The Sun.
London, England, 1822-10-31 00:00:00

EXTRACT.

" Ship Belinda, Down, Oct. 7, 1022.
" On the 13th.of August, at 7 a.m., the Colorados distant 10
leagues, ,was horded by his Majesty's sloop Carnation, and in-
formed of the brigs Vittoria and Industry being taken by a
piratical schooner off Saddle-hill; on the morning of the 7th.—
The Carnation had been to Campeachy, called at Havanna)►,
and was then on her way, to Jamaica with specie on board.
(biped) " J.. BARCLAY."

EXTRACT OF A LETTER FROM BRISTOL, TO-TED TILE
•Ot' OCTOBER, 1922.
" The Edward Protheroe, Atkinson master, from Jamaica
to Bristol, was spoken with, clear of the Gulph, by the Cecrops,
arrived in the Downs. She'had been run on shore and plun-
dered on the 19th of August, under Saddle-hill, near the Ha-
vannah, by a small privateer, from which she finally escaped
by another vessel heaving in sight, which the privateer gave
chase to:"
Mr. Croker presents his compliments to the Chairman of the
Committee of Lloyd's, and will be glad to see any two Gentle-
men of the Committe who,can make it convenient to call at the
Admiralty-office between one and two o'clock to-morrow.

Admiralty-ofEce,Yridlty ev.ming, Oct. 11, 1822.

Lloyd's, I.2th Oct. 1822, 'l2 o'Clock.
have: the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your
note of yesterday evening, expressing your wish to see any two
of the Members of the Committee for managing the affairs of
Lloyd's, this.day, between one and two o'clock.; and I beg to
acquaint you, that Mr. Marryatt, the Chairman, and most of
the Members, being to-day out of town, you will oblige the
Committee by appointing Monday, or any other 'limning next
week that may be comenient to you to see a deputation from
them. I am, &c. (Signed) JOIL.N BENNETT, Jun.
J. W. Croker, Esq. &c. Admiralty.

Admiralty-office,. 0ct.,12,,1822.
SIR—I am desired by Mr. Croker to say, in.reply to your
letter of this mornin.:;,,that it will be equally convenient to him
to receive the deputation from the Committee of Lloyd's on
Monday next between one and two o'clock.. I am, &c.
(Signed) LEWIS J. BIGGS.
Mr. J. Bennett, jun., Lloyd's.

Lloyd's, .14th Oct. 1322.
At a specl2l meeting of the Committee held this day, in con-
sequence of a note from Mr. Croker, Secretary of the Admi-
ralty, requesting to see two of the members this day, between
one and two o'clock,'
ReSolved—That former reluesti for the attendance of the
committee at the Admiralty have been made in the name and
by order, of the Board, ar d have been readily complied with,
from the sense the Committee entertain of public duty, and the
respect they feel to be due to the high rank and station of their
Lordships ; but that as this is the first call made upon them to
wait upon the Secretary of the Admiralty, at his individual re-
quest, and without any intimation of the object for which their
attendance is requested, they therefore decline establishing a
precedent which might be attended with material inconvenience
to themselves and their successors.
,Resolved—That a copy of the foregoing be transmitted to Mr,
Croker.

,Lloyd's, 14th Oct. 1822.
Snt,—ln transmitting to you a copy of the proceedings of
the Committee for managing the affairs of Lloyd's this morn.
ing, I beg leave to inflrm you, that the gfeat objection.to a de-
putallon attending you as requested seemed to be, that not
being apprised of the object of the interview, they could not be
properly prepared for it, and would nrobably be under the ne-
ceesity of returning, and going bad:: again with the necessary
information on the subject. I am, &c.
(Signed) JOHN BENNETT, Jun.
J. W.•Croker, Esq., &c. &c. Admiralty.
•

Admiralty-Office, 14th Oct. 1822.
SIR,—In reply to your letter of this date, and in reference to
tke resolution enclosed in it, stating the form of my note of
Friday last, requesting to see a deputation of the Committee,
to be unprecedented as not having been made ii, the name, and
by order of the Board of Admiralty, and as not intimating the
object of the proposed interview, I am to acquaint you that my
.note was intended, and appears to bein the usual form of com-
munications of this nature with the Chairman of the Commit-
tee at Lloyd's. Copies of communications so unimportant as
merely proposing an interview, have not been regularly 1
pre-
served.; but I have before me copies of four notes of my pre-1
decessor and myself, viz. of the 15th of March, 1809, 20th
Nov. 1810, 30th Jan. 1813, and 14th March, 1815, all appoint-
ing interviews with a deputation of the Committee in the same
form as my note of Friday. No doubt such notes, like all
other acts done by the Secretary of the Admiralty, were writ-
ten by the order of the Board ; but I have not found an in-
stance in which such order is especially stated in a note of this
kind; nor is there any trace or recollection in the office, that
suck a point of form was ever before started.
On the ether point adverted to namely, that " my note not
having intimated the pbject of the iirterview, the .Committee
could not, b 0 properly prepared, for it, and would probaby be'
under the necessity of returning to Obtain the necessary Infor-
mation," I must also refer to the interview of November 1810,
which took place on a note which did not specify the proposed
object ; but I beg also to add, that had any information from
Lloyd's been desired, the subject would undoubtedly have been

specified in my note of intitatift 1 but it ,ca not seem neees.
sary to do so in this instance, when I had only atommunication
to make, which the Board of Admiralty thought would be better
made verbally than in writing. I am, Sz,c.
J. W. CROKER.
Mr. J. Bennett, jun. Lloyd's.

Lloyd's, lath Ootober, 1822.
At a Meeting of the Committee this day, the proceedings of
the Special Committee on Monday were read and confirmed.—
Read a letter from the Admiralty, dated the 9th instant, in
consequence of the communication made on the 7th, of the cap-
ture of two vessels from .Jamaica.
Read a copy of a letter written to the Admiralty on the 10th
inst Tr/ reply.
Read aletter from the Admiralty, dated 14th inst. in 'conse-
quence of the resolution of the Committee that day.
The Secretarylaid before the Meeting extracts from the pro-
ceedings of the Committee relative to the notes referred to by
Mr..Croker.
A letter in answer to Mr. Croker was framed; and it was
resolved that a copy of it be transmitted by the Secretary.
The following is a copy :

Lloyd's, Oct. 16,1822.
SIR—On reading your letter•of the 14th inst. and examining
the documents to which it refers, the Committee for managing
the affairs of Lloyd's desire me to observe, that they do not ap-
pear to bear out your statement, that they appointed interviews
in the same form as your note of niday last. Mr. Pole's letter
of the 15th of March, 1809, is a continuation of a previous cor-
respondence ; and his letter of the 13th of that month com-
mences in the following words :—" 1 am commanded by the
Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty," &c. and expresses the
object of the appoiptment to be for the purpose of discussing
the contents of said letter, referring to a letter adiressed to
him on the Bth of that month. Your note of the 20th of Noy..
1810, is not among the records of the former Committee,
hut it appears from their minutes of the next meeting that their
interview was with the Board, and on the subject of captures in
the Channel. Your note of the 30th of January, 1813, did not
request the attendance of the Committee of Lloyd's. but of one
or two Gentlemen connected withthe Newfoundland trade, and
Mr. Hunt and Mr. Hart were solicited by the Committee to
attend accordingly. Your letter of the 14th of March, 1815,
requested the attendance of the Chairman of the Comniittee, to
meet the Chairmen of the several trades, for the purpose of
making arrangements with regard to convoys, which was dis-
cussed with the Board.
The Committee had no intention of starting a mere point of
form, but they see a material difference in point of fact, between
being called upon to attend the Board of Admiralty, whieth they
know by experience very rarely happens, and being requested
to attend the Secretary, who may frequently find it more con-
venient to make verbal than written communications.
You must be aware that it is highly inconvenient to the
merribers of the Committee, as men of business, to go up to the
west end of the town in the morning, and if frequently repeated,
would materially interfere with their private concerns.
They have further to observe,•that the information .they re-
ceive from the Admiralty is for the use of the subScribers at
large, to whom it is immediately communicated by a copy of
the letter sent to the Committee being
.put on a board in the
subscribers' rooms, and to this mode it cannot be otherwise
than accurately repeated ; but if they were to take upon them-
selves to report the substance of conversations, the case would
be very different, and they would expose themselves to a respon-
sibility which they are unwilling to incur. This consideration
derives greater weight from the statements in yourletter of the
9th inst., being at variance with the information which has been
received at Lloyd=s through their channels.
The Committe6.therefore request that you will be pleased to
state. to the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty their rea-
sons for wishing. that communications to them may continue to
be made in writing as heretofore, and they trust their Lordships
will see no objection to sosdoing.—l am, &c.
(Signed) JOHN BENNETT, Jun.
J. W. Croker, Esq. &c. Admiralty.

• Admiralty-Office, Oct. 19, 1822.
Si Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty have taken,
into consideration your letter of the 16th instant, and the cor-
respondence which has passed between us --Since mine of the
9th, and have commanded me to inform you, that putting alto-
gether out of consideration the very unimportant point of form
which the Committee has so unnecessarily and for the first time
started, their Lordships, ready as they always have been, and
still are, to afford every proper information within their power
to the trade of the country in general, and even to any indivi-
dual merchant, see in your letters such marked disrespect to
the Board of Admiralty, and so little confidence in their com-
munications, that they have directed me to decline any further
c rrespondence with the Committee of Subscribers to the rooms
at Lloyd's. I am, Sir, &c. (Signal) J. W. CItOKER.
Mr. John Bennett, &c., Lloyd's.
Mr. MARRYAT.T then rose, and addressed -.file Subscribers
nearly in the followingterms :
You have now heard the _correspondence 'Which you were
convened for the purpose of taking into consideration.; and
it is for you to decide how far the 'letters of your Com.
mittee justify the imputation —" that they. contain such
marked disrespect to' the Board of Admiralty, and so
little confidence in their communications, as to call upon
the Board- to decline any farther correspondence with the
Committee of the Subscribers to the rooms at Lloyd's:" As to
disrespect to the Board of Admiralty, your Committee may
safely assert, that no expression in any of theirletters carejustly
warrant such a construction; and as to the little,confidence
placed in theincommunications, that is confined specifically to
Croker's letter of the Oth inst. The question at issue there-
fore is, whether the ,statements in that letter were or were not
entitled to confidence. Mr. Croker's expressions are, that" his
Majesty's ship Carnation ha been directed by Rear-Adniiral Sir
Chas. Rowley to take up a station in that neighbourhood forthe
protection of the trade; that Capt. Walcot writes under date the
12th of August, that on that day 17 sail of the Jamaica ships
had passed safely round Cape Antonio, and that he was waiting
in that quarter to see the remaining vessels also safe." Mr.
Croker adds, that "his Majesty's ship Dotterel was also in the
neighbourhood."; The assertions of Mr. Croker respecting
the Carnation are contradicted by no leas than four different au.
thorities in the possession of your Committee. The first autho-
rity is a written statement of the brig Industry, given to the
agent for Lloyd's at St. Thomas's, on his arrival there, and
transmitted to your Committee by the agent. Captain Cook,
after giving a long detail of the capture of his vessel, and the
Vittoria, and relating the particulars of the providential de-
liverance of the officers and crews of both vessels, by the Cap-
tain of the pirate, who 'had determined to shoot them one by
one as they were brought upon deck, being himself murdered,
and the ,command devolving upon an Englishman, who was
not so lost to every feeling of humanity as his p_redecessor,pro-
ceeds to state that " Captain Hearn, of the Vittoria, and his
crew, were sent on board the Industry, where they rep-mined
till the 10th. of August, when he fell in with his Majesty's brig
Carnation, Capt. Walcot, who was good enough to take them
on board and give them a_passage to Jamaica." The second
authority is that of Capt. ,Hearn, of the Vittoria, who, in a-let-
ter dated Liverpool, October 6, writes to his owners in London
as follows :—" On the -10th of August in the morning (being
off the' Havannah) perceived a British man of war brig coming
out of the harbour, made.all sail, and at half-past six A. m. got
within hail, when it proved to be the Carnation, Capt. Walcot
He immediately sent his boat on board, when Capt. Cook and
myself went on board and related the circumstances ; he then
offered me and my crew.a passage to Jamaica:" Capt. Hearn
further state, that he offered his services, and those of his crew,
to go with him in search of the p;eate, to which lie agreed, and
that he kept in shore,_ and boarded such ships as he met with
till the'l3th, when Capt. Hearn accepted the offer made him by
the Captain of the ship Blackett, of a passage to Liverpool,'
Capt.Valcot having previously told him, as he has declared to
the Committee, that he had exceeded his time, and must pro-
ceed to Jamaica. The third authority is a letter from Captain
Barclay, of the ship Belina, dated Downs, the 7th inst.:—
"August 13th, off the Colorados, was boarded by his Majesty's
ship Carnation, who gave us information of the brig Vittoria
being taken by a piratical schooner off Saddle-hill, along, with
the brig Industry, on the morning of the 7th. The Carnation
had been to Campeachy, called at Havannah, and was on her
way to Jamaica, with specie on board." The fourth authority
is a letter from the correspondent of Lloyd's at Eristol, dated
the 9th instant, stating that the Edward Protheroe, from
Jamaica to that port, had been plpndered on the 19th of
August, off Saddle-hill (the very sf,ot where the Industry
and the Vittoria had been captured on the 7th). which proves
to demonstration the points established by the former au-
thorities, that the Carnation had not taken up a station in
that neighbourhood for the protection of the trade, and that
she was not waiting in that quarter to see the remaining
vessels safe, as asserted by Mr, Croker in his letter to your
Committee. With regard to the Dotterel, the information in
possession of your Committee is equally at variance with the
statements of Mr. Croker. In his letter to them he merely
writes, that " she was also in the neighbourhood," leaving it
to be inferred that she, like the Carnation, was there for the
protection of trade ; but in his letter of the next day, addressed
, to Mr. Alderman Daniel, of Bristol, he states this more ex-
plicitly, for he says " that their Lorciships have advices from
his Majesty's ship Carnation, which as well as his Majesty "s
'ship Dotterel, was on August 12 list in the immediate neigh-
bourhood referred to in the above statement ; and my Lords
hope, that the attention thus drawn by his Majesty's naval
Commanders to this point, together with Other measures taken
by their Lordships, will have the effect of suppressing these
piracies.". The folloWing statements will show that the Dot-
terel was not on the 12th of August last in the immediate
neighbourhood referred to, and that She was employed at that
time on a very different service from the suppression of these

piracies. It appears by the Ilavannah lists of arrivals and sail-
ings transmitted by the agents to Lloyd's, that the Dotterel ar-
rived there from Jamaica on the 24th of July last, and that she
sailed from thence on the 11th of August 'The following ac-
count of her is extraced fronr the New York Gazette of the
_ _

21st of August :—" Arrived his Britannic Majesty's ship Dot-
terel, Captain Hendry, nine days from Havannah, with specie
—spoke nothing." So far was she from stepping for the pro-
tection of the trade of the suppression of these piracies, that she
actually made the passage from Havannah to New York in nine
days, which his Majesty's ship Iphigenia was sixteen days in
performing, she having sailed from the Havannah on the sth of
Sept., and arrived at New York only on the 21st.—(Hear, hear!)
These facts completely refute the assertion of Mr. Croker, that
his Majesty's ship Dotterel was on the 12th of August last in
the immediate neighbourhood referred to in the above state-
ment, and prove that, on the contrary, she was then actually
sailing away from it, with all posiible celerity.—(Loud cries of
" Hear, hear.")--It is also rather unfavourable to the hope ex- I
pressed by Mr. Croker, that the attention thus drawn by his
Majesty's naval commanders to this point (meaning of course
the commanders of the Carnation and Dotterel just mention-
ed) would have the effect of suppressing these piracies, that
the Dotterel, instead of returning to that point, should, so late
-as the 21th of September last, five weeks after the date of
her arrival at New York with specie, be lying in Halifax har-
bour, where she had arrived on the 2d of that month, just as
•quietly as if there were no British commerce to be protected, nor
any pirates to be suppressed.—(immense cheering.)—With
these proofs in the possession of your Committee, that the state-
ments in Mr. Croker's letter-of the 9th inst. were altogether fal-
lacious, it was impossible for them. to place any confidence in that
communication, and their duty forbade them to conceal from
the Admiralty the very different informations which they had
•received. The Admiralty might have been misled by incorrect
representations made to them of the manner in which his Ma-
jesty's ships .on the Jema'ca station were actually employed ;
and if that were the Last, your Committee, by laying the
facts before them, gave them an opportunity of calling the par-
ties who hadimposed upon them to account for their conduct—
Indoing this, however, your Committee studiously endeavoured
to avoid giving offence, and therefore merely stated facts with-
out making any comments, as will appear by referring to their
letter of the 10th inst., in which their LOrdships are advised
that a copy of their letter of the day preceding had been made
public for the information.of. the underwriters and others con-
cerned, and the thanks of the Committtee are returned to them
for their communication. Your Committee did expect that the
Lords of the Adiniralty could not but observe from the infor-
mation they gave them, that his Majesty's ships, -stated to be
employed in the protection of the trade from the depredations
of pirates, were in fact occpied in carrying freights of specie for
the emolument of the Captains and the Admiral on the station :
they trusted they would. more particularly remark, that the
Dotterel was destined from one foreign port to another, and
therefore in all probability carrying specie, not the returns of Bri-
tish but of foreign commerce. In the month of April last, your
Committeehad stated to the Admiralty, that protection against pi-
rates had been givsn to Ships ofall nations by the American cruisers
in the neighbourhood of Cuba ; thatone of them had taken under
her convoy a number of vessels bound from the Havannah to
Europe, and they requested that similar protection might be
given 1:y. his Majesty's ships on that station ; but the answer
they received was—" Their Lordships cannot order his Ma-
jesty's ships to grant protection to the ships of other Powers."
After this fiat denial to a request for the protection of foreign
ships and cargoes, in which British interests are concerned, (for
many of them are insured in Gnat Britain,) and to which con-
siderations of humanity alone, independent of interest, might
have inclined an acquiescence, your Committee trusted that the
'inconsistency of giving protection to foreign specie might oc-
cur to the minds of their Lordships, and that this trade, the pro-
tection of'which is now thegreat -occupation of the British ships
of war on the Jamaica station, and diverts their attention from
the protection of British commerce and the suppression of these
Piracies, might be properly regulated andsrestricted. Great mis-
representations are certainly contained in Mr. Croker's letter of
the 9th' inst., who they originate with, your Committee do not un-
s (Intake to decide.; but they may atleast observe, that after having
laid before the Board the information they:had received, which
contradicted the statements in Mr. (poker's letter, they might
have expected that the Admiralty would have explained on
what authority those -statements, were founded ; but this ob-
vious and common course of proceeding was not adopted. How-
- ever deeply theiCommittee may regret the suspension of their
(correspondence with the. Admiralty, they may With truth ob-
serve, that in time of peace the communications from the Board
are chiefly acknowledgments .of .information given to them.
OccaSionally they are appliedto,•to send out cruisers with pro-
visions anti-water for the homeward-bound trade ; but as their
Lordships must know when aeorevalenceof easterly winds ren-
ders such assistance necessary, as well as your Committee can
tell them, these applications-may be dispensed with, or if consi-
tiered necessary, -may be made through other channels. Your
'Committee may also observe, that their sources ofintelligence are
-so extensive, indeed I Might-say so universal, thatthe Admiralty
'sometimes obtain'-information from them whichthey probably
would not so promptly procure from any other quarter. Various
means however may he adopted of conveying to'his Itilajesty's
Government any intelligence coming to this house, that may
be essential to the public service. The discussion upon this
-subject will not end here ; and If my life be spared, and unless
the necessity of the measure be superseded in the meantime, I
intend when Parliament meets, sto move--in the House of Com-
mons, that copies of the letters which you have now heard
read, the -letter from Captain Walcote of-the 12th of Augtist, to
WhiCh Mr.-Croker refers, and any other letters the Admiralty
may have received respecting the Carnation and the Dotterel
being stationed on the 12th of August last, off the coast of Cuba.,
'for the protection of trade, belaul on the table. If these let-
ters are produced (and I cannot see what just objections can be
made to their production), they will show With whom the mis-
representations contained in Mr. Croker's letter of the 9th inst.
really originate. One point to which I have not adverted; and
to Which it is perhaps scarcely necessary to advert, is what Mr.
Croker, in his farewell letter, terms the very uniniportant
point of forms' of your Comniittee declining to establish a pre-
cedent of waiting upon the Secretary of the Admiralty at his
individual request, to receive verbal instead of written com-
munications. The objections to their so doing are so strongly
stated in the correspondence, that Mr. Croker himself has " put
it altogether out of consideration," and therefore it would be a
waste of time to Press it upon your attention. In conclusion,
your Committee trust you will think with them, that had they
accepted communications as true, which they knew to be erro-
neous, they would have been wanting in their duty to you, as
well as in the regard they owe to the public service ; and that
on a dispassionate review of the whole subject, you will sanc-
tion their conduct with your approbation (Great cheering.)
Mr. G. BROWN, after a few observations on the misrepre-
sentations of Mr. Croker, said, that the measures which he
should propose for the adoption of the Meeting, would be, first,
a vote of approval of the conduct of their Committee during the
late correspondence; and secondly, a vote referring the whole
, matter again to the Committee, and leaving it to theni to take
' such farther measures as they, under all the circumstances of
the case, should think necessary and expedient. The worthy
Gentleman then concluded by reading two resolutions to that
eft'ect.
Mr. It. H. 3latt.T IN seconded the resolutions.—lfe had lobk.
ed over the whole correspondence with great attention. He
read it once over when it was originally laid before the sub-
scribers ; lie had read it over a second time; on its appearance
in several of the daily papers he had lead it over a third time
that day as it had been sent from the Admiralty to a Ministerial
Morning Paper, accompanied by a load of lame sophistry, and
miserable special pleading; and, after all, he remained of his
original opinion, that the charges made by the Admiralty
against the Committee were erroneous, and that the Committee
had only performed their duty, in standing forward as they had
recently clone. •
Mr. LOWE said that there were two questions for the snb-
scribers to decide that day. The first was—had Mr. Croker a
right to be offended with the conduct of the Committee ? and the
second, was it politic for the subscribers at Lloyd's to break off
all communications with the Admiraly ? With regard to the
first, he contended that nothing had been done by the C,-enmit
tee which could reasonably give Mr. Croker offence. That gen-
tleman appeared to be ignorant of the great responsibility under
which the members of the Committee acted ; he seemed not to
be aware that it was upon the information which they made
public that numbers of persons daily made insurances, and
that it was therefore particularly incumbent upon them to
ascertain with correctness the degree of protection the Go-
vernment was likely to afford to British commerce.—
Ile argued that latterly the British Navy had not
done its duty to British Commerce ; if it had would
our countrymen have had such frequent reason to thank
the Dane, the Swede, the American, and even the Frenchman,
for safety and protection on the high seas ?—(Hear !),--The trade
of the West Indies was daily falling off of itself, and if it were
to be shackled with unnecessary expenses, occasioned by the
high rate of insurance, would decline with even greater rapidity
than it did at present. Other nations appeared anxious to ob-
tain that trade from us, and were now protecting it, not only for
themselves, but also for us—(Hear !)—There was no expense
that the nation would spare if it were properly bestowed upon
the navy; but at present the commanders of his Majesty's
'ships in the West Indies desired that station, not so much from
a -sash of being useful to their country as from a wish of being
employed as the' carriers of specie from one port to another.—
(Hear, hear!)—Humble as he was as an individual, his senti-
ments were still entitled to some weight, as lie was the represen-
tative tf a considerable class of merchants who had recently
embarked in a new trade. Two ships, which they had sent out
to South America, were not at all insured ; and the insurance
which had been paid upon others was so-heavy, as to be equal
to the amount of profit necessary to carry the trade on. After

the lit°
pointing out at some length the evils arising from than
seas,
protection afforded to British interests in the livest Inereeettes
anti stating that there was no occasion to apply to the Aunner,
if the Admiralty would not attend to their apPleienlifflie re'
Lowe concluded by expressing his entire approbation
-
solutions submitted to the meeting.
anti should
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ing proceed to the order of the day. He contended ! _me
were precedents, which distinctly proved that a deputationto_cs,
out[fthi4
gentlemen from their Committee had waited upon- forme
mons on the Secretary of the Admiralty. In corroboratio,evirsity
assertion, he read a letter from the Secretary of `rth An% „len
to the Committee, dated the 15th March 1809, in hict itio
tion was made of the Committee waiting personelle' upon hi
also another letter to the same effect, dated the 2.otn Noce a,
1810, addressed to a former Committee, consisting, es bile city
of the most honourable and independent characters in tiaio
of London. He also read a note from the Committee. woe
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liberty to refer, the communications, when they were "the
Admiralty. Now he had no doubt, that
had not thought it a derogation from their character..A oe
up to the Secretary, they would have commordes.,7 bot
the present occasion, not merely with the Seeretatil4 ell
also_ with some of the Lords. It appeared to him Teltie'
this unpleasant misunderstanding originated Emirs the had
it
ance of the Committee to wait upon Mr. Croke'''. He in c.45e
from good authority, that it was Mr. Croker's intention,_ the
the Committee had waited upon him, to have show: the
the authorities on which he had stated' the Carnation for his
Dotterel to have been stationed off the island of Cube. .„,e to
own part, he was of opinion, that it was not the Suleseriu`neglit
Lloyd's, but the Chairmen of the different traders, wep,/er thec
to communicate-with the Lords of the Admiralty winhes"'
commerce of the country stood in need of protection. yFr oe
scribers to Lloyd's in such a state of thin itfbethber'Crdo9forntoittgeee
es could e1y132 .
they
place
scriberslea ueled showeoenhuol
test themselves by increasing the rate of their insurerle`;'tbe.if
if their charges continued high for any length of tie`
'trot
might depend upon it that the chairmen of the di Ise
applyhoped edb e t
much
that
er something mebl
that this misunderstanding with the Admiralty hadsole "'-
communications with it, convinced
'tghter the ar
and hissing.)—He concluded by •that the rnee
moving,
Though l3:
now proceed to the Order of the Day.
eieetthfteritno the Admiralty.. lie re tube
Mr. CARRUTHERS seconded the a.mendment. etterg,,';
tioolgdta:thth. e.le(
towantt't eotfohrragetc
,t the
s_,n ("e 01 e
would willingly vote the Committee thanks for the ees", of t'
and ability which they had recently shown in the censie of sl;
tAii:dh
ama t
schismiwrailits.h i
s Ho opinion
i betweenncoi ( confessed
the saendc:taht
subscribers, he could not consent to give them a v° -for ",
proval for their recent conduct towards the SecretetY Refer
(Loud and indignant cries of " No, no," from el' [. tease,
had already led to a schism between the Commt,,,teeh 11,,f;
Board of Admiralty.—(Laughter and hisses.) duct c .
Gentleman then proceeded to defend the con"—tooteeef
Croker at considerable length. Mr. Croker's fiesta ecru;
pressed, he said, his desire to communicate Int" -.itects;e:
tion of two Gentlemen from the Committee OR 3 St: writ ,
There was nothing uncivil in its language; it 1`: freetict:
in agreeable terms, and was of a different comp
Ind to "e'we.
note which they had received from him in IBM ntliete veil
they had subsequently paid attention. [Here the "`iy to .wt,
tlerean read the note of 18101 The Committee reply
letter by-stating, that the day fixed would not be ?_,,, pio'',,
.as many of the 'Members were out of town; hat tnq in Po;
wait on him, if convenient, on the following either tlie, el
opinion, the Committee would not have disparageeefe" cook,,e• to
selves or the subscribers, if they had gone to -"[Te. now 'oo
was their original intention.—( Hear, hear !)---It wr- siting pu
examine the reasons which they alleged thatot we eel ,
" that Gentleman. First of all, they said, there 01"3„
pthreecesdeencrettaforyr.a dHepeutathtoieunghotf
thattheir Cthoirsnmohititeeectiown:tiebnead bi.;:te:
Iso clearly proved to be fallacious, by his e'er; Ott` he
[ Dewar, that it was unnecessary, to say rom''')-•t Le the
Igarding it. They next said that they could not we' iseoe,o
that he had heard of their Committee being
Secretary, because they.did not wish to establish en ,t ttes,
nient precedent for their successors. This was die
(;:t".0), ,
_e c
late for their successors—he hoped that it would S,I iteenec,
last, Then they talked of the material trouble etwihe 11,
nience such a proceeding would occasion them. nie einleee
tion he would reply, that men who sought h000nr& i soot the
Thents ought to be prepared to take the trouble Which
sour e,),
sth•o , tee
j+
entailed upon their occupiers. If they „tely bed
occupation, and the occupation did not seek theTe theYeed,
ought not to complain of the toil and labour errne.e nexte'thr
[ voluntarily drawn upon their heads. The Collernittc- or Ae
in justification of their conduct, that they did not,,toor
nature of the commnication which Mr. Croker was r7e anse,er
to them, and therefore could not be prepared YAW IVe-heli
to it—in other words, they said that they could not,te
~ if
or,
they were equal to contend with Mr. Croker. ;1":0 con next
Gentleman of the Committee felt himself uneelluu l flan.'
ht not an ,
,i,e,
sation with a Secretary of the Admiralty, he cmg
_, that ' Wee
to continue a Member of it. Then it was sal"' ' oaf th°
visits to the west end of the town would tike thellt et t° es
their business." He must beg leave, with all reiseeof Soto,
Committee, to tell theM that he considered al`
ere, of
nature as they were then discussing, W be lerrbscrill-V
business, net merely to them, but also to the sneeiteseueol
large, and to be part of the labour which they 100 `' Do
community to undergo. These were princiPal argu and Pop/
by the Committee in justification of their conducts ee slio
had shown them all to be fallacious and erroneous, ' ~,,4
s r
certainly give his vote ibiefileekder of the day. sneekeroo,
Mr. SAMUEL SHAW observed, the two la!,t discos.i ter'
carefully kept out of view the principal
bal communication from the Secretary appointe.so betegeev ,
point in
eeeiee P.,/
namely, that the Committee had been sent for to rt? ateirel'lliet,
to
,th.reb the,Co.;iee,e
(Loud cries of Hear !)—After the variance wnt` eel 5 . !lie
Cr 0 .er o ter
mime had discovered to exist between gr.
__i 0t tne
statement and the fact, he was not at all stirprisee' eartereote'
tion to receive verbal communications frometlialtoci to the:lo'
his own part, he returned his most sincere te.a9„,nerion-
thc
mittee, and trusted that they would receive melte from
.o
port the subscribers.
Mro.f Maw/A.lr then put the amended resolution
Of
Chair. ,e berbreee Oft
determined that no future Committee shoo boob ref
Mr. FREEZE exhorted the subscribers orenrealt syh't: Pt;
ele t tete
Secretary or the Lords of the AdmiraltY.„ ..1 to the ,
such a determination would be very prejowel— Cow'
of the house. . a the , ea'
ewe eof . 0
Mr. N °Rites, if we heard him correcdfe 'the jeoer,tioee ';
niittee to open a correspondence again wiro t -wen- f
miralty, and thus try whether it would have the e body o
decline all future communication with the gres' i incP':
A, arnePu Oa
tish merchants.
th they he;essit"
.t. ex • tee c.
were carried,
irt remindedm,oaldnegthaetimveeeatningtbstirt le retrornt A ao',..
done. It would be telling them, not only lateen pos rtiO
in ..ee ,j,
wrong in laying the information which 1113' •ng the the
P
before Mr. Croker, but also would be confirm ,as of
of that Gentleman, that they had treated heat r meet'
Mr. illeanealec then put the miralty with marked disrespect.—(Hear, ee this r
ra
tie °
ing now proceed to the order of the day. „ What iS t •
te.
A voice from the middle, of the room-- dohs le
[ of the day ?" this le'l4'; e rece
Mr. MARRYAT T.—Why, that we resuMe iio t
,teera tee
for the order of the day is to take into con, of
der
correspondence.—( Loud laughter.) ether or ,e
Mr. DEWAR (indignantly.)--I- said the e
lo
• ro
day.—(Still louder laughter ) tore then jo
and not nog ,
'l' he amendment was then put, • Mee Or
were held up in its favour. „ That thii cote ,e
[ The previous resolution which was, ~. their r.O P'
I approve of the conduct ofthe Committee, eee then r •
_,,to't
I respondence with the Board of Admiralty,
d rc'l o'
carried with only three dissentient voices.,., hie seconbut $1
rtr
of roeation. reine'es
Mr. GEORGE BROWN then rf:sane lt°eneeoent—ling, epoe
0, I,
coe.
awe as eseeneree
violence,tion.
htieleant
pdroiffperoesne(ti
to
ma oidiless
had wished to petition the Earl of Ilv ,4)posea pi, 1 der rc..o
nister on this subject, whilet others he"
~,e for iiwould :0,
memorial to the King in Council. ne could do woe,o'coi
[ surer. He thought that the best thing they fund' ee
pear t° "
' refer it to the Committee, to take thing et appe
lea i
that 0
under all the circumstances of the cases might
to be proper and necessary.
Mr. Marren{ seconded the e saws h g
a, a sub
more pacific motion could be thought , ye elsee
support it. he sca ing n" SO'
5a % e., see
,
resolution, allhe shold e
Mr. HIRBERT said, that although . yo hal ..ddrf .0
t apolog, 1,0110. Ito
scriber at Lloyd's, he could not recolieet e " fbr a 'esti
them en any former occasion. His hese_ ce the co eetoireste:
he had to make. He had rateyesteeueceetarY• . st: eir. te'rit, of
and in the room:of Mr. Croker, :, habit of seeeft, as akyo
them at that moment would be the breeilyen et the e—thooLPeer,
right to Say that he was not in we felt it his "1/' he 1;000
when he called there, for when he f?_ jeehei Yr:',ll oc .0, of
the province of Jamaica, to go to ruLi.e. On nrotectiaeo
sought a conference with the first lee
about tir 'Ot ',,01i•
Lo
the West Theta trade, he had seen , that there_col crie4
Lord had inhumed him some time atrr s o
4 t°,°:-.41J0-1i Dora'
I%ielvile' were praers
thatticai hoebihecatdiociamlledto nngiving
Aandynidilieraltevyesrdt
in,,,3tion, 0
to put down privateering in th 1
late °live
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