The Sun.
London, England, 1813-02-05 00:00:00

UPON A NTOTIO ;

"'That this 'lonia will re:selve i. 'itself into Corotaitteti ...f
". the W 1 le '4iause, to take into Cooiideratiou the
" present State or Ireland."

Sir John Nicholl-,after •rt introductory ob-
. serrations, and „remarking that_ the motion,
although, in words, it fanned very general
proposition, yet appeared to..have bee m lituitecr
by tl.e nobly Lord who introdoceit it. to the
'Consideration of .whitt is usually called---"''The
Catholic Question"—proceeded nearly to 'the
following . •
In order to arrive at a correct judgment n
the subject, it is. proper_.tn dived. it of all term:,
and-names, whieb only tenul to dir.:tort it to se-
parate from general topics, with which it is
.very remotely connected;' to mark out the trite
point for consideration, :nut 14) keep that ?aint
constantly in view ; to ascertunt where the pre-
sumption. Res,, and to which side the burden of
proof. belongs. It is nut ultogether unnece'ssnry
to gtiard .ourselves 'on these particulars ;
these discussiom, we are hi the habit of
much of excluding; the Catholics from their " na-
tural rights,"'.or them or their +.76n-
stitutional.: privileges," of Catholic`•" tonancipa-
.tioa'," 'asthey :Were in astun.: of sla‘,..v.? ;:
beitt'decLiMatioils Oil (he odiw):olFss (;if persecu-
,..tionand zlittl on :IN: VdOe
and refigtotts liherty,' as if there were many'con-
, flicting opinionsapon thou sub:o:ets. In the pre-
,sent ,enliglitetted state of socict htirdly tit
educated and 'lwo:Mgt:Lit iyho ,!,,ts not hold
lil tlii.Le!ekttiOn a tttl aHloi.ri:tl,!u, any apivoach to-
.war(N perzecto kin aTt(Lint,ttraa;e•:,-;---wilo -does
nut liotd, iii th'e
ekvilanct retli=,iOns lOa,r( v. Surelylt is hot
COSSNy t1i6311 et,ise to lit a
in oper not to''te a bi.:.3.'ot .3 or should i;!v l'c--
ligtouspreferenee, atnidrocome
to all re'rtgioa, in order main: be
those who, ti'OILI at regard 'to toler:v t
to liberty, nre int7:ions to preserve;
Churcir and Stitte, lit, tit prt:i(:ut, 1);
law established, are yet to be chlrged %vial tit-
temptiug to raise a cry of. t' Ni) Pow. ry," „and of
" the Ch'urch being ill danger," when, in reality,'
an attempt is made artfully to raise 'a cry agaiwt
them oF bigotry, 'per,,,locution, Rod intolerance,
the artifice ought tube pointed out and guarded
against, On .the one !valid, poron can seriously
believe that those reveetable Members of the Le-
gislitture, Who think Wat further concessions

ought to be gr,anted .to the Catholic's, have it in
view to pull down the Church of l'olgland awl to
introduce Popery; on the other hand, this ad-
missiob'may he eWtned from their condom',
that those wito.olloli the coneessions ought not to
granted, n'o clispO.itiOn to persecu-
tion and int.,Aisitainee, -The tette ground, upon
which We /f; ikly to meet, i this :
these cancessiolis 1)0-41ade with safety to tit:'
Constitution ? if they :eon, re.alon anti itt-,tine
appear to Kt:quire:4.lll,a djey be grintt.
,it they clitit!,;t.,ro:;oo and justiee,---jte:a;4.,e to.
the .tif nation, to the Prot,e,t.lot-H (11,t‘
Irelon-ri .
p:irti,..lll.tr, anti even to the C.,0h.0
lics they should t.ie
withheld; • . ' '

l'erimp the xery term, " Coneesdon?,— \rid
be Oiected ;,). The Cithrd..c.,, it
at.ltot come. to bit to ,1,.1111.1,.:i.
their 11,61'11,c-1,1.4
'Jo tlii country it t r.lther rote to eikor
iIiSCIN:;i6O o 1 tilt; 'e 1.)C..),s of :Atm," ra
con.tittitvti ii:,ituri,rl rights ninst
.rity be. abridged for the prow tg jot' ;1110 St,2t.tirit y'
sort it 0:1'4e( th V.; efltill,i;y 'tins
airtsady defined %ilvit.ptirtion those rights mnst
be takennv,..ay must,. t het as large a
portion ot 'om nattn-al. left tr tys,:
as is -the
...ort'c}r awl
let it be Ihirfy ;Ind
openly ii.vn.ived, that krii coil.sitittitiott itself
.
pm propose to nittr,: ,
liiiteari tit tie;tYvt-ing the real prop,ition,
other ttirins are lit t heir ". enn
tional all the rwmitii-
tion,*l that tin! Cat:1,1111...s The lailaey
preteutilop
priviiegeb to tit. fo,,ftlll it the
).-11 the I,4ll‘vs give,tliot
it ii ito_no;:esslary to itpidyttt ParliaT)itq.it
rettdy intve them. It the LFtvv:i
these privileges; then, lgain, it i yole (;orktiti.t.
tioll yotl propole
'bustcver,. 1C53 liCrPieri, ;IN; Ittfin'
resorted Thc principle and .z,.ftrit" ()1
Comtitutt,..,n, these wbultrcx'tePti

posterity), that Popery, on the one hand, WA Pu-
ritaniim, on themether, Were not very congenial
with civil and religious liberty. 'The Clanrch of
England; standing- between the two extremes, had
been found favomable to both ; and its altar was
considered as the soundest basis on which to set
,up 04 palladium of our national freedom.
Seeing, then, that the Constitution itself; par 7
as settled, in this respect, at the Revolu-
tion, aad, as it exists' (with some sUbsequent im-
provements) at.this day, has, hitherto, thongbt
it necessary to exeltule the Catholics front a cer-
tain portion of the Government of the Country ;
-sating, also, that the same exclusion existed in
Ireland„ while s separate Kingdom and having
a distinct, 4,44latnre, arid that it
.was not only
continued upon the Union between' the two
Eingdoms, (whatever might be theexpectations
tormed by the Cathol:cs of auy subsequent change)
but that the preservatinn of the roistablished
Church oUngland and Ireland has been express-
ly declared 10 he " an essential'and fundamental
part of the 'Elinor! ;"-,-where lies the presump-
tion knot meaut to bp asserted that the Le-
' gisiature may nor inalte alterations and improve-
meats in the Constitution (so far, at leaSti es IS
CoMiaterit 'with good faith to the Protestants of
Ireland, 'who are parties very importantly inte-
rested in this question, both in the preservation
of their Church and of their property) but all
that is at present attempted to be established, is
the true .grouud upon which the consideration of
:the question commences, and frotri which it sets
out. Surely it must he admitted that the, presumn-
thin ie infitour of the existing Constitoiono and
LW! battler) of proof lies upon the Catholic ; he
and his advocates must make out their reasons for
altering the Constitution."--ilere is no new prin-
ciOe of exclusion to he set up,—no established
privileges to be token aiviiy. The Catholic hits
no tight to call upon. his opponents to argue this
as a question of exclusion and restriction, against
which the presumption lies.; that question has
already• 'been decided by the Constitution ; he
Mast CSlMisa Ids case. for altering the Constitu-
tion ;---7anil, must chew that, what hitherto, could
not:be done with safety and propriety, may now
iie effec!,ed' with advantage and with security.
Not 0n1,4 does tint proof he upon the Catho-
jos, but its clearness must he proportioned to
the. magnitude of whet, is asked, and the risk in
panting it. At present, no specific proposition
assbrought forwa.rd ; yet, oar the other hand, nn
former demands,are given up, nor are any court
ter concessions offered. Referring, therefore, to
. former claims, they ask, and they propose to ac-
cept no less than " full, complete, unqualified
participation of political power.'
Now, if, upon examination, this shall
.appear
trot to be giving up a little on the,pArt of the
Protestant Government older to confer a greet
beae6t on the whole Catholic Body ; hut that,
while it 'is conferring comparatively'a small. belie-
ht upon Catholics in general, it inav be risking
every thing to the, Protestant i;itii.hlisltmcnts,
particularly to those of Ireland.--L-In that case,
the safety of the tnekiVire should be made out,to
lase clear and nrotilesi its.safety should beprnved,
not by specious reasonings and theoretical refine-
ments, tor sgainit those are to be placed past
experience, and the
.uniform decisions of our an.
uestors, 'the chance of artial benefit will not
justify the risk of universal calamity. tinder the,
ConStitkal9n, aa it exists, the nation lias enjoyed
the greateit blessings ; liberty, toleration, wealth,
tranquility, external greatness, and domestic
happiness. Before we risit, these enjoymentli
by an important alteration in the Constitution,—
' by adtnitting, into a full partieipation of the
rovers. of the -Stec, a description of persons
whom the Constittition (no-matter for what cause,
religions
or other) has, hitherto, judged it netts-,
Wiryto votolude, it -ought to be made cleat,
,almost
-to moral demonstration, that the change on be
4ift,Yly made:,
Let, 'then, the trite question for eonsideiatlian
be constantly" I in sight, It ' tint whether
tin. Catholics are loyal ; the great body of them
ate loyally ant ictred to the Constitution and to the
tuipire, and would be more universally so, were
they not led astray by wicked and !designing per,
sous, Who, to tinSwer purposes of their oWn, en-
ticavour to excite the catholicl to turhideneti.,...

" When I sp'ealt of the necessity of combining
with the accomplishtnent of your wishes, prOvi-
sions of just security to others, am no less del
birous ot consultingivery misotiable apprehension
on your part. TO the forms. indeed ofthnse st
euritits I attach comparittivitly litt,teimportance.”:
The neecisity, then, of seturititts, in some torso
or other, against foreign- iniinence—of complicat-
ed arrangements lOr doineStic tranquility.-.-of pro-
'visions for the inviolable. maintenance ot the civil
and relit:oolns it.stablisnments of the United King--
dr~ttt is bere distinctly stated, not by a ''.higotted
ChaMpion of. Inteleranti,!' but Loy the gNeut
Leader of Catholic Advneates seine ed..
mission has been repeatedly 'mode, by other emi-
nent supporters .of die Catholic Cause.
Whether any such harriers anti arrangement's
eon be deyised as shall afforti sufficient security,
cannot at present be examined ; because none, are
now proposed—nor hitherto have any that appear
trittsfactory been any where stated. The Nega:,
tine to .be Nested in the Crown on the appoint-
ment of Bishops, have since been rejectedr and dis-
avowed by the Catholics, nOtwithstanding the
aettuiescence of their Church in
,sitnilar arrange
ments underother Governments., and the express
Consent formerly given by the most considerable ot
their OWU § The demand now ,seems
• Lotto, pugs 20. .
t Lptter, pw
Lftter, p. 1.. § I.ptttr. ji. 14,

At motosT.Housr, Dutriel, CArman , ilr
the employ of Mr. Bailey, of (iriib-street, was
charged with careless driving', by which a shock,.
ing accident took place on t.iaturday evening,-7
Dennisey, of Upper ,Thanues-street, 'waf;
crossing Chcapside, when the prisoner was riding
iii a cart, mid driving' with great rapidity, by
which she was-thrown down, and one of tile
wheels going over:her, she had a thigh broken,
and was otherwise so.much injured, that. little
beim ,remains of her:reeovering. Mr. I):tvis stated,
that-he saw the prisoner. (hiving beiweea it trot-
and, a gallop, when the lady was thrown. lie
called to :;him to stop, which he did, and seemed
to he srury for what had 'happened. The prisoner
stated;izi his defence, that then! were:two horses
in the cart, and it was impossible to stop them,
so as, to,' have saved; her, even had he perceived
any, one in the way, which. he did not. He was
very sorry for what fled taken place, and called his
employer, who gave him a good character for sox.-
diness and sobriety.
Alderman .BRlDoits observed, that if be had
been driving on foot,: instead of riding". (which
of itself an (Ai:once) , the accident might hoe been
avoided. He Waft

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7 SCRIPPS, South Moltnn-strect, Grosrcnor.itlintre.
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