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PAL ACE COURT (WESTMINSTER) BILL.
Lord D. STUART moved the committal of the Palace
Court (Westminster) Bill.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he had told his
Noble Friend, over and over again, that the Bill which
ho had brought in ou this subject, and which stood for a
second reading to-morrow, would abolish altogether the
court from which his Noble Friend proposed by the
present Bill to remove causes. Under these circum-
stances, if his Noble Friend persevered, he should move
that the Bill be committed that drty six months.
Lord DUDLEY STUART observed that the lion.
and Learned Gentleman seemed to think that when he
opened his mouth no dog might bark.—(Laughter.) His
Hon. and Learned Friend boasted of having brought in
his Bill, but he did not at ail events do so till he (Lord
Dudley Stuart) brought in his own. The object of the
Bill was to get rid of an intolerable nuisance—to remove
cases from a close court to an open one. He accused his
Hon. and Learned Friend and the Government of dilato-
riness, and he thought it reflected no credit upon them
that they should have allowed such a place as the Palace
Court to remain so long—(" Hear, hear," " Divide," and
various noises indicative of great impatience.) Hon.
Gentlemen might be impatient, but the country was
more impatient to get rid of this nuisance. It ho car-
ried on his Bill would it prevent the Attorney-General
from carrying on his Bill also? Not at all. But
if anything should hinder the Attorney-General
from carrying his—should he chance his mind
from any cause, his (Lord Dudley Stuart's)
Bill would go a great way, if not the entire way,
to remedy the grievance of the Palace Court. He did
not mean any disrespect to his Hon. and Learned Friend
or the Government, but he put very little faith in the
assurances of Government.—(Greet laughter and
cheers.) Ile did not think that they ever gave an assu-
rance that they did not mean to fulfil, but he had had
such experience of their infirmity of purpose—(Re-
newed laughter and cheers)—that he did not put implicit
confidence in their assurances. The burnt child feared
the fire. He was sure there were no more honourable
gentlemen in private life in any country than the mem-
bers of the present Government. But as a Government,
in their collective capacity, it was quite a different thing.
—(Roars of laughter, and cheers from the Opposition
benches.) He had known Government give assurances
and not fulfil them. He had known them give assurances
of their intention to bring in a Bill—bring it in, read it
a first and second time, and then at a late hour of the
night, abandon it.—(" Name, name.") He would give
chapter and verse.—("No," "Name," and ":Divide.") The
present Government did it only last year—in the year
1848, They undertook to bring in a Bill to relieve
the metropolis from a great burden of police
rate. Official letters were written to every
parish in the county of Middlesex. The Bill was
brought in, it received a first and second reading,
and was then abandoned. And how did he know that
something of the kind might not happen to this Palace
Court Bill? Until he heard some better reason than had
yet been offered, he should persevere with his own Bill;
and he thought it would not do his Hon. and Learned
Friend much credit if he were to put a spoke in the
wheel of it.
Captain PECHELL said that his Noble Friend bad
given the House a proof that the Attorney-General, if
he attempted to gag, bad certainly not muzzled him.—
(Laughter and cheers.) The Noble Lord's Bill was
before the House. The Attorney-General's was not. They
could judge of the one; they knew nothing of the other;
and under such circumstances ho thought his Noble
Friend was
,justified in persevering.
Mr. BROTHER rON moved the adjournment of the
debate.
Mr. J. A. SMITH was sincerely anxious to promote
the Noble Lord's Bill, but he was still more anxious to
promote the Bill which the Attorney-General had pro-
mised. He therefore trusted that the Noble Lord would
consent to put off his for a few days.
Lord D. C. STUART finally consented, and the de-
bate was adjourned to Monday next, Mr. Brotberton
having withdrawn his motion.
PROTECTION OF WOMEN BILL.
Mr. SPOONER moved the second reading of this Bill.
Colonel SAL WEY moved the ajournment of the de-
bate; and said that when the Hon. Gentleman who had
charge of the Bill recollected that when it was intro-
duced it was so badly drawn that aliuost any sehool.b,iy
could frame a better one—when he remembered that the
Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home
Department said that it was one that if passed in its
then condition would bring disgrace upon the legislation
of the c )untry—and when he recollected that he had
himselt admitted its want of extensive am"ndment—he
cou'd not be surprised that, much as he (Colonel Salvfey)
wished to see the object and intentions of the promoters
of the measure carried into execution, he was justified in
opposing one so ill framed. What he wanted to see was
a perfect Bill, and he should, therefore, move the ad-
journment of the debate.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment 29
Against it ... •.. ... 52
Majority ... ..• ... —23
Mr. MILNER Gni-SON said, it was most unreason
able, after what had taken place, that the Hon. Member
(Mr. Spooner) should persist in going on with the Bill
The Attorney-General had described to them what the
imperfections of the Bill were, and until the House was
aware of the amendments to be proposed to rectify those
imperfections, he thought the Bill should not be pro-
ceeded with. He hoped, therefore, the Hon Member
would give time to consider the amendments which he
intended to propose; and unless he did so he (Mr. M.
Gibson), although he did not wish to give any factious
opposition to the Bill, would move the adjournment of
the debate.
Mr. HENRY BERKELEY had voted last night with
the Hon. Member for Warwickshire, but he must say
that it behoved that Hon. Member to keep the promise
which he had made to the Attorney-General, that he
would introduce such alterations into the measure as
would make it a practicable one.—(Rear.) The Bill had
been described as a mere farce of legislation, and he did
trust that until it was made more perfect it would not be ,
proceeded with.
Sir GEORGE GREY said it was not usual to pro-
pose amendments to a Bill until after the second read-
ing, and when the Bill went into Committee, when alone
the opportunity would be afforded to the Hon. Member
for Warwickshire to prop )se his amendments.
Mr. TLIORNELY thought the Bill was so inefficient
in its present state that the House could not well proceed
with it.
Mr. SPOONER really hoped, after what had fallen
from the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for
the Home Department, the House would consent to the
second reading of the Bill, as the amendments which be
proposed to introduce could only be made in Committee;
and considering the period of the session, and the little
chance there was of the measure being carried if it was
delayed, he trusted Hon. Members would at once con-
sent to the second reading.
Colonel RAWDON was of opinion that time should
be given to consider the amendments which were to be
proposed, the more especially as the Attorney-Gene-
ral's words, describing the defects of the Bill, were very

strong.
Mr. M. GIBSON said, as the Hon. Member for War-
wickshire persevered, he would move the adjournment
of the House.
The SPEAKER said, the Right Hon. Gentleman
could not do so, as he had already spoken.
Mr. A. HASTIE would, therefore, inJve the adjourn-
ment.
Mr. W. PATTEN hoped they would not adjourn the
House.
The House divided, when there appeared:—
Ayes ..• 22
Noes ..• ... 53
Majority . . ••• —3l
On our return to the gallery,
Lord DUNCAN was addressing the House, and ob-
serving that no one appeared to b.l opposed to the prin-
ciple of the Bill, but many Hon. Members were desirous
of being made acquainted with the nature of the amend-
ments before they allowed it to be read a second time.
Mr. SPOONER, atter making a few observations,
consented to adjourn the debate to Wednesday next.
The debate was adjourned accordingly.
Lord ASHLEY obtained leave to bring in a Bill for
giving effect to certain provisional orders to the General
Board of Health; and also a Bill to effect certain amend-
ments in the Nuisances Removal and Diseases Preven-
tion Act.
An HoN. MEMBER here called the attention of the
Speaker to the fact that there were not forty Members
present.
The House was counted, and, there being only thirty-
eight Members in their places, the House adjourned at
Quarter to Two o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY OATHS BILL

HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 26.
The following is the list of the Majority on the Second
Reading of this Bill :
AUCIIITISIIOP. Haddington : Carlisle
Canterbury Kianoull Chichester
DUKES. Longford Exeter
Buckingham, Lonsdale Gloucester
Buccleuch Lucan Oxford
MOntrosa Mansfield Rochester
Newcastle Malmesbury Salisbury
Wellington Munster BISONS.
MARQUISES. Morton Abinger
Ansa Nelson Bayning
Downshire Pomfret Boston
Drogheda rows Bolton
Exeter RoSse Braybrooke
Ely Roden Colchester
Clarina
Salisbury Romney
EARLS. Selkirk Crewe
Abergavenny Sheffield De Lisle
Aylesford Stradbroke De Ros
Aberdeen Shaftesbury Delamere
Bandon Talbot Farnham
Beauchamp Verulam FevershaM
Cadogan Warwick Kenyon
Courtoun Wilton Kilinaine
Darnley Wine Wise a Lilford
Dartmouth Waldegrave Polwarth
Desart VISCOUNTS. Rayleigh
Egmont Combermere Redesdale
Ellenborough Hill Itolle
Eglinton Middleton Sandys
Effingham Strangford Skelmersdale
Fahnouth Sydney Sondes
Glengall BTSOOFS. Southampton
Galloway Bath and Wens
WStanleynford
Harewood Bangor y
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ANNIVERSARY OF HER MAJESTY S CORONATION.—
Yesterday, bring the eleventh an: ivrsary. of her Ma,
jesty's coronation, the usual salutes were fired from the
St. James's-park and Tower guns.
DETERMINED SlllClDE.—Yesterday morning, shortly
after twelve o'clock, a woman resking in Bedtord-court,
Covent-garden, committed suicide by hanging herself.
From what we gathered on the spit, it appeared that the
deceased had for some days past Li, en getting intoxicated,
and yesterday, having procured a small bsll of string, she
went into her bedroom, and suspended herself to the bed-
post. One of her children, a little girl, noticing that
her mother was longer upstairs than usual, alarm, d the
neighbours, who, upon repairing to the room, cut her
dawn, when, upon exambiatkv, life WAS found to be
extinct.

THE REPRESENTATION OF THE
CITY OF LONDON.
Yesterday evening, at six o'clock, a meeting of the
central and district committees of the Liberal electors of
the city of London was held at the Hall of Commerce,
Threadneedle-street, for the purpose of receiving and
considering a communication from Baron Lionel Roths-
child, with reference to the Parliamentary Oaths Bill.
Among those present were—Mr. J. A. Smith, M.P., Mr.
H. A. Aglionby, M.P., Sir De Lacy Evans, M.P. Mr. F.
Goldt:raid, Mr. J. J. Francis, Baron Rothschild, Sir A.
Rothschild, Mr. W. Pritchard, Mr. 11. Bennoch, Mr. H.
F. Atkinson, Mr. Somers Harford, Mr. R. Selomons, Mr.
W. J. Hall, Dr. Simpson, Mr. D. W. Wire, Mr. W. Wil-
son, Mr. Effingham Wilson, eec.
The meeting was a very crowded, influential, and en-
thusiastic one ; and the proceedings throughout were
characterised by the greatest unanimity and harmony.
On the motion of Mr. HALL, Mr. J. A. Smith was'
called to take the chair.
Mr. J. A. Sewn' then rose and said that he felt it a
very high honour to occupy the chair on that occasion,
not so much in reference to the particular object of the
present meeting—that of placing his valued friend Ba-
ron Lionel Rothschild in the House of Commons, as
representative of this great city, but because he
felt it must be an object worthy of the ambition of
any man to have his name connected with an
election, the result of which he did not believe himself
very sanguine in declaring, would be to overthrow,
wipe out, and destroy the last vestiges of religious
intolerance.—(Loud cheers.) He should be ashamed of
himself if he could occupy them for a moment longer
with reference to himself, but he could not help thank-
ing them for the honour they had done him. They
were aware that the object of the meeting was to receive
a communication from Baron Rothschild; and when be
sat down he would call on him to state the reasons which
had induced him to convene the meeting, his conduct
and motives during the past, and his intentions for the
future. But before the Baron rose he thought it right
to him, and due to the meeting, to trouble them very
shortly with the details of the various steps which had
marked the progress in their recent contest in Parlia-
ment. He did so, both that they might understand the
conduct of their late representative, and that they might
know how prudently and cautiously, and at the same
time perseveringly and zealously, he had tried to carry
out their and his own wishes with reference to his seat
in Parliament.—(Cbeers.) They were aware that last
year a Bill was introduced into Parliament to enable
gentlemen holding the Jewish faith to enter Parliament
without having tendered to them an oath which they
could not take if they were honest and conscientious
men.—(Hear.) They were also aware that it passed the
House of Commons, and was rejected in the House of
Lords. Upon that rejection Baron Rothschild called
his friends together, at a meeting held at the London
Tavern, at which he (Mr.. Smith) had the honour to
preside as chairman. The Baron stated what had oc-
curred, and asked for advice and direr ions as to his
future proceedings. The result was a resolution which
he would take the liberty of reading. It was unani-
mously resolved,
That this meeting is of opinion that Baron Rothschild,
M.P., should present himself to the House of Commons,
and demand to be received as Member for the city of
London; and that he should take all constitutional means
for asserting his rights, privileges, and qualifications, as
a Member, and for vindicating the principles of civil and
religious liberty."
Subsequently Lord J. Russell, in his place, gave notice
of a new Bill in reference to Parliamentary oaths, and
this notice so given was considered by all the friends of
Baron Rothschild, without exception, as a conclusive
reason why he should not go to the table and demand to
be received as a Member, in the hope that such a step
would be successful. The Bill, however, was cut short
by the termination of the session, and proceedings were
in abeyance until shortly before the meeting ce Parlia-
ment this year, when Baron Rothschild again called his
friends togw her and asked for instructions ; or rather,
ho wrote a letter, stating that he had recived a draft
of the Bill intended to be introduced at the beginning of
the session, and asking for their opinion arid advice. A
very large and influential meeting took place in conse-
quence on the 31st of January, at which, owing to his
accidental detention in Paris, lie (Mr Smith) was unable
to be present, and at which resolutions were carried with
which they were all acquainted. Lord J. Russell, a few
deys after the meeting of Parliament, introduued the best
of all the measures which had been proposed on the sub-
ject that he (Mr. Smith) tal yet seen. They had had
the satisfaction of seeing this Bill pass through the
House of Commons with increasing majorities—increas-
ing not only in nuruhr rs, but in the greater intelligence
of those who voted. In this respect there had been in
the House of Commons a remarkable advance; and he
must not forgot to pay a tribute to that young man who
made the best first speech he ever heard in Parliament—
Mr. F. Peel—and who began that night a career which,
if he (Mr. Smith) was not greatly mistaken, would not
be second in usefulness or distinction to that run by his
most able father. There was one circumstance con-
nected with the debate this year which every one must
have observed—the weakness, the apathy, and the
worthlessness of the opposition which was off,red to their
measure. There were many most excellent, worthy
men to be found in the minority, but he did not think
there ever was a great and important subject in which
the speeches of the Opposition werecharacterised by such
a contemptible want of argument. Not one new posi-
tion had been urged; the old stale arguments were ad-
dueed, and the friends of the great cause of religious
liberty had every reason to be proud at the result of
those debates.—(Cheers.) The fate of the Bill, how-
ever, had not been the same in the House of Lords; and,
however deep his mortification and disappointment might
be at the course taken by that body in thus setting
themselves in deliberate opposition to the House or
Commons and the great mass of the people, he unequivo-
cally- admitted that they had only exercised their con
stitutional right in throwing out the Parliamentary
Oaths Bill. It was their place and in their power, it
they so chose, to interpose delay and obstacles to the
passing of measures which they disapproved; but it was
a constitutional right of the people, as indespensable
and as dear, to do what in them lay to compel by tempe-
rate but determined conduct the adoption of measures to
which they were attached.—(Loud cheers.) It was
with that view and that object they were there asses
bled; and he believed he was giving utterance to the
feelinus of the meeting, no less than to his own, when
he said that they intended to send back Baron
Rothschild to claim the right of discharging those
duties in the House of Commons which they
thought him preeminently entitled to exercise.
—(Loud cheers.) He telt it right to explain the
temperate manner in which the Baron had acted, and to
show them that, attached as he was to the place in which
they had put him—proud as he was of the honour they
had conferred on him—he had nevertheless resigned it
into their hands, because he felt he ought not, without
their deliberate and express decision, retain any longer
the representation of the city of London.—(Cheers.)
That Baron Rothschild was right in doing so no one
would deny; but he (Mr. Smith) was sure that they were
not the men to allow him to suff r on account of that
delicacy of opinion which had guided his conduct, and
which brought him there again to go through the ordeal
of a City election.—(Cheers.) He had no doubt of the
result of that election, and that it would confirm him in
the affections of the electors of the city of L eadon. His
belief was that, if Baron Rothschild went back again to
Parliament with the seal of their approbation upon him,
bigots as there might be in the House of Lords, there
were few amoug them who would hesitate to admit that
the merest prudence would dictate to them in the next
session of Parliament an obedient concession to the
wishes of the city of London —(Cheers.) Mr. Smith
concluded by calling on Baron Rothschild to address the

meeting.
Baron ROTHSCHILD, who was received in the most en
thu-iastie manner. seid—Gentlemen, I thank you sin
cerely for this kind reception, and for h tying responded
so kindly to the invitation to meet me here to-day. M,)
friend \lr. Smith, your chairman, has entered at some
length into the details of my proceedings.—(Laud
cheers.) You must excuse me, gentlemen, if lam rather
excited, after receiving from such a number of friends, as
I have to-day, so many marks of attention and kindness.
—(Cheers.) It is very natural that I should feel more
agitated, under the circumstatices, than if I were address-
ing you in an ordinary election, or than, perhaps, as the
representative of so great a city, I ought to do. I, how-
ever, throw myself on your kindness.—(Loud cheers.)
Mr. Smith has entered into a lengthened explanation of
our affairs, and he has stated them so fully that it will
be only necessary for me to make a few remarks to you.
As he has already told you, on the 31st of January last
I had the honour of addressing a great many whose face.
I now have the pleasure of seeing before me. It was then
agreed that a committee should be appointed to take the
lead, and guide my steps as to the representation of this
great city. We then discussed that question fully. We
I have thought of the consequences of every step
which might have been . taken under the circum-
stances. We have well weighed the importance and the
duty that exist as to the manner in which you first re
commended me to proceed—namely, to present myself at
the table of the House of Commons. We have well
weighed the consequences of that advice, and to the step
which I have now taken; and without entering into de-
tails, my friends, as well as the friends of civil and reli-
gious liberty, which we are now advocating, are unani
mously of opinion that I ought to adopt the course that
I have now taken.—(Cheers.) It was their advice, as it
was my own opinion, that without loss of time I ought
to resign the trust which you had reposed in me
(Cheers.) If I had not been so fully aware of your kind
feeling towards me, I should not have been so bold as to
have done this without first consulting you; but I was
aware that this c tate of civil and religious liberty which
we have advocated for own interests, was not the prin•
cipal reason of your supporting me, but that you are
now called on to decide it you are to be dictated to in the
choice of the person who is to be your representative.—
(Loud cheers.) I was fully aware that everything which
regarded the political state of the Jews was at stake, but
I relied on the assistance which we were certain to re-
ceive from you. who also have at the present moment, I
will pot say so large a stake as ours, but, nevertheless,
a' very great stake. The decision you came to at the
last election has been cenfirmed now twice by the House
of Commons by very large majorities; and, I may say has
been supported on every occasion by. men who had not
voted on former divisions.—(Hear, hear.) In
.looking
throuch the list you will find we have considerably
gained in talent as well as in numbers ; and if (though
I will not attribute it to the fault of any one that it was
so) we had been more
larger division than we actually had on the last occa don.
—([Tear, heir.) fortunate we should have had a
But it is sufficient that our Bill has
passed the House of Commons in two consecutive ses-
sions. . The [louse of Lords, as our chairman observed
are entitled to express their opinions, and to throw out
this Bill if they think
proper. They have only acted
according to the. Constitution, as they hare done on wore
important occasions before now, for it is only when fully
made acquainted with public opinion that they yield.—
,
(Lieu, hear.) The Members of the /louse of /4ordo are