The Sun.
London, England, 1814-07-06 00:00:00

NPRAE's pETi•nos.

Mr. PETER NIODRE, held in his hand a Petition of great
moments It was from a person of the name of M'Rae, and as
on reading it, it had not appeared totini to contain any thing
improper„ he had promised td present it. Ile had also to as-
sure tnc House,' that it was totally unknown to the'Noble
Lord wha was to form the subject of the debate that night.—
It complained of wrongs and punishment being inflicted on
one class of men for the. crimes of another ; and declared that
the Petitioner was ready to prove his allegation at the bar of
the House. He concluded by moving, that the Petition he
brought up..
LUTIVJAST supposed that Mr. Mcßae was the per-
son who had bees: convicted of a conspiracy' with others, for
a fraud on the Stock Exchange, The object.of his. Petition
then was to call upon the House, any allegation of any abuse
of power la the Court below tare-bear judgment of that
Court. .In this case, no complaint had been made out which.
toald enable the Home to entertain the Petition.

Mr. P. MOORE thought he must have wiongly described
!lie contents of the Petition; he would therefore read its sub-
stance. It advanced, that the Petitionei was competent to un-
veil the whole mystery of the late transaction in the City, and
to rescue from imputation of guilt au illustrious Person, a
Member of that House (Lord Cochrane), now charged with
haying been a party in that transaction. He had offered to
Make a similar disclosure to the Committee of the Stock Ex-
change, who proposed to give bin: a pecuniary reward for his
information. But when it was- wide:stood that his evidence
would excdpatc Lord Cochrane, and • inculpated other men,
they refused to hear him, This he was ready to prove by evi-
dence at the oar, and should he fail to do it, would most rea-
dily submit to the punishment of the law..
Mr.DATHIJIISI said it was. now toollate to turn informer;
the proper time would have been durin-g the trial, orin miti-
gation of judgment. Instead of this the Petitioner had ab-
seonded from punishment, and now came fel-Nord, offering
if be should fail in establishing his point to submit to that
.punisbment to which he- was alreadf made liable. He
trusted, under such circumstances, the Petition would be re-
jected.
Mr. LOCKH.%ItT thought the hriogiteg up of the Petition
could answer no good. By his statement and his sentence the
Petitioner hi‘d become both unworthy of belief aunt incompe-
tent to give .evidente. if it was true that the Petitioner bad
other evidence to adduce beside his own, the only thing lie
should do would be to inform the Noble Lord concerned, who
those witnesses were, that he might employ them if possible,
in wiping away the stain thrown by the:late transaction on
Lis character.
. .

Elie question wltethi.!r t e Petition should be brought up
was then put, and negatived by a great majority.
LORD COCHRANE.

Mr. BROADHURST Inored the Ordiir of the Day
for taking into conshlimation the !accord of the
Conviction of Lord Cochrane and Mr. Cochrane
Johnstone.

The SPRAKEIt inquired wiletber Lord Cochrane
was in attendance.

The Set:leant atArnis.answercd in the affirma-
tive. '
The Noble Lord was shortly afterwards intro-
dur,,ed by the Serjtant, who had summoned him
from the office
otthe spertker's Seeretarv, where
lie had been. conPueted ou bring delivered by Mr.
Gibbons, the of the Marshal 'of the Court
of King's to thd&rjeant. His Lordshi
was then acsired to bike his place, .and tooklus
!Apia' seat on the oppOsite Side.
Tlae SliAltag thell enquired whether Nv. Cock-

ritne Jolntstone was iat attendant-e ; anti csti berAtir,.
answered in the negative, Mr. Skelton, op, lf the
Messengers of the House, was called -to the Bar.
O being examined, he stated, -that he had gone
to serve the order of the Rouse. upon Mr. C.
Johnstone on. the 26th of June, at N0.:15, Al-
snp's-huildings, where he saw a Mr. Moore, who
told him that Mr. C. Johnstone was not there,
nor any of his servants in the house. He bad
lived there 'before his trial in the Court of King's
Bench, but 10A-quitted that house just before it
came on. Mr. Moore also said, that it would be
useless to leave thse order there, as 'it could :not
be delivered to the person for whom it was in-
tended. - •

The testimony of Jones, another Messenger of
the House, stated, that he called with a subse-
'fluent. notice at the house No. 15; in Alsop's-
.buildings, on Friday last, awt had received a
similar answer as hi) predecessor respecting Mr.
C..Tohnstone.

The SPEAKER said, he was informed there were
some Hon. Members who could give the House
information reipecring Mr. C. Johnstone.
Mr. CiRAHAM said that he had seen Mr. C.
Johnstone at Calais on the 21st of June last.

The same fact was also stated, by Colonel
KERRISON.

S?EAKER then observed, that the time 11,1 d
arrived for submitting to the house a ziotion un
the subject of the statement just made,

Mr. BROADHURST then moved that the record
of the conviction and sentence of Lord Cochrane
be entered as read ,

•This having been done, the SPEAKER informed
the Noble Lord that he, tnigltt now proceed to
say any thing he thought proper in his defence.
After a, few words between Mr. BANKES •and
thC_SPEAKER, on a point of form,
Lord COCHRANE rose and said—

" Mr. Speaker The circumstances under
which '1 appear before you and the !louse this
day, entitle me to, at least, a patient hearing.—
The unfortunate man, who, in the time of Cardi-
nal Richelieu, was condemned to be lacked and
burnt, on the charge of practising-I-eagle, when
protesting his innocence and exposing the villainy
Of his enclitics, while the fire was preparing be-
fore his eyes, was, to prevent his being heard by
the people, struck upon the mouth with a cruci-
fix, borne in the hand of a monk. This horrible
judicial murder shocked all France and all Eu-.
rope ; but 'of. all the circumstances attending it,
the fabrication of evidence, the flagrant partiality
of the judges, the cruelty of the sentence, the no-
torious falsehood of the charge, nothing produced
so deep a sense of indignation as the act of this'
execrable monk, who, not content with the tor-
ture and the death of the victim, not content with
the destruction of his body, was resolved to pur-
sue him even beyond the grave. I trust that on
this (ley no means.
w..l be resorted to stifle my
voice, or to prevent the public at large front hear-
ing all that I have to say in my Defence: all that I
have to urge against the conduct of my enemies and
againsLthe means that have been pursued to bring
ruin and degradation upon me. I am not here,Sir,.
,to bespeak compassion, or to pave the way to par-
tite]. Both ideas are alike repugnant to my feelings.
That the public in general have felt indignation at
the sentence that has been passed upoti me, does
honour to their hearts, and tends still to make my
country dear to we; in spite of what I have' suffer-
ed. It is not, however, my liuSiness to complain of
the cruelty of this Sentence. I am here to
sea, for a third time, my innocence, in the most
unqualified and ,sblemn manner. [Re then pro-
ceeded to utter insinuations against high legal au-
thorities, for which he was called to-order, with
an unanimous impulse, by the House.] The 1-louse,
Sir, will easily perceive, and 'every honourable
man will, I ant sure, participate in my feelings,
that the fine, the imprisonment, the pillory; even
that pillory to which I ant condemned, are no-
thing.; that they weigh not as a feather when put
in the balance against' my desire to show that I
have been unjustly condemned. Therefore, Sir,
I trust that the House will give a fair and impar-
tial hearing to what 1 have to say respecting the
conduct of my enemies, to expose which conduct
is a duty which I owe to my constituents and my
country, not less • than to myself." The Noble
Lord then went over the evidence which be pro-
duced when moving for a new trial, and which
already has been fully laid before the public. With
respect to the affidavit and letter of his- brother,
he said : " The affidavit of my brother, ast W. ea as
the certificate of the Surgeon, were treated as fa-
brications : and, with respect to my brother's
letter, the Judge would not believe that I had re-
ceived it unless I could produce it, and shew him
tire post-mark. Jr is known to all my friends, that
I seldoth preserve such letters as are slot likely to
be of future importance—but it was also known
to many of my friends, that I had received such a
letter. And since tray brother Colonel Cochrane's.
return from Ireland, I have learnt that he did
actually receive the letter enclosed from me ; and
he is ready to prove it; and my other brother
Major Cochrane, has sworn to the fact of having
sent it. The Learned Judges would not believe
the,re was time for the arrival of such letter be-
tween the 12th and 18th of February ; but I did
not speak to the date of the letter. 1 only said,
that I received it on the 18th : and my brother
did not swear that it was written on the 12th, but
early in February. Now, I expressly,Stated, that
my brotherbrought the Certificate home with him.
It was granted to him on the 12th of February by
the Surgeon of his regiment, for the purpose of
being laid before a Board of Medical Officers to
shew the necessity of his return to England, where
he arrived some time in March, andnow resides
in Portman-square, in a very precarious state of
health. The authenticity of the Certificate is. um-
questionable ; and it is mere important, since it
was not obtained for the purpose of proving the
truth of me statement, but is the original Certifi-
cate atithorizing his return to England on account
of ill-health, and bears date nine days prior to
'the 21st February. It includes a period of six
weeks, tamely, front the Ist of Jan. and yet the
Learned Judge argued against the probability, nay,
stated that it Was almost impossible, that I should
have heard of his illness on the 17th of Fe-
bruary ! With respect to my account of the
conversation Willett passed between De Bercnz
ger and myself, I submit to the House, that it is
net only true, but perfectly probable. It was not

, recessary Mint t shoulti know the business which
I3erenger had been transacting, in order to
I believe that he had reas.ons for wishing to quit the

kingdom. Ills wish to `go to Americ4, and Sir
Alexander Cochrane's application in his behalf,
were known .to tine, and clearly proved on the
trial ; and the Prosecutor's Council admitted that
De Berenger was in the Rules of the King's Bench,
and F. 6 in villved in debt, that lie would rather re-
side in any country than this. Within these few
flays, a letter from, De Berenger to his Solicitor,
Mr. Gabriel Tabourdin, has come into my posses-
sion, which clearly proves the distressed state of
his mind,
.and his anxiety to get out of the Coun-
try. The letter is dated the 17th of February,
tour days previous 'to the Fraud of the 21st. The
letter is long, and, to mc, perfectly unintelligible.
The, following passage slims the , perturbed

'state of his mind :—".l cannot refrain 'from
pressing you, as my Solicitor, and as a confi-
dential friend,
.to take immediately those mea

sores; which alone can tranquillize my mind, and
, enable me thereby to meet the numerous sufferings
lam doomed to bear. Something must be done,
for what is so harrassing -as doubt about future
late? Mine is all ghxtui ; and self-preservation,
that powerful argument, but which I have so long
neglected, and which every body More or less
seems to use, requires my immediate and unalter-
able decision. I have refused What most people
would call the safe side of the question. What
are my prospects in consequence ? that I shall
• have enemies in abundance ; that I shall, in either
result, have lost all chance of encourag9ment per-
haps in all Europe, and shall be tossed about, God
knows how and where, and at an age which claims
rest ; and horrible as the picture is., it is even the
best of the prospects that await me:---for should
the trial go against me, my. fate is not branded by
disgrace and punishment only ; for the doors of a
prison will close upon •me fin- life." After the
apprehension of.. Mr. De Berengeri. I did; by
the advice of Mr.. Johnstone, address to him
a letter through. the Office of Lord Sidinotithi,
calling upon him to state to the plume nis
sons for coining to my house on the 21st of Fe-
bruary,' and lie answered, that " his object was
.correctly detailed in.my affidavit." I hold his ori-
ginal letter in my hand. gelling upon the dif%
ference of the ,dress in which De Berenger ap-
peared before me from that descriW by the Stock
Exchange Committee, and on the assurance of Mr.
Johnstone that Dc Berenger, .had informed hint
that be could unequivocally prove an alibi by at
least -a dozen credible witnesses, and believing
that, -at all events, my own, innocence would
prove my protection, .1 felt SQ perfectly secure. As
to the issue of the trial, that I gave no instruc-
tions to Conusel, attended no consultation, and
never eveti read my own brief, into ‘vhich a fatal
error was introduced ; but feaVing the-whole busi-
ness in the hands of my Solicitor; I retired to-my
house in the country, and did not return till two
"days previous to the trial. While it“he country
I received a letter from my Solicitor, informing
me, that at a consultation, it had been resolved to
defend- my case, jointly with, that of Mr. Butt,
and that it was not determined whether it might'
not also be advisable to unite it with that of Mr.
Johnstone. I had ordered that may case should
he tlefended separately, and Messrs Topping and.
Scarlet were engaged. as my Counsel. To the
above communication I returned the following
answer

" Holly-hill, Titchfielti, May 49, 1514.

• " The Counsel are certainly better able to
judge than I am, as to the necsssity of mixing
Mr. Butt's case with mine, but i will not.consent
to any further union."
" Notwithstanding this, my case was defended
conjointly; and it deserves particular attention,
that the able CounSel who pleaded my cause
.was
intended to defend Mr. Johnstone only, and that
the Counsel whom I did employ, had no oppor-
tnnity of opening their lips. The unavailing ex-
pression of my dissent to an union of cases, was
almost the only step taken by me in my own be-
half in the whole course of the proceedings prior to
my return to town.; for, in add;tion to the per-
fect consciousness'of my innocence, I cannot help
remarking, that Mr. Johnstone, on all occasions,
was anxious to relieve me from the trouble of at-
tending to my own interests in this matter, and in a
letter Which- lie wrote' tome a few days previous
to the Trial, he intreated me to make myself per-
fectly easy as to the issue, and 'informed one he
had seen De Berenger's Brief, by which it ap-
peared, that he would fully establish an
This letter, pursuant to my general practice, well-
known to my friends, I believe I have destroyed;'
but the receipt and purport of. it can be proved on
oath by a visitor then at my house. On my re-
turn to town, immediately before the trial, the
Brief of Mr. De Berenger was sliewn to the by
Mr. Johnstone;' and the case as therein stated, ap-
peared to me so perfectly clear, that I soietunly
assure thenouse, that I then thought it impossi-
ble he could he the person who represented Du
Bourg. That I had no concern whatever. in the
alibi set up by Mr. Dc Bcrcnger, trill sufficiently
appear from the Letter from my Soli-
cicors

" Lincoln's Inn nems., Ist July, 1314.

" My Lord—We beg to achnoWledge' the receipt of your
Lordship's letter of ye,terday's date, and to acquaint you in
answer, that we were certainly employed exclusively tor. you':
Lordship in the ,hite Trial, and not fur 'any other of .the De-
fendants; and we also beg leave to state most enplicitly that
we never received from your Lordship, or any other person
whatever, any instructions in respect to
,the alibi attempted
to be proved by Mr. De Derenger, and consequently did not,
nor could. give any directions to Cotins6l in respect to that
alibi, nor..had ever any intercourse 'or communication
whatever with the witnesses by Wluini it was to be establish
ed. We have the htmOur to be, toy Lord, &c.
FAllltErt and •

" My description of the dress in which De Be-
renger appeared before me, at my house, on the
21st, of February, has excited much animadver7
sion. When I swore that be *ore a.green coat,
the Counsel for the prosecution declared that I
had incurred the moral guilt of perjury,- without
subjecting myself to the legal penalty. When I
came into Court and repeated my assertion upon
oath, under all the risks of the law, and tender-
ed the affidavits of others who saw hith, as I did,
in his green coat at my house, the Awe Como-
scl repeated the accusation. I also affirnied,
upon my honour, in the Court of 'King's
Bench, and I do affirm upun my honour in this
110;ise, that I only saw him in a green .coat.—.l.
have already stated, that an error of the must

dahgerout nature was introiticed into the bri;
In that brief, the coat of De W:renger is deciA.id
ed to have been a red one Avith a green callA/,,.04
my Counsel, in consequence, adinithA tha„tft
red which had been sWorn to be green.
tendon was not called to this error, Or.differel
haswhich
in the rsbeeoetn
istoyftiletiftel,ncaen,d Mr. Selicant rer
diction between. my atlidavitnalanr(ll",vcihtairlebcklrilt:l;
told him, and he gave me credit for au 6vers.2o;-'
I.
in consequence thereof, but- refused to e.101',-„.,
my servants, then ready in attendance. E'llb‘
the morning of the second day of the trill'
informed, to my surprise, of the 'node of de fly
_which had been,reSOrted to, I agailh.sent
illy 'r L
vants to Guildhall with a note to illy
which the hollowing is an extract:—'
June 9, '`10,;!;
" DEAtt Stn—l hate- sent my servants; who, 1 4.. c
ought to be examined, in order to prove the aPPe3r•Wite're''
• Berenger. ". This seems necessary to free front 1,11•011
uneasiness which I should ever feel were the iuvOt44"
ter''inate
Still,otherwSn,ise..!'
c r
'Or
it was not deemed prol•-t,
sintiit(it)tontetohit i.eiyibursyieerfc,s,onte
ants ; and to the error .ijeo•
an
l,t hie
icuounsste e
in soin e
n tintilsl
tribute the unfavourable result of the tila'•,;,,
half-past seven o'clock on the evening ot
day of the trial, a clerk on the part of" we'
miters called upon me, and the following 'sltilat
morandum made by him of the converotiu
took place between ns in consequence t
--
L 0
I told Lord Cochrane I hall just conic out of i)."`-'OO,
pate him for the worst result, as the Judge istun
up against him very decidedly, and I delivered
randUm of Mr. Brougham,. recommending his Lords 4,'1.
ill; made acquainted with the. result to be. apprelo--.iori
inquired much about the trial, but particularly eiltat, ,
had been called on his side—l told hint Dewman,
to prove Major Cochrane's illness, and some °the,' he 14
quired if Mary Ttirpin was called; I answered not;, 10;
Mr. Parkinson had put his foot in his ease, or I'3 at4te;'i
botch'd'his case, and that it waS cruel in him—here:l, eli4e7dr ,
would tell him he ought to have called her to prove
dress-4 told'him his letter was.snlunitted to Coon3e,"
measures not approted of by them—He answer.c".',becilhi't
should have done as I instructed him; I am. to "z: disc ",
sufiererlif convicted—l also told h m that at the
Lordships's letter was received his case'' was closed'
(Signed) " M. COULTiiIII'7.
' " 10th June, 1814: •
" 1 read this, Sir, to spew to the tious,"tit
anxious I was, to the very last moment, "/ berl
servants should be examined. Had the,Y.,:s "
examined, they would, have sworn to did ljkia!
which. De Berenaer came to my house. . per
submit, whether the testimony of all thesecoe•
sons ought not to preponderate over that ai'varr'i
The only witness to the point of De 13`l e,
coming•to my house in a red coat is Gl'6ll.l'ooll
hackney coachman. And wider what elt to
stances was his evidence given? Not oueai"'
Counsel for the prosecution ventured to (V.-11;00
him to the point ; but on his cross-ex'll)lrju
being asked the following 'question,
not pretend to he able to recollect every '?r“
7
you carry. in your hackney-coach every d'1)1" tol/
replied, " No, but this Gentleman that tot "
front a post-chaise and four, when he g'',tottidcr,
Green-street, I saw that he had a red e 014" r frj'l-
neath his great coat." Does it not aPPe3,..O JVc
this answer, that the .witness, having.bei'poi!';
appointed in not being queStioned to ti),1%00°},;,..
.before, speaks. to it now as his only mire bloc 3
securing the reward of 2;i01. offered by tlo-
Exehange, ant! which, I understand, be, e'r,ll
claim to. With respect to the evidencs; ,ctrl` liu
it is worthy of notice that the great coat.
H have sworn as grey, was described by ,11 ifr„l.
examination before the StOck Fay:cliaug ta",t. to'
~,
mittee to have been a brown one 3 but 011 bro4o:ii
he meets My description, and calls 4 ao a ft:
grey. He also described De Berengerle
faced man, Shilling also stated trefoil.' Ili r,os'',o
mittee, that De Berenger had a " large rej`iiioo:o
and " face rather blotched." Now, it is to•
that De Berrenger bears no resembhlaT , 00,4
description. He is pale, marked will' ; It.
1 b`l%.f
pox, and free froM blotches. But, S'f'. 01'
another fact to state with regard to C".°l::tell'il°f•
call upon the House to give it that that t.le't
Ulrt
which it deserves. At the moment, Sir'
man was giving evidence which Was he ;if•
use of the crimes of fraud and perjurY'odoet a-
suffering the sentence of the lass' tot this °I-et
no common atrocity. The account of ,c+l.ta
lil
duct, I will read to the House, as it ".°'
t
'in the public papers :—" On Friday .r4a.
Crane, the driver of the Hackney C"36;rs te,a-
was sumfnoned before the CominisSi°'ll c, , circ?e,c
charge of cruelty to his horses• 111aoceu,
stances detailed were so shocking as I r
Commissioners to observe they Ile" k t- Sis '
•
snore atrocious case." Now, Sir, I e'3°.„itil
evidence of an old and faithful seregnt,etber
been in one family seventeen years, .t°g of, ant• 4
the evidence of three other witne!sscis'io•blo
peached veracitY,• to be out-weiguLt the "
lance by a wretch of this stamp ? (-)" r4-er r,(3);;;
of the Bank Notes found in De DurCoti,ers
session, which had been exchanged 1,°.1.„,
had once been mine, I pledge mysell
the clearest and most unequivocal niku": ‘c
lesrioo
notes of mine as have been called it! „opo,e,
given by ate to Mr. Butt, for dt'm
nattiel,,,o;t
discharging just and Lima: fide (I'.bbvits
debt of '2UOI. to himself for inooe-Y ,less'' „t
the payment of HIV wine-merchaots, anoo 01
•..!
,
101
k(BSOnat'idCrOStaite, WboSe )1
b t h rt 9
6991.115. the payment of whit.
Inv ri
hands of Mr. Butt, had escaPe' lil par
at the time of the trial.' 'file s've„,teit fvoTc•ac;
lating to' the loan of 20U1. eN-tr3.-If, the
Stock-brolier's -hooks, together ' oia.tut,
Merchant's affidavit respectiog jurreat oe.
transaction, 1 hold in toy ha'l'l' jookiug-pferji°
House to examine them, that oo
wine-merchant's affidavit,
olffilti:1:::,:re.t.trj::;:::,
Ofrebriniry, the ~'.eery day
.06 ,sv , wo
ailed, to. have been plaottee,J, „yrs i,, tzt
in their cellars for upwards
wines," to be sent on hoard the J-`!"
Dott,.!
of SClztiu" that i iv COIMCCLIOIIG‘i
from a con versa!ion ith th'it 1111
the
fa
Ist '1 • •s of the AllKs
(woe
ori,
, when t pro,ri .
able aspect of affairs induced :1,1
to place my spare Money it k)_crl
ties. I fold him that 1 disP(!:ed 111 e „pit
seem hies and land. ae thol
might gain without advanciog
offered to conduct busioes' 1)017 „al
st lileuctiupaet(i::(o: Dieu
trilling to otter into 4

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./.

I'lo

a•id
'Ol4

of few
• ile course a
I.ot unaersfanit ll°
he brought me
vrever, in t
'lays, to my very great surpr.ise,ona
speculation.
the snru of 480/. as the which he said he had madperofohrt
•
the money, I desired him
tosPt
and the 19th 0
me. Nut
tvN.itoht
i‘tvatillitliiirk
badi, lost it. Between that period •ed for me,
I e had gained
d,
"hrilary, the stun which -' ,
~ot `lee or revear
'4'l pl4ced to.. my account, i•viti,i
4,20?1-, .
MI
acts of Mi .
411:I Withollt my:controul,
stet'
disintete.
of a dishonour- •
1 !Jaye witnessed many a 111( . ted to
hitt' ahil 1 think hint incapab.lcoaoimadverte,
a-e ttOti." His Lordship then
,1
examining
.°ll the
-conduct of the • ju'lrgt.eatullioloservi'Lg)tet"
the adjourning the
C°k
virulence %%nc:,
To_
'tie evidence With a degree of .
, [lle then pi,-,
4sioliell fresh calls to order.
1:,,,,,ii,,ii.m,r0ug
seems.
ttNeil to comment on Lord iteport
lt
'-'i't"ge, on which subject, it ourwould not repe-
bricunuteted, it is because we 4, to proseciit.mii
111'4 which would jilsilY expotm;„irous of P"°,,,ltsde-
-41.41Ponishinent, and yet ar-,,c p urged in I'' -i_._
,11tg 41,1 that the accused pe,,lisii, •borotigir, in his
l'i.lee.J " Why did Lord 6"i.), of my Affidavit
ea'l" ti; the J ury, take one p;11 He lirofesse:.
ttro
tei%tit." alltl 11110111er as false
the
facls of my .1' i
its,e fro:witty Affidavit .s to tare
to
wea,. ins,trelsad..
‘)F tkiii"4l),' Bereiter •t irk it the AirY to ci
,roi-
d„„ 'lliii;,:riii, 4,111 Pais I so. disguised, and
,:Z•ans
hig fo,:,'titillei ti. man
disguise-conilll in a bum' er,„
~..,i..,
tlut utt .' 4.Kain.with his ail this Lo
itiv"ii.'-
)e.hhotoddionest errant'
lote,
and draw coati C..y-
iiOns i.ligli prOieSSV,I t° tit 1
stated, that
uponpmee
reii, 441:1 thy affidavit'.
corps,
called
to
iii ii"eki.::ll"theer '" a irtil the Judge submits
the j-,'"--..40,„,f0r in ; ant, this,a
proof
of his coalingL orCi
it
ii•Y''is a disguise', and
contintylc
" But,"
it, 'he he-
. Fl `t
!shortest errand •
_ are
___
-41ttib, . • . other witnesses
,s house
ti )1011,E, it.
Lord cochratte
iPel, tb. rl3„-,i, • • nt to
news, deco-
-ettiii ri- -.-- °I " e zoned the false
..•
a scar-
rittt„i Y. titer having Ina_
)a
aot,
eres
eo ii.i, .
tate-
-1,,,t' ‘vitti a star, a inecialln ,
are
tus.o,
f 015.4 _
Neit():t.: In this short sentence ~witness who
.re.
11-
i fur there. was only I
one
to my house in a
144,4
seki.;„, ''' 'smelt Visitor con"11,---of the star or me
iltifi`` Coat, and nut
i QlL'e►Wloll•'(.lllenborough submit_
to t'it'll• ‘171.1v did not _ort J.
tobanle that De Be-
ten le Jury, ,•vhether it was.p• -erem by any pre
Itr caitie there, and hi tha.tmly dress, he not sraiyie,
tliat i'',.l.l'4ll,•;eiiient of mine ? W
whetbecoo..
enonire,
taifie `, 'Vas for the Jury t 0...
or. 1•01.; his own
0_,,.
cute.letliti`tl'e,as lily instrtnnen!'
down
the gaiea . .
taliti - ' 'Having hunted,,
the prosecutors
at
143 t iiiik‘4this cinet Justice,
his
skin. And it iser
Vel'illie‘l'ed
wliat
becalli"l
tlefeadant liereuig
it
• ktri„_eaterial fu et, that
s
tare
firane's'" Wby
which
tkireP, it nself at Lord cue
~,,,,. facts .
k "lal?-1; : ,it is one of those
t anxious
. gitilt,, ecausc
~... been mos
never '
‘o ,(111-- laiiin , would' halve
la.
~,,,,jai fact
...
%111(1 iet4l i and since this " `I.,1-t
not voltra.i.dY
itt4t11,,,14, ve peen known it I liaL.t.
1 as furnish
t tit
ik 1. it • •
chiefly hop 01.-,- .
innocence ;
, 1.; 5tr„,,,,,,,' 't is -
riti.t of my IP ; the
' lie -: Presunipti% ep• - :oat-there, ant .
tVie tIIPPed his scarlet, 40111("1" did not excite
1 iiiiiiti_ , . .
~(len. green -
or,
L I El-
-4-4141 eo
ie of its not 0 Did not
..
be_
Ariaii,, earahe's suspicion.
was no evidene.e .
fiat 11,2'14 know that 'e
tiler_
.:. . oft iris
toarieti` Jory
.4 De Beret:gel
,s pullingit it had bee,..
tltAr 1111`1,-) 4 , y 'hothe ? 1q,e1,1, -.t uniform,
lib tit i Idr
to-
honse ." -h". .
of the
Jell 1,, It. thtered illY • , which
\tithe,. "AY'
relieve he did Jim,.
d• at my
It, 'be oti • saw liini pun it " .
'e N I,le trial
I, of •he :witnesses pray-
..in
N tit '-t ti,,,4e, • rt•...d,c. • .
.s ditfei.e,it from
lit'it in .114' ‘t•'elit away in "(11 es lne,..__That he
I)4lfed 55,01c1i he-entered ?—Not '
presence, there
i "tl auy cunt at all in layßit And was
it ~' 'ttlii4,,it . but
my Affidavit- benefit of
hi, ti.. I, . y
_lion the
~
oil_
) t:ia rove the proseen
Berengei s P
~I.
iii... e"ee to . tact of De
n tilt ac . . till
deprive me "•.'
II
d to
1e 4(l, °4l iii rite
house, an • to the co
l 'ant.
as
say :
iiiir `t4e ot the like evidence
~
„et!.
on to
r ot it
1.144 • Lord calennorougu b :innit,
telti . titeS Iv"
stiet, as ought to
Cochrane;have '
for
11,,,,' "tette(' f
i„„ d Lord
supposed to
di-
i • Cutt4.l tle stisines•- '-
„e be
coat
',Ave
al a man in NliC:i a filsgui'
ti, 1 holiest - .- )If the colour
of
the star
, -ripen ,i, , . Pin I'°'e • aril he think
iiiiti iiie
i.4iv4iion, what -
discovering '
th"%e, .141? It bccanie him, "ilml!
tu-
to coma
Ili,. "3 an 0 . • i a Gentleina",
es. Did
Ili'
-in, hi, ince' and .
41,.e 1( t
ii StIVICIOIIS of liiese circumstances.
d been in
ti's
(It. •Ue ileretig r where he had
} whether
'41)111 t: .4.,'' it Wil3 for the JnrY to .sall'ad been."
11ii
tiothratie d:1110i knOw where
i ire
eiv attentive,
11'414 ttit Jury, 61,, been suilie-en--/ box, and
tltsirt,f t'le/ ""t have started up. in :•,/hin'tites, and
Poitit tiitie•Juilge to refer to his '' b--1 evidence,
ti •
het e '
idt bt lit., . it INI. bean
givettn the `star and
etliii iti ienger was seen to wei-- • v .have
ou•ti
tagp,e,l!iy pre, ~,, ? This, perhaps,'
in ire, whe-
tiler 1, di rnio, Eitid have led him mitt" el- 'II.- . I been,
E'ut to as ant know where De Berenger i .
'le was no,l'aere he himself was whethergoiag,a,l,3,L,:lhis,"
tontilluestotrarelliug out of the record=
dress
of
Bhath 1, lel'eatned4titige '' was tint the •
me
leforeTuuter) hut of a: Al'otintebauk• He
Faos-
ttiii,e
of phis euebrilue fully blazoned in the
qlotild av"is,,ti'll'!. And such
; a alasl•"Ldittv
to the bi,,,ht;_-•-e'ted Lord Cochrane, from his
he
criild a;e4t":2l,trvice, to ehilhire into, a,ll. errand
,(4f -be 13 •- - tt' t° ex ironiptiY 'tilt
.t
eteliger ,
``;'x }post 1
did
the Judge omit
•ii remind 1 .
De t_ tle
,j,,,,,,
~y, :sir,
...yhone
‘ebeit
' •t (
.was ii old
eren,„
.0.. J. 'l'
„.1- re-
liihitted
at ' 11%ed---tht De Bercnn- be_
hire , nay house, for
near:3,_ two hours ,
1-
1),,14: 'etttrot;(l--that he bud wjth biro a illo "
11,11 a.ti big enotivh t
su wri p) a coat in .
'()iji tliitt he tiut sari that it Pwa;ifor the Jury to
I.littel'i'tl.
e,p l'hethei: it was at pll likely that De,
qess (;):1' 511°41(1 have travelled to Dover in t':e:
or ' a Nlotinteb‘atik, bedecked with stars and
} Paent- ) D.
litve
gong ' • 1(1 nut the Judge know that: he must
ti,a,p, to Dover in another dress ? The port-
li,,' eo.could
,
'eh. CI • • •
out be for the, purpose of clean
ttp„vr Clean linen wonld not 11,,,,e tarOured the•
tli,T
_ii ance of a sudden arrival front abroad. Why
tf,ltilt.",..t Lord Pi] .
--neiloorot,rh submit to the JurY' i
o 1
the
ritaio e,_lio_rtna.nteau which served to convey
othlve !nt.al dress
.to Dover, would also serve to
1441, / 11's Pkain dress back ? 41.11 d, instead of as-
b lig thatl,z,,,,_ the imPoitor appeared before me fully
iiie
ait
.t 1 In til ' 1
e costu9 e of his crime, why did not
trot
~•Ltigt submit to the Jory, 'whether he had
Ili_ t"!ineas and stithei snt • lilt'''.
Ica bra his ibe ‘
°Pliort unity of
c • :.
ss before I saw liiin ? ''' Why. did he
I,‘'4'°• tninoti 1 •
ititii.,_,, , c,,,.. the circumstance respecting my
11,1,-, `'.(,s illhess, which was in evidence, and
Nihie
1411.1 he not ask whether it was not kih rp 'dt
1 Illigin il'ive been, deceived ? Had he
, . -„ c
" :or ito •• . ' '
-treh , t Lininclitig the Jury, that De
Das-
her admitting him to Lave been Du Bourg,

liCes

;est,

trr,
)rict

"igv

U'
401
;;?,

1, c
s.
Y `~

;s
et~

;I.k

rCi

tile;
ti,rl

ctid 'CertainiY talie the best. anti easiest Means-- to
get out of the way, by 'applying to go o❑ board
of my ship, where he had also a prospect of hi-'
tare ad.•antage ? Was there any thing so %trange
in my payinng► Money to Mr. .I.3ntt, with whom 1
had .constant pecuniziry transact ions ? The Judge,

in his charge, made ine answerable for 314.1111m'

application of his own Money., and for the pos-
session of notes by De Berenger which were ek-
changed for notes that had before ceased' to be
mine. He asserted, that my duty to the publiC
to have made me expose the fraud as soon
as possible, as if it, loci been in evidence that I
dsd not ; when the fact was,- that the knowledge
Of the imposition inning been practised by a per-
son coming to my house, never reached me on board
my ship till the 9th March, and I instantly applied
for leave of absence, which I obtained, even before
I heard from LOrd Melville upon the subject.
I did think, that as the witnesses who could 'mate-
rially have Contributed to prove my innocence 'of
the charge had not been examined, and as 1 could
chew that their not being examined Originated- in
error, and that such error was not my own, that-I
had a, just claiM to a new trial. • 1 thought, too,
that the circumstance of my defence hiving been
conducted jointly with that of another person, con-
trary top)? express injunction ; and of the Counsel
for that person having been, compelled to enter
upon the defence when e4,l:austed and unequal to
the task of doing justice to his clients, and -of
my Council not having had an opportunity, of
speaking in my behalf, were additional. reasons
for a revision of my case. It is notorious that
I made two applications for a new trial, and •
that both were reinsed.—{klere his Lordship
stated the grounds on which he rested these ap7
plications and the causes assigned for their being
refused.)—Something has beer; said, Sir, in this
House, as I -have read, about an application for
a mitigation of my sentence, in a certain quarter,
where, it is observed, that- mercy never tailed to
flow. No, Sir, I will -seek for, and -1 look for,
pardon no where ; for I have committed no crime.
I have sought for, 1 still seek for, and I confi-
tlently expect, justice, at the hands of my en-
fightended and virtuous Constituents.".
His Lordship having concluded his defence, the
SPEAKER intimated to him that it would by proper
he should retire, and submitted to the •House that
it would be necessary for some Member to move
thar*Lord Cochrane be recommitted to the cats-.
tody from which Ite, had been taken. --
Lord CASTLEREAGH then moved, that the
Speaker should'isstie his warrant to recommit the
Noble Lord to-the custody Of the Marshal of- the-
King's Bench, which' having been clone, his
Lordship retired,

Lord CASTLEREAGH rose. He stated that only
one feeling had prevailed throughout the Hou'se
during the speech of the Noble Lord, and that
was an anxious desire of patiently hearing every
sentiment which he had expressed, and every
statement statement which he might give. It conic( not be
concealed, however-, [tow much of his Lordship's
address had been 'directed, not to his own de-
fence, but to cast imputations on other and most
respectable quarters.--L.(tiear, hear !) It was
trite that there was no authority in the land,
whatever its elevation might be, that was not
amenable to answer for its .conduct ; but it was
also evident, at the same time:, how much that
laculty of iaculpating Superior Powers had been
abused. He had thought it right not to interpose
between the arguments of the Noble Lord and the
imputations which he had cast on other indivi-
duals, because he was conscious chat Parkiameat
Would separate them. But if those heavy charges
should,he allowed to appear in public, he would
think it a monstrous abuse of the indulgence
which had been displayed towards the Noble
Lord ; should it prove necessary, therefore, in
future, to proceed in Courts of Law against par-
ties so offending, they woull not,`at least, have
to urge in mitigation, that they had not received
a fair warning of their danger.

Mr. BROADHURST thougut that it was impossi-
ble for any liberal mind to witness the situation
of the individual. who had just left the House,
without sentiments of the deepest commiseration.
He lamented with unfeigned sincerity the down-
fal of such. a character, and would not. voluntarily
yield his aid, to sink him deeper into distress : but
public grounds required a sacrifice of private 'feel-
ings. He should, however, in, his address abstain
from all retnatks on the statements and sentiments
of the Noble Lord, but, leaving him in possession
of all the advantages which they afforded, would
confine himself' to what his judgment dictated,
and would leave it to the House to decide ac-
cording to its pleasure. He thought it his duty
to, call the attention of the House to the mo-
tion he should make, 'with a view to the main-
tenance of its character and its honour. He
should allude to Mr. Walsh's case, not that it
was . entirely similar, but that it was sufficient
to prove the right which the House exer-
cised over its own Members; for although in
the debates on that question, it was contended,
that-taking the opinion of the Judges, and other
circumstances into consideration, the conviction.
was done away; yet sufficient bad• been proved,
to render Mr. Walsh unworthy of sitting in that
House. in consuqueuee of this he had been ex-
pelled. Now, he submitted -to the House, whe-
ther sufficient had not been proved 'against two
Metnbers, whether they had not been too much
stigmatised. in Courts of Justice, not to have' be-
come unworthy of the scat which thy occupied in
that House. • He was unwilling to wound per-
sonal feelings, by using the language of reproach.;
but there was no duty more sacred, than that of
averting such a stain frool the popular branch of
our Constitution. He did not conceive it neces-
sary to press the question much longer; -but rest.
ins; it on its own ground and the Record 'before
the House, which he was confident would act con-
sistently with its own respectability and honour,
he would therefore move the following ReSolu-
tion

" That it appeared to the House, that the. Right Honour-
able Sir Ti-mat Cochrane, commonly called Lord Cochrane,
had been convicted on ad indictment of a conspiracy with a
wicked and malignant intention of cheating and defrauding
his Majesty's subjects of divers sums of money."

Mr. BRowNE was of opinion, that this case was
equiliy hard as peculiar. The Noble Lord, it ap-
peared to him, had been (I,.mied a fair opportu-
nity or bringing his case before the Court : he
( \11..13) ‘vould not adopt as a precedent for the

conduct, the rule of the Court be.
low; But if he were anxiciiis as to the vote Lie
give, before he had heard the Noble
Lord's statement, thatAnxietv had been increas-:
ct . in a tenfold degtee byw.hat hail transpired.
The course which had been taken rendered it
absolutely necessary, in his opinion, for the House
to haVe' the whole of the case before theni

The question was whether any matter had pre-
sented itselt which could shake the contidvnee
entertained of the verdict. Now; tioni his know-
ledge of human nature, and from his own con-
ceptiOn of the education; habits; mind; and cha-
racter of the Noble Lad; lie thought it perfectly
impossible that if he had been depressed by the
sentence of guilt that hung upon him, he could
have had the hardihood to face that House. It
was utterly impossible that he could have made
the appearance which he had done there that day,
unless he were impressed with a consciousness of
innocence. lie would be sorry to say a word
which might be deemed a reflection on the admi-
nistration of justice. The ability and perfect in-
dependence with which the Noble Lord at the
head of the Court in question administered the.
duties Obis high and important station were in-
disputable, and the high respect which he perso-
nally entertained. for that Noble Lord would deter
him from uttering a sentence that could be. Ml-
strued !tit° an insinuation respecting the charge
or the verdict. But the Noble Lord %vho had jtist
been before the House hail arraigoed that verdict,
and in such a way as was sufficient to shake his
confidence in the guilt of the Noble Lord. He
should, therefore, propose as an amendment,
"'That the statewent wade by Lord Cochrane be r.:ferred
to a Select Committee, with rower to examine witnesses, and
send for, papers, and that they report their opinion to the
.ilouse.
. On'the question being put,
Tile ATTORNEY-GENERAL rose, and entered
upon a definition of the difference between the
present case and those on which the House had
decided on former occasions. On these it had
been prOposed that the House itself should send
for papers.; but
,the fonndation of the present
motion ,was totally difleeent ; as it rested on a
supposition that the Noble Lord at the head of
the Cuort below had exceeded the forms of jus-
tice, by referring to a rule which rendered a new
trial irregular. Respecting the justice and wis-
don' of this rule he should not stop to argue; that
it wits a rule long is the usage of the Court, had
just been admitted. But be that as it may,. that
rule did not•stand in the way of the Noble Lord ;
fin. whatever he had-thought necessary to state to
the Court had been heard to time fullest extent ;
and it was 1116 unanimous opinion of the .3 (rages,
that there was no occasi.ou for further proceed- '
ings. As to-the point
,which went to impugn the
character of the Court, it was perfectly unneces-
sary for him to set ahout.making a defence. But
there had been two questions proposed, on which
he desired to deliver a distinct opinion. Respects
ing thu first question, concerning the Record, he
would answer, in the most perfect and absolute
mariner, that the Noble Lord (Ellenborongh)
never saw the. indictthent, or any copy or abstract
of it, except when it was handed up to him to
make his observations on it ; and he would say, in
honour of the profession, that there was no mats in
Weitminster Hall who would suffer himself to be
'eniiiloyed, or even Approached, by a person who
sthAllti dare to arraign the impartiality or integrity ,
of the tench. He would speak of this as a uuiversal
proposition, which never had been nor ever would
be broken. But even the verdict had been ar-
raigned, and he was sorry that this bold accusa-

tion had not met with an earlier answer ; fin he
could not sit and bear • such a charge as had been
made that day on the tribunals of the country,
without thinking it- his duty, if there were the
least foundation for it, to declare, that the trial
.by Jury ought instantly. to be abolished, -as a
curse and scourge on the nation. After explain-
ing the form by which special juries were elected,.
entirely independent of the judges—" Thank God
(added the Learned Gentleman) so admirable is
our institution of Trial 1) Jury, that not on any
one occasion of my whole life have I had reason
to know, or even to suspect, that a corrupt verdict
has been given on any occasion." And he would
ask, where could a jury be found More highly
distinguished for ability; honour, and indepen-
dence, than twelve Merchants of the .City of Lon-
don ? What place could any man point to where.
he could expect to find so much intelligence as
amongst such a Jury; and who but must feelin-
dignant at such unfounded, infainous calumny as .
had just been heard in that House against such
individuals ?

BRAND said; tlitt whatever might have
been his opinion at a former period, he must con-'
fess, that- what he had heard that night had irr
(limed hint to entertain some doubts as to the pri7.
vity of Noble Lord in the transaction for
_which he hail been convicted. lie, no doubt,
should have concurred in the sentiments of the
J nry, if he had been one amongst them.; but there
were some points in the Noble Lord's ease which
were most peculiar. He had stated, respecting
the Bank notes in the. possession of Berenger,
that it was only within these two or three days
that he had been able to account for their coining
into his hands, as he had discovered that that per-
son had received them from his own lvine-ruer-
chant ; and he has also added, that be is now en-
abled to account for all the other circumstances
that appeared inexplicable at the.timeo( the trial ;
and, therefore, unless some.mode or other were
adopted
.to give the case the most deliberate con-
sideration, be (Mr. Brand) thought the House
would rest under a degree-of implication. He
hoped,•therefore, that those grounds would cause
very.wide distinetion,to be made in the .mind of
the House between the Noble Lord and the other
persons with whom he hail been unfortunately
connected. -

Mr. CHOKER rose to. say. a few wordS on.one
particular point, which had called,forth the sur-
prise Of the House, as welt as some observations
from .am Hon, Gentleman. The Noble Lord bad
asked, whether the Lord Chief -Justice had. not
been in communication.with the First Lord of the
.Admiralty—whether he (lid not t yen wait upon
that Nobleman; to advise hini to suspend him
from his ship, in order to have him for prosecu-
tion, and that his Lordship had advised the pro-
secutors how to frame their case, according to, a,
particular precedent ? litow. being in the coati-

derive of the Noble Lord, as well as frOtt
Nation he held, he must say, that to his cut
belief, no Mich interview ever tool: place_; th. f
siiCh Steps • hid ileeu that the resol tititt
for SUsperding the Noble Lord horn his
had been discuSed ot an open l3oai.d ; and
the Noble Lord fit the'head that Boilid hail
Stated. the factS to him Which he liad just declared,
assuring !dui thai nu edininunickitioli whatever;
either directly or indirectly, kid taken place be-
tween him and the Lori! Chief Justiee on the Sub-
ject lil question. The Noble Lord who had just
been before the House; intik therefore 'fate been
totally misinfornied" when be was itiditted td,snake
the nssertiOn.

.111r..BARHADI bad very conSiderahle
titer the Noble Lord was not as innocent as any
Gentleman present in that Moose. And in whet
• situation did he now staed ? Degraded in his
ranlidegraded in hit proftn3Sioo—and sentenced
to imprisonment and disgrace !. Under all the
eireilinstances. before him, he could not make
his mind to vote for the motion.
PoNsONEy declared, that. with respect tri
the Noble Lord himself, he deserved much ere.
dit for his nnoderation and candour ; but he
could not ..but censure his ill-judged conduct
in his Defence. ScimenperSons, however, seemed
to think it an imputation on the -Judge that the
Noble Lord, had, asked for a- new trial. Now this
Was no imputation on any'Judge and nothirg'
Was more conimon than such spplicattidos in all
the Cowls ofjustice with which he was acquainted.
lie bad listened to many such applications, and
never met with any .Tudge who supposed himself
offended by them. He never knew'a person who
carried his opinion of Judges so high as to sup-
pose them infallible ; and if the law bad so- consi-
dered them, it would not have provided the nu-
merous remedies that existed. •"The Noble Lord
had stated; that the Lord. Chief Justice, in his
Charge to the Jury, had said that Berengen: cane
to his Lordship's lioase in the costume of his
tribe; and Loid Cochrane had stated ten times
over, that there was no such evidence. Now, if
this statement of Lord Cochrane were a matter
of fact ; if -it were title that the Lord Chief Jus-
tice did
,make such a mistake in' his charge, and
which must have tended in a material way to•in-
fluence the Jury in their verdict,. it was sufficient
to remier a new trial necessary ; and for the re-
• filial of which, under all the circumstances, he
was unable to find any point of law, of reason, or
of justice. But let us look at the effect of the
rule which prevented- this new trial. If we sup-
pose six persons to be tried for a conspiracy, ti ••e
of whom are guilty, and one innocent, when the
innocent man apples for a new trial, the Court
refuses it : 'upon' what grounds ? -That he cannot
get the other persons found guilty to join him.
For his own part, he did• not know where a pre-
cedent for this rule was to he' found; but he be.
lieved it was very lately introduced in:o the Eaglish
system of jurisprudence; At all events it was pot
.justice to punish one man for the crimes oti an-
other, and he was unable to discover on what
grounds .snch a rule could be supported.---s
Lord Cochrane had also stated another matter,
Which) appeared to be very. material %: this was
respecting the notes, which, it appeared, he
could prove had got into De Berenger's hands
without his privity. If this were so, he could
certainly not vote for his expulsion, because this.
fact alone wOuld- Make a very material aiteratien
in the case. The Hon, Gentleman proceeded hi
• contend, that, by the sentence of expulsioc, the
House was called on to superadd au additional
punishment on the Noble. Lord ; and for this.ex-
pulsion, after what had appeared, he could not
posiibly give his vote. He hoped the House
.would at least pause, if it were merely to adjoura
the debate, to -give time for mature deliberation.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he really had a sort of
mistrust of his own judgment on. this occasion
but he must think highly of the character of-Par-
liament for 'justice ; and Gentlemen should en-
deavour to make up their minds what the func-
tions of Parliament were, and not deal in this par-
ticular case in any other mariner than that which
Would carry them their whole Parliamentry
ca-
reer. The House ought to consider the motion
of this night as one which was to lead to the ex-
pulsion
and the infliction of a Parliamentary pu-
nishment on the NOble Lord. • Nobody entertain-
ed a deeper impression than himself on this sub-
ject ; but if be thought that Parliament had cte
parted from its duty by not giving the NobleMern.
her art ()ppm:olll4y of purging himself of the charge,
add of 'proving his innocence, were it in their
pity& so tolls), he should be the last man to vote
in-favour of the motion. But unless Parliament
.were.prepared to open their doors to an extent
,unprecedented, they ought well to weigh the
question before them.. In his Niew of the casee...
the expulsion did not add any thing to the ignomi-
ny of the individual, or extend that sentence which
the law had passed upon 'din. He had always
understood that the merit of such a cast: could
not be properly investigated in Parliament ; anti
that, as Parliament were incompetent to .review
the sentence, they had only to decide that the in.
dividual was not a fit person to remain amongst
'They should
the
consider Councillorso
wast Country the
. ntil(olsetrscoii
lie
scsitt be
exposedhamp of c.el.
tsitell s e
hatredin t cis
ot. ofp
Persons ri
s(
)Countrys ti
or whether Parliament should expose itself hyet de-
cision, not merely of its own degradation; .hut •:
that e
whatever host;.was most exalted, ohost;.r a'i(ll(ilng most valuable,in the institutions
oesl)c
'ote:i f-tedeg
(l'
country.la As to sending the subject to a .
Committee above stairs, was the Hon. Gentle-
man prepared to let such a Committee sit in se-
crecy to hear evidence, and then for Parliament to
have again to judge of the case iii blind igno.
ranee of the particulars ? What criminal annoogst
them, however rare the cases might be, but would
thenceforward, when convicted, desire 'the House
to judge
,him over again ? He trusted that Par.
liarnent would not adopt this principle, unless
they thought that, with respect to their own
Members, they can retry all 'the cases that may
happen. He did not think that Parliament were
the tribunal to impeach the judgment .of th
Courts below. The only question on which Par-
liament ever proceeded was not a question of •
punishment, because it could not try ; the only
question that Parliament could consider was,
whether a pelsowlabouring under such a sentence

of a Court of Justice, was a fit person to sit in
that Hon e as a Representative of the Country 1
.I\Tr. sattART WORTLEY. was in favour of delay
in the derision, were it only for a few days. Was
it coi.isti-nt or just for the House to order the
V Lord to attend in his plaCe. only to hear
; h:oi to SRN', and then to dismiss, and ex-
pi I him ; and when he had appeared, they tern
upotr him and say, '' You have been found goilry
livll (.1 'your country, and it is of no use for
you to come here tiny more
Mr. 11AsuseS said, it Was evident that there Was
no third mode Of considering the question ; which
rescilved ltsdf precisely into the two points de-
scrihed by his Noble Vriend opposite (Lord
,a
.cry
The House would have performed
tery nugatory duty, and have acted a very ab.-
sord part, by allowing the Noble Lord to come
afore them, and then to prejudge his case. What
lead occurred had worked upon the minds of many
...Members
.a great doubt of hiS criminality ; and it
certainly became the duty of &cry-Gentleman,
with a doubt so impressed upon his mind, when
thN twestion Of expulsion came before him, to
waist that question. Yet by so doing they would
act indirect contradiction to every established pre-
cedent. There was no instance of the record of
COliviCtion of 0 Member of that House, which
had not been followed by his expulsion as a mat-
ter of course. His Noble Friend had taken a
right view of the iniestion ; and the House, with-
trio exercising any vindictive quality, was bound
to have a regarl: to the character of those, who
'remained in it-----(Hear, hear !) that they may not
br subjected to the odium of sitting down with a
man under the stigma of such a verdict.
Mr. WHITBREAD would not consent, whatever
might have been the conduct of the House on for-
mer occasions, to. vote for the expulsion of aa
Member who might by possibility be innocent.
lie was satisfied with the conduct of the Judge
and Jury on the trial, hut was anxious to de-
clare;rafter hearing the statement of the Noble
Lord; that the impression on his mind was, he
Blight possibly he wholly guiltless. Lisa Juror,
if he had a doubt on his mind, he must trcquit ;
and, havisns a doubt, if pressed to vote this night
—he must sly "• Not Guilty."
Mr. BATHURST noticed the language held by
Lord Cochrane on the conduct of the Noble Lord •
before whom he had been convicted in terms of
censure. TO appoint. a Comaaittee would he worse
than useless. The statement of the Noble Lord,
which had been deliberately prepared, urged no-
thing which might not be urged by any person
convicted of a serious offence. Many individuals,
whose guilt was proved beyond the shadow of a
doubt, had gone out of the world attesting their
innocence. The Noble Lord might have a Mo-
tive for asserting that which was not true: his
motive for making his. statement was to hold
sell up in the eyes of •Ifis constituents. If an
inquiry was made, into the case of Lord Coch-
rane, one must also be instituted with respect to
Mr. Cochrane Johnstone, for they conk' not
take upon themselves in this way to do justice
to one, -withont making the same attempt in
favour of the other. The Noble Lord had said
a systematic plan had been formed by hiS political
opponents to effect his expulsion and ruin.' He
might have learnt from his friend whose advice had
been quoted, and who had told him what he said
was never attended to, that be was not of such im-
portance in the House as to make any patty care
for his absence or his presence. if the.*Noble Lord
had not called forward those witnesses on his trial
which were necessary for his defence, he had no
one to blame but himself. He had since been able
to shew no grounds on which a new trial ought to
be granted.. The punishment to which he was
sentenced was disgraceful, but not more so than
was necessary to punish the crime of which he 'hat!
been convicted. He (Mr. Bathurst) could see no
reason for interfering with" the decision of the
Court, and was of opinion the Lord ought
not to continue a Member of. that House.

Sir P. BURDETT complained much of the aspe-
rity of the last speaker. He vindicated the con-
ei.ct of _Lord Cochrane in.:several respects, and
contended his cast hatl been grossly and cruelly
iuisrep:esented by the slight lion. Gentleman. He
(Sir F. Burdett) believed, on his honour and con-
set -vce, that his Noble Friend (for so he would
still call him) was as incapable of fraud as any
man n ho then heard-him. He should think him-
self ti e basest wretch in, existence if he had not
made this declaration, feeling, as he did for.the si-
tuation of the NOble Lord, and:remembering his
former services, which ought at least to have
pr,,•ectO him froth one part of the sentence—
(Hear !) That sentence he thought cruel, dis-
guSting,- 'and severe beyond all example. The
Noble Lord himself' was the only p:!rson he had
ltle.t with who was 110 t of this opinion. He (Lord
Coclirane) When. be (Sir F. Burdett) visited him
in the King's Bench had said, if guilty, the .vhole
of the sentence, and more than the whole had
been deserved. All sentences were to, him indif-
ferent, as, losirn his charac!er, he :had, lost almost
the' power of bearing his existence under -such-a
load of shame:" He could see no-objection to
referring the subject to a Select Committee.
Mr. W. WYNNE, as an adjournment had taken
pace in a sitnilar: case on a former occasion, was
willing in the present instance to givc, the Noble
Lord an opportunity of bringing forward any
poufs which he might wish to offer. Ile would
consent to an adjournment, not from any doubts
which he had in his own mind, but from deference
ti, ,-;"pinions of otheys•
A-
L(1 the e.pulsionof the. Noble
•Ll,re to be the necessaryconsequence of, the. sea-
giveii against him in the • Court pf King's

Tne SoLiciTcrii-GENEIIAL, in a
.most able
Frceeh, opposed ttle.motion for a Committee, and
defended the proceediugs which had taken_ place
sigainst the Nnide Lord. He could see noseason
for int,rrilvg with thedecisiou of the Court of
Eslo.t4,s and ulust.ote fur the expulsion of
the Wile Lord.

ord A .A'n I LTON could not vote for the
puision of the Noble Lord, on the recora of the'
fo. Bench alone. •
Art% WILBERFORCE felt it his duty to bow to the
dec;sipil of t:ie J u..;g.;:r and Jury by whop the case
been tried. He wisbcd.il to be consi.:',tre'l, if
tl;ey took up.ontSentselyes to interfere STith;lej:l-
oic.ili procetiklinj,;6of the C01.c..t of

LONDON,
IT-I.;,*DNESILWY. JULY 6, ISI4.

After a long-Debate iii 'the Commons House
last night, and a Defence of himself by Lord
CoctiaANE, that person and his Uncle, Mr.
COCHRANE JOHNsTONE, were expelled ; the latter
without a dissentient vote, and the former on a
division, in which the numbers were, Ayes 140,
Noes 44—Majority for the Expulsion 96. New
Writs have consequ6aly been ordeted for-West-
minster and Grampound,

The Princess.of NVALEs has written a Letter to
the SPEAKER, by which ' she has risen almost
i,e15,000 a-near in our estimation.

We refer to the Oazette for further accounts of
the late successful achievements in America. There
is, however, little of novelty in these details.

A few Extracts of Commercial importance wi!l
be found 'under the head of Dntch ;" also
a curious, and we should imagine, erroneous re-
port, that Belgium was to be governed by the
Queen of ETRURIA.

The Capture of the 'Essex has received further
confirmation, and now admits of scarcely a doubt.

Accounts have been received of the sailing of the
extra ships Lord Keith and Alexander from Ma-
deira on the 22d May, outward-bound, under con-
voy of his Majesty's ship Desiree.—Accounts have
likewise been received of the safe'arrival of the
last China Fleet in lat. 60. 5. N. long. 20. W. on
its outward-bound voyage.

An order has been sent from the Secretary of
State to the SherigS ofLondon,.to inflict the sen-
t:Tee of the pillory on Lord CocuittogE, &c. on
V..e.!;:es4y the 10th of Augusts, and on Mr. and
Irs, AsiEw on the 17th of August.

PRiNcEss OI WALIIS's Dank

T
TI4E SPEAKEtt.

f` The Princess 'WALELS desires SPitAKER
will acquaint the House of Crimmuns, that she
•has received from Viscount CASTLEREAtE, the
Copy of a Resolution voted yesterday inaCom-
mittee of the whole House; enabling•his MAJESTY
to grant out of the Consolidated Fund of 'Great
Britain the annual sum of Fifty Thousand Pounds,
for her maintenance : and'' the Princess of \VALES
desires Mr. SPEAKER will express to the House of
Commons her sincere thanks fur this extradrdivay
and unsolicited mark of its munificence.

The Princess of-WALEs At the,same time de-
sires Mr. SPEAKER will inform the House of .her
deep regret, that the Burthens of the People
should be at all increased on account of the cir-
cumstances in which she has been placed; and
that she cannot consent to any addition to those
Burthens beyond what her situation may appear
to require. That she therefore hopes the House
will re-Consider its Resolution, for the purpose of
limiting the Income now proposed to be settled
upon the Princess of WALss, to the annual sum of
Thirty-five ThOusand Pounds ; which will he quite
sualcient, and will be accepted with the liveliest
gratitude, as an unequivocal profu ihat the Prin-
cess of %VALES has' secured the good opinion and
protection of the House of Commons.
" Cunnaughs-House, July 5, ISM"

PRoOESVIOII TO S. PAUL'S.—The House of
Contino:)l have issued a printed Report of the
manner in which the Members are to proceed to-
morrow, to St. Paul's Cathedral. It is to be called
over at nine o'clock precisely. 'lte Minor Ca=
nobs and their friends are recommended to enter
the church by nine o'clock ; the Common Council
at ten, the Aldermen at the same time ; the Fo-
reign Ministers rather before that hour, in order
that their carria?.,es may not break into, or inter-
fere with the Procession of the Members of the
Houses of Patliantent and the Royal Family; and
the Members of both Houses to enter before
.eleven, that his Royal Highness the PRINCE RE-
GENT'S FAMILY may not be stopped or impeded in
going to church.

Yesterday the LORDTIIANCELLOR, the Earl of
LivEnrooL, and Viconat CASTLEREAGH, had. 81!-
diences of the PRINcr. I{I.,:GENT at C.-in.lton-house.
The QUEEN and. PraNcEssEs went to visit the
PRINCE REGENT yesterday, at two o'clock, and
returned at four lock to the Qacel!'s Palace.

His Royal pgincss the Dq!.c o CLANENCE IS
confined by an aqb matic complaint Itt. Bushy.

The Gazette of List night announces, the ap-
pointment of the Duke -of IVE:t..rot to the
honourable of of Ambassador Extraordinary
and PlenipOtentiary to the Court of France.—
Lord FITZROY SOMERSET is the Secretary of the
Embassy,

Yesterday the Mite of YoRI held a Levee at
his Office in the Horse Uttards, which was Ml-
merogsly attended.
The General Officer commanding the London
distriet,.has been officially liforitted that the sante
Staff would nut be continued after the 24th of the
present umnth.
On the 24th May, the Gloucester, 74, with six
transports, containing about 1200 men, arrived
at Bermetda, and sailed again on the 26th, for
Quebec.
TLte Prince Royal of PRUSSIA is detairred in
England byltidisposition from the measles, his
physicians deeming it unadvisable that be should
embark for, the Continent for several days ; the
Royal Sovereign yacht is:ordered to rem in at
Dover, to receivehis Royal Highness on his per-
feet recovery. •
Letters were yesterday obtained through France
from Cadiz to the 17th, and Madrid to the 21st
Serioui differences of sentiments and inte-
rest have arisen.between the Clergy and Nobility
of 'Spain, who, on the first appearance of the
counter-revolution tinder FERDINAND,- were so
unanimous.

At the Congress at Vienna, it is said, that the
amount of force to be kept up by each of the
Powers of Europe is, amongst other points, to be
determined Upon.
A general review of the French troops is ordered
to take place on the lsth, in order to ascertain
the actual strength of the army, and the number
of men in the hospitals.
'Tile Expedition which lately sailed from the
Garonne, is now far advanced on its way, and, on
its arrival, will give such an aticendancy on the op-
posite side of the Atlantic, as will not fail either
'to bring the American Government to due sub-
mission, or in the event of its zontinued obstinaey,
to produce a domestic explosion in the present
United States.

Letters have been received from Bermuda to the
29th May, which mention that Sir ALEXANDr.R
CocTIRANF, bad forwarded dispatches to Norfolk,.
in answer to others that had been received from the
American Government. They were transmitted
on the 17th May by a • Flag of Truce, and it waves
concluded. that they relate to the hostages, (Bri-
tish subjects) a few of whom were still detained.
The convoy for Bcripuda was to sail.the end o
June.

Peace .was proclaimed at Windsor on Miidal,
on cvhich occasion her MAJESTY gave a sump-
tuous dinner to two thousand of the, poor inhabi-
tants, and caused several hundred yards of sheet-
ing, with which the tables were covered, to be
divided among them. At night, 'Windsor and
Eton were very brilliantly iiltuninate4.
PEDESTRIANISM.—A Gentleman, of the name of
SWAN, walked on the Uxbridge-road, on ,Monday,
for a water of 200 guineas,6o miles in ten hours.
Foan;,the Ordinary of. Newgate, has re-
si;,ned that situation.
Coax F.KruANoe, JULY G.—There Wag no material altera-
tion in the pi ices this rivirning-, the sales in g•eneral.beiog het
dull, except in fineaits, which were in demand,and 13. dearer
Van uu Moaday.