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London, England, 1849-07-10 00:00:00

talked •' the benefit this measure would confer upon
the landlords of Ireland, and of his being the proprie-
tor of lend in five counties in Irel and. Other lion.
Members spoke in the same strain. The Hon. Gentle-
zin objected to the legislation for Ireland, and the poor•
I,”' especially. Now all these speeches, and this opposi-
tion to our honesty, resulted from one state of mind—
Bfeeling that England had a right to support Ireland.
ut, he would ask, where was the money for this rail
road to be got from—where was it to come from? Why,
from the pockets of the people of this country. What
Were they going to do? They were going to advance
in°ney from the Exchequer to Ireland to make a rail.
waY. He was not in the habit of quoting " Mansard,"
but
, he held a speech of the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer's in his hand with reference to a similar but
larger measure. The Right Hon. Gentleman then said
that he did not like the State to become a money-lender.
If the parties could give security for the money they
wanted, and if the speculation was a good speculation,
!°ery one knew that there would be no difficulty in get-
e`illg a loan from private individuals. He wanted to
nnw why the Chancellor of the Exchequer had charged
eie opinion. In 1847 Lord George Bentinck had pru-
P„osed a plan of railroads for Ireland, should ver such
" Plan. deserved support, was one thathave re-
celved it. The Chancellor of the Exchequer opposed it,
and now came forward with a much smaller, to which,
however, all his own objections applied as forcibly as
"er• He told them that it would open up the district,
and draw trade to it. Well, it that was the case, ac-
cording Wills own showing, it should induce the private
lender to Come forward. He must distinctly object
ter
alto-
gether to th. it lending money to Ireland, or to any
Pert of the kingdom. L iok at the state of Irelndo
It
Ras in every respect worse than it was in 1847, and what
was the state of things at present is England? In every
litii°° in the country, in the rural districts especially, the
oor-rates were increasing. In frugal industrious Scot
year they
and the rates last year were half a million sterling, this
Mt were likely to increase to 600,0001. While in
)at cases they had not previously been
40,000/. This was not a state of affairs
t° encourage any grants to Ireland. Be-
sides the Right Hon. Gentleman had formerly shown
himself that Lord George Bentinck's plan would not ern-
El°Y the labourers of Ireland, but that the works would
aexecuted by able-bodied labourers from England..
Jrithout entering upon any argument upon the subject,
he would simply content himself by strongly repeating
his protest against taking the money from the pockets.
Of the hardworking industrious operatives and artisans,
to maker ailroads in Ireland for any company whatever.
. Mr- HUME said his Hon. Friend appeared to misun-
tuilte erstend the question entirely. The measure would not
4 80141 e farthing out of the pockets of the artisans
of this country, nor would it take any of the taxes.—
(Rear, hear.) All that was proposed was, that the Go-
vernment should aid the company with its credit, and in
return it would receive a guarantee of 3 per cent..on
the line, He must repeat, a more unexceptionable and
useful proposition he could not conceive.—(Bear.)
Mr. NEW DEGATE most heartily rejoiced that the
Plan of his NoWe and lamented Friend was now admitted
to have been a practical and useful one. He could not
but regret that the Hon. Member for Sheffield should on
such grounds op a lan which would benefit the
landlords of Irelandose . lie could give his cordial support
to the. proposel of the Government, because he had
reel,4,ll,i' suPPort to a much larger measure, when
Trhe-b"' forward by his Noble Friend.—(Bear, hear.)
_ , Government had then opposed that measure,
yttereas if they had had the comprehensive genius and
11;i:eiglat of his Noble Friend, Ireland would now have
/lien in a very different position. The arguments of the
1 id yst R.
Gentleman the Member for Cambridge were.
0 'acteorg , the„ same as had been formerly used against Lord
Bentinck's pl tn. But he totally denied that the
;OW
re ought to leave the people to.perish, if their
IMO rewarded exertions could not sustain them. The
blontl °f
Government was to foster the people, and deve.
bare t°43 means by which their skill and industry could
bel!'reught into profitable action, and in this respect he
ac leved the cold and heartless doctrines of political
rtay had been most mischievous to the country.
h r- ROEBUCK said he did not object to this advance
e _
013 !cse atese it would benefit an Irish landlord, and as to the
rvation of his Honourable Friend (Mr. Hume) that
Ir%ere overnment merely gave its credit, if they did so the
? ruraent would be in some danger of having to re-
aeem that credit.
Sir EL w. 13 4
Ron. Ge 1 na"-RRON said he had an answer to the
wards ant -aitni;The Government had advanced up-
to starvinseven lii"°ns of moneyfor public works, not
rich,
nog' pauperised, and miserable Ireland, but to
perous England, where everybody was em•
PofloyedPand the means of creating wealth were boasted
ailr ,_ he found for
vancby the Times as sup
canals and bridges, 1,470 000/.;
erabundant. Among these ad.
r
v . °ads, 600,000/.--(Loud cries of "Hear" from the
Arish Members.) For building poor-houses, 1 900,0004;
~,tiwaterworks—(
for
Hear)—'70.000/.; and for the Thames
;L., nue', 250,0004—(R -newed cheers.) Where was the
l'al..°Lt. Member for Shsffield then? Why was he not in
els pia
he Irelande to oppose such advances as the.e, not to famish-
lol_ g , but to wealthy England? The fact of the
itsttpx was, it was nothing but the bile and the anti-
tirl h feeling, which seemed to run in his blood,
,fts he had
at induced him to come forward and talk
done of the hardship of taxing the hardwork-
mg citizens of England for Ireland.—(Much merriment
vethaes excited 'by the Honourable Baronet's mimicry of
h „vntee and manner of the Honourable Member for
a ele'd ) He could show, however, from the highest
iluatihortties, that all such advances to Ireland heretofore
and I!°t only been repaid to the Government, principal
pr_
vtintreet, but that actually their expenditure had
° dof benefit to the revenue. For instance, on the
of
authority Mr. Le "
ing
et, e
and all' "ad upon which 70,0001. had been expended,
tw of which was repaid, had, in the short space ot
, !years' given an inert ase to the revenue of 40,000/.
.Ijor evidence of the late Chairman of the Board of
(74eks in Ireland, an English gentleman, now in high
lti in This ;°„unfrv, was to the same effect.
Use:. `4"."Eltrir said he should not have felt sa-
Ireland, at t
and which h
d it' he hai_,l not expressed the gratification he felt,
_.
m the aid
'' 'new Pervaded all classes of the people of
to renderhe intention of her Majesty's Government
Ittan.Government they had proposed doing. He hoped
would follow out their views, and he
Sir them for bringing forward the present measure.
pl....'_'ru, .. D. A.CLAND said he had opposed the gigantic
seein hich had been brought forward by a lamented
bbl had F.riend (Lord G. Bentinek)—and he had opposed
_4erincipally on account of its magnitude—but he had,
u rtheless, in the course of the same year, and with
Perfecten consistency, supported other propositions for the
eui
.efit of Ireland—and he should, upon the same prin
elle' give his support to the present proposition for
(Aie„ and. The lion. teed Learned Member for Sheffield
r. Roebuck) had taunted an Hon. Member who had
'Poken in favour of this measure, because he said he bad
Property in five Irish counties. NOw he (Sir T. D.
Aciand) had no property in Ireland, but he spoke as an
independent English Member, and he felt it was the duty
°f this country to lend every aid that was possible to
Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) There were no more grateful
People than the Irish, and it was incumbent on the Go-
ternment in the present condition of Ireland, to give all
,Possible assistance.—(Hear, hear.) He wished to know
'roni his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Ex-
Chequer, whether the advances which had been made in
;;!417, had been paid up? Because, if they were, under
o circumstances of the time, it was idle to talk o'
danger or risk now. The best outlay of money wouldb
it'll_ that which would bring back profitable returns
Thethe work and the labour of Ireland.—(Hear.)
lite Ca
to the ttNCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in reply
8„,.. question of his Hon. Friend, coul.t bear the most
',ll,eteactoly testimony to the fact, that every. single six-
which had had been
had been advanced so the railroads in Ire-
bette; PE
tern'EV been repaid.—(Hear, hear.)
TO could assure the Houie that they had no
that labourers on their railways, than the labourers
achttaetarao from the sister country. When they saw the
in the Res which had resulted from the making of roads
. !pmt
making, of
the 8 ulghlands of Scotland, they might safely infer
the vast advantages which would accrue to Ireland from
railroads, and he thought that Govern-
- not do better than give every support to the
Mr, and extension of such works.
Sirt. FtEWEN supported the measure.
Posse LUCIUS O'BRIEN claimed for his country the
but if, of a proper share of enterprise and industry,
ti,egoleeof Ireland
. in the dispensations of Providence, a heavy eels-
_ eal_nad fallen upon the land, he felt assured that the
Present would appreciate the liberality of Go-
the lit iand forward with such a proposition as
t. After
the h, for one, gave it his hearty
HERBERT,
e resolution
a few observations from Mr. H.
The c a was agreed to.
had ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
next to
the distressedprose a further advance for the relief of
said be
unions
He had stated
Months reeea:
on Om, to be secured upon the rate in aid.
a. former occasion that, for the three
rally prevailed in
P ----ng Ice_ harvest, the greatest distress gene-
reland. They had already
~..
advanced
• More than the 100,0001. which had been voted, the di
f•
h •
..: eying been advanced oul, of the civil contin.gen.
e beginning
ties,
oreo the
been than 10 of June the advances h.adnoit:
,0004 weekly. Since then the aa
van than been 15,0001. weekly, and he did not suppose
that it could bei ledss till the early crops of potatoes—
in full consu "
which he Was
to say were exceedingly good—were
korning, would
naption.. There had been already advanced
175,000/., which, with 15,0001. he had advanced that
make the entire advance 190,0001. It
Was his intention
fortber advance onfolfsOtoo movel a resolution for a still
flitting down, that it , 00 . He would state, before
houses, but he would
ie for the reconstruction of work-
.yote for
an
advance
was also his intention to make a
only mentioned it nolvmievae it in another Committee. He
had escaped his recollection.t it should be supposed that it
In answer to a questionle Mr. STAFFORD,
The CHANCELLOR of
stated that he had before hinethaeliEtXPßEQUEß further
unions, that they were 23 in number, the
most distressed
it arid among thoie
allina, Ballinrobe,
he mentioned were the unions of I3andon Castlereagh, Castlebar, Carrick-on-Shannon,
Dingle,-Ennis, Ennistowen, &e.
le Sig Str D. NORRE I'S wished to know ho far the nof rates had gone on in these unions
col-
the collection had been enforced? , and whether
_ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied
the the collection of the rates in all the distressed
unto had been enforced to the utmost pracble extent.
-1:11e resolution was then agreed to, and the H slimed, ()use re

POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL.
t"ird O 4 the question being put that this Bill be read a
time,
4r• JOHN O'CONNELL rose to move the following
Zetand way of amendment:—" And whereas, by the
24P1 2 Vic., c. 56, the Poor-law Commissioners are
owered to appoint fit persons to be chaplains to
;eel:Elthbuses, be it enacted, that no clergyman shall be
htiltPiled a fit person for such office, or if appointed, to be
Inued in such office, who shall not be approved of by
cldivary; and Ow no elets.Yenuslaull be removed