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No. 8, HIGH-STREET, NEWINGT9N-BUTTS.

" Since the 2d of October, the hour at which the packet
sails from Holyhead with the day mails from London, has
been changed from ten o'clock to eight o'clock in the mor-
ning, and in consequence of this change, the packet is ex-
pected to arrive at Kingstown, in favourable weather, at
two o'clock, instead of four o'clock, P.M., as heretofore.
" The packet with the night mails which had previously
been dispatched from Holyhead at midnight, now sails at
half-past six o'clock every evening, and is expected to ar-
rive at Kingstown at half-past twelve o'clock at night, in-
stead of six o'clock in the morning, as formerly.
" From Kingstown, the packet which, previously to the
30th September, sailed at nine o'clock in the morning, now
sails at half-past seven, and is due in Holyhead at half-past
one, P.M. The evening packet which heretofore sailed from
Kingstown at seven o'clock being now delayed until half-
past eight o'clock, and being considered as due' in Holy-
head at half-past two o'clock the following morning.
The objects of these alterations on te Holyhead line
are declared to be, that the express mail which is dispatched
from the London Post-office at eleven o'clock in the morn-
iv, may be received in Dublin with the Chester mail on
the following day, and that the regular mail which is dis-
patched from London at eight o'clock every evening, may
more frequently reach Dublin in time for early delivery
there, and for transmission to the interior of Ireland by the
morning coaches, and also that there may be an increased
regularity in the arrival of the Irish letters in London, &c.
" The land conveyance of these mails is partly by rail-
road, the night mail being conveyed between London and
Birmingham on the Birmingham railway, and the morning
mail being forwarded between London and Harford-bridge
by the same conveyance, the carriage between these sta-
tions and Holyhead being by four-horse coaches.

" That the alteration will insure greater regularity in
the transmission of the mails, is evident, because the time
allowed to the packets for crossing the channel has been
extended, and the uncertainty of the sea-voyage has here-
tofore been almost the sole cause of irregularity. The
packet having now upwards of twelve hours to make the
passage from Holyhead, it is almost certain that the Lon-
don letters will be received in Dublin in time for the earliest
delivery. But, this very important benefit has not been
attained without some disadvantages.
" The comfort and accommodation of passengers must
be diminished by the alteration in the hours at which the
evening packets are likely to arrive at Holyhead and
Kingstown, the earliest arrival at Kingstown being after
midnight. The probable arrival, during winter, being be-
tween midnight and six o'clock in the morning.
" But the chief objection to the arrangement is to be
found in its effects on the correspondence with some parts
of the interior of Ireland, us the Limerick, Cork, Sligo, and
Derry mails, which do not arrive in Dublin until seven
o'clock in the morning, and which were formerly for-
warded to England by the Holyhead mail at nine o'clock,
cannot he sorted fir and dispatched by the packet which
now sails from Kingstown at half-past seven, and must,
therefore, be detained for the following packet.
" It cannot, however, be doubted, that on application to
to the Post-office, steps will be taken to remedy this evil,
either by accelerating movements, where practicable, or by
earlier despatch of the mails from the Cork, Limerick, and
other Post-offices, and that the alterations on the Holy-
head line will then be found generallybeneficial to the Post-
office communication.
6, On the Liverpool station no alteration whatsoever has
been made—the carriage of the mails between London and
Dublin, throturli Liverpool,. has not been expedited as yet,
by the completion of the Birmingham and Grand Junction
railways, although letters now reach Liverpool from
London twelve hours sooner than by mail coach.
" No second line of packets has been established, nor
has there been any change of the hour at which the mail-
boat sails.
" With reference to the establishment of a second line
of packets, it appears that the Admiralty have not as yet
a sufficient number of suitable steam-boats to dispatch a
packet morning and evening from Liverpool, in the same
manner as fmom Holyhead, although steps were long since
taken to effect that object.
Immediately after the Lords of the Treasury had re-
jected the proposals to contract for conveying the mails, and
had decided that the means of intercourse between Great
Britain and Ireland, through Liverpool and Dublin, should
not be confided to private individuals (a decision which the
Chamber of Commerce earnestly solicited, and which is
now stated to be advantageous to Government, even in a
pecuniary point of view, the Admiralty directed that two
large boats, with great steam power, should be built for
the Liverpool service ; one of these vessels has been
launched, and is now at Liverpool to receive her engines.
The other will shortly be ready to proceed there for the
same purpose, and it is understood that two more are to
be built for this important station.

" Some months, however, must elapse, before any of
these boats can be fitted for sea, as much delay may be
expected in procuring steam engines, in consequence of the
press of business amongst the engine makers, &c.
" In the meantime, the anxiety of Government and of
the Post-office on this subject has been evinced by the di-
rections given, and the promptitude with which the Post-
office authorities in Dublin have communicated with the
steam-boat companies there, in order to ascertain the terms
on which the owners of steam boats would contract, during
one year, to despatch a boat with a mail from Liverpool, at
half pas' ten o'clock every night, and from Kingstown at
twelve o'clock daily—the Admiralty boats being dispatched
at other hours of the day.
" That a double line of packets from Liverpool should
be established, is deemed necessary to facilitate the dispatch
of letters to and from the interior of Ireland, but as the
steam Companies may decline to contract for the dispatch
of boats, at the specified hours, it is suggested that the
Admiralty should propose to charter two first class steam-
boats, for three or four months ; or, until the Government
boats now fitting up be ready for sea, and that the arrange-
ment might thus be immediately effected.
" It may, however, be observed, that this double line of
packets is not essential to the Post-office communication be-
tween London and Dublin. It would not ensure a more
regular delivery in Dublin of the night mail than that which is
now attained by the Holyhead line—and no other consider-
able advantage could be contemplated, if themail which leaves
London at half-past eight o'clock in the evening were for-
warded through Liverpool, as it wonld not arrive there until
half-past six o'clock the following morning, and if put on
board a packet for Dublin, with the least possible delay, it
could seldom reach our Post-office until after seven or eight
o'clock in the evening, and generally at an hour too late for
the delivery of letters, &c.
" Nor would Dublin derive any important benefit from
the dispatch of a mail from Kingstown for London at an
early hour of the morning, as that mail would convey very
few Dublin letters except those which were in the Post-
office on the preceding evening.
" If it be found impossible, therefore, immediately to ex-
pedite the correspondence with the interior of Ireland by
establishing a second line of packets between Dublin and

" But should it be deemed expedient, under all circum-
stances, to alter the Liverpool arrangement, let it be re-
collected that any evils arising from retarding the dispatch
of the Liverpool packet cannot necessarily be of long con-
tinuance, as it may shortly be expected that the mails will
be conveyed between London and Liverpool in eight instead
of ten hours, and that the packet may then sail at five o'clock,
as at present. The principal obstacle which now prevents the
conveyance of the mails on the Birmingham and Grand Junc-
tion Railways, at the same rate of speed attained on the Man-
chester line, being, that the embankments are in some parts
not yet perfectly secured, and that until these works be
completed, the Directors decline to increase the speed be-
yond eighteen or twenty miles in the hour—the speed re-
quired being somewhat at less than twenty-six miles in the
hour, as by that rate of travelling on these railways, and
with even a single line of efficient steam-boats for crossing

the Channel, the Post-office would he enabled, in nearly
all seasons, to forward the entire of the London mails to
Dublin through Liverpool, in twenty-four hours—and na-
tional advantages would be attained, which it must be the
desire of Government to use every means in its power to
promote."

Mr. HALLIDAY, after he had concluded reading the Re-
port, saki, that it contained the substance of the information
the Council had been enabled to collect, and the sugges-
tions that arose out of that information.
Mr. GIBBON thought the gentlemen who signed the
requisition ought to come forward with some proposition to
accomplish the object for which the meeting had been
called, and he expected that something would have been
done in order to do away with repeated loss of life, which
unfortunately so often occurred to individuals who em-
barked at this port for Liverpool.—(Hear, hear.) If the
proposed facility were established, and the danger attending
the communication with Liverpool got rid of, he thought
they would benefit the city and country at large, far
more than it had been by any proposition entertained in
the Chamber of Commerce for many years ; and he
begged, in conclusion, to remark, that the citizens of Dub-
lin had no right whatever to be satisfied with the present
communication between Dublin and Liverpool as an esta-
blished one.—(Hear.)
Mr. JOHN ASTLE, said, that as one of the requisition-
ists, he thought it would be desirable to send back the
report to the Council, for the special object of calling at-
tention to the extremely inefficient state of Post-office
communication between the two countries ; he begged to
say that, taking into consideration the inefficient state in
which that communication was carried on, it reflected dis-
grace upon the Government. The British Government,
in fact, did nothing for the advancement of steam commu-
nication with this country. The first steam communication
established between the two countries was commenced by
private enterprise. Since that the Transatlantic Steam
Company had been established also by private enterprise.
There was a passage in the Report which had been read
referring to the profits of the present Post-office packets,
but he would contend, that the Liverpool mail conveyance
alone was a quarter of a million loss to the Post-office. He
would conclude, therefore, by submitting that the Report
be referred back to the Council, for the purpose he stated.
Mr. JAMES PERRY said, that he conceived the objects
of the meeting might be classed under two heads : the first
related to what could be done to make the present line of
communication between London and Dublin practically
beneficial ; and, secondly, how that could be improved. The
public here had derived very little by the opening of the
great line of railway at the other side. The subject of an
improved line of communication had been, he believed, dis-
cussed in that room about twelve or eighteen months since,
and he believed it would be practicable, by an improved
line, to bring the present period of communication down
to sixteen hours.—( Hear.) He was well aware that the as
complishment of that measure would be a matter of consi-
derable expense, but then, it should be remembered, that
the incomparable advantage to be gained, not only to this
city, but the country at large, was well worthy of that ex-
pense. He was one of those who waited upon the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, relative to the objects of the last
meeting, and the words of that gentleman were remarkable,
and should not be forgotten, they were as follow :—" Show
me that the thing is practicable, and there is no sum of money
the thing is not worth." Alr. Gibbon alluded to three rail-
way lines, one from Ormeshead, another from Holyhead,
and the third from Port Dynllaen ; the latter to be con-
nected with the Grand Junction line by a railway running
into it near Wolverhampton. Now, it appeared that Holy-
head possessed disadvantages which were insurmountable,
and that Port Dynllaen possessed those advanrag.s which
would enable that class of vessels to be employed which
would effect the communication in the shortest possible
time. With respect to the line of railroad, that line should
be taken which could be traversed in the shortest space of
time, which, if accomplished, the entire distance might be
completed within sixteen hours ; so that the despatch sent
from Dublin at seven o'clock, might be delivered in London
before twelve next day ; and passengers might leave Dublin
after dinner, and arrive in London to a late breakfast the
following morning. In fact, the benefits that would accrue
from such an object being attained, would, in his mind, be
worthy the outlay of any sum. There was, however, a
still more enlarged view of the subject to be taken—he
meant the subject of steam-packet communication for con-
veying the mails between these countries and America—and
it has been proved to be easily attainable—which circum-
stance, he hoped, would ultimately draw the Post-office corn:,
tnunication between Europe and America to the West of
. Irelan,d; and if that be the case, it was important thati
they make the first step in the proceedings a right one, and
• as pet c
fect as possible. While upon that subject, he wished
to say that it was probable that there would shortlyetortebnedaedrs-
L vertisetti ants in the public papers to contractors

ment he perceived references made to Port Dynllaen and
Holyhead, and it was perfectly clear that Holyhead could
not be looked to as a commercial harbour ; and he also
found that Port Dynllaen possessed advantages considerably
beyond anything yet touched on ; and, it appeared that
the courses between Dublin and that harbour would be
W.N.W. and E.S.E., so that during the most prevalent
wind, which was south-west, steamers would be enabled to
steady themselves by the use of sails. It also appeared
that a very eminent officer had made a very strong report
in favour of Port Dynllaen.
Mr. JAMES DAWSON said that he conceived there were
two points before the meeting for its consideration : one
was relative to improving the present system of communi-
cation ; but he did not look it as the ultimate object to
be attained ; and, with respect to the Government, it ap-
peared plain enough that if individuals did not lead the
Government the Government would not lead individuals.
—(Hear, hear.) He might at all events say, that their
Government was behind the age, for it had not given to
the country at large the benefits which the march of science
had afforded. There was no communication so impor-
tant as that which existed between London and Dublin
—(Hear, hear)—and he would recommend that the
Council should forward a petition to Parliament, calling
its attention to a more rapid and accelerated mode of con-
veyance of passengers and mails. What had they to do,
then, but lay out a line from London to the Welch coast ?
Liverpool and-Holyhead were too much to the north, and
Bristol was too much to the south, but Port Dynllaen was
an intermediate station. It, to be sure, was not fit for a
packet station at present, but it could be made so.—
(Hear.) He would advise the Council to petition Parlia-
ment for the appointment of engineers to make a survey of
the capability of Port Dynllaen, for the reception of
first-class steamers.—(Hear.) Why should they be limited
to the Liverpool or Holyhead harbours? They had depth
of water, certainly, in Liverpool, but it was only a tide-
harbour, surrounded by sandbanks, which rendered naviga-
tion difficult and dangerous—(Hear)—which was only to
be overcome by the skill and experience of the parties who
encountered them.—(Hear.) The improvements which he
contemplated were superior to looking to the comparative-
ly insignificant matter of having the mails dispatched at
this hour or that hour.—(Hear, hear.) By this plan the
hours would be cut off; they would not require to wait
for the mid-day or night mail, because the object would
have been gained in the day. By cutting off the time,
they cut off the distance, and made the distance of Dub-
lin from Bath no mere than the latter city from London.
Such improvements were important at the present period,
and would be more so at a future time. " Would the march
of improvement stop at its present perfection ? No ; they
should endeavour to make Ireland the centre of communi-
cation between England and the New World. The ad-
vantages to be obtained by the communication which they
so much desired were endless. It would harmonise the
countries—prevent war—spread civilisation over the whole
globe, and put an end, in a great degree, to political dissen-
sions and anti-national prejudices.--(Hear.) They had
suffered considerably by the Union ; and one of the means
for them to emerge from that situation of suffering was to
shorten the communication with the British metropolis.
He would conclude by moving that it be referred to the
Council of the Chamber of Commerce to prepare a petition
on the subject, to be laid before Parliament.
Sir J. K. JAMES would second the resolution, and in
doing so he begged to say that there could be no more im-
portant document relating to the present objects of the
meeting than page 3 of the document to which he had pre-
viously referred. .tml which was • entitled " Reports of the
Admiralty on the Harbours of Holyhead and Port
Dynllaen."
Mr. PERRY alluded to the advantage to be gained by
using the largest class of steam-vessels, and referred to the
Liverpool, which, be said, upon leaving Kingston, last
Sunday m.►de her passage in ten hours and a quarter,
while the mail-boat took four hours more to accomplish
her passage.—( Hear.)
A resolution was then submitted, to the effect that the
Council should adopt all measures in their power to bring
shout the most rapid communication between London
and Dublin.
Mr. ASTLE said, he would, therefore, adhere to his
original resolution, which was to the effect, that the Report
should be referred back to the Council to point out the de-
fects in the existing steam-packet communication, and call
for their being rectified.
Mr. JOHN M-DONALD said, that he conceived that an
addition might be made to the resolution to the following
effect :—" That in the meantime the Council's attention
should be called, to render available to the country an ac-
celerated mode of communication."—(Hear.)
After which, Mr. Guinness was moved from the Chair,
and Mr. John Power called thereto, when the usual vote of
thanks to the former Chairman was proposed by F. W.
Conway, Esq., and upon being seconded by James Perry,
Esq., passed unanimously.

WATERFORD MEETING.-RAIL-

WAY REPORT.

A meeting, convened by the Mayor, was held at the
Town-hall on Saturday, "to take into consideration the
nature, contents, and recommendations contained in the
Reports of the Irish Railway Commissioners, recently sub-
mitted to Parliament, more particularly as they would, if
carried into operation, affect the city of Waterford, its
trade, and interests, and to adopt such resolutions and
measures in relation thereto ai may appear expedient?'
At half-past one his Worship the MAYOR. was called to
the Chair, and
Mr. John Magrath acted as Secretary.
Mr. JAMES DWYER—The question to be discussed is
which system of railway is most suited to this country, and
I shall briefly submit my views on this matter. I will not,
Gentlemen, recall to your minds the claims which Water-
ford has on Ireland. Waterford has been always fore-
most in forwarding improvements. The distance of
Waterford from Dublin, by the railway survey, is 139
miles. If the railway should be carried on in Ireland,
Waterford would be entitled to her just rights and privi-
leges. Now, the Report of the four Railway Commis-
sioners, if adopted by a British Parliament, would cause
certain injury to Waterford, that great city being quite
thrown in the back ground, instead of being brought fer-
ward as the great commercial depot for the surrounding

counties.
Mr. ROBERT CURTIS proposed the first resolution ;
seconded by Sir BENJAMIN MORRIS--" That her position,
trade, and commerce, entitle Waterford to the shortest
railway communication with the metropolis."
The second resolution was proposed by Mr. MosEs
ROBINSON, and seconded by Mr. COWIN CARROLL, to the
effect that the extensive railway projects contemplated
should be carried on through the four provinces of Ireland
by private enterprise, aided by Parliamentary grants and
loans, in a manner proper to such great national under.
takings.
The Rev. Jour; SHEEHAN said there were two points
on which he wished to receive information. They were not
met to decide on the merits of the plan of Mr. Pierce Ma-
bony, the railway agent. It appeared that when Parliament
granted the Kilkenny and Dublin Act, they restricted the
prosecution of the railway beyond Sallins for one year, so
that the Commissioners might have time to draw up their
Report. The Rev. Speaker wished to know whether it
was the intention of Parliament
to restrict the progress of
the work until the Commissioners' Report had appeared ?
' fie also wished to know whether the estimated profits of

13} per Cent., 3} and 5 per cent., were not mere guess-
work ; or whether they had been founded on experience ?
lar.DWYER—The progress of the railway was restricted
to Sallies only during one year, and not until the Commis-
sioners had made out their Report, which might take a
longer time. The profits had not been estimated by guess-
work, but were calculated on by experience, and on the
opinions of several most eminent engineers.
The Rev. J. SHEEHAN remarked that the Dublin and
Kingstown line did not pay near 13i per cent. The profit
on that Ih-le was calculated by some at 6 per cent., by
others at 2f.
Mr. BALD replied that short railways were not as pro-
fitable as long. The Kingstown line paid 6 per cent.

Mr. MICHAEL J. QulNably replied to the statements
made by Mr. Dwyer, and maintained that private capital
would be insufficient to effect so great an undertaking.
Even if any Company could be formed to engage in the
proposed plan, there would be no security for the com-
pletion of the work. Witness the example of Mr. Dwyer,
who had lost three hundred pounds by a Private Company
which never commenced the Railroad they projected. Be-
sides, it would not be just or politic to place so much power
in the hands of twenty private Directors, over whom the
country would hare no controul. The intercourse of the
whole nation would depend on their mandate.
Mr. F. DAVIS confessed that his views were altered by
the speeches he had heard, and was convinced that Mr.
Quin and he were in unison. It would be well that the
public should have the option of purchasing shares.
Mr. H. DOWNES considered the proposal of Govern-
ment a great god-send to the country, and that the citizens
should do much to promote the undertaking. As to
leaving out the Suir in the Report, he did not think the
citizens should on that account refuse the advantages
offered.

Counsellor HAYEs proposed a resolution that Govern-
nient should be requested to undertake the proposed lines,
and that the public should be allowed to take shares.
It was then carried that the meeting should adjourn to
some day within three weeks, to be fixed by the Mayor,
with four days' notice, in order that the mee'ing might
have an opportunity of hearing the opinion of Mr.
O'Connell, who is expected shortly to visit this city.—
Waterford Mirror.