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CITY OF LONDON TAVERN,

.TUNE 4, 1822.
THE COMMITTEE for MANAGING the
b. SUBSCRIPTION for the RELIEF of the Distressed
,Ist-icts in IRELAND, have the satisfaction to acknowledge
'ie following Subscriptions received since the Ist of June.
The Committee recommend in the strongest terms to those
;40 have in Ireland the management of the beaevolencesin the
the crisis, that they contrive in every useful way to combine
'.4e labour of the Poor with the aid 'which it may be necessary
to afford to them.
When the Agricultural Poor in England were suffering,
Ptlhlic works were performed which had been long wanted, and
wnich were of •permanent benefit; such as removals of nui-
hkces, making, improving, or repairing public roads, lowering
'3, draining fens, &c. &.c. Other useful works were sug-
gtsted purposely to give employment to the industrious labourer,
414 which works were productive of, very great benefit to the
Nor themselves as well as to the Public.
Aid to the General Committee.—James Daly, Esq. M.P.
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the ions are received at the Committee Room, between
1,114 b o, Twelve and Four ;by Smith, Payne and Smiths ;
Persni 1".,e Bankers in London and Westminster, no other
4 'icing authorised by the Committee to receive them.
By Order of the Committee,
MICH. WM. TROY, llonorari Secretary.

It was moved by Lord SUFFIELD, and seconded by the
Hon. HENRY GREY BENNET, M.P.
2d—That this Meeting protests against an opinion which
has been formed, that the Views and Plans of the Society
have a tendency to deprive Punishment of its just terrors, and-
to render a Prison a desirable habitation: that this assertion is
inconsistent with reason, and at variance with truth, as the dis-
cipline which it is the bject of this Society to recommend,
imposes on the convicted hard labour, rigorous privation, and
habitual restraint.. That a Gaol thus regulated can present no
attractions to the vicious, and experience proves that the Cri-
minal subject to such discipline regards Imprisonment with
dread, while a Gaol of an opposite character carries with it no
terror to the guilty.
It wes moved by THOS. WM. COKE, Esq. M.P. and se-
conded by Lord NuciENT, M.P.
3d.—Thaethis Meeting highly approves of the Comniunica-
tions which the Society has made, with a view to diffuse a
knowledge of its Plans in foreign countries. That it is with
peculiar delight this Meeting learns' that owing to the indefa-
tigable exertions of the Petersburgh Prison Society, Auxiliary
Institutions have been established in the Russian Empire, ex-
tending even to Siberia ; that in Berlin a Society is now form-
ing for the amelioration of the Gaols in the Prussian domi-
nions ; that in France and Switzerland enlightened principles
Of criminal jurisprudence prevail ; that in Spain the subject
has warmly interested the Members of the Cortes, who are
honourably engaged in visiting and amending the Gaols in
that kingdom ; and that in Portugal a similar spirit has been
manifested for the Improvement of Prison Discipline.
It was moved by WILLIAM WILBERFORCE, Esq. M.P.
and seconded by the Earl of BLEsixTow,
4th.—That this' Meeting observes, with deep concern, the
alarming increase of Juvenile Depredators in the Metropolis,
and is of opinion that the labours of the Society cannot be more
beneficially directed than to the means -of checking an evil
fraught with consequences so fatal to the best interests of these
unhappy youths, and so injurious to the peace, morals, and
property, of the community. That the Temporary Refuge
formed by this Society for the reformation of Boys, who, on
their discharge from Prison, are desirous of abandoning their
guilty habits, highly merits the support of an enlightened pub-
lic, That the success of this Institution satisfactorily proves
that there are but few, even among thq most guilty, who
may not, by proper discipline and treatment, be subdued
and reclaimed, and justifies •the Meeting in the conviction,
that no measure would be so efficacious in arresting the pro-
gress of juvenile delinquency, as the establishment of a well-
I regulated prison for the correction and reformation of Criminal
Youth.

It was moved by Lord-CALTIionPE, and seconded by SA.
MUEL HOARE, jun. Esq.
sth.—That the thanks of this Meeting are eminently due,
and are hereby presented,- to the Magistracy throughout the
Kingdom, for the readiness with which they have co-operated
in the plans and objeets of this Institution.
It was moved by STEPHEN LUSHINGTON, Esq. LL.D.
M.P. and seconded by JOHN RANDOLPH, Esq. (of the Ame-
rican Congress),
6th.—That the Right Hon. Sir G. H. Rose, Bart. M.P. and
Edward Bootle Wilbraham, Esq. M.P. be added to the Vice-
Presidents of the Society.
His Royal Highness having left the Chair, it was unani-
mously-resolved, on the motion of Lord SUFFIELD,
7th.—'l hat the cordial thanks of this Meeting be presented
to his Royal Highness the Duke of Gloucester, K.G. the Pa-
tron, for the kind interest with which he has uniformly promot-
ed the Objects of the Society, and for the honour which he has
this day conferred on the Meeting, by presiding over its pro-
ceedings.
The object of this Institution is to extend those principles,
and promote those designs, to diffuse which the labours of
Howard, and other eminent Philanthropists, have been di-
rected. The Society ascertains and recommends those plans
for the regulation of Prisons, which experience has proved
best calculated, to inspire the Criminal with the dread of im-
prisonment, and to induce him, on his liberation, to abandon
his guilty habits. The Society collects and transmits informa-
tion, prints and disperses. useful publications,- prepares such
designs for the erection of new and alteration of old Prisons,
as are best adapted to ensure the classification, inspection, re-
ligious instruction, hard labour, and regular ,employment, of
the Criminal.
In the course of their visits to the Gaels in the Metropolis,
the Committee very frequently meet with destitute boys, who,
on their discharge from confinement, literally know not where
to lay their heads.' To assist such friendless outcasts has been
the practice of the Society, and to render this ielef more effi-
cacious, they have established a Temporary Refuge for such
as are disposed to abandon their vicious courses. This asylum
has been instrumental-in affording assistance to a considerable
number of distressed youths, who,,but for this seasonable aid,
must have resorted to criminal practices for support. On ad,.
mission into this establishrtient, the boys are instructed in mo-
ral and religious duty, subjected to habits of order and indus-
try, and, after a time, are placed in situations which afford a
reasonable prospect of their becoming-honest and useful Mem-
bers of Society.
To extend- these objects, and to render its exertions more
widely beneficial, the Society solicits the aid of Public Bene-
volence. Its exprnces are unavoidably serious, and their
funds are at piesent very low; but they trust that pecuniary
support will not be withheld, when it is considered that on
the liberality with which this appeal is answered depends in a
great measure the success of the Society's objects—the reforma-
tion of the vicious, and the prevention of crime.
An Annual Subscription of One Guinea, or a Donation of
101. 10s. constitutes a member of this, Society.
Donations and Annual Subscriptions are received by the
following Bankers :—Barclay, Tritton, and Co. 54, Lombard-
street ; Drummonds and Co. Charing-cross ; Frys and Co. St.
IV.lildred's-court; Closings and Co. Fleet-street; Hoare, Bar-
netts, and Co. Lombard-street; and Smith, Payne, and Smiths,
George-street, Mansion-house; also by Mr. A. 0. Elliot,
Clerk to the Committee, at the Society's Office, 18, Alderman-
bury.

Lord DEERHLTRST presented a petition from the Mayor,
Magistrates, Clergy, and other Inhabitnts of the city of Ni• or-
cester, praying for a Reiision ,of the Criminal Code.—Ordered
to lie upon the table and-trthaprinted.
Sir J. SEBRIGHT presented a similar petition from the
Inhabitants of-Royston and its vicinity..--Ordered to beprinted.
The Greenwich New Church Bill was read a third time and
passed.

NAVIGATION ACT.

Sir,J. BOUGHEY presented a petition from Samuel Km-
horn silk-tllrowster, praying that no alteration might be made
in the laws affecting that trade.—Ordered to be printed.
CRIMINAL CODE.

Mr. GROSVENOR presented a petition from the Inhabit-
ants of Shaftesbury, praying for Revision of the Criminal
Code.—Ordered to be printed.
• , VEGETABLE - POWDER. _ •

On the motion of Mr. LUSHINGTON, the House resolved
itself into a Committee of the whole House, on the 44th Geo.
111. cap. 29, when
LUSHINGTON moved the insertion of a clause to
permit the sale of powder made from roasted wheat, peas, and
beans, by person., not being dealers in tea, coffee, or cocoa.
Sir R. WILSON hoped the clause would be made retro-
spective.
Mr. LUSHINGTO' N said that directions would be issued
by the Lords of the Treasury to suspend,a,ny law proceedings
that may have been commenced for breaches of the Excise laws
by the sale of vegetable powder, and -that the cases of the par-
ties should be considered by their Lordships.
The Report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
The Committee on the Consolidation Customs' Bill was post-
poned till to-morrow.
NAVIGATION BILL.
Mr. LITTLETON presented a petition from Christopher
Smith of Stowe, in the county of Stafford, silk throwstcr, against
the Navigation Act.
RECOGNIZANCES BILL. _ _

Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report on the Recogni-
zances Bill. The amendments were read a second time, or-
dered to be engrossed, and the Bill ordered to be,read A third
time on Thursday next.
VEGETABLE POWDER.
Mr. F. PALMER moved for a copy of the information laid
against Mr. Henry Hunt, for having made or exposed for sale
powder made from roasted wheat.—Ordered:

MILITARY PENSIONERS.
Sir C. LONG rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill for
transferring the duties of the Commissioners for the payment of
the Kilmainham Pensioners to those of Chelsea. The number
of pensioners on the books of Greenwich Hospital amounted to
08,000; those of Kilmainham to 14,000; and without meaning
the slightest imputation on the Commiisioners for payment of
the latter, he thought the duties of both might be performed by
one Board, by which a considerable sum would be annually
saved to the public. The Bill would ensure more uniformity
of practice in the payment of the pensioners. The Right Hon.
Bart. moved that the Act of 47 Geo. M. c. 52, should be then
read, and that leave should be given to bring ins the,Bill which
he had described.
Mr. HUME seconded the motion. Although no great be-
nefit could 1?e anticipated from that measure, yet he thought
that the
_principle. of the Bill was likely to be of greatservice. He considered the measure- as one suggested by
himself.
Sir C. LONG said, with respect td the credit taken to himself
by the Hon. Member for Montrose, he could assure the Hon.
Gentleman sand the House, that the measure was not introduced
by, nor in consequence of, the suggestion of that Hon. Member.
On the contrary, he believed that the Hen. Gentleman had
made some reference to it, because he had heard the introduc-
tion of it was in contemplation.—(Hear !)
Mr. CALCRAFT cared very little from what quarter the
measure emanated; it was sufficient for him to know that it was
likely to prove beneficial. But he thought it a little singular that
three years should have elapsed, after mention of the subject in
Parliament, without any step having been taken by the Right
Hon. Gentleman, and that he should. then assume all the credit
of originating the measure. -
Sir C.
LONG—" I deny fact." •
Mr. CALCRAFT---" I believe l am quite correct in saying
that three years have elapsed."
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
CRIMINAL CODE. , _ _

Mr. HUSKISSON presented a Petition from the Inhabitants
of the City of Chichester,. praying fora revision of the Criminal
Code.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. WESTERN presented three Petitions from the Clergy,
and inhabitants of Colchester, Chelmsford, and Cogglesham, in
the county of Essex, praying for a revision of the Criminal Code.
Mr. G. BENNET moved for Returns of the number of
Calves and Pigs.sold in Smithfield market from the year 1793
to 1822 ; also the average prices of Corn sold in Mark-lane dur-
ing that period; also of the average price of the Quartern Loaf
for the same period ; 'also the average price of Butcher's Meat
in Leadenhall market for the same period:---Ordered.
-Mr. HUME moved for certain Returns relating to the Col-
lection of Land Tax and Public Sewers.—Ordered.
The second reading of the Scotch Juries Bill was postponed
to Friday next.
CASH- PAYMENTS.
Mr. WESTERN presented a Petition from the landholders
in the hundred of Rochford in the county of Essex, declaring
their alaim at the provisions of the Corn Importation Bill now
in progress through the House. The Petitioners declared that
they would prefer to them the present Corn Law, and also ex-
pressed their opinion, that nothing could effectually relieve the
present distresses of the country but an alteration in the cur-
rency. In that opinion he perfectly concurred, and renewed
the notice of Motion he had given on a former night, for restor-
ing the currency of the country to the state in which it was in
1819.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. S. WORTLEY presented a Petition from the inhabi-
tants of Doncaster, praying for a revision of the Criminal Code.
Sir W. CURTIS presented a Petition from the master and

SHIP OWNERS. •
Sir R.,C. FERGUSSON presented a Petition from the ship-
owners of Leith, Kircaldy, and other ports in the ,Frith of
Forth, complaining of distress, and praying that they might be
_placed in a situation to compete with foreign ship-owners. The
Petitioners complained of the pressure of the charges for light-
houses, port duties, Consuls, Bee-
Mr. fIUME had received various communications proving
tile injury sustained bY Shipos;ners by the charges made by Con-
suls. He begged leave also to refer to the payment of 6d. in the
pound paid by. merchant 'seamen to the Greenwich Hospital
Fund, from wnich these individuals could -never expect to de
rive any advantages. The charge for tile collection of that de-
duction was another grievance.
In the year 1815 it was • - 15 per cent.
In 1316 - - 18 per cent.
In 1317, 1818, and 1819 - 20 per cent.
And in 1820 rend 1821 it was - . 21 per cent.
He, therefore, hoped that a Bill would be introduced, having
for its object the abolition of that deduction.
Sir I. COFFIN thought the deduction a-mere trifle to such
men ; and it ought to be recollected that every seaman was pre-.
sinned to be at the disposal of the country when- his services
should be required.
Mr. WALLACE said, no class of ' porSons in the country
could be more desirous to attend to the complaints and the in-
terests of the shipowners than his Majesty's Ministers.—(Hear !)
The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hume) ought to know that many
of the charges &hided to by him had been subjected to the
rigid investigation of a Committee above stairs; and he hoped
that ere long a satisfactory measure to the shipowners would be
the result.—(Hear, hear !)
Mr. ROBERTSON, recollecting that it was with difficulty
that the Right Hon. Gentleman could be induced to postpone
the consideration of the Navigation Bill from a very late-hour
the other night, he (Mr. Robertsen) would call upon all those
Hon. Members who looked with interest on the subject, not to
leave the House, les: the Bill shoold be brought under discus-
sion at a similarly inconvenient, unexpected, and improper'
hour that evening. He gave notice that he should oppose
the Bill.
Mr. WALLACE begged to say one word in consequence of
what fell from the Hon. Gentleman. The Bill had lain on
the-table at least six week's ; nay, it had been laid on the table
of the House towards the close of last Session. , The charge
made by .the Ilon.-Gentlemaii of improperly pressing the mea-
sure was therefore quite unfound.ed.—(Hear, hear !)—He
wished to state,-for the information of the Hon. Gentleman and
the House, that it was his intention to press the Bill tliat even-
ing if possible; and for this reason, that the sailing of several
vessels for South America was delayed until the Bill should
pass into a law.—(Hear, hear !)
Sir RONALD FERGUSSON complimented the Right
Hon. Gentleman on the explanations and information afforded
to the House. He hoped the attention of the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman would be directed to another point, namely, the port
Charges in the colonies.
Mr. 'WALLACE said the subject should be attended to.
After a few words from Mr. ROBERTSON', the petition was
ordered to be printed.
INDIA TRADE LAWS CONSOLIDATION.
Mr. C. W. WYNN,E brought in a Bill for consolidating
the several laws now in force for regulating the trade for India,
and moved that it should be read a first time.
Mr. BRIGHT objected to the motion until the Bill should
be printed.
Mr. C. WYNNE rose to move', that the Bill shmild be also
read a second time, and of course be printed. He never re-
collected a Bill having been printed previously to its being
read a first time. The object of' his Bill was to consolidate all
the Acts relating to the trade to India. The Board of Di-
rectors of the East India Company had acted with great
rality, and he felt convinced that the great body of proprietors
would concur with them. Ile could not be suspected of wish-
ing to hurry a measure likely to affect the interests of so
respectable a body, without affording them all possible in-
formation, and an opportunity to express their sentiments on
the measure.
After a few words from Mr. Braorrr, the Bill was ordered
to be read a second timenn Friday next, and to be printed.
A message from the Lords announced that their Lordships
had agreed to several public and private Bills.
CRIMINAL LAW.
Mr. LEYCESTER presented a petition from Manchester,
praying for a Revision of the Criminal Code.
Sir F. BURDETT said, the day would soon arrive when
the'subject of the Criminal Code must be taken into considera-
tion. The system of secret imprisonment demanded revision ;
but at the same time considerable caution in legislating with
respect to it.
Lord STANLEY only rose to state the comparative huma-
nity of the law, as administered in the county of Lancaster,
where, out of 79 prisoners tried and found guilty at the last
Assizes, 48 were sentenced to death, out of whom, however,
only three were executed. Such a state of punishment, such a
state of legislation, required the interference of the House, and
he hoped the motion to be made at the subsequent period of
the night would prove successful.—The petition was ordered to
be printed.
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented petitions from two towns,
one in Dorset, and the other in Somerset, piaying for a Revi-
sion of the Criminal Code.—Ordered to be printed.
Dr. LUSHINGTON presented a petition,from 86 Indivi-
duals, who served the office of Jurors m the city of London,
praying for a Revision of the Criminal Code. The peti-
tioners lamented the obligation imposed on them of finding
verdicts of guilty death for trifling offences, and that sentences
passed were so often altered. They fUrther stated, they could
not conscientiously discharge their duty if something were not
done to. make the punishment fixed and certain, and only ap-
portioned to the crime. The Petitioners were man of the first
respectability, and their prayer'deserved the best consideration
of the House.—Ordered to be printed.
The Hox. MEDIBER also presented similar petitions fiom
Maidstone, Lewes, Gainsborough, Banbury, Wakefield, and
Dudley.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. PRICE presented similar petitions frOm the Inhabitants
of Hereford and its neighbotirhood, signed by persons of differ-
ent political and religious feelings, but all agreeing in the neces-
sity of mitigating the criminal code.—Ordered to be printed.
Sir J. NEWPORT brought inhis Bill, for allowing receipts
for parochial assessments to be received as part of,the landlord's
rent, under certain exceptions.—Ordered to be read a second
time this day week. He only wished the Bill now to be printed,
and lie overlor consideration until next Session. It did not in-
terfere with any existing contract, and merely had a prospective
effect.
Mr. 'WYVILL presCnted a petition from South Shields,
praying a revision of the Criminal Code.—Ordered to be printed.
slr- F. BUXTON presented a similar petition from Ralph
Wadewood, 355, Oxford-street. The petitioner said, he lately
prosecuted a man of-the name of Rivers, who was executed for
forgery, contrary to the repeated intreaty of the petitioner, who
felt severely the fate of the unhappy, man, and, most acutely
suffered in consequence of his punishment.
The Hon. Member presented a similar Petition-from a
Banker in the county of Cork.—Ordered to be printed.
- AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS.

Mr. COKE presented a Petition from certain Landholders
in Norfolk, complaining of*Agricultural Distress. The Peti-
tioners complained of the inadequate relief afforded to Agri-
culture by the .measures brought forward by Government.
They attributed a great part of their distress to the alera-
tion of the currency in 1819, and prayed for a Reform of that
House.
Sir-T. LETHBRIDGE rose to corroborate the senVoents
expressed by these Petitioners, by those of 'his own Constitu-
ents, and of all the Landholders and Agriculturists that-he was
acquainted with throughout the kingdom. There was a gene-
ral dissatisfaction throughout the country,atising from an opi-
nion that the landed interest had not received that relief from
the legitimate course, his Majesty's Government, that they had
a right to expect. He protested against the indifference, which
he saw with pain, in his Majesty's Ministers on this subject.
He knew there were many who supported Ministers, as he had
done, upon general principles, but who,'upon this particular
question, could not in
.justice continue to go along with theni.
He could not no* continue his support of them. They were
pursuing a course which must lead to the destruction of the
country ;—(Hear I)—which must lead to the uplifting of one
man's hand against another ; and whilst they continued in
that course, he would speak thus strongly his disapprobation.

(Hear maintained th 4 the burdenrof 'the 'country were
two-folc, on the agricultural interest. a That class onght to-have
some more protecting measures.—its was impossible they &hid
go onus they-were at present. If - some such measure did hot
btanate from the other side before the Session closed, he would
come forward with a proposition of that nature. He was con-
vinced that' the country possessed great riches, and -great
sources of wealth, which could be made available to the pay-
ment of the taxes, if rightly husbanded ; and he hoped the
landed interest in that. House would stand forward man-
fully, and support him in his endeavours to obtain that re-
lief they 'stood so much in need of, and were so fully entitled
to.—(Hear !)
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY felt himself called upon
to make one or two observations upon what had fallen from'
the Hon. Baronet, in conaequenca of the tone with which he
hall delivered himself. He was glad the day was not far distant,
when they would learn in a more precise manner what was the
Hon. Baronet's :view of the conduct of his Majesty's Ministers,
in the remedies they had adopted for the agricultural distress.
They should then learn •no -doubt what was the best remedr
---at all events they would have in some more intelligible shape
the substance of all they were daily in the habit of hearing from
the lion. Baronet, which he would take the liberty to say, was
not always 'most appropriate in point of time, and, without of-
fence to him, given rather in a tone of an inflammatory charac-
ter.--(Hear, hear !)—But he stood crp to claim justice from
both • sides, and he was ready an put the measures aheady
adopted by his Majesty's Ministers in competition with the
projected by the Hon. Baronet. They had accomplished
a saving to the public of two millions of annual expendi-
ture;' taal 1,400,0001. by the great reduction of interest. And
these- had been done, leaving to the country the benefit of the
Sinking Fund.—(A laugh.)—the Honourable Gentlemen op-
posite, he .observed, were in the habit of amusing themselves
on all occasions of'the discussion of these subjects, and 'no-
thing, he perceived, so soon called forth' their jocularity as
some measure of actual rel of to the country. The Gantlet:nen
ofthe other side could hardly forgive his Majesty's Ministers
for \the relief which they had actually afforded the country.—
The Hon. Baronet, however, was not satisfied wit'a what bad
been done. He wished, as far as be was able, to under-
stand his meaning for protecting duties for different articles
of agricultural'produce, which, he thought, were not yet suffia
ciently guarded by legislative enactments. He wanted them
to bring fbrward measures for the protection of butter and
cheese, and Government was charged with being supine and
indifferent, because it had not come forward with such mea-
sures. If the Hon. Baronet would have the kindness to sug-
gest some measure, by which the price of corn could he raised
from 475. a quarter to what he would call a remunerating price,-
they
would thank him for his assistance. He supposed that in
his vocabulary, protection meant price ; but in the opinion of
the country, those words had distinct significations. He was
glad that they were soon to have an opportunity of coming to
clese quarters with the Hon. Baronet—a prooosition in every
way suited-to the intrepid and manly character of the Hon.
Baronet's general conduct. They would then have something
of a decisive nature to deal with, as to the Hon. Baronet's sen-
timents. In the mean time he protested against the system of
diurnal attacks which the Hon. Baronet had of late so unremit-
tingly pursued.—(Hear, hear!)
Mr. J. BENETT (Wilts) said, that in consequence of the
Noble Marquis having charged the land-holders of the country
with being in an inflammatory state—'
The Marquis of•LONDONDEItRY begged to put the Hon.
Member right before he proceeded further in error. fie had
spoken of the inflammatory tendency of the Hon. Member tor
Somersetshire's language in the present state of the Landed,
Interest.

Mr. J. BENETT•resumed. He could no more approve cf
Members of that House being charged with using inflammatory
language uttered in that House, in merely putting their sent --
xi-lents into strong language, than en the supposed charges on
the Land-owners.: He thought the landed interest had borne
enough, and patiently enough, both in and out of that House,
to entitle them to speak of their grievances in strong language.
The. House must expect this to be the cose. Petitions would
come in stronger language, and if 'rejected, as one had beer_
the preceding day, he knew not what would become of it.
next.

Mr. G. BENNET rose to protest against the often pro.:
pounded doctrine of the Noble Marquis opposite, that the
time of presenting Petitions to that House was not the time
for discussing the subject of which those petitions treated. In
his opinion it was the best time ' - for they then were sure to
have the last expression of the feelings of the country through
the Members who were sent there to represent those feelings.=.
The Noble Marquis would, no doubt, rather wait till he had
his train-bands and battalia around him, when he would con-
sent to have a field-day, to use his own expression in that
House. He (Mr. Bennet) confessed he cared less for the dis. -
eussions in than for the discussions_ out of that House ; and

therefore it was, knowing that it would promote the latter, that
he desired to see the discussion on petitions encouraged. It was
by that very practice that his Hon. Friend on the floor had ma--
nagvl to defeat Ministers on the Property Tax. With regard to
the jocularity complained of by the Noble Marquis, they laugh-
ed at the powers of face possessed by him and his colleagues
in declaring that the Sinking Fund was not touched, at a time
when he had one set of 'Commissioners beside him for-the crea--
tion of debt, and another for redeeming it.- They laughed to
see them taking that by filching and larceny, which they did
not dare take openly. He maintained that it was the intention.
of his Majesty's Ministers, in spite of all they said, to break
down the Sinking Fund altogether.
Mr. MONCK deprecated the spirit of any measure that
might be in the contemplation of the Hon:Member for Somer-
setshire'(Sir T. Lethbridge) for the introduction of 'protecting
duties. The plain meaning of protecting duties was, to raise
the price of bread to the poor. •
, Mr. LEYCESTER said, he had heard of a very sensiblet
'observation of our late Sovereign which bore upon the present
question. Reviewing a 'Regiment of Yeomanry, his late la-
mented Majesty observed to a Noble Friend of his, " I like
these men—not-for what they have in their hands, hut for what
they have in their pockets !"—The pockets of these same men,
be it remembered, were now turned inside out—they. had nu
longer any thing in them ; and he should leave his Majesty'i
Ministers to draw the inference.—( Hear !)—Those Right Hon.
Gentlemen groaned and moaned over a loss of 10-per cent. on
the salaries of Placemen and Pensioners, but they had no such
feeling for the suffering classes of the community.
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT said, with reference to the cen-
sure of the Noble Marquis on the language of the Hon. 'Mem.:
ber for Somersetshire, that Hon. Baronet had used language
which, if the Country Gentlemen in that House had not been
so long backward in using, the landed interest would not now
• have so much reason to complain of 'the state they were in.
He hoped that when the Hon. Baronet came forward with his
motion for the relief of the suffering agriculturists, lion.- Mere:
hers would not permit any bashfulness arising frohi inexpe-
rience in addressing that Assembly, to restrain that expression
of their sentiments whiCh they had so long, in dereliction' f their
duty-to their constituents, withheld. He begged to assure them
that they would-find 'themselves backed by the country at large,
and that a re-action would be produced by it, which would be
most beneficial to the country. He thought that moderate
course was all that was wanting to restore the country to that
state of prosperity to which, it was his comfort to think, in the
midst of prevailing distress, it was still able to do. It was not
pleasant to charge any Gentleman with inability ; but he must
say, that he thought the existing distress was owing to the
utter ignorance of Ministers of the state of the country over
which they had so long presided. He referred as a proof of
this, to the Bill of 1819, for the restoration of the currency,
' which; unaccompanied by a remission of taxes to o certain ex-
tent, was most unjust and cruel. And when the Noble Mar-
.quis stood up, and called upon the 'Howie for gratitude
for • his management of the public money; and the m
sure of relief introduced by -the Government this Session, he
begged to say that he for one owed him no- gratitude, nor did
the House, nor the country. • They had rednced no burthetok
but what that side of the House had forced them
.to • do. Be-
sides which they would be culpable if they spent one shilling
more than they ought to do, and therefore deserved no thanks
for doing their duty. But what right had they to eXpect gra-
tithde from the agricultural classes of the country ? Ncrhatever
measures they had introduced' for them, they had not relieved
them of the distress under which they laboured. If, howemer,
they had restored the prosperity of the country-if its interests
were as fluctuating as they were in reality decaying•-:--if the
state of the country were the reverse of the fact, he sheuld
not feel grateful td his Majesty's' Ministers. 'When they
passed 'that Currency Bill of 1819, they ought to-have taken=
off' taxes to the extent of the depreciation from which they
emerged in establishing that measure. This they would
•have foreseen,- had • they been wise and taken tune to con-
sider, and even then he should thirds that they had only put
themselves in a state to consider whtri they should exercise: