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so much delicacy as tt was, than to run the hazard., of Conunons shonld not he degraded or depreciated. to say, that their sentiment's, and especially the ee
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of introducing greater inconvenieneies by altering it. It was also untiir, as well as impolitic and unpatri- timents of the middle class, were -not favourable ~;
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S' 1N CHANCERY. AGNINIT ME M lUilis 0i; 01 ic., to depreciate the.resources of the Conieteyiel the the independence of Parliament. For his part, he-
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Noble Lord had (lone, by stating that we w*teod the had a high opinion of the charader of Parliament ; • .
Sir SdillUEL ROMILLY stud, no man was. :verge a. bankruptcy. 'Though sensible of !the ditli- and die was anxious that the Motion might be agreed
!nor.? a friend than he was to the .real and sobstatithir (la'illiaah of the times, and of the relief arisinLftent the to, in tirdee to prove how small was the number of
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Privileges o( the House of Commons ; but' he was judicious suspension of taiation, every man f a judg- ,the corrupt. lie differed completely from an *Hon.
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sure the Flousts'Wouild not consider a mere peennhiry :meat who considered the situation of elle Country,. ' Pientleman who bad -spoken against the increasin
advantage., to the .detrii +tent 9lllStictLa.lllo.llg..lllosc would allow there wore ample resources to meet the yhtesieof the Crown. At:, the present awful mee
subst intial privileges. Tli PliiitititT, in a. suit against ~didfctilii-ie ec'eliTiii to encounter. Iledi-d'tet see.;l-W- emein it 'ti.o-tild be mast injudicieue. TO diminish it.
a -Member of- Parliareent'in Chancery, was' obliged the advertisements for-the sale and purchase of seats , .'fie was as adverse to the dimhintion cif. the poWer
to Turiliah the Doendant With an office copy of the ie a, certain shneembly should be constreeshinto. an of the crewenat that moniente as he was to the dis-
bill, with the stibixena, calling opon-hitn to answer, argument of theegetteral c.orroptieti of Members of, # union of the people bra religients cry. The motion
contrary to the gener.il practice, according to which, Parlientent.. . He' agreed with the noldedsord, that ,of the Noble Leaf might do. cooSitletsable good.; it"
the Detendent paid for the office-copy of the Plain- the public servants} and' peeticularlY those -,of the could do no harm; and it.Shotald therefore have his
titi's Bill, and the Plaintiff fbr the office-copy of' higher classes; were rather under than' overpaid,— Narmsupport, . . .
the Defendant's answer. There was a nUmber. of There was oely,,mie species of pensions necessary to gr, LETHBRIDGE was rejoiced that this Me-
cases in which the Court decided that each party was inquire into. Within the last three yearn the: public . lion had been brought forward, because he knew
.to abide its'own costs, and, thus the money expend_ departments had got into the predict!. of granting Attie many people wereopen-meuthed about Places .
ed foe, the aceommodation of Memberaof Parlia- petisionaWithin themselves, withcluecomplyiiigewith •• and Pensions, and he knew that the , event would
went, in the manner he had described, was the- the -provisions of Mr; Burke's A4t, Seasse,ofehe a hew that their exclametions were getondless. He
quently lost for ever. It frequently happened too, public departments had withdrawn.themeelveaeven . WES.proteedirig to • advert 'to the eoforcement lat;t
that the delay and expence of- justice occasioned from the controol of the Treasury iiethis respeEt. On night of the'Order for- the exclusion of Strangers,
many a good cause to be abandoned before it could the whole, however anxious for inquiry, and desirous ,
,when be was called to order by the'Speaker.
conic to a decision. With a view to remedy these I
to afferd the- public information, be could not cone ' • 'ftir;-`LITTLETQN defended the • Noble Lord's
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evils, and to render justice more equal, he moved, 'I sent to, pass the Noble Lord's motion in its present : Motion against the ohjections of the Rightisioneur- ;
that leave be given to bring -in • a 'Bill to alter the ' OOP. , . , able Gentlemen who' had said that there was no pee-
PraElice of the Court of Chancery,, relatieeho the Mr, CP:RH:EN had hoped the Noble Lord's too- -cedeiit •for such at step; Wete not the timptempree
Delivery of Bills to Members of Parliament, belies lion NV,OLIIk'i .ba.t: passed withoot a dissenting. voice, cedelitecii It was worth whilt,,, at a period like the
in the situation of Defendants. • ' 14 had hoped some measures would be taken to put present, when the minds of the people Were so full .
NOTICES. ,' %an end to the disgraeeful , scenes that bad, thrilled a, of suspicions, at least to' enclenour to chew, that they
The SEcRETA,Ry at, Watt.. gave notice, that on
.• subject of mich'discreditable crithibatieth•Mal recrimi- were without foundation ; although he feared 1114
Thursday next he, should move for leave to entice}nation. •If was no objeetion that there was no pre- from' the recent history of-that Heuse, tied when the
some new Regulations with respeet to the Half4pay Cedcrit ; the unprecedented state of the thing was a late divisioni'Which fled teken place were consider!
stronger ground for the. investieenion. When the ed, they could not be attributed"to any thing but --,
of Officers. • _
Mr. DENT cave notice, that to-morrow he should • • c eee es T
,_ • ' 1? . • • , ,• ertion ot,every arm,' the want ,m preceuent was riot ••-; -04 r- LITTLETON added, that any rate the pt•ople
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''S rAistlsiNG/Olt DER FOR Tur EXCLUSION OF submit a Motion relative, to the. West India,l.rade. . - .1 e-t • ii. -; '•• ;• ten It it NC t. RS. The CHANCELLOR. 9,/' the EXCHEQUER public mind,
to be pleaded in
,bar to satisfaction due to, toe entertained suspicions, it nes tips ehies it
'fhe Finance Committee had an ex- portance to try to -eradicate them. Mr. SHERIDAN said, no person was more dis- gave notice, that on Monday next he woeld move s .
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, tenseve range of inquiry before it, and ought not Sir J. SEARRIGI-IT would support the •Nob
posed to, teepee the General Standing Orders of the the- Army Extraordinaries in the Committee of Sups . ; • • . .
. to sutler a day to ellipse without reporting something. Lord's Motion,"or something- resetobling it, bectiuie ~ Raise tnaii tie ivaa, and he was sure that when any ply. He also gave notice., that as Friday next '• •
That Committee was not constituted exaelly as be the putlic entertained doehts on this subjed, which'. •
?t runt rims kel than any of these Orders should be would be the last day for receiving Eledion Petitions;
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cnthretal, it was front the impulse of the best hontives. he would on. SatUrday propose en 'arrangement the thole' ht it should be though as the change was an investigatioe of this sort was best eseleulated to
made, he hid no objection to the Gentlemen intro- remove. He disclaimed- all. connedion with party,
The igoceedings, however, which were sothetithes the trial of such Petitions. He remained still of . . .ducel. Tf'nepraEtic'e. of granting pensions Without although he entertaineda high aeopetat.
Adopted with respea to the Orner fear: the exelusion opinion. that it would be inexpedient to try any in
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Exchet uer was a est .!s present Ministers. .. . . •
le cootrou (tle . Treasury or the i i Y . h dial the eh . f
of Strarrrt'm seeciitA to hint 10
p a require- to be ex- the present Session, but such as were likely to take stronger ground of inquiry. When it was recorded Mr: IP. smirliont,nde , tlat p wer
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Our his Ma-.
pleined, and to be placen on more satisfy Lary up very little time. The cases of dobble retuin for -
on theefoernals that seats in the House were bought the Crown, which depended, on Places end Pensious,
groul'ids... Vtfr,hen it. wet considered that Strangers hetance, and even of these, 'none that. c.,uld Riff to ,
mitltheld market (Horne ought to be lessened, and by that means the consti-
ldb 'll bullock.. • S ' ' . -
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iStl,h like.. . u oc. .. in . .
were, by' the Standing Order, never to be admitted, any ektraotdinary, length.' He thought it would be.
Petition) it was too much to fiord fault with tutional power of the Crown would be strengthened.
tio chostruetion of thet Sianutug Order could be in- desirable, ii, vever, that where the consent Of the..' e°te * '
the Noble Lord for adverting to
,NeWspaper adver- He preferred thematic, of obtaining information pro-
teroreted into a eight of commanding those to wit a- parties could ne obteitittl, the Irish Petitions should ;
tisentents. He had hoped that the obligatiiin ' poeed by the Noble Lord, to that proposed by the draw Nt,ho were to be presumed not to be present. be sent to Commissioners, as the examination of 1.1 eh i f i '•` '
Hon Gentleman because it was more strripit. o.n t le: ate •itneel or b Ire and to resign his pet). Right .. i ,
?'fie words of the Standiug Order were not to witnesses. may be taken itt •tho vacation, and the sion it he should again hold an office of equal emola- and explicit. The Committee of F .... mance na, an e,t; y
admit strangers, and it any. stranger intruded, the final decialoe may be thus reach) expedited.' thy if tide ment, would have produced a corresponding etfeet such a variety. of busineos bethre them, - i - ' •
...- SIE.V. R.I. LEONE. on the 'holders of pensions opposite,' 'and that they subjeet were referred bto them, they tamest eit lee ... 'lse- Cody by the krjeatit at Arms. 'He uid not think it ' Mt. 11.. TfIOIiNTON 'r. ' •
t, seemed a Petition from the would have resigned their pensions while they held the consideration 4-). it ,for a long time, or else. de:ay
right that it matter of such moment should be left Si /.. c ') • .i • -
erra 'cone ompany praying ei; . ~. offices. He complained that the power .of the. Crown the consideration-of other subjects a inani 4, iulp,,,t-
in So undefined a state, and 'atter' what had hap- . „
Lordlemeen wished to hnoW if the till 'for trans- had greatly increased since, it had been declared to ante, on Which they were then engaged, .He quetett
d testerde it ecme more necessary
pow ) . , ybinders ary than ever
c in oppoallion to the Pdght Hon.
ferring this Possession to the Crown was to be car- be alread '' d friendthe demo- Pl. 'l;' to . .
y excessive •; an ~ as •ato ,.. cx..stune pros ~ .
to corne to a taxed utandieg upon it.: If the ' • ..
hied into a luw : any Grant to the Company would cratic part•oe the Constitution, he whaled- to set that --Gentleman', that whatever grants the Crown might
Putalic was net to he allowed to know what the . • I • iteiirarid
i that .case be unnecessary. ' • *excessive power reduced within. propel' bounds. Thk, have- made,- Parliament might inquire itrttrt ~,
State of the Nation was, it was hard to say what it it Te, r,
ue ,HANCELLoR of the EXCHEQUER said that a excess yf power rendered- it insecure; .and when ilie pause them, not on 'tile ground that the Crown
eliouid be. allowed to know. He therefore have no. tpt, •
Diu was now in piogress. The aid to be granted influence of weaknes,, ,11(.1 corruption 'isE combined Was WtO:7g, but that the (=royal) had tieet.k i,•l u,d'l4-"s d'
tics, that he. meant 'on Friday to draw the attention - • - -
was only for the maintenance of the; Settlement till Whit the operation ut that exceseive power, the dan- He. was ready to maintain this'ePintott mitres of the House to this subjett, with a view to ascer- ti
I it. - With red
foe transfer could take place. ger was 'enlviiiced, and the Micelliet aggravated. To whenever the oecasion sbouldlietnant 1
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fain upon what' tooling it was to ;be. He was sure Mr. • •
he Wes cleany et
r. DENT 4are notice, that, he would in due refuse such an 'inquiry as this would be to do the gard to the salaries of public men,
nething was mote injurious than. that any ground season oppose what i e could describe:b '
yno milder . House more mischief than all the • 11 the opinion that thq should be littoral; a,lid he was ao
abuse of a
should be given to suppose, that the House of Cum- term then that of 1 the rankest , job that had ever Corresoentlitie Societies could do. Without showing cleerly, of opinion, that to give persons liirge pensionl
moss MIAs saying or doing any .thing which the 4
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before Parliament.' - •
come a dispoSition to satisfy ths.ptibli'e in a case of this on quitting office was most re,tsc, , 1
Mr. DI4IVIS .131101KVE was extremely sorry if : ' - • '
PLACEC PENSIONS AND SINECURES, HELD • •- As to the mode of. abtstmo the intorrnatton, wee: ,t
kind, the Might
.I-Ini. Gentleman oppos'!te(Mr, Fe.,- g
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BY MILMBERB of PARLIAMEN'r. ' ce, A) tvoutd count in vain upon his majority. If the it seemed to be 4/loweit oft *II hay . ,it , ,ricer ',lf> P.•'
any tiring had- fallen trout him contrary to the gene-
:see no dithinuity iii .friel-
Lard COCllliiiNEwodid not hove come forward Right Hon. Gentleman would ad on fair principles sirableeo obtain, he eo-iliti .
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ral sense, of the House. The fact wasi that he had
tug orders to every oilice put .-ot , u !nett the pubhui:
with the motion he was now about lithe Ace Wtailid support-him, however
to offer, it' there towards the pi . ~. .
not moved that the Gallery be cleared, but on hear-
f'l I e, 'le into money wag issued to lee beflase the Ifoue► a liet et'
had been any other mode of bringing a sense of dissatittied midi the manner in se. ic ine an
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... . . iog thing., fall from the Hon. Gentleman opposite .
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i (Mr. Whitbread), which he thought might be inju-
t_iat rate offices ; putting in. a class tt} thetn,,eNes thoiii; mind ought to be satisfied t
rious, if stitfered to go he thought it his
abroad,
, upon the Country at a time when its burthens were public delein-e, .uver)"
.., 'lbis lie said
paid . building
as a SUMS to-persons ln the: oli%t: 0
!scarcely tolerable~ a-e`tittle • "
t a when, if the new cgs'- justice was clone; to -the. pont::
duty to notice that there were atrangers in the
ns whica placed the present Commons, or to
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tern of finance, had not afforded a relaxation'.from friend to the Revolute
.., House, ; and :it appeared, that:when Once such a de-
. Mr. J. SUITH and Mr. Cone./ ?..tat explained.
Siolon from the heitidingeOrder was noticed, there aity further increase of taxes, it would have been Royal Family on the,Throne. ,
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was no discretien fur him, or for .the Speaker, or difficult, if ndt impossible, to discover any taxes ill,. IFHIT . heaped,, .
lifil,, 4D as there is as no doubt . . Air. wiLBERFoRc, t r . . n
-tE,.a•te paying a high co j.,• 4,... ~,_„ ~.i.,...,_
must
neccsarily
and immediatele .that could be borne ; a state of things approaching that an opinion prevailed
as to the existence of much • • .plitnent to the public charealer •of his Right ;Hiss
Jsh, tow shill h, it
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.motion would be so. • •
be .enforeed. ' / fast to the aara, of a national bankruptcy. In this corruption in die House,nourable- triend, the Chairman of the Charoitteh
' The SPE4 AYR said, that as the matter was men- state of things he thought it would be doing en framed as to refute that opinion, or at least to shrew s.
of Finance, proceeded to express the gratification
and in what instance it was warrant- . e
gritted,. be thought it his duty to state What Was'the essential service to the country to expose the places, in whlit degree . . which he experienced at tin:'ing thaa ins only,
preseat praLtice and usage of the flons'e, and what, Pelliions, aunt entolumenta, held by Members of Parr Noble L I d
eel..
Th 6 cakiec 0 1 the OTC seer to. be -to difference which existed in. the Hotise on this soh-
.. as being it it r're lit. thrriti.iht it his duty to adcollected view a mass of information • .e.
~ t ~ liarnent, and their immediate connexions. Fie did place under-one
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' -Ptwish t d' 'lf NI It,t ,d -mu in many instances Inaccessible.— ,• ) •
and entorce, till a :deed,' Oe altered. Whether the net o months flit:. proper patronage o . is now i e ac, It , ,
in %men it shoula be .earrieO• iuto exetmtiou-4.
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niSters, nor to limit the rewards of services, ;or the If the models, was referredto. flee,. otnniitteee_ 1- ties- highly
.heheeek .' to hennelee teeth; hhhhnn he
linose should li 2114 euer a HOW: tiO established,
. • salaries of public servants. His object was, that no nance; with an instruction to inquireinto and report receiving the proposition. of' tile Ntibh„i litird ,scitlif
would be for it-s ctltittideration ' From the Stand-
lug Order, fort,' , • ' ' • part of the public money should be paid e cept .f upon the Matter Contained in. it, the Report would reluetance,. h strong di,posnioil. wla beconie
nnioi,.
,iiiing the. altuissien of Strangers, . .ll, •or be of rnott useful deseeiption.
`it we s clear the) could belts the House only by suf- d 1
services one. t was not the burthets, 'but the probably a . . tested 'on both sides of the House to put the Plib-
..ferimce. For enforcing the exelusian, If necessary, . abuse that the country complained of. The adver- - 7'he --CIL4 NCELLOB of tlic .-',..\.'cirE,QuEß , hi, .6,1).,t,,,5,i0n ot ae pesseole Inform:item on th-
the Standing Order direeted that those who intruded tiseinents in the public prints, relating to the hure said, no ipposhion would be made to the motion, if ; subject ; for, ill his opiiiion, the alteri)ti4n hr4posed
themselves should lee taken iino elle custody of the Chase. and sale of seats ip Parliament,. was with the the Noble,- i‘lover would assent to a modification, ! by the Right ,Hots: t_:;Titletntitt ought to he,n,ioptcd.
Setjeant at Arms. BLit ttilS'lle 100ked 111)00 only as ptililic a ground for believing that such a tiaffic Wes such as waS suggested from •the other aide. at was ' From tins return wh!ch shetfld be-made-to- his Mo-
a triode, of gettilig rid of their Preiience Wit. should be but the entrance into a corrupt trade: such was the his.wish to give all passible information. To call for tion, an. abstract _might 44' formed, •cOrrevendiug
an inconvehience, or if they should improperly come language the Constituents held to their Candidates on a return , °Call those conneEted With Members Of with the. Noble, Lord's wish. He ditterm, Lowever,.
' in,• Or persist in remaining. With les.peta to the the hustings. Revolutionary views may be, imputed parliammt would his to lead to an endleis.lisl of her- I from the Right Hine Gentilernan an one pt)itit,. tier
obligati-ion of enforcing the Order, itseaaindispen- to him, as they were to others who wished for such eons, from which no pradieal resulecould he derived.,l:he thought' the Parliameni had a riihi, froM iiille V
sable ; 'at
...` any MeIVIDer noticed the.. presence of, investigations;' but he was aCtuated by the purest Officers. itt.the army' and navy, for inStanceeend on I time; to examine (though certainly not with Ilia-
Strangtlrs, be (lite' Speaker) had no. cheice , die' motives, and he hoped for the unanimous concur- the lialf pay, would be included. If the matter Was. I . lignity) whether the. undoubted prieheee. of Old
Hotise hat no choice-
, they. must be put forth. they
' rence. of the House. It was proper to show tile referred to the Cominittee, it might inquire not only' I; Croh-ut to grant Pew:ions.- &c. oevils or iietatint eset- •
's as the antient nod established twige. If the
people that there. was nothing in die charmer and into the pensions held by •,Members of Parliament, cised with sound discretion. /Ls differed. elso front
• I-louse should be disi;o4sd to alter. it, it would do habits' of those who composed the ,House, that . which would,be distinguished by the names, but into, I the Right Hon. Gentlehiati on the ',Ophanhe sids,
well to consider whether any new praetice that may, , ought•to be catim.qed. 46 oerefore moved that .8 , all pensions, by. whomsoever held. 'The lists of 1 Who contended Om co Pendons shoteild bo giloltV '
be aubstituted Would accord equally well with its 1 Committee be appointed to inquire and report what pensiens and
,piaqes may be had from die .different ! to public men on their retiruf,- Iron') 'ie:ee ; lw(-111"14
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diguity or its tonvenience. - .. , I Places, Salaries or Emoluments, derived from the . , , , departments i but, if the inquiry of the Committee lin that case their sa!alie6 alolit ee ; 4 411. Set. to :iii estra.
Mr. IVIIITBREAD wished the ancient and eeta-' i Peblicnivere held by Members of Patliatnenth their
• was deemed eatisfadory, be .saw; no objedion to it. vagant height to enable' them i 0 sa's4e S4at• wthalii't blithed Image on this head to remain unaltered, far, wives or descendants, or others in trust for them, in Isle thonght the Motion ought to be extended in sortie ford a decent subh • 'e - '''s t' •i t''`l-v 'll'l,l
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although he deprecated as much as his Hon. Friend possession or, reversien, throughout • the whole of respeks, and narrowed in others, in Order to give it. NAV pult..l;c ojtkeS were
I Y 2 men who- had helh
die exclusion of strangers, he was uatiihed nt) new his Maje.sty's dominions. a useful and not an unnecessary range. The Crown + lo a great, ra„,,,,,, i,
~,1,,,,‘..,,,, •;c,-,',1 iiui•ii:l(L 'an•.
errangenteitt with roped to them would; be equally Mr. COCHRANE JOHNSTONE secondedthe motion.
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being allowed the power of granting pensions to- a . other asroaesseet ...,-, ,a ''., :..,,, ssies• .;;J ',`,aiis.e.'- til
• condtteiee to the dignity antlehe conveelence of. the Mr. IidNKES thought the infornaatlen desired by certaila amount, it would be comhetent to/ inquire '1 ' which ' '' ' ',` '''''' :' - --' ef ' 'toe Army
ttie unentv,itiyed i.,)ructrs t
litii.e. Tint fight of excludinedutd- been seldom the. Noble Lord desirable in many respeEts ; but it before the,Report of the CoMmittee, as well as after, 1 and Nav 'i*••e ' n tt• I. t. eithla.
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i y were tiitowt-• o nalpayi ~..E, , _ .:, , ,
exercise& anti 'iu. thee course of his ex.perience,.he would be neither preaicahlesnor proper to pass the - whether the pension list ought to be reduced The , hi, atg,,„„„t. . cf,,,, ~,.,,,,d hh,.,t . le eses a lot
• i.li.i 1,1(...ver known it to he exercised with advantaie. orde,r in h's present shape. There. was no.precedent 1 House' havitig fixed the 'amount to be.granted, L. ' thoes,rno.st dehreelh ';;; et 11;:i.*; cher e'iet ot Pal
.., 1., c ielusiort,ot het night was particularly unwite. '
lof sects an order on the Journals, though the 'loose !•Itieistiotted whether it would be right‘to virus is the • liatnent shout ' stair d' , • •' - . tl• e• i::..-,-,iit-: V l'" . I
It Sel'ith';(t the. HOll, Gentleman o -'. (M D t had freqUentlythou ht right t interphse endcheek . propriety of every individual grant. He did not ; ',Nil' 1 . 1:11'' li
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pposite - r. ~ 1, . ~ h ..i. .to - ' s very aappy t.,.at 4,, ~..., ~ tiVro ii,AQ or i.got 1-4--
jlrowne) thought something that he had said would i the excessive or itupropern distribution of salaries,. know whether the course he proposed fell ie with i ward this Motion, as he vole shies-ion den thsereseit
lune an injurious ,steed on ti,,, public: mind, if bid; 1 pensions, and emoluments, derived from the public. - tile views of the Hon. Gentlemau- opposite , (Mr. '' woulthaasenhvourathesto aliet.ehaele • . .
fered ter abroad.; BM the, expression) whatever tt ISo extensiven field of inqUiry could hardly he reduced ' chltaYhtaY. 'He ionised for no support btit front a . mi-. Ski ERumisii,obs-vga, t'aat.ti-,. No!tlk! bird
wase tlim struck 'the Hon. Gentleman as improper; sto any of the known 'rules adopted by pormuitteee of strict` perlormanee of , his duty.' 'He shoutd never I very wisely had' hot prefsiceHl .his's'C'ach...)-ii..ss ith 111""i4
did go abroad, If Vk'bat he had strict ..W..lB•capalalc.
Of ll the, House, rhe places held by Members of Parlia- seek popularity, by false-representations injurious to , ese;ertseet beca.U.se (if hi; rethen; ehel l•hn rie•hi! )
iefutation, it ought to go abroad accompanied by the 1 ment were besides known, and the. pension list NV.fis ' the Members of- Parliainent, 4nd tending' to excite 1 1)14 ( t-;er-1).,-C t' * *"‘
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no. 'so mac._ to thoter.iii le•_: i n(i,•-•
refutfttioh. It it could not be refuted, it ought to go i either regularly laid' cm the table every Ses.sion; or a alistrhs.'t of the meena of the Conntr H 'F. ) iti 'as
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.. y. e was_ une ; -xpen-iture, as eta rescereno (14;71:: ot i.=. ;l
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axottt 'OA atititor ty of truth, 9 ---7- be on the motion of any Nlenaber. The Cem- , willing that any inibrmation praCtically .benefieial i which •the Crottli pos., •:.„••-,,i ;.; tha • I'-' - 't' th,c.
t: ~:si,. ..„, 0 '.l.'he Member who etitov(-ed the right of eeehaeion ! mittee in which he had the honour to_ prsidelthe - should be withhelot . .The C ' would '. • r
e einimittee inquire mode proposed by the. 1.1'.,..:;t -T1;•:: ~....;,.4.-;-riail' 't
oright to be Sure that he exercised it; with a sound Cointnittee of Finance) bad ordered the pension . intOthe tettitre and extent of the pet/alone and erno- ' eif him *be - '
, .appear to to a itio,t rouno- :; '2:i ",', .:y t4,-,
discretion. - . ' list to be laid before it,; and would proceed to ,i- lutneuts, turd by' whom they were held. '
! into the generil investiga,t,:::l ot t' c --.., ; -,.• : E : shhh'i
The BPEAKEH felt it his duty 40 reiniud.the Hon. examine, the ciectunatances• eonneaed with it in the 1 ° Lam./ OSSUL.STON was of o' * I; ' - "' '1 • * P ' • -illymese, t tat it was a list at rel tee 4'iatres .. er,11.):, :, :- -, , • .., t,.,.
Gentleman and the Ilouse °fides cries of ehe next .Session. It was invidiOs and improner.to con- -most desirable the Hoof, , • d-0
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0-seethe:nom that had Mien one iiitu, , rev to the public, an ' insinuation, that i.eNntbers of .. acqueinted with hhe feats, 1
weatever theh tuight be. names of In- !dem- ber.- ~:' ii, ~• ,-;;• - ..
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/Ph . Sec. 0.4-N.N: ING. said, there would •he notch Perliaineot were influenced by considerations. 01- pri- ,He thought that .then Noble fathers tatotiote didlinete .p- -• a- '''''-e; '''' ';1 '''
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difficulty front converting into- .a . right what the vote •:itivitutagefor themselves or their depsielenti, He go tar enongii, and that the intern to in.viistaist tie` by. . leibe L. .
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Speaker had very* properly clenoinittared a. surfer- i hnew no ground fir costing %eel) En iinputatiou, never : .no iileatis eatistaetory, . to be tendtr .ei..- :, ti..-, ~,,,- .-, i • , ~t lo- ~,-• iv '''
,r atice: Whatever inconvolienceS attended the exer»: j east at any former time; foreit was west tesentiei ' I.lle 3- Shliffll had extepsive ''ceirlirtiniicatiert to conserees tf:,-- " :,- ' ''' ti. ' ',' vi r`
else of the right it was betteg to leave a matter of .
I that at this critical period the charaCter of the Holise , with hi, eautuerous •eonatitherita i and' he. - • s ' ...' '"'' ' r ; ' '''
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Memorial of the Thinkers of Dnblin to the Post-
inasteri Gentl.al rat Irelwd, oa die Miscarriage of
Letter; containin4 flank Notes.
Sir 71.1fia LES LEY ad i tted the ex-
istence of the abtise compi:i;irod of. t a very great
degree, and promised that c very attention should )it=
paid to remedy it. Mea,..n.f!.. were no•,v under con-
sideration, with view to I at objea.
D ti.gm.at.i the lionie, thatthe.
,
conveyance the l'o>r iii rretann was now much
mofe insecure •ban it had boon the most disturbed
times, Letters, cottutining Notes were althost
uni-
tot mi.?, opened, and piiloged of, a part, or the whole,
of their` contents, and then s tiled up again. , It had
hnipp,med to him to 11,ve I %co liters opened, and.
,the Notes inclosed miereSanged, so that those dis.
patebed.to the North v.esit to the West, and those
sent to the West, went to the North. This could
ha\ e taken place only in Dublin, the only plitee
w 1..1-e they could have been together., In filet, some
Notes taken out of 'letters of his had been found in
oi.d. of the apartments of the Post-Oftice. It was
:tc:..nowledged at the Post-alike, that the apartment
in which the Sorters were was so small, and the per-
sons so crowded, that they, may secrete or open the
letters without deteetion ; and it was also acknow-
ledged, Elm these p.rsons were so badly paid, that
it vents only on the principle of indemnit'ying himself
,by robbing the letters, that any man could be .11r
&teed to accept the employment.
Mr. FOYLER allowed, that though the state-
-trent; that had been given were exaggerated, there
was Much real abuse, which Government had given
its attimtion to, w ith a determination to lose 'no
time in applying a retuedy.---The Paper was or-
&led.