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AGRICULTURAL 'MEETING AT CHICHESTER.

On Wednesday last a very numerous Meeting
of Farmers took place at the Swan Inn, Chiches-
ter, Mr. STEPIIEN WOOLDRIDGE in the Chair.
About 200 persons, as many as the room could
contain at the tables, dined. Afte/ dinner,' the
farmers, who were not able to find room at the
Swan, came from the other market dinners 'for
the purpose of bearing the discussion which was
expected, as to the causes, extent, and remedy of
the present distress under which the Agricu.ltural
body suffered.—The following toasts were given
from the Chair :

" The King, and may he never forget his own words, viz.
.‘
That he held his Crown in trust for his " with

three times three.

" The memory of the injured and lamented Queen Caro-
line," in solemn silence.
" The" Royal Family, and may they never forget the priti_
elides which placed their Family on the Throne of this
Kingdom."
Mr. WOOLDRIDGE then addressed the Meeting. He
said, that it was needless in him to take up the time of that
company by any statement of that with which they were all
too fully acquainted, namely, the depressed state of the agri-
cultural interest. He saw with pleasure around him a great
proportion of the farmers in that part of the County of Sus-
sex, sonic of them from thirty miles distance, who were all
more or less suffering under that depression. It was natural
for men so situated, to feel great anxiety for the fullest. in-
formation on a subjtct, in which not only their personal in.
terests, but the prosperity of the kingdom, was involved. It
was with great satisfaction, therefore, that he saw near him
a gentleman whose name was known to them all—whose
writings were in the hands of the farmers of the kingdom,
and who, perhaps, was the individual best qualified, as hav-
ing foreseen the distress, to point
.out the remedy. It was
unnecessary, after this description, to.say he meant Mr. Cob-
bett.—(Lood applause).—lle rose therefore to propose the
health a that gentleman, thanking him for the honour of
his company that day, and with the hope.that he would take
the trouble of delivering his opinions to the company on that
most important subject. •
The health of • Mr. Cobbctt was drank with three times
three. _ _

Mr. COBBETT, having thanked the meeting for the
honour they had done him, said, that he would by no means
hold out a hope to them that he was able to perform the wish.
that the too high opinion of the Worthy Chairman had as-
signed him ; but that he would endeavour not to make what
was called a speech—one of those things by which the Arch-
Impostor had so largely contributed towards producing the
present ruin ; but he would endeavour to communicate to
the meeting sonic really useful information as to matters in
which they were all so deeply interested. In consequence of the
public announcement of the fact that he had been invited to
attend at that meeting, a writer in a Brighton newspaper
bad sa.d, that "Cobbett was not wanted at Chichester, for
that the Duke of Richmond and Lord Selsea had not raised
their rents during the.war ; and that, therefore, the farmers
in the neighbourhood of Chichester were not in distress,
and wanted no Cobbett to talk to their on the subject." He
(Mr. Cobbett) was ignorant as to the facts stated in that
letter; thase who rented under the two Noblemen, best
knew whether their rents had been raised during the war;
hut, supposing the fact to be true—supposing their .rents
not to have been raised---yet, if these tenants believed
that they could not pay the rents of the year 170, .he
(Mr. Cobbett) was sure that they need " Cobbett," or some-
body.else, to shew them their error. and to save them from
ruin. That the prices were lower now than before the war,
he spewed by referring to Returns from Greenwich Hospital,
that the prices of Flour, Wheat, and Cheese, were higher in
the ycar'l79o than at this time ; and then he asked—whether,
with the present increased . burens, it was possible for the
farmer to pay the rents of that year ?—(" No, no, no!")—
He had, on a recent occasion, shewn the error on which that
liberal Nobleman Earl Fitzwilliam, had acted, when he so
generously reduced his rents 45 per cent., and he would now,
in illustration of the question, mentioma similar error into
which another great and respectable Nobleman (the Marquis
of Stafford) had fallen. His Lordship,iii order to reduce his
rents to a just standard, in order to obviate the exits of fluc-
tuating prices, and, of course, fluctuating means of pay-
ing rents; with this laudable effort in view his Lord-
ship had settled the terms • of a corn rent with his
tenants, which terms were these—taking ten shillings a
bushel for wheat to be the price adequate to the paying of
the war rent, and supposing a farm to have then paid 4001. a
year rent, the same farm (wheat being at Sc. a bushel) was
to pay 2001. a year rent; and, if the wheat fell to 2s. 6d. a
bushel, it was to pay tool. a year rent, and so on. Nothing
at the first blush could be more fair, more honourable
than that; it was on the part of that Nobleman repairing
the injury inflicted by the paper system ; restoring in his,
opinion the balance of justice broken by the shifting of the
'currency. But, though he had heard and thought the fact
very probable, that Mr. Huskisson had been the adviser of
that measure, he (Mr. Cobbett) was convinced that the saes-
sure
.was .founded in a great oversight of those who advised,
and who adopted it. If, indeed, the whole of the outgoings
of the farmer consisted of rent, then nothing could be more
completely just than the voluntary offer of the Noble Mar-
quis ; but every farmer knew, not one out of the hundreds
that then did him the bottom- to hear, did not well know that
"the rent formed but a comparatively small portion of the out-
goings of a farm. To have made the arrangement of the No-
ble Marquis practically just, he ought to have taken all the
other outgoings into view—the outgoings occasioned by the
addition to the taxes and rates, which.were very nearly as
high in nominal amount as they were during the war, and
which were, in fact, nearly tiller times as great in amount as
at that time. The taxes going out silently-in the form of
wages, poor-rates, hills to agricultural•tradesmen, and for ar-
ticles consumed in the farm-house, were twice in amount that
of rent; and therefore these should have been taken into ac-
count by Lord Stafford, and if they had been, he would have
found that the farmer, though the rent were settled according
to the price of corn, could have little or nothing left to pay
any Tent at all with.—(Hear, hear.)—Now all these observa-
tions apylied to the case of tin tenants of the Noble Duke

and the Noble Lord before mentioned, who, admitting the
fact, of which he knew nothing, that these tenants were still,
and always had remained at the tents of 1790, could not now
pay the rents of 17P0, except out of the capitals, which must
in time. be exhausted, that is So say, the ruin of these tenants
thirst finally conic.—(Heat:, hear, hear !).—We had, howester,
now beard broached the monstrous doctrine that taxes do not
eause'any-part of the distress,-that taxes never ;ould be op-
pressive to the tamer and that doctrine was pressed with an
eagerness characteriStic of perfect desperation.—(Cheers.)— •
It signifrednothing tildt all mankind had always been of a di f-
fereut opinion—it signified nothing that the Agricultural Coals
inittee had said fliAlii:Ce4 dial produce distress t it signified' ,
nothing that common- ssoise cried albud against the prelims
terrotis assertion. Mr. Ricardo, Marquis of Lonetouderry, Mr.
Vansittprt, and Mr. Huskisson, did now boldly assert, that
taxes weremet the'cause of the distress, and that the repeal
of them would add to the slistress, rather than produce relief:
There needed to men of sound
.onderstanding,stich
.as those
to' whom he was then addressing himself, no areinnent in
answer to an assertion somonstrOus ; but he would roeut ion
a siurie fact, which he would throw-down as a challenge to
the trill'e of these wise economists. On the day of the Meeting
at Epsom), Mr. finiowleSsof Thursley, pot into his (Mr. C.'s)
memorandum, stating that a farmer had `'few days
before taken, g 4 imartersmf.barley to a maltster at Godalmiugs
and ie exchange had,carried home four quisstasssof malt and
eijtht shillings. Now- had_there been- no- tflf• oil. the malt,
he would have taken home in exchange for his harks, the
Same four quarters of malt, and sight pourols instead of eight
shillinga.—(Continued eliters:)—Need it be asked whet heethe
eight pounds
.womld not !lace gone further than the eight s
-shillings in'enabling the fat veer to pay rent? And need there lie
.One more word said to confute the doctrine now pressed on tile
Country by Mr. Ricardo and the Ministers ?—(No, no).—it
being* so ;evident that the taxes were the great cause of the
'inability to pay rent; it being so evident, that when the capi-
tals of the present tanners were exhausted, there would be
no rents at all • it being evident, that having absolved the
capital of the :fanner, and the rent of the landlord, the Go-
vernment must next go to the tithes;—all this being so evi-
dent, it would naturally he asked, how it came to pass that
the landlords, the greatest of whom really filled the seats in
'the two Houses of Parliament, were so blind to their own in-
terest as not to reduce the taxes? . To account for the' seem-
ing insensibility, he must state what it gave him no pleasure
to slate. 'These landlords had but too many of their other
interests to attend to besides their estates. They were in
faCt deeply interested in keeping up the taxes. He disliked
being; on an occasion like this, personalin his observations,
but at the same time, unless he spoke out his mind freely, he
should be wholly unworthy of the honour that the Meetinghad
done him. Of the Noble Duke of Richmond he had never hearld
any harm, and hal, during the few hours be had been in his
neighbourhood, heard a great deal of good—(hear, hear!` ;
but he could not but know that the Noble Duke was a large re-
ceiver of taxes. Of another Noble Peer (the Earl of Egremont),
of his generosity, his goodness towards his tenants, his hu-
mane disposition, of his gi eat consideration for the labouring
elasses—(Cheers)he (Mr CO had heard a great .deal ; he
firmly believed all he- hait heard, and he himself could, from
his own experience, if it were necessary, state a strong proof
of the candour, liberality, and frankness of that Nobleman;
yet he (Mr. C.) must observe, that it was perfectly notorious
that'some members of the Noble Lord's family received, and
had long received, large sums of money out of these same bur-
densome tares. That being the case, the feelings of land-
lords were-divided; they naturally wished fur rent, bet they
liked the taxes too—(A laugh)—and they were, therefore,
disposed to listen to and believe those who told them that
time and patience on the part of the farmers would give them
both.--(Hear!)—'There was another person couneeted with
that part of the country, with regard.to whom he did not think
it necessary to be so very ceremoinous, he .meant'Mr. Hoskisa
son.—(Great laughing, and eagerness to hear.)—That Gentle-
man had, perha es,no verygreat landed estate of his own,though
he had a Yerylarge one belonging to the public unsler his ma-
nagement (hear!) the rents of which were a wonderful thing', if
there were time to notice them. But Mr. Huskisson was in
the actual receipt of from fiall' tc six thousand pounds a-year
out of the taxes; lie, besides, had lung had settled on him a
pension of 1,2001. a-year for life, whenever' he should be re-
ceiving less than 2,0001. ayear from the public in some.ether
way,—(hear,)—and with t bar commendable feelingof conjugal
tenderness which became an affectionate husband—(a laugh,)'
—had provided for luturityaud his relatives, by securing to his
wife a pension of from six hundred to a thousand pounds (he
did not then recollect the precise amount, but it was included
within the sums he had nientioned,) to commence from the
day of his death.—(continued cheers.)—Could the Meeting be
atany loss to discover a reason why Mr. Huskisson was so blind
as not to see that eight pounds would have been better than
eight shillings to. the. Thursley farmer, and to that farmer's
landlord ?—(1-lear,.hear, hear.)— And here he begged them
to mark the 'change in Mr. Haskisson's way of thinking as
to taxation. That gentleman was an advocate fOr the Corn-
Bill in 1;315, and upon that occasion lie said, that " While the
present taxes remained; the people must be content to cat dear
bread." Now, however, he said that it as-as good to have
cheap bread; and good also to have high taxes—(Heat, hear!)
He (Mr. C.) expressed, in-1815, his concurrence in ()pinion
.with Mr. Hu'skision, who was burnt in effigy at Havant for
the very saying new. quoted. But, he could not now agree
with the man who contended with all his might for the pre-
cise eoutiary of that .which he contended for in 1815. He
next proceeded to shew (in somewhat the same manner as at
the Epsom Meeting) that there was every reason to believe
that toe prices of farm produce must yet-fall very'consider-
ably. He hear adverted to the Ministerial pamphlet, ascribed
to Air. Courtenay, and containing the proposition that prices
must rise, because they did not now yield sufficient to pay the,.
cost of raising the crop. The cost consisted of wages of vari-
ous sorts, rates, taxes, traiesman'sliills, and interest of the
farnier'scapital. TheSe were all paid dailyand-hourly. There
was no annual audit fur the Tax,gatherer.—(Hears)—No, no,
his silent hand was unceasingly in minion to take from the
.farmer. The rent and- the farmer's profit consisted of what
might be left—they were surplus, and tint cost. But, to cut
the matter short, what was the conclusion to which that doc-•
trine of political economical 'necessity would lead ? Why this
—that if 101. an acre additional rt.." were now put on, prices
must rise to meet that addition.—(Hear.)—Hence they came
at once souse into the mental mire of the great Corn Bill
Qnack, namely,thatit was high price thatscaused the increase,
and not large quantities of currency that caused high price ;
so that it was not time assignats that caused the French loaf
to sell for a thousand francs, but the high price of land and
other timings that .caysed the asSignats. Prices must rise,
they said, because they were not, high enough now to enable
the farmer to pay rents.. Faith, there was no must in the case
--nor would time brilliant idea of Mr. Ricardo he found to be
more true, that the laud would go out of cultivation. Do, I
pray you, Gentlemen, 'said Mr. Cobbett, pause a moment to
contemplate this piece of matchless absurdity. Do, I be-
seech you; ask yourselves what you ate to expect from the
wisdom of men, who, with grave faces, -can state to you that
the throwing of land out of cultivation is necessary to relieve
the Farmer and the Landlord ? Oh, no ! land would not lie
thrown out of cultivation. The people, let come what would,
must:have and svpuld havelood and raiment—the land must
be and would be • tilled—the present farmer first, next, the
landlord, and next the parson, might be stripped naked, and
lints stripped they mutt he, if t he present 'faxes continued to
enforced;he tort the land would still be tilled and the people
fed', though the farmer might be, in fact, the tenant of
the Gorernment. Mr. Western, the Member for the
County of Essex, has said there must be a struggle be-
tween the landlord and -the fundholder, forgetting that
the fundholder comes not in the open field, for there his
defeat Was certain, but coming as he does by the silent
hand of the Taxgatherer,he makes the revolution in:property,
without giving the landowner the chances of a struggle. Far
from his (Mr. C,'s) wishes would be a state of things which
would in' all human probaliilitrovetturn that Porn of Govern-
ment under which their lot efathers had enjoyed's°. much free-
dom arid renown—(Cheers ;)—but his conviction was, and he
solemnly declared it Ofore that most respectable- Meeting,
that unless those reductions, were made, to the making
of which a Reformed Parliament only could he adequate, this
kiugdom could never again' iee pro'sperous and happy days—
(Cheers.) He concluded amidst the loudest peals of appianse,
having begged permission to give as a toast, " Energy and
prosperity to the County of.Snssex.7,
Mr. Cobbett retired from the room in a few minutes., and
'the remainder•of the evening Was spent in a more particular
, consideration, of Ilmt importantsquestion, as it affected the in-
dividual interests of the. Farmers assembled. •
. .
"The City of Chichester Wai in the Inornlicg aroused by the
circulation of a number of hand-bills, tending to chew the
impropriety of listening to " Cobbett, who had su often called
the farmers jolterbeads."

• . [MORNING CHRONICLE.]
A Lisbon packet?. which left the Tagus on the
' 12th instant, arrived yesterdaY. The 6th had
been observed as a -day of national festivity, be-
ing the anniversary of the. King's Coronation.
Great rejoicings had falken place, the forts and
shipping fired Royal salutes, and in the evening
the King attended the Theatre, accompanied by
consort, son, and the three beautiful Princesses.
He was received by a select audience 'in the most
enthusiastic Manner, as is the case now where-
ever' he makes' his public appearance, so much is
he endeared to the people by the sincere regard
he has paid to their welfare, the firmness with
which he upholds the new institutions, and the
Cordiality and unaniinity that 'prevails. In every
department of the Government. The King had
applied to the Cortes, requesting them to make
'the necessary arrangerneiits for the conveyance
of the remains of his late. mother, Queen Mary 1.,
from the Convent of St. Josedeßiba. Mor, where
they are now deposited, to the Convent of La
Estrella,. built .by herself. This ceremony was
to take place on the.2oth March, the anniversary
Of her death. Five Deputies to the Cortes, from.
the Province' of St. Paulo, had arrived at Lisbon
from Rio Janeiro. The chief discussions of the
Cortes have been on the subject of the new Pro-
ject relating to the Oporto Wine Company, and,
a continuation of the Articles of the Constitu-
tion:7-4 Decree has been. published relative to
the sale of wine of the Alto Douro, which states,
that the whole quantity of wine, of the first qua-
lity, .is 54,569 pipes ; of the second quality,
11,214 ; acid, •adding those in the magazines of
Douro and Porto, the whole is 137,1134 pipes.
It is allowed to export to, England 25,000 pipes,
to be selected 'from those of the first quality, at
the price of 45,000 real per pipe. •

[MORNING HERALD.]
There are various accounts from the Northern
countries of Europe. An article from Stuttgard
is somewhat of a curiosity. The Courts, it ap-
pears, of Vienna and Berlin, required the King
of NV irt emberg to restrict the liberty of the
Piess in his dominions—tO which requisition that
Sovereign magnanimously refused to accede,
alleging that he acted upon- the conditions laid
down at the Congress of Carlsbad, and would re-
ceive no new instructions. The Austrian Go-
vernment is occupied with " a grand Administra-
tive project,"—the re-establishment of the Jesuits
" in their ancient splendour," with supreme do-
minion over education ! This project, it is added,
has been hitherto retarded by financial embar-
rassments. There is scarcely any thing new from
Constantinople—if we except a paragraph in
the Journal des Debuts, dated Vienna, the
6th. This paragraph states, that an • English
'courier had passed, on his return from St.
Petersburgh, whither he- had been charged
with an important note from Lord London-
derry to the Court of Russia. 'his note, it is
said, pressed- earnestly the preservation of peace,
but declared that England would, in case ,pf war
between Russia and the Porte, observe a strict
neutrality—reserving the right of sending rein-
forcements of troops to Corfu, and .a stronger
naval force to the Mediterranean. The Divan is
stated, for at least the hundredth time to be
sending two formidable ekpeditions against the
Greeks—the one to the Morea, and the other to
Epirus. But in the mean time the Greeks ap-
pear to go, on with scarce any opposition. The
reported pacification between the Porte and
Persia, and the death of the N:sian Prince, are
vehemently denied—and it is added, that the
answer of the Schah of Persia to the English Mi-
nister, on this subject, was evasive.

[MORNING POST.]
An, important -discussion took pldce in the,
House of Commons last night, ,on the motion of,.
Lord Althorpe on the State Of the Country. One
of his Lord Ship's principal objects seemed to be.
the total abolition of the Sinking Fund, and the
application. of the five millions of our surplus
revenue to the immediate extinction of an equal
amount of taxes, leaving the whole of the Na-
tional Debt unredeemed and unredeernable. In
fUrtherance of •this. Plan, he moved, a resolution,
calling upon., the ,House to declare, 44 that the
reduction of taxation proposed by his Majesty's
Ministers is not sufficient to satisfy the just ex-
pectations of the people," - Mr. Robinson elo-
quently combated. the arguments of. the, Noble
.Lord, and after victoriously proving the import-
ance of Maintaining public credit, and of being
satisfied with progressive reductions, both in the
expenditure. 'and in the taxes, :moved, in
amendment, resolutions conformable to the vote
originally passed _upon the subject. Mr. Tier-
ney 'contended, that to raise 'the funds to
an artificial height would not prove ,ultimately
beneficial to the, country, :as their fall would he
certain, whenever the propelling impulse should
cease to operate.' This arginneuf is- sound in
itself and the position undeniable ; but neither
are applicable in the present case. Should the
funds attain a great elevation in consequence of
what is now passing,: that elevation would nei-
ther be,nor could justly be called " artifiCial,"
An 44 artificial" rise is that which is produced by
causes inadequate to the effect, but rendered
operative at the time beyond their natural power
by' extraneous feelings or' circumstances, such:as
prejudice or delusion. Now the steps by which
our Funds may mount are clear, sure, and sub-
stantial... A flourishing revenue is the first ; an

Last night, in the House of Commons,. ficr:
Althorpe moved a Resolution,that the redustio,
prOpOsed by Ministers are not sußcient .t.(l.:Sa'tisf2
the just. expectations of the People:: His Lord-
ship's motions hare seldom been'*ery sucCEs.?rui.
and therefore-be probably had not raisecl.his.g4.-
pectations of success very'highin the present iv-
stance,
.There 4:ertaiuly are persons who
the proposed reductions insufficient ; there. cr-
others who think theM too great; but we ay
inclined to believe that the people,, propor!:;-
speaking,_ will be best satisfied to leave the
settlernent of this point to the discretion of
his Majesty's Ministers, who, they are well
sured, will make every exertion to foster and
im-
prove the'resources of the country.--The great
object to which all enlightened men now direct
their wishes, is the reduction of interest on that
stock which forms the heaviest burthen on the
State in proportion to its capital. Such an at,
tempt would not and ought not to:be made, un-
less Government were Ivell assured that the
proper interest of money in England was ConSi=
derably below 5 per cent. The very proposal,
therefore, on their part, is a gratifying circum-
stance ; since it proves their confidence- in the
real energy of the country; notwithstanding the
severe temporary pressure on a partictilar class
of society.