The Sun.
London, England, 1831-10-18 00:00:00

EXPRESS FROM PARIS.

(From the Morning Herald.)
We have just received the Paris Papers of Sunday, and
the Messager and Gazette dated Monday.
The only article of any thimg like interest they contain
is the rejection on Saturday of one amendment proposed to
the Peerage law in the Chamber of Deputies by M. Dries-
sert, notwithstanding that it was supported by Ministers.
Some further outrages had been committed in the West
by the Chouans, but the measures ordered by Government
promise to terminate the proceedings of those infatuated men.

The last Poles in arms had entered into the Russian ter-
ritory.

0. P. Q.'S ADDRESS TO THE PEERS OF

GREAT BRITAIN.

(From the Morning Chronicle.)
"0 England! model to thy inward greatness,
Like little body with a mighty heart,
What might'st thou do, that honour would thee do,
Were all thy children kind and natural."—Henry

Paris, October 11,1831.

MOST NOBLE PEERS—I HAVE THE HONOUR TO IN-
FORM YOU THAT THE HEREDITARY PEERAGE IN FRANCE
IS ABOLISHED ! ! This is a fact, my Lords—not an
opinion—not a hope—not a conjecture—hut a fact. The
Hereditary Peerage in France is abolished!
First of all, my Lords, allow me to record the fact,
and to direct your attention to the circumstances of the
ease ; second, let we show you how this fact has been
brought about ; and, third, permit me most respectfully
to show you that the natural and necessary result of con-
tinuing to refuse to the people Parliamentary Reform,
will be the abolition of the Hereditary Peerage in Great
Britain.

The Hereditary Peerage in France is abolished !! This
is a fact. A fact which took place only yesterday. A
fact which your rejection of Reform in England hastened
and rendered certain. A fact which will have an im-
mense influence on the destinies of France, England, and
the world. And a fact, to which, if you shut your eyes,
,ind remain insensible, you must be at once the most in-
considerate arid ignorant of men. I speak most respect-
fully, my Lords, when I say this. I neither despise, nor
affect to despise your power, your wealth, your titles,
your honours, or your influence. lam too well conver-
sant with your history to impute to you feebleness or
cowardice ; and the scaffold has not unseldoin proved that
the British Peerage has been adorned by examples of the
most sublime and touching patriotism. But, my Lords,
we do not live in an age when the people are satisfied with
the feats of their grandfathers—nor when wealth and
power compensate for the absence of virtue and justice.
)Iv Lord Eldon is at the head of his party, though he
was once the clerk of a lawyer ; and I believe the Duke of
Cumberland is not the most influential Member of your
Lordships' House, although he is a brother of King William
the Fourth. _ _ .

The Hereditary Peerage in France is abolished ! This I
is a fact, my Lords, and I will tell you in a few words
how the event has taken place. Although France "be
the curse of Europe"—to adopt the tempered and judi-
cious expression of one of your Lordships—l believe you
are by no means inattentive to our proceedings, nor indif-
ferent to the results of our revolution. I will, therefore,
take it for granted, my Lords, that you are aware that in
August, 1830, it was resolved by the French Chamber of
Deputies to leave the discussion of the French Peerage,
and especially of its hereditary character, to the decision
of the legislative Session of 1831. You are, also, I ima-
gine, aware, that the King of the French—our Citizen
King—has desired an Hereditary Peerage from the mo-
ment he accepted the Throne—that his present Minis-
ters, although they have proposed a law abolishing its he-
reditary character, yet advocated the necessity for its re-,
tention; and that the bankers, capitalists, and rich landed
proprietors of France shared the same opinion, and desired
the same result ; and yet, my Lords, the Hereditary Peerage
has been abolished ! You are also not ignorant of the fact
that during the last ten days the Chamber of Deputies has
been occupied with the discussion of the French Peerage
13ill, or, to speak with more correctness, with the debates ,1
on the new article of the French Charter, which is to de-
cide on the future character and existence of the French
Peerage. You may probably have also read, either in the
French or English Journals, the eloquent and talented de-
fences of this hereditary Peerage, which have been made
by M. Thiers, by foyer Collard, by M. Guizot, by M.
Jars, and by M. Keratry ; defences which will remain re-
corded in the pages of European history as splendid spe-
cimens of eloquence and Parliamentary talent, when even
the names of my Lords Londonderry and Dudley shall be
completely forgotten. For, my Lords, be assured of one
thing, that the abolition of the Hereditary Peerage in France
is an European fact—is the commencement of a new era
in the history of the world, and will lead to consequences
which you are too impotent to controul, though that impo-
tency be most potent.
Yesterday—no further back than yesterday, my Lords—
the Deputies of France and the French nation learnt, through
the columns of the French Journals, that the Peers of
Great Britain—even you, Most Noble Lords—had decided
by a majority of FORTY-ONE ! in favour of corruption,
bribery, nomination boroughs, the right of Old Sarusu to
return Members to Parliament, when the same right was
denied to Birmingham and to Manchester. They learnt
that by your vote you had decided that the House of Com-
mons did not understand the question of Parliamentary
Reform—did not know the elements of which it was com-
posed—that it really and faithfully represented all the in-
terests in the kingdom—and that the people were all
wrong, and that you were all right. This was the news
of yesterday—the intelligence of yesterday ; and I will LOW
explain to you the effect which your decision produced,
and the opinions which we hold respecting it. When
the public learnt the fact, the public exclaimed, " What
infatuation !" " What madness !" and not one, but a
thousand, said, " The Peers of Great Britain have com-
mitted an act of moral suicide." Perhaps, my Lords, if
you deigned in the course of your delit erations to think of
that country which is " the curse of Europe." you hoped
by your vote to show us " that at least the English Aris-
tocracy would not submit"—•' that at least the Revolu-
tionists in England would have no chance"—" that at
least popular principles and opinions would not triumph
on your side of the Channel"—and " that this should be
the death-blow to democracy all the world over." Well
then, my Lords, if this were your opinion, your wish,
your hope, I assure you that you have been defeated ; for
no sooner was your decision known than the Chamber of
Deputies hastened to declare that an Hereditary Peerage
:n France was abolished ! ! When the result of the Re-
form Bill was known at Paris, the Deputies who doubted,
did so no longer ; those who hesitated and reflected, found
their hesitation removed and their reflections enlightened,
as well as their doubts removed ! and upwards of FOUR
HUNDRED DEPUTIES PROCEEDED To THE CHAMBER. TO
DECIDE ON THE FATE OF THE HEREDITARY FRENCH
PEERAGE. _ _ _

M. Jay and M. Enoqf, both men of talents, honour,
virtue, and patriotism, but who desired still to retain an
Hereditary Peerage, proposed the following principle as
the basis of the Peerage Law :
" The dignity of the Peers is hereditary—it is to be
transmitted in direct line of succession, and by order of
primogeniture."
This proposition was combatted by General Lamarque,
and only by him ; no one else thought it necessary to at-
tack such a foundation by set phrase of speech, after the
vote of the House of Lords on the British Reform Bill ;
and the cry of the majority was, " Let us proceed to the
vote !" The manner of voting, my Lords, was favourable
to the cause of the Peerage, for it was by secret ballot,
each Member placing in the urn either a black or white
ball ; and, therefore, the Deputies who desired to preserve.
an Hereditary Aristocracy, but who feared to displease
their electors by openly supporting that system, bad the
opportunity of deposing their vote in favour of a system
which they desired, but which openly they did not dare to
espouse. I will hope, my Lords, that there were not
many Deputies who acted so dishonestly, and with so little
honour and frankness ; but still it must be admitted, that
this mode of secret voting was favourable to the cause of
an hereditary aristocracy, and to the system of monopoly
and privilege.
Yet, my Lords, although the system of voting was thus
decidedly in opposition to the popular principle of non-
hereditary Peerage, the result of this secret ballot and
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your attention—that out of 459 Members, of which the
Chamber of Deputies is composed, 410 voted ; and that
out of the 410 who voted, only 86 were in favour of an
Hereditary Peerage, and 324 were opposed to it ! ! !
And now, Most Noble Peers, allow me to invite your

Mention to this fact—THE HEREDITARY PEERAGE IN
FRANCE IS ABOLISHED ! So the sons and heirs of the
uresent Peers will he merely private gentlemen ! The
Peers of centuries will leave their names and estates, but
,without their titles or their privileges ! And when the
heir is born there will be no banquet, for the Duke's son
nay be only a Monsieur, whilst the talented and patriotic
tutor of the Duke's children may one day become a De-
puty, and afterwards a Pe, r !
And now, my Lords, permit me most respectfully to
show you that the natural and necessary result of conti-
nuing to refuse to the people Parliamentary Reform, will
be the abolition of the Hereditary Peerage in Great
Britain !
Do you call this a threat ? No, my Lords, it is no
threat—it is a warning ! Suppose, my Lords, that in con-
sequence of my intimacy with the members of one of your
Lordship's families, I should not only be convinced, but
certain, that if you did not listen to some just and reason-
able demands of one of your children, and accede to them,
the results would be disastrous to your reputatio❑ and
honour, as well as fatal to your child—should I merit the
epithet of a " threatener" if I exposed to you the situa-
tion of yourself and your offspring ? No, my Lords, if you
acted with justice, you would consider me as your bene-
factor—and if you acted with wisdom, you would listen
to my counsel.
My Lords, this is your political situation ! The repre-
sentation of England is intolerable ! The people will not
submit to be deprived for ever of the right which belongs
to them, of choosing their representatives. In France, in
Belgium, in Germany, and in America, the people per-
' ceive that national representations have been established,
and that the mass are represented as well as the privileged
and the wealthy. In Great Britain the people are op-
pressed by taxation, by an enormous debt, by a system of
sinecure*, pensions, and extravagance, which ruins their
industry, destroys their commerce, cripples their trade, and
deprives them of the power of competing in the foreign
market. In Great Britain the people are deprived some-
times of the Habeas Corpus Act, at other times of the liberty
of the Press, and at all times their prayers and petitions
are treated with inattentio❑ or disrespect. The people
demand that these evils shall be redressed, and these wrongs
removed. The House of Commons has felt the necessity for
the measure, and has yielded to public opinion ; and as
true Nobility is patriotism, we may say of the majority in
that House who adopted the Reform Bill—
., -- Never King of England
Had Nobles richer and inure loyal subjects."
But you, my Lords, have rejected the measure, and
have determined on entering the lists with the miilions—
with popular opinion, and with the public will. My
Lords, you must be vanquished. The conflict is unequal.
You have no chance of success except for the hour—and
the people will proceed to examine into the characters and
pretensions of those who oppose their wishes and resist
their authority. This is the examination which you
should avoid. My Lords, if you were prudent men, you
would never quarrel about a right of way over lands if
the title in those lands should be imperfect, lest in con-
tending about the right of way you lose the whole estate.
So, my Lords, if you are prudent men—if you are not
resolved on losing your hereditary titles—and if you
do not desire to descend to the grave as the last Earl
of Mansfield and the last Earl of Harrowby, you will
hasten to repent of the votes which you have given ;
and will seek, whilst it is yet time, to repair the evils
of your most absurd and distressing vote. My Lords, if
your hereditary titles and honours be the sole obstacles to
the establishment of a national system of representation in
England, you will very soon lual out, that the House of
Commons must become a Constituent Assembly, and the
Charter of King John be modified by one from King Wil-
liam. You cannot arrest the pi ogress of civilization ! You
cannot arrest the march of knowledge, and of civil and
religious liberty ! The torrent must be too impotent for
the pebble, and you who now hope to preserve to your
descendants to the third and fourth generations, as well
your titles as your wealth, will, by a persistence in your
present course of hardy and dangerous opposition, en-
dsuger not merely the titles, but the fortunes of your
grandchildren. My Lords, all hereditary titles and
honours are a dangerous description of property to possess,
and that danger is rendered more imminent when those
who hold these titles and those honours oppose themselves
to the public will, and set themselves in opposition to the
wishes and hopes of a nation. If your love of liberty will
not constrain you, at least let experience teach you. If
you will not be patriotic, at least be prudent. If you
will not support your King, at least support your order.
And if you do not desire to witness the abolition of the
British Hereditary Peerage, make a compromise with the
King and his Ministers—with Parliament and the country,
before it be too late, or some future and not distant histo-
rian will record—

For the British Hereditary Peerage lOO •
Against the British Hereditary Peerage 5OO
Majerity against the British Hereditary Peerage —4oo
" Now is the accepted time—now is the day of salva-
tion !" My Lords, think of these things, and avoid the
late of the French Hereditary Peerage.
I have the honour to remain, Most Noble Peers,

Your Lordships' obedient servant,

O. P. Q.

REFORM MEETINGS.-(THIS DAY).

VINTRY WARD.

At twelve o'clock this day a meeting of the inhabitants
of this Ward was held at Cutler's-hall, to consider the pro.
priety of addressing his Majesty on the rejection of the
Reform Bill by the House of Lords.
Mr. Deputy BLACKETT, in the absence of Mr. Alderman
Winchester, took the chair.
Mr. Knapp, Mr. G. Wilson, Mr. Sprague, Mr. Hall,
jun., Mr. Sheppard, Mr. Marsden, jun., and other gen-
tlemen addressed the meeting. Resolutions expressive of
confidence in his Majesty and his Ministers, and urging
the immediate prorogation and speedy assembling of Par-
liament were passed, as was a petition to his Majesty,
founded on them.

FORFAR, OCT. 15.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.

SlA,—Aware of your zeal jn the cause of Reform, I
do not deem any apology necessary for this letter. The
intelligence of the success of the faction, in defeating the
benevolent intentions of our patriotic King and his excel-
lent Minist: y, reached this town on Tuesday morning, and
within an hour the whole population were in a ferment__
resolution and rage depicted in every countenance. Our
worthy Chief Magistrate instantly tesolved to call a general
meeting, and at three o'clock, the hour fixed, from two
to three thousand assembled at the Town .hall, when an
adjournment became necessary to the parish church. The
Magistrate and every person of respectability in the com-
munity were present. An address to the King, praying
him to perseiere in the measure of Reform, to exercise his
prerogative in securing its triumphant success, and to
continue his confidence in his present enlightened and
honest advisers, and pledging the lives and fortunes of the
meeting in furthering the measure, was passed unani-
mously amidst the most enthusiastic cheering ; and, after
various speakers had impressed on all present the para-
mount necessity of obeying the law, and enforcing their
claims by constitutional means only, the meeting separated
peaceably, previously giving long and loud cheers for the
King and his Ministry.

MY Lord Wharncliffe has a large property in the
neighbourhood. Had he been present he would have been
relieved of his pretended doubts whether the Bill is satis-
factory to the country !
In detailing the proceedings at Forfar, I only give you
a picture (under coloured) of the steps which have been
taken ip every town of this large and populous county;
and, however the Oligarchy may flatter themselves, de-
pend upon it that le,s than " the Bill, the whole Bill,"
never will be accepted by what I may truly call the una-
nimous and deeply-seated resolution of Scotland. We
would despise the measure proposed for Scotland, unless
as a part of the same admirable and Statesmanlike Re-
forms intended for the three kingdoms. I am, Sir,
A BURGESS OF FORFAR.

PUBLIC MEETING OF THE INHABITANTS
OF EDlNBURGH.—Yesterday a public meeting of the in-
habitants of Edinburgh took place in the great Waterloo
Room, for the purpose Of expressing their unabated at-
tachment to the Reform proposed by his MAJESTY'S Mi-
nisters, and their most ardent wishes that his MAJESTY
would continue his confidence in his Ministers, and adopt
whatever measures *might be deemed necessary for carrying
the great question of Reform. The meeting was called at
' two o'clock ; and shortly after one the hall became crowded
to excess. We are sure that there were not less than 1400
or 1500 of the most respectable citizens of Edinburgh pre •
tont on this occasion. At two o'clock, the Committee took
their places on the platform, among whom we observed Sir
JOHN DALRYMPLE, Bart. ; Sir THOMAS DICK LAUDER,
Bart. ; Sir ALEXANDER MAITLAND GIBSON, Birt. • Sir
JAMES GIBSON CRAIG, Bart. ; ROBERT GRAHAM, S(l',
advocate; ANDREW SKENE, El., advocate; ANDREW
RUTHERFORD, Esq., advocate; JOHN CUNNINGHAM, Esq.,
depute-advocate; J. B. GREENSHIELDS, Esq., advocate;
Dr. WLAGGAN, &c. &c. &e. The greatest unanimity
and harmony prevailed. The resolutions were severally
put by the Chairman, and carried by acclamation.--New
North Briton of Saturday.

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LONDON,
TUESDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 18, 1831.

After an extended discussion on the Vestry Bill
last night in the House of Lords, the third reading
of the Consolidation Fund Bill was proposed, when
the Duke of WELLINGTON entered into some ge—
neral, and not very luminous, details respecting the
state of the finances,.and contended that the ma-
nagement of them under his own Administration
was better than the mode pursued by the present
Government, as was shown by the fact that
there was a greater surplus of revenue
than now existed. Earl GREY, in reply, observed
that he confidently reckoned on a surplus of 493,0001.,
and that he considered it far more advisable to allow
the money to remain in the pockets of the people
than to extract it for the purpose of keeping up a
sinking fund. In the course of his speech, the
Noble Earl took the opportunity of refuting the mis-
representations that had gone abroad respecting
an interview that the delegates of the different
metropolitan parishes had recently had with him on
the subject of the prorogation of Parliament. He
observed he had not stated that it was the intention
of Government to prorogue Parliament till January,
but merely gave an assurance that the period
,of the
prorogation would be wholly guided by what
should be deemed best for the advancement of
the great measure. His Lordship added that
he should not think of proposing a more protracted
prorogation than was absolutely necessary. His
speech on the whole was highly gratifying, and has
this morning given very great and general satisfac-
tion in the city. Equally satisfactory is the tenor
of his Lordship's letter (which will be found in
another column) to Sir J. C. HOBUOUSE, wherein
he observes that it will be the most anxious
wish of his colleagues and himself to merit
a continuance of the public approbation ; " which
we know can only be secured by a steady, con-
sistent, and persevering conduct, directed to the
accomplishment of a real Reform in the representa-
tion of the people, not less efficient than that which
has been so lately rejected." On the subject of the
prorogation, Lord BROUGIIAM wholly coincided in
opinion with Earl GREY, and declared besides that
there was not the slightest ground for the rumours
that he differed with Earl GREY on the question of
Reform. So far from it, he concurred with him in
all the details of the Bill.

The Bankruptcy Court Bill and the Vestry Bill
will both be passed to-night, when the Commons
will adjourn to Thursday, on which day both Houses
will probably be prorogued, for no longer a period,
however, than is absolutely necessary. Our readers
will perceive, on reference to our Parliamentary Re-
port, that it is not the intention of the Chancellor of
the Exchequer to proceed with the Spring Guns
Bill.

The following are extracts from the Allgenteine
Zeitung and Frankfort Papers to the I Ith inst., re-
ceived this morning:—

(From an Italian Paper.)
SPEZZIA, SEPT. B.—The National Assembly will meet
on the 20th instant. Sentence will then be passed on the
authors of the crime committed at Poros, and the chief
prisoners, viz., Mavrocordato and Tricupis, will probably
meet with the punishment they merit.
The island of Hydra is blockaded by the Greek ships,
a Russian frigate, and a French frigate. A Russian man
of war has stopped two Hydriot schooners, that were sent
out by the faction at Hydra, for the purpose of collecting
a number of vagabonds in the gulf of Volo, and of
making an attempt upon Egioa. The people of
Hydra manifest their indignation against the leaders
of the insurrection. The latter, listening to the sugges-
tions• of Mavrocardato, have sent four ships to the coast
of itlaina, in order to excite new troubles there. They
will, however, be overtaken by the ships of the Govern-
ment and the Allies. Meantime the Greek Government
has assembled about 7,000 men, under the command of
Colocotroni and Niketos in the vicinity of Calamata
Maina to prevent any insurrection in the country.
It is also intended to send an expedition to Syra, if the
heads of the faction, who are now there, are not arrested.
VIENNA, OCT. 6.—Five per Cent. Metalliques 811.
.t ;
Four per Cent. ditto, 72ii ; Bank Shares, 991,
Morarcif, Ocr. 7.—To-day his Majesty presided in the
Council of State, in which his Royal Highness the Crown
Prince, who, ever sines he came of age, has been out of
the kingdom, received in person the oath of the Constitu-
tion, which he sent in writing from Gottingen, on the
4th of December, 18'29, and in the presence of the King
and the whole Council, with the formalities usual on taking
an oath swore " Fide'ity to the King, Obedience to the
laws, and observance to the Constitution."
CassEL, OCT. 7.—His Highness the Electoral Prince,
wbo is appointed joint Regent, and, during the absence of
his fatlvr, sole Regent, made his solemn entry into this
city to-day, and was received with the greatest joy and
affection by the inhabitants, who were deligh.ed at the
prospect of having the Court again here, and are also
greatly attached to the Prince.
BEELIN, OCT. 7.—The following table of the propor-
tion of deaths, from the cholera, to the population of the

places which have been visited by it, shows an enormous
difference, the causes of which it would be interesting to
ascertain precisely :
STATEMENT OF THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WHO DIED OF TILE
ASIATIC CHOLERA, OUT OF 1,000 INHABITANTS, FROM THE
FIRST MANIFESTATION OF THE DISORDER TO THE 36T11 DAY :
In Lemberg 441/
Higa
Mitau
Posen
St. Petersburgli
Konigsberg 9
Elberg 8
Dantzic 6Y,
Stettin
Berlin 3

The private correspondence from Paris men-

tions that the army of Prussia in the Rhenish
provinces is immensely increased, and that there
are rumours in the capital of new difficulties started
by the King of HOLLAND. The same authority adds

that the French army on the northern frontiers is
being hourly augmented.

At one o'clock another Cabinet Council was held
at the Foreign-office in Downing-street, at which
were present—The LORD CHANCELLOR, the Mar-
quis of LANSDOWNE, Viscounts MELBOURNE, PAL-
MERSTON, GODERICH, and ALTHORP, the Earl
of CARLISLE, Lord HOLLAND, the Right Hon.
C. GRANT, Lord JOHN RUSSELL, Mr. STANLEY,
and Sir JAMES GRAHAM. The Ministers remained
in deliberation a considerable time.
After the Council a conference of the Ministers
of the Five Great Powers took place.

Lord FITZROY SOMERSET held a Levee at the
Horse Guards this day, at one o'clock, which was
numerously attended by General Officers.

THE MARKETS.-(THIS DAY.)
HAY MA RKETS.—(At per Load of 36 Trusses.)

. _
CUMBERLAND (LATE ST. JAMES'S.)
Coarse heavy Lowland Meadow Hay £2 5 to £? 10
New Meadow Hay . IS 3 10
Useful Old Ditto
Fine Upland Meadow and Rye-grass Hay 3 15 4 5
clover Hay 4 10 5 0
Oat Straw £1 Bto £1 121 Wheat Straw... 1 14 1 16
. . .

Supply good, trade dull, and prices stationary.
SMITHFIELD.

Coarse heavy Lowland Meadow hay £2 5 to £2 10
New Meadow Hav 3 0 3 10
Uieful Old Ditto . 15 3 5
•

Fine Upland Meadow and aye-grass Hay ...... ... 3 10 4 0
Clover Hay (extra tine)...£s 15 _Generally .... 3 15 5 "0
()at Straw £llO to .£1 12 I Wheat Straw 114 116
Best Meadow Hay 45., Straw tls. per load lower than last
quoted ; prices otherwise stationary Supply short, and trade
dull.