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HOINE OF LORDS, I:I3',.:iDAY, ArruL 11.

The nova) Assent was given by conuniv,ion to the two•WeSt
Legal quays, -Writs of Assistance, and
Cler!,v Penalties Bill.
Paoers were presented from the Irish Chancery and Ad-
miralty, and laid s,n the table.
Lord NAPIER presented a. Petition relative to private
bill, which was stated by Lord Lauderdale as calling in
Linestion the propriely of a judgment of the House iii its ju-
dicial capacity.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, in that case it could not
be received. The Petition Stood over' for farther coasiik-ra-
tion;sill it could be ascertained whether the allegations were
of the nature described.
-NEGOCIATIONS FOR PEACE.

The. Earl of LIVERPOOL.----lie requested leave,
before the House adjourned, to-call their Lord-
ships' attention to What had passed in that House,
relative to the rupture of the late negociations for
peace, immediamly before the recess. He had.
then stated, that it had been thonght proper by
the Prince Regent, to order certain doeuments
relative to the negociaticins in question to be laid
on their Lordships' table, with a view' to some
ParliAmentary proceeding on the Subject. He had
stated that a declaration was lo-be pitbliShed. by
'the Allied PoWers, setting forth the grounds-on
which the negociations had,hroken off', .and that it
was intended to submit to the House certain fur-
ther documents to explain. The events ,which
had since taken place, however, had, .in the judg-
ment of the Prince. Regent's Ministers, rendered
,it unnecessary to produce these papers at present,
especially as a new negOciation had actually cotn-
menced, which was fully expected to lead to a fa-
vonrable termination, _ _

,Fart GREY.--'Jas he to understand, from what
the Noble Earl said, that it was not intended at
any time to produce the- documents relative to the
late negociation ; or were:they only kept back for
the present, with the intention to produce them
at a future period.? - , •
The Earl of IfivEßPOot..--44c did not mean that
Ministers should be at all prejudged on that ques-
tion, It might be proper at a future period to
produce them, or !it—riliglcv not. „That must de-
pend on-circumstances,. •
Earl GREY.-11 appeared that the Noble Earl
had not made up his mind on the question, xvhe-
Alter they were to- be produced or not. He con-
fessed he heard the Noble Earl with considerable
surprise on this point, as he conid not conceive
why the papers in. queition ',should not bt! pro-
duced even now. The Noble Earl had stated be-
fore,- that he only waited 'for, a declaration, which
the Allies were about to"publish ; and that when
that should- be received, it should be laid, along,
with the other doctiments explanatory of the de-
claration, before their Lordships. These papers
ltzrp t.z sliew, that the whole of the proceedings in
the negociation, on the part of the Allies, had
been conducted with the proper attention to jus-
tice and moderation. The declarati6n of the Al-
lies had been already published. It stated the
grounds on Whia the negociation had broken off,
though trot altogether' in such full and expliCit
terms as he could have -wi.:4l-ed. The documents

which- were to have been produced along with it,
were not paperi containing information on any
new points ; they were merely intended to prove
what the declaration stated, to confirm the alle-
gations made in that. document, and to chew that
the negociations had in fact broken off, not
through any want of justice. or moderation 'on
their part, but from the unprincipled ambition of
the Ruler of France. The object was merely to
prove the truth of facts which 14 been already
openly asserted in the declaration, and he could
not see whet real, ground of objection there
could exist to the firodtiction of documents of this
description even now. He did not mean, how-
ever, to press the matter further at present. lie
svas willing, to give every, confidence to Ministers
Which they could reasqnably require ' • and, there-
fore, he should refrain from calling for the papers
in question for this time, reserving to himself the
right to move for them at a' future period, in case
they were not voluntarily produced, while they
appeared to be material for the purpose of giving
the fullest information 'on a point which was still
of importance. He felt the greatest satisfaction at
e events Which had taken place. The Whole had had
that termination which W 45 best for the peace and
liberty of the world,. and fOr the future repds~e and'
security of this country ; with thissexc;.ption, that
it would have been better if that had been done
by the French themselves, without the 'presence
of the Allied forces, which had been done by them
while these forces were at Paris. -He rejoiced,
however, at the event. But it was proper that
there should be a firm conviction not only among
the peOple of other countries, that the failure of
the negociation was owing to the unprincipled
nrahitiowof the eneMy, but that even the French
themselves should be satisfied that Such was the
case. Even, on that.gronad, the exposition ought
to be Made, in Order to prove, beyond all doubt,
that 'the allegations in the declaration of the Al-'
lies were founded in truth. He thought that
great adVantage would be derived from the
.pro-
duction of these papers, even in that view, though
he did not mean at this time to create any debate
On-the subject. He sow merely laid in his claim
to' call for them afterwards, in case circumstances
should render it expedient to do so.
The ENI of Ltv ERPOOL.—As to the observation
, of the noble Earl,' in regard to the advantage of
convincing the people 'of Prance that the negocia-
tion failed owing to the iunprincipled ambition of
their late Ruler, the Noble Earl' might set his
heart at rest ; for, on that point, he believed he
might venture to say, there was no doubt or dif-
ference whatever: among the people of France.
With respect to the papers in question, 'he had.
, that the Prince Re-
Stated before the holidays
the documents should be
- gent had intended that.
with a view to some
laid before Parliament,
ulterior Parliamentary proceeding. The change
of circumstances had, however, been such as to
render any such ulterior proceeding•unnecessary ;
and, therefore,, the production of the documents
would be quite misplaced. The general rule, was, in
cases of that description,, to lay the documents on the
table, as the ti)undatiou,forsortie further proceed-
ing. He admitted, however..., that the documents
might be called for by any,partieulat Member of
the House, who imagined that- the eXPosure
would be attende with advantage. What he had

explained awes, that, in the jannent of the
Princ'e Regent'S MiniSters, no on
advainage
could result from the production of these docu
meuts' at present ; while, • tinder existing circuro-
stances; the prodOction 'might be attended veitio
some risk and inciinvenience. Whether it might
be expedient, at noy tine, to produce the dots.:
ments, must bet-natter for future consideration.
Earl Gar:Y.-41e Noble Lord had said that the
exposition which had been promised, might, if
now given, be attended with some risk and in-
convenience. If the Ministers- declared, under.
-their responsibility; that the production would be
attended with, inconvenience, that must silence
him for the present. He should, however, at a
future period, move for the papers; if he thought
it expedient that they should be prod:feed.
The Earl of CAM,ISLE.—It. Lad been stated, that
theproduction of these papers at present might be
attended. with inconvenience, and he thought that
some inconvenience might result from it. It ought
t', be remembered, that we, were only one of five
Powers that were contending for the great objects
Which the Allies bad ias view in the present contest.
Possibly the production of these paper's, the ex-
posnre of private communications, acid other eir-
cumstanceaottending the•exnosition,„rnight occa:
sion distress among the parties who had brought
about those glorious events, which Were so far
beyond the hope of the most saoguinebut a short
time ago, Be thought, that at the peried when
the Thanks of that House had been so properly
moved to Lord Wellington, some one on that side
of the House. ought to have said, that, so
_far as
these tiansactions were concerned, -the Afinisters
'had deserved. Well of their country. had been,
hislot,generally, to bold the language of Opposition
with respect to their measures. Bnt he thought it
more incumbent upon him, on that account, when
'he really approved, of their measures, to declare
that approbation. It was most geatifyin, to con-
template the great charactees which had manifested
themselves io the course of 'these gloribtis trans-
actions. -Among these,- the Emperor of -Russia ,
' stood pre-eminent. After his country had- been
ravaged beyond all example in history, by 'the
•Ruler of France and his armies, what'hal been his
conduct when victory crOwned„his His
conduct, bad 'been to return good for eYil. He
had not dictated to the F•rench what Government
they should live under, but bad left them at liberty
to choose for theMselves a Constitution, whic:h,iff
as well constructed and administrated.as the basis
Was',laid, would he' productive of the highest ad-.
vantages to France. That was what he'had done,-
manifesting a greatness of character; Which 'could
not easily be paralleled.
GkEY.—ln the administration of -the of
fairs of a free Government, exposure:was always
desiralble, if it could he Made in consistency with
higher obligations., )t was desirablethat it should
be proved beyond all possibility of -doubt that the
Allies bad thronghout been actuated only by just
and moderate -views. To sifew this, must be ad-
vantageous to the Ministers themselves, as well as
to the public and the world. As to tile assertion
that the- production of the Papers_might be at-
tended with risk and inconvenience, he Was Wil-
ling to accept -of that for the time ; but as to
the risk to the Allies, tifat could not be greater than
it was at the time when these papers, were promised.
There could be no danger in the production of do-
cuments, to prove thetruth of that which had been
already stated in the Published declaration. As to
private communications, or any informatioO which
it might be improper to communicate, all that might
be withheld : but this was not What particularly
induced him to- rise again. He'knew the Noble
Lord did not intend to. say any thing that mieht
he personally disagreeable to him ; 114 Noble
Friend had spoken, as if lie imagined that there
was some imputation on the Lords on that side of
the House; for withholding the expressioneof that
approbation to which the conduct of 'Ministers,
in the course of these transactions, appeared to be
entitled ; and he instanced -the oppOrtunity which
occurred, when the -Thanks of their Lordships
-were' last moved to Lord Wellingtoo. fle (Lord
Grey), he believed, was the only one on that side
of the House who had said any thhig on that oc-
casion ; and if he had not been as ready' as the
,Nobleord opposite to declare his approbation of
the conduct of Lord Wellington, then he bad very
,much failed in expressing that which lie Itad intend •
ed. He hoped neew, therefare, that he had acquitted
himself- from the imputation of having any wish
to withlicild from Ministers the approbation which
their conduct merited : but he had been desirous
of giving that approbation in the,.Way Hi which
it would he most valuable, with a thorough know-
ledge of the facts. upon which it, ought to be
founded. He joined with his Noble Friend in
feeling the highest admiration at the conduct of

the Allies, particularly that of the Emperor of
Russia. In return for the' horrible deyastation
committed in his dominions, iti return for the de
struction "of his ancient capital, he had taken itt-•
deed glorious vengeance, by a nolAe aiid. get-lel-6ns
forbearance in the moment of victory, and by
stretching out his protecting band- to the people
of that nation; the Sovereign of. which bad so
deeply injured him and his country. This had, in—
deed, placed him on an eminence of glory. It was
his praise to have abstained, even -at the head of
conquering army, from exercising any influence
aver the people of_ France in regard to the
choice at their Government or their Governor.
He was sensible of what this country- and the

world owed ro the ,Allies, and more especially to
the filuiperor of Russia. Jo leaving-France, and
looking back to his own states, it pas gratifying
to indulge the \xpectation that be,might follow,
the same generous policy,. and restore freedom to
Poland. lie knew how difficult, nay. how im-
possible it might befor him to pursue the dictatei
of his own generous disposition hut when-one
cossidered what he had done; the expectation.
might be indulged that be -might .1),.e enabled to do
a great deal more, and leave even the uame of
Washington himself as second .only in the list of
glory. The 'Emperor of Itasia would thus raise
himself a name and •reputation far greater than
could.ever have been gained by Buonaparte, eien
by the accomplishment of the most extravagant of
his ambitious projects.
Lord efiLISLE explained. He was well of Opi-
nion that the papers in question ought not to be
produced, and was happy to find thc Noble Lord
(Lord Grey) near him coinciding with hitu in

the sentirtipnts wilict, he bad .feel)ll.] tixf)res,",ia on
the 40,mirable corichict of thc; Emperor,Aleander.

Lord
.L.m.:-DERIALr, Festmted a petition from
2400 Ship-hoilchn's of the tort of. Loatlon.7l-M-
-punted-till to4uorrow. .
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