The Sun.
London, England, 1838-07-03 00:00:00

SPAIN.

Sir ROBERT PEEL wished to ask the Noble Lord op-
posite whether he had rightly understood him to say, on a
former evening, that with respect to the Spaniards ( Carlists)
detained in Portugal, they would be discharged upon their
giving an assurance that they would not take any part in the
civil contests going on in Spain ?
Lord PALMERSTON had stated that an offer had been
made by !he Portuguese Government to make an exchange of
prisoners, but that had been declined, and he had that morning
received a letter from the Ambassador at Madrid stating, that
an application had been made to Don Carlos respecting this ex-
change, but that he would only consent to it on the ground that
all the Carlists that had been taken prisoners during the war
should be released.

MIDDLESEX MAGISTRATES.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wished to ask the Noble Lord, the
Secretary for the Home Department, whether he was aware
of the practice of the Middlesex Magistrates, of com-
mitting vagrants to the House of Correction, who were
in a state of insanity or in the last stage of sickness. The
Visiting Magistrates had made a report, wherein it was stated
that six Poles had been sent to the House of Correction, and
subjected to solitary confinement from one month to two months,
who were decidedly in an insane state.
IRISH REGISTRATION OF VOTERS' BILL (N 0.1.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, in reply to Mr. Sergeant
Jackson that he would state the intentions of the Government
respecting this Bill in a day or two.
On the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL that the House
go into Committee upon the Irish Tithe Bill,
Sir ROBERT PEEL said that he perceived it would be
impossible for him to get the Controverted Elections' Bill
through Parliament in this Session; and although be regarded
it as an important measure, he thought that as it could not be
passed, he ought to withdraw it until next Session.—( Hear.)
Tho ATTORNEY-GENERAL had to make a similar
announcement respecting the Copyhold and Practice Bills.
Sir J. GRA HAM asked what was intended to be done with
the Registration of Voters Bill ?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL considered the measure
of so much importance, that it was desirable to pass it, if
possible.—( Hear.)
Sir J. GRAHAM was understood to say, that it could
not be gone through with at this advanced period of the
Session.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it was quite certain that
some Bills which were in progress, could not be passed dur-
ing the present session. But he thought that they ought to
proceed with all the important Bills, which there was a chance of
passing, whilst a sufficient number of Members could be kept
in town. He thought that by giving the mornings of two
days in the week to Bills and Committees in Bills much pro-
gress might be made. The Noble Lord then wished
to know if the House would object to morning sittings on
Tuesdays and Thursdays ?—( No, no.) If that were the case,
he feared Bills of a very important character would not pass
during this Session.
Sir R. PEEL said the Noble Lord's conclusion was rather
hastily drawn. He ( Sir R. Peel) did not positively object to
the Noble Lord's proposition.
In answer to Lord MAHON,
Lord J. RUSSELL said the Government Controverted
Elections Bill would also be withdrawn.
In answer to Sir J. GRAHAM,
Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE said he meant to carry through
his Bill respecting the commutation of tithes this Session, if
possible.

IMPRISONMENT FOR D EBT BILL.
Mr. HAWES asked if it were intended really to go on with
his Bill during the present Session ?—( Hear.)
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said it was his earnest
desire to move the second reading of the Bill as loon as pos-
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TITHES (IRELAND) BILL.
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The Order of the Day having been read for going into
Committee on the Tithes (Ireland) Bill,
Mr. WARD rose to bring before the House the resolution
of which he had given notice. He said, that a man who
entertained strong feelings on any subject, as he did on
this, and had not the courage to express those feelings,
had no pretensions to claim a scat in the Legislature :
and from the first moment he became aware of the policy
which he thought it was the intention of her Majesty's
Government to pursue, he intimated to the Noble Lord his
fixed determination to take the course which he was now
about to pursue ; and he must say that he had too strong a
sense of his duty, as a Member of this House, and too great a
value for its time, to enter into the discussion of a question
which it was not his determination to press to a division. He
would now come at once to his resolution, the tendency
of which was to induce the House to consider the course upon
which it was about to enter—a course which lie conceived was
wholly incompatible with any regard to its consistency and cha-
racter. Why should tisey be called upon to abandon a policy
which had been proclaimed to be essential during. every Session
since 1835? It was not with a view of gaining any paltry
triumph that he brought forward this motion, but it was to
show those with whom he now acted the principles on which
he and some Hon. Gentlemen had acted in 1835. It was to
them more than to gentlemen on the opposite side that he ad-
dressed his arguments. While he differed from gei.tlemen
opposite yet he respected their consistency, for many of them
had sacrificed that which they had attained by their honour-
able ambition, the possession of office, rather than sacrifice
their consistency. But for those principles, the Government
of Lord Grey would not have been broken up ; but for
these principles, the Government of the Right Hon. Baronet
opposite would not have been stormed; and it was on those
principles on which the Government of Lord Melbourne
stood, in the years 1835 and 1836.—( Hear, hear, hear. )
In 1836 the Noble Secretary for Ireland said that the Church
in that part of the Kingdom was is a bloated condition, in-
which it could only be maintained by blood, and that the
good which it was capable of effecting was not worth
so high a price —( Hear, hear.) There was not a single con-
stituency in the kingdom to which, in the election of 1837,
the Libi ral candidates did not put forward, as their strongest
claim, the superior policy of the present Administration
in respect to Ireland ; and especially in reference t..)
the appropriation principle. He might be told that in that
election the result was u:,favourable to the principle. It was
true the majority was diminished ; but still there was a
majority is favour of the resolution of 1835; and it ought
nut to be abandoned —( Hear.) Oa the motion of the Hon.
Baronet the Member for North Devon, brought forward in
the present Session, to rescind the resolution, a clear majority
of the House had recorded its opinion in favour of the resolution.
Why should it now be departed from ?—( Hear, hear.) He
( Mr. Ward) heard his Hon. Friend the Secretary for Ireland
talk on that occasion of " Tory snares," and caution Hon.
Members from falling into them. But the Noble Lord had
since fallen into a Tory snare' on the Municipal Bill, and
he was not yet disengaged from it.—( Hear, hear, and a
laugh ) He ( Mr. Ward) was toll that he was acting un-
fairly in bringing this motion forward. How could he (Mr.
Ward) with propriety after calling the Irish Church a " na-
tional lie"—after characterizing it as national only in
the nationality of its injustice—how could he at
the beck of any Government vote for a measure
merely giving that Church a new title ? How could lie
vote fur any measure not honestly and sincerely carrying out
the appropriation resolutions ?—(llear, hear, hear.) On
what plea were these resolutions to be abandoned ?
The Noble Lord ( Russell) had formerly talked of the inclinatio