The Sun.
London, England, 1836-06-03 00:00:00

ADJOURNED DEBATE.

The Order of the Day for resuming the adjourned debate
having been read,
Mr. JACKSON had intended taking part at an earlier
stage in the debate, but he did not regret it, as since its com-
mencement several gentlemen had addressed the House, and
he thought they had in its progress the important question
now under the consideration of the House justly and truly
stated. The question now resolved itself, were they to have
an established Church in Ireland or not. Perhaps he had
limited the question into too narrow a compass in stating it
so, but be believed the question was one affecting not only
th 3 into egg of Ireland, but of th t great and extensive empire.
The question was no less than this—were they to have an
Estabillud Church at all ? And sooner or later it would
ome to thi —were they to have preserved to their and their
posterity, the blessings of the Protestant religion. That was
really the qu2seosat issue between the two sides of the House.
It had been openly avowed that the " nuisance," as it was
called, was is be abated.

Delenea est C. rthago." .
and the flon. and L'earnecL.Member for Tipperary past last
night, amid the startling exclamation—" down with an insti-
tution which cannot be sustained save by Old Sarum and
Gatton." Others had distinctly stated both within and with-
out that House, that the nuisance must be abated, and he was
quite aware that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had spoken
of the abuses of the Church, but he believed be would be
borne out by the gentlemen around him, that he had faithfully
stated the Hon. and Learned Member's language. The Hon.
and Learned Member had afterwards said perhaps he ought to be
understood as confining himself to the abuses of the Irish Church.
At the time the Hon. Gentleman was addressing the House,
he had made a memorandum as he proceeded of the several
topics he urged as bearing upon the Established Church.
The first and main charge he preferred against the Esta-
blished Church was, that Ministers had had the audacity to
assert their claims to a legal and incontrovertible right.-
-( Cheers.) Now, he would ask if the Protestant Clergy of
Ireland had asserted their rights through the laws of the land,
were they to be maligned and upbraided for doing so?—
(Loud 'cheering.) The property had belonged to the
Church for ages, it was the property of the Church by a period
of prescription of great duration—it rested not only upon the
prescription of ages, but upon one of the most solemn
compacts that ever could be made.—( Hear, hear, hear.)
He referred to the Legislative Union which was between the
two countries.—(Cheers.) It was by express enactment
made an indispensable and fundamental part of the union that
the united church established in Ireland should be maintained
and preserved. It was not to be forgotten- that that was an
Act not passed by merely the representatives of a Pro-
testant unto •, but by the representatives of the people of Ireland,
who were in a great measure Catholics. The next charge pre-
fer: ed was against the body of the Clergy, that they had
not only asserted their rights, but they held them by a Indy
called the Lay Association.—( Hear, hear.) Hs attended
:n h:s place on the d ty in which that notice was moved.
It was not moved—it was withdrawn sub silentio. It
w s put again on the book on a day •hen his duty compelled
him to be in the sister country.—( Hear from the Opposition )
It was, however, o .ly just to say that the Honourable and
Learned Member, on his ( Sergeant Jackson's) statement,
withdrew his notice for that day. From that time he
bad heard nothing rno:e upon the subject. It had
never suited the co iveni' ace of the Learned Gentleman to
br:ng the question for ward. If lie did bring it forwards, lie
( Sergea:a Jackson) would be prepared to meet him. Ile
ecared not but that he would satisfy the House that this asso-
ciation so far from Icing Mega!, was perfectly warranted by
the spirit and the word of the law of the land.—( Hear, hear.)
The next top!e which the Hon. and Learned Member had
ventured to touch was that the High Court of Exchequer had
arrayed itself against the Government of the country.
Hon. Gentlemen cheered. Did they think it right that such
c•iarges should be made ?—( Loud cheers from the Opposi-
tion ) Did they think it likely to be useful to the country,
or that it w uld produ,:e respect for the law or its officers.—
( Renewed cheering fro.n the same quarter.) Was it to be
believed that his Majesty's Ministers should sit and hear
such chaiges, and not one of them rise to refute them.
—( Loud cheering from the Opposition.) Nothing could be
more mischievous than charges of this description. But the
charge might be very justly inverted, and it might be said
that the Government had arrayed itself against the High
Courts of Law.—(Tremendous cheering from the Oppo-
sition.) Insinuations had been liberally dealt out against
the Judges of the Court of Exchequer personally—( Hear,
hear)—and, amongst others, it had been said that Baron
Smith had attended for the first time after a great lapse of
time, when this important Tithe question came before the Court.
The Learned flaron had no notion that such a motion was to
come
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and had particularly referral to the Rathcormac slaughter.
Every man of common humanity must deplore that molaneholy
evont but was this chargeable on the Church of Ireland or
on the sespeatahle clergy belonging to that Church. He took
deny
thitt it ;vas chargeable upon the clergy,
but
ton himself
hewould to
tell
the house who v.-
ro:ponsible for the
6100 that had been shed. The Agitators, and the Agi-
tators
opopl weft) the parties upon whom the responsibility
must devolve, With pe4papt t.R the Rathcormac affair
he denied that the clergyman t' ;/1 ally gecocfa oigrzegme in
the blood that had been shed ; what were the facts it a la.ge
arrear of tithe was due by the widow Ryan, and • other
par sbiotic/4 to :11 'tst
rottegeop%Rider and others; and when he
ace.liod fur payment they told hirn p;g4l4
be worth a week's purchase if they eernplied wio his dprnand,
but that jf be brought the military or police, and showed that
they were acting uncler cpmpulsion, he shoulu haye ever
y
=billing of his tithes." Under iliesti FirellTnitsneel the MTh...
deacon applied for the aid of the military, which the Goverri,
munt of that day very properly granted it. The soldiers
were telilig-ed ~,o fire, in order to preserve their own lives, for
hey were hemincd up in a riarrn7 lane by the peasantry just like
!he unfoi lunge police, whose lives ”re
shock. These were the plain facts` of the c'ase, pn4 lie put
to the Holise 1,;;;;;;ther the respectable Clergyman vvasuChfilrge-
able with the 'inOlalicttoiy 9f life which had unfortu-
nately taken place.—t Heel, 1;;ar.1 h.;Fiff.Fr Af
the expedients resorted 'to lie %yell! • state ttlIS fact.
There wills f4hihited in front of the Colln-dace-room of c.rie of
,he candidates fop the city pf port n Kintinfii or daub,re-
presentincr the massacre at ktaihcprpo9; 1,1,4 op
terror and excitement, that theKings troops were obligle4 to
be called out to iwitppt YPteP pirif to the heStings!
ihe Hon. and Learned effM, It d MAR 1.1111 'Pith*:

mac to L►niscarra, the circumstances connected with which
:rcre, so far as regarded the character of the clergyman, more
unfounded if possible than the other. That clergyman was
stigmatized as a murderer, and in the eloquent language of the
Hon. and Learned Member he had been described as wiping
the tears from his eyes with hls bloody hands. The only thing
was that there was not a particle of t► uth in that statement.
Mr. El. G RATTAN said the statement was quite correct.
Mr. JACKSON—Did the lion. Member mean to say that
the statement of the clergyman wiping his eyes with his bloody
bands was literally true ?—( Mr. Grattan again made an
observation, but was called to order by the Speaker. )
The Reverend Gentleman was not present at all
and the statement that he had pistols was equally groundless,
for he never had a pistol.in his house. The lion Member then
went into the circumstances connected with lnniscarra affair.
To say that it was a wanton firing on the people, was a
most grievous perversion of the truth .—( Hear, hear.) A
Clergyman had sued an Hon. and Learned Gentleman, a
Member of that House, and that Hon. and Learned Gen,
tleman wrote a letter to the clergyman, stating he had
his option between giving up his seat for Tipperary,
and withholding the Tithes.—( Hear, hear, from the Opposi-
tion.) Was that an excuse for any man living, to with-
hold that from another which was justly due to him ?—( Hear. )
Was it to be tolerated that a man could not exercise
his functions without heir'' under the protection of the
soldiers even in the House of God.—( Hear, hear.)
—( Cheers from the Ministerial benches.) The Gentlemen
opposite cheered him as much as to say they had brought it
upon themselves.—( Cries of " No, no.") If the Clergy were
no chargeable with it, who was ? It had not happened by
chance only, or accident. It was the consequence of causes.
The causes were agitation—( Loud cheers)—long• continued
and reiterated agitation—agitation and misrepresentation
directed to a people who were the most easily excited on the
face of the earth. If the Clergy were held up as murderers,
if the magistracy were called murderers, if the soldiers were
called the instruments of murder, and if the people were con-
tinually reminded of the blood-stained tithes, was it a matter
of surprise that they should be led into excesses ?—( Cheers.)
Almost uniformly the Protestant clergymen extend to their
Catholic brethren the privilege of exemption from tithe. That had
been done in the presentinstanco, and yet this Catholic Cler-
gymen asserted to his flock that he was to be sent to gaol for not
paying his tithes. He had in his hand the letter of that
man, expressing his gratitude for that very favour, and yet he
had attempted ro point out this clergymaa to his flock as an
object of their indignation and hatred.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)