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London, England, 1813-06-23 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The House was summoned to the Howe of Peers to hear
the Royal Assent given to several Bills.---(For which .sce the
Lords.)
A Petition 'mos presented from the Inhabitants of Penzance,
complaining of the hawkers and pedlars sales by auction, 4,1
pm%logrebei.—Ordered to lie on the table.
. The Naval Pensions Bill was read a third time and" passed.
The Irish Arms Butt having been' rejected in the Lords for
some informality, a Petition nits presented, praviivr for leave
to bring in a new Bill, The Petition was referred to a pang•
mittee, the Report of Whiehrwas shortly after brought up by
Mr. Dugdale. It was favourable to the prayerof the Petition,
and leave was given to bring in the Bill.
The Irish Malt Doty Bill, and the Irish Distillery Bill, were
severally read a third time and passed. . •
Tile Report of the Poor Laws Bill Was talon into considera-
tion.
Sir T. Survcre objected to the principle of. the Bill, and
moved, as an Amendment, that the Ittport should be taheo
into consideration au that day three months.
after a discussion, in which Mr. G. Rose, Mr. Ser;e;tilt
Onstow, Mr. 11. Thornton, Mr. Kenrick, Mu. Thomp,,o,
Mr. Show, Mr. °pig, Mr. H. Simmer, and Mr. P. Meory pr-
tielpated, a division took place, when we oritlcrniood the mon-
bees were—r ' ,

For the Report
Against it,, ...

AB AO
Majority
Mr. Palmer's Per Centage Bill, after a few words from Mr.
Rose, was read a third time and paisetl.
The Militia Adjutants Bill, and the Militia Subalterns Bill,
were read a third time and passed.
Mr. W. EITZGEAALD brought u a Bill for amending NeVeral
Arts relating tattle Distillation of Spirits in Ireland. head
is lint, told ordered to be read a second time to-morrow.
IRISH BARRACK IMPARTMENT.
Mr. FREEMANTLA wished to call the attention.of
the House to the extent to which the exPetices
this department had been carried, with a view' to
Ilmit those abuses which he thought had crept in.
He did not bring forward tie subject for the pur-
pose of casting any reflection on the present Go-
vernment, but in order to introduce such reforms
as he thought desirable for the benefit of the
public. A practice had obtained of voting sums
for this service on account. This he thought a
very improper mode of granting any supply, and
he could not hut strongly object to it. Referring
tooa :liirio) anal:iretnertßTLl)er
ettlagpruel
attorhse
and ns2ej 25th December,
:BDrtstett:cl eisinobttbe):sß:9,eon
01 these, it appeared, from the returns, 133,7'29,
"re in England and Ireland, end the remain-
ing 167,161 vwx,vabratttl, In Talmud the Dar,

racks of various descriptions were capable br taws
mining 85,575 men, deducting 'llia number front
CSers 0
left England to r'rt
-,
t%{l,le.re elVa;nottc).Cl fornretnheattn ie, supposing };tracks
vide' for but between 30 arid 40,000 men, whiisi
iO, it
there were in this country Barracks capable of
receiving 170,0
lowances, &C.toenelle:rfoilte.
k 84:11 M 'IVO t
' at
g
n 0
England'lie e tPamounted to 43,0001, In Irela, nd, small as Was'
the establishment, compared with that of Eng•
land, it amounted to 30,394 He proceeded to
compare the expellees of the Barrack Departments,
in the two countries at some length. The rent
paid for temporary barracks amounted. to no less
than 50,0001. annually. The expences of build-
inns, repairs, &c. in 'lreland in this deptutment,
the, three years between' 1809 and 181 S, had
amounted' to 721,0001. ; while in England the.
charges on the same head were but 450,0001;
The- lodging-money paid annually in Ireland,'
amounted to 12,0001. while that paid on the same
head in. England, amounted to but 15,000/. The
aggregate of the whole expence'of Irish barracki
since the Union amounted to 4,59.1,774/, and to
this it appeared from the only doinnent produced
en the subject, might, be added time sum .of
1,261,000/. for ordnance since 1807, making the
whole sum voted by the British Parliament fin'
t=hat service, near 6,000,000/. He repeated, he
meant to throw no reflection on the Government fur:
the state in which the accounts were ; qit the con,
trary, he highly complimented t lie Right Ilon.Genti.
(Mr. Peel) for the efforts he had made Co bring
them up in a satisfactory manner. He entered
into the history of the establishment. The lir.=
rangements made by Lord Cornwallis he did not
censure ; but ire thought they %verdict longer such
as were beneficial to time country. Up to the
year 1797, it had been the practice of the Bars;
rack Board in Ireland to present annual accounts
of the appropriation of the sums voted by Parties'
Inca before new issues. Front the moment this
plan Was discontioned, the accounts got in ar-
um.; and in 1803, Lord Tyrowley appeared a
defaulter to the public to the amount'of 1,835,2341.
He should have expected measure's would haVe
been taken after this to reform the system, but
no new reguletions haul-been made up to the pre,:
sent- time. Lord Tyrawley's accounts had nut
yet been settled. They had been protested and
vouched, but remained to he audited. His Lord-
shipbad represented himself to be a defaulter to
the amount of 45,0001. instead of 1,835,904
The present system he pointedly censured, and
contended the Barrack • Department' of it eland
might to be assimilated to that of LaAjarl,
'tumid by the regulations suggested bythe Speaker
(when Chief Secretary for lre4itct)', in 1801. He
callicl on the Honse to exercise a proper Controtd.
over it, :idle thought it their stets' tolook into such
thint ata tenet; when the expetiditie•e of
g,e;seeesi edit.ststeatt s, It tutpl!ti Irf it Lb 01% verolia
ought tinit'alo this ;Thud- it tciey eq(crtrorit.e.v-
feet what they 'wished in caber ,parts, there ought.
to exist nodifliculty in 'controlling the public esta-
blishinents of the 'country.: He felt himself in
favour of a measure fOr connecting the Barrack
Depattnient of Ireland withlhat of England, anti
'not embodied this proposition. in a motion, think-
petting it nnder the same' controul ; but' he had,
iug•that. Would be to invade the prerogative of the
Crown. wished to move certain Resointio4,
declaratory of facts, an Adilress
to the
Prince Regent on the whole. Ile accordingly
moved certain Resolutions, embracing the princi-
pal points of 'his speech, and an Address to the
Prince.
On the first Itesolation being put from lie
Mr. PEEL requeSted the indulgence of the
House., While he shortly followed the Hon.' Gen-
tleman. Ile was surprised, after the speelt they
had just heard, in Which the Hon. Gentleman hid
'so severely censured the present system in Ire-
land, that he should conclude with a motion, in
which he (Mr. It. Peel) .could concur, namely,
that the Barrack. Estimates of Ireland should be
framed in the same manner as those of England.
The Hon. Gentleman had enumerated the charges
fin barracks in Ireland, and stated to the House
the number of men those barracks would contain,
but he had not suited; 85
.fre'pught to hare 41014,
that the permanent barracks were unoccupied, and
they were erecting to relieve the public from the
expellee of hired barraelis.. Time whole of the
► llon..Gentleman's speecb lie regarded but as an
argument in favour of permanent barracks. Many
of 'those buildings he enumerated which were
expected to.be tit to be occupied by the 'end Of
the present year. Ile then proceeded to. slew
tli it in conkparing the heads of expenditure, the
Gentlen a t had not taken a Correct. vim Of
the subieet, as items were COmprisedfrin the Irish
Barrack I',stimates which were not included in ti%e
English "The expense of salaries, etc. of b:irr.lUk
he said, were hut 32,000 i. in EnOiold,
while, on at scale so `much smaller, they amounted
to 25;000. in -Ireland. In. point of faq,,,,,b0t,‘,4%-;
eth'i'c, charge off that head he it;:..)(l,l‘l,iititho
r.l ice
but 7,0:',*-.2/. rind c"ti"gerYsti,9„(.l,tdl,oll the
the cOrreiTonding
,e!,dilirrted,
the,
int:scot
to the. amount stated. t.kt' Murropei"..
mode Of arraegiitg. ti!! et-/FP'
soffit', way as the
should 'co( in%i% (ld ill a in the
tent!
r but tins lie hut not
feeted it, in the present yea ,
been able to do. He hoped to do it in another
yt..•
sar With respect to the coMplaint of sums be-
,
tag granted on account for this service,,hestated,
that the last year the stint of 125,0001. had been
• la granted. The amount of the expenditure; how-
ever, had not exceeded 62,000/, and chits, a saving
of half the. grant haul been made. lie siuulkt
agree to
the ',notion, but could n9t....age 4.0 l',4°

reastmiirron -which it was grounded, which went
to sbe'v Oa- Iliriack Board was not under proper
caution! In the 'lrish Barrack Estimates, items
el e comnrked, which caused more than half the
totol charges which were not included in the
English Barrack Estimates. He thought it would
have been better if the Right Hon Gentleman
had 'mored for the. regulations in the Irish Bar-
rack Depfustment, before he ventured on the ge-
neral eensere in which he hand indulged. Had he
done this, he would have found that the matters
of w kb be complained bad been bog remedied,..
and that uothing could be more incorrect than to
charge the Government of 1813 with the errors
that of 1803. These remarks on the' speech of
the Right lion. Gentleman he apologised for trou-
bling the House wits, so much at length, as it was
not its intention to oppose time Jtesolutions.
Theseßesolutions were, after a few words from
Sir' .tiol a short reply from Mr.
FABENANTLE, agreed to.
1.44,1. A. .1.1Am.14..T0t1/41 rose to- move for the dis-
charge of Thomas ,Croggiin from Neiegate, to
which he had been committed by the House. He
founded his motion on four grounds :-Ist. Be-
cuuSe Croggsn bad not been called on for his de-
fence-2d. Because the House had gone beyond
the report of the Committee-3d. Because the
punishment (even supposing hint to be guilty,
which he did not believe him to be), hid been
sufficient, he havfng been severely treated, and
compelled to sleep with a condemned felon—and,
fourthly, because he ,could not, from the circum-
stance of his having indicted the witnesses against
Itim for perjury, approach the Ibuse in the usual
ray, by petition, acknowledging his guilt and
contrition. In the course of his address, the No-

ble Lord expatiated on the hardship.of this per-
-501118 case, and noticed the impression that might
be made on the public mind by seeing the great
escape from such. charges unvisited, while punish.:
meta so cruel fell upon offenders of lower rank.

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He concluded by moving for the discharge of
-roggan."
Mr. flumults seconded the motion, and referred
to the minutes of the Committee, to spew that

Groggan had been fOund guilty on the testimony
of perjured Wi(deSSeS. He also, animadverted, in
pointed terms, on the oppression and corruption
which prevailed in the Borough of Tregony.
•Mr. BANKES denied that sufficient ground had
been. shewn to induce the House to depart from
its accustomed usages. Croggan's Petition need
pot necessarily contain a confeision of his guilt,
bta a fair statement of his case would, if tette, in-
duce the House to accede to his Petition. Ile ob-

served, that it was singular if any person commit-
ted by the House were eondentneff to sleep with a
felon. Such a fact merited inquiry, as it was never
in their intention to expose 'those they punkhed
to this a.,:gravation of their affliction. He warmly
and indignantly repelled the insinuation of any
favour being sliewn to the high more than to the
low in the decisiuni of Parliament.
Loud A. HA'ikattox explained ; he had trot of-
fered, nochacilie mehnt to offer, any such insinu-
ation, bUt only adverted to what the public impres-
sion taiOt be.
Mr,liamin was in favour of the motion,
COlisegit:nlee flf the difficulty of a person in Crog
gran'S situation petitioning the House, and suffer-
ing the reprimand of the Speaker, when conscious
of innovenec.
Vl3. 11,4-rpq pcT oninefixeti 1 It:A- 'be nese%t!nn vans
Jo_ ,
..u.s the ruottuti Ut SUN), a
time would be to throw a dheet imputatiOr► upon
'OW of the House. He concluded by moving,
That the other Orders of the Day should be read.
I\lr. C. WYNNE referred to different parts of the
evidence, from which` he inferred that there never
tr#ia tin object of more unjust punishment than
Mr. Croggan ; he.htol, however' great objection
to agree to the motion of the Noble Lord. If
the motion' were worded otherwise, he. bhould
certainly support it ;. but *o the motion before the
ffotiSe he found it hitt duty to give a direct nega-
tive.

UV. STEPtittbi was against the motion,
Mr. &roma. WORT.LEY thought that some in.
was necessary into the circumstances which
led to the imprisonment of -Mr. Croggari.
Mr. COCUBANE jOIINSTONE read part of a letter
from Mr. croggou, in which he described his situ
atior. in Newgate as most wretched, being con-
fined on the Velons' side, in a cell with several
other men, some Of whom were under sentence of
cleAth. He stated in his letter, that he had been
fortunate enough to obtain leave to sled in the
bed with one of the men condemned to be.
hauged, Anti for this permission he was obliged to,
pay a considerable sum to the turnkey.
k.ord A, HA,b;.it.,ToN replied at some length.
Sir JAMES SHAW defended the conduct of the
Gabler of Newgitte. He said, that if the lion,
' Gentleman (Mr. C. Johnstone) would favour him
with a cOpy of the letter which he lead read, he
would entogre that an investhotion into the con-
(lna of the (gaoler towards (2,roggari should take

A Member, whose Willie we could not learn,
froolie favour of the character of the Gaoler of

Mr. CANNING, (464PEL1., and Lord A.
P A 1,4 iti aid u reW Words ; after which the
Buts e divided, on the motion fur the reading of
the Orders of the Day
Ayes .

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011 our rc-adn►issiau into the gallery, n Select
Committee was appointed to inquire i►tto the eir-
cuno•tances attending the imprisonment of Thomas