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best coals in the North, as they refused to load us. We
could get no Russell's Hetton ; no Lyons's.
Could you have g►ot second coal ?—We might have got a
coal fit for the westward, Portsmouth, and that direction ;
hut those were inferior coals that did not suit me to load.
I wanted a cargo of the best sorts.
Has your other ship, the Lavinia, been regularly loaded?
—No ; in the same way she lay for two months at Sunder-
land, and could get no coals at all ; at last she got an in-
ferior cargo of Stobart's.

Who i;Mr. Carr ?—The fitter of Lamliton's
Have you had any correspondence with Mr. Carr, the
fitter of you had any correspondence with Mr. Carr, the
fitter of Lambton's colliery ?—Mr. Carr wrote this letter
to me, March 5, 1834 :

" Dear Sir,—l consequence of a general restriction of
vend in the coal trade, it is not in my power to freight or
guarantee any ship's cargo ; I would therefore recommend
you at once to give Captain Ridley orders to load on the
ship's account. I assure you the whole of the collieries on
this river, Tyne, Stockton, and Seaham, are in it ; and the
whole of,us ship the quantity allotted us for the month in
eight days."
Did Captain Ridley command your vessel, the Lavinia ?
—Yes.

In consequence of that letter, what did you do ?—I wrote
to My. Carr to load her immediately.
And took the guarantee ?—I got no guarantee.
Did he allow you to take the coals at that time ?—Yes ;
ut that time he did—that was in 1834 ; I had no obstruc-
tion until the latter part of 1834.
When was your next communication with him ?—I went
and loaded, and then I received this letter from Mr. Carr,
of the 13th August, 1834 :

" Lambton-office.
" About a month ago I had a representation from the
Committee of factors for the regulation and sale of coals in
the London market, stating that a few vessels (or owners)
did not comply with the rules laid down, &c. ; and among
the few was your Lavinia, and as she had loaded at this of-
fice, requosted that I would use my endeavours to induce
you in future to allow the cargo to be offered and sold ac-
cording to their regulations, which I think you will acknow-
ledge has been of very great service in keeping the market
at a steady and remunerating price, and any little deviation
of this sort may have an injurious effect ; I, therefore,
trust and hope you will at once comply with the regulations
of the trade."

Did you comply with the regulation ?--I did not.
Did the Lavinia get a cargo ?—She did, from Carr.
flow did you get a cargo when you would not comply
with the regulation ?-1 did get a cargo. They loaded me ;
and I got a cargo until the latter end of 1834, when they
refused me.

When the Olive Branch went in December, 1834, to
Sunderland, state what took place :—I received a letter
from the master, dated Sunderland, Dec.l.s, 1834 :
" Sir,—This will inform you that I have loaded the
Clive Branch with Stobart's Walls-end, and was in a mea-
sure compelled to do so, as Mr. J. Carr, not content with
not loading the ship himself, prevented me from getting a
cargo of Stewart's Eden Main, and when he found that I
had got a cargo of coals he was stamping mad. These
coals have been 19s. 6d. all the year, and that price is
attached to the certificate ; but I only, as you see, paid
18s. 6d. for them ; they are a very fine thrifty coal, and very
little dead small among them. Ridley got in last tide, but
don't think that he will get any coals, for J. Carr says that he
will take care that neither the Lavinie nor me gets any
coals whatever another voyage, not even small."
I have a letter from Captain Mason :
" Middlesbrough, March 1, 183.5.
" Sir—This will inform that the Olive Branch is all
loaded, and have taken in 116 chaldron of Chaytor's Wall's
End. lam sorry that I came here at all, as they have re-
gularly proscribed the two ships, go when they will for the
best coals ; the cargo is a very good one, but from the low
price at market, I think I will try Chatham, as I cart al-
ways come into the Thames after, if I can't sell. ;'no cargo ;
they are very large, and the quaky good, Enclosed you
have the invoice ; the price, I think, rather high, and the
measure bad, but the ship is very deep ; the wind is at pre-
sent from the E.S.E., and the sea heavy on the bar. I think
it would have been better if we had not loaded at all, and
had gone to the Baltic or Holland ; but did not anticipate
such a depression in the market. lam at present not very
well, and don't think I shall be able to come this voyage ;
in that case the ship will come straight to London. My
accounts I can send by Ridley if I don't come.
I am, Sir, your most obedient servant,
"JNH
,
" N.B. If you have any thoughts of O
sellingMASON the Olive
Branch, I think there is now an npeertunity to sell her, and
think you would get 1,5501. for her, as the ship won't pay
loading with inferior coah,l
I have also a lettett, dated the 4th of' December, 1835 :
" Sir—Epplosed is the Olive Branch invoice for cargo
Stewartl§ Wall's-end. Pemberton refused to load the ship
without I would sign a bill for 50/. not to allow us the pri-
vilege of taking the cargo to London, which I of course,
refused.' I have seen Ridley, and promised to go over, but
I shall cot be able, as the ship is here, and we are in daily
expectation to be able to get to sea every tide. I do not
think that they will load us here again. Expecting to see
you soon,

" I am, Sir, your obedient servant,
"JOHN MASON."
That took place when Mason went, in March, 1835, to
Stockton-on-TeQo—He went to Stockton the beoinning
of Jan,, 10,44. He took on for a cargo of Tees Walls-
-04 He got loaded all but a single keel. They found
out whose ship she was, and they made a tremendous bother
about loading her. He said, unless they put in the other
keel ho would neither Pay for the coals or move the ship.
They put in the other coals. He paid them for the cargo
coals, and came away.
What became of the coals ?—They came to the London
market, and myself and friends took them.
They did not go through the market ?--No, they never
went through the market at all. When he went down to
Stockton again, and they would not load with Tees Walls-
end, I was compelled then to take a cargo of Cliaytor's
Walls-end.
Is that inferior coal ?—A very ikAtor4or coal.
—Did. you take those ana have them brought to London ?
Yes

Tit 00,Woqiiblice of the difficulty of getting coals, what
have you done with your ships ?--The Lavinia I have sent
to Newcastle about three times, and has been trading to
Scotland for Elgin coals.
When you sent to Newcastle, did you get cargo regu-
larly ?--Two 'colliers refused to load me, but I got Hep-
burn coal.
What was the longest time you were obliged to wait for
a cargo ?—Three weeks I have been waiting there.
If you cemplied with the regulation, would you ha,; Ewen
so long detained ?—I should have traded tc, Sunderland,
because the Sunderland coals pay %a so much better, but
they prohibited me, I lay thgc once for two months, and
they W,9,0,c1 Litt we Ir?ctve no best coals,
son(itriais from Sunderland,
rilaye kou. been punctual in paying for 3 taur coals on all
occasions ?741WaYs,, and sowticaes ready money ; tl:e
master would vir4o w_ ._ a
c pay Ibe money into Jones, Lloyd,
and (*t
AFOYVIIC4 :::(31,7litailit.your buiincEs hr.s been done in
ordinarywn at 40 days ?—Sometimes at syit
twothe
B inill
You have loaded also kfbreip ports p.—. Yes.
Have ypil had anY'i eulty in getting a cargo to go
abroad from any of the Collieries ?—None whatever.
, soNet inies

3,362,078
1,350,314
17,307
311,374
127,500

278,419

'5,436,992
5,553,415

11,020,407

3,311,613
6,381,4 Z

217:233

11),._!;a

3,409,530
1,392,118
12,51;4
440,001
127,500

252,877

5,643,590
0,381,425

12,025,015

6,412,577

3,065T,06

3,143,071

,n market?
t of 1834 ;

Are the restrictions only as regards the Londo
—I never found any difficulty until the latter pare
but I could then get no best coals at Sunderland.
You do not find any difficulty now in getting coals for a
foreign voyage ?—None whatever ; any coals can be got
for Jersey or Guernsey, or anywhere foreign.
Mr. PEASE—What did you wish the Committee to un-
derstand from that letter of March the sth, 1834 ?—Be-
fore I got this letter the coalowners were in the habit of
upholding the price, most likely is. or Ss. freight. if we
did not make it in the market, they bate us the difference
down there. At this time that was broken up, and they
would not uphold any more.
Can you state to the Committee what was the largest
amount in difference that ever came under your notice as
having been paid by \the coalowners on that system P—l
might have seen 201. a voyage, or 251. a voyage, paid when
I came to put the difference together.
Do you mean a certain price being named as the price
of coals, that price not being realised in London, 20/. diffe-
rence had to be paid to the coalowner ?—Yes, that is
the case.

A price was assumed as the selling price in London
which would leave you a given amount of freight, and the
coalowner a given price for his coals ?—The regular price
down in the north was charged, and if I did not make 7,;.
or Bs. freight, or whatever the amount agreed on,
Calcu-
lated what the coals yielded at the London market, and I
charged the 7s. or Bs.lreight for the ship, and, tile difference
between what the coals fetched at the market and the
freight left against the coalowner minus 00/. or 95/.
Was that during what is called the fighting-trade?—
Yes, at the time the prices Were very low.
Major BEAUCLERK—In that they freighted you ?—lt
was the same as freighting me, although they did not run
the risk of the cargo and insurance. I was my own in-
surer. If the ship had been lost, I should have lost my cargo.
In every other respect it was freighting you ?—Yes, ex-
cept my running the risk of cargo.
Mr. PEASE—Was it common at that time to guarantee
those freights, because it was anticipated the price in Lon-
don would be so low as not to allow the shipowners a fair
profit ?—Yes.

That prevailed to a great extent ?—At that time it did.
Have you found on the average of the last three years,
as a shipowner, carrying coal is a good productive business ?
—I have found it turn out very well, doing no insurance
and running my own risk.
Have you been lucky in avoiding sea losses ?—I was un-
lucky at first, but latterly I have been fortunate.
You may be said now to have paid your own insurance ?
—No, I have lost four ships worth 10,000/.
Are you alluding to the coal trade, or a general shipping
trade ?—The coal trade ; I had three cargoes in the ships
I lost.
When did you lose the ships ?—Near ah out 1824 or) 8-)5.
Major BEAUCLERK—Ifyou could log'', coals at Sunderland
land, taking the present prices of thr. London market, would
it pay you well ?—Yes.
Could you unders'4ll the Present prices, and still make a
profit ?—Yes, I :tore say I could.
s.
Mr. PEA:st—Have you formed an opinion from your in-
timate knowledge of the shipping trade, whether the cap-
trLns and owners engaged in the trade are making more than
a fair return for their capital ; do you think they receive ex-
travagant freights ?—They have also to pay insurance on the
club losses.
Taking all those things into account, what would be your
impression ?—lt depends so much upon whether the ship is
lucky, and the number of voyages she makes.
Mr. WAKLEY—Do you know at what rate they are paid ? •
—So much depends on the luck of the ship, or whether she
makes the voyage quick, or fails in with good prices.
Mr. PEASE—Are you aware by whom the regulations are
made of which you complain in London ?—The self-elected
factors and coal merchants.
Da you recollect the time when that regulation first came
into existence ?—I cannot particularly recollect ; they
elected the weighers at the first.
How long was that ago ?—Directly the City meters were
broken up.
Do you mean after pat.ing the new Bill ?—Yes.
About the year 1822 11—Yes, about that time.
That Bill leaves it optional whether you will employ the
meters or not ?—Just so.
You have declined ever employing them ?—I have.
Have the goodness to state, with regard to this regula-
tior„ whether there is general feeling among the owners of
ships against it as well as your own.—l never inquired about
it ; the captains seemed very vexed with me when I could
get on so quick ; sometimes I was making two voyages,
while same of them were only making one.
CHAIRMAN—Are the Committee to understand you
could make sometimes two voyages by not being in the re-
gulation, while other ships could only make one ?—Yes.
Mr. PEASE—State to the Committee the greatest num-
ber of voyages any of your ships have ever made in a year ?
—I have here an account of one ship that has made eleven
voyages.

What is the smallest number ?—I have made only six,
but that year I have been in dock.
When the ship has been regularly going throughout the
twelve months, IvLat is the smallest number ? I made nine
in 1833 with the Lavinia.
CHAIRMAN—To Sunderland ?—All to Sunderland.
PEASE—Are you aware whether nine is the com-
mon calculation in the trade ?—I am not aware.
Scotch voyages are frequently longer, are they not ?
Yes, by a third. I tried all the places. I tried Seaham
and Stockton, and Hartlepool, and I could get no coals.
Were they all in the same tale, they would not give you
a preference P—They would not give me any coals, because
I would not go through the rules and regulations of the
coal-market in London.

Are you aware whether any other parties have refused to
obey the regulations besides yourself ?—A good many do
not go through the market.
Have they been treated in the same way you have ?—I
have not inquired lately.
Can you give the names of some parties who do not con-
form to the regulations?—They may have conformed lat-
terly to them, but in November, 1834, there was a general
kick up in the market about it. Since that some have
gone into the regulation.
Have some continued to sell in defiance of the regula-
tion ?—Yes, some do not go by the regulation.
Do you mean with the best coals ?--Some of them the
best coals.

Have you any such case to state ?—Tlio vend will tell
what quantity of coals does not go through the market.
In May 1.5,000 tons never went through.
Does it Wow that those ships did not wait their turn ?
Thu gild not.
they did not go through
YOu are sure of that ?_yes
the market ; they worked without an official weigher.
you are aware a number of vessels loaded partly with
merchandise cargoes, and
partly with coals, do not come,
under the regulation at all ?—That may be the case ; but
they work with their own weighers,
You do not know whether it ,vets the Ptmlowners that in
the first instance reclue:Viv,Athe ships to join the regulation ?
—The letters I
from the fitters wish the to join, and
to go thrclul.,„ the regulation.
Your captain says, in his Latter of the 2d of January,
4, but it is Just as I thou.int it would be, I shall have for to
tell 100 lies ; indeeei I think that I shall contract such a
habit of lying, that I shan't be able to give it up." Have
you founO, bini, as your captain, to have contracted this in-
veterute habit of lying?--I have found him a very clever
fellow : he got the coals waen I could not get the other

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ship loaded. I found one captain got coals sometimes when
the other captain could not.
Do you, then, think these 100 lies have served the pur-
pose ?—I considered he had a right to get coals, as I paid
for them.
"'-
CHAIRMAN—Have you lound him tell stories in anything
else P—No.
Whether he lied or not, you did not care ?-7-No.
CHAIRMAN—If there had been no regulation, be would
have had no occasioa to lie at all ?—He would have got
the coals immediately.
When your ship goes to the Tyne, , the We, or the
Tees, you are wiling to wait your turn
iCatainly.
CHAIRMAN—YOU would UOI, complain f• you got your
turn ?—No.
Mr. PEASE—Do yon know what that regulation is made
or as to turns on the Tyne, and Wear, and Tees ?—The
regulation. is made because they cannot load them all at
Once, and we are ohliged to is unt:l they con load us.
Is the object that one pai t.y shall not have a prof ence
over another P—l suppose it is ;at Shields you take your
turn regularly, according to Act of Parliament.
There is no Act at Sunderland, is there P—Not about
loading ; I believe at Newcastle there is, that you should
take a regular turn.
The principle is to load in turns, for the purpose of giving
fair play to all parties.—Then why would they not load me
down there ?
You are not able to state whether this system is advan-
tageous to the shipowners or not ?—I am not able to state;
I know I did very well when I could get the best coals.
You are not aware whether this was the result of tin
application from the shipowners in the North to the
factors in London P—l am not.
CHAIRMAN—Are. the Committee to understand that
your complaint is not against the Turn Act in. Newcastle,
because you cannot get your turn alorg with other
ships ?—Yes, and likewise at the Tees and Hartlepool.
over
Mr. PEASE—
shipDoowne you not think you I:wve an advantage
lation ?—I can g quicker, the other rs by not comrelling with the regu-
o
If all the vepels went as. quickly as you, would there not
be a greater del.•ay down at the Tees, &e. ?—Yes.
Mr. LAIA:rroN—Do you mean to say the shipowners,
of their own accord, did not propose to join the regula-
tior 'e
—I do not know whether they did or not.
You having sent ships so frequently to Sunderland,• are
>o ou
y perfectly ignorant of that circumstance ?—I am perYtetly
norant.

You said you did not mind your Captain lying on this
subject ; would you, if you had been Captain of your own
vessel, have lied in the same way ?—I would. ;lave got the
coals in the best way I could.
You would not have minded lying ?-11.1is is not a proper
question to put to me.
Mr. PEASE—Has the regulat'.on of the vend in the
North anything to do with your trot getting a cargo ?—I
cannot say that it has.
Have you not stated that the Secretary of the Associa.
tioti there hail. been wiitten to by Mr. Scott, and that it
was on that, account, you could not be loaded regularly ?
Yes.

Why do you, say you do not know anything about the
vend in the North ?—I meant as to the quantities.
Major BEAUCLERK—You have had the question asked
you. " Do you conceive it a hardship if you go into a
grocer's to take your turn in buying—do you conceive that
has anything to do with your going to Sunderland, where
You cannot get a cargo at all ?"—I do not think it has any-
thing to do with it.
Mr. PEASE—YOU consider a party selling an article has
no right at all to make his own terms for the selling ?—lf
I am selling a cargo of coals I have a right to get the best
price I can for them.

Mr. BELL,—Does that apply to the coalowner or not ;
has he a right to get the best price he can for his coal ?
Certainly he has ; I never objected to the price at all.
CHAIRMAN—But they object to supply you ?-1(05, they
did, because I did not go through the rules and regulations
of the coal market here.
You were asked a question, whether, if thr.:re was no re-
gulation, you would not be longer in getting your cargo
than now ; whatever the delay might be, would you com-
plain if you got your cargo in turn witli the other ships ?
Certainly not ; I could not comElir.M.
Mr. PEASE—Whatever the ?relay is in London, what
right have you to complain wb'en you can sell as quickly as
your neighbours ?—I conit-d,::in of not being loaded down
at the North.

You complain of the 'regulation ?—Yes ; but I have no-
thing to do with the regulations here, and do not belong to
them.

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How sparkling her pictures of Court drawing-rooms, Court
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Naval and Military Gazette.

MURDER ATORLEANS.--A frightful crime, which
the guilty person himself expiated, has just excited great alarm
at Orleans. An Englishman and his wife resided at a coun-
try house in the environs of that town ; a handsome young
man, mamed Demartel, whose depraved and vicious habits
had rendered him odious in the neighbourhood, conceived a
guilty passion for the beautiful young Englishwoman, but
could not induce her to accept his proposals. His bad charac-
ter, and the virtue of the object of his attachment, made him
dejected and taciturn, and raised a suspicion that he was me-
ditating some evil project. On the 24th of this month he went
to the country house where the Englishman and his wife me-
sided, and, after a few minutes' conversation with the latter,
he inflictel two mortal wounds upon her with a dagger. The
husbanii., who was in an adjoining room, ran to his wifes as-
sistarxe, bet the Frenchman also wounded him with the dag-
:•er, and he fell dead by the side of his wife. Demartel then
grew a loaded pistol from his pocket and blew out hiss brains.
The authorities having been apprised of the circumP.trenee, re-
moved the bodies, and drew up a proces.verbal of tb a facts.—
Paris Paper.

It is the custom in Hamburg and o',;her parts of
Germany for the living to leave the burial of fr;.ends and rela-
tions to hirelings. At Hamburg of these hired mourners there
are several classes, the principal of whom are attired in a
black Spanish habit, a large wig, a ruff *Jut the neck, and a
sword by their side. Strange to say, the same persons are
employed at weddings—changing fro..n " grave to gay," as
suddenly as there may be occasion fr,r their services.
" IN CHANCERY."—A mournful instance of the
utter ruin which but too snrely emanates from long-contested
suits in Chancery, may be obss:rved at No. 41, Queen-square,
Bloomsbury. This once handsome mansion is now literally
a dangerous ruin. In front there is not a single sound square
of glass ; even some portion of the window-frames are moul-
dering- away; the ironwork of a handsome flight of steps de-
scending into a bread and noble area has been carried away
piecemeal, the stonework having been completely torn up in
the effort ; the window-shutters all hang transversely by one
hinge ; and a long succession of winters has rendered the roof
so pervious to the weather that the floors from top to bottom
are saturated with rain water, and the splendid ceilings are fast
dropping away ; the back part of the premises is in the same
deplorable condition. Into whatever hands the property may
ultimately fall, it must be pulled down and rebuilt. The father
of Rowland Stephenson, the banker, was the last occupant.
A series of experiments, we hear, are in progress
under the sanction of Government, for giving effect to the
principles of ;it. Reid of Edinburgh, in improving the venti-
lation of the Houses of Parliament, and establishing, for the
guidance of the architects of the new buildings, a body of sa-
tisfvlory data relative to the transmission of sound. These
experiments, which are committed to the personal superinten-
dance of Dr. Reid, are for the present limited to the House off Commons.--Obscener.
A few days since a working man, of the communeof Charenten, named Nicolas, was angling on one of the
islands at the mouth of the Marne, when, at only a few steps
distant, he saw a man throw himself into the water. Instantly he plunged in after him, and, seizing him by his clotless, drew him from the flood. The man, on recovering, loaded his pre-
server with thanks, and left him. To the surprise of Nicolas,
however, he had scarcely proceeded a hundred yards, when be
again plunged into the Marne. Our friend Nicolas, thinking
the man must be deranged, again jumped into the water, and
succeeded in a second time rescuing him from a. watery grave,
at the same time holding him in the water, This time the de-
termined suicide's politeness forsook hint,, and he demanded,
is.*voice like the roar of a baffled bill), how he dared to inter-
fere between him and his design, Quite astonished at this
singular determination, Nicolas 'resolved to give him a surfeit
of drowning. He held him dr,,cn, therefore, in the water while
he was obliged to swallow a few mouthfuls. This soon had
its effect on the advent'arous suicide, who thereupon seized tire
arm of his delis-vere': and allowed him to re-conduct hini to the
land. NQ cause whatever could be assigned for his 'attempt,
save that he had just comefrom a plentfAl breakfast with some
companior s, to whom he had declared that he 'would drown
liiinseP:. They, however, thought he was in joie, particularly
nmition.—French
.aelviYi dole nta tvery
latfacetious suicide
foinntagtiu7osur friends across the water. A man of a face-
Otl:OPixauPlusireeydrui.s'arn—apsosition eats a hearty breakfast with jovial companions,
and drowns himself by way of cliMax
It appears that the expense of lighting Marylebone
parish is from 11,0001. to 12,0001. a-year. There aro about
2,700 to 3,000 lamps contracted for, four feet burners, at
something like 4/. 4s. each, at unequal distances of from la
to' as much as 50, GO, and 70 yards, and the streets to b.
ligted cover an extent of near 40 miles. It is now intended
to reduce the number of lamps by one-third, and an inspector
of lamps is to be appointed, to see that they are properly
lighted. This will relieve the parish rate by about 3,000/.
a-vear. An experiment is first to be made in Welbeck and
Be.'iners-streets, of 5 feet burners, at 70 yards apart.