The Sun.
London, England, 1814-12-02 00:00:00

DIED.

Yesteidaimorning, Lady Burgess, sister to the Earl of Bal-
darris.

the :9th nit. Thomas Payne, Esq. of Edstaston-House,
near .Wetn,JsltropOlire, and late of Brook-street, Grosvenor-
square' Liondon, aged 70.
On tllirBth day of August last, at Simon's Town, Cape of
Good Wipe, Rear-Admiral George Dundas, the Commissioner
of the Navy at that station.
Lately, in the parish of Llanbadarn:fawr, Cardiganshire,
John Davies, aged 108. He walked erect, and even thrashed
wheat within twu months of his death.

Mr. CLIFTON, from the Board of Admiralty-, presented at►
Account of the number of American seamen capturi.d since
the commencement of the self-, and detained in prison. And
also an Account of the nunmer of slops taken from and by
the United States of America, as far as the same could be
made up ; which were ordered to be printed fur tb: use of
their Lordships.
TRIAL BY WRY IN SCOTLAND.

The LORD CtIANCELLOR presented a Bill, the object of
which, he observed, was the introduction of Trial by Jury in.
Civil Causes in Scotland. The proposed measure had under-
gone much and attentive discussion on the part of those Wbo
were most interested in the question, whether such a regula-
tion would or would not be beneficial. With respect to the
getter:it principle of the measure, he entertained no doubt
Celt the mode of Trial by Jury, in certain cases, and with
respect to matters of fact, would be productive of great
utility to the judgments of that country. Whether all
the enactments proposed by the Bill, of which he was
alinut to move the first reading, should forra part of
the law of that country, was a queStion, upon which
he had no difficulty in stating, he entertained consider-
able doubts. Upon its general principle, he repeated,
he had no doubts. In tins view of the case, he should move
the first reading of the Bill, for the purpose of its being put
into that state that all their Lordships inay form an opinion,
not only of its principle, but of its detailed enactments.—
His Lordship then moved the first reading of the Bill, which
was intituted " An het for the better Administration of Jus-
tice in Scotland, by the introduction of the Trial by Jury in
Civil Causes."

The Bill was accordingly read a first time, and ordered to
be prjoted.

COURTS MARTIAL ON CAPTAIN BROWN AND
COLONEL ,QUENTIN.

The Earl of EGREMONT gave notice of ,his in-
tendon, aftecahe recess, to move for an Address
to the Prince Regent, with a view that the 'lli-
mites of the• Ntival Court Martial held on Capt.
Brown, together with the opinions of the Court
upon that subject, should be laid before the
House ; and also for those of the Court Martial
held upon Col. Quentin, anti the opinion of the
Court upon the case. He wished to be allowed
to say a few words on this occasion. his com-
ing forward in this way, was not actuated in the
least degree by any spirit of opposition to his
Majesty's Ministers. On the contrary, particu-
larly with respect to his Noble Friend opposite,
his opinion was, that none could be found more
competent. His intention was by no means to
interfere with the sentences of those Courts Mar-
ins c• tial ; but his object was to endeavour to con.
4. tbsiT L0r.1,113 of raccci of sore C Far.
liamentary interference, in order to fix aultiC
to the proceedings of these Courts: In order to
obviate misapprehvusions that might possibly arise
with respect to his intended -motion, he deemed
it hut justice to declare, that, in hiS• mind; there
was no analogy between the two'cases to which
he had adverted. So far from it, lie coneetveds
the cases to have been directly opposite, but the
consideration of 'both may tend to.the object be
had in view. He Wished to presi for an opinion
whatever at present-; but he Was strongly of opi-
nion some regulation was called for, and he should
he happy if any other Lord more- competent to
the task 'than himuself, would come forward and
take a task out of his hands, which, otheriviie;
be felt it his duty'to undertake.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL observed, that at the
present moment, lie trusted his Noble Friend,
sylo he hoped would allow him the satisfaction of
calling him so, could not call for any opinion on
his part. In the present instance, it was only The
notice of a'tnotion to be •brOught helot e the House
after the recess ; and he only deemed it necessary
to say now, that with respect to one of the cases,
be was totally ignorant of it. It fell within the
province of no particular department ; and what
the nature of the case was he did not•know. He
meant the case of Captain Brown. With respect
to the other, his information %vas, as was that of
their Lordships in general, from its being a mat-
ter oof public notoriety. Farther, he could only
say, that if the desired production was meant to
ground some new regulation, it was impossible
for him to• state his opinion moil lie.kuew the na-
ture of the proposition: In the first vittav of such
a subject, he Meant to would :require a very
'strong case to.butnee the Houie agree to a mo-
tion .for' thC'prOtitictioh of documents', such. as
those referreflt.o, fbi• such objeat.. There must
he .some. very .xfpetial circumstances in a case to
cell for itich an 'interference.
P4N4p,q )11:GOCIATIsatO,
The Order for:surnmouittg their Lordships be-
ing read,
The Earl' of DONOUGHMORE said, that as the
House W SiltilMOlle'd on his special motion, it
was necessaryfor him to say 4 few words why lie
was induced to put off the-discussion- he had that
night intended to bring forward. He felt the less
regret int this ,score, as the-opinion lie intended
to urge the Muse to de-clare on some of the most
important topics that
,could he conceived, would
not come with that degree of weight •or dignity
that he could wish, if discussed in such atten-
dance as he had reason that night to expect. He'
shOuld, therefore, in the present instance, only
state a general outline of what he had intended to
say in the way of argument, and also of the pro-
position he did intend: to submit to their Lord-
ships. He meant at present neither to call for
any opinion nor to press any motion on the sub-
ject, but merely to trouble their Lordships with
what he felt necessary for his own juitification on

the occasion. After the most attentive considers.
Coil be could give to the various topics to which
he meant to hare referred, he felt it his duty to
have come forward,
and that night to have Sub-
mitred, on the part of the House, to his Royal.
Highness the Prince Regent, how gratifying it
would have been to the feelings of the House to
have received an authoritative declaration, that
the power and the resources of this great country
of ambition
would not be wasted on any project •
of aggrandisement whatsoever, militatingagainst
the t,rritorial integrity or the independence of
other nations. That in the opinion of the British
Parliament, the subsidies granted by this country,
should not be directed, as to enable any one
Power to adopt hostile measures against those:
possessions of other Powers which we bad gua-
ranteed That the integrity and independence Of
Puhind would prove the most effectual bulwark
againit the -future- encroachments of France,
and that the accession-of 'territory to the King-
dom of Hanover was such an accession of terri-
tory, as would not render that feeble State suffi-
ciently strong to resist aggression.: hut to ren-
der it the means of engaging this country as prin-
cipal in' all future wars upon the Continent of
Europe. And his proposition should have con-
cluded with eat neatly solicing his Royal Highness,
that he would he pleased to call to the recollec-
tion of his Ministers, what the declarations of
the Allied Powers were when they crossed the
French Frontiers, and subsequently when they
had arrived-at the gates of the city of Paris; and
final, that this great and generous Nation, after
a long and arduous contest, in which she was the
powerful means of rescuing the Nations of Eu-
rope from thraldom and subjugation, .should,not
be suffered to be plunged into a state of deeper
difficulties and embarrassment by contributing•to
the execution- of any projects 'of Continental spo-
liation or aggrandizement. These were the out-
lines of what he had intended to submit for the
adoption- of their Lordships, if the attendance in
the House was sufficiently full to justify the press-
ing of topics of such great, general, and amen.
sive importance. On this ground, he trusted,
their Lordships would excuse his going farther in
the present instance. He should, however, feel
it his ditty to bring forward the proposition in
some shape or other, after the recess, unless some
other Noble Lord more competent than himself,
should come forward.
GENARAL STATE -OP AFFAIRS. •

The. Earl of LIVERPOOL moved, that the House
should adjourn to Thursday the 9th day of FB•
bruary.next, on the question. _ _

Lord GRENVILLE rose and expressed his sur-
prise at the conduct of the Noble Earl, in offering
such a motion to the House in the present state of
affairs and situation of the public business of the
country. He expected as introductory to the
Motion,. that some grave and important causes
would havelemstated for so unusual a proeeetl.
tug uut tut zcuuic ultrt =cum! suctmcu to mum
it with him to state the reasons why such a pro-
ceeding should. not be adopted. The eventful
course of the last twenty, years, had placed the
.country in a situation in which both its internal.
circumstances and its foreign, pressed more im-
periously on the serious and immediate attention
of Parliament, than on any former occasion what-
ever: If it were poisible to throw a veil over the
consideration of our being so deeply implicated
with respect to the pending transactions in Eu-
rope, how was it possible one could be thrown
over,our eyes, shut against the internal situation
of the country. There was no possible subject
of legislation, upon which it was not now neces-
sary the deliberation of Parliament should be ex-
ercised. Among. other essential topics it was pre-
eminently necessary they should attend, and
speedily too, to a question of legislation, which
involved -a supply for the very food of the people.
On this head, he certainly differed from some for
whom,he had the highest respect ; but he was to
speak his own sentiments. It was strongly im-
pressed upon the public mind, that it was not fit
for Parliament to turn its back upon the subject.
No one could deny the great weight. that at present
eSsed_ upon those alio were engaged in raising
that most necessary Supply. No man could say
that such an essential topic was not of more im-
portance to be considered, than the individual in-
conv4i4iences which might arise from an inime-
diate attention to it, either on the part of Minis-
ters, or Members generally, of the Legislature.
Was it fit that not a word should be said for the
Ministerial desertion of that duty they were call-
ed upon to discharge by their Sovereign ? They
were called to meet in order to deliberate upon the
public business ; and they were now about to
turn their backs on the transaction of all public
business, foe an interval of near three months.
Thkwas thine, too, not by an act of the Sove-
reign, who had a right so to do, under the respon-
sibility of his advisers, but by their own act as
a Parliament. A second point, and one of in-
calculable importance, was the present state of
the circulation and currency of the country.
This subject had long been occasionally one of
serious and important discussion. The system was
one held by many to have contributed to the
success of our etkirts ; there were some who
deemed otherwise ; but now these efforts were at
an end, and, they were called upon to do
that which would put an end to what proved a de-
leterious system; and one also of injustice. They
must do that, if they meant to provide effectually
for the food of the people, or support the cont-
merce of the country. An undepreciated medium
of circulating exchange must be provided ; so
es-
sential to give ease and security to a well regu-
lated State. They must undoubtedly return to
the former system, and not now turn their backs
upon the consideration of the means, unless they
meant to abandon the very name of honesty.---.

The. name of file country was a subject too that
called for the most serilras as well as the imme-
diate attention of the Legislature. The situation
of the Sitiking Fund 'was particularly to he at-
tended to. The exertions of last year had con-
-stoned a large prportioo of that fund ; and if the
present profuse ex pendit ore thouid he persisted in
:they would soon be reduced to the means of in-
creased taxation t') enable them to carry On the
projects of Ministers : there was little hope. of
any diminution, in such cases, of the• enormous.
mass of taxation with wnich the country was op,.
.pressed ; and the people, after being deluded wit ir
the name and hope of peace, were thus to be
precluded' front enaoying any of the blessings of
its reality. They had the terrible idea held out
to them of maintamiug 75,000. men upon the'
Continent in time of peace,: and the Powers of
Europe were in a manner solicited to _accept our
subsidies ; not for their support against a common.
enemy, for a continuo enemy no longer existed;
but to effect the aggrandizement of other powers
in a way thnt would strike at the real balance.of
power in Europe, to do away every vestige of
liberty from the Continent. With respect to Ame-
rica, the prospect was as alarming, and the imme-
diate attention of Parliament as much called for.
'They were now unhappily making war, no longer
for any purpose, sanctioned or recognised by Par-
liament, but for purposes which no man ever ven-
tured to mention in Parliament. From the time
the Orders in Council were rescinded, he thought
himself, that the war with America was a just
one; as it then seemed to be carried on for the,
maintenance of our maritime rights. But great
was his astonishment, when be found that at the
moment when - we disclaimed every, view of ag
grandiSement, the Government were making such ,
demands of Ainerica, as could have no other effect
than to unite against this country the unanimous
voice of that whole people. These demands were
equally impolitic and unjustifiable, and hos-
tilities in some parts were carried on in such
.a way as to inflict punishment upon those who
alone seemed inclined to question the conduct
of their own Government with respect to this
country. The poJicy of endeavouring to render
the Indian territory the boundary between the
American possessions and the United States was
that which deserved censure in more than one
tGia: cf view, and the demands made by-Minis-
ters,-be cdnsidered as -of that nature, which no
man out of their circle could think
,of making,
with so little success as we hitherto bad In the
contest. On this part of the general subject, the
immediate attention of Parliament was necessary;
it should declare the demands made in_negocia-
tion were not only impolitic, but contrary to the
dignity of Great Britain, and to the true and legi-
timate objects of the war. Until the grounds of
these demands, and this altered system, were sa-
tisfactorily stated by Ministers, he should feel
„himself bound no longer to support the war,
whose objects seemed now to be changed to that
4 conquest • and aggrantbseinent. Upon these
various grounds lie felt it his duty to give a nega-
tive to the Noble Earl's motion.

The Earl of tivaPoor. said be felt it necessary
to offer a few Observations in consequence of what
had fallen from the Noble Baron. On some
points he was evidently precluded by circum-
stances from entering into any detail, but on these
1 ...qr observe. the principles and objects of the
Executive Government had'been greatly mistated
by the Noble Lord. It was a Sense of public
tufty, and not a view of individual convenience,
that suggested the proposed adjournment. The
Noble Baron objected to its being unusually long;
but if he recollected that until the two last Ses-
sions it had not been the practice for several years
for Parliament to meet, until an advanced period
of January, that objection would naturally fall to
the around. With respect to the prominent topics
touched upon by him; he agreed that all these
should be fully, and without any improper -delay,
considered by Parliament ; and it was on- that
very principle, to afford the opportunities of a
fuller attendance, and more extensive discussion
to these varions topics, it was that the present
adjournment %vas `proposed. —(Hear, hear !)
These questions would come to be considered
at a period wizen they Isere certain of fuller
Housa; which was the most effectual way of do-
ing full justice to them. All the topics 'advancet
by the Noble Baron, must necessarily be consi='
dered with reference to the external situation of
the country ; and with reference to the result of
the Negociations now pending. The proposed
adjournment was hir a period in which they would
most likely be put into a situation in which
they should know what the real state of the
country was ; that until they came to that period,
discussion would be illuSory, and, not answer its
salutary purpose.—(Llear, hear !)—lt was there-
fore on public grdunds that the argument was pro-
posed by the Prince Regent's servants. With respect
to the subject of the state of the agricultural inte-
rests, he agreed with the Noble Baron upon the
point, that whatever way it may be decided, it
was important it should be decided. In regard
to the topic of the currency, much difference of
sentiment undoubtedly prevailed, but he never
could allow the opinion that the present. syStem
with respect to the state of the country, was an
unjust one, without meeting with a decided con-.
teary opinion. It was a measure growing out of
the necessity of the case, but. under the circum-
stances, not accompanied with injustice to any
individual ; that measure; to which the Noble
Baron was equally a party, contributed to the sal-
vation of the country, though he admitted, it was
alarming in its principle when originally pro-
posed. And it was certainly proper it should
meet a serious and .deliberate discussion propor-
tioned to, the extent, magnitude and difficulty of
the subject. " The proposed adjournment was no
proof of. a wish to turn their backs upon the sub-
ject ; on the contrary, after its' expiration, they
might;from their iinprov,?(l state of information;
he More competent to enter upon the considerkt-
tioo of it, with more beneficial effect. With re-
spect to what referred to time pending Negocia-
he felt some difficulty, as the period was not
arrived when the topic could be safely entered '
into ; but he would always repel such chargei as
were That night made- against the Executive Go-
vernment. The British force was kept upon the
Continent for objects more than any other British,
and for the support of a connection of more MI-

portanee by far than any other of our foreign re-
lations. ABA :with reference to the charge matte in
tile other case, he must request a sliSpension ofjudg-
ment, until all thte circurnstatfces were betore the
Hoose, then he could shew that this Country.enter-
tained no objects either of conquest or aggtan:

distment, and he wished the question to be tried
eien-ini "the Noble BarOu'i own 'principle, namely,
what from the eircuntgances we had a right to
demand. .I.False imputations were easily made,
but these would hare weight ultimately against
truth and justice-. He regretted that obvious cir-
entnit' ances prevented him now from going farther
into-this line of vindication ; but upon every pub-
yieiv he.cotild take of the case, he felt that the
proposed Adjournment was a wise and advanta-
'genus procedure:
The Duke.of SUSSEX Said, he,,had listened with
extreme satisfaction to thcie earnest. declarations,
that at least asfar as this country was concerned,
no views of aggrandisement or conquest were:en•
tertaitied. He.tvas aware of the difficult situation
in which the Noble Lord was placed as to a variety
of questions. But tie would be allowed, to ob-
serve, that when the Noble Lord,. consistently
with his duty, could not make the desired disclo-
sures, it was at the,same time competent to those
who thought sufficiently to express their Senti-'
ments and feelings upon any. particular topic,
though it may not be attended with those effects
they could wish. There was a point to which he
particularly wished to call the attention of the
Noble Lord, namely, that when the Treaty of the
30th of May was made, it was agreed that cer-
tain Colonies in our possession should he ex,
changed ; those in America and on the Oast of
Africa in three months, and those beyond the
Cape of Good Hope -in six ; by this tittle he
thought the cessions must have taken place. But

with respect to the re-delivery of the Island of
Guadaloupe by the Kingiof Sweden to the French
Government, he had to observe, that 'the Carry-
ing on of die Slave Trade was disclaimed by the

former; it...should therefore have been stipulated
with France, that that traflic.should". not be.car-
ried on by her, as far as that Island was con-

cerned. His Royal Highness .then adverted
to certain parts of the tecent,Treaties and Ne-
gociations, and expressed his hope that the
interests .of Portugal were or_ , would be at,
tended to with respect'to. the boundaries of
French Guiana ; and that care ShOidd be taken
that the King of Sicily should not suffer for his
fidelity to us. .The fate of Poland was a subject
in which the honour of. this Country was deeply
implicated., and it was one which he had near at
heart; and. it was once boasted by the Person
who was now happily removed from power in
Europe, that France and England were the only
two Nations that did not participate in the spo=
hadn't of Poland. Some attention, he trusted,

would bi paid to the wishes and feelings of the
people of Saxony, in reference to their change of
Governments. The recollection of the valour and
patriotism of the famed Sobieski; who chased the

Turks from before Vienna, should be in the'►ninds
and hearts of the Illustrious Personages assembled
in that city, and his appearance would be a most
interesting and sublime spectacle to them ! With
respect to the period of adjournment, it may be
convenient for Ministers and other Noble Lords to-
attend at its expiration ; but he was unfortunately
in a situation which may GilliGl l,ini LI aillte to
attend at that titi►e, he therefore was constrained

0 take this opportunity of delii'ering his sen-
itneAts.

Th 6 Earl of DO,ROUGHMOnE made a variety of
observations in support of the objections of his
Noble Friend Lord G. He remarked, that the
t reat caution observed by Ministers in whatever
related to pending Negociations, shewed their
great anxiety " not to let. the cat out of the bag !"
—CA laugh.)—Their general Cabinet answer on
all questions seemed to be, that until the Nego-
ciations were finished, no topic 'should be dis-
cussed or decided upon, save the :great object of
taxation; though while it was going through that
House; even the ciindles• were not lighted, which
made the House look more like the Hall of the
Inquisition than a Chamber of Parliament ; and
now, since the great object was completed—that
of the taxation, they were willing to send Nana-.
meat about its business, as saying, " Now that
you have done our business,' we have at present no.
further occasion for you " In fine, be thought
the measure of the adjournment would be injurious,-
and that no solid argument in its favour had been
adduced by the Noble Earl.
_

The question was then put, and the House ad-
'ouracd for the Christmas Recesi, until Thursday,
:he 9th of February.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKEII. informed the House, tliat the Royal Assent
4y,C9mmission had been given- to several Bills. (See the
Lords.)

General THORNTON rose to correct a mistake which had
gone abroad, that he had recommended the placing of the
numbers of hackney-coaches inside the coach only, whereas
he meant that they should be placed inside and outside also.
The number of the fiacres at Paris were placed on the top in-
side, and were painted on white tin.
The Report of the number and condition of the convicts in
the Thames and Medway was laid on the table.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS' ACT.

Mr. Serjeant'BEST moved for an Account of the number of
persons confined for debt in the King's Bench and Fleet, in
1812 and 1813; the number of persons discharged under the
late Insolvent Act; their trades and descriptions; and also
the amount Of the debts for which they had been arrested.
He stated his object to be to point out some means of sepa=
rating the unfortunate nom the fraudulent debtor.
Mr. LOCKHART was so convinced of the importance of
the subject,' that it was his intention to submit a motion for
amending the Insolvent Act very early after the recess.
Mr. HORNER did not rise to oppose the motion of the
Learned Serjeant: but as far as he had an opportunity of ob-
serving the operation of the late Act, it had been very ef-
fective. He bad no doubt that in the end it would be found
to be o. salutary measure.
_ . .

Mr. Scrjeant BEST allowed that it might be just to punish
the careless creditor: but it would be also right to protect
those tradesmen who must either trust vr lose their business.

• Mr. P. MOORE moved for a variety of Papers connected
with sundry Proceedings at Sierra Leone, in Iso9. and at
subsequent periods, in the condemvnatio❑ • of 170 -slaves, to
the use of his Majesty's Service, &c. Ordered.
ASSIZE OF DREAD.

Mr. Alderman SMITH moved the second reading of the
London Bread Bill.

Mr. FRAN KLAND LEWIS objected to the precipitate man-
ner in which the Hon. Gentleman was pushing through the
House a measure which went to alter the Laws of Assize,
established since the reign of King John. In turbulent
times, when the price of bread' was high, the declaration of
the price being made by the-Magistrate diverted the- popular
fury from the bakers, to whom it would otherwise be directed.
The :SPEAKER here observed that the motion could not Ire
put to-day, fur alth,dugh the Bill' was a measure.of great con-
sequence, it was still a private Bill, being of local operation;

and lite all other private Bills, a notice must be g. rem be-
fore it could be moved any stage, which had not heel in the
present installer. The motion was of cours'e postponed.
Sir .1. NEWPORT moved for accounts of tt produc, of the
Duty on Malt in Ireland, the quantity of Tobacco, &c. im-
ported into that country, tke., since the Union.- Ordered.
Mr. SS•IAW moved for accounts of the Imports into, and
Exports from Canada, Nova Scotia, Ner J:iundiand, tic'from
1800 to 1813, inclusive, &e. Ordered.
The CHANCELLOR. of the -.EXCHEQUER brought -o-p
Copies of the two Letters writteu by Signor quarantotti to
the Right Iter. Poynter; Laid on the table.

Mr. PONSONBY asLed whether it was the intention of his
Majesty's Ministers to disenibody the Militia before the next
meeting of Parliament.
The CHANCELLOR oaf the EXCLIECIITER. answered, that
they would be disembodied as soon as the public service would
permit: lie could not tell whether this would be • before the
next meeting.
. .
Mr. PONSONBY.—If they are not disembodied, a motion
on the subject will be made, from this side of the House.
SPAIN-

Mr. BARING observed, that the papers respecting recent
adrances to Spain had not yet been. produced, aniLhe wished
to know whether there was any truth in the representation
that this country had undertaken to negociate a Loan for
Ferdinand ? -
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the
latter statement was without foundation, and added, that the
papers had been unexpectedly delayed, 4ut that they certainly
would be produced before the next meeting' of that House.
Mr. WHETBREAD wished to know whether the proposi-
tion forraiing a Loan had not been made ?
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER declined an-
swering this question, as a i eply to it would require him to
disclose Correspondence.
PRINCESS, UHARLOTTE OF WALES.

Mr. ithuTlN inquired whether the establishment
ordered for the Princess Charlotte of Wales was
still continued.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER answer-
ed, that when the Princess Charlotte was taken
into the family of the -Regent, her establishment
went with her.
'Mr. 13aAND wished to ktiow, as the income of
the Princess was merged the income of her
father; whether the 7000/. a year continued to be

•
issued,-
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER bad- not
said that the income was.inerged ; it formed part
of the Royal Establishment ; tote rum of 700 W.
continued to be' issued. - -
•
Mr. WHITBREAD hoped the Secretary of the Admiralty
would have no objection to answer him on aniatter connected
with-his department. He bad been informed that two fri-
gate', -named the Prompt and Psyche, had -been sent Out to
America in blocks, and that on their arrival they had been
found so unserviceable, that it was proposed to sell therm. He
wished to see the correspondence on this subject.
Mr. CROKEIt assured the Hon. Gentleman that his in-
formition was destitute even of the shadow of a foundation,
nor was be aware of a tittle of correspondence on t he subject.
Mr. WHITBREAD.—If there'be any correspondence, the
Hon. Gentleman, perhaps, will have no objection to produce
it.

Mr: CROKER said, that the Hon. Ceptleman was at li-
berty to make such a motion, if he thought his own private
information was'. better founded than the assurance of an
official person.
Mr. WHITBREAD, rejoined, that it was not fair to give
such a colouring* to the matter. It. was not usual to take the
bare word of any person in office, if there existed any otlicial
document : otherwise he should be perfectly ready taacquiesce
in the mere assuratice of the Hon. secretary.
Mr. WHITBREAD again rose and observed, that as this
might be the last oppottimity he should have for some time,
be begged ten be informed whether any inquiry had been made
into the comlnct of Sir James
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the
matter was in a course of inquiry.
Mr. BRAND Wished to know, whether the sum intended
for the Princess Charlotte of Wales was apt lied for her par-
poses, necessities, and comforts.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER answered; that
the money was issued into the hands of the Treasurer of her
Royal Highhess; •
CONDUCT OF. THE NAVAL WAII. WITH All Eit IC A.
Mr. HORNER."..It.Was not his intention' to-go,
into cite o;;s4o amt principle of the American
war ; great difference of opinion prevailed on this
point, although, for his own part, be was ready
Co acknowlelge, that he agreed with
.thos'e 'who
thought that the Amoricans., by persisting. in the
contest after the repeal of the 'Orders in-Council;
were become the aggressors. 'Neither was he dis-
posed to advert to the -extraordinary proceedings
at Ghent, though no. doubt a day would come'
when they would be solemnly discussed.- The
question of course involved many considerations,
both as to the naval and" military transactions
the naval conduct also branched into two heads--
one, the employment of our force on the ocean ;°
the other, the means, and, the direction of those
means on the Lakes of Canada ; mind also, in con-
nection %%it!, the firs( part, the kind of protec-
tion afforded to the trade of this cotintry. As to the
conduct of what he would call the maritime war,
it must have been matter of slit-prise to.the whole
nation, that with our immense naval power and.
naval character, there should, notwithstanding be
a balance of such power between this coumitry and'
America. This was the more surprising, because
it was hardly possible that our Government should
not have been aware of that peculiar force of the
Americans, which was to be met by force of a
similar description. Even if it had not originally
come to their notice, that our vessels Would not
be able to cope with vessels of so different an
equipment., yet time enough had elapsed to enable
time Admiralty to• make such changes as were
essential for success. It had 'been for-a long time
explained, that our ships were, beaten by the Ame-
ricans, ,because their ships were better equipped,
carried a heavier weight of metal, and were more
powerfully manned. The -complaint, therefore,.
was either that this had not been foreseen; 'or'
that, being since known, corresponding altera-
tions had not. been made, it ought'to be known
whether such omission arose. from the reluctance
of those establishments, sd well paid by tl4e coun-
try, to 11-mice:those alterations, witlfont which 'the
force of America conk' not be met on equal terms.
He hod -beard it said that some of our 74-gun
ships had been cot down for this purpose ; if so,
the necessary information on this s9hject shonld
be laid before the Douse, as far as Was consistent
with the public service. It .would »e for the
House 'to see whether there.bad not been an en-
tire neglect of all the means necessary for carry-
ing on time war in Canada, and on the. Lakes—
. Canadian frontier was a chain of Lakes., and
our superiority in that territory could only be
maintained by a large Naval force on those
Lakes. Now the country had.to lament;thoasands
Of brave lives lost, besides. the.-loss- of•rriiiitatv
honour,-and yet this frontier Itud not been ,secured.
The defence of Canada was alone a most impor-:
taut ohjecCof the war, in point of trade,4---in point
of the- property embarked in it,,---otracCount of
the loyalty of time inhabitants, exemplified in their
defence, when they-had been left to themsel yes,—
and, lastly, because that colony was ,associated
.with many brilliant recollections of former mili--
tary fame. Now' what.measures had- been taken

to secure Lim Lake Ontario, which was the Fin-

1

e coo igi:i
ci ipal safeguard of this territory ? tri'iu tioelfle
lad elapsed for its defence, for but litt'e'llials'il it
been necessary. Hie would take "P°11,..0a °l'liif
say, that from the time of thedeclaf3l, step` l'o
till the end of that year, not a sn,g- dotr,tr
been taken by the Government of this CO
t°l,l;er.";
strengthen the hands of the GoverOr'soloct%;
ward the proper supplies. This.. v,vas i-ii,of".•;
worse than mere neglect. A 36gon sij-i lritsc--1
he understood, was asked for in o,o4'l3,'iTclFl';,
not given.. The winter of 1812 was .en, by ;t1,:01
by tis in respect of exertions, but.iwt sienti, li:jd'
rica, who, without previous establisburboor. 'lid
formed their armaments in Sackett's 11,3, thii, ''ol
called on Gentlemen opposite to disl)th-iilie'
to skew that due
.preeautious harplw:ll ,I,e a'''':,ct
'the Qatari°, the Americans gaioo.l l'of liiiiv
cane, and took andltUrnetf the cAP'tj;i ,v0"10'„i.
Canada .(York). Ile hoped dna thi' cr 100 pi(
repaired by the great ship of wore t Fit'', s:iLe ;;„f.d
He could not discuss points of oava, ,3sii)o.lo,
from what he had beard, he s11011111„:1°i119:101'
her
think that the same force distrib'm unlit(:c,,n°
of vessels would have been wore eo it
P
if (1011
ecer.,
the safety of the Lake, especially
Tier time. He had no consolation 11301)
the hopes held out of a victory, by Sir, ditst'oli
over Commodore Chauncey. victory,
`:1,311,°,4
hope held out of the restor.ation or ri -‘totr I":ir,
!,,Dhtti.ioix,l,noe,,pilleivlciicililtja,liklaiiiselnesta:lsireiltlet:liytl,eithe)ai:
;slfittl_:,(i'llaitoldL.)::teie:lli!.:is:iiiiiiee:,:ult.:tivltitireib•scrs,itiis,alytlilli:l.c'eri.:lll.;;;;cii,i‘ls3.lcce:iii.,;(:l,llhqirri
lour ; but if they were denied all Inel,s:k.ill,‘o‘;;)
o
.%tvias, it was no injury to hint to e"lr 'roily' i'l
. lenh After some other rentarlo,
'roil
(111;i111,1
"Yaii moving for an account of vcsse.s 6 0 the or
ofU j
(land
tia
aartyn,llfBor2,Ltt,otkethCehinsmtrlll,olituA,llar;: OP' ;
I'6.
to the Ist of 1.•-lovember, 1813: no i(::"11
The CHANCF,LLOR of the kil.tscu-,ftesgl'i),ll,l:'
iwould 'concur in anv motion f'or r"l'c'-oftile,`; i.-
t the conduct of the war; but the e°PY clpt•-`il,
Celedings of the Ct,,utrt Martial `)I1 itler Irtn'''
wardsca yn
i ig I'
himt
(General . Proctor) ; and it' niilit
:be : 'Piero:
produce those proeccdi'l/14060.;N .0
therefore, in assentinc: to any of til. ,:01l i'llf.ti
to
ofrect another °Firer, nosy tlo'
itiocii
bet's !notions, he inust make on eseeP'occi.‘,e
‘lhfill_ll,l:tliils(yit.to4ll(7):lo'ire:delliiie.t:e7el.:l!:;:stitnl(:)ti!efigiselii''.::!frtp-_:::p,iclisit:liic:.iftbiint.)liislit'esttPv4:l,.;,?"l:i:Pc.te'f.,orri‘oli;lo,l)l• 1:11'0:111::::1:_!'.::::
ni Hal it n'aS proper to. coltintonicate.o,,,,,o:.
nswer to the Hm,. Aienlbecs.spceel'
of til':,:,
fconceived, be found in. the produc/0P bilti ': , •
ormation lie desired. 1-.le could product/0P
„ ,01 .'
dent information, and set flint right f).r. 1101
sill?jccts ; but
authentic documents thn 1 by his 0-wi'''''lcc`i'.
andil Housei'i.‘' when
z._ thet
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itt:lih,ilioc:i‘ililitell,ll.(...i.:scst::inilli,e'(tteii)((.l.ll.Eisiriteitß:l)6:l,ll.tSis.rleitaii°(.tic)c..:El)6l:lley.'iSt
se.it;rB,ll:fiNel,ac'etit.‘tilrii.:si(e..:lll‘.a:l:'ritritigiet:::i.its‘i
joll,r.Clatlst',)tir;l:lifilsLii'!,.•::::.l.l,.:c7'.,:i'lli.i,,l),il'i,i..ti:
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( , L.' ` ' .
answer
il
teetion-afforded. ' . idly
u, he •,,s sorry ,4 ~1;5.% ..:ef '
Nw-lel.lober so much titkittformed. .'l' 'e .elc ''''-10
.I.ne
It. was
never sent to the lion. Mernber's e',:' Ci'li:,o4'
equal
11reaLIcifii:ic(liisiii(e):)ge::c1;icIt'Ill.altle'y)(t1111):ei• tftit;llxll:2l'''lllilielL'ac'tb;ilt'e:l‘kitscios'-:ll:l7:l;":l:l:;'l°L';'..tt..iit'll'ti'l'i'tilii
answerpence
re
ag"ii.i(v{)leuttit:ii ebvvealit''tisile‘lll::::ti:s;i'sil''''':e.:l‘7ll''''titlitilrll'l'
levity
c‘tvfoliurhi-:ttil Witieh N-Vi.'S' IlOt.ll 1.911 '"
e '''''' ("ll'
bt(1:::;3griol ti. il'it'deiielii:usil'icl.): C.-‘.4re. .11 eICCA;11:'CI.1(1)14titli:::1';'131-11:11it11"r::11%'1:eet'l‘;(11'ii
e laid- on the table,.it was 'lot his (i.., 'Ol-t)e'aiit%
into details. \Viten the I: of "..1;“ 3Cl')
F1101.11(1'6111)7 say, that fulitn(l:lYsatisfact°ll. titol,
, 03, or
would he before the House.
Mr. MARRYAT observed, that ill 1119 jitei'l'a-- lie,.
:InsucChhianirton;al:llataiffirj.l7,'lli'is: ::tebielle3:-,1 ,";:i-,e),:.pc:i1.':::1.,i.1.1:1
ici(a)duid derive Front the product ioo
_O. ~,,s, ,iii.,
'acc9" to lists of the i7ilPrt,..°s- of ``,:,,,,,,
1,11.) to: the first of the mon:it, were I" 'lcitt''','''
ii/3 bfd been. rec. tutored: or give`' :11-'lG'eP.:E;`e;:'
St` Of 802' kept by the Arnericatis• 1,-,v ".r'e '''.4,4
tures were in August, 18 12,:. and l'..,:i'Soce,',r •
Irnade at the rate of 100 a month t"%„. :,11$7,ipl,
hen they dropped to 20 a-tnotilla.t.oliP'r
months‘ifi
Jen the war commenced, wall I,elictl' /.oii'':
se's were sailing with license'' - c c'''):o4-,l
%tvbeerecarle)lfttiirseesd,waeurnel.
itelitei
I-1-
cAet(iitntioralt!,Yvegt:t,;:coAlr'llilic;c:i.
4Vlien. peace c.rtme in '142,1. 'l4 ‘'.!'
concerns, were thrown. hit° -a "C“Nfli6.iltitril
the opening of foreign ”orts• av,- .er
ri 'oi4 .11,
a i
was, thus set afloat,- and the outP":',l,,c r 30,11,
get rid of Conroys.'. It Ivos not ill 0 Jel'', 003;
the Admiralty to give all the protecti`-:ectiq 471:e
unless by some new arrangements re.sel gott): 0,
vlolys-, aitd 'give
,orderS -IVllich slwilid I.crilv-Ici'cc'
a tire). the globe,: •1171,60 peace.,t ioocllen:t
American privateers. acted with g, ce' f tlie,,,i!';';
many of them came into the cl)OPs .04)1., tlis►oolp
u.el, Calculating on the advantage ~r 11:6:1 t
light vessels. If during another P",,i:ett t 1.00,1,
were.l. not taken to-regulaqeeotivoys.,.e'b jt-Pol,P:cr
ti fealty would deserve cenStire, %,.,v,b,. :0,31,41v °(„l4li'
' e'did not think they did. Ile ft''''ki.s 3'l. Vt!
rriter,- as. nurch: on this subject 1 t Je'.'cgli,
member could. British ships it's
~id 7 ceiLii c°ll.
'Throughout,
to the East Indies 11)0°,1.44e' et
roughout, !flitch confidence wos 1 - ;oil If
- .0;0' i''
voys.. • , i , %Oh,. arc,ll'
,Mr. R
—ARING remarking on the : IP. `, Jr J',l
the Honoitrable. Member, obserre'" rcs '`.iir,
~ , lift' (aril` %tor
thevariatidif in life number 0.i.-yetl4 ,It 'di
given time, he, adMitted that pil'.ol oti;',',l,l,
he chops of the charmed, 'llld ..'‘.!.,.1.11ic 11e1;.0111"..11,1
SOS; Ile w.ls convinced that It' - coito'.'l,oll:l‘a
the American war,ihe ports of til'al, ti 3 tt' 5 1(;11
tair,ll:l °tught to ilave.be-oC!,(> watche iiiiniogi'l lit it:
11`1"rge:sirips eolnittir out aildircii spl'e,(Jr7l;
had done. ic
'a. Goveritt%ent Oh -i i ot:. i
e. ti t 1 ,itod''clil'
vio•otte • -
•ts in'the conimenConeut. '
4,1100.-.0,b1
had
have been morespeedi,,Y,n'tgL•fit:3'bY
hadscen a statement printed in ;Is-