The Sun.
London, England, 1849-04-05 00:00:00

PARLIAMEN TARY DIVISIONS.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.j
TUESDAY, APRIL 3.
SUNDAY TRAVELLING ON RAILWAYS.
Motion made, and Question put, " That Leave be given to
bring in a Bill to regulate Sunday Travelling on Railways•"
The House divided:—

MAJORITY-AYES, 58.
Anderson, Arthur Grey, Sir George Pete., Samuel
Armstrong, R. B. Grey, Ralph W. Pigott, Francis
Baring, Sir E. T. Hawes, Benj. Rich, Henry
Bass, Thomas Heywood, James Romilly, Sir John
Bellew, R. M. lleyworth, L. Russell, F. C.
Berkeley, Captain 11111, Lord 11. Saudars, J.
Berkeley, C. L. G. Ilobhouse, T. B. Scrope, G. P.
Blacksll, S. W. Ilorsinan, Edward Somerville, Sir W.
Blake, M. J. Howard, Lord E. Stuart, Lord D.
Brotherton, Joseph Howard, C. W. 'ihicknesse, R. A.
Buller, Sir J. Y. Hume, Joseph Thompson, Colonel
Bunbury, Edward Jervis, Sir John Thornely, T.
Childers, J. W. Labouchere, Henry Townshend, Captain
Cebbold, J. C. Mahon, O'Gorman Westhead, J. P.
Drummond, llenry Mangles, R. D. Willoughby, Sir IL
Dunne, F. r. Melgund, Viscount Wilson, James
Ebrington, Viscount Moffatt, George
Ellis, John Nugent, Sir Percy TELLERS.
Elliot, J. E. Paget, Lord A. Locke, Joseph
Fortescue, J. W. Palmerston, Vis. Agliouby, H.A.-
Orenfell, C..P. Parker, John

MINORITY—NOES, 20.
Adderley, C. it. Herbert, H. A. Stuart, Lord J.
Baldoek, E. H. Hindley, Charles Taylor, T. E.
Buxton, Sir E. Lockhart, W. Vesey, Hon. T.
Conolly, Thomas Palmer, Roundell Woretly, J. S.
Duncan, George Seymer, H. K.
Egerton, Sir P. Stnollett, A. TVLLEILS.
Ellice, Edward Spooner, Richard Cowan, Charles
Fordyce, A. D. Stafford, Augustus iorbes, W.

POOR-LAWS (IRELAND—RATE IN AID) BILL.
PAIRS ON MR. G. A. HAMILTON'S AMENDMENT.
FOR. AGAINST.
Disraeli, B. Cavendish, C.
Gladstone, W. E. Campbell, W. F.
Hill, Lord E. Cholmeley, Sir M.
Phimptre, J. P. Morison, Sir W.
Macnamara, Major Perfect, R.
Morgan, 0. Tufnell, 11.
Cubitt, W. Harris, R.
Baillie, H. J. Robarts. T. J.
Urquhart, D. Div et t, E.
Anstey, C. O'Connell, J.
Egerton, W. T. Tollemache, J.

PAIRS ON THE SECOND READING.
Alcock, T. Law, Hon. C. E.
Brand, T. Coles, H. B.
Brackley, Lord Stuart, H.
Butler, P. S. Bunbury, WC.
Cavendish, W. G. Halsey, T. P.
Cavendish, C. C. Disraeli, B.
Campbell, Hon. W. Gladstone, W. E.
Cholmeley, Sir M. Hill, Lord E.
Davie, Sir IL F.I Walsh, Sir J. B.
D'Eyncourt, C. T. Renton, J. C.
Divett, E. Urquhart, D.
Duncuft, J. Gwyn, 11.
Dundas, Sir D. Bruce, C. L. C.
Foley, J. 11. 11. Dud, J. W.
Freestun, Colonel Palmer, Robert
Grenfell, C. W. March, Earl of
Harris, R. Cubitt, W.
Heneage. E. I'acke, C. W.
Hodges, T. L. Fagan, J.
Hodges, J. T. Bennet, P.
Howard, Hon. J. Burrell, Sir C.
Lemon, Sir C. O' Brien, T.
Littleton, Hon. E. R.. Newry, Lord
Maitland, T. Buck, L. W.
Morison, Sir W. Pluniptre, J. P.
Marshall, W. Hodgson, W. N.
Milner, W. M. E. Miles, P. W. S.
O'Connell, M. J. Anstey, T. C.
Ord, W. Broadwood, H.
I'endarves, E. W. Bell, AI.
Perfect, R.
Pilkington, J. Macnamara, Major
W. Blair, S.
Pinney,
RAwdon, Colonel Burghley, Lord
Bruen, Colonel H.
' Robarte• T. J. A.
Bane, H. J.
Roche, E.t B.
Russell, Hon. E. S. St. George, C.
Leslie, C. P.
Rutherford, A. Bernard, Lord
Slaney, R. A. Miles, W.
Stanton, W. IL Mailings, J. 11.
Stanstield, W. Farrer, J.
Tufnell, 11. Morgan, W. H.
Tollemache, J. Egerton, W. T.
Vane, Lord H. Manners, Lord C. S.
Wawn, J. T. Worcester, Lord

uytgbayllevon line from Lairs to
in consequence of the
FURTHER OPENING OF THE SOUTH DEVON.
--
PLYMOUTH, APRIL 3.-This town and its neighbourhood
excethedeinsgol
in the heart of Plymo,uth. As the first train
wfuerrteli cyre so
tpeernd ianyg of
came iu the morning, about six o clock, with the London
mail, the mid-day train from Bristol was made the open
ing train. The proceedings passed Off most satisfactorily.

[A juryman here asked for a glass of water, and the
prisoner, who had a glass beside him, immediately
raised it, and, bowing, drank with him.l
The prisoner returned to the different points of his
defence again and again, going over the same ground,
and interlarding his observations on the evidence of each
witness with appeals to the Almighty in proof of his
innocence. He repeated that he never used stronger fan•
guage to any one with respect to Mr. Jermy than he had
to that gentleman himself. Howe had been kept back until
the last moment, and at a time when the counsel for the
prosecution knew that he would have but little
time to bring forward evidence to show the
value of his testimony. He had now gone through
the remarks which he had to make upon the
pricipal evidence adduced against him. Instead of its
being to his interest that Mr. Jermy should die
it
_was to his interest that he should live,
on account of the agreements into which
he entered with him with respect to the property. The
prisoner uttered this with much vehemence, striking his
hand as he said it emphatically on the dock before him.
The facts he had already stated showed that an at-
tempt to take possession of the hall was not unlikely.
The parties who had tried it before had had nothing done
to th.m, and there was au idea that had they held pos-
session they would have succeeded. He hoped the jury
would consider the whole bearing of the subject, and
think of nothing that had appeared in newspaper re-
ports, fur they must see the difference between those re-
ports and the evidence. And fret, as to time, they
would bear in mind the conflicting evidence which had
been given in that respect, A great fuss had been made
about his not cross-examining Miss Sandford the second
time she was brought forward as a witness. He asked
the jury to consider the situation she was in. She
went to the ball for twelve hours, and there she was
made to believe all these things, and to turn round
against him, Still, on the first deposition made by
her he was willing to stand or fall. If it was the last
word he had to speak, he would show that he went no
further than he had already stated; that it was iausrpoosi
bible for him to have gone further than the r boundary d
nminYutes
his farm; and that he stopped there
half-past owe, and that would
ways at nine o'clock or h
twenty or
show that he was not out more than
he was double that time,
twenty-
five minutes. But, supposing
only. mily Sandford stated that
*st went to bed ul-
the jury heard what time Pont took to walk the distance
between the hall and Potash in the open day. But Pot-
ash land was not like common walking land, and the
time was night. Ho hoped the jury would consider whe-
ther Emily Sandford's evidence given before them ought
to weigh against his life. Had he contemplated such an
act, did the jury think that he would have had her there
at all? She said that he trembled; but he was frightened
by what he had told them about. However, when that
was over and he had got into bed and begun to warm
protection in standing there
he became as•calm and collected as he was at the pre-
sent moment.--(Sensation.) He knew that his con-
science was clear ; and did they, think that ho would
alhaveosohkee looked hadatdh eGdmoo God Almighty's
ithet
face
o was
a sguilty ? Ile could not have
b
e should have been mad be-
fore now.—(Renewed sensation.) His Lordship said
that the questions he (the prisoner) put to Emily Sand-
ford were not important'; but he said they were. They
showed she was the last person he would have thought
Of using for such a purpose as the forgery of these
papers. As to those papers they must bear in mind the
different evidence which she had given with regard to
them. He hoped that after that evidence the jury would
not (indeed they could not) think that such was the case.
He bad always been in the habit of going to the White
Hart at Norwich, and could always get a bottle of
wino there to dinner when he wanted it ; and as to
the brandy, considering that she was in the
family-way, it was necessary that she should .have
some when she was ill, and be told her so.—(Sensation.)
The effect, however, sought to be produced by the
counsel fur the Crown was, that he gave Emily Saud-
ford brandy in order to make her sign the papers.
The JUDGE—I don't think there was anything in that
evidence. You may address the jury on the point, but
it has produced no impression on my mind.
The prisoner—No one could read that evidence with-
out thinking that what he had stated was the effect of it.
That brandy evidence was introduced into the trial to
make the forged papers of more consequeece. He only
wished to cheer her up, poor thing, when she did not
feel well.—(Sensation.)
The JUDGE—It seems to me most absurd that any
inference such as you have stated should be drawn from
this. But I am glad you mentioned it, because it strikes
me that you would be more likely to cheer her up with
wino than brandy .—(Sensation.)
The prisoner thought it would be material to show the
dross which he really did wear upon the night of the
murder. Some of the parties who had been produced as
witnesses before them had seen it. It was held up be-
fore them in the yard at Potash, where, knowing the
circumstances that were likely to fix suspicion on him,
he had put it before the police arrived. Whether it was
that, after tho evidence which had been given as to the
appearance of the nun seen at the Hall, they thought it

_ .
The JUDGE at last said—l cannot allow you to pro-
ceed with those questions. They have nothing to do
with the case before us. All you have to show is
whether you aro or are not the person who murdered Mr.
Jenny-.
Prisoner—Yes, my Lord; but I wish to show the un-
fair way in which I was treated by the magistrates.
JUDGE—I really cannot allow it. I have listened very
pati ntly to all you have had to say, but really there
must be some bounds to this discussion.
Examination continued—Returned from the Bridewell
in about two hours. Mr. Cann, the solicitor, was with
him. An inspector of police was sent to the Bridewell
along with him. The inspector went to give directions
that witness should not see the prisoner without a police-
man being present. Mr. John Cann went into the room
where the prisoner was with witness. The police had
retired into the passage The prisoner made some
ob-
servations to Mr. Cann.
Prisoner—What was said by you when I made those
observations to Mr. Cann?
Mr. Sergeant BYLES—I really must interpose now, my
Lord, for all this is quite foreign and irrelevant to this
inquiry.
Prisoner—My Lord, I want to show the villany of
Cann. He knew he was acting as my solicitor up to the
time—
The JUDGE—You cannot ask the question. It is im•

possible for the prosecution to be prepared with evidence
to refute such statements, and I really am at a loss to
know what all this evidence is coming to.
Prisoner (to witness)—llid you make use of words to
the effect that I could not put my case into better hands
than those of Mr. Cann?—l said you ought to put your
case into the hands cf some respectable solicitor, and that
I knew of no one better than Mr. Cann.
The witness was not examined by the Crown, and he
retired, but was called back by the prisoner.
Who is William Frederick Howe—he says he has been
a clerk of yours?----Yes, he has.
Is he a man you would believe on his s ith 2—C,rtainly
not, if he was contradicted by respectable testimony.
What did he leave your employment for?
The JUDGE would not allow the question to be put
and the witness left the court.
Arthur Hyde called and examined by the prisoner.

What is yOur profession?—l am an accountant and
arbitrator.
Do you know William Frederick Itcwe?—l do.
When did you first see him?-011 the 4th of December,
in the coffee-room of the Wheatsheaf Tavern, about 8
o'clock in the evening.
Had you any conversation with him on the subject of
the Stanfield-hall murders?—l had only one conversa-
tion with him; but I heard him make several remarks
about it.
State the expressions he used?—The witness was pro-
ceeding to do so, when
Mr. Sergeant BrLEs objected, and called on the priso-
ner to put to the witness only such questions as would
enable him to affirm any statement the witness Howe as-
serted he had denied.
The JUDGE—Those questions certainly are irregular.
(To the prisoner.) You have been without counsel
during this trial. You had the means of having counsel
if you thought fit, but you did not do so. An enormous
latitude has been allowed to you all through, but there
must be bounds to it. If you call one witness to contra •
diet another, you must only call him to say that another
witness said something which ho says ho did not say.
Prisoner—How could Ido so? How could I know what
the man would say? You tie my hands because I am
not a lawyer like these learned gentlemen below me.
The JUDGE—You should have asked Howe at the
time.

Prisoner—But how should I know what Howe was
going to state? How could I tell what ho was going to
say? It is most cruel and most unjust to treat me in
this way.
The JUDGE—It is very unjust to the other parties in
this case to allow you to do otherwise. 'Witnesses must
be protected as well as the party accused. If you can
show Howe had money it is another question.
The jury here got together in their box and consulted
for a moment, and
The JUDGE said—Perhaps the best thing you can do
is to have Howe called back, and ask him what he said;
that would bo the most regular course.
The Counsel for the,Crown having agreed, HOWO was
sent for, and meantime
Maria Blarlchflower was called and examined by the

prisoner.
nurserymaid at Stanfield-hall.
What are you?—
hriturosf the murder ?—I was.
Were you there thlewnaisg
Where were you when you heard the first report?--
Where
the nursery.
[low long were you before you came down stairs?—i
did not come down till I heard three more reports.
How did you go down?—By the back stairs from the
nursery.
Did you see Eliza Chestney lying at the bottom of the
stairs?—No; I think they had removed her.
Where did you go when you vent down 130.45?—Ty'..