The Sun.
London, England, 1822-03-30 00:00:00

CIVIL LIST.

- Ir. IHJME rose to mow for certain, Papers respecting the
Charges for. the Third Class of the Civil List. His object was
merely to obtain information to enable the-I:louse to come to a
satisfactory decision on the case when it Came before them. He
moved for areturn of the number- of Ministers, Charges des
Apires, or Agents, not being Consuls, at the different Courts
abroad, Specifying the total amount of their salaries, establish-
. rnents, and allowances, of every kind, together with all charges
'for extraordinaries or incidental expenses, in the years 1792 and
1321,- with the dates of the several appointments. Also a re-
turn of all English Consuls and 'rice Consuls kept abroad in
the same year, specifying their salaries and allowances, and dis-
tinguishing whether the duties of such stations were performed
in person or by deputy.
Also a return of all pensions granted to Ministers sent out to
Courts.
Also a return of all Ministers or Consuls appointed since
1792, specifying their salaries, allowances, and outfits.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY had no objection to the
puxiuCtion of the paperS moved for ; on the contrary he might
perhaps move for some additional papers, as it was his object to
sift this question to the bottom, and examine the subject in all
its c?ar.ings,"
The motion was agreed to. •
Mr.-.111:1111E then, moved for an account of all Pensions
granted to those comprehended in. the Third Claps of the Civil
List, from January, 1817, to January, 1822, together with the
amount paid from these in certain cases, under theprovisions of
an Act of Parliament, to the Consolidated Fund in each year.—
The motion was agreed to.
Mr.: RENNET moved an Address to the Crown, praying
that Accounts of the nett produce of the Four and Half per
Cent. Duties, and the manner in which the same were appro-
priated, 'should be laid before the House.—Agreed to.
- IRISH FIVE PER: CENTS: BILL.

The Report of the Irish Five per Cents. Bill was taken into
consideration, and after some remarks- from 31r. RICARDO as
to the arrangements with respect to time, and a few words from
Sir J. NEWPORT, which were replied to by the CHANCELLOR
of the ExcunQUER, the Report was agreed to; and the Bill
read a'third time, and passed.
The Report of the Summary Proceedings Bill was taken
into further consideration, and , the Bill ordered to be recom-
mitted on Tuesday.
MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES.

Mr. ARBUTHNOT moved the House should go into a
Committee of Supply ; and he alsc4 moved that the Miscel-
laneous Estimates should be referred to the said Committee.
Mr. HUME hoped the Army Extraordinaries were not now
to be brought forward. If this .were intended, he should op-
pose it.
Mr: ARBUTHNOT said the Army Extraordinaries would
not come-on then.

The motion was agreed to, and the House resolved itself into
the Comthittee.

Mr. ARBUTHNOT thought it necessary to address a few
words to the Committee, in explanatien of the estimates, as they
in some respects differed from those of last year, and it was 1,
right that he should point out the changes which had taken place.
Last year the first item called fora large aggregate sum, in which
the charge for bread, meat, 'and forage was included. This
year in consequence of the decline in the price of provisions
that charge had been separated, from others. The sum re-
quired
last year for the articles he had mentioned was 159,0001.
taking meat. at 6d. the. pound. This year the price of'meat
averaged but 40. and the difference blaween that price and
6d. was given to the soldier. The next item for coals,
candles, and stores in barracks, was 41,0001. last year.—
This year - the charge under the same head was 3.5,0001.--
For great coats, the charge fast year was 20,0001. This year it
was 17,0eq1. being a saving of 3,0001. For the Commissariat
last year the sum called for was 52,0601. In the present esti-
mates the sum called for in consequence of the reduction of
some 'of the officers was but 49,0001. and some odd hundreds.—'_.
The Commissariat half-pay list caused a charge last year of
43,3631. This year it amounted to 45,8241. This increase arose
from the reduction which had taken place, which placed those
who had previously been on' full-pay on the half-pay list, and
froth another cause which he. briefly explained. There was
besides a small additional expense from promotions on the oc-
casion of the . Coronation. ' -The Commissariat 'Officers had
deserved this of their country long since. In 1816, from the
manner in which they had performed their duty at the close
of the war, and especially in the Peninsula, it had been taken
into consideration., but reluctance to incur additional expence
had prevented the measure from being decided upon. No promo-
tions had been made but in the case of two or three clerks who
had refused to go unhealthy climates but on this condition.—
Promotions having taken- place in the army and navy since the
close of the war, it was felt necessary to do the same by the
Commissariat, to spare the feelings of officers belonging to that
department. Four officers had in consequence been promoted
to the highest class, Six-to the second class, four to thatimme-
diately under it, and sixteen clerks had been raised file lowest
step. This did not cause much additional exppnce, as since the
peace the lowest class had been on the sarrie footing with the
clerks themselves during the war. There was also a small ad-
dition for Widows' Pensions. This arose partly from the
regulation made the year before last, and partly from the num-
ber of death which had occurred in the unhealthy climates.—
The charge for the Full Pay of Officers had been reduced from
14,2831 to 15,3801. The hired labourers had been reduced from
127
or 129 to 59. In consequence of this, a saving of 4,5001.
had been effected. He proceeded to explain the way by
which the sum of 357,7481. the total charge, was reduced by
stores in depot, presumed to amount to 15,0001. and other
items to be carried- to account, to 334,0001. The business of
the Storekeeper's Department was about to_ be transferred

to the Ordnance. There every effort would be made to do'
justice to the public ; but saying this he must add, that it
was impossible for the business to be better performed than it
had been by the Storekeeper and the head of that department.
The Master of the Ordnance might possibly be able to reduce
some of the officers; but he was not sure that this would be in
his power. He concluded by moving a grant to defray the
expences of the Commissariat Department in the present year
of 334,6401.
Mr. HUME remarked, the grant before them had been re-
duced from 401,0001., its amount last year, to 334,0001. Look-
ing at this, and believing the Right Hon. Gentleman to be
merely anxious to diminish the public expenditure, he was re-
luctant to offer any objections on the present occasion. It was
however impossible not to remark on some of the items. There
was a charge of 35,0001. for coals and candles in barracks.
This was a large sum for such a purpose. Then there was an
item of 70,0001. for barrack stores. It might be impossible for
the Right Hon. Gentleman to give the particulars of this charge
noiv, but he hoped they would be furnished by next year, or
he should object to the grant and call for further information.
The Right Hon. Gentleman had mentioned a charge made
with respect to the Storekeeper. That which had been pressed
for last year on that side of the House, was an arrangement by
wh:s-t the heavy expense of the premises then rented might
be got rid of. He did not know whether this .had been ef-
fected by the changes which the Right lion. Gentleman had
mentioned ; if it had not no great diminution of expence could
thence arise. He had last year complained of the large num.:
ber of Commissioners kept up in Canada. These he found had
been reduced from 72 to 61. Besides these 61 in Canada,
there were 22 in Nova Scotia. Now he .would submit that 83
Commissaries in those places must be more than were neces-
sary, and he hoped and expected to see the number consider-
ably reduced by next year. But besides those he had men-
tioned, there were eight Commissioners of Accounts in Canada,
and four in Nova Scotia, making with the 83 he had spoken of,
a total of 95. Ire then noticed other charges which appeared
to him .to call for remark. The salary of Mr. Herries he com-
plained of as too large, and as most extravagant. He had last
year objected to the remuneration granted to Mr.: Commissary
Trotter. He denied that he had that claim on the country on
account of his long service which had been set up for him.
He had no more right to be_regarded as an old servant of the
public than any other person had who might have been in the
employ of a contractor or agent for the Government. He
did not propose to make any reduction on the Estimates at
present, but he could wish to ask if the Right Hon. Gentle-
man meant to hold out to them that no future reduction could
be effected ?

Mr. ARBUTIINOT, adverting to the remarks which had
fallen from the Hon. Gentleman. respecting the Storekeeper's
Department, said, he bad perhaps been rather remiss in not
stating that arrangements had been made, which afforded him
every reason to hope that the whole duty of that Department
would in future be transferred to the Ordnance. He could as-
sure the Hon. Gentleman; that though a year had elapsed since
this subject had beenmentioned, the time had not been passed
in idleness. His thoughts had been anxiously turned to it,
with a view of making. the transfer as soon as this could be
effected, with due regard to economy, and proper attention to
the public service. He belieVed he might say, that from this
time forward, the whole of the business of the Storekeeper's
Department would be transacted at the Ordnance., The item
of 70,0001. which had been alluded to Ve could only submit
to the House as he bad now bro'ught it forward. Hereafter
there would be no tifliculty in obtaining information as to the
manner in which it might be applied, but at present all he
could say was, that that sum had been spent in the last year,
under the head which appeared In the Estimates, and it was rea-
sonable to suppose that a like sum would hereafter be wanted.
Wit'n respect tb the warehouses in Tooley-street, which
had been alluded to, and the rent of which it had been wished
to save, he had every reason to believe that they would soon
be got rid of, but under what circumstances they would be
turned on the hands of the proprietors he could not now take
upon himself to say. As to the number of Commissaries kept
up in Canada, Nova Scotia, and the West Indies, he was sorry
that lie had not with him a.paper which he had left at home,
stating the number of stations Occupied by. the troops. At
Gibraltar, where the soldiers were nearly all in one place but
i few Commissaries were necessary • but scattered as the forces
were at the other places Which had been mentioned, it must be
seen that a much greater niunber of Commissaries were called
for, and the expense, provisions, and stores must be greatly
augmented if a sufficient number of officers were not re-
tained to watch and protect them. If, consistently with the
public interest, the number could be reduced, such reduc-
tion should take place. Remarks had been made on Mr.
Herries. That Gentleman received 2,7001. for his 'services.—
He believed it was well known to the public that he had
performed his duty in a most perfect and satisfactory man-
ner. Not wishing to make a comparison that would be
disadvantageous to any other person who had held the same
situation, he might say that Mr. Herries had never been sur-
passed by any one who had preceded him. It might be proper
to state, that though Mr. Herries was now included in the Par-
liamentary Commission appointed to inquire into the state of
the public Offices in Ireland, he received no salary for that
duty. He ought to say that, if Mr. Herries retained his si-
tuation as auditor, it was uo fault of his, as he had wished to
relinquish it last year, that he might wholly .give.hirnself up
to the other duties that claimed his attention. For Mr. Trot-
ter, though the Honourable Gentleman denied his claim 'to con-
sideration for long services, it ought to be remembered that his
peculiar fitness for the situatian which he had filled had
raised him to it. The highest encomiums had been passed on
his conduct when the. war concluded, and having received
20001. per annum during the war, he thought he had not been
improperly allowed to retire on an income of little more than
1,5001.
Mr. BENNET said, the income 'of Mr. Herries, 2,7001.
was one that might well startle them, for such an income had
never been heard of for a clerk before. There was no sort of
duty which Mr. Herries could perform from daybreak till mid-
night which he ought not to render to the public for such remu-
neration. He admitted Mr. Herries to be a most meritorious
servant, but he objected to that scandalous prodigality which
gave him so large a reward.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER spoke, to the
meritorious services of Mr. Herries, and begged to remark,
that there were very few Members in that House whose edu-
cation and talents surpassed those of that Gentleman. The
Hon. Gentleman was not justified in considering him merely as
a clerk.. From the situation of a Clerk to the Treasury he
had risen to a most important situation, having in every in-
stance given the highest satisfaction to the heads of his depart-
ment. Mr. Herries to the close of the war had been entrusted
under a Commission with the management of an immense sum
connected with the military expenditure of the country. No
less than 17,000,0001. had passed through his hands, for which
he had accurately accounted, and for the disbursement of which
he had disclaimed all remuneration. He had also rendered
important services to the country in connection with the new
arrangement of the Civil List, and put the accounts on
such a footing that no accumulation of debt had since occurred.
Mr. Trotter, it was true, had not been in the public service so
long as Mr. Herries. ut though he had not served the country
more than eleven years, the House could not be ignorant of the
great exertions which that Gentleman had made in various
places abroad, and especially in the Netherlands. The num-
ber of Commissaries kept up in Canada were necessary, while
our troops in that quarter were scattered as they were at pre=
sent. To diminish the number of those whose duty it was
to watch over the provisions and stores before the forces
could be more concentrated, would, he was sure, be the worst
economy. -
Mr. BENNET did not mean to deny that Mr. Herries was
a most excellent servant. What he objected to was, that he had
received the salary which ought to pay a higher office than that
which he had filled. He only meant to speak, not against Mr.
Herries but against his retiring on a salary of 2,7001.
TheCHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, since it
was admitted that Mr. Herries was a most excellent ser-
vant, he would take upon himself the responsibility of reward-
ing him.
Mr. BENNET remarked, much was heard of Ministerial
responsibility, but he wished to God that they knew that there
was any meaning in the word. It had been constantly used
during the last fifty years, *while the nation was hastening to
weakness, poverty, and ruin. He did not know whether the
day of real responsibility would ever come, but he hoped to
God that it would, and that too while the present Ministers
were living.
Mr. HL ME complained of the number of Commissariat
clerks maintained up the Mediterranean, and of the expense
I thus thr"wn on the country. He thought an establishment of
252 clerks in the Commissariat Department was most ex-
travagant.

Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, that many reductions had taken
place in this Department since the last year. As further re-
ductions could be they certainly would be made.—The Resolu-
tion was then agreed to.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT then proposed a Resolution for
121,6001. for the Barrack Department.
Dr. LUSHINGTON wished to know'what had been done
with a surplus sum under this head, which was stated to be
unappropriated last year ?
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, the sum had been applied to the
expence of building for this department, which were nearly
completed, and that the House would not be called upon for
any further sum to defray this charge.
Mr. HUME said, the charge for the whole of this depart-
ment in 1818 was 99,1001., being 22,5001. less than in this year
of pretended economy and reduction. The item of 27,0001.
for salaries and allowances to Barrack Masters and their De-
puties was a most extravagant charge. If the salaries of Bar-
rack Masters were reduced to 901. a year, which was allowed

to be an adequate retnnneration by the best military authori-
ties, a sum of 10,0001. would be saved to the country. He
last year noticed the case of a Barrack Master, at Haddington,
who was a linen-draper in that town, and he had this year de-
tected an ironmonger, who officiated in the same military capa-
city, and who was in other ways connected With the Barracks,
than by receiving his salary and reconnoitring them, as he
passed once a week on his way toEdinburgh, to transact the
business of his shop. He would propose a reduction of 10,0001.
in the allowances. As for the 60,0001. for annual repairs of
Barracks, he thought it would be better to let the Barracks,
the unnecessary ones (and many of them, were unnecessary), j
go to ruin and rot, as they could be rebuilt again at the cost
of the, repairs for a year or two. He saw no reason why the
system of Barrack Masters should not be broke up, unless that
they were politically appointed. It would be more consistent,
as well as economical, to let the duties of Barrack Masters be
done by half-pay officers. ' The Honourable Member con-
cluded by moving, that 111,6001. be granted, instead of the
original vote of 121,6001.
Upon the Amendment being put,
Mr. ARBUTHNOT denied that any persons were appointed
to the office of Barrack Master, except 'such as.were connected
with the army. He had been long acquainted with the ap-
pointments, and could say that they were mostly officers who
had been long in the army, and had been reduced. He would
add, that they were not overpaid, and they had never been ap-
pointed for political reasons. He denied that the Barrack Master
of Haddington was a draper, or had resided so far from his post
as had been alleged. The officer alluded to had indeed taken
a farm at some distance from his residence, but then that farm
was managed by his son. As for the expence of repairs, it
would be seen that 63,4011. had actually been expended. last
year in repairs. The number of barracks had, since 1813,been
reduced to one-third. It was, impossible, therefore, to reduce
the sum for repairs.
Colonel WOOD thought it would be imprudent to part too
hastily with buildings which had cost so much money. At the
commencement of the war, a want of cover for the troops had
been felt, and that had induced them to build more barracks
than were perhaps necessary, but still it would be improper to
part with them.
Mr. HUME thought the care of the house at Brecon very
absurd—there were not perhaps 50 soldiers in the town ; the
repairs of the house cost only IL., and yet 1631. was paid for at-
tending to it. He thought all the temporary wooden barracks,
such as those at Canterbury, for which a rent of about 30001. was
paid, should be taken down. There 'was one item of last year's
expenditure which he thought absurd in itself, and upon which
they could not reckon as any part 'of the average expence—he
meant the 10,0001. which had been laid out upon the Mews at
Charing-cross, when it was in contemplation to remove them
next year.
Mr. W. SMITH said, he observed a charge of 101,0001. for
bread, meat, and forage. If this were the total amount he
thought the 60,0001. for keepers of Barracks was highly dis-
proportionate, especially as the incidental were almost as much
as the principal charges. The transfer of the barrack duty to
the Ordnance Department ought, he thought, to have been
made before, as it was confessedly practicable.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, the charge for bread, meat, and
forage was allowed in the Army Estimates, and was introduced
into the present Estimates merely to illustrate the accounts.
The Hon. Member on consulting the Estimates would find that
it was not distinctly charged. The transfer of duty had been
long }ender consideration, but the accomplishing of such an ob-
ject was necessarily a work of time.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said it appeared there was no limit
to the discretion of the Barrack Department. He observed a
sum of 10,0001. for repairs in the last year, though they ap-
peared to be of a temporary nature, and though the particulars
of the charges were not given.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said that no considerable expence was
ever incurred without the approbation of the Treasury. He
was not able to give the particulars of the sum alluded to by
the Right Honourable Baronet, on uccount of the illness of Mr.
Markham, the principal Officer at the head of the Barrack
Department.
Mr. R. SMITH thought the circumstance just mentioned by
the Right Hon. Gentleman was an irresistible argument in fa-
vour of the proposition of the Hon. Member for Aberdeen.—
The Expenditure of the last year was in general a guide for that
of the present ; and as the 10,0001. in question had been laid
out for Extraordinary Repairs, it was not likely that a similar
sum would be required this day.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, that as there certainly appeared
to'be some foundation for the argument that the Repairs in ques-
tion were Extraordinary, and as he was, for the, reasons he had
mentioned, not able to give the House the particulars of it, he
certainly would not press the vote, so far as it regarded the
10,0001. Hear, hear !) •
Mr. BENNET said, ,that the motion of his Honourable
Friend, the Member for Aberdeen, was intended as a reduc-
tion of the allowances to Barrack-masters, and was therefore
not touched by the concession which had just been made by
the Right Hon. Gentleman. He felt pleasure in answering the
appeal made to him by the Right Hon. Gentlemen, to prove
that he had not been influenced in a particular case by parti-
cular motives. Certainly the Right Honourable Gentleman
had acted on that occasion fairly, and handsomely. But with
regard to the present vote, he really thought as much as
44,0001. ought to be taken off; 1050001. from the salaries, and
30,0001. from the repairs. The barracks at Manchester and
Oldham were perfectly useless, and were admitted to be so ;
and as for the barrack in the Regent's Park, it was erected in
a most inconvenient situation, and was damp and unhealthy. '
He objected also to the allowance of a horse and barrack car-',
riage, for each Barrack-mastera
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, he understood the object of the
Honourable Member for Aberdeen was merely to take 10,0001.
from the vote ; and to that he had consented ; but he could not
agree to any further reduction. Several Barracks had been
given up ; and among them those at Manchester.
Doctor LUSHINGTON thought there was a considera-
ble omission in the Estimates with respect to the dates of the
various expenses. But, at all events, he thought the same
sum which was required last year for extraordinary repairs,
could not be necessary this year. He thought that further
information should be given, before the House could be called
upon to pass the present vote.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, the last account was for works
actually done ' • the present was merely an Estimate. He had
already stated that it was not in his power to give such full
particulars as he could wish, on account of the illness of Mr.
Markham.
Mr. HUME said he had last year opposed the granting of
money for the barracks at Manchester, and his arguments had
failed in convincing the House. Now it appeared that the
barracks were given up, and the money was lost to the public.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, it was only the temporary bar-
racks at Manchester to which he alluded. Those of a perma-
nent nature were retained.

Mr. HUME said, that had a return for which he had some
time since moved, been laid before the House' much of thepre-
sent difficulty would have been avoided. He had moved for an
account of the number of barracks retained in Great Britain, by
how many they were occupied, and for other necessary particu-
lars. He. certainly thought the vote ought to be postponed un-
til the House.should have received further and more satisfactory
information. •

Mr. R. WARD hoped the Committee would not hamper his
Majesty's Government as to the amount of the vote. The
application of it was to be left to their discretion ; and if at the
end of the year there was any sum remaining in hand, it would
be accounted for.

The vote was theHagreed to.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposed a
Resolution for 1,200,0001. for defraying the Interest of Ex-
chequer Bills for the year 1822.
Mr. RICARDO. complained that they were always called
upon to vote for arrears of interest on these Bills, although the
full amount had been provided for in the first instance.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the
present vote was to cover the interest for the present year, to-
gether with all outstanding arrears. They were frequently
called upon to pay arrears, in consequence of the Bank retain-
ing the hills in hand for a considerable time.
The Resolution was then agreed to.
The following Resolutions were then agreed to, viz.:-
200,0001. to, the. Commissioners of Management in respect of
Exchequer Bills ; 10,0001., the last instalment for carrying on
works at the Royal College of Edinburgh ; 18,1)001. for the
Penitentiary at Milbank. Upon the last vote,
Mr. HUME asked, if this was the last instalment, and
what amount had already been voted for this building ?
Mr. HOLFORD said it was the last instalment, and, with
the former sums, made 458,0001.
•Sir .T. NEWPORT said, that there was much ground for
complaint in the Government not having accepted Mr. Ben-
tham's plan. That Gentleman proposed building a prison
equally commodious as the one in question, and at a much
cheaper rate.
Mr. HOLFORD said, Mr. Bentham had oared to build
what they had done for upwards of 400,0001. for 20,0001., and
he left the Committee to judge whether justice could have been
done to the object of the building.
" After a few observation& from Mr. W. Smith, Mr. Buxton,
Sir C. Long, Mr. Sykes, Mr. Wilbraham, and Mr. Peel, the
vote was agreed to. -
The next vote was for 40,0001. for the repairs Of public
buildings. . • .
In answer to a question from Mr. HUME, the CHANCELLOR
of the EXCHEQUER stated, that the Hon. Member of that
House who had been appointed to the &lice of Juspector of
Gasometers at that end of the Town, IRA refuted t 9 accept
any salary.
Mr. Alderman WOOD moved an amendment for the post-

ponement of the vote, on which the Committee divided, when
there appeared—
For the Amendment - .
Against it - . -
Majority

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The next Resolution was for a vote of 35,0001. to defray the
charges for bounties, and other expenses paid upon the capture
of slave ships; which, after a few observations from Mr.
BERNAL, Mr. ARBUTHNOT, and Dr. LusittN'oToN, was
agreed to.
The sum of 10,5001. was voted for defraying the expenses of
the Mint and Gold Coinage in 1822.
For defraying the expense of Prosecutions for counterfeiting
the Coin, 5,0001.
For Law Charges in 1822, 25,0001.
FOr defraying the expense of Convicts employed at home for
the year, 1822, the sum of 81,3621.
For the Penitentiary, at Millbank, 23,0001.
On the motion for granting 3,0001. to defray the expense of
the National Vaccine Establishment,
Mr. HUME proposed to reduce the vote 15001. The Hon.
Member took objection to the employment of Mr. Murray, of
Bridge-street notoriety, as Secretary to the Board. He consid-
ered the salary bestowed upon that person a waste of the pub-
lic money. The Medical men of the Institution also received
salaries, which it would be to their honour to refuse.
Mr. DAWSON observed, that the individual to whom the
Hon. Member had alluded (Mr. Murray), did not receive
salary without the performance of service. He attended to
all the papers of the Institution.—Here Mr. flume exclaimed,
" there are none.")--Mr. Dawson assured the Hon. Member
he was under a mistake. The Board had papers which occu-
pied the attention of the individuals. The Institution was
really of more importance than the Hon. Member was disposed
to allow.
Mr. P. MOORE supported the Amendment.
Mr. W. SMITH was inclined to consider the taking salaries
at this Institution rather disgraceful to eminent medical men,
because almost every public medical establishment was at-
tended by men of the first talent gratuitously.
Mr. ELLICE said, it was not worth the while of the House
to sacrifice for 1,5001. what might be of great benefit to the
country. He begged his Hon. Friend would abstain from
dividing the House, and guard cautiously against the slur
thrown on this Institution.

Mr. HUME did not mean to slur the Institution, but it was
a slur on those who took salaries from the public. His object
was to remove the shit. from these individuals. He withdrew
his amendment

Mr. ELLICE explained.
Mr. WILLIAMS said, a more useful establishment did not
exist.

Mr. BENNET supported the objections of his Honourable
Friend.—The sum was then voted.

The sum of 33,5671., for defraying the expences of the Public
Office, Bow-street, including the Horse. Patrole, &c. was also
granted.
The sum of 100,0001., for defraying bills drawn from New
South Wales, was voted.
The CumnmAN,then reported progress, and the Report was
ordered to be received on Monday.
Adjourned at HALF-PAST TWELVE to Monday.

LIST OF THE ,MINORITY
ON MR. WOOD'S MOTION FOR POSTPONING THE GRANT
OF £40,009 FOR REPAIRS OF PUBLIC WORKS, COMPRIS..
ING THE KING'S BENCH, MARSHALSEA, AND FLEET
PRISONS, UNTIL AN ACCOUNT IN DETAIL SHALL BE
PRESENTED.
Bennet, Hon. H. G. Evans, William Ord, Wm.
Baring, Sir T. Farrand, R. Towlett, Hon. W.
Bright, Henry Griffith, J. W. Pym, F.
Boughey, Sir J. F. Gipps, G. Ricardo, D.
Barrett, S. B. M. Hume, J. Robarts, Colonel
Benett, John Hurst, R. Sefton, Earl of
Chetwynd, G. Jathes, W. • Smith, W.
Crespigny, Sir W. Moore, Peter Williams, —.uncannon, Visct. Monck, J.' B. Warre, J. A.
Dickinson, W. Newport, Sir J. Wood, T.