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titre -in that country; hut train :43.3:ery thinghe
heard, there:, ivas no ground forsnoli

Sion.

At all eve-nts, if the theature'wa he de-

seated,. it should be in the face of dav:--(11rior,
hear..) It 'should not be involved ht t:lnit Mist of
obscurity, which,:as the Poet said, Was better than
night for such as had ill deig-ns. He should
sorry to leave et.e House with the consciousness of
having defeated such a question by fraud. If he
thought that the Constitution could not stand
without these -la w:;, he woald cOine boldly' forth
With that opinion, and utter it. He would now,
conjure them to consider that the peace and seen,
city of the Eanpire depended upon ate 10:11.. 'No
than admired more than he did those gre4t theolo:-
gidal authorities with which the Finn. liariniet hail
animated • his mind ; hut he lot Aid at the details

()t the que,tion .v.hen otil•:.vi were taking—a.larger
view." This Was not the titre for such inkrgscopie

observations.

'file 'lion; Baronet, like anotheP

Coriolanns, seemed, from some disgust, to have
resolved on making'his importance felt, by throw-
ing all his weight on the sine of the enemy but
he hoped he w:)al f now, quit the Vol,:cian ranks,

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and tetura,tp his friends. (Loud cheering.) '
Mr. BATtiwtsT contended, that all that part of
the speech of die Paght flon.Geritletaan,, whirl)

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related to the detail. of the Bill for the:Relief of
the Catholics WaS foreign to the business now be-
forethe 1 Luise. This was not the .time at which
such motion could„ with propriety, be brought
forward; nor,even had, the second reading of the
Bill occupied the House this night, would the
proper stage have arrived for submitting to their
considerathin that 'which the Right lion. Gentle
Man had taken this opportunity of introducing
into his speech. ,The Right Hon. Gentleman has
called upon them not to attempt to twin a frandit-
lent triumph over the Bill now in the House. Ile
would like to know what possible inducement any
one could haVe to resist in that manner which had
been thus characterised ? What was there to
.
hinder ;any Gentleman front originating, on the
second reading of theßill, a. motion which wonld
cause all, and More than all, the delay which
could be occasioned by the present motion ? It w`;is
clear there could be no advantage, but on the (:(m-
-trary a great disadvantge in taking up the question
before the House with this view. lie hoped that
Gentlemen VlClllid not thinkthe present Motion was
supported because the. Bill wits not approved, TO
assume this' betause the Bill might be indirectly
oppoSeal by the Support given Iti the present
• motion was unfair, as the Owe Was not yet ar-
rived when distinct opposition could he oileved.
The House had in the :is Session resolved to iii-
quire into the laws'affeeting the Roman Catholics.
When thatpropo-Ation was brought' forward', what
- could be more natural than for those %On) were of
opinion no benefit could result (ruin such an in-
quiry, to oppose going intO a 'Cominittee on .he
subject) It bad been the system of Parlitunnt not
to enterinto.a COturnittee on petitions presented,
• but in oases where it appeared Lkely,the wishes of
the petitioners could :be complied with, Those',
then, ivbo saw nu probability of this.,_ might rea-
sonahly oppose the motion; The state of things,
it Was true, W;ig now changed: The Committee
had sat, andd-a Bill had been brought in, fotinded
on their resolutions. : If, howeree, the House bad
thought proper to enter taut the question, he could
see ,no inconsistency 'in the proposition of the
Hon.- Baronet to institute an inquiry into all the
cireimistances of the- case. This the Right lion.
Gentleman had-himself wished tor before, nut now
the House was told,' that a Bill having been
broti!.i;ht in., there was no occasion foci' irt inquiry.
The farce of this reasoning he did not feel, amid
the objections of -the Right lion. Gentleman to
the nresent motion fell to the Proimd. ' The Right
, -
Hon.`Gentletini; had SpOken as if those who had
permitted 'the Bill to be brought .iii,' were hound
to :support it through all its stages i, this he de-
nied. . Those who were- anxious, as all must be,
to relieve the Catholics, if they saw this could' not-
he done by the' BAI . brought irt„ -without endan-
gering- the Constitution, had, notWithstanditig, a.
right to oppose, it ; nay, it wits their duty tie, do
so. That which bad been said of the volutninoms
inquiry in which the pr6ent.motion would epgage
them, with whatever humour it Ina been urged,
was entitled to little attention,' Os there was no
probability of theinvestigation- being such ashad
been described. 'With respect to. the Bill itself,
he thought the securities which it contained. did
, not deserve that name. If it had been aft:iitted
by the most strenuous advocates for the Catholics,
that smne securities were necessary to 'the 'safety •
of the Protestant Establishineut, he would ask,
was fo..eign influence nothing. ? Surely this would'
not be' asserted ; and if foreign inthicuce weie not
bell as
,nothing, ought they not to inquire what
their ancestors haft done to guard against its ,in-
fluent-e, There. was no intention. of sending (cts
had been stilted by the Right Hon. Gentlenian
who had first invented the fact, and then turned it
to ridienle,) Atubassathirs to Ametica orto Ritssia,
toconduct the inquiry called for, .nor had an itlea
'lien entertained of calling tio2. Learned Doctors who Lad been mentioned to then): 'All that was
calledl for was- eviplence, so :tuthenticatc:l as fci.r-
mer documents ha I been, when produced, in cases
illo-leni,.,tlLeenntricoiti'iltit!eildol‘lvtbiliet
siltbid.
f'si(t'llirettilf.ll.l(':l tit similar.
the l- , igit
ject of the 3emuits, and various other parts of his
speech,* which lid contended bad nothine;,to do
With the question before the Houße, 'lhe time
wits not .yet. come for opposing the clauseh- of the
Right• Hon. Gentleman. 'Mit lilac Would Cottle.
For thepresent, he should sit down giving his
hearty coneurrence to the motion.
Lord DYSMIT WAS Of :opinion, that before they
took Upon themselves to legislate in aca of to
much importance, the-most' liberal titi.l "'"sive
inTiirics ought to be made ; he' therefore sup-
poll eft the motion. ,

horil CASTLERItAnii assured the I-louse, ht:
not riKe for the -purpose of enteriog into any ge-
neral discussion of the mei:43,ot the. Bill now in
the House. Another. opportunity Would okr far
gall% iota that subject, anti he should reserve
what lie lod to say till tliat Qpitortitaity arrived,

ti,t, rim ceftFillitt V;, a not 811 dot lit'i,dold,Wloi3

but wlittteree _objections Ite toight pit 07,-..soitt etiA
tertaiti to :►:ty p:trt .of it., he hopt:tt
tions Would ultimately tye veinoveil. lie hoped it

would finally, he so 5 huitol that h , coCtl g :it
his support: At present,,,liexottlii hot 6.0 augur
favourably of,- the prospe4 before them, from the
spirit-of conOliation the pat lof
the Catholics. In his opinion, it NvOnit? dis-=
graceful to the pi ote:,tents to Offer terms 'Which it
was known the' Ce.tholks could not ace.ert. it
was their zloty to call on the Cathoßes to concedd
nothing_ which it was not knowii 'their religion
would • autboi Though be, on ,th-e second

reading tji thv Bill, should ,support t!le measurd
geuerally, Ile should he airtiotis to submit it is
idttx3 4)11 various parts of it to the 144,u:;ei fitlft it
was his hope that-theise ivho brought rot,

tvired, ‘vould ate.:)(.4, to •ht

offer, am! !Mtn an opportuni7 rutingr•ftit
a tocasun.!,' hf._- thought, us he stutect

011 a fortor otCasitni, much `,kettee_
their hands than •in it appeared pr.,!l:ll:tbh.t
float the triorjoa of Bli'oiset %could gi

him or the- ,ilonse inf,niiution, Which at prt,,,,:at
they wanted, ho\le've;' he might regret Out the
motion lota no,t 'won bron,ght forward earlier in
the sessioti, g'i‘e it his snppnrt. But
• whca he refiee7-ed iia 1111 those great principles
whiol ought to legislate weye aircatlY
t ,re the 1-10n...5,e, or the means of collecting what
Might' be Waliting 'IVVre, SO 01)1'1i;i'iS;- he could
not but think the appointment of- a Con),I! it-tee
would occasion unnettAsury deiny:, W.lls Oar..

ticularly against any delay Widen- might pr,veot
Parliament's explai;.,;ing itt:Of to the tWo;-oli tries
in the cours,e Of the' present . lie hoped
the complete ttuitin of the' Catiiol:les and
R-4:ints:trould'not be onneces-!r;ly itcietred. To
him it would appear it great ty if
separated without giving the country that e.pla-'
LIM if)i) of ‘vbieti he l'.ad spiik*L'o. - ilLfcodett,
his flight Lion. Eri,iNids near him. • Howevcr he
might differ from. them on this subject, he ,t dl
thought their comhiet perfe'etly consistent, foti
though they might be of 04)inion that no sticuri-
ties Could be given by the Catholics which ought
to be satisfiviory to the ,Ploiesta: ts,'it by no
means followed, that when in this they bad been
ov '.i.ruled by the House, they should not be dis-
posed: to inquire into the securities which might
be ai:Corded, in order to decide which was least
objectionable. DJay in explaining what were
the views of Parliament, might be thotillit. inju-
rious and misellievaus:in a great 'degree. ,un-
willing that it should,F•tand lief..veen them and the
country, he therefore hoped that if the informa-
tion called fin 'vas not absolutely necessary, it
wotild'not he gratiied, us he feared it • contd not
be procured hi time to enable Parliament to give
the expkwition he desired in the course of the
present zi;ession. tHe remairied, as he had ever
been, opposed to those who asserted •Catholic
ettuineipotion be a question of sight. He
cOoteoiled the Cato:ie religion, and more ,cspe-
. chilly the Ecciestr.•:::.tical part of it under the See
orßonie, had ever been subjeat to arrangement,
both in Catholic and in Protestant to.intries.
This broad proposition, he thought, was suill-
ciently;establisbed, and therefore to gO into. a
Committee to inquire into this fundamen'al truth,'
would be to lime time.. As Secretary of :fit ite for
the Colonial p!..p.,lxtitient, lie himself bad had to
take the pleasure of his Majesty on the appoint 7
'tient of t Roman Catholic Bishop to go to Altilt3,
Who having been nominated. by,the Crown, re-'
ceived affei.wards bit canonical in:inetion from. the,
See of Rome.. 'fits grand ,priaciple, it, roust Olen '
Ibe act; nowledged, WitS soak:evilly estabk bed ;
Paha to ''go into• a Committee Was unnet„.es:ary,
though he thotight no time tould be wast,..! which
ivas fairly applied tOthe considor,ition of „is im-
pnrtant subject. If the Catholics went on with
the Protestants as he hailhopes they would do,
if they went on with the legislature,, content..to
bow to the deei,.,ion of 'Parliament, he thought:
the present the most
,ansph.:.ious period the •British.
euiptre had seen ;ince the ilekolutiOn.. He should
be glad to see Ow loan who could Prove Opt Par-
liament or any Member, of it was actuated, in. ta-
voueingthe wi,h_.s of the Catholics, by any other
titan a 41irit of conciliation, which, he,
thought, Must produce .a etirresponding temper
Ott the pilrt of, the C,,tholics. We were-tint: at
pre-cent arrtrici u a Frenell invataion ; stood in,
awo of no power iii Europe ; hut, on the coa...
nary, England stool on a pinnacle of greatness
aud glory, higher'p-erinips thao ever she had, stood
before, and therjore this was the proper time for
a spirit of colviii,ition to manifest itself. lie
con‘lilded, repeating that it was hiS hope the Bill
would he so framed as to enable him to give it his
cordial support. • •!
stated, that'he had only pointed
out what to him appeared the preferable mode of
exerei,ing as right, und added, that he -:was as
tit mly'tic termined as:the Noble Lord himself eould
be, if the hotin proffered by PadiaMent were ton-
ttirmiciouAy, refused, to take his Stand against the
Catliolies-, the line as if he 'had never stood for-
ward their

Sir J. C. HIPPISLEY replird at some lentr,th, anti
stated the Ili;tht Hon. Gontleman (Mr. Canning)
to have he&l well aware iyf the object of the Com-
mittee, •ancl to hall' promised to support bit nio+
tb if he abandoned his tletign of 'moving it (01
the lwes.ent occasion, wad- bronght' it forward at
some othc•.; opportunity. The IJoim
0:4. motion ..... . . ....

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