The Sun.
London, England, 1813-03-13 00:00:00

Tug DEPOSITION OF SAMUEL ROBERTS.

I arifootman to the Princess of Wales. I re-
member the child b.:!ing taken by the Princess. I
never observed any particular appearance of the
Princess in that year—nothing that led me to be-
lieve that she was with child. Sir S. Smith used
to visit the Princess at Blackheath. I never saw
him alone with the Princess. He never stayed after
11 ,o'ciock. I reeollect Mr. Cole once asking me,
I think three years ap, whether there were any
favourites in the family•? I remember saying that
Captain Nanby and Sir Sidney Smith were fre-
tpiently at Blackheath, and dined there oftener
than any other mrsons. I never knew Sir Sidney
Smith to stay later than the Ladies. I ,cannot say
exactly at what hour he went, bat I never remem-
ber his staying alone with the Princess.

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(Signed) SANULL Roavavri.
Sworn at Lord Grenvilie's t;ouse, in
Downing-street, June 7, 1806, before us,

(Signed) ERMINV, GRENVILLF„
SPB:VCj ft, ELLPNBOROUOIi.

DEPOSITION 07 TROMAt STILEMAN.

I have been Page to the Princess. of ,Wales ever
since, she has been in.Ebgland. first sear
the child who is vrith the-Princess;it is abeet four
.years ago.. Her Royal Highness had a strong de-
sire tohaVe in infant, 'which 1 and -all the hoese
knew, I • heard 'there ' Was a ss otiiFit who bad
twins, one of which the Princess was desironS
to have, but the parents would not part with
it. A -Woman came to the' door with a pe-
tition to get her husband replaced in, the dock-
yard, Who, had been,removed • she had a child
with her; I took the child', I believe, and
sheave d it, to Mrs. Sanders, I then retuincd -the
child to the woman. ! made inquiries after 'the
father, and afterwards desired the woman to bring
the child again to the house, which she did. 'The
child waif to Princess.; alter the Princess
hid seen it, she desired the woman to Nike it again,
and bring it hack in it few; days, and Mrs. Saunders
Was ilesieettto 'provide linen lin it. Wit hin a few
days the child was broeght again by the mother
and-was left, and has been with the Princess ever
since:. 1 do not recollect 'the child had any mark,
but.upon.reflectiony I do recollect that the mother
said he was marked With elder mvitte on the hand.
The father the child, whose name is Austin,
lives -with me at Pimlico. My wife is a tatm-
dress; and washes the linen of the Prince, Austti
is employed to turn a mangle for me. The child
was born in Brownlow-street. I never .saw the
woman to my know ledge before .She carne with;
the petition totheddpr. I had no particular
di-
rections,by the Princess to procure .a child ; 1
thought it better to take the child of persoes of
good character than the child of a pauper. 'Nothing
led me, from the appearance •of the Princess, to
suppOse she was with child ; but front hershape it
is difficult to indge when she is with 'child. When
she..waS with child of the Princess Chailottc.'
should not have known it when shewas far ad=
vanced in her time, if I. bad not been told
Sir Sydney Smith,.at one time, visited very fre-
quench' et Montague House, two or three dmnet
a week, at the time the Princess was, altering her
room hi the TurkiSh style. Sir Sidney Stuith's
visits Were very fretpment, The Princess consulted
himn upon them. Mr,MOrell was the upholsterer
Sir Sydney Smith eaine frequently alone. He staid
alone with the Princess soinetiints till eleven
'Olelock at eight. • He has . been there till twelve
o'clock; at night, and after, 1 believe, alone with'
'the Princess. The Princess'is of that lively viva-
city, that she makes herself familiar with' Gentle
Men,' which prevented my being struck with, his
staying. so late, I do not believe that at' that time
any other Gentlemen" Visited time Prinees'a so Often
and stayed so late. ' I have seen the Princess, When
they were. alone,-simting with Sir Sydney Smith oe
the''sqhe sofa, ih the hlue'rohm. Dual access to the
.6lue--rooin.at all titiloi; there was tin inner' Nom
which. opened into the blue-room when that room
waS,pot lighted I did not go into it. • 1 itht
not consider that I had a right to ',I) into it.'
had no idea on what account 1 was brought here,
I did dot know that: the .Princess's cnimmlact. Was
questioned, or qiiestionable.' I wits with tlie-
Pracess at Ramsgate; when she wits at East Clitt,
COtain Manby was very 'frequently there went
away}' as late as eleven o'clock. I tin not retnem-
her Fanny Lloyd, being called up any morning to
make breakfast for the Piilltess, I did not like
Capt. Manby's ewning so often and stmiying'so late,
and I seas uneasy at It. J remember ii piece of ploi.;
a silver lamp, being sent to Capt. Manby I saw
it hi Siord's pOsiession ; Ire tolti we it was.fa'

Capra n Mnnhy, and he hat) letter to send v(th
.
it.. I- hare never seen .Capt. Mantr,,- at tne
testes, tit Ramsgate, before nine ht. the inotning;'
but I have beard he halt been there e:'trlior.
had never any suspicion of there being thing
improper, either from-The-frequent Sisits of Cap-
tain Manby, or frotu his Conduct. I was .at
therington with the Princess ; she used to. go 6ut
generally in her own chaise. I think "hale once
ur twice seen her go out with Mr.Hooa-, in his one-
liorst.chaise ; they have been out for two hoa:N,
or two hours and a half together. l believe only
ti day tWo elapsed between the -time of Abe,'
child being first brought again,. and left with thi!
Princess. I urn sure the child was nOt capea
after it had been first brought. Ido not rectillecl
any Gentleman ever 81e6pirig in the bOtISt". tdO
not remember Lawrence- the paititer every sieeri.,
ink; there. The •riiii,ecas -steim vuev fond 'of the
child ; it ifs alwuys called •

. • ' (Siglttbd) ' Ttio:yi. STliitzil:. 1
Sworn at 1..,07it Grenville's liouse, iu I)owniut•
b Ere:A . :luau 7, 180(1, th:fiat us, • - -
"(Signet)) Valtli.lNE, , GRZNV,TELE, 1
..,„
-,' SPENCER, -• .14ELENROROUGII,

Tits nuroiiTioti OF :JOItICSICARD:

khave lived seven years with, the Princess`of
Wales, am honse7sleward, turd have been in,thrt
situation from the end of six months- after I lirs-!
lived with her. Royal Highness. I remember the.,
child who is now •i,-vith the Princess of Wf..les-,
being brought there; it was abont fiiemonths'old
when it was brought, it is ahout four yeirirs' agO;"'
feat before ve went to Ramsgate. 1 had,bot. t fie;
least suspicion of the abject of my being 14ought
'here. 1 had an opportunityOf seeing thePrinc&s
'frequently;' I waited on her at dinner a.:d suppers;
neVer observed that the Princess had the app6,7.7'
duce of being with child.; I think
„it was h3rdly
possible that she should have been with child ith-
out my perceiving it. 'Sir S: Smith used to visit
very frequently at Montague House, in l',*;2,
with Sir John and Lady Douglas. He was
often,. I believe, alone. With the Princess, an,: so
wits sir. Canning . and other Gentlemen. I can-
not say that I ever snspected Sir Sidney Smith of
any improper conduct with 1-')e Princess 1 never
,had any.stis`picion of- the Princess acting inipro-
mly with Si S. Smith, °Carly. othei-Gentleman:
I remember Captain Munby at MoritagttO
House. The Princess of iyide.s did riot in.t.k for
the expellee of lifting np his cabin, hnt.elte fin en
furniture was ordered by' nie y direction of
Princess, of Newberry Incl Jiines. It was jitit, by
NeWberry and Jones in the Princess's bill; and
was paid fur with
.the rest.' of- the
Heyrnan. ,

(Signed)
Swans at, Lord Perinilltis house, in, Downing-
sired, this nli'day 1806, before USA
• (Signed) • Ett..x.!NE, CRENTVILLE.
ELLENE-aitoucit.

JOHN SiCARP.

:r

Cory ox THE, x*rostTlozsr or CIIARLOTTE I!ADV

ZOLTGLAS.

thitilt I .first beciee acquainted 'with the Prin-
PCs:: of Weies in 180... Sir john.Doeerlas. had a'
house at Blackheath. Ohe day, in Na vem ber l 81/I.
the snow was lying on 'the ground. The frin-,
cess and a Latly, ;v it(); Is'befieve, was ...11iss Hey- ..
man, came On toot, and walked several tilnes,be-
fore 'Ole door. .Lady Stewart was 'with ine,
and said, she tbauglit that' the Princess wanted
Soinething, and that I (meta, to go to .her. I Went
to her. She said she did tiotetvikatituy thing,
.but.
ihesv.--otild walk in; that', Ilad a very pretty little,;.*teal and stahl some time. About a,:
fortnight uftcr Sir J. b.and.l receivefiitttiuvitatitm
to go t:):doutagae !"louSe ; after that I was very
frequently at 'lll-ontague House, and dined theee.,
The Princess dined.fretetently with us. Aftout
May -or June, I r,02, the Priecess first talke.l to'
me about her 'own eonduct. S.. Smith, who..
bad been Sir John's friend'for more thatitwelitY
years, came to England about November,. 1801.; s
and came to live in our house.' -I.,underithod.
the Princess knew, Sit... Stiaith before she Was
Pc ineess of Wales., The Print+ess.saw, Sir Sidney
Smith, as frequeqtly as our Me were
.usually kept at Moutague-hotete• later then the,
rest of -Oh.: pttrty, tiftenaill three or four in the
morning. 1 never Observed any impropriety Otton,
‘.
•thist between-Sir Sidney Smith at d, the Princess.
1 made the Princess a visit' it Montague,huse in
.March 1802, (or' about a fortnight. She
mei() come thet.e, because Miss Garth seas
Aley or June following, the Princess crame,"•..
to my hotise alone : she
.said she. carne to
tell me something that had 'happened tiChar, end s,
(leaked me to guessed. several 'langs.
and at last I said, I could must geess'any thing
incite. She then said she. was ptegnanGand thet.
the child
.had come to life.. I.don't know it lit
she said no .flint day, d'r a feW.days before, tleit
she was at breakfast at Lady-Willimghhy's, that
the milk unwed up to her breast and came throogit,,
gown; tacit she hr tew,a napkin over herself,
Und went with Lady 'Willoughby into her room,
aad adjusted herself:ln prevent its being Observed:
She never told me who yvas We= father. of the
.Slie said she hoped it would,-beit hoe. 'SW'
scud that if it was discovered she would giv'e tine
Prince-of:Wales the credit Of being the father, for.
she had slept two nights et Carltonflouse sa ithin'tlies."
year.. 1 said that I should go abroad to niy,atot her,.
The Pe;ncess said She should manage it very e
if thireescametO the worst,slteshotildgivethePrine,z.:-
the'ereditckif it. While I was at Montagne-lcOnse, .
in-March, I, Was:With child,'and one day L's.-Ihl
was very skit..an-id thePrifteess deSired
dens to get tu't s She 'Cleo tin
$(11rIe
nt'gvaitt %:totfroY '
. I'' k
,ohl'ses it
ttrrvet;ic,LTll I
:ii'-'''4"l'
:t.-;"(-1'u ti'lltku drla 1
one, an nt*.':i:tl;tt-..
.d I loOke4 at her. The Princess stlid,
eit,l):ooe3k-s tt
draught ei,cl). This Wo the first tittle l lisid •any hils-
pieion Of her being with fhild. Princesno-
yee said, whowas the father; 'When t.stte first told
nresshe was with chill, I ranter suspected that
wasS. Sttittlt the farther, but only I:epaose the.
Princess Was' V.dyy partial to Imo. I never Ithy.v
he wits with Iter 'We lad i; constaut eater-;•'
.
course Walk, the Princess, front the time when I
was at. Montague Honse, till the et* of 'October.
After she had first communicated to me that she
W4,s 'with' child, she frequently spoke lion the
w•

Ashiest. -She was bled twice during
.the time.
sr reeometemled Me to be bled too, and said
that it would make nte have a better time. Mr.
I.omeads hied her ; she said, tete of the days that
Etinte•ds bled her, that she bad a violent heat
in her blond, and that .Edmeads shoeld bleed her.
I told the Princess that I was very anxious how
She would 'manage to be brought to bed without
its beitig known—that I 'hoped she bad a sate per-
SOIL She said yes ; she should have a person
fromabroad; that site had a great horror of hav-
ing any men about lterbpon such an occasion—
, .she•said*, I am confidelA in my own 'shuts, -and I
wish you
.would not 'speak to me on thatssahieet
again. Site said, I shall tell every thing to Saun-
dra*. I think this was on the day on which she
tall! •Int of what had happened at Lady Wil-
. loughby's—sSaunders was a•very gpod winntaSand
might he trusted, rind that she must be with her at
the labour; that site would send Mks Garthto,•
Brunswick, and Miss Milfiel was toosyoung• to be
trusted, and must be sent out of the way. I was
bepught to .bed on the 23d July., The
Prin-
cess insisted on being present. 7 determined that
she should not ; het I meant to avoid it without
• offending her.: On the day on Which 1 was broil-girt
to bed, she tame to my house, and insisted on
coming in. ,"Dr. Mackie, who attended meslock-
ed The door on the opposite side of the bat
there_ was another dons.' on the opposide side. if,
• the room, which was not locked, and she came in,
at that door, and was present during the time of
theslabottr, Ana took the child as soon as it
.was ,
born,- and said she was very glad she had seen the
whole 01 it. The Princess's pregnancy appeared
to ate be-very visible. She wore a cushion be-
bind, and matte Mrs. Saunders make one for me.
Duritsg my lying-in, the PrincesS came one day
with,Mrs. Fitzgerald. Site sent Mrs. F. away,
and.took a chair, and sat by my bed-siae. She
&aid, you will hear orniy takingio children in bas-
kets, hut you won't take any notice of it. I shall
have, them brought by a poor woman in a basket.
shall do it as a cover to have thy'iawn brought
tom in that way ; or, that is the way in which I
must. havemy own brought .viten 1, have it. Very
spoil after this two .children, who were twins,
were broil& by is Boor woman in a baSket.* The
Princess took then), and had them carried up into
her room, and the Princes:, washed them herself.
The Princess told me this herself. The father, a
few days afterwards, came and 'insisted out having
the children, and they were Igivea to him. The
Princess afterwards said to me, " You see I took
the children, and it answered vets? well. The fa-
ther had got them. back, anti she bould not blame
him ; that she Asada tithe other children, anti •
have quita a nursery.", saw.
,the Princess' on a
Sunday, either the 30th or 31st of October, 1802,
walking before her door:, she was dressed so as
'to conceal her pregnancy;;' she had a long,eloak,
and a very greatanetf ;. she had just retinae(' from
Greenwich Church ; she • looked very ill, and. I
thought,. must be very near her time. About a
week or, ten days sifts!a' this, I received a..note from
the Princess, to desire that I .would not come to
Montague House, for they wets; apprehensive that
the children they had taken. had had the measles ,
in their cloaths, and-that she was afraid .my child
might take it. When the Princess valor to see
use, during my lying ins she told ate, that, when
she should be brought to Berl she; wished would
not come .to her for some time, for she might be
confttsed in seeing me. About the end on:ler:cm-
ber I went to GlouCestershire, and staid there
about a month. When 1 yeturned, which was in
January, I Went to. Montagne House, and was let.
in. The Princess was packing up something; in
a black box. Upon the sofa a ,Ntila was lying,
covered over with a piece of red. cloth., The Prins
cess got np, and took ine, by, the hand; 'sbe,thett
led to the sofa, and said, there is the child---I
bad him only two clays idler I saW you: 'rite
words were, either I had him, or I was brought to
bed. : the words were suchats: clearly imported that
it was her own child. She, said she got very
.well
through it ; slicsbewerl me a mark on the child's
bands-sit is a pink mark. The Princes s salt!, he
has a otadt like your littleasirl. 1 saw the child
afterwards frequently, with the Priueass,enite
Christmas, 1803, when I left Blackheath. I saw
the mat k upon the child's hand, and I am sure
that it was the sante chill ; Inever save any other .
child there, . The Princess Charlotte used to See.
the child, and play with hint.,-The child used to,
call the Princess
,of Wales " Lsaw
the,ck,ild looking at the-window of the Princesa's
house about a month 'ago, before the Prlneees
went into Devonshire; and I am sure that it is
the same .child. Not longs after I had first
seen the child, the Princess said, that she
had the child at first. to sleep with her for a •
fen' nigt4s; but it had made, her
.nervous,
turd now they had got a regular muse ,fm h
She said, we gave Sit a little milk cut. first 5 out
,it_
Was ton much for me, and now we breed it by'
band, anti it does very well, I can swear nosis,
tively that the .child 1 saw at the windoW is the
stone child as the Princess told me site bad two
days after she parted with me. *The child: was
called William, I never hearth that it had any
other name. When the child ;ivas in long clothes,.,
we breakfasted one day with the PtiliceS4, and '
she said to Sir John Douglas—this is The Dept-.
foril , boy. Independently of this Princess's eons
fession tome, I can swear that she was pregnant-
,in 11102. lu October 1804, when we seturued
front Devonshire, I left my card at. Montague
IfouSe; and on the 4th of October I sreeeiied a
letter front MaS' . :Vernon, desiriog -me not to conic
any more to Montague Muse. hod sieves, at
this time, mentioned- the Prinee:,s',B /icing; with
child, 'or being delivered of a child, to any per-
son, not even to Sir ,Tohn Douglass. After re-,
Calming Mri. Vernon's letter, ,I *rote to the.
rrincess on the stasieet. The letter was sent
back unopened. I then wrote to Mrs. Fitsgerald,
saying, that I thought myselfexitremelysillosed.—
In two or three .days alter Aria, I received an
Anonymous letter, which 3' produce, and have
marked with the _letter 4, and sigueir with my
tiinne, both on the letter and the. envelope. The
Princess ut ‘Vales has told mu, that she got abed,.
fellow whenever she eould,that nothing wasrmore
wholesome ; she said, that uothhig WAS more
convearieut thou bet. +awn room ; 'it ststntis at:the