The Sun.
London, England, 1849-03-28 00:00:00

MINISTERS' MONEY (IRELAND).

Motion made, and Question proposed, " That this House
will to-morrow resolve itself into a Committee, to take into
consideration the Law relating to ,he Rats or Tax called
Ministers' Money' in Ireland, with a view to the repeal of
so much thereof as relates to the said Rate or Tax ; and fur-
ther, to take into consideration the Act 3 and 4 Will. IV.,
c. 114, called the Church Temporalities Act,' for the pur-
pose of amending the same, so as to provide thereby a tub-
,titute out of the revenues of the Ecclesiastical Commis-
sioners, as a provision for the Protestant Ministers in certain
corporate towns in Ireland, in lieu of the annual sums now
received by them under and by virtue of the Act 17 and 18
Car. IL, cap. 7 :"—Whereupon previous Question put,
" That that Question be now put." The House divided :

MINORITY-AYES, 44.
Aglionby, IL Heyworth, L. Raphael, Alexander
Barron, Sir 11. Runic, J. Sclielefield, William
Blake, M. J. Kershaw, James Scully Francis

Brotlierton, J. Lawless,'Cecil

Strickland, Sir G

Callaghan, D. 31‘Cullagh, W. T. Sullivan, Michael
Cowan, Charles Meagh,r, Thomas Tenison, E. K.
Crawford, W. S. • Moore, George 11. Thielmesse, Ralph
Dawson, T. V. Norreys, Sir D. Thompson, Colonel
Devereux, John T. O'Brien, 'l'. Thoniely, T.
D'Eyncourt, T. O'Connell, John Wawn, J. T.
Duncan,_ George O'Connell, M. J. Willcox, Brodie
F, x, W. J. OTlaherty, Anthony Wyld, James

araitan,yenry Osborne, Ralph

Greene, John

Pearson, Charles

TELLERS.

Ilastie, Alexander Pilkington, James Fagan, William
lleywood, James Power, Nicholas Reynolds, John

MAJORITY-NOES, 72.

Acland, Sir T. Elliot, John E. Napier,"Joseph
Adderley, C. B. Ferguson, Sir R. Newdegate, C. N.
Alexander, N. Filmer, Sir E. Ogle, S. C.
Archdall, Captain forbes, W. Paget, Lord A.
Bagshaw, John Granby, Marquis of Palmerston,
Barin, Sir I'. Grenfell, Charles W. Parker, John

Baring, Thomaz Grey, Sir G. Patten, W.
Bourke, Richard S. Grogan, Edward Rich, Henry

, . .
Boyd, John
Hale, lt. B. . Somerville, Sir W.
Bramston, T' W. Hamilton, G. A. Sotheron, T. H. S.
Brooke, Sir A. B. Hamilton, Lord C. Stafford, A.
_ _ .

Carter, J. B. Hawes, B. Stanley, Edward
Cavendish, C. C. Hay, Lord John 1 ownley, R. G.
Cavendish, G. 11. Henley, J. W. Tyrell, Sir J.
Chichester, Lord J. Hobhouse, T. 11. Yesey, Hon. T.
Christy, Samuel Hodgson, W. N. Vivian, J. E.
Cole, lion. 11. A. Hope, A. Watkins, Colonel
Corry, Henry Jervis, Sir John Willoughby, Sir H.
Deedes, W. Keppel, G. T. Wilson, James
Dick, Quintin Lascelies, W. S. Wodehouse, E.
Duncui t, John Lewis, George C: Wood, Sir Charles
Dundas, Admiral Lockhart, W. Young, Sir John
Dridas, G. Maule, Fox TELLER'S.
Ebrington, Viscount Maxwell, J. P. - Hill, Lord Manual
Edwards, Henry Mostyn, E. M. Grey, Ralph W.

TO THE SECRETARY OF THE
METROPOLITAN REFORM ASSOCIATION.

Sir,—On Monday the 26th the chief debate was
on what is called " the Rate in Aid," and was finally
adjourned. This is a Bill for laying a rate, not to
extend to more than sixpence in the pound, on the
Poor .Rates collected or collectible in the solvent
Unions in Ireland, for the assistance of the insolvent.
Its tendency seems to be to approach to making the
whole one Union ' • and according as the mode of levy-
ing the rates is good or bad, would appear to be the merits
of the process. One thing may be held almost certain
—that the pressure will NI on the plorer and middle
classes, more than on the rich. But this is an evil,
like man's mortality, hardly to be complained of un-
less there were some chance of altering it. And our
chances of seeing it altered are indeed so small, and
so dependent upon changes of which hardly the be-
ginnings can be said to be at present seen, that sub-
mission seems to be the virtue in immediate demand.

On Tuesday a long debate on the opposition pur-
porting to proceed from the Cape of Good Hope, to
the introduction of convicts there. The mover, if he
was not misunderstood, started with demanding a
very unreasonable concession, which was that the
wants of what is called the mother country should be
kept out of the question. Now crime is very much
like cholera or fever, a thing produced to the greatest
extent in dense populations, and for which the mode of
riddance, in modern ideas, is to disperse. There was a
time when the notion the public had of dealing with
"plague or any common sickness," was to compress
it and try into what it could be sublimed. And some-
thing like the same was the notion of dealing with
crime, with reservation always of the great outlet our
ancestors secured by the operations of the hangman.
But since these opinions are obsolete, crime
like plague must be diluted. It is very
probablteratnhsafetrenncoe vicinage
rttiohninok;
the itscelaoftas
favouredlTcho
by the .
lera or of its crime. But it does not therefore abso-
lutely follow that the thing is not to be done. Still
less can it be conceded that the wants of the metro-
polis are to be held as nothing in the discussion.
There may be considerable apprehension of the
existence of party or political feelings in these repre-
sentations on the part of the residents at the Cape.
One thing they are stated as saying, is, that
they have particular objections to receive Irish
who have been transported in consequence of the late
attempt at rebellion. Now this is the objection of
an Orangeman, and not of a colonist simpliciter. It
is part and portion of the same feeling which pro-
duced the appeals to Parliament on the good treat-
ment of the prisoner Mitchel. Or at all events it is
what people will think so. It is matter of history,
that among convicts the Irish convict is always
the best, and the Scotch the worst; a fact,
under the difference of circumstances, equally cre-
ditable to both countries. It is inconceivable there-
fore that a Cape colonist, whether Boor or Briton,
should be nice in demanding of an Irish labourer if
he wants him, his opinions upon Repeal, or the pre-
cise particulars under which he fell into the hands of
the police and thence of the judge and jury. This is
not nature ; and consequently will be held for art.
It seems likely to become a question, whether the
roguish population will not run away with the honest.
No likelier mode of promoting it could be devised,
than cutting off the chances of spreading the mis-
chief wide and thin, and forcing the country to
maintain accumulated lazar-houses of crime at home.
The motion was finally withdrawn. The House
afterwards went into the subject of Ministers' Money.
This, in the sister country, is the sister question to
that of Church Rates here. The subject was met by
the Government with the Previous Question; which
at one in the morning was carried by 72 against 44.
I am, Sir, your obedient servant,
AN OLD REFORMER.
London, March 28, 1849.

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