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London, England, 1807-07-03 00:00:00

ARMY CLOTHING.

Alr. ROSE meant to move, that there be laid be-
fore the House copies of the Paymaster.,General'h Ac-
counts relative to the Clothing of the Royal Veteran
'Battalions, and Of all Letters that had.passed upon'
that subja,l, froth' Aug. 1 , fso4, to Feb. i, t HO. His,
reason far making this Motion was, that when he
had formerly made a similar Motion from the other
side of the House, several Papers had been •withheld,
which were Mit essential to give the House a full
and fur vie« of a matter' highly I,vorthy of .its at-
tention, 'and involving the public interest in a very
coosikrable degree. ".When he had been appointed
one .of the Paym,isters-Qeneral, ' his attention. had
.been- direaed to find out what savings could be
made in. that department of the public service, and
aocuiding to the , suggestion of the. Committee of
.Finance,. of which the Speaker had, in a manner
strhortOurable to,hinisclf, and so meinl to the coun-
try, aett;,a Chainicm,
.he found that the clothing
was the tumid! in which that saving was most;.prac,
tic;thle, Th'e marin6s Were cl*ed by one person
at ts. tid. a suit''for the. Frivates. :The Royal
Veteran Rattalion were clothed by Mr. Dickie, at
7s, 9d. a SUM. Thus there appeared a possibility

Mr. Courtenav, ro'supply these Battalions at 11. 3s.
a Suit, according to a pattern, the excellence of
which was acknowledged by Mr. Dickie himself,
and by the other army clothiers. He had accord- •
ingly contracted with I.lr. Courtenay for 11. '33.
But the contract had been taken away this year ,by
the 'Noble Lord opposite, and given to Mr. Dickie
and Mr: Box (this transaction was jocularly called
the job with the Dickie Box), at an advanded
the price at which they contra&ed being 11. 4s. 9d.•
his was a loss of is. gd. a snit to the country, or
19001. and upWards, on the whole clothing of the •
Veteran Battalions. No complaint had been made
on reference to the Cemmanding Officers, except
that the suits were in some instances too small, and ,
then they were immediately changed on application.
(Here Mr.,Rose read the Letters stating these fads.)
These Letters had not been presented by the Noble
Lord among the Papers ordered on his Motion. The
object of the present Motion was to have them pre-
sented now, in order to give a full and titir view, of
this important subject; a subject well worthy of` the
attention of the, House, as this particular transaction
was of that of the ComMittee of Finance, or the
Committee of Military Inquiry. He moved that the
Accounts be laid before the House.
Lord'TEMPLE thought the Right Hon. Gentle-
man' might more properly have referred the whole of
this Matter, which he thought so worthy of the in-
vestigation of the Finance CoMmittee; or the Com-
mittee of Military Inquiry, to either of these Com-
anittee4 but as the Right Honourable Geetleman
had thought lit to bring it before the House in such
an accusing, manner, it would be necessary for hiih
to go into a particular, detail for his own vindica-,
tion. The letters alluded to by the Right Hon.
Gentleman were hot laid before the House,• because
the substance of them was contained in the minute
of the Pay-Office, which was laid before the House.
It was true, the letters of the Cornmanding Officers
were in general to the effed stated by the Right Hon.
Gentleman. But he had received other letters of a pri-
vate nature, stating the badness of the materials, and of
the making up, and the smallness of the size. of Mr.
Courtenay's clothing, 'in such strong terms, thathe
felt it his ditty to make a particular examination:—
This examination he made by comparing a suit of
Mr. Couilenay's in wear with a suit of a man be-
longing to a recruiting paky in town, and one of the
Guards; On the examination, the complaints of.
Mr. Courtenay's clothing appeared well founded,
and he thought it his duty to contra& with the next.
lowest bidder, ,Mr. Box, at tl. 4s. 9d. tb& other
biddings being 11. 7s. 3d. and fL Bs. ad. He thought
the difference more than compensated by the'
superiority in materials, workmanship, and size,
large clothing being particularly necessary to the
comfort of old and wounded invalids. The 'addi-
tional expence of 100. be was sure would not be
:thought ill-bestowed in procuring such comforts to
,persons who had SQ strong 'a claim to them. The
Noble Lord read a letter, from Major Vowel; 'cent-
manding the 2d Veteran Battalion ; and-one from the
Quarter-master oldie Battalion in the 'fewer, stating
strongly the defects imputed to Mr. Courtenay's
clothing. One of these letters stated, that of 1,000
.suits, only (300,were large enough 'to be used, and
that On ,applicatign Mr. Courtepay„ cloth could
not be obtained for the necessary enlargement.
Under all these circumstances,. he thought it his
duty to make the change in the contractat the ad-
vanced price now before the House. ~,He Wished
the transaction to' be inquired into by either the
Finance ,ComMittee or the. Committee' ref Nlpit:ary
Inquiry, though he thought the Right Hon.. Gentle-
man ought to propose a particular' Committee of
Inquiry into this trantaCtion,'as he had brought it in
such an acdusing form before the House. He wished
the Papers to be produced.
Mr. LONG said, that now, by a regulationof the
late Board of Treasury, the clothing was contracted
`for by adVertifiement.' 'The person' who agreed to
.furnish at the lowest 'price, according to a pattern'
suit shown' by the dothing Board, had 'the centred,
giving security for the performance of his, engage-
ments. The statements of the Commanding Offi-
cers were in dire& opposition to the change toot. had
been made in the cootraa. 'Hii:•hoped the 'Noble '
Lord would lay his private doCumetits . before 'the
Committee 'of Finance. The change hi the don- ,
tract had been made, however, . before the'answ,era,
Ofthe Officers had been received.
Lord 110IVICK complained, that those charges
were preferred without giving his Noble Friend the .
opportunity of a fair trial.. From the' infointation
his Noble Friend had received.; he was not Only jus-
tified in transferring the contra& ai be had done„
but, he would have been highly culpable if he had
not transferred it. He knew not, whether the cloth-,
fag of the Marines was furnished by Mr. Celine-
tiay---3ht he had heard, while at the Admiralty,*
very general complaints of the Mar* clothing. ."
Mr. PERCEVAL said; the Noble 1.:,0rd had to •
blame - hithself for any hardship he found:,in the
charges preferred against hitn.--The Noble, Lord
had left in the Office docoments direCtly in,epposi-
lion to the transfer he had made of the. contraet
and he kept in his pocket the documents that-gave
any colour of propriety to it. ,
Mr. WiNnualt thought the Right Hon. Gentle-
man opposite ought to have brought: a dired charge,
to allow his Noble Friend a fair trial, and the com-
plete acquittal to which 'be was entitled,
Mr. JourrieroNe thought every contract for the
public service 'should be made with the lowest
bidder.
Mr. YVIIDERPORCE spoke to the same effed,---
There was alWays security for the due performance
of the contra& •
Lord H. Perry read the minute of the Pay-office,
to shew it contained the substance of the letters, the
withholding of which was complained of, He
'thought it would be sometimes, and perhaps oftener,
proper to give some - advance:. in price, , sir order to
secure the supply,of a better article than could be
had at time very cheapest rate. Ile expatiated on th'e
deleas in, the clothing furnished by Mr. Coartenay,
General TAsll.E'ruN thought it n'rong in the Noble
Lord to have relied on the report ;of one Major and
one Quarter-Master, in opposition to all the Com-
manding Officers, A Genthaman on the opposite
side, of the House (Mr. Calcraft) had said, this should
be an inquiring Parliament. The Gentlemen oppo-
Ike had furnished many Subjeds,deserving in luiry,
and this Was one of them.
Mr. HUSKISSON thought the inspection of the'
Board of Clothing the proper teat for all articles in

vate information, in opposition to public information,
in a case in which a public inquiry could be insti-
tuted.

Mr. COCHRANE JoHNST.ONE 010110 t this as com-
plete a job as auy he had= ever heard of, and he
hoped that it would draw the attention of the House
to the subject of the clothing of the army. _
The Motion for the production of the Papers was
then agreed to.
The SECRETARY AT WAR presented the Army
Estimates, and gave notice that he would to-morrow
move certain Resolutions respeding-them. `..
Lord Howicx enquiiedi whether there were dise
tin& Estimates of the additional .Expences that would
arise from restoring. the Allowances, to Volunteers,
and froM the Establishment of Inspecting Field Of-
ficers ?

The SECRETARY AT .WAR replied, , that the Esti-
mates were similar to those of the last year.
Lord HoWfox observed, that where "a` new"ex-
pence was incurred, it was usual to prepare a fresh
Estimate.

Mr. HiJSKISSON Old not think.such a Separate.Es
timate necessary, but .was.competent to the Noble
Lord to. move for it.

The SPEAKER apOrellelidCd' to be the usage of
Parliament, to. require Estimates of the totals of the
sums voted towards the Supply, but that the details
rested with the. Crown.
Mr. HUSKLSSON mentioned that the total 'Of the
Volunteer Estimate, including those new Expences,
amounted 1,4p0,0001. 7

Lord HOviICK. still insisted on the propriety of a
separate Estimate.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER remarked,
that a separate Estimate of the nature required by
the Noble Lord could not now ba produced, as the
amount of the additional expenee was at present a
matter of conjeaure. He proposed- that all the
Estimates, but those which related to the Volun-
teers, should be voted to-morrow,; but as on the
Volunteer EstiMatas a difference of opinion prevail.--
ed; the consideration of them *should be post/xi:led
to a more-distant day.
• After a few words from General FITZPATRICK,
The SECRETARY at WAR- gave notice, that-he
would to-morrow move all the Estimates, except
those that related to the Volunteers.

Mr. AsnETor brought up the Ordnance Esti-
mates, and gave notice, that he would to-morrow
move certain Resolutions respeating them.
Mr. ROBERT WAttU brought up the Navy Esti-
mates, and gave notice, that he would to-morrow
move certain ResolUtions respating them.,
Lord H. PETTY postponed his notice-of a Mo-
tion which stood for to-morrow to Wednesday next.
THE SHERIFFS OF•CAITHNESS, if4c. AND LORD
• CULLEN.

Mr. AD4M rilse to make his promised 'Motion 1
i
on the above subjects, • He entered into a.descrip- -I,
tion of the office of Sheriff Depute in Scotland.: it
was a seledion of local jurisdiction of the highest
importanee, and one in which it was extremely ne-
cessaly that the duty shOuld be performed with as
much dispatch as possible. ' The Shrievaltiei of
'Sutherland and Caithness were formerly united ;
but, in consequence of the inaccessibility of the for-
mer county, it had been deemed necessary to sepa-
rate them, and to appoint a Sheriff for each. This
occasioned anexpence of only 3501. a year. Slither,'
land was a county. containing' 26,000 inhabiiant3,
and he appealed to all who..knew Scotland, 'whether
the appOintment of a separate Sheriff Depute did
not stand recommended on public grounds of. ad-
vantage.? He then; explained the situation of the
counties of Kinross and Clackmannon; neither of
which had a Sheriff Depute. The Sheriff Depute
of Stirling had jurisdiction in Clackmannon,and the
Sheriff Depute of Fife in Kinross'. Iti. the latter
county, as long as he remembered, the Sheriff De-
pute never did himself discharge the duty of his
of ice;, but appointeda. substitute for that purpose,
who, though a Very respeta'bleiliaii, possessed no
.legal information. , It became necessary to rtmedy
these evils, and nn public, principles of '.inlay She-
riffs'Depute were atiliointed let those two. counties
of Clackmannon and • Kin' r., To' &fed' this, it
became necessary to ob;ain !i.e ferricatreSigitions
of the Sheriffs ofFile and,Stirling, who. were alter.
Wards .re-appointe6 with their salaries. He next
proceeded to the subjed'of the warrant for,granting
a .pension to Lord Cullen, and expressed his regret
that the subject should come forward in Akpresent.
shape; more especially, -as, on: that day, or on the
next, the Baron of the Courts of Exchequer in Scot-
land would come 'to a" deferniinatiOn upon it. ..1-le
ptiss(l4,the,highest eulogitim on 'his Noble Friend ;
and declared, that a more enlightened scholar, a More
profound. laWyer, a mere agreeable compattion, and,
a more agreeable gentletium never existed... He
• would shortly'state the circumstatees under Which .
the warrant was granted, and he was sure he Would
satisfy the House what was proposed to be done was
net mere than ought to be done. In 061ober, 1805,
"be received an intimation from Lord Cullen, that
having spent, a day 'with the Duke of Portland at
Bulstrucht, his Grace expressed a wish. to COLDlnn-
nicato with him (Mr: Adam) on the, subjed of a
pension for Lord Pullen'for life, with a reversion to.
his daughter. The change.of Adiniaitraiinn, which:
soon after took 1)1a-eel-prevented the conviction of.
this business. In 1806, it was natural for Lord
Cullen, who had' been connected with the late Ad-
"ministration, to bring his case again under considera-
tion. He did not contend that in any case it is tit
to grant a pension to.a Judge for, life;, bUt he con-
tended that the Crown should have the power of
doing's° i and he contended, . that in cases in ,which
a Judge was involuntarily involved in einbarrasa-
, • ments, it was incumbent on the Crown to-endeavour
,to relieve him: ' Lord, Cullen- was the eldest son of
' Dr. Cullen, one of the greatestrnen 'that 'Scotland
ever produced, and who had raised.the reputation of
the Medical. School of Edinburgh,' irk the height at
which it thee- stood. Dr. Colleni, however, died
poor, and left a large family; the 'younger branches
of that family were in a great'aieasute provided for
by the pnblie.:; bdt Letd. Cullen, the eldest son,
could nut guardithnsell frd`tii , the effeet of the em-
barrassments which iesi;etitled to him from 'his fa-
ther; and was- in consequence obliged to give up
two-thirds of the revenue of his situatien, to relieve
himself in sonic degree from those embarrassments;
J.' 4c so circumstances were taken into consideration
by the Lute Ministers; and there was every reason
to snppose brat in Angust last' the *affair was coin-
pleted. However, owing to official delays, th`e.War-

. .
Cullen for life, with a provision of 2061, agar to
Mrs.-. Cullen, was one of the last acts of the late Ad.
ministration. From that period until Mlndny last
he had heard nothing more about it. He, had no
idea that thewarrant was for any thing else but -a
provision. for life • he was sure Lord Grenville
meant it to be for life. If when the grant was pro-
dbtecl it should appear on the face of it that it was
during pleasure, he would contend that. it was an.
error ; the very. circumstance of the reversion must.
shevv•itwas an error. As-he had before mentioned,
the Barpns of the Court of Eltchequer in Scotland
.were at this time employed in considering the sub-
jest, and • he deeply regretted that it had been men-
tioned in the House of Commons until their Report
had been made. As it was, however, he thought it
his duty to Move, that an humble Address be pre'
sewed to his Majesty, praying that he Would be gra
ciously pleased to cause to be laid-before the House
a Copy -of the Order appointing Sheriffs Depute
to Ute. Counties of Clackmannon. and Kinross.; and
-also a-Copy of the Warrant forgrantinge Pension-to
Lord Cullen. ' .. .. . .
The LORD ADVOCATE ofSCOTLAND was
desirous that tlie letters and applications of the
Sheriffs Depute for these Counties should be laid be-
-fore.• the House. Without meaning to throw any
imputation on the respectable individuals who had
occupied the new offices,. be termed their appoint-
ment _an . unnecessary or _wanton expellee. To •
prove this; he entered into a history of the Sheriffs
Depute of Scotland ; they were divided. into five ,
classes ; each-class receiving a salary pyoportionate '.
to its labour, :by the new arrangement, the Sheriff
of Sutherland, who was placed lu-the last class but l4
one, because no peculiar difficulty attended his shut. . :!'
tion, wasto receive a higher salary than someoft hose' .:
in the first class ! The Sheriffs of Stirlitig, and Fife
had, it seems, resigned, to give an opportunity tbr :„ri
the new arrangements. He would like to. know if `•,'
they were not solicited to do so ? •With. respect
.•-, '
to - the pension granted to Lord Cullen, he-. would
not follow the Learned Gentleman in his. detail on:,•
that subject, but he was. surprised that if it wag`;
thought advisable to take such a step, it was odt•II.
donein such a manner as to preclude the neceg- •••••,!,.
thy of bringing it under the 'consideration of thee.V't
House of Commons. He- concluded by 'some se- -..„
- .vere remarks on the creation by his Majesty's rate
Ministers of new Professorships in the Universitrof :'
Edintiuigh—ahat of Medical Jurisprudence, and that . ~
of Military Surgery. . • • 6•
Mr, CIIA RLES WYNNE defended the inatint- •
tion of the two new Professorships. There, was''..,
scarcely a College on.the Continent which-had not. ;
•-,•
'lone had a Professor of Jurisprudpoce, and the e& .:-
i'Otitiges allaying a distinCt Professor of • Military •,1
-Surgery Were. obvious. • :: : • 4
Mr. COCPPANE JOHNSTOATE declared, that i
a' more honest, uptight, and able Judge, ilfan Mr.
Williamson' the Sheriff Depute. of Stirling; could
.tsog.exist. - .- He happeuedi to. .be. with . him_ xylie o lie
received a letter from Lord Spencer, requiring .110
to resign, pro ternpore, in order that a distinct Sheriff I t
might be appointed foe Clackmaiman. Mr. liVil' `'...
-•liantsotr,d,cplaisetl•to;ltim, that such. ,an appointment
was wholly . unnecessary, and exclaimed, in his
Northern dialed, " Guile God, Maister Johnstone,
~did yuu ever see sic a job Pl—(A loud latigh.)--• -:
e. With respect to the pension granted to Lord Callen,
A .he reversion to Mrs. Cullen was a grass insult 10
the morals and feelings of the, people of Scotland.
;
Mr. DUNDAS never heard of the least necessity
for "the appointment of. (he ' new Sheriffs.' •As to
Lord Cullen 's pension, the.cliaraCier of that teartiFd
, Lord certainly stood very high; but when he was
-thin seleCled from a body of-men, and-shewn Iv'
ouliay, indnlgencies, he thoughrit,iudikpensible that
more speCific grounds should be
•, tneasure than whatlad iitherto
,i);,eiettlateatidv:;rcesili.tch a
' Mr. LAING defended the • appointment •pf the
' Sheri& The question was not, Whethet the Sheriffs
of Sijrling and Fife declared that there was nbtldng
to, do in Clackmannatt aiiirkijiiiiii;Thlt-Tvlieilier
the people 'of-Clackinannan..and Kinross. were satin-
Ifled- tvith the; coming there to do any
thing for. thorn: .He had never understood that
,Lord Cullen was a very particallar friend to the last .
Adininistration, and he could. not therefore see tl,lo
justice of imputing the grant which he had receive
to party motives. Adverting to the •argutnenti
.urged by a Learned Lord against the appointment
of the twO. new Professorships at Edinburgh, be
o)aseived; that similar arguments might have been,
,applied- with equal'force against the appointment of
Dr. Blair, as Regius Professor of The Belles Lento' i
or of Dr. Walker, as Regius Professor of Nature'
History. Those appointments might as well be
Called jobs.as.the present ; but ha confessed he wni
7 dot surprised that men Who had belonged to an Ad"
ministration the-most unfriendly to Literature- that
_ever existed, and by whom genius of every ,dee
scription had been left to pine in want—he was "L
surprised that such men should condemn conduct so•
opposite to their own. .
. Sir P. MuattaY Matte a few observations wilsicit:]
we could not collect, as did the Marquis of 'teen';,
FIBLI), whom , we understood to state, that 11P.r-4
Noble Relation had not been aware that-the Petliki,,,,,4,
dmi
relletiaz:tri O.; ft
'lltV:heleSTll
.P° tiolearuad• Judge was in co:A-emplation. - - ' ,--,
e
of the distance Of the residence of the Sheriff;•ls:
epritjtfsA.i'l4n -s;u(tile'frellilitdleda,litth::oosheP43y,aeltit;. .
- tice was not only delayed, but not done. Tbd Connt!.
was 80 miles from sea to sea so miles Tri,the*.Othct
bad a population of 26,000 inhab4ilti,
and ought to have a particular Sheriff. Lord, Real,f -
who liad a large property in it, had 42voted his-111-
for the last five years to procure that alteration, 0,
hclamented that whilst lie had the oppartuuitY'
from his connection with Ministers, be had not en-
deavoured •to accomplish so desirable an obrea-
He had :said thus much juat to give. a warning to' the
Right Honourable Gentlemen opposites, that 4.1110
meant this woman's war of recrimination, .for the,
purpose of gaining popularity, they would not fine ,
• it succeed.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL for Scotland con'
tended that the duties of the Stirievalty were--no'.
as before done by deputy, and that ' eminent person
,who bad been appointed Sheriff of Slitherland re
_sided in Edinburgh, and could not have given his
presence in the• County for 'the time required, by
,Aet of Parliament. As the matter-had been broOt
tiefore the House, he thought it right to be fullY)
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the .nuse also Copies of an °mew, _
upon theTsohjed, and of all Representations made
to the different Counties-respeding the.Shrievaltieti.
Mr. ADAM had no objeCtion to the Aniendmeot.
Mr. CRottER thought that literary merit ought
to be rewarded in the usual way. He was not a'
friend to giving indire& rewards for dire& services. •
The CiIdiVCEL.LOR of the:EXCAEQUE,R did
not think the public would derive criuch.‘advantage.
from these discussions, but the Right Hon. Gentle-
man who represented theM as. women's war of re-
Crimination, should not lose 'sight of the side fi am.
which the attack was made. He should look to those
who sent forth charges of attempts to raise falsecriea, '
and wished no peculation to go to the country as their
cry, as if they were all, purity, acid their oppOnents
the advocates of peculation. He, had observed', in
the late Admipistration, that they made great pro;
Cessions, without any corresponding perforthances,
'and attempted to gain popularity of character with
the' public upon Oise pretences. Under these cir-
Cumstances, the public would.derive as much advan-
lege from the recrimination,,as from the attack.-,-
The appointmentof the Sheriffs for Sutherland bad
beet propoied to Mr, Pitt, but he refused to accede
to the alteration. The grant of a pension during,
pleasure, to a Judge was not only dangerous to the
independence of the Judicature, but contrary to I,lw.
He had litiroduced these faCis to the House on a
former night only tb.shew, that the•Honse ought to
pause before they would appoint a Committee, in
which those Gentlemen would have a preponderat...
ing influence who thought with the late Ministers..
Mr. Was. DUNDAS explained.
Mr.lll4RTilb was rejoiced to hear the term job,
which was reckoned too coarse for Ministerial ears,
lo frequently used on this occasion. He was glad to
find the employment of it sanctioned by a Gentle-
Man whose name was proverbially current in the
country as an'enerny to jobs. • 'jolt was. not a time
16r women's war, which he contended these discus-
aions could not be considered ; and the time. was not
distant when all the resources of the country wonld
be required to be called into action.
Mr. GA NIVING replied Ma strain of irony to the
arguments bearing upon thequest ion Oeforasthe House, •
which he imputed to the last speaker, but, which that-
Gentleman had pot used. He did, not approve of the
grant of the Pension, at a time when Miuisters were
bolding out to Scotland a plan for purifying its Judi-'.
V{hen a difference of opinion prevaited',
anionesi the Scotch Judges upon that subrd,'•ll
out of die 15 being against it, and only, tour for:
the Plan; ft .*as a ' suspicious ciretimstance, that
one of the.four was singled out to receive the Pension.
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.defied the Learned Gentleman who
had alluded so pointedly thhim, by saying, that his
name was proverbially associated ?vit h jobs, to paint
drat any orke job to•which 'he. had been a party. In
the varioui offices he had he bad never receiv-
tad .more.than the fair.and.known prOfits belonging
to theM, and whethar his services were over or un-
der remunerated, it was not for him to say, but he
again defied the Honourable Geritletnan to procioce
any instance ofa job, in which he was concerned.
Mr. 1114/R7IN had not used any expression that
could be Otiensive to. any individual in the House.
He should at all times express his sentiments with-
OM violating order, its the terms that appeared fittest'
to hithselk
Mr. 11r.INDETAitt defended the appointment of
the Slith'fffs, upon general grounds, as from the
Catrta statdd by
'the Right Honourable' Gentlernan.
hear. him, it most be: obvious, th:d a different distri-
bution of thuShriefalties was necessary. The ap-
Vointrhetit of; the ProfesSors also he justified, hccatise
;such PrOfessdrships existed in countries as civilized as
, bur Own.
Mr. 111,181,KISON wished to know whether it
Was by Intel) non or 'mistake that the precedentsin
the cases of the grant of Pensions tb Lords Lough-
borough; Eldon.; and Redeadale, were depaded tram
tbe grant to Mr. Ponsonby, late.. Chancellor for
Ireland. la. the former c.taes, the Pension was to
cease in case. the Noble Cords should again be placed
In the saute totilee, or in any other of equal profit, ;
but this limittation was leti out the grant to Mr.
Tonsonby ;. so that it the Gentletntu opposite should
jaucceed in, their projed, that Gentleman would
again probiblY have the seals without his Pension
being tilt:tea-dinned.
.
Lord IL P4TTY had' Signed the warrant by Vir-
tue of which Mr. Ponsoliby was to enjoy his Ten-
sion: He bud signed it under the linpression than
it was similar to the warrants for granting pensions
to the of her elianeellores; and would not have signed
it under any other -iroPression.
411.r.'4Da./11/ vindicated all the circumstances that
attended the Pension ,of Lord Cullhn ; he was inti-
mately. acquainted with them all, and was the per-
son with whom the Duke of Portland and Lord
Cullen-had cOmmunicated upon that subject. As
• to the Pension operating as a corrupt motive on the
mind of Lord Cullen, no man of any AdthiniStration
would venture tO assert it. 'rhe same propriety he
might assert, presided in the chOiCe of tile Professor-
ships, in the Universities of Scotland, and he would
defy the Gentlemen Opposite hint 'to say; that under
any former Administration, such impartiality had been
observed; He would venture to assert, that all the
other. Uppoirtiments of tnen of science, which took,
place in Scothind, during the late Administration, he
felt hithaelfatble to justify, on the ground that they
were all conferred on Capable and wellqualifted rhea,
with a view to 'the advancement of letters and
science, and from no motive that was liable to be
stigmatised as a job.
.Mr. Iit'SKISSON begged leave, to differ with
- the Learned Gentleman who spoke last, as o,
this very disinterested. spirit *hick it was pretend
ea pervaded and chafaaerisedall the appoint-
tn. enta of the late Administration.- Was dhu
mPen-
on granted to Mi. Ponsoriby on his retiring front,
the Chancellorship. of Ireland' of- that , description ?
Was it even accompanied and checked. by the
... usual clause that- the pensieu .of !our thousand
pouods per annum should not be enjoyed by that
Learned and Honourable Oetitleman,' in case he ac-
cepted of any other office to the same amount, or
upwards ? In order to place this matter iu a clear
oint of View, he thonght it his duty t
o move, that
there be laid before the House a Copy of the die.
fcrent Warrants, setting forth the appointments of
Chancellors of.treland Manx the year 1809.
Lord HOW lex replied to My. Huskisson in an un-
-warranted strain of personal asperity,.and observed,
with Veltuf ill a grtiCe such inquiries and observatitans.
Cain* from a person Who hiriasull was so much Itat4e.
to the same übjealcus.

dexterity., . •
Mr. W. TAYLOR was .allirrtling some observations
respe&ing the case of 'NIL% Potisobbs -Wheilhe wa3
called to `order: .
Mr. Huskision'Otation was put and .arced to.
Mrs Rosa mov.ed.foi leave to bring hi a Bill of
`ltulenitiity. for the condu& of Ministers tespeding
, the .American Intercourse Bill, • • ,
Sir S. itoMILLY expressed much surprise that a
Bill ;of so much importance should be introduced
;without any previous notice, at so late an hour, and
invso-thin an attendance. ,
The SPEAKER reminded the Learned and Hoti.!
Gentleman, that a-notice to this elle& had been on
the books for some days past. ,
Sir S. RoMILLY apologised for his mistake.
• Mr. Rost; then gave-notice of a Motion to revive
the Americanintercourse Bill.
Leave was granted to revive several Bills, which-
had been interrupted last Session by the Dissolution:
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed
of, 'and- the House adjourned at Half-past Twelve.—

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THE SUN.

SOLLM QUI& IIIC&RE YALSUM AUIE..T

L 0 N D 0 N,
PRIDAY, JULY 3, 1807.

TII E 'wind having become favourable on. Tuesday
evening, the Fleet .of Transports in the Downs, with
the True- ps on board, got under way,,.and were
nearly out of sight before dark. The homeward-
bound East India Fleet, under convoy of the Nag-
arrived in the Downs yesterday.
. ,

I,V* sincerely regret that we have it not in our
power to communicate to the Public any farther par-
ticul3rh 're petting' the Battles which have taken

pLico in Poland, as there were no arrivals this
morning froin. the Ceiiiirient.—We yesterday
stated, that:a phrt of the accounts contained in the
Dutch Papers, viz. that, respeaLig the Capture of
kottigtiattrgh on the .16th ultimo, was untbund-
edi because. a Letter had been received from that
city, dated' the, 18th,,,,.and at that time the French.
had not appreached it.. The :letter, however, we
now find is not dated on the t oth, but on the -Wth
at night ; but that, is suflicient to prove that the
French were not• in possession of it on that day.
—The 'letter represents the Action to have been
fought with uncommon obstinacy, and to have been
attended with immeese less oa beth sides. Qf the
fait of this Letter' having been received, we do not
entertain the, slightest doubt, for though we have
not seen it ourselves, our information, upon the, sub-
jeCl' comes front a quarter on which we place the
firmest reliance. It perhaps, idle `to attempt to
reason upon a subjd, when •we are in posses.-
sion of so few of the facts' of ' the case, but
there appears be 'sit-64g ground to believe
.that, the retreat of BElsiNldiiN,. was a, precon-
eeft&d, manceuvre, for the purpose of forming a
jUndlon With the Army of IWaerve, Which was
advancing to join him. The great addition which
the French Army had- received, in consequence of
the liberation of the Troops employed in the Siege
of liiintaic,' perhaps rendered this step necessary.

Indeed 'it appears impossible to account for his retreat
on any other principle. The attack on the sth was'
Made by the ituSsians ; on the 6da.theyrwere again
the assailants.) and On that day they completely
defeated' Marshal. NEY ; and immediately after:. we.
find the whole Russian Army, notwithStanding its,
SUCCeSS, retreating. There appears therefore, strOng
grouad to believe that the attack was Made isr the
pwpose of deceiving the French, and cif enabling•
the Russian Army to fail back upon it§ ReserVe.
This, of course, it was BONAPARTIeS obje& to pre-
vent; and by the rapidity Of his movements, he
.brouOt on the' Action of the 14th, in Whkh- there is
ton much reason to believe that he obtained very
advaiicige!

We have seen letters from Hamburgh, dated the
.4
24th ult. which gate, that on that and the preceding
day Couriers had arrived from the French Artny,witlt
Dispatehes to M. Bounti:NNis ; but that he had
nut published the 4 contents; from 'which it was
inferred that they were not Of a very favourable

nature.

. . ,
Early yesteroay 1110111111 g the Dcke of YORK 41••
rived at Windsor, laid before His MAJESTY the
Monthly State 91 the Army; he afterwards rude on
tint•sehack with His' .IAJESTY; the Duke of CAM-
G E, PrineettieSiMiOusTA, Stirnik, and AMELLA,
accompanied by Lady M,Wt NYAR D,Generals GARTH,
FITLitiOY; Mitintsrvi Princesses ELIZA-,
BATH and. Many, for the first time since her India-
position,- took an airing to Frngrnore. ' •
The Racounua of I.foNtiog.did not make his Re
Port
to His MAJESTY on Wednesday.
WADELBERO, the new Swedish Minister, after
being introduced to His MAsairy, transacted 1,41-
"neSs with Lord MUI.GRAVE at the Admiralty.,
Several paiseugera who lett St: Helena on the
3d of May, and are come home in the China.pedt,
report,, that the Blenheim, of 74 guns, Adiniral Sir
Tnomss Timunainoa, and. the Frigate which. do-
'acitinpanied her, had weathered the stain, anti Was
11*in the Island of Madagas64i

1111 IZ
V 1 1.4 .1.4 ♦ ♦ trf •

rilibtourx;itm..* I.—Sailcd the. Prln ce of Wale',
of s guns, for the Channel Fleet; and Scorpion
of War on_a cruize to the Weitward.

A. large rle.'t of -Mereltantnien pa4sed by yester-
day froth the Eastwai-d. _ • 's
ArVivecl the Dryad Frigate from a criatze West-
ward ; and the Grimstait, Cap6in
.Scuoiv; frow
Arundel. •

DOVER, JULY 2.—Passed by for London the
botuewa'rd-bound China `Fleet, and two.Whaleri!*

PORTSMOUTH, JULY 2.—Arrived L'Uranie

gate, Capt. LAROCHE, from; Gee'r4sey.

""*""T-71

SHEERNESS, JULY Sailed the , Earnest Gun
Brig for Yarmouth.
‘•
The sailing of the Baltic and Tonniitgen eJnyroys
. „
is postponed till Tuesday the 7th instant, ,

DEAL, JVLY 2.—Arrivqd the Busiler Gun-brig
from a eruize, and remains in the Downs with the
Ships as per last.
P. S. Just arrived His Majesty's Ship Nassau,
with the homeward-bound East-India Fleet.

MOTHER LETTER., SAME DATE.

The Fleet of. Tran Sports, about ton in number,
with the Second Division of the Expedition, got
Clear of the Downs last night, about dusk,, which,
passing singly through the Galls, arid
Close, had a very .pretty appearance frUm the
shore. Another.:Smuggling-boat; %,kiiiir; Geneva,
has been landed here this day, and.Oti:ltilonday
three others were brought in Ly the Afaspit, Con-
taining in- the whole, about I 000 halt linkers of
spirits, and a quantity of tea, which she felt in with
close on*the enetnY's'coast. Likewise a smack, on'
the same day, was sent in .by one, of our cruixers,
having on board contraband goods, which: weie
landed at the Custont-house. The 11( que.WaiXbotand
Fleet of Chin:t and East India Ship. are just arrived
in the Ddwns. ,

. .
FALMOUTH, JULY 2.—Sailect His Majesty's Ship
Ttheed with se‘ei4 VesielS to join Hk M;ijesty's
Ship Julia, \Alit a Fleet for the West
appeared otf this Port at seven P.

rc,atuAy GAZETTE, Nov. 26.-00 Monday an-
chored in the harbour the Danish Ship Chalictte,
Captain Bovsert, from the Isle of #raneel at her
departure there we're neither ttt,u of I,,ar or priva-
teers, in the harbour. None of. the Pitdilionteses
prqes had arrived at the Island ; but some of the yes-
gels'eaputred by the Serhillante, as' well as the Fri-
ate, had arrived at the Island oflionitOn. His Alt-
Jesty's Ships Sceptre, Capt. BINGHANI ; Cornwqiiis,
C3I)C..IOaNSTpN ; and Deduiirnmse, ‘Verecrui,;it-,:;
nit the rvlouritiniz. Rice was selling at the hie of
Frit leer at deVers•Aolf3i's per 3 6 ()lb. weight. Euru
pean articles were in 'uneral exceeding dear brit
the for Indian- g(0..!,; very chlll arid IoW.--7
1-„t, charif)ti tonc:h..:d the We of Bourbon 11)r'a
supply ot prolsions and refreithmenis, at which tiritc.
the Semillante, and some of her prizes, were at the
The Ships P,Ts4R,Trance sailed
from Penang tar China the 6:11 December last.
, •