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Lord Thurlow, whose patent title to fees was to
stroyed by the present measure. He had as youcb.Pal,
to his fees, under the patent, as their Lordships had to;
rent of their estates. It was, therefore, the duty of tost
vernment to take care that no measure should pass it
adequate compensation to Mr. Thurlow and other pateoM
The LORD CHANCELLOR—Lord ThurloW
gone out of office in 1792, and had lived for tweleeir;
fourteen ye irs without any retiring pension, whichoso
not established when he went out of office.h isPirt-0,0
were, theref,ire, vested rights, not merely as gratuves
grants, but, as having been purchased since, they
only what he had instead of the retired pension.
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doubt, therefore, Mr. Thurlow would have an deg 4,
compensation ; but that must be settled in the other 110
—(Hear, heir.) There were other cases in which eV;
pensation must be allowed, so that the immediate o_l4
saving would not be by any means so large as it vr°l'
ultimately e.
The Earl b
of ELDON—Lord Thurlow had beenfrelt
of the Exchepier, and it had been proposed in the Uri
of Commons, that if he would state what income he nail
when made Lord Chancellor, the House would gohn..,,A
up to him. Lord Thurlow was a man of high spirit,
refwe d to make any bargain on the subject. Core;
salon had always been made to patentees, and often er!
to men who did not hold their offices for life, on the Pan;
ciple that the best men would not accept such offices if
...the'
were precarious. He would defer what further oh°1:-.
tions he had to make on the Bill till another opportutnT
Lord PLUNKETT was convinced that an alteratioo In,
the present system was expelient, but he agreed that WI;
pensation ought to be given. What he rose for, hove /Lei:
was to notice a circumstance which the delicacy of
"
Noble and Le irned Friend on the Woolsack hal not Pe;f
mitted him to mention. He would lose a great deal t
patronage by his own measure, and even this very Pstel
place of Mr. Thurlow might have been at his &MO:."
had it not been for this Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Althoeg
his Noble and Learned Friend hal not mentioned it, the
gratitude and thanks of the public were not the less ape
to him.—(Hear, hear.) kit
After a few observations from Lord WYNFORD, his
amendment was put, and negativel without a division;
and he did not press any more amendments.
The LORD CHANCELLOR then added some amend,
s'
ments, and the House resumed; and it was ordered O
the Bill should lie reported to-morrow or Monday, wit.h:
view to its beiug read a third time on Tuesday--"i.
turned.

HO USE OF COMMONS, SEPTEMBER 23.
Mr. TRAIL presented a petition from the inhabitants
of the Shetland Isles, praying to be allowed to return It
presentatives under the Scotch Reform Bill; also a e";
tion from certain distillers of Scotland, but we co
uldP n°
learn upon what subject.
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Upon the motion that it be brought up, ig to
Cul. TORRENS took that opportunity of advert .
some observations which had go
made by an he,
Member (Sir C. Wetherell) upon a speech whielloe
Colonel Torrens, bad delivered at the Common Hill'
Gallant Colonel repeated the statement which he had tete
at the Common Hall, which was in the nature of 3 goo
tion, that should the House of Lords pertinaciouq re. a
;
to comply with the wishes of the people, in what a•tus,,,,ti°,/
would that pertinacity place them? lie now put it to the 1.1;/,
of the Hon. aed Learned Member to say what in bis.
lea
nion would the situation of the House of Lords bew ef
they should place themselves in opposition to the 1 01
the people? He had merely stated a supposed core':
affixed the condition to it, and he complained toatioo
Hon. and Learned Member had made the °Wry°
upon it which it appeared he bad done: - tbst
Sir C. WETHERELL said he did nothing more that
argue upon the effect of the Hon. Member's speech when
Hon. Hon. Meinher had so unceremoniously scheduled the 134,
of Lords.—(Lau2littr.) There was a spirit of uno-0%.
tutional intimidation abroad—(Cheers from the 01T';
tion)—and the public Press had dealt most uncon9l,_l;,
tionally with the Pliers.— Cheers.) It was not for _Po'
to give any opinion on the discretion exercised by thepty
and Gallant Metnber when lie made the statement la lie
Common Hall, and now repeated it in this House. io
(Sir C. W.) could find no case, could fancy no ea'eleo
which the Lords were to be put in schedule A, roe
by violence and convulsion, and the destruction oKe
whole Constitution.—(Cheers from the Opposition.)
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could not stretch his imagination so far as to supposes
a case ; but he might ask whether the lion. and Gard ,
Member did riot fancy such a case ? The Gallant 017 j,
had thought fit to insinuate that if the House of lion
cho.e to exercise their undoubted privilege, a'stee Se'
tinct branch of the Legislature, of rejecting
form Bill, a case might arise of putting the 140ple of
Commons in a situation to declare the Hen'
Lords unnecessary ; but he (Sir C. Wetherell) cc'eof
fancy no such case whatever. He hoped the Hotti
Lords would do their duty.--(Cheers.) The Peel 0
oth
England had a high sense of honour; aye, and as ale
courage, too, as the Hon. and G Mara Member ; 11701
could declare that it was an imagination, in the nor
sense, fur any man to put the House of Lords in the,/
Binary condition of being lugged together in schedwe
for some future revolutionary measure.—( Cheers.) oi
Colonel TORRENS said, with all the imaginatioa,
fancy that belonged to the lion. and Learned Gentle
di.
he had omitted to answer the question put to hint,
what situation the House of Lords would be placed I
they pertinaciously resisted the wishes of the people.
Mr. JOHNSTON presented four petitions from vvitt
Royal burghs in the eastern district of Fife, 1401
that part of the Scotch Reform Bill which prapoec"
disfranehise them.
A desultory end uninteresting discussion enseed, °C6;
sinned by an Hon. Member asking leave of absentloti
Lord Mexborou-.th for a fortnight, in consequence of PC
business of great urgency, in tvhich Lord Stormont, 01.
O'Connell, Sir John Sebright, Mr. Smith, Oda.
Goulburn took part. During the discussion some
Members complained that Mr. O'Connell kept his 03:4
for a call of the House hanging over the heads of
Members.

PEMBROKE ELECTION. .40
Sir ROBERT PRICE brought up the report °lOlOO
Committee on the Pembroke election, declaring the c° 01,
pursued by the High Sheriff strongly marked with,!
pable negligence, that of the Under Sheriff with 6;01
partiality, and that of the Assessor with inefficiency;"
that in consequence thereof the election was null and,e
A MEMBER. wished to know whether it was the Pie
tins of the Committee to move for the institution
of
‘.her proceedings? it le.
was not. •;14r

Sir R PRICE observed that 1.. f
his intention, however, to move, that the minutes °id"
deuce taken before the Committee should be laid
fit
the House ; but be did not mean to go 00 ii,4l
to move for the printing of them, as he was io "tts
the notice that had been taken of the proceedings aLlselzl
election would prevent the recurrence of them iii r
r
elections. He trusted the ensuing election vepu"-rotti
found to proceed without vexatious delay or OP ,
proceeding of any kind.
Mr. GORDON did not know how the House:ID::1
proceed in this case without the evidence was prim' l
although he was not a Member of the Committ
should, after the evidence was brought up, move the r
ing of it.
Sir ROBERT PRICE explained.
Mr. BLACKNEY thought that the conduct of tbele
turning officer in this case had been highly improperi:te
Mr. D. BROWNE thought it would be exce°lol,
unjust to the electors of the county of Pembroke, that 101
ther writ should be issued to the present Sheriff, v' 41
proved himself totally incompetent to pet form his
at the last election. le Pi
Sir G. WARRENDER, on the motion being ins'
the printing of the evidence, should give it his hearty
port. He considered it the duty of the House to di
that evidence printed, in order to enable Members tol,"
rightly of the Sheriff's conduct, whose feelings n°
would be greatly wounded by the present proceeding' itY
Mr. HODGSON did not think the judgment ;00'
Committee so severe upon the High Sheriff as marl
hers imagined. oiVj
Mr. WYNNE thought it premature, on the 1130.9.,
---,net do lie - the table, to enter into the P,IT
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that the report do lie on ,
discussion, all of which would be had over again
evidence was printed.
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On the motion that the evidence be la'd before
Ifouse,
Sir ROBERT PRICE observed that after Whi'-oil
taken place, he would give notice of his intention,::,
bringing up of the evidence, to move that it be Pr°
The matter then dropped.
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Mr. ESTCOURT presented petitions from
and other places, praying for no alteration in the
the Sile of Beer. topf
Lord W. GRAHAM presented a petition from Ml-
ton respecting the Scotch Reform Bill. ,i
Sir G. MURRAY present d a petition from the le,
sity of Edinburgh, praying the House to take into cons to
tion the claim of the Scotch Universities to be reproel:',.
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that House. The Right Hon. Baronet thought the clOlO
ceedingly reasonable, the Universities of England and irciril
sending representatives, and it being intended, by thereiti
Reform Bill, to give the Irish Universities a g
number of Members. He strongly recommended tile r