The Sun.
London, England, 1849-07-03 00:00:00

CONVICTS IN IRELAND.

Sir H. W. BARRON said he understood that the
Lord-Lieutenant in his discretion had commuted the
sentences of several prisoners in that country from
transportation to imprisonment. Under those circum-
stances, he (Sir H. W. Barron) wished to ask if the ex-
pense of the convicts thus kept at home was to be thrown
on the counties; for if that were so, it would be estab •
lishing a precedent which might hereafter be severely
felt by the rate-payers of counties?
Sir GEORGE GREY said he was not aware of the
cases to which the lion. Baronet referred. However, if
sentences were commuted by the Lord-Lieutenant from
transportation to imprisonment, the expense of main-
taining the prisoners in die country would unquestion-
ably fall on the rates.
Sir H. W. BARE ON asked whether it might not be
managed, as in other instances; t > have the prisoners
sent to the hulks and other depots which were provided
in both countries, thus preventing the expense falling so
directly on the rate-payers?
S r G. GREY said the law would not permit of such
an arrangement being made.
POOR-LAW (IRELAND) BILL.
On the order of the day being read for the House
going into Committee again on this Bill,
Sir H. W. BARRON moved the: insert'on of the fol-
lowingclause :—.• And whereas it is f 'and that out-
door ila demoralises the paupers, leads to grey . frauds,
pauperises the rate-payers, and destroys all motives for
exertion on the part of both landed proprietors and
capitalists, be it therefore enacted that, from the Ist of
January, 1850, it shall not be lawful for any board of
guardians in Ireland to grant relief to the able-bodied
poor out of the workhouse." The Hon. Baronet pro-
ceeded to state he was induced to submit the clause from
a conviction that this country could no longer defray the
enormous expense of out-door relief. Did the House
know the extent of the increase of out door
paupers. A recent Parliamentary return showed
that s' iin the Ballina Union there were 34,000
paupers; in Ballinrobo Union 46,000; in the Castlebar
Union, 21,000; in the Castlereagh Union, 16,000; in the
Newcastle Union, 17,000; and in the West Port Union,
27,000. Could any one believe that the property of
Ireland could support such a mass of pauperism. A.
great number of the unions in the south and west of
Ireland wore bankrupt, and in others it was of lute found
impossible to collect the rates. In the union of New
Ross, in one of the best counties in Ireland, Captain
Newport, a vice-guardian, reported that in one day he
had 300 applicants tor out-door relief, and that rates in
the union were no longer collectable. He asked whether
the Government was prepared to perpetuate a line of
policy which had been condemned by the Committee of
the House of Lords, and also by the Committee of their
own House? He warned the House that if they per-
sisted in this system they would have to return, as the
Right Honourable Baronet the Member for Tam-
worth had told them, to the legislation of former
years, and refuse to give out-door relief.
He cited a case in which about 150 young men walked
out of the workhouse one day when the stone-breaking
test was applied to them. This was an important
fact. Also a case that occurred under his own ob-
servation in the Waterford union, whereof one hun-
dred and two paupers applied for admission, think.
ing that out-door relief would be afforded them,
since they believed the workhouse was full;
room, however, was found for them; but the next
morning they decamped ; such was the success of the
in-door test. Again, many instances had occurrred of
women bringing up children that were borrowed for the
occasion, in order to obtain relief, and of the same chil-
dren being brought up again by different women for the
same purpose. It had been said that the rich parish of
Manchester had become alarmed because in a period of
great distress 1,200 or 1,300 people were receiving out-
door relief. a Surely if Manchester was alarmed at this,
with all its great resources, how much more reason had
they, in Ireland, to be alarmed where they had no re-
sources to meet the increased demand made upon the
impoverished farmers; for instead of having but 1,200
or 1,300 out-door poor to provide for, they had 10,000,
20,000, and even 40,000 to provide for. He dis-
claimed having brought his amendment forward
as a party question and to embarrass the Go-
vernment, seeing that the landowner was being
eaten up by this out-door relief, which should
be materially reduced in amount—that land was
going, out of cultivation, and that their best farmers
were selling off, and flying from their country to
America, where there was no out-door relief. Such
was the state of the country that it was like an
erratic bog, and if it had been submerged in the
Atlantic, or 300,000 Cossacks had invaded it. He
wished the House to express its opinion upon the matter.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL opposed the clause. It
was hardly proper, after having discussed the
broad question and decided upon it, that such
a clause should be brought forward. If they
were to refuse out-door relief to the able-bodied, in the
end, he feared, it would not be found economical, since
they would subsequently come to them as sick and dis-
abled poor. 700,000 were at present receiving relief, but
they were not of the able-bodied class, therefore the ob-
servation of the Hon. Baronet could not extend to them.
Mr. DICKSON characterised the opposition of the
Government as evincing a disposition to throw over the
Irish Members, which characterised also, he might say.
that House. Hon. Members unacquainted with Ireland did
not know the class of men they had to deal with in Ire-
land. They were just those who so long as they could
get a pull out of the poor-rates would not labour.
Out-door relief was demoralising and impoverishing the
country.

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COURT CIRCULAR.
The Queen and Prince Albert left Buckingham Pa-
lace at ten minutes past two o'clock yesterday afternoon,
for her Majesty's marine residence, Osborne, Isle of
Wight. Her Majesty and his Royal Highness- were
conducted to their carriage by the Master of the Horse,
the Lord Steward, the Lord Chamberlain, the Vice-
Chamberlain, Lord Waterpark, Viscount Clifden, Lieut.-
Colonel the Hon. Robert Boyle, and Captain Francis
Seymour.
Her Majesty and the Prince were accompanied by their
Royal Highnesses the Prince of Wales, Prince Alfred, the
Princess Royal, the Princess Alice, the Princess Helena,
and the Princess Louisa, and were attended by the Countess
of Mount Edgecumbe, lion. Elizabeth Frederica Lennox,
Major-General Bowles, Lord Alfred Paget, Lieut.-Colonel F.
11. Seymour, and Mr. Birch.
The august party went in five carriages to the Nine Elms
station, and left by a special train on the London and South-
Western Railway for Gosport. A detachment of the 11th
Hussars formed the escort from the Palace to the railway
' station.
Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent visited the
Queen at Buckingham Palace yesterday previous to her de-
parture, and took leave of her Majesty and Prince Albert.
Their Royal Highnesses the Duchess of Cambridge and the
Hereditary Grand Duchess of Mecklenburg Strelitz were
present in the House of Commons last evening.
Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Gloucester visited
their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
yesterday at Cambridge House.
A Cabinet Council was held yesterday, at the Foreign
Office. It "as attended by Lord John Russell, the Marquis
of Lansdowne, Sir George Grey, Viscount Palmerston, Earl
Grey, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir John Hobhouse,
Lord Campbell, the Right Hon. H. Labouchere, the Marquis
of Clanricarde, and the Earl of Ca/lisle.
The Council sat two hours.

On the 18th ult., at Mount Rivers, county of Waterford,
the lady of Colonel Sir Charles Shaw. of a son.
At Little Gonerby, on the 28th ult., the lady of Captain
C. Norr;s, late of the 64th Re-, iinent, of a daughter.
At Pennlark-hill, on the 29th ult., Mrs. J. B. Allan, of a
daughter.

R ED.
On the 30th ult., at St.MA
Mary's, Islington, Mr. William H.
Lawton, CommandfT of the ship Dartmouth, East Indiaman,
to Louisa Matilda, eldest daughter of the late Isaac Shaw,
Esq., Landing Surveyor of her Majesty's Customs, London.

On the 29th tilt., in London, after a painful illness of three
years' duration, in his rOth year, Mr. John Joseph Hadley,
Proprietor of the Cheitenham Journal, whose virtues as a bla-
b 'rd and father will l ng be remembered by the wife and
children who survive him.

London: Printed and Published by MURDO YOUNG, of
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Stand. in the Precinct of the 6uvoy, in county of
bliddloaex, Tuevlay, July 3, 1849.