
even if known criminals, should be protected against arrest
when on such an errand.

Lerd BROUGHAM said, known criminals were now subject
to arrest under such circumstances. It would be intolerable
that a murderer should be permitted to escape from the
Police on the excuse that he was going to his priest.
Lord MONTEAGLE objected to the proposal to vest any dis-
cretion In the Policeman to detain or discharge persons found
from
their homes after nightfall. They should he bound to
take the person so arrested before a magistrate, and give to
the magistrate Power to dischar-re him at once and not to de-
tain him for, perhaps, a '
week incustody,
-until the next petty
session.
The Lord CHANCELLOR said, if the matter were permitted
to stand over to the third reading, be would endeavour to see
if some remedy could not be provided.
The Marquis of CLASRICARDE thought a single magistrate
should have the power of deciding whether or not the man
should be detained or discharged.
The Earl of Wicxtow had proposed already- that the
magistrate might have the power of admitting persons to
bail to appeer at the petty sessions.
The Earl ST. GERMANS objected to give magistrates the
power of admitting persons to bail under such circumstances.
The Duke of RICHMOND thought the magistrate ought to
have the power of admitting persons arrested, under such
circumstances, to bail.
The Earl of DEVON supported the recommendation cf the
Lord Chancellor.
The Marquis of NORTHAMPTON supported the proposition
of the Earl of WICKLOW, that power should be given to one
magistrate to admit parties to bail.
The Earl of ST. GERMAINS would withdraw the clause for
the purpose of reconsidering it.
The other amendments were agree i to, the report was re-
ceived, and the third reading of the Bill was timed for
Thursday.
_ _

The Bill, as amended, vas ordered to be pr;nted. Thursday
was fixed for the reconsideration of the report, and Friday for
the third reading.
The House then adjourned.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
Mr. B. Coeur:Arm took the oaths and his seat for Brid-
per..

The Sheriffs of London presented a petition from the Lord
Mayor and Common Council of the city of London against
the North Kent Railway Bill.
Petitions were presented from different parts of the conatryi
praying for the remission of the sentence 0:1 FROST, WII.-
Lulls, and JoNits.
Mr. (nos:JELL presented a petition from Mr.,C. D. rx VETT

who held a confidential situation Iti the Post-office of Ireland
previous to 1880, complaining of the course that had been
pursued towards him, and praying for inquiry.
Mr. Wimams moved, pursuant to notice, for an address
for, inquiry to be made into the state of education in the
principality of Wales, especially into the means afforded to
the labouring classes of adquiring the English language.
He believed that if there had been any discretion among the
English people they;would have long since planted among
them their school-master, and not kept the people of Wales
in that state of darkness which they had done. The Govern-
ment had done everything they possibly could for Ireland,
and he did not see why they should not do the same for
Wales.
Mr. Moaais seconded the motion.
Sir J. GRAHAM, after paying a high eulogium upon Sir
J. GUEST and Sir T. PHILLIPS, for the exertions they had
made towards the education of the people of Wales, stated
that it was the intention of the Government to send two
gentlemen from the Council of Education to inquire into the
system of education in South Wales. He trusted after this
statement the Hon: Member would withdraw his motion.
The motion, after a short discussion, was withdrawn.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE then moved, pursuant to the notice he
had given, an address to her MAJESTY, to take into her gra-
cious consideration the petitions that had been presented
praying the restoration to their native land of FROST, WIL-
LIAMS, and JONES. The Hon. Member, in making the mo-
tion, presented some two or three hundred petitions in addi-
tion to those that had already been presented. If the Right
lion. Baronet would give him an assurance that he would
take the case of these unfortunate men into his serious consi-
deration, he would not trouble the House further upon the
subject.
Sir J. GnatiAm thought it would be better for the Hon.
Member for Finsbury to make his statement, after which he
would state to the House the course the Government in-
tended to pursue.
Mr. T. DUNCOMIIE then at some length entered into the
case of Frost, Williams, and Jones, stating that he had no
complaint to make of the manner in which the trial had
been conducted, but he contended that the conviction had
Len illegal. These parties had suffered greatly, the majesty
of the law had been vindicated, and their release ought to
follow as a matter of course.
Mr. WAKLEY seconded the motion.

Sir J. GRAHAM admitted that the petitions and memo-
rials on this subject were large in favour of the release of
these men. He admitted that the House had the right of
interference, but that interference ought to be exercised
with discretion. Looking at the crime of which these
patties had been convicted, he considered them fortunate in
the highest degree on having escaped with their lives. He
felt bound, therefore, to oppose the motion.
The House was subsequently addressed byMr. MACAULAY,
Mr. DISRAELI, Mr. S. WORTLEY, Mr. AGLIONBY, Sir R.
INGLIS, Mr. WAKLEX, Lord J. MANNERS, Sir R. PEEL, who
objected to the motion, as establishing a bad precedent, and
taking away the prerogative of mercy from the Crown. Mr.
M. Prirmars, Mr. P. HOWARD, Lord J. Russzu, who op-
posed the motion ; and Lord F. EGERTON, who also opposed
the motion ; after which,
Mr. DUNCOMBE replied, and the House divided, when
there appeared—for the motion, 31—against it, 196. Ma-
jority against the motion, 165.
Mr. M. PHILLIPS then moved for copies of all the reports
made by the British Minister in Mexico in the case of Mr.
T. KINDER.
Sir R. PEEL opposed the motion, on the ground that we
bad no right to interfere with the decisions of the Mexican
Government.
The House was then addressed by Mr. GIBSON, Mr.
Fousran. and Mr. Scow.
The motion was eventually withdrawn.
Mr. NEWDEGATE then brought forward his motion for a
Committee on the subject of the Warwickshire Registration.
After .a short discussion, a Committee was ordered to in-
quire into the subject of fraudulent registration generally.
The other business before the House was diaposod of, and
the House adjourned.

Accident placed together two subjects of debate last night,
in the House of Commons, closely and painfully connected
with each other. Mr. Wreerams's account of the lamentable
want of education in Wales fitly preceded the motion by
which Mr. T. Durtcomen reminded the House of the sad, but
sure consequences of ignorance, in the fatal outbreak for
which FROST, WILLIAMS, and JONES are suffering banish-
ment. But while Welsh ignorance calls forth pity for the
multitude who followed on that occasion, it furnishes,
no plea of extenuation for the ringleaders. Our regard for
the interests of the working classes, and sympathy with
their grievances, will not permit us to join in the movement
which they have organised in favour of the leaders of the
Newport insurrection, and to which Mr. Tuostas DUNCOMBE
(with whom generally we are proud to agree) gave articu-
late expression last night in the House of Commons. We
cannot, indeed, conceive a case in which there is less ground
for the interference of the House of Commons to procure a
remission or mitigation of punishment. The preserva-
tion of the peace of the country, the prevention of vio-
lent resistance to the Government, is an object which
all citizens, no matter what their political opinions,
must unite for. The working classes have grievances
which require redress; but armed insurrection is not the way
to redress them. We do not go the length of some writers,
who hold that resistance is in no case justifiable: there are
extreme cases of misgovernment where the general principle
will not hold ; they are cases which speak for themselves, and
were success proves the necessity of resistance and justifies it.
" Great evils ask great passions to redress them,
And whirlwinds fitliest scatter pestilence."
But the state of society, the grievances of the working
classes in 1839, do not make the case of FROST, WILLIAMS,
and JONES, an exception to the sacred general
rule of obedience to civil authority. There is no
parallel between the Newport insurrection and the
Rebellion of 1641 or Revolution of 1688, and if
FROST, Winuams, and JONES have no claim for indulgence
on the merits of their case, the legal plea made for them is
not worth much. • Mr. DUNCOMBE tells us, that if a technical
objection had been taken in time it would have been valid
in the ninion of nine judges to six. But valid fur what ?
Only to postpone the trial, in the opinion of all the judges.
The trial would have been postponed, and the prisoners
would then, probably, have been convicted, and, there
being no technical objection to the conviction, would
have suffered the last sentence of the law, which,
as it is, they have escaped. Or, even if the
technical ebjection had been sufficient (which it was not), if
taken in time to procure an acquittal, it was a technical ob-
jection, and it does not lie in the mouths of those who rested
on a technicality to complain that another technicality has
deprived them of its benefit. It is another very important
circumstance to be considered that the prisoners did not
suffer, but, on the contrary, gained an advantage on their
trial by the informality which they complained of. The
point taken by the counsel for the prisoners was, that they
were not served with a copy of the indictment and a list of
the witnesses at the same time. This was because the Solicitor
to the Treasury indulged the prisoners with a copy of the
indictment four days before the period that the law pre-
scribed. Under these circumstances, we cannot but think the
working classes, and their able and courageous champion,
Mr. DIINCOMBE, have not exercised a sound discretion in
agitating this question.
Mr. DISRAELI strangely misunderstood Sir J. GRAHAM'S
closing intimation, that though he did not feel it to be his
duty to accede to Mr. DUNCOMBE'S motion, it was
not to be inferred that the door of mercy was
entirely closed. This was no encouragement of agi-
tation, but a proper and considerate intimation that con-
ticuance of good conduct might entitle the banished men,
after a longer term of punishment than they have already en-
dured, to a merciful re-consideration of their case. Mr. MA-
caunay, we think, was carried away, perhaps in the fervour of
discussion, into a rather exaggerated view of the offence
which had been committed; and there is one part of Mr.
MacAnnAy's speech which we cannot assent to without
much qualification. We mean that part in which
he reprobates in such unmeasured terms the sympathy
which had been shown for the fate of TAwm. and other
criminals. There is an ingredient in that sympathy which
Mr. MACAULAY has entirely overlooked—hostility to the
punishment of death. There was no sympathy with TAWELL
—no consideration of his crime in the efforts made to pro-
cure a review of the sentence which consigned him to death.
The origin of these efibrts was aversion to capital punish-
ment.

It is a matter of great regret to all the friends of Ireland
that any Coercion Bill, or indeed any extraordinary legis-
lative measure, should be found necessary for that country,
while England and Scotland are exempted from its opeza-
tien. We wish to see the three countries governedby the same
laws, enjoy the same rights and privileges, and form one
free and independent kingdom under our gracious SOVEREIGN.
Unfortunately, however, Ireland has been so long treated
like a conquered country, suffered so much at the hands of
British rulers and legislators, and one class has been so
urged on against another, even by parties that ought to be
alike the protectors of both, that a law which will apply to
these parts of the kingdom and be sufficient for its object. will be
totally ineffective in Ireland. The Irish have been subjected
to the most cruel misgovernment of any people on the face
of the earth. Till very lately they were denied all the pri-
vileges of freemen; their very priests were outlawed ; they
were treated as serfs of the lowest rank; and cruelties un-
heard of in any land, and disgraceful to the human race,
were inflicted on them, solely because they would not abjure
their religion and submit patiently to the iron band that
crushed them to the earth. Circumstances are now happily
changed; their religion and their priests are respected and
recognised by the Government, and the present Cabinet
would in all respects, as regards both, place their church on
thef same footing with that of England and Scotland but
Tirinir the prejudices entertained against the Catholic faith.
political liberties also have been to a great extent
vindicated, and with a very few exceptions they may be
th
said to enjoy blessings of the British consti-
tution. But sudden
ell'ects anticipated, changes rarely produce the
and
kindeople enslaved fur ages
require long nursing andhinecessary
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efonr.eee theyto t
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enjoy freedom or conduct ti
laws which are absolutely ssecurity. These
remarks are true as regards Gresce, Spain,
espe-
cially Ireland. In neither is law suflicenantld more
and extraordinary remedies, therefore, are required.
respected,rec'
Possibly the undefined relations between landlord
and tenant have been the main causes of the de-
plorable condition of the Irish peasantry, and have
led many of them to resort to the most horrid of all crimes
—assassination—to obtain redress for what they considered
their wrongs. But such a means of redress cannot be en-
dured for a moment in any country whatever. It is abhor-
rent to the human mind ; it tends to dissolve the bonds of
society, and bring civilised beings to the most brutal and
barbarous condition. It cannot be denied that this inhuman
practice has been carried on, and is still carried on, ill part
of Ireland to au alarming extent; it has been .adopted .a

system, andfndependent of the atrocities of such deeds, they
have-the most ruinous consequences on the very people who
resort to them for relief. It drives capital, and consequently
employment from Ireland ; no man that can help it will live
in a country where his life is never secure even
against the mid-day assassin ;no improvements can take
place, and unless the Government have the power
to repress such horrible crimes, and afford security to life
and property, the land will soon be occupied only by bands
of ignorant and lawless savages. The Government, by the
present Bill, has made the attempt to discover a remedy,
but whether it will be succ,essful or not is another ques-
tion. Like all Coercion Acts, we fear that it will
ultimately fail, and that nothing but better go-
vernment and time will be found sufficient to abate
such crying evils. But so deplorable and so FMS -
rious to the miserable peasantry themselves is the state of
the country, that even the best friends of the Irish wish to
give it a trial, in the hopes that the crime of assassination
may be put down. No doubt several of the clauses are se-
vere, but great crimes require severe laws, and we,
therefore, regret to find Mr. O'CONNELL railing, not so much
against the objectionable parts, as against the very attempt,
and using language which we fear will only excite the people
to rebel against it. "I have often spoken harshly," says he,
in his last letter, "of the Emperor NICKOLAJ, but I will do
him the justice to say that he never issued such an ukase to
this ;" and in another place, " it has the hellish perfection of
perpetuity of pain and infliction." We lament that such
language should be used, and that many Peers well known
for their humanity should be ranked with such a despot, and
find such epithets applied to a measure which they con-
scientiously believe necessary._

We have accounts from Madrid to the 3d ins!ant, but
though they bring no intelligence of a striking character,
they lead to the belief that the present Ministry cannot go
on long. NARVAEZ and his party keep aloof from them,
Mar.riNEz DE LA Rosa, though not entirely opposed to them,
has in a manner deserted his post by retiring to Paris as am-
bassador, and the funds are rapidly declining. The large
sum required as an indemnification to the lay proprietors has,
no doubt, had an unfavourable effect in this respect, for to
raise such a large sum as 6,000,0001., or even provide for the
annual interest, is no trifle in a country like Spain. The
Government are making exertions to put down smuggling,
and very properly have begun with the foreign ministers
The Gazette of the 3d contains a circular addressed by the
Minister of Finance to the Director-General of Customs, fix-
ing the amount of articles to be imported for the private
use of the diplomatic body. An ambassador is allowed to
import articles free of duty to the value of 2,000/. ; a minister
plenipotentiary 1,4001; a resident 800 L; and a chargé d'
affaires 600!.

On the 3d the Three per Cents. closed at 293,0 cash, and
29% at 60 days; the Five per Cents. at 21% for the 30th of
April.

The Paris papers are chiefly occupied- with the Polish
insurrection and the affairs of Africa. On the furmer sub-
ject we have given elsewhere the latest particulars received
from Germany and the different places where insurrection
had broken out. They leave no hopes whatever of success;
and, perhaps, under all circumstances, the best that could
happen would be the speedy suppression of this ill-advised
and ill-planned demonstration. Should it proceed further,
only more persons will be implicated, and more victims
destined for punishment. A Polish committee has been
formed at Parith`tith a view to raise subscriptions and aid
the Poles in the rightecus cause, but we have great doubts
of the expediency of such a step at the present inauspicious
time. The *Orme says, the committee is composed of the
following matt' ers among others :—Messrs. ARAGO, BAUNE,
DAVID (IYAngers), DUPCYrY, ETIENNE ARAGO, FLOCON,
GUINARD, LEDRU ROLIIN, LOUIS BLANC, MICIIELET, QUI-
NET, and RECURT, and subscriptions have been opened in
the offices of nearly all the Opposition papers.

The accounts from Algiers are very unsatisfactory. Mar-
shal BUGEAUD, as our readers are aware, bad arrived at the
place, and reckoned upon remaining there some time to form
his plans and recruit his exhausted troops, but ABD-IL-
KADER will not give his consent, and is resolved to allow the
Marshal no rest. He has suddenly appeared on the east of
the French frontier, and BUGEAUD is thus compelled to set
out in pursuit of him, with every man that can be spared.
The following account of this new movement appears in the
Akbar, and is dated Mascara, Feb. 25 :
" In consequence of the sudden appearance of Abd-el-Kader in the
east of our posseslons, all the columns of the province of Algiers
have been directed towards that point. The Governor-General has
been forced, in order to cover the long opening which their movement
occasioned in the central line of the 'fell, to call from the province of
Algiers the column of Colonel Pellisier, which Is now watching the
pass of Boghar, and tkat commanded by Colonel Renaud, whieh is
in observation of the country beyond the sources of the Cheliff.'
This disposition could not take place, except to the detri-
ment of the combinations adopted, in order to close the
province of Oran against the Emir. In fact, the line of the
Keff is without troops from Tiaret to the Oued-el-Abd, and
the Aghalicks of the Sdamas and Flittas, where the insurrection had
been scarcely quelled, was left open to the first agitator who should
attempt again to rouse them. It was necessary, therefore, to till up
these blanks as soon as possible. Lieut.-General de Lamoriciere im-
mediately set himself to the work, and notwithstandieg the enor-
mous diminution that his troops have experienced, he adopted rapidly
all the measures commanded by circumstances."

The article goes en to describe the arrangements made by
General LAMOIUCIERE to attain the desired object. They
appear to have been skilfully planned, but have necessarily
called into use every detachment at his disposal.

The French Funds on Monday were greatly depressed. The Three
per Cents. (dosed et 84f. 10c. ; the Five per Cents., 120 f. 13c. . • the
Orleans Railroad shares, 1,300 f. ; Rouen, 1,0115 f. ; Havre, 745 f. ;
Great Northern, 780 f. ; Avignon, 980 f. • Vierzen, 7511 f.; Bordeaux,
662 f. 50c. • ' Boulogne, 525'. ; Basle. 240 f. ; Farupoux, 4601'. • Dieppe,
470 f.; Paris and Strasburg, 5 tOf. ; Tours and Nantes, idif. 25c.;
Paris and Lyons, definitive, 625 f. 50c.

The following are the quotations for other lines:—

Lyons and Avignon Railroad, definitive, 567 f. 50c. ; ditto (Talabot)
512 f. 50c. ; ditto (Lecoiute), 505 f. 50c. • ditto (Compagnie Meridie-
nale), 502 f. 50c. ; Bordeaux and Cette eMackenzie), 503 f. 50c. ; ditto
(Espeleta), 510 f. ' • Charleroi, 495 f.
3lausErLuss, Merrell s.—Marseilles and Avignon, I,olof.
Northern, 7921. 50c.;
LYONS, Dimwit 7.--Mareeilles and Avignon, 1,002 f. 50c. ; Paris and
Orleans, 1,337 f. 50c.; Rouen, 1,067 f. 50c. ; Vierzon, 763 f. 50c.
BHSINESS DONE IN FOREIGN RAILWAYS AT THE
LONDON STOCK KICIIANGE, Niaaez 10.

Boulogne and Amiens, IN—Bordeaux, Toulouse, and Cetta
(Mackenzie), 2- -Dutch Rhenish, b 34 —East Indian, —great North.
em of France Coustituted, 16%--Jamalca South Midland Junc-
tion, 2 —Lyons and Avignon, 2—Luxembourg. IN—Nainur and
Liege, 24—Orleaus and Yiersoa, 19—Orleans and Bordeaux, 11%—
Wes t Fl anders, 336.

The following Members are proposed to be nominated by
Mr. Etwall for the Committee on the Andover Union :—Mr.
Etwall, Mr. Christie, Mr. Wakley, Lord Courtenay, Mr.
Charles Wood, Captain Pechell, Sir V. Heathcote, Mr. Man-
ners Sutton, Mr. Disraeli, Mr. T. Duncombe, Mr. Beckett
Denison, Mr. Henley, Mr. Pakington, Mr. John Feilden, and
Mr. Stuart Wortley.