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-OUSE OF LORDS, MARCH S.
..,- arguments in the part. heard case of lioneyman I'.
4411
9 the facts of which we gave on Monday at some
D ..rere recalled to-d iy, at the conclusion of which the
. __,, GI A, hi._ LHANcEr.Lou, gave judgment, affirming the decision
lornlannts";l j{„i:i escwiseenfirmins the marriage of Miss Cainpbeli with
Cington,theDy2'..l, ei.l.4ol)ert Hoaeyinan, and highly complimenting the
,t the part el :n sZil of that lady, whose character, he observ,d, was
Linton, Lieut:Ge! 47141_,11!d by spit or blemish, and a union with whom
iaind,seirrloll:oo; eite i;utlhblp considered a fit match for the first gentle-
!gilt aGrand - he r e land,
' Nit tclki) CHANCELLOR took hie seat on the Wool-
?hte Eve Minutes past Five o'clock.
plow Exchequer Bills Bill was read a third time and
~ Nee
A ..011g w
map, , were presented by Lord Duarraat from St.
tad %;,'i k;ovent-garden, praying for the repeal of the house
the t
~Tuker taxes • and from a parish in Cornwall against
CsorY`ue system ; ' also b Lord DACKE, from the Rev.
I,teildt Twiss, against ycertain clauses in the Church
846 tag Act. After some short observations from the
their Otricet6illo Petit, (4. Winchester and the Duke of Richmond, the
vin,
rasa
slot, 11 Was read and ordere Ito lie on the table.
.... slit , BREACH OF PRIVILEGE.
hieb'-sal ' Lena ert'hwat
.tnhedretti 00; I..liseftedeNll.AM said he rose to complain of as gross
sent IV.„„nt.reats! istoroeld ~..o,t privilege as ever had been committed, and lie
wed inset of . himself highly culpable if he did nut bring it
Loh the inStiiDer _
0 is a
,s_i_liadtP Iserreei tl(lie
consideration of their Lordships. He was the
igiish. g.%.417#1 tatill,„?cerl to do so because—
' bise te7eiglbsei kadverhultEY here rose. He said he believe! it was
AY: the. 7404
„ to 10, 40 "'the subject of b -each of privilege was discussed
Dr the° 'Woes St 'et with closed doors. He should therefore move
panted by .403 0 • strap
reign iirrx,i. , he gem be ordered to withdraw.
Grand I,o`ii, ot., , e ,
"ta "'guile below the bar was cleared, and when we
thattiliiceent, oop
sulk— taegt;ll admitted, we understood that the Noble Lord
ILgreieo,
t? ,t 1 add...comPlaining of a threatening letter which had
(pl '
„ t soneused In reference to his late speech respect-
' was utter' ”
e French, er tit‘h eelesiastical arrangements in the archbishopric
russiari, P1;1 . to, ilk • .
tr(fr3tilfeistteitc,4'llrt Earlt
of CARNARVON presented' a petition re-
Council, tb . ' ItlE /5.4._, the rights of copyholders, on doing which
0 4 ' • %le 'D
lonic V,D. %re . Qdrl took occasion to characterise the rhea.'
ter, the `ode h,
*lntl, had,
England,— • '4), ~.. been brought forward rela.tive. to Re-
the of,_ti'lljora, f 4ide4 a measure forming a new Constitution. He
e-chana7 sees Isnitaotins
iie, Gol,e,;A , 11-110ty attempt to discuss the subject, as he tin-
in We W . 'Noble Friend of his (Lord Wharncliffe) in-
rshal, t"" wait ' give notice for an early day,"of a motion whereby
remonies. 1.4 ho .
, Leveeed. . tki- question would be brought
.forward beforelheir
aht° le te Pl.
, j '44 ORt . .
haries, 'lt feb v: could ncitiMffer:tbe observation which had'
int°
poll ,e,11014,11 horn the Noble iiazi Opposite to pasa
_without
v ll'e t,,' '' As, however, it would be extremely -frme-
r':
_LenTen°,..-"'014,10 °'-erio-',e,bter into the discussion of so great a question
fort, qe ex," presentation of petitions, he should follow
id, A• wrist liie "Ple of the Noble Earl in saying but very little on
w. aV• 'Object. Y
Nell `• ro that part of the prayer of the petition
isoe tie, a:garded copyholders he was preparei not only to
is ,kila ten, enT'sent, but assistance. But to what had' fallen
'!!rti n; ,Noble Earl opposite character'zing the plan of Re-
e... i in fact, forming a new Constitution, against such a
!iii letalon of the character of the measure, for which lie,
;4111., rn,on with his colleagues was reTfrosible, against
liteAL character given to the measure he must enter his
teiNatl protest II
surd
slit jut •7( . ear.) His , Majesty's Governtnent
yitta,
au rodueine, in the measure they had brought
NI of y new Constitution. Bat what they were doing
liliso t,lB. character—and -he should be able to prove it
/St ,l'e queetion came before the House—not an endea-
tteet`e° introduce a new Constitution, but a re-
teisiele to the principle§ of the old Constitution,
Ihe
_1 Means they would restore it to that confidence
gest, e":3Ples minds which it ought to have. He Lail
le bad kept that principle in view in every thing which
kis 1 dnne• He had endeavoured to conform to that
Priseeilli,,ie in the plan proposed to the other House. Upon that
14k ie he contended that the measure was not the form-
tr4r, °ln, a ,il'ely Constitution, but the iecurring to an old
4lti, e4,teuich the people had a fair representation in Par-
tis and of which they had been deprived in later
IS itt Ile should be most glad to discuss this question
t`taltd4bY time it should please Noble Lords to bring it
keel
*list hltti' WHARNCLIFFE concurred most cordially with
See_ fallen from the Noble Earl (Carnarvon), that the
()itit'irte brought forward. teas rot Reforas, but a new
t'ss. fution. It was his inteution on Monday next to
eiu:,, Or certain returns connected with the population of
lieb,rti and towns, at which period he intended to enter
torldbto the discussion of this question.
kill, WYNFORD was not so well versed as the
ItS,a, Earl ( n
'1:14 uha `—re
Y) in the history of the cetnitry, but
Imiktetttt
' ,"?ertake to say that e principles of the present
MI were not those onth which the old Constitution
11.14 KING Of looked u•: .on the measure brought forward
Its it!tr!iter interest than any thing that had taken
I:lltieg
sTehe eountry since the expulsion of James 11., the
k:he ~, which was as necessary to preserve the liberties
Od Stuart" (Hear)—as the expulsion of the infa-
Qlliilified 4.--(Hear.) He expressed his cordial and
tVI aPprobation of the plan brought forward it-
n
ii.tisi,!, use by the Noble Lord (Russell.) Many a
'`‘t 6"`" !lo
ov been already directed against his Majesty's pre-
tQtaitternment, yet they had hitherto enjoyed power but
riot greet °f
a year, and behold the result ! Here was
tseilege' ittpul:o of Parliamentary Reform submitted to
Ist e'e am e and the public,—more than this, the ex-
eb.,tls,A. . most valuable legal Reforms were in progress ;
,' Lit wts true credit was to be ascribed to the No' le
N ted .Corot '
441 itt4l4_ upon the woalsack, for no one else could
rei,..kreinfied such an undertaking. But had they not
dart? 1.0411'1Y exposed the malversation of the Admi-
tio.„4oeideh,ich he might add, that serious abuses in
7r:‘ ett
iontepartment would meet with a similar ex
teoli git! buke •--(Hear.)
keit tic of WELLINGTON by no means wisiied to
%II • time outht dtseu ssion ; but as the Noble Baron opposit
of Ott A,l to apply the epithet ~ malversation" to
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t!Notzinistration of the Admiralty, in the absence
WO it irk Friend who had conducted that department,
th.:44-.4:l4bthte:rilthent on him to notice such a charge. He
)10124 nlle, the
TN , eto
ti the sense of justice and candour of
himself, whether it would not be infi-
ilie: the 41 move for certain papers calculated to
is 4 eeti3, questionto fairly before the House, than thus
liste Present criminate any individual who was
Asien did to defend himself. When the Noble
kttetkPl'ulatBs he would be in his place to give
said tiLte
he tons
a " might be deemed necessary. In the
Se kentinn:uought that the Noble Baron might as well
/i11,44ee of d Ing matters of such grave importance in the
llenl its tile 'e Individual who had for so many years pre-
tise Oft, ti. dePartinent in question.—(Hear.) He also
keeplte the"lt before the Noble Baron talked of malversa-
44e,t4ey of Hies' he might at least have waited till the
*1 inirck. '''!ltte for the Colonies was in his place to
)0%110144 Ile knew nothing of any such malversation,
4105e144' 44:til:::::Cudrowt:at the Government for the last ten
al then 'acquitted of any malversation by a Ali-
speaking in another place. He
that, it, tbsnen ': Noble Baron ought in justice to fix a
1410e' With 'or the papers upon which he founded the
!:thieh disc, • resPect to another subject which must oc-
ittie Ited 44,, he quite agreed in the determination
,bp44. rOttl,ter" adopted of postponing all discussions upon
11irleb,hitt h. Period ; but when the period arrived, he
0144 "hp 14 Al4jesty's Ministers, who upon their re-
tti4seethe so kind
rought the question under discussion,
ott and hyinxtvhaast tinofleuxenplcaein to the House in what
s7St :Pleat they proposed that the
17. kit;
et.his et, thus country—the in- onarchical Guvernto-
IPsenilPlet, and practice
he carried on, according
: I 're, etin,, u practice n Weil had been established at
'l4Ciebek"' 4114 be,' • .1 1 rthat '
1' ylicitl -eofp, 7 in evanen froth time to this.
, e lit 4411 t fit e:;JC-KINGFI4III, as his Noble Kinsman
‘tsh 40n, &_..r Ming forward a charge against the late
t,:r lie ,its etary for the Colonies, wished to know
Opt„
lef leionulitatol
i.feund fly, proceeding upon it.
ll,„ ata, !twee__ !Ron miateken. He had made no
et,,,,, ti,4t
th .aatiun against the colonial department,
..r A_- the the
ohe existed certain abuses in the adniipis-
'el, ie ,I,l° 4.0'1,1'1, which he hoped would he corrected.
tk the i„sise onion to think that dim had been malversa-
N, 1J41,_ 'otep.
. ik_rNi;red°f iIIiCKINGIIAM—Why did you say so,
Pc" le., er.)
se7tteet%e of Rivs. ,
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c tali
,!)._f the ii;st-', 11AIOND said it was the rule and
„mythin,_ ‘_'..!s!, when a Peer declared that he had
Int .14tient 'valet, was imputed to him, to take that
ellie,,tilee in c.Pination. The Noble Duke was highly
etta ituulte
oflut,terrupting the Noble Baron.
pktieNito,„ 'UCKINGIIA v said, that Noble Lords
ri:te
la,trotliel°,kf ;Isehtte::( sometimes to use st cessions in the
which, upon of er consideration,
tisktt 4410"411 retract.jutn(l He desired to know whether.
4) etid kiNetnTY fur the Colonic t° charge malversation against
isostit tack G te„l. e °lone s ?
Is,
ereVed that he did not. All he meant to
0, t, ail,. , , extravagance prevailed in the colonial
°tiN,Ctellk. ,liscenlirttl'i!ih°Ped• a better system would be
kt lt,'Vl be. ',Hy said, and he would repeat it,
tie:f 414" h4t he'tnalversation in the Admiralty depart-
iskl Led 'ley fro.„,'"nt by malversation was, the obtain-
ot ape radiomen: for one branch of the ser-
Nee ltikerd ii7g.,,e, it on another, and never afterwards
0 ti,„ „, 4-arliament to explain the transaction.
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No. 12,005.

subject before the House, he would state, that he abstained
from doing so at present, because it was just possible that
it might be made the ground of impeachment.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said, that at; the Noble
Baron was so scrupulous with respect to moving fir pa.
pers, he might as well have not indulged in remarks of
such a painful nature.
Lord GODERICH could not, with any sha low of jus
tire, prefer any charge against his predecessor in office.
The Duke of BUCKINGHAM—The Noble Lord has
spoken like a man of high and honourable feelings.
Earl GREY did not wash to protract this discussion,
which had been occasioned by the introduction of topics
Which- be freely confessed he wished bad been omitted.
There was not the slsghtest ground for impugning the cha-
racter and conduct of the Right Hun. Person who lately
presided ov, r the colonial di pertinent. Ile spoke most
conscientiously when he declared that he did not believe
there existed a pars .rf less likely to be guilty of improper
conduct. With respect to another point, he must ex-
press his deep regret that it had been alluded to in the ab
Hence of the Noble Person who was lately at the head of
the Admiralty. For that Noble Person be entertained the
greatest esteem. There had, he believel, been great ir-
regularities in that department, hut he did not thick that
the Noble Individual at is head intended to do any
thing inconsistent with his duty to the public.
—(Hear, hear.) . With respect to the other great ques-
tion which had been alluded to, he would not say a word,
except in answer to what had fallen from the Nolale Duke.
'He certainly would he prepared, whenever the ~subject
ahould be brought before the House, to state that he
thought the business of the Monarchy might be con-
ducted, and the safety of the Monarchy preserved, more
perfectly under the plan to be submitted to their Lord-
ships, than at the present moment ; and in order to prove
!that he thought he had little more to do than to prove that
t.'si,as not necessary for the conduct of the Government—
that it was not necessary for the safety of the Monarch--
that they shOuld be supported by a system of corruption
ant patronage —( Cheers.)
'TheEarl of HADDINGTON having heard the name
of his Noble Friend lately at the head of the Admiralty
coupled with the words malversation and impeachment,
felt bound to declare, from a knowledge of that Noble
Lord's character, that he was the last man in the world to
be guilty of any thing like malversation.
After a few words from .Lord BEXLEY, Lord KING, and
Earl GREY, the petition was ordered to lie on the t ible.
The Marquis of CLEVELAND had to present a pe•
tition on a subject of considerable importance ; but be-
fore he presented it, he begged to be allowe I to say a few
words upon the subject to which it referred—namely,
Parliament try Reform. Shortly before the recess, he
heard the Noble Earl at the head of his Mdesty's Govern-
ment make a declaration of his intentions in that House,
which gave the utmost satisfaction to the country, and was
highly gratifying to him. Ile could assert, without fear
of contradiction, that during his whole life he had been
friendly to Reform, and as his years had increased,.so lie
thought that the necessity of Reform bad increased. It
would be highly improper for hint to allude to the parti-
culars of any measure before the other House of Parlia-
ment. He knew nothing of that measure except by com-
mon report, but he would say of the general question,
that a Reform of Parliament was absolute necessary—
(Hear, hear)—and he certainly would endeavour to sup-
port it to the best of his power. He very well knew
that he might be looked upon with some degree of suspi-
cion of, that occasion. He bad seen in certain prints, sar-
c :sue allusions to his conflue, and suggestions that be
might be saying one thing and doing another. Any one who
knew him must be aware that lie was incapable of so act-
ing. He had never had but one, opinion on the subject,
and that opinion had been greatly strengthened by recent
events. He wished to guard against its being supposed
that he approved of the measure before the other House
in tutu ; but its principle was good, right, and Just. He
was aware that he stood in a dehca'e situation on the pre-
sent occasion, because within a few hours individuals had
expressed opinions in the other House which might be
supposed to coincide with his. His opinion certainly was
that Reform should be persevered in, and that it never could
b• brought forward in a more favourable manner nor at a
more proper time than at the present moment. He
trusted that when it should be brought &rarer l by Go-
vernment in that House, it would receive all the support
which it justly merited. He wished to guard himself
against being understood to be an extreme Reformer. He
would say " from radicals and ultra Tories good Lord de-
liver us." The Noble Marquis concluded with presenting
the petition, which was from South Shields.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented petitions
from Warrington, and ether places, praying for Reform.
Earl STANHOPE presented a petition from a place in
Kent to the same effect. The Noble Earl declared him-
self to be friendly to the general principle of the measure
proposed by the Government, but thought that it would
require alteration in some of the details.
Lord KING presented petitions for Reform from Brilge
Ward, the I-le of Wight, Shaftesbury, and Kidderminster.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE postponed the motion of which
he had given notice till Thursday.
The Churches' Building Bill passed through a Com-
The House then adourned at Seven o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, MARcH 3.

The House was occupied till a Quarter past Five o'clock
in ballotting for Committees on the Durham city, Gran-
tham, and Hvthe election peetions.
Mr. DUNDAS, the Chairman of the Committee on the
Galway county election petition, brought up the report of
that Committee, confirming the election of the sitting
Members.—The petition was neither frivolous nor vexa-
tious.

POPULATION RETURNS OF CITIES AND BO-
ROUGKS.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL, after some obstrvations
which were inaudible in the gallery, moved for a return of
the population in each borough in England and Wales re-
turning Members to serve in Parliament, of which the
population in 1821 did not exceed 2,000 souls,—of the
number of electors in those boroughs who had polled at
&election in those boroughs durinr, the last 30 years, an 1 of
the number of persons in them who were rated to the in-
habited house duty above 101. annually. He also moved
for a similar return in all boroughs, where the number of
the population did not exceed 5,000 at the census of 1821.
Sir C. 'WETHERELL wished to know the Noble
Lord's object in moving for those returns? Was his mo •
tion made with reference to the Parliamentary Reform
Bill ? _ _ _

Lord J. RUSSELL, in answer, said that the object of
his motion was to put the House in possession of the
fullest information with respect to the actual population of
the boroughs and towns which his Bill would affect.
Sir C, WETHERELL must say that the course of
proceeding of the Cabinet and its deputy was from time
beginning to the end most extraordinary, to say the least
of it. Here they bring forward a measure involving the
very integrity of the Constitution, on which it menaced the
most flagrant breach, and contrary to all precedent, in the
teeth of common sense, instead of obtaining the necessary
preliminary information, preceding of course, in point of
time, they, it appeafs, are going to ask tl:e House to
legislate on posthumous information.—(Hear, hear.)—
Why presume to bring in a Bill without having first ob-
tained the information necessary to its thorough elucidation?
Mr. O'CONNELL begged to remind the Hon. and
Learned Member, first, that the Bill was not yet brought
in, and that in the next place the information was not in-
tended so much to satisfy the minds of the advocates of
the measure as to preclude all random a,r,ertions on the part
of its opponents.—(Hear.)
The CILINCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER made
some observations which were very indistinctly heard in
the gallery. We understood him to remark, that the re-
turns for which his Noble Friend moved, would give no
additional information to the House, as it was already in
gross upon time table. But thenoulat
to obtain
ts
aitb,stlrlaiem.;uni
Gen-
tlemen must wade through the population
the object of his Noble Friend's motion was to facilitate
their researches, by placing it befor,: them in a concise
and summary shape
Lord L. GOWER said, that if this information were
already on the table of the House, be.cculd see no occa-
sion why the Noble Lord should move for its production
in another shape.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL, in reply to an ohsemvation
made by the Hon. and Learned Member for Borough-
bridge, said, that if be had moved for the production of
this information before he had brought in his Bill, In.
should have let Hon. Gentlemen into the whole secret of