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PARLIAMENT.

HOtIS4 OF 'll' Et RS.
THUItSD Y., JUNE la. I
COMMISSION.
. The Royal( Assent was notified, by Commission,
to about thirty public and private Bills. Among
the former were, the Irish Glebe.houses Bill, the
English and Irish Spirits Bill, &c. Sze;
The Commissioners were,. the Lord Chancellor,
the Duke of Mona rose, and Lord Walsingham.
ItOXBURGH PEERAGE.
The LORD CHACtiLLOII, in a speech of consi-
derable length, entered into it comparison,of a va-
riety of cases which had analogy to ihe claims now
tinder consideration i( but interrupted his speech, in
order to proceid.to the public business of the day, if,
that, however, did not occupy much time, hes,liould
resume his obseivations after the public business,
should have, been disposed of.
•
The Judges' Salaries Bill was brought up fromthe
Commons, and read a first time.
SALE OF SEATS l 4 PARLIAMENT.

LOrd.Ltvaaeook moved the Order of the bay
foi the .House to resolve itself into a Committee
upon the
.Bill for preventing the Sale of Seats in
Parliamen4 He should not detain their Lordships
with any detailed argument upon the subje& of the
but should content himself with a tew obwr-
vaiiens, which he conceived the nature of the tnea-
sureand the temper of the times would reqeire. In
recommending the Bill to the attention and appru-
bation of.their Lordships, he must beg leave to ob-
setre, that he did not consider it in any respell as
conneded with aquestion so often and sty, loudly
discussed, be meant that of Parliainentary.lieform.
His sentiments. upon that question, he believed,
were not unknown. During the course of his Par-
liamentary life he had often occasion forcibly to ex-
press them ; and they . were unitbrmly directed
against all those theoretic attempts to amend the
representation of the people in Parliament, attempts
which, he was fully convinced could never be betie-
fici,elly 'Meted to praatice: The present Bill had
no such aim, otherwise it should not have his sup-
port. Its great objet was to correct certain abuses„
or corrupt practices, which had, by length of time,
insensibly crept into the manner of returning Mein-
bera to sit in Parliament for certain places, anti who
obtained their seats by dim of money. This prac-
tice had, hoWever, long prevailed; nor would it be
an easy matter to ,trace it back to tip origin. Of late
years, indeed,' it had been carried 'on with less con-.
cealinent and management, and bad 'begun to ob-
trude itself with little or no reserve upint the obsers
vation of the public. It was not, however, till the
present period that it was openly acknowledged and '
distinaly avowed even in Parliament. Bin having
now been so acknowledged and ?to. avowed, It was
impossible pi pass it over unnoticed, 'or, without
some endeavour to correct such practices, and re-
dress such abuses. -This the present Bill bad in
view. But while it was directed to the correction of
these abuses, it would not encroach upon any of
the rights of election. Their Lordships unques-
tionably were by no means prepared to see all elec-
tions reduced to the standard of 'a Middlesex or
Westminster eleaion. It could escape no man with
what crying abuses such elections were accotnpa-
nied. What tem, tati3Ons they held out to perjury,
and to subornation of perjury I What enormities
of every sort they must naturally give rise to !: Yet
it was by no !ileitis his wish to impede the usual
march of such elections. Neither would he per-
mit any infriogemeet oT.' the elet ive. franchises of ,
those boroughs where the -number of electors were
very small. The nature of our representative sys-
tens was essentially a mixed one ; and it was from
this variety in the mode of -election that resulted that
mixture. • Without such a mixture, We should not
see in the House of Commons such a happy com-
bination of the different talents, and degrees, and
sorts of information so necessary for completely car-
rying on the complicated business of so vast and va-
rious a body as that of the'BritiSh empire. Neither
was .it the intention of the: Bill to suppress the ope-
ration of that influence," which arising troM pro-
perty, rank, consideration, and amity cennediue,.
must and ought to have its full weight in the, state
of the representation—its drift Was to prevent sor-
did traffickiug in seats; not to frustrateit be erred of
Influence, when .properly, honourably, and con-
stitutionally exercised. In this point of view he
hoped their Lordships would consider the Bill, rind
when so con6derecl, he doubted not bet it woUld,
meet :with their full approbation. He should not
now trespass longer on their attention;.deferring
what lie Might have' 10 observe on the particular
clauses of the Bill until it went into a Committee.
Earl GILOOVIMOR could not subicribe to 'all the
sentiments of the Noble Earl who preceded him.
The Bill, in his mind, could not at ';di be. attended
with the beneficial effeds.which the Noble Secretary
seemed disposed to ascribe to it. On the contrary,
he was of opinion it would be productive of no
good, and tnielit be attended with much mischief.
It had .indeed a very imposing title—a very spacious
preamble; but in this respect, it appeared to resem-
ble these modern romances, in the binding of which
there was an ostentations display cf morocco and Old ;
but the contents of which too otten proved destruc-
tive of virtue and morality. It would weigh hea-
vily on the lighter offences; but touched very 'ten-
del ly on the heavier ones:, Above all, he must ob-
jet to the clause where the weird' " express' had
been so fatally introduced. This and other altera
lions in the framing ()Ellie Bill made it wholly diffe-
rent front that, which teas originally introduced.-
But the attempt at such a transformation of the mea.
sure would not' go down with the Public. Mini-
sters in so altering the, Bill, may. have out witted the
HonoUrable and Independent Gentlemen who
brought in the Bill; but they could nut succeed in,
out witting the nation. 'The avowetfand glaring ex-
istence of these, abuses had made a deep and wide
impression upon the people, and it was stow neces-
sary to adopt some etledual measure to correct them.
Inked, he anxiously hoped the day had arrived
when some successful endeavour would be made at
the attainment of a temperate- reform.; 'such are-
form as that great Statesman (Mr. Pitt).. had pro-
jected, and which it was lira wish to,see carried
into execution. Beyond that lie was not prepared to
go.

Lord. Sipstou*Tti approved of the principle of the
see it go into a Committee.
'1 he Pritt he could not however befit regard as defee-
life,' and ht: ttirleti that 10 t ie CUlDoiittlCe it

reCere soch,atiu,ntina' entg 'is writ-Id render it
.g:e0:-:.
t.leilit:)o' ir)r)ii.''t."(')..bokr'olp'-'olsle'L.:;oryffl'ilitli'gii'st'iririt,)-.111.8t;'-t'ildi4,end.!,),-,:.4r
its passing into a• law. For much, yery much . in,
• deed, would be Obtained by haying a Bill with Lat.l.d.l
a title and such a preamble recut ded in thii-Jourital.s
of Parliattient. lb would ati-Ord a grbhod upon t.v,hi,:ii
to stand on a future -day for further improvetneriC.
for the Bill had in- it all the elements of expapi..lo
and tali:lice-36°n, and if it were to be Jost in the
present instance, it might, be very, long. before
,a4v
ocbasion again occurred for the" adoption'of, SLICII
a measure. Deleaive, therefore, and ineffectiial ..s
it undoubtedly wffS ih many respeels, Ite,felt exceert;
ingly anxious that it shohld be entertained 4 their
Lordships.
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Lord CAnysvoirr conk! not give hi:,ar.,;ent 'to ,tlid
Bill. It could beattridea with no good, and migh.c
be prodkiive of much mischief. It wascurtaiiionlr
. of increasing the influence of the Crown.apd the,
iiatioriage of Allinisters. Besides its title Al pre-
amble was ealculated. to raise a delusive hOpe vitheii
its prOViCiOni.would never-realize: It was.cakhlaied
only.to praelice.a gross nnpostorc.cn the public, ! .
Lord Boitainhnon supported the Bill, ittittcer-
tended, that so far from being invperativ.e, its pro-
Visions must produce the most salutary effects. NO-
ble Lords had only fairly to
,exainint: them ; and .
, they must be convinced that not, only they • could
not be prddlidive of tnisthiel;.latit that they tOmt
be atteuded with the most beneficial consequeneas.
A Noble and Learhed Ltird (Erskine) had well oil:
serited with regard to another Bhl, the ititrodui:.tion
of which reelected so much honour on that Learned. _
'Lord's humanity, .viz. that, the Mere existence 0.
the prevnble of his' Bill in thb Statute Book must
impress sentiments of the most salutary tendency. lit
might say t4c,satne of the present ; for sure he waj
that if it passed initi a be' tt would go• a great lengtlt
in correCting and suppressing ihe corrupt pra;:t,,-cs
and abuses which Were °tisk acknowledg,A to prevail.
in the returning of Members to serve in Parlianieut.
Lord Rossi.-rbl argued at some length atr:ailm the
Bill, and re, robated the inequality with which it .
wool i Operate on die daft:tent classes of the cotn-'.„
munity.

Lord SiLKIRK objeoed to the Bill as recognizing:
an errOneals% principle, which at some future periu.i
Might he catried to a dangerous eXtent.
The Earl of BUCtiltl4llAMstiliii, although he
,knowledged that the'Bill tell -t
ery far short of ttit
expetlations which he to‘
it, yet as it laid down a great principle vWdcli it wa4
the duty Of Parliament, to cherish; he ttecLired his
intention of wiling tor its going into a Committee.
Lord'iVidLoa A.,VE argtied at considerable leti,oll in
support of the Bill.
The.Marquii. of DoUGLIS declared,:. that in tiit;
opinion it was a measure Wholly deltisive.
The House'dien tesolved:uself into a Committee
on the Bill. . .

Earl GhosveNort proposed the omission of :he
word " expreii," 'stating,
,at
,A.e. same time, .that
he did not mean to recommend the substitution of
the word " itnplied."
'The Loan Cuariczt,t.ort opposei thli amend.
ment. If the offence, asain,i • which the hilt was
directed were at present an oilence apinst the como,
mon lituv, the introduction of the Word " otpre4s;"
would tend to render the punisll,ent more Se ‘ere;
if it were riot an offence ape t, tie coin on Iris.
it would tend to inflict a pimisinnem precisely on
that part of the gehertil oficnce which it was:le,i,t
desirable to punish. Adverting to. the question cat
Retbrin; he declared that had ever been hostile to
tit. On this subjett he:had always differed Ircitu
late Right Eon. Friend, hlr., Pitt. ~ He ,believed
however, that towards the close of his life Mr. Pot
himself thought well of those who had resolutel,v

opposed eveiy attempt at, or proeeeding, tht4.oons!:-
quences of which might so seriously endangerevery
valuable institutions in the eatintry.
The Committee divided on tho amendment pro-
posed by Lord Grosvenor.
for the Aniciiciiiicift
,Against it

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hi ajority

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l'he. other clauses of. the Bill were theta gone
through; the. House was resMned, and the lidt,
was ordered to be read a third time to-morro,i,.

The remaiuing orders of the day having' beeit d:3;
posed, of,' the lio adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS. •
• THUEStIiY, JUNE 15.
• At three o'cldck, the Deputy Usher of the
Rod summoned the Speaker to the House of Peers;
to hear his Majesty's Assent given by Cocnniissied to
several public and private Bills.
Mr. , PAR N14..1. gave notice that he would the frst;
day the HouSe sat, movetertain resolutions respect»
Mg the tubes in Ireland.
A Nlesitage from the Lords announced their Lni:!..
Assent to the for preventing Atitis4..s ita
in the Sale of Offices. The ittsli lieventie hegoia-
tion Coffee
, the African Coee Duty, the Frteudly 5.14.. it:
ties Bills, &c.
Mr: OW EN, from the East India House,
ed a return of the number of Writers and C,itie4
,
appointee since the Year; 1793. Ordered to 1).;
printed. •
Mr. Hosx.issoN brought up accounts' of the pti.:7-
chases Made in the three per cents., by the C0111111i3..
siotiers for the Reciutlion of the National Doi,'
alio those' of the, amount of the four and'
eeut. Duties, which, after a short conversation by-
tvveeo- Mr. Creevey.,l. r. Huskisson, :Lord' Fell‘..
StOpe, and the nt.lhaticellor of the Es.coetitrer,
ordered to lie .oit the. table.
:I.'lte,Cll,4l4C„a4Loll Of the EXallEQuea gave notice
be intended to propose that the period 'tor britting',
in private Petitions in the neat Session Should' be, It
tinted to fourteen days.. He. Aso intended submit.,
tang to tiled, in conssquetice of Soiri;.! of their' latt;
resolutions, the: propriety of ordering thst'ail'privai C.
Bills should pa 's through the' bands ot. one or doi
'Clerks of the !!:Rinse beforre they came betove
who should then be responsible for their Actirliz:,
He then moved that a Petition' should be itiesente,‘.
to. his ,IVlajtaity, riving that lie would be graciolist‘i
pleased to confer some dignity iii the ChUreli 016'
the Bev. Charles Proby, Ctlapl iu of thin Elva;; .°
USUAL. GRANT.Cii4Ncnt.i.oa ut the Exchutiosi moved cci-
dresses to his Majesy, prayiitg that woti:o tau
graCidully pleagud to give directions tor istiinctt,t;
tullos.Ving sums :
To Mr.-Wharton, Citaibliao of the; Conlinittees of
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To C kin nrs,,n, evuty Serje -nt
such ti,im lIC fees and erriolurnenis, will •

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Which k4er..• -agreed to.
The Jotig;.-h' was read a third time
And pose
CaVANtY Moved. tbat there be hod before the,
flotvie Acc.erao►ts o' the Produce of the Isle of MAI
Skilce the Vcia' r t 7 i, as ii‘o of the Product of the
I.4llols',6itat4tetl to Lord...A::

AID TO Ttik; PATIOUTS:
COCH,RANO widaed to call tine attention of
diet-loci-4:: to the ,stthj,ct fat affording assistance to
the.S.pattich cause, f.n the tade of Catalonia; con•
cftrchug wiiich, it Ministers, during the reces4, did.
no, „bolt some ettei:tive,tneasiare 12 that purpose, he
should feel it ilk -duty, early.in the et4suing.Se3bion,
to make a Inotion on the qttlie6t,
PARLIAMEN I M Y REFORM.

Sir F. BUIDaTT, in stating to the House his sen-
timents with respect te, .a Parliamentary Reform,
hoped- to put a slop to thole misrepresentations
Which had gone abroad, with resptet to his cantina
at:d imentions. The. misrepresentations be alluded
to, he did hot state proceeded from a malicimis
tive, from any with to lower him unfairly in the
estimation of the public ; those who circulated them
he was to believe, were mistaken in his
character ; lie however felt, his &lei to himself and
the public called tie:Ori him to explain away every
thing ake ambiguity, with respect to the Motives
by which he was actuated. In bringing, this sub-
jeacit b tore the House, it was not his intention to
propose that they siould mine to a decision on any
specific plan that he might have framed on the sub-
ject of Parliamentary Reform ; but atter stating his
opinions coolly and &slimily to the Douse, he
would call on them for a pledge, that they would la
the next Session. take into their consideration the
state of the representation of the people. The •sub-
i3ect, it was true., had long engrossed his attention,
ut his °ennui)» were not rasial, expressed, and still
less ~had he etnteavoured to disseminate disuohtent
among the people, without knowing what the ob-
ject was he. wished tia'attain, ansf width* when at.
Mined, .would lessen the grievances-6( which they
comphined. In his opinion. nothing could be more
repienensible than the eolit:Et which had been un.
j•istly aariScit,al to him ; namely, making the
• peolii • oissatistittd when no grievances existed; or
exciting disceffient bf proclaiming those grievances
to which a remedy could not he applied. Such
an taiputation his cimenct had aiever
In ,expressitigaliose sentimeuts, which in jll,sllce- to
himself hecoidd not suppress, he would endeavour
to abstain from commehting at any 14.-neili on those
evils witch heconiodered-as resulting from the cor-
ruptions that ras londly called fora Pailiameotaty
form -he would also 'be careful not to let fail airy
expressions that might excite the indignation, or
Call forth the asperity-of eiiiier party in that House,
It was nor his wish to tretedace dissension, but to
unite both parties in. an amicable &scussitin:
,however, be necessary for him to notice
certain doctrines 'which • had been broached,
which he considered as stanilitig on an
tial; basis. In•dhing this he svoult; first shew hmt e
the misehiet complain-d of arose, and secondly
that the remedy was practicable, an,n.
Shitell: with the Co!itilitititill at 11),, IVba
could shew that t,ie system might he easily acid with
reformed, by'relei ring to the laws of the lard,
he trusted such a letri-dy would not bo opposed as
endangormg the best interests of the couniry. Cor-
ruption tat been stated to be essential to the Con-,
steution. - Its CaUSe had, short* been so lar.auvo-;
eared; that it .should seem corruption was not tole-
rated tor the sake of the Constitution, but the Clan.
strution was ideraled for the sake of corruption.
He aihnitted the iiitliicnce of,the Crown was just
and necess.iry, •to a certain to the stability
of the, Constitution. With 'respea to the cfnauption.
growieg a•ith 'our groWth and strengthening as we
strengthen, • as had' been asserted, it was to be re-
. membered, . that in that Case tie seeds of. de-
struttion grew with our growth and strengthened
as we gained strength.. They ought to be ar-
rested in their progress. , The Constitution ought
not to be snared to fall to decay when. we had de.
tetra the disease. Corruption had Sometimes been
'spared because the instances in which it had been
alleged to exist, were considered as. unworthy of
notice, at others it had not bean punished because
st was of such magnitude, that every etlbrt to crush
it must prove nugatory. At one time it hail been
btatCd, that the .corruptions were trilling—mere
cheese parings. He rememberetra proverb,. which
might perhaps be,not improperly applied to the case,.
which said, " all the icing's cheese goes in parings."
It was,now stated, .that it hd,grown aolarge, that
it it nnj ossible to.step ~Whichever might be-
the NM, heithought we could not do betterthan
pose it ; It it was thought useless to attempt to check
the dial am:, it. uIUSt at.t supposed s e were rapidly
kistening towards a dissolution ; that, was DM hiS
opinion—he thought corruption might yet be re.
strained such a House of Commons as the peo.
.ple bad a right: th, eipeCt, composed of men who -
were feally renreseutatives ortheitation. The tines-
tions.which it d beets recently agitated in t : FL
he had been' told had nothing to .‘lO with a P rlra-
mcntaryy 11.,:balq;
~but he ehwiici,!4l,,d then its intl.
mildly con:we-Jed .xith it. lt 104.1 been asserted 'that
men unlit always tteiti• mixed motive;; that
dcolect.:
,a titan could not be said-to iron' mike('
motives because 3 number of Mot ryes coneurrLd in
impelling him forward to one.. particular point.- A
number of rivers rnght:lead to the sea, tutuit did not
thence follow that they were mixed; -Tlitsaluctrine, '
though it had brut), Ik iUnd:COOVIM lei) I, such
Was Cutlotenhoced, anti (be Motives of, (ienderneu
'were' Shi,posed to be mixed 114 certainaceounts 'were
n short tune ago. . Aimther deCititre,tliat - had bteti
very generally preached was, thar winie. the twits
of the cu;wittitas ere ea,tire tatat.wjtich was illost
valuatile MU3t ideas (tithe Con-ti:nt:on
were drawn, the laws of the land. He admit.
*led the pwogativeof the:Crovim, was a Part of the
law ia the lie.d ; he neycr ,had spoken against it,
but who::, it 11.0 been imptoperly, extetited,tbrough
the induence of such a .Heuse as that. He wished..
to restore the balance between the 'or the

of .1 Contitutioo et hen the mere substantial parts
were tem.; Wesel,. lilelet benefit eye. the /Ivo-nice—
% lettf evasellease, thee ptittlatelic as described by
Taeitos, in the 1414..1.0—Tiberius " The state. of
.the country, saidetWeithost deplorable and hope-
less, because while_ despotiann4xisted, its ty emu •
e:faa carried on uisdee !the fdrfos of freedom." The
more tliey were opereeied under' the term of tree-
shim, the more deplorable was their situation. Some
peotile were very *eels alarmed at ict.et of any
thing like inimvetieo. Lord Bacon' said, " "Fiaie
inasmuch the greatest! innovator of all, inasueh as he
changed all things." If, while Time changed every.
thing around them they stood stple he thought in
,1
remeinimeestationary they•becanie the greatest Metre
eaters. !bitten- horoteghs were the consequence of
the innovations of From she tithe of William
the.FirN to that of Willie* the Third, such a syse
tern as the present wag onknown. The Knig, when
vendaig, forth his writs toeortvene the great national.;
assembly, , would not have thought Of sending write;
to St. Mawes, to Garton, and to Cald Sateen, to .;
procure representative; of those rotten bornigha,ae,
they werenow procured. The adaiission. of the:Pre li
-
sem. system; was, he contetided, at once depriving,
the Crown. of its prerogative,
.and
.the peopletirt heir
rights, and had even the effed of holding up the;
King as- the enemy of the people ; The Crown
ouge t to possess great and e'xtensise privileges,' yet
at the ssuse time there ought to, be a proper check
ore those privileges, when improperly exercised.--
He did not wish to put a sword into the hands of
the peopleeo destroy whatever might beconee oh.
tiexiaus td. them, but he wished to provide them
with a shield to defend them from those evils which
might assail their dearest rights as men, as English-
men. A document issued by James L• was extant,
in whit! writs were ordered hot to be sent to rotten -1
boroughs ; several other decoments of a similar na-
ture were in existence. He maintained that the rot- ;
ten `borough system had an erfect exactly the'reverse
of that which it wea expeEtcd to produce, as, while
' it trenched on the prerogative of the Crown,, it was
far from having a tendency.to•extend the privileges'
of the people. : t.hed called a third party inteexe
istence, which had risen both against the• King-end
the Pedplee , His wish Wail. to _unite- the King and.
the people, by a bond as Miered as permanent,' by, •
allegiance on the tele bend, and protedion on the
other. This' salutary' change, he th,ought, might
be easily effected.. Lord Coke had 'said, that any .
departure from an est Wished system was generally
attended by evils, great as they were, unforeseen. •
The truth of that assertion was amply ocemplitied
in the mischief' which the introdudion at the
binieughemongering system had given birth to;—
The people, he maintained, had 'a right to a voice
ip' that House, which, by the •present•system, they':
were precluded irons having. If 157 borough-
mongers could return a majority in, the .House of
Comm:ens, they were i.n gad the sovereigns of the
country, and over the King they; could oppress the
country with What taxes theyAhoeght proper', and
at arc- trettiple on both, King 'mid, reoplte . This
syaem he could only consider as au evil excrescence,
which hal'grewn out of the; Moos :Mons of time,•
• and become alike inimital to the Netion and.
Misna,el). 'evithoitt waking' any change in the '
Censtinution, biit only lav petting that into, attion,
which the Constitution put into their hands, griev-
ances of such magnitude .cooly be done eway, he
trusted the:,country end. that House would 'concur
. with him in theepropriety rsf died:, hag the reneeh,e
Whatever grievances might exist they 'could be
done away by such a House
.as the nation had a
right tne demand ; or it they could not, the im-
possibility of redressing them. Would •be Made ob-
vious to the people,. elite in that case would con-
tentedly subeoeto them, Aftkr some turthler obi
servations• on the advantages of the proposed,. -and
the ...inconvenient ies of the present, system, 'the
,Honourable Baronet adverfed to . the situation 'of
•.,Ireland, which he said had long ioccupied iris
attention That country he thought . would de-
rive
infinite benefit from the mea Sure, while Go-
vernMent would be' relieved of that ;which must''
press heavy on them. It was difficult for him to
speak on that subjed, 'without a risicol breaking the
rule he wished to adhere to, by expressing himself
with more warmth than he wished to chew in that
debate. He would wish to unite Ireland to England
ins a way very,different in which she' had totheitd
been , united. The Union which had taken place
was contrary to the wishes of the people,; and had
been followed by a system of intolerance which might'
not to be tolerated. She had beets treated as it she
had not been connected with this country; with a '
narrow-minded 1)041 ,which teething .could. jristify.'
Was,it to be, thetaghtethat fuer millions of 'people
.should submit eontentedly to be made aliens• its the'
bosom of their native land.? It could not, ought. not
• to be endured. There' was an easy way of meeting 1'
• all those grievances, by 'bringing Ireland within the
• kok, of the constitutiou, losing: sight of party,
sects,
.&c, He wished not only that atriple crown
should he placed on the head of, the King. but that
cept re restored,w filch waset present held andestirped
by the 157 Horough-tuoneers, who only ,left- hint
the;ensubstential-pageantry ut a great Monarch. He
was now wider the necessity of balancing the claims
of contending parties, of reconciling • clashing
in-
ter sts, so that he resembled- a rope-dancer more
'than e King, as he was obliged to be incesaandy
bolancin; keep his slippery elevation. He by
vire ging a change so essential to the welfare of the
country ould place the Throne on a rock. These
ht e s,, and on as he hadbeen to ex-
plain and justify his con net, he trusted that it would
ecalieright that ee htta acted a fair, art open, and a
,manly part, that trots that thee t'ssrward his er,mtis
sums es a ul l be kbSIVIA distinetly antiptecfsety, and
its such that i!,!, rhottyee would cease to be nilsrepre-
'schted. Corruption, it had been said, lied existed
fi-Otn the *volution, hut now abuses had crept in
which exceeded any tllat that Revolution had reme-
died. The n,,non aethat period was. not its debr, but •
tow we had seem Weed sudebt of seven (weight hon.;
drcd thought were the people fairly
represepteni,ittilight be much. reduced, or it' it Could
not be paid, ,shut at leant:: means..Migiit be found to
saistithe people that it was impraCticable, and thus
re'c'oncile them, to ell unavoidable evil. ' When ex-
-I,,,,iitilents on .In, subjet4, he nail In-
turtaly it:framed team email% ghat:dines truer earl-

tsar lie that whirl) Lord Cote said V. surpassi4g
all Other authorities had no telloW," the laws of the
country. He livanted..the support of no infutior ad-
thdritjes : ,but' if he had, withted stichs'. a would •
have found nodilliculty hi bringing-such' forw.ard.—
It was singular that rho e gr-at Statesmen, Mr. Pitt
and Mr. Fox; lost all their eloquenee.- on that
,sub-
jei...t. But that the liott,se having such a ITM, of bo-:
rough-mongers to ;nflnoice its decisions, 81sutlid op-
pose such a ellinge was not to. he wondered at at all..
A3l be ,would attempt tO do was, to,lay down'sOrne
few simple regulations,. which he s:(4.ltd not submit
to 'them as'illesolt'ition4, but merery as proi:ositipns,:
Which he would thenJead,

had

" `That all freeholders, householders, and.
otheis, directly 'paying lite taxes, .should .have a
voice direil the affans of the State,, by being al-
lowed 'a
vbte.i"

"4 • 2. The country. to he subdivided. into distrias,
eaali subdivision, to return a. Meniber to Parliament."
(4-4. ,Everyeledlor to vote in his own parish, and
the Parliament brought back to its:original term of
.duratiot,". •
The adoption of those simple propositions would'
at once-do away- it 3 statutes Which had been 'made
to guard
.thepurity- of election, but which had so
completely failed to answer the purpose. It would
do away. all odious religioui distiottionS, • end popu-
lar elettions, against Whielt so much bad been said.
There would then be none of. that false patriotism
which an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Windham) had
spoken of—illustrating his subjett by the example
of a wealthy brewer, " who disappointed of a job
determined on gding into the independent line."*--;-.
There would then be no mobbing, no rioting. Gen-
tlemen seemed to think this tot likely to be the•re-
'suit of what be proposed. If he drew an nefair in-
fertnee, he was open. to coiwittion, having ,no
wrest hut that of the country at heart.-!•--But be did
not think, if all the elections were begUn and finish-
ed in one day, and on, the same day (as they might
be), each voting' own partsti, as he prepoted
they shotild do, that there could be muck rioting
and mobbing He thought it wouhl moreover get
;id Of a great deal of troublesome liiigatiott ; that no
temptation .wotild remain to offer a bribe ; in-short,
that a great deli of good might thus be ettetted,
without giving cause, of complaint to any one but, the
lawyers, attornies, and the King's primer. He bad
one!) heard the 'Grenville AO .spoken of in very
hid]. terms,.but that was a remedy wind, no utait,.,
unlesS iininetiiely rich -indeed, could naiad to have
recourse to twice. Having taus distinttly stated his
()Pillions, 'and the object he had in siew, laew hOpe.
by shoold no longet'be the' bott of txlisrepresen.a.
Ito°. He would not revert in anger to. the past, he
said,tuf what a Worni would say, if it could speak,
" Tread on me no more." Tne attainment of the
objt':t he had spoken of was all he wished to accom-
pbsh, higher than that he did not aspire, and lower
be thought he could not descend. All he sbt.uld
propose was, that the tionse should pledge itself
to take into consideration,early in the next Session,
the state of the:representation of the people.

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Mr. Alderman C QM;BE aec,,nded the motion.
The CHANCEccon,of the EXCUEQUER thought it
was not rational to expeCt the 'House would give
the pledge required. I:on. Baronet lad'spoken
as it he 'had: beta pal-tic:lll;ll...y 6;;116..(1 911 to expiHiu his
COOdUa ;Jle'did not wt.eni or by whom, he
had been so called upon. Nu spo'ke it the ~ir~~lile
requited a, earliamiquary the Hon.. Baronet
might he in the habit ot convetsing with persons who
thought such a change necessary, but the great beJy
of the people, jiere 1 united 'against it, The Hun.
Baronet thinks the adeption of his:regulations would
prevent all 'contested eleklions. Did he Oppose that
one person would be 4bund in every district', for
whom the people would give their: unanimous:std.-
giages that thole would be. no oppo,ition IQ his
Surely two persons would. be likely to op-
,pOse each other, when there would be catmit4ing,.
and- as eiueh'eemptation to bribe -those electors as. if
they were 40-shilling ones. These proposals, too,
;.:went to simplify the. 'qualifi4ations of an elealor,
every person who paid to a 1.3 X in any One ytiY, (Sir
Francis !here said, -if he paid dired' laxeB.) cb, if
i be paid the assessed taxes, the property tar, or the
he 'was to he a voter. Why then itould
pbr ir ie. lee:' it.
would
ary that each voter should prOve that he
paid !tow to substantiate his claim to a vote; all that
must be prOved at t be election booth.. Yet this pion'
was to himphly the Whole business pi an .efettion
much. IF diese regulations hatt:the etlett:Of doing
away ti 3-statutes, upon his word, he thought sdme
very large one would he •wanied instead., It only
. seemed likely to pi•eetit,:biibeTy, as tit tended 'to
render a- Seat in that HoUSPso ,contemptible that .4'
would be rather Shunned than sought after,, Unless
• he 'mild. divest men's minds 'of •those passioril- by
which; they were now ae:tuateo,.his regulations would-
uSele,s. He thought the proposal was not of
sufficient consequence, to juvity.,ibis- taking up the
, time of the House by going hat-titer into it. -- It was
merely to state that such a
,pledge could not be
given. • .

MADDoots said, the question whether.
they should he amused--by a show of the Con.,tit it-
lion., or possess.theinselves of-the reality. He thought
they. could not-do better than admit the re'spe6litbie
'householder to a vote., Had that house, lzevn
with the ,real representatives -01' the notion, tuany
decisions given in the- course of .ill` Session, he
ihOOght, would have been quite the-re.verse of what
they were. `Adverting lathe charge preferi-ed againn
Lord Castlereagh, hi said the facts of, the case were
admitted to be true, with the eliception; tl.at Lora
Castlereagh did nut require 'Dirk to leave hii
seat. in thatease, Chu resolution of t 739 had beet,
quitodisregardd. .A partial iropmement he thought
.of ho use, There were.strong giound4, in his opi-
nion, tor giving the -pledge.

Sir 'ROBERT WILLIAMS thollgiit 010 Hon. Bayonet.
meant well, but that, he Was inftinicd by those who,
were initnical `to the Constitntion. He was ever
ready to opposecOrrUpt ion, but did -not approve of 4
telorte in tliat- House. being conmenced on! oldoors.
—He thought the Honourable Baronet ought not
19 have come tot Ward. ow sneli a- illestion, He
understood that tie ,Uonourablet lireriet had
stated that the only. spot . in 'Eng-tincl where ail
Euglisliindu was ‘`caluniniated and treated with cob•
totnpt was tilt). House of ..Coraintthic',. trio ficm,

Y,A1.4.4.6/140.
S,r &Lt. opposed
.the motion.
Gentleman he v, ould nut CallSdat .10 it:TIOVe one
btl(.4i from the fabric of our Constitution lest the
;vigil should, lie endangered.
Mt..HoTcrussoN thought the lions Baronet had
been tztAKintliy treated wl.en be came "lOrwmi'd to
1 Oat: his ideas of a Parliamentary Retiri tn. Tbogh
they had. just rei.on in fear los!tig dint which %tits
good in;seekium,b. something better-, yet he te:t it i.is.
duty to state, that in his, opinion a Partiamentiry
:'ll-.lOrrn was necessary. Tlic Hon.. Gentleman cuu.,
clUded, supporting die motion.
WySTERN had been a constant fiend Pir.,
Jiamentary Reform, .and had. voted ft,r.' it when th*
'Measure %Tfas proposed in the y,ears. 1793 and 170.
Fronk present 6rcumst.,nces, be did not considerit
a measure of less necessity,no,w than it was then.:
thipti the whole, lie should be most happy to tali, ui
with the 'motion of the Hon. Baronet.
BA}MA.M did not think there would be ,alit
hesitatitin in adopting what would remedy a wt
/creating dissatihtadton on the part of the pi ople,
accOnnt of th mode of representation,. it stun
satioaction did exist. 3itt whenever that tneasuP
should be ag..in. brought for‘Vard, 11$.t bhould oe t,
Oiled. to ask.of ti_onourable Gentlemen 4t)
titan of what they meant by restoring, the (;ol,ill-"k%
tion to its original shape He was corupl, irlY 811
lOU to disco r that original purity to
Gentlemen adverted, anel'he felt convinced that tl'e!
people would in fad be lusersby being brou6lit
to their foriner state.
Sir T.-I:taros would vote for any measure of
pledge to take into consideration the state of rePr'l
sentatiou but be wold not concur with the p 1 01.
the 'Hint Baronet, to which„, in his miftdA meet
.were considerable objedintis..
" Mr. B4IIIIANI, expliuned.• •
Mr H. "taAcgy: defended tl,e general 0064'1°
of Palliamentary ltetnrin, and. I indicated the ingot'
ingtof the 'people wh.eit constitutional!,), turtD.o4*
asb'ecattAt: Gtpitlernen «inflected with' tueasilxe
this ali the honors of a French Revolution that
they had ebjeclions to discusS it. Srsch,an
however, like the cry, of invasioo., and c, no Poplrfx
he trusted, w';l4 at ari cud, The H.on, I.3.aranet u:,4
required a pledge of gtt inKeun ,Rierition. to this.
nett, which, from. recent vditiissions iki.tha4
0e was disposed 10 think shouldv
into. lie shonid-therefore)give ills d,ecic tci vote
the motion of iI e Hon. Baronet.
Tht, gnilery being cleared the 44114'
.
bers were,

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e'er the raotikirk „ &;
I• lig!tina tit - - v - 24.
- Majority agaipst the:11104On .
Strangers were then re-:admitted, hut ex.:100
again ui•on .the question of going into,, Comiliii"
on Animal Cruel:), Prevention J;1:10, TO LIMO.
• cilvideti on this question,. ' •
A)es 37-461ortty t 0...
The Bul consequently lusr.
Toe House ti,e,ka,diourned Oil Aloaditf

Captain Agan, who watched him.:vif 0.1\3(04
se'ntnght r bat of a hundred, to go rive "litt
.
halt ad hour, Hod to walk the
tits, ii.vo
flutes, accomplis.bed:hts task otx /1114: 5,iii,414J1•04,
yesterday, with 'tansideratile vise, "Vitoi was, tlki
first attvmpt o. k.7aptaio Agan, who witinow brco.l4
a peur.fstrl:til a.,ilettuteA Ge luviu4r an.uther, tutnca„
in hand. ,

i

- -
A foot race was . run on the. ..lereford R°o4
on . N2onday i3SI, for 500 guineas, bet woven 3 o,li
tt
:Jones,, a \Velctunan,. ano Wtlliams,
Lancashire man. -,The distance was 39. miles ;.‘l,l')'
limns had, thelleat of 'the first 20, btg .140,0
after passed him and won the race, wl4ich wt.'"
con tesied, in the space clt three hours ant 'bra lair"
tees: oii,s challenged any man in 4,:,agland flat
pkddistanCe for any stmt.

CORONE,WS 14Q.CEiT.--41) was .1343
'yestvrthiy,. at,tlie Hope publte.house, .on the Ei6t)4:
Road, on the body.oi a.Gentletnatt iif.• the minx of
Purdy, who hung autidily
deceased, it• typeared,- Wit.iorrneriy an
the.- artny, in winch service he recrived 6evir4.l
wounds, one of which at intervals rendered hit
cabpale of managing his nsoli. He went out for aW.
after breatttait-on Monday, but did not ;mutt, A 11t1:
ustr.,l tinie, and in the couf,t. of the day be .
luny ~iip:l4led from a Leant in • an* Otit-11°-•
quite dead. He ,was a widower, and ha 114'' '"1 •
v