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London, England, 1813-05-19 00:00:00

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SOLENV Qtll3 MCERE FALsum Alyni;:sx?

L 0 N D 0 N,

WEDNESDAY, MAY 19, 1813.
•.'
e 'lave this moment received accounts from
to the I.4th, from Cadiz to the Bth, and
aotteriburgh to the I lth , by Mails which have
Anorniug arrived•from these various quarters.
contents of the two former %vitt be found in a
i2eeding column., and convey important. accounts
t4e movements on the Peninsula preceding
re Commencement Of the grand contest 'for the
:triition of, a long oppressed people. The
„t4_,
appe!er to be on the point of abandoning
4tencin and m,,drid, and of endeavouring to ermin'
`tdila: by a concentration of their forces be-
f4l4(lthe Prom the latter we bait made the
:),11°3114 extracts, upon the authenticity of which
niay
the fate of
vend, the consequences on
-
.1:'"Ve()1 the facts they announce must be deci-
Ilqonilanyevents which have yet taken place.
d'elaration of Austria that she will join the
geoe-
alt tl confederacy
.ag;tilist the Tyrant, will arm
at.leanains doubtful of Germany against
1111; and the protection of the Haase Towns
Yna ,
nirk must either invoke- BVPNAPAILTE
a new enemy,;or have the iMmediate al!, et of
\'lviog these ,
towns tram h7l.'•;'ulireatenA vengeance,
14(41 lie unfortunately (which we trust he will
14) aCqUirC the ability of -carrying it into even
Pielial execution.
-!tte coincident 'departure of the ("now N Pal NCE
Mr., THOENToN for. the Russian head-guar-
-44; and of the French Princes from this country,
ti'es a strong Sanction to the belief that coat-
, AIN
caUse is about to be made by all the Sove-
jej
giis of Europe against the personally aggran-
. 'meg projects of their comnon iwesny..
4OTTENRITROU, MAY 11.—They write trom
t.:apenhagen, tinder date of the 3d, that. the Aus•
n Ambassador there has officially declared the
Otention of .his Court to join the Allied Powerstf ~
not tOguarantee'NorWay to Sweden;
•,tl'h2 same accounts state, that the Danes will
.!Pport the independence of Hamburgh, Lubeck,
lid all the ilanacatic towns ; and that Prince
toLuoitucki. has been recalled, and will leave
on the 7th.-
!io'f-tu,• tg!: u Hatt, MAY 10.—The Danish Consul
flee
" this plaCe yesterday, having been ordered by
anisii Court to leave the country in twenty-
f , '
nours•
ttlie expedition
trip
pedition of 3090 men,,*embarked here,
.rate through the Sound for *Wismar, im-
.4:14 atelY. Jim wind permits ;
.12',000 Swedish
.11,1141114. have already arrived there, and the CROWN, '\4'u will soon join them.; be has left cerls:
for
the Prussian head-quarters in Dresden,
place, Mr. THORNTON also left- Stock-
-011 .tne 4th inst.
Uk• r
• • •
'Port (bated Calmari.from the Chief of 811
' tiktit;, 6 •
440NDoR,.relative to the passage of a di-
-ion,,c
tet, is the only other article of in,
'setice
titought by this mail.] •
tioltN.l . Nay. of important matter of every. des.erip-
ith which our columns are this day filled,
:"It:
-,
'4141,„0 II s• Possihi:ity of our submitting: re
, •
to
11,1 Pon tAny one Of the subjects thus presented
few words we have room to offer
11.1(0.
' s -must -he accepted by our cutters
Ilther. as generd ices than as commentaries,
Arid
we
shall take. the earliest opportunities in'our
•,•i•
bat
• (entering more at large. upon the
" these truly mighty themes.

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Papi
,AT
p ' rapers to.: the 16th, containing .13110NA'-
,
. f, 8
rapers
of military operations to the 9th,
tblille
,to hand last ni:,llt. The enetny- entered
r"dell 011 the Bth, after actions: (wiliel4 are ,rem
i'vei , '
1:14"Ited as parti4 affairs) on the 6th, at Erztlorff,
,on the 701, 11„„r Nassen. In his dispatches,
itile tyrant has had recourse to one ,of the
I)f)st 4E1'41 ;out novel stratagems. ever yet
I,iti3eti in milli-01:y manoeuvring. In order
of 'il,r(lw bil4Picion rtpc;n the account of the battle
vers:-,l!2;en* Ivilen it. shalt collie ' from his r.ttl:
tilt 41 'es, he ims ,r j vett , , a priori„, a .preteynteci
tisl't'CNietl narra-tive. of that victory ; but as it is
I'ktf4te of eunni„a to „ver-rpach its` purpose, _by
`itltli'' this document " from ,llte fiela qf kWh', the:
fur,,44Pril (3t/ 3100," ho unwittingly brings
41, N'
4:LI 4 v.oucher which .proves I his defeat
rants the preceding day, and that. his wirer -
iii 4[4 ten Win Masters of the Ueld,,,- %the occu.
. . i.,

Lion of Dresden, in a military point of vie!vi is
nothing, and the movements of the Al!ies ap-
peal. to be directed by that cautious and "cool
judgment which led to au i'-ue so glorious in the
last canipaign.—BuoNArmiTE has set his all up.
ou a cast ; but they have not—and therefore they
give or refuse battle :is prudence dictates ; not as the
desperate fortunes of their opponent require.--
-Their loss at Laze!: is stated at,Booo killed and
wounded, that of the French at from 12 to 15,000.
men. Should the adance of the French have
the effect of relieving itny of the blockaded
fortresses on the Eibe, it will, at least,
be sotne advantage to the Allies, that the re-
lease of their troops from before these fortifica-
tions will materially add to their strength' iti the
field, while the enemy Will derive no increase to
his army from that Bource.

We this day inOrt the official details of the de-
feat of SUCIIET, at Chstalla.

To the impoftint dOcument from Cardinal
BouREON to the Pope's „Nuncio, in Spain, ye give
place without comment—it requires none in the
first instance; but after it has wrought its effect
on the public mind, we shall deem it our duty to
deliver our opinions upon it. -

I The public, we arc snre, will see with sincere
satisfaction the advertihementS, in the front of
this Paper, kr the celebration of the Anniversary
of Mr. PITT'S' Birth-day in various parts of this
kingdom. They Afford the strongeq proof of the
veneration in which, the memory, of that illus
tHons Statesman is held,. and, of the, general pre-
valence of those constitutional principles of which
he was. thp nios;, powerful ehampion.

Het' itatEsTy will give a grand dinner at Frog-
,
moi4, this day,. on which occasion the PRIN.-
RssEs, his -Royal- Highnesslhe PRINCE REGENT,
and the ROYAL DUXES, ' together with one hun-
dred of the Nobility are invited, in honour of her
MAJEstYv-i-Birtli-day.
Yesterday the Duke of YORK transacted mili-
tary 'business with the PRINCE REGENT.
The King. Of 'FRANCE is not among the Princes
of. the House of Bourbon who arc procceding to
the theatre of war ; but the Duke d'ANGouthmß)
the Duke Dille-rots, and Baron de ROLLE) left
London yesterday for the Continent. Prague is
said to be their destination, where, according to
report, a Congress of PRINCES is to be held.
The Gazette of last night announces the ap-
pointment of Major-General Sir C. STEwNaT to
.he Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipo-
tentiary to the Court. of Prussia.,
It is understood that the Resolutions proposed
by Lord CASTLEtteatin to,the House of Commons,
relative to our Indian System, will be finally de-
chic.' upon in the Committee of the whole House
in the. week after next,, as the Select Committee
have nearly gone through the e.tamination of the
witnesses called before them. -
TWENTY • THOUSAND, AND Two HUNDRED
PouNos ! No. 8385, drawn, yesterday morning a
Prize 0f 200/. and as the first prize above 201.
entitled to 20,000/. making the total amount
'0,2001. was sold in One Quarter, Two Eighth,
and Six Sixteenth Shares, by BRANSCOME, at the
Lucky Office; nolhorn Bars, where the fortunate
holders_ may receive their respective shares. on
demand, on the usual tertns.'.

THE POPE!S NIJNCIO IN SPAIN.

NI A NIF gsTo

OF THE SPANISt REGENCY' AGAINST THE ARCH.'
BISHOI'OF NICEA, THE 'POPIVO NUNCIO IN SPAIN/

TO THE PRELATES AND COArrERS OP SPAIN, Tur, DECENCY. AP

1114 KINUDOM.

Upon taking into my hands the Government of
t 6 kingdom, I find. myself underthe painful Ile-
cesity of interfering with a subject equally deli-
cate from its publicity and transeeadent nature,
as fronithe character of the persons who were con-
cerned in ir. The Chapter of the Cathedral of
Cadiz, with their Capitttlar Vicar, and the QttU-
nary and Military Vicars of this town, pretending
the defence of religion, and a fear ofaeting against
their own consciences, opposed themselves to the
publication in the parish churches,' of the Decree
and Manifesto of the Corte concerning the esti).-
blishnent of the Tribunals for the proLetion of
the Faith, instead of the lately abolished Inquisi-:
tion. I therefore aclopted the most energetic tutta7
suiss, in order that, whilst those Decrees were duly
eniicted,,Spain might be preserved from the cow.
vidsions Which threatened her at that moment.—
To those 'measures, -equully tending- to main-
tain the dignity of the Holy ChUrch and the tran'-
quility of-'the 86ttde,, we owe the extinction of a
flame which might have cons,umed the kingdo:n.
But the circtunstance of having desired from tin.
Chapter-of this
.Church, and front some others
with whom I bad bei!ti in corresponde.tice, ail au-
thentic copy of their Resolutions lintLothei doeu-
nients, that we might take such steps as the :pis:.
tine of the Government,. ,and the offended sove-
reignty of the Nation Called for, led to the, dis-
Covery: of, a fact, which gratty increased my stir-.
rOw-, hoth on accou.,t of the clio:teter of its an-
thor,' and the danger to which it had'exposed the
country. •
Among the documents that were laid before
us, thae appeared a let tor from the most Rev. Peter
Oravhia, A."111)141101?of Nicea, 'and Nuncio- of
his ifoliaess fOr Spain, to the Dean and Chapter
of the Cathedral of Malaga (I}, dated the. stit of
Mari+ last-i in' which he exhorted them tip delay,
an& ever' to oppose,, the, execution of his
jesty's tiecreefi: epneerning the Inquisition. 'The
Most Rev. NunciOappearei,„ iiy Iris sign ii to t rct
act in that ihstiin&e only tit his Arehiepiseopal
character, notwithstanding that he was protesting
against the injury which 4e. supposed hkivp bee 4

done to, tire noty see, 10 the almlition of Elic
Inquisition, and the Decree Or promulgating it
in the parish Churches. fl e also says, in his
letter, that the Wallops now resident.. in this
town, had it in contemplation to answer to Go-
vernment; that, they c,nild not pnt these decrees
into practice until they ban hckutl the, opinion of
their. Chapters---at the same time throwing a slur
tits fit those Bishops by the intimation that this
was, intende„d as a mere pretext ; after which he
adds-"thatexplicitly they thus gained time to
make all the proper retnunatrances upon the itat.
Ile. farther states, -that the, Chapter of this
Church sedexacante, had declined to execute the
Deerte ; upon Which he exhorts the Chapter of the
Church of Malaga to adopt the opinion of all .the
Prelates, (thus reckoning upon thcirdisubedience),
and: endeavours to persuade their, that by acting
according to his advice;, they, ould do an import-
ant service to Religion,,toihe Church, and to our
most Holy Father, whose authority and rights lie
conceived to be vulnerated, without thereby favour-
ing the Episcopal power It is also added, that he had
thonght.it his duty-to remousi rate (2) in the name of
his Holiness, opposing the execution of such Oe-
Oreesontil the Pope had given his consentor uppro-
-bation ; or, in defect of the .Pope, the same were
done by a National,Council and he finally closed
his letter with a promisc.; of communicating to
them, under the greAtest secrecy, every circum-
stance, as it should take place, which might eon,
tribute to regulate their conduct for tile fitture.

Copies of letters have been also forwarded to me
by,the Rev. Bishop of Jaeu (3), and the Chapter,
of Granada„sede vuevitv(4), similar to the
.above-
Mentioned, and- which, with the same object,
and under the same, . date, were directed to; them '
by the Most Rev. Nuncio. From these it ap-
pears, that the said Nuncio, trampling on the
first principles of International Law, overlooking
the boundaries of his public mission, and abusing
the Veneration in which this pious people hold the
Legates of the Apostolic See, has endeavoured to
promote. anti actually ?;as promoted, under the
cloak of religion, the disobedience of some very
respectable Prelates .And Ecclesiastical Bo-
dies to the decrees' and orders' of the Sove-:.
reign Power. If the. Most Reverend Nuncio
had only intended to act as a Legate of the Holy
Father, and to avoid 'any expostulation to which
he might conceive himself exposed for his silenee
on the present subject, nothing obstructed his way
to me through the medium of the Secretary of ,
State,. I might overlook his avoiding this, regular
mid official means of communication, %then he re-
monstrated as he thought proper upon the mat-
ter, And should have, attributed, the informa-
lity of the conduct which he chose to adopt,
to inadvertency, or 'rather to an excess of..confi-
dence. 'I should have: only paid attention to his
arguments, and, with the advice of the- Supreme
Congress, taken suchresolutions as the defence of
the Holy Church .and the temporal good of the
State, demanded with one voice from me.
The justice of the national cause makes me
feel quite confident dint, had this been the case,
should have satisfactorily answered the Note 'of
the Most Reverend Nuncio, and that I should
have been found equal to meet those vagiie nod
ecuumon-place arguments which the wisqoui of
the most august Congress has already defeated.
His uneasiness won'tti have been calmed, when he
should see that the abolition of the Inquisition
can, by no means, either endanger religion, or
injure the rights of the Roman Pontiff ; and that
all the fears which he entertains, on that account,
for the primacy'. of the. Holy Father, and the su-
, Fettle authority Which be holds in the Church,
are most vain and ungrounded. Ells qualms would
have. been alloyed, concerning the impropriety
which he seems to find in the circumstance of de-
claring to the people, during the celebration of
MaSs, thAt a tribunal which teas established, and
Eder three centuries protected by the Popes, is use-
less., injuritMs, and rotatory to the laws of the
kingdom. In fine, he would have seen that the
.
august Congress, in ibis purely political question,
has acted in virtue of its sovereign authority,
without injuring, in any way whatever, the rights
of the Holy Vather, or, much lesS, thoSe of the
'Catholic Church ;. so that they might, either now
or in future, be in need of the remonstrances of
Nuneiri 'or Councils.

But the private letters which under the same
date as the note were .written by the Most .Ite-
verend Archbishop of. Nicea, and the fact of his
haring mentioned therein that he forward'echt
• to -
monstrance to the Governmenr upon the.snlieet,
are circumstances which clearly prove, thai whilst
be betrayed the secrecy which he himself reconr-
mended, he aimed not merely to avoid the charge
of negligence in the fulfilment of his office, hut
rather to raise in the pious Clergy of Spain, and
by their means in the people at large, a distrust of
the temporal antlicritie...; which he thus strove to
decry; find to check their influence over a class
of the State; the members of which, by reason of
th.,ir conspicuous rank, ought to be true samples
of subordination and obedience.' •
This nulooked for behaViimr of the Most Reve-
rend Nuncio has comprontised the honour of the
National Congress., the security of the kingdom,
• the' authority of the Episcopal Order, the true
rights of the Roman Pontiff, and the respect which
is dike to the Church He, nn the one hand, ac-
' knoWledges in his note the: authority of the Cortes •
whilst on the other, by means of a Secreticorre-
spOudence, he sows distiffectitin and insubordi-
pationamongst the Spanisli Clergv. the.clia-
. racier of.. a public 14.,!way, he: • makes applioa-
tian to-the Supreme Govermnneut, claiming for re-
dress; as an individual Prelate, he sprekids
private letters tending to the discretOt of that very
same Government: When addressimf the - re
gency, he eimjares the zeal of the -Alini•3ters of
Religion and when F:peat;ing to thw.ci.liatstet's;
be hisults tloit s;sme rclOon, by nial,hig'it toitl
to fornent the insubordination which-It condemns.
With the Government, henssumes the chainett*of
Delegate of the Holy Father, who is thereby to
be supposed to be incapable of Making au ill use of
his mission; with the subjects of that GOVQIII-
- he becomes an intrigoer, 4 secret agent,
-teody to j4ive them private intelligence of the,prO-
,re-s of iliac disobedience at which he iS the pro
.toter `amid fosterer. As a Nuncio or his hiOliness,
he affects on eager desire for the coueord.of the
Empire mid the Priesthood as au Archbishop, be

strives to thitst astinder the ohly,toticli which keep
them toge(tter.
What inignt not k,lic kin frow this fo-
reign Prelate, '.l-11o) for7,rtting his (1? ;city and the
ch aracter of nt..l tran.f.irms the represen-',
tatrveof.tbe Ili,;au of the,Coort,l irito an agent of
petty interests, very different from- thosf.t pf the-
nriMacy ort.r and jurisdiction whic!i beitingS ttr
his HOliness, into a Itindletl'of fend,, whidi could
end in nothing Out a civil war ? '1 he imai;iieLition
canhardly..encompiiss the mass of evils to wliieh he
has enposil our afflicted nation by such ;•iit utiliehyd
of step. 'The-letters imply that he had previonS
notice of.the resistuniie Which the Chapter ainl thd
Vicars c.f. Were tr, Inake+ot tie object (it
those dilatory measure which Ilishopc, 100.1' ri!-
sident in this town had agreed to adopt, as '0.,!1 as
of, other steps which Wer.o in contemplittion;teNd-
nig to confirm that resistance, and ci spread it
over the kingdom. The plan being one, th-4 inte-
rest the same, the ineasuies' eyory
.goes, it evidently appears, that the elects of the
co-operation anti support Of the ite‘.•crendNuncio
must have been fatal to the P,cpres'2ltative Body,
and to the Government on which the nation re-
poses its hopes of independence.
The Spanish people are fully aware, that the
decrees of the Courts have no.other scope but the
combined support of :the Catholic Faith, and the
. .
temporal prosperity .of the kingdom. To shake
this lust corvietion, and blast all the hopes which
are grafted on it, was the object' of those letters,
and tuose injunctions Of screcy; with which the
most :Reverend Nuncio) supported the schemes of
the Chapter of Clidiz. This mustrio,ils personage
has, therefore,' been •Niilllting to the rules, of his
(ace, to the consideration due to the National
CongresS, and to the conf'idence with which as Ca-
tholic nation has sheltered him in its bosom—a
nation which, now, more than Cl.'Qr., requires the
most perfect internal union, if she Is to hope for
success in her struggle with tyranny. He has,
besides, done 41 great injury to the Christian re-
ligion, whose interests he pretends to prOmote, by
inducing' the loyal 'and peaceful. Spanialds tti dis-
affection and resistance. Neither is the ofleuce
slight with regard to the Holy Father, whose dis-
approbation of a conduct • so openly at variance
with the Gospel, is ensured by his heroic virtues.
That Man insults' the' religious principles of the
Pope, who can suppose him capable 0:: asserting,
in a foreign kingdom, the pretensions of. his
Court—nay, even its undoubted rights,—hy eft-
COUr114:11:: rebellion amongst the -people. Tha
false step of the most Reverend Nuncio is one of
'the greatest evils which the captivity of the Holy
Father hits produced to our tibias, nation : and
nothing but the special care of Providence could
prevent fatal consequences. But such has
been the 'Loyalty and obedience of the Bishops and
the Chapters of Spain, that they have adopted The
apparently uncivil course of not event answering
the Nuncio's letters.

• Flowerer, this is not enough to appease my
mind. The dame, which has been (.fuencbert sd
luckily, might be raised at another time; and they
Might east) at some opportunity of imposing upon
the loyalty and exalted piety of our it:rtion : and I
‘sholOd be worthy of the trnst which that na'-
tion hlv reposed upon' me, it I did not provide
Agrtimt such I 'should nut wink at
1-11 to Spam ii Bishop, I Will not suffer hi a ii. reign
Prelate, who. so ' requites the hirspitality
hod generosity of the Spoiards. I am ready
to excise the errors of what some people
are willing to call policy.; brit I cannot
dissemble .to • utyielf that any 'degree of conniv-
ancer,in this particular instance would be flighty •
criminal, both from the injustice' of the act and
the ruinous consequences which it might bring
upon the country. • ' •
I bear in phut the unwearied zeal with which
our AlonarchS have defended their o vu authority
against the pretensions of the Court •(),f Rome.;,
Thetnerestispician that briefs mightcontrrin sortie
doctrines or decrees contrary to tho privileges of
the Crown, has been -deemed' sufficient reason to
stop their cirUlation until they are ekainincd and
approved by
,GoVernment. 'Whenever any re, ,
laxation'apirefrred to glide-in on this point, Gci-
vernntent has instantly applied It• Steady hand to
stop its progress. Our history presents very tiwv-
fnl
examples orthis kind, which might have beett
a warning to the Most Reverend Nuncio. A Go-
verninent which his been so jealous of its nnalien-
'able riyhts is now doubly bound to take the most
effectual measures aglinst agent of that same
Court., who, by means of intrigue and underhand
praqices, encleaermrs to promote .and organise
religious and political schism, Which might en 7
anger the security of the State: These reasons
havellitised myloqiee : but, although I conceive
myself fully'atithorised to exercise it on the Most
Rev. Peter Gravinit, by ordering him ontOf Spain,
anil 'seizing his temporalities, 'I have limited my-
self to colwirnathat the foliowing.,Rityal Decree
transtnittetl to him.; and this for the reason*
eXpressed therein
[This- Decree and the Notes annexed to the
Regent's admirable Paiier, we roust defer giving
till to:-morrow. In the Decree the Regent sav;,
that though he should be anthorised to send the
Nuncio out of the kingdom, and seize .his tempo- '
ralities, his d,.sire of evir.eing his- veneration for
the Pope, and his fear of increasing his sorrows,
prevent- from doing more thmieXp.ressing Ids
decided disapprobation of the` Ni;ncires

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S'IUAL eAdLTAMENT

fiOUSE ,Or LORDS

TIZESDAY, NAY 18.

•
in a Corrlinit tee of Privileges, some farther pro-
ceedings obtained respecting the Claims to the
Barony of Stafford. The farther consideration
of which was postponed till this day seinuight.
The Irish Militia 13111 was read a third time and
passed.
The Duke of. Noarot.r:' presented a Petition
signed, • he 'said, by upwards of 5000 inhabitants
of Sheffield, praying that due facilities may be
afforded to Ministers of all denominations of
Christians, to communicate the benefits of Chris-
tian knowledge and moral improvements to the
inhabitants of India, and praying that such per-
sons may not be interrupted in that country, as
long as they conducted themselves in an orderly
and proper manner.
Ordered to lie on the table.
*His Grace subsequently presented two other
Petitions from Parishes- in Gloucestershire, for a
similar object but one of these, signed by a
number of persons, prayed, that iii. the arrange-
ments to he made, a preference might be given
to the Teachers of e the• Estahlished Church. Ile.
took occasion to remark, with reference to their
Lordships future decision, as to the subject and
prayer of such documents, it may be proper that
a general list should be made out, of the plaeeS
from whence Petitions' Were presented, together
With the descriptions of the various persons who
signed them.
Petitions in favour of the diffusion of Christian
Knowledge in India, were also presented by the
Marquis of Lansdowne, Lord John.
After a short conversation between Lord Ellen-
borough, the Earl of Carysf:,' rt, and Lord Reties-
the Dublin Courts of-CiThscience Bill was
rejected by the House.
The Exchequer Bills Bill was read a second •
time,

SINECUAE PLACE Btu.
The Order, upon which their Lordships were
summoned, being read ;
Earl GROSVENOR rose to move the second read-
ing of the above Bill. He prefaced it
,with a re-
commendatory speech of some length..—[olWhich
• as well as of the excellent discussion that follow-
ed, our very restricted limits allow us only to give
a very brief and hasty sketch.]—He was so de-
chled an advocate for the,„, measme, that he
•thought the passing,of it would prove dine of the
principal means of saving the country 1. He regret-
ted that the Hon. Gentleman who introduced it
into the other House, whose abilities, research,
and patriotism he eulogised, MIS not there (aniong
their Lordships) .to join with him in defend-
ing so "excellent a measure, He allowed it did
not. materially differ from the 13111 of last year,
.though it did in some points. What be intreated
.thejr Lordships was to sanction the principle of
,the Bill, of whieh there was but one opinion
throughout the 'country, by giving it R second
reading, and suffering its tletoils to be disciossed
a ,rorriniitteu. , The Mil was founded •on the
Report of the Finance Committee of Tune 1810.
It went to operate a salutary,: mints:Weal, mind
constitutional reform. All the vested interests—the
ofilees about the Royal person—and the Pension
Lists of both England and Ireland, were to be
untouched by it,. and in future, pensions were to
he so regulated by it as to divest them of all their
mwopularity and he .was convinced that the
country in general would feel an almost unequal-
led degree of satisfaction at the passing of such all
°Aet. He therefore moved that the Bill be read a
second time.
The Loan CH AN CELLI) 11 felt it, his duty to op-
pose the Bill, was it only from iris, conviction pf
its utter impracticability with respect to almost
every one of its provisions. Not a Court of JUS.
stice in the Kingdom but What would ite•at it loss
:to understand what the clauses' meant,- He ad-
verted to some differences.hetween the present,
and the Bill of lait year, which, though they J.
tered, did not meliorate, the measure. The Bill,
it practicable, would operate not iii. a salutary or
constitutional way, but the contrary, and most
injuriously. Whet it provided with respect to the
Registers of the Court of Chancery, for instance,
would go in its effect to shut up the doors, Of that
,Court immediately, and fur ever ! Its regulations
would not, as boasted, go to ease the poor Suitors
of that Court,, though it might to ease such men
as the Noble Lord in the way of taxation, as the
feeS were to go to the ConsOlidated Fund, He was
•
not only advei se to' the details 'of 131.1a41 a measure,
but to its prineiple-7-a principle of such a maitre,
as requited ,a much hetter consideration, than
those in framing and sending up such, a
ensure, had proved themselves capable of giy-.
; and deeming direetly.the reverse of the rneit.•
lire frow 'the Noble Lord, he was satisfied he did
,n.it.,bet.ter discharge his duty to the emintiy,„than
:by refusing his assent to it.
The Vail, of Loinvaom.r. pointedly: censured
time IllettSitre, iu altriWit every point of, view, hi
• which it kypeared to him, principle as well.as de-
tail.' in a constitutional point of view, • time
would be the most detrimental that, ever sus
rw,sed. Instead. of economy, it would induce,
eventual profusion,' and it would go to preclude:
the Crown fr'om rewarding merit, by holding mit
remuneration to length of service only. It'
was a um :din with hint, that the great•Oilleers
of the State in this country were under, instead of
o‘crpaid ; and instead of the Parliainentaryinilit-
' enee of the Crown hello, increased, it had greatly
einiiiiished of late years—for instance, iii 1765,.
before time Union of Scotland, it aPPenred theme
were 105 Placemen in the English liottse of Com-
mons, whereas •at present, according to• the re.,
port. of the Committee, 11101 T than once alluded
to, theril were GS only i [left:it th.tt the Govern-
ment a c.=• country sbould he vested with 0
1"!" r"V
"1
Wid 1 4,-; maiAin and
iliere wove many case' 1,1,0
in• other, paldic I""'we c"sc
• warded •• , • true taletpiately re
, , Among of The ha- r‘ir.
Burke and 1447. c• objections wererl;di:
to the pi iat'ipkt oi` the Big.; -the ado ,tion
which, as he dieemed it olio 11_1-
(ilt I tthi:-

Mr. MsitaY,srrliresented .a Petition from eel.»
taro 'Merchants Of London "eigainst the encourage-
merit by Licenses to the trade in lumber and
staves between the United States of America and
our West India. Colonies, ‘vhile the Aniericaas
took nothing from us in return,. This.systein, he
cmiteutied, was iurptilific, and ruinons to our co-
lOnies, or rather to our provinces in North Ain,
rka, which had displayed so Much loyalty in gal-
lantly repelling an invading enemy, as to merit
every benefit and protection which thii country
could bototv. This system was ruinous to trade
generally, but tnore especially to the shipping in-
terest, which regularly employed between 5 and
600 sail in the Quebec trade alone, which were'
now without freight from the encouragement given
to neutrals by licenses. Neutrals, it, had been
:said, as the ports of America could not be block-
aded the whole year, would get possession of this,
trade, and since they must have it, it. was better
they should
,have it under regulations advantage-
ous to us, than tinder no restriction at all. It
the American port's could not be blockaded the
whole of the year, there tats no nutiket fiir that
description of American produce to which be b3d,
allotted, but our West linlia Colonies, for Neutrals
could not carry it, France or ber dependencies, as
they were there regarded as enemies. fly eti..
cournging ibis trade, we subjected our own Attie.:
!lean Provinces to that commerpisti pressnie which
ought to eats solely, directed against. the enemy, - It
luid been said our American Provinces could Lot
supply our 'West Islands with a sutecient
stock of lumber, &c, but this_ he denied, knywing
as he Ind, on the most respectable authority, that
staVes,were at present unsaleable in Canada, Nova
Scotia,' and Prince 'of Wales's Island, as they bad
on hand a stock snilleient to supply our West
dia Colonies for five years-. Politieltly Ottr_ system
was erroneous, as it kept those 'states of America
concerned in this trade from feeling. the pressure
of the war, whit h it was desirable, they should
feel, to Make them disgusted, with it. He had
ever been fin enemy to .the Lieense system, and
in no case had it been ni'ore injuriously extended
than in the present. tie further observed, this
system
robbed the country of a nursery for 80,
,
tisk "amen. The evil consequence of tills ‘vas
seen the lutei action hi.
i%l re eTi ev flit;
.o .Lassa
cur f:
a‘l)Laill the
,11..0te
Constitiaion;
,n
.e.onsisted p4rtlY of 'foreigners, who refused to
.obeir the orders given to repair the ship, whet)
the action was sie:Tended; while the American

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;hilt ut at hotly was eruibleAt to Noe* the engage-
ment. He understood there was On uoard most
of our men of war, a great proportion of foreign
seamen, and this he maintained could be Ascribed
only to the encouragement given to foreign ship-
ping.

'Mr. Rotitcsol4 contended the Honourable Gen-
tleman had not taken a correet view of the sub-
ject. He had objected to granting fitenses for
this trade, on the ground that they contained no
provision that Americans should take our Amer-
, chandise in return. That mode in which a reci-
v•ocity was forced could not be advakageons.---
. This was only necessary when that power with
whom we traded had ‘. imposed a similar condi-
tion. - Such had been the case when licenses were
issued to sanction the intercourse with France.—
Under Other circumstances it would be impolitic
to attempt' to force exports. Previous to the de-
claration of war, a number of American vessels-
had sailed froni this country laden with our ma-
nufactures. The licenses complained of had been-
partly issued to afford the Americans the means
of 'paying for the goods which they had obtained
before-hand. If we could not keep this trade
from falling into the hadds of neutrals, why should
we-not let it go into the hands of our own mer-
chants ?. There was no ;Advantage in depriving
ourselves of any trade, if we could not help that
trade being carried on by neutrals. This could
not be prevented, unless all the ports of America
were blockaded, and in that case a license could
not be acted upon, us it only extended to ports not
brockade.d. Th e duties imposed on foreign tim-
ber, he contended, were a protection Jo our own
timber merchants. .

Sir W. CURTIS SpOke:in favour of the Petition,
which was brought up, read, and ordered to lie
on the table.

Mr. 11. LASCELLRS wished to ask if it was in
contemplation to relieve the country hankers from
the penalties to Which they were exposed, for is-
suing notes -tinier two guineas in value, in a par-
ticular caw, without being new stamped ?
The CHANCELLOR of the Exeltuaunn was Mi-
detstood to say, it had been thought necdssaiy
to submit a proposition to 'the :1-louse upon the
subject, with a view of realoving.this inconve-
nience. . •

The, Irish Insolvent Debtors Bill was read a
second time, and committed for Friday.
Mr. W. FiTznEttALD brought in the Irish Malt
Doty Bill, and the Irish Post Rates Regulation
be But.

'1 hey were ;Severally read a first, and,ordered to
read a second time to-morrow,

LEATHER TAX.

Mr: BENSON went at some length into the dis-
tresses occasioned ,by the Leathetr • Tax.. The
presuure (was particularly felt by the tanners.--
Many had been abligetko quit the business, and
tau-yards and premises lately occupied by tunnel*,
'Were now continually advertised fur sale, and frei-
quently advertised in Vali The carriers, the
leather-dressers, and. sboeninkers were Also much
'Affected by it. noticed the situation of Staf-
fOrdshirej whith had presented scenes of a most
afflicting nature. The wholesale manufacturers
of London, greatly to their credit, had divided
their orders with the manufacturers of Sfifford, to
save their industrious, hottest, loyal journeymen
from stArving with their finnilies. In comment-
,ing on the evidence which had been giVen before
the Committee, he quoted part of that which bad
been obtained from Mr. Roby, who, though he
said he had not been iujitred by the operation of
the tax, described the trade in general asbeing
ground to nothing, and in .such a latitentable
condition 'that something must be done." The
Honottrable Gentleman quoted other parts of the
evidence, and contended the new. dray bad not
been productive, as in the second .quarter its ac-
tual produce fell. 43,006/. short of its estimated
produce. if he might ask the Bight Hon. Gen-
tlemup what proportion of the new duty Govern-
Intuit paid out of its own pocket, that the tax was'
not productive would be still more evident., Ile
prticularly called the attention of the Chancellor
of the Exchepier to the -present, distressed state.
,;f. the trade, and moved for leave to bring in a
Bill to alter so much of the tithl of the Ring as
went to impose a duty on hides and skins.

, Mr. WII OTON &Intended, the distress 'menti-
oned by the liononrahle Gentleman did, not arise
from the Leather Tax, and observed, to remove
it, he ought not to move for leaVe tit bring in a
Bill to repeal the, Act of which he Complained, but
to bring in, one to revive the trade.of the country.
A variety of- circumstances; to which the I-lon.
Gentleman had not alluded,.might cause those of
'which he had spoken. 'The tax pressed but lightly
on the labouring- man,
,though the contrary hail
been often asserted. It was calculated, that it tie-
prived him of the produce of one day's labour in
the year, while it.fell enormously heavy on the
Gentleman, as his shoes, his boots, his coach, his,
harneis, his book-binding, and, in short, almost
evsery:thing-belonging to trim, was affected by this
tax.. The effect of the purchases of Government
'was not such as had been'tkseribed. These, vim-
pared with the produce of the tax, were hut, as'
422,0001. to 341i,0001. its total amount. The at'.
leged falling oil in the produce of this duty was
easily to he accounted for, as the coantity at hides
and skins brought in after his itt. Wm-. Friend had
submitted his proposition to tho Honse, and be-
fore passed, w f
as-.stalicient to account or
.ft much larger,defaltation. Though this duty
was now so lona eaulp4ineil of, the tanners had
withinthese few years- obliged to pay an of "three-halfpence per pound on each 'hide,
ooacceunt of the high price of bark, and they had
felt no alarin at that. That they cheerfully !paid,
but the 'moment three halfpence was laid on by
way of duty, they were all said to` be ruined. He
then commented on various "partiol the evidence,
and piirticall,irly dwelt.on the tahsi rdities and., Con-
tradictions which appeared in, the ststehients of
the witnesses Brnen tind Leartnntith. The ekport
of'lcatlier from Poland was so trifling that it
Could not possibly he in guy degree injurious to
the leatlwr trade. of the country. Eveu it the
Irish tinnier could .attempt a rivalry, he. did not
believe it wOuld.be the policy of England to re-
pre isi t. Ile would to -isk whether the :dutY

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