The Sun.
London, England, 1813-04-08 00:00:00

FIN.INCE

The CHANCELLOft of the EXCflEaUgg MOVCd
the Order of 'Use Day for the third reading of the
NAtional Deht .

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Mr. H. Tnonwrotz rose, and was going into
observations upon some verbal inaetutraciesin the
preamble, When • • •
SrEAKER informed the Honourable Gerr
tleman, that the question now was, whether the
'Bill should .be read a . third time ? if that were
agreed to, it wonld then be proper to move any
verbal aniendnient,
,Mr. H. THORNTot4 desisted from his verbal cri-
ticism, and offered a few 'words on the principle of
the Bill. Though the present thcastrre relieved
the public f.om immediate burrhens, it,would rt!.
tlird the payment of the National Debt. Ir this
point of view, he•contended, it was in vain to re-
present it as. so.beileficial as its advocates pretend-
ed. it went to change system of the Sinking
Fria, and to place all the public debt up to this date
Oil it new footingthe maximum.... of 45 years,
whien in his opinion was too extended a period to
be advantageous to Ow country. He considered
the means to extinguish the Ntitionil Debt, even
by, the Sinking Fund, to he inadequate to the pur-
poSt,. ;nerervai in the time of Mir was in -
6rii• greater than the redemption in'the time of
pc..,ce, -anti therefore there ought to be no inter-
f,roa,2,.: with an operation already too
11‘.: was a!so atvanl that this would amid a preee-
ticit for the-applleation hereafter of every thing
that eras available to the :service, of the year.

!•;ir li. PinsiEt.t. w.;18 Of Opi It ion., that the four
of taxation saved by the present plan would
aksicat the 27 ;Tears operation of the Sinking Fund,.
which had elap,:,ed by. the increase Of loans at in-
ereased ietereit. lie argued, that instead of four
yeors it would not be of 'rise above two years and a
ball, when the nation must suffer an immense
augmentation of taxes. Instead of so imp
thietive a 'scheme, be veconituended radical re-
trenchthent, ..which would have as salutary ef-
fects without being injurious to public credit.
The CHANCELLOR of the ExcneSit/ea, as it tip-
penre4L to be the intention of Gentlemen rather
to. protest ngaiiist faun: Acts, on this measure,
than to oppose it now, would confine himself to a
very few observations. Reference bad been made -
to iris lion. Friend (Mi .',1111Ski8S011) as if he had ,
contested 'the accuracy of his (Mr. Yansittart's)
statements. Now, the reverse was.the fact, his
Hon. Friend' bad endeavoured to explain away,
and to draw di:feet:lit conclusions from his facts,,
but he had not denied the accuracy of a single
.figure- in the.tables upon which the measure watt
founded. But an Ilon. Baronet (Parnell) doubt,
ed their accuracy.--,(4 cry of No !)--Then
statements were justified. He 'agreed that if the.
annual cunt to be raised exceeded 18 millions, the
-advantages ofthe new plan void] beitiiminished;
but as tor the remark that practical retrenchment
%vein effect the objects It would accomplish, as
the Hon. Baronet. :had stated it,' he would be
-obliged to him to point out the ttntirtes, as all that
Gm eminent wished was to be informed how the
charges on the public coeld be avoided, or how
any economy consistent %van vigour in operation
vould be adopted Notiit'ng could he. more
viceahle. Nothing would be received with
greater thanlifahicts by Oein than such informa-
tion. The Right lion. tientletuan then di-trended
the preemble of the front the objection urged
by Mr. 11. Thorntott,, and asserted that the 'nen-
sure did all it was descrititil as performing by that
preamble. He also spoke in• favour of lining the
maximum of paylneut of the Public Debt at -15
years. At the time Mr. Pitt came into i)o,';ver,
the debts contracted by William 111. the debts (5f
'the revolution, were unpaid. Now we were pay-
i I the debts contreeted in the 30th of-George
Arid wAs this no advantage to tie public creditor,
'to ktio'Y to a certainty the utmost time in which
is b:tim would he extinguished ? With respect
refer.toce to -11.1 r. Pitt's measures, lie liad-
(kin& so to fihew that by the present plan the,
cicioary would,reap all the advantage originally:
1,1 o;ilsed, and-the gri.at benefit ha ide of the; ap-
ation of- a great fitnd t6'present, exigencies.--
iL expre.;,;ed his surpr'se at the fthik-'etiolli of the
II- on.stica tietnan (Mr.' ThOrnfon), and at his
ti :liking that enough-had not been none to se:
the redemption of the National Debt. This
tobiectioti dirt not indeed go a5-It
° iost the present
'scheme, but- against the €rrea't 'hicks' are of Mr.'
.kitt—it went to say, that Mr, Pitt bad tint done

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enough in 17815, when all the world thought he
had done too much.

Mr. C. GRAST rcquirel an explanation of the
third tabli: i$ the catculatious, the note attached
to ‘vhich. he thought, calculated to couvey ;'also
impresSions. He professed himself hostile;to the
plan, as one which would not redeem the national
debt, save the country from loans, or ultimately
relieve 'the ,nation from the burthens ohaxatiow.
The merit of the Sinking Fund was, that after a
prolonged operation, its etlects would benecele.
rated, and this, he contended, the present kneaL
sure Wolild destroy.
:The Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Mr. J. P.
Grant mutually explained.
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:The 1),;11 was then read a third, time, and
passed.
lnYmouni PETITION.

Mr. MACDONALD preatilt.CCl a Petitionifrom
Inhabitants of Weymouth sod Meleombe Regis,
which was brought up, and ordered t'Ol)e'
stibstance was, that the Petitioners seeing that,
the measures about to be adopted .by the House
Ll for the prevention of abuses at ectiGns for Wey7
mouth, instead of removing, would ouly serve to
strengthen abuses which alre•Ady evh.;;.e.d.
the Prtitiotiek-swere convinced that ,the only
effectual way to,,yemove these abuscs was to
tend the writ, .and to eoulirm to the real Free-
bol era the elective franchise. They therefore
prayed to he heardby Cminsel at the Pcir Of the
House, and to have witnesss exami::ed
the truth o( certain abuses which !bey alleges
were in•exisfeuce.—This PetitiOn rya; then. or-
dered ,to lie on the table:
Mr. MACDONALD was doubtful ‘vh,ether he
ought to- propose that the Petitioners sbotild he.
heard by Counsel at the Bar, or that the'Petition
should be taken 'into cOnsiieration. ThinkiNg
that the latter would be the most expedient course.
to propose, he moved; " Th4r a select Com,
mittee should be appointed to take tile Petition
into con,ideratiOn."

Mr. 11VrHURST observed, that the Petition was
founded upon a misapprehension 'of the measures
which the LlOnse was about to adopt on flit sub-
ject of the Weymouth' Election. *.The Special
Committee which had been appointed, haul stated
one abuse which they.had found to sexist ; and
this abuse Was'notone Which could be remedied
by any part of the Act of King William, touching
the splitting of votes, the House had been called
upon to legislate on the subject. The Pet tioneri,
however, h,td taken one single footing on which
(hey considered the splitting of votes, and thought
that after the Bill should pass, the Borough would
be,in precisely the same situation in which it was; -
with the single exception that the modern device,
of splitting votes by Will would be removed. On
the whole, he could .not see; that any good- would
result froi» complying with the prayer of the Peti- •
tion. He Should rather feel Inane& to propose
that the House should again resolve: io.ejf into a:
Committec,on the Bill. •

Mr. ABEabkomamthought that titclu.bject
.was
one of great difficulty io every way that it could
be viewed k but its. thi: .choice of evils, it certainly
behoved them tb consider what was likely to be •
•the result of complying with the'pl'ayer of the pe-
tition *lle would wish to know whether, if the
Tian passed, it would not make Weymouth one of '
the elo.,:st horoughs.inthe kin,;dir4 Was there
any technicality to pi:event the I lotis.e Pont bearing
the petitioners give their teasous at: the Bar for
thinking, that it the passed in its 'present
shape, it would make Weyomuth one of the closest
places in the kingdom 2 Coin non reciair.
IA that, the petitioners Ibbuld be beard ; for if
the Bill to that:Abet was not carried,. it would
of necessity oblige every man in the country to
become an advocate for Parliamentary Re-
forni.. Ott these Krounds the motion had his cur-
-.
dial-sutra. .
Mr. rETFIE4ALL, thought that the tnotion-called
upon the genie to rescind it'dOuble -vote. Ile
was Obliged to assume, that the allegationkin th.e
Petition were groundless, because the COminittec
appointed to try the merits of the election, and
which .of course inquired,into all the abuses, had
not mentioned any such frauds us those complain-
ed .of by the Petitioners. A .Committee on the
Petition, instead of elucidating the subject, wiahld
only tend to involve it in obseurity, and Irthe
House could agree to such a motion, it, would
shoW that there was indeed a necessity for Pat-
,liatutmtary Reform, What evidence: did the
House want-to enable it to extend the provisions
of the, Act Of King William for the prevention of
the frandident splitting of votes ky will ? He
found *himself called upon to oppose the motion. '
I`,4' r, spike in favour of the Motion.

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Mr. Serjeaut BEST thought, that if the House
could not decide iipon the subject without the as,
sistance of the inhabitants of IVeyinoutit, it
.was
not Competent to decide at all; he Would there-
fore oppose: the motion.:

Mr...ALlerrtolt ATtuNsthottght that the report
of the Cocnutittee was sometent.

:Air. W.:WYNNE supported the• Motion.'
Sit,3. NEWPORT thought that the Muse ought
'not to confine itself to what had been mentioned
14 the Committee.
Serjeatit REST explained'.
After a low remarks ftoui Mt. Viirottesty;. Lord
A. Hamilton, ankt I.llr. D. Giddy,,

Bir S. Itomii.a.v said, that in bis.opinion every
thing Which had been offered fr:nri the. oppoica.
side, received sidlicieut .Auswers. Petitions should
be attttiatit to, particularly When they respected.
the rights of :Electors. The title and principle of
the Bill7were quite at variance. The first wah '0016414'; the other .respected' the. whole COOLI-
try., The Petition
_stated, that, an :improper. in-
fluence was exercised, and .complained Of other
abuses ; the 'House,: by not listening to,,the„Pe-
tition, must. emnise io.no. favourable con-
struction. -
The SOLICITOR-GENEP AL did not think' thidthe
House rm.) the. risk of- losing its. chlracter npitin
the present occasion. it was trite the title ot'the
waA-partieular, but it could not be-altered in
its present stage. If the Petitioners--demndCd.a,-,
lhrger share iii-the-elective franchise.," Woultr th&,
:House' listen to' suelfildeinand intention'
the Bill Vas not. to, transfer the predottiithint,
interest from, Ai to 13. The Bill only went to

„a luomAs woo)), of No. 112, Strand; and I)%lWisht,
11, No 112, Strand, wlieraddrortitenients, Orden( b

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prevent gross friind, and thedinegal splitting of
property.
Mr. PoNsownv thought the interpretation by
the public would;be, that the 'vas meant to
aid a particular interest. The Caunnitt. onlx
reported upon one of t' e alut,es ; aild W no ‘y
argued,: that thec.shohld tale uo notice of the
oth'ers. The zl-louse was not ob!i.,,et! to submit
to a Councittee any thing but the in,...rits Oi the.„
election 'votes—not their ow privileges. Dell
Voter should be heard when he complained 'Of
abuse. It this motion was refused, he should feel
it his duty to move for a Committee for the heat-
.
ing of the Petition.

Lord CASTLEREAGH said he woitld give :t Rega-
tjye to both motions. It was not true that the
was intended to favour a particular interest.
There was no iiutirect view in t!!e, hill; 'it went
upon.a general principle. The ground upon which
the hill went, was the only fair, open, and .cOmti-
tution...l ground.
The liouSe then divided—
For the moti,n .
Azi;=tiit it 10.2

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On being re-admitted to the gallery, Mr. B •
Bathurst was Upon his legs, expressing a wish that
the report of the Weymouth -Bill should be re-
ceived to-morrow.

. Tlie House then went into a Comaiittee on the

Atter a long discassion in the Committee, the
Howe resnm:d, and C .I't at the Bill was or-
, derel to be rereiveil d

House tvll.ll.f-pa.st one o'clock.

FRIA Tut; Lc) 10N rIAZETIT, Apftm 6. '

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April 24.. C. W, H. Huffirin,.• •Liinehouse, ship-
chandlers, at tile.
April '24. J. tiforlvill and 1. ThurstOn, Catherine-street, up-
hokterers, at• ten.
May ';;. .1. Ketcher,Soutliminster, Essex, farmer, at ten.
'ay 1. W. Nlullen.4, Cheam, Surrey, builder, at one.
April 18. 3. •flarvey, Ilecch-titreet, bai.er, at one.'
April 24. •W. G. Fairinla, MI Change, warelioli,,man,•at 1.
Lundoa 4,0 J. Childs, Bit spirit-nser-
chants, at one.
May 4. U. Elliott, Kent-road,' Surrey, grocer, at twelve.
May E. Dodd, Doek-heitd, Bermondsey, tallow-chandler,
at twelve.
April 24. .1. Malawi*, City Clustubcr,i, Bisbopsgme-street,
• merchant, at ter.
May .1. Paice, i.h'i'lge-street, Lambeth, tea-dealer, at ten. •
May I. .1. O'llrien unit T. 3. Lynch, Dio.onshitry-s*quarc, Irish
lima-merchants, at eleven. • •
May i. O.idderininster, grocer; at eleven.
111.,, .1, Ellis, Swinton-Street, dray's-lam-lane, scavenger,
ar .
• •
April :"."7. U. Thompson, Liverpool, bookseller, at one, at the
..1! Peter Ti'oods, Brunswick-street, Liverpool.
•i. ilartou, Durham, •sbip-insurance-broker, at
• t:iveir, at the I.;tildert Lion Inn, South. Shields. '
Mar 4. Plymouth, Devon, bailder,at'elevene at the
• King'., lim, Plymouth.
April. 29. 4rirris, late.of• Carmarthen, innkeeper, at. ,ele-
veil, at the Waite Lion Inn, Carmarthen.
• Apri I sen. Nottinrhani, cotton-spinier, at'
itt the Punch Bowl, Nottingham. • .
April '29. 3. liots, Walfield; Cheshire, eorn,dealer, at
eleven, at the I•ltitel,.Maccle.stield, Cheshire. •,:
Aiwa 30. D. I.!rw, sen. Manchester, commou-Orewer, at ele•
veil, at the Wbite Dear Inn, Manchester.
April-29. S. Martin, juts. and W. Martin, Loughburoughs
LvicesteiShire,. grocers, at twelve, at the Ancimr
Louglihbrough.
cERTIFicATEs.—AraIL 27.
J, Nonde; late of•Narrow,Wall, Lambeth, SM.:. :1.
P.. Morteir,.l4l4 of Oxford-str.;.attgroe er..
I'. Wr:ght-, Lincolusliire.,•druggist.
AbrahalL Nohle-stern, inerChaiit, •
T. Barry, witieaiitlblandymeichant.
3. Witilpory, rleet-street, hnottitatter• •••
A. Wrb W intim cnc-M inst er,‘ Dorsetshire, mtiltster.
late of 016'ne-taus, verdigris-manufac-
turer,
•
A. V. • Wa;eninge, late of Globe-lane, Mile-end;. verdigris-
. manufacturers.
Nalton, Ledbury, llerefordshire, inn-holder.
T. Hague, late of New-court, St. Switliints4ane, money-
. scrivener. . . .
3. AVoml, Ilrighthelmstotti, plintiber.
It. Maye, Sloatieltreet, Chelsea; •earpener.