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On the Resolution fir making a Grant towards
defraying the expence of the Association for Dis-
countenancing Vice; - • '

Mr. FiERBEitT rose, and stated some obje&ions to
such a Grant, 'being made by Government towards
that Institution. •

Mr. CORMY observed, that it was a provision
at:Wally made by the Compaa' entered into at the
Union, among other charitable Grants • formerly
made by the Irish Parliament"; and, theretbre, it
would be unjust to •deprive 'lreland yt those.ad_
vantages which the inhabitants formerly enjor'J.
He approved highly of the HOti. Gentleman's vigi-
lance in guarding the public pitrse against. abust::;
but,'wifil regard to that body; he begged to inform
him, that it was a Parliamentary Corporation. Af-
ter the statement which he had heard an Hon. Gen-
tlemao •ma4e-lasi night in'the He relative to the
better education of the Poor, he could not but re-
joiec in'seeing those benefits that the Honourable
Gentletriiiii.lad so well described so conspicuous in
the preSent i'fistarie; by the progesj which educa-
tion had macie under the superintentiuce of that
Tiarticular Corporation. • If the Hon. Gentleman
who opposed that. Grant ,had adverted to these .ad-
vantages, be was sure he would not -have'objeaed
to it.

Mr. WILBERfORCE said Le deemed it proper
fc,r him to say a woro Of two cm this suttea,, it

; was one with which he was prdtty well acquainted'.
There is; said he, in the capital- of this Island, a
great fund of
.wealth, a large portion of which is
distributed with readiness towards all institutions
for the relief of those in need : Ireland, we know,
was not so favoured ; and therefore it was. not un-
natural to think, that the Parliament of that country
deemed it necessary to make certain Grants to such
benevolent Institutions, from time to time ; and I
,feel desirous, therefore, that no steps should be taken
by the United Parliament to injure those charitable
Institutions which existed before the Union. So
far frorn decreasing those Grants, I should rather
think of voting them additions. With regard to
the particular Society now under consideration, I
can venture to say, that there never was any of a
more judicious and beneficial description. The ob-
jed of rendering the• Scriptures better known, is the
mostjust and precise mode of doing good. We
know, that the reformation of religion, throughout
Europe, has been greatly owing to the general dif-
fusion of the Scriptures. in the vulgar tongue. - On
, these grounds, therefore, he should give his hearty
assent to'the grant. •
The Resolution was then agreed to.
On the Resolution for the -grant of 13,0001. to
the Roman Catholic Seminary being proposed,
Mr. PERCIIfiIL rose, and stated, that he ob-
jeCted to this proposed increase to that institution.
He thought there was great impolicy in promoting.
a Catholic Establishment in Ireland. He unCer -
stood that this was for the purpose of supporting
the College of Maynooth, for the education of
Popish' Clergymen, which, as it was originally esta-,
blished, was only to cost Government, 80001. per
annum, but thaw it was raised to 13,0001. This
was a very
.large addition to the original sum, and
as the addition was intended for the purpose of. in-
' creasing the buildings Of ,that Seminary, which
would gradually bring on claims for .an increase
of its inhabitants also, there was no saying
where those applications for additional assistance
were .to end. We should find that institution
going on increasing from year. to year, and'
vying with the College of Dublin itself. This he
thought would be secondary to establishing the Ro-
man Catholic Religion in Ireland, and therefore lie
found it to be consistent with his duty to express his
negative to the granting of such an increase.
Sir JOHN NEIPPO:IiT rose, and addressed the
Chairman nearly as. follows :—" Sir, I am' much
astonished at the objection which has been started
by the Right Hon: Gentleman ; or, that be should
form the conclusion from any thing I have pro-
posed, that a large increased deMand must be made
every year. This present demand is only made for
the purpose of ere&ing additional buildings ;
but in order tq do away the objeaions which have
been ••
oeen stated, I must trouble the Committee with a
few observations upon the origin of the Institution
in question. Previous to the Revolution, and pre-
vious to the establishment of this College, Cler-
gymen of the Roman Catholic persuasion were
edtica.ted abroad. That mode could hardly be'
thought the most preferable for men who were
to live under the British Government. The
question resolved itself to this, whether Parliament
should think it best- that Roman CathOlie Priests
should receive their education abroad, or that a
very large proportion of the population of Ireland
should be left without the means of instruEtion
in the Religion of their fathers ? —and whether
it is better to allow the Subjeas of Ireland to be
educated by an enlightened or by an unenlightened
priesthood ? In consequence of the. events which
had happened upon the Continent, the sons of Ca-
tholics in Ireland, intended for the Church, could
-not be educated, and there was not a sufficient num-
ber of Priests to supply the place of those who died,
or became by age and infirmity unfit for duty, and
ruany parishes were left formerly without the means
of instru&ion. However much the Right Honour-
able, Gentleman might wish to diminish the Grants
Made by Parliament, I am convinced that the House
must see the propriety of instructing the people of
Ireland, bY Means of Clergymen of their own persua-
sion. I 'As to an increase of the number of scholars,
I May only observe, that the Professors appointed
for the two hundred already admitted, might be suf-
ficient
/4. The education of three hundred scholars';
so that althOugh there Should be, at any future pe,.
riod, an addition of one hundred to their present
'number, the additional Ckpence upon that score
would be but trifling... •

Mr. HERBERT said,. that of all the subjeEts which
'll7eWkirt) had brought
forward,
Right
Hon.
cone
g aßrtvaei n
more.
pleasure than the one
Under consideration. He knew well that not any thing
could tend more to confirm and establish the prin-
ciples of loyalty in Ireland, than instruaing them in
the Religion they profess, and making them feel
that they are Assisted in their laudable pursuits by
the liberal support of the Government under 'Whkoft
they.live.
M. 'PERCIVAL added, that he did .not conceive
that this Institution applied merely
.to she educa-
tion of Catholic Priests... He thought it was likely
also to *be used for the education of the Roman
Catholic Gentry, when he considered that there
were no less than eighteen different descriptions of
masters for the education of 209 scholars. , The
Institution was therefore impolitic. Previous to
this establishment, RoMan Catholic Gentlemen were
eBucAted at Pjotestant seminaries. Their being
educated at' a Catholic seminary was liable to make,,
their contra& habits early life which might after-
Wards prOve prejudicial to the State, or at least to
the, established religion of the Country. He would
not so much quarrel with the present proposed in
crease, were be assured that there would not be
annually applications made for similar increases ;
but:next year there would perhaps be an applica-
tion for an additional support for another 100 scho-
lars, which, at the presentrate of 251. each, would
be 25001. • .

Sir JOHN NEWPORT—" There is a secondary'
College for the instruction of Catholic laymen, I
which has nothing to do with Parliamentary grants.
I believe, however, that the Priests' College does
also afford instruction to the Lay College, and that
the instrudors z're paid for so doing, as they were
allo.viecl very 10 kalarieS. I 'believe' the highest
professors have'fobly gol. a year, and the average of
the others. betwixt 601. and 801. This practice
could not; lipwever, be the intention of Govern-
limit at the time of the institution of the Priests'
College, as the Lay College was not established till
four oz five years' afterwards. The Professors were

originally appointed from amongst a yerv. 'oyal et of
persons, wilt) having been prosecuted in France;
were driven from their situations in their native
Ccuntry, and took refuge m Ir .and, where it was
thought better to give them such situations, than to
support them as idle members of society."
Mr. GR4TTJIN said, that the question was,
whether Parliament should think it was most pru-
dent to instrud the Roman Catholic Laity, by
RoMan Catholic Priesthood of a foreign -education,
or to enable them both to be instructed at home ?
By Parliament going further in their support; they
will enable the Catholic Priests to procnre their edu-
cation at home, and a fatal policy would be avoided,
more dangerouS than ever existed even in titnes of
Catholic .superstition. ;In his mind, therefore, it
was a most prudential step that the Irish Parlia-
ment had adopted; when they established,an Insti-
tution tbr -the itistruaion of Catholic Priests in
Ireland, because it was the most probable means
of amalgamating, as .it were, the two religions.
For that purpose too, he did not objed to the
Laity of Ireland being so instructed. 'When he
considered- tilt) sum necessary to accomplish that
desirable -end',' he' could not help thinking it was
exceedingly small, compared with the object in
view. It, '.era? surely a small expence incurred,
when Parliament; by giving 13,0001. a year, aftbrd-
ed the means of instru&ing three and a half mil-
lions of people. He could not think that any per-
.son should complain of any prodigality in a mea-
snre.so favourable to the general policy of the Coun-
try. What was there, he would ask, that ought to
be more an object of the public care than the home
education of the Catholics ? "In so much," said
Mr. Qtat6n, " as the home education of the Bo-
man Catholics of Ireland produces, allegiance, in so
much does 4 foreign education tend to produce their

Air. kdNKES said, he thought this matter came
before the House, not as a fixed but as a growing
Establishment ; and, therefore, it became the House
to look to it in various points of view. It was
evidently a matter of increased expenditure almost
unlimited. The expellee of the education of Priests
must increase in proportion to the demand for them.
Who could say- that _A a Professors, or even 1800
of them, would be sufficient These Colleges
were principally for the higher, and not for the
lower oider of the people. Could there be_a doubt
that, this tends to keep up the spirit of the Catholic
Religion in Ireland ? He cautioned the- House to
pause before they determined upon such an im-
portant point. It looked like what he should always
deprecate, the establishment of the Cathtilic
gion, which he deemed to be dangerous and sub-
versive of Government.
Captain 1.-/EOERT. said, that if this measure
was to. introduce the Catholic Religion, as the. Hon.
Gentleman who spoke last supposed, it should in-
deed make him pause long betbre he assented to it.
If it was acknowledged (as it seemed to be) that
iewas.,a preferable scheme to educate Priests here,
-rather than abroad, Whence they were likely to
bring home most dangerous principles, he was
sure that it must also be acknowledged that the,
total absence of well educated Pastors would tend t:g
produce a most pernicious influence, by a total van
of religious principles. He- begged, to remind the
Hon, Gentleman who opposed the. scheme, that the
danger he alluded to had already bean proved in,
France. There the 11011,1 an Catholic Priets were
driven from home, and Protestants were allowed to-
remain.--.Was it to be argued that Protestant Chris-
tians
have thereby increased in that country ?, 1-10
believed not, and certainly the number of Catholic
Christians had been woefully and sadly diminished.
Lord ST4NLEY said a few words in Support of
the Resolution, as be thought it Would. not tend to
increase the Catholic Religion, but ultimately to. en-
courage that of the Protestants.
The Resolution which had givqn rise to. this dist
cussion was then put and carried,
fhe .other Resolutions were severally agreed,
to; the House resumed, and the Report was ordered
to be received on Monday next.

SLAVE TRADE
Lord Howtcx mixed. the Order of the Day fop
the second reading cf the. Slave Trade Abolition Bill ;
which was read a second time ; and on the Motion,
for calling Counsel—
.

General GASCOYNE and Mr. EULLEE wished to,
pa off the hearing, on account of the lateness, of the.
hour.

Lord liag'lCK. said, that it was that hou; (near
nine o'clock) .when the best attendance was. likely
to be procuyed. Coupsel were theta called in.•
Mr. Dallas appeal-4 for the Jamaica Merchants
,and Planters ; Mr. Alexander, for the Merchants
who were engaged in'tlke. trade to the Coast OlAfri-.
ca ; Mr. Scarlett, for the. Nand of Trinidad ; and
Mr. Clarke, for the peoplo,oi Livet'pool conneaect with the trade. ,

Mr. Dallas was heard at ',Treat length against the
Silt. A short •conversatio; then took place with
•,..
rispea to the propriety of- hearing evidence, when
it wasdetermined that no.further evidt:nc. e s.vas ne-
cessary. Mr. Alexander was then heard on the
same side. When he withdrew—
General GASCOYNE again moved, that Mr. Aiex-
ander be allowed to call witnesses in support of his
statement ; but upon the question being put, it Was
negatived.

Mr. Scarlett was then called in, and after hearing
him, the same motion as to hearing evidence was
repeated.

Mr. HLBBERT again impressed on the House the
propriety of calling evidence.
Lord HOWICK said, he had no objetaions to Coun-
sel being again called, in order to state precisely what
were the particular points on which they meant to
adduce evidence.

Mr. Scar.lett was again called in, and stated, that
the evidence he meant to adduce related to the loss
that would be sustained by the new Planters of
Trinidad, by the Abolition of the Slave Trade.
Mr. WILBERFORCE' and Mr. ROSE thought it
would be most regular to hear this evidence when
the question of Compensation t the Planters came
under discussion.

Mr. HowoRTH spke in favour of the claims f
the Planters of Trull iad.

Lord. HOW ECK dithered his sentiments at sonm
length, against receiving ;trey ev icknee in the present
stage of the. busine,s.

BARHAM spoke in favour of the claims of the
Planters.

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itearing the Noble Lora eppc..ite ;peals of allowing
an indemnity to the Planters.
. Lord HOWICK said, in explanation, that no in-
demnity could be given unless a strong case could be
made out. .

Sir PRIMP FRANCIS reprobated strongly the idea
of giving an indemnity for giving up any profits
arising from so disgraceful a traffic.
Mr. ROSCOE spoke a few words in favour of the
claims of compensation.
Mr. R. THORNTON opposed all idea of compensa-
tion. The Stave Dealers had already got twenty
years.' notice that the-Trade was to be abolished, and
yet they had the effrontery to ask compensation.
After a few words from- Mr. SPENCER STANHOPE
and Mr. MosT,o, the question was put; when
Mr. Scarlett, the' .2.ounsel, was called in, and in-
formed that the House had negatived the Motion for
bearing further evidence.
On the Motion of Lord HOWICK, the Debate on
the Bill was postponed till Monday.
Adjourned at One o'Clock this Morning.

• .
peror of the French will Seth'sortie Generals end
experienced Officers to condu& their operations, and
enable them to a& in concert with the Grand Army.
\VAnsAw, JAR. 2g: Marshal AUGEREAU'i
quarters are at Maloci* a few leagues from
saw:

The Emperor reviews the troops almost every day.
The Grand Duke of BERG lately gave a ball. [lts
Imperial Majesty, whose condescending manners en-
gages all hearts, lately took part i❑ a, ball, and was
pleased to dance with a Polish. lady.
BUCHAREST, DEC. 31.—0 n the 12th, 1200
Turks, under MEHEMET BARAICTAR, arrived here.
On the 13th, the Russian Consul was brought to
Rudschuclo. On the 14th and 15th, 20,000 Turks ar-
rived here, and immediately advanced against 15,000
Russians at Focksan. On the 23d they came to an ac-
tion at Grodau, in which the Turks lost 600 men
and, on the 27th, the Russian Gen. MICHELSON and
Prince YPSILANTI entered *the ,city. On the 2gth
Gen. MICHELSON ,broke up from hence to march to
Albania by way of Widdin.

TURKISH FRONTIER, JAN. W.—The Russians un-
der General MICHELSON have taken possession of
the three provinces of Moldavia, Bessarabia, and
Wallachia. They drive all the Turks they meet be-
fore then'. It seems as if the Russians intend to pass
the Danube near Krajowa, and establish themselves
in Servia. The Turks in Bosnia have already taken
up arms against the. Russians. The Servians evacu-
ated the Austrian War Island, upon the Danube, on"
the night ofthe 6th.
NAPLES, JAN. ,t6.--,-The Russians raise a number
of Greek recruits in Albania, Epirus, and the. Seven
Islands. Several new corps have also been raised in--
Sicily by the Prince of HESSE PHILIPSTHAL.

VIENNA, 'JAN. 2a.—Baron BENNINGSEN com-
mands the Russian Army in Poland, in the place of
Count KAMENSKOY. Gen. 'BOXHOVDEN'S place is
supplied, by. Prince BAGRATHION. The arrival of
Couriers to the French and Russian Envoys is very
frequent. Count RASUMOUSKY has also received a
Courier from Gen. MICI*ELSON, which announces
his complete possession of Moldavia and Wallachia,
Gyurger only continuing to hold out.
The Ayan of Rudschuck attempted to impede the
progress .of the Russians, but he was defeated,. with
considerable loss. CIESAR BEItTHIEit, brother to the
French Minister of War, accoMpanied by two Ad-
jutants from Italy, has passed through 'this city on
his way to the Grand Army.
The dar-before yesterday a Courier brought very
important dispatches from*Baron VINCENT, at War-
saw, in consequence of which the Minister of State
immediately had a private conference with the So-
vereign. The army cantoned near the Carpathian
mountains advances gradually towards Galicia. The
English• Squadron near Constantinople is an obstacle
to ,the arrival of Turkish troops from Asia.
FROM THE DANUBE, JAN. 25.—The Hungarian
Papers make the number of Russians in Moldavia,
&c. amount to 100,000 men. If this statement.be
corre&, they must have some objea in view ,more
important than the possession of these provinces.
FROM THE MAIN, FEB. 3.—The Austrian regi-
ments in Bohemia have orders to tnarelt. A third
part of the War Contribution imposed upon Munster
bis been remitted.

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