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fidencein them. The Noble Lord then took a re-
view of some of the leading Members, as having
come into power on principles in direct contradiction
to the measure of Catholic Concession, to which they
were personally pledged, and concluded with givini;
his hearty support to the original motion, wiech, if
agreed-to, would be followed at no very distant inter-
val by se%reral others.
General CRAwFORD explained.
Mr. Secretary C.diVA7NO was not surprised on
a notion brought forward to turn out an Admini-
stration, that thoSe who supported it should wish to
drown by clainoin what the Ministers had to say
in their defence. • But however reludant. he might
be to trespass. on the' time of the House at. that late
hour (near four o'clock), and in the exhausted state
of the House, he should not be deterred from offer-
ing what he had to urge in his vindication. The
Noble Lord's speech seemed.to-place him in.a state
/of retrospective responsibility for-CoUnCils which he
could not be acquainted with, and for that dismissal-
which was the consequence of his .own suicidal aa.
If he were to follow the course:that . had been pur,
sped up to the. speech of the.. Noble he should.
contend. what had not been denied en .either side,
. that this question was an issue between the King
and his late Ministers. This was the first instance
since the time of Charles, that a Sovereign had been
brought to the Bar of Parliament. Their prede-
cessors had by their own ads -rendered their-disinis-
salUnavoidable ; and he denied that he otiany of his
colleagues had given any councils on the occasion, or
had intrigued to get their places. •. On the' contrary,
they had laboured to prevent the confusion that ent
sued from the measures that' had been adopted. In
'Whatever way the Bill should be disposed of, he did
not think it desirable that a -change of 'Admini-
stration should take place in consequenceof it.- But
when his Sovereign was without a Ministry, and
had called upon him for his services, he did not con-
ceive himself at liberty to refuse ; nor ,did he la-
ment. the part he had taken. As to the circum
stances that caused a change of Government, :he
did not think -that there was any intention to de-
ceive his Majesty. •He should not impute bad
motives'to any Man but though there was no inten-
tion to deceive, there was too ranch misunderstanding
in the progress of that transadion. . When his Majesty
had declared that he would not go a step beyond the
.Mt of 1793, it oughts -to have. excited the attention
of his Ministers, and: they should then have dis-
tinctly explained what *as meant tube cOnceded.by
the measure. ,For.his part be should prefer grauf-
lag to the Catholics what was refused by the Bill, and
withholding what . the Bill conceded. He would
Sooner give the Civil distindion'than the sword; As
to the call of the' Noble Lord upon him, he should
answer, that he did wish to-inns.) his condud on the
model of that great man,his late Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. Pitt). The Noble Lord had assumed that he
. was of the same opinion with himself on' the subjet
of this Bill ; but the Noble Lord had.nd right to
judge of him but from his public votes in Parliament.
He had given but one vote on this question,, and
that was in t so t, with Mr: Pitt, against the Catholic
Petition: But the condua of his late Right Hon.
Friend, when he went out of office because he could
not carry the great measure he proposed; could not
be better-illustrated thin by 'comparing it with that
of the late Ministers. The Right Hon. Gentleman
here called the 'attention of the House td the stipu-
lations claimed by the late Ministers, that they should
be all Owed to recommend one policy whilst they
pUrsued another. The terms upon which they Wished
0) hold their offices were, that they should he al-
lowed to propose measures that they might after
wards abandon them. The yearly moving of the
question would have the etre& -of making-au unfair
division of the popularity and odium. The. oditun
would be great, and all fall,to the Crown ; the,hene-
fit would be small, and that theCathelics- might
have ; but the wholeot the popularity the Ministers
were to have. The Noble Lord had told higl'Of the
majority he should have, and of the vexatious rao:'.
tuns that were to follow. But why waste his ma-
jorities ? If sufficient to carry vexatious motions to
embarrass his Majesty's Government, they Would
a fortiori ivh sufficient for the relief of his Majesty's
subjects ; the Noble Lord ought, therefore, to _daddy
his original measure. I't had been said tliht no no..
tine had been given of an exculpatory statement on
after several, partial publications had. taken place;
:• butthis he denied. The Noble. L9rd had asserted;
that the late change had been, effeCted by.secret ads
viSers ; and added, that Lord. Eldon lad _been, on the
Saturday week preceding at Windsor with his Ma-
jesty. The Noble Lord must lulow,. however, that
that Noble Lord had gone down -fin a tokelly distinet
subjea.; aqd that he ,had an interview„nuill, Lord
peaville, by.
his own appointment, on :his, ,„„ing,o
Windsor, when he stated to him., tile, eb.jeli,of,,bia
visit ; and assured him Upon; his honour,. that no-
thing tnrther had, been mentioned- As tothe
Duke at the ,Ilead of his „Majesty:s,Goverrnent, his
Right Hon.. Friend, .and himself, . could. equally
state, that they hadnot been concerned .attrin.
. tripe.. When be. had been first applied, to, be.
had given intimation of a Misunderstanding' to a
quarter, for which, notwithstanding political dif.
tereuces, lie should. ever. feel the highest respe&.
—This, he believed, was the :first. intimation that
bad been received of the misunderstanding of Lords
Grenville and Howick with „the King. He: had
trusted that the misunderstanding might be adjusted -;••
and he had always' been of opinion, that a Govern.--
mem composed of all the parties' in the country,
• would be the most beneficial to the nation, l'his,
principle he had supported equally-on both sides of
the House, and would sacrifice an.y thing to it *but
his independence or his honour. His Right. Hon.
Friend, when applied to, had also given intimation
of the circumstance in the quarter,wi:b which he
in the habit of communicating ; .and the Noble
Duke had, in the first instance, recommended to. his
Majesty to reconsider his .41s:termination. He was
, ready to beat.his full share of the responsibility, for
what he considered an act of justice to. Lord Mel-
ville, it was an ate bf justice towards him that
would hare come better from any quarter: had
,
been said that the question was one between the Old
And the New 'Ministers. But the feeling in the
town and in the country shewed that it was a ques
tion between the...K.ing and Ins late Ministers : and,
whatever. might ,be the decisive, he thanked God
there was an appeal from the bar-of the CommOris
to the Nation. .7.khe discussion and vorrespoddeme '
that had taken place, however, bad ithswn his Ma-
jesty to be not only as Competent' as any amongst
thenaselves to the iliscusvion of $11(1 most