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London, England, 1849-02-09 00:00:00

GREENWICH PENSIONERS,

Colonel iiiONIPSOi presented a petition from 500
out•pensioners of Chelsea Hospital praying the House
to take their case into consideration and enable them
to recover certain stoppages which had been made from
their pensions.
CHURCH TEMPORALITIES.
Mr. HORSMAN presented a petition, from Sunder-
land complaining' of the distribution of the temporalities
of the Rectory of Bishopikarrnouth.
ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS.
Mr. G. THOMPSON presented a petition from Wake-
field, praying for the abolition of ecclesiastical courts.
THE 'NAVIGATION-LAWS.
Mr. LABOUCHERE gave notice of his intention to
move for a Committee of the whole House on Friday
next to consider the navigation-laws.
Mr. ROBINSON was anxious to know from the
Right Hon. Gentleman whether it was his intention to
put the House in possession of the resolutions he ~
tended to move relative to the navigation-laws, before
the House went into Committee on the subject.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that it was his intention
to adopt the same course he did in the last session,
namely, to move for a Committee of the whole House on
the subject, and as he should then state to the Com-
mittee the resolutions he inteJld to propose, he
must decline putting the House in possession of it.
until after he had explained to the Committee the course
he intended to pursue.
THE RECTORY OF BISHOPSWEARMOUTIE
Mr. HORSMAN wished to ask the Noble Lord at
the head of the Government whether he was enabled
to tell the House what the new arrangements were with
respect to the distribution of the temporalities of the
rectory of Bishopswearmouth since the death of Dr.
Wellesley.
Lord M.T. RUSSELL sai 1, in consequence of the
intimation he had received from the Hon. Member, he
had written to the Bishop of Durham, informing him of
what had passed, at the same time stating to him that
it was entirely at his option whether he gave the
information or not. The Bishop, in his answer, stated
that he did, not recognise the right to ask him
the question, without further inquiry; but that he
had no objection to furnish the means of giving
all the imformation required, and in his power.
It appeared that when the vacancy occurred by the
death of Dr. Wellesley a deputation waited upon the
Bishop and stated that it was their wish that
a new division should take place with respect
to the revenues of the rectory. Those revenues
consisted of tithes, of the rents . of, the glebe lands,
and the rents of way leaves for coals. TLe whole
value of the rectory of Bishopswearmouth in the time of
the late incumbent was 3,6281., out of which the pay-
ments he had to make amounted to 1,605/, leaving
2,0231. The future rector would receive 1,2001.: the
remainder; would be placed in the hands of trustees for
the four incumbents.

Oa the motion of Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL leave
of absence was given to Mr. Maurice O'Connell for a
month, on account of indisposition.
THE SECESSION OF MINISTERS OF THE
ESTABLISHED CHURCH.

Mr. GRANGER wished to ask Lord John Russell
whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government
during the present session to bring forward any measure
to relieve clergymen who had seceded from the Estab-
lished Church against the penal cons( quences of ecclesi-
astical censures, incurred by preaching in other places of
worship.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that it was not the intention
of her Majesty's Government to introduce a Bill on the
subject referred to.—(Hear.) The Hen. Member for
Kilmarnock had given notice of his intention to intro-
duce a Bill on the subject.
COMMITTEE ON IRISH POOR-LAWS.

Mr. lIENRY inquired if it was the intention of the
Government to propose an enlargement of the Committee
on the Irish poor-laws; and also whether it was their in-
tention to propose that Mr. Bright be a member.:
Lord J. RUSSELL said it was intended to enlarge
the Committee, and that it was intended to add the name
of Mr. Bright.—(Hear, hear.)
THE REVENUE.

Mr. J. B. SMITH asked the Chancellor of the Ex-
chc quer whether any steps had been taken by the Go-
vernment to carry out, wholly or in part, the resolution
of the House of the 30th of May last, proposed by Dr.
Bowring, and whether the gross receipt of revenue,
averaging about 7,000,000/. per annum, which has
hitherto been stopped in its progress to the Exchequer,
will in future be paid iato the Exchequer, and placed
under the direct authority and control of Parliament?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied,
that steps had been taken by the Government to carry
out the resolutions proposed in May last, as far as
was practicable. With respect to the latter: part
of the question, it was not so easy to give an answer—
steps were taken, as he had stated, to curry out the
resolution whenever practicable; but he could not under-
take to say that all the surplus rEceived into the Exche-
quer would be voted by Parliament.
SUSPENSION OF HABEAS CORPUS ACT.

On the motion that the House go into Committee upon
the second reading of this Bill,

Mr. O'FLAIIERTY said he was compelled to say
that he had not yet beard a single argument which had
convinced him that the suspension of the Habeas Corpus
Act was necessary in Ireland. Whatever might be the
opinions which were entertained by persons with refe-
rence to the prejudices and feelings that existed in that
country, be must say that there were no feel-
ings of disloyalty now existing. There might
have been some such feelings at one period,
been grossly exaggerated
had
dhere could be no doubt that
bbyutintheeresbteeldievaegditattohresy.
political agitators were now looked upon with great dis-
gust in Ireland. The suspension of this Act would have
the effect of putting down constitutional agitation, which
was the best safeguard for the liberties of a free country.
He would ask the free-trade party in that House
not to assist the Government on the present occasion
and deprive the Irish people of every vestige of their
liberty for the time might come when the same course
would be used against themselves for the purpose of
putting down all expression of opinion in Lancashire
and Yorkshire.—(Hear, bear-) He hoped it would
not be permitted in Ireland because it would tend
to the subversion to every thing like political discussion
or liberty.—(Hear, hear.) Considering the wretchedness
which now existed in the west of Ireland, he was of
opinion that if the Government relief measure was not
adopted thousands would die of starvation in a day.
—(Hear, hear.)—Under these circumstances he
felt constrained to vote for that measure,
but until they went to the root of the evils of that
country, there would be continual agitation, and annual
applications for votes of the present nature. Last Ses-
sion Lord John Russell had expressed his opinion of
the necessity of some great measures for Ireland, and he
felt disappointed that the Government had not come for-
ward with them. The only great measure this Session
appeared to be the suspension of the Habeas Corpus
Act.—(Hear' hear.) He trusted that the Noble Lord
would come forward with some comprehensive measure
to romovo the evils which the bad legislation of this
country had produced in Ireland. The question now
before the House had been fully debated by
Members more able than himself, but he thought he
should be wanting in his duty if he did not fairly ex-
press his opinion that there would be no end to votes of
money for the relief of Ireland unless some effec-
tive measures of redress were introduced. The
Poor-law was no doubt a good foundation to
begin upon, but there were many other grievances
such as the abominable grand jury laws which
ought immediately to be inquired into. They
ought to look to the destinies of that country and
come forward with some remedial measures.—(Hear.)
Mr. SADLIER said, he could not think of occupying
one moment of the valuable time of this House, in de-
liberating on the imperative necessity and importance of
maintaining the constitutional and rational liberties of
the Irish people wholly unimpaired, did ho not feel
strongly on the subject. He acknowledged that
circumstances had arisen, and circumstances might
lienrkties theor f e
probably arise, to justify those who might be
jealous in maintaining those constitutional liberties in
all their integrity, in appealing to this House for a par-
Pal and temporary suspension of the privileges and
b
hishad fellowbcen cnoounteire whatever
But hedid
think
made
oot h.) her Majesty's Althisti•rs—(li:!,,r,ll: ar)—to ju,,tity
them iu appealing
further to this Hull,: at this u.ruululit fur s
extension of the system now in operation in his
country. He had only to say that, when in 1847, a
flagrant and open system of assassination disturbed and

same authority. lle might indeed cite the xpressioes
of the Ministry themselves as a reas al for opposing the
present proposition. As an evidence of the sate of
feeling among the Irish`people, he might state that
within the last few months, at a time of the greatest
polit:cal excitement, it had been his duty at a public
dinner, in one of the proclaimed districts, to give as a
Least her Majesty's health, and and he coat say—
as it eas indeed his bounden duty—to the flou,e that
nowhere could that sentiment have been received more in
accordance with the feelings of any loyal subject, or
even as her Majesty herself might have desired. He
had also, in his capacity of Chairman, been desirous of
giving the health of Lord Clarendon, but he found from
the temper of those present that there would be au in-
superable difficulty iu separating a private and deserved
compliment to that respected nobleman from a personal
approval of the conduct and policy of her Majesty's Mi-
nisters, and desirous as he was of paying that compliment
be was compelled, in compliance with the temper
of the people, to give up his design. They could nut
forget the manner in which when, in opposition, her
Majesty's Ministers had, with so much excitement, en-
forced the claims of the Irish people, and
the energy and power with which they had
always entered into any discussion that was
connected with Irish subject. He could not
forget the effect with which they had spoken of the ex-
pense of retaining 25,000 men for the defence
of Ireland, in days now long since gone by.
He thought the Noble Lord at the head of the Govern-
ment had neglected many opportunities since his return
to office of doing good to Ireland. He ought long ago
to have availed himself of the singular opportunity of
all parties having but one feeling upon the subject
of Ireland and willing to give him support
in the introduction of a comprehensive scheme calcu-
lated to remove the miseries and redress the; griev-
ances of the people of Ireland. (Hear, hear.)
The Noble Lord took occasion, during the last
session, to protect and defend the policy of
Government and in speaking of the distribution of
millions of the public money in Ireland, he threw the
responsibility and blame, expenditure of the funds upon
the gentry and ratepayers of Ireland. He said they had
within themselves the power of diverting into more pro-
ductive channels the immense fund that was voted for the
relief of the Irish distress, but the Noble Lord
omitted to inform the House that no discre-
tion was vested in the people of Ireland with
regard to the appropriation of the fund. lie
forgot to inform the House the fund was
totally and absolutely at the control of the
Government. The conduct of Government with refer-
ence to the condition of the labouring classes of Ireland
was calculated to create in that country a feeling of
discontent and dissatisfaction, and a want of
confidence in the resources and resuscitating fertility of
the land—a feeling which would take a long time to
remove. Could any thing be more disheartening to
the enterprising and industrious man in Ireland than
the exhibition which three Members of the Cabinet had
presented to the House during the present
week.—(Hear.) Essaying to discuss subjects which
must always be of vital importance lo every interest in
Ireland what had been therebourse? The Home Secre-
tary for Ireland assured 'them the question of
the area of taxation in connection with the
Irish Poor-law was one of such vital consequence,
and involved so much in difficulties, that it
was kimossible to legislate upon the subject,
and the matter must be referred to a
Committee, but during the same week he informed the
House that under the existing law the Poor law Com-
missioners had the power of treating that difficult ques-
tion and adjudicating upon it. And in the same week
he told the House that the vital question was to form no
portion of the investigation of the Committee about to
be appointed. (Cries of " Hear, hear.") The
Chancellor ef the Exchequer had occasion to admit
to the app dling destitution of eerta,n districts in
Ireland, and he furnished them with statistics
of the misery and sufferings of the people
with which they had all been previously
too familiar, but what was his surprise when the Right
Hon. Gentleman in the same breath confessed that he
hal come to no conclusion on the subject, nor had he
any proposition or remedy to propound with the view of
mitigating the evil.—(Hear, hear.)
CONFERENCE WITH THE LORDS.
A messenger from the Lords appeared at the table and
stated that their _Lordships were desirous of having a
conference with the Commons on the subject of en-
grossing Bills. Members were accordingly selected to
conduct the Conference, and retired to enter upon their
duties.

After a short absence the conference returned, and
Sir GEORGE GREY reported to the House that the
conference from the House of Lords had agreed with
the Commons with respect to the alterations proposed.
Mr. SADLIER resumed his address and was
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

MARKET IN TELLIGEN CE.
(From the London New Price Current of Feb. 9.)

Siroaa.—To-day West India Muscovado met with a
ready sale both for grocery and•refining purposes, and
in several cases the rate obtained exhibit an advance on
those of Friday last of 6d per cwt. The purchases to
day are 700, and for the week 2,220 hhds, &c.
REFINED.—Today the sales made in Refined goods
were of little moment for home trade purposes, and prices
are looking downward; Brown Lumps are offered at
48s to 495, Standard Lumps at 49s 6d per cwt. For
Bonded Crushed the market is quiet at former terms.

MAIIIIITIUS.—This afternoon the demand was active

for Mauritius, mid the public sales of 3,839 bags went at
6d per cwt advance for grey, and at stiffer rates for
other sorts.

EAST INDIA.—This afternoon the quantity of Bengal
Sugar offered at public sale was large, and amounted to
6,884 bags, still the whole sold at full rates. Of Ma-
nilla 1,300 bags were taken in at 325 6d for low damp
brown.

FOREIGN.—To-day there was no public sale of Foreign
Sugar, and privately the operations were upon rather a
larger scale at fully former rates.
MOLAssEs.—There is still a firm market for West
India, and supplies do not get larger ; the sales are,
however, of little moment this week, and prices rule from
17s to 20s per cwt for low to fine. Bengal Treacle 15s 6d
to 16s.

COFFEE.—To-day there was greater firmness mani-
fested by holders of Coffee, and none was offsred at
public sale. Native Ceylon is still wanted, and good to
fine ordinary realises from 35s to 35s 6d per cwt. For
other sorts of Coffee the demand increases.

Cocoa.—Forein is rot to be obtained upon lower

terms, less demand, however, prevailed this week, and a
larger amount is on offer. At public sale 233 bags
Bahia wero offered, when good and fine red were taken
in at 28s to 295, but dumaged sold at 23s to 275. Of
724 bags of Para a small part only sold. West India
is in greater demand, and realizes stiffer rates; at auc-
tion 30 barrels and 257 bags of Trinidad were all sold.
TEA.—The lower kinds of Congou are held for
former ratu9, and ek.i.ll is nut t,) be purchseA under
Si, but rely a moderato amount of busincs has been
coiteiudt.d I:',:r better ,t)ris ft,isca w;-ts
experienced: medium qualities realised 10d to
Is 2d, and good to fine is 3d to is 10d.
Fine Souchong
_sells more readily at 2s to 28 9d;