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',Alla not be more regular for the Learned Lord to bring in a
Bill, than it would be for his Noble Friend to do so. But his

Noble Friend said, if the Learned Lord chose to bring it in, he
wo•.:id not interfere, unless he should see him relapsing into the
_inaction of his predecessor, and in that case he hoped would in-
-tuft:l:o6

The _Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, it struck him
t-'l4t the course proposed by the Noble Lord was not that
"frr-kh was usual in that House. It was better that the Bill

st7.-u.i.d be brought in by those who had opportunities of con-
-A«.itiag together, than by those who were not very likely to con_
:cur in their .views. He thought it might be better that the
liobie Lord should withdraw his motion; but this was asked as
rematter of courtesy, and not claimed as a right.
Lord A. HAMILTON said he had no objection to his name
being left out: He did not wish to be connected with the
'bringing in of the Bill. All that he wanted was, that the
Learned Lord should let the present motion be carried, and take
.upon himself to bring in the Bill if the House consented to its
'being introduced.
Mr. TIERNEY remarked, his Noble Friend desired but a

f.eslge that the subject should be promptly attended to by the
.4.ord Advocate, by the Housigiving him leave to bring in the
The Gentlemen opposite answered this by saying," No,
• r.o ;—what you ask cannot'bo agreed to—you are on the wrong
side of the House. If yoir,come over here and make your mo-
tion, it will be all -very well,!' ,In‘fact, the case was this. The
mez.stire was admitted on all hands to be a good one, but it was
iaot to be allowed to be brought in, because the proposition had.
'.:'<ianated with his Noble Friend,
Mr. PEEL submitted to the House that the regular course
wax for the party 'who introduces a Bill to move for leave to
bring it in. This Bill, which the Learned Lord had in prepa-
;ation, might not follow the title of that of the Noble Lord. In
the conversation which had passed some little difference had ap-
pered between them—the one wished for an immediate,—the
other, for a gradual abolition of the offices in question. When
his Learned Friend said he would introduce a Bill, was it fair
to throw that Suspicion on him, which agreeing to this mo-
tion would convey ? The point was one of little import.
Brice, but. he could see no reason for deviating from the usual
coarse.
The SPEAKER remarked, the rules of that House were so
wisely framed, that a departure from them for convenience, ge-
nerally produced a greater inconvenience than it had been at-
tempted to avoid. This was experienced in the present case,
from the length to Which the conversation had extended.. He
was now obliged to interfere. His, apology to the House for
letting it go so far was this—he had supposed the question put
by_the Nobly. Lord to have been misunderstood. , ,

LorclA. HA m fur& said, he would not divide theilonse,
tit he would let the motion be negatived.
,Mr. BROUGHAM suggested that a negative on the present
r.Otion might throw a difficulty in the way Of the bringing 4i
Gf the Learned Lord's Bill.
_ _

~ The SPEAKER remarked if the present motion were nega-
t,i7ed, it could not prevent a similar motion from being offered
when the House next assembled. A Bill once introduced and
thrown out could not be brought in.again that Session, but the
question now before the House was only as to time, and the
=ion might be repeated.
The motion was then negatived.
Lord A. HA \IILTON moved an Address to the King,
payed his Majesty to direct returns of the Commissioned
Courts of Scotland, with list-of the Commissioners, Clerks and
Procurators, to be laid before' the House.

• The motion was agreed to.
RENEWAL Of' THE AGRICULTURAL COMMITTEE.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY having already
troubled the House with his view of the present situation of the
t:tgticultnral classes, would not detain them now in moving, that
the Report made in the last Session of Parliament by that Com-
mittee should again be referred to their consideration, toga-
iher with the Petitions presented to the House on the subject of
t-gricultural distress in the last and present Sessions. He
wished to avoid saying any thing that might provoke a de-
bate at this time on a subject of such complexity and im-
pertance, as he thought the question could be much more ad-
vantageously discussed when brought before the House by the
report of a Committee of their own body. He then moved that
the report of the Committeo on Agricultural distress, with the
Petitions presented in the last and present Sessions of Parlia-
ment, be referred to a Select Committee to be appointed to in-
quire into the allegations thereof, and report their opinions to
the House.

Mr. GOOCH wished to offer a few observations. He was
-desirous of correcting some of the misrepresentations which had
taken place respecting him at several public meetings. He
had been described, not by name perhaps, but still so that he
wes understood to be alluded to, as having brought forward
this subject last year, in collusion with the Government, in
order to prevent inquiry. If he had acted such a part, he
semuld have thought himself unworthy to represent that county
which sent him to Parliament, or any other. Ilaving been
•• .pit there to represent one of the most agricultural counties in
F.ngland, he had believed it to be his duty when he saw their
table covered with Petitions, signed by numerous members
of the yeomanry of the country, all describing the existence of
cre unuSual scene of distress, to call the attention of the House
to it. Though little, qualified to perform such. tt task, he.had
determined on taking it up as nobody else did. He wished for
that inquiry which had taken piece. but which, he was sorry to
.ay, had done little good. He had, in the first instance,
:'nought it right to ascertain his own strength, and the strength
cf those opposed to him. Feeling no wish to raise the landed
:'.:crest to the injury of other interests, he had not anticipated
Acch opposition from the commercial and manufacturing in.
tereats. After consulting those connected with those interests,
he. then went to the Noble Marquis to ask what the Governs
Gent proposed to do. The Noble Marquis told him that Mi-
ainters would not oppose a motion for a Committee, as they
felt for the situation of the agricultural classes as much as he
sik•lr. Gooch) could do. He (Mr. Gooch) then said to the I
Noble Marquis, he was rather surprised that with these feelings
they had not come forward with some measures for their relief.
'The Noble Marquis said, that, as a Minister, he had no right i
ebring forward a measure unless he could offer a remedy, as
e wished not to hold out a hope to the country which might
not be realised. But, he added, he would willingly attend the
Committee, and give every aid in his power to the prosecution of
the inquiry. That pledge, in the Committee, the Noble Niar-
.:-.is had most fully redeemed. He had stated thus much to
arses what his conduct had been, and he hoped he alieulti
got be again misrepresented. Now, with respect to the
eephset of the Committee, he would 'say, that to him it
e.ppeared worse than useless. This might seem strange,
coming from the Chairman of the Committee from which
the Report had emanated, but he believed that it had
thrown dust in she people's eyes, Instead of opening them,
teed that it would not afford them relief or any thine else.
Peellaps he might be allowed a few words on what had fallen
from the Noble Marquis on Friday. No man had more at heart
• the a-elfare of the landed interest than the humble individual
-oho then addressed the House. His duty, his inclination, and
his interest, all led him that way. lie thought the statement of
• 'C:4 Noble Marquis -(the Marquis of Londonderry) in many re-
spects most satisfactory. He begged to congratulate the House•
on the state of the finances of the country. It was a most
jeratifying circumstance to find that we were in possession
as clear sinking fund of more than 6,0tw001. For the gene-
ra: welfare of the. country it was necessary that public credit
eh.culd be secured.—(Hear, hear I)—Nothing could tend more
to the relief of the country than thus improving and strengthen.
ihee public credit.—(dear I)—But when he came. to speak of
what the Noble Lord had said on the subject of
.Agricultural
r.'ietress, he should not speak truth if he ware to state it to be
• h,e opinion that it would prove satisfactory to the Landed in-
terest. He thought they . would be discontented, because
77:G7T was not done. But it was one' thing to say, that what
• had been proposed was not sufficient,- and another to point out
-.hat more ought to be done. He did not see what more could
neer.e, but he was most anxious to see as large a diminution
•of taxes as could be made consistent with the maintenance cc
thte great interests of the country. The question then IsSeatne
• cee of quantity. He was one of those who did not wish the
herey.ertcai strength
.of the army to be more diminished a but he
-hieled for further reductions in the civil departments of both
enrey and navy. When the estimates came before. the House,
• -;;OUld vote for such reductions as he thought would be
aectece. When he looked at what had already been dene,• in
tat course of the Session, he congratulated the • House on the
ere:zee-which had been opened. He explained the circumstances
in the last Session had frequently prevented him from
lasing in his place in that House. He congratulated them on
ears' had feoen from the Noble Marquis. He•hoped to COD
t::::;.t.:02 would follow up what he had then stated, and lie im-
en;.sred all of the House at this important juncture to fore
net party feeling, and bearing in mind those words which they
.iseerd 30 often, " lay aside all prejudices and partial -.aces
::co;;," and unite with but one obiect—the good of their country.
2L-j. SIIELLI.:Y said, the Hon. Gentleman who had just
ea. down seamed surnrieed to find bow rouelothe Noble Mar-
einaie had done. He also was surprised, but in a different way—
he ras surprised to find how little the Noble. Marquis had done.
`He thanked the Noble Marquis for taking off the Malt Duty,
bet wes sorry to she him giving 3;00,001. to that fallacy the
sinking fund. He weald not dwell on this subject now, as a
motion, or. Thursday, would bring the Sinking Food. befere ,
• else House. The diminution of taxation wee called for by the
'v ones Country, and in his opinion the Noble MerqUis, ire bole.
-seeping up the Sinking Fund, protected the monied intereat
the exeence of this agriculture of the country, and therefore he
este tot satisfied.

Mr. NVODEHOUSE rose to put it question to the Nobly
Triccquis. which he had no doubt he would answer, but first he
ofF:r a few words to enolain the principles wilicti.rgu-
iTt-.=.!- cis own conduct. He id not hesitate to declafethat in
.view the subject the GoYz:nr.lctt.d4l. tot 60.ay.fEciently