The Sun.
London, England, 1849-05-04 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, MAY 4, 1849.

the Bill alluded to was passed in 1844, and the applica-
tion was made to him in 1845.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY explained that it was in evi-
dence that the Commissioners for reducing the National
Debt were cognisant of the fact for years of the inset-
vency of the particular savings',banks referred to in Dub-
lin, and under these circumstances he did think it
monstrous that any one having the confidence of the
Government at the time, should have brought in a Bill
to relieve the trustees from liability.—(Hear.)
Mr. LABOUCHERE thought they were losing sight
of the question before the House, which was whether
the list proposed by the Hon. and Learned Member for
Dublin or the list proposed by his Right Hon. Friend
the Chancellor of the Exchequer should be adopted by

the House.
Mr. HERBERT said he was not at all surprised at
the course which had been pursued, as her Majesty's
Government had shown every desire to quash the pro-
posed inquiry altogether.—(Hear, hear.) Unless some
objection could be shown to the list proposed by the
Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, he hoped the
House would accept of it, instead of the one proposed by
the Right. Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer.
Lord BARRINGTON suggested that the Government
should appoint the present Committee i❑ the same way
as Select Committees were appointed.
Colonel RAWDON proposed, in the hope that some
arrangement might be come to, that the debate should
be adjourned.--(Oh, oh.)
Mr. HORSMAN approved of the proposal for an ad-
journment of the debate.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
that the House had better come to a decision at once ;
but if the House wished particularly to adjourn the ques-
tion, ho had no objection that it should be adjourned

sine die.
Mr. MONSELL thought that it would be extremely
undesirable to adjourn the question.
Mr. REYNOLDS believed that the wisest course
would be to adjourn.—(Loud cries of " Divide, divide.")
He begged to say that Mr. Grogan was the representa-
tive of these who most suffered in this business, and to
put him, an Irish Member, off the Committee, and force
Sir George Clerk, an English Member, on that Com-
mittee in his stead, was, he considered, to say the least
of it, most unfair.
The House then divided on the question whether Mr.
Grogan's name stand part of the question.
The amendment was that that of Sir George Clerk be
substituted.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For Mr. Grogan ... ••• 81
For Sir George Clerk ... 123
Majority in favour of Sir G. Clerk's name —42
The question was then put that Mr. G. A. Hamilton's
name be retained on the Committee.
The amendment of the Chancellor of the Exchequer
was, that that of Mr. Herries be substituted.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For Mr. Hamilton ... 61
For Mr. Herries 120
Majority in favour of Mr.Herries' name —59
Mr. HERBERT said he would not press the division
further.
Mr. REYNOLDS said, in the early part of the dis-
cussion he promised the House "sixteen divisions" on
the names proposed, and the House had but two ; so he
was " fourteen" in arrear.— (Laughter.) In conformity,
however, to Mr. Herbert's suggestion, he would not
press the divisions further. He, however, hoped the
House would keep a strong pressure on the Committee,
for it was the Chancellor of the Exchequer's Committee,
and not his.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER assured
the House that he would not throw any obstacles in the
way of a full and fair inquiry into the whole subject.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of,
and the House adjourned at twenty minutes past One
o'clock.