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inert, and be prompted into aaion only by the in-
fluence of British Subsidies ? Such a supposition was
tooliibsurd to be seriously attended to; and as to the
6vit in of the late Administration,: to which the
Noble Lord so fondly referred, and seemed so anxious
to bring under discussion, he would fairly say, that
.inertness and folly of that Administration bad
form d the heaviest obstacle witlLlvhich the,presem
Government bad, to struggle. They had- never
prepared any one praCiical means by Which our Al-
lies could be assisted, or that could inspire them
with the hopes of contending successfully with the
coo inow enemy. • Their measures were • adopted
without foresight, and condu6ted without energy,
and consequently produced' no effeet.
Atter a few words in explanation from Lords
liot.Lstio and LAUDIMDALE, the question was,put
on the Address, and agreed to nem. dis.
' Lorl Iipk'KESOURY next moved an Address of
Thanks to his Majesty, for his gracious Coinmunica-
that tett-Cling the Vote of Credit; which was like-.
wise agreed to rem. dis.
A MessLge wax likewise delivered from his Ma-
jesty, respecting the purchase and settlemdnt of
Fioginore House on her Majesty; which was ordered
to be taken into consideration to-morrow.
INSURIUCTION. BILL.

Lord H.4II;ICE,SBURY now moved the Order of
tini Day fir the second reading of the Bill to prevent
Disturbances, &c. in Ireland. He telt it to be a
Measure of great importance, and it was natural to
expect he should adduce some 'pions for its adop-
tion. Measures of a similar nature had often been
resorted 'to by the Parliament of Ireland, the neces-
sity of wrier had grown ,out of the French Revolu-
(kw, and the principles which the authors of it had
attempted to disseminate throughout every country.
Associatio,is had at different times been entered into
in that part of the Empire, in which oaths were ad-
tnin6tered, and engagements entered into, for tjie
worst of purposes. To counteract these pradices,
a Bill of the nature of the present was first intro-
duced. If such practices were dangerous then,
bow much more so must they be in the present
state of Europe.and of the Empire, and when•the
ffite of Iwland was more closely linked than ever
with the fate of this. Country, and of the; Continent.
,He could nut, under such `circumstances, foresee
that any riiaterial objection would be made to the
13i1), not only because it was brought forward 'in a
milder shape than that in which the Parliament of
Ireland had 'passed' it; but because it was • known 'to
have been in the contemPlaation of the
„late Mmi7

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uistestion to bring forward a situilar measure, little
cLererent from that which was esow proposed, and
with which, of course, the Noble Lords on the
other side would not be .much disposed to quarrel.
In that hope, he should move that the Bill be now
read a second timd.
Lord 1101,,L4ND rose, not to oppoSe the prin-
ciple of the Bill, or perhaps even its provisions,
though there were sonic of them which he wished
to ,coo athehded, but to give it en assent, which,
however, was wrung from him with sorrow, and only
by the gripe of an extreme and lamentable necessity.
-He felt it to be a necessity not only painful to his feel-,
ihgs, but degrading to his character as a Member of
1 thet House. Hew long was the Imperial Parlia-
ment to continue to legislate for Ireland in the spi
rit (X this measure, that is, in defiance of the best
principles of, the .Constitution, in the blessings of
which we cannot allow that unfortunate Country to
participate ?-S-Were these the promises—are these
'the fruits 'of the Union ?—But if he was corn-
Eed to submit to the laimiliation and the hard-
seip of assenting to such a Measure, the causes
et least shou;d be inquired into' which produc-
ed the dire necessity upon which alone it was ats•
tempteh to be justified. The causes chiefly:appeared
to be the disabilities that hung upon the Catholics in
that distratied country, the. pressure of the tithes,
and. the . etEiris' that were, systematically made to
Lep alive religameanintesities between. the Catho-
lics and the Protestents in Irelands oh each of these
causes, the Noble Lord descanted at great length
and much warmth. He was well acquainted
with the charat ter of Irishmen, and no chewier did,
he ever see. 'mare conspicuously. Marked by benevo-
lence; generosity,- and courage:: What then was it
that Cleated in that country those inextinguishable
:disiehite4s: which 'called so often for the enactment
of Measures like the piesene?-e-lt Must be some-
thing of a nature the most imperiotti, when it urged
men to forego the blessings of eltiiized society itself,
zed the advantag,es of a Constitution such as this
Cwmtry boasts of and is blessed with.' :that was
the source of the eVil which we WerebOund to eZ-
plore and if it was duly explored, the remedy must
soon be discovered. The fate is, the great majority
of the people of Ireland were 'deprived of the full
enjoyment of the Constitution, and alert-ea them-
selves injured. and degraded by the.suspicions which
gave rise to that deprivation. Eriglishnien loVed and
admired the Constitio ion, because they enjoyed all its
benstitS Could it then be fairly expetted that the
pee lc of Ireiaod should equally 'love and admire
that Coestitution, Irons the 'full enjoyment of the'
bete tits of which they were debarred l 'No, it was
thit in the nature of things ;'it was not in the com-
position of the human_ heart ; indulge them in that
fair enjoymeet, and al* murmurs ere appeased and
sdenced. As to tithes, 'he Was happy to think that
Ministers meditated some Measure of relief, and if
so, they so tar should have. his most cordial support.
Would that theyetnight also be brought to .discoun-
tetrance the by which religious animosities
were fomented in Ireland, where, by the priticiples
instilled by the tatechism taught in- the charter
schools, the infant mind of the Protestant is poisoned
with prejedices against' she Catho'ic. Yet thotte
who encourage that system ofedocation, Accuse the
Catholic of uneharitableueSs and intolerance, the
eely ti ices which they themselves must be conscious
they are indulging against these very persons to whom
they hupute theru. But is pot that the heighe of
tie, hat itablehthiS fs it not a refinement of tyranny,
a tyranny not far abort of that which characterised
that most accomplished of tyrants, Tiberius.- Still,
u all these discouraging digressions, he would
warn the people of Ireland not to look abroad to
assistance or redress, but to, bear with patience their
present grievances; and to hope for a fuller enjoy.
meat of ti e,r rights. That they could only expect
fr en the wisdom and liberality of this Country : if
.ey looked' ter their rights elsewhere, they would
rally fled the rights of the sword.
Lard I.l:llElticK vt, as sorry to hear the language
end the sentiments that fell trout the Noble Lord,


for they could be produaive of no good. Why eter-
nally introduce the claims oithe Catholic? why in-
sinuate that they had reason,not to love the Consti,
tutioni and that at a
MOment when they - enjoyed
almost every thing"We'ConStitutioncould bestow,
If the Noble Lord wished to trace the cause of the
discontents in Ireland, he perhaps might find them
in this country, and trace them to such speeches as
heThiMself had just made. He might also trace
their obje& to the principles,avowed by the leaders
of the late rebellion in that country, who avowed
Thernselves to have other objects in view than Catho.
lie Emancipation or Parliamentary Iteforrni 'Against
the operation of such principles it was that measures
like the present must be adopted; and perhaps the
more frequent enforcement, of them might have pre-
vented the spreading of disorders and the mischiefs
that sprung from them. He
_admired much the
personal chara&er of the Noble Duke who was lately
at the head of the Irish Government ; but had that.
Noble Person allowed the County at Mayo to be
proclaimed during the excesses of the Threshers, the
contagion would not have spread into the adjoining
Counties, and many -persons would have escaped
from the sword -of justice; who, on account of that
injudicious lenity, had fallen under it. So little was
the real state of Ireland understood, and consequent-
ly so ill-adapted the means employed to govern it:
The Duke of BEDFORD rose, under visible agi-
tation, to vindicate himself from the charge brought
against him by the Noble Earl. He had acted in
Ireland not only to the best of his judgment, but
froth the advice of those who were most competent
to direct him. He felt no regret at the part, he had
aaed.. It was not in the County of Mayo, but in
that of Sligo, where the disturbances then prevailed.
Lord KINGSTON contended, that the Magi-
strates in that County were the real promoters of
the disturbances. The condua of many Of them
Was such, as to disgrace the Magistracy; and some
of them rather deserved to be hanged than to be
made Magistrates. Indeed he knew one of them
who had the halter round his neck, during the Re-
bellion; and, if such were the heads, how could the
people be brought to respea them.
Lord HARDWICKE vindicated the reluaance he had
alwayi felt and acted on, to put any county out of
the law.

Lord CARLETON thought that such forbearance
might have led to the very worst consequences.
Lord SELKIRK would vote for the Bill ;' but chief-
ly on the ground of its acknowledged necessity.
Lards HOLLAND and LIDIERICK explained,; after
whibh the Bill; was read a second tune,, and ordered
to be committed to-morrow.

,Lord LAUDERIIALE mentioned some objelitions to
the Irish Custom House Bill ; but would take ano•
ther opportunity to state them more at large:
Adjourned at half-past nine.