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London, England, 1848-06-02 00:00:00

immediately to 15, Regent-street, and upon my arrival
there I missed the notes upon putting my hand into my
pocket. At the extreme end 01 the omnibus I remember
there was a stout woman, who was a source of annoy-
ance to me on account of the close contact, and I sought
to relieve myself by endeavouring to get a little more
room. She sat on my right, at which side the notes
were. I know I had the notes in my pocket when I left
Masterman's, but between Nicholas-lane and Regent-
street I have no consciousness, one way or the other.
Immediately after I missed the notes I returned to the
City, and gave information at Masterman's, and after-
wards a reward of 501 was offered.
Mr. Ballantine—Can you tell whether you dropped
the notes or whether they were picked out of your
pocket? Mr. Blakemore—l remember when I was
getting into the omnibus I received assistance from two
men, one of whom put his arm round me to support me,
for I was lame. I did not miss the notes until I got to
15, Regent-street, where, as I had to transmit them
that night I searched for them in my pocket.
Mr. Jelin F. Sheriff, clerk to the Southwark Branch
of the London and Westminster Bank, said—The pri-
soner keeps an account at our bank. On the 25th of
May two Bank of England notes for 1,0001. each, Nos.
10,580 and 10,578, dated the Ist of May, but of what
year I do not know, were paid in by Mr. Simmonds to
his own account.
Mr. Edward Kingsford, manager of the Southwark
_
Branch of the London and Westminster Bank, said.-1
recollect two notes which are:the subject of this
Binaquiroy...
They were not paid when presented at thenk f
the
England, and they were returned to Mr. Child,
_,s
attorney to Mr. Simmonds, in Mr. Simmonsdis
Simmonds
pre-
sence. I had sent notices to Mr-
and he came with Mr. Child on Friday and waswciiiich.
that the bank notes had not been paid at them Bank,uite
ready to take the notes, and to settle the account,
would have been
if the notes had not been taken up,
overdrawn.h e
paid
th
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set, a
te his
m
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betting transaction at Epsom,
notes. He said it was a
the manner in which he had become possessed of the
wnkerhea
and he had taken them in payment of a bet from a. party
who was in a very respectable carriage. I think he
said the bet was 2to 1 upon Surplice, the favourite,H and
that it was a straightforward, fair transaction. He said
be did not know who the party was, but that he was
He mentioned one or two names, but I do not re-
accompanied by seven or eight very respectable gentle-
men.
collect what they were.
John Forrester said, I took the prisoner into custody
this morning.
I asked him if he could account for the
two notes which he had paid into his bankers'.
He i s
must apply to Messrs. Wire and Child, the
tts it:id 0001.
solicitors, and they could explain all about it. I said to
him, perhaps you had better come with me to Messrs.
Wire and Child's. He said, " I have an engagement
particularly to-day, but I'll give you a note to them."
He then said, " Do you mean to say you are going to
take me into custody?"
The prisoner (to Forrester)—your brother said
something about taking me into custody before I said
that.
John Forrester—l recollect that my brother did say
something of the kind. I then told him that he was in
custody, and that he must explain the matter before the
Lord Mayor.
Mr. Mullen* said he was not prepared with more evi-
dence at the present moment, and requested that the
Lord Mayor would remand the prisoner for a few days
when the case could be mere particularly gone into.
hfr. Ballantine—What further do you expect to
prove ? Mr. Mullens—l shall be able to prove that the
prisoner, at a different time and place, gave a different
account of the manner in which he became possessed of
these notes.
Mr. Ballantine called the attention of the Lord Mayor
to one or two leading features of the case. The de-
fendant was a licensed victualler in very extensive
business, and it. was not, as was well known, unusual
for persons so situated in trade to mix themselves
up in sporting transactions of which sweeps and
other affairs of betting formed," portion. It was a na-
tural consequence of the "sweep" system—of which it
was unnecessary for him at the present time to express
any opinion—that the race-course itself should be visited.
The defendant had, impelled by the feeling so generally
demonstrated, gone to Epsom, where, upon winning, he
was paid the amount of his wager. The course he pur-
sued afterwards was such as was calculated to show that
suspicion ought not to attach to him, for he paid the
notes into a banking. house of respectability, and when
payment was refused at the Bank of England he at once
referred those who questioned the legality of the pos-
session to the respectable solicitors employed by the
general body of the trade. Under such circumstances,
the Learned Counsel hoped the Lord Mayor would accept
bail for the appearance of his client.
Mr. Mullens said, he had no doubt as to the ability
of Mr. Simmonds to produce good bail, and left the
question of admitting to bail entirely to the decision of
the Lord Mayor, without offering any objection,
The LORD MAYoR said, he did not by any means con-
sider himself warraited, under such circumstances, in
accepting bail.—The prisoner was then remanded.
GUILDHALL.
A respectably-dressed gentlemanly individual, named
John Ballard Lloyd, was brought up on a warrant,
before Aldermen Johnson and Challis on the charge of
sending threatening letters, and by means of menaces
trying to obtain from a Mr. Fox the sum of 201.
Mr. John Fox, solicitor, of 51, Old Broad-street, said
that he was the legal adviser of Mr. Josiah Wilson, of
Stamford-hill, who was the executor of Mr. Collins, his
father-in-law. In the year 1843, the prisoner called at
his office in Basinghall-street, and said, that ou apply-
ing to the trustees of his grandfather's will, respecting
seine reversionary interest to which he was entitled, he
had been given to understand that the said interest had
been assigned to Mr. Collins. He declared that if such
was the case it was a forgery, as he (the prisoner) had
never signed his name to any such document. He (Mr.
Fox) took the trouble to look over some papers, when he
found the assignment, and became convinced the priso-
ner had executed the deed, and received the purchase
money. The assignment bore the date of 1829, exactly
14 years before he knew or heard anything of the pri-
soner; but that person, on being shown the document,
persisted that it was a forgery. Seeing how the matter
stood, and fearing Mr. Wilson would get in the Court of
Chancery, he advised that gentleman to give Mr. Lloyd
1001 if he would execute another deed of assignment
confirming the first. He agreed to do so, but witness
insisted that he should employ his own solicitor, Mr.
Silvester of Furnival's Inn, in the matter. That gen-
tleman drew the deed of confirmation, and attested it,
upon which the 1001. was at once paid to the prisoner.
It was executed on the 29th of August, 1843. Up to the
present period letters had often been received, charging
him and his then partner, Mr. Brittain, with being the
abettors of forgeries. In the year 1844 a letter was re-
ceived by his partner, stating that he had never received
Mora than 1501., whereas he had received altogether
.450 L, for the reversionary interest in 1,200/. He
pressed the charge under the 7tis and Bth of George IV,
chap. 39, sect. 8; but if the Aldermen thought the evi-
dence not sufficient under that Act of Parliament he
should then ask that he be required to find good bail to
keep the peace for the future.
The letter complained of, dated May 26, 1848, was
here read, in which the writer, who must have been very
excited at the time, described the deplorable condition
of himself and family, in consequence of not having
anything to do, although a well-educated man, accusing
the complainant as being partly the cause of it, and
begging that he might have 201, so as to set him up in
the world. He would, to save his family, take the most
menial situation even in Mr. Fox's office, and be thankful
for it; and the letter concluded by saying that he was
in such a state of mind that perhaps he should do some-
thing it would be too late for Mr. Fox to repent having
driven him to.
Alderman JOHNSON asked the prisoner what he bad
to say for himself.
Mr. Lloyd here read a statement in defence of his
conduct is a most feeling and gentlemanly manner, and
when he alluded to his wife and children his eyes were
filled with tears. It stated that he was the son of a
gentleman and the grandson of a magistrate. At
the decease of his mother he was to be en-
titled to the reversionary interest of 1,2001., of which
he had been plundered by a forgery, as he never signed
such a document as the one alluded to. Falling into
difficulties, and requiring a little money, he applied to
his guardian, and it was with the utmost astonishment
he was told by that person that it had been disposed of
to a Mr. Collins. He called upon Mr. Fox, and having
seen the deed at once declared his signature to be a for-
gery. However, an offer was made of a hundred pounds
if he would signs second document confirming the first,
which he at last consented to do, as he could not bear to
but a part of them
see his wife and children starving. He was paid in bills,
(as our reporter understood), had not
been taken up, and he was now in the utmost distress.
He could not help saying that if he had not a legal right
to more money, no one could doubt that he had a moral
one. With respect to Mr. Fox, he could assure that
gentle
man tahsa
he
e had n
nothe:eedo fear theintention
slightestof
injuring
any
violence
one.at
All he was most anxious for was, to either obtain any
kind of a situation or get it little money, oney
t fhrarthedoc starvation.
set up in some small way of business, an"dhatthubse hemigehh.t
en-
abled to preserve his family
Alderman JOHNSON said,
no
nettemeonfts produced
peace
was
presetrheT, but
bevheav,i and
being legal ones they could tak•
it was their duty to see that
therefore he must find good bail for his future
Mr. Lloyd—l cannot find bail ; but I pledge you my
word and honour that I will not injure a mortal ye
breathing.
Alderman JoixsoN —I will do this. I will take your
word as you have pledged it, and hope that your feelings,
which for a person of your education must be most acute,
will have softened down in a few days, and produced a
calmer state of mind. In the meantime the warrant will

be suspended for one month.
Mr. Lloyd said, that he was exceedingly obliged to the
worthy Aldermen for their kind consideration.
Alderman JOTINION said, that if he could be of any
service to Mr. Lloyd in any way he should be glad to
do it.

Mr. Lloyd said, if bo could even get a porter's situa-
tion of 14s. or 15s. per week, he should feel proud and
happy to take it, and he would da his duty with the
utmost diligence.
Alderman JouxsoN said, that not being in business
he could not give him one of any kind ; if he had been
Mr. Lloyd should at once have had it. However, if he
could be of service to him in the shape of doing any-
thing for the benefit of himself and family, he
man Johnson) would do all in his power to forward ids
views.

It was stated that they were living in a very small
back room, with scarcely any furniture; but the wife,
and children, and, in fact, everything, as neat and 'lean
as possible.
Mr. Lloyd thanked the Alderman-for his kind (minea.
tuns and offers of assistance, and then withdrew.
LAMBETH.
Elisabeth Elliott and Charles Phillips, a Jew j

monger in the London-road, were placed at the bar for
final examination, the former on a charge of stealing
from the person of Mr. Bezer a valuable gold watch, and
the latter with offering to ci Dmpromise the felony by
restoring the watch.
In this case it appeared tha t on the night of Wednes-
day week the female prisoner addressed the prosecutor
near the Elephant and Castle, and pressed him to ac-
company her home. This he refused, upon which the
prisoner threw her arms round him in a familiar man-
ner, but being repulsed she abruptly left him and
walked hurriedly away. This last act excited the
prosecutor's suspicion, and on examining his pocket
he discovered that his guard was cut and his gold watch
stolen. He followed and attempted to secure her, but
one of her confederates caught him from behind and
held him a sufficient time to enable the prisoner to get
of She was taken soon after, having in the interim
changed a light shawl and bonnet which she had on
when committing the robbery, for a dark shawl and bon-
net. After her remand on the charge, a person not in
custody, entered into i negotiation with the prosecutor
for the restoration of the watch, provided he did not
prosecute, and by advice his overtures were encouraged.
On Saturday morning the
.prosecutor attended at the
Flying Horse public-house in the Walworth-road, and
while there the prisoner Phillips entered the parlour,
and asked if he was willing to compromise the affair
provided he got his property back? The prosecutor
said he should be glad to see his watch, upon which
Phillips left the parlour for a few minutes, and returned
with the watch. The prosecutor having secured the
watch, sent for a constable who was in attendance, upon
which the parties rushed out of the house, but Phillips
was secured.
Both prisoners were fully committed for trial.

RAILWAY COMMITTEES.
(YESTERDAY.)
GROUP No. 4.—BinstrNaukx AND OXFORD.—The
clauses of the Broad Gauge Bill were considered, and the
Bill ordered to be reported.
BIRMINGHAM AND OXFORD.—The object of this Bill
is to enable the above company to make a deviation line
from Leamington to Warwick. Case opened, and evi-
dence taken in its favour.

GROUP No. 6.— NEWPORT ♦ND PONTTPOOL.—The
case for this Bill was further considered, and adjourned.
GROUP No. 7.---ROTITON AND HITCHIN.—The Bill
to authorise this company to extend their line to Cam-
bridge was further considered.

GROUP No. S.—LONDON AND SOUTH-WESTERN.—
The Exeter and Crediton and Taw Vale Purchase Bill
of this company was again considered and adjourned.
GROUP No. 10.— DUNDEE AND PERIM—This Bill
is to enable the above company to lease the Dundee and
Arbroath line. Case opened.
GROUP No. 13.—CALEDONIAN.—The Committee
were engaged the entire day in considering the
clauses of the company's Bill for purchasing or
leasing the. Wishaw and Coltness Railway, but in the
end the parties determined to withdraw the Bill rather
than allow some running clauses to be introduced.
GROUP No. 14.—The following Bills were recom-
mitted for the purpose of inserting. a clause relative to
the raising and disposal of the capital to be subscribed
under the provisions of the several Bills: •
Leeds and Thirsk Railway (Harrogate and Pateley
Branch). .
Bristol and Exeter Railway (Branch from Bleadon to
Wells, Glastonbury, and Street).
London and Blackwell Railway Improvemeat, and
Branches to St. Katharine's and London Docks.
Great Northern Railway (Isle of Azholme Extension).
Bristol and Exeter. Railway (Taunton and Castle Cary
Branch).
Strathtay and Breadalbane Extension Railway. ,

ELECTION COMMITTEE.
(YESTERDAY.)
DUBLIN.
Mr. Sergeant KIITGLAtE apologised for his absence
yesterday, and renewed the application to have the
poll-books cast up in the presence of the Committee.
The Committee granted the application.
Mr. Martin Crean was then called to prove that he
was agent of the Liberal Registration Society in
Dublin, and that after the last election he had access to
the polling-books; when he found, on casting them,
that several of them gave a false reckoning in favour of
Gregory and Grogan.

After some clis.Cussion upon the point the scrutiny
was proceeded with, and evidence was put in to show
that several of the voters who polled for Mr. Reynolds
were defaulters in the payment of a borough rate,
which disqualified them from exercising their franchise.

DERBYSHIRE. STAFFORDSHIRE,
AND WORCESTERSHIRE JUNCTION RAIL-
WAY COMPANY.

The general half-yearly meeting of this company was
held yesterday at 'their offices, at one o'clock; R. G.
Alston, Esq., in the chair.
The CHAIRMAN stated the first business of the meet-
ing was to ascertain the correctness of the list of the
shareholders. Since the meeting in December, the
directors had felt it a duty to examine this list
with the utmost care, and the result had
been the constitution of an entirely new list.
There were only four names on which any question
could be raised. These were gentlemen who had for-
merly acted as directors of the company, but who had
been registered on shares which were the property of
the company. The parties alluded to were Mr. D. T.
Johnson, Mr. Henry Johnson, Mr. William King, and
the Baron de Dopff.
The SECRETARY then read the report, which stated
that the register contained all the original names, except
these four which be had left out, in consequence of their
not having paid anythinc, upon the shares which they
were represented to hay:held.
After a long discussion, it was decided that the names
should be omitted.
The seal of the company was then formally attached
to the list of shareholders.
The SECRETARY then read the report of the directors,
the substance of which was as follows:—The claims upon
the company will be liquidated by the directors as
speedily as the payment of the calls will allow. The
bills of the solicitors are now under taxation, and the
claims of many individuals who have never been em-
ployed by the company will in all probability be disal-
lowed. The call of 11. per share made in July last was
paid upon 3,431 shares, and unpaid upon 8,025 ; but there
having been no sealed register legal difficulty was appre-
hended in recovering the amounts. That difficulty has
been removed by the recent valid call, upon which 2151
only has been paid, but the directors havegiven instructions
to proceed against every defaulter. Steps have also been
taken to recover the three cheques for 4201 from Mr.
D. T. Johnson, Mr. William King, and Mr. E. J. Spiers.
The Railway Commissioners have granted an extension
of two years for the completion of the railway,
and also for the compulsory purchase of lands
from the fixed periods of five and three years.
The balance-sheet up to May 15 stated the receipts daring
the year to be 1,0001 Bs. ld., and the total of payments
6591. 9s. Bd.; leaving a balance in hand of 781 1 ls. sd.
The assets arising from amounts due on calls, share
property, and other sources are 8,391/. 91., the claims
upon the company amount to 3,4351. I3s. lid.
The CHAIRMAN moved that the report be adopted.
Mr. LZDGER, after a high eulogy on the character of
Mr. Spiers, said that that gentleman was quite ready to
leave the question of remuneration to himself to any
disinterested parties, and that he was ready to give up
his cheque on being freed from further liability. He
had, indeed, in the first instance altogether resisted the
issue of the cheques at all.
After some further conversation the report was
adopted.
Thanks were then voted to the Chairman, and the
meeting separated.

BATHS AND WASHHOUSES FOR
THE LABOURING CLASSES.
Yesterday a public festival was held at the London
Tavern, in aid of the subscription for completing the
model establishment in Goulston-square, Whitechapel,
and of extending the advantages of such institutions.
The chair was taken by Lord Ashley, M.P., and about a
hundred gentlemen sat down to dinner. Amongst the
noblemen and gentlemen at the cross table we observed
Lord Ebrington, M.P., the Hon. and Rev. Sydney Go-
dolphin Osborne, Rev. H. Dukinfield, Robert Hanbury,
Esq., Edwin Chadwick, Esq., C. 8., Dr. Forbes, Rev. W.
H. Hoare, W. Hawes, Esq., &c. The cloth having been
removed,
The CHAIRMAN proposed the health of the Queen,
which was received with the usual loyal demonstrations.
The various other loyal toasts followed in quick succes-
sion, and elicited similar marks of boisterous approval.
The CHAIRMAN then came to the toast of the evening,
" Success to the model establishment of Baths andWash-
houses in Goulston-square, Whitechapel," and entered at
length on the various advantages which such institutions
were calculated to confer on the working classes. He
made a forcible appeal to the wealthy classes in favour
of the scheme, which he said would not only effect an
amelioration of physical suffering, but also of vice and
immorality.—(Cheers.) The toast was then drunk with
great applause.
Lord ESRINCITON proposed, The Labounng Classes
of the Metropolis," a toast which was received with sig-
nal marks of approval, and was spoken to in feeling
and eloquent terms by the Hon. and Rev. Sydney G.
Osborne.
JOHN BULLER, Esq., the Hon. Secretary, who has de-
voted much valuable time to the success of the institu-
tion, then read the list of donations and subscriptions for
the evening, which amounted to 4,4001., besides loans
amounting to 3,0504 to be ultimately repaid out of the
eventual surplus arising from the baths and wasbhouses,
theto have
history amooufn amounted
rt
iot a
b71,4e50c/0.,n t
ria
so that in point of fact the donations may be said
monsu.npTarhaelleelendtirine
busuti
I amount required by the society to complete their
original design, is 10,5001. Su it will be seen that only
3,0501. remains to be collected. Amongst the munifi-
cent donors were announced the names of her Majesty
the Queen and Prince Albert, 1004 ; the Queen
Dowager, 1001. ; the Bishop of London, 100/. ; W. Cot-
ton, Esq.. 2001. —(Cheers)—the Duchess of Gloucester,
50/. ; the Earl of Ellesmere, 1001. ; Messrs. Truman
and Hanbury, 100/. ; Messrs. Gurney and Overend,
1001. ; John Abel Smith, Esq., M.P., 1001. ; Bar-
clay, Bevan, and Co., 50 guineas ; the Corporation of
the City of London, 100/. ; the Archbishop of Canter-
bury, 5/. ; the Marquis of Westminster, 501.; the Mar-
quis
liobert Grosvenor, 10 guineas ; Mr. Sheriff Cubitt, 5
guineas.
Mr. CorroN proposed. " The Health of the Chair-
man," who returned thanks.
Mr. E. CHADWICK proposed " Prosperity to the Trade
and Commerce of the City of London."
Several other toasts were given and responded to, and
the company separated
greatly, delighte4.ol ihg e4ornaus,
SUCCM Of WO DaStillitiOU. 1,1.1.00Jaz

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 1.
The &TAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
REPORTS.
The following reports were considered and agreed to:—
Midland Great Western Railway of Ireland (Devia-
tion Line from Mullingar to Athlone) Bill.
North and South-Western Railway (Harrow to Brent-
ford) Bill.
Scottish Midland Junction Railway (Amendment and
Branches to Birnam, &c.) Bill.
York, Newcastle, and Berwick Railway (Deviation and
Abandonment of part of the Thirsk and Mahon
Branch) Bill.
THIRD READINGS.
The following Bills were read a third time, and
pused:—
Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway (No. I—Amendment
of Acts and Branches, &c.)
Forth and Clyde Navigation and Airdrie and Coatbridge
Water Bill.
Great Western Railway (Extension of the Berks and
Hants Railway from Hungerford to Westbury, with a
Branch to Devises).
Norfolk Railway (Amendment of Acts and Extension of
Time for commencing Reedham and Diss Branches).
North-Western Railway (Diversions at Skipton, Caster-
ton, and Sedbergh).
REPEAL OF THE UNION—AN IRISH PAR-
The Lord Mayor onoLafdf :DpAtdbruMeepbsrleEaci
presented
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the Irish Parliament. The petition, which was very
voluminous, was read by the Clerk at the table. It was
ordered to lie on the table.
NAVIGATION-LAWS.
Mr. FREWEN presented a petition against the Bill
proposed by her Majesty's Government for altering these
laws.
Mr. FAGAN presented a similar petition from Cork.
Mr. COBBOLD presented a petition to the same
effect.
SPIRITUOUS LIQUORS.
Mr. FOX presented a petition from Oldham, praying
the House to restrict the sale of intoxicating liquors on
the Sabbath.
PUBLIC EXPENDITURE.
Sir G. STRICKLAND presented fifty petitions from
Preston praying for a reduction of the public expenditure.
THE FRANCHISE.
Mr. HUME said he had a petition to present from
Mr. Robinson (as we understood), a clerk in the Signet-
office in Scotland, stating, up to the recent revolution in
France, he was a strong Conservative—(Laughter)—
but that he was now a Radical Reformer, and that there
would be no peace in the country until there was an
extension of the suffrage, annual Parliaments, and a
more equitable distribution of the electoral districts.
LEICESTER ELECTION.
Mr. KER SEYMER reported that the Com-
mittee had arrived at the opinion that Sir Joshua
Walmsley and Mr. Richard Gardner were not duly
elected to represent the borough in Parliament at the
last election, and that both had by their agents been
guilty of bribery; that several of the electors had been
bribed by small sums of money, one with 11. 2s. 6d., the
" gift of a new hat"—(Laughter)—and that the system
of bribery was such as to require the serious attention
of the House.—(Cheers.)
The report was ordered to be printed.
Mr. W. MILES presented petitions from Somerset.
shire, complaining of the increase of vagrancy, and
praying for an alteration of the law
NAVIGATION-LAWS.
Mr. LABOUCHERE presented a petition from the
merchants and bankers of Liverpool praying for a re-
peal of the navigation-laws.
BAKERS.
Lord R. GROSVENOR gave notice of his intention,
at some early day, zo bring in a Bill to prohibit the
working of bake-houses at certain hours of the night.
DEFALCATIONS IN CALCUTTA.
Viscount JOCELYN, seeing the Right Hon. Baronet
the President of the Board of Control in his place,
wished to know whether it was true as reported, that
there was a deficiency to. the extent of 100,0001. in the
accounts of Sir Thomas 'futon, the Ecclesiastical Regis-
trar of the Supreme Court of Calcutta; and, if so, how it
was intended to make up the deficiency ; and whether
the Indian Government were engaged in concerting mea-
sures by which such delinquencies would in future be
prevented?
Sir J. HOBHOUSE said it was with extreme sorrow
he had to state that the report of the defalcation of the
Ecclesiastical Registrar of the Supreme Court of Calcutta
was too true. From the information be had received
he could not say that the sum was so large as that men-
tioned by the Noble Lord, but still it was a very large
sum indeed. The sureties accepted on Sir Thomas
Turton taking the dice were only for /0,0004; and
even supposing that this sum were recovered, it would
go but a very little way indeed towards making good the
deficiency. With respect to the second question, as to
who would bear the loss, he was sorry he could not give
the Noble Lord any satisfactory answer. The East India
Company insist that the loss ought to be charged upon
the revenue, but no doubt his Right Hon. Friend would
protest against that course being pursued. With respect to
the third sjiestion, as to whether some scheme was being
concocted to prevent such delinquencies in future, he
had to inform the Noble Lord that, on the first receipt
of the intelligence from India, he thought it his duty
to consult the law officers of the Crown with respect
to the punishment of this individual party—as to
whether it would be advisable to indict Sir
Thomas Turton but the opinion given by the
law officers was not favourable to that course, and be
had thought it right to inform the Governor-General of
India of that opinion, The Government in India, how-
ever, were now preparing an Act by which it would be
their endeavour to prevent, by all possible means, a re-
currence of such delinquencies.
THE %VEST INDIES.
Mr. BERKELEY wished to ask the Hon. Member for
Montrose ',question respecting his resolutions on the
state of the West Indies. He observed that the Hon.
Member had postponed the discussion upon the resolu-
tionsr till the 42d of June, and he wished to ask him under
what circumstances it was that Government would not
consent to
aneerliesehde dtberesolutions,
they day to ask,
also,
whether,
wetheorti, supposing the House? H
one wished
would be productive of, good, when, on the sth of
June, the Is. 6d. preferential duty would tall in?
Mr..HUME said he had only two days to choose
al
from, and-he had fixed upon the 22d of June as being
the best adapted to the discussion. At the time, how-
ever, that he named that day, he was not aware of the
preferential duty expiring so shortly afterwards, and if
the Noble Lord at the head of the Government would
agree to it, he should have no objection to bring on the
discussion this day week.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he would reply to the Hon.
Member's question to-morrow.
Mr. GOULBURN wished to ask the Noble Lord at the
head of the Government whether he was prepared to
bring forward any measure upon this subject?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL replied that immediately
after the recess he or one of his Right Hon. Friends
would state the course Government were prepared to
take on the subject.
ENCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL.
In answer to a question from Mr. KEOGH,
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL stated that the Bill
was ready for committal, and it would be brought on on
the first opportunity.
LAW OF MARRIAGE.
Mr. SLANEY wished to ask the Hon. Member for
Renfrewshire, seeing hire in his place, when the report
of the Commission on the Law of Marriage would be
laid on the table?
Mr. S. VVORTLEY said, as most of the Members on
that Commission had important avocations independent
of the Commission, there had been some difficulty in
getting meetings as frequently as was desirable, but he
was happy to say that the Commissioners had come to
the determination to report separately on the questions
of marriage and the degrees of affinity, and that the
reports on these subjects had been prepared and were
only waiting to be engrossed. As soon as they were
ready they would be presented to her Majesty, and it
would rest with the Government to lay them upon the
table of the House.
IMPORTANT NOTICE OF MOTION.
OATHS OF MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT, AND
PAYMENT OF ASSESSED TAXES.
Lord JOIN RUSSELL—I beg to give notice that,
on Monday next, I shall ask leave of the House to bring
in) a Bill, to alter thikform of oaths taken by Members
of Parliament on taking their seats in Parliament; and
also, that on Friday next I shall move for leave to intro-
duce -a Bill"tei 'repeal so much of the existing law as
d in cities and boroughs.—(Loud
cries of " Hear, hear," and cheers.)
tinaorsxeciatnt necessary
rs es ga irsyt e tore pay
the assessed taxes before elec-
Mr. COLVILE rose to move that Mr. Speaker do
issue his warrant to the Clerk of the Crown to make
to
H OF DERBY.
P4nliaraset for the borough of Derby, in
Hon. Edward Strutt and the Hon.
the room of the Right •
Gower, whose election has
Edward Frederick Levesen
out a new writßfoOrßtOhereGlecting of two burgesses serve
in, this present
been determined to.,be void.
Mr. STAFFORD seconded the motion. He said he
• •
should like to know bow many
the petition had read
who were prepared to vote againstb
some 2,000, out of
of the Hon. Members
y
the petition from
_Derby .signed
the 45;000 inhabitants of the town. Writs had issued
to other places with the
;setae
amount of population as
and a similar charge
Derby, the same conststuency,
brought against them. Bribery was us th effected:
vote which he A offered B a bill for his
ac-
cepted, and petitioned
against the return. and
it was not unlikely that the whole would be dis-
franchised in consequence of the act of one in-
dividual, and that he thought was
not a sufficient
reasois for the disfranchisement of the innocent.
his writ he would take care that
issuing
should should not be the last time the question of its
If the House withheld t
should be brought forward, for he would timeafte after time
rs
and day by day test by divisions who were the Members
who would withhold from their fellow-men the right r
of
representation.—(Hear, hear.)
parties that had been verse was
of this writ were acting unjustly. The very re .
the case. His only object was to ascertain,for
who were the
Mr. HUME denied that those who refused the issuing
the benefit of the community at largo,
he understood the rule laid down by
the
issuedse
it was, that the writs should sot be
been to any of the boroughs which !)
d r that it
re-
ported as guilty of corrupt practices, in order
guilty of unjust practricelijouas
should be proved whether they had been guilty or not.
• before the House
He should certainly take the sense of the House against
the issuing of the writ.
Sir G. GREY said that the question
was, whether the circumstances that appeared uP" they

evidence before the House were sufficient to justify
what he thought the issuing of this writ, at this time,
would amount to—namely, the indefinite suspension of
the writ altogether.—(llear.) In his opinion, the case of
Derby was very different to that of Yarmouth.—(Hear.)
He admitted that an inquiry, and a most searching one
too, ought to be instituted into all these cases ofcor-
ruption, but at the time he Toted for the postponement
of the writ, he did not anticipate that issuing the
writ would be delayed for an indefinite period,
namely, until the Bill of the Hon. Member for the
Flint boroughs had passed. There did not appear to him
to be any prospect of that Bill passing in the present
session; and looking at the fact that there were 1,800
uncorrupted 101. householders in this borough, he really
thought the issuing of the writ ought no longer to be
delayed.
Mr. RICE wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet
whether, supposing the writ were issued, he would still
consent to the state of the borough being inquired into?
Sir G. GREY said he had not the slightest objec-
tion to the inquiry, and although they consented to the
issuing of the writ, Derby might still be included in the
schedule of the Bill.

The Earl of LINCOLN said it would be perfectly
easy to retain Derby in the schedule, but what could
possibly be the use of the inquiry after the writ was
issued. The Committee had reported to them that gross
corruption had prevailed not only at the last but at pre-
vious elections for the borough, and he certainly
could not see how they could now issue this
writ with any degree of consistency. The Right
lion. Baronet said the writ ought not to be delayed
till the Bill passed, because there was every prospect of
the Bill not being got through this session. Let them
issue this writ, and he was quite sure it would not,
for no destinction could bo drawn between
Derby and Yarmouth, and if they issued one writ, they
must issue the whole of them. If that ultimately turned
out to be the case, it would have been much better had
they never stopped the writ, for the public would then
conclude that the House had been insincere in all the
protestations it had made upon the subject.—(Hear.)
Sir J. HANMER felt convinced, after what had
fallen from the Right Hon. Baronet, that if they issued
this writ he should experience great difficulty in pre-
vailing upon the House to bring forward his Bill.
He earnestly entreated the Hon. Member for Lambeth
not to persevere with his amendment, but to make it a
substantive motion on another occasion. That day was
altogether an unfortunate one for the House to come to
a resolution to issue a writ for the borough of Derby,
which undoubtedly every person would acknow-
ledge was a great and important town. They
ought to teach all those great and important
places that a greater responsibility rested upon them in
consequence of their importance to prevent and put
down corruption at elections, and that if they were found
guilty of corruption they were not to be treated more
leniently than other places. He did not see bow he could,
consistently with all his declarations in that House, con-
sent to the issuing of this writ, and therefore, as far as
regarded the diverse course taken by Honourable
Members with respect to the issuing of writs for places
where Members had been unseated for bribery, he held
himself altogether guiltless, because be had objected to
the issuing of every one of them. He held in
his hand a petition which had been printed in the
votes for an extension of the franchise, and the preven-
tion of bribery at elections, and he trusted Honourable
Members would give it their serious consideration.
If Hon. Members thought that the spreading opinions
as regarded the prevention of corruption were only enter-
tained by Chartists, and men of extreme political
views, he could assure them they were very much
mistaken.—(Hear, hear.) He had introduced a Bill into
the House with the view of putting an end to bribery,
and if it were fairly met by Hon. Members, it would
soon be in a state to go forward to the other House. He
did not wish to detain the House any longer, and would
merely conclude by expressing his decided opinion
against the issuing of the writ.
Mr. GOULBURN said, if they refused the writ on
the grounds stated, that they would soon have many of
the large towns of the country unrepresented. He had
as great a horror of bribery and corruption as any man;
but he considered that the bribery complained of
could be as well inquired into after a new election as
during the suspension of the writ, and considering that
no good would arise from the refusal to issue the writ, he
should support the motion. But if the House was inclined
to refuse to issue the writ, he thought they should insti-
tute an immediate inquiry. However, he could not be a
party to suspending writs for an indefinite period, and
for au undefined purpose.
Mr. MUNTZ said he was not easily astonished, but he
really was astonished at the speech of the Right Hon.
Baronet Sir G. Grey, for from it it appeared that the
Government intended t• throw their shield over such
proceedings as those that took place at Derby.
He could tell them that such a reform as this would not
be received by the people. He was ready to suspend
the writ for a definite purpose, but recollecting that
those who were bribed were freemen, and that
it would be a difficult matter to draw the line
of demarcation, he considered that the borough
ought to be punished, and should there-
fore, oppose the motion. The House should bear
in mind that there was a growing feeling out of doors
that the majority of the seats in that House were pur-
chased.
Colonel SIBTHORP supported the issuing of the writ.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
House dividectWhen there appeared—
For issuing the writ 136
Against it
Majority against issuing the writ —l7
The issuing of the writ was consequently postponed.
The announcement of this result was received with
loud cheers.

SPANISH AFFAIRS.
In answer to a series of questions from Mr. BAILLIE
which were not heard in the gallery owing to the con-
:usion caused by Members leaving the House),
Viscount PALMERSTON said—l have to state in
,he first place, that the Spanish Minister, Lauri* some
ime ago, announced to me the arrival of Count do
Mirasol in London, for the purpose of giving explana-
tions and statements with regard to recent transactions
at Madrid. My reply ,to that was, that whatever com-
munications the Government of Spain wished to make
upon those matters to her Majesty's Government, I
should be quite ready to receive from the official and
accredited organ of the Queen of Spain in this country
—(Hear)—but that I thought it my duty to decline
entering into any communications with the Count de
Mirasol.—(Hear, hear.) I also stated that considering
the nature and character of the events to which these
communications were to relate, I thought it desirable,
at all events, in the first place, that those communica-
tions should be made in writing. I have received
sume communications from the Spanish Minister; upon
those subjects I am in communication with him at the
present moment; but I do not feel it my duty at present
to state anything upon those matters to the House.
Whenever those communications are brought to a close,
probably I may feel it my duty to lay the correspondence
on the table of the House; but of course it is not for me
to say on what day, or at what time, that will be.
Mr. BANKES wished to ask the Noble Lord whether
he would next day move that the House should go into
Committee of Supply, in order to give him (Mr. Bankes)
the opportunity of bringing on his motion on the Spanish
cinestion?
Lord J. RUSSELL said, if the resolutions on the
navigation-laws were agreed to and reported that night,
and the Bill founded thereon brought in, he should pro-
pose to go into Committee of Supply the next day; if
not, he should propose to go into Committee next
day, with a view of considering these resolutions, and
in that case, should take the Committee of Supply on
Monday.
COPPER DUTIES.
Mr. WYLD inquired if it was true that ships laden
with foreign copper, which had recently arrived, had
been allowed to discharge their cargoes on payment of
the Is. duty proposed by the Bill now passing through
the House.
Mr. LABOUCTIERE said it would prevent much in-
convenience if notice was always given of questions of
this nature. He had no knowledge of the matter beyond
the general practice which had always obtained in all
cases of remission of duty—namely, that as soon as the
House had affirmed the resolution for a remission of any
duty, parties were allowed to enter their goods at the
lower rate, giving a bond for the payment of the dif-
ference, should the House not finally sanction the reduc-
tion. He had no reason to believe that a different course
had been pursued with regard to copper.
Mr. WYLD said he must complain of this course.—
(Order, order.) He would move the adjournment of the
tiouse to be in order. He suspected, from the unusually
large importations of foreign copper which had recently
been made, that the parties must have received some
intimation of what the Government were about to do;
whereby a serious loss had been entailed on the copper
miners of this country.

- WEST INDIA COLONIES.
In answer to Mr. HUME,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that on the 15th or 16th
of the present month some member of the Government
would be prepared to state the course which was meant
to be pursued with regard to the West India colonies.
NAVIGATION-LAWS—ADJOURNED DEBATE.
Mr. J. WILSON craved the indulgence of the House
in reference to some observations which he had made on
Monday. On that occasion he had referred to a letter
from Rio Janeiro, stating that several British ships were
lying there unable to obtain cargoes, and to a corrobo-
rative statement which had been subsequently posted at
Lloyd's, The Hon. Gentleman opposite, the chairman
of Lloyd's (Mr. G. Robinson), had said that was alto-
gether untrue.

Mr. G. ROBINSON—I said that it was Absolutely
untrue.

Mr. WILSON wished to afford the Honourable Gen-
tleman the opportunity of stating whether his words re•
(erred to the
.fact of such a document having been
posted at Lloyd's, as the House apparently un-
derstood him, or whether he referred to the fact of the
vessels lying unemployed at Rio Janeiro. From several
letters which he (Mr. Wilson) had since re-
ceived, some from members at Lloyd's, he found it was
matter of perfect notoriety to the secretaries and officials
of that establishment, and to halt a dozen leading houses
in London, that such a notice had been posted; for they
had read it t .sere. The gentleman who had originally
supplied him with the information from Rio Janeiro was
a supporter of the navigation-laws, but he was desirous
that a fact like that should be known. In consequence
of the denial of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. G. Robinson)
his informant had written to him again, repeating the
statement, and referring to the secretaries and officials
of Lloyd's. The words in the original letter from Rio
Janeiro were exactly what he (Mr. Wilson) had stated.
The statement posted in Lloyd's was not from that let-
ter, but from one addressed to Messrs. John Robinson
and Sons, sjhighly respectable house; and it was exactly
confirmatory of the other statement. He hoped the Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Robinson) would now state whether he
meant to deny the accuracy of the information from RiQ