The Sun.
London, England, 1813-03-30 00:00:00

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of anylicti, anci in a war it'lliets ninre a.ecep!,-
able to.: the puhic. tic *poke on the subject
without any reference to.liis ofiicial spitusation.—
Neithoe,dfd he approve of the Bill upon any slich
,'Principle us that of thinking that the prerogativeS
,oltheCroWn :should be abridged.
Sir F. rr..000 spoke in roi'our of -the Bill. " He
was ashained to think that there were persinis
who could accept of attires, for tilling which they
receiving large sums, withot doing any,thing to
GOd or Mau. - ►

. Mr.HuE.glisoN said, there wa's only one Gen-
tleman who hall taken any thing like_a new line
of i!rt.r,ufnent upon the qoet ion. Ile. sai4 -that it
would he better .tk: discharge of (Ivies should be
remunerated tiy.ices and pertpdAtes, than in any
other way, as a great proportion of such fees
1k• ere paid lay Foreigliers. finis would be to revert
to the old plan, 'and to itstore. every thing that
had been abolished within- the list three yeart„,..
lie thought it. was much better to net in the
spirit of the Bill, and itflix sal tries- to
Colonel BARaY opposed the bill. • . ,

My. Ftilzogrtm,o 'said, that the -clause cvhicli
respected the Civil List of Ireland had been' op-
posed last session by-an • llonourahle Ocritleman
opposite (My. Ponsonhy), who, he hoped, would
continue that Opposition in the present Session.
That clause in the Bill went to the diiisolttfion of
a compact between the Crown and the Parliament
of Ireland. On this ground he opposed the Bill.
He opposed it also on principle, becems'e it went
to take away from the Crown. the source of fa.-
„your and attachment.
,R Mr. BANKIts-eltplained..
Witnettirottoß thought that, frompartion-'
ler inStantes, it•vtaS not fair to oppoSe the gene-
ral,principle of the Bill. The object of the Bill
Was not to take putrOnnov from the Crown and to'
vest it in Parliament. It 'Would not produce, a fa-
vourable impression- if- it were • thought -that Par-
liament , at the close of the last Session, sheered
a disposition toyetrench, which would not:be
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nifcsted by the present Parliament. '
1111'.13IT7LETON supported the Bill.
Mr. ilvntta opposed the Bill, on the 'ground
that it trenched upon the privileges of the Crown.
He was always of this opinion, find be sew no-
thing in the argnments diet had been *offered to
induce him to retract it. The instance of the-
plice given .the other day by the PrinCe 4e gents
should be reflected on -by Gentlemen beforelligy
• votet.l- for the present Bill: 'The public 'had been.
deluded int*, a belief-that it lvolild diminish their
burtliens, but they-were no\; beginning to get rid
of that delusion. The 3iill would only introduce
a mere:Change of name, from-placemen to pen-
shiners. '

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Mr. PROTHIMQ supported the Bill. '..
Mr. Carmen said that Ministein had been ac-
cused with attempting to entrap the tiotke upon
this occasion. Such was not the case. Their in-
tended opposition was known and avOwed, hilt had
been put off to this stage of. the Bill, by a sort of
convention with the introducer of it. It was• now
brought forward in- the same form in whia it had
been rei..t...w:1.J...-:-.l•ewy 4.1; A 0-.. v .
lit: ~ in,itioind in
me 1$;t1 Nvere,not executed by deputy, hitt Dy the
principals, as he could prosve to be the case in
point of fact.' lie Was averse also to the princi-'
pie of. the Bill. : '
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Mr. W;SMITTI supported theßill.
The house then divided oh the hdriging. up Of.
,the Report;
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4)1,
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Ott the motion that the ,iteport ,be now agreed
to, . . . ~ •
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11Ir. PoNsOIIIIY Opposed the clause that went to
limit theavil List of Ireland to ,10,0001. on the
ground that it would be a dangerous precedent to
admit any thing that could 'he construed into a
breach of compact with the Crown.
Mr. CANNING opposed the clause on' the same
gromid.
,The clause was then withdrawn.

After a .few words from Sir John N4wport, Co-
lonel Barry,' and Mr. Vec "time. Bill MIS ordered
to he read'aa third dine on 'flints-day next.
The other Orders of the lay were 'then dis:
'posed of, and •the How: adjourned dt

.tandard of indt~-
vendence has been once more uiifiica:. on the
spank', -Main,' an expetlii i 0;; for that purpose hav-
ing been undertaken privately
..hy.-sonie Creole
Spaniards who' had sought 'refuge tit Trinidad af-
ter the plaits of Miranda hit‘t failed ; anif having
sailed from 'one of the smaller islands in thellucas
without the knowledge of the Government, they
made a descent at a weakly, defended place called
Oujda, with success, haviivg etleeted their landing
and gained possession with the,hiSs of Only 'four
men. It bus not been acxerkained who is at the
head of this entorprize; but it is strongly
.sus-
pected that one of the former titigleaders, at pre-
sent residing in Tripidad, is concerned. The num-
ber of men that tompos;ed this armament wasNory
limited, consisting, it is said of not more than 200
or 400,' Since they have gained their point, the
codiunmication by. launches, which had for sonic
time been . interrupted., bad recommenced' with
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