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NAVAL AND NIILITARY LIFE ASSURANCE.
5, Waterloo. place, and 70, Cornhill.

TO render NAVAL and MILITARY
AIEN independent of the casualties which may re-
sult from change of service, non-piyment of Premiums.
and other eircutnstinces not within their own conti,td,
die Directors of the ASYLUM have collected materials or
the most pc feet character, trom which they have ascer-
tained the rates which ought to be pal for Policies to
cover all the risks to which the officer may be exposed in
the performance of his professional duties.
To those who do not immediately contemplate service
on f,reign stations, two pine ot per cent. per annum, in
addition to the ordinary life premium, which is the lowest
in England. will be chaiged for a policy coverine all parts
of the world, and all services in which the officer may
then-after he employed in the British army or navy.
Ofh,ers under orders for foreign stations at the time
they effect insurance, will be chaNed the proper rate for
that particular st.tion, and may be covered against all
future change, by payo.ent of au extra tit:4,2 guinea per cent.
per annum. .

• In either of the•e cases the officer may at any time dis-
continue the extra premium, and hold his policy on the
footing of an ordinary European insurance.
To facilitate, as much as possible, the adoption of so de-
• able a system of insurance, the Directors will allow one-
third of the annual premium to remain unpaid, to be de-
ducted with interest, at the rate of four per cent. per an-
num, from the sum assured, the officer having the privi-
lege of paying at any time such arrears and interest, and
thence'orth standing assured for the full sum originally set
forth in the policy.
DOMESTIC INSURANCE.

The rates of the Asylum Company, whether for a term
or for the whole of life, are the lowest ever published, and
one-third of the Premiums may be left unpaid, to he de-
ducted with interest from the sum assured, or parties may
begin at a very low rate and pay on an ascending scale.
The Asylum is a proprietory body, supported by a sub-
scribed capital of 240,0001. in 2,000 shares of 1201. each.
in addition to the premium fund.

A Committee of Directors, attended by a Medical Officer,
sit at the Company's house in Waterloo- place, every day,
(except Wednesday,) at Tt ree o'clock, to grant insurances,
in cases in which speed is an object. A full Board of
Directors meet at 70, Cornhill, every Wednesday, at the
same hour, and the Resident Director is in daily attendance,
with a Me,lical Officer, at the latter place, :o grant facili-
ties to persons in the City.
GEORGE FARREN, Resident Director.

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Members in sickness, old age, and burial, and fAr survivors
at death. By order of the Trustees,
THOS. HASLER, Secretary,
71, Leadenhall-street, City.
Full size mahogany four- Servants' chest of
post bedstead £3 15 0: drawers
.V 2 2 0
Ditto tent bedstead 1 6 0 Mahogany Pembroke
Ditto with furniture '3 15 0 table
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to fit
Hair mattress to fit
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dust lO 10 0
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and bolster
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;
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Bed-room sofa bedstead, fioneer
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mattress to fit,with top 3 8 01, I btto ditto
French bedstead, ja- j Lady's work table, ma-
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panned
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Five feet mahogany four.
I Large winged wardrobes.
post and furniture 1
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fapanned book shelves 0
French draperies and I Rosewood ditto
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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Aucusr 17.
SETTLEMENT OF THE POOR BILL.
Mr. HEYWOOD nreientsd a petition from Blackburn,
against the Bill for altering the Law of Sett!emcnt•.
Lord OXMANTOWN presented several petitions from
Ballywyllan, Harristown, and other places in Ireland,
praying that the Tithe Composition Act 'night be ren-
dered more extensive.

PUBLIC WORKS IN IRELAND.
Sir JOHN BURKE presented two petitions from the
county of Galway, for the reduction of duty on glass. and
for the introduction of public works in Ireland. With
reference to the latter subject, the Hon. Baronet adverted
to the great advantages which Scotland had derived from
the introduction of public works into the Western Higlo
lands; and strongly recommended the adoption of a simil :r
system in Ireland.
SALE OF BEER BILL.
Mr. WILKS presented a petition from the mechanics,
agriculturists, retailers of beer, and working classes of
Boston, in Lincolnshire, praying that no alteration might
be made in the Sale of Beer Bill. The Hon. Gentleman
adverted to the beneficial results of the measure, and hoped
that the prayer of the petitioners would not be disregarded.
NB TREVOR, while he approved of the Bill generally,
thought that it was susceptible of considerable im-
provement.

Mr. O'CONNELL presented petitions from two parishes
in Ireland against the grant to the Kildare-street Society.
A'so a petition in favour of a system of poor laws in Ire-
land, from St. Michael's parish, Dublin. He hoped the
House would take this petition into its immediate consi-
deration, and he confessed himself an unwilling convert to
the necessity of introducing poor laws into Ireland. Al•o
a petition from certain milers in Dublin, and a petition
from the parish of Grange Gorman, praying for a repeal of
the legislative Union between Great Britain and Leland.
Mr. DUNDAIii presented a petition against the use of
molasses in distilleries from the corn-merchants of Leith

Mr. HUNT presented a petition from the parish of
Halifax, complaining of Lord John Russell's Reform Bill,
and praying for short Parliaments, universal suffrage,
via,. by hallo', and a repeal of the corn laws.

Mr. E. PEEL presented a petition limn the apprentices
of Newcastle-under-Line, complaining of the clauses in the
Bettina Bill which would deprive them of the elective
francise which they would otherwise enjoy.
Admiral ADAM presented a petition from Ross-shire
against the use of molasses in distilleries.

Sir W. RAE asked if the Lord Advocate had heard of
any intruded demonstration of physical force in Gla•gnw,
on the day of the Coronation, with the view, as had bee❑
stated in handbills, of awing the Upper House in their
proceeding, with r. pet•t to the Reform Bill.

- The LORD ADVOCATE said be understood that a
',tilers:alma was to take ;dace Glas,ow, hut nut for the
put pose stated by the Hon. and Learned Member. The
local authorities w.)uld take measures to prevent any
disturbance

Mr. HUME slid that there was no cause for alarm in
the present case.
Mr O'CONNELL asked whether it was the intention of
Governm nt to r-peal the Pipe-water (Dublin) Act?
Nil.. CRAMP rON replied that he was not aware that
Government entertained any such intention.
GREAT GRIQSBY ELECTION.
Sir G. CLERK saint, that since he addressed the House
yesterday, on the subject of tie del ly which hail occurred
in the return of the writ for the election of Members to
serve fur Great Grimsby; he had received a lett,r from the
Sheriff of Lincoln, which completely exculpated him num
all b!ame in the transaction, and showed that the dela s,
rested with the town-clerk of the borough. Under these
circumstances, he felt it necessary to MM., thl.t so much
of the order cf the House should be disch,rged as required
the attendance of the Shea' of Lincolnshire.

Toe motion was agreed to.
FOREIGN AFFAIRS.

Lord ALTIIORP moved the order of the day for the
House to resolve itself into a Committee of the whole
house on the Reform of P irliani nt (England) Bill.
The Marquis of CHANDOS said it was generally un-
derstood that the King 01 11,1gium had apphed by lett,r
to the French Government for assistance. F that wer•-
the case, our Government must be in possession of a cope
of a letter written by the King of Belgium, and he wished
to know whether there would be any objection to produce it.

Lord ALTHORP said that he could not consent to the
production of the document at the present moment.
Tr e Marquis of CIIANDOS then gave notice that on
Saturday he would move for a copy of the note.
Lord STORMONT—The Noble Secretary for Foreign
Affairs had informed the House, that the French troops
had proceeded to the assistance of King Leopold, in conse-
quence of the Dutch troops having broken the armistice.
The Noble Secretary hail also stated, that the French troops
would be withdrawn from Belgium as soon as the Dutch
troops should evacuate that country. lie begged to ask
the Noble Lord whether Government had received any offi-
cial information of the French troops being about to with-
draw, or intending to withdraw, front Belgium. if Go-
vernment had received such information, he wished to
know when the French troops intended to withdraw. it
the French troops intended to remain, he wished to know
whether they would remain as troops of the conference or
as troops of France ?
Lord ALTHORP said that the questions proposed by the
Noble Lord involved matter of the most serious importance;
ile therefore thought it prod nt to decline answering them.
Lord STORMONT—WouId the Noble Lord say whether
the French troops intended to withdraw front Belgium''—
(A laugh.)

Lord ALTHORP said that it was impossible for him
to answer as to the intention of the French troops.
Lord STORMONT said that he meant to ask whether
the Government had received any information as to the
intention of the French troops?
Lord ALTHORP said that he must decline answering
the question.

Loud STORAIONT said that he was ptiLctly satisfied
with that answer.

SLAVERY.
Mr. BURGE asked the Noble Under Secretary for the
Colonies, whether Government had taken proper measures
for the regulation and maintenance of the Crown slaves
who had been ettian.iivated in the West India islands.
Lord lIOWICK said, that Government hid not is.ued
orders for the emancipation of the Crown slaves until they
had taken all necessary precautions to guard against unfor
tunate consegto-aces. It was, however, gratifying to fin"
hat these precautions were unnecessary. Ile had received
a despatch from the Covet nor of AntLua, which state
that during the five months which had elapsed since do
emancipation of the Crown slaves, they had I e n occu'
Nip d industriously in providing for their own st p,iart, and
that althoukh their n umber was 371, no case uf ..rime Lad
occurred amongst them, nor were there any complaints of
poverty.
Mr. F3URGE expres3e,l 3. lope that the Noble 1-" d

Lord ALTHORP, in moving the 13th clause, said that
Ministers in considering this measure had felt considerablk
l'fficulty with respect to the vote which should be given to
reeholders whose freeholds were situated within the limi's
f cities or borough towns. It was necessary th tt
hey should have votes somewhere, and the question
vas, whether they should he allowk d to vote for Cie
,ity or the county. If they had decided in favook
of alowing, such individuals to vote fur cite?, then
knottier question would atise—namely, whether that
,ight should he exercised on the same principle as it
vas cxereiaed in counties, without any reverence to resi-
;core. If this were admitted, it would create a number
•if non rewdent 'voters. which was contrary to the princ'plk-
•if the Bill. that principle being to zive the right of voting
in boroughs only to individuals who were actually res,-
lent. The principle which had all along been main-
eained. and which Ministers wished to carry into effect,
w.is, to grant the right of voting in boroughs to inhald.
rant householders paying a certain amount of rent ; and
'hey were also anxious to distingu;sii bona fide freeholders
from those who were made for the purpose of assisting in
elections. Balancing the evils which appeared on both
:ides, and looking particularly to that which was con-
nected with non-residentship, Ministers conceived that,
on the whole, it would be better to give to freeholders
connected with the limits of boroughs, the right of voting
fur counties, instead of running the risk of allowing non-
residents to vote for boroughs. It was his intention, in
,kter to prevent fictitious votes hereafter, to propose (the
rights at present acquired by individuals being preserved)
that in future no annuitants should gain a vote for a less
sum than 101. a year. The system of thus creating votes
had not, generally speaking, prevailed much in England,
hut in some places there was no doubt that fictitious votes
were thus created. Within all boroughs the present right
of voting would be continued ; but he thought that, with
respect to freeholders in such boroughs, the rule of resi-
dence ought to he enforced. Having said thus much, he
would now propose the 15th clause.
It was then read from the Chair as follows ;
" And be it further enacted, that for the purpose of electing a
knight or knights of the shire to serve in any future Parliament,
the east riding of the county of York, the north riding of the
county of York, and the several counties enumerated in the se-
cond column of the schedule H to the Act annexed, shall respec-
tively include the several cities and towns, being counties of
themselves, mentioned in conjunction therewith, and named in
the first column of the said schedule If ; and that, for the like
purpose, the county of Gloucester shall include that part of
Bristol which is situate on the Gloucestershire side of the river
Avon 3 and the county of Somerset shall include that part of
Bristol which is situate on the Somersetahire side of the said
river Avon."

Sir C. WETHERELL said, there was here a great al-
teration in the principle of the Bill.
Lord ALT HOlll3 said no alteration had bet n made in
the clause. : he had proposed the clluse merely as it stood.
Hut, to mret certain objections, a separate clause, applying
to counties at I irge, to protect the rights of a particular
class of men, as the rights of beemen were protected,
would be introduced.

Colonel DAVIES expressed his intention to vote for the
rejection of this clause. In t .Ictng this course he did not
wish to throw any impediment in the way of the Bill. So
friendly was he to the measure, that he had hitherto almost
invariably and most cautiously abstained from taking any
part in those protracted debates to which it had given
rise ; hut if he could show that in many points the
Bill was in fficient as a remedial measure, and he could
point out different provisions in it which conflicted with
each other,—if he could prove that the machinery of the
Bill was defective, and could not operate well,—then
he thought his Noble Friend, if he wou:ii not agree
to the amendments which he wished to propose, ought
at least to adopt some amendments for the purpose of
making the Bill effectual. He regretted that Ministers
hid not, during the recess which was occasioned by the
late dissolution of Parliament, applied themselves more
aexieusly to the improvement of the Bill, and endeavoured
to remove from it those antenalies by which it was dis-
figured. He admitted th it there were many beneficial
provisions in the Bill, but they were mixed up with so
much "baser matter" as to be rendered comparatively
useless. His object was, first, to allow freeholde,s to
vate fur cities and horoug• s where the freeholds were
situated, for he wished to give to the smaller boroughs a
without going to the county ; and
Icy preventing those borough-voters from
inuffiti'lieenntexe(tinpsltalcre",en 1'
he was anxious to preserve the constitu-
ency of the county,
averwhelming t eta—(Hear,, hear)—as well as to hinder
'Le eiiont.ea from interii-riug with election, iOr boroughs
in the electoral districts. Though he did not mean to
enter into a discussion on the entice merits of the Bill,
still he shoul•! feel it necessary to advert to several clauses
for the right understanding or the question. By one of
t,e provisions of the Sill. freemen were allowed the right
'
of cation-, on condition that they lived within seven statute
of the place of election ; now it did appear to him
s
d fortiori, that the 101. householder ought also to be re_
tiie ed to a residence within seven miles of the place of
election. By the 25th clause, it was enacted, that in
order to send Members 'or any' borough to that house, it
was necessary that such boi °ugh should contain three
hundred houses, paying a yearly tent of 101., and
where there were nut three hundred housea of that annual
value, the Conunissi,ners were required " to iecorporate
or any part of which may be situate
with the city or borough any one or mere parishes or town-
Dips, the whole
within, or adj timing
at;res;ripiel:or:‘flr'e.evel ere only
Grinstead, such city or borough." Now, if
to,
He
they acted strictly in the case of householders, as well as
my instances where it would be impossible to get
f freemen, on the principle of residence, he coul.l point
out tw
lire, hundred 10/. houses within the compass of seven
miles, This was the case with the borough of East
forty-four houses rated at 10/. a year.
Grin-
stead, where it appeared from the paper, No. 6S, pare 10,
that
perfectly convinced that they. could nut get three
within seven miles of that place. A
similrneswould apply to Norrhallerton. In the
they must go twenty miles to make
case of East
The fact w is still more striking in
Wales.
up the requisite number of houses, and in that of North-
Ireton sixteen.
In Anglesea there were three hundred 101.
houses ; in Cardigan two hundred and sixty ; and in
Radnor one hundred and seven. To make up the neces
sary constituency, they would be obliged to go to all parts
at the different counties for voters, and what then became
of his Noble Friend's doctrine with respect to the evil of
non-residence ? So much for the smaller boroughs ; but
,then they came t, the larger boroughs, they would find
the difficu'ty
greater. The counties were to he
divided, and where the freehold borough constituency was
very large, that constituency must have a powerful eff-ct
in deciding county elections. Let the House look, for in-
stance, to Warwickshire. In Birmingham there were
nearly two thousand freeholders. Now it was quire clear
that such a constituency as that would return one Member
tor the county, in addition to the two Members for the
town,— a circumstance which he supposed the framers of
the Bill did not contemplate. With respect to clause 16,
which gave the right of voting for a Knight of the Shire
to airy person having a lease of sixty years, at the value
of 10/. annually, he conceived that it would operate pre-
judicially. Here might be a bona fide resident householder,
a farmer, %aim rented 500/. a year as tenant at will, being
outside of the boundary prescribed in this measure; that
:ndividual could not vote, while his neighbour, with 101.
I
t
Bill. t w. year, being within the boundary', possessed that privi
go. In this clause, and in clauses 2,1. and 25, some
this
eftt, u
rsw !rettis t.l,
'lteration ought to
which be made to remove the anomalies
y of ngconvinced Ile was
sas Said 1 ) the g ' of
thte. n tnl eeteneer-i
we t,e Bill
letthrrinthasake
were they
loppositie
amend `
i`en Cta li
it,
a let
quite sure of getting through the Bill this year? Was
;here not another assembly to which the Bill must be re-
ferred? Public tumour had stated that there were many
individuals in that assembly who were not favourable even
to th, principle of the Bill. If this were true, was it
worth while to semi up to them a Bill so defective that
they would be justified in rejecting it 7 Ile thought nor,l
and if a good Bill were seat up to them by a large majo-
rity of that linuse, he was sure that they would pause
for a long time before they threw out such a Bill Besides
it the Bill were to be passed now, and to be afterwards
amended, what became of its permanence, which was pot
forward by Ministers as one of its chief recommendation!?

Leer! ALTHORP fully concurred with his Hon. Friend
that it was their duty to send this Bill up to the other
fleuse of Parliement in as perfect and unobj e• ionable
shape as possible ; and he nerved, therefore, that it was of
be utmost importance that amendments ptoposed in tic
Bill should be fully discussed. It would be vain to say
'hat Government had not head in the discussions which
had hitherto taken plate, nitech that was very impot tent,
and that they had profited by. It., dewever, the oltjec-
*ions of his Hon. Friend to the. B Ii were as ettoetg and as
numerous 23 his Hon. Friend had declared them to he, it
was quite obvious that the amendments suegested by his
Hon. Friend would net remove those objections. He
would, however, proceed to notice some of the objections
of his Hon. Friend. Hie Hon. Friend's first objettion
regarded the enactments of the Bill wrth respect to resi-
thence. lii Hon. Friend complained that they were
depriving some who now possessed votes of their
franchise, on account of non-resilence, while at the
same time they conferred votes on householders
without making residence a qudification. But the
householder, the occupier of a house, must, under
the very words of the Act, he resident. The occupier of
a warehouse could nut alwaye be resident, but then he
would never be very far distant : and the reason of this
regulation was, that it had been found that, in large towns,
persuns of the greatest substance resided in villas in the
vicinity of the town. With regard to what his Hon.
Friend had said of the distance they would hare to go for
a constituency, he (Lord Althorn) was pretty well satis-
fied, from all the inquiries which had been made, that
there would not be many instances in which it would be
necessary to go so far as seven miles in order to get a full
constituency. This, the House would see, was different
from the distances over which the out-voting freemen were
now brought. If his Hon. Friend thought that the lis-
t ince of seven miles was either too far, or not far enough,
let his Hon. Friend bring forward his views on that sub-
ject, when the clause respectiug non• resident freemen came
under discussion. The Government had been convinced
that there must be some limit prescribed, in order to
guard against the evils which now resulted from the right
of voting which was at present vested in non-resident 1
freemen. His lion. Friend had said, that in many places
it would be difficult to get a constituency of 300. He
thought his lion. Friend was much mistaken upon this
point ; but it must be recollected, that the Bill did not
say that there must necessarily he that constituency. The
Bill only endeavoured to procure that constituency. The
great inconsistency, as his Honourable Friend called it,
of the Bill was, that by tl rowing the districts into the
boroughs. and the borough freeholders into the coun-
ties, it swamped the boroughs in the districts, and the
county freeholders in the borough freeholders. Hie
Hon. Friend, however, had not attempted to show how
these consequences would result from the Bill, and he
(Lord Althorp) could not perceive how it could possibly
' °duce any such results. His Hon. Friend wished to
get rid of this inconsistency, as be called it, by enacting
that the freeholders should vote at the election of the
Members for the county in which the borough was
situ tied. He thought, however, that it would be most
dangerous to admit the freeholders of boroughs to vote at
the election of the Members for the boroughs. By such
an arrangement they would enable any man who pos-
sessed large freehold property in a borough to convert
such borough into a nomination borough. If, too, the
constituency of some of the boroughs would be as small
under the Bill as his Hon. Friend had wished to make
out, then, if a man had freehold property in one of these
boroughs to the amount only of 3001. a year, and chose to
grant 40s. leases for lives, which would be freeholds, he
would obtain a command ever 150 votes, which, according
to his lion. Friend, would be the majority in some of the
boicneeits. • He thought the arrangements of the Bill much
mole desirable than the suggestions of his Hon. Friend.

S.r B. PEEL said ihat the Noble Lord, following the
Hon. and Gallant Gentleman, had gone into questions not
immediately before the Committee. The 15th clause,
which included towns that were counties of t emselvea in
the a -joining counties for county elections, was the subject
now belora the House, and to that he proposed to confine
himself. He must, however, in the first place, thank the
Noble Lord for his free, though somewhat tardy, acknow-
bailment, that the discussions which had been raised on
his (the Opposition) side of the House, had, instead of
producing unnecessary and useless delays, furnish d the
Ministers with or my important improvements in the Bill.
This candid and honourable acknowledgment of the Noble
Lord was his (Sir R Peel's) answer to Common-Council-
men and Political Unions, who threatened them with the
application of external force fir the expediting their pro-
ceedings —(Cheers from the Odpirsition.) The practical
proof that the Noble Lord was right was furnished by the
fact, that la, cause they proceeded faster than usu•il with the
Bill for one or two dabs, the G .vernment tound it neces-
sary to postpone a most imp•irtant clause, because it had
not been amended in conformity with the suggestions of
that (the Opposition) side of the House. He would imw,
with the permission of the Committee, make sonic ob-er•
vations upon the clause tom. proposed fur their adoption.
There were in all nineteen corporate towns in England,
and these, with the exception of the county of th- city of
Bristol,—which was de ilt with in a mariner laid down in
the clause,—were enumerated in sci edide H, annexed to
this Idol. he wished that every gentleman would take •he
trouble to peruse a treatise, of singular ability arid research.
upon those towns which were counties in theinselvecwrith n
(as we understood) by Mr Corbet. All the facts relating to
the history, and all the constitutional learning bearing
upon those facts, would be found stated with treat
ability and clearness in this treatise. In ten out of the
nineteen corporate towns, the freeholders had no right to
vote, either for the county of the tows, or if he might
be allowed to use the expression, for the parent county.
These ten corporate towns were Carmarthen, Chester,
Coventry, Exeter, Gloucester, Kingston.upon-Hull, Lin-
coln, London, Newcastle-upon• Tyne, and Worcester. In
four of thein,—namely, in Canterbu.y, Poole, South
ampton, and the Ainsty of York,—the freeholders had ti.e
right to vote for the parent county. In five of them,—
namely, Bristol, Haverford-west, Lichfield, Norwich, and
Nottingham,—the freeholders had a right to vote for the
city, in conjunction with the burgesses. Now, although
these anomalies existed in the rights of freeholders in these
corporate towns, he did think, when they were overturning
the ancient fabric of representation and constructing a new
one, thanalogousittowt'iold have
ieuconst been
ituti()nnucl
tioiabyeettger and muchiventothe more
analogous to the Constitution to have given to the free-
holders of such places the right of voting for the county of
the city rather than making them vote for the parent
county. lie thought that if the Bill had so dealt with the
freeholders of the counties of cities, it would have made an
arrangement which would have Leen at once more de-
sirable, more convenient, and more analogous to the Con-
stitution than the present arrangement. Ile must say
that he considered it most absurd to send 40s. freeholders,
freeholders of the lowest scale, 30 or 40 miles to vote ;it
the election for the parent county, instead of allowing
them to vote at the election for the county of the city in
which they resided. He apprehended that the suggestion
he was now making would he no infraction upon the
principles of the Bill, and, on general principles, he was
convinced that the arrangement he proposed would
he a strong guard against those abuses wh'i 1,, he
was convinced, would result from this part of the Bill as
it now stood. He thought that such freeholders should be
allowed to vote at elections for the city in conjunction with
the householders, and the freemen who wer allowed to
vote under the Bill ; and he would not let into such consti-
tuencies any one who had a vote for a different election.
He was sure that erect abuses would result from the present
arrangement. If a man attached a piece of ground, ever so
small, to his warehouse,---a garden, for instance,—he would
thus acquire a right to vote for the county. This facilitt
of creating a double right of voting was pregnant with
abuse, and he had no doubt that Birmingham and Coventry

~,u!d clod LLICatH to return the county 'Manama a, .n.,,!t
heir own Members. It should l rectal-et:ter!, that in the -
-nat instance the principle of the Bill, as stated he thine_
vhu had brought it forward, was to give the right of voting
in towns to resident voters. In fact, non-resident everts
erre altogether put aside by the first draught of the Bill.
An important alteration had, however, been sulniequentie
inade.in this portion of the Bill,—an alteratiun of which tot
( Sir R Peel) entirely approved, but which, at the same
time, it could not be denied, was a complete departure from
the original principle of the Bill; that alteration consisted
in making the possession of counting-l:tares and warehouse-4
confer the tie t of voting in towns, and by means of
such an alteration the right of voting was given tea 3,000
nr 4atuo non-resident vetere in Manchester alone. He
thouelit that his Majesty's Ministers did wisely iii admit-
ting such persona to the right of voting in too•ria; but when
they did so, why would they not admit fiennolders also?
He was of opinion that it would great! simplity the Bill,
if the principle should be adopted to confine the right of
rating annexed to a property to the district in whic's that
property was situated.
The ArFORN EY-GENERA L raid, tae Right Hen..
Baronet had taken this oppot tunity to attack the to nem;
prineipice of the Bill ; but it ahoold be borne in mind,
th at this; motion was brought forward by a wine friend of
the Bill, who, try broodine over its defeena—dietecta from
a'pis'h no measure could be free,—and perhaten by having
viewed it with too critical an eye, though niat was, gene-
rally apeakine, an useful qualiticati in on the part of a
Iletnte•r• of Parliament, had been induced to raise an e non-
-ition to this clause, from which he thointli• that it would
not be difficult to show to his Hon. and G:liant Friend
tat no advantageous results could fell •w. Befire he should
anode or the argutnente which hid bean .oletueed try ,he
Right Hon. Baronet. he could not avoid noticing e toirc
,o whirl, the Reda Hon. Baronet ha advert, d. and which
had been a subject of considerable triumeh will the oppo-
nent; of the Bill for some nights past. Because a clause
leod been postponed nn a former evening, it had beet, said
that it was postponed in consequenve of the rapidity with
ehich the Bill wis gains: through the House. and that • is
M •jesty's Ministers were anxious to elicit the valuatile cen-
sure of the Opposition in order tounide then: as to the,
amendments which they should introduce into it. New
the fact was, that this amended clause was ready written
and prepared some daya previously, aped it was only owing
to the indisposition of the Noble Lord on that occasion, who
was to brine the clause forward, and whoeepatwrat in noose-
quericei were not in the House, that he, the Attorney-Ge-
neral, havine been taken somewhat by cut prise. after the
rapid rate at which they travelled through Wale a had bean
obliged to make that momentary apology for the post-
ponement of the clause of which so great a handle had
since been made by Hon. Gentletrieo on the other side
of the House. He hoped, however, atter this explanation
to bear no more oft that subject from the Right Hon.
Baronet. The question on the present occasion was,
whether the freeloaders in the corporate towns should have
the right of voting in those towns, as the Ri. lit Hon-
Betonet contended that they eliould, or t; at they ',lmola
have the right of voting at the Elections for the counties in
which such towns were situate, as was provided by the
Bill, and as he (the Attorney-General) maintained was the
populationb tt arrangement. i
which such freeholders wee' principal?' to Int found, and
ntlte neighbourhood iieautdmoafi maintain
thatta psv nasg,r :n g t
were employed in the colture of the fields, and brought
who, though resident within the actin! limlto of the to:::
their paoduce weekly to the Markets of the town in ques-
tion for sale, was much more likely to act in accordance
with the interests of the population of.the county At larger
than with the interests of the freemen, tradesmen, and
artisans of the city, of which they could know compara-
tively nothing. The Bill as it stood secured the repre-
sentation of property in the counties, and the repreeenta-
tion of persons in the towns. That was the object and the
principle of the Bill, and tt. was upon such grounds that
he would contend that the agrirultural population in the
neighbourhood of corporate cities and borough* should
vote only at the election of Illemtiers fur the county, It
was no reason that because that population happened to be
within the jurisdiction of the city or borough in (petition
it should therefore vote at the election in the said city
or borough, and not at the electron for the county.
There was no doubt that several of those towns, such
as Lincoln and Nottingham, exercised completely
the rights of counties in themselves u regarded
the election of sheriffs and of other ulcers ; but it atiould
he borne in mind that there were various Acts of Parlia-
ment which restricted their jurisdiction. The danger, he
thought, of the freeholders abusing the right of the elective
franchise in such cases, for instance, as Nottingham and
Lichfield, was much lessened by seeding them to the larger
constituency in the county, instead of retaining them in the
smaller constituency in the towns. He could state, from
his own knowledge, that the evil by the multiplication of
freeholds was one that had taken place in the town ot 'Not-
tingham. Such an evil as that was provided against b -
this clause, which took away the object for which such
freeholds would be created in towns. If the objection of
his Hon. and Gallant Friend should be allowed to be a
valid one, and if his :notion should be assented to, its effect,
in the case of Nottingham, for example, would be to dis-
franchise in part a greet number of the ten-pound house-
holders there, who otherwise as freeholders would have
votes at the election for tl e county. There had been no
complaints from Nottingham against this clau-e. He did
not know what might be the fact as to Worcnster, but this
he knew, that there were 300 annuitants who, as free-
holders, exercised the right of voting in Lichfield, and with
regard to whom the inhabitants there complained, that
they penseaaed nothing in common with the intereata of the
residents in that town, This was an abuse which this
clause was calculated to remedy. Thee object of this clause
was to secure the right of voting in counties to those who
were most likely to vote in unison with the feelings and
the opinions of the population of the county, and the
same result was aimed at in the arrangement as to the
constituency which was proposed to be establialled in towns.
That a change in the existing system on this point was eh-
tiolottly necessary, was quite inevittfle, he thought could
not be denied, and it appeared to him that this was the
best mode of effecting that change. Ile was ready to main-
tain that the principle of the Bill was to confer the right
of voting on resident voters in towns, and that the giving
that right to the proprietors of counting-houses aniJ ware-
houses was no deviation from that principle. The owners
of inch property might, to be sure, live seven or eight
miles from the town in which it wasaituate, but then they
made their daily visits to the town in (oration, their ca-
pital was employed in it, its interests were of the greatest
importance to them, and the mere circumstance of their
not sleeping there did not bring them under the class of
non-residents. When they spoke of resistence as regarded
voters, they did not mean that kind of residence which
gave a right to a settlement, but that species of residence
which consisted in daily communication, rommerce, and
occupation in the town in which the right of voting was
to be exercised. Such a residence as that would nut exist
in the instance of the owners of freehceda, for they would
probably only call occatliorally for their rents, aced they
would be in no way identified with the trading and com-
mercial interests of the town where they might have a
vote. In conclusiou, he would say, that there was some-
thing in the way in which the Bill lead been prepared that
ought to give it credit with the real friends of Reform. It
had been prepared by those who were anxious to build up
as excellent a system of representation as possible, an i who
were willing to act upon the suggestions of others who had
the same object in view, and to give to them their due
weight. In a case, however, where merely dote -Cs had
been started, he hoped that the principle of Reform would
turn the balance in favour of the Bill, and that the tin e
would act upon the views talien by his Majesty's Minister r.
Colonel SIBTHORPE asked, whenier the freeholders
in corporate towns, who were at present liable to the pay-
ment of the rates there, wouai tie ; Iso liable to the pay-
ment of the rates for the county ior which they should
have votes ? If that would be the case, they would be
liable to the payment of doulee rates. which would be a
peat grievance. Much was said about non-residents ;
now he would wish to know, whether he (Colonel Sib-
thorpe) was not as much a non-resident in Lincoln, teeing
obliged to remain in London nine months perhaps out of
the twelve, as any of those from whom the Noble Lvrd
was anxious to take the right of voting?
Mr. CROKER wished to know whether the Com-
missioners who would he appointed by the Bali would not
have a power over these corporate boroughs and cities with
regard to settling their limits. In Lialitield and Gmentry,
where there was a large rural popu:ation, he apprehended
that those Commissioners would hay', die power of re-
stricting the borough population within its natural limits.
If that should he the case, the limits set up by them would
throw the whole rural population into the country, and
the whole of the arguments which had keen this evening
urged on thi« auhject would f,ll to the eround.

Lord ALTHOItP said, that in his view of the case
these Commissioners would certain'y have the power of
deciding the jurisdiction of those boroughs. As to the
question which had been asked by the Gallant Member for
settleAllthatit
Members of Par:lame:A, and it bad uothing to do with rates;
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residence according to this Bill ?
Lord ALTHORP said, that the cute ~,,.60,, ti,„ II
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