The Sun.
London, England, 1831-04-04 00:00:00

CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES.

(SITTING OF WEDNESDAY-CONTINUATION.)
Odilion Barrot said " It is with grief I see that
the nearer danger approaches, and the necessity for union
increases, the more wide and implacable our divisions be-
come. I behold with pain that the seeds of detraction,
accusation, and calumny, are sown and increasing daily,
rendering more and more difficult that union of all minds
in France which has become so necessary for her safety and
prosperity. I was present, not as an actor, but as an
auditor, at all the debates which have arisen between the
advocates of legitimacy, and a party which at the time ex-
isted in the Chamber. I have observed a similar contest
reproduced at the present day. Was there presented one
generous sentiment—one claim in favour of an extension
of the political rights of the people—one broad and legal
interpretation of the charter; immediately there arose de-
glands of impeachment against the seditious, and exciters
of rebellion ; immediately it was proclaimed that this opi-
nion was subversive of social order. Did the Press de-
fend these principles; it was no longer possible to govern
with the Press; preventive measures were necessary—it
was necessary to destroy its arms, and annihilate this evil.
Was an association formed ; it became immediately a fia-
grunt act of hostility—a permanent conspiracy, against
which all the rigorous severity of power slitsw.ld he en-
forced. Ilad any body of young men, alarmed by the
threats thrown out against liberty, the effrontery to ex-
claim in the streets or other public places in favour of
those liberties ; immediately the opposition 'alien-tints
were denounced as partaking in the popular effer-
vescence—they were held to be responsible, and pointed
out to tho people as the agents of discord and the
Promoters of riot. Thus the division between the
two parties became wider, and their animosity more ir-
reconcileable., What was then exhibited we now again
behold.' The Hon. Member then discussed the legality
of the Associations. He conceived that none such could
be allowed under an absolute Government, where every
other power must be mstantty crushed. But, in a free
State, to denounce Associations would be a complete mis-
ainception of the principles which formed the very essence
of the representative system. In this, on the contrary,
the citizens ought to be admitted to every action com-
patible with liberty and He then referred
to the Associations fur mutual instructi..n, and inferred
that the Association could not he deemed illegal.. But,"
added he, " in what does its criminality consist?
it has been said, in i‘ts object of defending the independence,
of the country. gupely, if there ever was a noble, object,
it must be that of offering the last drop of a man s blood
for the independence of his country. —(General cheers.)—
'flare is no longer a conspiracy when all the tenrld can-

spire together. Whence arises this mistrust, which seems
to pervade every act of the Government ?" After recallime
to mind what passed in Germany, at the period when the
associations were formed against France, the Hon. Mem-
b r concluded by saying, Take example from these asso-
ciations—they were not destroyed before victory was se-
cured, and (hi not crush ours before the battle is begun."
—(Cheers from the left.)
M. Guizot—ln replying to what the Hon. Member has
just said, it is necessary to remark that it is not on the side
of Government that the division has commenced, but that
it h from the centre of the Opposition that the attacks
have been directed and the Associations formed. What
is the object of these associations ? It is to substitute one
system for another.—(No, ❑o.)—No one respects more
than I the sincerity of intentions ; hut, though intentions
will, I hope, save individu ils in the next world, they will
never save States in this.—(Laughter.)—The intentions,
doubtless, are good ; but can those who are at the head of
these associations answer for the opinions of those who
may come after them? The policy of free and prudent
nations is to await the necessity that compels them to
action. The Revolution of 1792 has been cited, but at
that epoch an invasion of the country was expected by the
entry of the Prussians into France.
M. Demarcay—That is a mistake; it was France that
declared war.

M. Guizot—l repeat it, at that epoch France did not
begin the war ; it was on her territory that the war
began. The principle professed by the party who incline
for war is the legitimacy of insurrection against all Go-
vernments that are not free. Bat it is necssary to re-
mark that France is not now to receive peace from theist ;
on the contrary, she is in a condition to give it to Europe.
General Lafayette said—The Hon. Deputy (M. Guisot)
had said that the United States had not interposed in the
quarrel between Spain and her ancient colonies. This,
unquestionably, was true, until other Powers had meddled
with it; but in 1823, when an intrigue was formed
among the Cabinets of Europe against the independence
of the South American States which hail not then been
acknowledged by England, and which she did not acknow-
ledge till a long time after the United States had done so,
President Monroe declared, in his Message to the Con-
gress, that, if any foreign Powers interfered in the quarrel,
the United States would consider it as an attack upon
themselves. This declaration of the President deterred
them from carrying their projects into execution ; and it
is precisely of the same conduct, with regard to interven-
tion in the affairs of other nations desirous of recovering
their rights, that I have never ceased to recommend to the
Government.

M. Guizut—l never have said that in no case inter-
ference was inadmissahle; but, on the contrary, .m of
opinion that, whenever there is a positive interest involved,
intervention is strictly lawful.
General Semele stated that the fears of the department
of the Moselle were well grounded, for its towns were
without fortifications, and it was in the vicinity of 73,000
Prussians, stationed from distance to distance along its
territory. It was under the influence of these fears that
the Associations were formed. They felt the need of
uniting to resist an invasion, for we hare already had two.
A Member—We have had three.

LAt this moment an elegantly dressed lady, in one of
the galleries, exclaimed—" We have already had four."
The eyes of all the Deputies and the spectators were im-
mediately fixed upon her.]
M. de Tracy, in defending the Association, said that
it had sprung out of the Opposition, but not for the object
attributed to it. The Association had nu other flag than
the national one, and no other Chief than the King chosen
by the people. The Hon. Deputy and his friends neither
wished for propaganda nor riots, but considered tlaat
opposition ought to be offered to the oppression of one
nation by another, and that succour should be afforded to
all nations that aimed at the recovery of their rights.—
(Murmurs )—When nations had recovered their inde-
pendence, tLey ought to be supported.—Adjourned.