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London, England, 1849-02-06 00:00:00

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/recut(' exercise a little petriotic discretion in merely re-
'ening those speeelles which wore worthy of being rlel -
-trtied, the other.; would soon be very materially
si)ortened.- (Laughter alel cheers.)
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ffi
Mr. FUME t!lought half en hone a suekeet time
that no
Member uelit to eeceed an hour.
Sir te_
PEEL Wa3 of o
Gould be p•nten that every speech,
M materially improved if it were limited to one
I.?er•—(llear, hear) He certainly had heard the Hon.
(,palber for Montrose frequently exceed that time.—
raeghter.) He believed, however, they were all de-
b-cloents. There was a tendency to make speeches of
Ind" length, and every one must feel that a great many
Neches would have been greatly improved if the argu-
ments of the speakers had been more condensed. This
-2111 the general impression and if every Member would_
'let upon it it would have afar better effect than theof itene
Po ition of any formal rule. He did not approve h
Proposition that Hon. Members should not be allowedmight
.t.exceed an hour, because many Lion. Membere
tllltilt it gave them a vested right to speak during
on the
e,ele, and that they were conferring a favour'td eriod.—
that
pause when they spoke for a more limit, p
eil.tighter.) There were many speeches, however,eveeurt,
.....eh Would have greatly suffered by curtim
sPeeebes made neither on the introduction
°seriegiesl motions ner in reply alluded
to
f
-,e of the speeches of Burke, te t re
limit some
to
ene -leo; and, therefore, by attempting
Catining,haend other emi-
Zcires the Moose would run the risk of depriving itself_o
trusted
all act on the principle
f, public of great instruction.—(Hear, hear.) 1.1
Isi "'at lion. Members would
d down by the Hon. Member for Manchester..
Members
gt'eat dear of time might be saved if Hon.
A
:ot,
ed consider. their arguments—(Flear, hear)—and
earticularlv when it was their intention to speakh, if the):
veeee .
73, eet attend for a day or two and
advancedlistentot
and
ardgius.
„-eellts, and not repeat those already
l h' hby any dry ru ew ic
rt'rseefdooe—(ilear, hear.) By so doing they would effect
be
much more useful than
might be imposed. The great
opurionciple on which the
distinction between
i'Veuse ought to act was, to mmak
ent and other Members—
hst.eeetolN rs of the G
. o those who favoured the House with original
'notionsi,,
114'lelaber mean by a
and those _ who did not. What did the Hon.
.Minister. speaking in reply ? Did
...." raean every Minister, or merely the one who
..ight immediateTy follow the mover ? It fre-
tquently happened that a Minister closed the debate.
ea w supposing the Minister following the mover to
eed one hour, was any other Minister to speak,
°P Was it intended that only one should address the
-40080 ? The adoption of a rule of this kind, without
Stature consideration, would lead to great inconvenience.
it Was generally admitted that too much time was con-
itlented in speeches, and that too little was devoted to
431neSS ; . and the Hon. Gentleman opposite seemed
.settklY to offer himself as a sacrifice in the first in-
itilea•—(Laughter.)
I% LIUME—If the Right Hon. Gentleman will, I
"Lgr•--(Louri laughter.)
th'lter IL PEEL—I will.—(Continued laughter.) As
tA'aon. Member took the opportunity of so frequently
"teesing the House he trusted that he would set a
eeed example and would not be offended if, at the ex-
hint of some fifty minutes, he should receive a gentle
stet that his hour was almost gone.--(Laughter.) He
iertllted that those who had been in the habit of speak-
le to that
minutes would adhere to that rule, and that
fine who usually spoke an hour and a half would con.
wee themselves much within the limits prescribed,—.
et' hear, and laughter.)
tleir R.
INGLIS said the object of the Hon. Member
e4ll.te save the time of the House, but it was not at all
reel'elY that it would have the effect of making the
:tienum time proposed the minimum.—(Laughter.)
aisliv-_, COBDEN, as a member of the Committee,
the mottos
to state the grounds on which he should support
shat'etion. The Committee were generally of opinion
, the delay in the conducting of public business
.was
tviiirletk,t grievance, and every one left the Committee
the tes,e belief that very little had been done to remedy
see:v". A. similar motion to the present received the
1141 ef. four members out of twelve, and he did not
the that 4 very strong feeling prevailed against. it; butld
hevegenerat impression seemed to be that the evil a'ou
eiserst.corrected by the force of public opinion and the
seemed of lion. Members. The Right Hon. Barnet
that v6l to rest his hopes on some vague understanding
certeiti;i• Members would limit their speeches to a
Seth SelleSelle ( Air. Cubden) had no faith in any
it ooderstanding .being observed, and he believed that
lo feetleh time was likely to be wasted in the present as
wale tnee sessions. No one cculd deny that Honour-
pea"tinNlembers were often in the habit of re-
ttild tht parguments which had been used by others,
tition.es 'set .was the House was flooded with rope-
tllleatl Wear, hear.) Be (Mr. Cubden) had fre-
which Y, abstained from speaking when the arguments
80„. MeLie had intended to use were so well put by other
kNoblerabers. With respect to the suggestion of the
poVi- Lord that a charge might be brought against a
elstee, such charge must be founded on some public
liip:ibitaiic;tdktoh_ is colleagues would have to defend him on
lodie•dgrounds, and therefore it would not rest with one
answer_i‘ a three hours' speech, but his po-
',ere ert, ee defended by a dozen parties. The mem-
-1-.10,, le Government might be attacked by the whole
/Ler, ened as they formed only a small portion of the
1461::e'exhtradipdeente%tnSee
of titne.—j(Hear,
any injustice in affording them
hear He be-
"' d that a limitation of time would much improve the
uit of the speeches.-
914
(Hear hear.) The great
die was that they were too diffuse; that Hon. Members
" tot
k„
tiPt to P sufficiently to the question, and were too
Ito t.
elluote from Hansard, and the reports to which all
ite3,thisint.ernbers had access. If an Lion. Member had
°Ply e," te say, he could say it in an hour. It was
'id ell an Hon. Member had
tossnoting t.) say, and likonet know what he was oine• ly, that he was
TheY to speak for more thang an hour.—(Laughter.)
eoeicrkte of Burke was the most unhappy instance that
it Wlts'!_ilve been cited by the Right lion.. Baronet ; for
te4o4 ,recOrded that he generally emptied tli Ecouse
'Lie
rose '
ease. • ii e was called the •` dinner-bell' of the
) arid it was said that
And " He went on refining,
dircthot!ght of convincing while Hwy thought of
kid he Lilg;
beeches every one must admit thtadt
have been
bette(ges had been cut into four they wou.
lir BPeeches.—(Hear, hear.)
that ;P; NEWDEGATE begged the Home to
.consider,
q „,', they limited the privilege of discussing great
last tons in that House the result would be to give ad-
sittege to assemblies out of the House, who would con-
sei;r the right of discussion as solely confined to theme
()es) and look upon that House as the mere record-
sated of their enactments.—(Hear, hear.) He depre-
lthe: Any appeal on this question to those who recorded
h 0111" Passed in that House, because it was only just that
teen !_ides of a question should be heard, and there had
ptCtlitances when he had occasion to lament that the
I,lle had not had that opportunity.—(Hear.)
.: Rouse divided, when there appeared—
"r Mr. Gibson's proposition
Atainst it 96
Majority against the restriction
„ THE ADDRESS.
-e herd ei• VANE brou ht u the report on the Address
g P
(loPtkaiestY
he *.
The he question that the report be read a second time,
tke (4arquis of GRANBY said he hoped he would be
'elle ilreBel f°l' occupying the attention of the House whilst
4hreeee..e. few observations on the Speech from the
"ad ere_ .e•That Speech did not place the peculiar position
taa;usP cts of the country in a fair light. It greatly
eore'eerated th
°r-.tee • e Prosperity of the manufacturing and
oue reial classes, whilst it made no mention whatever
ofd
the-
pezigrrieultural and colonial distress. With respect
4ff • ,agraPh which stated that " the present aspect
ti 'ors 'he
i%cos on th d enabled her Majesty to make large reduc-
ely on. ! estinvites of last year, he was quite sure that
eeeetlete,,,,lee,the House would be most anxiona for such
Vrzeit teel.tow nen they Were practicable, but he must be
Itiliti wtrraesh what prospects this year held out which
(Ose was
eeititheni in reducing the estimates, when the
'Weer, 61031 eel upon last year to increase them ?
th,7.1 lees as Ile looked in vain for any distinction be-
e; kloveria d 1849, The Noble Lord at the head of
l's, but
'stir
said that last year there was a convul-
reased ' ere was no Convulsion when he proposed
et th West Member
kelt o West s. At that time the Hon.
hs
eerteei peoeh hiding (Mr. Cobden) had just made 1
ate;'-lear, g• ecY that there was no probability of war.
ktad".B?-...(u:') But what wes the present aspect of
't t,heY Wou ' hell%) Let them look to the Speech,
jaillth toreeiditilille see announcenaents there that a rebellion
tieseeXisted in lerarl
still --(Rear,
hear)—and
had broken out in the Pun-
re.', the state )—and that a spirit of disaffection
111113? of them wee
ttiiheerir.f)olt" Ictii:
jegte:rrre_pd_rr7aueaedtotn:"?nunetit—,sile.c(otenaire,s
yLh.ear.) At the same
as most distressing;
very verge- of insurrection.
then toselect such a time as
the' yd navy av,
In
sip, distress es.pect to the omission of any mention of
or of the a„the agricultural districts, ho could not
NI,. its mien .tertnrceot were ignorant of its existence,
Did they imagine that the growing
144!iseleetdiebIthatsithYe. free trade system had failed would be
thvoslbeeeizi
witteVl mean% as these?—(Hear, hear.) He re-
beelle measures the prophecies which were made when
ee:ttl ~ were passed, that wages would rise and
1;7 bee„uulefer halfprice. How had these prophe-
ef,at was ye rifled? lie would just show the House
iTeesterah:tile condition of the labouring classes in
ell‘ttne of e Lincolnshire before and since the
so we weretttwese measures. In those counties the old
gall she'? eive shilling& For a family of five per-
_ team take__
21.4 e _ one of coarse flour to each mouth, at s. d.
alb zd.
• meatyof ••• ... ..• ••• ... 5 5
at 60. ... -- ... 174
... 7 ci

Fr
Total expenses
1,4 trild per week ...
ado a wages, los.
1,. r. 2i ston
egt, at
51d. es at ls. 10d. ... ...
•.• ••• •••
•••
11h • Total expenses per week
.. 5 Ili
,qh;l„t,, , Cr less than the old prices by 1
1 tire labourer's wages were 2s l he •••
til's " I Id. per week. He asserted ess• was worse
N kt'as that all the legisla-
) pio ures of the Government had tended to red
'4
Yta home, uce
b,, t) orent at to give to the foreigner, and to
ikil)4lhia°ats. How could they eat), the farmer to ex-
-4 °ere capital on the land, or to give employment to
e 1 t'e r', with wheat at 455. a quarter?—(Hear, hear.)
re, g:etted
IN„,_ Government had not thought fit to show
)] 4.4.lPath for those suffering classes, who were
4,, y 0,.. y
her leasinced that their distress arose from the free
4 ures which had met with the approbation of
hitkr. illnk's Ministers.
ittkor „-,,,,,1tE he wished to take that opportu-
1' 'a lf -"tnig` . ns to the Noble Lord
tte off Decor two questio
absence of the
4. id,lat the Government, in the .
n the
%,,1,71',+ 4;9 4 the Board of Control. He * had seen i
Bra-
ts
tliVari Nerald a statement to the effect that the
from
teLesett_sed their Customs' duties on imports
h
eioaNeolv if Yhto
„.. r t an almost unlimited amount. He wis d
"'A tph; iltt Was true, and, if so, what were the am-
' the duties had been raised ? He willied

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