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( Hear.) But what had happened six wee s a ter ? There
was a Protestant Conservative meeting in Belfast, and no less
than 800 Protestant Conservatives attended it, not one of whom
would go near the Lord Lieutenant. At one table there was a
rental of not less than 400,0001. of landed property assem- .
bled to promulgate opinions in opposition to those of his
Majesty's Government. This was a proof against the
Noble Viscount's Lord Lieutenant, or rather against the Lieu-
tenant of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin. These
facts were not to be controverted. Ile charged that Noble
Lord with misconduct, and he defied the Noble Viscount
opposite to defend him.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") As
long as he saw the present system pursued in Ireland—as long
as he saw a power behind the Noble Viscount stronger than
the Noble Viscount himself, so long would he treat the Noble
Viscount's words as wind—giving- them no confidence, and
having no faith in him ; but when he saw a change in the con-
duct of the Noble Viscount, he would then be prepared to de
him justice.
The Noble Marquis sat down, and no other Noble Lord
rising to reply, the House adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, FEBRUARY 20.
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock.
Mr. BALL took the oaths and his scat for Clonmel.' The
Hon. Member was introduced by the O'CoNNOR DON.
Mr, Crafer brought up papers from the Treasury.
Mr. Ryder brought up a return of the Contingency Fund.
13RITISH ALKALI COMPANY BILL.
Colonel LYGON moved the second reading of the Bill.
Mr. HAWES was opposed to the principle of the Bill, but
would reserve his right to divide the House upon the Bill till

:he third reading,
The Bill was thon read a second time.
ST. PANCKAS PAVING BILL.
Mr. TOOKE presented three petitions from different
parts of the parish of St. Pancras against the St. Pancras

Paving Bill.
Mr. HUME presented a petition signed by several thousand
of the inhabitants in favour of the Bill.
Mr. G. PRICE presented a petition against the Bill.
Lord E A STN OR also presented petitions against the Bill.
Mr. WILK S presented a petition from the south-west dis-
trict of the parish of St. Pancras against the Bill.
Mr. WAKL EY presented a petition in favour of the Bill,
Sir S. WHALLEY presented a petition, very numerously
and respectably signed by the inhabitant householders of St.
Pancras, in favour of the Bill ' • also, another petition from the
rate-payers of the south-west district, signed by several thou-
sands of the inhabitants, in favour of the Bill ; and another pc.
tition from the inhabitant householders of Camden-tow:1, pray-
ing the House to pes3 the Bill. The Hon. Member then
moved the second reading of the St. Pancras Paving Bill.
Mr. TOOKE rose to move Are emendment to substitute the
words " six months" for the word ° now," He really did
pray the attention of the House to the petitions that had
been presented, and to the consideration of this Bill, which
they were now called upon to read a second time. Let
them divest thsmselves entirely of ail political feeling—( Hear)
and only apply themselves to the good government of a consi-
derable district within the Metropolis. He was aware of the
specious grounds that would be alleged in favour of a measure
to consolidate a variety of trusts, and to bring them under one
uniform and cheap management.—(llear, hear.) If that
would be the effect, he would be the last person to (jive any
opposition to such a suggestion. But from an inspecs
tion of the Bill, from a local knowledge of the facts, and a long
residence in the district, he was satisfied, and hoped the House
also would be satisfied, that it would not have that effect, but
that it would have this effect of creating an equal number of
Committees as they were called—that the expensive machi-
nery would not be saved—and that the government of the
parish would be placed in the hands of persons less qualified
u.;' knowledge and property to give that satisfaction which it
was desirable for this purpose to give. The present Board
consisted of the most respectable inhabitants within
the district, and there was not a single petition complaining
of abuse or malversation against any of them.--( Hear, hear.)
In point of fact, they had conducted the affairs of the parish
with the greatest possible economy, and the inhabitants
(and he was sure he spoke the sentiments of a large majority
of them) were satisfied, and viewed with great jealousy and dis-
trust the transfer of a power now vested in themselves, to a
vestry composed nominally of 120 members, but 60 of whom
duly attended, and were constantly in a state of civil war—
(Hear and laughter)---and perpetually exciting angry feelings
over the parish. He had no hesitation in saying that the pees
sons who promoted this Bill had not the confidence of the
great majority of the inhabitants of the parish. It was quite a
delusion to suppose that one Board could manage the affeira of
the parish in a manner" better than at present. It should
be recollected that within St. Pancras there are several towns,
Camden Town, &c., containing a population of ono hundred
thousand souls, and an extent of district of about twenty Oleg,
all in the habit of confiding in the prs-s.sent managers of the
affairs of the district. As to the regulation of the Squares
and Crescents, the new plan would be attended with consi-
derable inconvenience and expense. At present every
inhabitant freely and voluntarily taxed themselves, and
raised the rate according to their own wishes.—( Hear,) By
the new arrangement, the vestry would have to decide whet
might be intended for pleasure, and what for utility. The
proposed Bill enacted that there should be several garden
and square committees, with a variety of officers, -clerks, sala-
ries, and expenses, all calculated to create patronage, which
was the object of those who brought the measure forward.
The present vestry consisted of 120 persons nominally, but
really of 60 only, that being the number in the habit of attend-
ing, and they were in the habit of quarrelling among themselves.
There was no ground on which to rest the proposed change,
unless that the affairs of Marylebone parish were all under one
management. He had no wish to speak disrespectfully of the
persons in Marylebone, but it should be remembered that that
dictrict was only six or seven miles in extent, while that of St.
Pancras was over seventeen. The interest, too, of money
raised in that parish was only four and a seventh, chile
in
Marylebone they have not been able to reduce it less than
four and a half, and yet it appeared that with their various
Boards they were able to go on at a cheaper rate than Mary -
lebone. He hoped the House would not depart from the prin-
ciple which had ever regulated their proceedings, of not sane.
tioning any change, unless it was called for by the imperative
circumstances of the case before them.
Mr. HUM E was sorry to find his Honourable Friend
the Member for Truro, who had been hitherto a reformer, tusn
round from his principles, and agree with those on the other
side of the House in resisting a desirable change. But
his statements were altogether inconsistent with facts, for in
the first place he said Pancras was more populous than Mary-
lebone, while it appeared that in the latter there were 122,000
inhabitants, and in the former only 103,000. The vestrymen
were, lie should have stated, all elected by the votes of their
fellow parishioners who were subject to the payment of rates.
The fact was that so far from the parochial business of Mary-
lebone being more expensive, they had reduced it from
150,0001. down to 85,0001. a-year. It was to he placed under
the same kind of elective management that the petitionera now
sought. The House should bear in mind that the parish of
St. Pancras, occupying a large space of ground, had different
acts for paving and lighting different portions of the parish,
and the consequence was that in some portions there were no
lights at all.--( Hear, hear.) . There were also in that parish
nineteen different trusts, which the Vestry regulated. The
entire, and these 19 trusts, were pulling and tearing the
palish to pieces, there being 19 lawyers, 19 clerks, and 1,100
commissioners connected with them.—! Much laughter.) That
was the state which the lion. Member thought it was so advisable
to continue. In Marylebeee the rate-payers had the power of
introducing annually forty individuals into the vestry, so that
they could,' in a short time, have a body of men in whom thby
placed confidence. He submitted that the time was come when
these ditFerent trusts should be consolidated, and he asked of the
House to grant that boon to the ratepayers of St. Pancras. Those
at present existieg were self-elected, and the ratepayers had
no control over them. It was most essential to the welfare of
the parish that the management of its funds should be taken
out of the hands of these self-elected coteries.—(llear, hear. )
The house would, he was sure, believe him when he stated,
that the expanse occasioned by these 19 trusts, was 6,000!. a
year, although one-fourth of that sum would be amply suffi-
cient under a different manigetneat. The debt of the parish
of Pancras was 112,000/., while that of Marylebone was only
27,0001., and the rate-payers of the former parish sought to
have their affairs planed under a similar management.
He would put it to the Hon. Members opposite, whether
such a uniform establishment would not be better than nine-
teen different self-elected trusts. He was not aware that the
Bill would militate against the interests of any individuals ;
but if it did, he was satisfied that they would be fully considered
and protected in the Committee, and under all these circum-
stances, lie hoped the House would allow the Bill to pass.
Mr. WILKES would not allow himself to be intimidated
by the phantom of a name.—( Opposition cheers.) He would
not be led away by the arguments of the Hon. Member for
Middlesex, although he would maintain that he was as strenu-
ous and consistent an advocate for constitutional and prac-
tical Reform as that Honourable Member.—( Hear, hear.)
He, for one, would never yield to factious clamour in giving
his support or his opposition to any measure.—(Hear.) The
House should bear in mind that the parties appealing to the
House were the vestry of the parish of St. Pancras, who were
their own panegyrists.—(Hear, hear.) They had already
made two applications to that House, and they had done
that which if it was net printed, and upon incontrovertible evi-
dence, could scarce be believed—they had out of the poor rates
of the parish twice paid the expenses of their ineffectual ap-
plications. He (Mr. W.) would not place additional funds at
the disposal of a body who had made so bad a 'use of them.
The rate for lighting and paving the parish of St. Pancras
was one shilling in the pound. The lighting and watching of
Marylebonic. keost IL 18s. a house, while the lighting and
watching 47 St. Pancras cost b -11. 7s. He trusted the
House would mark their opinion by such a majority as
would prevent a repetition of the question.
Sir SAMUEL WHALLEY said the consolidation of the
noise which
Baar ia; -zuld be a diminution of the expense. From the
Member's observations :
then peiTaded the House the remainder of the Hon.
'ere inaudible in the gallery,
The gallery was
cleat.—
--4 for a division, when there
appeared--

For the second reading 153
Against it
Majority for the second reading 6
The Bill was then read a second time.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from Uxbridge, in
favour of the Bill for compensating Mr. Buckingham. He
regretted the division of Tuesday night, for he fully believed that
the Honourable Gentleman had a good claim to com-
pensation. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from
Marlborough, complaining of intimidation and undue influence
having been used by the agents of the Earl of Ayleskary, at
the late election in that town, praying the House to take some
measures for their protection. —Referred to the Intimidation

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