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TITHES.

Mr. BRADY presented a petition from Drumbow,
praying for the abolition of tithes.

TEMPERANCE SOCIETIES.

Mr. HODGSON presented a petition from Newcastle-
on-Tyne, praying for the regulation of Temperance So-
cieties.

DANISH CLAIMS.

Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from an in-
dividual on the subject of the Danish Claims, praying for
compensation.
DUBLIN AND DROGHEDA RAILWAY.

Mr. O'CONNELL moved the further consideration of
the Report of the Committee on the Dublin and Drogheda
Railway.
Mr. F. SH A W had abstained from taking any part in
the discussions upon the Bill in Committee ; but
from all he could learn, and from what he had pe-
rused of the evidence, he had not the least doubt
that great public advantage would accrue from the
proposed line, and from the consequent introduction of
English capital into the country. There was no question
between the two lines, nor could there be any doubt as to
the great superiority of the coast line. As that was the last
opportunity he should have, he felt it his duty to state what
his sentiments upon the Bill were.

Mr. C. WOOD made an observation relative to the
Board of Admiralty, which we did not hear.

Mr. O'CONNELL was satisfied that there would be
no objection on the part of the Admiralty ; and besides,
they had no jurisdiction over the Dublin Harbour, which
was vested in the Ballast Board of Dublin. There was
but one opinion relative to the conduct of the Ballast Board
of Dublin, and that was, that it had done its duty fairly,
impartially, and most usefully.--(Hear.)
MORNING SITTINGS.

Mr. 'WALLACE moved that the House at its rising do
adjourn to Monday at twelve o'clock, to take into consi-
deration the Poole Corporation Bill.
Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET had heard no rea-
son assigned for such a proceeding, and should certainly op-
pose it.
Mr. POULTER said the object was to take into
consideration a case of great injustice, that had
been now four months before the House.—(Hear, hear.)
The matter was not a grievance of a local nature,
but a gross abuse of the Municipal Reform Bill ; and on
these grounds he should support the motion of the Hon.
Member for Greenock.

Mr. WYNN did not think there was anything in this
Poole Corporation Bill which gave it such importance
as that it should supersede all Public Bills, and
the whole of the business of that House in Committees.
Besides, Members of that House were obliged to take
food and nourishment the same as other persons, and if the
House sat from twelve o'clock to three, and then met again
at half-past four, there would not be time for it. They
would have to go into a Committee of Supply, in order to
vote that dinners be provided in the House for the Mem-
bers. It was absolutely necessary that the Members
should have time for taking food, exercise, and attend-
ing to other business.

-Lord JOHN RUSSELL was understood to object to
the House sitting on Monday morning.—(Hear, hear,
hear.) From what he had seen last night, he appre-
hended there would be great opposition to many of
the clauses, and therefore he considered it would be ad-
visable to have it discussed in a full House, although
he should be satisfied with any arrangement the House
might come to.
Mr. EWART thought that if the House sat at 12
o'clock there would be greater moderation and sobriety—
( Hear, hear, and laughter)--of language, and he had
observed that during the time of the Morning Sittings
Hon. Members had made much shorter speeches.
Mr. J. HEATHCOTE protested most strongly against
this measure being taken if it was to supersede other
business.

Mr. PRAED considered that from the natare of the
Bill itself, it was most desirable the House should not take
it into consideration before five o'clock. It was a Bill
which for the first time established legislative interference
with a pending judicial proceeding, and it was therefore
most desirable that those Learned Gentlemen who were
Members of the House should be present, especially the
Law Officers of the Crown.
Mr. P. THOMPSON said, that as several Committees
had been specially fixed for Monday, there would be great
difficulty in making a House, and if the Hon. Member
pressed his proposition to a division many Members would
vote against it on the ground of these Committees sitting.
He suggested, therefore, to the Hon. Member, that if he
wished his proposition to have a fair trial he should post-
pone it to some other day.
Mr. WALLACE agreed to postpone his proposition.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.

Lord J. RUSSELL moved that the House do at its
rising adjourn to Monday.—Agreed to.
EXPORTATION OF WOOL.

_ .
Mr. G. HEA THCOTE wished to put a question to
the Right Hon. Gentleman, the President of the Board of
Trade, in reference to the very considerable exporta-
tion of wool from the country. It amounted annually
to five millions of pounds. The state of the trade
between this country and France, was in a most unsatis-
factory state, for whilst the produce of France was
allowed to be imported into this country at almost
a nominal duty, there was a very heavy ad valorem duty
imposed by France upon our exports. During the course
of the last year he understood that a reduction had taken
place, and he hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would
explain whether it was true or not, and whether a
remission of duty had been carried into effect ?
Mr. P. THOMSON said that he had stated last year
that he had made representations to the Government of
France on this subject, and that be was in hopes that some
reduction would take place. He could now state that a
considerable reduction had taken place in the duty upon
foreign wool imported into France.—(Hear, hear.)

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MARRIAGE BILL.
Mr. WILKS rose to move, p4isalknlt to' notice, -that a
741esasTss be sent to the House of' Lords to, request their
Lordships (';`:.firturn to this House the Marriage' Bill, foe
the purpose of an dillerraii--,cut being made in the ingross,
merit, such amendment beiwe to Issave out the proviso eon,
taining time declaration " That CA4' has conscientious
sessvlea ngainst being married hi are' Assist's or chapter, or
With any r61):f!,*1”4 ceremony," the said titneminvnt having
been made in thlc iltms,e of Commons on the third Y eadin
tif the Rills but omitted to be made in the ingrossnimmt,
OM :SHAM—Saw no objection to the date.
now proposed ere Hon. Member. He thought some
of those errors arose frosu alterations being made on the
third reading of Bills. When he first went into Parlia-
meuf isiLenitions were always made on the engrossed part
of Bills. A to the ancient practice in this re-
spect would, in his tfiliihi:tin, be most desirable.
Mr. WYNN hoped sOille arrangement would be made
to prevent the introduction of' amendments upon the third
reading of a Bill, as at such a time it was quite impossible
that their provisions could be fully or properly considered.
Mr. WILKS concurred in the vier; taken by the
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. It was an increasing
nuisance, which that House and the public should endeavour
to check.
Mr. BA INES observed that the greatest should
be given to Hon. Members to make amendments or altera-
tions in every stage. In the present case the amendment
made had been very beneficial.
After a few words from the SPEAKER the motion was
put and agreed to.
EMIGRATION TO AUSTRALIA.
Mr. LUSHINGTON begged to ask the Hon. Baronet
the Secretary for the Colonies, whether any sum was
contributed out of the Colonial Funds for promoting
female emigration to Australia. It appeared that twelve
vessels. had been sent out by the Emigration Com-
mittee, containing 1,500 young females, consisting. of
twenty families in each vessel, all of whom had arrived
safely at their destination, without a single death having
occurred. He begged to know whether the conduct of the
Emigration Committee had been .satisfactory to the Govern-
ment, as some obervations had been made upon it by the
Hon. Member for Berkshire h few nights ago ?
Sir GEORGE GREY had great satisfaction in stating
that the Committee of which the Hon. Member was an
active member, had rendered most efficient service to the
Government in promoting emigration to the Colonies.
With respect to the funds contributed by the Colonial
Government, he would refer the Hon. Member to the
annual returns laid upon the table of the House.
In answer to a question from Mr. A. TREVOR,
Lord S. RUSSELL said that he could not give the
Hop,.
,Member any satisfactory information. He under-
stood, however, that by the Lords' Amendments the Co-
roners of the county Durham were placed on• the same
footing as before.
ECCLESIASTICAL DUTIES AND 'REVENUES.
The NOBLE LORD then moved for leave to bring in a
Bill to carry into effect the 4th Report of the Commis-
sioners on Ecclesiastical Duties add Revenues.—Agreed to.
CHURCH OF' ENGLAND BILL.
On the Order of the Day for the House resolv;tag itself
into Committee on this Bill being read,
Lord J. RUSSELL said, in moving that the House
do go into Committee on the Church of England
felt it his duty to give some general view of the
measure before the House. Desirous as he was to
correct the errors, and promote reform in all
the institutions of the country, and particularly the Esta-
blished Church of England, he was always anxious that,
those reforms should have the sanction of the Prelates
and the great body of the clergy, as well as of the laity.
Whether it was a positive evil or not, it was one which had
very great weight on public opinion, and. which
had been the cause of suspicion and accusation against those
who were placed in the poorer bishoprics. It was said; and na-
turally said, without any means of contradiction,' that those
who were placed in the poor Bishoprics would anxiously be
desirous of being translated to the many that were of higher
value, and that probably their attention, in the first place, was
diverted from the care of their own sees, to which they did
not pay that attention and regard they would do were they
appointed for life to one particular see ; and in the second
place, it was said their conduct and independence as Peers
of Parliament was affected by the hope of promotion.
It was therefore with great satisfaction that he saw the
Archbishops and Bishops, as well as lay persons, ap-
pointed to the 'Commission issued by the advice of the
Right Honourable Baronet opposite. That Commission
was succeeded by another, and with the exception of the
substitution of some of his Majesty's present Miniiters
for those who were formerly in office, the persons who com—
posed it were the same. The Commissioners:agreed to a Re-
port, the recommendations of which he truste.4 would meet
with the concurrence of the Right Hon. Baronet. If this
should be the case he should also have the conenaTence of
the heads of the Church, and of the leaders of .the dif-
ferent parties. He could not forbear to add, that .since
he had the honour of entering his Majesty's service,
his Majesty had always evinced the greatest anxiety that
the measures recommended by this Commission should
be carried into effect. He stated this, because much
as he valued Reform, he thought it an additional be-
nefit when it met the concurrence of a variety of parties.
He trusted the importance of the subject would lead the
House to give it that due consideration which its import-
ance demanded, although there might not be that excite-
ment ..
and that interest which was occasioned by measures
that had more of a party character. One of the
first complaints that had been usually made with re-
spect to Church Establishments, was the inequality
of the bishoprics, both with respect to duties and to revenues. •
With respect to duties, the territorial division was most
unequal, and the number of benefices varied in a very great
degree. There was an inequality still more injurious respect-
ing the amount of revenues. The income of the see of Can-
terbury was 18,0901., Durham 19,480/., and London 13,890/.
while for Llandaff the income of the .see was only
1,170/., Oxford 1,6001., and Rochester 1,459/.—(Hear.)
The plan of the Commissioners very naturally' and justly
provided that some sees should have a larger revenue, ac-
cording to the importance and extent of the diocese, and
the expense they were consequently put to. With respect
to the revenue, the bishopricks would by this .Bill
approach much nearer to an equality than they had
hitherto done, so that it would not be necessary hereafter
to give to them any benefices or livings in commendain,
except those that hitherto by custom had been annexed to
them. The Noble Lord then referred to the amount of
income which, by this Bill, was to be given to each of
the Bishoprics, none of them amounting to more thai: five
thousand pounds. The only exceptions to this ware
the Archbishoprics of Canterbury and York, and the Bishop-
rics of London, Durham, and Winchester. Durham
would not have so large an income. This, the smaller
sees, and the two new sees would be subject to translation ;
but he (Lord John Russell) did not think that' any real
benefit would result from the proposal of an Hon. Gen-.
tleman, who had given notice of a motion to the effect that
no translations should be permitted. In- the first place there
were few Bishops who could indulge the hope or expectation
of it. The objection hitherto urged, that the occupants of
inferior sees looked for better bishoprics, was obviated
by the small difference between 4,5001. a year, and
5,000/. a year. A Bishop who had taken possession of
his see, who had expended a considerable sum upon
his establishment, and who had 4,500/. a year, would
not be willing to quit his residence and connections
for an advance in his income of only 5001. or 7001. a
year. It remained to be considered whether it would be at
all for the benefit of the Church that with respect to the
archbishoprics and larger bishoprics the Crown should have •
no power of translation. The fact of the archbishop occu-
pying the highest position on the bench, prevented the pos-
sibility of any of the objections which were. urged against
translations applying to that dignitary. He could not per-
suade himself that te House would attempt the. plan be
had referred to as an amendment to that proposed .by the
Commissioners. He did feel that the plan of the Comeiis-
sioners did, as far as could be rationally expected, put an
end to translation. It was calculated to put an end gene-
rally to the temptation to the bishops to neglect their dio-
ceses in the hope of translation, and those filling the inferior
bishoprics would be more likely to act independently of poli-
tical parties, by whom they might otherwise be influenced, for
the sake of some preferment. At the same time, this plan
did not interfere with the prerogative of the Crown. The
Crown would still have the power to choose, if it thought
proper, a bishop of an inferior see for full Archiepiscopal
dignities. He had stated what would be the result with
respect to particular bishoprics. There would be a certain
number of them, the income of which would be raised to
4,500/. per annum. It seemed to have been first in the
contemplation of the Commissioners, and the first report
bore out that view of the subject, to take away some of the
revenues of the bishoprics, as the impropriate tithes ; and
where it was thought advisable, to apply a part of those
revenues to the dioceses from which they were taken, and
make them supply also the deficiencies of other places. (So
we understood the Noble Lord, but the noise in the House
was frequently so great that we heard him very indistinctly.)
The Commissioners, however, came to be of opinion, that it
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might have been applied to )ecal Wants in other places He would not go into the whole plan of the Commissioners,
'equally requiring' them. thetelbre it was thou to take the whole of this revenue, which ht better but be would state the circumstances of some of the parishes
amounted to
'about 1.50000/., and make the arrangement now proposed. in which there was a large population, the spiritual wants of
The Noble Lord here quoted from documents to the fol- which were inadequately au lied, His Lordship quoted from
the following table t-
Partslici. Ptulalion Church room
Jawing effect :-
Pre
po-ed Arrangement of 4 ~,t..-. 166,000 • • 8,200
-episcopal Incomes according to L0nd0n....,..........,,...,... 21 • 7,30,000 ...%.,, 60,155
Third Repolc-Propositions 41 and 42,
9 • 15,8900
t•RoposITIoN 41.
, '''•hesktfn........38 -...v., 816,000
.74 Estimated PrOpqnsi ),cces4. York
..• • • • • ,2.0
• Income. future income. Lichtiela and Vo.Velltry 16
I. Canterbury ~.....,.18,090 ~...,...15 0(Y0 3 090 ,
......----..-.. ----
, ..... ,
York ............... 10,270 ....... .10,000
108 9,590,000
London .. .......... 13,890 ....... ..10,000
One-ninth.
Durham .. ...... : ... 19,480 -
Winchester ......... 10,T370 ........ 7,0130
CHESTER DIOCESE.
............... . 9,400 ..... .... 5,00 3,900
..., ,-, e•
W OreeSter ......... 6,500
Rectory,
-0 - Impro. s-,v 3z ;
Bath and Wells .., 5,550
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St. Ariph ...... ... 5.500 Z or Curacy. V r,
Bar, goy
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ID- 15536 219' --
102,860 70,700 32,160 Londondale...s "c-rage / Chester. j Chester.
Collegiate
----- -_- .-____. Nceton,in Man.
11621' 155 -
} Perpet.Curacy/ Church
2. Bristol 2,090 t Deficiency. chester
Manchester.
Gloucester 2,130 S .... •.. 5,000 .... 780 Oldham r Rector of") 32381 191 -
t Preswich.S
PROPOSITION 42.
6360 294 -
Runcorn
3. Carlisle
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Chester
.713 88 -
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Chester.
Chichester
.St. David's
ed With great 1
Hill .... 41.4., Tithe=
Exeter
%9 3616 -
Win*lekt,
Hereford -
3 Lichfield
......... 4,500 ...... la(' Whittle le Woods Perpet.Curacy 2987 40 -
1710 96 -
Lincoln
1,170
Wood Plumpton Perpet.Curacy
Llandaff
3,330 Perpet Curacy under Lyne...} - •
Oxford 1,600 ...
Collegiate
.f
Peterborough ...... 3,380 ......... 4,500
11238 116 -
I
1,120 Heaton Norris.... Perpet.Curacy Church
Rochester 1,450 ......... 4,500 ...... 3,osoNfanchester.
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Dean and
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1015 101
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33,560 54,000 20,440
Winchester.
. Manchester ........................... 4,500
4•
4,500 Douglas, in Ee.
..... 1474 70, -
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NRoipronnlch
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Saint Bridget's,
766 7.51 -
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SUMMARY.
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From. To. Excess. Deficiency,
£ £ £ lt. 9 sees tr., be reduced 102,860 70,700 32,160 .£
LI 1 see to be raised...
... 780
.3. 12 sees to be raised 4,220 5,000 1
to 4,500 i. each. 33,560 54,000
4. 2 lieu* sees at the same .
4. 2 tinalkered .. 9,000
9,700 9,700

lie thought he was justified in saying that though there
was the sum of 130,000/. proposed to be devoted to the
object he had stated, that sum being derived from the
cathedral churches, not only must that amount be very soon
exhausted, but if it were much larger there would evidently
be the means of employing it advantageously in those
parishes in which there had grown up an immense popula-
tion, and in which there was no adequate income for the
clergy. What he was now stating, in his opinion, bore
very much on the question which had been often mooted. in
this House and elsewhere, but to which he did not now
wish more particularly to allude than to state it ; he meant
the question as to whether the revenues of the deans and
chapters in this country might not be applied to other pur-
poses than those connected with the Church—whether this
were not wanted for the Church itself.--(Hear.) It ap-
peared to him that this question was settled by the, state-
ment he had made, and by the Report of the Commis-
sioners. It was certainly contrary to his opinion,and to the
opinion expressed by the Commissioners, that the whole of
the revenue of the deans and chapters should be applied as
at present ; yet such was the deficiency of spiritual instruc-
tion in parts of those districts, that they could not, with a
due regard to the efficiency of the Church, apply them to
other purposes than to supply the spiritual wants of the
people. There was another Bill which he would not enter
particularly into now, but which formed a part of the gene-
ral scheme ; he meant the Bill which had come down from
the House of Lords with respect to pluralities and resi-
dence. In the report of the Commissioners were to be
found many instances of clergymen who, while there were
parishes so inadequately supplied, were holding two or
three rectories, and, perhaps, sinecures amongst them, of
the value of 2,800/. and 3,000/. and upwards, arid al-
lowing very small sums for the performance of the duties
to the curates of the parishes to which they belonged.
This had been felt, and must be felt, as a great defect and
great grievance.—(Hear, hear.) It had been an object
with the Commissioners, as far as possible, to put an end to
these grievances, and to this purpose they proposed that
residence should be strictly enforced. The Bill required
that each clergyman should be resident on his living for
nine months in the year ; in case of any special exemp-
tion a return was to be made to the King in Council,
which would afterwards be laid before Parliament, so that
any case of undue indulgence would be immediately known.
The Bill would also prohibit persons from holding two livings
together, except they were within ten miles of each other.
That in effect would, he thought, put an end to pluralities
altogether. So far as his examination had gone he consi-
dered he was under the mark when he said that nine-
tenths of the pluralities at present existing would be put
an end to by a provision of that sort. Nor under this
Bill would a person bolding a living of 5001. a year hold
another except under peculiar circumstances. There were
some cases in which it might be an advantage for a living
poorly endowed, to be held by a clergyman with a large in-
come from another living if he chose to undertake the
smaller one. With respect to the abolition of pluralities,
there were some cases of difficulty, such as those in which
the livings were so small as not to afford a sufficient remu-
neration ; hut he himself did not much apprehend embar-
rassment here, because in most of those instances there had
been curates, the fact being that the living was in itself
not so poor, but the greater portion of it was taken by the
rectors. With respect to the patronage in the hands of
the Crown, he did not entertain the objection to it felt by
some. He considered it the means of connecting the State
with the Church, and thought it would be a great evil to have
a Church totally unconnected with the State. Placing
Church patronage in the hands of the Crown afforded the
means of uniting the Church with the State, and thus gave
an assurance that the Crown would take care of the welfare
of the Church on the one hand, and on the other that the
Church would not attempt to counteract the general policy
of the State ; nor did he object to patronage being left
in the hands of private individuals. In a country like
this persons composing the different classes of society should
have their interests as much as possible interwoven one
with the other. He was further of opinion, that it was
advantageous to have a small amount of patronage in the
hands of the bishops, inasmuch as it was the duty of the
bishops to observe and superintend the conduct of the
clergy ; and one way of enabling them to do so with effect
was to give them the power of bestowing rewards, as well
as the power of discouraging improper conduct. If a
clergyman had conducted satisfactorily the affairs of a
small benefice for a great number of years, it might be
considered that he had a claim on the bishop, which would,
perhaps, not be attended to so immediately either by the
Crown, or by those who possessed private patronage. He
considered it right that the bishops should have the power of
attending to cases of this description. With respect to the
other classes of preferment in the hands of the deans and
chapters, without entering into that question, or throwing
blame on any parties, he might say he did not see any par-
ticular reason why large numbers should be without
the rewards to which they were fairly entitled, while many
not only had a stall in one of the cathedrals, but likewise
held a benefice. He thought it was fairly proposed by the
Commissioners, with a view to augment the livings, that the
bishops in future, in cases where canons did not take the
preferment themselves, should have the power of distri-
buting the patronage which had hitherto been in the hands
of the dean and chapters. He believed he had now al-
luded to the principal heads of the scheme proposed by the
Church Commissioners. It appeared to him that this was
a measure of reform which, while it was of a temporary cha-
racter, would cure the evils of which there was abundant
reason to complain. If this Bill passed there would
exist no longer those immense incomes—there would exist
no longer those offensive pluralities—those excessive in-
comes of the deans and chapters, while there were
large districts in which no provision was made for the
religious wants of the people. It was his fate, some
years ago, to state that, in his opinion, the revenues of
the Church of England were not too large, but that they
ought to be more equitably distributed. The expres-
sion of that opinion brought down upon him the cen-
sure of a Right Reverend Prelate ; but he still en-
tertained the same opinion ; and he was now sup-
ported in his view by this Report of the Commissioners,
who declared it to be their opinion that the revenues of the
Church might be more equally distributed—that they
might be distributed in a Manner more conducive to the
efficiency of the Establishment. In proposing this change,
however, they did not propose, nor did they think it expe-
dient any more than he did, to diminish the revenues of the
Church. He trusted that these Bills would be carried into
effect, and he trusted this object would be accomplished
without exciting any opposition or any irritation such as
similar plans had before excited. He could not conclude
without paying the tribute of thanks due to the Archbishop
at the head of the Commission, who had shown every dis-
position to consult public opinion where he thought it just
and reasonable. His Lordship concluded by moving " for
leave to bring in a Bill to carry into effect the Fourth Re-
port of the Commissioners on Ecclesiastical Duties and
Revenues."
Mr. C. LUSHINGTON proposed an amendment—
" That an bumble address be presented to his Majesty,
praying that his Majesty will be graciously pleased to issue
his commands to the Commissioners appointed to extanine
into the state of the Established Church iA England, tc. take
into consideration and report their opinion on the expediency
of abolishing the existing system of the translation of bit ;hops
from one see to another."
Mr. E WART seconded the amendment. He could not
see any equality in a system in which the revenues of the
bishops so much varied--the differences existing in tl te in-
comes of the bishops were, in his opinion, so many steps in
the ladder of ambition. If they did away with transla-
tions, there would be no longer temptations to ambiti on in
the Church. He objected to this measure, because it pro-
vided for the great aristocracy of the Church, instel d of

20,440

9,000

X 150,340 148,400 32,160 30,220
148,400 30,220

£1,940 £1,940
Thus, dividing the proposed income of 150,000/. among the
archbishops and bishops, it would give
To the Archbishop of Canterbury £l5OOO
To the Archbistio ,
10,000 of York
To the Bishe,p of London
To the, Bishop of Winchester
Anrft to other bishops various sums, the high-
e
st amount being 5,500
„... And the lowest amount being
4,500
Ile thought that by this arrangement he should provide
for these bishoprics in a manner which could not be said to
exhibit either extravagance or any undue proportion. He
'knew it might be stated that the revenues of an Archbishop
... Of Canterbur7 or of the Bishop of London should not be as
146 as he had proposed it ; but he must say he thought the
ofcomparison that had been made as between an Archbishop
Canterbury or a Bishop of London, and persons holding
civil and judicial offices, was obviously not a just compari-
son- Persons filling
Pettses the :latter offices incurred certain ex-
connected with the duties of their office, but there
the demand upon their salaries ended. With respect to an
archbishop or bishop, he was placed according to the con-
stitution of the Church, and that constitution he did not
wish to alter, among persons having a large revenue derived
from the property of the country. He was placed in a cer-
tain house which required a certain establishment to be main-
tained, and that there should be observed certain duties of
lospitality ; he was placed in a situation in which even more
was required from him than from men of rank and landed
prop ge expense being incurred by him on
account of charity. In all these respects his situation
teas totally different from that of a Chief Justice of the
ring's Bench or a First Lord of the Treasury, who re-
ceivquented an official salary
conse , out of which he paid the expenses
'on the performance of the duties of his office,
and nothing else. It was not the plan of our Church
that its ministers should be considered mere functionaries,
receiving certain stipends from the State, and having
aiothing but their bare duty to perform as a return for
their stipends.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Nor did he propose
bpd the preeent Bill to alter the plan in that respect ;
unless Parliament did alter it, they could make no
fair
-I,S corraparison between the situation of a Bish at the
'ad of the Church, and the situation of those holding
°"[Le-lal salaries. He came next, after the duties and reve-
slikvres of the Bishops, to consider the duties and revenues of
:11t cathedral deans and chapters. Several of these dig-
011aries were now held by Bishops, and the Commis-
them enters thought that objectionable ; they thought it took
the be performe
avvae from the
ought to performance of the duties which
d • and they were of opinion, also,
that '
tam' 1 duties of the deans and chapters ought to be sub-
The 'a IY performed by persons appointed for that purpose.
not
Commissioners were further of opinion, that it was
° necessary to have so large an establishment as now ex-
of these
Isted for the performance of that description of duty. Many
were sinecure dignitaries, and in some of the dis-
tricts there was an excessive number, there being at e
.Beille time in such districts a great want of spiritual instruc-
th
'l_°N It seemed to the Commissioners, whatever abstract
0W pion they might entertain with respect to the utility of such
•aignitaries being maintained as rewards for learning
and piety
I'l:the Church, that they might, with a due regard to the
emcieney of the Church, make a considerable reduction in
.the cathedral deans and chapters. But acting on the prin.
fie he had explained of removing the defects and abuses
,the Church, and not altering the general form and prin-
'Nei of the establishment, they did not entertain the
Pro Position of doing away with these cathedral dignitaries.
Some had made that pr oposition, but it did not appear to the
'Commissioners that it would be wise to destroy that establish-
ment. The Commic,sioners were of opinion that three or four
canons were as small a number as would be required by the
cathedral duties, and at the same iime they had left neither
the whole in,..ome of these different canons, nor that reward
for literary merit, the ease which was formerly found in
many of the cathedral establishments. Their opinion with
regard to
seine many of the cathedrals, was that of the canons,
tane one or more might well perform a duty of great impor-
t to the Church
remuneration, viz., the duty of archdeacon.
nauerated th was no duty which ought to be more adequately re-
ere an that of the archdeacon, and it appeared that
re-
there to better way of obtaining that object than by
ar
Prose ing one or more of the canons, as occasion might
i, I:er the performance of that duty. Much depended
on tae archdeacons ; the bishop derived from them his
klne.lurvviedge of his diocese, and by their superintendence the
Yor
e cthe h was kept in that state of repair which was necessary
performance of divine service. There were other
cases in which it was not thought expedient that these
member was
canonries should remain—he alluded to those in which the
situated in large
unusually large, and in which they were
Parishes where there was no adequate
provision for the religious instruc.tion of the people. It
was thought that
, canonries might in some instances,
be safely employed in the performance ance of those du-
ties ;and while 4 sufficient meansP would be afforded to
them, there would be assigned to them an important paro-
chial duty. InaSmuch, then, as there would be three or
four canons left to every cathedral, it could not be said
that the Establishment would have withdrawn from it_
that being ground which had been frequently combatted,
and he was not one who thought it ought to be surrendered
ground—the means of providing for the wants of men of
distinguished learning and abilities. Tere were men to
Whom owl: of those canonries, connected with much business
and lab our, would not be suited, because those most dis-
tingu:,shed for learning were frequently not the best men of
business, or the best adapted to large and populous parishes.
Ttaere would be a certain number, then, but it would be a
'Mall number, of canonries left, in which the only service
to be performed would be the cathedral service—
which(Ha—
would not be connected with ay other duties.
The result of this change with respect tout he cathedrals
Would be to procure a large sum for the purposes of parishes
lovhich wanted spiritual care. His Lordship here read the
following :
Pe, Estimated amount of the property and revenues referred to
`roposition 56 of the 4th Report, from each source res-
ively
I. Corporate Incomes of all the suppressed Re-
sidentiary Canonries, propositions 1,2, 15
(excepting at Chester and Lichfield proposi
tion 16, and in the Welch Cathedrals.—Pro-
positions 21, 24, 25)64,699
2. Separate Estates of all Deans and Canons on
the old foundation, proposition 17 (excepting
where wholly or in part specially appropriated,
3' Sproposition 18, 31)
eparate Estates of Deans and Canons of
17,194
Durham...... 11,510, and
Ely ...............260
But see Proosition 36) 4. Separate Endowments p
of all sinecure prebends
and offices, proposition 30 (excepting those
.annexed to bishoprics._. 3d Report, proposi-
tion 50, and those specially appropriated.-
4th Report, propositions 22, 26, 31)

5. Sinecure Rectories —Proposition 44

120,494
8,894

£129,388