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the usual hour. -
impre mow: , 4, Sk ' _..r-A*'- ~, ~, -,.. '‘'t. The Lorin lANCELLOR too': his :eat on the Woolsack, at
Sir Pi, lla:RRISO: rose to- offier his epresttetfit-fetans
measure; and he could assure the I-leArAt'...:,at he did so, act on . • .
The Arbroath al!d Ferfar Railway 8111, aol1.„1.011 on the
private, but on putzlie ArreeNAclt. This railroad %TM by no means t,i);„, •. ;-.00,e-;.-- .-..' ; 4 4" '
, 6 Were forwarded a itaErdi.im
Honourable Member
7.ecessary frrr ,;vatic' purposes, as at that very memenZ,
as tee& teen well observed by an o't. i ''' t' ti 11.1 '' L. . n the tlt9tVgifft,hp kisirgliff of ~ A..., S._.i .., toe ter-
'due% P11thiC......;'6.0.g.1. 4Oace'stershire Railway Bill vas read a second
Wlie had preceded him, there was 010 ore
—or two at the very most—which traVOI.A -.6.g.‘ilai.ly will time. ' . . .
that road. Under theeeeitettitittimVe'S, tlierefore, and upon The Duke Of. CUA)1114114,41/ Pre§',VaF &TV ,910 from
public grounds o.nly, kke skished to oppose this measure. If, the e
.'.9l', ; S(i.e;riesi ;and. ;. orni-i-,ri.ii litatitibil Of 0.6 City of
howevr., tile se'Cond reading should be carried, his oppositioi"l Dublin riktiii.,A th.; !rish Municipal Corporation Bill.
wenlattase immediately. !"._./.r A-t. L. Hay and ethers from the Commons, brought up
- Mr. O'C.ONNELL protested against thit slkeeles of discus-
sion._( Loud cries of r, float, liean.y') if the Noble Lord the Dundee and :Forfar Railway Bill, and some other Bills.
OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH.
•( fiord G.- Somerset) had proposed to refer this The Bishop of LONDON presented, petitions from Ber-
Committee of the whole House, c-;,r '4 es-ill to a
rise and not suffer him to Ir 2; ilaaecl,-keeavei• much he thilit
, ; mendet,e and ether' places, in favour of the due observance
y 11l an in it *ftta i. .; --''
e; tne Lord's Day; and one from Derby to the same effect,
deserve it. Yet what Were thZ'' now doing 'They
might and praying for the introduction of a clause (to prevent Sun-
discuss the d:lails otth'e kit as).
cheers.)in a Committee day travelling) in all Railway Bills.
of the whole BVUse.—( Hear, heart' tehIaYABOLITION OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.
Toey this. he The Right Rev..
PRELATE then presented a petition from
most ateetigly objected. He 'Concurred with those Gentlemen
wilt; tald that private property ought to be sacred. (Pear,
hear.) No 'rm.:: in that House would ge Ilti'lher thann—he would
to protect private property from itiVaion, except in cases of Bury St. Edmunds, praying for the abolition of capital punish-
ment in
Gist cases except wilful murder.
The op of CHESTER presented a petition from Ches.
ter to the same effect.
unamitlable necessity. But it was in Committee that the ARBROATH AND FORFAR RAILWAY.
pethion of Mr. Ikilowes ought to be inquited into, and The Earl of HADDINGTON presented a petition from
when the question came again before that House, he (Mr. the trustees of a turnpike-road, against the Arbroath and For-
O'Connell) must have the eleeftSt case made out before far Railway Bill; and two petitions from individuals to the
he would consent to. ievadV Vlthate rights. But be did object
same effect.
to discussing them until after, the ordinary method of the
Committee had failed.—(Loud cries at " Hear.") That
gentleman was no deubt a vtry respectable man, and he had
very respectable advetates in that House ; but the same rule
ought to apply to this Bill as to every other.—(Loud
cheers.) This was a question of practical details, and ought
to be left,for a Committee.—( Hear. )
Mr. T. GLADSTONE wished to say one word relative to
the manner in which the petition from Norwich in favour of
this Bill had been got up. It was get up by the foulest
means—by means of eating and drinking.—(Great laughter.)
Every person who went in and put his name to the petition,
got a good lunch.—(Renewed laughter for some time.) So
much for the petition. He wished to say a few words
relative to vihat had been stated as to that part of the line
which crossed the river Lee. It was not in the power of the
cw.nmittee to alter that line, if they passed this Bill in the pre-
sent seetion. He had already referred to the means by which
petitions in favour of the Bill had been got up, aad the means
by which it had been introduced into that House were equally
objectionable. It had been stated that part of the line passed
through the park of Mr. Fellowes. Not only was not this gen-
tleman's consent asked, but he had not even notice of this rail-
road previous to the second reading. The parties who intro-
duced this railway had resorted to the most disingenuous con-
duct. Previous to the first reading of the Bill Mr. Fellowes
had received no intimation whatever of what they were about
to do, and he thus had no means of opposing it. But
he (Mr. Gladstone) opposed this Bill on public grounds. The
persons who had entered into this undertaking were distant
speculators—Norwich itself had hardly one share-holder ; at
least he had only heard of one gentleman who had shares in
this railroad, who was not totally disconnected with the county.
The traffic on the line of road would not support anything
like a railroad—( Hear)—and they had already every
advantage that could be afforded by a good sea navi-
gation. For these reasons he would most decidedly
oppose this measure.—(Loud cries of " Divide.")

PRISONERS' COUNSEL.
The Earl of BEAU CHANIP presented a petition, agreed to
by a very full bench of magistrates, against the Prisoners'
Counsel Bill.

IRISH CORPORATION BILL.
The Duke of LEINSTER presented a most numerously
signed petition from the citizens of Dublin, in favour of the
Irish Corporation Bill.
Lord LYNDHURST presented a petition from the Com-
missioners of Paving and Lighting of Bristol, complaining
that by the Municipal Corporation Bill their powers had been
taken from them, and praying that they might be pro-
tected by some clause in the Amendment Bill. Also one
from the owners and occupiers of land in the parishes of Wigan
and Kearsley,. praying to be put in the same condition as
other rural districts with regard to the Municipal Reform
Bill.—( Hear.) Also one from the Attornies and Solicitors
of Nottingham against the probate clauses of the Ecclesias-
tical Courts' Reform Bill.
WAR IN SPAIN.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, in rising to present a
petition, said he would take the opportunity of asking a question
of the Noble Viscount at the head of the Government. Since
the question had been before the House upon a former occa-
sion, the war in Spain had assumed a very different as-
pect—he wished to know whether the letter purporting to
have been written from Santandar, on the 4th of March, by
Lord John Hay to General Cordova was true, in fact, aad if
so, whether it had been written by the instructions of the
Government? Also whether; such being the case, there
would be any objections to the production of the instructions ,
Lord MELBOURNE had no doubt but the report was
correct. The matter rested with the Admiralty, but he had
no doubt there would be no objection to the production of the
instructions, if there were any. . _ _

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY gave notice that he
would to- morrow move for a copy of such instructions.
Lord MINTO—We have no such instructions ; we cannot
produce them.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY would also ask for a
copy of Lord Palmerston's despatch of the 10th March, rela-
tive to the 27 Carlist. prisoners. He thought that letter
did the Noble Lord honour, but he was' afraid that
it came too late, for by the commercial advises
which had arrived in the city, he was informed that a vessel had
sailed from the port in which they had' been confined, and
bad touched at Porto Rico without cargo. He wished to ask
whether any information had been received upon the subject.
Lord MELBOURNE said some despatches had been re-
ceived, and he believed would shortly be laid upon the table.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL (IRELAND.)
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY presented a petition
from the Mayor, Commonalty, Citizens of Londonderry, against
the Irish Municipal Corporation Bill. The petitioners complaind
that Londonderry, with a population of 30,000 had been placed
in Schedule C, while Kilkenny, with a population of 6,000 less
than Londonderry, had been placed in schedule B of the Bill.
The Noble Marquis said he would on this occasion draw the
alien tion of the Noble Viscount to the disturbances that had

Mr. MORRISON would not detain the House one moment.
It was proposed that the line of road should pass beyond the
plantation of Mr. Fellowes ; therefore he hoped the second
reading would not be objected to.
Mr. WILKES rose amidst loud cries of " Question," and
" Divide." He had but one word to say. The Hon. Mem-
ber (Mr. T. Gladstone) said that there was not a shareholder
in the county of Norwich.—( Hear, hear, bear.) Now, he
could assure the House that five thousand shares had been
taken by the owners of property along the line.—(Loud cries
of " Hear, hear, hear.") This was undoubtedly the best line
of road that could be adopted.—( Hear, bear.) It passed
through a rich, well-populated district, in which there were
many improving towns, and he was quite sure that the House
would feel that not one argument bad been urged to induce
them to adopt so harsh a proceeding as to reject the Bill on
the second reading.—( Hear, hear.)
The House then divided—
For the second reading

Against it 2O
•
Majority —79
BRISTOL AND EXETER RAILWAY.
On the motion of Mr. SANDFORD, the Bristol and
Exeter Railway Bill was read a third time and passed.
LEITH HARBOUR IMPROVEMENT BILL.
The LORD ADVOCATE, as we understood, moved for
an extension of time for bringing in this Bill.

taken place in Dublin, at;,:itl;dC;trtCti;n of the statute of his
Wm. 111. ; and he could not help-adding, he was sorry to see
such an apathy on the part of the Government to what was
going on in Ireland.
Lord MELBOURNE denied the Government looked on
with indifference to what was passing in Ireland. With re-
spect to the petition the Noble Marquis had presented, he
(Lord M.) was very glad to hear it, and when the Bill
came to be discussed, he had no doubt they should find in the
Noble Marquis a strenuous defender of the rights of the city
of Londonderry, and all the other Corporations in Ireland.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY should certainly do
everything in his power to oppose the Bill in all its stages.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY also presented a peti-
tion from certain officers of the Corporation of Dublin, pray-
ing for compensation in case that House should pass the Irish
Corporation Bill.
A NOBLE LORD, whose name we could not hear, presented
a petition from the Marquis of Donegal, praying to be heard
by Counsel against the same Bill.
CONSTABULARY FORCE OF IRELAND.

Sir GEORGE CLERK said a petition had been pre-
sented from the inhabitants of Leith a few evenings
ago, complaining of an infraction of the standing orders in
respect of this Bill. The majority of the inhabitants were
opposed to the measure, and all they asked the Corporation
to do was to postpone the Bill for one year, in order that time
might be afforded for the 'consideration of the important mat-
ters which it involved. He trusted that the House would not
sanction a departure from the rules which they had laid down,
more particularly as the present Bill was opposed to the wishes
of the great body of the inhabitants.
Mr. HUME wished to know from the Hon. Baronet oppo-
site, whether he thought the House would be acting wisely
in refusing to admit the parties to correct an error, when
it was clear that correction would be of great advantange to
the community.
Sir G. CLARKE said that the error committed• by
the parties was not sending up persons to prove the
allegations of the petition. He believed the majority of the
people of Leith were against the measure, and that great
advantage would arise from delay.
The LORD ADVOCATE admitted that the parties
had negleeted to obey the Sessional Orders, but that neglect
arose from a supposition that it was not necessary to produce
witnesses, until the Bill came before the Committee the
question was whether for that small error the House would
visit them so severely as not to allow the Bill to proceed
further. He was in hopes that, without expense, the matter
would be adjusted in a satisfactory manner.
Mr. FERGLJSSON trusted the House would grant the in-
dulgence required. Strangers were then odered to withdraw.
The House then divided—

The Earl of II ADDINGTON, in pursuance of the notice
which he gave on Monday, moved for certain returns relating
to the expense and strength of the existing police force of Ire-
land, and a similar return of the expense that Would be incurred
under the Bill before the House.—Ordered.

RAILROADS.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE gave notice that he
would move to-morrow that this House do agree to the reso-
lutions communicated by the House of Commons' respecting
railroads.
KINGSTON AND SELBY RAILWAY.
Admiral ADAM and other Members of the House of Corn-
mous brought in this Bill, which was read a first time. .
MUNICIPAL ACTS' AMENDMENT BILL.
The LORD CHANCELLOR moved the second reading
of this Bill.
Lord LYNDHURST said, from the nature of the present
bill he thought its details conld be much better considered
in a committee up stairs. He therefore begged to move that
it be referred to a Select Committee.
Lord MELBOURNE bowed assent.
The following Peers were then named as the Com-
mittee :—the Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Shaftes-
bury, Lord Ellenborough, Baron Langdale, Lord Abin-
ger, Lord Lyndhurst, the Earl Ripon, Lord Devon, Lord
Wynford, the Lord President, Viscount Melbourne, Lord
\Marneliffe, Lord Somerville, Earl Resslyn, Earl Radnor,
Earl Burlington, and Lord Holland. The Committee to meet
on Tuesday next.
. MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS.

Ayes
Noes

... 42
-35

Majority

SHEFFIELD AND' ROTHERHAM RAILWAY.
On the motion of Sir G. STRICKLAND, the Sheffield
and Rotherham Railway Bill was read a third time and passed.

YORK AND NORTH MIDLAND RAILWAY.

Sir G. STRICKLAND presented a petition from Thomas
Boyse, Esq., against the York and North Midland Railway
Bill.--Referred to the Committee.

GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY

Mr. CL AY presented a petition against the Great Northern
.Railway, and gave notice that on Monday he should move that
the Committee on that Bill be revived, or that it be referred
again to the Standing Orders Committee.
Sir J. GRAHAM presented a petition against the South
Durham Railway Bill.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from Charreville, against
certain clauses in the Ulster Canal Bill.

Mr. BERNAL and others from the Commons brought up a
copy of the Report from the Committee for ascertaining the
best mode of obtaining information respecting railways.
The House then adjourned.

Earl Grey took his scat this evening for the first time this
Session, and was cordially welcomed by Noble Lords on both
sides of the House. His Lordship first had a tete-a•tete with the
Bench of Bishops, after which he gradually went down
past the Treasury Bench, and sat where Lord Brougham
usually sits. There Lord Lyndhurst joined him, and sat for
some time in pleasant conversation with the Noble Earl. Soon
after several other Noble Lords paid their respects to the
venerable ex-Premier, who, we are happy to say, looked in
exceedingly good health.

DUBLIN ELECTION.

(THIS DAY.)

(Continued from our First Edition.)
The vote of James Quigley was objected to by the peti-
tioners, as coming within the class decided by the resolution
of the Committee.
Mr. A usTEN denied this, whereupon the Learned Gentle-
man raised an ingenious argument on the extent to which the
doctrine of presumptive evidence could be pushed ; and the
Committee having deliberated, came to the following resolu-
tion :—" That no sufficient evidence has been adduced to con-
nect James Quigley with the house alleged by Johnston to
have been in arrears, and that, therefore, the vote must be al-
lowed."

.........
The Committee then adjourned till eleven o'clock to-morrow.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
110 USE OF COMMONS, APRIL 13.

Sir ROBERT PE EL said that he had a very strong
opinion, that. another year would pass before a satisfactory
plan was adopted. If the objection urged by the Honour-
able Member for Middlesex were a valid one, it would
equally apply to all plans that could be proposed, for although
the House were to abolish the Corn Laws at present, who was
to say how long it might be before some protecting duty was
again imposed. That was the third proposition, and if the Noble
Lord made any great alteration, it would be the fourth which
had been before the House. He did not blame any one, for
the matter was full of the greatest difficulties. The great
fault was that the House had taken up the matter without the
preliminary information which was necessary. Though tithes
were by law the same all over the country, still, by local cus-
toms, they were very different in different parts of the country.
It would differently apply to several parts of the country in
England and Wales, in respect to the matter about which
they proposed to legislate. In every other subject on which
they legislated successfully, they succeeded by minute local
inquiry into the matter previously—there was no pre-
vious inquiry with respect to tithes.—( Hear, hear,
and loud cheers.) His (Sir Robert Peel's) plan, in the
discussion of which there should be no party feeling, was that
while they promoted the voluntary composition, they might be
enabled to make enquiries as to the different practices existing.
He did not think it ought to be satisfactory to the Government
to say that having brought in their measure they had discharged
their duty—the object ought to be to effect a satisfactory and a
permanent composition. If the plan which he proposed were
a
followed, the Commissioners would be appointed, not alone to
encourage a voluntary commutation, but to collect evidence as
to the different usages and customs existing on this subject.
They would thus combine the voluntary principle with the at-
tempt to procure that information which, he would say, was
indispensable to success. Let the Commissioners to be ap-
pointed proceed upon the principle of the Bill introduced_ by
illation in different
commutation, and
lheitmtilittesmt ya, et atrh
efos ramper otmi
moeti ng the
collect
e\l-fielruynitnarfoyr
parts cif the country as to the different usages existing. There