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London, England, 1807-04-21 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS,

The Hon DENNIS BROWNE and Mr. u,Es
obiNi' took the Oaths and their Seati:
WEDDEEIWRN presented a Petition, from the
llaster,Calieb Printers of perth, against .the Calico
Printers' Bilh—Ordered Co lie upon the nazi'
the second reading of said Bill.
On the Motion fcir .he third reading of the East
Lon:Ion Water Works'liill, a Clanse wa4 proposed
by Mr. NI A NNIYQ, to restr;.iiii the Company within
lhnits ; on which a.division took place, when
Were appeared-Against the clause, i 5—,-For it, r 26—
Nlzij:Drity against
• . Waite strangers were excluded, another division
took but upor what point we did not learn.
The Bill v. read a third time, and passed. . •
MUrINV.AT ATE 1.1.0 RE. . -

Mr. HOlVO.trif, in a .tune Of., voice not very
au:',..:..)1;) to thc gallery, said, he thought it his-dtity
to cad att;:ritinti of tbe*House* to late dread-
ful Liv.itiny at V ell br C j a y , he. had
ev,ery rt-.‘:,son to think, had been' octrisibnea by an
measure, tending to violdte some
thr: eusteins
,of the natives. He wished to put a

-`;',.1.-stion to a Bight Hon. Gentleman opposite, as
hesidetit of the Board of COlitroul, according
176 !if: should receive, he'shonld, perhaps,
11,IS dUty to ".,found 'a Motion upon this
nsub-
-;!c.1-. He wished to-know whether, in consequence
vt t accounts received from. Madras, any steps
rind been takcni either to rettiove those persons who
Lave.lbeen.so obnOi,ious to the natives, or to attempt
,/.o.Contliattliose who,were so much irritated-?
IiUNDAS, as President of the Bo.ird .of
Coniroul, answered, that he could assure the flon.
6 ;11:12man, that- the Sobje.6 to Which he alluded had
,•
le.en of serious consideration with the Board
ContrOtth.-)' Previous to the appointment of the
iy..senyjioard,*the Court of Dire4tors did make a
ii,,olution a :o the changeS 'that were to 'take' place
the Madras' Eshihiishment. With .regard to the
causes of that unfortunate mutiny, he could, 'only
. that -dnring the very. 'days since the present
10.6 a have been 'appGinted, it wes impossible that
they could have; made up 1.:L.6- minds, or that they
::;:vii‘riscertain. that did 'aattally
The. 13oard having he en so employed,
I.,Lc.pthis whatever steps

vi:t. uC 1.1.1:-!,2,,d nece.gsary. •,
• Q:: L— •thac as •tlie qi3c,stior, was one
11, It the: 'twist serious consideration, he

should thiyik it would be advisable to delay a4r.t.,
ing ,any measures,, till the aVival of an Qt-ii,:er
whom :l e. to be upon his passage from India
to Ws country. The Oa-leer he alluded to was Sir
John Crraddoek, who;-from his situation at Madras,
had had an opportunity of investigating the whole
attair-,-and who, therefore, would be able to state
"tilt • i)articul.:irs with-more • teeuraey than --coultt be
done in any written dispatches.
On the Motion of Lord CASTLERFAGII, Sir Fitz-
gerald, Hill was ordered to attend in his place on
fiViokiday se'nnight.
Mr:WirrriaiAD'presented a Petition front a Mr.
Waterbons'e Cricuble Lindsay, who had been Captain
Of a Yeomanry Corp's,. in• ilia,County.of-Tyrope, in
_lreland, praying for some relief, on_ account-of very,
severe losses he and :liis family had sustained,
(hiring the Rebellion in that Contitry, while using his
best ekertions in supp'ort of the King and Consti-
tution.

Mr; STEWART and Mr. Wic in .m, bore testimony
to the veracity of the assertions in the Petition; and
it was accordingly ordered to- be laid upon the table.
-Lord HENRY PF.;TTY.: postponed the second read:-
ing-of the National Debt Redemption. Bill till this.
day se.'nnight, on'accouut of the Loan Interest Bill,
with which it had some connexion, still depending
in the HonSe of Lords.
GLEBE HOUSES IN IRELAND.
Mr. ./FICK.H.4/1/ rose, in -pursuance of a.notice
he had given, and made a speech of considerable
length, explanatory of the
_state of the 'Protestant
Chtirch in Ireland. It had been long a matter of
great complaint and_ grievance, that the Protestant
Clergy.-had- been so ill provided for, while their
duties had been greatly increased by the union of
many parishes into one. die concluded with mov-
ing—" That a Sele& Committee be appointed, to
take into consideration the several Ads of Parlia-
ment relating to the building, re-buildiiig, and keep-
ing in repair Glebe Houses, in Ireland, and pur-
chasing Glebe. Lands ; inquiring into the, returns
made of the Churches, and the Reports as to the
union of Parishes made in 1803 and 1806, respec-;
tively ; to 4„xamine said Papers, and to ascertain how
tar the
ssaiu Acts have been etfecaive or inadequate,
and to. report their opinion thereon to the House."
Dr. DUIGENAiV. said, that most of the unions
complained of had taken, place under the patronage
of the Crown, particularly:an the county of Kerry.
He admitted, however, that many grievances bad
thence arisen, and thierefore it was a. fit subject for
inquiry. He'believed that a more oppressed set of
inch did not exist any where than the Parochial
Clergy in Ireland. They did not enjoy one-titih of
what theywere entitled to, the great majority of them,
not haying 2001. a-year. He therefore seconded_the
moiion. '

Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that many erro-
neous claculations had gone forth as to the: actual
number of inhabitants in Ireland. The number,as'
laid down by Mr: I.oshe; in the Irish PhilosophiCal
TranSa&ions, amounted. to upwards • of _four mil-
lions. " Although' the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland
had the power of disuniting parishes, he had not
found any instance in which they had, done
The state of the Proteitant Chord) of Ireland . did
require the 'attention of,the House, and he Was sure
they could net bestow their labours better than in
discussing- such an inquiry.
The CHANCELLOR of the EYCILECNER
. .
said, he should certainly for
Wait' the objectof the
.Motion.. He believed (be money directed to be ap-
plied for the benefit of the Church, by the Ads in
1802; had never been properly applied. " ;Many of
the unions had beendireded by the Privy Council,
on account of some of the pariShes .not being ade.
quale to the maintenance of a -clergyman; The pro-
posed inquiry,' therefSre, appeared to be one Of the
most useful ads the Souse could engage,lo-' One
objed on this side of the water had been, to secure
the resiclepce Of the Clergy, but such lin °hied
could not be,aimed at in Ireland, as till such time
they had parsonage houses to reside in.
Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD stated, that,
to his knowledge, 'some, of the Livings, M the South
of Ireland amounted to 10001., to-13901., and some
even to 30001. a year and Ids& that, iu same in-
stances, :where a consolidatiOn of Livings and
Parishes had -taken .plaCe, -aidatiention tO
pious duties of the people had been reversed; for no
place of religious worship was provided. within , the
reach of ttie inhabitants ; nor'could such parisioners
obtain baptism tor their children,'or the other rites
of the Church ; "and the consequence was, that the.
Protestant inhabitants, in such places, had digap-
Feared. He hoped, therefore, that,a strict investk
gation would. be set oti foot, with a view of correct-
ing such abuses.
11 Mr. thought, that the Rouse ought
to be put in possession of "circunistances so material
'as those hinted at by the Hon. Gentleman. The
,population. of Ireland, as computed by, Mr. Bushe,
amounted, in the year 1788, to 4,800,000
iohabi-
tants the population of England and Walei, as the
Coisus was taken in 1801, was 9,200;00o; from
-thi‘i. it appeared, that the calculations of- the Hon.
and, Learned Gentleman .(Dr. Duigenan) were
formed upon mistaken data.
.L'Vr. A.r. INC HAM spoke in explanation ; after
which the Resolution, as moved by him, was put and
carried ; and a Select Committee of Inquiry was ap-
pointed accordingly. .
ASSESSMENTS OF.IRISH GRAND iums.
Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD stated the
amount of Assessments- imposed 'by the Grand
Juries of Ireland, for the repairing :of roads and
bridges, to be of a magnitude beyond. expectation.
By the l'Qturns on the Table, an annual sum was
stated as. exceeding half .a million, exclusive of the
heavy levies imposed for turnpikes, and the mainte-
nance of communications between the high-roads,
in addition to 'considerable sums for opening and
repairing cross-roads, which sums it' was 'to 'be
expected Would increase: Thus a"Stuu equal tdone-
fth of the' whale revenue of the country was raised
in Ireland for the - sple purpose of making- and
repairing' roads. Such a revenue
*ought to be Con-
ducted with the. Most economical. management.
The object -01-his intended MOtion was, therefore,
to regulate. the Assessment of 'the Grand 'Aries 3 and
i in h. • ' lienilipose tint
orcv.sr to tshould c rents under
~
. .
sik pont-ids-a year exeMpted from Grand
Jury A.sessinents, and'that this tai shotitd be levied
on the true prAnciple, that those on whom' it was im-
pOseci should:have a se.n.*,l6 interest in the tax to be
16-led, and that the Grand Jurvmen who imposed
this tax should themselves f•Jel. somewhilt kif the

border!. lie meant. also to propose some regula-
tioos respelling .presentationS by Grand Juries:ln
Irelandi,aod a more rigid mede of calling persons to -
account for the suns raised, •and the disbursement
of thens. He proposed, with the leatre of the House,
to bring in a Bill to remedy these evils, and that
such Bill should lie over until next Session, to give
titoe, for its examination by_the G•raud.deries afire,
laud ; ;at the, same time he did not mean to trench
upon the ancient powers.of these Grand Juries, but
only to subje& the exercise of their power to Stria
regulations. It was' necessasy,. at the present junc-
ture, to attend to the state of the people of Ireland ;
at a moment when every man who 'supported-Ale
Union had his views completely blasted, and when -
the recent Administration was founded on an in-
terdid to meet the wishes of that Country, and had .
accepted office on condition of intercepting the Com-
munication of politiCal privileges to a:large:class of ,
that community ; and when it had evenbeeoine mat
ter of consideration, whether it was any thing better
than a mere nominal Union which had taken place;
it became especially necessary to consider what .1)-
ordinate measures could be undertaken for Alle.
befiefit of Ireland. He concluded with moving for
leave to. bring in a Bill to alter aud.,emend: the -
Laws relating to the levying of Money by Grand
Juries in Deland.
he CHAKCELLOR of the E.I.:CREQUER,
said, he by no means objcaed to the introdu&ion of
this measurer. nor should he oppose it in its progress
through the House; any more than he would ob-
stimet the progress of any: .measure calculated for
the real benefit -and happiness of that Country ; he
rose merely for the purpose of rebutting the
founded charge of the Hon.' Gentleman, with re-
sped to the-supposed principles of those with whom
he now awed in his Majesty's Administration. He
assured that Hon. Gentleman, that there was no
thought more foreign from his heart, than that of in-
tercepting the wishes of that kingdom from ap-
proaching the ear of his Majesty or' of that House ;
'nor was any duty more' present to his mind than
that of 'promoting the interests, tranquillity, and
prosperity of that part of the United Kingdom.---:
Such; he would most distindly state, should be the
object of any counsel he might be called, Upon to
give respecting Ireland. He must, at the same
time, enter his protest against the idea of the Hon.
Gentleman, that it was doubtful whetlier the Union
betWixt -Great Britain and Ireland was produdive
of any advantage, •or was any other than nominal.—
Such a suggestion, if trot noticedonight lead persons
to suppose that a doubt was even entertained in
Parliament whether that great national measure
shotild be- rescinded ; but considering, as he did,
that the interests of the Nation at large were .em-
braced in it, so as that it would be productive of the
greatest mischief if Parliament should suffer this ,
-contract to be agitated,' he could not therefore suffer
.Such an idea as this to be thrown out in silence, be-
lieving, as he did,
._that neither that Heuse nnr the
Empire ,at large would indulge for A rtitiment such
a serious thought.
Mr. /PARNELL wished that the condua of the-
Right ;-ion. Gentleman had been such, as not to en-
courage such an expression as that made use of by .7
14 Hon. Friend (Mr. Fitzgerald) ; but if' prejudices
were set afloat to the prejudice of a large body of
our fellow-subjects in Ireland, was it surprising if
the feelings of Gentlemen belonging to that part of
the .EMpire should be aroused to the use of strong.
expressions ; „,
Mr. 1177LBERFOICE said he shOuld give. his
support to the Motion. It gave him great pleasure
when Gentlemen from that part of the United King-
dom called the attention of the House to the,cone
sideration of the interior situation of Ireland,- and
gave any information upon the subje&. He could
not but think that if they took more frequent pp-
portunities of enlightening the House upon the. real
state of Ireland, they would do a most essential ser-
vice to their country, and be was sure they would
find most attentive auditors in the Members of this.
part of the United Kingdom; who would as zealous-
ly and anxiously promote the interests of their fellow-
subjeasinfreland as those whom they more immediate-
ly represented. With respect to the general question
concerning the Catholics, this was not the tirtie to
enter into it—but he could not but call to mind the
opinion given respecting Catholic Emancipation upon
a memorable and unfortunate occasion by a person
who must be supposed to have consideraale know-
ledge upon the subject. He alluded to tde .eXarni-
nation of a person who was a leading nun in pro-
moting and fostering the Rebellion in
When he was asked whether he thought the Etnan:
cipation of the Catholics, as it was cali':d; would
,have tranquillized the people of that counety ?"He
,answered,- that they did not care about it—that it
was of no more value to them than tde,,ink of his
pen. .Whether this person was correct or, not in his
.opinion, he could not tell ; but he was sure that if
the Gentlerneu of Ireland would frequently call the
attention of the 'United Parliament ao tie real situa-
tion of the interior of Ireland, much night be done
to ameliorate- the condition of the pevle 'of that
country. If Irish Gentlemen, and MeinherS of Par-,
liament, would study endpoint out measures cal.'
culated to promote the internal comfort and prospe-
rity of Ireland, they would do far mare real service
to their country than by recriminating upon those
Who could not hazard ihe strong measures they
:might wish. Whatever difference of opinion there
might be as to higher questions of policy, all,. he
trusted, would concur • in endeavouring to promote
the reformation of the abuses in that Country ; and
with this view, he wished it to be considered, whe-
ther it might not, be possible for the voluntary exer-.
tions of the-great landholders themselves to correa
these abuses ?
Mr. FmomiALD, in •explanation, stated his. mo-
tives and, expedations in voting for the Union.
His motion was then put, and carried, and leave
was given to bring in a Bill accordingly. •
On the Motion of Mr. WICKHAM, the several
papers relative to the Glebe Lands, in Ireland, were
ordered to be printed. •
The Innkeepers' Allowance sill, the Traders' As-
sets Bill, and the Oak Bark Bill, were severally read a
third titre-and passed.—The Report of the Com-
mittee. on the London Port Bill, was brought up
‘v hen the Report was ordered to. be committed.—
Th'. Parish Apprentice Bill went through a Com-
mittee.. The other Orddrs of the Day were deferred.
Adjourned. .

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TUESDAY, Apigr. 21, 1807.

No intelligence whatever reached town this morn-
.
itig from the CoOtinent. A report was circulated yeS-
terclay, that the French had evacuated Hamburgh,and
that the Swedish TioQps had taken possession of that
City. Th'is report was founded .upon 'a 'Leiter from.
Elsineur, but tip'ou an examination of dates, it doe-:
not appear entitled to any credit,

We have made some farther ExtraCts from the Po.
reign Papers, respeaing the Negotiation with the
Porte, and we have strong reason to fear that the
opinion which we expressed on Saturday, in oppo-
sition to. most of our Contemporaries, that the Ne.
:gotiation bad failed? will prove to be top well
founded.

THE opponents-of the present NTinisters seem to
entertain very serious apprehensions that a dissolue
tion of Parliament will speedily take place, and so
eager are they to reprobate that measure, that they
will not stop to consider whether their arguments are
consistent, or even whether they do not press more
strongly against themselves than against their adver-
saries. It is boldly asserted, that a great majority of
the People concur with the late Ministers upon the
question which led to their dismission. If thew
v('ho make that assertion really believe(' it, a 'disso-
lution of Parliament would he to them-a subje& of
trinmph rather than of regret. They do not seem
to, consider how much they ,cenfess the badness of
their own cause by displaying this uncommon sore
'less, even upon a hint of a diSsolation. The opi-
nions of the KiNe, the Loyd*, and Commons, are
known to be decidedly against the late. Ministers Up-
en -the measure which caused their removal from
office this cannot be denied, because those opinions
haye been most distintitly and unequivocally pro-
nounced; but their advocates contend, that the
measure was in general popular : then Why should
they dread an appeal to the Public, whose senti-
ments, they say, are in unison with their own ?
Why should they be unwilling to have their' ceedu4
debided upon by the only Tribunal which they Issert
is favourable to their cause The real faa is, the
late Ministers know, that with respe& to their con-
dua to his MasEsTx on the, Catholic Bill, th% pilb°
lic opinion is decidedly against them. They Weed
", deny if with their tongues, but they confess it
by their fears." The Addresses to His MAJB4Trt
Which .are pouring in from all quarters, have, Sct
thoroughly convinced them upon this subje&, that
ft is not surprising that they should be unwilling !G'
have recourse to the only other criterion by which
the public vpinion can be known.

Hsi MAJESTY is expeaed in town to-marrow.
Yesterday the Princess . cbrARIO9TTE of WALFiI
with Lady DE CLIRTORD, deftitun House on 4,
visit to Blackheath.

His Royal Highness the Duke of Cti-,2l3Ent.Azil?
has resigned the qui-11E11am.! of the South West pis'
tritt.

Private letters by the Denmark Mail contain ini
telligence of a recent date from St. Petersiyirgh.
neral Duaoc had arrived in that city, wiw pacific
proposals from BoNAPKRTE to the Emperor ALE
AI•rDER, " His Imperial Majesty, however, retese4
hint an interview ; and the only reply of the Kos'
sian Minister was, that his Imperial Master woui4
listeh to no terms but in concert with his Allies;
that the -preliminary stipulation would be, that P°'latid'and Germany should be entirely evacuated by
the Fiench Troops. M. Novosti.Tzon, had set oic
for .Mcuel, on a special mission to his Pi ussian
jesty.
A- Gentleman who left flushing three .days agc,
.and has arrived at. Dover, states, that it was conk'
dently rumoured there in the private circles, that up:
wards 0110,000, men of the French' army in Poland
were known to have died through fatigue and want
of proviSions. It was also reported, that the French
had suffered another severe defeat about 14 days ag°!
There is a fine new frigate, Of 44 guns, lying at that
port ready for sea, threeneW ships of 74 guns each,
-and three frigates are expeCted there from Antwerp'
in a short time, to be fitted, but manned they cal':
not be from that part of the coast, as every soidie:
• and `sailor arc-gone to the army, and the inhabitant'
are called out twice a day to praCtice small arms."'
A great part of the Boulogne flotilla is likewise er
peCted at Flushing this month, • or the next.
The Konzgsturgh Gazette, of the 26th March'
contains the official report of General BENNIGS I4'
relative to the battle of Eylan, of which so OWN
accounts are already before the public.
• Tile General states, that the Russian Army, ,t
0
Consequence of various detachments made trot" l
was only 70,0, while the French army amountei
to 80,000. It ill.
" The battle, which began about three o'cinc ,d,
the afternoon of the 7th February, lasted till 0,
night of the following day ; the loss of the enerri4:
says the General, according to their own accoti'd,
amounted to 30,000 killed, and 12,000 wounct`,.
2iOoo were made prisoners, and 12 eagles tak
Ohr.loss consists of 12,00 P killed, and 7900
ed. k"ourteen French Generals were 161 e'ecl,
wounded.. ' Nine of pur Generals were wiAt''ai
but most of • them 'sb, sli&htly that they have area dd.
rejoined the army. This Aleport is &vied i
BEN:NIG,SEN.7