The Sun.
London, England, 1836-12-29 00:00:00

CHURCH RATES.

Speech of the Rev. J. E. GILES at the Great Meeting
at Leeds, on Thursday last, on the Church Rite Question.
.The Rev. J E. GILES (Baptist Minister) said, as Aid.
flail lido Opposed the resolution on the ground of his being
aim of
,9o(I, the question arose in what
concerned ior
,bei, propagated
way God hail commanded ins"
ling the same
and and lie called upon that g:.ntleman, and Au nu.
Wrl% sinzle precept or example in the New 7s"
taaient of any aiteiii;l. 4.q fralv.l., money from men, con-
trary id .Wishes . and consent, Pi* tbo purpose of
?;t4kr„,lliiii religion:--= L6tid Applause.) Time C3',!Mc" 0/e}•
were thwa advocatln,f' .6:fo of Him who
said---:" Whatsoever ye would lull ?+!h'i sli9uld do unto
d,13 Stir ritiB iftito filets." Would IL iv. 114 all; as
a Protestant, ;;!,: Willing that the Cathonct
should tax him to the support 4i4i'„ Cathedrals ; would
lie; us ;In Episcopalian, say he was willing Indepen-
daio 141+1 i 8 the support of Independency 10'001
he, as an advocate et recession and episcopal
Ordination, say he was willing to .i.l.+eo to support the
OriattillBriso ifreTtilarities cf the conventicle Hall
eitne:' W:11 not willing so to be LAtd,
(Mr. Hall—Not willing.) iid he was not willing
applause)—then let him do to otif6f "*he would
tlidt td him.—( Loud cheers, and a fict.:,on
in the crowd, apparently a Prerative Conservative,"
called out " The Regiuin donum.: j As ft Dissenter, he
abotnitiritcd the Rep,ium donum, and in so sayiii IN spoke
the sentiment of the gftutt body of Dissenters ; there i-tot
scarcely a Dissenter in the countrY Sbo advocated it, but
those who had to do with it.—( Applause.) Tito gentle-
man alluded to seemed to think it would be unjust to Vod
to do away church-rates ; but surely it would not be un-
just to God to propagate his religion in the way be had
commanded.—(The Upcfatito Conservative--.." He com-
manded an Established Church.") If the person who said
so would show the passage of Scripture, he Wonld give up
the *held question directly, and would show him,.in tilts i'ery
next passage, that foil 64 Commanded us to commit murder.
( Dr. Hunter—" build a temple hi Jettigalorn to my name."—
The Operative Conservative—" Our Saviothi' Bays---` Thou
art Peter, and upon this rock will I build my churcli.'")—
Peals of laughter.) It had been said—What was to be-
come of the poor ? where were they to go to ? Why, it
was well known, the greater part of the poor who were re-
ligiously disposed, had found out where to go to, for they
were regularly seen in the Dissenting places of worship—
(loud applause)—where there was not only specific accom-
modation provided for them, but the doors were open to
everybody, who had a right to go in till the place was foil.
In answer to the question, what was to become of the poor
who were wandering like sheep without a shepherd,he would
say there were shepherds enough, if they would only look
after the sheep.—(Applause.) Let them look at Ireland.--
(Tremendous cheering.) Though it was a fast that the
Church of Ireland had a larger revenue, and more -wealth
at its disposal than any other religious body, yet, notwitb,
standing all this wealth to make provision for looking after
the poor, notwithstanding the number of shepherds too, the
poor were left to wander like sheep without shepherds.—
(Applause.) It had been said the poor would suffer in
temporal things, as though the Dissenter's did nothing for
the poor in that respect. Did they not bear their share of
the burden of poor rates ? Besides that, was it not the re-
gular practice in Dissenting chapels, once a month, to collect
for the poor ? Twelve collections, annually, in every place
of worship, went to the support of the poor ; and were it
not for that, the poor rates would be much heavier than they
are.--(Loud applause.) They were told, on the other hand,
for arguments were drawn from opposite sources, that they
ought to submit, because the Church was the most wealthy
part of the community, or they would not receive such con-
tributions from their wealth as had hitherto been the case.
But if they were the most wealthy portion of the commu-
nity, why did they come to the Dissenters for support ?
( Applause.) What became of the argument drawn from
the poverty of the people? Were the poor to be taxed
for the support of the rich ? Were the poor, who were
willing to build and support their own places of worship,
to be taxed to supply the want of zeal or inclination on the
part of the rich ? Surely if the friends of the Establish-
ment were more wealthy, as he believed them to })e, he
might submit to them, with great confidence, whether it
was not a disgrace that they were unable to look after that
part of religious exertion which they ought to make for the
advancement of the cause of God.—(Loud applause.) He
trusted that whatever was done would be done with the best
possible spirit, with firmness, yet with kindness, benevolence,
and Christian feeling. They knew not in what way this
great question now taking hold of the public mind might be
settled, and what might be the determination of the Al-
mighty Ruler of all events respecting it ; it might be, in
consequence of abuses, that he had seen fit to manifest his
power in the way of judgment. But that they knew not ;
and it did not become them as creatures to launch forth the
thunders of the Creator, in noisy fulminations, or the vin-
dictive fury and flashes of a bitter and uncharitable spirit,
but rather to imitate the spirit of their Lord and Saviour,
who, while he lived and died for the truth, ministered truth
with love.—(Loud applause.)

At a meeting last week of the Literary and Philo-
sophical Society of Carlisle, Dr. Barnes read an essay on
the topography of Cumberland, and stated among other
things that silver and copper are now got in great quan-
tities in several places of the county. At Newlands, near
Keswick, a very rich mine of gold was discovered by
David Holchester, a German, in the time of Queen Eliza-
beth, but was discontinued working in consequence of a
memorable law-suit between that Queen and the Earl of
Northumberland, the lord of the manor of Derwentfells.
CAPTAIN MARRYAT'S NOVELS.—The admirers
of Captain Marryat's singularly graphic productions will be
pleased to hear that an illustrated edition of his popular
novels is on the eve of appearing in monthly volumes, to
be published with the magazines. The series will com-
mence with i‘ Peter Simple," of which Coleridge said, "
have received a great deal of pleasure from some of
the modern novels, especially Captain Marryat's Peter
Simple.' That book is nearer Smollett than any I re-
member. It is, indeed, an admirable novel, and worthy of
the noble service it is written to illustrate."—Spectator.—
The first volume will appear on the 2d of January.
Those who are doomed to undergo the misery of
journeying as an outside passenger on a stage coach at this
inclement season, usually adopt measures with the view of
ameliorating their discomfort, which tend greatly to aggra-
vate it. They huddle round the fire to the last moment,
and, when summoned to mount, gulp down hastily a glass
of ardent spirits, and betake themselves to their places,
where the inefficacy of their nostrum is very speedily at-
tested by their chattering teeth and shivering limbs. To
attain the maximum of comfort the circumstances admit of
they should drink a tankard of ale, cold from the tap, and
rub their hands, ears, and faces with snow, immediately
before they start. This will produce a glow more lasting
and agreeable than any other artificial means is capable of
producing.
A considerable increase in the sale of Mr. Col-
burn's " New Monthly Magazine" is anticipated, in conse-
quence of Mr. Hook's having undertaken the editorship.
Its publisher could certainly have adopted no step more
calculated to increase the interest of its pages than the
availing hiraself of the talents and resources of the distin-
guished and witty author of " Savings and Doings." On
this score alone it may be predicted that the " New
Monthly" will hereafter be as pre-eminent for its mirth and
humour as it has hitherto been (and will no doubt continue
to be) for its literature and arts, and we think the public
have reason to congratulate themselves much on the occe-
sion.

DREADFUL ACCIDENT AT DERBY.-An alarm-
ing accident, by which three individuals were severely in-
jured and one killed, occurred on Thursday last, at Derby.
About three o'clock in the afternoon the residents in Agar-
street, near the Friar-gate, were alarmed by a sudden and
tremendous crash, and on proceeding to the spot from
whence the noise issued, it was found to arise from a beam
of cast iron, which supported the floor of the fourth story
of a newly-erected mill (which was nearly completed),
having given way. The floor in its descent bore down
those underneath it to the ground, and George Harlow,
Thomas Tomlinson, and John Hecley, who were at work in
the mill, were most severely injured. Another workman,
named George Watson, was unfortunately killed on the
spot, and his mutilated corpse was not rescued from the
ruins until half-past seven o'clock in the evening.—Derby-
shire Paper.
THE DUCHESS DE LA VALLIERE.—The trans
lation of this historical romance, which has been just pub-
lished, in consequence of the announcement of Mr. Bulwer's
drama, is attracting much attention. Indeed the history
of Mdlle. de la Valliere is so interesting, and the period in
which she lived so brilliant, that it might have been ex-
pected to furnish the ground-work for a dozen romances.
Those who have not perused the present work have a rich
literary treat to enjoy.
A GIGANTIC SADDLE.--All extraordinary saddle
of mutton was lately exhibited at Gainsborough, from a
sheep bred and fed by Mr. Thomas Holthy, on a farm be-
longing to Sir C. Anderson, on the High Wolds, in the
East Riding of Yorkshire. At one year old its. weight
alive was 22st. 81b.—two years old, weight 26st:f;--at three
years old, weight before slaughtered was 27st. 21b.—Fed on
grass, turnips, rape, and oats. The saddle weighed 4st. 81'o.,
the fat over the whole saddle nearly five inches thick, and
equally laid on. When killed the quarters weighed 671 b.
each.—Country Paper.
A few clays ago three seamen, part of the crew of
an Irish vessel loading coal at Loughor, placed a large iron
pot of fire just kindled in the forecastle previous to going
to bed, having first nearly closed the hatch ; in the morn-
ing all three were found dead in bed.—Carmarthen Journut.