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London, England, 1836-02-06 00:00:00

IMP ER 'AL PARLIAMENT.

US.i _
, House met
.; OF LORDS, FEBIW ART 5.
The met 1 y o-da at half-twelve
past o'clock. After
prayers had been r,
ad by the Bishop of Bristol, the Duke of
Argyll, as Lord Steward of the Household, informed their
dress
Lordships
lf-p asthat hiF j Majesty would receive their Lordships' ad-
at ha :two o'ock. .. The Earl of
.1
i'ortiowrcl took the oaths and his seat as Baron
Lovel and Holt and.
( JAPITAL PUNISHMENTS.
Chief
The Earl of . SHAFTESBURY, in the absence of the Lord
Justice , of the King's Bench, said that be had to intro-
duceuc to their Lordships a. Bill for the abOlition ;of 'capital
shmenis iR certain casr.!.
The Bill
rdered was afterwards
s brought up, read a first time,. and
O to be read a second time on Monday.: '
,On the, motion of the Earl of SHAFTESBURY the Appeal
torntnit'wce was appointed for the Session.
dAt two o'clock theirLordshipsproceeded in state to present
a address to his Majesty, and the House adjourned till:Mo-
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HOF COMMONS, FEBRUARY 5.
_r:lThe SPEAKER took the chair at five minutes to four o'clock.
4r.Divett, Sir: Andrew A gnew, and Mr. Sergeant Talfourd,
4ettr, o
hire some p,etitions, 'the purport of which we could not
wing to *le noise in the body of the House.
Mr. AND TENANT—(IRELAND.)
r' SHA.RMAN CRAWFORD gave notice, that on
ersday, the 10th of March, he should' move for leave to
bring in a -Bill to amend the law relating to landlord and
tenant in Ireland.
„ INTIMIDATION AT ELECTIONS.
akftr• POULTER gave notice that on tile 17th inst., he
kut.kl.d move for leave to bring a Bill to prevent threats and
'lntiation at the election of Members', to serve in Parliament.
SPIRIT DUTIES.
• bIVETT gave niaice, tha:c on the 3d of March, he
ove for a comrvfttee of the whole House, to consider
wkilm?.priety of repePaing so much of the Act, 4th and sth,
Iv., as impose; an additional duty upon spirit licences.
The Ho
B_ORQUGH OF STAFFORD.
the 9,4.71. niewaeit then gave notice that on Tuesday next,
dist ."'lnst., he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to
easiranchise the.. borough or: Stafford ; and that on the same oc-
osl he shrAild move the suspension of the Stafford Writ.
t'll ould move f a rturn of the number of spirit dis-
anti,retailers whoor e had obtained relief by the 3d and 4th
~illiatn
IV., chap. 71.), with the amount of relief so.obtained.
Ca SPIRIT LICENCES.
arid arnin -PE Clll.-',,LL presented petitions from Clapham,
law '°l:3 other plp,Ces in Sussex, praying for a repeal of the
sAirit
"uneh impos.ed an additional duty of 50 per cent upon
,2licences ; .-tir that the House would be, pleased to grant a
711ittee to enquire into the present state of the spirit trade.
ial'"ear.) Great disatisfaction had arisen from the.
ihnP°s„..itLicn of these. duties; .and-he was glad. to find that
.Member for Exeter I;ad given notice of a •
112.titien
upon the subject. He trusted that the proprietors
'4 propritAresses (for the fair. sex' were entitled to proper
ideration)—( A laugh).L-would obtain that attention to their
Atillable demands which they were led to expect from the
Aell
bof
dgthee Right MM. the Cilincellor of the Exchequer
v-aniri.
HAND-LOOM, WEAVERS.
th.kr. MAXWELL gave intice, that on the 3d March, he '
41t1 the the attention/44 the House to the present state of..
iaid-loom weavers,' •
HAWE morcd for certain returns, the purport of
"leh we did' not 117,..
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friRANGE LODGES. vir
. FINN.. gave notice that on Tuesday next he should
a_lnit to the Viouse .a motion, in consequence of the Grand
iarjge Lodg,e of Irelend having impeached the , conduct
liotne'witn;.;ises examined before the ' Committee -of that.
ane. also for having impeaChed the Report- of that
Evranlittet, in a document which appeared in the Dublin
to ln9 dad and the-Dublin Warder. And he would beg
whe-fi,"'ltlie Hon. Member for Cavan (Mr. 11. Maxwell),
itself-1n his signature to that document, and the• document
k published.iii these papers, were authentic?
asked MAXWELL looked upon the question as one
ohjee, °Y one. private gentleman of another, and he had no
eouti.'"°ll to answer it as such, but entirely from motives of
tlies,„°B/..---(llear, hear.) The docunient, as published in
he.',l)lPers, and bearing his (Mr. Maxwell's) signature, was,
Ziiered, genuine.
lir- FINN then gave notice, that in calling the attention of
11)+36 '4, "se to the evidence taken before the Committee ap-
!lb °',,`,e,,tl to inquire into Orange Lodge Societies in Ireland, he
llie1"' Move that Orangeism in Ireland has been productive of
th,t".'nst baneful effects on the administration of public justiee—
toreits Prevalence in the constabulary and 'peace preservation
And-,:;4,0(1. generally in Ireland, has led to the gross neglect
lalb"°l,Tion of public duty, and to the open and lawless res.'s.-
qt:-Q to the authority of magistracy and of the Executtse
l'4lll.lile-nt of Ireland, the
b'y individual members andland, l arge
gad sg of the above-description of force—that the systematic
of tißrreptitiolli introduction of Orangeisminteevery branch
1.41 rnilitari service, in almost every part' of the empire, in
in of orders issued in 1822 and 182 R by the Commander
''Perlllll,-1'• of his Majesty's Forces, mist the absolute and me-
power vested by its governing •bodies—the Grand -
t'r 117,esi°
rll England and Ireland—in its Grand Imperial Mas-
bea Royal Highness Ernest' Duke of Cutriberland—( Hear,
-
hie,t'-as well as the number, the rank, and the station and
et lee of the different' mctiN'hers of that' bo4 throughotif
,i,erY part of the British dominions, arc well calculated to ex-
thte serious apprehens'ions in the minds of the loyal subjects of
ce empire, and to call imperatively upon the Representatives.
°' the people for the, most energetic expression of its opinion
t 0 secure the safe, the peaceable, the legal, and rightful suc-
cession to the Throne of these realms.--( Hear, hear.)
. BRIBERY LAWS.
Mr. HART Y gave notice that he would ask leave at an
early period of the Session to introduce a bill for the purpose
of consolidrhting and amending the laws relating to bribery at
the election of Members to serve in Parliament.
TI7.'HE PROSECUTIONS IN IRELAND.
Mr. S'dEIL gave notice that in February (we did not
catch the day) he would move for a return of all processes
hleilhadbeen issued under the warrant of the Court of Ex-
4,_equer in Ireland, in the cause of " Knox v. Cavan," and all'
o`nr')e orders made thereon, and also for a return of all the orderslB
e Government issued during the years 1833; 1834, and
respecting the collecting of Tithes.
NEW WRITS.
I),Mr. E. J. STANLEY moved for a new writ for the
111;010 of Stoke-upon-Trent, in the room of Mr. Heathcote,
111.;„ find accepted the Chiltern Hundreds. Also for a new
I) for the borough of Cockermouth, in the room of Mr.
chlltern '!'e, , whoun hadred s. o accepted the office of Steward of the
Hd als

Air PRINTING _OF BILLS.
4ol.; 'HUME gave notice that, on Wednesday next, he
-`" submit to the House the propriety of having all Bills
Illicit" ill plain round hand, instead of being engrossed in
letter.—( A laugh.)
Th STANDING ORDERS.
11% e SPEAKER then proceeded to read the Standing Orders.
thQet,,tl he came to those relating to the printing the papers of
1111:4 r* HUME rose to call the attention of the House to the
Qo"Qct• In August last, in consequence of the report of a
411(aittee, the House had agreed that the votes should be
of jet' in a condensed and close form, by which one half
Pfte in
would be saved. He wishedto know whether
shraPations had been made to have the votes pi inted agree-
, the3r to the form annexed to the report which had been laid on
I%,able, and which had received the approbation of the House ?
test" SPEAKER was aware that at the close of last Session,
Hon,ain resfAutions had been adopted to the effect stated by the
Merftber ; but he expected that the House would appoint
Soelilmiltee this Session to carry these resolutions into effect.
in
_PPirtions of those resolutions as seemed to him to require
direct gate directions, he had given with respect to them such
itAtlions as in his discretion were calculated to carry them
the effect. With respect to the parties employed in printing
Ito v:ltes (so we understood), he could state that there was
1,10 °ejection on their parts to carry the resolutions of the
4 lae into effect.
%%!,• HUME understood, from what bad fallen from the
der, that the resolutions of the 13th of August would
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into effect.--( Hear, hear.)
`e SPEAKER then proceeded in the further reading of the
erodingll Orders, and the last day for receiving the Report on
l'a_te Bills was fixed for Monday the 6th of June.
Itiov
• E WART thought the present the proper time for
thaileg the resolution of which he had given notice last Session,
tft: elect Committees in future should consist of eleven mem-
laFh, The Hon. Member thought the adoption of the reso7
tiuoet :11 highly important, and he trusted, therefore, it would not
With any oppposition.
tsiiiiard JOHN RUSSELL said that the subject was one cer-
hp Y very well worthy the consideration of the House. He was
tie Y glad that the Hon. Member had given notice of his inten-
-4 to•
Very • bring the subject forward ; but he thought it would be
prose Inconvenient if they proceeded with
,such a House as the
th o discuss the subject of altering the mode of conducting
it e Setect Committees. He should therefore suggest, whether
conuld not be better to appoint a small Select Committee, '
s'stieg of not more than'mne Members to take the subject of
theresolution into consideration. He hoped the Hon. Member
tioould not object to his moving, as an amendment to his resolu-
'Prtile' tile appointment of a Committee to consider of the pro-
Apr of carrying it into effect.
poserr O'BRIEN thought the Committee should have the
to of considering the mode in which Bills were presented
of `..11,e House. He thou.-lit that department of the business
fanner,
House was conducted in any thing but a creditable
fanner
o Mr. E WART would offer no opposition to the amendment
f IL
abo ite Noble Lord; but he thought it most desirable that it
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be carried into effect as soon as possible.
!'e Committee was then appointed.,
Mr. HUME trusted that the Gentlemen named would re-
Wady attend the Committee.
tai rd J. RUSSELL said that he would .take pains to ascer-
whether the Gentlemen he had named would attend, and
it, the place of any that could not, he would name other Hon.
-4V)ers.
a HUME begged to call the attention of the House to
series of resolutions which had been passed by a Committee
appointed last Session to enquire into certain matters con-
nected with the printing of Acts of Parliament. By an order
7th of May, a resolution directing 5,000 Acts of Parlia-
nent to' be circulated in certain boroughs and counties had
been rescinded ; another resolution had been agreed to by the
aatne Committee, recommendin that the Statutes should Le
prf
both inted in royal -octavo, and circulated amongst the Members
1 Houses. His Object now was to move that these reso-
iktions should be submitted to the Lords, and their concurrence
requested thereto.
Mr. F. BARING suggested that a copy of the Report re-

ferred to by the Hon. Member should be sent to their Lord-
ships.
Mr. HUME said, the next resolution recommended that a
certain number of the Statutes should be stamped, and sent
to certain public offices ; but there were words in the resolu-
tion Well, if adopted, would give a monopoly to the King's
printer; he would, therefore, move that these words be left out.
Mr. F. BARING said that the words would certainly create
a monopoly which the Committee never intended. It was
clear there must be some amendment to the resolution of last
Session.

Mr. • HUME said that at present 300 copies of any
private Act were printed at the public expense, although
not 50 of them were used. The parties requiring 'private
Bills were required to furnish one correct copy ; but he
put it to the House whether 300 copies should be printed
or • not ? The party was at present entitled to employ whom
he pleased, provided he furnished a correct copy; but by
the wording of this resolution he would be precluded from
doing • so, and a complete monopoly would be given to the
King's printer. After some further conversation, the resolu-
tion was rescinded.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.

Mr. E WART moved that no business except of a formal
nature should be entered upon after the hour of half-past
eleven at night. He had made a similar motion during the
last Session, which, though not carried formally, was virtually,
so by the persevering conduct of his Hon. Friend the Member
for Salford, and he only now wished to establish by a resolution of
that House, what had been the practice for some time past.
There was now a great deal of time wasted in debating the
solemn and important question whether they should adjourn
or not, and by ,acceding to his proposition they would be
enabled to devote it to public business.—( Hear, hear.) The
country was adverse to the system of nocturnal legislation,
and the interests of the community could, he thought, be
much better attended to by day than by night. Be hoped they
would agree to that first step in the return to seasonable hours,
and by an early adjournment at night they would be better
enabled to attend in the morning. The Honourible Gentle-
man concluded by submitting his proposition.
• Mr. WALLACE seconded the motion.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL made some observations, but in
so

low a tone; that he was quite inaudible in the gallery.
Mr. O'CONNEL L said there was an objection to the mo-
tion because it excepted business of a formal nature. There
was another, that it proposed that the House should sit till half-
past eleven, one half hour too late. No business should be
entered upon after eleven o'clock. The only assembly in the
world—that is, the on!ilegat assembly who: transacted busi-
ness at night, was the British House of Commons. They
should begin to do business at business hours. Much had been
said of the wisdom of their ancestors, and they commenced
so early as eight o'clock in the morning. —( Hear.) At
so late a period as 1792 the resolution of that House
was'that the Order of the Day should be read at one o'clock
in,the afternoon, and not later. He submitted that they should
come back to business hours, and he thought if they devoted
-at the commencement of the Session, three days in the week
beginning at ten in the forenoon, and ending at eight in the
afternoon, there would be three times the quantity of
business gone through that there is at present. There
was much lost by night sittings, and from half-past
six to nine o'clock was generally employed in listening
to those who at any other time would not, or ought not, to be
heard. He knew two gentlemen, who, in his opinion, had lost
their lives by the• Present system, and whose names he would
mention, were it not indelicate to do so. One of them was 58
years of age, and their families attributed their deaths to
the, great change in their habits, and to, the very late
hours which they kept in attending to the business of the
country. The Committees could sit for the other four days
in the week, until, the business had so far advanced, that the
bills had obtained their second readings. He should, if a
division was pressed for, move the omission of the word
" half" after " eleven o'clock," and also the omission of the
words " except formal business."
Mr. BRO THE RTON begged to express his concurrence
in the motion that had been made. If the resolution was not
adopted, he should pursue his old course of moving the ad-
journment at twelve o'clock.
Mr. ROBINSON opposed the motion. A great portion
of the Members of the House would necessarily have to ab-
sent themselves from the House during the day upon Com-
mittees. Again, there were a great many professional men,
Members of that House, who would not be able to attend in the
day, their service being required elsewhere ; and another consi-
deration was, the presence of his Majesty's Ministers, who
it was well known had to attend Cabinet Councils in the day.
He thought, therefore, that if this motion was adopted, the
House would rather increase than lessen the difficulty com-
plained of.
Mr. HUM E said the Honourable Member for Wor-
cester had assigned a very good reason why certain persons
who could not attend during the day should not be
members, but to state that as a reason why the House
should not proceed with public business during the day
was the most extraordinary thing he ever heard.—( Hear,
hear.) If there were Gentlemen, members of the House,
whose professional or other employments prevented their at-
tendance in the day, he thought they had better devote all
their attention to their business than attending the House.
With regard to his Majesty's Ministers, he was not inclined
'to think the presence of his Majesty's Ministers so essential.
—(Laughter, and hear, hear.) But they had shut their eyes
to the real cause of the difficulty they complained of. The
House was overcharged with business. All private business
ought to be reisiiiverl. from the --House. What' 'did it
signify when there was to be a certain road in Devonshire,
or a certain road in Yorkshire, when some of the most im-
portant Members might be taken away upon a Committee
of that kind the whole of the day, and afterwards come to
the House fatigued and unable to take a part in the dis-
cussions ? The House of Commons was the only assembly
in the world that took charge of all private and public
business. At the close of the Session there were generally 50 or
60 notices on the book, which it was perfectly impossible
could be moved. The . real cause of this was Members
being engaged up-stairs on Committees. He did not
speak of Public Committees alone, but whenever an indi-
vidual, however well qualified he might be to attend
a public committee was acquainted with any private road
that his constituents were concerned in, they made it a point
of addressing him to attend that private committee ; he then
had to leave the public committee to go to the private com-
mittee; then he was locked up until there was a division,
when he was hunted like a malefactor, and at last when found,
he was obliged to leave the committee and get down stairs just
in time to give a vote.—( Hear, and laughter.) What con-
dition would the House be in when 50 or 60 rail-roads came
into it—(lmmense laughter)—if 50 or 60 rail-road Bills were
introduced:—( Hear, hear.) He would give them the example
of the Western Rail-road, which was before the House about
70 days. Two gentlemen were on a Committee which lie
had had on special business, they being the best informed men
in the House ; they were taken away the first day, and obliged
to sit day after day upon the private Committee, although' it
appeared to him there was no necessity for their attendance
upon it. Now he submitted they ought not to be dealing in
patchwork, but to look at what was the real evil, and meet it
fairly. If the public business could not be got through be-
tween the hours of 10 in the morning and 12 at night, the House
ought to sit all the year round.—( Hear.) He protested against
legislating by candlelight, either to please professional or any
other men, and that they ought to be permitted to go home
like decent people at twelve o'clock.
Sir R. PEEL said he had now had considerable experi-
ence of that House—( Hear, hear)—but he felt bound
to say that, during all that experience, he' had never
beard such a proposition made, as had just come from the
Hon. Member for Middlesex. He had never heard it pro.
posed that that House should forego all cpntroul over its private
business.-4 Hear, hear.) Private business involved on many
occasions many matters of the very greatest import-
ance, and he for one would certainly never consent
that it should be transferred to any other authority or tribunal
whatever. The Hon. Member said, what signified a road in
Yorkshire ? It was true that there might be a road lead-
ing to a village which was of little importance, but there
might be the case of a great and leading railroad through the
country, which would be of the very greatest importance; and
lie would never consent that the consideration of such should
be taken from Parliament. The Hon. Member admitted that
there must be some new regulation as to the mode of conduct-
ing the public business—then why press on this resolution before
that arrangement was made ? The resolution, however, would
not meet the evil—it did not in any way interfere with a debate
upon a subject which had occupied the House during the pre-
vious part of the evening. It was only new business that was
interfered with, and so the resolution would not do what the
Hon. Member wanted ; viz.—allow him and other Hon. Mem-
bers to go home at 12 o'clock. He was of opinion that the
matter was better left in the hands of the House, and he was
perfectly certain that an intimation to any Hon. Member
would be attended to. It was quite impossible for them to
come to any resolution for meeting at 10 o'clock in the morn-
ing without making a vast number of changes in other mat-
ters. Leaving out all mention of Committees, then, he would
ask whether the presence of the many merchants from the
city, of the most eminent lawyers, was not of some
consequence were their services not of some avail ? He
did not think that the public would benefit much by
their being shut out, which would be the consequence of
Such a Resolution. Then to take the case of Public Com-
mittees—if the House sat at that early hour, when would they
discharge the duties of Committees ?—The evil would not be
met by giving them leave to sit along with the House. Then
again he did not think that the public servi6e would be bene-
fited by the Ministers of the Crown being obliged to transact
the business of their offices at the hours of two or three o'clock
in the morning, which would inevitably be the case, if they
were obliged to attend that House during the day.
It appeared to him that these corresponding regulations should
be made, and under these circumstances, as it was impossible
that they could be carried into effect, and he could not give
his consent to the resolution of the Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. HUME begged to explain. He did not mean to lessen
the importance of public roads throughout the country ; but
what he would urge was, that it was unnecessary to bring
questions of that sort up to London, and that local tribunals
might be appointed to decide upon the propriety of such
applications.—( Hear, hear, hear.) With respect to a new
arrangement interfering with the business of London lawyers
and merchants, he would be glad to ask the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman how many lawyers and merchants of London sat in that
House ? Were they not comparatively few when they looked
at the number of Irish and Scotch merchants and lawyers, and
all those who came up from various parts of the country to
attend their Parliamentary duties ?—( Hear, and cries of
" Spoke, spoke.")
Mr. EWART entirely agreed with the observation of the
Hon. Meml;er for Middlesex, that much local business now
transacted by that House could be judiciously transferred to
local tribunals. What he complained of was the inequality
Of the business transacted in that House. On what were

technically termed " Field day's," there was a very full' at-
tendance of Members, but he would appeal to the Right Hon.
Baronet himself, without meaning anyttieg disrespectful to
him, whether it was possible for him to attend on all ordi-
nary occasions ?—( Hear, hear.) There must be a beginning
made, and as the House had already recognised the proposi-
tion of the Hon. Member for Salford, the sooner the present
one was adopted and sanctioned the better. Perhaps the bet-
ter` plan would be to devote three days of the week to public
business, and three days to public Committees. Whatever the
House would determine upon, a beginning must be made
sooner or later, and he had no objection to modify his resolu-
tion so as to meet the views of the House.
Mr. T. ATT WOOD thought the suggestion of the Hon.
Member for Middlesex, as to the propriety of establishing local
boards to decide upon the question of rail-roadi and others of
a like nature, was most judicious, wiih power to appeal to that
House. He was decidedly in favour of the business of the
House being transacted at earlier hours than has hitherto been
the case, as four-fifths of it were hurried over in a very negli-
gent manner.
Dr. BOWRING said, that though a young Member. of
that House, yet, in the growing increase of the interests of
the community, he felt, and he was sure that many agreed
with him in this conviction, that something must be speedily
done to disencumber that House of the great many claims
upon their attention. He had witnessed the proceedings of
more representative bodies than most individuals of that House,
and he could say that that was the only representative body
that did not make all other concerns subordinate to the great
public interests entrusted to their care. The public service
would gain very much if they gave to the public interests the
hours of day, instead of the weary and exhausting hours of
night. It became them to take some measures for the further-
ance of the public business ; and he trusted that the House
would give attention to the proposal of his 'Noble Friend; and
sure he was, that unless the period arrived in which the day
sinuld be given to the great concerns of the nation, those con-
cerns could not be 'properly attended to.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House
divided for the motion.

Ayes
Noes - 233
Majority against the motion —lB2
STANDING ORDER COMMITTEE.

Sir JOHN WROTTESL EY gave notice, that on Mtn-
day next, "Gc should move for the appointmrnt f the Standing
Order Committee.

BONDED CORN.

Mr. HEATHG.4OThasQ whether it was the intention
of his Majesty's Government to bring forward any mea-
sure on the subject of allowing foreign corn in bond to
be taken out to be greund; and then exported, distinguishing
whether it would be imperative that all such corn should be
exported, or whether an equivalent quantity of English corn
would be sufficient..

Mr. P. THOMPSON was understood to say that it was
not the intention of his Majesty's Government to bring forward
any measure on the subject.
THE ADDRESS TO HIS MAJESTY.

SIT JOHN VVROTTESLEY Drought up the Report on the
Address.

On the question that it be read,
Mr. FE CT OR rose—He felt it his duty upon the present
occasion to raise his voice against several parts of the Ad-
dress, particularly that part which related to the con-
test in Spain—a contest which was disgraceful to
every person connected with it.—( Hear, hear.) He thought
the House ought not to give its approbation to measures
which had caused blood to flow at Barcelona—he thought
the course adopted by the late Government on the subject,
ought to be discarded by every thinking man. What was it
they had done ? Why, they had sent out a band of hired
ruffians, for the express purposes of plunder.—(Hear.)
The English army, in his opinion, was disgraced by the expe-
dition which had been sent to Spain. The British uniform
was disgraced by it—the British officers were disgraced by it,
and an indelible stain was cast upon the entire British Empire.,
Deeply did he regret that the Minister of the Crown should
lend his sanction to such conduct. Deeply did he regret that'
the character of England,which had formerly been regarded with
respect by every Court in Europe, was now looked down upon
with abject contempt.
Mr. GROVE PRICE rose amidst loud cries of oh
oh ! If it were the feeling of that House that he should
sit down, he 'would at once obey its mandate ; but he
claimed his right as a Member of Parliament to offer
his opinion on the present question, and he thought that
the interruption which he had met with, did not reflect credit
on the quarter from whence it proceeded. He did not regret
not having entered into the discussion last night, when the
Amendment of the Right Hon. Baronet was under dis-
cussion, because he did not wish to join together two subj
jccts of a different nature.—( Hear, hear.) He felt strongly
upon the subject of their foreign policy, and having spent some
years in an endeavour to understand the situation of that un-
fortunate country which had been the scene of the most glo--
rious exploits of the British army, he should not feel inclined
to allow the Address to pass without expressing his opinion
on the subject of the affairs of Spain. Motives of justice
and of humanity alike impelled him not to leave
the House without giving vent to the indignation
which filled his bosom at the atrocities there committed. The
Address talked of the vigour and prudence of the Queen's
Government. Where was that vigour? Every where but in
the field. The vigour was to be found in the massacre of on-
offending individuals by a savage mob, and the pruden9c in
that horriVics-exhibitiern, which might be 'compared to a'actur--
nalia of terror, led en by a monster lost to every feeling of
humanity, and without regard to any party politics.--( Cries of
" Oh, oh I) Yes, he would call him a monster, clothed_ in
none of the garb of human nature, and who should be
execrable to society—such was the monster of Catalonia.
If to vigour and prudence they had added the word " mercy,"
it would have been the bitterest sarcasm that the.hand of man
had ever penned. But the monsters of Barcelona had done
more • they had placed the children of hostages--the unoffend-
ing infants—before the ranks of the troops, in order that the
fathers might direct the guns of the soldiers, and that the first
discharge should be in the,; bosoms of their childreri.—( Cries
of " Oh.") Were these the men to be defended ? He must
apologise for speaking so warmly, but he could not conceive
any thing more perfectly horrible • and whether tl.ese atroci-
ties had been committed on one side or the other, he would
have felt equally indignant.—( Hear, hear.) But what would
they say when they found those very massacres—this very scene
of Barcelona—an exact copy of the atrocities committed at
Nantes by Fouche ? The bodies of the victims were exposed
to the most horrible insults. And these were the men
whom some Liberal Members contended were the best
recipients of a system of representative Government. How
had that word been abused ? Before they established free-
dom they should first establish the laws of justice and
humanity. Had there been any examination of the murderers ?
—No. A few-had been made examples of, but the murderers of
Barcelona remained unpunished. And what was their prudence?
It consisted of a large spoliation of the ecclesiastical property
of Spain, to satisfy the vultures of the different exchanges
of Europe.—( Hear.) He objected to spoliation of eccle-
siastical property, whether in this country or in any other,
He would ,JIOW venture to say a few words respecting the rea-
sons which induced him to disagree with that part of the
Address which expressed a hope for the speedy crushing of Don
Carlos's party, and that was the party of Spain.—(" No, no.")
If Hon. Gentlemen would wait for a few moments, he would
prove to them that such was the fact. He knew the country
well, and had many friends in it, and was able to say that
Spain was divided into two parties.—( Hear.) The Queen's
party consisted of people in office, and of men who held
republican opinions they are .the men who welcomed
Joseph, and who, if they succeeded in crushing Don Car-
los, would hurl Christina and her daughter from the throne
in less than six months. It consisted of men of great talents,
he must admit that. There were, also a few apostate clergy
joined with them ; but that was almost all. On the
other hand, the Carlists consisted—not as the Noble Lord
told him eight months ago, that Don Carlos:and his party
were totally confined to the Basque provinces—that party
was now formed of the great mass of the rural population
of Spain. They held very large divisions of towns.
The Clergy were with them almost to a man. He had the
pleasure of informing the Noble Lord- that at this moment
there , were----100;000 powerful and determined men in
arms, in favour of Don Carlos.—( Loud Laughter.)
They were first a people 'of civil and pastoral race, longsac-
customed to their own institutions and their own habits. They
lived and died as their forefathers had lived and died—(hear)
—he had used one word in mistake—he would withdraw the
word " died".—(Laughter.) The first principle which the
Carlists had imbibed was one which, perhaps, the Noble
Lord opposite would be astonished to hear from his
lips, but they had contracted what might be called, and he did
not use the words in an invidious sense, something of the stern-
ness ani resoluteness of the republican character. They bad
next a, devoted attachment to their institutions, which.
they had possessed from the earliest period. The third prin-
ciple they were imbued with, was the principle of religion
.--they were attached to the Clergy.—( Hear, hear.)
The fourth was, and he gloried in it, their chivalrous spirit,
which had been called forth to rally round the standard of a
Prince who, having suffered distress and privation, pre-
ferred, to a life of ease and wealth, the high and lofty habits
which had been bequeathed to him, as the descen-
dant of the first Prince of Europe ; and chose to
share the bivouac of soldiers, rather than to degrade
himself by accepting the miserable pension offered to him.
In such a cause as this, every good and brave man would
crowd round the standard of their country, encounter every dif-
ficulty, and dare the worst in its cause. Look on the other party,
the Christinos, who were actually dragged into the field
without the slightest interest but their pay. Were they able
to meet such hardy warriors ? No • for wherever they bad
met them, notwithstanding the fictitious accounts that
had been published, they had fled before them. Was not
the conduct of the opposite party most humane and moderate,
while the' return made by the Christinos was the shooting'
of wounded volunteere ?—( Hear, hear.) Had not the Christinos
massacred whole villages ? Was there not decimation after
decimation of their men ?—and yet the Noble Lord came down
with a bland and dulcet voice, announcing that the Queen's
vigorous and prudent conduct would soon restore tranquillity.
Here he, must be permitted to express his surprise,at a letter
which lately appeared in the public prints, addressed by the
Noble Lord Palmerston to the Bishop of Leon, who had writ-
ten to him in the spirit of a clergyman in behalf of some un-
happy men who had been taken prisoners. The Noble Lord
had replied to that letter in a tone which he (Mr. Price) con-
sidered rather unhappy, as partaking more of flippancy than
suited the expression of opinion by a Minister of the Crown,
on such an occasion.—( Hear, hear.) The Bishop of Leon,
though not of the same faith with him (Mr. Prince), must be
admitted to be a man who was a pattern of true virtue, whose
principles of honour and integrity were unquestionable, and
who had left wealth and rank, because lie could not express
his obedience to a system which be could not conscientiously