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POOR LAWS.

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Mr. ,WittritattAb moved, that the Parigh School
iiU be now tee d. a second time.
Mr. DAytus Glopy mowed, as an Amendment,
that, in place, of the word " now," be inserted,
" qay three tnouths."
• Mr. Moaats disapproved of the local manner of
hying; the Poor Rates; and said that he should sup-
port toe Amendment.
ELLtsox
.surpo•tod,this atpendment, on the
ground tit:it the op4rai,on of the silk, would be to
Li\ the landed. intereg for the purposes had in
view, and that if, the e'uation of the poor were
to be taken up as'a national ob.ita, the expellee
ought to be defrayed out of the general funds of the
country. . .

Air: STURSES BrarizNE wished the_ plpn to stlod

iroperedueati4n should be gi-ven to the poor. 1T,,1
thenglit the.titst provision i.Vould he, to charge
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expence upon rvile Poors' Rite, in proportii,ti 10
wants, and The powers and the wishes of the Pal; H.;
rattler r/;'2l.n. make,the matter the suhje.l of a gencral
unlisthianishilig compulsory charge. —He dWelt
very feeliiv,ly upon the cruelties practised upon
Parish Apprentices, which, were to be imputed prin-
cipalry to the compulsory nature of the obligation to
take them. '

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Sir SAstutt Romit.tAr argued strongly thlt the
should go into a Committee; though he did not
COntelia that it should be finally passed before the
mkt session. The education of the poor .‘•cittlkl
t Illeness of thepoor, and consequently the
pOors' rAte. __ _

Mr. itOSA: wished the Bill to go.into a Committee,
to try if it could be made more perfca. He thougk
it desirable to teach the-poor to read ; of 'the
,expe,
diency of teaching them to'write he doubted ;.
than that, he was sure Would put .them beyond
their situations, and wOuld'therefore be injurious.
Mr. LUSIIINGTMN recommended education es
the best foundation of religion, morality, ;and in-
dustry._ ~

Mr. DuNnAs concurred in `the principle of edit•
eating the poor. in Scotland the parents of the
children paid a rate tiked by the Magistrates, in aid
of the parochial allowance, to the Schoolmaster. The
parochial allowante Was defrayed by an assessment
on the land.

Mr: Sumps/. thought no good could be done by
going into a CoMmittee.
Leird MILTON spoke in favour of the Bill, which
he wished to he expedited by all possible sne.ins.
Mr. ulogro T:thong:,t indiscriminate educe,:
Lion inexpedient, as tending to contihmd !!1 ranks
of people.
Mr. TP7II7IIRE4D returned his Itcknowlet-
ments for the spirit of candour with which 6)4
'nwasure had been treated hi all parts of the House.
fle thought it his duty, after all the mention he
had given to the
.suitjeci, and all thc... pains ho had
taken 'to put the House and ihe Public in possession
of the *result of his labours, to press J.Ol a iletision
this Session, at least upon the great principle,
Whether or not education was a source of indus-
try, virtue, and prosperity, and whether a sys-
tem of general educatiim ought to be adopted
in this country. If this cowitry continued great
:and prosperous, as he hoped it would, a system
of general education would soon be discerned
to bo of the u.most importance, and would,
of course, be adopted. If good education was not
substituted, mischievous and wickededucati. in would
prevail, to the 0-eat increase of the public burthens,
and the great depravation of public morals. It. was
for the principle of a national education that he con-
tended. , If the principle should, be adopted, he
would be ready to agree to every advisable modid-
cat ion.

1111 the Members who had spoken on the nuestion
explained.
The Marquis of TITCIIPIELD tholight much be-
nefit would result from. general education, but said
that benefit 'may cost too dear, Hu wished therekire
for some infertnation al to the probable expellee.
Mr. WkwraagAD COUld not say how Lir. the pa-
rishes may be proviled with, or .be. destitute of
buildings; that may inswer for School;. In many
parishes it would not be necessary to expend a. shil-
ling on -that .aceount. Schoolmasters may Dc provided
at a very cheap rate.

The ULM CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
wished the 4i1,1 to go into a Committee, with a view
to the utmost fairness of consideration. It was the
wish, 'unquestionably, of every one in, the House to
render the lower classes of the community better and
happier. He feared, however, that the kind 'of
education here proposed, though it may give learn-.
ing, would not contribute much to dithtso industry,
religion, or Morality. lielemrcld a general Legisla-
tive Establishment would injure and destroy the ve.,
'wavy establishments for public education now ex-
isting. He recommended a Comtnissiou of Inquiry,
to ascertain the state of the charitable foundations
prosecutlng
tbr public education already established'. A Com-
ilinndlrwelaal:;:ta,44wai(tititoot any salary to the
mimi-
ininstittiliGvnnei:t.tslittinissl), and With . ifut ;,:mac.. tz*W•
When such a Commission should have ascertained
whathad been already done, it would be time enough
to inquire what further may tie dune. He defended
the principle of the Pour Laws. However the sys-
tem may be abused; as every •large system must be
liable to abuse, it was a proud. characteristic of the
nation, that charity was incorporanfd into the 'Le-
gislature. The poor of, this country had consequently
an interment the maimenunce of its constitution and
independence, which the people of no oilier COW! ry
kid. He said the education proposed wotild dis-
qualify tho persons possessing tram ttie most
Attieful description of labour. Tue
tllakers were mentioned as a class universally edu-
c..tifrdt The et ample strengthened his argument—
for he never knew of an Agriculthral. Quaker. fie
wished the Bill to be made as perfect as possible,
though be did not think it advisable ultimately to
adopt it,, and without a prospect of ultimate adop-
tion, it would perhaps be useless labour to improve
the plan.

Mr•. SkiA.w LEFevitg was for going into the Com-
mitte;t. But in the Committee it would be desirable
to incorporate other plans, - •

in favour of the trea-
surSei:atrituNokzwZelalTsioltria4to speak strongly against
the inefficacy and inexpediency of punishing forgery
with death.

The Gallery was cleared for a division on the queh-
,
tion of the second reading ; but the Bill was read a
second time without dividing.
Sir T. TORTONI` spoke. in favour of going into the
Committee, but he thought compulsory educatioit
unacivisablty when voluntary education was every
where establishing itself sucxtensively.
Mr. spdEnN thought it would be lost time to
into a Committee on a.lllll to which theliouse t as
adverse. He recommended to withdraw t
.111.1,
and brMg in another Ma more acceptable form. .
Mr. Rosa spoke to the same etre&t.
STANHOPE thought the measure would be
extremely expensive and inefficacious; and in many
instances 'wholly inipreflicable. He highly apprtwed
Q 1 the part .4)1 the Hon. Gentleman's general plea
which went to equalise tile county rate, acid was
sorry it had been lost sight of.

I:orti Psrr tbous;iit it .would be mostrandid
iii'tl wbe: were advstss to to tnir.

5.m,,a of tlfe'T-Touse,nt preent-, He was of opinion,
;here ought tb be a national education, though
s.kninlwas not made np as to how the Orinciple,
ti bt to bn.moditied; ',That was Matter ibr further
03O;i4.!.erinion, 'and therefore he voted'for going into

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‘...".ornmittco. :
CIIANC4LLOit of the Ex CliEo-UElt brought up
.111'for enabling hi Alajesty to appoint the Chaai-
of the Exchequer for the time being for Ire-
t:>>, a Lord of the Treasury in Great Britain, with-
,,; !..Entry. Read a first time ; to be read a second
to-morrow. . •
Th,: }louse; in a Committee of Supply, voted the
otimtance of the expiring Duties on Salt, Paper,
'f.! he Report ordered to be received.to-morrow.
Tho House, in a Committee on the London Port
,ot.A.%clati,oool.' for ereaing a building for the
,:contina,ation of Bevenno Officers, and a Barrack
'froops at the Vest India D0ck5...71%e Report
received on 'P.., 11 rkkiy.
The East India Company's Bill was read, a se;
time, and ordered to be,committed on l'hurs-

Lie Members' of Parliament P,quitSP Bill was read
tittle, and ordered to be committed to-

Ji~~~l':tlq'.

he Traders' Assets 13111 was read a third time and.
pas d,
Mr. Husaissoti gave notice of a Motion for he
:ypropriation of the War Taxes, to be brought.for-
..%ard in the committee of Supply on Wednesday.
Mr.
,Mit.t.Lts.n presented Petitieto,frorn the Intut-
t;uts of St. Sepulchre, and St. James, Clerken well,
t.it, Direc;ors of the Poor .of St. Pancras, the Vestry of
t. Paul, COveut Garden, the Inhabitants of Saffron-
St. Gile3's, St.' George in the East, &A:. against
the Parochial Schools I3ili. :lhe 'Petitions were re-
ferred •to the COLllo.l4tee ()I) tlie 13111.—Adjourned.

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TUESDAT, JUL? 14, 1i,67

Government. thi,s morning received Dif.patchei
fatm Ma anti also from Alexandria; the latter
dAtrd tli. fith At that lime-our tro6f)l
r twined in that Ctiy, and had' not been attacked
by the Entry. Our loss in the LA engagejnent
coltsitited of about 7hct men, chiefly of the VALI,