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perfect consistency with the Government, of which he
formed a part.—(A laugh.) lie had no o‘jection to the
Noble Lonl's motion.

Mr. SLANEY trusted that the House and the country
would mark the spirit-in which this opposition was made
by the Hon. Members for Al.lborough, fur Boroughbridge,
and for Newat k, to the productions of returns calculated
to elucidate the Bill of the Noble Lord, which, be it ob-
served, was not yet brought into Parliament.—(Cheers. )
From the tone and temper which those Him. Members
and their friends had exhibited on this occasion, the
House might judge of the feelings by which they were
actuated.—(Loud cries of " No," from the Oeposition,and
cheers from the Ministerial Benches.)—They were th-
jecting to the production of information—(C' eers)-Ito
the production: of intelligence—(Cheers)—and why ?
Because they feared the light.—(lmmense cheet ing.)—He
hoped that the country would watch closely the manner in
which these gentlemen conduckd their opposition to this
,Bill hereafter.—(Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. CI oker, Mr. Sadler, 11Ir..
JohnCrunplsell, and Sir 11. Herdinge, . .
Sir M. W. RIDLEY wished to call the attention of the
House to the question from which it hail wandered. After
stating what that question was, he °loused that if Hon.
Gentlemen had looked to the votes of yesterday morning,
they would have found that the returns as to the populaion
of eafidalsjty and borough in England and Scotland 09w re-
turning Members to Parliament, as.al of each city and
bOrough net now returning 111.embers,..,and of each county
in England and Scotland, had been 11,id upOn the table,
and been ordered to be printed.--(Hrar, hear.) If then
Hon. Gentlemen, having waited till they: were printed,
should
„find that they did not contain all the information
megsift *thei.viantefl, they had only to move for such
returns ens their wanted, and Government, helm! no doubt,
itiuld'Uott:eruse to grant them.—(Hear, hear.) He en -
.tiSef' the House not to join any louger,in so desultory
.)t Onveriatiott, which could not lead to any practical re-
flfi-lv,hich might be concluded at once by reference to
Elie papers then on the table.
After a few words froM Mr. PancevAr,
' An Hole. 111i3ruEe (name unknown) said, that he
would appeal to the recollection of the House, and would
ask Hon. Members whether the Hon. and Learned Mem.-
ber for Boroughbridge had not risen to object to the pro•
duction of tile information which these returns would
give.--(Hear, hear.)—What else was to be understood by
his sneer at th's return as a return which was to produce
posthumous information? Ministers, he was sure, were
ready to give the Hon. Gentlemen opposite every informa-
tion they might require ; fir they were willing that the
merits of their measure should b.! fully understood and
fairly tried by the country.—(Hear.)—lt was therefore a
little too bad that the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, who
knem that a measure of Parliamentary Reform was in agi-
tation, and had not asked for any information to explain
the extent of our unrepresented, population previously to
its being proposed to the House, should now come forward
to complain that information bad been refused to them for
which they had never asked.—(Cheers from the Ministerial
benches.)

Mr. 110B110USE could not help calling the attention
of the House to au obiter dictum .of the late Right Hon.
Secretary for Ireland, who had denounced this Bill as in-
troducing into the Constitution revolueommary changes.—
(Cries of " Hear" from the Ministerial; echoed by the Op-
position Benches.) Though tbe Right Hon. Gentleman
ought think that the Bill had a tendency to produce such
changes, unless he was prepared to prove that the changes
were revolutionary, he had employed a phrase which ought
not to have Item usal agairtst a measure which was sup-
ported by more than half the Aristocracy and the whole of
the people in this empire.—(Hear.) He thought that more
cautious terms ought to have been employed by a gentle-
man who enjoyed so much of the personal respect and esteem
of the House on account of his high character, than the
terms which he had just used.—(Hear. ) L coming
front him, produced an effect, wtich it would not produce
coming from an ordinary person, for every one knew that
the aentimeuta which the Right Hon. Gentleman ex-
pressed he also felt.— (Cheers.) He was surprised that
the Right Hon. Gentleman abotild have used language
which in his cooler moments he must condemn.—( Hear.)
Sir HENRY HARDINGE said, that after the personal
allusion made to him by time Hon. Member for Westminster,
for his use of the term revolutionary changes, lie trusted
that the House would hear with him for a few minutes.
He would now deliberately repeat, that this measure, in
its tendency, was most revolutionary..—( Loud cheers from
the Opposition), and he would further
.add, that when it
suited his own convenit nee, and it plemed the House to
listen to him, he should be prepared with proof to make
good his assertion that it was most 'revolutionary.—
(Cheers from time Opposition.) " I say," continued the
gallant Member, " that it is calculated to pull the crown
off the King's head.—(Cheers from the Opposition, and
cries of " Hear," Trim,* r, " and laughter from the Ministe-
rial benches)..—and Ido hope that, if leave should be given
to introduce this Bill, the NO* Lord will, before we come
to the second reading of it, imitroduce a clause by which
the Hoitse m4f Lords may be passed by, in order that they
may not irritate the country by time rejaction of it."
Sir GEORGE WARRENDER objected' to this mea-
sure as much as any man, hut thought that all intem-
perate language should be avoided in opposing it.—(Cries
of " Hear" from the Ministeti II benches.) Intempe-
rance of language would not produce in the public mind
that resistance to this measure which he still hoped to
see generated against it.
The question was then put, when
Mr.DUNCOMBE (Yorkshire) rose to move an amend-.
merit, when the Speaker told him, that as be had already
spoken, he was not competent to do so.
Mr. BARING ramie to move an amendment, of which
the substance was for similar returns of population, &e.,
of all boroughs containing more than 5,000 inhabitant,.
Sir C. WETHERELL seconded the amendment, be-
sYaiodrktshitititrelmewsi
cause he wished to promote every means for gaMing infor-
sl
eutiltit on haveov fur the
infor-
mation on this important subject.
substituted in the amendment, instead of 5;000.
Mr. D
of returns of each of the boroughs in the
southern parts of Scotland.
Lord JOHN RUSELL said, that if such a inotioo
proAdlur.ctiCion.
UDNOCO:GIBLAES(
were made, no objection would he offered to it on his side
of the House; As to the amendment moved by the Hon.
Member for Taunton, the information which it called for
was already before the House. If he wished to have it
in the same
paper with the returns for which he (Lord J.
yt. bad
to that also there would he no objection,
r i
HARDINGE said, that he hoed that
he
Noble Lord Woold have no objecting to state the. pa-
tiE moved,R N y
pulation of the different boroughs to which the elective
fi.augbise *Was to he transfared, and time population of
th°rael I.VA If any, which exceeded them.
N RUSSELL said that if the Gallant Officer
amnia bring down his motion in writing—for at present
hedid not perfectly understand it—he had no doubt that
there would be no objection to it.
Mr. K. DOUGLAS berared ;o t;move as an amendment
a similar return respecting
all boroughs °Scotland,"
Mr. KENNEDY did not rise to oppose time amendment,l
but lie thought it would be necessary to alter the words 9(
it. In Scotland time word " borough" ciaea Otilaral
small part. of the town` and would frequetitly include only
one-third of the population of the town.
Mlll\lo'44l that that observation was equally
applicable
tci many English boroughs, and he trusted tat
fi
rile sfr
cbe much more profitably employed
Nafile Lord woultrnot overlool that "fact t
satordtag
„.•
,•. •
his motion.
nor. S. WW-tTLEY mat suggest to Hon. Members
the propriety of their taking the trouble to put their mo-
tions into writing. The time of the House, especially at
this moment,
0 F
B'
than in discussing in what terms rettiaaat,: light tai die
made out.—(llear, hear.)
Mr. K. D.•
might
LAS would alter his amendment thus :
cc And a reiwn respecting all Royal burghs ig
Scotland."
TheRE FmootuilN
motion,
las :punAeridLeidA,
AwiaENtlTleLppAut
j:ovn
and agreed : to.
DEBATE.
The circle! of the d my' fur 'resuming the debate on this
subject having been read,
Mr- G. BANKES addressed time House. He could not
hell) observing to what: a singular situation the Govern-
ment had reduced themselves, the House, and the country,
by the inviolable secrecy which they had so unaccount-
ably thoughtn it their duty to observe with regard to this
measure. If the measure were so popular as they as-
serted it to be, wherein could have consisted the necessity
of this inviolable secrecy ? If the measure were so popular,

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what had they seen to fear ? What danger did they ex-
pect to avoid, what object did they propose to attain, whaat
advantage did they hope to gain, that they had had re.
c rurse to this unusual contrivance of secrecy? After two
ndrae:s'u'rlietell'ienfoirte.h.aerdNtileb
tl.eailLfro natd'who had introduced tbs.
by dearly demonstrating that etherbe had
inn,fiarrienvmetniosrp,rotllmiedeea,..l
himself with those materials which were to guide the
judgment of the House. In doing this, the Noble Lord
h he thought, behaved rather ungratefully to the Noble
Lord the Member for Aylesbury (Lord Nugent.) The
Noble Lord, the Member for Aylesbury, :dreier! almost the
only excuse that could be offered for the demand for this
information, by saying that the able speech of the Hon.
and Learned Member for Boroughbridge had touched upon
points which required an answer, and that the returns
now moved for were to be part of that answer. But
" No," said the Noble Lord, the Member for Tavistock
(Lord J. Russe 1), that's a mistake; my Noble Friend
is wrong:—
. Non tali auxilio, non defensoribus istis.'
I do not calf for the returns for any such purpose, but
for another purpose ; and I did not ask for them before, be-
cause, if I hid, I should have let out part of my secret."
Now thia he must say, struck him as bring a little
ungratecul, and he thought that the Noble Lord,
the Member for. Aylesbury, would- he Careful how be
again lent a I.elping hind to friend in a serape._
The Noble Lard .(the Member for TavitStnek) had salt',
I know dirt neither you nor I had the necessary
information ; but then it was necessary that we should
keep our secret." Their secret ! What, he word I ask,
did the people care about tbeir secret? —(" Hear, hear,"
and laughter from the Ministerial benche..)--A Right
Hon. Friend of hit, on the other side of the House,
had attempted another excuse for deo Noble Lord
in this matter; but hele again mark the in;ratitude of
human nature. a His Right Hon. Friend had said, " Per-
haps the Noble Lord had not been long acquainted with
the nature of this plan of Rerorin ;" but the Noble Lord,
scorning to accept -assistance either from friend or foe,
replied,'" That's not the race; I have been acquainted
with the plan ever since January last." Now the House
had not objected to grant these returns; but the com-
plaint—not a very unreasonable one—was that the Noble
Lord hail called for them too late, so late indeed that the
discussion'of the measure Must be very fir proceeded with
before they could he procured. He repeated that this wrs
not a very unreasonable complaint, and he did, theref' re,
think it very hard that they shorild have been taunted by
the First Lard of the Admiralty in language which meant
neither more nor lest than they were irrational and absurd
for complaining of want of such inform ition as was ne-
cessary to facilitate their understanding a measure which
had taken the House and the country by surprise, and
which bad been intended to take them by surprise.
With the exception of- the speeches of the two Noble
Lords opposite, they had heard no speech in support of
this measure, the basis and the argument of which bad
not been intimidation. Now, although he wars one of the
proscribed Members under this uneompromisait% pleb, still
he felt that he should be no better than a coward if be.
were deterred from the expression of his opinions by
menaces like these. The speech of the Lesrned Attorney-
General, who, rising at so late an hour, was net listene I
to with that attention which his eloquence ought always
to command, was, he must say, as nothing when com-
pared with the able and excellent speech of the Hon.
Learned Member for Buroughbridge.—(Clacera from
the Opposition, and cries of " Hear" and laughter from
the Ministerial henchea.)—The Learned Attorney-Gene-
ral professed that he felt himself called upon to answer ti e
vigorous and manly speech of the Hon. and Learned
Member for Boroughbridge ; but making every allowance
for the confusion which prevailed in the House during.
parts of the Attorney-General's speech, still, in his opinion;
that speech had been no answer to the speech which it
professed to answer. B 'fore he noticed the arguments of
the Attorney-General, be would, with the permission of
the House, glance at those of the Hon. Member, fur Mid-
dlesex (Mr. Hume) and for Preston (Mr. Hunt). The
Hon. Member* fur Middlesex had said that he was a pro-
fessed and uncompromising radical Reformer (" Hear,'
from Mr. Hunre)—and tfas, as such; he hailed and received
this measure in his own name, and in that of other radical
Reformers, who either were or ought to be satisfied with
it, as a measure which had gout- far beyond the expectations
of all of them. But the Hon. Member for Middlesex hail,
in another part of his speech, clearly indicated that he was
satisfied with this measure only for the present, and that
he thought Reform ought to be carried further. He
thought that the Hon. Member for Middlesex would not
repudiate his (Mr. G. Bankes's) paraphrase of the Hon.
Member's expressions, when he said that the Hon. Mem-
ber had given them to underatand that he looked upon the
proposed measure, that he received it, as a first instalment,
or payment on account. The Hon. Member for Preston,
tam, was astonished at the measure : it had gone far beyond
his expectations too, though he also was a radical reformer.
Between Members of all parties and sects there would
always be some difference, and between the Hon. Member
for Middlesex and the Hon. Member fir Preston, though
both radical reformer., he thought he SAW the difference
between the aristocracy and the democracy of radicalisrti.
Thus the Hsu. Member for Preston had said, " I don't
approve of the measure: oh, no ! I can't go quite so far
as that ; bust, considering that it comes from Ministers of
the Crown, I do confess that it is a very astoa,ishitre mea-
sure, and far surpassing all my taapectations."—(Hear,
hear, -and laughter.) The Hon. Member for Preston had
said, that he haul always been used to speak out, ar.d cer-
tainly, to do the Hon. Member justice, he did not depart
from this custom last night: The Hon. Member had told
them, that as to such a measure of Reform, without other
measures, stopping bloodshed and 'revolution, it Would do
no such thing; and, therefore, observed the Hon. Mem-
ber for Preston to the Hon. Member for Caine (Mr. Ma-
caulay), "Your speech is nothing to me." Now, he must
be allowed to say that; in choosing between the opinion of
the Hon. 'Member for Preston, he preferred the latter ;.
because the Hon. Member fur Preston had mixed Ma;
with a certain class of the people. Dependigg, therefore,
upon time authority of the Hon. Member for Preston, he
begged to congratulate =la Hon. Members, and to re-
mind others that they were not now legislating upon this
subject with bludgeons and knives at their throats. This
the Hon. Member for Preston had admitted. Now,
although some of the Right Hon. qou.t4.inen opposite
might not have departed tromp Oleic forme; opinions, yet
the opinion of others of theinlaad undergone ao 'row kable
a change on. the eubject of Be(orm, that it Farmed impas-
sible that that alien& eagld hate 'Won prodused by any
tiring shoat of the fear of imminent and impending danger.
It was a comisulation, therefore, to hear froin the lion.
Member for Preston, that they had time fsr deliberatiosa,
—it was a consolation to receive front hits, wUo oalled
himself the member for the people,. maavareaneta that the
danger was not so imrahnsral it was 17 years ago.
There was vetir-ar i;ower which hard been alluied to,
a powar" which, he admitted, was a very formidable
one, and which he admitted also to be a weapon hat the
hands of Reformers, which was gainint• fs.rc;.s and impor-
taust:S vyrry day,—he meant the aeasier of the Press. He
was aware that there vtaa pct avoiding that power ; he was
*Wire that foa whale'Ver they said or did, even in ttae. nAaet
peivilegair places, the.), Were all, from the IrlOmes; tas
lowest, amenable to that trememaea vey.saa Att. did not
complain of that powtaa i e asiviowleilied it a and all that
he would
.Osarjr.44 ;•o)elitio‘l ta it was, that he would
not airceut telt 134.1*. teauseience told him ha ought
a aa
to resist
ir3 , that lie would abandon to its dictationa
those opinions which his duty taught hills to Ohara. `sos---a.
(Hear.) Tremendous as that power vaa.,-Wide and
fearful as he acknowledged its !Aueiiiee to be,—still he
would not shrink frowtatexpreasion of his opinions through
the fear of it.--s(He;rr,) Reverting to the meusure tm,aalar
allow him to observe, that it 4asi only been
introduced under the extraordinary c4curnStanees to which
he had already alluded, 44mie that it had been accompanied
also by an .the, egoallY. Octraordinary. In a manner Ow
nett unconstitutional they had been told that the measpre
had been-introduced with the sataceaon of the Sovereign.
The Noble Lord (Ebeiieg;oo symmo had introduced to,„
topic last night, hail been told by the Speaker, not only
that it was improper, but that it was unnecessary, fer that
the Right II Gentlemen opposite being Ministers of the
Crown, and as Ministers of the Crown might be dismissed
at the Royal pleasure, it must be taken far granted that any
measure introduced by them was introduced with the Banc,
tion of the Sovereign.
The SPEAKER—No ; j dui nut say with the " sane-
tion," but with the " cognizance," of time Sovereign.
Mr. G. BANKES continued, Besides his introduc-
tion of the none of the Sovereign, they had been threat-
ened with a dissolution ; fro that, in fact, by coupling-the

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two, this 'plsio 'inference came, ottt.....is The Kingre saes
fusit,yohue
Will dissolve kort" licle'nleatt: to say that it Watt
must pass it; foh he approvets-it ;. and if you
intended to- hold tide lettgonggeOntehe Musa contend that
what they had Wen- told enntilletiV4- in effect 'to nothing
short of it. The -Nolde Lout who• bad laden. called to
order ligt exerts d I. iniself Cu. the greened that a
Minister of the Crown, in another place, had said that the
tmheer dr; but
th
Dli
nister dial not accompany that intimation with the threat
Nhaodhlree(44Lo"atel eh
basenetjt
sanction
ItelalieBlt.itthearteitgl anat;
of a dissolution. He contended that the precedent was it
most unfortunate one foi the present Government to ;WO
troduce a Bill of this IlloseriPtions and then to state thie
consequences which wealthl toothy its .iiiection. The ar-
oumente whioh h art beet' cif ctueilly Zirgell last night by
lei Hon. and Learned Feirnd, the Metoter- Boteugh-
kridge, regarding the taking away of eSrper ate rights, Ind
ifisitel received by the House with ;the attention which
they deserved, and he had not bean! froth the Attorney:
Genera!, who had attempted to answer that Learned Mem-
! her, a single argument against the position whiele his
Learned Friend had taken upon that point. He had not
heard a single precedent, heal or good, produced for this
spoliation of co-mai-ate rialitso except that which had lo;On
mentiened by the Haim Member for Newtc,u, who had
spoken on that side of the House, and who hail alluded
to the taking away oaf the chattels of the corparetionS in
the time of James IL, as the only analogous p ecedent
which our history furnisliol fir such a measure as thi•o
The Learned Attorney•G neral had said, that that was
not a cam in point, but it was not described exactly asa
such. It was speken of in the B 1! of Rights as one of
the greatest abuses, and one of those which had called for
the interventioe of the Leei•letute to save the Coestitution
of the country, by taking the Crowe front the head of en.
unworthy King. The objectien to the proposition ivith.
regard to corporations slid not! lie against the opening of
corporations, but against the taking away one or two'
Members from them. Dial not such a proposition as that
deserve the epithets which had been applied to it, anal wag'
it not truly described when character:zeal as a spoliation'
anal rob' cry? r Tie Leatned Attorney-Gent rail had re-1
ferred to the plan of Reform which had been introeltood
into Parliament by Oliver Cromwell, and had quid th, t
Lard Clio-ender) had given it as li. opinion, that is was,
one which Was well'worthy of imitation by (ether patties.
Now let them taut just see how that plan of Reform had
worked. It wag only two years biome that part of our
Parliamentary debates had Leen rertivitred, and they' had
been since published, giving us an account of what hail'
occurre lin this reformed Parliament of CromWelh 'A'
I woof
uthldemn
ontm
havevatbi,feynaanyveornyegrtatt
itmkee,ir
filonss.
ever
appear ft urn those debates, hail taken place'in' Hair refilentol•
gtPelearitni;usrathat was absurd, anti futile, and ridicu'ous, it would
Par ismeht. As ato r, however, of the merine of this
reformed Pas liatitent; . quote' to the House 1. be
opinion of the parent of the ntezeitire, after he had toted it
by experiment. Hr should' teed a short extract from
the speech of the Protector Cromwell dissolving this
Parliament. Hie wools were as follow ;—" My Lords
and Gentlemen of the House of Commons, I had very
comfortable expectations that God would make the meet-
ing of this Parham, nt w blessing : anti the Loral be my
witness, I desired the carrying on the affairs of the nation
to these ends. Having proceeded upon these terms, and
finding smell a spirit as is too Much PrOomitian", every
thing being- kid- high or tot wh. re a ittite, honesty,'
piety, and juetiae are omitted, I thought I heel been dating
tint which wee my duty, ants thought it would has.
satisfied you ; but it every thing must be too high errors
low, you are not to be satisfied. -Yon have nut only
jointed yourselves, but the whole natjuo, which is in the
likelihood of running into neore coistheiote in these tifteeis -
or sateen days- thee you have eat, than is bath been from
oheirieitsgesf the; last 'SA-ion to this day. And if this- be
Aurendi'of your witting; and if this be your carriage, I
think it high time that an end be put te your sitting, and
I' do dissolve thiia Perliament, anal let God judge between,'
ins and you."-:-(Loud cries of " Hear. hear, from the
Opposition.)—That wits tI4 Patliament which hail been
reformed and fuheinlisel in the plan which had been praised
by the liona'Ghtillernan opposite (the Attorney-General).
Cromwell :had given that Parliament two trials—in tote
first iustartlei Of five menthe, anal in the second of sixteen
days; at'the "end of which he dissolved it, with the speech
froth Which he (Mr. Ilstikes) had read those extracts,
nine Tying the opinion witiA the Protector entertain -1 of at
Parliament which hal been formed upon what had been
rifle& by the Attorney-Geiser:lh " tbc best conservative
:principle." He was ready tat maintain the justice of the
epithet which had been appliel to this measure by the
Gallant Member on his hide of the House, who lied pro-
perly called it a ,s revolutionary" riteastrre :_(hear, Lear.)
He would mime, in-support of that opinion, an authority,
'which he Pressure tepid.' be teceived with respect in that.
House,—he meint the anthority of the late Air. Huslie-
son. He should-read.. to the House an extract from a
speech of that tilde titan, delivered in that Mum in the
course of the lastiSertion of Parliament, and in doing so
lie begged particularly for the attention of the Neble Laird,
the Member for the University of Cambridge, and of tl e
Hon: Member foe Montgomery, In alluding to three ge-
neral anal sweeping measto es of Reform, resettilthug that;
hich had now been brought forward by the Noble I.ord
opposite, Mr. Huskisom delivered his sentiments in th;
following emphatic terms. The Hum Nlembtr proceeded
to quote from Hansard's Parliatitretary Debates lho fol-
lowing passage from a speech delivered by the late Mr.
Huskisson, in the House of Coutroons;ort the 2341 of Fe-
bruary, 18'30 As to a inote extensive Parliament:oo;
Beretein, a meosatre founded upon tie principle of a general
tevision, ieconatriation, and temodelling of our present
Conititation,—to such a general revision, mad change of
out Constitution, he (Mr. Ituakisson) had love elwave
Opposed, and while he hail at seat in that llouse he shoal
give it his most decided opposition. - Ile onto-rived, that if
such an exteroive Reform were (Acted, they might go ota
for two or three sessions in good anal easy time, 1-mal stich-
, a Reeormed Parliament might adapt itself tea oar muck
seurnehmeannt,eantelLbyeeocriailaitzley
ac.ownecetoinsecotfeathien etilo.uttalettL
ohfutgoifv
stitution of Parliament, rare he was that whenever an oc-
casion arose of great popular excitement or roootima, the
(consequence would he a total subversion o f uur Constitu-
tion, followed by complete confusion an anarchy, term's,
misting first in the tyranny of a fierce tletnocracy, and then
in that of a military despotism, these two great calemities
maintaining the natural Kder at succession whirl they
have been always hitheotoaten to observe." That autho-
rity sufficiently ham out his Gallant Ftimad in designating
th's as a reeoliationary measure. Not more than twelve
months?, age, Mr. Hnekisson had denounced, in the strong
anti emphatic language to which he had referred, any mea-
sure of such a descrinAon. Such sneasuree were so de-
nounced by a min who belonged not At/the aristocracy of
the country--,who had sprung himsel from the peopho
and who, felt with them and far them. 'With the weight
of such an authority ogeinst them, even those who had
been always friendly to such
,measures, shoulei pause and
reflect before they proposed them ; but that the politizaj
asinciAtes of Mr. Iluskisson—that tlso men who had 'flee%
amid
stvohauld,Lesol4sotohne
bpshearanerldtt,ibeuelsviet:toluiltati.cehdi:ed.tiibnilly:tiiruoitid,i after hirdrri,th, be
w,caii:lotssoefxtstuatiohnalintraieyas4roluras
able facto— Eleato hear.) The Learrttsl Geotleinalli:nnatoetpc'ep°osupnriette:
(thot. Attorney-General) had reforied to the early speeches
of 'Mr. Pitt for opinions whio.i, he hail expressol ix fa-
vour of Parliaments Rafortn, but he (Mr. Bankos)
would Prefer to moote from the late speeches( of that power-
ful and eloeitteut man, at a period whew his jadoutent was
maYll,l by age anal experience% He would refer the
*mut to the speech which Mr. Vitt moils upon the Irish
Union. If there tato one lltestSure more then smother
upon which that illttetriooo statesman desired to rest•hia
Lone, awl whiolo he was anxious shettld, teat down as his
Waklartat4,t to. posterity, that was the great andolifficult
ormatuire of the legislative union 1u5t13C442 She two countries.
They would see how,' upow thitt occasion, hat expimesed
hintself with regard to Worm. Having been tetothwea in
the course of the delteto with the opinions whieh he had,
held in hie notkv days upon that question, Air. Pitt deli-
vered seatiments which he almoil now resift to tho
a
tOpute. H :re the lion. Aleolhoe read an extraeat Nut the
speech of Mr. Pitt ukiean. the Melt Union, strongly eon_
demnatory of what WAS termediParlia coutary Reform. He
trusted the; he had said enouglateetattisfy tlielio». Ment-
he; foe Westminster that he liras, not tersatde to fulfil his
promise to faring forstWodi great authorities' for the pries-
ciples which he Oho Banked) adeueatida on this question,
and that he was, therefore justified,'without incurring the
censure. of the Hem. Member, in considerieg and describ.
ing this as at revolutionary measure,...:4Loik. cheers from
the Opposition.) .
•
Mr, lI,OBLI,OUSE thought that after the personal call
which had been mode upon hint by his Learned Friettal, he
Waft eotnetviote justified in taking the first opportuhity to
addoeas the House. Notwithstanding the able add, eta which
lied been just delivered by his Learned Friend, and not- -
withstanding the confident and powerful tone in which be
had addressed himself to the House, alio! in the latter part
of his speech to him (Mr.- ilobhouse), be (Mr. Heblitoteean)
thought that he should be ab:e a o show, ootholf.:tsmgoeaNtlt
authority as Isis—for the authority to l
at liy.l,;.!ithan.
tea
refer was the same as had haeu
frAenitt-he thouglst he
Friend, namely, •ueau",,,--"--oj; from • thatontrhorite, that
should be able. M raid:
Sir H. ilardini,e) was act Right' Hon. Gentleman 4,