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London, England, 1825-03-04 00:00:00

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Previously to the second reading of the Bill
for the Suppression of Unlawful Societies in Ire-
land, the Earl 'of Caernarvon presented to the
House of Lords last night a Petition from several
members of the Catholic Association, praying to
be heard at the bar, by Counsel, in defence of
that Association and in opposition to the
The Noble Lord then addressed the House in
favour of the Petitioners, and moved that they be
heard at the bar. The Earl of Liverpool com-
bated the motion, on the convincing ground that
If one body .were heard by Counsel, all other
bodies which might think themselves affected by

this or by any other measure, would claim and
have a right to be equally heard, in which case
it would become impossible to legislate. Ile was
ably supported by the Lord Chancellor, and
after some inconclusive observations by Earl
Grey, Lord Holland, and Earl Darnley, the
House rejected the motion, on a division,
by a majority of 69 to 23. The discussion
was then opened on the second reading of

the Bill, and the arguments by which it was sup-
,ported and opposed, during a debate of four
nights, in the other house, were reproduced with
little novelty of form. The issue, however, was
mot doubtful ; and the enemies to the Bill hay-
ing ventured to divide the House, were left in a
small minority of 44, against a triumphant majo-
rity of 146 !—ln the House of Commons, Mr.
Maberly made his promised motion for the total
repeal of the Assessed Taxes. The Chancellor
of the Exchequer,. however, vindicated the supe-
rior expediency of his plan for the present; and
Mr. MaberlY's Molion was rejected by a maio-
Bill for repealing so
rity of 11I: to 64.-11,e
much of the Assessed Taxes as the Chancellor of
the Exchequer
mentioned in his financial.state-
ment on Monday night Was then read a second
time; and Mr. fierries obtained leave to bring
Bilito make some improvements in the mode
f receiving the Land ax.

[MORNING. HERALD.]
The second reading of the Catholic Association
Suppression Bill was fixed for last night in the
Al_.Lik:4l,4 4 Lords. There was a tolerably full, at.
.I,enuart of peers; but.below the bar was not
12346 ciosided with strangers.
Around the
Tbroney at the upper end of the House, where

Commoners are privileged to station themselves,
there were many, chiefly Irish Members present.
Previously to discussing the Bill a long conver-
sation arose on a petition presented by the Earl
of Carnarvon, from the Catholic Association,
praying to be heard by themselves or Coun-
sel, at their Lordships' bar against the Bill.
Lords Liverpool, Eldon, &c. declared that
the proposition was inconsistent with the
practice of the House, and that in the language
of Parliament, the petitioners were " not entitl-
ed." This motion having been rejected, their
Lordships proceeded to
.debate the Bill. In the
Commons, Mr. Brownlow presented a petition
from Protestants in Ireland, Members of" Orange
Lodges," praying to he heard before the Com-
mittee inquiring into the State of Ireland, to vin-
dicate themselves against charges preferred in
Parliament, by the Association, and by others.
They maintained that their loyalty was so indis-
putable as heretofore to have called forth the
praises of the present Home Secretary, Mr.
Peel; that their object had been to support the
Government, and that it was therefore very
hard to be maligned in the way they had
been. Mr. Brownlow was understood to intimate
that after the passing of the Bill the Orange
Lodges would cease; and Mr. Ahercromby and
Mr. Peel represented Mr: B. as distinctly stat-
ing that henceforth the Orange Lodges were to
be considered as " extinct." Mr. Secretary Peel
declared that he had heard this intimation with
unqualified satisfaction ; that he was glad to
learn the Orange Lodges would have the good
sense to abstain from entering into a contest with
Parliament ; and that although he did not dis-
pute, and never had questioned the loyalty of
the members of those Lodges, he could not deny
the prejudicial tendency of such Associations.
Official men had, he said, belonged to those
Lodges, as they declared, from a sense of duty,
and to exercise the influence they possessed
there; but he emphatically expressed the hope
that from the moment of the passing of this Bill,
no official ma❑ would deem it consistent with his
duty or his loyalty to belong to any Orange Lodge.
He wished that the name might cease to exist—
(Lord Kenyon presented a similar Petition to
the House of Lords.)—On account of the state
of the Catholic Question, to relieve the fears of
the many, and to show that he had no unfair
hostility towards the Established Church, Mr.
Hume said he should altogether discharge his
notice of motion (which stood for Thursday, the
10th inst.), for a Committee to inquire into the
state of the Church Establishment in Ireland ;
but, he added, in lieu of such motion, he should
occupy that same 10th of March with proposing
a Resolution declaratory of " the propriety of
dispensing with the present system of the Sinking
Fund "—a notice, being so given, that called
forth such merriment and loud cheering.—Sir T.
Lethbridge brought in the Bristol Ship Canal
Bill, which Canal, he stated, would be from the
English Channel to the Bristol Channel, along a
line upwards of forty miles in extent, and ca-
pable of admitting vessels of 200 tons burden.—
There are to ,he two harbours, one at each end
of the Canal ; and the estimated expence of the
whole work is two millions—" which," said Sir
T. L. " i., ready, and more, if it be wanted."—
Mr. Maberly brought forward, in the presence
of a very thin House, his motion regarding the
repeal of all the Assessed Taxes. Mr. Brougham,
in the course of the evening, in urging the ad-
vantage that would result from repealing direct
taxation, mentioned that, after the reduction of
the \Vine Duty was announced, for the 151. duty
taken off, the dealers raised the price of the
article 101.

[MORNING CHRONICLE•]

It is impossible to deny the truth of what was
advanced by Lord Liverpool, last night, that
" during the last few years more has been done
for the good, for the peace, for the prosperity
of Ireland, than was done for centuries before."
This may, however, amount after all to a stronger
condemnation of preceding Governments, than a
just ground for eulogy of the present. However,
we will admit that several very beneficial reforms
have been effected in Ireland. " The whole re-
venue system of Ireland has been reformed, and
reformed in a manner that has given general sa-
tisfaction." With respect to the diminution of
Taxation, and the reform in the administration of
Justice, we know not very well what to say. We
know that when a contrary course was followed
with regard to Taxation, every fresh 'Tax dimi-
nished the produce of the Revenue. To take
credit, therefore, for not levying more taxes
from Ireland is something like the species of Li-
berty understood in Scotland, of " not taking
the breeches from a Ilighlandman." The admi-
nistration of justice has, we fear, been very little
improved in as far as the inferior Magistracy is
concerned (though the Police is certainly an
improvement); and what is more, we fear, so long
as Chancellor Manners holds the Seals, the Magis-
tracy will never be much improved in character. So
far we are willing to give praise to the Administra-
tion. But when Lord Liverpool talks of " these
things as proofs of the kind, generous,and affection-
ate disposition of the Government of the United
Kingdom to the people of Ireland, as proofs that
they have been treated not with justice and fair-
ness merely, but with indulgence and favour,"
we would ask him what he means by people of
Ireland ? If his Lordship places the Catholics
in a state in which they cannot avail themselves
of his boasted favours and indulgences, what be-
comes of this argument ? Let us put a case in
point. Suppose the Negroes of Jamaica or
Barbadoes were to complain of the hardship of
their situation, in being subject to the caprice of
the Whites, who have the making and admi-
nistering of the laws in their hands, for an
abuse of the power possessed by thern---would it
be any answer to these complainants, to tell
them, that Government had been exceedingly
kind and indulgent to Jamaica and Barbadoes, in
imposing a lower duty on their produce than on
that of the East Indies Let us put another
case—let us
kindly a claimant on his bounty, and to make
suPpose his Lordship to receive
,him a liberal present, having previously, however,
stationed a person at his ;ate to extort forcibly
this present from the individual as he passed,

what would be thought of this indulgence and li-
berality ? And yet-this is precisely what his Lord-
ship does to the Catholics of Ireland. He gives to
certain individuals the power of intercepting the
favours said to be destined for them ; he enables
these . individuals to wound their tenderest feel-
ings, to provoke them by oppression to the com-
mission of outrage and ;disorder, to render them
unable to avail themselves of the bounty of na-
ture, and yet he wonders how it happens that
they have not thriven under his kindness and in-
dulgence. We were glad, however, to see that
his Lordship imputed " no especial blame
to the Catholic Association, as distinguished
from all similar bodies." He objects to all
Societies so constituted. But this is likg'saying
to a person with an issue, I have no objec-
tion to your issue as distinguished from others—
Why, the issue would. not exist if the bod y were
not internally diseased. When his Lordship,
therefore, says, " Without reference to the Ca-
tholic Question—without reference to the ex-
pediency or inexpediency of giving to the Catho•
Tics of Ireland privileges equal to those possessed
by the Protestants, that this Association is an
evil such as has never yet been permitted to
exist, as such as ought never to be permitted to
exist." Fine talking! If you refuse to do
justice to the Catholics, if you allow an As-
cendancy to trample on them, the cause for
Association. will exist, and associate they will
most assuredly in some way or other effec-
tual to the purpose of obtaining by confederation
what they cannot obtain individually. The As-
sociation itself is a decided indication of an un-
healthy state of the body r-r;litic—the removal of
the symptoms, while the disease remains, is only
most arrant quackery. If, however, his Lord;
ship consent to the settlement of this everlasting
Catholic Question, the law will never be re-
gretted, because without a law, the Association
would in that case have died a natural death.

!larch, whose ambition, we fear, exceeds the
standard of common fame. By the same convey-.
ance we learn that the passage of couriers
through Berlin has been more frequent of late
than had been known for a long time before ;
and this circumstance, connected with the for-
mer, does not spew that the Russian Cabinet
is so indifferent to our political relations
with the New States of America as has been
studiously represented. We wish it were
otherwise, without however being over anxious
about the results of a different course, this coun-
try being fully prepared to meet Russia, or any
other Power, on terms . of friendship, if such be
her gracious purpose ; or of hostility, should
she like it better. This expressio❑ of our feel-
ing will be re-echoed, we are sure, by the whole
community ; and the Russian Government may
rest assured that it will not advance its views on
this subject a single peg by using a tone of me-
nace towards this country.

CHAIN-BRIDGE AT NORTH SHIELDS.

On Wednesday, the 23d ult. a most numerous and highly
respectable Meeting was held at the Northumberland Arms,
North Shields, to consider of the propriety, and institute mea-
sures fir its accomplishment, of erecting a Chain Bridge over
the Tyne between the towns of North and South Shields. An
elegant model of the Union Bridge was exhibited on the table,
and attracted much attention. About twelve o'clock, William
Wright, Esq. was called to the chair, and the business of the
meeting opened by the reading of the requisition, by which it
was called. The " Plan and Report" of Captain Brown were
then read by John Tinley, Esq. It was of considerable
length, and after slightly noticing the erection of the first sus-
pension bridge, on the present plan, at Mill Wall, and of the
Union Bridge over the Tweed, proceeded to make observations
on the strength of wrought iron, of an inch square, of which
27 tons may be considered as the measure of strength. It then
detailed the place, dimensions, strength, &c. of the proposed
bridge, as stated last week. After the report had been read,
Captain BROWN rose, and shortly addressed the meeting.—
The report just read, he said, referred to a plan which he had
contemplated on his•tirst survey of the river, but he had since
learned that that plan had not been generally approved of, in
consequence of its requiring one buttress or tower to be placed
in nearly the centre of the river. The position of this tower,
,so near the" In Sand," as was called, it was thought by many
:would have a bad effect upon the navigation. lie was of a
different opinion ; but as it did not become him to set his judg-
ment in opposition to those who felt interested in the naviga-
tion he hatl made a slight variation in his plan, and prepared a
new drawing of a bridge of one principal arch supported by
two buttresses (one just within low water mark on the north
side, and the other similarly placed on the south side), and- ter-
minating at each end in an inclined platform, rising one foot
in fourteen.—(An elegant drawing of this plan was here held
up for general inspection, and was received with loud ap-
plause.)—The south buttresses would be not more than two
u
hundred and fifty feet from the shore, s that all fear for the
navigation would he obviated. A bridge upon this plan, how-
ever, would exceed in expence the bridge he had at first
suggested by 7,000/. the second buttress which it was now
proposed to build in the river being considerably larger in
size than the two small ones intended to have been placed
on the banks. The height of the arch above high water was
116 feet; but it would most materially reduce the expence, it'
this height could be reduced, as lie thought it might be, by an
easy regulation. It was only for vessels of 32 keels of coals,
of' which there were very few belonging to the port, that this
height was required ; if these ships would adopt the regulation
of having striking royal masts, which might easily be done, it
would permit the height of the buttresses to be reduced se-
veral feet ; and as these constituted the principal expence, the
saving hence arising would be considerable. Ile concluded by
expressing his conviction of the practicability of the design.—
This address was received with loud applause.
SANDERSON ILDERTON, Esq. then proposed a set of reso-
lutions, which were seconded by W. Linskell, Esq. They were
then read by Mr. Tinley. They were, in substance, expreSsive
of the desirableness of a more ready
.communication between
the two towns—of the practicability of the proposed bridge—
and of the determination to carry it into effect by a subscrip-
tion of 100,0001. in 1001. shares; they also pointed out the par-
ties whose approbation and support was to be solicited, and
provided for the appointment of a Committee, and other matters
of arrangement.

Mr. TINLEY, after a short interval, rose and addressed the
meetting, observing that it was not his intention to have ad-
dressed the meeting, for which he was not prepared, but as no
one else seemed inclined to do so, he would offer a few remarks
on the resolutions. Of the desirableness of a better commu-
nication between the towns, there could not be two opinions :
it was as evident as the light of the sun. Though only sepa-
rated by a very short distance from South Shields, such was
the interruption given to the communication with it, that
it was a fact, that they knew less of the inhabitants of that
town, than they did of those forty or fifty miles distant.
Of the practicability of the proposed bridge, he must con-
fess that he was at one time sceptical, Ibr when he con-
templated the gigantic structure hung high in air, lie
could not but entertain the greatest doubts. A more
intimate acquaintance, however, with the subject, an at-
tentive examination of the plan and report, and the information
derived from the communications of the ingenious proposer, had
fully convinced him, that it was not only practicable, but of
comparative easy attainment. With regard to the funds which
it was proposed to invest in the erection, the utility of the struc-
ture, and the benefit it would prove to all classes, ought to be
regarded, as well es the probability of its proving a source of
profitable investment. In the latter point of view, however,
alone he thought it deserving of consideration, as it was sure
to yield 5 per cent. interest. To his knowledge, three indivi-
duals had offered to take the tolls for three years at 5,0001. per
annum ; but such offer they were told by the ingenious projec-
tor, it would be unwise to accept, as being below the probable
amount.—The subscribers at present were only to he called
upon for one per cent. to defray expences, so that there was
the certainty that no more than that would be required till
the measure was certain of being carried into effect.—After
some other observations, Mr. Tinley concluded amidst much
applause.
The resolutions were then put, and carried unanimously,
Subscription papers being then produced,
many shares were
of
subscribed for, to the amount, we believe, ofupwards
20,0001.
Thanks being then voted to the Chairman, the Meeting
broke up.—During the whole of the
interest was manifested by the persons assembled,
sub-
ject of the bridge, a strong desire for its accomplishment evi-
dently pervading the whole. proceedings
lively
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grandest and most interesting objects in
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Accounts from Genoa state, that several false
Bills of Exchange had found their way into that
city, with forged names to them ; and what was
rather singular, no discovery had been made as to
how and whence they orig►nated.
A Letter from Madrid, inserted in the Ham.
burgh papers, says, that the Duke of WELLING-
Toy had made a present to his friend General
ALAVA, of a fine domaine worth '200,000 dollars,
to indemnify him in some degree for the segues.
tration of his own estates.
Fire„.—Yesterday morning, at eight o'clock a
fire broke out in the lower part of a house, 5, Red Cross_7
court. Bermondsey, which destroyed the parlour where it omenced, and the adjoining room, but was fortunately eXtil-
guished without doing further damage.

A RRIE
On Saturday, the 19th ult., at St James's Church, West-
minster, William Small, Esq., of Soutliville, Wandsworth-
road, to Miss King, of Church-row, Fulham.
On the 3d instant, at St. Clement Danes, Thomas Hernial],
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of Essex-wharf, Strand.