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London, England, 1849-05-25 00:00:00

destruction of English shipping; but it was, moreover,
very unjust, as, with reference to the navigation of the
St. Lawrence, it quite deprived the Canadians or a
choice of traesit for their exports to this country, either
by le,vi York or the St. Lawresice. \Vith regard to the
\Vest Indies, the island of Trinidad complained, not of
the navigation-laws, bat of an order in Council, under
Act of Parlitem nt, which was not the navigation-law,
but in which it wits reverted, that by the navigation-
lew, that trade which by the Possession Act
should have come to it, was otherwise diverted.
On this point, and some others, the present
Bill contained contradictory provisions, her MkieeetY.,
being empowered to dispense with the fulfilment by
the colonies of certain conditions, which she neverthe•
less hail to certify the performance of. With these gretiC
discrepancies in view, he thought he should not be Ps'
titied in contending against minor provisions; but there
were one or two that ought not to pass by without notice,
because they entailed upon the shipowner the most one"
rous restrictions of the present system, exposing him at
the same time to an open competition. The Govern-
ment held out prospects of a renewal of the South Sc°
Whale Fishery. At present the oil could only be el"
ported from the foreign ports into which it was brought,
w here it was ent; red, and from which it was aftere tads
clear( d out. Ile contended that all seamen looked IWO
to
that provision of the navigation-laws which related
apprentices, as most essential to the welfare of the
maritime marine of this country. There was another
point on which he desired to make an observation. 13Y
the first cause, it was proposed to place the Lascar
upon the same footing as British seamen. This was
proposed to be done in ignorance of the demands of the
service, and in ignorance of the purpose of the existing
resolutions, The chief object of this part of the nev'.;
gation.laws was to save the Lascars, who, from their
physical structure, were not equal to the severe dude'
of sailors in all parts of the world. In conclusion, ile
would observe that he would give the Bill no furtber,
opposition, but would leave the entire responsibility et
gassing the measure upon the Government.—(Hear.)
Earl GREY contended that if the amendment whiel
the Noble Lord had proposed on a former evening We
been adopted, it would have been futile as regarded
Canada, and would have produced great discontent i°
the other colonies. Then, as regarded the whale fisher,'
he contended that they were perfectly justified in alter'
ing the protection given to British ships in respect to this
fishery, for, under protection, we had lost the whole of
the whale fishery, which would now be resuscitated
through the medium of vessels coming from New Zea-
land and other places, whose trade would be served hi
this new arrangement in respect to the whale fisher'''.
He would not, after the declaration by the Noble Lord.
that he would not further oppose the Bill, occupy their
Lordships' time at any great length.
After a few words from Lord Colchester, Earl Grle'
yille, and Earl Waldegrave,
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said that the Bishop
Oxford would not bring forward the amendment ef
which he had given notice until the third reading of the
Bill.
The clauses up to, and including clause eight, Or.
then agreed to.
Upon clause nine being proposed,
Lord ELLENBOROUGII objected to the Pew. eer
given to her Majesty in Councilto regulate the propornee
of foreign sailors to British in British merchant shit's,'.
and said that this power ,ought only to be vested in "e"
Majesty in Council in time aware
Earl GREY said that this proviso, was intended f°
meet the heavy draft that might be made upon the mgr
;
cantile marine to meet 'the wants of her Majesty's navy
a time of war; but there was great diffiulty in clefiewea
in an Act of Parliament. what was a time of war, 6'
therefore no alteration ought.to be made in the clause.
Lord ELLENBOROUH,, aftei thisirielanatine,°'
would withdraw his opposition toehe clause, which ri"-
consequenily agreed to.
Upon clause 10 being proposed,..
et'
Lord WHARNCLIFFE rose to object to the 1%10
precity clauses in 'the Bill,.but he said that as the Ne" t
Lord (Stanley) had .expreised his determihation 020
to oppose the further prOgre'sS. of the measure,
(Lord Wharneliffe) would not press upon their Lordshira
consideration the amendments which he had intee°lo
to propose in this part of the Bill. Their object WB5 s
throw open the navigation to all nations, but where
foreign power refused to reciprocate, he thought till;
ought to have the power either to withhold the relaxatity,
or to take any other measures which might be CO,
dared necessary to protect their own interests. .
Flaton, the American statesman, held' that every nape,
had the abstract right to regulate their home conetnr'r;
and also that with their colonies. He thought, bete...,
they were justified in relaxing any restrictions exietifst
against foreign ships, they ought to demand a correct)
punding relaxation on the pact of the nation, whi it
mighL avail itself of such relaxation. Ile hePet!„,o
would not be thought he had taken up too much tr'_.
in explanation of the clause he had intended to propoi;
It he had any chance of pressing the amendment weofie
success, without injuring the Bill, he would here "emit
so. As the case stood, however, he should only "emit
the amendment to the consideration of the Ceniwittoeetle
Earl GREY said he was ready to do
e tment,
motives of the Noble Lord In proposing the an" would
but he could not agree with him that its adoption
l carry out
e to
be an improvement. It was quite itnpossib.
would
the principle of reciprocity, the effect of which wou
le
in fact, to punish themselves, by acting on the princiP.,.
justice
of retaliation. He was glad their was no intention L"
press the amendment.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGII said he thought thel
had no middle course to pursue with regard to Caned
~"
They should stipulate for that colony a perfect freeu°-
of intercourse between that colony and the United Seatebe;
just as it Canada was an independent State. This nng
to be aimed at through negotiation with America. to
The Earl of HARROWBY thought they oughto,
leave nothing to be gained be Canada through aurifthe
tion with America—and would impress this view °l
ore
case on the Government, Parliament by this Which
would leave a great discretion to the Government, vi
ought to be exercised with discretion.
Earl GREY said the Government was perfectlY
Bible of the importance of removing the restriepho
which existed in the intercourse between Canada se tries
United States. He also felt satisfied that these res. to
tions were more injurious to the United States thenbo
Canada. That colony was no doubt suffering froeilo
general commercial depression, but he had no doubt "'of
the effect of this Bill would be to open a new career
prosperity for that colony, key I/
Earl ST. GERMANS said that as he had net tee,bcir
great part in the progress of this Bill through .9ioo
Lordship's House, he did not propose on this erecateke
to speak at any length upon the subject. Be would
that opportunity of expressing his firm convictiorerl'oo,
ever, that any attempt at reciprocity must prove 'not
against the innumerable difficulties which would Pfrie did
themselves upon the adoption of that poll* e 0
not attach much importance either to the value 01 050
taliatory policy, but he could easily conceive that °et, it
of great aggravation might arise to call for it, "i,h, le of
might be tee means of removing. A liberal "n this
policy would, no doubt, obviate on all occasions forg°4,
thon
mode of dealing; and that was the point, he
towards which their legislation ought to tend. tied
The amendment was then by leave withdrawn, ~,e
the clause agreed to; as were also the remaining cletr.4,
Their Lordships then resumed, and the Bill WAS v
dered to be reported to-morrow (this day). of
The Earl of CARLISLE moved the seeond reading
the Freemen's Lands Bill, which was agreed to. ,be
Earl GRANVILLE moved the second reading of
Accounts of Turnpike Trusts (Scotland) Bill, whiob
also agreed to.

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The Earl of GLENGALL gave notice of a nmu ig
the subject of the law relating to landed propertl
Ireland.
Their Lordships then adjourned, at Eleven o'cloCll*

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 24.
THE BALLOT.
(Continued from our Fourth E..ition of last night.) fief
Captain BERKELEY, who rose amidst loud c.:01
of " Hear," entered into a defence of the conduct of 'bit
Fitzhardinge. He denied that the charges made 140
relative against the Noble Lord were true. He had "iir
interfered with the troop of Yeoman?y with whieh;jo
Hon. Gentleman was connected, and he had net of
missed the tenant-farmer, named by him, on ace:0,1)0
his political opinions, but on account of a dispute Wk", be
unconnected with political matters ; besides whic"ois
had been convicted of lopping woad. He felt deeps
felt
in addressing the House on these subjects, and IRO
that it was not a fit arena for their discussion--"ke
hear)—but he could not allow the character c de'
Noble Lord to be attacked in his absence withon;ol,lo
fending it.—(Hear, hear.) So far from that of
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Lord being opposed to the ballot, he stated in nee frost
speeches that he had derived the greatest pleasure,/
the speeches of his brothers in favour of the bt"
(Divide, divide.)
cries acrd
Mr. W. J. FOX rose, amidst renewed
nee
" Divide" and " Hear." He said he scarcely elftich
that the House would be disposed to dismiss, in °overt
summary, and, he might add, contemptuous a_,Uliresdl„
a proposition of such importance, and which had 6, Wit"
received the sanctionof Parliament.—(Hear, hear..ligeolti6
respect to the motion, he confessed he felt some
in giving his support to it fur various reasons ; l'refort!'
of which was, that this, a question of organic iviam'
was brought forward separately, whereas, in his °Ps coat'
all such reforms ought to be carried by a judiei°lllot ref
bination of organic changes.—(Hear, hear.) 110 tioe 0
luctance, also, because, with the present distribute
0
the suffrage, the ballot might lead to wholesale, 01$
of retail corruption.—(Opposition cheers.). Thi_en-otes
to be a re arrangement of electoral districts, by
of which the votes would be more equally distribereco&
(Cries of " Hear, hear.") This principle wa'9opOee't
nised even by the Reform Bill, when it was Pited
that the maximum number of voters req— three
send a Member should not be less than felt It
hundred.—(Cheers.) Another reason why blhe 12,1‘,:;
difficulty on the question was a conviction that 'isol
lot by itself would widen the difference already eho
between those who now have the vote and those w" woo'
ht
no vote, who had been called, and he fild
justly, the slave-class, because they were exclude r
all direct participation in political rights.--(He by to
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He felt, therefore, strongly, that the ballot otigiroge.l4
accompanied by a large extension of the sti_joetteeteit
(Hear, hear.) Another reason for his voting r`_, vroP
was the feeling that secrecy was neither a fit nu`cheer7o
mode of discharging this duty.—(Opposition
to, to, as
But the reason why secrecy was had recours
crow
that those who cheered would not allow the exec the
here,°'
the right fairly and impartially, and, t
and `be
were driven to the conclusion that it was, u of
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cumstances, essential to the proper dischtaragyboaibo
duty, that it should be accompanied the
(Counter cheers.) With regard to the 13!"..,55
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Honourable Member sought to introduce, itofr
the °col
opinion not merely required by the state
and so
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admittedrelations
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