The Sun.
London, England, 1838-03-07 00:00:00

Hon. Baronet and his Noble Friend the Member fur Not th
Lancashire would have to give up their opposition to the
laillon box, and to abandon Came:a to the tendsr mercies of
Mr. Pepinean and his ally Mr. 'Alt Kenzie.—( Cheers.) Ilow,
then were those pieties to act ? Canada and Ireland were
elike to be abandoned for the sake of following in Westminster
the example of Mary leboec.—( Loud cheers) For the sake
ea securing a union of the two err( mos, they were to declare
them elves against the only questiou urn se- Lich men could
act with fairness and justice to the two countries. He said
that the motion of the Hon Barenut, if well founded, was
misplaced on the question of Canada, and he must add that
it was not only unieunded, but also unseasonable. Why did
not the lion. Beronct propose the removal of the proseut
Government before the Canada Bill was passed ?—( Hear,
hear.) Why, if the lion. Barenet thought that the Govern-
ment was unfit to administer Colonial affeirs in ordinary
times—why did he invest the same Government with the
dictatorial 'towels that had been conferred by that 11111?
The Hon. Baronet, the Momb r fur Leeds, might say,
.hat he had opposed the Bill—lie knew that the Huitourahle
Baronet had done se ; but then let them see in what contra-
diction It • had involved himself. The Hon. Bassinet chase to
oppose the Bill when he knew that he had not a hope of pie-
venting its passing. Did he not see Hon. Gentlemen oppo-
si e support the Bill ? Did he not find them to state that the
Bill had their support? If the Hon. Baronet wanted to pre-
vent the Bill from passing, why riot propose the removal of
the Government before the vote had passed ? He did no such
thing ; hut while the vote was pending, he opposed the Bill
and Isfc the Government unassailed ; and, r.o.v that the Bill
had passed, ho left the Bill alone and attacked the Govern-
ment.—(Hear, hear, hear.) He allowed the workmen to
finish the work, and, when it was concluded, then he would
remove the workmen without venturing to touch the work
( Hear, hear.) Bat then he said he would place them in bet-
ter bands. In whose hands was he about to piece the execu-
tive powers? Why, he was about to place his executive
'sewers in the hands of men whom he had stated, not four months
ago, that the prospect of their secession to office was a black
and dark prospect indeed.—(Cheers and laughter.) He
could not but say that such a course as that pursued by the
Hon. Baronet was one that was perfectly inconsistent—( Hear. )
—and he must tell the Hon. Member for Leeds, that if he
were ambitious of becoming the leader of a party, he must at
least improve himself in a knowledge and practice of Parlia-
mentary stratagems.—( Laughter.) He said, then, that it
would be a task of supererogation in him to attempt to refute
charges which had, in fact, refuted themselves. He said that
they (the Government) considered this as a motion plainly
and avowedly for the removal of the Government—( Hear)._
and they would not accept it as a motion only as against Lord
Glenelg singly —( Hear, hear.) He would not meet the 'no-
tion by any indirect course—such as by moving " the pre.
vious question."—(Cheers, which were responded to by Mem-
bers on the Opposition Benches.) He should meet it with a
plain and simple negative.—( Loud cheers.) He should meet
it with a plain and simple negative, as a motion simply, plainly,
and unequivocally calling upon that House to declare that it
had no confidence in her Majesty's present Government.—
( Hear, hear.) lie begged of the House thus to treat the mo-
tion, and thus to view it in its true and proper light.—( Hear,
hear.) He begged to conclude by stating, that it was his in-
tention to vote against the motion. The Hon. Baronet wished
the House to conic to a direct vote. He, to avoid that, should
not have recourse to any of those Parliamentary means which
the Hon: Baronet seemed to expect he would resort to—he
should simply and plainly say " No" to the lion. Member's
Address.—( Cheers.)
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Canada Mr. HALL was anxious to take that early opportunity of
stating the reasons on which he should ground his vote on
the present occasion. Its reference to what had falleu from
the Noble Lord who had just sat down, he considered it right
for his own justification to state, that he (Mr. Hall) did not
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he could not help regretting that his Hon. Friend had not
taken the course which he generally adopted, of meeting every
matter in the most open, manly, and straightforward manner.
In levelling an attack against his Noble Friend at the head of
the Colenial Department the Hon. Baronet had taken, if not
an unjust, at least an ungenerous course.—(Cheers.) The
Noble Lord was merely a part of the present Government ;
his conduct was sanctioned by his colleagues, and, if censure
was applicable to one, it equally applied to the whole of the
Ministry ; and the motion, instead of being directed against
an individual, should have been framed so as to include all
those who were parties to that policy which his Hon. Friend
desired to censure.—( Hear, hear.) In the annals of
Parliament it was difficult to find any precedent for a
motion like the present. The instance most similar was
that of Mr. Fox in 1779, when that Right Hon. Gentleman
introduced his motion against the conduct of Lord Sandwich.
But then, again, how different was the situation of Mr. Fox
to that of his Hon. Friend. Mr. Fox was the leader of a great
and influential party in the House ; he was the chosen organ
for the expression of their sentiments ; he was the leader of a
large minority directly opposed to the Government of the day ;
and with all deference to his Hon. Friend, ho must say, that
he stood in a very different position from that which the Hon.
Baronet occupied, whose only support would ensue from his
strongest political opponents.—(hear, hear.) Mr. Fox also
at the time he impugned the conduct of Lord Sandwich, took
special care that a similar motion should be brought forward
in the House of Lords when Lord Sandwich himself might
answer the accusations brought against him ; but had his Hon.
Friend taken care that such should be the case in the present
instance ? Had he found any individual Peer, Noble or
Learned, or both, to bring forward this same question in the
House of Lore's ?—( Cheers.) With regard to the motion be-
fore them, the Noble Lord who had preceded him had en-
tered at some length into a defence of Lord Glenelg and the
Government, hut he (Mr. Hall) desired to confine himself to
the consequences which would ensue if this motion were car-
ried ; and ente.rtaieing opinions upon many subjects in coinci-
dence with those expressed by the Hon. Baronet, he would
ask his Hon. Friend, supposing the motions were carried, did
ho think they would gain anything by placing in office those
against whom they were most diametrically opposed.—
( Hear.) For his part he could not vote for the present
motion ; he could not agree in a proposition, the natural con-
sequence of which was to displace the present Government in
order to replace it with the Gentlemen sitting opposite. lie
could not think that the opinions he entertained were more
likely to be carried nut by the Tories than by the present /Will-
nistration. Did his lion. Friend suppose that if the name of
Lord Melbourne were expunged front the list of her Majesty's
Councils, that they should derive any advantage from the sub-
stitution of that of the Noble Loeil, the Member for North
Lancashire, in his place? Did he think this would be a
change fir the bettor ? And yet this would bit the probable
consequence of success attending the present motion.—( Hear,
hear.) Aud with respect to Ireland, his Honourable Friend
would surely not maintain that the conduct of the Noble Earl
at ti c head or that Government had not been productive of
the greatest blessings and the greatest satisfaction to its inha-
bitants, or had not been marked with the strictest justice and
impartiality. He was not prepared to place the reins of power
in the hands of Gentlemen opposite ; he would not sanction
by his vote the dominion of the Orange faction again in Ire-
land.---( Hear, hear.) And believing that Lord Mulgiave's
Administration was good, he would not support the return to
power of that individual whom Lord Mulgrave succeeded, and
one of whose first acts was to raise to the office of Privy Coun-
cillors some of the most violent Orangemen in that country,
and over whose head, when he appeared in public,
orange flags had waved in token of his devotion to the cause
of which they are the acknowledged symbols.—( Cheers. ) If
he believed that this motion would have a contrary effect to
that which he anticipated—if instead of bringing in a Tory
Government it would produce one of a more liberal de-
scription, calculated to give flesh vigour to those liberal
principles which his Honourable Friend and himself enter-
tained in common with each other—he would follow a very
.ditT rent course. But believing, as he did, that the motion,
if carried, would unquestionably have the effect he dreaded,
he would not be guilty of such dangerous, or such miserable
double dealing as to support a vote which would first bring
the Tories into power, and then become a party to passing
another vote, that they were 001 h unworthy of the confi-
dence of the country.—( Cheers. )
Lord SANDON thought th.tt his Noble Friend the Secre-
tary for Foreign AtT,irs hal put the question upon its proper
basis.—( Hear, hear.) Ile agreed, too, that this was a kind
of motion which ought not to be directed against an individual
Member of the Government.—( Hear, hear.) lie did not
think it was highly constitutional or highly convenient, aid,
above all, lie dad not think that it was just to have an address
such as was then before them directed against a single indi.
vilual. lie had personal real ins which made it impossible
for him to support it. Having the pleasure of knowing the
Noble Lord, it was impossible for him to agree to such an ad-
dress. Every man who was acquainted with the distinguished
tilente, the high abilities, and the admirable private life of
that Noble Lord, must feel it to be impossible to consent to be
a party to the attack thus made upon him.—( Hear, hear.)
lie had heard nothing which could be imputed to the Noble
Lord as a personal charge ; there was a mere general charge
of mad-administration. There was no charge of malversation.
There was no one fault said to have been committed by the
Noble Lord that was not one in which the whole Cabinet had
It was the. general policy of the Government
concurred.
which the lion. 13eronet had attacked upon this occa-
si et. For instance, the resolutions of last s ear—they had
list been introduced by Lord Glenelg, but had been bi ought
forward by the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Home De-
partment.—( ilear.) The
sought—end very in,sought,
turall indeed they did not dis-
guise their wish—that the House should, by a direct negative
.0 the address, give its approbation to the ponce
y they had
pursued. He could not consent to the Address—he could
not accede to the latter course,. Perhaps the Noble Lord
did not deem it safe or convenient to ask for a direct vote of
approbation.— ( • Hear ) They were then forced to express an
opinion He was
• not a party to extreme political measures;
but at the same time lie felt that when there was a question
before the House which was line upon which his constituents
had the deepest interest, he was bound to speak out. He
knew of no part of the empire which had so deep an interest
in the maintaining a proper connection with their North
American Colonies as the town of Liverpool... 4 Hear.) It
was curious that between the third and routeh part or the
trade of Liverpool, ether than that by the coasting line, was
carried on with their North American colonies. Those, then,
engaged in that trade had requested him to direct his most
anxious attention to the maintenance of the connection with
their North American colonies. Having formed a decided and
distinct opiaion, and one which was in accordance with the
opinion or his constituente, he believed he should not discharge
his duty if he did not express those °mop fO-17,—(Hear.)
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