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FOR SALE BY PUBLIC AUCTION,
At the Hamburg Coffee-House, Water-lane, Tower-street, on
rtiT4URSDAY, 13th October, 1836, at Twelve for One o'clock,
HE following WINES and SPIRITS, princi-
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old7,°d; 64 cases Champagne, Claret, Sauterne, &c. ; 590 dozens
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HAMBURG, SEPT. 28, 1836.
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101, but several inclosures would by far increase the same. Thus
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tv, Ste would only cause double Postage, but 101. remitted in
f notes, would be liable to a much higher charge. It is there-
Ze most advisable for any Person having to remit Money to Ham-
leghp to forward the amount in One Note; or having to receive
:ley from Hamburgh, to receive the same in One Note, when-
Poss:qale. Of course remittances from Hamburgh to England,
Itaassing the usual amount of One Bank of England Note, may
1,"" be-ma' de in Bills of Exchange, on London.
e,„° save expenses that may as well be avoided, we request our
respondents not to overlook these particulars.
HEINE BROTHERS.

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LONDON,
SATURDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 8, 1836.

at
hevvre find in the Glasgow Chronicle, of 'Wednesday,
Deport of the proceed.;ngs at a public meeting, held
for thepurpose
of
afr enock on Monday last, convened
..
ording WALLACE an opportunity of giving
sttlasehoiostituents on account of his Parliamentary stew-
P, and ascertaining from them whether they
h him worthy to continue their Representative.
e
\VA,."
the majority of the Liberal Members, Mr.
ttrati has nevtr shrunk from a practical demon-
~hi of his cordial adherence to the principles
the e"
he professes. Four years has he represented
has h
ttph constituency of Greenock, and as often e
thereared before the electors, and voluntarily resigned
telbgreat Moral and political trust reposed in him—
eiati In every instance upon their just appre-
t° °f his public conduct for their solicitations
that
41le it. This was proving to the county
1, his
1s advocacy of the repeal of the Septennial Act
lefo„,%t the consequence of a conviction that such a
cellid not be carried, and therefore that he ern-
ti eb-t
whis apparent approval of the measure as a poli-
Peow Ildfold. Mr. WALLACE has shown that the
o I;reahell honestly, openly, and manfully appealed
to rr'; their representatives—when no attempt is made
befoYstifY and mislead them—when facts are brought
the ie) then), and the real circumstances attendant upon
aeith-,"ing of important measures are detailed, are
llore cllPricious in the exercise of their privileges—
ni in their exactions of responsibility—nor
~Qgardi,„ .
Piirth ill the bestowal of the meed of approbation
perfor ased by honest services faithfully and cheerfully
theal course of his address Mr. WALLACE touched
of the leading questions which have, more
the ine 8
a' agitated the public mind since the opening of
°lte4t session of Parliament—Law Reform, Post
iset. 11„
th ``.r.i.eferm, Railroads, and particularly the Reform
e: °use Gf Lords. Mr. WA LLACE informed
''ailed-stittlents that minor differences of opinion pre-
''eat :long the most zealous Reformers upon this
others4-eation. Mr. HumE, Mr. O'CONNELL, and
°Pitlio'bw,4lll he was proud to call his friends, were of
with lq:tnat the reform of the Peers ought to originate
course'lister& Now he was convinced that such a
41, Statii would only overthrow the Cabinet, and re-
Tories in office much more firmly than be-
t/flvlie, "Wides in an assembly of 658 gentlemen, 107
IneaB;
there noblemen or the sons of noblemen, such
4tate of e could not be carried in the present passive
pi e e
Hi
Ithe euntry, the reform
11
Lords s opmnnon was that
1): Men ought to commence with the people.
it t e could carry the measure ; and by them
and bo ° be originated. Let them petition the Crown
to .1 old
the h.,ches of the Legislature—let them prove
~"foroi that they were resolved to have Peerage
tlnd the Lords would be soon compelled to
as
4ei is
perfectly
did
the Reform Bill. Mr. \VAL-
tiI. PlicT H right. The people must reform the
cent
,use as they did the Lower, or it will remain
thi eee
" come as unchanged as it has continued
141 the
e°lllmencement of the present reign. Lord
111)11tits •
the s in his memorable Speech at the close
essio _et; a acknowledged the responsibility of the
ail bu • d
Niel, a oldj
.7 ec ared the Upper House to be
House of the people as the House

of Commons. To the people, then, we say—" Take
his Lordship at his word. In appealing to your
decision, he has acknowledged your authority.
Now is your time to exercise it with effect. The
mouth-piece of the Lords declares the House of
which he is a member, to be your House—to be
amenable to you for its conduct. You have de-
nounced its abuses—proceed boldly, and reform them.
Fear nothing. All power is derived from you, and is
forfeited when exercised to your moral or social detri-
ment." This is our advice to the people. Organic
changes are not to be effected by agents, in such coun-
tries as Great Britain.

We lately inserted an interesting article from the
Spectator, the object of which was to show the rapidly
increasing prosperity and consequent importance of the
town of Dundee, and also to point out the paralyzing
influence which the factious policy of the House of
Lords, instanced in the rejection of the Dundee Water
Bill among others, exercises on the industrial re-
sources of the country.

We accompanied the article copied from our Con-
temporary with a few remarks of our own, tending to
throw light on the secret agency by which a measure
calculated to confer an important benefit on a populous
town had been defeated. The Tories of Dundee, we
stated, smarting under the discomfiture which they had
sustained by the ascendancy of Reforming principles
in the Council, as well as in the Parliamantary repre-
sentation of the Borough, used all their interest to
oppose the plan proposed, and supported by the Li-
beral party, for supplying Dundee with water. And
in order that there might remain no shadow of doubt
upon this point, they selected a Parliamentary instru-
ment whose name is a sure guarantee for every possible
exertion in opposition to Reform and Reformers, while
it is synonymous with all that is base and scandalous
in jobbery—we need hardly, after this description, say
that we mean Sir GEORGE CLERK.

For expressing our opinions so freely on the subject,
we have incurred the high displeasure of the Editor of
the Dundee Chronicle, who has proved two things—
first, that he feels particularly sore on this subject;
and secondly, that a supply of water would be very
desirable in Dundee, were it only to wash away some
of the filth in which it would appear he is very fond
of dabbling, and with which he does not scruple to
bespatter all who come in his way. We cer-
tainly did not state all that we might have stated,
because we were unwilling to inculpate, in proceedings
so discreditable, parties who bear the character of
Reformers. We did not bring prominently forward
the unseemly conjunction of the would-be advocates of
reform with its sworn enemies in a plot, where the pri-
vate interest of the one party, and the public interests
of the other, were to be served at the expense of a large
section of the community.
We shall, however, now waive all misplaced de-
licacy, and proceed, without further preface, to show
that The Sun's too correct knowledge, not its igno-
rance of the case, has prompted the intemperate Dundee
article.

1. We must inform our readers that the Proprietor
and Editor of the paper is himself the agent for the
opposition to the Town Council's Bill, who 'spent
many months in London in the service, both this year
and the last, figured in the Committees of Parliament,
and has a large pecuniary interest in the question.
Hence the difference of tone and temper : , the
article copied by The Sun from the Spectator, was
really what it professed, statistical—dealing only with
broad and interesting facts of a public nature—drawing
them direct from official sources, and stating them in
a calm temper. The Dundee article plunges into little
local and private details, of no interest beyond Dundee
(if interesting even there)—referring to no authority
for them—and stating them in the abusive language
of an intemperate and interested partisan.

P' ,•
2. The Sun and the Spectator stated the case in
its relation to the House of Lords. The details of
the Dundee article, coloured and distorted as they
are, relate almost entirely to the preliminary bickerings
in the Commons' Committee, before, the Bill had as-
sumed the final shape in which it was presented to
the Lords, after all the opposition in the Commons had
been overcome.

3. The politics of Dundee may be inferred (if they
were not very notorious) from the representation in
Parliament. Sir. H. PARNELL has been elected
three times without opposition—the first time, after s
full explanation of his views of a very far-going and
Radical kind, in the face of a meeting of nearly 3,000
people, with the Provost of Dundee in the Chair.
The Town Council and the Member of Parliament
are both alike freely elected by the same constituency.
Yet we are abused for saying that Dundee is a radical
town !

4. Though there were various elements of self inte-
rest, pique and prejudice, as well as politics, mixed up
in the Opposition, it was politics alone that recom-
mended the case to Sir GEORGE CLERK.
We are too well versed in Sir GEORGE'S Parliamen-
tary character and history—in his present vocation
and functions as leading workman of the Tory party
for Private Bill business—to believe that anything but
politics would have induced him to toil and slave as
he did, either for or against a Bill, for a Fart of the
country with which he was so utterly unconnected as
Dundee.

The Duke of BUCCLEUCH is as little connected
with the Dundee district as his cad, Sir GEORGE.
From the appearance he made in Committee, it was
clear that he had not mastered the case for himself ;
but was acting as the tool of somebody.
5. In the division in the Commons' Committee,
of which the Dundee paper gives a bit, we find
voting with Sir GEORGE,
Sir JOHN HAY,
Mr. WORTLEY,

both rank Tories, who attended at his bidding when
the voting came.
On the other side, we see none but stanch Liberals :
besides Sir HENRY PARNELL, there were—

Messrs. HALLYBURTON,
CHALMERS, iOf the county.
MAULE,

LEITH HAY,
SC lIOLEFIELD,
MACLEOD,
OLIPHANT.
Not an individual connected with the Dundee dis-
trict voted with Sir GEORGE on any occasion.
6. The Liberal Members enumerated by the Dun-
dee partisan as voting with Sir GEORGE, did not vote
uniformly against the Bill, but on some nicer points
of opinion and form.
FERGUS, though a Liberal in politics, acted for the
disappointed Joint Stock Company, with some of
whom he is connected in business.

BANNERMAN, ditto, to a certain extent. He
wanted the parties to compromise, not upon the merits
of the Bill, but for expenses.
AVEmYss is full of engineering and other crotchets,
bears a grudge to PARNELL and the Dundee poli-
ticians ; and yet voted generally for the Bill, except on
one point of form arising out of the Standing Orders.
It is useless to go into the little local details of
the Dundee partisan—false, exaggerated, or irrelevant.
To these we oppose the large, intelligible, and zwre-
fittable propositions on which the Spectator showed that
the Lords ought to have passed the Bill.

More last words, and just as dull as ever ! The
Tory Journals of this morning are full of a Conserva-
tive dinner given on Friday last at Northampton, of
which it is not necessary to say more, than that the
speeches made by the different orators, were merely so
many echoes of the leading articles that have appeared
in the Times for the last month and upwards. These
Conservatives are not even original in their absurdities,
which is remarkable, considering the rich materials for
droll sophistry which their eccentric cause affords.

While the apostasy of our Contemporary of Print-
ing-house-square was confined to questions of home
policy, public opinion was braved, insulted—but not

misled by his tergiversations. The perversions and
misrepresentations in which the mis-leading journal in.
Bulged were of easy correction, because the facts to
which they related were known to almost every person
in the United Kingdom. Still the foreign policy of
our Contemporary underwent no change—a fact which
we took frequent opportunities of recording with un-
disguised pleasure. But for the last three weeks we
have observed a sad falling-off in the spirit of our
Contemporary's foreign correspondence, as well as a
decided change in the tone of commentary which
that correspondence has elicited. There have
been but few letters from Madrid lately, and these
have been either remarkably brief, or so very
common-place as not to repay the trouble of perusal.
It was otherwise with the Spanish correspondence of
the Times, before the proclamation of the Constitu-
tion. The falling-off in other quarters is not less ob-
vious, but we care not to enter into details which might
prove injurious to individuals. It is really " too bad"
thus to mislead the country on important questions of
foreign policy, for the mere purpose of exciting an ig-
norant clamour against the Noble Lord at the head of
our foreign affairs. We cannot imagine another mo-
tive, because we do not believe that any number of
Englishmen could be so base as to betray the interests
of the nation abroad for pecuniary considerations.
It is obvious, however, that the Times is about to change
the entire tone of its foreign policy, as regards the
affairs of the Peninsula at least. Symptoms of this
have been daily manifested for some weeks past ; but
not till this morning was the fact so fully admitted as to
defy contradiction. The method by which the
change has been brought about, so as to wear
the outward semblance of consistency, is curious :—A
correspondent, " whose sagacity and means of infor-
mation are considerable"—" whose character is above
suspicion"—and we hardly know how much more be-
sides, addresses a letter to our Contemporary, from the
camp of Don CARLos, which is introduced with a
flourish of trumpets as the precursor to many more
which will follow in due course. As this writer is
so very sagacious—intelligent—observant of what
passes—and honest withal—it is to be expected, that
in the course of his promised correspondence.
a number of new lights will suddenly break in, and
illumine the mental darkness of our Contemporary.
We would almost venture to pledge ourselves that
the "bigotry," " barbarity," " grovelling superstition,"
" sanguinary ferocity," and " barefaced and villainous
assumptions of right," so frequently put forth by the
Times as the most inviting attributes of Don CARLos,
will, before the expiration of another month, be replaced
by all the virtues that constitute the hero, and all the
qualities that add lustre to the gems that encircle the
Crown. To put the people of England fairly upon
their guard, we will make an extract from the letter of
the Times' sapient correspondent :

" I leave this in a few days, with the intention of making a
military inspection of all the provinces, and will communicate
from each of the principal towns the state I find them in, with
the means and resources they possess for carrying on the war.
But any attempt to give any political opinion, or even guess as
to what will be the ultimate fate of affairs in this country,
would only be presumption on my part. On one point only
can I give a decided opinion, and that is, the certain arrival of
Don Carlos at Madrid, if not this year, the next. This asser-
tion is founded upon a military knowledge of the resources, as
well as the comparative merits, of the two parties as soldiers.
In any other country I should be able to name the day that
the Carlists ought to be in possession of the capital; but it is
impossible to be guided by any rule here, for the Spaniards
are unlike all other people, and, should Don Carlos think
it more advisable to remain in these provinces another
year, no one can say how many changes may take
place during that period--a republic, an absolute mo-
narchy, or perhaps the old feudal system revived, each
province choosing its own leader and declaring its indepen-
dence, any one of whom at the present moment are always
prepared to raise its independent banner for temporary pur-
poses ; or, what is more likely to take place than any of the
above, is some three or four of the larger provinces, such as
Catalonia, Andalusia, &c., united with some of the smaller
ones as allies, sufficient to constitute an independent State,
may establish themselves as Governments. The Catalans
have long wished to be separated, that they might force the
rest of Spain to take none but their own merchandise. Such
is the deplorable condition of this unhappy country, that no
calculation can be made as to what will be the result of the
present revolution. I have but one hope, and that rests with
Don Carlos, who with a firm hand, and a strong and honest
Government, may restore the country to peace, and control
these natural tendencies to separation, and so unite the several
districts where there is at present so little similarity of man-
ners, and an opposition rather than a community of feelings
and interests."

The new Carlist Correspondent of the Times is as
remarkable for his modesty as his sagacity. It would
be presumptuous on his part to "guess at the ultimate
fate of affairs " in Spain ; and yet in the very next sen-
tence he foretells the " certain arrival of Don CARLOS
at Madrid," in the course of next year, at the very
latest ! Now, with a knowledge of this fact, no per-
son could be guilty of presumption in deciding upon
the " ultimate fate" of Spanish affairs—unless, indeed,
the Correspondent of the Times means by the arrival
of the Pretender in the capital, his arrival as a prisoner
in the hands of the QUEEN'S Government. We re-
gret that he has left us in doubt as to his meaning upon
this important particular. Though his only hope
" rests with Don CA RLos," and though, in " any
other country he should be able to name the
day that the Carlists ought to be in posses-
sion of the capital ; " yet so strange a coun-
try is Spain so wondrously has it baffled the
boasted sagacity of this writer—that he can only fix
upon the exact number of years in which this great
event must inevitably take place. We have said
enough, however, upon a subject which is likely to be
taken up in a less conciliatory spirit by our Contem-
poraries. We shall rest satisfied with being the first
to proclaim so utter an abandonment of principle.

Madrid Journals of the 28th ult. have been received.
General RoDIL has addressed a letter from his head-
quarters at Buendia to the Secretary of War, in which
he states that he has opened a communication with
Generals NARVAES, ALAIX, and SAN MIGUEL,
and that he can effectually cover Madrid, Toledo, and
Cuenca with his squadrons, without detriment to his
observations on the left bank of the Ebro. The
capital was so tranquil, that MARTINEZ DE LA
ROSA was permitted to saunter about the Prado with-
out fear of molestation. The Government is making
every effort to tranquillize the country.

We have received the whole of the Paris Papers of
Thursday. 'We copy the following telegraphic corn-
munications from the official columns of the ?lo-
niteur

" BAYONNE, OCT. 3.—The Charges d'Affaires of Naples,
Austria, and Sardinia, have quitted Madrid, and arrived at
Saragossa on the 29th ult. Those of Prussia and Russia are
about to follow them. Sanz passed through Cabuerniga on
the 27th, taking the direction of the Asturias. A new batta-
lion has been embarked at St. Sebastian for Cijon. The
Carlists have taken advantage of this to attack the line.
There was a very brisk firing on the Ist, but without any re-
sult. Villareal has returned to Salinas.

" OCT. 4.—The Carlists, wishing to intercept the commu-
nications between the English and the Spaniards, made an
attack on the Ist upon the English, in their position at Alza,
between the Port of the Passage and St. Sebastian, but were
repulsed. The loss on both sides was considerable; between
500 and 600 each is mentioned. General Rodil arrived at
Ruendi on the 25th. Brigadier Alain was still on the 24th
at Villa Robledo, preparing to conduct his prisoners to
thagena.
" OCT. s.—The Ambassador of the King of the French
arrived this morning at Bayonne. Ho proposes to set out.
again this evening fur Madrid.
" PERPIGNAN, OCT. 3, IN THE EVENlNG.—Brigadier Borso
has gained possession of Baceyte, which has been completely
plundered and burnt. The Carlist battalion, of from 4,000
to 5,00 men, maintained itself in the fort. Borso has returned
to Tortosa. The elections of the 21 deputies commenced on
the 2d at Barcelona. _

The attack on the British lines at San Sebastian
by the Carlist's garrisons Hernani, Irun, and Fon-
tarabia was not unexpected by General EVANS. He
was perfectly aware that the Carlists would take ad-
vantage of the absence of the 2,300 troops, sent to
intercept the march of SIMON LA TORRE and
PABLO SANZ into the Asturias, to attack the Legion
with redoubled vigour ; and, very fortunately, he had
taken the precaution to be ready to give them a warm
reception. After attacking his lines at several points,
they were compelled to retire, but without any con-
siderable loss in killed and wounded.

There is no other news of importance from Spain
in these Journals. The following are extracts:—
" Five vessels of the squadron commanded by Admiral
Hugon sailed from Toulon on the 3d of October inst., under
the orders of that officer—namely, the Jena, the Santi Petri,
and the Vile (le Marseille, ships of the line ; the Diligente,
corvette ; and the Alcyon brig. These vessels proceed to
divers ports of Spain and Portugal, to protect our Consuls, as
well as the persons of our countrymen, and also to offer to
proscribed foreigners that refuge and that shelter which

everywhere and at all times the unfortanate of all countries
have found under our glorious flag.
" The Suffrein ship of the line will shortly proceed on a
similar mission to the shores of Catalonia. The Jupiter will
be sent to cruise on the coast of Tunis."
There is no news from Spain in the other French papers of
Thursday. The Gazette de France complains of the renewed
co-operations of the British naval force against the Carlists.
On Thursday the King entered his 64th year, having been
born on the 6th of October, 1773.—Galignani's Messenger.
Count Mole gave his first Ministerial dinner on Tuesday.
The table was laid with 168 covers. All the Ministers and
.the whole of the diplomatic body were invited, as well as nu-
merous foreigners of distinction, among whom were the Aus-
trian Prince Schoenburgh, Count Pozzo di Borgo, Sir Ro-
bert Peel, and the celebrated German Hellenist, M. Tbiersch.
The whole of the party were in full dress. In the evening
Count Mole held his first evening reception, at which Lady
Granville, the Princess Lieven, and Lady Peel were present.
The whole honours were done by the Count alone, as the
Countess ;$ not in Paris, and will not arrive till the middle of
the month.

Prince Esterhazy arrived at Paris on Tuesday evening, but
it is said will not remain over Saturday, as he has instructions
from his Government to proceed without delay to his post as
Ambassador at London.—Galignani's Messenger.

The Messager affirms that the statement of M. Tschann,
the Swiss Charge d'Affaires in Paris, having received an order
from the Directory to quit the capital immediately, is posi-
tive; but that, in consequence of a severe and sudden indis-
position, the Swiss representative has despatched a courier to
Berne, to acquaint the Directory with the circumstance that
compels him to defer his departure. The Messager adds,
that he has already demanded his passports, and will leave
Paris as soon as his state of his health will permit him to travel.
The Revue de Paris states, that " M. Horace Vernet,
who some time since returned to Paris, will make but a short
stay in the capital, and that he has been largely remunerated
by the Emperor of Russia for his preference of that country
to France. A Lieut.-General is said to have been attached
to M. H. Vernet's person during his stay in Russia, and it is
added, that as he wished to visit Moscow, the Emperor lent
him his own relays, by which he was enabled to perform the
journey between that city and St. Petersburgh, in the incre-
dible short space of 36 hours. The artist has also been ho-
noured with numerous proofs of his Imperial Majesty's muni-
ficence, and, amongst others, with the gift of a suit of oriental
armour, enriched with precious stones. The armour in question
was originally in the Museum, but M. Vernet having one day
regarded it with admiration, the Czar, by whom he was ac-
companied, immediately ordered it to be conveyed to his pro-
tege's residence. Paintings to the value of 300,000 roubles
were also ordered to be executed by the favoured artist. M.
H. Vernet is not the only French painter who has met with
hospitality and patronage in Russia, M. Tanneur, a marine
painter, having likewise reaped a plentiful harvest of presents
in that country, and having obtained an order to the value of
150,000 roubles to pain the Russian ports."