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earnest of peace, and that the run which had been made at him
would not drive him with disgust from the gov,srument of the
Colony. With respect to the number of the Council, the
words of the Act were " five at least ;" and if the Right Hon.
Gentleman could make six out of five, he (Mr. O'Connell)
did not envy his arithmetical powers.
After a few words from Mr. ELLIS and Mr. O'CosiNsm„
Sir C. GREY objected to its going abroad that Lord
Durham went out with dictatorial powers to Canada. If such
an opinion gained ground, it might materially interfere with
the good which Lord Durham's appointment would be calcu-
lated to effect.
After a few explanatory words from Lord J. Russell, Lord
Ingestre, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the vote was
agreed to.
The sum of 189,022/. ls. Bd. was ♦oted for the disem-
bodied militia.

The llouse then resumed.
CUSTOMS BiLL.
On the motion of Mr. P. THOMSON this Bill was ;Tad a
third time, and passed.
JOINT-STOCK BANKS BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQITER moved the
second readinz of this Bill.
Sir E. SUGDEN, although he did not intend to divide the
House, 3et had great objections to the Bill. He feared that
it would be felt to produce great inconvenience, and would not
operate beneficially for the objects contemplated.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER contended
that the Bill was to be justified on the ground of the strong:
necessity that had existed for its adoption. Without some•
remedy, such as that proposed, it would be impossible for
joint-stock banksto go on at all. The point of law which had
been raised would, unless some remedy was afforded, greatly
interfere with their right (as we understood) to sue their
shareholders. The measure was only of a temporary nature,
and it would be for after consideration whether some other
checks and safeguards which had been suggested should or
should not be adopted.
The Bill was then read a second time.
The Transfer of Funds (War Office) Bill was, on the mo-
tion of Lord HOWICK, read a second time.
FORMS OF PLEADINGS BILL.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the committal of
this Bill. - _ _

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An HoN. MEMBER moved that the House should adjourn,
observing that such Bills should not be brought before the
House at so late an hour of the night. . .

The gallery was then cleared fo-r a division--
For the original motion 3B
For the amendment , 5

Majority for the motion 33
The Bill then went through Committee, and the House re-
sumed.
The Conveyances of Estates Bill was read a second time.
On the motion of the SOLICITOR-GENERAL the
Bankruptcy Court 13;11 was ordered to be committed this day
tlree months.
On the motion of Mr. FOX MA [ILE leave was given to
bring in a Bill to suspend the militia ballot for one year.
Lord MORPETH obtained leave to intNduce a Bill to
amend the 6th and 7th of William IV., relating' to detached
portions of counties in Ireland.
Both Bills were brought up and read a first time, And cr-
dered to be printed.
On the motion of Mr. FOX MAULE, the following re-
turns were granted :
" Return by the clerks to the Commissioners of Supply of the several
counties in Scotland, showing the amount of rogue money annually as-
sessed on each county during the last five years, distinguishing in sepa-
rate columns, in so far as practicable, the amounts respectively applied
to the apprehending, the subsisting, and the prosecuting of criminals,
and to any other purposes, stating what such other purposes are. Return
by the Queen's and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer in Exchequer in
Scotland, showing the several sums annually allowed in the several
Sheriff's' accounts during the last five years, for the expenses of criminal
Investigations, prosecutions, trials, or other criminal proceedings, dis-
tinguishing under separate heads, in so far as practicable, the purposes to
which such sums have been applied. Return, by the Crown agent in
Scotland, showing the expenses of criminal investigations, prosecutions.
trials, or other criminal proceedings, in name or under the authority of
the Lord Advocate, during the last five years, distinguishing in separate
columns, in so far as practicable, the portion of such expenses applicable
to investigations and proceedings in the Court of Justiciary, and in the
Sheriffs' and other inferior Courts, and stating from what sources such
expenses have been defrayed."
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
Houle adjourned at Half-past One o'Clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, 'liar 30.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his scat on the Woolsack at
Five o'clock.
The Earl of WICKLOW presented a petition from Lin-
coln, praying for the enfranchisement of Church property on
just and equitable principles.
A message from the House of Commons brought up the
County of Clare Treasurers' Bill, and several other Bills,
which were read a first time.
Lord HATHERTON said that the other House of Parlia-
ment had lately made a considerable improvement in the
Standing Orders relative to private Bills ; arid he inquired
whether there was an intention to do so in this House ?
Lord SHAFTESBURY thought it very desirable, and
therefore moved for a Committee ; which was agreed to.
Lord CAM PERDO WN presented a petition from Leith,
in favour of the Municipal Corporations ( Scotland) Bill.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from a gentle-
man at Chelmsford, complaining that a person who had been
convicted of a very aggravated burglary at that place bad been
liberated without any sufficient ground.
The Duke of WELLINGTON presented petitions in fl-
v our of the Beer Bill from several places in the county of
York.

LORD DURHAM.
Lord ABERDEEN presented a petition from Newfound'
land, which he said was the most unhappy and distracted colon):
belonging to this country. The petitioners complained of
a state of society produced principally by religious
ani-
mosity,
in which it was scarcely possible for business to be
carried on, and they prayed for relief He was at a loss !o
suggest any remedy, but trusted that some palliation would,
speedily take place. He begged to ask whether the colony °I
Newfoundland was under the jurisdiction of Lord Durham? lls
he did not know to what extent his Lordship's powers went.
Lord GLENE LG regretted that such animosities should
exist. The remedy suggested by the petitioners was that of an
alteration in the constitution of the colony. These animno"
ties had chiefly sprung up from differences on religious subi
jects, and they were the most difficult to allay of any, an 4
he thought all had been done that could be done to put an en
to these animosities. With respect to Lord Durham, his
Commission gave him the same power with respect to Nev"
foundland as to the other colonies.

Lord BROUGHAM could not refrain from putting a 00'
tion to the Noble Lord on the subject, and entreating b!°
earnest attention to this petition. It was stated in the Amer'_
can papers that Lord Durham had appointed a Special Coen'
cif, consisting of five persons, three of whom were of his Ora
household, and not one a Canadian ; and also that heada
issued an ordinance, declaring that three persons ha
come in and confessed they were guilty of rebelliom
and without bringing them to trial he had sentenced tbeel
himself, and sent them to Bermuda, with the conditiol:
that they should be put to death if they left the place. N'd
this would be neither more nor less than murder if carrie
into effect. In another declaration he had stated that if Fa:
pincau entered the territories of Canada he also should be 1:0"
to death. This was equally monstrous, for it was contrarl
to every principle of justice to hang a man without tryi";
h im. --( Hear, hear.)
Lord E LLE NBORO UG II wished to call the attention 0f
the House to the creating of a sham council, which was
restriction whatever on the Governor, for they coincided 11
every thing which he might do ; and he was convinced thatci,
this had been known the Bill would never have been pa"ac.d
proceedingsHe moved for papers relating to the which
taker, place under the appointment of Lord Durham.
the
Lord G LENELG said as far as he could produces
documents he would do so. It was rather premature to cella
sure the conduct of the Noble Earl in this manner, for he b

gained Vie confidence of both parties.
Lord MELBOURNE had no objection to the producti,°ll..
of these papers, but he must say that it was in the highest (lie
gree imprudent and unjustifiable to sacrifice the interests of to
country to the interests of party—to sacrifice the highest übjc_co,
to the desire of attacking individuals in order to pronounce suet,
a determined condemnation upon those acts which had bee
deemed necessary by the Noble Lord, who was on the 0)
and who was therefore the best qualified to judge of what v. 4;
necessary.
Lord I3R OUG HA M absolutely and peremptorily disgentcojo
from the doctrine of the Noble Lord.—( Hear, hear.) It Iroi
not only not unpatriotic, premature, and unjustifiable, but it
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absolutely necesary and the duty of the House to keep a 'Mite. 1
ful superintendence over the exercise of such dictatorl.„..s
powers as were entrusted to the Governor of Canaduacj
( Hear, hear.) With rcqard to factious views, he regal. he
them as little as the Noble Viscount formerly did whena
brought forward chirps against the then Government, go,
when that Government accused him of being influenced
factious motives.—( Hear, and laughter.) 1.04
After a few remarks from Lord ELLENBGROUGH and .-
WYNFotin, prosing for a mo full explanation, f hi°
Lord GLENELG said he should defer any remarks o
own until the papers were on their Lordships' table.
JUVENILE OFFENDERS' BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the third Oa
of the Juvenile Offenders' Bill.
The Bill was read a third time accordingly. Bilh
Lor.l LYNDH U RS T did not find on fhe face of the nroo
nor in the statement of the Noble Marquis, either toa
former occasion, anything which could give them if its
sight into the system which was intended to be pursuco•bot,
the first place, however, he wished to remark, that the Nary
vations of the Noble Marquis with regard to the town of i /Act
cheater were founded in a tot misapprehension ; thcbcog
was, that there were scarcely any instances of children, .„ the
j
lost or abando ted there. A humane regulation existed
town, by which the police took any children whom they migil"
wandering to the nearest police station, that parents --taueng,
know where to claim them ; for this purpose they were
,do
there ; and though it was true that in that manner of"°".nder'
8,000 bad been found within the last four years, still u" nee,
. „ nsta ,
stool that all of the m, with the exception of a singiL, I coo
had bee.% claimed and returned to their parents. Now, thc°' hes
side: i.:g the importance of tans subject, he submitted iliabteto. rott
ought to be, eitlik.r en the face of the Bill or in the sta`oloP
of the Noble Marquis, some explanation of the course want'
was intended to be pursued. It they intended to 01°1'4: II
thing like the veparate system, he protested vehementlYuc
f°r th°
it; but further, there was a principle nowintroduced In
ea.
first time in this to which he very strongly objectiorses °
all the prisons of this country, whether county gaols, 1 est!:
correction, or penitentiaries, a system of inspection
blished. That sys.em had bea found to work verytool
dally, and it 4Plicd to all the prisions of Eogisittiary
exception? :,;;d that exception eat the Per.litc"