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Mtn (Mr. liciscoe) Of the treatment he elm received in
Horsemonger-lane gaol, where he was confined for a mis-
demeanour. He could never bring himself to belies,
that a person confined fur a misdemeanour in any
li
gaol ought to be treated as a feloa, nor could he
think .otherwise but that the treatment for misde-
meanours ought to- be the same throughout all the
prisons in England. He had certainly felt it to be his
duty, as Visiting Magistrate of Hi-weep:longer-lane Prison,
to order that Taylor should receive every indulgence which
the rules of the prison. permitted. This was not because
Taylor was the object of it, a.e.he should act is the same
manner whoever might be the individual confined there
for a misdemeanour.
An Hoe. MEMISER, whose name we could not learn,
wise surprised to hear what had been stated by the' last
Hon. Gentleman who had addressed the House. If the pu-
nishment for any offence was so severe that it ought not to
be inflicted, no longer ought the Judges of the land
to have the power of pronouncing such a judgment. Ira.:
prisonment for opinions had never done good—it 001
strengthened those opinions. The blasphemy complained'
of was not against the Almighty, but against the Arelf:'
bishop of Canterbury. It was altogether trash, and such'
es ought not to have occupied either the atter):
lion of Judges of the lane?, or that of the Houses
of Parliament. At the same time he hoped this part of
the law would undergo a speedy revision, and for that
purpose be should support the prayer of the petition.
Mr. HUNT said he had likewise been written to by
the petitioner, and he should certainly support the peti-
tion, the objecteof which he understood to be two-fold,
namely, the mitigation of Taylor's punishment and the
better treatment in the gaol.
Mr. HUME, in moving that the petition be prints d,
said that he hoped his Majesty's Ministers would support
him in a motion he should make at an early opportunity,
ler a return of a list of the Members of the Society for the
Suppression of Vice. The Hon. Member referred to the
severity of the sentence as directed to be carried into exe-
cution by the first orders of the Magistrates, and the ame-
liorations which, to their honour, had been effected by the
interference of the lion. Member for Surrey ; and he then
observed, that among these ameliorations was the allowance
of certain hooks. But among the books thus allowed, he
observed that books upon theology were not included.
Now this was, probably, as hard as any part of the punish-
ment. Suppose he should have the misfortune to be im-
prisoned, and that it should happen to be his taste to read
nothing but Parliamentary proceedings—(A laugh)—how
hard it would be fur him if the Magistrates should order
hie gaoler to allow him no books with blue covers—
(Laughter)—nor any information relating to what was
dying in that House. Surely it was too much for any
opt of men to take on themselves, at their own pleasure,'
thus to increase the severity of a sentence upon a person
cenvicted of a misdemeanour.
DISTURBANCES IN MAYO AND GALWAY.
On the question being put that the petition presented by
Mr. HUME be printed,
Mr. J. BROWN said, that seeing the Right Hon. Se-
cretary for Ireland in his place, he (Mr. J. Brown) was
desirous of putting a few questions to the Right Hon.
Gentleman, on the state of the county with which he was
connected. It was stated in some of the public papers,
that the most frightful disturbance' had taken place in
that part of Ireland ; that they were committed not under
the cover of night, but boldly in the open day ; that the
law was tee at direct defiance, and the disturbances were
of a character to threaten the very existence of society.
Under these circurnstamem, he wished, first, to ask the
Right lion. Secretary, whether the communication which
the Government had received upon this subject agreed
tietse statements in the public Papers? His next
question was, whet: er the Government of Ireland had
thought it expedient to adopt any more vigorous mea-
sures to put down these disturbances ; and his third ques-
tion was, whether the Magistrates and the officers whose
duty it was to watch over the preservation of the peace in
Galway and Mayo, had acted with that degree of vigour
and firmness which the necessity of the time required ?
Mr. STANLEY said, that if he properly understood
the questions of his Hon. Friend near him, he should
have little difficulty in answering the two first, but must
decline giving any answer to the third. With regard to
the first question, he regretted to say, that although the
disturbances 10 the county of Clare had altogether ceased,
and property seemed restored to a state of safety from vio-
lence, yet there were atill disturbances going on in Gal-
way and Mayo, and he feared that some of them were of
a violent character. With regard to the second question,
he answered, that the Government had on this occasion
taken all the means in their power for exercising in full
force all the powers they now possessed—all with which
they were now entensted by the law of the land ; and
he mutt take that opportunity of saying, that a
ease stronger than that of Clare, and infinitely
stronger than that of Galway at this moment—nay,
oven stronger then that of Mayo, with which the
Honourable Member was more peculiarly connected,
must be made out bre,,re the Government would be induced
to come down to that House and gsk from Parliament for
the grant of any extraordinary powers,*--(Hear, hear, espe•
cially from 7,Jr. O'Connell.) They should, upon all occa-
sions, most strenuously exercise the powers they possessed;
but they felt that the evil, though it might be suppressed
for a tine• by the operation of measures of unusual strength,
was, in the end, rather increeeed than diminished by their
et-Teen—(r-leer, hear.) In the present instance of the sti-
pendiary Magietenetty, in elie increase of the peane preeeeva•
slop force, and in other measures of a similar kind--to put
down these disturbatieee. Similar measures had been sue-
eossful in Clare, and he trus“ they would beh
r equally as
in Galway and in 3layo.—(Hear, Leer.) Witegard to
the ehird question, be was quite mere that the Home would
feel wile:" him, that it would be improper for him to give it
any autsweer. It was ordered that the petition should he
printed.

DUBLIN ELECTION.
Mr. LEFROV asked tLe Hon. Member, the Chairman
of the Dublin Electio❑ Grunuittee, whether he had made
up his wind, in conseqtßuce of instructions from the Com-
mittee, or otherwise, to submit to the House any mo•ion
founded upon the report of that body
Mr. R. GORDON replied, that he should atl no
big
awn responsibility, as he had not received any instruction!,
frow the Committee ; and on Tuesday week he would
bring forward certain repalutiond which would include the
whole case, :lot omittieg that part of it which related t“
bribery.

POR FUGAL.
Lord VALLETORT said ;hat he bad iatendel this ds.
to have asked a question of considerable importance rela-
tive to the shipping at Liibvn, but not seeing the Noble
Secretary for Foreign Affairs in his place he ;mist post-
pone it.

NEWTOWNBARRY.
Captain GORDON asked whether Government bad
taken into consideration the conduct and the reported
epeeches ;,f certain Magistrates of the county of Wexford,
und whether any steps had been taken in consequence ?
Mr. STANLEY replied that Ministers had not thought
any steps necessary.
LORD LIEUTENANTS (IRELAND).
Mr. STANLEY moved the order of the day fur the
• cenewittee on the Lerd Lieutenants (Ireland) Bill.
Mr. O'CONNELL proposed BA an amendment that the
Bid should be committed on this day sit months. He
said that b objections were founded upon principle, and
that no atnezkaents could remove them. The greet error
iu this Hottae legialating for Ireland was, that most of the
Members were obliged :eo be content with represeutations
of the state of that countly :wide on one side and on the
other, without any peraonal krati;eledge to guide them in
their decision. He denied that the systena about to be esta-
blished in Ireland worked well teen in Eughtgai, and he in-
stanced the case of Lerd Fitzwilliam, who Irar been re-
moved from the Lied Lieutenancy of his county Lecause
he differed in politics fram the Minister of the day.
ha
Ireland the Bill could not lint do great mischief, for there
the Magistracy at present was na by any means what it
ought to be. Half the Magistracy consisted of the Pro-
testant Rectors and Curates of parishes, vli.f.> wets not
popular, and did not desire to be so. For twenty ;iga,tor,
while Lord Clare and the then Attorney-General Saurin
were at the head of the Court of Chancery, no man could
get appointed to the Commission of tl..e Peace who was
not known to be devoted to the Governments the Member
for the county of Waterford had been twice retua4, end
1,400 Protestant gentlemen, Meeebers of the Ronra...;
Catholic Association, were declared inelizilde. Sir A.
Bart, when he took pussessiou of the Seals, determined to
appoint to the Magistracy no man reeoronien(led by a poli-
tical partisan; yet he had been himself atarrounded by and
imbedded in political partisans of an opposite tection. He
freely admitted that no just complaint could he imatzgainat
the appointments, or refusals to appoint, by the present.
Administration, and he wished matters to continue as they ;
wigs : at present the Lord Chancellor was responsible, awit',
if the prospects held out by the Reform Bill werarealised,.
that responsibility would be far from
no
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n
a
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He
for defietr!
Ministers to point out an unexceptionae Nobleman he
cffice of Lord Lieutenant in any county of Ireland, and ad-
verted especially to the difficulty that would b
erf e fo
dunbdin ing
the county of Waterford, the Marquis of Watore
only nineteen years old. He objected also, to the formi-
dable power it would give to the Lords Lieutenant
of
o
zonuties: 'they would have all the influence, and e
the responsibility. He might_ allow that the Duke of
Leineter no* a very fit man to he made Lord Lieutenant

of Kildare, but that was about the only exception to the
general rule he had laid down. He called the measure the
Bill of the thirty Tyrants, which would place a despot
in every county. At preseut it was possible to appeal to
the King—
" To fly from village despots to the throne,"
but hereafter that remedy, in the responsibility of the Lord
Chancellor of Ireland, would be- at an end. People had
talked of the remedy by application to the King's Bench,
but in England the dominion of that Court over the Ma-
gistracy was a mete mockery. In the last ten years, thirty
applications had been made to it against Magistrates, and
not a single criminal information had been granted. Ten
of those informations were against Clerical Magistrates,
although the proportion of theta in England was much
less than in Ireland. In twelve of-the thirty instances, the
Court had dismissed the complaint with costs to be paid
by the party complaining ; in eight others it had been
dismiSsed without costs, and in ten only with costs to be
paid by the Magistrates. Even in England there was a
.vast deal of despotism exercised by the Magistrates over
the poor, and how much more would it be:in Ireland,
where Magistrates were in hostility with their neigh-
bours, and endeavouring to multiply prosecutions
and convictions? The Grand Jury Bill, .now on the
table, and which, with a few amendments, would be
a .great boon to Ireland, would greatly increase the
power of Magistrates, inasmuch as it left to them, in all
cases, the reducing of the special jury lists. He had,
therefore, no more doubt than of his existence, that this
new measure would augment partisanship, heart-burnings,
and discontents]. He was aware that Ministers were
acting upon what they thought good authority ; but he
was satisfied that they.were under a delusion ; and he so-
lemnly assured them, that he only resisted the further
progress of this Bill because it would be injurious to his
country. 'He had no political motive in opposing it, be-
cause he, perhaps, might be rather a gainer than a loser
by it ; but he conjured the House to pause before it adopted
it. Above •all things, he liked single responsibility ; for
divided responsibility was no responsibility.
Mr. STANLEY said, that if Ministers had not thought
that the Bill would produce effects the very opposite to
those anticipated by the lion. Member, they would not
have introduced it. He supported the Bill because it would
purify the Magistracy, increase responsibility, and esta-
blish a connecting link, so long wanted, between the Go-
vernment of Ireland and the respective counties. What
the Hon. Member had pointed out had never been meant
• to be the system of England, and had never been meant to
be the system of Ireland ; and with regard to the former,
he contended that Lord Lieutenants had been usually most
properly chosen, although cases might have occurred in
which political support gave a turn to the scale where the
other merits of the two candidates for a Lord Lieutenancy
were equally balanced. The case of the Earl Fitzwilliatn
from its peculiar circumstances, could not be fairly used as
a precedent nor urged as an exemplification, while the in-
stance of a near relative of his own, who had been for be.
tweeu fifty and sixty years Lord Lieutenant of Lanca-
shire, although generally opposed to the Minister of the
day, was a decided proof that political hostility was consie
dered no disqualification. He was sorry to hear the lion.
Gentleman say that the Magistracy of Ireland was usually
in hostility to the people, but if it were so he approved of
the Bill before the House, because it tended to remedy the
evil. What hitherto had been done by secret influence
would now be openly accomplished, upon the open respon-
sibility of the Lord Lieutenants of counties. At present
there existed no means of communication between the i
Magistrates and the Ministry, for those who were now known
as governors of counties hail little authority but over the
Militia, and theirs at all events wag a divided responsibility.
In Carlow there were 5, in Cork 5, in Fermanagh 4, in
Meath 4, and in eight other counties three Governors to
each. As he had before said, his great object in bringing
in the Bill was to increase the sort of responsibility which
the Hon. Member required. The Hon. Member assuredly
cast an unmerited censure on the Nobility of Ireland, when
he asserted that in no county could an unexceptionable
Nobleman be found to undertake the new duties of Lord
Lieutenant :he (Mr. Stanley) apprehended that-no diffi-
culty would be experienced in selecting an individual who,
by the weight of his character and property, was entitled
to take the lead. One great advantage of the Bill was
that it encouraged the residence of the Nobility and Gentry,
for the Lord Lieutenant was empowered to appoint a Vice-
Lieutenant in the absence of the Lord Lieutenant, which
Vice Lieutenant was to enjoy all the patronage of his prin-
cipal. He hoped, therefore, that the gloomy predictions
of the Hon. Gentleman as to the wording of the Bill would
_not be verified.
Mr. JEPHSON remarked, that the Lord Chancellor of
Ireland, sent from this country, did not know a second in-
dividual in the country, and yet was required to appoint
'the Magistracy. At least this evil would be remedied by
time Bill, as the Lord Chancellor would be assisted by the
advice and recommendations of the Lord-Lieutenants. If
it were found not to work well, it might hereafter be
amended or repealed.
Mr. RUTHVEN also supported the measure, and con-
tended that many improper persons had crept into the I
situation of Magistrates in Ireland, having been recom-
mended by some great or some little Lord, or even by a
Privy Councillor. He was proceeding to show the mis-
chiefs which such a Magistracy hail occasioned by injudi-
cioul appointments of officers in the yeomanry, when
Mr. D. BROWN rose to speak to order. He thought
that the question before the House was quite foreign to the
subject which his Hon. Friend was introducing respecting
the yeomanry force.
Mr. RUTIIVEN did not think that he was out of order
in his allusion to the patronage of the proposed Lord
Lieutenants in the appointment of officers of the yeomanry.
Mr. D. BROWN supported the Bill ; but he did not
consider it a measure of unmixed good. It must be ob-
vious to English Members, and inure especially to Irish
Members, that the Lord Lieutenants under the Bill would
have the power of nominating the Magistrates in their
respective counties ; and in Ireland it was much mote a
matter of ambition, or of desire amongst the country gen-
tlemen than in England, to be appointed to the Magis-
tracy—(No, no !)—st least, be would say that it was
much more sought after by the middle classes in Ireland
than in Engl ,nd.—(Hear, hear.) lie thought, however,
that any inconveniences with which the Bill might be at-
tended, ss odd be overbalanced by its advantages.—(Hear,
hear.) It was, host-ever, one other step towards the assi-
milation of the law and practice of Ireland to that of
England. On that ground alone he would support the
Bill, if it had no other claims upon his support.—(Hear.)
He thought such a measure necessary to the perfecting of
tine stokes between the two countries.
Mr. BLACKNFA regretted that so foul a syetem of
appointing Magistrates, at he had known to have prevailed
its his county (Carlow) for notay eeta, should have been
tolerated by the Govetninent so long. He hoped that this
would put an end to the system, and therefore lie sup-
ported the Bill. In Carlow they bad not the honour of
having any N'oble Lord among them, although they were
sufficiently lorded over by six governors, one of whom had
been appointed only time other day, though for what pur-
pose was at a loss to imagine. This Bill must do good,
Because any change in the present system of appointing
Maelatrates iu Irelaud must be a change for the better.
It was impossible that a wets,: system could be devised.
From what he knew of the present Chancellor, he was
sure that there could be very few appointl.-,ente made by
him which would not be satisfactory ; but lie moat say,
that a vast number of the uppointutenta in his county had
disgracerul alike to the county, to those who recom-
mended, aid to those who made the appointments. He
believed that the ferment which at present prevailed was
kept up by a party of diet very 4jagii;tracy whose duty it
was to allay iri-;Wion and to presery the peace.
Mr. J. GRATTAN inapad that thg Right Hon. Gentle-
man (Mr. Stanley) would explain to them snore fully
what was to be the nature and extent of toe powers of
these Lords Lieutenant. If it were intended to give to
theca Lords Lieutenant the coutroul of the police, this
would be area:fag them with a power greater than any in-
dividual in this coue,teei poessitiled. In the event of the
office of Lord Lieutenant of iyelaemil being abolished, this
power would become much more formidable,
Mr, S. RICE said, that this measure—namely, the in-
teeduet;lop of Lords Lieutenant of counties into Ireland
had been the freinent 'object of Parliamentary inquiry,
and of the rexotrunerntretio;;:;
.0. parliamentary Committees,
and that it was one, too, with eee-ael. to which all the
witnesses, of every condition, every sect, and every party,
Cue:: bad been examined before the various Committees on
the state e! Ireland, bad united in recommending its in-
troduction into tst country. Timis Bill would establish a
salutary system of reapoceoility in the different counties
threughout Ireland with respect t;:e recommendation of
persons to Mii.! the office of Magistrates. rike great evil of
the esisting state C.: things there was, that sroom vecarn-
mendations now proceedto faOrn
irresponsible persons, and
lie has's' himself known an instance of an individual recom-
mending the apo: ointment of a person to the Magistracy,
and subsequently disaw,9wilig having given any such re-
commendation. Ile agreed with his Hon. Friend opposite
isni,tthiinnktiu thatpow onepower
wghoioct effecttlioseo wouldt-e,toiliiriedism,t,Le,a,ifseuutrtheeenaynto
nourni
d.-
exercise with respect to the menu
and he thought that it would be highly desirable, and most
sdvantagrouß, that a sal,utAry system of controul, thus:
vested in the hands of resp.ectibe and responsible persons,
should be exercised both over the yeomanry and the con_
stahulary force., Tl);ti measure founded en a like

prinoiple to that of two other measures—the Juries
(Ireland) Bill, and the Administration of Justice (Ireland)
Bill, which also stood for discussion this night—to wit,
the assimilation of the laws iu Ireland to those in Eng-
land, and it constituted the first step towards tendering the
Government in both countries identically the same.
Mr. LEADER objected to the extensive power and
patronage which this Bill was calculated to place in the
hands of a single individual in each county in Ireland.
He contended, that those thirty-two Lords Lieutenant
would become possessed of the distribution of nearly a
million of money, which was annually levied by gimd
juries in Ireland ; and that not only the appointment of
Magistrates, but the selection of High Sheriffs, would fall
into their hands. He defied his Majesty's Ministers to
find thirty-two unexceptionable persons in the thirty-two
counties in Ireland to discharge the duties of those proposed
Lords-Lieutenant.
Mr. CRAMPTON said, that there was not a single
power conferred by this Bill on Lords-Lieutenant of
counties in Ireland, which was not already exercised by
the Governors of counties there, with the exception of the
appointment of Colonels of militia, which this Bill took
front the Crown and gave to the Lords-Lieutenant. lie
thought that one of the great advantages of this measure
would be, that in consequence of it responsible persons
would be placed in each of the counties of Ireland, fer
the purpose of recommending individuals to the Magis-
tracy. The leading evil of the present state of things was,
that the power was exercised without the responsibility
which should be attached to it. It was quite a mistake
to suppose, that under this Bill the Lord-Lieutenant of
Ireland could only appoint Noblemen to the Lord-Lieute-
nancies of the several counties there. The Lord-Lieute-
nant would have it in his power to appoint any indivi-
dual whom he thought proper to the situation ; but it was
most probable, of course, that men of rank and station in
the different counties would be selected by him to fell those
situations. He was of opinion that this measure would
be very useful to Ireland, and he trusted therefore that it
would be passed.
Mr. A. LEFROY said that the Hon. Member for
Kerry bad greatly magnified the powers which would be
placed in the hands of those Lords-Lieutenant.
Lord ALTHORP said that it had long appeared to him
that this would be a desirable measure to introduce into
Ireland. From the experience which they had had of
Lords-Lieutenants of comities in England, he thought
they might safely say that the introduction of the seine
system into Ireland would nut be followed by any of those
evil effects which were anticipated from it by the Hon.
Member for Kilkenny. He for one could not perceive
how it was more likely that the Lords-Lieutenant of
counties in Ireland should possess the appointment of the
sheriffs, than tire Lords-Lieutenant. in England, where,
notwithstanding the long time that the system had existed,
no such power was engrossed by them. He thought that
this measure was one of great importance in the way of
effecting an assimilation of the laws of Ireland to those of
England. One great advantage of the introduction of
1-such a system as this into Ireland was, that they would
have persons of rank, station, character, and respecta-
bility, in the several counties there, whom they would
make responsible for the recommendation of magistrates
in their respective counties, and who would take care that
none but proper persons would he selected to fill that
office. There Lords-Lieutenant, in exercising the powers
which would be entrusted to them, would, from their pro-
minent and responsible station, be completely under the
contralti of public opinion. One of the greatest evils that
he had heard as existing in Ireland, but which he was
glad to say was latterly fast diminishing, was, that no
such salutary effects were produced by public opinion.
That evil would be remedied by this Bill, which ap-
pointed responsible persons that would he liable to that
check, operating as it would upon individuals who, from
their local knowledge and situation, would be fairly re-
sponsible for those whom they should recommend to the
magistracy, because they would be cognizant of their merits
and character. Seeing that the system had worked well in
England, and that they had had, from time to time, fre-
quent complaints with regard to the magistracy in Ire-
land, he thought that a measure like this, which assi-
milated the laws of the two countries on the subject,
would be attended by the best consequences.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, he was glad to see a mea-
sure like this introduced, as the commencement of an assi-
milation of the laws of both countries, which he conceived
to be a most desirable object. He did not object to the
patronage which the Biil would bestow, and if the Lords-
, Lieutenant of Ireland were not possessed of greater pa-
tronage than the Lord-Lieutenant of an English county,
the Bill could not be productive of any responsibility for
good or evil. He congratulated the Members of England
and Ireland upon the introduction of such a measure.
Mr. J. RUSSELL supported the Bill.
Mr. PAGET contended, that it was preferable to have
the right of appointing Magistrates vested in the Lord
Chancellor than the Lords- Lieutenant of the counties.
The Lord-Lieutenant was usually a man of high rank,
who associated very little with those around him, and it
was impossible for him to know more of persons appointed
to the magistracy than might be known by a Lord Chase
cellor. When he saw such a profusion of clergymen in
the commission of the peace, he could not help declaring
his opinion, that neither the education nor the life of a
clergyman was such as to fit him for the duties of a Ma-
gistrate.—(Hear.) They mixed up civil functions wi-h
their sacred duties, and produced an effect the very reverse
of beneficial to the people.—(Hear, hear.) When, more-
over, he saw the political tendencies of those reverend gen-
tlemen, lie considered that their appointments to the bench
were any thing but conducive to the peace of the country.
—(hear, hear.) The self-elected Magistracy of England
was, however, more objectionable than that portion which
was appointed by the Lord Lieutenant.
Mr. CALLAGHAN conceived that great good would
be produced by this Bill. At present the Magistracy was
appointed in Ireland in consequence of the very worst of
information conveyed to Government, but by the Bill all
Magistrates would be nominated by those who were re-
sponsible for the nomination.
Mr. HUNT hail listened a ith attention to what was to
be the first measure of Ministers in favour of Ireland. He
regretted that the first step was, in this particular, to as-
similate the law of Ireland to that of England, although
he was well aware that in disapproving of the Magistracy
of the latter country, he should not ingt atiate himself with
the assembly in which lie spoke, for nine-tenths of the
assembly to which lie addressed himself were in the Com-
mission of the Peace. That part of the people which he
represented were very far frotu satisfied at the manner in
which Magistrates were appointed. At present the Lord
Chancellor, the Lords-Lieutenant, and the Magistrates,
were appointed by the Crown ; but when the people
really had the representatives that made the laws, they
likewise bail the appointments of. Sheriffs and Magistrates,
and now that Minister, or the Newspapers for them, had
wade the people believe that they were to choose their own
representatives, they were beginning to reflect whether
they ought not to be res'ored to their former rights with
reference to the administration of justice. As to the
notion of an appeal to the Court of King's Bench against
a Magistrate, it was a gross farce. When Clergymen were
Magistrates, in nineteen cases in twenty it was a source
of disunion in their parishes.
Mr. O'CONNELL hoped that Ministers would reflect,
before the third reading of the Bill, upon the difficulty of
getting resident persons in each county who would under-
take the responsibility of the office of Lord Lieutenant
He denied that the Bill would cure absenteeism. lie
would divide the House on this third reading, for he felt
convinced that the Bill would increase the evils of the

country.
Lord ALTHORP thought that the best responsibility
was that of public opinion, and which, in his judgment,
the Bill would promote. He should now move " That
the Speaker leave the chair."
Tile House then went into a c onamittee upon the Bill.
A conversation then took place between Col. O'GRADY,
Mr. R. GORDON, and Mr. STANLEY, respecting the office
of Custos Rotuluruna. Mr. Gordon referred to the abuse
of this office by the appointment to it of a youth of fourteen
years of age ; and Mr. Stanley observed that the present
Bill would prevent the office being executed by deputy.—
, The clause wass then put and carried.
Upon the clause which regulated the appointment of
officers of militia,
Mr. SHEIL Objected to the cotntnisions in the militia
being in the patronage of the Lords-Lieutenant of counties.
They ought to be given by the Colonels of the regiment.
Mr, sTAD.if,:y observed, that the present arrangement
was not without precedent; and it had been introduced into
the Bill in the other House.
Mr. SHEIL said, that jolts were nut exotics in Ireland,
and that there were two publics in that country to appeal
to. He thought that this clause of the hill would lead to
evils, ,against which the responsibility
to public opinion
would not'be a sufEcient check
Mr. S. RICE said, that ac the Lords-Lieutenant of
counties were to appoint Magi;trates, the House could not
obje:7.l, to their appointing inferior officers Of militia.
Mr. KIM. denied that there 3'as " any parity in the
cases, particularly, as militia officers were paid, and w
Ma-
gistrates
were not.
After a few words frutn Mr. Crampton, Lord Ebring-
ton, Mr, D. Browne, ' and Lord Killeen, the clause was
put and curled. - r'
Mr. O'CONNELL would, on the first convenient occa-
sion, bring before the House Of case of Leary, who had