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treason and felony, and considered that the present
measure was the emanation of the Government through
feelings of humanity towards those convicts.
Mr. FOX said that he considered the language of the
Hon. Member for Sheffield (Mr. Roebuck) to be worthy
of a paid advocate of the Canadian rebels, but not of
a free and honest Member of the House of Com-
mons in support of his fellow-subject, no matter whether
English or Irish.
Mr. ROEBUCK said that what the Hon. Gentleman
had said respecting him as a paid advocate for the Ca-
nadian rebels was utterly false.
The SPEAKER called him to order by stating that
his last expression was not Parliamentary.
Mr. ROEBUCK then withdrew the expression in
respect of the House and the Speaker, but for no other
reason—because to the Hon. Member for Meath (Mr.
Grattan) he did not think that he owed any apology.
Mr. GRATTAN said that he had no respect for the
Hon. Member's (Mr. Roebuck's) courage or intelligence,
because when he provokes any Hon. Member unjustly,
he is not willing to answer the case as it should be
answered. He should say that the principles of justice
should not be hunted down by a screech-owl, and in ad-
dition, ho believed- that the late revolution was got up
by the Government to cover the desolation and misery
they had caused in that unfortunate country.
Mr. O'FLAHERTY said he regretted that the law-
yers who bad spoken on this matter had totally forgotten
the principles of the Constitution in that debate. He
considered that there should bo some mitigation of the
punishment, though he did not mean to say what it
should be; and ho felt assured that if Englishmen were
equally implicated, they would not be treated as were
those Irishmen who were the subject of this debate.
The Howie then divided on the amendment, when
there appeared—
For the amendment
Against it
Majority —l47
Mr. C. ANSTEY said that he believed that there was
a desire as much as possible to extinguish this -debate,
for the only opportunity afforded the two Hon. Members
who opposed this Bill was when the House was almost
within counting, in consequence of the majority of the
House having retired to dinner. Not one-sixth part of
the Members now in that House were present an hour
ago, andthey had voted without hearing the arguments
against the Bill. And it was too much that they should
now be called upon to affirm the principle of the Bill,
and therefore he should move -the adjournment -of the
debate. They were, by an ex post facto law, seeking to
pass a Bill of pains and penalties against a private man.
Against such a course he entered his most solemn pro-
test. The Bill before the House violated the preroga-
tive, as it violated the liberty of the subject, and he should
give it his most strenuous opposition. The Hon. Member
was, in the course of a series of discursive remarks,
loudly interrupted. He concluded by moving the ad-
journment of the debate.
Mr. O'CONNOR said he had purposely abstained
from offering any remarks upon the subject lest he should
unnecessarily commit himself, but he hoped that no
attempt would be made to take the Bill out of the hands
of the Hon. Member who had so ably conducted it
hitherto.
Mr. NAPIER said that he would be willing, after the
full expression of the opinion of the House, to withdraw
all further opposition to the Bill.
Mr. KEOGH and Mr. ROCHE requested the Honour-
able Member for Youghal to withdraw his motion.
After a few words from Mr. J. O'CONNELL,
Mr. ANSTEY said he would divide the House.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
House divided, when there appeared:—
For the adjournment ... 9
••• •.• ••
Against it . 195
•.•
Majority against it ... ... —lB6
Mr. ANSTEY then expressed his intention to take
the sense of the House upon the question of the second
reading.
Mr. REYNOLDS observed that he was much disin-
clined to ad -I another word to this debate, because he
stood in fear of the Hon. Member for Sheffield, who sat
just below him .—(llear.) That Hon. Member as good
as challenged' every Member in the House to quote
law with him. In fact the Hon. Member said :—" Here
I am, the Member for Sheffield. I hold in my band an
Act of Parliament, and let. any Member of this House,
and any lawyer in it especially, if he dare, quote law
against me."—(Great laughter.) He might have
added, "For I am the law and the prophets."—(Re-
newed laughter.) But he had listened to his speech, not
with sorrow, but with horror, for the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman had scorned the misfortunes of Mr. Smith
O'Brien and his unfortunate associates, had raked up
past events, and had done his best to have them tran-
sported. He had read in the newspapers that the
Noble Lord at the head of the Government had
likened the voice of the Hon. Member for Sheffield to
the fabulous trumpet, which, having been frozen for some
time, at length thawed, and emitted sweet sounds. Now,
although he thought the Noble Lord was a great and
successful statesman, he certainly thought him a bad
judge of music.—(Laughter, and cries of " Divide.") He
thought that the prerogative of mercy which belonged to
the Crown would be well exercised at the instance
of her Majesty's Government, and he trusted that
the Hon. and Learned Member for Sheffield might never
be amongst the number of her Majesty's advisers when-
ever the prerogative of mercy was to be called into
action. In conclusion, he would remind the Right Hon.
Gentleman the Home Secretary, that he had not an-
swered the question which he put to him early in the
evening, whether or not he was aware, that on Saturday,
the 9th instant, a warrant was sent from the Castle of
Dublin to the.governor la the gaol in which the pri-
soners were confincd, which authorised the governor to
go to their cells, and say that the police were in waiting
to take them away with their luggage?
Sir GEORGE GREY said he had not heard that any
warrant commuting the sentence had yet been issued.
Mr. ROEBUCK said, that after the speech of the
Hon. Member for Dublin, he should beg leave to bring
back the House to the question now before them. The
question was, whether those men, who had been con-
victed by a jury of their countrymen of the highest
offence of which the law took cognizance, should not be
punished for it, in pursuance of their sentence, as the
law directed. If that sentence were not carried into
execution, he was resolved to ask—resolved to demand
as a matter of right—the mitigation of the sentence of
his own poor unfortunate countrymen.—(Hear, hear,
and laughter.) It might raise a laugh to demand
the liberty of Cuffy and his associates, because they
were poor and humble. Still, however, there was the
law ; and he should like, he repeated, to hear from any
lawyer, not from the Honourable Member for Dublin,
that treason was not felony. All that they were called
upon to do was to allow the Crown to forego its terrible
power of death, and to commute it into transportation.
He for one was quite prepared to give that power. Take
the other alternative. It was said that death could not
be inflicted. He said death could be inflicted, and ha
wanted to relieve the Government of the embarrassment
arising from this state of things. But for the soul of
him he could not understand this sudden and strange
sympathy for men who, according to their can confes-
sion, were convicted traitors. He asked the House of
Commons to repudiate this spirit, and to give the Crown
the power of ieflicting the severe, but still much milder,
punishment of transportation. He did not appeal
to Irish Members, but to his own countrymen ho did,
that they would not allow ignorant and poor men to
be transported without remark or sympathy, and,
simply because Mr. Smith O'Brien was a gentleman,
suffer him by a strange, unseemly, and disgraceful inter-
ference with the exercise of the prerogative, to escape.
—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the Honourable
Member for Dublin, he had simply alluded, in good
humour, to his statement that he wanted a pull at the
exchequer.
Mr. REYNOLDS—I beg to deny having ever used
the words imputed to me by the Hon. Member.
Mr. ROEBUCK—It was in the recollection of 200
men who were in the House when these words were used,
and he would leave it to them to say whether the words
were used or not.
Mr. D. BROWNE—No, no.
Mr. ROEBUCK thought the Hon. Member was
scarcely in a state to give a contradiction to a matter of
fact. In that House, as well as out of doors, he would
do all he could to put a stop to every measure which was
brought forward to take money from the people of this
country, in order that it might be extravagantly squan-
dered in Ireland, He was determined to oppose money
being wrung from the hands of his own countrymen to
support rapacity and idleness.—(Loud cries of " Oh,"
and " Order " in the midst of which Mr. Lawless ex
claimed, " Give him rope enough.") Just mark that!
" Give him rope enough 1" He said that was an ungen-
tlemanly expression, and one which was unfairly used to
him.
Mr. LAWLESS—You know the proverb.—(Order.)
Mr. ROEBUCK did know the proverb, but he knew
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language used by the
Hon. Member for Sheffield was not such as could be
listened to in silence by any Irish gentleman, and in that
capacity he had resented it.—(Hear.)
The SPEAKER said that he had not heard any
words used of the character complained of, or ho should
have sooner interfered. The Hon. Member for Sheffield
was in order, but at the same time he did not think that
the honour and dignity of that House could be main-
tained if such discussions as that which was then going
on were allowed.--(Cheers.)
Captain BERKELEY wished to say that he had sat
close to the Hon. Gentleman during the whole of his
speech, and he must say that the interruption he had
suffered made it no matter of wonder that the lion.
Member for Sheffield had spoken in the manner he
did.—(Hear, hear.)
The SPEAKER repeated his entreaty to cease the
discussion, but
Mr. J. O'CONNELL (amid cries of " Ohl") said as
the Gallant Captain had been so ready to give his tes-
timony respecting the interruption to the Honourable
Member for Sheffield, he begged to say that be also
had sat close to the Lion. Member, and considered that
the interruptions were perfeetly justifled.—(Order.)
Mr. ROEBUCK resumed, and complained of the of-
fensive and personally insulting attack upon him by the
Hon. Member for Meath, and also of that of the Hon.
Member for Clonmel, amidst cries of " Question,"
and "Hear." The Hon. Member said he had discussed
an important question fairly and honestly, and ho was
not to be put down when he was discharging his duty.
hear.) The Hon. Member concluded by re-
peating his determination to support the Government.
Mr. REYNOLDS and Mr. D. BnoWNE rose together,
and were met by loud cries of " Divide, Oh, and
Browne," in the midst of which
Lord J. RUSSELL rose only for the purpose of put-
tin!-t it to Hon. Members whether it was desirable that
this discussion should be continued. The course taken
by the Hon. Member for the 'University of Dublin was
one to which there could be no reasonable objection, but
iu the count) cif the debate bethought spn, Alembers had

far the contiguity of the United States with that colony
May have operated on thgpolicy which has been adopted
by the Imperial Government. But this he would say,
that it would be an act of justice and expediency that
mercy should be extended to the men involved in the
present measure. Not until the last moment, and when
every hope of redress seemed to be at an end, did Mr.
O'Brien determine upon a course of conduct which had
led to so unfortunate a result: Notwithstanding all that
had been said upon the subject, he was firmly of opinion
that but for the paising of the Bill suspending the
Rabeas Corpus Act in Ireland, and which compelled
Mr. O'Brien and others to take measures to avoid being
arrested, he believed that but for the passing of that
Measure no outbreak whatever would have occurred.
The Hon. Member declared himself opposed to the pro-
Posed Bill.
Mr. GODSON said that by the common law the
Queen had the power of inflicting the punishment of fine
and imprisonment in lien of the extreme penalty which
svaS attached to the offence of high treason. If that
punishment had therefore been inflicted, the present
bill would never have been heard of, and it was alto-
gether unnecessary. The effect of the present Bill
would be to increase the punishment. The Lion. and
Learned Member then referred to the Act of the 12th
George I, and proceeded to contend that under the
common law the punishment of transportation was un-
known, and that not till the time of Elizabeth had that
Punishment been inflicted. The Crown having the
Power of enforcing the punishment of fine and impri-
sonment, the Hon. and Learned Member said he was
of, opinion that had the attention of the law officers of
the Crown been drawn to that subject, the House
would never have heard anything of the present
Bill.—(Bear.)
Mr. MONSELL said it would be admitted by every
gentleman who had spoken, that the sentence of death
could not be carried into effect—of that every gentleman
Was convinced.—(Hear.) The Government, it appeared,
had the power of imprisoning for life, and the practical
effect of the Bill was to enable the Government to in
crease the punishment to transportation. Under these
circumstances he could not but look upon the proposed
Bill as an instance of ex post facto legislation. lie would,
therefore, submit to the Government, considering the
!limber of parties who had come forward soliciting the
extension of mercy to the prisoners, that the best inte-
rests of the country would be consulted by pursuing the
More merciful course, and that the present Bill should
not therefore be persevered in.
Mr. REYNOLDS said it seemed to be the opinion of
the lawyers who bad spoken in the debate, that
there was no necessity for the Bill. If no doubt
existed as to the law, why, he would ask, had the
Bill been introduced ? Her Majesty, and her Ma-
jesty's advisers had determined that the sentence
of death should not be carried into effect; but he did
not agree with the Honourable Member for Reading,
that therefore the people of Ireland should be grateful
for the act of ,mercy contemplated in the present BilL
Ile would remind the House that one hundred and fifty
thousand persons in Ireland had signed the petition in
favour of the extension of mercy to the State prisoners.
That petition had been signed by the nobility and gen-
try, and by the clergy of all denominations, and such a
petition was oue which should not be without its effect
upon the Government.—(Hear, hear.) He denied that,
strictly speaking, the late event in Ireland could be
called a rebellion. He had, however, listened to a de-
bate in that House, a few nights ago, with reference
to what was really a rebellion in Canada, when life and
property suffered to a very considerable extent, and
where a reward of 5001. had been offered for the appre-
hension of a gentleman named Lafontaine, who was now
Attorney-General of that colony.—(Hear, hoar.) Had
there really been a rebellion in Ireland on the late occa-
sion, it was not a force of 40,000 men, nor four times that
number, could have put down the determination of the
people of Ireland. He denied that there was any rebellion
in Ireland; and, so far as the measure now before the
house was concerned, he did not thick it was at all re-
quired. The law officers of the Crown seemed to be at
doubt upon the subject. The order for the transporta-
tion of those gentlemen was regularly sent to Dublin,
and on the 9th of June a posse of police and military
Were assembled around the gaol where these gentlemen
were confined; but suddenly another order arrived, and
they were at once dispersed, and the prisoners were sent
back to their cells. That showed that the Government
had not their minds made up on the subject. There
were certainly great hardships perpetrated on those pri-
soners; not so much upon them as upon their families.
There was his friend Mr. Smith O'Brien, who had a wife
and seven children, the oldest only nine years of age,
and how were they to be provided for? But, besides, the
Bill had been introduced the other morning, when it was
read a first time at half-past one o'clock.
Sir GEORGE GREY—It was no such thing. Remits
brought down by a messenger from the House of Lords
before six o'clock in the afternoon, and presented to the

Souse.
Mr. REYNOLDS—It might have been that, but it
was not read a first time until the hour he had mentioned,
and at the time it was so, there were only 27 Members
In the house. He was not aware that it was coming on
for a first reading on that evening, otherwise he would
have at once moved its rejection.
Sir 3. GRAHAM said, he could not give a silent
vote on so important a question. If he had consulted
his own feelings, he would not have said a word on the
subject, for during many years he had had the pleasure
of the intimate acquaintance of Mr. Smith O'Brien, as
well as those of his nearest and dearest relatives.—
(Hear, hear.) At the same time, however, and in coming
to that opinion he was actuated not a little by the speech
he had just heard—(Hear, hear)—that he could not
bring forward any argument which would in the least
justify the conduct of that I-lon. Gentleman.—(Heur,
hear.) Ile felt bound to say that he thought it would
have been well bad Mr. O'Brien thought more of his
wife and family than he appeared to have done. The
question so - far as he could understand it was one of
law. He had had the honour for many years of being
the adviser of her Majesty in regard to this, the
mightiest, the noblest, and the most exalted attribute
which appertained to the Crown—he meant the attri-
bute of mercy. There was that about that attribute of
the royal will which could not be strained, for in re-
spect of mercy the royal prerogative could not be too
much extended ; but in respect to the measure now
before the House, it was, in his opinion, simply a means
of carrying out the mild and merciful intentions
of the Government. Without any such measures as
the present, there was, in his opinion, grounds suffi-
cient for commuting the sentence of these men, as had
been done, as the Act of George the First, chap. 12,
explicitly stated what was rebellion was felony. That
statute was, in his opinion, quite distinct on the sub-
ject, and while he did not deem another measure ne-
cessary, he would not hesitate supporting the present
Bill. He thought the Government had shown a wise
discretion in commuting the capital sentence which had
been passed on these men, and he considered that in
the circumstances the present measure was required.
Mr. ROEBUCK said he should vote for the second
reading of the Bill. There could not be a doubt as to
the propriety of the Bill itself ; for although he con-
sidered that the law, as it at present existed, was suffi •
cleat to meet the case, he thought the enactment of the
Present measure would show the lenient manner in which
the Government wished to deal with those gentlemen.
Every one knew that the crime of treason was a felony
—that those convicted of treason were liable to b a pu-
nished on that crime, provided the capital punishment
of treason was not carried out. The question then was,
did treason amount t 3 a felony? And on that subject
he could not do better than refer to Blackstone, who
stated that the one crime included the other. There was,
then, no doubt, about the law ; but then it was
said that the law proposed to be introduced was a retro-
spective law. That, however, was no argument. The
law at present in existence was sufficient to carry out
the sentence of the Government, and it was only as a
means of showing the leniency of the Government that
such a measure was introduced. He had, however,
heard it said that the punishment they had been sub-
jected to, transportation for life, was severer than the
punishment of death.—(Hear.) He considered the
grounds on which these men were advocating their case
was a perfect quibble, and he did not hesitate to say
that he would have them hung to-morrow rather than
allow them to get off on such a miserable quibble as
they were now putting forward.—(Cries of " Oh, oh!"
and " Hear, hear.") lle was as much opposed to the
punishment of death being carried out as any man; but
he would never be a party to prevent its being put into
execution in a case where the law and the circumstances
of the case demanded it.—(Hear, hear.) He had heard
the Hon. Gentleman the Member for the county of
Meath (Mr. Grattan) that night say that Smith O'Brien's
proceeding was a ridiculous attempt at rebellion, and if he
had not made that false move other gentlemen would
have been found ready to join in the same cause, and
that he himseif would have been amongst the number.
Mr. GRATTAN—I said no such thing .—(Hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK—Perhaps what the Hon. Gentleman
says does not remain long on his own memory ; but he
did not think that his remarks on that subject would
have so soon been lost sight of by those Hon. Gentlemen
who heard them. It so happened that what the Hon.
Gentleman said had remained on his memory, and in the
recollection of that be said that the Hon. Gentleman had
said that the rebellion of Mr. Smith O'Brien was a ridi-
culous project, and that if it had not been made a more
rational movement would have taken place.
Mr. GRATTAN—I deny that I used any such words,
and if allowed an explanation, I will state what I did say.
The SPEAKER—The statement of the Hon. Gentle-
man having been called in question he is at liberty to
explain what he did state.
Mr, GRATTAN—What I did say was, that I con-
eeived Mr. Smith O'Brien had vulgarised sedition. I
think that was the term I used, and that, in con-
sequence, it was not likely that any one would follow his
example.
Mr. ROEBUCK—WeII, take it on the Hon. Gentle-
man's own words. He said that Mr. Smith O'Brien had
so vulgarised sedition that Hon. Gentlemen opposite
would not be anxious to follow his example; but that
was no reason why such a measure as the present should
not be passed, in order to meet such a case. The mea-
sure was simply an exemplification of the humanity of
the people of England in regard to those men. It was
doing away with the higher sentence of the law, and
substituting in its place that milder punishment of trans-
portation, which even the law as it at present existed
warranted the Government in carrying out. He was
totally at a loss to know how the Honourable Member
for Meath (Mr. Grattan) would oppose this Bill, as being
one of mercy and favour. He requests of the House,
for the sake of those convicted men to allow the Bill to
be read a second time, for he considered that this Bill
was worthy of the consideration, not only of England,
but of the whole world, as being an act of mercy. lie
was certainly opposed to capital punishment, but yet, as
long as the law to that effect existed, he considered
th:it it slwuld be c.trriA out, under present einum.
stances, and he asserted that it was not a retrospective
Act, as had been stated
.by those who called it an ex
post facto Bill.
Mr. QQDWIN rose to explain the difference between

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lost sight of the merits of the question, and were en-
g ige.l in speeches and answers which it would be much
b tter to ebstain from.—(Hear.)
Mr. D. BRO WNE—(Divide, divide)—observed that
he bad no desire to interrupt the division, and only rose
to explain. It was to be regretted that the Hon.
Member for Sheffield had been interrupted in the way
he had been, but ho was afraid that, S 3 long as that Hon.
Member pursued the course he did of aspersing the
character and attacking the motives of Irishmen,
the remarks of which he complained would be made by
those who felt that they were unjust.—(Cheers from the
Irish Members.) Ho must add that, before the Hon.
Member appeared in that House that session, these sub-
jects, though important in themselves, and gave rise to
great difference of opinion, had at least been discussed
without any of those angry remarks and personal
attacks.—(Renewed cheers.) He thought it would be
well for the Hon. Member to maintain in that House the
arguments which he was so well disposed to maintain
out of doors.—(Hear, hear.) For his own part, he did
not know why a matter of such importance should be
made the medium for introducing personal questions.
Upon the measure itself it had not been his intention to
say anything had he not been called upon by the attack
made on him. Although he had not signed the memorial
to the Lord Lieutenant, ne had great objections to this
Bill, and he trusted the House would discuss it in a
decorous manner.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. REYNOLDS—(Spoke, Oh, Divide)—The Hon.
Member for ,Sheffield had accused him of using the
words—" I want another pull at the Exchequer" in the
debate on the Attachments Bill. He did not do so. It
was in the debate on the Rate in Aid Bill, and with refe-
rence to the Shannon job.
Mr. LAWLESS said the Hon. Member had passed
three personal insults upon Irish Members. He had
charged the Hon. Member for Longford with falsehood
—(Oh, and Order)—and the Hon. Member for Mayo
with being intoxicated, and—
The SPEAKER called the Hon. Member to order.
It was contrary to the rules of the House to repeat
words which had been denied or retracted.
Mr. LAWLESS quite agreed with the Speaker, that
a great deal bad been said that would not redound to the
dignity and honour of the House. The Sheffield blade,
he was afraid, was like some that were made more for
show than work, and he thought the people of Sheffield
would soon find that out.—(Oh and Divide.)
The House then divided, when the numbers were—
Ayes
Noes l9
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Majority in favour of the second reading-156
The Bill was then read a second tiule, and ordered to
be committed to-morrow (this day).
On our re-admission, we found the House in Commit-
tee (pro forma) on the Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill.
Major BLACKALL suggested that they should ap-
point a morning sitting for some not distant day, for the
purpose of proceeding with the Bill. After some con-
versation,
Lord 1. RUSSELL assented to the proposition, and
Thursday, twelve o'clock, was fixed for that purpose.
On the motion of the LORD ADVOCATE, the Com-
mittee on the Marriage (Scotland)
_Bill was postponed
till Monday.
The Soap Duties Bill was read a second time, and or-
dered to be committed.
On the motion of the LORD ADVOCATE, the order
for the second reading of the Lunatics (Scotland) Bill
was discharged.
The Mutiny and Desertion (India) Bill was read a
second time and ordered to be committed.
The Railway Abandonment Bill was read a second
time. . _ _ _ .

The County Cm (Ireland) Bill and the Loan Socie-
ties Bill were severally read a third time and passed.
The Bankrupt Law Consolidation Bill was read a
second time.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY observed that this Bill seemed
to be framed in an odd way. It contained very few
clauses, bet the schedule was enormous—as big as a dic-
tionary. There was one provision in the Bill which
gave the Commissioners perfect legislative power to
make rules for their own courts, and any person who
did not obey those rules might be imprisoned for life.
The ATTORNEY•GENERAL said it was true the
Bill was drawn in a rather novel form, and that was
the reason he proposed that it should be referred to a
Select Committee. The Hon. Gentleman then moved
that the Bill be referred to a Select Committee, consist-
ing of the following Members :—The Attorney-General,
Mr. Walpole, the Judge-Advocate, Mr. Masterman,
Mr. Mitchell, Mr. Frederick Peel, Mr. Bouverie, Mr.
Miles, Mr. John Williams, Mr. Mullings, Mr. Brown,
Mr. Alderman Thompson, Mr. Edmund Denison, Mr.
Forster, and Mr. Heat'ncoat.—Agreed to.
The Sites for Schools Bill went through Committee.
The Palace Court (Westminster) Bill was read a
second time, on the motion of Lord DUDLEY
STUART, and was ordered to be committed on Friday.
On the motion of the ATTORNEY-GENERAL,
leave was given to bring in a Bill to extend the pro-
visions of the Acts . for the more speedy trial and
punishment of juvenile offenders, and to apply the
same to the trial and punishment of larcenies of small
amount.
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The Bill. as brought in and read a first time.
On the motion of Mr. ROEBUCK, the following
Members were appointed the Select Committee on Debts
from Foreign Governments :—Mr. Roebuck, Mr. Glyn,
Mr. Disraeli, Mr. S. Wortley, Mr. J. A. Smith, Mr.
Charteris, Mr. Henry Drummond, Mr. A. Matheson,
and Mr. Cardwell.
The House adjourned at a Quarter past One.

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STATE ..OF THE STEAM NAYY
--e—TO LORD JOHN RUSSELL.
My Lord—When Lord Mulgrave, a General in the
Army, was First Lord of the Admiralty, the late Lord
Melville, conceiving that the affairs of the navy were not
properly administered, addressed a letter to the Prime
Minister, rightly judging that he was responsible to the
country for the acts of his subordinates. It is for this
same reason that I now address your Lordship. For six
years that I sat in the House of Commons I endeavoured
to draw the attention of Government and of Parliament,
and, through them, of the country, to the enormous waste
of public money in the Naval Department, and more
especially in the construction of steam ships of war ;
the then Board of Admiralty and their predecessors
being equally culpable, successfully resisted all inquiry;
and, on one occasion, when I warned them of the folly of
building five or six iron steamers without trying one, I
was met by the Secretary exultingly exclaiming " We
are buildiag forty."
When your Lordship came into office you found it
necessary to propose an addition to the income-tax ;
then, and not till then, were the eyes of the House of
Commons opened, and they clamourously called for a
Committee on naval-and military expenditure.
Your Lordship acceded, a Committee was appointed,
and they began with the navy. On this Committee there
was not one naval officer, but there were many interested
in preventing the truth coming before the country.
Nevertheless, a tolerable expose was made of the manner
the public money had been wasted.
I shall not now enter into the whole of the report on
naval matters, but will confine myself to what I con-
sider the most important point, because it is the one on
which the safety of the country depends—l mean steam.
After a long and patient investigation it was discovered
that in no instance since the formation of a steam
marine had the constructor of the ship, the maker of
the engines, and the seamen been brought together to
consult on one of the most difficult points of naval archi-
tecture. It never entered into the heads of the Admi-
ralty, the constructor of the vessel, or the maker of the
engines, that a steam vessel of war was comparatively
useless unless her engines, and, above all, her boilers,
were protected from enemies' shot; nor did they even
think that it was necessary to have the main deck ports
in frigates sufficiently high to use their guns when
loaded even with the small proportion of coals they were
enabled to carry; the main deck was in consequence
never armed; but, nevertheless, the Committee of the
House of Commons reported that we had twenty
steam frigates, when I shall shortly show we
have only three. Publicly and privately,, fur nearly
twenty years, with all- Admiralties, and all parties,
lin vain endeavoured to correct these evils. Although
I had more experience in the construction of steam-
vessels than most naval officers, I had not the presump-
tion to suppose that all my views were correct; all I
asked at different times, in and out of Parliament, was
the appointment of a committee of naval officers and en-
gineers to weigh well all the difficulties, and come to
some system, instead of groping in the dark and wasting
the public money. All my efforts were useless, till in
1825 Sir G. Cockburn, with, I believe, the sanction of
Sir Robert Peel, invited me to build a steam-frigate,
which after much consideration I undertook to do, and
chose for my builder Mr. Fincham, and for the engine-
maker Mr. Seaward. Plans were drawn of the ships
and engines, the builder and the engineer were brought
together ; the plans were considered for months;
officers who had commanded steam-vessels of war and
steam merchant ships were consulted; and finally the
Sidon determined upon. The great difficulty in steam-
vessels of war is the stowage. Hitherto the proportion
of coals to the horse-power had been too small, and even
then when full, the wheels were buried in the water, and
the frigates were incapable of carrying their main deck
guns, and thus became only overgrown corvettes, mount-
ing six or eight guns, miscalled frigates because com-
manded by post- captains.
In the Sidon those evils were corrected; she carries
upwards of 700 tons of coals; her main deck ports nearly
seven feet out of the water, and a complete armament of
14 guns, 32-pounders in her main, and four 68-pounders
in the upper, which are now being changed to 24
68-pounders, having a clear main deck, with the excep-
tion of the shaft, the boiler and engines below the water
line, and the coal boxes so fitted that when the coals are
expended water ballast is taken in to prevent the wheels
being too much out of the water; but, notwithstanding
all the care and attention, the Sidon was by no means per-
fect, and, in the first instance, required considerable
alteration in her machinery. A plan, proposed by Mr.
Seaward, to work the standing gear and the eccentrics
below the water line failed, and was obliged to be
changed, and her boilers were much too small to pro-
duce steam; in fact, though propelled by an engine
of 560- horse power. the boilers were only equal to
350; she is now about being supplied with boilers of
larger dimensions. Before the Sidon was built the
Terrible and Retribution were produced—the former
of 1,840 tons and 800-horse power, scarcely carrying
500 tons of coals, a large part of which occupies the
main deck, and theboiler' and engines take up the greater
part of the hold and lower deck; she carries a good ar-
mament, but her bow and stern are so badly arranged
that the longest guns that could be found were put in her
and even then they were so far inside the cells of the
port that they were fired with great difficulty and dan-
ger, and the after guns occupy the greater part of the
captain's cabin. This vessel has great speed, and sails
-well, but she has neither room for troops or stores, and
is rather an expensive advice boat.
The Retribution is of 1,680 tons, with an 800-horse
engine, carries no main deck guns, and is so ineffi-
cient that her power is about to be reduced to 400-
horse. The Sidon was followed by the Odin, of nearly
the same dimensions and the same horse power, but
2 feet 9 inches less depth of hold. She carries little
more than half the coal, fewer guns, and these guns too
low. Her main deck is not clear. The lines of both
are the same, with long flat floors, and they have proved
themselves excellent sea boats. Captain Henderson's
evidence may be seen in the Committee on Merchant
Steamers.
About the time the Odin was ready for sea I was ap-
pointed to command the Channel squadron; the Sidon,
Odin, Dragon, Avenger, Stromboli and Vixen were put
under my orders. With coals in proportion to the horse-
power the Odin was first, Sidon second, and Dragon and
Avenger nearly alike; with 700 tons of coals in Sidon,
and about half in Odin, the latter beat Sidon a mile an
hour. Both were so steady they could work their large
guns in a heavy swell with ease; the others, with the
exception of the Dragon, could not cast them loose.
Before the trials, I suggested that the construction
of the Leopard should be suspended, which was acceded
to; but, owing to want of concert, the engines were
forgotten, and they were finished, though the vessel is
still in frame. After the trials were over, I urged the
Admiralty to make the Leopard an improved Sidon,
by adding a foot to her breadth, and 10 to her length;
but by some unfortunate fatality their Lordships
took • a middle course, and instead of her being
superior to both, she will be better than the Odin,
, and the engines will require
and inferior to the Sidon
to be raised at least a foot to make them agree with
theth e vessel,
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borate table describing both vessels and engines, to the
most minute parts, submitted to the Admiralty; but,
notwithstanding, we are still working in the dark, and
the four or five steamers now on the stocks will be little
more efficient than those already in the water. They
are too large for corvettes, and too small for frigates;
the depth of hold is the same as in the Odin, and
though it has been proved that the Odin can carry
main deck guns, these new vessels, though within a
few tons of the Sidon, are positively being constructed
without main deck ports, I have before stated that the
Committee of the House of Commons has reported
that we have 20 steam-frigates. Where are they?
We have three—the Terrible, Sidon, and Odin; all the
rest are steam corvettes, mounting six guns, commanded
by post captains, and misnamed frigates. Even the
Penelope, a lengthened frigate, has been obliged to give
up her main deck guns. In addition to these we have
three line-of-battle ships and four frigates with screws,
but they are only auxiliaries, and have not the speed of
paddle steamers.
I have been obliged, my Lord, to go into these details
to enable me to show that with such an inefficient steam
marine the country is not safe. The French have a
much more efficient steam navy than we have. We have
more horse power, and, I believe, more tonnage; but my
Lord, France has 20 steam frigates capable of mounting
32 guns each, and of carrying 2,000 troops with ease.
These vessels were ostensibly built for packets, but were
afterwards turned into men-of-war; and though different
Admiralties have been told of this over and over again,
they either did not, or pretended not, to believe it. I
have seen them, been on board of them, and reported on
them; and I presume it is now beyond a doubt, as it is
known than in less than 30 hours some of them have
carried 2,000 men from Toulon to Civita Vecchia,
and one, with a vessel in tow, took a regiment of
cavalry there. I will not ask your Lordship
what the French are doing at Rome ; it is
enough for my argument that they are there; and
that they went there without telling the Romans they
were coming. I advise your Lordship to look at the
chart not at the distance from Toulon to Civita
Vecchia, but at the distance from Cherbourg to Port-
land. Expeditions, my Lord, are not what they used to
be before the invention of steam and railroads. It took
months to collect transports and troops, and months
afterwards to move them to their destination. The
French are now besieging Rome—they most probably
will carry it; and we, most probably, shall remonstrate
mofsbpeiitnhgeadde
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—if we dare. has your Lordship forgotten the affair
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for
men, and the French so superior to us that we might
have been beaten in detail? If your Lordship has for-.
gotten iter have not. Has your Lordship forgotten the
affair at Otaheite, when we were powerless, and even
forced to patch it up, and I doubt if the indemnity is
paid to this cloy? Has your Lordship forgotten that we
q to intercept the
uadrou war? Has your Lord-
shipsent a fleet to Copenhagen and stole the Danish fleet in
profound
ffounnrdgnpteteancet,hwaitthwoeutsenta s
declaring
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tt e galleons,n withoutthis w
country declaring s war? Has your Lord-
howabamboozled by France
about the Spanish marriages, and that by a regular Go-
vernment, notwithstanding the entente cordiale ? and has
your Lordship forgotten the Duke of Wellington's
letter, in which he exposed the defenceless state of the
country ? I have not forgotten, these occurrences, and
I look upon our present position with the greatest op-

prehension. Lord Lansdowne says we hive-not remon-
strated as yet with France anti Austria: I ask your
Lordship if we are in a conditi on to remonstrate. When
Rome is taken—which I fear it will be—if we offer any
threat, if we say ono offensivo word. what is to hinder
the French collecting the vary steam vessels that trans-
ported the French army to tile capital of the Catholic
world, at Cherbourg, and transporting an army to the
capital of Protestant England "? It may be argued that
the French have their hands. full already; that they are
quarrelling amongst thenise Ives. What, my Lord,
would unite them so soon sac a war cry ? It appears
the Government have got the better of the Red Republi-
cans. The President, in hie speech, tells France that
they have an army of 450,0(10 men; they have a sailing
navy nearly equal to our own, and a steam navy far su-
perior.
The army seem stanch to their colours, and if we dare
to remonstrate—if we dare to say an offensive word,
were Louis Napoleon to hold up his fingers, and pro.
nounce the name of England,, I verily believe the whole
army, Red Republicans and all, would throw up their
caps, and rush to the sea coast, just as the gold diggers
do to California; they would. find a rich harvest here,
and easier reaped than by digging; and what, my Lord,
have we to prevent them? If in 1847 it was thought
advisable to have a Channel. fleet of six sail of the line,
and as many steamers, when. ;France was quiet and under
a strong Government, is it not more necessary now when
all France, and indeed all Europe, seem to have run
mad? If, my Lord, there seas a bridge between Dover
and Calais,, and France was: quiet, would you withdraw
your sentinels? Far less of tght you to do it when Louis
Philippe is hurled from his throne, and the country in
revolution. There are bri ages, my Lord—moveable
bridges. Ono has already loassed from Toulon to Rome
30,000 men; another may pass a still larger force from
Cherbourg to Portland; and yet, my Lord, you have
withdrawn your sentinels, and, at the bidding of Mr.
Cobden and his arhitratio a party, have turned adrift
4,500 seamen. The First Lord of the Admiralty says
the reductions are not so lee •ge as was supposed. He is
mistaken; your reductions are larger; apparently, it is
3,000 men; in reality, it is; 4,500, because you had at
least 1,500 men above the es timate.
It may be sail I am exposing the nakedness of the
land. The Duke of Wellington's letter has done that
already; but his Grace's let ter was not necessary. The
French Government know j asst as well as we do the force
of every ship of war in the service, the station of every
regiment, the number of our guns, and, I dare say, the
number of the muskets in ail our arsenals. I may be
called an alarmist. I confess it ; I am alarmed at our
defenceless state ; and I hope to God I shall alarm the
Government, the Parliament, and the people. Let Mr.
Cobden and his party arbiir.ate if they will. Let them
go to Paris now, and ask the French to withdraw from
Rome—ask them to reduce their enormous army—and
no man will be happier than I shall b© to see all our
establishments reduced. But, until he has got his
arbitration into play, let us„ for God's sake, take care
of ourselves.
Your Lordship may say we have already a reserve
steam force which has cost the country millions. That
is true. But what a contort:Table force it is—a force
that is quite unequal to con tend with France.
Your Lordship may ask what I propose. I will tell
your Lordship. Put the whole strength of your dock-
yards on the steam-vessels (such as they are) now on the
stocks, and get them ready for service.
The Queen has beeia commissoned—man her and fit
her oat as fast as possible; complete the crews of the
Superb and Ganges; man Ile Blenheim and Ajax screw
steamers out of the Excellenot; fit out and arm your best
steam-vessels; and -do this at once before your sailors
go to Denmark and Germanys; let this squadron assemble
at Spithead. You will then, be in a position to arbitrate
or remonstrate if you will. Watch well the progress of
events in the Mediterranean, and if any war take place,
order the fleet home for the protection of our own shores.
Parliament cannot object to this; Mr. Cobden could not
object to it, It is a precaut ion; it will not be an expen-
sive precaution. If you do not want to press for money
at present, you may susper.d works in progress in the
doclzyards, that are not pre: wing. Search closely into all
your departments; ransack the dockyards, and you will
find the means of saving thousands and thousands of
pounds ; appoint a committee of experienced steam
officers to decide how your future steam-vessels shall be
built; give up cutting and carving and changing ships'
bows and sterns; give up t:onverting good sailing ships
into bad steamers at au enormous expense; and look
more strictly at the expense of your dockyards: and you
have no occasion to go to Parliament for more

money.
I remain, your Lordship's obedient servant,
CHARLES NAPIER, Rear-Admiral,
And late Commander-in-Chiet of the Channel
Squadron.

THE WATER LOO BANQUET.
Last evening the Duke of Wellington gave the annual
banquet at Apsley House, in celebration of the battle of
Waterloo, to the officers who participated in the honours
of that memorable achieve neat of British valour.
It has been for many years past customary for the no•
bility to make congratulatory visits to the venerable
Duke on this anniversary of one of his most signal vic-
tories, and yesterday ahoy& one thousand calls were made
at the ducal residence. His Excellency the Prussian
Minister and Madame Ba, leen, his Excellency the Bel-

gian Minister and Madame Van de Weyer, the Austrian
Minister and the Countess Colloredo, his Excellency
Prince Castelcicala, and his, Excellency Count Kielman-
segge, being among the Foreign Ministers who made
complimentary visits ;. and ' among the aristocracy
the Duke and Duchess of Richmond, the Duke and
Duchess of Beaufort, the Duke and Duchess of
Northumberland, the Duchess Dowager of North-
umberland, the Marquis and Marchioness of
Salisbury, the Marquis and Marchionees of Ely,
the Marchioness of Cony agham, the Marchioness Dow-
ager of Downshire, the Marchioness Dowager of Ely,
the Marquis of Winchester, the Marchioness of Sligo;
Earls Aberdeen, Jersey, Jermyn, Kinnoull, Craven,
Strafford, Chichester, Sandwich, Delawarr, Verulam,
Nelson, Ellenborough, Bendon, Grey, Brow, nlow, Had-
dington, March, Mulgritve, Normanton, and Weide-
grave ; Countesses Jersey-, Craven, Verulam, Nelson,
Dowager Nelson, Haddington, March, Kinnoull, Brown-
low, Sandwich ; Viscounts Beresford, Combermere,
Maynard, Strangford, Somerton, Villiers; Viscountesses
Beresford, Hardinge, Combermere; Lords Colchester,
Braybrocke, John Russell, Ernest Bruce, Henniker,
Seymour, Colville, Willoughby de Eresby, De Ros,
Southampton, George Moaners, Elphinstone, Forester,
Norreys; Ladies John Russell, C. Villiers, F. Hay, H.
Somerset, Seymour, Colchester, Colville, Fuller, Wil.
loughby de Eresby, Braybrooke, de Ros, Southampton,
Emily Drummond, Rolle, Norreys, Henniker; Sir Robert
and Lady Peel, Sir John and Lady Shelley, Sir Hugh
and Lady Hume Campbell, Sir J. Buller East, Sir F.
and Lady Lewis, Sir John Cam Hobhouse, Sir Arthur
Ayton, Sir J. W. Riddell, Sir J. M`Gregor, Sir J.
Kirkland, Sir W. Verner, Sir C. W. Thornton, Sir J.
and Lady Antrobus, Sir H. Floyd, Sir F. and Lady
Thesiger, Lady Maria West, Mr. and Lady Mary
Ross, &c.
As is invariably the case, a vast crowd of curious
spectators congregated in Piccadilly to witness the arri-
val of the gallant veterans to the banquet, but on this
occasion the assemblage far outnumbered what had been
previously seen, for there could nut have been less than
4,000 individuals mustered. At both entrances to the
courtyard of Apsley House a great many equipages of
the nobility and equestrians had collee;ed, among which
were numerous members of the nobility. Notwithstand•
ing the public interest without, and the occasional stop-
page of public vehicles, the best order was enforced by a
powerful body of the C division of police, commanded by
the able Superintendent Beresford, and consequently no
interruption occurred.
The gallant and distinguished personages invited to
this purely national entertainment began to arrive at
seven o'clock; and when the Marquis of Anglesey and
Viscount Hardinge arrived they were recognized by the
populace and warmly cheered.
The band of the Grenadier Guards was in attendance
in the inner vestibule, and as the Waterloo heroes passed
through, played suitable martial airs.
His Royal Highness Prince Albert arrived at twenty
minutes past seven o'clock, attended by the Marquis of
Abercorn, Colonel E. P. Bouverie, and -Colonel Buckley.
Immediately on the royal carriage approaching the man-
sion, the illustrious consort of our beloved Sovereign was
welcomed by repeated bursts of applause from the crowd
of persons. The Duke of Wellington, attired in the full
uniform of a field-marshal in the British army, came to
the portico to receive the Prince, and the greeting was
cordial in the extreme.
The Noble Duke conducted his illustrious guests to
the saloon, in which the whole of the Waterloo officers
had collected previously to the banquet, to all of whom
the Prince bowed his respects. The Prince was in the
full review uniform of the Scots Fusilier Guards, and
this year the Marquis 'of Anglesey wore the uniform of
the Royal Horse Guards, the Marquis, on other occa-
sions, having appeared in his old venerated habiliments
as Colonel of the 7th Hussars, which he seemed to have
been loath to doff.
It is quite unnecessary to enter on any detail of the
gorgeous embellishments of the sumptuously arranged
gallery in which this banquet annually takes place. The
banquetting board was illuminated chiefly from the valu-
able candelabra presented to the Duke by the late
Emperor of Russia, and in the centre was the magnifi-
cent silver plateau, the gift of the Portuguese
nation, as an acknowledgment of the Dake's
great services to that country. Some costly china vases
(filled with flowers), the gift of some defunct Conti
nental sovereign, Count D'Orsay's equestrian statues of
Napoleon, the Duke, and the Queen, and massive can-
delabra, were the principal features on the table, if we
may except two luxuriant dwarf vines, bearing a super-
fluity of fruit of the most exuberant culture, a present
from a Mr. Beaufoy, and some enormous• pines the
Duke was presented with from an equally kind admirer.
At each end of the gallery was a be.aufet, crowded
with gold plate, in the shape of gold salvers, candelabr,
&c. Flaxman's celebrated shield was among the consist-
cuous objects that met the eye, and also the handsome
tribute, the candelabra presented to his Grace
cher the
citizens of London, and the superb gold vase, he gift
of the nobility of his native country.
We aro gratified to say the mortality among the " gay
soldiers" who shared the glories and dangers
_of Wa-
terloo, has this year not been so serious as might have
one general officer has passed
been anticipated, for only
to "that bourne from whence no traveller returns " ex-
cept the lamented King of the Netherlands.
The guests of the Noble and Gallant Duke, in addi-
tion to Field-Marshal his Royal Highness Prince
Albert, and the Marquis of Abercorn (groom of the
stole to the Royal Prince) were all Waterloo officers,
and included—
His Excellency General Prince Castelcicala, the
Neapolitan Minister.
His Excellency, Major-General Count Kielmansegge,
the Hanoverian Minister, and of the British army.
Field-Marshal the Marquess of Anglesey, K.G..
G.C.8., and G.0,H., colonel of the Royal Horse Guards,

General the Earl of Strafford, G.C.8., and G.C.H.,
colonel of-the 29th Foot.
General Sir Colin Halkett, G.C.8., and G.C.H.,
colonel of the 45th Foot.
General the Right Hon. Sir Frederick Adam, G.C.B.
and G.C.M.G., colonel of the 2lstFoot.
Lieutenant-General Sir Edward ' Kerrison, Bart.,
G.C.B. and G.C.H., colonel of the 14th Light Dragoons.
Lieutenant-General Sir Andrew F. Barnard, G.C.B.
and G.C.H., colonel of the Rifle Brigade.
Lieutenant-General Sir Alexander Woodford, K.C.B.
and G.C.M.G., colonel of the 40th Foot.

Lieutenant-General Lord Fitzroy J. H. Somerset,
G.C.8., colonel of the 53d Foot.
Lieutenant-General Sir James Macdohell, G.C.B. and
K.C.H., colonel of the 7lst Foot.
Lieutenant-General James W. Sleigh, C. 8., colonel
of the 9th Dragoons.

Lieutenant-General Sir Arthur B. Clifton, K.C.B.
and K.C.H., colonel of the Ist Dragoon Guards.
Lieutenant-General the Earl of Cathcart, K.C.8.,
colonel of the 3d Dragoon Guards.
Lieutenant-General Viscount Hardinge, G. C. 8.,
colonel of the 57th Foot.
Lieutenant-General the Hon. E. P. Lygon, C. 8.,
colonel of the 13th Dragoons.
Lieutenant-General Sir George Scovell,
colonel of the 4th Dragoons.
Lieutenant-General Sir N. Douglas, K C.B. and
K. 0.11, colonel of the 72d Foot.
Lieutenant •General Lord Saltoun. K.C.8., and G.C.H.,
colonel of the 2d Foot.
Lieutenant-General Henry Wyndham, colonel of the
11th Hussars.
Lieutenant-General Sir Edward Bowater, K.C.H.,
colonel of the 49th Foot.

Major-General Sir H. W. Itooke, C.B. and K.C.H.
Major-General H. D'Oyly, colonel of the 33d Foot.
Major-General the Hon. H. Murray, C. 8., colonel of
the 7th Dragoon Guards.
Major-General T. Dalmer, C. 8., colonel of the 47th
Foot.

Major-General James flay, C. 8., colonel of the 79th
Foot.

Major. General Sir Hew Dalrymple Ross, R.C.B ,
deputy-adjutant-general to the Royal Artillery.
Major-General Douglas Mercer, C.B.
Major-General John Reeve.
Major-General Archibald Money, C. 8., K.C.
Major-General E. Parkinson, C.B.
Major-General R. Llewellyn, C.B.
Major-General Richard Egerton, C.B.
Major-General Sir Wm. Chalmers, C. 8., K.C.H.
Major-General James Boteler Parker, C.B.
Major-General James Claud Bouchier, K.C.
Major-General James Grant, C.B.
Major- General Thomas W. Taylor, C.B.
Major-General Felix Calvert, C.B.
Major-General Sir De Lacy Evans, K.C.B.
Major-General A. Macdonald, C.D.
Major-General Lord James Hay.
Major-General. James Shaw Kennedy, C.B.
Major-General Lord Sandys.
Major-General George Bowles, Master of the Queen's
Household.
Major-General F. W. Robbins.
Major- General Roderick M'Neil.
Major-General W. L. Waken.
COLONELS.-11. Dawkins, Michael Childers, C. B:,
Thomas Wildman, Lion. H. Hely Hutchinson, John
Martin, Sir J. Maxwell Wallace, K.H., W. G. Moore,
Sir H. Floyd, Bart., Edward Keane, James Simpson,
Hon. G. Anson, S. Stone, Lord Hotham, C. P. Ellis,
Hon. G. Cathcart, F. P. Buckley, Charles Yorke, Ber-
keley Drummond, C. F. R. Lascelles, E. W. Bouverie,
Lord Rokeby, J. C. Chatterton, and A. C. Kennedy.
LIEUTENANT-COLONELS.—The Right Hon. George
Lionel Dawson Darner, Hon. George T. Keppel, Mar-
tin, and G. W. Horton.
The illustrious Duke was supported on his right by
his Royal Highness Prince Albert and Field-Marshal
the Marquis of Anglesey, and on the reverse side by
their Excellencies Prince Castelcicala and Count Kiel-
mansegge.
Covers were laid for eighty persons, and we believe
there was only one vacant place, which arose from the
sudden indisposition of a Gallant General.
The fine military band of the Duke's regiment was
stationed in an adjoining saloon, and performed during
the banquet a varied selection of music, among which
was—

Overture—" Fra Diavolo"
Aria—" Nebuccodonozar "
Waltz —" Die Mozartisten" Lanner.
Polka—" Cavallay "
Selection from the "Barber of Seville"
Signal March Kuhner.
The repast being concluded, and the dessert having
been placed on the bauquetting board,
The Duke of WELLINGTON rose, and gave the health
of "The Queen ;" and his Grace, with energy of feeling,
said the British soldier had ever been distinguished for
the love he bore his Sovereign, and his friends were all
aware how our revered Queen was beloved by all grades
of the British army, as well as by her subjects.
The toast was drunk with all honours. After the
applause of the general company, had subsided,
Band—" God save the Queen. '
His Royal Highness Prince ALBERT then rose, and
said it was a high gratification to hear the enthusiastic
greetings that welcomed the loyalty of the Duke, and on
behalf of her Majesty he had to offer the gallant com.
pany his most grateful thanks. He would avail himself
of the opportunity to propose the health of the great
man at whose festive board they had assembled—" The
Duke of Wellington."—(Loud applause.)
The toast having been drunk with three times three,
the band played " See the conquering hero comes."
The Duke of WELLINGTON, bowing to all his friends,
merely said he was delighted to see so many old familiar
faces around him, and most cordially thanked them all.
The Noble and Gallant DUKE gave next in order,
" The Army that fought the battle of Waterloo."
Band—" The dashing Sergeant."
His GRACE then rose, and proposed—" To our friends
and companions in arms who tell at Waterloo."
The toast was drunk in solemn silence.
The Noble DUKE on rising to offer the next toast,
having previously ordered the company to fill their
glasses, said he bad the pleasure to propose—" The
health of the excellent Prince who had honoured them
with-his presence, and had to request them to drink hia
health and that of the Royal Family."
The toast was received with loud applause, and was
drunk with three times three.
Band—" The Coburg March."
His Royal Highness Prince ALBERT said that he had
to apologise to the brave officers present for the inter-
ruption his name had occasioned in the toasts appro-
priate to the day. He could not more than express the
great value he attached to the privilege of the Noble Duke
to attend at the banquet to commemorate so glorious a
day. He begged to thank them for the honour they had
conferred on him in so warmly responding to the toast
of the illustrious Duke.—(Cheers.)
The Gallant DUKE rose and said, he begged leave to
propose a branch of the army that achieved so much at
Waterloo, with which he would couple the name of a
noble and gallant friend near him, " The Marquis of
Anglesey—(Appiause)—and the cavalry that fought
at Waterloo."
Band—" Cavalry Quick March."
The Marquis of ANGLESEY briefly returned thanks.
The Noble DUKE then gave, " The Infantry at Wa-
terloo, and the Earl of Strafford."
Band—" Military Quick Step."
General the Earl of STRAFFORD returned his gratefu
acknowledgments in a short address.
The Noble DUKE then proposed,
Guards that fought at Waterloo."
The toast was drank with three times three, the band
playing " British Grenadiers."
Lieutenant- General Sir A. WOODFORD said he was
delighted to have the honour of returning thanks for the
Guards, and by the mere fact of the Noble Duke so
favourably mentioning their services, it was a reward for
the present, and an encouragement for the future.
The DUKE then gave, " The Artillery that served at
Waterloo, and General Sir Hew Ross."
Band—March.
Major-General Sir HEW DALRYMPLE Ross returned
thanks for that department of the army.
The DUKE then rose, and said he had to offer as the
next toast, " The health of those old allies who had as-
sisted at Waterloo." He spoke in high terms of the
services rendered by the Hanoverian army, and those of
our other allies, and with this toast ho would introduce
the names of General Halkct, Count Kielmansegge, and
Prince Castelcicala.
Band—German military sir.
Lieutenant-General Sir COLIN HALKET and his Ex-
cellency Count KIELMANSEGGE respectively returned
thanks, when
His Excellency Prince CASTELCICALA rose and said—
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thanks for the honour you have done me in drinking my
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of war except defeat.—(Cheers.) I pray your Grace
may, for the public good and your own particular happi-
ness, see many returns of the day.—(Cheers.)
The Noble DUKE then said that his friends were all
aware of the services rendered by the officers ofl the
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staff, and the active duty in which they were emp eyed_
He would give them, " The Staff oft e Army at Water
100, and the Earl of Cathcart."
The toast having been responded to,
The Earl of CATECART rose and returned
his Grace
and his brother officers his sincere acknowledgments on
behalf of the staff at Waterloo.
The DUKE then rose, and stated they had drunk the
health of the Infantry at Waterloo, but they were bound
not to forget their friends of the Rifles.—(Laughter and
applause.) They had done their duty manfully, and had
proved themselves a credit to the British army, and he
would couple the names of Generals Adam and Barnard.
General the Right Hon. Sir F. ADAM, and Lieu-
tenant-General Sir ANDREW BARNARD both returned
thanks.
The Noble DUKE then proposed, " the Prussian Army
at Waterloo," on whose timely assistance the battle had
much to depend. He would give with that toast the
name of his friend Viscount Hardinge—(Chcers)—who
had subsequently been called on to fill the highest offices
to his country.
Lieut.-General Viscount HARDINGE said—My Lord
Duke and Gentlemen, nothing could give me greater
pleasure than associating my name with the Prussian
army, and, after adverting to the,remark of the Duko of
Wellington as to his conduct in India, he was glad to say
that since their last meeting Lord Gough had achieved
an important victory, and he was glad to say that Gal-
lant Friend of his would shortly return to this country
crowned with the laurels of victory.
At this period of the proceedings Prince Albert, ac•
eompanied by the Duke and gallant company, retired to
partake of coffee.
At a quarter to eleven the Prince Consort, Attended, by

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