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London, England, 1809-04-26 00:00:00

Mr. WINDHAM thought the mode of proceeding
proposed against the Noble Lord was severe out of
allpropo rtion to thetiffenee; a distinaiote should. be
made between the aa and the principle; and the
offence and the offender.- lithe House passed to the
Order of the Day, they would seem to pess over the
transaaion unnoticed? if they adopted the Resolu-
tion, they would vote a punishment beyond the mea-
sure of the crime. eDid.no Individuals exert influ-
ence at eleaions'; and were Ministers the only per-
sons to be precluded' from exerting such influence ?
That itdluenee consisted in property, in conneaiens,
psrhaps was resolvable ultimately into money ; but
should it be less fair to use it In support of Govern-
ment, than to exert it in opposition to GovernMent
Besides, in the present instance the at was only in-
choate, and had never been completed. It, there-
fore, did not furnish matter to criinieate the Noble
Viscount. ' He wakfar fiom believing that the num-
ber otothose were few who looked for reform, which
in accomplishing, it was acknewledged, that the
people did not well know where to begin or where
to end; the observation would be found to be just.
In his opinion, the moment a single brick was taken
from the edifice, the whole would tumble to the
ground, and parliamentary reform would be found
I 0 close in universal revolution.
Mr. WHITBREAD began by moving, that the re-
solption of 1779, to which a Learned Friend of his
had alluded, be read'.—The resolution was 'read ac-
cordingly, which stated, that any Lord Lieutenant
of a County or any Minister of the Crown, who in-
terfered in Bice-lions, was guilty Gr a high breach of
the privileges of that House. It this is not the case
of the Noble, Viscount, said Mr. Whitbread, it is
hard to say what is; ;:rid if it fall under the descrip-
- .tien of that resolution, is it possible to overlook it
and pass to the Order of the Day ? certainly had
no political prklileaion for the Noble Lord; yet the
menner in which he stated his case excited pity in
him, and might have diSartned justice, were it not
recollected that his offence was one of ale greatest of
political crimes. How did it differ,' or rather was it
.not much more heinous than the offence of the poor
Plymouth tinman against Mr..Addington, or the at.
tempt on the part of Dr. Ileazely to bribe the Duke
of Portiaud ? They only tendered a bribe; and did
not the Noble Viscount tender Writerships Gen-
tlemen might talk of moderation, and• of middle
entities others seemed desirous to do nothing at
all : but would that gain' the confidence Of the Coun-
try, or satisfy the calls of justice ? What must the
Country think if. such an offence passed unnoticed,
but that the whole of the House were.so corrupt
that they could not venture to punish any who Hp-
. peatect guilty, .for • all were consciouseof the saute
guilt. Au Hoe. Gent. (Me. Lascelles) seemed to
think that the Noble Viscount's intentions were so
pure and good, that he should be indulged with a
of indemnity. The preamble of such a Bill
would certainly be.curious. But the cases to which
the Hon.'Gttntletwin Alluded were not applicable to
the present—es to Parliamentary Reforin, he retain-
ed the same opinion of its necessity that he did.
teversi years. He did not then see much proba-
bility-of the success of such a measure; he was sure
jewas more likely to succeed at present. It was an
infittliAcd stupidity which caused the catastrophes of
the reiguing Ise:lilies on the Ccintinent. They would
nut see the necessity` of yielding any point. Yet if
we looked back upon revolutions, it was surprising
:to see what a little thing might have prevented them.
Reform, must begin in Parliament; for where are
abuses to be corrected if not in Parliament ? Every
day reform would have more numerous advocates ;
'and we must reform deeply or reform soon. The
Country telt the necessity elf it, would call loudly on
ghat l lease to WI, about the work. The cork ware
wok of urbent necessity ; indeed we must either
t'eterneor cease to exist. • , •
Ale. ttAscur-LEs and Mr. WINDHAM explained.
,Mr. CANNING; contended, that the error into
et tech, his Noble Friend had tailed was not only 011-
'ot...talon tt, but it even remained unperformed. He
pettedly agreed with Mr. Windham, that the gees-
'Lion ought to be brought before the House. It was
their business to look to the character of the House
. at the time they considered the feelings of the Noble
Loud. Pa a general view of the subject under discus.;
siert, he did think that some respect was due to-the
Mible Lord's behaviour, and that the House ought
to visit his offence (if they considered it an offence)
se slightly as could be deemed *consistent with the
'honour and dignity of Parliament. If his Noble
'Friend had beep acquainted with the person with
whom he engaged, be would have withdrawn from
the contract. The Noble Lord's condud was en-
titled to, extenuation, sod it had been the practice of
Parliament, under such circutnstances, to avoid se-
vere proceedings. N 4, man could say the Noble
Lord had coudu&ed himself contumaciously or .dis-
' respectfully. He had expressed as much humility
as he conid, consistently with his own honour and
the dignity of the House. Eviry liberal person would
acknowledge, that there was a manner of renting
• ~an error which became* man, and the Noble Lord
bad a olaiin on that.ground to the good opinion of
'the House. * The ,Riglst Hon. Gentleman.concliteled
- by submitting a Resolution to the following purport.:
That it is the duty hi the House to maintain a
jealous guard over the purity, of election ; but con-
sidering that the attempt to interfere in the election
of re Member had net been ca.tied inton etre6t, the
the .1-louse does not consider .it necessary to enter
into any criminal. proceedings on the subject."
Sir CHARLES PRICE 4tipported Mr/Carielue's re-
solutlop. ' ' , .

TIERNEY -said it was not. his intention to of-
fer himself Lathe House ;. but the Resolution of tire
lion. Secretary had put the Noble Lours case on
new' footing. • Alter &baling the question several
ilours, the Hun. becri hay had brought.torward the
resolution prooJsed by an lion. Meinuer (Mr.
Bankeiy. ' The Right lion. qopliemon had perhaps
ilverheard some conversation, and :finding the Orders
of.the Day Would not do, because that 'motion could
not' be cartled, he had brought forward his resolntion.
plc 'did'not wish to'presslthe Noble Lord, but he
as compelled to say that the resolutions of his I-tou.
Frimd did not go farther than the subject depanned.
toi4 Castleteao had avowed that he did that, which
therese:ution imputed, atut thetcloxtt, Stdod as ode.;
cOnvicluti`of ati t,',FULIL;I4 41, for i 141111014.
Mr. PCAB C4lOll/0(i, ,
n'tl I:I4*P.TON then re.pli4d ; ansi a.
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ter a few words in explanation fioni Mr. Croker,
the question was loudly called for, and the gaVery
was cleared for a division:

The Motion for passing to the Order of the Day
was withdrawn.
Upon the other questions there appeared,
For the original Motion - 167
Against-it

• Majority - - 49
EDr Mr. Canning's Resolution 214
Against it 167

Majority 47
Mr. W. WY NNE proposed an Amendment to Mr.
Canning's Resolution to the following effect :

" That the House were the more confirmed in their opi-
nion by the regret expressed by Lord Castlereagh for his 11115-
conduct."
This Atneniiment was negatived without ,a

Tif E SU N.

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LONDON,
1.1! IDNICSDAY, APRIL 26, 180 g.

Last night a Mail from Goftenburgh arrived. It
appears that the
.Duke of SLIDBRIJANIA'S applica-
tion to the French General EIXRNADOTTN, for a sus.'
penlion of hostilities, has burn fayourably.recelved.
Beakknovra not only granted the Armistice, but
sent utf Couriers to the, Courts of Petersburgla and
Copenhasen, to require them to follow his example.
The iYoke Be,,ent, however, still appears desirous of
remaining upon amicable terms with Great Britain.
On the 14th, licences were issued to trade with this
country, as usual. We received this morning some
further Extrads_ from the Mail, but they are of
no importance.

Last night Dutch Papers to the 23d instant were
received, toit they give 'us very little
.information
respeding the movement of the French atod Ans-
trig.) Armies, iu addition to that which had before
reached us.

The Dutch Legislative Body waited on the King
on the 9th inst. and thp ?resident addressed him in
a long bpeecb, 'chiefly relative to internal regulations,
and full of the warmest profeSsions of attachment
and obedience. In one kis.age it stated that com-
merce and agriculture, Mild) had beta languishing
for many years, were now reduced to the lowest
state, and the Ilopes of reviving them deferred to an
uncertain period, and hinted at peace as the oply
means for restoring them. 'The King, in his answer,
recolunicnds,attention to the ihiernal improvement
of the Ctunry, but it contains nothing iatipfactery
on the great object of peace and the revivql cif com-
merce.

Last night Lord A. HAMII.TON brought faEttrAo
his Motion against Lord CANTLEIMAGII, which W»
tin Ced a debate of .considerable length, after which
Elie Resolution proposed. by his Lordship was nags-
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tived 0y.2 to to 167. Mr. CANNING then proposed
a Resolution, stating,- that it was the duty .of the
House to maintain a jealous guard overate purity of
elections, btit that M the present instance, there
did not appear to he any grounds fog instituting Mr.
ther proceedings upon the subject, which was car.!
ried by 214 19 I 07.

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