The Sun.
London, England, 1807-01-22 00:00:00

[PRICE SIXPENCE,.

vas not intended to app y to t )e.men then servin.
the system of discharges at the end of, seven and
fourteen yearS ; but that the men who were entithq
by haVing,served so long, were to have. the increas-
ed proportion of pay and allo‘vauce. In a subse-
quent discussion the 'Right- Hon -Gentleman had"
stated, that it Was intended to discharge the tn&tt.
who had served el years with full pensions. liw
wished to know whether this intention had been
carried inth effe& ? Whether:the' men who had
served 21 years were discharged, Or still retained in
service ? if they were retained in service, whethet
it was voluntary, ? and if it was voluntary, whether
they had the increased advantages of pay and allow-
ances? and also if they had been discharged, whe-
ther they had the full pensions ?
Mr. Secretary BIN DHAM said, it had been„jtt
contemplatinn at the prod alluded to by the .&oble
Lord to-discharge with full' pensions the men 'Wh
had served 2 i years. His own oilinion as to a
propriety of that proceeding was still the same. But.
it was a point that •rested,with the discretion of hi;
Majesty's Government generally, and; which had n t
yet been decided upon. The men who had seri'ea
that period of time had not demanded their dis-
charges, they, of course, remained still in ih? ter-
,vice, having all the: advantages of pay and allow-
ances which the vote of last Session grantel.

On the-motion of the SECRETARY at WAR,.t7le
House went into a Committee-of Supply, to which
were referred the Ar.my Estimates, presented by the
Secretary at War, on the 14t1i instant, and the ESti-
mates of the Barrack. D,epartment, and the Com-
missariat, presented by Mr. Vansittart on the 14th
instant,
The SECRETARY at WAR said, that as the Es:
timates he had to move were, with very few excep-
tions, made conformable to those of the last year, it
would not be necessary for him to trespasS upon the
House at any considerable • length,. in stating them
minutely, nor to detail the particular items cf
charge. In • the multiplicity of services comprehend-
ed in the Estimates, sonic variations in the charges
must of courseoccasibnally occur, But the variation
upon the whole, was small. The di ereoee was,
in'point of.'number.iof men, 5284, and in point of
charge 9 i 761. There was thus an excess in this year,
but still there 'was a nearer coincidence that in any
other two years. It. was only where the variation
was considerable that he should take any particular -
notice of it, 'leaving the less Material poinrs to be
explained afterwards, if any Gentleman should
wish for particular information about 'them. The
scale of the establishment was nearly the same as in
the last year, beino• at the rata of ssers flees ss.se4e
incur fur cavalry : and of battalions of 1200 men,
1000, 800, 600, or 400, for the infantry;according
to the a&ual strength of the corps, as nearly as it
could be estimated. He should Consider the two first
Estimates, that of guards and*garrisons, and that of
the Plantations tog-ether, as Comprising,the whole of
the regular army at home anti abroad. , On this item
there wes„an increase of 241,537 i. This was a con-
siderable increase; but it, was owing
.principally ty
the establishment Of one newssegiment of foot, the
101st, which the oelY one of the Irish regiments
ordered to be raised-some-time since, that had been
completed. There was alSo six garrison battalions,
composed of the men raised under the Defence Aa,
who had not volunteered for 'general service. Gen-
tlemen were aware that no farther proceedings were
to be had under-the Defence At after the last year.
These battalions were instituted to receive the men
from the second battalions, Who. would erepge for
home service only. _ There were besides trti veteran
battalions, the corps for garrison 'serViee in Canada,
mist the .corpscalled the Royal AfriCan,part of which
wAS its Africa, rind part in the West Indies ; and to
the latter of which an addition of two companies
was made. There were alsO, 11 companies of St, i-
haus attached to the regirueiata at present in Sicily,
commanded by British Officers. It
.was expetteti aunt
raising this force wouldattach the natives to the Bri-
tish StandardS, and that it would .reeder their aid
available in the best aspssible manner. There was an •
increase of the Staf
,for foreign-Service,
whiCh had arisen from the Expeditions that had been
sent out. • There was an increase in the Commissk-
riat from the same cause ; and there was an addi-
tional charge of 110,0001. for the increased pay and
allowances voted laSt year. The total amount of the
increase was 439,7321. The amount' of decreaSe, to
be deduCted, was composed of the 25th dragoons,
in India, and the waggon train reduced to four com-
panies, and seven battalions ef.infantry ; the reduc-
tions on Which amoUnted.to 81,7711. There was a
saving of 30,0001. in the transport of troops:fret-1i the
Irish EstabitshMent. 'When the amount of this de-
crease was dedufted, there would remain a balance of
increase, of 241,5371. The next branch of the Esti-
mates was the public departments, in, which there
was an• increase of 44,2221. Of this 40,0001. had
arisen on account of the Auditor of the ,Exchequer,
for Exchequer bills, to -make good a deficiency-Of
20,0001. frem last year, and the remainder' fi- cur..'
rent service. The charge of a number of Offices
had been taken from, the artily extraordinaries, and
included in these Estimates. Of these offices that of
the Commander in Chief amounted to 75601. There
was also the charge of the Quarter Master General's
department that of the Adjutant General; the In-
spe&or General ,of Recruits ; the Army Medical
Board ; the office of the Judge Advocate ; and the
Comptroller of the Army Accounts, making 44,2221.
The next increasearose fromahe arrangements adopt-
ed last Session -with respe& to the Out-Pensioners of
ChelSea. This increase was 114,1711. The, next
Estimate was one on which several debates had takers
place, the Volunteer Corps. Gentlemen would, he
was sure, hear with pleasure that under this head
there was a saving of 248,5041. without any met
diminution of numbers. Tile 'dimieution of charge
would have amounted to 368,0001. but for the cir-
cumstance of its having become necessary to keep
the corps in certain parts of Ireland on permanent