The Sun.
London, England, 1814-03-31 00:00:00

SPEECH OF THE SPEAKER.

NORTON' Ivished to learn from the Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Ponsonhy) if he could, now
fix the day when his Noble Friend (Lord Morpeth)
.iitted" to bring the subject of which he had
furmvrly given notice undez• the consideration of
the House.

I'uNaC)YBY stated in answer, that his Noble

bringing the subject befoie the House.
IN trio thought the day would be incon-
venient to many Members.
• Mr. PONSONBY said, his Noble Friend would
not, consent to any farther pcntponement; though,
perhaps, he might agree to bring it on a.feW days
earlier-for example, on the Monday preceding.
With regard to the convenience of Members, he
apprehended that it had not been-eonsnited in the
recent adjournments.; and on many questions of
a public nature, it was impossible that it could be.
consulted. He could not, in the name of his No-
ble.. Friend, consent to anylurther•delay.
Mr. NORTON then moved, that the„ House be
called over on Friday, April 22,
Mr. BANKES expressed a wish to know what
shape the question was likely to assume.. Every
Member bad aright to expect previous informa-
tion •respecting any proceeding to be instituted
against him ; and the same justice was-Undoubt-
edly due to the distinguished individual whose
conduct
,it was intended to bring under the cog-
nizance of the HOuse.

. \II. TIEItNEY said, that ample information
would be given, and that the Noble Lord, the
moment he -had made up his mind, would give
them notice, though there was no reason why
the House should be put in possession of the na-
ture of the motion a fortnight previous to the dis-
cussion.

. Mr. B. BATHURST said, that questions similar to
that of the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Bankes)
had been often put on behalf of the House, which
was certainly placed at present in an unusual si-
tuation. The House did not know what ,the
tore of the motion would be, and had ,a right" to
expect some information respecting it. He hoped
the Noble Lord would put the House in posses-
sion of the nature of his motion at as early a pe-
riod as
.possible.
aft% W. WyNNT said, there was no parliamen-
tary•ride for giving notice at all ; antrthe only.
reason for giving it was, in order to collect a suf-
ficient attendance of Metubers. The House had
no right to expect any nOtice
The .CNINCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was of
opinion, that as a charge was to be preferred
against the Chair, the nature of that charge
should be stated, and rash charges should not be al-
lowed to be inade—(Hear from the Opposition).
Mr. WYNNE.--Every Member has- a ~right to
make, a charge ; and should bring it forward, if
he deemed it well founded.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER resumed,
and stated, that charges should be made with due
deliberation, and that the House should be put
in possession of all the facts connected with 'any
particular charge.
Mr. WHITBREAD.—The Right Hon. Gentleman
did not seem to know the rights of the House.,--,
If any thing could prevent his Noble Friend from
giving previous notice of the nature of his motion,
it should be the term allowed—(Hear, hear
You, Sir, (said Mr. Whitbread, turning to the
Speaker), must recollect an instance of a motion._
made without any previous notice, by a Right
Hon. Gentleman, then Secretary of State (Mr.
Canning), when it was thought that some un-
founded strictures bad been made upon your con-
duct. He (Mr. W.) should be sorry the exact
words of the motion should not be previously
communicated to the Chair; but he would not be
compelled to give them a day earlier than at first,
intended, from any thing that had then been said.
. Mr. WALLACE.--His Right Hon. Friend never
intended to call in question the privileges of the
House; or to deny the rights of its Members ;.nor
did the term allow warrant any such inference.
That term was applied only to the power of the
House, and he trusted the• House would, not al-
low such a charge to be brought forward without
proper notice.
Mr. PoxsoNny.—lt was possible the Right
Hon. Gentlemati might have used the term in the
sense ascribed to it by the last Speaker ; though
he himself had thought he intended to say, that,
in this case, the House should exert its authority.
By the usage of the House, a general notice only
was giyen. Were the case otherwise, instead of
notices, the motions
,themselves should be enter-
ed on the Journals, and exhibited in the lobby of
the House. The Noble Lord would act with due
caution; though he would not submit the words
of his motion to any man, till he had submitted
them- to the House itself., Of the nature of the
'motion, none- could be ignorant, which went to
disapprOve of a speech made at the close of the
last Session, at the ,bar of the House of Peers ;
and what more had ever been required ? Were it
in his power to communicate the precise words of
the motion, he would cot 'do it, on account of,
such an unreasonable demand.

Mr. T. COUiTENA'Y thought it was of great
importance for the House to know the grounds
of the motion.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUPE said, he
bad been much misunderstood. it never had been
the practice of the House to take a charge into
consideration on the same day on which it had
been preferred ; and he thought the HOUse would
scarcely allow a deviation from its regular course
of proceeding.
Sir J. NEWPORT.—The House bad been put in
possession of the grounds of the Motion at the
commencement of the Session ; and, the attend-
ance of Members would be enforced by a call of
the House. There existed no necessity for the
precise wordi being communicated, and he 'hoped
no such communication would be made.

The question was then put, that the House he
called over on the 22d of April, and carried in the
affirmative.—Adjourned.

A mare, the property of SIPLRY, Grosve-
nor-street, was backed to go 50 miles in five
hours; a month since; The animal started Yester-
day on the .Hantingdon-road, and did 14. miles in
the first hour, 13 in-the second, 11 in the third,
and other 12 in 57 minutes. Time was backed at
6 and 7 4. The mare, which is six years old,
was sold on the ground for 1501. She was rode
by two boys, who relieved. •
CHILD DROPPING.—A deSerted male child was
found at the door of Mr. IPSLRY, in Bird-street,
on Tuesday evening. The infant was apparently
about three months old, and was carefully scrapped
in flannel. The Parish Officers have the child to
be owned;

I Ur. VY 1 An

Bow -STRrET.---Yesterday was the day aipoint-
cd for a second eN:ataination of John Mason, alias
John Henry' Alcides, and• Andrew Thompson, alias
fluttery two of the principals in a gang of swill&
lets. Soon after being placed at the bar, the pri-
soner, Thompson, agreed that a - closet in the
Chambers of Clement's-inn, which he had refused
to have opened on his first examination,,shottld
be broken open, and the papers which it con-
tained brought to the Office. On their tieing:ex-
amined, they corresponded with those seized, on
their first apprehension generally ; but they were
so extremely numerous, that it was impossible to
examine theft' contents particularly: many of them
purported to be law papers, similar to those at any
regular attorney's office, such as cases for counsel,
briefs, and papers in Chancery, with theprisorter
Thompson's name at the bottom. •
Mr. BA)tav attended.for the prisoners, and ap-
plied to Itlr. MIRES for the return of all the pa-
pers that did not relate to the charges against
them. Mr. ALLEY, on the part•Of the prosecu,-
tion, objected to this, at least till they had been
inspected by Messrs Bishcp and Phillips, the. at-
torn:ys . at who -had undertaken to
carry on the prosecution •
ARES agreed to this, and stated, that it
Was his determination, if in any of the papers it
was found that ThompSon had been acting as an
attorney, he shotkld be prosecuted for that-offence.
Since their apprehension, art attempt had been
made to put a plausible tale upon their proceed-
ings, by some of.their gang pretending to open a.
house in Portland-street; as the insurance-office,
for which they had issued the advertisements for
youths as clerks. The swindlers called it the
London, ;Vliddlesex,,and 'County Weekly Benefit
Life Insurance-office; and are said to have ob-
tatted various sums by it.. -The whole was prin-
cipally intended as an allurement for the poorer
classes to subscribe one shilling a week. in the
course of the examination, Shepherd, the youth
imposed upon, stated, that Thompson told him,
that Mason, who was at. the head of the Insitranee
Office, was a rich old fellow, who would in fact
receive the 351. paid for the appointment ;_ but
that they were obliged to act, with much caution
now, as Mrs. Clarke had made it very dangerous
to have any thing to do with the sale-of places.
also, stated that lie gave Thompson a protnis-
sory note for five guineas,payable in two months;
tor .his agency in the business.
This ease being gone through, Mr. ALLEY said
he considered both prisoners concerned in fraudu-
lently obtaining the money:and thought that
Thompson should be detained on a charge of- fOr-
gery, having signed and uttered the name of Hut-
ton to the receipt, unless he, could prove that
some person. of the name of Hutton authorised
him to sign it.
The Magistrate .was•of a different opinion, and
suspected that the Judges would consider the
signing of the receipt, as a, part of thifraudulent
transaction, as they did in the case of the King
agqinst Young.
The next case gone into was a similar one to
the above, with George Crow, -a youth 16 years of
age, the son of Mrs.• Crow, who keeps the gate
at the Stable-yard, St. James's, from- whom
Thompson obtained 30/. for a place in the In-
surance-Office. .

Samuel Maine, the uncle of the youth, stated,
that he answered the advertisement referring to
Veele's Coffee-house, and received a letter desir-
ing him to call at Clement's-inn, where le had
several interviews with Thompson. Mason car-
ried on the farce to such an extent as to write to
the boy's schoolmaster, 28 miles out of London,
for his character as to morals and abilities, and
received such a flattering .answer, that Mason said
he should pay particular attention to his improve-
ment in the office. At length, Mr. Maine gave
Thompson a .check for 301. on a banker; and
Thompson gave him a similar receipt, without
stamp, and signed it Hutton and Co.
Several gentlemen attended, and proved their
having given money to Thompson and Mason, in
consequence of their advertising distressed cases.
Witnesses were ordered to be advertised for.

The prisoners were committed for further eta-
mination ; and Mr. NARES informed them; if their
cases were only considered frauds, he should ex-
pect their"bail in each case 4001. and two sureties
in 2001. and 24 hour's notice.

TUESDAY'S GAZETTE--(Continued.)

DIVIDENDS.

April 19. T. A. Doffing, of Stone-house, Devonshire, sbop-
keeper—April 25.- S. Wheatley, Bristol, grocer—April 25.
0. Greenway, J. T. Greonway, and F. H. Greenwxy, of
Bristol, stonemasons—April 25. T.. Freaure, of Worcester,
draper—April 26. T. 'Poppleton, of Boston, draper—April
26. R. Finnis, of 'favistock-street, Bedford-square, money.;
scrivener—April 20. R. Guthrie and C. Cooke,"of Liverpool;
merchants✓-April 30: J. Kesteven,'. Kesteien, and J. Kest-
even, of York-street, Covent-garden, men's mercers—J. D.
Jones, of-Philpot-lane, merchant—May 14. W. A. Jores, of
Aldermanbury, haberdasher—April 2. J. Npwlao, Keat-
street, Whitechapel, soap-manufacturer•—April 2. J. B. Hud-
son, of Hackney-grove, Middlesex, merchant—April 13. G.
Morecroft and S. Bates, of Birmingham, corn-dealers—April
2G. J. Blick; of Lower Thoroliaugh-stree4 Bedford-square,
tailor—April 21. sE. H. Wilson and J. Westmoreland, of, Li,
verpool, spirit7merehants—April 2. E. T. Waters, of the Old
South Sea-House, merchant—April 23. B. Adams, of Buck,
lershard, Southampton, ship-builder.