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on'this point heforc Parliament devicted. Cir-
cumstances' (tact greatly changed since 'last ses.
.sicw, with regard to. .the condition of the Pope ;
with regard to the resolutions of the Catholics ;
and with rev,ard to the opiniojts of the Irish Pro-
testants; ,Uuder these eiretunstances, he could
not a!,,,ree that it IV-aS possible to fulfil the words
of the resolution, and reconcile all parties. On
the contrare, he thought that acceding to it would
dpi infinite mlichief, hy tending to keep alive re-
ligiUus disputes, Rile' he ti e.refore gave the pro-
positi-on 1.3 s ninst decided negutive.
Mr..JAMES S:11-rn spOke in favour Of the claims
,of the liwilan Ca':holies. He was glad that all
the which had been presented to the
Douse had breiJhed
,a spirit:of tedeVatiou. But
when so great an authority as Mr.. Locke had ex-
presSed that the Catholics should not he tolerated,
it ought to teach Many persons to regard their
own opinions with Some degree- of modesty. The
time had come, when, to borrow the language of
a Right Honourable Gentleman opposite, there
was teirtium nulturn ronsilium. .If it was not
proper tot grant.' to the CathOlies those conces-
sions which they required, it Would beperhaps
better to re-enact those statutes -against them
which had on a former occasion been repealed.
•In answer to the' objection of, the inconsistenCy
of having ,Catholic Ministers while' the Crown
was -eSsentially7Protestant, he would desire 'the
persons who urged that argumerit to. look to
Russia, where they might see the plans of a Pro-
testant Minister' carried into execution by a Ca-
tholic General (Count Witsgei&eiti). Hail Mr.
Pitt been alive, he was convinced that he would
have been the ablest advoeate of the Claims 'Which
the Catholics then ur;!_,.,,ed. It Would be the busi-'
tiesS of the Committee (Which he hoped would
be appointed) to consider the nature of the secti,;
rity which would be recplired of the Catholics.
Lord OAITLCREAGii (amidst loud cries of
Question:, question! Choir; chair," tic.) -now`
rose to propose on adjournment ; but
Mr. COVIVTENAY spoke in favour of the claims
of the Roman Catholics.
On the motion dl Lord CAszztarAGu, the De-
bate was then adjourned tilt This Night.
Adjourned' at Half 'Past :Three o'Clock This"
Morning.

-land. Neither bad he spoken of the TeSt and Cor-
:.pOration Acts as the bulwarks of the ConFtitri-
tion,:,:bot as the bulwarks of the' tstablishM
Church. Qn,the main question he agreed in many
partiettlars
,with the Honourable Gentleman.—
The ,question had ever struck him- as one not of
toleretion, for we. did tolerate the Catholics in the
free extecise of their religion ; but of policy, for.
we disabled them 'from possessing, power, unless
they gave assurances. that it should.. not .be turned
in hostility against our establishentcnt. If assured,
thi;i, he Nvoald repeal the disabilities (donee.
But we were by law a Protestant State, and this
wits a fttutlamenti.d principle of the Constitution
which it was idle and ungatoryto state, las theßight
Hutt. Mover proposed, in die preamble to a Bill/
lye were not ohliged to him for offerhig to de
glare the Act of. Settlement and the. Bill of Rights
in the preamble to a modern Act of, Parliament,
This being, the case, the onus probcorai lay on
those who wished to disturb the fundatu'entel'prin-
cipie. It was enough foe. hint to say,—here are.
the laws, and here I rest ; I will not change till
you give light upon.the subject, and slieN me that
rescind ancient and fundamental laws with,:
out. injory or ot lupe. It would be ridictilotts,
too, to rescind them;. as affecting the 'Catholics
oit'ey ; if done at all, the Act must he extended
to our Protestant Brethren ttf every descrip,
tier). He . was never one of .those whO sup-
posed this could at no time take place. He was
not an advocate for everlasting exclusion ; but
said, shew'methe proper time and season, and I
will grant what toe th.eiire. But he did, not tint k -
that could he done with. safety at thishour. The
Itie-,ht Honourable Gentleman then went into
hiStery of the e.'nfearmirS used to bring. about
on atangemeet in 1791., and the
,eaose of the
th, lielieecil they nevet could stic'
ceed, tulles; theyoeot the Pope to , agree to
1110difkatiOD5 ; and as there was no
probability ote achieving this itt the present sea-,
eon, he could see no good, but rather harmein
ing int() it Committoe„ There W 45 no probabili-
ty of a favourable conjoncture, such as they had be-
fore enjoyed, and suffered to slip without coming
to it satisfactory adjustment. The influence of the
Papal See over the Cburcb of Rome was immense,
and the influence of the 'Clergy ove,- their flocks
undiminished, and while this was the case, he could
not bring himself to relax further in the securities
with which the Constitution was surrounded.—
in proof of the influence of the. Clergy, he no 7,
tieed two instances, the, one in England, Where
thrtts Apostolic Vicars 'procured 'a Committee
(and themselves tsliewed the example) to retract
fromllteit solemn signature and protestation ; and
another in Ireland in the case of. the 'S winch
the Catholic Laity luttl Unanimonsly 'conceded, till
they were'called to an opposite determin.."ttion by
their Bishop Boonaparte's aoxiety on the sub-,
ject was a :leaf proof of the power of the. Pope;
event though his elave- arid prisoner, and the pains,
this eldest' Son :of the Church, and successor to
Charletnagre had recently taken with regard to
wunittAtion' of B'nlhops wl,s a let,solt that
might lint to be lest npcm uS. The Right Hon.
t ent. then woot iuto., docattmetts to she oe deo, the
netneal of the paten see, sanctioned by theyope.
at\il eeted now: he all Cathid;es!;, prollounce;l marri-
bebeta in horror by diet:lot:eh;
aed that the oatbs•of fe.lelity could never be nl-
lowe.:1 to he taken neliinitelly to nomerehs ottt of
the vela: of their content eity, Ile was not satis7
feel tltr't eve:! the Bishops or Clergy of Ireland bed
teheo their eeCte; ; and many Gentlemen knew,
teeit ;:.ete.e.,-:.".yae it thiS hOltr, Csl:4)llloll,lliiCAtte
cAiiitjd e",* 411 lUtel'diet by Pipe. The
wa,i like a filftSk :'';tit tire) taces ;
sve. the it;.ligio laic!. and the religio
ildVue,4lC!' 01. the, t:'ol..he.l.2entiA tO•say, that the
Noblemen and Gentlemen, noun the former,
Were little attcheil to the Pope's F.etnreinaey, and
let her inflict d to their tenete, to., it point of ho-
limn', Bat with the rereeio deli Wl3 a different
ti,ltint and he helieVvt! ;111 e;00d C.lthol.lon
thewsele.es onitble to get oet of theee trammels.
'elle new Mats that httd been mode known, and the
new circionstimeteevhieh bad rise!), suite passing
the rceolution Of. last Seesioo, 'Avert! conclustve
ti?v!ticiSt going lot() a Committee.. IV' itopcfl some
• t
totitatant a. ales 'oleo • arise to permit of their.
neekino, eonccssion nately ; but thin was not the
time, °fie had ever thought there was to danger
in the l'Opt•po:,,sesed of authority at Home, titan
in, the Pope, powerless and degteided as lie was
descrileed re bo, in the hls;vfii of Builoptirte,--„1.
In the for4ter 4104 i somethitte toie, eht • M fMCU-
!' ; lit 'the latter, nothing satisifactory-,ip-
- ,n to be. ...tell...in their reach. For the Pipe'
Was nuts' the pensioned slave of ArgreateSt-enemy,
and the :nest te4e.erebbe tyrant the world ever saw,
did it was e impossible, relms existaulibus;.
to comae to :!1-sy -errangement with bite), ;and
is nit
out seele arrangement, every thing to „be done
With the Catholit, of Ireland was vain and iinga—
thry: 'lt' mete., seid., we , had eoneedtal so witch,
tliat little of netirieg was left .to give, and we
were. roil telnneri lot witilhOhhl,l4 that which only
itTiration. lie was riot of this way of
Charili.ing, and eonfeseed, for one, that he dreaded
d leger froin a Catholie Party introduced into
that House, grott.ing strotg ; and. actine
gether with oiie. object in view: 'they
what .evett a'' small patty rebid effect in this
Way. As for the complaint of the depreciation of
Ott.' characters, who was to blame for. that 1.1,
They must blame themsel vesebecit use, ifthey Would
persist in aekno%vledging a foreign sepreturiey, they
li;td no right to the 84111V,privilcze with those wfio
(ii;slvor,red it. Tbey could not so INC tWO nuisterg.
They pttid only half allegiance, awl were 0n1.,v half
to our Lord itod.King. 'I `hey nett, not
eitizensiike the otheri and could ootrexpecs to
-eikin:;.tli• same privileger.. They woOd not how
to the House of -,11..-Unswiek, while to petty Italian
Prelates awl it/anions Councils they Avire abject
Alyce. Let thetis 311;112.! 44 this! yoke (not abjure
thus religion), :Inn tot eXpect UR to give wey to
-them while bleu flishops at•e under foreign
and heietile :direction. It Waft to aid them In
extricatitig
,themlelves from this saieeticot that
the,- College of ii,'%.e.laynontli waS .establislied and
till they fecal thimitelve3. front foreiet- chum
knatioe, he, for one, nevi' could 'titssent to their
Claim* He culled - fora previous declarution

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