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who performed the labOrious duties of the parish work-
ing like a common labourer in the fields, while the person
who received the emoluments was residing in some other
diocese. He would mention, as an instance, his own parish.
The incumbent derived an income from it of 9001. a year,
and he never saw him ; he performed no spiritual duty in
the parish, while the curate, with a large family, as curates
generally had, received only 100/. a year, out of which he
paid 101. rent, and was obliged to work in the fields to as-
sist in the support of his numerous family. Ile felt strongly
upon this point, and so did the people of Wales. They
thought it very hard that the Archbishop should he able to
send down to them as a Bishop whomsoever he pleased,
without knowing a single word of the language, which alone
could enable him to discharge his spiritual duties as they
ought to he discharged by a Christian clergyman.
Here the discussion was interrupted by a message from
the Lords, desiring a free ( onferenc with the Commons,
on the subject matter of the last conference.
The SPEAKER having announced to the messengers
from the Lords, that. the Commons had agreed to the con-
ference, the names of the same Members who were ap-
pointed to manage the last conference were read over, as
those who were to manage the conference now demanded.
Mr. HUME wished to know how the names now read
over were selected, or whether they were appointed by the
Speaker ?
The SPEAKER—They have been appointed by the
House.
Mr. HUAIE—I did not hear the names read over. I

think it an unfair selection. The Members appointed to
manage this conference represents only one opinion.
Lord J. RUSSELL—The names now read are those of
the Members who were appointed to manage the last con-
ference.
Mr. T. DUNCO MBE moved that the name of Mr.
Hume should be added to the list, and it was subsequently
decided that the names of Messrs. Hume, Warburton,
Ewart, and Wakley should be substituted for those of four
members of the former conference, who did not now an-
swer to their names, namely, Sir J. C. Hobhouse, Mr. P.
Thomson, Lord G. Somerset, and another Hon. Member,
whose name we could not learn.
They immediately proceeded to No. 5 committee-room,
accompanied by all the members present, with the excep-
tion of Mr. Mangles, and another Hon. Member, who was
asleep on the Ministerial benches.
After an absence of rather more than an hour, the ma-
nagers of the conference returned, when
Lord J. RUSSELL appeared at the bar, and announced
that the managers of the conference on the part of the
Commons had been to the House of Lords, and met the
managers of the conference on the part of the Lords, when
the Earl of Ripon, on the part of the managers appointed
by the Lords, stated that their Lordships were determined
to adhere to their amendments.
Lord J. RUSSELL then said that it having been
stated that the House of Lords were determined to ad-
here to the amendments which they had made in the Bill,
and it appearing quite clear that the two branches of the
Legislature could not come to any agreement on the sub-
ject, he thought it right, to avoid that which would be the
obvious result of persevering further with the measure, to
propose that the further consideration of the Lords amend-
ments to this Bill be deferred to that day three months.
The motion was agreed to.
The House then resumed the debate on the Lords'
amendments to the Established Church Bill.
Lord J. RUSSELL could not see the propriety of the
amendment which the Hon. Gentleman had proposed, nor
did it appear to him at all expedient that the Bishops and
Clergy of the principality of Wales should be able to hold
conversations in the Welsh language. He thought that
very bad consequences would arise from making a know-
ledge of the Welsh language an indispensable qualification
for a Bishop. The Hon. Gentleman had gone into several
cases in support of his proposition ; but as it was proposed
by the clause as it stood that no person was to be appointed
to a cure of souls where Welsh was generally spoken unless
he were well acquainted with the Welsh language, the
abuse complained of would be, of course, corrected with-
out any further legislative enactment on the subject. It
had been alleged that the evil had arisen from the prac-
tice which it was said had prevailed, of the Welsh
Bishops appointing their own sons ; but, even admitting
that to be the case, he must own he did not think that
obliging the Bishops to understand the Welsh language
would in any way provide against that abuse. If it did
prevent an undue preference of that kind, all he could say
was, the Welsh language possessed an advantage not only
peculiar to itself, but which belonged to no other language
that he had ever heard of.—(A laugh.) He could not,
however, believe that a knowledge of the Welsh language
would render the future Welsh Bishops less fond of their
sons than the present Bishops were represented to be ;
and, therefore, as he deemed the proposition of the Hon.
Gentleman an inconvenient one, he must oppose his
amendment.
Mr. AGLIONBY supported the amendment, and said,
that he had only recently presented a petition from 1,000
persons belonging to Wales, resident in this metropolis,
praying that the clause, as amended by the Lords, should
not be agreed to.
Mr. G OULBURN expressed'his entire concurrence in
the Lords' amendments, and thought that making a know-
ledge of the Welsh language a Parliamentary qualification
for Welsh Bishops was a most absurd proposition.
Mr. HUME said, that the Bishops were chosen rather
on account of their high connections than of the quali-
fications which they possessed for the office. It was the
duty of the Bishops to preach to their flocks as other
pastors did ; and how could they do this unless they un-
derstood the language spoken by those to whom they
preached ?—(Hear, hear.) If the Noble Loa], were a true
Reformer, he would not thus slur over the evils of the pre-
sent system ; he would prevent the appointment in fu-
ture of incompentent and improper persons.—(Cries of
"Oh!oh ! ") From the Ist of Geo. 1., not one of the
Welsh bishops understood the language of the Welsh peo-
ple, and this he believed was the true reason why Dissent
'had so widely extended itself in that part of the kingdom.
The Hon. Member concluded by again hoping that the
House would reject the Lords' amendments to the clause.
Mr. G. F. YOUNG opposed the amendment.
Mr. E WART expressed his intention to vote for the
amendment.
Mr. BORTH WICK expressed his intention to vote
for the clause as amended by the Lords.
Mr. M. PHILIPS said, as a Dissenter, the House
might be aware that he did not think a Bishop at all neces-
sary in Wales ; but if appointed, they certainly ought to
be able to speak the language.
Mr. A. TREVOR would support the Bill as it came
down to them.