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extent the disapprobation of the people of Portugal
had been cartiea, and what was the real nature atici
grounds of their disapprobation.

plietion of pti,cJuoney-140 withdracy,katrinoney
troin pritqtte h6ifis,,ind to appropriate it to the Our•
po4es for which rims OriginAly cidsigrred. •
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After a few V.fords';n reply trout Lord But:KING'. Sir A. ills • Imek,nv -wittf=
on Ms
tamsfiras,- his Lordship consented to %vithdra.vy 'his own part fw p'nlitcfthe Aiorts to vhic le -
Motion ; and it was accordingly withdrawn.' • :::tion referred ; but he thought that the opinion of
O'n the second reading of the Bill prohibiting the the: CommisSionera was entitled entitled to. attention, and
ionfroengrain.in-lualand,---...."--.4-------,-.74—ehtirrthtidirtVJs7,nt 'fie .stated:` So; if the
Lord DA s: LEY repeated his oltjeaions JltetVifght ,Hon. Barotien'prissed :his motion, be should
measure, and expressed a hope that no narrow views ' not oppose it, although,lie wished to conforpl_with
of revenue, or regard to, the interests of individualS, the de-Are of the Cotntnissconer,l, assuring-the.. Right
should be allowedsto Check the progrbss of the gene-- Hon.• Baronet, howeTerrlfitit Whether the Reports
ral prosperity of Ire4anl. ,-; • shottld be mad,ptiblielirot,; he. eotild,hpve no ob-
was thew.read:a second time, and the jeaion to 'dim them hini.
otbei Bills on' the table -were forwarded •in their re- Sir.fon:4 Nawroitlg motion was put Ind carried„,
speelive stages. I Iridi Militia Estimates were ordered 'Oa be referred:„
After hearing Counsel.: and examining- witnesses, to the Committee of Supply. •.: :
on-Sir GeOrge firwrave's Divorce Bilis, the House GENERAL. CI,AVERING.' "•• ' • •`
adjournetifill Mot''iday, Mr. C. WYt+Ni lose, in consequence of the MO,'
tiori he had previonsly•given, to cull the' attention pf
the HOuse.to the evidonce of Gen. Clavering ; the,
irnefeiVoli it bad, made oh hik Mind was so strong..
that he thought 'it of snificient importance to merit
a Committee. Of the whole-House, and as such he
kb it his duty -to 'bring it forward. Originally it
%vita his intention not to bring, it forward, till the
grind question had been adecided, for as only three'
days were allowed-for Gentlemen to consider the,
whole of the evidence, and make up their minds
: bethought it,wonlikbe improper to divert their4t-,
tention from the grand object by any• extraneous
matter,,and therefore he had appointed a day,subse-
qUeni to that on which the appointed
Was intended,
to take place. But a retn'oter period .baving...been
fixed for taking into consideration the whole of the-
• evidence collectively, he thonght the:testimony of
G
eneral Claveiing important to deserve
being re-examined immediately. He did not? wish"
the evidence of each witness to be eOu'isidered' ills
.tind from the rest ; such a procedure he thought
would be ineonifisteot with the dignity of the House
but the testimody of Gen,Clavering was so prominent
a feature in' the, late investigation, that it merited
peceliar attention. It was not very unnatural, fur a.
malt :called rehAantly to the Bar to prevaricate,. in,
endeavouring' to' exculpate himself froin, any guilt,
:that might attach itself to his eharaater, from a con-
neetion with the person whom militia lie might be
called to speak to. But when a man came volunta-
rily forward, unsolicited, to speak to- to Is that might
have falleouh&tr liis.cogniiabee, falsehood appeared
more than ordinarily ceesurable. 4. was his imeo-
tion•- principally to speak of the four .or live, last
questions plat. to General Clavering on his first exa-
mination (thong!) he Was far from thinking the other
parts of hi: evidence Unobjealionable), ast he riSfiagei
he alluded to, in his opinion, afforded. striking proofs
of his (General 'Clavering's). having prevaricated.
The Hon. Member then read from the minetes of
the late proceedings the following passages :---
..
" a'. Had you any communication whatever

HOUSE OF COMMONS,

FRIDAY, UARCEI 4.

A Mesiage.from-the Lords sutiimoned their Loi•d•
ships' concurrence Cu the Irish Militia Enlistment

Mr.irktoatmibrJaronhilit in a Bill . for Building
a Bridge over the. Thames, by Vatithall; read a ftrdt
time, and ordered to , be real a Second titna.
Mr. LocKmAaT' obtained leave to bring in. a
Bill, to enable the Trepriefori ot • the-Goldetp-laiie
Brewery, to sue or.he sued. in the Liu= ot
and Parry.
. _
Mr, d'ittiTe obtained' leave of absence to go into
the-country for a month, for the rceoverY 6r4ii
health.
A new Writ was ordered for the' Ileebugh of
Peterborough, in the room of Dr. Lawrence, de..
ceased.
. ,
. Mr. LoCKHART obtained leave, of absen'ee to go
the Circuit. 1-
On the MottOli o( the ATTORN HY-GENERA L, the
House resolved itself into a Committee, to consider
of means for better, regulating the Plymouth Police'.
The .t.ttorney-Pencral stated, that the ptxtliidi situa-
tion of Plymouth Dock rendered it necessary that
spine .measures should be taken to prevent depreda;
tions being comMittedlo the. extent they arti_at pre,
sent. Here ho .minutely 01i:it:titled the situation of
Plymouth Dock,
.which he proved, troth the .claih-I
log districts of the several'Magistrates there resident,'
was such a's. vii ;fende it diriicult to' 'proceed with
against an Offender. He then moved for
leave to brink in a Lili for establishing a Local Po-
lice for more erfe6tually prevcntir.g the depredations
On the stores in hi, 11lajesty's-Dock-yard4. .
„INV. CI) LN strl)o4lY oPP9sect
the House should most attentively, watch the pro-
greskot Bills 01 t hot
..The. ATTUIi t; EY-GE i 11.% agreed with-the,Hott,
Member in thinking Bills of that description shotilll.!
beCaretull\ watched, but proceeded to demonstrate'
tll- -; e 'of 'llO such I bad it,

Bill

the necessity,c4 talOug nwasures as he hay in
contemplation to suggest, in the Bill he proposed to
bring in. This expedient he. *posed did not ori-
ginate with. him., net.' tiny of, his mends; • but an
Roo. Member On the other ;,itlei front living, ou the
.spat, had been convinced of the necessity of such
a measure, and ft oat a s..lggestion of :his, lie (the..AtT,
,torne)y-General)ito bto tlLy,ll. it 101',.yarti.
-Vier -i`" few- I,'"vords trolit'a Ale:111)2r, leave was
granted to bring iii the Bill.
A Member gave not lce,. that op Monday next he
would wore that eertinttocinnents in the possessio4
of the Secretary of State, relating to the improve-
ments at the Harbour of Holyhead, be 'laid before
the ifonse. • .
Leai.tu was given to bring in a Bill to render cant-,
,modifies imPorted from the 1 ,:and of llerilluda,
ject to the duties imposed Qlt lifOttUCt: Oi the.
other West India Islands. •: • -
hose Moved,- that of x Monday the house do .
resolve, itself into a Calllttliiiett; ID reglitate the COlll-
- between this Country. and the Gape of Good.
Sir. S. Rawl t.t.T. brought' in birßill for altering and
amending the Bankr,upt Laws, which was read a
first titllll. '
!DIU Indemnity Bill was ordered to be referred to
a Cuannittce 011 Tuesday neXt. • • •
PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
Sir Jour I\ll:l.vrewr moved, pursuant to notice,
that the several Reports of ihe!Commissioners ap,
pointed by the Ad of the 4611k.0f the King, to in-
quire into the state and condtiCt of the several Public
Schools in Ireland, should he lai.l,before the House.
By that Aa, the Right Ron. Baronet Observed, Elie
ConunisSioners were directed haul time, 'tO tipte, or
as they might be required by the Lord Lieutenant,
to report the -result of their proceedings to his Er,- "
cellency, and such Reports a) heel been:rncido,.;; was
his wish to have laid.before the FfoU4e, in order to
found some measure upon them, calculated to re- ,I
move the abUses to which he Under Stood they re-
.
ferred.

At
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'Sir A. WELLEst,tY Stated, that in .a conversation second battalions were to be raised, and that she
which be bad had with some Of the Commissioners had better tell iqm'so."----He then alluded to a letter
alluded to, it was their express'*iith tbat the RepOris from Genend Claveriog, in which he,begs that" site
already delivered in should not be.matte public until Would send word ..to the Prince of \Vales. Coffee:
tbev should inquire..finrther„.tattiii the whohlof iht house,- it she 'could- receive hlm in boots iti t eVert.
finbje6t should be investigated and some adequate re- letter this passage caught his at-
medy suggested. He did not know that this was It icotion Should an opportunity ,occur, do sub..
Varldimentary ground for resisting the I Iqn, , Raw. trait the, plan L') hisßoyal,Highttess, withoo.arguing
net's motion, liar was he :want that the 1-koti,.Baro+ ton strongly upon tl,,as ho triw4 be tired to death
net had stated any-Parliamentary ground for support., with proposals, awl as I would not appear, even
ing it. As to the abuses which gave rise,trithis Coen- .through so circuituits a chaiinel, to trespasS on his
mission it was true that great abuses did appear from patiente, when so.rocently, wider an 6blig 'thin for,
the first and second Reports of the 0011)mi:situ) ; but 'my present appointtnent,"7-04 the I2th Ot,Decem-
yet the third Reptirt proved,
that
the tiy,itein o ton bet be writes, ",that he understands sotne,titw
which the etiorter-Schnols ;VAS C(llltitiaed, had &lents were about to be raised, and wished Mrs.
undergone Considerable imprOtentent..• • "*4" Clarke to ascertain it he was rightly informed ;et—
Sir J..NF.WeOttrr saw no teces,ity to state any these circumstances furnished, strong geontals for
Parliamentary. ground for his rnotion:, tb,3o thinking that General chive-ring hid sWerved fram
which th... Lulus qt the Act itself turnished. ..It an. the truth. The asset lion' that he could not meal—,
pealed troin the Report i.f the torintr6.nninission, I let the partici:liars of a conversation-rhat'itatged a
that the f.t.incls desigitt:d for, thu Schoo.ls of Royal few yqrs ago, on the suhjth hts vurk:hasiog a re-
foundation were most scandalously mi.sa.ppropriated gitnent, for which he 'mid '1000,1;.116 eogjd hug think;
to private purposes, and A similar inisalivropriA ion true could a conversation of that.fiature,bg so way
was diseovel able in the. second Report respeaing the, I if,rgor; war; it so trivial,a'conCeriV:thar-he Could not
institution of Alderman Preston. He was aware . retitin.it in .his memory ? It Geritletno'n could lay'
of the improved condition and condua of . the 'their bands on t,heir hearts-'and say, thy were of
Piro'totant'
,Charter §cilueis,, as the 'hit& Report opinion. be could forget such a fransattion, or that
discussed, and with regard to which the repreichia, could misunderstand the questions tnit'to.hitrii he
tioti of- 11,1r:':•HoWard was so tufftvourable -; hut still could not concur with theist in. opinion. The
that as 4reasou wity4;ther ttbi-novettient might •
.Gentietnan,ltere dilated on the high degree of culpa
v.Tior.:be'lnatlem—or .at aT"?...gventv. that the RePotts t..bility which 4ftttiebed,.itSelf to a,man iii ceneril
Cla
might not be laid before thy House/ which exposed vk:ring's station ; who ought to have been impressed'
nothing but gross abuse, and that measures might t. with ideas.Of honour suitable to his rank, and not
nut be promptly taxa to put an end to the misap. come voluntarily forward and utter falsehOods in

their presence.. Were the Rouse not in thiiinstsnie
to exert the power they possess, to punish th.!
dividual, their reputation for impartiality Would

suffer, and what w- as ptill more, irripjaiant, tilei con-
aua. would lay a foundation for false evidence., No
'witness who might in ibture appear at the Bar, wotild
be• greful:tn adlwre to the truth—if such. a ittgrattt
instance of prevarication was sutfeKed to pass, tp-
punished. When General dlaverieg lead expressed -
.a wish to correct tlo evidence he had given on his'
firit examination; lie. (Mr. Wynne) was for permit.
-Ong hickto do so. Had he not been allowed Oa!
I.privilege, whatever contradidions might have `alp
pearei in his evidence/be shoUld not have thought
that; he had wilfully i*evaricated. But when he
did come forward professedly, to explain and correct
his first testimony, but in reality ta bei hten its am-
biguity by asserting that he had MiSUP de tOod, what
the must have 'comprehended, that he .had forgot
what he could not but remember, be could no longer
think favourably of the inconsistencies .witich marked
ri
his et:satninations. • - S
Sit Al. IttpLov: admitted the •-•.idenee certainly
~Pppeared cotiiiciditioty, but could not imagine Go-
neral 'CliVering could so far forget. his high rank, re-
; putation, and conlialions, as'to come forward and
tell a deliberate .untruth. • Some allowances should;
be tnaclaiiitthe einteirrasstnent of a man' educated 'as)
he had been (having ervect in the army !lam tlie
age of fdurteen), im appearing '3l tiieiriaar to con.;
front all the of the HOuse: The twitiv;..s,
which impelled him to come forward to corruct did
evidence given on, liisifirst 'exainination, • appeared.
,t
lititn.„those .4.if,a illat)• awake t.. 0 t l,e oicett gi
cjf
honour. He (Sir Mathew) had advised.him to let
rest, but the General answered—" his (sir Ma'
Ole,W,'SradVio might be, good,.,bnt his own idea of
honour, his feelings as a Gentleman, would not gulf'
fey' «itu to be at ease, till he had avoWed and cure
reeled his mistake.", • •
The CHANCULLOR of the EXCIIZQUER had mum,
fr,,rn the notice given. by the Honourable
Gentleman, that he did not intend pressiegthus in-
quiry on the House, till the case with wino it was!
coene6leil should be decided, he had theret6re hoped'
that when that discussion was put off to a distatir
day, this ittquiry.would have. rode over, so as still'
to have. teen tiud subsequent to the grand debates'
Fie appealed to the. Honotirable Gentleman it it
would not be consistenrwith.the eeds of justice to
postpone any proceedings of this nature for the pre* ,
sent, Though I)onoian had as yet escaped unpti%-*
dished, it did not follow that lie would wit be visit '
eel by the re.,ittuent of the [louse. He. wished it
.to be underatootl, .tluit in his opinion this WAS 1101
.proper time to make sue!, an inviry. lii was 11OL
prepared to say, ',o.,ns.ilea side of the. question the 3,.
evidence of General Clavering preponderated ; to,:
him it appeared. to bear partly on the One aide ""9.:
p truly- on the other. lle would not make a ruotiee::
to postpone it, but he put it to the Hon. Gentleman,,,
whether, considering all the circa' lances. it might

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on the.. sitb,je. .of army promotion with , Mrs.. ► - '' g ti., _,..‘anis,
not be best to withdraw it for the present, gi!dulL
Clailte?;-.-A. I neVer proposed any .convertiation of
ontieefor next Thursday or Ft;iclay.., Hat) die,,s'e, itli
that kind, nor .tio' j recollett any having ever ex-
Hon.' Friend near hini'_(l he Attorney (..;,-11/. L-thaa'•
fisted; excepting iii. the period. I before alluded* to,
wlten she requested A would recommend to the. furnish him with no Precg6nt where '' Pers°ll -'
Doke of York Lieutenant- Sutunerrof the -eoth ite- been indifted tor: prevaricating before that. I.llll'l/ ,
Portad be one could be geierked in a, couit
giment. ' , - . . • .-,I • . t , 1,/„„,
has of Justiee, lid was therefore .or epinion, tile "..._,-,,6
0.. I understaud you then to *say, you • .
should punish, condua, like • that attributed. fft .1-iy"
neveriii 4`nny -link any, communication or ronversa-
rieral.Chtvering, to the uttubst exrencof their poWer; '
lion whatever With Mrs. Chula: on the sot or- -
But could not the punishment
.ineritriLi be illbictea
;surly promotions, c-xcept in the case of Lieutenant .
as well after the case had been brought to awisshe ?
Sumner ?—A. Certainly nol, as beim* the subjed of
. - • - He did not wish to throw a shield Over (ion. ClaYer.'
conversritinn, : : .
Q. Had you Any incidental conversation with ing, ht.t over the whole mass of evtdence fer.tho
present. Why slcsiuld one be so particutarly 'elett-
Mrs. Clarke on that subject ?—A. A period of so
ed from the rest at this crisis ? fie vas aware II";
many years has elapieksinee that time, it is itn7
xie and;
possible to spellt positively and accurately to a (pies.
_p.in,,,,6soisnair a iplIS:. 431117.'36 tiltnrn„!,4 lilt itl ::a., tlipeeper.
uiig I I)
(10
I el
1 x,r, %.v.i,t)..50.:
lio.l so close as. t hat,.but to the best of my belief, i '
01.
do not think' I had'. . , prevarications had been greater, were stadreJ
'mow
. the time tors*. unmolested; hut, he did nut -
it to be sot the present case. I-le felt a di4indltia‘ •
a bo you, of yohr own knowledge, know that
Mrs. Cl irke used Jre influence, in favour Many per it
al 'the artny,.'with the commander ittien lo enter on the subjed: tat )present.; 'be '439 "t
Chief ?....-...A. Ido not. • . • . prepared .for the discussion, and hopuzl the Hon'
," a. Do you, of sour own knowledge, know of Gentleman' would not persevere. . ..
any persOp that ii,l:ect her 'to .use ker , influence with 'Mr. WiLatilifOßCE felt COnvinced,' that his. }101)
Commthe m ander. 11, Lliief oe that subject i,r-r-A. I am i Friend was nthnted by the saint, motives as he was.
not itequainiedl'eith tiny person that. ever did , I have- in wishing to 'preserve the.grand.subjeel free front
lieird reports of that 'nature,: bot I cannot bring to rall extraneous, matter, anxious that each question
my recalleolion any person positiVely. should stand on its own basis. This 'si'di not to be a
"0. Then you state pOoitively Abet, yu'il do not matter of compromise; :it should not be " you spare
know of any tramattien,of that-nature ?--.A. None; one and t will not proceed against the other.' But,
~
to !11/ certain knowledge. . : ' • : . .if he stood 'in General :Clavering's situation, he
" Q. Give a direc.t. and positive answer to that would wish his evidence to be analyzed, independent '
qlestion.—A: 1 -du not -know. of any transaction of of Every thing else .(if he was innocent) ; he would •
th:it nature.'' - t not, wish to be acqUit ted because others were, hut '
No questions, he could conceive, could, be more , because he appeared to merit an acquittal, Shoitil '
pointed. Ile eserts lie knows of no transaaions of* the inquiry be Made after Wednesday,- might it not
that 'nature, yet his letters contain no less than three ; :.be supposed, that he-
-had been spared by one party ,
applications, though he will not admit he had lied (political partieS were out at the tinestion)„ and. plO
any part.icular 'Omers:Alen with Mrs:
.Claikei" on seeded against 'by the Other. fire was, :therefore, or
the subjed.. In. a letter from the Duke ,of .York, opinion, they ought to make ihe inquiry now, when
dated.Angust 24 (to Mrs. Clnke), his Royal High- 1' they could enter into the whole of. the 'circburstance,ii
ness says-4". Thiii„Plavering 'Willi, Mistaken., as no 1 relative to Gen. Chtvering's evider ,T

once.

/1t .
The CHANCIiLLOR Ot the? EXeliimUEß 334 gr!
I WILI:KRFORCE mutually explained.
Mr. MONTAGUS did not think it consistent
,'compare the case cif Sanden to.that of o
,11:vacral Oa"
vering, they differed materially lit his opill'ut)'—„' •
There were points in Ciaverities.evidence, ir",`!" •
which, it should seem his lestimotty wei'lt to
(Lite that.of anotherso, tienerai Ci.tvering •
have taken care to have entcred ,w 111) cl""
himself. .
, at .1
Mr. W EAD
HITBR was extremely desirous
there shoild be no longer itchy 'in aduril!! 14. "
original 111011611 of his Lion. Vrieni. It did not st,'"`
to him proper, by any Means, AU it hdia‘v the 007
••aideration of such a subject. A Right Hoti.G6liti
e.
matt opposite had stated, that Cappiin Sanden's
lirts-
vat ication came out in the course of one tught's..tx•
mutilation ; and • it appeared that General clavaiPg
.iiad-m4 prevaricated before the second. Tile Hen'
'Aletnber,obserred, that the operation of tins ca,e .0q
"reSislible• Sander's preyatication:made an tost.lo
laneous impression 'on the klakise,,. and was word
easily guarded against; Whereas that 'Of (..401e1.4
Clavering was the more rinigetnns, ..as to case the
been `letters`lettersfrom Hampstead had destroyed,_ it would
be impossible to detect it. In ail probandity ,
on the pending qu,stion: The Bon. tilt tuber wawa
op; wy del.tre it as his opinion, that such was di*