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London, England, 1831-12-02 00:00:00

I found from three to four ounces of coagulated
blood amongst the muscles. That blood must have
been effused whilst life had existed. On removing a
portion of the spine to examine the spinal 'marrow, a
quantity of coagulated blood was found lying in the
spinal canal, which no doubt caused Orel). Those ap-
pearances, no doubt, were caused by a blow of some !find,
There was about an ounce of blood in the spinal canal.
The stomach and heart were perfectly healthy. From all
appearance+ I should think there had been nearly instan-
taneous death. The stomach contained a tolerably full
meal, anti smelt slightly of ruin ; digestion was going on
at the ti lie of death, and I should think that death oc-
eiirred about three hours after the meal. The coats of
the stomach ti:ei-e perfectly healthy. I ascribe the death
of the body to a blow at the back of the neck.
Cross examined by Mr. 13a ititv—/ found no ex-
ternal injury at the b ick of the neck ; a severe blow
at the back of the neck would not necessarily
produce an external mark of violence. It would
only produce an external mark, where the person
lived some time after the blow. If a person fell down in
a tit of apoplexy, I should hardly believe such appearances
in the neck would be produced.
By Mr. Anat.entis 74 never saw a case of serous apo-
plexy in which the brain was not injured.
By Mr. Baron VAUGHAN—The deceased was about
fourteen or fifteen years old. The body bore no appear.
ance of apoplexy.
Frederick Tyrrell) a surgeon cf St. Thomas's Hospital,
examines' by Mr. CLAitxsost-1 have heard Mr. Beaman's
evidence, and in all the material points of it I agree. I
have never known an instance of what is called serous
apoplexy, that was not denoted in the brain. lam a lec-
turer on anatomy, and hold several public appointments.
John Earle Rogers examined by Mr. BonKIN—I am an
inspector of police.
Mr. Tyrrell was here recalled, and in answer to a ques-
tion by Mr. Baron VAUGHAN, he stated that the appear-
ances in the spinal canal were produced by violence.
Rogers's examination was continued—On Saturday,
Nov. 5, I received the body and the hamper from the
witness Hill, and gave them into the custody of Mr.
Thomas, the superintendent.
John Wilson, a police-officer, sworn—l apprehended
the prisoners at King's College. May resisted a great deal,
and struck me, because I would not let him and Bishop
talk together.
Joseph Sadler Thomas, a superintendent of F divi-
sion of police, sworn—On the afternoon of Saturday,
November 5, from certain information I dispatched
Rogers and Wilson to the King's College. They
returned with May and Williams. Before them
Bishop and Shields were brought to the station-
house ; Rogers also brought the body, sack, and
hamper. I asked May what be had to say, for he was
charged with having improper possession of the subject.
May said he had nothing to say, for the subject belonged
to Bishop, and that lie had only accompanied him to get
the money. I asked Bishop how he gut it, and he said
it was his, and he was merely removing it from Guy's to
King's College. I then asked Williams about it; and he
said he knew nothing about it, for lie merely went with
the others to see the College. I asked Bishop what he
was, and he replied, " I am a body-snatcher." The
prisoners laboured under the effects of liquor, particularly
May and Bishop. May was carried in on all fours, his smock-
' frock over his head. I ordered the body to be taken out
of the hamper and placed on the table. It struck me as
the body of a person who had recently died. Blood
trickled from the mouth ; the front teeth were all out. In
consequence of information, I went on the following
Tuesday to Mr. Thomas Mills, Newington Causeway, and
received twelve teeth, which I now produce. I also went
on the Gth to No. 3, Nova Scotia Gardens, and in the
front room found a trunk now produced On the 20th
November I went to the same cottage, and making a fur-
ther search, I found a hairy cap in the front pa7lour
amongst some thirty linen. I now produce it. I also
found a tin can there.

Henry Lock examined—l was in November waiter at
the Fortune of War public-house, Giltspur-street. On
Friday, Nov. 4, I saw the prisoners there at eleven o'clock
in the morning. They had some drink, and went away
together about twelve o'clock. There was a strange man
with them. About three o'clock in the afternor n they
came again, and remained until about five, and then went
away together. About eight o'clock the same evening
they all returned, with another man, who appeared to be
a coachman. Before the coachman left, one of the pri-
soners said they had had a ride. About nine o'clock May
went to the bar with something in a handkerchief, which
proved to be teeth. I saw him pour water upon the
handkerchief, and rub it with his hand. He afterwards
opened the handkerchief, and I saw the teeth. I observed
to him that they appeared to be young ones, and were
worth a few shillings. May said they were worth 2/. to
him. The prisoners shortly afterwards left. On the fol-
lowing morning I saw Bishop and Williams about eight
o'clock, accompanied by Shields. Bishop, addressing
Williams, asked, " What shall we do for a hamper ?"
Williams made no answer. Bishop requested Shields to
go over to the hospital (St. Bartholomew's) to get a
hamper, but he refused to go. Bishop then went out,
and shortly returned with a himper. They then all left
together, and I never saw them again until they were in custody.
Thomas Wigley examined—l am a porter at coach-offices.
On the 4th November, about half-past seven o'clock in the
evening, I was in the Fortune of War, when Bishop came in,
and was followed in a few minutes after by May. I heard
What do you think of our new ono—did he not go
Bishop say, "
up to him well and collar him—was he not a game one ?" May
said " I don't know what you mean." Bishop said " That's all
right." May saw me sitting in the corner of the room. May
got up and went out, and in a few minutes returned with a
handkerchief in his hand, which he was rubbing with his hand.
In a few minutes Williams came in,and Bishop observed, " here
he comes, I knew he was a game one." Bishop said to May
during the conversation, " You stick to me, and I will stick to
you."
James Seagrave, driver of a cabriolet, sworn—On the even-
ing of Friday the 4th of November, I was with my cabriolet on
the stand in the Old Bailey. It was twenty minutes before six
o'clock in the evening, and having put the nose-bag on my
horse, I went into the public-house to take my tea. I was called
out and saw May and Bishop. May asked me if I wanted a
job, and said he had a " long job." He took me on one side,
and said he wanted me to fetch a " stiff 'un," which I under-
stood to mean a dead body. I told him 1 did not know, but
asked what he would stand ; he said that he would stand a
guinea. I said that I had not finished my tea, and that
my horse had not done his corn. He said that we would
take tea together. I went into the public-house, followed by
May and Bishop. Some person in the room jogged me by the
elbow, and hinted that the men were " snatchers," and I de-
termined not to go with them. After tea I went out and drove
my cabriolet to the bottom of the rank. I afterwards saw May
and Bishop going up to the rank among the coaches, and I
drove off, leaving them apparently making a bargain with the
coachmen.

Cross_examined—l know it was Friday, the 4th November,
because I had to attend the Commissioners of Hackney Coaches
upon a summons.
Thomas Taverner, waterman at the coach stand of the Old
Bailey, spok e to the same transaction as the preceding witness.
Chandler examined—l was on the 4th November a por-
ter at the King of Denmark watering-house, in the Old Bai-
ley. May and Bishop came in with Seagrave, the cabriolet
driver, and they had some tea and gin together. I observed
May put some gin into Bishop's tea, and Bishop asked, " are
you going to locus me or Burke me." I can't say whether it
was locus or Burke, I knew May and Bishop before.
Henry Mann, a hackney coachman, examined—On Friday,
Nov. 4th, about five or six o'clock in the evening, I was on the
stand in Bridge-street, 13Iackfriars. May and a strange man
came to me ; May asked if I would take a fare, and go with
him to Bethnal-green ? I refused to go. I refused because
I knew what May was.

George Gissing, a boy, examined—l am twelve years old.
Igo to school and to church. My father keeps the Birdcage
public-house, Crab Tree-road, near Nova-Scotia-gardens.
On the evening of the 4th of November, about half-past
six o'clock, I saw a yellow hackney chariot draw up opposite
my father's house. It is very near Nova Scotia-gardens.
I did not see who got out of the chariot. I afterwards
saw the prisoner Williams standing on the fore-wheel
of the chariot talking to the driver. The chariot waited ten
or fifteen minutes. The door was open all the time. Williams
went down Nova-Scotia-gardens, and in ten or fifteen minutes he
returned and got into the chariot. Then I saw a strange
man carrying a sack in his arms, and Bishop holding up one
end of it. They put it in the chariot. The sack appeared to
he heavy. Bishop and the other man got into the chariot with
Williams, and they drove up Crabtree-road and towards Shore-
ditch Church. The strange man was not one of the prisoners,
but he had a smock-frock on. Bishop is believed to be Wil-
liams's father-in-law, and they kept their wedding at my father's
house.

Thual,s Trainer, a boy, corroborated the last witness's test
mony.

Ann Channell examined—l was going by the Birdcage pub-
lic-house on the evening of the 4th of Nov., and spoke to the
circumstances respecting the hackn:y chariot, as detailed before.
Thomas Davis sworn—l am porter to the dissecting-room
Guy's Hospital. On Friday evening, Nov. 4, about seven o'clock,
May and Bishop came to the hospital, May carrying a sack ; I
knew• them before; they asked me if I wanted to purchase a
subject; I declined to purchase it, and they asked if I would
allow them to leave it until the following morning ; I acceded
to their request, and locked the body up in a room during the
night. Next morning, between the hours of eleven and twelve
o'clock, having been out, I returned to the hospital, and
' ascertained that the body had been taken away. I had only
seen a foot out of the sack, and I believed It was either that of
a boy or a female. The sack produced is similar to that in
which the body was.

James Weeks, assistant to the last witness, examined.—On—On
Friday, Nov. 4, I saw Bishop and May bring the sack with a
belly in it to Guy's HospitallaThe rack produced VD a hole