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London, England, 1849-03-21 00:00:00

• bt: own, ss that revenue was inteniietl by the pig
donors kr the spiritual wants of the pt.or, to which of
pse it tv.is not applied, and such a system wus tile!
satisactory. He perfectly afire: d with the princiP,e
a toe motion, and from his private knowledge of 01
Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Horsman) he was ready6l
all occasions to bear his testimony to his zeal and ill;
tegrity, and was fully assured that he (Mr. Horsroat
was actuated by no other desire than to promote th°
interest of the Church. He, however, hoped tlal
he would allow him to make a suggestion to hire
ithdraw his motion on the present occasion, as all iverd
agreed that it was rigia that the matter should be se
tderd
by an Act of Parliament, in which the Noble Lord (Po
J. Russell) and the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. r'elEi
coincided; and he hoped that he (Mr. Horsman) ro,n
trust to the good feeling of the Bishop of Durban), tme
he would introduce a measure in correspondence with ,he
conscientious feelings of Parliament. ith
Mr. STUART WORTLEY said that he joined Yr
every Member who had spoken on that subject, lbw'
there was a necessity for some legislative measure
the arrangement of that question. He did not mean W
charge the Bishop or the incumbent, no more than anl
other Hon. Member who had spoken, because he believed
that the money was laid aside for some good purple
yet he did not think that the very act of laying it 51d
would stand the test of an inquiry. He trusted, that "g
the House was unanimous in their opinion, that dist
feeling would be communicated to the Bishop, and that
the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Horsman) would not press a,e
motion.—(Hear.)
Mr. J. A. SMITH said that he fully concurred with
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the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Horsman), yet
hoped that he would not press his motion, and the%
he did, he should move for an adjournment of "'
debate.
Mr. J. T. WAWN said that as his Hon. Friend Ail:
Horsman would not comply with the suggestion of tr.
Noble Lord (Lord Ashley), he felt bound to give t".
motion his support.
Mr. HORSMAN said that as the House had agree!
in the justice of his proposition, he was placed in a vercf,
difficult position, in being obliged to appeal to the kin„
ness of the House, in refusing the withdrawal of his at";
tion, because the whole responsibility of the 110,,e,
rested upon him, while others had only to vote on- the
question. His was not an isolated case; it was one n.:
a series, and in consequence of having withdral
four different motions last year, •at the request
of the House, and on the yet unredeemed
pledge of the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell), be re;
gretted that he could not comply with the request
of the Noble Lord (Lord Ashley).—(Here
Honourable Gentleman referred to his having vrit,h
drawn a motion respecting the fusion of ecor
siastical and common funds, and another respecting
cathedrals, on the pledge that full and comprehensive
measures would be introduced by Government, which.
was never redeemed.) He said that as many of bps
friends looked upon his motions, in consequence of bis
having withdrawn them, as mere sham motions, that he
should persist in the present one. It was for the We.
rest of the Church and of Christianity that be bad
brought them on, and he should to the last support thnl
cause by every means in his power, fur the interests el
the Established Church could not succeed while font
curates, whose superiors were not in the whole Ceernbs
were to be found in that diocese, each respectivelf.
twenty years, at an annual income of only 90/ lie fel'
that his cause of supporting the working clergy was 6
just and holy cause, and should, therefore, press for

Lord JOFIN RUSSELL said that, having been 14:A
cusk d of what would be deemed a dereliction of g°,.'"
faith, and of having broken pledges he had given to we
Hon. Gentleman, he proposed to give a short explan;
ton of the subject to the House.—(Elear, hear.)-
regard to the motion of providing for the union of 0"
episcopal fund and of the common fund, he had Pl•
wised to consult the Archbishop of Canterbury, 'l'
though his Lordship had only been recently appointl;
He had seen the Archbishop, and had conversed Wit
him on the subject, and the result of the interview was'
his being confirmed in the opinion he before held, tht
there was no valid objection to the arrangement. Fror
that time he stated to his colleagues that the Aro:';
bishop was of opinion that a measure, having 01)
object in view, might be introduced.—(Hear,
The Honourable Gentleman further proposed a °1
ferent arrangement as to cathedral churches. 'PO
was a matter far more difficult, and admitted of f°,,r;
ther reforms. On inquiring further into it he thoeg"
it necessary that the revenue should be ascertained be:
tore a measure should be introduced with respect 1;
another application of it.—(Hear, hear.) He, senor
iugly, advised the Crown to appoint a Commission of lit;
quirt', and several Members of the House were member'
of it. With respect to the question why he had not IT
traduced a measure with regard to either of these 80,';
jects during the present session, he bad stated to t'in,
Hon. Gentleman that he would propose a measure haviva
reference to the composition of the Ecclesiastical 00:1,:o
mission, and the uniting of the episcopal fund with t%
common fund. The House was aware that there
only two days in the week, or eight in the ulo°l
upon which Government business could be proneeue.
with, and considering the way in which the time of this
House was taken up on those occasions, he vi°o/
put it to the House, whether there was any chance ‘,'d
making progress with a measure of this kind, if it 115
Leen introduced. They had thought it necessary ,0„
bring in a Bill to continue the suspension of the liabeT,
Corpus Act in Ireland, which would otherwise expire I
the present month. They hadilso brought in measures
which they thought were urgent and indispensable WO
respect to the famine in Ireland; and if the navigation'
laws were to be proceeded with at all in the present ser
sion, it was obvious that they should be considered in an
early part of it. The claims of the western districts of
Ireland was another subject which demanded their
prompt attention. Under these circumstances, would
the House have considered him justified in postponing,
any one of those important measures, for the purpose 0'
introducing one on the union of the episcopal and coin'
mon funds? Those were the reasons why the measure
had not yet made its appearance, and he had only stated
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them to justify himself, in answer to the charge of havlne
broken his pledges to the Hon. Member.
Mr. Alderman THOMPSON recommended the .Son'
Member not to pursue the question to a division.
Sir F. BARING said he had waited to the last 00'
went, in the expectation of bearing that the motion ivi
to be withdrawn, but not finding the slightest chance 0
its being the issue of the debate,ihe now begged leave t_°,
proi,ose the course which would, probably, be deemed
the most satisfactory to all parties, viz., to move the
previous question.
The House then divided, and the numbers were--
For the previous question 52
Against it

Majority
The eff!ct of this division is to postpone idefinitely the
consideration of Mr. Horsman's motion.
CONDITION OF THE WORKING CLASSkIS.
Mr. SL A./VEY moved for the appointment of a Stand:
ing Committee or unpaid Commission, to consider and
report, from time to time, on practical measures to Wl'
prove the condition of the working classes. The Wu'
Member contended 'hat the richer portion of the pope_
Wiwi had increased very largely the amount not only (A
their property, but of their comforts and luxuries, since
„::dthe peace; as a proof of which, be stated that between
the years 1812 and 1841, the number of carriages -
by them had doubled, and that in Manchester alone,
between the years 1815 and 1841, property had increased
190 per cent. This increase was attributed mainly
the labour and incessant applicati, n of the worki to
ng
classes, and that being so, it was only right that a Cora'
mittee should be instituted in order to ascertain whether
the increase of the comforts of the poor bad been corn-
mensurate with the increase of the comforts of the rich.
Mr. Slaney was proceeding, when he was interrupted by
an Hon. Member, who moved that the House be counted.
The gallery was cleared, and 32 Members only being
present, the House was declared adjourned.