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Was rot for him (the Marquis of Ncrmanby) to suggest what
course should be taken by the Nob:e Lord, hut he did
think that after this case, it appeared to him, will' respect to the
Noble Lord and the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland, and the Noble
Lord who had been appointed Custos Rotulorum, that some
Noble Lord should move some reselution, which would prevent
the case referred to being drawn into a precedent."—( Hear. )
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE thought it neee:sary to
add his testimony to that of the Noble Lord who had made
this motion, and the other Noble Lords who had spoken
in support of it. Nothing could be more clear than the ex-
pressions which had been expressed in that House (and if such
expressions had not been made in the other House of Parlia-
ment, it was because such a discussion had never been brought
on in that place), that it was the intention of her Majesty's
Government at the time referred to that these two offices
should be united. The clause that had been referred to by
the Noble Lord was one of the most preposterous kind for in-
sertion in any such Act of Ppliament. Nobody could deny
tivit a case might arise in which it might be most material to
make a separation between the "two offices, that was to say, if
the Lord-Lieutenant became disqualified by illness, by absence
in the country, or by other causes, from duly discharging the
duties of his situation—in that case he (the Marquis of Lans-
downe) submitted that the Crown should be armed with a
power to separate these two offices. But were they to infer
from that that it was intended, notwithstanding the declara-
tion that had been made in_ that House, that the Lord-Lieu-
tenant should remain ignorant of matters that were of the
greatest importance. Not only did the Noble Lord assume
that the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland was to remain ignorant of
the most important proceedings in that country, but that
he should be ignorant of what took place in that House. So
that unless the Noble Lord was actually present in Parliament
and in Ireland at the same time, he could not, according to the
argument of the Noble Lord, properly discharge his duties.
Now, he (the Marquis of Lansdowne) thought that this subject
was of great importance at all times, but he did confess that
in the present state of Ireland, and after what bad passed lately
in that House in relation to that country, this subject was of
much more importance now.—( Hear, heaa.) It was most
important that this deviation from whatever might be the
alleged custom should have occur) ed in the present year, after
the discussion which had already taken place. He did not_know
'in what way or shape this matter would be dealt with Abut he
certainly united with his Noble Friend in the wish that the
opinion that might be expressed would be a unanimous one.
He was sure he meant no disrespect to the Noble Earl (the
Earl of St. Germans) in what he had to say, bur he could
not help saying that he had made a most imperfect defence.
He thought that her Majesty's Government should make some
positive declaration as to the course which they intended
hereafter to pursue with respect to the subject under their
Lordships' consideration.—( Hear, hear. )
The Duke of RICHMOND entirely concurring with all
that had fallen from his Noble Friend ; and, believing it of
great importance that the laws which were made for England
should be extended to Ireland—( Hear, hear)—he did hope
that her Majesty's Ministers would make a declaration, and
that they would speak out and say that the matter complained
of had been done by inadvertance—( Hear, hear)—for he
believed that it would be found to be so. He hoped that some
Noble Lord would move a resolution upon the subject—( Hear,
beat —to the effect that it was desirable that these two offices
should not be disunited.—( Hear, hear.) His Noble Friend,
(the Noble Marquis) who had been Lord-Lieutenant of Iceland,
had been lately abroad, and he complained that thaLood"kin-
tenant of Ireland did not read Hansard's debates. elis
Friend had been in Italy, and he appeared to knoaalattl )1 t
circumstances that had taken place in this:a ivtry ass
departure.—( Hear, hear.) Hansard's debates! ./tasr ;1*
now got up and said, "Let by-goner be')y 2•• Ade
not be pledged by our former speeches -.'"E',
(Hear, hear.) There was really nowl3-li!I'l ! II c, H an-
sard's debates, because in perhaps twenty-flats a Jaf stt el the
speeches of some parties had been delivered, Lae .would de-
liver themselves of speeches on the very opposts ge4;off the
question which they had previously supported.-4 Heaf,hear. )
The Earl of ST. GERMANS asked whether the Noble
Marquis (Lansdowne) wished him to introduce a Bill on the
subject, which they could not do without interfering with the
prerogative of the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE explained that he only
asked for some declaration on the part of her Majesty's Go-
vernment, which would prevent the recurrence of such a pro-
ceeding as had been complained of. He did not wish it to be
drawn into a precedent.
After a few words from the Duke of WELLINGTON the
motion was agreed to.
BOROUGH OF SCOTLAND BILL.
This Bill was read a second time, on the motion of the Duke
of BUCCLEUCH.
DISSOLUTION OF RAILWAY COMPANIES BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed, on the motion of
Lord DALHOUSIE.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 5.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
NEW MEMBER. _ _

Lord LINCOLN took the oaths and his seat for the Falkirk dis-
trict of Burghs.
CLYDE DOCK AND HARBOUR BILL.

Mr. OSWALD moved, that further proceeding on the third
reading of the Clyde Dock and Harbour Bill be resumed, and
amendments made in the Bill, in terms of the report of the
Select Committee on Standing Orders, presented on the Ist
of May. -
Mr. HUME asked the House to stay further proceedings on
this Bill, until certain documents which he had moved for were
produced. He objected to giving the Clyde trustees the
power sought under the Bill, because they had not
properly complied with the Act they obtained in 1840.
The trustees had already incurred a debt of 300,0001., and they
now sought for additional powers to raise a sum of 100,000/.,
to carry out improvements on a piece of land which would re-
quire at least 800,0001. to be expended on it before it could be
brought into a proper condition. He objected to the increase
of the liabities already incurred by these trustees, as they did
not possess sufficient revenues to pay the interest of the debt.
He asked the power to delay further proceedings on this Bill for
14 days until he could obtain the papers he sought for. The
construction of the docks was never contemplated until No-
verober last, and he was opposed to the trustees pledging the
revenues of the river for their formation. The river, with
proper care, if Mr. Walker's plans were carried out, might
be made quite capable to accommodate all the shipping that
could enter, without incurring the unnecessary expense of
Constructing the proposed docks.
Sir GEORGE CLERK believed that it would be a very
great advantage to the river Clyde if docks were constructed
on its banks. As far as he could gather, the Hon. Member
for Montrose objected to this scheme, as the trustees had not
sufficient revenue to meet the expenses necessary to he in-
curred. The city of Glasgow was rapidly extending, espe-
cially towards that portion of tne
Aue .iver wnere prp0.,...
to us - of land was greatly in-
creasing, and he understood from the illifiuutaLlc Pacrobor for
quite ade-
Glasgow that the trustees possessed a sine—
, __,..3....squired outlay. If there were sufficient
,goal" litie argument of the Honourable Member for Montrose
quite fell to the ground; if, on the other hand, there were not
sufficient revenue, then it would be expedient, perhaps, to
adopt the suggestion of the Hon. Member.
Sir JOHN EAST HOPE said there was no disposition on
the part of the River Trustees to oppose any inquiry into
their accounts, and they had manifested every desire to have
a full and perfect scrutiny.
After a few words from Mr. BAINES and Lord GRAN-
ViLLE SOMERSET,
Mr. NEWDEGATE said, as he was a member of the group
to which the Bill had been referred, he wished to state that it
was the firm impression of the Committee, that an important
city like Glasgow, should have proper docks and wharfs, in
order to carry on its trade in a proper manner, and the Com-
mittee refused its consent to the line passing the river, but they
allowed a branch, which they considered would answer the pur-
pose of the railway.
After a few words from Mr. OSWALD and Mr. LOCKHART,
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but no division took
place,
Mr. HUME having withdrawn his motion, considering that
it would not be right if he divided the House upon it after
the statement of the Government,

Mr. LAWSON presented a petition from the Leeds and
Th.irs k Railway Company in favour of the York and Knares-
borough Railway.
NI:. LOCKHART presented a petition from the Earl of
Glasgow against the Kilmarnock Waterworks Bill.
Mr. GIBSON CRAIG moved that
itbe an instruction to
the Committee of Selection, to remit the
Bill, Edinburghe
Edinburgh Water
Bill, the Edinburgh and Leith Water
Paving Bill, and the South Leith Church Bill, to the same
Committee.—The motion was agreed to.
Mr. ESTCOURT brought up the report of the Standing
Orders and other Committees.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition, signed by
members of the Downpatrick board of guardians, complaining
abuses
such a law as was prevalent on this head in England and Scot-
land. They also complained of a want of a law to prohibit
Ingram and the improvident expenditudre of
they might be re-
f the public money
by the Government Commissioners, an th
lieved from the further instalments of money advanced on the
~f;onsolidated Funds.
_Mr. THOMAS SLINGSBY DUNCOMBE presented a
petit.ion from several landowners in the Isle of Wight, praying
that th:tt island might be included in the General Highway
Bill now in progress through the House. The roads in the Isle
of Wight w, are at present in a most wretched condition, although
the inhabitan,`s were subjected to heavy taxation for the repair
of the highways. He would move that the petition be printed
with the votes.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. W. COLLETT presented a petition in favour of the
Glasgow Union Railway.
QUARANTINE LAWS.
Dr. BOWRING gave notice that he would postpone for
fortnight his motion, that an humble address be resented
to
her Majesty, that she will be graciously pleased to di such
correspondence or extracts en the subject of the quarantine
laws as has taken place with foreign Governments since the last
returns to Parliament, to be laic. on the table of this House ;
and that this House will see with pleasure such relaxations in
the existing system as may he compatible with a due regard to
the public health, and the general interests of the nation.
IRISH COERCION Be
Mr. POULETT SCROPE gave notice that, on the motion
for the third reading of this Bill, he would move the same
amendment he had made when a similar Bill was proposed in
I
namely, that before any addition was made to the
stringency of the criminal law in Ireland, steps should be taken
forthe purpose of investigating and remedying the causes
which led to that state of things against which such a measure
was directed.

•
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD gave notice that he
would move for a
potatliecef.or the
the s'ecretary of copy of a memorial sent from Rochdale to
s cor,.duct of the Home Department relative to
tht,
I. DUNCOMBE sa
POPILLAw
REMOVALS.
. id, he had moved f
respecting the removalof
Mr. • v
ire and Cheshire. Three kits s ebruary res
Threoermsoevnethraslhraed-
turns • 3/4,0w. in York
yet they had not.
several 1, .
_,,, and
as the poor from
been produced. He
forthwith. —.Agreed already p. ' t,
move ti. at they be produced
EDUCATION,
to.
would now
LE..GAL BID—
a motion to
Mr. WYSE, said thal:. he had given notice. of
Nvas, that the
which he belie ved there Was no objectio
into the
House do extend the instruc,!ion given
thtoeitrhelin!Committee on
Legal Education (Irelai.,d), to otend
consideration of the state, iinportoice, and exciteeinrYt of legal
education in England.—AgreeJ to.
ysofhathvee
THE BRITISH MUSEVM .
Mr. HUME moved for a return from the trustee
British Museum, stating any and what regulations they
adopted to give effect to the recommendations of the
Committee on Public Monuments, dated the 16th day of June,elect
1t341, or which have bad for their object to grant greater 6.1'
ties and conveniences to persons visiting the Museum ; cainit-1
:a similar eturn frovn the trustees of the Nationai Oallery.—
Agreed to.
THE SLAVE EMANCIPATION OFFICE.
Mr. HUME also moved for an " Account of the total ex-
plane of the Slave Emancipation Office, stating the several
and the names of the officers to whom paid ; also
salai:lea Paid,
'of all colsitingent expenses in each year since the passirg of the
131 ave Comb ensation Act, stating from what source these ex-
penses have bet'll p‘aid, and how long that office is to be eon-
tinued."—Agreen "):
CAN ADlAkir POLITICAL OFFENDERS.
Mr. FLUME then moved for a return of the number of per-
: sons banished from Cant;,da, for political offences since 1837,e
`-to Vali Diemetes Land, or if. any other colony? stating th