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COUNTY COURTS BILL

Lori"! ELLENBOROUGH. presented 'petitions froth two
02Icers of the Court of King's Bench, praying fin- compensa-
tioil for loss of Ftes under the Ctrinty Courts mll.
The LOW CHANCELLOR said„that he had presented a
petidoii to .the same effect from a Gentler/1070r the name of
6ho:t, and he dienght that if any one xteriethin to 0:71174-:
'satins, that Gentleinan rms. _ _ _

Lord IU said, that if it appeared that those in-
dividuals bad really sustained a loss, there would be no doubt
of their receivinteornpensation. The principle had been acted
upon on a former occasion.

Lord .ELLENBOROUGH hoped• that their Lordships
would institute a Committee ter -the purpose of ascertaining
who deserved compensation and who did not.
The petitions were laid on the table.
' Lord BEXLEY presented two petitions to the, same effect,
from persons similarir-situated —Laid on the table. -
The Earl of LIVERPOOL presented a petition from cer-
tain Merchants of the City of London, praying (at; rie.under-
stood) for a revision ofthe Laws relative to Agents and Factors.
Laid on the table. • . •
The Earl of LAUDERDALE presented a Petition frovi
certain. Persons,_ praying their Lordships to proceed with the
case of the Gardener Peerage, as there were several witnesses
retnaining in town to be examined.
• The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that those, so situated
'had better beat once examined, and the others might take their
chance.—Laid on the table.

IRISH MAXUFACTURES.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN presented a Petition from
the Noblemen and Gentlemen- forming the Chamber of Corn.
merce:or the. City of D.ublia„ and from other persons, praying
the House to pass the Bill into a law, for promoting manu-
factures in Ireland ; and-a similar • Petition from the Mer-
chants and Manufacturers of the county and city of Waterford.
Petitions to. the same-effect were presented by
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, froth the town of Lon-
donderry ; by . .
Eiti 111 AitlfliY, from Monaghan ; and by
Lord ilosiOßD, from the city-ind vicinity of Armagh.
The Petitions were laid on the table., •
The -Marquis of LANSDOWN said, that it had been the
intention of his Noble Friend (the Earl of Harrowbn to move
'yesterday, the suspension of the Standing Order, No. 198, but
his Noble Friend had been prevented by.illnessfrom so doing.
He (the Marquis of Lansdown) now wished that it might be
dispensed' with, as the intention of the Bill was to promote
manufactures in Ireland, an object of very vital importance in-
deed. The-Standing Order required that all Bills of this. de.
scription'should Brit pass through a Committee to receive their
reporttherenpon; but in this case it did not appear to him to
be necessary. -
After a-few observations from the of LAUDIIIDALIE
and the MarquistfLasisnowie, •
The Earl of LIVERPOOL suggested that the Report of
the Committee might be obtained in a much shorter time -than
the question could- be debated, and the subject remained' as, it
originally stood. -
IRISH CHURCHES.

E„lg-ii,lGirttaNprese4ited a ,igori from certaia inhabit-
ants of the parish of kilbenny, tae County of Cofic,"lll4/-
ing that an addition..l church might be built in their parish.
The Noble Earl stated, that the pariah of Kilisenny WWI very
extensive, and that many of the parishioners lived at a diatatice
of twelve or thirteen miles from the church.

Earl CI:UDEN said, that something was. about to'like
"place which would throw considerable light on this subject.:
The Catholics of Ireland had resolved to meet, and to procure
from their Priests an account of the number of Protestants and
Catholics in every parish in that country. In many of those pa-
rishes he was perfectly certain" there were not more than five
Pratestants, and in some not more than one. But the great
evil that had given rise to such well-grounded complaints as
that just alhided to by the Noble Earl (Kingston), was the sys-
tern of union of parishes that was so prevalent in Ireland. In
the county of Kilkenny, for example, there was one union of
ten parishes, and one parish was at the distance of no less than
25 or 30-intles from another: He knew this system had grown
outbf necessity that the penal code and other beautiful laws
'bad been the cause of it ; but he thought it high time a change
should be introduced. He thought that overgrown parishes
ought to be divided ; not, indeed, when they produced no more
than 200) a-year, but certainly when they produced 2000/. If
Cutates could live upon bbl. per annum, Rectors could live
upon 2001., and in his opinion they ought to do so. But the
fact was, that those rich parishes were preserved for the sons
and nephews of Bishops, ,who must, of course, .have • rich liv-
ings. This was the grand secret of those unions of parishes.
But if the House meant to preserve the Church—that Church
which:had set itself in battle array, against the Bill,which had
been recently brought up from the House of Commons, and
rejected by:their Lordships, it should alter this system. He
would put a question to the Noble Earl opposite, and if the
Heir Presumptive ware present he would put the question to
him, How and when was that great subject to be set for ever at
rest ?
Lord KINF 'said he found, on examing certain returns, that
in the Diocese of Clonfert, there were eleven parishes united.—
This was the magnum bonum •of Church preferment,"-a most
glorious gift to any son er nephew of a Bishop. In Kildare
there were 64 parishes, and only 24 of them single. In Killala
there were 134 • parishes, united. into 42 benefices, under the
care of 42 Shepherds, if Shepherds they'could be called. This
Was the tie fans ultra of Irish unions, unions which were created
whenever there was the son of an Irish. Bishop to be provided
for. He doubted, if even in Constantinople kparallel- to this
case could be found. In Gieece; indeed,- such,roight have been
the cue" Butlet the Rector of Skibbereen, of whom their Lord.
ships had before heard, compare notes of profit with any Der.
vise in Greece, and see whirls tmadthe advantage. Btit the Der-
vise <labia say; l• Oh, if you do not pay us a e will bring you
before the Cadi," whiCh the IriahClergytnan thight say, " Oh !
we •will bring you before the Orange Magistrate ;" and• he
(Lord King) knew to whom he'would rather apply for justice,
the Turkish Cadi, or the Irish Orange Magistrate. •According
to the rate at which the Rectors and the Bishops were paid, a
primacy in Ireland was a better preferment than the Pope.—
walifor such people that the Bill for the. Relief of the
Catholics was rejected the other day. But that Bill must in the
end.pass;and he would rather it would be under the auspices of
the Defender of the Faith, than under the auspices of his Most
Christian Majesty: . .
Lord CARBERY said that he agreed in many of the obser-
vations of his Noble Friend(Lord Clifden); but he was confi-
dent that within the last 20 ywars a considerable alteration had
taken place with respect to thaainion of parishes' in Ireland, to,
an extent indeed that was hardly incredible. He knew also
that those unions were divided whenever the power of dividing'
lay with the Bishops. In the Diocese 'of Ceti and Ross; with
which he was beet acquainted, the 4triproiernents had been very
great. In this Diocese four unions had ,heeri sonic time since
separated into, 14 benefices, and churches had been built on
many Of them.
Lord KlNO:said, that so recently.as 1321, there were three
vlarr NaIGSTO.? observed, that the Bishops had
unions in this diocese.
ilia "had'be4n tirade by
notTtlniee power of ,tliSsolving the unions
the :council. He hoped the Noble Earl would 'enable the.
Bishops to dissolve them.
Lord D.ARNLEV said, that thingi in Ireland' were in this
i."
TPelicetib)eYtintiOnrn weanal so bad as they were:
read and laid on the table.
CORN' LAWS. ' • .

Lord HOLLAND presented a petition front the inhabitants
onite.patish of St:Alary, Lambeth, in vestry asseniblet4 pray-
ingifor a 4nore.liberal revision of the C.orttav,,,,.
tawitignbof which we could not prftrin'
Lord DACRB pretented several petitions from •hundreds in
no alteration in the COrn Laws. Tie Coble
that
tahc.e or
there
nmt yight be

Lord observed, that altogether those potitfon4 Wire signori by
26,000 landed preprietors.
QUARA,NTINC -LAWS.
Earl of. DANLEY SW that a supnleoientary paper had
been put into his hands.; by which. ural.:.-estood that 'ships
corninefiem Constahtinople had' been released frernAttsran-
tine. ' The 'fact was; that several ships had been litreratied
with foul hills of health, and with a very iMparfeet airing;
Other ships that had artived froth- Alexandria load.li*alibe
rated...at once without any. precaution whatever'. Ile should
not noW'rnOve for any-further returns on the subjeet,"aitthose.
that lay 'on the table were sathifacrory 'as they :rent; blat
had alluded on 'a former night. to the holief that fireigh- nit-
-tioni . had taken the alarm. If the-Noble Earl opposite (Earl
Liverpool) would state that such 'was- not the osse," he would
not proceed farther; but, if otherwise, lie 'would 'iti-ove for
copies of all correspondence with Foreign Powers' that had
taketi, relative to the Quarantine basis during ilia pre-
setat atid past years:
' . The Earl of LIVERPOOL had. nu objection -6
the Z;,)ble
Earl's motion.-.-Ordered.
BONDED CORN.
'rise Earl of LIVERPOOL having moved the Order of the
- .
Day Tor going ititoa Committee OM the Bonded Cori Lill,
. The. Earl of MALNIESBUItY,Ati.iIitgcI tolke union of two
measures the.txthe. Bill: Had ietirkeitateil in that House;
he ihatild have moved that it be divedeil-into two BMA
he understOod,, could not now be.done, he should diity. p'r'opose
that instructions be given to the Committee to strike but that
part...of the •Bill.which went to alter the duty do wheat the
prodace of the British Colosies in .Amerka. He..,willied that
part of the measure to be postponed till the gee eralluestion
of the Corn. Laws should be flisrufised next year. He. appre-
hended that if Canadian corn were allowed to be imported into
this country we should, be inundated with that of America.—
The canal lately made by the State of New York. uniting the
Lakes Ontario and Erie with the Atlantic,. woul3 afford. 'the
Americans great facilities- for pouring their corn into Canada_
for the purpose of exportation. It would also be itinuggled
from other quarters into that Province. With respect to the
question of emigration from Ireland, he entertained stnr,e doubt,
for as hone but respectable characters and per Kins capable-
of cultivating land were, allowed to proceed to Canada, it
might well be asked whether it was expedient to withdraw
such from 'lreland; and whether cultivation might:
not be carried to Such an extent in Canals es to overpower..
this country with its produce.' He was by no means an'adv9;.
sate for high prices; tie only Wished for such .as would remu-,
nerate thefarmet, and Make the Manufacturer comfortable.—
fie regretted that the,whple question had not been left*alone
altogether; 'and-66141n that such a measure as the occasional
admission of Bonded Corn would be preferable to perpettialH
impOrtatton from Canada,. The Noble 'Earl : concluded by
Moving theinstructions which he had Mentioned at the begin-1
kiing of his speech.
After a few objections on point of forM to the motion froni
Earl RAIWOR which were overruled, - I

Earl BATHURST stated that the, two questions had -been
united in one'single 'Bill, because they referred to 'measures
which were also contained in one Bill passed in 1816. HO con-
ceived the apprehensions of the Noble Earl chimerical. Cana-
dila Corn was allowed to be imported into this • country; what-
ever the price might be here; but it was on two conditions :
first, that it should pay a duty, of bs. per quarter; secondly,
;that it should be imported in theshape of wheat and not flour,
Which was exactly the reverse of What had hitherto been done.
Now both Canada and-America looked chiefly foie market to,
the West Indies; where ft was netessary.that Corn should, he
exported in the shape of flour. A considerable alteration, there:
fore, must be inade even in Canada b afore they conld.avail diem-
selves of the present Bill,'and as there would be a duty of eight
shillings.per quarter tin. the entrance of American Corn into.
.Canada,. there could beano apprehension of its finding its Way,
through thatquarter. _There was.no doubt also that Canada,
although receiving this measure with gratitude, would agree to
a liniitation of its experts, provided flour be admitted as well as
wheat. His Noble 'Friend was afraid of the clandestine im•
portation of American corn into Canada, but as under the pre-
sent Bill it must be exported in grain, the intik would expose it
to:sent:re, and the Canatinns who were to have the monopoly of
the'expcirts, would naturally exert themselves to prevent the
clididesarfe intiodtictioliof Arnticatt Voriu- T-his -would be
done'the more easily, as every district in Upper Canada was di-
vided into townships, and there Van a strive. regularly once a
year. It would be an Unworthy and unsafe policy to condemn
theseleftile provinces to sterility. Aslo thtitianiter of an over-
powering i4uppiy, even if there was no intention of next year li-
miting the importation, it would always be possible to repeal the
piesent Act:
The Earl of LAUDERDALE contended, that the Bill
()belt to have been divided into two, and that no Satisfactory
reason had been t,iven. for the union of the two questions. He
did not consider mint sufficient information had been laid before
the House 'to justify the present Measure, and thought that
their Lordships ought to postpone all enactments 'upon the
subject till the next year, when' the whole system was to be
revised.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL looked at the. admission of
Bonded Corn in an inverse ratio to the Noble Earl who had
moved the amendment. He admitted that it was liable to some
objections, but he thought it advantageous both to the con-
sumer and the Landed Interest. To the consumer, because
it would check the rise of prices ; and to. the Landed Interest,
because, by checking the rise of price., it Would prevent un-
limited foreign importation. But he attached little importance 1,
to it, when compared with the admission of Canadian-Corn.—
This he conceived to be a most sound and necessary measure.
His Noble Friend said, wait till the next Seasion, when the
whole system of the Corn Laws should be taken into conside-
ration. .But this was a question independent of that system
and, whatever was done .with
,the Corn Laws, even if- their
Lordships should determine that nothing at all should be done,
the admission of Canadian Corn ought to be carried into effect.
Whilst their Lordships were wisely. engaged in getting rid Of,
monopolies and restrictions, in opening the trade of this coon-
try in its different branches, and in opening this country to the
trade of other nations, could any one believe that it was pos..
Bible - to exclude from the operation of the same system, the
chief object of exchange, Corn ? But if it were done with re--.
spect to foreign countries, could it be done.with respect to sour
colonies ! The whole system had hitherto been bounding in.
monopolies ; this wan not= their Lordships' fault, it had been
the But when the Colonies of that'
world system
were theeorh
dent States on account 'of the
becoming
ein
g whole
inwdoerpMen.
commercial restrictions under-which they had laboured, would
their Lordships follow the dangerous example of refusing. to
give to British Colonies that free trade whiesit they were giving
to Europe. As to the fear ofover-impOrtation from Canada; it
was idle.' The freight and'insurance would amount to 12s. Gd.
per quarter, which, with the addition of a 'duty of five- shil•
lingo alto per • quarter, would 'be a sufficient protection—,-
Indeed. he had objected to the amount 'of that duty in the
toranaitt-40, and he wished it to be reduced to half a • crown. '
With resnettatO Atnerienn Corn, betides its price, which was
3fis: or 40s. a quarter, and 12t. Ba. of Ireight, it' would have
a duty of es. to pets for its introduettot into Canada, which
would tender it totidrar to be worth` exportation. When it
'was considered also that it could only come in .British ships,.
the more the demand shOuld increase. the more would trade
prosper; Canada took all our manufactures; she should he.
provided with the Meant of paying for -ticern l,v being placed.
on a proper footing: Ile did not grudge Ireland any benefit
which had been or could be conferred uponbut he would
tell those who feared that', her interests would he injured by
the presebt measure, to lodk, at the diffetence of her taxes.—
lieland Witt 'not tasted as high as. Pcland. He was glad' f it ;'
but after having been told` that Ireland had I.ieti kept down for
hundreds of years by unjust restrictions, let her -not wish to'
keep'derm'other'portions of the British: Empire-by sinniler.re-
strietions. The free importation of corn from -Ireland was not
the work of the Union. It had been granted by subnequent
importation
!hesoulot:id lelsltsYtas-xifestithi6afnneEngland, had
Acts, and he know, had been first looked- at: with jealousy.-
feared:that the
could it be justly
odßanructeowninohatiiitn,(l7imatitioireietrehanzdtwxh,e.sin t
7,
comparatively small. quantay that would.be imported front
Canada could prove injoeieus. It was not only an act of kind-
fleas that woula".be dent? to Canada. If tbeir .I.ordshiptecon-
sidered her situation *ld near what neighbour she waft placed;
they would see the propriety of adopting a liberal policY towartia
her. On all peimcipli4 of tree trade, Juitice, and policy,' the
present measure, ought to he adopted. Ile strongly reconi-
mended to the Landed interest to look At the cpultibli in a
wore liberal. point. Ipt acti.,T. so, they would not
only tin credit to themselves, but-genie the best interests of the
country. .
t 'th •
11.08SLYN contend et , 'tha e,me attire uould yield
no inamediate.adviintme to Canada.,
.i,vat only introduced.
to:establish a .Principle, and what principle ?: That .a greAt
bieach' was tole 'rritide'in-the pie
*cot" syAtern of Veto Lawns for

The Eartof LI VE Ft POOL complained' that his argument 4
had been jllit; rep r..-se ted In • saying; that the whole system
Would he brought before the consideration of Failiament, next
Session, he had said no mote than WAS announced is tli.e Act of
ga22. to the present measure, instead of cn!-.sidering it as
Part of an attack .on the Caro Laws, he had ,distizi,eily.atitted
that it was independeni of any .change which aligiit e made it
them. Ile rested the whole necessity of the measUre on this,
that it was fit ta adopt a snore liberal system
.with respect to our
Colonies. •
The Earl of LIN BRICK .opposed the, Bill, be consi-
dered as the advanced guard of an attack or. the C,:tin Laws of
this country.
Lord• E LLE NBOROIIO lithonglit it a west ii.:oetAcial snea.
sore, especially- that part of it whiob reletA to Canadl,t- He
also considered it well -tinted: iVhen we were recognizing the
independence of the Colonies of other States hadthrofirn
off their independence on-account of the counnerelal
fric-
tions to which they had .been subjected, it became zi.s io rell'eve
our Colonies from similar restrictions. Ile regrettfd that any
duty was imposed or. Canadian Corn, ;and- wished it cis -have
been placed on the same footing as that coming. from Ireland.
He also regretted that his i%! ajesty's Ministers should not-dread •
the effect of Civil and Religious ilLsqualiiications_ as they clid
that of Commercial ones.
Lord ENNISKILLEN opposed the measure. The dis-
tresses which- landed proprietors had suffered in Ireland could
-tiot only,be known by those,who had. been resident on their
Own estates, and who. having, no funded property. bad been.
obliged to live on borroWed 'money. Now that their' pro-
sperity was reviving-, it was wished .to put an extinguisher'
upon, it.
The -Earl
,Of-CAII,NARIrt)N- reeanun ended that the mea-
sure should be postponed"till the next Session. He 'wished
that the liberal system adopted with regard to trade, should be
extended to rellginus matters. . • . •
Lord REDESDALE maintained, that to allow ,a free trade
in corn, would be to effect a complete revolution -in the consti-
tution of property. It was a false and most dangerous policy
to oursue.

The House then divided on the Amendment—
Present. Proxies.
Contents - 27 . 7 - . - 34
Not Contents - 24- 151 - - '49

Majority against the Amendment . - • —5
Lord LAUDERDALE saki, that as the bill. was still to
remain before, the House, which was then. but thinly attended,
he would propose to defergoitig into the Commiitee until. Mon-
day neat, which was agreed to.
Lora RI DESDALE moved the Order•of the Dar for the
second reSdiog of the County Courts' Bill prof .-rna, in order
to its postponement until Fiiday.
• il&jourred 3t NINE O'CLOCK.

HOUSE O,F COMMONS'.

HANTS AND REIMS CANAL.

Mr. C. DUNDAS, in a lo—w
tone of voice, complained of the
conduct of the Committee otr this Bill, the Members of which
had voted their Chairman out of the Chair -in order to get
rid of the Bill'aitogether. He should move the revival of the
Committee._
______ , .

, . .
The'S'PEAKER said it Was the Proper practice of Commit-
tees to report against a Bill, • but not -to get rid of a Bill by
moving the Chairman out of the Chair.
-Mr., R. SIIITH objected to the motion; the. Bill would be
greatly injurious to private property., He should"move the pre7
viouaquestion.
. Mr. BRIUHT, in very severe
.terms, reprobated the 'conduct
of the Committee. It was an improper proceeding, and equalled
any act of' jobbine had ever heard of. .
• BOURN said that the merits of the Bill Int& no-
thing to do with the question before the House. fie strongly
objected to Members voting against a Bill of which they knew
nothing,' Re should vote N. the revival. ' - • -- •
ESTCOUIIT concurred in this opinion,' and said that
he was slightly acquainted with the proceedings of Com-
mittees, but it did not appear that this Con:Mince had acted
unfairly.
Mr. MABER IX thought it right to revive the Committee,
but not this Session ; for it would be very inconvenient and ex-
Pensive to the parties.
Mr.. F. PALMER said, that the greater part of the Land-
holders near the line of the Canal were against the Bill, and he
should vote against the motion.
Sir T. D. ACLA ND contended, that the Committee had act.
ed very improperly, and the House Was bound to investigate it.
He Was in favour of the motion.

Mr.'2IONCK defended the conduct of the Committee.
SmiTit withdrew his motion.

Mr. Alderman "HEVGATE opposed the witharnwal of the
motion for the previous question. The House ought to inquire
into the fries, and correct them:

The motion then was put; that the Committee meet to.mor-
row, which was carried. _

A INliisage was received from the House of Lords, stating
"that they had given their assent to several Bills (for tides of
which see Lords Report).*
The Clyde Navigation Bill was read a third time and passed.
Mr. S. SMITH gave notice, that he should-to-morrow pre-
sent .ft petition from the Merchants of London relating to the
petition from Certain Cotton
La;IV Cif :3311eaxrch,ivanttA.ain dl3Fr
eFtsietnOtr.
ed a
Sp` inners of lienfreWshire, relating to -the excessive lab Ours of
Children in Cotton Mills:--Ortlered•to lie bn the table.
General PHIPPS 'presented a petition from the Shipowners
of Scarborough against the misrepresentations of the Seamen
of the Union Society.... Ordered to be printed. - •
Lord STANLEY presented apetition from the Cotton Spin-
ners 'of Staley-bridge against the Combination Laws.--Re-
ferret% to the Committee: _ _ .

.-.l!;:siu----Lx presented a petition from the Cotton Spinners of
Highgate, in favoUr of the 13ililimiting the hours of labour for,
Children in Cotton Pactories...—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. MABERL Y presented' a petition .frond the Edinburgh
College of Physicians against the Irish Prison Bill.---Ortieteti
to be printed.
Mr. HusitissbNpresented a petition 'from the Artikans in
the Staffordshire- Potteries against 'the Combination Laws.—
Ordered to bereferred to the Committee.

11,1 r. Huidt presented u similar petition from the Journey-
men Tanners or Dublin.'

Mr. P. l 3 fiENFELL thought the preent systetn'would not
go On'tnuch longer, and that the House ought-to take the sub-
ject'or the COmbinatiori Laws into their consideration.—Re
!erred to COtinniWe.' - -