The Sun.
London, England, 1814-07-21 00:00:00

VOTE OF CE EDI r.

On the CHASCRLLOR of the EXCIIMUER'S 1110-
0011, that the House reSolve itself into it Corn-
mittee to take into consideration...the .I;rince ite-
gent's Message .m the aboVe subject,
Mr. WHITBREAD rose. He should have sup-
posed, that before making that 'motion, the Hon,
cientletnan would have-stated the ground on which
lie proposed a Vote of Credit. , With respect to
the, situation c,f the Continent, it appeared that a
large British army, at least
.10,00 q In-en, were to
remain in_the Low Countlies, and that tile whOte
f tl'at army was to be put under the orders id.
. Prince of 'Orange. He thought it ought to
be stated why the command should, be taken
away. from British Officers .and given to a Fo-
reign' Prince. The reason Why Sicily was, to
remain in the'occupttion of British, troops should
be given, nod he trUsted' that fur the sake,of de-
cency 'at le4st, the Genoese Republic would he
alloWed to • scud ,S6l-11.0 Comntissidners to the
Congress, and that no part of the tc7rit:ny occu-
pied by our fOrces ' should be given away: to
hew masters,.without their own aonsent. He had
also, her. rd o ilk ProclamatiOn said to have been
i. itted hY Sir .A!exander Cm-it:rime, in Which he
invited the Negroes in America fo rise 'agains:t
their nvlsters ; and he had seen anOther, signed.
with the name of that'AdMiral, which did not go
su far, but which invited pensions sp dispoied, to
trat ..‘nierica,•and -enter the,J.kitish service, or re-
c,ive grants of 1011(1111'01;r colonies. Such Pro-
di;l not consider as
clamations legitimate wea-
pons of war, and hoped they would be disavowed
by
(;,,virnment. They would not ouly be uni.aw-
ft!;, outWotild be impolitic, as they would cer-
tainiv recoil upon -ourselves. 'On all these pointsi:
be trusted the Chancellor of' the Exchequer was
repared to furitisli satisfactory ex}ilanations.
The -ea TSZPl.cilft of thi! FAX6NEWJER thougilt
that if-the country had been iii 'a state of entire

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:peace,,, then ;I. might Int've been. beee'sSary to 'ad•;,
done ;lie vaticular e.roonds vi,llith render/v(1 a
'cote of cri:dit iteceSy,r,ry....- But this '‘vms Sot th;::
*,se; and the rote itiit-if was oqoived befw'i, it's,
amount was known. Lle sholddsnoty state Oat it
' shutt4l not exceed three iiiiiliAns ; nod \,10,!,1 it
was considered that the ..var with America raight
.retpure considerable exertions, !inti tO bow thony'
European 3tihjects titc 'Vote of el.edrt was to apply',
- he Crusted i:s propt•kly wotdd hecoate apparent.'
liis Nol):e Friend (Lord Citstlerettgil) would be
inure able to 'cuter into au explanation of the 1.)0.--:
litical. relations of .the .11,:tiropean Power:, -be
.hould. ',lily confin,: :lint:Alf to staring a- few facts..
Oar situation tit pleent %Vas more like that which
folfows the signatory of. Ptelintinarie, ;old prti-
ceties the conclusiou of a treaty than a complete
state of Peace. Though w,e, had set all'our,dif-
tervnces: with -France at
,rest, yet Europe re- -
mained to be settled, and, until that point
should be attiined; exertions, to a cert:rin eN•
ten t . ShOtild not cease. A,S to the occupation of
the Low Countries by our trooils, no one could
think that we shoold give tip their protection un-.
til their fate. should have been- decided. if the
'ComMand 0 our troops in that quarter had been
given to his 12..0yal Iflghness the Pritce of 4Jrabge;
who was more desening of such a mark of confi7
d.,-:,:ce, than a _young Prince who-had reci'iv-ed his
political anc; military e,lue'atitin in the serv.ice of
- this culuitry,.ll!.der ;he command of our ;Munn,:
4.e.: Chief -o!the-VOte of Credit a large -portion •
would gi) to loin e!,ig:i!,,cineuts into I?lii.vh wt)
liad entered with other powers. Br rei:erriot; .to
'the Tteaty of Cbainuont, it wt.nild-be iinntd,•-tuar
Russia, for the last nine mouths, tur:l Prussia and
Austritt for the list ,evit iooiryi, wore ent:tled
to their share of a sittAsidy of lill't, illilliollS. lie
,thougiit„tfoii the whine, t!:at th.,. grant vas ne-
cessa.ry to enallie the country to preserve her high ,
tank na,iongst the nations ..t-. Europe., during the
negotiation which were on the ,eve of taking-
!,tire. • , , . .

Mr; TIERNEY could not see, from the statement
of fit& noli. MI 7.tile present reinanif
,gliOuld not have been added to the_elritly tra-
ordinaries. •, lie 4iid heard tlett it was ,the- inten-
tion of Goverpinglit to enniinue the PrOpert y
on the ground that we•wete still at war tvitii Ante:
rictr. He hinted •nnt, aid was of tipaion that it
had been intended in.:rely to enable us to-main=
rain the great contest (70 the Contiueut, and that
its legitimacy cussed with the tear which we
had so lately rennin-tied. As to the itches Esta-
blishment, he feared that for three years to come,
it could' not be p1a(7,41 on a lower Imiting rustle.
56 or 38 ruiificros ; but after that pet he trust-
ed that a cfws-elerabie redoetiole might he made,
Lord C,STLEP.EAGH, Ihatigh be did nOt
that the present motion %vas to add to the, Army
Extraor6b:taries, thought -it would have been
onteti!eut for the Crown to have received
the money bethat way, or by a vote of credit.—
We were-still engaged in hoSilities with America,
and twit war required in itsell'considerable exer-
ti•nts, in order to he brooglit to a speedy conelu-
sinn. The demands on the country for the con-
tinental war 'were not- yet tL•riiiinated. The re-
turns from the Peniirsula had not been all re-
ceived. He hoped the House tvould • hot now
he. less satistbd , with the Peace than they
had been 'when it was made. glee-wee` peace
had been signed with France, all aiiKiety re-
.specting the settlement 01 Europe had not
eease-d. There was a provision in the Treaty 'of
Chamont. which cuacted, that there should he
intermediate state after the signing of the-Tn.-illy,
in which they should remain. armed, and guareing
the security of that pe-ace wlllct had been eon-
eluded. It .was resolved that the tour Lahling
PoWers should agree together on the amonet of
force tvhich they should joinilv keep on
This had sit:ee been done, mid, a(Caniveirtioa had
been- entered into pursuant to the provisions of
ti;e Treaty between the-Will' PoWers, .rtettlathre•
the amount Of that force. This it would be his
duty to lay before the but >ls theeratiacA,
tiou could not he received in dine for this Session,
it cOuld probably not be produced until the be-
ginning of the next. The tvhole principle On
which this Convention was foultdea w us, that
until,a general peace had been:seeured, it was the
interest of all parties to retain an attitude which
would ensure 'the attainment of that 6biect
With respect to America, Commissioners had
been appointed to treat with thote gent feryin that
country, and the delay was occisinned solely by
.the latter. He had also heard of proclamations
purporting to be signed by Ste Alexander Coat-
-rime, and enticing the Negroes to 'rebel he
could answer that, as far its his•inquiries had ex-
tended, Clover threat were ignorant of the exist-
ence of such proclamations. If, however,' great
numbers, of American seibjects on the coasts were
desirous of withdrawing from their, country, and
accepting either service or land in ours,- be thought
it teould be impolitic to prevent/them.
Mr. WtarrarteAn could not understand the Noldu
Lord's observations-respecting the„ state of Eu-
rope. When we made a peace with France,- we
made a peace with the only country with which
wereat ...or; the other Powers were our Allies ;
why theft shOuld we wait the decisions of the Con-
gress to consider ourselves in a state of- perfect
peace ?--The conntry looked ,to the States that
had been oppressed, and hoped to -see thent re-
dressed : 'she. looked to Norway, than which no
country had ever• been treated in a snore unjust
and dishonourable manner, and hoped _to see her
returned to her'rig:itlal owner. In concluding,
he would but just notice ir ridiculous rumour, to
which: he gave no 'credit, but which had passed -
cur for a few hours, that a number of Plts-.
sians had been taken into British pay, iu oedef to
be sent to fight our battles-in America.
Laird CiWr.LEREAGI-1, thought that •he should
make a good bargain for the country if he could
get British troops to be employed abroad instead
of 'pa iii; the Subsidy. What he bed stated as a
mere caution, had been carried to the. other ex-
trente by the Hon: Genitlennut. He haul only said,
'that the intention of the Powers of Eur6pe was toi
insure the existence of a solid peace, by pursuing
a system of wise precaution, and did not allude ri)
any danger of renorated warfare. • Indeed, he
could add, that every appearance. promised the
most happy'result to the ineaSures adOpted by the
Allied Powers. As. to the necessity of 'keeping
up a large armed force, it arose from the provi-

6mPki occupation thairrexiiiisiv-i
teiTiYory•.TheoitilitrieA on the teftlylink Of the !thine.
HtVl T:,,tr.it of I(OIV...IICI'V iii that sitttation,='xs- well :IS
whi-h, as the King of S'Ardiqiii, soOng
s'i'c;o4:,,•er to• the ;:iffairs Or the Conlinent, had no..
;natty. trlic oCi`..l"ipieftbv Austrian troOs.
fat, be tretii;iiivelystttled,it wr.zi requisite-that those
'ef.fintries •gliottld be titrotigly.ccnPied ;
-Oil then, no Powtir .oitght to bent'. the 'whole ex-
peace of sucbocenpation. Ile O r Only ‘viSlietbli-7-
liametit to tinderstand,',thtit-the peace concluded
with Vrance ,prevent the. txpocc
winding tip the war:, Arthe same he could'
assure the firoue, thr,it instead Or tviy,htng to in-
crease their dominions, the Allied SOeiireigns• had
hitherto been guided by the Most liberal views;
and he hoped their principles Nvonld remain the
same, ni they ;rook continue to distinguish
the nu elt'es by et;ual -generosity'Altiring the re-
ntaioder of the discussions. •As iii' :is his' Own

ertions. conld -go, they tvotild ,certainly be em-
ployed to prevent the,Couress., should ii'so
from 'degrading itself..

After some_ Ik:l.omiconversation, Lord CA'TLF,-
.REAGII stated, thdt Government had no wish 'to
delay the negociations with America ; th•ey. had
made the necessary lippointment as sOon as possi:
ble, and he trusted the Cominissioners would now
speedily proceed with their i,thportant business.
Mr. WILBrEIFOIiqE hoped, that as an arrange-
.rnent of the aniiirs• .of • litti ope itbfittt to take
iliare nit a'great scale, the state of Poland would
not be fortrotten ; ;--,nd that .y,hcnever the in.ie;e,r;
of that hijiived 'coit':try,sltonhdt be in ciaestio.n, our
whole influence s:iould be thrown into the iillaace.
in her favour.
The CIiANCELLOR of -the' F4XCHE.WEII then
moved, that a slut not execediwz three
be placed at the diTosal of his Maje,ty, and the
inotion was agreed to nemine coat xadicente.