The Sun.
London, England, 1814-05-17 00:00:00

ischicons country, and inittHrms to the
«i intrrcst. lie, foi one, vvisoeclior noti:ing
tNevond fiCr pritcs and fair runts: tie wt-as
de-
s us of seeing a greater degree or confidence

hetWeen landlords and tenauts, which would have
the effect of brinaing -earn•ta less prices than had
Iteett usual. thhaght that the. land, -IVen cul-
tivated, would paortuee twice as much corn as it
did: Last year had produced a most abundant
hareest, am 4 corn could now he sold so as to re-
munerate the farmer, Thirty ;billings was equal
this year to forty ia price for some
.years before.
He proceeded to read and comment on some pas-
sages from Mr. Rose's printed pamphlet, which
purported to be his speech ; but which he conais.
dared Mischievous, and a little seditious !-- (Latigh -
ing). It misrepreiented the conduct of himself
and others. The Hon. Member must surely know.
his imputations were unfounded. Coidd Ire
really believe, under ail the circumstances of late
years, and. under all the taxes which that Hon.
Gentleman had taken his share in ha posing,, that
Corn could" now bassi-own at a low price'? The
pamphlet, he repeit'ted, was very mischievous,
and a little seditious.- It attacked Landholders
unjustly,: and circulated -.unfair imputations upon
them. They were not person's who desired enor-
mous prices at the risk of starving the poor.—
(Near.)
Mr.ROsa ,said, that Air. Pitt., did cheerfully
agree to raising the price the first time ; but re-
luctantly to the higher priae.. As to the charge
of being faCtious, which was brought against
him by the lion. Gentleman, he would say, let
his whole life be taken against that of the Hon.
:Gentleman, to see who was most liable to the ap-
pellation of factious or seditious ! (Hear, hear).
it was nut the. large possessions of the Hon.
Member that should prevent his defending hint
• self against his attacks and assertions. It was
..his (Mr. R.'s) decided opinion, that the landholder '
should have b price sufficient to protect him ;
but that the iniporter also should have his protec-
tion. It was always his object to make himself
clearly understood. He had never said that corn
should not be proportioned to rent. But now
they were about to make a great alteration with-
out a proper enquiry : they had no evidence ; they
badichilyexamined three Irish Gentlemen-(Laugh).
He thought the price proposed an unfit
He would not be deterred by imputations. It
would tend to raise corn and breadimproperly.—
He would riot fOrbear to state, this in defiance of
the Hon. Gentleman.
•Mr. WESTERN. did charge the pamphlet with
mischief, but not with- sedition. Yet if -it had
been a plain, honest sedition—(tntich laughing)a--
if it had been so. he should not blame it so much
as he did. The Committee said, that Hon. Gen-
tleman recommended a measure that would pre-
vent die importation of flour—an unfair and tills-.
ehlevons representation—(Hear, hear !).—He had -
learned, .that huger quantities of grain could be
imported in an unmanttfactured than in a manu-
factured state. He was at issue:with the Hon..
.Member as to Mr. Pitt's opinion, and was psi-
. :sitive that his memory was right as to the conver-
sation. When be stated to that Minister the mea- •
slue proposed, the latter said, he thought there.
could be no opposition to it, and that the further
alteration might take place subsequently.
Mr. D. GIDDY made various remarks on the ge-
neral nature and peculiar circumstances of the
present question, which he illustrated in various
ways. Suppose (which he hoped and believed
was not the case), that oak timber would grow
better iu France than here, would it be expedient
for us to purchase our oak timber in that country?'
'He was not for encouraging our agricultural in-
ft!' tests at the expence of others ; but such was the
case, that we must either grow more corn, or,dea
pend upon other countries. The situation of agri-
culturcasvas very different in a large country thinly
peopled from such a country as this, which could
hot be expected to compete with the other more
simple state of society in the cheap productidn of
corn, Thus it appeared that we had found a
country whose interest was blended with our
own, and which- presented great resources. He
hoped we should always import greatly from Ire-
land. Considering every thing relating to this
country, we paid, after allaa cheap price. It was
impossible to obtain unanimity on the exact price.
The Chief effect he looked for .from the measure
was rather permanency than che'tpuess. Corm
could not be expected at a eery low rate, unless
by the, destruction of our manufactures, and a
revolution in our established institutions. Theta,
indeed, in a state of genetal decay, it might he
reduced in price ; hut yet, under ail the changes
that might occur, it might still be dear to many.
The CHANCELLOR of the. EXCHEQUER thought
it would certainly be for the convenience of the
House, if upon this question, which was merely
respecting the exporting of corn;- the.other ques-
tion respecting the import should not be dis-
cussell„ That part of the :subject' would come
before them regularly after the present
,was dis-
posed of.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY thought it necessary to
stare, that although the Petitions which! he had
presented filial Newcastle appeared to some per-
sons to 'convey reflections upon the motives of
those who' framed the report, the Committee
who prepared that Petition poaitively disclaimed
any such intchtion.
After a few words from Mr. IketsoN, the Bill
was real a first time, and ordered to be read a
second time on Wednesday -next.
The Cuaatcaeeou of the EYKCHEQUER then :nov-'
ed the postponement of the Order for die further
consideration of the ”,aiessages respecting Loris
Lynedock,. WI, and Beaesford, till Friday next. .
Sir C. I.lloNota observed, that 2000/. per annum,
which was the pension given in such cases' 30
years ago, was not more than 30001. per =nun
at the present day.
Mr. Islusaissoa' then moved the Order of the
Pay for taking luta consideration the other re-
soktinh respecting the import of Cara.
• Lotd A. HAMILTON said, that he should not
oppose this measure, if he could persuade himself
e4ect from it such effects aa the framers of the
BeSOlittiop
,loped. -He thought the question had
hitherto laeen considered more with reference to
agriculture than to other great iuterests,
which eqtrally.., demanded our attention. It ap-
peared tosthim impossible that, while this country ,
was so great a manufacturing country as it now is,