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TETE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY, JULY 7, 1838

were fully before Government. Before agreeing to any vote be should
like to see the estimates, and to know whether they had been tested.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the Commit-
tee bad recommended that the plans and specifications should be laid be-
fore the Commissioners of Woods and Forests, and it teas upon the
faith of the estimates laid before them that the Government asked tier
the present grant.
Mr HUME would call the attention of the House to one item of
1,100/. for taking op haircloth, cleaning the House, and trying experi-
ments with the lights.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not hold himself
responsible for the experiments which were made from time to time with
resrect to lighting and ventilating. There was •certainly a great im-
provement in the lighting of the House, and they ought to feel much
obliged to the Hon. Member to whom they were indebted for it.
After a few words from Mr. Git-LoN, Mr. WARBURTON, and Sir C.
Buttact,t„ the_vote was agreed to.
245/. being proposed for the general repairs of the Penitentiary at Mil-
bank.

Mr HUME wished to know what success had attended its use as a
prison for soldiers.
Lord HOWICK said that the use of it in that way had been attended
with considerable success.
Mr. HUME observed that it would be well, therefore, to use it solely
for that purpose, as it had not been found useful in any other way.
On the proposii ion of 14,0001 for the prisms fur juvenile offenders in
the Isle of Wight,
Mr. HUME was of opinion that it would be well to establish some
better system with respect to juvenile Offenders.
Lord J. RUSSELL objected to the practicability of such a course as
that suggested by Mr. Hume.
After a few words from Mr. HA WES,
Mr. A. YATES said that when the encouragement of emigration of
young persons, under proper regulations, had taken place, it was found
to be attended with the most entire success. The experiment resulted
in the fulfilment of the warmest anticipations of those who supported
the system.
Mr. WALLACE thought it would be a great saving to the country
if those juvenile offenders were disposed of according to the suggestion
of the Hon. Member for Kilkenny. It would be better to expend upon
providing employment sr the means of future sustenance for them pout
of those sums which in most cases were afterwards expended upon pro.
secuting them, and carrying their sentences into effect.
After some further conversation, the vote was agreed to.
8,0001. were voted for building a Custorn.house in Aberdeen.
3,0001 were voted for building a Custom.house in Dundee.
Upon the estimate of 72,0001. for the expenses of officers, and salaries
of retired officers, of the Houses of Lords and Commons, being put,
Mr. HUME objected to the general form in which so large an estimate
was put.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, with reference to
the observation of the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, there existed no ob-
jection to the strictest inquiry into the accounts ; but a considerable dif-
ficulty existed in this case, so far as detailed items were concerned.
Mr. HUME should vote that 32,000/. of the estimates, which were
not sufficiently in detail, should be postponed for a fortnight; and he was
detennined to take the sense of the House upon a matter of so much
public interest.
Lord G. SOMERSET asked if the sum of 1,000/. for preparing bre.
slates of private Bills was to be continued in future, or was it merely for
this year ?
Mr. P. THOMSON said it was merely for this sear. He should re-
mark that the preparation of those breviates had been attended with
much care, and that they required a gentleman of superior legal at.
tainments.
Mr. CRESWELL had great pleasure in bearing testimony to the
legal abilities and high character of the gentleman who had been
employed to prepare the breviates. He could not desire to see the
duty performed in a more efficient manner, nor could any gentleman
of greater private and public integrity be employed to fulfil that duty.
The SPEAKER felt called upon to state the circumstances connec-
ted with the engagement of a professional gentleman to prepare those
breviates. The House was aware that it was a duty which required,
in order to its effectual performance, that a person of high legal know-
ledge and sound judgment should be engaged ; and it was required that
the breviates should be prepared at a period of the year when a gentle-
man of the legal profession would be otherwise most actively employed.
In addition to this, when he considered that they required those profes-
sional services for a period of only a few months, and that there was no
certainty of their being again required, he felt great difficulty in ob.
taining a gentleman qualified as it was necessary the person em-
ployed should be. He was not acquainted personally with Mr. Booth,
the gentleman whose services had been engaged, but he had consulted
a person better qualified to form a judgment, and he believed
the duties could not be discharged in a more satisfactory or perfect man.
ner.—(Hear, hear, hear.) It was a most important duty, requiring
not only a gentleman of high legal acquirement and professional cha.
racter, but also of a firm and upright personal character. One who
would not be likely to be swayed or influenced in the slightest degree,
and he believed that was obtained in Mr. Booth.—(Hear, hear.) When
those circumstances were taken into consideration, he did not feel that
the sum of 1,0001. was too much for the very important services which
had been rendered.
Mr. WALLACE thought they had been of vast service, and might
with benefit be applied to all Bills. It would be a great service if the
Right Hon. President of the Board of Trade afforded them that advan-
tage in his commercial bills.—(Laughter.)
Mr. S. O'BRIEN objected to the insufficient sum proposed in the
estimate for the Chaplain of the House.
Mr. ESTCOURT concurred in the view taken of the sum allowed
for the Chaplain. It was entirely too small to enable the Reverend
Gentleman to meet those expenses which not only in his station, but his
daily attendance at the House, entailed upon him.
Mr. HUME would press his motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER repeated his objections
to the motion of the Hon. Member for Kilkenny upon the same grounds
which lie had stated a few minutes before.
Mr. WARBURTON thought that the prayers said before the House
might be very well dispensed with as part of their daily functions.—
(Cries of " Hear, hear.")
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER should be very sorry
if the tribute of homage the prayers implied to the Creator was ever
dispensed with by that House.---(Hear.)
Sir R. INGLIS was sure that the Hon. Member would find very
few in the House to agree with him in his opinion on that subject.
After a few words from Mr. Hume, Mr. Goulburn, and Mr.
O'Connell—
Mr. WALLACE on any proposal for augmenting the salary of the
Chaplain, should propose that the Chaplain receive no salary at all.
Mr. SEIEIL said that the salary of the Chaplain was low compared
with that of the doorkeepers. Surely the House ought to place its
Chaplain on the footing of a gentleman in regard to salary.
Major Handley, Mr. Aglionby, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and
Mr. Baines, severally addressed the Committee on the subject.
The vote was then agreed to, as were also the following :-
48,600/. to defray the charges of salaries, expenses, and contingencies
of her Majesty's Treasury.
19,307/. to defray the salaries and contingencies of the office of Secre-
tary of State for the Home Department.
63,0921. to defray the expenses of salaries and contingencies of the
office of Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs.
16,755/. to defray the expenses of salaries and contingencies for the
office of Secretary of the Colonies.
25,330/. for expenses of the Privy Council.
36,0004 for the office of Paymaster of the Forces.
14,4041. for the office of Comptroller-General of the Exchequer.
2,0061 for certain Professors in the Universities of Oxford and Cam.
bridge.

12,3001. for Commissioners and Clerks of the Court of Insolvent
Debtors.

6,0001. for the General Penitentiary at Milbank.
4,213/. for the Stationary Office.
In reply to an observation of Colonel SIBTHORP,
Lord J. RUSSELL seid that when the Record Commission should
have expired, he would not advise her Majesty to ',new it.
5,1001 was then granted to the Commis►ioners for digesting the Sta-
tute and Common Law.

4,0001. was propos•d for the expenses of the Commission for affording
Church Accommodation in Scotland.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the real expense of the work done by the
Commissioners was 1,0001, the other 3,0001. was for printing done its
Edinburgh, which, if done in London, would not have appeared its this
charge, but separately, with the ordinary printer's bill.
Colonel S 11; 111011 P characterized the Bill as anothcx of the commer.
cial jobs of an economical Government, which was costing the country
so much. The details of the expenses were disgraceful to the nation.
Mr. FIUME said that the printer's work, paid 3,000/. for in Edits._
burgh, could be done for 1,000/. here.
The vote was agreed to.
4,000/. was voted for the Commission to investigate the ease of the
hand-loom weavers.

Mr. 11110THEICFON hoped that the conclusion arrived at by the
Commissioners would be satisfactory to that suffering class, and that
they would thereby be convinced that nothing of what they expected or
petitioned for could consistently be done Cro them —(Laughter.)
2,500/., salaries and expenses of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners i❑
England and Wales were agreed to.
Sir G. SINCLAIR objected to the public money being voted away
aRe midnight, when it had been resolved to meet for that purpose at noon.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he would not press
any other items than that which the Chairman held in his hand.
54,2704 was then proposed for the expenses of the Poor-law Commis-
sion in England and Wales.

Colonel SIIITHORP said that this expenditure was truly disgraceful.
They had only accounts furnished on this subject up to the llth June,
18:36, when they paid 80,0001. Now they were asked to pay 54,270/.,
whi:e the: ccoulits were two years in arrear. This was going on with a
vengeance.—(Laughter )
A ME31111:12 inquired if there was any probability of expenses being
lessened next year ?

Lord JOHN RUSSELL could not give any hopes of the kind. On
the contrary, the expenses tor the regulation of the poor in the three
kingdoms might, on account of the oaenbion of the law to Ireland, be
expected to he increased.

The vote was then agreed to, and the House resumed.
In answer to a Member's question,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL stated that on the sitting of the House at
twelve o'clock this day, he intended to proceed with the Scotch niSOll,l
Bill—then, if time permitted, with the English Prisons Bill. On Mon-
day he intoided to take the miscellaneous esthna,es. On Tuesday he
proposed to take the Irish Tithe Bill, at the sitting of the House, as
the first Order of the Day, and terminate the discussion thereon at
four o'clock.

On the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, the Bill brought for-
ward by Mr. Baines for the Appropriation of First Fruits and Tenths
for increasing the income of the poorer Clergy—was postponed for
three months.
The other Orders of the Day were then gone through, and the House
adjourned at a Quarter-past One o'Clock.

The hotel of the lute Prince Talleyrand, rue St.
Florentin, Paris, has been sold by auction for 1,181,000 f. Prince Tal.
leyrand, by his will, has left 50,000 f. to the establishment, founded by
him at Valengay, for the Sceurs de la Croix, whose duty it is to attend
the indigent sick at their own houses.
Yesterday afternoon an area-sneak, watching an
opportunity, stole down the area.steps of Mr. Bacon's ho No. 36,
Connaught.street, Edgeware road, and getting into the pailly during
the absence of the butler, contrived to purloin plate, consisting of
spoons, forks, and other articles, worth nearly 501., with which the
thief got clear off The plate is marked with the crest of a boar.
Bradshaw and Bagstcr, two active constables of the D division, have
been constantly on the look.out for the depredator, but hitherto with.
out success.

A two-year-old cow, belonging to Mr. Dawson, of
Kilmadock, produced twin-calves at tho end of June la,t year; and the
same cow had twins on Thursday last, all of which were perfect in their
formation, and in a thriving state.—Scots Times.

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