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(Sittings in Banco.)
TRH WEEKLY DISPATCH.—TILE DUKE OF BRUNSWICK
V. HARMER.
Sir FREDERICK TRESIGER said—My Lords, in this
case, which was tried before Lord Denman, at the sit-
tings here last term, and in which a verdict was found
for the plaintiff, with 5001. damages, I am instructed to
apply to your Lordships for a rule to show cause
why there should not b 3 a new trial, on the ground
of misdirection ; also upon an affidavit which I shall
have to produce to your Lordships. This was an
action brought by the Duke of Brunswick
against the proprietor of the Weekly Dispatch
newspaper for various alleged libels contained in
that. paper. The declaration was rather of an extra-
ordinary character ; there were five counts in it, the
first belog upon a libel alleged to have been published
is the month of September, 1830, being nineteen
years ago. There were four other counts, which
list of all stated this libel of September, 1830,
and then alleged further maliciously contriving and
intending to injure the plaintiff, published further
libels in the year 1847, the last of them being on the
1.),„h of March, 1848. The defendant pleaded, with
respect to the whole of the declaration which
v;a3 connected with the libel of the year
1830, the Statute of Limitation ; and as to the
Lair other libels contained in the four other counts
be pleaded not guilty. My Lords, I may as well
admit at once that if the question had depended
upon the libel that was published in the month
of September, 1830, it would have been quite
impossible fof me to have contended that the various
passages in the article in question were within the fair
and legitimate province of the editor, even with regard
to a public character like the Duke of Brunswick ;
but I have no doubt whatever that if that libel had
been entirely out of the question, all the others
comprised under the plea of "not guilty" might have
been satisfactorily shown not to have exceeded
these limits ; and therefore it was of course
of great importance that we should ascer-
tain what consideration was given to the plea
of the Statute of Limitations, which of course
referred to the libel of 1830. The Duke of Bruns-
wick conducted his own case, and he seems to enjoy
peculiar advantage in consequence, for he does
not employ counsel. He called a person who described
himself as Captain Rennault, who stated that before
the 14th of March, 1848—why he fixed that day I
am at a loss to understand—but he stated before the
14th of March, 1848, he went to the Weekly Dis-
Fitch office, and called for various newspapers,
Some of the date of 1837, the dates of the
libels, and one of the 19th of September, 1830. The
person who was present in the shop stated he would
look amongst the files of the old newspapers to see
hether be had a copy of the paper of the 19th of
September, 1830, and that he must call again on the
next day for an answer; and on the next day
he stated he went to the office of the Dispatch, and
there received the paper in question. In the course
of the examination he stated that he was sent by the
Duke of Beunswick to purchase that newspaper,
and that he delivered the paper to the Duke
himself. At the trial there were two copies of
the paper of the 19th of Sept., 1830, produced—one
which had been filed in the British Museum, which was
brought from there ; the other was the one which was
alleged to have been purchased by Captain Rennault
and delivered to the Duke, having been marked by
him so as to enable him to identify it in the manner
I have described. I insisted at the trial that with
regard to the libel of 1830 there had been no
publication within six years, and I suggested
also that supposing his Lordship decided against me
on that point that there was sufficient publication,
still that the jury ought to be warned that
they were not to give damages for the publica-
tion in 1830, but that they were to look
at the circumstances of ;the publication in
1848, and that they were to assess their damages in
respect of the damage which they might suppose to
have resulted to the Duke from the publication
in a later year. Hie Lordship was of opinion
that he ought to caution the jury in that
way. The whole case went to the jury as an in-
tended republication of these libels and articles,
originally published in 1830, and the jury, as I have
already stated, gave a verdict for 5001. damages.
Now 1 respectfully submit to your Lordships that
Lord Denman was wrong, in the first place,
in holding that there was any publication at all of
this article of the 19 of September, 1830, within
the Aix years. I apprehend that in order to prove a
publication a civil action you must show a
publication of a libel to a third party and
it has been repeatedly held that although
it be perfectly true that if you send
a sealed letter to a person containing libellous
matter, that will he a sufficient publication to found
an indictment on, on account of its tendency to
load to a breach of the peace, yet that, in a
civil action, if you send a letter to a per-
son who happens to ba libelled in that
letter, it is no publication, because it is to him, and no
damage retails whatever from it. I take it, therefore,
to be perfectly tru, that, if the Duke of Brunswick
had himself gone to the Weekly Dispatch office, and
hid himssli become a purchaser of the newspaper of the
19th of September, 1830, that it couldl Lever for one
moment be contended, according to the authorities,
that there was a sufficient publication to render the
proprietors of the Weekly Dispatch liable in a
civil action. And if I em right in that
position, then I apprehend that when a party
sends a third person, as the Duke of Bruns-
wick did this Captain Rennault, to purchase for him
the paper containing the article in question, that it
is precisely the same as if the Duke of Bruns-
wick had himself gone and purchased it ; for the
party thus sent to purchase was the agent of
the Duke of Brunswick ; he was put into his place,
and after all the whole proceeding is neither more
nor less than a publication by the Duke of
Bruns wick himself. Now, your Lordships will ob-
serve, it is not like the case of a newspaper which has
been in recent circulation, and in which the Act of
Parliament has provided for a particular course of
proceeding to prove the publication—namely, by
enabling the party bringing an action to show by a
declaration filed at the Stamp-office who are its pro-
prietors, and the paper itself from the same establish-
ment, in order to show that it has been circulated
throughout the country, and that the party, therefore,
is not merely libelled in the particular copy
of the paper produced, but that he is libelled in the
paper wherever it has been circulated ; but in this
case the paper had become, to use a familiar ex-
pression, a dead letter altogether. It was
published the same as if it had been a
pamphlet forming a portion of the old stock on a
bookseller's shelf, and as if the Duke of Brunswick
had gone there himself and purchased it. And
although it would have been a very hard
case had the bookseller been punished for
selling it, yet it is possible, even under such circum-
stances, that the Duke of Brunswick might have
maintained an indictment against such a party for
having sold that pamphlet to him in his shop, but it
would have been no publication to the world. But it
is quite clear that the Duke of Brunswick could not
maintain a civil action, because no damage could have
been sustained, inasmuch as it was a publication
to himself. And, my Lords, there is an additional
reason here why this should not be regarded
as a publication, because your Lordships
can entertain no doubt whatever that, but
for the application of the Duke of Brunswick,
this paper would never have been published at all ;
and the Duke is therefore, I may say, guilty of
deceit, it' I may so speak, in sending to a
ewapaper office to induce the servants
of its proprietor to republis) a long forgotten
number, one which would never have been
put into publication again, but through the
instrumentality ,of the Duke himself, who com-
plains now of a publication caused solely
by himself. Your Lordships will observe that it
is necessary to prove that there was another publica-
tion within six years. He cannot rest upon the
publication of September, 1830. If there had been no
Statute of Limitations pleaded, it would;have been for
the jury to state what damage should be given for the
old, stale, forgotten libel, published more than eigh-
teen years ago. But inasmuch as by the Statute of
Limitations the Duke of Brunswick was obliged to
show that there was a publication within that period,
and the only paper produced is one which he
sent; his agent to purchase, and induced the proprietor
the paper to sell, it was just the same as if the
of
had gone to the shop and had himself carried it
away. Now Ido not know whether it is necessary that
I should state to your Lordships,
with regard to the
position I have ventured to lay clown, that if I send
. an agent to a shop to purchase a paper, it cannot be
any publication to a third party, and therefore that
.such a ...fact cannot be received, in order to
fe and claim for damages. I apprehend
that is con)a lately settled. I have looked through
various authorities, but I apprehend there is no
doubt about that, and I will not, therefore, trouble
the Court with them. Therefore, if that be so, am a.
Light in saying that if the Duke had gone himself
to the office for the purpose of purchasing the old
newspaper—for I lay great stress upon this not being
a newspaper not then or recently in circulation—if the
Duke himself had gone to purchase that newspaper,
can there be in your Lordships' opinion any
distinction between a purchase of that kind and the
purchase of a bcok which happened to have
laid for
,years upon a high shelf in a book-
seller's snop, of which perhaps no ether
copy might be in existence, and which
is purchased by the party himself, carried home
by him, and the publication of which he

himself was the occasion of? Can it be said or
01V I contended for a moment, under there circun?-
17- 4 stances, that a party is entitled to maintain
an action for deranges for any supposed injury
he
may imagine his reputation had received from a pub
lication of which he was the sole cause.
Mr. Justice COLERIDGE—Was it shown at the
trial that the paper was sold at the request of the
plaintiff?
Sir F. THESIGER—Yes, my Lord, it was distinctly
proved.
Mr. Justice COLERIDGE—I think you stated there
were two independent acts.
Sir F. THESIGER—Oh, no. I asked the wit-
ness if he was sent by any one to purchase the
paper, and he said he was. I then asked if
he was sent eby the Duke of Brunswick, and he
said " I was." " What did you do with it," I next
asked. He answered, "I gave it to the Duke, who
told me to mark it, as it might be wanted
afterwards." Why, such a course of proceeding
was in effect laying a trap, in order to have
an excuse for saying that an article had been
written aganist him, and I believe I am right
in saying that if the Duke had purchased the
paper himself he could not have maintained a
civil action. But I hold that in this transac-
tion the agent was just the same as
the Duke, because the Duke makes him an agent for
the publication. Therefore, I apprehend it is per-
fectly clear that he was not entitled to maintain an
action upon such a publication. My Lord, I need
hardly point out to you how vast an amount of
hardship would result to parties if such a
course as this were permitted. The person
who originally wrote may have been dead,
dead for several years, another person may have
become proprietor of the paper, and a party may
come to buy a copy of an old paper, and the person in
the shop not having the slightest notion of the
contents of a newspaper of such an old date,
and caring little or nothing about them, may not
hesitate to sell a paper which may be made the ground
of an action for libel, as in this case. And if a
person incite a publication of this kind,
and maintain an action, I appeehend the
danger and hardship upon the proprietors of news-
papers—upon new proprietors, I may say, as well as
upon old—would be great indeed. They have much
to answer for at present, but if this is to be laid down
as the law, they would indeed have much more to
answer for. But, at all events, supposing that this
was a publication such as would entitle the Duke to
receive damages, why, surely, the jury ought
to have been cautioned that the damages which
they were to estimate were not the damages
that would be commensurate for the libel, as
published in 1830, and circulated through-
out the country, but the damage which could be sus-
tained by the Duke himself, having procured an old
copy of the newspaper, and having a newspaper of
that kind in his possession.
Mr. Justice COLERIDGE—What did Lord Denman
state to the jury ?
Sir FREDERICK THESIGER—Lord Denman did not
say anything upon this point. I said to his Lordship,
"I don't know whether your Lordship thinks it
right to tell the jury that the question with
regard to the damages for the publication in 1830
must depend upon the damage sustained by the
publication in 1848, and the way in which it was
published," to which his Lordship replied, " I do not
think I should." I really think I have made out a
case for the rule for which I apply.
Their Lordships having consulted a few minutes,
Mr. Justice COLERIDGE said—Have you more to
urge on this point, or on any other?
Sir F. THESIGER said he had also to urge his
application on the ground of excessive damages,
while he also thought it right to bring an affidavit
before their Lordships with regard to the evidence of
the person Rennault.
Mr. Justice COLERIDGE said—With regard to the
point the Learned Counsel had been arguing, lie
should like to have the papers, in order that he might
consult Lord Denman.
Sir F. THESIGER observed, that as the discussion
arose upon the point whilst his Lordship was summing
up, he might have no note of ir. His own recollection,
however, was perfectly distinct upon the matter,
and he had no doubt Lord Denman would also re-
collect it. His friend Mr. Martin was with him,
and it was after communication with him that
he urged the point upon his Lordship, and
no doubt he took a note of it. With
regard to Captain Rennault, they proved
this, that he purchased this newspaper before the 14,11
of March, 1848. He said he knew it was prior to
that date, because on the 14th of March he went
abroad, he having provided himself with a passport
for the occasion. He wished their Lordships
to bear in mind that the two copies of
the 19th of September, 1830, were produced—one
from the British Museum, and the other alleged to
have been purchased by Capt. Rennault at the office
of the Dispatch. This person described himself as a
teacher of languages ; it appeared he was now studying
hat-making in the Borough. Front the affidavits
which he had it appeared that a person named Plum-
mer, a news-agent, had been applied to by a
person named Eason, early in 1848, to pro-
cure some numbers of the Satirist, and he
having done so, Eason requested him to procure three
or four numbers of the Weekly Dispatch published in
1847 and 1848, which he did. Eason then requested
him to obtain a paper of the 19th September, 1830.
lie first offered him is., then 55., and subsequently
he rose to 51. Mr. Plummer made inquiries,
and discovered that a person named Moat
had a file of the Weekly Dispatch for
1830, but he, on application, declined to sell
the copy of the particular paper. He, however,
agreed to sell the whole file for 31., upon which
Plummer said he would introduce him to the person
who had commissioned him to make the purchase,
who turned out to be Mr. Hoddy, the secretary to
the Duke of Brunswick, whose letters were intro-
duced into some of the libels in the year 1847, and
one of whose letters was produced at the trial by the
Duke of Brunswick. The money was paid, and the
file was delivered to Mr. Hoddy by Mr. Moat. This
was about the month of July or August, 1848.
Their Lordships would observe that Rennault said he
purchased his copy prior to the 14th of March, 1848.
He had the affidavit of two persons who were en-
gaged at the Weekly Dispatch:office—one, who had
been twenty-five years connected with that establish-
ment, said that in 1841 he displayed a list of all the
old newspapers prior to that date which were then
on hand, and subsequently, after retaining three or
four copies of the newspapers which had not been
disposed of, the. rest, were sold for waste paper.
He entered, the particulars, of those papers which
were found to be in the office in 1841
in a book, which was made an exhibit in this case,
and there was then in the office of the Weekly Dis-
patch a single copy of the paper of the 19th
September, 1830. He afterwards delivered all the
unsold copies to a Mr. Tibbets, who joined
in the affidavit, and who swears that he never had a
copy of the paper of the 19th of September, 1830,
and that he kept all the copies thus sold
to him for waste paper until the month
of November, 1848, when he delivered them
back to Mr . Wood of the Weekly Dispatch ; and
both Mr. WOod and Mr. Tibbets say that it was
quite impossible that any newspaper, of the 19th
September, 1830, could have been sold at the
Dispatch office between 1841 and 1848,
down to November 1848, for no paper of
the kind was in the office. Mr. Rennault said
that he purchased his copy of the paper at the
Dispatch office in March, 1848, and that he was
told to mark it
.in order that he might iden-
tify it in- future. Now, if he had purchased
prior to March, 1848, for what earthly reason, when
the Duke of Brunswick was in possession of this im-
portant paper, could his secretary be negotiating, in
July or August, 1848, for a file of the Weekly Dis-
patch of the year 1830 ? And when their Lordships
round that there were only two copies produced on the
trial, one from the British Museum and the other the
copy alleged to have been purchased by Rennault,
their Lordships must arrive at the con-
elusion that the copy alleged to have been
so purchased was the one on the file
sold by Mr. Moat in July or August,lB4B, and that
Rennault had converted that purchase from Moat to
the purpose of the trial, using it as a purchase
from the Weekly Dispatch office, and as sold in
March, 1848. Their Lordships would see that Ren-
nault must have told a falsehood for the purpose of
establishing the publication of the libel in 1848, and
obtaining damages.
Mr. Justice COLERIDGE asked if there was any
evidence to show that any inquiry had been made at
the office of the Weekly Dispatch for the paper in
question prior to the 14th March, 1848 ?
Sir F. THESIGER replied in the negative. There
was great difficulty in the way of obtaining such
proof. Various persons were employed in the
Weekly Dispatch office, one had since alx conded, and
another had died ; and, therefore, the fact required by
Lis Lerabhip could not be positively ascertained. But
then, perheps, he ought to add, that Mr. \Vccd and
Mr. Tibbits were the only persons who bed had
charge of the papers since 1841, and they state that
the pipers were kept under lock and key, and no
eepy could have teen sold without their
km,wledge.
tphae:n: Justice COLERIDGE—Then one cr other of
must have
Sir F. e been the person who searched for the
THESIGER said, no doubt that would have
been so.

Mr. Justice COLERIDGE inquired if they stated in
their affidavits that any inquiries had been made for
the paper in 1848 ?
Sir F. TDESIGER replied that they did not say one
word. Supposing even Rennault came in 1848, so
many parties Here in the habit of coming to the office
that it would be quite impossible for persons

employed there to swear es to those who came.
It was almost impossible to do so. It was also very
important to mention that Mr. Seele, ti.e de-
fendant's attorney, actually tried to get a paper
of the 19th of September, IS3O, for the purposes of
the trial, and that he could not procure one,
%d id' he thought strong additional evidence in
support of the affidavits of Mr. \Vood and Mr. Tibbits.
Ile trusted he had stated sufficient to induce the
Court to grant his application.
Mr. Justice COLERIDGE—Take a rule upon the last
point.
Rule nisi granted accordingly.

COMMON PLEAS-(THIS DA

CLARKE V. HUNT.
This action was brought to recover 191. for two dogs.
a retriever and a setter, and it was tried before the Sheriff
for Surrey, when a verdict for the full amount was found
for the plaintiff.
Mr. BURNEY applied for a rule nisi on the ground
that the sheriff ought to have nonsuited the plaintiff.
The de'enclant, it appeared, entered into a contract for
the purchase of the two dogs, reserving to himself the
nett of returning them if they did not suit him. One
of the dogs turned out to be Mel. ss for the purpose in-
tended, and he was desirous of returning it, but the
plaintiff refused to take it back, alleging at the trial
that the contract was a joint one, and could not ba re-
pudiated unless both the dons ware returned. On the
part of the defendant, it vs as now contended that the con-
tract was of a divisible nature, and that he might return
one dog and keep another.
The COURT thought the verdict returned by the jury
was a proper one, for it there was a joint contract the
defendant ought to havo kept both, or returned both
dogs.—Applicalifuse_d.

THE PEACE CONGRESS.
GREAT MEETING AT MANCHESTER.
(retold OUR OWN REPORTER.)
Last night a crowded meeting was held in the Free
Trade hall, Manchester, to receive the report of the
delegates to the Peace Congress at Paris, and to meet a
toreign deputation consisting of M. Horacc Say, Coun-
cillor of State, M. Francesque Bouvet. M. Bastiat,
Members of the Chamber of Deputies; M. Puritan* M.
Guillaumin, editor of the Journal des Economistes; M.
Joseph Gamier, secretary of the Paris Peace Congress.
On the platform wero John Bright, Esq., M.P., E. Fry,
Esq., Sir Elkanah Armitage, President Mutton of Oberlin
College, United States, and many influential gentlemen
of the neighbourhood. Ricdarel Cobden, Esq., M.P.,
seas unavoidably prevented from being present. Thu
chair was taken at a little after seven o'clock by George
Wilson, E.sq.
The French deputation on their appearance were
greeted with repeated cheering.
The CHAIRMAN, in opening the proceedings, said that
for some years it had oaten afforded him great pleasure
to see this hall crowded with persona intent upon obtain-
ing information upon most of the great questions of the
day ; and he might say that speeches had been delivered
in this hall which had exercised an influence throughout
the world; yet he thought no meeting heretofore had been
held there which would have a greater effect upon future
generations than the present one. They had met to-
night to show that whatever cries Governments might
raise for national dt fences, there were in the country
men who thought that proper understanding might be
preserved by better means than by those which Govern-
ments had hitherto used. This was the third meeting
this week at which the foreign gentlemen presented
themselves; this was the third meeting in England which
had arisen out of that glorious Peace Congress at Paris
held this year. He need not allude to the rapid progress
of peace principles. Some time ago we had been terrified
by letters shooing that there was great danger that a
French flset would sail up the Thames some fine morn-
ing and run away with the Queen and the Lord Mayor.
Well, their fears had come to pass, an army of French
had invaded our shores, but instead of running away
wi;l. the Queen they had sent us their King.—(Laugh-
ter.) 'They bad dined at the Mansion House, but he
did not know the First Magistrate had been in any
great fear during the repast. The Peace Question was
One which would very soon have to be grappled with
by the Government, it would press upon them
for settlement in its moral and in its financial bearing.
There were great numbers of men in the country who
now thought that there were better uses to which to
apply the muscle and sinew of our population
than to employ them in aggressive war, other
methods of emplying surplus capital than in
laying it out on cannon-balls, other duties for
our clergy than to call upon them to degrade
their religion by consecrating the colours of the regi-
ments. The two great nations represented here had
often led the van in the field of battle, but de hoped from
ibis time forth that they would do all they could toge-
ther to repair the irijurles which they had done
to society. It would cost millions to raise
up another Wellington or another Napole n. It aas
time then to turn to other methods of employing the
energies of the two nations, and the results of such co-
operation would not be reckoned Ly the number of slain,
nor by the millions of debt, but by the universal benefits
conveyed to society.
Letters wero then read from Victor Hugo, Lamartine
the Archbishop of Paris, Gerardin, editor of La Presse
excusing themselves from being present on this occasion,
owing to political engagements. The names of these
gentlemen, especially that of M. de Lamartine, were
received with enthusiastic applause.
Mr. EDMUND FRY then came forward and said—
It was pleasant to him to have to speak of the
great kindness which had barn shown to the Beg.
fish and American delegates to the Peace Congress
!iy the French Government and people. The Peace
Congress Committee had now been organized one
year to which two duties had been committed. First,
that of instituting a series of operations in support o'
Mr. Cebdsn's projected motion in the House for the
substitution of arbitration treaties for war. Meetings
in pursuance of this duty had been held over the
country, and the consequence was that more than a
thousand petitions had been poured in upon the House
in support of those principles. A great effect had been
produced upon the House by these petitions, and on the
motion being brought forward, eighty-one members
voted in Mr. Cobden's minority. Toe second duty, to
make arrangements for the holding of a Peace Congress
at Paris, which had been suggested by the congress at
Brussels the year before. Certainly the Times news-
paper had attempted to sneer them down, but the friend of
peace were not to be put down by such means, and the
committee continued to make its arrangement?, and Mr.
Elihu I3urrit and Mr. Richards proceeded to Paris to
endeavour to institute a sympathy there, notwithstand-
irg that they had been told that the French people
were so essentially a war-loving people, and their
errand was not a fruitless one. But, in truth, on
trying the pulse of the principal men in France, they
encountered more encouragement than they had dared
to hope. In July, these gentlemen paid a second visit
to Paris to obtain authority for holding a Congress, as
Paris was in that time in a state of siege.
Having obtained thus from M. Dupont, Minister
of the Interior, and from him, as well as
from M. de Tocqueville, received the assurance
of the highest sympathy. The consequence was that
700 delegates from England and America were ready to
attend the Congress in Paris. These gentlemen were
received by the French Government with the highest
demonstrations of respect and confidence. During the
whole three days on which the Congress lasted,
riot one incident occurred to disturb the general
harmony. The result was that three resolutions
arrived at, the first expressing that the war system was
utterly opposed to the principles of justice, humanity,
end religion ; the second, that the principle of arbitra-
tion should be adopted by all nations, instead of war;
and thirdly, that as a result of the other two,
that all nations should proceed to a general
and simultaneous disarming. The whole Congress bad
passed amid the universal respect and adwiration of the
French people. He believed that if the Congress had
done nothing more, they had done this—they had pre-
vented the Government of France and the Government
at England ever going to war with each other.
l'hey had brought a new element into the
settlement of all inter-national disputes for evermore.
fie asked the foreign gentlemen now present, to tell the
French people, when they returned to their own country,
that for the future, when any point of dispute arose, send
hey were told by their newspapers that it could not be
settled except by war, to tell them, from what they had
seen in this country, that there was a spirit growing up
here, which would prevent for the future any sudden or
hasty return to the iniquitous system which had so long
prevailed; that there was a spirit growing in this coun-
Lnryoiyn over all th
which was tree euttecrenxty—
prressed by two hues in a song
Let those who make the quarrels
Be the
esoolnulty ranentofigh The firer resolution—" That
this meeting desiring
international arbitrationsadr
believing
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that
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oa:an
general disarmament, rejoices to hear of the signal
succees which attended the European Peace Congress
lately held at Paris, and of the unanimity which pre-
vailed in the deliberations of that large assembly"—was
then moved by Mr. A. Prentice, and seconded by Mr.
Alderman Harvey, the delegates from Manchester to the
Paris Peace Congress. After the resolution had been
put and carried,
Mr. BRIGHT. M.P., came forward amid repeated
c'ieers. He thought that the English people were emi.e
uently a practical people, and yet it they a ere to belies,
the dicta of certain wiseacres, the English people
had of late become a very visionary race,
seeking after all manner of impossible things
which they never could hope to attain. In
London and Birmingham the principal of peace
had b. en rapturously and enthus astically
ived by thousands of this practical pe ogle. The ques.
:ion was worth asking whether the present obje ct w hich
they were pursuing was visionary or not, whether it
was one they could ever ob:ain. Every morn-
ing the new: papers published what they called
" leade rs," but which he thought were now
got to be followers, and he believed that
as far as leaders went, the pablic puss had much less
ii flueece use r the piffle mind than it had before this
tune. The friends of the peace motemett came before
the peLlic in a more favourable position than
eny others, inasmuch as they advocated a question
Lich till men &lowed to no a blessir g. What
was their experience of war ? Woe d without
reckoning, treasure without reckoning, wasted industry,
poverty, taxes, and crime. One-half of the gaols of
England, one-half of the poor-houses in the land, were
the monuments of the wars of the last fifty years—wars
between this country and France. The principles of
pcaco which wero advocated here to night had
made such progress in this country and in America,
that he believed it was impossible that war
ever could arise upon any small question; but still, if

there were a treaty cf arbitration between'.the ts7o
countries, the war would be reneh red actually-
irnpos-
Armi:,e, and Ilzets were now only kepi up on
pretence; but if the arbitration scheme were adopted,
what miniscr or or what statesman would ever
dare to keep up armaments tor the purpose
of setting question which it had already been deter-
mined shuuld be settled in another manner. Where
armaments were put down, there would be more chance
of the spread of libcrty. For lock now at the state of
Europe. What was their state? Did kings rule? Did
the people ? No, the armies. And so it would ever be,
while the present system was continued. lie had had
put into his bands a resolution regarding the foreign
gentlemen here present, and in reading it over he could
not help thinking what a change had come over hint
since his childhood, when it was urged as a charge
against the French that they ate frogs, and it
was confh!ently affirmed that one Englishman was worth
ten Frenchmen. Ile hoped that the people of Man-
chester would give to the gentle men who had visited
them from France, that welcome which they so well
knew how to give. (The meeting here rose and cheered
enthusiastically for sever al minutes.) lie could
tell the gentlemen that • if they went further
north, they a ould find as enthusiastic a welcome
there as they had here found. And he hoped that when
they returned they would be able to tell their country-
men that there was a spirit abroad in England which
might he expressed in the words which had been put
by an English dramatist into the mouth of a French

dramatist—
" Take away the sword; states can be saved a ithout it."
The lien. Gentleman concluded by moving the second
resolution—" That this meeting rejoices in the oppor-
tunity of welcoming our French brethren to the manu-
facturing metropoliQ, and of acknoeledgivg to them per-
sonally the fraternal reception give n to the English dele-
gates at Paris by the Government and the people, and
expresses a confident belief that conferences such as
these will powerfully tend to remove long cheri.bed
feelings of hostile rivalry, and to fuse all nations into
ono peaceful brotherhood."
Mr. NEEDHAM seconded the resolution.
The CHAIRMAN then introduced the deputies from
France, who were each, on their appearance, received
with three distinct rounds.of applause.
M. Honace SAY then came forward, and said, it had
given him and the other members of the deputation
great pleasure to receive the invitation to attend this
meeting, though it was somewhat mingled with regret
that they had not been enabled to be introduced by
Richard Cobden. He was proud to meet the people of
Manchester, who had been foremost in all the great
questions of civil and religious liberty, in this palace
of free trade. France like England was now bending
under an accumulated weight of debt, the fruits and in-
heritance of a long series of wars; increased also by the
consequences of ktepieg up an army and nevy fit for
war in a time of peace. War had never been profitable
to France. In endeavouring to put down piracy, Frarce
had been conducted to the north coast of Africa, and had
taken p, ssession of Algiers. For twenty years they had
been sending annualy to that country 20,000 men
and millions of francs to nog ood. Truly, the Ministers
every year had congratulated the country upon the
opening of a fresh market for their manufactures. But
what sort of a market was it? They had certainly been
sending cut manufactures to Algiers, but they were ma-
nufactures which they had to buy with their own money,
sent out along with the manufacturers. This would always
be the fruitolsuch conquests. He was rejoiced to meet this
meeting of Manchester man, b • cause it contradicted the
line of a French poet who said, that " common sense was
exceedingly rare.'
M. F. BASTIAT then came forward, and said he dared
say that they all had heard of the dumb child who, seeing
his father in trouble, had been so much moved that he
had burst his bonds, and cried " Father take
care." He was in a similar state; he could only say
" Englishmen, I thank you from the bottom of my
heart." Eight years had elapsed since the night
of search question had called up the papers of both
countries, and two years ago a ridiculous cry of French
invasion had been raised, and who would have believed
that this year 51)0 Fri nehmen would visit England,
and that in the presence of such a large meeting,
a body of Frenchmen should be so enthusiastically
received. They had been called Utopian, but he
thought that all the auguries were in their faveur. They
were in the place where the great Curn-law League had
been established, they had one of the heroes of the cam-
paign, Mr. Bright, they deeply regretted the absence of
Mr. Cubden, and were not the proceedings of this even-
ing presided over by Mr. Wilson, the chairman of the
league, they had the same battle-field, and he did not
see any reason who they should not have the same

triumph.
M. GARNIER then proceeded to address the meeting
in French to the effect that he regretted not
being sufficiently ♦ersed in English to address
the meeting in that language; but he was so fur
competent as to catch some expressions which fell
from the chairman, respecting the flight of Louis Phi-
lippe to England, and his mind had instantly revelled
to the causes of that event—a reckless expenditure
in the ine instruments of war, in the absurd
fortifications which might yet perhaps be used
to build houses. The philosophers of France dur-
ing the list century had examined the prin-
ciples of commercial liberty, but it had remained for
Manchester to show that Commercial liberty was not en
utopian idea. He deplored the existence of an armed
peace. During his three days visit in England he had
gone from wonder to wonder, and the greatest of all
seemed to him to be this meeting.—(Hear, hear.) He
regrett d that the greatest poets of France, Victor
Lamartine, and Beranger, all friends of peace,
were not present at this meeting, to embody this meet-
ing in a glorious ode, which should take the place of
the " Rule 13ritinnia " and " Mursellaise."
Mr. BOTONNIER next addressed the meeting in French
to this t ffeet—He was happy and proud to fiud himself
in the Temple of Free Trade, and on a duty which had
secured commercial freedom for this country, and perhaps
ter all the world. There were individals in France who
could appreciate the brightness of the idea, hecauie it
was associated with the ideas of pre gress and l.berty
Light was beginning to penetrate France, and even as
tar as some o!. the greatest Protectionists in the Cham-
ber, for one of that party had lately moved for the im
portation of English printed good, not for the use of
French ladies, but fir purposes of re-exportation. He
looked forward with great pleasure to the exposition of
arts which was contemplated in England. He concluded
by wishing prosperity to the interests of England.
Mr. BEARD moved " That this meeting, considering
the greatness of the work to be accomplished, calls upon
all patriots and Christians for renewed personal and pe-
cuniary assistance, in the prosecution of the efforts for
the abolition of the system of war." He wished to
otpress to the meeting the deep gratification they had
given to him, by flocking together to welcome their
friends from the other side of the Channel. It had
been said that this was a magnificent spectacle,
but strangers did net know what a magnificent
spectacle. If he were to say that the wealth of
Manchester, the science, and the intelligence, he
was sure no one eould be able to contradict. In
this audience, he fancied he could see what would soon
be the case, nut in Manchester, or England, or in France,
but all over the world, countenances and minds which
would disdain to appeal to brute force to settle all the
disputes which might arise among them. Good men
were generally in the minority; but when they appealed
to bad means for a good end, put themselves on a level
with the majority. He thought that moral force alone;
which was divine, and came from God, was irresistible.
President MAHAM, of the Oberlin College, Ohio, Uni-
ted States, seconded the resolution.
After a vote of thanks to the Chairman, the large
meeting separated at a late hour.

corn and mid Green Tea continue to get larger, and
• former; terins:', there are not irenerally stilt rs ; the
bi Ater kieds are :yet dealt is with'eaution, and can be
3 asily obtained at late quetatioas.
Race:—To-day ih.Te was not much pas,ieg in East
• idia by privata treaty, and a public sate of 500 bags
B engal wcut at barely termer raats; mid white at 9s to
• ; 61, and damaged Gs Cl to 83 61. Of East India
• sruwroot 30 cases sold at 6d, and 86 pkgs West India
I.ld to is per lb. 65 cases Tampico 51d per lb.
SricEs.—There has been no public sale of Black Pep-
/ er this week, and former rates are supported. The
vs due of Malabar is from 3d to 3ii, half heavy 2-ad to
2?cl, and Sumatra 2;11 to 2i(l. Fur White Pepper the
arket is quiet, and at auction 120 bags were taken in
at LILL to 6d, but 6 bags of mid sold 40. Ginger met
w Lift little attention. At public sale 122
A ft lean went at 36a The value of Jamaica is from 4l
to noc 13arbadocs 343 to 363. East India export kind
195, ••o 25e, and home trade sort 40s to 1403. The
mask et for Pimento is still firm, and few parcels
are to be obtained. There are several buyers '
of amid and good at 4id to 5d per lb. For
Cr Asia Lignea prices ate nominal. On Wednesday
IL 0 cbts will be offered at public sale. Holders of Cloves
sti 11 remain firm, and obtain Is 6cl to 2s ld for Ben-
coc-len, and is 3d to is 9cl for Penang. At auction 10
bars of Zanaibar fetched 7,id. Mace by private treaty
Iron 2s 2d to 2s Btl, and old 24 to 2s Id. Nutmegs at
put lie sale 7 es were taken in at 2s 10d to 3s 2d; the
vaaue of better sort is from 3s 3d to 43 per lb.
SPreters.—For Leeward Island Rum a good trade has
been concluded, whilst the rates raid are from Is 51 to
Is Sid por gallon proof. Of East India a fair quantity has
been sole. at Is 31 to is 3:ld proof. The terms obtained for
Jamaica are fully t quad to last Friday, and the home as
well as E xport demand is good. Ot Demerara some
parcels leave been sold at 23 to 2s 3d fur 30 to 40 per
cent over proof. Brandy is not much in demand. We
quote Cognac, best brands of the vintage of 1848 at 4s 2d to
4s 4d, 1847 ditto 4: 9d to 4s 11(1, 1846 ditto 5s 8(1 to
5s 101, 1845 ditto 6s 21 to Gs 41, interior sorts 2. 8d to
4s 2d, and Bordeaux 2s 41 to 2s 63. Geneva is 9d to
Is 10d, and fine 2s 31 to 3,3 d. There is yet no variation
in the value of British made spirit.•
INDIGO.—Since the termination of the quarterly sales
of East India purchases to a fair extent have been made
by shippers and home dealer:, at fully former rates. The
demand for fipanish is steady et late rates.
FRUIT.—We have no alteration to notice in Currants
this week. In old Currants a large business has been
done since our last. About three cargoes were sold
from 34s to 34s 61. The maiket for new Valencia
Raisins is rather brisker, and some of the importers, who
were selling at 41s, are now asking 425. Denia Raisins
in baskets:are is dearer. There is considerable inquiry
for fine Figs and Muscatels.
SALTPETRE.—To day the market
.for Rough pre-
sented a quiet appearance, and a public sale of 250 bags
went at barely former rates, Calcutta 8i per cent selling
at 26s 6d to 273 per cwt.
Cc.curNEar...—This afternoon the public sales of 180
bags of Chineal went off quietly at rather lower terms,
and not above half sold—Honduras silvers, low to good
mid went at 3s 51 to 33 Ild, black 3s 10d to 4s Ild, and
Mexican silvers 3s 5d per lb.
TALLOW.—This afternoon at public sale 1,900 pks
American Tallow went at from 32s to 375, and 1,200
pkgs Sydney at 33s 6d to 36s per cwt ; the chief part
sold, but prices are lower.
Oils.—lbis afternoon at public sale 1,000 casks of
Cocoa Nut Oil were only in part sold, at 32s 3d to 355
,er cwt; 20 tuns of Sperm went at from 821 to 821 103.

SCIIUO.• •• •• •• •• •• •

BANK OF ENGLAND.
(From this night's Gazette.)
Nit Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victoria, cap. 32, for
the Week ending on Saturday, the 27th day of October, ISO.
issuz DZPARTMENT.

Notes i55ued........ 28,470,565

Government debt 11.015,100
Other securities • • 9,981,900
Gold coin and bullion 11,193,488
Silver bullion •• • • •• 277,077

f.uted from the returns made in the week ending October
1849, is 245, 101. per cwt.

COURSE OF EXCH
.......... 12 3

at right • 12 1;4
P,,,etc,tlz.;.n 12 3
25 50
fiamburgh M.ll. 13 14
litona• • ...„ ••
Paris, 3 dayesight . • 25 52',
Ditto, 3 months ..., 25 75.,

•........... 25 77%
. 25 77%
Frankfort on Maine.... 1221,i
Petersburgh, 811. 36
li,1•1111.... • •

Vienna, effec. fib...". 10
Trieste, ditto.... ••.... 10 56
Madrid .............. 49!<2
Cadiz 493
t311b:r0..•..•..........

Barcelona

LNGE.-t 'I'HIS DAY.)
• • ~ 31 15
.. •• • • .......... 2G 35
.. ..............
• • • • ....
les ...... • • .... 40%
r 7.lermo ,pc 0z........ 121%
Mcysina .............. 121%
Lisbon.... • • .......... 1;314
Jporto .... • • 53
ltio Janeiro • • ...... • •
"nienos Ayres .. ••.. • • --
Yew York, 21 days'ilght
Philadelphia ..........

PRICES OP BULLION, PEIt OZ.
Foreign Gold in bar5...43 17 9
Portugal Gold Coln .. 0 0 0
Spanish Doubloons .. 0 0 0
New Dollars ...... 0 4 le
Silver in bars ........ 0 4 11%

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