The Sun.
London, England, 1849-11-27 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 27, 1849.

the wholesale manner in which ballast was discharged
in the Straits, had materially and seriously injured
the navigation. Had a tidal gauge been kept that fact
would have appeared very evident to every one.
Mr. Jones said, in reply to Captain Claxton, that,
as harbour master, he was of opinion that the removal
of some of the weirs and large stones, especially those
between Beaumaris and Penmon, would improve the
navigation; but he thought the proposed pier at
Garth would be an improvement.
In reply to Captain Askew, Mr. Jones stated that
he had never been the master of a vessel, nor had he
ever been at sea in his life.
John Williams, thought that the proposed pile
pier would improve the navigation. The ruins of the
old weir, Gorad y Gut, was very dangerous to stran-
gers sailing in either ships or boats. He had not long
since sent a boat over from Anglesey, and saved a man
whose boat had been scuttled on one of the old piles
of the weir.
Captain Parry thought that a vertical ladder, at the
extremity of the proposed pile pier, would do instead
of Grisia Bach as a landing place.
Dr. 0. 0. Roberts stated that the object of the
memorialists, whom he represented, was to preserve a
safe and convenient landing place for the use of the
public, such as Grisia Bach had always been. The
last thing they would think of would be to put Mr.
Dodson unnecessarily to the slightest trouble or ex-
pense.
Captain Claxton congratulated the meeting upon
the kind feeling which evidently existed among all
parties.
Mr. Wyatt suggested a path by means of a parapet
to a proper pier at the western side of where Grisia
Bach landing place had been closed.
Captain Claxton then adjourned the meeting to
twelve, which was afterwards changed to eleven
o'clock, on Wednesday, the 21st inst., so that Mr.
Dodson might, in the mean time, prepare plans and
sections of the required accommodation.
On Wednesday, at the appointed time, the plan of
the accommodation proposed was submitted to the
meeting. It was, instead of a parapet, to place wooden
steps, or rather a ladder to the westward of the pro-
posed pier, with a free path of four feet wide from
them to the road ouside of the slate yard.
Captain Claxton requested Dr. 0. 0. Roberts to
explain the plan to those, whom he facetiously desig.
rutted his constituents.
After the plan had been carefully examined, it was
unanimously pronounced utterly inadequate as a
substitute for Grisia Bach.
A good deal of desultory conversation then took
place, Captain Askew calling attention to the fact, that
there was at that very time close to the place a vessel
discharging ballast between high and low water mark,
a great part of which would, every tide, be carried off
by the ebb and flow to form banks, injurious to the
navigation.
Captain Claxton asked Mr. Dodson what he proposed
next ?

...__
Mr. Dodson replied that the more favour was
granted the more was demanded.
Dr. O. 0. Roberts said that there was nothing
asked as a favour. The ancient landing place of
Grisia Bach, and the free use of the adjoining beach,
which had been illegally enclosed, was claimed as a
right. They were all anxious to accommodate Mr.
Dodson as far as possible, but they would not be
satisfied without having as a substitute for Grisia
Bach, a place where they could land and leave their
boats in a shelter.
A stone pier, with stone steps, was then proposed to
communicate with a four feet wide path, and acceded
to, provided it be made of proper dimensions.
At this period Mr. Williams, solicitor, of the firm
of Lloyd, Roberts, Williams, and Jones, Carnarvon,
arrived, and gave Captain Claxton and the meeting
officially formal notices, by directions of the Commis-
sioners of Woods and Forests, that they claimed all
the shore ground on the coast, between high and low
water mark, as the property of the Crown ; and utterly
denied the Bishop's claim;
Captain Claxton—All the shore ground, as well
within as without people's weirs !
Mr. Williams—Yes, certainly ! Prima facie, all
the shore ground is unquestionably Crown property,
unless where the Crown has disposed or alienated it.
Mr. Vincent Williams—What, all the shore
ground ! The shore ground is very extensive, Mr.
Williams. Does the Crown's claim extend to the
French shore!
Mr. Williams—When the Crown of France was
worn by the Sovereigns of England, those Sove-
reigns claimed the shore ground on the French coast,
and should her present Majesty become Queen of
France, she would unquestionably again claim that
shore ground, in right of that crown.
The meeting broke up apparently very abruptly,
when neither plans nor specifications of the pro-
posed works, as a substitute for Grisia Bach, were
produced.
This preposterous claim extends in length about
six miles along the Menai, and includes a portion
leased in July, 1844, by the Woods and Forests to
Thomas Assheton Smith, Esq. We are informed
that under some just as valid a claim, the 7001.
awarded to the Crown from the Chester and Holy-
head Company for Crown's land in Anglesey, have
been quietly paid over and received, not by the Crown.

THE NEW EDINBURGH CORN

MARKET.

It has been arranged that the formal opening of
the new Corn-market is to take place on the first
Wednesday of December. Business will, of course,
be transacted as usual in the old building on that
day, but it will afterwards be transferred en-
tirely to the new and more commodious structure
which has been reared, a few yards distant,
on the south side of the Grass-market. The
present market-place was erected in the year
1817. In the course of the 32 years that have elapsed
since that time, the Edinburgh corn-market has been
gradually rising in importance, and it is now on all
hands admitted to be the leading grain mart in Scot-
land. Although Mark-lane is the principal regulator
of prices, our local market's range of influence is,
nevertheless, very wide, and always extending. This
is mainly to be attributed to the circumstance
that Edinburgh is situated in the very centre of the
great corn-growing district of the Lothians. It is
also partly to be ascribed to the facilities of commu-
nication we possess in the number of railways which
concentrate in this city, and radiate to almost every
quarter of the kingdom. Our market unquestionably
owes much to the railways; and but for the accom-
modation which they afford, it is doubtful whether
it would ever have surpassed Haddington in
the way that it has dune. In consulting the
weekly reports of the Edinburgh and Haddington
markets, even after our present market-place had for
some years been built, we find that the sales in the latter
generally exceeded those in the former. The present
market-place could never have been well adapted for
the purpose which it was intended to serve. It was
always dark—a great objection in a grain market;
and very soon after it came to be used it was found
to be too limited for the business transacted in it. A
consideration of these circumstances led the town
council to apply to Parliament for power to erect a
new market-place. The Bill giving this power, and
allowing the council to borrow, in prosecution of
their object, a sum not exceeding 20,0001. upon
the faith of the market dues, received
the Royal assent on the 21st of June, 1847. Having
obtained the necessary authorization from Parlia-
ment, the council set vigorously to work—purchased
a site in the Grass-market, within a short distance
of the present market, got the old houses which
stood upon the site taken down and removed, pro-
cured plans and entered into contracts, and now,
after a lapse of little more than two years, we re-
ceive notification of the fact that the elegant and spa-
cious building which has been reared will be com-
pleted and ready for occupation in the first week of
December. We understand that the outlay connected
with the erection of the new market will nearly ex-
haust the 10,0001. allowed to be expended on the
building. Whether what remains of the 20,0001., after
paying the:purchase money of the site, cost of the Act,
&c., will be sufficient to enable the council to take
advantage of the authority which they have in the
statute, to acquire the lands which are described in the
schedule as situated immediately west from the Grass-
market, and between the road leading by King's
Stables to St. Cuthbert's Church on the north, the
street of Wester Portsburgh on the south, and the
Lady Wynd on the west, remains to be seen.
The new building was designed by Mr. Cousin, is in
the Italian style, massive, elegant, and well suited to
the site which it occupies. The mouldings are rich
and imposing, without the necessity of having had
a great deal of labour expended upon them. The
design of the windows, which is varied in all the
three stories, is very effective ; and there is a hand-
some Doric doorway, with two rustic columns. The
main front of the building is about 98 feet in breadth
and 60 feet in height. The remainder of the façade
is made up of two wings, both receding about 13
feet, having staircases within—that on the west being
carried up as a campanile, or bell and clock tower.
Upon getting inside the building we discover for the
first time, that that part of it at which we
have been looking from the street is, in reality, only
the vestibule, and that the market, somewhat in
the style of a railway station, but having a
triple roof, stretches away a considerable distance
to the rear. The roofing of the back part is con-
siderably lower than file front. It is supported,
in the centre, by two rows of metal pillars; and is
entirely lighted from the roof by means of patent tile-
glass. The extent of the entire area of the building
east
os
is 152 feet from north to south, and 92 feet from
Niv,
amplee ;
so
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there
purposes of the market.—Scotsman.

A HUNGRY Pecx.—The Monmouthshire hounds,
last week, ran into the fox a long way a-head of the
horsemen, and ate him up, bones and all, not evert a
remnant of the brush being left.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS' COURT, Nov. 26.

(Before the CHIEF COMMISSIONER.)
IN THE MATTER OF RENTON NICHOLSON.

The insolvent, who was the proprietor of the Gar-
rick's Head, in Bow-street, but who is better known
by the title which he has been pleased to take upon
himself of " Chief Baron Nicholson," in the character
of President of the Judge and Jury Society, came
up on an adjourned application for his discharge.
Mr. Cooke supported; Mr. Sargood opposed, on
behalf of Mr. Morrison, baker, creditor No. 89, for
691.; Mr. Shenton, for whom he appeared on the last
occasion, had withdrawn his opposition.
It will be recollected, from a report under the head
of the "Bankruptcy Court," that a Mr. Thomas
Foulkes, of No. 4, Victoria-terrace, Stockwell, pre-
ferred a claim against the estate of Mr. Ellis, of the
Cremorne Gardens, for about 1,7001, on account of
four unpaid acceptances for 1,5001., and interest
thereupon, of the bankrupt's, that had been paid to
him by the insolvent Nicholson. Mr. Commissioner
Shepherd on that occasion refused to allow the proof
to be received, chiefly on the ground that Mr. Foulkes's
1 and Mr. Nicholson's acquaintance having commenced
in the Queen's Bench Prison, he was not satisfied upon
the point as to how Mr. Foulkes could have become
possessed of a sum sufficient to give clue consideration
for the bills. The insolvent stated that he had re-
ceived them from Mr. Ellis in payment for his in-
terest in the Cremorne Gardens, and that he had paid
them to Mr. Foulkes in discharge of a judge's order
for 730/. and certain overdue acceptances. An ad-
journment of the insolvent's application had been
ordered, principally with a view to obtain the pre-
sence of Mr. Foulkes and a Mr. John Pook, to the
latter of whom the insolvent alleged he had given bills
of Mr. Ellis to the amount of 4001., in liquidation of
a debt due under a formerjinsolvency.
Mr. Foulkes was now examined—He said he was
of no business. He discounted bills sometimes.
Mr. SARGOOD—I should think not sometimes, but
very often, from the statement now before me.
Mr. Foulkes—lt was pretty often.
Mr. SARGOOD—And what rate of interest may you
charge ? Mr. Foulkes—That's according to the
character of the borrower.—(A laugh.)
The COMMISSIONBIL—Mind you don't catch a Tar-

tar, Mr. Sargood.
Examination continued—He sometimes charged 20
per cent., sometimes 30 per cent., upon the insol-
vent's bills. He advanced Mr. Ellis, during the last
winter, about 2,0001. Did not like to go on advanc-
ing him money whilst the insolvent had so large an
interest in the Cremorne Gardens. Upon Nicholson
selling his interest to Mr. Ellis, he •(Yr. Foulkes)
received the amount in the shape of Ellis's accept-
ances to the insolvent for 1,500/. The insolvent was
at the time indebted to him on account of a judge's
order for 730/., and a number of unpaid bills. A
sum of 2041. was charged upon these bills for in-
terest. _ _ _ _

Mr. SARGOOD—You may retire Mr. Foulkes. I
understand Mr. Pook, who has got a large number
of similar bills, is unable to attend, being very ill.—

(A laugh.)
The insolvent—l have done all in my power to
serve him with a subpama. I have been at his house
many times, but could get no other answers than such
as that he is out of town, or wont be in town, or is
ill. lam sure there is no valid reason why he should
not attend.—(A laugh.)
Mr. SARGOOD addressed the Court in opposition.
The insolvent had given his only available assets to
Mr. Foulkes and Mr. rook, and this at a period
when he was in a state of irrecoverable insolvency.
Hence he complained, on the part of the creditors to
the extent of about .5,000/., that whilst Mr. Foulkes
got these bills for 1,5001., and Mr. Pook took other
bills to the amount of 4001. in payment of a debt due
under a former insolvency, there was not so much as
one shilling for them. The insolvent had been guilty
of giving au undue if not a fraudulent preferenc-1, and
he asked for a remand. _ _ _

Mr. COOKE submitted that his Learned Friend ap-
peared net for creditors to the amount of 5,0001., but
for one creditor only. That creditor was Mr. Mor-
rison, with whom the insolvent had been dealing many
years, and with whom he was now dealing and pay-
ing ready money. No ground of complaint had been
sustained on behalf of Mr. Morrison as to the mode
in which the insolvent had contracted his debt ; nor
had it been shown that the insolvent had, in paying
away the bills as he had done, any evil intention. He
had paid many debts under former insolvencies.
The COMMISSIONER intimated to Mr. Cooke that it
was not necessary to prolong his address.
Mr. COOKE said he would, in conclusion, only ask
the Court to permit him to give the insolvent a little
good advice. He found in his brief a few lines very,
appropriate to the occasion. The insolvent was,
amongst his other avocations, a poet; and he (Mr
Cooke) wished to advise him, if he was desirous of
not coming there again, to stick to his proper business
—that of poet among the rest—and avoid all dealings
with bill discounters. The lines to which he referred
were entitled " Poetry by R. N., poet and pub-
lican."
The COMMISSIONER —Anything else?—(Laughter.)
Mr. Cools—His Honour might well ask that

question. his client's avocations were doubtless ver-
satile. But to come to tha poetry.
The COMMISSIONER—Pray let us have it, if it's
anything good.—(Laughter.)
Mr. COOKE proceeded, amidst much merriment, to
read the following lines :
"Oh give me the valued Promethean light
(Which the bold mythological thief
Obtained from Olympus by stealth in the night)
To embellish my p2ige and my leaf.
" His fate hath no terrors for me or my brain,
At the fury of Jove I don't shiver;
For years have the lawyers, again and again,
Like vultures, been gnawing my liver.
" It's true for a small sum I'm not held in chains,
But how apt is the metaphor hit on—
The discounter's hard heart is the source of my pains,
Aye, that is the rock I have split on."
(Great laughter.) Aye, that was the rock he bad
split on—(Laughter)—and he (Mr. Cooke) would
admonish him never to forget his own beautiful
poetry—(Laughter)—but of all other things,
throughout his future career, to avoid the bill dis-
counter.
The COMMISSIONER—I suppose you have settled the
case now, Mr. Cooke.
Mr. SArtGoon (observing that Mr. Cooke had taken
his seat)—The poetry has certainly settled my
Learned Friend.—(Laughter.)

Hig HONOUR said he aid not think the case was one
in which he was called upon to pronounce an adverse
judgment ; and the insolvent was declared entitled to
his final order.

(Before Mr. Bur.LocK..)
CENTRALNCERWIM-AL COURT.
COURT.
to have been
appeared stolen.
for
the
Jacob Vandenberg, aged 46, a dealer, who sur-
rendered in Court, was indicted for receiving a quail-
titymort:
prosecution, and Mr. Parnell for the prisoner.
In appeared that on the morning of the 224 of
property,
knowing
and .Nglr. it
O'Brien .
September the premises belonging to Mr. Barber,
wharfiiger of Lower Thames-street, were broken
into, and a quantity of metal screws and about half a
hundred weight of white lead,were stolen. Suspicion
falling upon a man named Jones, who had been in
their employment, he was taken into custody by
one of the City police, who met him on the evening of
the same day near Aldgate Church. Some informa-
tion having then been given, the constable went to the
house of Vandenberg, who keeps a marine store-
dealer's shop in Rosemary-lane, and there found
behind the weighing machine the cask of lead covered
with an old sack. Vandenberg then said to the officer,
"I have been looking for you; I have sent down to the
station for Sergeant Kelly. Do you take me for a
witness ?" The officer said " No, as a receiver."
Vandenberg then said, "I have let a man have
6s. on it, but told him I would not buy it."
The prisoner's house was then searched, and the
metal screws were found hidden under the counter.

The prisoner Jones, who was arraigned upon the
charge last session, and pleaded guilty, was admitted
as evidence, and stated that the prisoner Vandenberg,
after buying the screws on the Friday previously to
the robbery, and knowing him to be at Mr. Barber's,
asked him if he could not get some white lead, and
said he would give 9s. a cwt. for it, and told him if
he should not find his front door open, he could come
round to the side one. lie (Jones), however, could
not get it that night, but did during the early part
of next morning, and at seven o'clock took it to the
prisoner's shop, who at a later period of the day ad-
vanced him 6s. on it.
For the defence it was attempted to be established
that the lead had been left at the prisoner's house
during his absence, and that he was about to give
information to the police that all was not right, and
had advanced the 6s. on it to insure the return of
Jones, that he might be given into custody.
Several police-constables of the district where Van-
denberg lived gave him a good character, and said
that he had been in many instances the means of ob-
taining convictions against thieves who had brought
stolen goods to his shop.
The jury found the prisoner Guilty, and he,
together with Jones, was sentenced to twelve months'
imprisonment and hard labour.

GrITTA, PERCHA.—A vessel just arrived in one of
the docks, from New York, has brought 2,724 parcels of
gutta percha, as a portion of her cargo. The importa-
tion of this novel article of merchandise has not been
usual from the United States of America.
CHINESE IRON.—The vessel Mencius, arrived at the
port of Liverpool from liong.kong, has brought 2,990
pigs of iron, as a portion of her cargo, consigned to a
firm of eminence. This is a very interesting importa-
tion from the Chinese empire.
The Dundalk and Enniskillen Railway directors
have made a final call of V. 103. a share, payable 31st
December next.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
GUILDHALL.

Thomas Chesletl, of No. 11, George-street, Man-
sion-house, and who also carried on the business of a
warehouseman under the names of Burge, Chezlett,
and Co.' in Sise-lane, was brought up for final exami-
nation before Mr. Alderman Gibbs, charged with
obtaining goods and cash by means of forged orders,
and also with obtaining goods under false pretences
from various persons.

There were numbers of persons in the court to
prefer charges, but the Alderman thought that three
would be sufficient to send him for trial.

The evidence taken on former occasions, and which
has already appeared before the public, was read over,
when

Webb, the city detective officer, who has the pri-
soner in custody, said that Mr. Burge, the person
whom he represented to be his partner, and a very
rich man, was then in court.

Mr. John Burge, of 71, New North-road, mer-
chant's clerk,' said that he 'never was in partnership
with the prisoner, nor di-I' he give him authority to
issue a card with his name on it. In fact, he never to
his knowledge saw the prisoner before.
The prisoner said the Mr. Burge, his partner, had
died a little time hack.

Alderman Grum asked him if he wished to say
anything ?—The prisoner (funning) said he should
reserve his defence.

Alderman Ginn3 committed him on three charges,
and the depositions being made out, he was conveyed
to Newgate.

TVORSHIP-STREET.

William Ashby, a farmer-looking young fellow,

living at Grreenford, near Hanwelcwis brought up
before Mr. Hammill to answer a bastardy war-
rant under tho following somewhat peculiar cir-
cumstances :

The complainant, a tall, handsome young woman, I
named Ellen Gilby, stated that while in the service
of a gentleman's family at Greenford, last year, she
formed the acquaintance of the defendant, who pro-
fessed the most honourable feelings towards her ; but
the result was that she found herself in a condition,
some time afterwards, which rendered her retention
of her situation any longer impossible, and she there-
fore threw it up and went to the house of her mother,
at which she was confined in February last. She
had repeatedly written to the defendant, complaining
of the position in which he had placed her, but he
took not the least notice of her communications, and
she afterwards found that this was to be accounted
for by the fact that he had since got more advanta-
geously married to another young woman.
The complainant's mother proved calling upon the
defendant to remonstrate with him upon the conduct
he had pursued towards her daughter, and that he
then admitted that the complaint was not without
foundation, but expressed his determination to do
nothing in the matter until he was legally com-
pelled, and the present proceedings were therefore
adopted.
A solicitor who attended for the defendant was
instructed to give a positive denial to the fact of his
client's liability, which was stated to more properly
belong to another person named Keefe, who he should
be able to prove had been long acquainted with the
complainant, and on constant visiting terms with her.
The complainant was thereupon recalled, and having
indignantly denied that there were the slightest
grounds for such an insinuation, stated, that though
it was true that she really did know such a person as
Keefe, the fact was, that after he had rendered himself
liable to the present proceedings by his misconduct
towards her, the defendant had himself introduced
Keefe to her as an acquaintance of his, and she
therefore at her master's house received him as such,
but nothing more. Keefe was afterwards in the habit
of coming to the house repeatedly, and would sit
about the premises for an hour or two at a time,
unnoticed by anybody, and generally by himself, and
on her mentioning this singular conduct of Keefe to
the defendant, he spoke in high terms of Keefe, arid
offered to give her a handsome pecuniary recompense
if she would marry hirri, but she indignantly rejected
such a strange overture, and had never regarded
Keefe in such a light as would justify its being made
to her.

Keefe, a simple•looking country fellow, who kept
the audience in incessant merriment by the oddness of
his replies, was then called and entirely confirmed the
complainant's evidence, the substance of his own
being that the defendant had spoken to him of Miss
Gilby as a deserving young woman, who would make
an excellent wife, and that, as he had no particular
objection, he had upon a great many occasions availed
himself of such opportunities as presented themselves
for seeking an interview with her ; but he declared
most positively that he had not the slightest idea at
the time that she would be shortly confined, and said
that her conduct had always appeared to him to be
perfectly correct, and such in every respect as it
ought to be.
Mr. HAMMSLL thereupon told the defendant's soli-
citor that he considered this testimony had conclu-
sively fixed the liability of his client, and he had
therefore no hesitation whatever in making the order
upon him customary in such cases, and amercing him
in the costs that had been incurred in consequence.
The defendant declared that he should not abide by
the order, but it was made notwithstanding.

THE PACHA OF EGYPT'S CHALLENGE

TO THE JOCKEY CLUB.
(From Bell's Life in London.)
Mr. Greville, in favouring us some weeks since
with particulars of the challenge from his Highness
the Pacha of Egypt, which it will be recollected was
communicated to him through the medium of Mr.
Charles Murray, the British Consul-General, stated
that, previous to entering into any preliminary ar-
rangements with regard to the match, he had thought
it right to put a variety of queitions as to certain points
on which he deemed it essential information should
be supplied. In a very interesting communication
received by the last overland mail, Mr. Murray an-
swers the questions seriatim, and Mr. Greville hav-
ing courteously furnished us with a copy of the
correspondence, we cannot better consult the wishes
of our readers than by publishing it at length.
The match, should it be made, cannot be run until
next year.

" London, Sept. 30, 1849.
"My dear Murray,—l have received your letter, with
the interesting challenge o❑ the part of the Pacha of
Egypt. I intend to read it to the Jockey Club at a
meeting there will be at Newmarket next week, and to
publish a letter (which I will write) in Bell's Life, an-
nouncing that such a challenge has been made, in order
that any persons who may be disposed to accept it may
have the opportunity of coming farward. I think it by
no means unlikely that the match may be made, but as
the owners of valuable horses will not be induced to in-
cur the expense and risk of the voyage, to say nothing
of the stake, without previously obtaining the most
ample information on all points, I think it better (to
save time) to ask you to take the trouble to give me an-
swers on the following points, on which I anticipate that
inquiries will be made of me:—
In
depended on? Is he certain to hold to the match if
made, and not back out, and leave the English in the
lurch, with all their trouble, risk, and expense?
"2d. In whose hands would the stakes be deposited?
" 3d. Would the course be a tract of ground ten miles
long, or a round course to be gone over repeatedly,
making the whole distance ten miles? It would, in
fact, be necessary we should know exactly what sort of
course we should have to run over, and whether it would
be a rave-course or a tract of country. If the latter,
whether it would be such as the English jockeys could
find their way over?
4th. Should we be quite certain of fair play, and of
no interruptions or molestations, if we had the best of it?
" sth. Are there any races at Cairo, and have the
horses the Pacha would enter ever run races?

" 6th. Do you know whether horses brought by sea
(which I suppose would be the best way) from England
to Egypt have suffered from the voyage, and how long
it would take for them to recover from the effects, and
be in condition to run?

" 7tb. Have any English horses ever run races over
the sands you describe, and is it aupposed that their
action and their speed are, or are not, affected by ground
so different from what they are accustomed to?
" This is a long list of queries, but in a matter in-
volving such large sums (besides the credit of the Eng-
lish turf) you will excuse my troubling you with them.
" Yours, &c.,
" C. GREVILLE."
" Cairo, Oct. 28.

" My dear Greville,—ln reply to your letter of the
30th of September, I will now proceed to give you,
categorically, answers, so far as I am able to do so, to
all your inquiries. I have just returned from a visit to
the Pacha, with whom I held a long conversation on the
subject of the proposed race, and all the points which I
name in this letter as dependent upon him, you may feel
assured are correct, as I had them from his own lips,
without the intervention of an interpreter. I now take
your questions in the order in which you put them.
" Ist. I consider that his Highness is fully to be de-
pended on quoad the bona fide determination to hold
the match; and, moreover, he feels so confident of win-
ning it that he twice repeated, before very many wit-
nesses, that he would give the English horse a start of
the length of his Desert Palace, about 300 yards. I pre-
sume our English pride would scorn to accept this prof-
, fered advantage.
" 2d. As to the stakes. The Pacha leaves the amount
entirely to the English. He is ready to stake any sum,
from 10,000/. to 50,000/., and would make no objection
to the stakes being deposited, on both sides, in any Eu-
ropean Consulate selected by the English.
"3d. The course would not be a circular or artificial
one, but a straight run over a tract of country. He
named the points of starting and winning to-day, and I
consider it to be a course of eleven or twelve miles. I
think I mentioned to you before that it is undulating
ground, not hilly; it is all sand, not hard, smooth sand,
like the New York race-ground, but in some places
nearly fetlock deep, in others rather stony; but, upon
the whole, it may be considered fair galloping ground,
though certainly not in English estimation fit to be
called a race-course.

"4th. There is no fear but what the English would
have fair play. His Highness will not smooth or level
the ground, but he will post men (soldiers) the whole
length of the course, to keep it free from all interruption.
" sth. We had lately some races here over a large
portion of the very same ground named for the race with
the English; the distance was about eight miles, it
might be a few furlongs more or less, as I doubt if it
has been accurately measured; the winner ran it in
about nineteen minutes. Ido not think the time could
have been taken with great accuracy, but I was on the
ground myself, and so many watches were used and corn -
pared, that I feel assured the error could not be more
than thirty seconds. The horses that ran in these
races were all of second quality, nor did the Pacha enter
any horse, much less any one such as he would produce
to run against the English. The truth is, that neither
I, nor any European here, has ever been allowed
to see his best horses, which he has studiously concealed
from the eyes of the projanum vulgus at his harem.
One thing is certain—that they are pure Arabs, and I
believe he has now the best Arab blood in the world. I
can tell you nothing about their actual speed; my im-
pression is that over our Newmarket or Ascot courses, of
two or three miles, they would be distanced by our se-
Fond-rate racers; but in bottom they are wonderful, and
if you are to make this match, it is bottom you must look
out for. Our horses are so superior in stride that there
is nothing to fear on the score of speed.
"6th. This question many persons in England are
better qualified to answer than myself. My belief is
that, supposing eight or ten horses were sent out here,
perhaps two or three might suffer from the voyage so
as not to be easily brought into running condition. But
if I were bringing out horses of my own from England
to run them here, I would most assuredly not submit
them to the tender mercies of the Atlantic and Bay of
Biscay, but would travel them through France and
Marseilles.
" 7th. This question, again, is one which, after the
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information I have given iou,- you and your colleagues
on the turf are much more able to answer than myself.
I believe that no English racer has ever run in this

country, but it stands to reason that horses accustomed
to run over two or three miles of smooth turf must hare

both their speed and action affected by being called upon
to run over twelve miles of uneven ground. It was on
this account I said in my last letter that in my opinion
a first-rate thorough-brad steeplechase horse would be
more likely to win a race of this kind than an ordi-
nary racehorse.
" Having now gone through your seven questions, I
add a few remarks for your; further information. I have
before mentioned that a portion of the ground to be run
over is rather stony—not large stones, but still large and
numerous enough to bruise a horse's foot when going at
full speed, and to risk throwing him down; as a protec-
tion agains this, the Arab horses are all shod with a shoe,
or rather plate, which covers the whole of the sole.
Whether English horses could, after a month or two's
practice, run in shoes of a similar make I know not, but
perhaps, for this particular course an English shoe, with
a leather to protect the sole, might be the preferable
plan. The horses should be sent out in November,
so as to have full two months to train here, as I
could not recommend fixing the race later than
February, on account of the heat. I would take care
that the ground should be named two months before the
race, to give the English jockeys and trainers full op-
portunity for knowing every inch of the course; and the
Pasha is so liberal in these matters that I have no doubt
he would run up a set of stables in acy spot we might
select. His Highness told me to-day that he meant to
enter two horses and two mares (though of course he
might add or subtract from this number at pleasure),
and that the English might enter any number they
pleased; but that he would have only one race, and that
he would consider that one as decisive of the trial be-
tween the Arab and English racers. His Highness
added, 'Let them send their host, and if I beat them,
let thorn not say these are inferior horses, we have better
in England. If I beat them once I shall consider that I
have beat their best, and I will not run any more.'
" I have only to add that the weights are to be entirely
at the option of the respective parties. Hoping that I
have now left no point unexplained, I re-enclose. you
Your letter, thinking it possible that you kept no copy of
it, in order that you may refer to your questions. My
full conviction is that you can beat your enemy, but do
not despise him; send good ones or none, for the honour
of Old England.
" Believe me, my dear Greville, very truly yours,
CIARLES A. MURRAY.
" P.S.—Since writing this letter I have received your
last note, and seen the letter in Bell's Life. Travellers
arriving from England by this steamer have oven
averred that the challenge is taken up in England, and
two of the horses already named. For Heaven's sake be
prudent, and let nothing bo done in a hurry; above all,
if possible, try and prevent any sporting volunteers from
sending out horses here on a speculation : if they lose,
they will disgrace us ; if they win, they will prevent the
great stake from being run for. I, on my part, will
urge the Pasha not to run against any horse or horses
not sent out with the sanction of the Jockey Club, at
least until the great race comes off. I have no doubt
you can win, but never having been myself on the turf,
or had practice in training horses, I cannot say whether
a racehorse or a steeplechase horse is the best for the
object in view. In my opinion, the race can hardly be
run this year; for you must send out a regular draft of
the conditions, to be approved and signed by both par-
ties, a forfeit declared in case of either withdrawing,
and your horses should be here in November early, in
order to give them a full two months' training here in
cold weather.

0. A.
In reference to the subject, the Bell's Life adds the
following letter, dated Malta, Nov. 13:—
" The last race at Cairo between Arabs, about two
months since, was said to have been run (eight miles) in
20 or 23 minutns—ono said 17 (it etas over the ground
which will probably be selected for the match); but of
this fact there is a question, as no regular time keeper
seems to have been on the ground, which is not so very
heavy, but irregular, with stones, which might, however,
be removed, and should be for an English thorough-

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