The Sun.
London, England, 1849-02-06 00:00:00

MARKET INTELLIGENCE.

(From the London New Price Current of Feb. 6.)
SUGAR.—To-day prices ruled firm for both free and
slave labour Sugar. West India Muscovado was in-
quired after for both the pan and grocery purposes,
whilst the rates obtained are fully equal to those of Fri-
day. Of Barbadoes 150 !Ads went readily at firm
prices, fine yellow realized 41s to 435, good 39s 6d to
40.6 d, middling 38s to 395, and low 36s 6d to 37s 6d per
cwt. The total quantity of Sugar sold to-day amounts
to 300 hhds and tierces. _

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REFINED.—To-day Refined Goods met with a ready
sale for home trade purposes, brown grocery lumps at
49s to 49s 63, standard at 503 to 503 6d; thr market has
alto a firm aspect. Bonded Crushed Sugar 28s to 29s
per cwt.
MAIIRITIIIS.—This afternoon the market was plenti-
fully supplied with Mauritius Sugar; the quantity offered
at public sale amounted to 12,024 bags; the whole sold
with readiness, and at firm rates.
EAST INDIA.—This afternoon a public sale of 1.530
bags of sulphury Madras Sugar went off at stiff rates.
01 Bengal 1,422 bags were sold at lull rates, good and
fine white Benares 41s 6d to 435, damped and washed
39s 6d to 40e. 147 baskets Java went at good prices.
1,208 bags Ceylon fetched stiff rates, low and middling
greyish syrupy realized 34s to 35s 6d, and good yellow
38s Gd per cwt.

FOREIGN.-To day the market exhibited a firm aspect
for Foreign Sugar, but the stiff rates asked prevented
sales of moment by private treaty. Of white Havannah
1,300 chestt of good colour, but rather soft, were sold on
speculation at 30s 6d, in bond.
COFFEF.-This afternoon Ceylon Coffee met with less
attention. and at public sale 3,437 bags 38 casks were
only in part disposed of at rather lower rates, Plantation,
good middling went at 59s to 595 6d, middling 53s to
57s 6d, low middling 49s to 52a 6d, fine fine ordinary
44s to 48s 6d, fine ordinary 395 to 433, good ordi-
nary 35s to 38s, damaged 32s to 495, fine sound
was taken in at 75s to 84s; Native, real good ordinary in
part sold at 355, and good ordinary of old importation
at 345. Of Jamaica 43 casks 15 barrels and bags went
rather cheaper. 153 bags Madras, fine fine ordinary pale
unclean 475, fine ordinary 33s to 425, damaged 35s to 41s,
and 355 bags Manilla, fine ordinary pale rather mixed
32s 6d to 33s percwt.
TEA.-For Black orders continue to get upon a large
scale; indeed in some cases a small advance has been
obtained for Congou, and sound ord clean is not to be
purchased generally under 8i per lb. No rise is yet
visible Green. Prices for Tea now rule as follow:-Con-
gou, sound common clean 8d to Bid, good ord 9d to 9d,
but middling to mid 10d to 11d, good mid and good is to
is 2d, fine is 3d to is 6d, Pekoe flavour Is 6d to is 9d,
Souchong common 9d to 11d, mid is to is 2d, good
Is 3d to is 6d, and fine is 8d to 2s 4d; Twankay
common 5d to 6d, mid and good 7d to 11d, Hyson
sort is to is 2d, Hyson ordinary is 3d to is sd,
middling to good is 6d to 2s, superior 2s 2d to 3s 6d,
Young Hyson low and mid 3d to is, good mid and good
Is 2d to 2s 4d, fine 2s 6d to 3s 3d. Gunpowder Canton
Is 4d to is 6d, Hyson sort is 7d to 3s, fine 3s 6d to
43 6d. Imperial Canton is 2d to is sd, Hyson sort
Is 6d to 3s, plain Caper catties 8d to 9d, in chests 7d
to lid, scented is to Is Bd, pekoe black 8d to is Ed,
flowery 10d to 3s,- scented orange is Id to 2s, and plain
ditto 9d to is per lb.
RICE.-To-day the quantity of Bengal Rice offered
at auction amounted tp 4,160 bags and 400 packets, the
demand was brisker for all sorts, and the whole sold at
full rates.

SPICES.—To-day, at public sale, 100 robms of Mala-
bar Pepper sold at steady rates—light brown 211 to
lid, prey 2-id to 2id, damaged 21d; 11 bags Atrican
Pod taken in at 50s, being above the value ; 10 bags
Ginger sold at 31s 6d for good quality, which is rather
higher ; 80 pockets Malabar went at 18s for small
rough, 21s for middling, and 16s for damaged, being a
reduced price.
SPIRITS.—Brandy has not risen in value; there is,
however, a good trade doing, and at firm rates. For
Geneva the market is in a quiet state. British Corn
Spirits 9s 10d cash, and 9s 9d for Spirits made from Sugar;
the demand is also greater. To-day there is more de3ire
manifested to operate in Leeward Island Rum, and sales
were made at Is 4d to is 5d proof. Of East India some par-
cels fetched Is 3id. For low and mid Jamaica the sale
is brisker at former terms. All fine rum is much
wanted.

Ons.—Cod 231 lOs to 241 per tan. Seal 261 lOs to
271. At auction 35 tuns w're sold; tinged went at 251
5s to 251 10s, straw and yellow 241 to 25/, brown 221 to
23/ 10s, and. very ord 20/ lOs to 211 104. Southern, mid
to fine quality realise 251 lOs to 27/ 10s, and inferior
241 to 25/. At auction 26 tuns Newfoundland
Whale went at 251 ss, and 30 tuns Blubber 51

to 5/ 15s. Sperm is not much wanted, and can be ob-
tained at rather lower rates. Palm, fine quality realised
31s 6d to 325, inferior 28s to 31s. In Cocoa Nut little
business has been concluded by private treaty, and prices
are still receding. At public sale 15 tons of Sydney
sere taken in at 36s to 37s per cwt for good quality,
being above the value. Lard Oil is offered at 36s
to 40s, and Ground Nut at 31s to 31s 6d. For Olive the
market is firm. For Rape Seed Oil an active demand
existed, prices still incline upwards, and the supply fall-
ing off. Linseed met with a good sale for home trade
purposes.
TALLOW.—Prices have again declined for Russian
on the spot, and sellers are willing to accept 38s 6d to
39s per cwt for fine P Y Candle, still few purchasers
are to be me t with,: and a further reduction is looked
for. There has been little passing for delivery.
and 40s is the quotation for thclast- three months
of the year. Home melted at 39s to 39s 6d nett cash
Other sorts of Tallow are likewise cheaper, and the sup-
ply is greater than the demand. At auction 736 packages
of South American were only in part sold. Rough Fat
2s 3d per stone.

THE WAR IN THE PUNJAUB.
(Extract of a Letter.)

"Ileelab, Trans-Chenab, Dec. 15, 1848.

" The whole army remained at Ramnuggur in front of
the enemy till the Ist of December. when a detachment
under the command of General Thackwell was dis-
-latched to Vizierabad ford, 23 miles up the river, to en-
deavour to effect the passage of the river Chenab.
After a long and harassing march the troops arrived
at Vizierabad late in the evening. Though the
shades of evening bad closed in, half the troops
were transported across, the rest passed over
in the morning. The guns were conveyed over in
boats which had been collected at the ford owing to the
great exertions of Captain Nicholson, the political agent.
On the 2d this force marched down the river once more
towards Ramnuggur, though on the enemy's side of the
river. They made that day a march of 12 miles. On the
3d they resumed their march, and had scarcely progressed
10 mites when the flower of the Seikh army, under Shere
Singh in person, was down upon them. They advanced with
the greatest courage, and opened such a well-directed
fire of artillery on us (I was an eyewitness of this en-
gagement) :as to cause astonishment to old soldiers.
Our distinguished General—who, I believe, served
throughout the Peninsula and at Waterloo—deployed
the infantry into line, and posted his guns at intervals of
brig ides. The brave foe was permitted to come close
to us, when suddenly our guns opened. The cannonade
was most fierce. The enemy obtained our range very
soon, and had not the infantry been ordered to throw
themselves on the ground our loss must have been very
great. The enemy in the heat of the action endeavoured
to turn our flanks ; but a demonstration of the 3d Dra-
goons, aided by a few guns on our right, kept them in
check. We had communication with the river on our
left ; just behind our left was a ford, where some
of our reinforcements were attempting to cross at the
time. The enemy made every endeavour to gain this
point but the brave 3d Irregulars, and some com-
panies of foot, assisted by guns, drove them back. After
a fire of two hours and a half the enemy ceased firing,
and as we afterwards discovered, fled with precipita-
tion. Their front was covered with high, thick fields
of sugar cane, which prevented our quickly
ascertaining their movements. We knew so little
about their strength and position, and it was getting so
late in evening, that it would have been the height of
imprudence for us to have attacked them with our
small forte when they ceased firing. Thus, in a few
hours, with a loss of only 80 killed and wounded on our
side, was the whole Seikh army repulsed. Our artillery
fired with the greatest precision. Every credit is due to
them. They committed ft arful havoc amongst the
enemy. The Seikhs have lost ten times as many men
killed and wounded. A wounded Seikh soldier just
picked up states that they lost nearly as many men as at
Ferozeshah. This immense loss on their side, while
ours is comparatively tliffing, is owing to the fact
that our guns were pei witted to silence theirs.
There was no charging with bayonets of awkward look-
ing batteries. Where you have good artillery why not
use it? This action, in which so much military skill
has been displayed, was fought near a village named
Soodalapore. This success was attended with great re-
sults, viz. :—driving the enemy away from the Ram-
nuggur ford, where they were opposite Lord
Gough's camp, and a royal salute of twenty-one guns,
with heavy guns, were fired by his Excellency in honour
of the affair. Sir Joseph had a narrow escape or two.
An orderly close to him was killed. One orderly officer
close behind him bad his horse wounded by the
were lying doyn, the staff; being niewited, attracted

the enemy's fire. Brigadier-General Campbell com-
manded the infantry, the brave old Brigadier
White the cavalry, and Cokeel Grant the ar-
tillery. Lord n
-oug-h _s tit itamr,:ggnr,
with General Glib! rt's division. Sir Joseph Tileckwell
commends the fore, s here. This is fourteen mil, s from
Loid Geugh's imsition. The enemy are only twelve
mihs from this. They have a ver/ strong position, co
vered with jungle. They have several regular regiments
that have been di illad by us. Their guns are manned
by experienced men. In Edwardes' actions there was
not one regular regiment opposed to him—nothilig but
raw levies. Since that time the whole Punjaub has
risen in insurrection, and several regular corps that
were in our pay have gone over to the enemy. They
were disciplined by our officers. These, being na-
turally brave, are formidable enemies. Their cavalry
are not to be feared. In a few days we may expect a
grand fight, but as yet nothit.g has been determined on.
It is said that Lord Guugh is awaiting instructions
from the Governor-General, who, according to acme
reports, was opposed to our' crossing the Chenab.
But here we are ; therefore we cannot retire
whilst the enemy is so close to us. We must push him
across the Jhelum river ; then it will te decent fer us to
cease operations. We all wish the Seikhs would come
down as boldly as they did on the memorable 3d of
December. Thackwell's force, since he has been re-

iniorced, consi3ts of four brigades of infantry, the 3d
and •.14th Dragoons, the 9th Lancers, the sth ' and
Bth Light Cavalry, and 31st Irregulars, with six troops
of Hulse Artillery, and three light field batteries.

GAMEKEEPER SHOT.—A gatne watcher, named
John Harrison, in the employment of the. Earl of Ripon,
and stationed at Hatton Moor, was found dead, from the
effects of a gunshot wound received in the breast, on the
25th ult. On that day the keeper returned from the
Ripon market soon after the middle of the day, got his
dinner, and afterwards, in the afternoon, went out with
his gun. In this perambulation he seems to have heard
that. a man answering the description of one blathers, a
great pest to the gamekeepers, had been seen in the
neighbourhood. Harrison, after he bad got some tea in
the evening with his wife, again went out between four
and five o'clock to take a round of inspection, having no
other weapon with him than a walking-stick, and he was
no more seen alive by any of his family. Being missed,
a search was commenced the next morning, and his
corpse was found lying in a plantation about a mile from
his own house, with a dreadful wound in his breast.
The body bore the appearance of having been dead for
some hours. A post mortem examination has since taken
place, from which it appears that the greatest part of a
charge of shot was found lodged in his lungs and the
immediate region of the heart. Some of the shot, it is
said, had even perforated the heart itself. blathers, who
is a labouring man from Boroughbridge, has been fully
' committed to York for trial, charged with wilful murder.
—Leeds Int,lligeneer.

SEVEN LIVES LOST.—lntelligence has been re-
ceived in this town this morning of au accident which has
occurred at Pillau of a most shocking nature, and by
which several families in this town have ben thro:‘ n into
a state of the greatest distress. Letters from Piilau of Jan.
24 state that Mr. Tucker, master of the Whim, Mr. Ru-
berth Nuthard, master of the Garnet, with two foreign
gentlemen, and three of the crew of the Whim, were,out
shooting in the boat belonging to the Whim. From
some cause, unexplained by any letters we have seen,
the boat was upset in the surf, and all in her were pre-
cipitated into the water. We are sorry to have to add
that not one escaped. This event has thrown consider-
able gloom over the town, and is of course felt most
keenly by all those connected with the ch ceased. The
vessels, we believe, were entering at
Packet.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF COMMONS, Feb. 5.
SESSIONAL ORDERS.

(Continued from our Third Edition of last night.)

Tho resolution was then put and carried.
Sir EDWARD WILLOUGHBY really thnught there
should be some limit to the time occupied iu the dis-
cussion of questions by individual Members, especially
when he recollected how much time was occupied in
fruitle6s observation:,, and that a great portion of the
business of the House WAS transacted between the
hours of twelve a,:cl two. Ile well remembered the
case of a Bill with a hundred clauses, which paksed
through Committee in what appeared not to be more
than ten minutes.

Mr. EWART thought that the Government ought to
have power to order the taking of their own motions,
with a certain restriction as to the interest of the other
Members.

Mr. G OULBURN thought that the order ought to
be altdgether left out.
Sir G. GREY said that this resolution was simply
similar to that of last year, from which no inconvenience
whatever had been found to arise.

•
Mr. HUME conceived that some regulation should be
made by the Government for the greater expediting of
the public busintss. He thought, for instance, that the
Government ought to be prepared with theii Bills, and
a day ought to be fixed after which they should have no
right to introduce a Government measure. He
believed that much of the defective legislation
by which the statute-books were disfigurtd and
which bad caused much dlssatisfation, was owing to
the late period of the session at which these Bills were
introduced. The Hous,3 was in fact taken by surprise,
and he thcught that the Government ought
to take into consideration all the measures
which they intended at all events to push
through, and to lay them on the table at an early pe-
riod of the session. lie felt quite assured that such
a mode of proceeding would tend miverially to expedite
public business.

Sir R. PEEL conceived a great disadvantage would
arise by the institution of any such rule. There was, in
the first place, the great probability, that from unfore-
seen contingencies the rule would have to be set aside.
Say that the Ist March should be the day,
who could say what might arise before the
time of the dissolution? ne thought, too, that a great
disadvantage would arise from laying a great number
of Bills on the table at once. Such a mass of legislation
would prove a great inconvenience, cud tend to a greater
deficiency than that which ensued from the present plan.

Mr. 11-UNIE did not care whether it was the Ist o'
March or the Ist of July, all he contended for was that
a certain time should be appointed, beyond which Go-
vernment Bills should not be introduced.

The 4th resolution was passed after a few observe
tions.

On the sth resolution being proposed, which
was to the effect that the House should meet on
Wednesday, at twelve o'clock, for the purpose of private
business and
,orders of the day,
Mr. LAW moved, as an amendment, to except such
Bills being considered on that day as involved the repeal
of public statutes.
Colonel SIBTHORP seconded the amendment. He
thought Wednesdays were generally selected by the
Government to smuggle in Bills and vote away impro-
perly the public money in a House consisting often
of not more tha❑ twelve or thirteen Members.—(A
laugh.)
Mr. EWART could not see how the Recorder's pro-
position could be adopted without going further.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL proposed an amendment
to the resolution, to insert notices of motion after orders
of the day.
The Noble Lord's amendment was agreed, to, and the
Recorder's negatived without a division.
The 6th resolution was also agreed to without any
comment.

The 7th and Bth resolutions were carried without any
discussion.

Upon the 9th resolution being proposed—that when a
Bill shall be presented by any Member, or shall be
brought down from the Lords, the question, " that this
Bill he read a first time," and "that this Bill be printed,"
shall be decided without amendment or debate, _ _

Mr. VERNON SMITH said that these resolutions
proposed to alter many old forms and stages of prop ceding,
but did not deal with the protracted dist ussions which were
the subject of so much' complaint. He wished that they
should diminish the number of discussions and re-dis-
cussions upon Bills, but not to alter the stages of the Bill.
He thought one of the most expedient modes for facili-
tating business would be to adopt the suggestion of an
Hon. Member, for no adjournment of the debate to be
permitted, unless the motion was moved and seconded,
and unless 21 Members stood up and said " aye " in
favour of the adjournment. He did not offer this sug-
gestion as the very best mode that could be devised ; he
only referred to it as :affording a means of expedition far
beyond those which would be effected by the proposed
resolutions. He wished to know, if the resolution were
carried, whether it would be competent to have a division
on any Bill when brought forward?

Mr: BROTHERTOR said, if the House would adopt
the suggestion which he had furnished to his lion.
Friend, he would propose it at once.
Mr. DRUM MOND considered this was the only place
where monster meetings were permitted, and where
individuals were obliged to listen to matters which they
were not disposed to hear.—(Laughter.) With re-
gard to the forms of legislation, he would
just ask what was the use or meaning of
debating the Queen's Speeches ? They had been
summoned together last Thursday to debate something,
but he wanted to know what practical good had resulted
from the two nights' discussion which had taken place?
(Hear.) He conceived that one of the principal duties
of Members of that House was to audit the public ac-
counts, and it was this duty which, in his opinion, de-
manded the utmost latitude of debate.
After a few remarks in a low tone of voice from Lord
J. RUSSELL,

Mr. W ALPOLE would suggest the expediency of
going back to the old practice of the standing orders—
namely, that of not allowing any public Bill to be pre-
sented to the House, unless it had been lift three days
with the Clerk of the House.
Mr. GOULBURN said the Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber, he believed, had misunderstood the order in ques-
tion. If the proposition were adopted he was afraid it
would lead to protracted discussion at the early stages
of the Bills.

Sir R. INGLIS thought his Hon. and Learned Friend
only intended that Hun. Mt mbers should give a little
more attention to the construction of their own legisla-
tion, for it was the crude state in which Bills were
broght forward that often caused so much needless
delay.
The resolution was agreed to, as were the 10th, 11th,
and 12th, with trifling verbal amendments.
The 13th resolution having - been put by the
SPEAKER,

" That with respect to any Bill brought to this House
from the House of Lords, or returned by the House of
Lord 3 to this House with amendments, whereby any
pecuniary penalty, forfeiture, or fee shall be authorised,
imposed, appropriated, regulated, varied, or extinguished,
this House will not Esist on its ancient and undoubted
privilages in the following cases:-
66 1. when the object of such pecuniary penalty or

for( iture is to secure thn execution of the Act, cr tha
puLishinent or prevunoon

suet' fees are imposed in respect of benefit
_ service rendered nutlet- the Act, and in order tt
xt'eution of the Act., and aze not made pa3able itit4
.;:nry or Excht:cpier, or in aid of the public re.
venue, anti do not form the ground of public accounting
by the parties receiving the same, either in respect of
defic t to surplus.
“3. Wlitn such Bill shall he a private Bill for a local
or personal Act."

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Sir R. ING LIS said, that before the Speaker pro.
ceeded to put the question, he wished to draw attention
to an amendment which he should propose—he referred
to the resolution as adopted by the Committee of 17th
July, which he should move should be inserted. The
House weuld recollect that they had the fact on .the
Speaker's own high authority, that the House was per-
petually waiving its privileges in respect -to Bills which
were brought up from the other House. He thought, that
considering the truth of the statement made by his Right
Hon. Friend the Member for Northampton, that great
interest had been excited abroad in reference to the mode
of conducting public buSiness—that the way in which it
was conducted had excited great dissatisfaction, and
excited a feeling almost of indignation, as to what was
called the vasty of the public time—he thought it very
desirable that they should give the other House of
Parliament an opportunity of introducing Bills, even
though some of the provisions of the Bills might seem
to trench on the privileges of the House of Commons.
The Speaker had stated before the Select Committee a
number of cases in Ns hich they were compelled to waive
their privileges; and it would be better to allow the
other House to interfere with the money privileges, so
long as they did not defect the general burdens of the
State or the public service- It must bo quite obvious
that such money clauses must only be applicable to pri-
vate and personal Acts. The Hon. Baronet concluded
by proposing words providing that such moneys should
only apply to caws of local property, or purposes not
affecting the general burdens of the State. He proposed
this as a part of the Isesdonal orders which the House
was about to adopt.
The amendment having been put,
Mr. 'HUME recollected that a long discussion had
taken place before. the Select Committee on the propriety
of rescinding this resolution, and many objeCtions were
urged to such a course of proceeding. Many objections
were raised to the resolution proposed by his Hon.
Friend below him (Sir R. Inglis).- For his own part,
he thought the House ought not hastily to pass a reso-
lution which Hon. Gentlemen must recollect involved
questions of the taxation of the public to a considerable
extent. He hoped his Hon. Friend would postpone his
resolution for the present.

Lord J. RUSSELL said that when this question first
came berore the Committee, he thought the resolution
proposed by his Hon. Friend would not be objectionable;
but the more it was sifted and t xamined, the more diffi-
cult it became for the Committee to recommend its
adoption to the House. For instance, the House of
Lords might, in respect to some Bills, propose to intro-
duce taxes, which, though they appeared applicable only
to local objec.s, and not to the general service of the
country, would tax the community in a manner not con-
templated. Suppose a case occurring in Scotland, where

moneys were raised for building schools, and those schools
were confined to certain si cts, or to Church purposes ex-
clusively, that case might involve a considerable tax,
which would excite great opposition.
Sir R. INGLIS said he was ready, with the leave of
the House, to withdraw his amendment.

Resolution as originally proposed agreed to.
The SPEAKER having put the 14th resolution—
" That after Tuesday, the Ist day of May next, orders
o' the day shall have precedence of notices of motions on
Thursdays, the right being reserved to her Majesty's
Ministers of placing Government orders at the head of
the list, as on Mondays and Fridays."
Mr. HENRIES said this resolution was one which
was distinct from those which had preceded it. It was
proposed on the part of her Majesty's Government to
invite the House at this early period to declare that on
and after the Ist of May the power of giving notices of
motions should be surrendered to her Majesty's Govern-
ment. Now he thought there was great objection to this.
When, indeed, the state of the public business should be
such as to show the propriety of this step, then it would
be time to adopt the suggestion made. He thought her
Majesty's Government were asking too much, and he
wou d put it to the House whether it would not be better
in this, as they had done in former sessions, to leave the
master to the discretion of Parliament.

Lord J. RUSSELL begged leave again to call the
attention of the House to the very great changes which
had taken place in the mode of conducting business in
that House. In the beginning of this century no
liminess whatever had precedence of orders of the
day. It would be found that then, on Monday, Tues-
day, Thursday, and Friday, the Government could
take any orders they pleased; and it was only now
and then that notices of motions interfered with
Government business. But it was afterwards found that
the notices of motions reached so far that it was no
longer possible to carry on the business as it had been
conducted, and the House appropriated Mondays and
Fridays, allowing the Government to have precedence ;
but since that was done, fur the purpose chiefly of Com-
mittees of Supply, and such Bills as were then intro•
duced, there had been still a greater change in the
mode of conducting Bills in that House. Thus, when
measures of importance were brought in, whatever
might be. the Government in office, it was the general
opinion that if there were to be legislation on any great
subject it should be undertaken by the Government,
and that individual Members had nothing else to do
than to approve or to criticise the merits of such
measures. That being the case, the House
enabled the Government to introduce 'the estimates,
and the supplies for the year ; and not only this,
but they allowed them to introduce all Bills of
importance. This, then, was not a fair distribution of
t•-ai business. It was not fair that the Government
should have only two days, and individual Members
three days; or rather, in other words, the Government
should have eight days in the course of a month, and
other Members twelve days!—(Hear.) He thought,
therefore, that either by some resolution of this kind at
the early period of the session, or else at some future
period of the session—by giving up the Thursday to the
Government—the House would give a more equal distri-
bution of the time to those who had to conduct Govern-
ment business. It was necessary that the Bills sent up
from the other House should be sufficiently early. Ho
thought it would be found that the Government business

would not make due progress while only two days were
allowed to the Government, and that it would be for the
public convenience generally to make some difference in
the present arrangement. At the same time, by print-
ing this resolution he did not wish to press it now, if the
Right Ben. Gentkman thought it would be better to
postpone it till a future time; but would leave it to the
House when the time came on, when he should again
bring forward the subject, and ask the House to consent
to his proposition. He did not wish to take the House
by surprise, and would withdraw the resolution.

Mr. M. GIBSON said this, he believed, was the time
to make a proposition for regulating the length of
speeches of Hon. Members in debate, and he wished to
submit to the House a most moderate proposal—it was a
novelty! He did not seek to limit the speeches to half
an hour even, though be thought forty minutes was
sufficient, but he proposed one hour as the commence-
ment of the system. He begged to move as an addition
to the last resolution the following words :—" And with
a view to the dispatch of public business, that the
speeches of Hon. Members be limited to one hour each;
but this rule shall not apply to those who may introduce
an original motion, or to a Minister of the Crown speak-
ing in reply."
The SPEAKER—Does the Hon. Gentleman object to
the Noble Lord withdrawing his proposition ?—(Hear.)
Mr. GIBSON—No.
Resolution withdrawn.

Mr. GIBSON said that perhaps the House won'd
raise no obj, etion to his moving his resolution as a sub-
stantive proposition. He was aware that this was rather
irregular, but as the subject was before the House it
would be better to discuss it at once.
Question put.
Mr. HORSMAN said they had a great deal of hurried
legislati..an in that House, and the result was that many
Acts got into the statute-book in a very imperfect and
cruel state. In the last session 49 Bills were read a first
time after the Ist of August, and between 70 and 80
were read a third time in August. He could not see the
validity of the objection of the Right Hon. Gentleman
opposite to imposing a restriction upon the days on which
Bills should p iss a certain stage.
The qbestion " that the motion be withdraws," hav-
ing been put,
Mr. M. GIBSON said he would move his amendment
in such a way as to enable the House to divide on it as a
new proposition. He, therefore, moved the omission of
all the words after the word " That" in the original mo-
tion, fur the purpose of inserting the following :—" the
speeches be limited to one hour, but that this rule do
not apply to those who may introduce original motions,
or to a Minister of the Crown speaking in reply."
Mr. COBDEN seconded the amendment.
The of ig,inal words having been negatived,
The SPEAKER put the motion as proposed by Mr.
Gibson.

Lord J. RUSSELL said, that when the matter was
fully discussed in Committee, the majority certainly
thought it would be inconvenient to introduce any such
rule. He admitted that the time might come when some
limitation would be necr s<ary, but he thought it would
be a great sacrifice of the public convenience. He did
not think it would be fair to say that a Minister of the
Crown, or a Member opening a certain question, should
be allowed to exceed the hour. Suppose the case of an
individual Member introducing a question alleging cri
minality against some Member then in office, or having
lately left office, or against any other Member, would it
be fair that the mover should go through the whole con-
duct of a public board, extending over a very long period
of time, and insisting upon his charges with every ad-
vantage of eloquence he might possess, and then, that
the person accused should not be at liberty to occupy an
equal length of time in defending himself ?---(Hear.)
He did not see how it was possible to make a definition
calculated to do justice to all parties. It would be a
better rule to confine all parties to one hour than to
allow any exception.—(clear, hear.) But, he begged to
submit to the House, what a loss it would have been on
many occasions when a great subject was to be opened—
+ n a great financial plan was to be developed—when
a considerable change was to be proposed in the consti-
tution of the country, if the Member making the propo-
sition should not have been allowed more than an hour.
—(Hear, hear.) Unless they were to limit everybody
to an hour they would hardly do justice to the indivi-
dual; and if they did limit every Member to an hour,
they would hardly do justice to the subject..—(Hear,
hear.) It was possible that such a resolution might be-
come desirable, but he trusted that the discretion of the
House would render any such step altogether unneces-
sarv.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. TYNTE said that if that valuable body of gen-
tlemen to whom the country were so much Indebted