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TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 17, 1849.

batteries in this country. Why, bless his soul, what did
tbny went with batteries in a eounixy were the people
were all obed.eot to the law.—(llear, fi,ar.) They tiad
asked for explanation of this in the Committee, bat none
had been given. Then there was another point, the
number of officers on the department had been aug-
mented without consulting the House, according to the
recommendation of the Committee of 1828. But in
doing this, they had appointed only senior and high-paid
officers, while the complaints of their own officers in the
colonies was that there was a deficiency of inferior offi-
cers, and that non-commissioned officers had to b 3 ap-
pointed to do the duties. Under these circumstances,
he hoped that the explanation he asked for would be
given.

Lord J. RUSSELL said the Hon. Member had first
rsked his Hon. and Gallant Friend what the Govern-
ment meant to do with respect to the recommendations,
and now he complained that he had not told him how
many artillery then" would be. His Hon. and Gallant
Friend was prepared to have told him that on Thursday
night, so that it appeared they might as well have gone
on with the estimates them.—(Hear, hear.) He took
upon himself the responsibility of adopting the sugges•
tion of the Master• General of the Ordnance both as re-
gards the increase of the artillery, and the manner in
which it was carried out, and he was glad to find the
recommendations of the Committee so fully borne out by
the GuvQrnment.

Mr. HUME, while ho agreed that the artillery ought
to be a❑ efficient force, contended that it should be pro-
portioned to the infantry and the requirements of the
State. Inatcad of adding two additional battalions, the
proper course to have adopted would have been to in-
crease the number of men in the existing corps if that
increase were demanded by the state of the country,
which he denied. He believed it would be absolutely
necessary to check the expenditure which had grown
n 2 during later years, and he entered his protest
against the utter recklessness which was manifested in
maintaining what could not be otherwise regarded than
as war establishments.

Captain BOLDERO considered, looking at the effi-
cient state of the artillery service in other countries,
that the time had arrived when they ought to increase
the artillery of this country. The French had one gun
for every 300 men, while we had but one gun for every
750 men.
Mr. HUME thought that if justice were done the
people no necessity would exist for keeping up the large
war establishment now maintained.

The vote was then agreed to.
The sum of 151,6501. to complete the amount neces-
sary for Commissariat and Barrack supplies.
Mr. HUME said that since the year 1838 this sum had
been nearly doubled, and he had heard no argument ad-
vanced for such an increase.

Colonel ANSON explained that the additional number
of men employed in the service, of course required an
increased sum for commissariat supplies.
After a few words from Colonel PEEL,
The vote was agreed to.
The sum of 45,8M1. to defray the expense of the
Ordnance-office.

Mr. COBDEN protested against the further conside-
ration of the estimates at that late hour, after twelve
hours' sitting. The subject was too important to be
lightly discussed, and he suggested an adjournment of
the subject.
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Lord J. RUSSELL could not consent to postpone-
ment, the more particularly as they could not resume the
consideration of these estimates before Friday night.
Mr, COBDEN pressed for postponement, adding that
the country would not be satisfied with the Legislature
voting away large sums of money at midnight without
serious consideration.

Mr. V. SMITH advocated a revision of the Ordnance
Board, which was by no means an efficient body, in ac-
cordance with the suggestions of the Committee of 1849.
Mr. HUME said, if anything could prove the impro-
priety of their proceeding with the estimates at the pre-
sent late hour, it was the speech of the Hun. Gentleman
who had just addressed them. There was a feeling out
of doors that the Board should be altogether abolished;
And if there was not a discussion in the present session,
there would be no change till next year, and he would
herefore suggest that the Committee should be ad-
journed till Thursday.

Lord J. RUSSELL—With reference to the suggestion
of the Hon. Member to adjourn the Committee, he did
not see that the adjournment till that day would enable

he House to come to a better conclusion on the esti-
mates.

Mr. MILES was in favour of the adjournment.
After a few words from Mr. FOX MAULE,
Sir W. MOLESWORTH said it seemed quite im•
possible they could then go through the estimates. It
was his intention on the seventh vote to bring under
consideration the cases of Bermuda, the Mauritius, and
the lonian Islands, and as his doing so would occupy
some time, and as he would expect some explanations,
he did not see the possibility of their now proceeding.
After some discussion, in which Mr. Hoasmsx, Lord
JOHN RUSSELL, and others took part,
Mr. lIORSMAN moved that the Chairman should
report progress, when strangers were ordered to with-
draw. It appeared, however, that the motion was
not pressed to a division, and on being re-admitted
we found—

Mr. COBDEN addressing the House. He said the
Honourable Member for Montrose had left the House
in consequence of the conduct of Ministers persisting
in proceeding. Common sense, decency, and jus-
tice forbade them going on any further that night, and
he should therefore move that the Chairman should re-
port progress.
Mr. BERNAL.—Does the Hon. Member mean to
divide the House ?

Mr. COBDEN—Certainly.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
House divided, when there appeared—
For the motion ...
Against it ...
Majority against the motion
Upon the vote being put,
Mr. KERSHAW moved that the Chairman report
progress.
Lord J. RUSSELL—If the Hon. Gentleman will
allow this vote to pass, I shall not proceed further to-
night.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. KERSHAW, however, having intimated his in-
tention to persist in dividing,
Lord J. RUSSELL said, if Hon. Gentlemen meant to

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take such a course, however small their minority—
hear)—he thought it would be best to postpone
the vote. He would, therefore, put them for Wednes-
day, in the hope that Hon. Gentlemen with Bills for
that day (of which there were not many) would con-
sent to allow the Supply to come on, and he would
endeavour to make an arrangement on those Bills on
another day.
The House then resumed, and the report was received.
On the order of the day, Encumbered Estates Bill
(consideration of Lords' amendments),
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL hoped Government would
not press the Bill through with any haste. It was quite
evident the session would last longer than had been ex-
pected after the postponement of the supply.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, he proposed to consider the
Bill to-morrow at twelve o'clock, as the amendments bad
been generally seen by Members, and had not been se-
riously objected to.
Colonel DUNNE movel that the House should not
sit at twelve o'clock to-morrow, and said he would di
vide the House on it.

Lord J. RUSSELL informed the Hon. Member be
could not do so, as other orders of the day were already
fixed for the meeting of the llouse.—(Hear, hear.) He
would not object to take the Bill on Thursday, at twelve
o'clock, if the Hon. Member wished.—Agreed to.
ATHLONE TO GALWAY RAILWAY BILL.

On the order of the day for the House going into
Committee on this Bill,

Mr. F. FRENCH. requested the Government to post-
pone the Committee until there was a fuller attendance
of Irish Members.

The C h ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
at such a period of the session these postponements were
most injurious and could serve no object, particularly in
case of a Bill like the present, which had the consent of
both sides of the House.
Major BL ACKHALL also urged a postponement, as
many Irish Members who wished to extend the measure
had gone away under the impression it would not be
brought forward that night.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed
it would be impossible to extend that Bill at least.—
(Hear.) No Bill for the benefit of Ireland could be
carried if this course of postponing measures was to be
pursued night after night.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. O'FLAIIERTY begged the Hon. Member (Mr.
French) not to oppose the with of his own county, to let
the measure pass.
Mr. F. FRENCH denied that the county he repre-
sented or the baronies to be affected by the Bill were
favourable to it.
The House then went into Committee, and several
clauses were agreed to, when
Mr. F. FRENCH rose to move a proviso to the
effect that the money advanced by the barony of Gal-
way should be repaid before any division of profits took
place!
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER op-
posed the proviso, on the ground that it was con-
trary to the arrangement on which the Bill had been
introduced.
AfV?r some conversation, in the course of which Sir
J. Burke, Sir P. Nugent, and several other Honourable
Gentlemen recommended the Hon. Member for Ros-
CQOIIIIOII to withdraw his proviso, and expressed their
belief that the arrangement proposed by the Bill would
be advantageous to Galway and the adjoining districts,
The proviso was negatived without a division.
The remaining clauses of the Bill were then agreed to.
The Relief of Diatress, Ireland (No. 2), Bill passed
through Committee.
The House, in Committee, on the motion of the
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, agreed to a
resolution authorising an ad vance from the Consolidated
Fund, not exceeding 50,000!., part of previous repay-
ments, for building workhouses in Ireland.
On the motion of Lord ASHLEY, the Nuisance Re-
moval and Diseases Prevention Bill was read a second
time.

A Bill to amend the Metropolitan Sewers Act was
brought in by Lord EBRINCToN, and read a first time.
The other orders of the day being disposed of, the
House, at Half-past Two o'clock this morning adjourned
until noon.

Catesby Abbey, one of them and in- '
teresting estates in Northamptonshire, is to be submitted
to public sale by Mr. Robins, at Daventry, on Thursday
next. The diffieulty of disposing of the property in its
entire state has induced the proprietor to divide the
estate into several lots. Catesby Abbey, with the
manors, village, cemetery, avenue of elms, uni two
farms, altogether about 300 acres, forming the principal
lot, offering irresistible attractions to the capitalist.
The outlying farms will be submitted singly, and much
competition is expected in the neighbourhood. This
fine property still shows all the evidence of connexion
with the earliest poriod of Inglioh history.