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IMPORTANT NATIONAL DISCOVERY.
R. J. V. TUTHILL, of 22, Fitzroy
to,. square, who had been a martyr to the Gout for
ett`ntY4 years, feels it his uty to announce to his fellow-
tt, ,4t"ures that which all-wdise Providence empowered him
of cover an INFALLIBLE SPECIFIC for the GOUT,
which he has bad manifest proof.
,be Patentee feels it also his duty openly to avow, that
thL."Pecific does not contain a particle of Mercury, of Col-
poi„utni or of the Eau Medicinale ; his Specific is a corn-
ti "'ld of simples, yet so efficient, that it not only expels
ise disease, but prevents its return ; its secondary quality
11,4 t being composed of such innocent ingredients, it
or P:me's no restraint, neither does it require confinement,
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from any duty—any occupation..
4 Patentee has followed the mild regimen, of taking
tr,,rsioul of it every morning those latter twenty
1144"'i in the nature of daily food, without the assist-
s 1,0 any medicine, by which temperate system, he has
itZvetually unrooted the disease, and so efficiently abated
itti ti'
dissolved the chalk stones and weakness occasioned by
tits ands
as now to enjoy the most perfect use of his
tr',-'•-and limbs, which had been, fur many years, con-
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tt4 i-5 Patentee, feeling front experience the necessity of
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irastantaneous exposé, particularly to sufferers, proposes
ii hugleuse his Specific, every Morning from Six to Ten, at
if C"e, (it must be taken two heurs before breakfast) or,
ttiere pleasing, as loving more convenient, the Patentee
%III) divulge the ingredients to every invalid who shall
ha "Cribs 2001., when each can compound it in his own
tfli'ei tinder his own eye, thus submitting the material of
th SPecifie to the strict scrutiny of self-examination, and
14) hieusbiing each to hand the RECIPE, as an heir-loom,
caspring.
.te Patentee, anxious to render homage to Providence,
i",,t'e exercise of every Christian feeling, will require no
h,...7"neration until he proves the efficient properties of his
"'ifie, which may justly be denominated
14 THE RENOVATOR OF HEALTH,
in-4nucli as, the Patentee (though twenty years a cripple
Gout) now enjoys, at the age of fifty-five, almost all
t: attributes of youth—vigour, agility, good appetite,
(ligestism, and soft and tranquil sleep.
its, be Patentee may be consulted, from Six in the Fore-
2P~ to in the Afternoon of each day, at his house,
st,,,k,vnzroy.square, where satisfactory letters and refer-
vi • f"---noble lay, and medical—will be submitted to every

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in a: suggested to Dr. GrtaxviLLE by the same dis-
feCtulhed nobleman who so munificently conttibuted, a
dal!) ago, towards a fund to relieve the present dis-
littilta of die posrer classes. Since the publication of the
4,ltts'olumethe same Noble individual is said to have
'aßed a, -
large number of copies that he might distri.
tr them among his tenantry. The directions for the
e,ent of the Cholera Alorbus are of especial value.
efate-TAI, COACH ACCIDENT.—A little be-
theight o'clock on Wednesday evening last, the Peveril
Peak coach, on its way to London, when about a
1), beyond Derby, came suddenly upon one of Messrs.
kioßn and Co.'s vans, which was proceeding towards
tcnchester. The driver of the Peveril endeavoured to avoid
rq van, hut without success, and the two vehicles came
the'eataet with a force which snapped in two the pole of
tuad 'lath, and precipitated the driver headlong upon the
) where he was instantly killed. No passenger by the
of the was was hurt, nor were the horses injured ; but one
is „i• t leaders of the van was much hurt, and, we believe,
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sr4IAL ACCIDENT.—About seven o'clock
rnak,."daY evening last, Mr. JAMES BENTLEY, cabinet-
)/ n- of Bury, met with his death in an awfully sudden
ani444l"") Ancoats-bridge, Manchester. The deceased,
et,r.an acquaintance of his, each mounted on horseback,
Atm;e hun their return home from seeing some friends at
with t."ter, and the decsed's horse coming in contact
the the battlement of theae bridge, he was precipated from
few saddle with such force, as to cause his death in a very
irt lliltutes: Mr. BENTLEY was about 22 years of age,
y,un hu:idess with his two brothersat Bury, and a fine
tit„,ei° nian, of steady and industrious habits. His
Y fate has plunged his family and friends into the
"Pelt dietrese ...,Planchc§ier Guardian.

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HOUSE OF LORDS DEC. 12.

Earl SHA rrEssunir officiated as Deputy Speaker.
Mr. Pearson, from the coal market, presented returns
of the prices of coal, as ordered by their Lordships.
The -LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat a few minutts
after Five o'clock.
The Duke of RICHMOND moved for a return of the
quantity of land set apart for the purposes of emigration
in New South \Vales, Van Dieman's Land, &c.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, 'DEC. 12.
In anticipation of the important disclosure by Lord
John Russell of the details of the new Reform Bill, which
his Lordship had given notice of his intention to move
for leave to bring in this evening, the gallery stairs were
crowded at an early hour. The doors were opened at
Two o'clock, and in a few minutes the gallery was filled.
At Four o'clock the SrEAKEs. took his seat, at which
Wine there was a large number of Members present. -
On the motion of Mr. LITTLETON, a Select Committee
was appointed to receive reports of all Committees on
private Bills relative to the observance of the standing

orders.
Sir R. INGLIS moved an address to his Maj,sty, that
there be laid before the House certain returns relative to
the novices and Jesuits in religious houses in Great
Britain and Ireland, which, after a few words from Mr.

Lamb, was agreed to.
Sir 11. INGLIS then moved for a return of the amount
of tithes in the parishes in Ireland in the hands of lay im-

proprietors.
Mr. D. BROWN presented a petition from the inha-
bitant, of the town of Galway, praying that in the Re-
form Bill provision miht be made to preserve the rights
of thole freemen of Galway which had been conferred

upon them by the Act of last session.
SIIITIIORPE was anxious to take the present
opportunity to state his surprise on learning that previous to
the Bill of the Noble Lord (the Paytnist, r of the Forces)
being introduced, and when that Noble Lord merely gave
notice that 1:e would bring in the Reform Bill, another Noble
Lord (the 'Marquis of Chanties) at once wrested from him
that !need of applause by giving notice of a motion cf •
which he (Colonel Sibthorpe) had last session given notice.
Ile came down to the House on purpose to state this,
which lie did with considerable pain, after a severe ill-
ness of three weeks. The Noble Lord (Chandoi) had
once dressed himself in Colonel S.'s colours, and now be
had given notice to introduce that clause again.
He declared that he would never attempt to take from
an Hon. Member that which an Hon. Member might have
a better right to.
The petition was then read, and ordered to be printed.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from a parish in Glou-
cestershire against the present tithe system, particularly
against the manner in which the tithes were
collected.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The Hon. Member
thought that the time had arrived when the tithe system
in England, as well as Ireland, ought to be altered, in
order to prevent those very unpleasant scenes which
were now occurring in various parts of the country ; and
he hoped that when his Majesty's Ministers brought before
the House the question of tithes in Ireland, they would:
also institute some enquiry into the tithes in England.
Mr. HUME moved for various returns connected with
the Bill now before the House for transferring the office
of Surveyor- General to that of the Board of Works,
which were agreed to.
Mr. CRIMPS wished to ask the Noble Lord opposite,
before the House proceeded to receive the report of the
Committee of Supply, whether there was any intention
on the part of Government, or not, to lower the amount
of duty on insurances. He thought it would be highly
important that this duty should be greatly lowered. In his
opinion it would tend very much to lesson the incendi-
arism throughout the country.
Lord ALTHORP hoped that the Hon. Member would
excuse him refusing to answer any questions at present
respecting the revenue. It would be extremely inconve-
nient for him at this period of the year to give any
answer to questions respecting the state of the revenue.
Sir R. V YVYAN enquired whether it was the inten-
tion of his 'Majesty's Ministers to appoint any Committee
of Inquiry for the purpose of ascertaining whether any
• means could be adopted to relieve the distress of particular
classes of society that prevailed in different parts of the
country.
• Lord Aurimer's answer was given in so lets' a tone as

to be inaudible.
Mr. HUNT wished to know whether the statement
that had appeared in the public papers was true or not
—that Bishop and Williams on the night preceding
their execution had made a confession of murders which
they had been guilty of to the number of s'xty, and were
proceeding to make further confessions when they were in-
terrupted by the entrance of the Ordinary into their cells.
Mr. LAMB said he knew not upon what authority
such statement had been made in the public papers, but he
had not heard that confession had been made by the cul-
prits beyond the three.
Mr. Alderman IVAITIINIAN said, that since the state-
ment appeared in the papers which the Hon. Gentleman
had alluded to, he had made every possible inquiry of the
Sheriffs and Ordinary, and he had been assured that those
men repeated, over and over again, before their execution,
that they had conressed all, and that no other murders than
the three had been confessed to by them.
Mr. HUME desired to put a question to the Chancellor
of the Exchequer respecting the Deccan Prize Money,
which we could not hear the exact nature of.
Lord ALTHORP said, that if the Hon. Member would
put the question to hitn on some other day, he would an-
swer it.
Mr. HUME then gave notice that he would repeat his
question on the next Supply day, and likewise he would
enquire if it was true that any delay arose from the defalca-
tion of persons in whose hands money had been lodged.
Mr. PORTMAN wished to ask the lion. Member fur
Boston, what his intention was respecting a Bill which
he had last Session given notice of introducing respecting
the Friendly Societies throughout the country.
Mr. MILKS said that the object of his Bill was to ex-
tend for two years the enrolling of the existing societies.
Lord MILTON said that as soon as an opportunity of-
fered, he would fix a day fur considering the present state
of the corn laws.
A considerable pause took place here in consequence of
the absence of Lord John Russell, and the cries of " Ad-
journ, adjourn," resounded from all parts of the House.
THE REFORM BILL.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL, on entering the Ilotise shortly
after Half.past Five o'clock, was greeted with most enthu-
siastic cheers. On . silence being obtained, the Speaker
called upon the - Noble Lord. Lord John Russell then
arose, and moved that that part of his Majesty's speech
relating to the Reform Bill be read, which being done by
the Clerk, the Noble Lord addressed the House as follows :
" Sir, this HoUse, in answer to that part of his Ma-
jesty's most gracious speech, begged to assure his
Majesty that they received with humility and respect
his Majesty's recommendation to their most careful
consideration of the measures to be proposed for a
Reform in the Common" House of , Parliament,
and begged to assure his Majesty that they felt confident
that a speedy and satisfactory settlement of that important
question became daily of more importance to the security
of the State, and to the contentment and welfare of
the people ; and begged to assure his Majesty also
that their most careful consideration should be
immediately given to that most important sub-
ject. Sir, in that sentiment in which this House con-
curred without any division, I think there will be
but few who will not be ready to agree—(Great
cheering)—for whatever may be the merits of the
measure that has been proposed in the former session,
the measure now about to be proposed to the consideration of
the House, I think whoever has attended to the peat
questions which have agitated this country from time to
time must be convinced that the time has now arrived,
when a satisfactory settlement of the question ought to
be come to. Happily the discussion of a question
like the present has taken place in a Gauntry where freedom
of debate prevails, and I hope will ever prevail. The
topics chosen by the advocates for or against the measure
have so raised the expectations of the people, that at
length the country has become in a state which it
is dangerous to keep in suspense any longer hanging
over the heads of the people, and it new becomes the
solemn duty of Parliament to convert those expectations into
realities, and to bind the desire of the people en the one
hand, and the obstinacy of rcsiotanCe on the Ober) under

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Parliamentary law—that Sir, has certainly been the
different state of the different'queatiOns which have :been
agitated in this country.—(Cheers.) We may Sir,
recollect a great •measure, the 'Catholic question,
where
certainly, although I am convinced that right and reason
and policy, on the one' hand; demanded the concessiim of
such a question; yet certainly the dangers to be appre-
hended from the non Tassing of such 'a 'measure as thd one
proposed- were 'undoubtedly 'Very much "exa.g,gerited ;
hot nobody could deny that the greatest b =nefit has been de-
rived in the passing of that measure by the people of Ireland.
Ministers had, therefore, thought it was their ditty to
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bring this measure as soon as poe able to a speedy,
and satisfactory result. Upon the present question; i•
think that any who looks at it cannot fail to allow that
both the • abuses to be remedied, awl the advan-
tages to be derived, are very great.--(Lowl and con-
continued cheers from the Ministerial side of
the House.' It is therefore, Sir, not only for
the sake of the nation itself, hot for the 'sake of

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the country that the King's Glivernmt•ni call upcin
Parliament to endeavour now to come the speedy aril

satisfactory settlement of the questaon, and endeavour' as far
is may be to overturn those difficulties which rimy
surround us. Whatever evils the country May

,ustain in consequence of the ditCnllies
;hose difficulties will be griiilfi•Clieved hy a sa-

tisfactory settlement of this question, for then Parlia-
ment will have time to consider other subjects, which

cannot fail to demand their most deliberate attention.
Sir, Hon. Members will recollect that at the end of the
last Session of Parliament, when the Reform Bill was re-

jetted by the House of Lords, the Noble Lord at the head of
his Majesty's Government determined that he would
not remain in office unless he could bring forward
a measure which was equally efficient with the one
rejected. He made that declaration in the face of Par-
liament; and he had also repeated it to his Sovereign,
who had been graciously pleased to desire him to remain in
office. By that tie, Sir, he remains in the office which
he now bolds, and by that he is determined to stand or
fit'.l.—(Loud and continued cheering.) I have drawn
the attention of the House to this fact, because it will save.
me from entering into topics' of general Reform, or of the par-
ticular reasoning upon which the principles of the Bill res
jected in the House of Lords during the last year mainly
rested. This House declared that to the principles of that
Bill, and to its leading provisions, theywere mainly attached.
Therefore, Sir, the Government resting upon that founda•••
tion, the House of Commons having pledged itself to the
foundation of that Bid, it will be unnecessary for me
to urge any arguments in favour of the Bill. It will be
sufficient for me to say that they are the principles on
which the Government alone can propose a Bill of Reform
—they are the principles on Which alone they can propose it
to this flouse,which I must expect would reject any measure
that was not conformable with their own settled declarations.
It is with a view rather of explaining the alterations made
upon the grounds I have stated, than with any view of de-
fining or re-arguing the principles of the Bill themselves,
that I address myself to the consideration of it. The great
points of the last Bill were, the disfranchisnaent of certain
boroughs, giving Members to large counties and populous
towns, and regulating the right of voting, proposed to be
introduced into all towns and boroughs. With respect to the
disfranchising clause, it may be recollected that we said
it would be necessary to t Ike a certain number of the small
and decayed boroughs, and draw a line bet Ween them and
boroughs of somewhat more consideration, where we could
introduce a greater number of electors, so as to establish
more fully the principle of this Bill, which is the principle
of the Bill of Rights, that elections should be free. In order
to obtain the knowledge of the boroughs to be disfranchised
which were contained in schedule A, we took the census
of 1821, and took a certain population, below which every
borough was to be disfranchised. Since that time the new
census has been nearly completed, and of course it is natural
that that circumstance should not be thrown out bf view
when we come to consider a measure of Parliamentary
Reform. At the same time I think there were objections
to that census, and one which I stated at the time
was, that it having been made at a period
when a line of disfranchisement was about to be drawn, it
was almost impossib!e not to suppose that, in some
cases, efforts would be made to make up the numbers
of certain places requisite to ensure a vote. Sir, front
this consideration, we have thought that as a test of
the population we bad, better take the number of
houses of the different borough!, than the number
of persons within those boroughs, it being less likely that
improper practices can be accomplished with respect to
houses than with respect to persons, many of whom
might be collected in a single day, and brought into the
place to answer a particular object. There is, however,
another reason why we should propose to take houses
in preference to persons, which I shall state. There was
another difficulty attending the census of 1821, which
certainly much embarrassed the progress of the Bill last
Session. When it was first taken, it was supposed
the differences between the limits in the popula-
tion census, and the population which sent Mem-
bers to Parliament, was not so material as that that
circumstance could have produced any great effect.
But it latterly appeared on discussion that a very great
difference existed between the two, and that it was exceed-
ingly difficult to draw the line where the census ought to be-
disregarded, and where it ought to be adhered to. Now, I
think, as far the population census is concerned, we drew the
line in such a manner that it could not have been better
effected. When I say we took it fsirly, I will adduce as
a proof the suggestion of two Hon. Members, both of
whom had given it consideration. The one said, we
ought to take the returns, leaving out those en •
gaged in agriculture; the other said, there was a great
difference between the north and south parishes, and that
we ought not to apply the same rule to both. Now, it
is evident, if we had taken either of these modes of
proceedings we must have incurred great censure. There-
fore I have thought that that census was not calculated to
give us so discriminating a view of the boroughs as we
ought to have, and, consequently, as soon as it entered into
the contemplation of Government to bring forward
another Bill, we took every possible means to obtain
a correct account of what really was the size and pe..
pulation of the boroughs which the Bill is proposed
to affect. This, however, is a task of no small dif-
ficulty. Mr. Pitt, in speaking on this subject in 1785,
says, " I will take the number of houses, which is not
liable to error, and which is agreeable to the pt in-
ciplee of Parliamentary representation." But if Mr.
Pitt had even carried his measure beyond the mere pro-
position (though it certainly had been much discussed), he
would have found it was not so easy a task as -he thought.
For instance, where there is a borough contain-
ing a whole town, you take the. houses in the
whole town, and obtain a satisfactory result: but
in other instances where a town has increased beyond
a borough, it would be unjust to say that because this
borough has increased, we will not allow it that im-
portance to which its present situation entitles it.
Now this is a matter very difficult to deal
with, when the facts are disputed. For instance, with
regard to Tamwortb, there has been a doubt as to what
ought to be the town there : and I believe it was found
that the return which was sent up was insufficient,
and did not contain so many houses as ought to have
been contained within that borough. But, Sir, we have
taken another test combined with the test of the hmses,
in order to give a still more accurate view of the
extent and importance of the boroughs, and that
is not to take the 10/. rents, but the amount of rent
paid, as appears by the assessed taxes, up to April last.
Though we have found that to be attended with great
difficulties, still we shall be able to produce
satisfactory evidence to the House that we have taken the
most proper mode of proceeding with respect to these
boroughs. We have been very much assisted in doing
fo tthis by
gentlemen who have gone down into the country he
purpose of -drawing distinctions betwen boroughs and
Cities. Besides this, we have had letters written to the
returning officers of .different boroughs ; and, although in
some instances the instructions have not been understood,
and the answers have been necessarily sent down again
-tor revision and correction, yet I am proud to say their
answers have been fair and explicit ; and in the majority
of cases, where they have been corrected by the Govern-
ment Commissioners, the correction has rather gene to
show that the returnine-officer had not given a sufficient
breadth to the town, than that he had taken too much for
its limits. Having these grounds- for our information, a
rtieular task was entrusted to Lieu'. Drummond, who
is at the head of the Commissioners, for ascertaining the
limits. The Noble Lord at the head of the Home De-
partment wrote Mr. Drummond a letter, asking him to
take this mass of information' ad from it to make vet a

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his rent and taxes should be paid. To render this :clause
more perfee, we now propose that every person shall vote,
whose house, warehouse, or shop, having been occupied

for a period not less than twelvemonths, is assessed to
the poor rates as of the value of ten pounds.—(His
Lordship then read the clause relative to this part of
the Bill.) Another clause in the former Bill said,
that a person who rented a ten-pound lititisey but
who did not pay taxes, could not vote but he
might demand to pay these taxes. We still pro-
pose.to retain that right to such persons—it may be said,
that this is a new qualification, and that it has not been
tried, but I beg to obserfe, that at Norwich and
some other large towns the same system of qualifica-

tion has existed, and that even in the present Parliament
a Bill was passed with the same qualification, only re-
stricted to 121. for the election of overseers of the poor.
The House will perceive this clause introduces merely a

scot and lot qualification, with this proviso, that the voter
must pay a , rent of 101., and that his house must
he of that actual . value—a .qualificatiOn which

.n my opinion will produce a constituency in this country
than which none can be better. In the late Bill we preserved

the right of corporation voters during their life, but in this
Bill_ we propose to go a step further—that is, to preserve
for ever-the rights of freemen in boroughs by birth or
smvitude—{llear; hear}—but we do not intend to alter
that principle of the late Bill which excluded non-resident
freemen from voting-. In this Bill we have a claus&pro-
viding, that should his Majesty grant a charter to: any
borough in schedule C or 11, the Mayor of that borough
shall be the returning officer. One other right which
I had almost forgot to mention, and which was occluded
from the last'Reform Bill, we propose to preserve by

this--in cities which are considered as counties

in themselves, many persons who are qualified as vciten
are excluded from exercising that right, and. by this Bill
it is proposed that they shall have a vote for the county.
The Commissioners named in the last Bill for the dividing

of counties, and the ascertaining of the limits t:1
cities, have made their enquiries with great '
zeal and activity--and I owe it to those gentlemen
to hear this testimony to the manner in which '
they have executed their labours—and so soon as their
Report should have been received, and adopted, it shOuld
be acted on with respect to such places as should have
been made the subject of it. In most instances, persons
have been sent to perform the duties that would have de-
volved upon the Commissioners, if appointed, and such
an amount of information has been acquired, as will, I
think, supersede the necessity of appointing any Com Mi-
ssioners at all—that the proper limits of cities and boroughs
can be decided on and enacted for at once. I have further
to state, that from the reports received from the gentlemen
sent into the country for the purpose to which I have ad-
verted, it is thought that the strict rule of requiring three
hundred electors might he advantageously departed from.
It was, of course, never intended that the Commissionersshould decide upon those questions—it was merely in-
tended that they should obtain information, and lay it be-
fore Parliament accompanied by their opinions. In. al
these cases, then, Parliament will have now the
means of legislating in connection with the general
measure, and making up a constituency suited to
the present circnmstancss and feeling of the country.
Sir, I believe I have now gone through all the essential
alterations which are proposed to be =deb), this Bill. ;Of
course there are minor alterations in the Bill, but they are
of trifling importance, as they are merely for the purpose cd
correcting inaccuracies which had crept into the former
Bill, and the proper time for discussing them will be
when the Bill is before the House. Sir, it is unnecessary
for me at present to enter further into the general principles
of the measure—if it should be thought right now to make
this measure a subject of debate, I am ready to enter
upon it, but if it is the opinion of the House, that it is
better to defer the discussion to amther time, when the
Bill comes wholly before the House, I will give in to
that opinion readily, conscious that it is the best.
No oue now is found to uphold the Constitution as it
at present stands, but every one is asking, and is
anxiously inquiring, how the new constituency should be
formed. The Noble Lord at the head of the Government
has voluntarily come under an obligation that he
will not propose nor support any measure which,
in his opinion, is not as efficient as the one last
brought forward. The present Bill was, in the opinion
of the Government, consistent with the privileges of the
other Houseof Parliament, and was framed with an anxious
desire for the security of the Crown. The Constitution of
our country was no doubt good, but the time was now
t come when it was necessary to infuse into it changes
• which would strengthen it, renew it, and again
[ bring it forth, in its pristine beauty. Ever since
• the first French revolution the whole mind and intel-

ligence of this country bad been constantly engaged in
calling for alterations in many of our laws, which, in
former times, used to be held in the utmost veneration,
making them part and parcel of the Constitution. There
are few men in this House, Sir, or in either House, who
will not be ready to admit that the laws in many respects
require change, and the Right Hon. Baronet is certainly
one of those. He has made great alterations in the laws,
both commercial and criminal. Ile has not feared, Sir,
to introduce the hand of Reform into them, in
order to snake them, as I think, more compatible with
the present state of society. In other questions, Sir, there
has been more difference in opinion. But will any
man think, when all these Reforms are going
on, and when from day to day such great changes are
made in those laws which were formerly thought
perfect—can it possibly be expected, Sir, that those
abuses which have been introduced into our system of
representation, that those deformities which belong to it,
are to be exempted from Reform. All, Sir, depends on our
selves. We are to decide, although in the opinicn of some
it may be considered that the former system has some,
merits—merits superior to any which can be thought of,
whether the system we are now about to introduce
is not superior to them all.—(Cheers.) The
question, Sir, for us to decide is, whether Reform
is necessary or not; and, Sir, by the universal con-
sent of those opposed to Reform, it is necessary
to make some change ; and I think it is for them to
consider whether this is such a change as will strengthen
the people in their support of the three branches of the
Legislature. That it is so, no unbiassed mind can doubt.
It is not my intention now, Sir, to enter into that ques-
tion, but I think it one upon which the decision of the
House ought to be grounded.—(Hear, hear.) Those
most opposed to Reform, may say they think the
former system preferable. But that system being doomed
not to last longer—(Loud laughter from the Op-
position)—l take that statement, Sir, not from the
declarations of all on the other side of the House, but
coming from persons most attached to the former system.
—(Cries of " Hear, hear," and " No, no.") I ask, Sir,
admitting that some change or other must be made,
whether they will now apply their minds earnestly
to that act of conciliation which the present Bill will en-
sure. The present Bill provides for all those great ob-
jects for which a conciliating measure ought to provide ;
and I ask, Sir, whether it is not very likely, if
passed, to provide for the peace, the welfare, and prospe-
rity of the country. The Noble Lord sat down amidst
great cheering, by moving for leave to bring in a Bill to
amend the representation of England.
The question was then put, that leave be given to bring
in a Bill to amend the representation in England and Wales.
Sir R. PEEL wished to know from the Noble Lord
opposite what course he intended to pursue in the manage-
ment and further conduct of the Bill?
Lord ALTHORP replied, that when the 8111 was be-
fore the House, he should, with as little delay as possible,
propose that the second reading be taken, and that imme-
diately afterwards the House do adjourn for the holidays.
He intended to propose that the I3tll be read a second time
on Friday next. That, certainly, was but a short time ;
yet, when it was recollected that the Bill had been already
before the House, it would not, he trusted, be thought too
short. He hoped, therefore, that Hon. Members would
not see any great objection to faxing the second reading
for Friday next, taking the Committee after the recess.
Sir ROBERT PEEL—Whether the first reading be
fixed for Friday next, or piistponed to some more distant
day, ' I for one have no desire that there should be any di-
vision on this night. I fully concur, therefore, with the
Noble Lord, in thinking that we had better postpone all
discussion until the second reading—it is a course which I
am perfectly willing to adopt; for I think, if we are to
have a discussion without a division, it will I c at once un-
profitable and inconvenient, as it could not fail to preju-
dice the dismsion on the second reading ; I shad, there-
fore, confine niyi•elf to observing, that we have yet to
learEl Whether this extensive alteration in the Reform arises

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