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bleb he is to act, and the results are great delay
and public loss in transacting the business of the gran:l
J.?rey. All applications for public works are to go before
t.. 11 special sessions, as at present, for investigation. A
Report of the proceedings of these sessions, with all
Papers and documents, is to be transmitted for final
union to the county board. The laws relating to
oe
s° civil duties of grand juries are so numerous and
,intricate, that some of the most eminent counsel in
Ireland will not venture to give an opinion on matters
bevonnected with these statutes, unless the particular section
chapter be pointed out by the solicitor who consults
th. It is not surprising, therefore, that grand juries
last Grand
not readily comprehend such complicated laws. The
4Urand Jury Act requires that the particular section,
ilauthorising,o a presentment, should be cited in each applica-
tnn• Any person who has atte"...acd special sessions must
select how difficult it is to '2,omply with this provision—to
the proper sectio
ts.mine•
b clauses Wit Is amongst a hundred Acts, con-
ereesssiion, nod tout any arrangement or order of suc-
v.:feting to a vast variety of subjects. The
detue,t nfr. -such a state of law is, that many gentlemen arc
.red altogether from attending sessions, and many im-
...°!tant public works are obstructed or prevented from
''lng executed. A 'distressed population is thus deprived
of ePloyment, and is forced to seek relief in England and in
either countries. By the Bill which he proposed to intro-
the provisions of this confused mass of laws were
consolidated, and various amendments were introduced,
tail the entire was written in plain intelligible language._
; ear•l This, he trusted, would be fOund an useful
einvenient. The board is to appoint a bank for the
rer-eipt of the taxes ; and thus losses 'from the insolvency
15f treasures would be avoided. An alteration is proposed
the collection and appointment of county rates, by which
the landlord is made liable to a certain portion of these
talc es. This provision is in accord with a recommendation
:t the committee of 1830. The landlord as grand juror
ea the power orsettling.the amount of tax to be paid
11Y
is tenant in effecting permanent improvements in the
raY of public works. After a short lease, the land-
pen can step in and take advantage of his tenant's ex-
in Of late years county-rates have risen greatly
recainount.-4Hear, hear.) In Waterford, within the
recollection _(Hear,
many persons, the rates have risen from 8/.
'IJ 10/, to 1.51., 201., and even 2.5/. per ploughland. This
'se has certainly been accompanied with great improve-
qt in the way of roads and public works. But it is un-
Jnist and unmerciful to lay the entire burden of expense on
hay
rack-rented tenantry. In taking a lease no tenant could
lave expected such a rise in the amount of county-rates.
4a Order to remedy this injustice, the Bill proposes that
w•
hen a valuation has taken place, the county treasurer shall
ailhis warrant state the poundage on the annual value pay-
se. by each denomination of land. And then every party
vingpaid rates directly or indirectly, may out of the rent
at Payable by such party for the same property, make a
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function not exceeding 3-4ths of such poundage on the
411.'11141 rent thus payable, as shall have been used for ascer-
tomi
Le lig the rates in consequence whereof the deduction shall
14141ned• Suppose the occupier's tenement is valued at
1. per annum, and his rent be also 1001. If he pays a
ler,°4ll,daD of Is. ate, he can. deduct a poundage of 9d. from
i% rents ; that is to ay, if he pays 5/. he can deduct 3/.
tel°ll°' -front the next rents payable by him. But suppose that a
20
taut, having a holding valued at 100/., pays a rent of only
eat' and that his county-rate is a poundage of ls. on the
20111.101 his farm, he can deduct a poundage of 9d. on the
fsn•
lent ; thatis to say, he pays 5/. rate, but he can deduct
in his landlord only 15s. The clause is so drawn that,
iintder it, every person will pay rates in proportion to his
10 erest in land. A considerable portion of the Bill relates
ja the mode of obtaining compensation for land taken or in-
„ ted for public purposes. In England the amount of.corn-
tensation is at once ascertained by the verdict of a jury ;
4titt. in Ireland the owner of land can only obtain compen-
aption
entering a traverse to the presentment of the
trid jury. The traverse is then tried at the assizes, and
amount of compensation settled by a petty jury ; the
Costs
of this proceeding are paid by the tenant, who has to
eiemploy counsel and agents, and to send forward witnesses
Co his Own expense. He had known occupiers to lose a
rolliderable portion of their land in consequence of a new
_ad being made through the best part of their farms with-
gout receiving any compensation whatsoever. The costs of
pro receiving
would probably exceed the amount of comp.en-
.4°n, and they were thus deterred from obtaining justice.
tees remedy it is proposed that the committee
. of superin-
se;Trij.e may settle the amount of compensation by agree-
ef"' with the owner. If
.the owner refuses the amount
illerd, the compensation is to be determined by a jury
in England. If the jury award a smaller sum than
i'at offered by the committee, the costs of the ver-
dict are to be deducted from the amount of compen-
n, but otherwise they are to be paid by the
la.°°°tY Board. By another part of the Bill it is
te°Posed to give the County Board power to de-
tisterriine what tolls are to be taken or paid for the
ef
(Ito any public work executed by a contractor. I
tieaseeer the
grand jury laws, at present, the grand jury pos-
case,,d a Power of settling the amount of tolls in certain
'to .1);' and the Bill proposed an extension of these powers
to eae,aercised by the county board. He had endeavoured
it wePtain the principal clauses of the Bill, and he believed
tail en cunt 11,0 t necessary to enter into a more lengthened de-
Nose i,l°_,e Present occasion. The other clauses could be
seheeauilY understood when the Bill was printed. The
Provi ‘es contained numerous forms suited to the various
reiatisions
e,„ which they referred. The forms in particular
11seful' (.° the conveyance of lands, would be found to be
bring in 11" sufficient. He would now move for " leave to
of 4) is Bin for the administration of certain civil affairs
kreeal nature by county boards in Ireland."
The WYSE seconded the motion of his Hon. Friend.
Question was then put.
VOTES OF THE HOUSE.
kr% Sc'' ARLETT, before the public business proceeded
er, be„._e
d to call the attention of the House to a cir-
liea7t)ance of a very serious and important nature.-(Hear,
Vot TWO copies of the document usually known es the
consider with the Speaker's name attached, differing
.very
laced ably from each other, had been printed
.and eircu-
tion,;, Ph, oh !) The one contained 18 notices of mo-
this nu: the other 20. He was desirous of knowing how
11,,41,1a.,,i1ce between the two had occurred.
wis-e'EAKER said it had arisen from the two notices
of h the lion, Member had adverted having been given
fivetl erY !ate hour of the night, when their having been
been Was not clearly understood. They had, consequently,
eise„,innitted in the first copy, and the second had been
Aired to supply the omission.—(Hear, hear.)
one der 4 few words from Mr. WARD, who had given
the notices, the subject dropped.
Lord ‘..COUNTY BOARDS—IRELAND.
ttissie 'IIORPETH reverting to the subject, the dis-
ther et: which had just been interrupted, doubted whe-
. alteilite Legislature was prepared to adopt so sweeping an
Bill brie° in the system of grand jury laws as the present
tO th`e.°P°3e• d, Without pledging himself, however, either
offer Principle of the Bill, or any of its details, he would
ouggc,"e4. °Pposition to the Hon. Member's embodying his
Hou;s:.lils in the Bill which he proposed to lay before the
Leave Was then given to bring in the Bill.
IVlr. RITA PRIVATE BILLS.
1:"v
'very 4E, in pursuance of his notice, moved, " That
-ttett
Coate Bill, hereafter comiritted by the House to a
4.4 e
Paredtee, shall be committed to a Select Committee of
,Members, drawn by ballot from the list or lists pre-
tie liiiitlnuer the direction of Mr. Speaker, and to which
ttonse ',would, by the standing orders and rules of the
kr ',nave been submitted."
terstal-°WLETT THOMPSON could perfectly un-
/too. 41 with what purpose a motion as that which the
k°rde,,entleman had just made, could be drawn up, and
4 ,„„ bOt he felt great difficulty in conceiving how such
etyr°o(Piosi▪
tion could be carried into effect with any chance
;00 . !icing beneficial results. There was no fewer than
•was
torbleate Bills before the House this session. What
%roan e done with 240 of those Bills, after the Hon. Gen-
-60.....„,„f1ad disposed of the whole House with the remaining
\ 41-ear he
°use -
the If the lion. Gentleman divided
. the
vote a ",l'on the question, he should feel himself obliged to
• Mrgainsl him
H LIE replidied.
"e Hous Me
then vided, and the numbers were—
NAyes .... 15
oes *****************
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78
siv Pin the Majority — 63
.motiou of Mr. J. C. DUNDAS, leave. was
en
of an .‘" bring in a Bill to alter and amend so much
cents Act of the 4th and sth of his present Majesty as pre-
p, certain
roentun
sums
osfeammen belonging to Shetland from paying
on.ey payable under that Act to the sea-
tsB fund at Lerwick, in Shetland.
.n, POOR LAWS (IRELAND)
f°l' ‘',ERIEN rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill
been e relief of the destitute-poor of Ireland. -0,000/. had
1° guaest!!ndefin inquiring into the necessity of establish-
xpenrein poor laws in Ireland, and he trusted this
berleficittir oft
he public' money would be followed by some
r—(Hearhear.) The miserable condition
in the Poor of Ireland could not, he believed, be paralleled
fosan.;T:th. ben
country in Europe. It would be, he thought,
systeLtin benefit of the landed proprietors of Ireland that a
8114111 d 14)f poor laws, providing for the really destitute,
° " introduced into that country. In the Bill which'
Pro)," about to lay upon the table of the House, it _was
central-resed to establish a local administration, and also a
b
%Tara), "rd of control ; the former to be composed of the
the Go tors to the' rates, and the latter to be paid by
first veroole, d. '
responsible to Parliament. The
to
st. liitY of the central board (which he should propose
°f Is titulish in Dublin) would be to divide the counties
two rid into districts consisting of a population of
nimn, thous
as a minimum, y
ou five thousand as a maxi-
(' each of which they wld allot local boards, in