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The House then went into Comcnittee'on thid Bill.

Ou clause 3 being proposed,
Mr. CLEMENTS rose and, after some shorts observa-
tions, moved the following amendment:—" Whereas it
is expedieut that prompt and immediate measures should
be taken for the revision of uniois and of electoral divi-
sions in Ireland, and in case of a total or partial disso-
lution or other alteration of the limits of any union,
which shall lead to the formation of any new union,
that provision should be made with respect to the
workhouse accommodation existing in any such dissolved
or altered union. And be it enacted, that if, upon the
formation of any new union, it shall appeor to th• .aid

Commissioners expedient that, until sufficient workhouse
accommodation shall be provided for such union
either by the erection of a new workhouse,
or by the adaptation of any existing buildings for
such purpose, a portion of the workhous ac-
commodation existing in the union or unions of
which such new union, cr any part thereof, had pre-
viously formed a part, should he reserved for su3h new
union, or any part thereof, it shall be lawful for the
said Commissioners to make such order, under their
seal, as to them shall app. ar necessary for appropriating
any part of the workhouse accommodation of such
anion or unions for the use of such new union, or of any
part thereof, and to make such regulations for the Gc-
vernment of such workhouses, and for the admis-
sion and discharge of paupers therefrom, as under the
circumstances they may think proper; and it shall be
be lawful for the gnardians of such new union to make
order for the admission of any paupers chargeable to
to such new union, or to any electoral division thereof,
into any workhouses to which such order of the said
Commissioners shall apply, and for their discharge there •
from, in such numbers and according to such regula- '
tions as shall or may from time to time be pre-
scribed by the said Commissioners, and to provide
for the conveyance of such paupers to or from such
workhouses ; and such orders of admission or discharge
made by such Guardians, according to the regulations
prescribed as aforesaid, shall be binding on the
Guardians of the Unions in which the workhouses are
situate, and on their officers; and it shall be lawful for
the said Commissioners, and they are hereby empowered,
from time to time to fix and determine the sum
which shall be paid by such new union, or any
part thereof, for the maintenance and clothing of
the paupers chargeable to such new union, or
any part thereof, and the proportion of the
establishment charges which shall be paid for the accom-
modation reserved in such workhouse, and the periods
at which such payments shall be made, either wholly or
in part ; and the said commissioners may, at their dis-
cretion, from time to time suspend, alter, or rescind such
orders and regulations aforesaid, or any of them. Pro-
vided always, and be it enacted, that if any pauper who
shall have been sent to say workhouse as aforesaid,
situate out of the Union to which or to any electoral di-
vision of which such pauper is chargeable,
shall be discharged therefrom, either by order
of the guardians or at his own request, and
shall become destitute in the union in which such work-
house is situate, within one calendar month from his
discharge, the expense of his maintenance in such work-
house shall be chargeable against the union or elec-
toral division from whence he was originally sent. And
be it enacted, that if the guardians of any such new
union shall refuse or neglect to make the payment
according to the terms and at the periods prescribed
by the said Commissioners as aforesaid, it shall be law-
ful for the said Commissioners, and they are hereby
required, on the application of the guardians of the
unions to which such payments are due, to make an order
under their seal requiring such payments to be made by
the treasurer of such new union, and thereupon the trea-
surer of such new union shall pay to the treasurer of the
union in whose behalf such order shall have been made,
the rates levied in such new union, or such proportion of
them, at such times and in such portions as shall be
prescribed by such order, until the whole amount re-
quired shall have been paid; and any treasurer of any
union, who after receiving such order shall pay away to
any person, other than the person appointed in and by
such order to receive the same, any part of any rates
collected in such union beyond what he shall have
been so allowed by such order to retain until the
whole of the payments prescribed by such order
shall have been made, shall be liable to pay to the
said guardians, the sum which he shall have so wrong-
fully paid away; and in case of non-payment thereof it
shall be lawful for any justice of the peace, on complaint
of the guardians, or of any one inspector, to levy the
amount so wrongfully paid away by distress and sale of
the goods and chattles of such treasurer ; and the receipt
of the treasurer appointed in such order to receive the
payments prescribed, shall be sufficient discharge to the
treasurer of such new union, for so much money paid by
him, and shall be allow, d in auditing and passing his
aCCOuII I IL

Sir G. GREY said that so far from tne Government
being inattentive to any recommendation of the super-
intendents of the several unions, it was an express di-
rection of the Poor•law Commissioners that they should
make as frequent reports as possible. The Poor-law
Commissioners had disseminated as widely as possible
what their general intentions were, and they had in-
vited communications from all quarters respecting the
necessities which now existed, and their opinion of the
best means that could be devised for meeting them.
After a few observations from Mr. MONSELL,

Mr. CLEMENTS said, as the House appeared gere•
rally satisfied with the statement of the Right Hon.
Baronet, although he confessed he was not, he would
withdraw his amendment.
The Amendment was accordingly withdrawn.
On the motion that the clause be agreed to,
Mr. STAFFORD rose to move another amen ent
They were now, he thought, approaching that part of
the Bill in which all real and useful alterations
might be introduced.—(Hear, hear.) He might
be permitted to remind the House of the
course which the Legislature had uniformly pursued on
this subject in England. So early as the reign of George
the First, certain parishes were authorised to combine
themselves together for the purpose of rating. There
had been cases where parishes had been transferred
from one union to another, but there was uo pow,-r
in the Commissioners of forming two unions
out of on old one. Electoral divisions had never been
...a.p...a by the "Poor-law Commissioners. Since the
introduction of the poor law into Ireland there had
not been a case of a new union formed without
the consent of the board of guardians. Continuing
as the present poor-law did that enormous
power vested in the Poor law Commissioners, what
be (Mr. Stafford) asked wai, that where boards
of guardians had thoroughly and fairly discharged their
duties, they should not have the insult inflicted upon
them of being compelled to give up the manage-
ment of the poor in the district, when by
the acknowledgment of the Poor-law Commis-
sioners they had exercised those arduous duties wisely.
lie knew a ,case in which a workhouse cost 26,0001.,
but if they altered the boundaries of the union they
would render some of that workhouse accommoda-
tion unnecessary; and the howe could not be
sold
necessary. like what it bad cost, should such a
course y. Let the money raised :he placed
forbe anything
ssin the hands of the directors, and they misused it, they
alone would be to blame.
(LEFT seEAKiNG.)

BANK OF ENGLAND.
(From this night's Gazette.)
An Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victoria, cap. 32, for
the Week ending on Saturday, the 23d day of June, 1549.
tSSUE Dzp.►aTLILMT.
--- X.
Notes i55ued........ 28,304,665

Government debt .. 11,015,100
Other securities .... '2,984,900
Gold coin and bullion 14,016,986
silver bullion .• • • • • 288,669

SOUTHWARK COUNTY COURT.
(Before G. CLIVE, Esq.)
LYON V. SHEPHERD, PROPRIETOR OR THE SURREY
THEATRE.
This was a second action brought by the plaintiff, a
tragedian, well known to the London hoards, against the
defendant, proprietor of the Surrey Theatre, to recover
the sum of 104 for two weeks' salary.
Mr. Lewis, of Ely-place, attended for the plaintiff, and
Mr. Thomas, the barrister, accompanied by Mr. Solomon,
for the defendant.
The particulars relative to this case must be fresh in
the memory of our readers, as a full report appeared in
the newspapers on the 14th instant, when judgment was
given for the plaintiff Plaintiff was desired to perform
Polonious in Hamlet, and other characters unsuited to
him, and contrary to his engagement, and on his refusal
he received a letter from defendant, discharging him on
those grounds. He being engaged specifically as a lead-
ing character for the season, summoned the defendant
for his salary, and on the last occasion his Honour gave
judgment in his favour. Tho present action was to re-
cover 10/. for two subsequent weeks' salary.
The court was crowded to suffocation with gentlemen
connected with the theatrical profession, among whom
were called as witnesses Mr. Tilbury, of the Haymarket;
Mr. Charles Freer, Mr. Cornelius Granby, Mr. Emery,
Mr. Widdicombe, Mr. Johnson, and Mr. John Dale, who
gave evidence for the plaintiff.
Mr. Tisomas contended that his client was not in-
debted, as there were rules connected with the theatre
which gave the proprietor an opportunity of discharging
an actor. The rules were printed, and prominently
placed in the green-room and in various parts of the
theatre. Rule 1 set forth "that each had the power of
giving and taking a week's notice, unless otherwise
specified." There was no special engagement with the
plaintiff; consequently, his client was right in discharg-
ing him with one week's notice. The 31 rule state
" that if any performer refused to take his part when
assigned to him he should be discharged." Now, Mr.
Lyon had been requested to perform characters of the
utmost importance, and on his refusal he was dismissed.
He called
Mr. Shepherd, who stated that no special engagement
was entered into between them, and the plaintiff was
amenable to the rules. When he employed Mr. Ander-
son to perform Hamlet, he requested the plaintiff to
take the part of Polonius, which he refused to do, al-
though he bad performed " old men" and a number of
second-rate characters in that theatre. He consequently
gave him a week's notice, and discharged him. He con-
tended that there was no regular season at the Surrey
Theatre, and that the plaintiff was not engaged for any
specific term.
Mr. Emery was next called by defendant, and, in an-
swer to Mr. Thomas, he said he was stage manager of
the Surrey Theatre, and had performed second-rate cha-
racters with Mr. Lyon. It was customary at that theatre
to give and take a week's notice, unless specially en-
gaged in writing.
In cross-examination by Mr. LEWIS, witness said he
did not consider himself bound by the rules as he was
engaged from Christmas, 1848, to 1849. If he was
engaged for the season, he should consider the rules not
binding on him, and that a week's notice could not be
given. A season was, in fact, an indefinite period.
Mr. Lzwrs having addressed the Judge at some length
on behalf of the plaintiff,
His HONOUR called Mr. Widdicombe, jun., who stated
he was with Mr. Lyon when he made the second en•
gagement with the defendant. He considered it was for
the season, and that a week's notice was not applicable
to him.
His HONOUR, in giving judgment, said that from Mr.
Lee's letter it was clear that the plaintiff was to have the
leading business, and not to be called upon to play
second; that, coupled with the evidence of Mr. Tilbury,
the actual Polonius of the Haymarket, and other wit-
nesses, was to his mind conclusive that the manager had
no right to call on the plaintiff to play that character, or
to cancel the agreement on account of his refusal to
comply. But a point had been made, which was not
raised in the first action, upon the construction of cer-
tain rules and regulations, under which the defendant
claims a right to discharge the plaintiff on giving him a
week's notice of his intention to do so. And here he
must state he was satisfied those rules and regulations
had been hung up in the green-room of the theatre
before Mr. Lyon's engagement, and that that gentleman
was cognisant of them, and also that he had duly received
a week's notice of his dismissal. If Mr. Lyon was en-
gaged for the season, the rub-s did not apply to him.
Was he engaged for the season? Mr. Widdic,)mbe and
other witnesses gave evidence to that effect, and it was
clear that the new engagement was a continuance of the
old one, and that was for the season. Judgment must
therefore be given for the plaintiff; and he hoped some
arrangement would be entered into between the parties
to prevent such litigation. If either party still persisted,
he trusted some attempt would be made to try these
causes elsewhere.
Judgment was accordingly given for the plaintiff for
15/. in the whole, and the cost of both suits.

REMARKABLE STATEMENT.—An eminent physician
of Paris, Dr. Bonet, has written to a professional brother
in this town statements so startling in reference to the
results of a very simple mode of treating, in the worst
stages, the disease now so fatally prevalent in Paris,
that we deem it our duty at once to lay it before
the public. The letter, of which the following is a
translation, is dated Paris, June l8:—" I think it my
duty to inform my professional brethren that, in a great
number of patients affected with cholera in the last stage,
that is to say, when the pulsation of the heart and the
movement of the pulses are absent, and in the commence-
ment of the blue stage, I have succeeded in restoring
the action of the heart and in recovering the patient
from the blue stage, by administering, at intervals of
half-an-hour, four cups of a hot and sweetened in-
fusion of the common lime tree, mint, balm, or camo-
mile, Bce., in each of which cup of infusion were
four drops of volatile alkali, making sixteen drops,
which the patient may take in two hours. The
reaction is almost instantaneous. The pu!se com-
mences instantaneously to beat, rather irregularly at
first, it is true, but afterwards with force, the blue state
disappears, the body, face, and extremities, are covered
with hot and copious sweat, and in a few hours the
patient is entirely out of danger. It is frequently neces-
sary to combat the reaction when it becomes too strong
by the assistance of bleeding."—Liverpool Albion.
DEAL, JUNE 28.—The Sarah Chune, of Philadelphia
(apparently a brigantine), dismasted, waterlogged, and
abandoned, was passed, 6th instant, in lat. 40, lon. 50,
by the Spartan, Brown, arrived in the Downs.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, June 28.
FRENCH EXPEDITION TO ROME.

The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH asked if a copy of
the communication between the British Ambassador to
France and the French Government would be laid be-
fore the House, and if any subsequent communication
had been made to our Governmen+, in consequence of
the changed character of the expedition.
The Marquis of LA.NSDO WNE said that no commu-
nication had taken place with regard to what the Noble
Earl had described as the changed character of the expe-
dition. _ _

The Earl of ABERDEEN wished to observe that the
French Government had, in point of fact, made no com•
muincation whatever; they had merely ordered the Am-
bassador to read a communication to the French Minister
at Vienna. He wished to know whether the Government
would also communicate the dispatch which the Austrian
Minister had read. _ _

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The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the communi-
cation from the Austrian Minister necessarily took place
verbally, whereas the French Minister was instructed
to leave a copy of the dispatch with Lord Palmerston,
consequently no record was left at the Foreign-office of
the Austrian dispatch.
The Earl of ABERDEEN said that the French
Ambassador was merely directed to read the dispatch,
whereas the Noble Marquis bad said that he had had
in his hands the dispatch of the Austrian Minister;
therefore he thought that that dispatch might be
laid before Parliament. It was a mockery to say
that the French dispatch conveyed any intimation,
and he wished to know if the Austrian dispatch bad
not been more explicit ; and he asked if the Government
would not lay on the table the communication of the
Austrian Government, which ho believed was much
more explicit.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, from the obser-
vations of the Noble Earl, it might be inferred that the
communications of the Austrian and French Govern-
ments were similar ; the fact was, however, they
were totally dissimilar. The instrw.tions of the Aus-
trian Government were Ilut communicated in form; the
communications of the French Government were made
in conversation. In the case of the French Government,
the Minister was only charged to communicate his in-
structions, but was specially authorised to leave a copy
of them. Consequently, in the one case there was a do-
cumeut upon record, while in the other there was not.
The Earl of ABERDEEN was sorry to be obliged to
correct the Noble Marquis; but the fact was, the French
Ambassador had beets directed to read his instructions,
whereas the Austrian 'Minister had been directed to
leave a copy. The dispatch laid on the table was only
a copy of the dispatch which the French Ambassador
had been ordered to read. The Noble Marquis had said
he had read the dispatch of the Austrian Government; it
must, therefore, be in his possession—
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was understood to
make a gesture in the negative.
The Earl of ABERDEEN said, perhaps in that case
the Noble Marquis would be able to obtain from the
Austrian Government the same permission as he bad
from the French to lay a copy of their dispatch upon the
table. To say that the dispatch already before their
Lordships was satisfactory was but mockery. He wished
to know if the Austrian communication was more intelli-
gible and more explicit than that stuff?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the dispatch was
a foreign document. °
The Earl of ABERDEEN asked, would her Majesty's
Government lay on the table the intentions of the Aus-
trian Government, which he said was in his possession?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in reply, was in-
audible.
Lord STANLEY wanted to know whether they were
correctly informed on the actual position of the question,
without having any opinion expressed as to whether
the documents laid on the table relative to the
French expedition were or were not satisfactory to
her Majesty's Government. He asked whether
her Majesty's Government had received or had
asked any explanation of the motives under which the
French Government were row proceeding in besieging
and bombarding Rome. Those proceedings, according
to present appearances, arose from the unwillineness of
the Romans to receive within their calls a large force
belonging to a foreign power; and he wished to know,
under such circumstances, if her Majesty's Government
had either asked for or obtained trust the French any
of the gretuuls on which they besieged ajad

bombarded Rome, or of the course they meant to take
should they succeed in that most violent and unjust
proceeding?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that no such
inh rmation had beon received by her Majesty's Govern-
ment.

Lord STANLEY—Have you made any application
For it?

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—No application of
;he kind has been made.
CANADA.

Lord BROUGHAM said, that in Lord Elgin's dis-
patches general mention was made of certain addresses
and petitions against the final assent being given to the
Rebellion Losses Bill. He wanted to know whether the
Noble Earl had sent any particulars respecting those
documents? For his (Lord Brougham's) information
was, that 79 addresses hed emanated from public meet-
ings held under the Canada Union Act, which required
meetings of the kind to be convened under the superin-
tendence of a magistrate or public iunc•ionary, and that
they comprised a very strong expression of feeling on
behalf of the British inhabitants on the subject.
Earl GREY said, if• the Noble and Learned Lord had
given him notice, he would have been better able to give
him the required information. The Noble and Learned
Lord hed not either put his question so that he (Earl
Grey) precisely understood its purport. But he would
state the facts of the case. With respect to the addresses
and petitions, previous to the passing of the Act, to the
Governor-General, to withhold his assent, his belief was,
that they had not in general emanated from public
meetings. With regard to the addresses to her Msjesty,
praying her refusal of the Royal assent to the Act and
the recal of the Governor-Geueral, they had generally'
emanated from public meeting•, but of those no list had
been sent by the Governor• General, for the reason that
the parties from whom they emanated had nut adhered
to the proper rule with respect to colonial correspond •
ence, and instead of transmitting them through the Go •
vernor-General to her Majesty, they had transmitted
them through another channel. 'Under ordinary circum-
stances he (Earl G.) would have, therefore, declined
receiving them, but he had waived the ordinary rule with
respect to those communications, and received them as
though they had been transmitted in the ordinary way.
Not having been transmitted through the Governor-
General, he had no means of sending a list of them.
Lord BROUGHAM said the 79 petitions to which he
had referred had been adopted at public meetings; they
prayed Lord Elgin, and not the Crown, to withhold his
assent from the Rebellion Losses Bill, and to dissolve
Parliament. That must have been before the Act passed
the Legislative Council. He wished to know whether
any list of those had been received.
Earl GREY said they were precisely the petitions
which had been referred to by the Governor-General, in
general terms, in his dispatch.
Lord BROUGHAM observed that Lord Elgin, for
whom, indeed, he had the highest respect, could not have
meant the same thing.
Earl GREY had no objection to answer a question
without notice, but he certainly objected to the Noble
and Learned Lord letting fall remarks which conveyed
a censure upon Lord Elgin's conduct. If the Noble and
Learned Lord meant to censure the Governor. General

let him bring the question fairly before the House, and
he (Earl Grey) would meet him upon it; but he pro-
tested against his throwing out imputations of a most
offensive character against the Governor-General.
Lord BROUGHAM denied that he had attempted to
convey any imputation of the kind by his words. Lord
Elgin, tor whom his respect was undiminished notwith-
standing that he had the misfortune to differ with him
on a point—Lord Elgin could not have meant the same
thing. The Noble and Learned Lord then moved an
address to her Majesty for copies of any addresses or pe-
titions, or communications respecting addresses or peti-
tions, which might have been received from Canada
against giving the assent of Government to the Canada
Rebellion Losses Bill.
Earl GREY said the words of the Noble and Learned
Lord might have been as he stated; but they all knew
the Noble and Learned Lord's manner, and when he
said—at the same time knowing perfectly well that Ihe
reference made by Lurd Elgin was to those petitions—
that his respect was undiminished for the Governor-
General, but that he had not the least idea that they
were the petitions he had referred to—when the Noble
and Learned L,rd said that, he considered he was justi-
fied in protesting against what he regarded as an im-
proper imputation.
INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord CAM.Pi3ELL moved the third reading of this
Bill.

The Earl of GLENGALL took occasion to charac-
terise as a delusion the expectation of any London com-
pany hoping to cultivate with advantage the wilds of
Connaught.
The Bill was then rend a third time, and passed.
COUNTY CESS (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion of the Marquis of CLANRICARDE,
this Bill was passed through Committee.
SEQUESTRATORS' REMEDIES BILL.

On the lotion of the Bishop of CHICHESTER, this
Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be referred
to a Select Committee.
AUDIT OF RAILWAY ACCOUNTS BILL.

On the motion of Lord MONTEAGLE, this Bill was
read a second time.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid upon the table
certain returns relative to education in Ireland; also some
returns relating to evictions in the Kiirush Union.
NEW SOUTH WALES.

Lord MONTEAGLE gave notice, that on Monday
next he should present some peitions from the colony of
New South Wales and take that opportunity of asking
his Noble Friend if he intended to bring a Bill under the
consideration of their Lordships' House for the altera-
tion of the constitution of that colony.,
Their Lordships then adjourned,

ROUSE OF COMMONS, June 28.
POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL.
(Continued from our Fourth Edition of last night.)
Mr. ROCHE wished to know, if they agreed to the
maximum rate, whether the effect of it would be that in
no district under any circumstances, would the rate ex-
ceed is., exclubive of the rate in aid?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
the principle of the clause was to impose a maximum of
future charge, leaving utterly untouched the liabilities
that at present existed. If the collected rates should
suffice those debts would be paid, but if not the power of
levying rates to meet existing debts would remain un-
touched. With regard to all future liabilities, whether
for the maintenance of the poor or for the payment of
charges on the unions—all charges, in fact, becoming
due after the 29th of September, would fall on the elec-
toral division rate of ss.—the union rate of 2s. if neces-
sary, and on the 6d. rate in aid, which rates would be the
utmost that could be levied.

Sir G. GRAHAaI gave Honourable Members credit
for wishing to remuve every impediment to the influx of
capital into Ireland. Nothing could be clearer than
the statement of the Chanceller of the Exchequer,
that, after the 29th of September next, no annual
charge for any debt or current expenditure for the poor
would exceed the electoral rate of 55., and the union
rate of 2L

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—And
the rate in aid.

Sir J. GRAHAM—And the sixpeuny rate in aid. It
was important to come to a clear understanding of what
was the liability of property in the 33 unions to which
ho bad referred. Their debt for the maintenance of the
poor up to the 29th September, making the aba'ement
suggested by the Rome Secretary, would be about
400,0001. In addition to that, were they not chargeable
with their share of the sum of 635,000/. due from the
whole of the unions of Ireland to the public? What
he wished to know was, whether capitalists about to in-
vest money in the purchase of property in these 33
unions, having the prospective security of a maximum
rate, would be liable for outstanding poor-rats s? He
was opposed to a maximum rate, and would have no dif-
ficulty in voting for the proposal of the Right Hon.
Baronet. He wished, however, to know from the Go-
vernment what would be the condition of purchasers with
reference to arrears?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
was perfectly true that many unions in the west of Ire-
land were bankrupt, and that nothing was more easy
than to suggest difficulties with respect either to them or
to the poor- law of Ireland generally. A reference had
been made to some accounts with respect to which, on a
former occasion, he had not had certain papers before
him which would enable him to answer the observations
made. He could, however, speak from the documents
before him. It appeared that the amount to the credit
of those 33 unions would fall short of the probahlp
expense to the c xtent of about 271,0001. He bad already
taken a Tote for 120,000/. for those unions. With respect
to the debt, he could say that a portion of that had been
paid, to the extent of 130,000/. (as the Right Hon.
Baronet was understood). The remainder would be
charged on the unions, and would form no portion of the
existing liabilities, which it was intended to cover from
a future rate in aid, or uncollected debt.

Sir L. O'BRIEN said the great difficulty in the pre-
sent case arose from the endeavour to apply a system of
poor laws to meet the case of a famine.
Major BLACKALL concurred in the opinion of the
inexpediency of applying the principle of a poor-law to
such a state of things as now existed in Ireland. What
was wanted was, to go out of an ordinary poor•law in
the distressed districts.

Mr. J. O'CONNELL thought the Government ought
to give due weight to the representations of the Right
Hon. Baronet opposite.
After a few words from Colonel DUNNE,
Mr. P. SCROPE said, what was called taxation in
some instances, was called confiscation in others. There
were only two ways, he thought, of meeting the difficul-
ties of the present case in Ireland. Oae was to sell the
lands for their liabilities to the support of the poor, and
the other was the granting of relief from the Treasury,
for the purpose of judicious and well-considered repro-
ductive employment. Had this latter course been pro-
perly pursued on a former occasion, even double the
sums of money expended would not have been thrown
away—the people would have been prevented from starv-
ing, and habits of industry would have been preserved.
Sir J. WALSH said, when it was proposed to take
away only part of one's property, it was taxation; but
when the whole was to be taken, that was what he un-
derstood confiscation meant.—(llear.)
Mr. E. B. ROCHE asked how it could be supposed
people would be encouraged in taking or cultivating land,
oil' two
if after a certain maximum rate had been fixed, t Was
subsequently proposed to increase that. People would
not purchase land with liabilities to the amount
principle of a maximum s
years' rental. The question was, whether they_ would
or not stick to the
rey was then
ate?
The amendment moved by Sir G. G
put that the
agreed to, and the question having b
Mr. S. ADAIR moved the additonioll;
clause as amended stand part of the B een
proviso:—"Provided always, that such yearly limit of
the following
pour's•rate speea d in this Act shall be iu force fur the
period only of five years
them, t 9 the ond isr.k ~ from the passing thereof, and
v" t illell ReXI /Mem of ilirlisulat."