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next stale of the Bill, would give to Me bets as full a diacussinn
tl ey might have had upon the motion for a second reading.—(ficar,".)
Mr. F. FRENCH said that the course which he.nieant to purane qAs
this----as soon as he had got the Bill reported, then he Would, with fire
co4urrence of the different parties, tix a day for the discussion at a
tant period --(Hear, hear.) The sootier, however, the iiill:was now
advanced the better. Having once made the alterations liedesired tc;
make,•and put the. Bill in proper liirm before the House, then he Owl'
fix a day for the discussion ; it would be at least a fortnight distant COI
the period when the was so before the House, and so as to lot 44
the medical practitioners have a full opportunity for putting forward
their views tipm this subject.—(Hear.)
Sir It. FERGUSSON remarked that there were two principles in this
Hill--one was that in which the medical practitioners felt meat
deeply interested, and the other was that to which he most stronglY nb"
jetted, nam:ly, that which gave a power to a certain Committee of roc"
dleal gentlemen to have placed under them the medical charities in Ire"
fond, and to assess the counties in Ireland as they might think tit. He
could not allow the socond reading of the Bill to pass unopposed, if, it
were intended to retain that part of the Bill. With such an objec-
tionable principle in the Bill he could not allow the Bill to pass neP;
posed, arid should take the sense of the House upon it. The Grand
Juries of 'Wand ought not to be deprived of the power of regulating 31)d
c.altrolling the expcnses tobc imposed upon the rate-payers by any super:
intending Charity Board whatever. He would not wish to give to any ft,c'
Board the power of imposing what sum they liked, without the Grand
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Jury being able to comma the expenditure. He objected so much to
that principle in the that he should now move that this Bill be
read a second time that day six months.
Mr. F. FRENCH was, he said, as anxious to save the amount of the
County cess as the H m Member who had just spoken. That which had
bced objected to, he did not hold to he a part of the principle of the Bib'
as the prioCi.ole was for the extension and protection of medical charities

in Ireland.
Sir It. FUR GUSSON. Asked if the Hon, Member would omit °int,
portion of the Bill, if he did not hold it to be an essential part
othe Bill ?
Mr. WARBURTON thought it right to give notice that there was
one portion of the Bill to which he objected, namely, that the Commission
under the Bill, to whom very great powers were given, was to consist oni
of professional men, without any laymen being added to it. ne
de-
cidedly objected to any such proceeding. If thei e was to be A Board - n

Management, there should be laymen added to that Board.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN did not think that the course of proce,'
which had been devised was that which was the best adapted for
useful discussion upon this subject. It would be in the power of MO;
he to give suggestions in the debate that must arise upon the sec°.
reading. No such opportunity was afforded by the present course
h
The Hon. Member for Roscommon had the opportunity of making such
amendments as might be proposed by himself ; but he could n°
afterwards take advantage of the suggestions offered b• others, unless be
c:llloented to regard as the second stage"of the Bill the motion for re'
commitment, He confessed that he was himself very sorry, for the sake
of having the information that ought to be afforded upon this Aubject
before the pubil : that they did not at once go into a discussion upon 'ha
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general principle or the Bill. He hoped a long interval of time WT,.
be allowed to take place between the discussion on the Bill, and the
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ther proceeding with it.
felt
Lord CLEMENTS believed that tho strongest objection would be
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to this Bill. He took that opportunity of gaying that he intended to °if
against it. He did not expect the Bill could go through Committee', the
lie were to vote for the Bill, one of the most essential principles 4
Bill must be omitted by his Hon. Friend. This Bill gave a contract v
money to others than those who paid the tax. He could not consent to
take the money of the cess-payers, and leave it to the control of those,
who did not pay cess. He admitted that great advantages must
derived from improving the position of the great medical college', anj
therefore this Bill would be so far beneficial ; but he objected to
introducing the power of taxing the Irish people for purposes of obt,l°l
ing an advantage for medical people. He objected to the Bill altogether,
and was then prepared to go into its discussion.
Lord MORPETH called upon the House to give its support to tbii,
Bill, because the object of it was not that which it had been represents
to be. They could not have a full and proper discussion on the
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before the second reading, as they were prepared to make very essentlead
alterations in it. Hoping, then, that his Hon. Friend would be all°9l-0,
to proceed with the second reading, with the understanding that Plenty,
of time would be given for its subsequent discussion, he begged to
understood as no further pledged to the principle of the Bill than th;;',
that lie expected they would be able to devise some efficient mode 'o
the inspection of medical charities in Ireland. As to the composition of
the Board, and the particular powers to be given to the Board, thel
were points which required the greatest consideration.
The Bill was then read a second time. To be committed to a Coin.
mittee of the whole House on Tuesday.

JOINT-STOCK BANKS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER having moved the SP-
',ointment of the Committee on Joint-Stock Banks,
Mr. FINCH complained that the interests of the Joint-Stock vs-hl•
e
oflssUe were not fairly represented in the Committee. There
believed, but one member of the Committee who was connected with
Joint-Stock Bank of issue, and he was the Hon. and Learned Member
for Dublin, Re concluded by moving that Mr. Ormsby Gore be added
to the Committee,
The CHANCELLOR 6: the EXCHEQUER said, gar
as regarded the
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Hon. and Learned Member for lin being the only member on
Committee connected with Joint-Stock lia:lks of issue, the Hon. Gent eo
the
man was under a mistake ; the Hon. MoZber for Whltebaveltva
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connected with one of those banks, and he had attended the Colon.'" -
very regularly.
otion
After a few words from Mr. O'Commata. and Mr. HtThl, the M
was negatived without a division, and the following Colon'
appointed :—Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir Robert reel' gr.
Poulctt Thomson, Sir James Graham, Mr. Clay, Mr. Goulburn,io
Baring, Mr. Loch, Mr. John Abel Smith, Mr. Pattison, matt 11
o'Conne '
Attwood, Mr. Strati, Sir Thomas Fremantle. Mr. Shaw, Mr.
Mr. Jephson. ittee ;ar.

STANDING ORDERS.
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Mr. DILLON BROWNE moved that so much of the ninth gneral
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Standing Order as requires a subscription contrast, and the lodgment
one-tenth part of the amount subscribed, may, as regards Ireland, be dls:
pensed with, in case the Commissioners of Public Works in that countr:
give an undertaking to advance, by way of loan, three-fourths th
amount of the estimates towards the production of the work required.
After a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and Mr'
O'CONNELL, the motion was withdrawn.

SLAVE-TRADE—SWEDEN AND THE NETHERLANDS.
Upon the motion of Lord PALMERSTON, a Bill to carry into cfreC
additional articles to the treaties with Sweden and the Netherlands, re"
lative to the Slave Trade, were read a first time.