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London, England, 1849-06-08 00:00:00

CONSIDERATION OF REPORTS.

The following reports were considered and agreed to :
Binbrooke St. Gabriel and Binbrooke St. Mary Inclo-
- (Amendment and Extension of Acts, Alteration of
Awards, settling Titles to Lands, &c., and defining
Parish Boundaries) Bill.
Congleton Inclosure Act Amendment Bill.
Sheffield and Tinsley Road (Extension of the Tinsley
and D.,neaster Turnpike Road to Sheffield) Bill.
STOCKTON AND DARLINGTON RAILWAY.
On the motion for the third reading of the Stockton
and Darlington (Consolidation of Acts Increase of Ca-
pital and Purchase of the Middlesborough Dock) Bill,
Mr. HASTIE moved the insertion of a clause relative
to the toll to be taken on the Shelbon Tunnel.
Lord HARRY VANE said the clause had been unani
mously rejected by the Committee.

Mr. B. said under these circumstances
was a w%ste of time to discuss the matter.

Mr. STUART supported the clause.
Captain HARRIS said the reason the Committee did
not insert the clause was, because they felt they had not
power to do so.
After some further discussion the amendment was
withdrawn.

Tue 8.11 was then read a thin] time and passed.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS.
The Lords' amendments to the Kirkaldy Barbour,
Docks, Ferries, and Petty Customs Bill were considered
and agreed to.

PETITIONS.
Mr. BASS presented a petition from Derby praying
for the extension of county courts.
Mr. WILLIAMS presented a petition from Aberyst-
with in favour of the Clergy Relief Bill.
Mr. PLUMPTRE presented petitions complaining of
agricultural distress.
Mr. 0. DUNCOMBE presented petitions from York-
shire to the same effect.
Mr. B. OSBORNE presented a petition from Surrey,
praying the 'False to acknowledge the de facto Govern.
ment of Rome.
Mr. COWAN presented a petition from Edinburgh
complaining of the present system of keeping roads and
bridges in Scotland.
Mr. TRELAWNY presented a petition from Mr.
Charles H. Green complaining that he had been nearly
ruined by church-rates. ,
Mr. WYLD presented a petition from 2,000 persons
employed in collieries, praying that some measure might
be passed to obtain the better ventilation of mines.
Mr. BANKES presented a petition from the county of
,Dorset, agreed to at a large public meeting, complaining
of the present distress of the agricultural interest, and
praying for the re-imposition of a protective duty upon
the produce of foreign countries.
SUCCESSION TO PROPERTY IN INDIA.
Mr. HUME gave notice that on the 16th he would call
the attention of the House to certain proceedings in
India, by which the law of succession to property there
had been interceded.
LUNATIC (SCOTLAND) BILL.
Mr. CU N 13,1 ING BRUCE gave notice, when this Bill
came on, that he would move the exclusion of the county
of E'gin from it.
NATIONAL EDUCATION.
Mr. MILES moved for a return of all correspondence
which had taken place between the Committee of
Council of Education and the Committee of the Na-
tional Society upon the subject of the management
clauses, subsequent to the last publication of the minutes:
copies of the management clauses, as amended: and of
all conditions which are imposed, either upon Roman
Catholic schools, or schools of Dissenting bodies, previ-
ously to the advance of any sum of money towards the
building of the aforesaid schools by the Committee of
the Privy Council of Education.—Agreed to.
PALACE COURT.
Lord D. STUAR r gave notice of his intention to
ask for leave to introduce a Bill to bring the jurisdic-
tion of the Westminster Palace Court under the opera-
tion of the County Courts Act,
ACCIDENTS IN COAL MINES.
Mr. lIUME said an explosion had taken place at a
coil mine on the sth of this month, by which 24 persons
had. been killed; and as such accidents were censtantly
t king place, he wished to know whether the Right lion.
Baronet (Sir G. Grey) had taken any measures to ascer-
tain the cause of it ?
Sir G. GREY referred the Hon. Gentleman to the
rep,rt which had been laid on the table of the House.
Mr. HUME trusted that some day- would be fixed by
the Government for the consideration of this question;
and he gave notice that he should, on Monday, bring
this question before the House, and trusted that the
Government would fix a day for the settlement of the
question which had so long agitated the public mind.
Sir G. GREY said that it was impossible at present for
the Government to take uch a subject into consideration,
but no opportunity would be lost in bringing the matter
before the House.

AUSTRALIAN BILL.
Mr. HAWES, in reply to a question from Mr.
Disraeli, said that though the Government had been
much interrupted, he hoped to be able on Monday to
introduce the improved Bill.—(Hear, hear.)
TOOMEVE fIA UNION.
Mr. IL DRUMM.OND said before the House went
into the orders of the day, he would throw himself on its
indulgence and its justice while he troubled it with a re
futation of the personal attack which was made on the
Rev. Massey Dawson, a friend of his, the other evening,
by the Hon. Member for Limerick. In so doing
be by no means admitted the justice or the pro-
priety of any Member of that House making a charge
against an individual in reference to his private pro-
perty, without in the first instance giving him notice of
Lis intention so to do. The Hon. Member then read a
I,tter he had received from the Rev. Massey Dawson,
to the effect that the persons ejected from his property
happened to be two middle-men, named Murphy
and Sawley, the former of whom owed him
six years' rent at one time, and had only
since paid a very small portion .of his
arrears, whilst Sawley owed him five and a half years'
rent, and not content with owing him rent, he har-
boured all the bad characters in the vicinity, men who
lived on foaming the country by day and plundering by
night.
Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL said the Hon. Member for
Tipperary was not in the House at that moment, but
he would venture to answer for him to the House.—
(Hear.) The facts were not at all denied, of turning
out 500 or 600 poor people to perish, and the levelling
of their houses was not denied; and be (Mr. John
O'Connell) did think it an aggravation to the people to
be called a nest of thieves and murderers, without the
Tr.
least attempt to prove it. A great number of par-
ties got unstemped receipts for rents which they
had paid from the agent of that gentleman, Mr.
E. Wilson ; and parties taking unstamped
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in e
thtner;ireedsenotudtistred insse
aehnceeirpets was
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d a great number of poor people had been about the
i
country to support life.—(Cries of " Order, order," in
the midst of which the H
Sir W. SOMERV Hon. Member resumed his seat.)
ILLE said as his 'Friend the other
evening had referred to the
conduct of the board of
guardians of the Nenag
Somerville) had received a report 76rc7s' he
(Sir William
eptain Bowen,
the inspector, who stated that the necessary notices were
served on the :relieving officers, in acconnrlti
nee with the
Act of Victoria, in the case of the parties who had been
evicted.
Mr. P. SCROPE—Connected with this subject ?--
(" Oh, oh," " Order, order, " Chair, chair.")
Mr. F. O'CONNOR slid that as there was no question
before the House. he would move that the House 4.d.
juurn, which would make a qtte:tion.—(Laught. r.)
THE KILRUSII UNION.
Mr: P. SCROPE said he to ask of the Govern-
ment, whether th. y had re ad the repot of Cuptsin Ken-
nrdy, and whether they thought it incumbent Oh
them to take any proceedings to put a stop to the
vietions going on in that part of
_dtho country?
They report; of the inspector stated thathduriebeeg n
drthe
ilast
t rsons aven
twelve mouths fileen th,aitand p
from their homes by this system of eviction, and the
homes tlf twelve thousand more were in the process of
he'ng raw d to the ground.—(lle
.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL corroborated the facts stated by
the Hon. Member, but intimated that he had under-
stated them. A cowshed in which a woman afflicted
with fever had taken shelter had been destoyed, and a
" wigwam" which a p, or man and his family bad erected
was set fire to and pulled down. It really, in such a
state of things, behoved the House and the Government

to take some step to prevent the continuance of such a
horrible state of things.—(Hear, hear )
Sit G. GISEY was not surprised that what bad taken
place in the Kilrush union had attracted the attention
of the lion. Gentleman and the House, since in what
had t.ken place it was distioguishtd from what had
taken place elsewhere. He must, however, remind him
that last session an Act was passed for preventing
evictions, but that those who, taking their stand
'upon legal grounds, were about to evict, that
in every case notice should be given to the
guardians, and that means should be taken to provide
temporary she:ter for those who were evicted. It ex-
pressly declared that no houses should be pulled down
whilst the parties were in them, which provision, even
in Kilrush, he did not gather had been violated. It it
had it was in contravention of the law, and the parties
were amenable to punishment. Indeed the only remedy
for such a lamentable state of things was in the hands of
those who were capable and willing to afford employ-
ment to the poor, thus enabling them to maintain
themselves and to pay their rent. He was prepared
to' say if the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Scrope )
thought proper to call fur a detailed account of the
[limber of evictions, the names of the evictors, and tle
extent of the families of those evicted, that no objection
would be offered be the Government. Ile was nut pre.
pared to say that the Government might not call for
further powers if they found them necessary ; but he
reminded the House that the subject was surrounded
with difficulties.
Sir R. PEEL said he was quite aware of the difficulty
that stood in the way of applying a remedy to the glar-
ing evils complained of, but it was quite possible that
the indignation of the House of Commons n i.th have
some effect in checking such outrages—(Hear)—for he
must say that he never heard of any country, civilized
or barbarous, presenting materials fcr such a statement
as that wade by Mr. Kennedy. He asked, therefore,
if the statement mate by that gentleman was cor-
rect. It was an official document, presented by the
Executive Government by the order of the Crown
for the consideration of Parliament, for the guidance
of their proceedings ; and that gentleman, too, was
an officer in her Majesty's service and a man, he
believed, of unquestionable veracity.—(Clear, hear.)
He stated this fact—that in one of the unions at a periol
of famine, during one year, that 15,000 persons had been
driver, from their homes; and says, after this had been
done in one year, it would be hardly credited that during
the last month 12,000 additional persons had been
driven from their home. He then proceeds to detail
incidental cases of the persons so evicted. The
inspector stated three facts which appeared to be
rather the creation of a heated imagination, than a de-
tail of events occurring in the present age. The inspector
said he went to a ruined house and found it in possession
of a father, a mother and two children, who were about
to be evicted ; the father was a corpse ; the mother
was dying of dysentry, and the two children were lying
asleed upon the corpse of the father. In the second
case he found a family located in a hut which
bad been surrounded by muck to drive them
thence by the stench; while in the third case
tie saw a hut set fire to, though it was still occupied by,
miserable be logs whose ailments prevented their escap-
ing. With these facts before them, he could not
retrain from expressing his conviction that the time
had arrived when some remedy ought to be
applied to the evil. He knew not whether it
was possible to stop the system by law, but he felt that
a strung feeling of indignation on the part of the House
might have some effect in mitigating the sufferings of
these poor wretches.—(Cheers.)
Mr. REYNOLDS remarked, that by the returns, it
appeared that 160,000 beings had been evicted during
the last three years.
Colonel DUANE admitted the atrocities that had been
committed, but attributed them all to the working of the
Irish poor-law.
Mr. AUGUTUS STAFFORD said it was unjust
to 1 _sok only at one aide of the question there
were landlords in the districts which had been referred
to with whom it was not a question how they were to
obtain the luxuries, comforts, or even decencies of life,
but how they were to support their existence, for they
were wholly deprived of animal food, and were reduced to
two or three meals of Indian corn a day. The
Government bad compelled the Irish landlords, and
he thought wisely, to pay the poor-rates for every
tenant holding under 41, and, since the potato
crops had failed, the tenants were utterly unable
to pay any rent, and the consequence was that
the landlords found themselves not merely without
an estate, but actually in a worse condition, fore they
were liable to the heavy rates which the tenants could
not pay. If that fact was not an excuse for the conduct
of the Irish landlords, he thought it might be considered
as some extenuation of it. Two year; ago he had warned
the House not to place any temptation in the way
of the landlords, which it was impossible for human na-
ture to bear, but to make it the interest of the landlord to
improve his estate rather than to eject his tenantry. His
advice, however, had been entirely disregarded, and
the consequence was that 15,C00 tenants had been evicted.
He therefore thought that the House should not
content itself with blaming the Irish landlords, but ougi. t
rati responsibility
n o f th e
area which
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ds hbaersen acpasotrtuiopnon t.o h tehme b aTmhee
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taxation, which was at the root of the evil, the Govern-
ment would eventually be obliged to resort to, but if that
measure was driven off, it might perhaps be unavailing.
Mr. RUCHE declined giving any opinion upon the
hubby of the lion. Gentleman (Mr. Stafford), but he
regretted that lion. Gentlem .n had come forward to
express their sympathy with the people who had been
evicted, because all the sympathy in the world
wow(' not prevent landlords taking proceedings
to protect themse ves and their families from destitution.
Ile wished especially to call the attention of her Ma
jesty's Government to the sptern of colonization re•
commended by the Emigration Commissioners.— (Ulcer.)
It ens not the retaining of the present pier-law thet
was likely to give any relief to the immediate necessity
nor any permanent removal of the distress which now so
extensively prevailed in Irelard.— (flesr, hear.) Ile
trusted, therefore, that her Majesty's Government would
not neglect those recommendations in the statements ef
the Commissioners to which he had directed their at-
tention.

Hr. 11. HERBERT said that the Hon. Gentleman
who had just sat down had affirmed that the question
which was now before the House had never been fairly
mot.—(Cries of "Hear, hear.") He feared that if it
had not been fairly met the circumstance was more
owing to the Honourable Gentleman's absence from the
[louse than from any other cause.—(Hear, hear.) If
the Hon. Gentleman bad been in his place as often as
others, both on hi, own side of the House and on that
which was opposed to it, he (Mr. Herbert)
believed that he would have found no rea-
sonable cause of complaint of inattention to
Irish interests. He had observed, indeed, that when-
ever Irish sulljects were before the House that the Hon.
Member had never been in his place—(Hear, hear)—
and he was ashamed to say that whenever Irish ques-
tions wt re before the House Irish Members were among
the last to take a practical interest in them.
Mr. GRATTAN—Tte question simply was, how the
evils iu Ireland had been produced.—(Hear, _ hear.) It
was eot a matter of two, three, or four thousand years, but
how the evils were to be remedied. The whole of the
evils were the natural fruit of British legislation. He
did nut object to British cannexion, but British
legislation was an evil which appeared irremediable.
He saw saw a wretched party of Irish people
the other day in Ireland, starving and in rags,
who had bee n sent back to Ireland from
Birmingham and Manchester, whither they had
wandered in search of food and employment.
That was the charity of the Honourable
Member for Manchester; that was the bright hu-
manity of that Hon. Member.—(A laugh.) They took
away the absentee rents, and that was the cause of
much of the distress and want that abounded. It was
all nonsense ; the people could not live on the rate
in aid. He told the House over and over again
when the Irish poor-law was raising, that it would be
the ruin of Ireland. Mr. O'Connell said if they
passed that Bill they might go all round
Ireland, and write upon every house in it the
words " poor• house." That had actually been
verified. It was Irish poverty that was support-
ing Irish population. The House passed that law,
and then they followed it up by driving
away all the honourable and high-spirited men from the
country; and now they had nothing left but famine
and fever. He (Mr. Grattan) had fled from • a
host of beggars f.rty-eight hours ago, and he
said for God's sake let him get away, for the very air
was infected with famine and fever. It was not
by charging the evil on Irish landlords that
it could be remedied ; let them strike at the
root of evil, and send their 40,000 soldiers to
drive back the absentees. They would not much
longer recruit their army and navy with Irishmen.
He had seen little children, the rising generation
of Ireland, perishing and fading away. He saw the starv-
ing men from Roscommon, Limerick :and Tipperary;
he declared to God he never saw such images of misery.
in his life, and when he sat down to his dinner he said
"take it away and give it to the poor." They
were destroying the beet portion of the human mind.
Mr. O'Brien was wrong;
he rebelled too soon; had he
waited, it must have and would have exploded, and a
real insurrection must have deluged the country.
In Ireland there mete land landlords who did not get
2 lbs. of meat a-week. He implored them to do some- ,
thing to prevent the horrible destitution that now ex-
isted in Ireland.

Mr. LA WLESS denied that these evictions were
caused by the Irish Poor-law.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

lIAIVIBUROH AND FLANDERS
MAILS.
ScuLcsvvio-HOLSTEIN.—The official report of the
Danish Minister of 'War, dated the 4th of June,
says :—“From official reports from Frederieia up to
the Ist, it appears that nothing of importance had
taken place there up to that period. With regard to
the occupation and substquent evacuation of
Cranhuns by the German troops, it appears
th it at half past seven o'clock on the morning
of the 31st a large body of the enemy had issued from
the wood of Marselisburg, and with the left wing had
endeavoured to close in the -Danish avant-guard,
under Lieutenant Von Muller, which was, however,
averted by the fire kept up by the Hertha and two
gun-boats. The avant-guard then fell back
through Aarbuns into Miswood, where it was
stAnding till half-past twelve, when it received
reinforcements. Upon this a movement was effected,
and the enemy was forced to evacuate Aarbuns,
whiCh was again occupied by the Danish troops.
The lois on the side of the Danes was nice killed and
twelve wounded; of the latter four were wounded,
among whom was the Prince of Salm-salm, the second
Lieutenant in the Ist Rnasian Regiment of Hussars ;