The Sun.
London, England, 1831-03-04 00:00:00

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pArgon, yet amidst all those cireumstanees of popula e the ,1
element which that event was calculated to In
"di
man dreamt of going beyond that qualification. In referenrel the e_eigh
to what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Preston 1011 feo,l7llati
night, he at once admitted that it was useful and rlesirsio - the
_the
that the class who returned him to Parliament-should Mil ce;"essui
represented in that House. To them it must be a source:it', psitretue
great satisfaction to have their views explained 100 l thhaf.
grievance stated in Parliament. It was certainly right that tlisti;"
such great popular bodies should he so represented --but g -"Oahe"
they, he would ask, allow that principle without blele taa„,. eers
something to counterbalance it? The keeping up of itore"!. ST
and steady balance between all interests Iva the s'?,en '4t
hlf • t all
stitulion of England. Those who looked at it othelletthe:
took, in his opinion, a shallow and narrow vie/ t Pent if ti
question. It had become fashionable to abuse that Ifoutte'i bed„ if
and to hold it up to censure, as being unfaithful t° t4nfau;
interests of the people. He believed, that if the acledit;_l tlayth?l'
that House were examined, they would justify a ver_,Y;tii.,th s,;4114,111
ferent kind of feeling. If those acts were looked to rsoitse
out that excitement and agitation which some individat., 14,1 441
Pr ; Mopi
felt, they would be found perfectly in accordance W"-Atse Nail, •
public interests. He had been long in that House, au"iro.htthe•".
had never
called
eevrotatil:ed ,affs
,;ne,eocetrp wouldionfg a everlßteerlfii.enrgrritr .et
I,v,
va.thttt
eR
effor,:arminue.
doieh
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would Of
the log 01;ly 4
Constitution.—(Cheers. ) With respect to granting 0 a,*
not
lut
right of representation to great manufacturing toar°,,,r, ap
thought it would be most useful. He never could rt't, 'art it caul
tain the slightest doubt of it. He also thought .that Scoii I Ithi :4,1t
land ought to have a more extensive representadelb, !II:10:"Y. I
would, lie conceived, ere itly benefit that country, be !itsi,,,l •
out impairing that Constitution the workings of willow) tts
had most inadequately attempted to describe. nut'Aler b It% Iple;st
lie said that Scotland would be benefitted by sae ";,-yeti
tion, he must, at the same time, state, that he b'tte• ittattl the"'
Scotland to he at present virtually and beneficially Lerab Itoki 0 a'.
rented in that House. He had never known any 4as -.15
question that was not earnestly attended to--(lleart 1;4 that ie)ed as
hear)—and he had known the Scotch interest o,desr,
it std of
n,lieavre.rE)_nwgolllluslehd
,acvin,andsseltuhr
consent
thus far
fianartentifversaitesnuo,riu t of the field. --W., at ittt ph"
exped'ency or safety of which ell):ienvtcPooluvlißdngef;:rtemth3;Peqbgruec:i:l:4;
He should like to know on what ground
that his Noble Friend left the right of representatr,de We to
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certain sweet-scented places ? His Noble Friend hauvtipe 1,4414
4,"e
on a reforming tour, but he had taken care to Otes'e,tto
stay at Tavistock.—(Loud cheering.)—With rele‘ht "hick'
the borough which he himself represented, he tloll',(re
right to declare, that as to corruption it was perfecl;bie `Rs ve,hl
maculate compared with 50' or 60 places' which id' 'l` lotalklrefs' -t"
Friend had not interfez hea4oo(
election for that borough, he had not spent one 0 t„ttilli,-,9u
that he was not willing to sub:nit to the greatest P,,hat
with respect to elections, that 'sat in the House. ;; ,
I:,Loreer,.4
4
was not any one item of expence which he was not
tby Ito
rn
to produce. It had cost him 1501., and he wold"or
ingly publish every item of which it consisted at 040 )The
cross.—(Hear.).—Shaftesbury, and Sudbury, *OLIO i Rid V
other places were, it appeared, to be retained, 00`"fichi VII
standing all their impurity, while many other b°r°:e.l• Elavl
were, without any sufficient cause, to be disfranebto ity-l!' A
It would be impossible under the new system fa, itrßyi t
merchants to procure seats in Parliament. If we', tttlea 4
tempted to fix themselves on any of these very Ptsti' "4utalt.,sti
places, the chances were that their exertions would I'oo Statle
nate in bankruptcy and the Gazette. —(Hear.)---13,1", 141 ittisi
plan, boroughs containing less than 2,000 inhum;ooP
were to be disfranchised, and 47 boroughs, having, "apil L'4141),
inhabitants, were to be allowed one Member each•
then, lad.; w
he would ask those persons who were acquainted with, /"lalt LI%
in some degree, favoured places, whether the alteraticliol, „'4lle-ve
likely to introduce a greater degree of purity than c,5.,11 llsaao".?
there at present? Was it to be supposed that the ,4t
would make inquiry as to the purity of the motive' fig
rpßee
:ndidate ? They would do no such thing. l'be ft#
quiry would be confined to the length of his par e•rN4
el; LAIla 1-
"1
candidate must not indeed have committed any j. 'els,r
fence; but, independent of that, if he acted ilberSZ,lo
generously, he would be well received. No man 'e_."-e le ba'l7,,e
acquainted with the facts, could listen without di47 Ai'
this cant about purity.—(Hear, hear.) Instead e'ireffl,t4ritiere,7;
proved morality and purity, an effect directly the eoteta4l,lt ci
would be produced. When it was stated, in exeluitVi "44 et'
the impartiality of the new system, that because 'l*°. or chile Tay el
was on one side of the proposed line of distincto!„ete, ki.„4ti
Callington on the other, the former should be conutV r 1 W,at
and the latter disfranchised, he should be glad to
who it was that drew the line ?—(Tremendous
0 be
•
for several minutes.) It was true, that the one. -0 . 01, „Nti,--„4,'
larger 'dice than the other, but both were small '
Ak to , "
"7, or ‘44y r

and,
with respect to purity, he would only say( • tc,
election for Callington, where there were 200 vott'f;,er ~;4t
him 1.50/., not one sixpence of which was improPeAu'e, is had b
pended.—(Hear, hear.) It was said that the 01" 41° pat
which was now exercised with reference to those 1)1010 ,1411i4t0-tend
by men of rank and wealth enabled them to kn°ij 0b i"ltayttre' -
confidence at the door of the Treasury. But svilvi Vlow,
those persons who got into that House by treatirlSworon.:, not
beer and gin the electors in populous places be as the,( :nation'
nate as those who attained the same end merely' 1))0'er th'4l,l Riv:
money? It was set forward as au argument in. 0.10, ,irktt th;
the plan, that as boroughs were now constituted, !ditli 4,e% 01411
of them might be placed in the hands of a fov ;pi; °1„ mate. ll
duals, who thereby acquired the power of asce.c.otl`
commanding Ministers. But the new plan would joi‘' k %ell
medy that evil. Would not the borough of To 100. 4%,
v At i
for instance, belong to the Duke of Bedford 3' ) r,
after the alteration as before it?—Great( checriP,
the Noble Lord who represented the borough dolibte;,/ top Pea h,
fact, he would insure him his e'ection fur half-a•er° j4,11y
(Laughter.) He would still have his two Aleit'l'e au°'
• he t
Bedford. lie would have the same influence that Ile°, liie°ll,trei
possessed. He would have that influence that vo.l°. We, 44, am
able hint to knock at the Treasury door, Wi,it„lii rge tej„-'4l
Members wished to get rid of by the proposeu,-;di Of it „s" nap
When he said this, he meant not to cast the sligd,,;fs'f, i(l‘l4,t only
putation on the Noble Duke, or to imply that he (Ot qt.!' hi,4l
made such use of his influence ; and here, for ~,geeo6 00,,5411hg
part, be would beg to state, that lie had now 0 oar,' Of t,rtiltle
five years in Parliament, and during that time belie.ol? coo',
ver once knocked at the Treasury door, as the P. l!N:ted
or ever asked a favour from Ministers in Ilitt 1,40.01 far)°,,t4
Ip
begged pardon for thus introducing his own nani-oe§r
discussion of this kind. To return—the real 1`,;'41 gi
was, whether the Bill (lid not destroy one iinera
terest in order to create another ; whether--for
c'oa
minor consideration, whether the influence in tl"dot did tiu has,
lusted to was exercised by the Duke of B611°1.00:0, rj 4„,.11t
other, for the purpose of making an alteration--; o,,eif'or NotCerto
not cut off the interests of the lower elasse, ° effict:es o
He said this, not as an advocate for universal tpd.dhe tlk lor II
any thing like it, but still lie thought that opr 11°'41 llk(1.!°4.
such as now existed, should be given to represented ,
tvt
of the humbler classes of society. lie was v/11 e, ,'4„4, t
a few days ago by some of the pot-wallopPer"l djt
ge/
told them that there could be no extensive 0.01,1 144 \v„liat
which would nut sweep away:their boroughs. 11,.°,1;ig 1,1 t( ts-e
hers might be assured that the intelligence '10; We,
of Reform would not give satisfaction among the plerpf
classes. The country shopkeeper might be. 14,al Mile;
but his pa. rer neighbour would be greatly dissattil' 111,,i4„ t'lit„44t
it was certain that his interests would be gre3'lo,l"!lit"%t. At
by it. To that part of the plan which cut 'titt44lt
voters, he had no objection ; but he thought the P
of continuing the votes in the boroughs whiebcasyfl 'ls diieter of
during the lives of the present voters was it' fle 010 44 't
rc
with the general principle advocated by the 1,41)4,11i,
nutted the general principle that prima facie sa ool'
in the kingdom, being a natural-burn subject, d i.e 0 41%4: 11
to a vote, unless it could be shown that its exer.,;rool/1
prove injurious to himself, er to the general coLj. it' tt1.,4,4t
the community. If the person having this rigoeil Pia ra°Be
convinced that he ought not to be permitted tht coollrfl 1;11
well and good •; but by what sort of iirgut°°-,107 tP liners
convince lion that he might exercise it vitithut ~fterol I
the general welfare fur twenty years, but tai :010
tot belt I el
time the exercise of it would be greatlY a sho I, k,411;t
the state? Ile owned he could not understa°. , theoe, the'
of reasoning. The 10/. qualification namedld 1)eholle • 11,‘;4Y;
cl
was, he took it for granted, the lowest that e°t'scere 4.,it 414
tioned consistently with safety, far 31 inirteo svereo,o
to go lower if they could do so with safct)'.
rid
then fur the next twenty years, during a Pel,
eg
l Grp of
it was probable would be one of no ni'diu,l,,,,tcprhc
to have the existing voters in boroughs Wit'',cre r Pij tstlV
qualifications—with qualifications which
_ `safery'(t itt't tots,
by the Bill itself, to be too low for the, • dui
state,—were they, he asked, to have tticogcaj tai s'JU
more dangerous, because lower qualifief to/it'
s, j,l liewt
ing freemen to continue in full operation • toePbc Lem
it would have been more consistent to sa)'' ala yesv,o. tis,fi
atmosphere looks cloudy at present, let let 4440,1
lification as high as 15/. for the next
theorithiP.iio
and after that we shall see if we can go Pas to 0 " I,e titt,-,,klite
qualification. Ile would now say a W°l-uf per'et !11;'e
of the measure with respect to the clasa node. it', siov, ge
might bc introduced into Parliament t's 113151/1 ,fre hit4tiolt
Inuit contend that as independent 3leinbert of Ito aNlteit
not be improved ; for, considering the e till a
now represented some of those close h.°
toot Ors lef
icr,, th;
were called, the temptations to abuse the'r j 0, ti tie Ih°tee et
much less than in the case of those returije Jiti°
lila °P , se° 1,1,54
inept chosen under the new plan. lu , ope
this plan would destroy the Ca' institution_4oecce,;. Nyttt
an entire change by taking away thoseue79o 0;00;0,4 shi
had so long existed, and which had ,“". thie.ag 4411
thing he feared,—that it might go f°r. %tot°
that in rejecting this plan they were no