The Sun.
London, England, 1813-03-18 00:00:00

MR. WHITBREAD'S MOTION..

Mr.,WftyrDREAD said, that when-, on a former
night, he proposed certain questions to the Noble
Lord opposite (Castlereagh), which questions had
been allowed to pass without- an answer, he then
stated what he wouldnow re-state, and what, be-
fore he sat' down, be would shew from internal
evidence" He had sour hopes that in the discus-,
sion which took place on the Friday preceding,
an end would be put to all the nauseous stories
and painful circumstances that so ling troubled
the public mind. He said then whit he now again
repeated, tkat fiom every thing vatieh fell from
the Noble Lord opposite (Castlereagh) , from every
thing which fell from 'Ministers on the'subject,
Iron, every word uttered by the Members ot that
House, who had spoke that; sentiments upon the

question, the impression upon his Mind, and lie
. belieired upon the minds of the public, wits. a ver-
dict of acquittal for her Royal Highness the Prin.-
ceSs of Wailes. It was possible that, front the
particular ?tile of the Noble Lord's elocution, he
might have misunderstood him ; be did, however,
suppose that-Noble Lord to have stated, that by
the Cabinet of .1807, her Royal
,Highness stood
completely acquittedeof the eh arge -broiaght against
her. He was informed the other night, that the
Noble LOrd, in what be stated, added a word which,
if it were at all used, certainly escaped his recollec-
tion. i he words said to be used, and arhiCh ,es,
eaped his recollection, were, that her Royal High-
ness was freed, in the mind. of that Cabinet, et•all
legal criminality. He did not remember to have
beard such words. On the night in which the
aubieet was
;tinder consideration ;before; it was
*aid, that no
.verAct.of guilt or acquittal had been
pkonouneed• by the House. No verdict was cer-
tainly pronounced by the House ; but that verdict
of acquittal was ,pronounced by the,Noble Lord
himself) that verdict was recorded in the Cabinet-
Minutes which had been read; which appeared to
Aim then, and did stilt, and Must ever appear to
him, a verdict of complete acquittalfi-Mn all charge,
-of criminality. NottVithstanding any family diffe-
rences that migh.t have existed, notwithstanding
the stories, nauseous and disgusting as; they were,
whiih had gone abroad upon the subjed; notwith-
standing any trifling occasion for dislike that might
have existed, he did hope and conceive, that Jsy
judicious advice to both parties,by wise and early
interference, an end would have been put, he was
certain, an end might have been put to circuit'-
stances so unpleasant to the persona more imme-
diately concerned. ~.1-/e thought the breach, such
as it Was, 'might, by snch interference, have been
So far healed as to prevent the disturbance of pub-
lic feeling. To questions which he put the other
night, lie understood the Noble Lord, to say., that
te would ahswer when this motion 1... as brought'
forward. He would now ask 'him, whether the
Persons whom he had stigniatited as perjured wit-
' besses, lied,. not been examined upon the same
Subject. atter this stigma was thrown Upon thern.
He WaSinforme'd by Sir Jobu'Doug:a3, that since
the 13th of February, the tune in which such lan-
guage was used; both he any Lady Douglas had
been examined as compez.ent Witnesses, and their
exaMinations• taken before a Magistrate. Sir :rob n
• declared that be was under spme infatuation frOm
this apparent cootradiction, not 'only thinking
tikt-ht.was believe,T in his former depositions, but,
that be .was to be examined He said that-
, be waited upon 'the Noble Lord (tastiereMh)',
and when the. Noble Lord said that he did' not
know. 6f.hisseaatbiblat ion. sir' J. replied, 4` if you
do not, the Lord Chancellor does." Was it then
a fact, that one part of the Cabinet knew nothing
of what was done by'another part? Did not the
right hand, know what was done by theleft I Could
Lord Eldon lend himself to an, exantination that•
was unknown 'to the rest of his Colleagues ?.Sir
J. Douglas said, that he' must have redress; that he
himself knew enicli .Mort—that Lady Douglass'
knew much more ithan they had yet disclosed.—
.When application was made fo hint to present the
petition, he informed Sir John Douglas that no
Member of the fibti*e of Commons would refuse
such an applicatiOn ; that it-was the duty pt every'
Member -to present
.any petition not epntaining
improper 'hatter, and he willingly undertook the
charge of,presenting it, more particularly when he
sv.aS informed that the investigation was notyet
asleep ; tbpt it was yet going otr, under the sane-
. tion of the Lord Chancellor of Englimil. When
, •
he discovered. this, be became -convinced that
some step must be taken in the business ;. that
it was utterly impossible it could be allowed to
continue in such a state um: longer. He knew
that advice had been giVen irom high legal tiothii-
• rity, for the prosecution of -her Royal High-
' -nesas accusers; and he still heard that examiiia-
tiona were going forward, that agents "were
tat work in every direction, that the same Soli-
eitOrs were eniplOyed, that in every corner where'
a scrap of intelligence could be gathered, in every
part of the metropolis, and its neighbourhood!, •
investigation was going fOrward. , This he 'heard,
this lie believed 'to be the fact. He woald ask
whether the Noble Lord opposite (Castlereagh),
err whether the Lord Chancellor, had any know- ,
ledge of, or any concerti in, these:investigations ?
If they ,were not condected withtheir knowledge,
' Were there then any secret advisers %of his Royal
Highness ? • Any7persons enkeoWn to his "
tern secret agency behind the throne that'
advised or conducted stisli investigations ? If that
were really the cat e, and' that the, Noble Lord or
hit colleagues were conscious of it, they were
bound in duty' to their country to declare it He
would now advert to Imue of 'the circumstances
which atZomptinied the publication of the docu-
ments by which the public feeling had been lately
sa emelt occupied. After the . lapse of .a.: week
the timethe Minute of Corincil bad been read
in the House, the same' depositions came Out in
taro Morning- Papers. The Morning Herald' wits
that to which he more particularly alluded. in
that Paper tvere published tke depositions of Sir
John and Lady Donglas:' To him it did appear,
he might however have been mistaken, but it did
appear to him, from the language used by the NO-
hie Lord (CuStlerh4ll) on a former night, that he
meant-to justify that publication by the complaint
he uttered of the garbled extracts that bad been
read in the House. In his Mied nothing, could
justity The publication was.alike
injurious to the public and the Royal Personage
to whom it referred. It could; not be justified by
the minute of evidence he (Mr. Whitbread) had'
read in the Hoassit. It was not a garbled extract.
It was a minute delivered to the person whose ac-
quittal wais tironotinced in it. He was accused
' with being the first_peCson who read in that House

Minute of Council. Such COnducts he *butt'
contend, seaer, parliamentary stud justifiable.
read the whOle,'of... the minute. 'The -Noble Lord
accused bini•aergarbling it. Neither was he the.
first person 'whoaead.it, The lion. Gentlemen
behind him (Kr: Johnstone)-hed the priority. It
any blame, therefore, could attach for the first
,reading, it belonged to that Hon. Getitleenlie
and if there was any-credit, he willingly roii ned.
it to him. This, laowever, was not the first time
in Which Minutes of Council and gurbleskixtraete
weere
.read. It was the origin of the Portholl
'Cabinet. At that tithe ,things were peblisho
'which could only come from the Minutes of the
Council Book. The letters of a Prote;tant were
at that time ascribed to, a period in friendship wish
the Noble Lord (,Castlereagh), He read the nti.
nute for the purpose of Shoving that it declared the
complete acquittal of , her Royal Highness, ant
that the preselit Cabinet disagreed upon that sehe ,
ject, with the persons in concurrence with whore.. •
, they formerly acted, vtith the persons who pub'
fished her innocence ;in that Minute, who were
her advisers and her defenders, and who at leugtb.,
after every effort that had been made against her
reputation, led her triumphantly into the pre-
sence of his Majesty., There was another Minute
which went as much as the one he. had read to
hove her innocenee. It was that in which her
oyal Highness desired that an apartment might
be allotted to her in the Royal residence, for the
greater convenience of attending the drawing,
rooms of the Queen. The Cabinet of that time
gave it as their opinion, that such an apartment
should be assigned to her,- but left it to his Ma-
jesty to determine. After ell this it was thong:lt
necessary, for what reason he would not proopst
to say, to publish the Morning Herald such do,
currents as appeared ealculated to criminate the
Princess of Wales. Whoever observed 'the crest
that was displayed upon that paper--...whoe er'
considered the character and circumstances of the
Reverend Gentleman who was the proprietor of
distinguished as a divine, well known l4y his
theologieal as well, as his- political productions;
raised to church dignities and to other honours
out of the usual course—whoever considered all.,
this, must naturally .conclude, than what appeared
_in that paper was - not disagreeable in a certain
quarter. The Princess of Wilk^ was' deelared by
two Cabinets to be innocent, o be completely ace
quitteel'Of the eherge brought against her, and in
consequence of this acquittal, it. was, thought nee
• ceslary to give again to the world those deposi-
' tions which were deelared to be a perjury. He .
'-did not mean to say that the Noble Lord detArell
them to be a pedury, but supposed him to have
made such 'a declaration. But after the publica-
tion of the Minute, which seeated to declare thein
a perjury, there came out upoo the world, all
• those nauseous and, dissgusting storks con.:
tamed in a volume which he then 110 by .bun,
and to which,. whatever. might. have been their
political hostility, he %A* sorry to see the name
of the Right Hon. Spencer rerceVal; andto per-
ceive, that the_presi7, in the printing thathook,
was corrected by him. That Right Itonattret!
Gentlentan told her Royttl Highness, that she
must submit to such ri publication, that it was ne-
-cesSary to her defence; but now when he was
dead, and when documents were read in that
House, ' that went to shield her against tie.t
hook, the book itself 'Was published,' not for the
purpose of. defence, as Mr. -Perccval intended,
but fin. the purpose of condemnation. Whet we:-
'man was ever so cruelly cirCurnstaneed lie was
not the Advocate of the Princess of Wales. He
did not bring forWersi his motion for that pur
pose. He walk the advocate of justice.' • •
the bounden, duty `.of, the Ifouseto cope to l
.
speedy decision upon the Subject. It should no
longer be allowed to remein in tincertaitity
eleven yerirS.had now elapsed since the come
thencernent of it, Mid it was not yet brought to a
decision. Her Royal Highness had always from
the beginning Celled • loudly for trial. lolSOti,
she' called for' trial. In 181,3, she threw herself
upon the-Prince,' declaring her innocence ; she
wrote a letter to that ;House, chtiining not pro!
tcction or forgiveness-, but claiming trial, anti.
disitvoWing guilt. Try me, says she, before
competent tribunal ; no, say you, before a tribe-
nal unknowteto the lawS.of the country ; tryolei .
Says she, before., my Peers ; no, say you, bot'be,
fore every alehouse throughout the country,, ti
subject for every fon!,tne, c,Fpcised, enprotectect,
undelended.—He clainied nothing for her Rori
Highness byway of mercy., but he called npreethc,
-House to bring the mutter to a crisis, and not ar4
low her longer to con;intie in such, a state of suf-
fering. lie' demanded nothitni but
Theie were' various mwles ot procteeditor by
which.the Howe nt'ight C1)111C to some decision.
if such .was not the case, he was misled hy the
Reprt of the Commissioner's. He thought this
conclusion
_might be come to by such an Addresl,
for the prosecution cif Sie soul Lady Dost,,
giro, as he had intended. Ishese
,persons Were
iu tire sauna state Of suspense as the Prinve,es her-
self. If they were innocent,. they were much in-
. ..
were guilty, they, should br' prt-
ni:laiecr?
(:,11.i f
difficulty
thiey witsy:
not hie against them. Ile was ineline,d therefOrt:
to desist from the,motion of ii7lrith he had giveit.

nonce, and to shape it son/ to get rid tech-
nical difficulty. T.ll justification to the Vrince.s,

he would state a circumstance of conduct against
which, if trite, the puica innocence could be Do
protection- It appeared that .the aeposition of
one, -of the witnesses against the Princess bad
been contradicted upon oath, and yvt an insinua-
tion was said to have been thrown out that 501
contradiction, even ,upon the oath of a respect-
able person, might not perhaps have been true. If
such was the case, what protection could there

• •
be for innocence •Wbere there was Such anxiety to
iii ' -,ch 1%,, the case, Aid it not he-
Ci) tilt t at a crisis 30 importailt, as fathers, as
in as Members'of that House, for the sake:.
tit the Government, for the sake of the constitute'
edatithol•i.ties, for the sake .of the, Princess her
, Self; did it not become • theM to stand up and de-
ciil: either her guilt or her innocence ? Could
any pet'son remain unsheeked •by the stories that
were' abroas? 'Could the -hiteselt be
. wish-ticked' fit'thenh; or' tiny branch of-;'thy:' • fa-
mily on the. Tiivone Could-,RovallY through-
Out:;•Flurope- undrocked .such sto-,
riesi•• •Neta7ithstanding the - acquittal of " the
Princess by tie,e'who bad examined the charges
against)ter;Thotwithstanding her hi.tving visited,
and been received by her Royal Father' Undo the
la t period Orbit, mental existence, 'there .rvere
persons•to whom the Princess might appear sus-
pected,. though in his :estimation very undeserv-
adly, v suffering with a part 'of' the
h- hoped every small part. He thought
it his duty to arrest the progress of such opinions,
and prevent any 'further teKposure. In 1795 the
• Princess of Brute -will-. mei married to the Prinee
of Wales. In twelve months after .she brought
forth diet daughter who teas the rightful hope of
the country. • There. was uo imputation -then up-
oh her character: in 179," that is. :in. fifteen
months 'after marriage, .the public saw her Se-
Tarated from her husband, arid it Wasibut justice
• to her to say, that in every thing which the public
could learn, there was not the least ground for
aecusation. It •'was true the Prince , said that
their' tempers did not agree, but from :the period
of separatiOn, for a considerable time, • calumny
bad not eve;,: breathed upon her. Separated from
the fimily to which she belonged by birth, and.in
a great measure from that to whit li she was joined
by matrimony, left Without a fiiend, .Vithout a
protector, without a guide:, a foreigner removed
from intercourse with those who might direct and
advise her, she yet cOriductO herself up to 1802;
jn such 'a inimitee as not to leave room fur
jug the slightest impropeiety. ' He would Ttate
what would be the case of n common.person who
hatlanarried foreigne6 end who for, very jtiSti,i-
able reasons had beenseparated from his wife. if
'this Wife,. after • a :separation- of some yeaes, had
been guilty of all that with, N. l!lich the PeinCess. of
Wales bad,, been charged, mid of all which he
sieved her to be itumeen't, and therefore.viShed the.
subject to be gone into.; but in the' case of a
cohimon persoe, it this Wife, aftee a namiber of
years, had been guilty, what would have been
• done? If it cooler be-said of the husband, that he
tad uhiformly-condueted•biroself with the great telt
propriety and decorum, bue had tint during that •
time afforded,his proteethei to hie Wife; if under
• 6 076 circumstancesl,c accused her of such niis
-theds as the Princess !ithir be'tn clorgeil with, ire
Would be told on carrying the cause into Court;
thathe ought to have acted with' a greater degree
of caution; tlitet this young foreignee ought'not tar
have been so: left to herself ; that the husband
ought to have- taken more care. But what was
the. cast. of a person in the situation of the Prite7.
Cets•of• Wales, depri read or the common amhse- •
Mentaof life, and Of the- solace. which nnrestrictH
intercourse with her child might iitforrl,%---What
Was her sititatihn,if that which Lady Douglas had
deposed 'was true, for,she had sworn -not only to
the statement which she' had repre:iepted the Prin-
cess to have made to her, and which was inere-
dile, but to her being pregnant in tht year.lßo2?
Why, according to the laws of Englaud, sho
must expiate her Offence with her blood. While
talking of blood, be would ask
.what might
. t hit he consequences of t credibility. of Lady
Douglas being ,eatablished; 'as, _from her' have •
trig recently been examined as a ' witness ,by
Ctiltallt) it seemed was- admitted by
the Lord Chancellor% What was. the conic:-
, finenee, if that Which she bail deposed were tree.,
t at the Pfiricei of \Vales had given birth, to a
male child i• Why if this were true, the PrineeSs
Charlotte-of Wales could have uo•• right to, the
Crovva, till it lout been proved that that child Was
• trie ofiSpriag of an ,adulterons intercourse.., Not
only the Princess of Wales,,but the• Princess ChM,-
lotte of Wales, the Prince Regent, the Throhe,
and the Country, were all interested in this ques-
tion, as Lady Douglas hove came forward and as-
serted herself to have been caliithniated, at the same
time doelariug ner readiness to re-swear what she
had lase depo,ed, and that before any tribunal eand
if her evideace• was taken in a Court of Jas.,
tire' she could not afterwards.be set aside as a,
witness not-to be credited. The Princess was ae—
etudd,oe, having in the year 1812 been guilty of
$ nth improprieties that she became 'pregnant, mid
gave birth to a male child. This was swortt to
by Lady DoUglas, In 1805 Lady Dpuglai made,
this deposition, relating to facts which she, al?
leg'eal to have taken place three years before, and
w orb, during. all that HMO it td 'kept
.8-aced.

ThC 0.1 of Wales, bad, at that time, in con,
of the representations mXtleto his ftoynl
thou ht it riht (aotk no one -could
titt h c is omi .
&Ict) to wake it comtiodoi-
coirm on the eatbitet. to his Miije6ty's confidential
The Sling waS then 'advised to appoint
a t:oanaission to inquilo into the eOnatict of the
Princiesi: -of Wales., persons namrtd in the
C oininisition to einulnr:.t his ittquir wee
Lora
skivx, Lord Lilenboroogh, 'Lord Grenville, and
Speneer, For the Noble Lord ek-
, pressed the highest respect, and:thought no, pet'-
sins could have been 'selectecrruore ,competent to
t le task, more honourable is med,,more acute
as biwyei,s, than the two I:),:iner, mote.,thstin,
gokhed for dispassionate reason and discrintinat-
tag sense than the two latter. ' In their report they
acquitted the PrinceSs of what she was ,charged
with by Sir John and Lady Douglas,.,but not
wholly of those set forth in ,the •evidenee,, given
by persons of the names of Wm, Cole, It. Bid-
good, ..grtnet.s Lloyd, and its. ;Eti,5114. e
deuce of thetif.pe'r3Ons, it was, stated; did not go
t t attach cr;tuinality to the Princess 'Ole did , tyt
ioiciertit wad to distioetion between erititinality„
sod what- imputed to hcr) 14tit they uccits‘d
bet of •wllat, in the sileiety in tiliich We 1:117.e;
Would, if tr,e, cOnstitute tt great erhrie- on the:
tuthoi the- Prhicess of Wales. Ott the I eStirnotty
of tyse foAr persinis, rt lticlt w,AS 110 W
,XOrks, 411 ct cowpiled
L
fur toe.' purpos,e of 'tott,tie,og the
teikeSS of Wales, the public here: now called

upon to`decide on her conduct, He had that
-bought a pamphlet which Was, porapoti:ly p
forth an published '' by authority, from the
giant neniuscripts -Ile had :lewd when
...buying it, " by what authority it was published,-
. and.- was answered, " by Royatuuth,ority: , IL
had asked ,some further questions, to whieh the
had only received evasive, unmeaning ituswers%.--:
'The publication of which he spoke- had a running
title, which set forth all with which the Princess
had been charged, assuming all to be true, that'
every one might proin sentence on the Prin-
cess of Wales. Ile knew not 'at whosc.instance
this was done, 'nor who'paid for it, but he
tended it would' have the effect of Misleading
many ; and this running title appeared, 'nOtionly
in the book, but in front: of the-house, where it
was sold, in large diameters.. He moreover oh--
served, that at the end of No. 1. of this,work,
there was a -note in ivlLicii it lyas,,obserVed., "1 hit
iu t he Appendix. to the-Report of the Connuis-
sioners; the Depositions of ?Sir. John and .Lady
Douglas stood first, but it had been thotight pro-
`per here to give priority to the other deposi-
tions, as these alone ..vere• connected, vtith the
Itesent cinestion." On the great. charges, the
evidence of the perjured witnesses ,was to
stand for nothing ;' but in the ev.idence by
the four persons he had mentioned, the Public,
were called upon drunk or sober tQ decide.—
Of these four witnesses, one Wits completely dis-
credited by the'oaths of respectable witnesses-.--
Frances Lloyd deposed that Dr. Mills had told
her, that he believed the Princess of Wales ti) be
pregaant. Dr. Mills was examined by a Nolike
Earl (whose incredulity on this point he could not
, but lament) and he positively swore that lie had'
said no such thing, upon which Frances Lloyd was,
again examined, and she ',then thought that she
might have made a mistake, (having sworn that
Dr; Mills had,said he believed the Princess was
'pregnant, She,might haVe .made allmistake !) and
she then 'swears it must. be his partner, Mr. Ed- ,
!facades, who told lierso.- Mr. Edrocades, on this,
was,Sent for, who also swore he had' not sstid'any
thing of the kind.Bitth,these Gentlemen had repel-
led the chur,se with it degree of spirit which did
them infinite honour; and satire nOt only that they.
had never used such words, but that they never
had suspected the princess to be pregnant, and:
that they.had always treated tire story altoglether
as the infamous lie of the day. Ile.,felt.
,surprised
.that the evidence of Lloyd, so disproved., should
still he regarded as entitled to any attention. There
was abother evidence which had made a gre,at
impression ou the pub is mind; and be hoped
'..hat he should hurt the :eelings of no one by
referring:to it,'as he felt it his duty to do so:—
The House would anticipate I.c s. meant, the 'evi-.
deneeof Mrs, Lisle. This witness, who was au
lady of high rank and character, had been about
the Princess of-Wales from the 'time of her ~first:
,airival in Enimid. down to—and he wished the
lion!--,e to Mark this—down to ;lie latter end off the
year 1812, during the whole of which time, tho'
-riot greatly in the confidence Of tint Princess, she
had been toast...ltaly about her, 'From ,'flut (icon-
sitlon.of Mrs: Lisle, an inference lad beers drawn
which ought nOt. to be drawn from it, acid he was
only surprised; not that Mr's.. Lisle had signed this'•
deposition, but that such a deposition 'had beets
drawn up for her to sign. A Gentleman on that
•morning had Coomniiiieated to him the exalt-dints :
tion of Mrs,, I4isk lie 5,1 r. ,knew 'not hoW
it was procured,. that NhS not for. him to„ inquire,
but he had been assured that it was correct, and
had been requested to,cimtrast it with the depo-
Sidon of Mrs. ,Lisle. Every person knew that
Mrs... Lisle, it the time. he Was. brought for Nerd
on this ores:Nit:in, was a person , it‘tfering under a
a great family I,4llietion, and was so inuchdistress- •
ed in her mind, .when called upon, that he had no
doubt, had it not oppem et! to tin Comm; zlion'that
datyhaperiously required them to proot;tvl without
delay, they would have postponed .the examina-
tion of Mrs, Lisle. I e wished to explain her de-
positiim, and in this case it Was inoSi desirable
that the public should pause belbre they decided
on the character it hi; cc. On this-he vvislied , the
public AO, suape id their judgment till the :moment
arrived at which they could properly decide. He
thenproceedeth to contrast the depositions with
the exaniinations, The part to which he parti-
ctilarly referred, was that where it was stated that
the Princess appeared to take greater pleasure iii
talking to Captain Maltby than to her ladies. She
beim% ed to him only' as any Woman who likes flirt
ing Sh,e. `,IIO Old not has c thought any married
'woman ~xoniti haVe behaved prbperly who shOuld
have beliaricit as her Royal llighness did' to Capt.
'Manhy. l cannot say whether Site was attached
to Captain Manhy, only, that 'it was a flirting
conduct. Never saw stay gailautrieS, as •kisS=
ing bey' timed, or the like. It then went: on
to Speak of Mr. Cilester, Mr.' t [hod, AC: 'The
evidence given by -Mrs. Lisle did rot, stypnrc
thedeposition. lle icis not Stir prised to find
.her
name to it,, afflicted as she Was' at that 'particular
thee, he could easily cor,oive intibrrectness„
when it toilet'. might. escape .her oh
,scrWatjoni but be Was quite surprised to find that
feinting questions Intil been put to' tier by the Lord
Chancellor- (Loyd Erskine) such ns' be would haves,
expired rather than have stifiered them to be pint iit
a Court of justice to a witness in the box, by the
party opposed to him in any cause which he might
have bad to conduct, One might suppoSe front'
the deposition, that--all it contaitted came- twat
-Mrs. Li as what she Firth:ill:* noticed.' It
might, he thou.Oit Whitt site deposed crime
spontaneously trout her but lon the; contrary, it
was obtained with difficulty and did not bear that
charamter which at first appeared to, belong to it.
was asked.---Q. Did Cantaiti ~smelly usually sit
next the Prineess tit Watts at dinner A. He did.
Nr3s ndthing rettlailiabil this, :When it
was knOwn how.the stattaii,..,:at had been nuitle.,
but frOlll reading the depositious it 'might, seem
that there was something out of the contittim wa,y,
in it, which Mrs.. Lisle had ntiticed its.sindh, The
Lord Cintncellor (Lord . Ei'skiiie) then asked,-
Onestion , Mrs. Lisle, can yon say you
were all sitting there just its we Are at present.
This isa.s' really ludicrous. How %vas Mrs, Lisle,.
to'answer such 'a wiestion, Whieh require! her to
state, whether at the Princess's they intd all been
seated e ti:ac t ,sr. as the. (....:OnnifissionerS 'tad Mrs.
~care; then at the table is As then asked
as to the conversation 'Which took plate. The

arii.Wert was, the she '!Auto Sly it Waz
Would Lord &Able IliVe:.sitircri,ql such questions
to he put in a Court cif Justice Lisle era:'
then ztriketl;"" Q. Wlnit, tii'e-PLincess" !and.
Copt., Manby sat apart.-?-••-=A. They did.' Tie
begged 'the House to attend to the next notable,
qUestion---"' What \do you suppO4e they talked
about ?"--Re would asE, was it fair that such
questions 'should beput :lhe answer to the last -
question was--A, '' did not listen to their con-
versation."---After this•the following 41v6Stion was.
put to her in these terms. Q. "
answer ine.as.a.Wowan of reason, character and
the world,, can you say before Cod and this COrn-
mittee, that the conduct of the rrincess,was such
as was proper 'for a married wCintan-l. He was
sorry to dwell on -this. subject,'.but•.,this was a
question wb pht town evidence in the.situatitin
it►‘vhich Mrs: L. stood at that time, roust make:
every-chord of, ,tier heart vibrate. e did not
doubt but it was with anguish and difficulty that
she bad been able to give an answer. Her answer,
which was given with much collected dignity,spoke
the feeling of her • heart... A: "-My Lord,. my
daughter lived well with her husband.- The
question was repeated by the Lord Chancellor,
." Whether the conduct- of the Princ:..ss was that -
,which beecame a marfied woman, with respect t.O
ber'coruhret to Captain :Hanby Loyd
borough then " I suppose you put the ques-
tion, whether line -conduct was such as became
any married .4-ornan ?" To thisquestion, no an-
swer. was given:- When asked- what she had
thought of the
.flirting of the Princessv she bad
answered that she thought her conduct improper.
He was sorry, .for the cause of justice, that this
inquiry had-been so conducted.. Mrs. Lisle. was
then asked----`"Q. But, Mrs.'Lisle, did:you never
think what could be the reason of tilt!: Princess's

preferring the Conversation of Captain Manby."
A. She war; &W Ays free and condescending to
every !May."'
," Q. That was not My question.. You
say,' e Princess preferred the conversation of Capt.
ThiS was admitted by Mrs Lisle, and it WaS
not unlikely that-sothething breaking in on Royalty,
or radar the mock. Royalty, 'should Make the
Princess prefer the conversation'.of a gentleman
who Was .new to her, . to that uf her ladies.----Y.ct
for this an imputation was cast on her oharacter.
Let them loop at home, those ,who had wives and
.daughters,..and let those who had not, took at
their sisters, ant! say, whether, if such imputations
were broUght loimvurd' against them they .vould
not repel them with scorn, or prosecute those with
Whom they ori4inated. .The -examimAtion' then
pioceeded, and trout Captain Manby they, 'went
to Mr. Hood,' and the following important
gullies were made Dia the Princess ride
out with Mr. Hood Q. in what carriage ?
Did Mr. hood drive Whose servant attended

,
limn'?" and. the .answer to this last •ques,tion was
"Mr. Hood's servant." Th44n canto this notable
~c.inestiOn—" Was Mr, I-leod's servant ,a mica or a
boy 'i" For What pin-pose could these
.questions
• ;be: put, and 'was- it fair *ti 3t a viitne,ss should ,he
thin interrogated'? He glow came to that part of
Abe deposition Vi hiidi spoke -,0f.,'..V.fr.... Cheste'r, the
Princess- having been taken -from ,Capt. Munuby to
Mr. -Hood mud front Al-. Hood. to i\ir.,-Chertter.
• INlrs. Li Pc was represented to have said, that
Mr. Chester 4 as ft pretty man.„ ~T,he inferenee at-
tempted to be drawn from this.waS , too. ludicrous,
to lit, serious, if it were not unhappily .too,serhans
to ,be Indierous. Mrs. Lisle w:1, asked, " Mr.
Chester is a Very bandSotne Man, is he not 7...'!.. The
all6Wcr given was,;" He is a .very pretty man.--
It ‘vas disgusting to go oil with The o:aiu,illatious,
but he felt it tti be mecesiary. The Lord Chan-
cellor asked *Mrs.Lisle the following quiestiOn,
" Have ypu any recoll:.Ttion of the. PrineeSs get-
!hut up in the night, and going into ivuther room
, 16t` her tic ht ?; 'Mrs. LiSle said, ',I have. .Ad
to ,the question, a fine.-que,niou. to .bc put ,luy' two
lawyer,: ! ‘, Why did the Prince.o.; . get, np in the
nigla i" The answer Was, '4 I. heard her Royal
Highness sw!„, she was ill; • soil- that her own light
going'tint,, She re,lighted her candle. •in the ser-,,
vaut,'s room." . :This, as stated in. the exlumina-
tion, wore-quite a different complexion from that
'which it had in the deposition. . Was it' lint .cicar
that
,the . Priltet;SS, like every other' person, was
. likely to be ill ; • and was there, in,- fairness, . the.
' ,slightest scintilla of guilt to be inferred 'from this
answer ? They no w came- to Captain
.11 atire.; trot
Coitent with. Captain ManhY, Mr. I-, i'uod,. and.
Mr. Chester, Captain Moore must be, brought io.
Here 'it was' asked.---Lbiti- he dine there i. Ile
did' And ~subsequently, was she (Mrs.. Lido)
in the room at the time he, Captain Moore,
W:IS Wit() the Princess ? The answer was no ;,,Ise
had left the room twice. How long- was she
abSeilt, was then asked. This, he thought, seem-
.ed like 'throwing an imputationpu Mrs. Lisle, atilt'
She heir g aware`of . something wrong; had •gone
.
purposely out of the way.: She
„stated het,-
- • •"

;eft' to. have been 'tibsent: hid an !tout out of

the toom and. this she ,ueeotthtect, for natur-
ally, enough, by' statinff, that she had been
'looking-for a volume to Complete a Set of books,
Willa the :Princess 'was abOut• to lend to. Cap-
tain Wore.. She further stated, that the Prin-
cess had•given him an inklhorn ; And when asked
hoW hitehe,stayed, she atiswer.ed that 'he Went
before the tadies.' elute Ir. • Law-
rence ; but he thought he , had gone, far enough
With this. 'Let the notes be examined corn-••
• pai'ed with the depsition, and the former corn
ph ely took the sting out of the °hitter. Of, the
four witnesses then, Frances,Lloyd Was proved to.
have perjured her,ell; the evidence of tfrs. Lisle
proved pothingAgilidq, Itr, anc} the evidende of
Cole, and BidgOod must he Subsuintiatedhefore he
could sligistOst‘ inwutation nu ht to be
east on the conduct octhe Pt incess. .I:Tie then de-
-scribed her Fe,;crit situac'on. She lu.,;(1 .he,n
eleven year.i under this persecution-; hip c::11 ~d it
pei!secntion, for' if she were guiltv, ttfose Who
it in their pOwer to, make cowl the Cbarge..s pre-
ferretlinpunst her, did a t justice to ,Let nor,t6
the. Country in withholding them so .long. She
had, during the period he had ritentioued, been
, the situations delerihed in lie f letter, exposed to
charges -of . friends turned enemie3,--of servants
-who seemed traitor:: 'and-
'bpiraey, of s.>e ha anti dorne9tie treason ; she could
-look to 11,-• security for her ;l,-~:tour', but to the
'PriaciPle of justice which reonstwlttyacttikelthe
conduct hii.Maj'es!v. All 'the 'talent of the
land had been combined to itiquirejnto her e.'.nt-

. .
tt,,attJ 'site,iimi be,,:ii bikeii hy sarpris! with
an tidri-er; . Old .haa only been' sestainei by bet
Own native Colliag,Ni-bic,ii he tirally lieliev.:(l,4,
-only be s-upported by conscious l,1:loccil
He then took a .view of the sitaitioa in 4icll WI
Charlotte.PrincesS .
She
1; act st t) ofl
had
hail.r ith,.t.nepienuttiitn(i' it: o'er, ti'trancii
charge had been given .by the King', tnul'lesliii
declaration in writing, that. it was his lloYA''.l,`.;
and pleasure, that'the Pr.:aces-1 giarleite P,..1!,19:
not be eonfitmed till-She had coniletea lieregv.:
icniciacittitigietilk:l .tet'li.:iiiritt.i: ::::,rl,le!t!,!al;6aidsli';'o,ll3i;l:'-il.sf'erecti.natcecile.t:'''!itYPi '
1
and. 1807, during' the whole pleBttli(4)d) oirlii-;;,..-i',. ::,
tigation, and subseqifently tlowil to ISltYi°.(l,
restriction was given.-. .-4hopt th.it ,five"r.:
hints had been_thrown. (jut on ..tlu! su,bitt.t.t.,,
^str;ezions,_ am! - these were conialcted- iifilleiTn:
autumn. A letter writteii on tl,e :;tibiotigi,
Billet!" Regent, had been twiee reurne,,,i4;
ortelled, ,and-at last returned with the „coy,
austere answer, the' Pribce Ri!..,,elit'layi I:ifri.,
111 '. 1U to give on the- sabjcct. ' "rh'isffl'i,tAt.
cilllleltil.teilsiltli, tsl::.ll4lli.s.'ittlh::';'lllettila‘:t: i'7,etellt:''es:Cf)i.(;'.ii:ialbitrn .iii.'llitgi.tsietirligeiebii'i:iize:atids:
object i(i).(l)ll.;obeurtiyt,os,.efililet at(.l7')l itelii.cs' :(1),:f
i'
ntigle,
,1?;e.'t1it,,i,44
.lect, autl. :from being - the tulvisza. °l,:,,..iitti
pasf;.ages ill that letter, .- which h,..;,',A.--;
by Mr. Pereeval; :he ceitainly .sliutilj'i":tdril
The Noble Lord (Lord, Qirstlercii,ll4 ‘,ll'o'.i,y..c-ii
ln'a former debate, that.the letter of 1"‘4,00,71,e'
was returned-in consequence of a priv'ei.",a 4011
went, which, it was very well knovoi "to, b
Made when the Prince-and ...Princess Seetli.,lo6l
the Prince
was' 't:oettittlievdiseill.isti,t his Itor',l, jtti,Pe
should hold no intei.cotirse with her, At 40,01110.
_of a private Gentleman, tindielii.stlilieecsiaslit°cltil)..iYl:"
King. .Thea , if aciy thing improper well :j'ecbii
eil with the.Prinee6s.Cha'aotte, wit° "ls(i)iiiitl'
of the State, the King cOuld interfere, 01 051.4. J
the reins ot-Gbyerinutnit,-, he was.surri,"`,,Ood
a
that a
,priv4eat'rangement was to stand',
~A 1
a%t.r.'i%lei,i.isiii,°lce,intirtil:tenes4'°'Ciirseetest'resdtl'itiri)fitf.oleliwisslt.:9ll:ll:Puietvia''''lts'l:ll.::ll)llellteldieliis::teilbill:bere:ll:l.ol:;lll'-iel!
which -everystiblect had, that of Petiti°;ll.lr 01'
Sovereign. l'here,vast- no. offence i°;.',:,,,51,,
publication of that. letter which calle.."-efftb '
ceedlngs to be set on foot. On the I'2° yi eIS
ti)iti.:leray. ts,t(btiulai id: to
.itlat
klwteen:st eB2'-:SeeiX:11:1:::111bril°111111CCISIIC:ICee.:(111lie):114i:1:1C11: el:1:11(ri.31;if::i.j;.:::15:(1t:
C1,:sk),(1110::b(i)ef ::: etsbeie,
iiixellet)te:ll nati o it i ? fie vi,e-telic;,
Noblet,. Lord (Caatlereugh), did. not,.. but ".,,,,1' rd ~
out 'his knowledge. ' li..'ai)-gn:d3lNlitiThe:ll..C.:::l:ti°:ll:7*-'11:11'rIii
It, ~. (1 ) e t e .',
if critninAlitr had been traced ° ~-„l'ifrito.
eels'; her intercourse with lter:deililtte!''it_ollit'.
been intertiketedeltegt-;ther. ..11ThYq,b,%,"'114e '
it was ele?..r there was no erimitunit,ootir
saht; if t h.: Princess bad. not been s°,,',ll,le*te ..-''
the r;:.,!trictious which ha.tl-been.thoug," cot,
v°111(1 only. have litste.4 tilt the' Princeis
~,„
C3llle to town. .Why, if, so,. the PrititriHort,?,), 1
1
have been soothed, by au answer statill,.)eip'
!„ta,,iiing'"lsO what tad liesit.the %visli,..°.ll.oq -
the . '
spirit
'lp°l.llliiclll;tEri;el
(rut:ifti:tn(oPelsitneetlltittl;ittli(ll°letsrtilol.'elneel;en.y.:l°tlsni'l--:get:;:g'bsl::ritel:ieliililtsleii illtia.ti:C7:l':t:
crtncess appea'red t,, kiln . actuate(' by . 40'
).C"t. °ettoian, and he had , hoped the lftbos,V
ueen.arrived‘vltetithese differences foil.S"en ft
the result of what passeltile.iinr‘'ktliffirl4.°s2::es,,,,(l°l:cttliltic:i
put at rest fpr ,exer. _ Ile . bad . vvtlitrr,
Which he bad thought,: sent 'from '
the
the Prince; ini lit -.insure a 166(110300. I,
House ti4iiik. lie trespassed too ulna) (n). '
if he read the substance of that tel r.
read
,i the letter,. Which Was neorly in (i II
I once ino,te am 'encouraged t° liti'lt
ps:lll%,le%vlll,clltii:jettltigi:ll;iii.ay,ilitti
i•itiletiiide...soti 4,,..i:isl:sttici,
itg:ii)is tinejittcy:iti,)Lli,ietititel,td:::::t.s.t,''i9iei.x,i:a.ner:cei_rfo,lsj;iyrpl:'i-t't.‘njit'bbi:taeeleteeilb:NcNil.:sttlier:i'otititi,el(itriljik):itf,'iin:bS:iste:st.":):'i.r;),lCij,bu':eitl:_ite,,t,idtleibtieliil:')
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Wrlidi, after..nOficingthe receiPt of tit.e';',l-1
mans. ' The•.-ItUra Chancellor lota 1.,`,.c ,
letter ; -but the
.Spertker of the, 11°.iliiiitt
°ions had announced to the House
'
t
received*, and -read it, toltor.grF"
lirplace,--chicleuence Of this, certain pr''„l"
taken place,--liplace,--chiclebad terininated
acquittal., It went on, c` Al ,1".,e4
ittlaress•yott, ;relieved front a 10a° u/ i
le ti confident in my .innootince, n°w" t
been. publicly acquitted, and aill,Or '
tingilished titled: hear. The liing:l`l,
&Ire sacred, and I ain satisfied ircie°i,
.catisc why the confirmation of "IY.,,ii,
been tielityo. To the restrietioo
tlionght necessary. in my intereti"lile
submit ; but I throw myself ,on .
your Ila,yal Highness not to ahritl4tl
is nceessiiry, tily.greatcst,. ( . 10,
my nay ph'
of being with the i'riffeess .Char ti
Royal flightless May be sssiired, ilia
..v
Of her society is lett to rne; I shall, t
Inlvf: been,' most careftil to 'ft` k°-'vii
able. I will not trespass longer'
at' ~
Highness, but in the tiapPY fe.°li"g Ito
imcv'nee, I retnain, &e. This le.treT,iit,
ed. eagerly; at the time the ti‘n;:',liie
titlls,-.l:e:"tiieh!:aiirk„l 'agji.itotteic:le)ip
Dibeettt,eilitii,:iav-:,si
tit.iiiit,eilitii.il.r. to
ttl!:ostii11e1.::::,0_,.
to setid :if to the PO nee Itege'at? . 11,0..
ts 34. ' • t;:. a tlit► 'I,
by the Lord Chancellor, ‘lll° 3 Ti eto.--
him .to be a.credilile WitnesA, ,‘'•'..l,'-;.,
tllis,. 'and of the effot'tit: 1.1141.. ~..2.0.4,.
eititlenceat I)over,anit.othe..,i. ii,:t.a"4ll,
eel !ter --design., He bad tltol,i,.diks,
might -have. been ati0..,,et.,,,,1) '-j,ir 1.,
rttiql -0;
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