The Sun.
London, England, 1825-04-20 00:00:00

our fellow subjects, whaeseelLring the prosperity_of the empire
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Colonel" FORD merely rose to. state, that he perfectly con-
curred in all that had been adatinced.;by the Hon. Member for
Armagh. He did not think that the question could remain as
it stood at present, but tlfat the interests of both countries would
be advanced by the passingsif the present Tll.
Lord ENNISMORE said that he intended to vote against
the second reading of.this Bill. He had voted in favour of the
motion for going into 'a Committee:on this subject, in the hope
that some arrangement .might have been devised in it which
would...have been satisfactory to all parties. No such arrange"
ment was visible in the Bill. If, howeverawhen the Bill went
into the CoMmittee, clauses-should be introduced providing for
the Catholic Clergy, and regulating the elective franchise, be
shoald have no objection to vote in favour of the third reading.
Mr. JAiiES.DAIX expressed great surprise at the incon-
sistent conduct ()rids Noble Friend who, had just sat down.
His Noble Friend ought to vote for the second reading of-the
Bill, in order to give the. House an opportunity of introducing
into it the clattes which he recommended ; because if they
.were not introduced, he might consistently withhold Ms nip-
port from the third reading. He should vote in favour of the
present measure, because he considered it as one of the very
first importance. The system of liberality on which it Ws°
founded was calculated to put an end to the party animosities
of Ireland for ever. The Catholics had of late years advanced
in numbers, in property, in education, and in liberality of feel=
ing. Was it extraordinary that under sueli circumstances the'',
should ask fora remission of the laws under which they smarte,
and should claim an equality of rights with the rest of their fel-
low-countrymen ? One lion. Member had opposed this well"
sure, because part of it tended to disfranchise the freeholder'
of Ireland. -11 e kneW nothing :as yet of such a measure, and
therefore should Consider this measure entirely on its own ate'
rits. The present was a serious moment. for Ireland. The
calm that prevailed there was not thin calm of apathy, but the
calm of intense interest. Catholics of that country We°
united together, frean the highest Peer down to the lowest OW .
sant ; they had put aside all minor interests, and they ?ter!
now combined, hand and heart, for the recovery of their Jut
and lawful rights. He could not contemplate without alarm tilc
irritation of millions of men. It was true.that the Catholic /184,
sociatioai was at an end.; but if this Bill were thrown out, lb°
Catkelles would associate againathough not perhaps under the
same denomination, and would endeavour to take by force Owl
which they could: not obtain. by fairmeans.--.(Hear, hear !)--la
mean When he said by force, he did not to assert that they`
would seek to take it by.rebellion, ,but that they would threw
the Protestants, both in Ireland and in England, into such a
state of alarm and discomfort, that they would be glad itfa „
get rid •of it by 'granting to them the concessions they :u'
-winded. He was bound to speak out freely to the Housel,
,( Hear !)—He had a deep stake in the country ; and he w°u'-•
;undertake to say," that all the pioperty in it would be dilly"
nishcd one-half in value, if -Parliament should now dash the
cup of consolation from the Catholics, after it had voluntarily.
raised- it to their lips. • In-conclusion, he eulogized the conducl
of the Catholic clergy. In his own county he had witnease"
the benefit of their-exertions, and had cveal heard it ackno"
ledge-el repeatedly by the judges.
Sir N. COLTHURST voted in favour of this measure, be.
cause he conceived it unjust to exclude any class of men froia
the benefits of the Constitution, without the existence of an Or
quate necessity or of some great danger being fully proved
him. Now he thought that a necessity was droved for their gu.
mission into the pale of the Constitution, and that great l danger
a'
would arise if they were longer excluded from it, lie 'o
voted in favour of this measure, because he was convinced that,
by so cluing, he should diminish the number of Catholics, ot`..
consequently increase the stability of the Established Chure"
Things could not remain long in the situation in which• they
were at present. The question nifait be settled ; and in
other way could it be safely settled than by conceding to the
Catholics the rights they demanded, Until such concession
were made to them, the prosperity of Ireland must inevitabil,
be retarded.--(Question, question.)
Mr. GOULBURN said, that if he could be induced to-he"
Liebe, that by acceding to the present Bill the House would PIT;
duce general conciliation and tranquillity in Ireland, he shan'd.
have no hesitation in following the honest and manl; course of
the Member for Armagh, and an giving to it his decided appro-
bation. He. could not, however, bring himself to entertain such'
a beliefaand•lie must therefore repeat the objections which he
had formerly urged against this measure. He could not ig'l'oo
in the sentiments expressed by the lion. Member for the coned
of Galway. To tell him that the Catholics of Ireland dernania,
ed these concessions, and that if they were refused, they vinti,ia
take them by force, was not an argument to which he cool
listen. Ile was willing to yield to the voice of reason, but
would be the last man to give way to any think like a threat 0!:,i,„
question of this nature.---(Hear !)—lle had been hostile to “I',o •
measure on former occasions, on the very same grounds that
was DOW. He held it to be inconsistent with the British Cc;,
stitution, which was indissolubly united with the church eg`eta
Main-tient : he held it to be inconsistent with the first ea' ao
plea of that Constitution, to admit those within its tale `lit
were actuated by religious feelings of the most bitter hosttba
to the Church bf Englanda He agreed with the lion. igen'
for Corfe-Castle in thinking that u they should give their woof
tion,to this Sill, theywould depart from the ancient ptinciPle.v.
the Constitution. , The ,ConStitution was built upon this Pr?;,ta
ciple—to exclude 'every thing that was dangerous to its enc.
ence, and to guard against any, evil which it foresaw by ebeacia,.
ing its operation.they were told to neglect that prinew
and to trust-to the securities which had been formed to nentr!„
lire the effects of the evil apprehended in the present instai:latcy
He was not disposed to take that advice, but felt inelineo
adhere to the old princle, and not to desert it for the nevi:o
His Hon. and Learned Friend behind him (Mr. North), in "•:4e
part of his' speech had doubted whether any danger could ar; 'n
from granting these concessions to the Catholics; and yet le
another part of his.speech had admitted that he did behold snlneft
danger, but a dangeraliat was remote in its operation. lje his Learned Friend to reconcile this inconsistency as he ce.-aar
He should merely remade-that the Bill itself admitted ni,
there was some.danger. If there were net, why. should itcc'er,
, lain many precautions? why should it contain a special die.
tificate as to the loyalty of the bishops ?—(Great uproar in or
House.)—The securities which the Bill gave against the
the
prehended danger were of three kinds—the first kind was still
declarations in the preamble ; the second, tike oaths in the
alt.'.
itself; and the third, the commission formed to controul ru
tercourse cf the bishops with the Court of Rome. He WI rola..
ceeding to show that .they were all inefficient, when the incr tis
ing noise in the House and the cries of "adjourn," eou're
ed him to desist.
Mr. PEEL' complained of the interruption which was ihoa.,
to his Right Honourable Friend.. His Right Hon. Frienti_o,
had no opportunity of declaring his sentiments upon this cl;:ent
tion, and had been anxious to declare them on the PI Tae
t.
evening. If it should be I.!e opinion of the House that tOeiec-
was now come at which they ought to adjourn, he had no l'abti'ars,s
iion to it, provided' it were understood that his Hon. Fria'
in:possession of the House on the next evening. hie!'
Mr. BROUGHAM said, 'that from the manner in tit
Hon. Members were leaving the House, it was evident Urent.
would be very inconvenient to proceed further at that inei'Aan`
He believed that no disrespect was intended to the Right aiitt
Seeretary, but that Gentlethen were leaving the House a'„ tr!
moment because they were aware that 'their votes would. I,l_vior,
wanted on the present evening. He fully concurred lyltn in
Peel, that the Right-Hon. Gentleman should be considered a.
possession of the House when the debate was re-opened '
future evening. 550"
It was then agreectto adjourn the debate. Some disco Tor..
arose as to whether theaadjourntnent of it should be till tu;,ersan
row or till Thursday.' It w.s-at last settled, after a eon Ark
tion across the-table between Mr.'PEEL 'and Mr. Buot;G.-14301‘1.--
which was inaudible in thegallery, that the adjournment ss;
be till• Thursday. • and The other Order's or the bay' were then disposed of, .
House adjourned at'ONia O'Ctocx.

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• His Grace the Duke of. H ATOL has dispos"A • "
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his interest is) the Isle of Man, and of conoe
patronage. Three general officers of distinatillo
have applied for the highest situation in
island.—(Glasgozo Chronicle.)

A new private road is now making for the
venience of the Archbishop of CANTERBLIFt7itte
It is to. run from. Stangate, at the back °'..o.itti
Mitre, to the back of the Sawyers. The .014'
will then extend over the gardens to filinif,"9 Vieth'
Palate. It is said the tower used as ,a to
the LoHants, and refraCtory Ecclesiasticsl3o.:
come down. This project, under judici°°s
rangement, might be made highly advantagiethe
to the public. The walk on the banks ° cAjoe
River will become a beautiful premenoir, tn
.o4Pr,
it•should border a gay public road leading
the grounds of Lambeth Palace to the main r-eilts
It is understood that considerable improYen:oad,
are in contemplation, and that a carrlageg•
r riea
which has been long wanting, will be ,caaagb
from the foot of Westminster-brifige,
Lambeth, to Vauxhall.