The Sun.
London, England, 1831-12-19 00:00:00

The Press had largely contributed 10 et./1
public feeling to that pitch which they 01
caw'. He asserted that an attempt was •p
terrorism of the Press. to carry the Reform- P",
I
could not say what would have become of the I.
Press in France for writing only nn the side ofl4ltl
but we had very good experience of a tyrannical
this country, writing on the aide of radicalism. '4l
extent the Press might have gone in France he eo',,
tell, but there was no period in the history of Fr, b)
the Roman Empire, or any other State, at wine
ever-was established so inexorable a dominion as O?
the radical Polignac Press, ever since the introit' 4
the Reform Bill, had been established here. 11'e,)
Lord would permit him to say that he had left until
many topics which on the former occasion had helot
by the opponents of the Bill. The Noble Lord
ilt
turned the proposition that the existence of 10.)
boroughs was incompatible with the popular hell-o'i
of those who looked to the great desideratum of 0
mentary Reform, all bad chosen the species of R's.o
-which, atthis-Reform, was opposed to the ancienti:iito
of nomination boroughs. How the Noble Lord ottol
this proposition he did not know ; but, if he mig"
1, II
from the inquiries. which he had made, he should Iltio,
the fact was not so. He would now call the at° t
,the House bhortly to the position of those Tvb^l:o
have votes in towns. The Noble Lord said that in I ,rt
Bill -one-third only would vote. This had been rer) 11
perly called by others the aristocracy of shopkeee 0
one-third who were thus to vote in large places 1 I
0
composed of the inhabitants of 10/. houses-1° oftd
was to satisfy the popular. wishes. That settloo oio
was to be so satisfactory, which was to b. not ototst
but a satisfactory settlement, came to this—that pot R 1
large towns, living in houses of 101. a year, woe
ilia'
t" 0
and all persons in houses below that value were
vote. He ventured to say that the popular fell{
those places would- be more-irritated, and lees gat' .
the franchise being given to 101. househoh
a power of nomin,tion prevailed. He said
franchise was a specks of nomination. Wi
more odious to the public feeling, and that 1
would give less satisfaction, than the saute(
hitherto prevailed. A principle was int
would be called in India a caste of boroughs,
not appear to him consistent with the march
the present day. They were all aware tin
times when there were castes, and when on'
mitted to go over to another ; but he thong
quite compatible with British feeling. .
would the 101. franchise operate in the new
old towns the suffrage was to be taken away
and lot voters, where the right depended upon
tion of a tenement, however small its value,
now introducing this aristocratical prinei,
according to the calculation of the Noble Loi
of the inhabitants were to h 4ve no right of
Noble Lord would permit him to sly that i
touched the objection which had been made .
the House to the metropolitan Members. Tli
Lord passed over, and gave it no- notice wha'
teen Members were, it seemed, to be return(
tropolitan districts. The Government iv
well to rtilect that this was in itself a fortni
particularly connected as those Members wo,
with the popular party. The Noble Lord
was one of the most insuperable objections o;
the House, and, finding that it was a,
al1:
passed it over unnoticed. He must beg to
. rii
Noble Lord whether lie individually thought lio t
to give
_those new Members to the metropolis? std
reasonable plan which the Noble Lord brought forst j,
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1819 not one syllable was to be found about
where the Arils were to vote.—(A laugh.)
lieved, if the Hon. Member for Calne were not An
himself, he would not like to canvass the Arida of S:dile,
hill.—(A laugh.) The Noble Lord had proceed
,110
to the enumeration of the Members, and said that hipert
:given to the counties that addition, and made that t'
to the number of Members representing towns coat°
a certain number of voters, which would be coaterflreg'
Ind would be found a great ally to the landed i°t *ifti
The Noble Lord had alluded to Cromwell's reform. 100
looked to Cromwell's reform he would find that tbe,
gt
interest had more than two-thirds of the elective Prltiglo,
But," said the Noble Lord, " you need not be so°,
destroying the balance between the manufactolo4
the landed interest, for I have given a certain n0;1, tr
Members to the counties, and have so arranged Wri 040
gard to the population of new towns, thit some 0' 001
shall have 500, and others, 5,000 voters, and PI)
depend upon it that country gentlemen will be
choice." But he said that there *ere even c‘lj-ir
which, in their divided state, would codtributeto
terest of the manufacturers. If the Noble Lord saiJ ;lc
the giving Members to the towns would form a COu'd
poise, his calculation was quicker than hii facts, B°,fld

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would be found that the Members would be • re
not by the landed interest, but by the manufso,
The House of Commons would be destroyed as
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principle of having castes of electors and caste. d 6 :::`itt,,k`ol:ee;
elected. The Members would not be returned $ f.l
he formul
fused and indiscriminate body, as at present.
would be a caste of landed Members andcaste of °litho 'ff't
of Itt4 to Or
nufacturing Members, but the represaentatives hi Pet
I tolled interest would be left in a grievous minority. dtd, ethat
bore
having a proportion of that House indiscriminatelY F,ttl'he
4414 t then
so that no class would preponderate over others, °'-slie
great vital principle upon which the constitution :41,,,t1t41;:i0:1645,:t;preteht:,
House of Commons, as a body representing the Pj'ttle that
depended. When the Noble Lord stated that this s:„e. r•
moot of the question would be satisfactory, I e wo°ls;:7 44°„Ithet1,7yil
limit him (Sir Charles) Mask him whom te4iltrt4ht an eie
Would it satisfy the Radicals ? Woul7le
tttt the attain
whom the Member for Preston took under his psiticoir
protection ? Would it satisfy the Political Union °li ir b
mingharn, the Union of Bristol, or the Union of ',;r sed--"''
chester ? Would it give satisfaction at Leeds, Mancse-1,1; of 4I "
The hose
Lord, Birmingham, all of them new towns?
dvo Ott 44, 4t to th
Lord, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and all 0 1,00 ktt,
acquainted with buildings of any descript. n mu t "-0,4 Pr,l (I,sen
that the house in which an artisan liVedi,o the I'so
ree as
happened to be two feet less or more, would be OK; thtan"
i
Si. or 10/. a year. Was this arrangement the tess,Ve 'tih4t4. first
It i
the march of intellect ? The Noble Lord exclaimed, •A lai"tios
have found out the glorious means we have found and T
the golden rule—we have discovered the won' of
t ti,
eureka' which will give universal satisfaction ittiep aq'tkt
towns."—(Hear, hear.) The whole of the quali6l,l et lsrl)ttsentlete"
for voting was to consist not in equality of r",s o 1 ain7ciwa„s
condition, not in equality of education, not in eqtnnot "s;:tt
1, sat
respectability, not in being equivalent in every resperit'efs
was to depend upon a man's living at this or that Di° or 'Lan"
street. If he lived at the east side, and paid SI. $ 10-o; 's'et4 mslt
he was to have no vote, but if he lived at the we°t' ode te
the north, or south, he was qualified. This was the' 1, g -
I,.the. lie ha,
which. these moral geometricians had found out of
suiting
satisfaction. A more senseless, irrational," };:itoptit Pi"
Ivhsr ti ration tin proposition could not be addressed to re 0
whose intelligence was to be consulted. But that,:ese 4",rezila
not enough. Who was to regulate the value of "-the tie!. -"Al
houses? The architects and surveyors. Whether rd *,,ashl",."
credit of this invention was due to the 'Nob!, m-the
(Brougham) or not he did not know. Probably
t:t
I,'lffeh-glitdstlfa;nd'dres
Noble Loid had not employment or patronage euong"fear "atthri
to
dispose of, and these builders, carpenters, and "(rifler'''. I` ttre-'
this latter personage was also to he employed-denl
his
travel through England to add some Reform patrooared hir4t. H
t;ti,tl .0 thi
the scanty patronage which the Noble Lord po.ew I
under the Bsnkrupt Bill. He believed he had n°,,"„bil's that‘,Yl
lulled to the principal expositions made b • the "'lse th
Lord, the Paymaster of the Forces. He rn)u.st allouf t"i, ,41,1114ert,' Inns
he had experienced great satisfaction in many of the :ill S
s 4 terations which the present Bill contained, but be P' l~tght to
considered the 101. clause to be just as objectionable -,1 bt 4re 4thr
ever. To the two measures, that of the last aea,ilo.oll ihpopik,4ol ar Fe
that now before them, he could not help applying
and hackneyed quotation—.so hackneyed, ireedt 1/7:4 ,114,1 0,„4e in
were it not for its exact application, he should
66' 411:ailree.
justified in using it— eh
Vitd at th,
" Facies non omnibus una
Nec diversa tamen : qualem debet e'se sororum." %It}
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He must here beg to call their attention to matter; th 'l)cd
duty. The instructions to the engineer were dated the" 7 r t%'
of November ; the Parliament met on the 6th of micewbe: ttllor-fjch
and this State engineer, this fabr:quant of Constituti°ll,. j
this remodeller of the old Constitution, had just ten dl/4 fete had
given him to get ready his documents ; and the Bill 1 '44. '44
must have taken less time than that in framing. 04,1% It h'
Houses of Parliament, instead of being called together '- ight tiitst th
January, were required to meet on the 6th December, *°l aPpl
order to be astonished, a few days afterwards, with tbji ~41
am vv
azing effort of the skill and ingenuity of LieutettO tts 71? a
Drummond and the Ministry combined, accompanied big
lly
a fasciculua of documents, number from one to tive, ~;41het-'4:at
which disclosed a gap from which two of the doculnrs;°
were missing. When he looked at the Bill, he was peke
fectly astonished at the precipitation with which I%lirrit'te'l t'
had hurried forward. The Hon. Member for Caine 111°phi v
attributed this to the slowness which had characterised
movements of former Administrations " and," Pa I" ittlt
iodide
eloquent Honourable Member, " the present Minieri''
corsequently, have to run." Now it was seldom that the
i° tt4to the
words of that lion. Member could be amended ; an
the present instance, he must take the liberty).o t of making $ 115,t-, t den
, ni. hat
slight alteration, and, instead of so m
r with at
Member, that Ministers had to run it, he 101"it,r) trik
they would have to cut and run for it—(Hear and lang""er Step f

Ace. 5. 5,
tbat trint:argrly
d that thi'q from ner not
which 101;/1 ttlocthe
the gttleu,i,p of
the
tern trili9 6f large in pr
ttroduced!iit PrianY two:
IP, and 0411,cito r •:" (Mr.
:h of into` of (:h
hat there ff;r. the manner
have
De was opt ,01 54jr,annee
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tight th3t elj the,,eu•
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r two, 1404 Put that
ofrom th'
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l'°6°P ft 00' t 4 I° head._
be bad that b
eat that ra4At Prophet
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would d° (Lo d tl
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void be c' ',pt 14'red a
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