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opposite had said, that the greatest disgust prevailed in the
county of Kent reepecting.the Reform Bill.
Sir C. WETHERELL spoke only in reference to the
management of the boroughs of Kent.
Mr. HODGES had misunderstood the Member for
Boroughbridge. He was sorry that he was not able to
deny that the greatest disgust did prevail in Kent
(Cheers from the Opposition)—but then the disgust was
altogether occasioned by the unnecessary delay of the pro.
cress of the Bill. - Sure he was, that if the people of Eng-
land were again compelled to bring their minds to the
consideration of the question of Reform, the present pro-
position would be replaced by republicanism.—(llear.)
A MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, said it
eves well known that a great jealousy existed between the
intiebitants of Chatham and the inhabitants of Rochester;
and if the present proposition were acceded to that jea-
lousy would be much increased.
Mr. HUNT begged to st Ae why he should, on the
pieotnt occasion, vote against his Majesty's Ministets. If
the present proposition were carried, Rochester and
Chatham would constitute a Government nomination bo-
rough ; and, what would be worse, two independent
Members would he turned out. He had no objection
whatever to giving Chatham one or two Members. As
to dividing Rochester and Chatham, nothing could be more
ea-y than to accomplish that object by the assistance of
the pat ish officers.
Mr. CHOKER thought that the fact mentioned by the
Hon. Member for Kent was decisive ; namely, that the
people of Chatham were so far from wanting a Member
to themselves, that they liked the present arrangement.
Why? Because they knew they should return both the
Alembers.
Mr. MILLS observed that every man in Rochester must
be convinced that his right of elective franchise was gone if
Chatham were united to Rochester. It was a piece of
gross and glaring injustice.
Lord MILTON maintained that the only question
which the Committee had to decide was, not what was best
for Rochester, or Chatham, or any other particular place,
but what was best for the people of England. It was the
rights of the people at large, and not the rights of
the inhabitants of Rochester or Chatham that were
to be considered. He had been astonished to hear
his Right Hon. Friend, the Member for Montgomery, say
that the Bill appeared to him to be more like a Bill of dis-
franchisement than enfranchisement. That was to con-
tend that the elective tights of the people of England were
held, not for the general, but for particular benefit ; for
the benefit of the great community of England. The question
was, whether on the banks of the Medway there should
be two boroughs of a moderate size subject to influence, or
one so large that it would be independent ?
Mr. GOULBURN was at a loss to understand how the
proposition of the Noble Lord to disfranchise Rochester
could be any benefit to the people of England. The
Noble Lord who had just spoken bad argued that they
should not attend to the rights of particular places; and
yet, on the other hand, it was maintained that the elective
franchise was a favour and a privilege ; and ought not to
be withdrawn without a case of great necessity. But the
Noble Lord said he would rather see on the banks of the
-Medway one large borough returning two Members, than
two boroughs returning one each. Had the Noble Lord
forgotten, that on the banks of the Tyne there was by the
Bill, one borough returning two Members, and one re-
turning one ? Had the Noble Lord forgotten North and
South Shields ? But when they dealt with the county of
Durham they were called upon to act on one principle,
and when they dealt with the county of Kent they were
rolled upon to act on another principle.
Lord MILTON had not forgotten the banks of the
Tyne. The population of Newcastle and Gateshead to-
gether was, however, more than double the population of
Chatham and Rochester altogether.
Mr. WYNN remarked, that if private rights were
not to be preserved, they might at once discuss the right
of the fathers of the Noble Lords to their seats elsewhere.
Lord MILTON said, that in the present case it was not
proposed to take away rights ; it was only proposed that
those rights should be exercised in conjunction with others.
X'ar. CROKER observed, that what was proposed was
what had in former cases been called by the Noble Lord
opposite " sluiceing" a borough.
• Mr. WYNN asked if it had not been considered a
punishment of cerruption to open a borough to the
hundred?
Mr. DUNCOMBE could not sit still and bear his
friend Lord Durham traduced. The plain English of the
insinuations thrown out against his Noble Friend was,
that he had used his influence in the Cabinet, from inte-
rested motives, to add a representative to the county of
Durham, to the prejudice of other places in England. If
that was the English of what bad fallen from the late
Chancellor of the Exchequer on the subject, if it were
meant to make such an assertion as that, such an asser-
tion he was ready to meet with a flat and direct contra-
diction.—(Hear, bear.) If by that cheer it were in-
tended by a side-wind to confirm the imputation, he
would pronounce it a base end wicked calumny.—(Loud
cries of " Order, order.")
Colonel PEEL called the Hon. Gentleman to order,.
and appealed to the Chair whether that was allowable
language.
The CHAIRMAN was sure the Hon. Member for Ilea-
ford would be aware, on a moment's reflection, that in the
line of argument he had pursued, Le was not quite exer-
cising a sober discretion.
Mr. DUNCOMBE was quite sober and discreet, and in-
tended what be had said.
(Here there were the loudest shouts of " Order ! order !
order !"" Chair, chair ! chair !")
Colonel PEEL observed that this was an aggravation of
the lion. Gentletnan's original statement.
Sir R. INGLIS was beginning to address the Com-
mittee, but
Sir H. HARDINGE spoke to order. He did not intend
to throw any imputation on the Noble Lord in question ;
but if they looked at the comparative state of Newcastle
and Gateshead, and Rochester and Chatham, they must
feel that there were strong reasons for uniting the two
former rather than the two latter ; and—(" Order!")
The CHAIRMAN observed that an Hon. Member was
addressing the Committee when the Gallant Officer rose to
order. The Gallant Ofheer could not go into any discussion.
Sir IL HARDINGE said his object was the amicable
one of proving to the lion. Member fur Hertford, that he
hid no intention to throw any imputation on his Noble
Friend ; but that be seeiscientiously thought that the case
of Gateshead was an indefensible one.
Sir R. INGLIS spoke to order. The Hon. Member
fur Hertford had used the words base calumny ;" upon
which the Chairman told the Hon. Member be was sure
if he exercised his sober discretion, he would not pursue
such a line of remark ; .but the Hon. Member far ger t,
ford declared be wise in the exercise of Isis sober discretion;
and thereby, instead of Apologising to the Committee or
to the Hon. Member against 'whom the observation was
directed, virtually repeated his statement.—(Hear, hear.)
lie ( Sir R. Inglis) begged to know front the Chairman
what was the law of the House under such circumetaocea.
The CHAIRMAN said that during the little experieoce
which lie had in his present office, be had frequently lis-
tened with pain to expressions which were certainly not
justifiable. It was not only of late, but it was for years
that he bad observed the difficult situation of the Member
who filled the Chair, when called upon to interfere. It
was a very unpleasant task, He was sure, however, that
what had fallen from his Hon. Friend the Honourable
Member for Hertford, bad escaped from him in the beat
and hurry of argument ; and as they all knew his Hon.
Friend could not mean to violate the rules and owiees of
the House, he was sure he would have no difficulty in ex-
plaining.
Mr. DUNCOMBE declared that nothing should induce
him to retract the sentiment which be had uttered, until
that which had produced it had been withdrawn. When
he put into plain English the speech of the Right Hon.
Gentleman—when he said that it meant that Lord Dur-
ham used his influence in the Cabinet to add a representa-
tive to the county of Durham, to the prejudice of other
places in England—he appealed to the Chairman whether
that statement lied not been cheered by the other side of
the House ? 'When he heard it so cheered, he went on to say
that it was a wicked and false insinuation. Ike cared not
what penalty he might incur.—(Order.) If that penalty
Were imposed upon him for speaking the truth, by that
truth he was nevertheless ready to abide.—(Loud cries of
hear,
hear, and order, order.)
Mr. WYNN presumed that the Hon. Member for Hert-
ford only intended to ex press himself strongly, ecel that he
did not mean to violate the rules of the House as welt as
that
the rules of gentlemanlyint intercourse.
Lord ALT HORP observeede,utsea.
mustiuld tee all be desir-
ous that as little personality as
intro-
duced into their proceedings. Wliots theyl e
thsib regardoto tho fact, it
it were meant to say that his Noble Friend had been in-
fluenced by interested motives in pia conduct on theeul-
ject, he concurred with the Hon. Member for Hertford in 1
denying the charge in the strongest and most indignant
terms.—( Hear, hear.) But lie was quite satiated that
the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite did not intend to ad-
vance any serious charge of that nature.
for He therefore
submitted to his lion. Friend, the Member Hertf
that lie was not justified in using the expressiu ld onsat hence
ich
had fallen from him, and therefore, that he sho
say that they were hasty, and not intended to convey what
they imported.
Mr. DUNCOMBE said, that if the Rio
lJt Hon. Geogr.,-

man opposite would get up and say that he did not mean
it cast any imputation on his Noble Friend, he—(Cries of
:‘ Hear, hear, hear—Order, order, order—Chair, chair,
,:hair," which lasted for several minutes)—
Sir H. HARDINGE observed, that the question seemed
to be whether, when strong language was used, the Chair
sherds] be supported in checking it ?
Mr. DUNCOMBE repeated, that unless the Right Hon.
Gentleman disclaimed any imputation on his Noble Friend,
he (Mr. Duncombe) should retain his opinion—(Another
loud Insist of " Order, order, order—Chair, chair, chair.")
Colonel LINDSAY said, that the Hon. Member seemed
determined to act in defiance to the general feeling of the
Committee. He did not think that his Right Hon. Friend
had uttered any insinuation which he was called upon to
explain.
Mr. JOHN STANLEY begged to remark, that he
believed the Hon. Member fur Hertford put the case hypo-
thetically. Now, so putting it, was it not competent to him
is express his own opinion ? Was it net competent to the
lion. Member to express his indignation against all who
imputed interested motives against his Noble Friend, "if"
they actually imputed such motives ?
Sir C. WETHERELL. observed, that all that he heard
his Right Hon. Friend say was, that a different rule was
acted upon in the county of Durham from that which was
acted upon in the county of Kent.
Mr. DUNCOMBE said that the silence of the Right
lion. Gentleman confirmed the inference which he (Mr.
Duncombe) had drawn from his observations.—(Order.)
Mr. FRANKLAND LEWIS was sure that the whole
affair originated in an entire misapprehension.—(Hear,
hear, hear.) The House called on the Hon. Member for
Hertford, to act with discretion on the occasion. If, in
the heat of his ardour for Reform, the Hon. Gentleman
had allowed himself to violate the rules of sober discus-
sion, he must not permit any punctilious notions of a sup-
posed honour to prevent him from retracting expressions,
the use of which in the debates of that House must dimi-
nish the public respect, by showing that their delibera-
tions were not carried on in a proper state of mind ; but
were accompanied by a heat and violence which indicated
incapacity of judgment. If the Hon. Member really did
believe that the Right Hon. Gentleman had asserted a
wicked and false calumny, he ought to call upon the Right
Hon. Gentleman to state what it was he did say, and to
have it taken down ; and if it appeared not to bear such
an interpretation, the Chairman was bound to state to
the Hon. Member that expressions such as he lad used
could not be tolerated.
Lord MILTON thought that his Hon. Friend who had
just spoken had gone rather beyond the point at issue.
When the Right Hon. Gentleman spoke of the difference
of the principle which operated upon the banks of the
Tyne and the busks of the Medway, he (Lord Milton) did
not apprehend that the Right Hon. Gentleman threw out
any imputation on Lord Durham of using his influence
in the Cabinet for the purpose of promoting his personal
interests ; and it did not appear to him (Lord Milton) to
be necessary that the Hon. Member for Hertford should
infer what was passing in the mind of the Right Hon.
Gentleman when he made that remark. If that were so,
then it was evident that the expressions of the lion.
Member for Hertford were too hastily uttered. Why,
therefore, could not the Right Hon. Gentleman repeat
what he had said ?
Mr. CROKER observed, that the language used by the
lion. Member for Hertford was applied to the statement of
a former evening.
Mr. WYNN contended, that it was contrary to all rule
to call upon the Right Hon. Gentleman to explain, except
immediately after the words complained of had been ut-
tered and taken down.
On the Right Hon. Gentleman resuming his seat, there
were loud calls for Mr. Duncombe and Mr. Western, who
rose at the same time. After some contusion,
Mr. WESTERN went on to say that he wished to call
the attention of the House to the words used by the Hon.
Member for Hertford, after he had been called to order.
The Hon. Member said, that if the Right lion. Gentle-
man meant to assert that Lord Durham had used his in-
fluence improperly, then he met that assertion with a
direct contradiction. If, however, the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman insinuated that the Lord Privy Seal had done so
and so, then, putting it hypothetically, he said the insinua-
tion was what he described it—calumnious.
Mr. I'. DUNCOMBE was much obliged to the Hon.
Gentleman. The Hon. Member for Radnor had called
him to order, but be hoped he knew what was due to the
House, as well as what was due to his own person„—
(Hear, hear! order, order ! chair, chair.)
Mr. FRANKLAND LEWIS rose to order. We only
understood him to say, amidst much confusion, that he
threw himself on the House.--(Order,—much confusion.)
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE was not to be precluded from
knowing what was due to the House and himself, and
from defending his own person. lie referred to the re-
collection of the Committee as to what he had stated.—
(Hear, hear.) He had said that if the Right Hon:
Gentleman bad imputed to the Noble Lord (the Lord
Privy Seal) that he had directly used his influence to
give a partial character to the Reform Bill, he would
meet that imputation with a direct contradiction ; but
if the Right Hon. Gentleman only insinuated, then he
said that the insinuation was a gross and unfounded ca-
lumny.--(Hear, hear, order, order, chair chair, and much
tumult.) lie had put it hypothetically, as the only way
to make him rett act was, for the Right Hon. Gentleman
to get up.—(Chair, chair, and order.) Would the House
allow bins to prove—(lncreased calls of chair and order
stopped the Hon. Gentleman)—and
Lord MILTON rose to order. He did not rise to call
his lion. Friend to order—(Hear bear)—but the lion.
Gen lemen who called " order, and chair," so loudly,
that they would not allow his Hon. Friend to proceed;
and he had his eye particularly on the Hon. Member for
the borough of Eye.—(Cheers and a laugh.)
Mr. BURGE said, the Noble Lord had assumed the
jurisdiction of the House, and he was extremely glad to
ate it fall into such good hands ; but at the same time he
could not, out of deference to the Noble Lord, forget what
was due to the Committee, to which alone he was respell-
sible.—( Hear, hear.) What induced him to call " chair,
chair !" was, that the language used by the Hon. Member
for Hertford,• was repeated and persisted in, after the
Chalr, supported by the House, had declared that such
language was disorderly ; and he did not think the order
of the Committee or the dignity of the House could be
maintained sinless the decision of the Chair was enforced.
The Hon. Member had committed an offence against the
Committee and against the House, and he was bound to
set himself right.—(Cheers.) Till the expressions wet e
retracted—till he had explained them to the satisfaction of
the Committee, restoring the freedom of debate to the
House, he could not be allowed to discuss the question of
the general merits of the Bill.—(" Order," " Chair," and
cheers.)
M. CUTLAR FERGUSSON thought that what the
lion. Member had stated did not justify him in calling
" Chair, chair." It was for the Hon. Member in the
chair to determine whether the Hon. Member had given
a satisfactory explanation to the House. The lion. Mem-
ber bad given an explanation of his words, and if that
were cot received, it would be the first time in that
House that 844 an explanation was not accepted in the
sense in which it was givep. The Hon. Member had put
the case hypothetically, and if the Hon. and Learned
Member did not understand the distinction, it was not
the f..e.slt of the lion. Member for Hertford. The Hon.
and Learee.ii Member was the only person who did not
understand the slistinetion. He would repeat what the
lion. Member had stated. He said that if the Right
lion. Gentleman asserted that Lord Durliesn had used his
issfuence for an improper purpose, he met that assertion
with a ?.irect denial ; if he insinuated that, he had de-
nounced the irseiepetion as a calumny. The insinuation
was cheered, and he stro4?d add that if the cheers were
meant to support the insinuatioa, they were only a con-
tieeetion of that system of calumny which was persisted
in from day to day against the character of the Noble Lord
and against the character of his Majesty's Ministers.—
(Cheers, and order, cribs.)
Sir H. HARDINGE was satisfied that the Hon. and
Learned ,Member, as a peace-maker, had not succeeded,
That wail net to be accomplished by insinuations against
that side of the house', He said the course pursued this
evening was but a part of a gee.eral system. He had him-
self used words respecting Qateshead quite as strong as
his Right lion. Friend. His Right Hon. Friend was the
last man to nse etropg words unnecessarily ; and he was
surprised the Hon. Member for Hertford had not before
found fault with the words; need as to Gateshead, particu-
larly by himself and the Right Hon. Member for Tam-
weeth. He knew Gateshead well, and should tae the
same expeeseions as he had used before, whenever the sub-
ject was broached. When the lion. Member for Hertford
asked his Right Hun. klriersd, echo had been aggrieved, to
take the first step to a reconciliation, lie was asking what
was imposalle, lie would ask the Hop Mernbee, there-
fore, as his Right Hon; Friend could not make the ad-
micsion required of him, whether he would make this a
question of obstinacy? He put it to the Hon. Member,
as a candid maim of honour, whether an admission from
him would not be the beet way to get the House out of the
difficulty ?
AbleßoEfrensst offended hadthe not
glsiatidlaiosnii.igGleenwtolermd Gentleman
that effect. How then was he to know that lie d was
offended? If the Committee were offended,
liecoulsay
that be list] not intended to say anything unpatliamentary•

or uncivil.—(A laugh.) If the assertions were conti-
nued—if the insinuations Were repeated, he should• know
what course to pursue. The Right Hon. Gentleman saw
that it was not a question of influence, and he had shown
from the, population of Gateshead that such insinuations
as had been thrown out were unfounded. The Right Hon.
and Gallant Officer had asked why he had not alluded to
the subject, when Gateshead was before mentioned ? Hie
answer was, that Gateshead was a proper subject for dis-
cussion ; and he had not heard any assertion direct against
the Lord Privy Seal. To-night, however, on a discussion
about Rochester, Gateshead had been brought forward, as
it was said that a different rule of representation had been
applied to Durham and to Kent. He translated this—.
(Cheers)—and his translation was confirmed by cheers.
He put his resolution hypothetically, and hypothetically
he would repeat it, if necessary. No influence possessed
by the Noble Lord, the Privy Seal, should ever be taken
from him for such illiberal insinuations, as long as he had
a voice in that House.—(Question—Order.)
Mr. C. WYNN—The question was, whether the Hon.
Member who bad been called to order was in order or not.
The lion. Member proceeded to address the House,
amidst much confusion, about the point of order ; but as
the House would scarcely listen to the Right Hen. Gentle-
man, we were prevented from hearing him. Time Right
lion. Member contended that the Hon. Member was out
of order. .
Lord STORMONT wished to put an end to the discus.
sion, by calling on the Chairman to declare whether the
Hon. Member was out of order or not. He called on the
Chairman to state his opinion, and to put an end to the
dispute, which was not much conducive to the dignity of
the House.—(Loud cries of question and order, and
much confusion.)
The SPEAKER, who spoke from the floor, and on the
Treasury side of the House, said, no Member of the Com-
mittee concurred more heartily than he did in what fell
from the Noble Lord, or was more anxious that this dis-
cussion should terminate. He expressed this opinion with
the greater eagerness, as, from his experience in that
House, he could say that lie never found questions of dis-
order either mitigated or simplified, or brought readier to
a conclusion, by being elongated. He was not present in
the Committee when the discussion arose ; but since he
came down stairs, he had heard sufficient from the gentle-
men who had discussed the point, to satisfy him that the
feeling nourished by en interpretation given to the expres-
sion was never intended. It he were called upon to de-
cAe, he could nut say that the expression was offen-
sive, as the Hon. Member fur Hertford stood. The
Right. Hon. Gentleman had made no complaint of
the language used ; the offence of disorder, there-
fore, was against the Committee. Since he had been
able to collect the purport of what had been said, the
question, whether that were disorderly or offensive which
gave rise to the discussion, depended on its being put
hypothetically or not. As it was hypothetically put, that
negatived the personal offence. Whether the Hon. Mem-
ber for Hertford had offended the Committee or not by
his hypothetical statements, he had in his last speech ex-
pressed his regret that, entertaining that hypothese, he
had been led to give utterance to any expressions which
gave offence to the Committee, and thus the hypothese
that lie hail was negatived. He repeated that he agreed
fully with what fell from the Noble Lord, ai.d which he
had set out by stating. If the Hon. Member for Hert-
ford was aware that he took offence without cause, he
should say that the proceeding was disorderly; but when
the Hon. Member for Hertford admitted, as he had, that
it was not properly. applied, he must deprecate the con-
tinuation of a discussion which could only lead to exaspe-
ration ; and if enabled then to get rid of one difficulty,
would, if continued, they might depend upon it, lead
them into inure difficulties.—(Cheers, loud calls of "ques-
tion," and " divide.")
The House then divided, when there appeared—
Ayes O-).
Noes l5O
Majority -1e,41
On our-re-entering the House we found
Sir CHARLES WETHERELL on his legs, objecting,
as we understood, to the union between Sandwich and the
neighbouring towns.
Mr. MARRYATT stated that the allegations in the pe-
tition the Hon. and Learned Member had referred to were
confused—Ramsgate was seven miles from Sandwich, Deal
four, and Margate nine.
After some farther conversation between Sir C. WE-
THERELL, Mr. MARRYATT, and Lord ALTHORP, the ques-
tion was put and carried.
Lord ALTHORP, in this stage of the Bill, thought
it right to propose that the parish of Christchurch, part of
which was actually e ithin the limits of Southwark, should
be added to that borough, together with the liberty of
the Clink.
Mr. CROKER repeated his objections to such unions.
Sir C. WETHERELL said that the farce of this Bill
ought very properly to be applied to the liberty within
which the oldest playhouse in London was situated. —(Sir
C. Wetherell was mistaken on this matter of history, for
the Globe theatre was not built until 159 k, while there
were two playhouses in Moorfields as early as 1576.)
Mr. CALVERT said that the proposal of the Noble
Lord would be highly acceptable in the district to which
it applied.
The question was then put and agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN now arrived at the sixth clause and its
schedule F, and
Mr. WYNN proposed that it should be postponed, but
the House was generally in favour of proceeding with the
Bill.
Mr. F. LEWIS referred to the location of part of the
parish of Presteigne within the county of Hereford, and
proposed that it should be excepted from the operation of
this clause, which applied only to the pm incipality of Wales.
Mr. KNIGHT urged the same point.
Mr. WYNN complained of the wide area the clause went
over in order to obtain contributory boroughs in Wales.
Colonel WOOD adverted to the fact apparent from re-
turns on the table, that there were only 120 houses in
Radnorshire rated at above 101. a year. The effect of the
Bill would therefore be very much to limit the constituency.
Lord ALTHORP admitted that the clause required a
great deal of consideration, and that some alterations would
be necessary ; those Ministers were prepared to make.
Mr. WYNN contended, that according to the prece-
dent set with respect to the English counties, the Welch
counties ought to have two Members a-piece, which, how-
ever, was not the case, with the exception of Glamorgan-
shire. Either the Welch counties ought to be raised to
the level of the English counties, or the English comities
reduced to the level of the Welch counties.
Lord MILTON thought, that the giving additional
Members to some of the larger counties of Wales was well
deserving the attention of the Committee. He also hoped
that the Government would seriously consider the propriety
of separating the borough constituency from the county
constituency, which in Wales in particular would have the
effect of handing over the Welch counties to a few large
landed proprietors.
Mr. DIXON said, that though he should support time
Reform Bill in all its stages, yet he gave the Ministers no-
tice that they must not expect to pass the Scotch Refortn
Bill very easily, unless they consented to give Scotland more
Members than were at present proposed.
Lord ALTHORP thought that the county constituency
of Wales was more numerous than his Right H'um. Friend
seemed to think would be the case under the 10/. qua-
lification.
The CHAIRMAN then read the introductory clause of
schedule F ; upon which,
On time motion of Lord ALTHORP, the House resumed,
and the CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained leave
to sit again this day.
The SrEAKER, having resumed the Chair, alluded to a
misunderstanding which had occurred in the Committee.
He regretted that the views which he had then explained
to the Committee, did not receive that general assent which
should leave no doubt upon the minds of Hun. Gentlemen
that the explanations made had been completely satisfac-
tot y, and that all remembrance of what had passed would
be obliterated. He was sure that the view which he had
taken would not compromise any man, but was consistent
with the dignity of the House, and the honour of indi-
vidual Members, both which he had always studied to
maintain.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord ALTHORP expressed the unanimous feeling of
the House, when he bore testimony to the manner in which
the Speaker had always maintained the freedom of debate,
and the dignity of time House; at time same time that lie
preserved unstained and untarnished the honour of every
Mernber—(Hear, hear)-,,anti he had no doubt that his
conduct on the occasion referred to had had the stone effect
as it had on all similar occasions.—(Dear.) Language had
certainly been used cn that occasion which lie (Lord A.)
very much regretted to hear ; but as it had since been ex-
plained that such language had been used only hypotheti-
cally, and without any intention to give offence, that apo-
logy appeared to him to be satisfactory, and he trusted it
had been so received.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir G. MURRAY bore testimony to the impartiality
and dignity with which the Speaker had always acted—
(Hear, hear)—and he thought that if any thing remained
to be regretted, it was that the Speaker had not been pre-
sent at the commencement of the conversation now referred
to. He concurred with time. Noble Lord in believing that
the apology which had been given was satisfactory.
The House then went into a Cominittee on the Duchess
of Kent's Annuity Bill.
Mr. BUMF. asked whether, in the event of the pri,„

cess Victoria's death, the same annuity would be continued
to the Duchess of Kent, which was now given avowedly
for the education of the Princess?
Lord 4LTHORP was understood to say that he thought
the Bill was sufficiently expressive upon that point.
Mr. HUME again asked whether the same provision
would be continued to the Duchess, should the Princess
Victoria cease to be presumptive heir to the throne, in con-
stquence of the King having children ?
Lord ALTHORP would take the subject under con-
' sideration between that time and the bringing up of the
Report.
The Report was then ordered to be brought up this day