The Sun.
London, England, 1838-03-02 00:00:00

ELECTION COIIIIIIITT.EE.b.

(THIS DAY.)

CITY OF LONDON.
The Committee met to-day at eleven o'clock, but salt with closed
doors till a quarter past twelve—Counsel having h. ictl Lea rd in private

for an hour.
On our admission, the CHAIRMAN informed the l "kuu.sel that they
would allow the question to be put as to the acts cf : dessrs. Croucher,
but they trusted the Counsel for the petitioners would come to the ques-
tion of agency as soon as possible.
Mr. WRINGIIAM begged to be understood that hew as offering these
acts for the purpose of showing a connection betwem In them end the
sitting Members.
Tyler was then called in and examined by Mr. Wr taxotrau. Some
gentlemen were sent down from Mr. Tijou's room to be engaged.
The CHAIRMAN desired the witness to answer only s itch questions as
were within his own knowledge.
EXAMINATION.—Mr. Croucher engaged some winvassers, and
Mr. John Croucher the messengers. They were paid by Mr. John 11.
Croucher. Witness had been engaged for near set 'en years by Mr.
Joseph Croucher, but he could not say that the brntherst were concerned
together in these matters. Mr. Joseph Croucher appoi ated the can-
vassers, who returned nightly statements. The res' eft wm is entered in a
book, which was inspected by Mr. Croucher, who thee. informed the
Committee of the result, and he had seen him do 6( t in, the presence of
the sitting Members. When Mr. Croucher was in the Commit-
tee-room, he was employed in the general business of the
election. The card of appointment of Mr. Forsyt b as a Committee
Clerk was written by witness, and signed by Mr. Crot tcher. Had heard
Mr. John H. Croucher give orders to Lake the printer, and to a
stationer. He had a table for himself, and received all stationery ; he
also sent it out, Red had what was called the literary dlepartment of the
election under his charge. He had seen the sittim tg- Members there
while he was present, and when the Committee was sit Mtg. The Chair-
man and members of the Committee must have see shim. Had seems
Mr. Jos. Croucher in conversation with Messrs. Gs*matme and Pattison.
Had heard Mr. Croucher give orders respecting time els :Aims, and they
were always obeyed—had heard Mr. Tijon also gi-ve ors lees which were
obeyed. Mr. John 11. Croucher acted under the ,direct ions of Mr. Jos.
Croucher, and acted for him its his absence. Wits n letters were
brought in they were taken to Mr. Jos. Crm sucluer,.—if he was
not present, they were taken to Mr. I. H. C. Thew letters were
opened by him in the General Committee-room. He is now in the em-
ploy of Mr. Gregory, the agent for the petition. On. the day of the
election, about the middle of the diy, Mr. John C toucher was in the
Committee-room, and received the lists as to the p rog-resss of the pall.
He gave witness directions on that day in the pre lessee of Mr. Grote.
He told him to go up to Clerkenwell.
By Mr. AUSTIN.—He would say that he believ eel Mr. Grote heard
him. He (Mr. Croucher) wrote a note and told hi m to go up to Mr.
Perkin's and the district Committee-rooms, and b n ugh up voters, or
else we shall lose the day. He said, we must haves them even if they
must be paid. Previous to going he went into ;t1 me general Com-
mittee-room, and was called by Mr. Tijon.
By Mr. Auszts.—Neither of the sitting Membiers • were present.
On witness returning from Clerkcnwell, he told }ail C. what he had
done, and he said very well.
Cross-examined by Mr. AUSTIN—Mr. Grote was ou.t and in the pri-
vate room all the day long. There was no mistal ze about the matter,
and if Mr. Grote was not there he had stated that which was false, be-
cause he knew him well. It was in the press-room t -where they printed
the cards with the state of the poll. He could not swear that Mr.
Grote heard the words addressed to him by Mr. Cro ucher,but to the best
of his belief he did. The General Committee-no as was much crowded
for every considerable part of the day. Any one night go in and out
again. Many came in, sat down and read the new timaspers. All persons
decently attired had access to the room. He wo slid swear that one in
fifty that visited the room had business—he would not swear that one in
forty-nine had. It was a general rule to have tl to name of the can-
vasser written on the back of his soliciting ca rm .1. He knew Mr.
Travers well. He ton years ago was a clerk ire the City; he had
never been a clerk to Messrs. Gregory and Prim m—he was sure of
that ; he was then in the employ of Mr. GreEor y. When he was
with Mr. Croucher, he considered in his con ac fence that he was
in a confidential situation—that he was not to t. til all the world what
took place. His conscience had undergone no c auge, but being out
of a situation he applied to Mr. Gregory, but it w ems understood that he
should disclose nothing with respect to Mr. Croy mc'her. There was not
a word said about it ;it was an understanding. Mr. Gregory, it was
but justice to Mr. Gregory to say that he h el never put a single
question to him. He received at first thirty- lave shillings a week,
but subsequently raised it to two pounds. He had been turned off by Mr.
Croucher about two weeks before he was engaged by Gregory ; it was in
consequence of a quarrel ; could not recollect that any charge was
made against him for destroying a book of any ki rid. He positively de-
nied there was any charge of the kind ; Mr. I. Croucher made a
charge against him of having taken money for ge Wing situations, and he
also charged him with not accounting for monies kme had received. He,
as a rnan of some feeling, resented sutb 5 . charge. He had
left the Time Book in the possession! of Mr. Croucher.
There was one leaf in it on which the re was an error,
which was torn out. There were, he believed„ ',lire° leaves, not more.
He would not swear that it was not because of tYle charge of fraud, he
did net think it was ; if he had not resented the, 'charge as a man ought
to do he might have been there yet.