The Sun.
London, England, 1836-06-01 00:00:00

Zhetieleo.elimsZicli old and distinguished officers possessed
siost
willionsnideration of the House. and the country. He was
11,Nnthe 14-'__!° acknowledge the claims that these officers bad
stiles eirsu'lluose and the country; yet be felt bound to take
tliki •L.is.taiirses into consideration. He could not forget
itilsisetri:,,3 a Committee was app,.inted to investigate the
111114 tl-1.--the army and navy appointments. The resolutions
aglegs inlitt Committee came to strongly recommended that,
liethohld "le exigeny of the public service, no additions
otamit, 11-Nle to thec general and flag officers. On that
Lef there sat many gentlemen of both services, who
tices:uaniYctclt the fullest anxiety for the interests of both ser-
diiseatie -be Lad never heard that an}' opinion was expressed
adopted: It from the resolutions that that Committee then
hosdred At the present time there were no less than three
arTD, ,and sixty general officers, and for these the whole
thell'os'_l4. not find employment in the proportion of more
lutl set': teri•—( Hear, hear.) The whole number in ac.
ettimat'ernand did not exceed from thirty six to forty. In the
ktoeheds Of the year the amount fer general officers un-
etasme was 106,000/. Taking into consideration the re-
fed elation of the Committee three years ago, he did .not
tposinto.nat nt present the Government would be justified in pro
allY measure on the subject. When he said this he felt
Sosesa
-s saree time bound to state that he felt that it would be
in the course of the next Session, to bring the sub-
Neq fNutlY before the House. They were now paying the
fsr, of the want of consideration that had been used at
Pla„er,fhees• With respect to the promotions that had taken
tee navy within a period of five years, he found that
the,: cwo years preceding 1830, that was in 1823 and 1829,
yelrolti.)tion of lieutenants amounted to 213 ; whilst in the
there 1831 and 1832 the number was 84. In 1828 and 1829
the,o,wete 139 commanders and 57 captains promoted; in
dess'l"'sequent swo years the appointments were 31 common-
tike„and 17 ca taiga. At the same time means had been
to restrict ths• admission of midshipmen.
ti sr HAR.DIN-GE regretted to have heard the ohserva-
ttsii-dtnt lia'd fallen from the Secretary at War. Nothing
deo be more disheastersing to both services than to hear a
WTI nation from the Govesrnment that no brevet promotion
therValse place this year. The reduction in the number of
officers since the dirnieution of brevets become
:Tabie. They had becn reduced within a short period
offie,uso to 360, thus making a diminution of 190 general
since the war. He thonght that this reduction was
the , "'" why promotion should be given to the officers of
itoldmeY• It had for a long peilod been the custom to
4.4 °nt encouragement to the officers of the army by small
itic,e`3 every sixth year or so. This was now the seventh year
th athrevet had taken place. When it was considered that
ss
'',li"sl)Lv of the officers who served at Waterloo was the
B"a8 of those hadserved at Blenheim, and that no
who
hi,' had taken place for upwards of a hundred years, whilst
:nsideraLle increase had occurred' in the pay of those cm-
-4 Vin the civil service, he considered it a reason why the
''ta t' .ere entitled to consideration. He believed that a brevet
1, ~tielent to satisfy the expectations of the army would not have
~10,,ueed an additional expenditure of more than ten thousand
1011-48- The last brevet bad not exceeded eleven thousand
•
te~ld 110 WICK, in explanation, contended that after the
toti:lt\.lll of the Committee of 1833, the Government were
k,t-4a k'oodition to propose any recommendation on this sub-
With respect to the anxiety of the Government on this
il'ad last year, when be succeeded the late Seem-
tie.:‘ War, tie honour to add a supplementary estimate in-
ishirtss," the pay of General Officers to 'four hundred pounds
8r A HANDINGE contended that it was the duty of the
!itil,grY at War to insopose an augmentation of this descrip-
ynt„_l'en he had ascertained it to be the pleasure of his M 0.,.
.,. •
snoula take olace.
, e4l PERGUSSOIV deprecated_ the narrow economy
ten-would alienate the gool-tvill of some of the bravest and
to (lit:ulcers. He would imploss'e his Majesty's Ministers not
isrgast some of the best officers in both services.
ELLEY contended that there was not such encou-
%t tn-et,!t in either branches of the service as ought to be held
Allthen', and that men in the army, particularly in the ay-
tlisettl aervice, who could not retire upon half-pay, would find
ts„n._selves at a late period of life obliged to quit the army in
II ;44g condition than when they entered it. The junior class
11'4o-eel's, whom he might call the operatives of the navy, and
eithelldured more danger and fatigue than any other, had.
tsi)ste: the repayment of promotion or distinction, for on al-
-511) CerY occasion when overlook or medals were given out for
s. rilliant action they were ed.
!titl;aPtain BERKELEY coincided with what had been said
a''esPect to the class of officers below a certain rank, and
same in the navy as in the army. Midshipmen, not
hos, `4, t young men of six-and-twenty and eight-and-twenty
t'llos-s°f •age, and who had served for ten years, if they oh-
Paicl the command of a ship would be only entitled to the
1441'1 sum of 501. a year half-pay, and if he had not a Cap-
give ,'rim a ship he would get no 'half-pay. What in-
liees.",..ent was that for young men to undergo the severity of
exan iination for a Lieutenancy ? The British navy
tilieti`or it was- now neglected when its services were not
14/ or.
le' I% HUME said that those who sympathised se much with
„ „ and arm,
navv, who were the persons to
receive, did not
s
eein disposed le feel for those who paid. It was also
.rat by limiting she sum, as it bad been by one Hon.. Mem-
tle ,
a and by
confined to one grade of officers of the
class. He toe
regretted to see the Howe, which was the
tan ..-e.the public purse, urging on the Government to.
tt.Z4vaga7:ce, Had promotion been fairly conducted—had it
41,• the just reward of merit—there.would not now_ biase-
f this itti, or motion ; nor should we find Post-Cep
o. f
ev nine year,e standing, and Lieutenant-Colonels of six
Aov-,e'elr. With record to those who did not receive half-pay,
'ere they worst ,off than persons in civil life ? The truth
Sirl,ro Was no other service in Europe so well paid.
C 0 D RING'FON thought naval officers were much
4tlrrlT'Y Lieutenant-Colonel military. According to the regulations of the
46-"utenant-Colonel roight in twelve years be made a
brs:ilneral, and in thirty-fsve years a naval officer might.
to attain equal rank. He knew an instance. .in
'Here was 150,000/. prize-money, and when a distort-
eici naval officer applied to Lord Liverpool for his portion
t‘4l„' his Lordship said he knew of no. such fund. In a marl-
r country like this the interest of the navy and of the army
sirs, • .
ca of prime importance. sh. There were
400 Ptain PECHELL supported the motiol
f t.l..tese 200
Itetibidshipmen who had just passed examination—
.d some
aleemployed, and of the 500 who were employ,
hp Pa.ld so little as 101. 20/. and 40/. a-year. He kn'T:_a
Ith„t"ri:orious officer who was 25 years a midshipman.
131.!e
thelit' only married, but a grandfather, and he (Captain_vheo-
tPtiditwas godfather to his grandchild.—( A laugh.) \
11PPose a midshipman a grandfather? He
really hoped
Ilt'llso°°ernment would not require much prompting in a qu
important as this.
Stea tain DUNDA 6' said that 75 naval officers previously
1.- to were appointed in 1802, and were now supporting
lito-'ives on oaa a-year each, while military officers of the
ttans•
Afte uing were now general officers.
, • rit few words from Mr. Hume,- Captain Bolder°, Mr.
e°d, and Mr. Bannerman, the returns were agreed to.
)0k DISABILITIES OF THE JEWS.
begged R• INGLIS to know from his Right Hon.
hrt,..ne Chancellor o the Exchequer whether he intended
en that night the motion of which he had given notice?
`1,45- CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would
ries it‘l.Tha! the House resolve itself into a ommittee to con-
Niee disabilities affecting his Majesty's subjects of the
Dll".ratiasion."
Ititr,;• INGLIS said that though lie would be authorized
h'l k;" the question by a direct negative, and call fur a divi-
:gl;,°„llee. yet he would not pursue that course, but state
'''lls-141tis of his objection. In the first place, there was not
Ali -tltien in favour of this proposed 'Bill from the Jews as a
hody_neither from synagogues, nor from Levites,
Rabbis/. This circumstance alone, viewing it as a
us question, deserved serious consideration. It should
ilteisnhe in mind thOt the Jews were not a sect, or to be dis-
Nid4,, ed by a peculiar creed ; but they were. a nation, and
,111,,Yed themselves so. He should say nothing. more than
"'Ss ews had cause of complaint, it was free for them to
forwardlttl,, and prefer their ccmplaint. Being born in Eng-
tlssilve.no exclusive right to the title of Engishmen. The
ad wealth, riches, beyond most people ; they had pro-
°l they had equal rights in 'the eye of. the law—every.-
!ss,ut political power. He (Sir R. Inglis) would take !t
itlt,klit4l,ted that the Bill proposed to be introduced by his
lit, Friend was tared ame as that introduced by Sir
Grant in 1834 ; therefore, that the tenor of it
11;1 c°F had
use.to abolish the words in the oath; ...on the true faith
ii4t,boilit:istion." Now, what would be the consequence of
. pion? The only words which designated the nation
tso.iisti_ •
deserted an would be erased front the records. IfJews were
4eriiii, to legislative power, by a parity of argument every other
it it rsjs'n't of relissionists or non-religionists should be admitted
';'11 si°' It was a most important question, and one
leald not be carried through even its first stage in
1.1;14, e,BO thinly attended and at such a late hour of the
i4tise With respect. to the main question, he would ask the
Is,i'lisjalisetber a" community of Jews would. admit Christians .
as
for them ? The answer was obvious. They would
be part it, then, to be considered a necessaryliberality. on
kAid Christians to admit Jews to govern them ?It might
or 'fat the number of Jews likely to be admitted would
,7ted ;Mall • but to that he • should answer, that lie had,
kiln
'(s p
a°lll fate experience to put no faith in such assertions.
hear.) Believing that any power which might be
Fa the Jews would be exerted against.and not for
ht to
, an creed, he was not prepared by granting any oon-
)':. to them to add a new danger to the external fabric of
etr ttli:.ch (the internal fabric was protected by a higher
.1:41;1au that of man), or put it in the power of Jew, Turk,
er li:fidel to do more harm than had been already
11;4 hvo the Christian religion, He felt deeply concerned
Plit"tilleh arid similar concessions as that proposed by his
hltitluliC:n. Friend, by little, and little, jell security for the
;14 e
tt h ee of Christianity as the religion of the country
tai hl ree entirely frittered away. He believed it to be as un-
r,tbe British Legislature to grant the concession con-
kli k‘ 114. it as it would be for the Jewish people to receive it,
t,;elt bound to warn the House of the consequences flowfeeiti from it if it were to be carried into execution.
4tr.be a practical removal of every test of religious be-
.ielic‘s4‘" of State.—(" Hear, bear," from the Treasury
Itithe' Legislature Hereafter it would be of n
~o consequence what re-
. of this country might possess.—(" Hear,
Ilierf rie,lll the saran quarter.) He would go farther—or
e 611 ad any religiose or not.—( Hear, hear.),
11,(i tI ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave his
lilt bowed full credit for the eeosssientious part he had
taus td p„,,t be claimed equal credit ft r bireself in that which
--bsiled and meant to pursue on the question before the
)fe:is Hon. Friend had said that there were no pea,.
red' importance in favour of
those
motion. To this lie
' Iby referring him tc) those front the great corn-