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BILL

The EIJI of GLENGALL brought in a Bill for the
better a,hcainistratiun of justice in Courts of Equity in
Ireland.

ITALY.

The Earl of ABERDEEN asked when the papers re-
lating to the war in the north of Italy would be pre-
sented ?

Lord EDDISBURY cf,tticl not fix a day.
The Earl of ABERDEEN said that the Noble Mar-
quis had three months ago promised them. There
would have been no difficulty in producing them months
11,40.

After a few words from the Marquis of LANS-
DOWNE, the subj Pet dropped.
ROMAN CATHOLIC HOLIDAYS.
Lord S rANLEY presented a petition from certain
guardians of the poor in Ireland, complaining of the ex-
emption of the Roman Catholic paupers in the work-
houses from work on the numerous Roman Catholic
holidays.

PARLIAMENTARY OATHS BILL.
The Bishop of EXETER presented several petitions
from the clergy and others against this Bill.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
THIRD READINGS.
The following Bills were read a third time and passed:
Binbrooke St. Gabriel and Binbrooke St. Mary In
closure (Amendment and Extension of Acts, Alteration
of Awards, settling Titles to Lands, &c., and defining
Parish Boundaries) Bill.
East Indian Railway Company (For making and main-
taining one or more Railways; in the Esst Indies) Incor-
poration Bill.

- Taunton Town and Market Improvement Bill.
REPORT.
The report upon the Taff Vale Railway (Extension in
Merthyr Tydfil) Bill was considered and agreed to.
PETITIONS.

Mr. HAMILTON presented two petitions, one signed
by 1,587 clergymen of the Established Church in Ireland,
and the other signed by 64,000 laymen of the same
chnnb, praying for some alteration of the present na-
tional system of education in Ireland.
Mr. 11. BROWN presented a petition from Solici-
tors at Tewkesbury praying for the abolition of the cer-
tificate duty.

Mr. PaIIPTRE presented several petitions from
the metropolis and from pieces in the provinces, praying
for an alteration in thei;national system of education iu
Ireland.

Mr. COWAN presented a petition from Edinburgh
against the Public Health Bill for Scotland, and also one
against the Marriage Bill.

Mr. CARD WELL presented a petition from Liver-
pool, signed lay 4,500 persons, praying for an uniform
system or rating tor the support of the poor.
.Sir F. THESIGER presented a petition from the
eouns,-1 4nd afie.-rs of the PaLce Court, stating that the
Bill before the House twould take away their whole busi-
ness and MeallS of remu,:eratio,n, without giv 434 them any
compensation, and praying that they might be heard by
eJ.Lria,-1 st the lasr of the House.

Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from mer-
chtints and traders at P.)ehdale, in favour of the Bill for
the Amendment and Consolidation of the Bankrupt
Laws.

Lord DUDLEY STUART presented a petition from
the letter-preys printers in London, pra)ing for the
abolition of the duty upon papers and the advertisement
and starnpduty. _ _

Lord BERNARD presrntrd a petition, signed by 91
Roman Catholic heads of families in four parishes of the
county of Cork, praying the House to take means to
allow the National Education &ciety in Ireland to ex-
tend its beneficial operations.

VIENNA.

Mr. HUME said he would postpone until the 10th
July the question respecting Vienna, which btood third
on the list.

THE PALACE COURT.

Sir F. THESIGER said that when the Attorney-
General moved the second reading of the Bill relative to
the Palace Court he (Sir F. Thesiger) should move that
the counsel and attorneys of the court be heard at the
bar of the House against the provisions of the Bill.
THE IRISH CHURCH.
Mr. B. OSBORNE said, on the 10th of July he should
renew his motion relative to the Irish Church.
STATE OF IRELAND.
_ _

Mr. HORSMAN gave notice that on the sth of July
he should call the attention of the House to the state of
Ireland.

SUPPLY.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND said he should move the reso-
lution which stood in his name on the first day of the
report of Supply.
FRENCH INTERVENTION WITH ROME.

Mr. ROEBUCK said on an early day he should put
a question to the Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign
Affairs, for the purpose of bringing under the notice of
the House the state of our diplomatic relations with
France respecting Rome.
STATE OF THE NATION.
Mr. DISRAELI said he had been requested to give
some definite intimation as to the time when he would
call the attention of the House to the state of the nation,
of which he bad given notice. Inasmuch as the Noble
Lord at the head of the Government was equally in-
terested in the question with himself, he would be glad
if he could induce the Noble Lord to assist him in the
matter. so far as to fix some day for bringing it on.
Mr. OSBORNE ”id before the Noble Lord answered
that question, he (Mr. Oiborne) begged leave to appeal
to the generosity of the Neb!e Lord.—(Laughter) He
thought the state of the Irish Church was of infinitely
more importance- than V- e state of the nation.--(Ree
newed laughter.) He (Mr. Osborne) had a motion
to bring forward resp,c,ing the Irish Church,
and he would ask the Noble Lord to assist him in
fixing a day for that.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, if the state of the nation
was to be brought forward it was desirable that it should
no*. be brought f ews,rd eta very late p,riod of the
session; if it was to be discussed it ought to be discussed
forthwith. If the Hen. Geatlernan would take Monday,
the 2d of July, he sheuld have no objection to his taking
that day.
Mr. DISRAELI as?.ontel to that proposal.
CAPITAL PUNISFIMENrS.

Mr. EWART moved that en hmnble address be pre-
sented to her Maj,sty, praying that a return may be
Made, showing how tnr.crim v:btch capital punish-
menti have 11 en aboli,hed in this country, arestitlewNi-
tally punishable in the rolciius cliTendeneks of
Great Ili-itain.—Avreed to.
PALACE COURT.
Lard DUDLEY STUART said an order of the

House was made on the 25th of May for certain returns
re ative to the Pallce Cuurt, ou his motion. Those
re urns had not yet been furnished, and be bet ged to ark
the Secretary fur the Home Department the cause of
the delay.
Sir GEORGE GREY was not aware of the cause of
the delay; but in consequence of a communication he
had received from Lend Dudley Smart, notice had been
sent to the parties charged wi.h preparing those returns
to furnish them forthwith.

Colonel DUNNE roso to ask the Right Honourable
the Secretary far Ireland whether, in the cases of 'evic-
tions in the Kilrush El ctoral Division in Ireland, men-
tioned in Captain Kennedy's report, the notices pre-
scribed by law were served, and, if they were, why the
vice-guardians did not (as was their duty) provide
efficient relief for the persons so ejected ; und, if the
notices were not served, whether the vice-guardians
have instituted any prosecution against the persons who
have neglect :11 to serve these notices previous to eviction.
Sir GEORGE GREY said all he could state in tho
absence of his Bon. Friend the Secretary fur Ireland
was, that to the best of his belief in all the evictions
that had recently taken place the law, with respect to
giving notice to the guardians, had bean complied with.

REWARDS TO MEDICAL OFFICERS.
Sir DE LACY EVANS roso to bring under the
consideration of the House the claims of the medical
officers of the army and navy to military rewards and
distinctions. He said, unfortunately, this question was
divested of all party interest, nevertheless upwards of
two thousand deserving public servants—men of
education, and who had rendered essential service to
their country—were interested in the matter. He sub-
mitted to the House that the nature of their services—
the great hardships they were constantly celled upon to
suff:r, and the great dangers to which they were
exposed, the great saving of lives of troops they
were enabled to effect by wise precautions, entitled them
to be placed in the same class as those who had received
rewards. It was said that they were civil officers, and not
entitled to these rewards. He did not see the force of
the objection. Take, for instance, the case of the engi•
neers who had received these rewards; they were seldom
called into actual conflict, being engaged in
storming • parties, whilst the medical officers
were invariably called upon to peril their lives.
lie thought the civil and military services should be duly
consideted, and that those men who had served their
country had a great source of grievance when they saw
men wbo had not been half their time in the service
promoted over their heads. Complaints of this kind
were well deserving the consideration of the House and the
Government. Amongst these men he might instance the
names of t-FirJohn Macgregor, Mr. Frankes, Mr. Gurney,
Mr. Howland, and Mr. Gutherie, who had rendered
great service to their country in the medical department
of the army. He did not thirst pecuniary compensa-
tion, but only that they should be entitled to the same dis-
tinctions that were conferred on otherofiicers of the army.
Mr. Guthrie was himself twice wounded during the
Peninsular war, and scarcely an important engagement
took place at which he was not present. He could men-
tion many instances in which surgeons had been
wounded and killed, hut he was not on that on
casion willing to trespass further upon the at-
tention of the House. The Gallant Member
then concluded by moving a resolution to the effect that
as the efficiency and Economy of the army and navy de-
p-nded upon the ability, energy, and zeal of the medical
officers; and that as they share d the dangers to which
those services were exposed, it was neither expe-
dient nor just that they should be excluded
from a share of honorary distinctions and rewards in pro-
portion to tin- it relative rank, or the relative importance
of their respective duties.
Mr. HUME seconded the motion, for the reason
asserted by Napoleon, that every man forming a part
of the army ought to be considered a public
servant, and was entitled to such reward us his services
required. In former days, owing to the want of a
proper comrnissiariat, a much greater proportion of the
army was destroyed by dist me than by the sword or the
bayonet. He was prepared to show, if the time
would admit, that in consequence of the superior
attainments of the medical officers, the mortality of the
army had been greatly reduced within the last twenty
years. As, therefore, the success of engagements de-
pended so much upon the skill shown by the commis.
siariat and by the medical officers, he thought the House
would pass a stigma upon the profession if they were
backward in acceding to the motion of his Galicnt Friend.
The motion having been read,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, the Secretary at War
being unavoidably absent, he should reply to the Gallant
General's question to the best of his ability. In
the first place, he entirely concurred with the Gal-
lant General, as to the merit of the Medical
officers of the combany, and the Hon. Member for Mon-
trose had also borne no more than just testimony to the
valuable services of those officers. He had stated most truly
that the mortality of late years had been materially lessen-
ed in consequence of the valuable nature of the information
supplied to the medical board,: upon which they had
acted ; and therefore he (Lord J. Russell) should be
sorry, on that occasion, to say any thing in disparage-
ment of those services. Though, as the Gallant General
had said, they were non.combatants, yet they were
every day called upon to exercise steadiness of nerve ;
and they were indebted to them fen saving the lives
of many gallant men, who would otherwise have died
from wounds received on the field of battle.—(hear.)

But he could not sgree with him that the officers of
the engineers were she non-combatants, fir when
they were commanded to mount a breech, they
were exposed to the same imminent peril as other
officers; but they could hardly say that the
medical officers were excluded from all rewards.
because it was well known that when medals were dis-
tributed they received them in common with the other
officers. Nor were civil rewards withheld from them

since Sir James Macgregor, Sir Charles Forbes, and
others, had received the civil honour of knighthood. With
respect to admitting them to the Order of the Bath, he did
not see that there was any possible objection—(Hear,
hear)—but he would not pledge himself that this should
be so; be would much rather consult the Commander-
in-Chief and the Secretary at War before he could state
in what manner this should be done.—(Hear, hear.)
It was, he thought, rather a matter for the Executive
than of the Legislature.—(Hear, hear.) If, therefore,
the Gallant Gentleman persisted in his motion, he
should move the previous question.
Colonel DUNNE considered that the Gallant Ge-
neral had done a great service by bringing the matter
before the House. He saw no reason why these officers
should not be rewarded in the same way as other office! F.
When Poor-law Inspectors and others had received the
honour of knighthood, he saw no reason why these
medical officers should not be similarly rewarded.
he should not add one word of testimony to the value
of the medical officers' services after what fallen from
his-Hon. and Gallant Friend. During the Peninsular
war there were seven actions for which; by an accident
almost, rewards were given. There were men then
serving in Spain who had not the good fortune to
be in that action, and who had not received
the slightest reward.—(Hear, hear.) He was therefore
anxious to call the attention of the House to the ser-
vices of those men, who, though not engaged in those
actions, had distinguished themselves in the service of
their country in the Peninsula and elsewhere.
Sir DE LACY EVANS said, with reference to
what had fallen from the Noble Lord at the head of the
Government, with reference to engineers, he (Sir De
Lacy Evans) had merely adverted to engineers, as
they were also a scientific branch, and perhaps
the highest scientific branch of the service. He had not
the slightest objection to the Noble Lord's suggestion as
to that distinguished corps. He (Sir De Lacy Evans)
knew engineers in the civil department who had already
received Companionships of the Bath for thLir services
in India, but the services for which that honour had
been conferred upon them were of a civil character.
Colonel THOMPSON said the Members on his side
of the House with whom he usually acted were so en-
tirely satisfied with what had fallen from the Noble
Lord, that they had hoped he would have dispensed with
putting the previous question.
Sir C. BURRELL bore testimony to the great improve-
ment in medical science in the army, and referred to his
experience on the coast of Africa in proof of it.
After a few words from Captain PECIIELL,
Sir DE LACY EVANS thought he had done no in-
justice to any department of the service, and ho hoped
the Noble Lord would not oppose the motion.
Lord J. RUSSELL thought injustice had been done,
and he hoped his Hon. and Gallant Friend would withdraw
his motion.

Sir DE LACY EVANS said if injustice had been done
he would withdraw his motion.

The motion was accordingly withdrawn
EQUALIZATION OF POOR-RATES.
__ _

Mr. PZCHE and Lord NUGENT presented several pe-
tions in favour of the equalization of poor-rates.
gcoamthitetee t
Lord NUGENT then rose, pursuant to notice, to
maintenance
enquire into the practicability
motopyreol:ird providing
by
ynatranee of the indigent poor of
England and Wales,
at;dzieral apportion-
mentthe angle
of the burthen of
not a most inviting
the reuael.
that this was
the House,
consideration of
as it was a question of the utmost
importance ho time
the indulgence of the House while he stated theaw`iend.
cipal points connected with the subject. lie felt that
he should have no right to csk for any favourable
consideration of his motion if he contented himself
with laying before the House the inequality of
the mode of rating, and the grievous hardship
upon the rate-payers. He would have no right
to ask for an inquiry upon the subject, did he not
think he could lay before the House the means of
which those hardships might be avoided. The present
He need not dwell upon the grievances which result
from the present mode of rating, because he believed
he should be justified in daaling with those as acknow-
ledged evils. There could be no doubt that the present
system of rating was most unjust and anomalous, its
inequalities were universally admitted. He could not go
the length of saying that they were increased by the
amended law of 1834, but there was no doubt of this that
it had had had the effect of placing the guardians in an-
tagonism to the rate-payers and both to the poor.
system of rating was most unequal; it was most in-
jurious, it not absolute spoliation to many of the rate-
payers! and, above all, it was most injurious to the ob-

jeets of parochial relief.—(Hear.) In many instances
the rate had been twenty-five shillings in the pound,
cr more properly speakirg, five shillings above
the pound. From a return it appeared that the annual
charge up to Lady•day 1847, for the in door maintenance
of the poor in all the unions was 769,6904; and to Lady-
day 1848, 955,7001.; an:l the establishments and salaries
for 1847, were 762,4201.; and for 1848, 970,9851. This
shoved that the cost of keeping up the establishments
and paying salaries amounted to 15,0004 more than
wps required for the maintenance of all the poor.
The luta poor rates expended in England and Wales
during the year ending 25:h March, 1848, was 3,C47,4851.
Ot thir. sum there was expended in law charges, expenses
of proceedings before magistrates, payments under the

Parochial Assessments Act, and " for other pur-
posed," no less than 1,856,720/. There was thus nearly
2,000,0001. expended annually in the mere machinery of
the poor-laws, and of that sum there was an item of
214,7111. for "other expenses." He thought that even
official gentlemen would think that was an enormous
sum to be put down wider such a head. It would be
found, both in town and country, that the poorer
parishes were rated enormously higher, and the richer
parishes enormously lower, than they ought to be.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

TATTERSALL'S-THIS EVENING.
Six o'ClocK.
NORTHUMBERLAND PLATE.
4 to 1 agst Executor—taken
7 to 2 agst Malton—taken
12 to 1 agst Legerdemain—taken
15 to 1 agst Distaffina—taken
LIVERPOOL CUP.
12 to 1 aot Newcourt—taken
GOODWOOD CUP.
9 to 2 agst Tadmor
GOODWOOD STAKES.
10 to 1 agst Fernhill—taken
10 to 1 agst Plaudit—taken
12 to 1 agst Tophana—taken
15 to 1 agst Clermont—taken
20 to 1 agst Chanticleer
20 to 1 agst Collingwood
20 to 1 agstGiselle
20 to 1 agst Van Dieman
DERBY.
18 to 1 agst The Italian
20 to 1 agst Pitsford
1,000 to 20 agst Brennus—talon to 200.
2,000 to 45 agst Tcrdesillas—taken.
1,000 to 20 agst Paul.