The Sun.
London, England, 1822-02-08 00:00:00

CAPTAIN ROCK'S CATECHISM.

Q. What do you think it is o'clock ?—lt is one, two, three,
four, and so on, according to the number present.

Q. How do you write your name in figures ?-9 12 ; that is,
I A $; I being the ninth, Al the first, and B the second letters
in the alphabet; or otherwise, I am a brother.
Q. Good morrow, gay fellow P—Good.mOrrow kindly, square
fellow.

Q. What do you thinkof the times.?—l think theyll mend.
Q. How`will they mend ?7-By keeping the union in the
country.

Q. How is that to be kept,?—By supporting the three L.'s.
Q. What do you mean by the three L.'o—Lore, loyalty,
and liberty.

Q. What is the distance between the sun and moon ?—A
square foot—an Irisinnan's heart in full bloom.
Q. Where do you stand stand straight, in a crooked
line on a four road cross.

The grip then follows—which is, join right hands, and press
with the thumb the middle joint of the fore finger, the same of
the middle finger, and the same of the third . finger, *and like
backwards, pausing on the first. •

Q. Good morrow, good man?—Good morrow kindly, brother.
Q. I think you have sore eyes ?—No.
Q. Why so ?-13ccauSe they are purified. _
Q. How long are.they purified?—Since Christianity was read
in my countenance. •
Q. Who made you ?—God and -my brothers ?—(Diailin
Morning Post.)

[Tut TIMES.]
Some explanations took plate last night, of
passages in certain speeches upon the Address.—
The chief of these is important enough : Mr.
Vansittart had been understood to say, that,
whatever retrenchments took place, there would
be no diminution of taxation. This woful de-
claration was attributed last night by Mr. Lush-
ington to misapprehension. It was only meant
to be said that no such diminution of taxation
would take pi:u•e as would bring the public cre-
ditor into jeopardy : this should seem to be rea-
sonable enough. Our conduct should be that of
every honest and honourable man who has in.
prudently embarrassed his circumstances—he
should reduce his current expences to the lowett
possible scale, and faithfully pay his debts. lie
may have this importunate valet, that rapacious
mistress, who would still hang upon him : he
may have horses and hounds (as we, have soldiers
—cavalry and infantry)—in which he takes de-
light ; but he must recollect that it was his lore
of these last brought him to the brink of ruin—
he must most remorselessly cashier or reduce
them all. If, after every possible retrenchment,
he still finds himself unable to satisfy his credi-'
tors, then of course, as a matter of necessity, he
must talk of composition. But even to think of
compounding whilst one expence remains uncur-
tailed, is absolute fraud. To withdraw one six-
pence, ay,.one farthing, from the just demands of
the public creditor, while the Civil List conti-
nues at its present exorbitant pitch—raised, also,
as it has beeu, by nearly one-third, through the
increased value of money during the last three
years—would be an act of dishonesty, more
scandalous than ever disgraced the old Court of
France, in the zenith of its despotism and pro-
fligacy.

[NEW TIMES.]
Every person of real humanity must rejoice at
the decisive measures which Parliament is taking
to put down the horrible outrages in Ireland.—
Not a day, not an hour, is to be lost in arming
the authorities of that country with power effec-
tually to protect, the lives of the peaceable and
well disposed. For the sake even of the poor de-
luded people who perpetrate these atrocities, it
is indispensably necessary to arrest them in the
career of crime. The least offensive light in which
we can conternplate them is as men blinded by
gross ignorance, and led astray by the solicitation
of wretches to whom bloodshed and robbery are,
a trade, and subjection to lawful authority a
punishment. We confess we are astonished
that any objection should be made to the imme-
diate enactment of the Insurrection Act. Surely
it cannot be laid to the charge of Government,
that they have been too forward in adopting rigo-
rous measures. Perhaps they might with more
justice be accused of having sacrificed to feelings
of humanity, in delaying the enactment of harsh
laws till the excesses of' the Insurgents had be-
come truly formidable.

No man can cast his eye over a common news-
paper without being convinced that the evil is

[BRITISH PRESS.]
The Marquis of Londonderry submitted his
promised motion last night to the House of Com-
mons respecting the state of Ireland. The nature
of the motion, and of the speech with whiriCthe
Noble 'Marquis introduced it,- disappointed us
not a little, for we really had expected something
like an exposition of the supposed secret motives
of the insurgents, and a Statesman's view of the
most effectual means of not only correcting the
present evils, but of preventing their future occur-
rence. The Marquis of Londonderry, however,
confined himself solely to a consideration of
the formidable aspect of the insurrection as it
now rages, and of the measures best adapted for
its immediate suppression. WWI this view, he
moved for leave to bring in a Bill to enable the
Government of Ireland to commit to safe custody
all persons who may be suspected of harbouring
designs dangerous to the tranquillity of the State,
or as it. is more familiarly expressed, to suspend
the Habeas Corpus Act in Ireland. This mea-
sure is to continue in force for only six months,
but a power is reserved to the Gut ernment
to propose a further extension of it previ-
ous to the close of the present Session of
Parliament, should the state of Ireland seem
to render it necessary. The Insurrection Act
is at the same time to be renewed. This
measure reposes in the discretion of-the Magis-
trates of Ireland the arbitrary power of sentenc-
ing to transportation, upon summary conviction,
all persons who maybe found from their houses
at any time from sun-set to sun-rise, without being
able satisfactorily to account for the occasion of
it. The Noble Marquis intimated that the ne-
cessity of measures thus energetic had been sug-
gested to his Majesty's Ministers by the Mar-
quis Wellesley, and the weight which deservedly
belongs to the authority of this name,. no doubt
exercised a very considerable influence upon the
sentiments of the House of Commons.

[MORNING CHRONICLE.]

The system of Government. pursued in Ireland
leads necessarily to insubordination and -instfrrec-
tion, and Vv-hen, from the extremity Of suffering,
the insurrection assumes an appearatiCe more than
ordinarily formidable, it is met by additional mi-
litary-force and measures of hicreaSed,severity.
The South of Ireland has now been for some time
in that state "which calls for the-application of 'the
grand Ministerial remedy.; and accordingly it
was proposed last night in the Commons by Lord
Londonderry, with the protestations. of intended
mercy and kindness -usual on such an occasion.
Ministers, no doubt, know that Ireland • is a
fertile island, separated by a. narrow sea from.
Britain, that it contains a large and wretched .po-'
palation. They know also (if we may be be-
lieve Lord Liverpool) that its situation is un-
like that of any other country in Europe; it•had
been so for centuries, and continued to be so
still." But with this knowledge, and that of. the
extent of influence and' patronage derived by-
them' from it, they have always been perfectly
satisfied. It never seems to •• have occurred to
them, that that peculiarity in the state of Ireland
must have a cause or causes,and that it is the fluty
of a Government •to inquire into the causes of the
evils which afflict-the country placed under it,with a
view to a remedy. They have•very different ideas of
duty. Because the evilsof Ireland areof long conti-
nuance, they think this a good reason for coati-.
cuing them. Still longer; because they...'existed

Bth, The leaf buds of the Elder (Sambucus nigra) have
burst, and its red-tinted leaflets are expanding. The flower
buds of the laurel are unusually forward. Numbers of that
" wee modest flower," the common daisy (bellis perennis),
are in full flower. The remaining flowers of the clizysanthe-
mum, and the leaves of the American laburnum (cytisus la-
burnum) this day were no longer to be found; the keen wines •
and frost of the, previous night deprived them of the residue of
their virility.
9th, The blackberry still continues in full leaf; this with
the holly (ilex aquefohum), and its season-proclaiming berries ;
the common broom (spartium scoparium), and the furze, with
its hardy and cheerfalooking blossom, are now the only orna-
ments of our hedges.
12th, The. polyanthus is in full flower ; the other fragments..
of the tribes of Flora remain the same as reported last month,
with the exception of the chrysanthemum, who a few days.'
back " her sunny robe resigned:"
16th, The berries of the Ivy (hedera helix) are rapidly
swelling; this sombre evergreen, it is well known, and the-
nettle, flourish best. near old buildings, and perhaps for the
same reason, namely; requiring a soil containing nitrate of pot-
ass (saltpetre). In few places does ivy grow in such monarch vast.
'less as upon the ruins of Kenilworth Castle, which the Scottlsh
novellist has so well described -during the meridian of its glory ;
but it is now no longer a habitation for Leicester or Elizabeth,
" No high-toned clarion sounds alarms,
No banner wakes the pride of arms ;
But ivy, creeping year by year, .
•
Of growth enormous triumphs here
. . Each dark festoon with pride upheaves •
• Its glossy wilderness of leaves,
On sturdy limbs, that, clasping, bow
Broad o'er the turret's utmost brow,
Encompassing, by strength alone,
- In frett-work bars, the sliding stone
That tells how years and storms prevail,
• • And spreads its dust. upon the gale."

19th, The whole plant of the Chrysanthemum is now dead ;
notwithstanding the mildness of the season, the depredations of
the gardeu-mouse are by no. means so extensive as might be
expected ; the best defence for the bean and pea crops, which
chiefly suffer . from their attacks, is to sprinkle the surface of
the soil immediately over the rows with coal-ashes.-24th. The
sweet scented horehound continues in undiminished fragrance.
The winter aconite (helleborus hiemilis) the winter anemone,
and the American primrose, are partially in full flower.-26th.
The snowdrop (galanthus nivalia), that morn star of flowers is.
now coming generally into flower, and seems

" As Flora's breath, by some transforming power
Had changed an icicle into a flower :
Its name and hue the scentless plant retains,
And winter lingers in its icy veins."

The male catkin of the filbert, with its crimson coronet, is
generally .pparent.—l was this day shewn a gum cistus with
several flower buds, within a few days of expansion, growing
in an open exposure. The heads of the common artiefioke are
rapidly advancing.
Things past, we readily confess, are too apt to fade frdm the
records o. our memory ; and thus are we rendered incapable of
a strictly-just comparison between things that have been, and
thingi that are. This, however, being admitted, I believe, With
little fear of contradiction, it may be advanced, that a January
equal to that nowboncluded, in mildness and joyous aspect, few
can remember to have been equalled, and none to have been
surpassed. We may conclude, that it was a morning as un-
seasonable as that of the 27th that prompted the Muse of the
bard of Avon -to exclaim,
" The seasons change their manners, as if the year
had found some months asleep, and leap'd them over."
It is to be hoPed, that the unfolding vegetation of next month
will not suffe: by an equally unseasonable reduction of terepe-
rature.—We cannot, however, but have our fears.
G. W. JOHNSON.

PARLIAMENT,

HOUSE OF LORDS, TuuusvAT, Errs. 7.
The Duke of BVCIUNGIIAM was introduced.

and took the oaths and his seat. llis,Grane's
supporters were the Dukes of Wellington and
.....geaufort.—The Earl of Ca.wnott also took"-the
oaths and his seat, on succeeding to hit.title.
STATE OF IRELAND.
The:, Earl, or., gave notice that he
should move to-morrow that the Standing Orders
of the . Hope, Nos.. 9.6iand 10, be -stiapeAded.
MarileP/sof L.6lsoowNt: supposed that
Noble Earl'anotice %vas:given With .t4e view
Of passing:a,6lllto increase the
.poWers
_of Go,-.
'nv.eritinerst in.lreland. .He should, therefore:, take
thfs'opportunity of expressing his Opinio of the
papers which the Noble Earl had laid on the
table-sus a foundation for the, measure .Which he
; ratended.to propOse. He had understood that
the necessity for such a measure was grounded on
an, urgent
.representation from the Government
lieland;of the inefficiency of the existing
1n17.-; but having- looked attentively at -the
contents of those papers; he could' finel -in them
no vestige of an opinion' delivered by' the
A'larquess himself, or by any of
4.lo74luals,connected with the Irish, Govertie-
ment, that such
.an extension of power wai-re-
quired. I 1 ,such. a. representation 'had tieen
made, before,their Lordships were called 'ttpon
to giant increased powers, they ought to be put
'tiny possession of the- fact, rind- to know - that if
' 'they passed. the measure, they passed it on the
authority .of -the Government of Ireland. lie
should, therefore, ask the Noble Lord to prof:
.ducenif not the whole, at least such parts.of the
-dispatches received from the Marquis Wel4,sley,.
-as had led him .to .be satisfied that a necessity
-existed for extending the powers of :the Irish
- Administrationn and to consider hirnsolfbo-bild
.to.nmake the proposal to the• House„ lie was the
,disposed :to nsk_.this. question cense-,
onence of having read. the Papers on the tt.'l_;32.;
for if they
.shewed a necessity for any .inc: ease,
it was for an increase of military power. All
the representations made in various 'quarters-
..dwelt upon. the want of a military force ;
except in one solitary instance, •the Inswrrection
Act was not even mentioned. .:It might 1:-e
---the
.wish of the people.rin the South of Ireland, and
the opinion of the-Lord Lieutenant himself, that
the-InSurrection Act should be put in force ; h. •
• neither that wish nor that opinion were expreSsee!
in the Papers before the House: If they had
been communicated to his Majesty's .Govern-
.
• mentiaother documents,evidence.of therm should
by produced, and _their, Lordships ought to he
possessed of ample Perliametstail information
when they were called upon to do -so violent an
act as to suspend their.own.Standing 4,ardersnfer
the.purpose of granting additional powers to the
A.doinistration of Ireland.
~The Earl .off4vEapoor, admitted that the
opinion of the Irish Government with respect to
its, being invested .With conditional powers 'did
net appear in the Papers-before the Reuse.—
-4-inthe conceived that the absence of a recordetU
opinion was not a- sufficient ground, for with-
holding those powers. • -It was mot an ordinary
- practice to lay such opinions before the House,
and on a former occasion Parliament !had passed
a similar Bill in 48 hours, without being Put in
possession of .an y specific recommendation., In the
Present instance the 'measure woeld be passed-on
the authority of the Government here„:though he
- felt-no hesitation in sayinn. that it came strongly
recommended by the.Goyernmept of Ireland,—
'llls recommendation could not be laid before
Parliament, • and he would ask the. Noble Mar,
quis himself whether it was usual for a Minister
ot,the Crown to ground a motion on the recom-
. mendation of any servant of the. Government,
whoever and whatever he might be ? In his
,6p,inion, the public safety required the granting
01. additional powers ; but there- was no desire
to take those powers for a greater length of time
than the present , Session ; so that , Parliament
would retain the faculty ot: discussieg the ques-
tion fully alter they had been tried, and before
consenting to the renewal of a measure, which, at
present at least, he considered to be indispens-
ably necessary. . ,
Lord Ennexecinountt observed;that although
the Papers itefOre the House.spoke of disturb-
ances in ,the South of. frelend,• not a word was
said as to their causes.. Their.-Lordships were
therefore so far unacquainted with the• subject,
that it was'imposgible.for,thent to ;know whether
the measares proposed by-his,Majes.ty's Govern-
, ment ought not to. be connected ,with_measures
of alteration and nonciliationn tending-to remedy
evils, as well as to prevent outrage.. All that
• was apparent from those Papers was a want o'

military force ;. and he could- not but- think it
rather.extraprdinary, that when the disturbances.
showed themselves, the yeomanry were called:
out in the North.of Ireland, where all was tran-
quil, and not in the :youth, which was the seat of ,
disorder.
Lordlicii.i.A ND contended-that if it not
. been the useal ,course to ground a. motion. for.
granting additional. powers to the. Government
upon
.a recorded •opinion, yet; except in the casel
, • of.. unfortunate Irelan'd, it , had . been generally
done on papers whichrif they did, not express a,
' distinct opinion,. made the inference clear and
manifest. In,the pipers on the table he cer-
tainlY saw reasons for an extraordinary measure,
that of augmenting .the military force in Ireland,
but none for increasing the powers 'of the Go-
vernment. He found it. stated no where-tbat it
was in consequence of the inadequacy of. the laws
that the present outrages were . committed, and.
ks,,consent would be more, easily wrung from
bim .to a military law than they measure first
proposed. If any 'thing could ~induce .him to
supQorti.sucha measure, it would be the autho-
rity of the Irish Government, With an explana-
tion of thO grounds on w hi ch. th e recommendation
was founded. The Noble Earl was, therefore,
iroing an injustice to his own measure by the
course which he had adopted, and ought,' in fair-
„ness to himself, to submit to the House all the
documents on whic4 his .own Conviction was.
gri3unded, before, be undertook tbe..unpleasant-
taik of proposing such a measure, after the union.

between the two cc:int:it's alregilyltsteil'22
years.

Lord KING. ciia Lot untitlstL444.,syhy, the ppi-

Ilion of the individuals . ‘!.ho composed • th.t 'Go-
vernment of Ireland;,,shouldsnot be giveil. .The
Noble Earl saidAthat -the measore would pais on
the responsibility' of Minister s, but, 'in conse=
(pence of the mode which he adopted, 'it. Would
be impossible to fix the -responsibility any where.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that his notice
was only contingent .on the receipt of a Bill
which was expected from the other House. lf
it :shoOld- not be: -brought 'down to-morrow, he
should rescind the triotice, and renew it for the
•

. Lord ELLENBOII-OU6I thought it a most extra-
ordinary proceeding, that the Standing Orders of
the tiouse- should be suspended fora Bill, of the
nature of which they knew nothing at all.—
Adjourned.

1101,1 St
,OF COMMONS.
I%e -SrE.3/4Kga took the chair at ten minutes
.o four o'clock.

Mr. WILLIAM DUNDAS presinted a Petition from the
Magistrates of Edinburgh, complaining of the lax state of the
police of that city. _ '
Mr. ABERCROMBY presented a similar Petition from the
General Commissioners of the Police of Edinburgh.—Both
referred to a Committee.
LONDON BRIDGE. _ _

Sir W. CURTIS gave notice, that on Thursday next he
would move for a Committee to inquire into the state of Lon-
don Bridge.
Several new Members took the oaths.
ILCH ESTER GAOL. _ _

Mr. Alderman WOOD moved, that an Address he pre,
rented to the King, praying that the evidence taken before
the Commissioners, together with their Report upon the state
of Ilchester Gaol, be laid before the Honse.
Mr. Alderman WOOD made a siinilar motion for the pro-
duction of the Report of the Magistrates of Somerset on the
same subject.--Ordered.
VACCINE BOARD. _ _

Mr. DAWSON mired for an Address to his Majesty. pray-
ing him to order the' last Report of the Vaccine Board to be
laid before the house.—Ordered.
CIVIL LIST.
Mr. LENNARD gave notice, that he would, on the e2/1
insf:'-move au Addres to the. King; praying him to recom-
mend to this House a revision 'of and reduction in the seve-
ral branches of the Civil List.—(Hear).
STANDING ORDERS.

Upon the motion of Mr. BaonvEN, jhe several Sessional
Orderi for the regulation of the business of the House were
agreed to.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
Upon the question, " That after the 22d of February, this
House will not receive anfpriyate petition," .
, Mr. HUME observed, that it appeared to him the time limit-
ed by this order for receiving petitions was unusuallyand incon-
veniently short.• This order was made at a time that Portia-
anent was used to meet in November or December, and was
not adapted to the present time, when Parliament assembled
at a much liter 'season.
The SPEAKER explained that the time was not unusually.
limited. The practice had always been to limit the time for.
receiving private petitions to fourteen days after the meeting
of Parliament: In this case, a particular date bad been fixed,
only in order to remove all ambiguity, that the -public might be
satisfied with regard to the last day for presenting petitions,
This was a standing order of the House, which the House
was certainly at liberty to rescind when it thought proper,
but whilst it was unrepealed, he (Mr. SFeaker) had thought it
his duty to regulate himself by it.---(tlear I) .
Mr. LOCKHART said, it was of importance that the time
for receiving private petitions should not be too limited, fur
this reason, that as'all inclosures would be regulated in a great
measure by the fate of the agricultural question in. this
House, it was unreasonable to bind them to a given time for
bringing their petitions here, until they had first ascertained
whether they received any encouragement to improvement by
the steps which this HoUse would eventually take.
The SPEAKER said he had no hesitation in saying- that
this order was rather a relief to the petitioners than other-
wise. It saved expence to the parties to fix a day, but though
the standing order forbade time receiving of private petitions
after a certain day, yet every Hon. Member knew that when
a representation was•made. of ,unavoidable delay having oc-.
curred, the House was. constantly.in the habit of receiving
them after the time limited by this order. The order was
then agreed to. • . •
It was also ordered that no private Bill was to be read a
first time after the 18th of March next.
AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS.—NORFOLK PETITION.
Mr. COKE presented a Petition from a County svhereAgri-
culture had once flourished—the County of Norfolk. He was
.
sorry to say, that that County never, in respect to AgriCul,
Lure, presented a more heartbreaking sight, and to none
more so than to him, who had spent the greater part of his
life in that County, endeavouring to improve its Agriculture.
The Requisitibu sent to the Sheriff to call this Meeting had
been most numerously signed 'by the Yeomanry of the Coun-
ty, than whom a more respectable body did not exist;. and it
was remarkable, that of those who favoured it,• three out of
five had formerly been-the supporters of Government. They
had seen t loci r error, and thus coming forward had,set a noble
example to other Counties, which he hoped would be univer-
sally followed. Ifboth sides were not unanimous in pressing
on the Government those measures which bed now become
necessary', the. evil Complainettof could not he removed.—The
Petition prayed for Economy and Retrenchment, and for a
Reduction.of the Duties on Salt, Malt, and other commodi-
ties, by which, and'various savings, they had been led to hope
that an annual redaction of the public expendituremieht he
-made-to the amount of 5,000,0001. This had been their hope,
but how surprised must the Petitioners have been, in common
with the whole country; to hesti,the speech of the Chancellor
of. the Exchequer on a former night,• in which he declared it
to be his opinion that no diminution of taxation could take
place. This was the statement that the Minister had thought
it right to make in his place, This was the language held at
a time like this, by a callous and bard-hearted Government.
He had not felt himself justified in holding out to the Peti.
'tioners any hope of relief from that House. Itwas motto he
expected from a beefy like that-a body that was as corrupt as
it was protiixate.—(Loud cries of " Order.") • .
The SPEAKER remarked, the Hon. Gentleman was out of
order.
Mr. COKE said, be would not transgress the rules
:of the
House. lie would not, since it was thought disorderly in him
to do so, say the House was profligate and corrupt; but it
wasavell known to be so.—(Loud cries of "Order, Order,"
" Chair, Chair.")
The SPEAKER regretted the ditty now forced upon him.
Knowing as he did bow sensibly the Hon. Gentleman was
accustomed to .speak:on.sume subjects, would be the 'last
:man to interrupt him.uminecessarily ; but it now was forced
upon him by an imperative sense of duty to state; that the
course which the Hon. Gentleman had taken was disorderly.
He bad hoped.he bad made himself understood before ;. he
was sure be had done so now, and trusted on reflection the
Hoe. Member himself would feel that he could..not beallowed
inpr:iiceed in that course WhiCh '6. hid
Mr. COKE resumed. He did not wish to offend, but lie
could not help 'Speaking Warmly, as Ise•felt warmly on this
subject. and felt that from a Houseconstitined as that was,
it was in vain to hope for relief. He would not note avail
hiiu,elf of the language of the petition, which was stronger
than any that he could use. The petition prayed for economy,
retrenchment, and 'a reduction of taxation. It set forth that
Hine has proved in the last Session of:Parliament, front
officialbranch
ot documents,the
puhtlic hat great
both foreign
might a bn ed mande domestic,i
everybut
the House, having negative'd every proposition founded on
those documents, and continued their support to Ministers, it
'was the decided opinion of the petitioners that they could ex-
pect no relief from a House.so corrupt and defective as that
was proved to be without a reform, the want of which Was the
true cause of all the es ifs which oppressed the country. If
any thing were wanting to prove the corteetnesa oftbeae ideas,
it would be found in the statement which had fallen from the
Hon. Member fur Kent on a:former evening. That Hon.
Gentleman had not sei'upled to tell them that no relief could
be expected but from such measures as Ministers might think
,fitto propose. Hera was a statement to offer to the House
of Commons. He however (night not to wonder at such lan-
guage coming from one who held a situation and received such
emoluments as he had enjoyed undcr.tbe present Government.
He then brought up the Petition.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL, after tbe reproaches which had been
bestowed on conduct which had not, been proved to be his,
.and after the, personal allusions made to him; would ask any
Member of that House, whether he should not be guilty or
a dereliction of his duty if he abstained from trespassing on
their time for a few moments. Heavished, in the first place,
to explain what be had saidi and what be thought had been
c .nsiderably raiarepresented, and to deny what be bad been
charged with by the Han. Gent leman,.from causes or motives
whisk weptbest known to that Hon. Groittleatau hiuuelf. Tu

the chnrges respecting his • pnbLic • situation he wci•ala girc.a
conctnivc answ, r. HALt he merited' thOyetiectiOn thrown on

- •
'him, the county he bail the nonour to represent woul4 siA.er
have returned him to Parliament., He Loped the Huhse
would pardon bins if he spoke with some Warmth on this sub-
ject. If he bad said any thing that could warrant the infe-,
relive tt hich had been drawls floes what had fallen from him
-on a former night, be should be unworthy to hold the slum-
tion he tilled. He list not said, that 'no beneficial measure
could be prOposed but on one,side of the House. What he
had said with regard to a particular question was this, that it
might be for the best interests of the country„that the mea-
sures to be propounded by Government should he first
brought before the -House, and that•if these should not be
found to supply the desired remedy, then would be the time
for the Gentlemen opposite to offer any-. other proposition
which they might think it would be for the good of the coun-
try to adopt. If'his assenr to some of the general principles
laid down: by the jHun. Member for Aberdeen •had called
forth some observations front the Noble Marquis, it might
have been regarded as that which was in-some degree to be
expected, but that on that account he should be attacked by
the Hon. Gentleman opposite, afforded him no small surprise.
What he had said was, and lie wished not to be misunder-
stood, not that that House, and any individual in it, bad no
right 'to bring foilvard any measure that Members might
think would benefit the country, but he bad said, as he would
say now, that it would be but right in fairness, in policy, and
' in justice, to let. Ministers open to the House what it was
they proposed to do, aid he had thought it would, be unwise
and injurious to anticipate them by any ill-judged or prema-
ture motion on the sohject to which his reams-Its were intended
to apply. He agreed with the Hon. Member who had presented
the Petition, as to the extent of the distress felt in the agricultu-
.ral districts, and would gladly support any measure that pro-
mised to-supply efficient relief. But IL.eling, as he did, -and
not being possessed of the experience of the Hon. Gentleman,
he would say, that to him it appeared unwise to mix up other
questions with what concerned this most important subject,
and taking such a course could only injure the cause they
wished to serve. He would readily. pardon what had-been
said of him, in consideration of the feelings which animated
the Hon. Gentlernms on this question. If he would consent
to wait for a short time, till Ministers had brought forward
the measures which they had to Ipropose, the. Hon. Gentle,
man would find hisn prepared to do his duty by those who
had done hint the honour to send him as their representative.

.Mr. BROUGHAM said, as the Hon. Member alluded to
certain comments which he; in 'the discharge of his duty,
had -oxide on wtmt had fallen from him (Sir E. Knatchbull)
in the discharge of his, he must claith to be allowed to go
back to that debate. He need • hardly' remind the - House
that he had as good a right to make the remarks which be
had made, as the Hon. Member had to offer those on which
they, were founded.' He (Mr. Brougham) bad as good a right
to comment on the public conduct of the Han. Baronet as the
-Hon. Baronet had to pursue that line of conduct which had
become. the subject of his comments. If he bad misrepre-
sented or misunderstood him, then the Hon. Baronet would
have had a claim to correct him, and set him right. But he
bad listened to the former explanation which he had given,
and to his new explanation (which was perfectly vonsistent
with its predecessor), and having done so,- he must confess
that he was unable to discover any the slightest incorrectness
in what he had described him to have said at -first, and he
would venture to add, that there was no man why had heard
the Hon. Baronet, and who had heard him Brougham)
who would not say that he had rightly understood and accu-
rately represented what the Hon. Baronet had stated on a
former occasion. . •

Mr. WODEHOUSE supported the prayer of 'the Petition.
It laid great stress on the redactions which ought to be made
in every part of the public expenditure. This he conceived
was .very properly done. He stood 'in a very delicate situa-
tion, having.voted against the proposed reduction. of the
litary last year. He would, however, wish to see reductions
in the civil departments, and that immediately. As Ministers
had announced it to be their intention to make considerable
reductions, he thought some communication ought to' be
made on this subject to the House, 'To repeal the Malt Duty
might be a relief to counties where-a great deal of barley may
be grown, hut it would not materially benefit others. Har-
ing briefly touched on the description of relief wanted, he
noticed the • concluding prayer of the Petition for a Reform.
He did not sufficiently well understand what Reform was
wanted to approve. of this part .of the Petition, and could
wish other subjects kept distinct from that which'su imperi-
ously demanded. immediate relief.
Mr. LOCKHART hoped to see both Whigs and Tories
unite to relieve the landed interest. There was, no subject
on which both were so likely to join for the. commou good.
Economy and retrenchment, he was of opiuion, ought to be,
resorted to, and carried so fat' as, to restore the equilibrium.
which had been lost by the decline in the price of agricultu-
ral produce. It- Was said that the agrictitt oral interest and
public vredit most butts stand or fall together. He did not
see why either should fall, and desired to see them both-
stand. He, however, showed, that while large sums bad
been paid to the stockholder by the owners and occupiers of
land, that large burdens had fallen on the latter, from which
the former were exempt. This he considered to he gross in-
justice, Which ought no longer to exist. But when, in addi-
tion to the other difficulties with which they had had to
con-
tend, the_ landed interest had to sustain those necessarily
thrown upon them from a diminution of the currency,
then indeed their distress became great, and they were
in the situation of the unfortunate Israelites, when the
Egyptian task-masters required them to make bricks without
straw, or like the same people at a subsequent period of their
history, they might 'complain that the little finger of their
present rulers bad become thicker than the loins of their for-
mer Government bad been. He did not impute to Ministers
that callous heartedness which the Hon. Gentleman had as-
cribed to them. Hebelieved them anxious to remedy the evil,

but he feared their jndgment was not sound. They thought
-by relieving the country they would relieve agriculture ; he
was convinced that by aiding agriculture they would rel, Ye
the country. If public Credit were to he supported, it should
be by relieving the landed interest, for not doing this they
would destroy the fund from which the means of paying the
public creditor should flow. But because there was some im-
provement in the revenue, Ministers supposed all to be going
on well. In the end, they would- find themselves deceived,
and the evil, concealed for a time, would develope itself on a
sudden in a wide spreading calamity and •ruin. He could state
that in the West of England and in the Midland Counties,
scarcely any rent could at present be collected. When the
wages of labour were so reduced that a labouring man was
obliged to maintain a wife and two children on 7 shillings
per weeli—,-when in some instances, but, 4 and in sonic hut. 4
shillings per week could be obtained.for labour. where 14
or fifteen had forMerly been paid—such a state of things must
produce.effects that would endanger. public credit. There had
. been an intention on the part of Government to relieve the
agricultural distress, by a loan of 5,000,0001. This measure
could not diminish the evil. They were not aware bow much
property had been confiscated, anti they lot got the situation of
many of the parties. How was such a measure to be made
'applicable to tenants for life—tenants in'tail—tenarns for a
longterm—and others which he enumerated, and which he
contended could receive no !chef from a measure like that
which had been sta?gest ed. The measures that would diminish
the evil were first of all economy and retrenchment, carried
on so as to restore the lost equilibrium of property. Next it
would be necessary to guard against foreign importations.
He did not wish the price of grain to he raised ; he wished it
not to be raised ; but it was necessary to look Very closely to
the conditions on which foreign corn was allowed to„ he im
ported, for nothing could be more _altsurd than to suffer the
opening of the ports for 6 weeks to glut the market for the !text
three years. He hoped those things would be remembered by
Ministers, and thatiticx..rold foresee that if the agricultural.
interest and the five or six millions of persons depending:
upon it were not perfectly protected, the public credit would
lie in danger, as would even Abe laws and constitution of the
country if lost equilibrium were .not restored. , •
Mr. LUSFIINGTON felt convinced, from the speech of the
-Hon. Member who had just sat down, as well as that of the
Hon. Member for Norfolk, that they could not have been
present in the House run' the fortnerth bate. His Right Finn.
Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer could riot have been
designated by them as the instrument of a coldhearted and
callous Government, obstinately determineds to give no relief
to the distresses of the people in the remission of any taxa-
tion. The statement made by his Right II rn. Friend was,
that the maintenance of public credit was the most sure and
speedy cure fur the agricultural distress of the country, and
not a sweeping and unthinking repeal of taxes, Which, by de7
privink the public creditor of all confidence, would produce
tenfold distress among all classes of :the community. His
Right Hon. Friend illustrated his argument. by stating that
one of the means of relief which he proposed was, a reduction
of the charge for interest upon a portion of the plablic debt,
by paying off the five percents., which he placing 1,300,0001.
at liberty, over and above the existing Sinking Fund, would
afford the Government and the House an opportunity of con-
sidering what taxes might be reduced without violating the
public,faith, or affecting the security of the public creditor.
His Right Hon. Friend stated, that in,tead of the course
proposed by Mr. Hunie,the practice of all former Parliaments,
and that which the otrviuus reasbn and.j.ostice of the case
called upon them.to adopt, was first to consider deliberately
the extent of thereductions made hYGovernment in the public
expenditure, .whether any and %slat further reductions-could
be made consistently with the good. of the-:publie service. and
the safety of the State :—to examine then the income which
would remain after defraying all unavoidable charges, and to
,deal with the surplus in such, manner as :might be- thought.
insist conducive to the maintenance of the public credit, in

which all the ItM. interests of the country were involved.
Any plan for the reduction of taxes which did not preserve
the public faith inviolate would be illusory, and a real aggra.
vation of the distresses of the people. In the present state of
things it •appeared to him. that; .with respect to Agricultural
distress, the must reasonable course that wild be pursued,
was to heat what measures the Government ;had to propose,
and.then it would be open to any Member to suggest what he
might. think necessary. rill were.agreeettliat relief must be
afforded, and the only difference :hat existed was as to the
mode in which it should be applied.
..Mr. ITUNIE thought, ther_Hon_..Gentleman. could not have
been in the House when' the debate to which he alluded took
place, nor yet have read his amendment. His amendment
called for no reduction of taxation—for no art that could en-
danger public credit. He had called for a reduction of ex•
,Pences from the highest to the lowest branch of the public
service, that taxation might be reduced in propertiOn. Who
could understand the Chancellor of the .Exchequer -but
meaning this—" Taxation must not he diminished,—if yoU
diminish it you increase the distress of the country." lie
was happy to find, from the tone of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
•Lushington,) that eight-and-forty hours had not elapsed saner
that speech was made, without teaching the GJvernment that
whatever they intended, taxation must be diminished Ile
was happy to mark this change in their carriage, •ard augur:
ed well from the explanation which had just been offered by
the Hon. Gentleman. •. . • _ . .

The Petition was then read by the Clerk;and ordered to he
printed.
[Here. a Message from the Lords requested the Hatiqe to
communicate to their Lordships the prnited.Appendix to the
Agricultural Committee of last Sc.:sion's Report, which was
ordered accordiogiv 1
REPORT OF ADDRESS.

On Mr. R. CLIVE appearing at the Bar with the Report of

1)e Address,

Mr. CURWEN rose—Though it might be rely well 'known.
within that House, that any individual who dissented trout
the Address was not bound by it, yet, as that might not be,
the case in the country,' be would now state his reasons of
dissent.. Either 'Ministers knew the state of the country, or.
they did not; but whether they did or not, the' coontry -was
looking to them with the most anxious exprictation. The.
country :lad, however, no right to look: for them with hope,
fhe distress was apparent—was felt Over all the country, and
in the West of England there were no rents paid. „Mini-stets
might say, that the progressive improvement of thr country
was consoling to the Crown; but .he would ask them hftw
consoling the progressive improvement: of the past hail been ?
and yet it had been regular Iv repeated in the. Speech,'and
echoed in the Addresses of the" House. This was dealing, un-
fairly by the country, and also by the Crown; for there could
he no dOubt that if the King were to he dulpadvised otthe Suf-
ferings of his people, he would order measuges fur their relief.
Ministers had the equilibrium; thelevel between the Agri
cnitnrists and that portion of the people who jived-upon an-
nuities, or were fed oat of the revenue, and,in, order to re-,
storethis level, they must either alter ;he currency or re-
move a portion of the taxes. the former 'would he neither
just not wise. At all events, the level ought to be restored.
He was not, however, for doing that by. a return to high
prices, because these prices the other classes of the country
could not bear; and while lie was not forsacrificiug the inte-
rests of the agri,culturists to those of the other.classes, as little
would he he for sacrificing those- of the other classes to them.
If high prices were to he produced, that would ruin the ma.;.-
nufacturers, and thus defeat its object. .'!'hough Ministers
had not-adverted to it, the country had been progressively
suffering in all its interests; and, he could freely assert, and
that without fear of contradiction, that the general- income
of the- country had been progressively diminished. Mi-
nisters had hinted that they would lend five millions -in
aid of the agriculturists; but where were they to find
security In all cases where there was security to give,
plenty of ' money could be borrowed, and that at a rate
of interest sufficiently low. Bnt granting that security
could be afforded, who wouldcborrow money to invest
it in agricultural implements and improvements. when
the sums already so invested were yielding no return ? It was
impossible that such a remedy could do any good, and there-
fore they ought to look to the removal of a part of the taxes,
The public Credit ought, no doubt, to be preServed, if pos—
sible, but it was of more consequence to preserve the industry
and character of the people ; for it was in vain to think of
ruining anyone class of the people without at the same time
ruining the other classes. The Speech was .fallacious in as
far as it represented the country generally as being in a state
of prosperity. There had been within the last six years, he
was confident. a falling otf of six millions sterling in the
general revenue of the country.; and if with this falling off,
the same sum were to. continue to. he paid in taxes, a•portion
of that egilal at least to a-million and a halt, indepetident
of the increased value of the currency,. would have t• be
paid, out of the capital ; an it was impossible' that they
could long continue to spend out of that capital. This
state of the country was not a misreotesentation, it was
borne out by the facts; and it ought to-be truly alarm-
ing. If nothing could be done to remedy the decreased in-
comes of the landholders, then the taxation shoold be ltrought
down-to meet that. This was what matters must come to;
and if measures were not now taken to prevent it, thr issue
might be serious indeed. The House would the swell to hear
in mind what resulted from the monopoly of property, and ex-
emption from taxes which were enjoyed by the. nobility and
clergy in Fiance. If these had come forward at the proper
time to bear their share of the public burdens, the coi,s.e•
quences which followed might have been avoided. But grant-
ing that it should not for some time come to this calamitous
refult, the distress-front want of employment, and from the
throwing of a great part of the lands out of cultivation, must
be very serious indeed. Mr. C. trusted the- Hun. Meinber for
Kent (Sir E. Knatchbull) would support retrenchment to the
Veil utmost, and the number of Members who would
do the same might induce the Minister to alter his- views.
This question was of so much interest to the country,
that it ought to be discussed withoutaay reference. to
.party,
and with the best understanding bet Ween Tories, Whigs, and
all denominations whatever. As for himself, he trusted that
he was as 'much .attached to reform as any man ; but he would
propose not to mix even that with the distresses of the coun-
try- He might say indeed, that economy, retrenchment, and
a consequent lessening of taxation, would be the first steps
Of a most essential. reform. He would, however, waive all
party-feelings, anxious as he was to prevent this country froin
being driven, by the loug pressure of distress,' to a state such
as that under which Ireland unhappily was, where all of. man
seemed to. he gone but his animal passions, and these no laws
could restrain. • .
_

brought up, read, and agreed to.
STATE OF IRELAND. _

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY *rose,- in pursnaace of
a notice which he had given on a former night, to call•the at-
tention of the House to' that part of his -Majesty's Speech,.
which referred to the presert internal state of Ireland; and he
was sure that they would believe him sinceete- when lie-assured-
them that he had never risen to perform a duty with•more pain-
ful feelings than he experienced on the present occasion. -He
had certainly hoped, when he recollected how Ireland lead-eon-
ducted herself of late years in very tryiag-cireumstancea, that
they would be spared , the melamfaaly knowledge that a spitit•l
of insubordination existed there which could only-be -put dOwnl
by tha strong hand of- Justice,. ond•bY lake framed to; protect
all classes, by repressing disorder. The task he hid to per-
form was additionally.painfni to him on other growl:lee -He !
regretted that it had pot fallen to the let of - hieeltight Hon.
Friend, who was more immediately connected with the. Admi- I
nistration of Irelandthan.hirnself, and he ceuld not give a morel
convincing proOf that he undertook it from a sense of imperi.
ous duty, than lie should offer when he stated that not meiedv I
his friends in the AdMinistration -on.thii chic of Me:water had .!
requested him, to do eoebut those tylga.erete charged with the 1
Administration . for Ireland had wrilteri to him not to delay'
bringing it forward, even till the .Peeetery of Statdfor the /tome'
Department, and : the Chief Seeretery for _lreland could,aiiive.
Under these circumstances he threw himself on the indtil?ence
of the House, while he entered mien the painful duty which
might have been better diecharged. by those more immediately •
responsible for the state. of Ireland. tic was moved to the at-
tempt,by every principle of duty, of policy, and he might 'add,:
by every principle of order and mercy, to repress; with the least;
possible delay, those rebellions which had unligpily demandedthe attention of Goi-erinn:nt.! 11l begged to claim the imiticu-
ler indulgence of the House on the grounds which he had men-
tioned.-- The nature of -the .subject being of,. neHeity in ;the
highest degree painful to his feelings, he sliciad onfine.him-;
self as much as possible" in first stating to the !froinie the•-.suli-
stance of the measures which he felt it necessary to pro,peeee ;.lie.
should thenstate the grounds uponavhich- he called;, upon Par-
liament to sanction those measures e andlastß, lid ehotild irate
the probable duration which they were intended to h'ive... He
! was anxious to proceed upon, every principle:of merry, tewerde
the wretched and deluded people who had embarked in the hoe.:
rible system of outrage_of which Ireland was row the siene::—,
And he we:di-Istate to the, Honie that the srifeaspreti. w:laie,h he
had to .propose,, were considered absolutcl4.Dece44o9:etbe
safety of the ;country by that highly este,dneW aid respected
individual who Was now entrusted with theAAininistration' f
the Goverment in the sister country.. Thos v ineiieuees .were t i
.re-enactinent, of the Insurrection Act, and the-stfirlierreiOn oft e
Haberie 'Corpus Act.—(Hear, hear ly-:-The a-Mitten which be
intended these measures to have wits the,limited;peried of six
months. Thus the House-would see that it retained the power
of removing thesd enactments µt the end or 11-1-Si.4.3i4an, or of
Ontinuings theme as the urgency of the •case nip ht del-nand--;This would particularly apply to the suepension of the Ha-
beas Corpus Act; as he sincerely hopeetlia-there would 're,
main no groithas ftaiiii colitintnince; libihe Vcitgli telltiellcus

that there was no situation to which he could be recinced.. Mote
contrary tl his disposition and wishes, than that of wititholdin4
from any of his Majesty's,sultieters the iniStiiiiable advantages
of that writ. These. acts, upon former occasions, were never %3
force for so short A period. The time to winch. the one wa.s,
limited, at the occurrence of the Manchester conspiracies, w 3,7
three
,years. With regard to the !Insurrection Act,. he learett
that there would still remain a neceasity for continuinst it ta
force, When the attention of Parliament was again, called t°
this unfortunate subject. It was scarcely to be expected, eve°
in case the rebelliOUS state Of the 'coontry,sllould have been sup;
pressed, that the country could have subsided into that state °1
tranquillity in which it could be left without some Extra noel;
being vested in the laws. The Noble Lord new at the head °I.
the Administration in Ireland, had. been :most active since ;his
residence in that country in renirganizieg the system-ofePolice'e
and.in endeavouring to place the civil power in swell aettat.ljh•
eilicien.eye as, in conjunction with the means
would render the-increase of the Military threo tahnocessarfo'
The Bills which he was about- to meee lihn leave to bring in'
would be limited to six ininiths, to expire on the first of M;
gust next, unless necessity should arise for rencwino, them
the expiratioti of that-perio.i. It WAS of the very first import-
ance that neat:lee should Le allowed in passings. snow ineasorett
for remedying the, unhappy state i 1 to which lretand had fallen,
They were not without precedents for peesing ineaqueres .for
suppression .of rebellion at a single sitting. lie contess.ed,,Or
when he cantle down to the House, he. w.as dispoeed sugges7:
a similar worse upon the nresentoceaSion. Since licenten'n
he•hitil come to the resolution of-proposing tita•:thn Baal:tow'
wily advenced,to the third readingoitiol then to pa.sa the othet
stages and ibriverd them to the House of Lords, and bring Cheat:
into action as eorly as possitilein-the enetting.-Weakl He
die IllelAnci.;(ily *a:4(.of .a4vetting to dontecounds !open whic"'
these. nieitsures. were rendered urgently iineessary-. Front Co°.
official napers 'before was the• House, it • ias iotpessitne not I,`'
•
draw' the conclusiohall. t Ireland 4s:hi:ate:tat :and even nee'.
lion, The contents e we two lastdot-iecn. nts coniieneed t.•®.
[ existence of a widely extended conspiraty enci. ' nebeilien
.southern counties of Ireland. lost sinewy did he hope, 03'
the V7:Vlorn,of.Parliainetit,Mll.;;lt render c),l ~least difretian•-[-'
He trusted that the theaSurini which he had the honour of alibi,.
• mating to the House would be (mind. adequate. to the, task.'"
cohvincing the„delotled people old: the „ioiquity, of theineraili's'
and of bringing them. lkickto.tirat :Ana submissive c°11"-
duct which alone could expatiatetheni. ia. coeld only :exPec,
i.-
the return of order and trainnaillity, by it-t-veating in the nano°,
Government those extended powers ze-e:eaeery *-,"^[
crush the rebellion before it assumed it Still more ibraiidnbl4
.character. -Far- tine-Parliament- to -heaitatee in -giviting sod,'
powern woold have the most fatal tendency. They w:rr
bound, without loss of time, to place the seine powers in -01 s,
hands of the -.Marquis Wellesley which, had been granted to I"'
predecessors in that high office which he now filled, tinder cu'
l
cumstances of a similar nature to that vecohli now demand'
- them. Whatever the en entity and ehoirible chars'"
ten of the outrages nevi committing in Ireland, -tlierewas t
least sotneeonsolatioti m ktiOnting the: then did not'oriatinty•
from religious or !political.sourceitn• • They (nun& -beanthe
ratteristies which marked those.nvi4eiples of resistance in .
neral .in other parts of the worich—(bear, hear, hear, fro:lt,
the Opposition 1) He repeated that he !was gind to belie*!!
that then rebellion did. not • beor the ailearactetiatie of .otbhf'
rebellions. Tins rebellion was, indeed, fontid•d :Ton re;
sistance to the laws, bet it was of a. very lit' Tint"'
from • those -rebelliotis which originated hi grill .pelitieni
ciples, calculated. to lead to . any thing but litho ty.—(llttor".
hear, hear.)--But the absence Of' that revolutionary charlf;
ter fouhd no resent why it should. not be pet down proroct'ia.
and effectively.. It was a rebellion anoinst - all the principle"
Governmetinwhich held society together, It was a rebellioo
'against all law, social order, and morelity. Direete.d by an ill;
visible pot. ere whether under the title of Camara.Rocki or •c'snor
other, he cured riot, it dictated crimes euonnities Which dis'
graced Mankind. :It proscribed the hot et vendee; o the lons"'
classes, tin' their industry and obod-hintion -and Oen higliet 0e"
der--for their
.character and rielica. -it end eivOtirel. detelyis
Opriglit frotn diseharging their duty, even when called-noon 13
a Court of JuStice. Even the nlanistrecy were saceineed
ttli::;:itthhelittl:ve:terformititceeof their oecupathnns. it's`'`
a rebellioo the d,,lodtd, ;.,od egainst
valuable in society. It was rebellion stni`Can•
orl the most cruel onir ferocious enimesh iJpon diene grouro
iteres nett rid twos dri'ven tuthe tainehtehleotecestity of.ionnll
to Parliament for thatinereVtAl Rottr;::f would be Pt--
in the hands„of the Exectizive Goveninieet, I,y the pasnin't.;-,
theJildla whi,:b. tog, nbeteinto peopaie. ,I.IE 1;315 ad Ctrs"
was nothing political religirius in the cieueener of this rea,
lion ; but he would ceution the nnainat implyi onY
curity from that eiretimataticie ov'tio Could say, of the ti-411,,,1e
should permit delay in putting down this insuerection,
treason, for ti•eane.n it alsonvaa, 110,7.10 M 5t should rtrita4l-I,.*.tona
out the ageravntion-of both those el-intact .ristica ? 144
with treat attentioo M what Wait said he t';h Right Heti. „
ronet opposite (Sir J. Newport),, oh It recent occasion.. bee-oust;
the Hight Hon. Ben :oit !knew Irela.nd welt, end. neelool 0,
tA lea trot interests. Crti W.Htt fens 'cats:
• dispose-et to an tieinete ant: objectiare in' .thet quarteehto- the tne,,S
SUreS which he was sunenitemeetetho.nnnne! neneeee_ter,he ha .
misunderstood the sentinients of the its. Hon. Bono; the Bono"
would most hkely have the benefit of his views union the qtese'c
tion. . The Rhein llon.,lfaronet had edmitted .the necessitY,
coercive nteasnees, but Anthesame. time lie made sointaulloa.3l
to die adopt-ma of e. conciliating smile ith conjeection wigs
them: Now he. *(the Noble Marquis), must protest a
tins 'principle altogether. Nothing, could be More tonal `
object they, had in view then yielding any nehigi like cone's'
to these deluded people, while they remained onnositiol4n
the laws of their country.. This was not the time , for eon° toe
tion ; the only object which ought to engross their attention,e,n
the present moment was, the danger' ant exigency p 1 ,teen
horrid outrages, and: the imperative nceeseity.of crushing t' he
at once. . They must . not now.be occupied with discussing tna,
sYstem- of Government in• Ireland, or the various causes wl°,„
hvere assigned by inclitotiuttla. L'S produfing • the dreadful
into Which that •country was Planed 'l. t,
here- could not-P°,,s
sibly exist a more.fecal principle than that of• hulling;.out to
•insur'ent people the . slightest notion of any alteratioe in
tl'ot,
Government 'or 0-10 Laws. By such a line of preeeedinfznin.a
would oidd be holding out the most direct premitina il-'`kaa-
insunreetionary. movements. And whatever moralities tnen
- committed now, the instruments of souther rebellion might s
expected to go still further with their crimes and their strocitlne
This Was_ horrible_ W1024104_ having the prospect ceei
stantly before their- eyes of succeedn rim in Ones,r),ceit by 3i ~
i-0,/
ties of• a still deepet die.,.This rebellion went already to the
tent of secret • ewiabinations for eliv:ding land and seizing
upon property which produced more than a certain ineoihano
It was in facon•rtbellion or murder and plunder, carriectoth;t;
invisible 'agents, who would be sure to mahe Ireland t
scene of future insurrection. • and Jawlek outrage, if aoy.vgit.j
were conceded upon the present occasion. The Houle ir,cl:';o
therefore See nhe impropriety-and don eer of mixing conciliao
•• with the measures, they might think -14 to adopt in the pies`,,,
. emergency. The time for conciliatory rileagiarc3, and ,for
naination into the causes of the distress which no doubt ents`n,
in Ireland, would be whin its people .hail returned no a trs, ,
quit :tats ofpeaceftil- obedience to the laws.- All political 0, .ii
ligious, topics should be suspended' Int the mm of do.l?,L'a'
and The Catholic, Body,: on _a[foi iner simi!ar occasi,-)0
action- wisely, judieiously, and temperately, sustained tt"'
bringing...their chneus • before the Parlizenenn He %ens coD
dent that they would tiow.,-pursue the same, line of concitabtf
for the existence of, these disturbanees,inust have the etfecti.jo
no other cause operatede, of rejection to: their claims. 1%,,
regard, to conciliation, ;•net-fan as it. WaS practicable oat
volving them M concession to:the insurgent.s,..he thought sib
- the delay- in bringirignhe ..aubjent ebefOre Parliament was :. tpo
..gMW!st Pledge of a eoriellintorydispositioh which the Oohed
merit cottlu, atiord. Goverinnent, had 'waited anxiously: .Sna
very -patiently, with theltope that_ the disturbances mignt
suppressed without the necessity of makinn the. present Int
cation to. Parliament. The hillitary.forCes were increased
they were fOund to be iendequate to the object. •• They
not drive the' instirgetita froin their fastnesses ; anti in one
stanee they disenvered a camp where they had been forTl3o-ai
and in, which they had left various martial impleinenta • 11. tee
the.apecial Cornmisslon much had been expectett.• But • 4..4,01
bows produced_ no permanent effect. The Noble indivoli to
who presided over the. Irish Government was nioSit 'anxioilectt
• ainelionate the 'condition of the people of Ireland, and , to' atte'eca
[ them more to the House of Hanover; and he (LOrd-Wellesang
was of. opinion that the surest method of accomplishing
object was to enforce a due obedience to its authority, stns;.,
the institutions which were supported under its sway. lead'
tins conviction he was prepared to' take the responsibilitl ion/
ministering these laws, ifthe Parliament; in its-wisdom,
• think fit to enact them It was with the Most painful- fee Fete
that he had to [communicate to the House intelligence
commission of fresh outrages, exceeding in their b1004,-;11
•ferocious 'clenacter those described in the 'papers th6ri
hands of Members. (The Noble 111arquis herdoleseribet',es,
attack anti murder of the policemen, given in Trin-Stee; °t )ere
terdey.) It was to be remarked that all these notrageseo ,nt4
committed in the night, and that the object of the Bills '":-.tht
make persons responsible tbr not being in their hinisem ae`oola
proper time for retirement and rest. Ile trusted that he 6l'atit''
gun be.. called on for -any further 'information, wm hich' it!,.
' ed the head of the Irish Government to consider the
sion of theiHabeas Corpus Act necessary. lie believed it ;111,
common for the House to place so much Confidence in then
nisters of the Crown, in all cases of great public exigon'Yn'on,
not to require from them the information on which they ‘1..n.0
• :upon their own responsibility. He was happy that 10.5e0
jesty's visit to Ireland hail been attended with that exPrea.'nln
• of attaChment awlaffection on the part of the }woof
' which, was so gratifying, to an Irishman's heart. not
' visit had produced a degree of union Where the tic