The Sun.
London, England, 1836-03-29 00:00:00

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reldiytical body ? Was it that they should be an
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is: if,
icib _
bad
behieleLwhhi:jeer:a
r,s
du tphi
reo s
?—( Loud cheers He would appeal to the
Site;_crP..tary for Ireland, whether he was not
on.. He had sat throughout the debate,
reason for this measure but the fanciful aria-
n ilae condition of England and Ireland. Let us,
dit !nee "• . and Learned Gentleman, have the same obe-
li' e tin,t° tl.le law in Ireland as in England, and then will be
bit time.
not for the same law, for that they have already__
of the same machinery for carrying that law into. opera.
of tli --(Cheering.) Why, to what an extent must this state
„pi atgs have arrived when the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
ace(' ..'sne (Mr. Shell), as appeared from the debate of a pre-
..ai .;!n.g event Sheil), as appeared from the debate of a pre-
Iti 0n-_.a gentleman of high character, and whose.
'7,
°vines rendered him fit for any constituency—at the peril of
0 ing his seat, was compelled to refuse, reluctantly, but still
,•i„iapelled to refuse, obedience to the law.—(Loud cheers.)
- Pell.ad one word more to say on a subject about which they
Romahadl beard a great deal—namely, that of the influence of the
n Catholic priests. He would now read one extract
I .141,?:_letter from Mr. Edward Fitzgerald to Mr. Vigors, the
I' g / had for Carlow. The extract was as follows :-
- °ad a lo.ag
le :resume' interview with the Bishop this day (nobody, 1
, I could doubt that it was a Roman Catholic Bishop)
a bg-e" entirely with Wallace, and he has caused a circular
IL 3n,e,,,,a_d'iressed to the different parish priests to ascertain
ee_
I am to.e nand in the county, and in the course of a wk ria It t• S. tuntnoit a meeting (private) of a few of the leading
Vh,;ch°
r• the county, with the clergy, to meet. at my house, at
you ,h__ neeting Wallace will be present ; in the meantime,
avonle,' aid be on the look out for candidates. The Bishop
'Nlty' ,'refer that you should be the person, on behalf of the
O'cor Snellat should apply to Raphael rather than alo -.....n,„ (as the Bishop says) to dispose of the county." eai.„. mid laughter and cheering followed the reading of thist
th,
,•; et.) Now he wanted to know whether they were not a • )111k of the people that belonged to that class who,.wh .
r cl rcular like that was sent would be influenced by their spin
z.eit.jraelissilePseurein: Was it right' that a spiritual superior should
power over the people ? And what object would
!us Bill effect but that of bindin.- the ties between them more
'"eselY? Was it the object of tliose who pressed forward this
• aneastu'e to induce the Catholic priest to assail the established
3-t?ilifi, nit of the country, and aim at the supremacy of the Ca-
,ofeet.' religion ? Looking at the wealth and the population
retola Protestants of Ireland, he did not believe that such. a
be I,___--t tvali possible. But, if it were intended, would it not
enzetter to say firmly to the Catholic at once,
.eq.ual laws,
o'li. litlstice equal rights and privileges you shall have, but
we P.
-":otestan'
Ir tChurch is. the Chutch by law established in
eial,V, and the Established Church it shall remain ?--(Loud
agitate g•) Tell them, then, this, and they might cease to
thu•-"te, meowing that agitation would be hopeless. He thought
that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had admitted that a
prudent statesman should not run the risk of evil without the
certainty
of.
alio_
dest'-°Y th 7ey torte purpose 2 He might be accused of wishing to
4a. e Corporations, but he felt bound to support the
•endrnent of his Hon. and Learned Friend.—( Loud cheers.)
wool"' SHEIL said that the speech of the Learned Member
, tho(1 have been an exceedingly powerful. one againstre Ca-
Par? etnalacipation, or against the extension to I land of
. Carried, it
Reform, but that those measurese_ havingpolicy
been
rarianceitwas preposterous to rely. upon ap li utterly at
The Ilan ith the principles on which they were founded.
the Gov Member had relied upon a. concession. made by
TheernMent respecting the administration of justice.
the aPPaintMent of this sheriffs had been transferred to
•arowt,
Hon. Member for Exeter,
1 e‘tahlish • This, said the
th. : ed a distinction between England and Ireland,. w_ehreree:
' itti,;ns'nee You have made this distinction, not abolish C p
4 ppoi a; altogether ? Hi,-•: (Mr. Sheil) should answer,. that the
,e Driaell"rient of sheriffs was an incident to the existence f 11:ci :ate bodies, and not one of its elements; that Irelanda
111 ier•at'ltar_e,quire .an exact identity. in every particular, but .
-101ila I,""nilation--that she did not ask. that. all the details
'4,11a10,„r the same, but that the principles should be
14 I's' ' che the architecture of the edifice, but let
-orereend ation 4 g ,
o p I control remain untouched. Although
In,litCeoe;ll,o•trsatoiofn.'slusPtis'ieuvaaenrrinfluence will cease to be exercised
Corporations a safe and salutary
tioa of e will ,tIIT ttecexercised by the people. Thenomitnae-
el,are of iheriffs is taken away, but much is left behind. ;• ho_
tue 4 direl. ;'t of local concerns, the guardianship f
a, „I'll') lie T, '.- Y
1:14.'a tt t„ • rene .e, the' security and convenience of -public
l'etzea - ImPrfrition of taxes, their apportionment and ctohle-
Rtt„ , and tl '
,- (a o , i'a management of
itcorporate property. s ,
'Pazt y h -.0 nsequence ? Try by this test, the Drapers
esee
~ . estates Londonderry;
pro
P° '4v''' in
°Pao 1n0Co that Company to transfer their estates. to the
the, lac !th would such
'et''' ' w a suggestion be received ?
.How
Jr passedi 1, the, is the project to leave to English
.Corporations
th‘si
,S,t's
~rstates, and to strip. Irish Corporations of their
eetrat. ,sf • I (said Mr. Shell) acknowledge that I regard
as -lea h el' of the right to nominate sheriffs as not only. a con_n-
tea !f. 1
cti saerific:; and I, .
for one, would not acquiesce i
11eLlet ded: tcot feel that something, nay, that much, ought to
rit:44 Iv In. order to adjust those. questions without the set-
el
1 ilt ,pei- which peace in Ireland is Impossible and
etaprospe-
enl et, ass; and if, after this step towards a compromise has
irl le mtarily taken by the Government,.the Bill shall. be
oat, e, „,rejected,
.orthere
t re
.what.
the ,
.'the-mast repudiate, and if, by this expedient (for it is
shall
1,1 abuses of Corporations, the vitiation of justice,
'a atler
;
the , I.le of corporate revenues, and political profligacy,
aft; . d ,i, Perpetuated, the people of .
ought to '
England will know
st tab."s"e blame of that scandalous continuance. i
anxious, at j far ~,, will determine between the men who are
ti ."•, it is .
of aloes Practicable, to extend the benefit of British in-
h ' hose ' and those who had so long and minute a cognizance '
1' :t, nil abases never applied to them a remedy , and at '
0 4 al, •en with impunity they can no longer 'be pal_- 1
'lt •14 nr 141. ,oljti_ der to escape correction have recourse to mock
e' eh °ll and send up to the House of Lords a project to
al the'ai
ar aee Commons of England, Ireland, .
4, the only and Scotland never
1)11 tulle"e• I turn from the details of this question
thisto the
allbeen _ one, on which
ia, that treated. All that has been said against the opposition to Bill. I
this Bill,
14 ceioujetts been insidiously insinuated, boldly stated,
lea
Pea, y inferred, and against " old friends and col-
is
It '"rtiallat"e,nttirneliously quoted, can, into a very short and
ve ;i 441 tl7 familiar phrase, " No Popery," be condensed.he..
-e
NU t4t 11 we are once armed with power, we shall
11`• ! e3(ampise' afhitrary, and oppressive—that we shall follow
Li `trestants fg:lren us—and that, by a Catholic combination,
~e 1 ,shire niara4nt corporations will be excluded. It is not a
" could' Nob e that two Noble Lords, the Members for Lan-,
/ as,_,, h„ 4, and South, who have touched on this topic,
: a-teb"oit? tioeirenian.Catholics at the. election,. have been pro-
' 'ho• et ill coustituents. But it will be suggested that
hay at ,h England and Ireland are very different. I
You
sie.. aere, h Popery was ever
you will ob-
i ' at
T'
in y latitude the same.
Tirt ~rt, am . oWever, a very different priesthood,
.nit',Tiglan,llll Ireland you fear a sacerdotal ascendancy, which
Orged ;... Yon have no reason to apprehend. Nomantehoes
tian the `ll°l.e eloquently and pathetically upon this pie
fromaa h 4ion. Member for Cumberland. That night
.thns
Baronet Member relieved from those nautical occupations
addqer ived%/1 formerly the illustrations of his eloquencewere. nr_.there 3.8 reeemtly taken to the consolations of religion
ot,ion,
that treason to apprehend, from the of his late
tilt: !ox,eut. hat ex-first Lord of the Admiralty has sought
doe Inglis 00,,artyrs" a manual of legislation, and that he reads
tvh•liet believe`"e times by the light of the Smithfield fires. I
lelt i that the speeches of the Catholic priests to
he I the, has referred are accurately reported an i! I ateuestho"to consider them as affording grounds for increasing
ler;4Y4o,34tbs, and for establishing a higher class of rhetoric
Is h4tive r•-' But mark the inconsistency between the Con-
fornl-es eeZesering and assertion. We arc told that there
Con-
t' Yet all on between parliamentary and municipal re-
la cond the arguments against municipal elections from
d • act ef
it ertveo. the Catholic clergy on parliamentary elections
ati:jaalo I
,Now, if the argument were good for anything,
N, PBl in_ean to the abolition of parliamentary, not of. mu-
t h:tee
etahartotions. For my own part, I avow the inter-
lan 'gene msts at elections if it gratifies the Noble Lord
al:, arlotet; for Lancashire,' and the Member for Cumber-
cin.4Y iliterfte..will
.add, that in no instance did the Catholic
A ep-' the Ref 'e with more effect than in 1831, in order to
ea ele nifiorm Bill, when those Honourable Gentlemen
' e4l office •and I
till rater ( those do not, I own, recollect that on that
ell
ta '3' farl:asistance to which the Government, of which
)411;.!arot ne4„. k.part, were indebted. They were silent on
NI -`0 atAi's ItielPle on which the Conservatives upon Coi:-
%elle t° Pale: 4° long held their tongue. But how does it
Virttrl tnaral 4,11'4 the Catholic priests enjoy a monopoly of
Nan es ina• el• ? Have not the landlords some claim to their
tato; Yof th 'gnation ? They denounce what they call the. ty-
e44 °ate 11,riestbood ; but when they see whole families
"re. -•eg, .4
hundreds from their hovels--women without
for ''' as ,af hand children without food, to perish—for these
alelect hese ir,ernan wretchedness have they no compassion? And
l' bons h'esera.ble m who to these terrible expedients after
t ~ale recoursee,llhave they no indignation ?
.But after
there etparg,Oct of the priests at Parliamentary elections have
ftal,l bet, eections has nothing to do. What connection is
" ono :ell tithes and borough-rates, between Cormation-
bili ,1 efeueetirensanguined treasure of the Church?. On a mu.-
Poh,„ t . to a,. "11, I cannot conceive any one question by possi-
-I'4 'cal, ~''se on which the priesthood can take the least
that anient•aersenal, or any other imaginable concern. But in
Mhie detestaU elections what is at stake? The abolition of
a,a has le in;post which has drenched Ireland in blood—
alllhie ?,0, mkiPrenvdeureed atrocities. from which. every feeling of hu-
e, , tight , y sentiment of' religion are abhorrent, and
?leer atieo to Make certain religious men whom I see before
re' that Pn'ti and pray to God every night, before they
feire., St oe .ar Rathcorrnac they ' may be forgiven. Inter-
aeikt. Ctions ,
t'i 1 3 ill Uri"' Who broke. achieved
' Yes •thei Were-the men who
jes.
.. down the power of the er _
14. tar:tlyetecraf_?ral,_ annihilated the . Fosters in Louth, and
~et lesjaPid Peasant"
the Clare election. Led on by. them
e 't et into
witht''asantry rushed to the hustings wilt' the
IIN I ?Not, which Irish soldiers precipitifte them-
i'd%
.1101riatiollneorbr.e,aeeh, drove Toryism from its h.'old, and of the
ti,
vet
urt.the tsrannleir country planted the irn:aioveable stand-
noble. c-au-se they
of rRY of li the tithe
, thet_ 1r00,.., question shallP..evotedly persevere.
'414 y h griev au intermit theia ' justly adjusted will the
)'clai 0 refe °flees to Nal • .... efforts to achieve the redress
1,, litreOo ea rrea. p
..,ice the disturbed state of Ireland
al 4e to • aut you that talk of the Irish clergy, have
11 tater (1),„s„- Look at home? Do your priesthood never in
Vtvl I,l_ 117110 Ines interpose. I ask the Hon. Member for
Vas ,erneth,3l,"as read a letter from a Catholic Bishop of Car-
t Iseeorred to the
the Bishop of Exeter he bas ever heard? He
"4 61' is.'Ct.4l,-' the Popish Doctor Nolan—has he no reason
" -.le p `"e Protestant Doctor Phillpotts ? That Learned
,cotin4ot s,rpr:sl.ot,e. admire for his great talents, but surely they
niea 'a assoc.* Ms political zeal, which with his religious erne-
/
is 4: for the late&
All that I ask is, that allowance should be
ata,„.raateri atholic Bishop on one hand, by these whose cause
' If tahlY Promoted by the Protestant Prelate upon the
e Intimidation committee contains evidence as