The Sun.
London, England, 1846-08-21 00:00:00

REPLY.

" The present averages are not as stated in the paper your
Lordship has sent. Tnose that your Lordship has sent are
last week's averages. The present are as follows

IVbeJt. 11:irley. Oats. Rye. Beans. Feas.
P. 11. s. d. s. d. s. d. a. d. s. d.
Aggregate average .. 49 9 27 4 23 8 31 10 38 9 35 10
Actual duty levied .. 8 0 4 0 1 6 4 0 4 0 4 0
Intended duty .. 8() 4 0 1 6 2 0 2 0
Duty as It woul.l Lave
been under sth and -20 0 9 0 5 0 10 6 4 6
6th Victoria, c.

" What we wish to show your Lordship is, that in the
great article of beans, for instance, if the averages continue
to rise one week more as they have done during the last live
weeks, the duty under the old Bill would be 3s. Gd. per quar-
ter, instead of 49., as now levied; and before October, under
the old Bill, there is every probability that the duty would
be lA. per quarter.
"In fact, last year, under the old Bill, the duty fell to
Is. Gd. per quarter in August, and to Is. in September, and
continued Is. till Christmas ; notwithstanding which mode-
rate duty the price of old beans continued as high as 525.
per quarter up to the middle of March, with a very abundant
crop of English growth.

s. d.

" Imperial weekly average for the week
ending July 11, 1816 ...... ...... ........ 37 11
" Ditto, July 18 „
" Ditto, July 25 „ ... 3B 9
" Ditto, August 1 "
" Ditto, Augiuct 8 ... ... 39 8
" Then it next rises 5d., say to lO 1

6)234

which under Gthievesoladn Bagilglrieygoautledalrkageethofe.:iu—t-y339e. 601, in
Place of 45., as now levied.

" GILLIES AND HORNE,
"ALEXANDER BELL"

evidently ---- --------
BIT or DEVONSIIIRE.-11r. Justice Platt "brought
out"a Devonshire boy in roe(' style last week at Exeter, and
,
,tesses ag.iinst the pi Lionel. was John Brown, twelve years of
ige, whose busincss, 11, said was to
etli yed thefun.° In a rale of arson, one of the wit.
"go about 'long wi'
mother," selling " visit." lie stated that he was on an arch
• ,ver the tunnel, about vower o'clock in the afternoon, and
zeed smolt a' coining out o' the back houze; he know'd 'twas
vower o'clock, !cos he thought when was a tap o' th' arch
hat his mother wid'n catch him to whop hint. The Judge
—When (lid •you expect your whopping, that evening?
Boy—WhQn her catch'd me. Judge—What made you go
upon the arch. Boy—Cos I could see her a coming.
Judge. And then you could bolt, eh ? Boy—Eee', zur, my
loard.

THE ROVAL MINT.—The machinery in the coining
(14partment of this establiihment IM being repaired, and ha con.
septeht:.o the works hr or, been ettepeuled ter the present

RAILWAY COMMITTEES.

(YESTERDAY)

HOUSE OF LORDS.
Room A.

MANCHESTER AND SOUTHAMPTON,
The Committee met this morning at eleven o'clock; Lord
Monteagle in the chair.
The cross-examination of Mr. Bidder was proceeded with
by Mr. TALBOT—He detailed the position of the line with
respect to the various landowners on its route. No land
would be interfered with except where absolutely necessary.
If they interfered with any portion of the' property of Mr.
Hodgion, they were willing to purchase the whole of it.
They ran through the property of Lord Aylesbury for four-
teen miles; nevertheless, his Lordship was itiL favour of the
line. The South-Western opposeed them in the House cf
Comm,ms, and also presented a petition against them in the
Stan ?jog Orders Committee of their Lordhips's House, but
they had adjusted their difference, and were now in
harmony, as that portion of the line between
Andover and Southampton was lately conceded to that
Company, on their paying the original cost, together
with the purchase of the Andover Canal. The estimate was
1,580,001)1., the company taking power to borrow one-third
of the capital. The line from Andover to Southampton, he
anticipated, could ba opened in twelve months from the
passing of the Bill. The cost would be 300,000/., but not
more then 200,000/. would be required by that time. The
expense would be reduced, because two miles and a half of
the Dorchester line would be used. The entire tunnelling
would be four.miles. One hundred thousand pounds would
cover the expense of the principal stations; the second-class
stations had not been determined upon. Temporary stations
would be erected at various parts of the line for the accom-
modation of agriculrural produce.
The witne,s was re-examined by Mr. Sergt. WRINGITAM.
Mr. E. Stepenson, C.E., joint engineer of the line with
Mr. Bidder, was next examined—He generally concurred in
his evidence, and considered that 18,0001. a mile was a
moderate rate, and that the line could be constructed at that
rate.

Mr. Irawkshaw, C.E., followed, and concurred in the
evidence.

Mr. Willey, land valuer, said, the land of the line would
cost 198,841/., and was taken at the rate of 2351. per acre.
Mr. Taplin produced a table of the receipts of various Rail-
ways, taken at various periods; and Mr. Goldsmid handed
in a list of the assents and dissents.
This closed the case on the part of the promoters.
Mr. TALBOT, Q C., then at great length addressed the
Committee on behalf of the Great Western and against the
line, and contended that the necessary communication be-
tween the north and the south would be opened up by the
Oxford and Rugby, vid Basingstoke, and which the pro-
prietors of the Great Western were willing to lay down the
narrow in connexion with the broad gauge, and by the
Wilts, Somerset, and Weymouth, rid Bristol. That these
lines would accommodate large and populous towns, which
the Manchester and Southampton would not, everything
having been sacrificed in order to make it direct, and
trusted that their Lordships would in this case, as in others,
counteract the rash and impolitic decision of the House
of Commons. There could be no question that ere long
there would be no break of gauge between Southamp-
ton and the north. Surely, their Lordships would
not sanction this line, when the earth of the line which they
had sanctioned last sesion for a similar object had not yet
been raised. Goods from the north could be brought cheaper
by the iines in connexion with the Great Western to Basing-
stoke, where they would meet the trains of. the South-
Western, and be conveyed by them to Manchester, much
cheaper than they could be conveyed by a new line. After
referring to the calls of the company, who stated they
would not call n:ore than 21. per share up to 1848, and not
more than 41. yearly afterwards, and contending that after
paying their railway expenses, which must be considerable,
and compensating landowners, which would leave them little
or nothing to construct the line, he, at four o'clock, sought
the permission of the Committee to resume his address to-
morrow.
The Committee then adjourned.

NEWPORT, ABERGAVENNY, AND

HEREFORD RAILWAY,

Since our last notice of this undertaking, a company
has been incorporated by Act of Parliament for the con-
struction of this railway, and a period of seven years has
been given by the Legislature for its completion.
In connexion with this line the Shrewsbury and
Hert.fordshire, the Shrewsbury, Oswestry, and Chester,
and the North Wales Mineral, will form a continuous
line between the port of Newport in the Bristol Channel,
and Birkenhead ; and they will all be made on the
narrow gauge. So that the city of ll,,reford, whilst
boasting of a broad gauge to London, will have the full
benefit of the narrow gauge system, all centralising at
Heref prd.

The local traffic betc‘een Hereford, Abergavenny, and
Newport in itself Hill be highly remunerative to those
capitalists who embark in the on lertiking. The inter-
change whi..h. must necessarily take plaee between so
important an agricultural district as that around Here-
-1 cd, and the equally important mineral and mining dis-
trict in and around Ab,rg,ivenny and Pontypool, with a
terminus at Newport, most necessarily be productive of
a great traffic for the local acquirements of the country ;
and when we add to this that the Newport and Hereford
line, in connexion with the lines to the north, will form
the most important part of a trunk line to Liverpool,
Manchester, &c., from the Monmouthshire iron district,
we cannot hesitate to believe that, upon a development
of the resources of the country, this will form one of the
most paying lines in the kingdom.
Believing that the Newport and Hereford Railway
will be of the first importance to this city and county,
we have heard with much pleasure that the Welsh Mid-
land directors have determined to recommend to their
proprietary to complete the Construction of this lime
before proceeding further with the lines westward into
Wales. To facilitate this, provision is made in the
Newport and Hereford Act for dividing the 50/. shares
into shares of 251. each, and thus about 20,000 shares
are, as it were, created for the benefit of the Welsh iNf: d-
land and Great Eastern" and Western proprietaries, the
latter of whom were bought off a Parliamentary opposi-
tion which threatened the destruction of the Newport
and Hereford Company, by the promise of an equal
participa•ion in the diAribution of shares with the Welsh
Midland.

The demand thus suddenly made for Newport and
gereford stock has had the. effect of considerably raising
its value in the market ; and so soon as public attention
is directed to the importance of this communication, we
shall exptrct to see it rank with the most favourite of the
new railway shares ; and instead of the Company avail-
ing themselves of a pi,riod of soven years, we can now
congratulate the county on the prospect of an imme-
diate commencement of the works, and on a speedy com-
pletion of them.
_-. _ _

Much credit is due to Mr. W. Sayce, the local engineer
of the line, for carrying the Company safely through the
standing orders ordeal ; and the cou ty will ever be in
debted to the enterprise, and sound judgment of Messrs.
Johnstone, Farquhar, and Leech, the eminent City solici-
:ors, for the in; reduction or a public c•onpany, having
f,r its purpose so great a public good.-11creford Times.

POOR MAN'S (WARMAN
SOCIETY.

A -general public rni•eting of the S,-uth London
auxiliary to the parent Society was hell on ,Vedoesd..iy,
the I'h: at re of the Literary I. vituti:in, R:rough-road.
Mr. J. 1.. STEvIENS wa:s called to th chair. ile said.
t was no: hi; in:.ento.ni to d..,taio !Ito wee:ing at I,,re4tn.
it was ti•gh to Cite credit 0.•• Lai', met' the tr.,•e
1,., (hat an :esti lied n, e,, c-.t..ablish-d in 1. is stet--
q.l i-e. for the proti.cion of the poor Loin who wis
n c..ssity of applying- for p Ceciltab r era It
ia.l been e_-ttbli.h v 1 with a view t:, atford th, poor loan
dres in th,• cate of oppr,ssion, and the
such as uNistrd, to the fillies, po-,41)1,. e.sie:e. for the
4 ,od of thus, who needed relief; fir it was the opinion of
.'lose who had originate I the parent Society that had
L to the means of subsistence and of clothini2;
Hat the iruitistrious our, not the idle, hat., cla,ms
pun: octet y in „en r.tl. Saeh were the pri,eipLis
wh:en tee parent institution had b,Ntn es-
Two in. etings had air ady b-en ht Id in
,onnexi,in with the object and views of the society on
'hat side of the river, and out of these had originated
the South London Auxiliary. Rules and a prospectus
nad been drawn up, which the Chairman then read to
;.he meeting, and moved—" That this meeting fully ap
proves of the pr,..spectus and rules of the South L'.nilon
Poor Man's Guardian Society, now read," which was
carried unanimously.
Mr. FRENCH Said, though he had retired for ever frcm
'politics, he felt himself cabled on to support the object
of this society, which was not political. He considere f
it celestial, likely to meet with the approbation of
[leaven, and deserving the co-operation of man, to care
for the widows, the orphan=, the suns and dau4hters of
sorrow, misery, and distress. It was unhappily the
case, that in the high tidy of prosp,rity which this
country was at present enjoying in commercial specula-
tion, poverty and cri ne had become 'synonymous. He
knew this to be a fact; he had seen it at home and abroad.
In Germany, France, Italy, and Rolland, he had hail it
thrown in his teeth that the Englishman despises poverty.
He had himself felt the strong need there was. of a
society like this when he went out with a view to obtain
redrats for the grievances of the poor ; on these occa-
sions he had never, but with one exception, met with
anything save insults, taunts, and even threats of per-
sonal violence. The Learned Gentleman concluded a
very eloquent address by moving that the South London
Poor Man's Guardian Society deserves the support of
every friend to humanity and good government, and
that the meeting pledges itself effectively to aid the ope-
rations of that Society.
Mr. MARSH seconded the resolution, and the meeting
passed it unanimously.
A resolution was then passed by the meeting, appoint-
ing J. L. Stevens, Esq., to be Chairman of the Committee.
Mr. STEVENS, in acknowledging the honour, said it
was the intention of the society to establish local com-
mittees in every parish, that the pauper should not be
under the necessity of going five or six miles to meet
with a committee of the society.
Mr. DAY, in moving that Mr. Howard be appointed
treasurer to the society, said that scarcely one-third
of the money collected under the name of 'poor-rates,
went to the relief of the poor. He said the police-rate,
the county rate, the fire escapes, the poundage on the
collection of the whole rate, the preparation and
printing of the list of voters, the salaries of the
referees under the new building ir.:t were all paid
out of the poor-rates. It would theref_ire be well
to recollect this in the payment of these rates, that they
did not all go to the relief of the poor, He was aware
that many temptations lay in the way of relieving officerA
and poor-law guardians, doing justice in proportion
to the wants of the poor. Such a society, on that ac-
count, as would afford an opportunity of appeal in these
cases, was a great good, and deserved the
support,

Mr. Howard was unanimously appointed treasurer.
It was then moved by Mr. MAYNARD and seconded 1)3
Mr. TOWNSEND—That the thanks of this meeting are
due, and are hereby voted to tits members of the Parent
Institution in Leicester-square, for being Ora first pub
licly to combine their efforts as the protectors and advo
cates of the poor, and in an especial manner to J. Wal-
ker, Esq. of Bearwood, who has been prevented being
present by illness, and to the gentlemen who have at-
;aided Ow 1219r12112g,

Mr. SAVAGE addressed the meeting at some length,
and entered into details connected with the history of
the Parent Society.
Mr. KNIGHTON moved that the thanks of the meeting
were due to the editors of the Tinzes, the Adverfser, The
Sun, Douglas Jerrold s, and otht r newspapers, who had
advocated the cause or the poor.
The several reso'utions were passed without dissent,
and a vote of thanks to the chairman having been car-
ried, the meeting separated.

MAYOR'S COURT-WEDNESDAY

GREAT CoMPENSATION CASE.
This day a special sitting of the Court took place for the
purpose of assessing the damages claimed by Messrs. Wood
and Tomlin, in respect of the lease of their premises and the
goodwill of their trade as grocers, carried on for above halt a
Century at the corner of Threadneedle-street and Old Broad-
street.

The Attorney-General appeared for the claimants, together
with Sir F. Thesir,er, Mr. Warrer, Q.C., Mr. Randall, and
Mr. Locke: and the case of the City was conducted by Sir
F. Kelly, Mr. Gurney, Q.C., the Common Sergeant, Mr.
Ryland, and Mr. Laurie.
The jury went to view the premises, and from the nume-
rous attendance of witnesses and the array of counsel it was
expected that the cause would last for two days. It was
generally understood that the parties differed so widely in
their e*timate of compensation that tho Corporation, con-
trary to their usual custom, would call evidence, and besides
an array of surveyors, several respectable members of the
trade were in Court ready to be called on each side.
The claim was as follows:
Estimated value of lease
Value of fixtures
Claim for loss of trade estimated upon a profit
of 13,3511. 12s. for 2 years and 10 months to
April, 1846 11,230 0 0
Loss on sale of 11,6001. stock in trade ...
Loss on sale of horses, carts, &c 2OO 0 0
For solicitors' contracts and surveyors'
charges

£11,055 0 0
257 11 0

700 0 •0

£26,362 11 0
The jury were absent nearly an hour, and on their return it
was announced, that the learned gentlemen had profited by
their absence to make an arrangement by which the claim-
ants were to receive 13,0001. in full compensation for all
claims, which stun was afterwards divided thus, B,oorl. for
the leasehold, and 5,0001. for compensation, loss of sale of
stock, and every other expense.
The whole of the purchases for these improvements have
beeen now completed, and it was arranged in court that
Messrs. Wood and Tomlin should deliver up possession of
their premises on the 3d of October, so that the Imperial
Assurance Company, who have purchased the ground of
the Corporation, may commence the erection of the splendid
building which is intended to ocoupy as well the site of
Messrs. Wood and Tomlinson's premises as the ground on
which the houses numbered 1; 2,3, and 4, in Old .Uroad-
street, now stand. The carriage-road and footer ay at the
confluence of Threadneedle-street and Old Broad-street
will by this arrangement be widened 20 feet, and the new
building will be set back in line" with the Hall of Com-
merce, both in the front and rear. It is understood that
the cost of this great improvement, which wi 1 contribute
so much to the beauty of the City and the convenience of
the public, will not exceed 2,000/. out of the public funds
applicable to the improvements of the City.

CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT.
OLD COURT.
(Before Baron PLATT and Alderman HuGnEs.)
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Upon the motion of Mr. BALLANTINR, the trial of the
man Clive, who stands charged with manslaughter, the
charge arising out of the recent collision upon the Eastern
Counties Railway, was postponed until the next assizes,
the defendant being allowed to go at large upon bail.
James Llotid, 35, milkman, was indicted for the man-
slatwhter of Thomas Alexander Bartlett.

M. Wilde conducted the prosecution, Mr. Prendergast de-
fended the prisoner.
It appeared that on the day named in. the indictment, the
deceased, who was a young lad, was playing with some of
his companions about the same age, at a game called
"pussy cat," which consists in striking a piece of wood
pointed at both ends, and it seemed that deceased struck the
"cat" against the prisoner, who immediately t-truck the de-
ceased a blow, and when he ran away he followed him and
struck him a second time, and he fell against the wall, and
it was alleged that in consequence of these blows he received
such injuries as to cause his death. The evidence, however,
was not by any means conclusive upon the point
The jury therefore returned a verdict of Not Guilty.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE'.
MANSION-HOUSE.
Phillip Ryan, the secretary to a benefit society, called
the " old Friends," was summoned before Aleerman
Gibbs fur having refits. d to give up any of the fund: for
the pa) meat of the sick, who, as members, had claims
upon it.
Mr. llobler, who appeared for the secretary, objected
in limit 4 that the magistrate had no jurisdiction in the
case, inasmuch as the society was one which was con-
ducted upon the principle of secret signs and obligations.
A schism had starred out of the ill gel character of it,
and several of the members were anxious to secede, and
establish it upon a basis not liable to so injurious an
objection.
Alderman GIBBS asked Mr. nobler whether he could
prove that the society was regulated by secret signs and
obligations upon oath ?—Mr. nobler replied that the
13th rule directed that no brother should make known
the signs of the brotherhood or disclose the secrets of
the society.
The Solicitor to the complainant said he knew of no
secret signs or obligations as influencing the members.
That was an argument merely put forth to sanction the
unfair attempt of some of the dissatisfied members to
get the money into their own hands.
Mr. Hobler—My client is ready to give up the money
at once. All he wants to know is to whom to give it up
without being placed in the dilemma of responsibility to
those" who object to a secession fr,-m the society. Ido
not know that it is in the power of any authority to
decide in such a case except the Court of Exchequer,
who can give a legal discharge to my client, supposing he
should part with the money.
The Solicitor to the complainant said that the sick
were suffering by the detention of the money, and the
secretary would be completely justified in yielding to so
undoubted a claim.-
Alderman Genus—What is the meaning of the letters
N. 0. F., which appear to be hierogiiphically placed ?
The complainant—That means " noble old friend."—
(Laughte:.) We must have titles or we could not exist
as a charity.
Alderman GIBBS—Do you really administer any
secret oath ? The complainant—Not at all.
Mr. Hobler—l shall show you whether secret signs
are not passed, and secret oaths are not administered.
A young man here stepped forward, and said—My
Lord, you cannot come into the lodge without giving a
sign. When you are first made a member you are
blindfolded, and you are sworn upon a naked sword.
The complainant—What are the words used—the
exact word ? Witness—You are given a drawn sword,
and you must keep it and say " so be it," declaring
that you will not reveal the secrets of the members.
The complainant's solicitor—Really there is no secre
at all in that.
Witness—Noboly can enter the apartment in which
the society is held wit4ptut making a sign. You must
first go up ;mil knocklit?the door, and that noi•e is an-
swered ny a scratching inside, like a cat.—(A laireb.) I
endeavoured to get Ha of that sort of mummery, and
we had it overruled. But it is: attempted to play all
sorts of tricks with the money. The officers parade the
streets with !figs, go to pubic dinners, and drink abun-
dance of gin and wa;er at the expense of the poor. One
of them drew the sward upon me, and attempted to run
me through. Now, what we want is to have the money
fairly divid• d amongst the members.
Alderman GIBBS said he believdd, for the reasons
stated there, and for other reasons, that he could not
deeide ; but, recommended the parties to refer the case
to Mr. Ttdd Pratt, and
The Secretary put all the money in to Mr, Geodman's
hands, and consented to abide by the authority of tha,
gentleman.