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THE SPX., LON'PON, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 13, 1849.

surely might be found in the present discussion, and us
they had abundance of business on the paper to Occupy
the House during the evening, there could be no difficulty
in adjourning the consideration of the Ordnance estimates
till Monday.
Mr. HUME said his object is wishing the adjourn-
ment was to get public opinion to bear upon these
estimates.
Mr. A. SMITH was of opinion that, under all the
Circumstances, the consideration of the estimates should
be proceeded with.
Mr. HENLEY said the question urged was not whether
all the recommendations of the Committee were to be
complied with, but whether the House should not be
permitted to see the report before they were asked to
vote the estimates; and, by seeing that report, be there-
fore in a better position to come to the discussion.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the very essence of the propo-
sal of the Hon. Member (Mr. Hume) was, that the House
having seen the report on Monday, should, without
taking the opinions of the Government, proceed at once
to make considerable reductions. Now he (Lord J.
Russell) would remind Hon. Members, that in the pre-
sent year there had been reductions made, to the amount
of seven or eight thousand pounds, in the navy, in con-
sequence of the Committee of last year. That was the
Proper course to pursue, and that was the proper answer
to those who argued that unless the reductions were
now made the recommendations of the Committee were
of no use.
After a few words from Mr. HUME,
Mr. V. SMITH stated it to be his opinion that the
report of the present Committee was intended to act on
the estimates of the succeeding year.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For Mr. Hume's motion 43
Against it BO
Majority against the motion —37
On being re admitted, we found
Mr. J. B. SMITH addressing the House. He appealed
to the Noble Lord whether he could not accede to the
reasonable request of postponing the estimates till Mon-
clay- He thought such a postponement was only reason-
able, and he should therefore move that the Chairman
should leave the chair.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he had postponed the Ord-
nance estimates till July, and the report of the Committee
having been now made, was no rea-on why they should
sotl.;t_
rnat once proceed to the consid 'ration of the estimates.
had stated on last Friday that he would in Co-
izitt he
of Supply go on with the Ordnance estimates that
evening; and further postponement, considering the busi-
ness to be done, might make a delay of ten days or a
fortnight at the present time of the session.
Mr. HtTalE submitted that there need be no unneces-
sary delay, as other estimates could be taken instead of
those of the Ordnance. He thought there was a deter-
mination on the part of the Government to deprive them
of the benefit of the mass of evidence which had been
taken. He agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet the
Member tor Ripon (sir James Graham) that they must
get public opinion to bear before they could get reduc-
tions made. Now, there was the barrack item, for in
stance, which he thought had been unwarrantably in•
creased of late years; but how were they t . get public
opinion to bear, if they were deprived of the advantage
of referring to the report?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCETEQUERJ.
con-
firmed what had been said by the Noble Lord
(Lord
Russell), that notice had been given that the Ordnance
estimates would be taken that evening.
Mr. HASTIE wished to be informed by h
Friend (Mr. Hume) wht ther there was any objection tn.
to
the particular vote proposed r fu their consideration;
because, if there was not, he did not see why the vote
.before them might not be proceeded with.
Mr. HUME said he was glad the question had been
in
askehe. He had objected before to the number ofmen
t
td artillery department. In the report of 1828, i
appeared that the number of men in the artillerywen
thewas
!ADD, whereas now, in the time of peace, and when
Loyal,-
e of the country was so conspicuous, they found
that the artillery had increased the number of the men
to fourteen or fifteen thousand, and yet the report of
1828 called on the Government to lessen the torce.—
(Hear, hear.) In answer, therefore, to the questiou.of e
,
his 14n. Friend, he would say that it was inapessibi
under auch circumstances, to eo into the vote without
baying reference to the report of the Committee.
m Mr. AGLIONBY said that he did not think that a
heasttteur y. of so much importance should be carried an
should leila:e Perfectly Concurred that the Speaker
e chair, and regretted that he had not
mostost
been i
unr n the H the
on the last division, for he thought it
before reasonable that this vote sh .uld be brought on
the report was given to the Members.
The as
of the EXCHEQUER said
that there could not be ti and any better opinion on this
!object on Monday than at present, for he did not think
that any 2004
would be gained by such a delay.
Mr. t-I
~ e,e,UME protested against this—it was the worst
retainte example to show tbe country. If the argument
tott..the Chancellor of the Exch. quer were good for any-
t;Ual4, it went to prove that they ought to do nothing till
let had the whole of the evidence before them. Then,
tet it be so; Ist them wait until they could do the busi-
t:leBB
!ng thnefrtehethel. country in a proper manner. Instead of talk.
sh .old do business.—(- Heer, hear," and
ialigh.ler-) 43 Members of th a House tied voted with
him' and he should be in a majority if the mere Mem
n
bers of the Government had walked out of the House
and ot voted.
pi Mr. SPOON
ER said that though he voted with the
—on. Member for Montrose, he should now tell the Hun.
2k: man that he ought to submit to the decision of the
-olority.
wu‘t
,kr. HENRY DRUMMOND could not
understandmin„ wa's meant by constitutional government if the
rity were not to submit to the decision of the
mejority.
The House then divid. d, when there appeared—
Fer reporting progress •• • ••• 21
Against it .
... ... ... 9269
.•
Majority
... ••• •••
cidettir, ilhelis‘tliEll
for reporting progress!)
estoluithdat though the majority had 3,1 de-
ewrsheivcenrehieneraeating the motion
make.the He 8 begged again to
he thought he
lw everywhere a demand tor economy—
he had Vent five months seeking fur information, and
was right in avowing his detertninstion to
obstruct the was
preeress of these estimates.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he would not use any addi-
tional argument or say anything more than the House
bad already beard. They had considered the question
before them; they had decided it by 90 to 21, showing
clearly that a great majority thought that the previous
decision was a sound one. The Hon. Member was,
therefore, proceeding with a vexatious opposition, and to
divide any more would be a mere waste of time.
Mr. H. BAILLIE asked why the information relating
to the Ordnance had not long since been laid on the
table of the House?
Mr. COBDEN said it was quite a mistake to suppose
that estimates were ever altered in that House.—(.• N. o,
no.") He would maintain that they never were.lur
the eight years that he had possessed aseal ine
that
House he hail never known a single instance of eati-
mates having been alte
dre.sde.nee the Why peedriteltnhetysee
seek to
question?
.
divide, and why did they 1.
Their object was to bring public opinion to bear upon
that House. They wantedtuge Houseetatt
was keptactsand
he
dreids.
In the ignorance in which the
not feel himself in a position to di-cues the Ordnance
theta.
he es-
timates, and if they insisted on proceeding wit
he should walk out of the House. It'the purpose of the
Ministers was to defraud the House of their time, they
Could not do so more effectually than by taking the courser
which were now pursuing. He demanded a reason for
their proceeding thus, and he was told that a week would
be lost it they did not go on with the estimates. Well,
then, he was prepared to lose a week in order to save
the money of the coutery. It was true that, according
to the rule of the House, the majority bound the
minority, but the forms of the House pmected that mi-
nority trom being trampled upon and coerced by brute
force. He thought, therefore, that his Hun. Friend the
Member for Montrose was quite right, and if he perse
eered till midnight be should support his lion. Friend.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, that sufficient reasons had
ale ready been given by two very important members of
ton.
th CoMmittiee—the Members for Ripon and Northamp,
Those sea-ons appeared to him, and to a majority
of the House, sufficient ground for proceeding with the
estimates.
Atter a few words from Mr. HUME,
Mr. AL GIBSON said he understood they were all
agreed that those votes in the Ordnance estimates which
utinadeniteenneireported against—some of them he believed
Y"—by the Cemmittee should be postpone d
litutllit:lhe report of the Committee was in the hands of
the
believed the Noble Lord agreed to that.
fa[Gerd J:LRUStieee--• No, no."] Well, if the Govern.
eottie consented to postpone until Monday a single vote
till,e)trensdeeetetimatea, the report could not be received until
neat week; a,. that he could nut see that any
etlnno.
vale
btyiropeosslop(u)nldinbge lost by postponing all the estimates
one. pee certainly thought the better
urse would be to postpone the votes until Hon. Mew-
bed in d tee peseession of the report of the Committee,
arter,verlyte. in a eituatien to discuss the subject fully and
The Hon. M.lnber fur Surrey nod said that
_. was the duty Hon. minotity to submit to the
Illy; but if that Gentl. man looked at the minority
berg ould find that a majority ut the independent, Mem-
present were for postponing the votes, and he (Mr.
_i,t,h}sen) considered that all members of the Government
54...!A1d collet only as one.—
Furu.)l.'he Committee then divided, when there appeared—
Air. Hume 's motion ... 20
Against it
113
•
tt; „ Majority
..
...
... 93
'CUE men moved that the Chairman do now re-
eler t unette
_ ,---gresa,
sibsllert.oNtih(!Wri,AtiTT aaid. if the Government were ineen-
wntiteehe ttolieg; hinateiltb7l—(Lattghtee)—of forcing the Corn-
"Se estimates, now that the report for
, he really thou
waiting live months was lying on
the table
at the course hie Ho thoug t
me.--(0h! and laughter.)
to gain ti _ h tney could not be surprised
u• Fl tends pursuel in the endeavour
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the motion
.• •• "' 18
Against it . .
...
...
• 11•"••
Majority .
8
... ... ... .-100
Mr. HUME regretted that the business of the country
Should be interrupted by the obstinacy of the Govern-
tueat.--(Laughter, and cries of " Oh. ') The ordnance
titnates bad been postponed for five
mouths, and if the
Government intended to take the course which they had
new pursued, why had they so long delayed these esti•
Inates? Having got a report upon them, the Govern
It.
Mem now refused to the House an opportunity of seeing
The conduct of the Government on the present oc-
"Bien was a proof that they had stopped in their econo-
Mica' career. He had a caper in his hand showing the
enormous increase of these estimates, and proving the
necessity of not hurrying over them without discussion.
Were they to pass them on the ground of confidence in
the Government? Such a proceeding would not be tole-
? Mei if the Tories were in power, and ho remembered
When the present Ministers were on the opposite side of
the Home, that they supported him for oix Troll in

opposition to the army estimates alone.—(Hear, hear.)
If the report of the Committee would he in the hanos of
Members to-morrow, he would consent to discuss these
estimates to-morrow, but he could not compromise the
constitutional function of the House by allowing esti-
mates of so questionable a nature to pass in a hurried
manner. The fact that in 1828 there was a surplus of
revenue over expenditure of 5,000,000/., and in 1835, of
1,620,0001., and that now at the close of the year 1848
there was a deficiency, proved that there was ample
ground for caution in voting away the public money.
After the discussion that evening, he was sure that Hon.
Members would read the report of the Committee on the
Ordnance estimates with more curiosity than they had
read any other report. lie called the present a factious
proceeding—not on his part—(Laughter)—for he was
standing up for the constitutional power of that House,
but he maintained that the Noble Lord at the head of
the Government was acting a most factious part.—
(Laughter.) He now moved that the Chair man should
report progress, and he hoped that the Noble Lord would
listen to the reasons he had placed before him.
Mr. BROTHERTON had much rather that the re-
port of the Committee in question bad been laid on the
table, but Hon. Members ought to take into considera-
tion the circumstances of the case. The Noble Lord
had stated that he had had every reason to believe that
the report would have been laid on the table in time for
its full consideration. but the Committee did not make
their report till the last moment. He was in favour of
reductions as much as any other Member, but he did not
like this manifest distrust of a Government which bad
shown every disposition to retrench. If the money
were voted, the Government would not be obliged to
spend ft.—(A laugh.) It the Government wished to
carry out the recommendations of the Committee, they
could still do so.
After a few words from Mr. V. SMITH, who took the
opportunity of acknowledging the assiduity, patience,
and ability applied to the subject by the Noble Lord the
Chairman of the Select Committee, _

Sir R. PRICE suggested that the Honourable Mem-
ber (Mr. Hume) would do well to content himself now
with protesting against proceeding with the votes, going
out if tie thought fit, but not obstructing the public
business by dividing time after time. It had evidently
been the intention of the Government, in deferring
these estimates so long, to give opportunity for consider •
ing the report, but it had been delayed longer than was
expected.
Mr. BRIGHT could make great allowance for the
Honourable Member fur Salford (Mr. Brotberton), wh..
considered himself a firm ally of the Noble Lord's, and
whose natural disposition was so kindly that he was
sometimes in danger of forgetting a certain large num-
ber of persons down in Lancash:re.—(oh! oh!) /in
one would less wish to do so, but personal partialities
would influence the best and moat honest.—(llear,
hear) In no session since the Noble Lord had been in
office had 1-sa obstruction been offered to the Govern-
ment business; discussions which, with the Whigs in
opposition, might have lasted a week, bad been di►-
posed of in a eight. The Noble Lord might
now properly and gracefully giva way, and
allow the House to read and c,nsider the re-
port. He (Mr. Bright) was told indeed that the
Noble Lord regarded the mater as rather personal,
and talked about speeches that were made for the
purpose of hustings' influence. Like everybody else, the
Noble Lord sometimes said things he atterwards wished
unsaid. Not to❑g ego he said that some gentlemen in
the House knew a grent deal about trade, but were too
narrow minded to consider matters which concerned a
great empire. If so, it was a pity they were there at
all ; but it happened that very large numbers of persons
in various parts of the country had a different opinion
from the Noble Lord, and thought it important that
their interests should be defended, and their opinions
expressed in the House by those Members.
Mr. HEYWOOD must say that in his own neigh
bourhood the Hon. Member for Salford was considered
a most independent as well as liberal man.—(Hear.)
He was a very experienced Member, and his advice
might well have much weight with the House.—(Hear,
hear.) If it was true, as stated, that the recommenda-
tions of the Committee were applied to the expenditure
in Mauritius, the lonian islands, and Bermuda, those
particular items mii2ht be postponed. _ _ _

Mr. COBDEN wished io recall the attention of the
Committee to the point that they were asked to vote a
sum of 2,600 0001., while there lay upon the table ,the
report of a Committee which would give them mach
valuable information on the subject.—(Hear, hear.) He
had now that report in his hand, and would shortly refer
to it, especially as he understood the Right Honourable
Gentleman opposite (Sir J. Graham) to say that the
Mauriius, Bermuda, and the lonian Islands were the
only cases in which the Committee had recommended
reductions, notwithstanding that the evidence of Sir J.
Burgoyne and other gentlemen, all in favour of reduc-
tions, would be found in the report. The Noble Lord
had distinctly told them that, notwithstanding the re-
commendations of the Committee, he intended to take
this vote to-night.
Colonel ANSON had no objection to postpone the
votes to which the recommendation of the Committee
reterred.—(Rear, hear.)
Mr. COISDF,N was, nevertheless, anxious to show to
independent Members of the House how the case really
eteod, for he did not agree with the Hon. Member for
Salferd in thinking that it was no matter what money
the House voted, because Government would not spend
it.—(Bear, hear.) As to the vote for the fortifications
of Corfu, for example, amounting to 450,0001, how
could they tell whether the proposition made on the pert
of the Neble Lord was right or wrong, unless they saw
the report? He found it stated, on looking over the
report, that, according to the views of Lord Grey, these
works at Corfu should never have beets undertaken.—
(Hear, hear.) It was also stated that one of the great
objections to the fortifications towards the sea was that
they renderud fortifications on the land side necessary
also, and imposed upon us the necessity. in the event of
our of having a large garrison there. The inspector
of fortifications recommended delay; the Secretary of
State tor the Colonies doubted the necessity of any
additional works ; and other witnesses thought
no more votes should be taken on these works till
the subject should be reconsidered by Government.—
(Hear, beer.) He asked the Right Hon. Gentleman op-
p.,site if be meant to say that the Government could
attend that night to the recommendations of the Com
mittee, when they stated that they knew no' hing about
the report.—(Hea,.) And it was urged against those on
his side of the House that they had not been the meats
of preventing a great waste of money that evening,
though there was little doubt that but for their opposi-
tion the money would have been voted long ago, and
gentlemen opposite in their beds.—(Hear, hear.) It
the Government had not read the report, bow could tney
have been guided on that occasion by its recommenda-
tions?—(Hear.) But he denied what had been so often
stated, that the only recommendations of the Commit-
tee were to stop the fortifications of the three colonies
named. This assertion was a proof of how much the
members of the Committee differed from each other, and
it showed, therefore, how important it was that, the
Members of the House should read the report for them-
selves. He found that in the report a most important
item was that of stores, and it was stated that we had
at this moment Ordnance stores to the amount of no less
than 6,000 000/. The Committee at their last 'meeting
unanimously recommended that the number of depots
ior Ordnance stores should be diminished, and that we
-.boat do what private individuals did, profit as much as
possible by the rapid ciromunication cawed by railroads
and steamboats, to keep on hand a much smaller number
of these stores, especially those that were perishable
articles, and thus effect a considerable saving to the
country.—(Hear, hear.) Was it unreasonable, then,
that they, as Members of that House, should desire to
make themselves acquainted with all the particulars of
such a report betore they were asked to vote money to
,o large an amount as was now proposed?—(Hear.)
Colonel ANSON felt hiwselt compelled to point out
to the House a gross misrepresentation which the Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Cubden) had male with reference to
the exeentiiiure of the lonian Islands. The Hon. Gen
tleman stated that the expenditure was 456,0001., but he
concealed from the House the fact that of that sum there
was contributed from the Loden Islands 310,0001,
making the whole charge ,to this country 146,0001.—
Cheers.) With these figures before him be quoted
456 0001. as the sum paid by this country tor the lon'an
Islands.—(Hear.) The Hon. Member for Montrose had
thrown out a wide challenge to him in the statement
ne made as to the estimate for 1835 6 compared with
1849 50, and had made nearly as erroneous a quetation
)a9 the lion. MI Intoer for the West Riding. Lsteed of
the estimates 'or the year 1835 6 being 1.000.0001 the,
were 1,497.0001; melt instead of them being 3,000 0001.
this) ear, they were 2.600,0001 —(Cheers.) He thought it
proper to set the House right on these important tems.
Mr CO B DEN asked the lion. awl Gallant Amu:lbw
if he was not right in bayine. that 456,0001. had been
voted by that House? (Colonel Anson assented.)
Then, if it were so. op in what possible pretence did the
Hon. Gentleman impute to him misrepresentation?—
(Cheers.) They vot. d 456,000/ and then called up es
the lonian Islands to es of
great discoutent anddpaisaystitsi,ett.
er qiuuno tai
1,1 at
thoset e eixtautennds
(Ch firs.) There were, in colts. q lence, arrears unpaid,
and he believed they never would be paid,—( Hear, near.)
They had no more right to tax the lonian Islatids
against their will than they bed to tax the people of
Yorkshire contrary to Miir wishu..—(H ar.)
Captain BOLDER° having been employed to assist
in the construction of the tortiticetious at Corfu, had, of
course, his attention directed to the object they had in
view, and when he heard the Hon. Gentternan quote the
authority of Lord Grey he must sty he wad rather
staggered. though he seas inclined to ask whether the
opinion of a civilian, however high his position, e4iuld
be put in competition with that of the most intelligent
and influential engineers?—( Hear, hear.) Th.. fortifica-
dons of Corfu were undertaken to defend the entrance of
the Gulf of Venice, and they were commenced upon the
authority of some of the most experienced military men
in the empire. The lonian Islands agreed to pay
25,000/. a year, though be was sorry to say that it had
not been exacted, and that 125,0001. was now due.
There was great inconvenience to the colonies in post-
poning the Ordnance estimates to so late a period of the
session. For example, suppose the Lle of France sent
home us its expenditure a sum of 7.000 L, and the Ord-
nance Department reduced it to 4,5001., the latter were
not justified in writing out to the Mauritius to sanction
the expenditure till Parliament had agreed to it It'
this sanction was not given till July, the people of Mau-
ritius could not receive their orders till December, and
in the mean time the works were stopped tor want of
the funds, and the public service suffered.—(Hear,
hear.) He must say he thought the Noble lord had
met with most facious opposition on the present occa-
sion; but he thonght he ought now to allow the estimates
to stand over till Monday.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, some rather uncalled-for
imputations had been cast upon him by the Hon. Mem-
ber for Manchester, who had also expressed himself dis-
satisfied with the view taken by the Hon. Member for
Salford, because he had said (speaking in his usual
kindly manner) that he was disposed so place ccuideuee

in her Majesty's Government. Certa'nly the Hon.
Member for Manchester had taken a different view, and
because he (Lord J. Raisell) had postponed the Ordnance
estimates tvoil the 12th of July, having repeatedly
asked his Noble Friend the chairman of the Select Com-
mittee when the report would appear, and having been
assured by him th it it would appear soon, and now,
thinking it was quite impossible fairly to collider the
report of the Committee, having propsed to take those
estimates now, the Hon. Member for Manchester said
that he (Lord J. Russell) must have some dishonest mo-
tives, and that he wished to prevent the House of Com-
mons having that report in their hands, and from consi-
dering the recommendations of the Committee. If that
had been his object he certainly had not taken a very
skilful mode—(Hear, hear)—for he might have said in
May or June that it was better not to wait any longer;
hut, because he had postponed the estimates until
July, asking for the report. the Hon. Gentleman made
that imputation against him, but which he (Lord J.
Russell) totagy denied.—(Hear, hear.) He denied that
he had acted so corruptly and dishonourably.—(llear,
hear.) With respect to the dispute that night, the ques-
tion simply was that the Hon. Gentleman the Member
tor Montrose said it would be of great advantage to have
the report before them, and they, the Government, on
the other hand, contended that as that report could not
be in the hands of Members until Saturday, the very
short time between Saturday and Monday would not
enable the H, use to get any sufficient information on the
subject, and, therefore, it would be better to discuss the
various items, and reserve until next year the questions
of any large reductions in the estimates. It seemed to
him that the question might have been discussed between
them without any personalities—(Hear, hear)—and he
should have thought without having resort to the very
frequent divisions which had taken place that evening.—
(Hear, hear.) He was likewise justified in the course
be had taken by the opinion of two Right Hon. Gentle-
men members of the Committee, who were known to
have paid particular attention to this subject, and who
thought the course the Government had taken was the
proper one. The Hon. Member for Manchester seemed
to have supposed that he (Lord J. Russell) had made
a charge against Members of the House generally, or
against those with whom the Hon. Member acted, of ob-
structing the course of public business in the present ses-
sion He (Lord John Russell) made no such charge,
nor any imputation against any Member in the House.
On the contrary, he was glad to he able to acknowledge
that throughout this session Members had shown a dis-
position to transact fairly the business before them, atni
what particular business was fixed by the Government
for certain days they bad, generally speaking, proceeded
with the consideration of to expedite it. With regard
to the motion standing for that eveninz, thinking that
the Government had been in the right in the course they
had proposed, but that it was impossible at that hour to
proceed with any benefit to the considerati Mn of the Ord -
nauce estimates, and thinking also that they would not
be able to go through those estimates and the others in
the course of to-morrow (this) evening he should pro
rise that the Chairman report progress, and that they
should take the British Museum and other estimates to-
morrow (this day) and the Ordnance estimates on Mon-
day, when he trusted the Committee would fairly con-
sider them, and not interpose any unnecessary delay.
Mr. HUME denied that, as far as he was concerned,
there had been any factious opposition.
The House then resumed, and the Chairman reported
progress, and obtained leave to sit again this day.
The Relief of Distress, Ireland (No. 2), and the
Commons Enclosure (No. 2) Bills were read a second

time.
The Newgate Gaol (Dublin) Bill and the Trustees
Relief Bill were read a third time and passed.
The Lunatic Asylums (Ireland) Bill, the Labouring
Poor Act Amendment (Ireland) Bill, and the Land Itn-
provement Amendment Act (Ireland) Bill were seve-
rally read a second time, and ordered to be committed
this day.
THE NEW ZEALAND LAND CONVEYANCES

PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.)
THURSDAY, JULY 12.
STANDING ORDERS COMMITTEE.
The following Resolution was reported from the above
Committee :
That in the case of the Aberdeen Destitute Female Orphan
Asylum ( Davidson's) Estate Bill, the standing orders ought
to be dispensed with : That the parties be permitted to
proceed with their Bill.— Resolution agreed to.

"Lent ditto, 352/., 21st December, at 4 per cent,"
"Lent ditto 1001., at lawful interest, 5 per cent., 13th
April." " Mr. Thomas Owen will be at 27th April,
1841, 6581. 25." The prisoner, on being asked the
meaning of this last entry. which was in pencil, admitted
that it meant that he (Owen) would owe on that day
that sum. There were also two entries of the receipt of
two sums of 14/. 2s. cash for interest on the 21st
December, 1841, and 21st December, 1842. This was
the interest at 4 per cent, on 352/. lOs. There was no
entry of the payment of the 6581. 2s. 6d., nor of the
3521. lOs., except that it was struck through as if paid.
On its being observed that the strokes were thicker and
firmer than those of the deceased usually were, the
prisoner admitted that it was he who drew them,
and said he did so because he had paid the account.
When Cox's books were produced, they appeared to have
been altered and mutilated, and the index of names was
struck out. The parties being still dissatisfied, the
prisoner produced his own books. These were two led-
gers; one included accounts from 1823 to 1844, the other
from 1845 to the present time. In the first book, which
should have included the prisoner's accounts with Cox
from 1840, the index was mutilated. Cox's name did not
appear in it, and io the body of the book parts of several
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cash, 150/.; and (without date), cash, 21. 10s.; total,
352/. 10s.;" and on the credit side, "By note of hand.
352/. 10s. Settled above 21st May, 1836, Joseph Cox."
When the legatees saw this signature they pronounced
it to be a forgery. While the accounts were in this
state of confusion the parties, in the course of the last
spring, agreed to refer the entire matter to two gentle-
men, Mr. Blackstone, the Member of Parliament for the
borough, and Dr. Frith, the vicar of St. Mary's parish,
in it, who met on the 13th and the 28th May last; but
on its having become obvious that a forgery had been
committed, the legatees found that they could not with
propriety go on with the inquiry, and this prosecution
was; consequently instituted.
This statement was supported generally by the evi-
dence of Mrs. Sarah Ewing and her husband, and their
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for the prisoner refused to go on with the reference, after
the charge of forgery was made, until it should be duly
investigated, and that it was thereupon the prosecution
was c immenced. The prisoner's books, which had been
impounded by the arbitrators and been examined for the
prosecution, on being produced in Court, did not sup-
port the inferences sought to be deduced from them. In
the first (the old) ledger there were a great number of
leaves cut and torn, which could not possibly contain the
accounts relating to Mr. Cox; and in the new ledger
there was an entry on the second next page to that in
which Cox's account was, of the account of another per-
son, beginning in 1843, and there were several accounts
in the book beginning is 1844. On an examination of
Cox's own books they did not appear to have been
altered or mutilated. The only alteration of any entry
was that confessed by the prisoner to have been made
by himself, by running his pen across the account for
352/., because, as he said, he had paid it.
Mr. Blackstone, M.P., said, when the charge of
forgery was made before him and the other arbitrator,
he asked the prisoner how he accounted for the circum-
stance that the receipt dated Dec. 21, 1842, referred to
a payment made March 8, 1844, and the prisoner was
unable to make any answer; he also asked how it was
that the interest was paid to December, 1842, when 2001.
had been paid in the June preceding; and the prisoner
answered that it was because it was neceseary to give
six months' notice of payment. He (Mr. B.) observed
that the settlement of Mr. Cox's aecount, in 1842, ap
peered in an account-book which began with 1845; that
in the index of names "Humfroy Cox, glazier, 124," ap-
peared first on a line; and that "Joseph Cox, Wallingford,
101," appeared second on the same line; and that no
other names appeared on the index two on one line; and
he asked what was the cause of this, and the prisoner
was not able to give any satisfactory explanation. He
believed the signature of Joseph Cox was in the hand-
writing of the prisoner.
Two other witnesses proved that the signature was
not in Cox's handwriting. In cross-examination they
admitted that the prisoner's character was most re-
spectable.
Dr. Frith. who was called for the prosecution to pro-
duce some documents, also gave the prisoner a most ex-
cellent character, and said ho did not believe him ca-
pable of committing the crime now imputed to him.
Air. KEATING having addressed the jury on behalf
of the prisoner, the rector and mayor of Walling-
ford were both sworn as witnesses to his character, and
stated that they believed him to be a thoroughly ho.
nest man.

His LORDSHIP, in summing up the case, said he should
in consequence of the line of defence adopted by the pri-
soner'. counsel, leave two questions to the jury, to which
be would require their answers separately—first, whether
they were of opinion that the prisoner had forged the
name of Joseph Cox to the settlement of the account?
And next, if he had, whether he owed that sum at the
time, and so forged or uttered the signature with intent
to defraud any one? Hi. Lordship having gone through
the evidence, left, in concluding, these two questions to
the jury.
As the jury were about to consult,
Mr. HEATING hoped he would be excused if he took
the liberty ot saying, that the practice of requiring
special findings from a jury in s criminal case was new
to him, and ha at present was nut aware of any au-
thority for it.
Hit LottpsurP thanked the Learned Counsel for the
suggestion, and again addressed the jury, explaining the
law of forgery to them, and telling them that they must
find a verd ct of not guilty if they were satisfied either
that the prisoner did not actually counterfeit the signs
Lure of Cox, or utter it knowing it to be counterfeit, or
if he did counterfeit or utter, that the money had been
really paid, and that he had consequently no intention to
defraud any one.
The jury almost immediately returned a verdict of
Not Guilty, which was received with applause in the
body of the court.
This was the last case of the assizes, and did not close
till five o'clock.

Mr. Baron Rolfe had tried in the morning three un-
important cask's which had remained since yesterday,
and then went to open the commission at Oxford.
Oxford, July 11.
. .

The commission was opened here to-day by Mr.
Baron Rolfe. The business commences to-morrow.
There are four v‘nires returned, all actions for debt,
There are five prisoners for triel—one for murdering his
wife, one fur forgery, and three for larceny.

MIDLAND CI RCUI I:—Northampton, July 12.
The Hon. Sir J. T. Coleridge arrived here at eight
o'clock last evening, and opened the commissions for the
c .uoty and borou4h, the Right lion. Sir James Parke
following at a later hour.
Their Lordships having attended Divine service this
morning, took their 'eats in the County Hall shortly
after eleven o'clock, Mr. Baron Parke presiding in the
Crown Court and Mr. Justice Coleridge on the Civil side,
The business here has been remarkably light, the
cause list presenting only four cases, of which two were
undefended, and the others were concluded within three
hours.

The calendar exhibited the names of 19 prisoners and
14 cases for trial, two of them being within the borough
jurisdiction. Five were of assault and robbery, two of
doing grievous bodily harm, two of breaking and enter-
ing dwelling-houses, and two of offences against women,
both of which broke down, and the details in each are
unfit for publication. There were, also, one of man-
slaughter, one of sheep-stealing, and one against a
soldier of stealing a watch.
CIVIL SlDE.—(Before Mr. Justice COLERIDGE.)
LENNELL V. CAPELL.
This was an action of trespass for an assault between
two farmers, who fell into a quarrel when they were
sheep-cleaning. The defendant was the first to occupy
lie pens, and, having apparently ceased to use one of
them, prohibited the plaintiff from having the benefit of
it, upon which abuse and blows followed.
The Learned JUDGE remarked reprovingly upon the
practice of fighting, but observed that, as the damage
was not very great on this occasion, it might have been
better if the parties had fought it out upon the spot, in-
stead of through the medium of an attorney.
The jury returned a verdict for the plaintiff, with Is.
damages.

PRESENTATION OF COLOURS
TO THE 23D FUSILIERS BY PRINCE
ALBERT.
WINCHESTER, THURSDAY.—Many circumstances com-
bined to bring all the inhabitants of the surrounding
district to Winchester this morning. First, the know-
ledge that his Royal Highness Prince Albert would pre-
sent new colours to the 23d Fusiliers, and the length of
time since this the woe; ancient incorporated city was
visited by Royalty, to which was added the circumstance
of this day being the anniversary of the " Domum," when
all the families of note generally attend. Preparations
had been making for the last day or two to do honour to
the occasion, and well indeed did the Wiutonians succeed
in their endeavours. Magnificent arches, covered with
boughs and choice flowers, were thrown across he street,
having on them appropriate devices. Most of the houses
displayed some kind of emblem, and the whole had a
most beautiful effect. The station was very neatly fitted
up. Many respectable persons were admitted by tickets.
Soon after 10 o'clock the Mayor, Aldermen. Records r,
and Corporation, came on the platform, in order to re-
ceive the Prince. Precisely at 11 o'clock the special
train arrived. His Royal Highness alighted, and was
received by the Dean, the Corporation, and Lord Frederick
Fitzelarence.
The Dean presented his Royal Highness to the Mayor
and Aldermen and the High Sheriff of the county, and
three hearty cheers were given.
Tha Mayor then handed the following address to Mr.
Stock, the barrister, who is the Recorder of Winchester,
and ho read it in a sufficiently loud tone to be heard by
most of those around:—
" TO HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS THE PRINCE ALBERT, CON-
SORT OF HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN.
" May it please s our Royal Highness,
" We, the Mayor, Recorder. Aldermen, and citizens
of the ancient and loyal city of Winchester, embrace with
eagerness the opportunity afforded us by the visit of your
Royal Highness of tendering to your Royal Highness
our dutiful and affectionate respect, not merely on ac-
count of the exalted rank enjoyed by your Royal High
nese as the consort of our beloved Queen, but for the fos-
tering care at all times bestowed by your Royal High-
ness on every institution tending to the advancement of
the best interests of this great empire.
" We trust your Royal Highness will be gratified in
visiting this the oldest incorporated city in the kingdom,
justly famed as being the scene of many important his-
torical events, and possessing some of the most admired
structures of former ages."
" And we earnestly pray to Almighty God that her
Majesty, our most gracious Queen, may, with your
Royal Highness, and your illustrious children, long live
in the warm affection of a united, prosperous, and happy
people.
" Given under the seal of the said city of Win-
chester, this 12th day of July. 1849."
To this address the Prince returned the following an-
swer :
" I thank you very sincerely for the address which
you have just presented to me, and for the kind expres-
sions towards myself personally which it contains.
" I have availed myself with pleasure of this occasion
to visit the ancient city of Winchester, and to view its
venerable structures."
Three cheers were given for the Queen.
His Royal Highness was then conducted to an open
carriage, provided by the High Sheriff, and drawn by
four of that gentleman's splendid horses. A guard of
honour of the 4th Regiment was in attendance, with
their band, which played " God save the Queen," ac-
companied by the cheers of the multitude. The caval-
cade proceeded to the Cathedral, where the Prince was
received by the clerical dignitaries, who escorted him
over this venerable building, and pointed out to him the
monuments and curiosities which it contains. The an-
cient College of Winchester was then visited, and every-
thing connected with that institution was shown to the
Prince. During the time occupied in the manner we
have described Colonel Torrens, the commanding officer
at the barracks, was not idle; a beautiful pavilion had
been constructed in one of the parades, in which the party
were to partake of a splendid dijeliner, and a large room,
intended tor a ball-room in the evening, leading to the
pavilion, had been fitted up with extreme taste. Soon
after twelve o'clock the signal sounded, and the 23d Re-
giment took their station on the parade, and at this time
the seats which had been placed in front of the barracks
were occupied by the nobility and gentry, with which this
county abounds, and a finer display of beauty and fashion
has seldom been witnessed. To the right of the barracks,
in a deep cutting is the South-Western Railway, and on
the opposite bank every available position was occupied
by well-dressed persons, who had been all the morn-
ing flocking into Winchester by train and all sorts of
conveyances. Thousands and thousands were present,
and the splendour of the day, and the varied colours of
the ladies' dresses, made the scene one that in effect
could hardly be surpassed. Lord Frederick Fitzclarence
and his staff now came upon the ground, and these were
followed by the band of the regiment, accompanied by a
beautiful white goat, handsomely decorated, which
always accompanies the drum-major, and which was
presented to the regiment about three years since by
her Majesty. It has on its head a silver medal, bearing
an inscription of the battles in which the regiment has
been engaged. The hour of one o'clock approaching,
the old colours of the regiment were brought forward.
These showed the wear of time; they wore rent almost
to atoms, and this was the last occasion upon which the
men %ere to look upon these monuments of their fame
as their own. In a few minutes his Roy al Highness
came upon the parade; he had changed his dress, and
was now attired in the uniform of a Field-Marshal; he
was attended by Lord Frederick Fitzelarence and a
small suite. " God save the Queen" was played, and
the colours were lowered. The Prince then went
down the lino and inspected the men. The regiment
was then formed into three sides of a square, and the
drums were piled in the centre. The new colours
were marched in and unfurled by the major and
senior captain, and placed upon the drums. They were
then consecrated by the Chaplain-General. His Royal
Highness presented those colours to the major and se
nior captain, who received them en their knees. In
doing this,
His Royer. FlraustEss addressed them, and recapitu-
lated the 'tumorous battles in which this regiment has
been engaged, He said that although they and all
were well acquainted with the services of the regiment,
still he had thought it right to recapitulate them as the
surest mole of appealing to them to maintain the high
name which their regiment had always rejoiced in. One
colour, which was more emphatically called " the Queen's
e01,,ur," was to remind them of their duty to their So-
vereign and their allegiance to their country. The other,
called " the Regimental colour," was to be the test of
their determination to maintain the honour of their re-
giment. Let the one, then, bind them always to be true
to their Sovereign and their country, and the other in-
duce them to show, by good conduct as men as well as
soldiers, that they had a proper regard for the fame and
honour of the 23d Regiment.
Lieutenant-Colonel TORRENS then addressed his
Royal Highness, stating how deep was their pride an
exultation upon hearing his Royal Highness refer with
such accuracy to the services rendered by this regi-
ment. They had heard this with pride and emotion
from the lips of the highly-honoured Consort of the
Sovereign to whom they had devoted their lives.
There were but few officers left who had had any share
in the glories they had heard enumerated. Since
the termination of the last general war, the regiment
had penormed faithfully and honourably, and not with
less glory, a long career of foreign and colonial services.
They had suffered under the snows of Canada and the
heats of the West Indies. It had been his pride to see
the discipline of the regiment maintained, and he know
well whenever the time of trial should arrive that disci-
pline so tried would be still found to exist in the same
efficient manner as when they were called to meet the
French masses on the heights of Albuera and on the
plains of Waterloo.
The CHAPLAIN-GENERAL then addressed the men in a
very eloquent manner, calling upon them not only to
evince their loyalty to their Sovereign, their love to their
country by bravery in the field, but to exalt themselves
still higher by setting an example as good men.
The new colours having been saluted, the old colour=,
round which the men bad rallied in times of den
in the heat of the battle, were marched in honour _ goerffathe
ground, to be preserved, however, so long as the material
could hang together, as a remembrance of the exertions
made by the 2.1k1 Fusiliers to preserve the honour of their
country.
The regiment then marched in slow and quick tim•
round the ground, and then came forward and saluted
the Prince, upon which his Royal Highness went up to
Colonel Torrens and expressed the gratification he had
experienced in the appearance and discipline of the men.
Each officer was now presented to the Prince.
His Royal Highness then went to the pavilion and
partook of a dejesiner, and having changed his dress,
entered the Royal carriage of the special train, which
was drawn up at the bottom of the stairs belonging to
the barracks, and took his departure amidst the cheers
of thousands to join her Majesty at the Portsmouth
Regatta.
The Hampshire Yeomanry were in attendance.
A great many children of the regiment, very nicely
dressed, marched with the soldiers.
We cannot conclude our remarks without expressing
our acknowledgments to Colonel Torrens. Captain Har-
ris, the chief superintendent of police; Mr. Bayley, the
town clerk of Winchester; and Mr. Dane, the railway
superintendent, by each of whom every assistance was
rendered for our accommodation.
* The 23d has upon its colours the following honour-
able bearings " Minden," " Egypt." " Corunna,"
" Martinique," " Albuera," " Badajoz," " Salamanca,"
" Vittoria," " Pyrenees," " Nivellse ' Orthes," " Tou-
louse," " Ponies& r," Waterloo."

MR. MAcAULAY 13 EX TEACTION.--The historian's
grandfather, the Rev. John Macaulay (who bad a brother
the Rev. Kenneth Macaulay, incumbent of Cawdor),
was minister of south Uist. whence he was translated, in
1755, to Lismore. and, in 1765, to Inverary. He was in
Inverary when Johnson and Boswell visited the High.
lands in 1773. Boswell very characteristically says of
Being a man of good sense, he had a jna admi
ration of Dr. Johnson." In the following year o 7 4
Mr. Macaulay wag translated to Cardross, Dumbarton-
shire. This gentleman was married to the daughter of
a small Argyleshire proprietor, Mr. Campbell, of in •
veresragan. His distinguished grandson has, therefore,
a strong dash of Highland blood in his reins.—lnver-
ness Courier.

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