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The House then divided, and there appeared—
For the original motion
For the amendment

45

Majority

On our return to the Gallery, we found
Mr. HUME contending that the lost amendment em.
bodied the principles of reform on which the Bill wrs
constructed, and as it was supported by so large a majority
he would move for the postponement of the further consi-
deration of the remaining clauses to that day three months.
The Hon. Gentleman was proceeding to complain of the
spirit of hostility and insult evinced by the Lords i❑ wear-
ing their hats in conference with the Commons, when
Mr. A. TREVOR rose to call the Hon. Gentleman to
order.

The SPEAKER (as well as we could understand)
pronounced the point of order rather a difficult one,
but recommended the Hon. Gentleman to keep to the
subject of the Lords' Amendments, which had been read
a first time.

Mr. HUME said that in considering the Lords' Amend-
ments of the Commons' Bills it was very difficult to avoid
considering the conduct of the Lords themselves, and their
treatment of the Commons in conference. They had not
offered them a chair to sit down on.—(Laughter.) They
might have been exhausted and needed such an accommo-
dation for what tho Lords knew.—(Laughter.) It was not
decent treatment on the part of one set of gentlemen to-
wards another.

The SPEAKER again requested the Hon. Member
to keep to the question.
Mr. HUME said that his question was, he hoped, very
much to the purpose—that the further consideration of
these clauses be postponed to this day three months.
The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member's motion would
not have the effect he desired.

Lord J. RUSSELL should oppose the motion.
Mr. YOUNG and Mr. HUGHES supported the
clause.
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Mr. ROBINSON complained of the lamentably prodi-
gal waste of public time on irrelevent matters which had
taken place within the few previous days—(Hear, bear)—
and he felt bound to add that, notwithstanding the useful-
ness of the Hon. Member for Middlesex, no one wasted
more of it in that way than he did.—{Hear.) It was a duty
the House owed to the country not to oppose any unneces-
sary delay to the measure.
Mr. E WART defended his Hon. Friend the Member
for Middlesex from the imputation which had been cast on
him by the Hon. Member for Worcester. There were some
persons who consumed a great deal of time i❑ doing great
things ; there were others, on the contrary, who consumed
a great deal of time in doing things in a very little way.—
(Hear, bear, and laughter.) His Hon. Friend was justified
in interposing every legitimate obstacle to the Bill.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that, as the motion of the
Hon. Member for Middlesex was pronounced ineffective for
the purpose intended by it, namely, the defeat of the Bill,
he (Mr. T. Duncombe) should move to that effect that the
debate be adjourned to that day six weeks.
The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member could make no
motion until the former motion should have been disposed
of ono way or the other.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he should do everything in
his power to throw out the Bill, and he believed that such
was the desire and intention of all the country gentlemen.

The SPEAKER said that the effect of the motion of
the Hon. and Learned Member for Middlesex would be to
throw out the clause alone ; the Bill would be unaffected
by it.
After a few words from the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer and Mr. Hume,
Lord .T. RUSSELL said that, though the effect of the
motion would only include in its operation the clause, still,
as it would be difficult to send the Bill back to the other
House this session with any chance of its passing, he was
satisfied to take the division on the motion as tantamount
to the affirmation or rejection of the whole measure.

The House then divided.
For the clause
Against it
Majority

The remaining clauses were then agreed to, after a few
words from Lord J. Russell, Dr. 'Lushington, and Mr.
Hindley.

OTTOMAN CONSULS.

On the motion of Lord PALMERSTON, the Lords
amendments to the Ottoman Consuls Bill were agreed to,
and the Bill passed.
DR. BEAUMONT.

Mr. AGLIONBY wished to know of the Noble Lord
whether the British Government had interfered for Doctor

Beaumont—whether they had had any information respect-
ing him—and, if they had, was it of a nature to be commu-
nicated to the House.

Lord PALMERSTON said that a great deal of com-
munication had taken place on the subject of Dr. Beau-
mont's imprisonment between the British and French Go-
vernments. The fact was that that unfortunate gentle-
man connected himself with persons accused of political
conspiracy against the State. lie had been arrested
along with some of them, and sent to prison previous to
his trial. His brother had then applied to his Majesty's
Government to interfere with the French Government for
the purpose of havinc, him brought to trial ; and they
did so. They applied' to the French Government to that
effect. The case of Dr. Beaumont being detained prisoner
a long time previous to trial was not a solitary one ; there
were a number of other individuals in the same predica-
ment. In the course of time he was brought to trial and
sentenced to transportation. Such were the facts of the
case. With respect to the individual, he (Lord Palmer-
ston) should rather advise the Hon. Member who put
the question to leave his case in the hands of the Go-
vernment rather than make it the subject of a specific
motion. There was every disposition on their part to exert
their best influence to procure a remission of the sentence.
The Hon. Member might, therefore, safely confide the
matter to them.

Mr. AGLIONBY expressed himself satisfied.
GREEK LOAN.

Lord PALAIERSTON moved the third reading of the
Greek Loan Bill.

Mr. ROBINSON protested against the whole measure.
He complained that though the Noble Lord had for
upwards of twelve months had an intimate acquaintance,
through various channels, with the condition of Greece, and
the opinions of the Powers parties to the contract, he had,
for some reason or other not explained by him, delayed in-
troducing the subject of the Bill to the notice of the House
of Commons until within a few days of the close of the ses-
sion. It was not treating the House fairly. The papers
connected with the subject had cnly been laid upon the
table yesterday, and yet they contained much additional in-
formation, which would have required a session to investi-
gate. He maintained that it was the duty of the Noble
Lord to have brought the subject forward at the commence-
ment of the session, and he moved that the Bill be read a
third time that day three months.
Captain BOLDERO seconded the motion.
Lord PALMERSTON said that if the Hon. Member
carried his amendment the intentions of this country for
securing the independence of Greece would be frustrated,
in which intentions the Government of France equally par-
ticipated. He asserted that Greece was not in the state
of confusion which the Hon. Member described, and he
founded this assertion on the reports laid upon the table,
and the communications of Sir E. Lyons. He hoped,
therefore, that the House would not refuse its sanction to
the upholding of the treaty into which the Government of
this country had entered.

Mr. G. YOUNG said that his opinion was in.no way
altered by what had fallen from the Noble Lord, and he
should support the amendment which he would have se-
conded had he had an opportunity of doing so.

After a few words from Mr. HUME and Colonel SIB-
THORP, the amendment was negatived without a division.
The Bill was then read a third time, and passed.
Mr. HUME brought up the report of the Committee to
inquire into the Stafford Disfranchisement Bill, and moved
the postponement of the issuing of a writ for that borough
until ten days after the meeting of the House in the next
session of Parliament.

Mr. A. TREVOR opposed the motion, and moved as
an amendment that the writ be suspended to that day week.

Mr. CHETWYND said that no case had been made
out against the borough of Stafford, as all the Bills had been
given up.
The House then divided, when the numbers were—
For the original motion 45

Against it -
Majority —4o
The Order of the Day being moved for the reading of the
Civil Offices Declaration Bill,

Colonel SIBTFIORI' protested against bringing in this
measure at so late an hour.

Mr. A. TREVOR said he would continue to divide the
House upon the measure, even till eight in the morning.
The House divided—

Ayes
Noes

.... 45

Majority for the third reading ...... —43

On the question that the Bill do pass,

Colonel SIBTHORP said that it was a most unbe-
coming exercise of power to press forward a measure of this
kind, depending upon the mere force of numbers.

Mr. TREVOR said he was determined to act upon his
own feeling of what was right, and would continue to oppose
the Bill.

The gallery was cleared, but no division took place, and
the Bill was passed.

On the motion of Mr. TREVOR a new writ was or-
dered for the election of a Member for the county of Down,
in the room of Lord Arthur Hill, now Lord Sandys, who
gone to the Upper House.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the Order of the Cay for receiving the report of the Bri-
bery at Elections Bill.
Colonel SI BTH ORP said be did not expect to have this
motion made at so late an hour. He would, therefore, op-
pose the motion, and move that the House do now adjourn.
Mr. A. TREVOR said there were many objections to
the Bill, which it would be impossible to go into in the
absence of so many Members. He was disgusted with
such an absence of Members. He was thankful to his
Hon. and Gallant Friend, and the country was indebted to
him, for his manly and independent conduct in opposing the
smuggling of Bills of this kind through the House.

Mr. PALMER and Colonel PERCEVAL recom-
mended that the measure should not be pressed that night.

Colonel SIBTHORP said he did not wish to inter-
rupt the public business ; but it was not now his fault,
and he wished it to go forth to the public that his only
object was to prevent business of public importance from
being smuggled through the House in this manner. He
was determined to divide the House.
The House then divided.
Against the adjournment
For it

Majority
The Report was then received.
On the question that it be agreed to,
Arr. BORTH WICK expressed his determination to
move the adjournment of the House again.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sug-
gested that the best way to settle the difference would be
to appoint such an hour for the further consideration of the
measure as would give an opportunity of fully considering
the objections.

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Colonel SIBTHORP said, as he saw so much ma-
nceuvring on the other side to carry an important measure
contrary to the general interest of the community, be should
persevere in his motion. He wanted no accommodation—
be only required justice.—(Cheers.)
The House then divided, when there appeared
Ayes
Noes

38
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Majority

On our return to the gallery we found Mr. A.
TREVOR declaring that he should divide the House
again, as it was most unjustifiable on the part of Minis-
ters to attempt, at that late hour of the night, to hurry
an important Bill through the House. Though the Bill
was not very bad in principle it was so in its details. He
should, therefore, move the adjournment of the House, in
order to give time for the further ►consideration of the
measure. He expected the Hon. Member opposite (Mr.
Brotherton) would have moved, as usual, the adjournment.
Mr. BROTHERTON said he only moved the ad-
journment when he found it agreeable to both parties.

Mr. H. HUGHES and Colonel PERCEVAL sup-
ported the motion of adjournment..
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then
proposed the postponment of the question.
The House then resumed.
The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and the
House adjourned at Half-past Two o'Clock.