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London, England, 1831-08-05 00:00:00

LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, AUGUST 5, 1831.

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE,
FRENCH PAPERS.
OEINIONs Or THE JOURNALS uroN THE LATE EROcEED-
INGs IN THE CABINET AND cIIAMBER.
(From La France Nouvelle.).
The chamber has at length decided, although the we-
: tion candidate has not been 'named President. The
Ministry has not found in the Chamber that decided ma-
mrity, without which they declared they could not remain
it the head of affairs.

It is not upon a single fact that this decision has been
'ormeil. On the scrutiny for the Presidency the Ministe-
.ial candidate was only returned by a majority of one;
while on the scrutiny for the Vice-Presidency, M. Du-
pont de l'Eure, the opposition candiiate, was elected by a
najority of ten.
Consequently, the Ministry might be considered from
hat moment as dissolved, and the dissolution the result
:iot of a personal question, but of a question of a Parlia-
mentary majority, the result of which must always be
followed either by the continuance or the dissolution of
every Ministry faithful to its principles, and the true laws
of a representative Government.
(From Le Globe.) _ _

We learn that /11. Casimir Perier has tendered his
resignation ; we are ignorant as to the fact whether it has
been or will be accepted. His retirement will probably be
followed by those of tbeothoc. Members of .the Cabinet..
here we have another instance of the incontinence of
public favour. Then, if M. Perier retires, from the
constitution of the Chamber, his successor cannot mate-
rially differ from him. The liberals will consider they have
gained a victory in the accession of a new Prime Minis-
ter; but we should be much astonished if the latter should
not soon find out that he had been made use of in his turn.
(From Le National.)
M. Dupont has obtained for the office of Vice-President
a more considerable majority than that of M. Girod for
the Presidency. M. Dupin, the very essence of the
opinion of the Perier Administration, had 153 votes; M.
Dupont, 162. M. Berenger, whom the Ministry has
never considered of their party, but who represented a
small portion of the gauche mixte, got three votes less
than Dupont. The Ministry at once perceived that they
could not stand against such a majority.
M Lafitte has this moment sent us the following
in answer to a letter which has already appeared
" To THE EDITOR OF TILE NATIONAL.
" PARIS, JULY 31.
" Had Marshal Soult done me the honour of answering
my letter of the 26th, instead of leaving that trouble to
the office of the Invalides, I should have been prevented
from giving fresh explanation on the subject.
" The article inserted i❑ the Ittoniteur of this morning
refers to a mistake of the present Administration. It
mixes up my acts and my signatures with those of my
house of business.

" I again assert, and with a certainty of not being con-
tradicted, I hail no knowledge of the transaction with M.
Meuron. 1 was altogether ignorant of the contract which
my house had entered into with the lova!ides.
" As soon as I was informed upon the subject I re-
quested of the Marshal that he would grant leave to have
the contract annulled, with an indemnity, and thus I
thought the affair was at an end. As a mere merchant it
was not my wish to be a contractor, and as President of
the Council it was still less consistent with my situation.

" A fact which must come home to all is that I was
not in Paris on the 21st July, 1830, at the period of the
undertaking. On my return upon the 27th, public affairs
kept me in a complete ignorance of all the affairs of my
house. As soon as I was restored to liberty on the 12th
March, I could have applied to the business ; but I had
previously renounced all future advantages arising there-
from, anti my partners had appointed a person to liquidate
the affairs.

" My house, and not myself, has become security for
M. Meuron ; and my house has undertaken the responsi-
bility in the market. All this has occurred unknown to
me, as the demands which have since been made by my
substitute. Having become a stranger to all my interests
in consequence of the events of July, the result is not so
flattering as to prevent me from taking a part in those
matters, particularly when other persons arc engaged to
accept this office.
" In my memorial to the Marshal I called to mind a
letter which I had written to him about the time of my
retiring from the Ministry; its object was to relieve me
from the weight of the above contract. As the affair was
a matter of no difficulty, and could not cost any thing to
the State, I depended upon the favourable opinion which
had been formed of me. At the present moment I have
made up my mind to greater sacrifices ; according to many
folks those which I have already incurred are not sufficient.
" However the case may turn out, I am not anxious,
nor do I require any expensive reward. I repeat to the
Administration, that the moment that I was acquainted
with the debate I should be content with directing a sub-
division of the troops without smoke. There can be no
doubt as to my manner of operating, and still the scale of
conduct has not as yet been made known to me. Who-
ever likes may believe it, but honourable merchants would
attempt to say that I had considered the subject of money
when the solvency and honour of the house were at stake.
" It is not unlikely that the extent of this calumny has
been unnoticed. Thank heavens the cause will cease to-
morrow ! What I have suffered on this account, under
the restoration, is nothing to what I have endured since
France has got rid of it. Deeply wounded, but not un-
mindful of what I owe to myself, my principles and senti-
ments shall undergo no change. They had better leave
me in tranquillity; I am not anxious for the contest. If
an inquiry is desired lam quite ready. I do not wish to
provoke any man, but I am not afraid of any person who
may appear.
" In whatever the affair may terminate my conscience
shall feel satisfied, and my friends, and the recollection of
the good I have done, shall remain dear to my memory.
May my enemies obtain, one day or other, the same con-
solations! " J. LAFITTE."
FRENCIT FUNDS.-PARIS, AUGUST 3.-Five per Cents., 84E
40c. 50c. 40c. 20c. 2x. 50c. 40c. 30c. 40c. 84f. 50c. 60c. 55c. 50c.
40c. 30c. 20c. 10c. 84f. 8.31. 90c. 84f. 83f. 95c. 75c. 80c. 60c. 65c.
60c. RM. 50c. 30c. 40c. 50c. 60c. 50c ; Loan of 1831, 84f. 40c. 84f.
831. 80c. 84f.; Four per Cents., 70f. ; Three per Cents., 53f. 50e.
30c. 20c. 30c. 20c. 30c. 50c. 45c. 40c. 53f. 20c. 52f. 90c. 40c. 30e.
25c. 30c. 25c. 40c. 53f. 30c. 40c. 20c. ; Bank Stock, 1,510 f. 1,500 f. ;
Rente de Naples, 65f. 50c. 65f 65f. 10c. 64f. 50c. 651: ; Royal Spa-
nish Loan, 61% 6O tiO ; Rente Perpetuelle d'Espagne, 46% 14
% 46 45% 46. Exchange on London, one month, paper,
25f. 10c. ; three months, money, 24f. 95c.-Cours Authoilique.

CHELTENHAM, AUG. 3.—The Duke of
GLOUCESTER still continues here, and is likely to remain
yet a few days longer. The Earls of COVENTRY and
ENNISKILLEN have come in within the last day or two.
They were both on the Montpelier Promenade this morn-
ing; also General Carat, who arrived yesterday.
Two young ladies, Miss CAREY and Miss
CREANE, were professed on Wednesday, at the Presenta-
tion Convent, near this town. The Rev. Mr. MAGRATII
was the officiating Clergyman on the very interesting occa-
sion.— Tipperary Free Press.
It appears from our report of the Home Cir.
chit, in this day's Paper, that Mr. Serjeant ANDREI'..S has
been indulging in a general tirade against the newspapers
of the metropolis, to the no small edification of the good
people of Maidstone. The censure or the praise of Ser-
jeant ANDREWS would be a matter of very little conse-
quence, estimated either by the weight of his character or
the force of his talents; but, as mere impudence is cal-
culated to give currency to falsehood, it sometimes becomes
necessary, for the sake of truth itself, to notice the most
empty declaimers, when they misrepresent the character
of the daily Pi ess. " Great," said the Learned Setjoant,
" is the injury to private characters from the licentiousness
of the Press of the metropolis." He was prosecuting the
Brighton Guardian at the time. Now this lugging in
of the metropolitan Press on t; charge with which it
had no concern, was done purposely for display, to show
how sore he could feel, like other great men, who would
have cut a more respectable figure if they had kept their
complaints to themselves. It is, however, a notorious
and admitted fact that there never was a period when the
daily Press of this country was so free from all personal
and slanderous attacks as the present. But there are al-
ways a set of little wretched pettifogging politicians at the
liar, ready to copy the defects of men more important
than themselves. To be celebrated for the same virulence
against the Press which'once distinguished Sir JAMES
cfiatr.Err, and has latterly seized on Sir ROBERT PEEL,
is certainly to approach these eminent persons in one re-
spect; and we may congratulate their present imitator at
having already succeeded to as great an extent as ever
nature designed he should do in the imitation of men of
talent..—Morninq Herald.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

110 USE OF COMMONS, At ?Gun' 4.
The SPEAKER took his seat at Three o'clock.
COLERAINE ELECTION.

Mr. KENIP brought up the report of the Com-
mittee elected to try the merits of the petition of
William Taylor Copeland, El., against the return of Sir
John Bridges for the borough of Coleraine, and stated that
the Committee had come to the decision that Sir John
-Bridges was not duly elected, and that Mr. Copeland
ought to have been returned.—The return was, therefore,.
ordered to be amended in that respect.

Mr. BUCK presented a petition, numerously signed,
faun the freemen of the city of Exeter, praying that their
'chartered rights, and those of their children, might not
be affected by the Reform Bill. The- lion. Member wa-
of opinion that the Reform Bill would create much dis-
satisfaction in the country. .

Mr. BULLER said a 'few words, but was so indistinct
that we could only collect that he should support the Bill.
Mr. BUCK then presented a petition from the Mayor,
Aldermen, and inhabitants, of the city of Exeter, for a
relaxation of the criminal code, and the abolition of
capital punishment.
• Mr. GILLON presented a petition frorn the Town
&c. of the burgh of Linlithgow, complaining of
the If.reat de'.ay fli.ft had taken place in the progress of the
Merin fill, which they stated to have a tendency to im-
pair the dignity of Parliament, and to create dissatis-
faction in all parts of the kingdom, and praying that Mi-
nisters would carry that great measure of Reform with
the least possible clay.
Mr. JOHNSTit6sI supported the prayer of the petition.
Mr. GILLON, in moving-that it be laid on the table,
said lie entirely concurred in the prayer and the spirit of
the petition. The most intense anxiety pervaded every
part of the country upon this subject, and in Scotland in
particular. The Hon. Member regretted to see, night
after night, the time of the House wasted in frivolous de-
bates—(Hear)—which excited the just indignation
of the public.—(Hear. ) He entreated the House, from
a regard to the interests and the peace of the country, to
allow no unnecessary delay in carrying this measure into
full effect. The petitioners were a body of men who
had shown the most disinterested feelings, by coming for-
ward and surrendering their exclusive privileges for the
public good.

Mr. C. W. WYNN admitted the disinterested.
ness of the petitioners; but he was surprised that
the Town Council of a Scotch borough should set
themselves up as judges of the discussions upon
the English Reform Bill, the details of which did not
concern them, and of which they could have no local
knowledge.—(" Hear," from the Opposition.) Of all
persons they were not the men capable of saying how
long the House should discuss the present Bill. Suppose
for a moment it were a case of sixty prisoners in the
dock waiting to be tried, would it be proper, upon
the verdict being given against one of them, immediately to
hang all the rest.--(Hear, and laughter.) The demand
of these petitioners would amount to that proposition. It
was extremely ill-judged of the petitioners, but as the pe-
tition was respectfully worded it ought to be received.
Mr. O'CONNELL said the Right Hon. Gentleman had
not made out any case against the petition. The Right
Honourable Gentleman talked of this being a Scotch
petition, and therefore, because it was remote, the peti-
tioners had no right to interfere in the English nomination
borough system, and compared the petition to a caae of
hanging sixty men upon the verdict against one ; in only
one point there was a similarity, and that was, that in both
cases they were criminal—(Laughter, and " hear")—but
in another there was a wide difference, that in the one
case the boroughmongers were trying their own cause,
while in the other the prisoners were tried by other
judges. It was truly painful to hear the long speeches
that were made.—(l-lear.) He had heard one gentleman
make no less than one speech fourteen times over.—
( Hear, hear, and laughter ) The country certainly
would not be deluded by this delay.—(Hear.) The Bill
commenced on the 4th of July, the anniversary of Ame-
rican iruleperdenee, and rultv-they-were at the 4th of Au-
gust ; he should like to see it finished by the 10th of
August, when they could celebrate the English independ-
ence.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. DUNDAS deprecated the frequent repetitions of
the same arguments ; the Scotch people were a reflecting
people, and they did not wish the measure hurried through
the House.
Lord STANLEY was astonished to hear his Right
Hon. Friend (Mr. Wynn) object to the interference of the
petitioners, they had a perfect right to petition this House
even against the delays created in the progress of the English
Reform Bill ; no person could doubt that great delay had
occurred—(Cries of hear, and no)—and he could not con-
ceive the slightest objection could be urged to the petition.
Sir RICHARD V YVYAN deprecated the language of
the lion, and Learned Member (Mr. O'Connell) in
referring to the anniversary of the American Independence,
and also to the anniversary of the 10th August, which was
the day on which a monarchy was overthrown.—(Hear.)
1 He asked whether it was decent to send petitions to this
House, questioning the right of Members to discuss a
proposed great change in the Constitution of the country.
(Hear.) He might not, perhaps, avail himself of any other
occasion to speak, but he claimed for other Members
the right to deliver their free opinions, and begged them
not to be terrified by meetings of Common Councils, or
any other meetings whatever. He hoped they would
do their duty, regardless of the taunts which might be
east out.--(Hear.)
Mr. GRATTAN reprobated the idle waste of time in
the discussions upon the Reform Bill.
Mr. Ds W. HARVEY said it was not that there was
too much deliberation, but that there was a total absence
of deliberation in the House,—(Hear)—caused by delay
and the repetition of speeches. Nearly all the debates of
the House bad been monopolised by some six or eight
Members on each side, and one Hon. Member had
risen twelve or fourteen times in one night upon the same
subject, without even having had the merit of speaking to
the question. (Hear.) When it was complained that a
Scotchthat burgb was pressing this Bill on, did not the House
knowthe greater the delay in this Bill, the longer
would the Scotch Bill be deferred.—(Hear.)
Mr. WYNN explained that he did not mean to
Tight of, the Scotch burghs to petition. As
the o
eeeas Froenlt
oiottni
r the
he was surprised to hear a reference to
August,t the anniversary of a day on which
nh'eclropfoin, monarchy was overthrown, and the streets of
Paris deluged with blood.—(Hear.)
Mr. O'CONNELL said those events were the consequence
of a dogged refusal of Reform, the want of a just Govern-
ment, and the usurpation of one which had usurped the
people's rights.—( Hear. )
Mr. LEFROY could not conceive upon what principle
Ministers were condemning boroughs without hearing
Counsel in their behalf.

Mr. NORTH was not surprised that those who looked
to this measure as a step to the repeal of the Union, and
who referred to the American independence, and the events
of the 10th of August, were impatient for the passing of
this Bill; but he was very much surprised that his M t-
jesty's Ministers would not allow it to be properly
discussed; those Ministers who admitted that they had at
first brought in an imperfect Bill, which they were co n-
pelled hastily to alter, by their masters, the daily pre s.
......(Loud cries of " Hear," from the Opposition.) He
conceived that it was only a preparatory measure, and
would be supplanted by another in 1832 er 1833.
Mr. FERGUSSON was one who would oppose any
thing in the shape of intimidation presented to the House,
or any attempt, from what quarter soever it might come,
to eontroul the House in the fair exercise of its
own judgment. He could not, however, but admit there
had been great delay, but the delay had not arisen upon
discussions on the principle of the measure, nor yet on its
general details, but was owing, and owing entirely, to
Hon. Members on the Opposition side of the House repeat-
ing arguments over and over again, from night to night, on
Particular points. He (Mr. Fergusson) trusted all the ex-
pedition possible would be used; at the same time he
could not but hope that the House would not allow a few
individuals in this metropolis, or anywhere else, to prompt
it to take any steps not sanctioned by the considerate feel-
ings of the House itself.
Mr. ROBINSON thought it very odd that lion. Mem-
bers,shuuld never have found out the inconvenience of the
forms of the House till the present Reform Bill came to
be discussed. He considered the imputation of the Hon.
and Learned Member who had addressed the House last
but one, that the House was likely to be swayed by any
thing but its own sense of right and wrodg, unfair,
I and one that ought not to have been made. He

:kewise thought that petitions On the subject of delay,
the passing of this measure, wereliely only to increase
he evil complained of.
Sir C. FORBES considered, that instead of there having
Ten any unnecessary delay, the Bill, so far as it had gone,
Ad been permitted to go to its praeent stage infinitely
no quick. In short, much more mischief had been
one than could be repaired in a century. It appeared to
,irn that the Hon. Members on the opposite side of the
i louse were so completely tired of this Bill that they seemed
.0 shrink from every thing like a discussion upon it.
Infinitely more than half the debate upon it was on his
.iile of the House—(Hears hear.) Still this circum-
•tance did not affect the votes, whenever the House
vent to a division ; and he really thonght, that with the
majority which Ministers hail, the best thing they
could do would be to dispense with the standing orders 01
he House, to vote themselves into a Select Committee
upon the Bill, to report upon it, and to have
it read a third time without either any loather debate or
further delay. This would be a short mode of going to
work, and one that would meet the object of Hon. Mem-
bers on the other side of the Home, namely, that of satin •
Eying the Press and the public.