The Sun.
London, England, 1838-05-03 00:00:00

COFFEE HOUSES.

Mr. PRIME gave notice of a motion fur the introduction of a Bill
for lieenbing coffee-houses

CHURCH PROPERTY.

The SPEAKER asked if any Gentleman had petitions to present on
the subject of Church Property; if so, the House was than ready to
receive thorn.

Sir R. INGLIS presented several petitions from places in Yorkshire
and Bedfordshire, praying against the application of any part of the
Church property to any hut ecclesiastical purposes.
Sir GEORGE CLERK presented similar petitions from Stamford,
amidst loud cheers from the Tories.

Colonel SIBTHORP presented similar petitions from the Isle of
Ely, and other places.
Mr. Kelly, Lord Sandon, Mr. Goulburn, Lord Ashley, and several
others, presented similar petitions, hut we rould not catch the names of
the places, on account of the noise in the House.

Sir F. TRENCH presented a petition signed by 2,000 British
Manufacturers, praying for the adoption of some measure to protect
their trade.

YEOMANRY.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said betbre he proceeded with the busi.
ness appointed for that evening, he wished to make a f...w observa.
tions upon another subject He found that, in consequence of the
debate that had taken place with regard to the Yeomanry, an impression
had gone ahroad tl:at it was the intention of Government, within some
limited period, say within a year, to propose the reduction of the
Yeomanry of the country. Now he could assure the House,
that nothing that had come from her Majesty's Government
tended at all to countenance such a proposition. His own
opinion was, that it would be better to constitute a militia force
on a basis more extensive than it was at present. Of course, if that
militia force was consolidated by means of an Act of Parliament, it
would hereafter come to be a question whether it would be better to
keep up that force and the yeomanry together, but nothing that he had
said tended at all to imply that it was the intention of the Government
to put an end to the yeomanry altogether.
Sir It. PEEL was afraid the explanation which the Noble Lord had
given would not remove from the minds of many persons interested in the
maintenance of the yeomanry the impression under which they laboured
in consequence of the debate the other night. There might have been
an apprehension that it was the intention of Government to dis.
solve that force after a twelvemonth had elapsed ; but even
if that apprehension was removed, there would still remain
another unfortunate impression, because he thought the inference
to be drawn from what the Noble Lord had stated was, that if in the
case of an unforeseen disturbance, there should be an unfortunate
necessity to apply for some stronger force, the yeomanry would not be
that force.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL.—" What I stated the other night was,
that I thought one of the great uses of a Yeomanry was to pre-
vent disturbances taking place, from the knowledge that that
Yeomanry existed in the neighbourhood. What I stated further
was, that I thought in the case of a disturbance, it was far more advis.
able to resort to a regular force.—(Cheers.) Of course, I do not mean
to say, that if a sufficient number of regular forces do not exist In the
neighbourhood, it may not be advisable to resort to the yeomanry,
but I must still entertain the opinion that the calling in of the Yeomanry
is far more likely to continue ill.will and dissection in different parts
of the community thin the calling in of the regular force.—(Cheers )
Sir ROBERT PEEL—I beg leave to ask the Noble Lord of what
use will be the impression that there is a large yeomanry force in the
neighbourhood, if there is to be another impression that such force will
not be called out ?—(Loud Cheers from the Conservatives.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL--Now realty what the Right Hon. Gentle-
man has just said, makes it necessary for me to state what 1 had hoped I
had clearly stated before. Ido not think it is the most desirable
force to call out if disturbance exists ; but if there Is not
a sufficient force in the neighbourhood then the yeomanry must be re-
sorted to, although I wish another force should be in the neighbour-
hood.—(Loud Ministerial cheers )

CHURCH PROPERTY.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL, in rising to propose a Select Committee
to inquire into the mode of granting and renewing Leases of
the landed and other property of the Bishops, Deans and Chap-
ters, and other ecclesiastical bodies of England and Wales,
and into the probable amount of any increased value, which would be
obtained by an improved management, with due consideration of the in-
terests of the Established Church, and the present lessees of the property
said this was a subject of great importance, and one which had not been
brought forward in the presint Parliament; and he had therefore
at first thought it would be desirable to state generally the nature
of the propositions which had been brought forward by the Go.
vernment either in conjunction with or separately from the Eccle.
siastical Commissioners, with regard to the Established Church
of England and Wales. But upon further consideration he thought
that this would be inconvenient, as tending to mix up with the sub-
ject under their consideration other and various questions. He thought
that in bringing forward this subject, that which was rendered necessary,
by frequent appeals which were made to the public, representing the
Government as disposed to deprive the Church of that which legitimately
belonged to it. There was no proposition which had ever emanated
from the Government, which would deprive the Church, which
had hitherto enjoyed, of that income which belonged either
to hierarchy or to the lowest Curate of the Establishment. He would
now proceed to state shortly the anibunt of the revenues of the Church,
as stated in the returns of the Ecclesiastical Commission appointed
before the Government of Lord Grey came into office. By
those returns it appeared that the gross annual revenue of the
Archeriiscopal and Episcopal Sees was 181,6311; that the gross an-
nual revenue of the Cathedral and Collegiate Churches was 284,2411,
and the gross annual sepatiate revenues of the members of the
Cathedral and Collegiate Churches was 75,8541., and that the
gross annual revenues of the benefices was 3,197,225/ , making altoge-
ther the gross annual sum of 3,728,9511—(i-fear, hear.) Very nearly
the whole of those revenues were appropriated to those purposes—to
the repair of the cathedrals, and to pay other expenses properly belong-
ing to the Church. The net revenues of the Archbishops and Bishops
a counted to 160,292/., giving ass average income to each of 2,956/.
The annual revenue of the cathedrals and abbeys were 206,287. giving
tbr the support of each of the members on an average of 664/. (as we
understood). The net annual revenue of the benefices was
340,7241. Now, neither by the Act respecting the commutation of
tithes, nor by the Act providing for the dis; osal of the episcopal rove.
nues, nor by the Act which they introduced last year respecting Bishops
leases, had they (the Government) proposed that this gross income
of the Church should be in way diminished.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
Taking the increase which had taken place in many of the
rent charges. owing to the Tithe Commutation Act, and taking
also into account the fees which had been taken in places
where small incomes had been returned to the Commissioners,
he thought that the gross annual revenues of the Church •
might be stated at about 4,000,0001., or the nett annual revenues at not
less than 3,500,0001 That was the property which the Commissioners
proposed to distribute, still maintaining the Church in the possession of it.
Whether it is fit or right that the Archbishop of Canterbury acid the
Archbishop of Darham should have 20,0001 a year each, or that those
incomes should be diminished as the Commissioners recommended,
hr whether the Chapters shoted be reduced from the present num.
ber of twelve, down to four Members, as the Government had proposed.
This at least could not be doubted or disputed, that however the revenues
of the Church were to he distributed, that income, according to all the
propositions which the present Government had ever brought forward,
was continued to the Church, to be still the property of the Church.
for all the purposes of religious instruction, for which it was
originally confided to the clergy.—(Hear.) He must say, that he
should have thought, such being the case, some of the vitro.
peration that had born lavished on Ministers might have beer
spared, and those who • attended political divines might have stated
what really was the fact, instead of stating the direct contrary.—
(Cheers.) Supposing it was said there should be no reform in the Church:
amid ecclesiastical matters, the sum arising front Church Leases
might be made productive of great benefit to the Ceurch. It
was said if the property of the Church was directed by Act of
Parliament into other channels, it might be appropriated to carry on
the war in Canada, or any other secular purpose.
(LEFT 11PgAKIN1i.)

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EARL ST. VINCENT'S LOVE OF ENERGY.—He
was fretful if Ile saw anything done in a careless or slovenly manner,
whether at his table, or on service; and if he could not reclaim a young
man in these particulars, he gave him up. He could not endure to hear
of the word " trouble;" there ought, he said, to be ni) such word in the
naval dictionary. When any one said they could not do a thing they
were desired to do, he used to tell them to "rub out' can't' and put in
" He would forgive 'an officer for springing a topmast in carry-
ing sail; but never overlooked splitting a topsail in handing or reefing
it, because he said such accidents were the effect either of ignorance or
carelessness.—Brenton's Life of St. Vincent.

PITT'S CONDUCT AT LORD K !APPEL'S TRIAL.-
Mobs collected, riots ensued, the windows of unpopular persons were
broken. A lady of rank assured me that she actually saw Mr. Pitt
hims,lf break her windows. I doubted the fact, and am still sceptical ;
but the assertion itself seems to show the violence of party.feeling at the
tiMe. —Brenton's Life of St. Vincent.

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In the Pilot of Monday is published a lengthy
letter to Mr. O'Connell, from his quondam friend and eternal corre-
spondent at Crawfordsburn. Mr. Crawford feels, he says, that he is a
martyr to the cause of the opposition on which he embarked, and he is
accordingly content to offer himself up a sacrifice for preaching those
political dogmas which he profeises to believe aro consonant to truth.
" I know the hopelessness of the attempt, but still I think it my duty to
persevere. lam awato that no man, be his services what they may,
and hie principles or objects however praiseworthy, can at present ex-
pect to obtain the public approval of any portion of the Catholic body, if
he ventures to impugn your conduct or policy. Those who may agree
with ore, of which I know there are many, have not the political courage
to stem your over, and that which consolidates your power—the
power of the press, at your back. lam content to be repudiated, in
the humble hope that I am casting in a little leaven which may ferment,
however slowly, but at some future time may tend to purify my country
from the dross of corruption, want of principle, and undue influence,
whether ecclesiastical or political, of any and every sect and party; and
when this shall be the case, Ireland may then become what you say she
ought to bo." The writer has taken for his tett a passage in " Mr.
O'Connell's Address to the Electors of Clare, dated May '25, 1829."
Mr. O'Connell is of course denounced as a political sinner—and in a tone
which suggests the probability that hatred of the man has moved Mr.
Crawford quite as much as regard for principle and love of truth.
Two days ago, as an elderly gentleman was taking
his morning walk in the Champs Elysees, with no other companion than
his rich gold-headed cane, he was assailed by a group of impudent young
vagabonds, who treated him with every .species of insult. He
threatened them with his stick, but as he was unable to run after them,
they only became the more impertinent. At length a stranger came
up, and, perceiving his ernbarras,ment, rated the insolent crew, and,
catching hOld or the good old gentleman's cane, sallied arter his tor-
merVori, whom he pursued so far that he ram and ran, and ran so far
• that he went quito out of sight—and has not since been heard of:
A robbffy, eireeted tneaw3 of an extraordinary
saaticeus.fre, was perpetrated At Navestoek, on Wednesday niglst. ell inati
inquired at the 'Unicorn, Ilare-street, for a straw carter named Perry,
nocertailled he was in the house, he went directly across the
way, took a hors 9 anfl NIT% trI4M Mr,,Sharpe's stabh) MI. Matthew
GFegi),, cast from thp same premises; and protmeded to perry is roidence
at Neivestock. Ile than told Porry's wife that she was wanted imme-
diately at frare-stieet, as her husband had met with a severe accident.
The poor woman, greatly alarmed, accompanied him its the cart, taking
with tier Irmo :..9ntliniPg 29(.! it!F pipe. that
it hal moretilaP o,fr ?!Frlyl!tg' its Made a
pretence-tor leaving her, and she sate him no more. It being about
twelve o'clocki a run! !al)9l•lfFr 1.4 her 10 Ifare-street, where she
dIF(4-cytid thP 49YY 1V44 a fabrl9tloo, alld, op returning home,' the
I,„Lqe was found stripped of nearly every article it• had contained.—
Essex Iler9lff.