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ge lodge should be liable to be tried by a court-
Notwithstanding this command of his Majesty; his
"'lel Highness the Duke of Cumberland hacl at it seemed to
hAirft..! equal:ly set at defiance the orders d the King and the
nedrese of that House (oCheert.) It would be his object
• to se.,_ . . .---
his e w more immediately, efore he sat down, the ends which
k dit°Ylll. Highness had in view in pursuing this course 1
, n this he should endeavour to show from documeete which
;,a 4 come into his possession. In consequence of Colonel
, Tartu }having refused to furnish the committee with the
wtraireeee they required, and having avoided the Speaker's
rant, and having thus evaded the production of .the do-
cuments which were pare
to be, and which he (Mr. flume)
really believed to hare been, in his possession, of a very
ladserious and important nature, papers had been put into his
s purporting to be documents connected with Orange
°a _,gesges, which would show the manner in which those
' had been conducted, and the mode in which their ro-
ceedings had been carried on, besides preying attempts topor.
ga.nize troops to carry into effect their objects, whateree.they
might be. It was his intention to bring the question of Orange
oedgesfully
and completely before the House ; it would be
,r them to decide, whether they would submit to have their
',3oletions and the King's orders set at nought by the man at
t,e head of the army, who ought to have set a better ex-
areple, and to have better remembered what was due to his
station, his allegiance, and his name.--( Hear, hear.) The
Duke of Gordori, had, in the end, acted very properly. It
a,PPeared that he had no idea of, or at any rate had forgotten,
the existence of the general orders ef 1822 and 1829, which
were entered in his regimental
eltrsed. his
Resat in leooks, and which every ser-
corps had ate opportunity of perusing, if he
Iva
heention until the isseiag
They appeaterl, however, not to have attracted his
of the order of the 31st of August,
berliale: Grand 1 "edge was held, at which the Duke of Cum-
! t e• Presi'led. He had been informed, within the last
wenty c
'''')ur hours, that, in spite of all the orders of the Com-
11°,1ander-In-chief, ihe Duke' of Cumberland had presided, no
ee, ger Vince than Thursday last, at an Orange Lodge in Port-
jrPtlnere. It was proved, too, that his Royal Highness,
th "ing his Majesty's commission, not content with disobeying
e e Orders of the Commander-in-Chief, had received and
faseered an address from a Grand Orange Lodge at Long-
e°7ll. He (Mr. flume) held that answer—which had been
enished_in his hand, and in it he assured all Orange.
"i'len that they might depend upon him ; that nothing should
uhfll'iPee him to desert the cause of Orangeism ; that nothing,
ect, should induce him to withdraw from that association,
l les
11, brother, the sovereign of this country, had declared
to Bier Sol Should attend without rendering himself amenable
(lakcoert-martial. This was not the time to tell that House,
ir !"0 country, that the Duke of Cumberland receives no in-
'deal
alio , pay. He had received honour, bo was a Field Mar-
ti , ne stood on the moilar sof Engand; and he hoped that
, °°3e would not allow h to act in utter disregard of its ex-
, ere •
e sslon of opinion, and the eiders of his Majesty. He would
g-°lll,' now to the p7oceedings which had taken place since he
to brought tly.l. subject under the notice of the House, and
ke the
present State of the question. At the time of his
e4a,',g, tke motion of the 11th of August, which the House
laid Pv-Ased to support, one folio volume of evidence had been
to ;e'en the table. Hon. Gentlemen who had paid attention
thil_,e subject, would find that the second volume contained the
ber:u report of the committee at large, and another had since
V j,,n. laid on the table of the House. Every page of these
ine,,,"ales seemed to him to contain matter of the most serious
1-14"„eilancel and well worthy the grave consideration of the
of ..Se'--(Hcar.) After the 11th of August, in consequence
or information he had received respecting the extent .of
eleanegeiste in England and Scotland, the accuracy of which
(1- eenied by the Duke of Cumberland, and also by the
it fnraander-in-chief he was induced to submit to the House
yes ti for inquiry. That inquiry was accorded; and its
voluells had also been laid before the House in another portly
tee ;1;e. These three volumes were now lying an the table of
tee, 'louse, and he begged their attention once for all to the
14311 that nineteen-twentieth! of the evidence contained in them
fee either produced by officers of the institution, or collected
othill_ eetisting documents. The portion of evidence taken from
tonfr Individuals was extremely small, and looking to the n.a-
-1 tes' of the great majority of it, there could be little of cavil,
thePeti,tee, nr denial. The Hon. Member for Kilkenny had stated,
I tert;eoer evening, that the impartiality of the evidence and the
be Ns of the Committee had been arraigned. On what
eqund, or on what principle, he (Mr. Hume) was at a loss to
op er:stande perhaps he should hear from Hon. Gentlemen
le Pis`te. With regard to the Committee on Orange Lodges
cressgland, he had heard no doubt of its impartiality or fait:
1, expressed ; and he begged the House particularly to o
io es that the documents in the appendix were in the first
%I, ?ce prepared by the Secretary to the Grand Lodge,l and
e,enitted to the Grand Master, before they were final y de-
'cl d 0
110 e 'I. By the resolutions which had just been read, the
l Ilse had affirmed the existence of upwards of 1,500 lodges
tato .r elands and 350 in England—institutions of an exclusive
!I:iere from which Catholics were carefully excluded,. and
neh 'were enrolled for the avowed object of cpposing their
111° d• An observation which fell from the Hon. and. Learned
111;4er for the University of Dublin, a few nights since, had
etiuc a great impression on his mind. In the last sentence
raiered by the Hon. Gentleman on the occasion to which he
kerred, he said that Catholics were the natural enemies of
estants.
fir. FREDERICK SHAW—No, no.—(Cries of " Yes,
M,,_ from the Ministerial benches.)
e. HUME—He certainly had understood the Hon. and
arned Gentleman so ;
it would appear by all the proceedings
Of
oste Protestant party in Ireland that they thought so too,
stitejutdotibtedly. It had been further declared that the con-
-4111,1°11 ?I' these societies was illegal, at any rate that they
siathpnin. the provisions of the Corresponding Act, con-
ttalstaet l'" it did, of a vast number of minor branches .in
1/11ttees, correspondence with a central board, and receiving
or ill e"113 and orders from it. The question of the legality
,liter ;Rant)* of these bodies, he (Mr. Hume) would not
,liter
'l4° ; he would leave it to his Hon. Friend the Mem-
-lioe,°r C°6lWall who would most probably second the mo-
boas a„l(l,address himself to other parts of the subject. It
y --"F °,,tently proied that there were in existence a large
' Nltl°o-„ `-', rangemen, amounting, according to their own cal-
' 'N. —"0 20,000 men in Ireland, and 100,000 men in Eng.-
ti• not Whetherthis was a correct estimate of their numbers
kicie' it was not for him to decide, but as nearly as he could
tf Orate, taking the medium between the varying statements
14 I llngenlen themselves he should say that their numbers
leeretand were from 15'0 000 to 220,000.—(Hear, hear.)
l'ede/ih°llsted that it was in their power to call forth large
'atile-e'cleeted from this great mass ; for proof that they
:atree° so, he need only refer to one instance which oc-
:tliiii.,lll 1834, when 75,000 men were assembled at. one time
'kert,h.l"rough ; and cases were constantly occurring of the
,7 te:'„age of 10,000, 20,000, or 30,000 men, at the summons
),,Itt 8,,- \s, rand Master of the district. Could any man doubt
17 lleqenti institutions called imperatively for the interference
°Pt% 'louse, more especially when he reflected on the mt-
sittleate and distressed situation of Ireland? Were these in-,
ti4lltl ci° l' so to be borne, when. the people of Ireland, dissatisfied'
9 the la vented, were driven to desperation,
.and urged to
No (Il law, and to take their redress into their own hands?
mreer",r, hear Orange lodges alone had not created the
:kilf 41. etqld.ia in bich the Irish people were plunged, he
,atlwpPererfectlyi wnell; wbut they had done much to aggravate
j":an eo Pleteate their miseries and misfortunes, no reasonable
;ghthstlol doubt that in a country like. Ireland, where seven-
,so ethe population were Catholics, and where they had
I: opie.e'uag labouring under. Prote.stant ascendancy,
mustand
le ategt. ss'en of a denial of civil rights, the
.peopleH
a„rated by the existence of such bodies.—( ear,
Ice d tee found that in the year 1811, Orange lodges
Noel ?scribed by Judge Fletcher, in his charge to the
Z-",,4, id,111.0:, as a serious evil to Ireland. He told them
1.41'4;1'8 opinion, they had fomented much of the diuse-
doiteeistreat
.existed ; that they tended to preventiusort theto
rden_
pj,l', te, ten of justice ; that they tended, h
,410 t,
th Catholics discontented and dissatisfied,.' and to
1,,,e0t 0, country into the state in which it was at the
el mal not his addressing them.---( Hear, hear, hear.) He
ftlll j 4 taster think it must be matter of deep regret to every
nre lei , House, who had watched the progress of Ireland
01:rotite,4 o the present' day,
.that the Right Hon. Baronet
ied Res of ee every successive
.Administration, with the
eieeice.,. Judges before them, with breaches of the peace
d
el,`a tee-'l°na of the law daily and hourly recurring, an.
c their
B,shouldexcesses of Orangernen constantly
,befor s _
Ne
Anti to have allowed these mischievous and illegal nsdo
ote '41'41 continue in existence.—( Hear, hear.) But, in e-
,tralelsl the mischievous effects which resulted from the
neonlergiet tier' and correspondence of Orange lodges, let it not
pr le ten that they were armed—(Hear)—and that blood
t4,;p4bliently
the'eteZeci had been shed in consequence of these men being
prepared—if he might use the term—to disturb
tik4',t arnl3 Pace, to concentrate their numbers, to concentrate
lta alst the' and to commit any act of vengeance or violence
I),:ein tiCatholics.__( Hear.) Could any man doubt—d
teen tote P acts of aggression--ay, the murders—which had
tli-gthem.lll,ltted by the Or n ar in Ireland, that the 1049---.. e ii
a ge
disarmed h dangerous ho-
-..•
snnuld long ago have t ese
elee A ear. ) Well -did lie recollect what passed in that
ktij tllair en the Right Ilonourable Gentleman who now filled
th:o, br:‘,_ncl the Right Honourable Member for Montgomery-
kei
~Y ebal,u_ght forward the question of Orange lodges, whenh)
teesa 01,enged them as detrimental to the peace. and at -
th:_t4 of tetn,e country, and brought before Parliament. the
ne
of 'l..ir
.existence—of their making use of secret signs
tem Peonibeir being banded together, in opposition to
tr,p, that'•---( Hear, hear. ) Well did he recollect the
at,' that n 0 such things existed, that it was mere rumour,
Thy Stith Mauch s
00 ~ lon ~‘. _ tslIL and unfounded reports were unworthy. the
eetne taee" Parliament.—( Hear, hear.) The evidence now
tins tlet4,;le proved beyond denial that such a state of thing
s
h,,',4stro,:"Y
_exist ; that from it the most lamentable, the most
11th)
".,e,,t_lie most deplorable results, had ensued.--( Hear,
k41:1, and. he existence of Orange Lodges gave rise to
cciLQ
allie.odees
n e ; the existence of either was fatal to the
had seism quiet of any country. Lie could show that as
w„(1130411,.1,ad spread in Scotland, the peace of the country
e'rlild seo dad spread in Scotland, the peace of the country
d shon- slurbed, and the blood of its people shed. He
41,_,1 e,tuetiwa. that this had been occasioned by the introduction
,l't pro of a)n of Orangeism, under the fostering influence
qtelaed ction of the grand lodge and grand master in
ti,Qanefene In Airdrie, on the Ist of July, a large body of
ter -.'ateciit,l. bat.l assembled and committed violence against
b 'kfiti„ le3o and insulted their religion. What was the
alll'ltiArd,-n:r. Why, that on the 15th of th_e. same month, o rear 1 10,000 Catholics assembled on Ulasgow-green,
itlarpteeire led, from thence to Airdrie in order to be revenged
assaila
Oil Year, the nte. At about the same period of the follow-
r, eCtea
theiratholics assembled, made their arrangements,
l'iir:nidat,"ief! numbers, and, in their own defence, raised a
edt Preeedineice to prevent a repetition of the outrages of
ex ed from, g Year. Who could tell vvhat might have re-
Rereellete b_, aa eenflict between two such bodies, but for the
at e mete) yiour of the townspeople ? Who could Theexag-
evideeneevils which such scenes must always produce ?
0 proved that in Ireland, when Orange processions
iird;„......,