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London, England, 1831-03-02 00:00:00

net a Minister of the Crown,
(Cheers.) The Noble Lord had stigmatized both___H
and the Crown, and this in language which be .T1,..r1
yet beard from any reformer, either in or out of r'_i
ruepoflenc ted
Parliamenta ll their
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merit. (The confusion in the House much inter.Ti
the Hon. Baronet.) The Noble Lord had said tna ..,
proposition was supported by the demands of the Pet
He hoped that the debates of that House would °,,e
conducted without any reference to the number of dean
o
from out of doors, and that the House would nevellacti
such things to interfere with its deliberative eitl`fra.,
But he denied that the people did demand form
(Laughter.) He was perfectly well aware that a' ''. ti
periods similar arguments had been used, althol!!: 0,
with similar authority, but yet with great aufhoril,..
the House was called upon to reform itself, for the
Pe""
demanded it. u had °'
Lord JOHN RUSSELL rose to explain. He sets
used the word demand, without qualifying it. .1
' of tl
he had used was, he believed, the just demand' ,
people. • ode
Sir R. INGLIS continued—lf the Noble Lord
that the demand of the people was nut to end in tit
odes
tion, he would submit to the correction ; but as tic by iv tli
stood the phrase, and as it was probably understo ;a ti
majority of those who heard it—(llear)--it sect
imply, that if the House did not grant it, the peop esna i
take the remedy in their own hands —(Hear,lo,lol
cry of " No, no.")—At very many periods in the his inter,
this country (he was going to state, when be Olio
rupted), many applications had been made for o`oooe
though probably they may not be so vehement oes°
90 or
rous as at present; but at all events they Werfloatieed
merous as justify the exclamations then which t f;., SP.,
heard, with the distinction, that they now came 13;,' eel'
House backed with the authority of the MIN 'SOY. P re,
not fatigue the House with any reference to ver/ igie
times; but there was a passage in Burke vabie"+b-e CIO"
almost exactly t° 'efitit";
(changingsent peried o. n l yTthhee
passage
ea
" Thoughts on the CausepwpoalfYs
and it appeared so extraordinarily applicable 01100
sent state of things, that when he should read it 01
House, he thought they would venture to say, te,
present apprehensions taight be outlived, just 'd ,1,10,r
those which were painted so strongly in Mr. Bunke Ai/
vations. The passage ran thus—" There is B°9!
particularly alarming in the present conjuncture' eel,'
is hardly a man in or out of power who holds alO,
tfirieomparessreonrtk
nofisletiosiiibegor;
language ; that hardly anything above or helms', sh!oss'
at home, is eound and entire ; but that disconoec9,4oo,
confusion in offices, in parties, in families, in Parwid
in the nation, prevail beyond the disorders of anY '-osi
time. These are farts universally admitted end 01:0°
This state of things is the more extraordinary, he°3,ol-thi
great parties which formerly divided and agitie.olll
kingdom, are known to be in a manner entirely 'i
No great external calamity has visited the nation der
tilence or famine. We do not labour at present ti.ti,
scheme of taxation, new or oppressive in the quswiceoA
in the mode. Nor are we engaged in nestiosdr
wars, in which our misfortunes might easi,_lY,,i, i
our judgment." This was the statement Wu'rjoil'
Burke had thought fit to make ; but all this We 21' oil
lira By relying en the vigour and the firtnne39oo
Government, all these things had been removcilld ,
being removed, the ronstitution of the country moofil
preserved entire. From the siaternent of another 00
would appear, that in the year 1782, the people fie
Reform so earnestly, that it was in vain to thin!' Of t be
it ; that in fact, there was hardly an hour to spcse;l,o,
quoting Horne Tooke, when be sold " That the prop )"f
be satisfied in their just expectations, and that ;he Of
tens would grant what they were no longer able W .
be would ve,itnre to assert that they would not mu' t
refuse." He (Sir R. Inglis) was ready to admit di,il
was an expectation now existing among the peollk'ealel
to the extent stated by the Noble Lord. The 10,1 •
citation had arisen from the example of France `rssil
gium.—(Hear.) It was ail to be found in the Off•
of Paris, and the events which had followed tWeile
days.—(Loud cries of hear,) When there s'e39,:j.:.
citement of insurrection in other countries, i$ ,p,
found to be un epidemic disease, and, as such, bee
this country also, whether through the air, or Ow!:
by direct c‘artact, he did not know ; but this at j
certain, that simultaneous popular tumults were Pfgpooar
—(Hear, }less.) The same remarkable effect w'
dared in 1793, and in Condorcet there was
.na Oa
which particularly referred to Paiiiarnentary l'esl#
this country. Condorcet observed, that ‘!` Since Se
• plosion of liberty in France, a hollow fernatt.tsn" ' .
shown itself in England, and bed wore than oneero,o
certed the Ministry; popular societies had been f°
, the three kingdoms, and the necessity of Poi°
Reform wee es much talked of as that. of callings.,
the States-Gereeral had been in France in
t„;11
1787. It was well known hat numbers lig/ cyoe
id•
to enlighten the people of England, who tit °Ur
and wished for such alteration as would .irresisPrre
then along. The opening of the coming 13.„
'"its
would be the occasion of such a Reform as ".00'
urgently required ; end from thence the forMaol
Republic would be less tedious, because the seeds °los"
had king been planted in England." The con e 4, iy
the Reform that was proposed—let it be called
name it would—would ha that the whole of 00'11
would be placed in the hinds of the people. i.Arills
were disposed to admit the facts of the Noble hi
tpbeuerot:mttio:
should deny his inference. They were sent the.reheit ti
wwhasicah7gatorisenf:t:tttigo:rendoeciatsi:eiteiuigensniiterstirtadniyot:enani
number
übt
betweenl
dbacyeraortltoy day according to bet
been rre,ented to that House—he meant t," ~d •
Catholic question. In that instance:, as he 11" tie"
f theu dp
etSgthitmitansi
oteeenn.as—t:e(afvl fonerr,ei at,i?1,13.::::
viteleS'eo
at the time, the people prayed for the co°l2,oaaat,
what they a'ready possessed ; in this instance,
Old su
were aelijng for was a change; tied he never '6'°, viltsl
that a roan could have so good a judgment niw.,°„r, 'A
had not, as about what be actually bad.--(11e-;,,
It was, therefore, no inconsistency in him to Inv'Popleat
the House then to support the prayer of the pine a)
now (even if he believed that it was the de ° ; 1
people) to refuse their demand. He was allot, fill
mere multiplication of the numbers entitled t° isiff..,,Y,
presentatives could be of no advantage to the cot oaf
without quoting a very trite remark, he InigLi o'l
that it was quite as possib!e for great tyrannY ~- fort:,
hands of many as of one. He cent-ended, theher; '
to increase the number of voters throughout too ,d-r ,
by a million, would not add either to the free.rlrge
value of the deliberations of that House. irbepjoress
sent there for the particular spot that they r-t'oer,A,
for if they would look at the King's writ sent bet :0
ltallain,lrii;letisiniitige
te:goffieou:n:y:(n,,gfatsi:riev,:ye/cieulilvihroaeuods:‘:ifolosieretitiThettsei;sotria'lel ell; übliilefo 1;H
required to attend to consider the affairs of t
arp A
ference to the particular place which they both,
At one time such an argument might havea
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reeri
sorb
~,,
when it was necessary that the Member fotr e''' iv
should belong to that very borough which be fiollos5:40
but since the passing of the Act by which ' pOr„ ?
Members were accepted as eligible, there sylortVi
specifically to unite them to the local intereo- a, f 7.,,"
:pi
which they represented. When a iiierniAZr slr. Ole'
lni
to that House, he ceased to be responsible
envy. It was at the end of the period whia, tbv lid
serve in Parliament that he again came hef°ribeftdit,i
)
it was then only that he was accountable tom ',jot,'
Noble Lord, like many other theorists, fll.oepli 0/r
dasttFtwKioeitair,jeone:tanmr,yuenwsgtehet,iiioesoli;l:hosttio—livhairh:e.ttli:::,iotlwvasneoeories.jaeri3uafpa(knfr)elrir,d.her;:ogy,iejleoaluddetthatealiiiiiaree,s,rdt.ros)toihpc—vieavdmtosositnflieiirecrntyhaonfrltve like
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was no; to be found in any part of the prect,iced ' Stl,,,k,
s
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d
cli
Lord might meet with favour;
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fromw e were allele which
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specs to the constituent duty. Ile kl'etoquisl4 berbi
took on - thernsOyes to talk of rePreB-00.-_, sr of
founded on the basis of population oc, apintstoty
he could find no trace of such a principle Tot °,oplet
cent times of our Constitution. He coil' bees,i sito
any period of our history popnlation 11°°,44 tre:desne
basis of representation. The Noble Lord;' or Li,!°i
had grounded his plan on the principle ° d Gati lro
and as they had called upon Old Sarum meter vcostik
turn Members, se he would call on illannt 0 hod e
He (Sir R. Inglis), however,. finis:: °IWO. bee
whether at any period of our history P°Porogto , At
entered into the-calculation on whichi.,,lo4o,,stelet
called upon to send representatives to 1-, ld by„,JP
same time he knew that it had been Pei, loovirest°
authority than Mr. Hallam, that if tbse: pot fr„iisortb
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map of England and saw a place that was no ',put
now, it was certain that it was a Place _s, thi c°
when the system of the representation.7if tbef 90 •
been formed. He thought, however, tblis .01
into the subject, they would End that w

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