The Sun.
London, England, 1836-02-12 00:00:00

SHIPPING INTELLIGNCE.

VESSELS ENTERED IKINVAUDS AT THE CUS-
TOM-HOUSE, FEB. 11.
The Earl of Liverpool, Lomax, from Ostend; Alert,
Hedger, Guernsey; Liberty, Pain, Boulogne; Cater, Mer-
rills, D•jnkirk.

ENTERED OUTWARDS FOR LOADING, FEE. 11.
The Prince of Saxe Coburg, Ladd, for Rotterdam; Mal-
vina, Bucket!, Pernambuco; Elizabeth, Gilbert, St. Malo's;
Maria, Callings, Corfu; Mary, Sterry, ditto; Matilda, An-
drews, Demerara; Heroine, Thompson, New Calibar ; Jeune
Garcon, Rogo, Ghent; Westminster, Moore, New York;
Jonge Johanna, Dillwyn, Antwerp; Sir E. Banks, Norwood,
Hamburgb ; Harlequin, Corbin, Rotterdam.

CLEARED OUTWARDS WITH CARGO, FEB. 11.
The Eveline, Gangeisin, fr.,r Sidney ; Pabalm, Lang, Balti-
more; Williams, Menknian, Antwerp; Miranda, Lowell,
Antigua; Mary, Stewart, Guernsey ; Secret, Gale, Madeira.
CLEARED OUTWARDS IN BALLAST, FEB. 11.
The Loblinstrrim, Talk, for Copenhagen ; Scotsman, Binny,
Antigua.

ARRIVED AT LIVERPOOL, FEB. 10.
Mace n, Osborne, from Savannah ; Lamlash, St. Michael's ;
RermUie, Williams, New York.
ENTERED FOR LOADING, FEB. 10.
The Imogen, Riley, for China ; Aberfoil, Dowling, Deme-
rara ; Hunter, Sterry, Messina and Palermo ; Eli Whitney,
Harding, jun., New York ; Jean Van Eyck, Carnelisse,
Ostend.

CLEARED OUTWARDS, FEB. 10.
The Severest, Ditchin, for Leghorn ; Beverly, Tait, St.
John's, New Brunswick ; Amelia, Overhand, Rotterdam ;
Belgrave, Williams, Wilmington; John Troughton, Flem-
ming, Charleston; Labina, Toss, Lisbon.

The following is an extract from a letter addressed
by Colonel Evans to his constituents, received in town on Fri-
day :—" You may rely on it, I am most anxious to return to
resume the duties of the distinguished and most highly prized
office which you and my other friends in Westminster raised
me to, although those great interests which you all approve of
my supporting, will not permit me to do so for some little time
longer."

JARVEYS DONE.—One day last week,
a fellow got into a cabriolet in the Rue Taranne, in Paris, and
drove .to the Rue Neuve des Petits Champs, where he got out,
at the entrance of the Passage Colbert. In a few moments he
returned hastily, and begged the cab driver to lend a five franc
piece, as he was going to hire a domino, and could not get it
without depositing forty francs. The Jehu forked out the
blunt, and the masquerader disappeared—he traversed the
passage, turned down the Rue St. Augustin, and took another
cab on the Place de la Bourse, ordering the driver to take him
to the Passage Vivienne. When he got there he played the
same game over again, and a second time he disappeared.
About one o'clock in the morning, the two cabmen, who knew
each other, met in the Rue Vivienne, still on the look out for
the borrower—and then mutually recognised how completely
they had been done. We fancy, if an English cabman or jar-
vey were similarly appealed to, what the answer would be—
" I wish you may get it l" Could not the phrase be translated
and sent over to Paris, for the edification of the Knights of the
Whip.

ATROCIOUS CRUELTY.--,A brute in human form
' committed an act of the most horribloo cruelty on Saturday
last, on his defenceless wife, who (which adds to his guilt)
is now far advanced in pregnancy. The name of the un-
manly wretch is Marsden, a table-knife grinder, who lives on
Brampton Moor, but usually works at Sheffield ; on his re-
turn from that place to his home, to spend the Sabbath, he
became actuated, as is supposed, by unfounded jealousy, and
he had the brutality to set a ferocious dog, which he bad
brought with him, at bis wife. The savage beast fastened on
her chin, but she beat him down ; being again urged on, he
fastened on her lip, the brutal husband holding her, while the
dog worried and mangled her in the most shocking manner,
The poor creature ran out on the road with the dog actually
banging to her arm by his teeth, and she was at length re-
leased by the interference of the neighbours, but not before
she had been dreadfully bitten in various parts of her body ;
her hands were bitten through in several places, and she now
lies in a most dangerous state. Her precious husband de-
camped on Monday morning, awl has not since been heard
of. —Derbyshire Courier.

DEATH FROM STARVATION.—On Sunday ldst,
James Gibson, of Kirkby Lonsdale, but formerly a tea-dealer
in Kendal, was round dead on the west side of the road, near
Barkin House, between this town and the former place. The
deceased, it appeared, had been seen near Hutton Bridge-end
on his road to Kirkby Lonsdale, about eight o'clock the pre-
ceding night, at which time he seemed not to be sober ; indeed,
he fell on his back when about 100 yards from Hutton Bridge-
end. From that time until, he was di.q.covered by Mr. Hutton
Lupton, of Barbon, no one seems to hive observed him : he was
quite dead when found, and no footsteps were discernable in the
wow near the body. Hee bat'. on his person at the time a loaf
of bread, some muffins, 10s, 6d. in silver, and 41d. in copper.
Deceased was "lying on 'his right side when found, near the
ditch, with his. heatA towards Kendal, and his feet towards
Kirkby Lonsdale„ 'An inquest was held on the body, on Mon-
day last, before.,/:‘ichard Wilson, •Esq., and a respectable jury,
who, after ':itYc investigation, came to the conclusion that the
unfortutratr.; deceased had perished on Sunday night, through
fatigue 4and starvation. —Kendal Mercury. [ls the verdict
recone;:teable with the fact stated above, namely, Ott "he
had tin his person bread, Szc., &e."]

LOVE, &c.—On Saturday night, about half-past
twelve o'clock, as the prAice constable Jones, D 147, was on
duty in the inner circle of,,the Regent's •Park, he thought he
heard the voice of some person on the other side of the enclo-
sure. He immediztely got ovtr the palings, and had only
walked a short distance wlin he discovered some male wear-
ing apparel lying on the ground; and a few
_yards from the
shore, in the ornate.'ental water, a young man standing breast
deep, and calling upon " God to forgive him for the sin he
was Shout tu.'commit." The constable spoke to him, asking
biu whaVee was about to do, when he coolly replied, " to
dr°after_ 'Myself:" The constable expostulated with him, and
111,1 a, great deal of persuasion he came out of the water, and
ng dressed himself was conveyed to the Marylebone Infir-
tnary, where he was ordered to bed, and he has since remained
there in a very weak state. His name is Thomas Hutchins ;
be is about eighteen years of age, and has for some time past
lived as pot-boy at the Buffalo's Head, New-road, which house
be left on the night in question, at twelve o'clock, to repair to
his lodgings in Star-street, Lisson-grove. He has subse-
quently stated as his reason for such strange conduct, that he
felt very much distressed in consequence of his mother having
lately married a second husband, and that circumstances, cou-
pled with his being slighted by a girl whom he dearly loved,
bad made him come to the determination of putting an end to
his;existeace,

IMPERIAL P
HOUSE OF COMA

The SPEAKER took the Chair
NEW M
Captain DEANS DUNDAS, tl
was introduced by Mr. ANoER!
his scat. The Hon, and 0.11
on coming to the table.

BRIGHTON
Lord GEORGE, 14tNNO
the Standin,,t, 13Mers Commit
Railway 13111. TIK;y reported
been eom;;;ied with.

PRINTING OF BILLS AN.
Mr. BERNAL, after present
Bills, said that he understood gl
in consequence of a. resolution •
pointed on the motion of the h
which only a certain number a
and Members Were only entitlei
whatever might be the suhlect
imperative, and no Member co
Tidese Members who might bf
constituents, to furnish them
them to be very mach Intereste
individual copy, and to send it

were the circumstances of the
comment.---(Elear, hear.) E

notice should be taken of t'

should be done to remedy th

sure, neither the Hon. MembL.
Members of the Committee could have anticipated.--( Hear.)
Sir E. KNATCHBULL entirely agreed with what had
fallen from the Hon. Member, who had very properly intro-
duced this subject to the notice of the House.
The SPEAKER had stated, the other day, that when
he had the honour to be chosen to fill the situation he did,
he had hoped that a Committee would be appointed to assist
him in these matters ; and, indf'd, he thought he was only
acting respectfully towards the House In waiting for the as-
sistance of such Conamittee, lie had, consequently, during
the last Sessin, abstained from making any order respecting
the prirl*:mg and distributing of bills. The only step which
he I:,ad taken was to havellie papers sold at the cheapest rate
possible.—( So we understood the Right Hon. Gentleman,
who was very inaudible.)
Mr. BARING said that undoubtedly there was some diffi-
culty in the case. Formerly certain offices had a certain
quantity of copies of all papers, on which they made a profit,
and it was by this means that the public obtained these papers.
This had been cut away during the last session, and at pre-
sent the public had no power to obtain these papers. It was
recommended, last Session, that these papers should be
sold, in consequence of which the Speaker had given directions
that they should be sold at a very kw rate--indeed at
an extremely low rate. The House must understand
this, that either there must be a sale of these papers, or, to a
cfretain degree, they must allow Members as many copies as
they liked. They must decide between these two points. His
own impression was, that if the papers were sold at an ex-
tremely low rate, it would be a very fair means of furnishing
the public.
Mr. EWART could not acquiesce in the opinion of the
Hon. Gentleman. He did not think that in all instances
persons ought to be put to the expense of purchasing these
papers.—( Hear, hear.) He knew two cases in which applica-
tion was made to him for papers—one was from a Society of
schoolmasters and teachers, who were desirous of possessing
all Parliamentary papers relating to education. He thought that
if any literary society, who could not afford to pay for such
papers applied for them, they ought to pet them without expense.
In the case of Bills, the papers should be had, because other-
wise their constituents would not have an opportunity of know-

ing what was doing in that House.
Mr. SHAW felt the inconvenience of the rule as it at pre-
sent stood ; and, but for the kindness of the Speaker, he
should be (yesterday) much at a loss for certain papers, which
he required. He submitted that there should be a great faci-
lity to the public in getting Parliamentary papers, and the
subordinate officers of the House should not have the
power of selling them. No Member, he thought, would ob-
ject to give in such a case a discretion to the Speaker of letting
Members have the documents they wanted.•
Mr. HUME was not in the House when the di.!-

certain agreement or treaty had been entere.
Daniel O'Connell and Alexander Raphael, by which the
said Daniel O'Connell covenanted and agreed to procure
the return of the said Alexander Raphael for the
County of Carlow, in consideration of two sums of
1,0001. each ; that that as was represented as a
safe speculation and carried into effect by both parties ;
that the first sum of 1,000/. was so paid, and that previous
to the election for Carlow, a.certain paper or address signed
" Daniel O'Connell" was put into circulation in the county
recommending to the electors the said Alexander Raphael,
who was hitherto a perfect stranger ; that after the election,
the second sum of 1,0001. was so paid as agreed upon to John
O'Connell, acting under and by the desire of his father; that a
petition had been presented complaining of the return; and that
previous to the ballot for a Committee the said second sum of
1,0001. was paid to, and received by, said John O'Connell ; that
after such receipt, said Daniel O'Connell, and John O'Con-
nell, attended the striking of the ballot, and Mr. O'Connell
having answered to his name, was suffered to remain on the
Committee, and was sworn at the table well and truly to try
the merits of the petition according to the evidence. The
petitioners submitted that such conduct was in violation of
their rights as electors, and of the privileges of that House.
Having now discharged his duty to his constituents, he should
abstain from making any remarks, being sure that none were
necessary in a case characterised by such monstrous proceed-
ings--( Hear, hear, from the Opposition)—but would leave the
matter altogether in the hands of the House.
The Petition was then read by the Clerk.
Mr. HARDY then rose to present the Petition he had been
entrusted with, but was interrupted by
Mr. O'CONNELL, who said—Sir, I interfere between the
two petitions. The reason of my interfering will at once be
obvious to the House. In the first place, Lhope there is not a
single man in the House who differs from me in opinion that
there are grounds of inquiry, and grounds for a Committee,
laid in that petition.—( Hear, hear.) It is my opinion there
are.--( Hear, hear.) I have always voted for an inquiry, if
there have been Parliamentary grounds stated for that in-
quiry, whether the case has been my own, or that of any
body else ; and when grounds are stated, I always will vote for
an inquiry.—( Loud cheers.) On the, present occasion,
as far as I am concerned myself, I shall not complain
of the unusual I will not call it a monstrous proceed-
ing—(Cries of " Hear, hear")—but the unusual proceeding,
that such a petition should be in the hands of any Member
without giving a copy of it, or an intimation of its contents.
For myself I scorn to complain, but I appeal to every man of
good feeling—l.appeal to every father in this House—whether
it was right to introduce the name of Mr. John O'Connell?—
(Cries of " Yes.") I don't say introducing his name, but
without giving him notice ?—( Hear.) How could the Hon.
Member—is he a father I—how could he think of bringing
forward an allegation against the integrity, upon oath, of Mr.
John O'Connell, without giving him an intimation of

the charge ?—( Loud cries Of 4- Hear," and cheering. )--
Party spirit is bad, but it is infernal when it tears
up by the roots every kindly, and generous, and ho-
nourable feeling of our nature, and indulges in an
imputation of what ? Perjury And against, before God, as
pure a creature as ever breathed—the Member for Youghall.
If the Hon. and Gallant Member had in his composition
any thing of humanity—if he were not the person whose
desolated villages-4 Tremendous cheering, which lasted for
some time, and drowned what the Hon. Member said)—
if he - were not the person against whose tyranny the
widowed mother raised the voice of complaint—( Renewed
cheering)—if he were not of such a nature, he would not
have made this attack without giving notice to the Member
for Youghal, in order that he might throw back into the foul
den the calumny.—(Loud cries of " Order," and great
cheering—the cries of " Order" from the Opposition were
so loud that Mr. O'Connell was compelled to sit down.)
The SPEAKER—I am sure that the Hon. and Learned
Member will moderate the expression he has used.
Mr. O'CONNELL—Sir, I was carried away by my feel-
ings, but of course lat once submit to the Chair. But
I might have been excused—l spoke of the petitioners.
I said that I cast back to their den—( Loud cries of Ob, and
tremendous heering.) I was understood otherwise it seems
—( Cries of oh, oh, and still louder cheering, in the
midst of which some Member near Mr. O'Connell--we believe
it was Mr. H. Grattan—cried out, " The Orangemen.")
Are there no Orangemen there?—(Pointing. towards the
Opposition. Loud cheers.) I admit that I have been carried
away ; but I do not think that in appealing on his behalf to
the House, for whom alone I appeal, that any man would con-
demn me of any great error in being a little more violent than I
should be on any other subject.—( Cheers.) But I will go on.
It i 3 on behalf of the Member for Youghall thus assailed, that
I appeal. In the first place, was it not perfectly well known
that I addressed the electors of Carlow on behalf of Raphael
and Vigors? Was it not perfectly well known to the peti-
tioners when they choose to have on the Committee John
O'Connell—did they not know with the fullest knowledge that
I was a strong partizan of Vigors and Raphael?—(Loud
cheers.) Had they not a perfect knowledge of this
and yet they leave John O'Connell on the Committee ? Oh 1
they understand Committees. They bad a perfect knowledge
that they were secure of their Committee.—( Tremendous
cheering.) I appeal to any Member of that Committee to
get up and say whether John O'Connell did not, upon
that Committee, as conscientiously and fairly exercise
his duty as any other Member ?—( Hear, hear, hear.)
Why do I say this ? Because the Chairman of the Committee
had borne testimony to the conduct of Mr. John O'Connell,
and recommended it as worthy of imitation; and what,
after all, is the charge against him ? Why this—that
he was the messenger of his father ?—( Cries of " Hear.)
But I know the object and motive of these proceedings. It
afforded a fruitful theme for your Tory newspapers; for am
I not the stock in trade of nine-tenths of you ?—( Cheers
and laughter.) But lam consoled for all these attacks
by my consciousness of my son's integrity, and I bless my
God that a mother never had a more dutiful or respectful
child than he who is the subject of your accusation.—
( Laughter and cheers.) Yes, you endeavoured to plant a
dagger in my heart—you endeavoured to stake the reputation
of my child ; but your attacks will recoil upon yourselves, and
the character of my son will come pure and unsullied-through
the_ordeal.--( Loud cheers.) _

Colonel BRUEN thought it unnecessary to give the Hon.
and Learned MeMber referred to in the petition any other
notice, except the notification he had given of his intention
to present that petition. With. respect to his charge against
him of having depopulated villages, he could only say that it
was just as true as the generality of his accusations.—(Loud
cheers from the Tory Benches.) With respect to his
character as a landlord, he was happy to say
he was not ashamed to compare it with that of

the Honourable and Learned Member for Dublin, or

with any other landlord in that House.—( Hear.) If the
freeholders had bten permitted to exercise their franchise in
conformity with their own wishes, a large majority of the
country would have borne testimony to the estimation in which
that character was held, and many of the freeholders who
voted for them did so at the risk of their lives.—( Hear. )
The gentlemen of England were totally ignorant of the cir-
cumstances connected with it.

Mr. J. O'CONNELL was totally unable to speak at pre-
sent upon one matter, as he was unable to command him-
self in alluding to the Hon. Member who had spoken last
but one.—( Hear.) There were private relations between that
Hon. Member and himself, to which he should not refer, but
he would address himself at once to the matter in debate.
He felt that the present attack had been made upon him for
the purpose of injuring that Hon. and Learned Member, but
he (Mr..J. 01C. ) courted inquiry also, and was most anxious
for it.—( Loud cheers.) The Hon. Member who had spoken
last had defied matters to be proved against him; but let an
inquiry take place into the conduct of both parties, and let the
public judge between them.-.--(Cheers.) He would not intrude
further upon the House, as he did not know what otbor
infernal machine might be in store for him, but he shoUld be
ready to answer either there or—(iA pause). He sheeja be
ready to answer anything that mig t be brought against him.
—(Cheering.)
Mr. HARDY had also a petition to present from Bath,
signed by the inhabitants, who wore friends to purity of clic-
tion, and the enemies of corruption.—( Laughter.) He shOuld
rather not read the
petition himself, but leave it with the Clerk
to do so. With respect to the charge of big not having presented
the petition to the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, he
would only say, that on the very day the petition had been de-
livered to him he had seen rt printed copy dent from Bath in the
hands of a friend of the Hon. and Learned Member, and he
considered that that rendered his presenting a copy totally un-
necessary.—(Hear, hear.) If he had been guilty of any
want of courtesy, he could assure the Hon. and Learned
Member that he was sorry for it, but he did not
intend that such should be the case. He thought it least of all
necessary to present a copy to the son of the Hon. and Learned
Member. He ( Mr. Hardy) attached no blame whatever to
that Hon. Member. He (Mr. Hardy) wag a father himself.
—( Oh, oh i and Cheers from the Opposition sic;:. ) He did
not look on the conduct of that young Gentima,: to be
otherwise than under the influence of his father.--(Cheerb,
whenShameaag Ifin
obedience to
aannydtheinrgieswroofn‘g‘Member had done
to the directions of
his father, he (Mr. Hardy) could impute no blame to him.
He should, therefore, content himself with presenting the
petition: It should be read by the Clerk of the Table, and the

I`*I3R(.7ARY 12, 1834 .

right receive it as they thought proper-4 Chee.rs
opposition.) All he would ask of the House was,
or not it was a fit subject for enquiry ?
'OLIN la! f,'; Z 11,1,14 requested the Hon. Member to
L
prayer. of the pe ,
ANDY Said that the Prayer of the petition 11
0_
itAeit tit flpfMti ould be fully and fairly carried into
Tremendous ULC belie,.ied the petition
'm the Committee of tic supporter Min; Member
, . Th9_,pkition Itirther prayed that enquiry shottld
ho
into loaf f.',-A&;.,;ir-o+6 At tl>e election for Carlow—
unpublished letters should 1;45 tO
,—and that such measures should be takeli .46 44,4v1el
'e in future of a proper Parliamentary election.___,
from Mr. O'Connell.) If he bad committed any of-
:he Hon. Member for Dublin, in not having given him
his intention to present the petition, he was sorry for it ;
was no man better able to grasp at the substance of
rid defend himself from any charge brought against him.
1. Gentleman then brought up the petition, which was
inhabitants •of Bath, complaining of the course
at the late Carlow Election, and praying for inquiry.
tetition having been read at length by the Clerk at

tel GORE L ANGT ON addressed the llouse, but
a tone of voice, that it was alnioSt Impossible
.to
,c import of his observations. We understood Inir,
:ess his regret that any portion of the inhabitants
(—a city so respectable—could be so far deluded as to
ailed upon to sign the petition.—(llear, hear.) He
,ever hesitate, from any difference in political senti-
present any petition to that House.
ROEBUCK felt called upon to say something res-
pecting the petition, and first with regard to the asser-
tion made on the other side—that it emanated from
his (Mr. Roebuck's) supporters. He repudiated such an
assertion. It came from those who, under the guise of
liberality, and assuming the name of a Liberal Association,
had propagated the most deadly Tory principles, well know-
ing that if they adopted a name more suited to the object of
their Association they would utterly fail of success. They
were the same body who, well knowing him to be 100 miles
distant, had endeavoured to do him a great injury, and they
were those who had actually canvassed the Members of
that House, on a matter purely private, under the name
of a liberal Association, while every man in Bath well knew
they were the most rabid Tories in the Kingdom.--( Cheers. )
They were the same persons who wrote to his Hon. Friend as
had been stated by him, requesting his support ; but when he
saw the name at the foot of the letter, lie thought it was a
Tory one, though at the top it professed to come from a
body of a different description.—( Hear, hear, hear.)
But his Honourable Friend had not known the changes
which had taken place in the political circles, and he
seemed to be unaware of the fact, that those who professed
Radicalism to-day, might be found at the next sitting on the
Tory benches—(Cheers)—or that those who were Tories in one
week might rapidly come over to the ministerial side of the House.
This was the truth as regarded this petition. There was one
name attached to the petition which, by the writing, he very
much believed to be a forgery. He would ascertain whether
it was or not by the next post—(hear, hear)—and he would
pledge himself to state whether he was mistaken or not. But
it do so happen that this very person, not three days
ago, wrote a letter to him (Mr. R.), enclosing a
scurrilous attack against himself—( Hear, hear, hear)—on
the part of that Association, disclaiming it wholly, and using
very strong terms against that Association.—(Loud cheers.)
He felt therefore bound to say, that he believed that name to
be a forgery ; and he knew that this petition emanated from the
Tories of Bath.—( Loud cheers.)
Mr. O'CONNELL rose. I have but one word to say in
answer to the Member for Bradford. That Hon. Mem-
ber, by way of excuse for not letting me have a copy
of this petition, seems to insinuate that he did it to
spare my feelings.--( Hear, hear.) Well, now, this is the
oddest way of sparing a man's feelings that I ever heard of.—
(Loud cheers and laughter.) The Hon. Gentleman will not
hurt me by showing me this petition in private, which at the
moment he intended to show to the whole British Empire.
This is the tenderness of the butcher to the calf ; he would
not show him the knife for the world—(tremendous cheering
and great laughter)—as if some exceedingly good-natured
friend would not be sure to furnish me with a copy. The
Hon. Gentleman may be a good-natured friend of this sort,
but I can assure the House that I heard nothing of this petition
from Bath, except that the Member for Ipswich showed me a
letter which contained no particulars, and the only part of
which that related to this petition was this sentence—" that
he who had been always an enemy to corruption ought not to
allow any man to put money into his own pocket by means of
Parliamentary influence." Why, the only answer that
any man could give to this would be in the net ative.
But I ask the Hon. Member for Bradford what he means- to
insinuate against the Member for Youghall, when he
says that he acted under my directions ? (Tremen-
dous cheering from the Ministerial side.) This seems to have
been said as an excuse for the conduct of that Gentleman.

I want to know—and I hope the Member for Youghall will
take my advice—which, as far as I can make it strong, I
would do so, all his life, command has been unnecessary—
I hope be will take my advice, and leave this matter entirely
between the Member for Bradford and myself. There is no
part of his conduct for which I conceive any apology necessary.
I deny that there is any apology necessary for my son. He
was bound to attend here. Everybody knew that he was my
son. There must have been eleven persons more unfavour-
able than him to the petitioners, or they left him on
to parade him.—( Hear and cheers.) In either case what
was there in his conduct that requires an apology ? If no
attack can be made upon him openly, let him not be covertly
insinuated against. ( Cheers.) I can tell the Hon.
Member for Bradford that the character of the Hon. Member
for Toughal is stainless as the driven snow, and ever will re-
main so ; and when I tell him that, I defy him to attach any
thing to that Hon. Member. I ask for a Committee, and let
the charge be there stated—let there be no affectation of an
apology for what requires none. Having made that inquiry,
as I do not intend to speak again, I would suggest that both
these petitions be printed, and placed in the hands of every
Hon. Member.—(Hear.) This is a question of privilege.—
( Cheers.) lam not wanting to throw the inquiry back.
I wish that it should be full, and that the absurd notion
which every man must know to be false, may be done away,
that one single farthing, or a thousandth part of a farthing,
of that money remained in my hands—( Hear)—or that I had
the slightest pecuniary interest in the transaction.—( Hear. )
Let there be a fair Committee.—( Loud cheers.) I have been
battling against packed juries all my life, and I shall not now
submit to anything but a fair and impartial tribunal. Let
the Hon. Member then give notice of the day for
taking the petitions into considefation—let myself and
the Hon. Member for Youghal then be heard in our defence,
for I shall give no answer to the charge at present.—( Cheers.)
I throw myself on the good feeling of the House. But
with respect to the Hon. Member for Youghal, all I want to
know from the Honourable Member for Bradford is, what
act of his life requires any apology ?---(Loud cheers.) If the
Hon. Member will take that course let the Hon. Member for
Youghall be heard, and if his conduct has been honourable let it
he distinctly admitted by the House.—( Hear.) If that be so
what I propose is that the petitions be printed, and the
day after they are in the hands of Honourable Members,
let the Honourable' Member for Bradford move for his
Committee, and I shall support it. There is a Parliamen-
tary ground laid for this inquiry, and let me but
he enabled to make whatever statement I think proper in reply,
and I shall be able to satisfy the House of the falsity of this
calumny, which, by the by, is not believed by many people
in England.—( Hear, hear, hear.) I heard it from 600
men last night, with one simultaneous voice—they expressed
their disbelief of the calumny. I am, Sir, a Radical Reformer.
I avow it here, a thorough radical Reformer, and I defy
any man to show a single act of my life inconsistent with
the principles I have ever advocated, or one single
act in violation of the principle of purity of election.—
( Hear, and cries of Oh from the Opposition.) Let those
who have given twenty pounds a head for votes, accuse me of
violating the purity of election. All I ask for is a fair trial—
an open, honest, and impartial inquiry. I don't shrink from
it.—( Hear, hear.) But here, in the face of this
House I now demand it.—( Loud cheers.) It is stated that
I attended the ballot when the Committee on the Carlow
Election was struck ; but I was not in the House on that occa-
sion, and even if I was, on my name being called,
I would answer " petition against.' —( Hear, hear.) Let
Tuesday next be appointed for bringing forward the charge
against me. Let the statement of the Hon. Member be
heard, and let me be heard in my defence. I will then
state my views as to how this inquiry ought to be
conducted.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") I will state my
objections, if objections I have, to the course that may be pro-
posed, and if there should be found the slightest stain on my
character, I am ready to submit to the consequences.—
( Loud cheers.) But, Sir, I feel that no imputations can
be thrown on my character, and I shall stand unim-
peached both in point of fact and feeling.—( Loud cheers.)
Mr. J. O'CONN EL L rose amid much cheering. He
begged to be allowed to make his own defence, for he required
no person to make any defence for him. He had sufficient
sense to know what he was sent about, and when he was
sent with the papers, he felt that he was dein.- that to which
no blame attached. If there'was any blame, he claimed his
full share of Cheers.)
Mr. HARDY said that when he made the observations
he had done upon the Honourable' Member who had just sat
down, he trusted that they would he taken in the spirit in
which they were made.—( Cries of " Oh, oh.") He stated
that he saw nothing to blame in him ; because he might go
to a party and receive the money, not being cognizable of
the circumstance under which it was given.—( Cries of Oh.)
With respect to the present proceedings, he trusted the House
would allow him to state how it was that he happened to be
in the situation he at present was.—( Hear, hear.) He was
a Member of the Bribery and Intimidation Committee last
Session, and having brought forward a Bill for prevention of
bribery, and that Bill having gone through two Committees,
containing a clause against bribery and corruption, and that
clanse having been rejected in consequence of the letters he
had seen between Mr. Raphael and Mr. O'Connell. he was
anxious that that clause should be inserted.—( Hear, hear. )
When he took up the correspondence respecting the
Carlow election, he did not draw the inference from it
that the Honourable Member for Dublin had put any sum of
money into his pocket.--(Loud cries of " Hear.") He did
not impute this to him, although it had been imputed in the
public prints, and also by the person the bargain was made with.
But it is not necessary to constitute trafficing that a man
should put
.money into his pocket. If it appeared that
in the transaction he secured to himself, the return 04'
-tizan, whom he tied down by written statements.
a Pa. • 'rAKER called the Hon. Member to order.
The S t •,--t the petition do lie on the table.
only question was via.. -4 case postpone any observa
Mr. HARDY would in tee, . to show that he
tiuns he had to make. He was only eu,v,

The

iy public
etas influenced by no motive but the discharge of
cc Ly. „ „ . -
Col. P Ai;; .7oth'l9lalineti. of the expressions applied by
the Honourable Alcamo,' ant Path to the inhabitants of
that town. They did not deser W so taunted.
H's wet $c say no more, but that he hoped t'..:l''`e Wvitl4 b"► a
fair itivi fall iminiry, and if it was proved there was blame :tl'v
where, let it rest upon his head who deserved it.--C(!theers.)
Ile agreed with the Hon. Member for Bradford'..that the
Hon. Member for Dublin was responsible for the conduct of
the lion. Member for Youghalh—(Oh, oh.)
Mr. O'CONNELL denied that the conduct of the lion.
Member for Youghall required any protection from him. It
it'tpited no shield of his.
uu!,enel PARRY had been misunderstood. He had meant
to say that the :f,inottrable Member for Youghall's contact
was to bc considered by !self,—( Hear, hear, and cheers.)
The Gallant Member then bowed tn the lion. and Learned
Member for Dublin, who rose and bowed prCoundly in return,
which occasioned great laughter.
Mr. WYNN suggested the adjourment of the. de-
' bate until the petitions had been printed, and in
the bands of Honourable Members. He thought that there
should be as little delay as possible.—( Hear, hear, from Mr.
O'Connell.) lle would fix Monday as the earliest day, unless
that would be inconvenient to the lion. and Learned Member
for Dublin.
The SPEAKER then put the question that the petition be
printed.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought Tuesday would be the
better day.
Mr. HUME also recommended Tuesday. On a question
of so much importance, the delay of four-and-twenty hours
might not be disadvantageous.
Sir GEORGE CLERK observed, that every one must be
anxious that the subject should be taken into consideration on
as early a day as possible.
Mr. O'CONNELL could not acquicse in treating the
charge with the mock solemnity with which some Hon. Mem-
hers scented to disposed to treat it. For himself, he had no
hesitation in slcelaring that he thought ;di
it ridiculous. Out of
the Hence he had Lf,en assailed on the subject in the grossest
spirit of partyi and charges of corruption had been advanced
by men who had been all their lives themselves engaged in
the phittiee of corruptiod. He wished Tuesday to be the day
fixed for the farther proceetthn because two important ques-
tions, in the discussion of which he 7as desirous to take a part,
stood for Monday. He mitred that he Cas disposed to treat
this weighty and mighty matter (at it seemed to he considered
by some lion. Members) with great nonchalance. r: cm what
had fallen from the Hon. Member for Bradford, it seetrid
that he was already acquitted of all pecuniary corruption in
the transaction.—(Cheers, among others from Lord Stanley.)
Ile had had abundant experience of the delicacy of the Noble
Lord's political enmity. All he could say was, that he was
perfectly ready to meet any charge which the Noble Lord
might think proper to prefer against him ; he would not say
to refute it : for refutation would be unnecessary, as no
charge could be adduced having a particle of foundation.
All he requested was, that, in •the old phrase, the House
would suspend its judgment ; that it would hear the lion.
Member for Bradford at any length, as well as all the accu-
sations which, in disparagement of him, the Noble Lord might
be prepared to make against him, however untrue—( Order,
order.)
The SPEAKER said that the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man must be aware that the expression he had used was unpar-

liamentary.
Mr. O'CONNELL answered that if it was unparlia-
mentary, he was ready to retract it. What he had risen
for was to state the reasons which had induced him to wish
that the further proceeding on the subject might be fixed on
Tuesday.
Lord STANLEY said that so far as he was concerned, he
would never shrink from meeting any charge that might be
brought forward against him, either by the Hon. and Learned
Member for Dublin or by-any other person. To him it was a
matter of perfect indifference whether the consideration of the
subject was fixed for Monday or Tuesday, or any other day.
Whatever the Hon. and Learned Gentleman might be pleased
to think of the delicacy of his political hostility, he trusted it
would never lead him into any step discreditable to his own
feelings as a gentleman and man of honour.—( Hear, hear,
hear.) He considered the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's
political character and position to be fraught with danger to the
empire.—( Hear, hear.) Politically he had always been op-
posed to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman ; and it was a great
gratification to him that during Earl Grey's Administration he
had had the opportunity of essentially thwarting some of the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman's political schemes : but poli-
tical could never lead him into personal enmity. He would
never sit on such a committee as that which was about to be
appointed, lest his political feeling might warp his judgment ;
and if he were nominated to that committee he would beg
leave to decline the appointment. He was bound, however,
to say that the Honourable and Learned Gentleman was
in error when, referring to what had fallen from the Hon.
Member for Bradford, he seemed to suppose that if he were
exempted from the charge of pecuniary corruption, he must,
therefore, be exempted from the charge of personal corrup-
tion. That was an accusation which still hung over his head
throughout the country : and it was an accusation which must
be judged of by the House before the country. Whatever
might be the application which the Hon. and Learned Gen-
tleman meant to make of the money which he had received
was another question.: the distinct charge against him was
that he had received money for the purpose of using his poli-
tical influence corruptly. Whether the object was personal
advantage, or was confined to political corruption, the course
which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was charged with
having adopted was equally discreditable to him, and was a
course which it was incumbent on him to explain. He (Lord
Stanley) had not intended to say a word that evening on the
subject.--( Oh, oh.) Upon his word he had not. The Hos.
and Learned Member for Dublin had, however, provoked
him. He (Lord Stanley) denied that the cheer on which the
Hon. and Learned Member had thought proper to animadvert
was of the character which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
ascribed to it. He had pronounced no opinion. But this
he would say, that the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin
was not justified in imagining that an imputation on the cha-
racter of the House, or any of its Members, such as that
which existed in the present case, could be successfully
laughed away. Nothing could demand the serious considera-
tion of Parliament more imperatively than the means of
doing away corruption, especially when it was found
among those who had been foremost in its reprobation. He
(Lord S.) hoped that on this subject he had misunderstood
a Right Hon. Friend of his, who loudly cheered the assertion
of the Right Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, that this
was a charge so utterly ridiculous that the House ought not to
entertain it ; and-that, for that reason, it was a matter of per-
fect indifference what day was fixed for the further proceeding
respecting it. He did not think that the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman would find an agreement with him in his assign-
ment of the term " mock solemnity" to that proceeding, in a
House which had instituted proceedings for corrupt practices
against Liverpool, against Ipswich, against Yarmouth, nay,
even against the alleged corruption at Chatham. But than
those the case was of much graver importance. If a Member
of that House should be found exercising his political influence
to iracure the return for a county of a man of whom he had
himself expressed the lowest and meanest opinion, of a man
utterly unknown in the county, for which influence he was to
receive the sum of 2,0001.—if there was any thing valuable in
the reform which had taken place in this country, it was secur-
ing the purity of elections—and no proceeding which had that
for its object ought to be treated with indifference or charac-
terised as " mock solemnity." He (Lord Stanley) cared
not on what day the further proceeding took place. The
lion. and Learned Gentleman said he preferred Tuesday :
Tuesday let it be. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had
said that he considered it a fit case for reference to a Com-
mittee. That was all for which the Hon. Member for Brad-
ford moved. Yet the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was de-
sirous that an interval of three days should elapse before that
proposition was disposed of. It was not for him (Lord
Stanley) to say how those three days were to be employed.—
( Hear, hear, hear.) He could easily enter into the feelings
which had been expressed by the Hon. Member for Bradford
on this point. Undoubtedly, if sitting in that House, such a
charge had been repeatedly made against him (Lord Stanley),
a charge founded on documents, containing many facts, ad-
mitted on both sides to be so ; and if the issue to be tried
was whether he had used political influence corruptly to pro-
cure the return of a Member to that House, twenty-fours
of the Session should not have elapsed before he had moved far
an investigation of the case. Reverting, however, to the delay
required by the Hon. Member, he would merely observe that he
never quarrelled with a proposition to take time in the conside-
ration of a grave and important subject. He did not, there-
fore, complain of the postponement; but, he repeated, if it
had been his case, rather than a single hour should elapse be-
fore the investigation of the charge, ho would himself have de-
manded the immediate judgment of the House.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that the Noble Lord had—[ Spoke,
spoke II There was fairness ! The Noble Lord had mis-
stated what he had said. He had not said that the Hon. Mem-
ber acquitted him ; he had said that what fell from the Hon.
Member for Bradford proved that the Hon. Gentleman ac-
quitted him of pecuniary corruption. The Noble Lord had
also tovelndesL(orityotahr)a,edfa insteadl
ro opportunityu legitimate
whens e
otthfilat he (lid not know why the appointment
it e
reascauseoMondayorir that
answeringwo fa that
ilrcaetq ul‘,l
)iirrreet. required. Where
ccinaNc(ltitnl
minieni,e,nral eilse)sn%t'
It stated
whichde
hfN:v:ov.abeTsl
had been urged against him, and of repelling insinuations as
unfair as were ever dictated by malevolence, and countenauced
by
not
Therewwtahsatn
saowp
inions wtehree
fNo
uonb
dl Noe
dLionrdi;rse
jsupdcieccel.l
whichpar didparty
When the Noble Lord talked of having thwarted him in his
ge xr
ee
ar ttieorn sa
di
vn Ind,an reeelsahh
at
cooru lad onynlo yt
hsea h
in ry
country
tnr
yo
under n
da
er esvuecrhm ad
sup-
posed unfavourable circumstances. As to the reputation of
the Noble Lord himself in Ireland, he (Mr.' O'Connell) did
not know exactly what it was—whether it was something in the
Noble Lord's matter or in the Noble Lord's manner—whether
he wanted that temper and impartiality which all statesmen
ought to possess—whether
Lord HOWICK spoke to order. He was sure the House
would feel that it was not desirable that this discussion should
go on. He was not, however, surprised that the Hon. and
Learned Member for Dublin should wish to proceed at pre-
sent, for he (Lord Howick) had heard, with the deepest pain
lwl
and regret,
the
the speech of his Noble Friend. Without fol-
example of his Noble Friend, without pronouncing
any strong opinion either on one side of the question or on the
other, he advocated the expediency of putting off the further
discussion to another day. Leaving his mind in a free and
unbiussed condition, he saw the impropriety of continuing this
discussion ; and as the further proceeding seemed to be fixed
for Tuesday, he hoped that, for the
.present, the discussion
might be allowed to drop. He was quite sure that his Noble
Friend, with whose generous feelings he was so well ac-
quainted, must regret having been induced by the warmth of

his feelings, and by the cheers which he had receivect,
enter into any consideration of the subject. He (Lori
Ilowick) would not say a word on either side; but he trail
that the House itould not at present listen to the Hen. an
Learned for Dublin ; and do justice to all parties by post-
ponement.
P.4lr, O'CONNELL said be was in the hands of the Houskei
ti,;( .0)4, to persevere if the House thought lie nuPit
not to do so. Brit fig litsinvations ha;.l been thrown out agaills
him, he thought licshad a tk!ii.t to repel them. Under the 8P"
pearance of fair play, the trairi rnalig.iAnt insinuations;
( Chair, chair 0-1-1 e did not wish to persevere if the
ould siO
H
was not d.!sirous that he should do so.-- (Hear, hear.) Ther
e
was one sentence, however—(Chair, chair!)—He
•
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down.
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itPwEo Ao
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observed thaoeaat
ral
ys this o
r wasoo a
Tqoueessdt
ai oyn.
Hon. and Learned Gentleman would see the propriety of "jab,
either going fully into the details of the case at present, or
tan.. from th altogether.
Mr. CONN em
ELL had no desire to proceed against the
wish of the !louse. d bad
Mr. fl [?,ilk; thought his lion. and Learned rrie cation'
been treated unfairii.- The Noble Lord had by imPlr,est
advanced what appeared to him (Mr. Hume) to be the„feri
d,
unfair
namely c,ll
that hisarge conceivable
o. a
od against
Lea r
kllei
d Friend
i s io n .
wished
ste,
dar Learned
the consideration of the question. The Noble Lo:d said uOO,
not knowing the rules of the House, and not doing .hi A're,
and Learned Friend the Member for Dublin the justice t?,,aj
collect what the Right lion. Member for Montgomery J.t
said, The Right lion. Member for Montgomery said
uirfr
to-morrow would be too early to proceed with the WI:
and suggested that the proper time would be Mond &
lb
(Ilear, hear.) All that could be alleged against his I,e
and Learned Friend the Member for Dublin was, that ad
wished the subject to be brought forward on Tuesday ill Ord
of Monday.—( Hear, hear.) But what did the Noble -1--4..fse
(Stanley) say? " I know not what may be done in the e::,!.bie
of three or four days."—(Great- cheering.) Did the
Lord think that they were all so stupid on that (the Mill
rial) side of the House, as not to understand his insinuatienrieg
(Cheers.) He (Mr. Hume) had no hesitation ire decl3,oo
what he thought the Noble Lord meant to insinuate. rod
Noble Lord intended to imply, that the Hon. and I.ie,atber
Member for Dublin asked for the postponement of the Orin?
consideration of the subject until Tuesday, in order that •,,C
proper means might be used in the interval to prevent just'
being done.—(Cheers, and cries of " No, no.") No I pot
then did the Noble Lord mean by saying that he knots
what might be done in three or four days?—(Cheers.)ioo,
'he Noble Lord did not intend to make such an insinuat.,,
let h;.,-ct state it fairly to the House—(Hear, hear)—otherill;
he (Mr.
..tilume) would tell him that he had made a most Olio
and unparliani."tarY
Lord forgot,attack.—( Cheers.) Besides, the ?1,;.'„,,
Member for himself proposed Tucsday.---C
orbraidrnot choose to remember, that the
,Pl'4'ef
fpt
no.") He certainly had understood the Hon. Member 0,
Bradford to propose that day ; at all events, he
sented to it as soon as it was' named by the Hon.._ l. ,
Learned Member for Dublin. Th.clrefore, in every r
view, the Noble Lord appeared to be ;;.1 fau?t.—( Hear, Haiti
' )
anti
And he thought the House was not actjtig with IMparti
towards his Hon. and Learned Friend, who? it listened to
o
sinuations against him of so abominable a nat:ire, without be
privilegelowing him the of reply.—(Hear, Wheihicial
heard- the Noble Lore( Stanley) say, that during; his ° the
career he had done every thing in his power to .thwart 140
views of the Hon. and ;Learned Member for Dublin, be ere°
Hume) thanked God that the Noble Lord was no long pee
office.—(Cheers.) Much had Ireland to rue the inblesed
which the Noble Lord once exercised there.—( Hear, hi,ief
Hundreds of families in Ireland had to bewail the loss of kl
arising from the Noble Lord's infernal policy.—(Cheerirept
ever any country was treated----( Cries of " Order" opt
the Opposition benches.) He was not aware ;hat he weer,)
of order.--( Cries of '°m
Question" from the sa.e qual'ecia
He was speaking on the subject of the Noble Lord's sAPper,,
and in doing so, he conceived he was perfectly in er`7.0014
(Hear, hear.) In fact, it was scarcely possible that L'et
be more in order than he was at that moment, althougoy
haps, the Hon. Gentlemen opposite might not be very ae,„,7obis
to hear what he had to say.—( Hear, hear.) The ''rbs
Lord (Stanley) now admitted, for the first time that ev;001
had heard him, that he (Lord Stanley) was the indivie,l(
who did every thing in bis power to ruin the influeeileoe
the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, by ineret,teni
the grievances of Ireland.—(Great cheering and laugh that
Some Honourable Gentlemen might flatter themscive:
this was not the case ; but what had a Noble Lord 'I/ .01'
'
other place said ?—that the Honourable and Learned „or
ber for Dublin had more power than any other 1;4/
dual in Ireland. Why ? What had given him that povieio bs
(Cries of " Question.") He did not know why he ictischts
subjected to such interruptions. He was speaking as 01°00
the point as the Noble Lord ( Stanley) opposite, whose Wild
had been received with tumultuous shouts of applause it'
those who were now seeking to put him (Mr. Hume)
If assertions which he maintained to be false were cheery-0o
might, perhaps, be some reason why those which were to be
should not be listened to.—( Hear.) He pronounced it
lot
unfair to prevent his Hon. and Learned Friend the gel,
for Dublin from replying to the assertions and to the in s° 00
tions which the Noble Lord had thrown out.—(Hear.) vice
had stated why he had considered it to be unfair ; and hefdeitt
sure the Noble Lord (Stanley) himself, if he for a 0200
conaidered what he had said, would feel that he had ht.- for
out insinuations against the Hon. and Learned Me had !:).C;
Dublin, were not justified by any thing whieD,ATtrad
curred in the course of the debate.—( He l"'"..,ats'
protested against the injustice which had been done toot Of
his lion. and Learned Friend ; but it was not the first soy
injustice his lion. and Learned Friend had borne—(n
ote oute, of
to
cthoeomfoo heed would
those
nor would it be the last. He would have to bear inalif a
bu
coma with increased power ae jot
tien
might plot or conspire ag
him.—( Hear, hear.) o
eel
Mr. SHEIL said that it was really of little coes,„,e(l„visi
whether the debate should take place on Monday or
next ; the only effect would be that the Noble of
noes'
Member for Lancashire would be under Ole necessity el rfeel'
poning, for a few hours longer, that display of gcnereold
ing—( Cheers)—for which his Noble Friend on the "ir'iair'
Bench had given him so much credit, but of which he the
Shell) could not help observing, that the Noble Friend
Secretary at War (the Member for Lancashire) had,,,g„- eW'j
somewhat peculiar specimen. The Noble Lord the Lade o 0
of War had interposed and stopped the Hon. and `ccle,,c)"
Member for Dublin, who was replying to an assault 111;viai
his character, and insinuations worse than any direct t'esr,,
tion. The Honourable and Learned Member for Dab'e'aeji
tainly was out of order in speaking twice, but he was 'O%;
involved, and the Secretary of War might, perhaps' 3100/
have indulged him in a slight departure from the or erode
rules of the House, in giving expression to those genre
feelings of which his friends on the Treasury Bench vtie,VP
much better competent to judge than those who'd itt.;
merely from his conduct in the House, and who arriffe fo;
somewhat different conclusion—could possibly de. of
Noble Lord the Member for Lancashire, had stated t: tb'
was not for him to conjecture how the interval betwee:oo;
night and Tuesday was to be employed. Generous
tion !--(Loud cheers.) How characteristic of the inst-de
magnanimity of the Noble Lord, who adopted this re°d tit
dealing with a political rival to whom he acknowlede u't trt
he bore no very kindly sentiments.—(Cheers.) Pnt'
Noble Lord deserved not only credit for generous feelier-,
for perfect frankness. He told the House, that he so fercoO:
trusted his own biases and prejudices, that ho would nt)it
sent to serve on the Committee. But, if he be disqusir-ntefft
a judge, what weight ff
ought to be attached to him as a -pre,
and what impression ought his impassioned advocacy tiZ;Of;
duce on the House ? Why did he rise at all ? Could
have waited for a more becoming opportunity, and le
hurried to-night into a premature disclosure of his woof pi
order to correct the Learned Member for Bradford, viii°l OJ,;
dared that he acquitted the Hon. Member for Dahill:l6l-0"
corrupt dealings ?—( Cries of " No, no.") He off_j
would repeat, that the Hon. Member for Bradford wit era
quitted the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin of 04'1,11
rupt pecuniary dealing for his own personal advantage!
was, on the part of the gentlemen to wham the Toriesioie
likes to designate them by a title to which they have all
paired and indisputable title) had committed this great
prise, a most important admission, and the Noble -1-1°,„04
vainly endeavaurcd to do away with the effect of this Pwissr
able acknowledgment on the part of the distinguished, bs`of°
honest leader, to whom this effort to ruin the character ill
political antagonist had been confided. One word mots °
observation of the Noble Lord. He had said that tiOreylli:
his
aMie)motbeerr ofto Lord Grey's
the
GHoovoe.rnmmeemnthewrhofohr .paddobonrf fj
oLioetoi
had : and what was the result as it had affected
and himself ? The consequences of his unfortunate Id, ra
with respect to Ireland were known to all the world
to the Noble Lord himself, he (Mr. Shiel) would only 11:00"
House look there Behold him sitting in direct and es`-t',
tious opposition to his old colleagues, whom he still des'gl(3oo
as his Noble Friends.—( Loud cheers.) Let the House.oo,/
tinned Mr. Sheil)—let the House behold that juxta pose
( Vehement cheering.) Let the House look at the Nobles fr,
let them contemplate, and let him ruminate on that jelroOe
sition—a juxta position, honourable to the Right Hon. 13101;1
the Member for Tamworth—( Hear, hear)—and to the
Lord the Member for Lancashire—the great sustainer fie-,
Reform Bill, which annihilated the party on this (thengto'
sition) side of the House,—l hope not entirely ignsw-
and suicidal.—( Long continued cheering.) ire
The petitions were then ordered to be printed, 811,
motion for the appointment of a Select Committee °
subject was deferred until Tuesday next.
st°
ORANGE LODGES. t•
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that as he had dcferfe
motions which stood for this evening, until to-morrow, ;Oej ow
cipation of the business which had just been posteell Oct
cupying the greater part of the evening, he hoped thfnate
and Learned Member for Kilkenny (Mr. Finn) would Tie) it
severe in the motion relative to Orange-lodges, of vlw
had given notice for to-morrow. staPr
Mr. FINN felt himself bound under all the eiretllll-
to persist in his motion.
Here the subject terminated.
LAW AMENDMENTS. brie
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL obtained leave t? 000;
in the following- Bills to facilitate the enfranchle bell;
of Copyholds -Bill to amend the Law relating to I-,11°"05
by Copy of Court Roll—Bill for abolishing customarf fe'r it
of Descent and for the commutation of Heriots—Bdi %fig 0
amendment of the Law of Escheat, and the Law rel°looo
terms of years to which persons dying intestate and Wooer'
kindred shall be entitled at -Law or in Equity—Bill for van'
taming the Boundaries of Manors and Lands when site'
daries are confused or unknown.
BRITISH FISHERIES. 'lll°
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t a consi •7:h .:- -. These et any length upon the attention of the House while to expre
cats, a r want any presenting the petition with which he was entrusted. He of Bath-
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he ineonvelc • e, which, he was had gone before the public, the petitioners had heard that a ment, to
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