The Sun.
London, England, 1831-06-28 00:00:00

IRISH YEOMANRY.

On the motion for 189,503/. 19s. for defraying the
charge of the Yeomanry and Volunteer Corps fur Great
Britain and Ireland, _

Mr. O'CONNELL observed that the present Govern-
ment had involved itself in an error in reviving the Yeo-
manry Corps in Ireland. The Yeomanry was kept on foot
for party purposes. Thus, in the small county of Ferma-
nagh, with only a population of 130,000, there were
2,000 yeomanry; while in all Munster, with a population
of 1,900,000, there was only about an equal number, or
2,000. He had, on a former occasion, objected to the
continuance of this force, and had received, not a pledge
indeed, but an understanding from the Government, that
it should be gradually discontinued. if the Administra-
tion had not been changed, that understanding would, he
believed, have been adhered to ; but the new Government
thought that it would be a good force, he supposed, to put
down a popular cause ; that it would strengthen the Go-
vernment. He would rather see the King's troops in-
creased, which in Ireland had always done their duty, and
nothing but their duty. It appeared from returns which
he had laid on the table, that four times more men fell by
the police than by the executioner. Thus four times more
men were shot to punish riots, than to punish all other
crimes. The land was red with blood spilled by the police.
Let them look to the case of Castle Pollard; there ten
men were slaughtered, because, as the police said, they
were assailed by stones on going to their barracks,
but it was stated by the nephew of the Earl of
Fingal, Mr. Dease, that the police were animated by
party feeling. To this police the yeomanry were only
a supplementary force. He suppcised that one reason
for keeping up the yeomanry was, that it was con-
sidered that this force was opposed to the repeal of the
Union; but that was not necessary. The consequencte
Was now evident. That at Newtownbarry their want of
discipline had caused the shedding of blood, there could
be no doubt. He had seen the letter of a magistrate who
had sat on the investigation, which placed it beyond a
doubt, that among this body there was a readiness to shed
blood, and a want of discipline. The yeomanry ought not,

therefore, on any account to be encouraged ; and if the
Government wanted to keep up bad feeling., it could not
fall on a better method tlasu to keep up this force. Thre:i.
out of four of the districts of Ireland were unanimous

against it. He called on the Irish Members to remember
that they were bound to their constituency to stand by
him in resisting this vote.—(llea.r.) There was not one
Member who had a liberal constituency who was not
pledged to resist it. The people recollected that force, as
connected with the civil war which had been superinduced

to extinguish the Irish Legislature. If the Government
wanted to increase the force—friend as he was of economy
he would readily assent to any increase the Government
alight think necessary of the King's troops. He could not
tell the House with what disgust and abhorrence exciting
to resistance the yeomanry corps were held in by the people
of Ireland. The privates of the yeomanry were not men
of property, as w4l supposed, and even the officers were
not one in a hundred men of independent circumstances.—
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disturbance; they had an interest against tranquillity.--
(No, no.) Gentlemen cried no He spoke only of Con-
naught,lfilunaer, and Leinster. The yeomanry of the
North were officered by gentlemen. In his own county
the Captain of one corps was an insolvent, and had been
lately whitewashed ; and what chance had such a man
except of being whitewashed again, unless there were dis-
turbances ? He would move to reduce the vote by the
sum of 19.2911. the suns allowed for the yeomanry of
Ireland. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman concluded by
moving that instead of 189,8031., 170,512/. be substituted.
Mr. STANLEY could not approve of the judgment
and taste of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman in calling
upon the Irish Members to support him, reminding them
of their constituency and free election., t.) induce them to
support him in his proposition to diminish this grant.
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman might have spared this
appeal to the Irish Gentlemen, and his imputations on the
yeomanry particularly, when he stated that he knew no-
thing of that part of Ireland to which five-sixths of the
yeomanry belonged. He did not deny the yeomanry might
be tinctured by party feelings. In Munster he believed
they had exhibited such feelings, but he did nut think the
Hon. and Learned Member had exercised much discretion
in referring to the subject. He concurred entirely in the
encomiums the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had passed
on the King's troops, who, under circumstances of great
difficulty and embarrassment, more particularly in per-
forming the important duties which devolved on them in
consequence of the d:sturbed state of the counties of Clare,
Galway, and Roscommon, had exhibited qualities which
would reflect honour on any soldiery, and had done their
duty in a manner which deserved the warmest thanks and
the gratitude of all the lovers of peace and good order.—
( Hear, hear.) He could not approve of that want of de-
lie,ey—he had almost said of the want of feeling of ho-
nesty--in the lion. and Learned Gentleman, which made
him bring before the House, and expose to the passions of
the
Home—not to their judgment—two unfortunate
affairs which the Police and the Yeomanry had had with
the multitude. In one case there were 21 persons await-
ing a verdict that might assign them to death. In the
other, the Coroner's Inquest was yet sitting on the
bodies, and lie had no official information that a
verdict had. yet been given.—(Mr. O'Connell said
cofnosridtetrieati)o,enomtoantrlyie.se
They could
ewohuledn anovtotyeeltvafsorpurlo:
it was impossible.) If no verdict had been
found, that
. made. it peculiarly inexpedient and unjust to
diawedment on these cases. With regard to the police, he
"believe,' that they had behaved with the greatest temper,
and be was sure that it was impossible to do without son e
civil force like the police. He did not w;sh to revive un-
pleasant recollections, but he was sure that the state of Ireland
was such, that the Government had no chance but to rely
on the loyalty, the tried loyalty of the yeomanry of Ire-
land. The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by declaring
that be should resist the amendment of the Hon. anti
Learned Gentleman.
Mr. O'CONNELL would withdraw his amendment, if
the Government would give him an understanding that

there should be no increase of the yeomanry. As this
was only the usual vote, he would not press his amendment.
Lord A LTHORP declined to give any such under-
standing.

Sir W. STRICKLAND at any future period would
gladly vote for the reduction of the yeomanry; but at this
'moment, he hoped the Hun. Member woull not persevere

in his motion.
Mr. O'CONNELL expressed his assent to this ree.nm-
tnendation ; but he wished to know if any increase of the
yeomanry in Ireland was in contemplation ; or if any
other vote than the present would he proposed for Ireland ?
Mr. STANLEY had no hesitation in saying, that there
was not any intention to increase the number of yeomanry

of Ireland.
Colonel PERCIVAL defended the conduct of the yeo-
manry of Ireland, who were, in his opinion, entitled to
the praise of having preserved the peace of the kingdom.
Colonel EVANS, although he did not approve of the
Yeomanry as a military, yet (lid not think that Ireland was
in a condition to have them altogether and suddenly sup-
pressed. He was of opinion, however, that it would be
much more economic•d to employ the regular army in pre-
►erving the peace of that country, and to diminish the
yeomanry corps as speedily and as extensively as they
could, without giving offence.
Mr. CONNOLLY defended the conduct of the yeo-
manry and police. ta.
Mr. LEFROY, jun. reminded -the House that there
were only two cases within a very long period in which
there could be founded the slightest charge against the
conduct of the yeomanry. These were the affairs of
Castlepollard and Newtownbarry ; and he must say, he
agreed with the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland in
thinking that it was very bad taste on the part of the
Hon. Member for Kerry (Mr. O'Connell) to allude to them
as he had done on the present occasion, when the acts at-
tributed to the police and yeomanry were not authenticated
by evidence before any regular tribunal.—(Hear, hear.)
A MEMBER, who spoke from beneath the gallery, said,
there were, he understood, 23,000 yeomanry in the north
of Ireland, and 2,000 in Munster. Now he should be
glad to know where they were to find regular troops to
supply their place if the yeomanry were disbanded ?
Mr. HUME Paid, they had hitherto been on the subject
of the Irish yeomanry : he now wished to draw their at-
tention to the English. What need was there in this
country for a large yeomanry force to be kept up at a great
expense? How much better would it not be to have a
Burgher Guard?—(Shouts of laughter.) He repeated it
—(Laughtet)--a Burgher Guard that would serve with-
out pay, instead of yeomanry corps which cost the country
170,0001. for their pay and expenses.—(Cries of " No,
no.") He said yes, yes.—(A laugh.) There it was on
the estimates, and let any one who understood figures look
at it and say no if they could.—(Hear, hear.) He would
not embarrass the Government by opposing the vote, but
be hoped that it would be the last required for the same
purpose.
The Marquis of CHANDOS could not allow the vote
to pass without protesting against the language used by the
Hon. 'Member respecting the yeomanry of England. They
were the most useful as well as the most constitutional

force the country could employ. He had the honour to
command a troop of yeomanry in bis county.
Mr. HUME could only say, i❑ reply to the Noble Mar-
quis, that when he last moved fur a return of the sum ex-
pended on yeomanry corps, he found the Noble Marquis
and his troop had a part of it.
Mr. HUNT differed from the Noble Marquis as to the
efficiency of the yeomanly. On a recent occasion, in
Wales, it was well known that one-half of a troop which
came put down a riot was disarmed by the mob, and
that the other half ran away.—(A laugh, and hear.) He
said this without meaning any personal offence.—(A

laugh.) He knew none of the officers; but there was no
doubt the corps had been of no service there, and he be-
lieved they would, from other reasons, be of no service
elsewhere. He stated nothing but what he could prove.
He knew something of yeomanry corps of old. He had
been present when whole troops had ran away.—(A laugh.)
This was during the war, and he repeated, he thought
they were the worst kind of force that could be employed
to preserve the peace of the country.
Lord ALTHORP had no connection with any volun-
teer or yeomanry corps, but he had seen a good dell of
them in the course of his life, and he must say, he believed
the description given of them by the Member for Preston,
to be incorrect.

Mr. R. GORDON said, it would be a curious thing to

look into the debates on every estimate for the last fifty
years, and to observe how much opinions had changed.
At that time patriots as good as the Member for Middle-
sex, or the Member for Preston, thought the only Con-
stitutional force was a yeomanry or militia, and now it
would appear they were all for die employment of a stand-
ing army.
Mr. HUNT read a paragraph from a Sunday Paper, in
_ .

which the writer stated that he had seen a gentleman
from the neighbourhood of Sittinghourne, in Kent, who
assured him that the farmers were under great apprehen-
sion of the renewal of the burnings of last year—(Cries of
no, no.) With respect to the yeomanry, he was really at
a loss to understand on what ground they were so admir-
able a force as some Lion. Gentlemen seemed to consider
them.—(Coughing.) He bad been sent to the House by
the people, and he had a right to be heard—(Loud and
continued coughing.) It would better become any Hon.
Member to try to answer him than to endeavour to put him
down in that manner.
Mr. TREVOR was persuaded that the yeomanry would
be by far the most efficient force that could be resorted to
in a time of danger ; and expressed the indignation with
which he had heard them depreciated by the Hon. Mem-
bers for Preston and Middlesex.
Mr. Alderman THOMPSON said, that although he
certainly was unable to bear testimony to the good conduct
of the Glamorganshire yeomanry, their officers had shown
the greatest zeal and courage. He was certainly of opinion
that it would be better to spend the money which it was
proposed to vote fur the yeomanry on a regular force.
Mr. G. LAMB should have great confidence in the
English yeomanry, if any necessity were to arise for their
exertions.
An HoN. MEMBER, whose name we were unable to
learn, eulogised the character and conduct of the yeomanry
in Scotland, especially in 1820.
Mr. S. RICE defended the conduct of the Ministry by
whom the disembodying of the yeomanry had been carried
into effect.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY reprobated the unjustifiable lan-
guage used by some Hon. Members with reference to the
yeomanry of England. It was a force admirably calcu-
lated to repress the tumults excited by the bad advice of
those who had too touch the ear of the people.—(Hear.)
To his knowledge, the whole country was highly indebted
to the yeomanry of the North of England for their recent
efforts in maintaining public tranquillity.
Major PETRE spoke highly of the conduct of the
yeomanry of Yorkshire.
After a few words from Mr. HUNT, the amendment
was withdrawn, and the original resolution agreed to.
Resolutions for granting 135,0001. for the pay of
General Officers, not being Colonels of Regiments, and
95,3991. for the pay of retired and unattached Officers,
were also agreed to.
On the resolution for granting 697,800/. for half-pay
and military allowances for retired Officers,
Sir 11. HARDINGE expressed his hope that before the
Appropriation Act was brought forward, the ease of the
half-pay Officers would be taken into consideration with a
view to some amelioration of their condition. The Corn.
tnittee of 1828 bad recommended the employment of the
half-pay Officers in civil occupations. He trusted this re-
commendation would be attended to. He knew many
crippledßaroiby
Baronet would bring 01,:peficdertshteeoRmiguhcthlion.militaryfwurard
someduty
but quite competent to the discharge of a civil office. Ile
plan having this object in view ; if not, he would do so
himself.
Mr. HUME thought that military men, after long ser-
vice, became very incompetent for civil situations. He
wished to know what was the rule with respect to pro-
motions in the army, and how the vacancies were filled up,
whether from the half-pay or not ?
Sir H. PARNELL said there was no fixed rule on the
subject.—Vote agreed to.
A sum of 91,300/. was voted for half-pay to Officers
of Standing Foreign Corps, and for allowances to their
widows and children.
A sum of 27,1741. was agreed to fur allowances to
reduced Local Militia Adjutants and Serjeant-Majors of
Yeomanry.
147,778 were voted for pensions to the Widows of
Officers, for 1831.
..120,6141. were voted for allowances for compensation
in the list of Royal Bounties.
On the motion for a grant of 1,335,986/. for Chelsea
and Kilmainhum Hospitals,
Sir 11. lIARDINGE wished to call the attention of the
•te to a-matter of some Right lion. lion. Baronet opposite
auce. He understood that a great number of officers had
made a commutation of their half-pay to become colonial
settlers, and that under this arrangement they had received
three or four years"iaff-pay ; but this money had not been
paid
to them under circumstances that would ensure their
going out. If that Were the case, the whole of the object
of the arrangement would be defeated, and these men would
have come upon their parishes for support. lie understood
that '7 or 800 men iu Ireland were in the lame situation.

The case with respect to them was still stronger than with
respect to the half-pay officers of England ; for the latt• r
could have their parishes to resort to, but the former would
be without that support. He thought that some caution
ought to be used on this matter, and that, for the protec-
tion of these soldiers, the Right Hon. Secret try ought to
refuse to allow them to make the commutation, unless they
actually went abroad, as settlers, nor to make it after they
were 45 years of age. If the new regulations were well
acted upon, he was quite sure that the Peniion List might
be reduced 200,0001. within the space of 10 years. The
Right Hon. Baronet ought to stand between the soldier and
the public for the protection of both.

Sir. H. PARNELL said that no commutation had been
yet agreed to but what he found commenced and in pro-
gress when he took office. New regulations were in pre-
paration, and he assured the Gallant Officer that he was
quite willing to act in the character which the Gallant
Officer had recommended him to assume.
After a few words from Colonel SIBMORPE the vote
was agreed to.-35,3601. were voted for Superannuation
Allowances.

O❑ the motion that tLe CliAlamAx should report these
resolutions to the House,

Mr. GORDON would take that or partunity of ob-
serving upon some complication of accounts in the office
of Vice-Treasurer of Ireland. It had not taken place
during the time that Mr. M. Fitzgerald was in office; but
he understood that this confusion did exist, and that it
extended for some time back. He wished to know if this
report was true ; if any loss had occurred, and what steps
had been taken to recover it ?
Lord ALTHORP said that the accounts of the former
Vice-Treasurer hal not been made up till lately. They
had recently been presented, and were now under the con-
sideration of the Auditors.

Mr. GORDON observed, that it was then true that ti e
accounts had been unsettled for years.
Mr. RICE admitted that to be the fact ; but said it was
not the fault of the late Board of Treasury, who had often
pressed for the accounts.

Mr. HUME wished to know what was the arronit of
money unaccounted for?

Mr. RICE could not tell till the accounts hal be. n
audited.

Mr. GORDON blamed the delay of the late Government.

Mr. HUME said the blame was still the more when it •
was considered that this same person had been recently ap-
pointed to the government of a colony. That appoint-
ment particularly ought to be inquired into.
Sir J. NVROTTESLEY thought the late Chancellor of
the Exchequer ought-to give some explanation upon the
subject. He wished also to know who had recommended
this officer to his appointment abroad ?
Mr. GOULBURN said it was difficult to give any
explanation when he was not in the possession of official
documents.

Mr. O'CONNELL observed that this case was a had
one. The officer in question had had a salary of 2,000/.
a year, and it seemed that for five years he had been
permitted to receive 10,000/. a year of the public money
without accounting for it.
The House resumed, and the report was ordered to be
brought up to-morrow, and the Committee was ordered to
sit again on Wednesday.

The Bill for the New Street from Waterloo-bridge was
read a second time.

Mr. STANLEY gave notice that on Friday next he
would move for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the
Importation of Arms into Ireland, and the Possession of
Arms in Ireland. He also gave notice that on Monday
he would bring in a Bill to amend the Representation of
Ireland.

Lord ALTHORP moved for leave to bring in a Bill to
prohibit the Growth of Tobacco in Ireland. The Noble
Lord also moved for leave to bring in a Bill to reduce the
Salary of his 'Majesty's Master of the Mint.
Papers relating to the cholera morbus were laid upon
the table.
The House adjourned at a Quarter-past One.

DESCRIPTION of the CHOLERA in RUSSIA.

(From the London Medical Gazette for June2s.)

We have procured Sir W. Crichton's account of the
disease, which is as follows :
" General uneasiness ; violent headache and giddiness ;
great languor ; oppression at the chest ; pa'n at the pit
of the stomach and sides; a very weak puke and frequent
vomiting, first of undigested food, and then of a watery fluid
mixed with phlegm ; frequent purging ; severe pains ;
cessation, or very scanty secretion, of urine ; excessive
thirst ; cramps in the legs, beginning at the toes, and by
degrees reaching the body ; voice feeble and hoarse; eyes
dull, and sunk in the be al; the features changed ants like
those of a corpse ; coldness, contraction, and bluish tinge
of extremities; coldness over the who's body, the lips and
tongue becoming blue; cold and clammy perspiration.
The vomiting and purging soon exhaust the patient ;
.the
spasms become greater, attacking the most vital parts ; the
pulse ceases ; the beating of the heart becomes scarcely
sensible ; and the patient, after suffering the most horrid
martyrdom, dies quietly, having a few moments' ease just
before his end. The duration of this malady is generally
from twenty-four to twenty-eight hours; but sometimes
its course is still more rapid."

SECOND EDITION.
SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock.

rHE LONDON GAZETTE

OF THIS EVENING.

War Mae, June 1831.
4th Regiment of Light Dragoons—R. Knox, Gent. to be Cor-
net, by purchase, vice 31' Donogh, appointed to the 10th Light
Dragoons, dated June 1831.
10th Light Dragoons—Cornet Hon. Peray Moreton, to be Lou-
t ,nant, by purchse, vice Sunman, whe retires; Cornet M.
M.Donogh, from the 4th Light dragoons, to be Cornet and
Ridingmaster, vice Moreton, June
9th Regiment of Foot—Captain W. S. Dalton, from the half-
pay, to be Captain, vice P. R. M. Browne, who exchanges re-
ceiving the difference, June 28.
98th Foot—Lieut. F. B. Russell, from the 99th Foot, to he
Leutenant, vice Griffith, who exchanges, June 2S.
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38th Fool—Lieut. and WartermasterC..lVilles, from the 50th
Foot, to be Lieutenant, Vice Ware, appointed Paymaster of the
49th Foot, June 28.
46th Foot—Capt. It. Ellis, from the half-pay, to be Captain,
vice W. Campbell, who exchanges, receiving the dit*rence,
June 28.

47th Foot—Captain P. Dundas to be Major, by purchase, vice
Jeukin, who retires; Lieut C. Thursby to be Captatn, by pur-
chase, vi:te Dundas; Ensign R. Allan to be Lieutenant, by pur-
chase, vice Thursby • H. Tollemache, Gent., to be Ensign, by
purchase, vice Allan, 18.
49th Foot—Lieut. H. Ware, from the tlSth Foot, to be Pay.
master, vice Brook, deceased, June 28.
50th Foot—Lieut. 'l'. Freer, from half-pay 63d Foot, to be
Quartermaster, vice Willes, appointed to the:3Bth Foot, June a 3.
69th Foot—Lieut. W. C. Caldwell, from half-pay OOth Fout, to
be Lieutenant, vice A. H. Hull, who exchanges, June t-ki.
99th Foot—Lieut. J. Griffith, from the 23th Foot, to be Lieu.
tenant, vice Russell, who exchanges, June '2B.

BREVE'!'.
Captain A. Irvine, of the Bengal Engineers, to be Major in
the East Indies only, for distinguished services in the field,
June

DECLARATIONS OF INSOLVENCY.

FRANCISWYArr,CIifton, Gloucester, livery stable-keeper.
JOHN GOODE, Wilderness-row, St. John-street, Clerken.
well, engineer.
DAVID SHARP, Mahlon, Essex, cattle-dealer.
JOHN HUDSON, Norton, Leicester, grocer.
BANKRUPTCY ENLARGED. .

JOHN WILSON and STEPHEN L'ILLEY MAN, Gold.
smith -street, silkman, from July I to August 19, at twelve at the
Court of Commissioners.
BANKRUPTS.

THOMAS METCALFE MOSES, Stockton-upon-Tees,
Durham, to surrender July 8, Aug. 2, and 9, at eleven, at the
King's Arms, Durham. Taylor, Clement's Inn; Marshall,
Durham.
DANIEL BEAUMONT PAYNE, HENRY HOPE, and
GEORGE HULBERT HOPE, Wells, Somersetshire, bankers,
July 9, 12, at nine, and August 9, at two, at the Swan Hotel,
Wells. Dyne, Lincoln's-inn-fields, London ; Brookes, Wells.
JOHN PALMER, Constitution-hill,
Birmingham, scriviner,
July 7. 8, at twelve, and Aug. 9, at three, at the Union Inn,
Birmingham. Home, Frampton, anp Loftus, New Inn, Loudon;
Parker, Birmingham.
HA RR' ET 'l'A PPER, Titchfleld, innkeeper, July 8, at twelve,
,
9, at ten, and August 9, at three, at the Bugle Inn. Hohne,
Frampton, and Loftus, New Inn, London ; Paddon, Farcham;
Southampton.
JOHN LOW OVERTON Leamington-Priors, Warwickshire,
builder, July 11, at seven, at the office of Mr. S. Haynes, Leam-
ington-Priors, 12, and August 9, at twelve, at the Swan Hotel,
Warwick. Sharpe and :Field, Old Jewry, London; Mr. S. W.
Haynes, Warwick.
WILLIAM PAVIISON, Wetherby, York, spirit-merchant,
July 8,9, at four, and August 9, at eleven, at the Angel Inn,
Wetherby. B.atye, Fisher, and Sudlow, Chancery-lane; Baillic,
Tadcaster.
JOSEPII PHILLIPS, Brook-street, Holborn, tobacconist,
July 1, at twelve, 8, at eleven, and August 9, at twelve, at the
Court of Commissioners. Norton, Jelly in-street, Cripplegate.
and Smith, Cooper
JOHN LUKE, Mark-lane, wine-merchant, July 1, 12, at ten,
and August 9, at nine, at the Court of Commissioners. Cruck-
o,„ilk, Ring's Arms-yard, Coleman-street.
WILLIAM WILLSHER arid GEORGE WILLSHER,
nine, at the Court of Commissioners. Young, Mark-lane.
Oxtbrd-street, bakers, July 8 and 15,
,s_h
an at ten,
gahnarili.
sAt
ruegeutst 9, at
JEREMIAH BROWN, Sheerness/ Kent, barge-wiper, July
8 and 15, arid August 9, at ten, at the Court of Commissioners.
ANN SAY WELL, QueenLorough, Kent, linen-draper, July 8,
IS, at one, and August 9, at eleven, at the Court of Commis.
sioners. Aubrey, Hatton-garden, London ; Edmeades, Sheerness.
EDWARD W ILL IA 31 BISHOP, G eorge-street, South-
ampton-street, Pentonville, surveyor, July 5,8, and August 9,
at eleven, at the Court of Commisiones. Sylvester and Co.,
Smith, Weir,
Furnival's Inn, Holborn.
WILLI AM MOORE and JOAN M'CREIGHT, Liverpool,
corn-merchants, July 25, 26, and August 9, at one, at the Cla-
rendon Rooms, Liverpool. Blackstock and Mince, King's Bench.
walk, 'I emple, London • Bardswell, Liverpool.
WILLIAM TASKI!It, Oldham, Lancashire, innkeeper,
July 21), 21, and August 9, at one, at the York Hotel, Manche,.
ter. Shuttleworth, Rochdale ; Smith' Chancery-lane.
THOMAS WEST and AAItON BRAIN, jun. Conhams

Clioue.lstershir
twelve, at Dee
anu Loftus, N,
WILLIAM
aud August 9,
ley, Liverpool-

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IMPERIA L PARLIAM ENT

The House met at Half past Three o'clock, when Prayers
were read by the Bishop of EXETER ; the House then ad-
journed till Five o'clock, when the LORD CIIANCELI.OR
took his seat on the Woolsack.
The Marquis of SALISBURY deferred his motion on
the Poor Laws till Thursday.
The Marquis of DOWNSHIRE presented a petition
from the town of Newry in Ireland, praying for the intro-
duction of Poor Laws into that country. The Noble Lord
would favour such introduction if he was of opinion that
they would improve the condition of the poor, hut he I
thought that finding them employment would be a better
Way of giving relief.
The Marquis of LONDONDERY gave notice that on
Thursday next he would present several petitions against
Parliamentary Reform.
Lord SKELMERSDALE presented several petitions
against the truck system.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNF. moved the first read-
-1,4 of a Bill to regulate the appointment of Custos .Rotu-
"ltor in Ireland.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY enquired whether
the Bill would interfere with the office of Lord Lieutenant
of Ireland ?
Lord MELBOURNE answered no, the office of Custos
Rotu/orum was an office entirely civil, and would not at
all interfere with the office of Lord Lieutenant, which was
a military one.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE laid on their Lordships' table
two Bills to abolish the system of paying workmen's
Il'ageß, commonly called the truck system. The Noble
Lord said, that his Bills were exactly the same
ae a Bill which was introduced in the other
'louse of Parliament in the late Session. He
Would defer what he hail to say till the second reading, as
be believed their Lordships were well acquainted with the
provisions of the Bills.
On the motion of Lord MELBOURNE the Bills are to be
read a second time on Monday next.
The Duke of BUCCLEUGH presented a petition from
the Freeholders, Commissioners of Supply, and Justices
of the Peace of the County of Forfar, against Reform ;
and praying, that if a future Bill was introduced, that the
number of coun•ies in Scotland might not be reduced.
Lord DUNCAN denied that this was the petition of
the county of Forfar. It had been got up in the most
curious manner. Not more than eighty-four persons being
Present; and with such an assemblage, the resolu-
tions embodied in the petition were come to. To
those resolutions he (Lord Duncan) moved as an amend.
Ment the approval of the whole Bill, and thanks
to Ministers for what they had done, and that amendment
Was carried by a majority of sixty to twenty-four. Under
such circumstances he could not submit to this
petition being called the petition of Forfar. He believed
it to he the petition. of very respectable individuals
but got up under most peculiar circumstances. First, they
had attempted to get the sanction of the county, and then
they came forward with the present petition. He
(Lord Duncan) believed that the county of Forfar
Mood single in Scotland in having passed a vote
to favour of Ministers and the Reform Bill. With re-
'Peet to the acts of violence at the election, no one could
lament them more than he did ; and he considered the
sooner the perpetrators were brought to justice the better.
'tut he could not help thinking that the accounts received
of the violence committed were much exaggerated. It had
been said that expressions had been used at that election
Which could only be equalled by the blood-thirsty expres-
sions at the French revolution. He trusted that the people
of Scotland would use every constitutional means of car-
tying this great Bill through Parliament—(Hear)—by
Which they would obtain for themselves great advantage
end immortal honour.
The Duke of BUCCLEUGH said it was not pretended
that the petition was the petition of the county of Forfar.
It was the petition of some forty or fifty proprietors
deeply connected with that county. He should not enter
into the discussion of the committal of violerices alluded
to by the Noble Lord, as he considered that a fitter subject
for the Secretary of State than himself.
The Earl of HADDINGTON felt hound to say, that
the violence committed at the election for Forfar had not
been exaggerated. Improper means had been resorted to
for the purpose of preventing the persons assembled from
electing representatives fairly, and those means had only
been °defeated by the courage and firmness of the
freeholders. He was not one of those who would object
to any lawful means being used to carry a point either for
"r against Reform. But he felt extreme regret at the
course adopted on this occasion.
Lord DUNCAN deprecated as much as any man im-
Proper proceedings at elections, but he must repeat that
those proceedings had been greatly exaggerated.
Lord BELHAVEN also bore testimony to the exag-
gerated accounts given of this election.
The petition was then read, and the House adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The Lord ADVOCATE called the attention of the
House, to an error that had been made in the return of
all Hon. Member for Newport. The Hon. Member was
tqated in the return to be John Joseph Hope Vere, instead
of James Joseph Hope Vere, which was the real name of
tte Hon. Gentleman. He, (the Lord Advocate) was
Prepared to identify the Gentleman as being the individual
returned, and he supposed the error in the return could be

Corrected.
The SPEAKER said, all that was necessary was the
identity of the individual, and as that had been done by
the Lord Advocate, the clerk of the Crown Ace who was
In attendance could be instructed to amend the return.
Mr. Alderman WOOD obtained leave to bring in a Bill
to incorporate the General Steam Navigation Company.
The Kenneth Navigation Bill was read a second time
Ind committed.
On the motion of Mr. ATHERLEY, the Southamp-
ton Pier Bill vas read a second time.
Mr..HOBHOUSE brought in a Bill to construct and
otintain• a Chapel of Ease in the parish of St. George's,
Ranoversiquare, called the Grosvenor Chapel, which was
read-a first time.
On the motion of an How. MEMBER, leave was given
to bring in a Bill to explain• and amend the Acts of the
3d Geo. 11., and the 19th Geo. 111. for the more expedi-
tious recovery of Small Debts in the Tower Hamlets dis-
trict.
On the motion of Mr. LAWLEY, the Birminglitm
Basford Rail-road Bill was read a second time.
Mr. STRICKLAND presented five petitions from
various places in favour of the Leeds and Bradford Rail-
toad Bill.--Referred to the Committee.
Lord AIORPETH presented several petitions in favour
of the Manchester and Leeds Railway Bill. Also, five
Petitions in favour of the Bradford and Leeds Railway
Elia, On the motion of the Noble Lord, the Leeds and
Bradford Rail-road Bill, and the Leeds and Sheffield Rail-
toad Bill, were read a second time and committed.
Mr. HUNT rose to present a petition from the work-
log daises, members of a society called the " North-wes-
tern District of the National Union," stating that the pe-
titioners experienced great evils from those Acts called
the " Castlereagh Acts," particularly that which imposed
restrictions on the liberty of the press. The petition was
touched in respectful languare of this House, but in rather
strong language of the Nobleman by whom the Acts
Were brought in. They believed that when the
Act in question was brought in, it was the intention to
keep the people in ignorance the better to plunder them.
The Hon. Member was one who thought the House would
he disgraced if they suffered these Acts to remain on the
Statute-book ; they were passed iu times of great danger
and excitement, but now that no such causes existed-
-11,0%v that the country had a liberal Ministry who were then
oostile to these Acts, he was surprised they were still un-
rePealed. He (Mr. Hunt) was for the unbounded liberty
of the Press, but not fur its licentiousness; and as far as
It confined itself to truth it ought to be upheld, and on
the other band it ought to be held responsible
"a" publishing what was false either against the Govern-
ment or against an individual.
Captain GORDON did not rise to object to the recep-
tion of the petition, but he thought it was irregular, as
Coining from a society of persons not known to the law.
He wished, before it was read, to put the House in pos-
session of some publications which emanated from per-
sons who bad prompted this petition. The Hon.
Alember here read extracts from " The Poor Man's
Guardian, and the " Republican," both of which
',poke very vituperative language of the conduct of
Majesty and his Ministers, comparing their conduct to
that pursued by the Polignac Ministry, reviling the Royal
l'amily of this country, and condemning the whole fra-
ternity
of Kingcraft, Priestcraft, and Lordcraft. Having
read these extracts, the Hon. Member trusted that the
House would agree with him in declaring them to be
gross libels; he was setry and surprised that, instead o.

a trumpery pros 'action by the Stamp-office, the Govern.
anent had not prosecuted the parties for sedition and
blasphemy—(Hear, hear)—and he respectfully intimated
to his Majesty's Govet ntneat that he would take an
suarly opportunity of making a motion upon this subject
Mr. HUME was happy that this petiticn had beer
uresented, as it gave him an opportunity of making some
bservations upon the sentiments uttered by the Hon.
Member who spoke last, and who had read extracts from
papers in the course of his speech, which would have the
fleet of making them read instead of by only about 100 or
1.00 persons, by perhaps many thousands. The Hon
tletnber had come forword to declaim the Press, and t.
•ondemn the Government for not prosecuting. There
sas not one of the Honourable Gentleman or
the Ministerial Benches but had, when these Bills
ire brought in, strongly oppose them ; they were
laws instituted to keep the public in ignorance by repress-
b public discussion, and he was proud to say that they
'iad for some years been allowed to remain a dead letter.
['he Hon. Member (Capt. Gordon) did not seem to re-
c died that after the melancholy catastrophe at Manches-
t •c, during which a score of individuals were cruelly
slaughtered, the conduct put sued by his Majesty's Govern.
ment was to introduce Six Acts, which were a disgrace
to the country, and which he did hoge the present Minis-
ters would have rep. aled before this tim. The Attorney-
General, when he brought in the Bills, admitted
that he would not support the Bill relating to publications
as an individual measure, but he took the whole as one
measure, and as necessory to uphold the liberties of the
country. The Hon. Member then adverted to the opinions
of several Members of the present Ministry as delivered by
them on the occasion of introducing the Bills, and he stated
the opposition which the Bills then experienced. He (Mr.
Hume) held it to be a primary principle that Englishmen
should publish whatever they pleased on their individual
responsibility; such measures as these could not be war-
ranted, and was he now to be told that it was
surprising that the Government did not now prosecute
under those Acts? He repeated that it was a disgrace
they should have been so lung on the statute-book. I,
Hon. Members thought by this course they would stifle
public discussion, they were much mistaken; the day was
gone by when the public voice was to be monied and
stifled by such Acts.—(Hear.) What wasthe consequence ?
Any of the Hon. Members might publish an octavo
volume of blasphemy or sedition, but the poor man
was prevented from publishing a sheet or two sheets.
He had taken a part in blaming the Duke of Wellington's
administration for having attempted to ruin an individual
by half a dozen of prosecutions fur what were called libels
in Papers, but he felt bound that the Duke of Wellington's
Government never disgraced themselves by prosecuting
those small publications which his Majesty's present
Ministry had adopted the course of doing.—(Hear,
hear, and cheers.) These publications were began and
continued for six months during the late Government,
but there never was a single prosecution instituted by that
Government under the six Acts—prosecutions there were
for sedition, undoubtedly, which was quite a different
thing ; and he was surpriied that the present Ministry
had, in this instance, adopted a prosecution through the
Stamp-office, which had never been deemed right by the
Duke of Wellington's Ministry. He held in his hand
publications containing expressions much worse than those
which had been read, and which the Hon. Member
who had preceded him might see, but which he (Mr. H.)
would not be the means of circulating. He was willing
to consider the papers in his hand' poison—the
rankest poison,—and he was persuaded that every
prosecution undertaken would only be the means of
spreading that poison more effectually through the country.
There were in London no less than 32 publications illegal
as the law stood, selling under 6d., some consisting
of half a sheet—others consisting of a sheet, and against
which persons, by the existence of the Six Acts, had no
protection. Some of the publications which he was bound
to call illegal, contained information of a most excellent
description. There was one put down lately at Manchester
which was a publication better calculated to inform the
lower classes of society than any publication he had eser
read ; and if any thing in the shape of a letter,
or any unusual expression got into such a publication
as that, he did not see wi y its usefulness was to be disre-
spected any more than the dignity of the House, in which
lie was to be considered, injured by the strange, anomalous,
and inconsistent speeches, which some Members thought
proper to make within its walls.—( Hear, and laughter.)
Again, the Trades Herald of Glasgow, which had been
suppressed, had discussed topics of general policy, and par-
ticularly the truck system, with an ability which be had
never before observed. Many other such instances
might be brought forward. When the Combination Acts
were repealed, and when the present Lord Chief Justice of
the Court of Common Pleas was Solicitor-General, in conse-
quence of an attack made on theFlouse, and himself (Mr. H.)
for having recommended the repeal of those lowa, he
thought it right, with some other gentlemen, to commence
a publication, for the purpose of answering such attacks,
and which was to be sold at a penny or twopence.
After it was commenced the promoters of it were informed
they could not answer the scurrility anal abusive language
which had been employed without subjecting themselves to
the lash of the law. lle took the opinion of the Solicitor-
General upon the question, and he had now that written
opinion, saying the Six Acts prevented them. He then
made up his mind as he should recommend every other
person to do—if persons cannot with safety answer
such publications, then let those conducting them go
on till they had completely exhausted their vocabulary of
abuse. And he would request the Honourable Gentle-
man to abstain from urging the present Govern-

ment either to continue to keep or to put new
fetters on the Pres., the result of which could
only be to cause ignorance to spread over the country.
Instead of recommending such injudicious prosecutions as
had been adopted, it would be infinitely more to his credit
to come forward and advocate free discussion—free dis •
cussion being calculated in the highest degree to elicit truth.
For his (Mr. ll.'s) own part, he advocated the removal of
every shackle that was at present imposed on the Press.
He had more experience of the Press than the Hon. Gentle-
man who had just spoken, and the Right Hon. Member
for Tamworth would recollect, that whilst prosecutions
were going on against Carlile for blasphemy under the
former Government, he (Mr. Hunt) proved by
papers which I.e brought down to that House,
that though before the prosecution the Paper to
which he alluded, published by Carlile, had only a
circulation of 1,000, it immediately after the prosecution
°trained a circulation of 20,000, and under which prose-
cution that individual was imprisoned. Under the judicious
conduct, in that respect, of the Right Hon. Member for
Tamworth, Carlile was soon allowed to leave prison, and
no more prosecutions took place. Carlile was then very
soon brought down to a state in which he could scarcely ob-
tain the means of existence. Since that time two gentlemen
very well acquainted with both parties, prevailed with his
Majesty's Government not to persevere with another
prosecution against Cat lile ; Carlile thought the prosecution
would not be carried on, and he wrote a letter, which
he (Mr. H.) had seen, in which he expressed
himself as greatly enraged at the idea of the Government
not proceeding with the prosecution. His object was
notoriety, and unfortunately for the principles of
the Government—unfortunately for their principles,
Carlile's publication went on. He would say nothing at
present of the disgraceful circumstances under which that
verdict was I raught in against Carlile—a verdict brought
in by starving a Jury in the midst of winter after
they had two or three times returned into Court unable
to come to an unanimous verdict. He would say nothing
about that that disgraceful circumstance; but what was the
result with respect to Carlile's publication ? Why it had
increased ten-fold, and since that titne an annuity had been
settled upon that man for his life of 50/. and a similar an-
nuitylln
the tos
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them
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prosecutions
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chief uilsd
only tenth to inundate them throughout every part of the
country, to demoralize the public,
chief in every possble way. Ile thought these prosecutions
most ill-tithed on the part of his Majesty's Ministers, and
equally ill-timed was every effort on the part of any
Hon. Member in that House at this late hour of
the day, to support any proposition calculated to
fetter or to destroy the liberty of the Press. He held in
his hand a petition from the National Union of the work-
ing classes of society, and which it was his inten-
tion to bring up when it came to his turn, praying for
the repeal of the Six Acts. Charles t he
nlst hadh pu
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very small
majority had put down (for it amounted to that) the liberty
of the Press in this country ; therefore, if there *as any
credit due to the French people for driving that
King from his throne because of that ordinance there
would be equal credit due to the people of England
,s No no," and " Yes, yes,"
No, for driving the statutes which fettered the P ress off the
statute-book here.—(Cries of
(Mr. H.) was not
The Lord Advocate might think that he
the Lord Advocate's voice being uppermost m the nos. e)
serious, but he could assure him 50d
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very
nous in any thing
that House that he was never more se
Member in
Gentlemen by whom he was surrounde , a d
he had ever uttered in that House. It was
nverywwhenll
hfaodr
always endeavoured to curtail the
to call out " No ;" but he sincerely trusted
the pre•
snare on this
sent Ministry would not be dran n into a
liberty of the. Press,
most important subject. If they wished for truth, then

'heir voice would I.e—let there be free discussion
tut if they wished to st:tl tie tt Lab, theil let them not
,nIY continue the existing shackles, but I4dothers upon
.he poor unfortunate press, and which he was persuaded
vould add infinitely to the distress which already prevailed
hroughout the country. If the editor of the Poor Man's
Guardian, should in a little while be thrown into prison,
vhich he . (Mr. II.) had very little doubt would
be the case, another editor would make his appear-
ince the very next day, and so it would be.
throughout the 365 days of the year; and if Government
ttempted to attack the Editors of such Publications in the
way that they had already begun, they would find they had
,indertaken a hopeless task. Let the Government remove
-he Six Acts, and then all those who were aggrieved by
"üblicntions would be at liberty to enter the field of defence
nd controversy.
Mr. RICE TREVOR said, that in no one instance had
e evPr opposed the rational freedom of the public Press.
But he would ask the Member for Middlesex, and he would

ppeal to the House, whether there was no tlifferencebetweett
freedom and its licentiousness. The Hon. Member fin
liddlesex had attributed to the ignorance of the lowe)
lasses all those crimes, and every other species of aim.
Anation which disgraced the country. But he would

isk, why (:id he make no allowance for those
editions and blasphemous publications which, it was 6
veil- known fact, were circulated throughout the king.

Sir FRANCIS BURDETT, convinced that tin.
.ix Acts of Castlereagh memory had never been
mended with beneficial results, recommended Hon
Gentlemen, instead or urging his Majesty's Ministers tr
commence fresh prosecutions, to bring forward a motion to
place the law upon that constitutional footing on which it
',toot' before such innovations had been introduced.—
(Hear, hear.) As to the publications in question, he con-
sidered them below judicial notice.
Mr. O'CONNELL would tell the Hon. Member for
Dundalk, that prosecutors bad never yet put down opinion.
They might succeed in smothering it for a time, but
,it
would soon break out, if not on the same spot, with
increased strength elsewhere. Opinion should be 'met
by counter-opinion ; statement by counter-statement ;
.irgument by counter-argument; thus the public good
aontemplated by the most honest prosecutors would, with-
out the slightest mixture of evil, he speedily attained.
Mr. C. WYNN said the simple question was, whether
every individual was to be at liberty to make public every
excitement to crime which he thought proper. It mattered
not how that excitement to crime was conveyed, whether
in these words, which he had seen prominently in one .of
those papers only yesterday—" down with Kings, Lords,
Ind Priests, and particularly in England ;" or whe-
ther it were in the shape of advising the labourers
of the counties of Kent and Sussex to set fire to ricks.
The question appeared to him to be quite the same.
The one and the other were excitements to 'crime, for-
bidden by the laws of this realM, and forbidden by the
laws of every country which had a constitutional existence.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said it was with a very
strong feeling of having the public mind go along with
Government in all prosecutions of that sort, before they
were instituted against the individual, the opinion of the
Grand Jury had been first taken in eve.y instance.—
(Hear.) Most undoubtedly no Government in his judg-
ment could give up the right to proceed in cases of excite.
meut to crime. But he always did consider it a matter that
required to be dealt with with the greatest circumspec-
tion. There was one inconvenience he would now state
which flowed from these prosecutions,—that was, that
a wider diffusion of the mischief was lo be counted on
and which probably might have been but for their Institu-
tions confined to the knowledge of a few. He had,
therefore felt it, in the balancing of conveniences
and inconveniences, to be infinitely better to leave
to the public indignation and feeling of rectitude,
all such publications, that they might dwindle into de-
served insignificance, rather than bring them forward
into public notoriety by prosecution.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROBERT PEEL was happy to hear from a gen-
tleman holding the situation of the Hon.. and learned gen-
tleman, a complete denial of what had been charged to the
Government. But he heard it slid that truth was to find
its way by free discussion, and that sedition and bla-plretnv
were to be left to effect their own cure. He admitted with
the Hon. and learned gent: that severe laws ought not to
be called into action too lightly, too frequently, nor with-
out the exercise of the greatest circumspection, and he

thought there was great truth in the observation _of the
Hon. Member for Middlesex, that prosecutions of this kind
often tended to make persons proceeded against to a certain
degree popu'ar. He thought the Hon. and Learned Gent.
had acted wisely in enforcing those laws which he found
on the Statute Book rather than proceeding against the
parties for sedition and treason. It was painful to connive
at such publications as those which had teemed from the
press, but it was said that persons were behind who were
the real authors, as it was said that the windows broken
by a riotous mob, were in fact broken by the enemies of
the Reform Bill, the Hon. Member for Middlesex called
himself the great advocate of Constitutinal knowledge;
but when the Hon. Member said there wus no difference be-
tween the acts of the Pulignac Ministry and Six Acts, when

in fact that was the sort of knowledge which made the
wide distinction, he could not give the Honourable
Member the high character he claimed for himself. In
times like these the great advocates for knowledge should
guard themselves againt such excitement, as such topics
were likely to produce. The Honourable Baronet
hoped his Majesty's Government, knowing thal
the efforts made to undermine the religious state and
loyalty of the people, would act upon the experience they
had had.—(Hear.)
The petition was then read, and
Mr. HUNT moved that it be printed, but there was
coughing, and cries of " Oh, oh.")
Mr. HUNT rose amidst the nase and confusion, but on
his repeating " Oh, oh," laughter, and then a deep
silence ensued, be had got but a few sentences
when the coughing was resumed. lie, however ex-
pressed his determination to address the House
or reply to what had fallen from such Hon. Members, and
and he was speaking, amidst much confusion, when our
Repot ter left.