The Sun.
London, England, 1813-04-14 00:00:00

CONE::U.INCE THE .AID

The Order or the Day f•>r the co:.siderltho
Of the Prince Regent's Message, ou thi. subject,
being read,

The Ii trl of Liverpool rose to :nove a corres-
rondent Alicess to is lighue is the Pence.
Re ;eta, on time oecnAon th lie ob-
served, that the to :mic. the lioval f!om-
munication reftvred, Was ibStV:lt;:tlij the same
as that which v.-a: adopt- Iby miesty's Go-
vernment, and -oueurt in !)a• ,ament, for
effectual :inti most .Iv_atai assistance
to the '.i.overminm,nt of fit it•wls
unnecessary to take up L ps' time by an
enumeration of the va!iolms ons„ierations that
gave rist to the propu A s -W would,
however, say, there wo nee or an in'Aminee of a
subsidy granted to any Power, where a greater or
more effectual* exertion of the Malls of that
Power bad been neode than in theease before them.
Great and powerful exertions may have been made
in o.ner instances ; but in that under vonsidera-
tinn, under the system which had heel) for sonic
years 'past adopted, the Portuguese Government.
had been enabled to create and establish is military
force, which vied even with the force of Great
Britain itself in bravery and discipline, and in
every advantage belonging to an .army. He would
not trespoe farther 40 their Lordships, hut
simply move an Address to his Royal Highness the
Prince Regent, assuring him the lion ,e was high-
ly Sensible of the important Avnutages which re-
sulted from the aid afforded by his Majesty to the
Portuguese Government in the list campaign.; and
that their Lordship: would cheerfully concur in
measures to enable Ills Royal Highness to con-
tinue time same support to that Government in the
present year, and to eaasle the Allied Powers to
make additional exertions in the Peninsula, in
furtherance of the common cause.

The Address which was to above effect being
read by the Loyd Chancellor, was ionnediately
voted by their Lordships uent. dis. and the House
adjourned till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF ammoNs,
TURSDAY, APnIL 13.
General MArrnew nresented at Petition from,
the County of Tipperary, praying the assistance
of Parthiment to carry into effect the Southern
Canal of Ireland.
The Petition was ordered 'to. lie on the table:
• The Bertmtda Trade Bill was read a third time
and passed.
The Scotch Creditors Bill Was committed, and
ordered to be engrossed.
' Mr. LITTLETOV moved for several accounts re-
lative to the number of seamen employed on board
British frigates on the AmeriCan station, since the
commencement of the present war.---The motion,
after a few observations from Mr. CnOKER and
Admiral MAnKHAst, was agreed to., -
WIIITBRIIAD wished to know if it was pos-
sible to make out ate account of the number of
seamen. taken from, American ships in any one
year?
Mr. CROKER said, there was no objection to
the production of sttch an account. The utters-
tron of the Admiralty had been dit•ected to it, and
it would be made out as soon as possible.
Mr. NVAITBREAD' wished to have such an ac-
count for the years 1810 and 1811.
Attrairal MAISKHAM moved for Returns of the.
volunteers and new raised men employed in the
ships on the American station,
they went am board, and the time at which they
left England. . dtewsng the time
COMMITTEg ON TUE. EAT •INDIA 'COMPANY'S
ItS.
Lord CasTr.eerAGH said,
that in this as well as
in other business, the House was mach embarass-

cd. The Committee Lad now sat for 1.--lortni;h:,
and the bnsiness tva., not th}re than half aiiished.
As he hoped there was no disposition to Crciiit!
unnecessary delay, a CommiLtee n ght Sit ov stirs
.uputi the business,. notwithstanding the adkl,rl-
- of the House. 'Every Gentleman hilt ,t
seen 0, it the attendance ott theCoinntittee„ AV•t.;
not hitherto vo lull as nit ,ht nave beech
He would therefore mov.., that a Comini!:.ee U
appointedsup stairs, to inquire into the at-fairs iY
the EaS3lia Company, and to report fro;n time
to time-such exalt:mations as they had tukt•ii.

A.liiittiAltßT:rHortNTON said, mat on t!,.2.
u,. 114; Fat lutiir. Co:iipany tit I,:acr vote stgai.it:,t.
this proc....eiling. Great belies-it is id arited trts(ll
the manlier of examibis)g i:s.a Co altil4tee vt
Ikr-se. it had rodueed a great
ill to flow -Cow - .

•Mr. BATI-ItINSy Denevi.-.1, that all, VOC eNatnin:!:
tions had not •yet,got into public C.c it»prt,!ssion
in °dared could not be NAIN • gi:ttat.
house wanted, W.a:, cue saip4ance of every Tiiitu:.;
that ciudd be elicited fvolo
'might as welt be. obiaitwO fah ‘a Comaffitee tijt
stairs.
•

Mr. ItERNEY tlnitiffht thot no question cottii[,
be of more.inipti;-::-Itiz.'e than' the tp.cstion
lug the (;.hatter. It deserved there-
fore 1,0 be eNautitv.4.l At: Ow Bar of the litut-q:
well as the Ingukry into the Widel.ereu 1117,pedi.ti;'in
or the Orders in Connell.. fie never saw an exa-
mination bei ter attended. Five or six flays w0!!'..1
hrintz the eNaluination to no end and it vv-as
North while for so short u time to aitet: theit mode
of Foceetlil3g.
Mr. PCLV:4)NIIy ronsiderei the Company in thi•
sit ttatimof tiefeothmts, and thercfwe he hot; .:;itt
that entry Wien, fair allowattee shoutti he granted
t . •

lits.Chmsterr.Lon of the net:in:car:7a said,
that the Compariy now was at the end of their
lease, and they canui to-that House as petitioncvs
foi` the tzoverninent of 60;000,000 of people, a:kti
.the eNeniSiVe trade to India. The question Wnri,
indeed; important; but was there any advantage
arisi:u; from an exatninaticin at this bar, that taav
not be had in airopen Coaunittee upstairs I • The
same proceeding had holt aflopted at the tiiae•ol
the examination int() the Slave Trade.

Mt.. GRANT thought the Company would be
.hardly dealt by If the motion were adopted ; he.
would therefore oppose it.
• Lord CASTLEREAGH could admit the propriety.
of suomittine the proceedings of iament to MI y
body of men, however respectable, out, of Pasha •
went, for their approbation, and thercfOie ei.114(1
not nonseLt -to regulate them by the decision-
the Court of Directors of the .Best India Com--
pany. He thought it would ,e..! impossible to can),
on the examinations at the liar without ie.ory to.
the public service, and he knew of no advantage
likely to arise irons that wade of carrying them on
which wohld compensate fur the inconvenience
would occasion. In the case of the Weleneren
Es.pedition, it is true, the whole, of the examiaei-
tiuns told been carried on nethellur ; but lie thought
a Inquiry instituted uy the House, which %%cat
to inculpate the isitinisters of the Crown,
not with propriety oe carried on out or the flume.
If the examinatioos at the Bar were coutinued
and carried on, as they ,had hitherto been carried
on, and le oke into, its they mutt bti by rue im-
portant umtions which warted -come aCier
the recess,•he thought it woidd he impossi!.:il e 0
get the Alinutes of e.lvidence printed bet Ore t!a".:
attendance in the House eea,ed to he 60 see,
siderable as could be wished on an occasion so int-
portant.
An Hon. Member, whose name we could not
learn, approved of the motion.
Mr.l'oesolere contended that the examieatioei
ought to be eurried on as they had been begun,
at the bar of the House.
Lord CASTLEREAGH, at the outset of the busi-
ness, had oot expected the East ludia Chnieitny
would have thought it necessary to call ewe vie
extensive body of evideuce to the saute facts Wit-
hout going to new matter. •
..
Mr. CANNING had regularly attended the Com-.
mittee, and had not come to the inquiry ,tv'(th
mind previouslyamade up on the subject, or • with
a disposition hostile to the East India Compaoy.
As a Representative of one of those places suppos-
ed. hostile to the interests of the East blur Com-
pany, but which in the end lie trusted would not
prove to be so, he had thought it his duty to at-
tend to.all the. details connected with the subject.
Several persons with whom he had conversed on
the subject of the proposition before, the Muse,
and who were interested lii the result of this in—
quiry, had expressed themselves perfeolly content
that the examinations should be carried .on above
stmrS, anti would he perfectly satisfied 'with the
decision at the itouse either way. The consider-
ation which matte him' consent to the motion for
a Committee was this : he felt that if they went
on with the examinations at the pace tiny he
hitherto kept, winch must be slackelied after the
recess, as me important ousiness tneu to come on
would so win their atteation, that they would not
be able to go into a preliniinary Committee. on
this subject ; if.they went on so, he •thought ibe-
fore the inquiry reached its ciwiti3-
they
•
rive at that period t):. the session when, or
convenience of all parties, it would bethought de,
sirable to make an adjournment of the
,stiblect to
a future session.. This, he apprehended, would
be attended with great iuconvenience,
.and for
this reason he should give his vote in favour of
the motion.

Alr. TIERNF.Y: said, a great difficulty was remov-
ed by the speech of the Right lionouralde
tlentan. As those with whom he had COlll-4 ,
and who were interested (fairly, interested)
question, had no objection to en ioquivy
carried on by a Committee up 'stair, their caNe
cotilti be there gone into, and then the East India
Company, 'who objected to their case being ear.
ried there, could be allowed to finish it at the hiv
of
1 tlu
ctt:lol'gieuttillittilltcjaeoul
mus‘iveoisibtte: wake ere
pltvt ootei
himselft it efteC erte'itinotti
it(sit:i ti
aisk' ;It se
tho Holiday's,
thathe
ig
days after the recess would suffice to 6rittlt:i'r).
ease to a conclusion. He put it to theta, was it
worth while to do what would to -
many appear all
unseemly act, to gain so little time ?
Mr. CANNING wished it be understootL that he
had not stated those of whom he had .spoken

oe 'trilling to carry their ease-up stairs, after the
CompanY had closed theirs at the bbr
e Ilnaase if he were understood to say that
ti ~.,•: were wi,linlr, under such circumstances, to
en.iy their case before a Committee above stairs,
he was apllrenengivf! that hereafter 'it might he
thought that that they had a de.,lre to do so. They
had merely expreiozed e,el that their
eftie, with that of the ERA. India Company should
be so investigated.
After a tew further observations from Mr. G.
Smith, Mt. Grenfell, and Lard. CaF.tlereagh,
division took place, when the numbers. were—

For the motion
Against it
Majority - SS

Colonel Monroe was then again Called in and
examined by the Co► mittee. I lis eyidence: gene
rally went to corroborate that which he had given
on the preceding day, and that which he had
given on a former day, and that'which had been
been obtained from other vittiqses-
The House having resumed, the Chairman-re:-
ported progress, and leave was given, in pursu-
ance of the former vote oohe evening, to appoint
a select Committee to roceed with the examina-
tions of witnesses.
• A wish having been expressed to terminate the
evidence of Colonel Monroe in the house to-nn.-
-row, considerable ditflienlty occurred-in coming to
aft arrangement which would have that effect at
Tenth it ‘vas accomplished by raising a question,
anti adjourning the debate on the appointment of
the Committee.

Mr. CANKMO presented several petitions, from
Liverpool; on commercialsubjects.
Sir J. NRWFORT rose, pursuant to notice to
move for a Bill or Indemnity to Ministers for a
breach -of the Act relative to the Customs of
land. '

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.;iir.J.7.:s.7l,,wpoaT having given notice some days
ago,-that be intended to move for a Bill of Indem-
nity fur the Lords of the Treasury in 'lreland, on
account of a xiolation -of -certain laws. 7. respecting
Light-house Dati,es ; now stated that he had
not been able-to find any instance of a Bill of In-
demnity being brought in f..r the violatipu of a law
during the session of•Paviiameilt.. He alsofopud
that he-could not have a Bill made put Aaithout
• carrying on the face of it an aspersion on a vote
of.the House : on these: accounts, he would not
Terse. verein his intention. •