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portant ? He wonlil rscall to the re.cellection• of the Musa;
that early in the debateett the firSt night, he clad stated tree
course which it was theiotention of Gi;verirruent to pursue.
He then made it kriown, that on an ca. ly day they would
open their vieW of the situation ef the eount ry, and furnish
the House with jmaterials on which to their judgment.
ha.d wt rho the pr en, was one of :Lose get nt 'crises
when it became the dilty at P.a.lialnetit to inquire into
the state of the caofitry, hr fare they iteleirtied what way
they should
.attemot to relieve the distreaS admitted to exist.
In Calliog House to -vote tilt Alli'esS then proposed,
he had *tiaid it would pledge no man'tri ;4'l)7'l:articular
,ot
conduct for tie time to come, and s, to=ni i>t ice t!esired that
no Man st;,,tthi consider that by dectliniog to Vote for the
proposition of the Learned tieutiernatt, picric:cal bioiaell
to any particular
.cOurse .\,:t he called 'upon
them to do now Was 0, rote that this was not the proper
Ihu t' fir earning to a decision 'ori a airoposition like that,
which had been brought hrtVre -them. lie should-More
the previous enestion. This (amid AO no ha: and )t.
would be mi'lrat to the same motion' being propounded
by the Honourable and Learned Gi-ntleinito on a future
day. He only claimed that thk qiieatioti shOuld be left
`open for the present—that they shou:d 'riot proceed to,
a decision without those Materials which were necessary to.
fotth their Judgment -Which it was in the -poWerof the Govern 7
ment to supply. When Ahe Hon. and Learned Gentleman`,
Seeitted' reads.. to consent. that theltouse -shoold retrace its,
'steps. he would go along- with him and say God forbid Hutt:
'the House should not -do so, where it was in their power to
repair an injury which the pleasures they had thought it wise
to adapt had caused ; but where through Many long Tears
particular line of poticY had been pursued, they ought not on.
a single speech and in a single night to elmoge their systeiii.
They ought to wait for such information as 01.01 satisfy
their own consciences, 'and pieve to posterity they were nos
prepared to act ion imperfect information; but that they were
careful before t Ireydecided, to take a cotrect; a sound, arid
an elaborate view of the whole merits of the case. IC he
knew any thing of that House,' those he addressed would not
feel disposed to go with the 'Hon. and Learned Gentleman.
-Nothing tharhe had said would make them lose sight of that
policy"on which they had heretofore-acted, or induce them to
abandon the principles of eternal justice by which tI ey Were
hound to peep good faith with the public creditor. The course
of measures Whitt' it would shortly become his duty-to pro-
pose to the House, would, he hoped, afford riot only relief
where the Learned Gentleman desired that it 'Should be given.,
but he trusted that it would be afforded in a more•compre-
henaive manner than it could be were the proposition now
tinder consideration adopted. The Horne would feel that
he ought not to' suffer himself to be betrayed into any pre.,
mature disclosure of the plans which his Majesty's Minis.
tors: were about to submit to Parliament ; but saying this,
be desired that it might- not he supposed that any dimi-
nution of taxation, which; consistent With the public in-
terest, could be resorted to, would be ovetlookrd. He
was prepared to say, that the mode of relief which •would
he suggested by the Government, as compared with •hat
recotrimended'hy 'the Hon: and Learned Gentleman, which
be thought improper and-unwise; would he found more ell'.
cjent ; and it would be for the House. to consider whether it
would lint be wise to attempt not merely affording relief by
remission of taxation; hot -by resorting to all those collateral
means which • Ministers thought might he used without
breaking through those general principles which the hest in-
terests of the country demanded should be res. reed inviolate.
It would be impossible for him, 'if' he aoswe red the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman in detail, to avoid entering :into state-.
ments from which at present it was his duty to abstain. He
could not make himself intelligible without •yetailing the
course which the Government meant to pursue, and if he did
this, how was he to-night to apply himself to the arguments
-of the Learned Gentleman? It appeared to hint (the Marquis
of Londonderry) that the Hon.' and Learned Gentleman
wished to bring the House into acquiescence with a proposi--
tiro!, of the soundness of -which he Was not thoroughty.cou-
vinced himself. If he were to do justice to his own propo
sition, supposing it to he sound; bewould be 'the first to4:a!1
on the House to act with caution, and give it the fullest con-
sideration before they adopted it. But it- was in vain to-at-
tempt disguising front themselves that this was nothing more
than an attempt to l:ain a pattyi vote, which, on the face of
it, would convey a censure to the Government, nod be con-
sidered a mark of the' House having withdrawn froth them
its confidence. He would put it to the House if they were to
carry this motion. without hearing what retrenchments it was
proposed to make, and what measures they' had to offer to
meet the existing distress, if it would nut be to pass a censure
on them, and to mottle- a want of confidence in his Majesty's'
present Ministers? if the House were disposed to act such
part-11 they were prepared to carry the present nuitiola with
less information before them than they would require to
justify t hem in passing• a common turnpike bill, they had.
'better at once begin by displacing the Goverriment.—(Fleal
In the name of God, .if they were ready to adopt such a Re-
solution as the Learned Gentleman had produced, merely on
his show iuK on this night, and which he had thought of brnig-
ing forwardat a late 'period on a former evening, let them
at once charge him with the Government of the country :
'and they could not give him a better earnest of their entire
confidence in his wisdom than by agreeing, !order such sir
entustinices, with his present resolution. Placed in the situ-
ation of Minister, he might then he supplied with some in-
formation, collected by the present Government, which he
now wanted: He might then find, that, comprehensive as
was the view which he had taken on the subject,- there were
'onto -little points which bast slipped him; and, Wormed on
these, the Howe would then be in possession of a Minister
who would know bow to revise his own decision It would be
better that the House and his- Majesty's present Ministers
should perfectly understand each other. -lithev had lost the
confidence of Parliament, of which circumstance be himself
had as yet seen no indication, it would be better for the coun-
try, and a relief for the individuals forming the Givernment,
to make this known at once. lithe Honourable and Learned
Gentleman possessed their confidence, to which every politi-
cian had a right to aspire, he ought to take his seat on the
Ministerial bench. Unless he were enabled to do so, he could
not do justice to himself. There all his sagacity would be
necessary. He (the Marquis of Londonderry) would, however,
.do the Hon.-and Learned Gentleman the justice to believe,
that he was not so rash as to pledge himself to stand by the
speech which he had made that night. When he got into his
'office, whether as Holder of the Seals, or as Chancellor r

he Exchequer, or whatever the situation he might fill,, the
first thing he would do would he to call on the House to
proceed with caution, and to pause before they acted on his
present resolution. . The course now taken by the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman was not a new one. It was stn bid expe-
dient found in that office, to which be was supposed to have
succeeded; for it was whispered that within these few days
he. had been elevated to that situation on the other side of
the House, which the world had been led to suppose was
assigned to the Hon. Member for Aberdeen,—(Laughter.)—
Perhaps an arrangement had been made, so that the tich.
and Learned Gentleman should hold it for the present, bet
stiffer it agnin to devolve on the-Hon. Member for Aberdeen,
when he (Mr. Brougham) .was on the Circuit .—(Laughter..,
he cotrte now taken, as he bad already remarked, oas nu
anew one. Much the same thing had been done on a former
occasion on the eve of a great debate. At the moment when
the House was about to lake-into consideration the currency
of the State, which question, according to the Leal-lied Gen-
tleman-had not been disposed of with all the wisdom that
could have been desired; and when the House was under a
notice given by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that be
would soon bring the finances of the country under their con-
sideration,
then it was that a Right Hun. Gentlenian took
upon himself to act a part similar to that whirl; bad hero
taken by the Fkon. and Learned Gentleman to night. His
Right Hon. Friend was about to do what the Right Hon.
Gentleman had -called upon him for years to db. Itepeutedly.
had the Right Han. Gentleman complained- that the Chan-
cellar of the Excbeiree acted with pusillanimity, that. his
measures were feeble, and that be failed in his duty by adopt-
ing temporary measures, and declining to look the evil in the
face. He had drelared that he would never be the nr+n to
shrink from supporting a Minister who fairly r:id his duty by
making the conniry acquainted with its real situation. But
when the Chancellor ,of the Exchequer was about to do the
very.thing he was called upon to do, what was the conduct of
the Right Honourable Gentlentan ? Wiry just then it was
that he tried to accomplish that which was now attempted by
the Bon: and Learned Gentleman, namely, to take an elabv•
rate view of the state of the country, in order to gain wparty
vote and shake the confidenceof Parliament in the Ministers.
He thought. as he remarked'at the time, that the Right Hon.
Gentleman had brought his army into the field too soon, but
an arrtiy less disposed to mislead their Chief than that which
fur the last two evenings they had had the pleasure of Meet-
ing, he hiniSchlom seen., He had, however, never Loosest a
question of Management (as it was calied in Parliamentary
tatqtnage) thus brought forward to fail of gaining a rebuke
frorr the- House.' The man who thought so humbly of the
undeistaoding of the country Gentlemen in that-House and
iif the HOuse 'at large as to-suppose that such an artifice
wOnlif unit 'ire seen through; had soon heen taught that
mistiken them, and pliced in no very- flattering
srtiontion. Lle- should be inuch"surprised if the llonourable•
and Learned'Gentleniati was 'not as thuroughly taught that
that Houie tars nut thus to be entrapped by•wanage wept in-
to ' a (ra'r.ty-‘kitt!, as the Right Hfnourable Gentleman had-
beet; on' date ectasion to which Ge had'referred. was
tlie vie* which he tOok 'of the present net ii
with • !tte' k*.riatii question, becatsie be Witold Pledie the
tfonsetis ritr a 'ftiloti•iitithe subjects which" it' inyoleed, let
Nits)! 'erat Ire • prepared"to- hring forn•aicl the
system on' ivfAitti'Vtinitnets ikt‘tifiused to act. He snuuld be
tzp.. • •