The Sun.
London, England, 1849-07-10 00:00:00

talked of the beeeitt . iii, wee- a e woo Celt zC epee
the landierds of Ireland, anti of his being the proprie-
tor of lend is five cean:ies in Ireland. o:her Hon.
Members spoke in the same strain. The Hun. Gentle-
men objected to the legislation for Ireland, and the poter•
law especially. Now all these speeches, and this opeoe-
tion to our honesty, resulted from one state of mind—
ri feeling that Eiegland had a right to support Ireland.
But, he would ask, where was the money for this rail-
road to be got from —where was it to come t rem? Why,
from the pockets of the people of this country. What
were they going to do? They were geing to advance
Money from the Exchequer to Ireland to make a rail..
way. He was not in the habit of quoting h Hansard,"
but he held a speech of the Chencellor of the Ex-
chequer's in his hand with reference to a similar but
larger measure. The Right Hon. Gentleman then said
that he did not like the State to become a money-lender.
If the parties cored give security for the money they
wanted, and if the speculation was a good speculation,
every one knew that there would be no difficulty in get-
ting a loan from private individuals. He wanted to
know why the Ch ancellor of the Exchequer had changed
his opinion. In 1847 Lord George Beittinck had pre-
Posed a plan or railroads for Ireland,
which, if ever such
a Plan deserved support, was one that should have re-
ceived it. The Chancellor of the Exchequer opposed it,
and now came forward with a much smaller, to which,
however, all his own objections applied as forcibly as
ever. He told them that it would open up the district,
and draw trade to it. Well, if that was the case, ac-
cording to his own showing, it should induce the private
lender to come forward. He must distinctly object alto-
gether to thi it lending money to Ireland, or to any other
Part of the kingdom. Leok at the state of Ireland. It
Was in every respect worse than it was in 1847. and what
ns the state of things at present in England? In every
e-eon in the country, in the rural districts especially, the
poor-rates were increasing. In frueal industrious Scot
land the rates last year were half a million sterling, this
Year they were likely to increase to 600,0001. While in
mnst cases they bud not previously been
0
,000/. This was not a state of affairs
to encourage any grants to Ireland. Be-
sides the Right Hon. Gentleman had formerly shown
bitnself that Lord George Bentinek's plan would not ems
Ploy the labourers of Ireland, but that the works would
Isexecuted by able-bodied labourers from England.
Without entering upon any argument upon the subject,
be Would simply content hi:lilted' by strongly repeating
bis Protest against taking the money from the pockets
of the hardworking industrious operatives and artisans,
to make railroads in Ireland for any company whatever.
HUME said hi; Hon. Friend appeared to misun-
derstand.t the question entirely. The measure would not
take a single farthing out of the pockets of the artisans
of this country, nor would is take any of the taxes.—
(Heir, hear.) All that was proposed was, that the Go-
vernment should aid the company with its credit, and in
return it would receive a guarantee of ei par cent. on
the line. He must repeat, a more unexceptionable and
useful proposition he could not conceive.—(clear.)
Mr. NE WDEGATE most heartily rejoiced that the
plan of his Nob •e and lamented Friend was now
couldadm" not admitted
to have been a practical and useful one. He
but regret that the Hon. Member fir Sheffield
should on
such grounds oppose a plan which would benefit the
landlords of Ireland. He could give his cordial support
to the proposel of the Government, because he had
given his support to a touch larger measure, when
brought forward by his Noble Friend.—(Hear, hear.)
The Government had then opposed that measure,
whereas if they had had the comprehensive genius and
foresight of his Noble Friend, Irelenil would now have
been in a very different position. The arguments of the
Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Cambridge were.
in fact, the same as had been formerly used against Lord
George Bentinek's pout But he totally denied that the
Government ought to leave the people to perish, if their
°wn rewarded exertions could not sustaiu them. The
d •
tu of ex`'ove , rnment was to tester the people, and elev.
)e Pte` the means-by whica their skill and industry could
bee brought into profitable action, and in this respect he
teved the cold and heartless doctrines of political
economy
heil been most misehievens to the country.
be eset • ROEBUCK. ,aid he did not object to this advance
aware?
K.
ett,:: it would benefit an Irish landlord, and as to the
the ceeeteiee of
rereen htie 11,mourAble Friend (11r. Hume) that
merely gave its credit, if they did so the
...,-uvertlment
deem that would be in some danger of having to re-
Si credit
rR. L •
Gent[ "-RRON said he had an answer to the
wards ofe,:"- The Government had advanced up-
to eiervie yeti millions of money for public works, not
rice,
rose Paliperised, and miserable Ireland, but to
ployedParTZPerous England, where everybody was em-
°l the means of creating wealth were boasted
vances th
e Times as superabundant. Among these ad-
irrtliiir°4de,lle6oo.ooo/.
found for canals and bridges, 1 470 0001.;
--(Loud cries of °Hear" from the
forsh
Members.) For building poor-houses, 1 900,0004;
waterworks—(Hear)-70.0004; an-1 for the Thames
teeunnel. 250,0004—(R newed cheers.) Where was the
t, n. Member for Sh,:ffield then? Why was he not in
ells Place to oppose such advances as these, not to tarnish-
ing Ireland, but to wealthy Etiglaud? The feet of the
matter was, it was nothing but the bile and the anti-
Irish feeling, which seemed to run in his blood,
that induced him to come forward and talk
as he had done of the hardship of texine the hardwork-
ing citizens of England for Ireland —(Much merriment
was excited by the Honourable Barouet's mimicry of
the voice and manner of the Honourable Member for
Sheffield) He could show, however, from the highest
authorities, that all such advances to Ireland heretofore
had not only been repaid to the Government, principal
and interest, but that actually their expenditure had
proved of benefit to the revenue. For instance, on the
authority of Mr. Le Moye he might state that the open-
ing of a road upon which 70,0001. had been expended,
and all of which was repaid, had, in the short space of
two years, given an increase to the revenue of 40,0001.
The evidence of the late Chairman of the Board of
Works in Ireland, an English gentleman, now in high
office in this country, was to the same effect.
Mr. O'FLAIIERTY said he should not have felt sa-
tisfied if he had not expressed the gratification he felt,
and which he knew pervaded all classes of the people of
Ireland, at the intention of her Majesty's Government
to render the aid they had proposed doing. He hoped
that Governeaent would follow out their views, and he
thahked them for bringing forward the present measure,
Sir T. D. ACLAND said he had opposed the gigantic
Noblewhich had been brought forward by a lamented
Noble Friend (Lord G. Bentinck)—and he had opposed
it principally on account of its magnitude—but he had,
nevertheless, in the course of the same year, and with
perfect con,istency, supported other propositions for the
benefit of Ireland—anti he should, upon the same prin
ciple, give his support to the present proposition for
Ireland. The lion. and Learned Member for Sheffield
(Mr. Roebuck) had taunted an Hon. Member who hart
spoken in favour of this measure, because he said he had
property in five Irish counties. Now he (Sir T. D.
Acland) had no property in Ireland, but he spoke as an
independent English Member. and he felt it was the duty
of this country to lend every aid that was possibie to
Ireland.—(Hear. hear.) There were no mire g.avoul
people then the Irish, and it was incumbent on the Go-
vernment, in the present condition of Irel and, to give all
possible aseistarice.—(Heae, hear) He wished to know
from his Right Hen. Foetid the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer, whether the odes: c-s which had been made in
1847, had been paid up? Because. it they were, under
the circumstances of the dine, it was idle to talk o•
danger or risk now, Tilf, best outlay of m nay would
be that which would bring back profitable returns
threnge the work and the lab tor to Ireland.—(Hear
The CEIANCELLOR of toe EXCHEQUER, in reply
to the coestion of his Hen. Friru I, caul t bear the most
eatisteciory testimony to the fate that every single six-
pence which had b• en ailvenc,d to the railroads in Ire-
land, had been repaid.— (Rear, hear.)
Mr. PETO coulti assure ti ,e Hou,e that they had no
better labourers on their railways, than the labourers
that came from the sister country. Wnen they saw the
advantages which had resulted from the making of roads
in
the vast highlands of Scotland, they might safely infer
vast advantages which w uld accrue to Ireland from
the rn akin, of reilroade, and he thought that Govern-
mentcould not do better than give ever) support to the
eoni pletten and extension of such works,
Mr. FREW EN eupperted the' measure,
Sir LUCIUS O'BRIEN claimed for his country the
possession of a proper share of enterprise and industry,
mitt'
if, iu the dispensations of Providence,
a heavy cala•
p,aypiheaodr.
Ireland fallen upon the land, he felt asisured that the
and would appreciate the liberality of Go-
vernment in Coming forward with such a proposition as
the present, and he, for one, gave it his
After a fe hearty support.
sutio
The CH
the reset w tlaservati.ins from Mr. H. HERBERT,
n was agreed to.
e ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
the distressedro
had next to
.use
P e
a further advance for the relief of
He had stated unities'
months precedin• to be secured upon the rate in aid.
a former occasion that, for the three
rally
prevailed in
the harvest, the greatest distress gene-
more 1, Ireland They had already advanced
feeieres. than the 100 0004 Which had been
.voted, the dß*-
" Jhpa vt
the tie
advanced out of the civil contingen
been more than ITOIIOI4 of June the advances Isaaed notad
vance had
that it could be lettill weekly., Since then t
been 15,0'04). weekly, and he did not suppose
in full consumg
which he
Was d 3 the early crops of potatoes—
to say were exceedingly good—were
175,000/•, which,
with
hThles7oohad
he
eeenh
aadl reaaddvy,.nacd.v4antcheadt
morning,_rta.. would make the entire advance 190,0001. It
Was his intention now to move a resolution for a still
further advance of 150,0001. He would state, before
sitting down, that it was also his intention to make a
vote for an advance for the reconstruction of work
only mentioned it nowii lest
houses, but he would move •
it iathi
oaanlodthbeer
aCapopmomaeidtteteh.atHiet
had escaped his rec
e.ction.
The CEIANCIaIr by
In answer to a
Mr. STAFFORD.
were stated that he bad bet', reel the EXCHEQUER further
2e3hiiam a list of the most distressed
unions, that they
he mentioned were the unions number, and among those
Bandon, Castlereagh, cam of Babina, Bailinrobse
Ennis, Enntstowen,
&ea:, Carrick-on-Shannon,
Sir D. NORREI'S wished to know
col-
lection of rates had gone on in these how far the the collection had been enforced? unions, and whether
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER th..t the collection of the rate., in
all
the
di replied
unions had br‘en enforced to the utmost practie blstrebscd
e extent.
The resolution was then agreed to,
and
the House re-
sumed.

POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL
tl,-• qustion being put that this Bill be read a
Third time,
J-L,* otiN O'CONNELL rose to move the following
claw.p, by %ray of 4m,oidinent :--" And whf rea<, by th,
Act I a. d 2 Vic., c. 56. the l'o tr•law Colurnissioners an.
flit pow( red to appoint fit persons to be chaplains ti.
workhouse., be it t-nact6d, that no clergy men 'hall be
deemed a fit person for such office, or if appointed, to be
continued in such offi,?e, who shall not be approved of by
his ordinary; and that no clergymin shall be removed