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hut of charity also; and if his exertions in fivour of education alone
were considered, he was entitled to have the income he enjoyed trom
the country increased to an adequate amount. If ever this motion were
agreed to, he did not believe a dissentient voice would be raised against
it out of that House; but, still, after what had passed, he hoped his Hon.
Friend would withdraw his motion, and not go to a division.
Mr. WILMA MS said that it wit no doubt true that his Royal
Highness the Duke of Sussex had done much for science, literature,
and charity, as well as for education, but when there was a deficiency of
a million and a half in the revenue it was not a time to increase the bur_
dens of the country by making g'rants of this de:cription.
Lord DUNGANNON said that the political creed of his Royal High-
ness the Duke of Sussex had nothing whatever to do with this proposi-
tion. That Illustrious Duke had always been the liberal patron of the
arts, sciences, and literature of the country, as well as the firm supporter
of all charitable institutions, and on that ground he should give his vote
to the motion of the Hon. Gentlemen, if he pressed this question to a
division.

Sir G. DE LACY EVANS, notwithstanding what had fallen from the
Noble Lord, the Secretary of State for the Home Department and the
Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tarnworth, must support the pro-
pos.tion ofhis Hon. Friend, and say that his motion had been rather
harshly treated.
Alter a few words from Sir M. Wood, Captain Pechell, Lord Wortley,
Sir E. Codrington, and Mr, Howard,
Mr. GILLON, in reply, said that he had taken this delicate question
up from a sense of public duty, and therefore it was impossible for him
to do otherwise than ascertain the feelings of the House on the subject
by a division.
The house then divided.
Fur going into a Committee of Supply 08
For Mr. Gillon's motion
Majority for the original motion —3B
The House then accordingly resolved itself into a
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
The CH_A NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in rising to propose the
first vote, which was that a tom of 70,0001 be granted to defray the
expenses of the late Coronation, was sure that there would be no objec-
tion to this vote. Many appeals were made to them to the effect that
the scale proposed for the Coronation was unworthy of the occasion, and
would not satisfy the expectations of the people. But whilst the Go_
vernment proposed to limit the expense, they at the same time deter-
mined to make the Coronation suited to the dignity and importance of
the occasion. Comparing the late Coronation with the Coronation of
George IV., it would be found that the course taken was that calculated
to secure the greatest share of enjoyment to the public. He was
enabled to state that any increase of expense that had taken place was
not occasioned by any portion of the ceremony peculiarly connected
with the Sovereign, and that the expense in the Lord Chamber_
laic'; department was less than at the Coronation of William IV,
The accommodation in the Abbey was given to upwards of
three thousand persons more than on the former occasion, The proces-
sion incurred a larger expense, but the other expenses, such as opening
the theatres, fireworks, and other similar expenses, were within the
limits of the expenses incurred upon the former occasion. He believed
that a larger sum of money had been expended in connection with the
late Coronation than had been expended on account of the two banquets
that fled taken place on the two former occasions. He had been informed
on good authority that the sums paid by the public to view the proces-
sion amounted to not less a sum than 200,000/. He had, moreover,
every reason to believe that in addition to the numerous population of
the metropolis, upwards of four hundred thousand persons had come
from various parts of the country to witness the ceremonial. Nothing
could be more distinguished by good sense, propriety, and discretion than
the conduct of the immense numbers assembled on that occasion, and
which conduct was the proudest and most gratifying tribute which could
be paid to the Sovereign. The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by
moving:a vote of 70,000/. for the expenses of her Majesty's Coronation.
Mr. HUME would offer no objection to the vote. He could not help
expressing his gratification at the excellent conduct that distinguished
the people on the late gratifying occasion.
The vote was agreed to.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER next proposed a
vote of 74,9861. for the expense of maintaining, repairing, &c., the
Royal Palaces.
Mr. GOULBURN recalled the attention of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer to the fact that the commencement of the financial year had
been changed in 1832 with a view to afford the House an opportunity
of having the estimates placed before them in sufficient time to have
them fully considered. He complained of the delay that had taken
place in bringing forward the estimates of the present year.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would not say that
the complaint of his Right Honourable Friend was altogether without
foundation. The delay had been caused by the exigency of the public
business, and his desire not to interfere to delay the progress of the mea.
sures before the House.
Mr. HA WES wished to call the attention of the Government to the
propriety of affording the public more free access to the Royal Gardens
at Kew than they were afforded at present..
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCEIE?2I.7ER agreed that it would
be an advantage that the fullest facilities should be afliarded to the pub-
lic ; but at present a great deal had been done with this object. The
gardens were now open four days in the week to the public. There was
one additional day appropriated to the adndseion of artists, and on the
other week.day they were closed merely to afford the opportunity of
cleaning them. With respect to this subject he should shortly have
occasion to present two petitions—one from the Linnwan Society and
the other 'from the Horticultural Society—praying that these gardens
might be rendered more conformable to the character of a national
establishment. Considering that this country had the finest colonial
possessions in the world, he thought it be desirable that such a collec-
tion of plants should be placed in those gardens as would promote the
pursuit of botanical science. He thought the subject one deserving Con-
sideration.
Mr. HA WES said that wherever the public had been admitted to
similar places the propriety of their conduct had been such as to give
them the fullest claims to the confiddnce of the Government.
Mr. GOULBURN concurred in what had been said respecting the
good conduct of the public. He thought, however, that admission to
the Royal Palaces and grounds should be given as a favour conferred by
the Royal bounty, and not as a right on the part of the public. The
House should recollect that the Botanical Gardens at Kew originated in
the munificence of George 111., who paid for the preparation out of his
own private private purse. These gardens had the same founda-
tion as many similar institutions in the country—tne Royal munificence.
Mr. HUME said that the gardener at Kesv, who had held his situa-
tion for nearly fifty years, had informed him (Mr. H.) that since the
facilities of the public admission to these gardens had been increased,
not a single plant had been injured. He (Mr. Hume.) complained that
the facilities for admission to the Tower were not greater. The price
of admission, low as it was at present, operated as an exeltlsion to the
poor man. Ile thought the public ought to be free to those places for
the support of which they paid.
After a few words from Mr. GOULBURN,
Mr. CLAY wished to know if the Chancellor of the Euchequer in-
tended to ;impose any vote for the completion of the alterations in
Windsor Castle?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in the present
circumstances of the country it was his anxious wish to make the ex-
penditure as low as possible, but that the completion of the proposed
alterations was only postponed until a more favourable moment.
Colonel SIIITHORP objected to the charge for rent of chambers for
various Commissioners. There were the ldand loom Commission, the
Tithe Commission, the Poor_'aw Commission, and various others, very
expensive and very useless to the country.
The CHANCELLOR cf the EXCHEQUER said that the Gallant
Member was particularly unfortunate in the objection he now put
forward. The Hand-loom Commission was one which the present
Government had most strenuously opposed, as one likely to be tedious
and productive of no important result. The House had, however,
taken the matter from them, and appointed the Commission. The ex-
be urged pcnse, therefore, could not fairly as a matter of complaint
against the Government.
After an oeservation from Mr. GOULBURN,
Mr. WALKER complained that t he charge for admission to the Tower
had been raised from one to two shillings.
Mr. HUME held in his hand a copy of the order of the Master. Ge.
neral of the Ordnance, fixing the charge at one shilling, arid, of course,
any additional charge was a breach of the order. But he wishod to ask
wily a charge was also made for admission to the Jewel Office, the pro.. (wee of winichi
ei.rg„ wee appropriated to the payment of a sinecurist,
who never went near the otlice.
The vote wee then agreed to.
The next item was 10,0001. for works and improvements in Kings-
town harbour.—Agreed to.
4,1444 for defraying the expellees of the Holyhead mail-coach road.
Lord SA NDON wished for some information as to whether the sums
already advanced to the Commissioners of this road had been refunded.
A greet change in the mode of public haveiling was now in progress,
and it was essential to know whether its procceds rendered it worth
while to make further advances •
.1 he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought it highly im
portant that this and the other roads should be kept in repair. He
hoped tee tune would yet come when steam.carriages on those roads
would enter into competition with railroads.—(Bear, hear.) Under
these circumstances, he thought it a matter of great importance that
they should be kept up.
sir J GltAftAM wished to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer a
question as to how the account stood between the Government and the
Commis.tioners of this road, as to the advances already made.
The CHA NCELLOII of the EXCHEQUER had not as yet been able
to look over the account. Ile believed, however, that a great pot tion
of these advances had been repaid, and that the repayment of the rest
was in progress
Mr. PEASE doubted the expedience of advancing any more money
for this toad
Aster a few words from Mr. Hume, the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
and Mr. A. Chapman, the vote was agreed to.
I 8,0964 to defray charges connected with the new buildings now
in progress of erection at the British Museum.
Mr. 1113.11 E objected to any further advance for this purpose until
the report of the Commissioners had been received.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was anxious at the
present time to be as economical of the public money as possible, but he
hoped soon to Imre the alterations in such a state of forwardness, as to
give the public much freer access to the Museum than at present.
The vote was then agreed to.
4,3751. for providing frames for pictures and other expenses con-
nected with the National Gallery.
Colonel SI ItTHORP objected to this vote.
Mr. Li CTT hoped that some arrangement would be made for admit.
tine the public to the exhibition at least one day in the week.
Mr. O'CONNELL differed from his Hon. Friend only in wishing the
time for free admission more extended. He thought two days out of
each week might be given to the public.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that Honourable
Members should recollect that the money received was devoted to the
advancement of the arts,
Mr. O'CONNELL differed from the Right Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. CLAY did not think the public had any title to a free admission
to the Royal Academy,

Mr. HUI'4IE contended that the money received was not devoted to
We advancement of the arts. Out of the sums received for admission,
19.0001. was devoted to the dinners, and 52,0001. remained as an accu.
titillating fund. It was a system of monopoly and exclusion, and the
soot's rit was got rid of, by putting artists all on the same footing, the
better. He would move the postponement of the vote for fourteen days
to give time for further consideration.
Mr. HUTT was satisfied it would greatly add to the interests of a
commercial country like this if facility were given to the public, and eve_
cially to the artisans, of acquiring some taste in the fine arts, and thus
promoting a knowledge of design.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the vote,
notwithstanding the manner in which it was headed, was not for the
'loyal Academy, but, in reality, for the National Gallery. There
would, therefore, be no necessity for postponing the vote.
The Royal
Academy, however, had not been fairly dealt with. Though it had not
sent pupils to,Rome, it had given the benefit of open lectures here which
had been of great value to young artists.
After a few words from Mr. Warburton, Lord Sandon, and Mr. S.
O'Brien,
Sir R. INGLIS said that the Royal Academy was not established at
the national expense, and could not, therefore, be well called upon to
throw open its doors to the public. Rooms were given to the Society by
a royal grant, in Somerset House, and when they were transferred to
the National Gallery they went there on the same authority. The
change was not of their own seeking.
After a few words from Mr. IIROTHERTON, which were not
audible in the gallery. the vote was agreed to.
The sum of 18,394/. was then voted to defray the temporary expenses
of the present Houses of Parliament.
On the proposition that 100,0001. be granted to defray the expenses
incorrect in the year 1838 towards the erection of the new Houses of
Parliament,
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the specifications and contracts