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regular ortiter, he should beg leave first to reply to
what had fallen from the last Gentleman, and so
to proceed from the bottom to the top. The last
Hon. and Learned Gentle.van (Mr. Saeksoo had
attached great weight: to the opinions of those
men who were in favour of his argument, but ap-
peared to treat as of no weight -the opinions of
Ministers, aided by the advice and experience of.
the Boards, of Excise and Castoms. ne.did not
believe that such Boards would,, out of mere coin-
laisance, deliver opinions contrary to their own
jodgment and knowledge of the matters referred
to them. An Hon. Director had retied on it as
the foundation of his argument, ihat the trade to
and from India could pothe increased—'
GRANT said, in explanation, that what
he had said was, that there could be no material

increase.
Theßev. Mr. Tntutw tsi.L, and one or two other
Proprietors, spoke to order. They conceived that
Mr. Hume. was disorderly in entering into a ge7.
acrid reply instead of explanation.
The CHAIRMAN, however, havMg: desired him
to proceed,
Mr. Hush: resumed.' He'denied altogether any
irregularity, as the rule that he had hitherto bb-,
served, was strict submission to the Chair.' He
then re-asserted his former statement, and con-
tended that Mr. Grant was wrong in not having
made the allowances that were necessary for the
Indian duties Which would in many cases have
been of themselves profit enough for a private
trader. lie also contended, that from his own
shewing, the trade of India had been.a. losing one
to the Company, if those deductions had been
made. As to the totton which was stated to be.
unsold in the. Conipany's warehouses, it was not.
more than half of one year's consumption, nor,
the indigo more than a'' third. This appeared to
'him to be no very serious quantity, and it had not
appeared what was the quality of those goods
which remained unsold, or what were the prices
asked for them. An Hon. Proprietor (Mr. Davis)
had stated,. that he could have obtained tonnage
from the Company for 5000 tons. any time these
ten years. This was a statement which ought not
to go to the
,public unanswered. It laid been;
proved, that a very serious expellee bad been in-
curred by the private traderS for, demurrage; and,
he Would appeal to any person concerned in the
agency of ships, whether there had not been many
instances in which they had applied for tonnage
.without being able, to procure it.
,Mr. Davis then rose, and spoke for some time
in. explanation.
Mr.. JACKSON spoke to order, and thought it not
right to attempt to bear down an individual by
such frequent interruptions. , Mr. Davis, or any
other Gentleman, might explain when the speech
ended ; hut it. was not one speaker
.out of a hun-
dred who could preserve the chain of his reason
ing amidst such repeated interraptious,
lit/ME then ploceeded to advert to the
speech of Mr. Robert Grant, 1010 had called his
facts irrelevant and inconclusive. This expres-
sion had been received with great applause from
the Court, althOugh the Himourable Gentleman
had prudently abstained from meddling With any
of those facts. He, had called "The Edinburgh
Review ' an abusive pablication; ansi, he had
censured it for arguing now from any, thing which
had taken place in-1788. The Hon. Gentleman
had, however, himself taken the very same
coarse,. and load, argued from the abuses in the
Slave Trade, and even so far bark as froni the ir-
regularities in India in Lord Clivv's tinfe, against
'the merchant: of Liverpool anti Bristol at the pre-
sent day. lie admired, as much as any other
man, the line, flowery, and metaphorical lan-
guage of that 4onourable Propriltor; but he had
misrepresentated him much, in stating that his
opiaion was, that the eXtension of the trade would
be iinboun :led, and consequently the intercourse
betwe n the natives and Europe ins would be tin-
bounded: He had conceived that the trade would
be much increased, but he did not consider that
thiS. increase would he unbounded. As to all the
eViIS which had been imagined front the Govero-
merit u.king the adminiStration into its own hands,
his answer was, that Government had not propos-•
ea to do any such thing. .Another Mon. Proprie-;.
tor bad said, his speech was fitter, for the meri-
dian' of Liverpool than for that Court. He wended
ask,.however, bun' a speech, which rested entirely
on facts within their, knowledge, respecting the
tratle'to media, could be irrelevant in that Court ?
'One Gentleman had called hint the organ.of Lord
Buckinghamshire and the' Ministers. Did that
Gentleman nista consider Mr, Waldman as the
'organ of Ministers in the Cinninon Connell ?--
That Gentleman had taken a part upon this occa-
sion, which, be 'thought, had done him infinite
honottr: (inc Gentleman had said, that not a
thirtieth part of his speech' was relevant to the
question, and yet had expressed tt,great-desil'e
that the whole should 'be published. He must
own; he could notteteeiVe how a speech so irre-
levant as it had been describeif cOuld he of service
either'to one side or the other. He would indeed
confess, that he Was an ungrateful'man (as had
been hinted), if, having been long in the giervice
of the Company, he 'was now to be their enemy.
Lie disdained the imputation which had been cast
against hint on this point. He was no enemy to
the Company, but their true friend. If any Mi-
nisters were now to wish to take theirtrade, or
their territory from them, there was no man who
would be it moeezealous advocate for their rights
than be would be. The present Ministers, bow.
ever, had attempted no such 'thing. The peti-
tioners had only requested_ to.be allowed to parti-
cipatein that part: of the trade which he thought
be bad demonstrated to be a losing one, and
which would appear to be a losing one; even
from the statement of .the Hommiable Director,
(Mr. Grant), if those deductions which ought
fairly to be made were taken frotir it. He wished.
that the Company should 'flourish as a tree, under
whose refreshing. shade the populatinn of India
might find protection; but wishing well to the
tree, he ,thought that the skilful 'knife of the
pruner might in this .case be exerted without in-
juring its luxuriance. :lli Itrguttient about the
increase of the' Americatt trade wits this
the.consmercial world absolutely required so much
of Indian 'produce, and that if the Americans had
Pot bega allowed to supply them, British Mer-
chants would bait tulle it.
The question was then put on Mr. Hume'S