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London, England, 1849-07-06 00:00:00

BILL.

Sir WILLIAM SOMERVILLE moved that the order
for the Committee on the Municipal Corporations (Ire-
land) Bill be oliseharged; and that the Bill be referrer,
to a Select Committee, consisting of Mr. Ailionby, Mr.
Burroughes, Mr. Scholefield, Mr. Banbury, Mr. Christy,
Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Grogan, Mr. Hans Hamilton, Mr.
George Alexander Hamilton, and Mr. Bellew—Agreed to.
POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL.

On the motion for considering the Bill as amended,
Mr. NAPIER moved the insertion of the following
clause:—" And be it enacted, that when any rate for the
relief of the poor shall be made atter the passing of this
Act, it shall not be lawful to commence any proceeding
for the recovery of any arrear thereof against any per-
son not primarily liable to pay the same, unless within
the period of two years next after the making and pub
lishing of the said rate."

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Sir G. GREY said.. Government had no objection to its
introduction.

It was accordingly passed through its various stages,
and ordered to be added to the Bill.
Mr. S. CR AWFO RD moved the insertion
passed in
rtionof thetfhoello7wth-
ing clause--" Whereas an Act w
year of her present Majesty's reign,
Actreign fo,illr thetittl mlede6rAe effee
nAc!,
fur the further amendment of a
tusl Relief of the destitute
liPoaboriiiitnylroeflainmdm,'eidniawtheilcehssAorest
provision was made for the
for the whole rates in place of the cccupiers in certain
cases of the value of rateable property; be it enacted,
as
that so much of the said recited Act provides, that
whenever the net annual value of the whole of the rate
able hereditaments in any union occupied by any person
or persons shall not exceed four pounds, the rate in re-
spect of such property shall le made on the immediate.
lessor, be repealed, except as to anything heretofore
done or now pending under this Act." No man who
was a pauper ought to contribute to the rate. A poor-
law. should bo considered in the light of a friendly so-
ciety, to which everybody who could must contribute;
and the House having determined to confirm.
the (planer acre clause, it was only just and
fair to couple it with the provision he now
proposed. No tenement ought to be expr ssly
exempted from the payment of the rates, but they shoald
rather leave it to the board of guardians to decide
upon the necessity of each application for individual
exemption.
Sir L. O'BRIEN seconded the clause.
Mr. W. FAGAN opposed the chuse on the ground
that it would lead to much mischief.
Sir J. YOUNG also opposed the clause.
Mr. FITZSTEPHEN FRENCH
desirable that all classes of land thought it highlve y
holders should ha an
interest in the econ, mical workin
else they might have pg of the poor-law, or
a state of comparative prosperity. Now, the only
wayable to
togive them that rate was to make them
,li
contribute to th rates and, u-
der those circumstances, he should support, the clause.n
Mr. J. HAMILTON suggested that it would be better
to reduce the amount of holding to which the clause
should apply.
Mr. P. SCROPE observed that if they threw the rate
on the landlord it induced him to evict; while, if it were
imposed on the small holder it could not be collected.
In dealing, thete'ore, with the clause they ought to act
with more caution.
Sir G. GREY said a large proportion of the rates
now collected were contributed by the landlord, and t in
they did
not sacrifice that amount of rate.— Hear,
b*ar.) Ile was not prepared to say the Govern-
ofewould altogether object to any modification
this clause, but they certainly could not consent to go
the length proposed by the Hon. Member for Rochdale.
Sir 1). NORREYS calculated that 9,000 lessors at
present paid rates, and it would be a serious thing if
they passed a clause which should get rid of that amount
of liability. It was another thing whether they should
give the boards of guardians some discretion in cases
demanding exemption, but he certainl
this clause. y could not support
Mr. SADLEIR would oppose the clause if he could
brie himself to think with the Right Honourable
onet the Secretary for the Home Department that
lessors of these small holdings paid the rates
He, however, knew that they did not simply view the
want of some efficacious means of recovering the rates,
and as the existing law seemed to encourage wholesale
evictions he could not do otherwise than give his
support t`) a motion fur its partial repeal.
Colonel THOMPSON said it appeared to him that
the evil on one side was more immediate than on the
other, and he should oppose the proposal. The diffi
culty of repealing the clause would be far greater than
that of preserving it.
pMr. MONSELL gave it as his opinion that, if they
assed the clause, it would have the effect of utterly ex-
tinguishing the poor-law in the western unions of Ire
land.

After a few words from Mr. HARRIS,
Mr. SCULLY said he certainly would support the
;notion, unless it were accompanied by some plan for
compromising the payment of the rates between the
landlord and ten• tat. •

Mr. O'FLABERTY said that he should vote for t hi:
clause, for the very s'me reason that induced the lion.
Gentleman who ha just spoken to appose it.
Colonel DUNNE had been surprised to bear the
honourable Member for Limerick say that he pre-
ferred the collecting of the rates to the inte-
rest of the poor. This claue had been debated upon in
Committee, and, as far as he could see, that Committee
had been of little use, as very lew of the recommenda-
tions had been attended to here. The valuation of Ire-
land vtaa 13,000,0001., and, according to calculations
which had been made, 10.000,0001 of this were
not paid. The Gentleman then adverted to a letter
in yesterday's Times which had confirmed all the state-
ments made by him in that House. There was also
another letter, he meant the manifesto published by the
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, and which he could not de-
precate in too strong terms.
Sir LUCIUS O'BRIEN proposed that all tenements
valued under 11, and not containing more than a quarter
an acr, should be exempt foal poor-:a,e.
Lord J. RUSSELL said this was a question of
great d fficulty. 11e
in !'"Ai thought that two evils
ld arise from the repeal the clause whichgreat existed
the Act of Parliament, one of which would be that a
rapouch less sum would be collected for the relief of the
o
and another that there would be a greater risk of
.olititon in collecting the rates.
After
I a few words from Mr. J. O'CONNELL,
The
there ar• S. CRAWFORD replied.
gallery. waa then cleared for a division, when
ppeared—
, For tie clause
Against it .•
• ***
Majority
(LEST SITTING.

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