The Sun.
London, England, 1831-11-22 00:00:00

MURDER OF THE ITALIAN BOY.

In consequence of additional evidence of considerable
importance, procured by Mr. Thomas, superintendent of
police, in the course of Saturday, the four men, Bishop,
May, Williams, and Shields, were brought forward yes-
terday, for the purpose of undergoing a special re-examina-
tion. Mr. MINSHULL presided on the bench, and was
a •sisted by Mr. HALLS, Dr. ROBINSON, and \lr. MALLARD.
Lord MONTFORD, and other county magistrates, were also
present, and the office was crowded in every part. Several
hunched persons were assembled in Bow -street, to learn the
result of the examination, and catch a sight of the prisoners.
Mr. MiNsitur.h directed Dodd, the gaoler, to place the
prisoners at the bar, and in a few minutes after they entered
the dock, arid answered to their names. Bishop appeared
considerably cut up, and as the examination proceeded,
nod new facts canto out against him, his countenance fill,
and his eyes, which are full and pt-ozninent, assumed a
glassy appearance, as he listeccd, apparently, with intense
anxiety, to the witnesses. The prisoner May appeared
also to pay partiettlar attention to the evidence, and it was
observed that during the examination he displayed (except
on one (ccasion) none of that indifference and levity which
marked his former conduct. Williams, who has evidently
lest berve than either of his companions, betrayed a restless
ortxiety as the case proceeded, and on several occasions his
colour changed, and his lips grew white and dry. As to
the old man Shields, who was placed rather apart from the
others, and against whom no other evidence has as yet been
produced, except the fact of his hiving carried the body in
a hamper to the King's College, with a full knowledge of
its contents, he stood upright in the dock, in a sort of half
stupor, without once changing his position during the three
hours and a half which were occupied in the examination.
As soon as the prisoners were ranged at the bar,
.Inhn Atkinson was sworn, and identified the hamper.
Edward Chandler was waiter at the King of Denmark
water-house, Old Bailey. On the evening of Friday, the
4th of November, he saw the prisoners May and Bishop
(both of whom he had previously known) at that house
They came there at about five o'clock, and witness served
them with some tea. The witness Seagrove was there at
the same time. The prisoners called for half a pint of
gin, ia ith which he (witness) served them. He drank a
glass of the gin himself, and his fellow-servant had ano-
ther. May also drank a glass of the gin, and " chucked"
a glas-s into Bishop's tea.
Yee. Corder—Did Bishop make any observation when
'ie glass of gin was, put into his tea by May ? Witness—
Yes ; Bishop said to May when he did this, " Are you
going to locus, or Burke me?"
Mr. MINSHULL asked the witness if he knew the
meaning of the word " locus."

Mr. -Harmer (who attended this and the former exa-
mination, to assist the prosecution) explained, that the
word was well known in cant language to describe the act
of putting a man in a state of stupidity.
Witness, upon being questioned more particularly as to
which of the prisoners (May or Bishop) used the phrase
which he had mentioned, ascribed it first to one, and then
to the other, upon which May and Bishop both laughed.
The witness, however, who appeared somewhat confused,
said, that the words were used by Bishop when May poured
the gin into his cup.
Henry Mann, driver of the hackney-coach No. 955,
was the next witness examined. He was in Bridge-street,
Blackfriars, on the evening of the 4th of November irot.,
between the hours of five and six o'clock, when he was
applied to by the prisoner May to take up a fare in Bridge-
street, and go to Bethnal-green.
Mr. MlNammt—Can you swear it was the prisoner
Msy who applied to you ? Look round and see if you can
point him out ? Witness—l know it was May, for 1 knew
him before. There was another man in company at the
time, but I cannt t say it was one of the other prisoners
Mr. MIN SHULL—Did they tell you where you were to
go from Bethnal-green ? Witness—No, they did not tell
me where I was to go. I declined to go with them.
Dr. Ronuisost—What was your reason for declining
the job ? Witness—My horses had not finished their corn,
and I had not taken my tea. Besides, I had another reason.
I knew what May was, and that was principally the cause
of my declining to go with him.
Margaret King, who had on a former examination
stated that she saw an Italian boy standing close to Bi-
shop's house, on Thursday the 3d instant, was again called
forward, and her evidence having been read over,
Mr. Mitistrum. asked her if she recollected how the
boy was dressed whom she had seen on the day in ques.
ton. She replied, that she recollected no part of his
dress, except that he wore a dark blue coat or jacket. The
boy's dress appeared to be shabby, such as other boys score
who went about the streets.
Witness did net remember whether the boy had a hat

or a cap on.
Mr. Mitesnuer. then addressed the prisoners, saying
be had told them before, and now repeated, that they
might, if they thought fit, put what questions they.
pleased to the several witnesses who appeared against them.
May was aware of that. The prisoners then declined
to put any questions to Mrs. King.
John King, son of the last witness, remembered his
mother's washing-day before tie last. It was on a Thurs-
day. I saw an Italian boy standing at the corner of Nova
Scotia-gardens, facing Bird-cage-walk. I was looking out
at our loft door at the time, end I asked my mother to let
me see what the boy had in his cage or box. She refused
I: let me go and see.
Mr. Corder—Can you describe the way in which the
Italian boy stood ? Witness—He stood with his right
foot turned out, and I think his arms as ere resting on the
box or cage, which he carried before him. Ile wore a
brown hairy cap.
Mr. Corder—Have you any recollection what sort of
leaf, or shade, the cap had got? Witness—lt was lined
with green
Mr. Mistsuut.L—Wliat time would it take you to go
from where the boy wes standing to Bishop's house ?
Witness —lt would not take me more than half a minute.
Mr. 111/11,STIU1,1.—Hael you ever seen the boy before?
Witness —I think I have seen him about before. He
used to carry a doll with two heads in a glass case. I saw
him about a month ago. He looked like the same boy.
I have not seen him since the Thursday I saw bitn in the
gardens. He was then standing still, to see if any body
would come and see what he had to show. I did not see
him go away.
Margaret King said that her mother washed on a
Thursday, but she was not sure whether it was on Thurs-
day fortnight or the Wednesday that she saw the Italian
boy in Nova Scotia-gardens. She could not describe his
clothes, but remembered that he wore a brown hairy cap.
She had seen the boy before that day. He was standing
opposite Bird-cage Walk, and had a box or cage slung over
his neck ,by a string. The cap which he had on was brown,
hairy, and rou, h. She del not perceive how the shade
of it was lined, because the boy had his back towards her.
She never saw him since that day.
Joseph Higgins, a police constable of the F division,
No. 35, was then sworn, and his former evidence having
been read over, he stated, in addition, that on Saturday
last Mr. Thomas directed .lames Waddy and him to pro-
eeed to Bishop's residence in Nova Scotia-gardens, for the
purpose of digging up the garden. They went accord-
ingly, and having tried the ground with an iron spit, it
struck against some spongy substance in the earth on the
west side of the garden, and at a distance of about five
yards from the door of the dwelling-house. They dug up
the earth, and found a jacket, a pair of trousers, and a
little boy's shirt. Part of the suspenders, composed of
yellow calico were attached to the trousers, some of the
button-holes of which were broken. About a yard further
the iron rod again struck upon something soft, which
proved to be a blue jacket or short coat, a pair of grey
trouserr, and a striped waistcoat.
Mr. Corder —Did you observe any thing particular on
the waistcoat? Witneot—l perceived marks of blood on
the collar, both inside and out. 1 found in the pocket of
the waistcoat a piece of a small-toothcomb ; and I also
found an old shirt, torn down the centre.
Mr. Harmer—You swear that the shirt was torn as it
now appears when you dug it up? Witness—l
Mr. Mrsistrem,—Look again at the waistcoat, and say
whether those marks of blood were on the neck part when
you took it from the ground ? Witness—They were.
They bad more the appearance of blood when I took the
waistcoat from the ground than now. I took particular
notice of the marks. The colour appeared to be deeper,
and the blood more fresh than now.
Mr. HALLS, having examined the waistcoat, observed
that it appeared to have been made for a grown up person,
and it lad been taken in at the back, in order to make it
fit whoever it last belonged to.
Mr. Thomas observed, that the waistcoat had been taken
in with coarse worsted, and in a very rough manner.
Mr. Mr:estrum. raid, that the fact of the waistcoat
having been made for a man was important, and might be
the means of bringing forward the person to whom it ori-
ginally belonged.
James Waddy was a gardner and a labourer, and assisted
the last witness in digging up the garden. They began at
twelsitio'clock on Saturday, and kept on until four, when
dry came to a narrow border close to the palings, and
;;Ulaouttafeve yards front the door of the house. The witness here
yff"„Adentified the child's dress which had first been discovered.
411'e: Dr. RoereisoN—How deep were they buried in the
Witness.—About a foot deep. Having: found
arptelfings, the last witness tried the ground again, and
d g the grey trousers, blue coat, waistcost, and shirt,
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which have been produced. They tt•ere made into a
bundle, and were wrapped up in the grey trousers.
Mr. Corder—Had you any particular reason for trying
the part of the ground where the articles were found ?
Witness—Yes, our suspicions were raised in consequence
of seeing some ashes spread over the place, and also on per-
ceiving that the ground was loose.
Mr. Mitisttur.t. (to the prisoner)—Have you any ques-
tions to ask either of the last witnesses ? Bishop—No-
thing particular now.
Mr. Thomas went yesterday (Sunday) to Bishop's
house for the purpose of making a more rigid search. On
examining the front parlour, be found, among a heap of
old clothes and dirty linen, the cap now produced.
Mr. HaLt.s—ln what part of the room did you find
this ell)? Mr. Thomas.—ln a corner whore there was
a heap of soiled linen and children's dresses.
Mrs. King was recalled, and the blue coat last found
submitted to her view.
Mr. MINSIICLL—Was that such a coat as the Italian
boy hail on whom you saw in Nova Scotia-gardens on
the day you have already mentioned ? Witness—This
coat is, to all appeaeance, exactly like the coat which the
boy had on ; but there is ❑o mark about it to enable me
to swear positively that it is the same coat.
Mr. MlNstrubb—You are not called upon to swear so
positively to it, but only to the best of your knowledge and
belief. Witness—All I can say is that the coat is exactly
Ike, as far as regards colour, size, and shape, and it has
every appearance of the coat which the boy had on when I
saw him on Thursday.
John King, son of the last witness, was then recalled,
and the fur cap, produced by Mr. Thomas, having been
placed in his hands, he was asked if it was like the one
which the Italian boy had o❑ whom he saw near Bishop's
house? Witness—lt looks exactly like the cap which
the Italian boy had on.
Margaret King, sister to the last witness, having also
examined the cap, gave precisely similar testimony.
Mr. Corder sworn and examined—l was present at the
exhumation of the body of the deceased at three o'clock in
the afternoon of Saturday last, and I feel quite sure that
the body so disinterred was that of the Italian boy upon
which a Coroner's inquest had been held. This body was
shown on Saturday in my presence to the witness Brun.
Augustine Brun was then called forward, and Joseph
Perrag,alli was sworn to interpret his evidence truly. He
stated that he knew a boy named Carlo Ferrair, and that
he brought him to this country two years ago, from Pied-
mont. He was a Savoyard. Witness took him from his
parents. His father's name was Joseph Ferrair; witness
had the boy for nine or ten months, and then bound him
over to another person for two years and a month. The last
time witness saw the boy alive was about fifteen months
ago. This was after he had been bound, and he then
went with his new master towards Bristol, and witness
left town in another direction. The boy who was about
fifteen, lodged about that time at the house of Mr. Elliott,
No. 2, Charles street, Drury lane. Witness saw the
dead body of a boy on Saturday, but be could not iden-
tify the face. The hair, colour of the eyes, and also the
size of the body corresponded with the description of the
boy whom he had named. The tout ensemble agreed.

Mr. MlNsnuLL—Ask the witness whether he can
swear, to the best of his knowledge and belief, that the
body which he saw was that of Carlo Ferrair.
The interpreter having put the question, the witness
replied that the features were so disfigured by decay, that
be could not swear that the face was the same.
Mr. Thom is desired the interpreter to ask whether the
witness remembered any warts on the left hand of the boy
Carlo Ferrair.

The witness answered, that the masks of identity on ti-e
hand were also obliterated by the green colour it bail
Assumed.

Mr. Corder said, that although the witness had pro-
perly given his evidence with so much caution, he appeared
to be satisfied in his own mind of the identity of the body,
for almost ever since he saw it he bad been crying.
Joseph Perragalli, the interpreter, remembered a boy
named Carlo Ferrair, who lived with his master about
eighteen months ago, at No. 2, Charles-street, Drury-
lane. Witness examined the body of the deceased before
he inquest took place, and was quite psitive that it was
'he boy, Carlo Ferrair, whom he had so known. Witness
'aw him alive in the Quadrant, about twenty yards from
the County Fire-office, about a month or five weeks ago.
It was a very wet day, and the poor boy looked cold and
miserable. He bad his cage suspended from his neck.
Witness had seen him about a week before in Portland-
place, and spoke to him then. He could Dot, however,
describe the boy's dress on either occasion, which he ac-
counted for by saying he was too much occupied with his
own business to observe it. The box which the boy used
to carry was divided into a cage, which used to turn round
,eith the mice in it, and they slept in the box part.
Dr. RonrNsoN—Wbat opportunity had you for taking
such particular notice of the boy, as to be enabled to iden-
tify him aft, r death? Witness—l was present when the
body was bound over by the last witness to his new master,
and had besides other opportunities of knowing the boy, for
I was constantly at the house of his master.
In answer to another question, the witness gave it has
his opinion that the fur of the cap produced was English,
but that the leaf was of French manufacture. When the
boy first came to this country, he wore a cap the leaf of
which was similar to that of the cap now prodnced.
The evidence having arrived at this stage,
Mr CORDER said it was not intended to proceed further
in the case that day.
Mr. MlNsfrum. then asked the prisoners if they wished
to say any thing? Bishop shook his head, saying, he had
nothing to say then. The other prisoners also declined to
say thing.
They were then about to be removed from the bar, when
Mr. Thomas begged leave, before the prisoners were re-
manded, to request that Bishop and Williams might be
placed at the bar alone, as he meant to charge them with
another murder. _ _ _ _

Mr. Mussitur,n—ls it your wish, Mr. Thomas, that
the other two prisoners should be removed from the bar
before you make your charge? Mr. Thomas—l am ready
to make my charge in the presence of all four, but I have
no wish that May and Shields should remain.
Mr. Mnsstsur.f. then directed Dodd, the gaoler, to re-
move May and Shields, and leave Bishop and Williams at
the bar.
Mr. Thomas was then sworn, and stated, that he felt
it his duty, as a public officer, to charge John Bishop and
James Williams alias Head, with the murder of another
boy, whose name for the present was unknown. He was
in possession of some evidence at present, and expected
much more. •
Mr. Burnaby, the clerk, asked Mr. Thomas if he meant
to produce any evidence now before the Magistrates in sup-
port of the charge against the prisoners at the bar ?—Mr.
Thomas replied in the negative, and said he meant to
charge the prisoners generally for the present, reserving the
evidence which he had now in his possession, and that
which he expected to receive, for a future opportunity.
Mr. MINSIIULL observed, that Mr. Thomas acted very
properly, and directed the charge to be taken in general
terms, as he wished it. The charge having been written
down accordingly,
Mr. Minstaunn asked the prisoners if they wished to
sly any thing touching this charge.—Bishop answered—
Nothing.
Mr. MtNsuct.r, then informed the prisoners that they
would be brought forward for re-examination on this and
the other charge next Friday.
The prisoners were then removed in custody, strongly
guarded.
A quarrel, it appears, has taken place between Bishop
and May. The latter accuses the former of having brought
him into " the scrape ;" and it is expected that this disa-
greetnent may lead to additional disclosure., should it le
found consistent with the ends of justice to admit May as
an evidence for the Crown.

ANTI-REFORMERS. —WC learn that the
Anti-Reformers here had a muster of their force at the
Waterloo Hotel on Wednesday, and that they counted
seventy or eighty beads. Being of the class that do good
by stealth, they deliberated with closed doors, and the
nature of their proceedings remains a secret; but it is
supposed that they resolved to get up a petition or ad-
dress, deprecating sweeping changes in the representation,
but admitting the propriety of correcting any slight de-
fects, if such there be, in our glorious Constitution.—
Whether a place is to he notified by advertisement for
receiving signatures, or private intimation is to be given
to the faithful individually, to come and subscribe it, we
do not know._ Scotsman.
The American Managers have adopted the
novel mode of advertising for the best productions. Fifty
dollars are offered for a prologue.
Yesterday the RECORDER made his report
to his MAJESTY of the prisoners in Newgate capitally con-
victed at tie last Sessions, Old Bailey, viz.—Edward
Scott, 22, James Davis, 25, George Kitchino, 17, Jo-
seph Langley, 19, housebreaking ; Henry Bunce, alias
Sibley, 26, Charles Cooper, 31, horse-stealing; John
Kybut, 20, Esther Elias, 23, Thomas Davis, 18, steal-
ing in dwelling-house ; James Thompson, 31, sheep_
stealing ; John Pate, 20, Elizabeth Martin, 22, coin-
i”; George Alfred Glover, 31, uttering counterfeit
coin, having been before convicted ; Emanuel Antonio,
84, cutting and maiming. All whom his MAJESTY was
graciously pleased to respite during hie Royal pleasure.

tr„ ,-Aill.

LONDON,
TUESDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 22. 1831.

Events of importance now crowd upon the
country. Parliament is to reassemble as we last
week stated in The Sun, on Tuesday the 6th of
December. This is as it should be—prompt
and energetic—prepared for the emergency, and
determined to meet it at once.

The alacrity of Ministers in calling Parliament
together so early scatters to the winds all the
insidious misgivings of the lukewarm friends and
the false assertions of bold, but desperate
enemies. The friends of Reform may now rest
assured that the great measure will be proceeded
in with as little delay as possible. So far so good.
With respect to another resolution of Minis-
ters—the suppression of Political Unions, we
are not prepared to go band in hand with
them so readily. That they may have been
rather startled at the appearance of military
organization lately manifested by the Bir-
mingham Political Union is very natural—
but as the present Proclamation is directed
against all Political Unions or Associations,
we are apt to think that they have gone too far,
at least, in the first instance. Their resolution
may have been taken providently, but we doubt
its wisdom or policy in the present excited
state of public feeling. What, we ask, has given
birth to Political Unions, but the necessity,
the crying, absolute necessity of Parliamentary
Reform ? And are the people to be prevented
from associating for the expression of their
honest loyal feelings, and seeking for a redress
of grievances in the representation—griev-
ances felt to be so intolerable that the
public dissatisfaction has become universal ?
We are convinced that Ministers entertain no
such wish ; but we fear they have gone
too far at this particular juncture. Such a
step will not conciliate the Ultras, though
it may partly estrange the affection of those
whose confidence in the patriotism and hottest
intentions of Ministers has been unbounded.
At any rate, we hope that the spirit of the
Proclamation may not be too harshly acted
on ;—that Tory Lord Lieutenants and Anti-
Reform Magistrates may not be allowed to exceed
the proper bounds of discretion, and by an over-
excess appearance of loyalty, provoke a breach
of that peace which they affect to pre-
serve. The best and only safe plan for sup-
pressing Political Unions is speedily to pass the
Reform Bills, and thereby remove all ground for
complaint. While grievances exist, men will •,
always ;Associate for their redress. Common
wrongs beget mutual confidence, .and generate
mutual resistance.
The following is the Proclamation :

" Whereas, certain of our subjects in different parts
of our kingdom have recently promulgated plans for volun-
tary associations, under the denomination cf Political
Unions, to be composed of separate bodies, with various
divisions and sub-divisions, under leaders, with a gradation
of ranks and authority, and distinguished with certain
badges, and subject to the general controul and direction
of a superior committee or council, for which associations
no warrant has been given by us, or by any appointed by
us on that behalf: and whereas, according to the plans
so promu'gated as aforesaid, a power appears to be as•
sume I of acting independently of the civil Magistrate.,
to tvhose requisition, calling upon them to be enrolled us
constables, the individuals composing such associations are
bound, in common with the rest of our subjects, to yield
obedience and whereas such associations, so constituted
and appointed under such separa•e direction and command,
ate obviously incompatible with the faithful performance
of this duty, at variance with the acknowledged prin-
ciples of the Constitution, and subversive of the authority
with which we are invested as the Supreme Head of the
State, for the protection of the public peace : and whereas
we are determined to maintain, against all encroachments
on our Royal power, those just prerogatives of the Crown
which have been given to us for the preservation of the
peace and order of society, and for the general adrrntago
and security of our loyal subjects:
" We have therefore thought it our bounden duty, with
and by the advice of our Privy Council, to issue this, our
Royal Proclamation, declaring all such associations so con-
stituted, and appointed as aforesaid, to be unconstitutional
and illegal, and earnestly warning and enjoining all our
subjects to abstain from entering into such unautho-
rized combinations, whereby they may draw upon
themselves the penalties attending a violation of the laws,
aad the peace and security of our dominions may be
endangered.

" Given at our Court, at St. James's, this 2lst
day of November, in the 2d year of our Reign.
" GOD SAVE THE KING."

We have just perused a pamphlet, entitled
what will he done with the Lords ?" which,
had strength cftliought and soundness of argu-
ment the slightest chance of influencing the
Veers—and we have still hopes, though faint,

that they will—would at once ensure the passing
of the Reform Bill through the Upper House.
The writer is no alarmist ; he puts the question
in his broadest light, it is true ; but he advances
nothing but what the experience of every man of
common sagacity will at once recognize to be the
truth.

Alluding to the creation of new Peers, the
writer says " If the House of Lords manifest
an intention of again rejecting the Reform Bill,
it is quite clear that the Ministers must create a
large batch of Peers. The evils of such a proceeding
are manifest ; but they are as dust in the balance,
compared with the evils which would result from
any further delay in the passing of that great
measure." Again, "in the first place, the
question arises, how many should the batch con-
sist of ? It is quite clear that more would be
wanted, than at first sight might be imagined.
You must of course make assurance doubly sure
as to numbers, when you are once about it—and
you must allow for the defection of some of your
present supporters, who might perhaps think
more of the interests of their particular body,
than of the country."
This is putting the question on its proper foot-
ing. Not a retail, but a wholesale defection of
Reform Peers must he calculated on in the event
of a new creation : the Bill, therefore, cannot be
looked on as safe, until at least a hundred new co-
ronets
have been emblazoned on as many new car-
riages. We must have fresh Peersby the dozen, or
we shall do nothing. For the materials out of which
they are to be manufactured, we must ransack the
East and the West, the North and the South,
or, so surely as to-morrow's sun shall rise, we
shall be again left in the lurch. This is a harsh
necessity. Granted. But there is no help for
it. The question has come to this pass, either
that the Peers or the people must yield ; either
that the House of Lords must be drenched and
diluted even to nausea with this new infusion, or
that the country must be surrendered up to all
the horrors of anarchy. A mean course is no
longer to be taken with safety. Sir ROBERT
HALFWAY in the Commons, and Earl HAR-
RowBY in the Lords, attempted this expe-
riment ; but it was received with as much scorn
by the people as even the rejection of the Bill
itself.

We agree therefore with the writer, that, in
the event of the Upper House again daring to
tell the people that they are mere animals, and
to be treated as such, a creation of Peers is in-
dispensable ; but we differ from him, inasmuch
as he would make this creation a dernier,
whereas we would make it a premier resort. The
majority of the House of Lords, as at present
constituted, is neither more nor less than

a faction, consisting of two parties, Ul-
tras and Tories. A popular Ministry
has plainly no chance with this confederacy ;
it will be teazed and thwarted, and cajoled, now
by open, now by insidious machinations, in every
measure that it puts forth for the good of the
people, and can therefore only hope to make
good its footing and neutralize the mischief of the
faction, by an extended creation of new Peers•
There can be no chance of good government for
England, Until the PITT and LIVERPOOL
squad has lost its ascendancy in the Upper
House. Make up your mind, then, my Lord
GREY, to create a new batch of Peers, and let
the country see their names in the Gazette ere
yet another week has elapsed. Otherwise,
backed as you are by the KING and the people,
rely on it, you will yet be out•manceuvred.
As for attempting to coax the Anti-Reform
Lords into submission, the very idea is pre-
posterous. " Can the iEthiop change his hue'
or the leopard his skin ?" Can those who-
have spent their whole lives in plundering the
people, be persuaded to resign all hopes of
further peculation ? Never, he must be a mad-
man who could hope such a change.
Something, perhaps, may be done with that
blessed Bench, ornamented nightly with such an
exuberant profusion of wigs and lawn sleeves,—
for the Bishops have always been true to their
interest as the needle to the Pole—but the
temporal Peers will never, never change. Though
not remarkable for purity, they have ever been
immaculate, as compared with the Bishops,
and will stand firm as Caucasus to their text.

This brings us to the writer's question, " What
will be done with the Lords by the country, sup-
posing that they continue at issue with them on
the great question of Reform." We answer,
the country will first rid itself of the Bishops ;
it will then attack the law of Primogeniture;
and then, by way of interlude, take every opportu-
nity of subjecting the Illustrious Howe to all
those annoyances which a fertile and excited
imagination can so readily conjure up. Rent-
day will be a day unknown in the ca-
lendar ; lands will be seen ploughed up
oftener than the Farmer's Journal would re-
commend ; the road to a great Lord's Palace
will be found by the conflagration lighted up in
his Park, and himself be eaten out of house and
home by a synod of Special Constables, whose
digestive capacities will be their least recommen-
dation• . _ _

gs—we shudder even
We deprecate these thin
at the bare anticipation of their occurrence—but
e fear, should the Lords a second time spurn the
be C Ato
willioun,..
supplication of the people, they
fall far short of the reality. When the blood is up,
it is too late to appeal to the reason. The Peers
should ever bear this in mind, and consider
besides, that by wisely conceding to what cannot
be avoided, they will preserve their Order uncon-

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taminated, ani secure even at this, the eleventh
hour, the blessings of their forgiving countrymen.
As for the Spiritual Lords, we have no en-
treaties to make to them. They have sinned in
the public mind beyond all hopes of pardon.
In a word, they are excluded from the act of
amnesty as effectually, and far more justly, than
Marshal NEY at the capitulation of Paris.

The following are extracts from German
Papers received this morning

CONSTANTINOPLE, Oc`r. 10.—The Capitan Pacha, his
fleet having suffered severely in a violent storm near Rhodes, is
on his return hither, as the ravages of the cholera at Alexandria
forced him to giVe Up the inelination of going to that port. The
Viceroy himself has left the country and embarked for Candia.
On occasion of the annual distribution of powder, for the use of
the capital and the adjacent provinces, which is made at St. Ste-
fano, on the 3d October, Said Effendi, the superintendant of the
powder magazine, gave an entertainment to the Sultan, at which
the Caimacan, the Scraskier, and most of the great men of the
empire,were present Sultan Mahmoud drove in the magnificent
carriage which is among the recently received presents of the
Russian Court, which was drawn by fourteen horses. The fete
continued for three days, after which the Sultan returned to the
capita:.
Some time ago the Catholie Armenians Were put in possession
of their houses, which were sold to Turks during the persecu-
tion ; only those houses Were excepted which had been painted
by the Turkish Dervises in the fashion of the Mahometan
houses. Orders have now, however, been given by a Hatti-
Scherifi, that those painted houses in Pera anti Galata shall be
quitted by the Turks and restored to the right owners. Halil
Bey, Director of the Board of Customs at Constantinople, is ap-
pointed by the Porte Commissioner for delivering up these houses.
The North American Ambassador, Mr. Porter, had on the 3d
of October a conference at the Porte, at which the ratifications
of the commercial treaty between his Government and the Porte
were exchanged. Mr. Hodgson, the Ameritan Charge d'Affaires,
is already gone to America with the ratified treaty. Accounts
from Salonichi speak of the discovery of a plot among the troops
to mutiny and set the place on fire, in consequence of which nu-
merous arrests had taken place. The citadel of Scutari still held
out. Ahmed Pacha commander of the cavalry of the Sultan's
guard, was sent at the beginning of October to the Grand Vizier's
camp, probably to give him orders to quicken his operations.
The sanitary state of Constantinople is greatly improved. There
are but few cases of plague, and the cholera has entirely ceased.
VIENNA, Nov. 9.—The Emperor is still at Schonbrunn, and
will not return to the Pa'ace in Vienna before the 16th. Though,
after a long series of fine weather, we have bad for these live clays
wet and cold, the cholera continues to abate, and even during the
vintage no remarkable cases of cholera occurred in the country,
as was expected.
TRIESTX, Nov. 6.—We have letters from Candia to the 16th
October. They say nothing of the arrival of the Viceroy of
Egypt in that island, stated in the last accounts from Constanti_
nople ; but they say that he had taken refuge- from the cholera
on board his ships, and that it was the more probable that he
would not come to Candia, as he endeavoured to avoid a meet-
ing with the Capitan Pacha.
VIENNA, Nov. 10.—Five per Cents. Metalliques 894 ; Four
per Cents. ditto 80; Bank Shares 1,160.