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IMPERIAL PA.RLAMEI
May 23- [ OF THE BERKS AND HANTS, Sec.) BILL. I loud cheers. We understand that after the gallery was
HOUSE OF LORDS,
On the question that the report upon this Bill be read, cleared, Sir James Graham and Sir R. H. Inglis spoke
The LORD Cnancneeon. took his seat upon the Wools
a lengthened discussion arose as to a discrepancy in the in opposition to the motion, and Sir Robert Peel and
pack at Five o'clock.
The Earl of HARDWICKE presented several peti. Bill, in not defining the purposes to which the capital the Judge-Advocate in favour.
RETURNS OF TIMBER AND SILK.
raised under it was to be devoted, and ultimately
Lions against the Jewish Disabilities Removal Bill.
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK rose to move for re-
The Bishop of WISCHESTER presented several
Mr. LABOUC HERE moved that it be re-committed,
in order to introduce into it a clause, stating the general
turns, showing the quantities and prices, duty paid, of
petitions with a similar prayer.
Presented several petitions purposes for which the money is to be raised and ex-
' Canadian timber sold by public sale in London, on Fri-
Lord DUNFERMLINE pended, which was agreed to.
in favour of the 13,i11. LONDON, BRIGHTON, AND SOUTH COAST day, the 10th of Mareh, distinguishing red from yellow
Lord BEAUMONT presente.d several petitions from
RAILWAY (LONDON-BRIDGE AND NEW timber, and giving an abstract, showing the average
various lodges of Odd Fellows, in favour of the Bill for
CROSS STATIONS, Sc.) BILL. price of each description of timber, together with the
She legalization of their society.
THE VERNON GALLERY. Mr. GRENFELL moved the reception of the report. highest and lowest price in each case. Showing any
reductions of duties on thrown silks and on Indian silks,
Lord) ONTEAGL, after passing a high eulogium Capt. PECHELL opposed the reception of thereport of
the Committee, on the ground that the line did not afford which may have been made in 1842, together with a
on gr- Vernon for the magnificent present of pictures.
the accommodation it should to the poorer classes, as return, showing the importations of such silks in the
which he had mad© to the public, moved for a return of
the company had stopped day-tickets, increased the years 1842, 1845, and 1846, respectively, on which such
alldonarions tbat had been made by private indivi-
duals to the National Gallery. fares, stopped many of the trains, closed several of reductions
.may. have. been mades : likewise showing
in pounds. of raw and waste
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE bore his testimony to the. stations, and moved their goods station from London- the quantities,
bridge to New Cross•, and within the last few days a silk imported, exported, and consumed at home
the generous liberality of Mr. Vernon, Sir George 1844 and 1845, ascompared • h
with
Beaumont, Mr. Holwell Carr and the other benefactors meeting had been held at Brighton to oppose this Bill, in the years
to the National Gallery. so dissatisfied were the inhabitants with the conduct of the two years 1846 and 1847, giving the average an-
Lord COLBOihNE reminded their Lordships that the railway. He thought when parties consented to a nual quantity consumed at home in each period. Simi-
lin perhaps because a particular station should be lar returns in regard to thrown silk ; and,: showing the
more than one moiety of the pictures in the National
erected,e'. that
_Parriament ought not to allow railway quantities and value of all articles of cotton, woollen,
*fairy had been the gift of private individuals. Heand silk, of needlework, and watches of foreign menu-
companies to close it.
would suggest the propriety of enlarging the Gallery,
fee it was not fair alter they had accepted this mum- Mr. GRENFELL said the public generally formed facture, boots and shoes, ;and boot-fronts, and all
fitent gift from Mr. Vernon, that they should put him unreasonable.h expectations with respect to the benefits other articles nut enumerated in the trade and naviga-
tet
eehyt ought to rceive. With respect to the Parlia Lion returns, imported into tho port of London, in the
the inconvenience of opening his private house to
m ar; trains, the. directors would be happy to give four months ending the sth day of May, 1848, as com-
the public twice a week to exhibit these pictures to the
full explanation in relation to their conduct in respect pared with the corresponding three mouths of 1845,
public.—The motion was then agreed to.
of them to the tribunal appointed by the Legislature. 1846, and 1847. Continuation of so much of return
PETITIONS.
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The Marquis of LONDONDERRY presented save-
Bill at a future stage.
na-
ral petitions from the North of Ireland in favour of the
The report was then received.
Frew Church Sites (Scotland) Bill. REPORTS.
SPAIN.
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collectioni the
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The NOBLE MARQUIS asked if the letter which_heada
to.— April,
following reports were then received and agr.eed
recently appeared in the papers, purporting
Bulwer,
h
Caledonian Canal Bill.
letter from the Duke of Sotomayor to Sir H.
Furness Railwayßill.
sequent upon reduction of customs duties in 1846. He
was genuine, and whether any further correspondence
had taken place on the subject. He should, nottwithhis-
trusted that the House would bear with him while he
standing the opinion of the Noble Duke, perseverein bride
and Brighton,
New
cCross
s as n
Stations,
South
a Coastc ) Railway
Bill.
y 'loved, who did
moved for those returns. There was no man, he be•
motion for a return of the names of the Spanish pen- Manchester)(staltainochhAespteprr,ohSchheiffineld, Lincolnshire Railway
stoners.Lincolnshire Railwa
Canal) be deceived by any statistical statements on the
not thick that the House ought not to
heand L Sheffield
The Mara:luta of LANSDOWNE could not answernottice Manchester, Sheffield,B
• u the Noble Marquis had not given any
queNtion. (Station. at Sheffield and
Bill. subject of those returns. He had formerly made
.. Y statements on those of Nis intention to ask it. questions, and his state-
The Nonesn Maniac's then presented several petitions
J f with the Midland Railway, via Barnsley, and
Sheffield,
unc ion
Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railwa
ments had been questioned, and he now made
from the Protestant clergymen of Ireland, in favour of
en., national system .e.... of education; also upwards of 100 Branches therefrom) Bill.
Lincolnshire a motion for returns which would clear up the state-
ments he had then been doubted in as re
petitions in favour of the Jewish Disabilities Removal .
of Sheffield-street in Manchester, &c.) Bill. regarded the
Hill. (Crossing
Manchester.
South Junction and Altrincham Railway effects of recent legislation in the commodities of timber
PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS ADJOURN- Manchester. and silk ;and at this time, when the question was before
MENT BILL. Bill•was most likely to
the country what mode of taxation
Paving Bill.
Oxford Pav accord with its people—when a great experiment was
Oa the motion of Lord STANLEY, the House went Oxford, 'Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway being tried, it became of
the utmost importance that
into Committee on this Bill. The Noble Lord explained (No. I—lncrease of Capital) Bill.
they should be correctly informed with regard to the
some verbal and other amendments which he proposed
Payne's Patents (Improvements in preserving Vege- measures of alteration which had been carried, and what
to introduce iaio it, and said he should move that the
table Matters) Bill.
the effects of those alterations were. He was one of those
Bill be re printed with such amendmante, and subee- Vale of Neath Railway (Power to the South Wales who considered that direct taxation was not the mode
quently recommitted. Railway Company to subscribe, and
Committee .., Amendment of by which the revenues of this country were to be in-
Lord CAMPBELL recommended that a Acts) Btu.
nted to con- creased. He was one of those who believed that the
of this and the other House should be appoi .
had COLONIAL EXPENDITURE
however, that itprinciple adopted by the United States of America of
cider the subject. He thought, Sir W. MOLESWATH '
' ' until next session. Thegave notice of his intention, imposing a duty on all imported goods, was by far the
T d
better stand over altogether.on ues ay, the 20th of June, to call the attention of
it proposed to effect wouldbest mode that could be resorted to—a mode preferable
only important change which i
The Noble Lord pro- the House to the colonial
expenditure and government. to direct taxation or taxation on Excise. He had, on a
render the Bill quite nugatory.
he Commons, SPAIN—DEPARTURE OF SIR 11. -IaULWER- former occasion, showed that a large proportion of the
which stood over from t . . _
posed that Bills .
the following session by their Lord PALMERSTON, in answer to a question from taxes which had been remitted went into the
and were taken up should go Mr. Bankes, stated that her Majesty's Government had pockets of the foreigner ; and he had shown
receivingm the royal assent,
Lordships before
mohs who were to pass a resole- that morning received dispatches from Sir H. Bul,ver, also that the removal of the prohibitive ditties did
back again to the Coetimat, ,_
however, they had the power from Madrid, to the 17th instant, in which it was stated nee compensate the British manufacturer or the
ion in their favour. ".1:
t by as existing standing order, that Sir H. Bulwer was about to leave Madrid, that he pple of this country. On the occasion to which
of doing at pree
would be that the courts in West, mine had received his passports from the Spanish Government he referred, he had shown that, while the price of
Another difficulty
to
see w
hether, with reference to the for that purpose, and that it was his (Lord Palmerston's) Baltic timber hid, on the one hand, risen 1 ls. per load
ster Hall would have
enular forms had been complied intention to lay the correspondence on the subject on that of Canadian timber had, on the other, become so
Bills so passed,. the r e
would be necessary to insert another the table of the House on Thursday next. reduced, that the greatest distress had resulted to the
with. And it
h t such Bills should be considered binding in lONIAN ISLAND7n Canadian interests in this respect. On that occasion it
clause,
ft alaw. He was convinced that it would not be Mr. HUME said he understood the liberty of the Press was said by a Right Hon. Gentleman (understood to be
point of to the wisdom of their Lordships' had been suppressed in those islands. He wished to Mr. Gladstone), that he (Lord George Bentinek) was
Lleuee to send down the Bill in its present form to the know what the law now was with regard to the press, utterly misinformed on the subject ; and that so far from
other Hpuse of Parliament, and whether anv alteration had been made as to the the alteration of the law having the effr•ct of cruelly
Lord MONTEAGLE hoped his Noble Friend (Lord mode of election? grinding down their colonial produce, and producing
Stanlor) would persevere with the Bill. Mr. HAWES said there was a law still in force with short prices, Canadian timber had risen 7s. per load.
Lord CAMPBELL explained. regard to the exclusion of books, which gave the Go- Those statements had been made by the President and
Lord STANLEY said that the amendment havinn vernment considerable power; but, practically, it had Vice-President of the Board of Trade, and afterwards
been in conformity with recommendations which had no operation; for the free importation of books had been repeated by the Secretary of State. When those state •
sanctioned in 1844. The restrictions on the press were
been made from both sides of the House in former stages manta were made, it was not surprising that the House
parcel of the original constitution under which
of the Bill, be thought it would be unnecessary to re- part and should be carried away by the opinion that he was
we had taken possession of the islands; but the liberty
commit the Bill. He proposed, therefore, that the totally'misinformed. But it was not only on public
of the press was now fully secured, and the subject of
House should at once go through the Bill. grounds that he felt it due that he should move for the
elections and other points were now under the consi-
After a few words from Leal MONTEAG LE on the returns in question. He felt it due to the House that the
deration of the Noble Lord at the head of the Colonial
same side, public should be correctly informed on this question. He
Lord REDESDALE, while disagreeing with the Bill department. proposed to ask her Majesty's Government that returns
"VERNON'S
PUBLIC WORKS OF ART.—MR. VERNON be furnished, and he thought that a compliance with his
as it stood, would not divide the House upon it, as by
PICTURES.
so doing he would disarrange the entire question. motion would set the matter at rest. He believed that he
Mr. V. SMITH begged to ask the Noble Lord at the
After a few words from the Earl of DEVON, was justified in the statements he had made. It was
-The pill was passed through the Committee, and head of the Government when it was intended to sum said, in contradiction to him, that the price of Canadian
mon a meeting of the Committee, appointed on the 11thred
timber on which the duties had been remitted 10s.,
ordered to be reported, with amendments.
of February last, to consider the best mode of providing had only
Their Lordships then adjourned. fallen from 955. to 925. On the very day on
--eseire----_ additional room for works of art, given to the public, or which that statement was made, a great sale took place
purchased by means of Parliamentary grants. He (Mr. at the Hall of Commerce, Tnreadneedle-street, at which
Smith) had been appointed a member of that Committee, 31,900 feet of white, and 12,000 feet of red timber was
but they had never been summoned to meet. 1.1 s reason sold; and by a return which he held in his hand, and
for putting the question was this :—A very munificent which he would take the liberty to place in the hands of the
gift had been presented to the nation by Mr. Vernon.— Member for Oxford (Mr. Gladstone), the price of red tim-
(Hear, hear)—consisting of a valuable collection of plc- ber had reached 655. sd. that day, and not 925. He had
tures ; and he understood that the trustees of the Na- in his hand a communication from Gilmore and Co.,
tional Gallery had been obliged to ask Mr. Vernon's large timber merchants, expressing surprise that any
leave to exhibit his own gift in his own house.—(Hear, such statement could have been made, and they autho-
hear.) He, therefore, wished to know whether it was rised him to state to the Right Hon. Gentleman the
still the intention of the Noble Lord to call together the Nlember for Oxford (who sets a due value on the timber
Committee to which he had alluded, or to take any of Cornish mines too), that they had made him an offer
other steps for providing the additional accommodation of red timber, now lying at Hull, for 755. He believed
required. the Right Hon. Gentleman would look upon this as a
Sir R. INGLIS said he had a notice on the paper for windfall. In 1842 the foreign trade of the Baltic
that day, to move for copies of any communications was carried on equally by British ships and British
which had passed between the Government and Robert seamen, and foreign ships and foreign seamen. In 1839
Vernon, Esq., relative to that gentleman's offer of a he found that the foreign trade in the Baltic was carried
portion of his collection of pictures ; and probably the on by 667 British ships, manned by 6,433 British sea-
Noble Lord at the head of the Government would now men, and by 663 foreign ships, manned by 6,863 foreign
make some statement which might render that motion seamen. But since the great alteration had token place
unnecessary. in 1845, the number of British ships had fallen from 667
Lord J. RUSSELL said it certainly was his intention to 662, and the number of British seamen fell from
to call together the Committee at at an early period. 6,438 to 5,937; while the number of foreign ships in-
When the fact was announced to the Government, of creased from 663 to 1,893, and of foreign seamen from
Mr. Vernon having made this munificent and handsome 6,863 to 17,449.—(Hear.) They might be as good
gift to the public, ha (Lord J. Russell) had requested Englishmen as he was ; but if they did not enter
his Noble Friend the Chief Commissioner of Woods and seriously into the consideration of this question, they
Forests (Lord Morpeth), to try and find a place suit- did not come up to his notions of what Englishmen
able for the accommodation of so valuable a collection; ought to be. With respect to the Canadian trade, he
some correspondence had passed, and his Noble Friend would show the House the greatest distress had befallen
would state the result. it by the measures which had lately been passed in that
Viscount MORPETH said he must do full justice to House; and that they had put into the pockets of fo•
Mr. Vernon's spirit of accommodation, as well as to his rei,gners the greater part of the duty taken off. He
munificence. When a difficulty was found about pro• with left it to the House to say, such a falling off
viding
n a room which should be suitable in every way, of prices as he had shown, what the Canadian mere
asto light and other requirements, the offer of Mr. chants must have suffered by the change. Ile
Vernon's own house for the accommodation of the would now come to the other branch of the returns
public had proceeded from that gentleman himself.- for which he was moving —he meant the silk trade.
Sir R. PEEL said that, as one of the trustees of the He had, on a former occasion, drawn attention to this
National Gallery, he was very glad to bear his testi- sub' andthe distress , existed in the districts
Spitalfields
to
mony, in the strongest manner, not only to the muni- of and
ficence with which Mr. Vernon had acted, but to the it commenced in its greatest severity in 1845 ; but he
extreme delicacy of his conduct.—(Hear, hear.) AP' was told that he had made a great chronological mistake
prehending that several of his pictures might not be —that it had commenced as early as 1840, and that the
thought worthy of a place in the National Gallery, he alteration in the law was not until 1845. He attributed
had allowed the trustees to make their choice from the the distress mainly to that alteration. The Noble Lord
whole collection, at the same time submitting his own charged the free-ade party in the House with having
opinions as to those which he considered most desirable dabbled in the silk trade of this
brought country until they
to appropriate to the public.—(Cheers.) There being
ruin upon those most directly engagedl- in it
a diffieulty as to finding a suitable building—for not the manufacturers in Spitaltields and I.3.etliareen. It
every building, however large, had such a light as was had been said by the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Glad-
adapted for the exhibition of paintings, Mr. Vernon had stone) that the details of ruin and distress which he had
said, with the greatest liberality, "You shall have my given on this subject were, as related to Spitalfields and
house, as well as my pictures; the house as it stands Bethnal-green, greatly overstated, and that it mas not the
shall be placed at your service."—(Cheers.) It was competition of foreigners, but of the Manchester manufac-
right that this great munificence and handsome conduct turers that affected them. But he (Lord G. Bentinck) did
on the part of Mr. Vernon should be publicly known, not find that since 1842 there had been any great in-
RELATIONS WITH SPAIN. crease in the silk-trade of Manchester. He found that in
Mr. ANSTEY wished to know whether the departure 1842 there were eight or nine silk mills in Manchester,
of Mr. Bulwer from Madrid was to be explained in the and he now found that there were seven or eight mills
manner it had been explained by some of the foreign in full employment there. When he turned his eyes to
journals—that he had been removed to a higher post, foreign countries, he found a very different state of
the ambassadorship to Constantinople ; or whether it things with regard to importation from abroad to this
was to be taken as indicative of an entire rupture of country, and it was mainly to show how things had
friendly relations with that Court. changed that he now moved for the returns. He now
Viscount PALMERSTON—The departure of Mr. asked that there should be laid before the House a return
Bulwer from Madrid does not arise from his being all" of the importation of silks to the port of London alone;
pointed to any other post.—(Sensation.) and having looked at the official returns of the Custom-
Viscount PALMERSTON again rose, and said--ot house papers, he found that in the four months ending
course it does nut proceed from any rupture of our rela- the sth of May, reckoning 31. sterling as the value be•
lions with Spain.—(Heir, hear.) which thrown silk 500,5771. sterling, and repeating that
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. he found that it amounted at the end or the year to one
Lord G. BENTINCK said he presumed that the mo- million and a half sterling. If they took 9s. a week as
lion which he had to submit would meet with a ready the average of the wages of the Bethnal-green weaver,
concurrence . from the House—that the House at its rig they would find that there had been imported into the
big should adjourn to Thursday.—(Cheers.)
Mr, Res i port of London alone, goods which, after deducting
N E hoped the House would not agree to this
motion.— one-third, would be equal to the wages, at 9s. a
(Laughter.) A Bill of great importance to
Scotland, week, of sixty-four thousand persons. When he
the Entail Bill—j Much laughter)—was fixed
for Wednesnay; and it
.showed those things, did he not prove, he would ask,
would be highly improper to lose
a day. If any Hon. Gentlemen that it was from the competition of foreigners, and nut
wished to go to the
Derby, let them do ao• from the competition of seven or eight silk mills at
and he hoped they would enjoy Msnchester, that the silk trade was suffering?—(Hear,
themselves.—_(Laughter.)
Lord J. RUSeiELL said, had he found hear.) The Noble Lord then took the average of the
that the Scotch
Members were anxious to discuss last ten years, from 1833 to 1843, as compared with the
day, he should have said the House
the Entail Bill next importation of the last two years, and showed that the
purpose; but he found that sever'aeloo7ht to meet for the distress in Spitalfields within the last two years, arising
tl be
he Scotch Mem- from the importation of foreign goods, was in excess;
bars were of opinion that there woui
a very thin and if the Right Hon. Gentleman, he continued, would
House, that the clerks at the table would panrodbahbly have take the trouble to look into this, he would find it to be
to sit some time without making a (gauss,
Was a chance of this important subject not re
that there so; he would find that the consumption of the various
due discussion.—(Hear, hear.) In this case, andivitnhgera kinds of silk, raw, thrown, and waste, was, in the two
e years 1846-7, less than the consumption of 1844-5, he
being a disposition to make the day a national fete,
saw no objection to the motion proposed. he (Lord George Bentinck) thought, by something like
Mr. S. CRAWFORD said the House ought not deli- 20,0001b5. He moved for returns which would show the
berately to do anything calculated to lower itself in the quantity of silk which had been consumed at home in
estimation of the country. He should therefore oppose the two years 1846 -7, as compared with 1844-5, and he
would find that there was a decrease in 1846.7, as com-
this motion. pared with 1844
Colonel SIBTHORP was understood to complain of -5 of 246,0001b5. of thrown silk,
99,0001 b silk, '
smuggled through on a Wed- s. raw and 143 5381bs of waste silk. 'rho
Bills being frequently Noble Lord then read 1 .. a letter from the rector of the
nesday. . parish of Bethnal- green (as we toaderst ood hi
Mr. F. MAULE said he had been unfortunate enough forth the distress . . t as), setting
now exisung among the weaving oor
to fix the Scotch Entail Bill fur Wednesday. It was a of the district, as ex d•
laiiill desirable it h d .exceeding anything of the kind that
very important measure, and it was ~ y a Lome under his notice d '
overuring the seven precedingn
should pass this session. If the House adjourned
the next day, he hoped the Noble Lord at thehead of described the population as becoming more destitute from
the Government would give Scotland half a day at an year to year, and as badly lodged, housed, clad, and fed,
early period, for the purpose of considering this men- and their wages continually reducing, That was the
sure.—(Hear, hear.) statement of the incumbent, who had resided there for
Mr. BRIGHT thought it desirable they should have seven years, and yet it hail been attempted to bo shown
a holiday sometimes, and had no objection to to-morrow; by figures that they were in a state of great prosperity.
but he thought it beneath the dignity of the (louse to And ho went on to state that these pour people would
make the excuse for that holiday the holding of a race not consent to break up their homes while they had a
within a few miles of London.—(Hear, hear.) If they chair and table left. Yet almost all of them had become
had a holiday for the Derby, why not for the Oaks?— paupers during the last winter. But it was with some
(Great laughter, and cries of e Move) There were consolation that he could turn from this miserable pic-
other important races in which some Honourable Mem- tare to a better state of things now. Ile believed that
hers might be more interested than in the business of things were looking up, and that the democratic disturb
this House. But with the pathetic appeals that had been ances abroad were giving a cheek to foreign menufac•
made by the Noble Lord at the head of the Government tures, the effect of which would be to bring grist to the
as to the state of the public business, he thought it mill of the poor Spitalfields' weaver. That was, how-
would
be very unbecoming in the House to adjourn over ever, only his own opinion, for others ascribed the
to-morrow, simply on account of a great race corning healthful excitement which had sprung up in Spitalfields
off, He had no doubt there would be a sutficieat number of late to other causes. In au article in a free-trade
of Members present to make a House. Ministers," that
paper, headed " The Queen and her
After a few words from Mr. OSWALD, the House healthful excitement was ascribed to the exertions
divided, when there appeared— arising from the direct influence of her Majesty, by
For the adjournment
Against
Majority .-.13

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 23.
The SintatEn took the Chair at Four o'clock.
THIRD READINGS.
The foßowing Bills were read a third time and
passed
Bristol Docks Transfer Bill.
Lanark and Hamilton Court House and County Rates
Bill.
Midland Railway (Alteration of the Line and Branches
near Wellingborough and approach to the Welling-
borough Station) Bill.
CHESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAILWAY BILL.
On the motion that the report of this Bill be con-
sidered,
Mr. GROGAN rose to oppose it on the ground that
it was contrary to the standing orders of the House, and
besides, would give a railway company the monopoly of
the steam-beat traffic, which could not fail to be at-
tended with great disadv_intages to the public. Ho
therefore begged leave to move that the report be read
this day ,ix months.
Mr. Ha.llE peconied the motion, and said he con-
sidered if the Bill were paisel that it would establish a
system which would be totally ruinous to all fair corn-
petition.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said he was Chairman of the
Committee upon the group of lines of which
the Cheater and Holyhead formed one, and that
the Committee were of opinion that it would be to the
public advantage and convenience that this company
should have tire power of applying a portion of its
capital to the purchase of steam-vessels to complete the
line of communication between Holyhead and Dublin.
The Government had always looked upon the railway
as a great national undertaking, the terminus of
which was not, in fact, Holyhead, but Dublin, and
the public advantages offered to them so great
that they had departed from the ordinary
rules and granted a sum of money to assist in carrying
it out. For himself he must say that great advantages
resulted from placing in the hands of railway companies
the power. to carry [heir passengers by steam-packets.
In the first place it prevented any chance of collision
between parties; and, in the next, the officers of the
company might be employed in connexion with the
ves s, to the convenience of persons proceeding by the
.railway.

LEICESTER ELECTION.
The Committee appointed to try the merits of this
election appeared at the bar and were sworn.
Mr. BROWN opposed granting the proposed powers
to the railway company.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said the question before the
House WV' Oho of unusual interest, both wish regard to
the way in which the private business of the House
should be transacted, and in connexion with the interests
of railway companies and the public, and havine, given
his special attention to the matter, he wished Co say a
few words to the House with respectl to the principle
laid down by the Right }lon. i4ru net (Sir R. Peel),
whether railway companies should have the power of
becoming steam-boat proprietors. He wished to state that
it had received the serious attention the Committee
t o whom such matters were usuallyrefuechred ; and subse-
vently, at the request of that body, y the Board of
Trade, whose opinions with respect u.theit was
Bill were so
thewas fully stated in Mr. Letevre's letter that
unneces-
sary for him to trouble the House with It must
be a matter of sincere gratification to all interested
in ale matter that the question hadsince
considered a Committee of which the R. beenl
Baronet was 'a Member. He (Mr. Labouel'ageriet)nr:
fessed that he had approached the consideration ofcih-e-
Bill wilh a strong impreisiou on his mind against allow-
ing railway companies to become steam-boat proprietors
—(Hear, hear)—dud, although his mind was altered in
that respect so for us this company was concerned,
he nevertheless considered that no such power should be
delegated to railway companies, except under special
circumstainces. This was the strongest case that could
be adduced in support of the principle contended
for in the Bill ; and unless the House was are-
wed to refuse such powers to railways in all cans,
they mutt accede to the reception of the report.
The whole purpose of the Chester and Holyhead
Comparry was the establishment of good communication
between Holyhead and Dublin; and therefore it had
greater interest than any other body in keeping that
ocentoonication in good condition. But the Bill
eontaiwed clauses restricting the fares to a certain
amount,, and continuing the powers for a limited time
only, and ate whole matter could, under the Bill, bo
9penid after a limited number of years, so that Par-
liament alight revise the fares and discuss the whole
question at isatte. He thought, therefore, that the cim-
tr4hotati be oapowered to invest money in steam-
Ite\to ply between Holyhead and Dublin.
lir. BERNAL would not enter into the principles
involved, but ho wished to point out that no special
Deport had emanated from that Committee of which
ittitht
caseßigh wa
Sight' Hran.Baronet was a member, to the effect that
exception to the ordinary rule, and that
it shotild be acceded to. It was a matter for extreme
'egret, and one for which
itself, that no really dsfa t.h e House should take shame to
rate rule had been laid down, ses•
tsion after session, for its guidanced. in these matters; so that
is this case the Committee
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know whether to look
to the report of the Wawa otri' kid() published in March,
or decide upon the matter on their own reapensibility.
Ile thought it to be his duty, esver he could, topoint
out oho evil is the House of the
ftiem at present in
.xisteace, and the clause that he ?;t:
to enable Parliament to revpirsoeptohseedd:ciassiona clause Ain] ply
of its Committee.
Sir B.
PEEL said that the grounds npiaotawnohticahrathile.
Committee ba'l acted were, that as there w
way, they were not called upon to insert the ci
one amid wish, or was more anxious than he was, No
that
the standing orders of the House should be strictly corn.
-plied with. It motet, thotet, however, be remembered com-
at the
House had limited its report.
from Sir Wr • HEATHCOTE,
.dered to withdraw, and the
ouse
appeared--
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