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)I?dia in twelve months at the moat. Having stated his
v'e,ws, he had ,- to thank the House for the attention
With he had he
1162 been listened to. The measure which
I,,io:o.,,rrntaPn°Bed was one to which he perhaps attached more
ee than would be attributed to it by others. H,
bo esu upon the colonies as valueless, r
unless they were
und to the mother country by identity of interests and
cecrprocal advantages. If means could be devised to effect
Such a union, lie thought it would be productive of the
7gt,eal best advantages to both.—(Hear.) The measure
~t he Proposed would he, he thought, more beneficial
" the British public, t!,on even to the colonies themselves.
It Would lead to the Reform of many abuses in the go-
''ernment of the colonh R, by which the commerce of this
country. Was irijuriously affected. It would lead to an
tn..p.orta.rit. diminution.
of the colonial expenditure ; and,
~Y iontiliating the people, it would relieve this country
'r"trt the burthet of siipporting large military establish-
4!ntti
I aMongst them. Alto Ugh he should move that a
e-ithe, ernbra i g h's plan, should bo introduced into
Isthiej . Bill noes: in i
progress . through the House, yet if
nistera ould consent to take subt into
their own w
hands, lie should leave itt toe them.jec Or he
ittfoulti be willing to have a separate Bill introduced ; and
till Committee of three were appointed to prepare such a
' he would undertake to submit to tl e House a ritea-
Idtli:teuXiich would carry his proposal into
. effect, without
these "ig any interests whatever. It might be said that
lis, colonies which have already domestic Legislatures,
8.,_ °,l etainn to he represented in the British Parliament.
df it was to be recollected that they were subject to two 4-rent kinds of leeislation, one of which respected their
external
arrangements and the other regulated their whole
so—u`crirtnrtl.l in.teresto andi
their. intercourse
. with the mother
liit /i with other colonies, and with foreign
. nations.
.
w. 5„ legislation of the latter kind was that in which he
4"e'l to give them some voice. It had hitherto been so
rteldueted
m as almost to ruin many of them.—(liear.)
hats:- often been admitted that the
.Crown
.c,olonies,
tseg,no domestic legislature, were entitled to itprese.n-
th t'n the British Parliament. But it appeared to him
t 04- not °nly this, but all the other colonies, had a right
ss,., separate legislation for the management of their in-
snd''',' &freaks, and for the controol of their local taxation;
rspren,ad also a right to be beard in that. House' by their
thet, entatives upon all subjects of legislation by which
j,.et' were affected in common with all other British sub-
gise-'4--I.((flear, hear.) The lion. Member, having apolo-
risd exult so long occupying the attention cf the House,
tlOO airned that he did not then intend to press the ques-
itm to a division, concluded by moving, " That t b e an
iti.'kructi°n to the Committee upon the Reform Bill to
tot'a Provision for the return to that House of Members
kz_ePresent the Coloni s and Foreign Possessions of li.s
iT' "
15i.,5 Marquis of CHANDOS seconded the motion.
tr,,,, ' LABOUCHERE said it was not his intention to
hi,,,,Pa," long upon the House. He was sure the lion.
diCuer for Middlesex would acquit him of levity or in-
-.(lince to the interests of the North American colonies
that lear' bear)—when he assured the Hon. Gentleman
a dire' had strong, indeed insuperable objections, to give
to rho representation in the British House of Commons
st,ll, se colonies.
(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman
h (x5l to think that his plan was altogether novel ; but
.'Ater`l`c. Labouchere) could show him that it was not so.
Planlrke had entertained some notion of a very similar
f 1,,: 't the same great authority not only abandoned
las '
Plan hi the
but gave a complete answer to all sirni-
Ltaopoitions in the words—" Posuit natura."—( Hear,
f`,l4 )t, It was impossible that countries so far separated
lielhe'ngland could be effectually represented in that
tolotli• It was impossible that a Member from the
iicit at" could discharge their double duties. They could
re the the same time give proper attention, as part of the
rt,ttitentativiss of tile whole empire, to the general inte-
their°l the country, and also the necessary attention to
olotli'lthordinate duty of promoting the interest of the
lent t. It would be quite as improper that gentlemen
°1 thi:cit: the colonies should vote for the taxation
Should (nuntrY, as that the House of Commons here
rho„ regulate the local taxation of the colonies. He
sittilg''t that twenty gentlemen from the colonies
eitre'l:F in nt that House would form a little knot,
isr,,,ln'ng together to carry some one particular
d
They
ouid 4 totally indifferent about every other.
o he at the &spell of every Minister, and ready
to tZer ari a body into a compact with the Minister
arsoZ ettecti that if he supported them on. some
tlir a' question they would support him, in re-
lies',ul).nn every other occasion.—( Hear, hear, hear.)
ttbialeliria,tted that there was some weight in the objections
:I,4,l'jteet ofdthbeen urged, and' the complaints made on the
,61°' count at want of representation of the colonies in
,:'"ich those r'
but he thought much of the ground upon
bthe furthest
I,44led,tingt'bjections and complaints rested would be de-
etter foW!rn the system of colonial agency placed upon a
than it had ever yet been placed. He was
countr.,,, in the world from wishing that the mother
tokttie, 8110111 d interfere with the internal regulation or
ttgibi ' ; for it would be utterly impossible to find. a
fir she4ture at home possessing the information requisite
It bed tound and good government of a distant colony.
Would Wo been said, that Parliament
was omnipotent;t_hie
s add that it was not omniscient; and that upon I ''!iject
Alit,,,, of colonial policy and regulation,
. it had corn-
tho:n the greatest blunders. Having said so much upon
different
bran to
;
11 P.eN, he should now address himself to a
dt,,th-eirrohf.thi,e,gsur.ject—he meant the importance attached.
att4rUssion of greatthe assistance
and ini po important net
oloni
ImperialalAlenibers in the
questions—an.
siprance which, though he was far from undervaluing,
It appear to him not to be required in that House. As
.11Z WI they had assembledwithin those walls the best and
, .
of
1,,, 'est portion the British nation, he had no appre-
tihs4k4in hut that a high sense of their duty would at all
>t es induce them to advocate colonial interests, and leave
ts Ise to he wished for upon that point. If it were so,
lisete, Presumed would not he doubted, he scarcely ex.
4,, ei4 that they would want the assistance of colonial
10;11")ers upon any other subjects. He had heard it said that tiiii4,l(ing so great a change in the representation of the kek,,.Y, as by the present Bill it was p-oposed to effect,
th, great ought to be taken for giving representatives to
to ~,t't'tt Moneyed and banking interests of the country,
tioo-t.ttO.grant some substitute for the virtual representa-
It4t -"lch the Bill went, to destroy. That was a subject
ht stisll -
t elm / connected with the quwstion which the Hon.
''r h'e„c for Isliddlesex hail brought under consideration,
isat4u,:" had reference to 'what was called indirect repre-
ttlist ibi"• He confessed hirnself' one of those who thought
t:Ples,rletger,ea.t moneyed and banking interests ought to. be, 4 e,r u n to that House, and represented without bribery
jibes; Pt'°n• He never could be brought to think that
tae ,f.atnid corruption were necessary to the reepresenta-
,lve Age 'moneyed interests in that House. Ten or,
tirt.%le l! , sent in from that class wool Ihe a very.
th '''t (lir addition to that House ; but as to the plan of
5 ritrs,, cet representation to the colonies, he entertained
kr Rest objection to it.
141, . $F .objection
DOUGLAS •
AI 't of w said, that in the present
ii:riih, f "le and sweeping change, the plan of the lion.
o'lll'orsat c't Middlesex was a subject of the very highest
eo "se-indeed an • thing that related to a branch of
thi) n unmet ,• , ) tiotirs,oo ton Witten employed 4,580
. ships, tonnage
NI !if 0,11, ' In whatever point of view the great ques-
i Nei., (otonial produce and government came to he
iiiereher `, it
It tvas impossible to doubt that the
. Hon.
it,tiss*ltt°l Middlesex had done perfectly right in bring-
kit:-•ord althe Present motion.
t) ' the d THORP would neither go into the principle
sloillsime)etari,rl of th. e proposition made by his lion. Friend
toutstrlss w• 'Ol illiddle•ex. It was so perfectly clear that
`Fold es the nature contemplated hy his Hon. Friend
a,t)°,li.ild ,•‘:tc.!): introduced inthe present measure,
.that he
ki.+ 444)7 xte the time of the House by saying one
Its'et epiti4trs adoption. They had now been in Collod-
,tslsfest,ti Pe Reform Bill for more than a month,
. an.
hol.„„nd eo,i,,intself enable to comprehend how his lion.
,IN leti.,t4ll" unagine the possibility of such a clause being
tt 1•Polts„ ecli, ' When the importance of the colonies
otitiboe,e-ornitiLl_le felt that Le should be the last man in
,hie ~ ett i,,,_ "e country to dissent from such a sentiment,
k...7ll4‘,ltfrortance did not in the slightest degree remove
C. 474 ioto ~l)t. introducine such a clause as had been pro-
tl's ,tllstnarqtei. nil], Which, upon the showing of the Hon.
Dth aute i "l'el, Was already complicated enough. If
L 5ti1.,41.
7 tlo etas:
ilani.(tlooe.stion were attempted to be introduced,.
% ad t_ it would speedily follow, and there would
kit! thitt
ih_qtt,._ t°Letil:rabli_sineess of the Committee. The fact
Le 12,''inias tht Prfte I Clause
.had been used. as an argu-
rd'' osh ioolsed
.' general provisions of the Bill; and whe-
-I;rl,!yer pointaroo the clause as creating increased delay, or
0' el) 4 tno,t Lf view, he could not but regard its ten-
si,l osoti hostile ts, the great measure of Reform.—
tap 'eh h trams i.
,fire, enter into the question then,
.for,
k Nt' 5 lio shut causing to Ministers that delay ''' '44) • I"ucil a
this
Iv aldt.,"--dl,l „ deprecated But be would put ,
Os ,11:1,.to the House suppose the clause moved
. could
tittist,hlert ti,tet't e tnt Bill? and if so, did they think that
,Ntes,,, the tiou° Propose it? He should not be induced
sti;lr s.ktY di se, longer, for his object was to prevent
th ere lAL'ecul.'".
'it , Pre °LAI • 4 'ON rientat. said that the colonies ought to re-
,'t 11, l Ives, to
eti ill i repreB conipensate them for the loss of
1,,,t ,e 4(5: the N_e,ntation of which they were deprived by
oit 4: 11%,.. °4le was said tbe motion the • 11;11"`it be v Iral Introduced with a hostile intention;
'the
sob Pried that it exposed a great defect in
nbievt or the colonies ought most certainly