The Sun.
London, England, 1836-06-20 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, MONDAY, JUNE 20, iS36.

land and Wales have had under their consideration your
letter of the 18th of April, and also the letter of Mr. Ran-
dolph of the Bth of the same month, urging that permis-
sion should be granted to the paupers of the Eastry work-
house to attend divine service in the church at Eastry. The
Commissioners have given to these letters that careful at-
tention which the nature of the subject to which they re-
late, and the number and respectability of the parties who
have made the communication so justly demand.
The Legislature having confided to the Commissioners
the important task of maturing and carrying into operation
the workhouse system, they have devoted the most anxious
attention to the devising of such regulations for these esta-
blishments as shall, on the one hand, provide for the poor a
certain refuge from destitution, and, on the other, shall ren-
der these asylums less eligible than the dwellings of the in-
dependent labourer, or of those who, by industry and fore-
thought, may secure to themselves a provision for their old
age, and the commissioners have arrived at the conclusion
that these objects cannot be obtained if those who take re-
fuge in the workhouse are allowed to quit its precincts and
return to them again, unless they go out with the bona fide
intention of procuring the means of support by their own
labour, or through the assistance of their relatives.
" The Commissioners, moreover, are satisfied that any
relaxation of this rule, however plausible, and appa-
rently unobjectionable, may be the grounds of such relaxa-
tion, will, notwithstanding the best devised precautions,
lead, in a great number of cases, not only to irregular
conduct in those to whom the indulgence may be granted,

SECOND EDITION.

SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT,

(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS TO PRIVATE BILLS.
Mr. I3A RNARD moved that the Lords' Amendments to
the Newtown Abbot Improvement Bill be adopted. •
Mr. LOWTHER moved that the Lords' Amendments to
the North Midland Railway Bill be adopted.
An How. MEMBER moved that the Lords' Amendments
to the South Eastern Railway Bill be adopted.
SOUTH DURHAM RAILWAY.
Mr. BAINES brought up the Report on the South Dur-
ham Railway Bill.
DUBLIN AND DROGHEDA RAILWAY.
On the motion of Mr. CHAPMAN it was agreed that a
message be sent to the Lords to request permission to examine
the Marquis of Lansdowne, and the Marquis of Conyng-
ham, before the Dublin and Drogheda Railway.
METROPOLITAN SUSPENSION BRIDGE.
Mr. TENNYSON D'EYNCOURT brought up the report
on the Metropolitan Suspension Bridge, which was ordered
to be taken into consideration on Wednesday next.
Mr. WA SON presented a petition in favour of the measure.
On the motion of Mr. ANGERSTEIN, the Chelsea Hos-
pital Estate Bill was read a second time.
KILKENNY ELECTION.
The SPEAKER informed the House that John Power and
others who had petitioned against the return for Kilkenny,
had not entered into the necessary recognizances.
The order for taking the petition into consideration was
then discharged.
Captain BERKELEY presented a petition from Glouces-
ter, praying for the abolition of the punishment of death.
Colonel THOMPSON presented a petition from 2,600
retailers and drinkers of beer, of Preston and its vicinity,
praying for an eqtialization of the hciurs for the sale of beer.
Mr. OSWALD presented a petition, praying for an altera-
tion in the Factory Bill.
Sir J. BECKETT presented a petition from'the mortga-
gees of a road in Yorkshire, against the Turnpike Trusts Con-
solidation BiII.‘JEWISH DISABILITIES.
Mr. HINDLEY presented a petition, praying for the
admission of the Jews to all the rights and privileges of citizens.
Mr. SHAW presented petitions from the clergymen of the
parishes of Armagh and other places against the Irish Tithe
Bill. They felt bound to proteSt against any invasion
of their rights and properties, and were willing to endure
any privations rather than allow their successors' rights, as well
as their own, to be confiscated.
Mr. M'KINNON presented a petition from Marylebone,
praying that that House would not in any way interfere with
the privileges and independence of the Lords. It was
signed by 1,000 persons, and spoke the feelings and
wishes of the great majority of the wealth- and respecta-
bility of the borough. The petitioners lamented to
see notices put on the books of the House, the only tendency
of which was to degrade the Peers in the eyes of the people.
The individuals by whom those notices were entered had no
intention, whatever of carrying their measures forward. What
was it, therefore, that was intended to be done by those no-
tices ? Why, to degrade one branch of the Legislature by
holding out that that House had the power of re-organising
the House of Lords. For his own part be believed that each
branch of the Legislature was equal in their rights, and he was
not aware of any occasion in which the House of Lords had
interfered with the privileges of that House, and he did not
see, therefore, why that House should interfere with the pri-
vileges of the House of Lords.—( Hear, bear, hear.)
He trusted that the object-the petitioners had in view would
he realized, and that no degrading notice, such as he had re-
ferred to, would again be placed on the books of the House of
Commons.
Mr. WYNN deprecated notices of the kind alluded to in
the petition being given, if not intended to be complied with.
The SPEAKER thought, after the concurrence of the
House, that notice should be given of any motions Hon. Mem-
bers intended to make.
keter a short conversation between Mr. Roebuck, Mr.
Mackinnon. and the Speaker,—
Sir J. WROTTESLEY said that it should:be recollected
that the House of Lords had helped to re-model this House
alio% years ago.—( Hear, hear.)
Tile petition was then laid on the table.
FACTORIES BILL.
Lord ASHLEY presented a petition from 59 master manu-
facturers of Yorkshire in favor of a ten-hours' Bill.
Mr. COLLIER presented a petition from the Dissenters
of Plymouth, in favour of the Registration of Marriages Bill,
and for the abolition of Church rates.
Mr. B ROTHE IZTOII/4-1 presented a petition from the opera-
tives of Preston, complaining of the low rate of wages.
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD presented a petition from 30,400 in-
habitants of Birmingham, in favour of the Irish Municipal Bill
as it originally passed that House.
The Han. MEMBER presented several other petitions to the
same effect.

but to disorder in the workhouse itself, and to the conse-
quent disturbances of those for whom it is most desirable
to secure a tranquil abode.
" The Commissioners, entertaining the conviction of the
necessity of continuing the restraints adverted to, have not
been unmindful of the importance of providing for the in-
mates of the workhouse, and especially for the aged and

the sick, that religious consolation which you so properly
appreciate, and they have accordingly, after consulting
with the ecclesiastical authorities on the subject, directed

the appointment of chaplains to workhouses, whose especia
duty it is to attend to the spiritual wants of the paupers
therein, and who not only celebrate Divine Service within
the walls of the establishments, but also visit during the
week those why are respectively confided to their charge.
" The Commissioners have also been careful to direct
that morning and evening prayer should no longer be neg-
lected in the workhouses, and that attendance thereon
should be duly enforced by the master, under the control
of the Commissioners.
" If the spiritual aid thus provided for the paupers in
the workhouse be contrasted with the opportunities which
are afforded to the aged and infirm, who by their own ex-
ertions have secured independence, the Commissioners think
that, having regard to the infirmities attendant on age, and
to the practical obstacles which of necessity prevent parties
so circumstanced from going to church, you will come to
the conclusion that tir Commissioners, in their anxiety to
provide effectually for the religious instruction of the aged
and infirm paupers, have not fallen short of the principle
above laid down ; and that in fact they have placed the
pauper, as regards the supply of his spiritual wants, in a
better condition even than the independent labourer.
" By order of the Board,
" E. CHADWICK, Secretary.
" To the Rev. George Randolph, Eastry
Vicarage, Sandwich."
Now, although •we readily admit, that after what the
Poor Law Commissioners had already done, neither we -
nor any others could have any just reason for surprise at
whatever feats they might happen to have in store ;
still, we were not. prepared for this. Badly as thought
of the Commissioners themselves, and of the despotic
powers with which they are intrusted, we would not
have heard their enemies, say that among the " Chad-
.‘Vick Papers" there would ever be found a decree
which forbade the performance of a duty that all di-
vines, of whatever sect, have placed among the first
duties of a Christian—viz., the duty of attending PUB-
LIC WORSHIP. We should have said, that however
the the so-called " Friends of the People" might op-
press the poor—might degrade, half-starve, and impri-
son them—still it was impossible that the functiona-
ries of a Christian Government would venture upon
so gross an insult to the religion of the land as to say
that, because a man has the misfortune to fall into po-
verty, he shall be disqualified ipso filet° from enter-
ing his parish church. Yet such is the appalling
fact, as our readeys see ; and we have no doubt they
will see farther when the subject is mentioned
in the House of Commons, that the Government
and its supporters will defend this excommunication of
the poor. What course the defence of so gross and
arbitrary an interference with a primary duty of the
Christian may happen to take we will not attempt to
anticipate ; but of course the religious Mr. Poulter,
and the still more religious Mr. Buxton (if you believe
I themselves, as in courtesy you must), who have sealed
with their saintly approbation a measure that takes
churches away from The poor in Ireland, will find quite
as much to praise in this decree of the Commissioners,
which takes theipoor away from the. churches in Eng-
land. This will be consistent enough in these very
religious gentlemen. But what will Lord John Rus-
sell say in defence of this 801 l of excotninunication of
the Poor Law Pope and Cardinals at Somerset-house,
for whose acts he, as Home Secretary, is responsible
He cannot defend it by quoting or misquoting Paley ;
for though Lord John Russell naturally pounces upon
the loosenesses and latitudinarianisms that occasionally
occur in that eminent writer—as insects,. avoiding the
sound parts, invariably settle upon sores ortcars—still,
as a general authority, Paley will not answer the purpose
of a person of Lord John Russell's caste, either in re-
ligion or politics. Nor need we scck long for the
reason. Paley's liberality is at least sincere, con-
sistent, and impartial : Lord John Russell's, on the
contrary, is of the lip only, and always lop-sided.
Leaving his Lordship, therefore, to rummage his coin-
:non-place book for some fraction of a sentence unfairly
quoted from some man with a name, we shall proceed
to do that which he will not venture to do—we shall
quote Paley, without garbling him, on this subject.
Paley,•after working out the proposition that " the
worship of God be a duty (21. religion, PUBLIC WOR-
SHIP is a NECESSARY institution,' proceeds thus:--
" Beside the direct necessity of public worship to the
greater part of every Christian community (supposing wor-
ship at all to be a Christian duty), there are other valuable
advantages growing out of time use of religious assemblies,
without being designed in the institution, or thought of by
the individuals who compose them.
" 1. Joining in prayer end praises to their common
Creator and Governor has a sensible tendency to unite
mankind together, and to cherish and enlarge the generous
affections.

" So many pathetic affections are awakened by every
exercise of social devotion, that most men, I believe, carry
away from public worship a better temper towards the rest
of mankind than they brought with them. Sprung from
the same extraction, preparing together for the period of all
worldly distinctions, reminded of their mutual infirmities and
common dependence, imploring and receiving support and
supplies from the same great source of power and bounty;
having all one interest to secure, one Lord to serve, one
judgment, the supreme object to all their hopes and fears,
to look towards—it is hardly possible, in this position to
behold mankind as strangers, competitors, or enemies, or not
to regard them as children of the same family, assembled
before their common parent, and with some portion of the
tenderness which belongs to the most endearing qf our do-
mestic relations. It is not to be expected that any single
effect of this kind should be considerable or lasting ; but
the frequent return of such sentiments as the presence of a
devout congregation naturally suggests will gradually melt
down the ruggedness of many unkind passions, and may ge-
nerate
in time a Permanent and productive benevolence.
" 2. Assemblies for the purpose of divine worship,
placing men under impressions by which they are taught
to consider their relation to the Deity, and to contemplate
those around them with a view to that relation, force upon
their thoughts the natural equality of the human species,
and thereby promote humility and condescension in the
highest orders of the community, and inspire the lowest
with a sense of their rights. The distinctions of civil life
are almost always insisted upon too much, and urged too
far. Whatever, therefore, conduces to restore the level,
by qualifying the dispositions which grow out of great ele-
vation or depression of rank, improves the character on
both sides. Now things are made to appear little by being
placed beside what is great. In which manner superiorities
that occupy the whole field of the imagination will vanish,
or shrink to their proper diminutiveness, when compared
with the dist-ance by which even the highest of men are
removed from the Supreme Being, and this comparison is
naturally introduced by all acts of joint worship. IF EVER
THE POOR MAN HOLDS UP HIS HEAD, IT IS AT CHURCH ;
IF EVER THE RICH MAN VIEWS HIM WITH RESPECT, IT
IS THERE : and both will be the better, and the public pro-
fited, the oftener they meet in a situation in which the con-
sciousness of dignity in the one is tempered and mitigated,
and the spirit qf the other erected and confirmed."
We are perfectly well aware that, supposing there
to be, as we believe there is, as much of truth as of
eloquence in this passage from Paley, we have, to use
quoting it.
tnhe poor man
a v
Foru,lgaavro
Ipvhi
nrga siet,
uc chuet
tor tui re, ownthat t,1,1 rioraetvse"r
holds up his head, it is at church : if ever the rich

man views him with respect, it is there :" we know that certain spirit sellers in the county of Lancaster, praying for an
alteration in the duties on spirit licenses.
we have furnished the advocates of the Poor Laws,
Sir R. PEEL presented a petition front the Central Corn-
and especially the more " liberal" among them, with. mittee of the Handloom Weavers of Manchester, complaining
what they will consider an authority for preventing, if of children under 10 years of age being compelled to work in
possible, and by whatever means, the poor man from factories for 12 hours and upwards. The facts stated in the
ever setting his foot. over the threshold of a place of petition were precisely those which led him to vote for a
evival of the Bill upon the subject. As the law now stood
public worship.—Tames.
it was openly violated, and he saw no hope for the removal of
that violation, unless the Bill to which he had referred was re-
vived. The Hon. Member also presented another petition,
the prayer of which he could not support, though he felt for
the petitioners—it was from the handloom weavers, praying
for the establishment of a board of trade.
EXCISE LICENSES.
The Right Hon. BARONET also presented a petition from
Scotland, in favour of the Government measure for regu-
lating the excise licenses in Scotland.
PARISH CLERKS.
The Right Hon. BARONET said he had another petition to
present from certain parties calling themselves the Incorpo-
rated Society of Parish Clerks, stating the very great hard-
ship they would sustain by the Bill respecting the registration
of births and marriages passing without provision being
made for allowing them compensation.—( Hear, hear.) They
stated that their offices were freehold, and that many of them
had relinquished other employments in the full persuasion that
their rights would be protected, or if not, that an equivalent
would be given them. They suggested that in any measure
connected with registration, their situation would be taken into
consideration, as many of the petitioners were advanced in life
and had no other means of procuriing their subsistence. They
concluded by praying the House to take their case into their
most favourable consideration.
GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY.
Mr. A. SANDFORD moved that the amendments made
by the House of Lords, on this Bill, be agreed to.
After a few words from Mr. PRYME the motion was
agreed to.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS ACT.
On the motion of the ATTORNEY-GENERAL the
Lords' amendments in this Bill were ordered to be taken into
consideration on Friday next.
PAPER DUTIES.
Mr. HUME gave notice, that whenever the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer proposed to reduce the duties
upon paper, he would submit a motion to the effect
that a drawback be allowed on the stock in hand, agreeably
to the prayer of the petitions he was about to present.
TAXES ON KNOWLEDGE.
The Hon. MEMBER said in the mean time he would present
two petitions from Glasgow, praying for the total repeal of
the stamp duty on Newspapers.
Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN presented a petition from Galway
in favour of a system of poor-laws for Ireland.
Mr. POTTER presented two petitions for the repeal of the
duty on Newspapers.
Mr. ROEBUCK and some other HON. MEMBERS pre-
sented petitions to the same effect.
Mr. Serjeant JACKSON presented a petition from Cork,
for the better observance of the Sabbath.
Mr. WAKL EY presented 68 petitions from various towns,
boroughs, and districts in England, for the total repeal of the
stamp duty on Newspapers. In no one of them was the pro-
position of the Hon. Member for Northamptonshire ever
hinted at, and such a proposition could be considered in no
other light than as an insult to the people of England,
and he trusted it would not be sanctioned or tolerated in that
House.—( Hear, and laughter.)
Mr. HAWES presented a petition from the Mechanics
Institution of South Lambeth to the same effect.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Lord STANLEY begged to ask the Noble. Lord (J. Rus-
sell) whether it was his intention to bring in any measure on
the subject of Church rates during the present Session.
Lord J RUSSELL said that it would entirely depend on
the decision of the House of Commons as to the expediency of
appropriating any of the Church reaenues as a substitute for
Church rates. The Report of the Committee had not yet been
printed, and he did not think the opinion of this House
could be had in sufficient time to enable the Government to
bring in a measure during the present Session. His opinion
on the question remained unchanged, and if a Bill was not
introduced this Session it would early in the ensuing, one.
Mr. HUME said the country expected a definite answer
from the Government as to their intention upon this question ;
he did not think the answer of the Noble Lord would
be deemed satisfactory to the Dissenters.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was quite aware of the anxiety
which prevailed amongst the Dissenters upon this subject.
They were already in possession of his sentiments; on the
question ; and he could only repeat, that his opinion
was unchanged. Lord Althorp, when he brought in
his Bill, said that be ceuld not consent to abolish
Church rates, unless a substitute was found ; and, until
this was provided for, no measure could be brought in.
Mr. HUME said the Deans and Chapters had money
enough to form a fund for the purpose.
WAR IN SPAIN.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER having
moved the Order of the Day for the House going into Com-
mittee on the Stamp Duties.
Mr. GROVE RICE said he wished to know from the
Noble Lord opposite whether this county was one of the bel-
ligerent parties now carrying on the war in Spain ; and if so,
whether we were called parties to the war under the names of
intervention, non-intervention, or any other, had the Noble
Lord entered into any arrangements for a cartel of prisoners.
Lord PALM ERSTON said this County was acting under
engagements entered into with Spain and other Powers, under
the articles of a treaty.
Mr. J. PRICE said only one part of his question had
been answered. Was there any arrangement for a cartel of
prisoners, in case any of his Majesty's forces should have the
misfortune to fall into the hands of the opposite party ?
Lord PA LM E LISTON'S answtr was very indistinct. We
understood him to say that of course they would be entitled
to the benefit of the stipulations of Lord Elliott's treaty.
STAMP DUTIES.
The House then went into Committee—Mr. Baines in the
Chair.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then rose
and said, that on a former occasion he:had taken the liberty of
stating his general views on the subject of the reduction of
duties on Stamps. To that statement the Hon. Baronet
the Member for Lancashire expressed an intention to propose
to the House, and another proposition for the reduc-
tion of the duties on soap. On that occasion, he (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) promised to take the discussion
in such a shape as ro enable the House fairly to consider the
motion of the Hon. Baronet, and as the. House had now re-
solved itself into a Committee of the whole House, the Hon.
Baronet would be enabled to bring the subject forward.
The course which he meant to pursue on the present
that occasion was simply to move a single resolution,
it was expedient that the duty on newspapers should be
reduced from 4d., less the discount to be Id., this being a reso-
lution in committee of the whole House if his resolution
should be carried, it would become an instruction to the Com-
mittee upon the Stamp Duties Bill to make alterations
in the Bill accordingly. In tue resolution he should pre-
sently move, he reserved those disputed questions which bad
been matter of discussion between the Right Honourable
Baronet and himself. Also as to the size of the news-
papers or anything of that kind. He thought that it
was much better to deal with those questions separately,
and to bring fairly before the House the plain and intelligible
principle on which he proposed to proceed. With this object
in view, and also for the purpose of affording the Honourable
Bart., an opportunity of moving his amendment, lie would
move that the duty now payable on newspapers should be
removed, and future duty be payable on every piece of paper
whereupon a newspaper was printed a duty of Id. subject to
such provisions with respect to size of the newspaper supple-
ment and so on as may be provided by any Act passed in the
present session.
Sir C. KNIGHTLY then rose to move the amendments of
which he had given notice. A similar motion had been made
by the Hon. Member for Lincolnshire some time ago, and the
only reason alleged by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite,
for not agreeing to it at that time was, that the state of the
finances would not permit him to make so large a reduction with
safety to the public creditor. He ( Sir C. Knightley) propos-
ed that a small portion only of the duty on soap should be taken
off, and which would in his opinion be much more beneficial
than reducing the duty on Newspapers. First, it would be
greatly beneficial to the farmers, as it would increase the con-
sumption of soap, and must consequently increase the demand
for home produce, as the fat of animals was used in its
manufacture..—(Hear, hear, hear, and great laughter.)
It might be said that the farmers did not require relief, and he
( Sir C. Knightley) admitted that they were in a more pros-
perous state than they had been, but still it was only a gleam of
sunshine in the midst of their distresses.—( Ironical cheers.)
At one time when they asked relief to a large amount, they
were told it could not be granted, and now when they asked a
small boon he trusted it would not be refused.—(Opposition
cheers.) He believed there was no instance of a farmer com-
plaining of the price of newspapers ; while there was not a
farmer in England who would not rejoice at the duty being re-
duced or altogether taken off soap. If he ( Sir C. Knightley)
were to vote for the rpeal of the duty on newspapers, instead of
the duty on soap, how could be face the farmers and ask them
for a vote?—( A laugh.) Would they not point out totheir daugh-
thers and wives who could not procure clean garments on a
Sunday.—( A laugh.) In London, newspapers were abundant,
enough, and there was not a street which did not teem with
coffee-houses where the papers might be read by calling for a
cup of coffee. He had had the curiosity to send a friend into
one of them to ascertain the number of papers received there,
and it was found that they received the following.—[The Hon.
Baronet here proceeded to road a list commmencing with the
Morning Papers, then the Evening, and followed by all the
Weekly Papers, and Literary Publications down to the Penny
Magazine. The reading of the list excited much laughter.]
These papers were taken in in London, and after they were
read they were sent to all parts of England—he fancied at a
greatly reduced price—less by half. To be sure they were
rather blotted and thumbed for want of Soap.—( Loud
laughter.) But what (lid the London papers say ? Why,
the Times, the .Standard, the Morning Post, and the
Morning Herald, were on his side of the question.—( A laugh.)
and what, he would ask, was said by the papers on the other
side—the Globe. (Hear hear.) (The Honourable
Baronet here read a long extract from the Globe newspaper
derpreceting the removal of the Stamp Duties upon News-
papers.) That paper (he went on to state) was supposed to
be the 'organ of the Governrnent.—( Hear, hear, and loud
laughter.) What, on the other hand, was the opinion of those
who were enrza9-,,-1 in the soap trad,s. ? (The HoriourAble
Baronet here read an extract from a set of resolutions
passed by the Society of Soap Manufacturers, calling upon
the Chancellor of the Exchequer to reduce the duty on Soap).
One of the arguments used by the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer was, that the penny dutty would, from the great in-