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inconvenience ;'IX-ithi-espea topublic business,many
1.., useful measures had been depending on the Dis 7
soihtion ; some might be resutned,; others could
Inot, The Reversion Bill -was .one,' perhaps, which
might .again be brought. in. His N,)ble Friend'
Financial Plan,. good faith to the public credlot•
demanded. should ' be. sPeedily.drieussed- and re-
rnewed. With respect to the Finance Cornm.- tee;
the Hon. Seconder seemed to be suriarke,t-..-

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nisters should be supposed to have any wi,.
Inquiry.. :Withont iritpUting to the Ministers any.
such wish, this he knew, that the Dkso:u...,n ;Li
p.eded the of the meeting,.atid tha, ,vir
likelihoOd of its labours being .eornpleted in th,,
sent Session.' It was. a Corn mit tee pflnquiry ; •..

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' if many new-Mernbers should'be added to it, t; -y
would, perhaps, not arrive at the result which the.
I laSt 'Committee had reached,, without a fresh investi-
! gation of the evidence: As the. CoAltflitte waSlo'be
revived, he- trusted Iliat'as nearly as' could be, the
same 3.l6triberS would 'be appoi n ted,.-. and. thA t they
would be'chosen openly by ballot ;sin this case, fLey
might, . perhaps, • prosecute the '.citief objee-ts .of
their ineittiry with -erfeCti, notwlt hnanding. 'till?. se-
; vire ilWrruptioti which -they, had experieT':ced.—.
With respect to the Members of which 'the Coel-
tnfitee was to be conip ,swig ,>oi'ne.' Etat bad been lately
developed in the'qteport of •thei..:l6intniSsioners of
Witary Inquiry; whtch'mie;ht render necessarysome
change in the stibje.3l,. Still more, on the 27ib of
April, Parliament waS dissolved ;on the !I-it!! of
April there had been alarming accbunts lid on the
table, of the finances of the East India Company:
What" the Gentlemen opposite purl:4%M to do,' be
- knew not.' It"-1)...1. been in the
.Coiattemplatiott of
't
hiS Majesty' s', Ministers, .to propOse sumoexPe- -
dient by vihieli the -Company- might have been re=
lieved without imposing 'any additional 'burdens-on
the people. -The proposition having been. •ni:-Kle',...it
Might. have remained ..a 'subjeA for consideration until .
the. next Session of Parliament ; but by the course
which ' his Majesty's present' Milliners'. puiued,''l.4.
not proposing any tiic 1i.:4-.eil, rid
thus by allowing no time for, inve.ittiOtion;, they:
:'had reduced therriselves to the neccssity'c,f bi.loptitig,
,at.present,alMoSt any thing which orferi itself. With
regard tothe state of Supplies at the Dissolution, the
:-necessary :votes for the dirK!rent s(O.-vice, ktiid the:
'sangtion. :which. hiS Noble Friends 'had ob:.au.ed;
;hearly set' that' subje.a. at' rest; hat-still ' fhe li•islt.'
Thoney hills had not'been passed, ant -the ebrlse-..,
quence,`Was., that there .was not ;toss-st!:-€le:it time;
to pass thosellill.,(the Itish Custein ?iii_ in part i..
cular), :Consistent I.l7ith" those 'forms Ivhjeli i.trlia-
:rent had -wisely .provided, and .w,hicii. never yet had
been departed fr-'4O,- 'Either the Colle.Aiol Of ,that
'.part of the. reVenneAlist b' stlipented, or•Ge f* or,
'of P'arliamen't`Must -be -violated a 6r-can:Stance
-whichlie!krOtiflidepreeated. SlibUldMini,terS take
-upon iliernselys to e.ollea without the au.t.horny of
It.i.vi - it tax on the People'of. Irßnid, th'ey woLiki be
hig;ily reprehensible. At the.DisSolutiop ton, none
of .ttlesuins.whiehhad'been Yote4ibc 'the ptibtic Ser.;
' :'-vice were approp.rl;tted, for no Appropriation AEt had
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'been passed. \Vithout such au -Act, by a solemn ,
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principle of the ConstitutiOn,he appltcation of those
i ;sums to' partiCular services- was not .constitutional
.or legal. 'He readily allowed that.theretnight be situ-
{ ,ations in which a Government ought to it without
I. the support ()flaw, when a State service required its .
:suspension ; but then these situations must be un- .
,foreseen and inevitable. •:It a IVlinistry,witb their eyes._
open, placed themselves in .a.sifnatiOn in which, on .
: the one hand the late Must be broken, or on the.
other the •COUntry must be endangered, the exercise
of their discretion,' in such a:case, called for the most ,
solemn consideration of Parliament ; and, 'if they en-. ,
tertained his feelings on the subject , with a-view, to
.1 the punishment of the- delin9nents., .And for what
purpose had all these mischiefs peen occasioned ?
The Hon. Seconder stated, thtit an attempt had been.
• Made by the late Ministry to force the conscience of_

,the King=an assertion completely unfonndjd in fad.:
Having declared that there were ads of the'Royal
'Prerogative which were, personaliand unadvised,
and; having thus brought' his Majesty into a state
ofresponsibility, the Honourable ,Gentletnan main-
-tained, that the late, Ministr3Otad arraigned the.
King, and had' asked the ;House of
.Cornnions to
pronounce him guilty or not guilty. While he
possess'el „the - power of speech, he 'would pro-
tea against a principle so fattitl
.to liberty of de-
bate, 41 that upheld "by. the Hon.- Gentleman. If
the House -were canvassing any proceeding.of
rernment, 'were they to be stopped 'by being told,
that it was the .a& not of the Ministry,' but of the
Monarch ?, If SO, then farewell to all liberty of de-
liberation;sand farewell to the personal security of
the Monarth himself ;- for however convenient such.
a dodrine.might.at the Moment appear,
,the come-
' qnences of it .were too obvious to need illustration.
• A Dissolution of. Parliament must alWayS be incon-
venient, and at..that period,of the Session at which
the late DisS'olution.took plate, more inconvenient
than at any other. In the interesting Debate on this
AlbjeCf, whiCh took' Place-in the year'lß64i, an opi-
nion. was quoted of Lord 'Somers's, that leis Ma-
jesty, during a Session of Parliament,,. had no power
to dissolVe Abe Parliament. With the htimility-
- which was due to -the abilities of.such an.able LaIN
yer, and such a great Statesman, he confessed that he
differed greatly from Lbed S,omers on this point. The
strongest necessity might, in his opinion, exist for
a Dissolution during a Session of Parliament, hami.-
ly, such, a clifferetice between the two HouSe,,
as. should impede' the.progress of public business.
Stia however this assertion of Lord Soiner§'s was
sufficient to shew the extreme, hiconvenience that
resulted from a Dis4blution in the Midst of a Ses-sioil;
• and that such a measure ought not to beresorted to.
.without the most urgent necessity. ' Now .Whift
ceSsity existed in the present instance ? 'n,:i.,:11-676, •
Seconder declared, that the. Lite Miiirsters
p6sed.measures replete-rvith chin,,ier to the Protest: tit
Establishment. What then ? ThOse Ministers bad

• • keeli tor sect out---ttte 11on. Gentleman hid himself
stated, t`)ey had lost the confittetice of Pmlianent.
What ititerruptiun therefore
_was expedient ? What
necessity wars there for a Di;solution_?
,an event
tc hich is coustilietional tunes' ought not to be tole-
, rated. The House were now told, that they were
called
,t ,:;ether merely for a month, to wind up
the husioesS of the last Parlia:ment, and then to be
sent home. :•If a month would be sufficient for
that 'purpose in the piesent Parliament, a mouth
would asave., h,;en sufficient for it in the Jae. _ His
Mijc,ste's late Aliitisters would scarcely have ob-
leeted to their own nieasures. No necessity, there-
fore, dill .exist. Why, then, did they take this
• Step ? In order that an appeal should be made to the
People, as it was stated in' his Majesty's Speech,
while reeent events were fresh in their recollection ;
in other Words, during the prevalence of. that base
cry, W,111C11,• it was hoped, would have an in-
fluence ,on the eJeetions. He defied any other
terpretation to be made of this' proceeding; al•-:
though, in his Majesty's Speech,. there was some-.
thing like an attempt at this, and in the Noble Lord's
Andress much more. In his Majesty's Speech, Par-'
liament was called upon to sapport him " in
• taining the just rights of his Crown,. and the.true,
principles' of the Constitution." This passage wasi
completely explained by the condu& of Ministers,:
as evinced in their advertisements and-publicatious,
and in the speeches of to-night, the only put-
'. pose of which seemed to be, to eXcite that divi-
sion in the Country, which, if it were not pro-
duced, was owing to ::the good sense of the people,,
and not to the prudent conduit of Administration.
When the House recollthed -all
,thathad been said; the' Coronation Oath, was it not '• manifest
to theM, that an attempt had been made to alarm'
the Nation -with an idea that the late Administra-
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lion had endeavoured. to force the Conseienee of
the; King'? As, to the measureg
M proposed having;
been compatible. with the Coronation Oath, no
sj.ich apprehension could be entertained by any one
whose mind was larger than the mind of a
'Did the Learned Gentleman opposite mean to say,
`that any measure favourab'le to the 'Cat holies- would:
be against the:Coronation 'Oath ?' Did "-lie mean, to,
say, that because the Icing' had sworn 40 maintain
the Protestant Religion as by law estAblished, • that-
it would be contrary to
,the Coronation Oath,
if certain
,al-Aurd penal statutes existed, injurious to
sectaries, tt) repeal them Such. a !.enseless -proposi-
- ,tion no one cut Id support ; for vi-hat had been the
are& of the. repeal of similar statutes in:lreland ?
TT, therefire, the. Learned Gr'entlemen opposite re
• vounced such doctrines, yv by introduce this passage
into this Majesty's Speech, but for the purpose of
taking:advantage of the .:alarm, ;which it must
Sion?--an alarm which the Learned ;Gentleman
could not himself 'believe justifiable, 'but of :Which'
be availed :1:limsell for personal 'Motives. - The
' thing was most- absurd ; it the last -flouse of
Coihtnons had carried the-Bill-which he had pro-
4aosed to .them,• there might have been some plea
far this eXpression ; 'tut :as that Bill had been u ith-
drawn, 'how could his .Majesty's Ministers with
common decency assert, that the
_Dissolution had
been -rendered
.necessary,` ", for the maintenance'
of. the just rights of the .rown and the true prin.
shies 'of the' Constitution:"
_fie would ask them,.
did they believe the' moderate extension to the:
CatholiCs of what is called politicalpower•-• 7 and:
deprecated' the expregian, by the_Learned;.
.Gentlernati .opposite, the. power. .Of the sword,!'
a power which ex:sted only in theLKing
would
_ask,. did
.they
_seriously believe 'that this.
limited extension endangered 'either, the-Welfare of
the- Kingdom, or the .safety ,of the Conititation: ?-
lie' wished the. Hon. Seconder had, • itt hjsobserva-:
lions on this. subject, consulted the feelings-of those:
Gemiemen below him., Although he (Lord Howick)'
Should k)elie the_whole of his political life, if he were'
to consider Mr. Pitt as the extraordinary Statesman.
which ire had been represented to have been by the:.
Hon. Gentleman, he was yet aware that he possess-
ed great qualities' and splendid talents ; and he could:
have wished, that .the Hon. 'Gentleman had not
pasied such a severe- censure upon him as he had'
done, in asserting that any person who proposed in-
dulgencies to the Roman Catholics, was guilty of an'
attempt to undermine the Protestant Establishment
of the country. On this subjeta, he could with cop-
fidence appeal to the recolle&ion of tire' House,
whether an 'extension of privileges to the Catholics
had not been gnpported by,Mr. Pitt, 'Mr. Fox,,and
Mr. Burke, three men whose 'talents, whose wis-,
dom, and whose eXperience were as great, or per-;
haps greater,,thau those of any triumvirate that eYer4.
existed. -The present Government was composed of
the followers of My. Pitt, and therefore the Hon.:,
Gentleman-had cast a censure on the living as, well
as on the dead. For his part, when he called to his:
mind the former conduel of the individuals ofhisMa-:
jesty's present Adnimistration, he,cbuldnot but won-
der, aftert he cry that theyhadendeayoured to raise,'.
that they eould'couie down to that f louse with eatin-.
tenantes-unblanched with fear and shame. To speak
frankly—for- to speak 'frankly was indispensable at'
such .a crisis as the present---;when he recoll'eaed ,
condu& of the Learned Gentleman in 1801, at which
time ha did not think any% interference the Pre-:
testant Establishment necessary—When,herecolleete&
his conduCt iai 18(4, on the introduCtion of a pleasure:
Much: more extensive !Iran that proposed, by the
lete ''Administration; ire could not but be persuaded;
tliarthe Learaed' Gentlemandid riot believe in the:
existence of tire dangers, the._apprehension ofwiheh,
he had contributed to diffuse.
'measures
samepie,' when he recolleoed the measures which' had'
been teCoinniended by tlie Noble Lent opposite, as:
necessery tp the- treneuillity of Ireland; 'when he!
reeolleZted the' deClaretion of that Noble 'Lord, that'
irei,ind could
-not be governed'without solve con:
cession of that. nature ; when be recolleaed that the
No'bie Lord, pledged hirnself to the executionof,the
measure, 'that for that Pledge he reeeiveifa.valuable.:,
oonsidcration ; that by it' he Was enabled to Coni7;
Oete the union of the two kingdoms. 'When, he,
r,-.:colle&ed these thingg, and considered the
.corise..-
quences that might have resulted in Ireland from'
the failure of tire measure which he had proposed,:
his astonishment, even after' the lapse of three:
mouths, has not`ceased. Serions, indeed, would,thoSe
consequences have: been, had tie atteiripts which.
Lid bee' laiciy 'tirade to: infuse into the People of:
a raireerons animosity agaim;t the Catholics,
Ire!; ltd succeeded; had they made Engligh and
)rafige a kind 'Of Orange party against the Irish, and'
taught the Irish tlOt .not .trifling difficulties alone

stood in the way of their laiws, butt the ge:Liai athl
united opposition .of...the- whole country. By the pun-
. lic declarations and advertisements in all par, of thr
,
kinadom not exceptinO%Torthampton, the' lite Ad-
„ ,
mipstration had been arratgnect‘as personally
to the Kuig, and ti! people were calk:d upy3.,lo.,de-
cide between them and their Sovereign. .I\i'vveribe-
fore did a proceeding- take :place so injurious to the
repose even of the-Royal Person - To 'the'
sentiments avowed by the present. Administration he
had three distinct and,decided objed ions. Fir.'st, they
had declared. the unconstitutional doarine, thi;t,the
King could aa an adviser; 2d, they had vio-
lated thefreedoto' of eleCtion ; indeethwithintheSe.
few days simila,r infloence had been. endeavoured (OH'
be extendeil to the present question;-. and it had been'
asserted, that whoever voted on the AddreAs against
the Nish of the present Ministers; would vote against
his Majesty, and bring him 'to trial : his last objec-
tion was, that they haadendangered the-personal
se-
curity of the King-himself. 'This 'was' the first time
that his Majesty had ever been advised to make a per-
sonal appeal to. the People, and hdwever convenient
at the moment, it was 'a 'precedent 'which-Might'
hereafter lead •to the, most fatal consequenceS. -If
any •thino- Could aggravate the misconduct of his:Ma-
jestv'Seuvernment, it was that -those very men,
wbo before-opposed a Dissolution 'at a-favourable pe-•
riod, should* 'dare' to advise his Majesty to' dissolve
Parliament in the midst of a Session, and -then assert
that no% material -inconvenience would result to the
public service. 'With respell to the influence of.
the .CrOWn, it had been exercised during the last'
Ele6liort in•a m:)st unexampled inatiner. In 'this
. Country to a great degree, but in the Sister Kingdom
Most unblushingly, both in temptation and threats.
In one Borough in Ireland, a CarWidate had dared-a
, single Eleelor to vote against him ; and he had been
told,-that in another popular contest the Crown Soli-
citor hid gone down,'and informed Mr. Grogan,
that,theforfeieure of his estates would be enfOreed,
unlesS he and all his tenantry voted for the partizans
of Government.' But there was another mode of
influence of public notoriety which he Would men-;
lion : it Was the Jetter, dated the 25th of April,
from Lord Hawkesbury to the Lords Lieute-
snantS of Counties respefting the Volunteers. Lord
.H.awkesbury stated, that it Was intended to propose
to Parliatnent, to restore • their pay to such 'Volun-
teers as came in after 'a certain period, 'and also tq
..re-appoint the lnspeaing Field Officers, which last
-'he (Lord Howick) understood had since been done.'
'Now let'the House consider the date of ON let-
ter;--on the:2sth. 'of April the Secretary of Slate
declares; that it was intended' to propose a certain
measure to Parliament.: 'ln two days 'afterwards
'Parliament is prorogued, previous:to its immediate
,Dissolution, •so that the Noble Secretary must
-have` known, that he deprived himself of the poWer
• .of-proposing the measure, by advising 'the Dissolu-
tion: The restoration of the Inspeding Field Of-
ficers Was a most objectionable step. He bad never
'met with a single Volunteer Offlcer Whodid not hold
thse Inspeeling Officers in utter contempt : they had
•nO'CoMmand they were not even empowered to
order the Volunteers to come to be inspected. :From
the large Staff which was attached to the British arrny,,
consisting of Adjutants, Quarter-Masters, Brigade-
... Majors, &C. surely some •tittter Itispedors might
be seleaed ; 'aye; ' but then this was an objeet of y .

.great patronage ! just at the time of the general
;eleLaion a hundred new offices were to-be distributed,
:and these inspeetorS of elections, for so they were in
fat, wire each to have pay and allowances, making
the whole expence to. the nation between .37 kilt!.
-4-6,0Q61. a year, for no advantage whatever ! This
.Was the little beginning of these mighty enemies to
patronage.-:-More pure and unadulterated jobs never
existed than these appointments! There--were other
,-parts,of-his nkjesty's-Si)eech on the exalt purport of
which 'he entertained some doubts, and of which he
wished for a fe.w words of explanation. The HOuse
,was told, " that his Majesty's endeaVOurs bad been
most anxiously employed for the purpose of drawing
closer the ties by which his Majesty is conneacd with
the Powers of the Continent; of assisting the efforts
of those Powers against the ambition and. oppression
of France; of forming such engagements as may in-
sure their continued coloperation ; and of establish-
ing that mutual confidence and concert, so essen-
tial, under any Course of events to the. restoration
of a- solid and permanent peace in Europe." Cer-
tainly-he, in common with the rest of his Majesty's
late Ministers, felt the'necessity of cultivating the,
connexion, and drawing'closer the ties by which his'
.Majesty was bound to the Powers of the Continent,
.as fir as was consistent with the security of Great.
Britain. But he wished' to ask whether, by, thii:
passage in the Speech; it was meant to insinuate, ,
that the- late Government had negle&ed to do their
duty on this stihjeti ? He was- more desirous '.to-

know this, as the subjeet had been publicly agi-
tated, and that not very abstemiously..—For his
part, he declared, that he should be most glad
that every thing which the lafe Ministers had done

aid Of. the Powers, of the Continent, should be

submitted to' the consideration of the ous. and
the
.public. • It Would then be found, that no ra-
: tion'al effort -had, been omitted to thaw closer the'
- ties of connexion, and more especially between-this'
country and RuSsia. He would boldly and -broadly
state this, in answer to any assertions-that might be.
hazarded of an opposite tendency. If Ministers,
countenanced any insinuation of this nature, be-
boned they• would have the manliness openly, to
avow . it. With regard to subsidies to Foreign
Powers, he thought 'that there were occasions in'
which subaidies, and even large Subsidies, might be
I advantageously employed ;' but, he also thought that
it Was' nistst impolitic to give subsidies to Foreign
Powers -for the purpose. of drawing, theip into a
war into which their own inelinations and -inte-•
rests would not induce - them to enter. While,'
• therefore, he stated. that the late Government
had negleaed no' prudent means of cultivating 'a
connexion •with Continental
_Powers,. he would-also
state,- that in the present circumstances of this Conn-.
--and of the world, due care should be taken
that any assistance which might be afforded ,to'fo-
reign.Powers, should not be afforded to those by'
whom- it could not be used at all, or to those by
whom it be misapplied. It'was indispensably
incumbent on us to weaken as little as 'possible the
Means- which we possessed of stipporting a pio-
traeted contest (for his Majesty's Speech had put an
end to all
.apprehension of a separate -Peace) ; after
fourteen years of expensive war, this Conitiry had
re,asoa to exped that the Continent woul4 take a

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Share (it its bUttl)011 i. 1k hich its own deletice retider- tors, when, act digererices ex.K.ted betwr.--; t:,:e tv:o ti,1:,,,
wilati.ver Luulti justify such a ste;..
ion ;e'er rcu"jsti 1
eel necessary. Ffts. Majesty's Speech ,contained a tn-dtjaiyicthen
ands le't:lltj'eruaeuilmeTliegtrieeaetwinact::,7‘t';
perageipli which hitnenti.,el the rupture bdt weep Great leence was incurred.
Britain and Turkey ; and „enother, which related added, to the burdens of the Country ; that the,DissolutroAti
to. the unfbrt ret. ailed many useful Laws, for the encon6gernent of Agricul.
tore . .
Manutaaure. and Commerce • that •t e',lter suspended
tin;ite * events -:bv which that ,
'watt. fellowed. NO oite could regret more than• he. or ..whbliy impeded many most sv hol---;c4ile'.'ptibiie regula_
4id the oat..Ases which prodeced a division between
lions.., That weteel further hound to state, that the evil of
this measure was aggro voted by the ihjurious'pretences under
two Pow-ers whoee interests ought.. to be deemed in-
vk tettrevae-etteteteee ;-epreteneeteefhteti atterrtiedno justi
• cation at it, but which excited don ' •.
ger.otis- animosities, at-a
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sepdrable. WM. he aSked. the Hon. Gentleitiati OPPO- h
time when the sees:l64, .of the EmPire. was endangered, and
Site, if,:in the nratmer the subject was mentioned in
the Speech,--it was intepded•ae ai insinuation that the ::!'eveehenneten 'ilea-the•s,y.toa?_st.. harmony. and _CO-operation ought to have
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unfortunate rupture evith :the Porte was to be attri-
The.-CII4NCELLOR, of the,EXCH:E.QUER, Fitt
btitecl 'to tin; late Minister;;? 'He deprecated the "
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Made 'of introducing this topic into the speech in such , reply, observed, that whatever might haVe beed the
manner in which his Majesty's Ministers had come
a Manner that, it•cduld pot be discussed without . in-
into power,lhe speech of theNoble-Lord had shewn
volving in the discussion the conduct of Russia. The
that it would not meet with his approbation, though
late Administration Were Ph'ked in this :dilemma'►
either to she had,declared.. that,. to consequence :of the state of
uffer the great
,unfairness whiCh ninst result '
peblic affairs, lie,shottld' give his support to any ftotn abstaining from any derence, or to defend them-
s that might be brought forward for the national
wea-
selves by calling into question the Conduet of Russia,' - sure
interest. From the manner in which the.,Noble.Lord
our best Ally, AetoTutkey, was it Meant to_be. in-
bed concluded his speech, howeverehe did not think
ferred that' the late 'Government had asked '‘ too
that. be took the proper course to carry. that declarae
much or too little • Whenever the documents 'Of-
ffed . As the Noble Lord had introduced
which his Majesty's present Ministers. Were possess- tion into'e4-variety of topics into hiS speech,' he should end s-
be produced, nothing would •be.fotand in
mode_ . veur to follow him thrOugh all upon which he touehL.
them 'inconsistent with the-policy of union;
ed, in the best manner he could. And here he could
ration, ;and good faith to Russia and the Porte.--e
not. but. observe, .that the great objet of! the 'Noble
Was it- meant to charge the late Ministry with mise
Lord,
.the sole point .to-which he seemed. to wish: to
concludon this head ? Aye, or No ?. If so, let 'there'
call the attention of the Hohse wase the. Dissolution
be an inquiry.. There were modes- of inquiry which-
of theelast. Parliament. What,
-the exception of
prevented diseloSures inimical to the public interests;
a fewnppics introduced towards the conclusion-of his.
the appointment of a-Secret Committee would ob-.
speech, of Which he should take notice before he sat
hpised
viat'e everyedifficulty of that nature. If a charge'
down constituted the gran. of :his ,aecusetil)ll.
were meant to be,made, -e oP.vned he was sur'
The Noble Lord he'd thought it necessary .to guar&
that the charge should proceed from the throne ; he
himsellngainst any inainuatiate that, his observations
deeply regretted the failure of our arms which had
appliedeo the Speech as the Speech of the King, fti4
been alluded to, but notice 'of- such a failure* was,
rtot ofhis Ministers, as if eny. persane could steppose
totally _unprecedented in a Speech from the • King.'
that any. other than the King's Ministers were re-
' After the affairs of the Helder' and Ferrol, on the loss -
sportsible for the con terns of the Speech. 'The Noble
of Corsica, and on other disastrous events of the last !
Lorde hewever, had admitted, that there coeld be tie
war, he %%MS not aware that any -expressions of re-
d - doubt Of the prerogative of the Crimti to disiolve the
gret had been so studiously introduced into bid Ma-
, Parliament at any time, though he .had referred to alt
testy 's Speech ; he mtest suppose, therefore, that M. i . . .
- authoraty.upon the snlojed, whiela hi. had fto sooner
the present instance, they were intended to convey
quoted than he relented. But avitilat thelNrehteleird
.a,charee on_ the late Administration,' -If, ko, `.he re-'.
had denied the dontrine laid dowat by Lord Somers,
peated, that they challenged the snidest inquiry' into *
he-endeavoured -toexteant •out of -it a principle. that
alre..destination of the Expedition to Turkey, and '
into the manner in which that Expedition was ar-e . illight bear uP°n - the questiotr before them. The
propriety.- of the exerciee:Of theaprerogative of the
ranged; into the, original policy of an attack-on.
i Crown in dissolving.the Parliament, roust ,eYer data
-Egypt, and. into the mode in 'which that 'attecloWas
pent'. upon the circutristanceS under ,vhicirsuelea pre.
concluded. Adverting -to - the 'changes- which be.
rogative:may he, exercised:a-4n dis
- missing this pOilst
was apprehensive the present Administration would -
the NobleAeord had contended, that the :prerogative
make in our military system; •be remarked, that.
hed.been properly.exeroised-In the PifSelitlfiall of tb,,
byehe new arrangements in ,Scotland; the recruit-'
former -Parliament; hue that the fay. us tancu of its
ing bad increttsed from 2b tO 40 .per week ; and in
exercise was founded noon -an abandonment of every
Epgland considerable benefit had been:derived from:
sound principle upon which first prerogative Of the
it, although-at the 0103 t unfavourable Season of the'
Crown bughtno be regulated. In' rite state in whieh
year. He hoped-that the Gentletnen opposite would . •
the Paeliament ..,and the Country waseplace- d,• when
dot .rashly alter his Hon.:Feiend's plan, but .would . -
that event took placeehiS.Majesttt's Ministersevoidd
give- it the fair trial to which it was justly entitled.
•not.have done their dutyell they ',lied let a moment
Ile.wishedalso to know; as soon as it would be Con-.
pass without -appealing .to the People. It was in that
Nenient ao Ministers td tell him, what was to be the .
sense of duty. he acied; when, in • COnjunaion with
precise extent of the Regulations- in the Voitinteer-
-1 :
his colleagues, lie had advised-hie-Majesty to dissolve
System mentioned by Lord, Hawkeebury in his Let-the Parliament. at. the- earliest' moment t 1 heir eltat
ter? He feared they woUld,he eipensive. -.The saving'
measure could be re.sorted. to eWtout ally, tuateriitl
made "by his lion. Friend'ee-egalations amounted to
interruption to public) business: ,The Noble. Lod'
90Q,000.1. a year. Was it intended to restore some,
had enumerated the circumstances tinder which that
or all of this ? In that case he should move for new
measure eras adopted, for the purpose of condemning
estimates. Above alle he „hoped the House and the •
;• but he was prepanedeto contend, -that these eery
public would. deeply considetethe etrea of the systetn - it
circumstances were a t u.stification.atf it. The' Noble
of the late. Administration,, and the probable elle&
had stated, that the-Perliatnent had been- theft that which would be pursued,by the present. If it were • !'Forabut. recently.chosen, and that that was 1 reasot why,
.still
,contended, that under the late ...Ministers the.
it .should not leave been dissolved ; but in his. mind,
Volenteer System declined, let evidence be adduced,
thecircuinstanceofits having-been so recently chosen,
to prove the allegation. The:Hon. :Seconder of the' •
and the circumstances under which it had leeen, eleite
Address, in . alluding to Ireland, had stated, that '
edewere•a egood ground for the Dhisolution, 'II
great dapger resulted to that country from the
7
Noble Lord had argeed in support. of the preceditig
introdedion of the measure which he (Lord Howick)
Dissolution; that it -was necessary tie give to our Al--
had had the.honour to propose. To him it appeared;
lies.ated to Europe a proof that the King and' his Go-
thet the dagger resulted from the failure of the mea-
vernment were supported by an united Parliament and
sure, and , not from its introcludion.' He earnestly,
P-eople. The Noble' Lord, whilst in .office; with.a
pressed his Maje.sty's.Ministers to attend to the ad-
Parliament .in which beeencounterect no formidable
vice of an Hon. Gentleman, , now unfortunately, no
opposition, eicept:updh the Iron Tee, when Mini-
longer a Member of Parliament, the late Attar- '
stets divided. in this proportion ofe to 1 again4eheir
neyeGeneral .:for Ireland, „and " to make Ireland
opponents,:felt it netessary to dissolVe Parliament, iti •
the first and the last objed.of their thoughts.-" He
order. to chew to Europe that we had an' united Per;
believed WO- much atexieten could not .be shewn
liarnent. • But the Noble Lord coteld'see uothine. it,
on
,this .s4jed., Ho should be glad to hear •
the.lest Parliament to justify and) a•trt'easure—lso-'
that some system 'of conciliation was proposed.,
thing in the manner in which the Ties' ion that lee 4 ter
He did pot allude to any extension of indulgences,:
it had cnen brought forwerc4 eor- in 'the manner
but to other regulations which might tranquillize the-
in which it had, begirt supported ; nothing in alt
people. It circumstances of discontent were seized-
tbese, ci alum staricei to- she may grottnti of anpeehez.:
by the Enemy, the might be impor-a•
siceeforehe.-permanence of- Gokternme.et ; notliin g tei'
tantly injurious, and against these oonsequences lie-
sheie that his Mii,jesty!s Government might be lite.'
wished to guard his Majesty's present Ministry. Of.
vented-from the efficientacintinistratiOn 7ot:the public'
Neutral Nations nothing was said in his-Majesty'a
ffairs, Bet lie would appeal to rite Hottee and iii fire
Speech : . when he recolleaed that the late AdMinis- a
-
country; if any reason exi§ted on thieete;Und'for flit;
had beett told by the Gentlemen opposite, that
Dissolution recommended by. the Noble Lett.% which' .
'they, had saerificed the Nev igtit ion Laws, and that they
was not strengthened and.copfir used, as epnii L'd to the'
had provided inadequate means to resist the French
Blockading Decree of the, 21 st of. September, he was letetneasure, by the masiner in which it had been op.'
Posed. On that ground alone heenight rest the neces:,-
surprised, at this, omission He trusted. that the-
sit y of calling •anew I?arliament: But :the II etise nr eet
Learned Gentleman opi'.tosite would 'confess; that,
See that this was a question upon which lsii 17.&iieste'e
hefhad formed an erroneous (Tit-time and that thei;
%•li.!-Alaters must have •deehted-bethre. tbey cattc_t idle,
latter measure especially wee not quite so inefficient
office, and not after. They were tint leo blind ti)!.hle
as he bad annotinced it to. be. : The Hun. Seconder:
situetion in which they,wenildbe.p‘etch'e! if they lied net •
-spoke of the appeal that had ..been made-to the Peo-
made up their minds, in case it glv)uici :ye rteez:siy,
pie, and of -the meltitude of eAddresses that bad
been poured in from every quarter—of the toy, in the .event of the ParliarnennrietemenifeSting di -flee
.
alty of those Addresses, he had .no doubt; but, if. rent sentiments, to call aOm Pauli ;'sierra, -atiti to'
hat would be, W
it were meant to. insinuate, that in those Addresses appeal to the cerise of the People.
the situation•of the King, if his 'Ministers had net'
the. People pronounced the late Ministers enemies to!
made this eippeal to the sense of his PeenPe?. 'Had
the King and the Protestant Religion, he would ape!
peal from the Addresses to the result of the General not his Majesty beets held up as the sole obstacle to
Elealion---ea result s 9 highly- favourable to, the 'late an extension of indi3lgences to a tau at*-portion of his
Subjeti.s,, and against the opinietieof his. late Mitai,
Administration, notwithsetreting the beastly. cry of
}stets,' whcehatt pressed the theathlreas- indispensable
`t No popery,',', which had been raised against •tlitent,
necessary to the interests of the,lNl'eite•? - - iied nht.
To the present Administration - lie had avowed'
himself. to be an enemy —of course, he meant theiK:4;g: 1-)cen, represented as the,:--sielet4l.4ii'er ag;dtiet
this. rneeepre ? , Under these cireninetances, nothinee
a political enemy alone ; and yet he would oppoae'
wes, so necessary to the chara&er•of. the • King a-1:
none of their measures ,which appeared calculated
and an appeal to his People, -in artier to ghee- thin- it
to serve 'the Country. If he
,was as enemy to an
Administration engendered in Court intrigue;—if was not the King alone who was the obstacle to the
lie was an enemy to'an Administration composed of indulgences, ~ but ' the .great majority of the 'nation.'
n these grounds, it • was, -that the . Diasolutioe
men disagreeing 'with one another;---if he .was ail O
had been resorted to, and on
othese'hewesteear:
enemy to an Adtninistratinn which did not possess
vineed that it would appear not 4to bealbjeeliou,
the confidence of the conntry ;--eif lie was ae enemy.
able. 'lt might be-a-question', whether such a rhea. 1
to an Administration,. of the first Man of whom he
sure was justifiable at any particular tirne. An- 1
wottld say nothing—itwas because he was convinced
here.be must, observe, that, if titeeopfnion of the.'
that such an Administration was -Pregnant With the
-.o• . People was to betaken uponethe.Bill introduceil by
greatest dangers to the- Eing slid the:cnstitution.
the lattellittisters ; if,' upon' the tnearsureawhich had
. .
"I' he Noble Lord concluded by Moving an Amend-
. e been brought f nev e
, ati avowedlyetbr iris 'purpose
went to the following effeet :-- ' - ' •
l-, '
" That by a lons experience of his Majesty's gracious con. of.. fOrcintheta back into offic'ee if would beduet, we know his Majesty's invariable wish to exercise his most Troperly elene at the •nettrest. possible time 1
Prerogatives, usefully to the Country ; burour attachment to , when, these events Were t'll ' • ' t ' ' '
s I recent. in t..)etr memory',
his. klojesty, obliges us to I:4y. betoit:him the,ciiiptio9 eon- and ti a ble ;toe fearnia their. judo,
duet or his Ministers, Who, within a few mouths, ha4.ad.:. •whilst
.WY .SIPUId .be
ment With must, accuracy apd correelness. Tice
vised the Dissolution of the late Parliament, in the midst of
its first Session; a measure Adv,ised by his Majesty's Minis. I Noble Lord bad ol;je4--ted to a pasOqe it, tiitt cneeri;

. ell the close of the Last Session, which slated thatthe-
_
'Session was put an end to at a time where that-could
be done without inconvenience to public business: But,, ,•
that was a qnestion :of: ; relative or comparative na.
-tore he Coplot'state,,with:seqinidetice, that Ro ;neon. -
.venieneies.had arisen from tire-,Dissolution-comnen--:.
surate with the goat inwpremeei-of .;calling' .a newer.:.
Parliament. , 1,,prd,11.1(1, first •adverted to •
the inconvenience that arose private •
Bills,and certainlyetornetecenidimegine that e.Disso--
lutioe in the middle of a Session would not be intend-
ed with some iticonvenience to-the partiee-to,this
busi-
ness,. though not to _the. extent.. stated by the Noble
Lord. Ail() the expence, which formed. a •ptiucipal
:part of tha%;inepevenience,
stlm;Neble Lord. Would
'find that:means- could- be_ tded to gender that
comparatively light. - The „expence consisted of the •
fees of rile House, and the cost.of .witnesses. • The
former ,would be obviated by-the known. liberality
of the officers.; ',and as: -to the expeuc of•witnesses,
he lead it in intention to make-a proposition •on Mon-
Wlitch would.do ell that. away: ~When,- he sub-
4.nitted his' peoposition to the House, it would be his
duty toexpleite the neturepf it ; and for, the present,
ShOuld pnl,e state, that he propotte.d to recall
,the
priiceediugs., inu- the ,former, Committees-to the Com
~'.initte'eg*that shoald.now,be appointed, in which Case, -
there wetild.ernO'neceSsity for the attendance of the
-witnesse, asetin.. 'As to theinconvettience to, the pub-
rte. business, the:Noble Lord appeared. to him to be ,
:totall'i mistaken.; ._The Noble Lord assumed, that
ineirre interveLlietween the two Parliaments, public
heeneiswil; as-in 1754, without any Par.
As: to the-fact of the issue
the; Nolttetturd was misteken,because no
i'ecitlsetee,liad been .tnade ..aridhe was sure, the Noble
I,l„f)rd-wdu am ld,Va wlihsatistaktion, that the public
"...oxpenditUre had been MaintaMed out. of the sums
ppropri'eted, by Parlianient.„:p,J know ,oa4 you
said Lord Howick,n a loth Nile,: across ,the
koed Ad„Asenfeti, that he
lie tneaut,• in a, manner that• led him to'
conclude, that -the-Noble Lord supposed hini to be
•”Trongt, but. 4' krieW: :himself; *hat ,he meant, and..thoug4tithe„.Nobl.e•LOrd inistalten. In each Tot the
;13illsresPeEtirigthe.kiglishLoanethqlrishiLoan,spene
duties- of Bxeispedut of the War:"Taxes,,and the ad-
, ditional • duty brandy, there was, an appropriating
.clause,.authaviSing the application of the Monyos,.rais..
'-ed under the Tes pefft I s-, to cVrteines4reices,,vote,d
_by Parliaritent, the .i*Setiti. tfiatliaddakeil.place,
..therefore, th.e.Ctovrtiment-,hathatc.ted according to
and hitter, the~atlt nr t}' of Parliwoent. he
-,Neleje.Lord,-had.4vit gone at length" into this subject,
but he had the authority of that NOble:Lord,- 4o7filt
as silence could: tOnstdered an pviilerice of acq.ui,!'
gescence; on tharoccaiion, in, 1:784, khat,. under eel*•
taro circumstances, Money might be issued by- Go.-
vern merit
,without a. Parliarrientary appropriation,.
Ac_ any rate, he , had the authority: of. a person to
whom that Noble Lord would -not think it a dis-
credit to be compared, the late .Mr,' Pqx, on this
lead. Befol'e-theDissolution a-Resolution
had been voted, declaring it illegal to issue money in
the event of a*Dissolmion, without a :Parliamentary
itipropriation. TheDissoltition took place,the money
was isseed, as appeared by accounts- moved fot• and
laid on the table. in the following. SesSibn, and
sj,et
Fox never thought of instituting any proceed-
ing upon the -subject.- • The • Noble Lord would
*ex contend thee this silence .vas not an admission
i the lekaity ot' the act ;- at -any. rate, the ,Noble.
Lord who bed net. at tlre.'head of the late ' Govern.'
,trot b d ppsacl to diSaPpreee of c4c,
.04*A.44,ak#4.11,4en :puriu,ext iu that instance- A
bare ilesolutioe of the hence was. not ofany of e&
-•aft4i-ja takeu,
tip in ile,tsithsequeret,eSessiqß, andeectotirmed by
some I.4relative ..ectr*Mbrit.v• -imight be
aeke clauses ecje.perpptietiou -w,ere not
itjilec•444-4 M,0e..4-14.1”4.11e:1144-t'ISes46•11, "of whittie- • wafer•.•-iletetioprtati on- .? That At was •
for'the al;prOpriOn,lof sinus
riitieieeyeelet*ev,entat ,;otber sums raised ,
in
that •w-a e,'•,t;lehe:-preatilde •of. that Aft stated'
that -rf• - the appe,ypilation .of. particular .
atenns.s ihaiiiitutar*epriaw., .:arid fen: .the further
leartatiorvkiift.,e)ther-• -nate appropriated
I lailleb t , -approp.rkaLipns had. been
antecedently n4l le Airittig the Sassitn. iAtiot her in-
convenience which the Noble Lord had stated to
arise &cal flfe-ffrNoitiftictil tW 'FiftetictOokof,
the "precqedheei7f the c.opiirnitteß Finance, which
could uot in this Session-be tkoneettted to any sue-
cessfulissue.t.lst-i nAn load_ cfcielbt that it
_wesethe
Xetertninatiop of the present Ministers. to
there'-cthAld
b4tlo!reasaii why_
.tit!i• proceedings of -.the former'
Conmii tee, sborcl. not bpleferr4l9: vbe re,y,iyA one,
The NOble Cord -had • gtsted, that. -the Committee
slttmliftt ite,rJa--lA'.,iie:?rly:is-Posible of the same
MstilFirs-es beffire;;Noith the-leireeption of-the only
two ,D,Aentherst, heir perliamentery; e.. 907
eat; couid,be considere4 assthe friendsof theipresent
There-were, -irthaoubtedly, 'some
er s in the •Cirrunit.tee.- not connededi wkh--eit-her
paEty.. This, therefore, would: be, aneextrAendinary,
mode otiesi,‘"ip. g the 'certnnitte, ap4: the House
w4sulcragiCkltlho recollcid the mapner in which that
CoininitteEr had 'been formed. • The'l-16n.-Gentie=
man, who.:tiad. first, proposed: the appointment:q3f
that Committee had,met the kind supp9rt of.
,the
NOble Lbrd (Lord H. TJetty)• who as • k,indly took,
the nomination Out-of his "hands. The non. Owe:
tletnan, no doubt,-had been appointed .ou the: -Cone-.
tnittee, kzut when, he wished afterwards, to have
roue or two of hi; fiiendS nominated to it, his applica-
tion was rsisted,, because it was indispensable that
the Coni Jaw should, consist of 21 Members
Only. Yet in a few days, this imperious necessity
'vanished, and the Noble Lord.himself proposed the•
addition of three. other Metnbers.:. In this reap ner
ft-was that
,thiS just and inquiring Committee , had .
been formed. But it- should be :reattnhered that
another Administration of government 'had .also
taken place, whose aas were.tebeinquired inte,apd_
yet:the• Cot-UM ittee, was to be, cpreposed
This, howeVer-, Wtatilrl;hreafter be subject pfdiscue-e.
sion, when Committee would be to be revived,
and when it Wcitildbe most seasonatele ti .stateethee
particular aasbf that offier Adininistration that .call-
cdfPr inquiry.- As to what had fillenftorn. the,Ncee
ble Lord on -the. subject pf ,India,:hesew tic,),reeset-
w•hy the Sarne'Course that: had. been in contecepta-4
Con last Session. tirighte net be pursued in
But though no incdtivenienCe would resule to the
private business, and no breach' oflaw -hadbeen coin-
- • • -•-

there was one point. upon which he felt that it *would
he necesary for: him and his Colleagues to come to
the House-far indetunity.--he meant their having
taken- uponthernsekes to continue the provisions of
the Arnericati,Treaty, Which had expired since the
Dissointion.'''• This Treaty had been 'renewed from
ttime-to-..tiMeianrl he trusted the House v,i'otild admit
the propriety of the condua of government respeal-
!ing it; conSitlerinis•the circumstances of otir relations
A;ith that country. • Another topic of 'charge made

by the- rd was•with• respea 'to the Irish
customs ; but he Ni;il3- h31).0' to' state, that this Bill
could' be_passed wit twin -atiy"Violation of the Orders
of thiS. House, or of the House of Peers, and .x.ithout.
any incorpiatitice tb 'the ser'ice. He pro-
posed; dint rhe' B ill • slibuld b broug-m iii, and read a
first time, after
,theT7elZre. ibis_ night;. that it should
be read a second time roAnOrroW, and referred to a
Committee of the whole House on Monday next, in
which ease the-Bill might be finally passed on Tues-
day.se'nnight, the day next but one after the present
Bill would expire. .This. Bill.-had been passed in a si-
milar manner by the Gentlemenopposite,-last Session.
The Noble .Lptil had objeLied...to'--the.l3isiolutio.
whilst .the. events that ,caused it .were yet. fresh, and
whilst .a cry existed,. which .had been termed base;
false, and beastlY, but which had pervaded a ogreat
majority of the Country ;. and 'the Noble -Lord had
inn it to him as a lawyer, or a man,; whether he
thought that the concessions to the Catholics were a
violation of the King's Coronation Oath ? But though
neither the indulgences that •had been. given to the
Catholics, nor the concessions then proposed, Were,
or would be a-violation of
'the-Coronation Oath,. he
would maintain, that if his Majesty„ the obligation of

whose oath was personal, thought them.dangerouslo
the Church, they ought not to be forced upon him
on the authority of any Minister.. The Noble. Lord
had adverted to his conduct on fornier, occasions, as
; inconsistent with.h.is present condua.: 'But the No-
! ble:Lord alluded particularly to his condua in 1801,
when Mr. Pitt went out Of office. ' He should. have
recollected what was the sittiatioa.:of . the country 'at.
that time, and what was the condua of the receding
,`Minister, who did not retire reluaantlY from office,..
nor . oppose his successors with' 'a,: view to, force
':himself, Again into &-office. •Ha , any attempt
been made to. bring, his :Majesty to, the Bar of
that House ? As to the measure of . the Noble
,Lord,. :he should
.solettnly and .sincerely declare,
that if carried, it would' have proved extreme-
, ly dangerous to the Church, because it was only
a beginning of a system which was to be followed up
.by a repeal of the Test Ai` s on the first convenient
ppport unity. Would the Noble Lord state that they
would repeal the Test Mt ?—( res)—Thentheycould
i r
not think it su I . •
rprts9 „ .
, that -those who thought •the
repeal of those Acas dangerous. to the Protestant
Church should oppose their Bill. The noble Lord'had
said, that the measure; had been dropped ; • but -_waS
• it not to he taken up at a convenient opportunity ?
• ,He contended that it was the-duty of those .who
thought the repeal of • the Testt dangerous,, to op-
Pose thi..Bill. But then they were told of .the in-
, numan crY that had.been set up,' and of ! the blood
that might he spilt in consequence...-If the cry
''ere. false, why had it produced such an effea, or
spread like wildfire over the 'kingdom ? It was not
the speech in ' Parliament; northe-addresl• to' his
t 9onstituents at Northampton, of so humble an in-
dividual, as himself, that could produce •such 'an_
Ofqa. • • Hezave• the• Gentlemen opposite -creak for
.• "Vulg. brotight 'forward the Bill as a measure of 'con-
, ciliation,..hut he was convinced that the•desttnaion
of it had prevented the!grievanee. . Though ir Might
ildve conciliated one party, it would have encounter-
, ed the most determined opposition frOm another, .As'
tO 'his Conan& in;the year 1804., the trieasiir6 'that,'
hadthen been.-adopted was 'onto to allow his
Ma-
jesty to-take into his: pasqo,ooQ COr&ign-ttioops, some
of them i :Catholics. What ,had that •to•do with the
Es •
tahltshinent ? It was only teMporary measure, re
sorted to during a.war.,'•,Could any man suppose that
hi,s Majesty .world' think of apppinting any one of
, these 7>reign Officers as First Lord Of-the Admiralty,
or, Cpl/Inlander in'Chief? It was not the effe&of the
late
.measurealorte,-lnit its consequences, that he-ap-
; prehenaed; Another charge.hreatht against Minis-
text; by.the- Noble Lord was, tillit'' tit:influence of
GovernMent had :been eurciseid'heyond all former
exatnple at the late Eleetion. He was convinced,
hawever,'. that no case could be• produced parallel to
what had been brought onder theconsideration of the
last Parliament, zwith regpe6i.tathe Hampshire Elec-
tiqn:e TheNobleLord4ad instancedoneease respeCt7

lug Mr. Grogan, but this was the first he had'heard
The. Noble Lord-bad then stated, that it was.
notorious that ton inspeeting Yield Officers had been
4ppiingatollieVtildntc-er Forc6previons to the EleC-
tion.,. with a 'view" to influence the 'Eleaors. There
might- or might not be merit, in the' appointment-of
these Officers; but his Majesty's present Ministers',
when out of power, had recommended the meastire,
and-now they-were' in office they had adopted
But the same' Officers that had been employed befbre
were:appointed, and they had not been appointed
until-after the 'Eledtion; and. this was the measure
which. the Noble Lord liadiePresented as an exereiSe,
. of !carrnpt infittente at eleCtions' beyond all former
example. The Noble-Lord 'at geared' to him. rather
• rash, in his charge; and not to be acquainted with
some of•thogis of his Colleagues ; what 'would the
House think of the nomination of 300,11 cit inspea7
ing, but -surveying' Officers of tames; who 'could not
be appointed either in law or in fAa tilt an Act of
.Par-liament should be passed, to authorise the ap:
pointment ?: What would they think of the designa.-
tion of so many Officers-previous to the ele6-lidn of
that Parliament-which :was to pass-the Aa'which
was .to authorise' the appointment of theSe
ficers .1 Thertippaintment had • not 'taken place, ber:
• cause;,the Aa had not *gred, anci.tliere remained
for • the Gentlemen Opposfie only to send 'lamentable'
letters of:.apology, .vrliere they had. no 'longer' _die
-power to realise, their. etigagethent4; -Whether 'Or
..not-.these officers were. necessary,- -he did --not ;take,
upon-him then to express any 'opinion.. The; Nbble
Lord had expressed; his 'approbation 'of that expres-
•si on. in the Speech •vhich stated- his A•falBty's deter-
mination :JO •cultitirate •the'-frientlsliip 'Of Foreign
• Powers, and yet; hsked 'whether it was, meant
_by
,thatTto insinuate that' the fate Governtrient had been
.of any negleel•upon. that head. Certai*
inlinnation ot. opinion. had' .been • in tended one way
..or,the other; And-h 6 could truly 'say; that he a'reed,
.in sentiiifetft'xpressed .by, the 'Noble Lord
uppn the \'iubjeCt.-2the•NOble Eard had said, that

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stet by the expreskion of his Majesty's regret ha-
trudseed :Mu-) the Spepcsh, for the failure 'of the ne-
gotiition \vial the Porte. But undoubtedly regret -
for its failure couldsnot bt construed to imply dis-
appOhation of the • negotiation, the failure of which
excited regret. • Bet then. the operations in the Sea
of ;slarmora. and.. in -Egypt had been introduced ;
and here he could most conscientiously- say, that in-
finite labour had been bestowed on the coniposition
of that passage, so as that it might convey an ac-
count of the Jransanions historically without im-
pUting blame to any person. , If the Noble Lord
were to asls. his opinion of theSe as military, mea-
'sures, it Would,. not be difficult to 'give the reply
but unquestionably no such thing was intended by'
the passage in the Speeds. 'He amid not trespass
more at length on the,attentioti of the House, but`
'just to notice two
.or three other 'topics WhiCh had
been advetted.to by' the Noble Lord. 'The Noble
Lord had alluded to etlie military reea4ure which
had originated with his. Right Hon..Yriend, and ex-
pressed his hopes that they would give it a fair trial.
In all -his observations on' this. mnasuree his corn-
parisOns were founded on the conibine.d operation of
the regular recruiting, and' the measure which was
thenlproposed.to be repealed, and which, conjointly,
he still. contended, afforded a' adore ample supply
than the Right Hon. Gentleman's system. But as
long as the ineaaure. of the Right ll'ore Gentleman
'should be in force; no opinions of•his respectieg • it
should be suffered to impede its• progress. As to
the:allusion of the Noble Lerd tO the part which he
had taken on the question respeEtin,g Neutrals, and
the triumph he seemed, to feel. becatistsi•he had not,
On coming into office„ advised advised t he'adopt len of differ-
ent- measures; he had only to say, that he was then
as fully convinced as before that-themeasure of the
Noble Lord was wholly inefficient.. Havhig, gone
thrOugh the whole of the Noble Lord's Statement, he
trusted the House would be convinced that he had:
Made no case out for his Amendment, and that they!
would therefore reject it.
Mr. WINDHAM offered himself to the attention
Of the House, in order to bring,back the question to
its real grounds.' They were all agreed, awit was na- .
tural they should, about the prerogatiVe of his Ma-
jesty to dissolve his Parliament. The Hon. Gentle-
Man, who seconded the Address, therefore, had
,given himself unnecessary trouble in 'discussing a
,question of which nobody entertained a doubt.* His
Noble Friend, in . quoting the opiniOn of Lord
iSomers, that the Dissolution of. Parliarnent during a
'..Session is illegal, had adverted to that atahority,
to spew that if such a lawyer entertained such an
opinion, the Dissolution of Parliament during e Ses-
sion ought not to be resorted to without great justi.
.fication.. That wag the argument of Nohle'
Friend, and ha maintained tie it was a sound one.
The question then before the House was, whether
the Dissolution was founded upon-Wise or good
grounds? It was to this that he objected; and vas
about Jo•state the grounds of his objections. The
question bet Ween Annual and Septennial Parliaments
,wit's a question' only of degree, so was_ theequestion
between Septennial and Perpetual Parliaments ; but
there .:wes.'no --rational proportion in the. history , of
Parliaments), between a Parliament of • tour mouths
and a Parliament of four years. The Right Hen..
.',Gentlernan bad contended, teat theargnments urg-
ed in support of the former Dissohn , • applied with:
equal force to the late Dissolution. But fit Noble
Friend had argued, that at the former period, a new
crisis bad arisen in the war It was net a new War,
'it' wit S--a renewed war ; -and it was therefore desirae
ble that there should be a Parliament Which should,
continue forsome. time, because it Might be attend-
ed with inconvenience. that any change should take
place in the, Riblic Council .of the 'Nation whilst
such a 'contest continued, The doarine of the Right
Hon. Gentle Man went to this, that the Parliament
should be changed until one shrld 'be found that
would accord with what he or ally Other vei-Son might
please-to state to be the opinion of his Majesty ; ac-
cording to this doEtrioe, there should be a new Pat%,
Lament with every new. Adodnistration ; or as'had
been 'grandly and greatly said by him 'who said-every
thing grandly and greatly, the late Mr. Burke, we
should no longer choose Parliaments which might
approve of . Ministers, but choose Parliaments to be
approved of by Ministers. There might be a' crisis
Which'Would require the exercise. of this Prerogative,'
as that in 1784, when a difference between the two
Hotnies threatened, an obstruction to thee progress of
public business. e He did not 'however say, that the
measure, was justifiable in that'instancee though it
' might bedefended on•the ground of that disagree.'
Ment between the,. two Houses. ',Fur his part
thought that the Aristocracy had then received a
blow from which :it had not yet recovered. • He
shoo_ Id not, say what might be the consequences,:
but certainly, there was reason to fear, that the
precedent would not be suffered to remain ne-
glected, and the late instance shewed, that the prin-
ciple is aggravated in each successive application.—
But he wished to know what was the expediency Of
the measure in the late instance, when it produced
all -the inconveniences.: of a General EleEtion, all the
injury to private properties,.and all the detriment to
, public morals, which such an event is,calcUlated.to
give rise to: When all these inconveniencies have
been produced, there' 'should be a good justifica-
tion of the nreasnre: If the Protestant Religion was
in danger, that would be njusufication of. the :mea-
sure ; if the Ministers thought it was in danger, that
would' be a jtlstifieatioti of them,. As. to the cry of
the Church in danger, he would reply to that by
• asking the AtiniStera, :whether they believed that
:thetnselves.. ' • The Catholic, Emancipation had been
the ground upon Which the Noble, Lord opposite
had been able to 'carry the measure. of the Union
With Ireland.' That was the sole ground upon which
'he had `conaehted to it, and that had been the great
objea of the great Charaaer whose name
.had been
su uefiartunately for-their argument introduced by
the Gentlemen 'onthe.opposite side. The Learned
'Gentleman opposite had not felt it necessary to raise
any cry in •theCountiy, when this great wan, whom
healway's 'represented as the most; fit topreside-over,
the Councils: of tie Nation, had imposed a measure
which ,vas to overturn the Constitution: ,But the
Gentlemen opposite kubeving that the_ good sense of
the Country Would. speedily put down the senseless
cry that" had been raised, took advantage of it whilst
it laSted. They: made their hay 'whilst_ the gun
shone;- ThetidecwasehUng frotn theM, and they
would soon have been Lett dry. Msiny Of them mast
have the most sovereigieeonteMpt fur the cry, and it

had 'propagated it with such .7 C altl)3
know. the contempt in which they.held. ny:
the- Fiousetii.take their opinion • of Pot-et;nrne,et,
the means by which they carne, into pox& T,V,it;hl,
any body have thought that they .
should ti,(4.
sterS ? Did any -of
,the;nselvei think. who
had so short a tune before abdicated their offices.
They could not have entertained the ti!l they
took advantage of cry •td dk,,oive th•,! •l 4 irli 1-
ment. \Vhat was to he thought of a .I).nliaMent
chosen tinder such circumstances ? \Vhat wcwl.l-t
People think or it, who wanted .sCParliament
pendent of the Government ? Whit Would they
think of it, who sought the overthrow of th 6 (ici-
vernment by the destrtifrion of the, Parliznuet.n
What was to be thought of -a Parliament, when a
Minister threatened that he wciold diSsolve them
unleSs. they should vote with him ? a threat, from,
not the magnitude, but the audacity, of-Which he'at
that time shrunk, ' though he and 'his eallengtrs
afterwards aged upon it. The Parliament was:Ws7
solved, and they.represented: the late MiniSters, a§
having attempted to force his MiijeSty's tonseieni7e.
They sent them to the Country to be torn to piece.
Thank God, no such event had taken, place. 'Fbq
good sense of the People had,rejecled the cry. The
experiment had produced the contrary etre& from
what was expe6ted. The cry had.otly preVailed itt
distant places, where thew was dot dale to remove
the delusion,. It had not, produced aq etfe& in
any of those places where the popular voice returned
the MemberS, neither in the City of Westminster;
Middlesex, Yorksh;re, nor Nortblk. Those who
contrived to come into power by such means as the
present Ministers, were unfit to hold it,. He de=
dared it to be essential to good government, that
jobs should be inquired alto, and severely animad-
verted Upon. tie condemned and deprecated the
unwise and illiberal policy which proposed to qtiiet
the Minds of the Catholics of Ireland, by an tingna-
lified• declaration, that nothing farther would be
granted to 'them. The ' united wisdom Of BUrke;
'Pitt;-and Fox, bad occurred in approving an Opp-O~
site system. If he were to say which
.he thOUght
safer and more just, to re-enaB all the penal sta-
tutes that had been repealed by the gOod•suse and
liberality of present age, or to stop short in
the gradual and neteSsary progregs to total eman-
cipation, he should not hesitate to declare as his
opinion; that it 'would be attended with more
to stop short at the present point. He contended,
that the King could in no instance be 6119En:it iOnally
snpposed to aa without advisers.. In the instance of
the Dissolutipn, however, the present Ministers Were
the avowed atiiisers, and their condua giving that
advice, evinced a .determination to create aticr take
advantage of a .public delusion; which had in part
produced the desired cited-, but which the :pediol,.:
already repented of, and endeavoured to torredt,.ae.
cording as time afforded the rubanS of retlei•tion and
inquiry. It was:folly to imagine; that becaue the
danger that had hit-ely threatened us was removed tpr
the moment, it Would not again return.: Bonaparte
having accoMplkhed- the sub,iugation of. the other
PoWers, would return upon us. with increased rrleans
And increased fury, in a Manner that would regture
all. the resources of the conntry, and. " 4411 the. Ta..
to etTea,the pfeServalidn.' Tie did 'not
Mean " .Taleats- in the sense in which the
expeession had been cried abroad, but ,setiously,. in-
: chiding.* talents of, the Hon. Gentleinen opposite,
and the whole country. The allusion to events Chat
had -taken place was as the Right Eion-Gentlenian
eiplained; not meant to convey any censure. It thcre
should appear to bel-oont for any blame, he 'hoped
inquiry would fit it wtrere it ought, 'and where he
trusted it would rest.

. .
Geizeral CIA .VFURD spoke , at some length in
justification of the change al:Ministers. The late Mi-
nisters had brought his Majesty before his late Par-,
liament to answe.r,for that change, end a great por-
tion oftliat'Parliament; though Very far trom:a ma-
jority, -having taken part against his Majesty, an
appeal to the PoiPlc to decide between his 11,LajeSty
and his late‘Ministers was deterniinete Upon.
..The
People liskproved true to the.oall, and he. hoped
thelfouse of Commons' Would acquit itself duly and
honourably to the Crown and to the People, He
had stipported the late- Ministers from a high opinion
of their taleots, though' not an exclusive opinion.
He condemned them foratteniptin4; to-force them.
selves.on'the Cr"own, by_compelling• the' Crown tti
dismiss them. Oh ! • sublime patriotism, ending iri
politicalluaide,,and confessed
.self-Murder of their.
body'Hitic.
Sir .1141i111711ILDMAY rose. to vindicate his
charader froM aspersions which the Noble Lord)
who had sat op- Posite.ta him, had ,cast ppon it.. The
m
Noble Lord ought in propriety to have comuni-
_
cated to him his intention of counte.naking the sc.in-
dalous libels uttered'against him and his Hon.. Friend
(Mr. S. Bonnie), in the Newspapers. Without
such notice, it vas not so handsome to Mention then;
seriously in' the Hduse. He gave notice, as it has
been already; his intention to
.do this night, that on
Monday he would move for. an inquiry into the.
whole of the circumstances of the transadion alluded
to between
-him and, the GovernMent. 'rhe result
of the inquiry shew there was
.no foundation
for the scandalous; insinuations uttered agaiost.them.
Mr. DENNIS :PROWIVE thought' the change of
Ministers right, on the simple &mind,. that-his. Ma,
jesty did not approve of the principles, or measures,
of the late Ministers. Hi defended the Dissolution
of Parliament, as a wise and,proper appeal. to.
People upon the change of Ministers,: otherwise, wo
should have a Parliament attenipting.to itopOse
nisters upon the King. He hoped- his 4ijesty, ill
resisting all uncanstitutional'atternps, would akyays
have the unanimous supportof.his People, . ,
Lord COCHRANF, hoped, that as _each party
charged the other with making jobs with a view to
influence the EkaiOns; the conduct of both, in this
resped, woUld be inquired into. He hoped sf.,\sue..
third party would arise which
_would keep aloof from
stiffish interest, and sinecure places, Unless thz.7
aged upon different principles he wduld not suppur4
either of the present parties.
• • Mr. GRATTAN thought I.2ie coiciduta of -the 144.
Ministers, with respell to the Cat polio C iestiQzl, wa3
unjustly censured, by those. opposite. He coi;ld_ not
agree that the late Ministers had deserted the public;
cause in their condo& with resped to that question,•
They had sacrificed their places to their principles,
They had. not ref Used to go out of :office; bUt they
had refiised to give up their principles, atbey.wa4
aisnli:Ssed. He approved of the whole of their cow,