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ter., With respect to the observations on what he
termed an odd cirCumstande, that the Secretary
should, in -any case, be acquainted with that
which was notN known to one of the Lords of the
Treasury, he had to remark, that it was not sur-
prising that he, whose business it was to receive
and _register ;letters coming to the Admiralty,
should, in, some instances, be more •conversant
with their substance than one of the Lords, who
had only heard them read over to the Board. The
ship-which Capt. Barclay had'fought, was not a
King's ship---it was not one Ivith which the
Admiralty had any .thing to do ; it was not
commissioned by the Admiralty, nor till Cap-
tain Barclay's-letter was received, Iva:4 it known
that he was on board of it. With respect to
the equipment of the flotilla, he had only to
say he knew nothing of it. It was not composed
of his Majesty's ships, it was•rgot manned by•his
Majesty's seamen, it was not supplied with his Ma-
jesty's
ordnance,. nor was it at all under the direc-
tion
of his Majesty's Admiralty. It had been
asked why had not the letter of Captain Barclay
been produced on his trial ? •ile had only to say, •
that he, (Captain Barclay, had been assisted to '
gain evidence in every possible way before the
trial came on ; but it was not for the Admiralty
to .dictate to Captain Barclay what line of defence
l►e should take. It was perfectly open for Capt.
Barclay to produce that or any other letter that
lie thought fit to bring forward ; but it was not
the duty of the Admiralty to su:•gest to him
what ►neterials might be of service to him in his
defence.

Mr. BARrNG, as the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Croker) had said the Admiralty had nothing to
do with the flotilla, wished to ask why the Admi-
ralty had not iiad a sufficient force on the Lakes ?
Why was Lake Erie left to the defence of what,
now it had unfortunate tailed, was called the Co-

onial Flotilla ? At the commencement of the war,

the Americans were mud: the same as ourselves
on the Lakes, now they iiad beat the English off
two of them, and we had little reason to boast of
our successes on the third.

Mr. CROKER said, if the Hon. Gentleman, had
been content to wait a few days for information
on the subject now referred, to, he wou:d - ha►e

declined giving any answer on the present occa-
sion,and have waited with, .anxiety, with confi-
dence and with eagerness, for the day on which
a motion he understood was to be made respect-
ing this business, that he might hav,.e at once shewn
what hads,becn said to the discredit of the Admi-
ralty, was altogether unfounded. Their pro-
ceedings bad been grossly misrepresented, and
while some invented injurious stateintins, others
endeavoured to them currercy. The Ho-
nourable Genaeman asked why were not tt:e Ad-
miralty prepared with. a force on the Lakes
at the commencement of the war ? But tile
Hon. Gentleman almost defeated his own argu-
ment, by "Omitting., that when ti,e war broke Out
the Americans aiat the British -.ere in equal
strength on the Lakes. Assaulting this to be cor-
rect, would it not have been a profligate waste of
the public money to have sent out a l,_t_ce where
it was not to he wanted ? It Government had.
received information that. the Americans tvere in-
creasing their strength in that quarter, then he
admitted they would have 14:eft guilty of negli-
gence bad they not met it by a col responding in-
crease of the British force ; but Without such in-
telligence this conduct wohld have deserved cen-
sure as a waste of the ptiblic money. lie was glad
the subject would he enquired into. He would
at present only :say that any requisitions made
from the authorities there 'were not only met, but
in many instances anticipated, and not only to the
amount called for, but to treble, and in some in-
srauces to more than quadruple the extent thought
necessary by the Colonial Government. -

After some further remarks from the same
Speakers, the Resolution was then agreed to.
On a grant of 2,000,0001. being proposed on
account of the Navy Debt,
Mr. WARD said, he had understood, that twelve
or fourteen months ago some ships had been con-
structed to be sent out in frames to Lake Ontario.
He should be glad to hear that the information
he bad received was incorrect, that on their ar-
rival in the River St. Lawrence they were found
totally useless, and were sold by public auction.
Mr. CROK ER admitted it to be perfectly true,
that on the advice, and in consequence of a requi-
sition from the Admiral in that quarter, and on
the information obtained from persons best ae-
qualuted with the rivers anti waters in that part.
of America, two frigates and two sloops (without
at all putting a stop to the ship-building there)
were sent out in frames from this country to the
river St. Lawrence. This idea had not been take.ri
up by the Admiralty, hut in compliance With the
requisition of the Admiral. The statement that
they had been found useless, and sold by public
auction, was not at all true. One of them had
been carried up the river, and he supposed would

be launched on Lake Ontario ; but- as they re-

quirt:4 great means of transport, it had become a
question with Sir James Yeo, whether, at that
time, it would not be more convenient to avail
himself of other ships then at hand. As nothing
would be lost by postponing th'eir conveyance,

they had 'not then been forwarded to Ontario—
whether one of thew had not been taken to Lake

Champlain he did not know. No doubt was en-
tertained of their being found most useful; but it
was a question at that particular time with Sir

James 'keo, whether it -would not be better to

avail himself of other vessels under his command.
Mr. WHITBREAD asked, was Sir J. Yeo the Ad-
miral at lvhose desire the ships were built ?
Mr. CROKER said, Sir J. Ye° was not an Ad-
miral. It was Sir J. B. Warren.
Sir J. YORKE described the vessels sent out to
have been of the most useful description; and
added, there was no instance in which the Adini-

ralty had not, in every respect, outsteppcd the
demands of,the Colonial Department.

Mr. WARD had not meant to criticise the con-
struction of the vessels, which he-thought exceed-
ingly proper, but had wished to" know if they had
reached their destination. He was glad the in-
formation he had received proved to be incorrect,
that they had not been sold, and that one had-been
conveyed to Lake Ontario. He hoped the other
three would follow with all convenient speed.-
The Resolution was agreed to. . .
A Vote of 1,650,-0001. was peed to, to meet Dills of Cre-