The Sun.
London, England, 1814-11-01 00:00:00

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

NEWMARKET THIRD OCTOBER, OR HOUGHTON
MEETING.
MoNDAY

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Mr. Watson's Pericles,, Bst. 11.1 h. - - • - • - 1
Ld Foley's Offa's Dyke, Sst. 51b. - - - - V.
Ld Jersey's Asmodeus, Bst.
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model's.

The Gold Cup, rabic 90gs, by a.Subscription of lOgs each,
(the surplus to the winner in specie), for three yr olds and
,upwards. A. F.
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The Judge placed but three.-2 to I agst Cat—G to 1 agst
. Bourbon.

• On. Sunday night, about half-past nine, as Mr.
KF.Aig, the actor, was returning to townon horse-
back, over Flounslow-heath, two fellows on the
path-way attempted to.stop.him. One presented
a pistol, And demanded his money. Mr. KEAN
.struck his spurs into his horse, who set. forward
immediately with such force AS to knock the fel-
low down, and strike the pistol out of his hand.
The other fired after Mr. K. but happily missed
him.

• An'aecident of a singular'ndtute occurred yes- .
terday afternoon in the city., In the front of the
Batik of England there are several recesses -in-
tended .for busts. One of these being- decayed,
fell down, upon a passer by, a Mr. DowNs,
merchant, in Gravel-lane, and occasioned a se-
vere contusion on the head. lie was taken in a
senseless state to a chemist's in the Poultry, where.
surgical aid. was immediately procured. It was
found necessary to treran him, which overation„
being performed, he was taken Linde• iu a very
precarious state.

COURT MARTIAL ON COL. QUINTIN.

SEVENTH AND LAST DAY.

' I The -Court assembled yesterday morning, at
the usual hour, when Colonel Palmer proceeded
to state, that,,prior to- his reading to the Court a
written reply to the defence of Col; Quintin,
which he had drawn up, lie wished, in justice to
his brother,Officers, to make a few remarks on
certain Parts of the defence, which' were not no-
ticed in the paper he then held in his hand. The
Judge Advocate expressed his willingness to hear
those observations, provided the' substance' of
them was afterwards subm";tted to the Members
of the Court, in writing. Col, Palmer stated,
that they should be so submitted.
Colonel PAt.start commenced by giving some
explanations upon part of-Colonel Quint-ill's -de
fence, to which hoe, did not intend to refer in the
course of his reply. He alluded to the °Wren-a-
firm made by Colonel Quintin upon Capt. Lloyd's
having accompanied hint in an excursion to Paris,
.upon -terms of the most friendly intercourse, and
to the inference drawn by Colonel. Quintin from
-that circumstance of there being no intention on
the part of hiS brother Officers to que•stion'his
right to the testimonies that load been given to his
general conduct on service. Upon this point Capt.
Lloyd had himself written a letter, which Colonel
Palmer then read to the Court. In this letter,'
Captain Lloyd stated, that he had often express,
:ed
.a wish to visit the- French capital in the pre-
sence of Colonel Quintin ; and having been re-
quested by Colonel Quintin to accompany him in
such an exenrsiOn, he could not, without expos- '
ing himself to unpleasant imputations, have re-
fused the invitation; As Col Qnintin load always
behaved towards him in the kindest mauner up to
that period, it would ill become him to he fOrwardi
in animadversions upon his conduct. His subse'
(pent acquiescence in the proceedings-taken by the
jOfficers of his regiment arose from a ft cling of ha,
noun, and not from personal pigne. • 'floe next
point to which Col. Palmer 'referred, was the as-
sertion made by Colonel Quintin, that , Major
Howard,snd four or five other Officer, had refused '
to sign the letter sent to the Prince Regent. TO
this- he answered positively, that Major' Howard
only gave such a refusal, every other Officer who
had been asked having subscribed his, name to the
letter. Major Howard was the particitlar friend,
.of Colonel Quintin, and consequently -it was na-
tural to suppOse ,he would not join in the accusa-
tion against him. Colonel Palmer then proceed-
ed.to refer to the observations made 'by Colonel-
Qnintin on the' number of corporal punishments
' which he discovered to have been inflicted -pre-
. vions to his joining his regiment, and to his deter-
teination to lessep, as much as possible,. t prole-.
tice which had been so pointedly t.fepreecited.— •
Upon this point - the gallant-Colonel entered into
a detailed explanationto justify his.own conduct;
~ General Viesp (the President), however, inter-
iipted his remarks,hy observing that it waS•qttite
unneeessary for hith to enter into a vindication of
his vl7ll conduct, as the Court were satisfied that.
nothing could have been more bommrable or more .
exemplary.---7 Col. Palmer was highly gratified 'by
this :testimony to his conduct ;- but loc. felt it in 7
ctionbeat on Ilion to spew that the punishments
Which he bad inflicted were absolutely essential to
the well-being of the reglment,;_and, besides; were
not more frequent than those inflicted by Colonel
Quiw.in.
4;i-eral ATTS.E here again interrupted Colonel
PahliCr, by remarking, that the cotirse pursued
by Colonel Qnintin, in endeavouring to • lessen
excess-,of punishment, and .to . try the effect of.
lenity on his soldiers, was highly praise-worthy ;
and'althOngh he had failed in the attempt, his
merit was not theiess. •

Colonel l!AumEtt coosidered. it essential to press
this Point, lest it might he inferred, from Colonel
Quintin's remarks, by' Sjr Francis Burdett and
othvrs, who had introduced this subject into Par-
lianiefit, that the ,discipline of a regiment on ser-
vice could be maintained without corporal punish-,
meiitsan inference which every Officer who
knew any thing of the-Army most deprtcate. This
part he considered as an attack on hini; and: o,n
Colonel Roberts ; and he proceeded at consider-
able length, to prove the necessity 'which there
,existed, from the want of disciiilioe. in the regi-
ment, to' make severe examples ; and asserted,
that notwithstanding this laxity of discipline; not
one quarter of the number of 'Men had been pu-
nished.during the time he held the Con-inland, as.
there were while commanded by Col. Q►tintiu.,.He
also strenuously argued on the necessity, particu-
larly on foreign :service, of having recourse to cor-
poral punishment. With respect to the assertion
of, that.he- (the Prosecutor) was de-
Sirous of remaining iii England, to look aftercer-
tain Parliamentary business, he utterly denied,
however the interests of his family might be im-
plicated in any .Parliamentary proceeding!, that be
Was actuated by any such motive; and entered
into an explanation of great length;to prove the
• truth of the statement. As to the infirm state of
Colonel Quintin's health, which was advanced as
a reason: for his not sooner-joining the regiment,
he begged to observe, that his health -was not in
a worse state than that of the greater part of the
Officers. whom he commanded.—On the subject
of the letter of the 9th of August, which:was
migivally intended to be delivered to the Prince
Regent, but which hid been withheld, in conse-
quence of his (the Prosecutor's};preterring a
per-
sonal interview with his Royal Highness, lied
which letter Was afterwards given to Col. Quin-
tin, on his stating thlit it was his Royal High.
ness's desire, he wished to observe, that no
orders had ever been given by the Prince Regent .
with respect to the giving up of that letter.
Colonel P.itman then proceeded to his written
reply. With respect to the Ist Charge, of not
having properly supported the foraging party in
the vallsy of iliaruy, it was clear from the evi-
dence, that, instead of obeying the brigade' or-
ders, and procuring for the foragers a proper sup,-
port, iu the morning-, it was twelve o'clock at
noon before Capt. Lloyd was dispatched to Gen.
Murillo for a body of infantry to cover them. It
was also in evidence that they were very soon at•
tacked—that Col. Quintin lett theta without sup-
port, and that some men were in consequence
taken. In answer to this, Col. Quintin stated,
that he received the orders at night, and that he
dispatched a messenger, at day-break, to General

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* Murillo ; but be was here evidently confound-
ing what occurred on the lOth, wit-h
what hap-
: peend two dayS afterwards, op the 12th. He
seemed to think, that he would be aided by a co-
vering party, with very little notice. He observed,
that he took the supporting party of fhe regiment,
up the hill, foraging as they went, leaving the
1-• advanced party unprotected, '' concluding that
they would overtake or fall in with . us by an-
other road.'' 'This Colonel Quintin.admitted he
had done, without leaving a single person to
• direct the party, so abandoned', of the coarse
he had taken—at a time,- too, when, there %%as a
thick fog, which was one of the reasons. he al-
leged for retiring. This charge he considered
proved, and it called for the severest sentence of
the Colat.': —With respect to? the anxiety he ea-
. pressed .to Captain Fitzclarence, when at the top
of the bill (two miles from the place where he
had left the foraging party), he could give hint
no 'credit for it;, it was the natural conduct of a
man, conscious that he had abandoned to chance
those who were entrusted to his care: If they
looked to the evidence'of Serjeant Marchant they
would find, that, at the period of the attack, in-
stead of skewing energy and decision at such a
critical period, Colonel Quintin was quietly riding
to and fro, no`w and again looking at the enemy.
I will venture to -affirm (said Colonel Palmer),
that if the men -could have been examined as to
their feelings when Colonel Quintin led them to
the rear, they would have stated that they felt the
greatest anxiety for the safety of their comrades.
I cannot but remark, that while Colonel' Qaintiu .
remained near the foragers,. he was far from dis-
playing any energy„ but continued tamely riding
his horse up and.down, instead of going instantly
to the place of attack, as it was his duty to have
done. As to the statement' that an Officer was
detached for a detachment -at_ day-bre:lk to cover
the foragers, no such circumstance could have
taken place ; it was on the l2th, and not on the
10th, that Lieutenants WyndhanP•and Fitzela-
rence were coder orders. to procure .a covering
party from General Murillo, and the Colonel and
the Serjeant-Major Must, to say the least of it,
,have confounded date's and circumstances. This
is proved by the silence of ColondQuintin when
General Murillo'S rebuke was related to hint ;
and by the fact, that at the time, the Officer was
not sent for. to receive rebuke or graver punish-
ment. Why also did Colonel Quintile put no
question to Lieutenant Fitzclarence on the
subject ; and .why, also, is there no mention of
the • order in the orderly-book ? The evidence
of Brigade-Major Jones was very strong in sup-
port of the charge. This Officer, thouga he rode
'off to bring up a. party of infantry, considered._
that a covering party bad been stationed, as as
order to that purpose had beep given. lie also'
stated,, that a. chain of infantry would hare pre- -
vented the loss, of that ; the ground was soch,
• that 100 infantry' would nave stopped a large hotly
of troops : how much Mort certainly then might
thee have-prevented the attack which took place,
a:ldWhich was orily Made by the eoemy•s pictitiet•t;.
Indeed, it is proved that. the whole of Colonel
Quintin's conduct was a mass, of inconsistency and
confusion. Qoarter-Master-Eyre loon(' forage in-',
plenty in a place perfectly _safe, yet Lieut. Fitz, .
clarence was sent to forage in General Murillo's
cantonments, which tvere ordered to be respected.
Lord E. Somerset's order of the 15th origioated
in' the events of the 10th, and these 'must have
been among the circumstances which contributed
to Lord Combermere's opinion. .
The Second Charge,_which alleged that Colonel
Quintin (lid not give the support he ought to' do
to the regiment when attacking time enemy the .
day after the battle of Orthies, lay in a very nar-
row.compass. • Col. Quintin answered it, by re-
ferring to his former.good character, by starting
his opinion as to. the situation in which a Com-
manding Officer should be found, and by depend-
ing more than perhaps' was consistent With the
military character, on the state of his horse.—
Now lie was willing to giveSoionel Quintin (whot
by the way, was in service a very young Officer)
every advantiige that could be derived from his
former good character. But 'he would ask, was
that to, establish him for ever ? And what had his
former conduct to do with the rharges now advanc-
'ea against hint ? From the 'evidence of Private
French, it appeared that Colonel Quintin was at
: one time in front ; hut no reason was assigned fur
his changing his position when brought to action.
There are, notwithstanding the' insinuation of
Colonel Quintin; that to have led: his regiment
would have been an act of rashness, pardonable
only in a young Officer, Of ficers•even in the same
regiment of older standing-than himself. For let
'it be recollected, in service Colonel Qaimt in is a
young. Officer, and the affair of the-28th of Fe-
bruary was the first since he had joined the re-
gimenrin which he had an onpfmronmity of t'immiinat-
ing the' regiment by Iris example. The Earl of
Uxbridge, in answer to a qnestion, where the
COlonel of a regiment of cavalry should be sta-
tioned, said, in the flank of the column. Now •
the case of Col. Quintin has not been properly
represented to his:Lordship : it was given in evi-
dence, that Colonel Quintin was riding in front
Of his leading division,
.where Captain Fit zclarence
saw him reining in his horse, and moving off to
the flank. Serjeant Lacy said, that he passed him
When he was at the head of a column. Now if
either Lord Uxbridge or General Vivian had been
asked whether it was 'proper for a Colonel who
had been riding at the head of his divisiou to stop
and Move off to the flank, when within 50 yards of
the enemy, and they had answered
.yes, all the
army might have retorted upon these excellent
Officers, that their practice was contrary to their
principles. As to the silly invention of Set'-
team Lacy, with respect to Colonel Quintin's
mare; I was from the first disgusted with it, as
tending to they unmerited odium on Colonel
Quintin, who is a light weight, an excellent se-
lector of horses, and confessedly the best horse-
man in Europe. Lacy, to bear out his story,,
said, that several of 'the horses were distressed,
but there was not a hian ‘vho followed hint, officer
or private, who did not contradict this hssertiii:iiitt.
Colonel Quintin also spoke of the inferiority of
his own and the other Officers' truup-ho; ;
be did not say that any Officer ever condescended
to make use of such a statement as an excuse for
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speed and stren4th sufficient in the horses when
Colonel Quintin ceased to restrain them. Al-
though I do not: charge Colonel 'Quintin , with
itstwhiviour in- presence of the enemy, yet, in
ticect, his conduct %vas much the same.; for it was
of little consequence whether it originated in want
-of couritge[Or '-want of officer-like feeling.
He rides at the head of the division, and there
receives orders to charge, •when he trots and
g.:-:Hops with the" division towards the enemy,
and when within fifty, or,. his own- or-.
derly serjeant sayi, twenty yards of the enemy,
disappears, and is left behind. St4ch example
is most dangerous to the regiment. .Although
the private soldiers are as brave. as •men can
he, yet the force of example • is. Well known.;
and in this case I venture to..saii, it wteoonly._
counteracted by the•zeal and activity.of the other
Officers who charged with mein the front, The-,
next point of time in the period referredJo in the
charge, is that when the division fprmed a second
time, and we were left without orders—Colonel,
Quint-in did not then appea:, nor Jill the retreat.
after the second charge. The defence against
thiS charge betrayed a want of feeling, to use no
barskerexpression, which I should not have ex-
pected to have fotind in Col. Quintin. He was,
both Wanted and called for, but did noPtappear.-His
answer to this is, that-the manner in which he. was
call rl for would -have excited .his sutprize; if he
bad heard the call ; but that he did not• hear it
he then says; he trusts all further remarks .on
this part of the' charge are unnecessary. Was
it nothing then that • the regiment should be
without the presence of the Commanding,oll-i7,
cer at such a time Was it nothing, that when the
French were advancing upon the regiment in such.,
imposing numbers, that its-safety was threatened,.
they should be 'left without orders or support.?,--
True it waS'that the French did put about on the
division advancing, even without support. The
next point of time 4s, that Colonel Quintin-quitted.
the front of Captain de Grammont's squadron„
soon as. it was fired on. --It is statedthy the evi-
deuce, that when the centre squadron ttltder Cap-
tain
de Granunont received a volley fromfsome in- .
fantry in a wood, Colonel Quintin put about the
egiment, and passed to the rear. rGaptain-Stuart„
stated, that Captain -Grammont gave..the orders.to
front, and that he-spoke so loud, that he .(Captain
Stuart) could hear him, though be. was witit his
men in the rear. Capt.-Lloyd also says, that. Col..
Quintin ordered hint to•put•about his troop;'after•
receiving the volley, and'passetito thereat.; and that
being left without orders, and seeing some other
troops put about, be thought it duty to front-
withOut orders Col. Qttintin cente.ndsi.that the
orders to frOnt were given.by'hint---4he evidence
adduced -on this subject I -leave :to the,considera- •
lion of the Court. - It is temarkable that Colonel
Qui-nth] has Ulways found reason for being'any..,
where but in the discharge of his duty, when at
tended
„with. danger. In the affair .at Macoy,
trifling as it was, lie. found reasons for filing. up'.
the hill: • On 'the •day in question, be found
.rea-
sons for leaving -the leading division, • and again,
on the same day,•for passing-to the rear of -the
center squadron: Colonel Quintin calls the con-
duct of Captain tie Grammont,- in .fronting the •
squadron, vivacity; -but it. was a vivacity which
sa ed the reputation of the regiment, and pro-
bably, feoM the manner in which the. French ad- -
vanced, the column itself from destruction..
The •JUDGE ADVOCATE said, it . would now be
proper to ascertain whether •the answers returned
by the Duke de Guiche to the -,questions put jo'
him, could be in any manner introduced into the
proceedings. If either party objected, to their be-'
ing introduced; the Court had no alternative,—
Col. Paliner said, if "'the defendant bad.no objec-
tion, he would read -the letter. Quintin hav-
ing objected to this,

Colonel PALMER then proc'eetled to the Third
Charge ; observing, that except with respect to' the
point of Col. Quintin's *being prestnt When Capt.
Fitzelarence was Wounded, the charge appeared to,
hint to be completely borne outby the evidence.
When (said he) the regiment 'cattle under the are.
of the enemy, it was halted, Colonel Qointin was
at its head when the firing began, andak soon as
it had begun 'Colonel Quititin was missing; Ma-'
jor Howard sent' Lieutenant yyndhani...to Lord
Edward Somerset for
.Orders, as lie could not see
Colonel Quintin : 'Captain Fit4larence
'was then'
wounded : the firing lasted about 'Seien.minntes •
the point of Calonel,Onintin being present When
the wound occurred, is—not material to the ques-
tion. Captain 'Fitzelaretice said, his memory.was
confused with respect to what. fook place 'at the
ilme he was wounded ; but, before that time, he
did not . see the Colonel in front; lie had apre
vious shot just before receiving. his Wound, Now
Colonel Quintin's witnesses have not-done them-
selves or him much credie.on this occasion. One
puts him in front, another. puts him in a ditch;`one has it before the halt, and another after ; but
the strongest facts were proved that he quitted
the front te moment the tire began, and did not
afterwards return ; that Major Howard not see.:
'ing him, was forced to send to Lord Edward SO-
merset for orders ; and that Lieutenant Wyndham
delivered the orders of Lord. E. Somerset to Major
Howard.. This was, therefore, another "of the
instances of his quitting his post. Every
,man, in
the service knows how difficult it is, to keep a re-
gime-nt of cavalry to their post on such an occa-
sion, and that it requires the presence of the
Commanding Officer. That this was the moment,
which Colonel Quintin chose, according to his
own account, to ascertain the strength of the
ettemy. Colonel Quintin's pretence for absenee
was highly unwarrantable and unsoldier-like;
.and
when this, with the other instances, was taken
into consideration,- I have no fear but the Court
will be of the same opinion with myself with re':
spect to his conduct.
'Oncoming to the Vourth Charge,. Colonel Pal--
-mer observed, that the truth of .all the allegations
contained init had been we inuAr proved, that
there vas but little occasion tor him to trouble
the cOurt on the subject. " Before 1 conclude,
however, (said 11 e)
I consider, that in the dis-
charge of my duty -I may. be allowed to ask the
Court if they can think that the Officers of the
JOrit,regirueut have, complanted of Col. Quintin
without a cause ? axtd that it was not their duty.
to make !a .representation somewhere ? . 1_ ask if
there can he tile Least xcasnn to ouppoe that their

poncloct has bein engendered by feelings of per-
ional Hostility ? And if it has not been throughout.
perfectly consistent with strict subordination and
exact military discipline ? I ask if the Officers
did not-owe it, to the service and to the Illustrious
Personage connected with the -regiment to make
the disclosure which they have_ done ? I, say this
in consequence of, the qusion of Colonel Quin-
tin to .the letter of the Oilleers, as an evidence of
party feeling,. tinhalterus. have, it is said, been
asked to sign A.letter which .contained facts that
didmot come within their pt.:ronal knowledge ;
and this the, Superior Officers .ought not to have
asked them .to do. Were Officers, who ;felt a
pride _in their situations, to'-'see their regiment
daily filling to pieces in its interior management,
and their complaints unheeded; without being al,
lowed to take-any notice,J.-if it and when they
at last came forward with their coMplaintS, was
it proi,•er that they, should be told, that in so
doing they had violated ,the rules and ..orders of
the service ? After this short discussion, having
laid before. the Cotirt the cavalry orders of the
.2Gth of February, rbave, only farther to refer to
the evidence of Lqd Combermere and Lord E.
Somerset. There was:not one syllable in favoiir
of Colonel Quintin in their answers to,-any ques-
tions put to them, referable tothe discipline of,
the -regiment. When they were asked if the re-
giment had turned out in time, Inc. the answer
was, invariably, No ; .and they attsributed. this to
the want of system in the gommanding Q(1-
cer, Lord .E6Karil 'Somerset. says distinctly,
•tliat.he attributedAt to the want of systein in the
Commanding o,llicer. So far was disapproba-
ti,on carried, :that Lord. Edward Somerset, ,at last
ordered all reports. toshe made to hiniself,—thus
taking the. command of ,the, regiment
from Colonel.P.niutin.,_ Can any man wonder,'
after.this, that the Officer ,should be-dissatisfied
with his cotidticl? .of dicipline Was
proved ,by every witness ,acittoced; .either 14, or
against Colonel Quintin 1.1(1 one Captain. says,
that at:last gave over, to report to Colonel
Quintin,-.ls At. was altogether ineffectual, Before
ctosing,..-J play be-allowed to. observe, that how-
ever deqiiralk.t. at..bome,it may be to dispense'as
nruch.as possible,vitith, Corporeal.punisyment, to
abolish sc in the field will..always be
fptald:4lis.t4.o.ous:to 411e.seOrice' and ruinous to .the
army: ii4ivitig said thus _much, I leave the cause,
of the Ofneers..ot the.l:Oth.to the..wis,dom and lin,
partiality of,the"CourV' -
The Court Was theneleared, and the *mbers
-proceeded to,consider.*,irJudgment; which will
not, be published till it..be .made known to the
. ,