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London, England, 1814-07-12 00:00:00

onelerv-alued. ,il nay was intended for the
,
eers, and for the soldiers•pensions froin the Chel-
sea' Board.: though •as -cogis, they would be die-

continued., There was, therefore, no. reason to
--fear their becoming objects of 'charity, begging
in the streets.. Veterans had been ethployed,
cause many of them were calculated for services
of aless. kiborioyis nature, which tendered them
v ieful, when imperious circumstances called for
such large assistances to our Peninsular Army.—'
In Madeira, North AMerica, Scc. they but the
same duties to -perform, as in home garriscnt-:.—
• Wives and families were allowed to go tout with
them, and other indulgencies granted, not per,
mitted to regular regiments. Troops of cavalry
regitucnv; were reducing in •number from .10
to K, ,and the' companies from 80 to 60. Tlfe
Militin were• going to their respective counties,
previous .:to disbanding, as' expeditiously as was
practicable. Ruth as' to -them and the cavalry,
it should be recollected, that there had 'been
vast• uumbers of French Prisoners to attend• to.
As to the peace establishnient; it was Impos—
sible for him to:state more titan that it, Would
be placed on the most economical. footing,
and that the.arrangements must have some regard
to those of other nations. :Tite estimate he had
laid on the table would spew the true stare of
army affairs. lie..should propose n distinction
between the.pAy of full and of Lieutenant-Gene-
ralS, and idliveen those ktgain who had or had
unit regiments. The full Generals to have
11. 18:...iusteadof 11. Its. 6(1. which Lieut.-
Generals. were to have. This, he trusted, would
be fottud adequate, though below the entolu,
merits of a regiMent. Thoneli :t.wai-advantage-
ou:, it Would be left.optional to keep the regiatents,
• or take.full General's pay. . The Guards were -cer-
tairly hurthenettivith many inefficient Members,
who, from their rank, Were unable to attend more
.than parade duties. lie _meant an addition. to
those who were Field-Officers. Those who might

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succeed.to their eoitqui,iops, ilitl.not seem to re-

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quire this, as they %v-quid be. in a. greater fae.dity
' of promotion. Lieutenant-Colonels of Gliavds, it;
General's, he proposed to make up to $OOl. a-year :
the first Major to 9001. a-year Captains., 500/. a-
yev ; but to add .50/. a-year tp the,. Service Cap-
tain, with proportional allowanees to others.---,
Lieutenants half-pay to, be raised frontc4s'..to
4s. 6d. ; Ensigns' to.be 3s,
. • General (..iAscoY NE thought the Committee: the
best place for discussion. •
PONSONBY ,thought every excess the
establishment slibuhl stand on its.particular rnerirs.
'There might be reasons-of exces4,' froth the

ritius, the Indies, &c. which made out t!.er own
justification ; but the fOundatioa. of the expellee
should be, the state before the war began. As to
the state Of the military of other great Powers,'-ifi
as a Noble Lord (Castlereagh) .had said, we had
a view of "a long, profound, unsuspicious peace,"
how could an increased establishment' in Austria,
or Russia, effect us n►uch, or excite our jealousy ?
L'ord CASTLEREAGH.--TliC subjeet of Sicily was
very complicated, and the events there had been
of a very peculiar nature, and caused much anxie-
ty. It was too much to speak, of withdrawing.
o►►r troops all at once.. Glorious as the peace was,
it did not follow that all sort of military-security
became imniedtately unnecessary. That would be
a most exaggerated picture of a peace; which,
though Made for the interestof all, did not put
all VlN:pc, in a Moment, in such a. state of per-
feet repose, as to be like what it was .20 or 30

years ago.
Mr. 13AN:1(Es took a view of what our Peace
Establishment had been. In the last six months
c4f 1792, -theofficial amount of our force at home
and abroad (not the return of our eirec(ive.force)
iVas-27,900 men.— We had atilome, 15,700 and
11;218, abroad. He entered into other campari- •
sous, .but the amount of our force in 1792 he
brought forward -to show what Mr. Pitt, with a
yield to a permanent Peace, had thought a sal-
establishment for this cougtry.
Lnrd NhwAtiv.. read a statement of the proposed
pay of General Officers-, alid insisted that there
.was a great disproportion in it, as compared with-
former arrangements the time of, peace. .
• Mr. W.,Szirrii could not help thinking that we

aniW.t do with a less establishment than in' 1792.
It was impossible not to allow that our military
character must go for something ; and then the
nation was in a state of internal tranquillity. 'As
to our foreignptablishment, no very numerous.
fora• could be 'necessary ; for instauce, in India
there was certainly less occasion, for a powerful
army, than at the tilVie when the,French hid so
much controut in that country. He then allnded
to the state of Sicily, and hoped that after open-
ing to that kingdorn.prospects of a better govern-
ment, we -should not leave them-to lament that
none of our good promises had been fulfilled.
After a few tvords front Mr. CALCRAFT, the
House went into a Connuiftce, and Lordi'ALmEß.::
ETON moved the first resolution..
Mr. PONSONEY objected to the priiposed method
of paying the Officers- of the Guards ;. the only
effect of the. alteration wordd be not to benefit
a must distinguished
,branch of military service,
but to create a considerable 'patronage for the

Government. •
General GascoltNn Went ,into some details to
slim that the. General officers .of the Gu.ai-ds-wotild
be loSexs by the new arningement;
Sir EYR.V. CooTE followed to the same effoct,
and recommended attention.to• the situation of the

nsigns.
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Mr. littcNirT-rinsistetl, tl►at the TrICRSIII'CWOithI
be a job—nothing- but patroan-e front liegin. Ong-
to end. .

Sir 1,, BRYDGEs oftlected to 'the proposed al-
teration re--pecting, the GuniCils. . •
Mr. PoNsoNtiv thought that lon-writing •shofild
be Oor.e to'amelivrote the situation of Ensignsatul
Lieutenants,, whom it tats impossible their pre-
seat allowance could support ill the rank of Gen-
tlemen. -1-1" e .2:0,f100/. proposed to be given to
the thjaFds,'woott be much better applied -in
&ring their siumtiml iHore coniforticbie., •
• Lord PALMEiIi;TON replied at some length to
the i,arous ohicctions that. Inui'been urged: The
s,iljwo-incd, Eiisigns and Lieutenants, it,rompared
writh that- Miracle to others would Ile fai. from 4p...
p„ g At ,the time when an 'addi-
tion was tuit,ie tai t hef till: pay ofLientenants- and
•not- theant- to-evrtrd-ro tratf.
pay, :ald would Lic.)t bays; o ttxtcn (1 , 4.ut fur