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STIPENDIARY CURATES DILL.

The RIR of HARROWBY moved the Order-of
the Day for their Lordihips resolving in .o a Com-
mittee on this hill, which being read, Lord Wal-
singbam accordingly took the Chair.. _ _

Several of the7Clanses acid Provisions of the
Bill, were, in the course of much discussion,
principally between the Archbishop- of Canter-.
bury, the Bishops of London and Durham, and
Lords Ellenborouttli, Grenville, Redesdale, and
the Earl of
,Harrowby,- agrea to by .the Com-
mittee.

A few Amendments proposed by the Bishop of
London, Lord Redesdale, and" others of their
Lordships, in.the course of the above, were like-
wise agreed to.

Uri the prominent clause in the Bill, which
went to provide for the stipends of Curates, on a
ratio proportioned to the value of the living, the
number of the parishioners, Sm. a discussion of
qome lengtb took place, of which our very re-
stricted limits allow us but a brief and hasty
glance.

The Bishop of Lorateit adduced a variety.' Of
objections to the measure, and concluded by pro-
posing the substitution of a clause, the effects of
which were to empower the Bishop or his Ordi-
nary to appoint citrates at'a salary not exceeding
200/. per annum, in which in certain cases, the
value of the glebe land held by him wit,
eluded, &c.

The Earl of riaaitownY combated the proposed
amendment with great force, and pointedly ob-
served; it was not alone the pecuniary interests
of Patrons or Incumbents: that •were to be con-
. sidcred ; the spiritual interests of the Parishioners,
and the Cure of Souls; were also to he considered.
lie also reminded the Committee, that the Bill
was of a perspective. nature, 'and no present lu-
enmbent could he affected by it:
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY argued in
support of the Amendment.

The Earl of LtvEarbor. most ably and elo-
quently opposed it ; and observed; be never con-
sidered the \property of the Church but as a pro-
perty connected with duty. It was incumbent on.
Parliament to prOvide a resident Minister for those
parishes which had none;- and he trusted the
Committee would at least agree in the prfnciple
of the original clause. - -

Lord GRENVILLE followed, and ably outmoded

ri'rqnhltalfs advanced ly tie twoitist Speattrs.
1. • R$DnsnALE 0159 'slApported the original

T:, Lion!) CHANCELLOR dEclarefl be should vote
nether vA.ly on the preseHt occasion. He scem-
.e‘l to think the Bill, in, its present shape, could
not be adequately eficaciOuS as to its saint'ary
ob-
jects : 'something of a more contpiebensive na,
titre, accompanied, by a strict inquiry into the
actual value of livings, would be necessary ;' and
iie toA occasion to remark, that the frc.quent
traffic with respect to benefices and advowsons
Fuss quite shameful.
The Bishops 'of EXETER and WORCESTER, and
some others of their _f,ordships, delivered their
sentiments, when a division took place ; and there
appeared—
For the tishop.of Lonrln's Amendmept 15
Against it , .
Majbrity

. The doom were not Opened for some time : the
remaining clauses of the Bill, we understood,were
'disposed of • and their, Lordships, at a late'hour,
adjourned till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS,
• 'MONDAY, MARCH 29.

The Exchequer .13iIls.Bill was read a third time
and passed.

.T%-vo Petitions wcrepresented from certainElee,
tors of the. Borough of, Weymouth and Mel-
combe Regis complaining that the elective fran-
chise had been wrongfully exercised by cer-
tain persons on copyhold and reserved rents and
nominal.freeholds. Of :this the Petitioners pray-
ed to be permitted,;to give evidence before•a.Com-
mittee of the House, to the end that Bill might
be brOught in: to remedy the,evils of which, they
complained. The Pe,itions were ordered to lie
on the table.

Mr. ABERCROMBIE postponed the second read-
ing of the Achnindty Registrir Bill to this day
se'nnight.

Aecollnts were presented of the sums paid to
the Hall-keeper of Guildhall, in Bankrupt cases,
within the last five years, pursuant to the order
of the House.

The Irish Sugar Distillation Bill was read a se-
cond time,, atad committed for Friday.
Mr. W. 'FITZGERALD presented a Petition front
the-Commissioners of Wide Streets, and frdni the
Governors of the Foundling Hospital, and other
public charities in Dub,lin, praying, the usual' an-
nual grants.
Ordered to lie on the table. •

The Frousevent into a Committee rni the 43d
ofthe King, relative to the regulations respecting
passengers sailip:; to his Majesty's colonies.
Mr. ItoatNstm; after stating ,the alterations
which in his estimation it would be expedient to
a(h)pt, moved, " Tliat the Chairman be inWucted
to move for leave to bring in. a Bill to alter and
amend the said Act."

Tim motion was agreed to, and' the Hohse
having rein ma., . tolling in a.
Mr. Ja,44---rceortytT;iy .
Fitte.NfAni.ti SaTa, when the Army Esti,.
mates were moved, he *dad objected to so large a
sum being set down for Barracks in Ireland,
without- having. a' more particular •account of the
buildings erected or to he erected. .The !Lose,
however,seprocil disposed to repose so much con-
fidence in Ministers, as to let this rest with them
on their responsibility. Of this he could not
complain, but he now felt it his duty to move for
farther returns fin' th6inhject which must be in
the Irish Barrack Office, or in the hands of Mi-
nistcrS. lie then moved for, a summary account,
of all works and buildings Mite!! have been, or
are now, carryitig on under, the directions of the
Barrack Department in. Ireland, ,pecifying the
time ,at which they were begon, the. state in
which they are at present, „together with the: es-
timat6 of the whole expence, an account .of the
expence already incurred, the grants made to
.meet the an-estimate of the number ,of
troops they are e,tittrated to contain, •together
with the names of the Surveyors and Engineers
venployed on the same, and also the names of the
persons under whose inspection the works were
carried on, from the sth of Janitari 1809, to the
sth of Jaunty 1813.
2., Thal
•a List of .the Barracks, and other
buildings, for the use of troops annually rented
in Ireland, with Retitrns of the Rents paid for
the Same; the Names of the Lessors to whom
paid, and
.an account, of the number of .troops
whichthey contain.

4. That a List of all Barracks or Buildings
formerly tuell as Barracks in Ireland now appro-
priated to other purposes ; an account of the uses
to which they are at present applied, and of the
number of troops which they contained.
After a few words from Mr. VEELE, the motion
woo agreed to.

The-Margate,Pier Bill was read second time,
and ordered to be committed.

FINANCE.
Mr. TZERNEY said it had been his intention 4,0
move for a Committee on the Finances of the
Country, on the introduction of the new plan of
Finance. This, however, it the Bill now in the
House were td pass, would occupy too lunch time
between the period of its being broughtla, and
its being passed. There was, however, one point
to which he wished to call the attention of the
House, and therefore gave notice, that on Thurs-
day he would move for a C7urimittee to talze into
consideration the Acts of the 26th, 32d, and 42d
of George 111. relative to the reduction of the
National Dept, and to declare how far any por-
tion of the Sinking Funds was left at the dispnsul
of Parliament. What he wanted was rail atlirrua-
tive or a negative on the subject, and he should
therefore not take up their time on the subject at
any length, as he was not aware that any objec-
tion could he made to the motiou which be in-
tended to bring forward.

SINECURE MIX.

The report of the 13111 having been brought up,
on the goestion' that the amendments be now read
a ec on (I time,

ME; HiILSORTH opposed the Bill in a speech of
some length, in which•he contended that the ex-
istence -t,f7Sinecures did not tend to increase the
power of the Crown, but on the contrary, al they
were generally regarded as the gift of the Minis-
ter_ whi n fa Oltn .

the persons holding these Were usually fount' act-
ing_ with those whcilnia lefroffice, and thug stii;,

plying a counterpoise to the influence of rhu
Crown; The chains of the-public servants ungla
not to lie., decided by the liuuse, If
.they could
not trust thetuseves to decide on eleetion peti-
.

tions, iwit':vr ought they on
sindixichntl
like those-to )vhich..ll (,! had alluded.- The .i louse,
if coiniietent to juirge or military services, aught
to -decide what rewards should be given:, to the.
civil sen'ants of the public:. Their political ri-
valry made it difficult, if not impossible, for them

to act with strict Ampariiality. The provision
nnule of Mr. Yerceval, who had

given up a lucrative ppofession -to devote biziself
to the public service, had been favoured by some
on acconnt_of.his end, rather than on account o
his political services. It bad been said this men-:
surewould be popular. - He thought its popu-
larity must necessarily be short-lived, and, at all
events, to pass this bill; vi'ould be an unworthy
sacrifice to popular ;feeling. He Concluded by
moving, that instead of '' now" the amendment
should be read a second time on that day " six
months." ' . ,

Mr.,BANKts defended thetill, and answered
the Objections of the last Speaker, by whom, he
contended, it had been misunderstood.- At a time
when the public we're. ,necessarily obliged to p::y
So much for 'efficient services, he thought 'they
ought, if poSsible, to be relieved from the burthen
ofpaying for nominal services.. Sanctioned this
Bill-had already been by the approbvition of that
House ; he denied that to
.pass it wank! be to
make an unworthy sacrifice to popularity. Ho
disclaimed any intention of Setting it ty as a mo-
del of perfectibn, but wished its object to ,he pi•o-
pedy attended to, acid a 3 it went.to remedy exist-
ing evils, would.be for those who opposed it
to ..prove. that the offices agaipSt which it ways
directed ought not to, be Slone away, if adopt-
ed, he ,thought it would be productive of consi-
derable benefit. ' .

Lord CASTLEREAGii felt, that in rising 40 op-
pose this Bill, he had to .contend with the midi"
tionalclisadvanz of its having.had the sanction
of. that House it; a toenter Parliament., It had,
however, not been carried in a Very triumehant
manner, as, he believed it had not bad a greeter
majority in its favour than 7, 10, mi. 12, tf,
however, he bad thought himself preciudedfrom
opposing it, because it had been approved of in
a former Parliament, he Should still have felt at
liberty to suggest a doubt. to
.his Hon. Friend,
whether pertinaciously to persevere in, this men-
sure would be the Most judicioui' step they could
take toward accomPlisliing the object he had in,
view. This measure, if passed in, that House, .
unless' great changes bad taken place, elsewhere,
would meet with such decided:opposition in the
House of Lords, that it was vain to hope any
thing from
The SrEAKEII.• called the Noble Lord to order.
The proceeding of !lett Hote,e..(the House of
Commons) were not to be swayed in any sham:
by whet mieht hr e---z...,,,,einiter, place;
iNobre Lind then proceeded to argue the
Bill upon its own merits, It would neither !ape-
rate now nor hereafter as a measure of economy,
but as the contrary, at the outset would ineNioe
• the offioiel expenditure of the country. The great
cla"S of office,; which it would retrench would be
thoSe in the AA7st- Jiffies, on which the f.....tving
would not Came to this cOnntry., but Ciirtiitotts
means. Lie I?!.rfe,!tly opinion, that
all persons who derived emolument from those of-
liC be !.osideut in the place of their ap-
pri' 6
iALlZit)'tt , the local duty of their situa-
tion. So far he would go in reforming; hot this
step ought not to wait the passing of the genera
measure. Government ought and lyould see to
prOvide iut Adepote. remedy for the 'civil
ittely. Without entering itqo eakeelations on the
• subject, he affirnied that the titles to superemzutz.-
floe created by. this Bill, )vmdd fat exceed in ex"
pence the saving made by the abolition of the sinee.
cures at which it pointed , and, besides it wetild
place GOvernmentin such a situation that the re-
fusai of a pension would be a stigma upon the ap-
plicant'. Thus an unpleasant state of things would
be oecasioned,'whileat the same time an initneuse
additional eZpenee would he at once incurred,
• which was never before opened to claims from
length of service. The Nolfle Lord then came tt•
the operation of the Bill on the general system of
Goeernmeet. This sweeping measure to do away
three hundred and fifty Officers; and turn the
discharge of their, duties into ipcongenial chan-
nels would, he Contended, unhinge the puhlie
bir-
siness of the conntry,' at least he had beet) i -
formed by persons very competent to , jnti,ee, that
it would have this effect' in manynffices. He then
adverted to the injustice and impolicy of the lova-
suTe, as depriving persons coming into' p6iVer of
the patronage necessary to ;enable them to fArry
into effect those plans which they deemed hest fer
the service of the country. It wai a great evil
that it ?Accumulated all the patronage Of the coun-
try, to_the party which. might he long in office.—
Thinking, 'mile did, that Mioisters might, of tie
the only persons who dese: red reward ;‘ b•Jt '
merit of this kind might be found in those who
opposed. them, ho could net acquiesce in the pro-,
priety of entirely shafting out the Later tram fa.
your, As for the persons to whom the Honotfre-
ble Gentleman (11Ir. ninke,,) alluded t“ tv
gene before him in
.thiS lvtrvest, and lot iti II little
to .gfeart ; their work teas net at all analogous to,
his—they acted on the degree, not oe the prin6
ple—they modified, but the *Honourable (.ientle-
. man introduced a pr:neiple new in the. COostit
two. To measure merit by time might do
enough in private life, or Where the duties of the,
'person were confined to Mere industry aed
eation ; bat when they looked to the larget:.taleuti
necessary for the highest- politicetl offices, and 'to "
the great siterifices often made--"to weigh such ta-
lents and sacrifices with refercire to the period.ot
service, was the most tinound principle tintt
lf
ailing
St,,ysteo:asetsoer:::
could be acted epon, and ,One• which .• 11
'of persons of the most
lon pre-
chrcle the public front h~
weretnooext
esio ari3troeratie rat
ude
•greaf talents froin high pOlit'eta
t ltns
tialtenrieilfYwbeecraliudspae they tali+;ht
lit .t[ooldt
e on, t...)
be to throw the whole power of the State into the:
hands of a few individuals of elevated rank: With
respect to the natronatre of th..

4*.
Mr. STEPIIRN explained.:
The GRANCELLOR. Of the EXCIIP,QIJM NUM}
bin:Melt:lWn sittlati fiosilewliat singular, being
ohliged to dissent f.roAl Alio opinion of all. his
friends, Who were iii:ound Tlic principle of
the pill c a ouipariSOlV . MVO cliGreht.
Lot conferring revv.trds upyn.ritose per. ons
,who deserved theai of the conatu: tntrported
13111, because he thought that it afforded the
lueittis of providing more effectually fur the 'reward

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cunAcon,Fen. learn frOm, Santa Mar-
tha; that on the sth ititt. the Carthaginians,
amounting to 20tH) •men, tinder the' anntuand of
General ,Von Pedro Lalretrtice, attack,ed. that
place, and after a trifling resistance,inatlethem7
selves masters of it. - The vessels,lying in the liar-
!vim. inunediately put to•sea with a great propOr•
tion 'cif the inhabitauts,•wilo wore reduced to the
greatest;distress.
John W 'rrotter, late'Secretarvio the late Mr.
Fi)x, Jane TrOtter (his. wife) :and- James M`Ma-.
»us, were, ott the 10th in“. at Wexford Assizes,
found guilty of tie rescue of Mr Trotter from
the custody of a'Slicriff's Bailiff,
_and of. an
sault and battery on the same, on the 29th of
Of-I-ober last at- Porter's gate,. in the county of
‘lexford.' M. Trotter made a very feeling. ad-
dreSs to the Court, jp which he expressed contri-
tion for lis rashness, which he ascribed to dis.
trictiOn of mind; in 'Consequence-of disappointed
hopes and ernbarrassed fortune. lie wa►s sea-
tr!ttced to a fortnight's imprisonment,. and the
tady was discharged.
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Tuesday .ev,eping an inquisition was taken at-
the White Swan Public House, Down-street; Pic-
cadilly, before. A. GELL, Esq. on view of the:bmy
of Mary Brown, a servant maid, who, irappeared
in eviOnce, had thrown herselfout at the winthiw
of a house in York-place, Baker;street,- that -.was
burnt down a short- time ..sineerand broke both
htc,:legs."fhe Jury returned a verdict of. Acci-
dental Death.

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