The Sun.
London, England, 1838-06-20 00:00:00

MARKET INTELLIGENCE.

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appearance. Barbadoes went at the rates of the last auction, fine selling
at 645 to 65s Gd, good 62s 6d to 63s Gd, mid 605 6d to 625. The tran-
Factions here have been confined to a few small parcels of double
crushed, for which buyers have been compelled to pay 35s Gd, and
owing to its scarcity further purchases could not be made under 368.
Dutch Crushed Sugar is held for its former value, but there is still no
demand. In Candy there is no alteration. The Refiners are working
freely to fulfil their contracts entered into of late.
MAURITIUS.—'This article has been affected by the question respect-
ing the drawback, both grocers and refiners purchased very sparingly;
prices gave way (id to is for Sugars which sold at and above 565, in
those under that figure there was little variation; good to fine brown
t)sio
sold at 5256 d to 54s Gd. mid. to good mid. yellow 555 to 575, good to
fine 58s to 60s per cwt.
EAST INDIA.—The rates previously established for Bengal have been
supported, fine white went at 65s a 65s Gd, one lot very superior 68s,
good 648 to 64s Bd, good middling 63s a 63s Gd, middling 623 a
62s Od, low 61s Gd, damps 605 a 63s Gd. 684 bags Bengal subject
to the 32s duty have also been submitted to public competition,
which sold at their full value, ordinary white at 31s. Gd. a 335.,
damps 33s 6d, good and tine sound yellow 27s Gd to 30s, fine damps 465
to2BsC mid 24s to 255, ord 22s to 2.2 s Gd. In Java the operations have
been confined to 400 baskets taken by private treaty at 27s to 318 6d
for strong grey.

Mousses.—For West India the demand has become limited; previ-
ous rates, however, have been maintained, St. Vincent's have yielded
17s to 2.95.

COFFEE.—The grocers have purchased sparingly of the clean quali.
ties of British Plantation, taking only just sufficient to supply their
immediate wants, and prices have again given way is Gd to 2s;
This afternoon the public sales consisted of 147 brls 700 bags Brazil,
and 349 bags Ceylon, the former were taken in for the want of WI) ers
at 38s to 40s 6d fur ordinary to good ordinary, the latter sold at steady
prices.

COCOA—This afternoon 0,690 bags Guayaquil and 50 bags Trinidad
Cocoa were offered at auction, the firmer were all taken in above its
value at 375, the latter sold at 41s 6d for good red.
Rum, BRANDY, AND HOLLANDS.—There has been a brisk and general
demand for Ruin ; exporters have again been the chief operators, and a
further advance of
to Id have been obtained for Leewards, the greater
fuse on the strong descriptions; Jamaica are also lid to :Id dearer.
Brandy in France having advanced in value has caused the holders here
to require rather higher prices, first brands of vintage of 1636 in puns.
being held for 3s. 7d. to 3s. Bd., there has however not been much busi.
ness doing. Geneva has been soli to a fair extent at previous rates
British Corn Spirits lOs per gallon.
TaLLow.—There has been a better demand for Tallow for consump-
tion. For delivery in the last three months 46s is required, but at which
there are few buyers ; the supply of Town Tallow has become very short,
the trade having for several weeks past purchased freely.
RICE. —This afternoon, the demand continued very good, and 1,120
bags Bengal at public sale sold at stiff prices, middling white at 15s to
15s od, very inferior, 13s to 13s 6d per cwt.
Hops.—There has been an active demand, and prices since our last
have improved 4s, 55., which is ti be attributed to the young bine having
been attacked with Fly; the duty is estimated at 150,0001.
SPICES.—There has been very little business doing in Pimento.
Middling quality brought 3.1 d to 3id, ord stalky, 3hd. Pepper, good
light and half heavy dust Sumatra at 34d to 31d; East India
sold at 23s to 23s 6(1 for good. Cassia Lignea mid at 58s. to 58s 6d., and
very ord at 525. 6d. per cwt. 'This afternoon the auction consisted of
215 bags Pepper and 535 bags E. I. Ginger, the former sold at 3jd aid,
and the latter at 22s per cwt.
TEs..—The total deliveries of Tea from the warehouses for hrme
consumption on which duty has been paid for the week eliding June
16th are 347,9421b5.
TlN.—Owing to supplies of East India continuing to come in freely
the market has been very quiet since our last : at public sale 847 slabs
Straits wore taken in at 755 to 77s ; 500 slabs Banca at 78s to 78s 6d,
and 150 bags Malay
at 76s per cwt. ; since the sale, a few lots have been
sold at the buying in prices. 2,000 slabs are declared for sale on
Tuesday next.

Coctnic;ll----lionduras at auction sold at 55 6d to 65 4d for low to
gild silvers,

POOR LAWS.
The Earl of STANHOPE presented several petitions from
different parishes in Norwich against the Poor Laws.
The Earl of RADNOR submitted that the petitions could
not be received, inasmuch as they did not contain the word
" humbly."
The Earl of STANHOPE said that the petitioners had re-
solved not again to petition ; the next time they came to the
House it would be in the form of a remonstrance.
The Earl of RADNOR submitted that the petitions should
not be received.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY said, according to the
Standing Orders, the House could not receive the petitions as
they were then worded.
Lord BROUGHAM said the question was, whether the
Standing Orders of the House were to be of any avail or not ?
He for one was sorry that such an order had been made, but
as it stood by the agreement of their Lordships it ought to be
adhered to, and therefore he trusted the Noble Earl would
withdraw the petitions.
Earl STANHOPE begged to ask the Noble and Learned
Lord, whether he had taken the trouble of seeing that the vast
number of petitions which he presented were properly worded?
Lord BR 0 UG H A M—Certainly, and whenever it has been
suggested that any one has not been so, I have invariably with-
drawn it, which was a great hardship to the petitioners, which
it was not in the present ease, for they did not wish to petition
their Lordships.

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The question was then put that the petitions do lie on the
table, and was decided in the negative.
The Duke of WELLINGTON presented several petitions
against the Oxford and Great Western Railway Bill.
Earl STANHOPE said that some days ago, he had pre-
sented a petition from the Rev. Mr. Morris, on the subject of
the New Poor-law Bill, and that upon that occasion a Noble
Earl opposite ( Earl Radnor) impugned the accuracy of the
statements in the petition. Ha had since received another
petition from his Reverend Friend, in which he stated
that the information communicated to the Noble Earl, was
a tissue of falsehood; but that he did not charge the Noble
Earl with being the author of the falsehood, and praying the
House to refer the petition, as well as that of the 14th of June,
to a Committee, for the purpose of inquiring into the matters
therein contained, and to report specially thereon.
Lord BROUGHAM said there was a much greater ob-
jection to this petition than to the other.—(Hear, hear.)
They could not receive this petition—it contained an attack on
a Member of that House for something he had said in the
House. If this objection, on a point of form, caused the least
injury to the subject he would be the last person to make it ; but
there was a far better and more effectual mode of making a
contradiction, which was to instruct some Member of the
House to do it, and he was sure no one of their Lordships
would object to set right any error that might have been made
by a Member of their Lordships'House.—( Hear.)
After a few words from Earl STANHOPE,

Earl RADNOR read a letter from a clergymen in the
neighbourhood, stating, as we understood, that the inhabitants
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Earl ( Stanhope) opposite,—that the wages of labourers in
the County of Cambridge were only 2s. Gd. a week. He
(Earl Radnor) had authority for saying that the wages of
children in that county were as high as 2s. 6d. a week.
Earl STANHOPE said he did not mean to assert that the
wages of labour generally in Cambridgeshire was as low as
2s. Gd. a-week ; but that the consequence of the operation of
the New Poor law in Cambridgeshire, and in Suffolk also, had
been to reduce the wages of labourers in many instances to that
amount. That statement he now repeated. The Noble Earl pre-
sented a petition from the London Democratic Association—
( Great laughter)—relative to the late melancholy affair
near Canterbury.--( Hear.) He was aware that the Asso-
ciation not being a Corporate body, the petition could only be
received as the petition of the Chairman and Secretary by
whom it was signed, Messrs. Ewart and Harnett. The peti-
tioners prayed that the persons imprisoned on account of the
riot might be discharged from custody.
The prayer of the petition was that the House would appoint
a Committee to investigate the deplorable event, and in the
mean time to stay judicial proceedings.
Lord BROUGHAM said this was the third time he had had

to oppose a petition presented by his Noble Friend. He did
so on the present occasion, not on account of its being from
the Democratic Association, but because it prayed for what the
House had no power to grant.--( Hear, hear.) If the House
complied with the prayer of the petition it would be guilty of
a breach of the law itself, because it had no right to stay any
judicial proceedings. having great respect for the motives
of the petitioners, he did not wish them to be impressed with
the belief that people who laboured under what they called
the mental disease of fanaticism, whether civil or religious,
whether on the subject of Church and State, or of the Poor-
law —( Loud laughter)—were entitled to do whatever
they pleased without being punished for it. The peti-
tioners stated that because he could not commit a
crime they could not be accessory ; forgetting altogether that
until he was tried and found to have been a lunatic at the time
of committing this offence he was amenable to justice, and
that if he were a lunatic, unless it was proved that they were
lunatics also, they were rather principal offenders than acces-
sories. How the ficuse could receive the petition he was at
a loss to understand.

The Earl of WINCHIL SEA said that the Magistrates of
the county wished their conduct to have the utmost investiga-
tion. He maintained that the persons who were now in prison
had been most properly committed.

Lord TEYNI-IA:1-1 must say, notwithstanding what
the Noble Earl had stated, it was imperative on
the Government of the country to investigate the
circumstances of the case to enable them to judge whether
those men were or were not properly confined. He was quite
convinced, however, that the petition was not fit to present
to that House. He maintained that many of the men had
lost their lives in consequence of the misconduct of Magistrates.
He wished to ask the Noble Viscount at the head of her
Majesty's Government, whether it was their intention to insti-
tute an inquiry into the conduct of the Magistrates ?
The Duke of RICHMOND hoped his Noble
Friend would give no answer to the question. No-
thing was more dangerous than to have discussions
upon the guilt or innocence of persons who were prisoners,
ready to take their trial. If be understood the case, these
men were committed under the warrant of the Coroner of the
county of Kent. He must repeat that he hoped his Noble Friend
would give no answer to the question ; but if, after the trial bad
taken place, there was any charge against the magistrates or
the military, he felt no doubt that they would be most anxious
to have the subject investigated.
The Earl of WINCHILSE A quite agreed with every
word which had fallen from the Noble Duke, but he could not
allow that moment to pass without contradicting the assertions
of the Noble Lord opposite (Tcynham). The Magistrates had
acted in a manner which had called forth the approbation
of the county—they had acted in the most lenient and most
judicious manner. They were anxious to court every inquiry,
and he pledged himself that whenever it took place they
would come out of it in such a manner as would reflect honour
on them.

The petition was rejected.
OXFORD AND GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented a petition in favour of
the above Bill, and then moved that it be read a second time.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said the inhabitants of
Oxford, both the town's people and those belonging to the
University, had insuperable objections to this Bill, and had
petitioned to be heard by Counsel at the bar against it. Ho
therefore moved that Counsel be heard at the Bar.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM was very desirous of offering a few
remarks to their Lordships on this occasion, not for the pur-
pose of discussing the particular question then before the
House, but to take that opportunity of re-stating what
he remembered stating on a former occasion, and which
appeared to hint to be of very great inportance.—( Hear.)
He believed no Noble Lord present could anticipate the im-
Fortant benefit this country would derive by a proper construc-
tion of a general system of railroads in this country. In Ireland
the Government had taken the precaution of instituting a gene-
ral survey, in order that railroads might be constructed with
reference to one another. He thought it was an exceedingly
unfortunate circumstance that something of the same kind
had not been done in this country ; but he was sure it might
yet be done. Although numerous Railway Bills had received
the assent of Parliament, yet their Lordships must be convinced
that they were only at their commencement, and that great
changes must yet be effected, as they endeavoured to proceed
on the same system. In the prosecution of these railroads,
unless they proceeded on system, there wold be interminable
confusion. Contests between different parties would arise,
and in the determination of these contests he feared they
would not always be guided by the principles of justice, but
that they would, as all Parliaments had
°done, and as he
feared all Parliaments ever would, be too much prone to
consult the private wishes and interests of individuals.
It was important that the lines of Railway should be so con-
structed as to communicate well with each other. If they were
constructed upon different levels—if even a particular Railroad
were constructed upon an improper or injudicious level—the
country through which it passed would be deprived of the ad-
vantage which might be derived from that Railroad becom-
ing the nucleus for different ramifications of Railroads. For
instance, if a railroad were constructed upon a very high
level in a low country, which sometimes was the ease,
or on a low level in a high country, though the other would
perhaps: be the most probable, the country through which
this railroad passed would lose many of the advantages
which might be derived from that railroad being joined with
other lines of communication. He ( Earl Fitzwilliam) wished
therefore to throw but for the consideration of their Lordships,

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and of the executive, whether the time was even now passed
when the step which had been taken in Ireland might not
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their professions of concern for the public interests, would
keep in view the private interests of those for whom they were
concerned, or the interests of the very small portion of the
public who were affected, and all this might be avoided by adopt-
ing the measure which had already been taken in Ireland.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE contended that the Bill should
go, like all similar ones, before a Committee of their Lord-
ships, when all parties would have an opportunity of being
heard. He saw no reason for dissenting from the general
rule on the present occasion. No one was more anxitus than
himself to protect the interests of the Uidversity of Oxford ;
but he thought if the present proposition was entertained it
would open the door to a most inconvenient precedent.
The Duke of WELLINGTON thought that e here specific
objections were urged against a measure, that Counsel might
be heard against it.
The Earl of DEVON objected to such a course being
adopted. If the Bill did not receive the concurrence or approval
of the House, it might be altered or amended in Committee,
although he admitted that precedents might be found for the
course suggested by the Noble Lord. No application
had been made from the parties at either terminus to
give this increased facility. London took no part, and
Oxford petitioned that the Bill might not pass. The city
of Oxford did not foresee any sufficient advantage resulting
from this communication, and the University felt that it would
not only be no public advantage, but the increased facility wax
likely to be disadvantageous. The Noble Lord concluded by
expressing a hope that their Lordships would not pass the Bill.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE denied that there were no persons
in favour of the Bill upon the line. He had presented petitions
from Oxford, as numerously signed as those presented
by the Noble Earl. He would therefore move that the Bill
be now read a second time.
The Earl of FALMOUTH thought their Lordships ought
not to allow the Bill to pass without hearing Counsel.
Their Lordships negatived the proposition for hearing
Counsel without a division.
The Earl of DEVON moved as an amendment, that the
Bill be read a second time that day six months.
The Marquis of CL ANRICARDE supported the original
motion, and said if it were good that the railway should not
come into the town of Oxford, it must of course be good that
it should not come near Oxford. If they laid down the prin-
ciple that a railway from the metropolis ought not to approach
Oxford because it would tend to contaminate the morals of the

youth at the University, they would necessarily affect a very
large district of country ; for not only would that principle
apply to Oxford but to Cambridge, and to every other place
having a direct communication with London. They would
also be indirectly affirming another principle ; namely, that
the existence of railroads, or, in other words, any high state
of civilization, was inconsistent with a system of proper edu-
cation.•—( Hear, hear.) That, it appeared, was the principle
upon which their Lordships were this night called upon to
vote ; and not upon the question whether the merits of this
railway should or should not be tried before a Committee.
Earl MALNIE SBURY was quite convinced that in place
of a boon, the railway would prove a curse to Oxford, as it
would bring the youth of the county in contact with all the
vices of the metropolis. Their Lordships would pay respect to
the wishes of the heads of the University, who petitioned
against their own interests, and were concerned merely for the
morals of the youth committed to their care.
The Earl of DEVON, in reply to the observation of the
Noble Marquis (Marquis of Clanricarde), that the rejection
of this Bill, on the ground of its being likely to be prejudicial
to the morals of the youth at the University, was recognising
a principle that railroads were inconsistent with a sound system
of education, would only remark that he was not aware that it
was by any means consistent with a good system of education
that there should be frequent communications between Oxford
and London.

Lord BROUGHAM was surprised at hearing that the
University of Oxford did not wish to make itself more ac-
cessible.—( A laugh.) He should wish that great well-spring
of learning to be made as accessible to the world as possible.
He was very glad to hear that the people of Oxford and of
the University of that city were so pure that in order to
have access to vice, they were obliged to resort to
the capital.—(Laugeter). Never having had the benefit of
access to that fount of learning in his own person, he had al-
ways been under the impression, looking at the statutes and
rules of the University, that there were some vices accessible
within the precincts of the University itself, and that it was
not necessary to come to London for them.—(Laughter.) He
could not allow this argument to pass, being, as he was, a
very sincere friend of the two Universities established in Lon-
don, which, if there was any thing of value in the argument
of his Noble Friend, ought not to have been established at all,
because they were in contact with constant contamination.
The question was then put, and their Lordships divided—
For the second reading
Against it
Majority for the second reading ... —IS
MR. FOLGER.

Lord BROUGHAM complained that the return to the
order which on his motion had been made for information re-
spetting the case of Mr. Folger was quite incomplete. It
merely stated that he had been liberated on his own recogni-
zance—the recognizance of a lunatic !—to quit the country in
thirty days ; and that he had gone to New York, and had not
returned. Now, how could it be known that this person had
not returned to a country in which there were twenty-eight
millions of people, he (Lord Brougham) could not conjecture.
He moved that the return to the order of the House of the
lth of June be made forthwith.—Ordered.
SPANISH AFFAIRS.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY rose and said that ho
had never felt more embarrassment in addressing their Lordships, than
he did on the present occasion. lie was aware of his own inability to
enter upon a subject which had now occupied attention for a period of
four years, and to deal with the whole course of policy adopted in re-
spect to another country; but he was upheld in his present attempt by
the anxious interest which he had taken in this question from the tom.
inencentent of the arrangements to which tie was about to call their
attention, and he had at length found a period, in which her Majesty's
Government admitted that the course of their policy had been mis-
taken, unwise, and improper; for they had come to the House and
stated that it was not their intention to renew the Order in Coun-
cil from which all the mischief, and all the disgraceful and humilia-
ting proceedings of the war had resulted. Ile might be asked
what he proposed to himself, by again bringing the subject be..
fore the House. Was it that he supposed that he should be able to
shake the position of the Noble Viscount opposite, or to induce
their Lordships to consent to a vote of censure, which might produce
any change in the Administration of the cetnitry ? He had no such
expectations. He hod been partly induced to bring the subject for.
ward in that House because he must say that he did not think that it
had had elsewhere the fair discussion which it ought to have had, and
because he believed that if the proceedings in Parliament on the ques.
tion had been allowed to end with the discussion which had taken place
in the other House a false impression would have gone abroad on the
Continent as to the real state of public opinion in this country. It cer-
tainly did happen that a luminous and eloquent speech had been deli-
vered by a celebrated and learned person in that place upon this subject
—a person particularly celebrated because he had been selected as worthy
of the appointment of a Greenwich commissionership, or pensionership,or
something of that sort—he knew not what. He (Mr. Sheil) had chosen
to open his official career by a speech on that question, and of course
anything coming from so learned a gentleman was of great weight and
importance. He knew he was in some degree out of order in referring
to proceedings in another place, but if in that other place reference was
made to what had proceeded from him in their Lordships' House, he
might surely claim at their Lordships' hands the indulgence of making
a few observations. The outline of that celebrated speech, to which he
night now refer as a matter of history, and the main argument of it was
this, that if the Conservatives came into power they would be obliged to
follow the same system and act precisely as the Noble Viscount had
done. Now, that Learned Gentleman could hardly have read the
last recorded sentiments of the Noble Duke (the Duke of Welling-
ton) behind him on that subject ; because the Noble Duke had
then stated distinctly that he should confine himself strictly and
closely to the objects of the treaty ; but what the Conservatives
found fault with in the conduct of the Noble Viscount was this, that he
had gone out of his way for the purpose, apparently, of attempting to
become a belligerent—that he had employed men and money in the ser.
♦ice of the Queen of Spain—and now that these unfortunate men had
returned, and were wandering destitute in the streets, he had abandoned
them to the mercy of the Spanish Government. The next point in the
speech of the Learned Gentleman was in reply to his finding fault with
the conduct of General Evans with regard to the lines of St. Sebastian;
and upon that point the Learned Gentleman had asked, " What had the
Duke of Wellington done at the lines of Torres Vedras ?" How could
any person in their sober senses ask such a question? Good God!
were those two achievments to be put in juxta-position ? What!
were the great wars of Ca sar to be compared with an expedi-
tion from the Isle of Dogs—(Hear and laughter)—for a mere mo-
mentary object ? What did the lines of Torres Vedras ac-
complish ? Did their Lordships forget the long list of battles
which ensued from the departure from those lines to the arrival in Paris.
Did they forget Salamanclia, Vittoria, Toulouse, and the other famous
achievements—near sixty pitched battles ? Good God ! After looking
to that glorious result let them turn to the other side of the comparison,
and consider what had arisen from the occupation of the lines of St. Se-
bastian—disgrace, punishment, defeat, and starvation. Why now they
were in a worse position than they had been three years ago, after having
expended three millions of money ; the war was no nearer its termina-
tion, and Don Carlos, instead of a force of 40,0e0 or 50,000, had now
a force of 370,000 men. For his own part, however, he believed that
he had always been ready to do full honour to the valour and gallantry
of the officers and men of the Legion. He would now at once proceed
to the discussion of the general subject, and it might be convenient Mo
divide his observations into three heads. First, he wished to call the
attention of the House to the conduct and policy of the Ministry ; then,
secondly, he would enter upon the proceedings and condition of the
most unfortunate men who had been employed in this service ; and,
thirdly, he would endeavour to bring the Govnrnment to some
explanation as to their views in future with regard to the
war. It was his intention to conclude by moving for certain papers ;
and if they were granted he hoped that at some future day he might,
upon the evidence which would then be before the House, bring the
question to a decisive verdict, and propose a resolution on this subject—
so intimately connected with the interests and character of this country.
The first question respecting the policy of the Government, which began
to be agitated about four years ago, arose out of the Quadruple Treaty.
That Treaty had originated, in the first instance, with the Count Mira-
flores ; but it had subsequently been the subject of much deliberation
and corre pondence between the various Governments. By the mode
of proceeding which the Government had edopted Great Britain was
placed in a position with respect to Spain and Portugal more un.
favourable than that which France occupied, although she was
a party to the Quadruple Treaty ! France was, by the part
that England took, placed in a most advantageous position—
she was, in fact, put hors de la ligne, and had availed herself fully
of that position. He would, in support of this statement, just refer
their Lordships to the coarse which France hid thought proper to adopt
at that period—he would refer Weill to the speech delivered by the King
of the French, which could scarcely have escaped their recollection.
That speech contained declarations which he looked upon as some of the
most insulting and degrading to England that had ever come from any
foreign Power, and yet France was a nation with which we then were,
as we are now, in close alliance. In fact that treaty had produced more
unpleasant uncomfortableness between England and her foreign relations
who had signed it than almost all the affairs of the rest of Europe. In a
short time after the proceedings he had described the Noble Duke (Wel-
lington) succeeded the former Government. What did he do ? He
found that notwithstanding the treaty the war was being carried on