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tent:leular operation of these laws also was deserving of attetinie.
(41r,.at.___o. Ily including within them an insult to the religion of ,
Jur,.
,11, these laws became an insult. to the highest, and an in-
thei to
the lowest, of them all. This furnisliietil anisanstsiveesrtiotiol
Iv_ rtiost hacknied of all sophistries, viz. : tva. th.
0 a,, whether Mr. O'Connell should have a silk gown ;qor_ four
t
t-hefive Noblemen. should have a seat in that House? Did not
1, Poorest priest see his religion trampled under foot ? He
a.'?d that it would not again be said that the I opiali C,leirt,e7.p.
el re averse to the dissemination of the Scripture 1
t etel onended that they should not be extended withouts.
siti.
freer‘e,t.tion. Upon this point lie would read them a sent,..i.ct„
Col high authority :—" Have those. persons" said the writer,
tx`° hoin bibles are distributed, either leisure_ or ability to
pound some of its text. Then must they not learn from iii-
borr ors some
some kind, and can there be a better thafniltilire
4°45,...0f common prayer." This was not the language of pre-
, late
i7ce,ney or Mr. O'Shauglinessy, but of a distinguished
n'Le Church of England. His sincere advice to theiiisi:
taeifdan'es who were sent to Ireland was to use the language o
then ess and favour to melt down prejudices, and not to make
pen_selves be regarded as emissaries of the. enemy.. The only
Cat}:4'?ent danger of Ireland was the continuing to refuse.. the
need"°lle claims His age and the circumstances of his con-.
a With ,'
tipeaki hn the cause, gave him the unenvied privilege of
Ira, ,ng what he thought with perfect freedom to others. He
areas°amid to point out that if the principles which. marked this
thure continued in operation, there were many that‘ House '
efatilwould bitterly rue it.—(H ear, hear !)—I t wasu.lth.ed_oc(ttriiense.
a 0 ,i,elttY that the Catholic question was not a principal k.
The- lies "Majesty's Ministers—it was a secondary.. question the
r,_,
,pacirication of Ireland was a secondary question with .
twint eitlet !--(14
'sear !)—lf it were not so how would they main_
tnentheir alliance? They were not less cordial in their agreet-
As tf:,.n that account, nor more hostile in their disagree.mti:iini
s.
whoii; a: uovernment pledged to resist the Catholic tilt. it_ie ,
' Ywilaeirt
(lit Was imossible in his opinion to imagine,,.i
Rightl I
on'Attorreaills of
any thing more absurd. lie
?Pealcharacter 'the fancy,or Ireland had told them that he would :
to the House as a jury whether he had abandoned his
bargain entering the Cabinet as lie had done without any
as to the question : and he must confess he had b,...._rnt
.of hey surprised at the cheers which attended
Mackintosh)
flea
' ahoo,l,Bneech upon these topics. He (Sir J. .&A ,„nt lie ought to have stipulated upon this subject, denti-
't as it was with his genius and fame. And if lie werei to
challtn
th Ri e some of the jurors as partially returned,. he
majoritythught
oft ti, got non Gentleman would find the unbiassed jl
—e Rouse of opinion that suck ought to have been his conduct.
Iflale CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and Mr. NoRTH hae. t the same moment. The Chancellor of the Exchequer
ving given way,
_Alt. vil
reas-1/4'RTII declared that his opinion of the present
ure was, that it. would advance the cause of the Catho-
floe .131'„ an, d efface from it the stigma which the violence andl
°' some inefficient men had cast upon it. The Hon. and
I,,,rened Gentleman who had just sat down, had promulgated
.a
bateat number of general principles, to all of which he assentett,.
I,oensidered that lie failed when lie came to the application of
1. There lie shrunk from the true question before the
th-ake, and intrenched himself behind the strong bulwark of
ileou-"tin)lic Cause. if it were admitted, that the Commons
°fspi„it3e f Parliament represented the people according to the
th t
the Constitution, he thought it must necessarily follow
t.au-staAnY other assembly, professing to represent the people,
quest."' a violation of the Constitution. This, then, was the
how' .°a as regarded the Catholic Association. He cared not
r,ot it was elected, nor by whom, whether it was voluntary or
ta-ti,,s loaf as they were afterwards confirmed the represe.n-
chiP of tie people. It was indifferent to him how the mis-
rot,,,,,errie so that it actually existed. If any stranger were
40111-,,,in his. house in actual possession of his property, con-
to itlung his servants and threatening his life, lie would not stop
windature whether he was let in by the door or got in by the
Catholic°‘F but proceed at once to eject him. So if he found the
the Association seducing the affections of the people from
,d,,,,F,gitinaate object of the Commons House of Parliament, be
Ar_ultt consider himself called upon to sess them. Now
:flad, I O'Connell told the Association he did not care for tbe
ow, it was the substance he looked to, and that they pas-
essed. "Do we not," said he, " represent the people ? Ask
_thelpriests, ask the people who. ay their inoney, mid look at the
"Inbers enrolled !" It was a question whether this state of
things was notattended with imminent danger to the peace of the
country. He knew,that 10,000/. or 100,0091. rent was very little
o_pro, cure Emancipation ; but the question did not rest there.
alluded
edgedreatest evil had escaped the attention of the Ilouse. He
_,!l to the Catholic Rent. Every meting on that subject
was a minor association, held in every part of the country.
Those meetings were in the abodes of persons, in chapels and
';2ll•'.t ntparts, where the conductors were not under one censor-
a3 ot the press. This lie considered a great evil ; the meet-
_s,.vtere under the superintendance of the Catholic Priest.
the'll In Dublin all went out publicly. It was circulated in
akt,,°untry, and came back dark and poisonous. One was a
pool :rem! of religious rancour, the other a turbulent whirl-
he 'skt. political animosity. From the disposition of his mind
Pulatruld be the first to excuse the ebullition of a po-
the ~, assembly, but there was something in the debates. of
14, a•tatholic Association which applied to the darker periods.
ciau.e, e had bearaThings done which some of the Catholic Asso-
He"o did not feel conscientiously to be their own sentiments.
whiein ely Mr. O'Connell, and was sure there. was something
ot. t, governed that gentleman and told him all the measures.
aterYle Association were not those he could support. Ilini-
preeea'; masters were placed above him. It was stated in the
itte(ontia of the Catholic Association that all were of one
Iphat Vt as that the case? There was emulation in violence.
_,
The-A was cool and temperate to-day was violent yesterday.
la 1 'Lssociation next year, if suffered to exist, would be inure
its°,l,e4t than this. He might ask, whether the proceedings of
3Wteitrue-JeoLillah_e_rs Were in accordance with the principles of the Con-
change or fluctuate as they might. their measures
ptiva`nose of irritation. Their aim was to vilify ever y man in
The te.life whom they considered hostile to their objects.
cases I.t'ght Honourable Secretary for Ireland had stated two
char in which there had been a most outrageous attempt to
to „ge a person with murder,
and a soldier with a disposition
casr°eure unlawful oaths. There was an acquittal in both
• cases ' An Ilonourable and Learned Gentleman said those
!I,uitterpe'ved nothing. How did it happen they were
_ac-t
It truth' Why, truth, as it generally is, was apparent, to
cotiv, . had not been distinguished, and there had been, a
bee action, what would the prosecutors have said? . It had
that assumed there was a mal-administration of justice, and
therethheAnstitution had proved. a che.ck upon it. He dented
at th hail been any mal-administration. He had practised
sh_ p Irish liar since 1811, and from the acquittal Doctor
man,he7 down to the prosecution against Mr. O'Conn,ell,
14 tlnever known a perversion of justice.—(Hear, hear .)—.
the egged the House to attend to the recommendation of
told great advocate of the Catholic Association. Cobbett
a tat,he Catholic Association two months since to draw up
plaint:pent of the acts of oppression of which they_ 9mr-
ld,
theyf they gave that statement to the people of Ent,-
That would attend to it more than long spe.eche,si--
act 4 was sensible advice, but they did not attend to it. . het.
the,ei oPpression had no foundation but in the wicked plana of
of ac who fabricated them. The Member for Limerick
:night n oppression. Had he named any ?. It was sa.lusgotle they
tiot, 07tain tranquillity through the medium
too (v.,_ut admitting that to be so, would not the Parliam.ent pay_
hands t for it? Was it not putting an iron sceptre. into the
quip „c°l' the Association, and a reed in the hand of the Mar-
lin:4h je`rt:nWs.ellesley. II: would not accept tranquillity on
The voice which called for peace with deadly
PreseT, f a fellow man was unnatural. It was impossible to
With ‘e Peace by working on the best feelings of Ireland.—
saia iresPect to Orange Lodges, of which so much had been
able' ilie very name of Orangemen implied every thing detest-
idea, 'f'. the opinion of the Catholics. It was a cloak in their
by tk or every thing odious. Ile might fairly presume, that testaunet term Orangemen- the Catholics of Ireland meant Pro-
be trap As against the Orangemen they said they could not
knew thquill but cherish against them eternal enmity. He
the. t_tiere were some who would resist such sentiments, but
tialie„",' not come forward to contradict such outrageous sen-
or higsta•
ancient
Killeen had come forward in a manner worthy
Cath iancient house and noble name. He was surprised other
tea, "e Noblemen and Gentlemen did not come forward to
count their cause from such hands. In his opinion his fellow-
-1141
Ynlva would never obtain their object whilst they conti-
hear 1)0 hold towards Protestants a feeling alienative.—(Hear,
could --Y holding out the right hand of conciliation they
lie A MilY hope to succeed. It had been said the Cacho-
ser;.sociation was a counter association. He denied that as-
-111411°n• When did it come forward ? Not before the Orange-
was were discarded by Government, and the arm of power
ran rants discarded
to crush them. If the Orangemen should again
L
wo,),:ott . which Heaven forbid, the disorder which might ensue . be occasioned by the acts of the Catholics. The bible
3°eletie
ta,,_ 8 had been charred with being the cause of the out.
th,gcs on the part of the association, but no man who knew
4,.e,ee.xcellent and exemplary manner in which those Societies
,'.(1% could give the least credit to such a statement. The As-
uciation should b iii down by force, and unless the Catholics
Wlshed to el) '
,not keep coals of fire on their own heads, they would
•Leetto onnose the good feelings of their Protestant fellow-sub-
!.. gaving declared his sentiments on this important sub-
deprived "i he should return to Ireland, where he knew he might be
of the regard and esteem of many who should, not-
`4l%_,,,tleisrtanding, receive his esteem, though their sentiment!!might
,1L . from his own. He saw the necessity of supporting the
Tl, because he would keep up the spirit of the Constitution—
(Hear hear !)—that part of the Constitution which made Par-
liament the sole authority for laws, because it kept up the dig-