The Sun.
London, England, 1809-06-09 00:00:00

A Right Hon. Gentleman on a for Mer occasion; ps-
stoned the' priMiee to ltirose:f, and left the theory
to hirn. He Should sly,- that from the time of the
revolution to the present day, gradually praClic3l C. 47
forts Wad been made by the exclusion of personshol,
ding places or pensions, towaids curtailing the in-
fluence of the'CroWn, therefore, what he now pro-
posed was only an extensicin 'of that praaice. • The
theory contained' in the Aa of Settleent.he
should Consider .ait mischievous go far. as it went
to exciude from seals 'in' Parliament the necei-

.ry otlieeriofiroardi Of government; but he Must
declare, 'that there were admitted more than in his
opinion were neeeAsary. All, the. Lords of the
mitaity he did not think necessary, two of theM nnd
the Sedetary' were. ag many as 'would be sdtlici fit
fur the purpose of improving their knOwledge in-that
department by an •Inter6.:nrse with Parliameut.
The Cleik of the. Ortinv,t)ce it would' lie expedient
to have in the Ilotts6, .but it wag hot proper that
tht Stori,keeper; the Treasurer; or the Clerk pf the
Dr{itTe pie huuld have scats thrtein. Unvonneded
ay the-Board of Controial. waq with general ' Parlia;
mentary deiail, he did not think n'necessary to have
more than the Pr6idetit a Member of that HouSe,
if a Commoner. la all the great.otEcial depart,
meaty, the heady alone Were suttiCient ' to hold seats
'in Patlia'ment. After denying the utility of' the or--
Of big Majesty's hoitsehold having,seats.in Par •
liament,, and asserting that they, could' "only' be in.
trodoced 19 stipport the Crown prerogative, the Hun,
Gentleman adverted to the Statute of Queen Anne
and Gentge I. upon the subject of `tents held by
those who enjoyed pensiOns either for life or a term
of years. He diklaimed any connection of his pre-,
sera measure 'with Parliamentary Reform, and only
wished
,to unite the' parties who were Tavourableand.
adVere to' that measure. The Hon. Gentleman
concluded, by moving a resolution to this el-,
Let.

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" That the Hour in. the course of the next Session, will
take into its.consideration the necessity of limiting the 'turn.
beret' those.persons who hold Seats in Parliament, together;
with ctriOuniont3 and places under the Crown.," '
IVI.
ItosP.' matie some observations, similar to.
those' which he offered on a former, occasion, stst-
ing the number of:per*ritni. who,. in Consequence cif
such laws as were adverted to, had been
, The influence of , his Majesty's Museheld
contd riot be so
,great in t hat House as was asserted,
for though, io rte t, when Mr. Buirke broUght
ward a measure to the same effeel, many Grooms of
the Bed-chamber were allowed to retain- their seats,
yet, at present, there was but one holding a seat in,
Rarliament.
The CHANCRI.I.OII of the EXCITFAUEIi said, that:
though the LiOnse was not at present called to conic.
to a distina opinion on the,subleo proposcel, yet if,
under the views. of the tron., Gentleman hiS,resolu.'
;ion should be adopted to the extent .of censiderindg,;t
this matter in the next Session, the Howe woul
-altogether allow the e%pedieney diminifihieg ale!
itumber of those persons holding. seats tinder the.
forementionecl circumstances, 'I be lien. Gentle-.
man had.s,rid the matter would be ecpialiy open to.
his (Mr. Perceval's) objections in the next Session,,
and therefore he did.not, expeo any opposition in the
present instance ; but he would say that the question
would nor be then unprejudiced if this resolution
weie,accetled to pow. it were not right to come
to An opinion on
.the su,?.jeEi now,„ it would arot
be nects4;ary al another, period: n t 1
I.le lion. Geo-
tlenian said " we hived in timei when the id 'a 01..
influence from avowed corruptive Lid gone
•,artd therefore, we %beuld set, about exeletime
At any peried when reteen was called for, reference,
was iveriably made to existing.praetieal telletece
.that I.Jouse.: The result of Alrepunnines.rese-
lution on a 'tOrrner occasion, though it proposed ex.,
elusion upon similar grounds, diewed,that there was
a cognieanee of suell, things. existing, and with the'
approbation of Parliement. Another reason of.the
Hort. (Tenilemaa ferceusidering this matter was, the'
deference that should be paid, to public opetion.
would, utterly` deny, that, the mode of eollecting.the
public sentiments seutiments was by attending to the opkeiuns
which ,deroQgogues pressed upon those !:;),::11901
thy were attended. .1t was impelitrlotoenter,upoe
this subje6t, if not prepared with some proposition
which it may boreecessery to adopt. The iaiLl of ie.-
creasing itilleence in, the prOw ti he should totally dc-
ty, as 41so that it aresp ate extept front the
disposal of commissionsv&e. lit (30, the increase
of wealth among the *lnherit of the popular branch
treadle a siren, eounteiVailing balance upon that
influence. The appointments to the Local Militia ori-
ginated not with the bat the LorilLieutenatit of
the county., iind fer hi., part IP: 1110lIght;11* to 4..teept
of such appOluttnepts• cVaS rot her an act Of pan iOttsill
On the part of the receiver 1114 it of patronage on th it
of the donor, and that the charge was attended with
inuelt personal inconveHenee for the purpose of se.
curing the onkli.t: adv:mtage:l'hel.:lnd.Genth;imaii had
'said, that the'practice of
-.the COnstitution was in fa-
vour of the precedents by
,which he regulated his
present measure. here were theorists, however,
who would oveiltep the practice, and orge addil
reasons for aleilishing 20' as tolled been before.—
Though the lion. Peetletrean "may coesicier cerran
limits as sntistaetoiy to biM, yet others would be for
extending their ex.,nriple by refer) mg to tbe Act of
Settlement for so doing, and therefore the lion.
Gentlem,ati"s propoisitien:C.onlil be of no stalitimity. or
fixed effect. Lipn#lltest, greunds, he trusted, the
reiolution of Ow :*Pentleman Would be ne-
natived by the House., '
Mr. ',FLEII NIBY agreed With what had" been said by
the Hon. Gentian-4ln opposite as-"to the pre-
sent stage of this propositibif; it hja lion. Friend
would aet upon thO.rottods of wing:Mg it foreeirit
.Sessiop„ he. :shohltl mest erildially vete with
Mae. • lie did ,tiot. think it right by atiy rut i 1.0 sk,o
waylo popular -alien in oppobltiot toieeitel public
opinion. ThiS'qUeition was fnunded upon an ad of
the. House arising from the 'report Of ..th6 Fin6tict:
(.`.ornotittfq,,, submitted to thpinvesti4ation of Nr-
liameilt hitherto. Ile could' note 'however, see any,
occasion w by pegsOili having Peitsions',should be dis-
possessed of Seats in titan House,•atra Meritorious of-
liCer to *hem a pension may he granted for his past
services, wrield, upon such 1 principle, be excluded,
nrid .the House dettit l,fho atiSiStano of his opieion.
Frofri pradical iiiierience be knew the adeantages
w hitch ,seild result kora. the Vict-'President. Of the
llhard,of Trade' Sitting'in Paliameht. 11:ke I_,Olds of:
the 'l', ~.itiury and Adwir,ihy would all, he eenei ived,

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