The Sun.
London, England, 1822-08-10 00:00:00

[MORNING CIMONI.CLE.]

WTe refer our: readers to a Report in anotOr
011111111 containing the .Conclusion of the trial in
the case the King v. Williams, for an alleged
libel on the. Established 'Church, and on .the
Clergy of the Cathedral Church of-. Durham.—
•(See TILE SUN of yesterday,)—Te verdict will;
we dare say, rather surprise many of our, readers.
Aware, as we are, of the facility with which con-
victions in political cases can at all times be pro.;
cured in the country, especially when the instru-
ment is a Special. Jury of 'Squires—and aware,
as .we are also, Of the influence which a body
possessing so .much of the property of Durham
must have in that county, we 'confess We still
imagined that a respect for public feeling and
public opinion would have some influence on
the Jurors on this occasion, With the full know-.
ledge: of the' spirit displayed by, the Clergy of
Durham, at the. period of the Queen's death (we
wish we could say this was an insulated .case)—
with the knowledge of the open manner in which
'the upper Clergy
,every where embark in politi-
cal intriguing—of their subserviency to the Mi-
nistry for the time being; to the Freat detriment
of the' Establishment, and the increase of the.
numbers: f:DisSenters of every description., we
are astonished that any Jury should pronounce
.an article in a Journal, in which nothing
,more
than this was stated, nothing More. than what was
as notorious as the sun at noon day," to be a
libel. We hope and Irust•there will be sufficient
.spirit in the country to take up the case of. this
Journalist, in whose condemnation the right, of
discassion .has been- so vitally. -att4ked. Mr.
Baron Wood, indeed, told the Jury, that " this
was a libel, and a• gross libel." But the Learned
Ittdge hiniself pronounced at the same time a
much more..severe libel .on both Church and
State. " if a man (he said) was 'at liberty to
'write- and print whatever he pleased against the
-Church and State, this Government, could not
'last."—The Learned 'Judge must either think
the Constitution of this country in Church and
State so 'very bad that 'it will not :bear td be
brought into discussion, or, allowing him to think
the, beSt of all poSsible Constitutions, he must
also think that ungrounded abuse, . notorious
falsehood, present such irresistible charms to the
generality of mankind, that truth and reason have
not the smallest chance in competition with them.
The Learned‘Judge pronounces, therefore, either
a libel on the Constitutions of the Country, or a
-libel on human nature.

•
HIG-HWAY OB)3ElZY.—Thursday night,. about
nine o7clociti. as, Mr. Richards, of Parsons Green, was.on his
return hOnie from town, be was hustled near the dead wall at
Kensington, by two felloirs, who robbed frith of his-watch,,iiith
a gold chain, and three chased seals; the villains' then escaped
across Sloane-square.

FOR THE SUN.

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LETTER XIX.

MR. EDITOR—In your Paper or the 22d of
November, 1821, you concluded some remarks
you then made upon the first of the present series
of Letters, published on that day, by 'saying—
" We confess, for our own part, that assertions
have been so often and so confidently repeated
as to the overwhelming numerical superiority of
the Irish Romanists over the Irish Protestants,
that, (uncontradicted as they have been, either
by temporal or spiritual authority), we are far
from being surprised that they should have ob-
tained general credence in this country ;—we are
far from being surprised that many persons,
who would otherwise have been decidedly ad-
verse to the Catholic Claims, have been induced
to lend a favourable ear to demands which they
have been led to believe are the demands of near-
ly a whole people ! We are far from 'peing sur-
prised that some of those .who would have re-
coiled from a proposition to entrust Papists with
authority over a population essentially Protest-
ant, have been induced to admit the justice and
propriety of permitting Romanists to exercise
povfer over a population which they have been
falsely assured is essentially Popish !"
I have been led to make these reflections by
two circumstances that have recently occurred :
the first, a letter, in the form of a pamphlet *,
addressed by .a Right Hon. Member of the House
of Commons to his Excellency Marquis Wellesley;
in which the author states the Roman Catholic
population of Ireland to be to the Protestant as
twelve to one : the second, a speech, mentioned
by the Editors of Newspapers, to have been de-
livered by a Noble Marquis, in the House` of
Lords, on the 14th of ,Tune; in which his Lord-
ship said—" in 1695, the population of Ireland
was one mallow,' seven hundred and forty
thousand—in 1821, it was six millions, eight
hundred and forty-six tbousandone fourteenth
of that population only were Protestants—ano-
ther fourteenth were Dissenters—the remainder
were Roman Catholics."

Such.altegations, coming from Members of the
Legislature, must, if not contradicted, have con-
siderable influence upon the Minds of the Pro 4
testants of Great Britain ; and may " induce
many persons, who would otherwise have been
decidedly adverse to. Catholic Claims, to lend a.
favourable ear to demands which they have been
led to-believe are the deMands of nearly a whole
people,"--the rather, as the Author of the letter
is an Irish, Gentleman of family, and the Noble
Marquis has extensive estates in Ireland ; from
which it might be supposed that they had gen_
well-informed upon this subject., It shall, there-
fore, be the object of the present Letter, to ex-
pose the fallacy of their allegations ; and let
your Readers judge between them and me : but,
as few of them may have your Papers to refer
to, it will be necessary, in the present inquiry,
to bring:again to their observation some of the
authorities I have already cited, and some of
the argutrients I have already advanced ; though
I shall addace -Others. I beg leave, however,
to premise that, having already so fully
stated' the grounds of my dissent from the re-
turn lately made of the population of Ire-
land, I shall not now Say any thing further upon
thaLsubject; but, in the.present discussion, take.,
the numhersyas stated by' 'the Marquis, at six
inillioniy..eighthundred and forty...six thousand.
The author of the letter out-herods Herod ;
for Mr: O'Connell himself, with all hiS modesty,
in his"speech in the Metropolitan Chapel, on the
13th of February, claimed ONLY six out of the
seven. millions. of inhabitants,' he alleged Ire-
land to contain, leaving one million to Protestants
and Dissenters ; but the Right Honourable Gen-
tlemanallows to both (in caloilating,the popula-
tion, Protestants.and Protestant Dissenters.have
always been taken together) five
_hundred 'and
seventy-five thousand, 'or. one-twelfth: Ilis.LOrd-
ship, •indeed, in giving' one-fourteenth to Pro-
teStantsyand a second fourteenth to Dissenters,
agrees With:the ingenuous -Barrister, .who had
left one-seventh 'for both united ; that is,. out of
the numbers. mentioned in the. House of Lords,
nine hundred and seventy-eight thousand.
Sir Willianr'Petty, who, for aught I know,
might have been the, ancestor of the Nobles Mar-
quis, surveyed Ireland. shortly before , the -Re-
storation of Charles IL; 'and the map he.then-
drew may be .se.en in the Surveyor-General's
Office, in the: 'City .of Dublin. lle,afterwards
published a 'Work, entitled " Political Ana-
tomy," ib which he states the whole population
of Ireland to amount, in the year 16,72, to one
million, one hundred thousand; and that the
Protestants and Ronan Catholics were in the
proportion of tht:ee to eight, so that at that
period the Protestants were more than one-third
of the inhabitants Of the country, that is,
300,000+, and the Ronm,Catholics 800,000.
In the year 1732; an accurate enumeration
was made, by order of the Government, of all
the families in Ireland, distinguiShing the Pro-
testant families from the Romish in each pro-
vince, and: 6 calculation Was made 'from thence.
of the numbers of the Protestant and Romish in-
habitants of Ireland : it was printed in Dublin in
the year 1736, and •reprinted in 1788. It ap-
pears; from that calculation, that in the year
1732 the number of Protestant inhabitants was to
that of the Romish in,the proportion of 1 t 0.2-1.
Dr. Burke,. ,Romish titular Bishop of Ossory,"
wrote a.book in Latin, which he entitled " 11 i-
bernica Dominieana •;" it was printed 'at Brussels
in. the year 1762: and he particularly slates, that
an actual enumeration. was-made•of the numbers
of PrOtestants and Romanists in Ireland in the
year 1731, and that there were found to be
then in the kingdom 700,453 Protestants, and
1,309,76,8 ApmaniSts : so that the proportion of
Romanists and :Protestants was not, in the year
1731, quite- two to one,,aCcOrding to Dr. Burke.
It is very likely that this Romish Bishop had
very accurate information of the relative num-

. . ;
, • .:I think, it necessary to mention, that I have not seen this
Pamphlet, only ,an extract from it, published in the Southern
Reporter. ~ , .
I + in my. Ninth Letter; I).lll;Eshe'd- in your Paper of 2utli of
Nay, .I showed from Sir John Temple's History, that Upwards
of 390,000 Protwants had been murdered, or otherwise d.estroy-
ed, in less than two years, during the Rebellion which broke
out in 1641.

bers, perhaps bettei thane that whiCh could be
deduced from the documents stated in the pam-
phlet, containing the calculation'tnade in 1732.
Dr. Burke also states, that the proportion bad
much increased on the Protestant side, be-
tween the year 1731, and the year 1762, when
he wrote, by the operation of the Popery Code,
and the Protestant Charter-schools, and makes
grievous complaints of the increase of He-
retics, as he styles Protestants. The Popery
Code continued in full vigour to the year 1776,
and its operation, together with the Charter-
schools, must have increased the proportion on
the Protestant side. There is a modern docu-
ment which' must have great weight in this ques-
tion, taken from the numbers of beggars admit-
ted into the House of Industry in Dublin, for a
course of six years, beginning with the year 1784,
and ending with the year 1789; and their respec-
tive religious persuasions. This House ofindustry
is a general receptacle for all beggars which
flock into Dublin from all parts of Ireland, for
there are no poor rates in Ireland. Divine ser-
vice is performed separately in this 'receptacle
for persons of the two persuasions, and Chaplains
are retained for each by the Corporaticin..

• w Numbers admitted.
Protestants. Romanists.
In 1784 . - 696 " - 1870
In 1785 - 768 - 2435 -
In 1786 , - 1794 - 2912
In 1787 - - 1493 - 3341
In 1788 - - 854 - 3643
In 1789 - 798 - 3615

6,403

17,816

" The Romish beggars admitted during a course
of six years did not exceed the Protestant beg-
gars in the proportion of three to one. The
House of Industry is filled with the lowest class;

and as the property in the hands of Irish Pro 7
,testants is to that in the hands of Irish Romanists
as thirty-nine to one, the proportion of beggars
on the side of Irish Romanists to those in the
Proteetant side must vastly exceed the propor-
tion of Romanists and Protestants in the nation
at large. Besides, although wandering beggars
flock to Dublin from all parts of the kingdom,
the fewest certainly come from the northern
Counties, which abound most with Protestants
forthaving a flourishing manufacture, these Coun-
ties send forth the fewest beggars. From all

these documents it may be fairly concluded, that
Irish Romanists exceed Irish Protestants in num-
ber throughout the whole kingdom in no greater
proportion than that of two to ones perhaps in
much less."

Those who were acquainted with the late Right
Hon. R. Duiginan, from whose " Far Represen-
tation of the Political State of Ireland," I have
taken the foregoing, require no proof of his
inflexible integrity, his strong mind, and his
sound judgment.' For the information, how-
ever, of those who were strangers to him, and
to shew the justness of his reasoning, I shall add,
that, in commenting upon a Pamphlet then re-
cently published, which stated the inhabitants of.
the City of Dublin to amount to four hundkett
thousand, he said, " I never before heardthem
computed at a greater number than one hundred.
and fifty thousand, and they are certainly under
tivp hundred thousand." Twenty-one years
after' he published This valuable work, that is
in 1821, the population amounted only to
186,276, as appears by the late return to Par-
liament.

Through the kindness of an intelligent person,
connected with the Institution, I have procured
a Return of the Paupers and Beggars admitted
into the house of Industry, in this city, in'a
course of three years, from the Ist day of June
1819, to the Ist day of June 1822.

Nutnbers of Protestant Paupers and Beggars admitted
from. June Isl 9 to June 1822... - - 634

Nujrnbers of Roulish Paupers and Beggars admitted
• &Out June 1819 to .tune 1822 - - - - 2543

1 rom which it appears that the Protestant
Paupers and Beggars are to the Romish as one
o four.,

When we consider, that this House of Industry
is.a general teceptaCle, not only for the Paupers
and Beggars of this -city, 'but also of the county
of Cork, by much the most extensive county in
Ireland, the Magistrates of which have the power
of sending froth their 'respective districts poor
Persons for' admission ; when we consider that
Cork is one of those Counties in which Romanists,
partiCularly of the lower class, very considerably
preponderate; I repeat, when we consider these
circumstances, I think this document alone.would.,
proVe the futility of the assertions of the Author
of the Letter, and those of the Noble Marquis.:
but, combined with the return from the House
of Industry in the City of Dublin, and the sound
argurnentatiye • reasoning of the late Doctor.
Duiginan thereon, it cannot fail to convince every
ingenuous mind that the Romish population of
Ireland has been most grossly exaggerated.
And n6w, Mr. Editor, 1 unhesitatingly and
fearlessly challenge the Right Hon. Author, and
the Noble Marquis, to prove their allegations.
If they have been misled by the artifices of those
that have an object in deceiving the GOvernMent,
the Legislature', and. tlie country, itis a duty they
owe to that country, as well as to their.own
characters, to rectify the error into which they
have been drawn 'through evilzdesign ; and it is
a duty that, -as men of unquestionable honour,
they will perform : if it has been a part of that
system, so long practised by those that advocate
the -cause of what is called." Chtholic Emancipa'.

tion," I am ,not vain
,enough to suppose that any
arguments I can adduce will have the effect of
turning them from their purpose; but 1 hope at
least to be able to guard some of your Readers
against such exaggerations. In the latter case,
in the technical language of the Law, I call, first,
Upon the Author of the Letter, " to slew cause"
why the Protestant population of Ireland should
have decreased from 700, 453, in 1731, ac-
cording to the statement of a man avowedly,
hostile to the Protestant interest ; to '575,000,

in 1821 ; the one-twelfth of the 6,846,000,which
he so liberally allows to Protestants ; and
why the Romish population should have ad-
vanced from 1,309,768, to 6,271,000, being
eleven-twelfths. Secondly, I call upon_ the
Noble Marquis " to chew cause" why the Pro-
testant population, in ninety years, should only
have risen from the numbers allowed to them by
the Romish Bishop of Ossory, as already stated,

to 978,000 ; and why the s Romrsh popillatl°l
should, in the same space of, time, have, increase"(
from 1,309,768, to 5,868,000. -Will they sall
the Protestants, that " the fire has consumed their
young men, and that their maidens were ne, '
given to marriage ?" Or how will they accoueL
—the one fore the great decrease, the other for
the trifling increase—on the Protestant side;
while the Roman Catholics have, even accord"
to the Noble Marquis's statement, considerably
more than quadrupled their numbers?
Cork, July 16, 1822. SIDNEY.

CAUTION TO HACKNEY COACHMEN.-- The
drivers of the Hackney Coaches, 438,•V9, 43"
and. 344, were yesterday summoned before • the
Commissioners by 'the Street-keeper of St. maerf
Le Strand (as a caution to others) for drawing °
the regular stand, and placing their coaches °P;
posite the houses between Catherine-street aa
Exeter 'Change, during-the performances at the
English Opera, to the great annoyance of Cha`i°,;
habitants, and the encouragetnent.of thieves and
prostitutes by the obstructions thereby occasioned
A
on the foot pavement.=The CLIAIRMAN stated,
there was no excuse for coachmen, even ifengag4'
placing their coaches opposite the honsei of .per
sons who had not engaged them, and. the inhaby
tants directed the. Street-keeper to sumtnon al
future, offenders.
MURDER.—A. few nights ago a man ,name;cin
James Minty, a native of the county of Alarrt
Ireland, and who had been employed in the paint
manufactory of Messrs. Crease and Co. Saar,_'
field, for the last nine years, went into the tap'
room of the Coopers' Arms, in Chick-lane, f°:
SOllle beer, when, on entering the room, he wns
instantly. pounced upon by two Connaught
who pinioned his arms behind him, whilst a this •
named G-anly, a bricklayer's labourer, o°l-
menced beating him over the head with a h'invf
mer, or some such weapon, till he. was in a gee
blood, and quite speechless. Minty, on going °`
the house, had-his niece, a little .girl, with hin'S
who witnessed the treatment 9f her uncle, a°
endeavoured to get him away from his assailants'
in doing which she was also struck on the head
by which it was severely wounded. r°ls
Minty lay for, dead,. in the taproom with' his
head beat to a mummy, and weltering in, 'le
blood. The watch was called, 'and the via°, ,
neighbourhood was Soon in' armsi and many Pe f•
sons went in all, directions :in quest of the sv
flans, but- they., had contrived to escape.
wounded' man was' placed on 'a
shutter, and CO:
veyed to Bartholotrieti'i Hospital, when,
amination, it was found that his head was dreg
fully:fractured, besides_ other severe contusie°
'
The unfortunate man lingered in the most eNcrcit
, L
0,
elating pain tilll 0
esterday•morning, when :',e5..,,-
put.an end. to. his sufferings. Previous to his '`c,
solution-he. signed a
.deposition, in which he °,15-
cused wild has absconded, of being
murderer, and that' he was actuated to Corn', . •
the wicked deed, through unfonnded jealous9:l,.
Mr..SHethoN, the,,Cdroner, has fixed this eveli;
to investigate this affair, when the whele
witnesses are summoned to attend. Minty iv
.a bachelor and-'bore an•excellent character. . •
SINGULAR CIRCUMSTANCE.-011.TUeSdaY lash
a puppy was found• alive under the floor ta-(1...
hay-loft in this town (Cambridge), where it
tae
existed nineteen days without food. The -hi it'
animal, which wag About a month old when
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was lost, appears to have fallen down hetwe,
the joists, and it was discovered in consequen_i;
of a person hearing it moan. When first' e,"tt
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ric
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cated, the poor-thing was a mere sheleton, b,ll
is now gradually' recovering.—(Cambridge "3
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MARRIED. ders
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On the Ist inst., at Wallsend Church, James C.,41 it,
Esq., third son of John Anderson Esq. of Jesolliod-i-
--Northumberland, to Miss Losh, eldest daughter of `;,.. ,vai-
Esq., of Point Pleasant, near Newcastle-upon-lr" st „ii of
On the 6th inst. at Bath, by the Rev. G.- RarlrYdl3lsp"''tbe
cot. Church, by immediate Licence from the Li° t
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Island of Barbadoes, to Mary Gertrude Honoria, er,l4,es: Slif;o-0,
of Andrew Ashe, Esq. of Belvidere, in that 'i-ier fa
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house for the Continent, where they mean to Pa's sqo
moon. . oe
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On Thursday. at St. 3larylebone Church, Ricard C,
rof they
R.A. to Miss Sarah Elizabeth, the eldest daaPte „roonY
John Waddilove, Esq. Immediately after the ecru
set off for the Continent. .
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At Mold, in Flintshire, Lady ANNE MARGARET or.
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sister of the Earl of COVENTRY
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tom much regretted, Hannah, the wife of -Alieha"strqt,, ';ioth
On the 24thhis house in New Pandon- sail-
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castle-npon-Tyne, aged 63, Mr. John Stephenscfintio.T,;a
manufacturer. Ile realized a handsome fortune.
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