The Sun.
London, England, 1836-05-02 00:00:00

HOUSE OF LORDS.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the wool.
sack at five o'clock this evening.
The Earl of WICKLOW presented petitions for the better
observance of the Sabbath.
Lord DACRE presented a petition from the medical prac-
titioners of Worcester, praying for a Committee of Inquiry
into the laws regulating the practice of their profession.
CORPORATE REFORM (IRELAND).
Earl GREY presented two petitions in favour of the Irish
Municipal Reform Bill.
SABBATH OBSERVANCE. _ .

—.—
The Bishop of CHESTER presented several petitions in
favour of a Bill for the better observance of the Sabbath.
TITHES (IRELAND.)
Lord CLONCURRY presented petitions from Kilcullen,
Westport, and several other places, in favour of the Bill for the
adjustment of the Tithe Question in Ireland.
POLICE (IRELAND.)

The Marquis of CLANklCAßDE'presented a petition
from the Grand Jury of the county of Galway, praying for some
measure to relieve the landholders from the pressure of taxes
necessarily imposed under the existing law, for the support of
the constabulary force in Ireland.
HULL AND SELBY RAILWAY.

A NOBLE LORD presented a petition against the Hull and
Selby Railway Bill.
Lord RODEN presented a petition from the masters
mistresses, hostlers and post. boys, of Matlock, against Sunday

trading.
The Bishop of EXETER presented similar petitions from
different parts of Exeter.
STAFFORD DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE moved the second
reading of the Stafford Disfranchisement Witnesses Indem-
nity Bill.
Lord ASHBURTON and Lord LYNDHURST objected to several
parts of the Bill.
The Duke of WELLINGTON thought the House ought
to agree with the other House of Parliament as to some mode
of deciding this question.
Viscount MELBOURNE admitted that some efficient
course should be adopted to effect such an object.
After some obseruations from Lord LYNDHURST, which
were in so low a tone as to be totally inaudible in the gallery,
the Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed
to-morrow. _ .

The Earl of ABERDEEN presented a petitidn from Bati
praying for an alteration of the system of insurance in cases o

lire.
CONSTABULARY FORCE (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord D UNCANNON moved the Order of the Day for
the House going into Committee upon this Bill.
Losd RO DEN said that having been prevented from attend-
ing himself on the second reading of this most important
Bill, he was most anxious to take the opportunity now of
making a few observations as to the principal and details
of the measure, which appeared to him most objectionable in
one, and most dangerous in another point of view. He had
carefully read over the contents of this Bill now upon the
table, and he thought he was not expressing himself
too strongly when he said, that for the six and twenty
years he bad sit in that House he had never seen
a measure which was proposed for the adoption of
either House of Parliament.—( Hear.) It appeared to him
the more objectionable as a permanent measure, giving, as it
did, so immense an influence and power to the Government.
He could not conceive that the circumstances of the county
to which this Bill was intended to apply, at all warranted so
great a departure from the constitution. He could not think
that any circumstances warranted the introduction of such a
measure as this, and he trusted that their Lordships would
pause before they consented to agree to its introduction. In
examining this Bill, he found that it cast an unwarranted stigma
on the resident gentry and unpaid magistaacy of Ireland, and
in their name and in his own, he protested against the whole of
this measure ; and he implored the House to pause before they
consented to adopt either the principle or details of this Bill.
It was no argument to say that former measures as coercive
and objectionable as this had been agreed to.—( Hear, hear,
hear.) It would be in their Lordships' remembrance
that those measures were temporary—that they were meant to
apply to particular districts, and to be removed when the cir-
circumstances that called for them were done away.. But
this measure was proposed to be permanent, and it gave the
executor a most extraordinary power. It was no answer to be
told that there was no intention to carry into full effect the
power whidh the Executive asked for, and which was con-
tained in this Bill. That might be so or not, and he was ready
to give every crcdit'to the Noble Lords opposite, but lie knew
the circumstances in which they stood. They were liable to
be moved by the pressure from without at one time and at
another by the spirit of the age; and as to Ireland, they were
under the controul and under the command of the Romish
faction, so that they were not their own masters to follow
the course they thought necessary. He had therefore no
confidence in the line of conduct pursued by his Ma-
jesty's Government in Ireland, and he believed he was not
saying too much when he said be was joined in that by
the great mass of the resident gentry, and that they were as
unwilling as he was to give those alarming powers which
were sought for in the enactments of that Bill. He had
a right to argue against it as he found it on their Lordships'
table. He was not bound by what might be intention, of the
Nubia Lords opposite, or the Noble Lo ds behind him, in
Committee, but looking at it as it came fro:n the House of
Commons, he would fearlessly confess that it 'vat the most
extraordinary specimen of the view of his Majesty's At-
torney-General he had ever met with; and lie truly be-
lieved that such a measure had never come from any
Gttorney-General before. The first feature it presented was
the ehormous patronage of various offices differing in grade.
differing in duty, and differing in the value, bat all of
of them subservient to the will and patronage of the
crown in Ireland. It gave a power to the Lord Lieutenant to
appoint 143 Magistrares at 4001. a-year. He had been told
by a Noble Viscouht opposite that it was his intention in the
course of that Committee to reduce the number, but he ( Lord
Roden) was speaking of the Bill as it came from his Majesty's
advise s in the House of Commons, and. as it passed that House.
He knew not, nor did he question, the objects of the
framers of the Bill in taking su:h a power to themselves ;
but it was natural for those at a distance to suppose that they
were appointed for some sinister motives, and that it was the
intention of Government to set aside the honest, unpaid, de-
voted Magistrates of that country, who had so long discharged
their high and important duties with honor to themselves, and
benefit and credit to their country. He found in another part
of th, Bill that the Lord-Lieutenant was appointed to be an
autocrat over that country nearly equal to the Emperor of all
the Russias—that he was empowered to raise a standing army
to any amount, without any application to Parliament— without
any sanction of the Privy Council, or any application from
the Magistrates, or persons best acquainted with the cir-
cumstances, and anxious for the preservation of the peace.
IL had not only the power of raising, but of paying that army
—first by a moiety out of the consolidated fund, and the other
from the grand jury cess of the county.. In addition to that
situation were to be
the magistrates who now had. the appointment of the con-
sa:eacibulaeisn,teadndwitiwihooms tohuegirhtltoocahlll
the
eollue were best
deprived of it, and it was to be thrown into the hands
of persons who were totally ignorant of the case. Ile might
be told, that in some parts of Ireland magistrates had resigned
that power ; but that was no argument that it we not a whole-
e
some and salutary control. He found the Bill unnecessarily
°wri'h o
increasing the expenditure to a very great degree, and doubling
the tax on the landed proprietors, who first paid their moiety
to the consolidated fund, and then their moiety. to the grand jury
assessment. He conceived it to be therefore a most unjust
proceeding. He objected
to it because it extended to all parts
of Ireland—to Ulster, where peace and tranquility reigned, as
well as to the three disturbed provinces of Leinster, Munster