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any point where its se.rvices might be required, was
a mode of annoyance to the enemy Most rtittahle to
the actuation
,of the country. lint the Hon:Gentle-
Man did not see how so small a corps could- do any
service. The filet was, that a much smaller corps
had crone very essential service. General Spencer,
with less than 5000 men had driven back from Cadiz
to Ayamoute, in their advance to Seville, a part of
Junoi's-army, tedoced the power of the French in
Andalusia, and had accelerated the defeat of Dupont.
With respect to the aqiiciency of cavalry, had it
not been for an accident, Sir Arthur Wellesley would
have gone less equipped in that respea than he
did go, for he (Lord Castlereagh) did not con—
ceive cavalry neCcssaty on !inch a servite. - Had it.
not been that a part of the 20th dragoons was, in the
Mediterranean, which induced Government to'setid
'the remainder front hence, that body of cavalry
.would not have gone. He denied, however, most
strongly, that the want of Cavalry could influence
. the decision of. the General Officers in the Conven-
tion of China, and *protested against the; principle
that the British army were not to ad when the Ca- ,
ialry attached to them was unequal to that of the
enemy. Such rt.principle would have blotted out of
the English annals the Battle of Alexandria, where.
Sir Ralph Abercrombie had but 150. Dragoons to
(lpase to above 20no hostile edvalry. At 1%46, •
Sir John Stewart had no catalry at all. If such a
principle as that advanced by the Honotirable Gtm-
tletnan were to guile the Councils of the Country;
it would be most fatal. It was certainly fair .for the
OfficerS to say that the absence of Cavalry deprived,.
them of availing themselves so completely of their.
advautagc'ns they might otherwise have done. On
the 2)st, when the Fiench 'army were routed; in a
manner in which it had never before been rooted,
had the British possessed Caplry, it might certainly
have been 'annihilated.. But it was not: the absence
of Cavalry which prevented Sir Arthur Wellesley-
finin Irving all the" advantages to which his shill:
and galhotry had entitled him. The House would
recollea the impatience of the COUritry at that period;:
althotigh he certainly did not mean to say that 1114 •
impatience ought in any way to be 'unwisely grnti,
fled, yet Having understood that 5000 men would be
sufficienttbr the purposes of the expedition,
ters.unquestionably exercised a sound discretion in
sending without delay a force that appeared to them
to be much more Chaniadequate to the objedin
view. m

Mr. WHITBREAD went over neatly all the argu-
'Penis adduced by Mr, Porisonby. • • • -
111 t. Secretary CANNING, in reply, remarked that
the lion. Gentleman, in the same breath in which he
told the Hatisethat the present crisis' ought to be
cultarly exempt from political
,feeling, intimated 'that'
11tinistera should be put upon their trial, and that
they, prdbably ,deserved condign punishment. • For
his part he was not. aware that this was the light in
which he and his coadjetors stood. Certainly his -Ma-'
jesty's Nltoisteri stood in a situation of responsibility,
but not one of, culpaUility... They had done their
ditty in following up .the feelings of the Country, and
in using the, means intrusted to them in Support of
that peat cause which bad excited those feelings ;`•
if there shOtlld be a failnre, that failure would pot be
the result of accidental or intentional omission on
their part ; _that the Hon. Gentleman had shewtr
that he'aed his friends had pbt agreed on the prin-
ciple of thew accusation: He had beard only two
of the Committee, of Aecusers, and 'he confessed,
,that' if before the.rising of Parliament he had had
time advantage of hearing the opinion of those two,
and of reading the Pamphlet attributed to one of
them, instead of an increase of light, lie should have
experienced an increase of perplexity. The Hon,
Gentleman, who had just spoken, echoing his Oita-
lished opinion, (it it attually wits his, of which he
'sometimes doubted), seemed to consider. the course
to be pur4ted by' Goys:mmolC so plain that they:
could searcelv do ill by piing wrong. The oilier
Hon. Gentleman, on the contrary, appeared to think.
• that ,no step ought to be taken :wikholit the Most ma-
tnre deliberation ; that whatever was done in, haste
miust, be done erroneoUsly, and that it was the duty
of Ministers to hesitate, ana resist the impulse' of
popular feeling, as, unequivocally and consentaneously
expressed. •Were he to .decide between the two;
the Hon. Gentleman Who spoke last would have his.
'Concurrence; but the other Honourable Gentleman
was nut wholly unreasopable,' when he stated, that
Whatever mighthe the
.principle of action, the mode
in which that aft ion should be concluded, so as to
Conduce most eifettually to the desired 'objedt, de-
.nianded mature consideration. That Hon. Gentle-.
man told the House ,that he millet:led all his faets
from the Newspapers. Now the. truth might be,.
and he believed was, that from the Newspapers he.
derived his arguments; where the Hon. Gentleman
got his faflit he knew not. Of this he waf certain,,
. that for the, last three weeks he had read in the News-
papers the argunients urged by the Hon. Gentleman,
and that too tit ihe order in which they Wereentiiley-
ed by him. In his l'ae.is the Honottrablt: Gentle-
man Was very unfortunate. He statedi.;: that-on
the 31st of July, what he called the' Supreme
:Central Junta had issued preCaut ions which Conveyed
an admirable lesson of the tactics advisittmlo hiSFaiu ;
yet, and by a st range' perversity or judgment, his Ma-
jetty's Minitters communicated nut with. the Su-
Prothro Centraljunta, but with the Provincial Junta,
at Was the Hun. Gentleman now to be
told,' for the first time, that he,Central Alma was not.
eatablished inJdly, nor until near October ? There
Were two JUtitai that of Gallicia, and that of Sc.
The 1-Ton. Gentleman's fallacious infotmation
b 51.16 this, that rejeaing any intercourse with
t ide 6.'allician Junta / would have consulted
► that
.of Seville, though; et a much . greater dis 7
lance.), of only equal authority,. and ~placed in
it, situation Whence, if an Expedition !tad gone
;hither, it cold not easily 'have returned. if time
-Honourable Gentleman thought that fhe Sevillian-
juuta %4;as, superior tot hat Of Gallicia,he was deceived;'
tbate was no preponderance emir the elt'liou Ott :the;
Supreme junta, which tuck 'place in the lastwiaet
ofSeptember. But' tile Hon, Gentlemen was valn.
able in his mistakes; they involved, the principle k•
(.11 which his MajestY%; Ministers had acted. The'
first principle Was this: when thy Whole of the Spa.;
11,1) nation rose simufeineously,, and with a concert
appeared almost mutt aulous, 'the consequence
W;is.the ete:3ion of,various local authotilies;:
titilt,nOWledging no head; je:douS, watchful,'und ex
kit only saspieleini ()Irony attempt ctta. the. part of
:'obtain an aseeedency, over the rest...-.;
first pet-swig, apvtication made to the Qoecrik.

ment of this country was from Asturias, the second
from Gallicia' the third from Seville. From the
various oilier Juntas letters only were received. Here
was the difficulty. His Majesty's Ministers could
not say, we will not furnish you with assistance until
you are united, because that would have been put-
ting on British assistance-a price that the Spaniards
were not disposed tp pay. Besides, before that
union could be effeeed,.without British assistance
the advance of the enemy would have -destroyed all
hope of it. It would not have been wise or justi...
fiable to give exclusive confidence to any one of
these bodies. On the other hand, each was de,
siroot of drawing to itself the largest portion of our
aid, and the physical means of the country were not
sufficient to afford the sniipiy that would' thus have
been demanded front .it. Every disposition had
.been shewu to furnish all the juntas with money,
with arms, and every means of military support
but it was not deemed advisable to send out an armed
• force in aid of the separate efforts of the respetlive
• Juntas. The .policy was obvious of not hazarding a
British army in Spain until the force of the country
should -have been called forth and organized in
such a manner as to cooperate H ith it, became
there could be no other chance for the security
of such an army from the danger of being oser-•
whelmed by the superior. •numbers and strength of
the enemy. It was from this source •that all the mis-
representations had arisen, which had constantly ap-
peared in the public Prints, from which the Right
Honourable Gentleman had taken all his argu-
ments upon the subjeerof the-demand of Cavalry
by Spain. Unquestionably the Juntas of Gallicia
and Asfiirias had applied for reinforcethents of Bri-
fish cavalry ; but the answer that had beett reunited
was, that a British army would be sent to their sUp-
port, but that it was intended that it Arnold ad in
mass, .and under a British COnithander, It was not
thought advisable to send a small detached tie cc. of
cavalry, to eke out the army of Blake, or of Criesta,
but to send to them that which " not enriched.
them, and might make us poor indeed." An army
was to be sent to their assistance. when they.should
have opened a theatre for it to 0. in. Was it any
thing disheartening or discouraginer to the Spaniards,
to tell them, that when they should have called 'forth-
' their. own forces,. or established some general 'system
of 'government, they., -should have the. support of
• A British army ? From this circumstance 'also
had arisen the various this-statements respecting the.
delay of the advance of the British army from Por-
tugal, as if that had arisen' out of the circum-
stances of the Convention. The fact was, however,
that. the Supreme Central Junta had not been
stalled till the last week in September, and as soon
,as intelligence bad been received of that event in this
Country, the• Expedition under Sir David Baird had
been ordered to sail, and a communication made
thereof to the Junta of Gallicia, and the Supreme
Junta, • requesting do order for permitting the troops
to land in Gallicia. -This communication had been
( made in the week in which the change of Govern-
ment had taken place, anti to that circumstance was
owing the Inlay of ten and
in the transmission of,
the order, Which • had been made the ground of so
much accusation here.- But if Government had wait-
ed fill the answere to This communicetion, and a foul
wind which woold be favourable for its arrival, bet
unfavourablii to the sailing of the Flapedition, should
:in the mean time spring up to delay the progrefot of ,
the Expedition, then indeed would there have heen
serious ground of charge against his Majesty's Go-
vernment. 'What animated declamation, or rather
what 'an imatedlnotations, would not the Right Hen,
Gentleman have produced to the House, if tlte.
Newspapers bad taken up, as they certainly would
'have taken up, the discussion. It Was then untie-
.oessary. for Novi° go into a greater length of de-
, tail, as the question' would again come under the
consideration of the House ;
.but he could not
•ovoid .touching woe these points, in addition to
'what had •fallee. from his Noble Friend, and in
order to skew that • every change of wind liad
.not
'produced a change of councils, and t het if the cause
should unfortunately not terminate as all 'good inert
wished, it was not the fault of England. The cause
Wait in :that hand in which rested the.stecision of
every thing in the progress of human lanai* and
however it may plettse Providence to dispose of it in
the end, it was desirable to know that no human
means had been omitted to -promote a prosperous
issue. The Right Honourable Gentleman had said,
•that in affording assistance to the' Spaniard.i, we
should hove. met Buoriaparte upon his owls terms,
but he .could not agree in that opinion, be-
cause he could not think it right to, rule the
country, we should go to assist as a dictator.--
Though we were blessed with a Constitution justly
dear to us from the inestimable rights it conferred
uponus,• we were not therefore'to hold cheap the
;institutions of other nations, because they had not
yet ripened into that maturity of franchise and free-
dom which we enjoyed,•ncither should we convert an
auxiliary army into a domineering ,garrison, nor,
whilst openly professing to assist the Spaniards, co-
Tveriiy to endeavour to impose upon them those bles-
sings of which they .:triust themselves' be the best
pdges..shi the last Session they had all appeared to be
agreed, that, in any event, Indeed, in the case of the
success (if Spain, it was not of any'consequence,
they should snake it iinpOSSible to be supposed that
the assistance of this country was given with
any sioister view. He' . had no doubt, if they
should succeed, that the Spaniards would certainly
happier, and he_ trusted freer. than they had hitherto
• been ; be; that' happiness and freedom should be of
their own choice, and .not of, our dialation. By 'a
Proclamation. issued by the Supreme Junta, on
the day jitter their installation, • calling upon ell
literary men to contribute • their assistance 'with*
Tespect to the • beit laws to be enacted for the
.benefit of the. State, it appeared 'that the 'Central-
,. Junta. was not indifferent to the amelioration
of their Constitution.
.Bot, if the ;suggestion of
thesepod laws was. to accompany, or be corn- -
plied with,. a subsidy, be doubted much who-
.ther it would meet, with consent, but sure
the
Spoiltit:ti-aradisiiocobualydoinleott, u4t
tcs ikiee
'lialew:dai:tiattehdatat
tinestitm respcittug the military principle, whether
me, Eaud.ing ought IQ ittive been made in' Spain or
Portugalk s he, should only, say, that it amounted to
11n4, whether, as the Central Junta had nut/been
established till September, it was prudent or politic
to wait lifts July aid September before the exlieut •
lion should have-been sent 'though .his tapinion
could tic n.Q, a,.tatbority ti eon the subjco, Ins (:vovic-

Lion was upon the pure mili'ary-consideration of the
case, that the course adoptc..? was most expedient.---,
If he hoked to Portugal, and considered that coun-
try and Spain as one- and the same, he would be
convinced that the Tagus and not Saint "Ander*.
was the point to which the British army should
have been sent ' others May be more bold and en-
terprising in their plans, as well as have the ability
to carry them into execution ; and if the Right Hon.
Gentleman should look to the authorities from which
he had drawn his arguments, he would find a very
bold plan of operations bad been lately auggeo-
ed, no less that) to hand a British force, • nor
at Bilboa, and to march direely to besiege Pam.
peluna. If the Right Hon. Gentleman should ap-
prove of 'this plan he was sure be would nat
have any other support, tor their opinion .
this Country, than the file of the Newspaper
in which it appeared. Another fault in the.
conduet of his Majestyrs Government
,towards
Spain had been pointed out by the Honnurohle ,
Gentleman who. spoke last, and who considered
the Treaty with Spain as unnecessary and super..
fitious,• though the Right Hon. Gentleman, wins.
spwke earlier in the Debate, had.stated that .erlfte•
merits were as binding as treaties.. With the Wet .
•opinion he was more inclined to agree. But it woilt
be recelleaed, that in the last Session the whole
House was agreed, that every effort should be made-
in support of Spain, and every necessary engage-
ment entered into for that purpose. The Right
Honourable Gentleman had expressed an interest ill
the *state of another country, Turkey, upon which,
unfortunately, he bad no opportunity of comrnuni•
stating any information., He could only say, that
in April last .an overture was received froth the:'-',
Turkish Government, inviting us to asrenewal of the ":
negociation, upon which instruetions had been atilt -; •
out to a diplomatic Gentleman, Mr. Adair, then in
the IVlediterranean, to proceed to Constantinople,----:,
The instrudions crossed hint on his rettitiv, but be
was immediately dispatched from this country.
The Km'. Secretary then. congratulated the House
upon the temper with which the campaign in that
House had commenced, and concluded by observing, .
that-if it should be continued in the same spirit, it
would be most,conducive to the progress of public
business and national interests.

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Mr. Tr atINEY contended, that. the measures of .
Ministers had been inadequate, and that the. re-
sources of the country had been squandered, without
any advantage to ourselves, or those nations which
we have bean conneaed with. He elan' cautioned
Ministers against chewing too haughty- a mien to- ,•
wards America, and reminded them of the elleaa
that arose from the same kind of condu6 before the:
commencement of the last American war. '•
Mr. GRORGB Hama Rosa said, that during thit
time he was in America, he had, never heard it ul.
!edged that the Orders in Council were the cause that
induced- that Government to lay on the Embargo.
On the cdntrary, the first intimation he had receiv..
ed to that Kea was on his arrival in this country.
Some other Gentle Men said.a few words in expla-
nation, when the motion for the Address was pot
'and agreed to, and a Committee appointed 4) prepay.
and report the same.
NOTICES.
, The CIiktICiLLOR of the Es.cuactuatt gave, notice
that he would .to-morrow movo for the re-appoint*
moot of Abe Cognmittee of Finance. •
Lord CASTLltitaAcia gave notice that he would en
Monday move, that the Thanks, of the House be
given .to the Olicers and Troops who achieved the
victory of Vimiera.
Adjourned at Half-past Eleven o'clock. • !.

THE SEJ N.

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FRIDAY, JANUARY I$J9.

Our Letter from DoVer, this morning, states, fittest
very heavy tiring was kept up. on . the french Coa
yeserdays, for a considerable time, but the WO
was unknown, a number of our Cruizers were,/
lying off Boulogne, probably it proceeded from thedu
the weather being thiCk, at tended: with snow, nothing
could be seen from Dover.

Our Plymouth letter states (that the French
Lugger Privateer Hope, arrived there on Wednes-
day ; she was out to days from St. Vallery, captured
on the 1 eth inst. ()nape Barileur, by tits Sparrow•
hawk Sloop of war, atter a lotig chase.,

\Va last night received Date 4 Papers to the ItLas
inst. but' they are uncommonly barren of intclli".
gence: they contain no news tram Spain, except
an article from Bayonne, dated Decembef 28,
states, that all the troops in. that-heighbouthood
received orders to march into
tions a report that the Spaniards had been 'delbate4
in the Sierra Morena, and .that the 14'retich. boa'
.taken Cordova. These Papers.centain some tOrther:
details respecting the insurreeticat at COmitinititi6PleP'
but it seems still a matter of doubt whether Vos'
TAP,I4A B CTAR life upoti t
AIRA lost his It 'oli-cinieao
hat Onetislogs
or not. There lets been an insurrealop at Algiers,
in which the .Dey ACHMLT was put to.cleati?! and
ALI li:ou.stA' was chosen to succeed Burt.ktate'
in an article from Elsineur, that the
DEN' had ordered preparations .to be made fia,,the de
fence of his capital, being appreheniive 044. ttjo
Winter should prove very severe, the Russitioi, i)lg.")
attempt an expedition across the GOlpit
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•- • •
Our Readers will' ""
percetve, 'ilt"pero4l °
the. Proceedings in both .Houses.of Parliament) Y
terday, thar- the Opposition did • not .think it .exPe"
diem to propose an Amendment to,the-AddreSs, of
to try their strength-in a diviNion.

A Vessel has arrived at Falmouth, from Cadiz,
which she lett on' the 17th. :The Captain states
that it was reported there that a 'Battle had taken
place before. barcelotta, b'etweeo the French awl $1)3"
Liiiirds, in which the letter were deleatevL:

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