The Sun.
London, England, 1809-04-28 00:00:00

RIOT AT MANCHtSTER.

THEI KING V. JOHNSON.
Defendant wa3 convicted at the last Assizes
for Lancaster of a conspiracy and riot at Manchester,
to obtain a rise of wages, and was brought up to re-
ceive judgment; but in consequence of his former
good charader and subsequent contrition for his of-
fence, he was suffered to go at large, oil entering
into his own recognizance to appear when callql
tipon.

Lord ELLENinoaouou went into the City at two
o'clock, and heard several Common Jury causes.

Yesterday, in the Court of Chancery, an gppli-
cation was made for permission to peruse the 111311U-
scripts and papers in the possession of the Direaurs
and Trustees of Harrow School, to the end that the
nature cd the endowment of that seminary may be
Inore clearly understood than it seems to be at pre•
Scut.--The application was granted.

There is some differenee, it seems, between the
Commissioners who are to settle the claims upon the
property. of the late NADOB OF THE CARNATIC
and the Claimants. By a clause in the agree-
ment for the adjustment of these claims, it it
said that the Commissioners were precluded from
all payment for • their labours, till the business
should finally terminate. It appears, however, that
they have, already had two payments, one of four
thousand pounds, and another of three, and that
in consequence of a third application, a meeting
of the Claimants was called a tew days ago, when
they protested against the payments that had been
made, and strongly contended for the necessity of
adhering to the clause in question. Some of the
claims, it is said, have been standing for upwards of
thirty years, and the claimants themselves have lung
been under pecuniary embarrassments.
On last Friday evening a boy named Itkaae Edney,
whose parents reside in Holloway, near lath, was
found smothered in the snow near the Ited-post.c
bad been driving a horse and cart; and the animal
b.lng prevented from proceeding, by the great depth
of snow, it is supposed he had alighted to endeavour
to extricate him, but unable either to effect his put-
Ole, or regain his seat, perished.
The Proprietors of an entire tiew'work, entitled
/C beau. Monde, and Monthly Register, to which
the Public attention has for some time been diree-
eds are very liberal. in promises. If the execution
of their plan be at all adequate, we entertain no
doubt that the patronage of the literary and fashion-
able World will be extended to it in. a degree equal
to the curiosity which the proposals hare excited.—
An Independent and Liberal Critique upon all the
Work, of art, upon all new publicatiOns (and what
more novel) upon all new music, if executed in
the style to which we know the parties acre compe-
tent, will, we hope, give a proper, direaion to public
,taste, and enable it to discriminate between the
higher 'efforts of the mind, and the paltry produc-
tions which are published merely to sell. The Pro-
prietors have certainly undertaken a charge to which
great responsibility is attached; some look with no
common aexiety to' the appearance of the first
th.mber.

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IrObsE OP PBEhS.

TUURSDAY, APRIL 27.
Several Private Bills were brought up trorti the
Commons, and read a first time.

DEBTORS.
Lord roar* presented the Report of the Corh-
mittee to whom had been referred the Petitions
front Persons confined for Debt in the different
Prisons of the kingdom. His Lordship moved that
the Report be printed, and expressed a wish that it
might be: taken into consideration on an early day.
The Report was ordered to lie on the table and to be
printed.
Lord Reozsmtraa would not pledge himself to
adopt the provisions recommended in:the Report.
There were many of them which, in,bis opinion,
were wholly without foundation.
Lord MOIRA observed, that there was nothing ad-
vanced in the Report which was not fully borne out
by the evidence taken before the Committee. The
evil complained of certainly called for a remedy, and
he trusted some remedy would be applied.
Lord REDESDALE explained ; Out deterred enter-
ing upon the masons which formed the grounds of
his opinion until the Report was regularly before the
House. •

The Navy Compassionate List Bill went through
the Committee, and was ordered to be reported.
Mr. GlLLiss was heard on the Scotch Records
Bill, the third reading of which was postponed till
Tuesday.
PORTUGAL.

The Earl of BUCKlNgliANStilitz, the night before
last, adverted to a motion of which his Lordship had
some tittle back given notice, respecting the forma-
tion of the Regency of Portugal. He wished, for
the greater convenience of a number of Noble Lords,
to postpone that motion till Monday next. In his
opinion, the .tormAtioii of that Rnency had been,
and was still likely to be productive of very serious
consequences. He, therefore, intended to move, on
Monday next, for further documents on this subject.
In stating the object of his Lordship's motion in our
Paper of yesterday, by mistake, it was said, to refer
to Mr. Frere's Embassy, and not to the Regency of
Portugal.--.Adjoutued till to-morrow.

HODS .4 Of COMMONS.
THUAGDAY, APRIL 27.

.The t Azivoosta of SCOTtAND gave notice,
that he should to.nstarrow move for leave to bring'.
Ma Bill relating to the Local. Militia in Scotland.
A Message from the Lords announced their Lord,
ship's assent to several Private Bills.
Afr.Owcir, from the East India Company, brought
tap the Annual Accounts.—Ordered to lie on the
Table.

The Fourth Report of the Surveyor-General of
Crown Lands was brought up,..and ordered to lie oi:
ttm Table.

Mr. JOHNSON brought up Accounts of the Inci-
dental Expences of the General Post-office in Ire-
land..

Sir t..Toexorr gave,notice, that be would, on
Monday, move fir leave to bring in a Bill for the
Belief of Insolvent Debtors in England and Wales.
Mr. WIIARroN obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
prevent frauds being committed on Merehaat, and
for facilitating the restoration of property found at
sea to its owner. The Bill was then brought in,
read a first, and ordered to be printed, and read, a
second time this day sesnnight.'
Mr. Rose brought in a Bill for making the Sugar
and Coffee of the Islands of Martinique and Martga-
lante, subjected to the same duties as other Colonial
Produce, which was read a first time, and ordered
to be, printed.

Mr. FosTea brought in a Bill for improving the
quality of, beer in Ireland, which was. read a
.first,
and ordered to be read a second time on Monday
next, and to be printed.,
Mr. WARDLE gave notice, that he should, on an
early day, call tile attention of the House to the six
Reports of .the commissioners of Military Inquiry,-
which related to the department of the Accomptant!
General of the War-Office, and that he should to-
morrow move 'for such Pape►s as he thought might
be,riecessary to the inquiry.
• Mr. AEERCII6MBY, pursuant to his notice,-tose
to move that an humble Address be presented to his'
Majesty, humbly praying, that he would be graciouso
ly pleased to cause to be laid before that House all
the General Orders issued by the late Lieut.-General
Sir John Moore, to the army .under his critumaud,
during thepetiod he was serving in Spain, dated the
23d of Okftober, the 11th and 27th of November,
and `the 2'3d and 30th of December, in order to exte-
nuate the conduCt of that meritorious Officer, by
strewing how far that retreat, which had more thin
once been termed disgraceful, atiPeted Wit charatier.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, no one could feel more
inclined to do justice to the memory of the gallant
General, by rescuing it from untnerited Obloquy,
than he did; but at the same time he found himself
under the necessity of resisting the Hon. Gentle-
man's motion. He did not know that the papers
cook! possibly be produced, and if they could, it was
a• very delicate point. Such papers ought not be
moved for on slight grounds, as it might be, that in
some instances, their production might tend to damp,
the apirit.of the army. It was not just towards a Ge-
neral, because a Commander, situased as Sir John
Moore had been, might address his army in a tone
not precisely that he would haVe adopted, had he
imagined it would have come before- them. He
therlfore opposed the motion, because he did not
know that the papers could be produced, and whether
if they could, it would be proper to make them a
subject of Parliamentary discussion.
General TARLETON said, Military Orders • were
ever given in the. clearest and most precise terms,
that they might be understood throughout: the army.
He could not think the. Noble Lord: usified in re-
sitting the motion.
Mr. ABERCROMUY in reply said, the first objec-
tion of the Noble Lord, that it might not be possi-
ble to
,procure the paper's moved for, he thought
could be easily obviated, as he could point out a
regular mode of proceeding, which could not fail of
obtaining them. If, on sending to the Adjutant
General's Oltico; it should appear they had not yet
arrived, 'it would be easy► to send the Order of the
House for their -produetion to the Adjutatit-Ge,
netal of the Army from Spain, who, beyond all
doubt, had them 17 his, -possession. The Noble

duce them, as he Might have address the army
• 4. .
hi
g different, tune to that he would have adoetpd
had hp ever imagined they would have been
brought :before them be was certain that Sir
John Moore would never tirt.tie published as
tbieg.to his army that be would wilt suppressed, or
that he would not avow in the face of the world.
Nothing could be .more unjust to the memory of
the lamented General; than a refusal to prodOce
papera WWII would place his condua in a proper
point di view, and ,which, developing the motives
by which he was aauated,
.mighit prove that the ob-
loquy bestowed on the retreat to Corunna did not be-
long to him, but attached itself elsewhere. It it was
true that the army Was in a bad state of' dieCipline,
and that Sir John Moore had told them .Of And re-
pined them for it; in his addresses, when an appeal
was made hi the House in behalf of hint, who, now no
more, Could no longer defend himself; they ought
not to be told such an inquiry should not be perse-
vered in, as, were the papers brought forward, their
contents might tend to damp thespirits.of the army..
Ministers had never imposed such a high degree of,
responsibility ()natty one else as it sliould.appear had
been cast on Sir John Moore. He was responsible
for the march from Lisbon to Salamanca; and that
from Salamanca to Corunna. The. army which acl,
companied Sir J. Moore from Portugal was greatly
superior to that which joined him under the com-
mand of Sir David Baird. If the discipline' of his
troops were bad, the best mode of improving its dis-
cipline was by a march like that frem Lisbon to Sa-
lamanca. At all events, it was necessary to insti-
tute an inquiry, and it was his decided opinion the
papers ought to be produced.
Mr. Timm' thought, as the propriety of Sir J.
Moore's conduit appeared such that the public were
generally satisfied, the production of the Papers
moved for seemed unnecessary.
Mr. HORNER thought, that whatever obstacle from
a feeling of delicacy might arise in some cases to the
production of certain documents, none after what
had already been produced could be supposed to exist
in the present. He thought they ought to be pro-
duced, to enlighten the public on a question so im-
portant.

Lord CASTLE RAGA briefly replied, and gave it
as his opinion, that such an inquiry at the present
moment would be inviill,us and unnecessary.
A division took place, when there appeared,
• ' For their production - 37
Against it OD 130
Majority -

Mr. EDebt rote to move for certain Papers relating
to Mr. Freres& mission. After some preliminary
observationi, he stated, that Mr. Frere had written
to Sir J. Moore on the 23.1 of November, advising
him W advance with his army. In answer to this
letter of Mr. Frere s, Sir J. Moore writes, " I last.
night received a letter from the Supreme Junta. . I.
have commanded Sir David Baird to march back to'
Astorga, and have stopped the preparetioes for re-
ereating." And this it appeared had been done at
a period when there could, in fact, be no pros-
pea of the British army being ''able to exert itself
with circa. At this junaure, twO persons (Thomas
de Mode and the Duke del Casten Franca) call-
ing
themselves the Supreme. Junta, wrote a let-
ter to Sir JohaMoOre, dated the tst' of December,
in which they stated, that they werA much threatened
by the enemy, thafCastanos, with c... 5,000 men, and
another army of 10,000 were falling beck, and that
they hoped he (Sir John. Moore) would fell back,
and unite with their force. It had since appeared,
that on the very day on which that letter was wrote,
Morla had an interview with the French Command-
ers; three days after from his oentlea it should ;le-
pear he considered all resistance as useless, and on
the oils (the day on which Sir John Moore) received
the letter th© French were in quiet' possesson .of
Madrid. If it had been the wish of Moria to decey
the British Aituy into the power of the French, lie j
could not:have wished for an itistrument more likely
to forward his wishes then the letter which had been
written to Sir J. Moore by Mr. Frere. And the
subsequent condua of Merle was, such as to justify
a suspicion that that wes the fact. The situation
of Sir John Mame at that period was truly dis-
tressing he found himself at the lteadtOf a British
Army in a foreign country, placed in such a cir-
cumstance (though no :fault of his),, that he could
not ba cheered with any'reasonableprOspea of see-
cess. He khew. the extrevagent notions of Spaniih
enthusiasm that at that Wail Si) generally pervaded
this country, and was aware of the censure he must
in all probability incur it' he consulted the safety of
hie army, by quitting the country without making
any further effort in the cause. Yet happily saperior
to all these afiliaing refieetions; the gallant General
determined to braVe' the transient Obloquy that me-
haeed hint, by preserving his matt. To this resolve
we might attribute his avoiding the spare; but
thotigh the Whole of his army Were not decoy.-
ed into the power of the French, the disastrous battle
of Corunna might be ascribed to' the eireumstanees
he had spoken of. The Honourable Secretary op.
posits certainly could not mean to say, at a time
when Mr. Frere was su confident of the success of
the Spanish Ouse, when he was so confident in the
soundness of his own judgment, that he in a manner
superseded the Commanding Officer, in a case which
involved the fate of the finest body of troops 'that
had ever sailed from Engiand, that he never wrote in
explanation of his cantina ; it could not be supposed
that he bad failed to communicate to Government
his retisotis for aaing as he did, and if such an 'ex-
planation had been trenstnitted, it was highly proper
that it should be produced. The Hon. Gentleman
concluded by ',Moving, " That an humble Address
be presented to his Majesty, humbly praying that be
will be graciously pleased to cause, o be laid before
that House, a copy of a letter from the 'Supreme
Junta of Spain, referred to by• Sir John Moore in a
letter to Mr. Frere, dated Dec. 0, 1808, 'together
with any other informatien thafrnight be in posses-
i siOn of his Majesty's Ministers relating to two letters
from Mr.}Trere, dated Dec. 23, 1808, or the MO'
senger who was the bearer of thee:'

Mr. CANNIVG thought such a motion should not
have been inade.at this juncture; nor did he think
the Hon. gentleman ought to have entered into the
detail he had prefaced his motion with. He would
not trust himself with the expression:of his own feel-
ings at present on the stinjea. _Whenever a proper
period arrived fur the pr.oduction of the Papers,were
,he not called, on by his public duty, private friend-
ship would be suthcmat to induce him to bfing them

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at present rte had them not to prridUre.
For rions reasons he did not interi opt the Hon..
Gen:leman :white reOing,th document he t.c.i-
clui;ed,,lioyevr irregular such a`procedure alight ti'e
but there was another Hon. Gentletniti in his Miley`,
who, from ids former cendtiet; he shr;uld, ha%c
ex-
peetetl. have oppoSed the reading cif it,. but
who had. on that O.:easion been silent., He bid, tici
wish to withhold soy information on the subjea; it
moved for at 4 proper time. .
TtaattaY was sUrprised the Heti; Serretery
should consider his Hon. Frterifs stating the groundt
on Which he made his motion in the light of an of-
mice, but that, perhaps, ought not to be wondered
at as even he who had said, nothing. abort it, had
com&inifir his, share. The Hon. Se.Cretary was
surprised that he had not called the Hun. Gentletuan
to order While reading the letter. Was it his Pecu-
liar business to call to order whenever a letter WWI
read ? The occasion on which he Ind forrnerli
spoke to order was, when some garbled pullet ex-i
ttaas were about to be read. But when ati entire
document, consisting of merely a plain matter of tart;
was produced, he.eould not feel any obit:akin to ihe,
reading. That the Hon. Secretary bad not the papers.
moved for was an answer, but his Hon. Friend was
not to blante-for all that, and the, House Munt feel
oblicd to him for the motives. It was strange that.
the Supreme Junta*should: be allowed to write let-
ters to a Minister, the contents of which were het
known to Government, or so known, they could
not be communicated to the House.

Mr. CANNING explained, stating that the letter
was not from the Junta, who, when forced to move,
were accompanied by Mr. Frere ; .an¢ that the me,-
3eoger on his way accidentally' encountered Mr.
Frere, who then charged him with such intorma—
tion as be ,wishedrto convey to Sir John Moore. -
Lord H. PETTY ol3Served, the motion of his Hon.
Friend included any information tilt" might have oL
the letters from Mr. Frere, and wished to know if
the Hon. Secretary objeded w giving any info:Ana-,
lion with respe& to the Messenger ?
Mr. Corn tio-said, he had .stated befOre that lw
did not know the messenger.'
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, it was not in his power
to give the information required, or any p.m eat ttrtsi
correspondence. With respect to the niessenqtr
(Col. Charmilly), he .had no official situation.: tid,
(Lord Castlereagh)/had formerly distinctly told bini
he had no occasion for his services in Spilt.
Mr. WHITBREAD' thought it would have a better;
appearance if Ministers .agreed with the !mitt:ma of
his Noble Frienti, and gave the information reettired,
than; their thus anxiously concealing it could possibly,
have. In the course of the debate iwo things worthy,
of notice had come out; the one was the n:ntt.!
the messenger, the other that the Noble Lord.(Costie
reagh) was still one of his Majesty's Ministers. Tit it
circumstance would surprise the Country ty.?t a little ..
It certainly was somewhat extraordinary that a M;-
nister of the Crown in the face of a minority ot.
should retain his seat. In former. times a stualk.r
Minority would have been sufficient to.induce a Mi-
nister. to resign. The oak that braves the atOrtll,.iil ty
be up-rooted, but the bulrush that hepds bdure the,.
blast, escapes the shock.
. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, ithe iniAnuation of the • '
Hon. Gentleman would !memo effect upon his, cowl
du&. When. he formerly denied a knowledge of;
the Messenger, he did not know Colonel Chartnilif
was that Messenger."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. helievedi
the surprise the Hon. Gentleman had talked of weol.t
prove to be cenfined to himself. The liouie could
not be sorpriied at' the Noble. Lord's' seiviog his
Mijeity, as their dontiuti had expressed they were
not of opinion there would be any neCessity, for his
retiring.

General TAttr.vrow said, a great man on the othor
side of the House had:fortnerty noticed en indiyidual,
by calling him " the Child and Champion of Leo-
binism." They might now on the other side speak
of .a certain Personage as the Child and Champion 4,1
Patronage. He then adverted to the conduct of Mr.
Erere, and proceeded to speak of the charatler of Co-
lonel Charmilly, when
A Member spoke to order, as he did not think it
could be proper to enter into his character there.
General TAHLETOK appealed to the Chair.
The SPEAKER said it was a nice point. to decide on,
and left it to. the Hon. Member's own discretion,

General TARIATON felt• it to be his duty to put
thettiouse in possession of such information relative;
to,the character of that man as he might be able to
atfotd them.
• A '
On the motion of Mr. Yo‘ttp, the question was
than read.

General TARLETON said he would proceed. Some
years ago, Colonel De Chartnilly came over to Ire-
land, where, engaging in play with a Mr,. Devereux,
he lost a considerable sum, which be refused to pay.
Mr. DeVerettx' wished to challenge him, ,and
him (General Tarleton) to be his second, but'lse
fused.' Colonel De Charmilly said that he WEIS Oita
drunk, and knew nothing of the affair. A rerenelt
Count was referred to, as a sort of umpire, who told
Mr. Devereux that he (Colonel De Charmilly) as a
ruined man, and begged that he (Mr. Dever eux)
would not press hard for the money, as if rive or six
and twenty guineas were.found hr, his pocket the
next morning, he would be a richer man than when
he entered the house. He thought it his duty to
put the House in possession of these fads, as they
served to throw some light on.the character of the
man, who was to throw Sir John Moore in the
shade, and in fa& regulate the whole_ of the opqa.
Lions of the British army.. lie thought the House
'ought to be made acquainted with every part of Mr,.
Frere's conduit.
After a few words from Mr. Yoatta,

Mr: EDEN said, he thought much credulity marked
the condutt of Mr. Frere. He did not kilnwr w lmt
could call on him such expres,dotis of ipdignation.
Sir 3. Moore had been told to talN as the rule for 1)
condua, the adyice of Mr. Frere and the :;tyrertiE.
Junta, and on their advice he had tak,:n a most im-
portant step yet Government were not in posses-
sion of the tneasages which had been sent to him.
\Vas not this a fault on the part of Ministers, or on
that of some of their Officers ?

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Mr. • A N SING felt lIQ particular resent went against
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the Hon. Gentleman but it was not 1.34 to iltgv the
motion as he had'urged it. It reduced him to the
dilemma of letting the censure, bestowed upon Mr.
Prete, pass unnoticed, or enter into his defence, at
a time when it would be very inconvenient to agititte
that question.

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WtitTnatran explained ;
Lion was negatived without a division.
Mr. PoNscolitY rose to move for papers relative to
the late campaign, the production of •which, he
thougitt, could -not be inconvenient, or he would
not move for them. The Member for ,Cambridge -
had Moved for certain papers relating to the condqd
of SW H. Dalrymple, perhaps he could give sotne
in-
iorni'atictn;with to them for vrhich he was
about to move. The lion. Gentleman then moved,
" That Copit.4 a Letters to Lord Castlereagh, writ-
ten b,tween the Ist of March, and the 4th of May,
with their inclosuivs, be laid_before the House, to-
gether writ one dates the 24th of March,- t Bog."
Mr. Youcts had no bbjettion to the prOduttion of
the papers, as far as- they related. to Sir H. -Dal.'
rympie.

Cord ChswiattAGn did not Oppose them because.
lie thought they might injure the charatter of Sir
IL Dalrymple, but because he thought such papers
ought not be moved for but on public grotinds. Those
letters.beiug of a yuliticat nature, and written ante-
eedent to the rkioght therPatriots, could have nothing
to do with theritiefitiohlelating, to the late campaign.
The Noble Lord spoke to 'the merit% of Sir H. Dal-
rymple, and conducted by stating that were the pa-
pers produced,-they would only tend to embarrass the
Right Hon. Gentleman.'
Mr PalsoNIIT thought he shoUld obviate the ob-
jeetion of the Noble Lord, by adding the words,
or somuch As may be laid.without injury," end
contended that political: refOrmatiou was requisite. .
Lord -CASTLetteraan-thought it would not 'fair
to give garbled and partial statements.
• The motion was negatived. •
Lord H. Parry gave notice, that ,he would to-.
morrow (as he understood the Army Extraordinaries
were theti to be voted) move a declaratory resolution
relating to Ministers disposing of money without the
consent of Parliament during-the Session.
Mr. Hottta ea moved,. that the ,Proclamation by
Gen. Beckwith to the people of Martinique, toge-
ther with the Articles of Capitulation of Fort Bour-
bon, tie laid boom the House..
Attcr a conversation, in which rb Horner, Lord
Castleteagh, Mr. Whitbread, and Mr.-fuse 1411116-
' patedetbe potion was agreed to. •-•
" Lord H. Pirrtr gave notice of a motion which he
would make on a future day, respecting the applica-
tioO of money granted for the purpose of conveying.
Portuguese. families to the Brazils, and, some other
particular services.

NEWSPAPERS.
The- House having, on the Inotion.of Mr. Fr us-
xt.l4osz, 1-soived into a Cornsnittee, for the purpose
of revising the 37th Geo. 111.. respetting Newapa-

peru,
IVIr: • linsKiSsot4 stmcd, that at the time -thioA.6l
wav put in force, the priceot IheNewspapers was Only
44,1. e,ach, and that' the additional duty, since itupos7
ed, of ti.
.rendered it imposible for the persons con-
cerned in this trade to derive any benefit from ir, if
it were not permitted to rake the price above W. in
consequence of this a discount Was allowed iti t 797,

Of twelve per cent. which was to continue, 'pro-
vided the price of ttie Newspaper did not • excee&6d..
From the present extravagant- price of materials pc!.
cessary for a Newspaper, the Hon.,Gentle-,
oleo contended that the situation of the persons, en--
gaged in this trade • was by no means so good as in
the year 1797. There, were: two modes of :rel;ef
open he observed, which were, tither to. take 'eff
the discount altogether, and thus to leave the price
of the paper optional, or to raise the limits at width
the ,;discount should be allowee. The proposal
which -he ivould subMit to the House woold be for
leave to bring in a Bill to alter an Aet, limiting:the
.prWe of Newspapers at which discount should be
allowed. He believed, from the state of the present
duties, it would be found necessary to raise the pi ice
to God. 801, ,though the duties were double,
yet there was an allowance of 46 per cent. given on
them. He hod already apprized the House of the
great and stAious advance in the articles- of printing
and paper since that period. At that time the price
of paper enigllt• be estimated at 38s. to•4os. the thou.;
sand—at present the rate was, from 635. to 695. the
thousand.; all other articles, • and journeymens'
wages, were in the same exorbitant proportion:
The small rise Could not diminish the number of

papers which were so produelive to the public revenue
that the stamps upon Newspapers for the last year had
,produced two millions. He then proposed a Re-
solution for a Bill to amend so much of the 37th of
the
Mr. G, JOllNSTOblisaid, he was not prepared for
this suggestlim Ut hiS,Right Hon. FriencL He was
disposed to think it was proper to take off the dis-
count entirely. For hib Ott, be believed the Pio-
prietors of Newspapers were, carrying on a trade so
beneficial; that it would authorise an increase of re-
venue by that means. He arguedilhat the increas-
ed number of stamps proved there was no necessity
for further encouragement.
Mr. HUSKISs()N did not think it fair to bind down
any article of trade to a certain price. It would
be a hardship, he saH, to,take Off the discount, and
yet eontitie the price of the paper to fid. He did
not conceive that there was an increase of stamps on
the Morning Papers of the metropolis. He had
made ro this etre& of tip Commissioners.
Except the Lottery speculation, he was inclined to
believe none :was. attended with.greater risk than
that of a Newspap, r. it was • intended to hind
the proprietors by the agreement of 1797, he was
iof opinion that they should be perMitted 19 raise
their price.
,• he CHANCELLOR of the ExcuityauEtt observed,

tlat at the time the discount , was alowed the re,
.
striction was improved. His Hon. Friend (Mr.
Johnston) had allowed it would be hard, that %Olen
the trade became more extensive the traders should
be boun'd, unless tliere were greater advantages to
counterbalance the additional' price. This his Hon.
Frietid had assueed onsthe increase of Newspapers ;
bt.ti it would be found the increase only lay in the
hair. weekly and weekly Newspapers, or upon
eb'
w as Wtlct sold not at the regular price. Tiiese
were not at the original expence incurred by other
papers, as 'they • could collett materials froM those
Others carried on trade on a different prin-
cipho they wholly depended on their' advertise-
went, ; atid train the early hour at which they, were
piiii4hed, they could not possibly contribute•triLeb
the neitutiion or information of their 'readers,

particularly with regard to' debates in that ii use,
which frequently lasted till such a late hour, It
was not, he observed, a willing office in either the
Chancellor of the -Exchequer, or the Seetelary of
the Treasury, to piopose a rise in any other way than
would increase the revenue; lee would, however,
conclude by concurring• in the sentiments of his
Right Hon. Friend.
The House having resumed; the question was
put, and leave given to bring in a Bill accordingly.
Mr. Cuawatlinither postponed his motion for a
Bill to prevent the sale of seats in -Parliament, and
attaching penalties toereto.