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in idleness, whereas the object of the present Bill was to pro-
vide work for those who were unable to obtain it for themselves.

M. Giraud approved of the principle of the measure, but ob-
jected to part of the mode of carrying it into execution. He
also thought that the credit asked for ought to be reduced five
millions.

M. Estancelin supported the Bill ; as did also M. Virey, al-
though he at the same time complained of the increasing spirit
of centralisation, which attracted the whole substance of the
social body to Paris, and wished the supply to be mainly de-
voted to agricultural labours.
M. Odilon Barrot argued that the proper office of Govern-
ment in times of public distress, is to encourage and assist indivi-
dual speculation, not to attempt to supply its place. Mere giving
is but an imperfect relief. The thirty millions granted last
year by the Chamber, for the relief of commercial distress, had
been exhausted without any real good being derived from it,
whereas the organization of a discount bank in which only four
millions, lent by the city of Paris, had been employed, had
been of incalculable advantage to commerce, and the bank had
lost nothing. He himself, he said, had, when Prefect of the
Seine, found the impossibility of Government undertaking com-
mercial or trading speculations. When the watchful eye of
private interest is removed from an establishment, the business
is neglected, and the workmen become careless and idle. All,
therefore, that can be done by Government is, by favouring
competition in all commercial undertakings, to occasion the re-
vival of confidence and credit. In conclusion, the Hon. De-
puty strongly objected to the clause granting five millions for
unforeseen expenses, which, however necessary in cases of war,
was, he contended, wholly uncalled for in such a measure as the
present, and added that, with the exception of that clause, he
should vote for granting the credits in the hope that Govern-
ment would employ the funds in encouraging, not attempting
to rival or replace, individual, commercial, and trading spe-
culations.

The Minister of Commerce, in reply, admitted that indivi-
dual enterprises ought to be encouraged, but contended that in
many cases, such as public roads for instance, Government must
have the management in ifs own hands. In cases of this kind,
great delay frequently arose from the difficulty of arranging the
rights of private individuals affected by them, but the only
means of facilitating this, a Bill to authorise expropriation on
the ground of public utility, would be presented to the Chamber
in a few days. He concluded by stating, that Ministers con_
sidered themselves justified in asking the Chamber to place con-
fidence in them to the extent of the five millions required for
unforeseen expences, because the approach of winter may, not-
withstandirig the improving state of trade generally, occasion
many calls on the fund, for which it is necessary to be prepared.
(M. Martignac here took the oaths and his seat in his old
place in the centre droit. The Hon. Deputy was the object of
universal attention.)
M. Salverte considered that, with the single exception of the
public roads, all the means proposed by Government for the
employment of the poor were injudicious. He should there-
fore vote against all the clauses of the measure, except the one
relating to the roads.

M. Gauguer thought the Bill did not go far enough, and pro-
posed to allow Government to negociate a loan of 300 millions
for the same object.
M. Delpont complained that the course intended to be pur-
sued by Government will divide the relief in an unequitable
manner between the civic and rural population, giving an un-
due preponderance to the former.
M. Charles Dupin supported the Bill, and defended it from
any resemblance to the Poor Laws either in principle or appli-
cation.

The Minister of Finance, in allusion to the grant of thirty
millions alluded to by M. Odillon Barrot, said that twenty-seven
millions only had been expended, seven of which had already
been returned to the Treasury.

M. Ganneron said, that so far from the money having been
thrown away, thirteen millions had been lent on mortgage,
eight millions on various securities, and five millions on com-
mercial bills. Seven millions had already been repaid, and the
remainder was not yet due.
M. Cunin Gridaine, the reporter, summed up the discussion,
and strongly urged the adoption of the Bill.
The general discussion was then declared to be closed.—
Adjourned.

FRENCH FUNDS.—PARIS, OCT. 20.—Five per Cents., 90f. Ifc.
50c. 90f. 90f. 40c. 80c. 10c. Bc. ; Three per Cents. 62E 20c. :10c.
61f. 90c. 62f. 25c. 50c. 80c. 50c. ; Bank Actions, 1,555 ; Rentes de
Naples, s:lf. 75c. 73f. ; Royal Spanish Loan, ti4sg ; Rente Perpc-
tuelle, 48 47%; Haytian Loan, 210.

SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE-(THIS DAY.)

FROM LLOYD'S.

STANDGATE CREEK, Our. 21.—Arrived the Liverpool
packet, Rosewell, from St. Petersburgh ; Ceres, Hasted, from
Riga; Chariot ta, Forbes, from Jacobstadt ; and Two Sisters,
Clermung, from Copenhagen.
PORTSMOUTH, OCT. 21.--Wind W.—Arrived the Trinket,
Milne, from St. Domingo.
COWES, OCT. 21.—Arrived the Adventure, Madden, from
Gijon.
PLYMOUTH, OCT. 20.—Arrived the Woodbridge, Ross, from
Quebec.
LIVERPOOL. OCT. 20.—Arrived the Countess of Lonsdalc
and Atlantic, from Quebec ; and Blessing, from Miramichi. A
schooner outward bound is on shore on Burbo Bank,
CORK, Our. 19.—Wind S —Arrived his Majesty's ship Forte,
from Newfoundland, with the Governor, Sir '1 homas Cochrane,
and family.
LIMERICK, OCT. 19.—Arrived the Priscilla, Mitchell, from
Quebec.
LEITH, OCT. 19.—Arrived the Prescott, Dick, from St. Pe.
tersburgh ; and Ann, Inglis, from Riga.
SHIELDS, OCT. 20. The Victory, Dowell, of Sunderland,
has:been got off the rocks near the Spanish Battery, and brought in.

The Norval, from London to Cap.! Coast, was wrecked off Cape
Rofo, about the 12th of August. The Mab, with part of the
crew, and all the passengers, arrive 3 at Gambia.
The Charles Kerr, Brodie, from London, has arrived at
Bombay. •