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the opinion of one military man? There was no military
man in the Cabinet ; so that these fortresses were to be
razed, which had been erected at the expence of British
blood and British treasure, and the whole frontier laid
open, without one military man having been called upon
for his opinion. Did the Noble Duke—even the Post"
mater General, who was, he believed, the only individual
in the Cabinet who was a military man—did he give anY,
opinion on the subject ? If he remembered the scene
valour he had witnessed, and the feats of gallantry be
had shared, he could but have seen with sorrow and regret
those fortresses given up, which it had cost England O
much to establish. And for what purpose were they give°
up? Only to put all the interests of other countries at the
mercy of France, There was no other Power which had on
interest in dismantling them. If Belgium had been too Went'
to defend them, she might have applied for assistance ;110,
she done so ? He believed not ; and no application ha°,
been made either by Belgium or Holland. Having disposed
of the question as far as these fortresses were concerned,
he would make a few observations respecting the Belgian
negociation and the manifesto of the King of Holland. llt
appeared that the conference, after it proceeded to cone!'
der the question of separation between Holland and Bel-
gium, by the 11th and 12th protocols, it decided upon
some positive arrangements, and declared unanimously that
these resolutions and arrangements were irrevocable. The
19th protocol confirmed these arrangements, and declared
even more strongly that they should be considered irrevell
cable. The Noble Marquis quoted the protocol at solve
length, to shew that the conference had decided that they'
had unanimously agreed to these bases. They came t°
this resolution in the llth and 12th protocols, and before
the end of the month they came to another unalterable de:
cision. What happened, then, to bring this about.'
Placed in a disagreeable situation, the King of flollana,.
acceded to the conditions, and gave his entire consent to
the 11th and 12th protocols, and to the determination U
the conference as confirmed by the 19th protocol. Wl'
land, then, acquiesced in these arrangements, and nothing
was more plain than the course we then had to pursue'
As mediating Powers, who had established a basis of Ile
gociations, we had nothing to do but go straight forward'
If we could not do the, we ought to have washed one
hands of it. At least it was not to be expected we should
support the rebellious party, and force the consenting party
to agree to new conditions. Was there justice in that
proceeding ? Could the Noble Earl justify that? W 0
this the course his Majesty's Government thought lice,
nourable and proper? Belgium was obstinate and
would yield nothing; but Holland, which did yield to
the terms of the conference, was forced to comply witil
nsw articles and new arrangements made in favour
Belgium by Commissoners sent by France, who came t°
London after Lord Ponsonby was recalled to London.
This took place after the conference had stated that the
arrangements load been unanimously agreed to and Poi'
tively adopted. There was then a necessity for making
the King of Holland acquainted with the new concessionn
demandeci of her, and it was requisite to send semebodYt
to the Hague. He rejoiced that this message was 0°
confided to a British Ambassador. The arraneemenlj
were of as unfair a character as possible, and his Noble
Friend, Baron Weissenburg, was sent to wheedle, el
and cajole the King of Holland into giving his assent, anj
persuade him to abandon what he had before afire
to, and to induce him to depart from the eighteen 10's';
urinary articles. It was very natural, that when t°
King of Holland received this new communication, L,
b 'e
should be very indignant, and it was very natural that
should resolve not to adopt it. The Noble Marquis tilej,t
referred to the manifesto published by the King of WI
land, to show that the King of Holland was indignant °,
being required to change his views after having first
his consent to the 1 Ith and 12th protocols, which We
declared to be irrevocable. The King closed his Onto?
festo by declaring that he preferred an appeal to arms
complying with these new new demands.—(Hear,
So much for the justice of the case. It was said Or
Holland was to blame for breaking the armistice'
but Holland had defended herself.—(Hear.) The Noll
Marquis then referred to the speech of the Put‘
Minister of Foreign Affairs to the States- General, as
iti
proof that Holland was justified in her proceedings, lot
oath taken by the King of Belgium precluded the Ringt
Holland from accepting the conditions. Never, said
Noble M ot (pis, was there an independent Power so treat
and ground down ; and the Noble Earl was called on
answer the charge of having treated the King of Hollan
ouroldest and best ally, in a moat unjust and unfair rts°l
ner. He wished to ask the Noble Earl what was our pr
sent situation ? There was a nominal King and a nod
kingdom, but not one point had been adjusted.
ference had made King Leopold, and could no
in that unsettlel state.—(Hear, hear.) That.
Prince was placed in a most unfortunate situation
could not contemplate the present state of this
alarm. Would the Noble Earl maintain this sta,
by force ? Would he allow France to reduce
obedience, and subject that willing Power, whi
gociations Belgium hail lent an unwilling ea!
Was that justice ? He had a few words mo
the last part of that drama. King Leopold, wio
that the King of Holland was going to invad,
applied immediately to France, and France •
sent 50,000 men into Belgium. Was that a fu!
of France ? Was there such haste that a coo
could not be first made to the Noble Earl ? at
his fiat be waited for because the emerges
great ? Why, Belgium load 4,000,000
Holland load only 2,000,000. Good God !
the King not wait—why wan such brew
used ? He called on the Noble Earl to say w;
ference thought of this? But at present Free
50,000 men into Belgium, and that was out
sition. Were the days of Charles the Second
and were we to be again united with France
ruin Holland, not, as then, from pecuniary o
because it was for the interest, and done undo
ence of France? There wes not one of ouo
since the peace of Westphalia who had not look(
great policy of this country as consisting in ma;
integrity and independence of Holland. Now
load got into Belgium, would the Noble Et!
out ? The Perier Ministers might be turned
row. and might be succeeded by the War
would the Noble Earl then rely upon their
might, but certainly be (the Marquis of
would nut. This country was placed in the gre
pardy by allowing France even temporarily to occuPY
glum. Ile supposed the question was under discussin
the conference at London, awl the conference might.
that the French troops should retire, but would they '
ply ? That tie King of Holland would consent t°
arrangements thus sought to be imposed on hint bet
not .believe, liar did he think it right that that I‘l°°l
should have such conditions imposed on him. Iljej
thus, he looped, made out a case why their Lon
should consent to grant the papers for which lie owl
move, and by which he should be able to substantiate e
the facts, which he load now only stated from docn°l
to which all Europe had access. He hoped that bet
said nothing to induce their Lordships to believe eb;
did not desire peace ; he did; but he declared sole,
that he would net tide it on in the unsatisfactory spas
of truckling and yielding and bowing to I'raliel
order to avoid the contingency of war.—(lleare v
He load fortunately heard lois Illustrious Friend (the
of Wellington) say that England, though not di`p°'it
war, was as capable, as willing to enter intoo
our honour and her interests demanded it.—(Heart
That, too, was his opinion, and God forbid that the
lish should tide it on at the will of France merelY tllO
war. We ought to take up a bolder tone, al"I
Pt ussia, and Austria would also then take a Whist
which they could not while we were so humble.
was the state of France formerly and now? WithAigi
in the possession of Greece, in the possession of
of Lisbon, perhaps iu possession of the Portugue!teh
in possession of the fortresses of Belgium, and wldl
thousand men interfering between that country an
land—with France in such a situation, the Noble Pat
ceived himself if he hoped to controul her by suhr`iiil
He charged the Noble Earl here—(A laugh
ing produced this state of things, and he felt On' or
spectable part of the public would require so ve
to these statements. If his motion placed the, h
Earl in an unpleasant situation, be had himself tan
for it, and would have avoided it had he given bin'
to the questions he had asked a few days before)
Noble Marquis concluded by moving an horrabl_at
to his Majesty, fox copies, or extracts of all tbe Pciroi
luting to the negotiations on Belgium and 11°,01
far as the same could now be produced, without
the public.
Earl GREY felt all the responsibility of the ri
tions to which the Noble Earl load referred (i.)`be•
used throughout the speech the English title of 'ref
quis of Londonderry—Earl Vane—and constantU,
to him as the Noble Earl.) He felt the hee'lY ones
responsibility of these trensactimes, aad that resPtios
he should be prepared to meet at the proper tier
from that he should certainly not flinch. But en'
oee responsibility he would not take on bini,oo.l
degree, that of the long speech of the N0b1e,,.„(
for that he florist himself be wholly responsilneo
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hear.) lie should be very sorry had he been Aisis
in his duty as a Minister, or in courtesy aS
that House, as to have given an 'nipper 3,1180
Noble Lord ; but provoked us he to fight

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