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London, England, 1831-08-12 00:00:00

mattow he should move lot the evillence giean kenos: the
Dublin Election Committee of the House of Commons.
CORONATION.
Vi-count STRANGFORD wished to put a question to
the Noble Earl at the bead cef Majeatv's Government.
Ile the (Noble i'iseount) waived f > kn.'s:- whether, in the
en, tailmeot mai to take al:see in the ceremony of
the Coronation of his present A 1.4 -sty, the Peers of Eng-
land and Iteland ware to he deprived of the coostitotional
right of p ;o,' homage to his gent:loot
Was given to understood that the present
Got-cerement, amongst ether abridgetnenta of that at:gust
r remony, meant that only nest from each rank of the io-
hiiity pay homage on behalf of the (steer,: lithong-
ir,zto that rat& This he onderstacel Wig of present in
contemplation of dud he felt extremely :minus
t know whether it had any fomedetion• in truth,
oil GREY oh served, that all he could etate opt, tap
subject was, that it had been the desire of his Mejesty to
save as much expense as posible in the ceremony tekreed
to lay the Noble Viscount ; to whit:!, desire his Majesty's
Motistera felt they were bound to attend. el'eh though it
might be utconnected with tit, ir own wishes. In easwee
to ihe Noble Viscount lie would assure hint and the House
th the ceremony was nil eatrosttd to Government,
;Jot to the Privy Council, to whom all tnattera on the Sub-
ji et were referred.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE thought it would be
important for the Noble Viscount to know that it was not
referred to the Pairy Council, as he might ttuderstand it
at present eonstituted, but to a Committee of that Privy
Conned.
Lord HOLLAND had yet to learn that the King Lad
nit a perfect right of nominating any Committee of the
Privy Council he might think proper, end that Conatnittee
teas, in contrition courtesy, gifted with all the privileges of
Gsvernment in that respect„
The Duke of WELLINGTON obsereed that en former
occasions it had b en usual to leave the questiaa: of the
cereanomal to the whole, and nut to a Committee of the
Privy Council, and he was exceedingly sorry to see any
part of so solemn a ceremonial aatidged,
Lord HOLLAND—The first step teas to ref the mat-
ter to the whole Privy Council. In the next place, those
who attended were afterwards summoned. and his Majesty
then selected the Committee to consider the particular nut-
ter. The Noble Duke bad confirmed hit statement as to
the practice of referring the consideration of the, erremo-
monial of the Coronation to Vie Privy Council at large,
and not to the Cabinet Council.
Earl GREY stated that one great object of his M ,jestj's
Ministers was to reduce the ees;:ense of tic Coronation,
without omitting anything essential to the ceremony. The
last Coronation had cost (we understood his Lordship to
say) 240,000/. It was intended the expanse of the present
Coronation should not amount to more than one-fifth of
that sum —(Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY expressed his
thanks to lis Noble Friend (Strangford) near him, for
calling the attention of their Lordships to this subject.
There were many Peers in this House whet would not de-
pute their dory of paying homage to his Majesty, on occa-
sion of his Coronation, to any one. It Wii9the more un-
fortunate th'it these unseemly mutilations and curtailments
should now take place, when they recollected the magnifi-
cent scale on which the lost Coronation ceremony had been
conducted. One could not help looking back to that, when
they saw the new arrangements now to be made. But
this was conformable to the rest of the policy of the pre-
sent Government, which was founded on a principle of
new modelling and levelling everything, o ithout regard
evan to the most sacred c remonies of the Constitution.
It was a most itnportant and sacred part of this ceremony
that every Pm- should do homage to his Majesty in per-
son. Ile, therefore, would recommend to his Majesty's
Ministers se.iously to consider the question again, to con-
sider what would be most agreeable to the Peers, as well
as to others.
Lord GODERICH—When the Noble 'Marquis adverted
to the other transactions of his Majesty's Ministers, and
described them as being founded on a principle of levelling
every thing, he could not trust himself to reply to that
assertion in the manner which it deserved. But as to the
circumstance which had given rise to this conversation,
he could not but consider it as rather extraordinary that
so much objection should be made to the Peers doing
homage by delegates on occasion of a coronation ceremony,
when he considered that this plan of rendering homage by
delegates had been adopted at so late a period as the cero-
, nation of George 111. Homattze had been done upon the
plan ef a delegation from etch rank of the Peet age at the
time of the coronation of George 111., and, therefore, the
Noble Marquis had found out a mate's nest on this, as
well as on other occasions.—(Hear, hear.) If then, this
plan of doing homage by delegation had been adopted so
• recently as at the coronation of George 111 , it most surely
be considered as a most unfounded accusation of his 31a-
jesty's Ministers that their object was to degrade the
Crown or to trench on the rights and dignity of the
Peerage.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Marquis might
ascribe improper motives to his Majesty's Ministers if he
pleased, but they rejected the imputation with disdain.
The LORD CHANCELLOR—It had sometimes of late
been imputed to him that he had been out of order in
some of his addresses to the House, but at present he
begged leave to remind them that they were all cut of
order. This discus-ion had been commenced when he, as
Speaker of their Lordships' House, was absent, to put the
question on a motion for the return of some papers from
Ireland, and was continued without his having the oppor-
tunity to put the question. (His Lordship then put the
question, that time returns be made forthwith.)
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY claimed a right to
set himself right as to what had been stated by the Noble
Viscount (Goderich). He claimed a right, as a
Peer of that House, to say that Ministers were pursuing
a course destructive of our blessed Constitution, as often as
he pleased ; and he would tell the Noble Viscount, that he
would not be deterred front doing his duty as a Peer of
Parliament by anything that any of his Majesty's Minis-
ters might be pleased to say.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE rose to order. The
Noble Marquis was speaking on a subject with which
the question before the House had nothing to do.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY insisted that he
had a right to state his opinion that the Ministers were
pulling down the Constitution.

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Lord HOLLAND—It was certainly not unusual to put
questions, and to allow some discussion with respect to
them, although the practice was not strictly conformable
to miler. But, in the pre ent instance a question had
been put from the Woolsack, and then the Noble Mar-
quis proceeded to make observations, not one word of
which had any reference to the question before the House.
This was like treating the orders of the House with neglect
and contempt. The Marquis ought to make a motion, if
he was desirous to persevere in this course.
The 111alquis of LONDONDERRY insisted Out he
had a right to reply to the animated—he did not say, im-
proper or disrespectful, but to the animated—remarks of
the Noble Viscount.—(Cries of move, move.) The
Noble Viscount had attacked him, and he had a right to
reply.

The Duke of RICHMOND rose to order. The Noble
Marquis had himself shown more disrespect to his Majesty
thin any on,! else had-shown in the course of the present
discussion.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY defied any one to
show that he had been guilty of any disrespect to his Ma-
jesty.. He had contended that the Ministers had departed
from the usu d course of the Constitution in preventing
each of the Peers from doin; homage fur himself to his
Majesty at his Coronation, and he had recommended to
his Majesty's Ministers seriously to re-consider the sub-
ject. He had been guilty of no disrespect to his Majesty.
He had only exercised his coistitutional right to censure
the proceedings of his Majesty's Ministers.—(Order.)
The question was then again put, that the returns of
Irish Governors and Magistrates should be made forth-

with, and the motion wan-agreed to.
The Exchequer Bills' Bill was read a third time and
passed.