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cs at bankers, no pape tented ? Whence, then, those numerous meetings through-
,ow constitutes gh-
low constitutes a man's out the country? Whence those political unions
Lee. Is there no change (Cheers.) Whence those petitions tinder which your table
tll a man's property an- groans? If it works so well, why was it that at the last
I introduced a change general election there was one unanimous Parliament
, what did I but restore elected to carry Reform into effect? My Lords, I am
intended to be ? lam
.one of the last men to have recourse to intimidation,
,u to reform the law that and one of the last to suffer it ; but I confess,
fining stationary, a great my Lortdhse,
grtehaattmeeltincgasnntoutwhrieegharyturwaitttheoutittiungwreaas
me thing is true of Par-
,ns first began, and bo-
eaelast
there assembled—bound to say as an honest man
anxiety,lld night. lam bound to say, out of respect to the
multitude. . representative to Pat lia-
be filed in the Court of
head of the Magistracy,
—as a Minister of the Crown, and, above all, bound to say
yarned Friend
akundowwshetuo as a Magistrate, and placed at the
that all combinations
But
refuse to tomepeatymtghse,
if they are not
sKing's taxes are
s are
lug h eager to retain certainly unlawful.
to Parliament, and general, and have not leaders, are a mere br
to
e nzft an end
le iCumbent on us to make and the way to deprive them of leaders and put
de of the representatiand
.on to such combinations, is to give them a place in Parlia-
iubmit to your Lordships
all meet in this way—the Government hill be
ment ; but if that combination continue—if the large
in the community, de- small towns a
.. . .
Kling change in the law. resolved into its primitive elements. The Noble and
by some well-turned Learned Lord then denied that be was an adorer of the mob,
judiciously used. They or
he might here have an opportunity of being a wor-
shippero an idol more powerful than that of Juggernaut ,
Does it, my Lords ? How
lea it work well for those and declared that all such meetings would be put an end to
thousand inhabitants, by giving the people representatives in Parliament. The
resented in Parliament, Noble and Learned. Lord afterwards very happily compare!
' hoosing their Members the proceedingas
Billin that House to the proceedings in the
to amend the Peerage, which might
eed, a great deal less than Commonsd
4055 it,
re L sitting near me.—(A laugh.) Works well, be sent oonwn to the other House from the Peers ;
l'l'Y Noble YFriend (the Duke of Devonshire) were one of and after
ner corresponding to that which their Lordships now
!flatlet, sui are to giveg to the Reform Bill—they having
anxious to carry his goods to the best proposed
d have it rejected—he stated that he was
indeed, h"e Might have what he pleased. Higher rank,
pees* for hi not have, unless a rank were made ex- naoeve that every one of their Lordships would regard that
Eferertninaide job ;
.but what perpetuity of office, what in- sure
uncourteousry treatment. It would be considered
his° tohhio. might he not command, were he not averse asa unbearable and intolerable, and he adjured theis. Lord-
e natne......tbeit attd what number of his family, bearing
..Oaat hri,.. op te.illustrious name, which is connected with ships not to imitate it, but allow the Reform Bill to be
read a second time. The Noble and Learned Lord. then
referred to what the Noble Earl connected with theh
;Furrui!i y 607
thee
,ti.d of our history which placed the present
rone, and secured to us the enjoyment of
teak iberties end" county of Kent (the Earl of Winchilsea) had said.hoefdt
ase
b.! such . lavvs--if my Noble Friend had chosen to
-..e• -us f • • .
in, h. eo n Press. last night, which that Noble Earl hid d
kat in'tbi: vr!uerated is boroughs, is there any one person them oasutd tyrannical that any country had ever groaned
then went on—My Lords, that the Press has
anYthi. il°use ? M Noble Friend
name, who might not have had a under,
y.might have had great influence. over the public opinion Ido not d.eny;. it
044;1' but e_ .
(e 1123 Purpose nag used his influence for the. more is most certain that that. influence dependsshouunlditsugppmansge
holes 11.) / ra.., 0 of doing good to the community._ along with public opinion. If. the Press
, it vm.., 6,i not how the system works for him, I ask pand
üblic opinion it would lose its power.. I will tell your
14114.....1, 'its for the good of the 4 000 or 5,000 inhabi-
, .
rode ''''w it worksuch large sway over public opinion.
Lordships. .what raises the Press into importance,... I
gives it a
Whe_ bra hint _ . s for them ? I sat in Parliament
.for what
eosin Inv
,s_.uuglas for three or four weeks, at that period
decision
will tell you where the basis is, which I hope is not a
o,egettr tfies`..uuntrymen
conferred on me the greatest rock, but only—and that will depend. on
your
what the
this night—a quick-sand. I will tell you
me,
.t: sit for
then confer on a subject—that of electing
basis of the power of Press is : the Press has
becausechosen
ell'a r knare.,eergreat county of York; but at that periodlll
to make itself the organ of
.public opinion,
When
fur
You howwu for three or four weeks, and I will
that opinion wants an authorized organ. 7 you
lito 4"
forthe thoughsystem works. The Member who is
ask where is its title—on what isit based . I.answer—on
tpi contact
_.toWn runs the risk of his life; he comes
the ruin of all public confidence in what is called the
vh."ll him ~.`nth bricklayers, masons, and others, who
of the people. On that is erected that
• ite:eb.they m'eantaliainent by means of those missiles, with representationother representative system—the representation of the
fttas udeed, trually assail liim.—(A laugh.) I arrived
daily and weekly journals. Those journals had set them-
tliaileN by hu.. ° days after the election, having been
selves up as the rivals of the House of Commons. So
iti ring ; but miss, and did not enjoy the honour of a
et hi me friend
long as the House of Commons had no standing to rest e:
4 °l, yea, c, who had filled my place, when I
i • the affections of the people, just so long would the plaper,
ho teriea_., oandaged about the bead with sometoing
a ut s coif
be the representatives of the public opinion just so
.m.-ig,
(I.:aWas the
alas • I asked him if he had got a cold ?
serriter.) Su el
: I got a blow as your representati.ve. and no longer ; and if ever I felt confident of any opinion
I may have formed, it is of the one I am now going
bad °tore n„ surely, my Lords no constituent ever lin-
it. al! more
, his representative,!for m representative to your Lordships—that in the passing of this Bill,.
tender
-setatie e eurdtoe
and y
ffi • the Press will not lose its
411 the 1::I' Reform benefits ofthe repro-none of the
and leave
or of one of equal e ciency,
• • d • for, God forbid, that in this
influence—not be annihilate
the i.., et.tefit
ec
~ would take away the
.burden,
of
to prevent its
free country it ever should be either, so as
eho_e".uattbitantt 'of'ne representation behind.
.No onte
is
pointingmistakesthe
out the errors of the people—theef
ice tvg their _cr the borough has the. least interest
t re resenta-
Executive Government, or the n.eglect. o
sf t7.t.' e will t...rrP esentattve—the choice of their repre-
I teit willP enjoy
tives of the people. But my opinion is, .t la .
tweiuut home "stored to them. At present the voters
moderate, a constitutional, a safe, an innoxio. ,us an in-
th ,re mil r" are three or four farmers who live ten or a
eus.ifluence over the public—all that is salutary
rte, burgafre°u, who ride into town before dinner, have
lel retar their banded over to them, give their and°li utsveeful remaining, and all that is noxious and hurtfulhse
swept away.—(Cheers ) I look on; aln
alsstaeeia..
toe,' 4,0% Pr qualification, and the election. is over. being
whether in the Press, or in unions,
if l'ery We habitants,na of whom this election is a growths,
the
eY re
ne't to f • • • such ne— tions, or leagues . against the Exchequer, or secret. socie•
14,6. Were 41
s, . eel indignation at a sc.e d
bred out of the corruption of the
ties, as monstrous things
sert_', I will taind as not to be indignant at this e-
When it has been
feel 4141 Y 1 not
BaY that I should despise them, but Present representation of the people.
th answer is at
indi Mild not h if they did not askee w
1 hat has given birth to them, e
that which
it,-
ix.
t; greant at thi respect tem
it is no other power than
the 1%1 Whom ?
..,.* cruel mockery. Work well
does hand. Trust me,
g of Ireland in 1782.
for called together the volunteers Well e'nbers ; i'.
For the country ? No; nor yet
than that which
Trust me, it is DID other and ..,",, (Hear, fur the borough proprietors it works (Hear.)
.etereet ' hear, hear •) They dispose of the rights engendered.
the Catholic Association. Trust in) e,
carry i °F the •
rights refused—(Loud cheers
them .4 their
poo oters--they dictate, by the votes they it is justice withheld,
hear)—the folly of A d for wrongs perpetrated—(Hear,
Par the Works vr ~aete, to the Government..
against their will—
n having that men can be governed aga
be-
Parcel e People of well ! I say again, for whom?cheers__
inhabitants
) the idiotcy of supposing that the
the South
If the ~af the wh-c'ngland ? Are the Members part and (
England are to be treated like the savages of
ders sf°ll"nbers shot representation of the people ?—No. ofd
7 the frenzy of assuming that you can govern
so,. ,- urga„ rePresented towns or counties, or the hint- Sea han s,.
en old 'e r•enur •
men like children or like savages,—(Hear,
• a es —(Hear, hear.) These
the pep ors, the a, or the middle classes, or the 101.
the country with these noxious
ee°Ple • eY alight feel • tin the welfare of it is which have peopled t
"••••som. . , they ,„.an totems .
dati aundar e would have some sympathies with them row
.the rank shoot up all these
ths that have made
.
rice
ea of re interests, and might attend to some of the prodigious things,
.which
have
and fright us from our
sous Purp„Ze:entativea.
been seen, but our fears
Holding their seats for no see- propriety. These things
acvoeurse, and instead of making
seheiittlente, tZeut generally to represent the will of their have made us tt,kee wrongaareut,
it has made us wage a futile,
Ineue_eeustituenY ught have some connection with the us fling away h
repr...'_l4 not coueYnt?f England. But if they represent. endless, fatal') war with her gigantic offspring.—
)anuWe have been going on like those before us
ParCaelit nothing but, tee, not towns, not boroughs ; if they (Chee.rs.
our unholy husbandry it is that has
and „raent, theyg °ut the individuals who send them to in doing wrong, and
her‘a° do n Can have no sympathy with the people, induced us to sow injustice, and thence to reap disaffee-
li , elare has n other work but that of their patrons. tion.—(Cheers.) My
Lords, I use no language of inti-
Ifn- tgeir de tallrea, 'my Lords,suchpatrons marshal- midation. We stand now on the brink of a great event.
some N
Wale
in p. . of
the decision
power . Wale Patrons athament for their. own purposes.. .
—(Hen-, hear.) We are now on the eve of
their for good,
others, like my Noble Friend, use their of this gre , at measure; and it behoves you to consider,
like Menaher`alsn others may use it for ill. They have when men tell you that
o__y—
youe should not heed clamour.,
eke regular
bud the word of command, disciplined that there isd no. 11 that there is no meaner.
cwabo'e kind of fear, than for men of a
De ~113' tO that
si,°Y of troops, always ready to secure the baser, more
esPlallows the weight of reflection and the
Duk °Natl., even ue
ofty were commanded to aid. They frame of mind that
Ore:;1. for th obtaining a victory than was the Noble power of reason to be afraid of being accused of fear. My
NehirgY, who", operation cannot be interrupted by any Lords, I am now speakingis2 in the same hall where your
8 ; and in that ball, though
derstl I,..)Uke h.n„,w_!ll not say might have prevented the Lordships sat in thelyeaar
r Sam(
manner as this, I hea d the •
tirruy 'us tekcs untaining a victory, but might have ren- not quite in so
dregu
eriti, Jl°3' 1.0 1 In're difficult B t th" • '
is Pailiamentary argument urge , for . the purpose of preventing your
argument
I._ tat ti r'•s, of t ' u Lordships from liberating the Catholics. 8 T.dhatthat
it
was
need Ine into welve or fourteen voters, thrown at a
th, „tile vi. „,,Ie scale, always turned the balance and did prevent that liberation. It was .
%°°o4erbaughteit if ---(Hea ' -sNoble proprietor of a troublous time—that there was much t ,
1 incur abroad—
:, Q-14g. ~ aeowed r.) The
" ayes e7,40d
tea some of his people to go a lark and furintimidationyou
fear of being thought to yield to ;
Atuok ea, I'lled tha, a Partridge shooting, when, perhaps, shut your ears to the voice of reason. The summer paseei
ith ner fruits and her abun-
tullattu-ie tu hav,tueY should be present ; but he always over. Autumn came on, w .
aequeueetluestion, 'mein back early enough to decide any dance ; but she brought not the precious gift of domestic
tere th °I. this? 'W Anil what, my Lords, was the con peace. The rage of popular feeling went on; and the
cligoose ell only tt hYa the members of that family, who election of a Catholic Member to sit in a Protestant House
:,r: and bete aranets, got possession of seats in this of Commons took place
thesea Winter bound the earth in its
repileileitr.) itr.l.4.e are amongst your Lordships.— chains, but it hound not of Irish agitation, for its
' Pehii the 40 works well, does it ! How ? Because, it surge Jlashed more !mous! than ever against the Consti-
y d its season, but unaccom-
np lo tie opini
nuse of Commons is sometimes influenced tu•ion. Then Spring opene .
t'44.ll'run• er-"CalwaYe influenced by public opinion in panied by its wonted harmony, for it had no ethereal mild-
tvent 4 the
Can"'at
Ireland much fiercer
may be true, but.itruns for a long ness, there being at that moment in .
natio Y Years to e the Slave T'.
1 itrunning for agitation than before, and ten thousand times more reason
lish °of he' o the ,___
ace
_rat! was .
didyour
h.. name, pe?pie
.75, of Parliament, to the In g-
di for fear than in the preceding July. And what
.e
1 7 Other Which' :_n_u to the great disgrace of the Eng- Lordships do,
when }the only change that bad taken place
eight months' was increase of tumult,
"gr. Teettntriee
et" u.nly. saved from eternal obloquy in those seven or
_eran_ fuer the I,:tlunk tl onttnuing the dothorri traffic still augmentation of clang , _ d great embarrassment of all
our Lordships do;
"urce - •=rue ~L'e Slave Trad • t • ears ontin ent circumstances? What did y t
40 , road weer, i e continu wen y
.yea c . g use, e 4 nio , nY eloquent Friend, Mr, Wilber- Wisely, patriotically, firmly, you saved your coon ry—
D'ould The " eloquent speech ins' it in the (Loud cheering)—you refused any .
longer to listen to the
the se °ever Peat cause sesi • h again -4
said :,arli,n -ave been tic he undertook to advocate senseless "Do not emanci-
cuckoo note of those who said ,
.. .
~
tbat 'uellt bee suffered to e
centinue so long had pate them,for if you do,
it will be through intimidation.
'lO th wars • n refor med rri am bound to say,
he eY wiii will jade
t . • ele Noble Earl has —. ( Cheers.) But, at the same im ,
eelliße ; . a with a Reformed Parliament, and that if youhad nolistened to these reasons year after year
ttviebreettt viola his
that vs long as the constituent is a for about twentdydprecteh
ag
i years, that measure Would
Ike ,),
.belli
i gereut ,rePresentative, if he be freely chosen, have been atten ewi tenfold more beneficial effect
11,0 ' ate under a'' modars will, I believe, unhappily than then, when, blessed be God !it did pass, through
Than Pei be of a Piefor
-4 th Ruch 1_ Parliament, but they will not, the instrumentality
bega e Ameiie ung duration• Not further back say,that however highlyhold .
I his military achievements.
„ 0 eear, an war , • to goit
re°Ple be,' ,"titldle, „.„ , wnich 'allow was natural, for still morehighly
do I think of his achievements in favour
tUrai "'shed.— 4`.• Was it • •
- ; for The , continued longer thanthe , of the Catholics.—(Hear.) And now,. my Lords, to
war . , tny Lord 4:Trench war also, I allow, was na- apply this branch of history—for history it has become--
I dyou are now placed- in
alartn' and in my h .8' ' ranch
was not • from that to the present time. My —Or 1, •
become—
sober' " th"ght that day, f__‘.ar.rse
the foolish
general this dilemma. If you refuse Reform now, under
el. and to hat wee' . 7)4 or sharing the
%Nit, a 'I °f in
really be afraid.—(Cheers.) You
y _able
.reason, • in .
comb ed with the de- which wise men will h
he
e-0
eff nd n, ,
,eAri.s. Friend at the be f t Govern- may have to live aortong t e arts of an alienated :gze
,ete, Y
c'" It!gilt Honour bl e I‘llo,utlem_
ll' .!1 n n
„ a 1 haa ge In iny 0„:_. a e Friend, have lonyou may have to live among tens of thousands hop hate
shallleagued
g ou—you may have to live when all men be
Pre- "°ald his a alluded tokulun' . If the Right. Hon.
y you ; for it is you alone that stand between them
~ Prat
rei,u, , great spirit bhad lived to see this day,
against
their wishes.—(Continued cheers.) But some one
it:ay:lain '
aufrtisiful.hieb he
inadvee:ejoiced at witnessing the. andhas
said,
that none but the Aristocradcytiaiarte oppoesehduttn ttlit,ee
soul f' we me„ 'iis_sPirit be pericr,itmateadnYtosavTs.iitikt.ehsisineavratlin, Bill—Good God, I
fdenymimt
al—a
s,ll and .theni2;neople ( people—(the
'e
My hay dellgjhteudP, et,' be now hovering over scenes lie ralible, the house o_
force
that)—arell for it ! Then the
'light 40'1' uninformed° coat ow
But in my early life, people—a pretty. d Perhaps
.n.Friende, I
tb
1 goo
The people for whom the Aristocracy
usi e it by the wisdom of my Noble and people are for it .
whom the Crown has been con-
ght nave bear'
;1. ought the French war justified, and has been constituted—for.o._
tv aye 1,„ gut I ani
.. .
) for whom the laws have beee
mi/d
save "en the just' positively certain, whatever stituted—(Loud cheering
)—for tenoin . ice of that war in its origin, that it enacted—for whom
the Government has been conti ;eel—
Parte if ''',ltli the arel in peace and ought to have t b whom the Government is. supported—whom it ishound
tain , the ~tri,
4- receipt of the 'I
letter written by ter- y _ cannot e-ist 4u instant,
without whom
It ...'
no one b t th
00t. as that I e,..'ainent bad been reformed.et Bona- to serve
) But then, says sonic one, t
mt u e
~e...'24ve been s-0114 here, my Lords, that that War would (C.l.teeresr.ae
is opposed to it. I beg deny
toGraciousl p p
- Grujidu;
Lorud'..;
.hut if i, °ng continued with a Reformed Parli sAi ttilostn° with
noose• It is ea. ' 1
are so enlisted ? .
id a,v.°u.d, that proved nothing. But may- who dares to say that the aristoctlakcyn
th
i 0 about this being
of emnalaa:.t public opinion finds its way into, the (Cheers.) Men have gone on
dtab
Way,e._ epirit f
the
rep 4thL ow ? It finds a t • talking
democrats—a
say contrary a measure only brought forward by
teyc „au—
dit 0° "'aY that leadstrt r and that no
sensation--it finds a dangerous thing unheard of among the aristocracy—and
leayezes.titution aside a" of it. Let me by
0 perils, and sets the authorities of man of property can bear the
1 Ministerse. have twice as
spur itself. 0i ; It has no legal way, and opens a the way remark, that the present,
four the occafionniun's e Ca-oinet that re-
temperately formed, not on the much property as woe possesiied bY
tine
t
opiiiiea, ought to be
hs out well-weighed and deliberately fiased Iteforin.—(l-lear, hear.) Ido
.tio . apply this to my-
forced 8 °llght to infi eard'
but at all events,
Ido not 'say'thaCteinperate self, for God knows thet I have nothin.gt,
l' of the Constitu-
eue
_war slit ~ ,
o_uence Parliament. Such an opinion what little I have depends on the stabi i
40`1.
,tatestnall". Walpole, that wise, peaceable, and enli ht• tion.—(Hear, hear.) My sovereign has
y been pleased to
wit 1".0 not nave
-t.t we had a Reformed Parliamentgtake from situation of very great wealth and.
e thie
perfectly
). lllt°
he we me a.
improper wa of • •x-
-does it we,
tament.
with any e
But still tli3e,ystoeputln:on
works,
its independent,Ai Lords,besis
Ibehmagveei)
the people ?unaccompaniedarged a situation of
office
Are they satisliv el) dr .sa*nd Howcon- Ppeonwee; for yone that has nothing but a troublesome

eel 0
tf perty in the funds, no accounts
'e
life, bil 1 ' iey, and nine-tenths of whit nc
i tubeLo .perry had not come into existence
....tv
_,Pti 4, re? Ti,e law intended to make al
sue r.i :'enable for his debts; and when
r.)
ere 0 : , make that property answerable,
if "theo__be ' e law to what it was originally in
eak f.,,., ,posed to change, but I asked you
eak ots ;-, might not ite in Itself, by remain
cioe if 1 ange from its intention. The sat
classes_we ,t
,i4lneisn_tarY Reform. When election
Atee2oe,
itiengta. were not ~,,,:ii:_ _
.ing to send rc
porch pro' , kings—when informations had to b
h the it Bench, as my Noble and Lea
. 011,4 nnPel them to send Members to r
e the 'Li, 'lungs are Dow
'sit t'ef the ptivi 80 changed, borou;
igli
uzio ' eges of sending Member
active,have 0 such 147tet: marea_e it, is it not inc
oioo.
to
_he
,tatio will adapt the seal
d a
tar to
that
.te±er.ed state of things? Isu
detes..toy, 'nand have been great changes i
led 7,bicb kan tat our are
correspond
strY ior h Y Noble Lord are captivated
Thatoar A rases, op po rtunely and not inju
norettfre ZY,th..e systena works well. Does
11
k_'"e the system work well ? Does
eve °tin:,
,tv"hTtl,ghisionf four thousand or five
'coo' '...1 , Ca
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