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London, England, 1836-06-04 00:00:00

RAILROAD BILI.S.

The Marquis of CLANRICARDE seeing a certain Rail-
road Bill on the table which had been there for some time,
Wished to know from the promoters of the Bill whether it was
their intention to move it a further stage ? He was anxious
that it should be passed to. night, and receive the Royal assent
.
• Monday.
The Duke of WELLINGTON wished to say a few
words. He had certainly a very strong feeling respecting
411 Railroads. He wished they might be all successful,
but at the same time it was desirable they should not be per-
petual monopolies established in the country. Under these
circumstances be certainly thought it would be desirable to
insert in all Railway Bills some clause to enable the
Government and Parliament to revise the enactments
of those Bills at some future period.—( Hear, hear.)
BY permitting certain of those measures to be carried into exe-
etttion great injustice had been done to many land proprietors
lit the country, and they had been forced to submit to great
inconvenience, and incur very large expense both in that and
th pother House of. Parliament.—( Hear, hear.) He had bad
uner his consideration for some days a scheme, whereby those
Railroad Bills might be lrought under the serious
consideration of Parliament at some future period,
and he was anxious that other proceedings upon those Bills
should be postponed for a short time, in order that lie might
Mature some measure or clause on the subject.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE perfectly concurred in what bad
fallen from the Noble Duke. He would propose that the Re-
Port of all, Railroads ought to be printed, and a short time
suffered to elapse before the third reading.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE concurred in almost
all that had fallen from the Noble Duke, but this Bill had
Pained through the other House, and so far through the Lords
Without opposition. It might be allowed to pass to night, when
it 'tied become the law of the land on Monday; if that oppor-
tunity was loit, it might not do so for a long time. The pro-
Posed measure would, he apprehended, be a general measure,
d would equally affect those Bills which had passed, as well as
hose in progress. He would not press his motion against the
feeling of the House, but, under the circumstances, he hoped it
'sight ,be allowed to be read a third time.
The Doke of WELLINGTON said the Noble Marquis
Was wrong. It would be impossible to make the measure re-
trospective. after this Bill had become the law of the land
The sbareholde.ts could have a vested interest which Parlia-
Ment could not touch.
Viscount MELBOURL TE agreed in the general principles
'aid down by the Noble Duke, but still the matter was one of
difficulty. It was necessary that Parliament should take care
the spirit of monopoly should be checked. The Government
would be alive to the subject, and provide such a remedy as lay
la their power.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY hoped the law which
Was .now proposed would be made retrospective ; otherwise
those Bills which bad passed already would have a great ad-
tentage ever others.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH thought the best plan would
'm to appoint 3 Select Committee to consider the whole sub-
ject. It would trot be possible to make a retrospective law.
Lord HOLLAND thought the best and most proper plan
to adopt would be, after the House had agreed upon a clause, to
tinsert it in one Bill, and then make a standing order that it
be inserted in all future Railway Bills.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH did not think that that plan
Would be a proper one. Some Railways would be content with
k lease of 25 years, when others might require 35. It would
be better not to fix one absolute rule. •
.Mr. BERNAL, and others front the Commons, brought up
4 Cop.:, of the Report of the Select Committee on the Leith
and Newhaven Railway, and several other Bills.
BISHOPRIC OF DURHAM BILL.
Upon the motion for the House to resolve itself into a Com-
Thittee on the ?:lishoprie of Durham Bill,
The marquis 9f LANSDOWNE thought, for the sake
4.Preveating any um.ecessary delay, the Bill might be allowed
Pass through Committee, and time could then be given for
"e brought
other clauses.relefine• to that Court, which might
brought up on the third reZling.
, Lord LYNDHURST, from inquiries lie bad made, found
teat the Court was one of exceeding great advantage to the
cconty.
Some conversation then ensued, in which the Marquis of
Lansdowne, the Marquis of Londonderry, and Lord Lynd-
hurst joined, the rest;lt of which was that the plan proposed
'Or furthering the progress of the Bill by the Noble Marquis
(Lansdowne) was nut in accordance with the Standing Order
Of the House.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY could riot permit the
gill;L to go into Committee without directing the attention of
their Lordships to the constitution of the Courts of Pleas and
the Court of Chanceiy in the county of Durham. His Noble
Friend ( Wellington) when he last spoke on the subject said
that the separation of the Courts was recommended by the
Ecclesiastical Commission. Now the fact was that the only
Isariner in which the Commission alluded to the separation of
h,° Courts was by stating that Lord Melbourne had said that
Noble
Majesty was favourable to the proposed measure. The
ble Marquis then went on to observe that the Courts were
0'
immense advantage to the inhabitants of the county, in
them
them to sue for and obtain payment of debts due to
....neM at a much less expense than in the Courts at Weatnain-
7r. It was on these grounds that he should oppose the so.
a/ration.
The Duke of WELLINGTON had stated on the occasion
alluded to by the Noble Marquis, that he had been a party to
recommending his Majesty to appoint this Commission, and
that he consequently considered himself in duty bound to sup-
port the measures it recommended. The Noble Marquis
dOuglit that be (the Duke of Wellington) had deserted and
)PiPpointed him. If he had deserted or disappointed the
Zoble Marquis, he must have made some engagement with the
"Gide Marquis to sttpport his view of the subject ; but he
COuld assure the House tilat he never had one word of conver-
sation with the Noble Marquis on the subject.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY explained.
After a few words from the Archbishop of CA NTERBURY and
the Bishops of EXETER and GLouczsTaa, tha House resolved
Itself into a Committee.
The Bill passed through Committee, and was reported with
Saltakudments to the House. The report to be received on
mondcv next.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, JuNE 3.
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before 4 o'clock.
• IRISH MUNICIPAL REFORM.
The SHEIOFF of London appeared at the Bar, and presented
s'ek.ition from the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common
Outioll assembled, praying the House to pass a measure for
brporatz. Reform in Ireland, based on the provisions of the
for the Reform of Corporations in England and Wales.
Mr. WooD-rnottee, the town-clerk of the city of London,
libented•a Return of .the Police force employed by the city
1:4 London.
IPSWICH ELECTION.
of the Officers of the Court of King's Bench presented
oPisof affi lavits relating to cases of bribery in the borough
Pswich.
Lord W. BENTINCK presented the Report of the Corn-
utittet on the Clyde Navigation Bill.
GLASGOW BRIDGE BILL.
ti,,,(3n the motion of Mr. OSWALD this Bill was read a third
-"it' and passed.
WESSENDEN RESERVOIR.
BLACKBURNE brought up the Report of the Corn-.
Itteo on this Bill.
4IANCHESTER AND CHESTER JUNCTION
RAILWAY.
t±lr• B. .WILBRAHAM brought up the Report of the
-Itnittee on this Bill.
LIVERPOOL DOCKS.
13,,,111.- M. PHILLIPPS presented a petition from the Cham-
of Commerce -of Manchester, complaining of the present
iiitessive rate of dues exacted by the Liverpool Dock Com-
ity.
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m- SOUTHAMPTON WATER-WORKS.
tr 4 tisr• DOTTIN brought lip the Report of the Committee
"e Southampton Waterworks.
iNrEWPORT AND MONMOUTH HARBOUR.
Co WROTTESLEY brought up the Report of the
eotittee on the Newport and Monmouth Harbour.
04STOI, DAMAGES COMPENSATION BILL.
the motion of Mr. MILES the ristol D
triPensetion Bill was read a third time and passed.amages
„ IA A ~,-,, FACTORY BILL.
”tra • presented a petition from the worsted spin-
Prad)f Bradford, signed by a large number of manufacturers,
11 ('"g that children JO years of age may be allowed to work
of thurs a day in factories ; also a petition from the spinners
Parish of liJleagh, praying that children 0 years of
frqmlll'ght. be allowed' to 'cork 6 hours a day ; also a petition
ti'e Flax Spinners of Leeds, prAying, that the Factory
peticl'w before Parliament may ;,!1 passel into a law. The
ety„"°ners stated that although they did not coo44er then-.
itie'Llrl-erests sufficiently protected by it, y« from the ar!leral
deri'ltts introduced by the Right lion. Gentleman, the vre3l-
- Board of Trade, all the objects w#4014 Ittt PCOITI-
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44:1.:a1
ns on the same subject were presented by- Mr. BLAPg
Ito Nr. HAany, and anotber film, Member.

Major M‘NANI ARA presented petitio is from two parishe*
in the county of Clare, praying for the total abolition of tithes.
Sir W. GEARY presented a petition, praying for an altera-
tion in the,law of landlord and tenant.
Mr. Sergeant WOULFE presented a petition from Cashel,
praying for a reduction in the Church Establishment. In a
district of sixteen parishes, attached to which there was an in
come of 7,9171. there were at present only two Protestant
Clergymen by whom the entire spiritual duty of the district
was efficiently performed, although the number of Clergymen
was formerly ten or twelve ; and the petitioners instanced this
as a proof of how much the Protestant Church Establishment
might be reduced without impairing its usefulness.
Mr. BLACKBURNE .presented a petition from the
Trustees of a Turnpike Road in the West Riding of York-
shire, against the Turnpike Act Amendment Bill.
Mr. BOWES complained that the South Durham Railway
Committee had not re-assembled, according to the directions
of the House.
Mr. PEASE said the Committee had been quite ready
to meet on the first day of the sitting of the House after the
recess, but the parties to the Bill had come to some under-
standing for the printing of the evidence, which rendered
delay unavoidable. They however would meet, in compli-
ance with the orders of the House, very early next week, in
order to consider their Report.
Mr. LUCAS presented a petition from the Rector. and
Curate and other inhabitants of Monaghan, praying for pro-
tection to the Sabbath and the prevention of drunkenness.
Also a similar petition from the.seceding congregation of the
same town to the same effect.
IRISH CORPORATIONS.

Mr. TURNER presented a petition from Blackburne, pray-
ing the House not to agree with the Corporation (Irish) Bill
as sent down by the House of Lords, and not to agree to any
measure which is not of equal extent with those passed for
Scotland and England.
Dr. BOWRING could assure the House that the whole
district near Blackburne were roused upon this question, and
were waiting with much anxiety to see what that House would
do with the Bill.
*Mr.' HENRY GRATTAN presented twelve petitions from
different parts of Ireland, praying for the total abolition of
tithes, and in favour of the Irish Corporation Bill as sent
up to the House of Lords. The last petition was from
the High Sheriff and inhabitants of the county of
Meath. He m'ght state as a fact, that the moment
the people of that county heard of the Bill, they
saddled their horses and attended the meeting, and Sir Wil-
liam Somerville, who had formerly opposed the Repeal of the
Union, in consequence of the conduct pursued by the Lordt,
declared that he would support it.
PAPER DUTIES.

Mr. GROTE presented a petition from the persons en-
gaged in the paper trade in the city of London, praying that
the reduction of duty on paper might be accompanied by a
drawback equivalent to the stock in hand.
IRISH CORPORATIONS.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL presented a petition from Kil-
larney in support of the Government measure on the Tithe
question, and praying the House not to adopt the amendments,
as they were called, made by the Lords in the Municipal Cor-
porations (Ireland) Act.
Mr. AINSWORTH presented a petition from Bolton in
favour of Municipal Reform for Ireland, and praying the
House not to concur in any measure of Reform that did not
recognise the principles of popular elections in Ireland.
EXTINCTION OF TITHES.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented petitions from Elmer
East in Monaghan, Gracque and Kelleskin in Queen's County,
Lower Kilcoe and Upper Kilcoe, in the county of Down,
from Magherclone, and from Iskeleen' in the county of Dou-
gal, praying for the total extinction of tithes, and for corpo-
rate reform on the same principles as the Bill passed for Eng-
land. The petition from Iskeleen prayed that if the Tithe
Bill was passed, the surplus might be given to the farmers. He
could assure the House that Uothinc, short of the total extinc-
tion of tithes mould satisfy the Catholicsb and Presbyterians of
Ireland.

FACTORIES BILL.
Mr. M. PHILLIPPS presented a petition from 104
woollen manufacturers of Kettering, praying for some altera-
tions in the Act introduced by his Right Hon. Colleague (Mr.
P. Thompson.) It was their opinion that the consequence of
that Act, unless altered, would be that many of the master manu-
facturers would be compelled to suspend their operations
through want of hands, and it was their conviction that children
of nine years of age might, with great propriety, and with a strict_
regard to their health, work during a period of eleven hours.
IRISH CORPORATION REFORM.
Mr. D. BROWNE presented a petition, praying that the
same relief which had been granted with respect to the Cor-
porations of England, might be granted to Ireland. Also, a
petition from Killeen, praying for the total abolition of tithes.
FACTORIES.
Mr. HOY presented a petition from a place in the West
Riding of Yorkshire, praying that children under seven years
of age might be allowed to work eleven hours in the day.
The Hon. Member also presented a petition from Bolton,
praying for an equalisation of the duties on East and West
India produce.
MUNICIPAL REFORM (IRELAND.)
The O'CONNOR DON presented petitions from Kilman
and other places in the, county Roscommon, praying that the ,
House of Commons would not insult the people of Ireland by
agreeing to the Lords' amendments to the Irish Municipal
Bill, Also petitions praying for the total abolition of Tithes.
Mr. F. FRENCH supported the prayer of the petitions, and
presented others on the same subject.
Mr. LA BOUCHER E presented a petition from the
borough he had the honour to represent (Taunton), agreed to
at a public meeting of the inhabitants, praying that the House
of Commons would not accept any amendments to the Irish
Municipal Bill, which would have the effect of depriving the
King's subjects in Ireland of Municipal institutions to which
they considered the people of Ireland as well entitled as those of
England. With respect to a petition presented yesterday
from the borough of Taunton to a contrary effect, he begged
to say, that although the signatures attached to it were highly
respectable, still it did not represent the feelings and wishes
of the majority of the inhabitants, and furthermore, it was not
got up at a public meeting.
Lord GRA NVILLE SOMERSET had passed no opinion
upon the petition, but had merely borne testimony to the re-
spectability of the petitioners.
Mr, HOLLAND presented a petition from Worcester, pray-
ing for
.an extension of time to repay the money borrowed for
building workhouses.
Mr.CODRINGTON presented a petition on the same
subject.
Mr. SC ARLETT.presented a petition from 280 electors of
the Borough of Lewes against the system of vote by ballot,
which they designated as subversive of the principles of the
British Constitution.
Mr. HUME had presented a petition from Lewes, in favour
of vote by ballot, which had been agreed to at a public meet-
ing. Ile supposed the present had been got up at a hole-and-
corner meeting.
Mr. SCA IILETT said the petition which he had just pre-
sented had been signed by three times as many electors as the
one to which the Hon. Member had alluded.
Dr. BOWRING presented a petition from a place in
Ayr, complaining of mal-administration of the road trusts ;
and praying that statute labour might be abolished ;. also peti-
tions from the same place for the abolition of flogging in the
army and impressment in the navy.
Mr. 'HUME presented a petition from a parish in the
county of Cork, praying that the blood-stained impost tithe
might be abolished at cuce, and for ever, and that the Clergy
might'be obliged to live upon the offerings of their flocks in
the same manner as the Catholic Priesthood. Also, one from
the churchwardens and inhabitants of St. Mary-le-Strand,
which stated that for the hist 20 years the rector of the parish
had annually received 1251. from it, and had only been seen
in the parish once or twice. They therefore prayed that the
House would not allow pluralities to exist on any account.
Mr. A. TREVOR presented a petition from the Clergy of
the Arclideacoury and Diocese of Durham against the Ap-
oroori.itioa of Church Property under the Irish Church Bill
to other to other than Ecclesiastical purpose's.
Mr, G. HEATHCOTE presented a petition from Lincoln
again 4 Ow General Turnpike Act.
COLLEGE OF MAYNOOTH.
Sir G. S INC 14A111 gave notice, that on the sth of. July
he mould move a suspension of the grant of money to Ow Col
lege Of Maynooth

FACTORIES BILL,
Mr. SHEPPARD presented a petition front. the \Vcs
Riding of York Oar:, praying that children tea years of agi
might be permitted to work eleven hours a day.
IRISH MUNICIPAL REFORM.

Mr. O'LOUGHLEN presented a petition from Dungar-
von against the Lords' amendments to the Irish Munie:pal
Bill Lalso for the abolition of tithes.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATION (SCOTLAND) BILL,
At the request of Sir G. CLERK,
The LORD ADVOCATE agreed to postpone this Bil
until this day week.
TRADE '`VITA PORTUGAL.

Mr. ROBINSON, in pursuance of a notice given on a
former evening, had a question to put to the Noble Lord the
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, whom he did not now
see in big place, respecting an act of the Portuguese.
Government, in raising the duties on British produce with-
out notice to the merchants of this country. lie begged
to know whether the Noble Lord the Secretary for
the Home Department on behalf of his Noble Colleague was '
able to afford any information on the subject. No answer
having been returned, the Horn Member said be would postpone
the quection to Monday.
Sir R. BATE ii.)N begged to ask the Noble Lord the Se-
cretary for Ireland, whether he had received anypetition from
eertaip magistrates of the county of Londonderry, complaining
of the removal of Mr. Gore Jones?
Lord moßpgTii had neither received nor beard any
thing of such a petition Wing been forwarded to him.
Mr. JACKSON had reeeive4 0. le4er from Londonderry,
stating that the petitioS TAMPn had beeoDUTII4 forwarded,
,
Sir JAMES GRAHAM begged to knew Olen his Ma-
would bring forward the question of the
jesty's Gostermoiint,
Stamp Duties?
next, or some .€lff snbsequently.
Lord JOHN It.lloo-3, POPI4 Rot #x the day precisely;
but it would etude an OP PridAY
COMMUTATION OF TIVI4S (1F.i4f.41.1p)._.
ADJOURNED DEfipyr,
•
The Order of the Day for resuming the adjourned debate
having
Mbeen
r. JACKSON had intot4e4 taking part at an carlici
stage in the debate, but he did not regret it, Ps tince its com-
mthrwe#4e-t several gentlemen had addressed the House, and
he thought •Itiey $ in its progress the important question
now under the consideration to file House justly and• truly
stateti. The question now resolved' ifs'elb %qr. Iluey to have
4n h4414-*Q,4 .9.))4reli iq Ireland or not? Verhaps he had

limited the question int ) too narrow a compass in stating it
so, but he believed the question was one affecting not only
the interests of Ireland, but of this great and extensive empire.
The question was no less than this—were they to have an
Established Church at all? And sooner or later it would
come to this—were they to have preserved to them and their
posterity, the blessings of the Protestant religion? That was
really the question at issue between the two sides of the House.
It had been openly avowed that the " nuisance," as it was
called, was to be abated.
" Delenda est Carthago—',
and the Hon. and Learned Member for Tipperary had last
night used the startling exclamation—" Down with an insti-
tution which cannot be sustained save by Old Sarum and
Gatton." Others had distinctly stated both within and with-
out that House, that the nuisance must be abated, and he was
quite aware that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had spoken
of the abuses of the Church ; but he b :lieved he would la,.
borne out by the gentlemen around him, that he had faithfully
stated the Hon. and Learned Member's language. The Hon.
and Learned Member had afterwards ;aid perhaps he ought to be
understood as confining himself to the abuses of the Irish Church.
At the time the Hon. Gentleman was addressing the House,
he had made a memorandum as he proceeded of the several
topics he urged as bearing upon the Established Church.
The first and main charge he preferred against the Esta-
blished Church was, that Ministers bad had the audacity to
assert their claims to a legal and incontrovertible right.
—(Cheers. ) Now, he would ask if the Protestant Clergy of
Ireland had asserted their rights through the laws of the land,
were they to be maligned and upbraided for doing so ?,
(Loud cheering.), The property had belonged to the
Church for ages : it was the property of the Church by a period
of prescription of great duration—it rested not only upon the
prescription of ages, but upon one of the most solemn
compacts that ever could be made.—( Hear, hear, hear.)
He referred to the Legislative Union existing between the
two countries.—( Cheers.) It was by express enactment
made an indispensable and fundamental part of the union that
the united church established in Ireland should be maintained
and preserved. It was not to be forgotten that that was an'
Act not passed by merely the representatives of a Pro-
testant union, but by the representatives of the people of Ireland,
who were in a great measure Catholics. The next charge pre-
ferred was against the body of the Clergy, that they had
not only asserted their rights, but they held them by a body
called the Lay Association.—( Hear, hear.) He attended
in his place on the day in which that notice was moved.
It . was not moved—it was withdrawn sub silentio. It
was put again on the book on a day when his duty compelled
him to be in the sister country.--( Hear from the Opposition.)
It was, however, only just to say that the Honourable and
Learned Member, on his (Sergeant Jickson's) statement,
withdrew his notice for that day. From that time he
had heard nothing more upon the subject. It had
never suited the convenience of the Learned Gentleman to
bring the question forward. If he did bring it forward, he
( Sergeant Jackson) would be_ prepared to meet him. He
feared not but that he would satisfy the House that this asio-
ciation, so far from being illegal, was perfectly warranted by
the spirit and the word of the law of the land.--( Hear, hear.)
The next topic which the Hon. and Learned Member had
ventured to touch was, that the High Court of Exchequer had
arrayed itself against the Government of the country.
—( Loud cheers front the Ministerial side of the House. )
Hon. Gentlemen cheered. Did they think it right that such
charges should be made ?--( Loud cheers from the Opposi-
tion.) Did they think it likely to be useful to the country,
or that it would produce respect for the law or its officers?—
(Renewed cheering fro.n the same quarter.) Was it to be
believed that his Majesty's Ministers should sit and hear
such charges, and not one of them rise to refute them?
—( Loud cheering from the Opposition.) Nothing could be
more mischievous than charges of this description. But the
charge might be very justly inverted, and it might be said
that the Government had arrayed itself against the High
Courts of Law.—(Tremendous cheering from the Oppo-
sition.) Insinuations had been liberally dealt out against
the Judges of the Court of Exchequer personally—( Hear,
hear)—and, amongst others, it had been said that Baron
Smith had attended for the first time after a great lapse of
time, when this important Tithe question came before the Court.
The Learned Baron bad no notion that such a motion was to
come on on Friday, and yet it had been asserted that he came
down to Court for the special purpose, although absent for some
days before from indisposition. The Hen. and.. Learned Member
for Tipperary had alluded to the shedding of blood in Ireland,
and had particu'arly referred to the Rathcormac slaughter.
Every man of common humanity must deplore that melancholy
event ; but was this chargeable on the Church of Ireland, or
on the respectable clergy belonging to that Church ? He took
upon himself to deny that it was chargeable upon the clergy,
but he would tell the House who was responsible for the
blood that had been shed. The Agitators, and the Agi-
tators alone, vipre the parties upon whom the responsibility
must. devolve. With respect to the Rathcormac affair
he denied that the clergyman was in any degree chargeable in
the blood that had been shed. What were the facts ? A large
arrear of tithe was due by the widow Ryan, and other
parishioners, to Archdeacon Rider and others ; and when he
applied for payment they told 'him " their lives would not
be worth a week's purchase if they complied with his demand,
but that if he brought the military or police, and showed that
they were acting under compulsion, he shouln have every
shilling of his tithes." Under these circumstances the Arch-
deacon applied for the aid of the military, and the Govern-
ment of that day very properly granted it. The soldiers
were obliged to fire, in order to preserve their own lives, for
they were hemmed up in a narrow lane by the peasantry just like
the unfortunate police, whose lives were sacrificed at Carrick-
shock. These were the plain facts of the case, and he put it
-t3 the House whether the respectable Clergyman was charge--
Able with the melancholy loss of life which had unfortu-
nately taken place 2—( Hear, hear.) As an instance of
the expedients resorted, to he would state this fact.
There was exhibited in front of the Committee-room of one of

the candidates for the city of Cork, a painting, or daub, re-
presenting the massacre at Ratheormac ; and such was the
terror and excitement, that the King's troops were obliged to
be called out to protect the voters in going to the hustings.
The Hon. and Learned Member had travelled from Rathcor-
mac to Inniscarra—the circumstances connected with which
were, so far as regarded the character of the clergyman, more
unfounded if possible than the other: That clergyman was
stigmatized as a murderer, and in the eloquent language of the
lion. and Learned Member, he had been described as wiping
the tears from' his eyes with his bloody hands. The only thing
was, that there was not a particle of tr uth in that statement.
Mr. H. GRATTAN said the statement was quite correct.
Mr. JACKSON—Did the Hon. Member mean to say that
the statement of the clergyman wiping his eyes with his bloody
hands was literally true?—(Mr. Grattan again made an
observation, but was, called to order by the Speaker. )
The Reverend Gentleman was not present at all,
arid the statement that he had pistols was equally groundless,
for he never had a pistol in his house. The Hon Mmber then
went into the circumstances connected with Inniscarra affair.
To say that it was a wanton firing on the people, was a
most grievous perversion of the truth.—( Hear, hear.) A
Clergyman had sued an Hon. and Learned Gentleman, a
Member of that House, and that Hon. and Learned Gen •
tleman wrote a letter to the clergyman, stating he bad
his option between giving up his seat for Tipperary,
and withholding the Tithes.—(Bear, hear, from the Opposi-
tion.) Was that an 'excuse for any man living, to with-
hold that from another which was justly due to him ?—( Hear.)
Was it to be tolerated that a man could not exercise
his functions, without being under the protection of the
soldiers even in the House of God ?—( Hear, hear.)
___..(Cheers from the Ministerial benches.) The Gentlemen
opposite cheered him as much as to say they had brought it
upon themselves.—(Cries of " No, no.") If the Clergy were
not chargeable with it, who was? It bad not happened by
chance only, or accident. It was the consequence of causes.
The causes were agitation—( Loud cheers)—long continued
and reiterated agitation—agitation and misrepresentation
directed to a people who were the most easily excited on the
face of the earth. If the Clergy were held up as murderers,
if the magistracy were called murderers, if the soldiers were
called the instruments of murder, and if the people were con-
tinually reminded of the blood-stained tithes, was it a matter
of surprise that they should be led into excesses?—( Cheers.)
Almost uniformly the Protestant clergymen extend to their
Catholic brethren the privilege of exemotion from tithe: That-had
been done in the present instance, and yet this Catholic Cler-
gymen asserted to his flo. k that he was to be sent to gaol for not
paying his tithes. He had in his hand the letter of that
man, expressing his gratitude for that very favour, and yet he
had attempted to point out this clergyman to his flock as an
object of their indignation and hatred. It could net be believed
except by those who had seen, it, the devoted attachment of
Roman Catholics in Ireland to their priests, and the danger,
therefore, to any man of being accused of a disposition to in-
jure them. The writer of the letter also stated that when he
went out to walk with the females of his family they were fre-
quently insulted with the most disgusting language, which he
would not repeat, and that on two occasions, when returning
home on horseback from his church, he had been attacked by

several men, who put his life to hazard if he did 'not take an
oath not to collect tithes any more. That his horse and him-
self had been frequently struck with stones, and songs were
sung in derision of him. This cruel treatment had in a great
degree ceased since the cholera raged in the district, because
the people found that, notwithstanding their ill-treatment of
him, he did not desert them in their sickness and destitution.
—(Cheers.) He (Sergeant Jackson) could confidently assert
that there was no class of men who so readily came forward to
administer to the wants of all descriptions of their parishioners as
the Protestant Clergy of Ireland. It would be the greatest
misfortune to the Roman Catholic poor of Ireland if they were
deprived of the affectionate care of the Protestant Clergy.
Wottlll the House believe that the distress of the Protestant
Clergy had been made a whjact of !idiot& insto44 of vinpathy?
In a letter published by pr. WHale
the Roman Catholic
shopof Tuam, and addressed to the Bishop of London, that
Rev. Itersoff say§„,i Thpre fs tiomegaing ht the very soil and
climate of Ireland uncongenial to error, and Which disposed the
people never to bend their necks to the ignorant yoke of Pro-
testantism. The prgtptont Church of Ireland is doomed to
destruction by the dpprpes of the Hope of Lords, awl with the
Protestant Orgy fasting has become a favoorite amusement."
—( Strong riipriliqrs pf iri44pationt) This was the sympathy,
coninued the Hon. and Learned §ergeant, which one Christian
Minister expressed for the sufferings of another.--( Cheers.)
The letter Fent no to say that the writer agreed with Malthus,
that celibacy was bettq'than to borllien gopiety with an Rupp-
vided offspring. He Sergeant Jackson) would put it to the
,opp9Site? wheSe Mi!l9bropnt to the Established
Church as a sluceve memii" of it beitiP§t OiArol4ol-Y 11Pli91Tclt
if it did not thrill lbo bl" 4 .111 his "1116 to boar itt'.4llaniu“P
from a Minister of the Gospel—(Cheers)—and lie askei.
Noble Lord would be !end the authority of his name, his cha-
racter, ind.ho4leOfs to'ihe advrecipent of B'lo wipipil TR-
jects as Were avqwed. hie writer pr this lelie-r; ttio opbnly
declared that the stahfished Church of Ireland must fall ?..-L