The Sun.
London, England, 1846-05-22 00:00:00

GROUP XLII.

NOZITZ 1111ITISR EXTENSION).
(Continued from our .A.fteraeon Edition.)
Mr. Robert Cowen re-examined—The 20,000 tons of Canobie coal
he meant was the quantity that would be consumed In Carlisle and
south of It.
To the CHAIRMAN—The length of the canal was 11% miles. The
present rates down the canal was Is. a ton, and 3d. a ton for track-
ing, beng is. 3d. each ton. lie had learned that there was every in-
tention to reduce it to fol. The present price of coals in Carlisle was
for the best Rs. 2d. ; second, Is. Rd. ; and third quality for steam

purpose!. 4s.
11r. Marshall, traffic-taker, eXaMined—He had had considerable
experience in taking traffic. lie took the traffic for the Norte Bri-
Ceti line. The observations on the present line were taken by men
placed at various points along the route in the mouths of
Jaricary and August. lie took the passengers from the way-bills.
The traffic of this line had much decreased of late, on account of the
greater facilities afforded by the Newcastle route from the opening of
the railways south. 111 making his estimate of passengers, he had
added t5O per cent. for increase, which he considered &moderate cal-
culation. In addition to the passengers through Hawick, he had
taken 1,500 passengers, who went yearly by the Newcastle route for
the south that would go by the present line, if it was opened. The
whole number of passengers that went that way was 10,000, and of
that amount he thought 1,500 a moderate number that would go this
way if they had railway accommodation. The parties by gigs and
girivate vehicles were taken by observation, and to that also he had
added ISO per cent. The same principle of Doting traffic
was observed in estimating goods. He had taken credit in the
tables for a large amount of fish that would pass along this line from
Dunbar to the Liverpool and Manchester. He had calculated 1,500
tone of fresh meat that would go by this railway. His coal esti-
mate he made out from the estimate of the witnesses examined yes-
-erday. The cattle and sheep traffic was made front the information
at Mr. Nelson and Mr. Maxwell. The total income was set down
at 60,5661.
Cross-examined—He took January and August fur the passenger
traffic, August was not a fair mouth, hut it was compensated by
January. The trafllc in August was taken about the middle of the
mouth. His information of the passeugers that went by Newcastle,
he got from guards and coachmen and inquiries eat Edinburgh. Of
all the passengers that went by die Edinburgh and Newcastle coaches
he took 1,500 that would go by this line; as he learned that
a great proportion of those also went south of Newcastle, went to the
Midland Counties of England. He had but estimated 100 per cent.
or increase on the Hawick line last year, but lie had seen reason this
year to consider 150 a tair calculation. The men who were placed
to make the observations were instructed to put down every person
on horseback and every vehicle that was travelling more than three
miles ; anti out of this information he made his tables, striking oil'
from the data furnished a proportion, so that the table furnished
would include only those that were travelling six miles and upwards.
He considered that 9,13-a. would be raised this way. Lie did not
consider that an over-estimate. lie had never heard of parties
being purposely sent by Companies along the roads in gigs, in order
that they might be included in the traffic ealeulations.—(Laughter.)
if the route from Dunbar, through the North British to Newcastle,
and iron thence in a direct manner to Manchester was shorter, then
the 4,000 tons of flab he bad estimated to be carried by this line was
erroneous, as a great portion of it would go by the east line. The
.t.sl? that would go to Liverpool and Manchester, would in all probe-
'NE ty, take that route. With respect to the coal traffic, he had taken
the present consumption at Hawick, and trebled it, making 24,000
tons in all. Ile had estimated a ton and a half to each person. When
he spoke of Hawick in this estimate, lie meant the town and pariah
of Hawick And the district surrounding it. The population
of the town and parish of Hawick in 1841, was 6,573,
Mr. Rita:atlas asked how he could makes up the balance of 16,H00
eff ii population which was implied in the supposition of a ton anti
half being consumed by each person ill the Hawick district.
Witness then went through a series of parishes in and beyond the
neighbourhood of Hawick which when cast up made a population
of 13,419. lie admitted, therefore, that 24,000 tons showed an over
estimate of 4,000. This was at the same time on the supposition
that the coal delivered at the elawick station would go as far north
as Jedburgh and St. Boswell's, and that the Dalkeith coal would be
shut out of this district, also that the Canobie coal would retain their
present price. His c ilculation given last year of coal
And lime Wing brought out of the Lothians must now
oe struck out as far as these tables were concerned as they were
calculated to be supplied from Canobie and Langholm.
Sir. Patrick Maxwell, of Canobic, was briefly examined in corro-
boration of the evidence of the previous' witness
Mr. Blythe, civil engineer, examined Mr. Se' rgeant nel.,r.fah He laid down the line under the direction of Sir. Miller.— Se181i;:e
joined with the Edinburgh li.lll
iLleotoigthtott,linaVwtlite easthte' way at Hawick, and passed by Moss
last
arstit of Langton, on to Carlisle. The
with the deviation line of
She Caledonian Company now dforr ttrte.
.jilte,rtebwr
oet:Ltilritignointo central station to be constructed in Carlisle.'''
culty in both Companies using the same line here
witdhift';
double set of rails. The steepest gradient on the line
was I in 75, between Netherby and Longton. The
length was Pi miles. The smallest radius on the main line was
Three furlongs. There was a tunnel of 300 yards in length, near to
g gradient from liowiek to Moss Paul was
one towards Carlisle, sue in 90.
Xoss Paul. The asaendia
sue in 100, and the descending
There were four short viaducts, 650 yards in length altogether. The
42 miles in length, and there were two short
Main ikie 1,6
rri 'would form I
miles elem. ..116
branchee elf 1N
roin ltowick by Carlisle the distance
erom Howiek to London and La. iikashire, connecting the hues at pre-
etat authorised ,to be made. -
elso and Berwick, 4
to London would he 313 miles;
and icyinburghK by Hawiek to Carlislo7
e
miles. The whole distance I.°lll 100 miles. His whole esti-
was 96 ntiles ; by the Caledonian abo,ll.t
mate of the line, inclutlifig land, cuesbho,oont The working expenses
were estitnated at 37 per cent.
t;rome-teareined by Mr. lierE—lle thought the present line would
be worked in connexion with the Edinburgh and Ilawick line. Last
wear bee estimate was 441 per cent. for working expenses. He hail
not maculated the distatiee from Hawick to London on the StlPPosls
than 05 the London and York being granted. If that were made then
the distance by lterwick and that line would be 375 Miles ; and it
the Direct Nat them passed, nine miles shorter. They proposed to
run into ilis iteiti of the Lancaster and .Carlisle Company at Car-
lisle, to it ee it the latter objected. This line crossed several
eho:engliteree It crossed Crown-street on a level. Borough-
eteeec wee proposed to be lowered three feet, and to be
4erossed by au arch of twelve feet. There were severe e
Mange un the level. They might have had a gradient of one in a
100 at Netherby had they chosen to expend money fur it. witness
Stud had a scheme to pass along the other hank of the ESL, but Sir J.
Graham objeettel to it. It would have had better gradients than the ,
present line. .4 devastate had also been made to meet the objections I
of the Duke of Buceleueli. The 'revolt was crossed 13 times.
Mr. Hope here subinittail a paper, witli a series of questions on
the estimates of Is sate, which, if the witness would return written
,4118,eri to them, Itie liope'el enes-exerniiiiation would be very
much shortened.
Sergeant lieeAsas ',elected to this course as unusual, and
theta:ht. It would interfere name more with the time of the Com-
mittee than if the queetiou were lima put to Ilie witness in regular
order.
Alter sortie conversation Oil the puha, It was arranged that Mr.
_Hope should put Lis questions thou seriatim to the witnrss.
Sir. Blythe wan then questioned at length ou the amount of exca-
erktion, the nature of the 'Unita, the emilnk
S‘ ment, 'bridges, Masco-
wort, permanent way, ~. going detail over the whole works
along the line.
The cross-examination was proceeding, when
evident that the questions had re-
ference
The ChIALBMAN said, as it wa
to the case of the I 'a:edonian that was to follow, be thought
• It would be as well that a written abstract was drawn up and put in
Tine.
r estetted to and the egos-examination was droppNl.

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, • shire was really subordinate to the real claims, which the Caledonian
11:xtenalen preferred for the favourable consideration of the Commit-
toe- The malt feature hi the case was the formation of a connexion
between Edinburgh and Ayrshire. llealdeg it would have the effect
of
alcetlaud sup to Glawsow e richest coal and mineral district in
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