The Sun.
London, England, 1807-03-13 00:00:00

MUTINY BILL.

Mr.• HosficiuSE brought up the Report of the
Mutiny• Bill. The Resolutions were then severally
• put,-and, after a short conversation upon two of the
Clauses, agreed to. • •
• Lord CASTLEREAGHrose and said, that he offer.
ed himself to the House for -the purpose of proposing
an Amendment to the body.of the lint. Having
bad occasion, in the course of the last year,, to en—
ter into tn'aute details of the. Merits of the Right Hu..
riot rable Gentleman's . system, he should not now
trouble the House with any detailed statement; but
his opinions tyere unchanged. He Thought the sys-
tem so complicated that it might be at once pro-
nounced as inekplicable. He. shbidd thereforU'wish;
as his obje6tions.now were; meant to be general, that
the House-would dicharge from their'ininds
• nor of jeEtions—and merely. cOnsidef in -the abstra&
whe•ther it has furnished, or. aiforded groufrds to'be-
lieve that it will _furnish, supplies' adeq-tiate-to the
-great and urgent demands .of the country; tot his
part, he hid no hesitation-in.affirming, that the ,sys-

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tem is, and will prove, inadequate to answer the pub-
lic exigencies. Much as had been said, much as
the public had reason to expe&, it is. yet strange
that up .to this. Chorpen mt, fro the -omaiencernent of_
the AdMinlgtration; no doe effOrt had been

thttr4e to co-operate effe6tnaily with theallies, though
thelormer Government.had tent 20.,0-0.9 mn`upon
the Continent; he WaS -aware that this objection
;night received as not immechare:y operating on-
the Sill now, before the House t-iut- it-would be ne-
cessary fut Clentlemcn_ tcrrerrtrnber;,_ that

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excpse for a deficiency in eff:ealve,sticu at
gth home,
,is an adive. application of ow strength -abroad, - and
vithere does it appear- th it the military energies of
the Empire hare- been exerted Aroadd; Twenty
‘thotisand'ofthe flower of theßritih troops were icA:-
ed up in Sicily: this surely was not to be Mentioned
as an instance of effe6tive -co-eration: 'We;'e he
. _ op.

.
asked,' what had-b-dc:i 'clone, by • the *serif
Admi-
nistration- abroad,- to give vigour to the'etibrt's of Our,
allies in the cause of independence and of Euidpe, he
linew nothing he eould mention, 'except the.rnuilif.-.
cent 'sabsidy 0f.80,0601, to the King- of Prussio,-.---
To come, however, 'more immediately-, O'the
temof the Right Honourable Gentlemag, Lie conk

not help,asking; What had. been the.!efi-eas cat the so
much boasted Training A(.it which wa* to be'sribst.i
tilted in the place of the: volunteer establi:,,hiromt,?
The Right tIouol_MI,IC
have palsied. that 'gre t artn of the publid st.repg(ll,;
and yet Where Was this irtesktible Three t he.Traiii
Act was to substitute in its place, through ,whisk no
enemy (they Were vauntingly told) could Mali.c,hts

way. Of this so much boaSted Tn3ining Act,, the
'Only evidence they had that it was not -entirely
doped,. was the liik-rour of some, clerks iiiron
Papers. He did not wish to press the I.l.iihr Hon.
Ge.ntlecnan, .but bythis time, after. the expiration
of twelve rue4ths, the country rnight.very-rettsoba=
bly exptet oille.spccity.“,-..ns of the good effects of the

Training Act ; none, he feared, could possibly be
furnished. As to. the recruiting; the system was al-
together extraordinary ; the 2d Battalions were dis-
banded for the purpose of raising men ; such a mea-
sure could be a temporary one only ; besides, the'
officers belonging to -suehbattalions as were thus re- -:
dutecl would be actuated by as much interested mo-
tives in the
.recruiting service as on any other.sys-
tem whatever. According to the fOrmer system, the-,
nuMber of men einplOyed in this service, includinge.
ofEeers, amounted. t 0.172-0 ; whereas, , according. to.
the present. plan, no less, a number than,3736 are
now employed on the recruiting serv'ice. He con-
,' tended,--, therefore, that " this SyStdm-.;-'4as :not`
to .be 'judged- of. from
.the. levimraiseclz:Jaut,,with.
a • reference to the extraordinary means
equally affecting the discipline ' and Perth-anent
Strength of the Attny, 'as- well as the Revenues..of
the coniwy). resorted to .to• obtain, such levies. . He-
conterWed, that the. means at present resorted to
were stifficient fora leVy of 'twenty new battalions:
Bes des even ih-stidden etfeCt, it would fail upon
comparison.... In the, .first fuUr.or five years of the
War the progressive.adpneement was i:tuch greater
than the present system ever prOMises to be. In
1794, 38',600 :Alen. Were raised ; in t 79.5., 40,000
then ; in •1796, 41,00:0. Another fair coroparisoU
was, the ..effe& of his Right Hon,' Friend, who,
when Secretary =at W;.ir, raised by
.four regiinepts,
,quartered in Ireland, leSs than 4000• men in the
short space of -six --As-to limited service,
lifedenied that it was anyi itidiicement ; and ari- .$
vanced. it as his finll belW,..that Eve-sixths" of the
persons enlisting were wholly. indifferent whether
they, entered the service for life or for a limited pe-
riod. The Noble Lord then.. went to prove, that -tie
sy-stem, ivithrespeet to desertions, was equally falla-
cious. If desertiOns were, few, it was:only because.
the levies were scatty, for desertion prevailed most
.amopgmen lately enlisted. To judge of the number
of desertions, therefore, at any. one tihte; they should
be'Compared with the number of men enlisted with-
in the same time. .. According to this
_ratio, before
Op-Right:Hon. Gentleman came into office, for.the

year 1806, the desertions were as .one-sixteenth of
• the levies : in the five months prior to the opera-
tian of•the Right Hon. Gentleman's system, they.
,I,wre but a. one-twenty-third of the men raised 3
and for the seven months last of the Right
,i-f On.
Gentleman's system, they .I.vere aotiess than a‘otie-
twelth, . -Thee Noble Lord, after some further..obser7
vation's on the netessityof motufyilig in some degree;
the plan prOposedf concluded with moving the lob:
lowing Amendment . •

" Provided always, that if any subh recruit shall,
upon being' brought, betnre any such Justice or,
Chief Magistrate, declare himself willing to enter'
into service.. without any. -limitatior, ,such; recruit;
shall, on!
.r-eceving such, .additional as.,his
Majesty shall think tit, be sworn according to the
form .'prestiibed in the schedule hereunto sub
oinecL"' . , • . •
Mr. .IF/NDILIM., replied to the speech of the;
Noble Lord.. He Was
.glad. toF findthat the Noble
Lord,• not- nniformik„,. allowed that
plan had succeeded. .•The fait-'-a,vas„- that the rem
cruitiug had, increased, grid the desertions had di--
mini:shed:— The g6rieral force of .the: Country had
been augmented,- .and'as to-the home defence, nu-
• less rue enemy-were ft; rnee• iii ;reinter successes-
tha9:thosikilf at preierit apprised,
so!.ne time betore any treniencious danger
coud lie apprelienLled. - The Noble Lord lvi'd been
. .
perl:.Aly),ate in ois QbSCrylittiCV.os. -On • the.expedition,
under Colonel Crawfurd; becaoe he knew that it
was unfit at present to dh'ulge. the objeti of that ex-
pedition. ". But," says -Lord, " why
not harass the en-tray-in some other place ?"-'Would
--not this red:ice •the• home defence. of which the
Noble Lord was so-tenacious ?. As to activity, an
injudicibus and in'lpruclent aOivity was more danger-
ous than indolence; for in military subjeCts he could
pot agree.with the French proverb, which said, in:
the idiom of that language, " It is better to do no-
things than nothing." • The. Noble Lord cried out
foi•-expeditions: 'What sort of precedents of expc-•
• ditiOns had the Administration, of which the Noble
.Lord had formed a part, aflbrded ? Had not the
'Noble Lord, by sending:, out his expeditions, con-, II
trived to drown a great. many men in the English
Channel, arid to wreck .h great many others on the
enerny'S Coasts ? As to .the diminution in the'
energy of the Volunteers,. their zeal and activity
had been called forth by the danger of the Country;
should the Cenntry.again be in danger, he had no
doubt that that zeal and adivity- 'would again be:
displayed, but at present. there was no- motive for
their exertions. The Noble Lord complained,. that
his (Mr. Windham's) Bill had .not --done .wllat •it
had never professed to do,' namely, in seven 'months,
to cause an immense increase in the array. A mea-
sure intended tb produCe a regular, permanent, and,
increasing supply, was incapable of making a great
and' sudden accession,. He Combated the compari-
son v'Tiicli the ,Noble Lord had instituted•beiween
the present Military System and the Defence Is'lll
of the last Administration, and contended, in -con-,
tradition.-to the Noble Lord, that the superiorityl

was greatly on the side of the ibrmer. He shewed,
from acomparison of the returns, :hat. the produce.
Of the regular recruiting.under the former system
was to.the•present only in the propOrtion of 214
men a...week: to 509.. The desertions' under the

former system, hi the, last .six months, of the )?ear
1805, 4s one to .157 ; in .the last six. months'

of 1806, the- proportion was as one to •
The improvement in both . these great points Con-
tinued to inerease.ta the present hour, and in pro-
phrtion as, the new measures began to be; better
understood,' their operation would -bn more ex-
tensive:

Their. influence. was founded on the:

ii:xed slar.inpii4s. of • hurnan.:nature. ft waS not by:
;iffording the .present Means of_ debauchery that. he
sought to fin the army, but by liordiog out pro-
spective rewards,- to which it.•wai desirable that the

minds of, the People should be fixed ; and, ther,etbre,
the .Arnerldrnent of. the T.cmbie Lorrl was to be, de,
pico.:4(A, as going to undermine. and,nust:t tie the root
tifey: had alteidy.takeri.
Mr. RUSE. complained-of The enormity'of the-el•
pence' which would be occasioned by the ,Plan a the
Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Windham). " al,
aeration in the establishnient at Chelsea, he thought,
v.,a,( particularly open to censure, as; in the event of

a .peace being concluded, the expence of that esta-
blishment would amount to at least 700,0001.: or;
he believed, to near a million annually, whi6li was

snore than the expence of our Nviih-ole'army f4rmerly
on a peace establishment.

Colonel SHITI,EY and Colonel BARR? bore fgri-
moray of the good effects of the new tni:itary system --
from what had fallen within their own knowledge. ...
. 7Sir JAMES. PULTENEY contended, that a larger,
:I •bnnilty:,would operate more strongly on men's minds
than limitation, either r's to time or plaCe.
'Oe.fi'ezir:il. Sir. JOHN .D 0 Y.Ll'', declared, that with
I • the.-.-fielings-of-a 'soldier ill IriS breast, .he could not
1 hcAr to think of matter of cold- calculation, -however
,respectablethequarter might be from Which it, pro-
ceeded. • His own regiment had tWice'ex—ceeded its
-coin plernent-since thesystem of the Right •Hon. Gen-,
1- tteirurtnack.been.proninlga tell,. Adverting foam idea'
ofsoldiers who had geen enlisted for a limited . pe.`
IM being •lik-ely to wish for their discharge at 4
time when their: service lwas wanted, he cited two
L instances Iron; which a conclusion of a nature di.
' reedy opposite to that Was fairly to be drawn--4
i One,of a regiment of Highlanders,under Lord Corn.
1-i Wdllis, in the East Indies: 'and the other, of a num.
I: her of men enlisted for Emitted service, under Sir
nalPhl Abereromby ; in bOth these cases- the men,
with- the spirit and feeling natural, to fsoldiers when
they knew 'that their services were' ilrariting, peti-
tioned that the term of their contract might be ex-
tended, so as, to enable ' them: to answer the call of
honour,' and support their country's cause.
Mr. PERCIPAL observed; that what was uni-
formly contended by the Gentlemen on his side of
the House was; that if seldierS were once procured
for any term of service; it would be an eaSy:matter
to
,induce them to extend that service beyond the
limits prescribed by their original contract:- What
he now had to contend for was, that the present
measure ought-to be CoMpare(: wit!: what was gene.
eanbdsocettl!lettiolgo:etdtuliielladrre.)rr
tiiriere-
srtartulLilyiit'ii'nicgaclol etanc:p' comparison ni;iairitrli eslw:Oaußdl would adding
new systern•we lost 600 men a month On an average,
-that is if we looked at the former measures before
the rumour of'the Right Hon. Clntlernan's began to
impede its operation. Then, something had been
said oft he expeditions of the present Administration;
-therevas one, he admitted, on.which a gallant Col.
(Craufurd) was dispatched at. present ;
_but he, per-
haps as he, had pleased his Majesty's Ministers in
that -Rouse, might be more Suceessliil than he would
otherwise have been :. if he was :to take some stich
,Settlement as the Cape of. Good Hope, or have.a
Crown.of Laurels to lay at their feet, he would most
probably receive the thanks of his generous _Masters.
—Hear ! Hear 1 Hea?"!---B at if 'it -General shotild
not have happened to' (nye. his situation to his con-
duo in that Llonse, he, might, perhaps, instead ..of
• finding himself an object 'Of gratitUde and reward,
.feel that he. WaS Marked only by obloquy and cen-
sure.—(A cry of Hear ! Hear! . Hear Vi-arc bait sides
cf t4e.House)...
- taffri..'"itlNlMAltl, in' e7t planation, observed, that
..frorp.the doEuments, on the . table it would .appear.
that the. Maniber if recruits had considerably in-
creased, and, 'increased ..in gradual arid progressive
degted:.--sinde the protnutgatibn of the phiseht Plan,—
whilst, at the same tune, it was, equally evident,
• that the number Of desertions had rnaterjally :and re-
gularlydecretised. The Iron. and Learned. Gentle- .
'matt-opposite Mr.. Percival), howevn, had 'made a
pretty direa aliusion to a General no.w on foreign •
service, and hinted that he owed•his situation to his
services in that 1-louse.,, .
.14ere IV4C'V.:':-BottitNE rose, to,. order.; arki,:lhe.
SDZAREIL reminded the lion. Member, that he ra•!,
they exceeded the; bourtels of explanaticm.—Mr, W.
then sat down ; and -,: - • .

• Mr. FASN'Kq observed, that, to whatever quarter
the Honourable. Qeneral who had been alluded tc4
might, go—le, in common, he' was sere, with every
other Mertlber of that House, wished- most sincere-.

ly that he might accomplish the objett in pursuit of
which he has been .destined ; but after he bad
gained that obje&, instead of taking the Means of
:insuring it to the country, he was to set utf on
„another Expedition for which he had DO orders, he
did, not think that he would get, and he was sure
that he wotll4 not merit, the thanks of his Masters,

(Hear ! Rear !)
Mr. PERCIVAL assured the House that he had
been misunderstood : he alluded only to the first,
without the smallest intention of hinting at the sub-
sequent part of the Adiniral's Expedition.
The House then divided, and the numbers were—.
For the new Clause • - tit)
Against it - 178

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Majority $
The Bill was afterwards ordered to be read. a
third time. •

Whilst strangers were excluded, we understand
that the second reading of -the Roman Catholic W.
litziry Bill was put off till Tuesday. —Adjo.urngd at
Half-past One o'clock.

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S ,LILM QUIS DICF:ZE FALSWA AUDSAI.f.,

L W-D ON,

FRIDAY, MARCH 12, 1807.

. . . . .
LAST night we received French and Dutch Papers,
the former to the 7th, and the latter to the 10th in.
seems:stant i -and-also Hanikur47-h. Papers to, the 4tll. The
Nonitpr contains the sgth, Goth, and Gist Bul-
letins of the French Army.- The- firA of them is
dated at Eylau, the 14th of February,:. and Sees ti:-,
have been published merely ,for the purpose of con-
.
tradiOingthe rioi..irts vOich were in•circulaiion of the
daret of Ole French at the battle .of the Bth.
There

in. this, as there is' in all other .statements of
the French, when they have no successes to, boast
of, or rather when they have defeats to palliate, a
studied obscurity. It hoWever denies the loss of

nine,Eagles,.and'asserts that the Russians lost chore
than to,ooo men, in killed and wounded, in.. the
of tylau but' it

gives no .further-particUlars
of the loss Of the Fi-...-mch on that day, except that

:=.

General HAUTTOULT had died of his wounds. The
80th Bulletin is also dated at Eylau, and the 6lst at
'ntisberg on the 13t.h. The former relates princi
pally to some successes said to have been obtained

by the French in Silesia ; the latter announces
the retreat of the French Army in Poland for
the purpose of going into winter quarters. It is
curious to observe the inconsistencies into which the
writers of late French Bulletins have fallen, by en-
deavouring to convert d defeat into a viaory.- We
are told in the GI st Bulletin, that the gt eatest,alarm
prevailed at Konigsburgh- on the gth, in consequence-
of the vi6lory of the French on the sth ; but " it
was fortunate, however, for this town, that it did
not come within the plan of the French Generals to
drive the Russians from this position."

It is very singular that General BERTHIER should
have been so totally ignorant of the plan of BONA-
PARTE as to vvrite, on the 7th, to her Imperial Ma-
jesty, that the French would be in Konigsburgh the
next day, But these Bulletins acquaint us with
another very important faa, viz. that though the
Russians have been uniformly defeated—though
they have lost above 40;000 men, and almost all
their artillery, and have retreated in dismay behind
the Pregel, yet it is not thc intention of the French
General to pursue them any farther " that River
is a 'boundary beyond which the French Army has no
interest to pursue them." This is the first time that
the River Pregel has been announced as the
boundary of the French conquests. But a few
Xnouths are passed since we
,were told that the
French Eagles would be displayed at St. Petersburgh
is well as at Vienna and Berlin. This determina-
tion is now, it appears, given up : the Pregel
is dtelared to be the ne plus ultra of the French
arms, and having:_approached that important
Vershaving-attained .that great objetithe. purr..
.i3osts of the Catri.p alga are efft4ed, and the French
'Army have nothing more left to do.but to retreat
quietly into winter quarters. Such are the absurdi-
ties
Lv,
which mONAPARTE is. reduced id endea-.
ksours to delude the People...6f France, and. to conceal
rrom them the late events in Poland. I •

This Clay, at twelve &dock, The Hon. Mf. Pint-
EPOINT, and Mr. E.Lswotirki the Messongai, ar
lived at the Futeign Office, bitt they bring net intel-
ligence of a later date than that biought by Air. VICE,
WllO arrived on Sunday last.

Tins inorning a &iitenburgli Mail arrived, but
11 merely contains some further particulars of the
rattle of Eylau.

We this 'morning received the following Letter,
imhich we 21. re inclined to believe relates to the Battle
of Ey lau, as the French Bulletin of the isth takes
tao notice bf any action on the 17th.

f‘
.91115188 T, MARCH 11.-=-Arrived last night_ the
Charlei- Armed Ship, Capt. CLEi'HAI, from Heli-
goland', and brings the ibiloWing intelligenee, which
they received on Saturday night last, frorn a Mes-
senger charged with Mails for England : ,On
thelyth of FebrUary a very severe Engagement'
took place between the Russians, under the, com
reand of General Bl:NNics.', and the French, un-
der Marshals BERNADOTTE, War:, Mid' S9ULT, aty
in t ast Prussia; both Armies suffered,great
loss; and the Russians remained ultiMately masters:
vf the field.. The French acknoM6dge to ;have lost
sibOd rrien killed, and 6006 taken prisoners.
patches Were sent away from the Elbe by Viliniable.
FriPtd; froth Mr. THOR/ITO:3, British Minister, at:
}iolstein on the 4th inst." .

•
,
the Gentlemen who. propose to bid fot the Irish
Loan waited upon Sii* JOHN NEWPORT; the of the Irish Exchequer, at his Of ee,V hitehall.
yesterday, at 2 o'clock'. The Loan is 44..1,500,061:
Irish, and is-to be bid foi on Monday next. For each
1001, subscribed will be given such capital, :in " a.
stock bearing interest at the rate Of 3i per Cent." aS,
shall,be agreed upon, and the proposal of the person
offering to take the least quantity of such stock of.
3i per Cent. will,be accepted, provided. it be not
more than a sum to be mentioned hi -a paper pre-
viously sealed up. A Sinking Fund to be provided
for the redemption of %the'Debt, to the amount of
per cent, on the amount of Capital Stock created;
A discount of 5 per cent. to be allowed for prompt
payment, after the deposit of the 23d of Match. A
turn of mo,oool. is to be reserved for the Gover,.
nors and Direaors of the Bank of Ireland.
,
Yesterday Her MA a
JESTY held Drawing-roorri at
St. James's, which was attended by a very brilliant
circle.

The following were among thenumerous presenta.
t=ons to Her MAJESTY : •

1,14. A 'opens, AmPassador from the Emperor of Russia ;
',rs• z!nd Miss' Pegue, the Hon. Miss Phipps, Mr. and Mrs.G.'
1/4-...0 rd and Lady Seaforth, Mrs. M'Donnell, Capt. Agar,
?ckwood,Mr. Qocisal, Mr. Serj.Heywood, Miss Mundy,
r • WYone, Mrs. Whettam„the Rev. Mr. Smith, Gen.
's svenor, iss Townsend,. Gen: Hewett,
Lady
Ackland, Lord Blanc re, Gen.Pitzpatrick,
Lord Elphinstone, Sir W. and
.{.i_l),...l.4laeket. Lady M. llennett, the Hon. Mrs. Taylor,
Captaint:ni,,,ett, Lieutenant-General StallWbc, Mr.,Dawson,
s "'°ll6Y, Lieutenant-Governor Nttgent, Captaig
Mo tyn. Colonel and Mrs. Vansittart, Mrs. juddrell, Lieu-
tenant Lind, Lieutenant-Colonel ViscOrnte De Chabot, and
Sir Ed. Stanley, on his being appointed Chief justice of the.
Prince of Wid
es s Island in the East Indies.

FALMOUTH) MARCH 10. •-• Sailed the Dale: of
Kent Packet, cant. 1
Copt, 4,,AWEENC.E) with 'a,l\lail for
New-Yprk.
.. • ,
The }:pedition ;bound to Buenos Ayres passed
this Port this uaorning, i J