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stru&eii Clic; -fecruithy; inn former year,' then, that
woilld-ha an-admission that he had.ne ,:er before Made,
ii having•• al',;ilys; been stated that the .I?arish Bill
did? the ordinary .recria,iting.!--
If Noble-. Lord should not so objeEt,
,then .the
conclui6n -was inevitable that the -present was the
better nude of recruititrg. But then the Hon. Gen-
tleinari opposite night say that this mode of recruit-
ing did 'hot prothice as much as the other two, and
be•shoUTd-rint say that it had. , But it produced in

thalraportion df two to - one more tha-n• the .ordi-
narywcvniting, and the desertion was considerably
ditpipiih4ti. Besides, under the Parish men.
above the standard age of fifteen years, and three
inches: below the standard size, were received. At
pß.s‘lnr, no men would be received under five feet
five•inches. The increase in the recruiting had been
progressive, but in the last few weeks it had ex-

seeded the produce of, the Parish Bill and ordinary
recruiting in the correspondent period of last year,
'There was to that advantage to be-added the amount
of the recruiting at head-quarters, whic4 had been
totally extinguished by. the Parish Bill, and.Of which
no returns had been yet procured. He was not
aware of any other observation of the Noble
_Lord
to which it was at'that time necessary for, him to
advert.—Many he was sure were worthy of retnark;
but other' opportunities would .occur for that pur,
pose.,-4s to the circumstances of the men being
intitled of right to the allowance,it had been thought
proper that men.. who had spent their lives and
constitutions in the service of their country should
not be left to the caprice of Commanding Officers as
to their title to their reward,--after a service of four-
teen or twenty-one years. The Noble Lord bid
observed,, that a man wild might be disabled after
two or three years service would be entitled to his
pension, but if disabled in the, service, he would
ask why he should not ? He invited the Hop. Gen-
tleman opposite to go-into the proofs of the state.
ments be had made, because the more they should
' be ineuired,into, the more they would be found
cared. All he had further to say he should reserve
for the present. •
Mt:PERCIVAL professed himself far, frodi be-
ing satisfied with the explanations that had,heen gi-
ven respeaing the delay in Sending reinforcements,
to Buena; Ayres. But he would confine the-few
observations he should now offer to the House, to
two ',or three of the points upon which the Secretary
at War had dwelt much, and upon others; to which
neither the Right Hon. General, nor the -Right
Hon... Secretary had' scarce alluded. The Right
Honourable. Secretary (Mr. Windham), ia' setting
out with his plan, hall boasted much, that it would
produce a regular force, an Army, and -that alinOst
immediately. Nuw, however; he talks-of the re-
sult of hi,; plan as merely intended to afford a supply.
diffitrent was his present language With regard
to the Army- of -Reserve : when that 'measure was
under discussion it incurred his censureinow he
speaks of it rather with praise. Other alterations
wertqo be observed in his system as' far es it 'went
to discharge veterans; and to grant the Chelsea Pen-
sions. to both these respects it was deprived in part
of the" benefits which it at first held out. 'Now, as
to the omissions of the Right HonourableGentle
man :—Upon the Training Bill nothing is said by
the Secretary at War ; scarcely any thing even `by its
author. Even- respeteing the Volunta.N-s, little has
been said by them) alkthat little would better-have
been omitted. It is contended that scarcely any di-
minution has been felt in that establishment; but it
is not the ebtabliLliment that existed before which
is to be, compared with that establishmentaSlt now
exists ; but the alteration is to be takete TrOin the
returns of the numbers ; they will prove{ 'the real
4.-liminution. Yet the Volunteers wet4esactifieed to
the Iraiaiog Bill, which Training Bill is confessed
to have produced nOthing. The next: point was
the recrOips, It was cOntended that 'the pre-
`gent plan produteddouble what the old recruiting
System had produced. He could see no proof of
this assertion. . Did the Right 'Hon. Gentlemen
Leep,it4ty their pockets ? If they would not come
'forward with that proof, he would produce' ope to
'suety!--quite the contrary ; and here the Learned
€3.,,zitrlerretn- went into a comparative view Of the
'-niled,bers raised under the two systems during the
140-7mdti tbs..- most favourable to that service, viz.
Septembie 'and October ; the result of which was,
'that` ditridg'the same months under Mr. Pitt's Bill,
with the checks and fa(itious opposition to it, the
',number of men raised by it exceeded. by more than
200 that' raised by the present plan. Ifthe'opera-
tion'Olthetwo plans was examined for a, Ing,er
riod;the,,saine proportion would attend the result.
Thus this branch of the new system must:he allowed
to have completely failed. As to the progress of the
recruiting at head-quarters, he should say nothing.
The only military intbrination he could possess must
be colleacd-trom the documents upon the table, and
iltese only led.to.error4 :He, had alsojo regret and.
rep-ciwte the alterations that have been made in the
'terms of recruiting- ; they were. contrary to law ; the
INPriiil% of theM was improvident, .flier left room kir
fraud, He should not.. now detain the House far-
ther. - As tar as the sum of money proposed to be
raised went, he should make no objecaion ; but
what had fallen from the' two Right Hon. Secre-
taries called for the few observations he had made.
Lord I.IOIVICK had little._ to say after the clear
and -able: manner in which every objeCtion had
been obviated-or answered by his Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. Windham).—The objedions and censure dealt
out by the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) for the- delay
in sending sucours to Buenos Ayres, came with an
extreme ill grace from that Noble Lord. Succours
Were sent to that newt conquest with all the dis-
patch that was possible, considering the length of
time• the ships were to be.provisioned for, and the
difficulty of colluding transports at the moment,
and the distance of the voyage the more so, as no
p•-evious expectation existed of such an acquisition
tying been made. Yet all' this should have been
d we in ten 'days according to the opinion of the
Voble -Lord, who, during one of his' administrations
(tor be was known to have two strings to his bow),
did not, in so many months, fit out any expedition
4n-en to CPOb3 the Channel, with all the previous
.geowledge he possessed of the great Coalition that
tas formed against Alia common. enemy. The
Noble Lord then proceeded to retort the charge 44
•Aiagni.4eent promises „being held out by, his Ceti.:
-leepes, which were .followed by no proportion
LcUtion, -hy stating, that similar promises had
'Oeotinlield 'tint by the Gentlemen opposite him when.
in power, which, howeverj- were attended with still

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one Of their measures to raise forty thousand men :
the plan, notwithstanding, did not foise six
thousand: Was it then to them to speak of
promises ? Undoubtedly a large force was raised
during one of the Administrations to which the
Noble Lord belonged; but the praise of that mea-
sure belonged,to anot►•er person, who, however, had
resorted to a great variety i)f means for raising it.—

So much could not be said of the military measures
of the last Administration, of which the Noble Lord
was also a Member. With respe& to the Training
Bill, it was true that; little had been said about it ;
but that was because all that was necessary to say
had already been observed on various former occa-
sions. He should not therefore delay the House
with any repetition of it, especially at so late an hour.

Sir JOHN DOYLE felt anxious to offer some
observations on what had passed; but at so late an
hour, and-as a. new Member, he should not now at-
tempt to claim the attention of the House, the more
so, as the attack with which a Noble Lord (Castle-
reagh) threatened his Majesty's Ministers, would
soon afford him an opportunity of delivering hii
opinion on the same topics.

Lord CASTLEREA9II and Mr. WINDHAM entered
into several explanations respeaing the extent and
nature of the documents laid before the House, and
Mr. WINDHAM expressed a willingness to afford
every additional information in his power, with the
reservation of what he had already objected to grant.

• Mr. GEORGE JOHNSTONE, in allusion to
some part of the speech of the Secretary at War, 'de-
nied his having pledged himself to bring forward a
charae'against Ministers for their want of economy,
and °their profusion in the expenditure of the public
money. He never had given such a pledge : he only
said, that he anxiously looked for the proofs of the
promises they made- of a frugal and provident Admi-
nistration of the Finances of the Country, on their
coming into office. He should watch- for the exe-
cution of them; and, from their high professions, be
should 'even be justified if he were not satisfied at
seeing them not snore prodigal than their predeCes-
sors, whom they had so often 'accused of, the most
wanton profusion and cKtravagance. •
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The SECRETARY at WAR explained.
Mr. ROSE said, that as the comparative economy
of the two Administrations had been -brought into
question, • he should to-morrow, upon 'the Repoit,
take occasion to offer a few remarks upon that
subj -
After several further explanations and obserVationg
from Lord 'CASTLEREAGII, General Doris,, and Mr.
WiNntrikm, the Resolutions were agreed, to, and the
House resumed.

After the different items had been moved,
Lord HENRY PETTY rose to observe, that the
principle of economy upon which his Majesty's
nisters had set out would be rigidly adhered to, and
referred to the' gradual diminution in several of the
charges, particularly in tie .13arrack Departthent, as
.a proof of that determination.
The Report was then ordered to be received to-
morrow.

On 'the Motion of Lord CASTLCREAGH, the 'Re-
turns of the Etit.t.itive Military Strength of the Coon-
try, together with the Regulation Book, were order-
ed to be printed. Also the Papers on the table re-
speBinu the Ordnance Department.
Sir fouN NEWPORT brought in the Rill to'amend
the Corn Intercourse. Aa, passed last Session; by
limiting•the provision of the former Aft to any grain
not the growth of. Great Britain and Ireland. The
Bill 'was read a first ,titne, and was ordered to be read
a second time and printed, • •
The Bill for Abolishing certain Offices in Ireland
was read a second time, and was ordered to be com-
mitted to-morrow.