The Sun.
London, England, 1813-03-03 00:00:00

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' peared from a document transmitted to Pstiori-
parte when in Spain, by Fein:lie, ' who was at the
head of the Police of France. .In that dosamere-
Fondle stated his opinion, that ail ditilsuides
' from. Spain and Austria would be surmounted, if
no violence was donesto the_Pope, and throngh
him to the Catholic people.; and until Austria was,
subdued; Bnonaparte actednp to the spirit of this
advice ; lie . afterwards relaxed from it, until his
misfortunes in Russia, and ,then again lie had yes
course to the coisduct recommended .by Fmtche.
By the late concordat, the Pope received a revenue
of about .80,0061. per annum, with .other privi-
leges, for which he agreed tai divest 'himself of all
authority over France. This slimed the extent
of that. power from tvhich it wits said they need
apprehend no chrager:, He•would put it to-the
House whether when such a-power was under' the
ltdltieuce of France-, it would not 'be 'necessary
to guard against
.it.. The CatholicS ought to
feel that they had at coniinon interest with them
in providing, `ngainst such a .power. 'With-
out that ' it would not be right tai stir a step
in the way of concession, The general con-
duct of the Catholics for a long time did not seem
at all hostile to such guards. The Catholic coun-
tries in closest connection with the Pope, had still
'Some guard upon his interference. And even in
Spain they went so far as by an Act of St-ate com-
pletely to disallow such i»terterence, 'while lie
remained in his present stater and until' such time
as' hit power may be. exerted for spiritual not for
temporal purposes.. With respect to the opinion 1
of Mr. Pitt upon -this important question, lie per-
haps bad as good an opportunity of knowing it as
any man, and be could assure the House, that to
his latest hope- his mind never changed as
.to tire
fundaniental wisdom of some measure in• favour
of the Catholics; but, at the same time, 'he con-
fessed that he saw great difficulties in the way of
it, and observed with regret a temporizing on the
part of the Catholits that created obstacles to..
,their claims in the mindS of Protestants. • With'
respect to regulations, though be. had no plan to.
propose, he -saw no difficulty in such a plan. It
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11was only to adopt the same system that was acted
upon even in Rouen) Catholic countries, •to gusrd.
against the. power Of the,Pope: An Ipin. Batt. (Sir
. J. C. Hippisley)' hail brought into view a system by
Which this tniglit be .effCcteiL The ground 'of' it
was, that the whole intercourse. with the See of
Route should be open, not occult. There Was no-
Vain in their religion they could wish ,to conceal,
except what passed in confession ; and when the
slrope at present may be' considered-in some mea-
sure a French) citizen, and that his authority in all
its plenitude wits ackitowledged inskeland, could
it be wondered at if security against his influence
was creniauded ? His acts should .pass„ so far as
they regardedlreland, through such hapds as may
know whether they were dangerous. . Thizt Nas the
the first, principle. The next pointto which he
would refer, was the Popes power of nomination'
to hishopricks. He did not mean to say that such
influence is'e:s .not better than irreligion, but is
should he guarded against. For the necessity 'Of •,
such a guard. there was no tit:atter of the House .
from whence/Iv-could draw his arguments better than
from the Gentlemen opposite. He could not per-
ceive that the vote wasinCblepatible 'with the doc-
trines of their Clitirch.• If he thoughtio,'he would
be the la.st ruan insthe.world.ta press it. :He Wonbi
look for some other' Lind of security. But he
could assure the House that she vote was rather
proposed by them :to him than by him to them.----
There was no,suggestiOn on their part that it was
inconsistent with the tenets of their religion.—
They `merely stated that.he should be sanctioned in
this .measure by the bead of their Church. So far
from wishing to throw upon the Government the
burthen of selecting their clergy, he declared the
very contras.: ; and such was their liberality; that
at the time alluded to they outran the wishes of the,
I. Governmeiat, The principle he went up'hn , was
this, that. it would be better 'for the Catholics
thernselves• not to devolve this - power of their
Church on men , who may he suspected,. -end that
it would be their interest to he certain by means of '
the veto, that.their prelates: were' not dreaded by
the Government. Beforebe sat down, he would
state the way in which he understood the motion
of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Grattan) and
the difficulties he saw in the Way of its execution.
The impression on his mind Was that they were to
, 'go into the Committee, that -in this, Commit-
tee a general preposition was to he proposed, and
after that a Bill, which was to he subjected to dis-
cussion.• If such was the intention of the Right ,
.Hon. Moves, nothing7was-more fair or consistent
with practice. TIC -must•declare, however, that
as he understood the nature. of the Bill to he in-
troduced, he could not give it iii's support, becsinse
it went to a sweeping repeal, svithout any secu-
rity, except the recognition of the Citown being
Protestant. lie mils: dissent from the Bill on any
such grounds. Nothing could induce him, to the
concession of high political authority? ,Withtint
more security than this. 'To accept of, sneh se-
curity aas the Bill proposed to give, would he• only
to call ia.qaestion the security of The Cro`wn and
the EstabliSted Church. He would never place
such high inttre-srs ender the mesa ges,:i .s!' stick.
an Act of I.!irlittifinetits.' The Right Z I ono usable
Gentleman ought, in his opinion. to have given
in the resolution the whole scope of his intention,
together with the means of carrying it law effect.
Headmitted that it was the duty- of Parliament
not to treat with the Catholics, dila to legislate
• fur them. , This he admitted in the ahstract,
but at the' same time be asked the House if on
this subjedt they could properly-legislate on their
own notions, withmit endeavouring to ascertain
bow the regulations they miht propose Were-likely
to be received. 'The 'penal laws which they might
Teel it necessary to enact, imposing a penalty on -
Bishops inducted into their,Bishoprics, 'a a man-
ner not saasstioned by the regulations which might
be thought necessary, and prohibiting all.connee-
,tion with the See of Rome, or making that which
was now secret an open intercourse, ity might-be
Said 'by tile Roman-Catholics, pressed more heavy
on them than thcae of which they at present con)-
. plained. It was ' therefore desirable. Owl they
loiu es
g,h utu
should have'some understanding with de Catho-
d lie reeling this could riot agree that if they
1 to leiZtto treat with them, theyconld takenosteps
their sentiments. It was said, that at the
i time of the Union -a promise had•been made that
something shouid be done for the Catholics.