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And judgment, as a grantee 'to the "bug for.shffer-
iug it to paSs into a law; and disgrace the Statute.
Atiok ? No. Quite cluip-fallen. The Secretary of
State for Ireland,; (a. Mernber across the Table,
There is no Secretary of State in Ireland.") Well,
Seeretary to the, Lord Lieutenant, Sir Arthur
Wellesley, never-he's asserted in this. Souse, that such
Bilis were rendered necessary from the State of Ire-
land. He knew better, he was so convinced, be would
not hazard tiii 'chara6ter upon* hasty considorations.
But recolleoling the circumstances. of the tithes, is
it possible to believe the' Right' EfOriourable Gen-
' ilemari serious It is at a period When treason 'is
sail to be ripe in Ireland, when disaffection' is sup-
posed to be *general, and insurrection actually or-
ganized; is that a-proper. period 'to send the Chief
Civil ..btlicers, to whom alone is entrusted the
duties of the Irish Natien, upon an Expe-
,, sliticn to the Baltic I ,Is 'say, a fit or conve
it tinie, when most loud in your cries, and pro-
scripticns and persecutions'lagainst Ireland, that' WI-
-I,ViS:tly you deprive it of ittii military force, and
1,- ruin to garrison it Witli.tkVti Coercive and'penal.
of Parliament'? If tit is possible that
tiers can be sincere in such Condi:tat, I know. not
T 4 what to 'attribute it, but to' that ignorance which,
they profess 'to have `of the , Country, and to that
oletice of temper which is . ever bent to
.oppise
that which
,a wise policy diEtatea,' but prejudice
decries.,
:Ur. CRAIG, in,a bold and animated manner, de-
fi,..l2cled Ireland from tilt; unjust imputations against
its loyalty and allegiance. was convinced that
die true policy in governing Ireland was to extend
to its people the full participation of Constitutional
rights. He then declared his conviction of the in-
justice and impoliey of, the present Bill, and strongly
supported the Atnendmdit of the Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. P. I*,Oft.).
• The 'question was- then loudly called for, viler'
,the Hause divided. For the postponement of the
Bill to that day three months, Ayes, 28,; Noes; 80";
Majority,
Upoit our re-admission into the gallery We found
T,orci HertitY PE.Trr upon his legs-,i'Strongly op.;
posing the duration of the 13111; it then stood,
fchr two years„ and the • ensttitig:i Session. of Parlia-
ment.' after , their expiration. fie contended, that
dills of such a, description," Which so particularly
trenched upon the liberty of the subjeo,, and which
could only be tolerated by a strong feeling of.neces-.
4ity, ought only to be enacted annually, for. this
reaSon, that the House should unceasingly and
rctiiit tingly' apply itself to the conaideration of the
necessity', and to the, adoption •of a suitable re-

medy. Sci feeling, he' propeSed an Amendment, li-
initiorr thf. duration of the Bill 'to one year and two
. 0 •
i'iontlis' after the Meeting of the ensuing 'Session of
Tarlianniht: .
The CHANCELL ..41zeeE X C UER
• vitiserlT'4;* that it was only, .a beAess.:tepetition 'to
reply to objections which hall beta, qtated sand' rm..'
!.wered in the'discussion of a Bill .(the .Insurreaion4
founded upon a Similar principle, and
.upon the
,saute neeessity... The Noble Lord and his friends'
not only admitted that necessity, but were actually
jn to a& upon it, in a way similar to that
adopted by the present Administration. lle there.
Wre could see nothing in the Amendment of the
Noble' Lord, but an inclination to procure those an-
imal discussioni, which, if they did not augment, iti
no degree tended to diminish, the causes ohltat ne=
c, silty, which was admitted and' regretted by every
Side of the House.
Mr. SHERIDAN denied that though the two
Bills (Insurrection and Irish Arms) advanced pari
tossu, that therefore they were analagous in their
principle. In the former Bill, the power of pro-
claiming Counties was vested in ,the Lord I..ieute
ham, but the search, for' arms, under the present
Sill, Was vomMitted to 'the Irish Magistracy. If ,
the necessity,fbr this Bill must exist for years, in the
of
.truth, tell the people of Ireland at once
that it-is Their inheiitance. But let not the Right Hon,
Ilentlemen when they have manufa&urect the ne-
cessity„ and promoted the .disaffealon, call 'upon,
Porhansent to sandion their enlightened expedients.
The amendment of my Noble Friend" wisely says,
it' the Hill can only be defended- by necessity, then
nn let it be 'compulsory upon the King's Ministers an-
*tally to prove to Parliament and to the Counttythe
existence of that necessity.'
Mr: Eudur could not reconcile the, poSition,
• e,at because he was friendly to the principle, -he
Ought therefOre to support the duratiOn of the Bill:
With him it was a strong feeling, that in proportion
as art attacit was made upon a constitutional privi-
lege, n greater. jealoUsy should
.be exercised. lie
.'el•lot.isly recommended to the House to consider the
state of Ireland, and to advert to the 'benefits that
Country woutd derive frem an extension 'of
tights to its Catholic population, modification in the
eolleetion•of Tythes, a proper system of National
Education, ,atid proviSion.for a resident Clergy.
Mr. WILR.B.R.FORCE argued at some length
in support of the advantages of infusing into' the
'lrish peasantry the seeds of religions knowledge, but
'oPPoSed the Amendment.
Mr. WINDHAM supported the motion of the
Noble Lord. Sec contended, that Without:any
koper et-leas, .such a Bill might, if necessary, be
annually introduced in the same way as the Mutiny
Bill was' Indeed he felt convinced that though the
vinciple of the present measure might be .justified
netessity, yet he would accord with his Right
T-ron: Friend (Mr. Sheridan), that with such provi-
i;ions, and in such hands as at present, it was calve-
.l:iied to do more hiIPITI than good.
Upon the,Question being put, the numbers were,
for' the original Climse,--Ayes 79-,:-Noes I\l3-
joritirigoinst Lord Henry Petty's Arn'endment--1,5.
Thetill was then, read a third time and Passed.
The Irish Militia Completion Bill was coMmitted,
tiara the Report broughtnp. Ordered to be read 'a
third time to-morrow, ' •
At Twelve o'clock the House adjourned.