The Sun.
London, England, 1831-03-25 00:00:00

I. • Stanley brought in the Irish Reform Bit last night.
:eland there are no copyholders, and the forty-shilling
er° Were have been disfranchised. In other respects,
441.11 slight variation as to the years within which a lease
itni.uaell renewed, the county representation is to be the
47 as that of England. The town representation, which
klta still worse state than that of England, is to be
-"wii open to the resident occupiers of houses of 101. a
IZ' Belfast, Limerick, Waterford, and Galway, are
It," to have an additional representative, and an addi-
at,l, Member is also to be given to the University of
j 441 011 us the right of voting, which is now confined to
tt or
scholars, being to be extended to all those who had
114 time been scholars, and had kept their name, or
mB °o the list within six months of the time of vot-
' kt; The speech of the Right Honourable Gentle-
st., was distinguished for clearness. The occasion
Ith I°o tempting for gentlemen like Sir C. Wetherell,
t 4 are not easily satisfied with their efforts,
ro-•
'c passed over without another attempt against the
!land—the
of the Bill. Accordingly Sir Charles gave us
OW" edition of the Articles of Union with Ireland and
—the danger of lopping off sixty-two Protestant
tiotetbers, and the cruelty of disfranchising future genera-
hit' of pot-wallopers. Lord Althorp got rid of the ar-
iiltrkent from the proportion fixed at the Scotch Union,
lthe Irish Union, which altered it; and_ observed fur-
'" that the arguments which hail been urged by the
wsnourable and Learned Gentleman against Reform,
t.t4e precisely similar to those urged against Catholic
Isittk4ination, and against the improvement of the Scottish
1114." Sir Robert Peel observed, that " whether
ties was a revolutionary measure or not, he must confess
1144 a measure which would produce very great changes,
et, °feet of which he did not, and could not know, nor
W 41 ,atielpate ;" and he proceeded to point out a number
144°,'Iections to the details of the Reform as regarded Ire-
hil" The Lord Advocate made another speech, which
41°4 praised.—)horning Chronicle.
4,41" question of dissolution was raised last night in the
-4 of Lords by the Marquis of Londonderry, with the
st„,°f eliciting what the intentions of his Majesty's Mi-
Os were with regard to such a step. Earl Grey had
ii;euted a petition in favour of the Ministerial plan of
etiartn from the freeholders of the county of Down, when
leithl44tquia of Londonderry made some loose statement
hp- respect to the degree in which the persons signing
1...11111ed the opinion of the county, and then proceeded
1/4011e against the Reform Bill ; after which he observed,
link Would say a few words as to the course which Mi-
pi 44 had taken in reference to this measure. In the first
kitte" they had made an undue use of the sacred name of
ei,A,laiesty, in order to influence the opinions of the com-
a,h-a'ity, and to induce them to sign the petitions. This
le-tLnighly irregular, and calculated to do much mischief.
lobo next place, they had thrown out threats of a disso-
k4.a° of Parliament, in case the measure failed, in order
telnituence the votes. He did not mean to say that this
1441,.a.uthorised by the Noble Earl at the head of the Ad-
4,..tstration ; but such a threat had been held out in
tt:ther place by persons connected with the Administra-
J°. and lie was desirous to hear from the Noble Earl
thedttlaration on the subject. In the next place,
gleY had said, that unless the measure was passed,
tleall.Y could not continue in the Ministry nor carry on
Ile
tt Governenent, and that there would be no Ministry
This was not fair, for they ought to allow the
f,.o4ohre to at ind on its merits." These observations drew
nt,,,41, Earl Grey an eloquent and manly speech. After
41,,,10g to the terms on which he accepted office, and
ittt,Prtg that an improper use had been made of his Ma-
name, as " it must be notorious,_ according to the
kip aiples and practice of the Constitution, that the mea-
tioht had the sanction of his Majesty, without whose nuc-
lei- and authority it could have not been introduced by
kV*, tvants," he proceeded to notice what had been said as
sf dissolution. " The Noble Marquis says that threats
die
have been thrown out, and he calls upon
7.eitcoote.bnaadkeeciaar
u
do:ie,,lar;ation on the subject. I shall make
but, at the same time, I have no
itiltt to
rn
says that I consider myself completely co-
the hy and identified with the measure, and by this
stittaut re I shall stand or fall. That in so complicated a
%Ices formed upon such a large and extensive subject,
ash tul: may not he -required to be altered, is certainly
114, toan I can undertake to assert ; but this I will say,
to es far as depends upon me, I will suffer no alteration
air! otade that will detract from its efficiency. As an
tii,to:l!t measure I will stand or fall by it, and withouttiot"9 out any threat of dissolution, I have no objec-
kit :80Y, that in order to support and carry into effect
ktitejeasure, as an efficient measure, there are no means
ktio„'"ed by the principles and practice of the Constt-
%ie cold by a devoted sense of public duty, from the
,:ent of which I will shrink.—Hear, hear.)
kts,,ttner I shall not say on that subject." This
a°diLiraees no doubt of dissolution, should the Bill be
Att,isg,Lio any essential respect ; but it still leaves where
14'6 "le question, whether, in the anticipation of such
Ssel :tion, a dissolution may nzt take place before the
a e 4; the House have again actually been taken. That
ato °f the character of the Bill being materially altered,
e,autsel 'ati°ll would take place, follows as a matter of
tat from Ministers having made an efficient Reform
MatZldition of their acceptance of office. But the
144,7,4 of Londonderry charged Ministers with having
00 04 f.„1'15 the measure was passed, they could not carry
`lvernment, and that there would be no Mi-
t°,qt Q 11." How can there be a Ministry opposed
'"ho 141•1 a ?--" There are persons here (said Earl Grey)
f! er th:as well as I do the state of public opinion all
-tar of cot'aittrYs and I say in their presence, and without
44 contradiction, that there never was a public mea-
entillrnilitQygedii s before, which so nearly united the sentiments
suesUuntry in ts favour. The general voice of the
hea pronounced loudly and deservedly for
"lit few very few, comparatively speaking—have
hiltn;v't against it." Even the Duke of Wellington
ef!to that the measure generally was approved
c he observed "be could see no reason what-
titiu t ;or the change except that it was to gratify indi-
-I,stai C,,nsidersble number of individuals certainly-7
,Ititaar the majority of individuals, and that was no !1,0-
ett,,..!"on for such an important change." Prince
, 11-71 ch and the Emperor Nicholas, probably, concur
ttqGrace in thinking that the opinions of the go-
-14,1-" with respect to their Government are the very last
t° he takers into account; but Earl Grey and his
V~lleagues did not derive their principles from the Congress
4"" f h d h
.or front t-e camp, an tey may be excused
Istit;oLewing the opinions of the governed of some con-
;II," in determining the course of Government. Even
"itlN•aces at the Manchester dinner, declared that he
k °illy to carry on the Government of the country
skits he gave satisfaction to those, of whom the ma-
t 11;-re now favourable to the proposed Reform. With
t'Othi:t admiration, therefore, of an unreformed British
Lutwns lie has declared, that as the majority differ
'°'tosse "lt°, he ought necessarily to be excluded fromp
s,
at,4l Who then dares to say, that without Reform he
seel
is . Undertake to form a Ministry ? Sir Robert
gtes,. not the man • for thought in his heart he dis-
a4 Reform
much' as the Duke of Wellington, and
° the East Retford business what lengths he was
kthdrrl it, to go in
the cause of corruption, he now sees the
:411141,,!'eY of being a bit and bit Reformer. But this
Lteen I°N extorted from the friends of corruption and
tletidlia°f lleforin, by the ernvietion of the impossibility
nag cut against the opinions so decidedly expressed
eatme CC •11,,
Or —to use the forcible language of
4(16 eY, "seta nobody, and only sow the seeds of die-
ich,sitpcutrof
itert._t_t.hrougYhout the: nation ;" and no man pos-
setededi gram of common sense would, with the nation
altertl against them, think of undertaking to form
uttstry.
s., Ith or If Earl Grey is determined to stand or
VateN e measure, the nation, which has so universally
til4l, Siof that measure, will most assuredly stand by
P° riir Robert Peel will gain no more credit for his
ttt:td:t heeal assent to the necessity of Reform, in order to
t aati forin nugatory,than Mr. Herries for his deter-
Nat a° to
t%tet preserve the preponderance of the colonial
Ilittettlated Lug against an alteration of the timber duties,
t°Ptoduce sat effect, which had been adopted
loltWnee, would have been proposed, had he remained
4,14 'l4O The nation loathes the arts of these tricksters,
tits ee °n no one, and only gain so much by their
ihtlen'o," to add to' the persuasion of the necessity
hte4 furlrtisg them. The Marquis of Lontlonderry is mare
it"e. honestly tells us that he hates the Reform,
Sltothe dinainish corruption. To govern, accord-
t is na°ohle Marquis, is to plunder, and that Govern-
e t ush,tarany thought by him the best, which leaves
hweliet. access to the pockets of the people. " Re"
ein,t (he said) had been carried too far, and the
the Crown (that is, the power of those who