The Sun.
London, England, 1838-04-12 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY, APRIL 12, 1838.

INDIA.

Mr. PRAED iAi3'ned toasi;que3tion relative to the al-
leged interference of the East India Company's forces, to re-
gulate the succession to the throne of the province of Oude
(as we understood).
Mr. V. SMITH said, in the absence of his Right Hon.
Friend (Sir J. Hobbouse) he could not answer the question.
IRISH POOR LAWS.

In answer to Mr. LUCAS,
Lord MORPETH said that the production of certain re-
turns, connected with the subject of Irish tithes, which had
been moved for by that Hon. Member, had been delayed in
consequence of the expense which it was said they would oc-
casion ; but inquiry would be made into the subject.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
It was then agreed that the House at its rising do adjourn
to Wednesday, the 25th inst.
Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that at the next meeting
of the House he should move that from and after the 14th of
May Orders of the Day should take precedence of notices.
He should also move for leave to brinc, in a Bill for the better
regulation of prisons, and for the custody of juvenile offenders.
The NOBLE LORD also gave notice that on the Ist May he
should move for a Select Committee on Church Leases.
The NOBLE LORD further gave notice that he should pro-
pose the third reading of the Irish Poor Law Bill on the 30th
and bring on the question of Irish Tithes on the 14th
May.
Mr. HUME said that on the second Thursday he should
bring forward the question of the Duke of Cumberland's pen-
sion, and on the following Tuesday the question of Saving
Banks.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he had fixed that day fcr
his motion en Church Leases.
Sir T. FREMANTLE, on behalf of Sir Robert Peel,
gave notice that on the 22d May the Right Hon. Baronet
would move for a Select Committee on the subject of Con-
troverted Elections.

Mr. P. THONISON gave notice that on the 22d May,
he would bring in a Bill to regulate the private business of
the House.

Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE gave notice, that shortly after the
recess, he would move for the appointment of a Select Com-
mittee to examine the Standing Orders of both Houses, with
a view to their assimilation.
SUPPLY.

On the Order of the Day being read for going into a Corn-
mittee of Supply,
Mr. HUME said, that he had observed from the statement
of Mr. Hyam, that the revenue wan 665,0001. less than the
actual expenditure, and he thought the House ought to come
to a resolution respecting pensions. If the House voted
33,0001. towards the payment of pensions, he wished to know
how that was to be provided for.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, it
would be difficult to answer the question without going into
detail. But if the question should remain unanswered, great
misconception or mistake might arise. It was impossible for
a great commercial crisis like that through which the country'
had passed to occur without showing itself on the public re-
venue. If the fact which his Hon. Friend had stated were to
create any distrust as to the resources of England, the result
would be as great as mischievous; but any one who would look
to the affairs of the last twelve months must feel gratification
and pride that the country had passed through those events with-
out more suffering and loss than had been endured in the course
of the past year. Our commercial men had to encounter cir-
cumstances of difficulty which might almost be said to be
without parallel—(llear, hear, hear)—but the resources
of the country bad enabled them to go through that
severe trial.--( Pear, hear.) But lie must say—and he
sail it the more freely because it related to another
country—that the exertions made by the commercial men
of the United States of America had been such as to reflect
the highest credit on their character as a commercial people.
--(117ar.) Although the crisis which had happily been passed
had effected the maeufacturing industry of this country, its fo-
reign commerce, and the national revenue, yet in each of these
great branches less mischief had been incurred than might rea-
senably have been expected It was true and undeniable,
that a review of the last year was anything but satisfactory, and
that the deficiency of the Revenue had been so great ; but it
was going too far to say that there was any reason for distrust
as to the capability of the country to meet all its engagements.
—( Hear, hear.) It was true that the deficiency was upwards
of two millions, but his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) knew well
that he was comparing two things in which there was
110 common measure. There had been a reduction of
tea duties, which alone amounted to between 1,200,000/•
and a million and a half. In order to state the account
,justly arid fairly, that ought to be deducted from the former
year whet ought to belong to it. There had certainly been a
off in the year, but there was nothing to discourage the
House, or to prevent them from agreeing to vote for the sum
to which his Hon. Friend alluded. He (the Chancellor of the
Exchequer) regretted that it was not competent for him
to lay before the House in the course of this evening the
whole of the accounts; but after the recess he should lay
upon the table a statement of the balance-sheet of the year
ud to the April quarter, which would show the actual
difference between the income and the expenditure. That
statement would put the House in possession of all the facts,
and would, he had no doubt, prove quite satisfactory to his
Hon. Friend. He would, however, very much urge upon
Hon. Members, if they had to put questions of this kind, not to '
put them in a manner that would lead to inferences and ex-
cite alarm out of doors, and great despondency where there
was no cause for it.
Mr. HUME did not wish to enter into the general state of
the revenue. The House had it from an authority which no
person could doubt that there was a deficiency in the revenue
of 600,0001. The House was now called upon to vote 33,0001.
for pensions. Now what he wished to know was, what means
the Chancellor of the Exchequer had of paying that sum. It
was evident that there was no money in the Treasury._
(Laughter.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the declaration of Mr. Hyam could have no reference to the
present state of the revenue, the last quarter's accounts not
having been made out. The report of Mr. Hyam referred
to the expenditure and income of bygone times. There
would be an issue of deficiency bills, for the purpose ad-
verted to by the Honourable Member. There was great
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question which he had put to him. He now understood
that it was his intention to borrow from the Bank the amount
required.
Colonel SIBTHORP said that notwithstanding the
ve
state-
ments of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he doubted
much whether the country had resources to meet everyry
en-
gagement. He thought that the House, before it adjourned,
ought to have had a more satisfactory detail of the circumstances
in which the country was placed from the Chancellor of the

Exchequer.
Sir T. FREMANTL E !wished to know whether it was
the intention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to lay on
the table after the recess a full statement with respect to the
revenue of the country.
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he had already stated that it was his intention to do so.
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purpose, when there was a deficiency in the revenue of no less
than 600,0001. He trusted that when the House met after
the recess, the Chancellor of the Exchequer would be in a
situation to free himself from
the necessity of borrow-
ing from the Bank. In his opinion it was a bad system, as it
enabled Ministers to borrow from the Bank without the know-
ledge of that House, which ought never to be the case.
Before he sat down he wished to ask another question. Within
the last month discoveries had taken place of great abuses in
the Post-office department at Glasgow. He wished to ask
whether any inquiry was to be instituted into that proceeding,
and that it might be public, because on a former occasion,
when abuses had been proved to exist, an inquiry was instituted
and kept secret. He asked whether it was the intention of
Government to institute any inquiry, as it appeared that
department required special looking after.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not
know whether any report had reached the Treasury or not
with respect to this particular transaction. He had given
directions with respect to the safe conveyance of letters, One

was the registration of letters, making the Post-office an- ,
swerable for them; and the other to insure the safe reception
of a sealed money-letter, to the party to whom it was ad-
dressed. He thanked the Hon. Gentleman for calling his
attention to the transactions at Glasgow, and would take the
necessary steps for inquiring into them.
The vote was then agreed to.
Mr. BERN AL brought up the Report of the Committee
of Ways and Means.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL brought up the Report of the
Commissioners of Religious Instruction (Scotland).
Lord JOHN RUSSELL brought up the report on the
County Courts Bill, which was read a first and second time,
and ordered to be committed on the 22d of May.
BANKRUPT ESTATES (SCOTLAND) BILL.
Mr. R. STEUART brought in this Bill, which was
read a first time.
LAND TAX COMMISSIONERS' BILL.
This Bill was read a second time.
CUSTODY OF INFANTS' BILL.
Mr. Serjeant TALFOURD moved that this Bill be com-
mitted, observing that it had been agreed that the discussion
on the principle of the Bill should take place on the third
reading.
The Bill accordingly went through Committee, a clause
being introduced by the Learned Serjeant, to obviate an ob-
jection which had been made, that the Bill altered the right
of the father to the custody of his children.
Mr. WARBURTON observed that he bad groat doubts as
to the efficiency of the Bill.
PATENT INVENTIONS BILL.
Mr. MACKINNON postponed this Bill to the 16th May.
Mr. P. THOMSON said this Bill was so complicated and
went so much further than was necessary, that he should feel
bound to oppose it unless it was greatly amended.
Mr. MACKINNON said that before the Bill was next
brought forward there would be an opportunity for entering
into some understanding with the Right Hon. Gentleman.
Sir F. TRENCH begged to suggest to those connected
with her Majesty's Government whether it would not be fit to
seize the opportunity of the approoaching Coronation and the
festivities connected with it, of serving those poor individuals
(the Spitalfields weavers) who were in deep distress, and to
whom allusion had been made that evening.—( Cries of" Oh.")
HACKNEY CARRIAGES BILL.
On the motion of Sir MATTHEW WOOD, the Hackney
Carriages Bill went through a Committee.
OATHS TO WITNESSES (IRELAND) BILL.
The House then went into Committee on the Oaths to
Witnesses (Ireland) Bill.
Colonel VERNER moved the insertion of a Clause which
he read in so low a tone that we could not guess its tenor.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER objected
to the Clause, as unnecessary.
Mr. Serjeant WO UL FE and said, that if the Clause were
inserted in this Act, a similar clause would be necessary in
every other Act relating to oaths, or it would render it doubt-
ful whether, under those Acts, perjury could be punished.
The Clause, as we understood, was then withdrawn, and
the Bill went through the Committee.
On the motion of Colonel DAVIES, the High Sheriffs'
Di ;was referred to a Select Committee.

Mr. R. STEUART brought up the Report on the Clergy
Residences Bill.

The Custody of Insane Persons (Ireland) Bill was read a
third time and passed.
Mr. FOX MAULE brought in two Bills for the better re-
gulation of Scotch Corporations which were road a first time.
Mr. HUME postponed his motion for returns with respect
to the propagation of the Gospel in New England to the Ist
of May.
Sir CHARLES GREY moved for copies the regulations
what had been made by the Governor-General of India in
Council, under the legislative powers conferred by the Act of
3d and 4th William IV., chap. 85.—Ordered.
Mr. HUME moved for returns of the number of capita
punishments inflicted in the Royal Navy from 1834 to 1837.
Ordered.