The Sun.
London, England, 1849-02-07 00:00:00

CHURCH IN INDIA.

Mr. ANSTEY gave Notice that he should on an early
day move an address for copies of all treaties and acts,
or ordinances, of the Local Legislatures of India and
thu Colonies, whereby or under which provision is made
for the ministers of the Roman Catholic Church in India.
Sir ROBERT INGLIS was proceeding to make some
remarks upon the subject, when
The SPEAKER reminded the Hon. Member that
whatever observations he wished to make must be made
when the motion was regularly before the House.
COMMERCE WITH BRAZIL.
_ _ _

Lord PALMERSTON raidthatthell;r7..Gentleman
(Mr. Bankes, we understood) opposite had asked him
whether there had been Any alteration made in the tariff
of Brazil under the late treaties. To this he had to reply
that though the alteration had been decided upon, it did
not corn into effect until the Ist January, 1850.
Mr. BRIGHT wished to know whether the alteration
of the tariff of Brazil depended at all upon any legisla-
tion, or any expected legislation in that House. So long
ago as 1845 it was understoci that there would be an
alteration in the Brazilian tariff, which had not yet
taken place; and ho was, therefore, anxious to know
whether that alteration depended at all on the proceed-
ings of the British Legislature ?
Lord PALMERSTON—CertainIy not.
BRITISH FLEE f IN THE BAY OF NAPLES.
Mr. URQUHART wished to ask the Secretary for
the Foreign Department if he would lay on the table of
the House the papers connected with the now concluded
negotiations which led to the presence, in the course of
last year, of a British squadron in the Bay of Naples.
Lord PALMERSTON would do so at the proper
time.

Mr. URQULTART wished to know when that time
would ho?

Lord PALMERSTON could not say, but there was a
" good time coming."—(Laughter.)
ASSESSMENT OF PROYERTY IN IRELAND.
Mr. G. HAMILTON moved for a return, showing,
as respects each union and each province in Ireland, the
annual value of property rated to the poor-rates; the
expenditure for the relief and maintenance of the poor;
the rata in the pound on the value of rated property
of such expenditure; the total number of paupers
relieved ; the proportion per cent. to the population of
the persons relieved ; and the rate per head on the total
number of paupers relieved, for the year ending the 29th
day of September, 1848; also a return, showing the total
sum expended during theyear ending the 29th day of Sep-
tember, 1848, for the relief of the poor in Ireland, under th•
present poor-law system; distinguishing the amount
and proportion of such expenditure applied
in actual relief to the poor in food and
clothing, in and out of the workhouses; and show-
ing also the amount and proportion of such expendi-
ture applied in defraying officers' salaries and expenses,
whether vice-guardians, inspectors, officers of work-
houses, relieving officers, and all other charges not com-
prised in actual sustenance, by food or clothing, of the
poor.

Sir W. SOMERVILLE was ready to grant the returns.
IRELAND.—SUSPENSION OF THE HABEAS
CORPUS ACT.

Sir GEORGE GREY said he rose, in pursuance
of the notice he had given on the first night of
the session, to ask for leave to bring in a Bill
for the continuance, for a limited period, of the
Act of last session for the suspension of the Habeas
Corpus Act in Ireland. Her Majesty's Government would
gladly have dispensed with such a motion if they felt
they could have done so consistently with their duty, and
that the time had arrived when they felt that the ordi-
nary powers of the law, with which the Government had in
ordinary times been entrusted, would have been sufficient
to enable the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland adequately to
discharge those responsib!e duties which attached to his
office. Tho Government were deeply sensible of the
gravity of the proposal which he (Sir G. Grey) had now
to make to the House. They were not insensible to
those serious objections which might, and ought to be
entertained, with respect to a temporary suspension
of the constitutional rights of the people of
this realm—(Hear, hear)—but they felt at the same
time that there might be exceptional cases in which
those objections could not obtain, end that there
might be a conviction—and a conviction entertained by
the best statesmen of the best times—that there were
circumstances in which the very spirit of our
Constitution demnnded a temporary and partial
suspension of those rights, in order to enable
the Government to maintain the constitution itself,
and to defend it against the assaults of those men who
might be seeking its overthrow. It is one of those oc-
casions which was held to justify the appeal which her
Majesty's Government made in July last for the Habeas
Corpus Act in Ireland, to which appeal Parliament cor-
dially responded, thereby giving moral effect to
that measure, without which it must have been compa-
ratively useless. But it was with a deep sense of the
responsibility attaching to those to whom the adminis-
tration of affairs in Ireland was confided, that the
Government had felt it impossible, consistently
with their duty, to recommend to Parliarnev_,
that these extraordinary powers should eease• u
stating the grounds on which the Governmenttad
had arrived at that conclusion, and on which
he at once
ask Parliament to assent to their proposal,
he now
admitted that the circumstances under which
d Ireland wer d
e e y
made this proposal as respected Ireland
Government
he should
different from those under which
ts
ension of this
asked to carry out the temporary
1 recent—had taken
any recent insurrection—
imwtehere were parties now in
Act in July last. Ho was notditahteeryesungw to state that
place in Ireland, and that
IFeland. They
rection in July last
had been told the insur
aid that the
mock insurrection,
arms against their Sovereign
in
was a
the Government to suppress
measures taken b
d'sproportionate to the occasion.
mockl insurrection on the part of
chancel
of the success of the
itt weremig h t unnecessarily ebseseanr i la_cyy
those who got it up—CHear, hear)—ho did not pretend
insurrectionary movement ist that country, for it would
there
stateere w
athat h
ei n
remotest
pteasrtt
have been put down by the loyalty of the people of that
le Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) Although success
country, and by the efficient and valuable constabulary
mightforee have attended the combined loyalty of the sub-
jects of her Majesty in Ireland, and the soldiery, and
the constabulary force there, it was frightful to think of
the horrors through which the inhabitants of that
country might have passed before that insurrection was
entirely suppressed • and he must say that the reproach
which rather attached to the Government in July
last was that they had been tardy in coming to that
House to ask for those extraordinory powers was to
some extent merited. The House could not have forgotten
the exhibition of violent and threatening language
which occurred in the papers for many months—day
after day coming from persons in Ireland inciting the peo-
ple to take up arms against their Sovereign, and endea-
vouring to seduce her troops and the constabulary force
from their allegiance, nor the details which appeared in
those papers, showing how the people might defeat and de-
stroy those soldiers) and that constabulary force, in the
execution of their duty. It was not right to
treat that insurrection as a contemptible affair
because it had failed. In June and July last
he could not enter that House without gentlemen
putting into his hands letters from persons in that coun-
try, detailing the extremities to which the insurrec-
tionary spirit was carried, and how, in some cases, gen-
tlemen had had the lead torn off the roofs of their
houses, to be fused into bullets for the rebels.
Those were the circumstances under which the Govern-
ment had come to Parliament last July for increased
tthtehe llnoLseurbryedre, fbe ru
there was one or two documents be felt bound to
powers, and those circumstances have been proved to have
t
He existed by every day's experience since. really felt he
should be almost wasting the time
thoaf•
ring further to the circumstances