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THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY, FEBOARY 13, 1836.

of the present Government .was a question which he was no
prepared to decide. He felt that he must wait to see such
evidences of that vigour and prudence as might lead him to
anticipate such a result. He rose, however, principally to
state that although he might abstain from entering into any
discussion upon the general policy of his Majesty's Govern-
ment, it was not on account of any approbation of that policy
—very far from it, indeed—that he did so. He did not
quarrel with the Noble Lord for having acknowledged the
legitimacy of the existing Government of Spain ; and what-
ever might be his opinion of the treaty concluded for that
purpose, he was the last person to deny that its obligations
should be fulfilled honourably, fully, and in the strictest
sense. The Noble Viscount could not but do justice to the
conduct of the Noble Duke lately at the head of the Foreign
Department ; he would, indeed, confidently ask the Noble
Viscount whether, while his Noble Friend held the Seals
of that Department, the provisions of that treaty had
not been fulfilled honourably and faithfully ? But, on the other
hand, if the Noble Marquis inferred therefrom that his Noble
Friend entertained any different opinion as to the policy of the
treaty than he (the Earl of Aberdeen) had expressed, he was
greatly mistaken ; for it was one thing to approve of entering
into engagements, and another to fulfil them when entered into,
and when being sanctioned by the ratification of the King they
became binding so long as they subsisted.
A Noble LORD, who was very imperfectly heard in the
gallery, alluded to the report which was prevalent of six of his
Majesty's subjects having been captured by Don Carlos and
shot, and was understood to submit some question to the Noble
Viscount opposite (Lord Melbourne).
Viscount MELBOURNE said a few words in a tone equally
indistinct; their purport seemed to be, that it was quite cer-
tain that the individuals in question had been shot, but that no
official information of the fact had been received lay his Ma-
jesty's Government.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said a few words in
reply, and the conversation then dropped.
MR. BUCKINGHAM'S CASE.
Lord DENMAN presented a petition from certain persons
in the Isle of Wight, for compensation to Mr. Buckingham. _
ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS' JURISDICTION.
The LORD CHANCELLOR rose for the purpose of
laying on their Lordships' table a Bill for the Consolidation
of the Ecclesiastical Courts of this country, and for making
provision for the more effectual administration of the justice
now administered in these Courts. It would not be conve-
nient that he should enter much into the details of the pro-
posed measure, but at the same time it would not be inconve-
nient, as the measure was of great importance, and as the
grievances complained of in these Courts had been the subject
of much discussion, that he should shortly give an outline of
the plan which he_should have the honour of proposing. Their
Lordships were aware that there were a multiplicity of matters
which might come under the consideration of the Ecclesiastical
Courts—that some of them were of the utmost importance--
that others were important, though in regard to them the
Courts had very much fallen into desuetude ; in fact, one rea-
son why the country had escaped many grievances of which it
would have had to complain in respect of these Courts was.
that they had practically ceased to exercise much of the juris-
diction vested in them. Amongst these matters the most im.
portant must be considered those which concerned the probate
of wills, or the administration of property, when a party died
intestate. In former times, when the property of this country
consisted principally of land, and when personal property was
comparatively of little value, the importance of that jurisdic-
tion was not so materially felt ; but at the present moment,
when so large a proportion of the riches of the country passed,
on the death of a person intestate, either under his will, or to
those who came in succession as next of kin, it was important
to provide for the due administration of that jurisdiction.
Another important matter which came under the cognizance
of these Courts was their matrimonial jurisdiction—questions
as to the validity of marriage—the nullity of marriage—repa-
rat ion after marriage—the restoration of conjugal rights—all
questions of extreme importance. The Ecclesiastical Courts
had also jurisdiction over legacies—a jurisdiction which they
could but very imperfectly perform, because they could not
interfere with questions of legacies relating to trust or charges
on land. Practically, therefore, there was but little business
done in these Courts in the exercise of that jurisdiction ; but
still there was a power in certain cases of resortinc, to these
Courts for the purpose of compelling payments. Another ju-
risdiction which they possessed was given for the purpose of
compelling the payment of tithes ; but there the infirmity of
the Courts was apparent, for their jurisdiction ceased if there
arose a question touching prescription or a modus; then other
Courts interfered. Their jurisdiction in matters relating to
church rates was very imperfectly executed, and would be much
better exercised in another manner. He passed over such
little questions as those relating to pews in churches, and came
to that important branch of their jurisdiction which it was not
intended to affect by this Bill, namely, the jurisdiction of
the Bishops over their Clergy. That was a matter properly
belonging to the Church. As the law now stood, it was well
known that its provisions were not sufficient for the object
which they had in view, and that they were extremely ex-
pensive and dilatory. A jurisdiction more effective might
be established, though not by the present Bill, for the pur-
pose of enabling the Bishops to correct errors which might
have crept into the conduct of their Clergy, and to ex-
ercise a salutary authority on that subject. There were some
other subjects of ecclesiastical jurisdiction, which, fortunately,
were not very often resorted to. Such as those which
were exercised pro salute anima, with the intention of cor-
recting immoral practices, and which it was sortietimos at-
tempted to enforce, though at a great expense. He would pass
over the jurisdiction in cases of indecent brawling in a church,
and other equally unimportant matters. But all those matters
together constituted a large scope of jurisdiction though, as he
had before said, the power of the Courts, even when they ex-
ercised their authority, was inadequate to carry their orders
into execution, as they had no other means of enforcing them
but by ecclesiastical censures—by processes of monition, ex-
communication, and suspension. Statutes had been passed
which gave them the power of applying to other Courts to en-
force their jurisdiction • but a more inconvenient process than
this—one more palpably showing the infirmity of the jurisdic-
tion of the Ecclesiastical Courts—could not be devised. Their
Lordships were not, perhaps, aware of the number of Courts in
the kingdom which possessed the power of exercising this very
extensive jurisdiction ; the number was 386. Some of them
were constituted on a much better footing than others. There
were 300 Peculiars, as they were called, whose jurisdiction
had originated in earlier times—in the days of Popery, for
instance, when certain privileges which formed the basis of it
had been granted to peculiar monasteries and other places ;
in some cases the lord of a manor possessed that jurisdiction.
One great inconvenience which resulted froin it was this :
that whilst there were so many Courts to which a party might
resort for proving a will, it was difficult in the extreme fur -any
other party who was desirous of disputing the probate, or the
right of administering, to know in which of them he ought to
enter his caveat (to use the legal expression) for that purpose.
Again, parties were unwilling to resort to those local Courts,
for the purpose of taking out letters of administration, because
if it should happen that any part of the estates to which they
referred were found to be situated out of the jurisdiction of
the particular Court in which they were taken, the letters
would be entirely void. Practically, therefore, although these
numerous local Courts existed, application was usually made
to the Prerogative Courts, because the letters taken out in
them were sap e to apply to the whole property in question.
Another bad effect of the system was this : that it was impos-
sible that Courts so constituted could have Judges competent
to decide on the matters brought before them, or Advocates
capable of submitting such arguments as ought to be addressed
to them.----( Hear, hear, hear.) A further grievance which
followed from the constitution of these Courts was the
multiplicity of appeals to-which they gave rise. There was
an appeal first to the Diocesan Court, then to the Court
of Arches, and then, till recently, to the Court of Dele-
gates, but now to his Majesty in Council. Through theSe
three Courts of Appeal a party might drag his adversary on
any question that arose in the cause between them, on the ve-y
first step indeed in it; and it was common for parties to ap-
peal in some preliminary matters, in order to get out of the
jurisdiction of the inferior Courts. The Noble and Learned
Lord then proceeded to remark upon the importance of having;
some general place in which might be deposited the deeds
which affected the property of people in this country. Objec-
tions he said had been made—unfounded objections he thought,
to such an arrangement, on the ground that it might disclose a
history in relation to the titles which would not be desirable for
the parties possessing them. No such objection could possibly
be urged in respect to wills, because from the present constitu-
tion of the Ecclesiastical Courts all wills of personalty must be
deposited somewhere ; they cannot be acted on till they have
been so deposited, and till probate is obtained they are acces-
sible to all who have the good fortune of finding out where they
may be deposited. These wills then being accessible, nothing
could be more inconvenient than the having many places for
depositing them ; whereas it would be highly convenient that
there should to one place for that purpose and for probate—
the metropolis for instance. The Noble Lord then alluded to
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measure had been recommended in the report of the Ecclesias-
tical Commissioners, in 1832; that report being signed by the
Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bishops of Lincoln, Durham,
Bangor, and St. Asaph, the then Chief Justice of the King's
Bench, Lord Tenterden, the late Chief Justice of the Com-
mon Pleas, Lord Wynford, Sir Herbert Jcnner, Dr. Lushings
ton, and others. The Bill which he should lay on their Lord-
ships' table would carry into effect some of the provisions
suggested in that report c and that one of them, in which those
eminent Prelates had concurred for the destruction of the in.

ferior jurisdictions; the only point on which there was matter
of doubt, was whether they should all be destroyed? The Bill
left to the Bishops their jurisdiction over the Clergy, except
in certain criminal proceedings. It took from the Ecclesiasti-
cal Courts their jurisdiction in matters of tithe, and proposed
to transfer it to the Courts of Exchequer. It also proposedto
abolish the jurisdiction .of those Courts in respect to church-
rates, which it made the subjects of appeal to the Courts of
Quarter Sessions; and also in respect to those immoral prat.
tires, in regard to which the Ecclesiastical Courts claimed ju-
risdiction, but which it was here proposed to leave to the
common law. In matters of defamation their jurisdiction was
to be taken away, and provision was also to be made far regu-
lating the proceedings in sequestrations.
.Lord LYNDHURST—My Lords, the Commission which
has given rise to the measure propounded to you by the Noble
and Learned Lord on the Woolsack, was, in fact, formed by
the Noble Duke, my Noble Friend, then at the head of his
Majesty's Government. With respect to the composition of
that Commission, the manner in which the Commissioners dis-
charged their duties, and the report finally made by them,
whenever these subjects came under the con‘ideration of either
House of Parliament they met with unqualified praise. The
report of that Commission was made in the year 11132, the
Commission having issued in the year 1830. That report, my
Lords, was followed up by a Bill which was introduced into
sour Lordships' House, in the year 1833, by my Noble and
Learned Friend who then held the Great Seal, whose absence,
and toe cause of whose absence I, in common with many
others of your Lordships, deeply regret. That Bill was laid
upon your table, but it was proceeded in no further. When a
change again took place in his Majesty's Government, and
my Right Hon. Friend the Member for Tamworth was in-
trusted with his Majesty's Counsels, that Right Hon. Gen-
tleman particUlarly called my attention to the subject,
and he had repeated conversations with the presiding Judge
of the Court of Arches, and other Judges ; and the result
was, that in a short time a measure, corresponding in the ge-
neral outline, as well as in most of ITS details, with that now
introduced by the Noble 4nd Learned Lord on the Woolsack,
was framed. Before, however, any further step could be taken
in it, another change took place in his Majesty's Government,
and the subject has slumbered from that time to the present
moment, and I rejoice to think that my Noble and Learned
Friend has anticipated my intention of bringing the matter for-
ward by the introduction of his Bill. I say. I rejoice in it, be-
cause a measure of this description can only be introduced and
carried into due effect with the sanction and support of the Go-
vernment. I have reason to think, from what has been stated
by my Noble and Learned Friend, that our views on this sub-
ject are nearly the same. I shall give my best attention to the
matter, and I shall attend in my place, not to obviate any well
founded opposition against the principles or details of the mea-
sure. As a whole, I approve of it, and I apprehend that there
will be very little difference between us.
The Bill was then read a first time, and ordered to be
printed, and to be read a second time on Monday week.
Their Lordships then adjourned at a quarter-past 7.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, FEBRUARY 12.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at four o'clock.
BIRMINGHAM AND WARWICK RAILWAY.
Lord G. CAVENDISH brought in a Bill for constructing
a railway between Birmingham and Warwick, which was read
a first time.
Mr. A. J. SPIERS brought in a Bill for making a Canal
connected with the rivers Clyde and Cart, near Paisley. Read
a first time.

BLACKWALL RAILWAY.
Mr. ALSTON brought in the London and Blaekwa
Railway Bill

BRIGHTON RAILWAY.
Lord G. LENNOX brought in the London to Brighton,
by way of Shoreham, Railway Bill, which was read a first time.
BIRMINGHAM AND GLOUCESTER RAILWAY.
Lord G. SOMERSET brought in the Birtnial,Tham and
Gloucester Railway' Bill, and a Bill authorising the making of
a Railway from Birmingham to join the Great Western Rail-
way.—Both read a first time.
Lord CASTLEREAGH brought up the Report of the
Committee on the Belfast and Armagh Railway Bill.
'Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD brought in a Bill to light the
town of Reading with gas, which was read a first time.
Mr. BRODIE presented a petition from Gosport, complain-
ing of the conduct of the East India Company towards Mr.
Buckingham, and praying that that Gentleman might have
compensation awarded him.
SUGAR DUTIES.

Mr. EWART gave notice that, on Monday next, ha should
present a petition from the merchants of Calcutta, pra)ing for
more equal duties on sugar tobacco, rum, and other produce.
Lord A. CONYNGHAM presented a petition from Can-
terbury, in favour of the claims of Mr. Buckingham.
SPIRIT LICENCES.

Sir J. BECKEET presented a petition from the li-
censed victuallers of Leeds, complaining of the increased
duty on spirit licenses.
Hr. BAINES supported the prayer of the petition.
Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND also supported the
prayer of the petition. He had had a communication with the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, and he was happy to say the
Government had paid great attention to the subject, and he
had no doubt something would be done.
THAMES WATERMEN.

Mr. HAWES presented a petition from certainWatermen
of the river Thames, which, to a certain extent, he felt called
upon to support, as he knew that the petitioners were in a
state of great distress, owing to the great increase of steam
navigation. The petitioners prayed the House to pass a law
to prevent steamers from coming higher up the river than
Greenwich. He hoped the House would attend to the prayer
of the petition.
Mr. G. F. YOUNG had been requested to support the
prayer of the petition, and could bear his testimony to the truth
of the allegations contained in it. He knew that the petitioners
were in great distress in consequence of the improvements in
steam navigation, front which the public generally derived the
greatest advantages. He could not, however, express his con-
currence in the proposed mode of relief; but he hoped that
when the Committee of the Right Hon. Gentleman ( Mr. P.
Thompson) met to take into consideration the subject of the
navigation of the river Thames, the condition of the petitioners
would meet with attention.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. BARNA RD also supported the prayer of the petition,
and expressed a hope that something would be done to relieve
the distress of the petitioners.

The petition was then laid on the table.
NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT.

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Mr. HAWES gave notice that on Monday next'he would
present a petition from certain architects, praying that all the
plans for the building of the new Houses of Pa►liament, which,
had been sent, should be publicly exhibited.
CHURCH RATES. _

Mr. WILK S had;petitiotrt;;;s:;,signed only by three
individuals, which, however, proved that it was exceedingly
important that Government should, without delay, submit to
arliatnlnt 30. n phi fie the total abolition of Church-
rates.—( Hear, hear.) The petition came from Great Mar-
low, in the county of Buckingham, and the petitioners were
all of them Dissenters—one of them was a large paper
manufacturer, and the other was the largest farmer in the
county, and was assessed to between 3001. and 4001. a year
The amount now demanded was 201. They complained that
this rate had been made without their knowledge on Saturday
last, and that on the same day they were applied to
for payment. This church-rate was levied under a
special Act of Parliament, and no account had ever
been submitted of the manner in which the rates had
been laid out in the erection of the church, and though no
rate had been imposed for three years, the rate now made on
those who were resident in the parish amounted to Is. 4d. in
the pound. The application for the rate was made on Satur-
day last, when the petitioners told the applicant that before
paying it they would take the opinion.of counsel, as they con-
sidered that they ought not, without investigation, be compelled
to pay this rate. They were told, however, that they would
be allowed no opportunity of doing so, and on Saturday
evening they were served with a summons to appear before
the Magistrates on Monday. They diretted their solicitor to
attend, and he expressed a wish to have the matter
postponed till Wednesday, in order in the meantime that they
take the opinion of counsel. The magistrates refused to allow
Ithis indulgence, and warrants of distress were issued on the
Monday ; and in the three houses of the petitioners at this
moment there were distress warrants. Under such circum-
stances the House, he was sure, would see the propriety of re-
lieving these persons from the payment of church-rates
—( Hear, hear, hear)—and that a Commission should issue
to enquire into the accounts of the Churchwardens and Trus-
tees of this Church, in order that they might know if the
sums of money which had been raised had been properly ex-
pended. And that these persons should be at liberty
to attend before the Commission.
Sir WILLIAM CLAYTON, as one of the Representa-
tives of Great Marlow, begged to. support the prayer of the
petition. lie regretted the harsh treatment to which the pe-
titioners were subject. \Vhen they considered that the inhabitants of the borough paid no less a sum than 1,000/. pe
annum to the Dean and Chapter of Gloucester, and that when
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they applied to them for assistance in building a Church they
only received a sum of 30/., it was not to be wondered at
that they objected to the payment of Church-Cates. He
trusted the grievance complained of would shortly be remedied.
SUMMARY CONVICTIONS.

Mr. WA KL E Y said when the Hon. Member for Brighton,
last night, moved for a return of summary convictions that
bad taken place in the year 1835, he omitted to add, that
there should be furnished a statement, showing in how many'
instances the evidence on which the convictions rested had
been reduced to writing. He should now move for such a
return, showing in what cases the evidence had been reduced
to writing, and preserved as a part of the public records.
Mr. MILLS thought such a return could not be made out.
Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND was afraid there existed
no means of making out the return desired by the Hon.
Gentleman.
Mr. WAKLEY said the worthy Baronet misunderstood
him. He did not desire the evidence in every ease to be set
forth in the return; what he wished for was, that it should be
specified in what cases the evidence was taken down, and those
in which it was not.
After a few words from Mr. JERVIS and Mr GORING, the
question was put and carried.
POST-OFFICE REGULATIONS.
Mr. WALL ACE seeing one of the Commissioners of the
Post-office in his place, would qs-k two questions: one was if
anything had been done by the Commissioners in the way of al-
tering and improving. the raanagement and constitution of the
Post-office ? The 2nd question he had to put to the Hon. Gen-
tleman was, if there was any truth in the reports which were in
circulation respecting mismanagement in the packet depart-
ment of that establishment ?
Mr. LABOUC HERE was happy to have it in his power
to make a statement in reply to the questions of his Hon.
Friend the Member for Greenock; which ha was sure would

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by placing its management under the control of Commis-
sioners, lie had the satisfaction to state that the Commissioners
had made a decided recommendation to Government to that
effect, ',viz., to abolish the office of Postmaster-Gene-
ral, and place it in the hands of a' Board of
Commissioners, and that the Government only delayed
carrying that arrangement into effect, until a further inquiry
which was then in progress had been completed.—(Cries of
" Hear, heir.") With regard to the second question, he
hoped in the course of three weeks to be able to lay on
the table of that House a full and accurate report, containing
the information sought for by his Hun. Friend; and when the
whole case was before the House, they would be able to arrive
at a proper decision on the subject.
Mr. WALLACE expressed his extreme gratification at the
clear and satisfactory answer which had been given to his
questions by his Hon. Friend, and he trusted he might be
again permitted to trespass on the attention of the House by
putting another question, which he deemed of the greatest
importance-4 Hear, hear, from Mr. Labouchere)—that ques-
tion was, whether it is the intention of the Commissioners of
Post-Office Enquiry to recommend any change which would
put an end to a further outlay on the port and harbour of
Portpatrick.
Mr. L ABOUCHE RE in reply, said that the Commission-
ers had recommended a suspension of any further outlay, until
the report on that harbour had been made to the House as to
the expediency of dispensing with that harbour altogether.—
(" Hear, hear," from Mr. Wallace.)
MR. BUCKINGHAM'S CI:AIMS.
Mr. PEASE presented a petition from Darlington in fa-
vour of Mr. Buckingham's claims. The Hon. Member also
presented some other petitions, the nature of which did not
reach the gallery.
Mr. BAINES moved for a return of the names of all Jus-
tices of the Peace, acting for Municipal Corporations, on the
26th December last.
HULL AND SELBY RAILWAY.
Mr. BETHEL brought in a Bill for making a railway
from Hull to Selby, which was read a first time.
BONDED CORN.
Mr. D. JACKSON presented a petition from Youghal,
praying that the House would make no alteration in the law
relating to corn in bond.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
The House then went into a Committee of Supply, Mr.
BERNAL in the Chair.
Mr. BARING moved some resolutions relative to the
taxes on pensions, but the low tone in which the Hon. Member
spoke rendered it impossible for us to catch his observations.
Mr. HUME had not heard what the Right Hon. Secre-
tary had stated, but he understood they were about to vote a
sum of money along with that which was granted for the half-
pay of the army by the East India Company. He would take
that opportunity of asking the Right Hon. Secretary, what
steps had been taken relative to the taxes on pensions, which
had not been paid last year, and by which a great loss had
been occasioned to the public?
Mr. BARING (as we understood) said there certainly had
been an error or omission in not passing a vote for taxing pen-
sions.
Mr. HUME considered it extremely strange that individuals
receiving pensions, from which deductions ought to be made,
should take advantage of a mistake. He hoped the Bill which
Ministers intended to introduce would be passed before the
next quarter became due.
The CHAIRMAN then put the resolution, that two mil-
lions should be granted to his Majesty, to make good the
Supply.
Mr. HUME made a few observations, which were answered
by Mr. BARING, but which were totally inaudible in the
Gallery.
Several other resolutions were read by the CHAIRMAN.
Mr. HUME submitted whether, upon future occasions, it
would not be better to give Members some information as to
what the votes of Supply might be before they came into the
House—at present they had no information on the subject.
The House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be
received

PUBLIC COMMITTEES.
Mr. BERNAL then moved certain resolutions relative
:o the appointment of uommittees.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN rose to move an amendment to the first
resolution. His amendment was to add to the resolution the
following words—" And that in all cases in which 'the subject
matter referred to the concerns of the United Kingdom, that
at least two out of fifteen of the Members of the Committee
should be selected from the Irish Representatives." It
would be allowed that there were no Members in that
House who were more attentive to their duties than the
Irish Representatives, and yet the result of the calculation
which he had made was, that out of 194 Members who had
been named upon Committees for important public ob-
jects, only nine Irish Representatives had been appointed.
There were many of them subjects of the greatest pos-
sible interest, in which the Irish Members took as
eager an interest as the English Members, and he
therefore felt it his duty to bring the subject under
the consideration of the House. It should be recollected,

That whilst the proportion of the Irish Representatives was to
the rest of the, House as one to five, the proportion on Com-

mittees was only as one to twenty-one. -
Mr. EWA RT was understood to say that, he was sure the
disproportion adverted to by the Hon. Member must have
arisen from inadvertence.
Mr. FINN would suggest to his Noble Friend to withdraw
his motion, at the same time he must say that it was quite clear
that justice was not done to the Irish Members, and he trusted
that in the formation of Committees thev would pay more atten-
tion in future to the interests of Ireland.
Mr. O'BRIEN believed tin.-t, his purpose was fully
answered.—(Hear, hear.) He was willing himself to
forget that the two countries were separated by the channel,
but the only way in which Irishmen could ever consent to such
forgetfulness was their feeling themselves in every respect
their equals. He took it for granted that the omissions he
complained of had arisen from inadvertence; if it had arisen
from any contemptuous feeling, he trusted that the Irish Mem-
bers would know how to meet it. He was willing, under
these circumstances, to withdraw the motion.
Sir R. INGLIS wished to draw the attention of the Go-
vernment to this point--there were some Committees on which
many Members had been engaged, more or less, last Session ;
he thought it desirable that such Members should be re-ap-
pointed to these Committees.
Mr. ROBINSON thought there were many Members of
the House who were not brought forward, and who were most
anxious to serve. .

Lord JOHN RUSSELL made some observations, the im-
port of which could not be heard in the Gallery.
Mr. E. COOPER, as one of the Members of the Agricul-
tural Committee, assured the Hon. Mimber for Kilkenny of
his wish to receive from the Irish Members any suggestion on
the subject, and as one of the representatives of that portion of
the kingdom, would be ready to' act upon any, having for its
object the improvement of tho agricultural classes in that
country.
Mr. FINN explained.
Mr. HUME thought when Hon. Members did not find
themselves able to attend the Committees, they should report
the fact to the House, in order that others might be named in
their places.
Mr. HAWES said, that it would be quite impossible for
the shorthand writers, in Committees, to take down the names
of every Member who asked questions ; and he suggested that
some improvement should take place in that respect.
Sir ROBERT PEEL was sure that the short-hand writers
would at first find some difficulty in takinc, down the names of
Members, but a little experience would' shortly remedy the
evil. He suggested that the names of Members should be
posted on the door of every Committee-room, and it would be
well if the Chairman called out the name of each Member
putting a question, thereby not diverting the attention of the
short-hand writer from taking down what bad been said.
Mr. G. F. YOUNG thought that there were some Hon.
Gentlemen who had an anxiety to appear in print, and who
would on that account, if the names of Members asking ques-
tions were taken down, put many, in order that they might
appear to their constituents to be active in the discharge of
their duty.
Mr. CUMMING BRUCE, seeing the Hon. Member fur
Bridport in his place, begged to ask whether it was his inten-
tion to move for the re-appointment of the Select Committee
which sat last year on the subject of the medical profession 1—

(Cries of " 6-der.")
The SPEAKER begged to remind the Hon. Member tha
the business before the House, as the Order of the Day.

DEAN FOREST.

The House then went into Committee on the Dean For es

Commissioners Bill.
Mr. HUME begged to know what was the expense of this
Commission, who were the officers employed, what were their
salaries,
laughter. whether they had any duties to perform Loud
laughter.)
Mr. R. GORDON made some observations in reply, which
we could not catch. We understood him to say that one of
the officers was a deer-keeper.
Mr. HUME—Then I shall submit a motion to do away
with the deer. He would also submit a motion for a return of
how the deer were disposed of.—(Laughter.) It was right
that the House should know whether the deer were distributed
amongst the gentlemen in office.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL could assure the Hon. Gen-
tleman that since he had been in office he had received none of
the deer ; but he did not mean to say that none had been of-
fered to him.—( Laughter.)
MEDICAL EDUCATION.
Mr. CUMMING BRUCE begged to ask the Hon. Member
for Bridport, whether it was his intention to revise the Com-
mittee upon Medical Education of last session ? Or whether
he intended to introduce any measure founded upon the evi-
dence taken before it, for a change in the present system of
medical education ?
Mr. WARBURTON was most. anxious and interested
upon the subject of medical education, and it was his intention
to renew the Committee upon it.
ORANGE LODGES.
Mr. FINN rose, pursuant to the notice which he had given,
to propose a resolution relative to Orange Lodges in Ireland.
He had a duty to perform, and as he was actuated solely by a
desire to promote the peace and happiness of the country to
which he belonged, as well as to vindicate the character of
the Government. As the duty he had to perform was a pain-
ful one, he did trust, that as he had hitherto done in discussions
both in the Committee and in that House and out of it, he
should on the present occasion discharge it with unimpeached
firmness, and with courtesy towards those he so strong'•y
differed from.—(Cheers.) He implored the House to
extend its patient attention towards him. He could
assure the House, and he believed that many would concur
with him, that the system which it was his object to extinguish