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isted when the Noble Earl (Aberdeen) held eflice, end reading of this Bid last year, bscause ho thought it in-
eels succe-dt d by hip Nobie Friend now at the head of ; volved metiers of an important public character which
Fcreige Affa re ; end looking at the pre eat pesition ought to be inquired into by a Committee, and for that
the pending nego nations, it was not a time at which all reason he should support it again.
secret instructions issued to those engaged in it, should Mr. I.IIIME could not see in what way this Bill
be laid on the table. With the nature of these instrue- could benefit the public; it would have the etlect of re-
tions generally the Noble Earl did not seem so unin- Larding the flow of the tide above Gloucester, Perhaps
formed as he would lead the House to infer. The the House was not aware that the Bill proposed to
basis on which the negotiation was now proceeding, authorise the erection of a solid weir, about
and which had latterly assumed a very promising as- fourteen miles above Gloucester, which, it was
poet, was, he could assure the Noble Earl, approved estimated, would prevent the flow of 14,000,000 of
of by foreign nae ions. IVith respect to the progress cubic feet of water which passed above Gloucester,
of these negotiations, Mr. Ouseley was sent out in Jan., without any obstruction whatever.
1845, and the negotiation was commenced in May, Mr. SLANEY opposed the Bill, as injurious to the in-
and was in part brought to a satisfactory conclusion. terests of the public.
Mr. Ouseley determined to carry on a series of opera- Mr. LITT.LETON supported it.
tions against Roses, which created disapprobation in this After a few words from Mr. O. GORE,
country. That disapprobation was participated in by Sir J. PAKINGTON replied, and the House divided,
the Noble Lord at the head of the Foreign•office. Lord when there apeeared—
Howden was sent out in May, 1846, but was not able to For the second reading ..• ... 137
bring the affair to a satisfactory conclusion. Subse- Against 171
quently, his Lordship was commissioned, in conjunction Majority against the second reading —34
with a representative of France, to make another at- The Bill is con-, quently lost.
tempt at a satisfactory settlement. It was certainly true BURIALS IN TOWNS.
that that attempt failed in its purpose. He did not sue . Lord DUNCAN, seeing the Right Hon. Baronet the
coed in all that was asked. General Roses egret d to Secretary ot Sege for tee Home Department in his place,
some portions, but they failed also with the Junta of wished to ask him whether the Bill which had received
' Monte Video, who did not agree with some other points; the sanction of Government for the regulation of burials
and until these parties agreed among themselves, Lord in towns was likely to have reference to other cities
Howden did net consider himself in consistency war- besides the metropolis.
ranted in proceeding further. But the statement that Sir G. GREY said that so far there was no intention
Lord Howden's conduct had met with the disapprobation of extending the provisions of the Bill to any other places
of her Majesty's Government had no foundation what- than the metrepoes,
ever. He had never heard or known of anything which PROSECUTION OF MR. DUFFY.
could give the slightest countenance to that statement. Mr. HUME said, that seeing the First Lord of the
The Noble Earl spoke of the raising of the tilorkade as Tresury in his place, he wished to ask whether, after
if its continuance would have been a great benefit to Mr. Duffy had been prosecuted three times, it was the
Buenos Ayres and to England; whereas it certainly was intention of Government to institute a fourth action, and
a state of things which was not very desirable in itself. it so, whether it was the intention of Government to
It must be to some extent unfavourable to Monte Video, lay the account of the costs of the prosecution on the
but not to so great an extent as would appear at first table.—(Cries of " Hear, hear," and laughter.)
sight, when they took into consideration the system of Sir G. GREY said he was to be brought up again at
smuggling which had been introduced under its opera- the next Commis,ion.
tion, and which no doubt some of these Monte Vidran Mr. HUME hoped then that the House should have
parties were very unwilling to lose. But the trade of an account ot the expenses of the next prosecution.
Buenos Ayres was one of great importance to England, IRISH RAILROADS.
and with respect to General Roses, he was of opinion Sir H. W. BARRON said, that before Easter a depa-
that if those who took so many objections to his conduct tatters had waited on the Noble Lord at the head of
were looking to the general benefit of trade instead of a the Government with regard to certain advances made
partial benefit, they would not indulge in these (Nee- to Irish railroads, and the Noble Lord stated that he
Lions. At no time had trade been more beneficially would alter Easter make known to the House what the
carried era than under the absolute government of one determination of her Majesty's Government should
who was described as opposed to European commerce. be on that question. The Noble L ,rd inti-
The treatment be had given to Mr. Southern was of the mated that certain advances should be made to
most distinguished anti kindly description. The man- some railroads, and for drainage and arterial drainage,
tier in which he had been received, the way in which he and he (Sir H. W. Barron) wished to ask what sum would
was lodged and attended, were all calculated to be advanced for those purposes, and when the subject
give the greatest satisfaction to the nation he re- would be brought before the House, inasmuch as there
presented. With respect to the speech Roses had deli- was an increasing distress in Ireland, and great numbers
vered to his Parliament, or by whatever name the As- of the population out of employment.
sembly might be called, he preferred to take his opinions Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, with regard to the sub-
from the authorised communications of the President of ject of an advance for the purpose of arterial drainage
the Argentine Republic to this Government; and cer- in Ireland, it would not be lung before he stated a pro-
teinly he must say, from these communications, that posal to the Reuse. It was necessary, however, that
there was a desire—he had almost said an intention, un the House should proceed with the rate in aid before he
the part of Roses to come to an amicable settlement; brought that other question before the House.
and the matter was in a fair way, as far as the state of THE NAVIGATION-LAWS.
the river was concerned; and it would undoubtedly be Oa the order of the day having been read for the
a source of great satisfaction to her Majesty's Govern- third reading ot the Navigation Bill,

ment, if they were enabled to conclade honourably and
satisfactorily such a protracted affair. It was with the I
highest gratification that he had to state on the part of
the present Government of France, that a perfect un•
derstanding existed with reference to this affair; and
that there never was less reason to apprehend any dis-
turbance of these relations. Under these circumstances,
and especially keeping in view the promising aspect of
the negotiation, he should be sorry to lay any commu-
nications upon the table which might have tee effect of
preventing a satisfactory conclusion. On these grounds
he must oppose the motion.
Lord BEAUMONT hoped that the Noble Earl would
withdraw the motion for papers. If he would go back
to the beginning of these affairs he would find he was
in error. The object of the persons who were getting
up an agitation was to continue to benefit by the original
error, which altered the Customs until the year 1850,
and which was a source of profit. The Noble Earl
spoke of Parana as a water open to all nations, whereas
it was entirely an inland river, subject to internal regu-
la,ions, as much as the Thames. Again, with respect
to the blockade, it was ❑ot as the Noble Earl suppo,ed,
a close one. Vessels were not prevented from going
farther than Monte Video, the worst that could befal
them was to pay double duties, and they were then al-
lowed to proceed. But, as he had stated, it was the alte-
ration of the customs in certain parts of the country
that was the cause of all the agitation. He had, however.
told their Lordships that the proceedings from the first
had been an error which could not be too strongly con•
demned. The Noble Lord, after taken a brief review of
the successive attempts that had been made by the Go-
vernment to bring this matter to a conclusion, said, from
all he learnt upon the subject, he believed that Lord
Howden had acted in the most friendly manner, and had
exercised greater influence over Roses than any who had
preceded him, and there could be no doubt that all his
terms would have been agreed to had it not been for the
conduct of Wslewski, with whom he had been asso-
ciated. He was quite convinced that all might have
been settled—that England would have obtained all she
wished for, had it not been for the working of foreign
faction. lie could not seo how Lord Howden could be
blamed for any part of his conduct. lie was appointed
to apt with Walewski—compelled to act with him, and
did act with him—until the armis•ice was entered into,
when all joint interference terminated. It appeared from
the speech of the Noble Earl, that he expected the result
of all our interference to be something extraordinary;
that after all the injury we had done to Roses; after we
had acted contrary to the laws of nations; after all thee,
if we got out of the scrape in the manner expected, it
would, to sly the least of it, be creditable to the Noble
Lard, the present heal of the Foreign-office.
Lord COLCHESTER was of opinion that the great
error in all our negotiations throughout this affair was,
that we did not ,imply attend to our own intert stn and
those of our county} men,' who were in the country. In-
stead of steadily doing that, we united with another
European power, whose alliance in European affairs was
a matter of great importance to the whale world, but
with whom, in such a case as this, we should have had
nothing to do, because Franca stood in a relation to
Buenos Ayres which prevented her from acting the part
of a mediator with any hope of success. He had heard
with great pleasure that we were now about to act sepe
rately; hae we dune so from the beginning the whole
matter would have been settled years ago. Great error
was committed by our commencing hostilities when there
was not a state of war, and he was glad that in that
affair the conduct of Mr. Ouseley had not received the
sanctio❑ of the Government.
The Earl of lIARROWBY said a few words in reply,
and the motion was then withdrawn.
On the motion of the Marquis of CLANRICARDE,
the Prisoners' Removal (Ireland) Bill went through
Committee.
The Spirits (Ireland) Bill was read a third time, and
passed.
Their Lordships then adjourned, at Half-past Seven
o'clock.

Mr. BERESFORD presented a petition from the
tenant-farmers of a place in Ireland against the repeal
of the navigation-laws.
The Earl of MARCH presented a similar petition
from the tenant-farmers of the county of Sussex.
Mr. BICE presented a similar petition from Dover.
Mr. MOFFATT presented a petition from Derby, in
favour of the repeal of the navigation-laws.—(Hear.)
Mr. LABOUCEIERE presented a similar petition
from the M ayor, Aldermen, and Burgesses of Manchester.
Mr. HERRIES said he had expected that the Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Labouchere) had risen to make a
speech, but he was disappointed.—(Hear, hear.) Se
(Mr. Herries) should have been reluctant indeed on this
occasion to ask for the renewed indulgence of the House,
but for the great importance of the question before it.
He would not address them at any great length,
but he could not but advert to some of the material
topics of the question in moving, as he intended to do
on this occasion, that this Bill be read a third time
this day six mouths.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.")
This Bill with respect to its details, and all the
peculiar circumstances affecting the different interests
involved in the question, had been so fully discussed upon
previous occasions that he thought the House would ev
cuse him on the present occasion from entering into tiva,
minute details involved in the question. He conceivea
they were now arrived at that point of the proceedings in,
this most important Bill which required that they should
look at it on the broadest principles of national pellet'
He conceived this to be a most dangerous measure.
They had now done with columns of figures of the dif•
ference between this company and others—they had
dune with the ten folio blue books of evidence—they bad
done with all those minor grounds upon which the
question must be ultimately decided. The question
must now be dealt with upon the broad grounds. N°r,
would he, upon that occasion, insist that a great national
marine was the great foundation of the value of the naYi-
gation-laws. They could, no doubt, produce all things
and sell them at a cheaper rate titan any other of til°
nations; but if they took away that protection r°
which our artizens were eraitled, great injury nine'
not only result to them, but to their employer-°•
Having no faith in the expediency of the Bill, they
could not consent to propose amendments but in COni-
mittee. The House would observe that the obj.;et of
the Bill was to abolish entirely all navigation-laws; but
had it been simply to amend those laws, the OW'
sition might have made some suggestions for its
improvement. They had already discussed at consider-
able length the motives which influenced Governrnenll
in introducing this measure, and he need not say Munlit
upon that pint; but he thought that in the interva,
which had elapsed since the Opposition had indune3
Government to postpone this measure, circumstances
had occurred, which proved beyond doubt that the
grounds on which they rested the measure had O.
foundation in truth whatever. Time had shown Oa'
the great stream of public opinion was against
Canada and North America had protested
against it, as had many of the other leading
colonies, and the result of refusing the praYer
of those petitions was beginning to be seen in the
events that were happening in Canada. The House, Of
doubt, would well remember the declaration °
Government upon the introduction of the
measure, that Canada and the other North Arne;
rican colonies were favourable to it, htli
the delay which had occurred had enabled him en"
others to present petitions from Canada, Quebec, Aff
treal, and the West Indies, denying that the inhaul:
tants of those parts of the British possessions were
at all in its favour, while the same delay
had given the commercial and trading classes of t""
mother-country an opportnnity of expressing their uni
compromising opposition to it.—(Hear, hear.) Portuga
has said, in reply to the communication of the Govern"'
ment on this subject, that they would not make any
a
alteration in the institutions of their country, and hoped
that the British Government would not press their plot
on them, as they must necessarily decline. Next, wha,
has Spain said on this matter? Spain has said nothined
and be should say that if the Government loa;
persevere in passing this Bill, that it would find cons(
derable difficulty in enforcing those states to eonllnia
with it. In-fact, his firm belief was that they Wenii
not comply. He would then ask whet was the opirueict
of the United States of America? The House ha
been informed, on the second reading of the measure'
that there was a disposition on the part of that country
to acquiesce with the British Government; but he fon°
that since that there had been a great change in th.ef
feelings of the United States of America, and that
they were to judge of the speeches of the most eteia
nent statesmen of that country, it would be fon°
that it would be necessary for the Minister to Pre„;
duce more authentic documents than any as Pa
produced, before he could believe that the 'Unite,:
States would part with their constitutional advanteL
and he, therefore, asked for more information on tu-a
subject. He thought that the Government were hound
to inform the House whether Mr. Bancroft's letter has
been confirmed by the subsequent conduct of the Unite,
States Government, and he should add, that he apPr 4
advantageshended that those reciprocal would be ba.svd
on a sandy foundation. The President of the Undo
States, in his inaugural speech, has stated that he N;to
prepared to introduce such measures as would tend a
the advancement of the commerce, agriculture, le
manufactures of that country, which declaration ter
deemed worthy of such a statesman; and Mr. Wet
has declared, in his place in the House of Asserart(i;
that Mr. Bancroft should not have acted as he did 'glre
regard to this measure. He wished to hear what Feat
opinions of the great commercial body of this grf bp
c )mmercial kingdom. The Noble Lord (Lord u° b,
aceurgarteeatiensftorcmoaintimonercoinaltchoaiat 00312:0
j,
jeer,
Ls,. eai
nlsl)thhseeh
representedowuol should
ld; have
and
when that community has b
thecalled on to express their opinion, he would ask Nytio
was that opinion? He would ask the Noble Lord W"
were the opinions of his constituents, and should !tie/0
that he had no other means of knowing them 1.1100
through the numerously and respectably signed petite big
that had been laid on the table of the House front
constituents against this measure. These petitie"e;
signed by Messrs. F. Baring, C. Baring Young, err
derick Cooke, Lawson, Dennison, Small, Master, SP°°"-
and Fletcher against this Bill, ought not to be overloo4o
or slighted. Aed who were these personages?
most eminent merchants in England, in Europe,--,-.Tiorcl
in the world, and the constituents of the Noble 'tie!
(Lord J. Russell). In like mauner the most infl.Virers
merchants of Liverpool, Bristol, Newcastle, Hull, Vl' a:nit
ford, Belfast, Sunderland, and Glasgow, petitioned agalfore
it. He knew that it would be said, as it had 1/%01
been said to him, that it was necessary to relries
these laws for the carrying out the free-trade P no
ciphs ; but he should say to that, that there was eat
necessary connexion between free-trade and the re,Popy
of the navigation-laws, as they were toe;pee
indepsudent of each other, and that the Tbey
riment on free trade has not yet been fully tried. reel-
were told that the nations of the continent woull,` orit,
procate trade and commerce. But upon what aUr"riee4
was this advanced? They had interrogated I?ci eot
•
countries, and the answers from those nations
or o
justify the conclusion.—(Hear, hear.) The anew any
France did not jus:iry the expectation. From G`l.,tete
the answer was, that at some future time the ai free
might be adopted. The result at home was, that into
trade threw the agricultural and landed interest the
doubt and dismay, and caused a system of agitallYereet•
extent of which they could not measure. If theY" they,
ened changes for which they were not prepared,ago-
were disturbing men's minds, and making
them
tors. That was really the course they were 13_ obje
ct
If they persevered in this course they would be r”.',l then,
of indignation at home, and the laughing stock or. 91! e too
enemies and rivals abroad. Ho moved the Bill "
the third time that day si4 moths.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, April 23.
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Pour
o'clock.
UNIVERSAL RAILWAY CASUALITY COM-
PENSATION COMPANY BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
SUNDERLAND DOCK ACT.
The report on the Sunderland -Dock Act and River
Wear Commission Act (Amendment, &e.) Bill was con-
sidered and agreed to.
SECOND READINGS. _

The following Bills were read a second time, and ordered
:o be committed :

Alford and Boston Road Bill.
Brompton and Earls Court, &c., Roads (Continuation of
certain Turnpike Road Acts) Bill.
Commercial Road (comprising the Cannon-street Roads,
the Commercial-road, the Horseferry Branch of Road, the
East India Dock Road, and the Barking Road) Bill.
Flimwell Vent to Hastings Turnpike Road Bill.
Great Indian Peninsula Railway Company Bill.
Marylebone and Finchley Turnpike Roads Bill.
New North Road (Continuation Act) Bill.
Sheffield and Tinsley Road (Extension of the Tinsley and
Doncaster Turnpike Road to Sheffield) Bill.
Surrey and Sussex Roads (Amendment of Act and Altera-
tion of Tolls) Bill.
Truro Turnpike Roads, Penryn and Redruth Turnpike
Roads (Consolidation of Trusts, Alteration of Tolls, Forma-
tion of New Roads) Bill.
Wisbech, Chatteris, T d Gote, and Downliam Bridge Turn-
pike (Continuation of Act, Alteration of Provisions relating
to Repair of Waldersey and South Side Banks, Abandonment
as to Turnpike of Road over same, Construction of New
Turnpike Road) Bill.
SEVERN NAVIGATION IMPROVEMENT COM-
MISSION, AMENDMENTS OF ACTS, NEW
WORKS, AND FURTHER POWERS BILL.

Sir J. PAKING TON moved the second reading of
this Bill. He trusted that he should be able to persuade
the Melee to allow the Bill to pass this stage, althoegh
as he understood, its second reading was to be,opposed on
three grounds; first that there was a report against ii,
under the Preliminary Inquiry Act; secondly, that the
town of Gloucester entertained strong objections to the
Bill; and, thirdly, that the county of Shropshire also had
great objections to the measure. The lion. Member after
condemning the practice of canvassing Members, with
respect to their votes on private Bills, said, with respect
to the first objection to the Bill, namely, that the report
Bill,
under the Preliminary Act was against the the
evidence against the Bill had been published, while that
in its favour had been suppressed. He thought, there-
fore, the House would not pay much attention to that
report to the Admiralty against the Bill. With regard to
the second point, which related to the objection of the town
of Gloucester, he might sum it up by stating that it arose
out of nothing more than a feeling of local rivalry.
Gloucester was afraid that Worcester would get some of
the g, od things she had so long exclusively enjoyed
if this Bill passed. The third point was
involved in the objection raised to the Bill
of the people of Shropshire, who thought the Bill would
prove detrimental to their interests; but it had been
proved beyond all doubt that the measure would greatly
benefit them, and as the Bill would accomplish a great
public object, he trusted the louse would assent to the
second reading of this Bill.
Captain BERKELEY said these, measures, instead of
improving the Severn, served to impede the progress of
the tide, and to damage the trade and commerce of
Gloucester. Besides, this Bill contained the very clauses
that were rejected by the Committee of 1842, and he
could see no reasons for referring them again to a simi-
lar tribunal.
Mr. CLIVE said as the Commission itself were di-
vided upon the expediency of printing the Bill, and as it
would seriously injure the upper part of the Severn, he
should vote against it.
Mr. FOLEY supported the Bill conditionally.
Mr, LA.l3QiicALitti PI/Ad by oupported thy second