The Sun.
London, England, 1831-08-06 00:00:00

No. 12,138.

PERIA L PA RLIAMENT

(THIS DAY.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS•

The SPEAKER took his seat at Half-past Twelve
o'clock to-day. The House was very full of Members.

FOREIGN AFFAIRS.

As soon as the SPEAKER had taken his seat.

Lord ALTIIORP wished to ask an Hon. Baronet (Sir
Richard Vyvyan), who had given notice, that he would
move to-day for papers upon the subject of the Belgian
affairs, whether the Hon. Baronet would consent not to
bring on that question to-day. Under any circumstances
it would be inconsistent with the duty of his Majesty's
Government to enter into the discussion of the subject at
the present time, but some news had arrived this morning,
respecting which he had not yet had sufficient time to
communicate with the rest of his Majesty's Ministers.
The motion of the Hon. Baronet could not now be com-
plied with without incurring the greatest hazard. He
(Lord Althorp) gave the Hon. Baronet full credit for any
discretion he might think proper to exercise in the course
of hie observations to the House, for he was sure that it
was not the intention of the Hon. Baronet to create any
embarrassment to the present situation of the country ;
still he (Lord Althorp) could not but be apprehensive
that some detriment might be caused by entering into the
subject in the present critical state of affairs. He there-
fore begged, on the part of the whole of the Government,
that the Hon. Baronet would •consent to postpone his
motion. - -

Sir R. VYVYAN mist confess lie was placed in a very
awkward situation by the request of the Noble Lord, be-
cause he could assure the House he was the last man who
would wish to expose his Majesty's Ministers to any em-
barrassment.—(Hear.) He intended merely to move for
the production of papers, copies of which he bad, and the
contents of which were known to the whole of Europe,
and he did not intend to offer any observations such as the
Noble Lord had been apprehensive of. He could
not see that his motion would at all damnify the
public intere-ts—(Heir, hear)—particularly as they
had arrived at a crisis which rendered it probable
that this country might shortly be involved in a war; the
information that had been received this morning made the
case even still stronger. If he thought that it was the in-
tention of his Majesty's Government not to adopt the line
of conduct pursued by France, he might consent to post-
pone his motion, but he feared that it was the intention
to place this country in a situation injurious to its best in-
terests. Entertaining this opinion,'he was sorry he could
not agree to the proposition of the Noble Lord.
The subjectwasthen dropped. _ . _

Colonel LINDSAY presented a petition from the
Royal burgh of Kiltennie, praying that the right of send-
ing Members to that district of burghs might be continued
to them by the Scotch Reform Bid. The petition stated,
that the population of those burghs was 6,067, and
the number of houses rated at ten pounds a year 336 ;
that a very important trade was carried on there, and that
last year 1,011 vessels, of 46,291 tons burthen, and manned
by nearly 4,000 seamen, were cleared out from the port
belonging to that district. The petitioners conceived it a
great hardship that these boroughs should be disfranchised,
and they prayed the House to take their case into its serious
consideration.

The petition gave rise to some discussion among several
Hon. Members ; afrer which it was ordered to lie on the
table, and to be printed.

WAR BETWEEN HOLLAND AND BELGIUM:

The Marquis of CHANDOS wished to know from the
Noble Lord opposite, whether the French army under the
command of General Girard, had received orders from the
French Government to march against the army of the King
of Holland ; and if it had, whether it was with the, sanc-
tion of the Government of this country.
Lord PALMERSTON said-1 have this morning re-
ceived a despatch from Lord Granville, informing me that
the French Government had communicated to him and
the other Ministers from the different Powers in Paris,
that upon heating that the King of the Netherlands had
broken the armistice, and entered the Belgian territories,
the French Government had ordered their troops to enter
Belgium for the purpose of assisting the Belgians, and for
the purpose of maintaining the neutrality of Belgium.
Colonel DAVIS made an observation which was in-
audible.

The Marquis of CHANDOS wished to know whether
the King of Belgium had made any application to this
Government for assistance, at the same time that he
made application to the French Government ?
Lord PALMERSTON-1 can only say that the mo-
ment the King of the Belgians was informed that the
King of the Netherlands was about to violate the armistice
and enter the Belgian territory, he communicated that
to the different parties to the negotiation, and which
was communicated to this Government as well as that
of France.

LONDON, SATURDAY E

could take. They invited each party to send persons,
with full powers to London to negociate a treaty of peace.
The King of the Netherlands accepted that invitation, and.
sent h is Plenipotentiaries to London with full powers to
enter into the negotiation. But at the same moment he
did that lie also gave orders for his troops to enter]
Belgium, and his Plenipotentiary here had no instrucH
tion to communicate to the Government the factl
of the orders for the recommencement of hostilities.]

Lord STORMONT begged to know whether the French
troops had marched into Belgium with the sanction of the
English Government--a sanction given to such a march
either before, or after, the alleged aggression.
Lord PALMERSTON—The only answer I can give
to the question just put, is to repeat what I have be-
fore stated, that as soon as the intelligence had reached
France, that troops from Holland had entered Belgium,
the French Government immediate'y gave orders
that their troops should march towards Belgium, and
communicated the circumstance to the English Ambas-
sador, the news of which had only reached London this
morning.
_ _

Lord STORMONT enquired whether it was under any
previous agreement entered into between the English and
French Governments, that under certain circumstances
this march, had taken plaee.
Lord PALMERSTON.—It is impossible any previous
agreement could have been entered into on an event which
no one could have foreseen. My additional answer is, that
the Five Powers were all parties to the engagement, and
bound themselves one to the other, to maintain the
neutrality and integrity of Belgium.--(Hear, hear,
from all sides of the House.)
Sir R. PEEL—If my Noble Friend has through inad-
vertence used an inaccurate phrase, I am sure he will be glad
that I should give him the opportunity to right himself.
It is for that purpose, Sir, I rise. My Noble Friend has
used the words, with respect to the King of the Netherlands,
that he had violated the armistice. The expression—vio-
late an armistice—implies some previous agreement.
Now, I apprehend, that if there were such an agree-
ment, the King of Holland had an undoubted right
to terminate the armistice on giving notice. If he gave
notice of his intention, then it could not be a violation of
an armistice. My Noble Friend has also used the word
" broken" in another part ; he said that the King of the
Netherlands had broken the armistice. I therefore
think that in matters of such importance, that may at
once involve the tranquillity of the whole of Europe, my
Noble Friend ought t have the opportunity of righting
himself, if he has been led into any inadvertent expression.
Lord PALMERSTON—I ant obliged to my Right Hon.
Friend for giving me the opportunity to correctany inad-
vertent expression, bad I used any ; but I think my Right
lion. Friend misapprehends the precise state of the
transaction. The House: will recollect that there was,
for it was well known, a local armistice entered into
between the Commanders of the citadel of Antwerp,
and of the city, which was liable to be :put an
end to on three days' notice. But subsequent to
that, there was the general armistice established by the five
Powers on the one hand, and the Belgians and Dutch on
the other, and it was with reference to that armistice that I
used the expressions alluded to. That armistice the King of
the Netherlands 1149 broke;,, and without notice to the
five Powers nay up to this moment, neither. the Govern-
ment of this country, nor the.Plempotertharies here have re-
ceived the slightest intimation from hint that he meant to
terminate that armistice.—(llear, hear.)—[fiord Eliot
made some enquiry which was inaudible in the gallery.
The substance of it was whether it was not to be considered
that a notification had been given by the King of. Holland
of his intention to break the armistice, if the thing com-
plained of were not removed, and whether this was not
consistent with an article in Protocol 12.1
Lord PAI.,MIISTO:\i, that which the 'Noble Lord
has real, is, I believe, a correct extract from the douument
to which he refers. The fact was this. There was
first a series of propositions agreed to between the
parties. The first of those were accepted by the one, and
rejected by the other. The Conferences then proposed a
second series. Those who had rejected the first, ac-
cepted the second, and vice versa. On that the Five
Powers took the only step which, in illy opinion, they

Lord ELIOT repeated some enquiry in a low tone 01
voice.

Lord PALMERSTON—The treaty between the Five
Powers is to maintain peace—to maintain the neutrality
of Belgium—aed harmony between each other.—(lm-
mense cheers.)
Sir R. VYVYAN considered the House would think,
after what had now passed, he should be perfectly justifi-
able in withdrawing his motion.
Lord PALMERSTON said there was no one less disin-
clined or readier than himself to afford the House the amplest
information on any subject on which it might be required.
But he would submit whether at the present Moment,
with the information every one had received within the
last few days, which shewed this to be a moment of
confusion, great delicacy, and much difficulty,_ while
events of great importance were pending—while de-
cisions were to be taken founded on deliberations
that would take place out of that House, he would
merely put it to the Hon. Member, whether lie was
placing the Government in a fair situation in calling upon
them to enter into a defence of their conduct, in reference
to a long course of transactions which it might be
impossible for them fully to develope and explain,
without at the same tine treating matters of
great importance—(Hear, hear)—in a manner that
might lead to a very considerable embarrassment in re-
ference to the course yet to be taken.—( Hear, hear.)
Sir R. VYVYAN asked whether the Noble Lord
would give him an early day next week when a full and
ample discussion or deliberation might take place upon
that subject which involved matters of such serious and
extensive importance to this country and Europe at large.
If the Noble Lord, contrary to all Parliamentary usage,
had hurried the Members down to-day upon the Reform
Bill, the importance of the discussion on which he
did not mean to deny, surely he might ask a day next
week when discussion might be entered into, and when the
Government might have an opportunity of explaining to
the House their motives as to the course which, for a long
time back, he should say for months, they had adopted with
regard to Belgium.—( Hear, hear.) A cours of procee ling
which he trembled at the thought might involve this
country in a war with foreign Powers.—(Hear, from
the Opposition.) His object in bringing the subject before
the attention of the public was to prevent that war, or
at all events to put this country in a situation which
would enable her to dictate her terms with greater effect.
He would ask a question of the Noble Lord, was it the
intention of his Majesty's Government to send the fleet
which they 'selieved had been cruising in the Channel to
the coast of - Holland, with a view to acting against
the Kin, of the Netherlands?—(Hear, hear.) If the
Noble Lord would answer that question directly, he would
then consent to withdraw his motion. He was justified
in proposing those questions. The Noble Lord might not
choose to answer them, but he washed his hands of all
the consequences of the course they had thought proper
to pursue. (Cheers from the Opposition.) The consequences
might he that this country might be involved in a general
war with Foreign Powers. He wished to bring forward his
motion that it might be seen that that House and the people
of England did not at all acquiesce in that course of con-
duct which his Majesty's Government had pursued with
respect to Belgium.—( Hear, hear.) No Government,
including the Duke of Wellington's, had ever been
treated with so much courtesy upon all questions
of foreign policy, ever since the unfortunate death
of Mr. Canning deprived the House of one of the
greatest and brightest ornaments of this country.—(Loud
cheers.) But now that they had arrived at the present
all-eventful crisis—when deliberations were at end—when
discussions appeared to he over—when war was about to
commence—he could not see why his Majesty's Govern-
, ment should not now be called upon to honestly and fully
explain the course they had adopted.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord PALNIERSTON did not deny the fairness and
candour with which Hon. Gentlemen in opposition had
treated his Majesty's Government with regard to foreign
affairs.—(Hear, bear.) The Hon. Baronet had put a
question as to what was the intention of his Majesty's Go-
vernment respecting the employment of the present naval
force. Whatever measures Ministers might deem it their
duty to adopt they held themselves responsible for them,
and whenever any measures should be taken, then was the
time to ask the Government for the facts as to them; but
at present, he (Lord Palmerston,) did not feel himself called
upon to give an answer to the question put to him. The
Hon. Baronet had taken for granted that this country was
on the eve of a war ; he, (Lord P.) hoped that the House
would not take any such thing for granted. It had been
the object of his Majesty's Ministers ever since they came
into office to preserve peace; they had been engaged
in most difficult negotiations to preserve peace_
particularly as between Belgium and Holland, and
thereby the peace of Europe.—(Hear.) Negociations were
still in progress, and the Noble Lord could assure the House
that nothing that had. yet occurred, led him to imagine
that they would not terminate in establishing peace.
Sir R. VYVYAN said a few words, (which were
inaudible in the gallery), but it was generally believed that
he consented to withdraw the motion of which he had
given notice.
Mr. C. PELHAM began to address the House amidst
great noise ; we heard the Hon. Member exclaim " the
French have marched to Belgium"—" this not a war !"
" this is a much stronger case than that which occurred
seven or eight years ago, when France was iuvaded by
Spain, while negotiations were pending." (We presume
the lion. Member unintentionally reversed the names of
thieetiteosatdown.
countries.) The noise was so great I _ that the lon.
Member

TENING, AUGUST 6, 1831.

Mr. STUART WORTLEY presented two petitions
from Perth, praying to have representatives. When the
Bill for Scotland carne before the House it was his inten-
tion to press the claims of the petitioners as much as he
could.

Sir G. MURRAY supported the prayer of the petition.
It had been said it was not proper at present to say anything
relative to Scotland, he thought differently, consider-
ing it the duty of every Scotch Member to watch
closely the interests of that part of the United Kingdom.
The interests of Scotland were completely neglected by
the Bill, and they were entitled to a much greater
share in the representation than was intended to be given
to them.
The petitions were ordered to lie on the table.

1 which entitled it to be-placed in this schedule by itself: Wedge_
bury possessed an exclusive jurisdiction.
Sir IL PEEL thought it extraordinary that if Ministers had
such great desire for population representation, they should refuse
to add Wedgebury to 'Walsall He thought it would be an im-
provement, and entirely in accordance with the principle of the
Bill.

Lord ALTHORP then rose, and was

(LEFT SFF.AKING.)

Lord JOHN RUSSELL then rose, to move the Order
of the Day for the House going into a Committee on the
English "Worm Bill, when

Mr. LABOUCHERE stated that he wished to put a
question to the Hon. Member fur Westminster, (Mr. Hob-
house) for the purpose of knowing whether' it was his
intention in the Bill for the regulation of the hours
of labour in manufactories, to maintain those provisions
with regard to silk which at present existed?

Air. HOBHOUSE statuil that it was not his ;.atention
to include the Silk Trade within the upciations of the
Bill.

[We shall continue the. proceedings in a SECOND and
THIRD EDITION.]

FOREIGN AFFAIRS.

DREADFUL MURDERS.

Sir RICHARD VYVYAN gave notice of his intention
to bring forward his motion on Foreign Affairs on Tuesday
next.

Wednesday last an inquest was taken at East Ruston,
before Mr. J. Pilgrim, one of his 'Majesty's Coroners for
this county, on view of the bodies of Hannah, the wife of
John Rudd Turner, and George their son, the former
being shot by the husband, and the latter drowned by him.
It appears that Mr. Turner is the occupier of a windmill
and a few acres of land at East Ruston, that he is 50 years
of age, and bis wife about 22, that he.had been married
to tier about twelve months, that they have lived on
wretched terms together ever since their marriage ;
there was a mutual jealousy existing between them, and
he teas frequently heard to make use of strong expres-
siois against her. On the evening of Monday last, the
deceased and her husband were seen quarrelling, and this
continued after they were in their bed-chamber ; the hus-
band appeared to be much enraged at what his wife had
said ; he rose the following morning about two o'clock,
leaving deceased, and the infant under twelve months
old asleiT; he walked about the house, it being too dark
at that tha® to perpetrate the horrid act he had in contem-
plation ; he continued walking about, occasionally going
into his wife's room, till about four o'clock, he then took
his gun, which he had previously charged, went into his
sleeping-room, and, finding his unfortnnate wife asleep
with her head on the pillow and the infant by her
side, discharged the gun at them both, the con-
tents of which chiefly lodged in the wife's head,
the babe was not much injured. The poor woman
instantly screamed violently, but the wretched man
desired the servant who was in her bed-room
very near not to come into the room without his leave,
then finding the innocent babe was not much hurt, he tusk
it from the mother's side (who was almost immersed in blood
and in a dying state) into his arms, carried it down stairs,
and drowned it in a water tub; he rein lined with it until
it was as he supposed quite dead, he then brought it up-
stairs, and laid it by the mother's side in the blood ; having
still a doubt whether there were not some sparks of life re-
maining, he took the servant's featherbed and placed it on
the top of both mother and child. It was in this state
they were found. The Jury, who were very respectable
and selected from different parishes, appeared mach
affected, and after hearing the evidence, returned a ver-
dict" Wilful Murder." The Coroner instantly issued
his warrant of
warrant to commit the wretched man to the county
gaol, to take his trial at the next Assizes, and bound over
the requisite parties to prosecute, and the witnesses to give
evidence.—Norwich Mercury.

REFORM Blt.L.
On the motion of Lord J. 11,Salr, the House re§olyed
itself into ii-Conimittee pr the English ltefkm BuRNAL
in, the eltic.
Tile CHAIRMAN then put the question—. That Kendal, in-
cluding the town of Kendal, should stand part of schedule I),"
and alter a few observations It was agreed to.
The next question was, " That Walsall, including the bo-
rough and foreign of Walsall, in StaNirdshire, stand part of
schedule 1)."

COURT-MARTIAL on the OFFICERS of his
MAJESTY'S STEAM-VESSEL PLUTO.

Yesterday morning, at eight o'clock, Vice-Admiral Sir
J. P. Beresford, K.C.8., and the Captains forming the
Court-martial to try Lieutenant Buchanan, Commander of
his Majesty's steam-vessel Pluto, Mr. H. H. Davis, the
Second Master, and Mr. Richard Powell, the Pilot, re-as-
sembled on board his Majesty's royal yacht the William
and Mary, at Woolwich, pursuant to adjournment.
Mr. Simon Burn, civil engineer, was on board the
Pluto on the 25th of July, when a barge at anchor off
Giliingtree-point was run down by the Pluto. Witness
was employed by Government, and went on board to ate
hone the machinery worked.

Lieut. Symons, Commander of his Majesty's ship
:Meteor, gave similar testimony.
By the COURT—Lieut. Buchanan placed every con-
fidence in his plot. I have commanded a steam-vessel
three years, and when I first had the Meteor, being un-
accustomed to steam-vessels, I left everything to my pilot.
Henry Myers, carpenter of the Chanticleer gun-brig,
was also on board the Pluto. He beard a noise, and
heard the words " Hard a starboard." He ran aft the
Paddle-box, and got hold of the side. A man and woma❑
were standing on the side of the barge. lie called out to
her to come to him, and she caught him by the hand.
The man seeing she was in a fair way to get up, also
seized hold of him and her, and in his endeavour to get up,
Pulled her down, and they both sank. The barge sunk in
the mean time. _ _

Mr. CROKER rose in pursuance of a notice that he had given
to call the attention of the House to the case of Walsall. His
desire was to see the franchise increased, and to extend snore
extensively the benefits of this important Bill. On entering
into Committee, he left the character of'an anti-reformer at
the door of the House. • And fl.om the moment that the
House 'decided that certain' -principles 'were to be adopted
iu this Bill, he had been anxiousto see thoseprinciptes werefairly
applied, and justieedoneto all parties. w4isikti bad tile narrowest
constittlency of an} toivn this except tiateshead. Close
to Walsall Vila:: Wedgebury, which was nearer to Walsall than
those places il which had been thrown into Wolverhampton
were to Wolverhampton, and he saw no reason nor justice why
Wedgebury should not be joined to Walsall, on the same prin-
ciple that had been adopted in joining other places to
‘Volverhampton. He should not divide on the subject if the
House was generally against bins, but he should move that the
town of Wedgebury be added to Walsall.
Lord J. RUsSELL did not think any case had been made out
in favor of Wedgebury. Walsall alolict PisA 15k200. 4,,Pit"ts'

David Bell, Quarter-master of the Pluto, stated that
lie was at the helm when the accident occurred. Mr.
Powell, the pilot, conned her ; he received all his milers
from the pilot ; sometimes the Commander repeated the
orders after the pilot. When about three times the length
1 of the Pluto from the barge the pilot told him to put the
helm a starboard, and finding that she did not answer well
he called out, " hard a starboard ;" lie put the helm down,
but she did not obey the beim, and ran on in the same
direction, and the accident happened.
By the COURT--I do not think that the pilot was stand.
ing in such a position that he could con the vessel pro-
perly.
By Sir J. P. BERESFORD--1 think the Pluto came in
contact with the barge through the pilot's ignorance. He
gave directions in time, and had the Pluto answered the
helm, as she had done throughout the day, she would have
cleared the barge.
By the Conicr—lf at the time when the engine was
ordered to be stopped an order hail been given to back the
engine, I do not think that the accident could have been
prevented.
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William Coller, mate of the Comet steam vessel, stated
divn‘ieVtalaifrask. Mr. Powell had entire charge
that Powell came on board to take charge of the Pluto,
andilpilaat said
Pluto
bluster-attendant's
:,,a, thatat r,,e gnod i
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of the vessel.
gave way to Mr. Powell, as he was a branch pilot. The
the shore, before the tide took her and threw her on the
barge. The helm was altered in very good time ; and if
the Pluto bad answered her helm as might have been ex-
pected she would have cleared the barge.
Lieutenant Buchanan presented a written statement to
the Court, which was read by a friend. It stated that
they were trying the engines of the Pluto, and, on Powell
r
coining on board, he was obliged to receive him as 'a
branch i
in preference to any person not having a
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branch,"
pi‘lvoltil' which was an establi-lied custom in the navy.
ie at the moment ordered the hlm be p hard
He had no reason to doubt the ability of his: pilot, and
had l
a-port,the Pluto must have run down tl e
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Ifr. Oliver Laing, on Sunday the 25th of July, was
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on board the Pluto when Mr. Powell came on board. He
was sent on board by order. of. Mr. Brown, th,;‘. Mastar-
attendant' and was a
s byanch pilot,' Irld as Such he could
supersede hie mate 9f Ole
tioi rlottho he nasbbaeer(ni.
pilotage.
i'toliet. Lieut. Buchanan re-
plied, that a:: ho Was a branch pilot he would allow him to
take charge.

--The PIiESIDENT now ordered the Court to be clew;..d,
and after a short deliberation it was again ppened, when
The JUDGE ADVOCATE, after the usual preliminaries,
announced that it was the unanimous opinion of the Court
that the accident arose from the ignorance of Richard
Powell,pilot, and that no blame was attached to
Liut the
enant Buchanan or Mt. Davis, the Second Master,
and they were acquitted.
Sir J,. P. 1.3-tßzsvy Fin then, rose, and addre.saing Lieut.
B.ncbana9, and 11Ir. t./Aris, said that it gave him great
p'leaaure to return their swords.
The Court-inartial then broke up.

CIDDLERA MORBus.—Considerable ;34cAte-
ment has been occasioned by a repoTt that the cholera was
prevalent, and in one Instance had proved fatal, in Chorley.
The case which gave rise to this rumour was one of a Mrs.
oIInYIELD, of Dole-lane, who for some days previous to I.er
cloth was ANicted W,,t4 dialawa...—B/ackbui'n Gazette.

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