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and the List of 4te!,d'J respectively passed tbnugh a
COmniittee; wefe rep6rted, read a tktd f..irtr! and passed.
timendtifehts to the Medical WifneS'xs,
weft agreed I.
The St. Clement's (Oxford) iliaffi4o;§ All was. read a
third time and passed.
SAVINGS BANKS.
Lord fiLt STEIART moved, pursuant to the
notice lib lidd giOn; ler 16ad.fu lithe in a Bill to
irti:4l,6e4 dod elf tifig &ki' flrA Aevings
Bank Act. He was satisfied that the present Act feta.:
ing to Savings Banks required amendment and explana-
tion, but all he wished was to have the measure which
he ttropestld paqred a single stage, in order that it might
be printed,
The CHANULLOIt of the EXCHEQUER could
not Consent to the motion, because the introduction of such
a measure would produce -great inconvenience to all
classes of persons connected with Savings Banks through-
ea 016
Mr. HUML thought they should be very cautious how
they took a step that might shake the confidence felt by
these who had dealings with these banks.
After a short conversation,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the etisting laws afrorded the fullest protection to all
concerned in the managemont of sayings banks so long as
they attended strictly to the discharge of their ditties.
Lord DUDLEY STUART would be the last person
who would wish to disturb the public confidence in these
establishments ; but as those who conducted them gene-
rally acted from benevolent motives, he thought it right that
as far as possible, they should be protected in the exercise
of their duties. However, from the opposition with which
the Bill was met, he would not proceed further at present
and would accordingly withdrax it.
POST OFFICE.

Doctor BO WRING moved for a return showing in de-
tail the income and emoluments of the different Postmas-
ters and mistresses in Great Britain and Ireland ; also a
• return of the names of those places in Great Britain and
• Ireland in which penny-posts bad been established.
Mr. HUME asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer
I whether it was the intention of the Government to carry
• into effect any of those reforms contemplated by the late
excellent Bill sent up to the other House, on the subject of
the Post-office. He deeply regretted the loss of that Bill,
and feared that in consequence of its loss many beneficial
changes proposed in the constitution of the Post-office could
not be carried into effect. He believed that this was the
first attempt on the part of the other House at interfering
with Bills of this nature.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER deeply
regretted the loss of the Post-office Bill, which, no doubt,
would have been productive of much good if it had passed into
a law. The failure of that measure was altogether unexpected
by him. For his own part, he should not be lax in carrying
into effect many alterations which he believed would be bene-
ficial in the Post-office. He understood, from the nature of
the law regarding the constitution of the Post-office, that the
Crown was not able to carry into effect many of the changes
proposed in the Bill without the sanction of the Legis-
lature ; and therefore so many improvements could not be
effected, as if the Bill had passed into a law. If the Post-
office had been constituted like the Stamps and some other
Government departments, then many changes would at
once have been made by the Crown, and lie should not
have hesitated in making them ; but finding this to be the
case he had held it to be his duty to apply to Parliament,
and he was sorry to find that he had been unsuccessful.
Although, then, they should not be able to effect all that
was desired, still the exertions of Government would be
directed to provide various improvements in the Post-office.
Certain alterations could and would be made with regard
to the Post-office packets and other departments.
Dr. BOWRING stated that, notwithstanding the late
convention, the circulation of British newspapers was ob-
structed in Belgium, not by any Post-office impediment,
but by a fiscal regulation, which placed a tax on each
newspaper.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated
that by a Bill which received the Royal Assent within the
last few days, what the Hon. Member complained of would
be put awend to.
Mr. AGLIONBY moved for a return of the names of
all the parishes to which the Parliamentary grants to Pro-
testant Dissenting Ministers were distributed.
Mr. HUME wished to have the fullest information as to
whom the money was given, as it might turn out that
many places which received the money were able to sup-
port their own Clergymen.
Mr. HINDLEY moved for a return of the corres-
pondence between Mr. Wilson, Secretary to the General
Board of Factory Commissioners, and Mr. Stuart, one of
the Commissioners, between the 23d day of July and the
4th of August, 1833.
Mr. FOX MAULE had endeavoured to trace the cor-
respondence referred to, but had not been able to find it.
Mr. HINDLEY said that the Commissioners were
paid by the public, and they ought to be held responsible
for the production of this correspondence.
The motion we understood to be agreed to.
PAROCHIAL ASSESSMENTS BILL.
This Bill passed through Committee.
NEWSPAPER STAMPS.

Mr. HUME wished to know from the Chancellor of the
Exchequer what steps the Right Hon. Gentleman intended
to take in consequence of the omission in the other House
of the clause in the Newspaper Stamp Duties Bill relative
to the distinctive dies ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER appre-
hended that the clause had not been omitted in the other
House. Assuming, however, that it had, he had taken
measures to provide that there should be distinctive dies,
and although, unless the clause had passed in the other
House, no penalty could be recovered for the omission, still
the end would be gained, as publicity would be given.
COMMON FIELDS INCLOSURE BILL.
Mr. A. PELHAM moved that the Lords' amendment
he printed, so that Members may more clearly understand
them.

Sir J. BECKET said that all the amendments of the
Lords were extremely liberal, and could be easily under-
stood in their present form.
Mr. WAKLEY said the Bill was a very important one.
It trenched upon the rights of the people, and he would
give it all the opposition in his power.
Mr. WARBURTON thought the Bill was misunder-
stood, and that Hon. Members confounded commons with
common fields.

Mr. BLAMIRE supported the motion for printing the
amendments of the Lords.

Mr. POTTER was much surprised that it should be
said this Bill had in that House received considerable dis-

cussion. Why, the only discussion it had got was at past
one o'clock in the morning ; and those who arc in the
habit of attending the sittings of the House to its close,
well know the kind of hurried discussion which takes place
after midnight ; and he would takethat opportunity of ear-
nestly hoping that next session no business should be en-

tercet upon after twelve at night, under-an; pretence what-
ever.—( Hear, hear.) When the Bill was in Committee,
he induced the Honourable Gentleman who had charge
of it, to insert that no enclosure should take place
unless two-thirds in number and value of the owners

had consented. But, on a following occasion, at a late
hour in the morning, the Bill was recommitted, and the part
" number" was struck out, thus leaving the small owners
no voice whatever.—(Hear.) On the morning of the 3d
inst., after the great debate on the Irish Church question,
although a dropped order, the promoters of the Bill, at
nearly three in the morning, had it read a third time, and
passed, in spite of the opposition of his Hon. Friend the
Member for Salford. Very great alarm prevailed in the
country respecting the Bill. All they now asked was that
the Bill, with the Lords' amendments, should be printed.
It was said the Lords had very much improved the Bill ;
if so, let those who have paid attention to it see the altera-
tions. He should much prefer that the measure should lay
over until next session.

Mr. F. BARlNGthought the delay thus occasioned
would be very inconvenient.
Mr. LEADER would oppose the Bill in every stage.
A desultory conversation here took place.
The SPEAKER said that all this discussion was very
disorderly. He had never known a more irregular one.
If the business of the House was carried on in this manner
the whole Session would not be sufficient to get through a
single Bill. The question was, whether they should print.
the Lords' amendments only, or the whole Bill as amended,
and instead of turning their attention to this topic, they had
all through been discussing the principle of the Bill.
Mr. POTTER persisted in putting the motion, and the
gallery was cleared for a division, but there being only 27
Members present, the House adjourned at 11 o'clock.

ROUSE OF LORDS, AUGUST 16.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
at five o'clock.

Messengers from the Treasury and East India House
presented papers, which were laid on the table.
Mr. BERN 1L and others from the Commons brought
up the Exchequer Bills Bill, the Copyright Bill, the Kings-
town Harbour Bill, and the Consolidated Fund Bill, which
were severally read a first time.
SLAVE-OWNER'S COMPENSATION.
The Slave-owners Compensation Bill was read a third
time and passed.

SLAVE TREATIES.
The Slave Treaties Bill was read a third time and passed.
CREDITORS (SCOTLAND) BILL.
The Creditors (Scotland) Bill was read a third time and
passed.
COMMON FIELDS ENCLOSURE BILL.
The Common Fields Enclosure Bill, was, after some
verbll amendments, read a third time and passed.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented a petition from pa-

rishes in Dublin agilinist any enactment to prevent grocr_
selling spirits on Sundayv,l also a petition from Yorkshi?
against the Inns and Ale-Honse Licensing Bill, and a P
f)lion from Birmingham to the same effect.
TANNARIES JURISDICTION.
The Stanttatk
g Jurisdiction Bill was reported and or
41.64 to be engrossal,

liISEMBODIED MILITIA.
The Militia Vey Bill went through a Committee.
COUNTY ELFeCTIONS POLLS BILL.
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L era SHAFTESBURY moved the third reading, u`
the County Elections Polls Bill.
to pLre....-
Lord WHAIINCLIFFE had an amendment
pose, the object of which was to prevent any alteration Ftui_
ing made in the polling places in any county, without d
notice being given in two of the county newspapers.
then
The amendment was agreed to, and the Bill was
read a third time and passed.
GREEK LOAN.
Viscount MELBOURNE had promised their Lqr
when the Bill had been read a second time, that he should he
plain as fully as he could the nature of its provisions on tt
House going into Committee. The Bill was a most importal
Franc
one as regarded the foreign relations of England with Fra._,
and Greece, and its object was to give effect to the stionar
tions of a treaty entered into with these Powers. to
Lordships were aware of the circumstances which led
the recognition of the independence of Greece, and the et:
pointment of Prince Otho to the sovereignty of that conalf;;
They had objected to the course pursued by the Eloper,
of Russia, because they cooceived it was contrary to the :o
v.
dependence of the Greek liation. Under these cir
stances they proposed to Parliament the present Ploi
which would enable his Majesty to guarantee so much
the third instalment of the loan without Russia or Frarl.:
as remained at present unpaid. It was impossible for II
to go into a statement of the finances of the GA.reeo,
nation ; but from the statements he had received iract
those in whom ho placed great confidence with respect
to Greece--those who represented his Majesty in t,
country—there was every reason to believe that her lin";;
cial resources would be sufficient to repay the cbflarbra
imposed upon her by this convention. The Noble :4
concluded by moving that the Bill be read a second time.
The Duke of WELLINGTON did not intend to offerany opposition to the measure.—(Hear.) He should folk);
the example of the Noble Lord, and avoid making the 13tio
a pretext for entering into any discussion with respect
the policy that had been pursued in relation to Turkey
did he think it would be desirable that their LordslePt
should be called into such a discussion at the Preleil,
period. At the same time the transaction was of such
nature, that he considered it necessary to call their attere
tion to some of the circumstances attending it, and to the
consequences that were likely to follow from it, as being e'
such a nature as would be inconvenient to the countri;
Any interference was much better carried on by Inari4
States than by an individual one, and that was t"a
policy of the treaty in question. The first and seeain;
instalments had been advanced by common aeeer
but now that Russia would not give her assent, be
contended that the proper course would have been to toe
duce Russia to consent by negotiation. Had that ours,
been taken, it might have saved Great Britain from belebn
a creditor of Greece, and pressing for money, whcof
both France and Russia had the third part
twenty millions of money to advance when t,ljer,
pleased—it might suit their policy to bring it forward Waein
we were pressing creditors. We had taken the first stta
going alone in this matter, and we could not complain vriwa
the other Powers followed our example. He lamer° )
that this country was placed in such a false position.---;gaabrir
Lord MELBOURNE vindicated the policy pursued
et
England, and although he regretted that they had been
obliged to depart from the policy pursued by Russia in to
present instance, yet he contended that they had be
compelled to do so.
The House then went into Committee on the Bill.
The Bill went through a Committee, without observaten
MUNICIPAL OFFICERS' ELECTION Wit;
Viscount DUNCANNON moved the second rea;
of this Bill, the object of which was to substitute a dcela;,o
tion for certain oaths heretofore required to be made
taking office, under the new Municipal Bill. of
The Duke of WELLINGTON objected to a Bill"
this sort being introduced at so late a period of the Sessief,:
and moved as an amendment that the Bill be read a s"
cond time that day three months. of
Lord HOLLAND defended the Bill, the principle i,
which had been already recognized in two other
lar measures.—(Hear, hear.) It would independen'ot
of that, afford a very great relief to certain sects
.4
Dissenters who conscientiously objected to taking the oath
at present required.
Lord ROSSLYN opposed the Bill.
After a few words from Lord WYNFORD, the Mara
Of WESTMINSTER, the Archbishop Of CANTERBURY, 1111
the Marquis of BUTE,
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House cli*
vided, when the numbers were—
Contents 27
Non- Contents .. .... 43
Majority
The Bill is consequently lost.
On the motion of Viscount DUNCANNON,
the
sion Duties Bill and the Poor Law Loans Bill were
a second time.
IRISH CHURCH TEMPORALITIES /31Liati;
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in moving the ireadingreadin of this Bill, moved an amendment to the effect 0,
PI
rf
abolishing all absolute sinecure appointments of Vicars Clic,
ral, and of vesting the property in the hands of the ce
aiastical Commissioners.
The Bishop of ARMAGH expressed his satisfaction 'IS
the amendment of the Noble Marquis. 034
The amendment was then agreed to, and the Bdi
read a third time, and passed.
CORPORATE PROPERTY (IRELAND) BlLdaljt.o
Lord LYNDHURST said that what he now propose rd
do was absolutely to prevent the alienation of corporate peer
perty during the whole interval that would elapse betvie to
the present time and next September, so as to give tinlA
Parliament to introduce any measure which it might tb„rat
proper. When he spoke of absolute alienation, of ee"Ave
it would be necessary to make some reservation to 70,
all bona fide contracts made before that particular 3.,c1
which it was thought necessary to mention in the Bill,
the
all transactions necessary to carry on the business °lf ate
Corporation. He intended to prohibit absolutely all al'
tions of personsl or real property of the Corporations hs
the Ist of September next year. The course which
"
proposed was this. The clause itself was not a little CO
plicated, and when his amendments were engrafted nerd
it, it would, at the first view, appear more comPliela he
but, when it was considered, lie thought that it wcsa,bese
simple enough. He, therefore, proposed to put
amendments, and take the discussion on the Report. to
also hoped that the Noble Viscount would not oh.iee'oci
striking out certain expressions in the preamble and sec
clause, which expressed an opinion as to the conduct
Corporations.
order
The Bill was then reported, and the amendments or-
to be printed.
THE PRISONERS' COUNSEL BILL' on
Upon the Order of the Day for taking into considerati
the Commons' reasons and amendments upon this t,(1••
Lord LYNDHURST moved that their LordsbiPs t
el
here to their amendments. In the Bill as it came frommeol
Commons there was a provision which gave to the Colooy
for the prisoner the last word, not only in cases of fe.sion
and misdemeanour, but also of high treason and misPriehot
of treason. Now, when the subject came before ;00i
House on a former occasion, that clause had been very I
use;
discussed, and, be it remembered, too, in a very full HO bo
and their Lordships had then decided that it ought Toe
expunged from the Bill. Then, he thought, looking a ole
present state of the House, that it was not very rcas?nti of
to call upon them now to enter upon a re-consideratio,
he
the clause. He was highly favourable to the object.of'of
Bill, which was to place persons charged with the erin'other
felony in the same situation as persons charged with bad
offences. The usual proceeding was, that those ;Orr the
to make out the affirmative were allowed a TVPIY But let
purpose of explaining and setting matters right. ,Tbe in;
the House mark the inconsistency which they we."' nos°
troducing into the measure if they consented to the PrePtiiis
of the Commons ; for the Commons had excepted franitheir
clause the cases of treason and misprision of treason ; bYoonrr
amendment therefore, in cases of felony and misdatnea.ord;
they allowed to the Counsel for the prisoner the last r the
but in those cases in which, by the law as it now stall" coeS
largest benefit was conferred upon the prisoner, viz., 60
of treason and misprision of treason, the House of C°rn too'
had not insisted upon their proposition. But there vIrs ouse'
ther inconsistency in the amendments of the other hole
They had allowed Counsel the last word in cases of our is
meanour. Now there were many cases of misdernear civil
which it was optional to proceed by prosecution or 'lay of
action. Now, suppose he proceeded Ibr assault, byWbe en'
prosecution, then the Counsel for the defendant Would °poo
titled to the last word ; but if he proceeded by action
the very same matter, upon the same evidence, to esirn ta by
the very same facts, then, according to the view taiTjaat
the House of Commons, the Counsel for the defe001(1
was not to have the last word. For those reasons ho jtO
humbly submit that that House ought to adhere b"
amendments upon this Bill.
The LORD CHANCELLOR regretted veryllliotioesil,
the course taken by his Noble and Learned Friend 0000
much as he was satisfied, from the course taken clse, the,'
that if their Lordships' amendments were adopteurored• •
would occasion the loss of a Bill very generally aPPoseed
one of which his Noble and Learned Friend had eq_Aing,
his approbation, and had even moved its second.r,e'r was
The question, then, for their Lordships to cons olt_ec "o, or
whether they would adopt the Bill as it came t or
reject it. He was strongly in favour of the clause 0