The Sun.
London, England, 1813-01-09 00:00:00

etlioßT TRADE TO INDIA AND CHINA.

• • city of London .`ritt'ertl,Friday Jan. 8.
This day a numerous and; respectable. 11!eetin!
Ives held at the .City of Lotidon•Tavern, Btsb 0,,1r1,
Ote-street, of the merchants, mantifactint„ ,
trailers, and other persons interested in • the.
:ex-
pert trade to India and China being continued- as
heretoitge to the port of London,- for -the purpose
Df taking into cOnsideration the most efficient
ineastnes to be adbpted in the present Parliament,con_
towards protecting the interests of all perso.ns
thse_.
cerue(l or connected with the export trade.from
part of London to India and China, in -the discilit,
51°n Wilich will shindy take place in Parliantei
re'rative to the retiVvval of the• Charter .of the .Last
;whit Chnipatiy: ,- '
, The Loito.'Arivroft having taken the -Chair, ad-
toiserd the. Meetitig.. Itswoultl beneceSsary, his
1.41'(1(81-4 'ohserietl, for , hint to- state to the nu-
i.tfte,9as and re!'pectable ' oily of gentlemen whom`
'4Ps.a*asSeilibled,. the occasion oft which they
ttrereeenVetie'd. They Wete all aWare of the tin-
)f xv pleb
portant object of the present -.Meeting, (
they had been informed by
His Lordship shoal(' have had '‘,Teht-difficulty in.
public advertiventent.7
prevailing on him yield' to the request
self' to
of ' the Deputation trout- file "CrePei.al C6lrt-
inittee, in taking the ehuly, Olt' tile preSent oc-
casion, not having been . 'one' of the Cotniiiit-
t"' n°' hadag had an opportunity of acquit'
itig the F' had
nee6sary 16 enable frith to
et) jtistiee to the mite, ovee which they had_
called ()whim torpreside ; but*hen be recollected
that lie had the honeur of being Chief Alagistrate
of this great City, and,' as such, Conservator of
the havers Thames and -,,,..,tet-f,siy, 'the trade and
interests.of which
,were int ietately connected With
I,lie objects of the present .4ieeting; his
,sense of
outy rose
paramottut to every other coosideration,
!end he felt bans& bound to' yield to their re-
west, trusting to the indulgence of the Meet-
""(' Ile ativerifsement, in consequence of which,.
At), had now met, would be read to.thein by Mr.
Teesdale. .
. . ,
11)C advertisement having been Accordingly
read,- • . .
; 1...1e tOun 3.llAvoa said, the Committee had gone
tklt.ougli the labour of preparing docurneets which.
'''"Lidrhe submitted to the l‘feeting, and had also
drawn up certain Resolutions
,which would besub-
niitted to them for their approval.'
Alr• Alderman ArKiws then rose and addressed
1,1.1% Lordship a'nd the Ateeting. 'As' at a Meeting
..cfa tiature ,iirtiltir to the present„ held* last year,
Ike had had the hottoer Of being called to the'chair,
or
present Meeting, he.hoped,•would excuse' him
ll"e'r sit a few words' in this stage of .the busi-
' Lvery person present. must . recollect the
ric anteur %which was rafSed. against the exclusive
ti'v"egcs" the I`,ast India. Company, and the Fe-
ta:ins tvhich were 1,..5t year presented frcitn all'
lilearters4igainst the ebntinuance of theiv enjoy-
1.,. tit.tof their exclusive trade, stating, as those.
':,_ ,eirti'l oi did, wliat Was bot the fact-,--as to the.
ri, Aire awl extent of'that ekclus• -e, trade (Jr '1.11(1 .
hopoly.---Tite dissidution t.)f. Parlilent which. had
taken Iduee in the in
A tli:,,'ll) t!"'"' r having ' . .
+teed him.
cAlr., Alilertitaq
from that h.:‘trhiel I s in a different situation
itleeti,. . , ' 'e in
'itr'tlic tittle the last.
state that 'arca ''''-felt mast. .
'4"
Held'
l''.ll6‘tr l .if called on to
son why", ,
will. h ,ince to-the 'Meeting, ntB a tea-
" L not (-maim e t ) act as Chair-
kali
t'l
tif.,(' (::)°Hoitlee. a' iipointiell (at that Meeting.
It w „1. '
.„0...51;:; . oe. nis. duty, however; Still to pay every.
.Ih;* le attention to the subject, and to weigh all
mit,,,"vantages and. disadvantages which might be
sornyi.°'d to arise Ott the one side
,and the other,
i :''" lit another place, to come io a correct de.,
c "Oh
ton the whole... .11e had well and attentively.
.„. Insidered the Matter, and he felt no heSitation.:.
.4atever in
,shying, Ant on a titt):.t diipsSioate
9"'Of' nil its 'features, he.
was satisfieda that the
tutt'e utitiiiing' the export r to ,India 'ant( Chin: 01.6 m
Illtt Of London alone, was that.whieh t..;ould.
Illip.!.11 inost adv,tintageous tb'the entintry at.large,
lin,!e the ittloi;t!on of A.contrary syStelif Would be
,v64114Y iiiiitrions to the best. interests of the city
titqututid,,,l, Though .he ,conld lint -longer coe-
itill'theliairtnite of any ,of their. -,Mettinge-,.- lie
Ilimself entitled to beg that thi.'y would
exert:',i"itt
Inish',,,,it'"'ekem to Tothilice the eintutry of the
''''"eolationi and deeeptiOns which had l)eett
Practised iu, 1
slid
of 11,-
-it titem, t3s to the India Trade,
rto e
1. the ativitntagea they ‘eere- likely to continue
,t,041'.1,7y, front not. removing theExpOrt Trade
to ttik ,-,,e PO orl,6ndon ainpe. 1 tswas not alonet
It-ports. tilt it r-ts $ lilaht to extent. the
that ~. , Ikkei.tioti, though it was-insidiously lie .
%rad('
ill(
''
" ' b
tor ~':,..',las but fair 'that exports horn -this country
porttil !,14.a and Oltina shottld be -open fro the out-
perso r thelSingdola.. There were not wanting
ell,' a II: (1 tlia"ti c,c-:e it lied i that this right was nniver:.
ought ti) be , (.-t Cry man ‘-'who plc4iscil'inight,' and
lhis tow, it'ulowed to trade to India Elba China.
persons r
advantage tto "'e
of the 300 n contended, wentlil be of
?et t.ratle and manufactures, ulthotigh
1...,:ii,,,,,e,a,
tilohirs,', of shipping.; Willa, -. by. Art of
prok-ide )...live,
i"ist. 'lndia company was bound to
Merchant„ alid 11:611,' the aecoonliodation of: private
anulitettwers, to'.export
Indlai 1400 to
for the lag yea
17,(413: I'M been taken UI) by them,
goods to
session- of
.il true '2l)e Aleeting were now in pos.-
, country to I Ile state of the Exports' front this
fr"'l ''`li'l and thin-i • and it appeared?
11 inclu3, Count Wadi: up
C410.*
I."
ae
fr‘o'm 1793-4 to IL
that while
qutntity lovfe.; • I the
v..itlitn that - perm( .
~ re bee • 'nntltle employed by indivicials.m!ght.
Emu il '5'1,000 t the
4, ci
quantity acee-te,
.watero
out
:. on.s,
feet.
.►„,„-
t.,
N 0nr,,,, . 'Y to 21,806 tons, and 2S I.
Vat i 1-""t'tY :Sh ttecepteel . 5511 tons consisted of
~
.oe ; 324 ofe -waking together -8755 tons.
Aloe, ph,
effect
cr,
..
ear-
rioie4r pig, red and white lead, coppo-,_ . tordi4 °' awns' stores, spirits, confectionary, and
tflr,
.. 481' (I"ierC-silver, steel, iron guns, pitch and
,40 mounting-together to tle.e.tt 584. Iron-
;`and Igery ~..d •.
1, . ...I nails, cutlery and hardware:, cottons
~..,
tr iln•ns, tinware andi)raziery, turnery, plated a
tviciill:,l for,:ling pie-ees and . pistols, swords, 1(106
lind 209,feet• AilkiSs and
.eurthen-ware 2701 tons
(14 '- 'vet ; Una sundries, composed of fifty-four
zrent urtieles, 3445 tons... . ' •
,011'.e Merchants of London could not, be Was
tr "'weed, brook the idea that the country in
elieral
, should make nribeebming-' saerifices in
„evefr oehalf. The idea of any such thing, how-
der ill ti" 4 Present instance, he,contended, wti. a
in tiSiOn winch it became the duty of that' MoutH•
g to winch
by every effort itt.thCir.P°we"

That it was need oily mentiOn;that even'
those gentlenien who \vete:enabled to bestow on-
their adventures the advantage. 01 their' own per-
;sonal attendance and arteittion,
.did not find it
'ariswer their purpose to occupy the whOle tonnage
-allowed them. 'The tonnage for the captains and
officers, during the above period,' did not exeeau
60,000 tons, - and-the victualling-about 30,000.;:--
Ile stated these things to prove, that there was
a delusion which had gone
.abroad among the peo-
ple of this country, -as -to the advantages to be de-
rived from a free opening to- the Indian: market.
India, he knew, and he wished it to be generally
known, could not take the
.articles of -our-trade
and inauufactare so,as to make theopening of the
-market an object to all this country: This
should be known :because,- grand and energetic,
as the Mercantile -spirit of, this couthry Was,
it
there was the smallest prospect of the ,'ltalian
market -presenting any %thing like, a market for
our .manufactures, such as was represented in
other places, he knew too much of the gener;-
osityand.greatness of. spirit by which his
.hro-
they merchants of London were Actuated, not
to
be- satisfied," that: they would contentedly boW to
-their unfortunate situation, rather than' endur*
the thought, that, for their accomModatiOn, an
advantageous market should be shut against the
trade 'and manufacture of the whole kingdom.
There was, at this moment, at Gravesend, a vessel
for India, ale- freight of which 'was rated So
low
as 41. a ton, and yet, even at this low rate, no
eititia'Was (acre& -And; he asked, were offieeks
who had saciifieed themselves to the setvice' of
the CnthOany and of the Country, to be lost
of .And fOr what ? For what, he contended,
waS a mere 'delusion. • He did not say that Mi-
nisters were to blame.' If a represcntaiion Was
made to them,
,it was not unnatural that, they
should pay attention' to it; though rhe trusted they
were not wedded
.to the opinion, they had, he
trnsted, W9thOut consideration, espoused. It was
for the Meeting to do away the delusion, and to
shew to the Government, and to,the publie;* that
the opening of, the Indian Market Could not go to
...attect the commerce of the country at large ;, and
that any expectations of such a result, liwever,
sanguinelY they might. be 'formed,. Is.at not the
most dist Ant chance of ever being realised:
The-Loan Mayer. said,,, lie felt himself called
on, injustice to the torporation of Lninlon, to
state, that, he had received a reqniSition; signed
by a number of the 11.1 embers of -the Comnieri
Council; requesting him to call a Meetiog of 'the
Corporation of LOndon, for the parpeise of takiiig
.into ennaideration the steps necessary to• pmevent
the removal of the exclusive trade to India from
.the port of London. He, begged to assure the
feettng,_that, be Should order -a CorntitOn Coun-
cil to be convened as speedily as he cOidd(lo UM-
stitntionally, it not being competent' fm: him 'to
convene the same till -after the recess. llisLLOrd-
ship stated the circomstance, however, at present;
that the Meeting might see .that the Corporation
was alive, to their view'S. His Lordship 'said,
Reiolutions (which were now -read' altogether),
should be put separately, Nviien any Gentleman
would be at liberty,to make observations
might suggest themselves to him ripOu oat.'
The first ,ResOlation being tuove'd ,by). GO.r•
don, Esq. and seconded- Nash, Esq. Was'
-put and agrees) to unanimously. •
The second Resointion being read, ' •

Mr. BAstut,L.:•l)ix(iN said, tliat propos
ing any alteration on the sense of the liesolUtion,:,
he presumed to suggest, that °lie sentenced it,
probably,
.wils -too_ strpag," To, say that the ef-
fe,•(:t of. vpening the trade to India must occ.ision.
tueloss.a, the v% hole. Indian territory, bethought
was going too far. To his'eoaception; • it wOuld
N.,yllongh to express that as the probable conse
.
finetic4.
Mr, MARTIN was of ()pillion, that to introduce
the,word proposed, :would be to weaken the. whole
'of the nesolutiOn. lt•Wits his opinion,•t hat throw:,
ing the trade to India open., Would inevitably have
,the Ole et of losing to _us the.. whole ferritory of
In ia, If.this was the opinion .of the Meeting,'
,they ought, with Out hesitation, to express it, nor
'_could they do so in too positive language. • •
Mr: KENNARD of Opinion,
ought to go forvvard and not bileftWard.''
were called on to Make a stand ;
.ttuithe ii ire po-,
sit ive their expresSions Were the better they
specerd.
Air. RowcaoFT was anxious to avoid any dif-
ference of qpinion. lle agreed that a poSitiVe cle
claratiou, . that the elect ot throwing the trade
open*,,must. be the loss of our . Indian, territories,,
might "seem, too strong ; whereas. the introduction:
of the word
,probable might seem to, weaken the,
sentence' too much 'should propose,. thire'-..
• foyer to. introduce, instead of the word
.these • other words ‘‘ with a danger of,'
C. &C, . - •
Resolution thus amended Was put Anil car
Oed,:unanimously; as was;also the ehird resolution..
On the fourth resolution baing put,
I-luSIE said., being unable to,•enituide in
the opiniOn.expressed in this Resc4ntion, 4e could
not sober" it to pass without entering his protest.
against it. By the Act of the 33d of the. King,
conimodation vrwi to be given to private merchants
and •mannfacturers to export goods to the Last
lushes; and the Company COUsidering that poli-
tics andcommeree could never go toge-
tlier, 4iptihtted titat the vesselS should sail.at to
weather seasons, with convoy, &t. lit ME.
hoWever, Was
.not the only person who
knew that never a vessel had sailed in the
fair-weather season, lit that the practice had
been to detain vessels,, even fur yearS, tot political
purposes; (Cries of 'No, no!) at 'h.fa,t great
. delays had in this way been ,oceasioned. The
freight of goods exported. by private merchants to
India, Amounted: to 650,-otfUl. aml What proved
I that , there must have. been great detentiOn Was
this, that the demurrage amounted to upwards of
• .400,uPoi. and, his occasioned not by waiting_ for
Convoy, &e.but by detentions for political pttr
,poses,_.Be.sides this, ,it was of great eonseqUence
.to know When the vessels Were, to sail', Os die"
Wiled, perhaps, six or seven niOntlit'after the
time expected., a market migjtt be lost. Be 01r"
111nne), as interested not in trade alone, but in
...the country, was not for confining the export trade
to Inch to the port of London alone.
Mr. MARTIN spoke to order, and nuaved that the
adyertisement convoking the 11,6et.ing [Muhl be

.read, which being done, lib obseiyed that the
remarks of the Hon. Gentleman would apply vast 7
ly well in the House,ol,Commons, where .the
:whole question wonld come. under discussion.
Ile had let the Hon.-Gentleman go on far enough
enahle 'the Meeting to be. convinced th%- the
• elf tw. 6voticipaii lOshed not to.eontinue to them
the [rade. °which they nowenjoyed. "(to secure
which was the 'object for Which they had met) but
to t eke it ,aWay from them. Ile asked of the
Lord Mayor, therefore, whether this was not
.a
IVeeti»g convened for,, the purpose of preserVing;
rather thin of giving the exclusive trade of
ihepori of London.:,--(Vicar,. hear!)
KENNAED SMITH begged to know if. the
Hon. Gentleman _was.o Merchant, or in any way
interested in the India Or China trade ?
The Loin :%.,LiYcia informed -the Honourable
Gentleman (lir. liunie) that he would he pleased
to conkne.-himself to the subject matter before the
meeting. . ,
HUME declared, that he was interested in
the question as a tinder to ludic —as.a proprietor
to sotat extent. of India stock-; and if it was 'not
meant that ,such persons--per Sons who had spent
all their lives injudia, 'Should be alloWed to de-
'liver their sentiments; those who called this meet-
ing together, would have done much better to dis-
cus's ,the snbjec,t at.home in their closets.
ltowertotir
.rose to order, and wished to'
du
impress on thesHottrable Gentleman, that the
meeting had not been convened to discuss thege-
' neral .question between. ,London and the Out-
ports, but-as a body of persons interested, to con-,
skier
,the, besto• means bf,.impressin their claims-
on the Administration and the Legislature.r Per-
'soni-who had anything to suggest, WhiCh might
facilitate this object, would do a
.great favour to
the meeting by bringing it forward. Ott the other
-
hand, those , whO had any opposition to wake to
the object of the present meeting, would with
more propriety urge it in other places. He did not
wish to suppress discussion, but to suggest that
this was not the proper time and place for it '; and
that the arguments of the Honourable. Gentle-
man (Mr. Runic) were at present misapplied,
which in another place would be well employed.
Mr.- HUME iftlo, that'Andidg Such was the ob-
ject of the meeting, he would have done with one
observationt hat this mode of
.proceeding was tot
calculated 1,6 give weight to their resolutions, and
contrary to thlt liberality which formed the eha-
racteri:Aie "of British inerchant."

The 6th, with, and .7th Resolutions ,were
put andiearried unanimously..
The' Bth ReSolittion wits also carried,' after a
verbal amendment.'
A Itesoltition,which stood as the 9th, and which
expatiated on the injury which: the inland and
coasting navigation of the Kingdom would receive
troul'elle extnsioti of the India trade to the Out-
ports, was then read.
Mr. Ptxoti.suggested that.it would be better to
omit this tesolutton altOgether.' If the naviga-
tion in question would be injirreci, it 'Would he
urged' that .thii could only htipperi because there
was .2.t pre,..nt an unnecessary expellee incurred in
bringing the goods, from the Out-ports to
'After r6r words between Alilennan ATKINS
and. Iklr.'llt Kay.;

Mr; Ilumu obwrved, it would be advisable. to
withdraw the resolution, as it had been argued by
theme rchants of th,tl ont-ports, that 17-2,Uths of
the goodi imported from India, were re-expoyted
from this country, and that ale expence of con-
veyance from London to the great exporting ports
(Liverpool,.B4c.), which,
.was incurred under the
present system, was unnecessary.
The Loin MAYOR interrupted the lion. Gentle-
ma it' to inform him, that the resolution was with-

drawn. "
• The iiext resolution was then. put and-carried
unanimously, after a fear words from Mr. Hume.
The resolution, tbitt a Petition be presented to
both flotises.Of Paiirdinent,' was also carried una-
nimously.
The' Petition wt?s then, read and approved of.
• The l'lth and resolutions were put ;aid
.cavried unaniniously'. •
'lo'4;44'Vso -re,olveit that:the Members for the
City of Londbil tic requested to present the Peti-
thin to Parliament; •
Sir JAMES 'UAW 'expressed his Nvuongnesi to
t'ul it that office, and w;ts eu4bied to answer a 150,,;
for Mr. Aldernittn and
and Sir William Curtis,
whose private ba.siaCss had prevented them froth
attending.: • •
Air. Alderman ATrass expressed similar senti-
Mats. - • ,
A4ertie:Was read. from _Mr:Alderman Combe,
,txpresslng his concurrence with the object of the
neeting, and offering leis service for the promor
-ticift•of it. • • ,
• Thanks to the, General Connuittee were then
moved and caviled.
It was kdso resolved, thßt.a,9ubscription he open—
ed to defray -the expense attending the fertherance
•
of the object oithe
Mr. Itow.cnovr moved the Thanks of the Meet-
ing to the Lord Afayor. ThOnotion'ivas second.- •
ed It; Wigan], and earriedithartimOuslY. -
His-'Lordship rt.turned .and declared,
Vint they should alw;iys hiin a friend to any
measure - which might promote the intereits of the
C 4 `of London. , •
MrAtowcitorr gaVe notice of a Meeting of,all
persons' concerned in the Import Trade ,froni the
East Indies, to be• hidden-1n the Egyptian Hall,
at the Mansion-House,- on Tbin§day ,i4)ie 14th in-
stant :-- the Lord Mayor in the Chair.-r-As he was
on his legs, he would repeat that lt.Coidd not be
expected from them, that they shoilid consider
Ivbether the extension of the India trade were ne-
cessary to the State. .They bad rumige their own
loss, w.bile others might Urge their privations. It
would- remain: fOr -aunther set Ot men to decide,
wOelt-Iclitint4 bad the :most weipt. The subject
deserVed all the consideration that could bp given„
it but they could not be charged with ilhberali•
ty, if they did not take it on themselves.
Petitions were then distributed for signatures,
and books opened forsubscriptions, in pursuance
of tlie resolutions.

OnlSaturday the Clergy of the Cathedral Church
and Diocase of NVOreester met in the Audit Idiom
Of the Dean and Chapter, and agreed, upon a Peti.
Lion against the Roman Catholic