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London, England, 1809-03-17 00:00:00

MUTINY BILL.

On the second reading of the Mutiny Bill;.the
Duke of NoarbLx complained of the pra&ice that
had ltitely oh wined of delaying important Bills until
the Session was so far advanced, or .the period of
theii- expiration so near, that the passing of them
became unavoidable. This was not treating the
'louse fairly. Reasonable time for consideration
and discu,sion on every Bill should be allowed. It
was not his intention to throw any obstacle in the
WaY 'of this Bill, but he understood there were
-some alterations in it which he wished for time to
euhstder. He moved, therefore, that these altera-
'ons be printed.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL agreed as to the proprie-
1Y or the .bservation made by"the Noble Duke. kle
trusted: however, that he would not persist in hiS
motion, as the pri-.:ting of the papers might occasion
torte delay, and prevent the Bill from receiving the
/top! Assent previous to the 25th instant, when the
present Bill would expire.. He could assure the
Noble Duke, there was nothing improper or dan-
gerous in these alterations. They were merely in
furtherance -of the general objed of the Bill.
After
a few words from the Duke of Nottiout.
and Lord AuCKLANI), the former withdrew his mo-
tion, •

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Carl GREY oblierved, that previous to the discus-
sion on the condud of the campaign in Spain and
Portugal, it was deSirable that every information con-.
netted with the subject should be laid before the
11°0e. There was a paper of some consequence,
a letter from Mr. Frac to Sir John Moore, which
ha wished to be laid before the House, and for the
prbdu6tion of which be proposed to bring forward a
motion onto-morrow seinnight, for which.day he
tVolild move that the Lord's be summoned.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL. stated, that the letter was
Merely a private communication ; that no copy of
it had been transmitted by Sir J. Moore, nor was it
alluded to in any dispatch from 'that Officer. 'He
"mild, therefore feel it incumbent on him to resist
the Motion. After a short reply from Earl GREY;
it wns drdered that the Lords be summoned on the
day mentioned. ,
The Earl of flticxt G lIAMSII/nE, after a short pre7
fate moved for copies of the instructions .relating to,
the formation of a Regency in Portugal, transmitted
from Lord Castlereagh to Sir Hew Dalrymple. He
also moved for copies of alt Corresponuenee be-
tween his Majesty's Government and the Portuguese
Minister residing at this Court, relating to the same
alibied,
The Early of LIVERPOOL could not accede to the
hidtion of the Noble,Eatl. There might be great

public tnoriVenienee in the production of these
rtPeri• He trusted' that it would answer the Noble
s rirVose, to receive his assurance that Ministers
bvuweu ,these initrations. His Majesty re-con-
tittered the kingdom of Portugal, not fur 'himself,
but for his ally; the
Queen of Portugal and the
Prince Regent.
Whatever Government was esta=
blished, was merely provisional, and it wouldbe for
the Court of Rio Janiero to make what alteration
they pleased in it.
A disscussion 'of some length followed. The mo-
tion was supported by, Loads Gart, SIDMOUTH,
il'RskiNE, and ROsSLYN,and opposed by Lords HA R-
Itow BY and .MIJ LORAIIB. • Upon the -question., being
put, the motion was negatived.--Acjounied till to-
morrow.

ROUSE OF COMATOAS.
THURSDAY, MARCH 16.

Mr. presented a petition from the Debtora
confined in the Marshalsea prison of Dublin, praying
for relief:—Ordered to lie upon the table;
Mr. Hollingsworth (Secretary to Greenwich Hog•
pital) presented at the Bar a copy of the SuPplemeu-
tal Charter for the Said Hospital Ordered tb lie
upon the table.
A Bill was brought up to permit the ImpOrtation
of Tobacco into Great Britain from any part of the
,World.—Read a first. titne, and ordered for a second
leading to-morrow.
The Report on the Expiring Laws Continuing
Bill was read, and ordered to be committed for to-
Morrow.
The Jamaica Free Part Bill was committed, and
the Report ordered to be received to-morrow.
The North American Fishery Bill was cornmitted,
and the. Report ordered to be received to-morrow.
Upon the motion of Mr. FOSTER, 111 c committee
on the Irish Malt and Spirits Bill was postponed for
'Tuesday next, as he conceived that the Duke of
York's Business was fairly intitled to precedence.
A .Message from the Lords announced their as=
sent to the Child Murder Bill, Sugar Drawback and
itiVst Additional Bounty Bills, %Vial some others.
'Leave of absence was &sante,' to Messrs. Leigh
'end leycester, in order to enable them to go their
respective circuits.
he Cape of Good Hope
,Trade Bill was read a
third time, and passed.
General GAS:COYNa presented a Petition from the
Merchants concerned in.the Ati-ican Trade, praying
for sortie compensation, in consequence of the Abo-
lition of the biavi, Trade •
The BerMuda Spirits Bill. was read a third tithe,
and passed.
Sir A. WuLuny/ moved fora Committee on the
Irish Militia Bill on Thursday next. His objet in
thistclOtiott was, that previous to the volunteering
into the line from the Militia of Ireland, the House
may adopt some
7 latter
regulations tin- the manila' of the
force, which would be necessary to enter upon
before , the; Easter recess, as about` that period the
' volunteering would take place. -
Sir JOHN NEWPOIiT was of opinion, that this Bill
required a more mature consideration than possibly
GOuld be paid to it at . that 'time proposed by the
Iti4lit Honourable Gentleman. He knew of abuses

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it a ghat extant in the measures reioried to
for the Con*!elicit) of the Irish Militia. Sums of
money hart been eaid by individuals to the Parishei,
foi the purchase of substitutei, and he saw that
those sums were not generally applied, in the Man-
tier intended that they Should.
Sir A. Wunia'Snay .and Mr. G. CANNING Made
ibrite obiert,iatiOns in reply. The latter asserted, that
in several instances the Parishes were out of pocket
by;t he Militia levi'es.
Sir J. Nawroar said, that such may be the case
in Parishes where no Gentlemen of property re-
sided, but it was the contrary where they did.
The motion for the Committee on Thursday next
Was then put, and agreed to.
The House went into a Committee on the New-
foundland Judicature Bill ; and the Report '.was Or-
'dered to be received to•;morrow.,
The House having resumed, the Resolutions of
the Committee on the Expiring Laws Perpetual Bill
were read, and agreed to.
The Report' of the Sugar Wash Duty Bill was
briaught up, and the resolutions of the Committee
were read, and agreed to.
The Land-Tax Commissioners Bill was brought
up, read a first time, and ordered for a second read-
ing to-morrow.
Mr. BANlCtS'moved for an Account of the Bank
Notes, Bank Post Bills,' and &Exchange, cir-
culated by the Bank of England, during the last
year, and also for an Account of the same circu-
lated by the Bank of Ireland during the same pe-
riod, with amount of circulation in each guar=
ter, •He al ,:o moved for an Account of the Exemp-
tion 0- Foreigners front Duty on Property, Bank
and India Stock, Sex.- with the amount for the year
past.
Mr. R. WARD rose to make some observations on
what had fallen front an Honourable Baronet (Sir
C. Pole) on a former evening, respecting the in-
crease of emolument to Pay-Captain, at Marines,,
and some new naval regulations. The Hon. Baronet
had stated that their labours and compensation were
not at all proportionate. But the Hon. Baronet per-
haps did not know that the persons selcded for such
situations, were generally men who were unfit for
other service. Their duties were by no means bur-
thensame. It was not required that. a Pay-Captain
of Marines.sbould serve atloat, or even aboard. The
only case in which their attendance on board was re-
quired, was whenever Courts Martial took place.—
Under such circumstances
,he did nut imagine the
provision made for t hose Officers was at all defedive.
With reiped to the,dedudions from the pay.t f Ma•
rine Officeri, they were applied, he said, to Chelsea
HOSpitali and the same benefits resulted to the Offi- ;
cers Of-Alarines, as to the Officers of the Army front
such, application, Whatever dedudiun was made
from the pay, of Marine Privates, was applied to
Greenwich Hospital, and they were benefited in the
same manner by it as the Navy. Sonic stoppage in
a Marine Officer's pay was given generally to the ,
ciaminissioncrs Of the Widows' Pensions, for the
Army : and of consequence, the 'Widow of a Ma-
rims Officer derived the sante advantage from that
. fund as the Widow of an Officer in the Army would.
The lion. Member said, that in his opinion the re-
tired Officers of Marines were, in every way, on the
same footing with those in the Arm)%‘.
Sir C. POLE said, that the Marine Pay-Officers
had, in general, accounts with all the men. There

were 30,000 Marines, and therefore it seemed to
him that the trouble of the Pay-Captains must be
Very considerable. In the Marine Artillery, each
'Captain had an addition of two shillings per day, for
the paying of his own company alone. The Officers
whom he considered to be greatly aggrieved, namely,
the Marine Officers, were senior Captains, who
would, perhaps, were it not for the slow progress
of promotion, be now Majors. The Country, he
conceived, should feel bound to make an addition to
the pay of those men, who were known only by
their brilliant services. The dedudions from the pay
Of Marine Officers amounted to the annual inn) of
V,7001. and were not applied, he was convinced, to
the purposes which were stated.
Mr. IL WARD made' some addditional obser-

Cations.
Mr.. CALCRAT was of opinion, that a separate
Widows' liund and Compassionate List ought.tn be
established for the Marines. The complaints which ,
had been made should, in his opinion, be redressed.
Mr: W. POLE maintained, that both the Ho-
nourable Baronet and the Honourable Gentleman op-
posite (Mr. Calcraft), 'were under a misconception.
He asserted, that the advantages derived from the
Widows' List, in the Marines, were equal to those
derived by the Army. The Hon. Gentleman was cer-,
Lain that the Marine Officers did not contribute to
Greenwich Hospital, and were not consequently be-
nefited by it. But the Marine Privates did, and they
were benefited in an equal degree with the
Navy, of course. The establishment of Pay-Cap-
tains to the Marines had its origin in Lord St. Vin-
cent, on the principle of its tending to produce men,
who, when they became Commanders of Divisions,.
would be entirely acquainted with the accounts.—
. Upon no nilwr pnneiple did the Noble Lord' insti-
tute tuch Officers. The Honourable Member obr
served, that when a similar memorial to the present,
from the retired Officers, was presented to the Hen.
Baronet, while in office, his answer was, " If they
are not satisfied let them take the sea-roaster." - It
• was extremvly unjust, he thought, that they should
be more eotutortaule titan their active brethren.—
He stated it to be th.e intention of the present Ad;
miralty, that the pro Visions for the Widows and
Orphans of the Marines and the Navy should be,
.completely on the same footing With those for the
saute purpose in the Army.
•A short conversation took place between Colonel
Hutchinson; Mr. IL Ward, and Mr. W. Pole, on
the subject.
Colonel BASTARD hoped chat the same harsh ans-
wer would not be made by the present Board of Ad.!
Miralty to the MeMorial before them, as was by
that to which the Hoit. Baronet, his friend, had be-
longed.
Mr. CALCRAFT rose to explain.
Sir C. PoLE. denied ever having received the petir
tiOn which had been alluded to. •
The Order of the Day be 11.% read,' the House
went into a Committee on the Royal Marine Mutiny
Bill ; several amendments were agreed to,' and the
Report ordered to be received to-morrow.
Mr.'Husa.LssoN moved, in the Commttee of Sup-
ply, for an account of the amount of interest on Ex-
chequer Bills."—The House then adjourned.