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London, England, 1836-04-22 00:00:00

CALL OF THE HOUSE.

The SPEAK ER having called upon
The Marquis of CHA ND 0 S—the Noble Lord said that the
House having been so recently called over, on the motion of
the Hon. Member for Southwark, he should not feel it neces-
sary to persevere in his motion.—( Hear.) He would, there-
fore, move that the Order of the Day be read, for the purpose
of being discharged.
On the motion of Mr. D. W. HARVEY, the defaulters who
had not attended at the Call of the House on Tuesday last,
were called over.

On the name of Sir C. Greville being called on, an Hons
Member apologized for his absence.
Those who did not appear, and for whom no excuse was of-
fered, were ordered to attend as follow :—William Blamire,
Esq., Sir Charles Cockerell, Sir Edmond Samuel Hayes, Sir
Gilbert Heathcote, Sir Robert Heron, Frederick William
Mullins, Esq., and Jonathan Peel, Esq., do attend this House
to-morrow (this day) 2 • the Right Hon. Frederick Shaw, and
Sir John Wrottesley, do attend this House on Monday next ;
the Hon. Edward Howard, John Hodson Kcarsley, Esq., Sir
Richard Musgrave, Colonel Seale, Sir George Strickland,
William Addams Williams, Esq., do attend this House upon
Thursday next.
Mr. D. W. HARVEY interrupted the calling over of the
names. He had no doubt that the apologies which were being
made were quite satisfactory, but with respect to the last
named Hon. Member, lie had just been informed by a Noble
Lord near him, that he was seen a few minutes before looking
at pictures in the gallery.—( Hear, and laughter.)
Mr. HARVEY again rose. He had no objection to name
the Noble Lord who had given him the information. It was
the Noble Lord (A. Lennox) the Member for Chichester.
Lord A. LE NNO X rose amidst much laughter. He had
no desire or intention of being shown up in that way in making
the communication, but he could not contradict him. He did
not mean to have been brought forward in that manner—
( A laugh)—but it was a perfect fact that he had seen the
Hon. Member.—[The Noble Lord here suddenly paused, his
eye having caught Sir C. Greville, the Hon. Member to
whom he was alluding, sitting on the opposite side of the
House, and resumed his seat amid roars of laughter.]
The list having been gone through,
Mr. HARVEY regretted that his motion should have put
Hon. Members to any personal inconvenience ; but he was
anxious that there should be no misunderstanding on the sub-
ject, and that Hon. Members' constituencies should know what
the cause of their absence was. He thought it right to say,
in order to make the farce of calling over the House complete,
that to-morrow he meant to move that the order be discharged.

SABBATH OBSERVANCE.
Lord MORPETH and several Hon. Members presented
petitions for the better observance of the Sabbath.

Sir ANDREW AGNEW said it was now his duty
to ask leave of the House to bring in the
Bill, in favour of which so many petitions had
been so often presented—so many indeed that he believed
there was scarcely an Honourable Member who had
not one or more on the subject. He was aware that
the House was anxious to pass to the consideration of other
matters ; and, therefore, he would content himself, without
making any observation, if there was no intention to oppose
the hitroduction of the Bill—

Mr. GISBORNE—It is my intention to oppose it.
Sir A. AGNE W—That was the third time he had taken
the liberty of intruding himself—( Hear)—and he believed the
subject was then pretty well understood, and innumerable
petitions had been presented, praying the House to sanction
the measure he proposed. He should perhaps apologise to
the House for his want of ability.—( Hear, hear, hear.)
The Hon. Member proceeded at considerable length to address
the House, but a single connected sentence of his speech could
not be heard in the gallery ; and, if we may judge from the
frequent calls of " Speak up " in the body of the House, the
Hon. Member must have been inaudible to those around him.
The Hon. Member concluded by moving for leave to bring in
a Bill for the better observance of the Lord's Day.
Sir 0. MOSELEY seconded the motion of the Hon.
Baronet. He thought the House had an easy task to per-
form, because he felt certain that no person would oppose
the motion.—(Cheers.) He supported the motion, not only
upon private, but upon public grounds. He was happy
that any Honourable Member had the courage to bring
a subject of this nature before the House ; but it was
particularly honourable to the Honourable Baronet who
brought it forward, since his former exertions in the same cause
had drawn upon him not only opposition but ridicule. It was
highly honourable to him that, under such circumstances,
he should have persevered in his endeavours to procure for the
poor man the unmolested enjoyment of the Lord's Day. And
here he must remark, that this Bill especially protected the
poor man. The rich man needed not protection.—( Hear. )
Everybody knew the Sabbath was not so well kept now as it
was some few years ago, in consequence of the disgraceful
scenes of dissipation that were to be witnessed in the beer shop.
Those were the sentiments he entertained, and although the
majority of the House might be against him, yet he felt the
more the sentiments entertained by the majority of well-
judging people out of the House. He seconded the motion.
Mr. GISBORNE thought it was not right that the
House should be occupied upon that which had proved
abortive so often—namely, an attempt at legislative
interference with respect to the Sabbath. He would,
therefore, as an amendment, move the previous question.
There were no less than 84,000 pages of Bills printed on this
subject, all of which had failed, and surely after those repeated
experiments, the Hon. Baronet could not hope to carry it.
The Hon. Member concluded, by moving the previous question.
Mr. O'CONNELL could assure the Hon. Member he did
not laugh at him ; he only smiled at some ludicrous verses
which occurred to his mind, and which he read shortly
alter the former debate on the Hon. Member's motion.
If it could be shown that England was the irreligious country
it had been described, such a Bill might perhaps be necessary ;
but even if it was, he denied that legislation could cure the
evil.
Mr. O'CONNELL would assure the Honourable Baronet
that when he laughed, it was only because a parody on some
lines of a well known comic writer occurred to him ; they were
these—
,' As I sat in a conventicle, looking very blue,

I saw two Baronets, Moseley and Agnew,
And one was so pious he hanged on a Monday
His irreligious cat, who killed a mouse on Sunday."
With regard to the Bill before the House, it might be sup-
psrtcd with some show of reason, if it were proved that the
people of this country were irreligious—but the case was quite
otherwise.
Mr. POTTER said, as the Hon. Baronet had given no de-
tail of his proposed Bill, the House could only form its opi-
nion from the Bills which he brought into the House in 1833
and 1834. Those Bills were highly penal fines, varying from
10s. to 1/., and were to be found in almost every clause.
They were Bills of Pains and Penalties, as against the middle
and labouring classes, but gave perfect impunity to the great
and rich.—( Hear, hear.) Restrictions of every kind were
imposed—no carriage of any description, or horses,' could
be hired under heavy penalties ; but those who had them of their
own, could use them just as they choose.—( Hear, hear.) The
public bakehouse was to be closed, so that the tradesman,
mechanic, and labourer were to be prevented having a hot
dinner on Sundays. But with a singular consistency, a pro-
cess was to be allowed to be carried on, called setting and
superintending the sponge, as it is termed. And why ?That
new bread might be placed on the tables of the rich, on Mon-
day morning.—( Hear, hear.) The sale of refreshments of all
kinds, and even of ripe fruit, was rigidly prohibited. Will the
Hon. Baronet legislate equally for all classes ? Will he insert
a clause $o prohibit the Zoological Gardens being open Qll

Sundilys?—( Hear.) Wit', he close St. ,ilameis • the Green,
mild iyde Parks, on the Sunday ?—( Hear.) Vfil'l he prohibit
any gotineiii[ioi cut on Sunday? 1-1;.4, -wilt do
no such thing—there ‘.Ol lip martial and unjust,
He ( Mr. Potter) would read to gi*t extract
from the Right Hon. Baronet's (the Member f:S4' rfalti'Wortli)
•-`,p,,eeli last year, when a Sabbath Bill was before the hOf..fls.—
!fe .*44 t' do so because he cordially concurred in it.
`;.if it he Wiring f'ot frie )istssible classes to travel by steam to
Ric inond OW Sunday, silfrely it isstist he wrong
do e_
for us
traiYelVih* OlirjCdrriages fl'ae sass,e da7
lieve that the sleti fife' tie er'esticf oflk2 riders:l- in this re'svegt, if
we attempt to interfere with the loe'oifttion and recreation's of ,
the poor on Sundays. we shall pursue a cotirst; t:Snsking to cre-
ate disunion between the upper and lower classes Of goeiety,
to introduce a psinciple of inequality into our legislation. To
any law proceeding upon that principle I decidedly object.
If you legislate at all upon the subject, it ought to be impar-
tially, the restrictions you provide should apply equally to all
classes."—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. WARBURTON opposed the Bill. If the principle
were once admitted it might be stretched to an extent equal to
that to which it similar principle was carried in the time of
Cromwell, and therthy bring both religion and morals into
eisrepute.
Mr. ROEBUCK objected to de OA It was a hypocriti-
sal measure. Why not make it a fair and t'ol,rpreliensive so a-
sae at once, including all classes, without distitoStion ? The
Hon. Baronet Enid that his object was to protect a law class
of the community. Dtit in this large class he did not inrlude
gentlemen's servants. A sertSitit did his master's business M
much on Sunday as on any other day, and no gentleman
should lay down his own favourite rule of cm-id:lst As a guide
for that of others. If they were to legislate at all on the sub-
ject let them do it impartially, and not force their own servants
to work on Sunday. This Bill had been rejected by the
House three times before, and if it were brought on again he
would move, as an amendment to it, that every gentleman
using a carriage on Sunday should be fined 20/. ; every gen-
tleman frequenting a club on that day be fined 101. ; that
every servant sent on an errand by his master on that day be
at liberty to inform against his master, and the master to be
fined 10/, half the fine to go to the informer, the other to the
King ; that every Clergyman using a carriage on that day be
fined 1001. ; and every Bishop 21V. ; and that Hyde Park
and Kensington Gardens be dosecron Sunday ; and for this
he hoped to have the aid of Gentlemen opposite.—( Laughter. )
Lord SANDON said this was not a subject to be treated
with ribaldry and abuse. An attempt was made on the other
side to separate the rich from the poor, and raise oh this pre-
tence an outcry against the Hear, hear.)
Sir A. AGNEW replied, but was quite inaudible.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the Motion
Against it
Majority
On our return to the gallery we found a desultory conversa-
tion going on, the greater part of which was inaudible from
the noise of Members leaving and strangers entering the House,
relative, we presume, to a second Bill which Sir A. Agnew
had asked for leave to bring in, for the purpose of giving Ma-
gistrates the power of altering the Saturday and Monday
Markets, so as to prevent any interference with the Sabbath in
consequence of their being held on those days.
Mr. GisisoalsE and Mr. POTTER complained of the great in-
convenience which would ensue if market days were liable to
be so altered.
Dr. rfoWRING contended that under a notice asking for
leave to bring in a Bill for the due observance of the Lord's-
day, it was not competent to the Hon. Baronet to bring in such
a Bill as that which he now proposed.
Several other Hon. Members protested aginst the Bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER agreed
the Hon. Baronet could not bring in such a Bill under the
notice given. It was a Bill open to all the objections urged
against the former one, and to many more beside. If the
Monday's market were interfered with, the Tuesday's and the
Wednesday's, and the Thursday's and Friday's markets must
also be deranged. It would be productive of the most serious
evils, if any two or more Magistrates were to be invested with
the power of deranging the whole agricultural and commercial
transactions of a county.
Sir A. AGNEW said, after what, therefore, had fallen
from Hon. Gentlemen, he begged leave to withdraw his mo-
tion.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. D. W. HARVEY protested against the monstrous
absurdity and hypocrisy of these proceedings. If the first
Bill ought to be brought in, the second ought to be brought in
also. It was a question between cattle and Christianity.—
(Hear, hear.) He could not understand on what grounds the
Chancellor of the Exchequer could vote in favour of the Bill
which the Hon. Baronet first introduced, and yet oppose the
present motion, for what argument was there in the one case,
that did not equally apply to the other? All the markets must
be changed, if need be, for the second motion was but a ne-
cessary consequence of the first. All this showed the absurdity
of any legislative enactment on such a subject. Did not this
country pay 3,000,0001. a year for a spiritual police, and for
what purpose but to enforce on tke minds of the people the
necessity of observing the Christian Sabbath, and all those
Christian ordinances on which their moral character and spiri-
tual welfare so entirely depended ? Why, then, seek to put the
stamp of law on it ; and, if legislated for at all, why not legis-
late completely ? What was it the Chancellor of the Exchequer
meant by his distinctions—what the inference to be drawn from
his speech but this, that so long as the observance of the Sab-
bath was a mere speculative sentiment, the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman would be found amongst its supporters ; but the moment
it was proposed to interfere with the sale of sheep in Smith-
field, or of cattle at Islington, that moment the commandments
of the Gospel were to be treated as of no more force than the
varied enactments of the Mosaic law, and the interests of
Christianity were to be sacrificed to the interest of the cattle-
breeder and the agriculturist 2—( Hear, hear.) Against such
shallow hypocrisy and monstrous absurdity he, for one, would
continue to protest.
The motion was then withdrawn.
COUNTY RATES.
Mr- HUME presented various petitions in favour of a mQa-
sure to give to the county rate-payers the power of appoint-
ing those who were to manage the county rates.
The SPEAKER said that it was only in urgent cases of
breach of privilege that it was deemed desirable to interfere
with the ordinary course of the business.
Lord J. RUSSELL entirely concurred with what had fallen
from the Chair. Still, if any convenience could arise from the
adoption of the course proposed by the Hon. Member for Mid-
dlesex, he, for one, was ready to assent to it, reserving to him-
self the full right to state his views when the matter came un-
der discussion.
After a few words from Sir R. PEEL,

Lord J. RUSSELL would state the course he meant to
pursue. He was quite of opinion with the Hon. Member for
Middlesex, that some alteration in the law on the subject was
necessary—(Hear)—and he was ready to assent to the Hon.
Gentleman's bringing in his Bill for that purpose ; but he did
not feel disposed to concur in that Bill being read a second
time this Session.

Mr. fi UME was ready to agree to the course indicated by
the Noble Lord, and would, therefore, for the present post-
pone his motion.

CARLOW ELECTION—BREACH OF PRIVILEGE.
Mr. HARDY'S first sentences were inaudible, He said he
was not koing to call on the House to try any one twice on
any offence whatever. When he had the honour to call the at-
tention of the House to a bargain which had for some time
previously been matter of public conversation, which every-
body had been inquiring about, which was the subject of con-
troversy in every place, and of which everybody expected that
the House of Commons would take some notice, he said that
he had previously declared his intention to bring the matter
forward, if no one else more competent to deal with it would
take it up. He accordingly brought the matter forward. It
was with the assent of the Hon. and Learned Member for
Dublin referred to a Committee. The Committee took the
subject into their consideration ; the Committee made their re-
port ; and to the circumstances stated in that report he now
felt it his duty to request their attention. That report, so far
as he could understand it, and he trusted it was in language
sufficiently plain for any man to understand, called the atten-
tion of the House to certain points of the case which had
been before it, and in so doing stated that which was
quite sufficient for his purpose, so far as the first reso-
lution of which he had .given notice to the House was con-
cerned. As to the agreement concluded between the Hon.
and Learned Member for Dublin and Mr. Raphael, the
Committee reported as follows :—" It appears that Mr.
O'Connell addressed a letter, bearing date the Ist of June,
1835, to Mr. Raphael, in which an agreement for Mr. Ra-
phael's return for the county of Carlow for 2,0001. was con-
cluded." Therefore, if the House adopted the same view of
the case as the Committee, they must agree in the first reso-
lution which he would submit to them ; because it now ap-
peared, after the fullest investigation, the Committee treated
the charge of trafficking as proved, at least to this extent, that
an agreement was actually concluded between the Hon. and
Learned Member for Dublin and Mr. Raphael. The House,
therefore, had now before it the agreement for a sale of a seat
to Mr. Raphael of 2,000/.—(Cries of " No, no")--and if
that were not a breach of the privileges of the House, he was
yet to learn what was a breach of privilege. If any doubt
whatever remained on the subject it was only necessary to look
to the evidence of Mr. Vigors, who was examined before the
Committee, and who was himself a party peculiarly impli-
cated in the transaction, to be satisfied that the agreement
was concluded. Mr. Vigors said, in answer to a question that
was put to him—

" •Mr. Raphael acquiesced, as far as I understood, in the jus-
ticed of those terms ; but he seemed still to hesitate, and he said
he wished to consult his friends ; and upon my stating that_ i I,e
must determine, for that I must have an answer within a
,da)!
that I had not four-and-twenty hours to remain in town,l
asked him then what friends he wished to consult, and he im-
mediately mentioned his friend Mr. O'Connell.
,I acquiesced
in the justice of his choice, and I said that Mr. 0 Coa 11
nttner to be
exactly the man to whom I should wish the 0
submitted. I left him then, under the imprweshsiolendintithadtell)ieenudeads
to leave the whole matter to Mr. O'Connell,.. a
enthely on following up this negociation with .;','lr. O'Connell
whether he was to be our candidate or. not."
So that it was here distinctly admittedthathuenalgesrseelirt.oßpaay-
phael agreed with Mr. O'Connell,. and unless _
ould presently allude,
the 2,0001. for the purposes to which
M r .
Hearßaphael w,
hear.)ou l would n o tThhaiva e,
then,been
saidw 1
i,
aa forward
corruptas a candi-
date.—_(
ree _meet ; it was an agreement. whichhecalled for the reprobation of
I tion if candidates were to be the House, for to talk of purity
that
absurdity. House
Afteron agsrteaet
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brought forward and Membernsdfpeeleae
meets like these was an utter an
mcve/Padsleictnoencluded the committee
ing in the report that the agreement
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atousepxicoloiteamreurachevseudsp,iecirond,idanangytrhaivaegaeneimeaardvtearspiroenv.e
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animadversion was not merited ? So far as it affected the con-

duct of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin in
removed by I. t
point of view that suspicion was certainly nsaction
followed in the Report. But the character of the tra c_.
itself was not at all altered by that qualification ; the trat
03.3 s
dun itself remained as foul as it was before the Rfi,rether
made. The tinestion as it related to the public was,gated m.
it was' to Le permitted that individuals were to be ,100.
OA ffouse in consequence of agreements of this deserTe...„rt
tions had taken plaCe
--(Hee' °'''''sr.') The Committee bad stilted in their 1
nr_.
----------------- Dublin • one
" that it appedik.k drat previous conferences and cernill_lcas,
and other persons conneete with the county of Carla's', act'.
that Mr. O'Connell was acting' on this occasion at the,
be-
pressed t_e media._
a
desire of Mr. Raphael, and was only b
between Mr. Raphael, Mr. 1 ger__,
tweeit Mr. Raphael, Mr. %rigors, and the political clubs t_
Citric w.'.9 Now did this alter the case? Was this thealet,i.a.
c;t!se for much suspicion and grave animadversion, th
ctitio__
O'Connell appeared to he not a principal in the nerse hieatir.3
with Mr. Raphael, but the aunt of others ?—( Hear'
treat the whole question as one solely involving. the pers4;
Ile could see perfectly well Apt there was an endeavou(r,uto,
conduct of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin.H:
did
that was not the question at issue.—( Hear, hear.) with
not charge the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin
so
putting money into his pocket ; and indeed the 11°n. that
Learned Member took advantage of his of doing to 5aY,,,./1
he had acquitted him on that score. .The mportance
.Wri_."'a,
he then attached to it was on public grounds, and !_!. "the
on public grounds that be now brought it forwrd.. tfit,.his
letter :-2tith of Nov., 1834, Mr. O'Connell wrote to Mr. Vigors t
~. ht the
" My dear Vigors—We are alt bustle, preparing wilg
Tories in all the counties and boroughs. Carlow county.intoe;
rests you more immediately. Wallace and 13lakeney gi,',,,,.
suggest 7,0
they will not answer. The honest men there
Porsonby, Lord Duncannon's son, and Mr.
London sheriff: Will you call on Lord Duncannon . thisdno SO;
business? I wrote to him to say, I would ask you to
vibe-
first, however, you should see Mr. Raphael, and ascertain u ,
My
ther or not he would stand. We could secure him the:tornosti
at an inconsiderable expense ; say, for the "II ua-
-3,000/. You can tell him that i will beeone of the
sg ci
rautecs of his success, if he will thus con .l forvvard a
_c_le
w withoutiadthly
colleague of Mr. Ponsonby. Let me kno•
whether there be any chance of efTectuatinj this p_._
most faithfullY:,
Believe me always, my dear Vigors, your's,
'2_ N. A. Vigors, Esq., M.P. " DANIEL O'CoN:NF,l,!..frn,
_ By that letter it appeared that the Hon. and Learned lad,
ber was the first to suggest the application to Mr. gap
ibis
Raphael,
and to mention the sum for which he would guarantee
0,
election. Then there was a letter to Mr. Pearson,
~rrif
spectable solicitor in London, and acting as
at the same time that Mr. Raphael acted Decheriff. In Mr.
letter, dated Mer • Dublin, 1934'
rion-square,
O'Connell said—.would be
f{ I agree with you entirely in thinking that it t. I
exceedingly desirable to have Mr. Raphael in Parliannoire
had already been apprised that he intimated ;ecently ILcalso
to be so ; and, indeed, I believed it the more readily, P%rto..
he some two or three years ago told me as much.
t'unity;
nately, as I hope, there is now quite a suitable oPPur obeli,
andCarlow county is likely to be deserted by its present * you
Unde-Sht.,hat
we are threatened by two powerful Cons letter
woo
will be glad to hear that even before I got your letter ..,00 to
and
dlesce with young Mr. Ponsonby, Lord
toc Mr. Vigors, suggesting Mr. Raphael as a likelY Pe'; son,
Duncatell pi of
by that means to ensure the return of bah. bottool.
both, for both must embark, if at all, in the sanieneularitl
and
present impression is, that with Mr. Ponsenhf's P.'"sr to the'
lounnsdt thisod ue
recommendationrgsruebejecptr;obhabel
uli.
ves I onwfeias.lrhlr.tyhßocuapßwhoaoteualln,discuseeceess,,,4: vicor:
Gardens..te by
will find his address in the Directory. 1 will I°f the
this post again to Carlow, and get anexact return 0,1 if I
the utmost, constituency, divided into good, bad, and doubtftlit
e alill 1773.°A;
;tinboustt,mo
wouldne money i necessary.scovcrall e x
pAe
nbsoeus.t 3,100w0i ti 9
fuienuddthat the good exceed the other two, then w- v/1000‘. --
sal i'ace r.
not , , first,
that Raphael stand unless I can insure two things for l'lree'ootilf,
thehe expenses shall not exceed that sum ; and' see re
that will certainly be returned. You may, of eenr„-piievet
on it, that there shall be no speculation. At present, 1 wityself
the return can be made certain, but I win not pledgfc, Sl'
without further information. Let me know how 1'1010.4
phael relishes my proposal to join Mr. Ponsonby, /f col
considerable local interest, and to go as far as 3,0001
,tgnaiti
the election. The principal expense will be to it",, mai
tenants who vote against their landlords' wishes ;red 7r PO
want from one year to half a year's rent. The geiso ba
will only be a loan, and will be repaid. It will not, a A 'vlith
required until after the election, and will be unconnecte! theo
any previous stipulation. The tenants who vote for To.
will expect that the gentlemen who compose the loet oby
mittee should prevent their landlords from ruining tuetbing
sudden demands at periods when the Irish farmer has not ea'
to sell. But the entire of these advances, and all et,,,- teplf
penses, not to exceed the 3,000/. I have mentione. '-ositiv°,
to your answer to this, I will give you precise nn"traet'a
information ; and even then you shall be at liberty to an-
he House would perceive by this letter that the P.O 031
and Learned Member was acquainted with Mr. Raphael 24 bieet'
1832, and had communicated with him en the -13
le'
. di
The terms of thisstipulation,'
in that letter, with somero
rences in the figures tallied/remarkably with those aftefor im.
made. With
_relation to that part of the arrangelnent their
..i h tio
demnif • ying those tenants who were in arrears '-t -
landlords, what did it amount to but a bribe v
000 w t
had a year or a half-year's rent to make and any
was
prepared to pay it ? It was in vain for Nr. up,
Vigorsd tO5 sar
r. 10,. 1 '
this arrangement was not known to the voters of Car f the
Vigors t,himself took good care that d" e '-
the knowlev his el
fact should not be concealed. Mr. Vigors said I°
dence : „,0 the
" I mentionedthat it
has exceeded what I thought i in the
wunderstandingworld,
between us ; but I had no objeetieink,t° it
butor , particularly as the petition was then acttla"/ ilece to rs at
previously to this, in my communication to the e to g 0 tO
theCarlow, I had mentioned that the second 1,0001. wag the olr
.county purposes, which in my understanding Wes - e
it:ft of it." en;
Tli; Hon. and Learned Gentleman, too, undertookagnorea
to go far beyond the instructions of his rncipal, as 81- IV
by the Reper::• as to paying the expensesr of this petitioo.l 301
Hon. and Learnt
d Member requested that Mr. RePhateujue!
everybody else might, be referred to him. That was n° i. Wel'
likefar an agent, and then the Hon. and Learned Mentbehreo li!
. beyond what any agent ever yet did, via.--he twist the
principal overboard, by pledgin •-, himself to Mr. Ra 124,,, to t°,
I only one Liberal were returnedt he, though not lle'idelnbe•
county of Carlow, should ' 'The Hoei vigor°
be the m2a.
then ref erred to that part of the evide2ce where! I‘'...figr' .11115.
spoke of influencing seventy voters, who cOuldi Peen,' rt- :
phaelarr at the head of the poll without diffiCuitY' add j°o
theangement that 1,000/. should go to the C.srlownts Whoso
purpose of being distributed amongst those te.„.llapto to Olt
want of prudence, or want of honesty, induced np-or tbl,3i;
quite 6'; in this
in debt to their landlords. It was thus
e Reform Act, counties might be sold, fe' eljea;ti
instanceteathe county of Carlow was sold for 2,00011 t ootill
titter have
It was quite clear, also, that Mr. IZePhllotls' rj•
exected to have had a seat in that lesoj
be had
not engaged to 1 This WO q rto
pay 2,000 • s warbe ed
although th Hon. Member for Bridport (Mr.
and and Lea
did say that ci
Gentl he made an attempt to put the Hon. . trial, ,
_ Gentleman the Member for Dublin twice upon his of pe
charged him with again wishing to press the accusattode no
ciuniary turpitude. He did no such thing. Ile
retain
charge of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman letae
...,,,de '•
git not to say retain, for he did retain--but.he The
chargerotio-
of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman keePirtc,thatthee
ney.a That he did for a time retain a portion °fr:able ashtit
h some ac:ommodation from it--it was as Pa i• bersit— t
light of day._-(" Oh, 1 ~several H°"' doubt • ? Let
01, from . doubt It .011,1
Mr. O'Connell.) What, did Hon. Members _ros.ecut.i.
.„,ce
them read
he might
. call it so ; and they would there find A. en it
of one
witness, that the money was sent to Ir. cis ";,' it, endo
the Hon. and Learned Member gave a long bill l° :fat° be
was quite clear that the cash was- paid to his own Pr'e by t 1.
mitt: 01w, fo
count. This had been ascertained on the Com
cross-examination of the Hon. and Learned 31 „couot9'
Huntingdon (Sir F. Pollock), and by the bankin,'
which extended from June, 1835, to March. 1836. '5
Mr. O'CONNELL—No, no. Not at all. baniterd
Mr. HARDY referred to th. e evidence of the ote •
clerk, at p. 35 of the evidence, in proof of what "'ova thse
witness
he account commenced on the 3d of June, 18,3'that
stated that it was continued till yestercla) that that 'IC;
till the Ist of March, 1836. He was of opinion loportallat
tcount ought to be looked at, and that it Wag highitYlijs Origillia,
o the elucidation of the question. It was not °be,. for P1i!..0„.
motion ; but at the suggestion of the Hon. 31em ihe aPPcoil
port (Mr. Warburton) that they should as
..ch it h f
tion of the money received, and the manner in
letterwlncif 6th °,l
been disposed of. He would not refer to the subjeettir,
November, as it contained matter extraneous t the
in, two
...iion
question, eulogizing, in the most glowin.... ter sedonl Do
Raphael, whose ears were now tingliDg Viall andtile
unot Otero
that had been administered of beim* faithless, rtain let VA
trusted. --(The Hon. Member then referred to eegapboe/, tot
which passed between Mr. O'Connell and
to
the effect W.
which have already been before the public, t paid to mr.
250/. only out of the second sum of 1,000/. wa:D.awn hi Air,
Baker, and that by a bill of a long date, • ten
on ilea
O'Connell.) He was sorry to cast any ntPut3 'nine(' i •
the e the III:,
Vigors, but it did appear that he was ]spied by ,i rande
nor unimpeachable character so greatly hrn ie3 .
and Learned Gentleman the Member for Puu i ieblis"' lit a
rence to page 121 of the evidence would fullY s m grocv
make it evident that he was a poi //ceps criwiin eery ty of Ca: Of
colouring to the whole transaction. The cell- :Ory se°;cha
was sold for 1,0001., upon a bargain corrupt in °could 'tou.,
the word. Neither in law nor in common sense.cith the cfa
epntended that a corrupt contract could be Made
tingencyierabfropi-
of purity.—(Cheers.) The Hon. • 15 I° es
sed It ' de 0
Newark (Mr. Sergeant Wilde)
had expres• . ~.roitu iAnort
that pion,o the question was not one of politicable7 For 1307 be,
moved
nthe Committee dividing, the Hon. Mei.? d WWI, 22,,nanour
an amendment that very much surprisc,ad the P-
cons
uwfas the more astonished at it as, ever since be "c -
d to c°l!tv of
a seat in that House, he had been accustorn the pull bin,
that Hon. Member as a sleepless sentinel °cc:a charge° ard.
election. The Hon. Member for Bradford h
°don fel4tbstt
with delay in not having earlier brought his ir
_owledc., ho
had been to that delay from the I,,,n___rt. ir 0
He
but few Hon. Members could have read thes li_teeFilati do
°wit
had done wrong he claimed to be excused, a 1',,5 jittery
°, 05
with a desire of accommodating Hon. Mernbeurs,;
tradicteri. the
was impossible to understand the Report, so °evidence. tila
the evidence. If the House referred to the
ed it with
oat
Rev. James Maher, in p. 153, and cOrnpa_r.,covo vvba oer
same person's evidence in p. 154, they would
.ii_c_.'ould then tioti.
of credit ought to be attached to it. They ".11flictolg _ for
ceive that it was impossible to reconcile such t)0 goober
mony. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman 0

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