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state of feeling in Ireland. The observations which were made
by the Noble and Learned Lord were, as I have taken occa.-
sion to say before, of the greatest importance, from his well-
known abilities and the station he has filled in this country.
I have therefore thought it right, without the least degree of
asperity or acrimony, and without the slightest reference to
any expressions that might appear to form a ground for other
observations, to state in what respect, and why, I differ from
the Noble and Learned Lord on this occasion. My Lords, I
have already stated the great principle and the grounds on
which the Commons have founded their amendments. I have
already stated that your dignity, your weight, your influence,
your audnority in t!iis country, are sufficiently fixed and founded
upon all the advantages w
Nobody can injure it, my but yourselves.—(Loud
lich result from your character,
cheers.) The possession of present p,?wer and the right of _
individual property are apt to mislead all men. My Lords, I
implore you not to be led away, by the undisputed sway you
possess in this House, to mistake your station with respect t°
the other House of Parliament.—( Cheers.) I beg leave to call
to your recollection, for the purpose, if possible, of opening
your eyes a little, some facts which I really think seem to have
escaped your memory. In the year 1834 the Government of
this country was dissolved by circumstances which it is un-
necessary for me to repeat. The Noble Lords coming into
office chose to do that which I shall ever consider as a most
violent and unjustifiable act, of which, if I were in their sites-.
tion, I would not have been the author—the violent and unjus-
tifiable act of dissolving the Parliament. My Lords, I say th a t
if they could not form their Government withcut dissolving that
House of Commons, they were bound to give up the attempt,
However, they did dissolve that Parliament. A new Parliament
was chosen, under all the power and influence, whatever that
may be (much exaggerated, I believe), which the possession
of Government gives. They met that Parliament ; they were
in a minority of seven; they were in a minority of ten; they
were in a minority of thirteen. This year their minority com-
menced at about forty-five, and it had grown in the last
division to nearly double the number. Now I ask your
Lordships to consider what has been the cause of this pro-
gression? I ask you to consider whether it is not owing to
your own imprudence—whether it is not owing to your own
misconduct—whether it is not owing to your own blindness—
whether it is not owing to the manner in which you seek to
separate yourselves from the whole body of the people—from
the manner in which you have tried to do everything that is
unpopular, and abstained from doing anything that has in it
the elements of generosity and popularity?—( Loud cheers.) I
wish you to consider whether this is not the cause ; and, my
Lords, it will be well for you to think of the causes which
have occasioned this retrograde movement in the other House
of Parliament, while, at the same time, it is very remarkable
that the whole of the intermediate elections have, for the most
part, been in your favour,—( Loud cheers.) There is another
point, my Lords, to which I wish to refer. We arc often told,
and we have been frequently informed in the course of the
present session, that you have with you, and we have against
us, the great majority of the intelligence, the power, the
weight, and the importance of the country; that you have
with you the majority of the gentry; that you have with you
the majority of the clergy ; 'that you have with you, distinctly,
the voice of the two universities. My Lords, I will not deny
that this may be the truth ; nor will I stop to inquire what
really is the truth of the matter. But if you have this support,
I implore your Lordships not to be too confident, and not to
rely upon it too far. I have the greatest respect for the
majority of the gentry; I have the greatest respect for the
gentry, of this country ; I have the greatest respect for the
clergy ; I have no disrespect for, nor do I feel anything of
ill-will towards, the universities ; but depend upon it, nil
Lords, these interests are not omnipotent in this country; nor
were they omnipotent when other interests, such as those of
towns and cities, the interests of commerce and manufactures,
the interests of the Dissenters, and the general opinion of the
people, were all as nothing compared with what they are now.
—( Cheers.) My Lords, great measures have been carried in
opposition to their interests ; whole dynasties have been
changed, families have been placed, aye, and maintained, upon
the throne in opposition to the majority of the gentry ; most
distinctly and certainly in opposition to the great majority of
the clergy, and in opposition to the decided opinion of the two
I.lniversities.—( Cheers.) My Lords, I only pray you not to
rely too much upon this opinion ; I earnestly entreat you to
unite together the interests and feelings of all classes of so-
ciety • and I entreat you to take the first step towards this
desirable result by acceding to these amendments which have
been sent up from the Commons, and thus establishing. your
weight, your authority, your power, and your dignity in the
feelings and affections of the people of Ireland.—(Loud
cheers.) The Noble Viscount concluded by moving that the
amendments be now taken into consideration.

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Lord L YNDHUR ST said that the Noble Viscount, in-
stead of calling their Lordships' attention to the details of the
amendments contained in the paper on their Lordships' table,
had thought proper to employ the greater portion of his speech
in a personal attack upon him (Lord Lyndhurst) for his con-
duct upon the present occasion.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble
Viscount had recalled to their Lordship's attention the pro-
ceedings which he (Lord Lyndhurst) had taken with respect
to the Roman Catholic Relief Bill, and he had pointed out for
approbation, as he understood, his (Lord Lyndhurst's) conduct
with respect to that measure. Ile ( Lord Lyndhurst) could only
say that he acted, in the course which he pursued, with men of
as much honour and attachment to the Constitution, as deeply
read in the laws and history of the country, and as indepen-
dent in their motives and conduct as auy body of men that ever
existed in this country. The Noble Lord stated that the con-
sequ,nces which resulted from that measure were contrary to
his (Lord Lyndhurst's) expectation. The consequences
which had resulted from that measure, and the conduct of
thaw who had been connected with that measure, be con-
fessed had disappointed him, and he could not illustrate what
he meant better than by recalling their Lordships' attention to
a quotation then made with respect to the consequences and
results which would follow the adoption of that measure :---
--" Quorum simul alba nautis
Stella refulsit,
Defluit saxis agitatus humor:
Concidunt venti, fugiuntque nubes,
Et minax (quod sic voluere) ponto
Unda fecumbit."
That was the quotation then made, as illustrative of the con-
sequences which would result from the adoption of the mea-
sure ; and he would appeal to their Lordships whether the
consequences had not been contrary to the sense of the pas-
sage to which he had just referred ? Step by step altera-
tions had been made in the Protestant Church of Ireland,
directly contrary to pledges at that time given as an cocoa'
ragement to pursue the course which was then adopted.--
( Hear, hear.) The Noble Viscount then passed on to sal,
that at the time the late Government entered into office, ill
1334, they pursued a most unjustifiable course by advising hl
Majesty to dissolve Parliament. This the Noble Viscount had
stated, but he had given no reason in support of it. What, he
(Lord Lyndhurst) would ask, could be more regular, "Tree
proper, or more in accordance with the principles of a 111,
Constitution than when his Majesty made a change is his
councils, that an appeal should be made to the feelings of r
people of England to sanction the act done by his Majesty •it
(Hear.) The Noble Viscount said that Noble Lords eag
not to submit to intimidation or threats, and yet a great r....
of
tion of the close of the Noble Viscount's speech consiste .th
nothing but carefully implied threats, to fill Noble Lords
e,„
apprehension as to the consequences of the course which ti'tdc,
were pursuing. The Noble Viscount seemed all al°llgapnt-
have considered the other House of Parliament as rePre:io a
ing the people, and that their Lordships were, at leas` Auld
certain degree, to bend to it. He (Lord Lyndhurst) vv°tca
beg leave to say that their Lordships' House also represell. A
the nation—that though their Lordships were summoned ":„.„
different way, they no less represented the nation than 1."-,,
House of Commons—( Hear, hear)—and he believed, at tat::
moment, whatever might be the opinion of the Noble Viscou
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they as fairly, as fully, and as sincerely, represented the opol i
nions, the sentiments, and the feelings of the great body
the
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the people as the representatives of the people in the o 9_en'
House. The Noble Viscount had employed a great Pero°
of his speech, not in dealing with the question before t.ht.e
House, but with reference to another topic, namely, 3"
reference to what had fallen from him (Lord Lyndhurst)
on a former occasion. He was extremely desirous
sub-
ject—he hoe fewwas observations to toredtheeemiriuLgortdbsehippsleudpgoen
wthbitisnebsure
theto
gave with reference to it, and he owed it in some degree
their Lordships to do it, because, as what ho uttered ons,__
occasion alluded to was not reproved by their Lordships, he
felt that the attack directed against him was also in a certain
al:
degree directed against their Lordships. First as to hmi
em..
cusers. The first of his accusers in order of time was a
after
ber of the other House of Parliament, who, immediolltyo
the Bill went down to the other House, washseeanrt”
and great
Ire-
land as at apostle of agitation—
laughter)—for the purpose of cLiHngear;
country. Meetings were called, ?lotions were prepared,
resolutions
the Noble Viscount
justice to Ireland, and the words to which. movement in that
Certainly this did not
at of getting up a little agitation.
his gentleman, who had been
at once entirely succeed; but t .
had refereed—aliens in blood—were made use. of for. thepuor-t
it was stated, he threw another. . .
Irish tithes and agitation to a cer-
tain-
dron—the question of
butwhieldt
did
dhand
used to such missions, wasriotwiituhgoruetdhieisutreLotuorcetb,
efocra,uais.
sided. He (Lord Lyndhurst)
degree followed,
laughter)--and If
Hear, hear," and' immense
his vocation—(" l ceased from
he ever had entertained any it would have enrtillr.
towards the Hon. Member, who was thus labouring in
he
seoxmpeureibenzerdhiins
firstbis accuserbi or assailant.
not feel naenarylyensmarty
nothing
The next was a man of a very different stamp ,
tshtyelegroefa
lain one, if he
weapon of the one, and the coarse, rusty,
and
Hep re retted that
could be more strongly contrasted than the well-tempere
might so express himself, of his associate.g
°was
ia.nytforand light
lot Paleuase:cree.
ketch which the
this person, how
he did not possess the Noble Viscount's eloquence and p
of description ; but he should never forget the s
Noble Visoosnt had on one occasion drawn of
to his character
tury, the multitude gazing at him, doubt fu as a
him benevolent or
—as to whether they ought to ,consider
he appeared visiting our planet once in thelrevolution of a
evil spirit---whether
Spirit—whether
" A spirit of health or goblin darnn'd."
d almost to
The Noble Viscount, wrapt in such awe, app
say—
" I'll call thee—
eare
King—father."
This person had ex-
(Hear, hear; and immense laughtero.
d the applause of the Now,
most decent kind, that he had
gamed
in this instance. Now,
titude ; but all description must failtributionly nay ho
for these feats he received lavish conbut,
at the same time, he
hibited himself in such a variety of p !tures, not always of the
would say, ducal wealth—( Hear
sant. This person (conti-
from the hands of the starving pea
T has in every shape anic_l
d Lo )
nued the Noble and Learne
our Lordships' House--an
_ti
form insulted your Lordships•—d y 1
He has denounced You'
had, by the aid of the priests, ,xtracted the miserable pittane
Many of your Lordships indivi. ual y.