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COMMUTATION OF TITHES.

Lord DACRE moved the second reading of his Cow
m station of Tithes' Bill, and in a low tone of voice, It
went over its principal provisions. He agreed that the
right to tithes was as fr II and complete as the right to ad
other species of property, and professed his readiness tO
adopt the suggestions of time Noble Lord on the Woolsaci°
No man was less inclined than himself to injure time inte
rests of the church, and the 'feet of his Bill would be t‘'
give it greater security. It would also tend to produce
good understandiag and harmony between the pastor 3°'
his dock.
Lord WYNFORD supported composition as opposed
to commutation, and contended that the tithe-owner se •
tithe-p iyer ought to be placed upon an equal footing'
Such would not he the effect of the Bill of the Not
Lord, and therefore he resisted its further progress.
,-
also praised in animated terms the liberality of Engl.i°'
landlords to their tenants, and expressed Lis convictOef
that they would act towards the clergy on the subject °
tithes in the same spirit. By this Bill the commutati°A
proposed wit one-fifth of time rent for arable land, one'
eighth for pasture, and one-tenth for wood-land. 111'4
was not a commutation of tithes, but a destruction "
them altogether ; it was an attack on the property of
't
church, which, lie heard with great pleasure, was te
considered sacred. In a commutation, sides ought
to be placed upon an equal footing ; they were not o"
place I here. Of the two parties who were to arbitrate
upon this commutation, one might be a Dissenter, the
other tnigi the a Quaker. The religious scruples of the
latter made him refuse to recognize tithes at all, and Yet
he might be appointed a Commissioner under this 101;
and if the two Commissioners should disagree, the umPire;
instead of being appointed by a Justice of the Peace, ed
by the Lord Lieutenant of a county, was to be elected I'7
the parishioners at large. These objections went to the
principle of the Bill, and were not mere details that cot%
be amended in Committee. Feeling as he did upon
subject, lie felt hound to move that this Bill be read '"
second time this day six months.
The Earl of CARNARVON said that this 13111 r°,.;
posed a measure to which, for many reasons, he felt !ell
strongest objections. In the first place, this commutan:r
could not be made a commutation of land for tithes ; Jce
the great objection to such a plan was, that it would Pliihe
a large portion of the kingdom under the operation of tea,
Statutes of Mortmain. To such an' arrangement they
were the greatest objections, as it would tie up all t
lands in the kingdom in the hands of an ecclesiastie"l
corporation. So much for the general consequenel,t
such a plan. But another objection was, that these ls° he
thus handed over to the clergy, would not partake of .tvg
improvements of agriculture, for the incumbent havithe
only a life interest would not expend his money
i°,fiere
improvement of lards which might immediately
wards pass into the hands of his successor. At the eal9,
time that he raised these objections, he felt that 0;0
measure was necessary to quiet those feelings of of/Oiled,
to tithes which sufferings of distress had lately proticc
tc
Before any measure was introduced, he thought they
ought to be inquiry, and he should be most ready W 3
tend the Committee. by
Tie Archbishop of CANTERBURY wished the IS°
Lord would withdraw the measure ; for otherwiee ba
should be compelled to give a direct negative, which eet
did not wish to do ; for he entertained the highest rel
for the motives of the Noble Lord who had introduce 10e
The Commutation proposed would be none in reality, et
the nominal commutation would be subject to the paYc°,ol
of rates. He thought that the Bill he had intro''
would effect the object which the Noble Lord had in Vogt
and lie trusted, therefore, that the Noble Lord wool'
further press the Bill at this moment. OO
Ertl GREY recommended that the Noble Lord st-()",
not procured in this Bill till that of the Archbishop of, the
terbury bad been fully discussed. He was a friend °f ell
Most Rev. Prelate's Bill, the principle of which, as
as the details, he much admired, and believed that it vi-io'
produce most beneficial effects. That Bill was 11,0•1!
tended to make an alteration in church property--"? abler
strictly a Bill of Regulation. It would be most dent d.
if it were possible, that this subject should be Bette ttO
the provisions of one measure, but lie did not thin!' cod,
it would be possible to accomplish so desirable alippi
He respected the benevolent motives of the Noble

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pensions, and
those persons
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by repeated
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country cot
views of his
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waited upon
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who had introduced this Bill, and he was glad thit the
Noble Lord had shown that the public interest and the in
terest of the church were the same. lie feared that all
that was wish, d could ant be effected by one measure ;
but the measure of the Most Rev. Prelate was at least
a good hecinning. He tl:erefore thought that it was
highly desirable that this Bill should he carried into
effect with the least possible delay. He was the more
Pleased with the Bill, as it would put an end to the
rdi,rtions that had been so long and mistakingly
indulged in—that the church was opposed to amendment
of all kind when their interests were at stake. The most
Rev. Prelate had proceeded with proper caution, and hid
Produced a Bill which was certainly the more practicable
of the Iwo, and to it he should give his utmost support.
Lord DACRE, under these circumstances, should with-
draw the II:11 ; but he must confess that be did not think
the Bill of the Most Rev. Prelate would be found as excel-
lent as it was supposed.
LORD LIEUTENANTS (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion of Lord MELBounNE, this Bill was
real a third time and pissed.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF CO3I2IIONS, JULY 18.
At Four o'clock the SPEAKER took his sett, when
veva 1 Members, among whom were Sir R. Vyvyan and
Mr. J. Brougham, took the oaths and their seats.
Mr. Johnstone appeared at the Bar from the office
of Chief Secretary for Ireland, with papers that had been
Moved for respecting endowed schools in Ireland.
Mr. Danvers appeared at the Bar, from the East India
House, with copies of resolutions of the Directors relative
to granting pensions.
A new writ was ordered, on the motion of Lord Km-
LIE4i,) for the county of Meath, in the room of Sir
Afarens Somerville, deceased.
Mr. Alderman THOMPSON presented a petition from
the watertnen plying on the Thames against the Steam
N wig ition Company's Bill.

BOROUGH OF MONMOUTH.
Lord BELGRAVE brought up the report of the Com-
mittee appointed to try the merits of the petition of
the Marquis of Worcester against the return for the
borough of Monmouth, and stated that he had to
acquaint the House that Benjamin Hall, Esq. had
not been duly returned a Burgess to serve in Parli i-
ment, and that the Marquis of Worcester ought to have
been returned ; also that neither the petition, nor the op-
N'ition to it, had been frivolous or vexatious.
The Clerk of the Crown-office was then called in and
ordered
to amend the return, inserting the Marquis of
Worcester's name instead of Benjamin Hall,
Lord MORPETH rose to call the attention of the
House to a petition of very considerable importance, not
"iy as regarded the honour and character of the House, but
the interests of the public ; he begged to preface his
°Lelervations, by stating that he would avoid expressing
!fIY opinion upon the merits of the particular measure,
in the progress of which those proceedings had occurred
to which be was about to call the attention of the House;
the Merits or demerits of a rail-road Bill could not be dis-
cussed upon this petition, and any allusion thereto would
~,t/et "nly be superfluous but unfair ; but it was other-
with the proceedings of the Committees of
""e House. Tee petitioners described themselves as
subscribers to a proposed Manchester and Leeds rail-
Lead ; they stated that a petition had been presented
; this House for leave to introduce a Bill, which was
ntsated, and on the 4th of July the Bill was referred to a
Committee; that while the case was proceeding the Com-
mittee intimated to their Counsel that sufficient evidence
had been produced as to the trade and population ; and not-
hthstandin_ e t
that, toey understood that on the 12th Ju'y
g e
Committee came to a decision that the preamble of the
ill had not been proved. They also stated that
several Members who had not heard any of the evidence,
and some who had only beard a part, came into the
room While the votes were being taken on the preamble.
was this latter part which he (Lord Morpeth) felt, as
MCbairman, bound to confirm ; he could state also that those
ember,, five or six of them, remained in the room
tad gave their votes; which way they voted he was not
called upon to say, as it was immaterial to the
Present question. Such a practice he could only de-
scribe as very inopportune and one liable to great
Inikoustruction. He had not been long enough a Mem-
ber of the House to know whether it was a rare occur-
rence or not; if it was, the sooner it was brought to the
4'44* of the House the better ; but he understood it bad
very frequently taken place. It was very irksome to him
to reflect ou Members of this House, but he would declare
that he could not impute any private feelings or interests
rail
t .
any individual ; it must, however, be perceived that
ways formed comparatively new matter for legislative
consideration; they involved interests and expense, anti
01 matters could not be decided by ex-parte statements,
(1!? without hearing all the evidence. The petitioners
p‘onlitted to the House that the evidence then produced
,tily established the preamble of the Bill, and they referred
House to that evidence in support of their statement.
tlineey therefore objected to the vote of the Committee upon
sitPreanable,and prayed the House to adopt such measures,
er by a recommittal of the Bill or otherwise, as might
t;',,u,st and expedient. The Noble Lord found, on reference
Pro" `"e Votes of the House, a resolution, in which it was
ded that any arty interested in a private Bill, who
aPPeared to support the Bill in the Committee, or were
of the
of the Bill, and were dissatisfied with the vote
the Committee, might petition the House for its re-
Minittal ; and that such Bill, with the report of the
Committee, and the petition, might be referred to a Select
r 4'llnittee of Appeal, consisting of seven Members,
1° hear argumeuts upon the rejection of the Bill, and re -
Port thereon to this House. His Lordship then referred to a
!ale airailar to the present, viz. the Clyde Navigation Bill,
In which that resolution was acted upon. The Noble
Lord concluded by hoping that such a practice as Members
tinting in Committees without hearing the evidence would
I:,e checked, as being at variance with the character of the
House, and of the interests of the public.
WYNN suggested that the best course would be to
Tove that the petition be printed, so that it would be in the
bands of every Member, and then to give notice of his
mention to bring this subject forward in another shape.
th Mr. LITTLETON was of the same opinion, and said
liavigationat was 69 course adopted in the case of the Clyde
it 13a the petition being read, Lord 11101tPETH moved that
't printed, and he then gave notice of his intention to
il've the House on Wednesday next, to take the subject
~`,,.0 consideration.
lenatt LENNETT said that to-mo row he should pre-
hef°lin petition from Great Bedwin on the subject of the
;hat Bill, an that in Committee sould move that
, at hero
ugh be removed from schedule At
to schedule B.
spa r• ADEANE presented a petition from the owners
bi.p°ccupiers of land at Swaffham and Royston, in Cam •
disotkshire, praying that molasses might not be used in
,Illeries or breweries, and that the duty on sugar might
lowered.
)tir p A Ivo
ttari • • presented a petition from the manufac-
ra and tradesmen of Leicester, for the repeal of the
„ _to Laves
41r. HUNT presented a petition from Huddersfield,
Yorkshire
t 0„,.., signed by about six thousand male adult
I.;nitante, praying that they might have a share in the
Ltii,caerrta, tion ; that the suffrage might be extended to
oe 4., or Preston suffrage, and that the voters might
;matted by the ballot.
Roo' E.
SUGDEN hoped that Government and that
her:* House would not be blind to the fact now brought
of the them by this and similar petitions, that vast bodies
Rehrt n Be People were discontented with the provisions of the
eoill
eh t
es, •
C ONNELL said he hoped the House would re-
EN_ the infinite preponderance of public opinion in
of tbe measure.
tka: RoM
foriousE suggested that considering the impor-
N, of 'the Reform Bill, and the time it was likely to oc-
ezie Committee, it might be necessary to take some steps
tp eaPeditiug itaprogress, by having, as at the Queen's trial,
Fly sitting at tea o'clock. He was anxious that every
aktirittinity for the due discussion of the subject should be
Withas little delay as possible. The question being in
%N
Onniatttee the House would not suffer additional em-
*ere itnents as two Chairmen could be had ; and if it
Otele,',lllPOssible that all the Members could always be
the still a sufficient portion would be found to transact
fee eoesi,ness. He thought there was an actual necessity
•Mr,ng to such an arrangement.
caliht WYNN considered it impossible that the House
Lot, . r
0 such an arrangement.
tioti ALTHORP said it had been under the considera-
Government, seeing the length to which the Co-
-4 :e rn
tc the Reform Bill was likely to extend, that some
thet ge onment should be made. At present he did not think
if all thing which
outlein had yet occurred would justify the
"%tee_ taking such an extraordinary step. He did think,
amp Jr! it was a matter of great importance, and if be
all lik::?t the delay occasioned was such as was at
tittle iTY to defeat a measure of such importance, by the
the Tr' took in Committee, he should think it the duty of
do 4•41°.05e to adopt • some decisive means to expedite the
6?4l)`'ja.of the House. At present he saw no occasion
Measure. •
ilstoe'l!l DAVIES considered if Hon. Members were to
111 giving notices as they bad been of late in the
lteekii‘e'.rll doing, instead of the Reform measure being three
woui.) getting through the Committee, he was certain
oteupy the 'Hotise six 'Moulin; at least, Great,,

evil would attend prolonging the proceedings in this way ;
many Members would have to return to the country,
others would he tiken to Election Committees, and, shrive
all, the public would become imp 'tient and consider that
the House were not sincere. He hoped the Noble Lord
would give the suggestion of the House sitting on the
business his serious consideration.

Sir E. SUGDEN could hardly believe that the Noble
Lord was sincere in the threats which he had thrown
nut. It was utterly impossible far the Noble Lord
to take any step more likely to frustrate his own
object, end injure this great measure, than attempting
to carry it through the House with any thing
like an improper haste. If it were meant
merely to sub,titute sitting in the day-time for sitting. at
night, that would be only the introduction of a novelty
of the Noble Lord's, previous to what else was to fol-
low under the Reform Bill. It would be utterly impossible
for Hon. Members of his own profession, for example, to
give up their tither avocations and attend there during
the day ; and if it were intended to extend the sittings of
the House to both day and night, it would be equally
impossible for him and many of his colleagues, or indeed
for any one set of men, to endure it. Such an attempt
would be alike unsatisfactory to the public and discredit-
able to the Noble Lord.

Lord ALTIIOIIP said he had thrown out no threat.
Nothing yet had occurred to induce him to propose any
change in the hours of sitting, but should it appear that
the Bill would occupy such a length of time in the
Committee as the House now sat, that it would
seem to he impossible to get through it, then undoubtedly
it would be necessary to sacrifice a greater portion of time
to its consideration.—(Cheers.) Ile was quite aware of
the inconvenience that a greater sacrifice of time would
occasion to some gentlemen, hut he had always understood
the doctrine of that House to be, that the first duty of its
Members was to attend to the discharge of their public
business in the House of Parliament.—(Loud cheers.)

111 r. PRINGLE moved for a new n rit to issue for the
election of a 31anber to serve in Parliament for the county
of Peebles, in the room of Sir G. Montgomery, decea•ed.

THE HON. WILLIAM LONG WELLESLEY.

The SPEAKER—I have to inform the House, that on
Saturday last 1 received a letter hem the Lord High Chan-
cellor, datid, _ _

" High Court of Chancery, July l(.

" Ma. SPEAKER,..-I have the honour to make known Co you,
for the information of the House of Commons, that I have issued
my warrant for the commitment of the Hon. William Long
Wellesley, Knight of the Shire for the county of Essex, for a
contempt of the Court, confessed by him in open Court, for tak-
ing his daughter, a ward of this Court, from the custody of those
to whom she had been entrusted by order of this Court, and for
refusing to deliver up the said infant ward, when served with an
order so to do, and for stating in open Court that lie was resolved
not to give up the said ward,and that he had taken steps to with-
draw her from the jurisdiction of the Court.
" The right of this Court to commit is unquestionable, and has
been enforced against Peers of the realm ; but I have thought fit
to make this communication to you, in order to bring the House
of Commons acquainted with the fact, to account for his absence,
and to testify my perfect respect for the Honourable House.
"BROUGHAM, Chancellor."
And this (lay I have received the following letter from the
Hon. William Long Wellesley :

"July 18.
" MR. SPEAKER,-.4 have to inform you that on Saturday last,
I was ordered by the Lord Chancellor into custody. lam not
aware that I am so confined for any breach of the law, written
or expressed, that could justify my detention. I therefore beg
leave to submit this act as an infringement of the privilege of
Parliament, of my constituents, and also of myself.
" I have the honour further to request that you will lay this,
my complaint, before the House, in order that it may direct my
immediate discharge, that I may attend in my place there."

Lord ALTHORP had directed inquiry to be made to
ascertain if there were any precedent, but he had found
no case m which a Member of this House had been
committed for an offence by the Court of Chancery,
though, it must be confessed, a Peer of the realm had
once been committed under similar circutnstances. The
privilege of Parliament extended to civil but not to crimi-
nal actions. This peculiar case was one in which he
should say that both these points were blended. But it
was a new case, and one of great difficulty, and which he
thought would be better discussed in a Committee of Pri-
vileges than now.—(Hear.) _ _

Mr. WYNN thought the privileges of Parlia-
ment extended to all cases but those of treason,
felony, and breach of the peace. Cases had oc-
cured in which the House had shown to what
extent the breach of the peace was carried. He found
that on the 14th of April, 1697, the House had passed
a resolution that no Member of this House should have any
privilege in case of breach of the peace, forcible entry, or
forcible detainer. It was difficult to say if imprisonment for
contempt of the Courts of Chancery or King's Bench was
punishable by either branch of the Legislature. He
therefore begged to move that the subject be referred to a
Committee of Privilege.
Sir R. PEEL expressed his concurrence in what had
fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. O'CONNELL expressed a similar opinion.
The SPEAKER put the question to the House, whether
the said letters and the subject matter therein mentioned,
be referred to a Committee of Privileges to examine the
matter thereof, and report the same with their opinion to
the House, when
Sir C. VETHERELL rose and said he considered this
to be a matter-of-fact contempt, and if upon inquiry
it shduld torn out that a Member of that House
was not amenable to that jurisdiction to which
every subject of the realm was, it would be a matter
for 'subsequent inquiry what should be then done.
He collec-ed front the speech of the Hon. Member for
Kerry that Members of Parliament were to be exempt
from the payment of obedience to the orders of that Court.
Mr. ROBERT GRANT observed, that though in the
letter to the Speaker no allusion was made to force, it was
apparent in the order for committal.
Sir C. BURRELL considered it would be most mis-
chievous were the privileges of that House to interfere,
and grant such protection, except in cases of absolute ne-
cessity. _ _

Sir J. SCARLETT took it to be quite clear that the
Lord Chancellor had no right to punish for a breach of
the peace. The general opinion was, that the
process of contempt against a Member of Parliament
in a Court of Common Law was by a writ of distringas,
and in the Court of Chancery by sequestration.

Mr. BARING concurred with the Hon. Member for
Sussex.

The letter was therefore reft,rred to a Committee of
Privileges, to sit to-morrow at Twelve o'clock.
Lord ALTHORP moved the Order of the Day for the
House to resoive itself into a Committee of Supply.
SHOOTING DOGS IN HYDE PARK.

Mr GEORGE DAWSON wished to take that oppor-
tunity to ask the Noble Lord opposite a question in rela-
tion to the practice of shooting dogs in Hyde Park. He
had seen no less than seven dogs shot in one day without
any necessity. That, he conceived was a cruel and a wan-
ton practice, and he was sure that it could not be done
with a knowledge of the Illustrious Duke who was the
Ranger of that Park. He had before stated this circum •
stance to the Noble Lord at the head of the Woods and
Forests; but he conceived it his duty to ask the question
publicly, in order that the Ranger of the Park might give
more precise and definite orders. The number of slogs
lately shot had created a great sensation. The practice
was disgusting as.well as dangerous, for children took dogs
into the Park without a suspicion of danger, and they
might be injured. He had seen all kinds of dogs shot,
from the lady's lap-dog up to the Newfoundland dog.
He wished the Noble Lord would make some representa-
tion to the Duke of Sussex, so that the practice might be
put an end to.
Lord DUNCANNON was ready to acknowledge that
the Right Hon. Gentleman had mentioned the matter to
him before it was mentioned to the Superintendent, and
he could assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that no dogs
were shot unless they were chasing the deer. If any keeper
shot dogs under other circumstances, he must exceed his
orders.

Mr. O'CONNELL said there could be no doubt that
shooting dogs was perfectly illegal.

EXPENCE OF THE CORONATION.

Mr. BRISCOE wished to ask the Noble Lord a ques-
tion, as he said that it was settled that the coronation
ahould take place on the Bth of September. It waspart
of the compact between him and his constituents, that he
should endeavour to enforce the most rigid economy,
Without that there could be no Reform—and without thai
every other Reform would be useless. The laq corona-
tion was very expensive, and he wished. to learn from the
Noble Lord what would be the expense of the next coro-
nation as compared to the last. It must cost a great deal
of money, even when conducted with the utmost economy,
and was little better than an idle pageant. The King
reigns in the hearts of his subjects, and he could not wish
for the vanity and pomp of a coronation. It•was a mea-
sure that appeared to him most unwise, and, in the pre-
sent state of the country, much to be deprecated. It
would be cLasidered as a waste of the public money,
which the country could ill afford, and was little disposed
to give. He wished the cost to be ascertained before tan
steps were taken to carry it into execution. He alluded
to the subject with no unfriendly feeling to the Govern-
Anent ;. and in doing so, he thought he was studying the
honour and dignity of the Crown, and discharging his
duty as ;;an independent Member of Parliament. He
wished, then, to learn from the Noble Lord what would
be the expense of the coronation, and what was the ex-
pence:qf the last coronation?
Loyd ALTHORP repliedt that the coronation was, as
most HonOnratde 'Gentleinen were aware, a ceremony

which had taken place at the commencement of every
reign. Soon after the revolution, certain oaths were di-
rected by Act of Parliament to be taken by -the reigning
Sovereign. He looked upon - it, therefore, as imperative
in point of law, th :t a coronation should take place. He
agreed, at the same time, with the Hon. Gentleman, that
any extravagance at the coronation would be most injudici-
ous. He was happy, therefore, to say, that it was his
Majesty's wish that no mete expence should be incurred
than was necessary. It would, accordingly, he the en-
deavour of the Government to conduct the coronation
with the least expence that was consistent with propriety.
The expence of the former coronation was enormous, and
he hoped that this coronation would wit cost one-fifth of
the former.--(Hear.)
Mr. HUNT recommended the Hon. Member for Surrey
to move for the expence of the former coronation.
Mr. C. PELHAM said a tew words, which were inau-
dible in the gallery'.
Mr. HUME was prepared to hear what had fall, n from '
the Noble Lord as to economy, and he hoped, as Parlia-
ment
was sitting, that the estimates would be laid before
the House.—(Hear.) There was another expence eon -
nectea with the coronation which he hoped will not be in-
curred. At the last coronation a large Brevet promotion
was made, which imposed an expence of 10,0001. a year,
and paralysed the active service. He hoped such a thing,
Would not take. place at this coronation.

Lord ALTHORP replied that the question was under
consideration.

BIRHOP OF DERRY.

Mr. HUME, adverting to the circumstance of the
recent death of the Bishop of Derry, and to the fact that
the Governor of Malta had, in 1807, reduced the revenue
of the Bishop there, on the death of an incumbent, from
3,8001. to 2,000/., recommended the Government to
imitate that example, and curtail the revenue of the Bishop
of Derry. The income of that See was from 14,0001. to
20,000/. a year, and it had 42 preferments as patronage
belonging to it, with a salary of from 450/. to 1,4501.
besides glebe lands from 900 to 1,000 acres. A reduction
or the income of that See would give great satisfaction, and
it was necessary to begin a Reform in that church in time,
unless they wished to see the day come when a more ex-
tensive Reform would be forced on them.

Lord ALTHORP was understood to say that the case
referred to by the Hon. Member, of a Catholic Bishop at
Malta, did not bear on the case of the Bishopric of Derry.