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EFFECTIVE STRENGTH OP VOLUNTEERS,

Sir THOMAS TURTON, in rising to make his
Motion, in pursuance of his notice, fur a Rut Urn of
the EtTectii.e Strength of the Volunteers„ felt it im-
possible not to partake, in the satisfidion of the
House and of the Public, that a Noble Lord, whOrn
he did not then see in his plaCe, was to-morrow (this
igall) to bring forward I proposition, in which this
part of the National Force was to be adequately pro-
vided for. There was a Return similar to , that he
wished to call forAefore the House, presented in
December last ; but as he,knew that it was itiacc-a-
rate with resped to three or four regiments, he was
sorry that it could not be seen from it how far it
was to be depended on. It was peculiarly desirable,
in 'the present situation of the country, to kfiow
what wits the effe&ive Strength of its Volunteer
Force; and it was not to be concealed that that
Force-had greatly decreased in consequence of the
discouragements which it had met with: He was
convinced, however, that the Volunteers were hound
at heart ;, and. that, . with a little encouragement,
they would again fall into their ranks ; and, in the
present state of the country, they should look to the
Volunteers principally for the defence of the coun-
try. He should conclude by moving—" That there
be laid before the House a Return of the Effedive
Strength of the Volunteer Force of Great, Britain
and Ireland, distinguishing Cavalry from Infantry,
to. the latest period to which the same can be
made out."

The CHANCELLOR • of Me EXCHEQUER
had no •objetaion to the Motion, as be thought that
every imbrmation on this subject should be afforded
to the House. But he apprehended that the I-lon.
Baronet would be disappointed, jibe vxpeeted More
accurate 'information in this Return than in that
which had been laid on the.table in December •last.
The Inspecting Field Officers had then been done
away, and the Returns were made by the Comman-
ding Officers of the Corps, without any check on the
part of Government. These •Inspetling Field Olin-
cers had been only just appointed ; and, though they
might haVe made Returns of a few corps,, the great
Mass of the Returns, which, by the law, were to he
'made. every three months, would still rest on the
same authority as the Returns to which the Hon..
BarOnet had alluded,

Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE contended, that if any
relaxation had taken place in the zeal of the Volun-
teers, it was because there 'did not appear the same
occasion for their services ; and that, when the,,gne-
my should again appear on the coast, they would
again rally round their standards. If the VolUnteers
had been ,worked,- as formerly, he was sure titeir
numbers would have diminished. The measures of
the late Administration respeating their, he insisted,
were wise. He felt warm on this subjeet, because
he had commanded a Volunteer Corps since 1794,
and he knew them to be attached to their Sovereign
and the .Constitution. Whilst he had a limb- to
stand upon he should be found at his post, and he
was persuaded the Volunteers,Would be found to ad-
here steadily to the principles upon which they as-
sociated. •

Sir THOMAS TURTON replied, and contend-
ed, that such discouraging language as " armed de-
mocracy," " depositaries of panic," Bcc. which had
been applied to them in Parliament, had principally
_trtnrleti to diminish the numbers of the Volunteers.
It was impossible um iuem, naving fife recline -or
men, to be insensible to terms of reproach-;, and it
required all the. influence of their Officers to keep
them from chewing .their sense of them, by with-
drawing from their corps. Ile had raised the corps
he now commanded in 1794; and had the satisfac-
tion to state, that whatever provocation might have
been given to the Volunteers, his corps had not been
influenced by it.
The Motion was then. agreed to.
A Message from the Lords acquainted the House,
that their Lordships had agreed to the Three. Mil-
lions Exchequer Bills' Bill, and to the Two Mil-
lions and a Half Exchequer Bills' Bill, without any
amendments.

It was ordered on • the motion of Mr. CHARLES
DUNDAS, that a Comtvittee be appointed to consider
thp Standing Order of the House 'of the 24th of
November, 1699, relative to the proceedings in
Committees on Private sills, in order to enable the
Chairman of such Committees, immediately upon
their being appointed, to issue summonses for the at-
tendance of persons before them, tbr the purpose of
having them ready at the Committee seven days
after its appointment, Which summons, according. to.
the same 'tandingOrder, could not have been issued
before the meeting of the Committee.

Mr. FOATER obtained leave to bring in a Rif), to
Continue for a time to be limited, the Aet of the
9gth of the King, relative to .Dimillaries. Also, 4
Bill to provide for better regulating and securing
the Duties on Gold and Silver Plate tnanufadured
in Ireland.

The 'Windsor Forest Bill passed through a Com-
mittee ; to be reported to•morrow.
Ordered on the Motion of the SECRIITARY at
Win. that there-be laid before. the House -a Re..
turn of the Number of Men raised for the Regular
Army, in June, 1867, and the corresponding periods -
of 1805 and 1 RO6, distinguishing those raised by the
Additional Force Bill, by Regimental Recruiting,
and also Men from Boys.
. Mr. HOEHOUSR bronght up the. Report of the
Committee of Supply, when the several Resolutions
were agreed to:
Mr. CHARLES GRANT moved the Order of the
Day for the second reading of the East India Com-
pany!s Bonds Bill.
On the question being put,
Mr. CREEVEY rose, not to negative the second
reading of this' Bill, but to niche that the, second
reading of it be put off, till the East :India Accounts
now pitting, should be in the bands of the Mem-
bers. The House was not in possession of anTdo-
cuments to prove the expediency of agreeing to
such a measure, This Was the first' instance in
which that House had been called upon to pass such
a measure, without previous inquiry into the grounds
upon which it was foundct4 by leaving the Petition
referred to a Committee of the House to -examine
into its allegations. There were at present two
Budgets in arrear, and the last Accounts Of the
India Company, to which the Houio could' resort
for information, showed the affairs of the Comp any
to' be in a ruinous state. By these accounts it sp.;
peareo, that there was an excess of above two rail-

lions the Company's foreign expenditure over
their revenue, and a loss of 2,200,0001. in their trade
at'home: Under these circumstances, and wh:ist
the Company had a debt of seventeen millions at
home, payable at the option of the holders, he did
not think that Parlilment would do right to pass
this Bill without inquiring what means the, Com-
pany had of discharging, as well their former debt,
a 4 this new incumbrance. He should therefore, not-
withstanding the prospea held out by the HOn.
DireCtor opposite, of a permanent peace, and con-
sequent prosperity of the affairs of the Company,
move as an Amendment, that the Bill be read a
second time on this day fortnight.
Mr. GRANT rOplied, that though the Hon.
Member might be aetuated.by a desire to promote
the public interest, he took the wrong course in his
speech, for- his arguments were founded in ignorance,
not in his knowledge, of the subje& - The sole"
and simple reason for bringing forward the Bill be-
fore the India Accounts could be brought under the
consideration of the House was, that if that course
had not been taken, the Bill could not be passed, this
Session. - The Honourable Member was aware how
difficult it was to prepare the Indian Accounts, so
as that they could be presented in a form to be in-
telligible to the Members of that House. He was
sorry to find an Hon. Gentleman who had filled the
situation lately held by that Hon. MeMber, so igno-
rant of the affairs of the Company as to make the
assertions he had done. It was true that by the ac-
counts on the table there appeared a deficit at home
of above 2,200,0001. which the Hon. Member had
stated to be the amount of the Company's Joss on
their trade, whereas it had arisen from the quantity
of stores and other articles which were necessarily
sent out, in consequence of the situation in which
the Company's Settlements were placed. By the
plan adopted in 1802 for the liquidation of the Com-
pany's debt, it had been recommended to send out
from Europe considerable qdantities of bullion; in
order-to avoid the necessity of making loans on im-
provident terms in India. This had been done
in 1803, 4, and 5 ; but the sums and bullion so sent
had been applied to the purposes of the wars that
then existed, so that no reduetion of the debt had
taken place. 'So' also, when the system in India had
been changed by Marquis Cornwallis," considerable
SLIMS had been sent out, not for commercial pur-
poses, but for the general expenditure of the
.Presi-
dencies in India. Under these circumstances, the
Company, though by law authorised to increase their
funded stock, had applied to Parliament for authori-
ty to issue bonds, and this was a much better course,
,for the public, because, if the stock of the Company
should not be worth any thing, it would be irretriev-
able to
.the holders, whereas the bonds might or
might riot be taken at the option of the individuals
who might speculate in, such, securities. What he
had said with respect ito the prospect of peace, was
founded on the Report made by the Governor-Gene-
ral, and he was persuaded that the jealousies of the
Native Powers had been extinguished by the con-
ciliating disposition vanifested towards them by our
Government. On all these 'grounds, be.should vote
that the Bill be now read a second time.

Lord FOLKSTONE defended the statement of ,
his Hon. Friend (Mr. Creovey), as to the situation of
the East India Company's affairsi and contended for
the propriety rof deferring the discussien Oil the
pieties slimed be to the liandsiof the
Members. He protested against the implied gua-
rantees-that Would be given to the security, of the
bonds, without sufficient investigation of the state
of -the CoMpany's affairs. To issue bonds without
such a guarantee, would be to delude the public.
Lord HOIPICK insisted upon the propriety of
waiting till the documents now printing should be
before the House. The importance and extent of
the measure to be proposed' to-morrow, for the de-
fence of the country, would invOlve details, which
would, in all probability, keep Parliament sitting for
so loeg a time, as to allow full opportunitY'to
this measure after ample discussion. • The state-of
the East India Company was such, that if the Home
could not in this Session go into a particular' 'eve,
tigatiOn of the Company's affairs, it ought ift
pledge itself by a Resolution to., do so in the next.—
He on the declining, state of :the Com-
pany's investments and sales; on the increased dan
gers menacing our Indian Possessions, from the in-
crthised power of Bonaparte, whose, hostile designs
against our Indian Empire were well known. He
insisted also op the instability of the'Pcace with the
Native Powers in 'lndia.. He was of opinion, that
those who should advance money on the credit of.
these bonds would have a clairfi upon the public, if,
the Company should prove unable to discharge them.
(Certainly not; said Me, Charles Grant:) That-was
in •his opinion at least doubtful.. If the ComiianY
could raise the money,on its own credit, why did it
come to Parliament ? If the sanaion of Parliament
was necessary, was it not in order togiVe the, bonds
a credit, which implied a Aanalion,- amounting virtu-
ally to a guarantee
Mr. DUNDAS defended the rayaing of 'money
upon bonds, in .preference to the augmentation of
the Company's capital, which .the:' Company was
already by law entitled to make. With respe& to
the urgency of passing thellia Soon, he believed it was
strictly a Private Bill, and must of course be reported
this day sennight, or fall to the ground. This, how-
ever,, The- House .may dispense with. With respeEt
to the state of the Company's affairs, though ex-
, pensive wars had brought on heavy charges, the
Indian tmpire was as little ruined by those heavy
charges as this country was. by the heavy' wars it
had to stAtain in Europe. Neither did the failure
of commercial speculations in one or two years
imply absolute ruin, The .West India -Merchants
also'were under difficulties i but nobody thought
of saying they were in danger of being ruined. He
denied that the passing of this Bill amounted to a
gearantee on the part of Parliament. It might as
well be argued, that Parliament would be guaran-
.tee to the increase of the capital Which the COm--
pany had already power to make by Act .of Par-
,
.liarnent.

Dr. LAWRENCE, as a Member of ParliaMent,
ignorant on this subject, and entitled to informa-
tion, contended' that no farther proceedings should
be had on this measure, without frill inspection of
such documents as could be had. There would be
abund:mt time for .this. It waS generally, under-
stood that the SeSsign could net be tetelipated iu
less thou '#ve weeks.

The CIItINCELI,OI? of the EXCHEQUER
thought it strange that as this measure had been
agreed to by the late Board of Controul, it should
now be opposed- by the Secretary to that Board
(Mr.' CRECYKY). He denied, that Parliament. in
passing the Bill, guaranteed the Bonds. The pre-
sent 'high price of the Company's Stock, 180 per
cent. was a sufficient proof of the Company's credit,
and the stability of its funds;-withOut" the mid' of
Parliament. The present dismission, was, at least, a
sufficient notice that Parliamint gave no sanaion.
The Parliament was never st}pposed to sanaion the
West India Dock Company, or .any' other.private
speculating Company, when an Aet was passed en-
abling such Company to increase its capital. It
was allowed on all hands, that the Company wanted
was the best mode of granting-that relief,
Sir A. WgLLESLEY supported the measure, and
maintained the propriety of proceeding upon it with-
out delay. The Company's investments bad been
fully attehtlea to: The difficUlties arose from the
State of the Continental market, goods to the amount
Of 7;000,0001. being on hand. The territorial reve.
nue in India afforded a surplus of 1,000,0001. above
the expenditure. The late Wars had rendered our
EMpire in India more secure against any attempt
from the Native Powers.

Lord MORPETH recommended a minute investiga-
tion-of the Company's affairs, with a view to a comet
'plete settlement. Temporary arrangements were
indeterminate and unsatisfaaory.
Mr. LAMBE thought Parliament bound to investi-
gate the solvency of the parties to whom it granted
power to raise money, and of course responsible iii
the event of those parties proving insolvent. The
question being put, a division took place,
For reading the Bill a second time now J 5

Against it _ - - 10
Tire Bill was accordingly read a second thne, an 4
ordered to be committed on Monday.
'ln the Committee on the Irish Distillery Bill, Sir
JOHN NEWPORT insisted on the propriety of with-
holding the Bounties to Stills containing above five
hundred gallons. These bounties gave an advantage
of one shilling a gallon to these distillers. The'
smaller distillers could not go on under this disadvani
tage; He moved an Amendment to limit the dura•
tion of the Bohnties to Ist November next.
Mr. FOSTER defended the allowance to the larger
Stills.
The Clause was rejeeled.
The Report,of the Bill to be received to-morrow,
In the Committee on n the Irish Cu3tonts Fees•
Compensation Bill, Sir Jouti Nuw PORT contended
that the compensation should he taken from the
Consolidated Fund, as was dune in this Country.
Mr. FOSTER said the charge was general on the
commerce relieved from the Fees, with the excep,
tion of imports and exports between Great Britain
and -Ireland, Which by the Union could not bo
charged.
The Bill was agreed to in the original form ; thei
report to he received to-morrow..
The Resolutions of the Committee of Ways and
Means, brought up by Mr. Hoatausz, were ogrt.ed
to, and Bills ordered accordingly.
The Frogmore Grant Bill was brought in, and
read a first time, to be read a second time to-inor-.
row ; alqo, the Irish Hospital Bill, and the Sac
. Duty Bill.—Adjourned.

MALLS.
ARRIVLD—I Lisbon. Due--3 Gottenburgli, s Lisbon,
Dublin. z

PRICE OF STOCKS
TEik,IS DAY AI TWELVE O'CLOCK.
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THE SUN.

SOLEM QUIS DICZRE FALSUM AUDIAT

LONDON,

FRIDAY, JULY 17, (807.

So great have, been the exertions of the Adrni,
ratty to prepare a Fleet for the Baltic, that •upwardi
of ..>0 Sail of the Line will be re idy to sail iii a fey(
days.. Adriliral.G.matza is to have the command,
and Sir HOME POPHAM is to be Captain of the Fleet.
Admiraf;ESSINGTON, and Commodores Sir S. Hoag
and Ic.EATs, are to have commands. There is every
reason to hope that.by.this prompt and vigorous f"..
ertion, the danger which has been apprehendediof
Rltipture with Denmark, may be averted.
•

Tins morning Government received Dispatches ,
from Alexandria; dated the 21st of May, and it is
with much concern we state, that they contain an
account of the death of that gallant and worthy
Officer Sir THOMAS Louis. Hu died, after an
illness of only two days, on hoard the Panoiis•
The Garrison of Alexandria was in good health,
and proviiions were abundant. The Albanians
bad made two or three demonstrations of ,an
intention to attack the City, but did not venture
to make any serious attempt. *Our Troops burnt f.
about 30 of their Germs. :We trust that the next
accounts from that quarter will' inform us of the
;evacuation of Egypt by our Troops. In the present
posture of affairs, we cannot spare men enough for
414 conquest of ggypt, and the mere possession of
:4lolndria cannot be attended with any advantage.

Government have not received any official intelli-
gence of the Preliminaries of Peace having been
signed between Russia, Prussia, and Franeel but
there seems no reason to doubt that that event took
place on the ad inst.

It is with much pleasure we state, from authority:
that an investigation has commenced upon the
`frAnsa.6tions to which we lately alluded, respelling
the department of the Foreign Cdips. We shall of
9oo.rse forbear to make any comment oa 119 6ubje44

as it will form part of that general system now
adopted, which is to comprehend an inquiry into
abuses in the public service, wherever they may
have prevailed, or from whomsoever they may have
received countenance and prate ion.

This morning arrived a Mail froth Lisbon, brought
to Fahnouth by the. Prince tf !Pales Packet, Capt.
Tonn, in thirteen days passage.

We are happy to announce the safe arrival, in the
Downs, of the hOmeward-bound West India

under the convoy of La Pique.

The following Notice was yesterday posted at
•Lloyd's

Tortningem, 34y s.

" The Order given by the English Consul, for all British
Ships to leave this Port, is countermanded; there being no
reason to apprehend any hostile measure in this quarter."

A list of Officers and Men, survivors from the
wreck of His Majesty's late. Sloop Nautilus, now in
the Fleet under the command of Vice-Admiral
CUTHBERT Lord COLLINGWOOD :
Alex. Nesbitt; H. Chillingworth, Aaing Master; john
Boone, Purser ; Charles Drummond, Gunner; Anth. Reed,
;Waster's Mate; T. Curson, and T. Glare, Midshipmen.

Seamen George Smith, James Douglas, David Wilson,
Alex. Pitrie, James Smith, George Ross, Thos. Colsson,
Wm. IVeir, Wm. Webber, Francis M'Mahon, Dan. Hearty,
Charles Walker,, Atith. Bowden, Richard Williams, Jacob
Horsnn,' Wm. Eastaway, Cornelius Oates, Robert Carey,
Geo. Wallace, Thonias Driver, Robert Murray,Wm. Crom-
bie, John Bulger, Jonathan Crobtroce, Wm. Williams, Robt.
Wiggins, John Taylor, Satit. Wield, Henry Page, John An-
derson, Edward Graham, Richard Ball, John Elliott, John
COmbes, Jos. Thomas, Thos. Middletnast, Robert Smith,
Geo. Wilmot, James Wield, John Fitzpatrick, John Mac-
Carty, John Nagle, Edward Not, Wm. Wilkinson, James
Rourke, Thos. Colvin, Chas. Williams, Jaines Thompson,
Wm. Smith, Robt. White, and Andrew Selhan.
Marines—Joseph Saville, John Lugg, Ralph Waterhouse,
John Taylor, and Thos. Needham.

FRANKFORT, JULY I.—Tbe Gazette of Munich
announces the:death of the• Prussian Minister Count
HAUGWITZ. The . Aschaffenberg.G-iette contaitA
the folloiing article :--L" It is stated in a public
paper, under the head' Frankfort, June 14, that in
consequence of a private Treaty, his Highness the
Prince Primate bas ceded the city of Ratisbon to
the King of Ravaria." It has been officially an,
jounced that no such Treaty exists.
An Ordonance has been published at Dusseldorf,
forbidding all persons to lrmoke without haying
covers to their pipes, and prohibiting the use of to-
bacco to youths under 16 years of age.

The Committee appointed by the House of Coun-
t-ions to dtc;.l,.. in thc first instance on Mr. PALMER'S
Ptlitioli, have l'cl)olted-that• Mr. Pis 'plan appeared
to them to he most meritorious ;• that it was carried
into oreet by the most strenuous exertion, accom-
panied by the s riciest economy ; that stands there-
-11..0:it-tied to a salary of 15001. per annum,. which
NS' isfixed as a commutation for his percentage on the
fir,t increase of the Post Office Revenue and also to a
continuance of the'specified per Centage. They add,
" that the remuneration proposed to be allowed to
Wt. PALMER Will be but a small part ofthat revenue,
which his a&ivity, integrity, and zeal; have created;
xeltisive of the numerous advantages accruing to the
Public and to Commerce "
On Saturday 'evening, betwixt the hours of nine
andlen, a violent "storm of thunder, lightning, and
rain took place at Hull, which continued for about
~an hour: the rain fell in such torrents that several
of the streets were, for a short time, rendered irn-
'passible, the water in some of them.being nearly a
'foot in depth. The lightning was almost incessant,.
:the atmosphere appearing enveloped in one con-
tinued and vivid expanse of flame, which, with 'the
'occasional rushing of the wind, anthremendous roar
Of the accompanying peals of thunder, formed a
iVe6lacle at once sublime and awful.
On Wednesday last Capt. JAMES FINDLAY, jun.
• and Capt. Jones MAsow, jun. both employed itohe
'London trade from Hull, went down the Humber in
a boat, a fishing, taking with theM three of their ap-
prentices. Having made one haul with their net,
and caught several fish,' they were induced to try an-
Other, when all of them 'immediately left the boat,
and got upon the Trinity Sand, for the purpose, of
bailing the net along the edge of the water. They
. had only been a short time upon the sand, before
the flood tide comtnenced with such rapidity as tol
sender their situation extremely dangerous ; which'
Captain MASON pointed out to them, and requested
they would accompany him to the boat ; but they
refused, aucl desired him to run and fetch her near
them as possible whilst they secured the net and
fish : before he could reach the boat, the current took
him off fusleet, but he luckily caught hold 'of the
gunwale and got into her; he then immediately
dirceed his attention to his companions, whom
he saw stripping off their cloaths to endeavour to
save themselves by swimming—when. finding he
could not, by any exertions he was able to make,
get the boat near them, be threw the oars into
the water, which two of the boys, who could
awina, caught hold of, add by that means reached
the boat ; their united etThrts were then dire&ed
to the preservation of Capt. FINDLAY and the other
ho Y, but without effete; by the rapidity of the tide;
unfortunately, they were swept off the sand, and
precipitated into a watery and untimely grave. Cep-
tain FINDLAY was a young man much respeaeal ;
he has left a widow (now with child) andsone itt•
fant boy to regret that he did not attend to the earnest
request of some of his friends, who pointed out to
bun the hazard of this fishery to those unacquainted
with the practice of it.
Rugby School opens, under its new Head Master,
on Saturday the 25th instant.

SMItIIFIEL D MARKET, Tiny 17.
,This day's tnarket had but a short supply of dif-
ferent kieds of Cattle; Beef, Mutton, Veal, arid
Lamb are cheaper than our last report ; Polk SUP'
pt)rts last price, anal the trade tbr the must part W 39
not over bcisk.—The ',ales in the Haymarket "were
not lively ; Str:lw and Ciuvei- have'druppecl
411%,11,!;:1 kvi.