The Sun.
London, England, 1838-10-17 00:00:00

DUBLIN.

(FROU ova OWN CORRISPONDINr.)
The Precursor Society is adding daily to its numbers.
Since my last communication, meetings have been held in
Roscommon, Stradbally, Queen's county, Carrick-on- Suir,
and Cahir, to enrol members ; and similar meetings are an-
nounced to take place in Athlone, Sligo, and several other
quarters. The Catholic Bishop of Derry, and Mr. Redding -
ton, IV.. P. for the borough of Dundalk, have written to the
Secretary, requesting to be admitted members of the Society,
and promising their warm co-operation.
POOR LAW PROCEEDINOS.-Dr. Phelan has left for London,
to be sworn in an Assistant Poor-law Commissioner. A simi-
lar appointment was offered to Mr. Staunton, proprietor of the
Morning Register, and declined by that gentleman.
Lady Dover, sister to Lord Morison, is engaged in for-
warding education by endowing schools upon different parts of
her estates in this country. She has already effected much
good, and much more may be anticipated from her generous
labours.

EXTRAORDINARY RUAIOUR.—In an Athlone Paper it is
stated that a Nobleman and three gentlemen of Tory politics
have been obliged to fly the county from their connection being
discovered with a party who lately attempted to land arms and
ammunition, near Connaught, from Hanover, where the gen-
tlemen had previously been on a visit I The story certainly
wants confirmation.

TO THE LICENSED VICTUALLER

OF ENGLAND.

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feel it to be their duty again to congratulate the trade upon
the unprecedented success of their new Weekly Journal,
and to express, at the same time, their fervent hope that
those active and generous efforts, to which this success is
attributable, may be continued, until the funds derivable
from this, the Licensed Victuallers' own Paper, shall be
found adequate to extend the blessings of education and
protection to every object of philanthropy, young and old,
connected with the body at large.
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N.B.—The Saturday's edition of the Era is publisiled
at twelve o'clock at noon, in time for the Railway Trains
for Birmingham, Manchester, and Liverpool.

aTdoori
dozen
voteo of wine,
i n
and Mary'sthi
.
are
Ward is, we
assured, has been actually offered by some 'of
been
have
we canvassers to clench a promise from a doubtful man.
thelTicl
ENT
TO HER MAJESTY.--A pair of bead-
osr worth ys'
halfa
(Edinburgh), with a view of being presented to her
this city
Immediately on the front of the shoe, bee
embroidered shoes have been worked by a private lady in
cre the
Majesty:
(Is a neat cluster of the leaves of the royal oak, sur-
by the English rose ; and encircling the foot is a
The Trresterntordi,n,,ze,
min
ostuenpt,,
rroicch:vreatb composed of the rose, the thistle, and the sham-
k:lll neatly worked in appropriately coloured beads. Al-
together they are exceedingly elegant, and do great credit to
the taste and ingenuity of the lady by whom the embroidery
work has been executed. Sir John Campbell has undertaken
to present them to her Majesty. Scotsman.
The May or of Bristol has delivered the following
opinion to a deputation of wine-merchants of that pity :—:-
~ That members of the trade who have been allowed ther pri
vilege of selling wine and spirits in less quantities than tlyo
gallans are subject to all the regulations of a soldier's billet."

STEAM COMMUNICATION WITH

J," From the Ureatiele.)
The question of sttani navigation to India is being PgaL,
mooted hi the city, in consequcncc of a proposal for the esta-
blishment of a private Comp:tny, as explained in the report
of a meeting held last week at the Jerusalem Coffee-house.
Though there is a strong desire amongst the ir,,reliants and
others connected with the East Indies to have this important

purpoee accemplished in a satisfactory mariner, it is yet not to
be concealed that the difficulties in the way of a private
Company are much more numerous than would appear from
the statements of the concoct, rs of the present plan. The
parties, in fact, are the same who have been connected wits
this question for the last five years, and who formerly failed in
their endeavours, from discovering that the proposed lines on
both sides a f the Isthmus of Suez could not be established
and maintained under a loss of at lea.et 100,0001. a year. To
make up this deficiency the most preposterous propositions
were made to the Lords of the Admiralty by the Chairman
of the Company ; amongst others being one for a monopoly
of the whole of the correspondence with the East Indies,
and an Act to be passed for prohibiting, under severe
penalties, the carrying of any letter or newspaper by pri-
vate vessels by way of the Cape of Good Hope. When it
is considered that at present the Indian Presidencies are
exempted by a special Act of Parliament, from the ordinary
charges of postage, and letters arid newspapers are regularly
carried out and home at a charge of twopence each, and that
the concoctors of the above scheme proposed to abolish this
privilege, and to force all the correspondence of India through
their own vessels, without limitation of charge, and without of-
fering the smallest security to the Government that they could
or would accomplish the saving in time to keep up their ups-
rations uninterruptedly, it is not to be wondered at that
Colonel Maberly so signally overthrew, and, in a single sheet
of paper, blew all their absurdities away. In what manner
the same parties now propose that another Company shall lie a
remunerating one, without the monopoly of letters formerly
proposed, and without the large allowances from the Ad-
miralty and the East India Company which were demanded at
the same time, seems to be out of tne power of those who have
been attending to the progress of the question at all to divine.
That the present steam communication has proved almost
entirely a failuras is not a subject of surprise to those who
recollect that the East India Company never entered into
the undertaking with any real good will, but were driven into
it by the agitation of the question both in India and at home,
and with the perfect knowledge that a loss of full 100,000/.
per annum would be the inevitable result of the scheme. That
the Directors should prove to be indifferent to the success of
the undertaking is not altogether a subject of so much sur-
prise, when, in addition to their well-known aversion to the
throwing of too much daylight on the general state of Indian
affairs, they have it to advance that the loss to the Company
is to so great an extent, and the advantages are so uncertain
and comparatively trivial, that it is not nezessary to refrain
from sending off the steam ships to carry troops to the Per-
sian Gulf. The whole state of the question of steam naviga-
tion to the East Indies is, in short, in a state of abey-
ance, because it has been most completely proved that
no such communication can be kept up without losses of
the most enormous kind ; and it is more than probable that
it cannot be accomplished until the improvements in
steam navigation, and particularly in the economy of
fuel, shall have become such as to render steam navigation
equally as cheap, with all the advantages in time, as vessels of
the ordinary kind. These improvements are certainly very
rapid in succession, and steam navigation is becoming daily
cheapened by the inventions of ingenious men, especially as
regards the boiler; but there is not yet anything approaching
to a sufficient economy of fuel to render profitable the esta-
blishment of a private Company through so many ramifica-
tions and for distances extending to so many thousand of miles.
The observation of the Times, that the success of steam navi-
gation between Bristol and New York is a proof of the practi-
cability of a similar lucrative line to the East Indies, is very
obviously incorrect ; for there is no similarity between a voyage
of only 3,000 miles, without interruption from an isthmus, with
coals at a moderate expense, and with three times the number
of passengers and amount of traffic to support it, and a voyage
to the East Indies, attended with the inconveniences and ex-
' penses of crossing the Isthmus of Suez, using coals for two-
thirds of the voyage at a cost of 41. per ton, and having only a
limited number of passengers for the support of the line.
Amongst many well-informed persons in the city the opinion
appears, indeed, to prevail, that it is useless in the present
state of steam navigation to force prematurely the establish-
ment of a steam communication with the Indian Presidencies,
and that it will not probably be very long before the improve-
ment in steam machinery will render it the interest of private
ship-owners themselves to establish not one, but perhaps
numerous lines to the East Indies, and to all other places
where, from the investment of capital in the speculation, there
is a reasonable prospect that a profit can be made.
(From the Times.)

Accounts from Singapore to the 26th of June report some
improvement in commercial affairs. The rate of exchange had
risen to 4s. 6d. Under the head of Batavia, to the beginning
of May, the advices were less favourable, particularly with re-
ference to British cotton goods, of which the supplies, were
heavy, whilst the demand continued dull.
Papers from Bombay have come to hand to the 13th of
June. They contain extracts of letters from Bushire to the
latter end of March, from which it appears that some commo-
Eons were apprehended in those parts of Persia against the
authority of the Schah. It was reported that the Russians
would induce him' to abandon his enterprise against Herat,
and direct his army against Calm', as a more vulnerable
country, and where success might facilitate his views against
British India. In order to excite him, the example of his
great predecessor Nadir Schah was pointed out, who by
that route had invaded the Mogul empire, and made him-
self master of its captal. Reports were still current in
Bombay, that a collision with the Burmese was inevitable,
but that hostilities must in any case be: deferred until
after the monsoon season, in September and October. An or-
der had been issued by the Governor-Geaeral for the
Semiramis steamer to be dispatched on the first favourable
day after the 18th of July with the mail for Suez. A
correspondence is published in these papers between Colonel
Campbell, the Consul-General in Egypt, and Boghos Bey,
Prime Minister of the Pasha of Egypt, transmitted by the first-
named functionary to the Bombay Steam Navigation Com-
pany. The Colonel had made an application to the Pasha
tor leave to erect suitable buildings in the dese.e between
Suez and Cairo for the accorninedation of passengers, and
also for permission to construct additional boats for the navi-
gation of the Nile. In answer Boghos Boy had signified the
consent of the Pasha to the erection of an inn .half-way be-
tween Suez and Cairo, and for the building of thirty addi-
tional.boats for the Nile, with the special and exclusive privi-
lege of possession arid advantages for ten years, apart from all
in:erference with the rights and trade of the natives, and a
continuation of the term, should such be requested by the
British Consul on its expiration, on the condition that the
whole should be under the charge of the British Post-office
agency in Ertypt. Col. Campbell had strongly recommended
the Bombay Steam Company to take these undertakings in
hand, advising them moreover that the East India Directors
here had intimated their resolution to supply him with an
iron steam-boat and flat for the Nile service and the convey-
ance of despatches, and of an iron track-boat for carrying coal
along the canal when the Rosetta branch of the river should
not be practicab'e.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES,
Sir,—l feel a deep interest in the important question of
overland communication with India; and as you propose to
" keep the subject before the public," I shall be happy to
render my humble aid, if it can be found useful to you, in a
question of such vast magnitude and importance. In your
report of my address to the meeting at the Jerusalem, you
state, that since July last the communications had been
conducted with the greatest regularity. My words were,
" July in last year," which is the fact; the mails for India
are despatched every fourth Saturday by the Mediterranean
packets, and the mails from India become due in London
on every fourth Tuesday. I am not aware of a single
instance of their not getting to Egypt in duo course, ex-
cept in the case of the February mail (I think), which
was sent by the Londonderry steimer to Gibraltar, but in
consequence of the very bad quality of that vessel, and of
exceedingly rough weather, she brought the mail back to
Falmouth, after being ten days at sea. Ido not think any
other case of irregularity has occurred, and that upon inquiry
it will be found that all the mails have been regularly sent on
to India. The last overland mail which came from Bombay
left that port on the 21it of May, the portion of it transmitted
via Marseilles was delivered in London on the 9th of July,
and that via Gibraltar on Tuesday, the 17th of July. A few
letters which were brought from Bombay by the expedition to
Persia have since been delivered; and it has been asserted, I
think without any semblance of truth, that two mails fell into
the hands of and were plundered by the Arabs. My opinion is,
as expressed at the meeting, that all the vessels at the disposal
of the Government were sent with troops to the Gulf, and con.
sequently there was no ship to convey the June, July, and
August mails in due course to the Red Sea. lam under an
impression that there is a want not only of energy, but of
cordial co-operation of the authorities in India, with regard
to the transmission of the mails thence to England, and
therefore that the whole blame rests there, and nowhere
else. lam willing- to concur in opinion with those who
condemn the system of sending the Indian mails to Vigo,
Oporto, Lisbon, and Cadiz, on their route, but I cannot see
the utility of what is called the comprehensive plan, that is of
separate steamers to convey the mails from the Red Sea direct
to Calcutta, Madras, and Bombay. The expense of the
present plan of conveying the entire-Indian mail and passen-
gers to Bombay is far greater than the income derived from
those sources. It would be absurd to divide the business upon
' the proposed plan, merely to endeavour to hinder the Bombay
people from getting the start of European intelligence. The
people of London, Edinburgh, and Liverpool might as well
insist that the mails shall be conveyed from and to each of
those places direct instead of all being landed at Falmouth.
Persons interested in this matter will do wisely to read atten-
tively the highly important evidence given before the House
of Commons before they become parties to the scheme for
firming aComiany which I conceive can never yield a particle
of profit to the shareholders.

I am, Sir, your obedielit sorvant,

Oct. 16.

(From the Morning Herald.)
Loud complaints were made throughout India of the system
which is pursued at the Bombay Post-office establishment in
the transmission of the packets which arrived overland, but it
was anticipated the new Postmaster wou:d r, medy these evils.
It appears, however, that the port of Aden, so essential to
tl e perfect formation of an overland mail communication with
India, which was said to have been given up to the British, has
not been taken possession of as a dependency, and great com-
plaints were of course made of the apathy of our vigilant Go-

vernnr•nt in not nromntir it-plrnf co " 4""

Sin,ll

rl4•,lic Ate tin= nee;
ot -.Lon overland be-
tween this country and India, whilst they reflect no credit upon
the apahy of the Government or the East India Company.
The Bombay cotton market continued inactive, but the opium
market was fully supported, and the prices on board ranged at
from 750 a 775 rupees per chest. Ships were scarce, and the
rate of freights 6/. 10s. a 6/. 15s. per ton. The exchange on
Bank post bAls was ls. 114 d. per rupee.
The 13engal Ilurharu contains serious complaints of the
management of the Dawk, or internal p)st, adding that nothing
but a direct steno commun ca.t.ion with Calcutta can remedy
the evils of the Bombay Post-office. Accounts from Moul-
mein of the 29th cf April merely mention that it was not known
whether the Tharrawaddee would persevere in refusing to treat
personally with any representative of the British Government,
but Major Benson, of the lion. Company's 11th Native In-
fantry, was to proceed immediately to Rangoon, in the room
of Colonel Burney.

CORN-LAW FALLACIES, WITH THE

ANSWERS.

(Continued from The Sun of Monday.)
129.—There are two classes, the Clergy and the agricul-
turists, which are cortinually subjected to insult and injury.
The wrongs each endures rive from the same cause—the in-
ability to defend itself. Whenever a man can be plundered
with impunity, there will never be wanting somebody or other
to pounce upon the unresisting prey ; and as long as public
affairs are directed by a Whig Ministry, the game of robbing
the helpless will cont;nue to o mrrily on, while oppression
can find out new victims.—Cg
onser merrily on, while opprc°°
can find out new victimu—Gonservalive Journal and Church
of England Gazette, 29th Sept. 1838. From Cambridge
Chronicle.
ANswEa.—Certain monks ate eight times a-day, to de-
monstrate the weakness of human nature. So the agricul-
turists have demonstrated their weakness, by turning every"
body else out of the House of Commons, and prohibiting
foreign commerce, to raise their rents. Of the Church too,
the Dissenters could perhaps produce some equally lA'
equivocal signs.

130.—" Cheap Bread"--.." No Corn Laws"—" No TO
upon Bread"—" Repeal of the Corn Laws"._‘, Take off the
Tax from the Staff of Life"—all these are very plausible and
catching sounds with the ignorant and gabbling mobs of Bir-
mingham and Manchester.—ld. 22d Sept. 1838.
A.—How long will men gabble, without persuadiag,
them of the contrary ? ~ Allow us to take three hours
work out of you for a peck of corn, instead of two," is the
proposal which the agriculturists are trying by dint Of
eloquence to force down the throats of tiro working pope"
latiun.
131.—But, nevertheless, ignorant and besotted as are the
great masses of the large towns, they cannot be made to be-
lieve that the men who could pass the New Poor-law Bill care
one fly for the real interests of the poor, and whether theY
be well and cheaply fed or not.—ld.
A.—The New Poor-law was a new trick of the 10,4"
owners, to avoid keeping the poor their Corn-laws mad
They say " Throw the poor on their own resources'
and so they do away with the old legal provision for the
tc.
poor, and leave them the Corn-laws. Will nobody help
0 throw the landlords on their own resources?"
132.—The manufacturing operatives must perceive that the
price of corn cannot be lowered without producing ruin to the
husbandman as well as to themselves.—ld.
A.—Try it turn-and-turn about. Put a tax on home:
grown corn, and say to the agriculturists, " The agricil:
tural operatives must perceive, that the price of corn cannat
be raisedwithout producing ruin to the manufacturer as
well as to themselves."
133.—Whether the difference in the expense of raisilr
corn in this country be attributable to the comparatively hlgthh-e
rate of taxation or rents, is of little moment ; for neither
u,
one nor the other can be reduced without injury to the man,
facturers themselves. The Whigs say that they cannot Peese
sibly reduce the taxation of the country, and their figutije
prove the truth of their statement; and, therefore, as
_l,,
same amount of taxes must be raised, the agriculturist can o!'4
be relieved by throwing a greater portion of the taxes on tu
manufacturers.—ld.
A.—Allow the landowners to gain two pounds by keefd);
ing you from a hundred ; in order that of the two pe.ttt
they may pay one in taxes. Do not recover the hundred'
you should have to pay the one for taxes instead of t'a.o
landowners. Such is the advice which the Church '
her Gazette, volunteers to give the trading community.
the sal.
134.—Carry this also to the subject of rents ; and
result will be seen to be inevitable. If the rents be reduns,,r
as they would be very materially if the Con-law was repeal.o.
agricultural property would be proportionably reduced in l'al oF
and there as the taxes are imposed according_ to the valu,e__ns
the property, a far less amount of taxes would be raised Irtube
the agriculturists than at present; and then, again, a' 0.,
same amount of taxes must continue to be raised, the are,
tural deficiency must inevitably be made up by the manillac
turers in some way or other.—ld.
A.—As before,_ be robbed that the robbers maY Pal.
taxes for you. Be poor, and then nobody can get taxes
out of you ; and you will be astonished to find how much
you will be benefited by that.
135.—1 t is quite clear that the interests and welfare of the
agricultural and commercial portions of the community are so in-
separably bound up together, that the ruin of the one would al-
most
must
unavoidably immediately
be
ee
the
ntmh e
truin v
eorfy
their each forming part of the same community.--Id.
A.—Try it the other way. Give us aci
the other. This
grown corn for one-and-twenty years, and tell the agri car.,
tr
ac
xu circumstance a nil coerroef...,
turists it must unavoidably do them good, from the YeY.
circumstance of our all forming part of the same rAnirnie
nity. Why is not an agriculturist to be expected, to 03 s'
an ass of himself, as well as a manufacturer ?
136.—And we sec no possible way of the, manufacturaef
really benefiting himself, but by his going over with his
manthe
facturing knowledge, and machinery, and so forth, intol
countries where corn and taxes are so much lower.-I,'' „si-
A.—Lay a tax on home-grown corn, and tell tne "Lalno,
isnotni"o•
culturist to go abroad if he does not like it. There
like trying men's medicines upon, themselves.
137.—There is, to be sure, the alternative of Puttifilse:
complete end to the ruinous system and quackery %inert
trade, and of strictly preventing the exportation of mac
uf,e,
and thifinishei goods of every description. The 1132" be bi
turer would thus be far more benefited than he ever can
the nostrum of Corn-law repeal.—ld. L the
A.—Glad enough the landowners would be, to se from
manufacturers on taking a penny, turn-and-turn abater . if
all the passengers at Charing-cross and one an°t LberY•
that would make them lie still under the landed rou
But the time is gone by. vile
138.—The whole business is indeed a pure pieee,
the Of
gdg cerlya',u
saendinmtel,eelyßaerfloerwmeßdiitlilon:f.th.eirlatred or
the
pWoubni °lf, howevair'w, or
Whigs continue their agitation u on either the Core- 'OOl-
- fifty pound clause, we would seriously advise the
h_th *gel of
turists throughout the country to meet them wit" ° e.• ego-
" Justice 'to the farmers," and insist upon halingte 0f the
rights," and " equal privileges," with the inhabitan
towns.—ld. tit mush
A.—Bring it to Universal Suffrage ; for to tha
ri ulturist*
come at la-t. But in the mean time the eg•-c live 513
or the dishonest part of them, know too well theY
glass houses, to be the first to throw stones• e ettPi"
139.—1 t is in the natur hi h prices to encurt:grs,
dity, and e.hen this cccurse inof thegarticle of bread,o
th "Ilerale,
eessary of life it greatly aggravates the evil.--Mo"iii9
Oct. 6, What 3. jar ill;
A.— is this portentous of? Have the ..."kP or
of
high prices encouraged their cupidity, till they th
gravating the tax on bread ? the UP;
140.—1 n the town of Maidstone alone, it seear__ad. shor..
wards of forty bakers have been accused of sellingnnir:rred that
of weight, and it may, ice fear, be too safely 'w f
xi teat °- the
Maidstone, though singular, we hope, in the c
•i Non' la
offence, is far from standing alone in its commissionaibt, su
the time when leet juries and other inspectors of !celo, that
measures should he espe_ially on the alert ;
coMm-help
this is a subject which concerns all classes of the
ewer to
consider %pity,
but especially that class who have the least 1), now used'it
themselves, Fancy bread, of which a vast deal IS
we
if
is not liable to be weighed at all. It would be
.a_acorre they
wore. At any rate, buyers would do well te ""_„,e,---70
selves what the weight is which they get for theirtieenet7o4' t_phe
A.—The. great rogues trying to turn off at
jurY °- to,
the little ones. Now is the time for the great ~ in gaits
ue.apte 11.7644
lu
vtbec te.ra:
public to be on the alert, to watch the real rog
who coolly take away half the loaf. "111 a".Y.7LI is tubl
would do well to inform themselves what Me ttialg"
they get for their money."
(TO BE CONTINUED.) S
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n the
ST. LEONARD'S, OCT. 15.—Both tow-s.fics fork-o.
and St. Leonard's, continue to fill with large fll Av
winter season. Most of the principal houses are
.vierseao"ol Staatenfor;
Arrivals—The Bishop of Elphjn and suite arrioue Pilot,.
day at No. 42, Wellington-square, which they Lady wri Mr.
six months. Other arrivals—Sir Eardley and e ;
Cotrag--l;
in Pelham-crescent ; Hon. Lady Pell, at Castle.
Sax Hot
_...,
and Mrs. Ibbotson and family, at the Soutlgr
1, Bastinetteci
Mr. Patterson, at the Swan Hotel; Mr. P. Georg' tin
Lodge ; Lady Montgomery Cunningham, o" s.
aLna(id y
Mrs.A nsonß,
Beaufort,
fhoer tA, lb ion
Captain Hotel;and La d
Mrs.y C
Pressole_.b ron....otti
eland,
r idS, a live;155(;!,
Lady Silvester, Mrs. Singleton, Mr. Gage t•-;Y. p. for i.,th
Bankes, Dr. Fellovves, &c. Mr.
borough, is among the repartures. On Tuesday 7, Essi.l. ':ir
anniversary of the wedding day of Wastel
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r'sro 111_etb
his amiable lady was celebrated at C"geuere regaled wi
A
tenantry and labourers, amounting to 400, w
_., and ale.
Holland,da
good old English fare, roast beef, plum pudding..a
dance concluded the entertainments of the d Y
trial al
the
George Calvert Taylor has been committedofem
bezzling yi,
ROBBERY OF THE HULL STAl‘lfPo;°r:-1 the
ensuing Hull Sessions, on the charge.
sums of money belonging to the Stamp ..
d
1044
• ut 1 532/. 7s. cola, ell
deficiency is stated to be about , ,-,f hi
susceptible - Adolph
The Bayaderes are very _
.0 ~e
L" s warn,'
never leave the house which is attachedntst
are keP f their
Theatre, except to perform. Their apartme.
eservation 0
and of a certain temperature, for the pi .
in compenY
health; they are lively and cheerful office at Hull.