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factor that ther-------------"'e would be ro loss
whatever by
the previous
Ins, and the mere standing expenses of the Commission
12ight surely be covered by a -1- or A- per cent. In Scotland the
Commissioners .sf a similar Board-had last year s(nt left in
wished
their hands, having no losses or expenses to pay out of it. He
ished to knem if it was the intention of the Government to
renew the L Jan Act of -I 834 ?
he. CPAANCELLOR of the EXCHEWMA agreed
.tall_a,..t wome. alteration in the charges might be justly and bone-
-4,.a.A1) .-
..7 effected. He meant to give the Commissioners power
Th. ?special cases to lower the rate of iltterest charged to facili-
tine cert.o..n works. He was not able to speak of the certain
te-enaettnent of the Loan Act, but it was his intention to in-
strodnce ri. clause that would e•aable the Board to make a loan
at once (without burdening the borrowers with the necessity of
Making formal applicatior. to his Majesty to lodge security as'
pn
4,t.e?snts w Prtsent) in cases whc they found the property of the ap-
to sho as perfectly re
adequate.—( Hear.) He mentioned this
w his lion. Friend that he was snot inattentive to the
recommenda.tions of the Commissioners ; but he would not
'sacrifice a principle by interfering with the rate of public pecu-
niary transtmtions.
~ Mr. HUME said that it was thought by 'some that advan-
-"ge w°111,21 r4rise to Ireland if Government would advance
lhlmoney thr.lre at a lower rate of interest than ordinary ; but
s Was an error, for if it was allowed that Ireland wanted the
aid of 'npital from private individuals, and it confessedly did,
great danger and inconvenience to the country at large would
arise, by interfering with the rate of their supply, which was
illten times the yearly amount that Government afforded by
use loans. He indulged no bad will to Ireland in the expres-
`s'ion of this opinion, which he felt convinced was the true view
of the case.
Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN was happy to hear that such improve-
'Meets were in the contemplation of Government for Ireland,
but he must enter his protest against the principle laid down
:11 the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that because the rate of
interest was higher there than in England thereto of charge on
the loan should be proportionately high.
BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS.
Mr. HARDY brought in a Bill to amend and consolidate
the several Acts relating to bribery in the election of Mem-
bers of Parliament. He said, that as the subject had already
been SO fully before the House, in consequence of the labours
et the Bribery Committee and Intimidation Committee of
previous years, he felt it unnecessary to accompany it with any
Qi3t,ervat ions.

ROADS IN SCOTLAND.
Mr. J. MAX WELL brought in "a Bill to Inovide for the
better management of the roads in Scotland, supported by
statute labour conversion funds." His r.onstituents, at whose
desire he introduced this measure, coraplained that the collec-
tion of the funds for the support of the public roads were at
present very imperfectly and unequP;lly.made and inefficiently
4PPlied, insomuch that in many cases they were obliged to
Pay a second time, to get the -reads made passable. The Act
by which the selection of tlie trustees of these roads was regu-
lated was as old as the t
.!.me of Charles IL, and the valuation
of land at that period_ (on which eligibility to vote still de-
pended) was altoraether inapplicable, and productive of great
practical anornal-f and inconvenience. The complainants de-
manded severa:i points of reform in the parochial management
of their roar!.s, such as provision for the proper publication of
of the las', year's expenditure and the coming year's demand
hthe atnount to be levied on each householder and labourer_
!e appointment of trustees, collectors, and overseers the
La tof appeal, &c. The evils under the present system were
le
-it to be extreme in some cases.' In a farm of sixty acres in
130 e parish the charge amounted to 31. (or 35.) all acre, and
oil the labourers, who were in a condition littl.4 superior to
Paupers, 4s. each—equivalent to a whole wreles wages there
at present. The Hon. Member here rerd various statements
from correspondents, illustrative of the, bad working of the
Present Road Laws.
Sir A. L. HAT should move as lion of his Hon. Friend, that r an amendment to the !no-
Select Committee be appointed
the existing laws may brato investigate the whole su!,ject, and report to the House how
best amended.
G. Clerk and Mr.
After a few words f.torn Mr. C. Bruen, Mr. Wallace, Sir
, Maule, -
0
th Mr. MA
er XW F 44 L consented to withdraw his motion, and,
appointed. mendin.t having been agreed to, the Committee were

FLOGGING IN THE ARMY.
,„,1%,1r• 1-4.ENNARD rose to bring forward his motion on the
i-„7•ie..,t of corporal punishment in the Army. It was not his
;re'ntion, in so doing, to trencli upon the ground taken up by
'we Hon. and Gallant Member for Bratstaple (Major Fan-
) ; all he wished was, to make an attempt to obtain that
l Information without which it would be quite impossible to cal upon the douse to agree to any enactment upon the subject.
3efbre any Bill connected with thisbrought
question was for-
am
ward, he thought the House had a right to inquire howfartte,°tint of corporal punishment in the Army had been di ni
/"ied, and how far the present military practicedwasin ac-
cor
dance with that milder spirit of legislation mercy,and
Ivilich every year infused a greater portion 'rite. geral
it gislation of the country. It was only a short time since- that
'he House was put in possession of any material upon which to
form their opinion respecting the use which courts-martial
Made of the power, committed to their hands. The first light
Which broke upon the House upon this subject, was from the
liberality and humanity of the Hon. Member for Coventry, and
afterwards trom the exertions of the Hon. Member for Middle-
"x• The returns which had been granted were certainly use-
ful, so far Its they went ; but it was his (Mr. L.'s) wish to go
Much fur‘ther. He wished to show—what he believed was the
fact—that when a man was once flogged, it was found ne-
cesasary to flog him repeatedly, until, in fact, he became a s'..nt
e,A.fr'gging brock,--(Hear, hear.) Not unfrequently it ed to
the loss of health, and was assuredly a source of moral comp_
..."---(Hear.) The substitution of hard labour P:ad solitary
, wfinernent, would be attended with the e.
test
advan-
,3ig!. In an early part of the session he In•A given notice
„.- ' Motion for a return of the names of persons who
ion
-ere .
•,„ subjected to corporal punishment,
till,ea and the nature of the offence for 'and the number o#'
which it had been in-
Do-c'e, d• This return would enable him to trace the course of this
' -4113hMent from its cause to the eject it produced, and would
"able the House to say whether
„enntinue. Finding, however., that theft ought to be permitted to
production of this
return Would be attendee," 'with considerable expense, and
that in moving for it he ,,would have to encounter consider-
li- ? °PPosition, he cont'mted himself by moving for a more
il!lilted return—a spee'.fication merely of, the number of sol-
l'ers who had been r,,unished, and the number of times they
This
suffered either imprisonment or corporal punishment.
approximate, ti•
ms would enabile him, if not to accomplish, at least to
_tlfieus for the,
tell:Pointed to .e object he had in view. He was also very
production of the report of the commission
•aterlaite
'inquire into this subject, for he doubted. not
rne ra:et! of Which it would put the House in possession must
did i influence their judgment upon this subject. He
notthose . mean, in any respect, to disparage the judgment of
h si xbo differed from him in opinion upon this subject, but
4,- ,ould be allowed to observe that the opinion of military
fl, 't upon the propriety of abolishing the punishment of
}„,iging in the army was by no means conclusive.—(Hear,.
`ztr) Theyhe feared, wedded to it with something
tlf th were, •
;to e prejudice with which men look upon long existing cus-
,vs, and this was strengthened by the mutual confidewee
04" ch they entertained, that in the hands
of imbers of 'their
It tt Profession the power would not be likely to be a,
1,
bused.
111.1%l ;as curious, but not • the less true, that when Sir S. 0-
brurious, S
Sofought forward his celebrated proposition fer the miti-
s""
the penal code, the chief opposition lie encountered
% from the judges of the land.—(Hear, hear.) In New
lladthlt, Wales, two or three years since, 'an Order of' Council
than On issued, ordering that no nean should receive more
Peal m"3" lashes. It was then said that this order must be re-
nod,`"---•that it would be quite i:mpossible to govern the colony
heredr this system. The Co anvil, however, very properly ad-
-04 ,-,' to the order, an '.l the colony has been ever since going
(1 1i,3,. well as ever.-,..(Hear, hear, hear.) Such, he had no
lic'ti-o-ti" would be t:ne effect, not of a mitigation, but of the abo-
hesl.-I°l the r,anishment of flogging in the. army.—( Hear,
lgoer" cr,isle Rouse had too long allowed its judgment to be
e posse„ - -',.r- those who, from their profession, were supposed
-d,
"Welr :3' k particular knowledge upon this subject.
opinions of
cohere ''', of acting under the influence of the opini
NI,-.,;',. 1-,ot best course for the House to adopt would be to
in it'''. the greatest possible number of facts, and e-uided
Ito,. 'll' decision by them.--( Hear, hear, hear.) Whben the
ta•,„lB° Was about to renew the Mutiny" Act, or that
.part of it
it •tr ?ting
flogging in the army, he trusted they would feel
Tvetelr duty to inquire into the circumstances connectledt 'la
piaeeY infliction of this punishment which had recent.y. ken
rs
‘vould lie trusted that the report of the Commissioners
tiork Put the House in possession of much valuable informs-
viiro,ivltlt,otnotatililisy
asbuobljiseheet,d,and would induce them to interfere to
W, e that cruel, sanguinary, and in many cases fatal punish-
andbreplaced by some system less re. Peolelg to humanity--les.s in opposition to the feelings of the
fnir,PdTer these countries. If any doubt rested
. upon the
Imprehe anY Honourable Member on this subject, it. would, he
re
th, e tided, Honourable removed by the circumstances detailed before
the e:reneri inquests which had recently sat to inquire i
nfil7e! c`f the deaths of two marines who had died after
The jetton of corporal punishment.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
the k'°n• Aiernber - concluded by moving 011",:t.sItnent or
I,ll_,,tsnirriber of soldiers who have suffered either corporal
imprisonment, and whenever either corporal
11,1!8'. innent or imprisonment has been inflicted on the sna
so
isflie'tnedrnore than once ; specifying how often it has been
ilir. c u.,
e'ost • "TEIS, though he had from time to time paid the
iti de fen attention to all the arguments that had been urged
hat the ° of flogging in the arm was still stron of oinion
4naicte.Pun'.shment outfit not to, y gly
pbe allowed to be any longer
41lowe'•In time of peace it ought not most assuredly to be
say to reMajn,
14,411, far it though he would not take upon himself to
mi be useful in time of war, with an army on
ket,”.Ber.vice. His
. object in rising was to move as an amlednhcle
hp ob,k:_°..the adoption of which he apprehended there won
v 4„Ton), the insertion of the words---" What the sentence
/vir, "u what was its effect when put into execution."
had *; C• FERGUSSON was sorry Ithat his Hon. Friend
„(.140. tight it necessary to go at such length into the subject
the rat'r•Y fiognin. He (N 1 F r usson) had come down to
i, ~,ous,.. _ b
.b• . r. eg .
.r ale ' supposing that his Hon. Friend would merely move
tiueti returns of which he had given notice, and to the pro-
file "°I which he had, not the slightest objection. As
eonl_sukiect of corporal punishment in the army would
thoZiregularly under the consideration of the House, he
Inotie4 not then enter upon it, but confine. himself to the
Product. f the Honourable Nlember, which was for the
Production , lml of certain returns. There certainly e
the
tr ensidcrable difficulty in distinguishing, in these return,
it wasulther of times corporal punishment was inflicted, where
do ,!flicted more than once. With respect to an observe-
son) kmch had fallen from his Hon. Friend, he (Mr. Fergus-
the ili'egged to observe that there was nothing whatever before
any
,aostise to
warrant his assumption that death bad been, in.
rehe„,e, Produced by flovingthe contrary, he ap-
nued, when the returnbwas made out, it would be found