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ing them in the same way that other Dissenting clergy-
n 14, •

She vote. was then lgrce:l. to.
1,096/. for charitable allowance charged on the Conso-
n
, dited Fund.
Ur. F. FRENCH observed that two boards of health
were charged for, one of which must certainly be. useless.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said one of those boards was
Permanent, and the other only of a temporary character,
arising from the spread of disease during the last two or
three years in Ireland.
On the vote of 14.652/. to defray the expense of the
General Board of Health,
Mr. HENLEY suggested that it would be better to
wait until the money had been actually expended, and
"ten submit a vote in the civil contingencies to defray
te actual expense that had been incurred, rather than
us loosely beforehand take a vote on account in the
estimates.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER de-
fended the present as the more proper course, as it was
Perfectly in accordance with the sound rule on which he
actedto submit all estimates of the public expenditure to
tile House of Commons.
The vote was agreed to.
On n the vote 2 4471. for salaries and incidental expenses
,
the Central Board of Health in Dublin,
Sir W. SOMERVILLE stated, in reply to Mr. Gro-
!lt% that there wa; great difficulty in applying the pro •
talons of an Act for sanitary purposes in: Ireland, owing
to the extreme poverty of the people, which furnished no
r i_irla whatever fur executing sanitary regulations. The
11°.leet, however, was under consideration, and he was
not without the hope that, during the present session, a
sanitary measure of general application for Ireland would
vassed.
The Tote was agreed to, as also were the following:—
'B,OOO/. cost of certain works of navigation connected
With drainage in Ireland.
11., repairs of the British Ambassador's house at
Paris,

„On the vote, 12,000/. towards defraying the expense
of rebuilding the British Ambassador's house at Con-
stantinople.
Lcu'd PALMERSTON, in reply to Sir H. Wil-
loughby, said the cost of the building would be about
.";°°ol. The great expense was caused by the diffi-
ZttY of getting stone, the houses there being generally
our
of wood. The necessity for building a house for
')‘lr Ambassador at present in Constantinople, arose
from the former embassy having been burnt down in
one of the great fires thai had taken place there some
i'me past.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said there would be no end
10 the expense unless the Government looked carefully
to it, and it was, therefore, that he directed attention to
the matter.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the most stringent orders bad been given on that
head, and to enforce it an architect had been sent out to
Constantinople.:
The vote was agreed to.
• 16,0001. to defray the expense of militia and volunteers
in Canada.
Mr. V. SMITH inquired if the Government had taken
measures to throw that which was a peculiarly colonial
eq_ense upon the colony?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that a year ago an intimation had been conveyed to the
People of Canada that that expense, which had been paid
under an arrangement with the Government of the day,
w
..ould not be continued beyond a certain period from that
"tee. The period then fixed was the 30:h of April next
year, when the payment would cease.
The vote was agreed to; as also were the following,
without discussion:—
?,3001. for lighthouses abroad.
0,.000/, for harbour at Lybster—a place of refuge for
fishing boats on the east coast of Scotland.
44zi ,000/. for charges and expenses of the commis-
sariat; and
43,8721. for charge of half pay, pensions, and allow-
%flees of commissariat officers.
Mr. V. SMITH said that he saw no vote this year for
the
teommission on criminal law; be wished, therefore,
ow whether the Commission was finally closed.
Sir Q. GREY said the Commission had virtually ex-
pied, as one of the Commissioners was dead, and there
;:uld be no further application to Parliament for any
ono on account of it. The Commission had drawn up
be further report on criminal procedure, which would
iieTpresented to Parliament.
leavehe CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and asked
to sit again.
SUPPLY.—REPORT.
The report of the Committee of Supply on the mis-
cellaneous estimates was then brought up and read.
, the vote of 3,5401. for the expenses of the ccele-
arjcal Commission being recited,
The
SMITH objected to the principle of the vote.
business of the Commission was confined to the
fore management of ecclesiastical property, and he was there
of opinion the expense should be borne out of eccle-
aastical funds, and not by the public. In the year 1844
that Principle was partly admitted, and since then the
proportion of the expense borne by the Commission was
slto 3. He (Mr. Smith) thought the public should
•11°t be called on any longer to pay any portion of the
4-.33:Pei:de, especially as many, persons would have to
taxed who were conscientiously opposed to the
Church establishment.
-Lord J. RUSSELL said the reasons for the vote had
een given several times • in fact, the question had been
several years under the consideration of Parliament.
The late Archbishop of Canterbury had stated to him
(Lord J. Russell) the reasons for this vote. He (Lord
Russell had pointed to Queen Anne's Bounty as an
analogous case, the expense of which was defrayed out of
the fund itself. But the archbishop said, and said rightly,
that when that fund was created, monies belonging to the
Crown had been surrendered to the Church, and there-
fore the Church could afford to pay the expenses of its
-management; but in this case there was no proposition to
augment the property of the Church, only to distribute
' it in such a manner as was deemed the best for the reli-
gious instruction of the lay community; and therefore it
Was but just that the public, for whose benefit the dis-
tribution was made, and not the Church, should bear the
'Charge of that distribution. As the case stood, the
reduction proposed would be pro unto a reduction on
the amount appropriated to religious instruction, and a
consequent diminution of ecclesiastical efficiency. He
did think, however, that if, at a future period, the funds
of the Church should very considerably increase, owing
to ihe prudent management of ecclesiastical property,
and that a large sum should be at the disposal of the
Commission, it might be right to place the greater part,
” ;riot the whole of the expenses of the Commission on
the rands of the Church.
Mr. HENLEY said that the outcry formerly was to
rob the bishops, and deans and chapters, of the property,
under ;the pretence of church extension; the outcry now
_Wae to make the Church pay for the distribution of the
.launder. It was an act ostensibly performed for the
gal of the public, and the public had, therefore, no
expense to complain if it was charged a small sum for the
of distributing the spoil.
Mr. V. SMITH consented to withdraw his motion for
the
_omission of the vote.
fpae vote was then agreed to.
the recital of the vote of 125,0001. for public educa-
tion
in Great Britain,
EWART said' that he had before expressed his
,InoPethat the public would be made acquainted with the
the in which the sums that were annually voted for
_ue 'promotion of science, art, and education, had been
:XPended. The . House was regularly furnished with
it statement with regard to the estimates of the
'OtY, the army, and the Ordnance; and he did
s" why it should not also have a statement
upon the important subject of education, and of the ex•
vdlture of all sums which were voted for that purpose,
and
trustedior the proniOtion or art, science,' and literature. He
elapsethat another year would not' be permitted to
without such a statement as he. had alluded to
'tang made to the House.
Sir G• GREY said he had prepared a statement which
r _id give the expenditUre, the number of schools, and
the number of teachers' who' received stipends; but it
mss,
in fact, only an abridgment of the information al-
ready laid before Parliament, and which was contained
in the minutes of the Council of Education. The Right
Baronet then read the statement, the greater part
of which was, however, inaudible in the gallery,
Aniongst fhe items were sums for the erection of 188
training schools, and the supply of 164 of them with
' books, the grants made- by the Council to the British and
Foreign Schools Society, and the schools connected with
the Established Church of Scotland; 3.750/. towards the
expense Of training schools; and 1,5001. is aid of ragged
schOols.
On the vote of 1,5001; for the National Gallery, pur-
chase of pictures, and expenses of the gallery, being read,
Mr. V. SMITH drew the attention of the House to
the circumstance that the Vernon collection of paintings
Karl been placed in a cellar, a position, ho observed, in
dbieh it na::, a national disgrace to leave them. He
wished to be informed if the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer had it in contemplation to provide any better no-
"ainioclation of the exhibition of these valuable works
of art?
et,The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he
agreed with his Right Hon. Friend that it was a
most desirable object to provide better accommodation
for this collection of pictures, and the only reason for
its not having been done was, that it would involve, in
me shape or other, a considerable outlay, which he did
net feel that he should be justified in proposing in the
present year.
The remaining resolutions having been passed, the
report
.. was brought up and agreed to.
Th Pupils' Protection (Scotland) Bill was read
seentd time-
The Sheepstealers (Ireland) Bill was read a second
time

Mr. HAW ES broughtAUSTRALIAN forwardCOLONIES his amended Bill for
the better government of the Australian colonies for the
consideration of.the House. It was not his intention to
occupy the House at any great length :with the details
of the Bill, bat he might state that it was framed to
meet the wishes of the colonists, and upon the basis of
the constitution at present existing in New South Wales,
-which consisted of Governor and Legislative Council,
composed of members elected in the proportion of one-
third by the Governor to two-thirds by the colonists.
The Governor of that colony chose twelve of the Le-
gislative Council and twenty-four other Members were
chosen by the people at large. After much considera-
tion, it was resolved to adopt this model, and the main
• object of the Bill was to carry that constitution into
effect. The fiat object was to make Port Philip a sepa-
rate Government, to be called Victoria. All the other
colonies were to be placed upon the footing of New
South Wales. Another object was to establish a kind
of federal union of all the colonies for certain
general purposes. The colonists would elect certain mem-
bers to a general assembly of the whole Union, whose
functions were detailed in the Bill. Their functions
would extend to matters of what might be called impe-
rial importance. Tney would have the establishment
of e. Supreme court. The regulation of roads, highways,