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London, England, 1849-07-13 00:00:00

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in her Majesty's Government. Certainly the Hon.
Member for Matiehesier hsd taken a different view,
because he (Lord J. Russell) !aid postponed the Ordnance
estimates until the 12th of July, having repeetelly
asked his Noble Friend the chsirman of the Select Com-
mittee when the tappet weuld appear, and having been
assured by hies th tit it woul I appear soon, end now,
thinking it was quite impossible fairly to cereicler the
report of the Committee, having proposed to tike those
estimates now, the Hon. Metnber for Manchester said
that he (Lord J. Russell) must have some dishonest mo-
tives, and that he wished to prevent the House of Com-
mons having that report in their hands, and from consi-
dering the recommendations of the Committee. If that
had been his object he certainly had not taken a very
skilful mode—(Hear, hear)—for he might have said in
May or June that it was bett-r not to wait any longer;
hut, because he had postponed the estimates until
July, asking for the report. the Hon. Gentleman made
that imputation against him, but which he (Lord J.
Russell) totally denied.—(Hear, hear.) He denied that
he had acted so corruptly and dishonourably.—(hear,
hear.) With respect to the dispute that night, the ques-
tion simply was that the Hon. Gentleman the Member
for Montrose said it would be of great advantage to have
the report before them, and they, the Government, on
the other hand, contended that as that report could not
be in the hands of Members until Saturday, the very
short time between Saturday and Monday would not
enable the House to get any sufficient information on the
subject, and, therefore, it would be better to discuss the
various items, and reserve until next year the questions
of any large reductions in the estimates. It seemed to
him that the question might have been discussed between
them without any personalities—(Hear, hear)—and he
should have thought without having resort to the very
frequent divisions which had taken place that evening.—
(Hear, hear.) He was likewise justified in the course
he had taken by the opinion of two Right Hon. Gentle-
men members of the Committee, who were known to
have paid particular attention to this subject, and who
thought the course the Government had taken was the
proper one. The Hon. Member for Manchester seemed
to have supposed that he (Lord J. Russell) had made
a charge against Members of the House generally, or
against those with whom the Hon. Member acted, of ob-
structing the course of public business in the present ses-
sion, He (Lord John Russell) made no such charge,
nor any imputation against any Member in the House.
On the contrary, he was glad to be able to acknowledge
that throughout this session Members had shown a dis-
position to transact fairly the business before them, and
what particular business was fixed by the Government
for certain days they had, generally speaking, proceeded
with the consideration of to expedite it. With regard
to the motion standing for that eveninz, thinking that
the Government had been in the right in the course they
had proposed, but that it was impossible at that hour to
proceed with any benefit to the consideration of the Ord-
nance estimates, and thinking also that they would not
be able to go through those estimates and the others in
the course of to-morrow (this) evening he should pro-
pose that the Chairman report progress, and that they
should take the British Museum and other estimates to-
morrow (this das) and the Ordnance estimates on Mon-
day, when he trusted the Committee would fairly con-
eider them, and not interpose any unnecessary delay.
Mr. HUME denied that, as far as he was concerned,
there had been any factious opposition.
The House then resumed, and the Chairman reported
progress, and obtained leave to sit again this day.
The Relief of Distress, Ireland (No. 2), and the
Commons Enclosure (No. 2) Bills were read a second
time.

The Newgate Gaol (Dublin) Bill and the Tru3tees
Relief Bill were read a third time and passed.
The Lunatic Asylums (Ireland) Bill, the Labouring
Poor Act Amendment (Ireland) Bill, and the Land Im•
provement Amendment Act (Ireland) Bill were seve-
rally read a second time, and ordered to be committed
this day.
THE NEW ZEAL AND LAND CONVEYANCES