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GENERAL POST-OFFICE, MAncn, 1849.—0 n and
after the Ist of April next, the following offices will be
opened for the issue and payment of money orders:—
Brynmawr, Brecknockshire; Llanrwst, Denbighshire;
NOwluwen, Sussex; Wandsworth, Surrey,

MONEY ORDERS.
TO TILL EDITOR OF THE SUY.
went, by order of my employers, On Monday
to Cavendish-str2et, to obtAn three c:ion9y crders. I
arrived at tWenty• five minutes to four by the office vlock,
a,.d Lund congr,ga.ted th, re eigia or 1;1110 perion.
After waiting ;.,tnxiou,ly twenty-five minutes, without a
chance of being served, the ca rk shut hi, little trap. %nd
" that no more orders would be granted that day."
I, with several others, went home to my employers,
having wasted their time without procuring that for
which I was sent.

Surely, Sir, the public deserve better treatment from
the Post-office authorities. Should you consider this
communication worthy of a space in your valuable
journal, you will confer a favour upon the public by
endeavouring to do away with a system which causes
them a great loss of time and sad disappointment.
I remain, Sir, you•s, &e.,
HENRY J. WYATT,
4, Cottage place, Alfred-street, Islington.

ASES Y IN WHITE-
CROSS-STREET PRI6ON.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.
Sra,—As your most extensively circulated journal
has done much in preventing fraud and promoting hu-
manity, under the operation of the debtor and creditor
laws, you will, I am persuaded, require no apology
from me in bringing under the notice of your rosders a
case of extreme misery that has just occurred to one of
the prisoners in Whitecross-street prison.
David Bidinead, the individual iu question, has been
long and seriously ill, so that the benevolent governor,
by the advice of the experienced surgeon, had caused
him to be placed in the sick ward. While there, one of
his eight children was then taken seriously ill, and he
expected ber death almost daily; another, aged 16, who
on Thursday night was apparently in full health, became
suddenly indisposed, and expired at six o'clock on Friday
morning. The bereaved father is without a shilling to
inter his daughter, and were he not sustained by a strong
belief in Providence, most likely would have perished
under his accumulated misfortunes. I have ascertained
that he attends Divine service not only every Sabbath,
but daily, and I am assured on the best authority that he
is a sincerely pious man.
Another case, in which aid is neither expected nor
would be received, may be mentioned as showing to what
extent of cruelty the present law of imprisonment for
debt may be carried. A gentleman, moving in the most
respectable circles, and not unknown in public life,
volunteered to give a judgment to relieve a
friend who had been in security for him, on
condition that such friend should be released
from an action pending against him, and that
notice of such judgment should be given before a war-
rant was issued upon it. The friend was not released;
no notice was given ; but as a highly intellectual daughter
of the gentleman who had given the judgment was dying,
the creditor, living in the same street, watched his op-
portunity, sent for bailiffs when the young lady was
dead, concealed them in his house, and seized his victim,
her father, in the agony of his bereavement, so that if
possible money might be extorted, or the father pre-
vented attending his daughter's remains to the family
tomb.—l am, Sir, your obedient servant,
London, March 26, 1849. PHILO-HOWARD.

CITY OF LONDON AND EAST
LONDON DISPENSARY AND BENEVOLENT
INSTITUTION.

A meeting of this valuable charity was holden on the
26th inst.; H. F. Richardson, Esq., was called to the
chair.

The CHAIRMAN announced that the institution was
progressing favourably, and stated that the 21st of
June had been fixed for the foundation festival. He had
the pleasure to state that the Marquis of Londonderry,
the Earl of Shrewsbury, C. W. Parker, Esq., and a
long list of influential personages, had agreed to become
stewards, whilst the Elrl of Glengall, the Earl of Stan-
hope, the Rigbtj Hon. and Rev. Lord Saye and Sele,
W. Grenfell, Esq., R. J. Tennent, Esq., M.P., B. C. L.
Bevan, Esq., Dr. flawtrey, Eton; J. W. Russell, Esq.,
and several other influential personages, had consented
to become vice-presidents. Numerous donations were
announced; amongst them were 50/. from J. W. Russell,
Esq.; V. S., 51. ; and 51. annually from the Rev. Dr.
Spranger; 31. 3s. annually from J. L. Russell, Esq.;
10/. 10s. from Thomas Farmer, Esq. ; John Pryer,
Esq.. 101.10 s.; from R. S. Holford, Eq., V.P., 251.
and 51. ss. annually; Charles Dixon, Esq., V.P., 50/4
the Rev. J. 11. Fisk, V.P, 201; J. Lahouchere, Esq.,
5/. 55.; R. Palmer, Esq., M.P., 5/.; Dr. llawtrey, V.P.,
101., &c. Ike. The Chairman further reported that the
premises taken for a dispensary, in Wilson street, Fins-
bury-square, were in every way adapted to the purpose,
and he was of opinion that the doors of the institution
would be thrown open in about a fortnight.
The CHAIRMAN then addressed the meeting, and in an
eloquent speech called attention to the fact, that although
many other excellent institutions existed for the relief of
the suffering poor, this stood alone, as having threefold
objects, namely, Ist, to give medical aid and medicine;
2d, to supply nutriment when recommended by the
medical officers; and 3d, to afford in extreme cases small
pecuniary aid to them on recovery. The speaker con.
eluded by congratulating the founders of this institution
on their being assisted by three medical men, members
of the medical profession, and trusted that their bene-
volent endeavours would be crowned with complete
success.

The meeting was then addressed by A. Curling, Esq.,
the treasurer; W. E. Heath&ld, Esq., A. Manhall,
Esq , J. Smith, Esq., and other gentlemen.
The medical officers, W. G. Carpenter, Esq., and
Henry Shaw, Esq., pledged their zeal in furtherance of
the objQct in view.

Mr:J. K. Whyte, the secretary, having disposed of
certain routine business, the meeting adjourned, thanks
having been voted to the Chairman.

HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE.
Coletti made his first appearance for the season last
evening, in the character or Carlo V., in Verdi's opera
of Ernani. The music of the part was originally writ-
ten for a baritone like Coletti (although Gardoni has of
late appeared in the part); indeed, we believe that Coletti
was the original creator of the part—be this, however,
as it may, he has frequently appeared in the part in
Italy, and always has produced an immense effect. His
version of Carlo V., last night, was magnificent; he
looked and acted the Emperor to the life. He was in
excellent voice, and his fine, deep, mellow tones, and in].
passioned style of vocalization, made of Carlo V. a great
part. Those who have not aeon Coletti in it can have
no idea of its capabilities. There were several encores
in the mune of the evening, and at the conclusion all
the principal artistes were called before the curtain.

HER. MAJESTY'S TIIEATRE.—Her Majesty's box
was yesterday evening occupied by the Duke and
Duchess of Norfolk, Lady Mary Howard, Lady Adeliza
Howard, and Mr. Egerton. In her Majesty the Queen
Adelaide's box were Lord and Lady F. Gordon Hally-
burton and the Misses Erskine. Amongst the company
were the Duchess Dowager of Cleveland, the Russian
Minister, the Swedish Minister and the Baroness Rehau-
sen, the Baron de Nieumann and Lady Augusta do
Nieumann, the Marquis of Clanricarde, the Marchioness
Dowager of Sligo and the Ladies Browne, the Marquis
of Abercorn, the Earl of Lonsdale, the Earl of Muns er,
Earl Besborough, the Earl and Countess of Malmesbury,
the Viscount Clifden, the Viscount Anson, Lord Sandys,
Lady Eddisbury, Lord Foley, and the Hon. Miss Foley,
Lady Shelley, Lady Paulett, Sir J. Townley, Sir J.
Bailey and Lady Bailey, Sir J. Flower, Sir G. Womb-
well, Sir T. Lennard and Lady Lennard, Lady Lake,
Sir H. Webb, Sir Richard Vivian, Sir J. Pierpoint and
Lady Pierpoint, Sir W. Clay, Lady Forbes, Lady Clay,
Lady F. Gordon, Sir F. Baring, Major-General Sir A.
Woodford, Lady, and the Misses Woodford, Major
Buckley, the lion. R. Curzon, Major-Gcneral the Hon.
H. Cavendish, &c.

ROYAL ITALIAN OPERA, COVENT-GARDEN.--Her
Majesty the Queen, accompanied by his Royal Highness
Prince Albert, honoured the performance with their
presence yesterday evening. In the Royal suite were
the Marquis of Ormond, the Duchess of Sutherland, the
Countess of Charlemont, the Hon. Miss Dawson, Lord
Alfred Paget, and Colonel Thuverie. There were also
present—Prince George of Cambridge and Prince Ed-
ward of Saxe-Weimar, the Sardinian Minister, the
Peruvian Minister, the Baron and Lady Augusta de
Nieumann, the Brazilian Minister, the American
Minister and Mrs. Bancroft, the Marquis of Lans-
downe, the Marquis of Stafford, the Marquis of Win-
chester, the Murchioness of Westmeath, the Earl of
Salisbury, the Earl and Countess of Malmesbury,
Baron Nicolai, the Earl of Belfast, the Earl and
Countess of Shelburne, the Earl Grosvenor, the
Countess of Essex and Miss Johnstone, the
Countess of Carnwarth, the Viscount Mandeville, the
Viscount Ebriogton, the Viscount Sidney, the Viscount
and Viscountess Dungarvon, the Viscount Exmouth,
Lord Bendlesham, Lord Ward, Lord Milford, Lord Tem-
pletown, Lord Suffield, Lord A. St. Maur, Lady Camp-
bell and the Hun. Miss Campbell, Lady Lister Kay,
Lady Quentin, Lady M‘Naghten, Lady Batemen and
Miss S:anbury, Lady Lush'ngton, Lady Webster and
party, Lady Morgan, Hon. Colonel and Mrs. Fitzgib-
bon, Hon. J. Fortescue, Hon. Theobald and Mrs Dillon,
Hon. J. Vivian, Hon. Mrs. Fitzroy, Somerset, Hon.
Colonel Liddell, Hon. Richard Howard, Hon. Gerald
Dillon, Sir William, Captain, and Lady de Bathe, Sir
Henry Webb, Sir Ralph, Ladies, and Mr. Lopez, Sir
John and the Misses Burgoyne, Sir Olney Wakeman,
Bart., Sir William and Lady Middleton, Mrs. Burrows,
Mrs. Hale and Miss Hale, Mrs. Roberts, Mrs. 011iver
Massey, Sir Jasper and Lady Atkinson, Sir Henry and
Lady Meux, Miss Burdett Coutts, Miss Mitchell and
party, General Campbell, General Forbes, &c.
ERRATUM.—In our Third Edition of last evening
the division on the Dublin Consolidation Improvement
Waterworks and Sewers Bill should have been given as
follows:
For the second reading... ...
Against it
Majority against the Bill
The Bill was consequently lost.
SOUTHAMPTON, WEDNESDAY MORNING.—The
Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company's
ship Ripon, Captain Moresby, has just arrived with the
East India and Mediterranean mails. Tjie Ripon brings
118 passengers; specie, value 35,000/.; and a large
cargo; also the captain and crew of the British barque
Town of Drogheda, which vessel was abandoned on 20th
March, 120 miles E. of Gibraltar. Her Majesty's
steamer Janus had arrived at Gibraltar. The 'Vin-
cent, Plumper, and Reynard sailed for England on the
the 16th instant. Exchznge at Gibraltar, 49i to 49i.
THE MAIL ROBBERIES.—THE CONVICT POOLE.
—We hear that Poole is nothing daunted by his sen-
tence. He was heard to say, "I played for a high
stake, and I have lost, but I am not such a foul as to re-
gret it. If I had the cane opportunity I should do the
same again." He paid great attention to the witnes:e;
on the trial, and wrote notes to his solicitor, suggesting
quektios, imegsautly. ,A► Tao pf paper, we should

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say, at le ;st was conFutned in this way. His wife was
not r.ffected on hearing the sent,.:.;ce. She was in c,-Jurt
the whole day.—Dcronyhire Chronicle.
NAVAL GOOD-!,ERV;CE PENS;ONS.—The two vacant
good-se vice pensions !t,ive 'e,pn hy the First
L., dof the Admit-ail u:i Cap:aiit E. 4t,i d, U. 8.,
F.ll S., and Cap ain Srr R., Lou 'navels. U. B , b,th
officers of L.ng standing and di,tinguislied servie,s.
AN EYRIE.--1,1 the eutumn of 1848, F. Mac-
kenzie, garacke.per to Applecr.iss, found a deserted
eyrie in the Kirnochewe forest, which contained the
bones of forty-six grouse, cleanly picked.—lnverness
-Coit r ler.

A correspondent of the Scotsman says that, in
consequence of the want of confidence in the direction
dispLiyed at the half-yearly general meeting of the share-
holders on Tuesday last, the whole of the old directors
of the Ayrshiro Railwaphave tendered their resignation.
EXTENSIVE FIRE.--About five o'clock this morning
a fire took place on the premises of Mr. Taylor, book-
seller, IV:terloo-place, near the Strand; but a few mi-
nutes had elapse,: after its discovery by the police before
the Chaudos street brigaee engines and lot-email had
arrived, speedily followed by others from the City and
the \Vest England Company. The engines were vi-
gorously worked, and by six o'clock all danger had
ceased. On examination the fire was found to live oti,
ginated from a stove-pipe having ignited th,, fl, ciring,
and must have been trnoulderirg the whole previous
night. Mr. Taylor is believed to be insuted iu some
London ellices.

•
D 1 ssrs.
Macdougal, of Inverness, the celebrated
Highland tartan tnanufgcturers, have now the waking of
all the Highland dresses for the Royal Family.
PRINCE ALBERT IN GLENESIE.—It will gratify
our readers to know that the Right lion. Lord Piunnure,
with his wonted generosity, recently offered to his R.,yal
Highness Princ,! Albert the privilege of shooting over
an extensive part of his Lordship's Highland domains,
which offer his Royal Highness has been graciously
pleased to accept.—Brechin Advertiser.

IMPERIAL P A RLIAMEN T.
HOUSE OF LORDS, March 27.
PETTY SESSIONS BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL moved the second reading of the
Petty Sessions Bill. Tho object of the Bill was to give
magistrates the power of holding courts of petty session
in cities and boroughs in the same manner as in counties,
so that cities and boroughs should possess the
same privileges with regard to the constitution
of courts of petty session as counties. Another
object of the Bill was to enable magistrates to
hire premises for the holding of petty sessions, so that
they might not be obliged to hold the petty sessions in
places of public entertainment, and be exposed to the
fumes of gin and tobacco. In the other House the only
objection was that this portion of the Bill was not com-
pulsory; but the Noble Marquis (Salisbury) objected to
the Bill that it gave to the magistrates the
power of hiring' a place for holding petty ses-
sions elsewhere than in places of public entertainment.
The Bill proposed to give to the Court of Quarter
Sessions power of ordering the erection, purchase, or
hiring of proper places for the holding of petty ses•
sions, the expense of which was to be defrayed out of
the county rates.
The Marquis of SALISBURY opposed the motion .
They would have to provide 750 places for holding petty
sessions, and these would cost at least 5001. each, which
sum would have to be defrayed out of the county rates.
He moved, as an amendment, that the Bill should be read
a second time that day six months.
The Earl of MALMESBURY also opposed the Bill,
on the ground of the increased burdens it would cast on
the distressed agricultural districts. It was not amo •
went, when the country was occupied with the great
question of local taxation, to bring forward such a pro •
position as this. They should not agree to give any ad-
ditional powers to the county magistrates until the whole
system was revised. He also thought that personal pro-
perty should be made to contribute to the burden, as
real property was compelled to do.
Lord CAMPBELL having replied,
Lord STANLEY said that so large a sum as 170,0001.
a year on a single county should not be permitted to he
levied by the magistrates without the control of the rate-
payers. Ile hoped, at all events, they would strike out
the clause which enabled the justices to provide accom-
modation for themselves, by erecting buildings which
might give rise to great abuses.
Lord BEAUMONT did not object to the provisions
of the Bill which extended the jurisdiction of the county
magistrates to cities and boroughs.
After a few words from the Earl of MAL\dESBURY,
The amendment was withdrawn, and the Bill was read
a second time.

The Out-door Paupers Bill was then read a third time.

AUSTRALIA.
Lord MONTEAGLE then rose to ask whether it was
the intention of Government to introduce a Bill during
the present session for effecting changes in C,e constitu-
tion of Australia ; and, if such intention wa, ent.:•rtainA,
whether the di,patches or other papers would be laid be-
fore Parliament, showing whether such chang, s have
been made known to the Council, and to her Majesty's
subjects in Australia ?

Earl GREY said he was anxious to introduce the Bit,
and with that view had endeavoured to obtain a relaxa-
tion of the rules of the other House of Parliament, but
had not succeeded. The pipers alluded to had been laid
before the other House of Parliament.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Mareli•27.
TRANSPORTATION TO SOUTH AFRICA.
(Continued from our Third Edition of last night.)
Sir G. GREY thought that the Hon. Gentleman al-
luded to the memorials, because he (Mr. Adderley)
should be aware that it was not the duty of the Govern-
ment to produce newspaper extracts. He would ask,
what was to be done with convicts if they were not trans-
ported. Ile was ready to admit that Lord Grey had,
without waiting fur an answer from the Governor of the
Cape of Good Hope, ordered our convict ships to that
colony from Bermuda; but when he found that the co-
lonists expressed their total dissatisfaction at such a pro-
ceeding, he did not persist in the continuance of that
order. It should be borne in mind by the House what
a vast increase there was in the number of convicts for
the last two years, and how justly his Noble Friend
(Lord Grey) had acted when he said that he felt im-
pressed with the necessity of sending convicts to the
colonies, as it was the wish of the British Legislature
that transportation should be continued. He would ask
what had Government left them to do when remonstrances
of the strongest character were urged by the Lord-Lieu-
tenant of Ireland, and by the resident magistrates, stating
that the gaols were filled to excess, and that all the avail-
able depots, Spike Island and others, which had been
used for the purpose of not transporting them, were
literally crammed with convicts. What, he would ask,
had Government to do but to send those convicts from
Ireland, amounting to 2,690 within the last two years, to
these colonies. He would next refer the Hon. Gentle-
man to the remonstrance of the Governor of Bermuda,
who stated that many Irish convicts who had been trans-,
ported to that colony, under charges arising from want
or insurrection, were deserving of a committee being
appointed by her Majesty, to send them, as holders of
tickets, to Au.tralia, because their subsequent conduct,
while under his supervision, warranted him to suggest
a mitigation of their sentence, and on that suggestion,
in his (Sir G. Grey's) opinion, very judiciously, Lord
Grey ordered their removal. Another letter from the
Governor of Bermuda, stating that many of the con-
victs under him had not yet arrived at man's estate,
twelve of them being under sixteen years of age, while
others had no other charge against them than teat
which arose from want or starvation, and that he did
not, therefore, allow them to work with the gangs. On
this letter Lord Grey, as became him, allowed the Go-
vernor to make the selection, according to his descrip-
tion, and he (Sir G. Grey) considered that those men on
whom the experiment had been tried would not be by
any means obnoxious to the feelings of the colonists, hut
would be rather beneficial to them and to themselves.—
(Here the Right Hon. Gentleman read a letter from the
Rev. Mr. Kennedy, Roman Catholic chaplain at Ber-
muda, fully coinciding with the opinions of the Gover-
nor.) He hoped, notwithstanding the exaggerated feel-
ings against those convicts which had been sent to the
Cape of Good Hope, that they would prove as useful
and beneficial members of society as those celoniste who
found their way there before them, through the s) stem
adopted by the Governor of dispersing them, and
through their obtaining employment. On beard the
vessel carrying convicts from Bermuda to the Cape, of
which he bud been speaking, was John Mitchel, who
had been convicted in Ireland last year of a political
offence. He had been provided with a leave ticket,
which he would be able to avail himsellof on his arrival
at the Cape, though from the last accounts of his health
which had been received, it was scarcely probable that
he would survive the voyage. Ile must remind the
Hon. Gentleman, when be went back to the early his-
tory of slavery, that it was only at the period of the
abolition of slavery in the West Indies, that slavery
was abolish( 1 in the colony of the Cape; that that colony
shared in the compensation that was then made for loss
arising from the abolition, and that a large transporta-
tion took place to Port Natal. He could only say that
he should deeply deplore their taking any retrograde
step in civilization, and that it was the earnest desire of
his Noble Friend to abandon every practice, as far as
possible, which tended to injure the prosperity of our
colonies and dependencies. The Government, indeed,
were very anxious to diminish the number of convicts
in the colonies, and on the other hand he believed that
the apprehensions of the colonists had been greatly ex-
aggerated. It was unfair to assume that the great ma-
jority of the criminal population of the country were
sent to the colonies. From a report which he held in his
hand, it appeared that the number of persons, male and
female, in Great Britain, sentenced to transportation in
the year 1847, was 2,726, the great majority of whom
were convicted at Courts of Quarter Session. The num-
ber actually transported, however, was only between
2,300 and 2,400; because a large number of sent( nc(s,
making up the difference, were constantly commuted,
owing to the ago or infirmities of some of the convicts.
During the same year the imprisonments in Great
Britain, under sentences passed chiefly by. magistrates,
amounted to 15 956. At the expiration of each term of
imprisonment the convict was received back into so-
ciety; and that being so, lie trusted it might not go
forth to the country that they got rid of their criminal
population by sending them out to the colonies,—
(Hear, hear.) They
,bore, indeed, nine-tenths of the
burden themselves.
So long as that system lusted, he
apprehended that no material mischief could arise to
the colonies; and unless they were prepack d to resort to
a general system of capital punishment, or of perpetual
imprisonment, he did not see how the power of trans-
portation was to be limit(d.
Mr. HUM said that before the Hon. Mt tuber re-
plied he wiehed to make a few observations. The ques-
tion simply was, whether they would continue to send
out convicts to a colony contrary to the wishes of the
population of that colony ? The Right Hon. Baronet's
explutition of the ease merely went to the iIICOATO-

; r nience in which the country w:1- placed in respect of
j trrinsportati et, without reeeeiee tin,. main point which
was r died by this motioti. IL seisi ihat they ought not
; to pu, the system of trare:rer!otien in the tray that was
complaieed of; and !fear,ther-fere, the House should
affirin tee resolteetel_ ;sit, eenete et liar evenine would
point out, he thoug! r. ;le. cessry of improving the
edute.tion and goner, I c,;ecii-ieu of those classes of
the peeple es hieh fur, seee the ru =jority of those con-
viete H hoped he eioel;; hive the assurance of the
Government that thi; s) eteiu OF transportation should
not be forced. But in this country there was no
public minister whose duty it was to investigate and
provide for these social exigencies. What were
they coming to ? With their gaols everywhere over-
flowing, their colonies unwilling to receive more con-
victs, and 7,000,000/. or 8,000,000/. annually spent in in-
struction—religious instruction, too— which ought to
have preventod the occasion which gave rise to so large
an amount of transportation, what was to be done? Ile
recommended the House to affirm the resolution sub-
mitted by the Hen. Member, iu the full belief that it
would tend to accomplish some of the improvements to
which he had a iverted.—(Hear, hear )
Major BLACKALL recommended a system of' con•
vict labour to be maintained, strictly under military
discipline. If that were established, he believed that
instead of being productive of mischief in the colony
of the Cape, it would prove a very great benefit to its
population.
Mr. AGLIONBY said, that in his opinion the Right
Hon. Baronet, the Home Secretary, had proved too
much; and as yet it was difficult to say whether his
proofs and admissions should be taken as binding,
either against the Government or the House. The pe-
tition of the colonists appeared to him a very proper
one, and he could scarcely believe that a respectable
body of colonists could express a wish to have con-
victs sent out to them.—(Hear, hear.) Some of them,
indeed, bent upon the accumulation of money, might
perhaps do so, but the general case was extremely ire'
probable; and if the Right Honourable Baronet were
of that opinion, it was a virtual abandonment of the
system of transportation. He firmly believed that it was
far better to turn the convicts loose in society in this
country rather than in the colonies, because here they
had a complete organization of the law and police, which
the colonies were comparatively destitute of. A more
dangerous system could not be put in practice than that
of allowing convicted felons to go loose in a small com-
munity, on tickets of leave. He might cite, as an illus-
tration of his view of the matter, a dispatch to Lord
Stanley, dated at Auckland, New Zealand, in the year
1843, and signed by George Clark, as chief protector of
the aborigines, whom he should not on this occasion have
quoted, had he not been confirmed in his statements to a
very great extent.—(Hear, hear.) The dispatch stated
very forcibly the baneful effects of the practice under
which the Parkhurst boys, who came within the scope of
the resolution, had been permitted to reside amongst the
natives. They taught the simple and credulous It
Zealanders, who harboured them and kept them in idle-
ness, to swear in English, and to write all kinds of ob-
scene names and phrases on paper, which they sent by
them to market as the price they were to demand for
their commodities. The system was undoubtedly one
calling for serious reform, and he trusted that before
long the reform would take place.
Mr. F. SCOTT wished to ask whether it was right
or fair to force convicts to remain in a colony, against
the will of the colonists, after their time of sentence was
expired ? It was one thing to send out prisoners as
holders of tickets of leave, and another to employ them
on public works. Of the latter the colonists did not corn'
plain, but if the convicts were continued in the colon,'
after the works were completed, and thus allowed to
contaminate the morals of the colonists, that circumstance
formed serious grounds of complaint.—(Hear, hear.)
Would it not hereafter be better to consider whether
the:colonists were to be liable to the continuance amongst
thetn of convicts 'as settlers, after the expiration of
their sentences, or whether it would not be fair, after
those convicts had been engaged on the public works,
and had worked out their time of sentence on those
works, to require them to purchase their passage home
—unless in cases whore the colonists expressed a desire
to receive them ? In Van Diemen's Laud three-fourths
of the adult population were convicts, or persons whose
sentences had expired. He was of opinion, with oral
right-thinking person, that it was not fair in England le
inflict the off-scourings of her own population on the Co'
lonists.—(Hear.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL did not mean to take AO
part in the present debate, were it not that he deemed it
necessary to correct a misapprehension of the Hon.
Gentleman the Member for Cockermouth, in reference to
an observation made by his Right Hon. Friend the Se'
cretary of State for the Home Department. The Hoe'
Gentleman semed toe of oinion that his Riht LIN;
Friend had stated that in caseps where colonists objectee
to receive convicts, no more were to be sent out to swel
colonies. Now that was not what his Right Hon. Friend
said. What he said was that he objected to giving any
expression to an opinion pledging the Government tt)
that course, because he believed if the terms of the we'
titan before the House were so framed as to include al
colonies, it might lead to the inference that the system
of transportation was to be altogether abolished. Flis
Right Honourable Friend objected to any such in;
ference. But in particular cases, such as the case 0'
the Cape of Good Hope, where there was 0
remonstrance from the colonists against sending
a large number of convicts to their colonies,
would not be right to continue sending them. That was
the opinion of the Noble Lord at the head of the Colonial
Department, and it was an opinion in which the other
members of the Government participated. Ile trusted
that the explanation which he had thus dome% it to be
his duty to give would prove satisfactory to Mr. Adder,.
ley, whose object was not to place any objectionable de'
claration on the books of the House, but rather to secure
that which was required by the Cape of Good Hope'
that transportation should r.ot be continued to the,
colony, contrary to the wishes and remonstrances of the
colonists. The general opinion was with respect t
persons who committed crime, that it was difficult
for such persons to procure employment on leavil
prison; and it was, therefore, thought advisable, 0
the expiration of their time, to send them to place,
s
where there would not be that difficulty. He remembered
a case wherein a man, who had received good and re;
ligious instruction in Pentonville, obtained employment
a shoptnan soon after his liberation; but some of 111
old associates found out his place, and gave informed°o
affecting his former character, and leading to apprehetr
sions respecting his honesty, and the consequence We 7
that he was dismissed; and it was to meet such ease
as that that the Government were anxious to make Pro-
vision.

After a short discussion, in which Mr. DISRAF,—
recommended his Hon. Friend to withdraw his motion
after the satisfactory explanations given by the Govern;
ment, and in which Mr. Hawes, Sir George Grey, 61i
Mr. Heyworth took part,
e Mr. ADDEULEY said, in reply, that having go-'fl d, h
the object which he had in view, and being satisfied wll
the explanations of the Government that it was not .
tended to force convicts on colonies against such reran.
strances as those from the colonists of the Cape of Goo
Hope, he had no objection to withdraw his motion.
The motion was accordingly withdrawn.

(
MINIS TES' MONEY lELAND).
Mr. PAGAN brought forward the R
motion of which
he had given notice respecting the payment of ministers
money in Ireland. It was a subject, he said, of great
importance to the clergy of the Protestant Church la
Ireland, and to the people of that country. The HOO'
Member then prucceded to read three letters which 111
had received on the subject from parties closely affected
by the question in Ireland. The first of those letters.
was from the incumbent of St. John's, Limerick. ."
represented that the people of Ireland were of opinion,
and particularly since the appointment of a Committeeci
that House to inquire into the subject, that
this tax must
be ab ilished. Thu letter farther represented that thA
clergy were unable to get their money, and unwillitja
to press their poor parishioners. That letter was date
31st of January last, and expressed a hope that lid
would bring the matter before the House. The sec°llo
letter was dated in March, and contained an expressicla
of regret at the answer of Sir William Somerville, ae.
a communication that the writer, the Rev. John Bids'
could not get any one to act for him in an endeavour
collect the money—not even a common process servo
The third letter was from a Roman Catholic clergulao
of the Franciscan Convent in Clonmel, and it stated that
not one of three of the order, after pay ing all necessary
expenses, were able to pay for a suit of clothes, an
asked, was it not hard that they should be called 1)1)°o
8
to pay " ministers' money ? " So that they WI t,f
testimony, on the one hand, of the incumbent of tart°
Protestant Church, and on the other of the WW
Catholic clergy, against this impost. When he last
brought the question before the House, heY stated that
a provision might be made on the subject of ministers
i
money out of the ecclesiastical funds, and he now begged
to impress the consideration of that opinion on the atter
tion of the House. There could be no injury caused to,
the Church Establishment by the abolition ofm "eisters
money, as the sum which it at present yielded—only
15,000/. in the eight towns in which it was collected
could be supplied out of the funds at the disposal of the
Ecclesiastical Commissioners. He contended that,
come 1!
as a matter of justice, the Government were bound to
forward and abolish the tax. He proposed, as
substitute for this tax, that the amount should
revenuewas of the Ecclesiss—
as the recommends'
the House. It iva
ttbiiecoani poafci doam outnaseisl
se
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nf
eCommittee This
o
true that the revenues of the Ecclesiastical Commis-
sion was not so great as they ought to be, but if a sale
of the Bishops' leases was to be in perpetuity, an incoree
would arise of 640,0001. He would suggest that this
sum should be made applicable to the 15,000/. a fear
which the clergy had from ministers' money. lie 'oar
prepared a Bill on the subject, and all he asked was,igt
permission to lay that Bill on the table. He coneltl
,„e
by moving for a Committee of the a hole House, to tall
into consideration the law relating to the rate or tae
called "ministers' money," in Ireland, with a _vicar to t"...1.
repeal of so much thereof as relates to the said rate3va
tax; and further, to take into consideration the fact 0
and 4th Will. IV., cap. 114, called the Church Teal:.
leaks Act, for the purpose of amending the same, s°oo
to provide thereby a substitute out of the revenues °l,sros
Ecclesiastical Commissioners, as a provision for the in
testant ministers in cei fain corporate towns in Irelander
lieu of the annual sums now received by them 11",., 7,
and by virtue of the Act 17th and 18th Car. 11., cap'
Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL seconded the motion. er
Mr. GROGAN said that minister' money was, c„er
thinly a statutory enactment, and Ives about 15,000 e fog
year. Because her Majesty's Government had fl..blia
years ago, for the purpose of preserving the 17she
peace, abolished one portion of the income of thol-3;t it;
Chutcb, a further atteck was now made upon '
the motionpropoi eel by the Hon. Member. Tb°,);st
admitted that there were inequalities in the tax, but for
was no reason why such a motion as that brought
ward should be agreed to. Be hoped Hon. Gent tieti.
would pause before they pre their assent to the Pi°