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respect, therefore, it was of great use to the agriculturists;
but it the in i•itet was removed to the country, it would
be no use in that respect. It they placed the market in
the country, how were they to get the cat& to
it ? By railway ? Why the evidence taken be
fore the Committee went to show that driving
cattle for five or six miles on a railway injured them;
that while they might be driven long dietenvee by
rail without i jury, conveying them short distances
aeoiled them, and tha . they had better b- wAked.
How, then, in the case of Irish, Scotch, and Dutch cit-
tle, coming from all the steamboat and railway stations,
in wet around London, could they arrange the mode of
conveying them to market? But the fair way to have
put the question to the House would have been, was the
House prepared wholly to change the s')siem o' 51.4 p!y-
log ru,at to the people of this great inetropolie? 1 hat
view of the case involved so many questioes, ail taxed
ui the one with the other, that it w,is most lik.lF any
fourteen men, as well as the Committee they hed no:J.
to do with. would, in considering it, be far more apt te
point out inconveniences than remedies. There was not
a doubt that if they removed the market from where it
now was, they would increase the price of meat; but
there was still another inconvenience to encounter.
Suppose they remov, d it to the outskirts of London—
to a place where there were few, or, perhaps, no
houses, in the meantime, but who did not see the
in this advancing aed extending metropolis that the
place which they might new select tree teem dwelling-
houses, might not in a few years, even before the new
market buildings were completed, be surrounded with
them, so that there would soon be as much anxiety for
the removal of that as there were now for the removal w
Smithfield-market. At all events, before they removed
the present market, let them show sltiJactorily how
they were to pro;ide for it in another place. His Hon.
Friend who had introduced the subject, had alluded to
a machine which had be,n invented for killing cattle,
which, he said, worked exceeding well, but which had
never been introduced in Smithfield; and he had also
stated that the price of meat was higher in London than
it was anywhere else, in. consequence of Smithfield
market. But that he denied; for although there might
be some prices dearer, and some cheaper, than in the
country, upon the average there was no difference in
price whatever. No doubt, and the butchers themselves
had whispered into his ear, that if gentlemen at the
west-end of the town, in large houses, did not pay their
eutchers' bills due in 1849, till 1851, the butcher was jus-
tified in charging a per centaee for laying out of his
money, but, that did nut affect the general price
of meat. Much had been said about the bruises
the cattle received, and the effect these had on the
meat; but they had it in evidence that most of
these were received in the course of transmission by
railway, or at alt events before they reached the market,
so that with that matter, in talking of the removal of
Smithfield, they had nothing to do. The Hon. Gentle
man proposed that a Bill should be passed, authorising
Government Commissioners to purchase forty or fifty
acres of land, on which to erect a market in place of
Smithfield; but the Chancellor of the Exchequer would
no doubt see that this land, if bought, would have to be
ail for, end would not be so ready in giving his sanc-
tion to such a measure. The Heu,e, however, was
now celled upon to adept a motion which would compel
Government Into taking such a step, and to such
a mo• ten he could net give his -upp err.
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Sir JOHN TYR ELL said he believed Stilithfi,H
was in some respt eta used as a transit market, but h,
believed at the same time that had they a market fitted
up with proper convent. Dues for the keep of cattle, and
with a piper supply of water a•tactied to it, so that
cattle could be kept teere until a market answering the
expectations or the seller, it would be of great edvan-
tage. Just, now they were obliged to sell, good market
or bed, its there wits no place for keep, and besides, from
the ready transit to it by ral...vay and steamers from all
qua ters, it, was one of the teost gambling markets;
not teat would be put an end to were the sy stem he
had stated a lepted. R presenting the county he dA.
It might be cap cted it him to support the present
market, and he could not:leny that in a commercial pint
of View it was a convenience to have the market near
tie Bank of England; but he could not go along with all
die cemini-ndations bestowed upon Sinittifield by the
Hon. Member ter Middlesex (Mr. 0-1) erne). whit was
calle f the butehi,irs' pet —(L•ughe•r)—and who, he he
dived, was to be heisted et a fish dinner after this at
umpt to remove it hail been defeated—along, of course,
with this, who had aided him in causing that defeat.—
(Laughter.) Upon the whele, he thought that Govern
m nt ought to t ke up the matter, and ascertain whether
or not it would be for the advantage of the public to
have another place provided for such market.
Mr. ORM.SiiY GORE said the object of the Hon.
Memb .r ho had introduced the subject was more for
the purpose of ascertaining the opinion of the Govern•
[Tient upon it than with a view to coerce them into the
consideration of it. The health part of the question he
considered the least important part, althougn that the
present market was detrimental to the health of the in
habitants of the surrounding locality had been fully es-
tablished. Professor Owen, Dr. Aldis, Mr. Grainger,
and a person named Grimesby, whose wife had died or
fever, caught by malaria, had all given decided evidence
in that respect. In regard to what had been said about
Smithfield being a transit market, that was one
of the strongest reasons why it should be extended
or removed to another place, for it was at present too
small for any such purpose. The tact, however, was,
that Smithfield had always been considered a nuisance—
fe the past 300 years it hal been so, for at that time
1,6001. was laid out in paving it, in order to keep down
the malaria arising from it. It should be also borne in
mind that the Aldermen and the Board of Trade peti-
tioned againsr, this market in Smithfield, and that they
expressed a desire that the cattle market should not be
less than 12 acres. He would refer the House to the
re solve of trie people of Manchester and to other large
towns, which entered into a resolution to remove the
catta3 kets outside the town, and this was well worthy
of consideration, as it had been already proved before
the Committee that there were in 1830 no less a number
than 189,00 J sheep and 30.000 cattle, and in 1846,
210,000 :beep and 50 800 cattle, and that in a space ot
51 accts. Such a state of things required to be consi-
dered by Government, and he hoped that such a pesti-
lent nuisance would be removed as immediately as would
suit the convenience of the public.
Mr. MACKINNON said that his motive for thus
pressint; the motion was, that many Hon. Members con
sid-red the report of the Committee of the House of
Commons on this subject would be considered as a dead
letter, if he hail not brought it on, and in concurrence
with those Ron. Members he felt fully satisfied that such
a Maiket was a nuisance and an abomination.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that he did not mean to inter-
fere with the Committee on this subj ct, and could not
otter any opinion until he saw their report.
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wHoUuSidSELL said that he had no objection to
aliow the Hon. Member to bring on his motion on Thurs•
day or Friday.
Mr. C. ANSTEY moved that the petition of Her-
cules Elie, Esq., barrister-at-law, complaining of the
c•tduct of tie Judges of the Common Paso; in Ireland
(presented 25. h June). be printed with the votes. Tne
lion. Gentleman entered into a long statement of the
use. when

M rHORNELY, as chairman of the Committee on
that macter, objecti,d to a line of proceeding.
Lo-.J J. RUSSELL said thac it there were really u
of impartial conduct on the part of the Cr.,wo,
there might be some ground f,r acceding to the
Goutlotnah's motion; but it appeared to him that there
was certainly none.
Atter a few words in reply from Mr. ANSTEY,
The trioiioo was negativ,d without a division.
Mr. FREWEN moved for a return of all the fees paid
to the Faculty-office, Doctors' commons, for dispensation
to clerg) men to hold benefices and pref rmetits in plu-
rality since the passing of the Act 1 and 2 Vic., e. 106,
called the Pluralities Act, stating the amount paid for
ea,:h dispensation, which was agreed to.
Mr. BRO rHERTON (in the absence of Mr. Bright)
moved that an humble address be presented to her Ms-
j,,sty, praying that her Majesty may be graciously
plea,ed to diuct the Commissiunt,rs of Woods and Fo-
rests to institute an inquiry into the reversions reserved
to the Crown in grants of land in Ireland, for the pur-
pose of ascertaining the nature, extent, and value of
such reversions, and of devising means for their more
simple registration and speedy sale or extinction, which
was agreed to.
BENEFICES IN PLURALITY (No. 2) BILL.
Mr. FREWEN having moved that the House should
resolve itself into a Committee on this Bill,
Lord J. RUSSELL opposed the motion, as he did not
think that they could deal effectually with a question of
that difficulty and importance at that advanced period of
the session. He should therefore move that the Bill be
committed that day three months.
After a few words from Mr. FREWEN, the amend-
ment was adopted without a division, and the Bill was
therefore lost.
JUVENILE OFFENDERS AND SMALL LAR-

CENIES BILL.
The order of the day for the House resolving itself
into a Committee on this Bill having been read,
Mr. R. PALSIER said he put it to her Majesty's Go-
rernment whether it would not be advisable to abandon
the Bill tor the present session, on the ground just stated
by the Noble Lord with respect to another measure—
namely, that they could not then give to it the necessary
consideration.
Aft,er a few words from Mr. B. DENISON, the further
consideration of the Bill was postponed till Thursday
next.
Tee Railway Amendment Bill passed through Com-
mittee with umk.ndments, after some discussion.
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