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turned. The public benefit Which the works themselves
afforded was not the only benefit they had produced. They
had effected a material improvement in the habits and morals
of the people, by teaching them to know the value of regular
labour, and its consequent,reward.
Ilr. S. RICE added his testimony as to the beneficial results
with which
.these works :had been attended. He took this
op►ortunity of suggesting* that the whole system of the Public
W in Ireland required to be placed upon a better foot-
ing, and hoped that the attention of Government would be
given to some remedial measure during the recess.
Mr. GRATTAN concurred in the complaint of his Hon.
Friend. Great favouritism was shewn in the employments,
and many works were undertaken which could• be of no pub-
lic He thought that no works ought to be under-
tar fse-theimprovements of particular counties, unless they.

at first subscribed one half of the expellee.
Mr. Secretary PEEL was surprised to bear the Hon. Mem-
ber for Wicklow complain of the public works carried on in
counties, because the military road made in the county which
he represented contributed more to the-suppression of the dis,
turbances which succeeded the rebellion. than any other mea-
sure:4 then taken.
Mr. HUTCHINSON said that nothing was so likely to
maintain quiet and tranquillity in Ireland as employing the
people. •
After a few words from Mr. Hums: and Mr. GotttutT RN-

Mr. Secretary-PEEL said he would- refer the Hon... Me-
mber for Aberdeen to the Reports
.of the Engineers, which
fully proved the necessity of these public works. One of
them stated that at a place called Erris, a very- novel mode
of travelling was used before the present roads were made.
In 'order to get a horse through the country, it was neces-
sary to employ several guides with- ropes, and at certain
places they had to cast the horse won, his back ~and drag
him by the .legs across the. swaropi and sloughi which
abounded in those places.—(Laughter.)—Singe the road had
been made a number of gigs and jaunting-cars were stated
to have made- their appearance at Erris, ami he thought the
Hon. Alember would agree with him, that the best way to civi-
lize the people of Erris, was to send as many gigs and jaunt-
ing-cars amongst them as they could. . . .
Mr. HUM E-.said he had read the Reports, and'when he first
say this account he made up his mind it was not true.
GOULBURN said that the engineer was a Scotehman
--(A laugh)--and came from Aberdeen.—(l,aughter.)
. Mr. HUME assured the Hight Hon. Gentleman that that
would not induce him. to believe it-one bit the -sooner.--q Great
laughter.)
The Resolution was then agreed to, the Report was ordered
to be received on Wednesday, and the House resumed.

- ROYAL MESSAGE.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
Order of the Day for bringing up the Report of the Resolution
in =Avert° the Message received from the Crown.
Sir J. Wit OTTESLEY rose to correct a misrepresentation
which had gone to the public upon the last debate on this sub-
ject. If the subject had been one of minor importanceehe should
not have noticed the error, because it was'a thing which of ne-
cessity must frequently happen. He had, however, been re-
ported to have made a speech when he-was not present in the
House.—( Hear !)-11e was aware that this could only have Hap-
pened through mistake.—(Hear, hear!)—And he should be ex.
tremely obliged by having that mistake set right, through the
same quarter in which it originated. Ile begged to observe,
that he should have considered it as a great abuse of the privi-
leges which he derived from being a Member of that House, if
he had uttered the sentiments attributed to hint, respecting an
Illustrious Personage who had not obtruded himself or his af.
fairs upon the notice of the house.—(Hear, hear I)
The first resolution relating to the infant Princess of Kent
having been brought up and read,
Mr. HUME asked it' any provision had been made in ease of
the death of the young'Princess. •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he
had certainly not thought it necessary to suggest such a cala-
mity to her Royal Highness.
Mt. HUME would rather it were given at once to the Duchess
of Kent; than to give it her through the Princess her daughter.
The resolution was then agreed to.
On the other resolution for a grant of, 6,0001. for the educa-
tion of the Prince of Cumberland,
Mr. HUM E said, if the Hon. Member for Waterford had
' been in place to submit the amendment to this resolution that
he proposed on a former night, he (Mr. Hume) should be con-
tent to support it. But that not being the case, lie felt it his
duty to give the present grant his decided negative: Nothing
which Ministers had done for the whole, would be so repugnant i
as this waste of money after their refusal to compel the Duke of i
Cumberland's son to be educated in England.—(Cries of " No, 1
'No;" from the Minieterial Benches.) Every person who had
not voted for the former grant to the Duke himself, was bound
not to vote for this, which amounted to the same thing. Ills
Royal Highness had now 18,000/. a-year, which, on the Conti-
. nent, was equal to 30,000/. in this country. When, in 1776, a
provision was made for the present Duke of Gloucester, then
two years old, it was only. 8,0001. pet annum, and not to be paid
him till the demise of this father. Another objection was, that
the Prince of Cumberland,who stood remotely from the Throne,
should be placed on the same footing as the• Princess, daughter
of the Duchess of Kent, who was comparatively near in the line
of succession. It was only on the ground that the Princess
Charlotte of Wales was heiress presumptive to the. Crown that
Parliament sanctioned a separate provision for her from that of
her mother. He should take the sense of the House of giving
a direct negative to the vote. •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER agreed that if
the income of his Royal Highness had been increased at the
time of his marriage by 6,0001.11-year, as was the case with the
Dukes of Clarence, Kent, and Cambridge, it would be quite
unreasonable now to come down to the House with this pro-
position. The increase in those cases was made to meet the
probable contingency of an increase of family, and that sow
before the House was to afford adequate means of educa-
tioh for his Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland's son,
who had already reached his 6th or 7th year. The lion.
Member for Montrose was unfortubate in supposing that a
difference ought to be made between the allowance for the
daughter of the Duchess of Kent and the Prince of Cumber.
land, as the reason why the Honourable, Members opposite
in 1818 objected to the income • of the Duke of Clarence
being • raised 10.0001. a year was exactly because proximity
to the throne in their opinion ought not to be taken into
account. On another point he'begged to say, that he stated the
ether night, most unequivocally, that the object of this vote
was not only to provide education for his Royal Highness's son,
but to provide that education in. England. He certainly could-
not agree to have any restriction of diet sort inserted in the reso-
lution' v. hicli was an answer toehe Message from the Crown ;
but if it was the sense of the House that such a condition
might to be apecifically annexed to the ;vote, neither he nor his
Right Iton. Friends near him should object to the proceed-,
ing. It might, perhaps, he stated, in the preamble, as a
reason for-the grant, or he inSerted in the body of the Bill ;so
that an assurance and security would be given to the House
and the country that there wait fo motive for the peoposition
but the one stated. All he wished was, in doing this. -not to
wound the feelings of the parents, by tempting to forcibly se.
partite the father and child ; and lie, was extremely sorry to
have heard an lion. and • Learned Civilian (I)r. letshington)
tete the, former evening declare that he did not desire.to see the
Duke of Cdmberlatid• return to this country. If it was neces-
sary to educaielheeyoung.Prince here there was no occasion
w)ty hie separation from his parent should be done in h harsh
manner. If the money therefore, was to be granted at all, it
could only de done in the course recomulvAded. The object was
tei give the Prieee a goods an English 'education, and he was
willing that means should be taken to produce inevitably that

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etlict.
r. LUSIIINGTON at all tiines;was.reluctattio make any
observations on the Royal ;Family;.. but considering. the deci-
sion on the Totes of 11.115 and IBIS were strictly right. And pre_
:per., the House ought not now to retrace its steps or. deny its
.former principles. There never was an instance In which the
feelings of the whole country' were inure in
.unison with' those
of Parliainent than in rejecting the former grunts. They had
now first to see what was the nece&sity for this vote. During
the former debates it was not denied that the Duke of ("umber=
land intended to reside 'prernanently on ti.e Continent. lt was,
however, his duty'as a father to his child, and WI duty to his
country, to come to England; and•with the means hi.possessed
there educate his son. Ifafter such an experiment, and having
inspired confidence itiParliarnent by his conduct, his income
were insufficient, then indeed there might be a claim on its ge-
nerosity, if not on its justice. flow did it happen too, that
with 12,0001. a year the Duchess of Kent could educate her
.tiawgitter in a'fitting and proper manner,:whilo with 19,000 t. a
year the Doke of CUrnberland could noroducate his son. l'lte
Hon. Member proceeded to argue thet.if the Crown, lied a right-,
to e,ducate the younger-branches of the Royalthen the
pay ought also to be entrUsted to. the King.; M to what he
(Dr. Lushington) hitd stated.cm the former night. *he us inis-
F-Mahentled by. the Right.floa. Gentleman (the Chancellor of
thc'Eichequer.) He had not expressed a wish to separate the
father rzOm the son, but h said he should not consent to give
his Royal flighness one shilling to come here to perform what-
was his • sacred doty.... He should 'conclude by moving as An
amendment, byleaving Out the words "to Lis Royal flighntss
the Duke of Cumberland," anti adding at thesonelusion, ‘, in
the United Kingdoms
-;;JtIr.,C4IXEg Yshouhl'OppOse both the motion and the amene.
rnent.,,,§ioce he hirid been. its Parliament So, mat an °tumid:,
was never off?...red to it aS the Present Resolution. It was only
an attempt to raise the same sum which had been before refused
under false pretencetu.—it was to give the Duke of Cumberland
60001. a year under pretence of applying it to the education of
a child. The vote was besides mixed up with one to her Royal ,
Highness the Vocliois of Zeta, to which nr.iither she nor Any