The Sun.
London, England, 1831-04-16 00:00:00

HOUSP OF COMMONS, ArzaL

The SPEAKER took the Chair precisely at Thrce
o'clock.
Dr. LUsHINGTON and another Mettihet ttlok (nths
and their seats. _ .

Sir JOHN WALSH presented a petition from the in-
habitants of Sudbury, praying that if the Reform Bill
passed they might be allowed to send two representatives
to Parliament, as in the yiat 1521, if the population had
been tightly taken, it would hate exceeded 4,000.
Mr. D. W. HARVEY said he would' take that oppt,t,
tunity of contradicting a statement which hdd
.been made
by the Gallant Member for Essex (Colonel Tyre °. res-
pecting him (Mr. Harvey.) In his absence the Gallant
Colonel had stated that he had said at a public meeting in
Essex that he only supported 'the present measure of Re-
form, because he was of opinion that it Vould lead to a
more extensive one— one which would give vote by
ballot, annual Parliaments, and universal suffrage...—.
(Hear.)—Now he would solemnly declare that he had
never said any such thing, but quite the contrary.
He (Mr. Harvey) had read a report of what the Gal-
lant Colonel said in a newspaper, which the reporter
added was received with loud cheers; and he therefore
called upon the Gallant Colonel either to acknowledge
or deny what lie was reported to have said. He
would only add that all he did say at that meeting
was, that in his opinion the Church Establishment wanted
as much Reform as any other establishment, and he be-
lieved it did.—(Hear.)
Colonel TYRELL should be sorry to incur the per-
sonal hostility of the Hon. Member for Colchester, as it was
his misfortune to meet him at all public meetings, as
the agitator of Essex.—( Hear, hear.) It was true, that
at the meeting he alluded to, he said that the Eccle-
siastical establishments needed Reform more than any
other. The Honourable Member was possessed of great
talents, and those talents he employed for the purpose of
holding up the church and the clergy to ridicule.—(Hear,
hear.) It appeared to be a great satisfaction to that Hon.
Gentleman to make the worse appear the better case.
Mr. HARVEY rose to order. He called upon the
Gallant Colonel, before the House, to explain what
he meant by imputing to him that he wished to
hold up the Clergy to contempt. He bad always had the
greatest veneration for the Protestant Establishment.
Colonel TYRELL was not present at the meeting, but
it was a matter of public notoriety that the Hon. Member's
opposition to the clergy was publicly known, it was as no-
torious as the sun at noon day. It was also advertised that
the Hon. Member would attend the meeting at Rochford,
and deliver his sentiments there. Now, whether he at-
tended there as a paid agent or not, be could not tell.
Mr. HARVEY—Sir, allow me to explain, I

The SPEAKER—The Hon. Member cannot enter into
an explanation until after the Gallant Colonel has finished
his speech.
Mr. HARVEY said, then he would speak on a point
of order. He would ask whether it was not unparlia-
mentary to charge him with hoitility to the clergy, and add
that that hostility was as plain as the sun at noon-day?—
(Hear, bear, hear.) Now if he (Mr. Harvey) did not
. enter that House as an heir to a title, and with a large
fortune, yet be entered it as independent as the Gallant
Colonel.—(Hear.) Though the son of a tradesman, he
was a representative of a large body of the people, and bad
always done his duty towards tl em. He had too always
respected the regulations of that House, and therefore be
never would suffer the Hon. Member for Essex to call
him a paid agent.—(Hear.) With much warmth he re-
peated that he never would suffer it.
The SPEAKER—The Hon. Member no doubt has a
right to appeal to the House for protection, but he cannot
take on himself to dictate to another Hon. Member.—
(Hear.) If gentlemen, in presenting a petition, always
take an opportunity of diverging from the subject of that pe-
tition, and attending to the subject of others, which too often
led to personal attacks, such a course must be extremely
inconvenient to the House.

Colonel TYRELL did not intend any personal offence to
the Hcn. Member, but he had beard that the Hon.
Member had expressed the opinions that he had imputed
to him. Being quite inexperienced in the rules of the
House he apologized. . _ _

.
After some observations from Mr. WELLESLEY and Mr.
WESTERN,
Col. TYRELL rose and said that he now understood
the Hon. Member for Colchester was in the House at the
time he made the observations complained of. He was
not present at the meeting himself, and therefore did not
knew whether he used them or not. If he did not, he
should have denied them at the proper season.
Sir J. WALSH moved that the petition be printed.

Mr. BLACKETT wished to know whether or not
Government intended to'abide by the population returns of
1821, respecting the borough of Beeralston ?

Lord J. RUSSELL—Ii is not our intention to take
the borough of Beeral3ton out of schedule A. The reasons
I will explain at the proper time.

Mr. G. DAWSON considered the declaration of the
Noble Lord respecting Beeralston extremely hard on that
borough. He would ask the Noble Lord whether similar
treatment was to be exercised towards Calne ?—(Hear.)
If he refused representatives to Beeralston, it was only
equal justice to refuse them to Calne.—(Hear.)

Lord J. RUSSELL—I can state that it is not intended
to make any alteration respecting Calne.—(Hear.) The
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite has thought proper to
ask me a question. perhaps he will give me leave to
ask him one ; on whet principle would he refuse represen-
tatives to Caine ?—(Hear.)
Mr. DAWSON thanked God he had nothing to do
with the Bill, but to give it his most decided opposition.
He was not, therefore, called on to answer any ques-
tions.—(Hear.) The Bill was full of absurdities from
beginning to end, and he would contend that equal justice
should he administered to all.—(H-ar.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL—EquaI justice was adminis-
tered to all, and as for the absurdities, they were all on the
side of the Right Hon. Gentleman. But that was no un-
common thing, for he was generally falling into absurdities.
The Right Hon. Gentleman, with all his complaints, had
never once hinted at a better plan. If he had a better, let
him propose it.
Sir C. WETHERELL would not use so mild a term
as absurdity, it was gross injustice.—(Hear, hear.)—No
doubt could exist that Caine should be wholly disfran-
chised, but Caine was to retain its representation. For
what? Why, because it belonged to a friend.--(Hear.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL would repeat for the fiftieth
time, that the Bill was founded fairly on the population
returns of 1821, and where the population did not
come up to the standard laid down, every borough
so circumstanced was named to be dis franchised.--
(Hear, hear,) He would defy any man carefully
to peruse the list, and say there was any partiality in
selecting boroughs, whether they belonged to one party
or the other.—(Hear, hear, hear.) It was very easy
to find fault, but in 'fairness and candour, every one
must acknowledge that the greatest impartiality had
been observed. He would defy the Honourable and
Learned Member for Bbroughbridge himself, or any
other Honourable Member, to prove the least appearance
of partiality, or any thing approaching to a corrupt mo-
tive. If he had any charge, let him make it. These
charges only showed how the other side of the House
would have acted, had they brought forward a measure of
Reform.—(Hear.)

Mr. BANKES said Marlborough contained 300 persons
paying 101. a year rent, whilst Caine only contained 124.
He should like to know how these 124 could be made a,
much of as the 300.—(Hear.) Then again Downton,
a scattered village, where there were only nine houses paying
101. a year, was to return its representatives, while Marl-
borough was deprived of them. This was the impartiali3y
of the Bill. His objection to it was most decided. Hr
would express it in the words of the petitioner•, 110