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provided that such friend be not a procurator, solicitor, Or any afrorded in the interval, betweed.ehe present and the next Ses-
legal person whatever. slots of Parliament, for the: investiitation of its provisions, by
Lord ALTHORP did not think that it would be of :Oven- dime whose interests were likely to be so. materially effected
tage to the public generally to allow the clause proposed by the by it.
Hon. Member to be introduced into his Bill. The poor man Mr. C. ll• HUTCHINSON cordially concurred in the sug-
would thereby be deprived of all legal assistance, and a gliat geetion of ids lion. Friend.
delay and inconvenience would be felt, by the parties not being Mr. KENNEDY would acquiesce, although with great re-
able to state their ease clearly to the Judge. i Inctance, in the request of his two -Hon. Fiiends, particularly
Mr. Ald. WOOD proposed a clause in the Bill, that nothing as he saw, from the advanced stage of the Session, that there
contained in it should affect the Mayor's Court, the Sheriff's was little probability of the measure passing into a law this
Court, or the Borough Court of Southwark, or the Courts of E year. Ile reminded the House, that he had not hitherto had
Requests in Lcndon, Southwark, or the Hundred of Britton. •en opportunity- to explain even the principle of the Bill.- There
The clause was read a third time, and added to the Bill by were several witnesses from Ireland in town, whose evidence
way of rider. lie proposed should be taken on the subject, and he should then
Mr. BRIGHT then proposed a clause that nothing in the content himself, with moving that the Bill be committed pro
Act should affect the Small Debts Court in the city of Bristol, forma, in Order to its being ordered to be printed and then post-
established by the 56 of Geo. 111. pored to next Session. . _ • - •
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The clause wasread a third time, and also added to the Bill Mr. C. GRANT thought that there was no possibility of
by way of rider. legislating effectively on the subject this Session ; full and fair
After a few verbal amendments, the Bill was read a third examinauon was necessary before a safe conclusion could be
time anti passed. • o. conic at.
A message from the Lords announced their Lordships' assent Sir J. NEWPOR'r was of opinion also that the magnitude
to several private Bills. ' of the question, and the local distance of many interested in it,
On the motion of Mr. ESTCOURT, the County Rates imperatively required postponement 'and ulterior inquiry.
Mortgage Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. B. COOPF_:It concurred in the postponement.
SCOTCH JUDGES' SALARIES. • Mr. TREMAINE expressed his thanks to the Hon. Mover
The LORD ADVOCATE brought up the Report of the of the Bill, and suggested that different periods for fishing
Judges' Salaries (Scotland) Bill. should he fixed for different rivers.
Lord A. HAMILTON said, lie intended on a future day to Mr. H. DRUM. Al ON I) approved of the postponement, but
move that it he read that day six months. thought any alteration as to the periods of closing the fisheries
Mr. P. MOORE (as was understood) spoke against the prin- impracticable.
ciple of the Bill. After a few words from Lord CLIVE, the Bill was com-
Sir J. NEWPORT thought that Government ought to take mitred pro forma—several amendments were agreed to, the
into their consideration the case of the Irish Judges, with a view report brought up, and the further consideration of it fixed for
to an increase of their salaries, and pot them upon the same that day three months.
footing, in thatrespect, with the Judges of England. . . -ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. -
Mr. R. MARTIN trusted the suggestion of the Right lion. Mr. II ER BITS gave notice that he should move•to.morrow
Bart. would be attended to. The Irish Judges were deserving that the House should then adjourn to 'Wednesday next.
of every consideration. He hoped his Right Hon. Friend would The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
make a specific motion on the subject _ House adjourned at a quarter past seven o'clock.
111 r. H. DRUMMOND wished to say a few words in favour
of Scotch -Judges, whose salaries lie thought ought also to be
increased.
After a few words from Mr. J. Grant, the Lord Advocate,
and Mr. Abercromby, the report was agreed to.
LEASING MAKING (SCOTLAND) BILL.
On the motion of the Lord Advocate, and after a few words
from Mr. Kennedy, the House went into a Committee on the
Bill. The several clauses were agreed to, and the Report or-
dered to be-received to-morrow.
QUARANTINE BILL.
Mr. C. GRANT moved that the House should go into a
Committee on the Quarantine Bill.
Sir I. COFFIN said, that he had devoted a considerable por-
tion of his attention to a consideration of the rise, progress, and
effects of . the plague. It had been originally introduced into
Valetta by a shoemaker, who, with his whole 'family, and about
1200 of the inhabitante, to whom he had communicated it, died
of it, while the physicians were considering whether it was
'contagious or riot.—(A laugh.)— Its consequences would, in all
probability, have been most lamentable, had it not been for the
exertions of the late Sir Thomas Maitland, who, with the
British officer in command at Malta, had undertaken measures
for its prevention, by drawing a cordon sanitaire round the
island. Indeed, so strict had those regulations been, that he
(Sir I. Coffio,) had been obliged by the Board of Health at
Malta to submit to a quarantine of 20 days, although in a man
of war. The Gallant Admiral concluded, by expressing
.his
conviction, that great caution was necessary to prevent the spread
of so frightful a disease, and referred to the conduct pursued in
various parts of the Continent where the disorder was prevalent,
to guard against its introduction. While he apptoved of some
parts of the Bill, he did not, with reference to this partictiler ob-
ject, think that it went far enough. - -
Lord BELURAVE was astonished that at this time of•day '
Gentlemen should be still deliberating as to whether the plague
was contagious or not. If proofs had been wanting upon this sub-
ject he might refer to the instances-brought forward by the Gal-
lant Admiral below him, of the conduct pursued by the natives,
for the purpose of warding off tins calamity. In Constantinople,
for example, the Franks, or Christian inhabitants, took every
precaution, by shutting their doors, closing. the'windows, and
shooting the cats,—(a laugh),—to prevent the communication
of the contagion, while the.Mahornetans, on the other hand,
(who looked upon the plague as a sort of sacred disease, and
thought if they died of it they would be entitled to an home-
diate admission -into Mahomet's bosom, or what the Matto-
metan devotee would perhaps consider Much - more desirable—
to the enjoyment of everlasting felicity in the arms of the
Houris,)—(a laugh),—took no precautions to avoid it. Al-
though he had not risen for the purpose of offering any opposi-
tion to the bill, he still thought that it would tend to obstruct
the commercial operations of this country, and for so saying he
had the authority of an eminent Levant merchant, who, though
he had declared that he would make a sum of between four
and five thousand pounds by the passing of the bill, had yet
too much public spirit to conceal hie opmios. Under the ope-
ration of the present quarantine laws, although the merchant
might be subject to some inconvenience and loss of time, it
was nothing to the trouble which a lax system would subject
him to from foreign power's. He could hardly imagine what
object the Right lion. Gentleman could have in pressing this
measure, unless he had some favourite scheme of a Joint Stock
Companydn burial-grounds in contemplation.—(A
Under these circumstances, he (Lord Belgrave) had thought it
his duty to offer a few remarks, and if they were productive of
no good effect, he should at least have the satisfaction of think-
ing that he had, like-the prophet of old in the wilderness, lifted
up his voice between the living and the dead.—( Hear !)
Mr. BERNA I, did not think that the regulation of the
Right Hon. Gentleman would be found to have the effect which
he had anticipated. Although, he believed, there was little
probability of contagion being communicated through the
medium of dead wens' clothes, he thought the case was differ-
ent with respect to cotton goods, which were delivered by living
men. The fact of the plague being contagious had not. been by
any means decided, as was proved by the opinions entertained
upon that subject by Dr. Armstrong and several other able
physicians.
Mr. C. GRANT was astonished at the objections which had
been brought forward against this Bill by Hon. Members—
objections
which, he could safely say, did not apply to it.
The Noble Lord had asked, what were the motives of the
framers of the Bill ? Ile (Mr. C. Grant) would tell him.—
Last year the Committee of Tradedof which he was one, had
been much occupied on the subject of the Quarantine Laws.
Many complaints had been made to them respecting the
severity with which those laws had been adminietered. In
consequence of the representations• which had been made- by
mercantile men of the injurious effects of these.letwen arising.
from the expence, inconvenience, and delays, which were at-
tendant upon them, he (Mr. G.)' in conjunction with other
Honourable Members of the Committee, had thought it his
duty to take the subject into his consideration. The result was
the present Bill, and so far from assuming, as the Noble Lord
(Belgrave) seemed to suppose they had done, that the plague
was not contagious, they had, uponehe,contrary, in all they
had done, been actuated by a contrary supposition. They had
consulted those physicians who were known to hold the opi-
nion that it was contagious-e-(Sir G. Mane for example)—and
they had excluded from examination all those physicians who
were known to maintain a contrary theory. The Committee,
in pursuance of this line of conduct, had asked, not whether
the plague was contagious or not ;• but assuming it to be con-
tagious, whether means might nut he taken to alleviate the
severity of the Quarantine Laws ? With this feeling they had
acted ; and in ail their. views, they had been directed by no
other metitre than a desire to promote the conimercial interests
of the country.
Mr. BERNA L explained. He was more anxious to re-
commend caution, than to express opposition to the measure.
Lord BELURAVE also explained, and concurred with the
Hon. Gentleman who spoke last.
Mr. J. SMITH was favourable to the principle of the Bill,
believing that many of the precaetione •at present in force were
unnecessary, and useless restrictions on commerce; but the
whole subject was surrounded with difficulties, the greatest of
which arose out of the differences of opinion between medical
men upon it. The physicians examined lest year before the Coro-
mince agreed only on one point, that the plague, was contagious.
The French physicians were, if possible, still more divided
than their English brethren, With this difference, that the most
eminent among them held that the plague was not contagious.
The Hon. Met-abet concluded by payisig a high compliment to
Dr. Maclean, for his devotion, intrepidity, and-perseverance in
his researches. •
. Sir I. COFFIN explained. •
Mr. TRANT, having resided long in the East Indies, beg-
ged leave to express his opinion (founded on experience) diet-
' the plague was highly contagious, and, moreover, that it was
not confined to certain limits or districts. Ile was likewise
fully convinced that, the cholera morbus, which made such
havoc in the East Indies, was also contagious; it had already
worked its way into Persia, and, he faared, might yet reach
England.
The Report was'then brought up and read, the amendments
were agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-
morrow (this day).
On .the motion of Mr. C. GRANT, the Church Rates (Ire-
land) Bill was ordered to be committed to-morrow.
SALMON FISHERY BILL.
Mr. ABE RCROMBY hoped his Hon. Friend. (Mr. Ken-
nedy) would not press the -Salmon Fisheries Bill during the
present Session. It was a measure of great importance, deeply
affecting Ireland, and not understood there. He trusted his
Hon. Friend would, therefore, content himself with going into
'Committee on the Bill, in order to render itas complete-as pos-
sible, after which it might be printed, and an opportunity

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Joris, 190 (lie Maii, 1 89-5-
MESSAGE from the LoHns—That they have agreed
Ashton-under-Lyne Gas Light, &.c. Bill ; Carnarvon Rail-
way Bill ;• Chelsea Church Bill ;' Greenhill Moor, • Hudders-
field and New Hey, and Meltham and Wessenden Head
Roads Bills ; Stockport Waterworks Bill ; and Stratford-le-
Bow ChUrch-vard Bill, without amendment. •
RoAps—Crewli:erne—Bill reported, to be ingrossed. Doncas-
ter and Thorne—Petition from Hatfield, Yorkshire, against

—referred to. the Committee on the Bill, Counsel ordered.
Co at PAN I Es—Western Ship Canal—Petitions of Occupiers of
Land in Devonshire and Somersetshire, and Rev. D. Davies,
against—referred to the Committee on le Bill, Counsel or-
dered. Equitable Loan Bank—Bill reported, to be in-
grossed.
PAY oL—Leamington Priors. Petition of the Warwick Gas
Light Company, against—referred to the Committee on the
Bill, Counsel ordered.
NA viGAT N---Clyde—Bill reported, Report to lie on the table.
lscr.osunE—OrsettlEssex) 1 Bills reported, to be
Br-MOE—Chester ingrossed.
RAILWAY—West Lothian—Bill read a second time, and com-
mitted.
Po LICE AND IlAanotm—GreenOck—Petitioni, against, (pre-
sented May 11)—referred to the Committee on the Bill,
Counsel ordered.
NAT u n ALIZ-ATlON—Brandt's
C'IIEIAEA Gl-I nE LANI Bills read a first time. •
EVTAT —3laeGregor's
Co AN Laws—Petition from NV elford and Boxford, against

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any alteration therein—to lie on the table.
FOREIGN LlNEN—Petition from Cupar of Fife, &c. for a
protecting Duty on the importation of—to lie on the table,
SALMON Fisnlacy Bit. r.-Seven Petitions, against—to lie on
the table; further consideration of Report put off for three
months; Bill, as amendei. to be printed.
COAL MTH:a—Petition from Berwick-upon-Tweed, against
—to lie on the table.
BIJTT TRADE (Ireland)—Petition from Dublin,- in favour
of an alteration in the Laws relating to—to lie on the table.
AlAREET—Tiverton •
Cot; Y COU RTS Bills read a third time
and passed. • 7
COUNTY RAT ES MORTGAGE
SA Lam ES TO Juncp:s, etc. (Scotland)—The following Reso-
lotions reported, and instruction given to Committee.on Scot-
tish Judicature Bill, to make provision accordingly :-
1. That in case his Majesty shall appoint two Judges of the
Court of Session to be additional Judges of the-Jury Court,
such Judges shall he paid the sum of (IOOt. per annum, in the
same manner, and out of the same funds as the salaries of
the other Judges of the Jury Court are now payable.
2. That if any Depute or Assistant Clerk and Closet-keeper,
or any other Clerk or Odicer in the Court of Session, or any
Clerk or other Officer in the Court of Teinds, or in the Court
of Admiralty in Scotland, shall make it appear to the satisfac-
tion of the Barons of the Court of Exchequer in Scotland, that
he has sustained any pecuniary loss in consequence of any Act
of this Session of Parliament, the said Barons be authorized
to award compensation to such Clerk or other person aforesaid.

ORDEIIS OF THE DAY FOR 'MIS DAY.
1. Juries Bill-Further consideration of Report.
2. Transports in the Colonies Bill-Committee.
3. East India Judges Bill-Committee.
4. Distillery Bill-Further consideration of Report.
5. Supply-Report(2sth April) Postponed Resolution.l
6. Canada Tenures Bill-Farther consideration of Report.
7. British Consuls Bill-Second reading. •
11. Cotton Mills Regulation Bill -Committee.
9. Customs Laws Repeal Bill- Further consideration of Report.
10. Customs Management Bill-Further consideration of Re-
port.
11. Navigation Laws Bill-Further consideration of Report.
12. Customs Regulation Bill-Further consideration of Report.
13. Smuggling Prevention Bill-Further consideration of Re-
port.
14. Goods Warehousing Bill-Further consideration of Report.
15. Isle of Man Trade Bill-Further consideration of Report.
16. Registry of Ships Bill-Committee.
17. Colonial Intercourse Bill-Further consideration of Report.
13. Townland Boundaries (Ireland) Bill-Committee.
19. Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill-Second reading.
20. Felonies Counsel Bill-Second reading.
21. Exchequer Bills (PUblic Works, Ireland) Bill-Third
reading.
22. Judges Salaries (England)-Report thereupon.
23. Small Debts (Scotland) Bill-Third reading.
24. Wrongous Imprisonment Bill-Second reading.
25. Small Tithes Bill-Committee.
• 26. Exchequer Court (Ireland) Bill-Committee.
27. Supply-Committee.
20. Ways and Means-Committee.
29. New Streets Act Amendment Bill-Third reading.
30. Supply-Report.
31. Canada company Bill-Third reading.
32. Judicature (Scotland ) Bill-Further consideration of Report.
33 Leasing-making (Scotland) Bill-Report.
34. Aliment of Prisoners (Scotland) Bill-Report.
35. Quarantine Laws Bill-Third reading.
36. Lunatic Trustees Bill-Committee.
37. Churches in the Lowlands (Scotland)-Committee time-
upon.
33. Courts of Justice Building (Scotland)-Committee there-

upon.
30. Customs Consolidation Act--Committee thereupon.
40. Glass Acts—Committee thereupon.
41. Cruel Treatment of Cattle Bill— Second•reading.
42. Land Tax Assessments Bill—Third reading.
43. Excisc on Sweets Bill—Committee.
44. Customs and Excise Bonds Bill—Committee.

NOTICES OF MOTIONS FOR THIS DAY.
1. l‘lr. Goulhurn—Remaining Irish Miscellaneous Eitimates.
( In Committee of Supply.)
2. Mr. Brougham—=Motion for the better securing the practi.
cal independence of the Judges.
3. Mr. Charles Grant—Bill to regulate Rates of Pilotage.
4. Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer—To move the adjourn-
- inent of the House till Wednesday next.
NOTICE GIVEN YESTERDAY.
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Thursday, May 26.
Mr. Spring Rice—Copy of Dispatches- received from the
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.

- SUDDEN DEATII.—We have again to relate
another of those melancholy instances of sudden mortality
which appear to have been so prevalent recently. On Tues-
day morning last,
-lIAPMAN BARBER, Esq. of Chancery-
lane an eminent Solicitor, well known and highly respected,
both, in the profession and by a numerous circle Of friends,
complained, Whilst breakfasting with his family, of indisposi-
tion, and retired to his drawing-room, hoping that a little
exercise by walking about 'might relieve it, but he had not been
there many minutes before his family were alarmed by hearing
a fall ; his daughter immediately ran into the room, where she
found her father ektended on the ground insensible. Medical
assistance was immediately called in, but the vital spark was
extinct, thus sheaving how precarious is life, and how little we
know what a day may bring forth.