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,sented him as a foot-boy; yet was this a just state-
ment ? be receive wages ? No. Did he wear a
livery? No. But then a coachman hadbeen brotfght
forward, who bad-stated that he had gone behind the
carriage; this w,!s very satisfadory ; but just hetnie
the coachman lett the House, an ingenious friend bad

have thought himitntilled. He then spok.e of the
Taiious-Addre4s'es which had been proposed ; be bad
some. ohjeetions to them all, beettuse they mixed and
conionnded *hat ought not to be, mixed and-con-
founded. ..The kopoied. Addreis of the. Hon. Gen-
tletnati oppoiite (Mr. Wordiej had something.manly

'was rendered :rripra&icable in every otiler;'- Hearclt '
greatly sorprised at the nu of argument adop.,l
by. two Hon. and Learned Genikne”, ill he cow,
of this debate He could not im iglu° they, h.l
aeted with ih perteet candour which he would in-
deed expea from theme. The' Honours Gently

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inquired how often he hattgone behind her !carriage, . in it: 'the relitilence manifested to wound' the feel- man then took a brief review of the evidence, :tad
when it came out only once; and trout his evidence•
tugs of his Majestydid honour to him. The sort concluded by declaring, that he considered there wet •
it that this youth, ins giddy fit, had , of cempromise which - hal bt.tm suggested he could :subs.tantial proof of the critninality ef his Royal-
• appeared merely.,.. e • . ,
once gone behind Mrs. Clarke's carriage. Samuel 7 by .no- means approve of, as. in eft al it did . but Hrgitness.
Carter had`bree represented as having lived a
,year set forth thitsthe King might dismiss the Duke if be Tile SOLICITOR •GENERAL offered'a few met ka
with Mrs. Clarke in Cloucesterlplace. She did not pleased. After sitting so long on a mountain, .
was upon the speech of the ,Hon. Gentleman who had .
'there
go e
h to-reside till March -I 8, 1 seta, and Samuel this the mouse .which was, at I segth to be brought . just sat 'down.
Carter got a commission on the 9,lst. If, then,' he forward ? After sitting so many days add nights, Mr. Rosa said, he would notengage the.ettene
did serve Mrs. Clerke in a menial capacity in Glou- was this magnificent and magnanimous resolution to non of the House more than two or three minute,.
ce.ttereplace, it must have been titter: be inflained his , be the result of their proceedings ? Many persons in He meant not to go over evidence already co ably
commission. Mrs. Clarke could not recollect dates; t that House agreed on essenti4 points, but differed in 'discussed, but brit-fly to observe 'en what fell from
site could not state at what period her conneaion minute particulars. It thteetesetsho were not nearly the Hon Gentleman (Mr. Martin) teith regard to
with the Commander in Chief commenced. The of opinion coatd not llitittl'lki)EC course, God knew I the case of- Lord Somers. The Hon. Gentleman
Crisis at Which she became acquainted with so in- a what come the House must pdrsue. front the nature could-not be more partial thin he Was to the period
considerable a personage as the. Duke
of Yerk was lof the mean Address rnieht be couched in very dif- in which it took place, namely, the reign of King
not worth noting; she could not recollect at what : hermit ternis , it might be an address of congratula-1 William; but then it was a precedent fottntled on
perio • d she-went to reside in Gloucester-place, nor at ' tione or of condolence or of both ; they might ex- another in the time of Charles the Second, to which
what time she removed thence to Park-lane. The . press sorrow fosethe connection-which had existed period he was not extremely alt :Ord. He did not
Hon. Member then spoke of Miss Taylor's evtdsnce ; between his Royal' Highness' and' Mrs. Clarke, Got. conceive that the Hon. Gentleman was exactly core
he thotight it improbable that she should remember a they rejoiced 10 tied he is not guilty of corruption. red as to the historical fact. .I lVite-House of Lori s
fugitive conyersatiottlike that Which she had given in ' But lie was for one which should do neither.. He was had addressed' his Majesty for the removal of those
and her evidence.. Mts. Clarke was enable to remember • for corning to as many reeolutioes as they pleased, persons accused, and contrary to the usage law
when Capt. Sutton died J. it was not known that the . and thus gaining the sense of the kiOwie. They had h of the land, they were removed without a• previous .
appointment of Caller had been procured, aod that :t best reselve first in which road. they 'would go, trial. No vote of censure was teeeed withotrt exa-
the Duke of York had' received Captain Sutton's ; and then, determine in what carriage they would be misettion of evidence upon. oath. Ou Dowler's ape
thanks for it ere he paid the debt of native, but that conveyed ;• but not proposing to go to Greenwich by pointment, he observed, that many such had taken
,
Was the ha. Mrs. Clerke no .1, appears to eindea-.; water, put yourselves into a post-chaise. It eves not
place, without any applicetiotsettiode to the Coin.
your to injure this young mart with the utmost ma- i one alone had said the case was involvedie ceesidete naissary-Geneaal. i .. , . •
ee, in trying to degrade him from the renk of a. i able difficulty ; he. bad t hought of the propriety of the • . Mr. MANNER: Susreom observed, though lt may.
Gentleman, by representing
him as having been her Speakeb proposing what line of conduct they ought be right, and .it. Was impossible it should be other-
anfootooe. He is now in a unwholesome climate, ~ to pursue. The •• I\h'oble Lord (Lord • bolkstone) wish, that the 'wept!: of /Aglow! should hold an opi.
met ttoriou • ' • sly serving his _country ; and should the I might take the sense of the -House, ' but his nion on this subjea, yet it-would. be wrong to pen
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misrepreeentations of Mrs. Clarke extend to where i time was not yet come, he must wait for their ru,i imputations of the Royal Peteionage s item to go
he now is, they tney prove to him a source of un- - verdict. . He' did not approve of taking any step .lorth in the manner which it would. in the proposed
speakable mortification. ''H did. ' towards pimisbment tilt it . had been determined Address. If the imputation wete incorred, lie.would
e
- aye or no whether the Dukewas or was nor guilty, entertain but a poor opinion of trio people who would
Owe reran ootig*lonii , '
And iie, it s,:eins. thought 1s It was the first ihstance' he had es er heard of a indulge such • a feeling es was ManiteSt upon such
• To publish; it to art the Nittion ; ..
1 judge..itiaking up his mind 'to inflict the same pu- i 'grounds.. In sueletim'es as these, they should ad- es
Sore he atto she are mote than quit."
known l, teshreent, whether me Jury brought in a verdia of ' a people jealous at the honour of their Princes, and ..
Had the Hon. Gentleman, (Mr. Wardle)
tinnier, or manslaughter. They ought not to say, ! not send forth, stigmatized; the •Illuorious'Personage
W ',MAO' t leir utiimat,_ pinto i
that the Duke, had `received the thanks of Cipsein ....h,.. 1 . , ,
,n might bc, the pu- ' in question, without absolute proofs I big guilt.--si
,o
Sutton for Carter's Comtnissiort), he urobabiee
= • ( mehnient was del, rmintet on. If they'deterinined i ' From the evideeeic ielliele tied appeared, he not -
t'''''''ejert'ld the Commander ; hie Chief its only
wouhl not have brought the case ot this deserving ,
, oti an Address, he proposed that they' should first •
young nut) forwaid. He woud next speak of the
COMO II) snme resolutions ; the first rnielo ' ;, r e'''•! ..e.,
co(isidered the
cases of Tony') and Speddine ; the latter was to.pay.
the' Duke of 'York'1 y •unpoee ..- .
her eool. more than this former. She therefore was e . .
,„.. guilty. ,• a might be, Is 1 House to be gree .
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was
aware
of
i•?—the 2.1 - - --Oet Is ' "-- a ' -
~ 1 . but
ah.c.. RIF": ' - guilty *of,
ore debate. l-fe would, however,
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Ought
he
it
the
inltipanepdu'lacrliitayrgoestst,p,‘
.. r
deuce
of conntvances f—ac,'
, ...mg the et deuce at the pre-
an anxious to get him promoted, for in herdettets at that 1 ll° gtLuiS
.svisl.i.ed it to be Made; ir.. every isespea,
to be deorived'of the .comisrinn
vit
them army I He
i,
sent. tage or
as public as 1 teuelt "."'eon the evidence in Shaw's tame, 'which he
• time it was Tony n and Spedding, and Sprddi!ig, and
Tonyn. But .Tottyn it appears was most int:patient,
1 hle If a cri t,' i ~, _mai e,e'S to huffer, let him be t eeenstdsred as a,. downright tissue of filsehoodee-
ima threatened to withdraw his eiodey; then somethieg .2(''sl-. • i .
,IMatout,:!a in tee Lcs: e''
day. He would nave no- I . [Here the Hon. Member went into the minutes on
was to be done to anlititthitn, and shortly alter he was .
• thiegobscure. or P" • • ' • ~,,
g,ize;ted, but front a variety of circumstances it ".23 ~ie
~„,on
~,0., ...eutgueos about it. ine eyes of i that. tart of the „evidence, and particularly dwelt
pro‘Nd that lie was g reettedsori f.dr grounds. Out ofa. , `. - "4".. . " ....e 9pon Olen), .apd he would wish the ; upon the moral imProbabiltly of Mrs. Claike's being
cotears-t- . ..e_ upon •
~
lis'i of COO natlieSenot one appeared filen Whom shahad.
received money, with the exception of Tonyn's. She . as* it they voted arribigudesly, their coastittients ;. the circumstance ror her !I :tying ser,trated from big
could do nothing for Speclding, pen et last aaviaed ' ceuld not be f;:iii„fiett
~' .
Royal Hightiess on the i tth of Mete of the Diike's
, .0
hint tai. rite. to the Duke, hoping to be able-VI:1e- Sir Li
. RANCI3 gURD,ETT rose. to explain as toNhe ,
reiluced to the in •tticient Intettal ot ,i single day to
nearig at Oetlends on the loth), atel her being thus
ceive CA 'il. Gordon. • Spedding did' write to the Duke, nature of air accusation which in the course' of-these • .. .. . . '
ate! then his RoYal Heehoess-ahev'eed' he wets aware - -proceedioes had - been
.nude against- him, and 'to
i• aexcrix:iinilnPolisNiliiissueltay'ill:46;.btut ];'-e
‘iviaestoitilo:',l:Tiit,t'arth_etislaatit
of the, corruption, ill' wrilizig on his 01PIT")riai "'sot which the Hon. Gentlenten who just„ sat down hail
variation of a'single word in the expressiens whiCh
to be noted,"—wit it t•olly, to suptetse tlie'beee a alluded. He . meant , the itisitittated offer made by f
she deposed to be those of his Royal Highness,` party in this cor•ueii in ! ' Those k';',,o entertaiit such fhilif of 4 0 001. to Mee Clarke, for the papers whichyio i! 4
,n
r,..
rer-
an opinion, must enagine, that his Yanyal Hiehne•is bbe pose:seste relative tx, the p.,,,,1int., itaitory. He taielv did,away the whale. For Ilia part, except
the Dukeol:York hasl put himself in the power of a'-I - I . • f'ro cl ti • tsuch if- Ia I b ' she were. upon oath, he would not pay Much regard
ste einti }.l -11 le ia no oeri t. been ever : • matt, and then eteie tvoneed to , provoke him. to the •made by Alio). . . '- •..' , . ito her evidence Oa conversmion represeeted.to have -
exercise Of-that po:ver, by Oiike;ittlitikhis eipeAa- Mr. ceomea Linde a few obeervations•ie repl :ta e lace four years previous to the dsliveranee of
. . , . • i her cc:eine:my. He could trot believe that General
Lions. Mrs: Clarke's supposed ability to procure the last Speaker. , ,
e k
promotions, the Le.atned f=eittlernart t heti ludicrous- Mrei-le.Melertat wan of opinion, that if the truth Cirevering ever went to Mrs. Clarke with one thou-
ly.' compared to insurance in the Lottery. l'he were to he sacrificed to the pivas;intry and witty : ""'I pounds, 43 a iskib for her to ma e influence in
shortest time th a any weer appeared to beve _ sallies of the HoO m
. Meber (Meeroker)i there would 4. " itehalf with the Ceioinander in Chief. He would
been .on her books (excepting in, the, insteace off abe little left whereon- to build free, imp:w as -soon suspect his nearest friend of beteg capable ofird, and I
• Brooke and Ach,giu, .which he 'thought he had serious discussion. The' Hon. Gentleman had suit- such conduce}. He conceived it was a teise of cruelty
of . his son's guilt. It seemed to Mtn that there wee
to carry to the father, not roofs, but suppositions,
satisfadorily explained), ' was six sni6ntlis. In a ed in fad a number of ensued positions which never
Gitzette of two, hundred names;S:There was but one had. been, acid never :cauld be recognised by that i
great trifling of words in the ditlirrenee between
greatprize, and. Spedding's name was at the bot- House. He did not conceive that a proceeding he. ' a
the amendrnept whichtout. If the Duke was guilty of the charges 'stituted before them in their Parliamentary capacity,
I knowledge and connivance, as to the facet either
preferred against him; be angle to'be punished more could with any degree of corredtness would have. In his opinion, be assimilated i
exemplarily than had yet been proposed, but': itehe to one in a criminal Court. It was .the duty, in his 'Proposed such language was far more objeaicinable
s.
was innocent, they ought-not to be afraid of saying mind, of every. Member in the House, instead nt• .: than the original Addres Ott his side there was no
so. .She had stated that hundieds' and liunclreda of sutfering himself to be tied down by conunon on i bias; it might exist with others whe took such .
applications were made to her; if this was taut:, waS Initial Procedure, to pronounce his opinion in a man- l found out corruption: where .
strong views, and.ere it
it not Strange with such unlimited power as she pus- ner beComing the grand fundionaries of the nation. I could not be found by others. Whatever the feel•
sessed, she only could be proved by evidence to If they ailed on contrary grounds, the Parliament ,
ings of the people may be now on this. question, he
have succeeded in five applications, through, the woad be converted to nearly the same purposetas a i trusted the House would come to a decision on the
Duke's determination to have proper persons ?' The Middle Sex Grand Jury. Whatever may be the na- I rights of justice alone.
Hon. and 'Learned Gentleman then adverted to ikt 'ture of the be the flume may think fit to pros I Sir FRANCIS BURDETT, in his explanation, was
Case of Elderton, to prove her inability teiffect•wilit' - flounce, and in whatever ease that sentence may be I called to order by the Speaker.
she pretended to accompliSh. He then described aeplied, it was clear that they would address his i Mr. LONG, in observations made at some length.
the!perplexity she wia in with respect to Col. Tay- M.tiesty at least on the: foundation .of precedent.— ; and with considerable acumee) controverted the eete
lor, who was recommended by Lord Mathew. It There would be one found in a eeriod subsequent to ' deuce of Dottier, whom he considered as having
wart Mrs. Clarke's polioy only to mentiou the names the Revolution, a -periodwhich may well be called ' given a fa/se Colouring to, his testimony. He de-
'of
,absent officera, tvlio could not confront a constitutional.one ; it locludid. the. case of Lord 1. nied the application being made primarily and ex-
ited said she gave the Duke a lung-list of nalnei, the ..Soraer3 and two others. He would. ask in that case , elusively by his. Royal Highness, with a view to ob. - only one of which she could remember wars nJiUr ;what MIS the coosequence of the evidence brought wining the. loan, . The Commander in Chief only'
Tucker. Why was this solitary name only retneittes s onward on that occasiott ? The Houie of Commons, seconded the application of Sir Heir Mann, wham
bored ? Because; returning lions fighting the betileass e riving considered the violation of public duty which he. (Mt. Long) considered as .princinally..intereeted of his coutitry,, he had been shipwrecked, and 'het was proved against the persons.accused, came to a for Dowler, from the
.strenuona exertions he Made
his hie in sight of .Kogland. Before the waves hid resolution of addressing' he Tbrone, by submitting in his application to him for the situation: Them
swalloWed the gallant soldier, and again gave lint) f thou. s proofs in she first instance, and praying her was, indeed, a considerable ineonsiiitency in OA
up to mince tuneral holiontS he deserved, she- dared i the di•aintssal of the accused from the service of the statement of Dowler, as white' having remonstrated"'
not to mention !gun thins; nor would she have ict. Itretown for ever'; and. Subsequently proem. 'tied to an With MI.'S. Clarke arst, and afterwards becoming, tit
bricated this falsehood, had she not first aseertainedeipeeeliment. Somethin -
g ha:.l been ,said ot the 1 party With her.• kid could net couceitre that Dow-
that the object of it Was no mire. Ibis is the wit- lisComniandar in Chief not having been heard before • k would Ifl ftof I
pay toot) . or an ot ce Q
70 . . a y:ear,
ness whose evidence has beets spoken of as going a 'the. Howie, :-but bad a denial been given. him, or in underr '
such circumstances as we plain; in the ilitli-
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great way iii extenuation-of all lierfaihngs. Inh'es I. fad had his Royal. Higlineas ever made a request to -leek of its attaiitment.---eAs. to Samuel Carter's
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opinion; lier,evidence proved her the moat deer, -.tl ; that erect ?In the test! *.l,ord Somers,: had any ' case, he next observed that -3 what otherfi called rase
of women. The case of Col. Shaw lie next tookeeto I mitigation. taken plane, lie4buld a-,k ? It was a rule cinatiote iii the mode in which Mrs. Clarke delivers'
consideration; entered fdlly into it; proved AN letter 1. of Parlizlntentary duty to eel with strict impertiohry.
.! ed her opinions of the imprairiet fI ' ' '
1 y. 0 i us appoiet-
inconsistent with her testimony, and forcibly Letinteil , He felt that be might be siiiettlar in theespousal .cif * metitt, lie would call tli,gust. The Right Hon.
ent the folly of Mrs. 'Clarke in bringing that dotal- 1 'old opiniOns eto -them, hw.vover, he would always Gentlemao strongly charaeterised- the indeendence
went
forward, which he. doubted net proceeded irdtn ! pdilinacionsly *adhere, w , tt' 0 thyv .wore, just ; and :the arid integrity of Cal, Get ' ter denied' ,' '
en on, attie posste - the greediliess of her malignitY. In uniting the two , 'priectple of them; as i.i: ckinCt!,v. ft •
i.vei, that no ,man '- bility of its being impeached:' -rt. . . l t'
, IL origina nio ant
e ,
:awful fOneeions of Judge and Jury, -they ought to : whatever his rank may bee:stestO4l have an exclusive ! proposed punishment, without defining the crime—
coneider carefully the whole of the eyes., ~., end I right to exempeott from beiog called tea tin account i the' amendment of an Han., Gentletnan set aside
when considered, the case of Col, Shettr;'
~‘7tese.--,oot I for corrupt iiroeeedit*s, above any other member of :- crime: and conoivaticee and tinaisted epan suspicion.
be uniMportant in its etfeets on their deceee teke'. ,in 1. society. - Al Right f.:;ietieGentlentati bad said much t He would say to that, if his Royal HiglineSs did not
the ' evidenCe of Mi.s. .Hoeendeie ands .---7,,ttette..S.--of the eights ;Ind privileges of the Doke of York.: make necessary official inquiries in his high employe nesses, they had been proved wholly der - tine of -: But nothing had been mentioneti by him of- the ate ! meat, the criminality was neeesaarily put upon his
• interest. 'She had ',a brieher in the. army, and , tempt made at-p'deprivation of the privileges,of that back, He rernarked, Ow the dot:Woe should tic
certainly it she could apply to the CoMlitailiter in • House.: No. enmplaint had been made against-the 1 managed distinellyand with justice, more particue
Chief,tvith propriety. in .any one 'case, .this watethe admotiition which was given to the House, hot to ; larly as it had attrafted the totem:km of the Conti.
case. But she dared not Make applieation'even.- for i aa in a criminal process against the Duke, unless it : nent. It was said, that thought his Royal Highness
hinl, as her letters to Captain,Sanden evinced. She ••-- meant to deetrdt itself by so doime, . It was not only ! had a great deal of evidences in Ilia favour, yet the
wrote; to litepeo enetenvotir ri get her brother Ica • right, but the bout:den duty ef thats House to rose- '. popular feeling Was Epinal. hitl3-1)y the latter he
of absence, and afterwards whether he cetild put- cute such affairs in. the same Manner which theit did not thitik the decistons of ills! House should oo
chase a promotion. Why did. she not apply to rise .-: forefathers had done. .It may be said why is not 2 in.-the ((fast influenced._ It should only he atioateo
Duke?' The reason is manifest ; sleeefeetVd tri do so, an impeachment brought forward in this, case as in 6:honest convitition. it was no- gre.at extension of
But though lie thought the Doke free from emiup, . Lord -,Somers!: ?.13ectiost he would say, as.lhe House ,ley_ 1t
to havb any thing to put forward in
tion, he,' could trot but admit that in ehe instaot:o of+ ' possessed a power commensurate to the inflialote of 4ustitleation of a .personage, mho, Ilnat hiisitnation .'-
ClaYering.'et 000 he thought him in a high decree - such-peeliehment, whiehit would be the ebject of • In We, was debarred twat nit ordinary interoonrse
culpable, to give aim answer toanyapplication through .the!inipeastotent to prodoce,•of course there existed 1 . with mankind. He thought. it would become the
Mrs: ciatlee,'and therefore lie could not-give bine no necessity for that form It was not customary i House to decide distindly -whether he was guilt; or
that -Whim- phaut vote to.whieh he should otherwise ; ,to have *owe* to such a forM, unless a remedy , not. &faieileclaration was required; and he teotight