The Sun.
London, England, 1813-12-10 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The Order of the Day fur tlae third readin, of the East
India Duty Bill was read.
Mr. FAWCETT tatted that there were no less than thirty
articles w,biell it would he necessary to judge of an valorem.
under thi. Act, and vutt't c(!iutt) U. variety of details to slim
the diltica.tv tn. ()sing their realvalur.
The eti.I:XCEI.I,OII, of the EXCHEQUER that
ttrury protectioi, would he given to the Wyst
With regard to another claqse which had been coMplained
of ai a '!teverc'one, that by which a ship • was forfeited, it it
carried none than a•certain tin:unity nt tea, he had no doubt.
that if it were-found too strict in pravtice, Parliament would
he waling to relax its severity.
A Message front the Lords agreeing to the Insolvent Debtors
Till as amended by the Commons.
The CHANCELLOR' of the EXCHEQUER moved I.) in-
sert a clause in the East India Duty Bill, that any person
stripping goods under the Act should mark them with tars
tome, anti bend an-account. in writing to the Commissioners
of Exviie.—Agreed to. The Hill then passed.
.'!'tae Eilq India shio BiU was„,read a third time and passed.
'rhe Portsmouth Duck Hill was read a 'ld time. •
WILD FOWL. •

'Mr. HARVEY moved for leave to bring in A 13ill for the
better Preservation of Wild Fowl, such as wild dtiek, tea!,
wid6eaus,&c. The Acts of Aline anti George U. on this sub-
ject coutt.itt:d no provision against. the destruction of wild
fowl ,whit!li wt•re the property of individuals, firing at'
I and he vas destrOu, of propaAitig a penalty fur this of-
wnen.coetntitted within a curtain.distauce of a decoy,
by persons not entitled to do so. Leave woos given, the 11)11
was brought in, read a first time, and ordered to be read a
id time on the 3tl of March.
The Exchequer Bills 13111 was read a •24 time.—Counnittee
to,u3orrow.
. FRENCH WINES. •

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•
The CHANCELLOIL of the EXCHECILIF.B. obtained leave
to bring in a Bill to remova all doubts 1 especting Drawbacks
on the Exportation of Picricli Wines.
-New Street Bill : Conunitt ee order to-inorrou'.

EAST INDIA CIRCUITOUS TRADE.
Lord CASTLEREAGH 1110nd the third reading o:
the Circuitous Trade Bill.

GitANT observed, that lie considered the
measure before the House as militating against

till! which had always 'hitherto been deemed a
•
principle of commercialpolicy, namely an anxious •
care that the trade of the mother country should
not stiller for the purpose of benefiting the trade
of her dependencies. lie had', indeed, though in-
,
effectually, urged this argtiment against the original
proposition for opening the troth:to I tuba. The pro-
posed measure would let down our inicient system .
cif commeicial policy still further by opening it
direct, intercourse •through this country between
India and North...).4.o.ojUth America. The ef-
fect must necessarily be to ditninibh the 'direct
trade between India and .the mother country, and
to extend the trade between India anti foreign
countries. It was true, that it was propos'ed by
the present fill,, that ships of private traders should
clear out in the first instance ,for India ; but they
might subserviently go on in the proseention of a
circuitous trade to anv extent. It had been said
that the nieaure would benefit our manufactures,
For *part, he did 'not imagine !.hitt.
.would be
the case ; he ifid not apprehend that vessels going
to No: di and South America would be ,able to dis-
pose Of cargoes from England. Under these cir-
cumstances, ships might,occasionally be obliged tti
go from England in ballast, and he obliged to take
out specie, oremploy an East Indian capital forthe
purcluise of a cargo. Ile did not see what there
would be to prevent the natives of South America
l'rom settling in this country, the more easily'to
carry on an advantageous trade with India. He
objected to many of the posts mentioned in the
and particularly to the Islands of Cape Verd,
the Canaries, and Madeira, which would serve as
dcptits Alias which Europe would be guppliesl, By
plitsuing a Similar policy in former times the Ame-
rican Colonies had been enabled Jo shake oif their
dependence.on us. .In the long-run something of
the saute kind might happen to our India
potsessions, if we thus rendered them nine inde
pendent of the mother coiitry,;The only foreigners
who at present were allowed to carry on trade in
India (except. the Portuguese), were Americans.
These, however, by no means enjoyed all the ad-
vantages
which it haul been aleged they possessed.
Ihey were restr:eted froni.any direct trade, -es-.
erase for their home 'consumption. With repect
to the Portuguete, they stood us differnt foot-
jug: They had eshiblishments of their owl). and
by treaty were entitled to the privilegi!s which
they possessed. Nor (lid they
,seud from their
principal settlement, Gra, any grejt on:o.ity of •
coninimritiFs, either to America or to Europe.—
With respect to the other European nations who
bad, or who might have settlements in In—
dia, it should be remembered that time original
grant of the native Sovereigns was to those
nations nylv and distinctively. To 14'rance, .
for instance, saCh and such SettlementE; but
Without permis,ion. for any other litirEpci:u tlag,
to he hoisted in those settlements. With a view
to this consideration, he conceived that by acl-
,bering to the ancient system, the trade,mi;ght in
future be regulated in a manner that would he
highly beneficial. Great. misunderstanding 'had
pi evaded on the subject of the advantages enjoyed
by foreign nations in their trade with India, All
the advantages which Ame.ricit had gained, in that
respect, resulted from her neutral character ; and
in the event of peace, as Anterica-wbuld
possess tiait character, she would be, deprived of
those advantages.
Lord CASMKtiAOI.; flattered hinitelf that he had

o narvovi, et! the Opertitioll o,; tilt! 14i11, that it WOUlii
not oct-,Asion any" very serious difference of
' laid before stated,' that at some ftiture
t hoe a tubre extendetibmeasure might be expedient,

hut lie had abstrilt,erl.froin iron, eting nnv_stielt M
present, conceiving that it would hardly he candid,
in the present state of the Session, to push any
thing to whidlt very material objections might
exist on any side. If it were thought that the
islands in the Atlantic alitided to by the lion..
rector, NU. the Cape de Vertl.lslio.ds, the Cana-
ries, And Madeira, were likely to afford a foreign
deI:CA that tvould break in On the circuitous trade,
he saw no objection to take them out of the Bill
but really as to the rest of the measure, he did not
see how.it could be objectvd to, unless the coin-
bat of last Sea4ion were to be one Wed, mid un-
less the faith of Parliament were to be violated,'
and the hopes of those to ‘vhom that faith was
pledged were to he 'disappointed. 'The Hon. Di-
rector had argued the question as. if our posses-
sions in India were a 'colony. They were never so
considered. They had never been considered as a
colony from which foreigners,were excluded ;.
on the contrary, great liberality had been eXercisel
in that respect, Then us to tha.general policy and
the injury which this country might sustain from the
fructification of the commerce of British sitNeets
abroad, or front the etitployment of the capital of
foreigners at 110111 C, he confessed that he could
never think it an injury to the country that a Bri*-
• !fish merchant should extend his commercial at-
fairs in foreign countries, or that a foreign stet 7
chant, by carrying oil continent". in England;
should at once serve himself and benefit -:the em-
pire. This Was.it s:ibject ought to be view,-
ed with a liberal "feeling ; and so far was lie from
being alarmed at the t wt. cases suggested by the
. Hon. Director, that he thought sound.commercial
'policy demanded the encouragement
must look at time CiliCstloll, not itS the 1-1011,
'Director looked at it, in a corporate, but in
a national vien% Parliament, in the act of giving
to. the East India Company the exclasiee trade ru
China, had.declared to them that they inustshare,
thdremainder of their commerce with the\other
subjects of the land. Now, utiles.; the private
British Merchant had the commou fteilities •riven
him for construi.:ting- hi; voy:4;x, amt cooling to
an alVantageott,nmket, his way home, he
would not start f:iirly,cs itl, his competitors. lie
reprobated all attempts at obtaining undue advan-
tages in'eommereial matters. It was the general
interest of commerce that CollllllolTial men should
stand on .equal grounds, and when'.one party at-
tempted to injure another, the wound Was usual-
ly mutual. Lfer the English merchant prosecute
his speculations to America, if they were favour-
able to him, and if they were not sit, lie %Vold&
abstain of his own accord.. tie repeated, that
he had already narrowed. the Bill (and he would.
still further narrow it, by striking Out t!.e Atlan-
tic Islands), in order to prevent tiny serioni. dis-
enssion. And he suggested the expediency of
postponing the debate on the larger question to a
future period ; and of concurring not to fight by
anticipation:_that battle, which some timeor other
would probably be' fought on the ,subject.
Mr. GRANT, in explanation, denied that he bad
considered the subject its cc corporate question.
lie had tumid: red it as it national question, as
any Member wholly unconnected with the East
India Company might have done.
Mr. R. ToortsrroN expressed the satisfaction
which he felt, and which he was sure the India,
Company would feel, at the Noble Lord's having
consented to except the Islands from ticC Dm,
appreheoding,.as they did, that those Islands would
otherwise form a depict whence to supply Eug-
land at present, and foreign Europe at a
.future
period. He confessed, however, that he felt some
alarm at the expressions which had dropped from
the Noble Lord, with tweet to that which it
'Might. be necessary to do at a future tiine.
Ile
trusted that the time which seemed to be alluded
to by the Noble Lord would never come.
Mr. FzNi.Av..arl,oe in favour of the Bill, and
of an extension of its objects. Ile denied that the
advantage which Americao commerce had enjoyed
in 111(1111, EC:inked front the nenthil character of
America. 1.11,1 t enjbOlinent wa3 at the greatest
height at tie' period when Frame shut the ports
ofd the Cotainclit to the produce of Britain and
her depentlencies, whether they were brought
iii
British or American betttoms, Satisfied Ili he was
with the Bill before the Hon=e, he was 11,rstitided
that at more extensive measure would be ultimate-

ly necessary.
Roarsisort re-stated several at the argntnerts
• urged. by hi., Hop. Friend (Mr. Grant), though
he admitte;i tliat the expulsion .of the Islands from
the Bill would rentore. touch of his objection to
it. lie condemned, hi)Wever, the privilege which
private vessels were to enjoy of catrying OH the
coasting trade ii IndiA.
Ald&rlH4l :fix KINS characterised the B:11 as
a toast beneficial measure, and applauded the li
beral sentiments- Of the Noble Lord on commer-
cial matters.
Alter u fcw words front Mr. FAwcv.i'T and Mr.
1.0LF,:,,..:the Bill went lbeougli the Committee (in
which the clause respecting the Islands at Cope de
Vert!, the Canaries, and Madeira, was expunge(l),
and the Report 'was ordered., to be receivrii to
-
-morrow:
'The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought
up a Bill to remove the doubts respecting the pay-
ment of the drawbacks on the exportation of
French Wineo. Read a first.-tinie,,and ordered to
be read a second time to-mOrrow.
The East India judicature Lists were referred
to a c.lounnittec to examine and report thercon.-:--
Adj uu rued.

The alitrming increase of .robberies upon the
river 'Thames, connnitteti in the very heart of the
metrbpolii by gangs of fresh-water -pirates, who
have lately augmented their number', calls for the
immediate interference of the police, and the
adoption'of mit:name tueasnres to counttraetthe
evil, Not a night passel w;ithout some: depreda-
tion or other. ; the boats are seen 'rowing about,
and no one interferes to prevent them:
Monday evening, in Chester-place, Neskingtim,.
ns .lash.' Saving, draymart to Messrs- LtErrow,
of Wandsworth, Was returning home front town,
whilst riding the leading horse he..tuddettly smack-
ed his whip, which caused. the. horse to-start,
threw him off, and hurt the shine of his back, the
wheel grazed .one side at his head, and tore Lis
i(gitatter.past ten
.t;ar almost off. lie lingered till
on Wednesday evening, and died.

LAW INTELLIGINCF,.

COURT OF CIL\NCERY, REC. 9.

PICTURE DLALINO.---TURNER V. BE. ZLY.

he plaintiff, Sir,Gregory• Page Turner, having
ing a desire to be considered as, a connoisseur in,
palming', had purchased .several pictures, called.
(siorgioni's, &c. from the defendant, who was
stated to he a clergyman, and had given bills fur
the amount: Being afterwards, however, dissa-
tisfied with his bargain, he refused to pay the bills,
upon which, an 'action was broughtfor the amount.,
The plaint4l in. equity filed his bill for an injune-.
Lion to stay proceedings in.the action, which was
granted. N demurrer was tiled, which came on
to he heard before the Vice-Chancellor in June or
Lily last, hunt was over-ruled. -
'fhe plaintiff now applied, by motion, for leave.
to amend his- hill without prejudice to the injunc-
tion. 'Die ground stated was, that the defendant
in equity (Bcazly) was a clergyman, and ought
not to be a dealer in pictures; 2dly, that he had
sold the pictures to the plaintiff at about double
the price at which lie had purchased them a short
time before ; and, 31y, that he had entered into
at contrivance with two others to -defraud the
plaintiff in the sale of these .pictures; the object
was stated to he to amend -the bill, to .get the an-
swers of the two persons-in question. •
)01111 CnANcELLoa stated, that the .only
allega`t ion on the merits was, that the nt-
in had sold these picttires at a great profit ;
a thing that was commonly done by persimti of the
greatest integrity. He never knew, in toe prac-
tice of the Court, an am); icat ion of this kind corn-
-plied with, before the discussion on the merits ;
anti, therefore, • felt himself. bound to refuse'the'
motion, and it wus refused accordingly:

COURT OF KING'S BENcti, me. 9.

AI.I.DRIDOE V. HILL.

The plaintiff in this case had been Secretary to
Admiral Douglas,; the tietennant hail been Captain.
of his Alajesty'.s ship the Orpheus, and the action
was brought by the plaintiff to recover front the
defendant a sum of about 601. for the trouble he
had had in obtaining for Captain. Hill, front the
Treasury, .a sum of money on account of the
ft eight of ,some Specie, conveyed by him in the
year IKOS. It appeared,' that previous. to 18()1,
tie Captains of all his Majesty's vessels had one
per cent, on all the specie they conveyed. About
that period that allowance. was taken.away, and
there was no allowance in the year ISOS, when
defendant conveyed the 'specie iti question.
specie, amounting to 330,0001. was to be delivered
to Messrs. Thornton; of Ilauthut4.i. When C ap-
tain Hill came off the mouth of She Elbe, he found
the Orpheus drew too much water;. and the spe-
cie was in tact delivered to .11.1..:ssrs. Thornton lid
Co. by Captain WJliams, of the .Alert, who got
a receipt from them.

Admiral Douglas proved that in nit month Of
March, 1807, a printed order came down to Yar-
mouth, at which place he wits Port Admiral-,.al-
lowing officers ten per cent. as the freight of
speck ; (bar on the dirty it arrived, he, the
tilt', defendant, and several others, dined together,
b.c believed at Lord lalkiand's. The conversa-
tion tnr,,ed upon the order that had just arrived :
the defendant snit - it vrivi
before the year 1805, *as he had that year.convey-
ed a large quantity of. specie.. Plaintd on hearing
the circumstances sIIA he thought it very likely,
that on- a roper application. to the Treasury the
defendant would rut:cite sonic compensati 4.i. The
defendant said he should be very glad ilth6 plain-
tiff would undertake the business, and he would
willingly alion; hint a Jecompenoe f(4 his trouble.
The reanmeration wits fixed to be five per cent. ;:
but the witness could not tell who first mentioned
Eve pct cent. . _ . _ _ _

Ca.:n*6ll.l%7illiams the plaintiff had
got the receipt from him, without which nothing
couhi done ; that plaintiff handed the' receipt
to Messr6. 1-lalford and Cooke, nary agents, on
the behalf of Captain Hill, as Noon as Captain
hill had agreed that witness's claim for u share
should be reit:erect to naval oflicerS. Witness af-
terwards reccived about 560/. lie gave plaintiff
13 guineas for his trouble,-beeanse he thought hint
entitled to it, although he had made no agreeffient
with hilo.

LOIA ELLF.IIOROUGIT asked, if it was intended
to prnve, tluit. no such promise aS hadbeen stated
by Admiral Douglas bad been made by the de-
fendant ? • •

The ATTORNEY GENERAL answered, that: there
were no witnesses to disprove it.
Ilis Lordship said, rive was no doubt but
thcrewas a retainer and some !,:ervicei perl4.4cungt ;
and although the plaintiff might not be'intitled to
ns ample ft compensation as if he, instead at
ford and Cooke., had etiMpleted the husitutis ti.llll
received the money, yet it ‘‘ould be.a question
for the .Jury to say to what compensation we was
entitled.
The damages were referred.to Mr. PAIM, 111-1;0
immediately awarded 3Ol;