The Sun.
London, England, 1831-08-04 00:00:00

' to their physical force it was to be obserwad, that that
would neither be augmented nor diminished by giving them
representatives—(hear, hear)—and, in his opinion, so far
from incre,sing the danger, he believed their having re•
presentatives would diminish it ; because it would be af-
fording a legal outlet for the ebullition of their feelings.
With respect to their means of speedy intelligence, he ad-
mitted it ; but, if he understood the Bill aright, that %vas
one of its objects ; for, Ministers having perceived that
the wealth and power of the country were about to de-
mand their rights, this measure was proposed, in order
that those rights might be legally bestowed upon them.
He must, therefore, cool ss, that when he had listened to
the arguments of the Right Hen. Baronet, it appeared to
him as if he (Sir R. Peel) had been saying, because Lon-
don is the greatest city in the world—because it is the
mart of all wealth—because it is the centre of all know_
ledge—because it is the hive of industry—for these rea-
sons he would exclude it from the right of having repre-
sentatives. For his own part, he believed that the time
was now come when they might attach to the Constitu-
'ion - the whole of the middle classes of England, who,
though they loathed corruption, and writhed under op-
pression, felt as much interest in upholding the Constitu-
tion as the highest Nobleman in the country. But if
they were to withhold this privilege from the metropoli•-
tan districts, while they gave it to other parts of the
country, he must confess that he should think that the
Bill, instead of ending the dispute, would only be the be-
ginning of it; and he would never consent to do that
which, in his opinion, would lea,/ to tile immediate en-
gendering of
Mr. PRAED objected to the term
.‘‘ nominee;" as made
use of by the Hon. Member for Westminster. He dtni.ol
that Loudon was divided into four districts, distinct in
their interests, and different in their manners and habits;
and lie affirmed, even if the metropolis was unrepresented,
the influence which it exerts on the minds of Members is
so great that it would be sure to have great weight in that
House, and its interests would certainly be attended to.—
He was ready to admit Manchester, Leeds, and Birming-
ham, hut not to admit Finsbury, Lambeth, and the Tower
Hamlets, to have representatives.—(Hear, bear.) The
Hen. Member• concluded by declaring that be could not
support what appeared to him the imitation of a bad
model, saying " I cannot bear a freed metropolis."
Lord JOHN RUSSELL explained that he saw no
reason why the Act which disfranchised Greenwich should
not be repealed. The Noble Lord also stated that the dis-
tricts he proposed to give Members to deservt tl it from
their wealth and population.

Mr. HUNT said there would be no difficulty in Mini-
sters getting seats in that House. There were forty
boroughs in schedule B with not less than 300 electors,
and not many more. A majority of them might generally
be obtained by four or five thousand pounds, and thus a
seat might be always got by the Ministers.--:(Question.)
The meeting at Copenhagen-house, which took place this
lay, did not exceed 3,000, and the only resolution they
came to was to petition the House for a rh peal of the Corn
Laws.—(Question.)

Mr. CROKER wished to state only one fact as a sup-
plement to the speeches of the Member for W, stminster
and the Member fir Caine. The Hon. Member had men-
tioned the suburbs of the North, the South, the East, and
the West, but he had totally omitted thesubut Us of Green-
wich, on which the whole question turned. The Hon.
Member gave a magnificent description of Westminster ;
but the subject of the vote was to raise the suburb of
Greenwich to the same height in the constitutional scale
as the magnificent, unparalleled city of Westminster,
This, he had no doubt, was the point the Hon. Member
for Westminster had forgotten. Greenwich was one of
the last places which deserved two representatives, and it
was to have the same weight in the Constitution as the
city of Westminster. If they were to proceed upon the
principle of population and wealth, the metropolis ought
to have one-tenth of the whole population, or, at least.
fifty Members, and the plan proposed must, therefore, be
unsatisfactory and imperfect. To give as many Members
to Greenwich as to Westminster seemed to him prepos-
terous, and he should vote against it._(" Question !")
The House then divided—
For the amendment
Against it
Majority for Ministers

The question was then put on the original motion, and
agreed to. Greenwich, Deptford, &c., therefore, were
placed in schedule C.
Sheffield, including the township of Sheffield, Eccle-
sall, lirightaide, Nether Hallam, Upper ifillam, and At-
tercliffe, was then ordered to stand part of the schedule.
Sunderland, including the parishes of Sunderland,
Hishopwearmouth and Monkwearmouth, and Durham,
was also ordered to stand part of tne schedule.
On the question that Devonport, including the town of
Devonport, the parish of Stokss-Damerell, autL. township
of Stonehouse, stand part of the schedule,
Mr. CROKER complained that the principle applied
by the Noble Lord in the case of Devonport was different
from that which he had adopted with respect to Ports-
mouth and Portsea. In the case of Devonport the Noble
Lord gave two Members to it, and left two for Ply-
mouth, which was immediately connected with it ; while
in the case of Portsea and Portsmouth he gave but two
Members to both, although their population, if . they took
in Gosport and the parish of Alverstoke, where the Vic-
tualling Departments were situated, far exceeded that of
Plymouth and Devonport. lie recommended the Noble
Lord, therefore, to adopt the same course with regard to
the one as the other, and either to give Devonport and
Plymouth but two Members, or to leave Portsmouth its
two, and give two to Gosport, Portsea, and Alverstoke.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that in population the
two districts mentioned by the Right Hon. Gentleman
might resemble each other; but otherwise, and in locality,
they were widely different. Devonport was a wn sepa
rated from Plymouth by Act of Parliament, while Portsea
and Portsmouth were so closely connected as to be nearly
one and the same.

After a few words from Lord Althorp, Sir James Mac-
donald, Mr. Croker, and Mr. Gouihnrn, Devonport and
the township was ordered to stand p at of the schedule.
Lord ALTHORP, as they had reached the hour of
one, moved that the Committee report progress ; and the
Chairman having done so, obtained leave to sit again to-
morrow (this day).
The other Orders of the Dry were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at Half-past One.

THE GA R RICK PA PE n s.—We are requested
to state that these interesting memorials, comprising an
immense collection of letters of the most eminent persons,
male and fetnale, of GARRICK'S time, and now first
printed from the originals, lately in the possession of Mrs.
GARRICK, will be published by Messrs. CoutunN and
BENTLEY on Saturday next.

There are now published in the United States
864 Newspapers, of which 158 are in the interest of the
Republican and 157 in the Federalist party ; the others are
neuter. Eight are printed in German, five in French, two
in Spanish, and tine others in English. Nine of these
Journals were established prior to the American Revolu-
tion. Their aggregate annual sale is estimated at about
25,200,000.

ALFRED the Great was one of the richest
Princes of the age, but he bequeathed by his will only
500/. to each of his sons, and 1001. to each of his three
daughters. As the Sizon pound weight of silver, the
money here spoken of, was 5,400 grains, it may be va-
lued at 21. Mt. of our present money ; thus making the
legacies to the sons 14001., and those to the daughters 280/4

The accounts of the state of the crops from
almost every part of the south of Ireland are of the most
cheering description. The wheat appears in fine con.
dition, and some fields on the rich grounds in the neigh-
bourhood of this city are expected to fall under the sic4le
towards the end of the next we, k. Several fields of oats
and here have been already cut down, and the produce has
fully realised the expectations of the farmers. Should the
present favourable weatllfir continue for some time longer,
great progress will have been made in the hariest.
tatoes of every desciiption are a most abundant cr0p.....,
Cork Paper.

We know 110 spectacle so ridiculous as the
British public in one
.of its periodical fits of morality. In
general, elopem &
ents, voices, and family quarrels pass with
little notice. We read the spandal, talk about it for a day'
and forget it. But once in six or seFen Ygara onr virtue
becomes outrageous. We cannot suffer the laws of reli-
gion and decency to be violated. We must make a stand
against vice. We must teach libertines that the English
people appreciate the importance of domestic ties. Ac-
cordingly, some unfortunate man, in no respect more de-
praved than hundreds whose offoices Kaye been treated
with knity, is singled out as an expiatory sacrifice. If 10.,
has children they are to be taken from him. If he has
profession he is to be driven from it. Be is cut by the
higher orders, and hissed by the lower. He is, in truth,
a sort of whipping-boy, by whose vicarious
agonies, all
the other transgressors of the same class are, it is supposed,
sufficiently chastised. We r. flect very complacently on
our own severity, and compare with great pride the high
standard of morals established in England, with the Yard.
sian laxity. At length our anger is satiated. Our victim
Is ruined and heart-broken. And our virtue goes quietly
to sleep for eeven years more,—Editibitrylo Review.