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After a few words from Mr. PRAED,
The House divided, when the numbers were—
Ayes
43
Noes
117
Majority against the instruction
The H305:3 then resolved itself into Committee
Upon the second clause being proposed,
Mr. PRAED moved an amendment.
After a short conversation, the House was cleared for a
division, but none took place.
The other clauses were then agreed to, and the report
Was ordered to be received this day.
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Friend was treated with great injustice.—(Hear,

STAMP DUTIES BILL.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE.
QUER, this Bill was read a third time.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then
biought up a clause relating to the distinctive die.
Upon the question being put,
Mr. WAKLEY expressed a hope that the Right Hon.
Gentleman would not press this measure at so late an hour.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
as the law now stood all remarks on matters connected with
Church and State were deemed to be a newspaper; and the
present Bill omitted these words, so that instead of making
the law at all more stringent, it was a concession in favour of
the principle advocated by the Hon. Member for Finsbury.
Mr. A GLIONBY thought the provision referred to incon-
sistent with the profession made by the Right Hon. Gentle-
man (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) when the measure
Was under discussion; for it certainly contained a direct pro-
hibition against publishing remarks on public events and
measures in such a cheap form as to have them read by the
public generally.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in
publications containing remarks on passing events it would be
Impossible to prevent te insertion of accounts of these events;
and that would be news. He was not aware, therefore, how
Such publications could be distinguished from newspapers.
Mr. WALTER commented upon several provisions of the
Measure, especially upon the clause which enacted that the
names of all the proprietors of newspapers should be regis-
tered at the Stamp-office--a clause which he imagined must
have been suggested by some attorney, for the purpose of en-
abling him to bring separate actions. Pitt and Castlereagh
were liberality itself, compared with the liberality of some of
the Eupporters of this liberal measure. As to the best security
for the good conduct of proprietors of newspapers, he had
!pen referring to the debates of former days on the subject,
and„„ among other opinions he had found that of Sir James
mackintosh, who stated that the best guarantees for such con.
duct were the large capital, the deep interest, and the high
sense of honour of the proprietors of newspapers ; and who
deprecated their being thrown into the hands of desperate ad-
venturers, who would be ready to become the tools of any
Party or faction.
Dr. BO WRING put a question to the Right Hon. the
Chancellor of the Exchequer with reference to the size of
the double-sheet newspapers, the answer to which was per-
fectly inaudible ; but we understood the lion. Member for
Kilmarnock to say, that according to the statement of the
Right lion. Gentleman The Morning Chronicle would not,
in consequence of its larger size, be excluded (as was ap-
prehended) frem the benefit to be enjoyed by the other papers.
After a few observations by Mr. E WART and Colonel
SIBTiIoRP,
Mr. WALTER repeated his condemnation of the tenth
clause of the Bill, adding, that it was some satisfaction to
feel that if the Bill passed that it would not pass the other
11011 SC of Ronan-lent.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed,
that although lie had that morning seen the observations just
must
te
teg by the Ilonourable Member for Berkshire in print, he
to state to the Honourable Gentleman that it was
not very regular to declare within those walls that any mea-
sure approved by the House would not pass elsewhere. It
would require all the constitutional knowledge possessed by
the Hon. Gentlemen, whether acquired in former days, or
during his attendance on Parliament, to reconcile with the
usages
of that House the statement that a money Bill, a Bill
for the repeal of taxation, a Bill for the relief of the people,
although it might pass in the House of Commons, was not
likely to pass elsewhere. With respect to the clause to which'
the non. Gentleman especially alluded, it had been discussed
in the Committee on two days, and no objection was made to
it. It was felt that there was great responsibility attached to
the conduct of a public newspaper, and that those who gave to
the public the species of information which it contained had no
right to hide themselves from the public view. There was not
the slightest intention to curb the expression of opinion. That
would remain as free as ever; and surely, to let it be known
from whom that opinion proceeded, would not, if it were doubt-
ful, make it either right or wrong. It had been said that a
newspaper might belong to a vast number of joint-stock pro-
prietors; and then it would be hard that all their names should
be registered. But it would be much harder if (and especially
hi country towns) a new paper was set up with a capital con-
sisting of 10/. shares, and it should not be known to the esta-
blished prints who their competitors were. He could not help
thinking that publicity of this kind was well calculated to in-
sure adherence to principle, whatever might be the politics of
t
_o
the parties. With respect to the particular clause to which the
P r. Member for Berkshire adverted, it must be in the recol-
lection of the House that it was not in the Bill originally, but
that it gas introduced after due notice.
Mr. WALLACE observed that it was introduced at a late
hour in the night. He moved that the clause be omitted.
On a division there appeared'--
For the motion
Against it ..
The Bill Majority

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Ali was then- read a third time.
On the motion that the Bill do pass,
Mr. Wr I( LE Y opposed the motion, and charged his Ma-
jesty's ft,linisters with a breach of faith in not having by the
Bill rt nealcd the objectionable parts of the existing law.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER defended
the Bill, and expressed his great surprise that, after the dis-
eu`s,,,ns which the Bill had undergone, it should be thus op-
-130,..ed in its last stage. He was anxious to pass the Bill, that
it nil& be sent to the other House of Parliament. Let the
House recollect that the Bill could not be now amended. The
Only question to be decided was, whether the Bill should pass
or not pass.
Dr. BOWRING hoped his Hon. Friend the Member for
Firsbury would not press his objection to the motion.
The House then divided—
For the motion
Against it
Majority —4B
The Bill was then passed.
The Newspaper Postage Bill was read a third time and
passed.

The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
Rouse adjourned at Two o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, JULY 25.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at .five o'clock.

SCOTCH ENTAILS.
On the motion of the Duke of BUCCLEUGH, the
Commons' amendments to the Scotch Entail Bill were
agreed to.
Lord STRA.DBROKE presented a petition in favor of
certain clauses in the Grand Jury (Ireland) Bill.
Tbe Duke of WELLINGTON presented a petition
frem Satherland against the Irish Tithe Bill ; and a peti-
tion from the proprietor of a light-house against the Light-
'"uses 13111 ; also a petition from the gold and silver workers
of Inverness, against the Gold and Silver (Scotland) Stan-
dard Bill. The Noble Duke then presented a petition
frc'n:i the proprietors of Waterloo Bridge against the Hun-
gertcrd and Lambeth Suspension Bridge.
Thc Bishop of ARMAGH presented a petition from
Cork, to the same effect as that first presented by the Noble
buke.

Earl DE YON presented a petition from the owners and
Proprietors of *lnd on the Surrey side of the river, in favour
of the Bill.
The Bishop of EXETER presented a petition from an
imdividual in Dublin, in support of the Protestant religion.
.Lord FITZGERALD and VESCI presented a peti-
titioo from the Diocese of Cashel and Emly against the Irish
Tii.he Bill.
Viscount MELBOURNE presented petitions from
Wicklow. Mayo, and the diocese of Ferns, Wexford, Clare,
and other places, prayingc, for the abolition of tithes.
CIVIL BILL COURTS (IRELAND).
The Earl of DEVON moved the second reading of the
Civil Bill Courts (Ireland) Bill, which, after a few words
from the Marquis of CLANRICARDE, was agreed to.
MANCHESTER AND CHESHIRE JUNCTION

W AY.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE moved that the Committee
°n the Manchester and Cheshire Junction Railway do re-
assemble, for the purpose of reporting specially the reasons
:1)n which they founded their resolution that the preamble
/tad not been proved.
The Earl of UXBRIDGE defended the Report of the
Committee, and objected to the present motion, on the
grouod that the engineering difficulties were insurmountable.
LoNi WHARNCLIFFE contended that the line was
a most u,,eful one, and that the evidence with respect to its
practicabih:y was most satisfactory. On the whole
line of thi'riT miles long there were only three miles
of descent, anti the promoters of the Bill had no ob-
jection to deviate so far from their line, as to re-
rniaoye., the_ objections to its passing through Stockport.
He
thought the conclusiot: to which the Committee had
.come was a most extraordinary one ; and all the promoters
Artricift ansekirap
few.o edswaps
that the Committee would hear the evi-
ort of the conflicting line, and decide
wordsbe-
themLord from Lords UXBRIDGE and DUCIE,
SEAFORD would feel it his duty to support the
riso2tion for the purpose of showing their Lordships
'::4U"..g.r011114 upon which the Committee had made these
"ulls, which, in his opinion, were most satisfactory.
Bt:l.atrers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House
divided, w..en there appeared,
Contents lB
Non-contents 23
Majority against the motion —s
'Marquis of DOWNSHIRE presented a petition
Clergy of the Diocese of Dromore against the
Irish Tithe Bill.

RAILWAYS.
The Marquis of LAIN;POWNE said, as some anxiety