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relareaersted its. inefficient. fie blttrrneq -them 'for the
deficiency of their owe performanee, and for a'he
cal ofolficers who have done Vtaell,Merelibec*:e thee
were objets of private pique. Lie.joined heartil-/ ha.
that part of the Addreas which plelged every heart
and every hand to the defence of the Ceuntry.; and
if there had been a disposition, on the part of our Go-,
verntnent, to sacrifice part of what was neceasery to
the balance of power, the ill success of that ilisposi-
thin afforded double motives for vigorous exertion it
war. Now was the time to put forth British lin'titude.
In peace, nought was so- becoming as meekness ; hut
when the trump of war was sounded, the sinews oeeiet
to stiffen and the senses become- fierce as those of a
tiger. Let Ministers be vigilant and attentive. !;ind!
they should have his support ; not uniform eunquile
lifted support, for bethought it right to keep them
alert by adMonition and eirstigeion, but qualified
and rational support, according as they should be
found to deserve it., He begged theM to accept the
assurances of his high consideration. To his Ma-
jesty he wished to convey the fullest nesuratice °lithe
willing and loyal deVOtioe of his faithful sulaietis-.
Sir THOMAS TIMT N, in .prOceeding to cow-
skier this question, thought it right to divide it into
three stages. The first was from the L'Oth of April
to the arrival of Lord Yarmouth in England. The
i•second was from that to the conciusien of IrOul;ril's
Treatrg and the third from that to the conclusion.
With respeet,to the eurnmencement of the-Negotia-
tion, there was no doubt as to the motives which
led our Government to it. When no apparent ad-
• Vat-nage secened likely to restvt froat war, it be-
came a duty to try what could be doite by. Nego-
tiation. This was certainly the 'motive- of • the
great . Statesman who had condurted rho Negoe
Elation-sae Statesman whom, though he gelieraliy
difired Ir6d, him on political subjet'As, he acknow-
ledged to be the-finest person to conclua a Nego-
tiation with Tellevrand, ina-much as candour and'
manly plainness were the best !teems of foiling endl..
baffling craft. He did not look upt;n a Negotiaiien
on the basis of the Treaty of Amiens as so very
alarming as it •was
.described to be out of doors.
Though Bonaparte May pin ships, and coloMea,
and commerce, he could never gain a goWth of
English sailors,. and therefore we had nothing to
-fear., The superior skill and elegance of our fa-
brics would always secure the corn nerce and mae
nufeiares of our
.country. f e was of opinion,
that the assassin whom Mr. Fox denounCeds Was a
spy, of the French Government, like M(Atee' de Li
Touche. Ooly three points were agreed upon,inthe
long. Negotiation that had taken' place, the integrity
of the Turkish Empire,, thecessiOil of Hanover, and
-the right of Britain to interfere with the arratgemeota'
of the Continent. We refesed, however, to treat
ferther without Ilussia, and on what grounds • We
had no treaty with Russia, except the treaty of con.:
cert. .That was a treaty of subsidy and of Milli- try:
operation. In this sense it could not be in , force, far
since the battle of Austerlitz no Russian army had
acted, and therefore no subsidy could be chinned:
The basis of the iti possidetis, stshj..•et to -exchanee-
and cession, had been aeled upois. It was impeesibie
to imagine any thing so vague :Is the princeee of a
Peace. honourableto both parties ; for t he honour of
each, .and what that hohouy 'required, was entirely
in its own conception. He condemn -Ate use-of.a.
person, not used to diplomatic transactions,' in the
conduCt of the Negotiation.. Hen experienced per-
son had been employed, the,be.eis would have been
,early acknowledged, or the Negotiation would lave-
beet) orokett oil. The Negotiation wag tneavt but to
entrap; andhence theaversien to written documents:
T•
he proposition to indemnify the Kite; of Naples by
.the seizere of the Hatise Towns, ouOt-to have beet)
Keipaed with inlighation. He thought the reasons
.assigned by the Noble Lord for producing his full
powers, ought to acquit Minister on that ground.
The first Note of the Noble Lord said, oft his c,.
.first .Note to General Clarke, he eves ready to
discuss-the basis of a General Peace. 'Hence it was
to be inferred; that the
basis was not considered as
.settled.
He sheuld have thought that Lord Lau-
derdale would have been instrhaled to brink this
matter to a conclusion. Till the 20th April absolately
hnothing wasdone, awl the whole six menths passel
in Negotiation were nugatory. Though it may be
a question, whether:lTOubril had exceeded. his-
,powers in concluding ;he Treaty
.he had 'signed,
there could be no doubt .that he had hut-11061y to
treat separately ; and there were even rnmours that
Negotiations were pine on at St. Peterebergh at
the present triozilent.
.thought we should- con-
the.refores whether Rtissia had a daitri on us
for all tl-,k attentioneoinonntieg to a reftisal to make i.
peace .without her, even when there could be'
no assurance that she -was as decidedly with us.—
As to thereaestionrespeaing f-lanover, there Was no
diciton that was not prepared to make- any sacrifice
for recovery', if the loss of His Majesty's Elec-
toral Dominions would produce a lv rinklc. on the
brow of his declining years. He could not i,.gree
with the Noble Lord, *that; if we had secured
and Dalmatia, we, might have givt n up all our other
conquests. He saw no reason teiliv we should not
have claimed Naples as well as Sicily, It appeared
to him extraordinary, that the question of Indemnity
for. the King of Sardinia, 'who bad - been ' abane
dotted at the Treaty .ot Amiens., had been 'j
this instance revived. . He"was sorry- to differ
from his Honotirable. Friend, with' respe& to'
the policy of our supporting Prussia. The whole
,history of that Power, for the last sixty years,
shewed. that her invariable policy was ditefted to her
own aggrandizement. , She had been theeternal ene.
„tny of Austria, and the uniform friend of all the dif.;.'
ferent successive Governments of France since the
French Revolution. He was glad to have observed
In the Address on the Speech at the opening of di.
Session, that there was none of that desponding' lan-
guage of exhausted means and dilapidated resources,
used on other oceasions,contained in it. Theresources
of the Empire were said to remain unimpaired, and if
they were unimpaired, it was owing to the measures
of that great Statesman now no more; to whose . po-
litics he had himself been always attached. The
Sinkingiund, which had, been the work of that if- ;
lustrious Statesman, was that to which this Country ;-
owed all its prosperity:. It was:the record of his
services; and well heemieht have said, when be-
queathing such a boon to his Country—
" Non omnius -
• Muliaque pars mei vitabet ruinam."
1-kkhoPed the Hoit.. Geatleman,opposite- wash) not ,
hereafter give way -to such desponding language as
'was contained in the letter, of the' Noble Lard oppo-
site to the Lord Mayo, on. the subjea of, the cap-

' titre 'Of Hart-,bUrgle That Noble Lord. appeired
`steneWhat partial to these'cOrtimunicationOie did.not
mean to Say, however, that he was inflnetieed in that
reveEt be the cucoethes scribe i., The Hon.'
roast cointrited with some seeerlfy upon the con
teks of the letter alluded to. He recomMended to
the: Nellie Lord, not to make such communications
in future and concluded, by assuring the House of
his gratitude thrTheir indulgence, and that, tho Ugh
he had traspAsed at some length upon their patience,
he had not uttered a single ,sentithent that was not
sincerely :led conscientiou-sly the result of his tin,
biassed jodgment and perfeet consideration.
Mr. 11/711rBRE)ID had been desirous of addresi-
ing what he had to say to the House acter the speech
.of the Hon. Gentleman who had preceded the Ho&.
Baronet that bad just sat down. He was the more
anxious to 'succeed that Gentleman in the discussion,
because, though he had shown much classical infor-
Motion, and had illustrated his sentiments by lively
,elassical allusions, there were many sentiments con-
a:aieed his'extraorditlary speech that would excite
feelings Of deep regret in the minds of the .friends of
both the Statesmen who were unfor-eo"
timately no Mere. The Honourable Gentleman,
had' the tight proper to allude 'to political differences
which had ekisled at a period now passed. : But
when' ?he Hcilionoftrable Gentleman adverted to
anhnosities that had 'formerly been en-
tertaitted, he Seethed to have forgotten that these
animosities lead been buried in oblivion; and that
one of 'those IllestrieuseCharlAers had, on a subse,
quint oceasion, thought himself warranted, in re-
cenimetel;ng the either to his Alajesey es a most proper,.
person to beintrideced into his Majesty's Councils.
The Honourable -Gentlemati had forgotten this cir-
cumstance, and by his speech eteleavoered toirevive
art nesities svbk,h oo longer exist: The Honour-
able elentlenem had_ also thouele proper to. find
fitult with the appointMent of a ,Noble Lerdes our"
Negotiator, becaese he had def.:red withehat Noble
Lord upon 50111(;', itical tupias, a former instance.
But differing, as he did, with that Honourable Gen-
tleinan,:totirily as to the question 'of the Neo-etia-
lion, getterally as to the charge that that Noble: Lord
had snifered himself to be the 'depe of the
artifices of the French Government, as to the policy'
of enterieg itee the-Nogotiatioti at all, and as to rho
.eircainstances which prevented its leading to the coe-
elusion of Peace; he could not bat expr*.ble-
.cided disappreb3tl9ll of the preteiples sled positions
;aid down by that +lone Gentleman. According to
his
,reasoning, there could not et anytime ife a pro-
spa of attaining Peace, whilst the present Govern-
ment should preside o'er the atnirs Ftence. And-
lie, was parry: to find that sled] doetrines seemed to
have received cobsiderable etivoureeenent. from
language employed by' his Noble 1.4-iketd, in his vete-
eloquent spcece at the opeierog of t Debate. AQ,
,
, •.
cordeia to SliCh views, it win appear, that; etno.e
ahne, nor under any. ciredinstances, could hiS
der's Miuisters thine. that their dusty obliged thew to
advise his Mejesty to reneey theNeeetiattun wie-otte
present GovernmkettN of Franee for Peazee eitaelee
could not conceive it eos.ihie Ce' sticti. a eituatiott of
thiees to takeplace, in which it would ha be the duty
u t 2%.lajeste'!.; tuisters, ou any favourable epening,
to advise his Alajosty to renew his gracious ettOrts for
the restoration of Peace mains. Country and to the
world. "He felt that- he owed it io his reverence fin-
the inemoky eif the. departed Statesman, to his at,
Web neht to deatfrigndS, and-elear cotynexions,•to his--
veneration for the wisdom of the dead, and his ad-
miration of the integrity and talentS of the living, to
give them credit for the sincerity. with which the7Ne-.
gotixion had. been entered into for the purpose. of
restoring Peace to the two Nations. Biassed, as he
must naturally have been, under such impressions,
he. had taken it for granted, that every, alert had
been made to procure this desirable object ; and
that, if Peace could not have been concluded, it was
owing to the ambition of France. But, whLin -the
doctune;its had been produced, he was extremely
disappointedeon tiekling- that all had not been done
which ought to have'been done, he was ready to.
coetess.; and feeling in that • way, he
,shOuld be
ashamed not to proiesse that there were many parts
itt the conduA otehis•Nego.flation which he did not
approve. Although ,his. Noble Friend had stated, -
that no difference of opinion had prevailed in his
Majesty's Councils previous to the political death of
that great States Man, whose loss the country had
now more reason than evert() deplore, he- could not
bat remark, that the beginning and end of the. Ne-
gotiation appeared to him to. have a very different
charade. As to what had been said of the com-
. mencement of the Negotiation, and the observations
that had been made Lyon the letter of Mr. Fox,..
which ,had given rise to the first overture. from M.
T.ilLevrallci., he shouidonly say, that if he were to
Wish for arty occasion for the display of the generous
humanity that actuated the conduct of the enlight-
ened Statesman who had sent that first' letter, he
could not devise one better ::.ticulated to, shew it to
advantage. In the situation in which the two con-
tending countries
.were placed, though engaged in
the prosecution. of active-hostilities,. there 'was no
generous mind that would not be ready to admit,
that the earlieSt information ought to have been gi-
ven on the subject of the ..horrible proposal which
was the subjea of the letter in question. This- was
no ogling for Peace, no advantage towards ate over-.
titre,'
,and every per Son who had known Mr. Fox,
must
.have known, however, that it was not con-
sistent with his noble, generous, and manly nature,
not to give the earliest, intimation of the prOjed of
assassination. The answer of M. Talleyrand to this.
letter had led to the Negotiation. He could wish to
avoid going into any detail in the consideration' of.
this question ; but as.he had the misfortune to
dif-
fer from
,those with whom he bad agreed on most
other occasions, he trusted the House would alloW
him to state the cause of that.ditTerence. It was itti
poSsible, in looking at the Papers on this subject, not
to be struck with the open, manly, generous, frank,
and candid character that marked the letterS of the
illustrious Statestitan now no more. By the em-
ployment of such a ,style of communication, that
distinguished Statesman got himself rid of the usual
intricacies of diplomacy. Ho got rid too of the
Treaty of Aaniensewhich was-first.mentioned to him
as the basis of a Negotiation, because he foresaw that
it would create numberless differences. For this
basis he proposed to substitute the generous pried•
pie, that the peace to be concluded should be ho
nourable for the two Countries and their Allies.—
Mr. Fox had entertained a 'jealousy against the'
French Got ernmept, founded in porno Lxisseges of