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frE‘;TION.

Lord BoatNonON presented a Petition from the
lUayfr,s Commonalty, and Burgesses of the
rough of Lixetcr,
.against tt continuance of the
exclusive privileges of. the East India Company,
His Loi:lship took oreasion briefly to remark,.
that his own wishes concurred- in the general ex-
presaions of_the :Petitioners ; and that few towns,
could boast of works of greater public utility
than thos'entid,ertaken by its inhabitants,
•rhc Nisble Lord presented another ..Petition
from. the Mere hints, Tra:lns, an j other fulia7.
bitants of the said Town anti Port, to the same
e ea.

These documents being read, were 3eVerally
ordered to iie on tile table,

STII4:NDIARY CIJAATES7Bitt„

On the Occasion 'of the second reading of this
Bahia short conversation' took place between: the
Bishop, of London, and the Noble Intrip,lticer of
the measure, the Earl o' liarrOwby, on which,
logth o:4;ir Lordships expressed themselves in;a
eery low ,tone of voice. We understood the
Prelate to Say, that a rt7ular and convenient op
pOrtimity ought to' be utiorded for fully consider-
ing the principle • of: the' Bill, Which he regarded
us one of considerable importance, and tending
to introduce Material alterations in .the present
Constituthin' of the ChUrch. The Noble Elrl
professed his willingness to have the principle of
the Bill, tir • well as the detail s of the measure,
ftitty, and .deliberately cliscus!ied in Parliament : he
adverted to some, comparatively tlight, 'altera-
tions in the preSent thur xv.ich was be-
fore the House last- Session, and obierved, that
their Lord;hipS would be' better 11,1;14e to form a'
,judgment of its ,merits, when the Bill should
come before them amended froMthe Committee.'
Lord 11oLLAND was of opinion, the -measure
'was one that, called' for a full and deliberate
eusijon, ill principle as well its in detail. He
therefore thought, that With respect Co- such a,
consideration; sufficient notiee shouid he given, so
us ti mance an adequate attendance. - •

The 13ill *as- then.rFad a Seco.,d time, and or--
dered to be committed.' ,
It was ordercd, on the motion of Lord Wait.
`singhani.) that the Report of the Committee of
Piivileges, respecting the Banbury Peerager
should be taken into consideration on Monday.
The remaining Bilis upon the table being re-
spectively forwarded, ale House adjourned till to-
morroW ; when their Lordships stand summoned"
on Lord Wellesley's mution respecting the late
Campaign in Spain.

HOUSE, OF COMMONS,
THURSD/4Y, MARCH 11.

GRAMPOL7ND ELECTIOg

The names of the Committee appointed to try
the Prampound Election, are ns follows :

Sir &Am C9tterell
W. la. Hase
J. Mai ebb•citk
G. Campbell
Lord Dilfrerin
J. I.littvrwartit.
W. Tlibrnton
IS H. DAvls brought up a Petition from 13tis-
.

Lori! Lova-lug
W. E. Luelihart
C. y. aiwthora
P. Lloyd
J. P. tratlkorn
M. Russell.

tilt in India, hitty

praying that slips
be regiat:re.i. in Briiisb purt6.
ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. MOURE brought iit a Bill for.the
of a Wet Dotl in the -County of ;%liddle..3.
The Thanks of the fionte were give. to th,,i
Rev. I. Ireland; D. D. fur a Sermon . by
him before this Honse•Un *Wednesday twit:
Mr. ,losEtin PITT brought in itBill'o• repeaLibd
17th of the King, and for regulating' the Giant
of Lice Annuities. •
Mr. Alderman ATKrzs bro4ht thc• Beport
of the Weymouth and Mcleoinhe Regis. Coat-
mittee.

.1( .ca:; r

Daniel Luce, forgross prevarication bet ore the
Coiuinitec, was brought- to the' Bar-, and t!'.o
81,14tc.Ett addressed 14w nearly in the following

terms
" Daniel Luce, by the Committee appOinted by
this 114 use to inquire...into the Weyinoi:Cri
Meleombe. Regis Election,k it, is Teßlracd,
you, having been culled before them as a swicm.s.s,
were guilty Of gross and wilful prevari-caion
that you again, on ia subsequent day, per ,istc,t,
in similar yeyarieation
.; and . that for this aggru-
uteri conduce you were finally cominitted tA.)
11:fajesty's gaol of Newgate. Upon your exam:ni,..-
tion, it appears, that having 'been interrogated
to facts, which must necessarily have been viithn;
your linowredge; that having been assisted in
your recollection by the interval-of a day's con-
finement, and by repeated warnings given by the
CommittO, you nevertheless thought rA to preva-, ,
ricate before them, in the ;.:-ice tifGod. and yol.tr:
country, for th;.. crimimd purpose of defeatin4,the
ends ofjustice. 'justice, hovVever,Aias. been cibr
twined by other nteens, and ytm have been left to,
shame and disappointment. At length, by the re-
pentance expressed in youir Petition, tire 'iTiortv.t:
!rave been induced to consent to your relcase.----
l'lOn may therefore return to your townsmen and:
emplOyees, exhibiting,'in yourself, '. useful
intim) that witnesses attempting, before rt Com
mittee of this House, to defeat, by calumny and
arOntery, the. ends- of justice, cannot ,t,l•ree.a
themselves -from jnst punishment and lisiftilcc..
Xou are accordingly discharged upon paying yca
fees.
The names of the ,Corzynittec appointed to try
the Derby Election are as follow
14;144rtriltua
A. J.Tost,r
G. A. Robinson
J. Hart
,G. Ford
_ J. Drunvuoud
V;,.e

Sil C.. Mnrtlannt
P. Mklnt's
W. 11. it. Douglas
R. J. Mansell
R. Holmes
IL I:lnes
Wrutlesly.

on the motion of Mr. PEELS, a Committee
appointed to inquire into the Etae of the inland
Navigation in Ireland.
Lord CocnitANT.moved for certain papert rela—
tive.tothe state of the .Greenwich Ai
nisi) for the nuMber of persons admitted Ks In AO'
Oat Pensioners since ISO,O, He had heard, he
s;;(1,- that, it wits intended to apply a petrt of these
tund to the servircespf the corr:mt vent.. •
The Cit aNcgLLott of the Eton Euurtt (Hid timed
any such intention.
Lord Coctitt.tx complained, that'there.wav no
limited, period. to the set-vice of seatnip ; ine:l-
- ih.wnich they were obli .21
to pay &ts much for their discharge as would
sufficient to procure from a.life insurance an an-
mini sum egzial to the pettsion received t'ici,a , the,
hospital, It. Was his inte,qion to bring in • a
Bill for the purpose,of linticing the service
seamen.,
The. CIiANCEI.I.OIt of the. Excupaunn ex.
pl tined.
Mr.,.l,tosE stud, that the stints paid for tiischaive
did not go to the funds at the Hospital. ,It NVA'i,
in opinion, ns Mlininistercd as it could 1)e,
Lord A'. ITAieli.Tobt approved of the motion of•
.his Noble Friend.
• The previoul question having been moved :by
the Cli,lllcftLon'uf the .gXClitAlrgß, the motion
Of the Noble Lord. Was lost. • •

COPY-11/(lHr OF
Mr. (3.t00y; called the attention of the House
to this subject, To secure to anranthor the be'-
netit of the copy-right-of any work, it was ne-
cessary for it to 'be entered-at Stationers' flan,
and that done, he was obliged, to supply certain
Copies to the Universities. It had ihten.ondert,
stood that it .was at the option of an author to
secure the copy-right oP 'his work, by entering it
at Stationers' AO, and depositing certain copies '
of it iii the public libraries, or not enter:it, .and
withhold copies of it from the Utiiverities, at I
risk of losing the .Copy-right, latterly, however,
is vas held_, that he was bound to give conies of.
his Iworlt to the iiuhlie libraries, if be did not en-
ter it at Stationers' Ball. Against this the book,'
sellers. had petitioned .the They -wizihed
the law on this subject tobe revised,- and
the parts infecting them, in the matmee
would be repealed.- The law a, it stood
that die copies deposited at the UttiVelsitie'i 1.,t1t.,,,t1 I
be printed on- the very Lest paper.usmid- by the •
boulesehers. The Petition-ell on this point eon,"
plainvd, that some persOns chose to have
nooks printed in• the most splendid- manner, and
the law in such cases exposed then) to a very eon-
sideiable expense. From this .they prayed t•
relieved, as copies' printed in a ics.i
manner would answer every possible ••:
well. They also conipl.iined, that if,second
-tions were published,containinA additio.,s e, e,::.,
inall, they. were obliged to sendsrew
the whole work. Praying to. be roileved frYll
this, they suggested that every purpose
he answered, by. printing and siemling the
ditious 'made to time work, Separatmo from ti e
work.' Some works, the. tionourahle teht:.-
inkm represented, were very cKpe!is.ive; from
the prints' they ' contained, and tit these it
sometimes happened, that yery ,0,--ere •
sold, and in such cases the operation of thi,;
was heavily felt. This be instanced in the case 6t.
a Learned Friend of his, who tinfortanately
science 'died very young--!Doctor
whose work :of the Flora' of .Greece,
than 35 copies Were sold in all Europe. lie
eluded by moving, that a Committee of 21 he tip-
. pointed to take into consideration the laws atio.et-
mg the copy-lighes- of authors, to report to titv
Hotise their opinion thereon, and Ishe,tiika-
any, unit what alterations ought to'he made.
Mr. G, Ross thought. a naeasare. mjght, be d'-

vised, would secure a supply of books fos
the Universities, without, pressing- heavy'on the
Ptis,,,sto-s. therefore, heartily concurred in.
the motion.. . .
Mr, C. W. WYNNE cordially approved pf the
motion, and thought the Nw orrthesabject ought
to-be:taken •itito consideration. He wished its
&fleet to be offi'se:ted in a way that,-would..encont-
rage literatttre, and thought it would be won't°
*lye Some public aidto the•libraries, by granting
a sum annually for the purehaSe'of.. new workss—
, •He thought works sent to the Universities ought
not again. tis'be thrown on the pUblie market,
to coiner irt-•••competition,with • the. copies regu-
' -holy exposed, to sale. . in justice this ought to he
' prevented.
Lord' 'lcslffsturt.ToN described that comph:lined
of as inerely ltas'ing the effect of causing a small
additional charge to Ilse made ,on each hook, and
and thought on. this • account,"t e Universities
ought not to be deprived of their rights. ,
Mr. SMITII (01: Cambridge) thought the law,ail
it at present stood, if it taxed literattneon the onehand,
hands gave it, encouragement on the other. The.
question WA S one in which booksellers ,were inte-
rested, and not authors '.n tax the existing
laws'imposed on the booksellers in this way, was
so trifling, that he ti-ionght the additional charge it
must put on any book, would not cause it to'have
one purchaser less than it would have under other
circumstanCes. He'-however thought some altera-
tions in the existing laws might be ionic with ad-
vantage. The term of the authdf's copy-right
he wished to enlarge, and thought did Act of the
42d of the sing ought to be revised.
Mr. Ciustsr was satisfied the Learned Bodies
were not actuated by' any mean or interested
motive ; and thought thesnatter might be so ars
sinnged as to give satisfaction to all parties.
Sir'S. Ilostissv'explained the statute Of Queen
• Anne, as not conferring; a benefit on Authors, by
givingthent the advantage of a,eopy-right. He
conceived ft, iiteffeet, confined th benefit arising
out•of the right (before established) to the period
of fourteen years, from the first publication of
any
.work, allowing -.fourteen yeut;s snore if,
at the expiration of the first fourteen years
the Author was 110( alive. The law, as it
at present stood,' it a tin: upon literature,
known In no other country. The question was
not asliall;been stated by the last Speaker but
one—a qnesthin in which the Booksellers 'and not
the Authors were interested. The Bookseller was
only interested in eases where he had purchased
the Anthor"s copy-right ; all others, the guess
funt ;affected the Author and no the Bookseller.
The law its limiting 'the duration of the Author's
Copy-right, caused considerahts hardships'. if an
Atithor died hut one thy before the tone teen vears
. expired, his busily were denied the benefit aris.
frig front au exclusive claim to Ins labours. Tblis
tin Author mitst frequentfy)O"se the-prOthieicif his
best: works':' llis snore jvivie pl:6dUctions, which
,wrote.while young,, 'were' those liorit which, be
'MOO likely to' deriVe the greatest benefits-4
Those written
.at a more advanced Period Of life,
• ivitet'i.his jadginents was more matt-wad, ,were more
liltiuly, to enrich7the families of others, as he had
less, chance of the benefit of an exclusive claim to
the copy-right for 28 years.
The queStion Was put, the mot ion carried, and
a Committee forthwith appointed. , The following
names Were ou the Committee,
Mr. D. Giddy Mr. J. Ward
Sir W. gcott 'Lord A. liamilton
Lord Palmerston :Li. Advocate of Scotland
Mr." W. Dundas 'Mr. Dailmrst
Mr. Plunkett
Mr.. Finlay Mr. C. W. Winne
Mr. G. Rose • .Mr. Horne.
Mr. Long
Mr. thulium. wished to offer some. explanation
on a subject which had been touched on by the
Noble Lord who was not then in his place (Lord
• Cochrane), and on which he ,Was misiiiformed.
He then went on to state, that the cause of ittb-.
stitutes' being 'nodded by the Admiralty Was to.
save the gross impositiOns and frauds. to. which
theyltad been exposed. These had induced the,
Admiralty to interfere,' and provide thent
substitutes at an expellee comparatively small to
what they had formerly been obliged to pay. The
facts .to which the Noble Lord had alluded, lie
Could state 'to he altogether unfounded.. •
Mr. Wutratitts.o regretted the absence of the
'Noble Lord, hut he had Ontleettood hint to
speak of invalided seamen, anti not., of able ho.`
• died Men. ,
Mr. CROKE:If said, there were two ways of hi-
seamen, dist one when they were inva-
lided
„altogether, the other, when from various
circumstances they were merely invalided for har-
lour ditty. lit the latter case it. was enstoinury
:to r,clease, them 'for a sum which was regulated
according to their supposed ability.. .
Mr.-WoissinEAD understood the iodiyiduals ad-
verted to were not invalided for harbour duty.
The conversation dropped here, Mr. Grolier
tarink,.as we.understoodss intimated an intention
f•nOutiolting the subject to the Noble. Lord.
z 1,011.6 CIifANCE'. ILOWS
Mr. A.. TsssLos, bringing tot Ward that'
• 'Which. tic was about to submit to the Ifouse, did
not mean to go over with :.had • been urged on
fOrraer debates. was 'content to' rest on the
arginnents-wlOch had :been previously nsed, with-
•out'repeating"them. He greatly disapproved of
the Vice-Chaticellor's Bill. if' it were cart isti, the
inconveniences. itswould .cause, would be -ersrely
felt by the country it 'wduld throw
.tt
pollee till,the SttittiE3 j 'it WOlll4 uo relleVe the ap-
- pellantjurisdictitin, and, in no shape would it an-
wet- the purpose 'fat..,:which ichatl-heekframed.
IsiesprOceeded to eniitsge tt considerable length On : r
-the various objections which he entertained
tie objeetetkolt,,uot becauseit•was intended to
relieve the,,Cinincellor,' but because it did not go
far enclugis to assist: hint';' anti :because it hams
tinced:tistist sf taigas' and struck at the whole Con-
- ititittion that teftlrt: Be-believed a better Judge
ntotte-Skitt in It'Cnitrrrit than, the ;present
Chanttellor tut -he' thought the, increase of
bitsfsMos stss--0;1mt; that htsought to .•ltatvt''assis't
'attce;C lies riltiered,,,from those who" -tlvinight ali
atliatmat%regalrett"-was• a temporal 'remedy. a
aught-not to thiok of scOntintly.
,/flinch art art.:lngerbient: could •be inatle,,, that the
sufttircould have Cause .at once. di6po6ed of,

it Ought tote made, mkt what it wottl,l. Now with
re,pect to the plaa he had h tined, 'it was well
known, that jurisdiction in. matters" of batik-
roptcy, formed no part of the office of Lord Chan-
cellor. Up to the titne of Henry VIH. its juris-
diction. in matters of ba'nkruptcy, was ekerciscd
by a variety of, persons, and it was not till the
Statute of the 13th-of Elizabeth, that the Lord
Chancellor had any thing to do with banktitiptey
business At all. Mudd it not thus be better to take
Twin the office of Lord Chancellor that which had
been suptaadded to it, than to make the arrange-.
ment'proposed to be made 'by tbe Vice-Chan-
celloes. Bill ? The principal o'bjectious he had
heard - (or read) • to the plan he re,!onnended,
were these, '' that the LordiChancellor ought to
sit as Chief .Ladge in matters of' haokrup:.-eyfronm
his talent ; that if the bainkruptey business were
separated front the office of Lord Chancellor',
other seal would be. required, and that it would
givenoTelief to the ford Chancellor, as the time
given' to time bankruptcy business did not 'interfere
with his other duties.' TO the first- of these
answered, that, admitting as be did, that the
Lord Chancellor must be a man of talent, and
that a man of talent ought to preside over the
bankruptcy business, he was of opinion, that for,
a suitable reward ancither Mao of. talent 'might he
found to dispose of bankruptcy matters. To
the second he repl'ed, that they were not spell-
bound to one seal ; and to the -third, that if the
bankruptcy business were taken off the Lord Chan-
cellor's hands, be would have pore time in which
he could dispose of aopeal causes. The course he
should pursue would. be, to move that they should
resolve theinselves into a Comthittee of the whole.
House,. to take. into consicleNation the 13th of
Elizabeth, •The arrangement he proposed was
one ensy.to be 'carried into effect. jt would only
be necessary to substitute-,the name of tie,Chief
CoMmitssioner for.. the time hying, for that of the
Lord Chancellor. • All. het wkhed• for was ao ef-
ficacious:remedy to the existiogeVil,,and the:Viet:
(hancellor's Bill, he contended, ,Would oat sup-1
ply an efficacious remedy, and in four 6v five
years' their attention wrath! again In called to the
snbJect, and-they would be obliged to adopt, some
other plan: He concluded by inoviog—

" That the House should resolve it,elf into. at ounnittee" of
the whole House,. to take into consideration buoli [inns atilt.
lath nig. cap. 7ti!, and other subselpicat mantes, as•givil
jurisdiction in matters of Baiskruptey to the, Lord nigh
Chancellor of England!'

Mr. LEAcit compthnented the last speaker ,on
the great attention he hal paid to this 'Subject, but
could nGt mien): in his motion. TilMithin the
few years last past, the liankrliptey business had
been disposed cif, by giving to it four or five days
at ther,end of -each term. The great increase of
bankruptcy buginess of late years, through unsuc-
cesMul speculatiOhs antfeomtnercial di“ress, had
. !Thule it necessary to give it mote time. Taking '
theuveragc cif bankruptey business, however, to'
what if bud'been found' within the'last few years,
how would ,the case Stand ? in the last year the
number of orders glade out was six hunched. and
toter. ')t these, three hundred and ninety-six,
were made in August, and in fourteen days. '1 he
Lord tilancellor, however, en ten of these d4ys
.sat in the morning, and again in the evening.—
Tah nig this into account, and allowing telidays
to be added to it, for those days on which the Lord
Chancellor sat twice, it would make the number
twenty-four. It wouldthen he seen-, that in twenty-
lour days, two-thirds of this husines had been dis-
posed.of; 'and henee it followed, that thirty-Six
ivould snllicae to.. go through wit'`. the whole. Tak-'
ing the average of the four last years, it• might
be , assumed, 'that. Parliament 'usnally sat six
mouths in' the year. lie to heard Appeal
Cansts three tiines'a week at the llouse of Lords
during tile Session. Supposing him to be thus'
beetipied /2 days in-the Six months, how would
be be enabled to subdue the arrear, now; standing
by separating the bankruptcy busittess• from leis
()ace ? flow could taking front him the ditty of
3t detys remedy that evil which called foe
fie had it third reason against the motion, whichwas; that thesludge entrusted With'this important
jurisdiction, ought, to,he well acquainted with the,
general analogies in equity, and not a person cart
fined to a particular part of the practice. •
Mr; MikayAvr, as, a practical comincreiaLman,
gave the motion his support. He noticed the •
ditlictilty that •existed of, provingdebts tinder Com-
missioners of ilankruptcy owing to the number of
meetings fixed on one'day—of the losses sustained
front the failure of Assignees or Bankers.--7and of
the delays that often occurred in Inlaying theeanses
of Chancery, all of which evils he thonght would
be remedied by separating the batikolpt jurisdic-
tion from the offiCe of Lord Chtmepllor.

Mr. ABERCROMitg opposed them:o6on, on the
ground of the insufficiency of inforwatiO4, pos-
sessed by !he llonse to enable them to' form it
judgment on the subject,
Mr. CANNING t.:)01i Ole .same ground, I.t wos
gaite enough if they thought the remedy propos-
ed by the Lords, for an evil felt by them, excep-
tionable, to reject it, and hatl businesS to pyo-
a substitute. Ile approved of the separation
of the Bankrupt jurisdiction from the'olliCe ref
Lord.Chaneellor, and thought this s'elieme pre-
ferable to the creation ora new °dicer for his re-
lief. Ile objected sconewhat to the modO. in which
the gne!4tion was before them.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said he would not.press the
question toil
Lord CASTLEREAGH disapproved of the mode in
which•the'llon. Gentleman had brought his plan
into discussion, and argued, that •it ,would, if
adopted,. be not only expensiee.rbut afford no re-
lief to the Lord ChaueOlor.

PONsONBY thought the proptnition beau
than the BM, but as the Hon. Gentleman did not
intend to press it, ht.; would`not occupy the time
of the House in discussing it.

Sir 8. IlokiLLY also spuke favourably of the
motion, though he did not think it was presented
to them in the fittest Manner. He then entered
at some *length into tin:Vice-Ch'aneclinr's Bill
against every part he warnily rirotested, and em-
ployed all the argnments which have been .so ably
pr'essed on former stages -of the Bill.
After'a fear words in explanation from Lord.
Castlereagh and Air. Taylor, the iittest,ion vvas
negatived without a division.

i f!`. I .INC
Lbrd CLsTr,Ettl.AGn tnovtfo thnOttler of tile
for, llird reading of this Withoia.
cimstano the (iailcry was immviiiatcly 'cle,treti 'for u
.I:he numbers tfCIC,
For it
Ag:iinst it

I‘l;toritt,
'.rhe INISC thy:idea uptn Air . Cuunitig' Aatml-
mcnt—

For the Athentlment,.. i .... 114
In favour of: the. ilia. ........ 14u

Majority fur tile M
The Bill was then read• third time, and
The Irish Butter Bill was react a third time and
passed.

.
ti:g. Anpeal'Cause, " the hank of .Scotland
Waton," the Attorney-General was heard in
elnlinnation, and at great length, aS kading
Counsel tar the Respondent. The further hear-
ing, was fixed for Monday.
Adjourned,at Half-past Twelve .

LAW REVORI.

COURT OF CHANCEL 6;

Mr. HART applied to the LORD.-CIaANCPT.T.OIt,
on the part of Mt. Water's,i for an "itijanuzion
against Mr. Taylor, to restrain' or his door--'
-keepers , from receiving '.moncy for admission to
the' Opera-hon'se. A treasurer (Mr. Harrison)
had been appointed, pursuant ,to his Lordship's,
order, but in respite of that appointment Mr.
Taylcr . confirmed to receive, the admission
money. /.
411r.,LE.I.etr; and Mr. RICHARDS appeared on the.
part of r. 'Taylor, and maintained that it was
absolutely necessary that Mr. T. should do as he
had' done ; for that otherwise the 'performers
would not receive their ' salaries, and
under such circuinstances' they- would cease 'to
perform, and the. concern must then be:stopped
altogether.

TIIO LORI) CHAN'tIELLon \desired to have the ap-
pointment of' Mr. Harrison! handed to him and
he should I...ning look over the order tir,,A.cri
which that appointruchthad been -made.- It he
found,that Mr. Titylor had heeh improperly inter-
fering.
,with the arrangements •of the .Court,
should act with him as he. would 4.40 iii -the in-
stanciol any other individuJ procceding,with-
out r:.'s'peck, to consequences, forhe should not re-
flect for a moment whether anyfurther.prOceeding
of the Court would have the effect ot. stopping
the conce,rn; He-rated nothing about that. Dv
should mention case again ,to-riiorrow morn—
ing. ' : ,

HIGH ATP:It .IT'LtYNt..)()
-Ato: ntintttes,after't