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remedy a great grievance. It was very true that many
persons entered into the orders of the Church of Eng-
land, as others did also into Dissenting congregations,
without either a due consideration of the duties to which
they were binding themselves, or they did so from im-
pulses to which all young persons were liable. Yet, if in
after times when, either from perceiving that they were
incompetent to the discharge of functions to which they
had been promoted either from the possession of Church
patronage in their families, or from some other cause,
they were unable to enter into any trade or into any
other profession—(Hear, hear)—What this Bill pro-
vided was, that those who had once entered into the
orders of the Church should thence and for ever be
precluded from the privileges which were enjoyed
by every lay subject of the realm.—(Hear, hear.)
This was a matter which much more intimately con-
cerned members of the Church than it did him,
who was a Dissenter; but he did think that they ought
to be relieved from that difficulty which the Church in-
terposed to her clerical members from entering into any
other profession, and that was an evil which in his opi-
nion ought to be removed.
Mr. GLADSTONE was anxious to prevent the im-
pression that any case of persecution had taken place
under any authority of the Church. The law, let it be
what it might, was ono passed for social and political,
and not any exclusively ecclesiastical purposes.—(Hear.)
It was true that greater obstacles were presented to the
transference of those who had once entered into holy
orders from that profession to any other; and when he
looked at the solemn duties which they had deliberately
undertaken to fulfil he did conceive that some check
should be placed upon a frivolous abrogation of their
claims.—(Hear, hear.) Many pointed and pertinent
observations had been made upon the levity with which
these duties were in many instances assumed, and he did
think that those observations were the best arguments
that could be adduced in support of those rules which
had been adopted for the proper regulation of the Church.
After a few words from Mr. Evans and Mr. Hope, and
from Mr. Lacy, in explanation, the House divided,
when there appeared—
For the instruction
Against it ...
Majority against it
The instruction was consequently lost.
The Ist, 2d, and 3d clauses were then agreed to with
some verbal amendments.

... ... 65
... 132
... ... -67

Clauses 4 and 5 were also agreed to.j
On clause 6 being proposed,
Mr. HENLEY suggested that the clause should be
divided into two as it embraced two„distinct parts of the
subject.
Mr. BOUVERIE agreed with the suggestion and
consented to the clause being so divided.
Mr. LACY moved that all the words after the
words " may be" in line 33 of clause 61be omitted.
The CHAIRMAN said, before they could entertain
the amendment, they must consent to the division.
The division was accordingly agreed to, and the first
part was agreed to as clause 6.
On the other part of the clause being put,
Mr. LACY renewed his amendment, which is given
above.

Mr, FOX said, under the present state of the law a
seceding clergyman was pursued to the very grave for
seceding-from the Church.—(Hear, hear.) The House
would seem to pursue a seceding clergyman in a vindic-
tive spirit simply because he was a seceding clergyman.
Mr. WALPULE said the proposition merely left a
discretion in a clergyman of the Church of England to
administer the rites and ceremonies of the Church in the
same way as he would do to any other person who was a
Dissenter from the Church.—(" No, no.")
After a few words from Mr. BOUVERIE,
Mr. GLADSTONE could not understand, when they
dispensed with all penalty and formality, that the Bill
would convey a stigma upon Dissenters. Dissenters
were not exelusled from taking holy orders in connexion
with the Church—indeed, there were hundreds of
clergymen of the Church who were formerly Dissenters.
On these grounds he did hope that the House would
take a view in conformity with this suggestion, so that
as the consciences of all men were entitled to respect,
the clause might pass without any obstacle to its
effective operation.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir G. GREY said that he was certainly impressed
with the necessity of treating with respect a clause
which bad come recommended by the unanimous
approval of the Committee, but the question was
what was the meaning put upon the clause
by the Committee. The Hon. and Learned Member
who had just stated his conviction with respect to the
Bill, and than whom there was no one to whose opinions
he was inclined to pay more respect, had stated
that his object was to place all Disenters in the
same position—(Hear, hear)—but yet he made
considerable difference between those who had first been
members of the: ecclesiastical body, and those who had
not. Now he thought that all Dissenters ought to be
placed in the same position by this Bill, and it did seem
a hard case that because any one happened
to have been in holy orders, that they were not en-
titled as much as others to have their marriages cele-
brated or their burials conducted according to the rites
of the Church of England.—(Hear, hear.) He
was not sufficiently learned in ecclesiastical law as
to be able to speak positively, but he did believe
that the law of the land and the law of the Church was
this, that any clergyman could be compelled to adminster
the rites of burial to the corpse of any person not pro-
scribed by the law. At any rate, such was the decision
of the Court of Queen's Bench, and the clause was com-
petent to all the purposes which it was intended to ac-
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Mr. ROUNDELL PALMER said that, as a Member
of the Select Committee, he felt it to be his duty to as-
sist the House as far as he was able from
the experience be had attained in the Select Committee.
It was his impression that the views of his Hon. and
Learned Friend the Member for Midhurst (Mr. Walpole),
and of his Right Hon. and Learned Friend the Member
for the University of Oxford (Mr. Gladstone) were quite
reconcileable with each other.

Mr. R. PALMER said he must say that be had most
acute sympathy with those clergymen who scrupled to
administer the rites of the Church, and who, whether
in morals or doctrine, were decidedly opposed to its
principles.
Colonel THOMPSON suggested that the fair thing
would be to let the House know exactly what was meant
by the clause, and then to see if something could not be
introduced to meet with general satisfaction.
Mr. C. LIJSHINGTON said the Select Committee
had passed the clause unanimously, but he did not
believe that any of the. Committee knew of the harsh
and unchristian way in which it would operate.
After a few words from Mr. GLADSTONE,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thought it highly in-
expedient that the clause should be introduced in its
present form. His objection to it was of a twofold cha-
racter—first, because it put a particular class of dissent
under certain penalties; and second, because the canon
law was set up against the civil law.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. SPOONER asked the Attorney-General whether,
if a clergyman seceded from the Church, a minister of
the Establishment could refuse afterwards to marry him?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that would be
the effect of the clause in its present form.
After a short discussion,
Mr. P. WOOD suggested that the clause should be
withdrawn.

The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the clause 57
Against it
Majority against --61
The clause was consequently rejected.
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the House
resumed.
COPYHOLD ENFRANCHISEMENT BILL.
The second reading of this Bill was postponed.
BANKRUPTCY (IRELAND) BILL.
This Bill was read a second time.

---EiLIESTRATORS' REMEDIES BILL.
This Bill was read a third lima.
SUPPLY.

The report of the Committee of Supply was ordered
to be brought up on Friday.
The Excheqaer-bills Bill (17,786,700 L) was read a
third time and. passed'. '
The liotise adjourned at Six o'clock.

We are requested to state Mr. Pigott was acciden-
tally absent from the division in favour of Mr. Ewart's
Bill for the Abolition of Capital Punishment.

FRANCE.

The following is published in a supplement of the
Semaphore of Marseilles :—" The steam-frigate
Sarn4, which left Civita Vecchia on the 27th, arrived
here this morning. 'We learn by her that the troops
forming the French expedition disembarked at Civita
Vecchia on the 25th and 26th. They occupied the town
without being compelled to have recourse to force.
Immediately on his arrival, Gen. Oudinotaddressei a
note to the Government, demanding admittance into
the town. The latter consulted with the authorities,
and, after two hours' deliberation, the gates were
opened to our troops, who were received with sym-
pathy by the inhabitants. The following order of the
day was immediately issued
Soldiers, the French flag floats on the forts of Civita
Vecchia. We had expected that we should be compelled
to effect a landing by force, and every measure had been
adopted to secure its success; but we are inspired with
the idea of our Government, which, associated with the
generous feelings of Pius 11. wished to avoid as much as
possible the effusion of blood. The authorities of Civita
Vecchia, yielding to the wishes of the inhabitants,
opened the gates of the town to us at the first summons.
This reception, you will feel, adds to our duties ; it
would aggravate any breach of discipline ; it commands
us not only to respect the people, but to keep up the
most friendly relations with them. The &et will, in a
few days, bring us considerable reinforcements. Soldiers
of the land forces, I am your organ in thanking our
brethren in arms of the navy ; it is to their powerful co-
operation that we owe our first success.
(Signed) OUDINOT DE REGGIO.'
" A part of the French troops are quartered in
Civitia Vecchia, and the rest are encamped under the
walls and in the neighbourhood. The duty of the
town is confided half to the French and half to the
Roman troops. The steam flotilla left Civita Vec-
chia on the 27th for Toulon, where it will embark
fresh Troops. The Sane will return immediately
with a squadron of Chasseurs." The Nouvelliate has
the following Not only did our soldiers meet
with no opposition, but they were received with
acclamations by the people and by the National
Guard. Our flag, united with the Pontifical colours,
has been hoisted on all points of the town. At the
feparture of the steamer, it was reported that the