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to trice, she would be a mllstone round their necks, anti
no c, crep,e measures, n R. 1, such ;15 the present, would

ever C. store p. ace or prou.ote her p;•osperity.
Sir W. SO ME ItV ILLE observed, that his Honourable
IFelend, th, lieinb r for the eouoty of Cork, attempted
to argue (At a grt-at question, involving the interests of
Ireland, on what he cr.ited the quid .pro quo principle.
He said that those Honourable Gentlemen who thought
it their duty—and no doubt a painful duty it was, both
to them and every other Honourable Member on that
side of the House—to support the Bill, ought not to
have done so, because as he and his Friends voted for
free-trade measures, they expected them to oppose
it. That was a line of argument which he (Sir William
Somerville) should not presume to address to his Hon.
Friend, because he knew and felt that in voting for free
trade he did what he thought was good, and so did his
lion. Friends who fell under his censure do the same,
v‘ hen they supported the present measure. He had no
doubt whatever but that they gave their votes according
to their conscience.

An iloN. A,I.ESIBER—They did not vote at all.
Sir WM. SOMERVILLE—Who are they?
Mr. B. OSBORNE—The Manchester school.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE did 'not allude to the Man-
chester School, as they were called, but to those two
hundred and odd Members who supported the Govern-
ment on the present occasion. His Hon. Friend the
Member for Dublin laid particular stress on certain ex-
pressions in the letter of the Lord-Lieutenant, and
argued that those expressions intimated an intention of
using the powers about to be entrusted to him to put a
stop to the Repeal agitation. That, however, was
entirely a mistake. Did any man suppose that the
Lord-Lieutenant would, in the present state of Ire-
lanzi, or indeed at any time, attempt to put a stop to agi-
tation peacefully carried on? Certainly that was not but
intention. His object was to put an end to that specie*
of agitation which had treasonable objects in view, and
carried them out. in a treasonable manner.—(Loud cries
of " Hear, hear.") His Hon. Friend the Member for
Limerick, was connected with a peaceful agitation for
many years, without any detriment or injury to the
public
peace; and most assuredly it was not against such
agitation those extraordinary porters were asked for, or
would be put into execution. The object of the Lord-
Lieuteintet was to obtain a vote of confidence by that

i louse—to preserve the peace of Ireland. And, for his
own part, he could assure Hun. Members that, it was au
act of numauity to pa,s such a measure, in order to put
a stop to proceedings of the must injurious descripti(in to
the welfare of the peopli..— (Hear.) 'there never was A
Lord Lieutenant in Ireland who had so much the confi•
deuce of all parties—(llear, hear, and Oh, oh)—and
every one who loved the liberties of his country would
be pained by voting for this measure; but he, iu his con-
science, believed it to be absolutely necessary.—(Heat.)
Lori CLAUDE HAMILTON said he thought that

some hood grounds should be stated to justify so severe
and stringent a measure. It had been said that this should
be looked upon as a vote of confidence in Lurd Claren-
don; but although that might be a good ground, he pre-
ferred to look at the merits. In the general admiration
of Lord Clarendon's character and administration 11‘.1
most cordially joined. lie had not been sparing day and

night in phyjielil and intellectual tabour, under circum-
stances of the greatest danger and difficulty, and he be-
lieved that it was to the providential selection of that
Noble Lord under Heaven that the peace of the country

had been preserved.—(Hear, hear.) If his vote ill
tavour of that measure should be regarded as a vote of
confidence in Lord Clarendon, he had no objection that
it should be looked upon in that light, although he gave
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his vote on the merits of the question. But in justice to
the people of Ireland, he could not help saying
that they had been taught and drilled into
the injurious agitations, which they carried on
very much by the suggestions and comments of that
party who so loudly blamed the coercive Acts of the
Hight Hon. Baronet lately in power, during his act•
LLioistration. No sooner, however, had they succeeded
than they applied still more stringent measures for its
suppression. They come down to that House, not
merely fur an Arms Bill, but for the power to proclaim
whole counties. He hoped that party would now feel
some remorse. He believed that Lord Clarendon had
appreciated the quiet loyalty of the North. To him it
was a painful necessity to vote in favour of this Bill, but
he did hope that it would be the last time he would be
celled upon to give a vote so exceptionable and so liable
to abuse.

Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL said, that there was one
speech (Mr. Trelawny's) which was couched in the lan-
guage of a bully of the stews, which, as it had been
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couched in such language, he would pass by with the
contempt which it must give rise to. The Right Hon.
Baronet's speech (Sir W. Somerville)—at least mail
parts of it—gave him great pleasure. He alluded es-
pecially to his observation, that the Lord-Lieutenant
would not presume to interfere with any peaceful and
constitutional agitation. It was not intended to sup-
press public opinion. The agitation, he said, to which
this Bill was directed, was a treasonable agitation
for treasonable objects. He would, in consequence, give
a far less vexatious and violent opposition, although
equally determined. He gave notice, that he would
move that it be an instruction to the Committee to intro-
duce a clause or clauses into the Bill to secure the right
of the subject to agitate, and to meet, and petition for the
repeal of any existing law. A clause might easily be
framed in that spirit. He had intended to read various
documents relative to the association for the repeal of

the union, of whose committee he was a member, to
prove that the objects it sought to carry out were legiti-
mate ; but the pacific observations of the Right Hon.
Baronet had rendered that unnecessary. He would
merely read the titles of those documents. The Hon.
Member here read the headings of some repeal papers,
and said that they showed that the agitation carried on
by the Repeal Association was peaceful, legal, and con-
stitutional. The next document would carry the House
to the stormy period of last year, when in March last
the Association issued an address declaring their
allegiance to the Queen, and their obedience
to the laws. The next document was a reply of
the committee refusing the use of Conciliation Hall for
the purpose of votilag au address to the people of France.,
The next document was an address to the people 01
Ireland, cautiuniug the people against the wild and den-
gerous doctrines which were promulgated abroad. The
Hon. and Learned Member further referred to docw
ments recording the efforts the Association had made
inisupport of order, and their refusal to coalesce with
the parties who had unfortunately brought themselves
within the operation of the law. After again referring
to the declaration made by the Right Hon. Baronet (Sit
Win. Somerville), he said he placed the most implicit
faith in that declaration, because he knew the high per'
sonal honour of that Right Hon. Baronet, and the high
position which he occupied in the Government of Ire'
land. He would not, therefore, farther refer to tilis
matter, but should for a few moments address himself to
some other considerations connected with the preseoS,
measure. After alluding to the proposed grant c`
50,0001., and the opposition which he regretted was made
to it on the part ot the free-traders, he would say that
when certain Members opposed that grant on the grotto°
us they alleged, of principle, he would now call upon
those Mt mbers to act upon principle with reference to this
measure, and vote against it. Those who were opposed tic)
this Bill resisted it not only in the interests of Irelane:
but in the interests of England also; for they could not
tell what ill consequences would result from such legir
lation. He would, therefore, implore Ministers to pause
in the course they were pursuing. They had yet sis
months of the session before them, and, if necessary, e
day would suffice to pass such a Bill as the one now pro'
posed into law. They should try a conciliatory course
towards the people of Ireland. No people were more
alive to kind treatment, and he implored Ministers not to
set so unfortunate an example by the passing of such
a law.
Mr. lIUME said, if he was anxious to address the
House after the speech of the Hon. Member for Cori‘
(Mr. Roche), he was much more anxious to address i$
after the speech of the Honourable Member for
Limerick (Mr. John O'Connell). He repudiated a',
tack which had been made by the Hon. Member whoj.ile•
sat down upon the free-trade party, and called attention
to the fact, that the Hon. Member himself had expressed
himself satisfied with the present measure, meat's() it
had been stated that its provisions could not aPPII
to the association with which he was connected in
Dublin.—(Cries of " No, no," from Mr. John O'Cotr
nell) Why, the Hon. Member said he was so far cote
tent with the explanation of the Hon. Baronet (Sir WI;
Somerville), that he would not trouble the House with
the reading of the document he had brought with hi';',
for that purpose.—(hear, hear. and cries of "No, 11°'d
from Mr. John O'Connell). The Hon. Member ha,
certainly afterwards said, that, notwithstanding the ero
ceptien which had been made, he was still opposed Si
the Bill. Now he (Mr. Hume) had voted in favour %
the all last session, and he voted for it on the groin
that Ministers would base time to propose conciliatel
measures, and he would vote fer the measure noWvei,
the ground that as peace was at present existing, A;ts
nisters could not continue to occupy their present se"' ,
without bringing in those measures which were nece„,ll,
sary, and which the conditi,tn of Ireland needed•tit
(Hear, hear.) He had heard it complained that O r
the d.sturbances ceased in Irelued it could not be ed,
petted that satisfactory measures would be introduce.,
Let the Hon. Member and those who acted with Me,
boldly and fairly set about iuquirng what Ireland rod
quired.—(clear, hear.) He (Mr. liume) had again 1301
again stated his opinions. He had again /be
again declared that Ireland 'aught to be governed bi, ,g,
same laws and treated in every respect the same its,":lg
land. The Government, he must say, seemed to sc''',..-
from bringing in the measures that was nrcessarPer,
(Hear, hear.) When the present ' Bill was, bowes°
passed for six months longer, the Ministers would hece
time given to them to prepare measures that would Pti,
vent the necessity of continually suspending the o.elee
tution in that country. There was no supporter °tit to
free-trade movement more alive than he was bie33eglit
the necessity of proper remedial measures being ht9,i-,oo'
in for Ireland, and he would give his support to the,,iste
sent Bill, in the belief that no Minister would be ' re'
to take that step which was imperatively called Wood
medying the evils under which Ireland Inb°,o'
Upon such grounds only could the present ".- ec
sure be demanded. But ho would ask, if gentl eill
bort
meant to commence their old trade of agitation, sie
long would it be before they would have disturbance: bet
Ireland?—(Hear, hear.) Ho asked the Hon• ll,t the
(Mr. J. O'Connell) to point out what he would d° at re'
present moment if he were Minister? No cintiner../'
peal would be triumphant.—(" Hear, hear," from 709pe;
O'Connell.) But would that restore peace and Potosi°
rity to Ireland?—(Nlr. J. O'Connell—l wish you before,
try it.) He (Mr. Hume) supported the Bill now out
the House in order that her Majesty's Gel_ares lot
might have peace, and leisure to prepare mess,
the future welfare of that eountry.—(Hear, hear.),d that
Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL, in explanation,
liee_l9,3 the
what he stated was that he was satisfied, so.l Allots
explanation of the Right Hon. Baronet (Sit,' '',)2,,y be
Somerville) went. It was to that extent 001 Y '
had expressed his satisfaction.