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might bring out some minor discrepancies, yet in ten
thousand more important points he led him to corrobo-
rate what he had said.—(Sensation.)
Prisoner—l can't help that, my Lord. This man has
perjured himself.
The depositions were then read by the clerk.
The JUDGE—Now, will you show the contradiction?
Prisoner—You state now that only one powder flask
was found in the drawer. Witness—l believe I for-
merly said there were two found there, but that was a
mistake.
Prisoner—Did you make any memorandum of tho evi-
dence you have given against me? Witness—Yes, I did;
about two days alter
shwohwaetdl thehave statedoccurred.
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Re-examined—
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kitchen to Emily Sandford. They did not open at the
side with a strap behind.
Robert Thompson was here recalled and cross-exa•
mined by the prisoner—l have been examined twice be-
fore now on this matter, and was only a yard or two
behind Pont when he arrested you.
Prisoner—Did you search the closet? Witness—No;
I stood outside.
Prisoner—l want his depositions read, my L rd, on that
subject, to see whether or not they are consistent.
The depositions were read, and it was there stated
that witness had searched the closet.
Witness explained that he was prevented searching
the closet by the box it contained, but that he assisted
in searching the box. He could not say whet had passed
when the wigs were discovered, as he had not seen them.
The charges were first drawn from the guns at the co-
roner's inquest.
The prisoner subjected this witness, like the preceding
one, to a long examination on minute and trifling points,
evidently for the purpose of picking out some discrepancy
between his evidence and the depositions made by him
before ttie coroner and magistrate.
Prisoner—Have you not sworn that the closet door
was broken open? Witness—No, I have not.
The prisoner read from the depositions of the witness
a passage in which he mentions incidentally that the
door had been broken open.
The JUDGE said, that the prisoner would have the
benefit of the contradiction, such as it was.
John Mortar, of the county police force, said that
when told that the two Messrs. Jermy were killed, and
that he was arrested, the prisoner said, "Good God ! I
hope they don't suspect me."
Prisoner—l hope Mr. Cann won't communicate to the
other witnesses what passes here.
The JUDGE—Mr. Cann I tun sure understands his duty
too well to do se.
Witness—The prisoner asked me when the murder
took place; but neither I nor any one else told him. A.
little after, however, the prisoner observed that he under-
stood it had taken place about eight o'clock. I imme-
diately observed, "From whom did you hear that, as
you are the first person who has named any time in this
house ?" He replied that he had heard one of the
policemen say so; but no one had made such a statement
to him in my presence, though I was with him up to that
time from the moment of his arrest. He also observed
that he would have been there about the time the tour-
der happened unless he had been told that young Jermy
was at home. Young Jermy was a gre.tt enemy of his,
but the old gentleman and he were better friends than
they had been.
Prisoner—Have you seen Pont since he left the court?
Witness—Yes ; but what he said had no relation to any
evidence I had to give.
Prisoner (who caused a smile in court by saying " I
don't believe you, sir,") complained of this, as it was
most important to him that the witnesses should be kept
separate.
The JUDGE—You shall have the benefit of the fact
stated if it is worth anything.
Prisoner—When you arrested me you took me by the
right arm ? Witness—No ; by the left.
This is a fair instance of the contradictions into which
the prisoner songht to lead this witness like the two pre-
ceding ones in the course of his cross-examination.
Stephen Amos, inspector of police at Norwich, corrobo-
rated the evidence of the last witness as to what was
said by the prisoner about the time of the murder, his
conversation with the police at Potash, and on the way to
Bridewell. The witness produced a shot bag and powder
flask found in the drawer, and a shot belt, dark lantern, and
powder flask found in the closet of the prisoner's bed-
room at Potash. farm. The carpet bag which he pro-
duced was not in the closet, but the bedroom, and it was
empty. There was also a carpet bag full of papers
under the bed. He was searching at the time for fire-
arms, and he examined the bag for that purpose, but he
did not recollect hearing the prisoner say anything as to
the importance of the papers contained therein. He
had seen Pont since he left the room, but had not spo.
ken to him.
By the JUDGE—The conversation as to the time ce
the murder took place after the search in the bedroom.
Thomas Osborne, policeman at Norwich, said, that
before breakfast, on the morning after the murder,
the prisoner asked him which was the man who told
him when the affair happened. He replied, that no
such remark had been made down stairs. At break-
fast with Emily Sandford, the prisoner said to
her, " I am accused of murdering Jermy.
It is that fellow Clarke who has done it, but you and
Savory can clear me. He washed my boots at hah-
past five, and you know I didn't go out." 'After a
pause he said, "Have they been asking about me?"
And Emily Sandford said, "Yes; the stout man down
stein has been asking if you were out last night, and I
said that you were away a quarter of an hour." The
prisoner replied, " I was not away more than ten mi-
eut,s, and you know I had my slip-shoes on." She
said, " I don't know that you had; I did not see you
put your boots on." He observed, "I have ho doubt I
shall be suspected, bccaiLie we have lived on such bad
terms. Of late the old 'un and I have been better
friends, but the son is my bitterest enemy." Ho re-
peated, " I am sure some one told me the time when the
affair happened," and he several times asked for his cloak
to put it on.

Cross-examined by the prisoner—The words which I
heard you use on being arrested, as near as I ca❑ recol-
lect, were, 6. Good God I I hope I am not suspected, it's
rather a serious offence."
A slight discrepancy arose between the witness's evi-
dence and his depositions before the magistrates and
coroner, relating to the fact of his having seen the pri-
soner going up-stairs at the Potash-farm.
Henry Hubbersty, superintendent of county police,
said—l was at Potash farm-house on the Ist of Decem-
ber from twelve to four o'clock in the afternoon. I went
up into the prisoner's bedroom, and found there the box
which I produce. It was shut, and on opening it, besides
pipers, I found a widow's cap, some old papers, a wig
with whiskers attached, another wig with long hair, a
woman's front, and a travelling cap. When the prisoner
put it on before Elias Chestney, he asked me to assist
him, and I said, " No, put it on yourself." lie said
nothing about its belonging to him. He also put on a
cloak at the same time.
Prisoner—Did you hear what evidence Watson gave
on Tuesday night in the brown parlour? Witness—No;
I got to Stanfield-hall at three o'clock on Wednesday
evening, and left it to take you to Bridewell.
Prisoner—Did you, on your oath, hold any communi-
cation with Watson or Emily Sandford on that occ,ision?
Witness—No, with neither, except getting the latter a
cup of tea when she complained of its being cold.
Prisoner—The evidence given by this witness is so
differnt from that which went before that I shall just
go on.
Witness—Shortly after I went to Potash ou Friday
I found Emily Sandf:rd alone in a room, r.nd said
her,' I-Ad you spe,k the truth yesterday ?" She burst
to tears, and said " No." None of those who were with

me said anythir, to her. I then drew up a written state-
ment of what she said. It was not signed by her; and I
gave it to Mr. Cane. Arrangements were then made for
examining her a second time at the Castle.
The prisoner here asked the witness what did Emily
Sandford say about the papers?
The JUDGE—You cannot ask that question.
Prisoner—l ask nothing but what is consistent with
the ends of justice.
The JUDGE—You will excuse me, sir, you have no
right to ask one witness what another has said, except
to contradict something which has been stated by the
latter. I have been exceedingly reluctant to stop you,
but nine-tenths of the questions you ask are irregular.
Cross-examination continued—When witness got in,
there were several pape-s lying on the table; nib
one but Mr. John Cann and Miss Sandford were there
at the time. When the closet was opened the first thing
found was a cash-box; Mr. Cann tried to open it with
several keys. The papers were found next. The box
was taken away when the parties left, but he could not
say if the papers were removed also.
The witness was examined with the greatest minute-
ness respecting the most trifling and apparently useless
details of everything which took place on the occasion of
the police visiting the farm.
Samuel Savory, labourer, of Wymondham, deposed
that he knew the prisoner twelve years. Recollected
the night of the murder. Saw the prisoner that day
between the Wymondham•lodge and Mr. Coleman's,
going towards Wymoodham, about five o'clock. It was
getting dark. _ _ _

Cross examined—Was sworn in Mr. Cann's "office.
Did not know how long ago it was. Had been sent for
by Mr. Cann.

- William Bacon deposed he was a sheriff's officer,
and was employed to distrain on the prisoner, in Oc-
tober, 1847, at Potash, by the late Mr. Jenny. Re-
membered the prisoner saying, on the 18th of October,
something about Mr. Jenny and Mr. Clarke. He said
he would " do for them on the first opportunity."
Cross-examined—Had never mentioned the threat to
Mr. Clarke, or to any one, till the morning after the
occurrence of the 28th (the murder), when ho spoke
about it at Attleborough. The police came to him in
consequence of what he said.
Robert Martin, bailiff at Norwich, was employed to
distrain on the prisoner at Feloungbam in October 13,
1847.

Richard Reed, lived at Thames-
-IC-new John Lamhimer. Was introduced by to Rush
Thames-street, London.
in March, 1847. Had had some papers belonging to
thenci
.forraer, and relating to the Stanfield-hall property,
asked
spec table solicitor
afterwards taken fronra 0
Accompanied the prisoner to Mr.
Waugh, a solicitor.i
if he would lay them before some re-
Waugh,papers were
Mr. Wilson, another al
the hands of Mr. Flower° lekt°r*. They were put in
n'i.a.4,l put into the hands of
artk%
itllitrd solicitor, and Rush
said, " They had got
st lawyer to carry
to himself from the
on the cause." [ldentified a leoti::
ireston, and
prisoner, dated 2d of May, 1,848 r
unexpectedly got a will of the Re;
to
ietter,
grating that he had
asking for an appointment, in order *to corn.
steps should be taken in facilitating
proceseudlit as to W hat
recovery of the property. Identified anothern fr. the
dated 2d of October, which has been referred
trial, making an appointment for Reed, Lamer, natnil Jermy, at 2, Mylne-street, Islington, on the 3d Of Oc-
tober, and stating they would be introduced to the lad
who was to find the money; (Emily Sandford, it mayy
be remembered, was the only woman present on that cc-
cadcn), and that the Priwale: would tulfyld his P 144