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was, whether it was intended to make any alteration in the
timber duties, or in the mode of measurement ?
Mr. P. THOMSON said there was no intention to pro-
pose any alteration in the timber dutieE3 or in the mode
measurement.

HAND-LOOM WRAVERS' BILL—CUSTOMS
ACTS:
Mr. MAXWELL hoped that he Migl.t now be Illdwed
to bring on the question of the scuend tea-ling: of the
Hand-Loom Weavers' lull.
Mr. WAROOktOnI- and Mr. FoRBEs pressed the pro-
eetdinit with the Bill. 800,000 persons were anxiottsl
t-Xpecting the decision of the Legislature on the subject.
On the suggestion of Mr. P. THOMSON, however,
the House resolved itself into a Committee on the Cus-
toms Acts. Several resolutions were agreed to, and the
House having been resumed, the report was ordered to be
received to-morrow.
HAND-LOOM WEAVERS' BILL —ESTA•
BLISHED CHURCH BILL.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the Order of the
Day for the House to itself into a Committee on the Es-
tablished Church Bill.
Mr. MAXWELL renewed his solicitations to be per-
mitted to move tine second reading of the Hand-loom
Weavers B;r,.
Lor, -JOHN RUSSELL, however, on the ground of its
17.c.ing understood that on sueh days as that Government
Orders of the Day should have precedence, persevered in
his motion.
Mr. MAXWELL then moved, as an amendment, that
the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Hand-
loom Weavers Bill be read.
The House divided—
For the amendment..
Against it

65

Majority
On our return to the gallery we found
Mr. JERVIS moving, " That it be an instruction to the
Committee on the Established Church Bill that they have
power to receive a clause that no clergyman not fully con-
versant with the Welsh language bcrappointed to any see
or benefice in the Principality."
Colonel L. P. JONES seconded the motion.

Lord J. RUSSELL must oppose the motion.
. _ _

Sir R. PEEL said that as the principle of. the Hon.
Member's proposition was fully recognised by the House,
be thought it would be better for the Hon. Member not to
press the motion to a division, which might leave him in a
minority, and thus lead •to an erroneous inference being
adopted by the Welsh people. There was ,no doubt but
that the Bishops would take care to carry out the principle
in question in the cases of all Welsh ministers without any
legal provision to such an effect.
After a few words from Mr. Wynn, Mr. Guest, Mr. Rice
Trevor, Lord .G. Somerset, and Mr. Chisholm, the House
divided for the motion—
Ayes .

Noes .

64
Majority
The House then resolved itself into Committee.

On clause 10 being read,
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Mr. LAMBTON moved as a proviso that no portion
of the revenues of the see of Durham be devotedto other
ecclesiastical purposes until provision is made for the spiri-
tual wants and moral instruction of that diocese had been
adequately provided for out of those revenues.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought that his Hon. Friend
was mistaken as to the affect of the Bill. When he ad-
dressed the House on the subject of this measure on a
former occasion, he stated that there would be a sum of
money derived from the bishoprics, as well as about
129,0001. from the suppression of certain dignitaries in the
Church, which surplus was to be devoted to the increase of
the incomes of the holders of the smaller benefices and to
the promotion of the religious instruction of the people. In
the diocese of Durham there were some rich canonries, the
holders of which had no duties to perform beyond that con-
nected with the cathedral. It was proposed by the Com-
missioners that after provision had been made for the service
in the cathedral, that the remainder of the revenues of these
dignitaries should be applied to the increase of the incomes
of the holders of the poorer incumbencies, and otherwise
to the making provision for the religious instruction of the
people. There were undoubtedly many populous places
in Durham where there was not at present adequate
provision of the latter kind ; but when he stated that the
surplus accruing in this way was to be devoted to the ob-
jects which he had described, it was not fair to suppose that
no care had been taken to provide for the religious instruc-
tion of the inhabitants of the diocese of Durham. He denied
that one of the chief objects of the Bill was to take a consi-
derable proportion of the revenues of the see of Durham
away, with a view of creating two new bishoprics. There
were certainly to be two new bishoprics, but these were to
be created in subtitution of two others in a different part
of the country which were to be suppressed. In short, it
was proposed that there should be a new territorial distri-
bution of the dioceses. The Commissioners proposed to
do away with what had been long a reasonable source of
complaint—that such rich bishoprics existed in one part
of the country which might be contrasted with such poor
ones in other districts—that to one bishopric there was
annexed a superfluity of income which was not justifiable,
while to another bishopric, in order to afford an adequate
revenue, they were obliged to annex some prebendship or
other office of dignity, or a benefice which then often had
not proper care devoted to it. He felt the wants of the
holders of benefices in the diocese of Durham ; but when
the Commissioners stated that they should by the ar-
rangement now proposed be able to increase the revenues
of those populous parishes, and to administer to the in-
struction of the people, he did not think that it would be
proper or expedient to stop at the threshold, as was pro-
posed by his Hon. Friend, and to make an essential alte-
ration in the plan for the benefices of the diocese of Dur-
ham. He could not help observing that if they at °nee
proceeded to apply themselves to the wants of each local
case, and to the spiritual demands of each benefice, that
the result would be that the plan of Church Reform now
proposed, or any other which was likely to be proposed,
would not be successful, and the hopes of those who now
anticipated a beneficial change in the Establishment would
be disappointed.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. ARTHUR TREVOR contended that adequate
attention had not been paid to the wants of the population
of this large and important diocese.