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London, England, 1836-08-12 00:00:00

HOUSE OF LORDS, Auausr 11.
THE LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wo
sack at the usual hour.
STANNARIES COURTS BILL.

Lord ABINGER presented a petition against the
Starnaries Courts Bill.
MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS—STAMP

DUTY (NEWSPAPER) BILL.

The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER and others
brought up the Stamp Duty Newspaper Bill.
Mr. BERNAL and others brought up the Slave Owners'
Compensation Bill, and the Exchequer Offices (Ireland)
Bill.

The Assessed Taxes Bill, the Court of Session (Scot-
land) Bill, and the Gold and Silver Plate (Scotland) Bill,
were read a third time and passed.
NEWSPAPER STAMPS.

Lord MELBOURNE inquired if the Newspaper Stamp
Bill was on the table, and being answered in the affirma-
tive, the Noble Lord held it up, and addressing Lord
Lyndhurst, who was on the opposite side of the table, ex-
claimed, " Here's a Bill to your Lordship's taste !"
(Much laughter.)
Lord LYNDHURST—Is it decidedly according to
our arrangement
Lord MELBOURNE—You had better ascertain that.
I beg to give notice that to-morrow I shall move the sus-
pension of the Standing Orders with respect to this Bill.
Lord LYNDHURsT—Does the Noble Lord mean to
postpone his motion for suspending the Standing Orders
till to-morrow ?

Lord MELBOURNE—I have , given notice to that
effect. I may as well state here that there is no alteration
in the Bill, but the omission of the two clauses which were
rejected by your Lordships.
The Bill was then react a first time.

Lord FITZGERTALD —presented a petition from Dub-
lin, against a Bill brought in during the present Session, to
repeal the Act lately passed for regulating the sale of spirits
in Ireland.

Lord DUNCANNON said the Bill was not to come
into operation till October, 1837.
CHURCH TEMPORALITIES (IRELAND) BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, understanding there
was no objection to the principle of the Bill, would now
move the second reading of the Church Temporalities (Ire-
land) Bill, and would fix the Committee for to-morrow.
Lord DUNCANNON postponed the second reading
of the Post Office Bill till to-morrow.

The Registration of Voters Bill was read a second time,
and ordered to be committed to-morrow.
The LORD CHANCELLOR moved the second read-
ing of the Stannaries Courts Bill, which was to improve.
the Court, and to bring other metals than tin under its
jurisdiction.
Lord WYNFORD opposed the Bill, and hoped it,
would be postponed till next Session.
Earl FALMOUTH said if the House postponed the
Bill, they would do great injustice to the county of
Cornwall.

The Bill was read a second time.
Lord WYNFORD suggested that the Bill should be
referred to a Committee up stairs.
The Lord CHANCELLOR said that would be a sure
means of obtaining the Noble Lord's wish.

Committed for to-morrow.
FREE CONFERENCE.

On the motion of Lord MELBOURNE, the Order of
the Day for taking into consideration the Commons' Mes-
sage for a free conference was taken into consideration, and
agreed to to be held forthwith in the Committee-roaw.
No. 5.

The Duke of RICHMOND gave notice that he
would (to-morrow) ask the Noble President of the
Council some questions relative to prison discipline.
The Yeoman Usher of the Black Rod appeared at the Bar,
and announced that the Managers on the part of the Com-
mons of the Free Conference were ready in Committee
Room No. ,5.

The following Peers were then named to manage the
Conference on the part of their Lordships—the Earl off
Ripon, the Bishop of Gloucester, Lord Ellenborough, Lord.
Wharncliffe, Lord Lyndhurst, Lord Fitzgerald, and Lord
Abinger ; and they withdrew for that purpose.
On the return of the Conference,

The Earl of RIPON was directed by the Lords ap-
pointed to manage the Conference with the House of Com,
mons, on the subject of the amendments made by their
Lordships to the Municipal Corporations Act (Amend-
ment) Bill, to inform the House the Conference on the
part of the House of Commons was managed by Lord,
John Russell and others, and that the House of Commons.
dissented from two of their Lordships' amendments, for
reasons which the Noble Earl then read.

Lord LYNDHURST rose for the purpose of moving
that their Lordships do adhere to their amendments. The
questions for consideration were two. He should take first
the question which related to the charity trusts. In the
last session of Parliament their Lordships were of opinion,
and the other House was also of opinion, that it would be
advisable to make some temporary provision for the ma.
nagement of these trusts, until both Houses should have an
opportunity to come to some satisfactory arrangement fo
the permanent settlement of the question. Unfortunately
that desirable object had not yet been accomplished ; and
therefore, with a view to the accomplishment of an object so
desirable, and in its nature so delicate, it was proposed that
what had been done in the last session of Parliament—viz.,
a temporary provision—should be extended until the end Of
the next session of Parliament. That proposition WO
made precisely in the spirit of what took place last session,
and had been adopted without objection by both Houses of
Parliament. It was now objected that it would amount to a
continuing of persons, some of whom it was insisted had mil,-
conducted themselves in the management of these trusts. He
apprehended that there was not the slightest evidence ita
support of this allegation. Their Lordships were aware that
these individuals were selected when the Bill passed last
Session. The House of Lords selected them, and the other
House concurred in that selection ; and if these indivi-
duals were then thought proper persons to be appointed, he
would submit that nothing had since occurred to render
them unworthy of the trust. The question for considera-
tion, therefore, came to this—would their Lordships dis-
place these trustees, or would they allow them to act for
another year, when they considered what must be the alter-
native ? If those trustees were not continued the duty Of
appointing new trustees devolved upon his Noble and
Learned Friend on the Woolsack. He would not weaken
the effect of what was stated a few days since by his Noble
and Learned Friend with respect to the discharge of this
duty by any addition of his own. The Noble and Learned
Lord had stated that in every charity, numerous as theY
were, it would be necessary to present a petition to the
Lord Chancellor. That Noble and Learned Lord must
consider the matter of each petition, and it would be neces-
sary in every particular case to direct a reference to the
Master to appoint new trustees. The Master would he al-
tended by the parties interested, evidence would he gone
into, and a lengthened litigation might ensue. These were
the objections that he entertained to the proposition that
these trustees should not be continued for another year
but that the duty should devolve upon the L,,rd Cha,?ee'
lor. He would now shortly refer to the other questioa•
By the Municipal Corporation Act, if the Council wero
equally divided in the election of a mayor, no proceeding!'
could take place. The other House of Parliament did
not object to the appointment of a presiding officer for the
purposes of the election, and it did not object to the mode
adopted by their Lordships, viz., the appointment by lot'
but then it said that the person so appointed ought not to
have a casting vote. He (Lord Lyndhurst) would say that
it was inconsistent with all the analogies of the Municipal
Corporations Bill that he should not have such a casting
vote. He thought the person appointed to preside at the
election of the mayor should also have a casting vote ; but
in opposition to this it was said that whenever there was an
equality of votes the party to whom the mayor or presi-
ding officer was favourable, would always carry the elec"
tion. This objection would also apply to every subsequent
election where there was an equality of votes. This was
the way in which he met the second objection, and on these
grounds he trusted their Lordships would be of opinion that
they ought to insist upon the amendments sent down to the
other House of Parliament.
Viscount MELBOURNE said that, as he gathered
from the Report made by the managers who conducted the
Conference on the part of their Lordships, none of these
arguments were urged by the Noble and Learned Lord at:
the Conference—(Hear)—and, considering that it was
free Conference, he did not exactly see, if were rightly
informed on the subject, why the dignity of the House ha
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been sacrificed, its character lowered, and its interests
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deserted by these arguments not being urged on that
occasion. He would beg leav, to say that, in his, Old
dion, the arguments of the Noble and Learned Lohre
were totally insufficient to maintain the course which
recommended to the adoption of the House.—(Gheegj9g_sl
These individuals were appointed at the very close el
session, it being admitted on all hands that the arrea!4b7)
ment was only to be temporary. At the same time
clauses were inserted in the Bill now under consideratioent
They were inserted to meet the case of another Act n
then introduced ; but their Lordships would be pleased ta
recollect that a Bill had been sent up from the Heese.„.
Commons, making full and entire provision for the coetee%
gency, and that their Lordships in the second
reject ta'`.,
Bill.—(Hear, hear.) He (Viscount 111elbourne)
that their Lordships were not in a situation to call "
their
House of Commons to yield on this occasion ; e
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Lordships had rejected a measure providing- for th
con-
tingency of the trustees, and had accompanied that
rittnch'
tion with expressions of the most insulting and co,,ee
ous nature. In the debate it was stated that theol?n
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Commons intended to promote the interests of partial
favourable to it ; and he would say that their 14
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