The Sun.
London, England, 1809-06-14 00:00:00

HOUSE OF PEERS.

I '•• TUESDAY, JUNE 13. •
The further consideration of the claims in the
Strafford Peerage was deferred till next Session.
The LORD• CHANCELLOR gave notice, that he
should, to-morrow or next day, submit some propo-
sitions to the -House respelling the claims to the
Roxburgh -Peerage.
Severkd Bills were
.brought up from the Corn-
mons,; among others, the Bill fur preventing the
'sale of seats ire Parliament.' .

The Bill was read a first time: and on the mo-
tion of Lord LIVERPOOL, it was ordered to be print-
ed, with an intimation, that the Bill be read a second
time' to-morrow, for which. day their Lordships
were summoned.

Mr. R. Jackson was beard against the, Woollen
Rill ; atter which the Bill-was read a tliirthirne and
parsed. _

, SALE OF OFFICES.
On the motion for the third reading of the Bill 'to
preveut the Sale of Offices, &c.
The Earl Of GabsvExott opposed the Bill. His.
chief ObjeEtions to. the Bill were to the exceptions it.
admitted in allowing the sale of commissions and
offices, such :those of the Band of Gentlemen
Pensioners. The;iale of law offices, and also the
sale of
,commissions In the army; which he 'consi-
dered as a very great evil, which the present Bill,
by a kind of side wind,' wa's calculated to sinetion
and establish.

The Lori) CnANCELtd/t defended the principle
of the Bill, and considered the obje4tions or the
Noble Lord as. of no cdnsiderabie weight, 'The
Band of Gentlemen Pensioners were of very ancient
standing, originally intended to add to the dignity of
the Crown; nor was there any improper induence
conneeted with such &ices. As to the'otfices at
the disposal of the Court of, Chancery, they aid°
Weredispesed of in this manner fdt- a great length of
time';. 'nor were any evil censecluetrces observed to
result froM the sale of gthent. It was a pridice
which was 'endured by such men as Lord Northing-
ton, Lord Cowpt.-r, Lord Hardwicke,, Lord Thor-
low, &c. men who`fleeted honour on the high
situation whiCh they !tad. go eminently filled, and
who certainly would not 11 'have connived at such.
praetice if, it was found 'to 'he attended with mis-
chievous effeets. As to the sale *of todupiSsitMs in
the army, he 'thought it a thing to be wished for
_rather than
,deprecated ; for. it tended to cOnnea
then of respectability with the areny, and afforded a
pledge of, their attache ent to the interests and liber-
'ties of their country.
Lord REbBSDALK perfeelly coincided in the senti-
ments of his Noble and Learned Friend, and con-
telided that the sale of eominissions, under proper
regulations, was rather beneficial to.the army than
prejudicial. It prevented adVenturers from en-
grossing 'commissions, and ensured to the army men
of rank, respeotability, and consideration'.
.After a few words, in explanation, from Lord
0110SVENOW, the Bttl vvetz read. a third • time, and
taiso,l.

MANCHESTER WATER.WOAKS,
Lord ily.snottouort reported frotzt,the Committee
to whOni this Bill was again referred, and concluded
with movitig, that the btandiug Orders of the House
be stiipended with respect to it.
TI motion Was warmly.. opposed by the Lord
'Chancellor, Lard Ellenborough, Lord Redesdale,
Lord Wilton, Stc. tkc. • Supported by Lord Hard-
wiclve, Lord gesborough, and other Noble Lords ;
after which a division took place—
C9ntetit - . t 9
Non-Cootenti - . - - 10

Majority - - 9
Or She third ieadirift, the same objections 'were
ie-stated aguinsit the 'Bill, but it r2ad a this'd
time acid
The House went iot' a' Come itik on the Bank-
.r•upta' Bilf, when several clauees were proposed and
added to the Bill by the Lord Chancellor and Lord
Redei dale. Tim report wa ordered to be received
toquorrow.,--Adjournedm nine o'clock.

HOUSIE OP COMMONS.
TUESDAY, JUNE 13,
A Nitigage. (rain the Lords annecnced their Lord•
ships' assent tol'the Seamen's Wages, Irish An6tion
buttes, and the Blacktriaro' Sunday
04 the motion tit Mr, NVILBERPORCE. the Order
of the 1)1 for taking. into further consideration the
keport of the Charitable Donations-Bill was read.

fter. smite rent:trhy fvoin Mr. NVII.BRFORC2 2nd
Mr. lioatg,att, the House went into a Committee on
this Bill,—The report to be reeeivedto-morrow.
Lord IlitstlitNO brought np the feiort on the Judges
Salaries Bill, which was agreed to, and the MI or-
dered to be read a third tithe to-morrow.

Lord BIN N iNG also brought up the report on the
Scotch Judicature Bill, which Was agreed to; and,
after some observations from Mr. Horner, Mr. Dun-
-4,14 Mr. Abercrombie, and the Chammilor of the
Ekchequer, the Bill was read a third time and
passed.
Ntr. LrrTLEToN presented a petition from Na=
thaniel Jekyll, iktte Captain of the .13( toot, ptaking
that the House would take into Consideration the
.censure passed opon him by a court Martial in •
1804, and his consequent dismissal 'ficini the ser
vice, contrary to the Usage of the army, and grant
him such relief as to them might settn fit. The
•ground of Complaint Watt, that having brought Col.
Stewart to a Court Mattisl on charges deemed fit-
volpus, he,had been dismissed, and refused a .Court
on his own conduCt.

Mr. RYDP.II opposed ,the receiving of this Peti.
iion, and after a remark tin the nature of the Peti-
tion from the ,Speaker, that as complaining of -the
dry fa& of a competent tribunal having pronounced
a certain judgment, and not of any undue stretch of
power, it was a, matter for the House to consider,
whether they would encourage an appeal froth such.
a tribunal, arid take the decision of such cases into
their own hands.
Mr. ABRUCROMBIE had been Counsel for Colonel
Stewart on the Court Martial before which he was
tried on the chargei alleged by Captain Jekyll,
Which endcd in passing this censure on the Peti-
tiOner, and finM his recolledion of the case he was
of opinion., that the Petition was of 'a nature not to
received. •

Mr. LYTTLETON wished the Peth ion to be brought
tlps and .ippotted the claims of tue:rcittitotici.
that indulgent:u.

,to his argutnetitS,, and ALtpught the Petition inad.

•
HENMY Nil"- and Colonel DILLON also
51-4*.-. against .xeceiving. the Pet i t

Sci S..Rosiflaa, a; the Petition complained of a
.wrong, .and.the present question was not whether it
should be discussed, but merely.that it should he re-
cei,ved, expressed; his opinion with; great diffidence,.
that the Huse ought at least to heft,- what any per-
son had to say "oo the subjed of any grievance of
which they complained. .„.
"Cie SECRIITART at WAR bad the same oblation
to the Petition 'being received that be would. have 4o
any other stage of its progress.'
.. The House was air
ready perfealy Possessed .of the subjett agitated in
the Petition, and there could be as little hesitation in
deciding on the tirstAtep As on the last, and at once
rejeaing it. •
After some fikrther remarks from Gen. PnipPs
and Mr. Li-rri.sroN, the qu,i.stion. was put, and the
House determined that the 'Petition should not be
received.
PUBLIC EXPENpiIuRE.‘ • • . _

. .
Mr. WARI)LR gave notice tor Monday .of R mo-
tion for. a- Return spewing the amount of tlie An-
nual National Eipenditure., This motion was con-
Wiled with what bad formerly passed on the sub.;
jet of introducing greater ectilionly in the manage-
ment of public business, by which, as be had tie-
quently stated, it was his that tt ,000,0001.
might annually be saved.

PROPERTY Or FOREIGNERS IN TIit.FUNDS.
Mr. HOWORIII, in consequence of his notice,
rode to call the attention of the House to this sub-
jeet. It was a question that would bear some dis-.
cussion, whether it was politic to allow Foreigners
to purchase Sfodtt at. all in our Funds ; but in his
opinion there could be little hesitation in deciding,
that if they were, allowed to purchase, they ought to
be liable to the same taxes which were imposed on
British sabje6ts. • Re considered the contrary policy
as very inimical te'the revenue, as wall as the.com-
mercial interests of this'country, To the first, a tax
productive of from 60 to 70,0001. a year was lost;
and the latter was injured by the paytnent of all the
interest of that stock in specie, instead of the menu-
factures of the country. For whom were we sub-
jeding ourselves to these inconveniences ? For per-
sons spending their money abroad in the territories
of our enemies: It was indeed taxing this ;country
to the amonnt of 70,0001. per annum tbr the service
of these enemies. He then noticed the difference
between Aliens residing in this country, who paid
the tafq and foreigners residing abroad, who were
exempted; and contended that this distinClion was
improper. It was said that we ought not to destroy
the confidence of foreigner's; he did not believe
imposing this tax. would destroy that confidence,.
particularly as the objeefof his present motion was
not to come to an immediate decision, but merely
to resolve, that Parliament would hereafter take the
mutter into conitideratiert. He concluded by move
ing a Resolution, that the lionse should, early in
next Session, take into consideration the expetheney
of d:seoreinuing, from the 6th April, pito, the,
Clause in the 46th cietews. 111. reseeding the.ex-,
emptions granted to Foreigners having bona ,fitle
property in the English Funds, and net residing in
this country.
Mr. 13Att:NrG was, decidedly, of opinion, that an
operation of the *And in view by the Hee. Gentle-
man who iiiirteleced this subject, would nut be be-
neficial to this country. It wunid be a violation of
the national faith, .And imposing a tax on persons
not liable to be taxed, and not tangible,,:but from
the eircenigteece of having, at a former period, lent
their Money to the British Government. The ques-
tion was. one of good faith, atici.in this point' of view
00,0001.. a year, was not to be considered.
Sir T. TUTVRON supported the (notion.
Mr. D. Gznnx opposed the proposition. Poreign-
ers had invested their property in our fends, on the
understending that they were never to be taxed ; and
as our faith was pledged to this, we could neither
on principles of honey or justice depart from the
pledge.
M. Ik7LLaR, considering, how much we were
presaid for taxes, could not see why foreigners,
whose property was protected in this, the only safe
country in the world, at a vast eXpence for fleets and
armies, ShOuld not contribute their proportion of
the expence of maintaining them. Foreigners inthis
.country paid the tax, and so shoold those otat'of it.
...He had seeu a gooddeal in thereers about singers
getting vast stuns of money from the public, bin he
could not think this a. grievance like the other., If
they could raise datlOit a year on our curiosity and
ear for tijasic—let thernwarble en: •
Mr. HAWKIN3 BROW: Ni; COllfilOeTed its t;tmposing
this tax would be a breach of, public faith, and that
even taxing thote who should hereafter purellase in
our Funds would be impOlitie and unwise, He
could only eousider For4igneri as liable to personal
taxation.
.
Mr. BARING
The CHANCELLOR of the Exc !Im/TM felt himself•
bound to qeuie the Motion. Such a Resolution
e 4 teas now moved, to nodes take a future considera-
nee of the subjeCt, would not he nindiog on the
Houie, or a sufficient warning to, the Stockholder,
end therefore it_e could sec no netessity for rioeti en-
tertdioing t. • W believer this question 'ca to be dile-
cusied, it woeld not be on the point of convenieticy
to the Revenne; but of justice, Vs In u the sablect
Was forMerlY agitated, the ditlieulty that occurred'
him was, what distinClion 'ought. to be drawn be-
tween the British subject and the Foreigner, end he
could not. see why the latter ought to be exempted,
from bearing a part of the public burden with the
former. :The pledge of Parliament had been mis-
understood. It was that the funded property, which
was most easily come at,, should, not be made the
preininent object of taxation, , And not but when it
was taxed in general', with every other species of
.property in the country, he. could see no ground for
intposing it altogether on British subjects. He
would' net, however, enter into the discussion of
the subje& no*. At this late period of the Session,
when it was said the House ought not to be called
• for a decision, he thought it equally inconsistent to
call on them for a pledge, .wiiiett was to bind them
next Session. It was therefore the: impropriety of
the time, which tailed on him to oppose the mo-
non.
Mr. Tzzausr. 'said this queetion :had frequently
been agitated, and always decided in favour of the
tOreigner. The tereigeer would Winks if we mode
I him pay the iocotne tax'mw. we oviy spared laitll

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the rate of five:per cent' it net wth ftr
tuake!blen liable to i s..operation,,t,But noir,
amounted- to per cents! it, vptared to us-art
jeer importance, and I hst ettcuttitance4lti4iltiitited
our pity.. He thought such a changeitt ,our'eottaktok
would operate: to our disacivan: tgen,-,45 !0 ..Refs
did formerly against 4r.-stice.. He did not-think the
foreigner, who had i-beed 116 fortune in!utirnft.ntis;
relying on the good faith ,of die conntry,-.c.)tight.tO
be forced :to pay the inc;utitt tax, or NO', out•ai gie..t
loss; but holm(' noohjectilm to the duty being int.
posed on all future purchascs.
Mr. FULLER explained,: n • •

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• ...Mr. DENT 1110tIghl •toreignenc, in,aeposit:ng their
,motley in Our futios, .consolted their. ov. n iurercst
only, and therefore Ought to be liable to alt.:lacuna*
:tax.. • . - • .. ~ • . . . .. .

Mr. H. THOR NroNl Spoke On the &nue side.
Mr. HOwORTH briefly repited io • h.- Os. rvaliotla
of . the saeral spealar.; and col eluded %;•ith
pressing a wish to withdraw his Mutioti tut lila
present: • • - •

Mr. TIERISTEY and Sir THOMAS TJIV. ON SeVela, y
explained. •
The Motion was withdrawn.

TI EAVY WITEI AMERICA.

ILord H. PETTY rose, pursuant to hi., notice, to
move for certain .papers :relating to the attack on the
Chesapeak, in addition to ttio,,e,Beady on, the r as.
ble. The instruCtions given to Mr. Erhkine on that
subjeet, he thought, ought to b, pradtictil, as Well-
as the communication he roust necessarily has e mad*
' to
,Government,_ eXplaining the mottt es i ht:i !e-
-vent conduat,'lor without them, no judgnitlit could
4 be formed of thedegvee in which he had violated hig,
instructions, er indeed of the ii,etteral conduct of the
• American GOvernment. lt.was rte ee,iary that the
House should be informed of the ithtrudions givert
to Mr. Erskine' on the subjeel of the attack on the
Chesapeak, he would therefore make thAllte
Jra ofa motion. If the might Hon. Ger.iietuan
posite, from information which, he might possess;
but which•he (Lord H. Petty) had not, Nhocilil state
to the House, Mat the instrulaioris given to that
Gentleman could not be made public without d.rtri-i
'Tient to the public service; he would not press. his
motion for the present, but•the communication from
Mr. Erskine, in which he assigned his matives for
,making those arrangements with America, wli;th
had excited so much attention, be thought of audit
importance, that it ought to be immediately laid on
their table. The Noble Lord concluilettby moving
" That there be laid before the House a copy of the i
struiions given to Mr. Erskine on the suhject at• the attack
on the Chesapeak, as also any comtuunication that his Ma-
jesty's Ministers alight be possessed 'of from Mr. lirskinei
explaining his motives for making the latearrangements
America."

Mr. CANNING. thought the reasons he should give
, for not concurring with the Motion, would be satis-
fadory; to the Noble Lord. It had been rumoured
abroad that Mr. Erskine had not departed from his
instructions; he thotight it was prover. to prove to
this; cOuntry, to America, nod to :he Work!, that
such a report'.was not 'founded in fad. r).'he 1,161, .
Whether' the arrangeinents be had 'Made, Niece or
Were not in conformity to the instrud ions he bid re. '
Celved, 'was the point in question How tar (has:
arrangementa might be improved Might. be betel:ter
the iiubjed of t onsicieration. The piiptrs :Already
prodticcd were, he thiaight, Sufficient to si:os;an-
tiate the bet of Mr. ErSkine'S having gone ht-yon,l
Ws. instructions. The litoliriety of giving io-
stru6.:l ions miglit become a politiLai- (1(1e:ohm !tilt
that the arrangements 'he had spade v'icie
rised the instructions he had feceivcd, the d„cu.
ments already before them, be tbottght, completely
established. When the intelligence of the arrange.
merits entered into With America first acne over,
not transmitted' by 'the: Minister ttr Governinertt,
but through the medium, of thetee thetrnricatplupiztt,
and by them immediately laid e
only remained for Ministers to acknowledge a treaty,
the conclusion of Which the Instrudions given by
theM did not 'authorise; or disavow it altogether. It
had accordingly been .stated 'by theM, that it was
not sant-tic:men by the InstruCtions- they, had issued
but nothing liarl'been said with reJpe4 to thecen-
dua of 'Mr. Erskine that i_.'oultl• be avoided while
they did justice to theitiselves. It had been said,
that probably ,Mr. Erskine had received some
verbal assurances from the Atnetican Govermnent
which,' in ,hiti own °pluton, might justify him
in concluding• sncls a treaty. -He did trot know
what 'verbal assurances 'he might have received; but
that verbal 'assurances thoUld be taken in t a ease of
'such importance, he thought, was more than any Go-
vernment could expeft, or than any Ministers would
consent to. 'Of the throe points laid doWn as the,
price of the repeal of our Orders in Ceuntil not one
:
in
pdrodp obsyi t i Monr.
s
had been Obtained by the treaty cPrl
Erskine. Dien the sine q.na non of acre
hadoorbeen gained. With respeCt to E'igland's being
left At liberty to capture American vessels trading to
the ports of her enemies, the accepting that as,acon-
cession was merely courtesy on our part. Whatever
might be the laws of America with respea 'to; the
Belligerent Powers, Great ILrisls t:eiti th)te.rr
right of captoring neutral
ensnares wheit In a slate of blockade, and capture
them she would. The ilistr'udions en to -Mr.
Erskine, with respect to the'' Non-intercourse and
riori-importation itts,s' hid two disilott branches.
It was not enough that those acts ceased to re-
. Main in force* Against England, but it was far-
ther to be stipulated that they should remain in
force against •Franee, and those PoWers who %vete
under her intim:nee: It might .be said, that Great
Britain was put out from the number of those, to
whom those acts were to extend, while ?ranee re-
ivained one of 'them. But it should berememberekt,
this" Non-intercourse and Noriiinportation Acb.•
were but temporary measures. They were to
pirion theeoth of May. Through the treaty, there-
fore, concluded by Mr. Erskine,' we might be tna,le
to pay for the repeal,of .it, by recalling oar Or..lers
in Council,' while France would enjoy the advantages
resulting from it for nothing'' at all. It- was there-
. fere necessary that some pleoge should be given that
those atts would be renewed, and continuer"' in i;;;‘,
against France, otherwise while we paid all the ex-
' -pence our enemies might 'reap hall the benefit.--
For America by the Treaty concluded teal 111;T
bound to continue thUrie acts against France, aNt
perhaps at the present time her ports were as oprli
to the French ns to the English. Was it to t,e
posed his Majesty's Ministers- could n'iree t., with-
' draw those rrolistory.rnemays which they bad been

ompelied to adopt against- France. vb-ith reapeti tre a
1.-eer.ca, itetvieg her putts. alike•opeu-to,botlethe
Beliiatirent Powers ? When'our oftiel repeated lefet
of reparatioe for the attack Oil the Cheaapealy was-
Cit. made; Mr; Itose-tvan only iiistrutil, to procure
tlie'recall of the prochiniation ititrdit•tiog bur ahip
knit t r ea.,vers. I:',Vvry 110,.A.r when aegrieved had
rielo to reveuge the injuries it might have received, or
teeexpeva auatonement tiotu the otteutlitig party ;•.het
it• could not possess a right to both. ..lt an mane,-
ment were expeeted, revenge was not tobte attempt-
ed, and if revenge' were attempted,' an atonement..
could not be expetkleci. America thought proper to •
' reveoge:heraelf. Our ships were interdided from
1);,-e .k...iters, while those of. France were allowed an
acyhain in her harbours. This resolution on the
parr of !America made a great difference between the
Belligerent Powers, as it gave France a great advan.
' lige which Great Britain was denied. .When the
ititerdidiOn Was extended to both, had a dispoaitionto •
cavil existed on our-side, we rnight-hayelound even
tote) cause. for cOmplaint, as Whilethey interdicted
Our enemies, they excluded us also. But this the
Enelish Geveroment-Was far from doing ;.our offer_
replration was th,en again renewed: That Pro-
clainatien had never been- properly recalled, it had
only been merged in the " Noe-intercourae and
Non in►ttort,ttir~t► At.ise," and thuS put the two Bel-
' lieerents, Eneland and trance, on a looting of equa-;
lity. The Nero-intercourse and Noneimportatton
.Avis heing, as he before stated; but a temporary mea-
sure, and expiring On the 20th of May, agreeing te
the treaty mad- by Mr. Erskitte,• should have
paid the pike of our Ottlers in Conneil for having
about six week's' i lit advantage of France, in being ad-
mitted lb enter the harbours of America exclusively;
at the expire-doe of that time we mighthave been exa
eluded, and France permitted to have the advantage
over as in her turn. Could it be thought that Govern-
ment ought to_ have Confirmed such Treaty as this ?
Could they have' been jusiitted had they been con-
tent to lease waited six weeks to learn'the effeet ?.
Surely it could 'nee be thought of. Had:Mr. Erskine
transmitted to Ministers the Treaty: before be con-
cluded it, their disapprobation of-such an arrange.
-mem would have been immediately expressed, and
tl:ere never would-Aye been 'a question of aucti a '
nature. before the House. Mr. Erskine.; would •
have been instruaed to have -set it right, as he '
• .avas sure no disposition existed on the part of Govern- •
meta 'to take it out of his hands. But the treaty
ebeing conclUtled as it was, they had only to adopt it,
' or not to adopt it ; and not adopting 'it, they were
bound to prove, that it had been concluded contra-
ry to the instructions they had given.. Thus situated
they'.w ere Compelled to make the disclosuae which
.' had beets male, but to go'..larther, to communicate,
every otcomatanceai present might tend to etnbar-
rays and Mar the neeotiatiOns still pending' between
i.theltwe countries, ;filch be Still cherished d hope
would be finally terminated to the tatisfaCtion of
' , both parries. Mr.trskine ‘k as instructed to obtain
a ,ccititititethce. of die" interdiction of comnierce,
not only with .1 epeat to Feaoce,- but to every Power
depandeot on .her with ever imagined that' any
tape would have been extravagant enough to pretend
to bieey Holland as not under the influence 'Of
France ? eoole coosldered as -
entitled tO :.,1) tIVO C;oppO,.itt: ad.
mi4itienia as t depongent on France, she 03ulit share
the' fate 4.1 Fleece. ; and if intit pendent, she was the
more otietislie to Eegland, as voluntarily espousing
k the cause of diet' enemy. Mr. Erskioe,. on signing,
'night have teen 'led into an error by seam'
assurance as to France, but .not so with respeCt to
'4-1011itrid, as he must have known that she had been
explaipted titan the "Non-intercoerae" Aal. • It ruielit
headel, that, lit exeeded Holland would' be placed Ott
the same footing as Fraece. But this, if tftle; would
he 'Strange' indeed, when the neutrality of Holland
• • i.ad been dielinetly recognised, while that of Italy
• .(Italy, whose crown was On Alto . head Of Botta-
Tole) eVas only deueted. 'Mr. ''Erskine 'was in-
strocted to require, not ()Lily that the Non-iriterconrse
aci stwuld be repeeded, but that Vuglanti should have
toe oeuefit of a partial r,p;fal. ifsuch 'N.vet't fuc•
times given, he would ask the Noble ',ord it they
had been fbltilledetVhen, thouelt, he had gone to the •
fall eiteut of the coneekitlon Ws be aS authorised to
ti-eke, he riad not. gaitied'eVen one of the conditions
lie was nista tined to obtain, as 'would appear on a
perusal of the pliers before the 'HOLM?. those
<IA nut clrty convictron of the 'fact:, nothing he
c- -old le hig iurtie aft d would. For reasons already
s,atcd, he stiotild decline clearing at present farther •
ine, the at6ect. Belthe be" resumed his seat he
miet, heialet er, state, 'that' lie did not eerionally.
h —ow Mr. Etsl:ite; he' never entertained any pre-
eteke agjetest that Geotletuaii ;- hut with respeet to
eotainel on receiving nf,te from flit. Ainciican
erctary of Statt,, lie t lionght tt in et:mrt-able. Ile
oi:tette.: te jefee returned it LitliinsV,eto I, '
eed at once to the cerrespoudeteae oft teeeiving.suelp
a ictraordinary comteenicatiee. •
Notata would not have riser); had- not the
Big ! Gentle pant stated that it had been ma
mou out of deors; Frskine had not ex- •
eeede his instructions. 'He did not think such
r'itino could originate with the relations of 'that
treat „•inatei'noe did he believe that Mr. Erakiate had•
writt ti a line to them on the ~bl 4. He would not'
then enter into a defence or his retojon, as he was
ct tai t tele he would rather sutler eny thing, ' than
have tie word utteredln heitaif that might be de-
triune e. 1 te Ore piablic'service.. • •
Mr. CANNING did notlndke the assertion front his
kt,„wk,t,.,,. A. 6 fio'n. tiad
. ,
-when 'waling a motion the f;ubject, That such
rttmours had eotie altroade
Noattrs said, he was 'net ~itt the House when
that 'motion Was made. • e
M ARICY Are defended Ministers, and ohjthed
t., toe erodeetiort o' "the Cetemenieation from Mr.
Erstsine at present as it the pleadings were heard
on one side, they ought 'also to he heard on the
other, to eatable them ao judge of the case-from the
faeta that came mat. • ' : "%.
•-. e Mr. Battia'e, in. a
A Speech of some length-, ale-
ed' the conduct of the American Government,
Wki, Spoke in favour of NT. Epkine.
Mt. STEVU,NS replied to tha arguments of the last
Seee;e..r, and dreended'Minisaa-s. The Hf n. Merii•-
. old not tiled.: that discussions 'on this 'stihjet'i
%la's Hooae were likely to promote cenciliaCon on
the. part of the country in question. 1101.11(1