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PRIVATE BILLS.

On the motion of Lord WALstsollA3t, it wag ordered, thitt
no Petition% for Private Bilk should be I:excivt,lat'rer Titesday,
the 15th of February, nor any Report on a Private Bill after
• Friday the Ist of April.

••
COMMENCEMENT PUBLIC, BUSINESS.
The Earl of LIVIMMQL observed, that it wonbi be
.11. gee.lt
coOVeoietice to the Nr,hle raid Learned Lnrd ori the Wilolsach,
and to those Noble Lor.is Who bad to, attend e.tn,es, if it was
understood that, until tip.; Christmas recess, public busine,:s
should confluence at !fair-past 'four, instead of live, anti be
as Mull it therefore to-he so understood.
The Duke of Noneovt. ;;ssi•nted to this understanding, pro-
t.hied it was also miderstood that it •!iould not extend to mo-
tions of whichldiee had been given; to. which Lord
Liver-
pool agreed. Adjourned till to-tnorrow (this day.) •

1101 tii; OF COMMONS.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS.

. Sir S. RomtetY presented a petition from the
Insolvent Debtors,' complaining of delay in .the
execution 'of the Act passed last Session. As, how-
ever, the petition contained an imputation on a
learned and respectable friend of his Mr. (Serjeant
Palmer, the Commissioner under the Act), who
not having a seat in that House,conld nut have
tin opportunity of repelling; the charge where it
was brtinght, he should only move that the peti-
tiou do lie upon the table.,
Arr. El. AnntNoTorr Said, that from 'the delay
seltieli had 'taken place in the execution of the Act,
it should seem that blame must attach in one quar-
. ter or another. An idea had indeed gone 'abroad,.
that seine degree of blame was attributable to a
Noble Relmive his; (Lord Sidmouth), but he
was ready to prove and to rdemonstrate, that every
. effort Wheel) used by that Noble Person, in his
&lick! capacity, to expedite and give efficiency to
the Act. There' had, however, been considerable
ditiieultv in Selecting a person fully. competent to
the diseharge.of the office of Commissioner, and
'that 'difficulty had, been increased by the extraordi-
nary orni'.4sion in the Act of any specific salary to
the person undertaking the office.
Mr Alderman SMITH said a few words.
Mr. Kr.witrox said, that the idea bad been that
the salary should not be fixed before hand, but
Shotdd be left to depend upon the nature and ex-
tent of the dutieS which the execution of the of-
fice was Irmod to involve. fie thought it would
have been an nuportant addition to the Act itself,
it it had abolished the Hades of the King's Bench,
so far at least as to prevent debtors from living ,
in a fitylile of extraganee on property. which did not
really belong to them, but was munstly,witbheld
&oat their creditors.
-Sir S. RostILLY also stated, that the omission
in 'the.Act of the mention of a salary, was not
owing to neglect or oversight, but because the du-
ties themselves of the new office being uncertain,
it was thought advisable to let the salary remain a
subject of (mare 'regulation.
The ArroRNEY-GENERAL observed, that Scr-
jemit Palmer was one of his oldest professional
friends, and he was confident, frorn all he knew
of him, that the consideration of salary would not
have interposed one tin:trtec of an hour's delay in
the execution of the 'Act. •
The CHANCELLOR 01 the EXCHEQUER that
it was fully undeistood that Government could
not be responsible for the payment of an 'aderptate
salary, till the amount wits determined and made
gitod by Parliament.
The petition was then ordered to lie on the
table. -

•
`THANKS TOMAJOR-GENERAL GEORGE ANSON AND
LIEUT.-GE`, Slit THOMAS,PiCTON.
The SPEAKiit observing Major. General ANSON
in his place, addressed him- to the following
facet --- • • .
" major-General George. Anson, the last time I had the
of addreAstng yon, you came before this House to receive
our thanks, for your share in the glorious battle of TalaVera-,-
Pursuing the same successful career, under the same
?lions Commander, it is more 'gratifying than surprising to
As, to find that you have.rcapel additional laurels—r, firer,
bear !'.--The badge of honour whirl] you wear for your ser-
vices at Tatavero, Wings to wind your decisive conduct at the
pitssage of the Douro-401d the destruction which the cavalry
undor your command poured on the reariznard'of the enemy,
on that memorable ,day-rflleur !)--,At Vittoria, alsoi•when
;.with the.teft wing. of the allied army, .under the commando(:'l.lrut.
Gan. Gruhara, a name never to be mentioned in'
• thosiiiinhis of this' country, but with sentiments of entlm.
siastle actoilratiOn, your efiertions contributed touch to that
triumph; You cut off the retreat of the, enemy's legions into
anceoinid 311. Eitrupe has heard of the skill atid bravery
which yolittliett hear!).-..;1a one one of the
• "proudesl,rewards which can he conferred,. on ivalorle arid abi-
lity, I do now, in the mane mid by the command of the Com-
mons of Great Britain and Ira land, deliver to you their una-
nimous -Thanks tar vane achievements at th, battle of Nola-
mom, on the:lBth tif July, 181.2, when a decisive vielorY was
obtained over the faros of the energy; mid for, you'r, great
exertions at the battle of Vittoria, on the of June last,
where theienemy again stistaitie4 a signal defeat iron the
troops tindei the command of the Marquis of Wellington."—
(Hear,' hear) •
• Alajor.:•Geti..Assox expressed his sense of the
high honour conferred upon him, and attributed
the snocess of Iris etforts principally to the'
dispatitions and powerful. genius of the great 001.7
cer tinder whom' he acted.
The Sl'HAlcntt then addressed.LientenantGene-
ral Sir TuomAs PIGTO N • to the following effect :7--
"Lieiaciiiiin,niinerot Tlioniiii Victor', yowl:Ave been
long sineeenrolled among, those skilful and brave Officers, by
; whom the military greatness Of this country has been raised
to its prekenteminenee, and we rejoice thicilay to see you
amongst us, claiming a new tribute of thanks.--ifiettr !)—By
your sword,-- the British troops were led on to the vict,wi,ois
assault of Ciudad Rodrigo--by your daring had, the ltriti.,:h
standard wait planted un the Citadel of BadalOs ; Hien the
Usurper Of the Throne made his lasteffurt at Vittoria),
your inittalionswere foremost in the engagement-41bl troops
fled from thein with terror and distuay,-iutd by your valour,
the enemy was friotrat eel in his desperate attempt to break
through thOfigriier dif the l',yrenee,i,und to raise ti siege
e of
paw/drum-0 fear: bearl)-IJavitig thus reaped rr double
lotrveAt of glory in one year, you. now come forward to receive
ouri'lmOlatand I do now, in the mamo, and by the command
of the•Comnions of the United Kingdom of Great jig itain and
IL. baud; voaddleir—tinsusistaousks.-...f0r

,s-rent exertion, in C,e: 'llst of :lone Lt.!. at 'Vittoria, when
-the French army wa, ,!efeat-c-d by the forc.-3 under •the'ema-
matrtl of the of ‘,Vellingfon ; and for. the valour and
steturnic,, whi(,ii you disphyed, repeilitv the. repeated at-
-00 the British p..isitiow, by tilt Army anderMar-
shal between the
.2.stii July, and the lA.ot Augufit
last."7L-df 'ear! hear!)
Sir
.TnomAs VicroN, -in • rising to express his
thanks for rhe honour &me him;.was nearly over-
powered by his feelings.
The Itcpcirt of the Clannittee of Snpply was then brought
up, and ordered to be referred to. a Committee of the whole
!louse to-morrow.
The Order of the Day for considering the Local Token Act
was then moved. The Bill was read a s.. and time, in order
to be committed to-morrow. '
Mr. KcAticii moved for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal a
number of Clauses in Acts relating to the Poor in certain
Counties, and-to substitute others for them..
Mr. tierjeant Oxst.ow expressed his objections to the Bill,
as partial. and unjust in its tendency. •
NIA V MILITARY 4.RRANti.F.MI Nt.

Lord C,ts'rr.loliaGu, in rising to propose his
plan for the new arrameMents in the Army, said
.be should not dwell upon the expediency, .at the
present moment of giving every possible efficiency
.ao the disposable fOrce of the country. On that
subject there was but one sentiment in every part
of the House.; nor should he do justice to the
strength and prevalence of this' sentiment, if he
were not to state his conviction that it was the
wish of every irylividm,al in the 'louse and in the
kingdom to use every exertion for securing the
permanent honour and interests of the country,
consistently with the necessary limits of our
military and political. resources. llis ,object
would not therefore be to recommend exertion,
but to consider what direction it would he ino,it
advisable to give to that exertion, in order to
make it most effectual ; and to strike a fair balance
between the advantages and disadvantages of .the
different degrees and modes Of operation which
our circuortaaces placed within our reach. In
this view, then, he was not about to call upon the
Howie to make any great or minatoral effort ; Or
to call upon the country for any sacrifices greater
than were made by the other states of Europe : all
that he wished, was to urge them to use propor-
tionable efforts, and to submit to equal sacrifices in
support of the cammon cause, and for the purpose
of givinga happy and glorious result to that senti-
ment which now animated the great confederacy of
Europe, to check the ambition, and limit the power,
without tarnishing the honour of France. 'The as-
sistance of Great Britain might he more effectually
employed for this purpose, byludirectly aiding the
allies by our resources, than by immediate and par-
tial efforts ofourown. He relied the moreconfident-
ly on the propriety of this line of policy, because
he was satisfied that it was owing to the con.;
tinued firmness and moderation of our counsels
that Europe was in its present state. It had been
restored from the humiliation and rain which
overwhelmed it, to a proud height of honour and
independence, by the prudence; not • less than by
the magnificence of our exertions. It ' was this
Wise and long -sighted forbearance, this determin-
ation riot to push our efforts beyond our re-
sources, that had given an incleasiog impetus and
momentum to them ; whereas by, a premature and
inconsidecate waste of strength, the spring of
national spirit would have been broken down, and
our career arrested 'in its progress. Bat now,
when airthe world Was making one great effort for
its redemption, it became time spirit of this country
to !like part, a proud a part in it—not to overstrain
or exhaust itself, but not to shrink back- in the
decisive moinent, nor to suffer all the advantages
and all the 'glory which had 'been gained, to he
lost by a deficiency of cordial co-operation on time
part of Great Britain. We stood now in the si-
tuation. of having obtained all the objects Ori-
ginally proposed by the war, even beyond the most
Sanguine expectation. •The independenee of the
.Peninsula, in particular, had been placed upon a
firma and lasting basis. Li the,former campaigns,
time sticeess of time British arms under Lord Wel-
lington has been great and brilliant ; but now that
his victories were as numerous as the battles which
be fought, that he had no longer any occasion to
look back to the impregnable lines of TorreS Ve-
dras as a last resource ;, now that his great genius
had accoinPlished all that his ardent and pa-
triotic mind had proposed to itself, and had placed
the liberties and territories of the %whole Peninsula
under our protection, would it not be aim abuse 'of
confidence in the plans of that gallant leader, and
an abuse of confidence in the success which almost
uniformly attended the British arms, to turn back
so near time, end of all our labours 'and triumphs,
and not to reap, the fruits of victory. which were
put into our hands ?, lle did not mean by any thing
that he had said, to insinuate a wish that we should
expose what we gained, to unnecessary hazard, or
launch into a sphere which was betteruccnpied by
others 'but without explaining himself- more par-
ticularly, be might be allowed to say, there were
points of the utmost consequence to this country,
both iii' a commercial and political view, where a
corps of 10 or perhaps 20,000 men co-operating with
our maritime strength, might turn the tide Of suc-
Cess in oorfayoar. lle did not think there could be
any hesitation where such a force mush! make time
whole difference; whether an old and useful if fly
should be rescued from the grasp of the enemy,
or left derouled of all support. He d:d not there-
fore recommend unlimited increased exertion, but
mitigated increitscd exertion, that is; an increase
'of exertion proportioned to the. iMpurtance of the
end, and consistent with the extent of our means,
and on this principle he would rest the merits of
the plan which he was abOut to submit tothe
With respect to the supply of the army, all the
advantages had resulted from the existieg system
which had been expected fri-nn it. it was gratify-
to him to be able to state, that such had been
the means placed in the hands of Government in
recruiting the army, and so little hadl been the
waste made of human life, that both the Regular
shiny and the Militia remained at as high a point
of numerical force its ever, in spite of all the exer-
tions we had Made, and certainly no nation
ever did push its exertions abroad, in proper..
tion to its , physical strength, farther than we
had done in the last years of the nar,, it re-
flected the highest credit on the illustrious
vidiumf at the head of, the War Department, that
such was the attention paid to the health and disci-
Once of time army, that includinq the Whole or our
troops, Colonial and European, our• lass yearly
did not exceed one-7th or Bth ; that. is in 230,000
troops, the general amount of casualties, not only
dianh Arnett- 0.-

exce,l 23,00 k though the natural waste of an
army was generally one-10th or one-12th, even in
t hues oi profound r.,.-ace. Not T„,-ithstanding the san-
..,.nillary actions and assaults which had taken place
in the last year- our total loss was not, as far :IS multi
be collected, ino:t that 30,000 men. The pre-
sent mode of reerui ring- the regular army, indepeud-
ently of any extraordinary exertions,wonld be suffi-
cient to maintain it in its present numbers : be
did not think the supplies- front the Militia would
continue the same, or that we could reason pro-
spectively upon this part of the subject, from tins
Iresults of past experience!. But the plan Which he
should now proceed to lay before the House went
,upon the supposition of our being possibly called
upon for extraordinary exertions, either on
the side of the Peninsula, Or in aid of the Allies,
in any critical emergency in which our assist-
ance might he necessary to bring the great cause
in which we had hitherto so nobly persevered, to
a prosperous and decisive issue.' In what situation
woulda he country now have been placed if the mi-
litia had not lent themselves to the exertions Which
Parliament from time to time called on them to
make Sinee the year 18(15, when Government firs:
called -on the House to allow the Militia to enter
into the line, they had contributed within 250 men
of 100,001) to the disposable force of the country.
If this Measure c,f rendering the Militia.auxiliary
to the regular army had nut taken place; it the
old prejudices, with respect to that description
of force, had been still kept up, and they bad
been prevented from entering the regular army,
this country would not now possess the military
character which it had acquired. We might have
kept up our colonial policy, and made those exer-
tions which were witnessed in former wars ; but
we could ,not have kept possession of Portugal, or
have sent forces to co-operate in the deliverance of
the Peninsula at large, and to take up that menac-
ing position on the frontiers of France, which our
army trove occupied. We should have been shut up
Within the hounds of our insular polies-and ‘veconld
not have set that glorious example to other na-
tions, or hurne our share in the general exertions
which have been made for the deliverance of Eu-
rope. Parliament ought always, -,.therefore, to
bear in recollection that it is to.the Militia we
owe the character we at present enjoy .in military
Europe ; and that i‘ it bout the Militia we' could
not have shewn that fi.ce which we have.done
the Peninsula. He wished it to be •understooel-,
that in what he had to-propose it was not his in-
tention to transgress or to go beyond those great
principles which ought to be held sacred with
respect to the Militia., Ile 'had never been
one of those who
.considered that there were
any, priuciples in the constitution of the Mi-
litia which rendered that force inapplicable to
the general service of the country, provided nei-
ther officers nor'men were ;broken in upon either
directly or indirectly. The Militia might. be
broken in upon directly by law, and they might be
broken' in upon indirectly in a manner not less,
unbecoming ; and!any alternative which, . though
not compulsory .on them, it might be 'painful to
their own feeiings to refuse, wet very diGrent
from the mode of treatment merited by that re-
spectable body. The 'post complete- freedom of
choice ought, therefore, in his opinion, to be pre-
Served. But lie never thought there was any thing
in the Militia which rendered them unfit fiir general
service. They hind supplied an assistance .of not
less than a hundred: thousand men to the army,
and the success of the whole contest had hinged
on' the exertions which this reinforcement en-
abled us to make. If the Militia principles
were in any respects changed, they were changed
for the better; and at no period, he would
ventore, to say, Were the Militia of this country
either more numerous, more highly disciplined, or
more capable of performing their proper functions,
that is of occupying a middle station between the
Local Militia and the standing army, than they
were at the present moment: lie wished, there-
fore, the House to understand that there was in
contemplation no attempt to encroach on the.con-
stitetion of the Militia. No .person would wish
the Militia to Jock up the service of any man who
would rather serve in another description of force.
The true military philosophy was tagive the greatest
possible facility to individual exertion, that itmiglit
find its proper level. Men were actuated by various
motives and inclinations to make choice of one de-
scription of service rather than another; airitt.it was
their business to facilitate the exertions of-indivi-
duals, ,but not to attempt to impose on any men the
necessity of adopting minty arrangements by appeal-
iug to their patriotism or their feeling. So tar from
putting it to the Militia, whether they mullet lend
themselves. to srnnlicc sphere of service, he wished
the arrangement to be considered not as an appeal,
1)14 merely as an offer of certain terms to those

who were to enter into the regular service.
Any of th officers and men might take that offer

if they chose ; but stiff there was to be no departure
from what was formerly nndctstood to be the con-
SLittlooll of the Militia. There was 'every reason,
indeed, to presume, that linless some force was laid
on. the inclinations of individnals;•U much r
ntintlYer. of men would be willing to go into the
regular army than could possibly be accepted of.
'ln point of fact, a very general disposition ex=
isted ‘vithin the 70 thousand mw e,' of which the
Militia was conipoSed, to enter the line. He way well
assured that a very large prOportion of individuals,
both men and officers, in the present interesting
circumstances of the world, would consider it a

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favour to serve actively instead of passively. Ile
wished merely to give such (hie aml reasonable
.degree of encouragement to this wish, as was
not Wet/Mktent with sound military principles-
lfe would state, as the principle on which theY
proposed to act, that whatever number of men it
might be the policy of the Lel:•islattire to "give to
.the disposal of tiw Executive Government, they
might not he precluded front acting ou that feel-
ing, which he considered to be so prevalent at
present in the Militia, and that if there should be
a particular number of men disposed to accept of
the measure, theysWould he permitted to enter into
the extended, service. tie was quite aware .that
there waq no regiMent which had not a limited
number of men, which from various considera-
tions, were not suited, for foreig-it • service.---His
view-was riot, therefore, to send the Militia on fo--
reign service, but merely to allow; them to give
such a number of men to the army as would enab:e

was his wis'a that no Militia regiment shoJ!ll.e
lett without silt:4l a prop9rtion of a:en would rit
found necessary for carrying on the ::ysteal of 11
crafting, and form, it's it were, the thisii 'of b.
regiment. His intention -.vas to propwe
Bill which lie meant to bring in, that in the taw.;
bee of then who might volunteer into the artily, u:
more than three-fourths of any regiment shm:el
.be taken, and that ce.e-fourth part', 3t
every reginteLt shoold. be pre :erred. 11"4,::
it advisable not to check the ttisosition ;$11h.4
prevailed in the MlLtia •of entering absoltail
into. the Line, hetinuse in no wise coUld
be So usefully employed as' in 'the Line,
a more extended species of service. lie I,4as 0114
ed, therefore, not to impede that mode of stir
but by a small addtiOnal bounty to uneoupge
and if a certain number cf men would ho, t"
low the officers to go with then'. lie vas 101 l
state, that in the judgment Of his Royal 11'64
the Commander in Chief,
_no injury vira
would accrue to the army by allowingJOl
of the Militia, up to the rank of C.
into the Line and to half-p,reCeive half-p,
approved also of giving
ther advantage, that after a certai
vice they 'should be considered as
permanent rank in the army, co
the rank which, they held in the .j.V.
first instance, they were to receive
after some time permanent rank i
The' nun ber of individual:; admitt
vantages Would be in proportion
of then who %vent with them into
hundred men to admit one Captain
nmt, and one Ensign, who at first
titled to half-pay, and utter Cave
campaign, to till every situation of t,
had thus been 'endeavouring to sta
tagcs of a transfer of scoice into
there was. no ground to presume
th
men disposed to transfer their sery
found so numerous to afford anv tl
the exigencies of the present mom
lie
ettcolil:l, :Igai
therefore,
gthede losailteotler acptli:%nel ti
Militia, a hich was more congenial
ciple.of that body, and which wOuld It
numbFrof both officers and Joel' desist
lug their services. He proposed tha.
also be permitted to volunteer to set-
men.. The officers would be consul
belonging to the .Militia of their
:they would return home with this all
having gime abroad at a critical pet ic
-he-est•titletli on being disembodied,- .to
a the aentY. He thought there woa
disposition among the Militia to g 9
vice • they
• 'mild `,-,t) as 31ilitia-tuea,
e, of.
wonbicolitinue'to have all the advanti4+
t'au't n. A flaws
"'ad be eaabled to serve kis ige,
drn
, t 131'14
try abroad withoit "lea vii.; n his i‘..ift;ll
it'. England, indeed, :dl
in Ireland andSeotlandihere
euti I iii e'xi4encv, to relief from tue,r pa •t . !oft,
It iv'ts, therefo • •
'Cy propo,
thtittll6
shmdd
were merely a divosable . • r'e
to possess all the -advantages of i)11,1164'
th,tt. the Officers, as all'el"!' statco,.
also the *advantage of half-p.ly• ‘,,,,,..'orteiut:.'!
_the.manner which they ought
and ',rendered, useful, the. 114'
Ll• ilk ,
plied could .not be %vell dQWIII.I, to
WaS parii.h..
what disposition existed in the Mill° a 13.1;
their tervices, and what oifer3 thod°
As it was not, however, meant to alio' titr!
of nnTregiment to' extend their servic.e;to
portions accepted wotild be formol orvico;
sional battalions of tlilitirt for for'lbia,,itd t
the.iphere of their service would beop,
• E}
trope,
Militia Officers.rope, and the command of the bet'
in
service who were iltil„u `rihrc:r
e abroad
r ;1;in: r .illtcg"t
itan
regiments. He was perfectly well
disadVantage of separating one pallt'F ad,io
from another, and of doing airy thingilr Cur d'
tendenUy to eNtinguish the
eei%‘'.earsnull diseased tolfthiltktrot.y
vkional battalions to be found,
.on riortt.
son, to he less effective than either rt 14,0
lOrd Wellington gave it as his °pill"' hi; rage
of the most effective battalions tankt rcv,l
viand, were. formed of three or four l'ecli`„
10 41
gtments, and bornetinies it greater jastC"l
Were. thrown together into one batti.llloll, ;to 0;1,
of sending them home to 'be tecraitol d:4!
proper estahlismetfts. There %vere not "I') Or.)
tire battalions in the whole ariny
which Avere. so Itirmed. It ought to be 4
discretion of the Commanding df/i"er'
the Field Officers should be taken
litia or the Line; but- in all cases the
Colonel ought to be taken from the Mi.ll''iot
the character of Militia regiments tail-,!.“
lost. had occasion to knOw that
th,ni!r
provisional battalions, Pr Ai
d~sel'Lhtiirri Cot .t.
Ile had been. stating, %vete' Inund
to no trorips-in all the onalities flu..
'tiers- are valued. ll
the
portant at_ one time, iii point of privilef-:_t?e,,d,,.
frightened our ancestors,
II w tip in thi-
now to be lost and swell it, t
for exertion intpoed ott as by the PR.
vw to aol
The great principle ,which tiff o‘),. di,
~,04
and %chic!) :10-'OO4
rr~ ire
in nathd was, that we were or
lenee of our own liberty, and the 1"".olote
rope. Fragments Of
Of regiments might he.brotight,oife"o 10,01 e, :iv
with as great "061'0.
gitnents.. !lobed tirey ivot4d tbey 11,1 v
• rt wilt( „id
in inntertakina the arent cal) 0, co. ich
' lea that t .
contemplation, under the it
.:issireati for
rzgion...‘nts an, 0;1
Possibly get over all the cols"'
Irt'n't_r
it would give rise to.:
,The
an Englishman to adopt was,_lti jo
otofht to be-allowel to ex'ert owo
-Ode t"' l',' 5
way which was moit agiLeL.
0040 :croon
nations, flaving stated flee
the (win,
he -would next proceed to s'`;olto to u' of
r iii
which he had of t:ic
from it, and froth the odin,l;y;
country. 1. he .or-liii3rl' re',":iillii„l.l:4ole"'..'„,.'r:iil
fact, be affected so mach 'rl7.
were going on at the sitmeiti,'( be ;oi r(.l tor
lug' merely from theory
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rffii, the home to Enrop'entt service shonla be 10
linens ; and that for entering into the line 12
riaelt4-shunhi la given, for a service limited in
cnt of year, ; and 16 r;iiineas far a service for
(it ;11uis allowing ti.vo guineaslur each part of
shle. Wnh respect to the extent which it
ight b prldent to give the ExecntireGovernment
le Power Of receiving offers from the militia, lie
Is not disposed to push the measure beyond what
iight be considered a healthful exertion for the
41)ntrY. He was aware that there woe various
iliportant duties for the militia to perform at home,
the services of the interior. Thd amount of
tte which he was (kpo•.ed to take, would not, he
24';eived,opera te :IF an unreasonable pressitre on the
°!,n117. He should propose, to take the quota
.. k.'"eh by tte existing laws regulating the en-
, '
taace
frmn the Militia into the Line, was placed
iLYolifl all hazard, and also a number equal to
'l,'" Plata for the succeeding year ; and be had
17th". to propose, that the arrears of the noii»-
tts Awed to volunteer in former years might
xr, be made good. The annual quota from the
"ithrta the Line, amounted to 10,000 ; the
quota would therefore he 20,000, and the
,s.,`„ara of former years might be stated at 6000,
''""Pg; hi the whole, 26;000 ; and that was the
de extent 6f the.numbers which it was now
H
.°Posed to take. The House would see what
the nature of the supply which this measure,
ltelleceeded to the expectations formed of it,
nonlrl require. Supposing the measure to pro-
;(26 or "7,000 men, and that the ordinary re-
itiog did not fall ott-from the usual number of
'OO men, exclusive of .the recruits for the fo-
' teg' ments. He had already stated the average
AU()four army for the lastfour years to havebeeu
AU men, and that the waste of this year might be
Inined to amount to 30,000. He should in this
'ler be taking prudent and proper precautions
the proper supply of our army. Stich a supply
' indispensable, in order that the)great acctisi-
-4 Which we had been enabled to make might
be committed to hazard, and that the Exceu.
the country might have the power of strik-
"Le important blow in an interesting quay-
io7nta occasioos should admit of it. At no
the history of this country had there
been so great it proportion of our regular
eniployed abroad as there now was ; and
Portion of our army which was' stationed at
was reduced to narrower limits than ever.—
ithstiouling the present happy temper of the
•ry, which 'i'ts in the enjoyment of the bless-
of plenty, of the satisfaction derived from its
ions, and the prosperity which flowed front
Ithistry, a temper of public mind congenial to
t..e !slime!), still it would be unsuitable in the
tillreeinive Government, however slight grounds
• any ,iinit.ht he for apprehensions of danger, to run
eets4rtilts by stripping the country Of the troops ne-
tqu.ii Yr"r the preservation ofthe public tranquility.
t.l,Nlithe time for which the plan of enlisting for
tare"adopted, 32,000 men bad been
Viat hotly, or about 10,000 men an-
at a Itbto this syraeat having been so suceess-
Veit „ 0,0(1„4 arilinary rate of exertion, he trusted
,
(looeht,, tam) might. be raised to cover the
vtl3l-0, 'lllO the line,, without resorting to the
At 01 "'as proceedings connected with a ballot.
erents„ he was satisfied that there would he
reit, eeel/4sity for any ballot, except a period so
tt,r)te ntl to 111100, n proceeding of this nature,
trlllholt any extraordiamy pressure on the coun-
Iji for example, not until the expiration of the
b
Which he should propose; which would be at
,e end of a year' from next Christmas.---He trust-
athowever, that by the increased exertion of the
loe and Gentry of the different counties,
by the Might be supplied by men raised
tYpheat of drum, without resorting at all to the
I:l',.int• He conceived that lie had sufficiently'ex-
td"ed the grounds On Which the Bill was fotind-
it, pa" the motives in the Übstrart which led to
ii,'"Peeting which there could be bet one feel-
thellouse • he should therefore close, by
•r~i ,
qiie, stu be distinctly understoad as to
. the point
11„It
thespeech; Government,did not wish to appeal to the
4.11, SPirit, or individual feelings of any of the
Ivhirilen, but Merely to withdraw obstacles
the blilrevented them at present from following
their
n tilt of their own,natural inclination to serve
e‘aintry ; and that the Executive was desk-
trN bolding out ;tll fair enconragement to any
tl,Hkfilesirmis of so doing. His .Lordship con-
"11' bY Moving'
O4t leltVe ht. •Ivon to bring in Bill to enable Ma.
14'1,:::,.1"!Pt of 'tlie servirci of a portion of the MiliLa, fot'
"Kotous prosecution of the war."
dVe, was immediately -given without, a dissen7
4t(mce : and Lord CASTLEnEAC4I,..Lord PAL.
Lor?Ni and others, were directed to frame it.
CI§TLEREAGIT said, he hoped to be ready
tb thel3lll to.anor o r w
,
printed, for delivery to
Ater„
that some early day next week
411, ',:te fixed for the ulterior discussion.
!it% "TutTilitEkr, said, he rase merely to (pies.;
Iftl.iii;4e Noble Lord on one or two passages ill
' which he was not sure that he clearly
r' too& One was, the distinction between
itlic,:;,v4i-guinea and twelve-guinea bounty-men ;
s to be
!keit; I'e!lier any particutur Va
has r 'tl fur their service ; and lastly, .whetlua he
14)11 ght, understanding the Noble Lord to
it wliti • • O7 000 consist-
i4, „• it !mention toraise.•
ii4,4'eth"o"'`'l?o, being double the qeota.
`tr, voionteer aumuilly from the milli is into the
.
.9VI) 1, I°l an additional 7000, the arrear of the
`illyii3",,,Yrgirs, in Which, he supposed, therefore,
"u men had been raised by the
t•olun-
z, system.
)4144... C4sTl.Hat it nott said the no.
Visa;lt bk Gentleman
last point as to the "amber pro-
; but di'e arrear of 7000 men
lc: (
whi the arm=or of the two last years, a circtim-
„ll/ if it had existed, might have argued
l(;";tr of
„e.leiky in that system-, but it was the
i;Plillea'ib).l,lch more extended period. As to the
tiletioo
wt", and the 12 or 16-guinea men, the
tit:lo4lpS that the first were 'to be consider-
14141cer cat:rying with them all the
their wk. cruel
Plivllegel of militia. mcn,• and leav-
ktue qthtic " and children, to-the,provision and
Itilleptl4! relPective parishes: those who went
4tir'ttetel'" tilv- higher bounty, were to be con-
to
isoilliers of the line, subject, of
vteitic neoefitS. of such a situation.—
period hats hero fixed as the tune

he

when --tte of icert should be entitled to half-pay ;
but it wouldcbe no lung time,--perhaps a, cam-,
paign, or six months.
, • ivir WurranEAD said, he now understood the
i\Toble Lord he agreed with him that a large
addition to. our 'disposable force was now emi-
nently necessary, and the pr)posed form and time.
thud of accomplishing that purpose seemed the
only feasible: one. This certainly was not a time
for this country to stand still; yet, in giving his
ready support to the measure, he hoped that this
increase of- means would not be directed to any
but the legitimate end of all
,war ; that it would
not be employed for any projects of ambitious
conquest on our parts, or on the part of our Al-'
lies. Though he was'welLaware how natural it
was, in the moment of success, to wish to push
our capabilities to the utmost, still he hoped to
see this additional force applied only for the noble
- purpose Of procuring a speedy and honourable
peace.--(Wear, hear !)
Lord CASTLIUtEAGII.—" I am happy to accept
the support of the llou. Gentleman on the terms
which he mentions; nor do I think it the less va-
luable on account of those terms. 1. must also
express a kope, that Parliament will, ,notwith-
standing its unanimous disposition, look at tl
'details of the present measure-with its accustomed
vigilance, and not give an entire and unhesitating
credit to the Executive Government, without any
examination of its plans."
Mr. WHITBREAD said, as there could scarcely
be any kind of oppOsition to the principle of the
Bill, it would be better.to get it as soon as pos-
sible into the Committee, for the purpose of filling
up blanks, and investigating its details.—Ad-
journed.

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