The Sun.
London, England, 1831-10-12 00:00:00

POOR LAWS.

Mr. SADLER then rose to move for the introduction
of a measure to better the condition of the poor of this
country. He should defer his observations upon the mea-
sure which he intended to bring forward with respect to
the manufacturing interest. The Government of former
times had put down the disturbancos among the sailors,
but had immediately afterwards removed the cause of
those disturbances. In the same manner the Government
had recently put down the disturbances among the work-
ing classes. It now remained for them to make out the
other part of the parallel, and to remedy the evils from
which the people were suff-ring. In both these cases he
was sure that the disturbances had arisen from the
existence of almost insufferable evils. The Hon. Member
then adverted to the state of prosperity in which the
people of this country had formerly lived upon the produce
of their industry, and contrasted it with their present
state of poverty and distress. His opinion of their poverty
and distress was not the result of any vague reports, but of
the careful examination of the report of the Com-
mittee upon the poor laws. Yet, notwithstanding all this
distress, it was expected that the people would be quiet
and contented, though under similar circumstances such
an expectation would not be formed of every other class
of educated and cultviated men. He denied that this dis-
tress was to be attributed to a redundant population. In
the earlier portion of the period occupied by the last war,
the marriages in Suffolk, Sussex, Wilts, Dorset, Bedford,
and Buckingham, amounted to thirty-nine thousand three
hundred and fifteen, while in the latter period, though our
commercial industry was then at its highest point of acti-
vity, the number, so far from having increased, was actually
diminished, for the amount only equalled 37,327. The same
result was shown by a comparison of the two first years of
that period with the two last years of the same period.
What became then of the theory, that the distress among
the labouring classes proceeded from theformation of these
matrimonial connections in too great numbers among the
lower orders? Even, however, if that theory were true,
did it follow that matrimony was to be strongly discou-
raged among that class of people? Those who contended
for such a course of conduct must be prepared for the con-
sequences, which would he the formation of connections
that would equally add to the numbers of the people, but
in a less moral way. He begged, however, distinctly to
deny, that the agricultural labourers were redundant ; and
lie could quote in support of his opinion that of Mr.
M'Adam, who, in his evidence before the Committee on
this subject, said they were sometimes redundant in winter
titne, but in the summer months, and especially in the
harvest time, there was not a sufficient quantity of work-
men. The fact was attested, too, by the regular influx
of tens of thousands of the Irish labourers, for whom at
that period sufficient labour was always found. He had
in his possession a calculation showing that the Irish male
adult labourers thus employed equalled in number the male
adult labourers of four or five of our agricultural counties.
How then could the agricultural population be called re-
dundant? The evil must proceed from some other cause.
The truth was, that the labouring population was not re-
dundant, but was unequally diffused, and that in winter
the labourers seemed to be too numerous, while in summer
and autumn they were too few. The same observation of
redundancy was never applied to the horses of the far-
mer, or even the horses and dogs of the sportsman, nor
was it applied to any other class of men; and he was
prepared to maintain that it was most unjust to apply
the observation to the agricultural labourers, for though in
winter they might appear to be occasionally unemployed,
they were in fact as necessary to the state as was daily
bread to the people. He traced much of the evil to the
practice of what he would call the engrossment of farms,
which had the effect of depriving the labouring population
of that comfort and independence which they had before
enjoyed. It was a maxim of one of the oldest and best
writers on this subject, that as people increased they should
live more closely, and cultivate their lands more closely ;
but the modern plan seemed to be the reverse of this, for
they lived wider apart, and cultivated more carelessly.
The mode in which the Enclosure Act had been carried
into eff,ct was almost one of the most crying grievances of
which the people had to complain. Those enclosures, by
taking away the poor man's common rights, gave him no
opportunity of assisting to maintain himself by keeping at
a cheap rate a cow or a pig, and a check was thus given
to emulative industry, by preventing him from making
the first advances from a state of poverty to one of inde-
pendence. It might be said that these common rights were
only rights of sufference; but that was the case with most
rights affecting land, for if they were traced back to their
origin, tie; rights of Lords of Manors, as well as the copy-
holders on them, would be found to have arisen in the
first instance from mutual sufferance. What was the lan-
guage of Locke upon the subject of these enclosures ?
" That those who hold an entire county seize neverthe-
less upon the grounds and the cottage•rights of the poor
man;" expressions which pretty strongly declared his
opinion of these enclosures. In the same manner, Sir
Anthony Fitzherbert, one of our earliest and best wri-
ters on the law and agriculture. said that if enclosures
were to take place, the poor man ought to have allot:
=ate for his cottage as well as the rich man for his

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domain ;so that the rich should not be ab Lord".‘ c
In the same sp o
s,
and overwhelm the poor.
observed, that great care ought to be takote°,,,
poor should sustain no injury from the effecdt
.r_ 0,,,P0 6
closures ; and the Chancellor who succeede
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the same subject, that these rules of caution lia:',,. r, .
observed, and that thence had ariaen the
,1:.i0; 'a
country. That able, excellent,
virtuous man—Sir John Sinclair--adopted the
il f. v
eiple; and, as the Chairman of a Committee
°, P;o; t
sures, recognised the rights of the poor; °
Bill ctl#
mittee reported, that if a general Inclosure ,d ~;, ii
passed, every possible attention must be fetter`, t
rights, and the poor would then have been 3 l'ovbi,4l }
of enjoying, as heretofore, several advantages 00. 1,,/ fi
an Act would otherwise deprive them.
.. I, vt. :i
Blackstone, alluding to the want of atteactgore4 a,
rights of the poor exhibited in these I°, i c
14. ,
called it with great truth, ~ a fatal rural po
_b, ii
' were the opinions of those various eminent ateaiwv; c
had referred to ; and, supported and strengtber:o4l, i
that tpc,,hici
he thought he was justified in saying,
these rights had led to many of the evils roli.whte,,
poor were now suffering. Another evil of orb toet, a
plained was the diminution of the habitation. :litt,., I
enlightened
si; i,
and he established this point by reference
et°_,,,f'o: I
and present number of the residences for the 11;,i
folk.. He would not have adverted to this distsoe; 1
ject, if he had not thought that a remedy 040, i
plicable to the grievance. The effect of otf 'tiler, s
poor together was to introduce a system ° gie I
immorality. A main cause of the prevailin!,
of it?,
t
the poor was the abolition of small farms, 8, ha he !I
common. What then was the remedy winf,.l. but!, I
suggest? It was not tentative or experinteuTtlie It', i
tical and practicable. He did not thesuggetthiy 1
and sinews of the empire should be seat t° tad I
or to the Pole—he did not even recoo bat r
the poor should be located on the tvattesoold
a number of comfortable cottage' 501, I'
constructed, which might be let for Os. °I. To . 1
and would return a fair interest of ult)nenYt‘le.°oll t
itecnhooetwtetisa,..e.egscetus,rTbihtiyylee
means
auontlnidsi.eoafi‘nianeiesiibaeslrmi
parishes.
taandl Igard e u 9/ 11— cis of id 1
poor to cultivate the unproductive head 300° 00
~
fields. He would also give the poor the
¢d to Pr2ltoe I. i
these advantages might be obtained viith°3'hil*Pc Ot°7Ai I
tried upon a small scale by the fevaTnathhnPeecrer:o;:fP:Pro'llei:;t::lnfr:tedil ll'
Members for Oxford. The effect bad bethilpeo rotat" '
1 poor rates wherever the expet imeot bad "1„" 011'1,1:
saw no reason why the poor should not h'.;- eefiteu -o,'
aitfb(:,:inpe.airogeraevarudpyepwel
dlnpaiileoittifnliutios:tcsir
tpbreoalidaugnngh(bi
htryi
rights of
tt
ouhot
ofepeoxipannerpheoppapullbtoye
iirt.otstanyon, f;tiHsgi
:breuooa
trui
h:bot,d,yhped:eorttsoe
cibe
rei,t
,ti, j
II
erberj
iyi ojoi ,
:bs:
o,eei
re:
04,
:si; ,
pmairgihshte,sb.e
slufpheeriwnteernededaskeeidthbeyr wbhyatt:e3e'itbst tilt o'l
derofule per /
parish, by the overseers of the poor, or hi j5OOCe; 'ot,
great objection to the plan would be that r'izlittore it
1
vaded upon by every Turnpike Bill, and n)ribitik sohllo
portant and beneficial object he did Oa dle,i'o.,s
would take the proposition into its seriousrooo4:
olueladvebetcoati carried into execution
uil tca:ol, frths
~P,,,
facility. It would regenerate the poor, 4tettlc,:..;;'"
kindly feeling between them and their A rlb.,lll.'el' ~,
effect. „(over, /
Mr. CRIPPS agreed with the Hon' P., or,'
agricultural labourers of this country wete,lll.talhei,',
ant if none but Englishmen were emplort aloe '''
i
Lord ALTHORP said, that as the 11°'3.01 01
Aldborough complained of the inattentioa orlti ,
thaisnxspieeteye,ht,olihee(arLowrhdaAt Ihtills4p,_:)l.tdreisor"noil,l'
wdgiatpshsaurgtrreoeafthe Hon. Gentleman that be mmsposiri°rA
twdehtHi Ilixuiilooettirnuenlti tin:
during
and
ni the
edn Id:
therefore
r.
ethr 0
rtßeh uet
begged
cause
leave
a: ,
—( Hear.) He was already aware of the u'St , 011
agricultural labourers, and therefore his 30,,ie)arfl'si,)I
much to hear these distresses detailed asap r°,:o-edri),kepi
ey
mp,
see it
best
depressedwt
Rol
tt.
seaai
hutsnhstßi
mnEehtn. ,
Ri
stcE
at
oi
aah,
ttnngrf:hpas‘uieept‘tlgfsenhv, the
remedy Hun.
I 0 bGee,nttoleutprov,:,.;;'toe.droorri,
with eaGanefisnttblhabitation and a small piece c'n;': V
them.—(Hear.) He (Lord Althorp) 110°,°,;; the ,
elietodsied; d-i:
01
t)ti'''''?
first sight it was obvious that that was A -0%0. '
itihyinagle;gibsulattiivtewaens
asctitlilnaeacitu,eosrtiosnhawallidetil,teer_.:„(lt
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to
attentioneebnrytis igi.
yioitntmod
his
ipcaselhißn
subjects
dulelobn,
jutaebupon
hc
thatotnl m
ne e.
gciLegislature'connected
d.
could
l e.
vi fere
07,
ijo
aoAnfc,dtth
eot
e country
condition Parliament.oafn the
opportunity
pilp3iou,
ortautyurehni
neiittyp orlwouldalfaitleeds
,rg:itco:goi(ilfgoortioflti
the evils, b!, the 001,1,:
House, as the Hon. Gentleman had so tul,i.-atil°',,,
hienvyiaej,,hao risen,nudl
,i
tnio, practicabilityetretoforoep pnoostoeff a
trihtt siel
further
roovc
motion,ie,ai
pay:rile' tfrovotrj:
ut I°
that the House should accede to it. h, sgt
Mr. SLANEY did not believe that the 04,c,'•
labourers throughout the country were illid (RP;
avid degraded state which his Hon. Friend 11-011,,'
realel() tsi,•tanttely.
of t
hlen
lasboomuererpsar; tst,miti nidnouattihteedrisYttliphgekt.vdlrf
paratively well off. The difference betwee at'?
pgiiafiawaaTt)t)
erl:nprf,:etil
lewdi‘d,pscsr:fiel
eithe4:::hibitrrrat)punih..eptruirolioleeenatat:SEßodit:
ndoitehrd:libsßirtl..otfftstoetri
ihTthi..Thoattse,bgescoliteteokreech northern
st
ilialeanydd
were
oern thoseegi
in that
hntalti
menysueoacurht
6hie4ii.rgn:o[l::::::;:ii
great as if they were two distinct races of -ip Pio r,
tl
than in the former counties. By the returu'ir,oo
in Sussex ; in Bedford 6s. 2d. ; in Iduckiogitose,a'
in Cumberland 2s. Id. ; and in Shrorabirme ari4,, '
~
rehspaauotdteuchstoiivrnooupee.bgegaennyndyaesnib(
dasnictyoidv,
buott;ffolieitntoeotiinfiilhdtumroni
(nheiaels lrniaeetroGtbrlnsn,
afs,‘teptsri.‘porits roitesiythvb%'aerold,i
for
leordttuoi.
e.
:or:
ovi with
ut
lot
itis..l..ooo°l3igt`",,,ioerl
loPv
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lig,.evi'l 1
1-
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(ie.
trt,tilro,ot.,), flueefeddl
ip!vocre,
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1'
iu the southern counties to the abuses °I. 11,:1)tc,
ally to the due administration of those 1070,e c'o,,,
of the labourers. Although he did not etriroill,!
the views of the Hon. Member for Al/ °.j
the country. „ t to
opposition to the introduction of the Bill. , vroo",',; 1
tages and gardens for the labourers; but ..„4,-. U]riplii,
brought forward the subject ; but be slio ept, li,,y,
sesAsliro.nßofoßPlaNriSiaomNenet.egrelttte thatsobsllptip':: ::.:ar:
generally ao ,
one engrossing question took up the time bob
Parliament, er64
rliament, to the exclusion of every other,'
000 iii
its claims upon the consideration of the,'he At 6 I
Whether a man were or were t, under the
to r c
beth, entitled to parochial relief, it .va° nA°;d rIl:,
that, in a country like England, able-b°",,eatelle/r,
to work should be without the weans of %her o, fi',.
Mr. D. W. HARVEY contended tbattb-, tootoil"ri ,
otot feelinghi ffieei‘t il
isipLred.ffouptepsot
rlitoerirnroyfgur.l
front
tut:, :os
hut
hNitvcetahhs
Government,et
humblerilep calculatedoorerc ti o
Classesslasone csdv ye fry :
or
se
ii ey 6
et p e 0 ro
to," ,
I
e :et: 1)i i
HUNT likewise entered into a Etdo°f°ls,, / 1 ,
,11/ :,
contend against. d ne" t ce°' t
Sir THOMAS BARING concurr° f,,,10" tat
views of the Hon. Member for Aldboroug 0,"010° )it
in strong terms the callection of largeet°o4tiefeltifill i
ittgas under pretext of procuring orreliel the
v
not be in the power of the Government OO4
to afford. Its t° 111. ' 1
Mr. WEYLAND expressed his tha° w rd 1
Member for Aldborough for bringing flic tabe l'he
:‘t the e
1
sure ; and argued that it was the JOY °,o,arP-,ro?,
I
to endeavour to restore to the poor agrt°' the rou
tages of which he had been deprivA 11 t tv°,(ti,al I
manufactures. He hoped that Governuten,,id sP ,
0t0.,. h I
period of repose which the prorogati° . III'),
of turning the matter in their minds. factipp .01,
t
r
felt Mart.seAeiTngT NtVheoHoaDaseexopfrecss,e,dmitiblaepasatti!etpipieliiier,/
a
functions in inquiring into the state of lo
is
according to the statements made by 1-I°% rrit°'t o
r
rented a scene of pauperism, misery, " 0,.
patible with the existence of the Slaw..
,be I'Ve,i', s
Sir C. WETHERELL complitnenTt the Iv , o
r
tier for Aldborough on his active and ratel7of t
t
favour of the poor and industrious OP' iie
re' : I
,unity. id be
dit ion of the farmer, they would not I'll'''.
: I.
anyMarr.tiPficAiaGlEmTeadnesn. iedutrhilaetssthtie,elymcoorti"itoopvrt :lit:
I'l
tion of the labouring classes. tilt
Mr. SADLER replied and ... better ,
tionLeoafvethwe • a,
ira ,
WEST INDIES. ,0 o t
ot I cc'
Mr. BURGE withdrew them otion that 1 f
i g yes notice for this night, n,t supposig.oo, ft ' f
the present bring it to any useful discussibe repo
dte r
Colonel TRENCH, in bringing opetoopei
aismgoiuvreinngtopboorirug in a Bill to t
Committee for the improvement of the
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. .
that the bad state of the atmosphere arid the
the
eposure to
death of
unequal draughts of air had already caused tiduous sea_
several Hon. Members in the course of
'd°n• Ile had to state that three architeettbsi.shaad been con-
-I,!"lted--Sir Geoffrey Wyatt, Mr. Benjamin Wyatt, and
Kr. Smirke. He would first state in what they agreed,
then in what they differed. They all agreedaltthogateththere
accninatodation in. the House at present was
inadequate to the number of Members, and that two feet
tiwas the least space which ought to be allotted to every gen-
n" who had to sit for a number of hours.—(Hear,from
-r• R. Coe had
and laughter.) He had admitted,
eighteen
thoart
in the theatre% a apace of not more than
twenty inches was allowed.—(oh, and laughter.) In the
Rouse as it then stood there were only seven hundred
feet accommodation ; therefore only accommodantiteiinthfeorr
-'
Members. Note, Sir G. Wyatt's plan wfase,to
tide to open a recess between the piers of 30
iti7eerrfeittewtvitih a flat roof, which should not ine 'thsendleatsot
These re-
th the building as it then stood.
be w.ould afford accommodation to 140 Members.
hßuast
'' Al eoeindered the plan liable to objection,. inasmuc
mr* Neaker would have great difficulty in seeing Hon.
.
,--enn3ers in those remote recesses ; and they would find it
all the
iciarcelY possible to make themselvt s heard
b °T,u,se., Mr. B. Wyatt's plan was, that the Houseby should
s..reieeted into the lobby and that beyond that another
to
more extensive lobb should be constructie-p—ersaoors _
Y
who
votedth be himself inclined, and to which al
well
would
tii°o the late division must, he should imagine, feel
be 4c2Posed. By this addition to the House there
According
tcnnoodation afforded for 100 Members.
tPeors-e "nal allowance of eighteen inches space for each
ii, --(),0 there would then be in the House accommodation
sm
ir 6W Members, and for 450 at least, that ample.t P
.110
taWf 0144 a man of ordinary dimensions migrhst.—si(,.asienara,
hes,. rta, tile position, for a number of hours.—(Hear,
-., near, and 1 b.) The plan of 1$ r. Wyatt he
eowder,. . a laugh.) . .
tllhisoaettiincuattle
1 •
350 , , and he
BthweasaCenarnhear hearing
urgillt,s3blettcla.r;ried into effect, at a small expense
relation
re gilt this Plan tvouAldir.gBivmeiraklel
lred. The next points be considered wereeally
iim.
pro ventilation The first might be wij,ed
wed he construction of a new roof, frmamartdeeidroaarnyd
mean_
mut , and by the adoption of the o
infinitely better.
it eht:le
.the ventilation might be made tilterv!inProvements might beeffected witfhouwtahnicyheshsr
btaiadl
the .ion in the form of the apartment,
ki retest veneration. Interruption,
by construct-
.ttbe av id dto Mr. Wyatt . doors
tot a
~ 0 e according tooo,rto the Speaker
Shotartaage round the apartment,
her open upon every gangwaytfhla°tmanwllllotenb. Afem-
the' kin,,..takitig his place need`nlver pass over thelafl
toioonr.
ofof
ketuk-use• Nor need there ever be that.
am rrs at the Bar, which now gave rise to noise
offor(?.terruption to the debate. The atiteerabtieornes,
wouldwould
ill
re Inereased accommodatione to the
Ablemthem to have
itebet4e,_ the size of the House, would enable ring, and foci-
litate`tr ventilated, would improve the bee
and ,noesua of communication from one part to
of another,
9001.
In all this ‘vould be performed for the sum
that the statement, he was bound to tell the House
r had d're CoMmittee appointed to investigate this ma as tt. 4greed from him, and that the report he bad made
rding to the
tai.Tir Chairman was of course made. a
sktZle of the Majority, but h
fro osed that
at th as before. The Gallant Colonel then p
.tl, e
te should
is own opc‘noremained the
be ~ee 6gianing af next Session the Comm!
ostrue_
tio,:erred, and should receive at the same timei
titerioatt lobehich of the plans they should adopt—thator
that of
hiiiidi g House in the way he proposed,coro
mittee.—
of
(It wed
another, as was suggested by the
the..efl Mentioned that such a motion was irregular.)
. He
eei: tore Moved that the report of the Comm
kedr. ay three weeks.
d'cti HUNT
Mee be re-
thought that something ouighvtastofeblet
fdroonme
the wy tO remedy the inconvenience whic i s .
Cleat t,.t window when the wind was blowing Members
, lie also suggested that as many Hon.
__.or
- eir boo, h with • ' and frequently walked
rather t ---8 8..0u iron,
artNe rfortted---(A laugh)—or rather went in a bog-trot
ahriulic-o'end lau laughter)-.across the House, a carpet
Colonel"e Put flow! to diminish the noise.
by be down
said that one observation made
to
the Ho Gallant Colonel induced bim. to say a few words ,
for it
jillproovuesti. They were told that this proposed plan would
was °he e.hearing. He should be glad of that,
heard; .4 laid that Member,, and
~-, ithe for
. one, coupledrvneorttebil rre„,,,.......rtnis so said by that corrupt, hired, and
what
He
'Pith! hav„:l,,augh.) He stated that without offpearrees.
"ad befo --. r"Peeting him by that corrupt.
now th re Miced for better accommodation,fofrorthwaatswaaost
to
All he asked
he rueise&ellae for not hearing.
to consider
this sub 'ePreaented• He desired the House
the Jeet attentively, and unless they
• pro„
fretted posed alteration would be sure of producing h
should
were satisfied that
be tti .grantages, he should, for one, say that.
houtZet,williog to lay out 60,000/. for buildinge
not ha a_n4ll to expend 6,900/. for alterations that mightanew
ii.
..rifficient.
if the 4 WROTTESLEY was perfectly convinced
. that,
1,414tY attempted to make the proposed alterations, they
aleao,
rtie4ialLend a Much larger sum without obtaining adequate
Air, oettap-uoation, and that in every respect it w
ti...theY ought to have a new House.
n ' WARlotri
° tkht
.., 4.1 i-,,RTON said there wasonmeodaetteomf attempt they
fres., tt intoa e, atid that was to alter the
no*
at the
as it was
House. He understood that
. they were
etilled 21 great expense to pump in fresh air, obtain the chief place from which thati
House,
at th,7 was one fiorn which the air sent
.I.tic
and
offen,i :1:1" near which he sat, was most mePl hi
tic
htheairwas
(tilde'
,
tented., the 'UST hoped that something would beodfomnearityo
of the've'e Present acknowledged inconvenience
kr. ''''es attached to the House.
*l' had T3IC.ER fully agreed with the Gallant Cerolcoono_l
sideratish 41trwitteed this question, that the farther Weeks:" (4. the report ought to be postponed
was
sr
likely
t.,„° talt; „I" as within that time the prorogation %
He wast" ace, it would amount to an entire postponiement:
With vi surpris and disappointed that an Hon. A ember
'65 rou,,'°,lll heed
had had the pleasure of voting for the last
_
vocate''tos age
Reform, should now appear as
by
ardo-
Posiogtl Ileforro, and should begin his advocaley
uyst pop.
Pose hi: re!love the .Piers.—(A laugh.)
.m
Li I hand' 5441 the Right lion. Gentleman, in this Reform,
the
°hieet eropPosed others in one of a political kind,
A flea ,h°l\ which was also to remove the Peers 1
10 hi',4;)11..11e. !old us that no man can sit co.mpfpolrytathialyt
, Nils •-v without two feet.—(Laughter.) A
It ii,- i'l dieter, 11 'noun% t r.ea, as well as to parts ofhthree booodleys,sawnde
f eve autitlio 0 thi, that we cannot sit
atndaroaotog Ineasure.--(Laughter.) Thesee
Sir, are his
Into such
-'orditi "' Principles.--(Much laughter,)
• mkos of CZ4dooitieln fall if the shut
the
oeoy
etriber ins ao experience, that
pr,potid pite of the vote of last night, produces this
.esantodtGhealilato.e-t
INN ".fnr the enlargement of this house at the
Was a
„Period. We last night agreed to a measure that
Roi4"lvalent to a dimingution of the Members of
. thiss
pi.optar!lnd on this, the followinr, night,
taininirr,declarng that this House is incapahled
of
that it
a resolution
viacool-
cutle " Present number of its Members, a,o
1100. tbie rnade larger..---(lfear, hear.)
Was ,„„e etnan then went on to show that•
very r`a're'l iently
large for its intended es that it
tflihee HouseRight
ill'lte it tares hay large
to be even crow
the ex-
ce.tion,
I, Urger would be to go to an expense foi_
i should
eettai_ , rather than for the rule of attendance.
dPeudr ands
that
tehicOlY oppoee the further consideration on thlisesub'ect,
bout
he thought
e.
KEIL,
After f quite needless to be introduced at }this
the ~ a ew Wo frons Col. TRENCH and Mr.Cao
,eotion asps tponed until this 'lay three weeks.
Su The ATTORNEY-GENERAL
B4NICRRUPTCY COURTS BILL.
k_
Pt)__Y
.Ceourts' Bill be re-committed.
moved that the But
knrt:„...question that the Speaker leave the Chair,
oppose
the 13i11 NIGHT objected, and said he should not e-
Darn,/ " a Party question, but merely on its own s
"Zeh- ge anisette admitting, at the same time, that some
me
eti r 1 the law upon this subject was expedient.
reittl
.trit? the hietory of the Bankrupt Law from the
Masse °I Elizabeth, when it was established, down to the
.
'ng of tl i
Whertin ie ate Bankruptcy Law Consolidation Bill,
Roluilly! a 5..... he proceeded to the labo.urs. of Sir Samuel
tiesl ill. ate followed it by an examination of the r,.,
~
resulthe p c°oVeniepeee of the old system, as compared with
resultr°tP4ed cbange, anti dwelt upon the injury that must
orti:t trade from thus launching an entirely new code,
' e le to the whole of the commerce and manufactures
nliaa' empire. He contended that if the present Com-
toners were incom ete t it was the forth of the pre.
otieent Lord Chancellor,. pwhon 'had the uncontrouled power
4 reMoving them at his
ow-
ll'ents and to A pleasure. He then referred to d .
Ir. Montague's letter to Sir R. Peel, to show
114.0tre'omparatively few of the bankrupts' petitions, whether
Zree the Lord Chancellor or the Master of the Rolls,
is
theaPPeals front the decisions of Commissioners, Thus,
Iva halfyear from October 1629, to Afore, 1830, there
kr:" 343 bankrupt petition's before the Lord Chancel-
of the 14 0. f which complained of the decisions
th Cornttussloners. Before the Master of the Roll,
ere were i -1.
Were appeals June
1826, 190 petitions, of which only 23
fro e were 253
ther fro Commissionerg, while in the next month
petitions, only 27 of which were appeals
f. in Commissioners. He denied that the cases cited on a
mars u.ight afforded any fair representation of the ordi-
-4 y bubmess in bankruptcy; and while he allowed some

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of the objections urged to proceeding by af►davits, he con-
tended that it was attended with many advantages, and
that the evidence of this kind in Chancery was often not
more voluminous than in cases in the Courts of King's
Bench and Common Pleas. The Hon. and Learned Gen-
tletnan commented at considerable length on the clauses of
the Bill, each of which, he contended, was inadequate to
its proposed object. He complained, that by the Bill the
liberty of the subject would be exposed to hazard, and jus-
tice differently administered in different parts of the country.
He objected especially to the powers of the official assignees,
and thought that the expence of Commissions would be
greater under the new system.
Sir CHARLES WETHERELL would use an ex-
pression of Lord Brougham's on another occasion, and say
that this Bill stunk under his nostrils. .

On the motion of Mr. G. BANES, the debate was ad.
journed to this day.
Toe other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at a Quarter past Two.

FROM THE GAZETTE OF LAST NIGHT.

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