The Sun.
London, England, 1831-03-05 00:00:00

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temp.ate erg:" t angee neget e be eracivallyi
or they might endanger the safety of the whole. 11 „ Is letissf,'Ss,
therefnre, elways supported Bills which went grade" Illb 0, SeaaLou.
anieliowe the Constitution. To those Bills which -• ei %Tel
been brought in at different times to disfranchise cone NClei
and guilty beraughs be had been uniformly friendlY%it; slyftlf:letrr
might say without egotism, that the tirst prl°",pf a atel is P
which was submitted to Parliament for the transfer
on tbi Ntt lltrol
franchise I ten a corrupt borough to a large te'rf' iii eTWof e
motion of his Noble Friend, was drawn up by hign'oeee4, `,lltht h."
thought that ameliorations of that description %vereed to e(, Bit"
tB.4itiorte
rely, fuel mere deeiteible, and he had always ‘ei b . ern the '41,11; .
lece,elierm. _ Hs believed that from the pertoelrcif (hi
tt!frey a fit
bossuagli ;if elrampiusel ,was (:isfranchied,. melt
,AI 44; end ,
intrceieuiewiets eletitiqt;;
frirMils of ceilstitetienal oi'dee brit! e'etettti.inia°l',o4 !ech.,, cis.
ho es that by eer,cer ring in a course of that desersiPgrest rte.chirue'll
the House would run no riek of any danger, acti flit toe ikesitee 04
ch ..",ze would he avoided. For many years, he 113.1 of' elk%) a
that House did its ditty, and not a Bill of that lie°llof RI 4'14,14
had been proposed to that House which had not receive. the isiekiett
senetion. But, tine rtunately, a practice adopted il'ek Itse,4,tto
other House, of not passing such Bills unlese the WI the st‘tie.t.4
awl most complete judicial evidence was produeed!ch all "ote any I°
corruetion of the borousgh, became a rock (tn Whiseecie: Nceseeisi
such Bills split, He did not wish to name those St "rbersifiteleicri al
instance this Taoist. was adopted, but it arose ieteeel
es t''
Pals tot'
from a habit of considering questions—brod quest of' %I. IN
or 1
(If PelleYi es judicial questions. Where the cold be le all will
East Pettus aeose, it *as hoped that a reinetlY °, if ell' 4ose. c.,
forsnd for that cirse. His Right Hon; Friend asks n
reed rte din
'
failtwe Of that rueistrrh weee enritigh to justify the!' botly Neer!),
menebre? fte would say mit iditanq; bet 61101 le ti."
knew that the inunediete misbhief was not so great doe; Sli-ees's
feelines produced. When it was seen that two e,shet 9 the i- "
(furred together—one the strongest possible, and Ille.je- sce tills), the
eery weak ; and when it *as seen that the feeble evi eel' Neste,
in the one case prevailed, and in the other the strengf 01 144,41411
donee was found not s ifficient to justify the transfers:ego latespeei,b
fi anchit', the, result, be believed, on the general '. pis Nee. `Y
that 1t... s 1
.s art
was greatly mischievous. He was satisfiedes ,e‘eses, f
desirable to extend the repretuentuttion to large tntviie'ljf flit the ~vent
c'
was that to be done ? An addition to the netnbeil „pee '' the e
House, already inconveniently large, would not firk tee Nee Peep
It was already morn then sufliciently large for the direell ball • tin
charge of its duties. The large towns, then, e°9.l 1114 attiett
he repsesented by (lief, aechising some other placid Or holy tore
Noble Friend (Lord Pshnerston, we belueve,) c°li_e` sob' 1 fleehee,
witness for him that he had always considered biosell hittieet'l
Jed to be environed with difficulties. A men in on° 1°11°444
builder i r wiser than he was, who could see his 10Y isool -kiln, '
tit. se dangerous difficulties. Under these circuit 00/ fi'lesie 11
the change took place in the Administration. 1.,-01, ft' e'sr°eet44l„,
Governtnent pledged itself to use safe and pla'';,,, b. ~, dwell
tuenehment, and to the propriety of that, all clotjessil4nee,
0;
belierel, agreed. At the same that he was Lee ,111 eeik the .1
to any extensive measure of Reform, be "-k, es"" „cmiteesan'
greatest confidence in the Noble Lord at t'''' iP; .",', ties c
of the Government-, and confidence in tblee Olt' ‘'e
lasset ?
claration the Noble Lord had made and repeated - ia- h 1 Ste dt-'
He had stated to the Noble Lord his concurrence
ce 0 apt
desire:
measures of retrenchment ; but he haul also stall JO,: 3t aiti,c,
lie could only look at the Reform question relnitectelito/' iktlil iesi ,
was not willing to edopt any change except one °` id ti:tel 0;41
necessity. It was due to himself to awe this, and bne.tiOli ~It else,ll
the House would allow him to speak of himself. ''',- 19, 'el, have,
grounds he had accepted office, stipulating exprec%,'P 11 Iho7ftilie '
stating expressly', on the subject of the representetVi (e' are
if that question were submitted to Parliament, lie s e far, he,
t i himself the power to step aside and not suertio e ,p, esea
that he ressrved to himself the liberty of stating ele" :dose., I
pions on the subject, and they were such, so Opel ;eieeCurti
from those of his colleagues, as in general were '1%0,, all all
to melee the individual holding them cease to forniurcer ll,t as iii-,
a Government which entertained opinion. in yfrtel del „ithesf ,a
could not agree. In the formation of the men'°- $O7, foalk be 1
mitred to Path-uncut,. he of course had no share l's f: irth t
not being a Member of the Cabinet, the measure Woe '1 ti'fh a MI
Pi --(1
communicated to him till the week preceding the to l'l, *ll of si
was breneht forward. He had given great asses oteJoil it'iree itill
the measure ; and, in many pints, he highly °feet!' e leis? Loo
of it. He approved of the part stripping non-reel tisesarl toes,see
the right of voting, and confining the right of
rir4i ei t.,e oh i;
the resident householders paying 101. rent. ''`'"dtlilolt leqlo.
a great improvement. Ile approved, ton, Pros
regulation for taking the poll by districts, f, ir Oh et.
cl
the regulations connected with that part of 11! ‘tel!, 1
lle as
subject except one—the proposed Committee ei b'4o, Ober
Privy Council.--(Hear, hear.) That, power vineite,,l ii-LY eon,
opinion, greater than the House was authorised testy I Leteee,
to any individuals.---(Hear, hear.) If the WI ,e/; Fkla ion
to be dirided into districts, that could not propel''' s• 1 Teasing
by the Government—it must be done by Parliatne°;ol,l :tik an
Parliament could not and ought not to delegate tb° le
~ it 4: liv,
01
to do this, nor buffer the Crown to delegate sueblelrie ise.4l Is,
to any individuals. There were many defects /0 ' euto sZlsee,
sure which he could conceive it possible to relnetilis 09 4: to life
would not enter into the details of the measure. 'it e.! (ti safety
be altered in the Committee, but he did not then ic os Asi I,4ir„)
he so as to he made satisfactory. He did not cgt re 441 itgai
d ed, with those Members who said it Was flee I", issetelit asr
oi
power of Parliament to alter the franchise. It ~,erie'' ClesitY
right to return Members to Parliament—it was pills!e beetu'2l
' "td I'y,
when the sovereign power which resided in , is 0. %Lar h
thought that duty would be more advantageoull rigOdi 1,4 411, pe,
by a different-. etas of persons, Parliament had ~i 501,,e- ' 44114 Pet,
rn :ke any alteration it thought proper, He conic (ersi Ili tisei
derstand how any person who had voted for th
sol itlittpeceui
chising the forty-shilling freeholders could mike of alit Iso
et! t she'd,
ton to the Bill on that score. But when -bee•fiea
the measure contained such a wide—such a sweep of 'll' ,bt of
position, as to dismiss at once nearly one-101.'00, ielictli,
Members of the House of Commons, repleivite tr_,e' tkii 11 p,
odic's,- he felt that the change was much gre,r3be it'. tetillies
he was prepared to agree to.—(Cheers.) t: ie i sow" to
sure was much too vast to be contained in a sing if ' NCl'', 1
Witt n the Bill was brought to him, lie inquir, lied leime 4
places were to be disfranchised, sod that lie lied
thh,l'lll r
correct. lie was told, inneed, that the gresteets oelle ti toe
to,
In en taeen to draw the line impartia ly, and Oct see 5 elictithee
puletien wee considered. But was popolatit'neee? i teeelilete
criterion which ought to determine their dee° olf,oerod ti ‘" 'tithe
a, h,kki Al
thought they also ought to look at the situation , ,ttl: 1.:
rough as well as at numbers. For example, °so
_if -,,ei ' ,
might consist of a single street, and have tin's bO. 0°1) Nation
voters, but it might be close to some liege t°°l ;01 seeleetio
the borough was to be disfranchised—another on_etopei th'eelti; t
more people,sbut was not near so large as theo is
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joining the disfranchised borough—was to retategseii ei eZtsl e
vileges. He was obliged to say with pain 2101.0401 IC% t
unless the 13111 received modifications, 'which re of th; Ito
reasonably be expected, so as to change the nct° eg ~00eitlellt
of its propositions—unless many parts of it tvelete 0,401 he tto
which he could not hope for, lie could not g' rend , IliZells
port to the measure. He had seen times °se,/ te,,Vs.
than the present times—he believed more peril°°,oolol 04 lop
other in our history ; and the country had heenoos ktkit lle i
safely through them by the wisdom and firrlif tse,olt.: !toil
Government. In dime critical times, manY 0 ,001.,' Wif ' le esestet
bars of the boroughs it was now ptoposed °fp se.' ' *re Po
were the sareguarde of the Constitution. rieeefiff4 %titre
prepared, therefore, to wake so large- a 67,5 i °°, Orth ,/itltsq
was said that the measure was one of 'a to'er;ce tl, urns, a
dolling further changes; that if less eeeteocie illieePii
done, more changes would speedily be tr,'A, tPtvo, 0 of livid
there would be no safety. He did not agree Wieirete,44l Ittee teli4'
nion. If even in ten yews more would.L.,bethe:r Citi 412 isilitil,"
should think that was a good reason yen, t etre ire! "lest '''
should be adopted only in part, and thabesetlidei oft
should he successively adopted. Ile realer': Deporieil Sep tll
had been well stated by his Noble Friend, tb 6it %to 4
cellor, that every man who set about inabeinip ttraet tite,_ beells
should reflect that he was about to proeeeu 1,1.74 v., t 4 47:1
path. He was not satisfied that large bed ie. :0570:,, lit, jilt
edioeil
idiom should remain unrepresented ;he wle welt -0, '.i42!
the manufacturing towns should be repreceniathi ei Illieee
their representatives should have due, weigyisee oieloi 40 orti
but he was not satisfied to adopt the farge epee.est 1,0, Nt, h
by this measure. He differed on this point of sat/ ht,! hie Stotti a
those wi'l' Whom he hail been in the habit 0 that to he. l'iteseel
whom he respected; and he must also state', bodlisirolli I.o,:lii'
an additional regret in differing from s ilrgree( °refs t'i 011 kl'h '4ll
constituents who had pronounced a verY t'tbof -thvit be iiall,kti'
favour of Reform. He regretted thi'latettllVeo.l elette,
occasions when a roan would be more °coats, reel Cktleh;
did not act on his own opinion, let the thcolVoo.olll t'oz,
what they might. It was his duty, bete hi!'holl; It
cepting a charge as a representative, toe do P
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nions in'the best manner he could, but
....,„,. 0,-„-„ei.., a i,,.,,,,. ;
—(Cheers ) It had been his 100 on (Ore-AAP 0
,io'l, a 1 tines
differ from his constituents, and he b" The 1 glf°, tY ,o Co
formly the same confidence as at first. d
now viojco,/ ;:,41,
haul limeerly given were honest ; be babe shoP, ti,). 4 111„11%
honest opinion ; and he trusted that . pint- ri'eeer t' '-`
as I" liee . ri ks al
same confidence placed in him now /Greet c relit., 0 ' 6.. Of
(Cheers.) He had done his eluty.--4 the g .tr,pieti slushy
The LORD ADVOCATE-s-Afteer ee fielee r-eol, 10t c
which has taken place, to which I gla:,-;tbil josnotl, Ijk4l ,
d irected 'my attention, I can scarcelY,..7tiol.i the it ei 4:1 i
has'becn touChed on as it relates to rind
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cereell to sold any thing at this late P!A CO o.ei,fio
jit 0,14 ti
on this subject, and I am not diar7,0„,,,, of '„p,,
necessarily on the House, bergingentailainroevibeaie °lo:_blooglespoe'elto;f'.
~,ilk:i:lf?teopt
tively insignificant. I only -
outset, flattering myself I may be 4.,.inbe114bie11,",61 i ii,-, .%.
the general silence of the Scotch Al'_eore ns. .o'd 0 te:llie,
not adverse to the principle of that 10 _sore of
osl hll I
carried into effect by three -Bills' 01.
enieg r, 101.,„, Lee,
and Ireland respecively. In theto'Pek (L eoe- 'Po
Noble Lord the Member for Tavist . , sod/
ael).-a detail mint distinct and luinlnv