The Sun.
London, England, 1836-12-10 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY, DECEMBER 10, 1836.

IRELAND.

the Tory Radicals particularly are loud in their censures,
because the Government do not bring forward stronger
measures ; but I know that po Ministry can introduce
stronger measures till the people at lriege Efk el,strongly
for them. The people are taunted upon the gtilljeet j the
answer to a Ministerial speech for a stronrro
,r measure
is, tliiit the ,pco,pie (Int want it--that it- grievances
Wouiu iliat pVtitions '
would be laid upon the table numerously slgneu. In
the motion for the ballot, we were asked where our peti-
tions were ; when we spoke of extending the suffrage we
were interrrigated iltiottt petitions ) and.when we spoke also
of shortenitt Parliiiitibill§; iiBf€ gitttilarlk ireetioned.
Why, I ask, wa§ wit the tift§Wef tbl,Off iiiblio'nt a sensible
one, and the tlite§tidit .0E4416-10 I'llitg,stgis Must necessa-
rily be char] TheY (Mist
.tare-
ful how they involve the eiistefiee B,f niSkrial body,
in going against the necessary practices at ..); Ch'lt.the
back-door influence—the control of the Royal mina,
the Tories (who belong to the Court) have over the State.
—(Hear;) The Ministry cannot voluntarily bring forward
measures. I *ill Mabel' say that they ought not to do so ;
for if the people are not clattittfdtiS itt edllltfg otiti the
nistry cannot be efficient.—(Hear, heat.) Whk f &Ira-
plain that the people and the press do not support the Mi-
nistry in making these demands—they complain of others
for not acting, and will not rid themselves. Why not, Sir,
form Political Unions in England? Why not tett s”ch a sys-
tem of agitation as we have successfully established here, in-
stoad of grumbling as they do ? Why not work in the public
cause as we are working here? Why not work as we do—
strike the blow side by side as we do—legally and consti-
tutionally—but firmly and perseveringly 2—(Hear, bear.).
Let them look at Ireland and see what excellent agita-
tions we have got up here. In the old Catholic Associa-
tions, Sir, we had hardly any Members of Parliament
amongst us. Here we have many. We have Peers also
—High Sheriffs of Counties, aye, and Deputy Lieute-
nants among us here. It is a political axiom that perse-
verence is one of the greatest secrets of political success.
The smith find the anvil cold. He cannot work at first, but
he strikes it—blow after blow—it warms—blow after blow
—he sticks to it until he can work with it, but is was his
repetition that heated the iron to its proper and useful tem-
perature. Just so with this Association. The Radicals of
England, instead of considering how they ought to find fault
with the Ministry, ought to come forward like this Society,
and :assist them. They ought to agitate in every place
where the might •be of service to the Ministry, instead
of embarrassing them by complaints. We have a fine sys-
tem of agitation in Ireland.—( Hear, and laughter.) There
is not a parish in this country which is not stirring now.—
( Hear.) We have no further need of church machinery.
We must now have recourse to State, and no man was
ever more anxious to separate Church from State than I
was.—( Hear, hear, hear.) Now the plan I wish to adopt
is one somewhat similar to that which, before, was so
successful. I wish to have two pacificators appointed in
each parish. One to be nominated by the clergyman
of whatever religious persuasion there is in the majo-
rity ; in a great many parts of Ireland the Catholic
is the majority, but in some parishes of the north the
Presbyterian clergyman would have the duty of nominating.
—Well, I would give the nomination of one to the clergy-
man of the majority, and let the parishioners appoint the
other.—(Hear, hear.) I will then move to have a monthly
report of the management of public affairs in each parish
furnished to the Association.—(Hear.) To find how many
voters there are in the parish unregistered ; how they may
be disposed to vote, and how they may be influenced to
vote. lam now come back to the pacificators, and I re-
peat that if we had that system in operation we should
have complete success in ninety-nine cases out of every
hundred elections throughout Ireland. Their first duty
would be to prepare a monthly report of the state of the
parish furnishing in detail, the particulars which I have be-
fore enumerated. Their next duty would be to prevent, as
much as possible, the existence of agrarian outrages. There
is another duty which would devolve on them, that of pre-
venting riots, and faction-fights at fairs and markets. The
Hon. and Learned Gentleman sat down amid loud cheering.
The resolution was then put and carried.
Mr. O'CONNELL then postponed his notices of motion
for addresses to be prepared and forwarded to England.
The Justice Rent received this day was then announced
to be 306/. Is. _

,
MEETING OF 711 P GENERAL ASS OVIATION.
(Abridged from the Mdrninpi Advertiser.)
DUBLIN, Thursday Evening, Dcc. 8, LAW- past Six.
The General Association met to-day, at three o'clock,
Sir WILLIAM BRARAZO; itii•t:; in
The Secretary (Mr: teellai) then Had ig,ll.linttit4u and
letters from Sir Valentine Blake; 13:t., M,:ssrs. P.
Cassidy, Diiasssa -
ano others.
A large number of members were then proposed and ad-
mitted, and a considerable sum of money handed in as sub-
scriptions to the Justice Rent.
Mr. O'Connell entered the theta at four 04clock, and
was reteived with loud cheers.
Mr. Bum,- then handed in 20/. enclosed to him from his
brother, in Liverpool, where the collection had been made,
and moved that the subscribers be admitted as members of
the Association.
Mr: O'CoNtitt.t. seconded the admission of those gen-
tlemen. What they wanted was the combination of all
parts of the empire, and he hailed with alacrity the ap-
proaches of good feeling which were made from one side of
the channel to the other.—(Hear, hear.) What he wanted
to show was, the spirit of union which Ireland was so tho-
roughly disposed to ekhihit towards England, if England
*add give them justice, and if it refused them that, they
would how to act afterwards.—( Hear, hear.) It was easy
to conciliate them, but. it would be found difficult to subdue
them.—( Hear, hear.) He would tell that to the boasters
in England.--(Hear.)
Mr. STANTON then read a letter which he had received,
in which allusion was made to Poor Laws, and the necessity
for them in Ireland.
Mr. O'CONNELL remarked that it was proper that pub-
lic opinion should be collected as much as possible on the
subject of Poor Laws.—(Hear, hear.) The other object
of the Association was to obtain a satisfactory settlement
of tithes, and he candidly confessed that in the consideration
of this, the question of Poor Laws might be brought in by
means of a transition from the one to the other.—(Hear,
hear.) He had chosen the Trades Union as the arena for
the discussion of Poor Laws ; for although there were few
members of it who could not support their families, yet they
could ;lot prophecy that hereafter they might not become re-
duce l to such circumstances as might prevent this ; and
therefore, if there were a system of Poor Laws, there
were none who would have a greater interest in them.
(Hear, hear.) It had been held out that Poor Laws would
be thus far advantageous to operatives, that when they held
out for high wages, they could derive support from their
parishes in the interval whilst they were out of employment ;
and yet it was now the opinion of the Trades' Union, that
Poor *Laws would not tend to relieve the destitute, but
would tend to keep them still destitute, and that the num-
ber of poor would be increased by them.—( Hear, hear.)
The Rev. Mr. O'MALLEY proposed, as a member, the
Rev. Mr. M'Gauley, a gentleman who has obtained some
celebrity for certain discoveries in the science of electro-
magnetism.
Mr. J. H. TALBOT, M.P., handed in some subscriptions
from the town of New Ross, and in doing so complimented
the character of Mr. Walker, M.P.
Mr. O'Cosiisem. concurred in the tribute paid to Mr.
Walker's character, and said he regretted to have heard
that there was some dissensions in the county of Wexford ;
that hint, he trusted, would be sufficient to put an end even
to the appearance of these divisions, which, at the present
epoch, were to be much deplored.
Sir FRANCIS M'DONNELL entered into some details with
regard to the present political position of the county of Kil-
dare, and concluded by moving the admission, as a Member
of the Association, of Mr. James O'Farrell, brother to the
Member.
Mr. O'CONNELL seconded the admission of the brother
of the excellent Member for Kildare.
Mr. O'CONNELL announced the admission of a young
attorney from Limerick to attend to a recent decision in the
Court of King's Bench upon the subject of Commoners.
The decision was of the utmost importance throughout Ire-
land to the Liberal interest. He had also to announce that
a gentleman of decided liberal principles would stand at the
ensuing election for Dungarvan. He was not at liberty to
mention this gentleman's name, as the preliminary arrange-
ments were not yet perfected. There was little doubt, how-
ever, that he would stand, and be returned in despite of
the system of exclusive dealing, which would no doubt be
put in force by the Tories of Dungarvan and its vicinity.
Exclusive dealing had been imputed to the Liberal party
some time since as a fault. It was now, however, a distin-
guishing trait of the Tory character. Mr. West, M.P.,
who, no doubt, had an eye to the elevation of a Judge-
ship, was one of those who had recently promulgated the
doctrine of making a distinction between man and man—
between one religion and another. Who dare say that there
is such a thing as partizan Judges in Ireland? What could
be so monstrous as the idea of a partizan Judge ? If there
could be anything to justify open rebellion, it was partizan-
ship in the Bench. It was a thing of so odious a character,
so fatal to life and property, and at such utter variance with
the first principles of justice, that it was more fitted for the
atmosphere of the infernal regions than to be introduced into
the details of civilized life.--(Cheering.) Nothing could
be more deeply demoniacal than the idea of a man affect-
ing to be a Judge, and being in reality the partizan of a
party. Learned personages of this description, whose poli-
tical sentiments could be supposed to colour their decisions,
were practical rebels—not by the pistol or the cudgel, but
with deep hypocrisy, lurking beneath the ermine sleeves
and stainless robes of the Judge.—(Cheers.) He had
heard that a certain ex-Attorney-General—he could not
himself vouch the truth of the assertion—had withdrawn
his custom from a man who fortunately could well afford
it—Mr. Hutton, the coach•builder, of Summer-hill. The
Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving the admission, as a
member, of the youthful son of Mr. Maurice O'Connell,
of whom he had that day heard favourable accounts.—
(Great cheering.) He supposed that the soubriquet of Mr.
Daniel O'Connell, for so the young member was named,
would be at some future period applied to him, with a view
to his annoyance. All he (Mr. O'Connell) could wish was,
that, at all events, he might serve his country to the extent
that his grandfather could wish.—(Cheers.)
The admission of Mr. O'Connell's youngest grandson was
then put from the Chair, and carried unanimously.
Mr. O'CONNELL then referred to the meeting lately held
in Manchester, at which he was accused of impeaching
Mr. Arthur O'Connor as a traitor. He never called Mr.
O'Connor a traitor ; he thought him a little knavish, but
he never called him a traitor.—(Hear.) He (Mr. O'Con--
nell) did say that 111 r. O'Connor was a gentleman by birth,
education, and talent, and a high-minded man, but that he
took a part in Irish politics which be (Mr. O'Connell)
would for ever condemn, because it amounted to—lrish
Parliaments should lie shortened—no freedom of election
could be effected till the ballot was introduced. Ho was
convinced that no property qualification for admission into
the Legislature should exist, but that the only qualification
should be that of intellect and character. These were
his Radical principles. He disliked the Tories, because
they were the very antipodes of his other motions from
correcting abuses lest it might lead to revolution.—
( Hear.) He (Mr. O'Connell) was a thorough Radical.
He was of opinion that no branch of the Legislature
should be irresponsible. The King was responsible, the
Lords should be so, and be was perfectly sensible that the
Commons would not be responsible until household suffrage
was universally established—(Hear, hear)—that course, and
the Manchester Tory Radicals might speak of him (Mr.
O'Connell) as they pleased, but he never spoke offensively
of Mr. O'Connor, but that he was guilty of the greatest
mistake that any man could fall into, that he could by vio-
lence obtain anything by risking the security of private pro-
perty or general safety. The French Revolution sacrificed
these blessings, and instead of advancing liberty, it terrified
treason. That was no slander of him, because he admitted
it himself. He (Mr. O'Connell) ,vould, be sorry to see him
tried and convicted ; but he was glad that he was banished.
Mr. O'Connor was greatly mistaken when he thought that
he could do any good to Ireland by a Republican revolution.
Nothing worse could go abroad than that any thing but
legitimate, constitutional, legal, and determined agitation,
could effect any good for Ireland. He supported the Whigs
because they went with him a part of the way ; and as lie
got then a certain extent, and received an instalment of their
support, he wonld be more certain of leading them farther.
Mr. O'CONNELL proposed John New, a tithe martyr, as
a Member of the Association. His claims were these.
He was sued for I/. ss. ; he was sent to gaol, and suffered
nine months' imprisonment in vindication of his principles.
The admission of New was by general acclamation. New
said that he was offered his liberty if he promised not to
take an action for false imprisonment, but he refused to
comply with the request, being ready to die for Ireland
sooner than do so.—(Cheers.)
Mr. O'CONNELL then rose and said—l rise to bring
forward the motion of which I gave notice more than a
fortnight ago. We have appointed to the different counties
registry inspectors, and I would mention as amongst the
number, and by way of parenthesis, the name of Mr. Geo.
Dowling, of Kilkenny. We have by the assistance of those
gentlemen augmented the registries in many counties. We
are organizing by those means every property.—(Hear.)
We are obtaining all proper influences co induce the land-
lords to grant leases, and the people to register. We have
thus agitated, and all Ireland is responding to us. The
country is becoming animated from one end of it to the other,
and if we persevere we have a strong prospect of sending to
Parliament not merely 68, which we did under most unfa-
vourable circumstances at the last election, but even 90 out
of the 1 05.—(Cheers.) I have had occasion to refer to the
different parties into which England is divided—l have ob-
served upon the Tories—l have observed upon the Whigs
have made my observations upon the Radicals—and
this I have observed, that the Whigs and Radicals blame
the Ministry for not going further than they have done—

Mr. TALBOT, M.P. for New Ross, was then called to
the Chair ; and after the usual vote of thanks, the meet-
ing adjourned at six o'clock.

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.

FRANCE.
PARIS, DEC. B.—A new project for the marriage of
the Duke of Orleans is now talked of ; the Princess now
thought of is the eldest daughter of the Infant Don Fran-
cisco de Paula, who has remained faithful to Queen Isa-
bella. This young Princess, who is niece on the father's
side to King Ferdinand VII. and Don Carlos, and on the
mother's side to Queen Christina and the Duchess of
Berry, is between 15 and 16 years of age, and is said to
be very beautiful.
The Government publishes nothing this morning re-
specting Constantine, but the Eclaireur of Toulon, which
first gave the alarming news that has been in circulation
for these two days, says that it may be hoped that
it is false, as there is no communication between our
army and Bona, and no dispatches have come from the
Marshal. But the want of news for 15 days after the
departure of our army, is well calculated to keep up the
alarms caused at Bona by the account of the two Arabs
who brought the news which we have given.
Among the accounts circulated at Paris, one of them
which have been most credited is, that on the Marshal's ar-
riving Constantina was found in a better state of defence
than he expected, and being in want of provisions, ho was
obliged to commence a retreat, which is stated to have
been disastrous. Others say that our vanguard charging
the Arabs with impetuosity, entered Constantina with
them, but that the Arabs, recovering from their alarm, on
seeing the small number of their adversaries, obliged them
to retreat—that this movement carried frith it the rest of the
army, whose retreat is said to have been considered diffi-
cult by the swelling of several streams which had been
changed into torrents since our troops left them.
But we repeat it, these accounts are all from the state-
ments given by Arab couriers.
Whatever our opinion is, the most alarming is the si-
lence of the Ministry, unless it prepares to give us an
agreeable surprise. Heaven grant it may be so !
Marshal Soult is not expected at Paris till the end of the
month.—Journal da Commerce, Dec. 8.
FRENCH EXPEDITION IN AFRICA.
The Eclaireur de la Mediterranee, of Toulon, of the 2d
instant, contains the following disastrous intelligence rela-
tive to the expedition against Constantina :—" The steam-
packet La Phare, which left Bona November 28, arrived
here yesterday. At her departure it was known that our
army was retreating towards that town, and that the inten-
tion of attacking Constantina was renounced, at least for
the moment. The troops had to support six or eight days
of continuous rain, which impeded their march, and created
a great deal of sickness. It appears also that the Mar 7
shal met with much greater resistance than he. had con-
templated. The enemy came forth with a force superior to
ours, and possessed a greater quantity of artillery, consist-
ing of field-pieces. We were obliged to leave one of ours
in their hands. We do not learn whether there has been
any serious engagement between our troops and the Arabs,
whether we have sustained any great loss in men, or what
is the present position of the army. The communication
between Bona and the army is attended with great difficul-
ties, and therefore we may doubt the authenticity of the de-
tails. All that we know, upon which we can rely, is the
fact that the Marshal is retreating. We have received
letters from Bona, giving us particulars of this affair, but
in truth nothing more was known there but unauthenticated
rumours. The retreat was made known by two Arabs sent
to Bona. They were immediately shut up, but the news
nevertheless got abroad. We have not received any letter
from our own correspondents, because they were with the
expedition. Bona was in the utmost consternation."
'Phis
account appears to us to be extremely doubtful.
There arc inconsistencies in the accounts of the Arabs
which render it next to impossible to believe that it is
correct. Thus the march of the army is said to have
been delayed by six or eight days of rain, but intelligence
had been received that the French army cannonaded
Constantina on the 22d. Now the army did not leave
Bona till the 13th or 14th, and, in order to reach Con-
stantina on the 22t1, the march could not have experienced
any serious interruption, for eight days are not more than
enough, in such a country, to get over a distance of nearly
40 leagues. The same recital adds that the army beat
the retreat on the 23d. But is it probable that this would
have been done after an attack of only one day ? We re-
peat our doubts, recollecting that, during the expedition
against Mascara, some Arabs who came to the market at
Oran spread similar reports, which were afterwards proved
to be false by the official despatches. These reasons for
doubting the truth of this intelligence, are somewhat
strengthened by the following article in the Ministerial
evening paper of last night :—" The journals continue to
raise doubts as to the force of the expeditionary army of
Constantina. We cannot more effectually reply to them
than by publishing the following desp itch from the Go-
vernor-General of our African possessions, received yester-
day by the Government. It will be s:Tn that Marshal
Clausel, far from doubting the efficiency of the troops under
his orders, relies, on the contrary, on an immediate and easy
success

" Bona, Nov. 13.

" The troops composing the expeditionary corps of Con-
stantina 1611 return to Bona from the 10th to the 13th of
December, and to Algiers on or about the Ist January.
Wu are on the point of departure, General de RignY was