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London, England, 1825-06-01 00:00:00

LICENSING MA GISTRA TES:

Sir F. BURDETT presented a petition froth Inhabitants'
of Chichester,"coniplaining of the• conduct of the Licensiog.
Magistrates of Chichester,. in refusing him a lieente. • •
Mr. POI- NTZ said that he knew the Alagistrates, and-three
more honourable men did not exist. They had acted-from im—
partial...l-natives. Still he was 'surprised that -tie applicatiori,of
the petitioner. ta- the Maristrateg was refused, 8.4 it was signed:
by 4e9 'of the most respectable inhabitanti of Chichester:: • He
could' • not understand why the licence was -refused.' The li-;
cenee had beervretlised at two different Periods. The licensing-
system 'otight to be altered.
- Mi. HUME said some alteration in the Licensing Laws.
ought to be mado. fie'
had presented similar petition from
a
the stone individual last Session. The' Licensing Magistrates
of Chichester had acted very extraordinarily in-- the manner
they had granted' and refused licenses. The practice of biiwer's
in confining -victuallers 'to Use their beer aßrale was Ms° very'
Eviery allegation in the petition was
Mr. MABERLY reprobated the licensing. system, and
mentioned an instance of its excessive severity: 'Be call=
ed the attention of the Right Ilonourable,Gentleman oppoiite-
to-it.
3.fr. HUSK ISSON said the -licensing of .public.homes wan
one of police; and not of free trade. The petitioner did at pre-'
sent sell bier on his own premises to-all who 'chost to inty-froin
hint' There were already more publie-houtelin Chichester than
so small a town reqUired. Thb number ought- to be'dieninished.
—Ordered to be printed; • .
3lr. HUME •:gave notice of 'a motion; on'the l6throf June.,
for-Reviving the Committee on the Church' Ektablishnient
of Ireland.
DELAYS IN THE COURT OF. CHANCERY. •
J: WIL-MANS began by .ollservig.,.
g thaVit,was rer.:
thinly in his power to have brought forward • some e
epe& :trio.:
tion'On-itiis subject, "d!perbilps hctnight tici:sce 41euhittelv but. •

. „,
..it , would— T:dtbe 'notirthp'wholi
that the time hal asszd when theCoL:ffn,r_sliitiollfg-41S,,i;447tit-
extimine itientatter'•o4-it:
kind, either, 'Parti al., Or cO ii 1(.04,11,1hrel„
very little from that IConainiSsiort; bt'i'lttett.„).2e2l4,pParitTiW
in the ;opinion, of."Bit:ice; , that -"SeriOi:'s re riilygos:
fo,carry into exe;c:)tion their
.prcs-,ccti t'Le • .
of the abuses L refornied." lie had all
value of the Conunittc4 not t:Jitt he itzipt.tt.O. Abe, i;141!..:4.0:5,i.
Gentleman 0: Peel,),any thing befaca.afait:P?,iikatt.:„idtosi
manceuvre. If he (11Ir Lpiltia:ny} w.:re on
sessed the Same skill, actUated by the sante imitives,,Or,-Air;
:3-4,-
' with the:'tie ixtunterfanCe—trt laugh)--.be'sltuiti.fcs,t.er2
bakkly.haye-purstteitilie -Seine course.
.Thi.tletiktii4t.F."4ling'..
ever which hati:elipsed;,-gave rise' to serious
OpportuntyWad:been reorded to allow ...he systent
as the plfrase.was, and to exhihit itself in titil frftergr-4441,,'
which-would be of gre, vet. -I,enett in the
latelv,heArd.„ thotigh rtould not. vuz.ch. for the exitijittlik.44l:7
that there *ere now
.the Court Of Gliancerx tc.r
yond 4I rause% and appeals. 111i:bout recitionir.gthd Er!' ),;44.1.-f:'
judgments were to be.giyen, and. petitions and tr,OttO4S, tithe
also I,`L(}!), `t matters and th;ngs," including nausea
disposed axed undecided: ..By returns front the
,yearlaro.o
1823, it appeared that the average rapidity with wfitcl4.tr.e§-0-,
causes were disposed of was about ten ri) each rear. 'l'trtas<ocii
leave the hiridinost.of the, causes to pe d iwosed of abOut
. years herd. Before long tbo,Practiee of this 4:cur: Wi.41440z.:
so. well known, that the -Volee.,.lli!fd that of thelleitte.,
would be perfecey rigi:t a:td eon; pe.tent to institute; afar 14T,!..;_,..
serious 'inquiry than.,that left to the Commissioners.
Tiip.y.
years now . seemed 'to' be tiie aiter:ige duration- of a.
10.090.!. the amount of expenee incurred-init. Pertapt o6ne r=;:!
suit of the Gortv'riptlon wcolid be. to fix the ycars at twtp',/ -
nine, scrod the expenca at 9,9991. This.would bend Sctr,.; -
thing en ara.w is requisite., so-A:au:big WeLld a27:ctF,11.-Of
was convinced, when Le recollected the piir.cinle Whiela
jurisdiction -of that Court was ibutided.- lf,
.Lowever, 11?
pressing necessity of the ease-sho'tild be U-uttle appsr,nt to: v.,
rest of the 7.41 id, they wotild;st last tiii4 it t6.1.,e a pr.:-dent
caution .to enter upt.n toe wori: of reictrmatton, /1• the exisculg,
system had been' managed, is it was assert". coosumir..atu
wisdom, it was feetaitilp, tithe to -let folly try what shz:
do. -The origin and the.continueneeof this; jurisdiCtioti, frotzi
time to • Ortie depended upon. nothing hut the conscience. of: a
Lord Chancellor, and the holders or that office having tiostly:
been. Lawyers arid Priests,. he must satthat the system iestv's.:
but upon a sandy and a seedy foittitlatiop. t:;,:ir•?
at no distant :thrie,., suCh a jurisdiction mast ba found -worthi
the enquiry arid c.onaideration of the people :of Zigland2-.-the
" thinking people," 83 Cobbett. ,so ironically called theta.
Before the enquiry of men who:thought at alka system restir.Lt-
upon. such a- foundation,. must at no-grcar distance of time give
way to something- wiach, defined, ar.d :pain te,f, dawli
the principles of equity, instead of leaVing thern to be qt
itermined by the conscience of a, Lord cyttucallo:. There 'was
m another evorous evil, arising out 9f the
jurisdiction, and whith.was.to.be fond in the. ;nciitature,9f :
other country. &suitor was, allowed- to proceed by the eoitt-
mon law- to a certain extent, where, having incurred . expeneti.
loss of tin;;, and anxiety of mind, he ibun.! I,lmselt rentove.l
into another Court, and instead of Trial: by .Yary,
hander} over
obtain
t n antobtelvi. rig
Court, k;u s
was SOMitted to the worstkl - tine of , trial that ever in . The suitor may &ITU hive pursued ail the legal
men',upto
'awnlid4-rteltehn be - oi
e was ab
si-ve than the first, and where all the de ass and 1-exstiohr, rrs
the law were, by comparison. nothing: The dOUrs of eT.itty
would-be open to receive, and when he entered '
I. there he was enclosed, perlutps never to
_escape. Ile said-jn r.
haps never to escape, for in this Court the suitors someto,.',
even suffered death. lie did not,meati that execution v,i1.10110.

upon them with a rope, ,but there were numerous cases in*
they suffered death by anxiety of mind ,or stariation: The
topic to which he should call the attention_ of the liotise.
. •
that. of the. transfer Of. properly. in this petit and weeithe.
"enlightened,.country7 under the, present syst nil of equal.
If a man went to buya horse he Lid the means of
whether he WftS sound or unsound ; and in most contracts siitc.ai
were made between intli3iduals,; the mane of the :arl,t;l'es
bought andnd soldwa! ascertained and, laic wn.: Butietikis
purchased one hundred thousand pounds worth of hind;
impossible for him to know whether r had il4. ~,yieltcee
100,000 farthings for his money. Here he riot!'''NelVde
his own profession, for ninety,nine out of a hundred of tf;irte,
or a greater proportion than that must be ignorant of the
This was a state of things . existing .among art eelighiteed. and
" deeply thinking people," :Ile now came, to the petitreris
which he had to present to .the With the, cases-he
had nothing to do.' It seas not row as formerly When 'er-
deavotired to shoe the necessity.of inquiring into thht subject
and produced cases of his own for which he held, liiineelf le-
sponsible. These were the case.; stated, by the 1-,tiitiointuersty,"uaxrala
which..Aiemb
Member
0
t. presentedtbatki ounis ie. en the
firstdpieseti
tlin,Larng e..wea of
s:triiti
ek
Harman (as we understood) late one Of the Churchwardena of
the parish of St. itlary,NeWington, -in the 'county of;-Surrey.
The petition stated that in the year Ifirel a grant v.as. tuade.by
the Lord of the '.Nlitnor of Walworth of apiece of land, the rents
and profits of which were to he appropriated- to -4 cheritye.
disputearosc as to whether the centre:lW of these funds *ea vested
in the Churchwardens and Overseers, or in certain. Trustees,.
August, 1820, the matter was placed in Chancery, and, :the
petition went on to state the various proceedings that had he.en
had upon it. It shewed that the taxed casts of one party. atone
amouetedto 83/. 18s. 6d. after the hearing.;, that fertv-tire at,•
tentlances were charged by the Solicitor, and stated. that.the
business was net yet settled.. This might, be Vvry.well for: he
lawyers, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman continued, bit, the-
petitioners and the -people'of England ceuld note undriarel
why a charity like this was to be suspended for fire years,.'aur.-
ing which time trine out of the forty persons whoit supported
had died, and their places could not be filled. They considered
it to be a grievance, and prayed that the .Heise Commons
of England would relieve them from the 4.la!dses and. deln”
of the Court of Chancery.—The next petition iy4s! frotaWne
Liam, Honey wood Yates, who stated that high k;nd eplti!Mns
had been declared in favour of his claim lergeqstaten:nr:the
counties of :Worcester end. Gloucester, and whit:ll'lle. IVAEOIL.
able to recover; because he had, not the nigansof coMmencing
suits in Chancery. The next Petition camo.frOni an individual
of the Element Gornno (as well, *ewe ,coult:l,l4ear) yrho,itated
' that .under the will of the late Duke of QtiePTllktlklYY4:ke'
an annuitant for the surn.ef 2001. a year; ,andthar for , Seven
years, altough there were large ,and ample -fa.ids irethe C,ourt
paidhy, did not receive one, fartheinge. I-legyei then
one-fourth of the arrears, detr.to hints.and tliree years
Again elapsed! , before he received • any thing,, more. There
I was now due to, him a balancesor 1,38 g
,aithekegli:thfunds
of the estate were almost; Inexhaustible. The :1101,t.letition
was from :Mr. Gourley, who stated that ht had prcriaisly
stated his casein two petitions to. tae,, Ileute,
as now, he, attributed the cause of hie ruin to the delays
of the Court :of Chancery. Another petitioner 'lets joSeph
Heathcote, who was imprisoned in the fleet t'or is emitctopt of
the Court, in not answering certain interrogateriOe Of ti-is Court
within -the- time:specified. The petitioner, was upwards amt .11
years of sge, and had now :beet, cenfined,' two 'yeses. .atd. five
tponths, during the-early part of which confinetnent ice " was
afflicted- with derange..ment of -mind, aptl.,ramt liave :sutrered
the-most 'extreme privations, . but for : theehurnanity :of Mr.
Brownethe IllarShal. The contempt beeft7,, cornin4tsal
• through-ignorance, and the fees attend/el; upon ii-were,ore
than: the!petitioner could pay, and 'until theywere'clia4. .m
14ged
the contempt was not cleared, The tact nankin TelatiO to the
property of the Tunbridge 'School, arnoontingewhetween; four
and five thousand a years and which had heerein.the Cenri.'Of
Chancery for seven years. Thu*.one generation-of lioys
been defrauded of the advantages which, of .rightelcinged to
them, as growing out of this property" lig ithese•petitiaiers
came before the Rouge of Commons to -ask thorn and the pec-
pie of England for a remedy:. The, question ;wasriot befere
them for the first time, although:the Right.lfOn. Citend,ernen op-
-visite had put- it on one side by a-roareetivre. : Thirreueetipzi :Was
got into Chancery, and it was for the Houretbiostricatoit: It
muse be in that House that: the remedy should,•ba -found; or
mo.where. He wished to speak' witlea o' tlistfwt.t •oribet,:re-
spestable persons w hocomposed! the Conanaisaronelostat was in.
:vain to look !to, that-quarter for relief., it WI& . tell
him of `lawyers reforming th efos'elves.—.l Hear/ heas.,l}:-.li was
in vain to talk of Court* of Justice sitting,upossltheutelvos, and
floggihgthemselves;like Sancta); onto f .their orta-jutistrie;loo,
Thettturie wag Tome whkn. the, questiou,rutts_tbs Anct,.and f.O
would say thee it was incumbent, Upen theolftneetoe;liove of
no further delay. .Did he -attempt to be eo,arnigsitt;,9o-foo).ialt,
as, to . point out a remedy, for anr‘evil•ol- siushecoxoplicated
magnitude? Surely not; bat this he would ,sapuit.watllt-Mat-
ter etvhich' conterned.4all.his..hlajestrok)dinisterst and not. the
'one in'partieular who watott \the head-,ortlfB,r4top J 4s-
titte"--,whoher a remedy.irtuita_bc.ftitot4tor uot, stvvldAet

atraiertake to say, but all his Mes's Ministers owed it to the- tale the Lord Chancellor 25 years to decide. After 12 years' of all persons admitted into Corporations in Ireland, since the
people of England to make the attempt; and they ought to be struggle, Lord Gifford was appointed Deputy Speaker of the , year 11117.
ashamed of themselves, if they left the matter where it was. House of Lords, and they were getting rid of the Appeals.— i
Were there no modern instances in which States had changed Why not proceed similarly with the Court of Chancery ? Had
their systems of Judicature ? The King of Bavaria had lately he been attending in the House last year he should not have
established a new penal code, instead of the ancient laws of that consented to the Commission. --: It was defective, for it did not
country. In a neighbouring State, a Code had been carried attack the system. One suit had actually continued for 33
into effect with the greatest advantage to the people. That years, anti if a man sought to recover 3,000/., it would at least
singular man, whose actions were not less singular than his fate, cost him 1,5001. How would the lion. Gentlemen oppoiite like
had left for himself this live-long monument, which would be to get into-Chancery themselves. Had not the petition of Mr.
remembered after the memory of his victories and defeats shall Palmer been 5 years undecided ?
have passed away. The Hon. Member then stated that it was The SOLICITOR-GENERAL—If the petition had been
hot his intention to have said one word relative to Lord Eldon properly filed, it would have been only two years so.—
personally, but that a work had been published within the last (Laughter.)
three or four days by Mr. Miller, of the:Court of Chancery, Mr. A. M. TAYLOR—WeII, for two years, a summary
which he would read to the House. He then read a lona.- ea- petition, in a case of charity ! The Hon. Gentleman went on
tract, which was a summary of all the usual charges made by
_to state particular grievances which had come to his knowledge.
the .politieal opponents of ,the Lord Chancellor, against that He was convinced that nothing could be done without a
Able' and Learned Personage. The Hon. and Learned Mem- 'struggle on the part of the House toget rid of the greatest evil
'ber Corielisded by saying, that the intelligence of the country and curse with which the country was afflicted.
loo—k id to. the-House for redress ;- and whatever might be said Mr. Sectetary PEEL said, he should not have troubled the
b LaWyers for the existing system, he would say that the House with-any observations had he not been more than once
wide:spreading knowledge of the people of England, the march personally alluded to: In the charge brought against him by
oriatellect, and the glorious progress of the. arts and sciences, the Hon. and Learned Member for Lincoln (Mr. J. Williams),
folioed a strong and well deserved censure upon those who he must say that he pleaded." Not Guilty." The Learned Gen-
wbuld permit the jurispruden-ceof the country to lay behind, tlenian supposed that he had proposed the appointment of this
and to repel every approach of aeform or improvement. - Commisasion merely as a Parliamentary manoeuvre to get rid of
'Mr. DENISON complimented the eloquence; and what he his motion. Now this he must beg leave to deny. • lie had
conceived to be the unanswerable arguments of his Hon. and made the proposition for the purpose of obtaining a fair and full
Learied_Friend. Ile alone bore testimony to the respectability enquiry. It was composed of lawyers certainly; but let them
and !unmoral& character of the first petitioner. remember that the Scotch _Commission, which had given so
Mr: -,1. SMITH owned that he might be an incompetent much satisfaction, -was composed in the same way.—( H ear !)
witnesicupon such a questiOn as the one before the House, and Ile *was however surprised *to hear the -Hon. Member for Co-
was ready to admit that the duties of -the- Noble Lord at the ventry (Mr. Ellice) contend that lawyers were not fit judges in
heatrofthe Court of Chancery were more arduous and:import- their own profession, that Hon. Gentleman -hovingsan -earlier
ant than_ those of any other man -in the country.; yet he-was period of the sante evening contended with great energy-that a
asaljus to state to the Haase Some facts- which had• come with- Master in Chancery could not judge in matter of accoont, be-
hr hia eXPerience, as aarowing oat of the present system
,of that cause he was not an accountant.—( Hear!)--H e never had heard
CoVia The honourable Member then stated a ease in which any thing more inconsistent uttered on the same day by the
he had been advised by Ilia-Solicitor to
_put_ up with the loss same individual—the one argument completely, desttoyed the
-of 5th.11: jtistly due, to him rather than get into Chancery.— other, The Commission had sat 70 days,. examined 45 wit
Li another case he- had been asaignee -to a bankrupt whose nesses, and, what was worthy of observation, had rejected no
attains. vieie in Chancery twenty-three years, - without any pro- witness that presented himself. -lie certainly did wish that they
',pact ,of their being settled. At that period he suet his had madea_report upon a part of their inquiry • for if their re.
Honcarable Friend,- the Member for Taunton, by accident at port upon the-whole subject were to be' word; any thing, it
Bath, and he being-a large creditor op the bankrupt's estate, must be_postponed for a considerable time longer. The in-
they consented to settle the business, and in three hours they quiry that he wished for was by no means limited, as the Hon:-
hill done-what the Court of Chancery could not do in three and Member had declared ; he thought it even more comprehensive
t*ent7 years. He agreed with his Pion. and Learned Friend than his own-. If what the Honourable Member stated of
that tne existing institution of the Court of Chancery was in. the condition Of the law affecting real property were well
ccasaaent.-with the enlightened state of the country, and he founded; he should-say, by all means amend the law.—(Hear,
thought the country indebted to his Hon.. and Learned
, Friend hear,- hear !):-2-But it would have been absurd in him to
for -the speech he had made that night.. - " _
...' _ clog the labours of the Commission by making that branch of
' Mr. ELLICE would not have troubled the Ilotiae upon such law a part of their inquiry. The (petition of reforming the
a custion, had it not been for his desire-!.6.9thevi his Hon. and laws had been incidentally touched upon. He had no hesita-
,Leazned Friend that he was supported by others than the mem. don in saying upon this subject, that it Was'his intention to
beet of his Own profession. 'The Noble artd-I;eartted Lord un- continue in the course he had entered upon, of consolidating
dertcoltwhat no man could do.; andthe Masters tinder hi?Ti and amending the laws.—(flear, hear!)—An Hon. Baronet
were placed' in a similar predicament, by being kuppolied cap. (Sir M: W. Ridley) had given notice of a motion to refer thee
Ale of juilgingin all cases of the items submitted to them. It whole of the Statute -Book to a Commission. Now he (Mr.
was also most objectionable to invest ozone/. in one particular Secretary Peel) would have the appointment of the Members
find Bet Ween 31) and 35 millions were ihveSted in three to theCOnimission ; and he thought he gave a very disinte-
pee cent. -stock. With respect'to the expences of the CoOrt of" rested opinion in advising against the motion. He thought it
Chancery; he might mention that in one cave where he was a would be-much better to direct attention to one branch of the
parq, relative to a sum -of 1,5001., he had already-paid 3001. law at a time, as he had done. From a Commission of five or
expences, and the case still stood as perfectly undecided as at seven Gentlemen; however' qualified, with so extensive an en-
the beginning. -He was indeed satisfied either that the Court quirt', he slid not think half so much was likely to be done as by
of Chancery must be-abrogated altogether or -reformed. NOr the employment of- competent persens in distinct departments.
was it fair for the Cabinet to throw the whole Odium •of the de. He thought the Hon. Baronet had better postpone his motion
fects of that trihunal upon' one man by resisting a -proper revi- -for the present Session, and give him (Mr. Secretary Peel). a
sion of its,iurisdiction. --let-the Right Hon. t;entleman (Mr.- fair opportunity of trying his plans of amendment. If it did not
Peel) folltica up the improvements which he had commenced in succeed, he should be most willing to become a fellow labourer
another branch of the administration of justice,- and show that with the Hon. Baronet.—( Hear, hear!) ,
he had the disposition, if he had not the power; to redress the
Mr. HUME said, he was sure nothing would be done in the
grievance of the Court of Chancery.
The SOMCITORaGENER AL should net follow the order way of_tmenditeg.the practice of the Coureof Chancery until

of his lion. ,and Learned-Friend's_ speech opposite, but that
refer to the-petitions. which he had presented. Ile was glad that
his Hon. and Learned-Friend did not hold himselfresiainsible for
the statement of the petitioners. The first was Mr. Palmer's, a
Churchwarden of. a parish in the county of Surrey, and corm;
plained of abuse in a Charity ; but,•in reality, he imputed no
delay to the Court of Chancery:. For it was not until last ;la-
neary that the question was in a fit state to be pronounced
upon by the Loicl Chancellor; and; Considering the multipli-
caty and importatice of 'the duties which that Learned Judge
had to discharge, 'it could not be deemed blameable, 'that as'
yet no decision had been prtincainced. .This • delay, besides
which, it seemed, had incurred an expence of 50/: was as much
owing to the petition having stood over for the accommodation
of Counsel, as to any other circumstance. The next petition
was that of. Mr. Honeywood-Vatei who insinuated that because
the late Mr. Ricardo had appropriated 00;0001. to -defend any
• suit which might he brought to invalidate his title to an estate
tie had purchased, originally in possession of Mr. Vate,therefore
50,0001. were the 'necessary cost of. Chancery proceedings,—
Such an argument was ludicrous, -and as such he should dis-
miss it.. The third
.petition was that of a Mr. Gommo, who
bad been HetzseSteward to the -late Duke of Queenshory, and
WAS a claimant on the estate for 5,000/. It was however
well known that voluntary creditors, who had no other tide
hut that of legatees, could not be satisfied while other claimants
remained, unpaid. What then was the fact:? That the
heirs of 'tile Dtike of Queensberry's estates instituted suits
to recover 100,0001. of fines which he had taken for leases,
and that the persona holding those leases also preferred de:
mends for compensation, which made the whole of the claims
-oo these grounds amount to 400,0001. A Bill was accordingly
filed in Chancery to prevent the payment of the legacies till
these questions ivere settled ; • and what was Mr. Oommo's
grievance—merely, -that in' consequence he had not received
the whole of his 0001. The Lord Chancellor had however
.gone cut ef his sway to aaccomtriodateTthe legatees; for con..
el udieg that owing to a rise in the Value of the funds belong-
ing td the' !Juke- of Queensberry, enough would remain -to
pay the other creditors, and hand. them over
es part of their be-
quests, he firSt 'ordered one-foorth of the latter to be discharged,
-and afterwards another one=fourth, making altogether one-
half. No later than yesterday, he, the'Solicitor-General, ob-'
-*alined the coosent of Mr. urray, one of his Grace's executors,
to state to the House that'the Court• Wad in that instance gone.
out of its way to accommodate 'the parties Interested. The
-fourth Petition was that of •Mr. Gourley, of which he would
• only -say, that as the Hon. and Learned Member for «sinchel-
seu had been knocked down bemuse he had not -presented a
Petition for Mr. OciurlaY.; his Hon. and Learned Friend, the
fd ember for'Lincoln.,..hail..better take .carehe did not share the
teune fate for haiingpreaented'this petition. (Hear!)—ln short
he should charge all the Tetitinns with misrepresentations,
• and the last was nothing less than direct and positive madness.
All that he Could desire from the Se. Petitions was that there
ought-to- be. five CoUrts. of Chancery----orse to please each. of
the complainants. .He should now say a. few words relative
to the Commission to enquire into the- practice. of the. Court
of Chancery. His Honourable 'and- Leareed .Friend would
not assuredly say, that it had 'not :been laborious when he
WAS informed that it sat 'aliefitii seventy days and examined
forty-five witnesses,- corabthirik the 'moat' material informa-
tion.
For his -own part lie laid wished,, that the Report
should be divided into two parts, but the opinion was over-
• ruled by the majority of the Commission. 'The Hon. Member
• proceeded to enlarge uPenythY-qrialifications of the Members
of the Commisaioh:.' Thenext -topic 'he should advert to was
the History of the Jurisdiatinii' of the Court of. Chancery.—
The Hon. and Learned ;Member for Lincoln ',had. said that if
usurped the function of'the Star Chamber., but he asserted th4t
since the dispute_ between Lord
.Colta and Lord Ellismore, no-
thing of the sort had been itVrhpted. He would :also. remind
his Hon. arid Learned-Friflnd; thatthe Equity JUrisdietien. of
• Court was similar- hithat'whiclilhe Prretorial Court. of Rome
exercised over the Common Law of that Republic.-and. that
which the Court of Session in Scotland exercised. -The. Hon.
-and Learnell Genfteinad Cotietudfd harttesigniasingethepetitioas.
as deceptious-titd fallacious. . , .. • • .
Dr. LtISIIINGTos was inxioua. to state a.few words, ex-
pl sining the delay in laying, the :Repert of the -Commissioners
before Parliament. FteeiT the professional avocations of the
)lembers; it Wailtripossible for it to sit,.-from day to day.__
',The indiSposithin of the Vice-Chancelior, andil.the engage-.
merits of Loid- ltedesdale, had also retarded the performance
of the duty.- Nor could any thing be more improper than• to-
have brougbtlip the Report before it was maturely considered.
The Holise, ought' riot to 'expect too much from the
Commisaint);ithetritsieocwers were limited. had no power to
say, whether the' juriadictionof the Court was right or wrongi-
but to repoit do it as it was' found, and he certainly :should
'• have hesitated to undertake the duties of a Commissioner, if
they went- further. But small , they appeared, they were
- of considerahlt extent. The -Hondurable and Learned Gen-
tleman y,roceeded ,th'. contend- that the jurisdiction of -the,
Court respecting person'af property ought to be altered; and
that the validity of witle disposing of such property -ought to
be tried by a-Jury. He also thought the abuses in' the transfer
of real property Ought- to be eradicated, for he himself could
state one ease;-in whichan abstract of a title to an estate
copied ROO brief sheets: Now he saw-no reason why 'these de-
fects should net be removed. He only wished the example of
the Right Hon. Gentleman ( Mr; Peel), in the present Session,
should be followed—=an example *high, seven years ago, would
'he considered nothing less than Jacobinisin. in a word, the
-eastern swat not fit for the present day—but they should not
attempt- to pull down till they had the materials- to build up
again, -What they found bad in theory,-and bad in practice,
ought to bezrentedied, = 'The object ought to he; to give Justice
cheaply, emily,,andeffeetually. .• •
Mr. 111. A. TA*:.LOR had for 'tart described the "nractice
40' the Coatt :al Chancery se ruinous-to' the' public: When he
*at took op ihe'-werhjeeti. there- were es Plany, causes es would-

the multitude of sinecures was done away with or cut down.
Sir 31. W. RIDLEY said, that with. reference to the mo-
tion which he had upon .the notice paper, and to which the
Right Honourable Secretary had adverted, his only wish was
to call the attention of the House to the fact, that since his Ma-
jesty's Answer to ,an Address of the House upon this subject
Live years ago, nothing had yet been,done. He, however, was
quite willing to withdaw his motion for this Session, contented
to leave it the hands of the Right lion. Gentlemen,
Mr.' Secretary PEEL said, he entirely acquiesced in the
principle of the Hon. Baronet's motion, .aad should be most
happy to assist in it, if his own views should not succeed to
his wish.
Mr. HOBHOUSE said, the country would long feel grate-
ful to the Right Hon. Secretary for the Home Department for
his effort to, improve the Laws of the country. No Miniiter
had ever done more for• the country in this respect than the
Right Hon. Gentleman.. As far as he had heard, the Right
Hon. Gentleman had entered into the views of every one who
had benificial .soggeetions to make. He sincerely hoped he
would continue 1113 benevolent exertions. Ile (Mr..H.) would
like to know what progress bad been made in_ the •eammission
of hiquiry into charitable foundations. •
Mr. BBOUGHAM said, they had inquired into a vast
number of Charities, and their labours were to be found in, he
believed•thirteen -bulky ioluines. He assured the House there
was much _curious matter tending to illustrate the state of
our country in-- former times is the Report of these .COmmis-
sionierS. They .were certainly elaborate, and he was sure it
Would well repay any individual who would compress the
matter contained in them. He had been charged with bad
motives, and laziness in respect of the subject of Abuses in
Charities. But he was not open to any such charge. In
the first place he had brought in, after unparalleled labour, a
Charitable Abuse bill, and. an Education Bill.- These Bills,
however, were neglected by the -House, and he had abandoned
them, until such time as the prejudices against them -should sub-
side. lie was so far from having been lazy upon this subject,
that he had actually in the midst of the Queen's business,-and
when he was pressed on all sides, devoted himself for fierty-
eight hours to the education plan exclusively—and he had ex.
pounded it to the House, he believed, in a longer speech than
was -perhaps ever delivered. The Commission upon charitable
abuses had done infinite service in the way of prevention.—
People put their house in order •fearing the approach of in-
quiry, and many-letters had been received from those who had
reformed themselves, pointing the attention of the Commission
to some of their neighbours who had not. With regard to the'
Court of Chancery, that place where when a man entered he
must leave hope behind, he could only say, that be thought the
Commission upon the abuse of the Court of Chancery, had tic-
*Maly got " into. Chancery."—(A laugh.)--elle. certainly
never had-expected any thing from that Commission beyond
the " Partial Report," promised them some time ago by the
Bon. and. Learned Member for Oxford (the Solicitor-General).
He was sure; if he said he expected any thing more from in,
the Honeurable3lember for Exeter (Mr. Courtenay) would
absolutely laugh in his race. It appeared to him as ridiculous
,to allow the -Lord Chancellor. to appoint the Members of a
C6mmission to inquire into the abuses in his Court, as it had
,been represented to be the other night by an Honourable and
Learned-Member, for the-Xing to have a Commission of Popish
Bishops to advise him against the Pope. The exact allusion of
-the Hon.eAlernber, he believed, was, that it would be as absurd
• ,as though the Chancellor of the Exchequer were to appoint a
Commission to cheCk his malversations.—(Hear !)—lt had al-
-ways appeared to him remarkable; that the El on. Member in that
comparison should 'have mentioned Such a Word as "" Chan-
cellor" at latigh.)—The Scotch Commission had been
anentionede hut that was widely-different; there Were Learned
Lawyers in it, as in..the Chancery Commission, but then there
-was a.very important person. . at the head—no less than Lord
.ChancellorEldoin-e(Heaeln—Foe although he was-not so.con-
apicuous for the correction of abuses in his own Court, if he
(Mr. Brougham) wanted an inquisitor, a severe scrutinizer into
men'sactioh3 anywhere else, he knelt no one he would sooner
choeise.thon.the said Lord Eldon.-(A latigh.)—No one had a
greeeter respect for. that Learned Lord than he hail—his great
I talent, hie learning,-the sobtlety of his ;rind, all inspired hire.
tespecte -A'greater Lawyer,, or more acute man, or one
more fitted Ter the ditty of overhauling others, he did not
,know. Did he (Mr. Brotigheih) belong to -any inferior Court,
there. was no one of whom he Should. be more afraid than-
-Lord Eldon: But-as-it was. at the. head of his own Court,
.that he had appointed a Commission, to examine the abuses,
confessed he had no confidence in justice being ad-
ministered. He knew but of one case. in which justice
. wasimpartially administered, where the individual was his own
judge. He took it from-an authority that would be respect-.
.able with the- Lord Chancellor, for it was Sir William Black-
-stone; but as the example .was a Popish one, he did not think
likely'it Lord Eldon would , follow. it. 'The instance was
that of a Pope who actually judged himself to be burned.—
(Hear and laughter.)—lie went to the Bishops of Rome to
-demand judgment upon his crimes, his delay of justice, the
pains and vexations he had inflicted upon the suitors, and so
forth. They told him they could not judge him, he must judge
himself. He then passed sentence on himself, saying, "Judie°
7rte, erentari,"—(Laughter.)—The historian went on to say,
" et judicatus jitit cremator fait,
et saitetza." (Much. laugh-
ter.)—fle feared, however, that .the Lord Chancellor was.
too intent upoh-his estate for lite, fie attend much to the bright
reversion -which awaited him as a Saint hereafter,
. The petitions were then read, and ordered, to lie on the table.
• Mr. WILMAAIS, in -moving that the petition be printed,
.observed, that his reason for suspecting the object of the Right
Hon.-Gentleman (Mr. Secretary
_Peel) in time appointment of
the Commission, was the precise-moment which he chose for
the appointment.—The petitions Were then ordered to be
nrinted.• • • • •
-On the motion of Mr. UUATTAX, A Rettitil was ordered

LUNATIC ASYLUMS.
Mr. GOULBUR rsl. pursuant to notice, moved that the House
should resolve itself. into a Committee, for the purpose of
bringing in a Bill to amend the law relative to Lunatic Asylums
in. Ireland. The purport Of the Bill, he observed, was merely
to rectify an omission irt the Acts of the Ist and 3d of George,
IV., which enabled Grand Juries to make a rate for the sup
port of those asylums, but gave no power to the Lord-Lieu-
tenant toissue the money in the first instance.
The House having gone into Committee on the above Acts,
a Ragreed to, to authorize the issue of money for
the maintenance
wasnance of Lunatic Asylums in Ireland. The House
having resumed, the Report was ordered to be received to-
morrow.

COTTON M ANUFACTORIES.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee on the Cot-
ton Manufactories Bill.

Mr. 110BHOU'iiexpressed his surprise at the opposition
he had received to his proposition, that children should not
work longer in cotton mills than eleven hours. He had inquired
into the number of hours that the workmen in other trades
worked, .and he feared that it was not more than ten hours and,
a half in any of the ordinary, trades. Surely then, no one would
require that children in such a heated atmosphere should Tabour
longer than eleven hours. He was,. however, willing that they
should work for 12 hours a day for five days in the week, and
only nine hours on Saturday, in orderthat they might prepare
for the repose of Sunday. No one could have the face to re-
quire more than this ; and he feared even he was granting too
much. He had seen many masters upon this subject,'And he
could assure the House that masters who had employed among
them 15,000 operatives, were as anxious for these amendments
to be made as he was. Sir Robert Peel's Bill had been found
not adequate to its :purpose, and therefore another was re-
'quire& He sincerely hoped that this Bill which he had amend-
ed, would not be rejected. The Hon. Member then presented
some clauses, and moved that they be read a first time.
.Mr. JOHN SMITH said he had visited Mr. 0 wen's fac-
ry at New Lanark. That benevolent Gentleman had spon-
taneously altered the hours of .hiS children's work from eleven
hours and a half, to ten hours and a half; and he had been
rewarded by firitliag that they spun as much cotton now as
they everdid.- -The Hon.,.Member warmly supported the Bill,
and thought by kindness and indulgence that they_might do
much good.
Mr. HIJSKISSON did not consider it necessary to trouble
the Committee at inueh length. Parliament had departed from
the maxim of not interfering with free labour in this particular
class of manufactures. He should therefore not oppose the
measure, altered as it was to a proper time for labour. The
Ikon. Gentleman had said some trades. and callings did not
work twelve hours in the day; but in some trades, although
the time,of labour was not twelve hours, the exhaustion was
greater than that of the children
.employed in -cotton factories.
They ought to consider whether the reduction of labour might
not deprive children of employment, which would be more in--
jury to them than the excess of labour. lie-should not how-
ever oppose the Bill, limited as it then was.

'Mr. WILIAAM 'SMITH said, the evidence before the
House on the subject, was conclusive, but, ith respect to the
hours of labour be had heard from one of the proprietors of an
extensive cotton -mill that he had n 6 desire to work his people
more thaw ten hours and a half. No less than 3,501.1 persons
were employed in the concern to which he alluded, -and there
had been no want of success under the system which he had
described. He did not consider the labour of slaves in the Co-
lonies more injurious thin the labour -imposed on children in.
these cotten mills. It had been said the mills of Manchester
did not work 14 hours a day, -but in a variety ofndier places.
those abuses were carried on.

Mr. Secretary PL£I. said the most .valuable part of the Bill
was that which gave .1114;istrates the power to carry into effect
the law of 1813. He fairly owned that it would have been
more satisiActory to him, before they altered the hours of la-
bour, to have had inquiry by a Commission on the state of the
health of the children. If it appeared their health suffered, a•
measure should be introduced to limit the hours of labour.—
He, however, should not oppose the Bill. • •
Mr. TULK supportedthe Bill, and said be should move in
the Committee to substitute the hours originally introduced in
the Bill, for the hours then inserted. Medical men, and parti-
cularly Dr. Bailey, had said, children should not be worked
more than 5 hours in the day. They spoke not only from
the fact.s, but knowledge of the infsntine constitution. The Hon.
Member read the- evidence of medical persons, who were all of
opinion, that eleven hours and a half was the utmost length of
nine that children under sixteen ought to be employed. • The
Hon.-Member moved to leave out the words twelve hours to in-
sert eleven and half.

Sir F. BURDETT expressed a hope that the 'Hon. Gentle-
man would not press his amendment, as it might, if carried,
endanger the !Fin the House of Lords.
Mr. PHlLLlPS:complained of combinatioris in these facto-
ries. The grossest inisrepresentation had Incur-I-lade, and on
the subject of medical opinions, he Could say that these Medi-
cal Gentlemen had never been in the factories. He was appre-
hensive the Bill would have an injurious effect.
111 r. T r.K es plaintd.
Mr. GORDON sinipoiled: the Bill. Having been a Member
of the Committee of irtrytttry into the subject, he was entitled
to state that the health of these children was impaired. The
slaves in the colonies were not worked harder. Humanity was
always to give way, in the opinion of some Hon-. Members, to
the interest of the Cotton Trade. He, for one, wouhl never
consent to abandon these children to the avarice of their masters.
Mr. HUSKISSON wished to know whether the Honourable
Member Intended to insist on the amendment.

Mr. TULK said he would give up his amendment rather
than endanger the Bill.
•
The amendment was withdrawn.

Lord STANLEY, connected as he was with Manchester,
could not abstain front offering his opinion as, a Meinber of the
Legislature. He was one who opposed the measure. brought in
by the Committee alluded to. Since that Bill many alterations
had taken place in the management of the,cotton mills. He
thought inquiry ought to be made by a Parliamentary Com-
mission into the whole of the cotton trade. With regard to
children employed in factories, and the evidence of medical
men, he thought these opinion's were given on speculative
points, and not to be relied on. bad been said that this mea-
sure arose out.of .a combination of workmen, and the Noble
Lord believed that to be the case.
' Mr. TRENTmuch regretted the Amendment could not be
persisted in. It did not require medical advice to enable the
father'of a family to know that 12 hours' labour was too much
for a child of 9 years old.
Mr. HUM E said, if this measure had arisen out of combina-
tion of, workmen, it would-have been creditable to them ; but
it was•known to have arisen out of different causes.
Several amendments were proposed by Mr. Pit 1.1.1 PS which
were rejected without a divisiot•..

This Report was brought up and ordered to he received this
day.
GRANT TO THE DUKE OF CUMBERLAND.

The CH CELLOR tif`the EXCHEQUER brought up
the Bill for enabling his Majesty to grant a sum of 6,0001. per
annum for the education of the son of his Royal Highness the
Duke of Cumberland. On the motion that it be read a first
time,

. Mr. HUME said he hoped the' Bill would not be read a first
time to-eight, as he understood it was the intention of his BOA.
Friend the:Member for Winchelsea to oppose this Bill in every
stage. He should - therefore propose that, . instead of its being
read now, it should be read to-morrow.. - •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCEIBQU.ER"did not sup-
pose that the lion. Member for Winehelsea intended that his
opposition should apply to the first reading of the Bill.-
Mr. W. SMITH thought the• Hon. Member for \Vinehelsea
meant rather to protest agiaost,tile,prineiple of the grant, than
to follow up his disapprobation whenever the bill came before
the House. • "

IVIr. S. RICE said that, on the.contrary, he believed it was
the intention of the Hon. 31ember for \iinchelsea to oppose
the-Bill at every possible opportunity,: but he did not think he
meant to take a debate on the first reading.
The Bill was then read a first time.

The CHANCELLOR of tIie.EXCHEQUER then brought
up the Bill for tnabling-his Majesty to make a similar grant for
the education of the daughter of her Royal Highness the auchess
of Kent, which was also read a, first time.
BUBBLE ACT.

Mr. HUSKISSON gave notice, on behalf of the Arron-
NEY-GENERAL, that he would, on Thursday next, move for
leave to bring in. a Bill, repealing the penalties imposed by the
Act of the 6th year of the reign of the late King, relating to'
Partnerships and Joint Stock Companies.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of; and the
House adjourned at HALF-PAST 011 E O'CLOCK.

BALLOON ASCENT.—Yesterday Mr. GRA-11Am
made his twenty-first aerial 'excursion, from the Gardens of the
Alontpellier Tavern, Walworth. He was accompanied on this
occasion by the Captain of a merchant vessel, whosejlesire to.
explore the regions of the air had been disappointed on Thurs-
day-last. They had not proceeded far, however, when, owing
to an insufficiency of gas, they were obliged to make a:prema-
ture descent in the neighbourhood of Clapham, where the Gen.:
tlemen alighted; and Mr. Grahath once more ascended, and
prosecuted the remainder of his voyage unaccompanied: tie'
at length alighted at a short distance from Morton,- Surrey,
after a voyage of something more-thin an hour arid a quarter.