The Sun.
London, England, 1831-08-13 00:00:00

31 accoldance wit!) British feelings and British interests
to see Belgium connected with Germany, and forming a
pert of
the Germanic Confederation, than that it should
as the French expected it would, in'o such a ritu-
rtstion as to be chiefly dependant upon France for pro.
ti",e,t'un• There was one other mint on which the Bri-
n pnhlie,world neturelly look for mete information,
nani(le, • whether any, and what provision had been made
t° seeure a successor to the present King of Belgium.
blir*
!"le the present contest he was daily enposing himself
(), peril, and it wooed be exceedingly satisfactory to know
" in the event of his death, who wls to heroine his sue-
ce"'".• There were now in Belgium 50,000 Frenchmen,
and the son of the King of the French was with that
ar'"a'• It was well known that that Prince had been
lirikee of for the throne of Belgium before the choice of the
I.;eiens fell upon Leopold. From that time forward the
e (4 that Prince would he daily exposed, and he wished
to know if there had been no successor fiaed upon in the
It
eve
such "f st' misrortune occuerina as the loss of hi• ?
• , •
berit 'nightr be perfectly true that the conference might not
e'Pensible to that House for their conduct ; but a
ish Minister was a member of that conference, and lie
at leapt
',- was reapansilile to that House, and if all the other
',0;!!!-:, or the conference overlooked British interest, it
'''°"d still be.the duty of that Minister to take care that
hl":tibing.waa done to lessen that security which this country
d„ nght to demand at his hands—that nothing was
5 to tarnish the high character which this country long
'-'
te -led, of being the protectress of the weak against the
°°g' and an effectual check upon the ambition of France.
ALTHORP said, that the speeches of the Right
`',.• and Gallant Member were generally remarkable for
11:eet eairriess candour,. but both he and the House
due. " feel the impossibility his NoWe Friend's pro-
tiolne the documents that were necessary to a full expla-
-02 (lithe conduct pursued by his Majesty's Government ;
ti;rli therefore, thought, considering the admission of
the piss Han. and Gallant Member himself respecting
„att inloibilit it was scarcely fair in him to throw
thilse cautions, and express those suspicions, when all
te'ea'''' of justification were inaccessible to the Ministers of
Crwn. Lander circumstances such sus} these, he
tt•rhu,sted that the House and the public wouldend their
:gtnent until information could be laid before Parlia-
t• It seas perfectly evident that no sufficient
Could now perfectly
aid he trusted that for the
fro of their 055-11 character, lion. Members would refrain
'h;''
t° "Pressing doubts and surmises which it was impose
se, inert.
G. MURRAY thought he had guarded himself
e' agar G•
the accusation of the Noble Lord ; he stated that
in,,°'"s satisfied his Majesty's Ministers had the fullest
li's of justification.
A at, t' PRAED said that all his Right Hon. Friend aimed
aar wes to obtain from the Noble Lord an admission that
it allY had not been guilty of any breach of faith, and yet
thalvtta, to be concluded, from what the Noble Lord said,
that "e King of Holland made a declaration to the effect
B.he hail no intention of breaking the armistice.
Peg 11. L. WETHERELL said he did not rise for the pun-
k:l4 ed. sustaining what had been said at his side of the
(4e, but rather to attack what had ben uttered at tile
Ilajir. On no grounds whatever could the King of
laa,rand be charged with a violation of the armistice.
.e weal no law of nations binding him to give notice of
4o intention to commence hostilities ; neither was there
411YeiesPecial covenant on hie part so to
give notice. Our
Isenal:t ally was unfortunate, but not criminal ; and it
apsehe adding insult to misfortune to charge him with
af breach of faith. He had looked through the whole
stet, to
documents which had been published on the sub-
Re,: and he found in them no engagement whatever to
the; "tiee when the armistice was to terminate. Some-
ser had been said about special pleading; but it was
degree enibbling upon such points, as that was the last
trailieet n: °Pedal pleading. He would repeat, unless con-
Rseen e" by the Noble Lord, that there was no such en-
thought lent on the part of the King of the Netherlands. He
dst,net that, with respect to the condition of that
ela eempathy rather than acrimony ought to be in-
/4.4e"a .
With those who said that Ministers ought not in
thin ent circumstances to be put upon their defence, of all
defence he thought it most unfair so to put them on their
'benti.' when they could not produce the necessary dote:-
attaek s but this much at least he would say, that e
5"h51 1Y made upon the King of Holland was
The Justifiable.
unjustifiable.
gat'question was then put, and the amendment ne.-
Ifinavietidueteuiitalniout a division.—On the putting of the on-
Mr
theet.",,ells%""'".• ER thought it was quite allowable to die-
eharaet„Pablic acts
of Ministers without impugning their
."(}lsar individuals, or giving them personal offence..
Benineeenia ! hear.) On that night, as on the preceding
g,
th7t Imputations had been cast upon him (Mr. Croker)
thoual , "ion which he had that evening brought on, al-
last '"e had distinctly stated that he forbore to bring it on
Isis evening lest he should take the Noble Lord unawares.ineiy
eact,,,wotile Friend had begun his speech with ani
ale , a allusion to him (Mr. Creker) and torisexcountrv.
toot not not think that it was an instance of the very best
h el that his Lordship should sneer at the country to which
(aslZed his name, his ancestry, property, and .
He (Mn. Croker) had moved for the productionof
Attd letter from the King of Holland, dated the Ist
he
• Now it appeared that the letter forwhich
o' r intended to move was dated the 2d of August.—(Oh
he l'a"-hear, hear !_considerable interruption.) It might
;an irksome duty, but he (Mr. Croker) bad always looked
11ton it as one of the obligations of office, that Members of
1,4 Majesty's Government having seats in the House, should
peters with patience to the opposite side.—(Cheers.) In-
4ituptions (lid not come with so ill a grace from gen-
t'
t "Nen who were independent of the Government as front
,scare-11 who held office themselves. His Noble Friend had
Nged him with a mistake similar to one which the
him Lord himself had made. The Noble Lord charged
e4l (Mr, Croker) with having made, what he called, a
tea •
the ln moving for the letter of the Ist of August, when
is taetter, which he wanted was dated 2d of August. But,
tresatne breath, the Noble Lord said, that if the letter
beete:2'i August had been called for, lie should hew'
ha,fB"liged to make a return nil. He (Mr. Crakes)
thoufurnt3}teal that lee it the letter of the Ist of August
defencethat a perfect l gof the King of Holland. For
the he had called, as it was in the possession of
Ilu rcial authorities, and bail been before the public.
helts 'l not call for the letter of the 2d of August, because
Friolew that it was not in the possession of his Noble
hit ki and, indeed it was one part of his charge against
Is. ""le Friend, that he had not kept so important a
incent in his possession. 'File Noble Lord had accused
en thttn e
alt
; but, indeed, the blunder was altogether
amnia Part of the Noble Lord himself, who confeuuded
11kt54 rtes,*ith suspension of hostilities. His Noble Friend
"'hen that the Kin of Bel ium had violated an armistice,
den "e had before him the letter of the King of Holland,
'ea3ilng that there had existed any armistice, and that he
Pa et reted the suspension of hostilities at an end. (In this
lag a°‘ his explanation the Right Hon. Gentleman, speak-
IsiaajeTse the table, Planation,
sometimes inaudible.) If the
p et,'°rd, and those friends around him who cheered in
l'hiateea;'ar an accent, supposed that the remark of his to
IFbe (el "is Noble Friend alluded was intended as a sneer,
aasnred them that they were wholly mistaken.
anYhedy should take the trouble of collecting the
4bel;t Pieces which were attributed to him (Mr. C.), it
amongst be known that by far the best productions
tia I them were those of his Noble Friend.—(Cheers
tli'tlena(l4,b,ot"•) He remembered the day when his Noble
,'°es 'lnger certainly than he, cultivated with him
in'ete ta;' (said Mr. C.), " I loved, my friend, for they
.1-541 (Cheers.) If it was not the habit of his
„,,r5 ad nu, a, Chairman of the conference, to open let-
eed" to the con erence, then he ought to have
enat„ the conference uon receipt of the letter, that
`ullel,,,,`llta !night he known without delay. He
eq. aaedmade • that in
,uhlr
hz_
,y protesting against the supposition,
`4(ible Friend to account for his conduct as a
Inlster, he intended any charge against him as an
Latd
rstat,OLMERSTON, in reply, observed, that he un-
tj'at Pln the explanation of his Right Hon. Friend
s'ftll'lteZeTti, been playing with foils only, and that the
" en they haul exchanged would leave no wounds
ai e domt
e was over.—( Hear.)
h 'ME said tlia tafter the length of time which
.°cetipied indebat upon' Foreign Affairs, he
11.gi,,g.°' delay the debate upon the Reform Bill by
to `tog
the motion of which he had given notice.
i',,resa„t
-4 I;.therefore, postpone that motion (respecting the
1314 of the Colonies) to Tuesday next.--(Hear.).)
g itlto :I","f the Day was then read for the House
Th
•-,ol4utittee upon the
.°Pt. left BILL.
ihait having the Chair, the House re-
tl4 nto a Committee, and
11'"'1) svll,4;ezakl,'.4,le put tire question upon the eleventh
hthqp, flung carried,
(ter Ld,l stion
. ,was then put that the several counties in
tuat is, Chester, Cornwall, Cumberland,
NI, Li “),,, Durham, Essex, Gloucester, Kent, Hamp-
e neastee a, •
master, Norfolk, Northumberland,
~ahSur" Nottingham, Salop, Somerset, Stafford,
4'14 irer, Warwick,Wilts and Worcester
Sussex, •
diaer
at on each four. Members.
Arc't,i. I" Was carried in the affirmative without op-
t',
'l'ort conversation between Lord Aurfronr and