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ASL FOOTMAN, a Your--Man, twenty-eight
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very
.would be preferred. None need apply where there is a
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from his last Situation, where he lived' four years. No ob-
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RENOVATED HEALTH.
.YT has been. too frequently the subjea of jug and
general reprobation, that men destitute ofthe elerrients.of
the medical art have• oftged themselves is candidates for
Public patronage in the priffession of physic. For the purpose
doing Justice to the result of our studies and experience, and
1° prevent us from bfing classed among thoSe empirics whose
.41prtutent pretensions have, unfortunately for society, been
"0 favourably received, we beg leave to submit to the liberal
and enlightened a faithful statement of our pursuit. and ac-
quirements, After having received a regular medical edeca-
11°4 as the pupils of Messrs. Grinted and Blizard, whose
e.tures and practice re carat/11A attended, as professors and
Surgeons of the London Hospital -, entered ourselves as
students in that justly celebrated sclaocil for medical acquire-
Frlent, the Royal College of Edinburgh, and were instrutted•
u the lifferecnt branches of anatomy, surgery, the theory and
tract,, - of physic, chemistry, midwifery, botany, &c. det.'
11 those eminent professors, Drs. Morro, Gregory, Black,
bitinilton, Duncan and Ruthertord. We Oust we shall not
. 'dertned presuinptuous in saying that our proficiency and
ofquirernents are not inconsidzrable. Having for a long series
of Years made Venereal -Com plaints; and the variOus cuseasies
Debility; the particular object of our studies and practice,
kkill, we hope, be allowed that we have'acquired superior
t''ledge of their treattnent and cure. In slight and recent
ttis of infection perfect re-establishment is cotnpletetlirf
short period of two days and in those of .4i:e utmost in-
pemtitleY, where other practitioners have failed of success, a
patient
perseverance in our plan of treatment ensures to the
„ safeNind radical cure.
' tft--elidst the melaucholy variety ofrlisorclers' which are the
1' of a habit long and most-unhappily pursued by the
1'L:.;,;44 Of both sexes, there are none more alarming or more
clue'he,l,sing than those deficiencies and debilities which fre-
eiso'„LY prevent or embitter the matrimonial state. To sucti
P.Y a ,q, it must be a consolation to know that they may now,
greatt,'eAv and infallible mode oftreatinent, be restored to that
°its c„st of all human blessings, a strong,-manly, and vigor-,
4t2se-,`ltitution. In all cases of debility, from Whateverwe .
tbar,!4,Lng,- as well as in every species of venereal fetticrit,
est se,' consulted by patients' of either se4r, with the great.
ten tu,;!cY and honour. Hours of consultation at home from
PaC'tee, and float 6 in the evening till so at. night.
. lars o!e,ots in the country are requested to state the particu-
their case, age, and general habit of living; &c. &c. in-
a remittance tot advice and medicines, when the same
that•se?ven, or sent to any part of the kingdom. To ensure •
letttr,essenti,l to our undertaking, the' postage of
'nay be added to the 'azcount for medicines..
CURRI,E and Co.. Surgeons.
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respectable Profeswrs of London and Edinburgh, of
ti,":!k
~,, e,cir Lectures assigned them. during the tirnetbey at.
rrattice.

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`THE- CAPITAL IVIANSiQN‘ of STOCKELD
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TROTTER ON NERVOUS DISEAOS, Sce,
This Day was piibliShed,
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A VIEW of the NERVOus.TEmPERAMENZ
Being a Pudica! 'lnquiry into -the increasing Preva-
lence, Pievention, and Treatment, ofAhoke Diseases com-
monly called Nervous, Bilious, Stomach and Liver Corn.
plaints,liidigestion, Low Spirits, Gout, &c. •
By THOMAS TROTTER, M.D.
Late Physician to His Majesty's Fleet—formerly Physician
to the Royal Hospital at Haslar, &c.
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IXPERIAL PARLIAMENT.'

ROUSE OF PEERS,

MONDAY, APRIL L 3.

. ~ ,
T Mahe rquiof
.s 'HUNTLEY and. Lord DALKEITH
took the Oaths and their Seats, on their elevation to
the British Peerage., They Were introduced be:-
t‘Vedn Lords CAWDOR and REAY. ' • ~ , _
CIitNGE OF. MINISTERS-
..
.' The Marquis of STAFFORD rose pursuant to the
notice he, had given on WednesdaYlast,,to submit a
' motion to the. House. respecting , the consequences
of the late Change in- his Majesty's Councils. He
expressed his regret. that a matter of, such delicacy
and importance had not been taken up by abler
bands ; but observed, that there were times and cir-
cumstances- under- which it was, the duty of every
Noble Lord, in that 'House to come forward and
offer the bestadvice his judgment could suggest, for
the maintenance of the public good. It, had- always
been his:anxious , wish -to see the hest talents and
abilities the Country could- boast :of 'united in a rival
exertion of :those talents for the public welfare.; but
•he had to laident the loss of one distinguished man
(Mr. Pitt) atia most critical period.of our affairs,
which considerably 'weakened the Administration of
which he was theliead. He next had the satisfac-..
tion of seeing another Ministry constituted which
certainly embraced a very great portion:of the cha-
raaer, integrity, and talents 'of the Nation.. This
Ministry also lost one of 'its main supporters -(Mr.
Fox) ; but still it was one from whieh he,expeeled
the Country would reap much benefit., That Admi,-
nistration had recently and very unexpeetedly been
removed ; and he .was sorry to observe that their re-
moval did not seem to be accounted for on any
Constitutional and
.satisfa6tory. grounds. By this
double Jos's', and-by the change that has thus taken
place in his Majesty'sCouncils,the affairs of the Nation
were left in a situation which he, could not but
laMent.—lndeed, lunch as he lamented it,
.he had
:still more to lament the causesthat led to that change,
and the nature of the advice which induced his Ma-
jesty to make it. :,For advisers in so critical a mea7
surd ..his Majesty most undoubtedly' had, :whoever
these advisers might be. It was an excellent maxim.
of the ConStitution—a sacred one his eyes—which
made the person of the Soyereign invieJablei and . 1
winch, by ::pronouncing lie could . (lo no: wrong, • ,
• rescued him . from all responsibility for any public
measure. That maxim lie was confident their Lord-
ships
would maintain, and upOn.it: he would rest the
necessity of adopting the Alotion, at,least in part, ,:
which he should have the bottom- of concluding with.
'He trusted that nothing thathe.should oiler would be
construed into personal disrespect .by any, Noble
.Lord : he was incapable of any thing of that kind,
both from inclinatiqo and. gratitude. .Bu% however i
great his respect might be -tor any Noble Lord now .:
in office, his
,anxiety for the safety of the State, and
the prosperity of the country, made him solicitous to
see a more able, and comprehensive
.Administration.
He would not impute.to any Noble and Learned Lord-
the circulation of any misrepresentationS that had
gone through theconntry, respecting the conclu4.ol
the, late Administration, and. the motives that hi- '
, fluenced their dismission from office; but it was with ff
sorrow, • and indeed with some indignation, he ob-
.•
served,. that many of these Misrepresentations bad a E
tendency to stir up relit/tons animesities; and disunite
Majesty'ssttbje6,l,s, with.
Several
.descriptions, of
.7his
ou.t any adequate cause whatever, and ranch ,to the . .
danger and detriment:of the general welfare, He
most earnestly deprecated all such pernidous attempts, -
which could never be, ventured on without hazard...
ing the.moit perilous consequendes
,to the country.
Various causes had been assigned for the 'sudden
change that has occurred:in
stlie Admieistration,, but
one of them was sufficient, in; his rnind,to justify j.
,those
,w he had beee dismissed from office. - It-also; '
he thought, justified.him in submitting the following
• Motion to their Lorch4ips. The Noble. Marnuis
then concluded with moving, that, . .

" This House, feeling the necessity of a firm and stable
Administration at this very important crisis of.,Public Altairsf
resolVe, that it is impossibleto view, with Out the deepest re-
gret, the Change that has recently taken plate in Hii Majesty's.
Councils,- which regret is considerably increased by the
causes to which that change has been ascribed, it being the
opinion of tins House, tg:.lt it is the firSt dutyNorthe re-
rpodsi ble Ministers 0; tt►e C rown not to restrain themselves by
any pledge, expressed or implied, froirt giving any adyice,to-
His Majoty, which, to tl►ebest of their judgment,. the course
of circumstance; may render necessary, for. the hOnoiri of
Ibis Majesty's Clown, and the security of his Dominions:!'

Loid AL,'ERDIEEN rose. in reply to *Noble
Marquis.—The question flow started appeared to
him to involve a very serious inconvenience, inas•!
much as it intirnitelycontieeted itself with the per-
sonal condu& of the Sovereign. That wasunavOid,
able, however 'studious Noble •Lol-ds might be to
avoid it. For though it appeared a general and 4b-
straa propositiOn, it was Calculated, at the same time;
to,serve as a justitication' of the conduEt of the late
Ministers and, by justifying them, to insinuate"
blame in some other quarter, He could dot but
consider the question as embracing two parties : the,
late Administration, . and the Prerogative of-the
Crown. It went to exculpate Ministers : it Could
not go to exculpate'the CroWn) to which no. blame
could attach. ' Indeed it was very difficult, from the
insulated manner in which the question was brought
forward, 'nay, it was impossible, to discuss it with-
out recurring to other circumstancq, which it did
net purport to comprehend.' 'When the late Minis-
terSconsented to \Vithcraw a 13i11 which they deemed
to be indispensably necessary to-the safety of the
country; they hinted that, in future, they niight be
under the necessity,
.not only of re-producing the
same tneasure, but perhaps some further Measures of
ri Similar nature. How could IC be iMagined his
MajesyCouldlisten to. such Proposals,- when it was.
- Jinown-7periealy well. known—that the opinions
orthe Serer6gu upon these points were innuntable;
might naturally occur to his Miijesty, that the

Same meastkre might be again •proposed to him r-t ,
time when .perhaps it. might not be equally in hi;
power to resist it.. How natural then was it for him
.to demand an assurance from his Ministers, that
they would no Jonger think of any such- trieasareq.
'but that-so far thPy:wonic.l his feelings and
his conscience to retnain undisturbed.., ,That ai-
Surance the late' Ministers refused to grant, and
their refusal made it necessary for, his MajeSty‘
to dismiss them._ Much had been Said- abaut seelvt '
advisers on this occasion,. and it waS.contended;
that the Sovereign could do nothing without re-
sponsible advisers. This might be the case;, butt
it was impossible to Make that, true which- was
false, or give existence to viliatmo where existed.----7-
Would it be attempted to make the preseet Ministers.
responsible for, measures that were-taken before they
came into office ?.. But if. the 'measure for -which it
was wished to fix
,reSPonsiiiiiity Upon them referred
to the late change of Admihistration,-he tril=..ted the
present Ministers would tiofi shrink froth it ; for it
was the only line of eandua which the Sovereign
"cohld, under such circirnstances,,f. adopt consisteat
With his' ease •and dignity. The Noblp Mar finis
contended thal-hls Motion-Was necessarily conneeted
with the preservalion OftheConstitution in its ginit-y.
He was au dgrous as the, Noble Marquis, could bI
to'vindicate • that purity of the Constitution, and,
tlirefOre, he should contend against putting any
constraint on the free exercise of the prerogatlve,
which, in his opinion, was equally. inconsitent
With the purity of_ the Constitution. On these
groutids he should move the previous question.-
The Earl of HARDIkICKE followed ; he felt
the question before the House an embarrassing one, -
and be accordingly had paid much attention to.
The Noble Earl who spoke at divided it into two
parts... To `the first bethought there could be no ob-
jeClion, for that our domestic situation, and our fo-
reign'relations„-were of urgent and serious cods:der-
ation,‘ no *man could deny, and therefore it must be
matter of 'regret that any such, change should have
taken place at ,so -critical a moment. ,The.sort of
Administration 'Which,the Present posture of thing
required,' was well described in the word ofthe incr.,. •
should be. " a firm and stable Administra-
tion c but these, he feared, .were qualities that could .
not he truly ascribed to the Ministry that. bad • just -
been formed--.—this observation he felt hitnselfin jus,
tice bound to aike, without thereby meaning any
thing disrespeCtful to any individual 'll,leniber, for
Many of whoth he entertained a very sincere regard; •
their appointn'ient he consideredsto 'be as`contrary to
their own interest as -it- was, hostile to the interests;
of the country. The late Ministers had, in his opi-
-Mori; been vetiy ill treated, and the motives•that in-
fluenced their condua haVe been most unfairly mis-
represented. The Noble Earl then went into an ex-
amination of the statement made in his place by a
Noble Lord (Grenville), of the whole of the trans-
a6tions which led to the removal of him and his col-
leagues : that statement appeared to hint highly satin-.
fitetory; and whoever followed the circumstances
that produced and recommended . the Bill brought
into the other HoUse., 1-itist thoroughly per-
suaded that it could never be . the intention of its
frathers_to mislead-or deceive the Sovereign respea-
ing itS,provisions ; and indeed it was. impossible to
impute any thitt, like jintetttional deception to cha-
raCters of such acknowledged honour and integrity.
There w:aspothing more ungrounded 'or mischievous
than the alarm which, on account of the ihlrodUnion
ofthat Bill, hasbeen tobiriddstriously spread-througli- ' •
out the Country. -There could be no danger here •
from-it to- the Church Establihnient; he-was enual-
ly`Sure -thert was no da'riger ,in Ireland; ,and upon__
reflexion it must be..feW"-to. be highly srimina? tc
have. propagated
such an alarm in the latter Countryi
Muoh.a's lie respected the present Ministers, he did
not 'think them eqhal,fo the present crisis:- He was
anxious,' for the Country's -sake, that the affairs of
the Country should; at such a moment, bein diffe-
'rent hands ; and upon these, and many. other
g-rounds, he was disposed to concur in the Motion
of the Noble Marq'uis. • •
Lord ERSKINE made a very animated and argu-
mentative speech In support of the motion. :AllllO,
pourable men must agree-in condemning the manner
in which the late Administration had been removed,
_lt Was'a pitiful, a contemptible triumpii,Which could
'have no stability. - Noble Earl (Hardwicke) had
-.anticipated much of what he. had intended, to offer to -
the House, and he gl„ied, witbtliat Noble Earl, in
contemplating the long list Of penal statutes
Were swept away by the A& Of 1793. 'The con-,
ditioh to which the repeal. of these statutes had re- -
stored the Roman -Catholics` of Ireland, they were
indebted for to the beaigh disposition of his Majes-
ty ; and he-was certain they would for ever cherish
the memory of the behefaaer with warm and inex-
thiguishable gratitude.. In the p-resent arduous crisis.
Of the public affairs, and Whets the increase of French
aggrandiSemerit was :so tiiixiously to- be'yelecled,
Was the'eamest wish ofthe lute Administration to be
enabled to avail themselves of the full extent of our
population for theinereaSe of. our naval and Military •
strength: The Union -promised. to put these means in.
their power, at leaSt as-far as regarded the Catholics
of IrOand. This induced the Noble Lord (Gren-
ville), at the head Of the late AdMihistration„ to en- -
deavour7 that men who_badshewn thernselwes'wor.
thy.of trust, should'nOt be excluded from'any'rank,
heWever high, in eitheeserVice., This suggested the •
idea.of the "Bill that Was introduced ire° the other
Hofise, and of whiCh a•nao.st scandalous use had been -
made 'to asperse the characters of the late Ministers,
and to agitate the public mind with the most ground-
less alarms. 'Nothing was. snore false than that the
measure involved any danger whatever to Church or _
State; neither was the disposition of his Majesty,
with regard to, it, fairly and faithfully stated. No
Noble Lord in that House should be admitted to
state, that the mind of the 'Sovereign was itinnuta-
bly hostile to any measure of that tehSeney.
Stich a -declaration was -as utifriehdly to the

-eurity of .the Crown, as it was irreconcilable
w the spirit ol the Constitution. No man felt
m to sincere veneration thr the SOVereign than
che, 'arid he would be the last man -in the
.w oral that towel reduce his authority to a ci-
pher ; an& it , was, that'veneration which prOmpt-
eim to say, that the Sievereign could- never
harbour such a disposition as an immutable hoStility
to any measure that might be necessary to the well-
. eee; 01 ene •lescription of his Majesty's SubjeCts.
conaeqeenees of.such a determhAtion can never
attach upon the Crown, but to the advisers of the
C. wn. All acts 'of kiridness, • grace; generosity,
clemency, and , munificence, belong to his Ma-
pee; ; bet whatever-is harsh- or wrong; can never
• hi; l i, *A; for such acts Ministers only are re-'
sponsible. As to all,that haS' beep higed with re-
sped to the Coronation Oath, hot an' objeetioti
,of
Lilolil but has been started to every measure that has
el n eu idopted in favour- of the Catholics; but
his N:lajesty's wiSdom and benefieetice have .weigh-
dowh all these objections.: That a triiSimder-
standing has eitsted with respe& to the- Bill ine
question, ,he would readily adriiit ; but there was
hothing in ihat Misunderstanding thatafforded the
least ground of suspicion against his colleagues.—
Indeed no man of honour Could for a Moment sUp-
pose them capable of any deceit towards their
Royal. Master.--Their Condtiel was not only a proof
of their fairness and sincerity, but their cautious de-
ference. to' theopinion and wishes of the Sovereign.
But why thus show their deference by-withdrawing a
Bill which they had asserted to be their indispensable
duty to. propose ? They certainly felt the political
expediency of bringiog forveard such a measure : but,
. unexpeetedly ,finding that strong objeatimiswere made
' to it, they withdrew tt ; reserving to tlietnSelVes the
. power of britiging it torward agent wiginiever
im-
perious necessity called for its auoption ; and.here he
must hope that no Noble. 'Lord would attempt to
confound political expediency with an imperious neL
cessity. How such a reservation on their 'part could'
offend his Majesty', he kneW not ; nor would lie
believe that it had offended buns unlesS the measure
had been misrepresented to him by some secret tins-
*chievous -advisers. No, never should 'he believe
that the remmil of the late Ministers, and the man-
ner of their removal; was the 30 Of the Sovereign:
• • it 'was an ad wholly foreign to his disposition, and
contrary to the 'whole tent hr of his life; it is an a&
'that Carries with it marks of a very different nature,
and can only be the. work of those who Surrontaltd
him. He would insinuate frothing a,,,,craiust any Noble
Lord which Be was not ready oPetifY to avow ; ati
if anylNoble Lord took to iihnsell whatheewas al-
luding to; he should be ready to believe that
Noble 'Lord, when he denied any .such advice Upon
his honour. it was, however, well knOwn, that in
ail politica) machines there were wheels within
`• Wheels; yes, as 1113Iiy as in .a silk mill ; and Many
of .ahem also, so sunk in the 'Jail that it _was
almbst impossible to know their places., Some no.:
tion of this kind triaS, tend to explain ,the intrigues
e that removed the kite Admiiitration. 'Whatever
motives or opinions intty be itiopthed to the Sovereign,
it is impossible he can hemade responsible for any Of
them. His adyisers only are responsible; and Who-
ever would prestitue or venture to say that
,any such
measure was the suoutaneous utiproinpt& aft of the .
King, .to that person he should say, such areaSser
tion is not to be 'discussed here : the place to settle it
would be in the Great Hall. The Constitution must
be preserVed; and he wonld haZard his, prefe;sional
chsraCter that this was sound constitutional dodrine.
Who will attempt to 'alter the nature of man ! Yet
it must be altered before' it can 'be, eXpetc.ted that file
Catholics of Ireland will cease h.epreeent AddresSes
and l'etitious. They present one: no notice is taken
of it. They. present a second, a third, :a fourth : is,
no notice to be taken of them. ? Who will take
upon himself to declare that now is not the time to
_listen to them ? or who will dare declare,
,that nOt
time is ev - to come when they will be attended to
or no circumstances,arise when their 'claiMs should
be acceded to, and the bar 'between Catholic irid
Protestant reinoved ? if any one do venture to, Make
such a declaration, he should say_ that such a man
should' be tried thr -sedition. He reilly shuddered
at the conseqUences that might result 'in Ireland
from the effects of such unconstitutional doarines
he could'rOteeven eith calmness, conteMplate them:
at'a distance. Under that impression,. he should
strenuously support the Motion. .
Lord JERSEy spoke' at some length in favotir of
- • the'Motion, but in a tone of voice scarcely audible
below the Bar%
Lord I 1,11: ROirßy adverted to thescanty docile
meats before the House, and wondered that upon
such imperfect materials any seriouSdiseession would
be entertained by their LOrdships. If, hoverer, they
would attend to the "commencenient acid progress of
the transktion Which gave ,r;Se to all these ; dis-
cussiops, they must-,he surprised' that any misundee-
standing Shotdd ever haVe takelf;place respeCting
the Bill alluded. to so oftetP7eand still rrice-e so,
that such, a -MisUnderstanding could have continued
tOr a moment after the, Written 'declaration de-,
• livered by' his Majesty to his, late Ministers ye.-
speaing it.- Was if not plainly Stated in that written
declaration, that his Majesty would never consent
to go a step further than What was granted by the
Irish het of 'l7O ? To' what purpose should his
, Majesty repeat that determination, or Why should it
ever be interred froth his subsequent 41elice, that he
had given his consent to a measure that Went much
further than the Act of 1793, N'lien he had already
. so .-.oleinnly declared that he should never consent
to aoy, extension of it ? Indeed', there was at let
such a variety 'of interpretatiopS of the Bill, even be-
tweenditierent Members of the late'Cabinet, that:in
the end, they. 'did not appear to, understand each
other. 'Yet it, was expected that a Noble Viscount
(Sidinoulh)• would, still recomMend the Bill to 'his
lajesty, althohgh it was knoYvn thiit the Noble
V is-
count hill-bell was hostile to the' measure. . Surely it,
should diminish' the regret which it was proposed to
express- for the retnoyal of such men, to see in, what
absurdities and contradictions they are capable of 'en-
t: :themselves. As to interpret itions of the
Coronation Oath, he should not now entefthe lists
..vith,t he Learned Lord (Erskine)' upon that point; he
should venture; however, to observe, that the monitor
the .Sovereign had to coesult, was the monitor within
his own breast ; a'monitor that,has faithfolly.gweed.
his exemplary life, and nor the interpretations sit
of his duty, ' dictated and prescribed by the cOnsti-;
aces', of oetier Men. As to-the part of the Motion
bleb. Went to express regret at tb; removal of the

late Ministers, he was at a loss- to 'find on vili:%t
ground it could rest. He-had much .respeet for in,iny
of them, and o was Filling to acknwledge they pa's-
sessed talent-s 5 but when -their superior tron!;e,„:nci...itit
abilities wen so exultingly: boasted of, migl it, he a
be a;iOwed ff 6 ask Wht.-;re were the splonAisl proots
of those rare abilities to be found ? Was it :in.
the di4triblit ion of our naval and military force?'
Was it in the:multiplicity and success of their rxp..-
dirigns.? Was it in tile sl4:4:lndourof,.th9h. victo-
ries, or in the extent of their conquests ? Was it in
their promptitude to co-operate with our Allies, or
in theft generOsity which prompted 'such a liberal
.pecuniary aid -to one- of them ?—Were these the
specimens of those sinpendons talents, without the
exertions of which .theCauntry mus't be ru.ned? As
to their pacific negotiations, it was no easy matter to
:eaaraCte.rize them. Indeed the only parallel they
teemed to have, ;was theft late negotiation with
their. Sovereign„ 04: here too they, never, could
come to a point ; one rested on an account which
they but imperfealy retolleaed ; so that they
never perfe6tly understood each othCr. Whatever
were their talents, they have been tried, and
the Country, he belieVed, was now fully dissatis-
:fied respeaing
,thetas They may, have talents fur
an opposition and the effeas of that opposition he,
might deprecate. Still his Majesty's present Mini-
sters should have hot hitt to fear--they
haVe-aecept-
.ed their places; that they might stand by their King;
and with.their King they will stand or fall.

Lord SELKIRie waq_o" f opinion, that the axiom,
that the' Ring can do no wrong, was to she under-
stdod in two vsays--first, that his MinisterS or ad•.
visers were resp6nsible tOr the a&s of Government,
and that the private aas• of the' King NA ere not
'anicnable- to law. It was never necessary tbr the
public good that the private ads of:the King should
be considered as arising iron), advice: .He cjki-
ceived it
,impoSsibie that anV-ParliattienOry prOceed-
ing could be sounded Uperi an-act of which they. 'could
have no knowledge. It %,as certainly true, that 'the
garbled publication of the Cabinet 'Minutes had ren-
dered a more distinct communicatiQn to Parliament
necessary, and on that circumstance the permission
of his- Majesty • fbr such communication had beeti
founded: i3Ut it was for their Lordship's to consider
what was-the object of the present Motion. Though
he agreed in an unqualified Manner in the truth of
the proposition contained-in the Resolution proposed
to them, he was not prepared to go the length of
the measures that Nirere to be grounded upon it. The
Object of these measures was to turn out the present
Ministers, and to reinstate the latol'ilinisters. ;• He
should not 'agree to any proceeding for thatptirpOse;
because; though the late Ministers should be replaced
:in their fOrmer situations by a'ay machinations of
party, it was impossible that they should possess the
Same degree of hiS.Majesty'stontidence as before, or
that they could compose the same strong 'Gov'er4--
nient as they had when the} carne into office.: Though
• the public was aware of the splendid talents 'which
they individneily 'possessed, yet it" was iinpoSSible
that the same tirin reliynee could he placed in 'their
it-e...ares as betetofbi-e. The'NL.w 141inisters were
Untried, and ought to have 'an.opport(inity
them of shewing-how they could-c'ontinet the athirs
of the country:. He thought‘that tlicy 'Mould have a
trial; and thaCt belt; merits should be,d6cided upon
by their -measui'es'. At all cventF, he trusted that
they would give ail earnest of ttlelr printkiples of
Ministraiioi to the people of, IrelanA, by carrying
inttifoll effect the la-vs as they at present existed m
that country. • .
Lord 110.1i.LVGDON. did not mean to 'negatiVe
the Resolution of the Noble Lord (Marquis of
Staifbrd), hut before he should sit elOwn,.,Prollos;td
to Make; a 'notion that shoUld get rid Of it, by re-
' lieving the House frO!n- coining to any decision upon
it. NO one of their Lordships, he was sure; was
prepared for the first part of the Ref-so Ntion,
which therefore took them hy surprise ; and he
was prepared-to say that no Pat liamentary ground.
had been laid for it. Some allusions had been made
to a Cabinet Minister, which was not regularly be,
fore them, and to the speech of a 'Member of that
[louse. Now the unrecorded speech of ailY Noble ,
Lord was not a sufficient Parliamentary docatneat.
But the latter part of the 'Re-soh-eon contained:a di-
re& censure upon the personal condud of the King.
Ile was not at all surprised that the Noble Lord at
the head of his Majesty's late Government bad ap•
plied for perniis'sion to make the communibatiort
which he had • given to that-house, neither that his
Majesty, conscious Of the pinity. Of his own
mo-
tives, had given that-consent, nor that, theEoase had
allowed such coinniunication to yet 'there
be made ;
were many _Noble Lords who thought.withbimithat
that Noble Lord ought to have beenp stopped in
progress. A sacred barrier had been, in this
instance, brokenidown, and the praCticeshould have
been arrested, not Sutl.'ered to be-drawn into prece-
dent. - fjecontended, that his Majesty's present Mi-
niste3 had notgiven any pledge whatever upon any
subject, nor would the present Reolution, if agreed
to, be binding upon them, In the beginning. of
century a Resolution had passed that -House,'
declaring
those. enemies to their country Who shoUld make
peace, leaving, Spain or the Indies in the possession of
aßontbon. This Resolution`was not binding upon the
Queen or her Minisiers, and a Peace was afterward=
, con-chided,' leaving both to a branch of that family.
He readily acquitted his Majesty's late MiniSters
of any intention to force his Majesty's consciences
. Much less to obtain his consent to their measure
by fraud
•but he Would not absolve them fro4n the
charge, of negligence and inattention, which in pri-,
vate life would be considered an abandonment of
coma on prudeyce. The Noble Baron (Lord ren
had said that a misappiehension had taken.
placee upon the subie4; but he should contend, that
the -liiinisters should not have resorted to the ctrcuit-
Oust,'and, he should add, unconstitutional, mode,
of 'endeavouring to Coiled his Maje Sty's 'sentitnents,
by sending for hjg' penisal dispatches that were 'to be
dispatched to another part of the Empire,' It w"s
rather extraordinary that. the First Lord of, the ytea-
sury should have had an audience of his Majesty so
soon after, and ;lot speak of tile subject ; that the
question should liave been'so studioualV kept out of
view. If any trouble had been taken by that Noble
Lord to ascertain his Majesty's sentiments, the con
sequences that have resulted might ',have beep pr -
i vented. The demand of the pledge had arises gout Of
the reservation -6 made by the .Neb!: Lords, and When
it was probable that the questivn would again be re-.
newed to bisjiajesty:lke asked, wilt:,they it was
extraordinary that his Majesty shouid. 104
,to 451 y-,

tber, quarter *for Minister's *hose sentiments
more nearly correspond with his own.? 71,11e.n-
-riistrs themselves had argued; that the cause:9f their
making their reservations was, lest their otn:4sion to
di') so might live been construed into an implied ad-
riis;ioit of tine pzige, th`ong clqirat,,:!ful
to ihem as Privy Councillors. There '.ere Many
eases in which .the King should •as upon his own
judgurer The-Catholics-of Ireland; that
the qUestion was not deC,ided by any party cabal or
intrigue, nor from any want of 'affeaion On the. part
of his to any part of his subjeas, but in con-
sevenee of his Majesty's feelings- of conscience,
aria fear of the.crirne of perjury), would be guided
in *their condua by a
_submission to the IaWS, by
that moderation anA forbearance whiCh must be
dic'iated by a proper regard to their interests.—
Heshould then give no opinion on the Catholic QUes-
tion, hut seeing more. to approve than to regret in its
accomplishment; he should be . glad when, the op-
portunity should arrivo of Carrying it into effe(St.—
'lle felt that nb-parlianientary ground had been laid
• for the motion ; that the latter. part of the ReSolution
involved' a ditelf censure of His Majesty'S perso,ml
conduct ; and that the
,first part of it. included the
• whole comprehensivenuestion respecting the con.
duct of Abu late Ministers; 'he moved that their
Lordships' do now ldjourn
• •

Lord KINAL-4103 contended that the doctrine
laid-down- by the 'Noble Lord, who spoke laSt, re-
specting the feelings of the Irish. Catholics, as the
defeat of 'their measure did not arise from cabal
or iL)trigtle, went to drew that it arosefrom the
per4onal feelings of his Majesty. He contended,
that the example of the Resolution. of - Parliament
about a cPntury since, quoted by that Noble Lord,
was not ap,tilicable to the presen case ; as to the
arguments etillis Noble Friend (Lord Selkirk), he
trusted he would not continue to use-them with the
teal
.of a new convert. His Noble 'Friend lidd said
that the stew Ministers werelnitried, and 'ought to
lave an opportunity of sliming what they could do.
Nnble Lord, liege entered into a review of
the claims Of the prominent Members -of the pre-
sent Administration',' contending, that they who had
precipitated, by their mad politics, 'the ruin of the
Continent; -were not end ti&l. to the confidence inn
-Country. He insisted, that the latel Ministers had
ddne much for.the Army, promoted economy, and
lent their supPoEl to all motions tor-public inquiries,
and, for discOvery of 'public rapine. He should have
eXpeCted a charge reSpeeting their condtk't in foreing
a transation from any On .- e soon than the NNoble
'Lord, the mad politics of whose Cabinet had driven
the Continent to its ruin. He 'trusted that there
were sOine in the prt'sett -Cabinet who would*COr-
reEt, the inadueSs' Of such CoOncils. If one of
the great geographical Powers of Europe was at our
feet, if the expedition to Buenos Ayres was now
likely to be.successful, it was all duet° the late Mi-
nisters. He -could not agree with his &elite and
Learned Friend, that this ‘vis the first time in:the
present itklign, that secret advisers had driven a Mi-
nistry from power. The Same et;ent had taken,
place in the case of the greit Earl of Ch,eham. And,
tixre was 'a s.,a;ng between his measures,
previous to his dismissal and those of the late Mini-
sters. He hadovercoMe the prejudices of the Jaco-
bites 'in the Highlands, and Sent them to conquer in
all parts of the world. On all these grounds, he
should vote for the motion.. „

Lutil SIDAIOVTIIIcIt it equally impo:ssiblc to
assent to the motion, as to give it a direa ney-ative,
and thcretbre was reneved from considerable dilficuL-
ty by the course proposed by the Noble. Lord (Bo-
RING:10N). This mode was the best to meet the
question, because the /previous question might imply
that it might at some time be decided-on, and he
thought •it ought na at any time to be mado the
subject Of, a decision of that House:. The question
of adjournment, if carried, would prove their
Lordships' convi&ion that the Resolution Ought at
no time to be decided upon. The Resolution was
founded on the discussion that had taken place pre--
- vious to the recess. ' He admitted, and even con-"
tended,- that his Noble Friends had been placed' in
a situation of greet diMculty,-by the inUtilatedstate-
tnents of the Cabinet Minutes' that had found'iheir
way 'to the Public, even previous to their resigna-
tioq. It was natural that persons of honour should de-
m—and permission, in such a case,. to state the whole
case,with a view to counteract the calumnies circulat-
‘ed•againSt them. But pAst, trusted, would not
be drawn into a precedent.- A heNoble Baron (Lord
HarrOwby) had justly observed that this proceeding
was founded only on the newSpapez-; parDgraphs and
speeches in Parliament. It' was a`painful duty for him
to perform ; but -he had observed the cireurhstances
that had led td the discussion of the question—_--died
moth 'as he deplored that discussion, he trusted their
Lordships would agree with him, that was im"
portant \the question Shsuld. be 'rightly understood.
He asked; therrufore, Lordships, their pa-
tience and indulgence, whilst he employed the per-
mssitin which he had from th.,. highest (niarter, to
p the sn bje.:':t in its. l.ropc_r•ligLht,
-their Lordships all he knew upon the subject at the
transactiou. .

d'11.4 ()NOR rose to order; and appealed to
their Lordaiiiis, Whether it might not be ill-Tat-lid-
menlary for a Member of that House to enter into
an exposition of transaaiOns,_ which, accordinghis oath as a Privy. Councillor, 'lie wasbound.to Con-
ceal' ? ,
Lord' MAW U7ll Continued. He considered
himself absolVej Irma the strianess of the oath by
the permission he had received ; and appealed to
Lordship4just ice' and impartiality to allow him
'to pursue those steps which others hail trodden with-
out having been interrupted. When the latelAdmi-
niStration had been formed, no restraint had been
laid upoh him with respe& to the Catholic Question.
At that time his opinion was as strung as at present,
and he had expressed •his 'confident .expectation to a
Right Hon. Gentleman, now-no more, and to the
Noble Lord lately at the head of his Majesty's Go-
vernrnent, that the Catholic Question Would-'never
...,agaitr be agitated. This he stated 'only to shew that •
he had kited conscientiously.throughott. But what
he wished with- most. anxiety to press, upon their
Lordship's' attention was; that a Misconception had .
: taken I)l:ice—that it .was not x t ra ord inory •diat
should have taken place—but that it would haw been
impossible that it should not have taken place: From ,
the first appointnieut of the, late Adtuinistrationt up
to Fehrtiar,y last, ,he li ed observed th,.: Wish of his
Colleatue:; to abStaifi from bringing- for Ward
VOL: Question,' 1.3111V.i 411. by an iMperious

. , .
sense of ditty. Then li.was ; lioni.::ht that tre ferme.nts.
in Ireland be al.ayed. by the rneaure. The
Noble Viscount .then entered into an act Orate histo:-'
iical statement of the progress -of then easure, stat-
ing; ,ti'tat, his Majesty had in, the first instance de-
-dared his &termination not to go a step beyond the,
Irish Art of. -1793, and that he hiinsell had been of
the same opioion. The Noble Vi count ;
Called the next day at the FOreigh Ofifee, and stat
ed his cobjedions, and :found thd NOble. Secretary
equally desirous to have every thing connected with
the in,iasure , well un.lerstood. Ile was sure that
his ..Noble Friend (Lord Howick) I that he had
his MAjesty's- approb.ition; Or he would not have
opened the measure to Parliament ; and though he
could notttionht his. Noble Friend's imp;e:,ilon, he
had difficult}, in believing the extent of the consent
of his Majesty. On the 4th of-Ma-eh be had com-
municated leis dissent to any extension beyond 'the
Irish Act of 171;3. He had never seen a.cOpy of the
Dispatch for Ireland, which had been sent to his
Majesty but;bc insisted for going .over a part Of his
statement on a former night (which skewed, that his
Majesty had never 'consented .to moreithan the ex-
tension to the Empire of the Irish Ad of 1793). He
also.contended, that the consent of his 'Majesty had
ken. So uuderstood by :Lords Howick' aud 4rs‘iilv.•
and Mr. Elliot, in Ireland, as well as by himself. A
misconception alone could have produCed , the mis-
take. It was impossible for him to have Conse;tited
to an extension of the protisions beyond the. irish
A& of 1793 ; and he was, therethre, astonished to
find that a Right Hon, Friend of his (Mr. Bond)
had been instructed to *pare clauseS for the Mu-
tiny Bill, of a more extended operation, and larger
import; than he could consent to. He thought. that
it was not too much on the part ot-, his Majesty,
after he bad declared that he would not go a step
fdrther titan thci ALA 170, to etped, that the
measure would not tie carried 'to a greater e- t. -
tmena'ite,
stthyanathealpladauastseie
ctee,t,t
wHhaet hialdtt
sSll.laot.cilit
hove
Properly have stated in Council, his objedions to
the hill.; and Au the same day h's Majesty -had
signified his disapprobation of the whole measure.
W-hen sound that Li measure was to be persisted
in„ which he did not think the king could have con-.
Stilted to,' he had, in the beginning of the following
week, tendered a resignation of .his office, out re•
ceived the (.:onhoatids of his Majesty to continue in.
his
~otfice, which he did tor the fortnight noring
Which the .A.dininistration remained in power.--
The return of theciauses without muarli.was no
scoofof the Ring's -assent ; he might wish - for
..a'personal comniunication with his Ministers, and
thelaa.-was, he had sucli.coMinunication next day
with theM; The representation that, had been sent
to ..his Majesty, he had never seen, nor -the
answer to it ; 'hot he had understood that the authors
etc that represtanation had been required to with-
draw it. Ile had never contemplated .the repre-
sentation, as deScribed to him, but with sincere re-
gref,.though he was sure it was only intended fairly
to let his Majesty know what his servants tdt. them-
SelVes' called upon to 'do. He, had nil}, to say,
that the demand of the pledge' which had been,
required of the Ministers, v4io had made the .reser-
vations, would liaye been to him a proof, a painfill
proof, that they
,no longer possessed that share of his
Majesty's confidence that would be necessary to
them to condo:A the affairs of the empire. •As to
the Chatge of secret .a4viCe, he eOLThict.ere,d that as made
without Of against-evidence, and all ex.-.
perlence; Theconstitutional maxim, that the Ktng7
could dii no -wrafg;'‘and ihat hiss•Mmie were re-
sponsible, referred to ads of EX:ectitive Govern-
tnent,,. but there were many instances in which,
the- King must judge for hitns& if.. He was ccht.,
yinced. that the Icing had ated in this. instance

:frotn: the internal: itnpulse of Iris own heart. Un-,
less the existence *of -secret advisers 'coUld be Oka-
.blistred, the ituestion• would beu:against:the per-
sonal conduct} of the wing. That great -States.=
-man (Mr. Pitt), during seventen years that he
`preBided over the 'Administration of this**Couri-
try.„ could never discover, a trace of that secret
advice: It was his firm convietion,, that his

testy had 'no intention to change. his Ivlihisters
till the misunderstanding took place. 1-kre be
-should say that he was not aware. of any dif-
ference bet Ween two sets of Ministers that. wt nid be.
of such weight as
-the im-portance of upnoldinc,, the
.authority of the King. itt. had been stated, it
would appear to the e of Ireland that his
Majesty's honourable feelings were .the only init.
pediment to a measure in which they were nite-
rested. But he, denied, - that there was an obstaci-O
in the consistent opinions of that House, ana.in
concurrent deciSion of the other liouse two years'ago.
The whole of the,present Reign had beep a cf.
magnanimous policy and:concession to the• Catholic-
s Wole Viscount then stated? that feeling a 1i
Aid, that too. much had already..been graineu to did
Catholics, he should not consent to granting mor
He passed a high panegyric on the 0E144' of thO,
Duke of Bedford in the Government of Ireland,

placed as his Grace had been in a situation bfconsi-.

derlibie difficulty; and after some observations on tto
Goverfiment of Lord'Comden, which be. couiendral

was good, and• that the acts (*barbarity and injustice,
which took place during that Noble Lord's admini-.
stration did not arise out of his, system, concluded
by declarinz, that-he must oppose a proposalon, the,
tendency of Which, by the niost remote construaiop,
went to at Laid) blame to the Schereign.
Lord LAUDERDALE, in a very warm speech;
dontelided; that the proposition of his NOle Friend,
so far, from • having been met lairly; had been placed,-
-fase- point of view ; particularly the asser-
tien of the Noble Viscount, that it was diredle4
against the .Sovereign, demanded his . animadversion,

and that of all the friends of the CoustitOtion,---•.'
1. The Noble Viscount argued, as if no one could
deemed the reSPonsible adviser of the King; 111 lv
he had'had an.opportunity of insinuating,hisadrico
before the step was taken. For his part he at,Aay,i
understood" that, person. to be constitutionally rebuoil4
sible; who either adviSed an unconstitutional
sure in the first instance, Wlio aequieseed_in it .‘;:neF'.
advised•by others, or who, by his subsequent coo'
dn6t, Contributed to the fulfitamly of thw'rneasure.,
The :.',Loble Lords opposite, had 'triad:, thernselVeS
'With: the ,kno,,vledge treat an till'
constitutional pledge had been den-tin:Jed t!r-4
predecessors, they accepted other's; they-did so, .cv•=rl
having, lkst t.,)tite..Ntng ;hat
demand was unconstitutional. ...He attcertAt eta 0:.!
cases of Lords Somers and Granby, which pro'