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LONDON,
WEDNESDAY EVENING, JULY 13, 1831.

The country will see in our report of the
memorable debate that took place last night in

the House of Commons, and which was pro,

longed to half-past seven o'clock this morning,
a rare sample of the spirit which actuates the
Opposition in their hostility to the Reform Bill.
The discussion originated in a motion made by

Lord MAITLAND, that Counsel should be

heard in defence of the borough of Appleby,

whose population, according to his Lordship,
had bee► erroneously estimated by Ministers.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in a

brief but pointed speech, clearly showed that this
motion was superfluous, because Ministers were
in possession of all the information that could be
obtained on the subject. This, however, did
not satisfy the Anti-Reformers, who, with their
temper, seem also to have taken leave of their
senses, and they accordingly pressed the House
to a division, the consequence of which was
a triumphant majority for Ministers. Division

after division, on the most frivolous, extraneous,
and untenable points, subsequently took place,
each of which ended, as was to have been ex-

petted, in a majority for the Reformers, whose
strength kept on► increasing, as the factious spirit
of the Opposition more and more betrayed
itself, until at last they had the whole House, or
nearly so, in their favour. The following list
of the divisions will prove that we do not speak
without sufficient warrant :

For the Motion lB7
Against it 284
Majority in favour of Ministers —97
Against the Adjournment 329
In favour of it
Majority in favour of Ministers --236
For the Motion `B
Against it .• 90
Majority in favour of Ministers —l96
For the Motion
Against it 233
Majority in favour of Ministers —l72
For the Adjournment 44
Against it
Majority in favour of Ministers —l7o
Noes 23

Ayes 4,1
Majority in favour of Ministers —l66
For the Adjournment '23
Against it
Majority in favour of Ministers —lo2
For the Motion Si
Against it 137
Majority in favour of Ministers --ma
Had Lord M A ITL A ND's motion been granted,
it is evident that every other borough on the sick
list would have sent up a similar claim to be heard
by Counsel previous to disfranchisement, and
thus month after month would have been
frittered away, until at length the entire
body of the people maddened, with such
teazing delays on matters, to them of life and
death, would have risen in their indignation,

taken the question of Reform out of the hands
of Government, and thereby precipitated scenes
which we shudder but to contemplate. The
Opposition clearly do not, or will not, under-
stand the feeling of the country. They speak,
and act, and divide as if there were no excite-
ment abroad—as if the flame were quenched—
the last spark burnt out. We tell them—and
they themselves will but too soon find it out—
that they are most egregiously mistaken.
The country is as inflammable as ever ;
in fact, it is all earthquake. In county—
city—town—village—men's minds are bent
on the attainment of one grand object, Re-
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form. This, no matter at what risk to par-
ticular interests, they will have ; for this, they
are prepared to undergo the sacrifice of even life
itself. But the Anti-Reformers evidently ima-
gine that this spirit from its very excess will in
time wear itself out. They imagine that Reform
is a mere fashionable mania with the country,
which will shortly give place to some newer ex-
citement. Acting on this absurd notion, they
are resolved to wear out the patience of the com-
munity ; to throw every possible impediment in
the way of Reform ; to protract it, on one pre-
tence or other, to the very last hour ; and
to trust to the chapter of accidents for the
rest. These tactics are worthy the brains of
those with whom they originate. But they will
fail—miserably fail—and we tell Sir C. WE-
TIIERELL and the rest of the crew who are now
sailing with him in the " Ship of Fools," that
their conduct last night will do more to expedite
the cause of Reform than any scheme that even
Ministers themselves could have devised. How
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a sound sleep at home to an equally sound one
in the House ! Gentlemen of the Opposition,
listen to us but for one moment. Your power
is over—your reign is at an end. You die mar-
tyrs to an unhappy attachment for yourselves and
the boroughmongers. Yet a few months, and you
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know you no mote ; the political grave hastens
to close over you ; Reform pants to chaunt
your hicjacet.
We now turn to other matters. Country.
men, we address ourselves to you. Be cautious
—be active—be firm—for if you be caught sleep-
ing at your posts, the enemy will overpower you.
Even now treachery is at work, and some
of those whom you thought friends have
turned out foes. Mark the conduct of Tuomr-
sos—that most sagacious and statesmanlike and
eloquent of Aldermen. This gentleman was re-
turned by the City for the sole avo.ved purpose
of carrying Reform through the House. And
how does he redeem his pledge ? Why, by giving
with one hand what he takes away with the
other. By voting for Reform on the
second reading, and striving to cripple it
in Committee. By siding with Ministers on
one vital point, and against them, on another
equally vital. And yet this gentleman presumes to
call himself a Reformer ! This gentleman, who
voted last night in favour of a motion, which,
if carried, would have adjourned the passing of
the Bill to the Greek Calends, actually thinks
he is befriending the great question ! And so
indeed he iF, but on the same principle that
CONGREVE'S Double Dealer thought he was
befriending the two husbands, when he strove to
seduce their two wives. We hope the enlightened
citizens of London will not forget the services of
Alderman THOMPSON at the next election. As
a speaker, he can do them no good, for he has
not an idea beyond a bar of cast iron ; and as a
miracle of consistency, we feel quite convinced
that he will never electrify them.

We give the following further particulars of
he debate last night from a correspondent of

:he Times :

[We have been favotued with another and fuller accouut
of what passed when the reporters were exeludel]

Lord TULLAMORE declared his determination to
move a further adjournment. The Nob'e Lord had en-
deavoured to check free discussion.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER assured
the Noble Lord that he had not made any of the state-
ments which he attributed to him. The Noble Lord had
said that it was his wish to stop free discussion on this
great subject. He would appeal to the House whether
the question had not received the most ample and the
fairest possible attention. He had consented to adjourn-
ments in every case, where by doing so that object could
be promoted, but on the present occasion he should be
wanting if he did not mark the opinion which be enter-
tained of the motion now made by continuing his opposi-
tion to it.—(Cheers.)
Colonel DAVIES sail that it was impossible to mis •
take the motives which prompted the motion for adjourn-
ment. The motion was made to create delay, and throw
obstacles in the way of the great measure under consi-
derition. The country would understand what was
meant, and the public would duly appreciate both the
conduct of his Noble Friend in resisting such a course, and
that of those who sought to pursue it.—(Cheers.)
Sir J. BRYDGES said the question did not appear to
him to have received sufficient discussion ; the question of
Reform certainly had, but the question now under discus-
sion was, whether Counsel should he heard at the bar.—
(Loud laughter, and cries of " No, no.")
Lord G. LENNOX said, that the interruptions which
had been complained of to the Hon. Member for Borough •
bridge's speech could not have taken place, for he had
counted eighteen Hon. Gentlemen asleep during different
parts of it, including the Right Hon. Member for Tam-
worth, and the late Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Sir C. FORBES would not fight under a mask, but
would fight under an able leader, if one could be found.—
(Cheers.) He had fought to the utmost, and would per-
severe. He only wished he could turn Ministers out.—
(Loud laughter.) His object was to throw out the I'Sitl
and Ministers too.

Dr. LEFROY hoped that he might seize the moment
of good humour to propose that both sides should now
consent to adjourn.—(Cries of " No," and " Divide.")
Alderman WAIT HMAN hoped that the Ministers
would have the firmness to resist the adjournment.—
(Loud cheers.) The country could not mistske the true
motives which actuated those who brought it forward.—
(G.eers.) What was the use of continued discussion ?
He had listened to all that had passed to-night ; lie had
heard a most soporific speech—( Shouts of laughter)—from
the Hon. Member for Boroughbridge, and what was the
result? Nothing hut a repetition of what he had heard before.
Mr. G. BANKES hoped that the discussion might now
be brought to a close.
Lord INGESTRIE proposed that the Member for Bo-
roughbridge should withdraw his motion, on an under-
standing that no further proceeding should take place, as
continuing the present discussion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, as it
was now too late to proceed with the debate, be did not
contemplate any further proceedings, and should agree to
the noble Lord's proposition. ,
Lord STORMONT refused to be a patty to withdraw-
ing the motion.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL stated the inconvenience of
having no person with whom an arrangement for facili-
tating the business of the House could be made. He had
fixed this day for going into the Committee on the Reform
Bill, on an understanding with the Right lion. Member
for Tainworth, that the House should do so, and he should
have fixed an earlier day if lie had not believed that this
understanding would have been adhered to by the Right
Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. PERCEVAL would consent to the motion being
withdrawn, upon an understanding that the debate could
again be resumed to-morrow on the SPEAKER leaving the

Chair.
Sir C. WETHERELL opposed the withdrawal of the

motion.

The House then divided—
Against Sir C. Wetherell's motion
For
Majority 17.2
A third division took place, on a further motion for
adjournment, made by Sir. C. WETHERELL and Lord
TULLAMORE : the numbers were 235 to 63.
Lord BRUDENELL, seconded by the Hon. Captain
MAITLAND, moved the adjournment fur the fourth time,
and a lengthened discussion ensued, which lasted till half-
past three o'clock, when Lord BRUDENELL withdrew his
motion, which was again succeeded by a proposition from
Lord STORMONT, that the debate should be adjourned till
five o'clock this day. On this the House divided at ten
minutes after lour-214 to 41. A fifth adjournment was
then moved again by Sir C. WETHERELL.
[The subsequent proceedings are as fully detailed in our
own report as in that furnished by our correspondent.]

The following are extracts from Brussels and
Frankfort Papers received this morning :

Baussins, JULY S.—Yesterday evening at seven o'clock
detachments of grenadiers, chassieurs, cuirassiers, and lan-
cers of the garrison of Brussels, with a numerous staff,
preceded and followed by an immense crowd of citizens,
went to deposit, in their name, at the Place de Martyrs,
several shrubs adorned with flags and national devices,
placed on a funeral car drawn by four horses.
The Journals contain several addresses from Com-
manders of legions of the National Guard and Generals
of the army and their officers, which answering to the ad-
dress of the Regent, and the order of the day addressed by
Baron d'Hoogvorst to the National Guards, declare that
they are ready to maintain order and enforce respect to
the decisions of the Sovereign Congress and obedience to
the commands of the Regent.
It appear•, svs the Journal of the province of Liege,
that the Diet at Frankfort is going to take up very se-
riously the question relative to Luxemburg.
ASTwEIP, JULY B.—A superior officer commanding
the volunteers in garrison at Boon, was arrested the day
before yesterday and brought to Antwerp in the night.
He is accused of being concerned in a plot to overthrow
the Government.
Several other prisoners having been arrested at Ant-
werp in consequence of the discovery of this plot, which
was foretold by the Paris Journals, a crowd of people,
chiefly women and common people, traversed part of the
city in the evening reciting prayers. Yesterday evening
there were not less than 2,000 persons, who preceded each
other in bodies of 3 or 400, and went and knelt down for
a quarter of an hour before the church of Notre Dame, re-
peating the rosary. It seems that these persons are repeat.
ing a neuvaine (nine days' prayer) to obtain from heaven
the end of our distresses.