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London, England, 1836-05-02 00:00:00

THE SAN',LOiNhON, MONDAY, MAY 2. 18:36.

he (Mr. Pemberton) suggested that the Bill should be either
compulsory or completely voluntary. The Noble Lord
dissented from that opinion, and expressed his determination
to persevre in the principle he bad laid down. In thus
decloaa iin he was cheered by Hon. Members on that (the
Ministerial) side of the House. The Noble Lord had, how-
ever, adopted the suggestions of the present Bill, and he ( Mr.
P.) supposed the same Hon. Members who cheered the Noble
Lord's dec'aration on a former occasion, would have come
forward and assist him iii carryin,, those suggestions into ef-
fect. By another portion of the Bill, it was competent for
the parishioner to agree upon the amount of the rent
cha-ge, and how it was to be apportioned. It was quite
obviotN that it had been a question with the framers of
the Bill whether they should take the tithe according
to the value of the land, or the value of the produce oi' the
land. Another alteration in the Bill was with respect to the
hop groimds. As the Bill row stood, those lands now in
Ovation for hops would be fixed with the high tithe, though
they should be out of such cultivation in a few years; and,
on the other hand, those lands which might be put into
► ult'valion for hops, after the passing of the Bill wou'd be fixed
with only the small tithe now put upon them. In the former
Bill the secretary and clerks were to be appointed by the Com-
missioners. By the present Bill these Commissioners were
not so independent as before, for the protection of being re-
movable only upon the address of the two Houses was taken
from them, as was the appointment of the secretary and clerks,
which was given to the Lords of the Treasury. With respect to
these matters there was much alteration, both in principle and
detail. He regretted there was not embodied in the Bill the
scheme of the Noble Lord for the absolute redemption of
tithes ; that was one subject of regret to him, for he thought
it would have much improved it. He did not complain of the
rate at which the commutation was fixed; he thought it was
fair, and that the Government deserved credit for it; but on
the other grounds stated he must oppose the Bill.
Lord, JOHN RUSSELL said the object of the Govern-
me rierr hot to take to themselves the credit of preparing a
Bill s)).ch required no alteration ; their object had been to
v.2.eol"*a Bill which would work fairly and satisfactorily to
th'esiptry.—( Hear.) He was ready to take the shame, if
sham t was, of havimg submitted to the reproach
and feeling of the Honourable Gentleman opposite, and of
saying that one of his alterations NN:IS a good and use-
ful alteration. As to individual agreements, he had
stated before, that the power of allowing individuals to make
agreements as to particular parts of their property was part of
the Bill.—(Hear.) He did not know that he could say
more than that he should agree to any proposition
consistent with that.
Mr. C. BUTLER said that it was with great regret that
he had allowed the Bill, without opposition, to go into Com-
mittee at all, because he was so opposed to the principle on
which the Bill was founded, that it appeared to him a mere
waste of the time of the House to sanction the Bill in any
shape whatever.—( Hear, hear.) However, as it was the duty
of every Member to make the Bill as perfect as possible, he
should object to the first clause—( Hear, hear, and laughter.)
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

and Connaught.—( Hear, hear, bear.) The wihole was a
system of patronage, injustice, and arbitrary power, and it
was uncalled fr, as the present police force was sufficient for
all ordicary purposes and on extraordinary emergencies, the
Lord-Lieutenant had a Peace Preservation Bill t,-) apply to.
It appeared to him that no amendment was likely to alter the
features of the Bill, or remove the objections which he had to
it, as unconstitutional, expensive, and unjust. His Nob!e
Friend behind him intended to move some amend-
, ment ; but in his opinion nothing would make it
thro v the power into the hands of persons who should seri-
He fe't great distrust in the result of the measure should it
Kass itto a law. He protested against it as an act of gross
injus ice aimed at the landed gentry of Ireland. He depre-
cate i giving power to any Governments, such powers as were
conferred by the proposed Act ; it was a power too great to
be entrust to any human being in a free country.---( Hear,
hey.) He could not forget that they lived in times of
great change, and that circumstances might arise which would
ously abuse it. He trusted their Lordships would pause be-
fore they would yield to the suggestions of those through whose
means the Bill was brought forward, and he should feel it his
duty to say non-content to its passing. He protested against
it in the name of the whole of the Protestants of Ireland—
he protested against it in the name of the
Roman Catholics who were not under the controul
and dominion of the faction who ruled the Government and
the country. He protested against it in the name of all who
desired the peace and prosperity of Ireland, and he trusted
they would only accede to such parts of it as would seem to
their Lordships calculated to promote the security, the tran-
quillity, and the happiness of all conditions of his Majesty's
subjects in Ireland.
Viscount MELBOURNE would be sorry to detain their
Lordships from going into Committee on this measure. accus-
tomed as be was and as the House was to the loud and hostile
tone of the Noble Earl, to his confident assertions and gross ex-
aggerations. He should however express his surprise at the tone,
manner, style, and tenor of his speech, and had not their Lord-
ships been acquainted with this measure, he should ask was it
a Bill, conferring new powers unknown to the Constitution,
did it propose to maize that perpetual which before was only
temporary. He would not then go into the details of
the measure, but he should deny the assertions
of the Noble Earl. He denied that it conferred
powers greater than those at present in the hands
of the Government. Every one was aware of the na
ure of the Police Establishment. Every one approved
(LEFT SPEARING.)

THE HOUSE OF Loans SWAMPED.—In consequence of the
almost unprecedented heighth to which the tide rose to-day,
the House of Lords was nearly surrounded with water. Many
persons in the gallery, when they saw the waters dashing
against the side of the House, and alosmost reaching the win-
dows, looked upon it as ominous of the tide of public opinion,
which seems to rise higher every day against the pro-
ceedings of their Lordships' House. At the present
moment, the coincidence must strike every body. The
Right Reverend Peersin particular, who—from their si-
tuation in the House must, if the rush of waters be too
strong to be resisted by the walls of the House—be the
first to suffer from it, cannot have felt over comfortable in their
place. They would have but a poor chance of floating either
on the waters of the Thames, or on the stream of public opi-
nion. Let us hope that their Lordships, both clerical and
temporal, will look upon the rise of the waters as a sign, and
immediately proceed to put their House in order.

KING'S BENCH.-SATURDAY.