The Sun.
London, England, 1813-01-23 00:00:00

NAVAL NEWS.

PLYMOUTH, JAR, .—Pnt in here to join con-
voy the brig Vino, 111w4T(inMEIty, master, from
Belfast, With a cargo of provisions, hound to Lou-
don.

Arrived the, Orient, DAvinsom, from Sunder-
land ; Unity, TAYLoa, from Lone ; Sathuel and
John, 'MonVont), from Lyine; George and Henry,
drno, TAYLOR ; and the Two Brothers,
WILLIAMS, from Exeter; the Dove, COLLINGS ;
and Kingsbridge, PEPPERALL, from Dartmouth ;
Speculation, .PHILLIes, front Cardiff; Endeavour,
Rictus, from Ipswich ; James and Jane, Eciwr-
TyNDoN, from Portsmouth ; Lord Hawkesbury,
STIIRIGNI33.I., from Southampton ; the London,
Wittow6oN ; and Unanimity, KEMP, from Lon-
don. .

Also arrived Me Abercrombie man of war, and
AIWA frigate. front the Channel fleet.

Put hack by contrary winds the Spy store-ship
and the Rolla brig of war, bound to Portsmouth.
Arrived the PeLica,: brig of w'ar from a eruize
in the Channel.

Sailed the Stork sloop of war with a small con-
voy for Ireland, consisting of the following, viz.:
Prince of Wales, CooTER ; and Good Intent,
13AKEn, for Waterford ; and a few others, names
unknown.

Also sailed the schooner Mary Ann, (late the
American vessel Connecticut), DUNSTONU, mas-
ter, for Liverpool.

DEAL, JAN. 22.--Sailed his Majesty's cutter
Resolution for off the Scheldt.
Arrived the Tickler from a cruize off the Texel.
Sailed the Piper cutter, with the convoy, ,for
Portsmouth.

PORTSMOUTH, JAN. 22.—Arrived his lkfajesty's
ship Jason from the Downs.
Sailed the l'engeurovith the West India convoy,
accompanied by his Majesty's ships A►go, Fautour,
and Espeigk.
Sailed the Pigmy cutter on a crnize.

FALMOI:ITH, JAN. 20.—Arrived the brig Bro.
titers, BARRINGHAN, from Gibraltar in sixteen
clap. A frigate is now off this port, to give in•
structions to the ships bound to the Mediter-
ranean, &c. &e.

N. B. The ship of war above alluded to is the
Partridge, the convoy got under weigh, but night
coining on they brought up again, but will in all
probability sail in the morning.
Arrived, his. Maje4ty's ship Bloodhound with a
convoy from Witlei.

YARMOUTH, JAN. 22.--Arrived the:Mazer from
Heligoland.
Sailed the King George hired cutter, to join the
squadron olfthe Texel.

The widow Of CliEltltY, the actor, who has been
left by the death of her husband in great distress,
with a family, lately applied to Mrs. Sin noNs," re-
questing her to play'for her benefit. As the, great
Actress, however, had taken her final leave of the
stage, she thought a compliance with the: request
might be deemed ddi3respectfra to the public, be-
sides opening a door to numberless applications
of a similar nature, hut,' with feelings which do
her honour, she readily agreed to read before a
certain number of subscribers, for the benefit of
the widow and her family,
Horrid Mardo.. rape and murder was
committed on the body of a 'young woman named
Hannah Leathern, in the service of Mr. Jackson,
.of Greta Bridge, on New Year's
Day. She had been sent on an errand to Barnard-
castle, which place she left about five o'clock in
the evening, on her way, home. 'Her body was
folind next morning about' two miles from that
town, on the road to the High-street, (a road
munch frequented) with her head nearly, severed
from her body. A Coroner's Inquest returned a
verdict of rape and murder against some person or
pervons unknown'. Several men haVe been taken
up on inspicion, but nothing satisfaitoi y has been
proved.
A lire broke out at a small house occupied by Mrs.
Moulder, a laundress, in Bennet's-rents, New-
ington-road, on Monday night, occasioned by
some linen taking fire. A. girl, 13 years alit,. was
so iiiuch burnt in making her eseape that she died
the next day, having suffered the most excruciat-
ing agony. .

MANsi •Ilousr..--Yesterday a young woman
writs charged before the Lord Mayor, with having
di fronded a number of banking-honses, by means
of a forged letter of recommendation for charity,
purporting to be signed by the c'horchwardens of
a certain parish, and many respectable Bankers,
all of which proved to be forgeries, some of whom
some of whom attended with their solicitors. This
letter; which was produced, had the signature of
twenty Bankers, so artfully forged, that some of
them could scarcely know the ditference, and
thought there must he some accomplice concerned
in the fraud. John Brown, who bad the prisoner
in custody, told his Lordship lie had been in search
of the supposed Churchwardens,-'but iotthl find no
such persons, and the name and place given by
the prisoner as her residence, were also false.—
The prisoner continued silent to questions put to
her by the Lord Mayor, who, In consequence,
told her he was • determined to find out the Re.;
complices in this fraud and forgery, and would re-
commit her ceery clay for a mouth, till be obtained
the necessary information.—A I:rfetinl.thdreersseedxa:
was charged with having in his pos.sessiou twen.
ty-two pounds of counterfeit shillings, all of one
make. He was remanded for
uatiou.

GOTTENBURGII MAIL.

. .
FROM THE ST. PETERS/511E0g till
GAZETTE) --
(N. s.) fate of
WttAsta., Dec. 17.--At length the
of
4'
city is happily decided. In the course ta 'ep
half a year has this second change tAen
,if
our situation, and we now see the essearti
ferenea between the two Governmentrt .
the benevolent Russians, and that (AO;
and oppressive French. But what is ne'vit,
mud condition of the latter ? With an 3::
and arrogance did they arriVe here ! le'"'',
changed into pale aria trembling s! is
fli,, in fearful despair, thi owing an:IY. tlici,';!
and all the treasures they had collecte„,:it
Plundering. By their hasty flight our e'.:.s
caged the lamentable fate which Bits h'!'.;:
many others. Thanks to the All-aiercd,
praise to the brave Russian army. acs'
To-clay, aMO in the afternoon, ' id.
entered, under the command of bi,.:'
Highness the Czarewitch and Grand Da",,lort
detiLed, with music playing, before the ',lii;'
der in Chief of the armies, General l';
shill Prince Golenistschew Kutosoff;
lenak : joyful hurrahs resounded na f: oi
the concourse of people was extranwnifi
the countenances of all were expresSivet:v
cerest pleasure and satistactiOn. Sums :b
of prisoners were brought In, on this necl'p
the evening, the opera Doberi Pan (0, f
lent Lord) was performed at the Tl'''''/I:
conclusion of the piece,' which the C"':ti
Chief honoured, with his presence, was (ili ta'
ed by an expression of the gratitude m.,,u;'
bitants of this city towards the 'OW' a
who had delivered them from the eaetio
stage was displayed a transparent not,
the portrait of the victorious Field V''''cy
the inscription, " To the Delivererof hil di
above was an eagle holding a seful!ilit,
mime of the Emperor Alexander.
which were snug on this occasion, here
with the loudest applause. 111?'
%VILNA, DEc. 24.—His Imperi:d :', 4
his arrival in this city, has been iiWe'l6,-,°•v:
General Field-Marshal Prince Gl'le.h.jo'', •
Kutusoff of Smolensk, a Knight or the Pl.r'
' and Grand Cross of the Military
iii!rt`orlvs'''i,
George the Martyr, and Bringer 01. vic'ot f,
His Majesty the Emperor was met sell
from this city, at the village of Alictili'li,
the Field Inspector, Doliwa •`thi,..:,
and at the last,station from hence, l't.iiiii
Jaswa, by Colonel Tschernosnhows ";/611
a great concoarse of people, '''' i'f(:):
tr7roentnt oP ..
this city. At the same station, tlit, '''`.Toll''
gatiOn of \Vilna had the happiaess '''lttf
his Majesty, with bread and salt, 101 l Ai,,
of " Long live the great gonarch,d,
eo
vf
eiela:lsonacrkt:amid the joyfolLacel3,l,
the First.'' On entering the 1 Stii
' jesty was received by Major-OW° j iit
and Lieutenant-General Oertel ; 11% thiu.
lace of the General Fidd-Marslol'
~'„;joiv
of the General Officers In the cv—• r
Was illuminated. , , his
birth-slay, 1
-'e was pleased to 'ltic, to theiv
EulY this morning, as bell'l",iii (14 '
of the Gnar4. Knd alter Itt:",°:"6( tN:rek
he received the cong,i, wo--5 N(.1) i,-,/,
t5O
ctuliollilee:ipei:Cialoilii(ite.litOiitnillos cnictle(ylier,s':v.‘rlli'-ettNlnil:elttit::le::rerl4lY;osl4.titt:
lid hurrah ensued. The diatierttil3at the'
the
was on this sole aii dal ;',,li; wilco i
the Field-Marshal General, w" ;tie, 1/,,
his Majesty to spend the evell- .I.le, r
i nw4ll° a eceitriyaqii
risilt. i‘tt,
cannon were firing Attiring dinner bate,
elainations and hurrahs intera!ing'il-ti
thunder of the artillery throughout as jot
inhabitants embraced each otheetiassiair
Eiister Feast, and loudly expresseu '

1#~;

joy.
It:rileallillidlivllise,i(t:lllbtit'‘eetee.fi'oenit:lrtie:l3l::silitcv.iriltelegtiric,a'rieblti 1:Ii-cl:tillit):gerli:eciiisin:1;itehl‘air)lipiaely°1184e(::;sit'ee;:',f 1,',.:,'
team songs with great feeling' .11:51i'::li
grateful thanks ,for the delivery of titi'
country. tic I'll;
Anti, DEC. 1i , (23.)—By atithent
~,,,
telligence from Sweden, we are int.`,llo
thorough breach has taken place 1,),,e1
country and France, and that in c°.',ift4,
French. Anibassadnr Cadre, bad re'''
.!
to quit
itB"Sic Sired n.
10 (22.) —Ay "PO ct.e , il'''
ceived here, we are ivforineti, tits( t'‘o4,i,
of Napoleon's abandoning' the citY 'id
of his hasty flight train Itiis.iii,h‘‘.,lotl..;
itself through all Germany, and 611'414
wit ii the pleasing hope of soon scel%.ei,t:
entiii:esrtizroaft tiiiiiirionibl.tai.lll,t ts N1)7114(.1178, 35 !..0;
of the'; 04
illimiimited their honses, and celei)
«I
the success of the Russians.
been 0
All the French papers have t fi.C‘
tended ttescriptions of the- gee'l,i4o}l4
every where making, Once thel,role'
ventber, for the celebration of I. '1(04 ..
nation. But he himself celchrateddi
2d December, New Style,) in la ;ocIP -
'
manner to his usual Custom ; 'Tog.
~
tear, (`..spair, and' disquietude I, ~,
placeto smother, in various,.o tV;
If fon. '
habiliments, to disguise bintsc ~
At
...,-- ,
enemy. . ngc. etr - .
MINSK, TUE 21:i (147.1 t) ..- , oi
about here is now entirely clearreetai, e 041,,,,
()ar city has remained inulannq,(l, 0100.
churches, which were plandcreemy. tit
magazines by the outrageous en cocriol
be silerA on the misdeeds of the >,,,1 ill `.li,t
Clod be thanked, we have est:sP' rote'll,
i g P et"
001
'cry; and with the return-nio'ters ti(
good Government, we hgii,coe !„5
ins we have undergone. . tbe 0,- ei
already settled themselves If, c000,,i,
families, and with them all t.autheo V
Ttil and social 'life. Witl"? sverelld
have had two ltidottes, whi", .041'4
. es .. „so;
captivating by the preSeti‘7,. of 11111"40
high rank. A general spill' „ 11' '4,
dent.,
etl iii glace of that desPon

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rhibAy, 3.Ax. 22, 1813.

COMPANY'S, CHARTER.
The Chairman, Sir HUGH INGLIS, addressed
the Meeting, which was very numerous, inform
ing them that this wits tan adjyurned Meeting,
,for
the purpose of taking into consideration the fur-
therpapers which had been laid before them, on
the subject of, the Renewal of the Company's
Charter.• ft was most desirable, that their Court
of Directors should he furnished with the result
of their deliberations as speedily as possible, and
therefore he was anxious that the debate should
be finished this day. Since they met last, he had
received-a letter from the Earl of Buckingham-
shire, in consequence of an observation which
had been made at the last Meeting, and which he
should now read as a part of his speech. The
letterjefeiTed to an ohservation made by Mr. Da-
vis, as to his belief, that, on an occasion, while
Lord Hobart was Governor of Madras, the Cap-
tain of the Rodney being unable to find a market
for the whole of his investment, 8000/. of
.which
Was intended for Bengal, but which it'became ne-
cessary for him to dispose of altogether at Madras,
the 'ship being ordered back to England, a Lot-
tery was thought of as the only means of dispos-
ing of the 'gooils, and that 'Lord ,Hobares name
appeared at the top_ of the list. • 'Of this circum-
cumstatice the -.Earl of Buckinghamshire, in his
letter, declares helms no recollection ; but men-
tions a case, of another Captain, as he conceives,
of 4 very different nature, where the ship (the
Tilbury, Indiaman,) being ordered away sospeedi-
ly, that the Captain had not time to dispose of his
investment, his Lordship scut for him., and, on
being informed vallie he put .upon' it, or-
dered the amount to he paid him by ,a person on
the spot, I,\, :vhom th::, -goods .'ere to he disposed
becoraing persOnally, responsible
for ic.s; might arise. If any profit had
been made: on the transaction, 'he could not Say ;
but that there was no loss he was satisfied,
no
application having ever been male to hint on the
subject. HaVing read the letter, the Chairman
said he should apprehend this .subject could not
interfere with the main debate. •The question now
for their consideration was on the original motion
and the amendment. What had been stated by
the Honourable Proprietor had now been .replied
to in a .satisfaCtory manner.
Mr; RANDAL Iscx.soN said, he thought the Ho-
nourable Proprietor 'Lind been misunderstood.—
The circumstance alluded to by hint he had stated
as a transaction highly honourable to Lord Buck-
inghamshire.
Mr. DAVIS explained, that he had believed, and
Captain Carruthers himself wile impressed with, a
similar belief, that the name of Lord But:hinge
hanishire stood at the top of the list to which he
had Alluded. The letter of the noble Earl, how-
ever, "only strengthened his assertion, by furnish-
ing another instance where a Captain weld not
find a market for his investment, and proved that
they were all distressed how to dispose of the ton-
nage, alloWed theta. He had contended, and he
again repeated, that the trade was as open as it
would be good for the manufactures, or service-.
able to the State, that it ought to be. He knew''
that there was not a single year in which he'
might not have shipped 500,000 tons more than
he had done. He did not knOw that he himself
might not be benefited by having the trade thrown
open ; but his wish was, that our inantifacturerif
should not be misled.
A Proprietor, whose name we could not learn,
denied that the quotation read by an Honourable
Gentleman (Mr.llume) as conveying the opinion
of Mr. Colebrooke, was any proof whatever of his
opinion on the subject of an open trade. It was
read from a -joint production of that Gentleman
and Me. 'Lambert, who Was greatly interested
in the 'private trade. He asserted, that the
exports. could . not be increased.: it was the
grossest delusion to say that they could. The
vital interests of the country were concerned
in the present questiou. We were told, that by
the system hitherto purstied, we were now in pus-
sessiomet India without having a single foe there.
and was this a moment to venture on such a plait
as' might endanger. India and. the country ? Juse
tics and policy were with the Company, and if
the present system:were touched with an unskil-
ful hand, that fabric Which had been so proudly
raised to its present emitiettee, would, in all pro-
bability, fall to ruin.
Mr. RonEwr GRANT expressed the gratification
be felt in having•givenplace to the two Honour-
able Gentlemen who had,already spoken,. and front
whom the Court had received much information
He now rose for the purpose of making a-few res.
marks on the only speech which they had heard,
at their last, meeting, and, he trusted, he should
make them in such a manner as not to give offence
to the Ilonourahle Gentleman by whom the
speech hati been made. That Honourable Gene
tlenem had been pleased, on a former day, to pay
seine compliinents to hint (Mr., Grant), but he
should prove himself unworthy of those compli-
ments and praises, were he, for the sake of them,
to sacrifice his private opinion. It was with the
most cordial satisfaction that he had listened to
the -speeele'of the I I ()limitable Gentleman. Even
the prolixity of it (if he might use the expression
without offence) pleased hint. It had been thought
out of doors that the 'Court desired to stifle dis.-
eussion ; and that they trusted more to their wills
than to their argutnent. He (Intuited the Honour-
ableGentlem:nt, therefore, in the name, of the
Court, for trying their patience, :and for seeing
how ranch they were willing to take both in Tian-
tity and quality, of statements against themselves.
He gave the , Honourable Gerais:num credit for
his professions of fairness and contour, though he
could not but feel that .when the mind was fully
imbued on a subject, it was hardly possible to
' view with that candour which one would wish.---
The llouourable Gentleman objected to the term
domineering language,- as 'applied to the Letter of
Lord Beckingliamshire, thought be did not see any
intpropriety'
,its charging ihe C.:nurt of Directors'
with being actuated by the hese and ignoble pas-
Sion of securing; to themselv=es' the patronage of,
the East. It Was not his intention to follow the:
Honourable Gentletnao through .the commercial
details into which he had entered, being aware that
there were many gentlemen present much better
qualified for thetesk tben he could pretcni to be.

lie lioped to be albs, In a few sentences, to
sliew that far the greater partrof them, wag either
totally irrelevant, or inconclusive. The Him.
Gentlemen talked of the advantages derived to the
Americans from the Indian trade : he did not say
one words however, -as to the cause of those ad-
vantages, or whether they were owing to her mers
cent i!e energies, or to her neutral immonity. The
Honourable Gentleman also entered into a his-
tory of the indigo trade, the great increase of it
by private individuals, and that it could never.
haVe been brought to that state by the Company,
while, at the same time, his own statement proved
that the indigo could never have been brought to
that state without, the Company. The Honour-
able Gentleman, along with many- average state-
'silents, gave the Court a few insulated facts as to
private trade, but he had not told them bow that
trade had succeeded, whereas their Chairman
told theni that she imaorts, for the last three
years were lying wasting on their bands.s----
The Honourable Gentleman had also told them
that the opinion- of Mr. Colebrooke was in favour
of an open trade:---whereas another Hon. Gentles
man gave,them to understand that this was not
the opinion of Mr. Colebrooke, hut of another,
person deeply interested- in the private trade.—
The [lmmovable Gentleman had also fa%onred
them with the opinion privately communicated to
himself, of an unnamed Commissioner, on the sub-
ject s Of smuggling. Leaving all these points,
however; out of consideration, the main question
remained in untouched integrity, and it became
the.ditty of the Court to consider whether they
were not 'to endeavour to guard against those
political evils which threatened to overturn them.
Had he (Mr. R.,Grant) left the room at the mo-
ment the Honourable Gentleman was concluding
that panegyric on the Indian Government, which
he gave in such glowing colours, he must have be-
lieved that lie was warmly with the Directors.—
He should have imagined, that if there had ever
been the most distant fear of danger to that
perfect system which he bad described, the
Honourable Gentleman would have wished to see
every arm raised up in its defence. That he would
have agreed with him in thinking that a system,
of that nature should never be :icrificed, even
in the must distant degree, to any commercial
advantages whatever, The Honourable Gentle-
man proceeded to yindicste the conduct of the
Directors in their management of the Correspond-
ence, while th'e Mioisters, iii reply to their appli-
cations rfluesting to be put is possession of the
reasoss for opening the trade, tell them that they
ars st liberty to hunt through -the Petitions
,pre-
sented to Parliament for the arguments by which
Ministers have been induced to alter their opinion.
,The great reason against the opening of the trade,
relied on by the Directors, was, that the mono-
poly to China would he shaken from its founda-.
tion.' Even Dr. Adam Smith, who was an arguer
fora free trade, agreed in the difficulty of cliceLing
an iliicit trade : and the experience of late years
goad slieWn thst even burning airl death are . not
sufficient to deter from the practice of it. Minis
sterS Were called on to give same express regithis
Lions on the subjfct, and to describe how they pro-
posed to checit the shipping in the seas of the
East, but they hail given only some embryo mei-
sores, for the better prevention of smuggling af-
ter the vessels come into port, or to prevent them
from running along the coasts of Scotland or Ire.
land. Thaw had not said is single word as to the
shipping of the article in the East, unless in v. hat
they stated as to, the extension of the Manifest
Act. The East, it was to be observed, contained
an'almost countless timber of islands, sonic of
them as large almost -Britain Must
custom-house officers, he ;would ask, bad Go-
vernment in those seas to put ,in force the Mimi-
fest Act.? If he were to ask them, did they intend
sending revenue officers thither, lie dared to any
• they would smile at his folly,; though, he con-
.tended, that such a question Would not be more
ridiculous than the idea of opening the. trade,
without any security or regulation having been
thought Of, but trusting that sonic lucky thought
would drop from the clouds upon them, to. enable
them to guard against the effects of strong tempta,
tion and lavish opportunity. He did not doubt
that Mihisters would be willing to assist them in
their dilapidated affairs : that they, would be anxious
tisservesthemrafter the evil had taken place. 4,ut,
it was noteitouglsio such circumstances to have the
will, if they bad not the power also. They gave
them the evils in the gross, the good in detail. All
that %yes' bad was certain and immediate; what was
good contingent and remote. The opening of the
trade would be the commencement ot an intercourse
extremely ruinous to both 'countries, both to the
natives of Hindostan and to this country. • For
half a century it had beep the business to endea-
vour to settle the intercourse with the natives of
India, in such a manner as to he mutually. advan-
tngeous. After so great a loss of time, they had
at length succeeded. in bringing about a perfectly
pacific intercourse between two countries, the no—
fives of the one, probably, the most enterprising,
those of the other, probably, the most pusillani-
mous in the world—between'prestiming strength
oo the one hand, and unresisting weakness am the
other.ls—And, now, were all their efforts .to be,
rendered uselesss, :and an intercourse, without
any restraint or restriction, was at'once to be als
lowed. But it was Said, in anticipating evils
tta the natives this free in-
tercourse, haend ndeottiourcet
ti:sli private lmerchantiobeitled.; India
h."
andt•ro tna, civility,pr(valt was
teleg merchanteti, wastitan t()le ex
front) atili'Lctited
is
limit Company. A work, well known .for
its ability and its abuSiveness, the "
burgh Review," had, in their last Number,
published an article- against .the Company for
the purpose, it seems, of insinuating that .cruel-
ties were exercised, by the Company towards the
natives. This was a proclamation issued by Mr.
Franci4s so fir 'back as the year 1780 ; nod to
hold that this was proof of the existence of any
thing of the-saute kind in the year 1813, seemed
rather absurd. As well might it he said, that
'London was at this moment in a state of de-
stroctiou, Odin flames, and iii proof that it es ,is
so, refer back to that same yen., 1780. What
had bean. said of Tyre of old, " that her icier-Omits Were Princes, and her Traffickers the Ilo-
' pourable of the Earth " -• 1
, :agreed might, with
equal justice,: be said of the nierchente Of Great

13ritain, equally distinguiehed for their wca
for their princely liberality ! But, were t!ivv the
persons who would go as speculators to India ?
It was true, that no more honourable men co}lid

fi il:!

be found than the private merchants rc,ident in
India, and yet it was a fact well known, tiu
the time of Lord Clive they were of a very dif-
ferent description. The higher elasq of Merchants
engaged in the Slave Trade Were stated to he men
of the remelt humanity ; but, was it,not known
that the lower class of porsons engaged in that
. .

traffic were guilty of praetices Ottna-
ture shuddered. lie tild not prete:ld to understand
that trade so well as their friends connected with
the .oat-poets did,- but that-trade its an
example that were, not to eortip!iinent away
the rights, privileges, and happiness ()four fellow
men. This subject had been touched on, and Init
lightly touched on by Ministers. But the Cann
puny were told they were too late, and that us
persons would go out to India in comequence
the Export Trade being opened, it was too much
.to make the intercourse with India an objection
against extending the import From India to the out-
ports. lie (fir..ll,,Airat,t) did not agree that the
Company had coneedeil the export trade ; they had
only said upan the subject of it, heettusethey con-

sidered it as, comparatively speaking, of little ira.
portance. What, however, :did the lion, (rout.
and others who, with him were for opening the
export trade to India, say on the, subject ? Why,
not a ship, and nut 1 man would, :n come-
quence.of the opening of the export trade, rein in
in India. Thus did they, on. the one hand, tell
the Company, that in conceding the Export Trade
they gave up all ; and, on the Other band, that la

doiiiiso they 'gave up nothing. The Hon
Hume) . Pro-
prietor (Mr. ue) was ofoi in'on, that the
number of persoiis who, in consequence of the
opening of the Trade, would go out to "India,
would be limited, because no Mall need go ant
-but train the hope,ot gain. In nine or ten points
of the Honourable Gentleman's speech, however,
he held out the prospect of gain to those going
out, as being without bounds or stop,; and if so,
if the hope at gain was unbounded, and the

numbers who went out would be regulated by the
hope of gain, he had the authority of the Hon.
etentleman.him,elf for saying, that the numbers

who' went out would lie-unimuuded.

The lion.

Gentleman went on to deprecate what must pro-
duce a complete change of system,where the present
system ,was admitted to be so excellent. The rule
was always to spare that 'whiCh is good. Stip-
posing (which there was every ' reason to do)
that the expectations of those who embarked in
the trade, under tire: regulations now proposed,
should be disappointed, might we. not
,expect to
see them' return,' again and again, and oak to have
this and the other additional relaxation ? And'
might not the company be again invited
.to con-
ferences with the ,liinisters, till they were, again
out-argued, and called On the Company, siithout‘
assigning any 'reason, to give Op all, because they
had, already given op so much ? He (Mr. Robert
Grant) should-have thought the last. tWeaty years
'would have taught them the danger of trying ex-
periments. When revolutionary Francs told this
country that she could furnish us with a better Con-
atitution than that under which we lived, why did
we not allow her to try her hand ? 'Why did we not
trust to her assurances that she would not devour
us too fast ? There was one on the opposite shore
win) was still ready to assure its that he could
give us an infintely better Constitution than we
now possessed. Why did we not let him try his
hand ? We might be assured he would be ready
to try it, were we inclined. Try it, he (Mr.
Omit) begged, on England rather than on India.
Do' not ask the inhabitants of HOrlostan to be-
come parties to the experiment. The Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. Hume) had told the Court that,
in his opinion, those who suffered by the'opening
of the trade should be indemnified. Though the ,
Hon. thmtletrom might he disposed to give to Mi-
nisters such advice, trey had not (Inv even a
hint tharthey would be willing to take It; and he
would advise those %vim would he snllerers by the
measure, to look for some better security for in-
demnitythan the good wishes of the Hon. Gentle-
man. Supposing, .however, that those persons
could he'indemnified ; if the alteration of the sys.
'tent were to be attended with ruin to India, how
was. that to be repaired ? What Pension List
could indemnify her ? Where is the Exchequer
which could compensate the injuries of sixty mil-
lions of people ? Whence could they find a re-
medy for the broken heart of an Empire ? If once
the people of India were.sacrificed to this experi-
ment,, it would be easier for them to cover the
whole Empire with statutes of indemnity and par-
don, than to replant the seeds of social order •and
comfort which had thus been destroyed
Hon. Gentleman concluded .a most brilliant
speech, of which we have been enabled to give
but a feeble outline, amidst repeated shouts of ap-
' plause, which laSted for several miuotes.
A Gentleman, whose name we could not learn.
apologised to time Court for a N nger, like him.
self, presuming to address after the able
speech of the Honourable Proprietnr who pre-.
ceded' him, The calculations of the Honourable
Proprietor (Mr: Hume) however ingenious, were'
altogether irrelevant to the question ; and his
whole arguments ought rather to have 'been de-
livered to a meeting of the merchants of Liver-
pool.and Birmingham,'than to a 'meeting of the.
Proprietors of East Intlia Soak. He was struck
with the wisdom 'which the Court of Directors,
had displayed in the'. course of their correspond-
. ence with his Majesty's Ministers, and he hoped
the Court of Proprietors would ream mead a con-
tinuance of the same system of wisdom which was
so manifest in that correspondence.
Mr, Isn'a was glad that the argumeots of the
Hooonrable Proprietor who moved the amend-
anent (Mr. Home), notwithstanding their prolix i-
ty, had been heard, with patience. ITe did not .
.knoW any 0, y of the connections of that Gentle'
man ; butt he thought that he could not be very
far wrong, when he consiclered the.Speeeh of the
Honourable Proprietor as the speech of my Lord
Buckinghamshire.
Mr. I.l6tit rose to order. He had never seen
Lord Blickinghtonshire in his life, and never bad
the smallest communication with bim.
Mr.-Isares• observed, that the Honourable Pro-
prietor had stood up in that Court as the advo-
cate-Ot Lord Buckinghamshire; and his speech

was of such a stamp as to ibenr most evidently his
image and siiperscription. But lie meant by this
to throw out no imputation, against the Honour-
able Gentleman for that speech. Lord -Buckin7-
banishire and the East India Company-were Ire-
fore the bar of the public—that bar was at pre-
sent the Court of Propric;ol-, of East India Stork;
and the ai.gument, of both the East India Gila-

patty, and, the Ministers ought to be patiently
• heard, He hoped that the speech‘of the Ilonour7
able Proprietor would be published and distributed
among• orparfies in the country'; for he 'vas
convinced that that speech ,would be of more be-
nefit to the ' East India Company, than any
thiag which could be said by their warmest
advocates. -If no better arguments could be
urged in favour of the extension of the export and
import trade to the oat-ports, to which exten-
sion, if the East India Company would nut con-
sent, they had been threatened by Government
with an application by them to the Legislature,
to deprive the Company of the management of
India, the grounds of the Ministry were weak, in-
deed; and the Company had,yery little to tear in
going before the Legislature. Of the speech,
which lasted considerably above three hours., not
one-thirtieth part applied to the question before
the Court. The question was not whether the
trade' to -India ought tO be laid open to private
traders, to which all his arguments epplital ; fur
that sva-: given op is the course of litat year to the
Government=it was not whether the manufac.
tnrers 'and merchants of the sonntry ought to he
alloived to carry their manufactures from the out-
ports to India; for that also had been arranged—
, but whether the whole imports from India
to this country,' which hail for so louts a time
been enjoyed by the city, of Londoo, should
be participated in by the out-ports ? and whe-
ther, which was .the most important point, if
the Directots refused to Acquiesce in this, the
government pt' India should be taken out of their
bands ? Such was the threat held out by Lord
Buckinghamshire'. The Than. Proprietor had col-
leeted an immense body of facts, to which he bad
but one objection, that they were not relevant to
the question. Toe diticrences with his Majesty's
Ministers were not about facts, but alum tondos
mental principles : and .if all the facts from •the
beginning of the world to the preseat tiny, were
brought together, they could not apply to the .
question between the Alinistry and the East India
Company. From the papers before thee) it ap-
reared, :hat their very existence was at stake—
the city ivas besieged, and the garrison were sum-
mooed to surrender at discretion. The ques-
t 'lion before the Proprietors was, whether
they would desert the Directors when engaged
in a contest with Government ? and whether they
would 'tamely surrender all that was dear to
them, or whether they were prepared to make
exertions proportionate to th,e,greatoess of tire in-
terest which they had at stake ? After hearing the
panegyric pronounced by the Honourable Proprie-
tor on the government' of the East India Com-
ply, it w'm impossible not to be struck with the
weakness and wickedness of any Ministry win')
should wish to' overturn: hutch a government for
mere speculative .cominercial advantages. The
question before the Court was two-fold, namely,
commercial and political. The corn:ln:roe of the
Fii t India Company Was of immense advantage
to. the country ; for they paid between four and
five millions annually' to the Exchequer; but the
commercial, compared with the political question,
wait u mere trifle. ltinvolved not only the stability
of the Indian Empire, but the stability of the Con-
stitution of this centnt.q. The first proposition
which he Should lay down was considered as as iii
eontroVertible axioni by the greatest politicians of
this country, that it was impossible to transfer the
governMent of India from the East India Com-
, patty to the English Ministry, without endanger-
ing the balance Of our Constitutions This doe-
'trine was laid down in 1784 by Mr. Vitt, and had
been since acted on With the greatest beuelit.
After an experiment of. nine yearS, Mr. Pitt re-
newed the Charter in 1793 for twenty years, on
the same foundation. From this principle he had
.never swerved ; and so late as 'lBO2, Lord
Melville had thought proper to record
on the subject. The fonndation 'of the do
minion of the East India Company was a grant
from the Mogul ; and though the ,Mogul was now
no more, the natives of India still continued to
look up to him with reverence. Oa that ground
the Eastindia Company bad hitherto Acted as'
Sovereigns, awl made peace and war. But if.
the Compauy were no longer_ to' remain in pos-
session of the Government, who could possibly
predict the effects which the ebange might pro-••
chtec uta 04: natives of Hindostan
could not comprehend the complicated
nature of the Government, and their elle-
gianee might. be shaken by , the alteration.—
To the Company they were very natnrally attached
--a long series of benefits could not possibly take
.• . -
place, without making an impression on the
hisman heart,. These of themselves were strong
grounds for continuing. the Government of India
in ,the hands of the ,East India Conipany. But
aupposing this, Company not td have a strong le.
gal right to the Govertiment Of ludia, they had
certainly the very strongest moral and equitable
right. They had gained and conquered their do •
ininioas in India, with the sanction of the autho-
rities at home, • at their own expense-; and they
bad go veined their dominions in the way mast con-
ducive to their security, and the happiness of-their
subjects. Theyhad expelled from India their forini.'
curopc,,,, ,the French and t heDutch,and
they had subdued theiruo less formidable rivals the
Mahoinedan and Indian Princes They had added
numerous settlements in'the Continent, and•ialands
of Asia, to the State, and all at. timely own risk
and esrose. That their government was 'good
stud wise was now no longer
,denied. The very
worst. eitemics of the Cowper)), had longceastal to
inveigh against theni as the s: _;less and_ oppres.
sons of India. It had been loog, ttgir asset tett by
Lord Melville, and never denied, that the-nos-
sessionfof the Etibt Italia 0)111pfttly had isttamea
a prosperity which il,";13 ItC%"er known wider the
GOVertIITICIttS, and t1L,.1 if cOlUpOred with
the neiOnitiring provitsee3, their ettitiViltiOrt MIS
like. thu•,. of the I careful cultivator, Coutrasted

with the slogg.itra's gar le.u. 111-1 ria, and
the Ministry who acted along with bitn, were
great ineti, and their opinions, had great weight
with the conntry‘ To Compare them with their
present puny successors would be to compare
the greatest things with the smallest.' • G4pplau. to
sej
The Honourable Proprietor .then proceedeu
examine the following of Lord Bucking-
hanishire':i letter of the 2.lth December last :
" 'flue expediency of adhering to that fy-ftlig by
which the Goverpment of India has. heel) ad In ni•is-
tcred through the Intervention of the'Comililly, , is
strongly felt by his Altijel.ity's Government ; hat
it Inuit not be supposed that there are no limits
to that expediencys or that there are- no
tages which might reFilt• from ar dilictvot
course." This was totally unintelligible ; for if
it was expedient• to• adhere to the system, then
the result was in favour .of the East India Com-
pany. What did he mean by limits to that expe-
diency? If it Was ex pedktit to continue the govern-
ment of the. East India„Couipany, then the advan-
tages of any other system must be a atinus quan-
tity. (:Ippbuese).—li Ministry bad a new plan for
India, capable of bestowing more happiness on the
natives Of that country, let them pc,,duce it. Al-
though they were Proprietors of East I ildia Stock,
they were Mao Englishmen ;,and they wooid never
surely be disposed to sacrifice, for the • sake of a
paltry interest, the happiness of their country, and
the happinesS of Millions in India. (..ipphtseS), 13ot
if no better system of government could be deviSed
for securing the happiness of the I ves of Ilindos-
tan and the prosperity .Of out own country, they
would not, Ate hoped !•,.listen to the elanionrs
of the people of Glasgow, Liverpool', and the other
Out-ports. Let: not the limbs of the East India
Company, be torn from theta 'and distributed
among the out-ports, as .a bonus for the loss upon
the slave trade or any -other trade, What facts
had been adduced by the provincial merchants in
support' of their claims ) Had they stated that
the amount of imports would be greater ? On
that subject the Court were in total' ignorance,
When the Alinistry were asked, they told the
Company they were not bound to give any •an-
wet.; and that the Company ought to rest sulk—
lied with their decision. .Did the !lon. Proprietor
(Mr. flume) mean also to defend that ? Surely,'
like the hero of old, the Company. ,had a right to.
be destroyed in the light, that they might at leatst
see who their enemies. were; • :
In allusion to what hail been said on a former
day, by Mr. Hume, be remarked, that if the
Commissioners of Customs could' not ,ple.vent
Intigglin in the River,Thames., under their 0,,v0
eyes, how could they: reasonably expect that it
could be prevented when the trade was extended
to so many distant alit-ports, begged the
Court to consider the power of their adversaries,
invested With: all the means which Ministers have,
and ought to have, of carrying: the Measures they
propose.--When he saw, Ithweser, that the in,
habitants of the metropolis were making common
cause with them—when he sale the idiniber
respectable Merchants who were presting forwardto
sign Petitions to Parliament, in their caese,
he could not despair
,of specess. When Mr.
:Fox, with all hiS distinguished talents, backed by
a majority in Parliament, .and by.3o manyef the ,•
ancient and noble families of the eOuhtry, attack-
ed them, they were firm, and the ciniscquence
was that they, were ultimately successful. They
bad thiS cheering consolation alio, that unpopu-
larity wefuld attach op any Ministry which Should
attempt to trample on the rights of others, for .I,ts
own aggrandisement, When the Aliriistry reflect-
ed on the extent of their commerce and esta-
blishments; it must hesitate before it cOnsigned
them to destruction. Thinking as he did, he
had no hesitation in dissenting •from the' Amend-
ment. As,to the ltesolutiims,he had morc doubts ;
it would, his opinion, be deSirahle that the
principles on which they proceeded should he
briefly and: distinctly laid down, 'AS unanimity, •
however, was on such an occasion especialiv de-
sirable,
if many of the Proprietors assented to the
Restitutions which bud been proposed be shOuld
not clissnit.
Mr, IL TwisS rose, and entered into the sub-
ject at sonic length. The enemies of the COM-
patty were in the habit of founding their argu-
'items upon onsrepreselitations,and to this purpOse
no Word was more lavishly used trt-iito-
pOly-Tilvy Were called monopolists, and this
assertion would •have had some weiglit,,did it not
want the ofd fushiotted virtue of truth. If they
were monopolists, they were monopolists only hi
expellee ; and in this their adversaries had •sheivn
no anxiety to share. They had been compared to
tenants whose leases had expired ; it Was,in-
deed, the ease, that after they had expended their
wealth -arid !about. 41.1 improving their. lam, they
were now called on to give it up ; and that which
they (tad sown wit S-now to be'reaned by others.
If the concessions which werC now proposed were
actually made, the smugglers would effectually
possess the monopoly. If it Wits iMpOSSI hie to
prevent the exportation of bullion; the profit on a
cargo of which was only hull per cent. how would
it be possible to prevent the smuggling of teas,
the profit on - which would be 96 per cent As
well might they attempt to suppress vice by prp-
annation,,or disease -by Act of Parliament.
Mr. PIA/ M MElt said, that 'from the. inquiries
which lie had made respecting the American
trade with India, he was induced to believe, it'
was not profitable to those who carried it on, It
was only by combining two or three voyages that
the commerce could be made at all to answer.
A tiOAL JACKSON. said, he wets indtleCti to
believe' what he flail heard, that their common,
wealth was in danger, by the talents which had.
discovered theniselves among them. • It was .sel-
dons, Indeed, except in times of danger, that a
state knew the talents Which it possessed. In ad-
verting to the correspondence of which so much
had,been said, he was happy so see that Lord
Buckinghamshire had treated tba,.Proprictors as,
persons,. worthy consulting—OA he had not,
after the example of former Ministers, conceived
that *there were only two parties whose wishes
oufebt to be inquired into,the ;Ministry told the D-
i.
reel ors, Lord Buck iiighantAire had.ealled ou them
for itsopinion, and he': (Mr, Jackson) hoped, that
the opinion which they might give would be tetu-

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perately and cant .11y conVey,A, - The alternative,
utiwhic i his Lor Iship had called upon them todecide
waS,-tidat they should consent to he exttionsiOn
of the right of import to the ottt-ports. They
wt it msent to this proposition in all its naked•
oess, an -1 with all its dangers, or some other
mode should he found of administering the Go-
vernment of India: After paying a compliment
to the modesty and talents of the Honottrable
Moves' of the Resolutions, Mr. J. proceeded to
'remark, that though the general arguments of
.the Honourable Gentleman who had !flowed the
amendrneot, had been well replied to, vet if some
of the numerical statements of. that Honourable
Gentleman were not controverted, he would be
suffered to depart with advantage. lie was more
glad to contend with the Honourable Gentleman
than with a common antagouist ; .and if the
speech of that Honourable Gentleman was to be
considered as the speech. of Lord litickinglem-
Shire, he wished that nobleman had manifested
as much candour in the negociations as he had
shewn taste" in the choice of his champion. He
admired the skill of the Honourable Gentleman
in this, as in other respects, viz: that he began
by defending the Ministers, and thus conciliated
to himself all those persons who, in such"a
big as the present, most, front public or per.ion-
al motives, be nttached to the administration.
Before he proceeded to rern:rk on Lord Rocking-
bainshire's letter, he felt conVelled to ITf11;,:
that, as in the House of Commons, all those
Charges are pointed at the Minister, which cue in-
tended to apply to the whole body of the Minis
try—so ill that Cour, much would be pointed c,t.
the. Noble Lord so oaten alluded to, which wo:111
be more properly ap;died to the ...Ministry. Ile
considered, iodeed, the truer in ipiestioo as a
Cabinet 14.1ter,.thOtigh it could trot be consider-
.ed as accordant with the sentiments O' Lord Mel-
ville, one of its members. Ile should have
thought it the more, advisable for that Noble Lord
to follow the example -of those great men" who.
hail left the'Cabinet rather than incur the charge
of temporary inconsistency.; and he (lilt not think
that the muses of Cuneing, or Wellesley,-sound-
ed less harmonious in the ears of Englishmen, be-
,cattst they had pursued•sach a course.,
Mr. J.:cKSON, in ContiOthlii.oll, remarked, that
from the'terms of the Amendment, it appeared to
as_ if a radical change was already anticipat-
ed in the Government of then, on
this SuppoSition, alluded to the subject of an in-
demnification to the Proprietors.- Why,.'he would
ask, lead not fird Bockinghaeishire in his coy-
respondeneu, eropoierl au 4dequute remuneration
to the COmpany in' such an event ? ..13eeause
neither the present Ministry, net- any other that
ever existed, 'nor either ;km/than Wild and his
gang, were they the ,Ministers, oduld think,
without an outrage upon all moral feeling, of
proposing ultimately a cession of our rights in
India, without a suitable remeneration. Although
hadlormerly told ;.-tient, that their
Charter would trot be-yeneWed without some opeo-
ing of the trade, in order to facilitate the bringing
home• of investments from India, - still lie V 4,115
against the plan of the present MiniStry. lle also
declared himself for the monopoly of the 'Cain.-
pally, as well as for the continuance of its system
of Government in India, He did not attempt, as
Minister's attempt at present, to•sobverr the Con-
stitution of that Government.—.lf oar Rulers
woidil exert themselves, as they ought, to amend
and not to subvert it, they would confer the
and would, at
ptn-
tgbreeasttemsitebttimi, olitically i
it
inortal.—lnstead of this, they have grappled with;
the question ; and he could Mit help saying, that
he anticipated their fall in the contest. The peo-
ple would oVercome theta in this Struggle,•for they
hlaawi..„,„, in a 'similar one, destroyed it greater
/tiny:, Mr. the facts Mentioned by
Mr. Hume, that the private trade ,o 1793 amount•
ed only to 181;0001.; in 1798, 80Q,0001. J., and in
1810, to 3,000,000/. he would draw a different
'inference from his. 'For he would ask, tinder
whose auspiees tick great increase had taken
cittleilpmiy,
ei.\Vasit not under that of the Directors,
Proprietors,, &c. whom it was now
intended to supersede? Mr. Ilione theti was .a
good argument for us, and not against us, With
respect to another of his urguments, taken from
the fact, that. Lord Wellesley %vas obliged to li-
cense some private shipping, in additioa to those
of the Company, he must state, that. this' was,
done •when the funds of the Company Were applied
to one of the greatest a political purposes, that
of counteracting the machinations of' a power
that.- meditated the overthrow of the whole
civilized world. Even were he to admit that
the facts were • as the Honourable Proprie-
tor (Mr. Home) had stated thCtli, still most
of the inferences :were` agathst him- The
Government, appear anxious to make au expeci-.
ment.; but this business can never be fairly a oa-
tional question, unless the experiment be made in
such a way, as in the issue to afford an adequate
remuneration. Though he admitted that the Com-
pany ought to make out a good cause, and that
they cannot do so without satisfying the intellect
and the philosophy of Glasgow and of. Liverpool,
they were not obliged to satisfy those of *suterest-
ed individeals. lie then condemned some expres-
'sions in Lord Buckinghamshire's letter, With re-
spect to the 'Petitions and Representations of the
.Out-ports, tout would remind his Lordship, that
the same persons were also for Parliamentary Ite7
fort], ftlitt Catholic Emaneipatiem. With respect
to. the trade of. the Americans to India, it Wit 3 a
serious Subject, on account of the number of Li-
censes granted to them before the War, and which
may be granted to them on the retttrn of peace..
In speaking on this point, lie condemned the .re-'
peal of the Orders in Council. 'I he 13th article
of a treaty formerly Made with America, gave
them a sort of free trade to India. In conse-.
(pence of it they asserted a right to at circuitous
trade to all our• ports in. India; and this point Was
given up to them_ fry Lord Melville and the
try; the consequence was a similar claim front
other neutral nations. The patty were wil-
ling;
to iticrease the number of private ships in
this trade.......,N0, this shall not be,' it west be free,-•
sway the merchants of Glasgow mudj
Oar Statesmen should strongly endeavour to

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