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BEER LAWS.

Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition signed by
430 inhabitants of Chorley, praying for an alteration in the
Beer Act.

DISSENTERS' GRIEVANCES.

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Mr. WILKS presented a petition from the Dissenters
•
of Hillsborough, in the county of Northampton, on the
subject of the grievances effecting their body.
POOR LAW ACT.

Mr. HOPE presented it petition from the medical prac-
titioners of Gloucester, against the system of farming out
the poor, since the new Act came into operation.
Mr. WAKLEY hoped the Noble Lord, the Secretary
of State for the Home Department, would state whether
it was the intention of his Majesty's Government to take
any step to relax the present system.
FACTORY BILL.

Mr. FIELDEN presented a petition from Oldham,
praying for a Ten Hours' Factory Bill.
Mr. MARK PHILLIPS took that opportunity to
correct a mistake into which a Right Rev. Prelate had
fallen in another place, when he stated that 8,000 dis-
torted children had been found in the streets of
Manchester, which he attributed to the factory system.
He felt it his duty to state thus much to the House, as he
had received information from persons acquainted with the
subject, and pointing out the incorrectness of the statement
:which was calculate to do considerable mischief.—(Hear,
hear, hear.) It had also been stated that the
poors'-rates of Manchester were very high, and that this
indicated great distress ; on the contrary, the rates were
never lower than at present, and he (Mr. Phillips) only
trusted that those who took their opinions from others
would have the kindness to go to the manufacturing dis-
tricts and judge for themselves, instead of giving circulation
to such mis-statements.—(Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. FIELDEN, the petition
was laid,on the tplale. .•
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the rules and regulations
had been communicated to the Home Office, and fairly
confessed ho did not see to what points the Hon. Member
alluded.

Mr. FEILDEN said he would 'take an opportunity of
bringing the case before the House, for he thought the
matter looked very like a conspiracy, in order to enable the
mill-owners to evade the Act.

Mr. BROTHERTON and Mr. POTTER were about to
speak upon the subject, when
The SPEAKER called upon
Sir A. L. HAY, who brought up the Report of the
Holyhead Road Bill.

Mr. HAWES presented a petition, numerously signed
by barristers and clergymen, praying the House to take
steps to have a full catalogue for the British Museum
and one relative to'the hours of the Museum being open.
• Mr. C.'BULLER presented a petition from Thomas
Beaumont, complaining of the Merioneth election, and
praying to be heard by counsel against the return.
The HON. MEMBER- brought up the Report of the
Record Commission.

Mr. EWART hoped the subject would be inquired into.
Mr. WAKLEY said the expenditure had been so enor-
mous, and the result so unsatisfactory, that he really hoped
the Committee would make their Report at once.
Mr. C. BULLER trusted that Hon. Members would
not draw so unfavourable a result from the Report that had
been presented.
LONDON CEMETERIES' COMPANY.
On the motion of Mr. T. DUNCOMBE this Bill was
read a second time, and ordered to be committed to the
Surrey List.

JEWISH DISABILITIES.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL presented a petition
from the Provost and Town Council of Edinburgl, praying
for the removal of all civil disabilities affecting persons of
the Jewish persuasion. He was glad to find that the pre.

sent petitioners concurred in the prayer of a petition which
he presented a few days since from certain Jews of Edin
burgh. ,
DUBLIN AND DROGHEDA RAILWAY.
Mr. O'CONNELL moved the third reading of this
Bill.

Lord ACHESON could not allow the Bill to be read
a third time without entering his protest against it. Since
the present Bill was introduced, a new Company had been
established, for the purpose of forming a line of Railway
from Dublin to Armagh, and as this line would be one of
much greater public utility, he thought it should be pre-
ferred. He would not, however, take the sense of the
House upon it.
Bill was then read a third time and passed.
BIRMINGHAM AND DERBY JUNCTION
RAILWAY.

Sir ROBERT PEEL presented a petition from certain
shareholders of this railway, against a Bill now before Par-
liament for the remission of tolls on railways. He thought
it of great importance that a day should be named, on which
the sense of the House should be taken, because it was keeping
in great suspense parties who had money to embark in these
speculations. The present was the case °fa Bill which had al-
ready passed, and was a direct interference with vested rights.
—(Hear, hear.) He (Sir R. Peel) would feel it his duty on
principle to object to the measure—( Hear, hear)—and he
hoped the Right Hon., the Vice-President of the Board of
Trade, would state what the intentions of Government were
with respect to that Bill ?
Mr. LABOUCHERE, in the absence of his Right
Hon. Friend, could only say, that he believed it was the
intention of the Hon. Member to persevere with his Bill,
but he could not say what was the .intention of the Go-
vernment upon the subject.
Mr. HAWES understood the Bill was fixed for the
second reading that evening, and it was most important
that the opinion of Government upon the subject should be
known.
Mr. ROBINSON said his constituents took a deep
interest in the question, and without entering upon its
merits, he would merely observe, that all they wanted to
know was what the intentions of the Government were.
It was rather extraordinary that upon a question of such
importance the Government had not made up their minds ;
the consequence of which was, that a large amount of
capital was paralysed, and extensive operations, in which
the public were deeply interested, suspended.
Mr. LABOUCHERE explained—The Hon. Member
misunderstood him, if he supposed that he (Mr. L.) had
stated that the Government had not made up their minds.
He was satisfied that when the Bill was before the House
the Government would be prepared to state what course it
meant to pursue ; but he could not take upon himself to state
what that would be in the absence of his Right Hon. Friend.
Mr. HAWES wished to ask whether, as Tuesdays were
set apart for the discussion of Railway Bills, to-morrow
might not be devoted to the discussion of this Bill ? It
related to railroads, and it would be a great public conve-
nience to have the question settled.
Mr. O'CONNELL said this Bill created alarm in every
part of the empire—the more especially as being brought
forward at this period, for many Bills had already passed,
and, of course, the interest in these was vested, and the Bill
could not be made retrospective—it would, therefore, be
unjust to fix it upon those in progress. He hoped
the Hon. Member who had charge of the Bill, and who was
acting openly, fairly, and honestly, would re-consider his
plan, and with !raw' the Bill for the present.
Sir ROBERT PRICE was not prepared to support the
Bill, but he thought there was a necessity for some such
measure.
Mr. M. PHILLIPS agreed with the Hon. Baronet
(Sir R. Peel). He hoped the debate would take place as
early as possible, so that the public might know how to
employ their capital. A great deal of capital was laid out in
canals ; and, upon inquiry, it would be found that no inor-
dinate [moth had arisen from them.
IRISH CHURCH.

On the Order of the Day being moved for the bringing
up of the Report cf the Committee on the Irish Church Bill,
Mr. CLAY said that he had expected to have had an
opportunity this evening of bringing forward his motion re-
specting the Danish Claims ; as, however, he could not do
so that evening, he wished to know when ,he would be
enabled to do so ?
Lord J. RUSSELL . was understood to say that an op-
portunity would be afforded to the Hon. Member, if the
business of the House would admit of it, to bring forward
the subejet -on Friday next.
Mr. CLAY then crave notice that on•moving the first
Order of the Day on Friday next he would bring forward
the subject.
Mr. BERNAL then brought up the Report of the Com-
mittee on the Irish Church
Sir J. GRAHAM said that he perceived that some al-
terations of importance had been made in this Bill,
affecting the quantity of surplus after supplying the wants
of the Irish Church. He found. that in one instance
the minimum had , been raised from -100/. to 150/. ; and
in another instance from 200/. to 2501. There had been
also some alterations in the estimates of the income of
the beneficed Clergy, on which he wished to hear some ex-
planation from the Noble. Lord opposite, Lord Morpeth.
• Lord MORPETH stated- in reply, that he had made
the alterations to which the Right Hon. Baronet had ad-
verted. He had increased the minimum in consequence of
the objections that had been made by the other,side,. but
it would in no degree diminish the surplus.
Whatever amount of glebe land might be allotted, it would
be free of rent. The Noble Lord then moved that the
Bill be printed, and read a third time on Friday. •
Mr. GOULBURN said that a Bill had been read
a first time the other night before he -could know what
the subject of it was. He bad had no' opportunity
of knowing the nature of the Bill until it had been sent to-
him. It struck him to be as extraordinary, a Bill as was
ever laid on the table. Was it to be endured that a tithe
should' be abolished, without stating there Was to be a com-.
pensation or valuation made of what the; tithe was that was
to be abolished, merely,. because it was (lac* to give a
reason why the personal tithe should be abolished ? This
was the only Bill he had ever seen without a preamble. -
Lord JOHN RUSSELL had no doubt the Right Hon.
Gentleman took a great interest in questions of this nature,
but certainly the Right Hon. Gentleman had not spoken
while a lone. discussion took place upon the subject. The
opinion of the House upon a late occasion almost universally
was, that personal tithes
.was a very great oppiession, that
they could not be collected, and that •they ought not to
remain any longer.—(Hear, hear.) He was quite willing,
if it would be satisfactory to the Right Hon. Gentleman,
to introduce a preamble stating—" Whereas it was expe-
dient that personal tithes should be abolished, and so as"—
(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
Mr. GOULBURN thought, if the Noble Lord would
make a little inquiry, he would find that personal tithes
formed a great part of the property of the clergy.—(Hear,
hear.) He believed the tithe could be collected, if not,
there was no necessity for introducing the Bill, but he con-
sidered it was but just if the tithe was to be abolished that
some compensation' should be made. He should take an
objection to abolishing any kind of tithe absolutely.
The ATTORNE Y-GENERAL believed the only per-
sonal tithe that would he • abolished by the Bill was the
tithes on labour,—( Hear.) He believed that by law they
might be collected, but to the honour of the clergy, except
in very rare instances, such a tithe had not been insisted
upon.—(Hear, hear.) • With regard to the preamble,
there had been a series of Bills passed, had received the
Royal Assent, and had been made the law of the land
without any preamble whatever having been attached to
them.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that it was in consequence
of a motion he had made, that the House came to
the determination that personal tithes should be abo-
lished, and it was in consequence of that determination
the Noble Lord had brought in the Bill. The Right Hon.
Gentleman had asked what reason there was for abolishing
the tithe. On the evening he had brought forward the
motion, he stated only find one instance in which the tithe
had been demanded, and that was a case in Yorkshire,
where a clergyman had endeavoured to exact four shil-
lings and four pence from a day-labourer, and that
day labourer had been 'committed to prison for three months
by a brother magistrate. He was sorry the Noble Lord's
Bill did not go further, and do away with tithes on fishing,
because that was a description of tithe that ought equally
to be abolished.—(Hear, hear, hear !)
Easter offerings were originally intended in lieu of personal
tithes.

The House thee resolved itself into Committee on the
Bill ; the amendments were agreed to, when the House
resumed.

EMIGRATION.—VAN DIEMAN'S LAND.
Mr. WALTER, in pursuance of a notice, that on an
Order of the Day being read, he should submit a motion
on the subject of Emigration to Van Dieman's Land.
After some observations on the system pursued by the
Emigration Committee, which the remote position of the
Hon. Member prevented our hearing, Mr. Walter pro-
ceeded to read some extracts from a Hobart Town paper
of February last, complaining of the tender age of
the females who had been sent out, and represent-
ing the difficulty of procuring them situations. As
he would not have the benefit of a reply, he would pro-
ceed to notice some of the objections which might be urged
against them.- Some gentlemen connected with property
in that county might allude to the testimony which
had been given before them, but he (Mr. W.) would not
receive any evidence unless it were most strictly examined.
and sifted. Others might refer to the Reports of Com-
missioners and Committee ; but he would pay very little
attention to them—they were in the most part made up
for 'serving the purposes of those by whom• they were
appointed. The Irish Poor Law Report was now
very much talked of-wit was largely made up out of

tlie English Report, which was most fallacious.—(Hear,
Tie Report from the parish of Chordeley (as we under-
stood) made such an impression upon him, that he went
down last autumn, in order to inspect the place. It was
true that the parish was ate up by the rates, but what
,would the House think when he informed them that the
whole parish consisted of not more than two farms
of fifty acres each ; and forty-four acres in the
parish was waste land., He would now be very
'cautious of receiving the Reports of Commissions generally,
without examination. If the facts which he had stated
could be controverted, he hoped that such an opportunity
would be afforded ; but he thought it his duty to lay them
before the House, in the hope that they would be investi-
gated. The motion with which he would conclude was for
an humble address to his Majesty, that he would be
graciously pleased to issue orders to the effect that certain
circulars which had ceen sent to different Postmasters, and
to Clergymen of the Established Church, detailing the
advantages of emigration, might be withdrawn, and that the
Secretary of State he directed to ascertain by whose autho-
rity such circulars had been issued.
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Mr. WAKLEY seconded the motion. Sir G. Grey
had already stated that these circulars giving publicity
to the advantages of emigration to New South Wales
had been circulated without authority. He felt it his
duty to give this motion his humble opposition. He hoped
that the people of England would not take their idea of the
advantages or disadvantages of emigration from the state-
ment of the Hon. Member for Berkshire, Or from the
anonymous paragraphs, that appeared in some of the news-
papers on the subject.—( Hear, hear.) He believed
that emigration, wisely and prudently conducted, would lead
to the general advantages of emigrants from this country.
The Hon. Member in place of collecting his information
from newspaper paragraphs, ought to refer to- the papers of
that House.—(Hear.) It was not be Wondered at that out
of so many some of the females should turn out badly
The whole subject .had, however, been taken up in the
proper quarter—namely, by the Colonies themselves.
Much good had been done already, and much more would
no dodbt be accomplished. He, therefore, hoped the
statements of the Hon. Member would be received with
great caution by the House.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. CHARLES LUSHINGTON hoped the House'
would allow him to give some explanation in - reference to
the statement which had 4)een made by the Hon. Member
for Berkshire. He (Mr. Lushington) had been a member
of the Emigration Committee from its origin to the present
time, and he was competent to give every information to
the House respecting its proceedings. In order to obviate
the inconvenience of a preponderance of males, which
existed in the colony, a bounty was offered by the Govern-
ment to encourage the emigration of young females, and that
system had been found productive of great temptation
seduction and frightful excesses, and a Committee of gen-
tlemen offered their services to promote the object.
The Hon. Member here alluded to the various Members
of the Committee, the characters of all of whom were, he
would assert above suspicion. He would beg to read an
extract from the letter of a clergyman of the Church of
England (the Rev. Mr. Knight, of Torbay,) with reference
to one of the last vessels of the Committee. He stated
that he had been often on board, and testified to the respect-
ability of the females, and the good order observed by them.
The Hon. Gentleman had stated that no less than two-
thirds of the females that were imported into Sidney
had followed licentious courses. The fact was they were
contaminated by the vices of one of the most aban-
doned and dissolute colonies belonging to his Majes-
ty's dominions. And to prove this, the Hon. Gentleman.
read an extract from the charge of the Chief Justice
to the Jury at the close of the Session of 1835. Then it
had been stated that this vice and debauchery was con-
fined to the lower orders—that was not the case.
The Honourable Baronet opposite would bear him out
when he asserted that a gentleman holding a judicial
situation in the Colony of Sydney had been removed from
that situation, because he had passed himself off as an unmar-
ried man, and had endeavoured to seduce a female, who had
arrived by one of the vessels. The Hon. Gentleman con-;
eluded by stating he had no favourite view to carry into effect
his sole wish was to promote that cause which was
the cause of truth, humanity and virtue.—(Hear, hear.)
The motion was then negatived without a division.
The House then went into Committee on the County
Elections Poll Bill.

Mr. GOULBURN thought the Bill would increase the
expenses of county elections, as many more agents would
be rendered necessary Which would cost more than would
be saved in the conveyance of voters. Another objection
was, that the poll might be kept open till six o'clock.

(LEFT SPEAKING)

HOUSE OF LORDS.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
at five o'clock.

Lord KENYON presented a petition from the Parish
Clerk of Narylebone, against the Marriage Registration
Bill.

The Bishop of EXETER presented similar petitions
from the Parish Clerks of Hereford.

[During the time the Right Rev. Bishops were present-
ing their petitions, the Duke of WELLINGTON entered the
Mouse for the first time since his accident. The Noble
Duke walked extremel3 lame.[
The Marquis - of CLANRICARDE moved that
Rentiie's Brighton Railway Bill should be referred to the
CoMmittea now :sitting upon the other competing lines of
the Bdgbtoa Railway._
The Duke of RICHMOND objected to it. That
Committee had already sat four days, and if other lines
were to be referred to it, the termination of its sittings
.would'be'exterided to an indefinite period. '
After some discussion the. Bill was referred.
• 'The Maninis 'of CLANRICARDE presented several
petitions in favour of the South Durham Railway Bill.

Several other Noble Lords presented similar petitions.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE then moved the
second reading of the South Durham Railway Bill.

The Marquis of LONDON DERRYopposed the second
reading of the Bill. He did so on account of the great
detriment that it would cause -to an estate of his
on Which he had expended, within the last few years, no
less a ' sum than 80,000/. He did not believe the
Bill was at all likely to be of any public benefit ; if lie
thought it would, he would be the last man in the world to
oppose it, though its object was tb strike at his verp exist-
ence.—( Hear.) To discuss the merits of the Bill before a
Committee would be attended with great inconvenience to
him, and he therefore would move that the Bill should he
read a second time that day three months.
Lord HO WDEN supported the second reading of the
Bill.

The Marquis of CLANRICARDE trusted the House
wonld adopt his motion. He did not. now consider himself
bound, though he had moved the second reading of the
Bill, to go into its details ; but if the Noble Marquis (Lon-
donderry) felt he should be injured by it, the same course
must be adopted with respect to him that was taken with
respect to other individuals ; he must prove that injury be-
fore a Committee.

Lord WHARNCLIFFE opposed the second reading
of the Bill.

The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading, contents l9
Against it, not contents..
Majority against the Bill —32
The Archbishop cf CANTERBURY 'presented peti-
tions against the Marriage Registration Bill from the
Deanery of Essex, and other places.
Lord LYNDHURST presented a petition, from the Six
Clerks of the Court of Chancery, in Ireland, in favour of
the Bill introduced by the Lord Chancellor, to amend the
practice of the Court of Chancery. The petitioners also
prayed for compensation.
The Bishop of LLANDAFF presented petitions against
the Registration of Marriages and Births' Bill.
Lord WYNFORD presented a petition from Farn
against the Poor Law Amendment Act. . _ _ _

- The Earl of GLENGALL presented a petition from
the spirit-dealers of Dublin against the Excise License
Bill.

(LEFT SITTING.)

Emigration to Africa is in great favour in Wirtem-
berg, and even the King has expressed to the French Minister
M. do Fontenay, the satisfaction he feels on the occasion;
inasmuch as he considers Africa a better country for relieving
his kingdom of its surplus population, than the United States
or that part of North America which adjoins Mexico. Con-
sequently we shall soon see a great number of colonists ar-
riving at Toulon from Wirtembcrg for the purpose of crossing
over to Africa. A very frequent correspondence is said to be
kept up between Marshal Clause! and an enlightened Ger-
man agent, who formerly was very active in encouraging emi-
gration to the other side of the At/antic, but who now uses all
his influence in assisting those who wish to cross the Mediter-
ranean.—FrenchPaper.

A female relation of the Archbishop of Paris, says
the Journal du Commerce, and a young lady who has been
converted from the Protestant Church, received the veil
from the hands of the Archbishop on Tuesday at the Convent
of the Yisitandines, in the Rue des Postes.—Galignani's Mes-
senger.
Horse-stealing was never so prevalent as it is at
present. Last week an individual had three valuable horses
stolen from him in an adjoining county. It is supposed that
many of the animals so stolen are exported to the Continent;
at all events, some measures should ho devised to abate the
evil, and to discover the thieves, for the number of horses
stolen in the year is incredible.

On Saturday a mantuatnaker, of the rue du Fouare,
in Paris, in a fit of despair from disappointed love, attempted
to destroy herself by suffocation, but the fumes of the charcoal
she had lighted being perceived by the neighbours, alarm was
created, the Commissary of Police sent for, her apartment
entered, and the poor young woman found nearly exhausted.
She was carried to the Hotel Dieu, with little hopes of being
rostored.

SPORTIN G INTELLIGENCE.
NEWTON ABBOT RACES— TMURSDA r.
The Torquay Stakes of 5 sovs. each, 2 ft. 2D Subs.
Sir W. Carew's Vision walked over.

The Newton Stakes of 10 sovs. each, 5 ft., and only 3 if declared',
&c., with 20 added. The second horse to save his stake- T we,
miles. 9 Subs.
Mr. Wreford's Tyrant, 3 yrs Duke P.
Sir J. Bulwer's Why-not, 4 yrs
Mr. Parker's Beggar Boy, 5 yrs
The following also started, but were not placed :—Preference,
Spigot mare, Vision.
A Sweepstakes of 3 sovs. each, with 15 added, for horses not
thoroughbred. Heats, mile and a distance. Gentlemen riders.
3 Subs.
Mr. Honey's Beggar Boy, 5, yrs.... Mr. Willesford I I
31r. Wise na. Rosebud, 4 yrs 2 dr
Mr. Oliver's Grey Rover, 4 yrs 3 2
Match for 50 sovs. Two miles.—Mr. R. Wise's Coronet, aged,
(Worsley), beat Sir W. Carew's Vision,.s yrs. A beautifid race.
Won by a head.
The Ladies' Plate of 20 sovs. (handicap), added to a Sweepstakes
of 5 sovs. each. Heats, mile and a distance.
➢lr. Wreford's Tyrant, 3 yrs Duke I 1
Mr. R. Wise's Preference, 3 yrs
Mr. Nettle's ch. h. by Luzbprough, 47yrs 3 dr

AQUATICS.
ETON COLLEGIANS.—Friday evening a match between the
best six, Fellowes, Currey, max., Garnett, Shadwell, Wynd-
ham, and Croft, in the Thetis; and the next eight, Currey,
mi., Rouse, Stanley, Maunsell, Forbes, Miles, Boseowen,
and Fane, in the Britannia, was pulled on the river, over the
old distance. 6to 4 offered upon the Britannia, but little or
no betting. The Britannia showed first; shehad a lively
little crew, and pulled twice round the eyot to show her
strength ; on passing the yard a second time she, gave a nod
of defiance to the Thetis, which was immediately launched and.
manned. Fellowes and his crew appeared wanting in confi-
dence, but struck off with a strong pull, and the boat glided.
beautifully through the water. The start immediately took
place, and at the Clump the Thetis was a good boat's length
a-head of her opponent ; she had now, however, a strong
stream to contend with, and at the crossing midway, between
this and the Lower Hope, the Britannia ran slap into the
middle, and wedged her to the bank. Finding herself in
difficulties she here allowed the Britannia to move on, that
almost instantly rounded her stern, and again came up along-
side of her; the oars now got entangled, the boats fixed, and.
for some minutes a severe struggle for the mastership ensued.
The minors at last contrived, with a good deal of generalship,
to extricate themselves; but the Thetis kept close upon their
rudder to Lower Hope, where the Britannia gained a little.
At Upper Hope Fellowes deviated from his stroke, was en-
tirely out of keeping with his crew, and obliged to shift ; the
boat was also steered badly round this point. At the turn the
Britannia bad a good lead, which it kept, although closely
followed to the winning-post, terminating one of the best
matches this season.
A six-oared boat race, between the two Upper Sixes, is
fixed for Friday next. The distance to be from Windsor
Bridge, round the rushes, and back. The betting runs at
present even; but the boat led by Fellowes appears to have
the greatest call, and we think it very likely, between this
and the time of starting, a few odds may be offered.