The Sun.
London, England, 1849-02-02 00:00:00

lfho said, "With how little wisdom a nation may be governed."
MY observations tor the last few years have led me t
the conclusion, not exactly
similarbut analogous to that
remark; and if ever I should be blessed with offspring, in-
stead of using the words of the Swedish statesman, I would
rather address my son in this way—" My son, see with how
much ignorance you can agitate a nation."—(Great, cheering
and laughter.) Yes! but the Queen's Ministers are truckling
te these men.—(lmmense cheering from the Protectionists.)
That is the position of affairs.—(Renewed
Battle quarter.) Her Majesty's Ministerscheers from the
have yielded to
Public opinion. Public opinion on the Continent 'has turned
voice out to be the of secret societies, and public opinion in
England is the voice and clamour of organized clubs.—
Cheers from the Protectionists.) Her Majesty's Ministers
have yielded to public o' does .who is
pinion as a tradesman
°strayed in an ct of overcharge—he yields to public opinion
"hen he takes a less sum. So the financial. affairs of this
country are to be arranged, not upon
or from any imperial considerations, pbruletebiplceasuesfehtihgehrepoisliae3n
holy pressure from a minority which demekanndoswitt,haantdtwhhe3o.
bilave a confidence of success because they
have alread beaten two
Pinion is stronger truth,ParcicmoerdinMe" / . than ntios t
se rosp.
—ho(CClehse;erbVt
eta inclined to prefer truth, and particbulartlhyerwef,hlerne dleaslhinalgl
loth her Majesty's Administration, and.
vote
al ve an amendment.—(Loud and coanretineauleidedelizrnintgo.%),
lonestly believe that the Address wes
opinion to the Throne
does not give a candid and ingenuoou
I have drta
riv as to the present condition of the ountry.
uP an amendment, couched in no
an honest andfair
spirit, but which I do believe doesporvteisan or infiamma o
representation of the present aspectgi_owf aoffrdasirsoftohtishepTohpr?osnee.d.
(The lion. Member here read the
her Majesty that n
' amendment, to the effect that the House regrets thateiittheirs
cerepelled humbly to represent to
bet iir
or corn-
the- "'aiesty's relations with foreign powers, nor the state of
revenue, nor the conditioniofastheo mannfaicttuinreasddressing
filierce of the country, are such as
00tn justifygratulation ; and thathae
ter Majesty in the language
eage portion of the agriculturalandofeoplroongiarelsisnivteeredsetpsreosfsiton,
empire are labouring under a state
That is the amendment eslculed to excite serious P ehension and anxiety.)
beg to propose. I have lno-
ticed the crude and
Ispee,ilat
not only because lions that are afloat,
hostile speculations
specially respecting financial reform,
dangero.us to the country, not only
c4aßisler them to be very
because, according to rumour, tney have converted the Go-
''erntnent but because avowedly on the part of their pro-
only tending to ultimate efforts
pro-
mulgators
gators
cheers.) they are This I must say of the new revolu-
,. o
wonary movement, that its proceedings are characterized by
frank
audacity. They have already menaced the Church,
and they have scarcely
"spared the Throne.—(Renewed
`leers.) - They have denounced the constitutional estates of
e realm as antiquated and cumbrous machinery, not
adapted to the present day. No doubt, for the expedition of
business, the Financial Reform Association presents
.greater
facilities than the House of Commons. It is true that it may
be long before there are any of those collisions of argument
and intellect among them which we have here; they have
no discussions and no doubts; but still I see no part ..of the
go-a-bead system which is likely
institutions; and
the sagacity
and matured wisdom of Englishand so long
*a the English Legislature is the chosen temple of
free discussion, I have no fear, whatever party may
ihe in power, that the people of England will be in
' avour of the new societies.—(Hear, hear.) I am per-
fectly aware of the difficulties which we have to encounter
la this struggle. lf I were to listen to the traditionary
Petty, and prudential reasons which regulate Parliamentary
proceedings in ordinary times, I should probably be led to
Believe that in moving an amendment to the address I was
acting an unwise part. But I believe the amendment to be
instified b facts- (Cheers)—and it is to the country I ad-
dress myself in doing, in this instance, what I conceive to be
LaY duty. I know very well the difficulties which we have
Non--,ceges which illumine the distance. The
gGentleman who is the chief originator of this move-
nlent made a true observation when he frankly and freely
lint
that the best chance for the new revolution lay in the
eislocation-of parties in this House.--(Hear, hear.) I told
Youthat when I ventured to address some observations to
the House almost in the last hour of the last session, I saw
the difficulty which such a state of things would inevitably
Prod But let us not despair; we have a duty to per-
„ono
' and, notwithstanding all that has ocrcursrteadn,dwheehreavtoe
ar,t,,ilLl the inspiration of a great cause. N‘ e . .
uphold not only the throne, but the. empire; to vindicate the
Icieustrial privileges of the working classes • to reconstruct
la colonial system • to uphold the Church, no' longer assailed
tarn the clauses, but by vizored foes, and to main-
tel4-res e majesty of Parliament against the Jacobin man-
-44, of Lancashire.—(Continued applause.) This is a
~
my tn not lightly to be lost. At any rate, I would sooner
a'agire were palsied before I counselled the people of
waoligiTisd to lower their tone.— (Renewed cheers.) Yes,l
the saner quit this House for ever than I would say to
thef E.ngland that
.they overrated their position. I
the that delicate Intimation to the fervent patriotism of
th .gentlemen of the new school. For my part, I denounce
etr Politics, and I deny their predictions ; but I do so be-
!ideause I have faith in the people of England ; in their genius
ia their industry.—(The Hon. Gentleman resubmenecd
es:
''eant, amidst vehement applause from the Opposition ,
__ h )
-the amendment having been read by the SPEAKER.
Mr it
mentt--- GRATTAN rose and said, that he had an amen. d-
that 0 propose which, as it related to a paragraph preceding
I._ upon which the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. D'sraeli) had
amend-
) moved an amendment, would require to be puti first. The
41'endeseiat he intended to propose referred to the paragraph
re ating to Ireland—which he regarded as an insult to
.nh.
Wasl°l3le of that country. The insurrection in Ireland—wesi ha
alluded to so gravely in her Majesty's Speech-7%,
0,
.den
ock insurrection. There was not a single particl t e against the persons who had been apprehendedheoh. under the Act suspending the Habeas Corpus l aT:I With
Jetted to the proposed continuance of that suspension.
48Pect to that passage in the Speech relating to the Irish
1.!0,or-law, it could not be acceded to by any Member
no wished well to his country. There was no use
Irish.a-
in
Fit
roon.tiug a Committee to inquire into the law—ereit
super-
Bedellchat
entirely. The Irish proprietors were
He admitted
in the management of their own affairs.
ulat
they had a well-intentioned Lord-Lieutenant, but the
!ntended that the lives and property of the people obuogw.
ever
to be
Placed at the mercy of a Lord -Lieutenant,,
Ire-
that
well-intentioned. Why had they covered
so
thiladt. With an army of spies and deteeltreetO„-er
With- a gentleman could not ascend an
2o
Where
Iv 011 t being watched with sus ia -
...'s there any proof of this pretended Irish Jpieecb_ellliosneec aniTohicir,e_
ruaa the list of the killed and wounded?
fired.
h d
;ran rrection. He had heard no shot He would be
kk and candid with them, and.a
ootncuep
.t,etlal
ptuhte
dGe
wo vnetr
hn
e-
t meet that this rebellion had beenl
l:P,eal question. The clergy of .
.rslanbduthmadhebneeon,Botrtien
ficead-
,ated as disaffected and sechtioures,
tc l
teor gy
that m agdeen
gentle
the
..°
the country in order to escapar
HOPI- retire to their homes. With rsetstphece
him, but he
;:an, he could not prevent theeolefo flowing
M
•ahed to know why he as prosecuted, when r. O'Connell
Iv
1, as allowed to assemble 500,000 men on the bill of Tara?
-• was not till ly they had heard of pensioning the Roman
eetholic clergy. late
Why did they seek to do so ? It could
,nhet be to make them loyal, for they were loyal at Ballingary.
,_O, they wanted to bind the clergy fast—they wanted to at-
ileb them to the Governmeut of the day, and to give them,
flaet salary for their religious, but pay for their political duties.
l'eY had bullied the Prote-tant,' they hadbeggared the
iiatholic, and now they were going.to buy the b
priest. The
ts". Gentleman concluded words 11%,,ing,na,s an amendment to
' arts of Europe,"
the Address, that after the
11e words, " the disturbance in Irelannd'ads not been renewed,
but
a feelin of discontent, augmented by the distress of the
1-I.°Ple •which it shall be our duty to watch, and
as
8... e,. stilexists,
0 edily as possible to remedy."
He must
• J O'CONNELL seconded the amendment. liss's, J.
1 label -e, however, that he entirely approved of the
.doctrine..
siLia down by the Government with respect to Sicily, in
Zaost-I,'`),w, lu that she had a fair
was-boundclam to a native Legislature;
tl, et the same time, she
adopted
the golden link of thieCrown. They should haven g
a er, rs
ea Zproifple with respect to Ireland, inste f
n. ki
Power which
the last insurrection to renew .an arbitrary
m Irelangefhorwtbase sought to con-
msaernaentptorivsiluepgpersesassatheeoynshtiatdutional agitation
fey
con-
done coteerl, Y• Re acknowledged that Lord Clarendon had
Of the
norgtood act, in refusing to arm. the Orangemen
but
Isonortrate
..selection
h against the Roman Catholics of theasnouut,
in every other respect his Lordship had been f
_re-
tor the Government o I
Ire-
most t Admitting all they said of him to be true, itl wasTe
bods unconstitutional to ask the House to deprive a, large
Qj her Majesty's subjects of their rights because h
al3e'eesr,riment felt confidence in the Lord-Lieutenant. The
He I
watn'endatluded to a reduction of their military forces.
e House that if they pursued their present
.poliocsy. ta?bwieards Ireland a reduction of the estimates must be imp 1
ec,o' and that they must still continue to keep an army of
11,01,4Peastillosispeinnspat unfortunate country. To any continuance
n of the Habeas Corpus Act he would offer
?... mostl determined and unabated opposition, and he cared
'vuatri vhether he was accused of being factious or not when he
wan` -sing in defence of his country. That Act was the most
6,4 an saet of tyranny ever inflicted on a people. The
e,.;`,",n; alluded to a committee on the Poor-laws. What
1,,i.c1.1ee the use of that? They would meet most probably
8,.!
she
rst, and end their labours with the last week of the
b,"'o , fast, the result -would be a blue book to
o.a. added to the hundreds of similar documents
I,4'oorh: ' condition of Ireland. The effect of Abet
ar worswe than wettde .b e
extremistte doPert
If a poor-ltew were or
ipnaegsaof
Louis
Blanc. u ism
But,
rnestainttained, the resident proprietor, who
did his duty on his
Bible, while the absena e,
should be spared as much as pos-
atitlee.s, there' was another 800Uut tfroombe doublywhiol thetaxed.
po poor
rßeo-fi
4. lad might receive relief. The revenue of the Church of
England in Ireland was taken from the Catholic Church.
the Catholics did not wish to see that revenue
.restored, but
lee revenues of the Church at the earliest time had been
pmeelTrpoteed to the support and relief of the poor, and to that
existisoe they might again be applied after the termination of
to be gsnterests. Something like this would finally have
eX.tr adopted, though it might now be designated as an
istenserne.and wild scheme. Another measure the Govern-
bum „would be obliged to pass, and that was a exercise forf
b„,,"fs the only real stimulant for the . o
tii"a`4 ludustry—security to a man in the possession
is_
sae fruits of his own industry. The relations between
t'husr'srd. and tenant ought to be properly settled, and
ot.
,go- they had shown by the introduction of measures
aaen`ne. subject, that they were not blind to its imports
Iles2 3°t they had neglected to regulate those relations.
bts_vohiplained that the Ministry bad not come forward with
13:(;811)-ieresi of relief for Ireland. Since the union that country
there gradually sinking—yet, if justice were only done,
also, mold be peace in Ireland, and the military establish-
aid ,i's might be reduced. He thanked the seconder of the
.11, (tress his kind expressions towards Ireland, and called
tt!'°nilirn and other English gentlemen not 'to allow Ireland
s, suffer-the degradation and insult involved in the adoption
aL measures of coercion.
bier' W. FAGAN said, that though he was one of those
n struggle
repreSentatives
their who would prefer to see his countrymen
through difficulties supported by their own
resources rather than that they should come like mendicants
to Parliament, still he knew that the state ofseveral districts
in Ireland:was such that the property of the strict was in-
property
capable of supporting the poor at the present
a couldlo in-
moment,
en'
and
that 20s. in the pound on the
respect Aoeratieier
Irish
sufficient for the purpose. With
~ri'lli Poor-law, be differed from the Ron. 01. Limerick, for he thought that inquiry was required
into that system; and it would he inconsistent on
aft of those Irish Members who called for that in inquiry
the
Year, to come down in the present and declare
that t last
hey
iliciflot want it. He was for continuing the system of poor-laws,
nt he was also in favour of making it more effective for the
Protection of the poor and the prevention of destitution. They
bad been always told that agitation was the bane of Ireland,
an that the moment agitation ceased the British Parliament
"°‘.l4 consider the social evils of Ireland with a view to their
knelMration. Well, he asserted that agitation in Ireland was
at
l's resent dead, and the Government, instead of applying for
;Pa- Measures of coercion, ought to have proposed measures
"•arrielioration. He admitted that -Lord Clarendon had use
(iq Powers committed to him with great moderation, but he
last' l'agan) was not inclined to give his confidence to Lori
th Sendon as long as that nobleman persisted in upholding
geiarY system in Ireland, which was a jury-packing system.
fop liliC
Lo A
an
rs 4 J. RUSSELL—The Hon. Gentlem the Member
all4O (4ri Di4Z4Oll), yil49 PPM fire iA