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AMF.RICAN INDEMNITYII.I4.

The House havidg resolved itself into a Commit-
tee on this Bill,

'Lord Ifor4.AND moved to leave out a Pream6le,
and to substitute another, which: his Lordship read,
-and which referred to the Navigation Mt, the Bill
of Rights, the Acts respecting the Trade with Ame-
yica, the late abrupt Dissolution of Parliament, and
the necessity thereby created for" this Bill, &e. Bills
of Indemnity, the Noble Lord observed, had of late
been very frequent, and therefore he thought it
highly necessary to move this Amendment, in order
to,give more solemnity to a Bill of this nature,:*and
to slew that such Bills were not passed: as mere
matters of course;

The Question was put, that the words .propo,cd
to be lete out should stand part of the Preamble ;
Which was carried.

The HOLISC remamcd, and Lord -WA I,SINGHAM
repOrted the Bill withotn.Aniendment.

.I.oqt lIOLLANT)
.again moved his. Aniendirint,
NVllial.Wati lily JtlT negatived.

ANi !CAN TREATY BILL.

On the Question for the third reading of this Bill,
Lord HOLLAND congratulated the Noble Lords
on the change which their opinions had under—
gone, respetting this subjeCt, Eiillet,! they had come
into oilier?, as whilst in opposition they had arraigned
the Lanidtit tue late 'Ministers tor continuing
the very:Ad which they rthve therirselyes proposed
to cohtinue, warmly suppoited the present
eheceiving it to be calleA for riy every; roimd
of exptldit-ncy. He thought it of e,.ist.:lltial importance
both to this comitrAlano the Uirited S;:ites of Anted-
Ca, that a frieniily intercourse shuck] be maintained:
between the two Countries. The increasing pros- .
.perity of Arne-: lea added to the prosperiv of this
Co):.,11y, whilst the independence a the former de-
_rived one or its best supports from the 1.1:1,1 I,!and
made by, this Country against the Enemy of the in-
dependence of all Nationfr:-:.The present ,Ministers,
whet; in, opposition, had inthitsed the late :Ministers
with repeated one:7ll9ns respectitrg their cork-Met to-
wards the United States of Amerii2a, they had now
eo,he )oto possession of till the doeuthentS which
for.re-: Itl,l iii.Vrottudi of that 'eondutt,
filij tel n) publicly complained chit, it was
to tic' pre itft.,l they could not discover' any objee-
thin ; as b they had broukpilhrwarl a
ltlr cortinttation Aet which the late Al ioisters
tho,,e!,to ii neeeslary to continue, 4 was evident, that
11 4w) t :trattrestliert tonneropposition, they thought
the 111, biiteri right.
A:44 d r, if LICST 'expressed his surprise that it
tatitreht necc.:,iiny to make any observa-
thee; oi, tins Lid, which was precisely the same
ri: leoug,rttorwa.rd in the year,t aus, Wit did
cu:...; that any inconsistency was justly
chargenhk to Ivlinistefs, in- thus bringing forward
this certainly did not 'follow that the pie-
beta, liiinisters were becessarily to change the CLW3,6
teii'c of their predecessors, When they cattle into
ofre:e, they.tOtind ,a new Treaty concluded by their,
predeeesurs with the United States of America, no
ralitielitron of which had yet been received. It
therefore twcatileincoffitYc.tiit upon the present Minis-
pv,:nt oi 11014, to.propoie, the continuance
of the trade with America upon the same footing on
which it had been hitherto carried on. He (Auld
out enter into' any diicassion
,respe6ting the rrecw
TrealY'with. America,. because it was-ttot on their
Lot4hips' Table lattt he..eould not conceive 'any'
doubt 413 to 111 Q propriety of continatic.g,,for the pre--
lit'ltt, alit till it 4 furtrier footiok,
'pike Eart of, 61111:01.x. inade.a few Ob4cl'viltiQllS on
the inaportance of the trade.carried on by this court-
try:with the United States of America.
-Lord . Lia!,4„0.4), ht explanation, 'observed, that
,the Noble Lad (Bathurst) bad plesed ever the con-
tinuatiun of the PkLt proposed by the late Ministers,
at which period the,present 411isterg, theft in oppo-
sition, made so many objekiions. ,

. .. .
• Loyd IfiottorrnY defended the condna of the
preity.lt ILini:At:l-4 %viten in oppositton, 111.!1.cqntelided
that no Miniqry mai have wished Lir:ales") .trontile,
some opposition than the late MinisiOli experienced.
Tip, reaion of the oojeCtions made •vh.eo. the, comiq
nuation of the Ad wasproposed by the late Minis,'

sters wage that there Was a N-on-itori ortatic.n
pas3ed itl Amoric3 again this country, which .ta
was now stispeoded.

Lord HO LLA no in explanation, contended, that
the lion-importation Aa. was at the period alluckd to
by the Noble Lord also suspended.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE observed, that the con
du& of the. OppoSition to the late ,Ministers had
been son harassing, and consisted of so many petty
and, trifling Cavik, that he should have considered it
disgraceful to himself or any opposition in which he
might be engaged.
Lord 111 u WRAY'S said he would, not : comment
upon the conduct of the Noble Earli, or of the va-
rious persons with whom be had been associated,
their eondu&, and that of himself, ,and those, with
whom he had the honour to ad, were betUre the.
public, and the public would judge between them.
Lord HOLLAND again explained.
The Earl of Ltuntta DALE ill explanation, ob."
served upon the unconstitutional grounds on Which
the present Ministers had come into office, and
which authorised a -systematic opposition to their,
measures.

Lord MuLOtt Ein explanation, again referred to
the judgment of the Public.
Atter some further explanation,
The Lotto CHANCELLOR observed, on the subje&.
of opposition, that there was no etteaual opposition
to the late Ministers until they opposed themselves:
The Bill was ,then read a thild.thue and passed.
The other Bills on the table were forwarded in
their respeCive stages, and the House adjourned till
to-morrow (this day).

ROUSE OF COMMONS,
TUESDAY, JULY 14.

It Wil3 ordered that the Dublin County,Ele6tion
Petition
.should be taken into consideration on the
loth of 06tober ; tina the Tipperary County Ele6lion
Petition on the t2th.
Mr. BYNG presented a Petition from the Debtors
confined in Newgate, complaining of the hardihips
Of the Laws against Debtors.—Ordered to lie on the
table..

On the Motion of Lord BARNARD, a new Writ
was ordered for the eledtion of tt Metnber for the
Borough ofßatidon, in theroonfofLord.Boyle, now
Earl of Shannon,—Also for the Election of a Member
for the. Borough of,Traleti; in the room of Sir Ar-
thur Welleoley, who bad made his Elution for the,
,Borough of Nowtown, for which also he bad been
retkirned. •
• BRITISH MUSEUM.

Mr. LONG moved for leave to bring in a Bill to
enable the Trustees of the British Museumlo sell,
exchange, or otherwise dispose of, such parts Of their
Collection as were not adapted to the .purposea of
that Institution, and to lay Out.. the preduce in the
phrchase of other articles better adapted to their
purposes. Tlie articles which it was proposed to
dispose of were Anatomical Preparations, and other
things of that,nature.
,The disposal of theSe art icleE,
And the purchases to be made with the pri.iduce,were,
to be under the.controul of a Committee of Seven,
At the head of which were the Lord Chancellor, the
Speaker of the House of Comtnitns, and the Arch-
bishop of Ciinterbury. , The establishment was now
placed on such a footing, that it was calculated in
every reveal to answer the 'imposes- intended by
Parliament...---Leave was given to bring in the Bill.
The London Port Bill was read a sf,:cond time,
and ordered t i be contwitled to.;morrow.!--.- it wait,
ordered, that the evidence given by Mr. Blackburn.
before the Commit tee, on the. State of the, West. In-
dia Islands, in the last Parliament, shouhl be refilTed
to the Committee of the present Parliament- on,the
same sub.pi:l. . - • • ,
On the Motion of Colonel FOSTER, the House, in
a Committee, authorked the Lord Lieutenant of
Ireland tor advance any sum not exceeding 15(4k
for each county, under Certain regulations, the the
serviee of Hirspiials.and'infirmaries in Iretand.
On the Motion of Mr. FosTrat, the stiott:;e went
into a Committee, to consider of the Compensat kin to
be made for the Fees Of Office aboliSed in the' de-
partment of the Customs in Ireland.
FosTeu stated, that the CoMmission Itt
dairy into the hex of Office in Ireland' had pill-
olatly recommended the extension of the Retrench-
ment and Regulation of the Customs Fees adopted
in this Country to Ireland. It became' necessary,
in consequence of the adoption of that measure, to
make compensation to thoOtDeers whose fires were
suppressed. The amount of the Compernsation to
be paid wns about t 00,0001. He proposed turai:;te
this suM by:a. tax of six per cent. on Imports. and
Exports, with the exception of Imports and Exports
beLveen Great Britain and Ireland. The- Merchants
would find. this tax less.burthensome than the fees.
The produce would he about 90,0001. If this sum
full short a little, the certainty and regularity of the
payment 'would compensate the Otheel74 far the
triilittg recludion.- He. moved accordingly that suCh
a Compensation be made. ' •
Atter a short Convertiation' bet Ween Sir JouN
Niwyowr, who thought that the. Comper6itiott
ought to be provided for by some more eqUal charge
than One that fell wholly upon forcfign'lmporti :and
Exporti, the feel being equally pall upon liitflOtts
and Exports between- Ireland and Yriritain, and' Mr.
1.4.05Ti41, Who answered the tion. Baronet's objec-
tions, the Motion w.as agreed to. . ••
Ott the Motion of Mr: C. WYNNE it waS.-or-
dered, that the Itesolutioti -of the Haute of tt t h
of February,' t 789, requiring 'that Notice of: the
Names and Maces' of Abode of Sureties for the Pro-
ateutiert of EleEtion Petitions should : be sent to the
opposite Party, or' his known Agent, was referred
to-a Seiea Cmninittee, with a view to provide-a re-
medy case in which the opposite Party has
no residence in town, nor any known Agent:
- Ott the Motion of Mr. FO6TER it was ordered, that
to-morrow the House shonld-go into a Committee to
consider: of certain MU relating-to the Tiade be-
tween. Great Britain and Ireland. . •
ARMY, CLOTHING AND AGENCY'. •

. -
Mr. COCHRANE JOHNS 1:() Ivp withllt 1
to show i praeticability ofv:!ry rt)j;iioerat:*
in the Artily Clothing and Artily Agency, Depart-
ments, rose to:move for a nn We ot which
he liacl yesterday given notice of nib 1111,CItti01.1 t 4)
fbr, and to the.prmlnaion of whicit lie did a, pit-
46ritatid there was any obje;:tien. fne preh, t ►noov.
of clothing the Army, by converting the Colonels
of regiments into a •epecies of Wholesale tailors, was
particularly reprehensible, le tire Agency beitartr

meat .a!So much unnecessary. expellee: was, itictirrecL:
On the phole he was convinced a saving of noless..
than 2 per cent. may be made on 4;lie (.20;n00;0001.
now annually exeencle4 on llie—Army. He con
L eluded with inoVjrig for the ACcoonts:---(for the,,enti,..
me ration and deSeription of which see out Paper of.
),•esterday).
Tice SECRETARY at will( liad,no of eaion:to -
the produCtion of the Papers, farther, than that the
subjeffil they alluded to were now under the Consi-
deration of the Com Missioners of Military Inquiry,
'who would shortly report upon them. The sub-
jab were certainly most iniportant, and the atten-
tion of the. Wat Office and of his Majesty'S Govern-
ment Were particularly direCted to therm, with a view
to make- every practicable saving to the publice;—
Under the circumstances 'of the. Commission of
Military Inquiry having directed its investigation to
the,inatter, and of its being necessary to go to a con-
'siderable .expense for Clerks to make out the.Ac-
Count, he put it to the Hon. Gentleman whether it
'Would be desirable to presS the Motion. •
,„
Mr. ROSE was .conndlut that bradopting,the
plan of clothing now in
,use with respect to the
invalids,.' a. saving of front 100,0001. to J 60,0001.
' would be praClicable on the sum now expended on
theclothing of the army, which was from 800,0001.
to k,000,0001. A plan, suggested by the Paymaster-
General, was under the consideration of his Ma-
jesty's Government, with the approbation of his
Royal Highness the ComMander in Chief, for tak-
it% the clothing out of the hands of the Colonels, .
allowing them a liberal ,compensation for the advan- _
taps they now derived from it. This arrangement '
woad be more satisfutaory to the Colonels, at the •
same time that it would be highly beneficial. to the -.
public. With respea to the Agency Department,;
that too had been under 'consideration : but it
was to be feared, that' no considerable saving could
be made in it, by establishing a General Agency
Office, at least none sufficient, to,„ee,mpensate, the
great convenience that was felt from, having Agents.
chosen by the Colonels thenselveS.:--4-Te submitted
to the Hon. Gentleman opposite, the'groplriety .of,
waiting fur the Report of the Committeelg Military
Inquiry. If that Report should not go.-as 4 as, the
Hon. Gentleman wished; he might ni01,..e,' firtiii:
1
ther step he may think proper. . ".,:?-n.:.' lit:i •11
Mr. WINDHAM thought it best to'leaiie. Wise
matters to. the Committee of Military' Incluiry: in.
the first instance.: Both subje6ls, the clothing And
the agency, had engaged much of the cotisideratcon'
of the late Government,. with a view' tb the procti•-•
cability of some savings upon them.- His inclina-.
• tion was very much in favour of the plan mentioned
by the Right Hon. GentleMan,.opposite, and'thit not
so much with a view to economy, though that' iiiii-''
portant objeet also would be promoted, as in order
to take the Colonels of regiments out of the incon-
..
gruous situation in which they. were placed while
suffered to a6t as clothiers to their respeetive corps.
With respea to agency, that matter had been under
consideration so long since as when he had been
in the War Office, and the result 'of the delibera- •
tion was, that no saving
,could be made by ' the,
adoption of a general plan, sufficient to compensate
the loss of the convenience now afforded by the no-
mination of his own agent by every Commander
of a regiment. -
Mr. COMB/INR JOHNSTONE saw the
strongest reagon for the production of the Papers in
tliarowalrof so many official persons. that the sub-
jeet to which he called' the attention of the House,
admitted, at least in a considerable degree,ofreform;
aed that such reform, though many. years in' con-,
TOMplatiim, was still not carried into effeCi. Pro-
bably, it he should omit to, bring the matter before
the House now,-it would remain still to be said.,
alter the'lapse of some more years, that the reform
was under considerat:on. ' •

. After some further observations from the SECRR.
TARP at WAU, who said the saving even on the
clothing Would ,not be so considerable as some
; Mr. VVtNnum4, who 'said it was not so
much to saving he looked, as to correaing the in
.congruity of making the Colonels clothiers; Land
'Mr.
,17fuslussoN„ who said that only a, smill pro,
portion of the 20,000,0001. 'expended on the Oily,
went through the hands of the 'Agents. The whole
such that, could with piiisibility be retrenched in
this department, was at the utmost 67,9001. This
thrlugh a 'considerlible -sum, wag far short of -wb4t
some person's' expeated, and,perhaps it was a savin
-not to besought, at the expense of the laconvek•
niencies that would accompany 'it. The Pafiers
AVere. ordered.
Mr. WIND.I/Alf; with a view-to the,more ccin-
i•enient and fair discussion of th'e New pilitary
System, -thought it would b bt;l:r to deter;. the
statement of it for a few days longer, when the,
Country Gentle Men would be teinrned-frikM, the
Assizes,. and when the Papeks calculated N,.,,she‘V
the ctlcas of the Military, System, which ihe new
one would go to disturb and derange, should be be-
fore the House. .

:the SECRETARY at .WAE-said, he found upon
inquiry thatAill. the Return's moved for by the Right
Eton. Gentleman, were ready to be presented, except
the Re.turr.s of, the last month from. Ireland, which
was cxpetled by every post. If this account should
arrive to. Morrow, the whole may be presented, and
, Would be printed tithe to be in. Gentlemens'
hands on Friday. The remaining Army Estimates
relAted to . the Volunteer Expences, and did not
At ea the: plan: proposed in the Last Session. The.
Returns prepared may be presented without waiting
forthat expeC.ted from- Ireland.

The Cid E I,OR 'of the, EA:CHEQUER
said it would be more convenient to bring forward
tli. proposed plan on Friday than any other day.
T 10,2 Army Estimates may be postponed till that
business should be over, though these Estimates m-
iming only to Volunteer Expeuces and some other
1113 t of, In 45 MO! lICII bpd no connedion with the
t0..1,n es to he proposed.
Mr. Witrntt.‘m still thought it wrong to bring for-
ward different matters-of so much moment on the
.same day. • . • r

. .
Ai r. §ecret:iu p. tili it. G presetUeda Copy of a Let-
frt.. fom, Lord tiOwick (When First Lord of the
Admiralty) to the Lords of the Treasury, relative to
the halanee due to the owners of the second Swedish
convoy.

LICENCES, WESTMINSTER;
Mr. SHERIDAN gave notice of his intention to
pointout .to- the House, 63riy in the next week, the
importance of interfering to corral the powers ex-
ercised by the Alagistrates in the City of Weettnin-

ster, -respea to granting or withholding Publican's-
LiCences, and the still more extraordinary 1 owers
exerted'in taking away those licences, in his opinion,
not warranted by any law whatever.
.....Mr..:FitisKisso7.4 presented an Account of the dis-
,tribution of (2,000;0001. granted by the vote of
credit last yaar also an' Accontit.of the profits of the
Lottery for -that year; and an Estithate of the Ex-
}-ellees of the Commissariat for t 4 year 1 807 .-Mr.
luskisson gave notice; that he would. move' the
Barrack Estimates in *the Committee of Supply to-
morrow.