The Sun.
London, England, 1814-05-18 00:00:00

CHILD STEALING.

Mr. W. SMITH observed. that • the crime of
Child Stealing .was not at present punishable by•
law, though the stealing of the chill's -clothes
was so ; which, though a small offence, :might
be punished severely.. It appeared a blot on our
legislation, that a child might be stolen without
punishment. He understood. the Judges .felt it
their duty to inform Juries, that if the intention
was only the stealing
.of the, child, and .not of
the clothes, they must acquit. In the commis-
sion of this crime, the child was certainly_ some-
times stolen only. for its clothes, and tl,en it •was
not carried away farther from
.home than suited
the robber's purpose. This, however, merited
some punishment. • A respectable professional.
man -in Westminster, same tine back, lost a child,
which was left .without its clothes under an arch
of Westminster-bridge, in snowy weather ;. at. the
floxing of the tide it crawled. up the steps, and
laid holdof .a person, to whom it could but, just
make itself imderstood. The robbery %vas proved,
sentence passed, bit the.robber pardoned. Another
motive for the crimewas seen in the case of the little
hoy•Dellow,
.stolen to be:brought up by otherS
but could this compensate for the agony of, mind
occasioned to parents ? Could the argument used
foi the Slave-trade, that the child was placed in
a better condition, avail ? A third motive in this
offence was to sell the stolen child,' sometimes as
instruments in the hands of common be gars, to
work on the compassion of ,ndividuats ; thus.
Consigning them to wretchedness arid vice : st•
other times they were sold to be devoted to the
most disagreeable, employments.; such as chilli- -
ney-sweeping, &c. He expected in his motion all
support, and rio opposition, as he had heard .of
no intention to object. Five years ago, a similar
Bill passed that House, anal, by some accident,
was mislaid in the Lords in the last stage; He
then moved for. leave to bring in a Bill foe better
preventing the crime of Child Stealing.
Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW *mild not second the mo-
don silently. Juries bad often acquitted offenders,.
while they lamented that the law compelletl them
at other times their feelings had led them to vio.,

Ia terM law. Th'e' It6.c• as it reii~ainec i.iiis`t be
to rudiai feeling's andithe prlblicitite:resp..
!)EE'LE hoped the Bil would be extended to

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giveri 5 the brought .up,
firt zjii.e•, and ordered, to be read a second time on

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ROMAN csvrilotics

Sir jOIIN COXE 171IPPISLE.y relnatiM, that C'er.;
lain iteceot
.eireumst:mneo had made a strong
pression in Ireland ; but it was his .intention to
imotiCe Ahem only as connected witkceilain paperis
he should move to be 'printed:. contained
the. regulations of Roman Catliolic diSaipline lb
other countries but particularly in Canada and
Malta,. &c.. One Material paper had not' beeii
printed at sill. 'The Whole were important to the
two_great points, of
.the interference of the Crown
in the nomination of Bishops, and the sap(rvision
of rescripts from the Papal See ; alSo to a point
of perhaps a graver nature, the Society of:the Je-
suits. A. doubt had, beenstarted as to their exist-
ence ;Amalie could state. to the Hormse, that
cently 30,000 t. had beeusent to Ireland, out of
„which the estate of Castle .BroWne had been por-
chased for 16,01)01. to endow, a school, with a..
Jesuit:at its head, for Roman Catholic education.
A person well known in the republic .of letters,.
Alm% Plowdemi,
,had written larglely in. its praise,
defending it onalme,ground of similar establish-
ments in Russia .and Naples.- The subject was
important. Mr. P. treating ,of the tenets of Je;.,
shits, differed from Paley and most others in the
meaning of an oath ; assenting it to.be secundunt
intentienem juraptis, anti not .secuOunt inteqtionent
imponentis. He then read a letter froM Ireland,
stating the proceedings at Castle Browne ; but the
writer was unable to disco ;er the ultimate ob-
jects, .as the Jesuits were not remarkable for pre-
mature disclosures : yet lie expressed his fears-of
the consequences of .the 'action of such a close.
system on the fanaticism of the ROman Catholic
inhabitants. Sir: 3. C. H. then adverted to the
holding of Synods of Catholic Prelates, as had
been lately done, and which he thought contrary
to laaY, and dangerOus, from their interfence with
subjects under Parliamehtary, consideration. By
Doidin Papers of the last three, or four days, it
'appeared that the second order of time Clergy was'
expected to oppose the recent letter from Rome
and likewise a part of the Bishops. The Prelates,
desee'lbed their meeting on February 26, )810, as
being hot; et Dublin ithtlme.loth year of the Po-
ntificate of theirem;y.
~..P_ather, Pius VI. He, h.opeil
the Irish Government .N't-e::•e alive to the conse-
quences of such proceedingS; ns well as to those
of the Catholic Board impublin, which had prOposi
ed-tosend to the Cortes of Spain, to say, that they
were oppressed by this Government, thenamcting iu
conjunction with that of Spain, whichhad ennobled
and rewarded allobleDake,ourcornmander,bmitwho
might thus'be Kehl up as, an enemy to the Spanish
religion ! They would appeal to the most intole-
rant.nation in Europe; which might be seen from
the new code, which suffered none but Catholics,
and even compelled the Members of the Cortes to
be sworn to it annually ! Would the Irish Catho-
lics.appeal to Spain on a queition of their rightS
and privileges ? Another effort had been made in
the. Catholic Board, which was rendered ineffec-
tual by the refusal of the Clergy. It was to Make
the Clergy exact donations, per head, from all
Roman Catholic householders, setting a minimum
on each
.gmtbsciiption, and marking each refusal
by the words " refusing tempence." The mnea-
sures, very lately pursued were quite opposed to
what he conceived the .opinions of the body a
few years back. The same individual (Dr. Mil-
ner, we believe) who procured from Rome the
abandonment of all rcliiestsfor temporais, did, the
next year, solicit the same for the Apostolic Vi-
cars in England. He atso wished his (SirJ.C.H.'s)
assistance in this. object, because he had procured .
sonne relief for the suffering Roman Catholic'
clesiastics in Scotland. The papers he alluded to
would sheet/ the general regulations of the Church;
which were admitted at ROME!, and which might
be compared with the recent letter from ti:ence.
He cold(' not avoid remarking the extraordinarY
state of "things in Dublin, in consequence of the
receipt of the rescript, and .the differences bd-
tween the Prelates and the second order of -Ecele-
siastics. Unless Oovernment watched closely
the proceedings of a Board affecting and exercis-
ing such powers as the Catholic Board, and adopt-
ed some wise measures, he much feared very se-
rious consequences. He concluded by moving, for
thd printing of Extracts (paragraphs 42 and 43)
from time Instructions sent, under the sign manual,
to Sir G. Prevost, GOvernor of Canada, on the
'2.2d of October, 1811, and which were'presented
to the House in July, 1813.

BA'THURST seconded, the. motion.

'Sir H. PARNELL said, that as to the 30,0001. be
was empowered to state that, the whole object was
contained in a printed prospectui which he had
seen. It was Merely to establish a iclio6l for Young
clergymen and others, to whiCh per Sons of a (lit-
ferent religion might be admitted, without inter-
fering 'in their faith. Nothing
,bad been said to
chew that farther objects were contemplated.
,At
this time of day it seemed ahsurcrto suppose far-
ther objects in view. The Jesuits were now ex-
tremely few in numbers. The procteding appear-
ed to him wholly justifiable and legal, and con-
tained nothing to merit imputations. •
Mr. PEELE said, that the notice which the Hon.
Baronet had given having been for the prOdu-c-
-tion of certain parts of the instructions to Sir
George Prevost, be certainly was not led to ex
'pest the introductiOn of such topics as ehose to
which the Ilon, :Bat-inlet had called the attention
of the -I-louse. llc nierely,ros,e, lest it might be
iningined, it be continued 'entirely silent, that the
Irish GOvernMent had not paid the most serious
attention to those subjects on which' the Hon.
Baronet had particularly dWelt. Uit one pOint he
thought it necessary to make.a few observations,
because the*Hon. Baronet had alluded to itin the
last Session. In consequence ,of what the Hon.
Baronet had stated, on the- subject of a College
for tht preservation of the Society of Jesuits be.
ing established in Ireland,, he had solicited a
communication with Mr. Kenny, the head of
that Seminary. He had accordingly seen that
Gentleman ; and be stated to him, that reports
had gone abroad, much exaggerated, per-
haps, as to the nature of the' Institution over
which he :presided i observing, that it woLild

t' •,, ••,1
be good - (whieb ;3.kini!t0,:,,,,
tci e3;pl3in .precisely the objiier of his Institt.:-
ticiti. • Freirlt hint he l'eai'lietl; tinti it 1.4,,as tart
ligioit's; but a fay
balith:
,prospiicti!s. of the bdurSe of ttliteakii3d:
assed him., whether it Was Confined t.t.:
clusivelyitoljerSoris prOreskiii.g the fl(U;'tan
whethei. it ttiasit
Mr. Kenny atisWred; that the COL
leg,,e Of ilaYnOoth, which do .; eitdu§ively
recognized es a
ObserVed, that hit; inStitntiOn was Cot;f:ncil
to :Rnimin Catholics: lle; ivould
snit the childi•en of. Protestants FO I'i.l:-..icipte lii
the general comrse of education, leaving CO thei:
imrentS the right of- giving them "soch
instrtiethins as thev might thi ii proper. At the
same time, he.donC:ted hOw far the ,principle
educating Pro',-estaht chilth•;:ti, at a
would be ge;nera4 approved of
—Mr. Nenny admitted to him, that lie ;'was a pro-
fesSed Jesuit. He, (Mr. Pe-lc) ilicen .wished. td
IsnoW, as the Older of Jesuits. profiiSsed potet:ty,
frOin what
;source the [acid'sprocuro for this
purcha.3e•o this question, Mr I‹,i-i1 y declined
giving an answer':" This Was tie ,anole f the Con-
versation which took place between them; and he
_thought it right to put die noose in posse ion of
the circumstance, in ordei- that it might not be
snpposed that the Itish Gov,ernnfent= had not p;tid.
'• due attention tO the subject.
Sir J. ..NatvroiT sail, that tIIC Aithhiflidp of
Dublin sonic year 4 &alie' sanctioning the school,
from an apprehension of ithprdprity, at it was a
'Catholic seminary. ; hut this matter was after-
:wards arratigetL saw nothing illegal in it.—
Mr. K. had no desire of concealment.' It appeal--
ed. eligible that Catholits shOuld have a domes-
tic education, and beneficial to Ireland, parti-
cularly now the Continent was re-opened. it
was wrong that pers.ons who had no aletitiS of de-
fending themselves, should be :milli-adverted upon
in the cOnsiderlition of a different topic.
Sir H.'l.);ulNELt. explained, that Mr. K.'s 're-
fusal to state the sources-of the find arose fromi •
his conception that the Secretary was not well
entitled to ask the question, add catechise hiiii nil
the subject, as he was not acting against law,
• and ought not to be suspected.- He had answered
willingly the other questions. Mr. K. had enabled
him to sytltat'the finds were -entirely WS Own
private properq, and that he acted only .from
view of 'public •gobd...
77r, PL",-,:...e-:'4'n.jed•that he had asked any Lines 7
tion.of Mr. Kenny,, in a-i'4 :_e that evinced :any.
desire to catechise him—nor was arty cfle of his
iaterrogatories dictated .by a spirit of idle .curiosi-
ty. Ile hail not premised' his questions, by stat-
ing that his institutions were contrary to law ; he
Merely observed, that doubts had beet; expressed
'in Parliathent, :.and that it'would be the tiest•po=
licy for him to state explicitly what the object of
the institution was. He also informed Mt'. Kenny,
that the ntinOst jealotrzy was manifested of- the
Society of the Jesuits by this Government ;
much so, that their property in Cantida had
formerly confiscated and it was a little cut
that a man who, when he became a Jesuit
a Vow ot poverty, should be possessed of 3
He adted the question relative to, the' fund!

establishment; and made the observation
done, lc.T Mr. Kenny might aTterwerds
had .seeti the Chief Secretary, who Imd aeu,
in the propriety of his estublishthent.---At
terview he had with Mr. Kenny, he prtrtii
told him, that, 'at a future time, the smite he

which I►:ui induced the. British fiovert►rt►e;i,

confiscate the property of the Jcsiits
thiglit•leadto strong measures in Ir•elam,.

Sir J. NL;wrowr7 —The Jesuit property in
Canal' WaS not confiscated : but no more Jesuits,
Were to he allowed ; by which mcanS the ‘Vtiol,4
property came into one man's hands, who heist it
to the last.

Mr. PELLE observed, that then the order
at an end.

Sir J. CORE HIPPISLEY read part of the instruc-
tions to Canadn, and shoved that they were sup-
pressed as a body, and all their rightS and -pro-
perty vested in the Crown, till the Royal pleasure
should be declared; the existing Jesuits being al-
!Owed to remain. The lands confiscated 'were
granted to LordAmiterst,who afterwards commuted
them for a sum.' All other nations acted towards
them, after the .bull,. as Great Britain had done.—
After the abolition of the order by Pope Ganganelli,
orders Were written to Ireland to pay over ail pro-
perty remaining to certain ecclesiastical persons;
'part was left with the Jesuits till they expired. A
question had been raiser, whether Jesuits had.been
restored. Cardinal Borgia had denied that the late
Pope had ever done so. Yet some said he 113(1
revived them 'by 'his circular viva veires The
30,0001. were avowed to be private property by a
Man who had made a vow of poverty ; this was a
serious subject to Government. These things
continued 'must lead to something dangerous,
the chief People'ot Ireland were indifferent to them:
The present Pope was a man of excellent moral
character; yet he must be devotedto his church ;

and it was possible that, under particular advie,:,
and looking to the Jesuits as the most potent in;
strunient of Catholic influence, who Lad 'for*berly
wormed themselves into the confessional of altuo,t
nll Courts, he might be persuaded to grant his
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for the restoration of the Order:

The paper was then ordered N) he printed, to-
gether with the reprinting of several others whk!)
had been laid before the House iu last May and
June.