The Sun.
London, England, 1849-07-31 00:00:00

ffairs of the country were carried on by local self-

government. while the central Government was never
allowed to interfere in any way. The representatives
were elected by the ne Ines, as they were called, but ivho,
in reality, were not:erne; more than freeholders. Since that
time things have been so altered that every body has a
vote, with some qualification.— (Cheers.) I do not pre-
tend that they have get universal suffrage there.—
(Hear.) I do not ray so—but we say that they have
proeressil, and we arc qiiite aware that they are de-
termined to proceed in their onward career.—(Cheers.)
Those repreeentatives were so elected, and the electors
had the right of callieg upon them to resign their seats
if they do not act to their satisfaction.—(Cheers.) An-
other feature in the Goverment of Hungary hes been
the complete triumph of religious as well as civil liberty.
—(Loud cheers.) There is no difference as to creed,—
(Loud cheers)—there is no exelthion on account
of any religious faith ; and for some time
there was that perfect equality of all Christian
creeds, and lately they have put the crown to it dl by
finally and completely emancipating also the Jews.—
(Cheers.) And, bestdes this, I may tell you that in the
present Government of Hungary, the constitutional
national Government, with Kossuth at its head, there
are men of every religious persuasion. The Minister
of Public Instruction is certainly a Roman Catholic
bishop, but his secretary is a Protestant. That is the
way that Ott:4s are carried on in that country, and I think
you will say that is the right way—(Hear, hear)—and
besides this, no country has ever been so much attached
to free trade as Huneary.—(ltoud cheers.) Ift there-
fore, thin nation is calculated to excite our sympathies
on account of its civil and religious liberty—on account
of its good institutions, with regard to local self-govern-
ment, and in other respects, it also ought to enlist all
our commercial sympathies by its supporting and pro-
moting the principle of free trade—(Cheers) and it
would be a most important benefit to this country. Upon
a strictly selfish erineiple, we ought to desire to see
Hunger.), independent, for there would be immediately
legge opening for our manufactures, and a trade would
spring up between Great Britain and Hungary which
would have the effect of enriching the inhabitants of both
countries, and promoting the welfare of all.—(Loud
cheering.) And is it not intol,rable—is it not enough to
make one's blood boil, to think that at this very time
those perfidious Austrians—(Hisses)—and those butchers
of Rossi:—(Hissing)—are all leaguing together in an
unholy and interne! alliance in order to put down this
brave and glorious and gallant people?—(Loud cheers.)
We may condemn them out of their own mouths—
we have only to read their own proclamations.—(Hear,
hear.) I this day read in the Times newspaper.— (Lend
groaning and hissing, and a great uproar.) Gentlemen,
I am quoting to you the words of the Austrian General
himself, reported this day in that paper which I have
mentioned, an official bulletin.—(Hisses.) Well, what
do you think ol• that great man—that man whom I can
only describe as the butcher Haynau? He has come
into the Hungarian town Pesth, and he says to the people
—"
Doomed to death ere all"—(this is not pronounced,
but it is deliberately written and printed—" who take
part with the Hungarians." Now, listen. "Of what-
' ever age, of whatever sex."—(Hisses,) That is not all.
It goes on—" Doomed to death are all, of whatever age,
of whatever sex, who circulate any false rumours in oe-
half of the rebels."—(hisses.) I do not think it is pos-
sible to conceive anything more base, bloody minded, or
brutal than this.—(Hear. hear.) But I am happy
to think that this is likely to be impotent rage,
because those bravo Hungarians have by this
time well beaten General Haynau— (Cheers)—and all the
the other generals who have attempted to resist them—
(Prolonged cheering)—Haynau, Wielden, Windisehgratz
—all of them—all these minions of despotism have btea
beaten by the brave Hungarians.—(Cheers.) The Rus-
sians have been called in, but it has only been .to be
beaten.--(Loud cheering.) Tile gallant Pena—(Voci-
ferous cheering)—from the first day that he met with
the Russians, remembered his old habit when he used to
meet them in Poland.—(Loud cheers.) He gave them a
beating then—he drove them out of Transyl-
vania—he has beaten them in encounter after
encounter; and, please God, aided by his gal-
lant countrymen, Dembinski, he will succeed
in driving het h Austrians and Russians back
to their own country, and in establishing the indepen-
dence of Hungary.—(Cheers.) Yes, gentlemen,
you will help these gallant fellows—(Great
cheering) —you will cheer their spirits—you
will send them moral support, if yen insist
upon the Government of this country recognizing their
independence.—(Continued cheering.) Speak out—let
the men of Marylebone speak out—(Cheers)—and tell
the Government—tell Lord Palmerston—(Cheers)—that
he could do nothing mere agreeable to the people of this
country than to give at lease his moral support to the
people of Hungary.—(Cheers.) Gentlemen, I will tell
you, as I have mentioued Lord Palmerston, an anecdote
about that Noble Lord.—(Hear, hear.) I will not go
hack to the pages of history—l will tell you an anecdote
which dates this very day. I happened to be this morn-
ing at the Waterloo station when the train was depart-
ing. Her Majesty's Ministers had this day to go down
to Osborne to wait upon her Majesty; they came up to
the train, and just after the train had set off arrived a
carriage full gallop, and in it was Lord Palmer-
ston.—(Laughter.) He was too late for the train.—
(Renewed laughter.) It was necessary for him
to go. He did not know what he was to
do—but in a moment he jumped upon an engine, and
with the engine he set off.—(Cheers and laughter.)
%Veil now, Gentlemen, let Lord Palmerston ride on the
engine of public opinion.—(Vociferous chewing.) Let
hire not stop for the first class—(Laughter)—let him
take the advice of meetings such as these. He will then
overtake and surpass all other Ministers.— (Cheers.) He
will consult for the advantage of his own country and
the welfare of Hungary and of Europe.—(Cheers.)
Gentlemen, I have detained you a great deal too long
in opening the business of the day —(No, no; go on.)
I did not mean to have said half so much. I shall now
hasten to call upon gentlemen who have been kind
enough to say they will take a part in the proceedings
of the day to move the resolutions; but before
I resume my seat, permit me to say this—
I feel exceedingly anxious for the success of this
Marylebone meeting.—(Hear and cheers.) I feel a per-
sonal pride in it. I am anxious that it should not be se-
cond except in date to the one held the other day in the
City.—(Cheers.) I am anxious that it should sot an ex-
ample to all other meetings; and, therefore, I am most
desirous that nothing should occur to trouble the good
order of the proceedings,—(Hear, hear.) Be assured of
this—We have enemies, we hive emissaries of Russia
and of Austria watching us closely—(Hear and hisses)—
and ready, if we stumble in the slightest degree to pro-
claim it to the world, and to turn it to our shame.—
e'e
(Hear.) Therefore, let us show an example how the
men ohte r MaryleboneLt u s
can
act
backward
asrudc great
expressing occasions.and
not be
expressing strongly our opinion and sentiment, but let
us do it all with perfect good order.—(Cheers.) I f)r
my part, shall endeavour to do my duty impartially
firmly in the chair, and I am certain that you will all do
yours.—(Bravo, and long continued cheering.)
Mr. fiumE then presented himself to move the first
resolution, and was received with much applause. He
said he had attended there that day to express his ad-
miration of the gallant conduct of the Hungarians, and
he was glad to see so numerous a meeting assembled in
their bob elf.—(Cheers.) He was pleased at that nume-
rous assembly, because on other occasions, when nations
had broken asunder the bonds that bowed them down,
he had seen equally numerous assemblages in that
parish to congratulate them on the event. In 1830 he
presided at a meeting, held not far from that place, which
had for its object the congratulating the French people
on the success which had attended them in the assertion
or their rights, and on having driven from their shores
those who had attempted to tyrannise over theei.—
(Cheers.) He hoped the 'meeting would be productive
of beneficial results. At the distance they were from
Hungary they could do little more than express their
sympathy for those Hungarians who were struggling for
their rights against such odds—ah, struggling against
odds that would daunt almost the bravest than; yet,
from the accounts they received from day to day of the
head they were meltieg against those odds, and
when they were also told that almost every male in Hun-
gary was in arms against the oppressors of that coun-
try, he thought there was ground for hope that Hun-
gary would maintain her ground. If one country
more than any other ought to sympathise with
them in that struggle it was this country. Here they
were enjoying liberty, but it had only been attained
after many years of struggle.—(Hear, hear.) They
had done much in the way of reform, but they had yet
more to do— (Cheers)—and they ought, therefore, to
have a fellow feeling for those who were not so fortunate
as themtelves, and who were being run down by—he
would not call them butchers, but barbarians from the
north, and whose mevernent to the south was intended
to stifle and put down that representative system which
alone was calculated to give relief to nations. For him-
self, he was anxious to see people enjoying all the rights
it was possible for them to enjoy under a free govern-
ment; and while he had no doubt that the meeting fully
agreed with him in sympathising with the Hungarians,
he would take the liberty to throw out a suggestion. In
1830, when they adopted the address to the French
people, they sent a deputation to Paris to present it.
Now, why could not the same plan be carried out in the
present ease?— (Loud cheers.) Why should not some
of their friends go to Hungary, and tender the sympa-
thies of the people of England to the noble Hungarians?
—(Cheers.) lie only wished that he had more time, and
was a little younger, and he would go himself.—(Loud
cheers.) But when he locked around him on that plat-
form he was satisfied there would be no want of men to
go—(Cheers)—and, should it be agreed upon, he thought
it would have a very good effect. He trusted, at all
events, that the people of this country would do their
utmost to aid the Hungarians, and would conclude by
moving " That this meeting regard with sincere admira-
tion, respect, and sympathy the noble determination of
the Hungarien nation to maintain intact their just rights
and the constitutional independence they have inherited
from their fathers, against the tyrannical encroachments
of Austrian despotism."—(Cheers.)
Mr. JOHN CASSELL seconded the resolution. He was
happy to see so numerous a meeting of the people of
Marylebone assembled to) express their detestation of
this barbarous and unjust war, waged by Austria and
Russia against the Hungarians. He trusted that a war
,0 unjust would call forth the unanimous expression of
the people of England, and that, so far as their moral in-
!thence could go, they would exert it in favour of the
ilungarians. Rapine, murder, fir,,, and :laughter close
r ehterised the onward march of the Russian and Aus-
trian forces, But, • •
t ank God, it was rot a victorious
:search, for tt-
e gallant Bern, Dembinsky, and Geoegey
had given "
them
a severe check.—(Cheers.) It was Ml-
poesible for theee barb
Hungary.
(Cheers.)
:weans to put down the people or
kurt ,p ets.) But why was all this chastise-
ment manifested towards them? II
ieyal to tapir saint ?ad they been dis-
aeo such thing, tor they had
tle
often risen in tence of the Crown of Austria. But
iiunrry was fighting for its just rights, in regard
to which Austria hail no more right to interfere with
, her than had this country a right to interfere with the

rights of the people of Hanover. The whole quarrel had
arisen from appointing Jellachich, who was a colonel i❑
the Italian army, Ban of Croatia, which could not have
been legally done without the consent of the Hungarian
Government, but which had been persisted in by the
Austrian Government, notwithstanding its illegality.
Such was the state of things when Radetzky was suc-
cessful, and the Austrian Court threw off the disguise.
The Austrian troops united with the rebels, but Jena-
ehich got a good dressing, and the Hungarians took ten
thousand prisoners. So far as the question between
Hungary and Austria was concerned, the matter was
settled, but the Russians then stepped in, and the Hun-
garians declared for independence. Was she not right
in doing so, and was it not their duty to assist her in
her noble effort? Ho trusted that public opinion would
be brought to bear on the sentiment uttered by Mr.
Cobden with respect to the Russian loan. He could not
believe that the house of Rothschild meditated the loan,
or that they would take any step to facilitate the opera-
tions of Austria in crushing the spirit of independence
which so happily had sprung up in Hungary, and which
the brave Hungarians were so nobly struggling to main-
tain. Mr. Cassell concluded by recommending the
adoption of petitions in every district of the country,
calling on the Government to recognise the independence
of Hungary.—(Cheers )
Mr. MONCKTON MILNES expressed his gratification at
the admirable historical statement they had just beard
from Mr. Cassell, of what was going on in Hungary.
It would be unnecessary for him to travel over the
ground which had been so ably occupied by that gentle-
man. What they wanted was the assurance of sympathy
with the gallant cause, and the more they differed on
other subj,,cts, the more valuable was their opinion in
agreeing on this.—(hear.) He certainly should not have
been present that evening if they had met to interfere
in the internal affairs of any other state of Europe. He
believed that non-intervention was the right English

princip!e, and if that principle had been more rigidly
adhered to, it would have saved them considerable
ffi diculty and trouble. If the contest had remained be-
tween Hungary and Austria it would be a civil war, not
unlike to civil wars which they had before witnessed ;
and though no doubt their sympathy would be expressed
on the side of constitutional freedom, yet they should
not, in his humble judgment, be justified in a meeting
of the kind they then held. All the misfortunes of the
exisCng state of things had arisen from interference.
France had interfered with Rome.—(Groans.) Why
had not the Romans been allowed to settle their own

a ffeirs?—(Hear, hear.) In the one case it was better
that they should be left to themselves; but in the case of
Hungary it was different, and called for their most active
sympathy and interest. Why, simply for this reason,
that the Emperor of Austria having been beaten in
Hungary, called in the as istance of 200,000 foreign
troops to crush the Hungarians.—(Hear, hear.) Let
them suppose a civil war between England and Ireland,
and that the English Government called on 200,000
troops to crush the Irish people, what would they think
of such a proceeding ?
A Voice—" They did so before."
He protested against the Hessian invasion of Hungary.
He had no objection to urge against the Russians, or any
other state, so long as they remained at home, but when
Austria broughto her aid 200,000 foreign troops, to put
down freedom in Hungary, all the balance of power was
destroyed, and the people of the western world, who
asserted constitutional liberty, would not stand by in
peace and see a great and gallant people destroyed by
the mere brute iorce of a foreign nation. This was the
reason why he appealed to English faith. He advocated
the cause of a people deprived, not of the forms, but of
the absolute sense of freedom, and their restoration to
that free and independent position given them by the
treaty of Vienna, which, if the present state of things
was allowed to exist, would be nullified and destroyed.
Mr. KEYZOR, amidst some confusion, wished to speak
to the resoltrion, but it was some time before he could
obtain a hearing. At length, when silence was partially
restored, he expressed a hope that the bull dogs of Eng-
land would endeavour in this glorious struggle to keep
the Russian bear at bay.—(Cheers.) Let the great lion
of Englend arouse himself, and placing one paw on the
shoulder of the Russian bear, and another upon the
shoulder of the Austrian wolf, telt them that they should
go no further in the crusade against the breve tiger of
Hungary.—(Laughter and cheers.) Hungary had the
sympathy of all England, Ireland, and Scotland—of Jew
and Gentile alike. God had blessed their cause with
success, and if they continued to maintain a brave front,
prosperity must remain with them.—(Cheers.) Some-
thing had been said about Rothschild negotiating a loan
for Russia; but, as a Jew, be came forward to express
his belief that Baron Rothschild would never disgrace
his name and cereer by advancing money to put down so
glorious a struggle.
Upon Sir De Lacy Evans presenting himself, great
confusion prevailed.
The CHAIRMAN said he hoped they would support
the chair ; if they did not there would be an end of the
meeting, and the enemies of Hungary would triumph.—
(Cheers.) Those who interrupted the order of the pro•
ceedings were not friends to the cause.—(Cheers.) Did
they wish to hear Sir De Lacy Evans or not ?—(Cries
of " Yes," and continued cheering.)
Sir DE LACY Evares again presented himself in front
of the hustiees, and was received with a volley of cheers.
He said there were subjects upon which, perhaps, he had
not given everybody that satisfaction which he could
wish to have done; but the cause which had now called
them together, and which was the immediate business
before them, had his cordial co-operation, because it
was a cause in support of which he had the
honour of shedding his bloode—(Loud cheers)
and now he came there, if he came for anything, to
support by moral, if not by other means, the cause of
liberty abroad.—(A. Voice—" You have not supported
it.") He did support that cause, and he would tell them
the result of it— (Cheers)—he did not shrink from that.
Hungary he wished to speak of, but he begged to be
understood as supporting the cause of liberty in every
foreign country.—(Cheers end hisses,) A gentleman in
the meeting challenged him that he had not supported
that cause abroad; he now declared that he had—
(Cheer.s)—he supported it in Spain, and he would tell
them the result, not so much with regard to himself
as for the purpose of showing that by giving their sup•
port to the foreign policy of Lord Palmerston, they
might possibly contribute to the emancipation of
other nations besides that to which the taeeting
more particularly referred.—(Cheers.) Now, what was
the result? The English Government, Lord Palmerston
himself, and others were taunted for assisting in that
cause. But it had triumphed; and that day Spain was a
proof of the good which had resulted from it.—(Hear,
hear, and cheers.) Who could know the matter better
than he did?—(Cheers.) A Cortes had been sitting at
Madrid fur the last seven months; there freedom of de-
bate had existed; and the Cortes had been prorogued as
our Parliament was about to be, and the last Act which
they passed was a free trade Act—(Cheers)—and now
a freer Press existed in Madrid than was to be found in
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—(Cheers.) lie was quite willing to admit.
the general principle that they had no right
to interfere with the concerns of other nations,
but there were many exceptions, and righteous excep-
tions, to it.—(Cheers.) He should like to know if the
principle of noninterference were never to be deviated
from, in what state this great and powerful nation would
be at the present moment ?—(Cheers.) He would re-
mind them that 150 years ago we were in want of foreign
aid to support our liberties in this country—(Hear)—
and it was through the assistance of that noble and ex-
alted friend of Britain, William the Third, that foreign
troops were brought over here to assist us in establishing
our liberties. There was no more conspicuous proof in
ali history thin that, that there were just and righteous
exceptions to the principle of non•interference.—(Hear,
hear.) That maxim, therefore, ought not to be pushed
too far. But he was not there to advocate war ; his de-
sire was to humbly offer an expression of his concur•
reuco in the propriety of publicly expressing
their sympathy with the Hungarians.—(Cheers.)
The first consideration, before even offering any moral
assistance with respect to squabbles or wars between
foreign countries, was, on which side did justice lie ?
The able speeches which they had just heard, and the
able speeches that were delivered last week, had pointed
out, if the press had not amply done so before, that
justice laid completely and exclusively on the side of
Hungary.—(Cheers) But if there had been any doubt
upon that point, the events which had occurred were
striking prools that the Hungarian people were united,
and whoever heard of a contest in which a whole nation
were united that had not for its object a just and holy
cause?—(Cheers.) What were the proofs? They had
heard an admirable analysis, or resume, of the military
operations in Hungary; he would not trouble them with
any observations upon that subject, but he might be
permitted to give a short resume of the political
part of the question. Hungary, it was admitted
on all hands, had possessed her constitution 800 years.
It was supposed, however, to be too aristocratic, but
within the last fifteen months; that illustrious man Kos-
suth, and others, had resolved that it should be reformed
and made more popular, and they had already been told
by Mr. Cassell that universal suffrage now very nearly
prevailed in Hungary. But what did Austria do ?
Austria declared that Hungary no longer possessed an
independent Government, and that it was to form part
of a confederation that was to ba governed from Vienna.
Where was the justice or the parallel ? Why it had no
parallel in any other case. Austria was the revolu-
tionist.—(Cheers.)
.Then his Hon. Friend, Mr. Milnes,
had stated, that if Russia had not interfered, there
would not have been ample cause, or any cause at all for
them to manifest their opinions. He must confess that
he differed with him ; that interference had certainly
aggravated the question extremely, and added immense
importance and gravity to it (Hear, hear)—
but without that interference, it was their
duty as free men to express their sympathies for
the Hungarian people.—(Cheers.) The contest of Hun-
gary end the Government of Vienna was not a civil
war; it was a war of the Hungarian nation against a
Sovereign and his sattelites at Vienna, who dared to
assume the right to put down the government which the
people had established. It was not a civil war but an
infamous attempt on the part of Austria and the Cabinet
of Vienne.—(Hear, hear.) Well, then, if that be so, if
justice be on the side of the Hungarians, was it not
fair and proper for other nations to express their sym-
pathy, and even to do more—(Loud cheers)—but, at all
events to recommend their governments to acknowledge
the de facto Government of Hungary.—(Cheers.) This
was no novel proposition, it had been done again and
again by different Administrations and by different
statesmen in this country. In the case of Belgium the
Whigs acknowledged the de:facto Government, which
was to Occupy the place of the old race
oe the B ,ur'e u.---(A cry "I) —n the _ Whig,"

and laughter.) Well, the Whigs had had their
backslidings, but he hoped, as it was said they were
made of squeezable materials—and that was one of the
beet qualities theypoacseed—that they would be able to