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London, England, 1807-07-11 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS,

' PRIbAY, JULY. 10.
Mr. LONG brought up.the Report of the Committee
on the Petitions of the Trustees of theßrit,ish..Mia-
beLini.—Ordered to b 3 printed. .
Mr. LoNa gave notice, that on Tuesday next he
move, for leave to .bring in a 13ill to enable
the. Trustees of 'the British .Museum to disposed'
certain Supetfluoui artieles In, that ColleCtion.., .
It was ordered, that the [louse should
,to-mor-
row..ointo a'Committee to consider of ace AaS re-
lating. to 146Spitali in Ireland.
Mr. 13.41111.11,9 T moved the second reading. of
the Bristol. Pert Bill (for raising 78,6001. to corn•
plete the works), and offered some arguments in fa-.
vour of the measure, which- was 'opposed by Mr.
:liVitf:llY, Mr. DLLLON, Sir T. TURTON, and Sir J.
NEWi,6IIT, on the ground of itlaying a 'heavy tax
on West Indian produce .6:,nd other articles of impor. •
tation. Sir J. I•ltwPoirr recommended the suspen,
„ion of the dividends prematurely made on the stock,
in preference to any increase of taxation, for cum.,
tsieting the works.
A division took, place,
For the second reading - 55
Against it
The bill, was of course lost.
INDIA. ' •
Sir THOMAS TURTOtI postponed to this day se'n-
night his intended Motion relative to the Polygar,
'Clidrgeapinst Lord Wellesley, The Motion relative'
to the late unfortunate tranSeaion at Vellore, of
which Mr. Creevey had given notice for' Monday,
'iyas also deferred.—We understand these postpone-
ments have been made at the instance of Mr. Dun-
,das, on the grotnul of the illnesi of Lord Castle
reagh.
The Accounts from the Office of the Paymaster
!General of the. Forces, ordered yesterday, on the.
motion of Mr. 11. MARTIN, were ordered again, in
era amended tOrm.
,Thu SgcttcTA ay. at Wna gave notice, that on
Mondapriext he would move the Army Estitnates,
z,o‘v 00 the table..

Tc..1141,0N, PittzE.moN4y.
Sir all-411LES:POLE roso,to move, that there
be laid before the Ifouse, an Account of the seve-
ral Sams adVanced,tothe Agents of Lord Hood, in
.sursuance 61 the 'grant of the House, 25th March,
to the Officers and Seamen who were serving
in hint Majesty's Ships, otf Tottion, at the time
the re-captere of that place by the French. The
House hid thought proper to grant this money as a
compensation for the .head-money of the ships
de-
grayed, with a provisioh that the amount that
should remain unclaimed, after three years, should
to to Greet; .viCh Hospital. The Ad also ordered,
that an Account such as he wal now about -to move
fur, should he. annually laid belOre Par;iament,. He
moved, that there be Iktid helote the Honse an Ac-
4'.:ount of the Sofas issued to, die Agents of Lord
igod, awl an Accomit of the Payments, aattaily"
wade to 'thrt ditrel•eut Classes of Persons' serving
in his Majesty's FL:et At' Toulon, k the year 17,94,
specifying the dates, the slims,. advanced, the pay-
ments Made, and the balance in hand. •
fte-r!somobserw4loll3 ft9lll Mr. RoSg and Mr.
I,lus%lssoN, :wile stated, that it, prevent the useless
is.iue of tonttcy,' the advanct!s tv the Ayenti were
troli in s!.:parare stuns, the first for the,aaims' made.
ctit u tire: firq instanee, and subSequentlY as other
were made out. The last issue was"
Tl.e Account W;IS orclred.
the Motion or. Mr. DutwAs, it :was-ordered,
t+ at the ustlll Accounts preparatory to the Fast India
"lie t ti.l twfOre the 'loose.
I'. tttiolf~ wve pre;-;,llted, complaining of undue
t,lttoi-ISfi,r the following places :—Chippeitham,
ttlottlik rcturn) KinOrdineshire, Maiden, Penrhyn,
Now .M.lltOti., ;J rMarna.. East Grin:-.
41.(;.;.id,"Pniitywater, Westminster, (en .the part of
slievi(l.lo-Christeinaceb, Newcastle-under-Line.
An to no taken Into' cOnsid;ration on 'Saturday, the
25th

1 he S v.e...K ET A It Y at Wan prosynted-a. List of the
Per-cans atdpoi;;(,...t Itisretiag D'itlid,•Offiters of Vo7
lumeel4.---Orke,ol
Alp. IV INDILI.II towel, ilmt there be laid be.
fore the those Accouoi of,tlie'notober Of men
ray,it.:d. For 0 An.,. 101.0: Autry, ifteaCh Mum!), from,
Jot ei 1 80 7 to that :4CA periud to:
tch;chr the Sfalie caul- i be 111, le out, will/ a cur.
/e Li a Acco4lo, for the ;rears 1805 1144 4,(3‘064

distinguishing those raised 'uncle', the Additional
Force .4.6 t, for the root'Qnards, and distinguishing.
Men from Boys. Ordered.—Also an Account et-
the Number of Desertions from the Army at home
in ei,ich month, in 1804, 1805, and 1806, specifying,
the strength of the Regiments from which such ae,,
sections had taken place.
Mr, though he thoughta a matter
worthy of the consideration of the" House to put the
Standing Order relative to the exclusion of Strangers
on some established footing—yet, in deference .to
the sentiments of many persons, for whoie opinions
he had a high respeCt, would not press the Motion
ho intended to have offered to the House this night,
but would leave the matter as .it stood, hoping that
a wise discretion would produce all the effeel of the
proposition he intended to bring forward.
LORD COCHRANE'S MOTION.—THE NAVY.

Lord COCHRANE rose to move for several
Nuts, to prove that the manner in which the-Naval
Service was now conduded was disgusting to the
officers and seamen, and highly injurious and dan-
gerous to the country. He.did not desireao cast the
blame of this mat-administration on any individual..
His objeet was to' call the attention of his Majesty's
Ministers to the subject, that the mischief may be.
correeled.. (The Noble Lord went into a' detailed
-and 'exaggerated' statement of grievances, through
which we cannot 'allow ourselves to follow him,
otherwise then very generally; denied and refuted;
as his assertions were by those who were most com-
petent to speak to the fads, and deeply felt as'
the miSchievouS tendency of such discussions, but
more particularly the publication of them, was on all
sides of.the House.) The Noble Lord adverted to
the cases of the Felix and the Atalanta. lie had
letters to prove that the Felix, when on the Rochefort
station, was not in a 'state to keep the sea, that .all
her supplies were exhausted, and that the Comma,.
dore was applied to in vain for leave to come into port
to refit. The consequence was, the loss of the vessel,
with almost the whole of her crew. The Atalanta
was in a state equally unfit for sea; she made-twenty
Inches in an hour. •Tlie consequence of this inatten.
Lion to the state of these vc..ssels was, their subsequent
loss; and with them of more men than it Would have
cost to cut out the whole of the enemy's force in
Rochefort which our squadron was employed to watch.
• He thought it a particular hardship that as four months
ivas forMerly thought a sufficient time for a ship to
remain at sea on a Channel cruize; they: were now
kept out eight and nine months without interruption.
When they
,came' in for any occasional purpose of
vidualling, a repair, or to pay off the men, only five
clays were allowed for those occasions, and the:Offi-
cers and men were never once permitted to go on
shore. When ordered to sea in this manner, he had
-often seen them roll up the Batik notes, and let them.;
fly overboard in a fit of rage.—The cruelty of' this
restraint from coming on shore, was the more sen-
sibly felt, as the Commander in Chief of the Chan-
nel Fleet
, had himself been many months living on
shore, in the enjoyment of his large emoluments, as
'if the command of the Channel Fleet was a perfed
sinecure,'which may be tilled by a
,child or a fool.—
' The Noble Lord described it as a grvat hardship, that
no man was allowed to come on shore to the hospital
from any ship, until lie had been jgeviously visited, and
.examined by the Surgeon oft he Commanding OffiCer ;
tiaia v;ait 40416 awmai,,,,Agl ',moven ted for weeks toilet her,
in blowing weather. The Noble Lord complained.
also of the curtailment of the usual allowance of
medicines : the dear medicines, which were often
most essential, being no longer furnished ; economy
in this resped had gone so far, that some tunes there
was not 'even a sufficient supply of lint to dress the
wounded men if an edam should tome on. He
complained of the refusal to 'take into the hqspitals
men Abated with certain diseases nut admissible by
thy, hospital regulations ; or even iu admissible cases,
-if the measures of cure that might have been taken
on board ship •had, not been taken. He complained,
Of the want of many comforts in the Naval Heipi,
ON—comfrts very needful. to sick men, such 'as
eggs, and oranges, and egg wine. These allowances
had been cut off by the culpable economy of a per,
son most unworthily employed by the late Adini-
nistration—a person whom he. could not regularly
name.---(A cry of name ! name !)..--The Noble
Lord„ in a low voice, pronouuced the name of Earl
St; Vincent. The Noble Lord here descanted on the
value of the lives of British Seamen, and on. their
weil-fbunded claims to every care and comfort their
' country, could bestow on them. He concluded with
moving—" That there be laid on the table Copies
of all 'Letters and Representations of the Captains
and Surgeons of the Felix and Atalimia, to the
Commander of his Majesty's Ships cruizing off Rothe!.
'fort."—.-The Noble Lord also moved for a string of
other Papers, to prove the ekistence of the other'
grievances he had stated.

Sir SAMV4L 'HOOD could hardly havo'be.
lieved, if he had not been present, that so gallant a
man and so meritorious an Officer as the Noble
Lord could have brought such statements before the
House, or instituted such a discussion.. He could
give his own testimony, and that of cant. Keats, who
had conunanded on the Rochetint station atter him,
that 'the statements ttiade by the NOble Lord were
Wholly unfounded. The Atalanta,, instead of being
unsound as to endanger, the safety.. of her
crew at all times, was perfectly sound at the time of
her running on shore, as the letters of her Captain
would prove. • , The Felix had gone with a Flag of
Truce to St. Andero ; the' Spanish Governor would
not admit her into the port,'and a storm coming on,
she was driven on shore and lost.' If she had mit
been in' the soundest state, every soul on board must.
have been lost. Nobody complained but the Lieu
tenant, who wanted, to go on shore ,to settle his ac--
counts. While by had commanded a squadron of
sail'of the line, he could say with confidence,
that nothing was lett wautingio the comfort of the
ohm. As fo 'the hardship of preventing the men
going on Eitidre, however that restraint may deprive.
Ahem Of recreation, it was et advantage to thelr.
£heyalw#S got ill on shore, and reCciver.
ecl at sea. The seamen of the British Fleet ,knew
him well : they knew him to be,feady to . stand
forward ,as their friend in every iusjance in which
they wanted a friend.. Ito could not, howcver,,
countenance an itticmptto court e4cil
a zeal to redress grievances which' did not
which, he could briug torward doctituents to
prove, and which coulee only tend to excite qatlger-,
ous and groandless discontent. The Atalanta was,.
previous 'to her loss, almost in a state of mutiny, :ft4u,
the inflammatory proceedings of the Ncble Lortes
triend, the Surgeon. • !

'Lure CdC/111ANE, in explanation, said,. that he
had not imputed *loss of the Ate/owe to Earl St.
Yineent, but had only stated the
.bad condition of: ,
that, Ship. •
,
4lniral HEIfVEY, after the clear, manly, and
officer-like manner in which his. Hon. Friend had
refuted the Noble Lord's statement, felt that be
could' only go over the same ground. He'could not,
however, withhold himself from giving- his express.
coartnation to -every;thing that had been said by
his Noble Friend. The Hon. Admiral then went
through the Noble Lord"scharges, denying and re-
llting them as he went along.
• Admiral MARKHAM spoke with much force on
the mischievous tendency of t he statements made by
the Noble.Lortl,-.spread abroad as they would-be by
the Newspapers, though he tweed the good sense of
the British Navy and the BritiSh People would pre-
vent an impression,, which every well-informed per 7-.
son mist know to be groundless. If the Noble Lord
had felt the evils he complained of so long, why
did he not represent them to the Admiralty, ae&
call far redress. If that redress* had been refused, it
would then have been time enough. to have come to
the House with this peblic statement. The Hon.
Admiral then Went through the particulars of ,the
Noble Lord's charges, replying in the most-satisfac-
tory manner to every one of them. If there, were
hardships in the Naval Service; called upon as this
Country was to keep it whole Navy on the alert, to
secure itself from t lie designs of the eoemy,,,it became
the Officers rather to reconcile the men by their en-,
cpuragement acid example than to intlime theth by'
exaggerated statements of unfounded grievances,
cited as 'a brilliant example, the uninterrupted ser-
vice of one Commander (Sir S. Heed), off Cape Fl-
nisterre, for 13 months, and another Comthander fOr
eight months, without one word of complaint froth
either. The most effeaual means had. been adapted
'for supplying the Fleets with fresh provisions, by par-
bailing the:beef before it was shipped, and thus pre-
serving it from the slightest taint, The supplying of
medicines had been taken into the bands of the Ad-
:Miralty,-on the lateadvance of the Surgeon's pay,
'in the Administration of Lord Melville or liord
Barham. A great saving was made for the pub=
lie, but nothing essential to the comforts of tho
men was kept back, the retrenchment being extend- ,
ed only to articles-that roiled and went to waste
be-
fore. It was necessary that the Commanding Officer
shOuld send his own surgeon to visit every enan be•
fore he was sent to the Hospital. Otherwise every
Captain would send away competent, though perhaps
not the very best men, onsick certificates, in ardent:,
get better men from the Port Admiral in their rem.
He saw no ground of blatne,. if the Commander to
Chief of the Channel t resided an shore, when
that Fleet was divided into three or four Squadtoes;
cruizing in different stations; tp all of which orders
ceeld be. best issued frs.en a central position on
A life so valuable to the Qountry ought to 1)417
banded in Its decline by every it tidulgence•thac, was
not inconvenient, instead of being hurried to an' end •
by an excess of unnecessary and unprofitable hard-
ship.. The Noble Counnander in Chief was anxi-
Pus for discussion and investigation, .SO tar as it went
to elle& himself; but such discussion as this would
lee most dangerous to the Country if Permitted to
go to a greater length. • e
CIiANCELOR of the EXCHEQUER de-
clared, that no grounds whatever had been made out
for the Motion, which was so seriously to .be
inented that the Nobl6. Lord had thought it, his duty
to bring forward. The House of Commons would
ever be anxiously alive to the welfare and ititerests
of the brave men of whom our Navy was composed ;.
but he was convinced that it, would at the same time
be very backward in adopting such Motions as the
present, unless the person who proposed them could
distinaly state that he
had taken. till other inean,s of
redressing the grievances cemplained of nnsuccess-
felly.
miNDE/AM taincicied completely in opinion
with the Right Hon. Gentleman wimp had just sat
down, and contended, that besides the just reasons„
Gentlemanopposingfor had
ib
stated, o
nbwhict,hte thatLurdlthit,ardh
t in no"
way Whatever proved his assertions, but had been
liega,l)lnaett
;AirldtsiiTtr.a‘l%;
Ckci:el:4llTPni:eit(tit a 114: panegyrici:tenoll;rr;aidLolid6flliwetdhobsy'e twhole life was a mist
brilliant answer to the accusations of his enemies.
Mr. ROBERT IV4IiD stated, that there was
not a single vestige of complaint from the Noble
Lord, in the Pttice.to.which he had the honour to •
belong. , •
Sir C. POLE maintained, that since the reign of
King -William,- no Administration had done so much
for the Navy as the last, and instanced the conduct
of a :Noble Viscount (Lord Howick), when. at the
head of the Board 'of Admiralty, in increasing the
pay of the Petty and Warrant Officers, tee.

Mr, SHERIDJA regretted that the Noble Lord
1.10 brought forward this Motion, the more, as he
had thought that on the hustings at Covent Garden
he had convinced him.of his error. If the state,
tents .of the Noble Lord had'not been so cotnplete--
ly refuted, what incalculable mischief might they
not have-produced ?' He agreed with the hon. Ba-
ronet in his opinion on the condua Of his Noble
Friend when at the head of the AAliniralty ; but he
'was also convinced, that there never was a Board of.
Admiralty so well disposed to do every thing in its
power for the benefit of our gallant Navy ; and
with regard to the House of Crumnons, he was cots--.
vinced, that more interest Was excited by any ques-
tion in the decision of Which our bmv,e Tars were'
concerned, than by any other that could 'be brought
before them. He. wished, to ask the Noble. Lord
one question, if he could not reply to
,it in the
affirmative, it was impossible that his motion could
be agreed to; • The question. ,A'W this, 'b4hether the
Noble Lord had ever made any application,. or any
one point of. complaint. mentioned by him, to any
Board of Admiralty WhateVer
Lord CotattßAN.E r 0.4- to- explain, ~trat deviating.
into a,votoonpl, attack on,. A galla4ttAdiniqi, who
.had spoken, in the
.cotirse..of the dikussion, was
'called to order by the Bre:Akita.'
'The Noble Lord proceeded to complain of..the
neglea that _ bad been shewn to-old Admirals lay\
putting young,olficers ()Vet- their heads, when he
was again called to Order .cldmtral,liarvey qud
Mr. Ward. •
After .r.lorne, further obitervations, in which the:
Noble Loki 'wandered from the point of explanation, ,
and was once more called to order, le'concluded' by

ail ril; i etit

Er t

had moved for referred, he had not :me g any itiipr-
cation to-11)e Admiralty.
• The Motion was theti negativei withLt a-
sion. •

IRELAND.
Sir•Aarrruit WELX.ESLEY brought in two Bills,
One for repressing insurrection, and preventing the
dishirbance of the public peace in Ireland; -the
otberl to prevent itnproper, persons in Ireland- front
being possessed of arms. They were both read a
first time, and ordered to be read a second time on

Thursday., and to be printed. . .
Lord Howlck understood that- ft was the inten-
tion of the' Right Hon.:Gentleman opposite to re-
duce the sum granted to Maynebth College-to the
old establishment. - As this was une:;petlect, he put
it to the candour of the Right 1-Ton. Gentleman to
_ _

postpone that-article itr the Conimittee of Supply.
Mr. FOSTER acquiesced; and it 'was accordingly
postponed to Wednesday.
Mr. ADAM moved, that an humble- Address be
presented'to his Majesty, praying that he would di-
re% that'there be laid before the House Copies of
all -Warrants for Pensions to Judges in the Courts of
Se.ssion,.and 13aronot of the Exchequer in Scotland,
since the 15th of June, 1786, particularly a Wan;
rantabout the year 1793, to the late Lord Stonetiekl,
and two other Warrants ; one in 1804 to Lord Me-'

thuen, and in 1806, to enforce the payment of the
former.—Ordered.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

The House then resolved itself into a Committee
of Supply, in which it was resolved; that the' follow-
ing Sums (Irish CUrrency) Should be
_granted to
His Majesty for defraying in Ireland, for the year
1807, the eyiperces of the various vbjetts an need
to them

• ,M. .

For Civil Buildings •
For Printing the Irish Provision Atis
F.or the Dublin Gazette * •
FRr Printing, Statiumiry, &c. , •
Per Criminal Prosecutions
For apprehending Public 011:riders •
For Non-Cantiitating Minibters ' -
For the Port of Dublin . •
For the WicklobV Gold Nlinci
For the- Liiien- MainufAetore

Pot the BOard of kirst Fruits
rot licralds
ror BAtt:c 9xc Guarit -
'For Protestant Schools -

25,001!
. 1209'
i0,50°
1204
?5,93°
25Q$
- ,4S°
- 1047
00,
11,601

sooa
Job 4
.140
23,227,

For tote Foundling Hospital - - - iz,so•
For the Marine Sudety . •• . 1009
For the School for .s.oldiers' Ckildren .
For the Female (*Phan FWusis.` - . - - II4;61,
1300
For the Society lair discoutnetiarecink yic, . 3262
For the Westmorland Lock Hospital - s. - 7453
For the Dublin I ouse of Industry . - . .
.5,997
For the House of R ecovery . 7 • . 3092
For the Lying-in Hospital . 7. 7 - - 2530
For the Office of Requests • "' • - - 400
For Dr. Steven's Hospital - , - - sol
For buildings Hall for the Royal Collegq'of Surgeons ' 9517
For tie Luba society of Arts -- ' - . -' ,009
For the Farming Society - - • - pots
For the Commissioners for Widening and ;triproving
the Streets of Dubliit - ' - . - - 45ots
For puhr4 Hospital •• . - - - . • 0204
For ;tie Commissioners of Inquiry (British Cuireney),
and for several small 54t1.4. tur (44etent Ptiblt: 01.
hies - . - - - - - - ' - 23,541

On the Ilesaintion for • granting 25,0001.. for del.
fraying the expences of criininarpioseCutions in Ire!,
land (or the year 1807, being put,
'Nr. PA NrLLL observed, that the-e::tpences on Oil
.head hAd considerably incre4tsetl lately, and he there-.
fore called tit,. :mention of the 'Huuse
Mr. FosTutt replied, that the awns annually votect
weril regatrly ...*;6)utited• for. If. t ftkri.
man would call the ittteution of ti,c (ionit!,;ivi, of
Ireland to'the best mode•of refortuiug aild tranquil-
lizing the lower orders of that country, the money
.reqUired for criminal. prosecutions would sow bti
diminished.

A Petition was preletly,d„complaining of an 0n....
dne.return for Oaihampton : fixed for consi-
deration on Saturday. the 24th inst:

in which Mr.
iepa7e7:.EtlY
Mr. flut 1;
Aftr.some conversation,
sams, and Mr.
House went into a committee on the East iudia
Coriipanys Petition. A discusqion. ensued between Sic
T. Teit'l'ON, Mi. WALLIS, Mr. CItEEVEY, Sir AR"'
T,I1141; WiZLLESLEY, Mr. DUNDAS, Mr.
.'.ventually the Chairman Was instrukited to
move for leave to bringg-in a hill to enable the East
India Company to raise money on 'bonds, initead of
increasing their capital. The Hottie having been.
I resumed; the It6pOrt was: reCeived, and,leAve grant e 4-
I accordingly. -;._ •

Mr. fosrait brought tip Bills
Bill for Regulating.the Collection of the Duties ail
Spirits distilled in Ireland ; a Bill. for Regulating the
Licences for the. Retail of Spirits..in Ireland ; a J3lll
fin.. Abolishing Fees and Diminishing Holidays in 'ilia
Customs in Ireland ; a Bill for ,Enforcing the Pend-,
ties under the Irish AssesSed Taxes A&s; which
were each read a first time, and ordered to be read .6.
second time to-morrow.

Mr. How-rouse brought up the Report on the
Irish- Provisions AEt,,. when the Resolution, that
Beef and Pork salted in Ireland shyll be adowed to
be exported duty free,
was agreed w, and a Bill or-
dered accordingly,---Also, the, Report .onthe Coffee
Warehousing Act; which was agreed ,o, and a Bill
Ordered accordingly.
1-400PowErt4coutur's Bill was, reported, anduo-
dered to be read a third 'time to-morrow.
SWOPE, adverting to the circumstance of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer having put otf his Mo-
tion respelling the Lottery, stated, that it was not
his intention to oppose that meaNure,as a part Of the
Ways and Means of the present year, but gOe no-
tice, that he should take an early opportunity 01
taking the sense uf the House on the general que;tion
respecting Lotteries.. -
The Irish Glebe
,House Bill was read a curd
tithe' and passed
The Three Millions, and One Million and a half
xchequer Bills' Bill, passed reveCtively through
Committees, 'and were 'ordered to be reported too
morrow.

The Copyholders'. Relief Bill was read a second
81.14 ordered to be committed on. Monday.
Adjotirned at a quarter paSt nine o'clock.

TONMNGEN lIMIL.

Toro understand that the day
lbefOre yesterday, the Du:eli troops which.arri%ed
,idnie days ago at Coevoekien, Hardenhuigh, ,116 in
the iieighbcurhood, are marching back-to Germany,
and the Dutch troops who were on their march to
thefrdrittiers, have received co..nter qr:le. •—( Ind
. gh/arreipoU denten, July t.)
CONSTANTINOPLE, MAY Sublirn 10 e