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MPEnTAt T iTZ

HOUSF..- OF
••
raONDAY, APRIL ,
The Earl of GLAsusaw took the oaths and his
seat.
few 'of the private Bills before the !tome ,
w,:re- forwarded. -After ;which their Lordships .;
adjourned for some time during pleasure.
Oil the ramming of tire HOuse, the Picea-
didy Pavement. Bill was read a third time and -
passed.
A few Private or Local Bills-were brought up
from the Commons by Sirs -W. 'R.
lisoott SN, and other MeMbers, and-respectively
read a first time.
Mr: Leckie 'presented several Accounts from
the, Stamp Office, pursuant firformer' votes of
their. Lordships; which were ordered to lie on the
table, , • • .
The .Additional Customs Duty sill, anti the
Snuff and Tobacco Excise Bill (which were read
a second tisue on Saturday), 'severally passed
through Committees Of the whole House, and
were reported without any amendment.
LOttl ERSKIN E
.presented two Petitions -from
certain Clergy, Freeholders and others, of the
county of Cornwall, against the Catholic Claims,
which were 'ordered to lie on the table.
On the Motion of the Earl of DARWLEY, a va-
riety of Accounts relative to the. Military Force
.of the Country, preparatory to his intender .Mo-
tion after the recess, were ordered to be laid be-
fore the Haase.
On the Motion of the Earl of CLANcAwri, the
Passenger's- Regulation Bill was read a ecoud
time, and ordered to be committed.
On.,the suggestion of the Earl. of HABROWRY,
the farther consideration - the Report 'of the
Curates Stipends Bill was deferred till 'Thurs-
day.,
NATIONAL DEBT BILL. s
The Order of the Day, upon which their Lord-
ships were summoned, being reed;
The Earl of LIVERPOOL rose, and prefaced his •
motion for the second reading of the above Bill,
by a luminous and eloquent speech, (o( which
s our csintracted limrtits allow us' only to glarce at the
prominent paints). Aftern succinct description of, ,
the nature and objects of the Sinking Fund,.
constituted by the'Act of 1786, and extended ley
that of 179,2, tinder the auspices, of .that great
master of Finance, (Mr. Pitt) and sheaving that,
none of , the provisions of these Acts tied up the
hands of,Parliament, as to tire mode. in which the
liquidation of debt was to take place t he
ted that one of the objections, urged against the 4,
measure in question, ought,' if wellfouded, to
he fatal to it, •viz., its inVolving any breach of
faith-to the public creditor. But; be'contended,
that from the consideration of its effects on th
Stork Exchange, from, every opinion admired
even by its opponents
,inVarliamen,-,,, and above
all, from the sentiments expreised by Mr. Pitt
himself, it incontrovertibly appeared there was not
the least foundation for such an apnteh7nsion.—
He held in his hand the copy of a clause taken
from the Loan Bills that" passed since the year
1792, With the exception i.sf the Loyalty Loan,
the ctfetit of ,W,hich was, that every fresh Loan, to
the joint Stock of Annuities was t fella ferable at the ,
,Bank of 'England. This was what was desired by
every Contractor, anti it tended to establish the
point, that the operation of the Sinking; Fund
was trot considered by them with *reference to any
particular Loan',. but, generally, as to its objects
of liquidation, as 'provided for by these,
With resp-et to the Act of 1802, tintin!.; the Ad-'
ministration of his Noble,- Friend (Viseituot
Sicl-
'month), onfwhich•sM,b stress had been laid, 'it
was strenuously suppnrted.by Nfr. Pitt ; and it was
not opposed by any one for its rnvolving a breach
of faith, but on the grounds of policy or ex-
pediency.. And on this point he had even Ole-au-
thority Of the.objectors.thethsclves, who all ad 7
m;tted there shoald he Some new agreement.
They wanted to defer it until the period ofpeace
hut there Was no question as, to a breach of .faith
iii e,ither ,The original principle of.' the
'Sinking Fund, that of gradual redeuiption, must
iTeurred'to sometimes, sooner or later. As to
the idea of eitingnishing in any one year taxes to
the'aMount'af 19 or 20 millions, no sound poli-
tician could ever entertain it. It would lead to
such a convulsion in the country, as no man
could-look sit the inevitable' consequences without
terrot. The system of Sinking Funds
,was never
_intended to he permanent, but subject to the ot-
caSional review of Parliament : and the question
was, were they come :to a period at which it
cOuld he wise to recur to the system of gradual •
redemption ? In this view they were'to coositler
.not only the imMediute circumrtnnecs the ,
country, but its financial operations for some ,
years hack. They had, by the measure of laying
otl between 'l9 anti 20 'millions of war taxes,
saved posterity a debt of at least. 200 millions :
and that hatuensc,bootts had of late been ,voltin-
tarily.g-kTT, by tile country. Would it not be Wise,
politic, oe:expedient, therefore, it it could be done
without public inconvenience or danger, to adopt a
ineasore, like the present; which %you'd leave the
Sinking Pond so as never to be nineh under 12,
"end- go to enable the country to carry
1711 the war on strait an extensive scale'as the pre-
sent, fOratt least four years longer, 'Without the
necessity of additional taxations Nay, were
the country at the end of ten years, or even a,
longer period, 'to find itself at war, they eorthl
proudly lbok at the'situatiort in Which it'would.he
placed, with the ability to carry it On With some-
what of a leaser expenditure, without any addi-
tional-taxavon, - This was not the only yie-A. in
which the operation fit the measure, combined with
its opening p]'ospect~., would henetzt critei7entrilenn:ttqls;
and a 'letger sphere of action for the enterprke,
the industry,,,and the capital of the nation.—On
t',o great events towards the close of last year oil
the Continent he meant not to advert, but mere-
ly stould state his sentiments, that that system
Which grew out of Treaty of Tilsit,•could'eot
again he revived, and that in the re-esteblishment
of the independence of Russia, these great -coin-
mere,ial ' advantages to which be. had referred
would priSent themselves to the country. His
101bisip concluded by moving, that this Bill be
now read a second

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The Ikhrtitl:Q... 'of tiAnsnocrt4 expr‘.s.ssed rtliw
tance, on account of the sincere resisee! he 'enter-,
tained,tor the Right Honourable Gentivman, who,
together 'pith the Noble Earl, ni:;,y he ‘.eoni'idereo
as the author of the measine, •in expresotiig his
lisapproliation, of )t, re,arded the, measweas
trenehing upon the nuniamental institutions Of
the,finances of tie country, and contended, that
from-the opinions avowed,. which v. rt.. comae-.
Danced by the measures of Mr. Pitt, he meant to
preserve the Sinking Fund invio:ate, a principle
he never le warted from, thoughmuch tempted by
the temporary necessities of the 'coiintry. At the
same time., he meant not to deny, that periods
may arke to call upon Parliaueent to review the
system of the Sinking Fund, but the :preSent %vas,
in his mind, very tar from being•one Of thoie pe-
riods. The present inessitre, independent of the
great sums it wool(' involve, tentie, i4reatly to
weaken the principle of the Sink:.:g Fund; as es-
tablished in 1792. For an etpCit fa;r, ,and
just compensation to the public creclitor-, he
look-
ed in vain th;;Oughot4t thel3ill'; and contended
that the disadvantages of the arrangement would
greatly outbulance whatever advantages it :7ignt
confer on the public creditor, or the country. Ile
was of opinion, -enerally speaking, it was the
wisest a id safest polio y to meet the actual de-
mands of the country, and to make the national
revenue equal to .the :expenditilre. The . present
plan, however, went upon a principle which re-.
cognised the accumulation of dept, and.- the pro-
spects which it held out were, delusive .Arid
founded He should prefer to
,the operation of
the measure, an increased demand upon the war
taxes, orndtuitting the principle that the Sinking
Fond was .now. effectually in the review. of I'Ewlie.-;
ment,lie would. prefer a, very limited proport4w,
of it, in,taking which he should be governed b
the excess of the loan for, the Year over the amount
of the Sinking Fund. He, did not , mean. perti-
naciously 'to oppose the measure ; but considera-
tions of duty urgdd him to state these objections
to the measure. .

The Bart of LktfnuanALE regarded himself as
standing in
:an unfortunate situation, in not being
able to assent to the doctrines laid down by the
Noble Earl opposite, or by his. Noble, Friend. who.
spoke last. lie always conside'red the treasure of
a Sinking Fund as one of a misehievoni tendency,
and one tending eventually to increase the.,hur-
thens of the people; and in this sentiment, he was
protid in being borne.out by one of the ablest po-
litical writer 3 of the day. With respect to the
measufe proposed hy Ministers, which were ren-
dered the ;prominent feAture inthis discussion, he
Must say,: he thought that Ministers were nut only
jnstihcd in such a use of the Sinking, Fund, init„
that they were called upon in duty so to do. From
the detailed view taken hr the Noble Earl of ehe
Bill before them, Ire could not consider as in can
-
fortuity with the Acts either of 1792, 1786, or
1802. It was also repunant to the 'principle
on:which any Sinking Flii&could be estAlished ;
but he could not agree xVith his Noble Frittal that
it involaed the least breach of faith, as the public '
creditor has -no: lieu v7hatever upon the Sinkin4
Fund. He repeated his Opinion, that the N0b1,..!
Lords were right in the of a part of
the Sinking Pund, upon the proser.t occaf,ion,
he tho4fit there never was a m intent. in %Vtltiql
'teas more necessary to make titir.:b a 'tie of it. The
Sinking Fttod of Mr. Pitt WWI the most ine!!i.::tit-
cbta w 1.0; ewer before adopted. was one of_
t who de;itised every iv,Nnn of finance bat
vet be thought that a full di,.,cusion of the nature
of the preent measure shOuld_have been
.entered
into lwfore it was .adopted. The.. Sinking Yu ri:t
should not be totich,:tl until zlic,itiltject itinkrvent a
previowi examination.
Lord SlD:gowrn sai4, he would trot deny that
like a contract lintl been entered "1:4.4,
between the public creditor herd the :Goyer:\ awnt
with respect. to the Sinking Fund ; but the NOble
.(Lansdotvn) had raceed Lim front c(nt
• eiderab!e anxiety., by expre:ising his opinion that
the public faith would not he violated by this
measure. The substantial 'iuterest•of the
creditor was provided.for in the Bill. That tact
tuns suflicieutly proved by his Noble Friend (Lord
Liverpool).: jibe taxes who-Ii it would beneees",
sary to raise, nnder the.propused system, wotild.
be muchless than under the former one. This
-was a most important consideration. in 1786 and
1792 there was no plan in the , contemplation cat
Government to provide'for the service -of the year
: except by loan. The prospect held out by the
present plan.was sufficient to :Animate every mitt&
It was a measure most beneficial to the country:
which held .ont new proofs and new grounds .
confidence. .

The Marquis of 14.‘iisnowx explained ; after
which the Bill was read a second time, and thc
House adjourned.

lIOUSP OF COMMONS,
11111)AV,

The SPEAF;EII acquainted the 11ottsc that he
had received a letter from the Marquis of Wellii.t;-
ton, dared Frenada, 22d
,Marrh, 1813, the con-
tents ofwhieh•were expre:,;Five of the gratitude
felt' by huuscliandthe troops under his command,
forth, e Thanks . of House communicated bY C,e
Speaker's letter.
• A -new Writ was ordered for the Borough. of
Orford, in the riioni of Mr. MacTTlitini, who,
since his election, ios accepted of the oitice of °tic
of the Lords of the TrV:44lll.y.
Mr. W. FITZGLRALP. rvioDzed B. "56.."
of, the charge of theltornati d,.trllulxc Seminary in
Irehtii 1.
. .
The Life Annuity Bill Amity ordered to go •
t. t 1 1e whole Lionse an the
titrough Comm‘ko..e ,
28th inst. -
The; nrms Exportation Bill went through 4.
Connuittee .01 the whOle House: Report to-
wort.° vit •

Trade Bill went throngh a 'Corn,-
Tnittee, the ,report of which sr is rcceived, and
agreed to, and the Bill ordered to lie read a-third.
time to-morrow.

The Srosch Creditors' Bill went throngvh rt.
Committ,:e of the whole Holm. Report to-
morrow.

Mr. R. R'4CKkRDS took the oaths and his seat
far \Vottou sitts,et.

Mr. Sheritl 13LADF.5 presented a Petition f'botn.
tip! Lord Aluvor 4.ldertnen and. Contraou
J .)

manda.
WiilTl3ae4t) said the Nidde Lord had de-
scribed as regulations what; in .Itoint.- of fact, were
qiiiktiations. The 6000 ur.nt employed in Spain
might undoubtedly besd ennitlerable service, and
it tvas certainly a gent amendment that tbemoney
was to bt; so applied winch used to be gvanted so
lousily. . 1k wished to know' of the Noble Lord,
IvitetherthOse regulation; which 111(1 been adopted
the suggestion of till :British iovernment, were
l elly coy produce those political advantages to
the penple of Sicily anti to thii country, which
, bad :beet' held out. as that which inight.be
cx-
pccted
Lord .:I,ASI7I.I:VM.A.CiI! 'ol.lsC6'ea , it' Mrai `aye ry
great question ,which had been put to him,
lion.
tfielitL111:111 was aware that the basis of a-
t::on4itittlrfirtind 'been laid (*.own very different

LONDON Pr
At the Stitt Oki,

fronit tit .Lt,: which was fOrnierly tbe 'Constioatiolt.
of Sicil This was in- progress of discussion,
but .tty St not Yet tinols completed. Was san-
goii, cibto to hope great' advantages from it.
Ile tru.ted it would prove beneficial to tire Sici-
litMS fe.:(lth* posterity, and secure their attach-
ment to this country. The lion. Gentleman was
awarc this country had never attempted to exer-
cise well a controttking power in Sicily, as would
be inconsistent with the independence Of its Go-.
vernment. It had been the endeavour or Mini-'
sters to unite the feelings of the people, and em-
bark their! whole mcans.of defence in the com-
mon cause.
Mr. WIIITIIIREAD said, if the Constitution were
a gdod one, it w'ould be most satisfactory to find
tiatt it benelitted the people of Sicily. If it were
fdt to do this, we should have in Sicily an Ally
very different from. what she had hitherto been, as
till npw there had always been a very considerable
party against England.
'rise motion was agreed to.

I.4USU }IISCELLANEOITS SERVICS.

Mr. W. FITZO44II/iLD hoped the Resolution he
was about to submit to the Committee, would not
experience much opposition. He regretted the ith-
sense of a Rt. Hon. Burt. (Sir J.Newportl,whose
industry and attention he could not but admire,
however lit might differ from him in the view he
tool of maoy subjects which came beforethe
house. On his •acoonnt he could have wished to
po4timue the Resolutions, if 'they could
.conve-
niently have been postponed till after the adjourn-
tnent. The first resolution lie should propose' was,
the grout of a sum not exceeding 32,963/. Is.
Irish currency to defray the expellees of the Board
of Palle Works for the year 1813. On this es-
timate it would be seen there was an excess of
2,436/. over, the vote of !eat iyear, This was oc-
casioned by important works, which had been
long delayed only on account of• the neceS.,
sity which had existed for waiting • till 'others
were completed. One of these was the widen-
ing of the passage to the Castle Yard. This
was necessary, as there was hardly sufficient
room for two carriages to .pass, and therefore
not a fit avenue to the residence of.the.Lord Lieu-
tenant. In the last year a sum lied been expends
ed fullyequal to that, now culled for. Those with
whom the Inisiness of twinging the estimates for-
warkt this year, had thougirt it best to come at
once to the House for the sum required for the
year. He then moved his Reselution for a grant
of 32,968/. IS., Irish currency, .to the Board of
Public Works in Ireland for the present year.
Mr. WYNN.; said, he did not mean to object to
this grant, but he wished to state, that. in the pre-
sent situation of thecountr, no expense that was
not absolutely necessaryand'eonld not be deferred
should he incurred, and' he entertained some doubt'
whether this grant was of that description.
Mr. PEEWCOlleUrred with Mr. Wynne in the
general proposition which he, had laid down, but
coniendzd that the alterations which it was now
proposed to Make at the Castle , were absoletely
necessary, not for purposes of ormunent, but ,for.
the sefety, of thepassengers. The opinion of the
Architeet had been takenoind he hod declared the
bridge, from the terrace, was in an unsafe suite.
After a few' words froni Mr. Wynne and Mr.
Books the resolution was agreed to.
56223,943 odd, expenses 'of the Secretary of
State's Office, w 4.3 Voted e,ithout opposition.
Upon the next vote 10,500.1. for aavertisements,
Prdelemations, &c. • : • .
Sir IL PARNELL opposed the- grant, as tending
to give Government an undue influence over the
press of Irelisnds . .
Mr. W. Freztseststo rebutted this charge, end
(xplained the circerestances Which rendered the
expenditure necessary to the country. _
'Air: ti ttitTDREAD was against the vote, as totally
unnecee.ery, • . . .
' Mr. Psete Said,- he bad no objection to take
upon himsrif ell the rspinisib;lity respecting the
disposal Of i.:,- money that belonged."to his official,
siteeti m. 'toe lion. Baronet
.(Sir li, Parnell)
was (i npliaely mistaken if he suppesed that any
Olt of (Li, stern : Avss' laid out •to infiaeece 1,»-ipera
that.wsre Lostle to the datholies, for some of the
papers tint ‘, ere the warmest advocates, of
the Catholes bud their' full 'share of ' these
- proelareetions. Sonic Papers certainly had not
these advert isements,, but he believed they were
not withheld . from any Paper., the Proprietor
Or Editor of which, had not been convicted of 4
• libel. The sum now called fur was 10,500 L and
the expenditure would be confined within that
. sum, as it was last year. In former years though
the sum granted was the - same, yet the
. expenditure 'was greater, and in 1806 and 1807
when•the honourable Baronet opposite (Sir 11.
Parnell) and a Right lion. Baronet were in office,
the stun expended wits between 17 and 15,0001. each
year. ,The • money paid for the insertion of these-
Proclamations was paid upon a certificete of the.
insertion, and everyone at all acquainted with till:
state of Irela*tnew that it, was necessary to give
publieitytio ...e ProelemationS ill this manner.-s-
-'...Ns to the plait proposed, of increasing the circula-
' lion of the Dublin Gazette,
,he ;was sure that it
would be found .much more expensiye than the
mode now, adopted.
Mr. 113AwKRs saw no ground for opposing the
grant, and --thought it unfair to describe the ap-
plication of this sum as any interference with the
press on the part of Government.' A desultory
conversation ensiled, in whia Ar. Whitbi.e,id,
Mr. ' Bankes, Mr. 'W. 'Fitzgerald, Mr. Tierney ,
Mr.' Croke' s, Mr. Rose, and Mr. PoesinthY, parti-
cipated. 't he Resolutitm was then agreed ta.
Several other Resolittions for 501113, the amount
of wioicis we could not bear, were agreed to. • •