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abolition of the ►nanifold abuses in the rept esentative sys-
tem absolutely indispensable.—(Hear, hear.) To the
progress of that inte►ligence, and the growth of that spirit.
this measure, he (lid not hesit ite to affirm, was entirely
to be ascribed.—(Cheers.) Public opinion had waxed
powerful, it was true, but apart from, and in despite of,
the influence of constituted authorities.—(Hear, hear.)
It was fostered by no placeinan, it had not found favour
with officials ; but few could disbelieve that the spirit of
Reform extensively pervade,' all classes of society. He
was, indeed, surprised to hear one representative from
Scotland lately discrediting that assertion, knowing, as be
did, that the passion for this mighty measure was even
stronger in his country tha❑ it could be said to be in any
other part of the British empire.—(Hear, hear.) If the
people hungered and thirsted after the aliments of tile
Constitution, in a land that abounded with the partially
pure stre.mis of political freedom, how much more earnest
must be their yearnings who dwelt in vales that were
p relied by the arid and malignant influence of corrup
'ion.—(Hear, hear.) Even so it was with Scotland
c minpared with the comparatively well-represented inha-
oit,,uts of this more favoured country ; and, therefore,
from the 2,000,000 of Scotch►nen there had actually
proceeded more petitions in support of the Reform
Bill, than from the 13,000,000 of Englishmen.—
(Cheers.) In Scotland a separate and independent cur-
rent of political power, that did not emanate from the
people, subsisted, without wafting into the Legislature the
opinions and wishes of the intelligent population ; and
therefore, since no such assertion to the same extent could
he predicated of England, Reform was even more neces-
sary for the Scotia than for their fellow subjects south of
the Tweed. With this conviction firmly impressed upon
his mind, he entertained no doubt whatever that the con-
y lsion which might ensue from its denial, would be even
more fatal in the great towns of Scotland, than amongst
the political societies of Manchester and Birmingham.—
(Cheers ) He testified to this with the more confidence,
oecause he spoke not without adequate knowledge of time
subject. Having said thus much he should proceed very
briefly to explain what better system it was proposed to
substitute for that which it was intended to remove. And
het e he would observe, let the wisdom of the measure be
criticised how it might, that it appeared impossible under
such circumstances for any men in their senses to make a
change which should not be at least somewhat for the
better. The general principle, he trusted, would be ad-
mitted to be a boon, not only to Scotland, but to the em-
pire at large ; and since the present system was evil in all
its details, there could be no doubt that, with a view to
effectual improvement, it would be better at once to take
it down altogether.—(Cheers.) They would accordingly
rescind the whole principle, and leave no rag or shred, no
jot or tittle, of the antiquated system remaining.—
(Ironical cheers from the Opposition.) And pray why
should parchment voters, to the number of 113 out of a
population of 100,000, of whom two-thirds had abso-
lutely no property whatever, be suffered to interpose be-
tween the intelligent community, and those just rights
which the Constitution had designed for them?—(Cheers.)

Wily should Magistrates elect and re-elect each other any
longer,—why should they be permitted to share among
themselves the privileges which were the legitimate pro-
perty of all,—why should they be suffered to stand for one
hour, nay for one moment,—between the wealth, the in-
telligence, the public spirit of the country, and the Legisla-
ture in which they were entitled to have a voice? Why,
he asked again, should 33, or 21, or 17 or 11 Magistrates
exclude the public at large from the exercise of those just
prerogatives which constitutionally appertained to them ?
No; such a state of things he trusted would be allowed to
continue no longer. The Legislature would step in and
tell those who so usurped that which did not belong to
them, that they should not interfere; for they had no right
or pretence for such interference. Some modifications
of particular details might be introduced in the Com
mittee, if it appeared expedient to make any minor
alterations in its provisions, but Government would
resist any changes which could at at all affect the
ps incip tl features of the measure. 'The ownership of
real property to the amount of 101. a year, or the occu-
pancy of a house to the value of 101. per annum, would give
a right of voting under the Bill. Then the constituency
of all the great manufacturing towns of course would
be considerably enlarged; that of Glasgow alone would
amount to 8,000 or 9,000, while all others would receive
an increase in proportion. Edinburgh also would be al-
lowed two Members, while Aberdeen, Dundee, Paisley,
and Greenock, all flourishing and important towns, with
a population of more than 30,000 inhabitants, would be
given one each. Ministers, it would be perceived, only
intended to apply a remedy to extreme caqes, and sought
to rectify such existing abuses as were of a magnitude that
every unbiassed mind must acknowledge amounted to ac-
tual deformity. They only desired to strike off the un-
‘vholesOme excrescences which encumbered our institutions
and retarded their growth. They would not allow an in-
dividual to come in the place of actual representation;
to t they did not mean to deprive any one of his just and
constitutional rights. There was to be an addition to the
total number of representatives ; but this would be
effected without causing the slightest hardship to the
existing constituency : and the amount of that addition,
though nosininallv but five, was in effect 50. At a fitter
opportunity he should enter into details ; and therefore
hoped that Hon. Memliers opposite would abstain from
criticizing the provisions of the Bill at that st ige, unless
they intended to vote against the principle. The Learned
Lord concluded by moving the second reading of the Bill
amid general cheers.
Mr. C. DOUGLAS said he should oppose the second
reading altogether, and would, accordingly, move that it
he re of a second time this day six months. There was a
strong feeling in favour of Reform throughout Scotland
generally ; but while he made the admission he begged
leave to add that, if it was so, great exertions had been
made to produce it.—(Hear, hear.) This measure, in his
opinion, went much farther than the occasion required,
and he should, consequently, oppose it. He desired, at
the same time, to see the country voters brought into more
immediArs connection with the land, but he could not help
viewing this Bill as an att ick on the agricultural interest
of Scotland, inasmuch as it would confer undue advan-
tages on the manufacturers. He also objected to the
junction
of the counties in the mode proposed, and in-
stanced Dumbartonshire in particular, as badly treated in
the projected arrangements. While he said this, he begged
to add that be disproved, as much as any man, of the Els.
tem of self-election, and also was an advocate fir the ex-
tension of the franchise to large towns.
Mr. RAMSAY seconded the motion, calling the Bill
revolutionary, &c., but he, too, had no obj•ction to the
extension of the franchise to the large and manufacturing

towns.
Mr. GILLON bore testimony to thend popularmended the
ity of the
Reform Bill throughout Scotland,
a co m
conduct of the town councils generally during rho. late
elections, while he censured the self•electiona in Royal
burghs under the law as it now stood. If the borough re-
presentaticu of Scotland w is bad, that of the counties was
till worse. In proof of this, he m t
igh mention an in-
stiurce of a Scotch Member who, by his own confession,
had never been present at etlebate, or absent at a division
—had never voted according to his conscience but once,
and that once was in error.—(Laughter.) -
Sir G. WARRENDER said in March last be bad de-
nounced this measure; but he was never ashamed to own
himself wrong when he saw reason to alter his opinions,
and he would now give in his cordial adhesion to Reform.
--(Cheers.) He had formerly stated that the people of
Scotland were indifferent to Reform, but in making that
statement lie was certainly incorrect, for their subsequent
demonstrations had convinced him of the contrary. Ile
now abandoned rights which he found he could no longer
retain—(Laughter)—but lie consented to relinquish them
for sake of the peace and tranquillity of the country.—
( Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman went on to explain that
he was responsible to no one for his opinions, that lie was
perfectly independent, and that he had always embraced
the broad principles of Reform. He should follow the ad-
vice of the the Learned Lord, and confine himself to gene'
rals, without entering into the details of the Bill. When
the details came be'ore the Committee, however, lie should
state sonic objections. He was averse to disfranchisement
of all sorts. He could not consent to that marriage of
sonic districts and counties to which the Learned Lord had
referred, because the parties on all hands forbade the banns.
There were various enactments, however, which he ap-
proved ; in particular that by which the eldest sons of
Peers of Scotland who were now precluded were admitted
into the House. To other parts of the Bill he could not
consent ; yet it was capable of being so remodelled and
improved in the Committee as to recommend itself to those
who might object to it in its present state. He, therefore,
should give his assent to the second reading of the Bill,
reserving his objections till it was in Committee. lie iiad
heard nothing with greater pleasure from the Learned Lord
than that the accession of numbers to the representation of
Scotland was not to be limited to five. If his Majesty's
Government would consent to add a further accession of
five more Members, be was sure nothing would tend so
much to increase the popularity of the measure in Scotland.
Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS said, that when it was con-
sidered that it was a pe uliar question, peculiar in itself,
and peculiar as it affected Scotland, it would be inexpe-
dient to vote against the second reading of the Bill, unless
it was intended to oppose all accession to the representa-
tion of Scotland. In one remark of the Learned Lord he
could not concur, namely, that there had been a great se-

p 'salon of feeling betve een the higher and lower classes hat influence sufficiently great already. He believed that
in Scotland. He believed there was no such separation. the influence of the Crown and the Aristocracy were ne-
On the contents, it wis a sort of complaint that there toss cessary for the conduct of public affairs, and he was of opi-
peculiar mutual kindness subsisting between his country- nion that that influence would be better exercised and felt
:nen. (Bear, hear.) This, therefore, was not one of in that Howe than elsewhere. Utter] these grounds lo
those reasons on which the change of representation could should oppose the second reading of the Bill.
tie founded. The circumstances of Scotland, its vast im- The LORD ADVOCATE explained.
provement during the last fifty or sixty years, in compa Sir J. MACKINTOSH thought it totally unnecessary
iron with England, and with other of our distant pus- to attempt to strengthen the arguments which bad been
session, showed that the state ref its representation was used in favour of the Bill. He should not go into an}
no bar to the intellect of the country; yet a growing feel- details, but only say a few words upon general principles ;
irtg had extended itself before this Biil had come before the and first, he would say, that he thought it very mortifying
country, that additional representation should be given to to the Scotch to be told that their country ought to be
the great towns. He could nut concur, however, in the kept in a state of aristocratic dependence, in order to curb
observation of the Learned Lord, that this measure was a the English democracy. The Hon. B ironet (Sir G.
great boon to Scotland, Comparing- this Bill with that Clerk) had said that no people could be so safely trusted
which had just passed the House, he thought it was not a w;th popular privileges as the Scotch, and yet lie hid
great boon ; and unless the Learned Lord consented to add argued against trusting them with any. He wis sorry
greatly to the nutnter of Members, it would not give sa- that no English Member had taken a part in the debate,
misfaetion to Scotland. If the Bill was to pass, it must for was there any Englishman in the world who would
undergo serious alteration in some of its details, or it would say that a Government was free where there was not the
ri.:hts.slightest degree of popular election? and yet in Scotland
notr
tghieeesetermanSdcortelaadreilngli,eritetatiiriter
nrinteqbuina,li
himself
t(ltnaisttportninvg,
nil such principle bad ever existed. In England the lan-
(if the Bill as it stood,
guage always was, the restoration of freedom and popular
Mr. ROBERT FERGUSON (of D', sea) denied that rights ; but in Scotland such rights had never existed.—
in questions relating to Scotland, there had been no want lie attributed the great improvement of Scotland to the
of numbers. The Hon. Baronet had declared lie was the Union. The system of representation in Scotland exhi-
most independent man in that House—(" No," from Sir bite(' a double deformity ; it was difficult to find one class
G. Werrentier)—brit Scotland ties er had the means of re- et Members that had any connection with property, or
turning independent men. He had always wished for the any 'nough Members who had any connection with the
moment when she might have the power, and that too- people. The whole system was a mass of evil unchecked
merit had now arrived.—(Hear.) The cunning Corn- :Ind' unmitigated. It was a system of patronage, and
missioners, at the Union, knew what they vere about, and mehilst England owed her superiority to her stitteeles for
triad,. the Scotch representation a tool of the Government; popular institutions, a rejection of the present Bill would
and the conssepience was, they degraded the political cha- be tantamount to a declaration that Scotland was not
ratter of Scotland. They had long heard from the worthy of any popular institutions whatever.
mouths of England of Scotch jobs.—( Heir.) The sys. Sir R. PEEL explained. He had not said that the
tem would now be changed, and Scotch corporations system of repr •sentation in Scotland ought to be continued
would cease to interfere with the welfare of Scotland.— as a check to democrat's innovations in England : he had
(Hear.) He agreed with the lion. Member for Dum- only said that the changes in Scotland ought to be strictly
tries—(Mr. K. Douglas)—that there was a great feeling in relation to those in England.
of regard on the part of the inferior classes of Scotland to Sir J. MACKINTOSH explained.
wards the superior; but the Learred Lord hail spoken Mr. S. WORTLEY considered the representative
onry of the feelings of throe who were excluded from the system of Scotland essentially bad, and thought that the
right of representation. The higher orders would always c! ange of that system was rendered more itnpera ice by
retain their influence on the lower by kindness; the repel-
lent system would never succeed.—(Hear.) He should time alterations to be introduced into the representation of
England. Though he did not like the Bill, he would not
only say, that the people of the three kingdoms had often
shaken hands in hospitality—they would now do so in oppose it in the present stage, but would reserve the
strong objections which he felt to it until it reached the
politic it independence. Committee.
Colonel LINDSAY said, that he knew the semi- Sir G. MURRAY said, that his objections against the
meats of his constituents, and must pay the price of
principles of this Bill were so strong as to induce him to
vote against the second readiest of it. If the principles of
voting cnofntyraerlyounto, tntheitmer.e
realile haabdusaelswaeyxsiatheedten; aanndadi-t
the Enelish Reform Bill, when carried into execution,
the Lean d Lord mid show him Cult the condition of
were likely to be productive of danger in England, the
the poor would be bettered by this Bill, he would become
extension of them to Scotland was likely to be productive
a recruit. But he was convinced it would not. The oh
of still greater danger in that country. He looked upon
j ct of Government was to make the people happy, and
this Bill as an abandonment of all the institutions of the
the corollary of this axiom was, that if the people were
country, which he had been accustomed to revere,
happy the Government must lie good. Now he would ,
end as an overthrow of all the ancient principles et
ask a stranger who travelled in Scotland, and who saw
its representation. He objected to the manner in
those whom Providence had blessed with wealth seending
which the constituency of Scotland were formed under
it amongst their countrymen—(Hear, bear)—the tenantry
this Bill. A great recommendation of the present sys-
contented and grateful—the people generally moral and
rem of representation in Scotland was, that the
religions—he would ask such stranger whether he could
voters were perfectly independent. They were neatly all
deny that to be a happy and most flourishing country ?
of such a rank in life as not to be under the controul
This was a sufficient answer to the theorists. The Bilk
, of any oligarchy, and not liable to he corrupted by any
gave a greater power to the manufacturing interest tnan
unjust influence. If this Bill introduced into the consti-
ought to be given ; for the farms in Scotland were large,
tuent body the tenantry of great, and powerful, and opu-
and would qualify few voters, and the farmers would con-
lent families, it would throw a vast and formidable power
s-quently lie completely out-voted by the others. It was
into the bands of the landlords of Scotland. He denied
unconstitutional in this Bill to put the power given by it
that there had been any urgent demand for Reform in
into the hands of Sheriffs of counties in Scotland. He
Scotland before this Bill was introduced into Parliament,
maintained that there was not a fair proportion ofMembers
but admitted that since that event there had been great i iIL
proposed to be given by this Bill to Scotland, and he would
citement among the population. He insisted that con-
further maintain that the articles of Union were violated
cession was not the way to allay that excitement. No
by the proportion of representatives which this Bill fixed
thing was more dangerous than the propagation of the
for Scotland. Borrowing tie argument which had been
doctrine that this was the cause of the King and the
already employed by Mr.Croker. in the discussions on time
people against tie Aristocracy, as it tended to excite
English Bill, in reference to England, the Hon. Member,
angry passions, and to stir up hatred and ill-will in quar-
while lie admitted that there was a cry at present from
tern where none had existed previously. The Noble and
Scotland for Reform, proceeded to state that the demand
Learned Lord had declared that it was his intention not
for Reform was but of yesterday, that from the yew 1820
to modify, but abolish, the old representative system of
to the year 1828 there had been few, very few, petitions in
Scotland. A similar determination had influenced the
favour of Reform presented from Scotland ; that there were Statesmen of France at the commencement of the revo-
none in the }ears 1828, 1829, and 1830 ; and that in the
lotion, and he need not describe the fatal consequences
year 1831 (reckoning from the commencement of the Ses-
which had followed from acting upon that determination.
sion in October, 1830), 179 petitions had been presented
Under the old system Scotland had advanced surely and
from Scotland praying for Reform. What was the in-
steadily in prosperity, and though gentlemen might state
ference, he inquired, to be drawn from that fact ? The
that it bad so advanced in spite of the defects in its re-
plain and obvious inference was, that the people of Scot-
presentative system, that was too paradoxical an assertion
land were happy and contented with the existing state of
for him to assent to. There might be blemishes in that
things until the present plan of Reform had been brought
system, but would they be cured by this rash, violent,
forward by the Noble Lord, for which they called aloud,
and sudden experiment? He thought not. The sup-
as they were led to believe that it would be a panacea for
porters of this Bill saw advantages accruing from it which
all their grievances. He was not at all surprised at that,
he sesee aorry to say that lac :lei not. If he could perceive
for whenever you promised his countrymen any thing,
them, he might consent to make the eiteratiotis proposed
they were sure to ask for it. Whenever any promise was
by this Bill; but as he did not perceive them, he cons.; not
held out to them, no matter how fallacious the antieip nion
prevail upon himself to put all the blessings which the
might be, there was no people in the world who would so
country enjoyed at present into jeopardy, in order to meet
soon ask for it ; in fact, it was in their nature to do so.
the wishes of the Noble Lords and the Right Hon. Gen-
--(A lett. h.) "I' he Hon. Member concluded by reitera-
tlemen opposite. It had been said, that if this Bill passed,
tine his determination to oppose the Bill. we should have no more expensive and unnecessary wars ;
Mr. C. GRANT maintained that the people of Scot-
but this was assuming a fact which he could not adutie—
land were most anxious and desirous for a Reform in the
that democracies were not pm-one to war. Now he con-
•tate of the representation in that country. It had been
tended on the experience both of ancient and of modern
candidly and truly admitted by the Hon. Member opposite
times, that democracies always had an eager and passionate
(Mr. K. Douglas), that there bad prevailed in Scotland,
desire for scar. Which was the war party in France ?
for a long period, a growing disposition in favour of some
Thedemocratic party ; and as a proof of the anxiety of
change in the Scottish system of representation. That
the French people to engage in war, he would merely say,
feeling was not confined to those individuals in that country
that a Minister, who bad resigned his power from a con-
who were also friendly to the course of Parliamentary' Re-
viction of his inability to keep it, had been enabled to re-
form in England, but it extended itself to the enemies of
sums it by the mere annunciation of the fact, that the
that cause, who had been al ne restrained from proposing
French army was on its march into Belgium. He believed
a change in the Scotch system, lest it might lead to a Re- that
if this country were mede more democratic than it
form of the representative system in England. He would
was at present, it would, instead of diminishing its expences,
contend that the people of Scotland should be no longer
excluded front the rights and privileges of Englishmen, as be plunged into expences far greater than any which we
had hitherto incurred. The Hon. Member for Kirkaldy
they were at present, in gross and manifest violation of the
had said that it was not an addition to time 'loather of
first principles of the Constitution ; and he would maintain
Members, but a change in the manner of electing them,
that upon the same principle that emancipation had been
that was wonted in Scotland ; but he denied that such was
granted to the Catholics of Ireland, a Reform in their re-
the case, for Scotland was entitled to an increase of Mem-
presentation should be given to the people of Scotland.
hers, and if this Bill were to become the law, let her at
That princidpeleprwivaes,,, tohfatth7 pjnoarttiornigohftsouanrdfelplortivvisleugbejaecntsf
all events have her fair share. When English boroughs,
should be
with a population of 2,000 or 4,000 inhabitants, had one
Englishmen ; and it was impossible to say that the Eng-
or two Members, why should Scotch counties, with a po-
lish Constitution at present existed in Scotland—in a
pulation of 100,000, have only one? He concluded by
country in which there was literally no representation.
. repeating his determination to vote against the second
The Hon. Member opposite granted the activity, the tor-
reading 'of the Bill.
toe, the intelligence,
resources
comame.rcial prosperity, and the
growing wealth and urce..of Scotland—ke granted all Lerd ALT lIORP saw no necessity at present for die-
cuss.ing the general principle of Reform ; for the question
that( the people of Scotland should be ex-
those things on the part of his countrymen, the people of
Scotland—and what was his conclusion from such pre- the principle of Reform for England
nhoitc. Was, whether
enici,ui,sndleyitfurtoiNm:lll.Y...til.: blessings and advantages of the Br itishmg been agreed to, the House should stop there and
He (Mr. Grant) would
they would not dare to refuse this measure not extend it to Scotland. It would be impossible, after
Hear, hear.) the able and uncontradicted speech of the Noble and
Learned Lord, to pass over that country. The Right
that they would not have the heart to refuse Hon Gentleman opposite had said that he. would agree
to the removal blemish in the
of some
such a just concession to the united demand of the people
tteml ist,itnnant,lii_at
s only one blemish, which spread over the whole sur-
of that country. The effect of this measure %ovoid be to
knit together more closely. the various classes of society in 7acae, and that must be taken away. It had also been said
that the call for Reform had only arisen in Scotland alter
Scotland, and to cement permanently and substantially
this Bill was brought in ; but the contrary was the fact,
those bonds by which they were all united. The Legi- and every Scottish gentleman with whom he had con-
stature bad but to grant this boon to Scott Ind, cordially,
and the result would be, that
versed, agreed in the opinion that the desire for Reform
generously, and graciously, had been long growing up throughout that country. It
they would rivet time ties of connexion between the people
had also been urged, that because Scotland prospered, no
of Scotland and the people of England, and establish a
change was necessary in its representation; but that obser-
vation had been answered by that country having had its
countries (Cheers-)
perpetuity of friendship and good feeling between the two
laws made, and its institutions modified, by a Parliament,
Sir G. CLERK acknowledged that he for one felt
of which a laree portion was elected by the people.
some curiosity to hear the arguments by which the Right
,m' rite wish for au addition to the number of Scotch
lion. Gentleman would support a measure like this, against
Me erawas inconsistent with the fear expressed
which he had himself so often voted.—(llear, hear, from -a' . i
that the Right Hon. Gentleman was able to adduce in'
the Opposition.) The only argument, it now appeared
Y
of the increase of democratic influence, for it was
said that this Bill increased the power of the people, and
favour of this measure was, that the people of Scotland de-
et more Members returned by them were desired. The
mended such a change, and therefore that it was not safe sale
tw.titntuvtasdimpos-
quence and interest of the smell resilient proprietors of
to withhold it. The one great evil which he anticipated Right lion. Gentleman had trulyf '1 that it •
!Utile to destroy the influencte‘oyaspr7teer
eyvideint
thatetsitteriamye-
from this Bill was, that it would destroy the whole rouse- tog property itself ; but
destruction, of property. was the
tic of the people of Scotland. Time
Scotland. He knew how difficult it would be to persuade honourable character;
quisition, rather than
discontent. of the se
from not having an adequate reure-
English gentlemen that the representation of Scotland wasl're:etPical evil, and it was to remedy that evil
good.—(Hear and a laugh.) Yes, but this difficulty con-
cutnstance that it happened to be so different from the sittathist
Bill
ls
savPiis introduced. The case of Scotland rested
sister', not in the fact that it was not good, but in the cir-
thatupon different different grounds from that of other parts of the
English system. As to the feeling which prevailed in empire, and at• urab
Scotland in favour of Reform, it was no wonder that such who were unfavourable to Reform generally, avo sots
•r as so strong, that it had rendered even thse
a feeling should exist after the pains which had been taken
to excite it, and the encouragement which had been given Mr. HUNT complained of the speech of the Lord Ad-
to the erroneous notion that ali distress was attributable to vocate as being too radical.
a defect in the state of the representation. lie denied, how- Mr. CRESSET PELHAM strongly .
a Reform in Scotland. .
opposed the mo-
ever, that there was any foundation fin. the assertion of the tinn• Strong manifestations of dissatisfaction were put
Lord Advocate, that thre was a want of community of forth in the course of the Hon. Gentleman's speech,. and
favour
"The ofßi
llbe Ministerscni
feeling between the higher and lower classes in Scotland. If on its conclusion the gallery was clearedfor a division,
he thought itpossible to make any modification in this Bill, when there appeared—
be.For the second reading
mnitted—ollllsMon-
:2o9
would not oppose the second reading ; but as the Lord
Against it
Advocate had told them plainly that he meant to over-
throw the whole of the existing system in Scotland, he
could see no use in reserving his opposition for the Corn- "
mattes. it ~ , ,
~
its luny manatee, the •
propriety of assimilating day next,
Sir C. FORBES rose, and spoke vehemently • t
against
the laws of England and Scotland I •possible, but
as al as
the measure.
the peculiar division of
r.MC. FERGUSSON defended
the effects of the sameofrepresentation to b. as ' ' '
On the mol'tiloanimtiltlYattn
the opinions which he
eine system
• light bad expressed in an earlier hour of the debate.
different in the two
countries as was different from
Mr.
BRUCE dark. To assimilate the representation of Scotland to that gave notice that he would on Monday
system which the Reform Bill had enacted for England, nest move, in the Committee on the Bill, that an addi-
would he to destroy the landed and agricultural interest of tional Member should he given to Inverness.
Scotland. He would candidly admit that his great objet- The Bill was then ordered to he committed on Monday.
tion to the Ministerial plan of Reform was, that it would The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of,
increase the democratic influence in that House. He thought and at a Quarter past Tivo the House adjourned.