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side that they were nut to be ltt ow-beaten. If he were
defeated, he would st there till five o'clock the next day.
The motion being seconded, the question was put.
Lord ALTIIORP said, that the object of the Noble
Lord, to make the House hear the debate, having been
gained, he hoped that the Noble Lord would then allow
the Speaker to leave the Chair.
A short conversation ensued. Colonel WOOD reminded

Lord Althorp that the Government had always, after such
a strugele, given way, and suggested the propriety of its
then giving way, though he declared that he would vote
with the Noble Lord, should he resist the motion for an
adiiurnment.

Mr. STANLEY recommended the minority to consi-
der whether they might not strain their opposition and
their, valuable privilege of moving the adjournment too
Th, only difference between them was as to a point
of form, and not to any su!istantial advantage on either
side. Ile thoutilt the minority of 63 should give way to
the majlrity of 235. Th. minority would lose nothing,
and the majority would grin nothing but the advantage of
not yielding. If the minority would consent to the House
going into a Committee, pro foram, the House would be
as ready to heir the opp .nints of the measure when it
came next before the House, as if they were n it to go into
a Committ"e at that time.
Sir C. WETHERELL said a few words in favour of
the adjmn mnent. He thought the motion might stand
adjourned till five o'clock. Such motions were frequently
m vie by the Ministers when they were in opposition.
Lord ALTHORP had never moved an adjournment
when in opposition, and had seldom supported such a
motion. Ile had seldom seen a case important enough to
wai rant a minority in insisting on an adjournment. He
could not, consistently with his duty to those gentlemen

echo supported him, give way.
Mr. S. PERCEVAL would support the Noble Lord
opposite (Lord Altliorp) with the understanding that the
Omeisition should have a right to address the House again
on the hill in Committee.
Mr. PR AED said a few wor Is against agreeing to the
motion of the Noble Lind. It appeared that at that
time they were only required to cousint to the moti in for
going into a Committee, to satisfy the dignity of the op-
po,ite p ,rty, which he, for one, could not agree to.
There were loud calls for Question ! before the Hon.
Wolter concluded, and on his sitting down strangers were
again ordered to withdraw.
On a division there apyeared—
For the adjournment.
Against it 2ll
Majority -174
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL expressed his hope
that his Noble Friend would persevere. The conduct of
the Opposition was a great abuse of the important privi-
lege of the minority ; and he trusted, therefore, that all
who were of his opinion would determine to keep their
se its to the last. For the consequence of yielding would
be, that the same course which the Opposition had now
t iken they would take on Wednesday, and on Thursday ;
that the same course which they had taken on the 12th
of July, they would take on the 12th of August, on the
12th of September, and so on, until by these repented de-
lays, on affect d pretexts, they would defeat the great and
important mea-ure which had been brought forward by his

1114j-...sty's Government.
11r. C. PELIIAM adverted to former occisions
which a minority had successfully persevered in a similar
course, and trusted they would do so in the present is-

stance.
Mr. CAMPBELL expressed his hope that the Noble
Chancellor of the Exchequer would not yield to this most
improper and unconstitutional attempt on the part of the
ooeonents of the Bill. Was their object the legitimate
one of the protecting the rights and privileges of the mi-
nority ? Far from it ; as a proof of which they were
&screed by their !eider, who had been in bed these five
hours.—(Hear, hear.) On the last division the minority
bed amounted only to fifty-four. He trusted that it would
decline still more, and !hat he should have the pleasure of
seeing the S,,eaker leave the 'Chair for the temporary
form ition of the Committee on the Bill.
A Minima whose none we could not learn, main-
tained that if those who were opposed to the Bill, and who
felt it to be their duty to advocate the rights of the per-
sons who sent them there, thought proper to take the
course which they had adopted, they had a perfect right
to do so.
Mr. SPRING RICE observed, that the adjournment
was proposed at the unusually early hour of twelve. He
denied that any interruption 11411 been given to the Hon.
Member for Dundalk, whose sentiments would have been
listened to with the utmost patience.
Lord ALTFIORP, in answer to those who contended
that to abandon the motions for adjournment would be to
admit one step of the Bill, and to allow that it was proper
that the Speaker should leave the chair, observed, that that
was not the case. That the Bill should go into Committee
was determined immediately after it had been read a second
time ; and the only question to decide therefore was, when
it should go into the Committee. If the House were now
to go into the Committee pro forma, any Hon. Member
might again address the House on the re-commitment of
t' e Bill to-morrow, or for whatever day that re-commit-
m,nt might he fixed ; and as that would he a new motion,
the opi.onents of the Bill would enjoy the advantage of
havin.2-, the opportunity of repeating on that new occa-
sion the speeches which they had made on the present.
Mr. KERRISON expressed his determination to perse-
vere in supporting the adjoin nment.
Mr. MABERLY sail it was clear that one side must
give way. Now, when it was known that an arrange-
ment led been made with the leader of the Hon. Gentle-
man opposite, that the Bill should go into Committee that
night, he thought that, out of deference to that Right
lion. Gentleman, his friends might concede the point; a
peoceeding which, in his opinion, would be highly honour-
able to them. If they oljected to do so, it would be in
effect to repudiate the Right Hon. Gentleman as their
leader.
Sir R. INGLIS—As the Noble Lord had said that he
should merely move that the Bill should go into the Com-
mittee pro forma, that put the rase on a different footing
ft mu that on which it fin merly stooel.
Mr. PRAED said, that whatever deference he might
be disposed to pay to the Right Hon. Baronet to whom
the Hon. Gentleman opposite had alluded, his conduct
could not be regulated by whatever might perhaps have
been the opinion of that Right Hon. Gentleman four
hours ago. He was justified in maintaining, that by con-
ceding the present point to them, Ministers would gain a
step in the 11,11—the step they were going on discussing.
If it were merely a matter of form, he would not at that
hour vote for the postponement of the question ; but
feeling that it was something more, he considered it to be
his duty to persevere.
Lord 13RUDENELL thought it very improbable that
his Right Hon. Friend should have given each a pledge as
that which had been adverted to. Were they to go at
four o'clock in the morning into a Committee on a Bill,
the discussions on which would last five weeks, mirrely
because his Majesty's Government thought it a point of
dignity to persevere ? He trusted they would be suc-
cessfully resisted.
Mr. MABERLY had not said that the Right Hon.
Baronet had male the pledge to which he had alluded to
him (Mr. Mabel-1y) personally. But the arrangement
had been made by a Noble Lord on the other side of the
House, to whom he would appeal in confirmation of bis
statement.
Loril AI,THORP (as we understood the Noble Lord)
confirmed the statement which bad just been made by his
Hon. Friend.
Sir C. WETHERELL said, that if his Right Hon.
Friend had acquiesced in allowing the Bill to go into a
Committee that night, he had merely expressed his own
individual opinion.
Mr. FYNES CLINTON said, that as it would be
competent to any Hon. Member to express his sentiments
on the motion for the Speaker leaving the Chair to-mor-
row, and as the Noble Lord had pledged himself that no
attempt should be made to interrupt any Hon. Member in
so delivering his sentiments, he did not see any advantage
which would be derived from a further perseverance in
opposing the Noble Lord's proposition. At the same
time he thought that Ministers would have acted more
gracefully if they had conceded the point, and had not
shown so much pertinacity upon it.—(A laugh.) They
were so elated, however, by their majorities, that it Was
not surprising their conduct had not been so judicious as it
might have been.
Lord STORMONT was sorry that he must differ frem
his Hon. Friend who had just spoken, in thinking that the
opposition to the course soling: had been so perseveringly
pressed by his Majesty's Ministers might now cease; in
proof of ;vhich he would move that the debate be adjourned
until Thursday, at five o'clock.
An OPPOSITION Mosses said, that though Sir R.
Peel had been nosy in bed five hours, he was quite sure
that the Right Hon, Baronet did not intend to desert his
present party.—(Cries of " Oh.") He should support
the adjournment, because a question which must be dir.
cussed in that House nightly for five weeks to come, ought
not to be discussed at all after twelve o'clock at night.
A division immediately took place :
For the adjournment 37
it 203
t returnl
Thursday,to the gallery we found
Majority ..—.... 166
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Mr, PRAED moving that the debate should be
It being represented to the Hon. Member that he could
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