The Sun.
London, England, 1814-11-26 00:00:00

TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.

I cannot doubt, Sir, that you a friend to the
Liberty of the Press in England ; I shall, there-
fore, labour under no imputation in pointing out to
you one of those excesses of its privilege, which is
most adverse to the security of its genuine prin-
ciples. It is given to the public in the last Num-
ber of the•DliAburgh Review. With the Criticism
of that Work I have slight concern ; its careless-.
tress of private feeling, its disingenuous censure,
its haughty decisiveness, and its contempt of
sistency, are already sufficiently appreciated. I
now speak of its politics It may appear strange,
that such a feature should be found in t; literary
Journal ; that a work, originallyrofessing simply
to talk of the common places of literature, to
flourish the lash about Lays and Lyrics, and
make itself miserable over the inveterate evil of
Methodist Magazines, or the ravings of Fi-
nance Pamphlets, should have turned off at
once from its vocation, and taken_ up the • . .
Un-
congenial trade of lecturing the Legislature. But
thefact is certain; and whetherpurchased or tooled
into the hands of Party, the Edinburgh Review
bas fot some time erected itself as the Cynosure
and rallying point of every idler, clamovrous with
Ilu discontent and hopleless -ambition. The
Party had fallen ,in Parliament ; but something
might still be done without its %vans, and with
whatever repugnance the nightly misrepresenta-
tionoras for Ced to call in aid the quarterly calumny..
The history of this struggling warfare is almost
ludicrous. Ministers were the natural aim, and in
the first attacks, Incapacity and Corruption were'dealt round the land" as freely ns if those
potent Castigators knew
,any thing,on the sub-
ject. But facts rose against them; the war brought
every hour an answer to their charges ; Ministers
proved of what materials they were made; the
triumph of solid policy, and strenuous execution,
rapidly effaced the injuries, -if they could not. the
retnembrance of the:Talent's year ; and the Mo-
narch would not take the helm out of capable
bands, merely to return it into those from
which it bad swung by its own weight. From
insult to the Government, the Journal was
turned to flattery of the people. The Spanish
Insurrection gave the key-note, and the Nur-
thern Minstrels lost no time in chaunting
the dirge of Kings and Nobles ; the higher, or-
ders were plunged into a base comparison with.
the lowest of the population, and the verie-'
rz.thle, and virtuous, and dignified of the knd,
dragged into a Jacobin contrast with the social
pnfitynf the weavers of Manchester, and the
tender mercies of the Liverpool traders--s-the me-
mory of Horne Tooke was sighed over, ,and even
the grim and grinning vigilance of Cobbet, Ipse
janitor Orci,"----the .very Cerberus of popularity,
was propitiated; This hail its day, and wore out.
There was yet a reserve : Party ambition was
almost undone, but personal malice might still be
indulged. With for hope, there was still
something for revenge. The )linistry, as a body-,
were found unassailable, and-, as individeals, libel
might he dangerous. The Prince combined all
their ,objects—he Stood before them the only
Member of the state, in whom the' feelings of the
man might be wounded through- the attack on the
magistrate, and the service of the magistrate de-
graded through insinuations against the man.

.His rank, his-known temper, his reliance on the
national good will, ensured his long-suffering ;
and the Faction asked no stronger inducement to
make hint suffer to the extent of their power.
tl;c present occasion, the casual mention of
the rrincesi Charlotte's patronage of a deserving
Artist lets out the whole accumulation of sEag-
nant bitterness in a torrent. The evil spirit starts
up in his proper shape at the first touch, and his
language of- defiance and wrong is not unsuited
to his nature.- The whole diatribe is too prolix
for your admission. I quote as I pass along.- It
commences with a smiling and unsuspir,ious con-
trast between the pressures of the present epoch
and the
.hopes of the future. " Happy are the
subjects of a sovereign (the Princess Chorlotte),
whose taste is gratified by such objects (the Arts),
who seeks to employ the surplus of what is raised
for the exigencies of the State in cherishing vir-
tuous industry, &c. &e. instead of multiplying in-
dulgences for vicious sensuality or idle curiosity,
and extending crime and immorality by temptations
or cramp/es-Of profusion." After
to dissipation, .
this outline, sketched in the obviouS intention of
promoting the resin:caul deference of the child
Inr the parent, and thus securing that private
good will in which the nation is so deeply inte-
rested, this sell-elected privy counsellor proceeds
with mare distinctness to' his charge---:" All
that the Director's of the British Institution

asked of Government to extend. nnd- prnmote-it
'by giving employment to Artists of acknowti•ledged
ability, &c. was fire thousand pounds a year for

lour years." To a man less info arena of Cithiet-
Parsiniony, it might appear that in the present
multitude of demands on the Public Purse, this
gift of 1.0,0001. to the Arts might require Smite
consideration. His logic is more rapid. In a
lain of Indignant virtue, he demands with what
object was this suns withheld ? The reponse comes
without delay It was to be squamkred
wanton waste of timber, gunpowder, and lamp-
oil"—(the calainitiMs and irreparable expendi-
ture of thestenedesSaries of -linman life is finely
pathetic). " And fur %vh...t purpose ? eis-
cotCrssg-e- the piofligete and the prodigal iii their
•depraved inibit'S- and propensities, amid excite the
,scorn anti indignation of all the rest for those
whose rank and situation should ensure esteem."
It is difficult to imagine what standard of Princely
forgiveness the writer of this audacious paragraph
constrneted for himself. The' Regent may stand
upon thelionourable consciousness of having-done
his. duty, and be saperior to obscure slander ; but
below the Throne, there is no individual that
could safely overlook 'this malignity of imputa-
tion. Society has but two classes, ; and this
men; a subject of England, has ventured to pub-
lish to tine world, that her Sovereign is branded
by both and .all,—the whole love and alleg,ianee
of her people converted into scorn and indignation ;
the rirtnous and the profligate looking on him
with equal contempt ; the one as the betrayer of
station, the other as the accomplice of their
crimes.. The name of the Prince is not mention-
ed, but the allusion is wrought and laboured into.
rcrfect palpability... It would he idle to take the
Feste for the genuine object, and to attempt at
reasoning away this weight.of'patriOtic sorrow by
the old argument, that the. preparations had been
designed for the entertainment of Guests whom'.
the nation delighted to honour, and that when
once made, it was at. least as cheap and as wise
to gives heal for the amusement of the people, as
to let them Moulder on the ground, or throw them
into the Canal. He has a purpose of a higher.
order, and he bounds upon it vigoresisly. " It is
said that there are precedents for it. Similar ex-
hibithies.upon as large a scale followed the Peace
of Aix la' Chapelle." But this fact, the perfect ap-
probatitin of the people of the day, and the general
custom of Europe on great public events, arc to
form no palliation. " Unquestionably therease pre-
cedents for every
.folly. 'Nero ! Domitian ! Coin-
modus ! exceeded all that the most gigantic vanity
of -any modern Potentate can hope." The Regent,
whatever may 'be his ambition, must thus fall
short of his models. But from a natural fear that
the pungency.of the sentence might he hist in its
Involut;on, a sting is inserted in the•tail; and the
resemblance and result of Imperial policy, in its
modern and ancient exemplars, critically de-
nounced. " By diverting the public expenditure
from the promotion of useful and liberal art's,
they plunged the World-gradually into barbarism."
The scholarship of this burning Moralist giveS
him advantages in illustration. But it may still be
doubted whether public rejoicings hold any native
connection with the progress to barbarism ;
tvlie-
therNational Festivals did not distinguish the most.
elevated _periods of sthe Roman Commonwealth
whether Literatute.and the Arts perished through
the splendid exhibitions of Julius and Augustus;
whether the Gaines of Titus and Trajan, full as
they were of the magnificence and pomp of the
civilized world., And vast and costly beyond all ri-
valship of later times, plunged the Nation down
the steep of barbarism ; whether the agency of
Nero, Commodus, and Domitian was not of a
More active east, and whether the sweeping pro-
'scriptions, the relentless treachery, the iron des-
potism, the hot and insatiable bloodthirstiness of
those Monsters of lIIIIIMII mist use, genuine jaeobins
on thrones, did not strike deeper into the bosom.
of the Empire, than the enormity of a boat-race.
out he 'Fiber, or even the gigantic vanity of a pub-
lic dinner on the Palatine. Some coisscionsness
of this species still lurks under the virtuous am-
plification of the Reviewer ; and as the single
public festivity of the reign may, after all, be con-
sidered rather too feeble a ground for the whole
denuociation, it expands under his fancy into a
perpetual repetition of the same alarming dis-
plals. " It is not by the magnitude or imports.
.ance of single instances of prodigality and folly
that we are to estimate their effects ; it is by their
principle and progress. Every rine is made the
precedent for another." An exquisite irony in-
terrupts the reasoning. " We do not mean to sti-
mulate discontent, or inflame indignation, for what
is past." His object is of the softest concilia-
tion, and simply " to prevent, as far as our hum-
ble animadversions can prevent, a repetition of
such causes of thens for the, future." The Re-
-viewer's' weapon is unsheathed, yet -he has. the
merit of not instantly using its -edge; he does
not strike, he only threatens ; gives his' Sore-
reign fair warning that he expects a repetition of
those causes of national abhorrence, and bids him
send out cards for dinners and dances at his peril.
The public conduct of • the Prince has now been
denuded, but his personal habits 'retimin to
he scrutinized. This is done, as if stooping
from the chair of a grave and reflecting- philoso-
phy. The Master of the Stoics might have found
some such weighty -lecture for Polenio, :reeling
• from his Athenian brothel. " The restless inanity
of minds which can neither use, retain, nor even
receive any of the materials of intellectual enjoy-
ment, requires, as the gratifications of sensuality
cease, a continued and endless succession of no-
velties, at once violent and frivolous, to relieve
them from the painful sense oi that vacancy which
it is impossible to 61i, and that lassitude of self-
disgust
which it is impossible to fly." This is,
of course, speculation totally simple and until-
. lusive. The next has more of prophecy. " The
desires of avarice have an end. '['hose of prodi-
gality have none." But, as there may still be
persons in this country on whoM the warning
voice will be wasted, from the dullness that can-
not discover its immediate object—to those the
cloud is compassionately cleared away, and a pa-
rallel drawn of the early propensities of Nero,
and those which the Reviewer has already ima-
gined
.for his Sovereign ; so closely and steadily
urged, as to be mistaken by nothing less than
mulish obstinacy, or hopeless blindness.
those enormities, which in the Lord of ,Universal
Empire shook the civilized world to its centre,

had no deepei origin tin si/ndar
frivolities) and deravities of taste:, indulged upon
a move extended scale Of prodigality. thvier Si-
milar cireamstances, cause's will always
produce' similar effects." With this Newtonian
axiom the .world, most coincide, and despotism and
depravity, Punch and (;oldkßath-fields, he the
shuddering pl ospect for ourselves and our children.
I and treaty of extracts, but they still solicit
strongly. The last which I shall give was intend-
ed for the coup tic grace, and no executioner, look-
ing ramni his victim for the vital part, could have
selected one where his blow was to he given with
viler personal vindictiveness. The Prince is
charged with, patronizing a foreign painter; 'in
" a mode that degrades himself." Such is the
pregnant caution of the, accusation ; but it is
:hoped, " that whether the late short abode of an
Illustrious Personage (t lie Princess Ch7aiialeT
in his house was voluntary• or cOtnpuisiiry, so
.roach respect was paid to her sexual and moral,
if not to her critical delicacy, as to exclude all
such objects its ;nnocenCe must blush to recollect.
"
On this malignant and guilty insinuation 1 only
ask, \i'hy was it not more explicit ? The writer
knew it to he fact, or he did not. If fact, what
Cotfiderittion- for his Sovereign would have -pre-
vented his divulging it plainly,' and at once
None. Ile did not know it to be true. He
did not even believe it to be true, or he
would have rejoiced to make- his conjecture`.
firm by offering his authorities. But he laboured
at one act of perfidy through the medium of an
other, and invented .a to
jdegrade his Sove-
reign. , It is not to be supposed, that in these_
observations I merely consider the pitiable per-
son who has given himself up to this libel-trade.
for hiS hire; He may pass wiyay and perish in his
vocation. Demit honoree: zEmulus." A Prince
of England cannot be called on 'to stoop to the
level of this hostility. But the work iu which it
forms -the-prominent feature, spreads widely,..
it is urged by the influence of, an active
and turbulent party, and it conies forth, as,
speaking the sentiments of that Party. Ancl.
what could lie a more distinct disclosure of
their impatient hostility than the body and pressure'
of a charge to which the answer can be so home-
(hate and complete. Twenty thousand pounds
were asked by the British Institution, and refused.
It is first observable that the refusal has, at least,
00 relation to prodigality. If vicious, it was on
the safer side—it was an ceconornic vice. • But it.
was asked of the Prince either as a Sovereign or a
private Individual. If as a Sovereign, the answer
could not conic through him. His Ministers are,-
responsible for the expenditures of the State, and'
the Vveiglit of the public burthens might form a •
sufficient reply.
Bat was this demand to be made on the purse
of the Individual, and the Prince to be visited
with unmeasured invective for declioing to.traike
a gift of such magoitude put of an income,
.judged
by tat Legislature as not more than adequate to
the necessary expences of Royalty ? Bat this is not
the cause ; its roots lye deeper, and lye, as I firmly
believe, in a matured and deliberate plan to insult
and irritate, where it has been found impossible
to lead and overawe. To this fruitful stock I trace'
that whole profuse and thickening tribe of low
calumnies and creeping insinuations, and base
insolences, that have solong laboured to 'eneunr-'
ben the steps of the Prince Regent. It has no-
thing to do with neglected Geniva. If those
twenty thousand pounds hied been *granted,
we should have had the same sturdy 'mint-.
lity reprobating the extravagance that lavished •
on worthless add- lazy patronage, on fleeting co ii
-
lours and unprofitable canvas, the treasures of the.
State. The cry comes filial the pangs and writh-
ings of mortified ambition. Poetry and paint-
ing might wither at their leisure, were the Talents.
but in power. With those clamourers there is one
great Master crime that might throw. its shade
over a thousand virtues. , The PRINCE HAS BURN
FILINI.TO HIS SENSE oF PUBLIC: DUTY ! Wilco he
planted his foot trpon the firtst step-of the Throne,
he of necessity turned his back- upon that fickle-
and empty multitude, and the same lips which
but the hour before would-have stooped to the very
earth, and found virtue in the hem of his robe,:
were at once charged with giddy-and bitter venge-
ance against the man whoUt they- had so Acing
proclaimed as the bringer of " goOd tidings,"
the very hope and redemption of the Empire.
We can all remember the policy of that time, the
eager exultation of the Party as the moment of
fruition seemed to approach, the eagerness of
their humility. to fall down and worship the
Star new risen," even before the great and
ancient Light had sunk from the horizon, the lofty
Pavans with which they hadd his first beams ; the
lays of the Greys and Grenvilles of this present
world, the accordant cymbals and tinklings of
their menials, the gay scorn with which the Exit-
miner contrasted the fading with the fresher radi-
ance, and rushed headlong into panegyric and
prosecution ; the generous self-devotement with.
which the Morning Chronicle joined hands in
" that mystic dance," and gdve up its meek
head to the pillory. Even then, the same tactitpie
was predominant; and the Monarch was contrasted
with his heir, by the same men who now labour
to insult the parent through the national hope of
the child. The delusion was full and intoxicat-
ing while it lasted, but it was soon undone, and
nothing but its heaviness and remorse remained
behind. The Prince's declaration, that "no pri-
vate friendships should interfere with his pahlia
duty," a declaration which, if it had comedown
to us front the Greek or Roman day, would have
been thought worthy of letters of gold, was final
on men who had already alienated the country,
and the sword was from that hour undrawo,

If the fates of Eugland slionid ever darken,
and that evil-. Faction be in sight of their revenge,
that sentence will not. be forgotten; whatever
way be tile other counts, whatever fictions treach-
ery,. or hatred, or triumph, way crowd into the
body of tile- Royal inflict►rent, those words Will
stand.at its head. But, for one feature of their pre-
sent hostility, its objectitai re.tson to he.grateful.
It is plain and distinct, it tells all that it knows,
and hears no lueik of reluctance. 'Phis is well ; to
an honourahle mind. there is a proud recompense
for calui>•iisy, in the purification, which it forces,
And What is there wanting to this, recomapeuce,

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IP
.‘lili'll 14..,;t:ia' C'aeft it:elln°.l Itl !dicel
+As Weed *foitg tt r it l'
i
fout.ld --such folly as I have
mass of detected atrocity, slotwkteteriii'Vincts',.6:bolllll:4i:
and so solemnly attested that ti)wel.-" 'lll
, lett' 4
gantic shame which ,";,,,, to love iiiool,-'1,,0f,
darkened over the Prince's ineniol f',lol/1,
mouldering aWay into vague. eliaCi;es' ''''3:- ilar.ii
ft
I.ll;taitecotrit.:: conjectures, tii i
chilli•e
SOMflia,". the whole vuluai:iniil idle te'‘t!,`,l bYt'; ,
milts, such as might have been estrat'hl,olll)'.',...e
'.ag!AcitY of an (ipposit ion :Barriste:e, "`",,,r-frookl
eculakions after. a ,ohlen :igo,tl.lcr,. of Ii!l,.
sty' .vas UnSOPti et
lit°t 10l Sr
e (01 ti. i i siun6iii)e 1°11ct:il!cl i:11, ,I-f,' IPI3
aitithorship of 'iliZ! " Pr'iapi'il reiicies, 1 e 0.11'..P;41
discontent of a discarded foot:into, ril7„;,i'' '
fidelity of an in`fori-% . ►l lii'- ,
—ler to the natuia ti
Spy., . . ,tote t'i
But if the Prince is to be siinitnolled.b(*- b 6 ''..•
~.tyr ,I)e
great tribunal (if English opinion, It '-e' rivil•
another and nobler eitati. -. Ili; (1ef,.1.1-4 ,itei
reserved for that time:' if ja tilu".,:iil P:f.,
of mortal things.that.come tipoii tile 'c't","bilitYii-I
._ age to age, as if to warn us• of 'the il''-ripiil4l .
human grandeur, - that day of co010:1Vkcji" ti'l.
eclipse simuld ever.arrive- what I‘.l('6.,'irjr, il4,,ii.
put himself ‘in God, and his' c,,,,otry w...-; i:ob..,
and more ki°oY..confidence ? Ivil'ir I:ol`,lliviii.Pio
ihira to):ll(l:;rneotihselctlilotitch::tf I it(.ll the
i ,iecl iill'lsetviel 1:
ti,-(1:1111111;
purity ? what, plead with 'a
n.iore SC)ICri): 21:
l'i f
'l'm one,
argument, the early di fileulr-''',l iiiiCll,;
11 one, the vigour with which " he scie`. 'II"'
- (VI lic
plain and masculine policy, it isssllicj ;
equalled trinmpli ; the sacrifice `kith ‘;llfLs,',':
...'II.C. 111,1 the part ialities 'of v(intli fol. tl'i,el''sl;ii
overei...;nty, choosing for the adviser> I'. ,':i Wit:
cils' the men who liiid been found' fellti,,jl:iisi,ell',4
Father's crown, and through doubt l".`',Aiail,,,ii,C
ciling,.foreign treachery iin(lilornestir'l''ool,ll'e't
'struggling on, resolute and iiiihrohe',,,oce ;.
ggiroeeatti. consummation hat!itinarittiioonn:
iA;ahr,r,
tivne
j(,yri "::iii rcoi,ivro'c'cli,'.(l:'
host of illustrious-testimonies to lii' -„les,'''').ti
1 Invictos. heroys, pliludeiliesque 11,.1:- ot f::.A
glory 0t,....,11e present, the tnemorY ".`,.e c0•,,,,'
Spain fitting _her. voice. to attest t'..i,,;i e.os'
sympathy and geierohs foresight tPt 1 for 1.,.,
braced her cause • rf). .I' iratefti. oce'i''''
)ease'!glry - t'o gsBi''''..--.es'r.:lll,e'.'.;'
'Tom the I r7n-flilifeniered intiillei ~,g,',,i,
ing calm and sincere too-thank kilo lot 14 .i.ci,c.' '.>
mit y that protected and restored
.I;er 10:',.1,,, i',..1L.,`
and with. him the pledge of co.-161.1yd fr'',l-:,i,JCcfi
ant!. Gerinany, with the helmet at 1c9.4'11„1:1 i": 441r.
ed from her brow, exeltiti•g the fl''' ',)irv';o,
spirit that cominitted itself in etetiolt'ir•iii.c,
her Tyraot, St tvggied fearies4 for lci. ~,4'1(1 I„itt,
was still trampled down and in coir,s,.. :,.ith'i
sired the-QppressOr -till his Stretil.,','
~1:1,11 vc,,P,l'l
and his !mine blotted out, and, the. ivc)''',-i(7ol`','
rejoicing. F(ir the rue.n. .vii(j. ti-i.• yet i', 0,.10'
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of ,
Ii °lili.i‘":ell but one o'll'ietuffelilitgnea.nliei bo'Inl!eelk::::.1::,'-';if1.,i'5:;•,,:.
.ci.,:ivon.,?4'.
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ditonzin et will'is et, i;(1/i;rVio. ta.:Cie' reetismel!c'i t ure.,:`,?0.1:-Ali')'• '''''''
.tateut tenent. Libe'i'-t-Titi, b U.,'" LI inn 1101r1i tit I:;"qf i itr z•
impudentiw quani-idsi:4,ulaiioncui r 1.15101115. '''''
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'IMPERIAL...PAU. lAA AP`
'...•.ll°L'''E OF LORDS, Fax AY, -'
• • •
••" • 1
Mr. Ilotirti and Mr..AD t;i were hear/ I.°'; ;VP ,o°'
.in the.apytal Keir anti v the Pa4e••4o
••
1W1:11'1,11'
ment post
1.!1 tltc Irish appeal Nlooreßlaiie,
Mr. Stinnwr.m. wei:e lijard for v.he APpell','°:,'J'fiecl•tre,,,
for the Respondeht.' Fiirtlier" hearing' 0" ~"„..---13011 • 4,111'
The Exchequer Bills Bills, and Malt La 04),-
•
niitted, and reported. . ,005,
•„IP
B ILO UDEN and others, from the- C0u311...-il,,poVio,r
the West India Trlide Bill; Forei,o Shils 01.614:ir
India Bonds Bill, Promissory Nutt.'- and
Bill, awl. 1-rislLExcief.)uty Bill, were. "..,10110
The Tenth Report of the Carnatic
pegs from the ()tiler, of the Irish `'ecretat'Y',,,-,4, •
the House, and laid on the Table.---Atti°°-
iy
HOUSE •OF CONLUON- ". %ife4;,,01
-•,ct; ;
-4-item.writ.was_ortlered for_tini Borsht of'
the room of Benjamin lIall„Fai. who, 516°' PA
accepted the Chiltern liUndredS. fi.e FA'
• -"rife Honse. went. faro a Conniiirtes ox' "30110v".;;0°
Bill, which was ordered be reported to'dvoi,ject,ioli,
Sev' ' Petitions from the Lord NitlY°l.B,nthe
cil w,,,re presented by Mr. Sheriff IteaY,
laws' for regulatinr port•uf LOodoo; `,"),:i;
13111 for the more c'tfeetnal revention• af ;103"
ilered to lie on- the table: .1)
t itl 113.-iwe'
Mr. BROGDE"N brought up t geP°l.,
her rill, which was ordered to be read a.
row (thiF, day). , • " p(
The repOrt of the Irish tole to
pat
brought up; and ordered t. 9 be read a
PLI ONSONN* gai e route of his eill" orov-
repeal of thi Act, as violating two spe
Act of Union. T'OS
TILISH PEACE PRES.6ItVA,J lof ACl',/,
INr. bi•otiglit tbe Itel!,(),! 0°1(0,410
for a IT) e!) ding the Irish Peace,resL. cto""
• fe' ~e66.th
Mr. PoNsoNBY v jshed to `r sv."6
fore the question upon the liirt"erioir. ,
measure should be pat from the •vis,,lly've/riii
had now to say, he said inost
was his confirmed opinion, ilifatotr 1,0 ilt a Ptit:eilicci,
statement more exagge:atc,
_ll by
fact, than that made last Sess“),,, jc,ll'.ret sc.oi
Hon. Gentleman with respect to L'ote ivisret.:,
in treland. He was sure t:,itt ,
• irY
Lion was-not wilful, bt.t he (I" .o,l° .11,tv
tit
been made .tipon very instalicie 00:4
Right Honourable 6entleilia') • oislit°
rye
o! I
to have informed himself be ..,..atiL`
nye- ,
jeet, befOre he haiarded sgcb rero hel" of
nothing could be'more 11611601,o: opic. 00`ic4;
publish such .statements tol °c Et'Deofc(
Britain. At the time of tile vo, jo
arguments urged in its favour
ttb; set telOit
flowing capital of Engl'''''; n°t cr'
the
.industry of Ireland. lie (1, IreD
Nvil at ww . the real sec y ceroioli'd 'l6
country ; but it had ki-plieTl`2(l
little 1-3ritish capital "tad bc°ll,lo.efor°‘ ~01'
land, anti this expectsatiou,
had not been realised. 'lle of a.l/;ticll,,,lly
the magistrates were in gelier:ijou "I :A
Of their powers. The iippli.c"..ioo iiiis6o ii
is er
must, however, be most i(elis'ery
unfortunately divided by t" of al.?
and where the result ";')"I iiscreti°ll(l4aeOl:V
Catholic peasantry to tile
ilt to
roc.'
Magistrates. In iBO6, tlicreri reiti!`c tie
grounds, the Government I'3: cog o.
Act. Lie (141 not wean t )
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,I. ''li ' -'• 12,011iirtilail /n,` 1.,,' rOnsi(!ere'd
‘l,,''lttln 2--,9"4e "nrttlec'eSsary, if the ilia-
tr'ro ' len' 'ha , •
il•a„ ttr, ' l• • .
tf.,„ll',..,al),,p,,,,,e(rtntarlietithkt the flight.lrlof)...Gen-
."' 1 1 '‘' 'Live ot ten the substance
,Ile i'e lad sr. .. for, ', •. . • .
:P,er
(141: S'e4.-1.•
t:lte(-11e1
Was''the Hods(' in toe course
(1144 s'ittl •th.,4--"1 tipon this subject% He.- had
N'ttf.
,'"salbortlin ' in Ireland a -general
Ifte• tnat r, --'''it"n, but that there ti•ere
''.t.,',- thoc,„""trY, the condition of which did
421;:i9littetrti1,1,4'silton of a measure of this kind.
(P)l'.';`4teen i tje •Righl Hon Gentleman I.,at
,tti.4,l,
lotlitntlated with t'e representations
.1;',111)setill:) recollecting the:outrages.. of 1798,
it etie Perhans to exagcrerate-the dany,er,
,),11.. oara,re 1 ' ..
'4 ''s,liiii unneeessal.y alarm 3. He had
44, . how
v') evitle eer, at that time, • upon' do-'
;iitif.' the qt.4cehelire the-I:louse, upon the Ad-
:lttliille 'Ala a.fl'i Jury of the kin:....'s Conot y: and
,t tliere• .gl'trates of IVestuieath, boi b call :lig
l'ear ttilop'' . .
"iitt before pernion of the I n.nirr)-etioo Act.
'ltli,,T. the G -', the saine t*cContnit ii. at;(111 tvas
411. b 1.4' JIII.V of die County of West.
l'tti• Ivls hot • , • .
It IV, • , ormits that it) twat
_county a
. t(I i SII1(,, .
•'1(11 1.40, a, , PleVa,llCil, cornbiti,,noits were
Itt4 tibtrt, .I'' oaths taken for planting the
Ai Nis) ' 171 lq:land, the abolition 01 tithes,
4t' i 1111eilt •
A 111140.1. -"1 11111e4., and other projects of
. pla , .. rm.. .
411,1%, iNt) 1. Y 4lld delusion, A statement had
'lt ,l (Siri;lm,l'itilds by the Mein her for Queen's
'',';''.lit,''le;:!..; ll:.ft''''',l) in which it was. allirine.ll
,itf. uad 'lntoll of the condition' of that
:4, tit, f!ot ben ' • H E. 1 also
, pt, ‘, ti,,, --n exNggerated. c ta‘
:,114,11'ettatit„"se of an -atrocious murder, fur
.„.'th.,, .'-' of which a combination had been
ilt,itt , . of
illl'lrip . `.e(lerl but too well.in the execti-
: 90-tt4,) , 'viek,,,i.
4f, •t, -. puronse. Six..ol i hese per-
; ,ithi.lir.?Niett('ri;iihiexecti.terd. He called upon the
i:iii,t'..ll stat,.!lGentlernan, therefore, tol sa(y);
tAtiOl).fli,_::l" ept had been exaggeratle.
self
;10-t,l'Oltli.,' t Itotioura hie Gentleman um
tit 'l,it,,,i- troade-this assertion. Another do-
' elk:,l4l,ti, ,1,1",1'"(1 since received, was- a copy
4aiti„rtity,,;:iii the Magistrates signed Llaudatf,
t,1414,,„ tile
tact (,lethird, praying fur the en force-
tfileelt "11111,,.; in.enusequence of the numerous
illiketloi,.` ed in that district. It was to be
ll'tel„.t.erts,,,4,t ti'ere was here- -no possible motive
4-')ler., '-'t natii., •`. , • description; -
till, Y vic,w I,' Ili tills , 1 r
itatr.l-, ' the operation of the Act Inns..
lj wilittini,P4ll the INlagistrates some expense.
t.l,''ktt)ti,ll tht, Ili(ot this subject had last Session :
), elf% 11, 41)1truhation of most of the Irish
3, I, ‘V. ) •
't• f . 41(.1 • "gilt Honourable Gentle maw.
.41',t1,1 ~V Prove 1 c 1 tit q,l klit, II cof the measure founded up-
' 14 111.4 t lit Yon Dublin (Mr. Grattan)
't,,4ttit iti ,I.
moderate, and-
-1.1.,,.,„ e illii(1 di enivnt was .
p.
lyI.(111'f Of ti 411tl salutary. Wit h ret pee- to
I(o4.;4"Yittli:e. (3°vernment of ISOG to exceed
Itiiiir,.tle 1,,,r!
lll'Chtratiob of the law, lie believed,
li‘ti)flie,.l'it,; t1i),,,"1i so intormed, that directions
, ONl,,'"f ' tiisarrection Act -were found in
,11.tystZette,111,11.i-ott by Sir Arthur-W. ellesl,zeey-,
" 1te,,,,
rotten
Ott in the situation 'of Oiler , .
'.-(.41'(... 1441).1,4. This' res,)lskt ion, he believed,
\111"11.111,,,1:1'-","•:: I.'i'i Ylaies.ty'S then 47)1inist-ers,
14V i '(\' ' tilt- 1 f •.. . of .1 ii.i..l), lion.
'ie 11 I•' It V 'ec 'I aris",' r '-- F -ench
ot. lei 11,
.1 Na dild r Ilan), that there W4S a t
. ~.,:.11,,,, .) trial , lie agreed with the Right Hot).
Ittikttli,ril!Y., tfia tnetse could be no greater abuse
t..1),,,4 %fits iilo 'I tot- any Government to attempt
litfill'ill!'lerilitiielee
,and patronage. by the e..xe-
;,,,(1(11,1,11igiv, (-,s of this. description ; HIM he
-
olva oe 1104)4 to thesyverest punishment,
1,,1Yr, lira ri had :
lith Ili- jlle , tat- he ill any instaiace.
,Ilt!),lle,l4iti,t re local in terests'or reprentations.:
it IliirAtio '4lolut had rtzirctell 'many applica-
,iltril:(et se.ttists.„l.lr:riiell.nia;e,:because-he thorn,g.lit -,
klok. itstimi, L" sufficient grounds for !,oilig.
.vr,,)iit. it,: PNvticr of the Constitution. On
111 to. 4.-k-ilvirich-e-xt.eaortlitniry powers• were
ilt,i4,,:,.eN4,d.lg's'COtincil...VCas sent down from
Ik.',iofq if lie the 'trite eircunist ances of the
t al t vow+ •
}:t lit,. vialin ... -he permitted, lie was de-
kcil''lt,:Yin ,*(g fur a moment to what hail
I' Al( L°o4l(4lter ilause.—(ll-ere Mr. Hors.
11.1,lieljitther er, am! the Speaker informed the
iteli,,ttii,,,' that it Was irvgular to notice
6‘.'al "ite„,',, 8111 Pending ' ` - • House
, Pro .) ti in the oche' .
$1 frtit. 6.--,[tar,(l a
el had only to -aver, then; that
Vito_ ob;(.r. iise, which, he hoped, would-
-1,11.)(,,,r proJt„..rtou %%slet) ii ad been made to
V.lir'etl
I. dis,'n, imposing a fine upon the
)c4 1,..5r1N "'ICI.;
Yilk:(:: ‘l,,t,,n't said a fen' words in explanation.
1,,til i'llt‘l-11.1' ''`li(l he had always f»osed the
j(t 14 l't)e "s(ilrecti
!, i) 'trti,(4lstitti-i on Act, because he thong it
1 NI: t, •lii h,. '- "nal meas.-tire, and one that
(1,, Pt, ,% of ti countenanced: in that House,
O' li's . 'e inost „ .
ttt4v ow, k tgent and evident neces-
N.:Ve, t'se t.t.i. nowledge, the powers (he
It'll, 'l4 ti Y eXtrarndinary powers) given
tiliftt t,l
1i pe,.,'.ee'rAt,L.ligistrares, had in many in-
(ll'itri 4p.dl:ivine
..,'" to gratify personal. resent -
ftil'., tsni,,
~".lews, merely from a-rancorous:
itti. • (i'"' 'tom
a difference of religious
\),,te ,) 'ti tti,.._
t A tl,, Ppositi:t account he should give
,tet„t(Eß ,54.1`;1" to the present Bill.
t,t,:lll,,pgeti iiiti.,_,, he had- originally thought
ti,4ii,,'. (.ietiti '‘lttced into the [louse by the
t-1 l't ' `ittil .lari, was a most unconstitu- :
41ltt:tti lite (4 the or' • '
I, ,y 1 tifol,, , iiiriple of it, he-stilt en-
+f Qt., 0 ' •
i4,,,t.1.4,1, :ii.,1.,
u:
111141°0 ; but front what he
i,11,' i„ts Iti,i ° particularly from what had :
I lit l'lt.lll'ett i" it liou. Friend Ispoke
w to last,
IN ‘ctirrtry tf so believe it had been attended
t, tp '''try t ' ects •
r\\ tit.t IW, I " 6 lid , ' a" d it gave him the highest
N,lteq ltiotY ithst„i that the Irish Government
t;i4trllittjPowerne(l front acting on the very
'ht t" ' "... s with which the Act lad in--
1,,,f),,',t1;it lill'e'::„'„thiS - account he did not feel
t., tt,g, il "111. ' °l)Position to theprogress of
o.l4,!ttii, ' %
g„114,,' f,), '4NT sr,, • ,
v`tin t ' Orj„.• s -I(' a few words resnecting
iclit, tv„ , 1:1111iilly ()
)0
.. , . 0 f ,
_,
,I'd
to: ~,. 11,1.,,Ji uy 0.,_
4.) 1 1
.5114,, it, IN n ICII il,
111t1..1111141, U e fori'; perat ion of the Act, and
''t4,,‘l'itt vino, ~I ear'lnee of the Irish Govern-
tt(l), Or. ie .i.,,
0.
, tared
to y tt was argreed to, and
oe read a third time to-
'il ttti '/IkNii"AlNt -
te tth tl.l 1 e'rEP n
1 Cif, el) -Olt of ,' -F SUPPLY.
i)lttitti,4llipill':?)ll(il. tiitt!lt_hf!•ExCUEClLTEn. movec,lthe
tt ti,tilit,, Jo) wilici itouse goik,g into a Coin-
'lt the 3eing read, be moved that
4;t4t, tt.l,l,l'nfts be C""ots,siotters rt lative to
w‘l'le,tietl. referred to the said Com-
!
ettz..4e)i, that
4 ..,. the Q •
0 ti 10,.: PE.AKER leave the Chair, :
"htlt it necessary to call

thehatten'tinn of the HOusc.to the ialtject• of the-
T.'rooertv Tax, and to entleavBtir to learn !'rom the
Gentheilan, wlwt!ier it was the in-
tf4ntion j=ay's Ministers to propose the
continuance of that oppreiesiae tax. It seeined.to
him 'there was too much reasolato fear such was
their.'intentione for there had lately appeared a
most curions'ael of t',e CosmilissiOners of that tax,'
whn, as if cooacious they should he able to prevail
on Parliament to continue that Act, had issued nu-
,tiCe% of tin assessmoot, which was to lake plaee up
to a certain day in the year 1816. This tens ?tom e what
remarkable, when it was well known that the ex-
isting act was to cease on the sth of April, 1815.
lie wished also to submit to the consideration of
the House, how cautious they ought to be of vot-
ing., any inure Sapplies while his Majesty's Mini-.
ster on the Comiiieitt was forming etegagetnents
with foreign Powers, which he did not cominuni-
care to the Right Honourable the Chancelior of
the Exchequer; which engagements appeared to
be in eoutradiction to each 'Other, and which she w-
ed how wrong it was in that House to grant Sup-
plies without having full information as to the
manner inwhich such Supplies were to be applied,
In consequence of our treaty with Sicily money had
been voted to carryon a war against Joachim Murat,
King of Naples ; and by a Treaty which Austria
had epterediato, with the King of Naples, and
which Lord Castlereash had agreed to confirm on
the part of 'this Government, another part of the
supply wits to be employed to enable King Jo'it-
chim to carry on the war against the King of Si-
cily, our august and long-standing ally. In the
Couferences at Chatillon the 'Minister of Napo-
leon' proposed 'certain regulations respecting difa
ferent towns .and cities in Italy ; but it was air-
nounced by the Pleuipotentiaries of Austria, Egg-.
land, Russia, and Prussia, that Ft4ince had no
right to interfere as to any part of the It aLan
States.. Lord Win. Bentinek entered into several
stipulations with the King of Naples and the Ge-
noese, which Lord Castlereagh had counteracted ;
and by a letter which Mr. W. read extracts from,
Lord Castlereagh hods fault with What had been
done .by Lord William lientinek, as contrary
to the opinion of the British Government on
the Continent, and desires him to communi-
cate this opinion to the English Government
in London. All that had been ,done by Lord
William Bentinck was for the purpose of secur-
ing the co-operation of King Joachim Murat,
Who at that time I.iad a powerful army, and many
important places-- in his possession ;;,but they soon
shelved they had aim the most cordial- liking for
, their new ally, of whom they became jealous, and
to Whom they thought too much had been con-
ceded. • If there can be'a period more desirable
than another, this, said he, is the moment for the
le-establishment of the independettee of POlaad.
All the Powers in Europe are interested in the
event ; but if the accounts "from Vienna were trite,
the Emperor Alexander was the only pet son who
. stood forward to support the independence of
land, and our Minister there Was the only Berson
who threw -in objections, and endeavoured to
thwart him in his designs. If Ministers knew
these things, he should deem them highly culpa-
bfe, and would arraiga their conduct at the Bar
of. that House, for having-concealed from them
matters so important, while. they werertskiog for
such extraordinary and continued supplies.
The Cuatacto-eott of the Exca FALTER Said, that
with iespect tb any measures that were passing in
the Congress at Vienna, if 'he even knew what
they were, and•the Homoirable Gentleman should
put questions to him about them a third, fourth,
or even a tenth time, he should feel it his duty not
to answer one of them. With respect to Naples
and Sicily, the two Treaties were very pecan-,
t.:liable. We paid a'subsidY to Sicily to defend'
that island against any attempt of the King of
• Naples. We had guaranteed the kiagdom of Na-
pies to King Mar at, and were to pay him, not to
make war on Sicily, but for a certain co-operation
with our forces, ata time when his services were
of the highest importance to the Allied Powers.
' Austria had made the Treaty, and otir Minister had
guaranteed it. The cases of the late. Treaties be-
tween Spain and Napoleon, and between Austtia and
Fiance against Russia, were in.a similar predica-
ment. Spain was ~at Teacc with us, and by her
treaty with France, was to furnish a certain man-,
her of turn ; she did furnish that number, but was
' told that it site furnisaed a single soldier beyond
it, such addition would be deemed a_deciaration
of war against us ; but as she furnished no niore_
than the number stipulated, she still cautioned at
peace with us," though we were at war with
France: It was exactly the same between Austria
and Napoleon. The Eonp:u-or Francis furnished
the number stipulated by th.e treaty, which Na-
poleon led on against Russia; but Austria , and
Russia still remained at peace with each other.—
The Honourable Gentleman had called the atten-
tion of the House to the intended adjournment,
and had intimated a supposition that it would be a
protracted one. He could assure the. House it
would not be extender} beyond the period which
would give sufficient time for the fair and full
clis-
cussion of all those important subjects Which'
were likely to be submitted to its considerariOn,
of which the propriety and expediency of the coil-
tiouation of the Property-Tax would most likely
make one. With respect to what the Iloa. Gen-
tleman had said as to the assessment which was to
take place in 1816, if lie had consulted the Act,
lie would have found that the assessments were
directed to he made trout two years to two years,
and that whi,l) it eat into 1815 was made long
before it could be known the Act would cease on
the sth of April a xt.
Mr. PoNsoNav did not conceive that either of
the cases quoted by the Right lion, Gentleman
(the Chancellor of the Excheqaer) had any ahni-
litude to the presont case. In the present case,
there was 4 treaty between Austria and Naples,
to which England had agreed, expressly guaran-
teeing the throne of Naples to Murat. :litter: that
treaty, the King of Sicily had issued a proclama,
tint), stating that he would car:y on the war, tint
for such objects as were the custormary causes of
War among Sovereigns, but for tile express pur-
pose of conquering- the kiogdom of 'Naples. -Vt!`e
were now called. upon to give a subsidy to the
King of Sicily, for the express pnrpose of assist-
ing, him to dethrone that very Sovereign whose do-
minions,we,had guaranteed. 1 t was a true, that wet
only gave half the fuatuaa aubshly, and were tlit44

nutting the Klng of Sicily noon half-pay ; but
still this 'subsidy was to he 'employed, not
.only agai:Y,t an ally, but against ourselves, Os
guarantees of the Treaty. - could not see
auy pretence.. for this subsidy. If it were to
he applied to carryon war %Orb Naples, it xi-mild
he contrary to olly engagements with Mut at : and
if it was stated to be for procuring indemnities,
we were powerful enough to procure those
for hint without giving the suasidy. The
Right Hon Gentleman promised; that. \Own
-Ministers should come to explain their conduct,
they would produce a triumphant justification.
lie hoped most sincerely that they would, not out
of ;Inv particular affection he ho.re to those Minis;-
ters, but because he considered the cause kit' Eng-
land to he :he Cause of justice ! 7.ight7—(Hcar
hear). Ile hoped that the settlement of af-
fairs at the Congress would rather be after the
the old notions of right and justice, that; after the
new French system, by which all the States in Eit.-
rope had been torn to pieces, plundered and op-
pressed. If Ministers should he able to shew,
that the cause of justice and of right had suc-
ceeded in the Negoeiations, -then, indeed, they
would produce a tritimphant justification ; if the
contrary should have taken place, then, instead,
of triumphant jit.tification; they must encounter
an infamous condemitation.

Mr. IlAtatuasT said, that when the proper time
for explanation should come, he had no doubt but
at would appear that the •Government of England
had never ceased to advocate the cause of justice
and of right., It must, however, be obvious to
the House, that this was <r subject which must be
examined upon the %elude, and not taken to pieces
night after night, wit enever any Gent len2an thought
proper to put questions to his Majesty's Ministers.
The House would be awareof the situation in
which the conntry Was placed at the present mo-
ment; and wilco the selection of the Noble Lord
(Lord Castlcreagh)' had been so notch approved
of by the Han. Gentlenran (Mr: Whitbread), he
did not see how it waS to be reconciled to fairness
and candour, to di!-;approve of the whole of his
condnet on such' imperfect information. The day
won LI come when Ministers man- be responsible
forthe. conduct of the negoeiation. As to Sicily,
the. Right Hon. Gentlenian, (Mr. Ponsonby) said,
the-King of Sicily was at war for the purpose of
Conquering Naples,. It might as well be said, that
the
.King of Naples .was at war for the purpose of
conquer,ng Sicily.' The fact was that Sicily was
now at war with Naples, and we were bound by
our former Treaty to give her a subsidy.
Mr. PONSON.B.Y. and Mr. BAT”URST. explained.
Mr. lailliTON l'egrtiteo ;Midi that the principles
which the coalesced Sovereigns professed so loudly
in the beginning of the year, had been so greatly
departed from. Instead of the moderation and
justice which we ,were led to expect, he saw no-
thing, but acts of rapiae and spoliation.
Mr. HAMMERSLEY th.tmght there was matter:
enough before thellotte to arraign the ponduct of
. Ministers.
Mr. HORNER coincided with the observation
of the Honourable Gentlenent who bad last
spoken ; and thought that whoever considered
the present state-of Our foreign relationS, and the
length of time that such negociationsThiiially.toOr
up, would not be disposed to think that it was fit
that Parliament should remain without informa-
`lion till those negociation• were concluded. As
to the Treaty which -was made between Austria
and the King of N.iple-s. Lord Castlereagh refused
to accede to it, nntii there was au alteration made
in it, which guaranteed to .the-King-of Sicily. an,
indemnity for the. loss of. Naples. Lord Castle-
reagh had afterwards expressed his approbation
of the Treaty to the Neapolitan 'Minister at'.,
-Chatilion, mid, had given directions to Lord
William Ilentinek' to give a more formal
as-
sent, in-:'writing,. His Lordship afterwards ex-
Tressed his. astonishment ...hen he hard of the
proclamation of the King of Sicily ; and declared,
that if that sovereign would not be content with,
the indemnities offered him, he, should be left. to .
hi,s own Uleall3, tttprOSCCille Ilk Clair!) to the throne
of Naples. The junction of the King of Naples
was at that time of the utmost importance to the
common cause,- and the. word, -of,- the British.
Minister was the. principal security obtained by
the King of. Naples. So highly were the honour
and good 'faith of this country respected abroad,
that it was well -known that. the Queen of,
Naples :(a sister, of Buooaparte), declared that she
would rather trust to tie faith of an English'Ge-
neral, than to a Treaty regularly signed and
sealed with any other power. IVoirld it not, then,
he considered a violation of Itational honour and
faith to scud money to a .state that was at war
with Naples, for the purpose of enabling her to
carry on that our ?

Mr. \V. I'ot.E said, Tie perked? concurred in
the Opinion of the Right Hon. ;Gentleman (Mr.
Ponsonhy) that the cause of honour and justice
formed the true interest of England ; and he flat-
tered himself- iii t, whenever the-Proper opportu-
nity arrived for the House to be put in posses-
sion of, and to exluni.ne into the whole conduct
of his Majesty's Ministers in these negotiations,
it li/unid he found that they had hi every instance
advocated the cause of truth and justice ; that
whenever they had the power they had succeeded in.
maintaining. that, (Wise, and that whenever they
had tailed, it was not for want of the exertions of
our l'ilekOciatots abroad, or of proper instructions
from the Government .at _home,- When this, sub-.
jeer was undei discussion; on a former night, he
had stated his SefltlilltnltS to the House,and.not-
withanding all he had heard to-night, he was
not in the least shaken in the opinion which he
bad before expressed, viz. that the Ministers of
this countly would he knitty_of a gross dereliction
of-their duty if they were, in answer to the re-
iterAted questions of the .Gentletnen on the other
side, to give to the House ,and. to the Country
imperfect information,, and they could give no
other. If, because Gentlemen tried to•throw
upon them fin- not answering questions,
which ought not, undo-, the,, present, circum-
stances, to be- answered, or for not explaining
that which might not to be explained, they were
induced to depart from that line ol'.conduct which
their duty presented to them, they would sheviv
th6nsclves to be-unfit for thesituations:therheld,
and univOrthy of the confidence of the country.
The Hou. Cientleman.who spoke first, had, in his
treated the Noble Lord ;vho was Bow

'absent rather hardly.: he had distinctly approved
of his appointment, both on a ftonoer a.. +-he
present occasion, to:negociate for the hii erk ,ts of
this coontry abroad, .ind had exoressed an opi-
nion, in whichlhe whole House concurred, :hat a
more proper person, could not le,ve been s .ieeted.
But scarcely had the 1-12 a. Gentleman his
panegyric upon the N. 7:Jurd, before t,e went
into Oil attack upon the whole of the proceedings
in which he was engaged, .will hail called upon
Ministers to give an explanation upon almost
every point 11011' in neg-ociati:m npon subjects now
in progress, not one of o hid) was finally closed.
:The Hon. Gentleman had thought I,roi •1* to state,
what he was pleased to call the oeioion or the
;Emperor Alexander(upon what authority be knew
not), respectiog the independence of and
:had added, that the Noble Lord (Ca,tlereagh)
had ,opposed those opinions. - It was impossible
to . use stronger language than that whoo, that
. Hon. Gentleman had applied to this supposed con-
duct of the Noble Lord. \Vas it fairovas it just
—was it candid, wit how a single document betore
the House, _without even the knowledge that the
Congress had met, thus to arraign rite wholv con-
duct of that Loble
.Lord, upon a subject about
which he kvould venture to say. that Hon. Gentle-
man did pot-know a single, tittle. It was ia;pos-
sible conceive any thing more unfair titan dins
to throw out censures, when there. was no infor-
mation before the House, and when the lion.
Gentleman knew that Ministers were pi ecluded by
. their duty from giving an answer. If he wanted
any additional reason to confirm his opinion of the
propriety of the conduct of Ministers in refusing
to answer these questions, the Gentlemen on the
other side had furnished hint with it. lii what a
situation would the country be, if ",.\iiiiisteis were
bound to answer, pending the negotiation, ques
lions which only tended to inflame. and mislead
the public mind. That was not, lie dared say,
the intention of those Gentlemen, but that must
be the inevitable _result. The,Hon. Gentleinan
had-attacked the Noble Lord upon the subject of
Saxony, taking it for granted that the whole, af- ,
fair respecting that country %vas settled ; founding._
his knowledge, upon what he had seen iu paniph- •
lets and newspapers, without a single document,
before him or the Ationse„ ,and,knowing that Mi-
nisters conldno
t now
,produce any, or reason up- -
one tneeVenh:int at, any of Which they irag!it. he
in- possession. Gentlemen were very anxious to
obtain information respecting Sicily. Upon the
subject .of a subsidy;, the Utilise undoubtedly had
a right to demand information ; but the principle
upon 'which that subsidy was geanted had been
fully and-,distinctly explained ; and be, mnst ,ay,
with all deference w the Learned,Gentieinap
Horner), for -whose talents he. entertained
highest respect, that his speech. furnished the
strongest reasons for not giving any fur-
ther explanation respecting Sicily and Naples
, the %arrangements were
_settled --etlye,
and until the Noble Lord" Wits present to
explain the whole- transaction; : That Learned
Gentleman had taken rather-a diffeient ‘iew of
the subject from some of.his fi'ieinis;, for the ten 7,
dency of his ,speech was to stieW flow high t..e
character of the British Negociator stood npon •
the Continent. It was reported that there were
agents from the reigning, Icing of Naples at pre,.
sent in this country, whether any of 'the iliftd.ifia-
tiOn upon which these questimi'S* Were foimded
was derived from them, he did not know : it was
sutheient for him that,theLearried Geutleman
ap-
proved of the conduct of the Noble Lord as far
as 'if liad gone in that transaction ; end tl.e be!
nitist admit that i,t was not yet coucluded. The
Learned Gentleman had stated, that a treaty had
been concluded between Austria and Naples, and
that we had given our sanction to it; •and the,
Learned -Gentlenieil approved of that measure :
hod was there any thing in that conduct, snpnos-
theLeartied Gentleman's srateineut were cor-
rect,. inconsistent with our- keeping our Milli to,
au old Ally ; and if the could nut restote hint to,
his former dominions in Naples, at least to obtain
hits an illdemnir.y, and to secure him in Sicily ?
That a proper opportunity would arrive, and ar-
rive soon, whet, all thesv points might he fully.
explained and investigated, he assured tint Gentle,-
Inca On the other side, he was quite as anxious,
as they could possibly be ; .but, until that.
time arrived,- he WilS conviuced that _Ministers
‘could betray their duty if they departed Irani the,
line of conduct they had adopted. Those Gentle-,
men had at present a great advantage over Miiii,-
sters ; they might come down to that House and
propose questions derived from the agents of
.the.
reigning King of Naples, or from pampme s, or
from newspapers, or from anyother sou CC f mar
which they could collect it. 1 hey had no res,;oo-,
sibiiity, no duties attached to thew', (except as;
Members of Parliament, which Ile was _VViilng to,
allow they ably and honestly performed) ; but np;
duties which prevented them front makilig any',;
disclosure which _would enable them to
successful hit at their opponents, when they knew:
their opponents could not in duty answer theme
He should not now trouble the House any long-ere,
he trusted he had wished the Gentlemen oppo-t
site to him, (Sir ohn NeWport and other Gentle",
men called out Hear, Hear !) he was sure he had
satisfied 'the Right Honourable Baronet, that,
nothing conic! be more injurious to the interests.
of the Country than to g •the information re-.
(Hired, while the Negotiation was actually.
pending.
. _

Mr.: NN4IIITI3-READ, in explanation, said that he
knew nothing of any foreign agents ; this he
knew; that Lord •IVrtf. Bentnick was the accre-
dited agtnt of this Country at the Court of Murata
Str Jour NEwroa'r congratulated the itig4
Hon. Gentleman over the way, who, after having
gone through the routine of office, • t,. ci at lengt4
arrived at the dignity of controuling, tt czabint:i.
it was with hint now as formerly wheu-Ae,was
Secretary to the Lord Liciutenanctif
Ego et. Rex niev.s was still his style of ove..be;;r!bg,
and exaggerated consequence.
The Lintise then went in!o the C..stninittee tit
Supply. On the motion, t1;-,t 15,r,i00/. be grin-44
for the Suffering Clergy and Emigrants of li'i,ance..;
-St. Domingo, Stc:
Mr. WinTaa:,EAD and' Mr. PONSOATBY exprtweti
their surprise, that,. after the resto;:ation
ancient GovernmC4 of France, thelions'e should
still be calied•upou for this vote.
The CIIANczELoa.6I the ReICHEQUER aIISWCIP

-:i, that the-elemosymtry-pensioners on-this..bowl-
ty, who were returning to ' their own country,
NV mild merely receive the allowance till they could..
conveniently leave the kingdom : .but there was
another anti considerable class who had claims 00
the justice of the country, either 'for sacrifices
which they had made, or for labour and service
which they had performed. Such were many of
:the sufferers at Toulon and at St. Domingo. Many
of these were willing to receive a soul in compen—
sation for their annual pension, and it had been
p r °posed to advance to them the amount of the
Allowance of three years ; and at least WOOL or
90001. of the grant' now moved for was to pay the
expellees of this compensation. He admitted that
the liberality of this country had been very great,
and the utmost delicacy had been shewn by men of
all parties towards the unfortunate emigrants --7-
Secrecy, however, would be no longer necessary;
and in future the sum voted for this purpose would
be completely accounted for.
Mr. PossoNßy asked whether the Frr.nch Le-
gislature had not come to a Resolution of paying
off all the debts of the King to this cotuttry ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHLQUER said, he
bad no official knowledge on this subject, though
he bad seen from the same sources as the Right
Hon. Gentleman, that something of the sort w'as
intended by the Legislature of France.
The resolution was then agreed to.
31,9001. to make good a vote of the last Session not paid
by Parliament, 69,536/. to make good a sum paid out of the
receipt of the Exchequer, not being part of the ordinary ex-
penditure of the Civil List, and not. yet made good by Podia-
niez,,t, 4,544/. for defraying the charges for old Naval Stores,
B,tibil. for Parliamentary Services, and 15,0001. to make com-
pensation to the American Commissioners, for settling the
Claims of American Loyalists, were severally voted.
The House resumed, and-die Report was ordered to be re-
cti7ed an.. Monday.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT gave notice of a motion for Tues-
day next, respecting Addresses made from certain Societies
is Ireland, called Orange Associations. ,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up an
Answer to the Address of list Session, and also to the Ad-
*dress of this Session, respecting Fens in Courts of Justice,
ttating..that measures and proceedings would be taken ae-
cord i ngl Y.
Mr. WHITBB.EAD asked if the Papers on the Spanish
business, debated the other night, were ready; and ahm, if
any inquiry had been made :respecting the conduct of Sir
James Dolt.
.The CHANCELLOR-of the EXCHEQUER said, he would
-bring the Papers to the. house the next time he came
down : no enquiry had yet. been .made respecting Sir James
Da..
Mr.TIERNEY wished tohnow, whether the expenses of the
journey of i(? Ring of France to his kingdom bad been paid
out of the, reits of Admiralty?
The y.AIANCULOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the sum
had been furnished from the fund of the Vote of Credit.
The Report of the Committee on Lord Walsingham's An,
unity was brought up ; anti a Bill ordered to be prepared.
Theßachney Coach Bill was read a second time.. Cons-
witted th,murrow.
The other Orders of the Day-were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned.

FRENCH PAPERS.

DECEIVED T.IIIS MORNING.)

•Mabmtb, Nov. I.—The Minister of ''War has
published a Circular, which fixes the mode of
formation of the corps destined on the expedition
(,r New Spain, under the orders of Field Marshal
M. P. de Linan. They were to be drawn by lot
from the regiments. of the army, in order that in-
dividuals appointed iu this manner might have no
pretext to refuse this extraordinary service.—
Notwithstanding this method, which leaves no
cause for disco it has been found impossible
to complete the eight thousand men which the
Minister demanded.

The English General Doyle has received from
his Majesty the supernumerary Cross of the Or-
der of Charles 111.
- The. CoMmission nominated by the King to
try individuals accused of treason, have promul-
gated their second sentence., Twenty-four indi-
viduals, of all
.classes; are condemned to exile, to
the gullies, or simply to pecuniary fines. Of
those condemned, the most remarkable is.the Ex-
.:Minister of War, Lieutenant-General O'Do-
nngliu, banished. for four years to a castle in
Majorca, after which he is forbid to return
to Cotirt, or to the capital... He is also de-
plared incapable of filling any place of trust,
is to pity the expences of . the. proceedings,
and to be seemly admonished - in case of
escape,. be will. be treated with all the rigour of
the law, andipeasures will .be put in force which
have alfeudyfbeen determined on respecting him.
The unexpected. fall and incarceration of the Mi-
nister Macanaz- has caused a great sensation.
The King himself has personally exercised this
authority. • After a mode_of proceeding so extra-
ordinary, we cannot doubt the weight of the crimes
which have lost Macanaz the favour of his august
Sovereign. This Minister, raised to that dignity by
the solefavourof his Master, whom he accompanied
to France; and for which cause be has already been
sent to. Vincennes., is to-day the object of one ge-
neral sentiment of pity. His short Ministerial
career has been marked by the signature of many
circulars, which have desolated a multitude of fa-
milies. We are absolutely ignorant of the motives
of the treatment which he expriences:
VtENNA, Nov. 12.—1 t is said that the Emperor
of Russia will pass, on
.bis return to his States,
a month- or six weeks at Berlin ; but this Mo-
narch has demanded, in a most express manner,
that he shall be received without ceremony, as a
faithful ally, as a sincere friend who is visiting
another.. These two Sovereigns will be at Berlin
on New-Year's-day.
Time Conferences appear to be more frequent,
•more long. and more brisk.
Prince aetterniekpreSides, but with the Con-
sent of the pther.Aliuisters, and without claiming
to do so from.. an,y;right of precedence or supe-
riority. The other Ministers sit as equals.
It appears that nothing has beet, de:ermined
kingdom of Naples
with respect to the . Although
connected by. the nearest tics of blood with the
ancient House of Naples and Sicily, our Emperor
is also strictly bound to King Joachim by a treaty
of peace, by the war which was made in concert
with bhn against nuonaparte, and by other causes.
These considerations render the situation of his
Imperial Majesty very difficult. lie cannot second
the desire of, France to replace iferdinand
nu the Throne of Naples, without violating
his engagement ; on the other side, he can-
Dot adopt the advice of England, which seems

French Papers to the 24th, and a variety of
Dutch and German Papers, supply us with ex-
tracts for Tun SUN of this day. Their news is
as heterogeneous as ever, and no part seems so
peculiarly authentic as to requ►re observation.

It is stated that MAjor-General Sir GEORGE►
MoanAy is to be employed in America. We can-
not at present say whether or not this report is
well founded ; but we can upon the best authority
assert, that wherever this Officer may be employ-
ed, he will do honour to himself and his country.
We know that Sir GEORGE was highly in the
confidence of our illustrious countryman, the Duke
of WELLINGToN, for his private worth and distill-.
guished military talents ; and, upon all accounts,
we shall be very glad when it is in our power to
state,the exact destination of an Officer so much
entitled to the esteem and admiration of the
Public.

We stated on 'Wednesday, that there was no
foundation for the reported return of the Duke
of WELLIZs'GTON from Paris, and new official ar--
rangements said to be consequent thereupon.
The Journals of this morning have discovered
that this information is correct, and have conse-
quently communicated the novelty to the Public.
They might also have noticed, that the, idle and
wicked rumours on which this return of our Am-
bassador was supposed to be recommended, were
as destitute of truth as the return itself; that the
story of balls having passed near the illustrious
Duke and the Duke de linaur at a review was a
baseless invention ; and that the story about Mar-
Shill Nay being affronted with 'aplate, was equally
an absurd fabrication. With regard to the latter
fact, we now state it, on the best authority, that
Ncv was not present at the dinner where the
circumstance invented for the Chronicle was af-
firmed to have happened, and that the Duke of
WELLINGTON has no such painted dishes as was
represented, but dines invariably off the service
of plate presented to him by the Officers in the
service of the East India Company, for victories
achieved long before those said to be so offensive
to the gout of the French Marshals.

We have always been of opinion that the dis-
aster which befel oni• gallant Army at the attack
a Foot Erie, was occasioned by American trea-

(AI( rl• : the fact is now placed beyond a doubt, by
a letter we have just received from a British Of-
ficer of the 103(1 Regimeut, who was severely
wounded on that occasion, of which the follow-

ing is an extract :
" Cbippawa, Sept. 4.
"This action hats been one of the most
bloody fair that has happened during the WiA r
and the moo unfortunate. We attacked the Fort
with an inferior number to the enemy, and got
possession of it, and our regiment was placed
over a large magazine ; but an American, who
dressed- himself in red clothing, and joined our
army, \volt with -some ot our men for ammuni-
tion, and the villain left a slow match in the ma-
gazine, cud ran off to the Yankees ; and, alas !
in the moment of victory, it exploded, four
hundred and twenty of our men were lost, and
out of 18 Officers, only four came off unhurt.—
Thus is the 10,Id Regiment completely cut up,"

The Party among us, as appears from last
night's Debate, are at present making more noise
than usual ; they have got hold of two or three
.new subjects, or rather of two or three new views
of old subjects, and it is excessively amusing to
observe how they ring the changes upon their
fools' bells, as if they were a regular and well-toned
musical chime. Norway is now in the minor Key,
but Saxony, Poland, and Italy, serve famously
for an eternal ding (long in the way of Conti-
nental jangling ; and little charming extra
episodes are got up upon America and the Slave
Trade, and all the Faction's well-known old Grand-
sires of milted finances ; 'Ministerial incapacity;
jobs, treble bob majors (in the 10th Hussars) and
the whole accustomed variety of Peals.
It is not our intention to follow them at pre-
sent through all the parts of this noisy concert ;
but merely to offer a few remarks en passant upon
their grand performance upon the Continental
changes.
The Paris Papers having teemed with a thou-
sand different reports relative to the settlement of
Europe, the Patty, lest they should-be thought
deficient in credulity, have doubted none of these
opposite and cOntradictoey statements, but, ar-
guing as if they firmly believed them all, have
taken occasion to arraign in turn every one of the
Allied Monarchs, and accuse them of injustice, of
ambition, of ingratitude, of a lust for lawless
aggi-andizement„ and, in short, of every crime,
political or moral, which can be found in the Code
of the Law of Nations, or in the decalogue. No
• matter how inconsistent either with truth or with
• each other these rumours have been, they have
served from day to day as the foundation for the ex-
pression of every species of gross suspicion, angry
abuse, and rancorous vituperation. • Why has this
been so ? Were it even true that these august Po-
tentates have entertained ideas of aggrandizement
under the pretence of -reimbursing themselves the
costs of the late struggle, and strengthening their
States against future aggression—even supposing
this to he the case, which we are far front allowing,
why have the Talents opened their months to
brawl so loudly against the act ? ! Surely they are
the last persons on earth wbo should condemn
ALEXANDER, or FREDERICK, or FRANCIS, for that
which they thought so excusable in BtJONAPARTE,
that they never uttered one word in dispraise of
his territorial usurpations, or in the slightest
degree blamed his extension of dominion.—
No, truly ! they had no objection to make
peace with BUONAPARTE when Italy was a Vice-
royalty of France, governed by his Son-in-
hi‘V ; when Puland was literally a French pro-
vince ; and when Saxony was nothing better, ex-
cept in the name of indepeudent kingdom, under
his protectorate, and occupied by his myrmidons.—
But a lively spirit of regard for national rights has
sprung up anew in their bosoms, and they wool('
go to war with the whole Continent rather than sub-
nut to it, since it has been hinted that Italy may
become to FRANCIS what it was before to BUONA-
PARTE ; and Poland be more independent, but al-
lied to ALEXANDER instead of being under NA-
POLEON ; and Saxony be united to Prussia instead
of being subservient to the Usurper of France !
Is it then men, and not thing, that these patriots
and universal philanthropists look to ?—is all the
difference to them only between their favourite
Emperor and other Monarchs, and not in the con-
dition of the Countries they take so warmly into
their special protection ? Let them shew us that
Italy will be in a worse state under the Arch-
duke CHARLES than under EUGENE BEAUHAR-
Nots, that Saxony will be more miserable in
union with Prussia than under a doting and
imbeeile instrument of the Tyrant BUONA-
rARTE, and that • Poland will not be less
oppressed by CONSTANTINE , than it was while
enslaved by a low and upstart desperado. They
cannot show us these things ; and they have too
much cunning to attempt the task. The mystery
of their calling is not to contrast these countries,
should they be thus settled, with their imme-
diately preceding situation; but they artfully re-
fer to a state of absolute •freedom, independence,
and integrity, which some of them never, and
others of them have long ceased to enjoy.
This sophistical • easoning rosy suit their purpose,
but common sense must detect its fallacy, and
declare against its unfairness. We have no right
to compare Italy, Saxony, or Poland as entirely
integral, free, and independent kingdoms, with
Italy, Saxony, or Poland, as annexed to Austria,
Prnssia,sand Russia, but are hound to carry our
comparison to these countries as they were found
by the Conquerors, i. e. as appendages to France,
an,.l under the direct domialoa of the Cor-ican.—
In this view, the change contemplated would be
• for their advantage ; though we are ourselves so
Mal the advocates for the restoration and creation
of Independence and Liberty, that we shall hail with
tvcat applause every act which way be performed,