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governed or influenced by Me. O'Connell, but that Hon.
Member's name was always introduced whenever it was thought
necessary to season a subject.--( A laugh.) Now, with re-
spect to the revision of the magistrates, it appeared that there
had b'en continued on the list from time to time no than
300 names of persons who were dead. The entire list
amounted altogether to 4,160 names, which had been reduced
to 2,690. Of 1,470 names struck off, the following was
the classification:-450 had died between the year 1832 and
and the year in which the list was amended ; 252 were mem-
bers of the police, and were disqualified as such ; 134 were coo-
neeted with military duties, and ‘vcre:disqualified as such ; aud 23C;
were clergymen, and Were removed as such—making a total
of 1,072. Of the 400 names that were otherwise struck off,
64 were restored, so that the list of those struck off became
reduced to 336, making au average of 11 magistrates struck
off from each of the thirty-two counties in Ireland. This was
the explanation which he had to offer, and he hoped that it
would be satisfactory to the House.
Lord BROUG HAM of jected on public grounds to the
production of this correspondence. It it were produced at
all, it should be under protest that the instance should not
be drawn into a precedent. But the best kind of protest
would be not to produce the correspondence at all. He
The
a n Marquis
thought that his Noble Friend had met the charges of the
Noble Marquis most fully, and had shown no disposition to
conceal anything.
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Noble
objection wished
papers respecting the case of the late Mr. Trevor Corry ?
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Lord N V
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any I A:
Lord PLUNKET (as we understood) would have no
objection.
Lord ELLENBOROUG II would object to the pro-
duction of any correspondence of this kind on the ground
just stated by his Noble and Learned Friend opposite ( Lord
Brougham).
Viscount MELBOURNE said that his case (as we under-
stood) was not included in the present motion.
The Marquis of DOWNSHIRE said he held in his hand
a printed statement of the case of the late Mr. Trevor Corry.
This was a case of a very grievous and painful nature. Mr.
Corry had for a long period of time held the commission of
the peace, and had been for thirty years a magistrate of the
county of Down. In the populous commercial town of
Newry his services were felt to be most valuable, and he dis-
charged his duties in that town and neighbourhood for many
years in a manner that was felt to be greatly conducive to the
peace and prosperity of the town. Last year during a period
of excitement he was made the subject of an accusation, which,
from the best information that he (the Marquis of Downshire)
could procure, had not been made out.—( Hear.) An investi-
gation took 'place, and without any communication to Mr.
Corry of the result of that investigation, he was removed from
the commission of the peace. He applied to the Government
to inform him of the grounds of his dismissal, but he was left
without any information whatever, and the way in which he
was treated preyed upon his mind in such a manner, and had
so prejudicial an effect upon his health, that (if we understood
the Noble Marquis correctly) he died about a week ago. He
had mentioned the matter to the Noble and Learned Lord
opposite in private, and he told him that he regretted what
had taken place, but that he considered that he (Lord Plun-
ket) had not done more than his duty on the occasion. What
had occurred in this case had been most painful to the nume. '
rous friends of Mr. Trevor Corry, of whom he professed him-
self one.
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would
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whether
Government respecting the papers in this case?
Lord PLUNKET said that some mistake had taken pace
with respect to these papers. They had been handed to the
Noble Marquis that he might look over them, and he (the
Marquis of Downshire) gave them to the Lord Lieutenant of
Ireland when he 'teas in town, who sent them to the Irish
.Office, in order that they might be sent to Ireland. He had
written to Ireland respecting them, and had not yet received
any information respecting them.
The Marquis of DOWNS HIRE heard they had been lost.
Lord PLUNKET—Oh, no; I trust not.
The Marquis of DO WNS HIRE—It was on the 18th of
June that he had had a communication with the Lord Lieute-
nant of Ireland with respect to this case. Mr-
ith respect to the
case of Mr. Ilolt Waring, he had to state that the Noble and
Learned Lord had treated him
(th e Marquis of Downshire)
with every courtesy and attention. With respect to the case
of the Rev. Mr. Sampson, upon the investigation whisk took
place Mr. Trevor Corry gave his most useful and valuable as-
sistance, and exerted himself to reconcile the parties. From
that investigation it fully appeared that the Rev. Mr. Samp-
son had acted in a manner highly creditable to him, both as a
clergyman and a gentleman. It appeared that he had surren-
dered a considerable part of his income to quiet some trouble-
some spirits that had found their way into his parish. He was
bound to say that he (the Rev. Mr. Sampson) had been treated
in a manner that no gentleman could bear. As far as he was
concerned he did not hesitate to say that he would prefer Mr.
Sampson to Mr. Lindsay as a magistrate for the county of
Down, and he regretted that the Government had not com-
municated with him, in respect to the inquiry which took
place.

The Earl of WICKLOW must say that the Noble and
Learned Lord opposite ought not, considering the situation
which he filled, to have cast upon thoir Lordships the onus of
refusing those papers. He ought, on the contrary, to have
resisted the motion for their production ; but, instead of which,
what did he do? Why, he said that he had no objection to
their production, if their Lordships had not. With his expe-
rience this clearly was not the course which the Noble and
Learned Lord ought to have taken as regarded the revision of
the magistracy in his own county. With respect to the ex-
planation of the Noble and Learned Lord in reference to the
cases of Mr. Sampson and Mr. Lindsay, he was satisfied, but
not as to the cases of Mr. Corry and Mr. Holt Waring.
Could there, he asked their Lordships; be an act of greater
injustice than refusing to furnish parties accused with the re-
sult of the inquiry which had been instituted into their con-
duct ? Yet this was what, in point of fact, the Irish Govern-
ment had done, notwithstanding they knew that Mr. Corry
was one of the most respectable and influential gentlemen in
his county. It never was pretended that Mr. Waring had
evinced in the discharge of his magisterial duties anything
like party feeling, but because his clerk, who might have had
flag on the steeple of his Church in his absence, Mr. Waring
some remains of Orangeism about him, had hoisted an Orange
WAS dismissed.
Lore PLUNK ET denied that he had said that Mr. Waring
had been dismissed either on the ground 9f his connection with
Orange Societies or for having hoisted anOrange flag. What
lie had said was that he had been dismissed because the Go-
vernment
had laid down a rule to continue as few Clergymen
as possible in the Commission of thirPeace.
The Earl of WICKLOW said it was clear to him that, with
respect to Mr. Corry and Mr. Waring, the Noble and
Learned Lord had made out no case to justify the cruel and
extreme severity with which those gentlemen had been treated
by the Irish Government.
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Earl
of GL ENG AL L said that there was a strong
feeling the
part of the local Magistracy in the south
against the interference of the stipendiary Ma-
gistratespart he must say, that he would sooner resign the
Commission of the Peace than allow his conduct to be in-
qhuis own
ired in inquiries into complaints against them, and for
into by stipendiary Magistrates, were a complaint
made against him.
Viscount MELBOURNE admitted that the Noble Mar-
quis who had brought forward the motion had acted with
perfect candour; but although it had been said that Mr.
in ignorance of the facts, it appeared to him,
what had passed in that debate, that he must have been
from
well aware of al that had transpired, because he threatened
• s fer perjury against the witnesses who had been
proceedinghim. With respect to MTT 1, Waring, :,
Cor.y
examined against
was no objection to him that ho had belonged to an Orange
Lodge. lie was dismissed merely because the Government
was kept
had raid down a rule that it
was advisable as much as possible
to exclude Clergymen from the ,
Commission of the Peace •
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and without at all wishing to exclude Clergymen from secularaffairs, he (Lord Melbourne) thought this rule a wise and
a
part to the pro-
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objectioncase
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prtcular occasion or
strong
hisi
with respect to the conduct of Mr.
Trevor Corry, but still he
circumstances to warrant it, it was not wise on the
t of 'the Government to consent to the production of com-
munications which par
counties and the Lord Chancellor. These communications
were confidential in the highest degree, and ought, therefore,
smul usttasraY y.0,0f
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a et
to be open and unrestricted ; but how could they be open
and unrestricted if they were liable to be made public
whenever a Noble Lord thought fit to move for their pro.
duction ?

The Earl of CH ARLEVILLE considered Mr. Corry had
not been fairly treated. All Mr. Corry said when he applied
to the Government was, " If you put the papers in my hands
it will bring a charge of perjury against certain parties ;"
but this did not bear the construction which the Noble Viscount
bad put upon it.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY replied, and in doing
so said that he would give up that part of his motion which
related to Mr. Lindsay, and confine his motion to the produc-
tion of the papers connected with the inquiry which was in-
stituted with respect to the conduct of Mr. Corry.
The Duke of WELLINGTON expressed his strong dis-
approbation of the manner in which inquiries into the conduct
of the Magistrates in Ireland were conducted. They were ex
parte proceedings, and, as far as he was concerned he must
protest against such tribunals. The Government of Ireland
had no right to adopt one mode of proceeding in these eases
and the Government of this country another. But be put it
to their Lordships, whether an inquiry such as had taken
place into the conduct of the Magistrates of Ireland would be
tolerated in England,—( Hear, hear.) It was idle to deny
that the stipendiary Magistrates were other than partisans,
and that being the case, they were most improper persons to
be employed for such a purpose.
Viscount MELBOURNE expressed his surprise at the
observations of the Noble Duke, and said that this course of
inquiry had long been prevalent in Ireland—especially when-
ever there had had been any apprehensions of riot and dis-
turbance, and he did not see why it was not called for as much
in the ease of the Magistracy as in that of any other persons.
He did not know on what ground the Noble Duke should call
these sort of inquiries party inquiries.—( Hear.)
The Duke of WELLINGTON said that what be objected
to was their application to the magistracy.
After a few words from Lord PLUNKET and Lord
ELLENBOROUGH,
The copies were ordered.
TITHES (IRELAND) BILL.
Viscount MELBOURNE observed that it was his wish to
bring on the committal of this Bill to-morrow, as soon as pos.
ale after the sitting of the House.
REGISTRATION OF ELECTORS BILL.
Viscount MELBOURNE moved the second reading of
this Bill.