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London, England, 1836-02-11 00:00:00

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SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock.

PAIPZE IA L PARLIAMENT,
ams EVENING.)

710 USE' OF COMMONS.
"The SPEAKER took the Chair at five minutes to four o'clock.

NEW MF, E
Captain DEANS DUNDAS, the new Member for Devizes,
-was i),trodured by Mr. ANGERSTETN, and took the oaths and
his seat. The Hon. and Gallant Member was loudly cheered
oa corning to the table.

BRIGHTON RAILWAY.
Lord GEORGE LF,NNO X brought up the Report of
-the Standing Orders Committee on the London and Brighton
Railway Bill. They reported that, the Standing Orders had
been complied with.
PRINTING OF BILLS AND FI7RI•IISIIING COPIES.
Mr. BERNAL, after presenting several petitions for private
Bills,l'said that he understood' great complaints had been made
in consequence of a resolution come to by the Committee
. ap-
pointed on the motion of the Hon. Member for Middlesex, by
which only a certain number of every Bill was to be printed,
and Members were only entitled to one copy each ; no matter
whatev.x might be the subject of the 13i'd, the resolution was
imperative, and no Member could have more than one copy.
Those Members who might be desirous, for the sake of their
constituents, to furnish them with a Bill in which they knew
them to be very ranch interested, would have to purchase every
individual copy, and to send it a considerable distance. These
were the circumstances of the ease, and they did not want any
comment.—( Hear, hear.) lie thought it advisable that some
notice should be taken of the subject, and that something
should, be done to remedy the inconvenience, which, he was
sure. neither the Hon. Member for Middlesex, nor the nth--
Mr.nbers of the Committee could have anticipates.—.(,
Sir E. KNATCHBUL 1, entirely agreed wit.):, what had
fallen from the Hon. Member, who had very 'properly intro-
duced this subject to the notice of the Ile;,se.
The SPEAKER had stated, the other day, that when
he had the honour to be chosen t j fill the situation he did,
he had hoped that a Committer: would be appointed to assist
him in these matters; and. *indeed, he thought he was only
acting respectfully towar".,s the House in waiting for the as-
sistance of such Con,,nittee. He had, consequently, during
the last Session, al- stained from making any order respecting
the printing and_ distributing of bills. The only step which
be had taken was to have the papers sold at the cheapest rate
possible.—l So we understood the Right Hon. Gentleman,
who was -:cry inaudible.)
Mr. BARING said that undoubtedly there was some diffi-
culty in the case. Formerly certain offices ,had a certain
quantity of copies of all papers, on which they made a profit,
and it was by this means that the public obtained these papers.
This had been cut away during the last session, and at pre-
sent the public had r.o power to obtain these papers. It was
recommended, last Session, that these papers should he
sold, in conseqw:nce of which the Speaker had given directions
that they sbduld be sold at a very kw rate—indeed at
an extremely low rate. The House must understand
this, tba:.; either there must be a sale of these papers, or, to a
certai".l degree, they must allow Members as many copies as
the,; liked. They must decide between these two points. His
orfn impression was, that if the papers were sold at an ex-
tremely low rate, it would be a very fair means of furnishing
the public.

Mr. E WART could not acquiesce in the opinion of the
Hon. Gentl"man. He did not think that in all instances
persons ought to be put to the expense of purchasing these
papers.—( Hear, hear.) He knew two cases its which applica-
tion was made to him for papers—one was from a Society of
schoolmasters and teachers, who were desirous of possessing
all Parliamentary papers relating to colt:cation. He thought that
if any literary society, who could not afford to pay for such
papers applied for them, they ought to get them without expense.
In the case of Bills, the papers should be had, because other-
wise their constituents would not have an opportunity of know-
ing what was doing in that House.
Mr. SHAW felt the inconver.ience of the rule as it at pre-
sent stood ; and, but for the kindness of the Speaker, he
should be (yesterday) much at a loss for certain papers, which
he required. He submitterl that there should be a great faci-
lity to the public in g.:Ating Parliamentary papers, and the
subordinate officers of the House should not have the
power of selling •:nem. No Member, he thourrht, would ob-
ject to give in s•tch a case a discretion to the Speaker of letting
Members have the documents they wanted.
Mr. HUME was not in the House when the dis-1
cussion r-Jmmenced ; but from what had fallen from
his 11c,n. Friend yesterday, he supposed there \vas
so',ne complaint of the difficulty in obtaining Parlia-
mentary papers. He was a member of the • Commit-
tee, and he could state that in the Report, all Bills and papers
connected with the Session were exempted from the rule. The
objection was to papers connected with past &ssions. There
svere constant applications to the Speaker, and he knew Hon.
Members would be willing to purchase them, rathrt than trouble
the Speaker frequently about such. matters. There were then
no less than two million V.vo hundred thousand papers
in their storehouses, which` no did not doubt, would be anxi-
ously bought by the pr.:Ale. It should be known that there
wet,. offices for the sale of these papers in London at the
10.,v rate of a halli:enny and a penny a sheet, which was
'the actual cost to the Government. Mr. Hansard had an
office, Mr. knight had another, and he understood a third
Was about to be opened within one minute's walk of that
House. If the resolution left any thing doubtful regarding
papers of the present Session, ha believed the Committee
'could be called together, and the doubt cleared up. And
whenever public institutions, or those of a literary nature, re-
quired documents, he was sure there ought to be every facility
afforded them in procuring them.
Sir ROBERT INGLIS read the resolution of the Com-
mittee on this subject.
The SPEAKER said ho felt himself awkwardly situated,
and the question seemed to be whether in the matter he had
an option or not ; but as long as he could, consistently with
dnty, do so, he would give every facility to Members in
communicating with their constituents on the business of that
House. He wished some settled rule were laid down for him
on the subject.
Mr. BERNAL thought it unnecessary to give notice of a
motion on the subject, as the Committee were to meet to-
morrow.
Mr. HUME said as soon as Mr. Speaker called the Com-
mittee together, the matter would be settled.
Mr. COLLIER presented two petitions from Devonport on
the subject of Dissenters grivances and Mr. Buckingham's

SUMMARY CONVICTIOT,:S.
Captain BEECHER moved for a re'turn of the number of
persons committed to prison on sumvaary convictions, by nue
or more Justices in England and *Wales, for the year endinz
Michaelmas, 1835.

Mr. ROEBUCK sugge'Acd that the offence.; for which
/ they were committed shr,uld also be specified in the return
moved for by the Hon. 3lember.
Mr. WAKLEY thought it would be advisable also to pub-
lish the evidence on which they were convicted.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL thought a summ2:7 wou'd be stir-
fic;Jnt.

AGRICULTURAL. ASSOCIATION.
Mr. BENNETT presented a petition frOrt the Central
Agricultural Association of England and 1-,land. The As-
sociation had been established for the 'protection of Agricul-
tural interests, and to represent their 7grievanecs to Parliament.
That was the sole okject of the so.aety. They prayed for a
full and fair inves'.4.,ration into thr: causes of the distress which
affected the agriculturists, ar't he trusted the House would
take the prayer of the petit;.dners into its consideration.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS.
Mr. BLACKJU►INE gave notice that on Monday next be
should move for appointment of a Select Committee to
inquire into the circumstances connected with the election of
Councillors ander the new Municipal Bill for the borough of
Poole, as we understood the lion. Member.

MR. BUCKINGIIAM'SCLXIMS.
Mr. AGLIONR IT presented a petition from Cockcrmouth
in faer.ur of Mr. Buckingham's claims to compensation.
THE DISSENTERS.
Dr. LUSHINGTON presented a pet:don from the eq,,z-
lies of the several congregations of Protet,tent Dissenters re-
siding within twelve miles of London. The petition was
worthy the attention of the Hor.:,e, not merely from the worth,
intelligence, and respectabi!;ty of the individual:, who had
I,:gned it, but also because they represented the feelings and
opinions of 500,000 individuals. They prayed for a removal
of the grievances of whi Jh they had so many years. complained.
I-ha agreed entirely opinion with the petitioners, that the
titre had arrived y Con these grievances should be entirely re-
moved, and that it should be no longer endured that persons
should suffer tne sli.,;hest degree of disability front their
gious opinic..ns. Ho entertained no doubt that the present
Session .vould not be allowed to close without efforts being
made by his Majesty's Government to introduce measures to
,carry int-, effect the wishes of that large and independent body.
Mr. WILKES said the Hon. and Learned Member had
naturally stated that the petition embodied the wishes of ''oo
cer.gregations ; but the petition embraced a subject of cern-
Iptaint, which now appeared for the first time, relative to the
'declaration required to he made tinder the new Municipal Bill.
He had already referred to the declarations required under the
Reform Bill, and in consequence of that declaration, a con-
siderable number of Dissenters had felt themselves bound to
exclude themselves from the Council. He would not at pre-
sent occupy the attention of the House. on this subject ; but
unless the objections or the declarations were amended, he
should feel it necessary to bring a specific motion before the
House on the subject. _

CARLOW ELECTION.
Mr. HARDY, and several Members rose together—the
latter gentlemen gave way, and the Hon. Member for Brad-
ford said he rose to ask leave to bring. forward a ease to 'the
i attention of the House, which nvolved, as it appeared to him,
points of the greatest importance—points which, m his opinion,
entitled it, to the preference of the notices of motion
before the House. He adopted the present course, because
it involved an attack upon a Member of that kloue, accusing
him of trafficking with seats in that House, and which if proved
would certainly involve that Hots. and Learned Member
in considerable difficulty.—( Cheers.) All that he at present
asked from the House ;vas that he might have leave to bring
it forward before any of the other subjects that stood for
deliberation.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he was only anxious upon
the present occasion that the House should adopt that course
which was most convenient, and in order to show the Hon. Gen-
tleman no other wish, he would tell him that it was his intention
to postpone those motions of which he had given notice till to-
morrow. The Hon. Member would therefore understand that
iu bringing forward his
he had no wish whatever to stop