The Sun.
London, England, 1849-03-28 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON,
_WEDNESDAY EVENING, MARCH 28) IM9.

STANFIELD-HALL MURDERS.
NORFOLK ASSIZES—NORWICH, TUESDAY.
(Before Mr. Baron ROLFE.)
To-day Mr. Baron Rolfe opened the Criminal Court
for these assizes, at the Shire-hall, Castle-hill. The
atrocious murders at Stanfield•hall, the alleged perpe-
trator of which is to be tried at these assizes, has given
them an interest far exceeding an ordinary assize visi•
tation, and the city of Norwich is fast filling with visi-
tors from all parts of the surrounding district, anxious
to be present at the trial, although, from the size of the
court, comparatively few can be accommodated, beyond
those who are officially required to be present. To-day
the attendance was not numerous, as it was known that
the proceedings would be merely preliminary; but there
was a large attendance of magistrates, including the Earl
of Leicester (lord-lieutenant of the county), and other
gentlemen on the roll of the grand jury.
About eleven o'clock Mr. Baron Rolfe entered the
court, and the grand jury baying been sworn, with the
lion. Edward Keppel Wentworth Coke, M.P., as their
foreman, and the usual proclamation against vice and iro-

morality made,
The Learned JUDGE proceeded to charge the grand
jury. lie said—Gentlemen of the grand jury, I am
happy to be able say, on this, the first occasion that I
have had the honour to address you, that the present
calendar is not a very numerous one, nor, with one re-
markable exception, does it present any cases of very
great atrocity. But there are two or three to which I
think it necessary to call your attention, with a view to
guide you in the due discharge of your duty. (His
Lordship then commented upon the circumstances con-
nected with some of the other cases in the calendar, and
then proceeded.) I have now addressed to you all
the observations which I think it necessary to
make of this character with the single excep-
tion of that atrocious case which I hinted at
in opening my address ; and you may possibly
expect that upon this case I shall make many
observations. But having read over the depositions in
the case, on the most mature reflection I think I shall
best discharge my duty by saying little or nothing ; and
for this reason—the party is charged, as you know—for
I need not pretend to doubt that—with the commission
of one and even of two murders, and of two other acts
which are very analogous to murder. Now, it is true
that cases of a charge of murder often present questions
of
,great nicety end difficulty. It is often difficult to
ascertain whether death was ccoasiolied by the particular
act charged, as in a charge of poisoning ; and we are
often obliged to grope in the dark to ascertain whether
death was occasioned by the wicked act charged against
the party, or by the visitation of God. There are other
crisis in which it is matter of great difficulty and nicety
to distinguish between acts of murder and those of
manslaughter ; nod no doubt other difficulties will
e..,..5]y suggest thmiselves to your minds. And
when cases of this kind occur, it is the
clut.y of the ju'ige to point out to the jury what the
liars of demarcation and distinction are, with a
vieev to help them to arrive at -a reasonable conclusion.
But in this czne there is no sort of difficulty. Here it is
clear to demonstration that a barbarous murder has
been committed by somebody. There is no question
here as to what caused death—there is no question as
to the character of the offence—the single question is;
whose was the:haucl that did it? I have, therefore, nu
observations to make on this case which are not common
to all CP.SCS that come under the cognizance of the courts
of law. You will have the depositions before you, first
of the parties who were mere or less present at the
commission of the crime, and who will speak, or who
are represented as speaking with more or less certainty
of the prisoner as the party by whom the act was per-
petrated. That is a sort of evidence which the human
mind eagerly grasps at; and yet it is necessary to look
upon evidence of that kind with mere suspi-
cion than upon other evidence, which, at the
first blush, may not appear to be so direct to the point;
and for this reason, which all experience goes to
conticrin that no one is so apt to be mistaken as when
speaking of a person who Las been concerned in a sun-
den outrage when they have had little time to observe
his appearance. That is a general observation, but un-
doubtedly its effect may be weakened; where more than
one speak to the identity of the party, or where the
parties have been known before the doubts which attach
to this kind of evidence may be removed. You will
have before you some evidence of that sort. You wilt

also have other evidence tending to fix:the guilt upon the
prisoner in consequence of his conduct about the time.
It will be for you to consider that conduct, and to
judge whether it is consistent with guilt or with in-
nocecce. Farther, you will have evidence tending to
show that there were great and important motives in-
ducing him to commit the act charged against
him. Now, the absence of motives in any case
proves nothing, if the act itself be otherwise clearly
established; for who can dive into the human heart to
say what a man's motives are? But when the question is
who committed the crime, it is a satisfaction to the mind
to know that attaching to a particular party there are
circumstances which might have induced the party to set
about the commission of this particular offence. You
have, therefore, what may be called evidence a priori—
evidence at the time, and evidence of his conduct after-
wards. It is for you to view this evidence, carefully
divesting your minds, as lam sure you will, of all that
you may have heard beforehand, and to consider, does
the evidence satisfy you that the prisoner is the guilty
party. If so, you will find the bill against the prisoner;
if not, your duty to the prisoner, and I may add, your
duty to the country, will induce you to throw out the
bill. Gentlemen, I have no other observations to ad-
dress to you, and I now request that you will proceed in
your duty.
The grand jury then retired, and several bills were
laid before them, which they returned, and the trials
proceeded. We understand that the bills in the case of
Rush will not be laid before them till tomorrow.

ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE.
HOME ClRCUlT.—Kingston, March 27.
CIVIL SlDE.—(Before Mr. Baron PARKE and a Com.

mon Jury.)
LOUTH V. DRUMMOND, ESQ., M.P.
This was an action to recover a sum of money upon a
contract alleged to have been entered into by the de-
fendant to engage the plaintiff as bailiff for a year, and
to give him 1004 salary and other emoluments.
The defendant pleaded that he had never made such a
contract, and paid 141. into court as satisfaction of the
plaintiff's claim.
Sergeant Shee and Mr. Brown were for the plaintiff,
and Mr. M.
,Chambers and Mr. Peacock fur the de-
fendant. _ _

It appeared that the plaintiff in this action had for..
merly been a farmer, and extensively engaged in agri-
cultural pursuits, 'and for four years he had been farm
bailiff and steward to Sir William Geary upon his estate
at Oxenheath, near Tunbridge. In September, 1847,
Sir William having declined farming, the services of the
plaintiff were no longer required, and he then put an
advertisement in a daily paper offering himself in a
similar capacity to :any other gentleman who might be
in want of a bailiff. The defendant, who is the
Member for West Surrey, and who has an estate
at Albury, near Guildford, answered the, advertise-
ment, and in due course the parties met, and it would
appear that Mr. Drummond was referred to Sir W.
Geary with regard to the plaintiff's ability, and that he
was satisfied with the answer; and on the 20th of Octo-
ber the plaintiff was engaged by him for a year as a
principal bailiff or steward, at a salary of 100/. a year;
and he was, in addition, to be allowed a house to live in,
and vegetables, and milk and butter for his family, and
also keep for his horse. In pursuance of this agreement
the plaintiff removed from Sir W. Geary's with his wife
and all his furniture, and took up his residence in the
house provided for him upon the estate of the de-
fendant, and entered upon his duties; and it did not
appear that the defendant made any complaint respect-
ing him. After he had been a few days at Albury he
was desirous of returning to Oxenheath, to attend the
sale of some stock for Lady Geary, and ho applied to
Mr. Drummond for permission to do so, which he
granted; and the plaintiff, accordingly, had only been
away a very few days, when, to his surprise, he
received a letter from Mr. Drummond informing
him that ho must have perceived before that time that
the place did not suit him; that he (Mr. Drummond) did
not want a bailiff merely to give orders, which he could
do himself; but that he wanted some one to see that
they were attended to, which, as ho (plaintiff) was al-
ways in the house, he could not do, and it concluded by
advising him to get Lady Geary to recommend him to
some other situation. The plaintiff at this time had
not been more than a fortnight in Mr. Drummond's
service, and there had never been any complaint made
against him, and he was, therefore, quite astonished at
receiving such an instruction. He immediately returned
to Albury, and at his reqnest a gentleman named
Ramsay called upon the defendaut in order to endeavour
to effect some arrangement; but it appeared that, al-
though Mr. Drummond did not allege any ground of
complaint against the plaintiff, he insisted upon
his leaving the premises, and asserted his right to dis-
charge him at a month's notice, as though he had been
an ordinary menial servant. It would appear that a
few days after this the plaintiff received a letter from
Mr. Drummond, informing him that he had instructed
his attorney to take the necessary steps to turn him out
of the house which he occupied if he did not remove, as
he wanted the house himself, and on the 27th of De-
cember the plaintiff was forcibly expelled, and all his
furniture was removed from the house by several men
acting under the authority of the defendant. The pre-
sent action was brought to recover the sum of 1951., 1001.
being for the year's salary, and the remainder for the
house rent and additional allowances that were agreed
upon to be given by the defendant.
A number of witnesses, farmers and others, were exa-
mined for the purpose of showing the competency of the
plaintiff to fulfil the duties of the situation he had un-
dertaken, and it appeared from their testimony that he
had managed a farm of 1,700 acres for Sir W. Geary, and
chat he had materially improved the estate. It was also
stated that ho was a capital judge of stock, and that
his. stock was very much admired, and it appeared that
whilection.n i Sir William's service he had given entire satis-
fa
Mr. Ramsay, the gentleman referred to in_ the..abo.ve
statement, proved that he had known the plaintiff for
his request he called upon Mr.
twenty years, and at
arrangement could lade made,
apNaerkhikea-s,
Drummond to see if any
dmonea
hsteatge
and; he handed him
aonvderthtehneg
went smo
or af.
balance that was due,
the accounts. After this had been
statenamt of the plaintiff's demand,
and uspaoidn
Drummond a
him, which was 1951. 155.; and be looked at it
he did not think it was so much. Witness then told him
that he had understood the plaintiff was hired as steward
for a year, and in that case he was entitled to six months'
warning, the same as fora farm. The defendant
year, but seemed to think
ad-
mitted he had hired him for a
he had the pow< r of &soh., ging him Ly a reeloth's noti, e.
17.tnesa then inquired it he had anything to complain
of respecting the plaintiff that he wished to get rid of
him so "quickly; and he replied that he bad no com-
plaint to make, but it did not :nit him to keep him,

Witness then said that he could not go away imme-
diately, and reminded the defendant that he had incurred
a considerable expense in bringing his things to A lbury;
to which the defendant replied, " I can't help that." Be-
fore he left, the defendant said he had received a good
character of the plaintiff from Lady Geary, and he should
give him the same.
Evidence was then given to show the forcible removal
of the plaintiff from his cottage by persons acting under
the authority:of the defendant. The horse was turned
loose out of the stable ; his goods were put into the
street, and he was obliged to take up his abode for the
night in the village public-house.
Mr. CHAMBERS, for the defendant, relied upon three
points—first, that the contract had not been established;
secondly, that the plaintiff, by giving up the keys, and
rendering up his account, had himself cancelled the con-
tract, if one really existed; and, thirdly, that supposing
no contract existed, all that was required was a month's
notice, and that there was no difference between the po-
sition of the plaintiff, as bailiff, in this respect, and that
of any other farm servant.
Mr. Baron PARKE, in summing up, left it to the jury
to say whether the contract relied upon by the plaintiff
had been proved, and said, if they thought it had the
plaintiff was entitled to a verdict. He also left to them
the question whether it was their opinion that, according
to the custom of farming, a person in the position of a
bailiff or a steward might be discharged, under ordinary
circumstances, by merely receiving a month's notice.
The jury almost immediately returned a verdict for
the plaintiff for the full amount claimed, less the sum paid
into court.

His LORDSHIP then asked them their opinion with
regard to the power to discharge a bailiff by giving a
month's warning; and
The jury replied that such was not the custom.
HASPER V, REECE!.

In this case, which was said to be one of breach of
promise of marriage, Mr. Sergeant Sheo informed the
Court that the defendant had consented to a verdict pas-
sing against him, with 1001. damages.

OXFORD MC lllT.—Monmovth, March 26.
CROWN COURT.—(Before Mr. Justice COLTMAN.)
Frederick Williams, 22, pleaded Guilty to an indict-
ment charging him with stealing a pig's cheek, value 25.,
at Langstone, the property of James Bowen.
He was then tried on another indictment, which
charged him with cutting and wounding John Morgan, a
constable, in the execution of his duty, with intent to
kill and murder him. To this indictment he pleaded not
guilty.

- 'Die prisoner was committed by the magistrate on the
charge of stealing the cheek, and given into the custody
of the prosecutor, a constable, to take him to the Usk
gaol. lie was handcuffed to Morgan, and went quietly until
they came to the turnpike-gfite leading into the town
of Usk, when be observed that it was a hilly and moun-
tainous country, and immediately struck the officer a
violent blow on the head. A scuffle ensued, when both
fell; but the prisoner being the strongest man, mastered
the prosecutor, who, it would seem, was not deficient
in courage, but the odds were much against him; he was
thrown to the ground, the prisoner knelt on him, took a
knife, and tried to cut Morgan's throat, after which he
put his finger in his right eye, and endeavoured to force
it from the socket; the poor fellow managed to turn over
on his face to protect himself, when Williams cut him
with the knifo severely on the throat, forehead, and ear.
lie tried to get the key of the handcuffs from Morgan's
pockets, but did not succeed. A Mr. Churchill passed by
on horseback, and gave an alarm, on which the prisoner
attempted to cut his own throat, but Morgan prevented
him, and in doing so had two of his fingers and the back of
his hand badly cut. The prisoner was eventually secured
and lodged in gaol, the unfortunate constable was almost
smothered in blood, and in such a state that his rela-
tives could not recognise him. On surgical examination
of the prosecutor, Mr. Greatwood found a wound on the
right side of the face which partially divided the ear;
it was fire inches in length, and divided the integuments
completely, extending to the cheek bone. On the throat
were two wounds, one over the carotid artery, which
was greatly protected by the neckerchief Margan wore.
The prisoner was found Guilty on the fourth count,
charging him with assaulting an officer, with intent to
escape from legal custody.
Mr. Justice COLTMAN sentenced him to be transported
for 15 years, and ordered three guineas to be given to
the prosecutor.

No less than eight prisoners were transported in the
course of the day for sheep stealing and horse stealing.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
CLERKENWELL.
Jane Mathews, alias Mary Watt, was placed at the
bar before Mr. Combe fur final examination, charged
with stealing a banker's parcel, containing 3001. in gold
and silver money.
Mr. Bush attended for the prosecution, and a Mr.
Hare for the prisoner, and the court was excessively
crowded. The particulars of the case have already been
fully detailed.
Mr. Bush now said he had no further evidence to offer
against the prisoner.
Mr. COMBE inquired of the prisoner's solicitor-whether
the prisoner still persisted in giving the name of Mary
Watt ?
Mr. Hare—l am instructed to defend her by that name.
Prisoner (smiling)—My name is Jane Mathews.
Mr. Mould inserted that name in the depositions.
Mr. CostnE—Then the prisoner stands fully committed
to take her trial at the Central Criminal Court next ses-
sions.
Mr. Hare now applied to the Bench for the restoration
of six sovereigns and some silver, which were found on
the prisoner after her apprehension.
Mr. CONDE said he would not make any order
about it.
Mr. Hare—Then, I apply to your worship for the re-
storation of the key of the door to the apartments of the
prisoner, which contained her clothes and furniture, and
so there could be no pretence to say that they were dis-
honestly come by.
Mr. CO3IBE—I have no authority to make such order.
You can consult with the police-officer (Sergeant
Archer), who is an old experienced officer, and will do
everything that is reasonable and right in the matter.
Prisoner (laughing cheerfully)—Well, I suppose if
they decline giving me up my key, they (the police)
will have the kindness to pay my rent.—(Laughter.)
Mr. Hare said that magistrates frequently ordered the
officers to deliver up property found on prisoners, when
there was no proof of its being the produce of theft.
Mr. CO3IBE declined making any order on the subject.
Prisoner—Then what am I to do? I have not had a
change of apparel since I was first brought here.
Mr. Hare—We must apply to a judge.
Lockerby, S division, said he could give his reasons
why the Bench should refuse to make any order in re-
ference to the restoration of the property.
Mr. Hare said it was very hard to detain the pri-
soner's key, as the rent of the lodgings was going on,
and her furniture might ultimately be seised for rent.
Mr. COMBE repeated that he had no authority to make
any order, and referred her to the officers in the case.
The prisoner was then taken from the bar laughing
in
and when the gaoler's room, Archer, Lockerby, and
her solicitor had an interview with her, but the key nor
the property found upon her were not delivered up to
her, and in the course of the day she was conveyed to
Newgate in the police van. Since the last examination
the officers have used the most active exertions in order
to trace the retreat of the man who acted in conjunction
with the prisoner at the Cross Keys, but without
success.

MARKET INTELLIGENCE.

(From the London New Price Current, March 27.)

SUGAR.—Today importers of West India displayed
firmness, and refused to sell but at prices equal to those
of Friday; there was, however, little disposition evinced
by refiners or grocers to do business, and the private
purchases amounted to only 150 hhds and tierces. The
assortment at market was small, and chiefly of indifferent
quality. The public sales of Sugar declared for this week
are of little moment, which is to be attributed to stocks
in merchants hands being much reduced.
REFINED.—To•day Refined Goods were dealt in with
caution for home consumption; brown Lumps at 49s to
49s 6d, and Standard 50s 6d per cwt. The market for
Bonded Crushed Sugar is quiet, at former rates.
MAURITIUS.--This afternoon Mauritius Sugar was
dealt in with more readiness, and at public sale 3,100
bags sold at full rates; good and fine yellow fetched 39s
to 40s 6d, low to middling 37s to 38s 6d, ordinary to fine
grey 37s to 39s 6d, fine brown 36s to 36s 6d, and washed
35s to 38s.

EAST INDIA.—This afternoon Bengal Sugar was dealt
in with more readiness, and 750 bags at auction sold at
full rates; middling and good white Benares realised
405 6d to 41s 6d, damp and washed 40s to 41s. Of Pe-
nang 123 bags were sold at the full value; middling strong
syrupy yellow went at 365 6d to 37s 6d, ordinary 355.
105 casks Ceylon went at 33s to 34s 6d for ordinary
greyish yellow, and at 303 to 32s for brown.
FOREIGN.—This h i:nadft eprrni
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littleere w as
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con-
of
there are also sellers upon rather lower terms.
oFI ouFrie d
MOLASSES.—This afternoon the demand was not better
for East India Treacle, and 124 pkgs at auction were
taken in at 16s per cwt for good quality.
casks Plantation Ceylon Coffee are declared.
COFFEE.—For public competition on Thursday 400
Todaybag
s37there was a fair export demand for Coffee, and
the parcels sold privately realised full rates. Home
dealers continue to operate with caution, and 33s to 345
per cwt is the value of native Ceylon. There was no
public sale of any kind.
CocoA.—There is much firmness on the part of holders
of West India, and none has been offered at pubblic sale.
By private treaty much inquiry existed, and former
4
rates are well kept up. Trinidad red is worth 42s to
ss, fine 46s to 475, and low to fine grey 40s to 435.
Foreign is wanted, and the parcels sold were at 27s to
28s 6d. None has been offered at public sale, and pri-
vately a less amount is on offer.
TEA.—Holders of black are not disposed to accept
lower rates. On the part of the trade little disposition
has been manifested to do business. The value of low
and good ord Congou is lid to 8d per lb. Green has
been dealt in with caution; and there are sellers rather
under former rates; there is also an increased amount on
offer. For Scented and Pekoe Tea the market has a dull
aspect, and prices are on the decline. Public sales are
declared for Thursday; at present the quantity is 17,000
pkgs. For the sth of April 1,150 pkgs Assam.
EICE.—The public sales of Rice declared comprise
2,000 bags of Java, 2,000 pockets, 774 bags Bengal, and
100 trcs of Carolina. To-day East India Rice was dealt
in with greater freedom by private treaty. Several
parcels were sold; mid white Bengal 9s 6d, and pinky
Madras 7s 9d per cwt.
SAGO FLova.—The demand is good, and 420 bags at
auction scald at 16s 6d to 17s 6d per cwt.; th,hc are
rough both higher rht 8.
SALTI'L'" .RE.—There has been _an active demt:nd for
tes °t
c p ocrut ar trieonnt ;
pre the
fur
homear e 1 also consumptionrather
abovea
n d
those
TicaislY• At %tiotioll 1,000 bags 9f C§lctittis went britiklyi

31 to 51- per cent, refraction realised 28s 6d to 295, and,
17: per cent. 28s to 28s 61 British Refined 31s 6d to
32s per cwt. For Nitrate of Soda prices are on the ad-.
vance, and rule at 12s 6d to I3s per cwt.
INDIGO.—This afternoon a public sale of 88 serons of
Guatemala Indigo went at full rates. Sobres realised
3s 6d to 3s 11d, and Cortes 2s 10d to 3s 5d per lb. Th‘s
quantity of Java Indigo declared for public sale by th e
Dutch Trading Company is 5,400 pkgs.
FRUlT.—There has been much demand for Valencia
Raisins, and on the part of holders there is firtunessi.
The rates obtained are 38s to 395, and for prime 39s 60
to 40s per cwt. Denia met with little attention, and thi
rates taken are 29s to 30s. The stiff prices asked fot
Eleme caused the sales to be of little moment. Cur.
rants met with little attention for exportation, but home
dealers have been buyers to a fair extent at 35s to 4O
per cwt, at which holders are firm.

COCHINEAL.—To-day the public sales of 173 pkgs 01;
Cochineal went at full rates, and nearly all sold; Iler,r-
duras silvers realised 3s 103 to 4s 6d for ord to fine. I' rev
black 4s to 4s 6d, and Teneriffe 4s Id per lb. On Frid say
240 bags Cochineal will be offered at public sale.
SPICES.—There has been a good business done in
Black Pepper by private treaty at fully former rates ;
Sumatra 21 to 2td, Malabar 2-1 d to 2ici, and shot 3d t
313 per lb. None has been offered at auction. Whit(
is wanted, and the rates paid are from 4d to 9d for or 1
to fine ; the supply is also small. Of Pod, 24 pk,Ati
at auction were taken in at 50s per cwt. For Pimento t he
market is firm, but only small parcels have been s.ald
from 3Ad to 3id per lb. Nutmegs, low and middling
brown selling at 2s 4d to 2s 11d, good to fine 3s to
3s 10d, and limed at 2s to 2s 10d for ordinary to fit le,
Mace is wanted at 2s to 2s 6rl, and 2s 8d to 2s 10d for
fine. Ginger finds a more ready sale, and prices are on
the advance, as the supply is small. Jamaica is quo feel
at 6/ to 111 for good and fine quality, ()Cher
sorts 31 to 5/ 103, African and Bsrbadoes 28s to 3 la,
East India export sorts 22s to 255, arid home trade kir via
305 to 90s per cwt. Cassia Lignea is in scanty supp ly, ,
and there are several buyers at 90s to 96s per e arc.
Cinnamon is held with firmness. Fur Cassia Bu &a,
prices rule high, as the supply is scanty. Cloves are •in
more active demand; Bencoolen is quoted at is 3d to
Is 91 At auction 270 bags African sold at 7bl to
for middling dark.
Sraarrs.—Leeward Island finds a better sale at Is • Ll-3
to is 5d proof; these are also higher rates, and on tb e
part of holders there is much firmness, a small anacen it
is on offer. Demerara has been in excellent request, tar d
the parcels sold were at 2s to 2s 2d for 28 to 33 per cia it
over proof, and at 2s 3d to 2s 63 for stronger. Jamul ea
cannot be quoted higher, but exporters and home deals rs
operate with more freedom, and holders are less dispoa ed
to sell. The value of plain and mid quality 28 to 32 p
cent over proof is 2s 9.1 to 3s, better 34 to 36 over 3s 5 el
to 3$ Cd, tine and very superior 3s 83 to 4s 63. Form, or
rates arc well kept up for Brandy ' • home trade de-
liveries arc also upon a large scale, and imports are ligl, t.
On the part of holders there is also much firmnes s.
Geneva met with little attention, and a desire is °vines Ai
to sell ord at Is 91 to Is 10(1, and fine for duty at 2a to
3s 4d; the stock is gk tting upon a more extended se:a;e.
The m•Jrket is dull for British made Spirit, and tt e
price has been reduced 2d per gallon. To-day jia st
India Rum was in excellent request at 1 s 3:ld to Ira
proof, and several purchases were made in Leeward
Island. is 5d to Is 51d is the value of good quality
proof.

TALLovv.—Prices are on the decline for Russian •on
the .put and the trade continue to make purchases with
caution. There are aellers of fine P.Y. Candle at 40s, to
40s 3d per cwt, and the tendency is still to recede.
For delivery in the last three months of the y ear
a good business has been concluded at 41s 3d ti

41s 6d. Home melted is not much —wanted, —3lllll
is offered at 403 per cwt. net ca.h; the supply is also
greater than in the former week, and the consumptiot
is also getting smaller. For other sorts of Tall w ,a
further fall in the value is visible and the quantity on
uffer has been large. The parcels offered at auction
were n( arly all sold; 300 packages of New South
Wales went at from 35s 3d to 40s for low to fine; 792
ditto S tuth American, 34a 6d to 39s 6,1; 35 casks North.
American, 36s 3d to 38,i; 33 casks Tuscan, 3Ss to 395;
4 casks East India, 41s 6d; 5 casks Cape, 4ls, and
casks Petersburg Soap, 39s 9d per cwt. For auctici
the large quantity of 1,000 packages of Tallow is de'.
Glared.

OILS.—The amount of business concluded in Linsefad
Oil has been small, and former rates are not sup.
ported. There are sellers on the spot at 25s 9d per
cwt. For delivery the demand has been limited rat
26s to 26s 6d. Rape Oil, brown at 36s 6d, pale 37 s
to 38s, and Foreign 38s to 395. Palm, fine 34s to 35,5.
Olive has not risen in the value, but several purchases
have been made ; Gallipoli at 431 to 431 10s, and other
sorts 401 to 461 10s. Cocoa Nut, 345 to 37s per
cwt-, at which the market is firm. There is no change
for the better in the position of the market for Fish
Oils ; deliveries do not fall off, and imports are
of little moment. Of Cod only small parcels have
been sold at 261 103 to 271, and more desire is evinced
to realise. Seal has been dealt in with caution, and
prices are on the decline ; pale selling at 301 to 314
other sorts 271 to 291 103. In the market for
Southern there is much dulness, but as the supply 15
small, holders are enabled to obtain for trifling parcels
of ordinary and middling quality 281 to 291 los, and 301
to 321 for good to fine. A public sale of 100 tons flat)
Sperm Oil is declared for Friday.

MORTALITY in the METROPOLIS.
NUMBER OF DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES REGISTERED IN
THE WEEK ENDING SATURDAY, MARCH 24, 1849.
Epidemic, Endemic, and Contagious Diseases ...*236
Diseases of Uncertain Seat ... ~. 38
Turbercular Diseases... ... 174
Diseases of the Brain, Nerves, and Senses... ... 130
Diseases of the Heart and Blood-vessels 41
Diseases of the Lungs, and other Organs of
Respiration ... 179
Diseases of the Stomach, Liver, and other Organs
of Digestion... ... ••• •••
Diseases of the Kidneys, &c.
Childbirth, Diseases of the Uterus, & •..
Diseases of the Joints, Bones, and Muscles
Diseases of the Skin, ISLC• ••• ••• •••
Malformations...
Premature Birth ... •• •••
Atrophy ••• ••• ••• ••• •••
Old Age
Sudden ••• ••• ••• •• ••1 •••
Violence, Privation, Cold, or Intemperance
Causes not specified ...

... .59
... 18

... 13

... 26
... 29

... 30

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, March 27.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woo:
sack at Five o'clock.

The Bishop of CASHEL presented a petition from
an Irish clergyman, praying for an additional grant to
schools connected with the Established Church in Ire-
land, and gave notice of a question for Thursday to the
Ministers on the subject.

The Bishop of I:LANDAFF presented a petition in
favour of the Bill for the punishment of seduction.
PETTY SESSIONS BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL moved the second reading of the
Petty Sessions Bill. The object of the Bill was to give
magistrates the power of holding courts of petty session
in cities and boroughs in the same mlnneras in counties,
so that cities and boroughs should possess the
same privileges with regard to the constitution
of courts of petty session as counties. Another
object of the Bill was to enable magistrates to
hire premises for the holding of petty sessions, so that
they might not be obliged to hold the petty sessions in
places of public entertainment, and be exposed to the
fumes of gin and tobacco. In the other House the only
objection was that this portion of the Bill was not com-
pulsory; but the Noble Marquis (Salisbury) objected to
the Bill that it gave to the magistrates the
power of hiring a place for holding petty ses-
sions elsewhere than in places of public entertainment.
The Bill proposed to give to the Court of Quarter
Sessions power of ordering the en etion, purchase, or
hiring of proper places. for the holding of petty ses-
sions, the expense of which was to be defrayed out of
the county rates.

The Marquis of SALISBURY opposed the motion.
They would have to provide 750 places for holding petty
sessions, and these would cost at least 5001. each, which
sum would have to be defrayed out of the county rates.
He moved, as an amendment, that the Bill should be read
a second time that day six months.
The Earl of MALMESBURY also opposed the Bill,
on the ground of the increased burdens it would cast on
the distressed agricultural districts. It was not amo •
meat, when the country wes occupied with the great
question of local taxation, to bring forward such a pro
position as this. They should not agree to give any ad-
ditional powers to the county magistrates until the whole
system was revised. He also thought that personal pro-
perty should be made to contribute to the burden, as
real property was compelled to do.
Lord CAMPBELL having replied,
Lord STANLEY said that so largo a sum as 170,0001.
a year cn a single county should not be permitted to be
levied by the magistrates without the control of the rate-
plyers. Re hoped, at, all events, they would strike out
the clause which enabled the justices to provide accom-
molation for themselves, by erecting buildings which
might give rise to great abuses.
Lord BEAUMONT did not object to the provisions
of the Bill which extended the jurisdiction of the county
magistrates to cities and boroughs.
After a few words from the Earl of MALMESBURY,
The amendment was withdrawn, and the Bill was read
a second time.

The Out-door Paupers Bill was then read a third time,

_ .
AUSTRALIA.
Lord MONTEAGLE then rose to ask whether it was
the intention of Government to introduce a Bill during
the present session for effecting changes in the constitu-
tion of Austrzlia. ; and, if such intention was entertained,
whether the disratches or other papers would be laid be-
fore Parliament, showing whether such changes have
been made known to the Council, and to her Majesty's
subjects in Australia ?
Earl GREY said he was anxious to introduce the 8111,
and with that view had endeavoured to obtain a relaxa-
tion of the rules of the other House of Parliament, but
had nut succeeded. The papers alluded to hae been laid
before the other House of Parliament.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 27.
The SPEAKER took tho Chair at Four o'clock.
PRIVATE RUSINESS.
On the motion of Mr. BROTHERTON, it was agreed
hat the report from the Examiner of Petitions for Private
Bills, in the case of the petition for additional provie:on
in the Manchester, Shc nick', and Lincolnshire Railway
(consolidation and amendment of Acts) Bill, laid upon
the table of the House on'Friday, the 23d inst., be read;
and that it be an instruction to the Committee on the
Bill that they have power to make provision therein
pursuant to the prayer of said petition.
REPORTS.
The reports on the Argyll Canal (abandonment of
undertaking, &c.) Bill; and North-Western Railway
(extension of Lancaster branch, abandonment of Wit-
liams-land branch, New-road, to settle station, extension
of time for purchase of lands, and construction of works)
Bill were considered.
DUBLIN CONSOLIDATION, IMPROVEMENT,
WATERWORKS, AND SEWERS BILL.
Upon the motion for the second reading of this Bill,
Mr. TIMOTHY O'BRIEN moved, by way of an
amendment, that it be read a second time that day six
months.
Sir JOHN YARDE BULLER suggested that all the
Bills relating to the subject of improvements in Dublin
should be taken up by the Government, because it was
quite manifest that no amicable arrangement could be
come to by the parties in Dublin.
Sir WILLIAM SOMERVILLE said the Govern-
ment had taken very great trouble to bring about
some satisfactory arrangement between the parties, but he
regretted that their efforts had as yet been unsuccessful.
It was, however, right that they should consider the
general interests of the great bulk of the people in
Dublin, and he begged, to say that he was prepared,
provided he should receive the support of the Housa,
to bring in some measure which would obviate the ob-
jections entertained to the present Bills, and put an end
to the differences between the contending parties.
Mr. GROGAN said he had but one object in view—
vie., to get a good Bill for Dublin, and he would suggest
that the present Bills should not at once be thrown over-
board, but should remain in abeyance until the Right
Hon. Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland was in a posi-
tion to ascertain whether he could bring in a measure
that would meet with the satisfaction of the House.
Mr. S. HERBERT thought that the only chance of
getting a good Bill was to place the matter in the hands
of the Government, and he hoped the House would not
consent to the proposal of the Hon. Member, that the
Bills should remain in abeyance.
Mr. W. PATTEN recommended that all the Bills
should be at once withdrawn.
Mr. REYNOLDS said he had listened to the state-
ment of the Secretary for Ireland with great pleasure and
satisfaction, and he congratulated him and the House,
and the inhabitants of Dublin, who had so long been
under local mismanagement, that the powerful hand of
the Executive was about to be applied to the cor-
rection of the evils under which they now laboured.
So limited was the municipal franchise of the city of
Dublin, that instead of having a franchise of 20,000,
they had only one of 2,900. Besides, great dissimilarity
existed between the system pursued here and in Dublin.
These persons were rated to the poor at 41., and pos-
sessed a vote in Dublin, nor could they do so unless
they were rated for 10/.—(Hear, hear.) There the
administration of the rates was in the hands of seven
boards, six of which were self-elected, and who employed
69 collecters to gather in 200,0001. a year. Each board
consisted of a staff of commissioners, secretary, collec-
tors, and lawyers—lawyers without end—(Laughter)—
each, in fact, was a royal court in miniature, and each
estimated itself so highly that it would be as difficult to
get an interview with one of them as with a Prime Minis-
ter.—(Laughter.) Now he asked the House to relieve the
ratepayers from their intolerable burdens. He was
favourable to the withdrawal of the Bills, and if, when
altered, representation was made the basis of taxation,
he should assist the passage of them through the House
by every means in his power.
Mr. T. O'BRIEN would withdraw his amendment, on
the understanding that the second reading of both the
Bills should be postponed.
Mr. GROGAN could not consent to withdraw his
Bills.

Lord LINCOLN was of opinion that by refusing
to allow the Lord Mayor of Dublin to withdraw his
amendment, and by rejecting both Bills introduced
by Mr. Reynolds, the House would be much more
likely to conduce to the benefit of the city of Dublin.
M. HUME thought if the House postponed the
second reading of the Bills without limit, probably they
should not have any Bill brought in on the subject by
the Secretary for Ireland this session. He would beg
leave to suggest that those Bills should be postponed,
and that her Majesty's Government should undertake to
bring in a Bill. _ _

Sir W. SOMERVILLE thought the speech of the
Honourable Gentleman who had just sat down was not
very complimentary to him; ho proposed to keep those
two Bills hanging over his (Sir W. Somerville's) head,
in order to induce him to bring in a Bill.—(Hear, hear,
and a laugh.) He thought it should be preliminary to
any Bill being brought in by the Government that both
the Bills should be withdrawn or rejected.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL thought it was hard upon the
corporation of Dublin that their Bill should be given up.
If the Bill was allowed to stand over, the House would
be as competent to dismiss it a month hence as at this
moment.

The gallery was cleared for a division on the amend-
ment of the Lord Mayor of Dublin, " that the Bill bo read
a second time this day six months;" but on the re-admis-
sion of strangers, it was ascertained that the amendment
had been carried without a division.
DUBLIN CORPORATION WATERWORKS BILL.
On the motion that this Bill be read a second time, it
was moved as an amendment that the Bill be read a se-
cond time this day six months.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment ••• ... ... 126
Against it ... ... ... ... 34

Majority • •• • —92
The Dublin Improvement Bill was withdrawn.
Mr. REYNOLDS wished to ask the Right lion. the
Secretary for Ireland when it was likely that the Govern-
ment Bills would be introduced.
Sir W. SOMERVIL•LE replied, as soon after Easter
as possible.

BAKEHOUSES.
Mr. STAFFORD gave notice, on behalf of the
Noble Lord the Member for Middlesex, that on an
early. day he should move for leave to bring in a Bill
for limiting the manufacture of bread in bakehouses to
certain hours of the night.
POOR-LAWS (IRELAND.)
Sir JOHN YOUNG brought up the additional report
or the Select Committee on the poor-laws (Ireland).
HIGHWAYS IN SOUTH WALES.
Viscount EMLYN asked the Under-Secretary of State
for the Home Department, whether it was the inteution
o! !ter llaje:3ty's Gc.vemtacnt to introduce mtr.v intasure
for the mu:cm:molt or the highways in south Wide 6
during the present
kir. C. LEWIS said the Government had found it '
impossible to bring South Wlvles within thee 'scope

of the Bill at present before the House with
respect to the management of highways and i
turnpike trusts; but if that measure received the
satisfaction of the Hcuse it was the intention of tho
' Government to assimilate the law of South Wales to
that of the rest of the kingdom.
Mr. B, DENISON said, as a great number of county
Members would be called out of town next we ek
to attend their respective sessions, he wished to know
whether the Hon. Gentleman would have any objecti ore
to postpone the Bill for the present?
Mr. C. LEWIS said, in order to meet the gene cal
convenience of the House, he would postpone the second
reading of the Bill until the 18th of April, the first
Wednesday after the Easter recass.
HUDSON'S BAY COMPANY.
Mr. GLADSTONE asked the Under-Secretary for
the Colonies whether it is the intention of her
Majesty's Government to introduce during the pres ant
session any Bill for the purpose of adding to or
altering any of the provisions of existing statutes, has, ing
reference to the territories of the Hudson's Bay C. =-
patty in America, with a view of giving facilities to the
proceedings of the company, or of any settlement fore aed
under it in Vancouver's Island ; and if so, whether s ach
I3ill will certainly be introduced at an early period.
Mr. HAWES was heard imperfectly in the gallery,
but was undt rstood to reply that it was not the intention
of the Government to bring in any measure beyond t.b.at
vt hick was introduced into the House of Lords by his
Noble Friend the Secretary of State for the Colonies.
NOVA SCOTIA.

Mr. DISE AELI gave notice of :motion with refe-
rence to the grievances complained of by the inhabitants
of Nova Scotia.

BURIALS IN TOWNS.
Lord DUNCAN asked the Secretary of State for the
Home Department whether it was the intention of the
Government to bring in any measure for the prevention
of burials in large towns ?
Sir GEORGE GREY said such a Bill as that referred
to was in preparation.
TRANSPORTATION TO SOUTH AFRICA.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from the commis-
sioners, wardens, and others of Cape Town, Cape of Good
Hope, saying that the Government would act unjustly
if they converted that colony into a penal settlement.
Mr. MUTT rose to present a petition from the land-
owners of South Australia against transportation to that
part of her Majesty's dominions.
The SPEAKER said the petition did not relate to the
matter before the House.—(Laughter.)
Sir F. BUXTON presented a petition from the Abo-
rigines Protection Society against convicts being sent to
the Cape of Good Hope.
Mr. DISRAELI presented a petition from a large
landowner in Albany, South Africa, stating that in
accordance with the treaty vial the old Dutch settlers,
convicts could not be sent to that part of the world.
Mr. HUTT said he bad consulted the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department,
who had advised him that his petition related to the
subject before the House. He, therefore, begged
to seek the Speaker's permission to present the
petition; it was from Australia, and it prayed that the
transportation of convicts to South Africa might not be
followed by sending others to South Australia.
Mr. ADDERLEY having presented a petition against
transportation to the Cape, proceeded to move, " That
an humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying
that her Majesty will he graciously pleased, out of
consideration for the honourable pride and moral
weliare of her subjects the people of South Africa,
to order that this hitherto unpolluted colony may
be spared the disgrace and tfil ction of being
made a receptacle for the convicted criminals of the
mother country, whether as prisoners, free exiles, or
holders of tickets of leave." He should indeed deeply
regret if, in moving an address to the Queen
to relieve one of her colonies, from a great
infliction, anything he should say should be construed
into bearing the character of a personal attack. No-
thing, he assured the House, was further from his
mind than to bring forward, under the guise of
a great national grievance, an objection to the
policy and an implication of certain individuals
connected with the Colonial Administration. He be-
lieved be spoke plainly and distinctly when he said that
this question was the A B C of the problem which was
working to the destruction of our colonial empire.
He confessed that he did not see that any notions of
scrupulous delicacy should prevent him from fairly
stating to the House a great grievance of this kind.—
(Cries of "Hear, hear.") He had, the highest
respect for the character of Earl Grey, and
believe] that his administration would work well for the
colonies. In the outset, however, he wished to guard
the question Irons two misconstructions: first, lest the
House should think the question unimportant because it
was brought forward by one so little known to the
House in connexion with questions of great importance;
and 2ndly, lest from his unskilful handling of a question
of such grave importance it should be injured, or be
mixed up with extraneous matter. At any rate he was
totally unhampered by prejudice or party, and it would
be gratifying to the colonies to learn that a question of
this importance had not been brought forward through
the instrumentality of party feeling.—(Hear, hear.)
He represented a great portion of people who looked
with interest to the proper administration of the colo-
nies, &ce tied who were further desirous to learn
whether we were disposed to treat them as
slaves or as freemen ; whether they intended to
stultify their moral growth by contaminating
them with a demoralized population, or to treat
them as integral parts of the mother country.
With regard to the question itself, simply considered on
its own footing, he thought ho should best consult the
patience of the House and the interest of the question by
at once simply and shortly stating his case. His case was
this—that Lord Grey having decided on a new expe-
riment in convict discipline, involving, first, punishment
by confinement in the penitentiaries of this country as a
probationary state, and then, on their removal to our
penal settlements, by spreading the convicts under tickets
of leave over as large a range as possible of our depen-
dencies, had begun that new experiment by recommencing
transportation to New South Wales,ales, and by commencing for
the first time transportation to the Cape of Good Hope, not
only without consulting the authorities there, but had
done so also against the strong and general remon-
strance of the whole population of that colony.
He would not stop to question the value of the
consent of New South Wales. The consent of
a Legislative Council was not worth much ; but
what must the dissent of the Cape of Good Hope be,
which had found its way through tho narrow and
meagre channels of the public journals, and been sent
home by the Governor there, and which formed the subject
matter of that debate in that House? It must have been a
strong dissent. The justification of Lord Grey was that the
mother country having had to expend a certain sum of
money in conducting the Kafir war, the mother country
had a right to demand in return such services from the
colony. Now, he appealed to the House against the
impolicy of treating our dependencies in such a
manner, against the injustice so apparent, of
selecting a weak dependency to try the experiment upon
first, instead of trying it upon them all alike. He ap-
pealed to the House, to their sense of honour and their
love of freedom, and then to her Majesty herself, to wipe
off that taint from the equity of her administration,
and to wipe out as speedily as possible so flagrant
an act of capricious tyranny. He appealed to that House,
knowing its inclination, from the freedom of its debates,
to digress into collateral subjects, and he ap.
pealed to its interest in colonial questions not
to clog this question with any mat ter relating
merely to the philosophy of punishment.--(Hear, hear.)
Should any gentleman think that by avoiding the ques-
tion of secondary punishments he was blinking the sub-
ject before the House, he (Mr. Adderley) would remove
every such suspicion by saying he was ready for
the sake of argument during this debate
to admit all they wished on the question
of transportation. He would admit, for the sake of
argument, that those convicts sent out to the Cape of
Good Hope would be as serviceable to the
colonists as servants as they would be a good
riddance to this country. He would even further
admit, that if the Government were ready to
carry out the principle of this measure equally
and impartially to all the colonies, that
the greatest part of his accusation against them would
fall to the ground. Now, all that he had to do
was simply this, first to prove his allegations against the
Colonial Department, namely, that they bad sent con •
victs for the first time to the Gape of Good Hope, that
they had done it without consulting the colonists, and that
they had persisted in that course against their remon-
strance. Ile would then endeavour to prove that the
Cape, of all our colonies, had the most right to remon-
strate, and that this transaction on the part of the Noble
Lord (Grey), if sanctioned by the House, would be
a direct and public adoption of a retro-
grade movement in colonization. (Hear, hear.)
And at the same time, when stating that these remon-
strances where disregarded, he believed that a system
was at work which was in every respect evil. He believed
that if this act wore persevered in it would be distressing
to hundreds in this country, injurious to the colonies, and
dangerous to our liberties at home. His first assertion
was that this was the first time of sending convicts to
the Cape of Good Hope, but he was aware
that it might be alleged that there was a prece-
dent for the practice. He was well aware that
some ten years ago the philanthropic plan was started
for sending foundlings and boys, found in the streets
without a home, and juvenile offenders, to the Cape.
Yet such was the feeling excited at the Cape
from the apprehension that they might some
day be flooded by a convict population, that
they immediately arose against it, and the measure,
though only philanthropic in its character, was of neces-
sity abandoned. There was another subject to which al-
lusion had been made, and out of which, he was aware,
much misrepresentation might arise, and from which
certainly an impression had been created that this
was not the first time that convicts had
been sent to the Cape; that was the fact, that long
correspondence had been held between the Secretary at
the Cape, Mr. Montague, and the Secretary of the Colo-
nies here upon the subject. But the object of that
correspondence was to state to the authorities the
suggestion which had been made to him, that it might
be well for the Government to know that if con-
victs a ere sent out not a single person in the
colony would employ them in any capacity whatever.
Ho was aware that this might also create an impres-
sion that the present plan had a precedent. The third
document to which no would allude was a memorial
from the colonists of the Cape on the subject to their
Governor, whom they knew well sympathised in
all their feelings. All these documents were
now in England, and had been, he knew,
for the last two months; yet not a single copy of them,
though he had r( at( diy asked for them, could lie o'o-
hill from the C,.e1.--(Cries of "Hear, hear.")
He eew th::: the night Honourable Gentleman the
Secretery, for the Colonies was taking a note of
that assertion.—(Hear, hoar.) -He might not have
asked with anything riptitwle, but IAO

had numbered the papers for which he inquired
ne A, B, C. Ile might have been wrong—he might
have asked fur pipers under A a inch \sere Yogis
fered under B; he had, however, made the applicatien in
such a way as to elicit the nee( ssary replies, but he had
not obtained them.—(Bear, hear.) ( rho Ilon. Gen-
tleman then read a series of extracts from the documents
which hail been supplied to him to prove his assertiens.)
By a resolution assented to by a large meeting a peti-
tion, touchingly and respectfully appealing to the con
sideration of the Sovereign, and a memorial to
the Governor, appealing to the sympathy which
he was known to feel for the colonists,
ought to hare produced some better response than sim-
ple silence and disregard; but no such thing. The
Noble Lord at the head of the Colonial Government
simultaneously announced the receipt of these pa-
pers and his determination to disregard their
prayer.—(Hear.) Since then the Noble Earl had acted
as if the colonists themselves were of no consequence,
or as if he felt that he had power enough to crush their
opposition; but he, fur one, could only say, that if any
English spirit still existed in the colony as to inducing a
rising against this unjust policy he would not vote a
single shilling to put it down.---(Hear.) He thought lie
had proved how injurious this policy had been to both
the mother country and the colonies, and he wished
now to show that the Cape had especial grounds for
remonstrating against an infliction of this sort. The
Cape was originally a Dutch establishm, nt,
which originated about the period of the
foundation of New England. Indeed, the Dutch
Cape and New England stood at one time in the
position of two brothers who hail left their parent
home, but some time afterwards the Cape was
adopted by a band of Protestant refugees, who
were remarkable for their intelligence and strict moral
habits. To this day even, the inhabitants of the
Cape retained that character, and the state of
society in the Cape strongly contrasted with that of
some of our speculating colonies, where the moral in-
terests of the colonists were often sacrificed to a thirst
for wealth.—(Hear, hear.) But the strict morality of
the inhabitants of the Cape might be inferred from the
simple fact that they exacted testimonials of good cha-
racter from all strangers entering the colony; but inde-
pendently of this system being averse to the feelings
of the people, there were other features attached to the
colony which rendered it unfit fur a penal settlement.
In the first place one portion of the Cape was overrun
with barbarous tribes ; but, perhaps, it would
be said that the convicts sent out might become
missionaries amongst those tribes, though he
was inclined to question the morality of such
missionaries. The colonists themselves, however, urged
a stronger objection to the Caps being made the recep•
tacle of convicts. They said their society was suflicienttly
advanced to admit of their requiring or being able
to establish gaols.—(llcar, hear.) He came now to the
last point, namely, that in sanctioning this measure of
the Noble Lord, it would be adopting on the pal t of the
House a retrograde movement in colonization.—(clear.)
Perhaps the Caps was not strong enough to manifest
itself as America did, but it was labouring precisely
under the same grievances. Carlyle had related with
just disgust a feature in the life of Louis XV.,
who after using every remedy, without success,
to cure his vitiated body, resorted to the
most selfish and brutal superstition to recover
his health by debauching young virgins. Now that was
precisely the way in which they had dealt with their
colonies. If the House took no steps to avert
the consequences to which the conduct of the Govern-
ment had given rise; they would be looked upon as
sanctioning what he called a " debasing system
of colonization."—(Cries cf " Hear, hear.") Let
them send convicts to the Cape in its turn, but do
not take the weakest colony first. What he feared
most in dealing with this question was apathy. Oh!
that he could transport a few Hun. Members to the
Cape (Laughter) —in order that they might
learn how odious this system of transportation
to the Cape would be—more especially as it would
be placed under irresponsible government.—(Hear,
hear.) lie asked the House if in saving a
Colonial Minister it wculd endanger losing a colonial
empire. The Hon. Gentleman concluded with proyosing
his motion.
Sir Go GREY rose to warn the House of the danger
it would incur by the adoption of the views of the
Honourable Gentleman. His whole speech was
entirely directed against transportation to any of
our colonies. If the House adopted his motion
it would pronounce a verdict against transportation
altogether.—(Bear, hear.) He was really at a less to
know what the Hon. Gentleman meant when he argued
that convicts were not to be sent to the colonies, and
would ask him where they were to be sent to? How,
he would ask, were they to act? Were they to abolish
transportation altogether, or resort to the former mode
of huddling them together, irrespective of their age,
their disposition, and their crimes, so as to allow those
who might, if sent to those colonies, become good mem-
bers of society, to be corrupted by the vicious and reck-
less? If the Hon. Member (Mr. Adderley) had waited
for the papers of the 19th and 22d of December, and sth
of January, to which he referred as containing three
memorials against sending convicts to the Cape of Good
Hope, he would find that he had no grounds whatever
for the imputations which he had cast on Lord Grey,
and that he would be convinced of his mistake by the
perusal of the papers which were now in the possession
of his Noble Friend (Lord Grey).
Mr. ADDER LEY said that he did not allude to these
papers to which the Right Hon. Gentleman adverted,
but to an article which appeared in the Morning Chronicle
of the 20th of January, which he quoted.
Sir G. GREY thought that the Hon. Gentleman al-
luded to the memorials, because he (Mr. Adderley)
should be aware that it was not the duty of the Govern-
ment to produce newspaper extracts. He would ask,
what was to be done with convicts if they were not trans-
ported. He was ready to admit that Lord Grey had,
without waiting for an answer from the Governor of the
Cape of Good Hope, ordered our convict ships to that
colony from Bermuda; but when he found that the co-
lonists expressed their total dissatisfaction at such a pro-
ceeding, he did not persist in the continuance of that
order. It should be borne in mind by the House what
a vast increase there was in the number of convicts for
the last two years, and how justly his Noble Friend
(Lord Grey) had acted when he said that he felt im-
pressed with the necessity of sending convicts to the_
colonies, as it was the wish of the British Legislature
that transportation should be continued. He would ask
what had Government left them to do when remonstrances
of the strongest character wero urged by the Lord-Lieu-
tenant of Ireland, and by the resident magistrates, stating
that the gaols were filled to excess, and that all the avail-
able depots, Spike Island and others, which had been
used for the purpose of not transporting them, were
literally crammed with convicts. What, he would ask,
had Government to do but to send those convicts from
Ireland, amounting to 2,690 within the last two years, to
these colonies. He would next refer the Hon. Gentle.
man to the remonstrance of the Governor of Bermuda,
who stated that many Irish convicts who had been trans.
ported to that colony, under charges arising from want
or insurrection, were deserving of a committee being
appointed by her Majesty, to send them, as holders of
tickets, to Australia, because their subsequent conduct,
while under his supervision, warranted him to suggest
a mitigation of their sentence, and on that suggestion,
in his (Sir G. Grey's) opinion, very judiciously, Lord
Grey ordered their removal. Another letter from the
Governor of Bermuda, stating that many of the con-
victs under him had not yet arrived at man's estate,
twelve of them being under sixteen years of age, while
others bad no other charge against them than that
which arose from want or starvation, and that he did
not, therefore, allow them to work with the gangs. On
this letter Lord Grey, as became him, allowed the Go-
vernor to make the selection, according to his descrip-
tion, and he (Sir G . Grey) considered that those men on
whom the experiment had been tried would not be by
any means obnoxious to the feelings of the colonists, but
would be rather beneficial to them and to themselves.—
(Here the Right Hon. Gentleman read a letter from the
Rev. Mr. Kennedy, Roman Catholic chaplain at Ber-
muda, fully coinciding with the opinions of the Gover-
nor.) He hoped, notwithstanding the exaggerated feel-
ings against those convicts which had been sent to the
Cape of Good Hope, that they would prove as useful
and beneficial members of society as those colonists who
found their way there before them, through the system
adopted by the Governor of dispersing them, and
through their obtaining employment. On board the
vessel carrying convicts from Bermuda to the Cape, of
which he had been speaking, was John Mitchel, who
bad been convicted in Ireland last year of a political
offence. lle had been provided with a leave ticket,
which he would be able to avail himself of on his arrival
at the Cape, though from the last accounts of his health
which had been received, it was scarcely probable that
he would survive the voyage. He must remind the
Hon. Gentleman, when he went back to the early his-
tory of slavery, that it was only at the period of the
abolition of slavery in the West Indies, that slavery
was abolished in the colony of the Cape; that that colony
shared in the compensation that was then made for loss
arising from the abolition, and that a large transporta-
tion took place to Port Natal. He could only say that
he should deeply deplore their taking any retrograde
step in civilization, and that it was the earnest desire of
his Noble Friend to abandon every practice, as far as
possible, which tended to injure the prosperity of our
colonies and dependencies. The Government, indeed,
were very anxious to diminish the number of convicts
in the colonies, and on the other hand he believed that
the apprehensions of the colonists had been greatly ex-
aggerated. It was unfair to assume that the great ma-
jority of the criminal population of the country were
sent to the colonies. From a report which he held in his
hand, it appeared that the number of persons, male and
female, in Great Britain, sentenced to transportation in
the year' 1847, was 2,726, the great majority of whom
were convicted at Courts of Quarter Session. The num-
ber actually transported, however, was only between
2,300 and 2,400; because a largo number of sentences,t
making up the difference, 'were constantly commuted,
owing to the age or infirmities of some of the convicts.
Great
During the same year the imprisonments in
Britain, under sentences passed chiefly by magistrates,
into
amounted to 15956. At the expiration Of each term of
imprisonment the convict was received backcbacknt oso-
ciety; and that being so, he trusted it might not go
forth to the country that they gut rid of their criminal
population by sending them out to the colonies.—
(Hear, hear.) They bore, indeed, nine-tenths of the
burden themselves. So long as that system lasted, he
apprehended that no material mischief could arise to
the colonies; and unless they were prepared to resort to
a general system of capital punishment, or of perpetual
imprisonment, he did not see how the power of trans-
portation was to be' limited.
Mr. HUME scud o:at befer' the Hon. Msrelser
re-
Ise wile 0 to ;,!.,
ti n siaitely t. t
out convicts to a colony to di, isishes at 11,.
population of that colony ? The Right lion. Baronet's
explouttli94 of the case merely west to the iiacertye-

After a short discussion, in which Mr. DISRAEI'I
recommended his lion. Friend to withdraw his motion
after the satisfactory explanations given by the Govern'
ment, and in which Mr. Hawes, Sir George Grey, and
Mr. Heyworth took part,
Mr. ADDERLEY said, in reply, that having guinea
the object which he had in view, and being satisfied With
the explanations of the Government that it was not ie.
tended to force convicts on colonies against such 'Tinto':
strances as those from the colonists of the Cape of Goo
Hope, he had no objection to withdraw his motion.
The motion was accordingly withdrawn.
MINISTERS' MONEY (IRELAND).
Mr. FAGAN brought forward the motion of which
he had given notice respecting the payment of ministers..
money in Ireland. It was a subject, he staid, of great
importance to the clergy of the Protestant Church in
Ireland, and to the people of that country. The Hen'
Member then proceeded to read three letters which 11
had received on the subject from parties closely affected
by the question in Ireland. The first of those letter 6
was from the incumbent of St. John's, Limerick. It
represented that the people of Ireland were of opinioet
and particularly since the appointment of a Committee of
that House to inquire into the subject, that this tax 133t16
be abolished. The letter farther represented that the
clergy were unable to get their money, and unwilling
to press their poor parishioners. That letter was dated
31st of January last, and expressed a hope that he
would bring the matter before the House. The second
letter was dated in March, and contained an expression
of regret at the answer of Sir William Somerville, an
a communication that the writer, the Rev. John E11125'
could not get any one to act for bim in an endeavour to
collect the money—not even a common process server.
The third letter was from a Roman Catholic clergYieln,l,
of the Franciscan Convent in Clonmel, and it stated lbw'
not ono of three of the order, after pay ing all necessarY,
expenses, were able to pay for a suit of clothes, and
asked, was it not hard that they should be called upon
to pay " ministers' money ? " So that they had the
testimony, on the one hand, of the incumbent of the
Protestant Church, and on the other of the Roma°,
Catholic clergy, against this impost. When he last
brought the question before the House, he stated that,
a provision might be made on the subject of ministers.
money out of the ecclesiastical funds, and he now begged
to impress the consideration of that opinion on the atten-
tiont of the House. There could be no injuryce d
yielded—only
the Church Establishment by the abolititon of
money, as the sum which it at prestnministers'ue
was 15,0004 in the eight towns in which
contendedthat,
as
Ecclesiastical Commissioners. •
collected—
could be supplied out of the funds ate the disposal of the
as a matter of justice,
the Government were bound to
come forward and abolish the tax. He
x. proposed, as a
substitute for this tax, that the amount should
be paid out of the revenue of the Ecclesias—
tical Commissioners. This was the recommenda-
tion of a Select Committee of the House. It was
true that Ecclesiastical Commis'
son
wasa s
noth e
so n revenuesgn t
as s o f t h
e the
y ought to be, but if a sale
of the Bishops' leases was to be in perpetuity, an income
tre
would arise of 640,0001. He would suggest that this
sum should be made applicable to the 15,0004 a year
which the clergy had frern ministers' moneyed was for
. He bad
prepared a Bill on the subject, and all he ask
Permission to lay that Bill on the table. He concluded
by moving for a Committee of the whole House, to Ml°
into consideration the law relating to the rate or tax
called "ministers' money," in Ireland, with a view to the
repeal of so much thereof as relates to the said rate or
tax; and further, to take into consideration the Act 3i
and 4th Will. IV., cap. 114, called the Church Tempe;
ralities Act, for the purpose of amending the same, ae,ne
to provide thereby a substitute out of the revenues of t"
Ecclesiastical Commissioners, as a provision for the DI.);
testent ministers in certain corporate towns in Ireland!,el
hen of the ennui.' sums now
received by them under
‘
and by virtue of the Act 17th and 18th Car. ~
11., cap. '
Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL seconded the motion.
r,
Mr. GROGAN said that minister' money was ne4
tainly a statutory enactment, and was about 15,000/. rv,
year. Because her Majesty's Government had 0,
public
peace, ago, for the purpose of preserving the Pt' peace, abolished one portion of the income of the Eatab,
light,.! Church, a further attack was of,w made 'iron it ,„
the moti,o p:.,r,„cel by the Hon. Member. They
~_`',,t,
&lin; d th:lt there were inequalitie3 in the in
but
..".
sung ;w resew why suchlllo4ioll that brought f°4,
ward should be agreed to. Lle hoped Hon. Gentlenref
would palm before they me their Aunt to the motim