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tory explanation which had been offered, no further prciceeding
was naceasary. He therefore conceived, under all the circum-
stances of the case, that he should meet the unanimous feeling
of the House, by moving, " That Mr. Menzies be discharged
from further attendance. '
Mr. BROUGHAM rose to second the motion of the Hon.
Gentleman. He felt that the House had reason to be satisfied
with the real explanation and vindication of his conduct which
Lad been offered by the Learned Gentleman who had just ap-
peared at their Bar. He contended that as that Gentleman
had no view to a breach of the peace, and no wish to infringe
the privileges of the Ilouse, but had merely desired to express
his feelings on the charges contained in the report, nothing fur-
ther was necessary. It was to him highly satisfactory that the
matter should terminate thus. After what had passed, he felt
that the privileges of the House were as safe as was the honour
of all the parties concerned.
The motion for discharging Mr. Menzies from further at-
tendance was then put and carried.

...en pt,
THE TURKISH FRIGATE.
Colonel DAVIES said he wished to give the Noble Lord an
opportunity to shew whether the spirit of neutrality which the
Government professed as between the Turks and the Greeks,
Came from the heart, or was merely put on to suit a particular
purpose. There was now a Turkish frigate lying in the river,
mounting no less than 58 guns, and having a British crew. He
himself (Colonel Davies) had been aboard this vessel, and he
found that there were in it 14 or 15 British officers, 250 British
sailors, and only 34 Turks. This was in fact a British vessel
under; Turkish colours. He took therefore this early opportu-
nity to ask the Noble Lord whether he intended to allow this,
or to put in force the provisions of the Foreign Enlistment Bill
Lord LONDONDERRY was anxious to give an explanation
on this subject. The Pacha of Egypt had met the wishes of this
Government, not merely in commercial intercourse, but in pro-
curing remains of antiquity. The vessel in question, which be-
longed to the Pacha of Egypt, came here before the breaking
out of the war between the Greeks and the Turks, not as a ship
of war, but bringing some antiquities and a cargo of linseed, to
be sold for the Paella's benefit. After the breaking out of the
war, an application was made on the part of the Pacha to induce
the Government to sell him two frigates. This the Government
refused,expressly on the ground that it would be an infraction of
the neutrality which had been professed. As to the vessel in
question, they referred it to the Law Officers, to inquire how far
the law of neutrality bore on the case. The Law Officers re-
Ported, that as the vessel in question had come here as a mer-
chant vessel, the Government might very properly allow it faci-
lities to return in that character, and not in an armed state.
l'he Government, therefore, consented that British mariners
sillould navigate it as far as Malta, where Turkish sailors should
he sent to take it to Egypt. He repeated, that the application
for the purchase of the two frigates had been refused, and that
the application for arms for this vessel had also been refused.
Colonel DAVIES said, that surely 250 men were not neces-
sary merely to navigate this vessel. When he was on board
the vessel, an officer, who called himself second in command,
raid thitt they were about to cruize against the Greeks; and
this not in any sort of confidence, as there was a large party
present: he seemed indeed rather to make a boast of it. He
understood also that there were guns on board : the officer said
Ithe mounted 58.
Lord LONDONDERRY said, inquiry should be made
Whether the persons employed. were doing any thing inconsistent
With the agreement with the government. If they were, they
should be prevented.
Dr. LUSHINGTON observed, that 50 or 68 men would
certainly be sufficient to navigate the vessel.
111 r. HUTCHINSON observed, the Pacha of Egypt was a
sub r.
of the Porte, and had recently sent a fleet to assist the
furks against the Morea. The Turks were no seamen, and
The presence of 250 British seamen dispersed among their fleet,
1111,,g ht be of material injury to the cause of the Greeks.
r.l, 'Air- ROBINSON said, that if the Turkish vessel was a
.erchant ship, there was no law which prevented British sea-
e a from entering it. lf, on the other hand, the vessel was a
'ulP of war, the Foreign Enlistment Bill made it criminal for
any British subject to engage in fitting it out or manning it,
auunless there was an order in Council, or other competent au..
(11.itY• As there had been no such order in Council, or other
thority, if there were any British subjects engaged in fitting
that vessel out as a ship of war, they were guilty of ,an illegal
act, and were responsible accordingly.
BARING said, the feelings of all Christendom were
lure excited by the actual contest between the Greeks and the
ks, than by any other question which agitated the world ;
and it was important, not only that this country should maintain
/In honourable course with respect to it, but that it should ap-
Pear to do so in the eyes of Europe. It did unfortunately bap-
Pen, that all appearances were extremely against us.—(Hear!)
'Any one who visited the Continent of Europe, would lament
prevalence of reports which, from the assertions of the llon.
.reritlemen opposite, he must take to be false. This country,
1:3 fact, laboured under the base imputation of, in sonic degree
pt_teblicly, in a greater degree covertly, aiding the Turks against
I,onr•Greeks. The reputation of the country was of no small Un-
man?
ece and thus it was very unfortunate that the circum_
hich had been alluded to had happened,: for however
tlerne gq they who personally knew the character of the Gen-
mation who filled the Treasury Bench naight take their excla-
taken.ns 5 on the Continent he was assured they would not be

Sit J SOUTH AMERICA.
at th • lACKINTOSH said he should not put a question
11 at hour if it were not. that an answer to it would relieve the
th°llse front the necessity of a discussion on an early day, and
4: Mercantile world from much embarrassment nder whih it
lv laboured ; his. question referred to the recognition ofc the
ePendence of the South American States. He knew that it
41,8 all office of good neighbourhood, before such a step was
14(0_, that some explanation should be given to the State Which
et) 'wag exercised authority over those States, and still claim-
No dominion dominion over them. He had heard asserted that a
thatut: Lord at the head of his Majesty's Co.uncils had declared,
Atkedx,Planations had commenced on this subject. He now
the Noble Lord, whether any representation had been
shade
t S •which
thee 0 pain related to the recognition of the independ-
. 1,,0f South America by Great Britain ?
shounle,, Aiarquis of LONDONDERRY wished that the subject
tietair,be brought on in a specific motion, when he could give a
'ho ell statement less liable to misconception than any answer
vet-",m,4d give. Discussions were pending with the Spanish Go-
othe;“ent, but whether they might lead to one result or the
s• was uncertain.
shape). -MACKINTOSH said, he would put the question in a
4:l'VWhich the Noble Lord m be enae to give an
ert°
--bid the discussion commenceet with hisbl Majesty's Go-
er4lll- ent;
'
Rive LONDONDERRY said, nothing would more tend to
4,;', obscure conception of the business, than his attempt to
r thisquestion.—(A laugh.)
Sir n PRIZE MONEY.
b— ILSON asked the reason of the delay in distri-
rkt.:R the sum of 23,0001. granted as Prize Money to the
8.1f,",)'-'gypt
94ellip:' ',ONG said the distribution was delayed in conse-
Utlder It: an additional claim from the captors, that was now
a(lJudication.
Sit i-el' a few words from Colonel DAVIES, Sir C. LONG, and
ARC WILSON,
1.443 11ENNET said he had heard complaints from old com-
Java. IVfficulties experienced in getting their shares of the
1,41,,1ize Money.
l'rize.4lloKEß. said he was one of the Trustees of the Java
"er b-'''"qs They had distributed a larger sum than had
silweeen divided in the same time, and had not met with a
temp„le°olPlaint ; if any were made they should be readily at-
-. to,

Ofter BEER SELLING BILL.
10.8°rne conversation as to the convenience of the House,
No i,-10tIGHA:t11 fixed the discussion on this Bill for an
"our to-morrow.

SUPPLY.
C-)41,. the motion for going into a Committee of Supply,
lion F.ollLllANNl•;Yexpressed his astonishment at_ the asser-
!o-,,,,tilat no complaints had been heard about theJavcaaPptraizine
411,,11-Y' He knew a very gross case of a Commander,
and
was orGara Stopford, who had lost his arm in the service,
I.yated as an able seaman.
ge Souse went into a Committee.
114 IRISH AII6CELLANEOUS SERVICES.
feetah',QOULßußN proposed a vote of 17,0001. for the Pro-
4, "`,,,Charter Schools in Ireland. NIte,IIIIIIIE called the attention of the Hous
e
thteo the
eeaomfouthnet
four' and that now called for. The sum total valued at the
or tii Period was 217,0001. Last year there voted.
by
e tame service 340 0001. He wished forthe improve-h tof 1 I •'la •
Y .., re an , and this cou in no way be so well effected. as
th,i-queating the lower orders. He, however, was of oinion,
c't cl.l)._°re ought to be done for the education of the children
het'"lolics than had been done. There was no proportion
test4bee,_h the provision made for the education of Pro-
tholiZ3)
It that made for instructing the children of Cat-
terlam--• It was gratify.
benevolent
to mark the success which
101te-' the effects of thembe to improve the state of
.the
pecaorders in Ireland. He thought the Hibernian Society
(lobgliarlv entitled to public gratitude for the service they had
tiolies' 411(1 above all for the example they had set. Such exer-
had
the
more successful than votes of public money, which
IvotiOe effect of deterring the charitable from doing w.hat they
isiteCt etherwise have done. It was therefore his wish to see
fi/°olll4tar'ts graduallp reduced. In the present instance it
ends, e well to reduce the same to seven or eight thousand
A2;ia-tidaPPly the remainder to educate the poor on a dif-
_,4ll, with regard to religious distinction.
4f4j';(4lji4lt
URN thought the objection to the vote a little
had beenbreduced this year from twenty to