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'he elect, would ha to till u the clamty almobt into n
borotv,l,. The new franchiKe as proposed by this Bill
would not give an addition of five to the constituency
Engla ui and Scotland were to receive a great increa,e,
while Irel :nd was to he diminished. Why should not
property he equally represented in Ireland as in England?
was it supposed that the pevle of Ireland were 8,
stupid-as not to feel this? He entertained no jealousy fur
the English Bill. He would vote for it willingly, but doing
so, he had a right to appvr.l to his fellow Reformers in

England, and to ask - than whether Ireland shouNt
not be entiOed to the sante privilezes as England ?
Government was not to suppose that Ireland would not
feel insulted if ther did !tot give slime degree of privilege,
to Ir.!! it!d; such as EnglAnd enjoyed. Tile Hon. Mem-
ber wished not to be mi.understood. Ile had stt ppm ted tht
Reform treasure as far as it regrrded Engllnfi, and In

would support it still, ewn if it Were a measure affecting
England alone. England had the 40s. freeholders retained.
Ireland had the Os. freeholders taken away, and

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away too without any crime, notwithstmomg tne vcr
basis of the Union wag founded upon the ,hos. franchise.
lie, however, wanted not to split hairs—he wished only
to have a substtntial Reform—a stiltsttnt:al Ruf,mn wa,

about to be +granted tolF.ugland, and lie wished the sine
to be presented to ireland. He was persuaded that unless
it was, the question of the repeal of the Union could not
be put down, and in Lis conscience he thou -ht it ongl,l

nut to be put down.
Mr. SHEIL's conviction was, that when a change w,is
about to he made affecting Ireland) it should be on such
principles as might be reasonably expected to subdue the
ferment of the Irish people's mind. He quite agreed with
Mr. O'Connell, g hat the way to get over the question of
a dissolution of the Union was to grunt to Ireland, anti that
promptly too, something like justice. If a sub-
stautial Reform were granted to Ireland, he thought
the subject of the repeal of the Union would at least
for tome years be set at rest. It bad been a great satisfac-
tion to him to hear the Secretary for Ireland, on the
first day of the opening. of Parliament, stat,, that some
circumstances shoul.l be brought forwatd to satisfy
the Irish public that benefit resulted from the Union. No-
thing could be more desirable than for such circumstances
to be brought forward. What had Government yet done ?
Nothing. As regarded the yeomanry, and particularly
with respect to the laic affray at Newtownharry, he could
not help thinking that their conduct had been most re-
prehensible, and that the sooner that hand was discharged
the better for the peace of Ireland ; because, con-
stituted as it was, it was almost impossible, to ex-
pect on any occasion anything like real justice. If
he were asked what remedy he would point out for the
state of Ireland, he would say—let Government, before the
passions of the people were more inflamed, take sure effective
measures for allaying the agitation that prevailed. If they
had received any official information cn the subject (of the
late melancholy affdr, they ought to bring it before the
House and act upon it at once. if the Magistrates were
guilty
of impropriety, or if the yeomanry were guibv, then
let the one be removed from their commissions, or the other
deprived of their arms. Procrastination would be prmluc-
tive of the greatest evil.
Mr. J. GRATTAN was as anxious as any man ;n that
House to support the present Ministers, but he felt bound
to deprecate, in the strongest terms, the organising of the
yeomanry of Ireland. The conduct of the yeomanry had
worked an evil which it would take long and great mea-

sures to overcome. If Government for a moment sup-
posed that the peasantry and the public of Ireland would
permit this affair to rest where it was they were mistaken.
Ile felt bound also to conjure the Government to lose
no titne in taking measures to prevent the intended pro-
c:tsions of the Orangetnen on the I:2th of July, which had
been alluded to. In conclusion, he took leave to say,
th -tt unlosa some very prompt and effective steps
were taken by the Government for the relief of Ireland,
he, for one, should certainly consider it his duty to urge
upon the House at least the most serious re-consideration
of the repeal of the Union. The late Chancellor of the
Exchequer might laugh, but it was no laughing matter
for any person who felt for the distressed state of unfor-
tunate Ireland ; and it was utterly impossible for him or
any other individual to entertain anything like a solid
opinion that the Union could be continued, unless some
active measures were taken for the benefit of Ireland.
Mr. LEFIdOY was directly opposed in opinion to
those who thought it right to take up every sort of con-
jecture for the purpose of throwing reflections on the
conduct of the Yeomanry anti Magistrates, respecting the
Newtownbarry affray.
Lord ALTIIORP was of opinion that it was utterly
impossible for the House to take any proper course, except
that of silence on the subject, whilst the coroner's inquest
was going on. If the discussions were continued from
time to time before the termination of the inquest, they
could only be productive of gnat mischief. and in which
he trusted Fh Members would agree with him.
Mr. LAMBERT could not hear what had fallen from
the Hon. Representative of Dublin University, in reference
to Reform, without making one tilpervation, funded on
his own knowledge of the state of public opinion generally
throughout Ireland. He had the honour to represent a
county which, at all events, had proved itself most E..
vourable to the Reform Bill. In the late Parliament he
was the only Member favourable to the measure, and now
there were four instead of one.—(Bear.) As far, there-
fore, as the county of Wexford was concerned, he would
deny that Ireland was anything but generally, if not una-
nimously, in favour of the Bill.
Mr. O'CONNELL sail that the property and intelli-
pence of Ireland were almost wholly on the side of the
Reform Bill. But the Honourable Representative for
Dublin University would say. that the Anti-Reformers
of Ireland were constellations of talent, intelligence,
and wit. He would he very sorry to depreciate the
talents of Honourable Members, which confessedly
were so transeendant. The Hon. Gentleman himself, the
Member for Dublin University, had already spoken, and
his speech would prove to that House that there was an
immensity of talent, and intelligence, and popular principle
upon his side. As to the people of Ireland, all he
claimed for them on this subject was, that they knew the
difference between the sale of seats in that House, and the
whole of the odious horoughmongering system, and the
true legitimate and constitutional representation of the
people.---(Hear.)
Mr. O'CONNELL then obtained leave to bring up the
petition for the repeal of the Union.
" THE ENEMY'S CAMP."

On the question, moved by Lord ALTHOBP, that the
House resole itself into a Committee on the Customs kets—
Sir HENRY HARDINGE said, that seeing thes Hon.
Member for Middlesex in his place, he wished to advert to
a subject which had been started a few days ago. It arose
out of a statement, or opinion, given by the Right lion.
Member for Tamwolth (Sir Robeit Peel), that certain
seditious and disgusting publications were the authorship
of the parties from whioh they purported to have proceeded.
'
The Hon. Member for Middlesex, on the other band, had
insisted that they were written by persons "in the enemy's
camp"_that is to say, that the authors of them were men
who there professed opinions verjitieiffftrent from the senth.
ments they really enteiteine.l. f
the lion. Member for Middlesex heandlyainsdomam'titteetrelit.dt:hmatis.hni-lniag;
he had at first broadly asserted was
As he (Sir H. Hardinge) bad said on a formerurioni
ion were true, no punishment could be too severe
for this suspicion
for such a treacherous libeller ; and, without attaching too
much importance to the matter, he might, perhaps, be
allowed to ask the lion. Member for Middlesex whether
he was able to substantiate the assertion, that the publica-
tion came from the " enemy's camp," or whether he was
prepared to admit that be had made an improper state-
ment?
Mr. HUME was certainly not at all prepared to admit
that he had made an improper statement ; on the eon-
he was prepared to re-say what he had said on the
eon-
teary, The Right Hon. Baronet (Sir Robert Peel)
framer day,
en a former day had argued that certain publications, such
as the Republican, for instance, were actually written by
the parties who stood ostensibly forward, while he (Mr.
Hume) bad then some reaspn :or beltieving that Mr. lie-
was only the print >r o in the way of his
therington
trade. On a subsequtnt day, the Hon. Member for Dun-
dalk came forty d, as be contended, prepared to show that
these publica.tions emanated from the Political Unions,
which political Unions were encouraged by him (Mr.
Hme). To establish it, a letter, of which he (Mr.
Houme), was the author,
w end the sentiments of ri hiby no
ch he
did not retend to dison,
.was p
p roduced, but d
the point for which it was employed. On
means prove
(Mr. Hume) had taken upon himself to
that occasion he
deny the correctness of the statement of the Right Hon.
Baronet (sir B. Peel), and he had done so on the autho-
r'manuscripts
of of the 11th and 18th numbers of the
be received from Mr. Hetherington,
IvelhePourbeiceiav4e'd them from a person of the name of Lorimer,
who purported to be
itheeicre author. It happened that this
veryenoning, be bat r ived a very curious letter from
Mr. Lorime, who seemed to anticipate that the subject
would be this night mentioned. It was addressed to
wou
" Citizen lionlet M.P., 7, Bryanston.square," and it
began,
went.. R
on to say,
"Respected Fallow Citizen."—(Laughter.) The
w
that perceiving by the Morning
Chmroenbeicler :
of which Mr. Hume was
a riter
ri.it?heeptiar/illy
Republican had been noticed by him as
Member
emanating front the enemy's camp en •
eaning the mtstra, 'e
Anti-Reform Opposition), the writer took the liberty
Hume
rectifying this absurd error into which Mr. ' had