The Sun.
London, England, 1838-06-11 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, MONDAY, JUNE 11, 1838.

of infly .enee adverse to tithe or to the Protestant Church—
contr./ .sted with his own personal conduct ion tV.ery
possii ale occasion since, whP_n he never scrupled to in-
the interference of the priests, and their co=opc-
rat', ma with him i xaspetating the Popish -multitude
against the Prote4rant Church itself, as " a Church on
ich a faction fattens, by which a nation starves—as a
goat moral nD:isance, which Parliament could tot ao.jus-
lice to helm, d without abating—as an objci.it of deep de-
testation throughout Ireland, one against vhich common
ce,mmon justice, and common humanity revolt," Sze.
°"11 'all this may be very sound and genuine Popery ; but
on tr
part of Mr. Richard Shed we submit, that conside-
rilv4 his language before emancipation, and with a view to
21' ;rain emancipation,it is the reverse of " common honesty."
r'or Mr. Daniel O'Connell, it is more as a topic for the cu-
rious in speculations upon The possible extent of systematic
knavery and effrontery cothbined, than for the sake of
throwing any novel colour upon the morals of that learned
ud conspicuous persona,,e, that. we refer our readers to
the narrative presented by Mr. Eneas Macilonn;ll of the
manner in which five several funds have been disposed of
(riot accounted for) under the patronage and guardianship
bf Lim who directs the Irish counsels of the Melbourne Ca-

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SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock

MURDER in the WATERLOO-ROAD.

UNION-H ILL.--(THIS DAY.)
(Contieued from our First Edition.)
In conacquexece of the rumours which have been propagated
' this niorni'ag respecting the discovery of additional evidence as
to the mysterious murder in the Waterloo-road, the whole of
th'at neighbourhood has been all day in the greatest state of
excitement ; and as it was said that Ilebberd had been again
arrested, and would be brought up at three o'clock at Union-
hall, the street in front of the office was crowded to excess
leng before that hour by peol;le anxious to get a glimpse of the
man who has attained such unfortunate celebrity.
At three o'clock Hubbard was placed at the 'bar before Mr.
JEREMY, and charged on suspicion of the murder of Eliza
Grinraoo-1.
Inspector Field stated that he beard last evening that Hub-
bard was about to leave the house in the Waterloo-road, and
was going to Berkeley-square. Witness watched him, and
found that he went to :Mile-End. Witness, therefore, relying
on a letter which he had received, and which was p 1 iced in
the magistrate's hands
Mr, JE.ae MY— YOU must be aware that when a serious
clia'"ge of this nature is brought before a magistrate, great
caution is necessary that we may not be misled, and therefore
I wish to ask you, as you have heard the whole of the facts,
whether you believe the statements of this letter can be corro-
borated, and whether they are borne out by the evidence given
upon the inquest, so as to warrant us in placing any reliance
upon this anonymous letter?
Inspector Field—l have every reason to believe that the
gentleman will come f0..-ward.
Mr. JEREMY—DO you think the statements in this letter are
correct, and that the writer will c mm forward to prove them ?
Inspector Field.—l believe the information to be true, but
al to saying he will come forward, that is more than I can
utelertake. The letter states that he will come forward, if a
notice Is published in the Papers.
Mr. JEREMY.—Yes, but we cannot advertise the letter. It
is impossible that we can advertise for witnesses to support a
cliarge of this kind. Can you bring before us any other evi-
dence, besides this anonymous letter, which would raise a
probable ground of suspicion against the prisoner? If you
have reasonable ground for believing you can support the
charge, that would be a reason for my making further inquiry.
Inspector Field.—Hubbard was taken into custody on that
letter, and there is a person here who gave evidence at the
inquest, and he will state some facts which corroborate the
statements of the letter, and I should like your Worship to ex-
amine the. brother of the deceased.
Thomas Grimwood was accordingly examined, and produced
a Fair of gloves.—l took them off the table in the prissier ;
I thought they might have been left by some one, and I put
them in my pocket.
Inspector Field here observed that the gloves had never
been mentioned in the evidence before the Coroner.
Mr. JEREMY—That is a fact which induces me to place
credit in tit's letter. That shows the intervention of a third
person.
Grimwood—l found them on the table in the parlour. They
were found in the bed-room at the head of the bed by Mts.
Hubbard.
Police Sergeant Pike was next sworn.
Mr. JEREMY—You went into the room where the body of
the deceased was lying the morning after the murder ? Price
—Yes, Sir.
Mr. JEREMY—Did you see the chamber utensil in the bed-
room of the deceased? Price—No, Sir ; it was found in the
kitchen—it was empty.
Mary Fisher was next examined.—Did not make the de-
ceased's bed. Mistress did so herself. Recollected having
emptied the chamber-utensil the evening before the murder,
and putting it on the wash-hand stand. Did not recollect
seeing it the next morning.
Price said it was in no part of the room.
Mr. JEREMY then addressed the prisoner—l don't think
it right to ask you any question at this stage of the in-
quiry, because I don't know to what extent the let-
ter that has been put into the officer's hands is worthy
of credit; but where the life of a fellow creature has been
sacrificed, even though it may be a great injury to you, it
will be my duty to remand you, in order that the matter may
be thoroughly investigated.
Hubbard—Very well, Sir.
Mr. JEREMY—But I say that charges of this nature ought
not to be left to anonymous information—for I consider this
letter anonymous although it has a signature. A charge of
this kind ought to be supported by evidence, and it is the duty
of every man, whatever be his rank or property—whether he be
the highest Noble or the humblest peasant, if he does
know facts which would prove the guilt of any person in such
a case, it is his bounden and sacred duty to come forward.
If one-half of the statements contained in this letter can be
proved, it would go most conclusively to fix the guilt upon
some person or other.
Hubbard was about to speak when
Mr. JEREMY said, I have no objection to hear any thing
you may wish to say, but it must be with this caution—that
you are aware that every word you utter will be taken notice
of, and may be brought against you hereafter.
Hubbard—Very well, Sir ; it is only a few words I have to
say about my going away from the house last night. I was
pressed by Mr. Grimwood to leave the house whilst the noise
was going on, and he gave me souse money to go
down to my mother's, to stop until he had sold
the things, and settled the affairs. I took 1/. los.
from him, and he told me that it would last me a few days till
such time as he had sold the things, and then he would come
down and see me. I was obliged to go round to Doughty-
street, to where my sister was, because she had the key. She
was very ill in bed, and persuaded me to go down to Charles's
house—that is the place where the Inspector found me. That
was the reason of my leaving the house. I was persuaded to
go away by Mr. Grimwood, but I was very loth to go.
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The prisoner was then remanded till Tuesday week.

COAL MARKET.-(THIS DAY.)

Ships alrrived sinc,
Per Ton. s (1.

A flat r
Cam's Hartley ............ 120 ti
Felling Main
Hebburn Main 2O 0

Holywell
South llartley le/ 0
: an '.lelrt Moor
Willington 2O li
ylam
V, ails End Heaton 00 9

Walls End Hotspur 20 9
Walls End Killingworth t.:O 6
Walls End Mount Moor !S A
Walls End Nrwmarch l9 9
End Pcarath l7 6
Walls End lirpt.tll
Durham Main lll 9
Walls End Bernont

Walk En,4 Braddyll's Hett on 9.2 6 I
High Main „.. 17 6

last market-day. 83.
Per lon s. sl.
Walls End Haswell
Walla End Helton
Wails End liusseiT:Hetton °,2
Walls End Stewar- s 22 6
Walls End Hartlepool 22 6
Walls End Adelaide ZI 0
Walls:End Barrett 2 ,
Walls End Hinton" Tecs 2O 0
Walls End Gordon 2O 0
Walls End Tees
Walls End Seymour Tees
Walls End Victoria Tees 2O 0
End West Hetton
Blythe l7 0
Brampton Main lB 0
Walls End Hartley "1 11
Staveley Alain
Walls End Devonshire l9 6
WallsiEnd Elgin 2O 9

ELECTION COMMTTEES.

THIS DAY.

(Continuos. from our First Edition.)
WOODSTOCK.

James Giles exami•aed by Mr. AUSTIN—The house of
Prior consists of a small front shop, a room behind, a cellar,
and three bed-rooms, including the attic. I value the pre-
mises at 9/. 6s. I con cider it as a weekly tenancy, and made
my valuation at 4s. pcr week, deducting the rates at 11. 2s.
The yearly valuation w [mid be about 21. less than the weekly.
Cross-examined by Mr. ROGERS. —I made the valuation
yesterday.—(Laughte 1..) I had no instructions whatever,
except to set a valuation on the house. I was tent by Mr.
Westell. The house: is near the Market-place.
Mr. Henry North, the landlord of the house, deponed that
he let the house to Prior by the quarter, at the rate of 101. per
year. He (Mr. North) paid the rates and taxes, which
amounted to about 30s. a year. The value of the house is Si.
to 8/. los.

Cross-examined by Mr. THESIGER.—I remember Prior's
case coming before the Revising Barrister. I was the only
person examined against the vote. Prior's brother was ex-
amined in support of the vote. Sometimes the rent is paid
quarterly, sometimes-yearly, and sometimes half-yearly. The
house is let quarterly. I think I let the house for 3/. a
quarter for a year. That was in 1534. The rent was paid
half yearly. _

Re-exa'mined.—lf I had let it for the year I would have
taken 101.

Mr. AUSTIN then proceeded to address tie Committee in
support of the objection, and Mr. TIIESSIGETZ was heard on
the other side.

The room was then cleared for about half an hour. On our
re-admission,

The CHAIRMAN said the Committee had decided that the
vote must be struck off the 1011. They had also come to this
resolution,—_'s That the v. ords in section 27 of 2 William IV.
c. 45, the clear yearly vatic of not less than 101.," mean a
yearly value of 101. exclusive of the amount of the parochial
rates assessed on the tenant."

Thomas Crofts was objected to on the same ground—in-
sufficiency of value. The evidence in this case was similar to

to that given on the last vrith the exception of the
valtle, which appeared to be ul. 103. according to the
calculations of Mr. Williams, and Ss. 61 por vvock accord-
ing to Mr. Odes, subject to a deduction of IL 2s. for rate.
Oa the other side witnesses were cal'ed, who proved
the payment of la a.year for rent. The Committee retained
thy► vote.

Henry Bayliss was next objected to on the same ground.
The case bad not been concluded when the Committee
adjourned.

I MPER lAL PAR.LIAM ENT,

(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour.
Mr. BARNEI3Y brought up a Report from the Select
Committee on Hi:lhways.
Mr. FRE SHFIELD brought up a Report from the Corn-.
mittce on Public Petitions.
Sir M. WOOD brought 11:i the Report of the Committee
on the Metropolitan Suspension Bridge Bill ; also the Report
of the Committee on the Royal Exchange Building Bill,
which was read a first time.

Mr. HANDLEY moved the third reading of the Soath
ilolland Drainage Bill.
The Bill was read a third time and pased.
Mr. DENISTOUN hroutzlit up the Report of the Com-
mittee on the Garnkirk and Glagow Railway Bill,
Oa the motion of Sir J. MORDAUNT, the Leamington
Pi iors Gas Bill we read a third time and passed.
Lord ALFORD brought up the Report of the Committee
on the Newton and St. Albans Road 811.

- -- On the motion of Mr. M'Lcan, the Pulham Inelcsurc Bill
was read a third time and passed.
On the motion of Mr. PRINGLE, the Lalykirk and
Norham (Tweed) Bridge Bill was read a third time and
passed.
On the motion of Mr. CRESWELL, the Liverpool Court
of Passage Bill was read a third time and passed.
On the motion of Mr. HALL, the Paddington Estites'
Bill was read a third time and passed.
GLASGOW WATER WORKS' BILL.

On the motion of Mr. HINDLE Y, the Glasgow Water
Works Bill was read a third time and passed.
Sir R. ING LIS presented a petition against the London,
Birmingham, and Great Western Grand .Junction Railway all.
CHURCH OF SCOTLAND.
Mr. WARD presented a petition from Sheffield against any
adlitional endowments to the Scotch Church.
BEER BILL.

Mr. PARKER presented a petition from tl e same plice
against the Beer Bill.

POSTAGE.

Mr. GA SK ELL presented a petition from the Editor of a
Yorkshire Newspaper in favour of a uniform peony postege.
Colonel VERNER presented a petition from the Apothe.
caries of Armagh and its vicinity against certain clauses in the
Medical Charities Bill, and ten petitions from the same county
praying for the restoraiion of the suppressed sees.
Mr. HALL presented a petition from Marylebone, praying
that the St. Pancras Paving Bill be refer. ed to a SJleet
Committee.

Colonel C ONO L LY presented two petitions from Donegal,
praying for the aboUtion of Negro Apprerviceship.
Mr. COLQUHOUN presented three petitions, praying
for the suppres,lon of Hindoo Idolatry ; aid a petition from
Forfar against any further endowment to the Church of Scot-
land.

Mr. WARD said that, just before the adjournment for the holi-
days. he wished to obtain the priority in giving notice of a motion,
and for that purpose he complied with the forms of the House.
He put his name down the first on the paper, and was in his
place at five, when the adjournment was moved. The Speaker
called his name the first on the paper, and he immediately
gave notice of a motion for Tuesday, the 19th of June. He
now found that his notice was inserted second on the paper
stead cT first, and as this was a point of some interest to his
constituents he did not wish to give way if he was entitled to
the priority.
Sir E. -COD RINGTON sail that the Speaker called his
name first, and he immediately handed in his paper.
The SP E AKER did not know that he could settle it other-
wise than by referring to the Clerk's entry.
Mr. WA RD trusted that in future the original papers would
be preserved. .

After some further discussion, which was not heard in the
gallery, the conversation dropped.
Mr. ING HAM presented apetition from Sunderland ag,inst
the Postage Bill.
Sir A. Clifford, the Usher of the Black Rod, then appeared
at the table, and summoned the Members of the House to the
House of Peers, to hear the Royal Assent given to several
Bills, for which see Lo,ds' Report.
NATIONAL LOAN FUND.
Mr. HALL said on Wednesday next he should ask the
President of the Board of Trade whether he intended to bring
in a Bill to amend the Letters Patent Act of last year ; and
if he answered in the affirmative he should then ask on what
day he intended to bring in that Bill, because there were se-
veral Bills at present standing over until that Bill should be
brought in.
Mr. P. THOMSON had stated on a former occasion
that he intended to bring in a Bill which had already been
drawn to amend the Letters Patent Act passed during the
last Session. It was quite out of his power to say when that
Bill would be discussed, but he would bring it forward as
speedily as possible.
Mr. HALL felt committed to the House, in consequence of
the permission given to him to carry the second reading of the
National Loan Fund Bill, not to take any step with regard to
it, if there was any chance of the Bill of the Honourable
Member being brought in early. It was impossible that
this Bill (the National Lean Fund) could be much longer
delayed, and unless the Right Honourable Gentleman brought
in his Bill in the course of this week, he (Mr. Hall) must
proceed with the other.)
FACTORIES' BILL.
Lord ASHLEY gave notice that on Friday, the 22d
of June, when the Order of the Day for the second read-
ing the Factories' Regulation Bill should be read for the
of
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Factories,
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the House that such a state of things should be allowed to
exist so long without amendment—( Hear, hear)—and lest he
might take the Noble Lord by surprise, he would now state
that he would most assuredly bring forward that motion, and
although only one or two gentlemen should concur with him,
he would take a division upon it.
ELECTION PETITIONS.
Sir ROBERT PEEL brought in a Bill for amending the
laws relating to the trial of election petitions. He was anxious
to bring it forward for discussion at an early hour, when there
was a prospect of a larger attendance, but he was in the hands
of the Noble Lord. The Bill was one so far of general inte-
rest as that it could not be considered in the light of one
brought in by a private Member of the House.
Lord J. RUSSELL had stated to the House that there
were several Bills brought in not only by the Government, but
by private Members of the House, which should be considered.
Having already arranged that Orders of the Day should take
precedence of notices he was deprived of the power of acced-
ing to the proposition now made by the Right Hon. Baronet.
Sir R. PEEL then gave notice that he should move the
second reading of the Bill on Wednesday week.
Lord MAHON thought it would be more convenient, if the
Noble Lord would name some day for the second reading of
the Bill, when there would be a certainty of its coming on.
On Wednesday week he thought there was business before
the House that would prevent its coming on.
Lord J. RUSSELL thought it would be desirable that
such a course should be adopted, but he did not feel that he was
called upon to name any day—that was with the Right lion.
Baronet.

Mr. E. TENNENT wished to ask the Noble Lord oppo-
site (Morpeth) when the Irish Estimates would be brought o❑ ?
Lord MO lI,PET H said that the Secretary of the Treasury
would bring them forward, but from the present state of bust-
nets he court' not say en what day he would bring them forward.
Mr. MACLE AN begged leave to ask whether the Go-
vernment intended t.) institute any Committee of Inquiry into
the working of the National System of Education in Ireland ?
Lord MORPETH said the Government had nu such in-
tention.

Mr. MACLE A N would then give notice that when the
Irish Estimates were moved he would move the appointment
of such a Commitue of Inquiry.
Mr. CRESWELL wished to know whether the Noble
Secretary for the Home Department. in the absence of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, could inform him when the
House might expect an answer to the Address respecting the
Danish claims.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL could not at present give an
answer to the question.
Mr. CRESWELL gave notice that he would put the
question to the light Hon. Gentleman when he saw him in
his place.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL, in rising to move the further
progress of this Bill would say, by way of preface to the
motion, that the House in general would feel it to be
prouoo forma,re
convenient
and without
o the
having b
i areienn
g regularlygene through d
idiscussed,
Committee
e ussed
, that
should be recommitted, rather than that the discussion should
be taken upon the bringing up of the Report. He therefore
moved that the Bill be recommitted.
On the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair,
Mr. O'CONNELL rose and said—l request the indul-
gence of the House while I attempt to give reasons why this
Bill should not be re-committed at present. My object
in delay is, that I may have an opportunity of maturing
such materials as have come into my possession lately, so that
I may be enabled to show the House that the proposed plan
ought not to be adopted, especially with regard to the
City of Dublin. I mean to call the attention of the
House to the particular situation in which the franchise
in that city is placed, and to show the impossib litv
of giving a good municipal franchise to the electors
of that city, unless the House was in po2session of
more facts than it at present had knowledge of. when
a prospect was held out of conceding to the Irish people
municipal institutions—when it was discovered in Ireland that
the Opposition party in this House had given up their inten-
tions of destroying the Municipal Corporations, it was recelved
with unmingled satisfaction, and the lurking suspicion which
dwelt upon my mind, that it would all turn out a delu-
sion did not rind place in the breasts of my countrymen.
In order to understand the sentiment that thus pre-
vails, the Home ought distinctly to know what it is the •
people of Ireland require in tuts respect. They know
Scotland has got a Cori.crate Ref,;rm Bill Linen the
Parliamentary franchise. They know that 'England
has got a Municipal Reform Bill under another franchise. In

' England arid Scotland the Parliamentary franchise is different.
In England it depends on the rating of the party for the poor. 1
Each requires residence. The residence is required to he longer
in England than in Scotland. The Eeelini, Pcor-law Bill is
Coupled with the necessity of triennial residence, and pay-
ment of rates, previous to the registry. It is desired to get
either the Scotch plan or the English plan, and it is possilitle
to realise it in every thing but in the payment of poor rates,
which, of course, cannot be expected in Ireland, and there-
fore calling for the English plan would be an absurdity on
the face of it, there having been no poor rates there.
The Government proposed a residence of six months prior
to the registry, a payment of the triennial poor-rates.
That was thought too short a period by the Ri;eht
H ‘nourable Baronet, and ha substituted one years' resi-
denee in place of a half year. That was his proposal.
I am rsady to acc.'de to his proposal—of course
I am speaking of the substitute for the by-gone payment of
Poor-rates. His proposal was to substitute an actual •rest-
deuce of twelve months. I adopt his substitute, and adopting
Iris substitute in every other respect, I call on the House to
give to the people of Ireland either the English or Scotch Bill.
In the circumstances in which Ireland now is, I would infinitely
prefer the Scotch ss stem. It is more simple, and it aff rids ma-
terials which we have iii Ireland. If the House would give us the
Bill, with the Scotch municipal franchise, I will accept it cheer-
fully and gratefully. But if the House refuses us the 1311, which
I should prefer, and give us the English Bill, identifying us
witi. English instieseions in this respect, I will adopt it at
once, although reluctantly, on account of its compneatieee.
But I will receive it as a matter of coeciliatien ai=d
justice, to Ireland. I want either the one Bill or the other.
Yeu have the materials for it in the Scotch Bill ; and I suppose
we shall have the materials soon in the English Bill, as the Irish
Porr-laws Bill has passed the House; so that we may be identi-
fled with England in this respect. But we ought to have one or '
the other. There is no ju,titiable pretext for giving us a third
measure. There may be a reason which is not avowed—to
diminish the franchise and lessen the number of the elec-
tors. That reason will not be avowed.—( Hear, hear,
hear.) But that alone can be the reason why we
a-e refused either the English or Scotch system. Therefore
it is, I imprecate the plan of the Right Eton. Baronet. If
you employ a rating, fixed at a particular sum, you
must restrict the franchise, by trammels which do not
exist in England or Scotland.—(Hear.) I wish to
put the question so, that the House should have before
it the state of the Parliamentary franchise which is unincum-
bared by the detaile—by one-half of the charges which the
Right /ion. Baronet wi,hes to impose on the Municipal
deform Bill. Let the House compare the population
of Dublin with its Parliamentary constituency, and then
',ay, will it be justice to limit the municipal constituency
in the same way. The inhabitants of Dublin are 265,316.
There are districts in the county of Dublin that are not inelu-
ded in the Parliamentary boundary of the city, the population in
these amounting to something like 40 or 50,000. I leave
these out of the calculation. I speak of nothing but what I
have documents fur, and the 265,316 I have the Parliamentary
returns of 1831. The House ought to be curl ms
to know how many voters are among :them. They
do not amount to four thousand. The entire of the constituency
that voted in Dublin at the last election run thus—the great-
est number, 3,556, voted for me, and nearly the same number
for my Honourable Colleague ; 3,467 voted for the defeated
candidates ; and these were compounded thus-1,886 were
freemen: of these 136 voted for the sitting members, one
thousand seven hundred and fifty for the defeated candidetes.
The municipal franchise is to be found among the residue
of the constituency. That is composed of leaseholders and free-
holders on the one hand, and householders or. the other. The
leaseholders and freeholders who voted for the sitting Members
were 1,590, for the defeated candidates 1,065, making together
2,655. The householders who voted for the sittieg Members were
1,830, and for the defeated candidate, 652, making altogs-
(her 2,182. It is amongst these that you tiea to lied
the Municipal constituency. Supposing the !Munii i, al
an 1 Parliamsntary constituencies to he identical, have
we the materials for finding them ? But there must be
considerable deductions from this. In the first place the
holders consist of 501. freeholders who are not bound to reside
_next of 50'. re it-charges who are not booed, aed do not
reside—ofi 201 freeholds r; and 201 rent-el argers who do not
reside ; and from the class of 101. freeholders ar d landholders
will the municipal constituency be found. There are, t .ere-
fore, certainly only one-sixth of these 2,482 who being 101.
freeholders and liousehoners will be at once transrerrrd to
municipal electors, if the municipal law and the Parliamentary
franchise are to be synonymous. Add 600 to these, and you
will have 2,500 or 3,000 at the utmost, infinitely too
small a franchise. Take it at 4,000, and the franchise is
still miserably small, and is there any man in this House
who would be disposed to lessen this franchise. Take the
towns in England—take Leeds, which has a population of
150,000, and you will find that they have there 25,000 voters.
Take Dublin, and behold what your Reform • Bill Ins done for
us—see what a gross injustice has been perpetrated in the shape
of a Parliamentary Reform Bill—you have struck down
by your vexatious regulations, in a population of 265,000—
nearly double that of Leeds—the voters are only 5,000 at the
utmost. The Noble and Learned Member proceeded to say,
was that to be made the basis of inflicting teem Dublin a
greater wrong ? He might be asked what it was thee prevented
franchise being more extensive in Dublin ? He would tell the
House it was the high state of the taxation which might
be placed under five separate heads ; the voter could not be
, registered unless he had paid those taxes—ho must pay the
Watching and Paving Tax ; he must pay the Wide-street
Cess, and the Pipe Water Cess, and in addition to this he
' would now be called upon to pay the Poor-rate, the Insurance
of the value of the premises, and the annual estimate of the
repairs ; those three additional taxes must be paid before a
party could register. What would be the consequence of
introducing such taxes ?—( Cries of " Hear.") The Hon.
• Baronet proposed a Poor-rate, and that there should be
, a 101. franchise. Who was to pay that ? Not the landlord
In Ireland the landlords never paid such taxes. He never paid
taxes for keeping premises in repair, or the insurance to the
value of the premises, and the consequence therefore would
, be that upwards of one thousand voters would be dis-
franchised.—( Hear.) If the House meant by this measure
to insult Ireland, as it had been so often insulted, it perhaps
was a matter of little moment; but if they meant to effect
good for that country, he called upon them to . hesitate before
' they sanctioned a scheme that would be productive of so
' much iejury. The Right Hononourable Baronet had said
that all that he wanted was a criterion of the value. Was
such a thing, he( Mr. O'Connell) would ask, wanted in Dublin?
The fact was, that when the Right Honourable Bart. was
in the Ministry he had passed a Bill to value the whole
of the houses in Dublin, and a commission was is-
sued. Two Tory surveyors were appointed, who had valued
the whole of the houses in the city of Dublin,
They had not only valued the houses, but they [had given
a description of what each tenement contained, and a
more complete or particular valuation had never taken place.
before the Committee on fictitious votes the case of Dublin
was many days considered, and there was no proof
that there were any in that city—the only evidence
on the case was that of a popular elector who gave the
Chairman, who was a Conservative, the credit to say
that he was too particular. They had already de-
graded Ireland ; were they then to go on anti increase the
burden and vexation already existing. In the Scot-
tish Bill the Municipal franchise was the same as the
Parliamentary one. Why, then, not allow the same principle
to prevail in Ireland ? He wanted no more than that the
franchise should be only that which had been clearly admitted
on the records of the House. If the House consented to the
adjournment which he proposed, he would be able to lay before
them a statement which would demonstrate the injustice of
persevering in such a course as was poheed out by the Right
Honourable Baronet. If the Bill were mice carried, he
knew how he would be met with the cry of .. the Church in
danger" and .. No Popery." He knew the difficulty of in-
creasing the franchise, and he did not wish to decrease it.
Up to the period of the Parliamentary Reform Bill the rights
ti ere not wily unknown but negatived. The Common Council
or the Board of Aldermen could refuse any man who applied for
his freedom in right of birth, servitude, or marriage, without as-
signing any reason. Nobody sympathised with him, but there
was, forsooth, exceeding danger of letting in the Parlia-
mentary franchise; and what was the Parliamentary franchise
, after all? It was the management of the town, the
I keeping of the peace of the town, superintending the watch
anti superintending the police, furnishing streams of water
to the town, and doing all those things that interest every
individual. It was on this franchise that all their apprehen-
sion of having poor voters readmitted existed. Upon the
great Parliamentary franchise, that was to be the source of
legislation for the nation, and government to the country,
they were careless. They were ready to augment the number
of freemen, but they had been taken away from the town
and the Municipal institution, and had inflicted them with a
sort of paralytic stroke—the Municipal side was dead, but they
were in life on the other side—the Parliamentary franchise.
He suggested the propriety of postponing this, in order that
he should be able to give in detail to the House this enormous
diminution of the franchise--not in the general terms in which
he had given it now, but in the arithmetical exactitude in which
he should be able to give it them, and the House would then have
the opportunity of deciding upon it. He wished to call the
a'Wenfon of the House to the enormity which existed at present
in the elective franchise, which they wished to perpetuate in
the municipal franchise. They wanted to perpetuate the
payment of all taxes. No burgess, according to this plan, could
register until ire had paid all taxes except those rated within
the three preceding months. The Grand Jury Cess was laid
in Dublin from the sth of January in every year, for that
year prospectively'. .That was a monstrous inconvenience.
The words in the Reform Bill appeared to be equivocal on the
subject, and two Committees which had sat had decided that the
voter was not bound to pay that tax in advance, but the
Barrister registered no one who had not pail in advance.
He wanted to bring all those details before the House, so as
to have no doubt, and he claimed the short postponement for
one week, when he would be prepared with documents to shew
that the present Bill would not give mere than a consti-
tuency of one-half per cent., or not more than 15,000 or 2,000
for the whsle constituency. Should the House persevere, he im-
plored them to remember that the extent of his demand was
was to identify Ireland with England and Scotland. Let there
be no difference between the three parts of the empire, as it
was said they were identified by the Union.—( Hear, hear.)
He called on the House to give Ireland the same muni-
cipal institutions with England or Scotland.--( Hear, hear.)
He was instructed by his constituents that he would have in
his hands the fullest details, and he would therefore move as
an amendment that the Bill be committed, or as the forms of
the House were, that the Speaker do leave the chair that
day week.
Mr. HUME seconded the motion.

I,aving risen for ;ow.a morntnts afik
Speaker had put the question aad amendment, much laughter
was excited on the oppositiop side of the Houses when—

Lold J. RUSSELL eventually rose to address it. The
Noble Lord said he Nei; not a,t;ire ir:Wr his rii;itiel on soon a
question could m!ea,ion ccv iaogilter in rho House..V it
the opiniou of the H.- sus that the MU ch-;ald ho po,t-
poned for a short period he would have no objection to aon-
cede to the wishet, of the house.. -<( Hear, hear.)
Sir R. PEEL conceived the N.,ble Lord bad charge of the
Bill. If he (fir R. Peel) had made such a proposition at so
advanced a period of the Session, it might naturally be in-
ferrod thvt ho wishe3 to postpone the consideration
of the Bill for another S. scion.—( Loud cheers.) If the,
Noble Lord made his election to pos`ponethe Bill, standing
th-'re as the representative of the Government, the House
could not interfore. -( Hear, bear.) Ile ( Sir R. P, el) cer-
tainly would not recommend its po,tponeinent.
He would leave it to tit, Noble Lo.d to determine whether
he would postpone the Committee or not.
-Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought it would be much better
for the House to go into Committee to-night. Considering
rite number of Members present, he thought whatever was
determined in Committee that an upper: unity should be
afforded to the Honourable and LeArn:-'d c nlx.r of
stating the f..cts to which he h. d adverted, relative
to the city of Dublin. He thought that the fac s showed a
diff,rene tween the City of Dublin and other
towns in Ireland and this country and he
thought the Bill ought not to pass through
the House, without the case of Dublin being considered. But
the Home might now go into Commitoee, and take the gene-
ral question of the franchise.
The question was then put on the amendment and nega-
tived without a division, and the House went job Committee.
(LEFT SITTING).

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HOUSE OF LORDS.
The LORD CIIANCELLOR took his scat on the Woolsack at
the usual hour.

' ROYAL COMMISSION.

The Royal Assent-was given by Co3leiission to the Exche-
quer Bills Bill, the Regency Act Amendment Bill, the Cus-
tody of Insane Persons (Ireland) Bill, the London and Croy-
don Railway Bill, the London Grand Junction Railway 8.11,
Great Western Railway Bill, Manchester and Bolton Rail-
way Bill, the Birmingham Water Works Bill, the Wye Bridge
Bill, the Rutland and Leicester S:nall Debts Bill, and a vast
number of Inclosure Bills, and other Privato Bills.