The Sun.
London, England, 1836-10-19 00:00:00

e•--(
far,
oßoars of laughter, and great cheering.) So
Theivever, the Gentleman, whoever he was, wrote well.
ch
such i,)o
letterl.4a
Gentlenian then read further extracts from the
matl n.e:etil:B :4ceeded. It certainly was not notified that
should be held to-day ;he certainly saw no
pheal -cation ; but this individual, on the spirit of pro-
tete._ Jad ventured to predict that such would be its na-
kjog i,(Cbeers.) He was satisfied, however, notwithstand-
aree" the writer had said, that if he had nothing more to
trivenPt from infidelity and sedition, he would not have
411 d cities hitself any trouble about the matter.—(Cheers,
fter,°f " Hear.") He was sorry that he should, how-
if eh have taken Church-rates into his consideration, because
the Church rates were one of his defences, it was true that
I,oB.PP.2tent meeting had congregated together for the pur-
iiidi'v,.;t Possible, of putting ern end to them, not only by their
teia
,Ilaal exertions, but by their purse. This Gentleman bad
to`tillue Dissenters that they were exceedingly ungrateful
tioe e .cerc, considering the kind toleration and protec-
,_ which they bad enjoyed' ; considering, perhaps,. that they.
"re too •
the Frio, ign.orant to understand the figurative language of
Tte let dlr oak that sheltered them.(Great cheering.)
e was signed " No Bigot."—(Great laughter.)
the , Writer had no doubt forgot that the toleration which
th. "issenters had enjoyed was not from the Church, but
Constitution.—(Cheers.) It was under the oak of the
Loinzstitution toleration was enjoyed by the Dissenters, who
the looked
t° the constitution as their own, and while they had
I._ Protection of its arms they had no fear for the
v:4Blstablisbment of that state of the Church, when there
oth ne toleration.—(Cheers.) The toleration given to
(Cielr bissenters was the right to worship their God.--
seateei.e.ts.) If it was a crime to worship God by the Dis-
the, their own way, why then put them down ?—(Great
tecortdin•g); hut, if they had the right to worship their God
tesfer 1,4' to their conscience, then they ought not to bein-
of the with, for any interference would be a usurpation
the LPivint prerogative.—(Cheers.) It was said that
the f lstenters were fond of agitation ; why, whatdwhaes
Irstist4et ?--the party agitating were in possession, ri
be Mad indeed, if he desired to be disturbed.—
if
144 •
to ,innebt, however, be improperly in possession, and
rates sooner sooner he was turned out the better. Church
they Were an unjust possession--(Cheers)—and the sooner
agel,„w, ere done away with the better. The Ministers,
ele.ite;wh,.otn the resolution he was about to second, dis-
tioo all hostile feelings, were only the transient forma-
itiost"L' !bat middle condition, out of which the Dissenters
They wing them by working them well.—(Great cheering.)
woofe.nst just deal with his Majesty's Ministers as they
mid rate,
a strata of coal—bring them up from their dor-
ile,,-‘ate, in which they are useless, to activity.—(Cheers.)
the4l4lequired a great display of national feeling to bring
eiorrward.......(Cheers.) He could not be expected to
they ate themselves willingly.--(Cheers.) But when
too4Zre told by the nation that they must go on, they.
of eh °e compelled to do so.—(Cheers.)
.The question
here Church
rates was a question of mere justice.
for anything like justice in compelling a man to pay
he at.fer which he received no compensation ?—(Cheers.)
should as asked to pay for a building into which he
might i_never enter, at the same time being told that he
°ft °I'M a place of his own, and might think himself well
bei
told% rig allowed to do so.--(Cheers.) He might be
thsttat, he must ay, but he must not afterwards be told
p°litr al Was Justice. If the question was looked at as
.a,
question, was it to be said that his Majesty's Mi-
offielmaters and the Legislature were for ever performing the
le,„1 churchwardens—were they to descend from the high
;`l,°eY held in the Constitution to the office of collectors of
11011se"rates Certainly not. He was sorry that the
bees of of which the Hon. Chairman was a member had
Ch„ "Le often the arena of struggles with respect to the
teed (Cheers)—and he must confess that he had often
blots ,ashamed of the way in which the House of Com-
tioewukl been employed.—(Cheers.) Whether the ques-
tooe,i as considered as a question of justice, religion, or a
the ;;,,and enlightened policy, it was a question from which
Maud
and the Imperial Parliament should be re-
objeer**--(Cries of " Hear.") It was the duty of those who
to „-„'Lecl to the agitation of the question of Church-rates,
etil,"PPort their own Church, and to leave the Dissenters,
000eleY,always had done, to support themselves. H. e would
e
Ivh, 1,4 M by seconding the
.resolution, and entreatindg
breakt
felL'ePrecated the agitation of Church-rates, an
rates from all those who did so, taking no Church-
isoot of their pockets.
tote Resolution was then put from the Chair and carried
-mioaou
sY.
tteid " HARVEY, Esq., rose to propose the 2d resolution
tees" Much cheering. Born and educated a Dissenter,
NOl)iiP,,ee_red upon the present occasion a Dissenter from
(it fro/ and conviction. It was with great pleasure, as well
tioe
.111 a sense of duty, that he was present on the, occa-
tifyiz.at the same time, it would have been more gra-
reeet"i% to, him to
have been a silent auditor of the
0r0e,e,°,7: Ulan to have taken any prominent part in its
`Qhf, ;41gs. He thought so the more because he felt upon
as
°Pen many other public occasions, how difficult it
le ,chr a Man who enderiyoured to think for himself to be
tresti'l all occasions to adapt himself to those general in.i-
Ny.rs, whose reerfgnition might be essential to unam-
kLstaiineepld not go so far as one of the speakers had done
'adhs,P '4°411 had been attemptedwhich the people of Eng-
tefo":„..,a,instrright to expect from aGovernment,the offspring
ti`e'e pro aria the country. I think the measures they
t men posed, not as it was intimated. by the Rev. Gen-
h,at ars :woo bad addressed this meeting by Lord Althorp,
ftetltii'lltya._suggested by the head of the present overn-
, Wee tiouse of Commons at the close of thesessicn.
i7Ofo
~uesirable that they should understand, which he
5.'44118-e.4i. he could not do, what course they intended to
oth,eb' lor it would be far better that Church-rates remain
gf:evW:jthW.er.e, to be dealt with as the public indignation knew
ore the that any half measure should be brought forward.
id nb",eY to tolerate the present system, were they to re-
n" at '"•Let under an apprehension that the Whig Govern-
oftlit'ght fall topieces about their ears, amidst the howl-
'oet, tue Storna
Qild th - • (Laughter.) Let that feeling pervade
1,, too f en the question would be placed upon a foun-
-11,4, at parte'est desireable, and much more. oppressive than it
f ailY sent. The Church-rate as it now stood was vir-
ar an (41e• The decree of the popular will had gone
_
sits
(ley, though here and there a sturdy churchwarden
1,,,y 84 tee of the Church might prevail, it could not Alanpos-
ve more than one year, or at most two.—(Cheers.)
that ~n-tQl°.f._tlie Government was' to place the obnoxious rate
gist the tax. for ever. His friend Mr. Hume was afraid
`V alias ,i_4l objectors would be the House
.of Lords—he
'at "ne question—they would be delighted with it.
‘3f
e said the
11,04410 p, organ of
.th. e Church in the House
tort / "3, to the proposition of Lord Althorp ? Sir
the"as 4,,,nalit, with all that caution and cunning for which
act idteutiremarkable, said, " Do I understand' that it is
the°n of the Noble Lord to transfer the Church-rates
bar,to Consolidated Fund, but to make it a perpetualhe
iatof t 0 the land-tax?" Why every Peer, from t
laliatite,."ewcastle down—every Prelate, from the wily
Lgt too titan
Fulham—(Loud cheers)—down to the monk-
-1.4,1t4—g,a of Exeter—(Loud cheering)—would be de-
vil `4 owl_a the change. They would receive the. proposition
Ytle
tta,,,eeiiii at, because if they gave vent to their joy, to their
te laid fgs, they would be afraid the people might see the
tieltThe °r
them, but their congratulations would be s In
sAs Would not have it charged upon the consolidated
'IV' to faltleY knew that it was annually open to the scru-
-11,4ay wei4recteristic of his Hon. Friend Mr. Humfe.—d
alit4 tts knew that 250,000/. charged upon that. him
teialltht, l‘nquiry into the light-houses of. the .
thiseL'l ~,t)."-and few would be the Sessions till it
might
his e-zi to the measure of economy which he
1110 fat, (Cries. of " Hear, hear," and cheers.) It
the it' et which ought to be well known, that though_
t.lie;"ost e.,Meeting were Dissenters, yet that. many. of
lot het
"tails and honest Churchmen bid high in fur-
-411 "_hus°4' their object.—(Cheers.) It was all very well
°it who ...tnen, Ministers of the Church, to say that
thetea4of tiZnnti their shops, were against the
tad odi eetmg—that was, in the same spirit as that
bare, cruderrchi, who thought that all tenants who held
te e`",-(l them the
vit-13/4tabnglites.) were Conservatives, because y
All honest Churchmenmust
tOsdke -,,tn• Could any one of that class desirekept
tliat
aGd eetl e**""l3 wine and his minister should be kep up by
tic relati:utribution levied upon his friends, his brethren,.
tOpeario4 48? It was no essential part of their religion, it was
tie 'tier% of theirs, but they were goaded on by.
Itoh;it'ago.iWh° were interested in the matter. If it wa.st
toe;tl ek between the Dissenters and the Church, I
Athatotre°me a question of numbers, and it would be
Rill 'era t "e Ministers of the Church would instruct all the
theci 0 res.
the Ple of istthe just demands of the Dissenters, on the
ablest le ending by the Church.—(Cheers.) Some of
stihnritte4 uert of the Established Church had spoken
has eh of favour of a system which would throw the
tp44l,cheeri4 at, Church upon itself.—(Hear hear.) It
tie ofthe tnat though a majority was against them,
1'4,1°18n-111,11 T of the Church leaders were in their favour.
after geld .-hP'eased at the present and similar meetings that
,the sign was pleased particularly with that meeting
444 ‘aeotie"'ner in which the eloquent speech of the
thell .man
decdh been received. He would stop a mo-
t 'el
nd to say that he was proud to see the
too rig forv, Preachers of the Dissenting body were now
htoa+rjlill the cause. They had confined themselves
les 'the 4104 their meetings in Redcross-street, and with the
passed there in secret conclave—he was glad to
corning forward and meeting the case
It to 4to the present day it was too much the
ieratio Pralse th
V n'''
h"` Persecution word 4, toleration." What was
o 41:(1 it but P ecution in disguise ?—(Loud cheers.)
csh_
an
of it, became Poore subtle, according to
4kb, out. s. oPPonents. In former times those who now
of
tale I)lsledititerhis
;priwroaise of toleration manacled the
fj they were contented to forego