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SLAVE TRADE.

On the Motion of Lord GRENVILLE the second-
Reading of the Bill for the Abolition of the Slave
Trade was appointed for Friday se'nnight, for which
day the Lords were ordered to be summoned.
Lord 1-IA-WKESBDRYadVeited to the two Reso-
lutions adopted by the House last Session—the one
declaring that the Slave Trade ought to be abolished;
and the other, to address his Majeity. to Make such
C.ommtinicationS to Foreign .Powers as his Majesty
should deem' advisable;' with the view of procuring:
the Abolition of the Slave Trade: With rcspeet to
the. second of these Resolutions,. he thought the
House ought to be informed of what had.b6en done
in pursuance of it, or whether any thing had beep
done.., This information he conceived not -Only those.
Noble Lords who were hostil&to the Abolition; .but
also—those. who Were friendly to that measure, would
wish to have. There were five Powers who were
materially interested in the. SlaVe Trade, namely,
Portugal and..the United States of America, Fratve,
Spain, and Holland ; Deumarkand Sweden-had also
someiuterest in the Trade, but it was ofa subordinate
nature. With respect to Spain and Holland,' he could
readily conceive that there had been no-Means ofinalt,
ingany Communication on the subjea to those Powers:
As to France, he did not know whether, during-the
late NegotiatiOn With the Government OrthatCoun try,
there was any communication upon this SubjeCt.made.,.
atid' this was a point upon which be thought the House
ought 'to be informed. So also with respea Jo the
United- States of America, and Portugal, conirnuni-
ethions might:have been made, of which the House
ought to be in possession:previous to the second
reading of the Bill. His Lordship corieruck..4.l..by,
moving an Address to his 'Majesty, praying his Ma-
jesty would be graCiously pleased to order to,be laid
before the - House Copies of all Communications
which had'passed bet Ween his MaicSty and Foreign
Towers respetling the AbolitiOn of the Slave Trade,
in consequence of the 'Address of that House.

Lord ORENVILLE said,, he was not aware of any
material obje6tion to
-the Noble Lord's Metion. With
respeet to France, the faa was, that 'durino-lhe late .
Negotiation with the Government of that Country,
communications on this subjet did take plice, to the
production of which he savw no objeCtion. As to Spain
and Holland, the Noble Lord had justly svpposed that
no communications had taken place. With respea to
Portugal, it was not thought expedient to make any.
communication en the subjeet during-the Negotiation
with France; and the fact was that none hadsince been,
made. With respeCt.tOthe United States of America,
communications had certainly passed during the Ne-
gotiation between the Plenipotentiaries of this coin-
try._and .the United States; and this subje6t actually
formed one of the articles of the Treaty which had:
been signed by those Plenipotentiaries. The Only
difficulty he had in acceding to the Noble Lord's
motion- was, that this article could not be_ produced,
as it was well known that a Treaty signed by Pleni-
potentiaries could not regularly be laid be-fore Parlia-.,
ment until' ratified by the-respeaiVe Governments.
A short conversation ensued between:Lords GREN-
ILLE and HANMESBURY as to the wording of the
Motion. It was at length agreed to insert words
leaving it to his Majesty to order to. be laid before
the House such of the communications as his Ma-
jesty should judge proper. *The Motion, thus,
amended, was agreed to. .
Mr. Hobhouse, Mr. P. Moore,. and several other
Members of the HouSe of Commons, brought up
the Exchequer Bills-Bill; and Bowyer's Lottery Bill;
which were read a first time. . ,
Adjourned till to-morrow (this day).

HOUSE OF COMMO,VS.

:MONDAY, JAN. 12.

The Tweed Fishery Bill was read a second tithe
and committed, to a Select Committee. . •

Mr. hIniINING brought in a' Bill to agrienci 'the
three Aas. relative 'to the London Dock's.—Read a
first time, and ordered to be read a second time to-
triorrow.

Several Members were introduced and sworn,
among whom we noticed„Mr.Jarnes Martin, Sir W.
W. Wynne, and the Hon. Mr. Matthew.

A new Writ was ordered,for the Borough of St.
11/lawes, in room of Sir John Newport, who has
been also returned for Waterford, for which place
the Right Hon. Baronet has made his eleation.—A
Writ Was also Ordered for the Borough of Lest-
withiel, in room of Wm. Dickenson, Esq. who has
been also returned for Sotnersetshire, for which place
the Hon. Member has. made his eleaion.

COLONEL CAWTHORNE.
:Colonel PORTER rose to iitit,*ednes,
day. se'nnight the Motion- of which he bad given
notice for Wednesday next (on the Colo-
nel Court-Martial). This postpone-
ment 'the Hon. Officer stated to be necessary,' as
many Memberi could not, in consequence of the
Quarter Sessions, conveniently attend the discussion
of this question sooner.
Colonel CAWTHORIVE complained of the addi-
tiCpal suspence to which he.must be subjeeled by
the proposed delay; and expressed, hii wish' that
Ibis case should be 'decided one way or the other, as
tcron as possible. ,

Colonel PORTER said, that his only obje& in, pro-
posing the delay was, in order. to insure 0411 at,
tendance, which 'he deemed highly desirable upon
this occasion, and which could not be looked for if

the discussions were to occur while the Quarter
sions were,pendipg. •
- CoIone4CATKTHORNZ declared that he was `as
anxious,. s any •Litan that the discussion 'of the.ease
alluded to should have as full an attendance as possi-
ble ; fox without any reference to himself, he thotight'
it' involved a question of 'very great moment. 'Put-
ting entirely out of view the cOnsideiation ofholiling
any Member of that House, or any person what-
ever; 'whose character was- implicated; one moment
more than was indispensi.bly necessary in.a state of
suspense, he submitted to-the candour anditidgment
.of the House whether there was pot something in
the course of this proceeding which justified. corn,
plaint. The Hon. Gentleman gave. Pbtice of this •
proceeding, in. the first instance, in a way certaiUly
very unusual, at a time when the Members were very
little 'likely ,to, have any knowledge of it, namely,
after the debate had closed- on Tuesday morning, and
after .altnost , all the Members hackreiired, Not a
word of it appeared in the Morning Papers, -in -Which
accounts of the. proceedings of that House generally
appeared and if it were not, for some Gentlemen.
who happened to 'perceive the insertion of this, notice
in'the book,upon the table, the thing would 'have
been very little known indeed., • . • . •
• Col. PORTER repeated the grounds which induced
him to postpone his Motion ;‘ athiing, that. he .would
certainly bring forward, the Motion upon Wednes-
day sennight: •• ' • - • -
LOKD WELLESLEY. - ..•. •
•

•
Lord FOLKESTONE gave notice Of his intention to
move`on this day fortnight, for the reprinting of
certain Papers which had been. printed last Session,
relathe to one of the Articles of charge exhiui•ted
against Marquis Wellesley. . •
After a conversation between Lord CASTLEREAGH
and Mr. WINDHAM, , •

Lord HOWICK expressed-a wish. to know from
the Noble. Lord (Folkstonej with what view he pro-
posed to bring forward the.i.Motion of which he had
given notice, and what was the nature of the mea-
sure he meant, to found upon the Papers to which
his notice referred ?.

. Lord FOLKSTO NE replied, that •his Motion
would- refer- to the reprititingof the several Papers
tanne4ted with the 'Ohde Charge, namely, .ntimbers
3,4, and 5.- - With•respea
.to any subsequent pro-
ceedihg, he believed that none 'waS likely- to be taken
for some.time.,..The Hoese was aware that the Hon.
Gentleman with whom. this business had originated
was now a Petitioner, and until that. Petition was
decided; it was not intended to ground any measure
upon-- the Papers to which his notice related. But
re.t, to prevent any delay hereafter,. it -was thouht
.expedient that those, documents should be fully bi-
forethe House, in order, that if the Hoourable Gen-
tleman ',already alluded to should be, in` a situation to
prosecute this important inquiry, he might be en-
'abled to proceed at once, unimpeded by -the pro-
crastination which the printing of 'papers' upon this
stibjeEk had so often produeed in the course of the
list-Parliament; and-in order also, that if Mr. Paull
should hot be in a.sitnatien to follow up this busi-
ness,. he himself (Lord Folkstone), or some more.
- capable :person,
.might be_ furnished with the means
-,-of proceeding upon it. The Noble Lord conCluded
with expressing .a belief that he bad fully.replied to
the 'inquiry of the Noble Secretary of Stele,. and
expressed a readiness tohfford any further infor-
mation in his power upon the satnesubjed.
Lord HOIPJCK apprehended that the reasons stat-
ed by the Noble Lord could-hot be considered a suffi-.
cient Parliamentary,- ground- for the.•proposition he
professed to have in view. . it _indeed•did appear to
him quite without precedent to make a Motion for
the prodUCtion and piipting, of'certaih Papers upon
which the Mover did not state that anyidirea pro-
ceeding was to, be instituted, but -merely upon.the
chance that another nian;not a Mernherpf that House,
might ground some proceeding upon them: This,
however, he felt was,hot the proffr time to' argue'
the questidn ; but`he could not help observing, that
course proposed must be attended with extreme
hardship to the party concerned in the case to which
:this notice referred; for that House was to be
, called on to promote- the Circulation of the most, se-
vere attacks upon the.c.hara&er- of the Noble Person.
alluded to. , The; eifeas of such-publications' were
easily to be estimated,' and he would submit whether
they Could in fairness be acceded to, 'without any
.precise statement that . a Parliamentary measare.
would be founded upon them or' without any defi-
7nition of the nature of such' measure.' The Noble
• Mover &d not say that any farther Pkirliaentary
proceeding would be taken upon those Papers;
merely that it might; and, really, he could net think
that a sufficient ground fdr the•NoWe Lord's-intend-
,
ed Motion. . ' . - •

Lord FOLKSTONE was aware that this was not
the proper.thne for any argument upon this subjecl,
but he would, with the leave of the House, Make
further reply•to the Noble Secretary of State. The
obieet'Of the Motion of which he' had given notice
could not be 'fairly stippOsed to involve, any harShness
towards Lord Wellesley, as the Noble Secretary
,of
State stated, any farther than as it professed to assist
and facilitate the inquiry respecting that Noble. Lord's
condual. But the Noble Secretary of State,seeniedto
imagine; that there was soille probability the inquiry.
might be relinquished, and that therefore the docu—
ments his motion would relate to might not be ne-
cessary. Of this, however, he could assure the Noble
Secretary, that the inquiry would certainly be.per-'
sisted in ; for if no other person should offer, he'
'pledged himself, if a Member of Parliament, to follow,
it up. The Papers he had described were; the Nople
Lord 'observed, laid. before the House last' Sesston,
and therefore there could be no just objection to their
being re-printed, pariicularly. as the inquiry-Would
be.proceeded Indeed, if the Honourable Gentle-
„man who originally brought it forward should. not
be.enabled, from his presence in that House, to pro—
secute it,. he would, rather thatilet it'drop, take it up
himself: Those Papers would not, therefore, be suf-
fered to lay dormant on the table. It was for no'
such purpcise that he intended, to move for them.—
They were, indeed, already in the hands-of the greater.
part of the; Atlembent, and in' general' circulation
but in order to saiisfv the forms of the HOUse, it
whs necessary to have them again laid on ,thetable,
and re-printed, before ar4- Parliathentary proceeding.
could befounded upon tltetn.—Wli'ne`Aer his motion
for this purpbsc'should be agrees ,to-or not, he Could
not guess,. He cslit.d not in,eed, anticipate the oppo-
sition manifested by the Noble Secretary. But Whe-
ther that opposition should be persisted in or not,
whatever the fate of his opinion might be, that mo_

tiOn would certainly he made, and.. the inquiry to
ithich. it related as certainly prosecuted.
-k*ord FOLK STQIVE stated that an Hcin. Friend
Of his Mr..Hussef, who was in an bdvaneed stage
of life,
."wiShed, to avoid the consequences of a call of
the Hopw; which he thought not improbable in the
.present state of the country, and therefore requested
him, to 'move that he shot :Id be granted leave of ab-
setiee for two months. The Motion being presented
to the Chair,
The SPEAKER observed, that there was no pre--
.cedeht for a Motion of this nature upon such'u
ground as that stated. The usual custom was to
,granOertlporary leave of absence for a temporary
.purpose. - „ •
- Lord TEMPLE suggested to his Noble Friend,
that' his obje& would be answered by acceding .to
the conrse implied in the obserVations of the Speaker,
and leaving out those words in the Motion which
were objected' to.
After some farther conversation between the
Speaker and Lord Folkstone, the Motion for leave
of absence to Mr. Hussey was agreed to. • • .
OAK I3ARK.
Lord Fo_KsToxi presented. a Petiticin from the
Tanners of London against the second reading of
the Oak Bark Bill. • •
'Upon the motion being made. for its lying on the
table,
Lord TEMPLE stated; that he had, upon tha
subject of this Petition, taken occasion to commit-.
nicate, as his duty presented to him, with the. tan-
ners.of London, among whotiA be found some ilarin
prevailed, relative to the Bill before the House. Bitt
the-result of this communication served fully to con-
vince his mind .that that alarm was not well founded.,
Such indeed was his opinion:even before the couter7
_ .

ence took place. But.still he felt it not only his duty.,
but.his inclination, to consult any class of men in-
terested in.a :question of this nature—to consider their
opinions, to examine their objeftions,-an'd eVeri.fo pay
attention to their 'prejudices. He 'would, therefore,
propose to allow full time.for itlqi*ing farther upon
this subjed, in brder that the grounds upon which
the PetitiOners rested their obje6tions to theßill before
the-House might.,be...amply investigated. For that
purpose he would-move, that the-second reading of
the 'Bill should be. postponed till: this day.fortnight.
In-the *I-mei-i:n the case might be diligently examined;
and, as the Oak. Bark Trade was suspended, at least
until May, no: injurycould result from. the proposed
delay .to those concerned. for., the carrying of, the
Bill.. . .
:The Petition was ordered to lie on' heTable;-and
Lord Temple's- motion for the second 'reading of the
Bill on this-day fortnight was agreed to:
• The toi Million Exchequer Bills Bill was read a
third time and passed.
• IRISH ELECTIONS. .
Sir JOHN IVEIVPORT rose, pursuant to no-
tice; tb move for leave to bring in a Bill for amend-
ing the Aet of the 42d of his present Majesty, for
regulating the Trial. of Contested Ele6lionS in Ire-.
'land. The Right Hon. Baronet observed, that there
were several provisions lin this
.A6l which_ he pro-
posed to alter, and which were of such a nature as
the House: 'must feel- admitted 'of no 'delay that

could be consistently avoided in passing the Bill he
felt it his duty to bring forward. There were some
points• in the Ad ,he proposed to amend, which he
thought it right to mention to the House as proofs
of the necessity that existed for such Amendment.
In the Ad referred, to, there was a provision for
swearing the Commissioners appointed in Ireland
to•examine Evidence, &c. upon the subject of Elec-
tion Petitions ; but, stratigeas it might seem, there
was no' provision for swearing the'Clerks who ailed
under Such Commission. This omission, which he
meant to supply, was the more eXtraordinary, as the
whole of the proceedingSdepended on the accuracy_

of these Clerks, upon ,-tihose written itaternent of

the evidence taken before them, the Committees of

that House were-to ground, their deeisions there-

quence by his opponent. This provision, he be,
would serve to dim'nish, if not to remove,
an evil-tco often pra&ised, and which the Or t of
litigation only could prompt tnei to iuHiEt, upon
their adversaries.
Leave was given to bring in the Bill.
Upon the Motion of General IVALPoLiz,. who
stated, that, in consequence of some informality in
the proceodings, the application he had to make to'
the indulgence of the House ,was become neces-
sary, it was agreed that the Petitioners against the
return for Londonderry should have the time for
entering their recognizances to prosecute the said Pe•
lition. enlarged till Friday next. ;
THE ARMY.
Lord Cif 87:LERE4GH rose, agreeably to.notlce,
and expressed his happiness.to find that the produc-
tion of the Papers for which he was about to 'move
would experience no opposition. He was happy, be-.
cause it must be more satisfilEtory to his own mind,
and to the mind of the House alio, rather to post-
pone any argument upon the subjeol to which these
Papers referred, until they should be laid upon tho
table, than to be obliged,to enter into sUch .arga-
rnent without any such documents. But that ob-
ligation did not now 'exist-7k being agreed to grant
these documents he was discharged from the neces-
sity of arguing the question at present. He had,
therefore,.only to state the points upon which he
thought it his duty to require information with re-
gard to the amount of our efficient force. The in-
formation respeaking the regular army, militia, and
artillery, he should only demand from the 'date of the
last returns laid before the House, namely the 1 sr, of
March, 11306, and from that period to the Ist of Jan..
1807, he should call for the- return of effeetive
force:- TI•: next point would 'relate 'to the sources

fore such ,Clerks might have it in their power, by

rather to be colletled by the personal experience of
such Gentlemen as had opportunities of observation,
than to be looked for from auy 'slips of paper or
official report. The next point upon which the
Noble Lord • said he felt solicitous to be informed.
was, with regard to the general training of the peo-
ple.. On -a former evening he took occasion to 'ap-
ply for some information upon this subject to the •
Right Honourable the Secretary at War but he
must fairly confess, that he derived no satisfatirorr
whatever from the sort of general reply -‘Vhich -the
House had heard from that Right Hon. Gentleinan.
For that reply seemed to amount to this only, that- •

nothing, haa -yet been done in execution of the.

gaining Bill, and that the Right-Hon. secretary's-

mind was unsettled as to whether any thing at all

would be done.

the suppression or substitution of a single. word, to

The Noble Lord described the.,

mo-tion which .he meant to make upon this point,

defeat the whole
proceedings upon an EleZ:hon Pe-
tition. Another point he proposed to amend in the
Aa was this :--According to that .A4l no man eouid
,he a Member of a Commission to inquire into the
merits of anv eleaion at which had 'toted. But
ihii, prohibition he proposed: to extend to those also
who I,vere
.erititled to vote 'at such elegy` ion ; and that
be thought necessary to answer the objeEt of the
former provision ; for, as the law stood, a man•en.
titled to vote had only to decline voting, in ordw to
qualify himself to become a.Cornmissioner, as was
often the rase in con Sequence of compromise. with
some of the Candidates. Thus the' spirit of the law
was evaded. But this_evasion was not confined' to
the Commissioners ;• it extended also.to the Clerks,
and therefore to them also he should extend the
:proposed
prohibition. There was another new pro,
vision which he thougbt it necessary. to introduce
into the- Bill he; should have the honour of sub-

and'proCeeded, to state the course he proposed ta
'pursue when the several Papers for which he was
about to move should be laid before the House. If
those Papers afforded no proof of the superior, dB-A*
cacy bt the Right Hon. Secretary's military plan, ne-
could not of course expel that those who felt for
the Country's- safety and military charaaer would
permit a plan' to go on.undisturbed which changed
the foundation upon which our military system had
so long and so securely rested ; that they would
suffer. that change to continue, which, upon the
Right Hon. Gentleman's proposition, %vas introduced
last Session in-to-the Mutiny Aet. • If it should ap.
:pear that the new root which thq Right Hon. GeDl
tleman .had -then planted, instcad of producing an
_immediateincrease, or procuring a permanent sup
ply to the army, was likely to prodUce ..I,6con-
tent.and ultimate weakness, surely Parliament would
not hesitate to have that root torn up. Vhat the:

Imitting to the ttoilsi—the.objea of which would
13P '1.5 reno;ejdonliti existing as
.to the power of a
CoMrnittee'vf that Hodse to call for the produc-
tion e*any.books or .other . documents which might
have been laid- befOrp the Commission in- Irerand..•
• AnOther ...Athendment.- he had 'to propose would re-
late to the whence of Clerks'. At present they were
..allowed at the rate .0( sixpence every seventy-tw-O
*ads, which gave them an interest in protraaing.
the inquiry ;.andit had happened that such protrac
' tion had extended so far; that although the receipt
of the CoMmissioners, who were Barristers, did not
exceed .t>.001," yet that of the
,Clerks amounted
no less than 8001.. But it was his intention to re-
dnce the allowance to the Clerks ftom sixpence to
threepence. for every' seventy-two Word's, which
would of course reduce their interest in the protrac-
tion-of the proceedings. The last point.of the pro-
posed change' the Right Hon. Baronet stated to be
the natural result of a ease which had occurred in
Ireland,- where between •three and four hundred
votes,.•forming almost the Whole of thine who had
polled at the Ele&ion, had been objeeled to, 'and of
course taken to attend the Commission at a consi-
derable expence to the ,party interested, although
Distk more than 50 or Go of those votes had ever been
inquired into at all. The remedy he should propose
for this evil would be—that when a party ebpas to
any voters, the specific grounds. of the oittjeaion
shall be stated ; and unless such obje&ion be'sustain
ed by evidence, it shall be declared frivolous and
vexatious by the Commission, and the party ad-
vancing such frivolous and vexatious ohjeelion

Papers to which his Motion referred Might shew-ho'
would -not say, but; unless he were at present very
ill advised by those who-were well competent to
judge upon military questions, the change alluded 61..4
in the Mutiny A& would be found to !hoe had .a
mischievous operation, and to threaten more mis-
chief if it were not removed: and than system re-
stored to which our army was indebted for its.
prosperity, its strength, and long-established charac-
ter. The Noble Lord-concluded with moving tor
a monthly return of the effeetive amountoi our id..
gular force front the ist of March, 1806, to the Ist-
of January, 1801, distinguishing the amount of the,
several corps, viz: infantry, toot guards, cavalry, gar-
rison and veteran battalions, provincial and local
corps, black corps, foreign Corps, including the Ger-
man Legioll,'' men at the depot; 4S:C. and also dis.
tinguiSliing: the number of i)ur force at home, and
abroad, with a .monthly return of• the English and
Irish militia.
Mr. IVIATII;1211 had no objection to grant to,
the House every information- that- could be desired
upon this subject ; but, he had very serious objec7.
Cons to lot:.. such informatiougo;.. abroad as might
reach the enemy, and it was notorious that any thing'
publicly laid on the' table of that House was ex.,'
posed. to the danger,of such 'communication. Upoet
these grounds of the propriety of acceding to some
parts of the Noble Lord's -iVibtietr, he thwit o;,jetti
tbr it would go to expose the distribnt* of our milt-
; racy foece, which \vas precisely the thill•with which
they might iot.to be made 'acqu'ainted. in the No..
ble Lord's Motion too this AccOunt was to be

()bilged to pay the expQnce incurred in conse• trlonthly,:wilich rendered it • more Cbjectionable.--•

from which that force was kept up, in Order to en-
able the House to judge whether certain induce=
meats, which were. last Session so much relied on as
the means of ziugmenting our army by encouraging
recruits, have had the effeets so contidergly promis-
ed. Also, whether such means are to be depended,
upnir as a certain and efficient resource for the sup-
ply of our army? Whether the resource now trast,d..
to-be adequate to maintain that rank and charaCter
in our army, which ought to be lookedfor, according
to the obvious military policy of the. Country ?
those important. considerationS it was his particu-
lar desire to, turn the attention of the House, and
having obtained a return of the general state of
the army, he should take leave to remark on any
fair subjecl of animadversion that state might pre-
sent,, and to state' the means that appeared to hin3
best 'calculated to maintain - our military strength.
With a review of our regular: force be would natu.-
rally conneet the means 'adopted to secure our in"-
ternal defence, and of course look tier an account of
the Volunteers. Upon the subject of this descrip-
tion of force, there was much information which
he fe't desirable to be laid before:.the. House, but
which, perhaps, was not quite attainable, namely;
the state of the general organization, spirit, and dis-
ciplinkat present preVailing among that bOdy, and
how far they ;have been aife6ted by the new ar-
rangements introduced among them .by the AsAoflast
Sessions. This, however, was a kind of information_ •

He was aware that he had been himself in the ha•
bit of moving for' information upon this subject,.but
never for any Precisely atialog6ris to that of the No:-
ble Lord thr his Metions eeferrectpnly. to the-. Mil-
itary Returns of six and twelve months. It iniglit
be said,4hat it would be ungracious in him to refuse
such 'i eformatiene who had been so often forwked, to
detuand infetmatioriof a Similar nature-,.and thaelie
might receive, censure; but that should not with-
draw hitufrem his duty ;; for between the sacrifice
of himself and the sacrifice of his duty he should
never, he' trusted, feel any hesitation 'Choosing
what course to- take. -He could not atall-like the
practice of exposing. the distribution of our military
force ; as to the strength, he had noaPprehensioh
about that-. It:did'not follow, that hecauie e•wrong
practice had been obtained- it ought to be persisted in.
The question to be considered upon• -a Moue-la-of
this kind was, the nature of the information it re=
• quired; :and whether it was -so useful the House
as•to induce it to risk the danger. of its reaching the
enemy,. The whole case respecting a-military 'sub-;
ject which the Noble Lord expressed dais desitelo
dismiss might hebrought before the House wcfitoiit
producing the information be deprecated, withotit
going the length:of•letting the enemy 'know . the'
amount of our tnrce'in the West IndieS,-I‘lova Scotia,
or in any other of our foreign Possessions, which a
Return to the Noble Lord's Motion teSpectihg local
corps, and particularly the black corps, world serve
to communicate. Theamonnt or the increase of our
public force, which the Noble, Lord `desired to ascer-
tain, might be communicated to the House, but it
was not necessary to state thephrposes to 'which any
part of that force was applied. .
Lord adiSTLEttE>IGH admitted the justice of
ttlle Right Hon. Secretary's principle, that no infor-
:nation ought to be called for, from that House upon
thilitary subjects which it wouldlae
.dangerous to
grant ; but he would go tattlier than thatßight Hun:
bedretatv, in 'stating, that too much. information had
been laid before the House, upoh the' state of our
military force,- for the last three or four years. The,
Right Hon. Gentleman had, however,-his full share'
in that plactiCee Which 'he' now professed to thiuk
• itwrong in ether's to-follow. The information which
lie now requiied; the Noble Lord contended, was
not fairly liable to If* objections oared
iby the Rig-14
Pion. Secretary, He required no more than the in-
formatiola necessary to enable thellouse to foretra
right judgment upon the cpiestions he meant to
bring forward: He did not call for the amount of
bur force in 'any particular Settleinent—for it must-
.
. be obvious, that sueh a call Would be obnoxious to
the conselit of any thinking ruin. Bet while he
acknowledged the impropriety or Mischief of letting
the enemy :know the•distribUtion of our force, let' it
he renaenibered that Alert were publications in this
otaiitry; which 'were sanctioned too,in 'which the
distribution of our force,, naval and military, was
Minetelye detailed. Still he did not wish• that such''
intelligence should go forth from that -House. There'''
Was, the Noble Lord repeated-, but one line as tothe
distribution of our foece, and .that was, merely ea
to the number at home and abroad.
~Withoet this-
-there was a material part of the subject•he had in
contemplation which could not be adequately, con-
sidered. It was necessary for. the House te.knowe •
What force the-Giuntry had to rely upon for internal •
defenCe,. for without that it would. not :he -able to
judge as to the .necessity or importance of our Vo-
lunteer Force, or as to the propriety ofePutting_the
'raining Bill' into execution, and those two latter
gliestions formed important branches of thequeStion
he meant to bring fie-Ward. The species of, infor-,
Ination., therefore, for which he called, was .precise-
• ly that which 'was necessary, while at the same"
time not at all dangeroui. But to remove every ,ob-
jeaion the Right Hon. Secretary professed to :his-
Motion, he would-agree to include black and-lcieale
corps in one line, and so to avoid' the 'distinaion;:.
complaitted of,
~. • . •
• After some further remarks- from Mr. WI&D-
ittim and Lord CASTLEREAGH, the Motion, with The
'alteration proposed by 'the Noble Lord, was agreed
to--as was-a Motion for a Monthly Return of the
Effective Strength of the Artillery, from the Ist of
July, 1806; and on the Ist of JanuarYa 1807, both .
snclusi~ e, .diStingUiShing the Force at Home from
that Abroader--Also a Motion for a .Return of the
Number -of Men recruited for , the Regular Army,
freni the ilk' of January, 1806, to the fst of Ja-
tuary, 1807; distjnguishing the Foreign and the
Local CorPs.=-Also distinguishing the Number, raised
by ordinary itecruiting,,' by the'Additional Force
• Rill, •and by the--volunteering from the Militia.aa-
-Also a Motion for an' Abstract of the Returns of the
,several VoluiitecrorPsen the Ist of July; 1806,arld
also on the ist of January; 1807.—Also aMotion
for an Abstraii of such aftistriketions as have,..beeti
. seht to the Lord Lieutenants of the several Coun—
ties, 'and of such other- Proceedings as have been
. taken for the purpose of carrying into execution the.
,k 6 for Traihing the People to arms.'
Mr. WINDHAM, upon,the• last Motion being
Plat, took occasion to observe, that the A& to which
it referred was not of such a nature as to be properly
accelerated in its motion by any r'effort Govern-;
meat. Its execution must necessarily be preceded
by a variety of civil detail—the taking, of lists of
such persons as were liable to be, called out under
this ACt---the comparison of 'those lists with' the
lists for the Militia, and 'elso that of the YOltinteers,
ke- Now those civil details, which haa.been ne-
. tessarily produCtive of so much delay, were com-
Pletely gone through, and .the returns were before
the Privy Council, who were about immediately to
Proceed upon thein—jHere Lord Henry Petty
Whispered the - Right Hon. Gentlernani—and he
went on to say; that it was suggested to:him by his
Noble Friehd, that the Privy Council had actually
begun to make' arrangements, fOr the purpose :of
baying the Training Ad put into execution in such
distriets of the kingdom as it might seem. advisable
*t present to selea-.
Upon the Motion 'being put relative to the Vo-
lunteers,
Mr. C. "WyNzaa wished the Noble Lord to re-.
collect, that no Volunteer Return was made in
January, and therefore his Motion could not be
strictly complied with.
Lord CASTLEREAGH was aware of that, and there-
fore he only called for an abstraCt. He wished not
to give the Officers any trouble. A single Line at, ,
each of, the periods specified in his Motion, de-
scribing the amount of the Volunteer Corps, would.
'nswer the purpose of comparison which he had id.
• .. .

Mr: WIKDH 4 observed -gefterally, that the
Noble Lord's MOtiOns should .be complied With 7,as
fartas the Returns would permit. But every:
lark Alin, acquainted with the -nature of regimental
keturnsi.must.he aware that -these Motions could
'not beliterally complied with. - .

--, Lord CASTLLREAGH said -he
.would be satisfied
u:ith -the Returns •up to the latsst.periods.at which
they could be made out: in the Offices. --
:The Malt Duty Bill was read a second tune, and
committed for to-morrow.—Adjourned. .

- MAI•LS.
ARR rirsTi=3 Husum, i Dublin, 2 Waterford.
DUE-2 Dublin, 2 Waterford.

•-• 'I PRICE ().1; bTOCKS
t • , THIS DAY AT TWlLVE,o'ctocx.
Consols - • -

L 0 IV_;.D 0 N,

JANUARY ,13) 1807.

.Tnts 'morning the Mails from Husuni arrived,
but they do not contain any intelligence of kn.=
pertance. Private• Letters from Altona, dated the
•2d instant, state,- that no less than one-fifth-of the
French are ideaed With a contagious disease. This
account is probably very much • exaggerated; but
there can be no doubt that the French Army has
suffered very severely by disease. The Decree for
confiscating the whole of the British' property-at
Hamburgh has beeti (Yarded:info execution in the
most rigid Manner ; but the 'British--SUbje6ls resi-
dent in that City are-new suffered to go about with-
, out a guard:' Jris stated t BONAPARTE has pe-.•
reriiptorili called upon .the Cabinet of Vienna to
tal=e' a decisive, part :either for or against France in
the present contest ; but it seems. very iMprobable
that'BoN4srAßTE Would, situated as he is.at present,,
wautpnly force Austria into a War with him.
Count HAU.GWITZ -has certainly retired from the
"Piniiian Ministry.
'Yesterday a great number of Letters werereceired
from Holland; they were brought .by, a Vessel'
which arrived in the River from Rotterdam. Some
of them contain report's of a decisive battle having
been fonght between the Russians and French, in
I.vhicir the latter 'were defeated; but these Letters
are of a very old date, and we 'are sorry to say that
"there is rics fOtindation for the report. • • • .

The Dutch Government have been compelled to
carry the Decree for preventing all coMmercial inter-
course between :this Country and Holland into exe-
cution with the utmost rigour ; and to prevent all
possibility of collusion, the Dutch Custom-House
OffiCers have been removed, and they have been re-
placed by il'renchrnen.

.
Ease~ Ark a Direßipn.—lt is with concern we •
an-
nounce the. decease of Sir STEPHEN LUSHINGTQN,
Bart. for many years one of the most distinguished
Members of,thq 'East 4.liaDireetion : .he had been
a.niartyr to 'thegout, .40 was for:a long period to-
tally
,unable to walk. Sir STEPHEN having been
Out.Of the DireCtion by rotation, will no doubt oc
-casion a spirited contest in April..

. .
4L...The.ifollowing..distressing account of the 'Colony.
at-New South Wales is extraEted. from .a letter re-
ceiVed from.au Officer, dated Sullivan's Cove, ,New
Colony, Aug.:4, 180 ;--.•`: The, Ocean brings you
this.—Our 'Situation is very bad, under many ,suffer-
ings ; we have had no rations served lately, nor none
to serve, We have not a' drop of spirits in tbe'Cd-
lony ; and are very destitute of meat, lifend,'eloth-
ing, farming; and building ,tuensils,--in fad of every
thing, even.,to a sheet of paper. The Lieutenant-
Governor.of -this Colony is reduced to an allowance
of two pounds of rotten pork'and one pound. of 'flour
per week : even at this rate we have not-a sufficient
supply for one month.",-,--The Captain of the Ocean
_says, that he saw a merchantman going up the river
when he was coming down; and he lives' she had
supplies for the Colony. . .
Oar Plymouth Correspondent mentions a rumour
which we shall be happy to find confirmed, but
Which we fear is unfounded. He states, that the
Ferveizi, which is arrived from the Straits, has
brought an account of the annihilation of the French
farce in Dalmatia. •

The price of Bread- continues as last week.

Kosclusico,, after all his forrneustrudgles for the
'liberty of his country,. now appears in the. odious
light of an adVoCate for• a Usurper, on whom he
-fieems anxious to bring his countrymen into a
.slavish dependence. , Thi's "oondiiet is InOre- parti-
cularly .criminal, after he had witnessed the fate Of.
the Poles who were sea by, BONAPARTE to certain
destrtietion ,at St. Domingo: But Kosclusico
suited- his legitimate Sm'rereizn, the yirtuous.and-un-
fortunate STAN'ISLAUS, and therefore such conduct is
suitable to his charaeter.

We have been informed that Johnson, the de-
serter, who is suspeEted of the nvirder of .the porter
belonging to the Linen Banking. Company, and for
whose apprehension a great, reward- is offered, has.
written to the Managers Of the Bank, informing them
that if they will use their influence to get hinil free
from the consequences of hi desertiOn, he will de-
liver himself up,
.and clear himself of the charge of
murder.

Monday se'nnight, 'the coachman who drives the
Telegraph coach from Nantwich to Eceleshall was
found on the road, about three miles from the Jat er
place, quite dead. It is supposed he had fallen off
the box in a fit, as the passengers never missed him •
until their arrival at the horse-keeper's, at Eceleshall,-
instead of the inn.

A curious wedding took place at Holyhead on
New-year's Day, where the bride was first churched,
then married, and thirdly, had. her child chrsitened !
110 bride is butsikteen years of age..