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London, England, 1825-01-04 00:00:00

COUNTY GRAND JURY.

The County Panel was then called over, and the Jurors not
attending, they were called on fines of 101. After some little
delay, the following Gentlemen were sworn on the County
.Grand Jury :

ing, Foreman.
John Wisdom John Helton
John J. Boileau Jonathan Bagnoll
Francis Mills William Hutton
Thomas Macready Wilson Mills
Richard Gooden John H. Stanley
Georgeom Stapleton
Fry J. Stevens
Frederick Dempster John Birch
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Alexander Ferrer
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Jonathan Jesson William. Pickering
William Figgis Thomas Sherlock, and
John Morris Benjamin Ayton
Mr. Justice MOORE then dressed the Grand Juries ; but
Thomas
his Lordship, at the commencement, spoke in so low a tone,
that it was with great difficulty we could catch his words at
the extreme distance at which we were situated. His Lord-
ship commenced by observing, that, although the respective
calendars of the city and county exhibited nothing to the
present Commission of a serious nature in the way of crimes
deserving capital punishment, nevertheless he would men-
tion to them other offences which required their considers
tion, and of a nature which they were not often called upon
to decide. Before he would proceed to them, he would
submit a few observations to them. First, he begged to
congratulate the County Grand Jury on a matter which
he considered of the utmost importance, and that was. in
having established under a late Act the Constabulary
force in their county. It reflected the highest honour on
their characters to . have carried the provisions of this Act
into effect in the best manner, and the most conducive to
the public interest. The selection of this force was made
without favour or affection to any one. No description
of force could be. more conducive to preserve the quiet
and good order of the country than this. In all the quarters of
the country lie visited he found that under proper regulations,
it rendered the most essential services in preserving the pub-
lit peace—and his Lordship said he. considered it a great defect
that such a force had not been earlier established, because
whatever disposition the Magistrates and the Geutiginez) like

Sir A. B. K.

those comprising the Oven& Jury, may have to enforce the
laws, their execution could not be carried into effect in many
cases, from not having persons in the lower department able and
disposed to forward this part of their duty, And it was on this
account that he looked upon this regulation as of the utmost
importance. His Lordship continued to observe that he con-
sidered it of equal importance and equally necessary that
the Magistrates would be enabled when assembled at their
Petty Sessions to keep in controul this force—they could watch
over the proceedings of its members—they could call them to
account before them, and visit their acts with whatever degree
of censure or praise they deserved. It was on this account that
he looked upon the formation of the constabulary force, as one
of the most important measures effected since the establishment
of British law in this country. . .
The next subject to which he would call the attention of the
City grand Jury " was, that long continued and dreadful
combination called the onion of Trades. This evil was car-
ried to a great extent. heretofore it seemed confined to
particular trades, but now it appeared there was a corres-
pondence carried on through all parts of the country, and an
intercourse established between the various towns. This
his Lordship looked upon as one of the greatest evils
which afflicted the country at the present moment. The
parties engaged held their regular assemblies—they formed
Courts, and issued their decrees, which awarded and inflicted
punishment, and this was not only attended with personal vio-
lence, but went to the extent of enforcing death itself on those
who may come under their denunciations. These were crimes
of a flagitious nature, and should not be suffered to exist.
Strangers from another country are not allowed to work or earn
their bread in this, without the license of this body ; and if they
attempt it, what is the consequence but the' death of the party
offending ? Is it to be tolerated that a person must be persecuted
for endeavouring to provide for his family? The Gentlemen of the
Grand Jury may suppose their city free from the crimes of White
boyism ; but was not the present system en offence of this cha-
racter. The parties assemble at night, they resort to burning the
houses of, if they cannot meet, the persons they are in purauit
of to inflict vengeance upon. His Lordship considered that in
strict analogy they should be regarded as guilty of the same
offence as Whiteboyism. They were illegally combined—they
have their illegatoatlis by which they are bound, and they le-
gislate on what manner the King's subjects are to earn their
bread—how long they are to work—what materials they are to
use—what payment they are to receive, all of which regulations
evidently establish that a dreadful combination is in full force
and operation to dispense with the laws of the land, when such
measures are allowed to take place. His Lordship asked,
need he illustrate this by referring to any recent instances ?---
There were found some spirited and honest individuals whore+
slated these demands, but they were surrounded by difficulties
which prevented them from carrying their intentions into effect,
so that the transgressors found more protection than those who
wished to obey,. and who suffered under the laws. Was this a
state to be endured ? He would not call on them for a remedy,
because that already existed under the present laws, but he
would require they should be enforced so as to afford an ex-
ample to all classes. A person recently imported English
wrought iron work, but lie was not allowed to employ it with
effect here in his business, in consequence of this combine,
tion. ‘Vhat insanity did these combinators manifest, for, if the
people of England resorted to retaliatory meaeures,what would bee
come of the Irish peasantry who resort in such shoals to that man-
try, and yet they will not allow a native from that to come here to
exercise the mechanic arts. How many establishments would
fail if this were allowed ? Look to what happened to the Gee
Company, and to .Messrs. Hutton ; and even persons who were
disposed to come from Scotland to sink their capital in title
country were prevented. This country hadeno other etiarkee
but Great Britain for its principal productions; and if these
p.ersone were allowed to proceed in their work of proscrip•
lion, and be suffered to dictate in this manner, they would
reduce the country to beggary. His Lordship said an instance
of the evil consequences of their measures came under hie
own observation :—He had occasion to repair au old house;
but the persons lie employed were called upon to pay some suit'
of money to these combinators. They were regularly noticed.
when they refused, these combinators sallied out to wreak their
vengeance on those persons; and when they escaped that, the
work was pulled down. His Lordship mentioned this, he said',
that the Gentlemen of the City Grand Jury should make use 0)
the power which the laws gave them to correct those evils.
His Lordship said he would not detain them much longs
than to revert to a subject which would also come under
their consideration. In resorting to the place where 10
duty obliged him to go before opening the Commission-410
Record-office—he found there an information charging an in'
dividual with a certain offence, and which was returned et)
behalf of the Crown. It was his duty to state what the lalf.
was in this case. If the indictment should go up to them, the/
were to satisfy themselves on two points—first as to tbl
identity of the individual—and next as to the identity ll'
substance of the words spoken. If the evidence eatisfi
them that the substance and import of the words had ti?l,.
meaning attributed to them, they were next to ascertall
their tendency was such as that imputed to them. He woe);
not say what the charge was, further than to observe, that
be made criminal there must be some illegal design impute',
to the speaker. In order to satisfy themselves they must judW
of the object and meaning of the words, and consider whetheii
they were of that nature as set forth in the indictment, Ou
whether the speaker intended them in that meaning. On tb'
point he took the authority of the first legal tribunal in 1
Empire the Court of King's Bench in England. They con,
only estimate the meaning intended from other circumstanct,'
The Gentlemen of the Bar know this was the dictum of tl
Court of King's Bench in the case of Sir Francis Burdett, 0
he trusted the Jury would not be influenced by any thing es,
cluSive of the case before them.
The witnesses for the prosecution were then sworn to g(i
evidence.

Correspondent Office—Seven o'Clork.,
We stop the Press to announce, that the Grand Jury bor
thrown out the Bill preferred against Mr. O'ComarrLt..

LETTER FROM THE REVEREND SIR HARCOViii

LEES, BA RT.
To the Editor of the Dublin Morning Post.
Friday, December 31, 1824' p
SlR—Observing that you have stated in your Paper
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this day, that " it is rumoured that the Attorney-Gene has commenced legal proceedings against Sir Hard
Lees," I beg leave to assure you that I have received ",„
official notification of the kind. At a period like
present, when the public mind Is much agitated, I idlP,
esteem it a favour, tf you will not, in future, connect 111;
name with any rumours that may be afloat, or I will t
be responsible for the consequence in the country at
moment of alarm. I will give you, Sir, the earliest inil,rt
mation should any legal proceeding take place. At rd.
sent I have heard of three reports, all equally prolfrabli_
One, that an ex-officio will certainly be filed, unless I 15
Popish Priest; and sooner than comply with this coneiliow„i
stipulation, I would prefer the Inquisition. Another rel":":/
is prevalent in London—that a Royal Commission, with
H. Lees at the head of it, is to be issued, for examining isle
and reporting on the religious disqualification (faunacd
the General Councils of the Church of Rome) which PI
militate against conceding political power to Roman Cat/W'
And the third rumour, which distances the former two,
" that Sir Harcourt Lees and Dan O'Connell are to run a
from the Corn Exchange to Maynooth College, and that VI!
cipation, or legitimate coercion, will be the Constitutional te,"o
of the uurna ferspiration of these two political and religi
Antagonists. will bet ten to one I beat Dan.
In haste, HA RCOURT LEES`

. MELANCHOLY OCCURRENCE.—About a )0..
xight since, a young woman was delivered of a child it;
Martin's 'Workhouse, and was considered to be doing I'.
but in two or three days she was seized with an inflanql
tion of the bowels. She was most assidiously attendeke
Messrs. Simmons and Gosna, the parish surgeons, but of
skill was unavailing, and she died on Christmas-eve. 00
morning of Christmas-day, the two gentlemen above.menties
attended at the Workhouse for the purpose of opening o;
body—an operation which, melancholy to relate, has
ready cost one of them his life, and has placed the odic! II
extreme danger of the same fate. Mr. Simmons, while 4
the act of removing the intestines, slightly lacerated ogeti
his fingers, but paid no attention to the circumstances at
time; and it singularly happened, that in the coursed f it,
operation Mr. Gosna wiped his hands upon a cloth in
a pin was sticking, and scratched his finger so as to bring bl
viola
On the following day (Sunday) Mr. Simmons had a vios.f
pain in the arm, extending to the shoulder, and two tunsevd
formed under the arm, near to the arm-pit. Fomenretio,
were applied, and some relief obtained both from tin:
and the reduction of the tumours, but it was with extra
difficulty that the unfortunate gentleman could be preeol,i
on to take medicine, and he soon had a relapse; the mivi`
increased
and he breathed his last on Sunday everQ
at his house at Pimlico. Mr. Gosna was similarly attooo
and continued up to yesterday in extreme danger. Therfd
be no doubt that these lamentable occurrences were occasiy,i
by the introduction of morbid matter into the system by to I,+
of the slight wound which each gentleman received. The
of Mr. Simmons will be long regretted by all classes in the
rish of St: Martin, as well as by all those who knew hinl
vately. We have the authority of a worthy magistrate tt.
takes an active part in the affairs of that parish for sayings
a more worthy and humane man could not well be found'
that his professional skill was unquestiouable.—(llfor
Paper.)

THE SUN.

SOLEI/ QUIZ DICERE 1,41.8U31 JUDEAT

LON DON,
TUESD,III EVENING, .1.4 N. 4, 1825.

From the best information which we have been
able to collect respecting the contest between the
Turks and the Greeks, it seems to he the inten-
tion of the Holy Alliance, with the concurrence of
Greet Britain, not to interfere in support of either
Party. The Turk is obstinately bent to re-
COYPT the sovereignty over the Greeks, and the
latter are equally resolved to effect their iude-
Pendence. Under a conviction that such is the
disposition of the contending parties, it Is obvious
that no amicable intervention on either side would
be attended with a beneficial result. The chief
object on the part of the Powers of Europe, will
be the maintenance of perfect neutrality, and to
leave the contending parties to a trial of their
respective strength till time and Providence shall
determine the issue.

The important question respecting the Inde-
pendence of the Spanish and Portuguese Colo-
Wes seems likely in a very short time to be
I,nelly settled. It is understood that Mr. CAN.
leiso has actually signified to the Foreign Mi-
nisters now in London that it is the positive de-
termination of his MAJEsTy's Government to
conclude Commercial Treaties with the ftepub-
nes of Mexico and Columbia. It may therefore
be fairly presumed that the Honourable Secre-
tary has communicated this important determi-
nation of the British Cabinet to the Courts of
Spain and Portugal. After such treaties have
actually taken place, the next step on the part
of our Government must necessarily be the for-
mal recognition of the independence of both
those Republics, as it is obviously impossible
that Spain and Portugal can ever recover their
sovereignty over them.

The Paris Papers of Saturday arrived last
night. The Addresses of the Chambers, in re-
ply to the KING'S Speech, were presented on
Friday, and as usual they merely echo the Royal
sentiments. The KING'S answers are worthy of

notice, as they evince a determination to re-
store things as much as possible to the state
in which they were previous to the Revo-
lution ; and that such is the intention of the
French Cabinet is very evident from the decid-
edly counter-revolutionary tone assumed by the
Ministerial Journals. On Monday the projects
of law respecting the proposed indemnity to the
emigrants and the Civil List, were to be laid
before the Chamber of Deputies, in which the Mi-
nister has a decided majority ; and report says that,
in order to strengthen his influence in the Cham-
ber of Peers, where the Opposition Party is very
strong both in numbers and talent, M. de VIL-
LELE intends to create eighteen Ecclesiastical
Peers.

We extract the folio‘‘ ing article; respecting
the affairs of Greece and Turkey; from a Frank-

fort Paper of. the 98th ult., which arrived this

morning :

FROM TUE DANUBE, DEC. 12.

The Chancery of Foreign Affairs at Vienna, is more ac-
tively employed than ever. The number of the couriers dis-
patched from this office is Very considerable, and every
thing indicates that affairs of the highest importance at pre-
sent employ our Statesmen. If we may credit the reports in
circulation the negotiation carrying on between our Cabinet
and some other great Courts, relate to the affairs of Greece
and the future fate of that country. All the reports that
have been spread of a supposed misunderstanding be-
tween some of the Powers on this subject are built on
very slight foundations, for only those present, who by
their situation are initated in the secrets of politics, can
be in possession of the facts relative to the negociations, hut
will take care not to betray any such secrets. On the other hand,
considering all that has passed, a well-founded hope is enter-
tained that all the Great Powers, without exception, will unite
and that the important question respecting Greece will be de-
cided in a manner perfectly In harmony with the general wel-
fare of Europe. Rut in the end the most difficult thing will
be to isduce the Porte to listen to reason ; for by the last
accounts from Constantinople it is known that the Sultan
and the privileged party in the Divan still insist on
the unconditional submission of the Greeks, and that the pro-
posal made by one of the most most ancient Turkish Statesmen
to place the Morea on the same footing as Moldavia and Wal-
lachia, not only excited great dissatisfaction in the' Divan,
but has placed in a very critical situation the author
of the proposal, who was most violently threatened. The
Turkish Government is not UQ blind as not to be sensible
that it would expose itself to inevitable destruction if it ven-
tured to break with the great Powers. The late combined
steps of the European Ambassadors, peremptorily requiring
the evacuation of ;the principalities, have had the desired
effect. Positive information has been received at Vienna through
the Austrian Consul, not only that orders for the evacuation had
arrived, but that they had been immediately carried into exe-
catkin, and that the troops stationed on the left bank of the
Danube are in full march to proceed to the right bank of that
river. There is no doubt that as soon as this is accomplished,
M. Menziacky will deliver his credentials as Charge d'Affaires
of the Russian Court.

Norfolk Papers. to the 7th December arrived
this morning, by which It appears that about
twenty vessels are at St. Thomas's preparing to
engage in the Slave-trade. Soveral of them are
American under Dutch colours.

New Brunswick Papers to the Sth December
have also reached us. The Batik transport had,
it is stated, arrived at St. John's from England,
with 13 Officers and sel rank and file of the Ve-
teran Battalion, commanded by Cot. Bulks, to
relieve the 81st Regiment, which was to embark
for Halifax upon the arrival of another transport,
which was momentarily expected.

The British Parliament would do well, on Its
approaching Session (says the intelligent Cor-
respondent who transmitted us the article under
the head of " Foreign Corn Trade"), to take
into immediate consideration the present absurd
laws respecting the Corn Trade. It is not true
that the agricultural interest would be ruined by
even a perfect freedom in the Corn Trade. But
if an absolutely unfettered trade be too much to
look for, under existing circumstances, for God's
sake let us at least get rid of the trickery and
fraud which is so deeply interwoven with the
system of averages. Let Government impose a
fixed duty on the admission of foreign Wheat, of
eight or ten shillings per quarter (a very
clever article iu the last EDINDURGII Re•
VIEW recommends six shillings), and other Grain
in proportion. We should then be advancing
the interests of the community in general, and
establish a more intimate union among nations ;
which, in the extension of markets, would be
every thing to this great commercial country.
Mr. CURWEN, Mr. ELLA( &N, and others, who
labour under such gross misapprehensions as
to the price at which Baltic Wheat may
be imported into England, will see, hi the
above letter, additional proof of the cor-
rectness of Mr. EDWARD SOLLY'II evidence
before the Committeeof the Hon. House of Com-
mons, on the Corn question ; and that in point
of fact, the evil would be greatly outbalauced by
the good that would result by the transit from
the restrictive to a free system.

INDIA.-111 the various topics for discussion on
the attempt which will be made to renew the
East India Company's Charter, none will exceed,
in interest or importance, the question which will
arise on " the difficulty of determining any mea-
" sure of State, with regard to the widely-increas-
" inn branch of India population, growing out of
" the irregular connexion of 30,000 Europeans,"
and which " has hitherto caused an apparent
" apathy on a question of such momentous poli-
" tical importance. The question must now soon
" force itself upon public consideration, and the
" longer it is delayed, the more difficult will be
" its decision."

Letters from Gibraltar to the 9th ult. an-
nounce the receipt of accounts from Madrid,
mentioning that the Spanish Ministry had deter-
mined to admit several kinds of prohibited British
cotton goods, on payment of a certain duty ; and
that this measure had originated in the e-xhausted
state of the Treasury, which was unable to meet
any further disbursements. It was calculated
that this procedure would cause a considerable
influx of the goods in question into Spain, and
that consequently the duty collected would alle-
viate in some measure the present wants of the
Government.

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