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3PADA 31.

the motion for granting:
20001. to Mr. Ill'Adarn in the Committee of Supply this even.
ing, which stood-in the Orders of the House, against the name
of the Right Honourable-the Chancellor Of the Exchequc2r,
ex-
pressed his astonishment at so alarming a proposition.
pledged himself to
.prove to denionstation, that if such a propd,'
sition were.agreed to; there was no invention of the'last century
which would not be irresistibly entitled to similar reward. He
himself shoUld be prepared immediately-Id propose a very large
grant to Sir HumphryDavy, for his safety lamp, than were an
invention more advantageous to the public could not be pointed-
out. He trusted the Right Honourable Gendeinan would at
least delay his proposition.
The CHANCELLOR of the- EXCHEQUER said, in an=
Swer, that he had no anxiety to accelerate the decision on this
grant. But he niust deny that he bad not given adequate notice
of it, having mentioned his intention before the holidays. He
had then-postponed it on the suggestion of sonic of his Hon.
Friends; and therefore he really did not see on what grounds'
he could justly be urged to delay it still further. He was, how-
ever, quite ready to 'consult the wishes of the House on the
subject.

ITROUGHAM said,'that it would be a matter of per.
sonal-accommodation to him If the proposition were postponed
Tar a week.

After a few words from ISlr.'lT.Su3tvEßand Mr.MA 11E2 Ll',
'The 'CHANCELLOR of The EXCHEQUER agreed to
postpone his proposition to that day fortnight.

COMMITTEE OP SUPPLY.

The House having resolved itself into a Committee of Supply,
31r. BEI3,NAIa adverted ,to the charges which had been
brought against Mr. Peto, the builder of the Custom-house, and
expressed, on the part of that gentleman, the greatest anxiety
that those charges should be put in. a course of investigation.—
Mr. Peto was extensively engaged in bwlinessiwhich he was
prevented from carrying on while the present imputations ex-
isted against hint--imputations that he was confident
_he could
completely refute.
Mr. BERRIES could not, in the present state of the inves-
tigation, say more, than that it appeared to the Treasury that
there had been, on the cart of Mr. Peto, an imperfeaexecution
or a neglect of his duty (to use the mildest. terms possible),
which rendered it more than -probable that some ulterior pro-
ceedings must he resortel to-on the subject. lie could assur.:
the lion. .Ilember, that no time cvnuld be lost in bringing the
inquiry now going on to a termination.
Mr. CA I.CRAFT wished to know whether any Return had
been made to die inquiry respecting the imputed fraudulent
corn averages at Ipswich ? As he was on his legs, he would
beg leave to say, with reference to the last subject of observa-
tion, that, happening to have had some professional- conununi-
cation with %ir. Peto, -he could most conscientiously declare
that he had witnessed great skill on his part, considerable dig-
patch, and in every respect.an honest discharge of his duty.
-Mr. HUSKISSON, in reply to the Honourable Gentleman's
question, said, that the Returns alluded 'ta had not hitherto
been received. _ .

Mr. Alderman WOOD wished to know whether au), extent
had been issued -by the- Cr'uen against Mr. Peto'a property ?
He asked this, as,considerable alarm and injury had been oc-
casioned by the report that such was the case..
Mr. HERRIES replied that there was no truth whatever in
the statement. No legal pi:oceedings whatever had been insti-
tuted on the subject.

On the motion of Mr.' GOULBURN, a grant of 56,000/.
was agreed to for the Police .and Watch Establishment of
Dublin.

On the motion for granting 8,0001. to the Commissioners of
National Education in Ireland,
Mr. HUME: asked-when the-Report of 'the Commissioners
would he made ?

111 r. GOULBURN said, he understood on an early day.
Mr. L. FOSTER could testify to the anxiety of the- Com_
missioners on the subject. They laboured everyday, and all.
day long.—The Resolution was then agreed to.
On-the motion for granting if!7,!;sll.c'for the roads and liar--
bours of Holyhead and Howth,
Mr. HUME said he should be glad to know how much
more would be required for this purpose: Year after year
similar sums were voted. -- He advised that a survey should be
made, to ascertain what would be the final expenditure. •
Mr. HERRIES could assure the lion. Member, that the
greatest care was taken that the money voted for this purpose
should be properly expended. The works-were untie: the direc-
tion of Commissioners properly qualified. 'He was happy to
add, that though the present was not the last grant which it
would be necessary to propose, there was every reason to be-
lieve that one or two more grants would be sufficient. It was
not impossible that the grant of next year would close the whole
expence.
Mr. HUME feared that the whole would amount to a very
round sum, and he thought it a very bad precedent to vote
money for roads at all. Every year a Bill was passed regard-
ing this road, with very heavy charges for-solicitor's bills. He
wished to know why 1400/. a year was to be paid for passing a
Measure which was unopposed ?
• -Sir H. PARNELL replied that the Bill had been very much
opposed out of the House if not in it.. The expence was-very
Considerable, in consequence, in a great degree, of the amount
of fees paid in Parliament, exceeding 10001. The whole road
was two hundred and sixty miles in- length, including two Sus-
pension Bridges and two Harbours. Last year the number of
contracts was twenty-five. .

Mr. CALCRA FT was not surprised that the large Solicitor's
Bill had attracted attention. Though technically, this might be
called a Private Bill, it was not in spirit any such thing. He
complained particularly of the expence of 61. for each mile.
Stone on• this road, when the ordinary charge of a very person-
able mile-same in Kent was otlynbout 11. The whole subject
of Private Bills required investigation' for the purpose Of saving
the money of the public. :
Sir H. PARNELL adverted to the diStance the mile-stones
on the-Holyhead road had to-be drawn. The expenditure ge-
nerally was as small as it was possible to be.
Mr. CALCII.I}"P admitted that the road was most excel.
lent, but ha still could not account satisfactorily for the high
price of the mile-atones.
- Sir J. NEWPORT contended, that all measures of a-public
nature, like the present;
private-Bills. • *
ought rot to ,be subject to the fees of

Mr. V. FIT7JIERALD said', that though' Bills of this kind
were paid for •by public money, they interfered with private
rights, and were in feet privatelnca:a:res. No blame was to
be imputed to the Commissioners, • nor to the Solicitor. Ile
was not. prepared to- defend The mile-stones, but be had every
confidence that the Conunissjoners would not pay too much.-
-No more important -Work hail ever been undertaken or more
fairsatis fat: toecril eclipse ail aelcul liveoirtinofg. "times,-and to equal
bridgen of Menai, it bade
any of those of antiquity.
Mr. BERRIES said a few werds as to the question whether
this was or was not a private Bill.
Mr. HUME begged to know how much mg= money would.
be wanted for the completion-of theungertaking. Two bridges
had been built by the Commissioners, which were formerly con-
sidered county. bridges.
- Sir H. PARNELL explained, that the County denied its
right to repair the bridges, Wl,ich were in a very dangerous state.
Mr.. CA ICRA FT did not see why Shooter's. hill should not
be cut down at the public exoence just as reasonably. • •
The vote was then agreed to.
E3l renzAnoN.
- Mr. HUME hoped that the intended vote for Emigration

would not be brought forward to night, as; the attendance
of Members was so Thin. Ile should. rez,ist the proposal ia
every way.
_ _

Mr. W. HORTON could not consent to the delay, as he
knew of no more convenient opportunity of discussing the sub
ject. The Hon. Illember then proceeded to propose the Reso-
lution fbr granting a sum of money to promote emigration to
Canada. He adverted to the vote of 1623, for the purpose of
conveying persons rrom the South of Ireland to the Cape of
(loot! Hope, and observed, that the-objeet was.one of national
importance that could not be so well effected in any other man-
INT. Ile did not mean to bind himself to any particular plan
of emigration,-but he Was prepared to chew that the principles
on which it rested were sound, although improvements upon
sonic points might be suggested and adopted. The error of
past emigration had been, that people were sent 'out, and when
they arrived at their destination, they had not the means of pro-
curing subsistence ; but the purpose now was, to place the
settlers in such a Situation as to enable them to support them-
selves by their own industry. lie submitted the vote, because
the effect of it, he confidently believed, would be to benefit both
Ireland and-Canada.

Air. GRATTA N complained, that no account had -been
given of the result of the proceedings on this subject in the last
year. As 'far as any thing was known upon the subject, it
seemed that the experiment, as far as related to Canada, had not
answered. In his view, it became the House to pause at present,
not only till Ministers brought fcfward such in fozmcdion as they
GI se s
situationsed bu
oft was seen whether, from any change in
Pt:any such course as .that now recom-
mended was necessary,
until it

Mr. VESEY FITZGERALD supported the proposition,
believing that it 'would be 'equally beneficial to. and
Canada. . .

Mr. ABERCROMBIE thought that the introduction of the
present question was in itself a decisive proof of the bad system
of Government existing in Ireland. instead of considering
whether means could not be discovered to give sufficient em-
ployment to the labouring classes, so as to enable them to live
upon the fruits ofilicir industry, the HOW:: was now to be en-
gaged in a discussion upim the best means of transporting them
to another country. -However, if the people were to emigrate,
he" was opposed to the principle of Government taking the whole
expence of the emigration upon itself, as he thought it would
be amply sufficient, if those who intended to emigrate simply
received assistance from the Government, instead of being sent
out by it.
Mr. WILMOT HORTON' defended the grant, which he
described. to be only of an experimental kind. Its objects
were td be pursued in the most economical manner, and he
should therefore be very happy .to _receive from any Gentle-
man a suggestion of a practical nature, by which the expence
could be diminished, though he believed that could hardly be
done. •

Mr. BRIG HT approved of the new principle of emigration,
but complained of the expence at,which it had been attempted
to be carried into effect. Ile believed that some reductions
could be made in that expellee, although the Hon. Gentleman
opposite seemed to believe that impossible. He thought the
House had better examine whether there was not a more advan-
tageous.method of diziposing of the-surplus population of Ire.
land than by sending them- abroad. He should oppose the
grant now, not absolutely, but conditionally, until a Commit-
tee hadbeen appointed to investigate the subject, and to report
therebn to the House;- and among other things to state whe-
ther, in their opinion, a grant for the sum of 30,000/.• not
more than.-sufficient for the purposes of the -emigration, sup-
posing that emigration to be necessary.
'Mr. S. RICE expressed his thanks to the Government -for
having taken up this subject. Em*ration was an experiment
which had been tried, and failed; and now it was asked to
~
try the same experiment, again, witnout knowing how far it was
instrumental in the intended object. In point of fact, the pea-
santry of Ireland looked on this system of emigration as only a
genteel mode of transportation ; but now they were anxious to
emigrate to anyplace where they could find an honest mode of
subsistence.

•:11 r. M., FITZG ERA LI) was disposed to continue the expe-
rithent of emigration. He concluded by giving his hearty con-
sent, to the proposed grant. • .
• Mr. HUME wished to know, if these colonies were•sent out,
whether they were likewise to be provided with capital there to
trade upon ? Before making • the grant the-House ought. not
only to have full e% idence on the subject, but likewise minutes.
of what hall been taken on the points in question, in the Colo-
nies. Ile was credibly informed that 13, out of every 20 emi-
grants that went into Upper Canada, passed on to the United
States ; and therefOre, .untilaccounts-should be received from
Canada, ha Should- oppose the grant. At present he looked
upon it as a most-wanton piece of extravagance, and he should,
therefore, were the question pressed upon the Committee, ft.vl
it to be hisduty to divide the House.
-zir..l.'4:lTl.'ra supported the
.grant, lie would vote the
mini of 30;00U: to send a given, number of Irish peasants to the
Capadas, oil the -simple ground that.. he should thereby be res-
cuing that number of persons from hopeless misery: his semi-
meats might, 'by some 'Hoff. Gentlemen, be found fault with,
but he should, at least, have the consolation of feeling that he
had rendered a number of his fellow-subjects happy for life.
.111r.'C. 'HUTCH NSON agreed with the Hon. Member for
3lidhurst,CUr. J.' Smith), that- this vote was calculated to re-
lieve a'smull portion-of-the population-of. Ireland. -.lf his.--Ma-
j esty's Government, however, conceived. that tikis measure would
atlbrd any substantial -relief to the .-miseries of that. country,
they grossly deceived themselves... It was not by promoting-
any scheme of emigration, but by uniting the people of.-Ire-
hind, and finding employment for its •superabund'ant 'popula-
tion, that effectual relief could be aflhrdcd.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, said, that if
the'propOsition for a Cornmittee were •rneimt as a substitute for
the, present vote, he should certainly oppose it. He had no
objection, however, to referring the general question of emigra-
tion to Ireland on a large scale, to a specific Committee, as the
Committee on the General State of Ireland might be too much
occupied' with other subjects of inquiry to embrace that,parti-
,
cular question.
31r. TRA NT supported the motion. He should not have
done so, however, hut for the pledge of a Committee to take
the question of Emigration into consideration.
The Resolution was agreed to ; the Chairman reported pro-
gress; and the .House.: resumed.
On the motion of Mr. C. GRANT, the Colonial Intercourse
Bill was committed, upon the understanding that the 'Report
would be taken Into further consideration on Monday week.
On the motion ofMr. HURRIES, the House resolved itself
into '
a-Committee on the 'Customs and Excise Consolidation
Acts, and leave was given to bring in a Bill to embody those
Acts.

On. the motion of Mr. COURTENAY, the House went into
atommittee on the. Bankrupt Laws Amendment Dill. •
Some additional clauses were agreed to, and the Report was
ordered to be received on Monday next.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at Twelve o'Clock till 11lontlny next.

FRENCH CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES.