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London, England, 1838-03-15 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF COMMONS, MARcn 14.
The SPEAKER took the chair at the usual hour.
CARLOW BOROUGH ELECTION.
Colonel WOOD, as chairman of the Carlow Borough Elec-
tion Committee, reported to the House that W. H. Maule,
Esq., was duly elected, and that neither the petition of Francis
Bruen and others, nor the opposition thereto, were frivolous

or vexatious.
MONTGOMERY CANAL BILL.
Mr. CLAY moved the second reading of the Montgomery-
shire (Western Branch) Canal Bill.
An Hos. MEMBER on the Opposition benches made an ob-
.

servation against the Bill.
Mr. CLAY said he had no personal interest in the Bill.
The object of the Bill was to enable the Proprietors of the
Canal to raise their tolls, as those at present existing were
found to be totally inadequate to the carrying on of the
works ; the inhabitants of the town where the canal termi-
nated were in favour of the Bill. In September last a meeting
of the inhabitants of Newton was held, at which resolutions
were passed, declaring their approbation of the Bill.
These resolutions were passed by those parties who
would have to pay the increased rates; yet they felt
that it would only be justice to those who laid out
their money upon the speculation for the benefit of the town
should have some remuneration. In the article of coals alone,
the canal had reduced the price 93. a ton, which had proved
a saving of 4,0001. a year to the town. Of those who were
to be affected by the Bill, out of a population of (5,000, 900
had petitioned in favour of the Bill. He would consider
indeed singular if the Bill were to be thrown out
w upon
second reading, and not be sent to a Committee, here its
merits might be inquired into. •
Mr. WYNN said the canal was not made for Newport
alone, but for the surrounding country, and many pro-
prietors whom he knew had taken shares with no other
hope of remuneration than the benefit of their tenants.
It appeared to him that. if the House sanctioned that Bill it
would be making a precedeut of which it seemed to be unaware.
He knew not on what grounds they could refuse to allow any
other speculation which might turn out be unsuccessful an in.
crease of toll. If speculators came to the House and said,
We do not receive a remunerative return for our capital—
give us an increase of toll," the House could not after this Bill
refuse....—( Hear.) If tio speculation had turned out to
he one of very great profit, like the new river,
would the proprietors consent to lower the toll? Cer-
tainly not. indeed, it would be unjust to call on
them to do so, but it would be equally unjust and
unfair to allow them to increase the toll. He never
yet had beard of its being urged as a good ground
fur bringing in a Bill of this sort, that because there had been
no remunerative return for the capital expended on the work,
the toll should be augmented. Under these circumstances, he
should feel it his duty to move that tike Bill be read a second
time that day six months.
Mr. SLANE Y was nearly inaudible in the gallery. We
understood him to say that he would support the amendment
of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Wynn.)
Mr. CLAY would support the Bill.
The House then divided, when the numbers were—
For the Bill
Against it 77
Majority against the Bill 74.
The Bill was therefore lost.
OXFORD GREAT WESTERN UNION RAILWAY.
On the motion of Mr. TANCIIED, the Oxford and Great
Western Union Railway 1.3111 was read a second time, and or-
dered to be committed.
On the motion of Mr. STEWART, the Combmartin Roads
Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed.
Lord STANLEY brought in the Bolton and Preston R
way Bill.
On the motion of Mr. RICH, the Walsall Market Bill was
read a second time bud committed.
Mr. BROCKLEIIURST presented six petitio.is from
Macclesfield, praying for the abolition of the negro system
of apprenticeship, which prayer he most cordially supprte('.
Colonel G L ANGTON presented a similar petition.
General O'NEIL presented two petitions from parishes in
Antrim against the Irish Poor Law Bill.
Mr. JAS. STEWART presented a petition from a place
in Devonshire, against the continuance of negro apprentice-
...thin.

Mr. MAXWELL presented a petition from the Grand Jury
of the County of Cavan, against the clau,e in the I. ish Poor
Law Bill, giviree relief to the able bodied poor.
Sir C. BLUNT presented a petition in favour of the Vote
by Ballot.
Loid COLE presented a petition from Annan, praying for
a continuance of the Irish Linen Act.
Lord CASTLEREAGH presented a petition from the
Grand Jury of county Duet), against the Irish Poor Law Bill.
The Noble Lord also presented a similar petition from a parish
in the county of Down.
Mr. DENNISTOUN presented several petitions from
Glasgow and other places against any further endoements to
tie Scotch Church.
Nit-. ET WALL presented a petition from Andover against
the Boundary Bill.
The SPEAKER enquired whether any other Members
had petitions to present against the Boundary Bill?
Several Members here rose for that purpose.
Petitions upon the same subject were presented by Mr.
HERMES, Sir E. KNATCHRCI.L, Mr. PLUNIPTRE, and many
other Members who were not known.
Mr. PUSEY and Mr. COLLINS presented petitions in favour
of the Bill.
On the motion of Mr. WYNN, these petitions were re-
ferred to the Committee on Petitions.
NEGRO APPRENTICESHIP.
Sir C. B. VERE presented petitions from thirteen places
in Suffolk , for the immediate abolition of neer° apprenticeship.
BELFAST ELECTFON EXPENSES.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL presented a petition from Mr.
Alexander Montgomery. agent to Lord Belfast and Mr.
Gibson, during the late inquiry before the Committee
appointed to try the merits of the petition against
the return for the town of Belfast, complaining of the
award made by the Clerk of the House, with respect to the
costs attending the inquiry into Mr. Tennent and Mr.
Dun-
bar's qualification as exorbitant and oppressive, and prayeig
that the House would re-consider the same.
Mr. SHAW rose to order. Tho House was not competent
to entertain the question.
The SPEAKER was understood to be of opinion that the
House could not entertain the petition.
Mr. HUME was of the same opinion ; but be thought the
petition might be brought up.
Mr. WYNN having read the rule of the Howe with re-
gard to the taxation of such costs, which had, in this instance,
been adhered to, thought the House could not interfere further
in the matter.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
the petition ought not to be presented if it called for an in-
fringement of that law. But if it only complained of the
present system of taxation, as being injurious to
he the public,
and merely prayed for an amendment of the law, thought
there was no objection.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL was again proceeding to say
that the petition prayed the House to order the officer to alter
the award, when he was again called to order.
The SPEAKER would suggest to the Honourable Mem-
ber to withdraw the petition for the present, with the view of
presenting it at another period, when its prayer would be
confined exclusively to an amendment of the present system
of taxation.—( Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. M. J. O'Coleeeet and Sir E.
UGDEN,
Mr. HUME thought there could be no objection to the pe-
tition being brought up.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said although the po-
tion contained a prayer they could not grant, it also con.
tined a prayer they could. Should it therefore be with-
drawn, and another substituted for it, confining itself to the
prayer in the power of the House to grant, it could very pro.
perly be received.
Mr. WAKLEY wished the Speaker to state the special
ground on which he objected to its reception.
The SPEAKER had already stated the special ground.
The Hon. Member was aware that when Election Commit-
tees were sworn at the table of the House all the authority of
the House by Act of Parliament devolved upon that tribunal.
The House could not interfere, therefore, with the acts of
those Committees.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL, as the feeling of the House was
decidedly against him, would withdraw the petition.—( Hear.)
He would, however, beg to ask the Hon. Member for Belfast
whether or not they would throw any obstable in the way of
his presenting the amended petition before the rising of the
House.—( Cries of " Oh, oh.")
Mr. HOME said the question was, whether the House was
to lay it down as a rule that it would refuse any petition
making a demand upon it which it could not grant.—(Cries
of " Spoke," and " Order," during which Mr. Hume con-
tinued to speak, every word being following by a general cry
of " Spoke.")
Mr. HUME—I have not spoken.
Sir J. OWEN—I say the Hon. Member has spoken. I tell
bim so to his face.—( Great laughter.)
Mr. HUM E—i tell the House that I have not spoken.
Mr. Speaker, I call upon you to put down these disorderly
Gentlemen.—( Laughter, and cries of " Order" and " Ques-
tion.")
Lord STANLEY said if there were a question before the
House the Hon. Member was out of order, having spoken
twice. If there were no question before the House he was
clearly out of order in speaking at all.—( Hear, and laughter. )
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
the Hon. Member out of order.
Mr. SHAW said there was a question. He called the
lion. Member to order.—( Chair, chair.)
The SPEAKER detailed the course of the discussion.
According to the strict rule if the lion. Member was in pos-
session of the House he had no authority to interfere.
Mr. lIUME was about to move that the petition be brought
up, and it was with that view he was speaking, and with the
view of putting down impertinent observations.--( Order.)
'The SPEAKER called the Hon. Member to order. He
was certain he would feel the necessity of retracting such words.
Mr. HUME did not mean what he had
tendeds an offensive
observation.—( Laughter. ) What he ito have said,
instead of " impertinent," was " improper" observations.
( Oh, oh, and laughter.) As he understood the petition was
withdrawn he would not go on with the motion he bad in-
tended to male.
Tng MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES BILL.
Mr, VERNONN SMlTHwould movedtak
e theth e
liberty second
oreading e
tinifnthis
Bill, 4Lcl in doing so
petition in its favour. An these Gentlemen who had paid at.
tention to the passing' of the Municipal Reform Bill would re-
collect that it had been s7recd on all sides that the question of
INteedarie,e eheuid be reeerved, tie in the Parliamentary Reform

Bill, to a separate enactment. After the passing of the Mu-
nicipal Reform Act Commissioners were appointed, and sent
down to examine into the best mode of fixing these bounda-
ries, and it was upon their report that, acting with his Noble
Friend (Lord J. Russell) he had introduced a Bill similar to
the present in the last Session of Parliament, which Bill fell to
the ground then in consequence of the demise of the Crown.
The present Bill he had introduced in December, and since
that tune it had been circulated about the country, so that no
objection could be made on the score of hurry. The Bill had
been framed as far as possible upon the instructions of the
Commissioners. The great difficulty of the measure arose
from the feelings of the inhabitants of certain borough for the
ancient boundaries, which they were unwilling to part with for
new ones. But with regard to any exceptions to the Bill,
which could not be many, he submitted that it would be better
to discuss them in Committee. He hoped the House would
allow the Bill to be read a second time, as the effect of
throwing it out would be to deprive those boroughs that were
not opposed to it of the advantages which they would derive
from it, and perhaps lead to litigation, which it would be de-

sirable to avoid.
Mr. ELLICE had been instructed by the Corporation of
the City of Coventry, the place which he represented, to op-
pose this Bill, as fay as they were concerned.—(Hear, hear.)
He admitted that there existed some difference of opinion, in
the city and county of Coventry, with respect to the measure.
One party, the town population, were against it ; while
the other, the rural population, were in favour of it. The
Town-council, however, which was composed of all parties,
had passed a resolution condemnatory of the measure ; and as
he thought their opinion ought to have weight with that House,
as it had with him, he was bound to mention the fact.—( Hear,
hear.) If the question was one which must be settled, he
thought that this was not the way to legislate on the subject—
(Hear, hear)—and therefore it was his intention to take the
sense of the House as to whether the Bill should or should not
be read a second time. Looking at the matter which way they
would, it was evident it would be hopeless to expect that such
a Bill could pass at the present moment, and therefore he
hoped his Noble Friend would consent to omit from the
schedule all those cities and boroughs which were hostile to
the arrangement. He would not propose any amendment just
now ; but if his Noble Friend refused to assent to the sugges-
tion which he -had thrown out, it was his intention to move
that the Bill should be read a second time that day six
mouths.—( Hear, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL should like to know what the general
opinion of the House was on this subject, before he assented
to the proposition of his Right Hon. Friend. This Bill had
been rendered necessary in consequence of the omission of
the Lords with respect to the Municipal Boundaries Bill. It
was founded on the report of the Commissioners who had
been appointed to inquire into the matter, but as far as he was
individually concerned he had no preference to one line of
boundary more than another, or wish to do more than was
convenient or expedient.—( Hear, hear.) He had no desire
whatever to impose on Coventry or any other city or borough
boundaries which were not satisfactory to the parties, but
while he said this he did not think it unreasonable to hope
that a Bill which would be an advantage to all those bo-
roughs which were favourable to it should be rejected on the
second reading.
Mr. BERRIES said he was glad that the Noble Lord bad
manifested an indisposition to accede to the proposition of the
Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Coventry, but it was
evident that the Bill could not proceed without some more de-
finite understanding was come to.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL would not oppose the second
reading, if all those places opposed to the measure were
exempted from its operation. The Noble Lord ought to state
clearly whether or not he meant to assent to this proposition.
Lord J. RUSSELL, in explanation, said that before they
exempted any place from the operation of the Bill they ought
to have some proof that the parties dissented from the pro-
posed arrangement. He thought the best way to obtain this
information would be by means of petitions, and the opinions
which the Hon. Members who preseeted to those petitions
might express.
After a few words from Mr. GLADSTONE, Lord J. RUSSELL,
and Mr. HAWES,
Lord HO WICK thought the best course they could take
was that pointed out by his Hon. Friend.—( Hoar, hear.) Let
them tette the second reading and ge into Committee, but
upon understanding that no place should come under the
the
operation of the Bill except those which were desirous of such
an arrangement with respect to their boundaries es was pro-
posed.
Lord STANLEY was convinced that a strong feeling of
dissatisfaction prevailed in reference to this measure.—( Hear,
hear.) The proposal of the Right Hon. Gentleman the
Member for Coventry sounded fairly, but he (Lord Stanley)
could not give his assent to the second reading unless some
more definite understanding were come to.—(Hear, hear.) In
his part of the country lie knew that a hostile feeling was en-
tertained towards this Bill. He would suggest to the Hon.
Gentleman who had charge of the Bill, and to the Govern-
ment, whether the better way would not be to prepare an in-
struction to the Committee, laying down the precise object
which they had in view, and to take time, say a fortnight after
the circulation of this instruction, for ascertaining whether it
met the wishes of the Hon. Gentleman opposed to the mea-
sure or not.
Mr. ELLICE concurred, in the suggestion of the Noble
Lord. A delay of a fortnight or three weeks would enable
the Government to obtain all the information necessary to pre-
pare such an instruction.
Mr. V. SMITH thought the better way would he to send
circular letters to the different cities and boroughs intended to
be included in the Bill, requesting that meetings might be
called in order that the opinion of the constituency in each
case might he fairly and fully ascertained.
After a few words from Lord Stanley, Lord Elowick, Mr.
Grote, and Captain Forrester,
Sir T. TRO UB RIDGE said, that if he was given to un-
derstand that the borough with which he was connected, was
to be withdrawn from the Bill he would consent to the second
reading, but otherwise he would oppose it.
Mr. V. SMITH should send a circular to the different bo-
roughs to see how far they were likely to agree, and they might
thus be able to go into Committee after Easter.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL would remind the House
that considerable inconvenience might arise from the present'
Bill not being read a second time. When the Municipal Cor-
porations Bill passed in 1835, there was a pledge given to the.
country that a Bill would be passed to regulate the boundaries
of the different boroughs. This Bill was brought in to remedy
those inconveniences. He knew that this Bill encountered
much opposition, and excited much disapprobation, but this did
prove that the Bill was wrong ; and such dissatisfaction was:
always to be expected in cases where local interests were
affected. He thought the complaints of the Honourable Mem-
ber for Coventry altogether unfounded. He hoped at all
events that the Bill would be allowed to go into Commitee.
Mr. WIL ERFO RC E moved that the Bill be read a
second time that day six months.
After a few words from Colonel SIBTIIORP and Mr.
`Vietnams—
Mr. VERNON SMITH would yield to the sense of the
House and withdraw it.
The question was then put, and the amendment agreed to.
ELECTION EXPENSES BILL.
The Order of the Day for the second reading of this Bill
having been moved,
Mr. HUME proceeded to explain the provisions of the
Bill. It comprised two points, first, to declare what the legal
expenses ought to be, so as to prevent the possibility of dis-
putes. The second point was to make a provision for ex-
penses that were not already provided for. There was an-
other point. It was considered necessary to remove doubt
as to the postage of writs and returns. At present the writ
was sent down by post, but it was considered necessary to send
up the return in a chaise and four. The Hon. Member was
proceeding to explain other provisions of the Bill, when
An Hon. MEMBER moved that the House bo counted
and forty Members not being present, the House adjourned
at half-past seven o'clock.

THE LATE E
FIRE IN THE TENlPL.—vuring
the whole of Tuesday a great number of workmen, under the
direction of Mallett and Goff, two of the foremen of the
London brigade establishment, were busily engaged in turn-
ing over the ruins occasioned by the above fire, for the pur-
pose of ascertaining if any of the deeds and other docu-
ments lodged in the hands of various legal gentlemen had
escaped destruction. From Friday up to Wednesday night little
property was found. On the evening of the first-named day
a large iron chest, in which a quantity of very valuable pa-
pers were supposed to have been deposited, was found, and
which proved to belong to Mr. Hilyard. Upon being opened
the plate, consisting of twelve table-spoons, six tea-spoons,
a pair of sugar-tongs, twelve large and six small table-
forks, were found uninjured ; but the more valuable contents,
consisting of important documents, had been reduced to ashes.
Several valuable books belonging to Mr. Brammell have also
been dug up ; and also a silver cruet-stand, and two iron
chests belonging to Mr. Boodle, the contents of which, like
the papers previously discovered, were all destroyed. Tues-
day two large iron chests, and two tin boxes, supposed to be
the property of Messrs. Blackstock, Vincent, and Company,
were discovered, the contents of which are gone. In addition
to these a great number of silver articles have been recovered,
some of them scarcely tarnished, while others were nearly in
a state of fusion.
On Monday last a corpse was deposited in the
Trinity Church-yard of St. Philip's, Bristol. About eleven
o'clock at night a female went into the ground, and began
very cautiously to reconnoitre the grave. It happened that the
friends of the deceased were on the 100k-out, having probably
received some hint upon the subject. In due time they rushed
forward, and the lady was captured and taken to the station-
house, where she had the pleasure of passing the sight in the
agreeable contemplation of to-morrow. The news spread like
wildfire through the district, and the lady, dreading the conse-
quences, confessed that she was a female only as far as cap,
bonnet, and cloak were concerned, gave his address, and de-
spatched a messenger for his hat, coat, and waistcoat, being, in
point of fact, neither more nor less than the apprentice of a
neighbouring surgeon. As the mob was furious, and might
have maltreated him, a car conveyed him to the Council-
house on Tuesday morning. It seems probable that a suitable
apology had by this time been made to the family of the de-
ceased ; as no one appeared against him, and as he had no
tools or implements of resurrection with him, the magistrates
did not feel at liberty to take further notice of the matter than
in giving the young gentleman a little good advice, which we
hope he will profit by.—Bristolillinor.
THE TEA-PLEA POTENTIAL.—A member of
the tee-total Society was lately asked to take a glass of beer.
He at once complied with the invitation, effecting
a compro.
mice between Isis palate and his conscience by stipulating that
a little ginger should be put into the beer, which being done,
he immediately swallowed the potion, demurely observing that
ginger beer was allowed by the Society.—Lincoln Ga,zette.

PRICES OF CANALS,DOCK STOCKS,

ASSURANCE COMPANIES,&c. &c. &c.

LONDON, TUESDAY, MARCH 13.
Number Dividend Price
of per CANALS. per
Mares. Annum. Paid. Share
1,766 7 per cent. Ashton and Oldham....Average 971.188. sh. 135
1,082 41. Ashby-de-le-Zouch Average 113/. sh. 55
1,260 Basingstoke lOOl. sh. 5
1,005 51. Brecknock and Abergavenny 150,. sh. 100
8,000 I-16sh. 91 6s. Birmingham, 1-16th share '-! R. 711. 220
4,000 Ditto and Liverpool Junct...l3o/. sh. 100 pd 'al
600 Si. Bridgewater and Taunton ....100/. sh. all pd 64
400 4/ Chelmer and Blackwater 100/. sh. 102
500 481 Caventry 'OW. sh. 745
4,545 C:oydon
2,0601 41. Os. Dudley lOOl. sh. $3
MO 14i. Derby 1001. sh. 133
20.000 4 per cent, Danune and Mayne 4l/.135. 4d. pd al%
3,5751 31. Ellesmere and Chester Average 133/. sh. 77
231 96/. Erewash 1001. sn. 700
1,297 281. Forth and Clyde Average 4401.165. th. 580
11,600 121. Grand Junction 100/. sh. 220
4,8491 11. Grand Union ICO/. Ai '25
1,500 Grand Surrey
20,000/. 4/. per cent. Ditto (optional) Loan lO3l. 70
113,096
600 131.12 a. ad. Glamorganshire, Average cost 1721. 138. 48, 230
749 10t. Grantham l5Ol. sh. 202
6,238 21. Os. Huddersfield Average 57/. Os. 68. sh. 37
100 .... ..... Kensington 100 sh. all pd. 10
25,328 11. ss. Kennet and Avon, Average 39/. 18s. 10d. sh. 2.:6
2.8971 241. Leeds and Liverpool 100/. sh. 610
5451 13/. Leicester l4O/. sh. 225
1,897 61. Os. Leicester and Northampton... Aver ,731. 10s. 91
2.400 10/. Monmouthshire 100/.sh. 204
150 10/. Melton Mowbray 1001. eh. 200
500 25/. Mersey and Irwell lOO/. sh. 565
3,000 11. 10s. Macclesfield 100/. sh. all pd. 52
247 171. Neath 1001. sh. 325
1,786 30/. Oxford 1001. sh. 630
2,400 51. Peak Forest Avei.ge about 781. sh. 104
1,418 12s. Regent's (or London) Aver. 331. 10s. Bd. sh. 16
5,669 61. per cent. l'(ochdale Average 86/. sh. 11 1
500 81. Shropshire /25/. sh. 128
800 9/. 10s. Somerset Coal 1501. sit. 1511
3,600/. 41 per cent. Ditto Lock Fund Stock l2l. Kls. sh. 11l
700 401. Stafford and Worcester l4Ol. sh. 710
500 9/. Shrewsbury 1251. sh. 280
300 9/, Stourbridge
3,647 21. Os. Stratford-un- Avoli ...Average 791. 9s. 98. sh. 50
a 33 15/. Swansea 100/, oh. 250
3,762 11. 15s. Severn and Wye and Railway-. Av. 351, sh. 27
2,60415 ti. 321. Ws. Trent and Mersey, 1 share 1001. sh. 565
'6.149 Thames ...rid Medway... Aver. 191.55. lid. sh. 1 12
44())00r. ,
1, ,h. I.d. Warwick and Birmingham 1001. sh• 265
080 llt. Warwick and Napton lOO/. sh. 20t5
6,000 4/. (Is. Worcester and Birmingham- Av.76/.Bs. sh. 79}
5,601 255. Wilts an., Berks .. Average 671. 10s. Bd. 4.h. 22
SOO 31. Worley and Essington 195/. sh 75
•to Wisbeach lO5l. oh. 4%
905 1.. Wey and Arun llol.sh. • '2,1
DOCKS.

4,600& } 3 c i ,ili 1001. sh. 5
p
1,065 sh . c 01111110 T
4ik,667/. 6 per et. East India Stock 111
3,238,310f1. 51is.p.ct. London
Ditto Bonds 9O
1,380,000/. 4il. p. ct. %Vest India Stock 1001
2,209 91. 19s. Bristol
68,324/. 51. par cent. Ditto Notes, various amounts ll3
1,352,752 5 percent. St. Katharine stock 101
500,000 41 per cent. Ditto Bonds
200.000 4 per cent. Ditto Bonds tor 10 years 993
Shoreham Has hour
Deptford Pier_ °Ol. sh. 20!. pd 1001