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of that to which he was justly entitled, and Baron de
Bode's case furaished another instanee of their injustice.
After a few words from Mr. HUME, the vote wes
agreed to.
The next vote propose I was, that a sum, not exce•:d-
ing 12.01)01., he granted to d :fray the expenses of pur-
chasing tmoks of reference and apparatus for the collsges
in Ireleni.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL slid they were all atereed that
education was estoitial, but there were iliinrences in
Ireland on the tubj-ct of the educatien to be given in
these colleges, and tie hoped therefore the proposA vote
would be postponed. Not only was that kind of eelucas
don objectionable to gre A numbers of the Catholics btu:
it was objected that the Governaient retained to itself
the pawer of appointing the professors, thereby in-
creasing its patronage. He hoped, therefore, the vote
would be postponed till next session.
Mr. SPOONER thought some explanation should be
given before the vote was agreed to, as a certain sum had
been provided by en Act of Parliament,
The CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER said the
100,0001. which hel been secured by the Act of Parlia-
ment for< the building and furnishing of the colleges
would be expended in October, and the present vote was
for the purpose of providing books of reference and ap-
paratus to enable the professors to open weir classes in
October.
Mr. MUNTZ said it appeared clear that the presi-
dents and, vice.preeidents had received salaries of two
years tor doing nothing.
Lord J. RUSSELL, in reply to some observations of
Mr. Plumptre, said that the Roman Catholic Bishops
had proposed that certain professors should nut be
appointed without a veto of the Roman Catholic Bishops.
A plan had, however, been sanctioned by Parliament
—a certain amount of expenditure had been agreed
upon ; 7.0001. a year had been provided, and Ministers
could not, therefore, of their own authority, set aside the
plan sanctioned by Parliament. A very great portion
of the Catholic laity and clergy were anxious for the
opening of the colleges, and Sir Robert Kane had in-
formed him that a greeter number of students would
attend than had been expected.
Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL said the Catholics had con-
scientious objections to these colleges, which objections
were confirmed by the head of their Church. All he
asked was that the vote should be postponed till next
session, as possibly an arrangement might be come to in
the interim,
Lord J. RUSSELL said regulations had been pre-
pared, under the sanction of the Lord Primate, which
he thought would obviate the dangers which had been
apprehended, and which would give the Catholics every
security as regarded the religious faith of their pupils, as
provision would be made for the pupils receiving
religious education,
Mr. LAW quite agreed that the Government was
bound to carry out the provisions of the Act of Parlia-
ment. The difficulty arose in their going beyond that
Act.—(Hear, hear.) The Act provided for the expendi-
ture of a large sum, and he thought it was somewhat
irregular to p opose as an estimate a sum beyond what
the Act had provided. When it was found that 100,000/.
was insufficient, a Bill should have been brought in to
supply what was necessary, instead ef endeavouring to
obtain that supply by a vote. He submitted, therefore,
that the presmit mode of proceeding was irregular.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
'hey were not enable.), under the Act, to apply any part
of the 100,0001. tor any other purpose than that of build-
ing and furnishing the colleges. The present vote was,
in point of fact, only carry tug out the Act of Parliament,
as the colleges could out be opened without the present
provision being made.
Mr. PLUNIPTRE did not see that they should be
called on year after year to grant such votes as the
present.
Tho CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
the present vote was not intended to tie an annual grant,
but was or the purpise of setting the coll. gas
Mr. HENLEY wanted to know, arer the declaretion
of the Hun, Member for Limerick (Mr. J. O'Connell),
whit security they had that the colleges would be filled.
—(Efear, hear.) If they did not, it is possible they
might be called upon for annual grants. He thought,
therefore, they were at present going on in an unconsti-
tutional course. The Noble Lo,rd (Lord John liaised)
said the Catholic hierarchy had made cer:a‘n demands
to appoint certain professors, and that certain explana-
tions had been given to sieisty them. If that were so,
it would be very convenient that the House should know
what those explanations were.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said what he stated was, that
the presidents would make regulations that would be
satisfactory; but no peculiar privileges would be given
to Roman Catholics. The regulation would be, that
lodging•houses would receive licences to be held by par.
ties that would not expose the pupils to proselytism.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the entire
100,0001. were expended, and whether that was to cover
all expenses.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
was to cover the building and furniture of the colleges
purtenant thereto, but he did not think that instruments
could he considered appurtenances.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether salaries were
paid to the presidents And vice-presidents?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that they were engaged in
making preparations for the opening of the colleges,
and making regulations preparatory to that, and in cone
sequence were paid their salaries.
Mr. SPOONER said, as this might be made a prece-
lent for further grants, Le should divide the Committee
on the subject.
Mr. BANKES said he thought the Government would
do better iu applying the surplus money they had in
hand to the purshase of these philosophical instruments.
Mr. lIUME raid he would support the vote because
he thought the Government had acted fairly and can•
iidit in this matter.
Mr. NE W DEGATE asked whether it was true that
hat there wa• an accumulation in the money that had
peen voted in 1845?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that none of this 20,0001. a
year which was voted for professors could be paid, in-
semuch as those professors had not been as yet ap-
pointed.
The Committee then divided, when, there appeared—
For the vote 106
Against it _ ... 28

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Majority in favour of the vote
TI-e vote was then agri-eel to
65,5751, for excess iu the Commissariat department.
Mr 'FUME called the attention of the Committee to
the enormous excess in the Commissariat. He thougf- t
there was great waste and extravagance in this doroart-
in,nt. He hoped that Government would I.mk more
minutely than they had previously done into these
matters.

At r a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER and Mr. VERNON SMITH, the vote was
agr, ed t
35,3861. was voted to defray the expenditure connected
with the Ordnance.
500,0001. was granted to meet the charge of a like
amount of surplus granted for the service of the } ear
1848, to the credit of the preceding year.
Mr. HENLEY a,k,d the m.ani..g o!' thin vote.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
was to cover ans Odd sum that might rernam.
Mr. WA WN protested against this vote until he knew
whtit it was 1;1'.
The vote was then agreed to.
The House then resumed, the CHAIRMAN reported
progress, and asked leave t. sit again 141 Monday.
The llouie then went into Committee on the Inland
Posts (Colonies) Bill.

The sevend elsuses were agreed to, and ihe H_u•e
resumed.

Mr. FIUME asked whether the notice given at th-
Post-office, respecting the payment of leter4, applied to
colonial us well as to home letters, heoause, if EO, they
should supply the colonies with stamps?
Mr. HAY FER, replied that he would give his Hon.
Friend an answer on M mday next.
The several clauses were agreed to, and the House
resumed.

The report of the House of Commons Officers (Sala-
ries) Bill was brought up and agreed to.
The House of Commons Offices, Bill then went through
Committee—the report to be received on Monday.
The Petty Bag, &c., Offices Amendment Bill passed
through Committee.

The Commons Inclosure Bill next went into Commit-
tee; the several clauses were agreed to, and the report
ordered to be consideri'd on Monday next.
The Labouring Poor Act Amendment (Ireland) Bill
went also through Committee.
The Land Improvement Amendment Act (Ireland)
Bill was next procee led with in Committee, and the re-
port ordered ►o be received on Monday.
The Poor Relief (Cities and Boroughs) Bill was read
a third time and passed.
The Hou_e then went into Committee on the Poor-
law Union Charges Act Amendment Bill.
Cuptain PEC HELL complained of the little con-
sidention which h.4d been given to the measure, and
stated his intention of moving certain amendments t,)
some of the clauses of the Bill, especially to the fourth
clause.

Mr. FLOYER also considered the measure defective,
hut. after some conversation, clauses one, two, and three
were agreed to.
The CHAIR,TAN then reported progress, and asked
leave to sit again on Monday.
The Administration of Justice (Vancouver's Island)
Bill was read a second time.
The House at its rising was ordered to stand adjourned
till Monday next.
Lord DUDLEY STUART inquired at what time the
Small Debts Bill would come on for discussion.
Sir G. GREY said that it stood amongst the orders of
the day for twelve o'clock on Monday.
Lord DUDLEY S I CART said that be understood
certain clauses had been prepared by the Attorney-Ge-
neral for insertion in this Bill which would most Inge.
daily affect its principle. He alluded to the compensa-
tion to be given to the officers of the Palace Court. The
clauses to be proposed for insertion provided that the
question as to the amount of compensation to be given
to the officers of that Court should be left to the Trea-
sury. instead of to the /louse of Commons, as was in-
tended by the Bill on the table. He (Lord Dudley
Stuart) did not think them entitled to compensation at
all. It it was found for the advantage of the country
that the Palace Court sheuld be abolished they should
take the corst,quences. He thought that Parliam,mt
should di cid° how much they should have, and that was
in accordance with precedent. They had had eremeh of
compensation already from the Treasury, under the 7
and 8 Vie., e. 96. The re urn he hel moved tor sho.ed
hew enormously they had been compensated, arid 3et
the operatien of that Act had not diminished their in•
comes; p,ut, (,n the contrary, by the operation of another
statute the bus to.ss of the Palace Court and the leis of
the offers and attorneys bad been greatly augmented.
He would not go into the rrturns at that Lite hour. His
object v‘a-t merely to say That it was a monstrous
wity to attempt to compensate men who had already
bt:en most lavishly com pei,sai ed.
The klabe adjourned At Hilf-plat Twelire-oPulock.