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feeling of the house upon a question about to be raised
at the bar of their Lordships' House, would be allowed
to weigh materially against the petitioners. Neither he
nor any of their Lordships was supposed to know all the
appeals that were :pending, but they might ascertain
for themselves from the petition what bad passed in.
Scotland, and consider the propriety of interfering.
There was such a thing as a schistn- from a church,
but there was no such thing as .schism from a sect.
There was a great practical grievance in this com•
plaint of the petitioners. The .Episcopal Church of
Scotland was in that respect worse off than the Churck
of ROMP, for a Romanist, if he recanted, !could be rte.
ordained, and, if ,any one would give •it him, enjoy a
living of 4,0001. a year—(A laugh)—but a member or
this so-called younger sister church in Scotland could
not be re-ordained, or be presented to a Hying in the
English Church.—(Hear.) 110 hoped that out of this
long discussion justice and peace would result.
The petition was then ordered to lie on the table.
THE NAVIGATION-LAWS.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that in conse-
quence of the late hour, he would defer tbie Co•rmittee
ou the navigation-laws from this evening ;until Thurs-
day, when he hoped they should proceed with the quea.
tion without the presentation of- any petitions again
postponing the question.—(A laugh.). i
Their Lordships adjourn, d at Ten o'clock.

ROUSE OF CO.IIMOIVS, May 22.
The 'SPEAKER. took the Chair at Five minutes before
Four o'clock.

LORD DUDLEY STUART..
Mr. WRIGHTSON moved that Lord Dudley Stuart
be allowed to attend and vote in the Committee on Group..
19 of Opposed Private Bills, in respect tit, the Bill for
which he was added to that Committee, notwitbstAnding,
the clerk of the Committee of Selection bas pot received.
from him the prescribed form of declared*, with his
signature attached, provided he delivers in such deelara•
ation forthwith.—Agreed to.
PETITIONS.
Mr. ANDERSON presented a petition from a place
in Scotland, praying for a reform in the parochial arm"
education in Scotland.

Mr. OSBORNE presented a petition from St. Luke's,
Middlesex, in favour of the appointment of a Committal
to inquire into the assessment of the metropolitan police.
Mr. C. LUSHINGTON-presented a petition from St.
George's, Westminster, against the projected removal of
Smithfield ;Market; and concluded by moving that the
petition be referred to the Committee cn Smithfierd
Market.—Agreed to.
Mr. PORTAL presented a petition from Hampshire,
complaining of agricultural distress in that county.
Mr. MILNER GIBSON presented a petition Iron
Manchester, complaining that when clergymen got into
the Church they could notget out of it again—(La ugh ter)
—and praying that clergymen seceding from the Estab-
lished Church might have the full benefit of the Tolera-
tion Act.

Lord DUDLEY STUART presented a petition from
St. Pancras, praying for a reform in Parliament.
Mr. P. SCRO PE presented a petition from a society of
working men in London, in favour of home colonization.
Sir JOHN DUCKWORTH presented a petition
from Exeter against any alteration in the law of marriage.
Mr. OSBORNE presented a petition from John
Byrne, a policeman in the D division, complaining that
ho had been dismissed the service without sufficien;
reason.

Mr. VILLIERS presented a petition from Wolver,
hampton against any alteration in the Parliamentary-
Oaths Bill.

FRIENDLY SOCIETIES' BILL.
Mr. P. SCROPE rose to ask the Member for South
Wiltshire whether the Bill on Friendly Societies, which
he had introduced, will have the effect which is appre-
hended in some parts of the country, of depriving all
societies of the management of their own affairs, and of
taking possession of their funds for the use of the Go-
vernment.

Mr. SOTBERON said the Bill he had introduced re-
lating to Friendly Societies had for its object to enable-
members of those societies to ascertain fur themselves
their real condition.

NEW WRIT.
On the motion of Mr. NEWDEGATE a new writ
was ordered to issue for the election of a Member foe
South Warwickshire, in the room of Mr. Shirley who
has accepted the Chiltern Hundreds.

POOR RELIEF.
Lord NUGENT said he would, on an early day, move
for a Committee to inquire into the practicability of
charging the relief of the destitute poor in England and
Wales oh the general funds of the country.
PRIVATE BILLS.
The reports on the following Private Bills were taken
into feonsideration, and agreed to:—
P,irkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire Junction Rail.
wriy (Abandonment of Part ,or Line, Extension to Lon.
don and North Western Railway, &c.) Bill.
Cockerraouth and Workingtou Railway (Branch to
Bridgcfoot, Amendment of Act, and Power to lease to
Whitehaven Junction Railway Company) Bill.
Congleton Iticlosure Act Amendment Bill.
THE DERBY DAY.
The Marquis of GRANBY rose to move that thitt
House will, at the rising of the House of this day, ad-
journ till Thursday next. He- thought it would be unne-
cessary to explain the object with which he brought for.
ward that motion.—( A laugh.) It had been an immemorial
custom for the House to adjourn on the day usually
culled the Derby•day, fOr the purpose of taking part, or
so many of the Members as chose to do so, in a great
national recreation. He would remind the House,
as an additional reason for agreeing to his 'notion,
that they had been deprived this year of one
of their holidays by- reason of In r Majesty's
birth-day falling on a Saturday.—(Laughter.) Besides,
there were officers belonging to the House who wanted
to go and see the Derby run for.
S:r GEORGE GREY said, for his part, he was not
prepared to vote in favour of the motion unless there was
a general wish for the adjournment the part of the
House.

AGLIONBY (amid lot:d cries of "Divide")
,protested agaimt the llouse adjohruing over to-morrow,
inasmuch as he had a very important Bill for the en-
franchisement of copyholds to bring before the Housk
to. morrow, which had several times already been post-
poned.

- Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD took the same view
of the motion as the Hon. Member for Cockermouth.
After a few words from Mr. ANSTEY, who would
Tote in favour or the motion,
Mr. REYNOLDS said it was not his intention to op-
pose this motion, unless he got a satisfactory answer
from the First Lord of the Treasury to a question he
would ask. It was quite clear that the Hon. Member for
Cockermouth had not "made up a book"—
(Laughter)—and that " Chatterer" was no favourite
in that House.—(Laughter.) He deeply regretted that
the Hon. Member for Cockermouth had not " made up
a book" for this, among other reasons, that Chatterer
was au Irish horse.—(Laughter.) He would ask dui
Members of the Government if they were going
to the Derby?—(Laughter.) In that event he would
most cordially vote for the motion.

The gallery was then cleared for a division, and on our
re-admission there appeared—
For the motion ,
Against it ...
Majority

... 138
... 119

... --19

The result was received by a portion of the House
with great cheering.
Mr: LABOUCEIERE moved that the Committees
have leave to sit to -morrow, Notwithstanding the ad-
journment of the House.
After a few words from Mr. AGLIONBY,
The motion was agreed to without a division.
DURATION OF PARLIAMENTS.
Mr. D'EYNCOURT rose to dove for leave to bring is
a IBM for shortening the duration of Parliaments. The
'Right Hon. Gentleman, who was very indistinctly heard;
said there was scarcely a meeting of any importance held
in this country where the proceedings or conduct of that
House were discussed, in which the question of shorten-
ing the duration of Parliament, and thereby increasing
the responsibility of the Members of the Mouse of Com-
mons, had not been made matter of deliberation. He
trusted he would not be charged with impropriety if.
instead of waiting the result of agitation, be thought the
preferable course was to bring this question before the
House now.—(Hear, hear.) It was a question which, et
the time of the Revolution of 1688 occupied a consider-
able share of attention ; and in the ,Bill of Rights it wak
declared to be the right of the people ei( Englaln,clo, As
Parliaments should frequently assemble.
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question was brought more into
shape,
Act passed, though, as he would afterwardsand the TriTrionl.
show, un-
necessarily repealed. It could not be said that, this
question had been pressed unncessarily; on the cos itrar,
he had been blamed for being too lax regarding It. •
ng
had suffered two Parliaments to go by without bringi
it forward, precisely for the some reason that the peopl,
bad during that period not petitioned the H „wig 0 thli
subject, viz., because they did not believe 0 Jere was &VA
disposition on the part of Parliament to ,- • •-,,,„
able consideration to the proposal. W ese 6.1* l
sent Parliament would show a more , eiittl,•a, * • our!
lion remained to be seen ; end ti flti'vourr47/e*adieq,ol33.
of twelve years, lie had deem, 4el' el •
~d . ore, aftur a petit
forward
,as a question of p,,, it his catty to bring ii
By " pup. li,- right"
be mess-- Jlic right,—(Bearib 3
not cony
.sue longer the- .4t that Parliaments shoearl.."
respor
..ibilit, to ti,, .4 was sufficient to secure their
Pop'
~- -e ~n,„.„ Ai people.—(flear.) Formerly the -•
se , of r!"..' •untry enjoyed by practice and by habit
, 4/1136., I: antaments. That hah
Tudors and Stuarts, when
"„____utd up to the time .or the it
and
practice
con"
tewsetownto. oklnplla6c9e.4a,
egre.hoesshuasdur ton on the part of the
ointenadreedadtyo asetiteVe, tthheeToroienunntryial
Act was passed, being
Bill
from the Lang
from the disadvantages that had fledged 1 Parliaments. The preamble of thattwße recognised fre-
quent Parliaments as warranted by the. ancient law of
the kingdom. It continued in operation for twenty-two
. years, and he believed thereorwher°e no statutes that more
adorned the statute-book, ed greater regard the
dignity of Parliament and the liberties of the l
_pie.
than those passed if uring•this period.
,But the be
lion of 1715 was made a pretext for putting an dl*
the Triennial and Peuirg the Septennial Ac en
or or to
t, it
Was supposed that at the next elegtiou ,an attempt
would he made on the part of those 'whia le p rted the cause of the Petender to return men who woritilderi.-
deavour to change the dynasty, and restore the Stunts,
ahe passing of the Septennial Act, he contebne_cdae,di,s: 6:0.4
complete coup d'etat—an act of revolution •
thing could be more outrageous than that Parliament
elected for three years should vote its owns
couane
for seven years. Lie then proceeded to show that
he
' passing were
were
rear edesgtrruettetivreeza: ,
main grounds assigned for its
—viz, that triennial Parliaments occasioned
pease than septennial; and that they
the peace and security of Government. These were
mere pretexts. The Septennial Act, however, became
the law of the land, and so oiagustecrdid the people of
England become with its working, when they round eh.. great difference there was heaw..-- '1- - -