The Sun.
London, England, 1813-04-01 00:00:00

EARL OF MOIRA'S LETTER.

Ur. WiliMeAD before the House proceeded
to business., wished to soy a.few words which re..
fated to a subject on which he had of late several.
times addressed the. House. fHe had hoped that
be should not have had occasion ttguin to bring
before the House any thing which related to that
disagreeable business, which be had hoped was
put at rest for ever. But certain circumstances
of so 'extraordinary a nature had occurred, that
be thought. it his duty to call the attention of the
lionse towards them. In a public Paper of Mon-
day a letter had appeared, whieh purported to he
from the L'arl of Moira to a Member of a Lodge
of Freemasons. This letter contained a very 'ex.
traordinary paragraph, to which he wished the at-
tention of the House to be directed. Lie had,
however, first to state, that the public understand-
ing seemed to be, that all the examinations on
the subject to which he alluded, bad been stopped,
and that the whole matter had been put to rest.
This understanding hatl been sanctioned by the
circumstance of the Princess Charlotte haring vi-
sited her Mother. lie Was driven to the hasty
step (as some might call it) which he was about
to take, breause Lord Moira, the person whom it
principally concerned, was to proceed on Friday
on his way to India. He should not allude to the
other topics of the letter. But the paragraph
which he had mentioned was of such as nature,
and its Obvious construction was so extraordinary,
that the Noble Lord should not be allowed to
leave the kingdom,
,without proving what was
contained in i,t, and explaining the ch cumstances
which had led to :such assertions... The Honour-
able Gentleman then read the paragraph to which
Le alluded it was as follows .
When the Prince did me the honour of. re-
lating to me this representation of Lord Eardley's
expressing great uneasiness that the asserted no-
toriety of the interviews a*: Belvedere, and the
comments of the neighbours, should force biin'io
take any public steps, I suggested the possibility
that there m Misapprehension of be' Misapprehensio of the cir-
cumstances; and I. intreated that, before any other
procedure should be dkermined upon, I might
send fOr the steward (Kenny), and the porter
(Jonathan Partridge) to examine them.----This
was perthitted. sent for the servants, and
. questioned them. My report to the Prince was,
that the matter had occasioned very little observe-
'Om in the house, none at all in the neighbour-
baud, and. that it was entirely unnecessary for his
Royal Highness to notice. It in any shape. . The
servants had been desired by ate never to talk upon
the subject ; Lord Eavdley was Warmed that his
conception of" what had been stated by the ser-
%rants found to be inaccurate ; tia mention was
e.t.er made to any one; not even to the Lords who
eandacted the inquiry, three years afterwards, of
the particulars related by the servants; and the
circumstance never wonld have been known at all,
had not the legal adVisers of the Princess, for the
sake of putting a false colour on the investigation,
indiscreetly brought it forward. The death of
Kenny, in the interval, tempted them to risk this
procedure. jonatban Partridge having been known
at the time when he was questioned to be elevated
to. th e•Prin cess, from his declaration to the steward,
to one can doubt but that her Royal Highness
would the next day be informed by hint of his hav-
ing been .examined. 'The nicasnre was most- of-
teu,,ve,. if not justified by some ntreomniOn peen-.
iiarity ciretnnStkniee. Yet alisohne silence 1,4

rve•‘erN ed upon it for so long a period by her Royal
nigh at tss's advism ; a lotbearanee otOy to he
ol v,;cl by their beiog too cautious to touch upon
the point while Kenuy was alive."
When tirst read this paragniph, the con:
struc.tion which heat Once put ,upon it, and which
om be conceived to be the ost obvious, was, that
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there Were certain within the knowledge of
liviwy, which ilaVe proved criminality on
the W.O.t. (It the Prineess of Wales ; and on that

-tress bad purposely abstained trout bringing tortVitrei:
Kettity, as a witness. Under the conviction` that
the meaningol the paragraph was such, he
intended, upon Monday night, to have brought
Abe matter before the House. But on reading the.
paragraph over many times, he found that another
construction might be put uponit, which, thentgli
the very reverse of that which had at first occurred
to him, was probably the right one.—The passage
might be construed as insinuating that the evi-
dence of Kenny was not called for,
,because his
=testimony, instead of eliminating, would coin-
,
pletely establish the innocence of her Royal High -
'less. This was not all : there was another.part
of the paragraph deserving of more serious consi-
deration, and which most certainly recniired ex-
planation. He alluded to that part of it which
said that "Jonathan Partrid;e was knowu'at the
time when he was questioned to have been devot-
ed to the Princess."—That it could he supposed
for one single moment that a menial servant, a •
porter to-my Lord Eardley, should he at the devo- .-
tion of the Princess of Wales, and that he should
convey to her Royal Highness information on the
subject of his examination—all this tvra3 most CN-•
traOraillftry, and called loudly for explanation ;
and if the Noble I;ord was allowed to leave the
kingdom without explaining it, atothing couldthe"
done in the matter after his departure. lf,• fultv=l
ever, there had been nothing more thah this, he
would have allowed it to pass ; and if it had been
allowed to pass till his Lordship' should leave. the
kingdom, it would he passed irremediably. Ile
fotiad, front remarks wide') bad .appeared in a pub-
lic paper of that day, that the construction which,
%vas put upon the passage was the same with that
which he had himself at first put upon it ; and
indeed it was certainly the most obviouS. Find-
ing that it produced
,upon the mind of the public
an impression untavottrable'to the character of her
Royal Highness, he thought it his duty to submit
to the House it motion on the subject.' Lord Moira
being a Nobleman of high rank and cbaraeter,and
character and having hech professedly the author
of a paragraph which had conic before the pub-
lic, the interpretation of which wits at best dubi-
ous, it was certainly his duty, and he was sure it
would he his wish to give a proper explanation of
all the circumstances which led 'to It, bei:ore
quitted England.' He understood that Lord Moira
acknowledged the letter; and he was therefore sure,
that it would be most congenial to the kelings• of
his Lordship to appear before the representatives
of the.people, to givesuch explanation as was ne- •
eessary. fie had hoped that the agitation of any
thing connected with thy subject of his motion
would have been rendered unnecessary, and that
every thing relative to it had been.stopped ; it
therefore gave him great pain to be 'under the ne-
cessity of bringing 'such matter again before the
House. He was persuadeerthat further disclosure
and discussion, on a subject so nopleasant and so
repugnant to .the feelings of every inan,coulti only
be put an end to,'by a recognition Ott the part of
his Royal Highitess the Prince Regent himself, of
the innocence of his consort. This alone, he was
sure, could pea a sell!. upon the matter. How such
a recognition could taste pla.Ce, it was not for Lim
to say, neither was it his duty to suggest:: It Yt''tlS'
certainly the duty of Ministers to take some step'
on the siehject, us any comniuniention with his
Royal Highness on such a matter, would come
best from them. He wos convinced that the first
step to such a recognition Would be to give to her
Royal' Highness a suitable establishment ; and this
of course it was the duty of Ministers to suggest;
but if they did not,• it might in that case be a fit'
subject for a motion, to be brought before the
House upon some futtire, occasion; At all events
he was convinced that nothing but such a recog-
nition could be the means of putting a seal upon
the matter. He then moved,
" That a Alesgtagv be Rea to the Lords, to desire their
Lord ;Lip to gritUt leave that the, Earl of Moira 0101.1i(i !)..t
la4ore thig Howe, to give an. eN).l:auttion at the bar,
touching. certain ;natters his knowledge, relating to her
Itoy4l flightless the Vrinceis of Woks."

The SPEAKI:vit, before putting the question beg-
ged leave to say a few words on the nature of, the
motion of they. Honour►►ble Gentleman, Hevished
to,give the house advice upua it, for such he cc►n-
ceived to lie his duty. So far as he was -informed
of the habits of Parliament, be believedtuat it was
not villal for the House of Commons to call upon
any Member of., tLe other House to give informa-
tion or explanation on any 'subject which did, not
iiiimediately relate to a matter depending before
the House. If a message should be sent to the
Lords, requiring the attendance of a Peer to give
information to the House of i any subject uncon-
nected with any thing before the House, the. Lords
would immediately reject. such a messlige, and
would return for answer,• that before a message
orthat nature could be complied with, it would
be necessary that the House should resolve, to
enter up:rn• an investigation. -He therefore remit-
Mended to the Hort. Gentleman t.► witi►draw his
motion, or at least to suspend it, until the matter
wit 4 which it was connected shituld be the subject
of an inquiry in the House.

Lord CASTIAREMAT felt it his duty to represent
to the House, in that state of the affair, the im-
propriety of such a `step as that which Itaa been
taken by the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Whitbread).
He was surprised that the Hon. Member should
again address the House oa subject, which he had
made, for a sixth time, a matter of discussion,
only to agitate the public mind. The Hononrable
Mover should have called Upon them (o rescind
the principle of the llouse, and have re(jairo
them to go into the consideration of sonic Cllllll.-
teal matter connected with a tran4actiou which
was not matter of investigation it) the, Hon3e.--
Being averse to such discussions, he should not
pro's arguments on the subject any farther. lie
would only say, that he was surprised at the con-
clusion of the Member's speech. In his
former speeches, that Hon: Gentleman had dwelt
upon the propriety of deciding on the guilt or in-
nocence of tip Princess, of Wales ; but on that
night lie seemed only to hesitate about al, estab...
lishument fo:. her, without saying any thing about
the guilt or innocence of her !loyal Highness.--
Ile concluded by expressing his regret that any
thing relating to this unfortunate business bad
ughin been brought before the House for he was
vonvinced, that' nothing fiw the public good' could
result Irma the interference of Parliament.

Gentleman Wished that the qitestion should
be put?
:Mr. WinTnEAn conceived into be his duty to
have the question put, iotwithstanding what °had
been said on the subject by the Speaker.
The SPEALIea said, that he had thought it his
ditty to state to the House his opinion:as to the,
propriety of the motion.
Lord CASTLEREAGH moved us an amemiment,
" That the Orders of the Day should be read."
Mr. PoNONBY observed, , that the constant
practice of Parliament had been' that which was
stated by the gpeaker ; and that there was no in-
stance in which that House had desired the at-
tendance of a Peer, unless to'give 'evidence on
some proceeding depending before the House.—
The reason of this-Was Very, obvious ; it was he-
cause the other House. 'could not judge of the
propriety or impropriety of allowing'the attend-
omie of a Peer, unless they were acquainted
the nature of the proceeding on which his infor-
mation was req9ired, by tbarprocceding having
been depending before the House ; and also that
the Peerhiniscif, whose attendance was required,
could not judge of the-fitness of his compliance
with the' request of.ithe Hoiise. disapproved
of the tootle of proceeding• of his Hon. Friend,
whether it was adopted for the purpose Of raising
a question in the House, or with the intention of
having the House agree to the one which he had
proposed. lie should, however, make a sug-
gestion whieh he hoped mould not be deemed im-
pertinent ; it was, that instead of the House tak-
ing any step on thEt occasion, since 'the persons .
concerned had.cho-utt a newspaper as the vehicle
for conveying their sentiments to the public,
they might as well be Allowed to have recourse to
the saute means for
,communicating any further
information. - •

Sir F. Be RDETT thought that it was necessary
that there should he some termination to the gross
calumnies which had so long been spread abroad,
affecting- the character of her Royal Highness ;
and this termination. was .most likely to he poi-
cured by•some net on the part of the Prince Re-
,gent himself. He could ,not agree to what had
been said by the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) about'
the interference of the Commomi on such a sub-
ject. There were cases in which the House had
terminated such ediett:ision,' without taking any
particular steps ; • and this from an understanding
that the advisers of the Crown shindd advise such
Measures as might effect the- object in a manner
more
.desirable,, both as 'it regarded the public
and the Royal Family. It was certainly expe-
dient that her Royal Highness should be de-
clared to be, innocent of those charges which
had.been made against' her, and which could
not be affixed to her without affecting the
other branches of the Royal FaMily. And
there' would be no just cause for surprise,
if, at some future time, any Member, follow.
ing the example of the lion. Gentleman (Mr.
Whitbread), should think it his linty to submit
to the House some motion, the object of which
would he to effect that recognition which • was so
desirable: He could not agree 'with those pessons.
who thought that no advantage had resulted to
the public from what had been sai4 in the Hdtage
.upon the subject. On the contrary, be thought
that the discussion's which had taken place, bad
beets productive, of very great advantage, for th-q
;:bad been the, Means of .showing hots' unfounded
'those calumnies were which had been eirenhtted
;against the Princess of Wales, and they hattheen
the means of completely establi;hing the inno-
:eence of her Royal Highness: As it respectedthe
.intention cif
,the., Hon. Mover, the motion had his
entire. conetirrence ; but, as it had been justly •
Said, that there was no precedent fOr requiring
the attendance of a Peer at the liar of titellouse,
, to .give in On any sub ject. not conneettet
h some proceeding depending before the Rouse;
.and as, on this account, there was eve.ey 'pro-
bability, that the'Lord, would refuse to comply
ti i,h the message, he suppOsed that the Honour-
able Gentleman voultl not press,' the motion any.
• farther.

Mr. M. A. TAYcoa said, that by common con-
sent, there ~tented to exist a de-Are that the mat-
ter conneeted'with the question before the House
sbould. he put an end to ; and this being the ge-
neral feeling of the public, it was probable Out
it %void(' have been pia an end to for ever, if ,by
the net of his Hon. Friend it had not been re-
newed. if his lion:. .Friend meant,, well to the
Prineess at NVales (and he was sure be did), he
would abstain from bringing any thing, wore be-
fore the public which related to the conduct of her
Royal Highness. This would have been the wisest
step to insure silence on a subject, the nitation
of which gave pain to every cone, and which
never ought to have been, discussed within the
'.ells of that House. tie should not offer any
opinion on the merits of the question proposed.
lie hoped that his Hon. Friend would think bet-
ter beforp be took any other s,tep in ti at busine,s.
if the Prince itegent should think proper to send
a-message to the House On the stlect, it would
then be their duty to enter into a discussion upon
the subject. ‘But until this should happen, no-
thing could induce hiw to give his consent, to any
measure, the tendency of which was to keep alive
matter.; conne.eted with the conduct Or the Prin-
cess of lifales. On these grounds h..: should vote
for the amendment. - •

Mr. WiiSTERN spoke in favour of the Motion
of his Honourable Friend (Mr. Whitbread.) As
fax as he understood it, it met with his entire
corictu 'Thee, becau,e its object was, and lie was
certain that its effect would be, to quiet the pub-
lic mind.

:M.r'CANN,lisla said, that as he bad- not been in
the liouse at the commencement of the debate.
until he heard the speech of the Member-who had
last addressed the Howie, he did not know that
any motion had beerkl mde; and, thinking that
what -vvas going OH Was one of those irregular eon-
irers:tiOas whii4l hail of late taken. place ou sever
rail occas'kon he had inttnliled tei have abstained
from taking any partin it. Bat as be widerstood
that there crri a' motion before'the be
wished' to state- why he fihonld his yote for
the reading of the Orth'rs of the Day Jim' agreed
with the Hon. in thinking that the last
Aisoussion lirid ended with an unrirvilibn that the
jabject was finally pct's stoleto nnios sOnie,par-:
ease aboidd

•
'nett b4gt,t be an eittehle-Ctie t-i tcbicii t)ii $ll,
taion of matters connected with the itilije,
might gti to so great an extent, that tilt parr
thillietilid
ocousueld. oßoliy4bt levolitietiiiieitleetlibi,tvatltle:(i)
occurrence of such a ease was prissible,thetillt:i
was accosiipaiiied by a hope that mattef,7,
riot be pushed td such 'an eAtremity. 1v1,„
possibility was conceived, the interference
..i';Fi
'lament WAS a matter of discretion. • 11e5.b7i
scesrsrYityt:-Is t(:fle,fidnde Ki:l:l,Vl:3bltilitillgfitrebiewecia.escristli!itt(hir:o
to state whether he thom.Tlit that stick a net`..
,alitistliilaiitn(ti i;innis,etxhiasttel:ll,, he shotilcl licit l'e'l.t`l.':.
answer in the negative... Another .iiiipti"o"'s
sitm on the subject, there %vas one hope 0,7,
goadeies°lti.iteliT t
andte rail: tell ngoatoit°lalsibt'th7j;:itlislilegil:"tcit:lteglilin'r'teil''';'iilliillell'l.ll
betrayed a want of knowledge-of the l'ffi**,,ledi
meter to suppose that such a discussion te'r'r, ;
promote the object..of briaging., the "-''t.iippe
termination, Tim.. should be give? tf)r
I'd gip,,
'ation• of all feelings upon the solliect' $: Olio'
tilone wool(' lead to the result. 00,greqt.04
tion whit he. Init.! to the revival of 1014,0
'vl", that they removed the,time 01?"'' ts).4ciial
'lAtieliatice of that tenni tuition toll grelteroi,edoil
F e coneei ved 'that this time was alto! top safitt,'
,:lniew from every discussion in thalllib't.,,,, f...
t ii the- 'bile which had elapsed betsy,c.,q, 0, '''''
mer discus ; ,i.on and the one the)) '14"'60,, 01)11
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1• .. HITBREA.., for the lollop-11i? 0,,
Right tionotirtible Gentleman wilt' 'l!('‘inegerci
Ntated the eireumstancCs tvliicli had "„- Ntee
to bring forward his motion• fie then rho
ttuirg.:
eadliniiss:t:tretlitrierntirli
ill:etyi attrbigi
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iillcichi
„hi
)ai had
is ,
taisleatrolit.ical. antagonist he fel(tCl3-:)tinenirFalilllll
~
ecusation whiell the . Noble 1-4)1.1.` 1100
°gluts( lvini';')l 1)61101 ii r forward that 10° 014
lavitseils.a tiot,.ttigieitiiitated thheet'elpill'ialieltictinaticiiiiid.b)l,le-pt;i4/;
he might have pressed Upon the Nnble , „at,
matter which Was the subject of eetlji".o'.
aimut the examinations wilieh it ,''lsil')l'
were at that time going on. Til("e, ''''‘-ft,
couldnot be justified on any gtok''''''"' 'is°
it was rumness they had been dr"ri°,:,liii
not carried the matter any farther. lic 0ji,,,!,4
House and the Noble Lord to ben'. it'i ( i,Jr. 1
Circumstance. His Lic,nourahle Frie'''' ' drii
for ) bad said, that the less the iii&te'',Vi:Jcii
upon' the better would it be for t': ii:leoj
/V
41e9. He supposed that it was 'l'4lloo'i
the less these things were canvassed i'litiotioil.
the more dignified Would be the Pit ~,rst4',
the Illustrious L'erson whom they et'nc' ei
„in tout)))s)
was unnecessary for hint to sty al, PP
et
ttiloar:ilitigttillier.:%itt'ilt.eointilitey conthicrtr(ll;iterbi.el,,,ti)ll4).°
netts the Princess of "%Vales. A IliV
bit Gentleman (Mr. Canning) had'
at_ olcioPri(acti:ris,lteic:a.refinii)::::::itttiliituttcitilaleielsk.lecu:)hthsrictitu:i e4rt
oc,asll .
el:It
it)ab ishine to lin . ~,b,,c 1
of joStiCet '
)based
first espoused, and that he onlY l'es.ri iftt; 1.-
denied. Nfelitinf?tr'u °cLlPtiribeceisesscs4ll‘c:igriltlaitsott:';e
was, that the question of An esoddi',lo,ol:.
be canvalsed, In that House., A'"11; r!ibst i'',
acquittal, of the of Wale' t\on of 6:
and, by mankind,—after the proscellb . lit)'
oil
:fitlieies for. perjury' wits foto'l"tuh:cidl'i;;.
7—when certain persons could iit.'t
}i.,lo.ctit'r
bar, to answer for the pithiiCati ' isc fo'',
and 'if extreme necessity was to "'' 'O4OOl
novel or.extraordinary cireurosti'l,e.e. of -ti
occur ; he contended that tlii.' cs'i'ic.`,itiaal
necessity had occurred by the 11,",!iOd 1,4t7-i
letter, one paragraph of whiel' `)-L i'lli /9',lii
his own part, he thought that to i''',7 o'o ,
a termination, only one act of rceof-o't itl th 4
part of the Prince waS iieceo,ol' ,:it,',P
that act was abstracted from l'itriol ti,i 9'
the better. He then apologi,"1: to pin P.
for iiisi,ti4g upon having At iine't4:ll nt 11'
his advice. Ile then adverted t''' menu`'.l (wii
said by his Right' liononsable ErDart4
soupy) about the reasim why the be c;10:0
refuse to comply with the olesg3gl ei :h inf;°,(4
did not know the subject op w'ticiait .1,0
was -required, auk theres)re coil,'
,eciie - (
the propriety of compliance• s"'ltiod ~
wording of his motion, that it well atiovt.‘ii
larly the .subject tin. which inf'olll_l,)ir 1.9.
quires'l, fsO that, it wits tiot Pos,'", 00 o,'
on the acute of a want of knowleqi' tlio.
,lect. Ile .concluded by hoilil4' tbfil°lll4:
4 would not be discussed again in, t104,,,,,tr57.,
if any thing further of a novel (11:1i; it Pr
nature should occur; he sholtid 6,1! coo.
to dis,:mss it in the House. ..1..01'Y
desinotis than be was, to bare o,e biiit*
lice); hue should therefore' strive 1(' !ilitr-ii
<, then;, 4 lijitti
think Old' in the event of itn.Y ---' •Ogs-4..ri
peeling, it would not be necessarY 07Ait
i't her4re the house. Nniiii lig 113,1111 t ito% rod
a case Of extreme necessity cot! dt,c.., -
bring forward the matter on did! . e'e. jiir
division. . i I.
i tl fut"" lit 7~0
iner period-a...410r should to ,
riiiii,t o,ii
The Qiiestiou was then pio, v, ericti
ment of Lord Castlereagh %%.• ' ' A
,ds a.
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The House then. resolved its ell tai'. s Ai.
o( Ill:, IP:A
inittee ; when the Counsel ~....Aaa,,l'. ,iv ..1
proccedetl to el.:atnitie iNfr. ‘..,,-,i.c,i oi ,toept,,
was nearly similar to that th-"J.''l%. (he v%,1 00l
lug dial . .TI) e nidniler ire :'i7bit'ili,l: tit7i;lp
hi:s -ans,,vefs was objectot to!
tkitioa
,if
winds the close of his cle.'"lll:infe'ir',±tet4
phei. To him the wituesst 1.- 1.2 0,1 %.:0(17
lilslsiiisePderhitiji":?trno stifficalhel3l:l:tti:lilli.;;tfilaili:‘;;Ctft-i4
t7,lrisorttiiiio,%tirtitik),Ohlibic)ltis;gokte,)llll,ll:ll-;tlit:e,tlollF tiP7
ilii einbareassnient, • lie ' 'morro'' to
withdraw, and. to attend to- ileAl ,4
Lord 'll-eigninouth
A , fi'lle V' do '
. -, lAA,: pvinence•
_..,meet
wits thePICI: or lio',

L., be
'GW,be

relative to 01'0 hiiit'itry at Velltit; He
thA.he had litard-:l',i iwattov, imputed
>44ll:"o,rionent na-
-had Caused the mutiny at Yellore : this
coupled with a public order issued
tithe, had gainel a degree of Weight
which other,vise %rout(' not have
ied to it In an.kver toquestioris put
the Counnitteo.i. he stated, the. Alis-
'ho liaiLheen lit Bent* 17 years dis-
ihles and religious trictsi bad caused

NA,ithdrew. •
IThipTos; rbported progress, and ob-
!. to sit again to-morrow:
ItoIUNTON moved that accounts of the
'`koff India, fromlbe years 1802-3 to
the tonnage and freight of ships en-
the' privileged' trade from 1793-4 'to
ml of the tonnage of ships engaged in
trade from 1804 to 1807, inclusive, be
'he .fiouse,—Ordered.

gave notice of a motion for Thursday
Ir an Address to the Prince hegent on
employing Russian troops. in Spain.
'NEI', after a long conversation with
llor of the Exchequer, postp9ned his
!ctieg the Sinking• Fund, which stood
to 'Friday, on which day he stated it
:entionto take the sense of the House
'tion which he had it in forward.cuntempla-

EN proposed to postpone the Com. -
Weymouth Voters' Bill to Monday.
R thought if it were so postponed,
to he made peremptory for. that
it was pending, three seats in that
kept- Vacant. After a short cow/Cr-
'as fixed for to-mamy.
Ti•Asr INDIA COMPANY. ,
Ise having-resolved itself
a
illll )t
; into Cote-
blcEi.Loa of the EXCHEQUER- rose to
qt. for the repayment of sums advaueed
lie service by die East India Company.
'e the Committee would see, that at a
lalportant to the East India Company
'eat, it was very desirable that the ac-
we en Government and the Company
tttled its nearly as possible, that there
l° complaints on either side, of ba-
wl outstanding accounts. The Coin-
Avaucid sums to so considerable an
!at it was almost alarming to reflect
Oven advanced for military purposes,
concurrence of Parliament. The
ever woahl feel the importance of hav-
a
111 India, and he thought they
ec' a~vat~ced e with hint, that it was very desirable
II should now' he repaid. In
fiTy,nses were not to be expected, as
,iit'lfrn.ow waved on the snores of Asia,
" of
kf: jiVa .acid the Mauritius had
• emmitici.ll menace, us before, and
I%6Ped th 14 uo longer necessary. It
tog the time to come,. the
.
as
that %% part of the on
)night be
,hater ,
-er the first instance to
0
:of tile ,
funei-) would be the
e orougbt by the East India Cum-
's` the country. The island of Java,
late, vas not likely to he a burthen to.
.?I', its revenue being equal to its expen-
'ls was not the case with the _Maud-
_es_timated balance due to the C0m-
.7),294,000/. it was his intention to
-,000,0001. should,
us in former years,
°I) aecoont, lie accordingly moved a
1000,0001. to enable the King to make
'4'de to the East India Company towards
Ilt'hitms advanced by' them for the ser-
country:
to a qiiest:on by Mr. Baring!, the
of the EXCHEQUER
stated, that,
to the chims of the Company to
they put iii other claim r: which he did
is duty at present to Imiil4 before the
,e, however, admitted, there wa:i no
lTerence between the Country and the

trTLE wished to know what were
It.in,:las thi-Company
LLOlt of the ItixcuEctuen stated
!le gri:Ntter pm arise on account of the
tl)e. expedition aiyllost Java anti ihe
4'll(k, were ordered by the Go-
it limbo.. There were other demands
`emnat, consisting of large fiItITIS car•
otiot froni time to time, by Committees
'I•C, of which the. Company complained.
th;it k might be necessary to
.I;.,nlent for further aid, on account of
I),y. if they were dilappointed of sealit-
u
sotsztx Wished to know in what way
ere to be given, whether by a grant O
y enabling the Company to burrow ?
" o L Loa of the EXCITEQ,UER said, it
/temptation to give them the permisOon
t,ent to'borrow money on their own ,:re-
Inecessary, to support their credit by
itee of the public.
4", in Was agrted to, and the Report
guniittee ordered to be brought up to-

lINIITTEE OF WAYS AND NIPAM,
"" then regorved itself into a Committee
;141'4:4348.
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II
Lna.of the EXCER said, that
,'"servations ',Vitli whirl) he should troit-
'ol)lntittee related to a transaction that
Mate that rnotnin„,,; A propos4tion had
47 Governuient to. a considerable body
1 4 ftold a certain amount of Excite.
t,'l'"ll:vidui the measure should receive
of Parliament. It Was proposed to
,tt,iien, that „,,der the authority of
1341 twelve millions of vittstanding Ex-
sheuld he immediateiy fancied in
,ii ttlt-qt srs that in which they had.
N.,lt'lii,'ortoly funded ; namely, the fiVe
lit vY Annuities. Isor every 1001. c).
soh.ierihers .to receive II 5d 10s.
. .
Aninlic •b I. Its. There appviired every
4.
. to-ve, that notwithstanding the
*hid,
tier tc .- the subscrili-rs would enjoy
tiatt,"lll. " ("I must (Aber oecnOuns of
e yet that it would 'be gene-

-144. tithi aceetittaile, rate of
interest the Public would Bare tá pay on this
.115/. 10s. would be,s/. 15s. 6d,, which added to
the. Sinking Fund 11. 3.t. Id. would. make a tottil
charge of 61. 188. 7d. for every 100/. of Exchequer
Bills funded. On comparing this charge with tit::
charge whiCh would have 'been incurred had the
fundhil, been agreed upon to take place the
3 per '''Cenfs, at the' present prices of the two'
Stdeks, .it would appear that the total charge
would be nearly equal. If therefore. it Was an
advantage (and it certainly Was so) to crcnte 5 I
per Cent. instead of 3 per Cent. Stack, that ad-
vantage
bad been obtained lvithout any addi-
tional charge to the Public. It waa true that last
year in the first instance only 108/: Sc. in the
Navy Five per Cents. had been 'offered for
every 1001. of ExChequer Bilis ; but the mea-
sure succeeded only partially—less than half
the amount required was funded—and it was lint
until a considerable addition was made to the pre-
mium that the whole sum, amounting. to above
twelve millions, was subscribed for. That, how-
ever, which he had mentioned was only a part of
the proposition which had been made, In addi-:
tint) to the proposal for funding twelve millions
of Exchequer Bills, it had been deemed advisable
by Government to give an option. to such of the
holders of Excheteier Bills as might think fit to
subscribe on additional sum of 50 per cent. in
money, for which they should receive debentures...
It appeared desirable to vary as much as possible,
the nature and securities of this description, and
to multiply them from year to year as occasion
might require, in Order to suit the different elassei
by whom they might he held. It was thought ad-
visable, therefore, to propose, for this additional
subscription, a security between that of the public
fends and that of a floating security (such as
Exchequer Bills), transferable from hand to"
hand. For this purpose it had been proposed
to issue debentures, bearing en interest of 5 per
Cent. capable of being funded at a certain pe-
riod, at a fixed rate of stock, transferable by en-
dorsement alone, and thus possessing a character
of greater solidity than that species of security
which was transferable from band to hand, acid
which was therefore subject to deterioration by loss
or robbery. It was proposed that the interest on
each of the debeatures should be plyable in April
and October, and that it should' be at the option
of the holders to have them paid either in money
or in stock on the Silt April, 1815, or si.h of
April afterwards during the war, or &Way on the
sth of April twelve months after, the ratification
of a treaty of peace. If stock were accepted, it
'should be exchang,..:l for these d.ebenterea, at the
following rate.,, erery 109/.,debenture,
1001. in the 5 per cent. Nevy Annuities, 1201. in
the 4 per cents, or 'l5O/. in The 3 per tents ; the
funding in any of those stocks at those rates
britiging an equal charge the public. By this
measure an advantage would .be gained by 'the
publi of obtaining st• i,atever .sum of Money might
• be subscribed, at a rate of total charge of Ns.
per cent., less than would be. created by the
funding of Exchetpier Hilts, and the loan Which it
would be necessary to contract would he very
mach contractiminobjeet under the present cir-
cuiristances df the l*;liestimportatice. 'White-We
public deri‘ed this benefit, the hold,.:rs of the de-
be n to res. would enjoy the advantages which he laid
already enumerated, of having at a fixed period an
option of stock or money, and in the mean while
of pots' ,sitig a security as readily transferable and
yet more stable in its nature than Exchequer Bills.
He was aware it might be said that in granting,
an option to the holdera of debentures to take
stock or Money, they would of cOurse take that
which at the period would be most against the
Public. But on a fair consideration of the sub-
ject, he thought that this and other disadvantages
-would be 'fully compensated by the advantages
Which the Public would derive Eton, the pi tn.—
In the first place, if the stock
.were preferred,
there was no reason to suppose that at the
period contemplated the funding would be
more disadvantageous to the Public than at the
present moment. He bad. already stated his in-
tention to propose a grant to the Commissioners
for the reduction of the National Debt of one
per cent. op all Exchequer Bills outstanding. He
also proposed• en additioi of one per cent. on the
debentures as Sinking. Fund, that they might ue
redeemed at the same Reriod. He was not sure
that be had explained the nature of these secu-
rities sufficiently to Gentlemen who were not so
conversant with such matters, as thoie witl whom
he had conversed it) the Morning, but he had
given au outline of their character, and he should
he happy to afford any further information re-
spec dog them .that might be required. The
H alumni; of the charge that would he brought
on the Public, if the whole should he. accepted,
would be 300,0001. consisting of .five per cent'.
interest, and, one per cent. Sinking Fund.----He
would now proceed, .in conformity to his no-
tice, to submit to 'the consideration of the Com-
mittee, the taxes which would he necessary in or-
, der to make that provision for the. Sinking Fund
which was involved in the Bill in pogress through
the House, provided it passed into a laW. If, on
the other hand, Parliament iould not think it ad-
visable to give the 1301 their sanction, at least lie
would not be liable to proacli for having ne- •
glected to provide supplies which might be appli-
cable to defray the charge. and Sinking Fund of .
Exchequer Bills outstanding. Reverting to the
financial occurrences of 1802, he observed, that,
although the. Noble Lord then at the head of the,
Treasury (Lord Sitimouth) did not provide t Sink-
ing Fend :'or suth funded in that year, yet the
taxes inie •sed to defray the interest and charges
of that sum had exceeded by four or five millions
the estimate. This ex7eas of produce which went
to the Consolidated Fund, ‘be (Mr. Varisittart)
aught have been justified in applying to the ser-
vices of• the current year; butt it was so import-
.
ant to maintain the Consolidated Fund, that it
peat* to him to be very inexpedient to take such
a step, amid to be far better, however inconveni-
ent in other iespecta, to add to the existing taxa-
tion. jr
,addition to the 870,000/, which in the
deeelopement of his financial plan he had shown
to hue necessary to supply the drain on the Sinking
Fund the Committee would recollect, that in
providing the supplies for the last year, there was
one proposit:on—the Auction Duty---which he
htid calculated at 1el.),0001. and which having

iifiridetiOdi it bettitiie nthiesiary *for leitti to step;
ply. the eoeseenent, deficiency in the Consolidated
-Field. The total Nam, therefore, that.it leeeatne
necessary to raise by permanent taxes, .Was near-,
ly a minim' of intently, viz. 870,000 i, to be' applied ,
to the Sinking Fund, and 100,0001; the defi-
e'ieticy occasioned by the abaudonment lteit year
of the Auction Doty. For the purpose el preeid-
ing the lest naeationed sum, it was his Intention
to propose to the. Committee, an additional
duty. on tobacco equal to that imposed 'on' it
last year, which duty -he would esti:mite. .at
100,0001. although probably it voithl pt.:niece
more. Lie was not aware that this new tax-
would occasitra any material, inconeenienee;
or at least he was persuaded that it would
occasion as little ineonvenieoce that could be. de-
vised.. With
,regard to the greatey sim of eight:
hundred and sevent thoesan ds, the" 4;m:ilea
tax that be meant to. propose to meet it, was an in-
creeee of the .Custom duties. He thought this
would be infinitely preferable to any atigmenta,
tion of the assessed taxes, or of, the stanap.
duties, which had lately been .so. ranch in-,
creased. As the most Convenient . mode, he
proposed to rnsise the sum of Bor 900,0001. by
a general increase of those ditties, with cer-
tain exceptions. These exceptions were the du-
ties on tea, sugar, wine, raw silk, and cotton
wool. On the other • articles which 'mid custom
duties he proposed an increase of 25 per cent. No,
such general augmentation bad, occurred since
1804, and only one partial and small, increase its
1803. Under the existiu cirentustaeces this in-
crease would be emeparatively little felt. For
the country had, until recently, been so excluded
from foreign retitle, that, until lately, all foreign
m tides had come to our markets, what with the
difficulty of transmission, the charge of freights,
exc. under an augmentation of expense, greatly
exceeding the proposed rate of duty. Many cir-
euntstances had, however; recently combined to
render those articles at the present moment cheap-
er to the consumer, even with the increaeed tax, ,
theta they Were last year without it. He would
estimate the =emit of this increase of the Gus- .
tom dutiei, at Item 554 to 900,0001. In addi
tion to this augmentation of the Custom duties,
he Meant to propose a slight augmentation of the
Ekeise in a particular branch of it. He proposed
that this should take piece oo French wines—an
article of mere lUxury, entirely confined tre the
higher orders, mid if checked in the importetion,
or wholly shut Out, be should consider it to he a
nationel advatitage.---Ou French wines, he pro-
posed to lay `an additional excise duty of, 13d. a
bottle, which would be about 18d. to the con-
sumer ; a tax that could not be considered very
burdensome to the country. The predi"iee lie esti-
mated at 30,000/. ; no very important same and
one indeed which it would hardly he worthewhile
'so to raise, were pot the subject itscif one so pro-
per for taxation, that even were it likely to pro-
duce less, or were. the consumption to be so di-
minished as to lessen the existing predece ef the
duty upon it, he Should still feel it to he his doty
to wake his present propoeiti6e. The estimated
• produce, therefore, of the permanent taxes-would
he, 850,000/. • (O thtegenceal increase in the
consolidated ditties of cast ems, 100,0001. from
the duty on tobacco, and 30,000/. from the duty
on French wince, making in the whole a sum
somewhat sheet of a million, to answer two ob-
jects—to the supple- of the Sinking Fluid, mid to
make good the defalcation occasioned by the re-
linquishment last year of the Auction Dety. And
here he would observe, . that although he had
thought prover thus to replace the proposed Atte-
.tion Duty, he hed by no moire lost, sight of it.
He did nut think it would be satisfactory to take
in for the purpose of contributing to the imme-
diate supply hut he nevemd to himself the
li-
ber•ty of proposing means to prevent fraud, end
to regulate tln deny, it he should thereaftertind it
necessere to do so. Those which he mention-
ed were. permanent taxes. ;I-le should next pro-,
pose to lay some further taxes under the heed of -ear
taxes, for the general purpose o!. g the Le.p-
plies for the yen; and for -the part'cular.ohject of
providing for the one per cent. Sinl.± Fund. .;t1
Exchequer Bills ontseenling cin the ;id; of Janu-
ary of eaf h rear, to Le granted to the Comm:i-
sioners for reduction of the National
These war teaest to thee, under the hen?
of-imnorts and exports. list that heeshou d
rOpese would he a gee inerease of duty on
the importation of all . -:S and me:chandise the
inantifenture of the French .Empire, anti at all
countries depenee e. on France. It 't erne that
trade licenses to France and her depeudencies were
not now granite(' by .Goeerelietet, but ;twits obvi-
ous that ciremnstanees •t reader it politic to,
renew theta ; and Ave undoubted right to,
retaliate on the enemy all the oppression in which
he had persevered luguinst , our 'counnerce.
.proposed to double the war duty on such articles.
Those war. duties were at present equal to one,
third of the consolidated duties. fle proposed to
add tO them to the amount of the other two-'
thirds, tints making the whole of the duties in
war double the duties in .peace on French goods .
It was extremely difficult to. estimate the probable
produce of This increase: If he tank' the average
of the' last. three years, he would_say that it might
amount to 200,000/. Bome articles were is
prohibited, of others, the difficulty of importation
was great; but by taking the various articles, and
allowing one as it were to insure the other, he was
confident the produce would not fall short of that
which he had just stated. With respect to the
exports, the trade about to open, would; in all
probability-, be so great, that no material ineone
venie»ee could,'in his opin;on, arise front adding
a half per .cent. to the proem export dutiee. In
peace, such a proposition would be
not so at the present moment. lie calculated that
it might produce about 150,000/. ; and on this
breech of increased revenue he thought he might
coefideptly rely. Cllr. Baring here, reverting to
the increased import derlet, asked the Right Hoe.
Gentleman to what countries they were to be ap-
plieahle ?), Certainly the increased import duties.
would he an goads coining from all countries de
pendent, On France.. It would give hint ereat
pleasure to see those ditties lessened by the di-
minution of the wither of those 'countries.—
Wear hear !)----They were not to attach to the
export of any country in amity with his Majesty ;
ande.he declaration of that amity would' itutuedi-

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