The Sun.
London, England, 1838-02-28 00:00:00

LLOYD'S HIPPING.-(THIS DAY,

Deat, PEE. E.S.E., moderate, and hazy.—Arrived, and
remains, the Grant, Sayers, from Demerara. Came down from the
River, and proceeded, the Vernon, Davies, for Demerara; the Cleo-
patra, Rathwell, for Demerara.
PowraMouTv, Fen. 27.—Wind E., fine.—Arrived, the Saucy Jack,
Farrant, from Syria. Sailed, the St. James, Stbor, from New York ;
the African, Free, from the West Coast of Africa. Passed by, the Indus,
M
`Faroluat of harbour ne, from London
t. Spithsad. fo
for Bombay. Her Majesty's ship Brisk is
gone

RAMCGATE, Fas. 27.—Arrived, the Aristella, Melliseu, Mexico.
Dora; Fee. 27. Arrived, the Reliance, Beynon, from Berbier.
CORK, FEB. 2i.—Arrived the Juno steamer, from London.
YOUGRAL, Fan. 25.—Arrived off port th• Caledonia, Conn, from
New Orleans.

Livaapoot, Fez. 27.—Wind E., fresh, and heavy fall of snow.
Arrived the Columbus, De Peyster, from New York. Arrived off port
the Echo, from New Orleans; and Isabella, or Isabel (barque.)
CORK, FHB. 23.—The cargo of the Alert being capsized in the hold,
is about to be discharged for restowage.
OFr 9441-MRS—The Clarence, Hayden, from Trieste.

Daoonsioa, Faa. 24.—1 t has been blowing a gale from the East for
the last twenty-four hours. A schooner, laden with salt and iron, from
Liverpool to Dundalk, is on shore near Balbriggon, crew saved.
DovEit, FEB. 27.—The Britannia, of Liverpool, was passed on the
10th inst., in lat. 45, long. 26, apparently abandoned, but could not
be boarded, the sea running so high, by the West Indian, Boon. arrived
at this port.

Accounts were received at New York, Feb. 1, of a severe sale hav-
ing been experienced on the coast of California, in which several vessels
were lost or much damaged.
The Frances, of Perth, late Graham, was wrecked near Sunderland
on the *2sth inst.—master and two boys drowned.
Charles and Henry, Macgregor, from Llanelly, put into Plymouth
leaky, having struck on some rocks, bound to London.
The Britannia, frem Halifax to England, has been abandoned at sea.
The James and Theresa, Dixon, and Blossom, Captain Burn, are on
shore near Blyth.

THE FUNDS.—CLOSINU PRICES.
BRITISH FUNDS.
Bank Stock .. 207 Omnium -
..
Cent. Red 9314 India Stock
Sper 92% Ditto Bonds ......
per Cent. Cons —
South Sea Stock
33 per Cent.
per Cent. Red. 1011% Ditto Old Annuities
ew 3% per Cent. 100% Ditto New Annuitiez —
4 per Cent. Assented
Dissented .....
Long Annuities to expire Ditto 5001 CO pm
jaa. 1860 l5 5-16 Bank Stock for Opg.
0ct.1850 l5 1-13 India Stock for Act.
Jan. 1660......... ......... 11 15-16 Consols for Feb. ..... ...........
FOREIGN FUNDS.
Austrian, 5 per cent — 'Portuguese Bonds, 5 per cent.
Belgian, 5 per cent 10314 Ditto, New Ditto 27%
Brazilian Bonds
Buen©s Ayres, 6 per cent Russian Bonds, 5 per cent ....
Chilian, 6 per cent ; Ditto, Metallic ...
Colombian, 6 per cent. 26N Spanish, 5 per cent 1934
I)itto, 11521
Danish, 3 per cent — i French, 5 pct cent ...
Greek Bonds, h!.25,5 per cent — Exehang,
Mexican, 5 per cent. French, 3 per cent We. 50
Ditto, 6 per cent., 1825 ....... 29 Dutch, 2S per cent 5341
Feruv.au. 182.5,6 per cent, ... 2014 1 Ditto, 5 per cent ....... 103%
SHARES.
Birmingham and Derby Railway 1914
Birmingham and Gloucester Railway
Bristol and Exeter Railway
Eastern Counties Railway 2%
Great Western Railway
Hull and Selby - . 8
London and Brighton Railway lg
London and Southampton Railway 42
Man^hester and Birmingham Railway
Northern and Eastern Railway . 64
No other Tariations in the Prices of Shares since our One &elm k
List.

In the Scotsman we see that Mr. Mackenzie, the
Member for Peebles-shire, has for some time past been con-
fined with an attack of small-pox,

THE COAL TRADE.

The Committee met on Monday at the usual hour, Mr. LA-

BOUCIIFRE in the Chair.

Mr. Beale, shipping clerk to the coal-meters office examined
—The coal-meters office is under the direction of eighteen
gentlemen, nine of whom are coal factors, and nine of them
coal buyers. They arc elected annually by their respective
trades, and they provide all parties applying with meters and
weighers, and also with scales and weights, all of which are
properly stamped. They have no other duties to perform.
The coals are weighed by 2 cwts. at a time, eight
weights to the ton. I don't think it would be advantageous to
increase the quantity weighed at a time. The meter's office
is in no way connected with the corporation of London. They
charge 3d. per ton, which pays the meters and covers all the
expenses of the establishment. They always keep up about
150 to 160 effective men. The original number in 1832, was
130 men, but it has since then been twice increased. We

make no distinction between ships complying with the factor's
regulations, and those who do not. We arc bound to supply
all ships sold, on application. On some occasions from a great
influx of ships there has been a delay of a day or two
in supplying meters, but that is very seldom. I don't
think it would be judicious to increase the number of
meters as the demand would not be sufficient to give them
sufficient employment. We supply meters as low down the
river as Gravesend, without any additional charge. A great num-
ber of ships deliver by meters totally unconnected with the Coal
Meters' Office. Any refusal to supply a meter must have
arisen from the application having been out of hours. The
meters work from seven in the morning till five in the even-
ing, and in the summer time from sunrise to sunset, if required.
When the trade was open in 1824 we have had as many as
200 ships waiting for meters. During the last year we drafted
off twenty-five meters at 255. per week for ten weeks, having
no employment for them. It does not require much expe-
rience to make a man set as a coal meter. We could not
appoint a number for a short period during the busy season,
and have only a reduced establishment for the remainder of the
year. They must be employed or paid by the year. The
meters are only paid now when they work.
By Mr. Ilema—No vessels can apply for a meter unless
they are sold. There might have been vessels in the river un-
sold when these twenty five meters were pensioned off. Two
hundred meters can be employed at a time, if only forty or fifty
vessels are allowed to be sold at a time.
By Mr. BILL—We must have a certificate of character
from five factors or buyers before we employ a meter. Their
pay is 2d. per ton.
By Sir JAMES DUKE.--I think there is not so much delay
now in supplying vessels with meters as under the old system.
By the CHAIRMAN.—We have no exclusive privileges, and
any party may establish a meter's office. We make no dis-
tinction between those who comply with the factor's regula-
tions and those who do not. The Duke of Devonshire is now
importing coals, and they are not sold through a factor, yet
his vessels experience no difficulty in obtaining meters as fast
as they require them.
Charles Green examined.— I am a coal-merchant, and am a
member of the Coal-meters Committee. I have seen the evi-

deuce of. Mr. Bentley before the Coal Committee in 1336
There have not been any alterations in tho disposal of the
funds since then. No reduction in the charge of 3d. per ton
for meters can at present be made, although in the course of
the present year it is likely 1-d. per ton can be taken off. The
surplus is now about 19,0001., and it is invested in Exchequer
bills. The Committee meets every month, aed each member
receives 20s. for his attendance at each Committee. He is
fined for non-attendance. There is no compulsion to take a
meter from the Coal-meters' Office. The application is made
only when the buyer and seller consent to it. Officially we
know nothing of the factor's regulations.
Mr. Barney, Secretary to the Deptford Pier Company, ex-
amined. We complain of the inconvenience and injury sus-
tained by us in consequence of the factors' regulations. Oae or
two captains, who were ashore on our pier, after several applica-
tions in London, got permission to unload. If they are in
distress or see danger they protest, and then obtain permission
to unload. The Captains complain very much of the regula-
tions. [Witness mentioned the names of two vessels which
were in a very dangerous and sinking state during the late
severe weather, but they would not bo allowed to unload.] I
believe the result of the regulations is to raise the price of
coals very much in the neighbourhood of Deptford and Green-
wich. I had eleven vessels on the pier at ones. If depots
were formed on either side of the river, so that vessels might
discharge their cargoes as fast as they arrived, it would be of
great public advantage.
By Mr. litnen-1 would myself form a depot for 1,000 or
2,000 tons at a time, if allowed.
What prevents you doing that now ?—They go up the river
an are there obliged to wait for their turn. I do not know
of any legal impediment but the regulations. A vessel will
deliver coals at Deptford, but she must wait for her turn. If
a general sale was allowed, and the market thrown open, it
would materially benefit the public and lower the price of
coals. I hear complaints on every side of the regulations.
By Mr. BELL—There is a Turn Act in the Tyne, and that
is what occasions all the inconvenience.
By Mr. Husis—l mean the Turn Act in the Thames is the
cause of the inconvenience. I think the present system
causes the exorbitantly high prices now charged for coals. I
know nothing of the cost of production, or the amount of
capital laid out in the purchase of collieries ; but I think if all
were allowed to sell as they came into the river, it would very
much reduce the price. The rise in price of coals delivered
to the consumer at Deptford was from 265. to 355. and 38s. ;
and at that time there was a vast number of ships in the river.
The number in the river did net tend to keep down the price,
as they were not allowed to unload.
By Mr. BELL—The effect of the present system has been
not to keep the price uniform and equal, but to keep it high.
Coals might have been equally high during the free trade
system, but all persons appear anxious to be allowed to sell.
I cannot suggest any specifics enactment, but I should say, if
the trade was thrown open it would reduce the price. I
don't know the amount of supply per annum for the London
market, or the number of vessels employed, but I should say,
if competition was allowed it would enable persons to buy and
sell at a fair price.
James Fyfe, lighterman, examined—On the 24th January
eleven or twelve sail of colliers came ashore at Deptford. Ap-
plication was made for barges to unload some of them, but
they were refused. I advised one of them ashore on the
pier to unload over the pier, but he said ho dared not do so
without permission. Some of them lay there a fortnight in
great danger. The fleets of colliers are a great nuisance in
the river. They lie there waiting for their turn. I have been
very much surprised at the fleets of colliers lying sometimes six
weeks in the best part of the river waiting for their turn.
The coals for Deptford are generally procured in the Pool, and
conveyed down by barges. I did not perceive any thing
particular in the number of vessels detained in the river in the
year 1834, when the trade was open. The captains of these
vessels I have spoken of said they had made application, but
were refused permission to unload. They did not say to whom
the application was made. One of the vessels, the Jane
Clarice, after being three days ashore, protested, and was al-
lowed to unload at a wharf below the pier.
By the Chairman—Colliers now remain on the average
three or four weeks in the river, some of them six or seven
weeks, some less. That is all occasioned by the regulations.
The coal trade must be now a profitable one, as they can
afford to have large now ships, and to lie six or seven weeks in
the river.
Robert B. Roxton—l am a ship-owner, and have been some
years in the coal trade. lam not acquainted with the Bill
for regulating the coal trade of the port of London. About
seven years ago coals were at the lowest they were then sold
at 18s. per ton ; they are now 245. to 263. I have heard of
the regulations of the coal factors. I have two vessels in the
trade, one of them was delayed ten days, and another a fort-
night. I leave the cargoes to my factor to do the best he can
with them, and I know nothing of the regulations. There is
always some delay in October, November, and December in
the river, arising from vessels in the Baltic trade going into
the coal trade.
There being no other witnesses in attendance for examina-
tion, the Committee adjourned at three o'clock.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUE.
Newcastle-on-Tyne, Feb. 28, 1838.
SIR,---Will you allow a single word from an old schoolfellow
of yours, an admirer of your great talents and usefulness, and
a " taker in" of your singularly well-conducted Newspaper ?
When I tell you that I am a coal-owner, a ship-owner, and a
merchant, I hope you will, at least, not consider me interfering
with what I knew nothing about (as is so much the case at
present), when I direct your attention to a passage which has
most strangely found its way into a leading article in The Sun of
the 21st inst. It is this : " Ono of the witnesses stated—and no
body ventured to deny tho assertion, that the eoal-owners in the
North boasted that they could afford to work the coals at ten
shillings per ton less than they do."
I should have concluded that this was a mistake of the
printer, and meant ten pence, but that I saw the same absur-
dity in the Courier only the day before.
My dear Sir, I wonder that you who take such a very
proper and praiseworthy interest in the prices of coal to the
poorer classes, should not have made yourself master of the
fact, that the very utmost prices of the best coal here sent to
the London market, is only 10s. 3d. per ton, and 3d. for the
expense of putting on board, making in all 10s. 6d. per ton
on board in the river ; and this, recollect, only for three de-
scriptions of coals shipped in the Tyne, say, Gosforth, Heaton,
and Berwick and coasters; all the other sorts varying in price
from 7s. 3d. to 9s. 6d. per ton, at which you or anybody else
who pays for them can get as many cargoes as you please, the
vessels taking their regular turn at the several loading places.
These, then, being the prices paid to the coal-owners, how
very sensible it is to see it gravely stated, that the coal-owners
boast of being able to work coals at 10s, per ton less than they
now do I

If the monstrous fact be true, that poor people are obliged
to pay 38s. to 455. per ton for their coals, who receive the
benefit of this most scandalous pr fit ? Not the ship-owner,
who carries them to London at upwards of los. 6d. por ton
in the present season, and generally Bs. to 9s. per ton in sum-
mer, and is obliged to be detained whole weeks in the Pool,
because the factors will not discharge them. Not even the
coal-factors, who sell (as
you see by the coal prices in
every Paper) at 245., and the very utmost at 265.
per ton in London—but the London cold-rntrchants,
whose profit is thus nearly as much as the whole
price paid to the coalowner for investing, many of them, more
than 100,000/. in one colliery, where the men aro paid always
at gs. per day ; and all the other enormous expenses of
carrying on the working at depths varying from 130 to 200
fathoms I

As long as this is the case, do not, at least, blame the coal-
owners in the North, who, if they supply London with coals
exclusively, do it simply because neither in Scotland nor in
`Vales can they supply an article so cheaply, or of such a
quality as the coals from Northutnberland and Durham.

Neither can they be said not to send sufficient supplies, for
appears as many as 500 and 700 ships are in the river at a
time, and the London people refuse to discharge them !
Let it be at the same time known, that the greater number
of the coal-owners here are not adequately remunerated for
i
the capital invested. On an average, sto 7 per cent. s
about the return, although it is certain that some of the mines
of fine quality yield very large returns.
All I have herein stated, is so completely in the common-
place way of business, that there can be no question at all, as
to the truth of it; but if you wish to look into it, you have
nothing to do but write to any of the numberless Merchants,
Brokers, &c. here, and trusting you will correct the statement
as to the price of 103. less to the Coal-owners.-1 have tho
honour to be, Sir, your most obedient

OLD SCHOOL-FELLOW.
Highest price of best Heaton Coals,
Spontage,
Town dues, 2d. per chaldron, of 53 cwts ,
being less than '
Highest freight from Newcastle, Sunder-
land, Hartlepool, Seaham, &c., to
London,

Id.

los. od.

1/. Os. 7d.
Say One Pound and Seven-pence per ton in London.

BREACH OF PRIVILEGE.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.)
Debate resumed on question (26th February), " That Mr.
O'Connell be reprimanded for the same in his place by Mr.
Speaker." Question again stated :—Amendment proposed,
to leave out from the word " That" to the end of the question,
in order to add the words " this House, taking into considera-
tion that several Members of this House have avowed their be-
lief, that the decisions of Election Committees, sworn well and
truly to try the matter before them, are biassed by party inte-
rests and attachments ; and considering that the late decisions
of such Committees have been impugned in the strongest
terms by the publications in the daily newspapers ; consider-
ing, moreover, that this House has ordered to be read a second
time a Bill to regulate the trial of elections and returns of
Members to serve in Parliament,' is content to proceed no
further in the matter of said complaint," instead thereof.—
(Mr. Pendarves).
Question put—" That the words proposed to be loft out
stand part of the question." The House divided—Ayes, 249 ;
Noes, 225.
Question again proposed—" That Mr. O'Connell be repri-
manded for the same in his place by Mr. Speaker." Amend-
ment proposed—at the end of the question, to add the words,
" Notwithstanding that the Members for the City and County
of Cork, the Town of Sligo, and the Burghs of Falkirk,
have avowed in their places in this House sentiments similar
to those expressed by the Member for the City of Dublin—
and although the House has permitted to pass uncensored, and
even unnoticed, a published charge of the Bishop of Exeter,
accusing the Roman Catholic Members of this House of a di!-
regard of their oaths, and denouncing the exercise of their
rights as treachery aggravated by perjury'."—(Mr. Henry
Grattan). Question proposed—" That those words be there
added."
And a Member, Mr. Edmund Roche, having in the course
of the debate stated that he adopted the sentiment and ex-
pressions of Mr. O'Connell, the words made use of by him
were directed to be taken down by the Clerk ; and the same
were taken down accordingly, and are as follow :—" I fully
concur in and adopt the sentiment and expressions of the Hon.
Member for Dublin."
Question put, and negatived.
Main question put—" That Mr. O'Connell be reprimanded
for the same in his place by Mr. Speaker." The House di-
vided—Ayes, 226 ; Noes, 197.
Ordered—That Mr. O'Connell do attend in his place to-
morrow.
And a Member, Mr. Gillon, rising in his place, and stating
that he adopted the sentiments and expressions of the Hon.
Member for Dublin; the words made use of by him were di-
rected to be taken down by the Clerk, and the same were
taken doe n accordingly, and are as follow :—" I adopt the
sentiments and expressions of the Hon. Member for Dublin.

NO PERJURY.

Quotation from the Limerick Chronicle of the 10th February,
by Mr. M. J. O'Connell, of what purported to be a letter
written by the London correspondent of that journal on the
first day on which election ballots took place in that House
" House of Commons, Half-past Five.
" The ballots are on—we have lost Salford and Roxburgh.--
but we have gained Ipswich."
To gain a cause there is no surer way than to gain the judge-
Illustration of what may be done in this way :
In the Ipswich Committee In the Ipswich Committee
of 1835 the votes of certain of 1838 the votes of certain
special constables they special constables—they
having voted for Mr. Kelly ing voted against M. I
—were held to be good votes. —were held to be bad votes-
In the Election Committee In the Election Coratnittoe
of 1835 there were a majority of 1838 there were a mitjority
of Whigs. of Tories.
Is of
The jurors sworn to try fairly an impartially the mos
these two returns were not perjured. ono ! they had merely
a bias which led them to act without regard to their oaths.

STEALING NEWSPAPERS FROM

COFFEE-HOUSES.

Yesterday afternoon a stout lad, who gave his name
Nathan Haswell, was placed at the bar before Mr. Codd
the sitting Magistrate at, Worship-street, on a charge of
stealing the Morning Chronicle newspaper from the Coffee-
house of Mr. Smith, near Whitbread's brewery, Chiswell-
street.
It appeared from the evidence of a shoemaker named
Toole, who was formerly known as a very active special
constable, that about one o'clock yesterday he was in Mr'
Smith's coffee-room, and being struck with the suspicious
proceedings of the prisoner and a companion, who were also
there as customers, ho watched them, and at length
observed each of them conceal a newspaper, one in his
pocket and the other in his cap. They were also in
the act of abstracting two of the Monthly Magazines
from the various publications on the table, but they ar
patently saw him observing them, for they replaced the maga-
zines, and he overheard them making an appointment to meet
in Type-street. One of them then went ont, and witness iril-
mediately followed in order to take him with the stolen news-
paper. The fellow, however, ran off and escaped, carrying
off the Times in his pocket. The witness returning met the,
prisoner coming out of the coffee-room, and gave charge 01
him to Police Sergeant Scale, who happened to be passing at
the time, ant who found a newspaper in his cap.
The Sergeant produced the Morning Chronicle, which he
found in the prisoner's cap, described by the last witness.
Mr. Smith stated that he had only opened the coffee-
house in Chiswell-street last Friday, but lie had pre-
viously kept a coffee-house in the Old Bailey, and
had been robbed of numberless newspapers and other
publications. When the prisoner was taken, as al-
ready stated, he missed the two newspapers, the Chronicle
and Times. The other publication that the prisoner and his
companion had been preparing to carry off were of a more
expensive kind—Blackwood and another magazine.
Mr. CODD advised him to mark all his publications con-
spicuously with his name, so that if stolen they
readily recognised wherever they were met with.
The prisoner asserted that he had merely taken tho news-
paper to read over at his leisure, and return it.
Mr. CODD remanded him for a week. might be

---
Mr. T. S. Duncombe was prevented from attending
the House on Monday night by severe indisposition.
In addition to the 200 Members who voted last time
for the Ballot, there are forty-eight other gentlemen known
to be favourable to it, who did not vote on that occasion, but
were absent either from indisposition or some other cause.
Mr. Manes paired off with Mr. Horsman on Lord
Maidstone's motion on Monday night.
Mr. Mervyn Archdall has paired off with Sir Mon-
tagu J. Chapman till Easter.
LIFE OF THE EARL OF ST. VINCINT.—Wo are
requested to state that the " Memoirs and Correspondence Of
Admiral the Earl of St. Vincent," by Captain Brenton,:
R.N., author of " The Naval History of Great Britain'
&c., in 2 vols. Bvo, with Portrait, are published this day °Y
Mr. Colburn, 18, Great Marlborough-street, who has all°,
just ready a new work entitled " The River and the Desart,
by Miss Pardoe, author of " The City of the Sultan," Sce., 13
2 vols. post Bvo, with numerous illustrations.
COURT OF CONIMON COUNCIL.—The Td
Mayor held a Court of Common Council yesterday, for the
purpose of communicating to them the letter from Lord John
Russell relative to the City Police being put under the Com-
missioners of Metropolitan Police. The letter having been
read, his Lordship then laid before the Court the resolutions
and proceedings of the Court of Aldermen of Monday last, on
the same subject which were read. The Court, after au
animated debate, agreed unanimously to resolutions exp Russell,
their surprise at the communication from Lord John ussell,
being persuaded had an inquiry been previously instituted it
would have been incontrovertibly proved that the wealth and
property of the city, comprising so large a portion of the mer-
chandise of the kingdom, has been subject to less depredation
than in any other part of the country. Copies of the resolu-
tions were ordered to be transmitted to Lord John Russell,
with a request that he would hold a conference with a deputa-
tion of the Court in conjunction with a deputation from the
Court of Alderman. A deputation was then appointed, and
the Remembrancer instructed to apply for the conference.

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MARRIED.
On the 27th inst., at St. John's Church, Hampstead, by.
Rev. Dr. Jennings, Thomas Longman, Esq., eldest sou of T. the
N'
Longman, Esq., of Mount Grove, Hampstead, to Georgiana Town-
shend, eldest daughter of the late Major Bates, of the Royal Ar-
tillery.

London: Printed and Published by AIURDO YOUNG, of isto•
112, Strand, at The Sun Office, No. 110, Strand, in the county
cf 111iddlesex.—Wednesday, February 28, 1838.

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