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FRIDA E B LT AR 17 19, 1814.

the greatest national importance, an be trusted,
the British Government would Dever cons,ent to
authorise the subjects of the country to cancel
their allegiance ! Rights whieh, whife the coun-
try was in a state of perilous and extenalbe war-
fare, were still of ro.ore peculiar haportarice. The
pretext of implied citizenship: as urged by the
American nef,Yociatori, WWI the next topic edverted
to by the Noble Secretary ; a character so easily
assumed by and allowed to any individual, when
any British-born subject may appear before a ma-
gistrate of 'the United States, and upon the allega •
tion of two persons, may obtain letters of citizen-
ship. Between site) persons and :the ne,tives of
the United States was said no,dillerenee'would
be made. This proposition was highly reprobated'
by his Lordship, and it was the leading point in
the Address which he was about to propose, to
which their Lorships would be called upon.to say
whether or not they approved of the conduct of
his Majesty's Government in. rejecting so unjtisti
liable, so dangerous a proposition He trusted
that right woold never be abandoned, at least un-
til an substitute could he l'tnid. Upon
drat point, he trusted, no difference of opinion
would exist in that House, vrhatever there may
wall respect to minor considerations. If any
NOI6 Lord thought. that the British Govern-
inent ought to agree to such a psoposition,
he could not consistently vote for the Address he
should have the lidriour to propose. If any
Noble Lord held the r4ghtin questioo of vital im-
portance, and that it should not be relinquished by
Great Britain, he certainly would support the Ad-
dress. Ile trusted.the'llouse would prove to the
World, that it was not so-base as to barter the.na-
tional honour for advantages of trade,,,or to sa-
crificetheindeperidence of Cow:l'y for commer=
chi aggrandisement. He trusted their Lordships
would prove they were not so broken, so sundered
by political divisioas,'as not .to go hand in hand
to the 'Throne, with an Address founded on the
opposite principle of national honotir and inde-
pendence. l'he.Noble Earl
then moved an Ad-
dress tci hiti Royal Highness' the Prince Regent,
express i e oft me sentiments inculcated in the. coo rse
of hisspeech, and the sense of their Lordships, that
his Majesty's Government conlanot assent to the
proposition& of that of the United States, without
surrendering soul e of the most ancieni and important
right~ of the British, nation, and that impressed
with such sentiments, they would :ieftionsly and
cordiaily support his Royal Highness in every
thing 'that may he necessary for prosecuting
the war with vigour to a safe and honourable eon-
elusion. •
On the question,

The. Marquis of LittISDOvi;NE rose to express his
satisfaction, at the Address being so framed, that
those wbo may have differed upon fOriiter part; of
the policy of hit Maiesiy's laovCronient, with re-
spect to the United States of America, did not
now feel it neeeSsary to withhold that acquiesence
to it; which he for one, was anxious to give. He
admitted it .wmis not necessary, for the purpose of
deCiding 'Too the present question,' to advert to
any of the preceding considerations, as alladed to
by theNoble.Earl. The present proposition con-
filed itself to the consideration, whether it was
reasonable or not to expect from the American
Government; upon the repeal of the Orders in
Comicil, a cerrespOndent disposition.in the Go-
vernment of the"UOited States to feel anti allow
for the extent of the sacrifice. fie thought it was
fairly toebe expected; that upon their. knowledge
of that concession, the American Gdvernment
wOulti have recurred to that state, in which,.with
ntiew to the circomitallees, the existing difference
could be but and most successfully adjusted.
With respect to the qnestion of the hnpressment
of seamen, he did not conceive it so much a dis-
pute upon principle, as to refer to points of ahuse
. incidental to the exercise of that right. It was a
(itiation that unavoidably involved Much of feel 7
ing and of prejudice, and he trutited the Noble
Earl would not expect his:vOte so much upon the
questioo involving the right, as upon One involv.
jog the circumstances attending it.' Re observed
with much satisfaction, in the Correspondence of
the Noble Secretary' of State,. and with still More
in the declaration issued on the part.of his Ma-
jesty, a diSposition manifeSted to enter intodis-
euiSions upon the point, and to'listen to any pro:.
position on the part of the Atrierican Government.
He lamented that part of the conduct of the baited
Statestifforde&grouild for the'' mputatiOn of a
hostile disposition "towards this Country : he was
also of opinion, that, if the Orders in Council
Were recalled at any' earlier period, the War they
were now involved in with 'America Would never
have taken place, and of which he thought a
stronger proof could not he afforded than the
course of the transactions as they appeared hi the
Papers, "as at an 'earlier' period it would have been
impossible to excite the people olAmerica against
this country, as it had since been, and Oh the Very
groithd of these Orders in Council. The great in;,
fluemice of iblic opinion upon such a Government
as that of the United States should be consi-
dered. Adverting to the reciprocal and connect-
ed interests of both countries, he thou lit the
wisest and best policy of the 'British Covt'rffinent
would be a systernito conciliate the good opinimi ,and
'tiven the prejndiee, of not only the people, but
the Government Of time United States. As things
were, and • in the state of 'war in' width' tlds
ti.y was placed; he knew and felt there was no
other resource but in a vigorous and effeetnal pro-
Seention" of it. (Hear, 114:44r !) —He had bow-
e%.'er to rt gret,. there were circumstances attend;,
'inn the cGtiduct of this unfottunate War whiell
Went to alzg•ravitte its evil ;=---there wa;
vho'ur acid eN,ertion which he could mit hot re-
Prebetiti,--the powerful and 6kiensiyie nicans pos.
sessed. by his Alikiety's Government should be
considered, inure espueially when the whole lite tit

and resources of the enemy lay open to their ope-
ration. 'This country possessed a navy,
.ivrought
to the highest pitch of power, which was
rated, in a great measure, for the purpose of fresh
operations, capnble'at the least of overwhelming
the small stlur l o s of the !United States. The
preseaited itself of teaching an infe-
rior, enemy at one the disadvantages of that si-
Nation in whieli she had placed herself. But
these eere considerations, which he knew were
not eonnected V.-ith the present question, hut they
irlll ho made the subject of distinct discussion.— .
Ile agreed entirely with the Noble Secretary of
Sou! in his leading proposition, and saving the
principles to which belied referred, he saw no-
thing to kuculpate his Majesty's Ministers as, to
the present question, Or to induce him to refuse
his assent to the Address' proposed by tl.e Noble
Earl, He hoped and trusted, however, that no
practicable method would be lost sight:of, to con-
ciliate the Lluited States, without prejudice, at
the same time; to the naval rights and paraniount
interests of the country.
Lord Visarairet,numte rose merely
in consequence of ichrit had fallen from the Noble
Marquis, upon Utopia more peculiarly interesting
to one in his official situation. By what he un-
derstood from the Noble Lord', he must have
meant that such a force should he stationed on
the coast of America, as at once would over-
whelm and put down for evermore the whole
Anierican navy ; and. not only flint, but, as he
conceived him, to destioy also that species of
force which was the more likely to ernray the Ma-
trade of this country. With respect to the
particular case, it had 'been for sonic time past
the practice to keep a naval force in that quarter.
fit to hold in check that of the enemy, until a
force more adequate to the Tiurpose,s of offenslve
opeetrtions could he sent, should the conduct of
that power have rendered it necessary. The sub-
ject; however, was One of:detail; And he was pre.
pared' to shew the Noble Marquis; that at the
very breaking out of the war, such an amount of
force was Stationed in that Line:ter, as-in the opi-
nion of tispecteble persons -was amply sufficient
for the purpose be
.had stated. This the Coins
matiders on that station had direction to use for .
a vigarons proiecutioe of hottilies, should the
conduct of the enemy wai's:lt them,. and meas
sures were promptly taken adequetely to reinforce
their Siptadeons. The principle that such a force
shoald be midetained off the ports of the enemy,
as.tet preclude any danger therefrom,' but also to
provide for the security of the maritime treacle of.
the country, as in fact to render it a matter of 'ex-
treme difficulty, if not impossibility, to annoy it.
The subject, he repeated, was one purely of de-
tail, which mild not now be entered into,' and'
he
~would challenge the Noble Niartiais, or any
other Ntible Lord, to slieW thet every practicable
exertion was not promptly. made to augment and
render thoroughly efficacious our naval force on
the American station, consistently with the
jests of the service in other quarters of equal,' or
even, in some points of view, of greater import-
ance. Till a proper opportanity .should' errive, he
must be excused from going more detail ;
and which he would gladly do,' Should any Noble
Lord be disposed to take up the question in that
way.
The Marquis Wmer.sx.ey concurred with the
Noble Secretary of State, as to the great leading
points of the present question. First, est° its jes-
tiee ; Secondly, .As to the importance of the ob-
jects in Issue; Thirdly, As to the anxious wish
that his 11001 Highness should be supported in,
the, prosecution of the war with- a vigour and of.;
feetroportionete to the justice' of his cause
p
and, fourthly, That he should be adequately sup.'
ported in sortable and patriotic an enterprise. lo
all these he agreed With the Noble Earl
with a cordiality and n sincerity that fell nothing
Short of his own 'feelings tin the occasion. lie
rose not merely 'to call upon the Housesto shew
its unanimity upon this
,most inqukrtant occasion,
btit to, express his. Wish that other topics might be
excluded from 'discussion, and kept separate from
the' more important question itselt. He could not
;mild expressing his wish, that this just war were
inure adequately noulage&--.that the hostilities
Were 'prosecuted with the necessary vigour
.and
exertion, and that there wse a hope of speedily
Seeing them so prosecuted. These were points
which he knew were proper for it distinct dis'eus-
.sion, and at a period which be trusted• was nut
for distant :' with respect, however, to what had
Wien froUi the Noble Viscount at the heatPtif the
Admiralty, as to the amount or„rathef the prin-
ciple
.of the force stationed near the Coasts of
America, he had to 'observe, that in his mind no
wise or :prudent man, or even one of common
sense, A.yould not naturally have expected, view-
ing the relative eircuinstances in Which'the'coun-
trieS,hadlongbeen placed, that such a result as that
whichoceurred was likely tOtake.place, and' have
taken steps acciirdingly,The countries were ion-state
of pending hostility, and upon that principle such
a force should have been kept in the vicinity, as
- immediately, on the declaration of War, to afford
thC. nicAns of 'following up that measure of the
enemy. With the necessary vigour arid' effect -on' the
part'of this country ; but by what fell from the
Noble Viscount, it did not oppeur to hint that a
sufficient pace had been kept in that quarter for
to. obviiiiisly necessary an object.
The extrente 104t1tof the discusqlon Oil trail importittt
sei►►lye in the cthtft':ii.ottse of Portiaownt, eonfintot as to
a Atria' arid getimi sketch of the rem wining part of the
Dehite].
r
The 441 of I.4teritoot delivered hissentinientis
at seam length, and displayed his-accustomed nth.=
lity end' eloqueiree. Minch of that had trim-
Spired that evening, 'he thought Matter proper for
distinct and separnte -tlisenssion In hivviest of
the subject,tim Conduet of the American Obvern-
thent driviog Great Britain to state of defeat

EPRICr, SICPENCR-HALrPENNa'''.

"sive liosiinty, was inflitenced trove by passioi
thee even by policy,----He agreed with the
Marquis (Lanscrowne) that the great paramounr:
right in question was liable to sine Ouse in V 4
eiiereise 3, but the very circanistettees which ren-
der it so liable to f;husc, render the ri.v.ht itself of
greaterimportenee to this country.---The cgitutr'y
would bent infmiud that, the war we.: one of feel-
ing and passiOn.on the part of the Government of
Ameriea, is the conduct of the Eastern ind West-
ern States, whose intereSii vi'cre oTipo'scd„ fnliY
evinced. Adverting to what was said of thy., na-
val conduct of. the war,_ though it was not luny.
regularly under discuisiciu, he thought too much
stress-was laid on the ciycumstance of the escape
of pqrticular ships ocer.sionally froth the ports of
the enemy. There was neqr acase of 9aval war-7
fare in which Welt instances did not occur. If
the naynl life of the illustrious NelsOn were
ed to, from its commencement to the great
triumph whicli crowned Iris deathleSs nu-
merous instances, nut only of single 'ships, but of
wholo squadrons end fleets of the eucniy, nun-
voidehly ercoping from their ports. Thc N'ohle
Earl then edverted,to the leading tnpic ht.disems7
siOn, the :great 'paramount. naval right,.whieh he
con.;idered not only as the foundations of the nit?
vial power, but cs'sentialitn the well-in:int; and the
national independence of Great Britain ;' liiineiw
Pies which, he trusted, wank' never be.lost sir4ht
of by a British Government ; and, in concluding,
his liordsliip dwelt on the 'great desirableness of
unanimity on the present occasion ; as:unanimity,
in the present instance, would not only have the
most salutary etfeet in this country, but even hi
Amerieti,

The Alaftpiis WELLESLEY and. Lard Viscount
Miavitug respeetiVely spoke in ekplanation.
The Marquis Of LA' spoke shortly hi.
explanatiOn; todadveiTai sornevoihti, in which
he considered the naval conduct of the war as ma-
terially' defective.
Lord Hti.LLANTti, tho Ugh he agreed. •With. -the_
Noble Earl at the head of, the Treasury, that tint
war seemed more the offspring of passion than of
policy, yet Ihere.were. points' in the conduct of
the
..British Government in the transactions with
the United States, of which he could not approve.
With respeCt to the- proposed _Address, a part of
its wording Was such. as would preclude 'hilt) fr'oui
sanetianing,it with his. vote. He did not affect
to state the precise words ; but the part he al-
luded to was that whieh weft to express the en,
tire acquiescence of the House in the k-esistmett
ntadc to pretensions on the part of .iktnerica which
cotild not be acceded to withatit the surrender o
some of -the most important, arid ancient rights
this country,. To this, in .his vitae of the cas,
he could not 'Obscribe but that a system ot:
euticiljation in. every, reApeet towards Ainerie.t,
was the mast wilt, and politie-tor tlii coUntry to
adopt,
The Earl of liminowxy .urgued ahiv in,suppart
at the Address, and ezpref,sed his_ apprehension',
that should the Ll:tilted Stiites persist in making
the distinction as to the paints in dispute, between
the natives and maturaii•zed subjects of the-IhI4CA
States, the war must lie interminable. The great
right in qnestion, which involved the vital inte-
rests of the country, should, he thought, be eon,
tended lor, white the power to Contend remained
in the country.
Lord fIoLLA.N.a, iri e.gplanation, he did
not see that strong proof Of at utaitiv (tailis on flie
part of the American. Government, which sonic
Noble Lords seemed to think'. If such were the
case, that 'Government must have altered great
from what it wag at the periOd when he. had Ilia
'honour negociating.With its Ministers.

Lord Eatsx..iNg expressed his. sentiments nearly-
t o the same effect as his Noble Viiend who spoke last,
The Lotto CHAritliq.LAilt WAS of opinion ,that lri
Majesty'A IVlinisters had. rather' to apologise for
submitting to very long, on. the part 'of ..Great
Britain, to the provocations they tectived front
the United States. Re sincerely thought they
would find jit. very bark tojustify themselvej, is
they abstained so loug. in 'the cas4 of any other'
Power: ire felt assured", they would all recur. to
the firSt opportunity of re-entering, with honour,
intek, the relations ot peace and Lonity WM) the
United Stem; of Aplerica. It was.. the interest of,
both counttico, that these relations ihould never
be brokenl :,reel their interest to .return to theta
as soon a.; po,;sihic. But he must protest agaiwit
an!, dOctrine which militated again 'A the assertuni
and exercise off rii;ht, without which this' country
could not even es..io, th:it cniling; upon the
personal service of itA subirets, under their ane
glance,' from the service of forciti St.„ltes,„aini to
'afford their utmost assistance to the cOuntry
,against those States with wiwin iverl/4.: at W. 11".
This was a principle and object in which the vit?'.l
interests of this county Were inV.Ol,,,ty! ad it Ica';
incontrovertible, that. States had a to retain
the allegiance of their natural born ,inbietts ; awl
he could not help saying; that inde!-; America al-
tered its conduct with respect to that. snbyct,i- he
did not see how the defect could be supplied ;
the continuance-of such a practice wore sufrered,
it would reduce ounavy to that stare to Which,;
it it ever should arrive, the country 'tvo.dd 11.31,0
every thing to fear,.•.
The question waii'again put; and the Add!'e,.4s
agreed io With not more titan one_ or two (h en.
tient voices. It was 'ordered to•-he preSet*d.
the- Prince Regent ip,.the resold way.