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REVERSIONS.

BANKES gave notice, that on Friday heswould
make a motion relative to the Resolution of that
House of the 24th of Mara,. against granting Places
in Rever,ion.

•The Consolidated Fund 13111 went throtigh a Corn-
mittee, the Report of which was ordered. to be te.
qeived to-Morrow, ' .‘

MILITIA'TRANSFER BILL
The Order of the Day for the third reading of the
'Militia Transfer Bill having been rend,
Lord CASTLEREAGH moved, that the Bill be now
read a third time.

Opidnel STANLEY took the opportunity of ex-
pressing his disapprobation of the Bill, contending
that the advantages which the Line would derive from
it •Vt' ere by no means- equal to the injuries which the
Militia, that great constitutional force, would sus-
tain. He enumerated the services which the Militia
had rendered to the Country, and wished to know
whether it was intended to continue these attacks
upon it periodically, as in that case it would become
a question how far the Officers would expose thetif-
selves to such unpleasant eirctimstances. He Observed
also, that he had. received a letter frOm thelieu-
tenant-colonel of the Regiment of Militia which he
hadthe honour to comnaand, in which it was Stated;
that persons had been tampering with the men, 'for
the purpose of inducing them to enlist into a Regnlar
Regiment in the neighbourhood, and that. the same
consequences had resulted, of intoxication and in-
subordination, as he was convinced would generally
follow the passing of the Bill into a law. He asked
the Noble Lord opposite, whether any orders' had
been issued
.by Government to prevent such tam-
pering as that which he had just described
Lord:CASTLERA4GI replied to the tWo ques-
tions of.the .Hon. Gentleman. With regard to .11IP
first, whether it was intended that the measure, as it
related. to the Militia, should be periodical he had
Stated at considerable length his objedions "to such a
proposition, and his convidion that it would
,be ito-
predicable. , As to the tampering, it would have
been highly presumptnous in his Majesty's Ministers,
. to have iSStlefi any orders on the
.subject before the
bill had received the sandion even of one House of
Parliament; although the expression of their senti-
ments both on the face of the Bill, and in the debates
that had taken. place on its various stages, would, he
should have,supposedi have beervamply seffiPkot to
pros4e that' such cnildpet as thht described -by the
Hen. Gentleman would meet their severest reproba-
tion. 4 Those by whom it had been pradised would,
however, reap no adVantaue from it, fbr the regi7
ment-which was in the neigribotirhoed of the (Anton,
meats of\the Lancashire Militia, would in all proba
bility not be one of, those recommended for, the re-
ceptionbf volunteers. As soon as Minister* were
authorised-by the passing of the Bill into a law,
miler proceedings would be discountenanced by
an
Order from the Commander in Chief; for .nothing
could be farther front their wishes than any. Im-
proper interference with the Militia. by Abe OtlicerS
of ,the Line.

Sir R. WILLIAMS observed, that if the Bill had
been brought forward early in the s:esslen, the sense
of the People .would have been so strongly eXpressed'
to their Representatives, that it must have been re-
je6led, and the Gentlemen opOmite 'must have lust
their places. He blamed the eagerness 'with which
Ministers had subverted his Right Floe.' Friend's
Plan, which, he contended, was every day proving
its excellence; and remonstrated against the stiggia
thrown upon the Militia, 'which amounted to an ac-
emotion that they were not lit to defend their corm-
try. He again maintained, that the Majors-General
of the distri6ts ought
,to inspeaand manteuvre the
Volunteers themselves.:
General TA it Lwroii repeated, that it was impos-
sible that the Majors-General if distriL•ts shouid
in-
spe6t the Volunteers.
Mr. BANKS gave his consent to. the measure,
not because he was blind to the inconveniences that
must, in many cases, result from it, but because,
feeling in common with every Member of, the House
, the necessity of increasing the Military Force of the
Country, he did not' Consider himself warranted in
opposing the Bill tar that purpose, proposed by his
..Majesty's Ministers, unless.he could offer something
better in subititetion. He stated the greunds of his
. approbation of the Plan of. his Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. Windham), and lamented that there were such
fluttuationS in many parts of the 4dtpinistration of
the Country, that that Plan could not have fair play.
It could not he denied that the. Ballot would he
highly oppresSiVe, and would .materially injure, and
for a short time;destroy the Reciuiting for .010, Re..
&ler Army. ',l'o obviate this latter evil,as much as
possible, he thought it adviseable that the' Money
given for Substitutes should pass alone thr6ugh the
hands 'of Government, and was, therefore, desirous
that the 'Fines shotild not he of such an amount as
to preclude this course. The Clause introduced in
the CoMmittee, giving the Volunteers from the
Militia to the Line, the optipn .of limited' or
rotted Service, net with his peculiar approbation.
It was with the 'most sincere regret that he found*
this Bill was all that it was iuteutivtl to IVopose, as

he cooe.eived that it was far from being, adequate to
the exigency of the CoUntry. His Noble Friend
had recommended that further ineasureS should be
delayed to the next Session, but was it certain'that
in the next :Session .the opportunity of due
ration would be afforded ? Why the Training Bill
should. not be put in force vas to him utterlyincom-
piebensible. It had never been considered as oner-
ous,
but 11 there were obstacles to its execution,.be
did not think it •becatne Parliament tO separate until
an attempt had been made to remove those obstacles.
He rejoiced that the Volunteer System was, reviv-
ing, but-some other ' body of force was required in
the Country, from which, in
.case of Invasion, the
Regular Army , might be recruited. If ever there
was any probability of an Invasion, that probability
had become much increased within the last two, or.
three years. Every thing had occurred to facilitate
ie,--nothing to retard it.
Lord • FOLICSTO NE objected strongly.. to the t
Bill, and replied to the remark of the Hon, dent-
tleman who bad just spoke, that he would' support*
. the Bill because Ministers thought it eipedient,,al-.
though. he himself disapproved of it. He- could
not agree thu§ to surrender his own judgment.
Veneral LOFTUS regretted
,that so much oppo-
sition had been given. to this measure, which he
. maintained was highly expedient. The former V°,
lunteets from the Militia had given to the Army
some of the best non-commissioned Officers, and
even Adjutants, and he depredated the wish to lock
up men of similar character, from extending their
sphere of service.
Mr, WINDHAM putitto. the House to decide,
who were right: and who were wrong,' in the circum-
stances which detained the House' for such a length
of time that Morning._ 11e appealed to what had
just passed. Would it have been proper to read the:
Bill a third time, without having heard the discus-
sion which had that evening taken- place ? Unques,
tionably not. . The Noble Lord had 'declared,
,that-
the Subject was exhausted,• this was. a considerable-
. assumption on the Bart of 'any individual. 'lf the •
forms of the House, and the state.of the 'Session
allowed, plenty of new topics of objections would'
arise to the'Keble Lord's Bill. -4t was a steed*
dish. The House might out and came again.-,--
'Whether any emergency. existed ? what was its *na-
ture? what' measures were best calculated to meetit
•if it existed ? whether this Was one of those mea,
sUres ? these were consideritions which demanded
repeated enquiry. ..He denied that the number of
Men gained by the Ballot, or rather the difference
between that number and the number • .that would
otherwise be gained by the regular . Recruiting,
would in any degree conip.ensate for the . mischief'
that must result from the.. contest of Bounties to
the regular Recruiting. Adverting to his own mea-
sure, he observed, that in .the first three months
of the last year, it had produced at the rate of
t f ,600 men.a year ; in the next three months, at
the rate of 13,000 men ; in .the next three months,
at the rate' of '2 1;0o men ; and in the last three
Months. at the rate •of 24,000 men, thus proving
its progressive imProvement. Let this be. compared
with the Parish Bill When this result was con-
'Bidered, as combined with the, effects which must
have followed putting the Training Bill into activity,
the number that a perseverance in this plan must
' have. produced, and regularly produced, would
nearly 'have eqUelled the number proposed to be.
raised by the,
-Noble Lord's plan—raised by an effort
which must paralyze future exertion. After having
thus maintained the superiority of his. System in
raising; Men, be entered ;into similar Statements
with respect to the diminution which it had occa-
sioned, and which, if it had been persevered
unquestionably would have 'occasioned, in the nutn;
ber of desertions, The styes of the Noble Lord's
plan on the Militia, had been sufficiently described
by the Gentlemen who bad spoketv on that subject:
Fox years to come. the. Militia would not recover the
blow of the Noble. Lord. If it was once admitted
that we had a right to plunder the Militia; it was' a
mere mockery to say that a recurreilee of the assum-
ed necessity of
plunder would not happen. With.
-
moat& 16 the Training- A&, which vidm be the
grand reservoir from which the Regular Artily might
be supplied, on the score of some difficulty in the
exeCutioe,.the Noble Lord proposed to postpone the
consideration of it to the next Session, What
dtffi-
culty ? - None that he knew of, except the mistakeY
of having" lists. 'instead of proper listsithw
effects of which, however, had in a,great measure
been removed. He repeated] ,his statements on the
s,nbjeol of the Volunteers, and contended, that'lf, in
ease. of invasion, it were atterupted to bring a large
body of Volunteers to a& with tehe,Line against some
of the best troops in EUrope, it would be. a • most
ruinous proCeeding, and one against the auticipi.tl9;
of which he entered his solemn protest. lle con ».
tended this- measure would'be much rime
eXpen-
sive,. than the fOrer measure, and press as a most
•f unequal- tax upon - the poor man, who would be
ruined by the penalty of 201. whilst his wife and
family would .be driven upon the parish. Of his own
plan it.conld Pot be said that airy. part of it was a
Job. But when they considered the time at which
the present Ministers took measures to court the
Volunteers,• on the 'eve of a General, Election, the
tratisaCtion would have much the appearance of one.
Whatever the Volunteers might do in a campaign
against Bonaparte; they were an effeetual Ministerial
army in an Eletilion campaign.. They were a good
instrument, and the Gentlemen opposite had, even
!when in opposition, played upon it. He looked
upon the destru&mon of the late- system, as having
its full share in the 'objeCt of Ministers in bringing
forward this measure. His Hon. Friend had well
said, that the clause
,introduced into the Bill was of
no use to it ; but was he sure that the -Bill itself' had
not been introduced to receive the clause ? The
whole country was with the system brought for-
ward last, year, and
.certainly one half of it .was
against the present plat). Ministers had been in
office mrety months Without bringing forward this
measnte, till the Session Was nearly over, and many
aeutleriten had lett town-whe Would be 'desirous of
discussing it: But the defeat of the Russians had
produced an emergency to call for the measure, Had
they not sagacity to foresee that event ? Did they
resemble pepons who walk without . apprehension
it .pleasure grounds, till suddenly alarmed, when
they come to what' in military language- is called a
sunk l;miee, but what,„ from the expression of sUr=
prise it draws forth, is commonly called a his .11th !
When they find the emergency, the watch. must be
t called, they spring their rattles, and then follows

the dismantling and breaking up of the Militia. The
ralF,fillw?) if adopted was calculated to treak up all the
:ex4o,FEsthblishMents ; but he thanked God, that.
the system of last 'year had existed long enough to .
haiostr:right judgment formed of it ; and he would
heeatitedto go down to posterity with no, other
-claitens_to 'merit than that afforded, as compared with
the systeins of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite.
Like an eminent Italian Musician, who had a piece .
'of music inscribed on his tomb, of the Dutch Ma,
thethatician, who had a calculation for his.epitaph)
,he.would desire, no other monument as a Statesman
than that system. 'He lamented the rneasura..then
before the House, more from' the effe& it would
have in destroying the existing system, the benefits
of -..which had begun to be felt, than from any cons'.
.dertiotv personal to himself, or his Hon. Friends
:Who'assisted him in bringing forward that sytern.—
W these grounds, therefore, he protested against

theipresetit measure.
The question was then loudly called for, and the
Praffery cleared, when, after a few bbservations from
FRANXLA !qv, against the ;Bill, a division 'took
piace,-"For the third reading, '76—Against it,- 19.--
Majority 67.—The Bill was then read a third time,
and, after some verbal amendments, passed, and

ordered to the Lords.
On the motion of Lord CASTLEREAGH, the Mi..
litia Completion 11111 was read a third time. 'Seve.,
ral Clauses were added to the Bill, for. regulating tl4
manner in which the Fines levied under the 'Bill
should be :disposed of, direaing that Special Con-
stables for taking Lists under the Mt should not be
exempt from the Ballot and requiring the Clerks,
of Subdivisions .to make out duplicate. Schedules of
the Men Ballotted,. of the Men serving by Substi.

tute, and the finesievied tinder the.46t,tO, be trans-
mitted within fourteen days,,one to the Quarter Ses. •
sions, the other to his Majesty's Principal Secretary
of Slate for the Home Department.
Mr, WILBERFORCE brought up a-Clause for'
Allowing tO persons ballotted not possessed of 4001.
~piOpqrty, three-fourths instead of one-half of the
price of a Substitute, to be supplied by the Parish,
whether he served in person, or protured a .Sub.
•Itfloute,
CASTLEREAGH had aoubts of the exPe'
dienoy of the Clause, because there were ten or
twelve Clauses in the Bill, •which had been franaed
on the former arrangement, and should be altered if
the Clause were admitted. He had Minas) objec.. -
Akin to it on a broader 'ground, because it would'
open the fundamental principles of all our Militia
Laws, and tend to encourage the service by Substi,
tute, though he should not have the same objealism '
to the Clause if it was to extend only to the man
personally serving. ,
• Air. THORNTON observed, that the adoptioi
Af thin' Clause would.do, away a considerable pars
of the objeEtion 'which he felt to the measure., The
Clause, however, was then itegatived without. a ail
vision, after which a few verbal amendments were
made to the body of the Bill, and it was passed, an 4
ordered to the Lords.
On the question tbr passing 'the NIL
Mr. PO LE CARET urged the prOpriety
forming a local Militia, not to. be called out 01014
in cases of imminent danger. With this Militia .h!.:
qhould like to see amalgamategl as great a, paili.Ort.
possible of our Volunteer Force.' He should. wish
to see the services of the Regular Militia to. be ex 4.:.
tended to all parts of the Empire. With these
provisions we would be safe against any. poisible in-,
vision, Notwithstandirig, the very general erections
of Fortifications, there Might be many exposed
`pointi.. There should be depots olarnis in centrak
situations, in which a trained population`wobld find
-a rallying point. The Enerny,'if he could assail us,t '
Would bring a force that would require all our- means:
of defence.

• Lord CASTLEREAGH said,. it was the fixed-
ternlination of his Majesty's Government to tank .
their.attenticm to the formation of a large local Wt..,
litia, which was the measure most essential to -the.
Permanent security of the Country. • He 'also pro-.
mired attention to the formation of centyal. depot?..s
With a view to this. objeEt, under the able Adral-.:,
nistration of Lord Chatham at the head of the, Ord":
nonce, a central depot had been formed (at Wee 40....
Beck, in Northamptonshire), • from which great fa"-
cilities to the Military Service of the Country had
been found: In that Noble Lord's Administration
also; a wise system of Defensive Fortification bad`
been adopted in Ireland as well as in England. •
• Mr. SHERIDiIiV bad:great satisfadion in hear'
irig- that it was intended to apply the attention of
9overnment to the amelioration of the. Militia. fie
hoped his Majesty's Gevernment would • at the same .
time turn its attention to the means of rendering the.
Ballot less oppresSive upon the loWer orders of the
community. The Bill was then
.passed..
Mr. SHERILMAY, in consideration of the third
reading of 'the Irish Arms Bill, :and other ittportant
6usiriess fixed for .Friday next, particularly the 00-
tice given by an Hon. Member (Mr. Bankes), with -
a view to, prevent the granting of Offices in Rever- .
sion, postponed till Monday his notice of motion on,
the State•Of Ireland, which now stood for that day.
The Irish Militia- Volunteering Bilf was read 3
third time and passed ; also the Sniuggling Pfeven-.
tion Bill ; also the Silk Duty and Drawback Bill ;
the Bill for Suspending the Drawbacks on the intordi
course in home-made Spirits between Great Britain
and Ireland. The other Orders of the Day were die
posed of.—Adjourned. - .

MAILS.
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impossible to give too rnueb praise. to Govern•
meat for the zeal, spirit; and vigour, which have
attended those important measures,' or to' the cau-
tious secrecy with which they have endeavoured tb
ensure their execution. British valour and enter-
prize must do the rest, and therefore long and gib-
lions experience give us every reason to hope for
Ultimate success.

TUB reje&ion by the House of Lords of the Bill
• , for Prohibiting the Grant or Places in Reversion, has
furnished the Opposition Writerl with a new subject
*for attacking Ministers; and, having 'so little pre-!

tense for censure in general, it is no wonder that
those Writers should eagerly seize the fleeting oppor-
tunity. However friendly we must ever be to any .
Measure calculated to lessen undue patronage, and
obstrud the fair pretension's' of talents.exerted in the
support of our national interests, we shall 'watch

with jealousy any attempt to abridge the just prero-
gatives of the Crown, at all times, but particularly
at the present momeat, when every loyal English.
man is forcibly called upon for a' .zealotis and
.firm attachment to a Nlonardi who has uni-
formly made the happiness of his People the
leading principle of his condu.a. In the ,best
days of the Constitution it was the. aitt,of the
greatest Statesman to uphold the. Royal charader,
and not to divest it of the power to grace and for-
tify itself by the privilege of conferring layouts. Be-
sides, as it has been prOperly urged, the power which
the propoied 13111 was to abrogate Was not a mere
useless privilege of the Crown, but adually involved
a saving to the Pliblic ; for by conferring Reversions
on distinguished merit, there is the less necessity for
granting additional burthens in the form of Pensions.

Yesterday His MAJESTY came to town about
twelve o'clock, and held a private Levee at Ali,:
• Queen's Palace,
which was attended by
The Archbishop ot Canterbury, the Lord Chancellor, the
Lord President of the Council, the •First Lord of the Trea.
btkry, the three Secretaries or State, the First Lord of the Ad-
Miralty, the Master-General dt the Ordnance, the President
of the Board of ContrOul, the Lord Chamberlain, the Duke
of Montrose, the Marquis of Huntley, Admirals Lord Rad-
stock and James Saumarez, Colonel Dalton, Captain Wal.
degrave, R. N. Sir S. Cotterel, and Mr.-H. Elliot. •
The following had the honour of being presented
to iilB MiJEST.Y
Admiral. Sir 'anti Saumarez,' upon his promotion, and -
Upon his return from the Channel fleet.
Colonel Dalton, upon his being appointed to the Corn-
mand of the West Kent Militia.,
Capt,Aln Waldegrave,. by Lord Radstock, upon his being
promoted to the lank, of post Contain; and upon his return
IForn the Mediterranean. = •
Mr. flow) Elliot, upon his bails' appointed Governor of
the Island of Barbarities.
The Marquis of iluntley, upon his going to Sicily.
His MASBSry held a Privy Council, -and gave pri-
vate audiences to the Duke of PoRTLAY.I), Earl CAst-
pert, Lords HAWKS6BUItY, MULGRAVI3,'CASTLE-,
REACH, CHATHAM, and RADSTOLii, anci..Mr. CAN-
PING.
At si,ko'clock his /VIA:ZS/A set old ou his return
'to Windsor,
Yesterday Mr. R. Dotlreas laid before his MA-
JESTY several Letters from the Emperor of CHINA,
describing some superb Presents which the Emperor
las lately tient his MAJESTY.
INDIA Housz.--Yesterday a Court of Diretors
.was held, when the under-mentioned Commanders
took their-leave of the court previona to depafting
'for their respeaiverdestinations, viz. Capt. Hos/sort()
EV.ER, Glory; Capt. Tiros. MAcK.v.sow, Sarah
Aristiana ; for Madras and Beng.d.—Capt.DUGAl:ii
AiIACDOUGALL, Tigris,. for Madeira, Madras, and
-Bengat.—Capt. FitgoLarcx GAILLAIII), VniOil, for.,
'Bombay. di re&.
It is with much pleasure that we insert the fellow-
ing Letters, as they record the merit dour country-
' man. The Gentleman to whom they relate is Mr.
A.t.E.x.AtkinEn GlasoN, merchant in' Dantzic, son of
the late Mr. WILLIAM GIBSON, merchant in Edin-
liourgh.
•
fle had, at an early period before the siege ship-
pad oir all his property from Dantzic, but determin-
ed to remain to give every assistance in repelling the
enemy. During the siege, his exertions were various
and unceasing, and essentially contributed to the
gallant defence made. Since the surrender, the
following honourable testimonials of Lis • conduet
lave been transmitted to him.
No. I.' FIOM Field Marshal th, late Commandant
of I):intzie, to Mr. Gibson.
"You will receive inclosed a Royal Cabinetlet-
ter,-containing his Majesty's thanks for your exer-
tions during the siege of Dantzic. I rejoice very
much that his Majesty does justice to your merits;
and I once more return you. iny best thanks for the
glorious assistance which you gave, me.
" Tilsit, June 9, 1807. KALKREUTH."

No. It. From his Majesty the" King of Prussia to Field
Marshal Kalkrruth.
" My,dear General Field Marshal Count Kai.-
XIIEUTH,...- I have seen, with pleasure, by your la-
ter of the 3d inst. that, during the siege of the for-
tress of Dantzie, not only the Town PreSident BAs,
but more, and very particularly se, the English. titer-
Chant GlasoN, has distinguished himself, by his inde-
fatigable activity for the public good. I have assur-
ed the latter, as he has followed you here, of my
gratitude and royal favoiir for his glorious conduct,
in the inclosed letter, which you will deliver to him
in the name of • •
" Your very affdlionate
" FREDERIC 'WILLIAM."
" Konigsburgh June 6, 1807.
"''l'o General Field M.trshal Count Kalicreuth."
No. W. From his Majesty the Kiug of Prussia to Mr.
Gibson. ,

" His Majesty of Patmsza has learnt,. with the
greatest plea Sure, that the English tnerchatit GIBSON,
of Dantzic, has, during the siege of that fortress,
been very a6live for -the public welfare, and render.
ed thmost essential services : his Majesty, therefore,
gives his best thanks to.Gtasow, for the attaebnient
hF has shown to his person and kingdom, and iiSitll'et
tun of his royal favour.
FREDERIC WILLIAM."
~ti"
Kontgs)urgh,-June 6, 1806.
°the Lags 4lt nicrcliaat Gib4oa, of Dintoc."