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HOUSE OF COMMONS.

BEER RETAIL BILL.

Mr. ROBINSON presented a petition from certain Publi-
cans in Yorkshire, against the Beer Retail Bal.—Laid on the
table.
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Mr. Alderman BRYDGES presented several petitions from
certain individuals to the same effect.—Laid. on the tal*.
Mr. ROBARTS presented petitiOns-oga.similar naturefrom
various publicans.—Laid on the table. - • -
Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET presented a similar iv.-
titian from the publicans of Gloucester.—Laid On the table.
•- Mr. WODE HOUSE presented several similav petitions from
Publicans in Lineolnsbire.—Laid on the table.

Mr. D. COOPER presented s _petition to the same effect
from the Publicans of the city of Gloucester.—Laid on the
table.

Mr: G. LAMB presented petitions of a similar nature from
.several publicans in Hertfordshire.—Laid on the table.
Mr.,CALCRAFT presented .a similar petition from the
Publicans of Gravesend: -
Mr. BROUGHAM thought that at least the subject
.to
which the petitions referred, ought to be taken into the ma-
ture consideration of the House. It was remarkabke•that the
only persons who had petitioned against the Bill were path...,
cans and brewers. •

The pfitition was ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. BYNG presented several petitions from publicans in the
county\ of Middlesex, against the Bill.—Laid on the table.
The Hon. Member presented, Ett the same time, petitions
from the Inhabitants and the Clerk of the Parish of St. Pan-
cras, against the Highgate Chapel Bill.—Laid on the table.
Sir E. HARVEY presented seven petitions from various
Publicans against the Beer Retail Bill.—Laid on the table:
Mr. C. CALVERT presented a petition from the inhabit-
ants of Holloway and Kentish town against the Highgate Cha-
pel Bill.—Laid on the table.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER presented a
Petition from two Brewers of Harwich agaiiiilt the Beer Retail
Bill.—Laid on the table.

Mr. BUTTERWORTH presented Petitions from the Pub-
licans of Gosport, Portsmouth, and Portsea, against the same
Bill.—Laid on the table. •
Mr. HUIVIE presented a Petition from an individual named
Henry Constantine Jennings, complaining of the exclusive
privilege enjoyed by the Universities of printing Bibles, and
praying that it might be generally extended.—Laid on the
table, and ordered to be printed.
11Ir. 'l'. WILSON presented a Petition from the Licensed
Victuallers of the City of London against the Beer Retail Bill.
on the table. •

The Hon. Maher then presented a Petition from the ship,
owners of the Port of London, complaining of the hardship of
being obliged to pay the same amount for stamps on the trans-
fer of ships, as on she transfer of real property, and praying
that their case might.be taken into consideration.—Laid on the
table. _ _ _

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Mr. RENNET presented five petitions against the Beer Re-
tail Bill; and Mr. HOBIIOLTSE six to the same effect.—Laid
on the table. _ _

Dr. LUSIIINGTON presented a similar petition from a
Publican in Kent.--IJahl on the table.

MABERLY presented a similar petition from the
Brewers of Abingdon.—Laid on the table.
Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from an individual
named Robert Douglas, complaining that certain services
which he had rendered to the Victualling Department had not
been remunerated. -Laid on the table.
ORANGE. PROCESSIONS. •
Mr. BROUGHAM presented a Petition from John Law-
less, Proprietor and Editor of a Newspaper, called The Irish-
man, published at Belfast, complaining f the Orange Pro-
cessions, and of the Executive Government not having taken
means to prevent them.
Mr. S. RICE could not help expressing his regret, that, not-
withstanding the letter of his Majesty, . and the- happy results
which were anticipated, from it, , these, public outrages should •
have been permitted to take place. .
Sir J. MACKIN I'OSII thought it disgraceful that these
scenes should have been'reneweem Dublin, anti was surprised
that the means had not been resorted to for their prevention,
which, under the Lord Lieutenancy of the Duke of Medford,
had been found efficient to prevent them. These occurrences
'were an annual insult to the people of Ireland, and\ an annual
libel upon the MeMory of King William. This Was the only
instance in the history of nations where a minority of conquerors
continued to insult the-people of a country through a series of
ages down to the present period. To make the statue bf William
their exultation, was the greatest insult to his fame ; for he was
one of the first champions of toleration and liberty in religion.
Accidental circumstances alone prevented his acting in that cha-
racter-in Ireland ; but they disgraced the name of Orange who
assumed it for such purposes as those complained of by the
Petitioner. •
Mr: GOULBURN said that he lamented exceedingly that
any excesses of the nature complained of should be committed;
and more particularly from the feelings he held upon the ques-
tion With which they were connected. He had reason to be-
lieve that the accounts which brought the information relative
to these circumstances were greatly exaogerated.
Sir G. HILL said, that no one coulddeprecate more than he
did the transactions which were represented to have taken place
in Dublin. Without wishing to provoke discussion, he must,
however state that the, pfovocation in these disturbances came
largely from the other party. He was certain, that in mast
case's the interference of the gentry in the neighbourhood of their
residences, would prevent the recurrence of such scenes.
Mr. C. HUTCHINSON expressed his wish that the Attor.
ney General for Ireland had been present, in order that he
might haVe asked him officially whether the law, as it at pre-
sent stood, was not strong enough to prevent these disgraceful
outrages ? If not, they ought to give the Lord Lieutenant such
power as would enable him to prevent them, before the House
neparated. Be must deprecate the conduct of the Government,
in hot interfering upon the late occasion. Ile Understood that
the police were actively engaged in the rioting, and taking part
against the insulted party. If it should appear that a police
magistrate had been engaged in the riot, he trusted that the
Lord Lieutenant would visit such conduct in the manner it. dew
served.

Mr. S. RICE hoped that, as all sides of the House had con-
curred in reprobating these outrages, the public knowledge of
that fact would have such a moral influence upon the minds of
the country, as would prevent their being repeated on future
occasions.
-- Mr. BROUGHAM agreed that,such an expression of opi-
nion from all sides of the House, and from all shades of party,
upon that great question which so much divided men's minds,
must have the effect of discountenancing these outrageous
proceedings. He wished to ask a question of the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman opposite, .relative to the letter to which
he had called the attention of the House upon a former
occasion, purporting to be written by Mr. Saurin. He had
since heard that the date of the writing of the letter was six
years back ; or, according to other accounts, that it was written
as long ago as the year 1813. As this was a very important
consideration, he wished to ask the Right Hon. Gentleman
whether he had any knowledge of the period at which the letter
was written ? If it btire so remote a date, that would he a suf-
ficient reason for the House passing it over without notice.
Mr.- GOULBURN said, that all the answer he could give
t) the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was, that he had seen
nothing in the letter, either in the nature of its contents or in
-the manner of its publication, affording ground upon which he
should have been justified in calling upon the Gentleman whose
name it bore for any explanation. Ile was not now connected
in any way with the Government, and was therefore apt re-
sponsible in that respect. The letter carried upon the frce of
it the proof that it was not of recent date, and warranted the
conclusion that it was addressed to a person, 'who, although

he had since become a Judge, was their in practice as a

sister.
Sir G. HILL wished to take this opportunity of asking the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman, if he had riot received a com-
munication from a distinguished Roman Catholic Ger_tl,7r.---r,
relating to the public notice of. this letter ?
Mr. 13H0[,' GHAM was at a loss to know by what right the
Hon. Baronet questioned him upon any communication he
Might have held with any Gentleman—(Heal', hear !)—whe-
ther drstinguished or obscure, Roman Catholic or Protestant.
But if it would gratify the Hon. Baronet's curiosity—he would
not say his illaudable curiosity—he would tell him that he had
held no communication with any one, direct or indirect, upon
the subject of this letter. He stated at the time when se first
mentioned it, that he had no other knowledge of the matter
than. his having seen the letter publishain a public paper. He
then thought it indispensable that it should come under the no-
tice of the House ; but as long as it had been confined to pri-
vate circles, lie should not have deemed such a course necessary.

PRICE SEVENPENCE.

Mr. R. MARTIN wished to say a few words upon the
tion, which he considered to be one of very great importance. .
lie was most happy to hear both sides of the House join in re-_._
probating these annual outrages, and he was particularly grate-
ful to the Right HonOurable Gentleman for the manner in which
he had spoken of them. With regard to what bad blien said by .
the Hon. Baronet (Sir G. Hill) as to the provocation arising-on•
both sides, he begged leave to give' that a most 'unqualified .
contradiction without meaning the slightest disrespect--(A
laugh !)—He would in a very few words convince the Howie .
that what he, said upon this subject.rnust be the truth.-(A
laugh !).L-It was chiefly in the _North of Ireland that thew
Oriiiigr.,Processions were carried on, and there the mass of the. .
inhabitants were Protestants. The, only object, therefore, was
to annoy anloutrage the feW Catholics who lived among them.
In the County 'which he had the honour to, represent, the prod •
portion-, of the Catizolispopulation to that of the Protestants
was as 50 or 60 to one. Yet he had never heard a toast given
that was offensive to the Protestants, nor seen any thing done .
to hurt their feelings.—(klear, hear !)
The petition was ordered to be printed. •
RETAIL OF BEER.. • . • •
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Mr: F.PALMER presented a Petition from the Inhabitant%
of Reading, ,infavour of the Bear Bill. The petitioners ex-
pressed a hope that his Hon. and Learned Friend would perse
vepe with•his measure, even though he should lose it in thz.
present Sessiki.