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church (the collegiate church) that was supported by
church-rates. All the others, numbering from thirty to
forty, were maintained not by church-rates, but on the
voluntary system.—(Hear.) There was, in fact, no dif-
ficulty about the matter; there was no necessity for any
registering or classifying. Where men went to church
they would willingly pay for its support.—(Hear.) The
Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) had told them,
that the people who monopolized the churches belonged
to the middle classes. There was no doubt that they
saw few poor people--fewer than he would like to see—
in the church—(Heer, hear)—and he thought the libe-
rality of sentiment the Right Hon. Gentleman had shown
would not stand less favourably before the country be-
cause it had met with a sneer from tho Hon. Member
opsosite (Mr. Henley). The people, then, who attended
church, were just the very class who could pay for the
fabrics of their churches.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Henley) insinuated that the rates would
not be paid if this proposal was carried; but, if there was
not religion, there was a point of honour at all events
among men that would lead them to be ashamed to see
Dissenting chapels well maintained, and their own
ehurchea going to decay. .He repudiated the senti-
ment of the Hon. Gentleman. He thought there was
no danger whatever of Churchmen shrinking from the
duty of supporting their own places of worship if they
put the church-rates on the voluntary principle; the
churches would be as well supported as they were now.
—(Hear.) He did not believe in the low base sentiment
he had attributed to the members of the Church cf
England, that they would pass themselves off as Dissen-
ters; that they would, in short, play the hypocrite to
save the tax.—(Hear, hear.) He did not blame the
world for much practical hypocricy at all. Men were
generally in earnest on matters of religion; but, if there
were hypocrites, they would bring it to a better market
than to sell their religion for the paltry saving of a piti-
ful pittance of church-rate.—(Hear, hear.) He had no
doubt many of his friends would vote for the motion of
the Honourable Member for Tavistoek; but, being a
Churchman, and anxious to show that he wished to ex-
empt Dissenters from church-rates, he should have great
pleasure in supporting the amendment of the lion. Gen-
tleman the Member for Oxford.—(Cheers.)
The House then divided on the question whether the
words proposed to be omitted from the original resolu-
tion should stand part of the question or not, when the
numbers were—

Ayes ...
Noes ...

... 183
... 20
Majority ... ... —163
The original motion, as proposed by Mr. Trewlany
was then put, when the numbers were—
Ayes ...
Noes

~. 84
... 119
Majority ... —35
Both the original motion and the amendment were
consequently negatived.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that, with regard to the ad-
journed debate on the resolutions moved by the Hon.
Member for Buckinghamshire (Mr. Disraeli), perhaps
that Hon. Member would not object to go on with it to-
morrow (this day), and, if the debate should not then
terminate, proceed with it on Thursday.
Mr. DISRAELI had no objection to accede to the
proposal of the Noble Lord. He only wished to consult
the convenience of the House.

Mr. EWART said he had a motion standing first for
Thursday, on the subject of the punishment of death,
which he certainly was very desirous of bringing on.
Mr. DISRAELI thought it would be better to go on
with the adjourned debate to-morrow (this day.)
Mr. BOUVERIE complained that during the two divi-
sions which had just taken place the doors of the House
had been kept closed, by which several Members who
were not present at the first division, but who were
anxious to have taken part in the second division, were
prevented from doing so.
The SPEAKER said the doors ought to have been
opened immediately after the first division, and before
the question on which the second division took place was
proposed. _