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from the French to lay a copy of their dispatch upon the
table. To say that the dispatch already betore their
Lordships was satisfactory was but mockery. He wished
to know if the Austrian communication was more intelli-
gible and more explicit than that stuff?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the dispatch was
a foreign document.
The Earl of ABERDEEN asked, would her Majesty's
Government lay on the table the intentions of the Aus-
trian Government, which he said was in his possession?

new gallery- in the Houde of Lords; but he understoo.l
the wh,le of the r. turn in cia«.sti,,n iucludrd ail the
other matters to which the Hon Member adverted.
There was a suns of abut 5,000/., he thought, fur ma-
chinery, which was not inelu,ied.
Mr. OSBORNE asked if he was to understand if the
furni,l.ing

It npi-war, d to him to k d,•,ir -hie that they should limit
the unration of a measure of such excep!iontal policy;
aid eer the expiraq a o' the five or slx years tor
which he would continue the Act, they could most
cenvyniently det.: mine wLether or not thy would con-

tinue it.
Sir G. GREY opposed the pi v7sn. He thought that
it would (1,4,,,t tho object of the clause; inasmuch
as it could deprive parti,s cliqo:sed to iti%et money in
the culdvation of bind in Ireland of the assurance that
there would be a liotit to the tanount of rating t, which
they would be Futi et.
Mr. SCROPE supported the proviso.
Alter a Sew words from Colonel Dunne, Mr. M. J.
O'Connell, Mr. R. M. Fox, and Mr. Clements, the Com-
mittee divided, when there apptared—
For the proviso 11
Against it ... G 6
Majority
On the question that the clause stand part of the
Bill.

Mr.GiiEENE repl,ed that it included the furnishing

th 9 House and of the Conamitt,2e-rooms.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in reply, was in-
audible.

Mr. OSBORNE, seeing now the Noble Lord at the
head of the Government in hi 3 place, would ask him
whun he would bring this estimate on for the consider
stion of Parliament.

Lord STANLEY wanted to know whether they were
correctly informed on the actual position of the question,
without having any opinion expressed as to whether
the documents laid on the table relative to the
French expedition were or were not satisfactory to
her Majesty's Government. He asked whether
her Majesty's Government had received or had
asked any explanation of the motives under which the
French Government were now proceeding in besieging
and bombarding Rome. Those proceedings, according
to present appearances, arose from the unwillintness of
the Romans to receive within their walls a large force
belonging to a foreign power; and he wished to know,
under such circumstances, if her Majesty's Government
had either asked for or obtained from the French any
explanation of the grounds on which they besieged and
bombarded Rome, or of the course they meant to take,
should they succeed in that most violent and unjust
proceeding?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that no sech
information had been received by her Majesty's Govern-
ment.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he would bring it on
,a the week after next.
LYME REGIS ELECTION•

Mr. B. COCHRANE begged to ask the Attorney-
General whether he bad had any communication
with the gentleman (Mr. Attwood) who was
the subject of the following notice on the paper,
and whether the Government was any party
to the keeping this notice on the paper from time to
time Mr. Butler—To call the attention of the House
to the special reports and recommendation of the me
Regis Election Cumtnittte, of last session, charging Juhn
Attwood, Esq., with bribery (then a Member of this
House, and subsequently unseated for bribery for Har-
wich), and to move that the Attorney-General be directed
to prosecute Mr. Attwood and his agents for the alleged
cases of bribery and corruption at Lyme Regis and
Harwich."

Mr. S. CRAWFORD complained that no reserve
eund was provide d by the Bel, and, therefore, when the
maximum rate was exeausted the people must be left to
die. He was surprised that the representatives of the
troves, of all others, sinitld support the maximum rate.
Feeling that the proposition was a delusion An . i an in-
justice to the poor and the rate payers, he ft lt bound to
record his opposition to it by taking the sense of the
Committee on the clause.
After a few worth from Mr. F. FRENCH and Mr. P.
SCROPE,
The Committee divided, when there appeared—
For the clause ... ... ... 56
Against it ... ... ... ... 24
Majority ... ~, .., —32
On clause 2 icing read,
Sir G. GREY moved the omission of the words, " on
the 29th of September in each year," and the insertion,
in lieu thereon " as soon as possible after the 25th of
March which shall be in the year 1850, and in each
subsequent year."
Mr, NAPIER suggested the postponement of the date
till the 29 h September, 1850.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
plained the ground upon which the Government bad
fixed the date at the 25th of March, as they believed
that it would be less onerous to the ratepayers than the
oths r period.
After some conversation, in which Mr. Vesey. Mr.
Clements, Sir D. Norreys, and some other Hon. Mem-
IRISH RAILWAYS. tiers took pert,
Major BLACKALL asked the Chancellor of the Ex- Sir R. FERGUSON observed that the Government
chequer when he intended to introduce his measure for were, in his opinion, proceeding in direct contravention
giving assistance to Irish railroads, and whether it will of the principles of the poor-law, and suggested that the
be in the shape of a Bill to promote railways in Ireland clause should he withdrawn by the promoters of the
generally, or for an advance of money to one line only. Bill, and reconsidered
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER pro Mr. MONSELL said it was not just to allow the
posed that the House should go into Committee to- union rate to have a re trospective effect. He moved to
morrow, in order to vote the required sum. The money insert the word " September" instead of " March."
would be lent to the Athlone and Galway Railway. He The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER denied
begged to move that the Bill go into Committee to- that there was any injustice in the proposition of the
morrow for this purpose. Government. The fact of not levying for the union rate
Sir H. WILLOUteHBY inquired what security would fer teats lve months would counterbalance any disadvalle
be given?—(Hear, hear.) tage that might be apprehended.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he The Committee divided, the slumbers were—
would allude to the matter to-morrow, %lieu he should For Sir G. Grey's amendment ... 40
enter into a general statement. Against it ... ... „, „., 18
POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL. Majority ... ... ... ... —22
The House went into Cesonnttee on this Bill.
Mr. MONSELL wished to know how the existing a l
IAIr. STAFFORD
the
weeds
attc r , .
et in. i
rmoved,,i division
o2obt oultedaovoe„ iouto t.
arrears of rates were to be provided for. Would those line 9. tie would take the sense of the Committee as to
arrears be included in the calculation for estimating the whether the union rate should be negatived or affirmed.
maximum to be levied under these rate-? The Committee again divided, when the numbers were
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought For Mr. Stafford's amendment ... 18
the arrears were excessively over-estimated. Against it ... ... ••• ••• 43
Mr. MONnELL had taken his figures from the poor- Majority in favour of original clause —25
law returns. Mr. STAFFORD then rose to move to omit the words
Sir DENHAM NORREYS suggested that power "or se much thereof as with due diligence it has been
should be given to the guardians to burrow money on the practicable to levy." He said that these was no point of '
arrears. the Government proposition that was of greater import-
Colonel DUNNE said the noise in the Committee was ance than what was contained in those words. It would
so great that he was afraid he could not make himself be in the power of the Po r-law Commissioners to de-
heard---(A laugh)—but he would propose that the ar• tide when the maximum rate shall cease in the electoral
rears and rates should be collects dby degrees. divisions and the union ruts shall commence. The
Sir D. NORREYS and Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL and p swer, he thought, would strike at the root of self-de-
several other Members made brief observations upon pends nce. By aeopteng the principle of the clause they
the principle of levying a maximum rate, which the latter would violate the system of self kcal taxation in Ireland
Hon. Member contended could never be properly en• under the plea of necessity—a system which they dared
forced, and expressed his belief that whatever the sum not violate in England. He also objected to the clause,
fixed it would be sure to be evaded. inasmuch as it made the Poor-law Commissioners the
Sir G. GREY contended that as there was a limitation sole judges of the necessity of levying a rate for the re-
of five shinies. that could never be exceeded,
Ler of the poor. The measure under consideration was.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said that it was precisely in he considered, a gross injustice attempted to be perpe-
those districts in which the limitation was most necessary trated by a Government upon a people no matter where.
that it was most likely to be evaded. He thought that the Ministry would act wisely in recon-
Mr. GROGAN quite concurred with the observe- tidering the point.
Lion respecting the utter impossibility of levying a rate Sir G. GREY said that the practical affect of the
under any maximum valuation, for if they levied a rate of amendment would be to neutralise tar adoption of union
three shillings, and were to trust to past experience as rating. The Commissioners had no power granted to
to the amount to be assessed, such a rate was likely to them under the Bill to impose a tax; they were merely
become ten or or eleven shillings, empowered to decideupon whom the tax should be levied
Sir G. GREY explained that such a contingency was —whether upon the electoral divisions or the unions.
provided for by two other other clauses in the 1311!. After a conversation, in which Colonel Dunne, Mr.
A desultory discussion then followed, in which Mr. H. Herbert, and Mr. O'Flaherty took part,
Blackall, the Attorney-General, and other Hon. Mem- Mr. FAGAN said he would support the Government,
bers took part. because he did not believe that the boards of guardians
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said on the 25th of Sep- could properly wield such a power as was to be created
tember next there would be a debt of half a by the Bill.
million on thirty-two poor law unions in Ireland. Mr. NAPIER supported the amendment. The per-
The rate, therefore, in those unions would be, sons on the spot, the persons intrusted to deal with the
not ss. in the pound, but 25s —(Rear, hear)—and property of Ireland, were the proper parties to judge of
even a rate of 255. in the pound would not raise that the necessities of the cases when they arose. The Corn-
sum. He would ask how the Government proposed on missioners would only have one anxiety, that of getting
the 25th of September to meet the debt of half a million the money; and if they were informed that in one lo-
in teose thirty-two unions? cality a rate could not be collected, they might relieve
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that locality at the expense of another which had already
there would be the rates which would be collected done its duty.
during the next two months, and the deficiency might Mr. HENLEY sugggested that a rule should be laid
be made up by an advance from the Treasury. down that a certain portion of the rate ehould be paid
Some further discussion of a desultory kind on the up before the rate in aid was put in force; but he thought
matter in hand was kept up for some time, in which Sir the Commissionere were the proper parties in whom the
D. Norreys, Mr. E. B. Roche, Sir John Walsh, Sir W. discretion should be lodged.
Jolliffe, Colonel Dunne, and other Hon. Members, took The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
part. Hon. Gentleman entirely concurred in the view which.
Mr. ROCHE wished to know, if they agreed to the the Government took of the question. The Poor-law-
maximum rate, whether the effect of it would be that in Commissioners were the only parties who could fairly
no district under any circumstances, would the rate ex- judge whether the rate had been bona fide collected it
teed 70., exclueive of the rate in aid? the electoral divisions or not.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said After a desultory conversation,
the principle of the clause was to impose a maximum of The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rte'
future charge, leaving utterly untouched the liabilities masked that it was impossible to lay down any uniform
that at present existed. If the collected rates should rule fur Ireland.
suffice those debts would be paid, but if not the power of Mr. MONSELL said that such en observation view
levying rates to meet existing debts would remain un- the best argument that could be used against a Bill.
touched. With regard to all future liabilities, whether which proposed to lay down a uniform rate for all.
for the maintenance of the poor or for the payment of Ireland.
charges on the unions—all charges, in fact, becoming The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped
due after the 29th of September, would fall on the elect- that when they were settling the details of the Bill they
coral division rate of ss.—the union rate of 2s. if neces- would not be carried away with a discussion on the
sary, and on the 6d. rate in aid, which rates would be the principle of the Bill itself. That principle had been
utmost that could be levied. determined, and now he hoped they would devote them-
Sir G. GRAHAeI gave Honourable Members credit selves, as far as it was possible, to improve the measure
for wishing to rernovesevery impediment to the influx of in its details. ,
capital into Ireland. Nothing could be clearer than Mr. STAFFORD rrplitd.
the statement of the Chanceller of the Exchequer, Tho Committee then divided, when there appeared—
that, after the 29th of September next, no annual For the original motion ... 79
charge for any debt or current expenditure for the poor For the amendment ... ... . . 23
would exceed the electoral rate of 55., and the union Majority against the amendment ... —56
rate of 2a.
Mr. VESEY objected to hiving any board of guardians
HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 28. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—And the power of paying any charge on a neighbouring
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. the rate in aid, electoral division out of funds in the hands of the trea-
LORDS' AMENDNIENTS. Sir J. GRAHAM—And the sixpeuny rate in aid. It surer of the union, which had been paid in by any other
The Lords' amendments to the Black Sluice Drainage was important to come to a clear understanding of whit electoral divisions of the union, and which electoral
Acts Amendment (Amendment of Acts, Extension of was the liability of property in the 33 unions to which division had duly paid up the rate. The Hon. Gentle-
Time for Completion of Works, Powers to levy and he had referred. Their debt for the maintenance of the min proposed an amendment to remedy this, which,
raise further Rates and Moneys, to alter existing Rates pour up to the 29th September, making the abatement after some discussion, was withdrawn.
and Tolls, and fur other purposes) Bid were considered suggested by the Home Secretary, would be about Lord NAAS moved a proviso to the effect that the
and agreed to. 400,0001. In addition to that, were they not chargeable 0 ;inoto
REPORT. with their share of the sum of 835,0001. due from the eJossionere sheuld not issue their order for the 2s.
union rate, until they should receive a certificate from
The report upon the Norfolk Estuary (Amendment of whole of the unions of Ireland to the public? What the board of guardians, stating that due diligence had
Acts and Powers of Contribution by the EAU Brink he wished to know was, whether capitalists about to in been of Drainage, and by the Corporation of vest money in the purchase of property in these 33 ben ucl in collecting the sr. electoral rate.
King's Lynn) Bill was considered and agreed to. unions, having the prospective security of a maximum After some conversation, the Committee divided. The
numbers were—
PETITIONS. rate, would be liable for outstanding poor-rates? He
For the amendment ... . . ... 48
Mr. PLO WDEN presented a petition from the Char- was opposed to a maximum rate, and would have no dif- Against it ... ..• ••• ••• 88
tient of Newport, Isle of Wight, praying that all laws ficulty in voting for the proposal of the Right Hon. Majority against the amendment ... —4O
for the punishment of political offences might be Baronet. He wished, however, to know from the Go-
Colonel DUNNE moved the addition of h
abolished. vernment what would be the condition of purchasers with
Mr. CHRISTOPHER presented a petition praying reference to arrears? proviso at the end of the second clause—" That
the foliftose-bim
that the Bill for the protection of women might be The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it not be lawful for
ta,inoyn bfo,amrdantoy sitorti,kgeetapreartieo
dof
t2hsa,nin
two
years
passed into law. was perfectly true that many unions in the west of Ire- Found in any u
~,
years from September, 1849.
Mr. WODEHOUSE presented a petition praying for land were bankrupt, and that nothing was more easy
The Committee divided, when thee© appeared—
a better system of county expenditure. than to suggest difficulties with respect either to them or
For the proviso
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD presented several petitions from to the poor-law of Ireland generally. A reference had
Yorkshire in favour of protection to women. been made to some accounts with respect to which, on a Against it ... ... ... ... 103
Majority against the proviso ... —65
Lord H. VANE presented a petition from Sunderland former occasion, he had not had certain papers before
On the question that the clause stand part of the Bill,
in favour of the remission of the annual duty upon at- him which would enable him to answer the observations
torneys' certificates. made. He could, however, speak from the documents
Sir W. BARRON opposed the clause. He considered
Lord DUDLEY STUART presented a petition from before him. It appeared that the amount to the credit
the rateable property of Ireland incapable of supporting
the vestrymen of Marylebone, complaining of the police of those 33 unions would fall short of the probable
the poor, and thought it exceertingly unfair to levy a
rates, and praying for some relief in respect of them. The expense to the extent of about 271,0001. He had already rate in aid in one district for the support of another.
Noble Lord gave notice that he should move to-morrow taken a vote for 120,000/. for those unions. With respect If a rate in aid was necessary let it be levied on income
to the sup-.
that it be printed with the votes. to the debt, he could say that a portion of that had been and property which at present paidnothing
Lord ASHLEY presented several petitions praying paid, to the extent of 130,000/. (as the Right Hun. port of the poor. He moved the emission of the clause.
for an alteration of the poor-law. Baronet was understood). The remainder would be After a few words from Sir G. GREY,
Lord NUGENT presented petitions from Aylesbury, charged on the unions, and would form no portion of the The Committee divided, when there appeared—
Workington, Nottingham, and other places, praying for existing liabilities, which it was intended to cover from For the clause... ... ... ... 108
an equitable distribution of the poor-rate. The Noble a future rate in aid, or uncollected debt. Against it ... ... ... ... 52
Lord intimated that unless the Government gave a pro- Sir L. O'BRIEN said the great difficulty in the pre- Majority
wise that they would do something this session with re- sent case arose from the endeavour to apply a system of The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and ob-
spect to the equalization of the poor-rate, he should, poor laws to meet the case of a famine. tamedler o'clock.a
vetosit again to-morrow (this day), at half-
at the earliest opportunity, renew his motion for the Major BLACKALL concurred in the opinion of the Ps
appointment
of a Committee to inquire into the practi- inexpediency of applying the principle of a poor-law to The Mutiny and Desertion (India) Bill was read a
cabtlity of an equal adjustment of the rate for the sup- such a state of things as now existed in Ireland. What third time, and passed.
port of the poor. was wanted was, to go out of an ordinary poor-law in The Leasehold Tenure of Lands (Ireland) Bill was
Mr. COWAN presented petitions from Edinburgh the distressed districts. read a second time, and ordered to be committed.
against the Public Health Bill for Scotland. Mr. J. O'CONNELL thought the Government ought The Estates Leasing (Ireland) Bill was committed.
Captain M. F. F. BERKELEY presented a petition to give due weight to the representations of the Right Captain JONES moved, on the first clause being pro-
against the Beer -house Bill. Hon. Baronet opposite. posed, that the Chairman should report progress and ask
Lord IL VANE presented a petition from Darlington After a few words from Colonel DUNNE, leave to sit again. Tie Bill was of grs at importance,
against granting new licenses to beer-houses. Mr. P. SCROPE said, what was called taxation in affecting as it did a number of estates in Ireland.
LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND). some instances, was called confiscation in others. There
were only two ways, he thought, of meeting the dsieffilictuble-
Mr. J. O'CONNELL gave notice that 011 the 29th all, Sir
instant he would call the attention of the House to the ties of the present case in Ireland. Oa
poor, and After a conversation in which Major Black
A. Brooke, Mr. A. Stafford, Colonel Dunne Mr.
necessity which exists for an alteration in the law re. lands for their liabilities to the support oef Monsen, end Lord John Russell took part, the 'Com-
lusting to Landlord and Tenant in Ireland. the other was the granting of relief from the Treasury,
VIENNA. for the purpose of judicious and well.con••d d mittee divided. The numbers were—
ere repro-
Mr. HUME gave notice that on the first vote of ductive employment. Had this latter course'i been pr
DuriNngoecsiurM-aa.bios.rtiitey.e.• from...the ::: :a....7-Iloasu7se6 was
Supply he would call the attention of the House to the perly pursued on a former occasion, even double- thee
nnportevhearvteedbeireonm thrownstn
rv.
away
—the
opneoeypleexapoeunlddebdawveoublet,l...
report on the Committee on Vienna.
to. galleryrand a second motion
AFFAIRS OF CHINA. understood
s haveunderstood
t be agreed
Mr. H. BAILLIE gave notice that on Monday next inn, and hatsits of industry would have been preserved was made to report to which no objection was
progress,
The turapike loeoriedsfix(tl
he would put a question to the Secretary of State for Sir J. WALSH said, when it wile proposed to tle
whenawity theonly
wpbaortte ofw oneswag
t) b
e tokenproperty, ,
Foreign Affairs respecting the affairs of China.
haitt was taxation;
The Committee on the Estates . NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT.then made.
Leasing (Ireland) Bil
whathe un-ntit
deetloarudth)ts.Bidllay.
Mr. OSBORNE, seeing neither the Noble Lord at the derstood confiscation meant.—(Bear.) passed through
head of the Government, nor the Secretary of State for Mr. E. B. ROCHE asked how irdcould be sup posed Committee.
the Home Department in their places, would take people would be encouraged in tel One or cultivating lend The Pe
the liberty of asking the Member for Lancaster a if after a certain maximum rate had been fixed, it we. through Commits
Protection (Scotland) Bill passed
question ? A return had been laid on the table subsequently proposed to increase that. People would' s Th Committee.
of the House by which it would appear that, instead of not purchase land with liabilities to the e Marriages in Foreign Cone tries Facilitating
amount of ten Bill, and the Sewers Act Amendment (No. 2) Bill,
the estimate of the expenses ns cessary for completing years rental. The question was, whether
they Would passed through Committee.
the New Houses of Parliament being 707,1041., the pro- or not stick to the principle of a maximum •
rale?
bable expense of completing them was now given as The amendment moved by Sir G. Grey The House then went into Committee on the Bank-
two millions and a hale He begged to ask whether agreed to, and the question having been put
"il3 then ruptcy (Ireland) Bill. The several clauses of the Bill
that sum of two millions and a half included the new clause as amended stand part of On. Bill put that the were agreed to, with the exception of the 69th and
II
re-
ventilation, and furnishing, ar:d fitting-up of the I louse , Mr. S. A DAIR moved the i11,ii,,,, 1 ' 112th, which were postponed ; and the Chairman
of Commons, and the Speekt•l's :hid enoled 10 05'5; aild ' provi,, :--'• i'i-ovided alevars, tea,, "en of the fel'owine oorted progress, arid obtained leave to sit again On
whether it included the expewe of' the new gallery about ' poto's lease 6peellit d in this 'AL' "cil
r'''. :!1-' '' 2;''
Act shall • ',en' '. . - •
to be erected in the House of Lords? I period only of five years from be iti force ow the elle Tu. bpsiso '.ll',asts I, nein Bill o ...; eed 1 :seotwl
Mr. GREENE paid the esticugte did not inclgdo the thence to the end of the 'h tn the passing thereof, and time, and ordered to be Committed on Thursday next
4 en Reg •
semen cf parliament. " (July 5).

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he bad had no
'communication either directly or indirectly with the lion.

Member.

Lord STANLEY—EIave you made any application
for it?

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—No application of
Le kind has been math,.
CANADA.

Lord BROUGHAM said, that in Lord Eight's dis-
patches general mention was made of certain addresses
and petitions against the final assent being given to the
Rebellion Losses Bill. He wanted to know whether the
Noble Earl bad sent any particulars respecting those
documents? For his (Lord Brougham's) information
was, that 79 addresses hed emanated from public meet-
ings held under the Canea Union Act, which required
meetings of the kind to be convened under the superin-
tendence of a magistrate or public functionary, and that
they comprised a very strong expression of teeling on
behalf of the British inhabitants on the subject.
Earl GREY said, if the Noble and Learned Lord had
given him notice, he would have been better able to give
him the required information. The Noble and Learned
Lord had not either put his question so that he (Earl
Grey) precisely understood its purport. But he would
state the facts of the case. With respect to the addresses
and petitions, previous to the passing of the Act, to the
Governor-General, to withhold his assent, his belief was,

hat they had not in general emanated from public

meetings. With regard to the addresses to her bt.ijeety,
praying her refusal of the Royal assent to the Act and
the rem! of the Governor-General, they bad generally
emanated from public meeting, but of those no list had
been sent by the Governor General, for the reason that
the parties from whom they emanated had nut adhered
to the proper rule with respect to coloeial correspond •
ence, and instead of transmitting them through the Go-
vernor-General to her Majesty, they had transmitted
them through another cheunel. Tender ordinary circum-
stances he (Earl G.) would have, therefore, declined
receiving them, but be had waived the ordinary rule with
respect to those communications, and received them us
though they had been transmitted in the ordinary way.
Not having been transmitted through the Governor-
General, he had no means of sending a list of them.
Lord BROUGHAM said the 79 petitions to which he
had referred bad been adopted at public meetings; the)
prayed Lord Elgin, and not the Crown, to withhold hie
assent from the Rebellion Losses Bill, and to dissolve
Parliament. That must have been before the Act passed
the Legislative Council. lie wished to know whether
any list of those had been received.
Earl GREY said they were precisely the petitions
which had been referred to by the Governor-General, in
general terms, in his dispatch.
Lord BROUGHAM observed that Lord Elgin, for
whom, indeed, he had the highest respect, could not have
meant the same thing.
Earl GREY had no objection to answer a question
without notice, but he certainly objected to the Noble
and Learned Lord•letting fall remarks which conveyed
a censure upon Lord Elgin's conduct. If the Noble and
Learned Lord meant to censure the Governor-General
let him bring the question fairly before the House, and
he (Earl Grey) would meet him upon it; but he pro-
tested against his throwing out imputations of a most
offensive character against the Governor-General.
Lord BROUGHAM denied that.he had attempted to
convey any imputation of the kind by his words. Lord
Elgin, for whom his respect was undiminished notwith-
standing that he had the misfortune to differ with him
on a point—Lord Elgin could not have meant the same
thing. The Noble and Learned Lord then moved an
address to her Majesty for copies of any addresses or pe-
titions, or communications respecting addresses or peti-
tions, which might have been received from Canada
against giving the assent of Government to the Canada
Rebellion Losses Bill.
Earl GREY said the words of the Noble and Learned
Lord might have been as he stated; but they all knew
the Noble and Learned Lord's manner, and when he
said—at the same time knowing perfectly well that the
reference made by Lord Elgin was to those petitions—
that his respect was undiminished for the Governor-
General, but that he had not the least idea that they
were the petitions he had referred to—when the Noble
and Learned Lord said that, he considered be was justi-
fied in protesting against what he regarded as an im-
proper imputation.
INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL moved the third reading of this
Bill.

The Earl of GLENGALL took occasion to charac-
terise as a delusion the expectatio❑ of any London com-
pany hoping to cultivate with advantago the wilds of
Connaught.
The Bill was then read a third time, and passed.
COUNTY CESS (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion 01 the Marquis of CLANRICARDE,
this Bill was passed through Committee.
SEQUESTRATORS' REMEDIES BILL.

On the Motion of the Bishop of CHICHESTER, this
Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be referred
to a Select Committee.
AUDIT OF RAILWAY ACCOUNTS BILL.

Oa the motion of Lord MONTEAGLE, this Bill was
read a second time.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid up )n the table
certain returns relative to education in Ireland; also some
returns relating to evictions in the Kilrush Union.
NEW SOUTH WALES.

Lord MONTEAGLE gave notice, that on Monday
next, he should present some peitions from the colony of
New South \Vales, and take that opportunity of asking
his Noble Friend if he intended to bring a Bill under the
consideration of their Lordships' House for the altera-
tion of the constitution of that colony.,
Their Lordships then adjourned,