The Sun.
London, England, 1849-04-05 00:00:00

849.

the servant's-ball; then from the back kitchen into the
cooking-kitchen.
Were you walking quick?—Yes, I went as fast as I
could along.
The JUDGE—Did you hear or sea any one in your
way?—Yes, my Lard; I heard a person bustle along
the passage.
Could you tell who it was ?—lt was like a female, but I
could not tell whether it was a girl or a woman.
The JUDGE—What way was it going ?—Towards the
servants'-hall, my Lord.
Did you see anything or any one in the servants'-
hall when you went there?—No.
Did you look back when you got in the servants' hall-
door?—Yes.
What did you see?—l saw a low stout man—no
hat on.
Did you stop to look at him at all?—No.
The JUDG II —Where was he?—When I camp down
the back stairs he was within about two feet of it; he
kept near to the back staircase, but nearer to the side-
door.

The JUDGE—You brushed by him?—Yes, my Lord.
The JUDGE—And when you got to the aervants'-hall
you saw him turn.

The prisoner—My Lord, she did not say anything
about turning at all .
The JUDGE—I thought she said so.
Witness—No, my Lord.
The prisoner—Well, then, is it correct what you stated
in your depositions, that you had not time to see it was
any one whom you knew?—lt is.
You did not see Reed at all?—No,
_ _

Cross-examined by Mr. Sargean't BYLES—Did you
observe the colour of the man's dress at all?—It was a
dark dress.

How long was it before the 28th that you went to Stan-
field-hall?—On the 4th of November previous.
Then you had only been 24 days there? Did you
know the prisoner at all; had you ever seen him?—No,
never to my knowledge, sir.
To the Learned JUDGE—When I saw him the man was
coming towards the servants'•hall, straight on towards
roe. Ido not know whether he had passed the door in
the passage, or not. _

Solomon Savory was then called and examined by the
prisoner. (He is a resolute-looking lad, and gave his
answers with clearness.)—Now, Savory, I have to ask
you a few questions about this business.
The JUDGE—You must first get out what he is, and
that he was in your service.
The witness, on being examined by the prisoner, stated
—I was living as servant with the prisoner's son, at Pot-
ash, at the time of the murder. I had been living there
about three months before. There were at the time some
old stacks of straw about. Several gateways and tracks
had been littered over with straw about that time. I re-
member prisoner giving me a pair of boots to clean the
day of' the murder. I recollect seeing those boots next
day. There was a light pair, the sides of which were wet,
except at where they had been next the fire. The light
pair had been left at the fire that night.
Prisoner—l have heard a great deal about a wedge,
but Witherford is not called to prove it. If he had been
I could have shown the evidence was got up.
The JUDGE—What wedge are you talking about? It
is the first time I ever heard it mentioned. Prisoner—
No matter, my Lord.
How often were you examined before the magistrates?
—Three times.
Have you been confined in Bridewell at all.—Yes, Sir.
How long were you confined in consequence of the
evidence you gave?—Six days in all.
What reason did the magistrates give for confining
you?—They did not say, sir.
The JUDGE—You cannot go into this. He was not
there for any crime, but on account of his evidence.
Did you sit up at all at the commencement of the sea-
son to watch the farm ?—I did one night, my Lord.
Did you know I suspected the game was brushed off
the farm at night?
The JUDGE—You cannot ask that question. You must
ask him it you ever did anything—such as giving direc-
tions about the game.
Did I ever set you to watch ?—Yes.
Did you ever see any one on: the farm poaching?—
Yea, I saw a man, and I thought that was what he was
after. I saw a man put a dog over on the lands, too,
and told Mr. Rush of it. I remember some barley-
straw being stacked about the time. The cook had left
Potash about a week before the murders on account of
illness.

The prisoner then put a great many questions as to
the positions of the farm and its boundaries, which could
not be rendered at all intelligible to the public.
The JUDGE—When you were asked before the ma-
gistrates what was the latest time you saw the prisoner
that day you said it was between seven and half-past
seven &clock? Was that the case?—Yes, my Lord.
Prisoner—Will you swear it was about eight o'clock
when you saw me?—No, sir.
The JUDGE—What do you mean by that?—l swear it
was not eight o'clock, my Lord.
Prisoner—Did you not swear—
The JUDGE—No, you cannot ask a question in that
way. You are examining now your own witness to the
truth.

Prisoner—Do you not contradict your evidence?
Who told you to do so? Contradict, sir? No.
The JUDGE No, I tell you you cannot ask such
questions; yon are tendering this man as the witness
of the truth, and as ono whom we are to believe.
Prisoner—Who told you to make alterations in the
time you spoke about? No; who told you to make any
alterations in your statement, and speak different from
what you did at first?—l don't know I did make any
alterations.
The JUDGE—Really I cannot allow this.
Prisoner—When I spoke to you at the back door had
I my indoor dress on?—Yes, sir; it was about seven or
half-past seven o'clock.
To the JUDGE—The prisoner gave me his light boots
to clean about five or halt-past five o'clock, but I don't
clearly recollect, and I washed them.
The prisoner again asked the witness some questions
as to discrepancies in his depositions, which the Learned
Judge would not allow to be answered, considering them
quite irrelevant. At the request of the prisoner, a lapse
of 10 minutes was allowed, and on the return of the judge,
jury, and prisoner to court,
William Frederick Howe was recalled and placed in
the witness-box, but before he was examined
The JUDGE said—We consider you have no right to
this privilege, but I shall allow you to ask him a few

questions.
Prisoner—My Lord, certain parties whom I never saw
wrote me word about this witness, and I want to ask him
if what they say of him is true.
The JUDGE—You may ask him if he ever said or I
made use of certain expressions which have a bearing on
the case, but you cannot go into matters not in evidence.
Prisoner—lf lum not allowed to ask him questions I
think important what is the use of it at all? How could
1 know what evidence he would give till I heard him—
he never was produced till the last moment? There is
no use iu it.
The JUDGE—WeII, take your own course about that.
Every witness does not come prepared to answer all the
questions about himself you like to ask him.
Prisoner—Well, I believe I will ask him a few ques-
tions. William Howe, do you know John Lincoln—No,
I don't. George Blean 2—No. James Barkey ?—No,
I never heard of him. Nor of Mr. J. R. Smith ?—No.
Nor of Frederick Grey?—No. I never heard of his
name to my knowledge.
The JUDGE—Have you never stated you would go to
Norwich and swear one side or the other for 20L? Wit-
ness—Never, to my knowledge.
The JUDGE—Never to your knowledge ? Could
you have said such a thing without knowing it? Did
you ever say such a thing ? Witness—Mr. Hyde told
me I did so, but I never did. Some people were talk-
ing about it, and it was said in a joke that a, man might
get 1001. for coming down, but I did not say it.
Prisoner—Did you ever say anything about getting
money for it?—l never expected any money. I have
received none. I have never mentioned anything about
it. Indeed I could produce my surgeon to show I was
most anxious to avoid coming d'iwn, but that he did not
think me ill enough to give me a certificate.
Prisoner—Oh, then, you felt some compunction at
coming down?—l did not wish to come down. lam
perfectly a stranger in the place. It was against the
wish of my friends I came.
The JUDGE.-The witness denies he ever said any-
thing to the effect that he would come down and swear
one side or another for 201.
Witness—l deny that I ever said such a thing. I was
told by a witness I said so, but I deny it.
The JUDGE—Now call your witness.,
Arthur Hyde was then placed in the witness-box
and examined by
The JUDGE—Did you ever hear William Frederick
Howe say he would come down to Norwich and swear
at either side for 201., or anything of that sort ?—I did,
my Lord.
Prisoner—Well, I don't know I have anything else to

ask you.
The JUDGE—You cannot ask the witness
something which the
else unless you wish to ask him . anything
other witnesses stated be never said.
Prisoner—No, my Lord. I have got quite enough for
what I want.
The witness was then subjected
oi.to
anda
searchingstate
d h
e crosslived-
at_ IS, James street, New. at the top of Baker-street,
but had his office as accountant at 39, Lamb's Conduit-
street. The Prst time he had even seen Howe was on
4th of December last, when the latter used the ex-
th
re esson His name was not on the door,
p iin question.
but there was an office-bell; he paid 254 a-year rent for
the first floor as offices, and had been in occupation
since the Christmas before last. Would swear he kept s
clerk; the clerk's name was Williamson. Witness beside
keeping books and accounts was an estate-agent. He
managed the estate of Laxton, in Shropshire; it was a
brewer's. He went to the Wheatsheaf, because there
was an Elocution Society there. He was chairman of
the society on the 4th of December. Before he became
an accountant he had been a publican. Had never kept
a coffee-shop, but had the lease of a house in which a
coffee-shop was kept. Had been once in the police of
London, but had resigned. Originally had come from
Ireland. When Howe used the words in question they
were all joking and laughing in the coffee-room of the
Wheatsheaf. They all treated what ho said as a joke.
Witness said that the assertion made by Howe was very
serious.