The Sun.
London, England, 1807-07-01 00:00:00

How v.nexanvled wa hk inconsistency, who,.
11:kb ,44.ifiCda hat- refrained trenn
putting into exccutipn thoineasurt,..4vltich he befOre
advis...d. wislifd to know tvtiv the Right Firm.
Gentleman would ifteet Owner, who,
4,4,0rf
during the lastParliarnent; had petitioned the House, -;
and stated the lamentable.eondition of the Shipping
Interest, in consequence, as they declared, of the
"iinspeiiSiefi "trelcii-iitatiOn Alt ; when., Since his
coining into power, not .onts tittle of tlitiTatitin had-
talien place, either in the Navigation Aft, or in tho 1.
Cpionial Systein concluded hy moving, that f
there be laid, Wine the I-loae an Account of the I
innxiber of ,British and: of foreign Vessels. cmplored
the ,Britisit Trade, for the three years ending the.
stlt of January, 1807, showing the number of lies-
tons, and .Men, entered inwards, and cleated
;out wards, in each year. ' I

-111 r.. ROSE had; no. objeetion to the motion, but
hot conceive .what a6t.of the laSt Government •
,haee Operated .on the commerce. of last, year.
`74l(the' commerce of last year had been benefited, it
by the measures of the preceding
'Administration'. Hon. :Friend of hiS had
-beettasked,. whether it was intended toTrepose the,
repeal of tlot .American Intercourse ? Did it fol
low, that because'a measure was Objettedto on being.
`propoied, that, atter its adoption it ought: to. be re-
pealed t It was a different thing to oppose a law be-
fre it. was made, and to repeal it when made. While
the Bill .was pending, he thought it,would be highly!
mischievous ; in that opinion he was' confirmed. It
gave the Americans such advantages, that the British:
6hippitig Were almost driven out Of the Trade. The
Ship Owners, who had petitioned the House in the.
last Parliament, Were a most respectable body. He
had had great intercourse with commercial . men all,
over the kingdom, and he never heard a single voice
against theM.
Lord HOWICK defended hislfon. Vriend from
the imputation of, baying treated the Ship Owners
with cOntempt, He was convinced that no one-telt
more strongly their importance. What he asserted
was,• that their 'Petition .proceeded on erroneous ap-
prehensions. The Right, Hon. Gentleman who, had
just sat down, deciared,.-that, the American Inter,
course Bill had produced'all the pernicious et efts
which hts:bad predited; and,' iu tine same breath,
he declared, that he 'had no intention of moving for
its repeal. Now, no man was more anxious than,
he to cultivate a good understanding with Ameri-
ca ; but if his sentimeuts on any A.(1..1 of Parliament
were such as those entertained, by the .Right Hon.
Gentleman,. lie should think ,himself highly culpable
in hesitating one moment to propose ifs repeal ' • let
the Americans think of it what they might'. But
shorter process than the repeal would oiled the ob,
Jed in the present instance. The Bill had been
brought in 10 enable the King in Council to do that.
'by law,' which had been done without law by
the C-overnors. of the. West India Islands. To •
,prevent the operation of. the
.$11„, therefore, all'
that was Accessary was, to sespend the Order in
.Council. Had this been done, notwithstanding the
Misebief which'was sat-ouch talked of? But Allis was
one of those unfounded charges which the Gentle-
men opposite: thought it convenient to 'make before-
th*.**Oon co" power; it was' similar to the
.asl;
'sertion, that the Order in Contiocil which followed
the French Decree.of the 2 at of November, was,
inadequate to its purposes. Why had, not the' King
'been ativiaed by his present Ministers to render that
Order more 'adequate ? Did 'not the French Decree'
still exist ? Was not the power of eranee to entbrce
it at least equal ? God grant that it might not be
greater. ,

Mr. ftosc,explained, So fir from having, advised
the discontinuance of the Order in Council, in the -
present relative situation of this country
,lind
he would recommend itisepetition.
The .:CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQI.I.kIi,
while he continued to lament that the French Deeree,
had,' not • been , Met more adequatelf, ),(4.
'that:
it did not follow, .because it woeld have, been
wise antiprudent to have resisted that Decree in the `
first instance more firmly, that at this distant period.'
ofrtinse., and under .ditfcrent circumstances, , any, itt-
consistency attached to those who declined any fut.
therProceeding.
.4aid, that the Ship Owners had
:expressed, ,their dissatisfaction at the Commercial
Regulations of the -last Administration uninfittenced
by any party considerations. .
LordilloßATTY commented on the
,candour of
the'Righ.t Gentleman-opposite, when they bets
'orthe late 'Government were concerned. When his
'l.lont,Vriend.stated the increase of British Shipping
'during 'the last year, the Right /lon. Gentleman
that 'pjerease could pin
(mod so. soon from any ,measures of the late Admi.'
:nistrafion ; but when he came to. speak of the Anne- •
rif,an Intercourse
.A6t,.'he then Maintained,: that in
•theoshort. spaee of .six;months, the .most baneful .
eireaii• had ristilted- from it.
. Lori CdSTLEItE,A;IIoIccii., while the Treaty
,with Am-erica was pending, whether the policy.of
the. fineition Vas 8() open' to the decision .01 the pre-
sent Administration, as it «'S‘ to the late Admini-
stration r
• The CieIANCELLOR of. the EXClll:4l.ltit and Lord
FEawicicAlt,. CANNING defendettthe conduct of the pre.,
!sent' 'Administration, in abstaining from flay 411001
,chUtikde. .Hdpootem.ed, however, Ogainst, hem,6 sup-
posed a convert.to the system, of .the law Adrnini-
.straati:.' In his epinion, a more vigorotmand etier. '
getic mctisure aclopted ,on the proinulgallon of the',
brunch Bloikaoingaiciree,would have been highly;
beneficial. What had been done, as by all„halta
measures, all the inconveniencAes of a tiwaSureelfUll
extent had been sustained, and none' of the advan..
trigesofa-measine r.tf!ftill extent derived,
WHITIJIMA D repeated the arguments of
Lord Howick. and Lord Henry Tett) on this sub-
, je6te 'Right Hon. Gentleman talked R grelt.
deal idlout energy; he wished iie would hliew some int
•. action. In not athising ltia MAjesty L 0 dathot
v,:ut.ll(l eoriefa what he coneehed were the errnrs-nf
his tnt.,:tiveessori, the lion. Secictary acted
; hut tie confessed that this irroholution ut
pe tiorniancc was to be expected from those -who
bliihtored proloise.
.11/1, " I would rather be an injudi-
bhhicleringaccuser."
thoillit it. was nut too much try
(..111 +ill it- ministration tolrelleve , the Viu "11,11,1,
1r . : , lit. knue.iis under which they LiietilzwVtlS
laboured.

' ri
,-Ltr. LdlVßENCE'entered into' general defence
of in; isiturican Trrtaty Ilia. AUL jog Vthe reply.
of the . Hon. Secrvtay ttt Nil Ho- Fried t4e ab-
servedii-Alnit the lio*Sttcrehr) t 91141 berettfteT admit
that, 4ii! acquittal all' Noble Lori might
kitii.attri-
buti.xl.holely to the. iiiiintiers or higa-ccuser.-

. iitW words from Mr. I.llArritEw
GU E, EDEN'S Matiou ‘vas-aree.d to.

.111tEACI-1 OF PRIVILV.GE.

Mr. STIY.ROES BOURNE, rose to :complain of a
Breach of Privilege.- It was his inisfortune-to have,
'been compelletl yesterday evening to trouble the
liOnse with. an .acconnt• of ,thecalutunies and mis,-
representations to which for the lastpontlt lie had,
been subject: He had after Wards tife'satisfaaiOn of
receiving tom two Noble Lords .opposite d. complete
testimony of .the conviction 'Which they entertained.
of this bay 1-g been .*44stly, accused: The editor:
a certain Alurning'Paper had thought'fit
a report of what had ,pastted last night, in which, '
actuatedby the same spirit Of'fairness and-impartiali-
ty Which had lately distinguished him on this sub-
ject, he had absolutely suppresSed.everithina which
had been said.by the:two Noble Lords: ,He7(Mr. S:
Bourne); trusted he was as warm afriend to the
berty of the Press as any man, and he was'confident,..
that those, Who abUsed that liberty were the greatest.
enemies' to it. . therefOre, by no means his
wish te.impede the mode by which the proceedings
of-Parliament were communicated .to the' public.
He was aware, that if he entertained any vindi&iue
feeling against the person he alluded he might
move for.his being called to the Bar of that Hotse;
but he should content himself with stating, that
such proceeding 4 were repeated, if in What .passed
On all occasions, and More:especially. on an occasion
in which character and every thing, dear to. a man
were at 'stake, all, accusations were detailed; and'all
justification. withheld, he must .put in force the Or-.
ders of the House. . ,

Sir S, , ,'gave notice, that 'on Monday
se'nnight he would move for leave tQ bring in a Bill
to alter the Praetice' of Courts of Equity in cases in
which Members of Parliament were Defendants.
When a Member of Parliathent was a Defendant, he.
Was entitled to a copy of 'the Plaintiff's but
when a Member of Parliament was Plaintiff, he was
not obliged to give a copy of his bill to• the Defend-
ant. His object Was to abolish this distinCtion.

Mr. BAN iszs brought in the Bill for preventing the
grant of reversions,- &e.'--;-11.0acl a first time, and
ordered to be read a second time on Thursday.
..
Lord H. 'PETTY nioved for, and (after a fet.v4ririli
from Mr. Rose and Sir P. Murray) obtained leave to
bring in a Bill for the better regulation of the pay.,
mint and the remittance of-the revenue in Scotland. •
Mr. Witt..raaF.An postponed his notion on the
subje oi the Poor Laws, from Friday to Thursday
Seinnight. • • , .

MORTALITY AMONG OUR TROOPS IN. THE
• WEST INDIES. •

Mr. COCHR/INE JOHNSTONE called the at-
.
otention of the House to the dreadful 'mortality of
ourt coops iii the :West .Ii dies, the
causes to \c hI.AI, in hi 4 opinion, it was generally to
~
be attribu:ed—these were chiefly the want of air
the barracks, 210 their iMproper situation on the
coast. "Fie barracksinthe West India Islands had
no •ventilaturs, and en entering them the smell, ire
cOusequelice,.:was most:•Oftensive...it Was weltknown
that when the thermOmeter was under 83 degrees,
the yellow fever was Ilbr to be apprehended ; ...and it
was also well known, that the sea coast, where the
barratlts wl2re nattily bnilt;,'was con,ierably hotter
than the interior okhe Wands. 'A striking instance
of thisocctirred 'to 'himself :*--Ale had the'command
of a regimont, 1000 strong', ',quartered, on the coast of.
one of the West, India Isiandli In the 'month of
July the yellow. fever broke nut among them :in
4 weeks 5,50 toen-ditt.d,. He marChed the:remainder -
into the interior, and he had, the.satisfaCtion to find
that the ravaiggS,Of the disorder were completely sto}P'
pgd; lii the ,yettr t oi, no' less than 8000 of 'onr:';
troops died in the West Islands. A great. cause
Of the m'oilalhy was; that the British troops were
employed-in garrisons. ,-By abstaining from this prac—
tice; aid by adopting other rtgulations, lte Wa.i con-
vinced that the West- Inlia islands miglu.be inadc
as healthy as ;uly statiw ;11 hme. tie paintkl very
feelingly the drdadlin situation ut may of the Salo •
alterns in that Couptry,coopelleJ to subsist on :is. 84.'
a day ; and declared, that to the humanity* the,
women of colour many a British Otflcer owed his.
existence. When the ill health of' an -ofliciir
ci.tred him leave to retard nonie, it became
tir him tt.) raise fifty or sixty pounds to pay for
his Pissatle C. in. many cases, this was intpre.titbt. t.
hie,and it was. n etil.which ought.tohe.rern4l44:;
These observations were the unfortunate result
his eitperience for many'years, He had .'uo donht.
that the Noble. Lord wtto ?Nos .at the head.of the.
Colonial Department woUld pay every attention. to •
the,subjea'• pkit he hoped the House would appoint
a uormnittee to inquire' into Altep;e and to en-
deavour to tin& riteans, to counterael them. Were
they not connterkted,
,it would no better to v:ith-
draw every man of our army iron-) ,that country.--,s,
Ai a preliminary'sjep, he moved;- that Chore be laid
heron:, the Honse alt Account ot. the Mortality that:,
had taken place in the Trobps, sent to the West InT_
di&s; from the Ist Inittary) 1707, to ,the Ist of Jtt
'wary, 1867., distinguishing the Qifiqqrs from the
Privates; and specifying the names of the Officers.

NI 1%. 13 n Dui& n Rec&ndettthe Motion.

Lord eAsi' E'IIL ilG'H'dici eery justice to the,
motives of the Hon.-Gently:nail;
.but, however
portant the .subjed, he was rather inclined,to
. that it was not one' ori 'which A Coimnittee of *tire;;,
Llowie of Connuons • Was.-the body most quAiiiedlo.
prosecute an inquiry. In, his opinion,. it would Am,
bettet to.it!tiveit'.l9 the Exec:Wive Government, utb4,
Ica inclee:Vit WOS inipei.tect thax t4efwere
on, thoir posts, and inattentive,lo. a matter,ot
mot-mitt. The Pipers moved tbr by the.lionout'able
Officer Would not atford.iho,rtnfortwitioh WhiQh
desired. An account ofthenumberot -.deaths
troops selitotit convey. an undue imprelion..'
It should rittlie...r. he in ti e:troop4 whowere betviag-
Certaioly t here.was a st‘rnitg• i the public mind
of the treat mortality in thizy.triy in the'lVeNt'lndies.
F,le. v i anNiol.l4 to i=nduce by piovitigtbtt
theappLeltetn.ions wer.,...ex.a.g...:.;erated.• Within the last-
• ttfp ' pats' soch-attetitiim-ba,i been paid' to this inf.. •
iwrtant Rona, that a.striking diminution had taken
place in proportionate nuinber ut dcathi, whith
kst t he present -time amounted to only' one-third ut
what they Were (Cu years asi). It conk: hardly I e
,h9pe,i to nuke the West 1114;104 as heal:lty .4uaitz,

but a great deal might let be done. He would set hi, k
self diligently tp the task, and be shOuld be gla, 1 u..
profit by the, advice and suggestions of the Hon. Of-
ficer. . When 4e, before held the Seals of the Colo-
nialpepartment,.cousiderable investigations had been ,
' instituted on this subje& with a view to meliorating
the condition of the British Army ou the West-India
service.
"VINZM-OliierVed, that much of the
mortality.of the troops arose ftoth eatuses ttat could'
remedied, ss_inseparable from iropical..cli-
rnates. As'to the suggestops Qict he Hon. Gentle-
'man Pl 4 Ilavit)4ll9Cri 00. uP9,-PP• -b0P91V.04
remind him that igleat.variety or opinions prevaneL
upon the subjea amongQffieers gf.great-„experience.
'TIN same was. the case ,with, reApt:4 • ,to. tlys advan,
taco of Floatipeilospitos„as
He had listened .w th attention to. the s9ggestions of
the Hon. Gentleman, but the question could not be.
decitkd, exceptpersonsof ,considerable 9xpe-.
rience.: As to the. situation of the. Barracks, 'regard
must be had ,to the defence of the Islands. The,
sfa feffiairb rthe "Hon: Gentlenipti UrOitta h6grOZ,
as:A ' -stitnulusto„Government. As to the pay 'pc.,
Subalterns :being insufficient to Pfecare them.' thei
'cbmi9i-fs that every
.one would )visit them, to ita'vtl-4,,,
the case was the same in every other service, and •
only- proved that pet-86M' who entered the militafs.
prone ton, should, Jike him who enzazed in oilier
vocations, have saute capital k.helu he entered it,
as he had said last year when he propo3eci a small
addition to t he pay of Subalterns.

The SECitgnRY at IVAR was Convinced of
the'propriety of the mons es ut the +lon. Gentleman,
in, bringing ibrward this snbjeti, but he could assure
' tbe.tiouse, that the attention of his .Majesty's
vants was particularly called to it, as the Regiment
which 'he had the honour to command had been em-
ployed on service in the West Indies. He wa of
opinion that emu advantage tt oµld lte detivedfrom
attending to this. matter, but he was not sanguine
'enough to esse& that by any arrabgemetits that
could be. adopted the health 91 the troops could, be
preserved:as well-as in. Europe. When his Itegir
m enr,h2d been sent out first,,they were lnartered
Stony, Hilt BarraCks, in Jamaica, situated accorditig
ta.theidea of the Hots. Gentleman, and ylet the Re
gipscut bad suffered considerable sickness. He
.brought that muck benefit tvoiild -result, froin tiiot
adoption of improved arrangements respecting the
Barracks, but on the, other points cAnsiderable,dif-
ference of opinion prevailed Atniongst experienced;
oMcers. "
I
Mr. IP. SMITH' theuirlit,ltiat if tho grOund of
objeeliot) Wien by the Noble Lord were to be
mitted, in general it would tend to put down all iti..
quiries, though he gave the Noble I.Old credit fut
plying every proper attention to this subjeta:
.70IINS7'0,:iE said, he shoUld 41ever Lava
,brought this matter before thu.House if the sugs.,rei-v
'tiOnC he. had,' made to his Majesty's .Ministers,
gbd, had been attended t0,.0r, if any order 1ica13,4, •
sent out Eby the Qommander. us ,Cbief, to wlioin it?
•was the duly of. the Minister -to cotuumnicate hilt
suggestions, to the West ludics Via Oksu:bica• It
could-trot be Isis-wish-tO...presS Abe
the sense of the Hous:i,h:it if the matter should nct
be attended to, he predged liiinsellyoor after year,ty
bring it .forward in nirlizunent: With th:i perw
slots ,of the-House, be should propose to withdraw:
his Motion.

Attvr a 'few woy..ls fritnn Mr. WttmAm aitd Mr.t,
CociiGA7`•JUklNsTONC,.the,l\l4..;()ll SV:I-; allowed 141
be withdrawn.

Mr. LETHBRIDGE, pUrSLIIIII 10 his notice- on &
:former ilav r*O;i4":, the Petition of John '
'Palmer, Esq....of Bath, be lc:fen-v.l to a Con:mitto.v.,
The Petition related to an agrecan nt to Id.
Punier and the Government in the year 1784,
which.' had never ben fultiliccl by
The Petition had beiti .presetited to the.ktte
meat, by which it had been referred to a Counhit-, •
tt!e, d.fter having neer) recommende.l to the''l4oipe.
by {,:, Majeitv's then Minktets. It
for him to enter.into'any'Soail 'ha tlf
,ana•he thereore contente4 with itno.vn4,,
that the Petition -be referred to a' Coiniisittve lAr .
stairs.-
131notn. the
The CH A lc& tt 01 the I CLI ' did not
mean to give' any.ollli)sition to the ti(e •
[ion. Gecitleinan,' but iosv merely to
,s'ay-3.
o„fieotiip., to it, /if! did 'not Bite any opinion .on.thet
sal4M. He"thOitahtl,t the .1-itittlietvkihuld tkst,ltc
-abf6'to judge`olihtitnierits of. the Potitiou from ttie
PoOtt of the Committee.
After a fc.w tvords4rotri Lord ',ll. ,PETTV, the PC-
tirket&i%vas then referred to -4 c6fittlitteo ,14,5.ettaer, ,
4 to the pr,tccelings ,upon the. Coiner i'efitiou,
`repOrl, the same, together with:their obs2rvatious,
thereon, to the Minsk!. ,
. TbeCuANoet4oß of thef,:-N..citscipint
tiee, that he should ott.Thursdav move for leave to
bring iu a ISin to ih-I,:vent Stnnzgling. •
NAN C .CO M
, •
7714 CII4AVegt,/, 0 11),' /. Me. 4 grigi2VEß.. 4. . •
pursuant to his entice, in consequence of ihel;eneral
sense of the Hung:, and in obedieneeitp-the reconi-1
mendation in the Coininii4ioners; *Pg4;4;ll) fPr tit! re-
neratof _those Inquire which hati.iieen inttnrupted
•by they late Dissolution Parliament, rose to miner
renewal tif the.rmance Committee;
commending the proposition he had. to submit to tilt'
House, it was unnecessatlt for him to enl.if;e upor4'
t/K:,..l4l,,portantienf.AlelyiAttigAqs to 111(;‘ iittb,lic in e4.!st
; hc,copse no difference of opinion e\i,leti, no ohjet
to.the revival of the Go: ottiy,
qgpition.upop, watch any ly,ntrtt artse was,
as to the appointment of the CommittW., and the per -
sons,whoin the House might think pro Fer to selea‘
41e,had leason.' to think that a Ole rr•tq:v
,•wonla.prevail on t his subje6t,_bec:ll.lt4t I ott a tor-
ittgkt)Wit,heard ex pres4ihn lro,tit the oi h
klialse,tliattheGentleipttilliere wouid
ed if all titl Members ot tamier Commitlett, viltd)
air.v .Mentbers of tit ,Eionse, not be ap-
poioted; He was so sensible or; he i +-lex ped ie ncyofsucit
in appointment, t bat though he s.ioulu pr.ipo wto con-
thine some °fine Nietnbers of that 'Col.:loin ttec, he
sliou,d out .Doers,.or,fer to tilake twin foe
narodttction of 11-feathers. of a di.lergait
elescrilr-
Iloci. The Noble Lord_ow,ate
it I $;44, that ail. the' Nl.ember.4 of 'bier Colinnitte,a.
,ti ht- teyibe~.stlrl:rHt~te~ri; cleept.two, his. 11,31.
S*;..kit.t.triff.".) end the-:titin yihh bkt
11.....:Itrec.a.tieCiliy; ni id 't •iiattlitteat'
trout tire char4e wh!cit heel phied o
luat. un.:ull.: 10110 N, therefore, in'