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eluded, lie should titerelorc•, think that it 'would
bt. trifling with' the House on that great subject,
it it _Was postponed one single day beyond that
whiCh he l►arl iu
Mr. C. CiitAiiT thought that the House was not
yet quite prepared to enter upon the discussion of
'that great question. Whoever had attended the
Committee up stairs would concur with him in
saying, that there bad not bee►► time to review all
the evidence so, as to form a'proper digest of it in
the mind. While. he deprecated any thing like
unnecessary delay, he thought that the question
should, not be hureied to a decision, before the mind
of every Member was prepared.
GOLGASCOIGNE would submit whether there was
not sufficient time `between that day and Monday
`next; for every lion. Member to digest the evi-
dence which had been taken on Friday, last. If
the question was not decided in a full House, the
decision wits not likely to be satisfactory, and it
was not. possible to have it brought forward be-
fore at. full House, if it was not agitated very soon
he therefore hoped that the Noble Lord would per-
severe in his intention of bringing forward the
question onolonday.
Mr. IlowAaTit wished the Noble Lord to Con-
Slier that it was not only the people of England
who were interested in the decision of that great
question, but also an immense population at the
distance of half the Globe front us. there,
fore hoped that the Noble Lord would not hide-
'corously hurry the house to the decision of the.
question.
yr. Wiwi-imp:AD hoped that the Noble Lord
would agree to
,the suggestions made by several
lion. Gentlemen who had spoken. He thought
the Noble Lord was not right, when 'he sup-
posed that all the Members of the House had al-'
ready read the evidence. An Hon, Director, who
had himself attended the Committee, had assured
him that the mass of evidence produced before the
Committee was SQ immense, that he had not been

able to find as yet stall-cleat tilue for its considera-
tion and particularly of that Which Lad been
brought forward latterly. rfe hove,' that the No-
ble Lord would not' persist in pressing the ques-
tion upon the consideration Of-Abe Honse on a
day so early as Monday next. ' •
The CHAN CELLta of the ENCHECIVE4 was per-
fectly aware that a mass of evidence of great in-
terest had been laid, before the e..2ommittee 5 but
time had been given to, Coni:lder it fully'from day
to day. Upon the whole, vdicri he conibined all
the considerations on the subject, he thought that
the ,question 'should be discussed on a day as early
ats possible, and this n i.th tLc 'view of securing 'a
full tatentlaime.

,Mr. P. Moo4o hoped that the ~small inconve,
nience ot a. thin attendance would be dispensed
with, in consideration of the importance ot giv-
ing the House time.to consider fully the immense
mass of evidence in /heir possession.

Sir a . Pax r. observed that the East India Com-
pany had at the beginning said, they would only
detain the House six days its the examination of
witnesses ; instead of that, however, they bad
taken a month, and at the end nf, that time they
said they were not yet ready. If s.ny impressant
had been made upon the House, it was in favour
of the Company, and nut of free trade. lie
therefore trusted that Government would perse-
vere in their intention of bringing the question
speedily to discussion.
Sir 3acoo ASfLEY epoke against hurrying the
question.
Lord MiwroN hoped the Nobie Lord' would
persevere in bringing on the question on Mou-
thy.
Mr. TIERNEY, for his own part, asked. for Trbo
delay, but he begged to say that this was' bemuse
it seemed to be against,the general feeling of the'
House to postpone the consideration of the ques-
tion to any very remote period. lie, however,
protested against such an indeceot mode of
hurrying a measure through the House., As to
the lateness of the season not admitting of its being
postponed, it was all very well if the House wits to
regulate itself by the seasons and not by expediency.
Government was to blame for the lateness of the
season, because they had so long delayed bring-
ing the, matter forward. They hod laid before
the House some Resolutions, which, he said,.they
did not understood; and when `they began to
have a glimmering of their meaning, then they
proceeded to hurry the House to a decision.
LOrd,CAsTLEIttIiGH said, that by what had fallen
from the Right Honourable Gentleman who spoke
last, he understood that after all the long exami-
nations and• conversation, the House was in it
state of more profound ignorance than before.—
The subject was one which touched every purr of
the Empire; and ought not to be agitated in the
absence, of those men who tu;ght speak and vote
upon, it. For his own part, he had no wish what-
ever to precipitate the discussion, and was prepar-
ed to follow the inclination of the House upon the
subject,

Sir JOHN NEwronT thought the House had
only to make up its mind either to begin the dis-
cussion, or toipve up the decision for thw present

session.
After a wards 'from Mr. •ROBINSON, Mr.
LASCELLES, anti Mr. Masa', the discussion was
ordered to stand committed for Monday nem,
Rypett, as the Roman Catholic Bill was
lost, proposed to do away the Order of the Day
for calling over the names of the defaulters at the
last call of the House. The order, which stood
for Friday, was accordingly discharged.
111 .r. thiGus.t.e obtained leave to bring in a
Bill to insure the proper manufacturing and better
proving of fire-;arias, to prevent' the recurrence
of accidents from the barrels bursting, The Bill
was afterwards brought in, read a first, and or.
dered fir a second reading on,Friday.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX-
CHEQUER, the Curates Bill was ordered to be read
a second time on Tuesday,
•
„ lItI6EI ARMS BILL
Mr. PEEL Said, that in rising to move for a
Bill for the eiThIiIIIRItIOO and renewal of the Irish
Arms'A.ct, lie should not detain the House long,
as the subject was so well understood. The ob-
ject of the original Bill in 1807 was to preiveenctt o
int-f
• roper persona from having arms ; anci tiA
IWO was to prevent the abuse of the authority

given to the Magistrates under the former Act.
the Act (f 1807; power Was .given•"to the
Magistrates, on the , suspicion that persons
were possessed of arms that . were I not re-
gistcred,' to seize those .nits ; but by the. subse-
quent Act Magistrates were not allowed to proceed
on men: suspicibu.; :further proof %vas required. • It
was 'enacted, that Where circumstances excited
suspicion, the Magistrate s!loulti report the ground
of his suspicion to the Lord Lieutena'nt, and that
he should not proceed in his search without a
warrant frata Government; and even after he ob-
tained the warrant, he was not to execute it nn-
lc's in the presence of two (Aber Magistrates.--
The object of the present Bill was not to renew
the Act of 18;7, hut the rnodifiod. Act .of.lBlo for
two years.; He was trot aware of any objection,
that could be urged agaiwst the motion, and there-
fore lie should conclude with moving foi4 leave to
bring in a Bill to continue the Act of the 50th of
the King, respecting the keeping of taws in Ire-
land.

Sir J. NEWPORT opposed' ;the 'notion, and
thought some reason ought to be shewn, why the
people of Ireland should be put out of the pale of the
Constitution, before such a propOs;tion should be
acceded to. The measure went to make a distinc-
tion between the two countries which shbuld not
exist. When the oririnal /Vet was passed on this
subject, it was intended to be but a temporary
measure, The .Act of the 4th .was continued by
the 50th of the ing, but it was ititende'd,that
its operations /should at some period • cease.. He
knew of no reason for the renewal of the measure
at this time,
,and he thought that such s proposi-
tion came with a very ill grace from the Right
Honourable Gentleman after the tlecision'of lust
`Zr,night.
D. BitowNE was . itt favour of the Bill.
which, he asserted, had no more to do 'with the
decision of the night before than it had to dO
with the East India question. He contended that
the present circumstances of Ireland rendered the'
measure as necessary us it was. when originally
brought forward.:
Sir F. noon defended the Bill as a precaution-
ary measure. . •
S:r H. PARNELL said, when the. original Act
wits passed, the Threshers were in a ttate of in-
surreetioo, which was not the case. now ; yet this
measure went to put the whole of the people: of
Ireland on a footing with the inhabitants of the
disturbed districts in England,
Lord DY SART lamenta any connection should be
supposed to exist between this measure And the
decision of last night. The provision .recommend- '
eel in this measure cvasmot less a law of necessity
for the preservation of the peace than •of hutnanity
and mercy. •
General HART asserted the measure to fall short
of that which was necessary.. 'He and other Ma-
giStrates 'had known of arms being concealed for
the worst of purposes, without tieing able to seize
them under the act.

Mr. SlftsW said the general sense of the country
Was, that this Act wits rather too lenient. lit
tupuld vote for the motion.
Mr. Rocimottp spoke on the same side.
Mr. Lrrrt.nTox thought the measure peculiar.
ly 11CCeStifIrV at the present time.
Sir .1, istitwportT said, the purpose for which he
had arisen had been answered, as various Mem-
bers had blared disturbances to prevail in Ireland,
which rendered the Measure necessary. A Tea-
son.being given to justify, the House in adopt-
ing' this Bill, he should withdraw all opposition
to it.

1 , Mr. P. Moonx opposed the motion, and con-
tended no ground was laid for resorting to the
measure proposed. -
Mr. -oDe.t.t spoke' infavour, of the motion.-
Mr. Nu, said-, he should not have troubled
the House again, if it had not been for the insr,
filiation that -this motion • had some connexion
with .the subject debated the night before. -What
connexion was there between them ? The Bill
which he had moved to continue, would expire
in the course of the present Session; and he had
given iuttice of this motion several days ago:
therefore, could the two; subjects be eon.
nected Why libel any body of men by supposing,
that this Bill was intended to. apply partieelarly
to tiny part of the Ling.'s subjects lie disclaimed
ter iiiiiiscif'any such intentions or objects. • lie
had,not entered into any detail-when he moved
'for the Bill, hecatise he thought.it better that the
grounds of it should.come from the Representa-
tives of Ireland, who
:were acquainted with the
state of the country, than Irons limn.. If the coo-
tinuanee. of this measure was likely to create
tatiOn, that irritation was
,most likely to be al-
layed by seeing it ;vas recommended 1)3( Gentle-
men 'on different sides of the House, and Of (bile-
rent political Opinions.' The ',Right, Hon. Ba-
ronet had 'said, that it Would he necessary to
slew some grounds why the people of Ireland
were to,be put out of the pale of the 'constitu-
don. Now, bow were they put -out 'of the pale
of the constitution ? Why, .by an Adt which re-
, quires all persons to register their arms before
a Megistrete. The Ac't Of 1807 was not only, aS
he had-said, much stronger than the present one,
-hut it was accompanied by the Insurrection Act,
which empowered the Lord Lieutenant:to pro-
claim districts, and to put them. alinogt in a state
n
'of martial law. That Act was o longer ireexist-,
ence. He was asked what proof* of disaffection
he had to produce ? He had none, lie did not
propose this Bill for' til6 .1.)1otectioll of Govern-
ment; but for the protection of the lower 'orders
of.tarmers, who :had been exposed to the -most
dreadful outrages. The great object of this Bill
was to..enabie- the civil power to enforce the law
without the alit of the military ; an object which,
he should have thought, would have met with the
approbation 'of those who ;professed to be suck
friends of the Constitution. It was-very Well known
that there was iterilany ports of Irelabil a disposition
to outrage, which it was difficult to controut; but
lie
would, if Gentlemen required it, statesOme of the
grounds upon which be had made this niotion.---.
Mr, Vett, then proceeded to read solve letters,
containing details of outrages committed in dif-
fereut parts of Itio.e,lsalin,dl.tnoAntttaic4ittiltieirtihellet,l3sllodta4r,neileiri_i
tnieker;ewnoturtendlet:lbetke keeper, and sacceeded in rescu.