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protective forces in Africa, in China, and in America. The
Hon. Gentleman concluded by expressing his intention to sup-
port the motion.
Captain PECHELL supported the motion.
After
o a few words from Major BE AUCLERK,
Lord D. STUART said that several grounds had been
stated
for the increase of our naval force, yet he believed that
the real ground had not been stated by those from whom that
Proposition proceeded. What had been stated by the Noble
secretary for the Home Department—namely, that this in-
ase was called for by the necessity of protecting our corn-
Itterce, he did not believe to be the true reason, but he be_
neved that our p olitical relations in Europe at present loudly
called for it. The true reason for this proposed increase,
• .
though it had not been directly stated, had nevertheless been
vaguely hinted at, but it would have been more creditable
thathe Government to speak out. The cause alleged was this—
this force was necessary to protect our commerce from
au7 violent interference. Now, with respect to Russia, that
cours:try had established a blockade upon the coast of Cir-
a against the commerce of all other nations, without
erringth the usual courtesy of communicating the fact of
! blockade to any other nation in Europe. He was sorry
that he did not see the Noble Secretary for Foreign Affairs
tae's Place (Lord Palmerston suddenly became visible on
treasury bench.) He (Lor dD. Stuart) was happy to
perceive that the Noble Lord was not far off, for he was talk-
ing of the blockade established by Russia upon the coast of
tolrCassia._( Great laughter.) They had even gone so far as
seize a British ship sailing under British colours. He
7as glad that this debate had occurred, because it would go
forth to the world that this Government felt a proper jealousy
f the increasing power of Russia. The Noble Lord pro-
ceeded to what had lately taken place at Cracow, into which
place foreign troops had entered, contrary to the stipulations
tr the treaty to which this country was a party, and which
creatYMeow guaran
rs teed the perfect independence and neutralinsit of
,
ne considered this violation of that treaty an y ult
to this country. It was reported that the Powers who had per-
petrated this iniquitous violation of the neutrality of Cracow
intended to avail themselves of the presence of a foreign force
fors, the purpose of removing from Cracow those unfortunate refugees who had taken refuge there. It was said that
It was the intention of Russia to turn out those refugees, and
',end them across to. America, there to starve or provide for
themselves as best they could. The Prussian Government had
already sent many of these unfortunate Poles to America, and
whose fate was literally to die of hunger. The result would
ta,O,w be similar, if this Government did not interpose to prevent
the Policy outrage. He had heard a great deal said about
h e Policy of preventing the traffic in black slaves, but was
not as much their duty to prevent the traffic in white slaves?
The blacks were torn from their country; and carried across
the Atlantic ; precisely similar was the case of the Poles. He
, ught it was the duty of the British Government to inter-
roses and seize the ships in which these Poles were conveyed
awaylf they did not decidedly interfere, it would afford
another instance of the pusillanimity of this Government with
tespect to Russia of which he so mmch complained. After
some
further observations on this topic, the Noble Lord con-
cluded by expressing his intention, should the subject be
taken up in no other quarter, on an early day to bring the
~lect of the violation of the treaty that had taken place
with respect to Cracow under the consideration of the House.
tuA,lr. ROEBUCK said that last year our relations with
°Pe were precisely in the same situation as at present.
"et, during last year, a reduction of our naval force had
taken place. No person could say that the designs of Russia
were not as well understood then as they were now. He had
!Iro hesitation to express his belief that Russia was closing on
stun ti
Turkey with the immediate view of taking possession of Con-
to interfere, unless where the interests of the commerce of this
country called for interference. He did not think that suffi-
cient grounds had been stated to justify this increase.
The CHAIRMAN put the question, and the vote was
agreed to without a division.
On the motion that a sum, not exceeding 1,069,122 L, be
granted for the payment of the wages to seamen and marines,
11018dijrn J. GRAHAM urged upon the House the advantage of
-g out inducements to seafaring men to voluntarily enter
the naval n service. He strongly urged the advantage of hold-
as bout the most inciting inducements to good conduct by dis-
tinguishing those who had so conducted themselves. At pre-
tient the petty officer was not subject to corporal punishment.
lie Was punished, in the first instance, by being" disrated.
e considered that it would be most beneficial to raise the
vditY. of the petty officers. It would hold out to them an ad-
-I°llal inducement to meritorious conduct. The increase of
the PaY of the petty officers could not cost the country more
s:au about 10,0001., or at the utmost 12,0001. a-year, and it
ti"ja? his decided, opinion that such a sum could not be more ju-
'eusly or advantageously expended. It was the petty officers
wheo
c, were foremost on all services of danger.
'it B. CODRINGTON concurred with the Right Hon.
Baronetof the
in thinking that it was desirable to increase the pay
a. the petty officers. He did not agree in some other of the
Observations of the Right Hon. Gentleman, who it would be
reset
had brought in a Bill, under the provisions of
tttilieb the kirst Lord of Admiralty became entitled to a retir-
ig Pension of 2,0001. He did not see the necessity, of that
rate,,.Bl°o, as there could be no difficulty in obtaining First Lords
o,`9e Admiralty.
thi'? J. GRAHAM was glad that an opportunity was affor-
ded him of offering an explanation on the subject. There had
eluted a regulation under which Cabinet Ministers, on retiring
office, were entitled to a pension of 3,0001. per annum.
a is proposition had been that this sum should be reduced from
se:)(10/. to 2,000/. per annum. It was (as we understood the
"'tat Hon. Baronet, who was very imperfectly heard) a re-
gulation that only six Cabinet Ministers should be in the re-
teiPt of this pension at the same time At the period when
v: ( Sir James Graham) retired from office there was but one
Ileca4tneY, which he declined accepting. He understood and
ensuld not mention it as in any way discreditable, that his sue-
affisc°_r (Lord Auckland) before he consented to undertake the
aaa_c of First Lord of the Admiralty, had stipulated that, in
en,7 of retirement from office he (Lord Auckland) should be
utled to the vacantpension of 2 0001 a year.
After an observation from Sir E. CODRINGTON,
mr.
HUME expressed the strongest surprise that Lord
thAuckland should have demanded such a pledge, or that even,
oughol, he had.demanded it, such a pledge should have been
in eeti t° him. He considered it a most disgraceful proceed-
sti';' He proceeded to contend that rank and promotion in
tlecatavY had hitherto been absorbed by the sons and con-
eshol2llB of the Aristocracy, to the prejudice of those officers
thei,,uad, not such advantagtes, and whose merit constituted
to "1Y recommendation. No pecuniary reward would tend
sya Promote the assiduity of those engaged in the service. It
ealaytealn to suppose that an increase of 12,0001. would be cal-
the to produce this effect, and it would be in vain to deny
withPrornotions which took place in the navy were not rather
rest ,view to the advantage of the aristocracy than the int -
of the service.
See
of of the EXCHEQUER, in the ab-
ym es' his Noble Friend the First Lord of the Admiralty,
the lundertake to defend him. It had been insinuated by
the / a 'gat Hon. Baronet opposite (Sir J. Graham) that in
kn." Plsointment of Lord Auckland to the situation which lie
Lord.alled there was something disgraceful to that Noble
trans He denied that there was anything disgraceful in any
to that ation connected with that appointment, and as a friend
Wards Nobleman—the only relation in which he stood to-
star, him—he was prepared to defend all the circum-
aafoeres connected with that appointment. The Noble Lord
zn otre his appointment to his present situation possessed
he 6dee in Greenwich Hospital; and, in addition to this,
for a pension also. Both the office and the pension were
eel y • life. There was no bargain in the matter ; for it was
fair that Lord Aukland, in resigning both his situation
qualia' pension to accept an office for which he was eminently
.11iniged• should take care not to be a sufferer.—( Cheers from
tarnslters.) It was not just on the part of the Right Hon.
same to to afflx a stigma on the Noble Lord without at the
the „bs_Ole explaining all the circumstances. With regard to
regard..T rations made by the Hon. Member for Middleseas
sseu a distinction said to be made between the middle
quer s_and the aristocracy, he (the Chancellor of the Exche-
%ernlils
_aeuhl say on his own part, and on the part of the Go-
eountr7t, that they recognised no line of distinction. In this
rose ' "nd especially in the naval service, the two classes
with 1,). together. The humbler classes had an equal right
rit all others to rise in the service in proportion to their me-
ehe'era,nd, it W&S well known that they did so rise.—(Ministerial
Wavy ,v,') The only question with regard to promotion in the
found .", whether men were deserving of it, and if they were
were ,t° be so they were promoted accordingly. The people
the it?Qund up in one party, without any regard to rank, and
rlYdistinction made was that founded upon merit.—
(Sit. Ministerial cheers.)
B°4ll GRAHAM said that an attack had been made per-
atsackYstlP°ll him by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Such
der ' nowever, were not new to him. He had before to un-
Linptbastlrders of a different nature. It had been stated of
forward , F had been actuated by corrupt motives in bringing
sister his is measure with regard to pensions to Cabinet Mi-
oecasin hen he had held office, and that he had acted on that
-11 with sinister and personal views. The report had.
(Ine down .
fustice to to his own constituents, and he was compelled, in
free 1,;.._° his own character, to wipe away the charge, and
that `i'2'uself from the stigma. He stated to his constituents
actuittue_passing the pension list 'te Ministers, he could not be
Sion whnintY any unworthy motive, for ho had ;educed the pen-
(ehe__ snould accrue to himself by 1,000/. per annum.—
land2ilres trroc,m. the Opposition.) With regard to Lord Auck-
not Sir J. Graham) admitted that the Noble Lord was
• still h a position to relinquish his situation and pension, but
that
hie must repeat the assertion, that lie before made, namely,
Lord st• quishing the place and the pension, the Noble
lianttoP_ruy ated in the event of a change of Ministry for Iv Par-
pension of 2,000/. a year,
uHANCELLOR of the 'EXCHEQUER denied
that there
hes kr, was any such stipulation. The Right Hon. Bare-
nesttLed that the Noble Lord accepted office on the con-
siderag
pension. that a place in the civil list was more valuable than a
Sir J. .-.
a.uRAIIAM—I did not say so.
"
ro.. siuue -;IIANCELLOR of the ECHEQUER—No; but
.ggested it. The hint was thrown out for the purpose
o..fraising an
the fives argument and inducing an inference injurious to
ord es of Lord Auckland.
AuLeiti HO WICK s *(1-that the • •
insinuation vsainst Lord
had sanfdt,d vsft!-5 not so much in what the Right HO'n. Baronet made by in._ the manner of his saying it. The arrangement
%the Rirt.'d Auckland was one which the Act introduced
Londe s. Hon. Baronet himself was intended to sanction.
sauckland had a place under Government, which he
Govern, thought Consider himself as holding during his life. His Majesty's
ounsitecee,:bniedhit „ t fit to call that Nobleman to fill a higher
to accept the
was proposed to him by Earl Grey
canal ,he now held. Lard Auckland did not refuse to
Stan rich the proposal; but he said under any circum-
Change of ~.w?udd be impossible for him to comply, for if a
manistry should take place, he should, by accepting