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ferior dignity. That Electorate, hoWever, would
be neither increased nor curtailed in point Of terri-
tory, in conseqttence of that alteration, and the as-
sumption °fan empty title could have no effect upon
this country. At the same time he thought it his
duty to state, that the erection of the Electorate
of _Hanover into a kingdom had been desired and
recommended by all.the great Powers on the Con-
tineot, as, likely to perfect that system which they
were. entleavoining to establish, to secure the peace
and happiness of Europe. He then reverted to the
contest o Canada, and expressed his hopes that
the House would wait for the justification Of: .Sie
U. Prevos4 conduct before they formed'and pro,
'maimed a decided opinion. To judge him with-
out other evidence than that now possessed, would
be an unjust proceeding.- The lion. Gentleman
who had taken up ha defence had, however, done
it in a manner that cast rather an unfair imputation
on others. Ile hag rightly stated the honourable
acquittal of'Captain Barclay by the Court-martial
held upon hint, but he ought not to have made it-a
ground for-aspersing the character of another of.
cer. cer. On
,the subjects which be had mentioned,
the Hod. Gentleman' would be at liberty to bring
forward future any motion he pleased; the
House was now only called upon to present
those general professions of support which it had,
always been ready to give. The pre-eminence of
the country would not be less displayed- in yield.;
ing proper support to our just pretensions across
the Atlantic, as We hod done in Europe-. We
now:Conteniled, not for our own exclusive sights,
but for the restoration- of ,the.ancient Laws of
Eur Ope atud of 'Nations. We , .claim to no.
right-which we 'denied to • others ; but if America
would not con Seat to. do us and herself justice,
he trusted that the country would afford his Ala-
j •
esty's Monsters its warm support to enable them
to close the war by an honourable peace.
Mr. Eeets claimed the indulgence of the House
whilst he should wind, cate a Right Hon. Friend
of his (Mr. Canning) from the attacks of the Ho,
pourable Gentleman opposite.. His object, was to
ali me some observations on -two` of that
Gentleman's speech, and he only undertook that
ditty becaese, though sensible hoti ill it became
hint to obtrude himself on the House, hispertonal
knowledge inenced him• to think he could give a
satisfactory explanation. The Hon. Gent., had
made two ch'arges on his friend. The first was
for neglect of his public duty to this House in ae7'
etpting the embassy to Lisbon, and the other for
having brought an unusual ex Renee upon the court,
tfy. To the first, he would make a short, and he
trusted, not inisatisfaetory answer. His Right
Hon. Friend's deteriminatiion to repair to Lisbon
bad been taken long before he had the prospect
of a public situation, under the heavy pressure of
affliction, and •in the hOpe of saving the life of his
Whether such would de devilled worthy of
being admitted, he would leave for the !-loose to
decide. As to his hot baring altered his deter-
titillation, and delayed his departure, at the ap-
proach of the opening of the Session, he had, not
dope it trout an apprehension of facing the.attlek
made upon him in thellouse. Indeed; he did not
expect that his absence or its cause would call for
the lion. Gentleman's attention and reproof.
As to his aceepting the situation otAmbassador,
it was a point on which it wouldr gill become
16111 (Mr. Ellis), to say any thing. His Right
Hon. Friend's conduct, in that instance, must
submit to he fredy canvassed -by the opinimeof
the public. But to be unusually severe upon it
might almost convey a ootioa of personal hosti-
lity. As to the increase of expeuce which, it was
stated his Right lion. Friend had occasioned to
the tountry by accepting this sittition" he trust-:
ed he should prOve the charge,uitfounded.„ His
Hon. Friend felt sonic reluctance to take upon
himself the same credit and responsibility as Sir C.
Stewart. lie wished that' those expences_which
should be considered unavoidable, should, be first
submitted to those who had no interest in their be 7
iog fixed too high, rather than left to hint in. the
persons of his house. He also, perhaps,
:doubt-
ed whether the same forbearance should be shown '
towards him as towards Sir Charles Stewart,---
lie -therefore required that the extraordinarie3
should be submitted to limitation, only-retaining
such an establishment as it would be proper for
an English' "Ambassador to maintain. How far
that principle had been acted- upon, he vottid not •
take upOn nfinselfto say : but that his Right Hon.
Friend had brOugla no increase of expense on
the nation, a comparison of his allowance with
that of Sir C. Stewart and Sir Henry Wellesley,
would stiOw. The former received laSt year
28,090,/. ; 5,0001. being his regular salary, and
23,0-00/..fer extraordinaries and the latter2,',ooo/.
8,000/. :IS his salary, and .19,00/.• for exi.wedi-
naries, Note, Mr. Canning's own salary was Ii
inited at 3,0001. a rear, and 6,0001. for extraordi-
narics, forming a deduction Of nearly one-half what
Sir H. Wellesley had received; and exactly one-half
the of Sir C. Stewart. This, therefore, in-
Stead of being a ground for reproof, ought to pro-
duce no other feeling than that of satisfaction, as
instead, of being augmented, the expellee was in
fact materially diminished. In saying this, be
wished to be understood not to cast the slightest
imputation on the expenditure of •either- Sir C.
Steivart or Sir H. A.Vellesley ; for- both of -them
he entertained the highest esteem, •and he had no
doubt Of the nweeYlea•Ane• been properl applied ;
he only meant -to 'establish the fact, that Mr.
'Canning's • appointment' Was not
.sxtravagant,,
80001:.being the appOintinent of Ambassadors on•
the lowest-scale, and the 60001. for extraordina-
ries being given as a inatter of experiment. He
concluded by thanking the House for the atten-
tion shown him, and' relying on their candour and
liberality towards hi's Right lion. Friend. •
. Mr. TiERNEY thought that as far as 'the Hon.
Gentleman's defence of his Right Hon: Friend
,concerned the public it was not satisfactory. As
to the propriety of his accepting the appointment
in question, every man certainly hut a right to
have or change his political opinions e but he
thought that it was not very delicate that a:Righit
Honntnable Gentleman should have"ateepted st
situation under a Noble Lord whom he had "de-
clared unfit to hOld piny office Whatever. The Hon.
Gentleman always compared Mr. Canning's a"p-
poin mien t with that of Sir Charles Stewart, Ivlio,
'he was ready to acknowledge, had well applied
the stuns he had received ; but Was there no
thing intermediate bet Ween Sir C. Stewart and

Mr. Calming ? Had not Mr. Sydenitani filled the
• same office between 'them ? What Was that Gen-
tleman's appointment ? Were not tie views of
Government towards Portugal the salve then as
they are now ? What rendered an Ambassador to
that cokintry wore vv,mted at present than at that
period ? Instead of having diminished the public
expellee, Mr. Canning's appointment increased
it by three thousand pounds a-year, for Sir
Charles Stewart had only 50001. whilst the new
ArphaSsador was to have 8000/. per 3alllll/1.
If explanation was ❑ot given, he should consider
the whole as one of most outrageous jobs ever
entered into. Because we had been in the habit
ofwaSting 28,0001. a year, it was said, that we
1 ought to consider ourselves very well of at having
only one half to pay. But he did not consider
hiMself well off at all. Had not Mr. Canning
- been thought of as an Ambassador, the same dit-
ties would have been performed at 'one third of
the present expeuce.
Mr. WHITBREAD MAC some observations on
what had fallen fron► the Chancellor of the Ex-
' chequer respecting the necessity of retaliation.
the American war.
Mr. BARING, in a speech of considerable length,
went into an examination of the causes clf the
war,,and of'the minner in which it bad been con-,
ducted. • He admitted that the AmnericanS were:
the aggressors in the -war, because we had re
moved the only real ground of complaint they
had, viz. the'Orders in Council. He was also
satisfied that the AMericans had no ground .of'
complaint for the 'conduct of our troops at Wash-.
Ington, as it wits justified on the ground of 'reta-
liation, Mr. 8., however, thought that the 'war
had not been .Well conducted on bur part ; and he
was convinced that we could not wake any serious
impressiOn upon America. With respect to our•
Firiances and Cotnineree, he by no means conear-
red in the flourishing statement of the Cbancellor.
of the Exchequer. It was obvious, that upon the
opening of the Continent there. would be a sudden
burst of trade, but he thiought` there was great
reason to apprehend that it would not continue.
Mr. Ii&THURST attached himself chiefly to -re.;
fute the arguments of the last Hon. Gentlentan.
Unlike Russia, we could not dtiband our force,
as until their settlement by, the Congress takes
place, the security of the Low Countries would
only-exist.on riper, unless' occupied by our troops.
He vindicated the management of• the. wan• in
America, and the conduct of the Admiralty, Which
profiled convoy' for_the ships which chose to ac- ,

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cept of protection.—lie thought an Officer had a
right to offer• to: the inhabitants of any town flut-
ing into his hands, not to nse the 'usual rights of
war, on conditioti of their surrenderini4 certain
articles of property. This. was only !lying a•con-
-tribittion upon them, which every' one deemed
:laWfid,,and which they only paid in kind, instead
of money. Lle'deprecated the gloomy view taken
of the contest in America, which must be pushed
with vigour 6•yende.r if effective.

Sir GILhERT HEATHCOTE could not approve of
that part of tbe.Addres's which promised further
support hi the prosecutiOn of the war in America,
inasmuch as the cause of the dispute had ceased
since the general pacification on the Continent.;
and after tOttching farther upon our dispute with
America, concluded by declaring, that he was de-
cidedly against the .eontinnanee of the Neat'.
Mr. .FueEmANTLE inSisted 'on the necessity of
an inquiry,' at a future period, info the conduct
of the Admiralty. 'He was 'astonished that no
notice Itaci hitherto been taken of the large Bri-
tish army maintained in the.Low•Countries ; and
that no allusion had been made in the Regent's
Speech to the Convention, said'at the close of the
laSt Session to have' been concluded with the
Al-
lied Powers for the maintenance of such a force.
He reproved the conduct of those Sovereigns who
seemed only Iwo.: agF,rrindiztitnent.
• :Mr. CHARLES GRANT thonght the American war
had been unprovoked on our part. He deprecat-
ed the gloom With which its events were. viewed,
and at the same time trusted that Government
would use- its best entleavonu to btftig it to an
hOnourable teethinatiim.

WI-11-i'BREAD enquired- whether there was
any such -Convention .as that mentioned by Lord
.Castlereagli at the close of the last Session, as
being signed but not ratified, for keeping up a
lidtish-force in the tow Countries
A conversation then 9fsued between Mr. Bathurst, ,Mr.
Whitbread, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Mr. Tier-.
net', relative to the propriety-of laying such a Treaty, if it did
exist; before the house,' or at least noticing it in the Regent's
Speech. It was admitted, on the part of Ministers, that the
not noticing the Convention in the Speech was an omission,
but at the saJne time they stated, that they had at present no
insirnetions to ruale.e any cum timnication on the subject. -
The Address was then' pat, and carried without a division,
and referred to a Ci;munitter appointed for the purpose.
Mr. WHITBRE inquired when the Chancellor of the
Exchequer intended to bring forward any Plan of Finance ?,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, that
the first day, when the House could possiLly go into a Com-
mittee of Supply, would be Monday next, when he hoped to
be able to move some Resoltitions:

Mr:TIERNEY reqtweted to know what course he meant to
pursue with respect to the Property Tax.
The CHANcEnton. of the EXCHEQUER was riot prepared to
answer the question as to the course lie meant to pursue, but
Should not appoint an early day. -•-,
Mr, TIEfiNsY thought that a full attendance could not be
expected beyond the present month.
The tnANcr.m.on of the Excur,QuEn did not intend to
brio; on tins tvroperty Tax before ChrifAmas.
•
Mr. TicuxEy.—Nor any other %Vat. Tax ?_

The i.:EANCELLOR of the EXEUCQUER.—No.
Adjourned-

The PRINCE REGENT went to• the House of
Lords fioin St. Janies's Palace in very .splendid
state, and was loudly cheered on ilk entrance, and
on his return to St. James's: He was decorated
with all theilltistfioUs Orders, and looked remark-
ably His Roy4l Highness -entered the state
carriage at half-past one o'clock, accompanied by
the Duife of Mcitsraosu.; as'Master of the Horse,
and -Lord
..T:N ME 5 MURRAY, as Lord in Waiting.—
The. eight beautiful cream-coloured ho.t•scs were
'decorated with light blue ribbons. The attendants
wereeonveyed in four Royal carriages, each drawn
by sit► fine horse's, sinii larly decorated. The proces-
:Sion moved in a very'splefulid style, being preceded
by six trtnispeters and a.kettle drummer belonging
to .t he Life Guards on horseback; itt• their richly
embroidered' uniforms, who halted •at the Horse
Guards,and played a grand military inarch as the
•PI;UNce passed. Life Guards lined*. the Malls of
St.Jantes's Park. Soon after o'clock, the'
REGENT left town for Windsor, to, be present
at the *celebration of the Princess AUGU6TA'S
birth.day.

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The length of the Debates in "th •fleie
Parliament last night-,
prevents oar eutefielvito
any length of comment, either IV° tbetopie
REGENT'S Speech, or the multifarious
the agitation of which it gave risc• Ali
',tame;
as we anticipated, from the existing
of the world, is of a very general n3tl' "
its 10
not at all like the suppositious doeanlc'':l„,l
which som of our contemporaries a Pri°ri;ifiiij
themselves. and the Public. We re-bW;rtbleat to
official form to-day, though we were e°ll,6l°
communicate it most' accurately even
impression of THE SUN of yester'l'V' 051
With regard to the discussion %chic') it(
upon the Address, we, may observe 11°,0401
dulced nearly as little information as Old' ,44
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he imagined. amendment w2s 31: yor
either' House, and thus; on the opcniag`",t,
Inuit, the Opposition confess, that o,o‘l'
can cavil ening& they do not know lia`r tAt isees4
In fad, they urged no point which hi's ii:pie
over and over again canvassed in the *%-ePti'li
fOr the last three months, and with the et%tegie'!
of Lord MeLvit.t.F.'s very satisfoeWY skreri46.-
on the subject of the naal part Of 6ur of '1;
contest, Lord LtvgaPdOCS:
rious important matters, and the Cll4lb7c-
the ExcticatiEn's allusions to the Col6there;
and- Financial Prosperity of the Conn"). ll'
nothing in whole of the long SPeec-
were delivered worthy of particular'
rinot ge.
WarrErtga.r, made a long aux! rambliririP'-rio 111'5'
tinusks%e'l(ifienhool:iengto.u.cllhe:
itvipeoniti
teipveornv thing'
port, and-surmise ; but took espbee7:l.s4:;retoill°d7
his arguments upon these indisputable dal4..abli :14
that. the Government of Britain was 10v4r.0
the wrong, and their adversaries as lut°riocl"'e'
the right. I. with all his dill '
400.0
001
mo. ry in retailing the slops of the illorilin° not
he cut but a poor „one •, and had rollY ne.c.
syllable,to urge which was deservins forc
biol. When no greater chr a,es of alin ettiOl
be brought against Ministers thlo such j e(
ging complaints as these, they may i 404
flounced. to have most triumphantly °II° ,if
affairs of the Country. er:
port' 10'
Mr. BARING (an intelligent mail, ' 0.004,
on American politics) differed tot() "11°.
ti /
oral „
WHITBREAD on that question. "I,viva.
take it, will be thouglikt sufficient ref
oiled .
five hundred such udigcsted and uninlybri,r;'
cusacions as his Hon. Friend delights It) If ()kJ
7.‘j. ,00
I. —LLIS S explanation respecto liir'r s
Mu;
NING squares to a letter with tvhat
in this Paper. The manful attack ol pi.
re
guished 'Gentleman behind his back' lbsot
"it--- • bbl
bibition of party candour and apt' off,
;it of
trenchment is SbeWil to be the essence
A t()
the Public will hardly be .persoa
bitter yelp Of Mr. TIE lINEY.

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of the two Houses of'Parlialueut ro-fri'il ,i.ottloil'
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It was yesterday stated in tbc CltY.' .40 l'ifei
grice had been received from W"'11111ruO:fiotl'i
(late of the-1 at • October. -The deboteis "reii)'''4," old;
are said to have been carried on "'iti`',o.ltt '1,4
virulence by the different prtics, "'''''' APV,
respecting 11e War With this country! , , pi. is !'t4
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fa rttiyuee. were
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what was left over from Ajoryky -' ;sr Ito! iti..4o,
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v.. Rev.
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in this Court, Sir VicAßy. GOnivioli. rail
the ..cooleitictv
notneed judgment in favour of
by this decree Sir 11. B. t.JPIM. bC' til° d
sessed-Of the valuable Atlvo‘vs() ut oci
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