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if parties continued to raise, questions which might lead
to implea-ant results.

Mr. C. LEWIS wished to sta'e that the attention of
the Bight Hon. Baronet near him (Sir G. Grey) had
directed to the question of the vatuati n of property,
and th...t he had prepared a measure, which, for want of
a proper opportunity, had- not been yet introduced.
Mr. DISRAELI was glad to hear the explanation of
the Under Secretary, It was quite ceriain that this
was a qua-tion which could no longer be delay ed. Per-
sonal property in this country had to rai:c a se
parate r pventie of its own to the amount of
12 000,0001 per annum. This was a startling
reality, and one which would force itself upon the atten-
tion of Government. Lc cal taxation was the great
question of the day; in Ireland it had nis,,cl a revolu-
tion, and public opinion in this country had been, of
course, greatly attracted to it in c‘i,nsequence. He was glad
to hear that Government had a measure in c intetnpla-
tion on this sut)ject, and ho hoped that it would be one of
the first things they would hear of next session.
Mr. WODEHOUSE expressed his satisfaction that a
measure was in preparation. The question of rating
personal property was connected with the poor-law, and
the evidt.nce of several gentlemen examined before the
Committee of the House supported him in this opinion.
This subject of the land-tax, and the rating of the
poor, must be brought under the thorough revision of
Parliament in the next session.
Mr. MUNTZ was ready to admit that it was most
difficult to rate personal property equably; but that was
a different matter to what they were now seeking to
attain; for her Majesty's G-overnment proposed a sys.
tern of rating whiah was most dishonest, inasmuch as
they were seeking to rate only a small portion of the
property in the country, instead of the whole of it.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said his object was eftcted
by the declaration of Mr. C. Lewis, and therefore he
would withdraw his amendment.

The amende3eut was then withdrawn, and the 13.
passed through Committee.

- HOUSE' OF COMMONS' OFFICES BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and pas•ed.
PETTY BAG, -&c., OFFICES AMENDMENT BILL.
This Bill was alAo re.d a third time and passed.
LAND IMPROVEMENT AMENDMENT ACT

(IRELAND) BILL -
This Bill syls reed a third time and passed.
LUNATIC ASYLUMS (IRELAND) BILL.
Bill was read a third ;hue and pissed.
RELIEF OF DISTRESS (IRELAND—No. 2) BILL.
This Bill was read a thirii time and passed.
The Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill was postponed
till TriursdAv.

REGIMENTAL BENEFIT SOCIETIES BILL.
This 13:11 paz,sed througti Comtnitt, e, and the report
was order,d to be received to -morrow.

ENLISTMENT (AR iIiiLERY AND ORDNANCE

BILL.

This Bill passed through Committee.
Li ansvv. r a question by Sir J. GRAHAM,
Mr. FOX MAULE said, by a recent regulation the
artillery ullicer would now receive his pension after
t,„„,..nr.,,,-inur years' service instead of twenty-ane, as
formerly.
Tie report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
This Rid was amended and ordered to be read a third
time to- Morro Vf.

CUSTOMS' ACT.
This Bill passed through Committee after some verbal
amendments handed in by the Chancellor of the Ex.
chequer.

WORKHOUSES (IRELAND).
On the question that tha rt•purt upon this g
bruu_•ht up,

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in
reply to Mr. Stafford, stated that the Bill would enable
the Bo4rd of Works to lend money for increa.ung
the workhouse accommodation of Ireland. A you!
ha l be-ti already t,iken of 50.000/. for this purpos,?, and
altogether he believi.d 100,t/00/. or 110,0001. would (we
unierstood) be required for this purpose.
The report was brought up.
LABOURING POOR ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
phis Bill was read a ththt time.
DISEMBODIED MILITIA BILL.
This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be
committed to. morrow.
Adjourned until five o'clock.

in each town where letterA could ho prepaid by money.
This regulative applied to fureiLu a 3 well 145 eJlonial

POOR-LAW RETURNS.
Mr. DISRAELI said teat the House was pro-
bably aware that by the present regulations the
returns of the state of pauperi,m in the country
were made only once in the year, and ware
always a year in arreer Grn at inconvereeece
heti been fele,in a recent de,cession from this circum-
stance, and he wish, d to know from the. First. Pooelatv
Cerainh-sioner whether he had telteu in'o consideration
any means ot rt medying rids evil, and whether there was
any prospect of the returns being made oftener?
Mr. BAINES had had his attention called to
the subject, whether any more satisfactory method
could be adopted of making these returns. The
accounts ot the Bard were made up half-
) early, and as they had to pass through the hands of
tae auditors, it was some time before they were ready
for inspection, but still by six months afterwards chef
were alien's ready to be putdi,h, d.
POOR LA sV MEDICAL OFFICERS.
Mr. DISRAELI was net quite satisfied with the
answer he had just received. He wished t°
ask another question of the Right Hon. Gentleman,
reepretitig the medical officers of unions, who, by the
authority of the Board of. Health, were often obliged to
undertake duties which were never contemplated when
they undertook their situations; and he wished to know
whether there was any power of granting extra reMIP
aeration to these officers.
Mr. BAINES said the Board of Health had not a power
to increase the salaries of these aficers, though for anf
extraordinary service they could direct additional retrt"
aeration to be paid them.
REGISTRATION ACT.
Sir DE LACY EVANS wished to ask a question
with respect to the new R gistra;ion Act which came
into operation on the 20th or this month, and which
changed the day on which it was necessary that rates
should be paid to secure a vote. Somo collectors
either did not or would not understand the new law, and
he wished to know if there aas any power of punish-
ing them, and what remedy the suffirer would have, if
they neglected to place a voter on the list in this
manner ?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said his time had beet
so much occupied that he had not had leisure to turn his
attention to the subject. sides, it involved some very
important questious of law, which would require close
attention.
Sir DE LACY EVANS said the Act Came into cl3e4
radon the day after to morrow.
WAYS AND MEANS.
Mr. HERMES asked the Chancellor of the Bit"
chequer whets he props, d to bring forward the Cote'
tnittee on Ways and Means?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
he thought on Friday next.
JUDICIAL OFFICES' IN BRITISH COLONIES.
Mr. STAFFORD eseed whether it was the ire.
tentien of the Government, in filling up "1
future appointrnente to the judicial offices
in the British colonies, and especially in Of
East Indies, where the salaries ranked so hie
ns e,gtit thousand pounds, it was the intent
Lion of the Government to fill up some of
these offizes from the Iri:h bar, say one-third.
Sir J. lIOIiHOUSE said if an opportunity should
ec,:ur in his tim,, ot course the claims and merits of the
Irish bar would be taken into consideration.
Lord ASHLEY presented several petitions from Bath,
and other places in favour of this Bill.
Mr. DUNCAN presented similar petitions frost
Paisley and Dundee.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.
Messengers from the Lords brought up the following
Bill-, which their Lordships had agreed to:—General
and Quarter Se,sions Courts Procedure,
without
amendment Laecaster and Preston Railway Al
on
Arnenti nt (Power to alter Tolls and for Appointment
of Officer,)— ['realer of Sheffield Canal to River Do°
Navigation Ciimpany, with an amendment—Sites for
Sehools—Caledonian R.ilwey (Purchase or Lease of
Wishaw and Coltness Railway)--Edinburgh and Glos.
gow Raiiwily and Wilsontown, Mornineside, and Colt'
ness Reilwav Amalgamation— East Lancashire Railway
Acts Amendment and Deviation (Connecting Lines ill
Preston and Walton le &c.) with amendments.
JOURNEYMAN BAKERS' BILL.
Lord R. GROSVENOR, after presenting several pr
titions in favour of the measure, moved for leave to bring
in a Bill to prohibit labour in bakehouses during certeil
hours of the night. He could assure the House the
feeling his own inability, he should abstain from being.;
ing forward so important a motion, did he not feel tba
the wdfarc and happiness of so many of the workill
clesses were bound up with it. He had last year move
e„
!or a Selt ct Committee to inquire into the
subject, ".
he deeply regretted to say, that the motion was retool'.
He was not however discouraged by the argument'
then used, the more particularly as his Right 11°1:.
Friend, the Secretary of State for the Home Depart"
ment stated that he (Lord Robert Grosvenor) wes°-
of court, inasmuch as, and be read the evidence of .„
Guy given before the Sanitary Commission, he W°ll',.
at once perceive that no necessity_whatever existed for c_
committee of inquiry. The Bill which he now asked lea".
to introduce was the same as that brought forward lase
yearewhieh rendered it unnecessary thathe should goint°
the details. Suffice it for him to say that journeyman
bakers worked 108 hours in the week, without any re'
laxation whatever. They were unable to go to all
place of religious worship, and the result of it was, morel
and physical degradation in a lamentatle manner. He
begged to atsure those who wera atraid of being de.'
priced of hot rolls at breakfast in the morning, that
such would not be the case, as hot bread could be deli-
vered as early as half-past nine o'clock. He brought
forward the present Bill under happier auspices than
last year, be cause then the master bakers were opposed
to it, but now he was happy to say that two-thirds were
in its favour, and that mutt one petition was presented
against it. Any measure such as be proposed
generally met by two objections; first, that actor
o_
.
ing to the principles of a sound politil
economy, no interference could take place with
labour ; and, secondly, that if one trade were
to be favoured, the others would demand a similar
protection., But the House ought to recollect We,
it already affirmed the principle in the Factory Act,
the Mines and Collieries Act, and in the CoalwhiPPeri
Act; and if other trades had a grievance to complain °
why should they not come forward? The experience °f
the last 20 years clearly proved !het no danger was to de.
apprehended from any such changes as he pr°P,°,:tee
His Right Hon. Friend said that bakehouses ought he
placed under the operation of the Sanitary Bill;u ld
(Lord Grosvenor) believed that such a proceeding c°ll
not have the deaired effect; and as to the
working clov.!,
he thought the muse they reduced the hours of labour
to a reseronaule time the more would the social and toe;
ral coalition of the workieg clesses be improved. 11°
stood the case with these unfortunate bakers? They?
came from the country—more particularly from Scot
land, at the age of 15, and after passing through tree
bkh usetheyohtittdhenior timemminds. Use,
aft.p t.tr,
to the improvement
in conclusion, implored them, fur all the reasons be b ad
IfiieferytMo tititeevhot (e)f the
ihns given, to allow the measure to be submitted to CO
consideration of the Reuse, to be taken into its consid r
ration, in order to put an end to evils so grievous and
depleraele.
Mr. L ABOUCH ERE observed, that it was quite um'
nec, scary for his Noble Friend to express any appear
hension its to the manner in which he brought forwat
his motion, fur certainly the judicious way in which he°
laid betore the House the claims of the working classess+
deserved the highest approbation. He was bound, boa'_
m
ever, reluctantly to express an opinion contrary to tec_ee
principle of the Bill, bud should vote against it, beca
it was a novelty in their legislation, aiming directly eri"
avowedly at limiting the hours of labour, not in Wlth
ea,,
where large numbers of people were congregated and Butt'
dwell to the visits of Government insp, ctors, but in priva.°
ing- houses and workshops. He believed that gull
a system if introduced into this country would be iculael-
intolerable; it would apply to all other trades in peocre;
of time, and he therefore thought it behoved
House to consider before any step was taken .-tte
such a direction, with its army of commis,ionote'
and hosts of inspectors. His Noble Friend
quot'f!"
the Coalwhippers Act as an instance of the inter'e..
rence of Parliament in such matters, but the truth is,
there was no similarity whatever between them. Tbq
were an organised body, working in a body, and n°
scattered as the bakers were—(Hear, hear)—nor did
the Bill alluded to interfere in any way whatever with
wages, but the manner in which they were paid. Tr
was, in point of fact, something analogous to the Act re"
gardirig the shipping of seamen, but as to the measure'
now brought forwar-1 by his Noble Friend, the case vine.
so simple that he did not feel it necessary
to detain the'
House. He believed more harm than good would be,
dune by it, and although it was no doubt brought for:'
ward by his Noble Friend in a benevolent spirit 50°'
with the best intentions, yet calculated as it was to di"
mischief, he should meet it with a direct negative. •
Lord DUDLEY C. STUART had some diffieulti is
voting for the Bill, inasmuch as he wished to have
explanations given in consequence of the accounts ha
received being so contradictory. It was on that se:
count that he deeply regretted the Government'
thought proper during the last year to refuse a 03°.
lion fur a Comrnitty of Inquiry, which would. if
greeted, have given them all the evidence they retplire.ei
It he went into the City to Bakers' Hall, be was WWI
by many of the most respectable among the bakers'
men who had been workmen themselves, that there was
no occasion for it; while, on the other hand, many
equelly as respectable were in favour of such a measure'
W hat he would advise his Noble Friend to do, if tb
Government relented, would be to withdraw his Bill for
the present session, and appoint a Select Committee
_e;
Inquiry during the next. He would, therefore, urge °
his Right Hon. Friend the President of the Board .„
give way, and by allowing a Select Committee, every
object soueht by both parties would be attained. e
Sir DE LACY EVANS referred to the evidence give'
by Dr. Guy before the Sanitary Committee, and eon;
tended that a possible inconvenience should not proven'
a remedy for such a grievance. He trusted the Govere;
meet would hold out some hope of taking the watte
into com,i,leration next session, and, it not, ho should
certainly vote fer the motion of the Noble Lord. , a
Mr. DUNCAN supported the motion, and contended
that any man wit° read the evidence of Dr. Guy. and "of
net do aiimethieg for the amelioration of the condition
the working bakers of that city, did not deserve the
name or man.—(A laugh.)
Mr. STAFFORD said that those who had solicited a
promise of inquiry from the Government had not don,,
men, done
quite justice to his Right Ilia. Friend ( Laboucherei
This was a question of adult labour, ate! these en,Th..:o
suf-
fering greatly frona the present system, asked the 11,1,e,
t-,inte-e ng. r: .1:!,e
o,tk •
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`We have 2sai its skein as `e
gr.' et, principle, and we,vekt
not interfere with the adult labourer. Now, the 111.7 a
Lion, Gentleman had seesVW the C9§lwhiPPers' 've"