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London, England, 1849-08-01 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

no us P OF !,01? DS. July 31.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yeitcrtiv.)
Mr. BERNAL appeared at the bar of the House, and
brought up the 13ankrupt?:y Bill, Poor-law Bill, and
several other public and private Bills.
The House then adjourned the public business till
Five o'clock.

The Earl of SHAFTESBURY resumed the Woolsack at
Five o'clock.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from cer-
tain of the inhabitants of Westminster, praying
for the adoption of sanitary measures ; also
a petition from Rochester praying for the en-
forcement of the treaties for the abolition
of slavery entered into with Spain and the Brazils, and
for the exclusion of slave•grown produce; also a peti-
tion from Dublin against the abolition of the Law of
Attachment; and a petition from Mary Walker, of
Bristol, complaining of gross misconduct on the part of
the officers of the County Court i❑ that city.
EDUCATION—MANAGEMENT CLAUSES.

Lord LYTTELTON asked whether any particular
system of management is required in schools connected
with the British and Foreign S,:hool Society, the Wes-
leyan Methodists, and the Free Kirk of Scotland, on the
part of the Committee of Privy Council as an indispc n-
sable condition of their receiving aid from the publio
grant?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that the manage-
ment clauses were enforced with regard to all sects as
well as with regard to the members of the Church of
England.
After a few words from the Earl of HARROWBY,
the subject dropped.
ORANGE PROCESSIONS IN IRELAND.—THE

DOLLY'S BRAE AFFAIR.
The Earl of RODEN rose for the purpose of offering
explanations with regard to the tragic occurrences at
Dolly's Brae on the 12th of July.—(Hear, hear.)
There was no individual who more sincerely
regretted the collision which then took place
or the melancholy results of the condition. In another
place his conduct had been greatly misrepresented in
relation to this melancholy occurrence. It had been said
that he (the Earl of Roden) was answerable for the
murders which then took place. It had been stated
that he had assembled and feasted the Orangemen in
his park, and supplied them with beer, porter, and
whisky, and had there addressed them in a rambling
and inflammatory speech. There was no foundation
whatever for the change, and he would state to their
Lordships the circumstances of the case as they really
occurred. In 1846 the Processions Act expired,
and their Lordships knew how attached the lower classes
of the Irish were to processions. In 1848 their existed
in Ireland a spirit of rebellion ; there was then a great
exertion made by the Noble Earl who so admirably
governed Ireland to put down that rebellion, and he
succeeded. There was not a loyal man in Ireland who
did not feel grateful to Lord Clarendon. There were
many among the lower orders, as well as among the
upper orders, who were opposed to the repeal
of the Union, and when the 12th of July came it
was thought right that there should be a demonstration,
in order to show to the kingdom that there were
large numbers of loyal Orangemen of all classes
who were opposed to the repeal. About a fortnight
before the 12th of July he was informed that the
Orangemen were desirous of visiting him on that day.
He endeavoured to dissuade them from assembling, or
calling on him. The gentlemen said they would be much
disappointed, and that if they did not call upon him they
would meet elsewhere. He took two days to consider,
and considering that they wished to manifest their at-
tachment to him, he told the gentlemen that he thought
if they were determined to assemble, they would be
safer in his park than elsewhere, and he would not
shut his gates against them. On the 12th of July
2,000 Orangemen, accompanied by their wives and chil-
dren, arrived at his park and defiled before him in the
most orderly and quiet manner; no doubt some of them
were armed, but he knew not that one of them was
armed until he saw them there. He did not think
that it was any wrong for them to be armed
On the 17th of March the Ribandmen appeared armed,
and bad fired a volley as they passed his gate,
and no attempt had been made to stop them,
and had he entertained the idea that the fact of some of
the persons being armed made it an illegal proces-
sion he would not have suffered it. The number
armed only amounted to about 200 out of 2,000. The
procession went to the end of his park ; and he
felt it his duty to go with them, in order to
prevent the commission of indiscretion, and to show
them that the gentry were willing to stand by them.
It was said that he feasted them with beer, porter, and
whisky ; the only refreshment supplied to them was
bread and cheese and small beer. It was also said
that he harangued them; he had addressed them, and
he would read to their Lordships what he had said; it
had been taken down at the time.

" My dear Brethren,—l am anxious to express how
grateful I feel for the spontaneous and unsolieited visit
to me this day, on the occasion of our glorious anniver-
sary. I feel that this is the most gratifying mark of
your affection and attachment which you could have
bestowed upon me and my family. The thousands of
loyal men that I see around me—the waving banners of
50 lodges—the dense multitude, too great for any voice
to reach—the magnificent scenery by which we are
surrounded—the mountains of Morne echoing to your
shouts—Slieve Donard, the mistress of them all, looking
down upon our proceedings—the waters of the Shimna
flowing beneath us, carrying the testimony of your
loyalty to the ocean before us, make it a glorious sight—
one in which I wish every loyal man could have joined
us to-day—one which I should delight in thinking that
even those opposed to us were here to witness. But,
much as I thank you for this visit, I feel the honour was
not so much intended to me personally as to those Pro-
testant principles which I hold, and which I have
endeavoured to maintain for a period of thirty years'
residence amongst you. I have learned, and am con-
vinced, that it is true Protestant principles, held up
and maintained in this land, that can alone prove a
guarantee for the liberties of all classes and denomina-
tions of the people; it is the right of private judg-
ment in the study of God's holy word which is the
chief blessing of any nation which avails itself of it. It
is for this principle Orangemen contend, and which, I
trust, they will never cease to assert, acting under the
teachings of God's word, which enjoins forbearance and
love to all. I trust you will even show to those who dis-
approve of your organization that you are not a faction,
driven by party violence to commit unlawful acts ; that
you do not desire to infringe on the liberties and happi
ness of others ; but that you wish to see all denomina-
tions of your fellow-subjects enjoying the blessings
which you seek for yourselves. It is a great pleasure
to communicate to you on the present occasion the
probable arrival of our Gracious Queen and her Royal
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Consorta in this country. Oh, that we could see her fairy
lbandkinngowonashore—thatwotic: dwaewcooilldd
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with the shouts of your thousand, ten
—how her eyes would sparkle at such sight now
before me, in the assembling of that multitude of loyalll°
men, ready to lay down their lives in the defence of her
Crown and her rights!—(Great cheering and shouting.)
We have had much to complain of from the various par-
ties who have ruled the country for the last 20 years.
The rowers have brought us into deep water'—we have
seen heavy blows and great discouragement given to
Protestantism; but still maintain your loyalty—you will
never forget, I trust, that your motto is unchanged—
' Semper eadem,' involving the preservation of your
rights, the promotion of peace, and the welfare of all
denominations of our fellow-subjects. I trust you will
rather take evil than provoke it; that nothing will in-
duce you, in returning to your homes to-day, to resent
even any in9ult you may receive. May God bless you
and uphold you, keeping you firm in your principles,
determined to support the laws of the country, and
enabling you by g well.doing to put to silence the igno-
rance of foolish men.' I shall now conclude, asking you,
before you go, to join me in three hearty cheers for her
Gracious Majesty and her Royal Consort, and may they
have a speedy voyage and happy arrival on our shores."
Was there ono word in it that the Orangemen should
return through Dolly's Brae, or molest any one, or, if
opposed, to meet force by force?—(Hear, hear.) He
could go further, but he wished on this occasion to con-
fine himself to his own personal connexion with the
affair, especially as it was now under investigation. He
returned thanks to their Lordships for having listened to
him so patiently, and he trusted that he had satisfied the
mind of every reasonable man that he was not amenable
to the charges made against him.—(Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE hoped that the Noble
Lord, after the statement he had thought it his duty to
make in reference to a matter affecting his character,
would consider it a wise forbearance if he (the Marquis
of Lansdowne) did not state anything himself with
reference to the Noble Lord's statement, and if he
desired to be understood as neither assenting to nor
dissenting from any part of that statement which re-
ferred to a transaction which all must deplore, and which
he was glad to hear, the Noble Lord, in common with
every one else, lamented. The transaction had led to an
amount of irritation not easy to describe, to a loss of
property and life, and to a deep injury to the feelings of
a large portion of the population. It had therefore been
made the subject of inquiry, and it was not for him to
anticipate what would be the result of that inquiry; but,
whatever it might be, it would be made known, and their
Lordships and the public would have the opportunity of
judging in what circumstances a transaction, which had led
to so unfortunate a result, had originated. All he would
now observe was, that it must be a matter of deep re-
gret to see a state of society in which, from no other
motive and with no other provocation than the recur-
rence of certain days, proceedings could take place
calculated to irritate the feelings of the population and
to lead to a loss of life, and that unexcused by any
preceding acts of a nature to excite the passions.--
(Hear, hear.) If there was no prospect of the cessation
of such transactions there could be no doubt that it would
be the duty of the Legislature to interpose for the pur-
pose of preventing them; but, in the absence of any Act
of Parliament for that object, it was quite clear, by the
common law of the land, and according to the most emi-
nent authorities in the law who had been consulted on
the subject, that the bringing into movement multitudes,
armed as it appeared in this instance, but, even when
un-
armed, in a mode calculated to excite the public
disturb-
ance, was iu itself illegal, and might be, and ought to ha,
prosecuted by the Government, by the magistrates, and
by all well-wishers to the peace of the community, so
that the offenders, for offenders they were, might be
brought to justice for endangering that peace, which
(far from their being anything in the peculiar circum-
stances of Ireland justifying any disturbance of it) there
were, on the contrary, circumstances in the state of Ire-
land inculcating peculiar caution on every rational, loyal,
and well-disposed subject of her Majesty to preserve.—
(Hear,
,hear.) Therefore the Government trusted, that,
through the contemplated inquiry, justice would inter-
fere to put an end to such proceedings as those which
had been alluded to.

Lord BROUGHAM did not wish to prolong this dis-
cussion, but he thought that the Noble Marquis had
taken a jedicinns cniirse in alwaining from aril exprpg-
bion oi opinioa pei,iiiiig the Con:emi-ie;ed 'l.,
explanation of the Nuble Lord behind him appeared fair
and sati6factury to him.
PROGRESS OF BILLS—VOTING BY PROXY.
The NOBLE and LEARNED LORD then called the
attention of the House to the necessity of adopting
some step for the purpose of providing that pub
lie Bills carried through Parliament should be ac-
curately and properly prepared. Ile suggested that
there should be some board for preparing Bills and for
exercising vigilance over the changes made in them
during their passage through Parliament. Unless the
author of a Bill happened to see what was done with it
during its passage through Parliament some mischief
might be effected which would uot be discovered until
after the Bill became law. Their Lordships had a
Committee to examine private Bills, and to
maintain a supervision over them during all their
stages; and, if that was a good practice in respect to pri-
vate Bills, it was by no means unnecessary in reference
to public Bills. The Noble and Learned Lord then
moved for a return of the number of cases in which
proxies had been called during the last 10 years, and
also of the number of the cases in which the votes by
proxy had reversed the decision of the Peers present, ob-
serving, at the same time, that he was not in favour of
the abolition of the privilege of the peerage to vote by
proxy.
Lord REDESDALE felt that it would be very de-
sirable if something could be done to make Bills more
perfect than on some occasions they were, but doubted
whether any practicable plan could be devised. With
regard to the other subject, he must say that the right of
calling for proxies had been used very hard this session.
He had been 20 years in the House, and during that
period, until within the last two years, there hail been
only two cases in which the decision of the House was
set aside by calling for proxies; and on both of these oc-
casions the majority in the House was only one; this
year it had been done three times, and once when the
majority to be got rid of was 14.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE thought that any
attempt to limit the right—to point out the class of ques-
tions which might be judged of by persons at a distance,
and upon which proxies should be admitted, would in-
volve inextricable difficulty.
Lord BROUGHAM remarked that judicial questions
had been already specified as matters in which proxies
must not be used.

Some conversation across the table followed, and

Lord REDESDALE was understood to say that if his

party had carried measures by proxies against such ma-
jorities as the Government bad thus defeated in this
session, he did not believe the right of voting by proxy
would have been allowed to continue.

The motion was agreed to.
Further correspondence relating to the affairs of Italy,
and other papers, were laid on the table by the Marquis
of Lansdowne.

The House adjourned, shortly after Seven o'clock, to
the next (this) day, at half. past two o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 31.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
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