The Sun.
London, England, 1813-06-12 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

Deficiency of Contribution 1812, exclusive of . , •
Array, l..Ntraiirditiaries supplied this Year -L.,2,,226,037
...Estimated Quota. of this. Ye4r, •
• ' i4gs of Army Extraordiliaris supplied this
Year, 8,661,58-Th. Brit.
Totcrest nd tiiu iut }'und on pri;ivnt Dv ht •
Grant to Sinking- Fund respect of Treasury
. - - -

9,:372,04
4,!Th1,b01

e. I ,60.1

Tai Tata! Supply '
.16,511,1356
meet 1%.1,1;eh there were.

WAYS AND MEANS.
Snrpins of Consolidated Mind L:3481,478
Itey,ltat:.B • . 4,600,(1!)0
•,11 Lotte: ies

Seal/Lyles AVa.;ei .
1-7tl3s of Cul 14. Naval Stores, 15-l7ths
tio:reuf bting taken cret,lit •for, b Epgii4l4l;
70,51 a. . • y
. „
Louri in Eni;land„, 6,00,0001. Britain, fi,500,000

100,000
73,425

7C,713

8,50,m0

Jilt; The first item in.iCiS estimate, viz, the anrplus of the Cnn-
solidated Fond ,tong thus
Butane. 6th ./tut. ISla ..... —A
Remaining- of Britiih Loan; 1Z41..

• • • 1,:5ar:,713

aimm, 4

nem, c r Artuz.;nl,
Principal of ontstauding Trcittoi'y
nnd Lutti r,r Prixr;>
•
Aril,;.slass Ltrilt; ''

.ttrplisi • ,
The charge. upon the Lonnq contracted this yeas
would
2.000,0n0i. at CI, it.g. for money .. .1t5,,750
li Lthin, C,'5t,Q,04j1. t 7i. 4,70,v20

. Tfie Mitirc. and TaNes to meet winch bar. )
in be heti pro.. posed to the tiouse in the coarse the their prOdtice Ire tSlitllatel its lettOWS
MCli,ti/Mi NV:li! it Tf.,')ticco ............ . 4.. 9t":,t100
alt, per Is4l, eel ...•
........... .....
`Rpirits, (sd per Gallon ..... ....... ... . . 110,000
rustast:3 it.,.rt ik per et and upwitmli leti,floo'
Poswge, Altet=ttion .11 Lhities ............ . ... 16000
Leathtr .;.• ....................... .
...

610,00 Q
In devising the means of answ,eting' these charges,
he felt thnt he urn 4 ;

agreeable than tiny person who had preceded him
in his office, had experienced. At a' time_,,when
the Countrywaslabouring msdervery couNiderahle
difficulties, lie aras obliged to. callMant her for 4,10.;
nlllll f_leties to 'meet the charges whiehbe bad just
stated T 9 understand perfectly the exertions
which Irelaed. was required to'itutke, it was -only
tteee.sary for the Committee to Call to its recoh
lection; what Great Britain had provided, in the
present year, and to contrast her contibution
leith that of Ireland. It would be found that
Ireland was, at the present moment, .eharged With
fresh impositions to the amount Of upwards Of
600;000/. which was, in fact, more than her jest.
proportion,. He was aware, that it was. the.
opinion of some. gentlemen, that the systetw're-
cently introduced in thiS country, might apply, in,
a certain degree, to Irelaud ; .and that recourse
might .be had to the Sinking Fund. 'But, how-
ever this might be. demanded:, by the hope 'of
avoiding Irish and onerous. herdens, yet, the ar-.
guments applied to the principle in this country,
could not be applied to Ireland in ita eintal
tent. It had been his principal wish, in thetaxes
whiclr he already bad the liononr to propose, se-:
veral, of Which had'' met the concurrence of the
House; arid t he sanction of Parliament, to press as
lit de as 'possible on the lower classes of the com-
laudry.; and to avoid bearing Mt those great
ti4MITCS of prosperity, vi'ech were absohitaly ne-
cessary to the well-being of a rising Country.—
To have pursued a .cOntrary plan, in a country de-
ficient in re.,arees, and possesainge.no.great ca—
pital, would he the means of defeating her pros—
perity, ail(' Tendering' ineffectual ,those hardeits
whieleivere imposed on her. He said already stet- •
ed, that the, .rharg.e.for the loans of the•preSetir
year was 505,8391. lie would now proceed twiny
before the Committee, the memo. by which it was
intiouted so meet,that charge. Ilt!had already sub-
mitted to the Hints.. a proposition for increasing
the rate of custom duties in Ireland, that increase
was 25 per cent. which was estimated to produce,
77,3261: The increased dutyol 128. 9d.' per cwt,
on tobacco, was esthie,:ted at 43;722/. The ad-
ditiottal duty on coffee, 19,900/. The increase of
one-third of the difference between the British
• and:. Irish- ditties ow .toreign wines, 40,565L-As-•
These; With one or twceother alterations In ex-
` /Sting taxes, formed an aggregate. ofa 'G5;()OOI.•---
fit had.been argued, at the time where lie first pro-
pclsed these alteratie• s, that it was not possible to
calculate on some of the articles so accurately as
on others ; but to prewmt any . disappointment
.which, m:ght he . apprehended from that eircum,
stance, care had been taken to lay the estimate as
low es possible: At the same time, he did not think
.it'eOuld be fairly admitted, because a tax in tbe
first instance had not reached the, estimate, that.
therefore iewould always continue unproductive.
In the present .instance, the sum 'likely to be
produced by the additional ditty 011 tobacco;
was very.considet ably. under-rated in the estimate,
and it was very probable , that the amount of this
tax would cover any diminution apprehended in
other items. The 'next duty seas that which had
already passed the House, the addition of 3s. per
barrel on malt, the produce of which was esti?
• muted at 15,000. The Right Hon. Gentleman
here entered into an elaborate detail 'of the data,.
out which he founded hiwassomption that tlihr.ad-
Oitional tax would produce the sum specified.; pat-
tienlarly as, it wits
.aecompanied by certain regula-
tions with respect to the malt ,aerie use of in the
distilleries. The next •duty he bad to notice, wits',
one to which; if he could
*fudge from the general
leaning of-the House, he could expect no opposi-
tion ; he allinled to an additional duty of, sixpence
per gallon on spirits It had been argued, that
3s. having been imposedon each barrel of malt,
thould bea corresponding duty laid on spirits. He
did not think that ;the additition of sixpence
per gallon Could materially affect the interests
of the ; at .thin same timer- he was-
as-
sured, that an increase :of duty on the distilleries
was a measure 'which Parliament ought not,,,and
would ootOn the present posture of affairs, be
sioxioos to oppose. Theamotint of this addition-
al ditty on spirits, calculated on .4,400,000/, gal-
lons, a leSs quantity thatewat ever known to have
been distilled in any oue,year, would be 110;000/.
The succeeding dutsrwas one to which the Home
bail already acceded-=that was, the augmentation'
of the assessed taxes. This augmentation was
somet hi lot. more than 25 per ecnt.',4 did not how-
ever, operate generally as a duty of 35 per cent.
because persona in the lower rauki of life:, who
might be supposed unable to bear it, did not.eome
within its scope ; ''it:operated only on theTieli and
luxurious. Taking, therefore, the whole tax, it
was estimated to produce 100,000/. The altera-
tiOn in the pestage duties, which had been agreed
to by the Legislature,• he calculated to produce
'15;000/. and an additional duty.. on leather,
whichwa'sictimated at 5,001. The whole amount
of these duties.woold be 610,000/' being 15,0001.
wore than the charges created by the. lOuni. The'
yeopitulation was as follows :--
•

ctsista our with YArisre.- on Tobacco L. 9441,000
VAIL, per Insi`rc=l 11403414)
Spi lit A, 414.1. gait an 11•4•••%:••. llOOllOO
A invreasso of 24 per cent.- nod ►►l►-
":vafGIY
, .
alteration us unties'
L'Wl' v..4•••

1001001
16,000
6,000

I. A t c►,fK.fo

ire bad laid before practical person's, conversant
in calculatiOns, several of the proposed th4ies,
and they had estimated their produce- at' a much
greater amount than he had taken :them nt.—
Having thu3 stated to the Committee the taxes
intended to be raised,, it would not be amiss to
compare the general state of Ireland, .at the pre-
sent day, compared With fr.mner years. Those,
1u believed-, who were errprainted,with the state of
ir'kod, and the nature of 'her resources, apd
who eouiidered the calls which had'hecil made
hp;iri !wt. pilice the Ujilion; Cottld 110 t
poW it poN,Oble for titz4l-!coontry' to have made
greliter B;writives 16111' I
, , • 19( doe n, daring
111'" w
)41 hidi 10.“1 elapsed. Sri!!, low-
sho bldjorretw(4l liibe peretived by. et„.,4„ryPirue'lsNi
"1"ot:
nieuts whi,h be !Alt 0.: tie ca.
9
the' year itotoclitttely sohsequent " loch,);
the pet produce of the „tfileitt;itai'und:

1,(-)NrioN Prii
tita V N OVVI

(the Citstomir lentil xcise Wine' :taken together),
was. 2,149;444: In 1810; the 'Customs alone
..amounted- to 2,5M918. ;
.being 300,0004: mete
than the , amount ot the CtOtotts and ;Excise in
1802. In 1814 , the net produee of the Customs.
amounted to r;555,6632. ; in 1812,, to 1,838,6531.
and in 1813; to 2357,5911. ; being -as much as the
Whole amount of,the Customs.litni 'Esicisein 1802.
The-whole statement- produce& this result, that
the net reventleiof keland, which in: 1802, was
2,441,3851. hid increased greely, the aver
ragwof the four last years„of,,which the year 1811
wars remarkable for the number of defalealions.—
The yea' 1810, produced, 4,335 ,-016/. ; 1811;
3,673,7141.; 1812,4,241';035/.,;1813; 4,975,0001,
Here was 'an increase. of more than, 700,0001.
in the present year., above that-, which pre,
ceded With respect to the debt of Ire-
land, it would be sufficient-to state, that the
redeemed ,debt; in 1801, was only
.1,000,0004
while, in the present: year, amounted to
16,886,3451.. At the former period, the propor-
tion of the. Sinking .I.i'und to the unredeenied debt,
was one to eighty-one: while;-at the
it was as,rme to fifty.—With respect to trade and
mitigation, they had increased very much in the
last twelve years. Whatever opinions Gentlemen
might hold on the Act
,o 1 Union itself, however
strong the ohicetioni,oehich they might have, itn,
bibed againSt it (objections which hemeant not
to Oppose, lor, if he had had an-oppintunity,
be would have. urged them at the 01110,-n-still,
it was. evident;. from a Comparison of the otlicial
value of exports for twelve years preceding, and
tweoe years. succeeding; the frhtion, that, they had
greatly increased in the latter period,

The total amount of official valtie of the Ex-

p‘mt:s of Ireland, for twelve years immediately
preceding the Union, was ' L.56,165;006
For the.twelve. year. 'subsequent

Iticiease in the last twelve years
TilC antic observation was applicable to the Int-
rorts--i
fhe total value of Imports, in the lirht INriod
d L.5?,.3r1G,600
. .

In the latteroperiod 77,279,000-

lherease it, the last 12 )care 2,1,9•13,000
I4ow, lie was aware, that, it might be argued,
that the increase of imports Was :Wovalways. a
proof' of
,the bwreasemf wealth litttjt could not
be supposed,. thatso great a diffei•etice could be
produced in' the course of twelve years, Unless
the country' was in a flout i.hing state. •

The number ut Ships which entered inwards in the twelve
yeas tor.•
TO 101, W4g 88,336
't'o 18W,, WILY 106,048

: • -....•
1ncrea5e....,...., 16,712

And a similar increase was observable in their.
tonnage; The Right Hon. Gentleman then.enume..
,rated 'the principle articles olexpo-ts, viz. barley,
oats, wheat, flour, oxen and tows, sheep, swine,
bacon, butter. and pork, and pointed out the in-
&ease which had taken piaci:in their expOrtation
during the liiictwelve years, With respect to the
general. improvement of the country, it was pretty
evident from the state of the exchange bet' een
Great Britain and Ireland, which, not withitana4
lug the stuns annitaq trammitte,l to Rl:menu:es,.
was very much decreased. 'Die rate of exchange
Was formerly as high us 20 ; ..but, in the best year it
did not rise to 6; it was not mare than or it
Many objectionS' had been made in- former. Nears,.
when the Irish Budget Was brought, fottward; ono
of these was the high charge tuf the. collection and
atunal.cetnent or the revenue. He was happy to.
announce,. that a very great improvement bad
taken place in .that- respect. The, flight Hon,
Gent. then entered into a statement to -chew the
saving which had taken place in the collection of
the revenue since 1811 ; ,frinn 'mettle!► it appeared,
that the grois revenue was now collected 3 pee
cents, tinder the rate of last year; and the net re..
venue 8 per cent. la 'the Pot,oltice Department,'..
the revenue was now collected ut a' lunch more.
moderate rate, ana with much greater ease than
formerly. The Right Iton. Gentleman then ob. -
Served, that Ireland could beer no more in the way
of taxation than was already imposed on her, with.,
out trenching on those tesources which Were the
foundation of her, .prosperity. He was favourable
to an union of the financial departments of time
two Countries, from which he conceived most be.
neficial results would be derived. But if Gentle.
men supposed that Ireland could afforli a contri-
bution on the same principle as that of England, in
proportion even to-her wealth and population,
they would find ,thernselves greatly mistaken....
With respect to the contribution of- Ireland Of 16
millions and a half, be would :say. nothing; be.!
cause the tiro 01-ism:ices 'of the country were-
now so different, and bore so varied an •aspect

from the period of the. Union, that it would be
unfair to say that the ealcubition was liist sight
„of, But, this he would ,say, that, unless the:
cireurnstanees'-of the country were exceedingly
altered, unless.tbere was a dirninntion in the ex-
penditure, it was impossible tor Ireland to go on
at this rate. of.contribution., -Parliament
not to
.deceive itself, by supposing thot country,
whose anim4l revenue was mi1y,5,000,000/ could
goon raising.. 16,000,600 V per amino,: Ireland
borrow to pay this contribution ; it was not
in bin' power to raise 11,000,000/. more to ..keep
up this ,auau 16',001/,0.001. net. exertions were
already as great as they could posobly he. ()prat
Britain %vast() raise in the present year I ,500,000/,
in new taxes ; and Ireland, a cou,try bearing no
comparison in respect to yesourees, would contri-
bute half.ttiait stun by fresh duties. No csuctitilcl
deny that this Was a fair, a great, a generous exr
ertion, in, the cause of Great Britain cause, in
the support of which she was not only pledged,
by compact, but which. she was hound to assi.lit
by every principle of interest aud safety. If Ire-
land was not called upon to •exert herself beyond:
her strength, if her -meads were not outrun *she
would prove to•the empire .a source of supply and
assistance, such as the most sanguine mind could
hardly conteinplate. If ber growing powers ,rverie
not eritslied'in their infancy, Great Britain-would.
find that tl.ce future exertions of 'lreland would not
liar interitir to those already made by .the lnyalty,
hardihood, and valour of her people. lle. con-
cluded with moving his Resolutions.

Ed S THOMAS, IVIoN), of No. 112, Strand; tali PuOishi
CH, bib 112, Straud, Mit:re rittivertiremento Orders 1

Cart .
knoving,ttle Atsf' Resolution, Mr, iiioncts-
conclormed the whole Irish sys•tent of fiintice as-
radically vicious, and gave it as his opirtions, that
the country never could flourish until direct taxa=
tion •was Tesorted to.

Mr; W, POLt totally-differed from the idea that
it was•possible. to raise the war taxes in 'reknit
as •in this country, within the year. instead of
increasing the,dircet taxation otArelana,. he re-
commended' the revision of the decision by, which-
her proportion of the nationatbarthens was fixed,
,at,,2-17ths,- which, though' it 'might be-ptoper at
the Union, when the annual expenditure wai
only twenty.-five' millions, had a very different
character when it amounted to seventy-two tail-
lions•:- also earnestly enforced- the'expediency
-of uniting the Treastiri.zs -of the two countries; and
consolidating. the debts.
Sir JOutsi•NEWPORT Woke on the. same side. •
A- Property Tax in Ireland he canside'red, to be:
perfectl,tinatta;nable ; 'it would only excite die-
quiet and do mischief; One of the greatest im-
provements tltat, could' be made, however, was to
separate the t'astle politics from the Treasury,
and insure the fair collection of the public reve-
nue. lit then stated' some minute particulars of
misconduct to justify his general charge-of the
taxes being tinfKirly
Mr.'W. POLE answered these--statements, and
observed, that the lion. Baronet; however often
refuted; alivays • returned -to, the same;story, and
• brought forward grievances if theylind not been.
amended ; whereaS the foundation of their cure
had been laid, and the Government had been
anxously etripkiyed -in gradnally removing errors
which it was impossible. to remedy all in an in,
stunt. Ile warmly denied that the,Castle politics
}it'd any thing 'corrupt attached to thtin, and sle-
signated such accusations as unjust and cruel to
those entrusted with the business- titthe

Air. PEEL denied that the'inllttence.of the CaetiC
was at alhqietrimental to the revenue ; he> defied
the 1-lon. Baronet- to produce a ' instance
where a defaulteriwas screeticd on account of any
political interests ;The Irish Government was
making -every, effort -:to correct the- abuses-which.
existed : the regulatiOns introduced' by the Right
11.on:Gentlennin (Mr. Vole) were acted upon, and
others. hail/been adopted: •
Mr. FITZGEItiILI/ briefly: replied to the ergo.
Merits which had been addtteed; and thought it
was rebel an unseasonable time. to • complain of
the vicious collection of the Revenne, when, itr
the last year, it' had so greatly exceeded all oe-
ceding. years:

A few ‘rords from m-f. CROR ER, the Re-
solutions-were agreed to, and the Speaker having
returned to the Ch►►ir, it was moved, that the
Report ,of the,Gounnittee should. be received to-
morrow.

Mr. PONSONAV objected to the bringing .up the
Report so soon, considering the humeilslty of the,
sun) which had been Vrovided fur the service of
theyear

'lire CION,CIILLOR of the 17.ActiPurim said, that
,
tt -was necessary that the Report of the Resolu-
tion respecting the Lokrri sliould be brought up
withont delay ; the others might be postponed.
till Monday, which was avreeti