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SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE.

VESSELS ENTERED INWARDS AT THE CUS-
TOM-HOUSE, FEB. 22.

The Earl of Liverpool, Lomax, from Ostend : Sir Edward
Banks, Norwood, Hamburgh ; Brockelbank, Grant, Bou-
logne ; Harlequin, Ling, Rotterdam ; Nledemblick, Gray,
Aredemblick ; Suive, Kuper, Brussels; Earl Clancarty, Wil-
liams, Rotterdam ; Auguste, 'Saville, Gravelines; Florence,
Cundy, Stnyrna; Shannon, Broak, ditto ; John, Bowman,
Hamburgh.

ENTERED OUTWARDS FOR LOADING, FEM. 22.
The Walmer Castle., Pouchier, for Bombay ; Egham,
Turner, Tunis; Dart, Hart, Guernsey ; Liverpool, Hepburn,
Lisbon ; Victor, Pearson, Antigua ; John Bagshaw, Hardy,
Madras; StrP2
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I3roarll.,,rst,Cheape, Cape of Good Hope; Ganges,
Mauritius; Britannia, Strannack, Rotterdam;
Lester, Hayward, Newfoundland ; Jane, William, St.
Thomas's and Nassau ; Cygnet, Rolls, South Australia ;
Oeorgiana, Gibson, Trinidad; Hero, Faillant, Calais.,

CLEARED OUTWARDS WITH CARGO, FEB. 22
The Balelutha, Milroy, for Hamburgh; Bein Venu, Mor.,
rison, Ostend, Bruges, and Ghent; John M'Kellan, M‘Do-
nald, Bombay; Egham, Turner, Turin; Princess Augusta,
Dee, Cantor,.

CLEARED OUTWARDS IN BALLAST, FED. 22.
The Universe, Black, New York; Alida, Guiper, Leer.

ARRIVED AT LIVERPOOL, FEB. 21..
The Hindoo, Drigeoe, from Demerara ; Parkfield, M'Auley,
Bombay; Don Juan, Johnson, Demerara and Cork ; Esk,
Ponsonby, Batavia and Singapore.

TELEGRAPHED.
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tow by a pilot boat, putting b.ack.
The New York packet ship Caledonia, Captain Graham,
which sailed hence for New York on Friday, at noon, with a
f4ir wind from the north-east, has this day put back with loss
of foreyard and jibboom, having come in contact with the May,
frost►, Bombay. The latter vessel has. also returned with loss

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, FEBRELdny 22.
The Loan CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
shortly before Five o'clock.
ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS BILL.
The girl of SHAFTESBURY presented a petition from the
Bolicito7s of Lewes; in Sussex, in favour of the Bill for Conso-
lattice the Ecclesiastical Courts.
Lord ELLEN BO ROUG H rrcsented several petitions f.-em
Olnucester, N‘orcester, Bucks, and other places, to the same

DIStNTERS' lIELIEF BILL.
Lord HOLLAND presented a petition from the Dissenting
Ministers of the Con2regations within twelve miles of London,
in favour of Lord John Russell'§ Bill for the rcligf of Dis-
fcntcrs,

. •
.X6IIideLTORAL DISTRESg.
Lord WYNFORD preSen:ed a petition from Horneastle,
Complaining of Agrieultural DistresS.
thiltEß DUTIES::
hurt ASHBURTON presented al tielition from Nova
Scotia; against arly ditrratlon in the Titriber Ditties: He
wished id from the Noble Lord dppositti whether it »act
intended to make any altvralidik i hoe antics'?
Thc Mai•qiiitt f LANSDOWNE said that it was nig the
totikult;ll of the Government foipropom any &Iteration:
APPOINTMENT 12A618TRATES.

Lord WH A RNCL fPVE deferred his motion on this sub-
feet till to-morrow. The Noble Lord presented a petition
rom Leicester, complaining of agricultural distress. The Noble
Lord said he had another to present on the subject of railways.
There were a great many schemes afloat for those railways,
and many pills had been introduced into the other House.
The prayer of this petition was one in which he could note
concur; it was that all railways should be confined as much
as possible to the present lines of turnpike roads. Although
he did not concur in the prayer of the petition—(Hear,
hear, hear)—he would suggest that it was very desirable
that some means should be taken previous to these bills being
submitted to a second reading, either by a Committee or some
other means, to ascertain which was the best line of road. This
was a matter for the Government alone, and he had heard
with very great pleasure that some measure of this kind was
in contemplation.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thought the sugges-
tion of the Noble Lord a very good one. He knew instances,
and more particularly that of the Stockton and Darlington
Railways, in which, in consequence of more than one rail-
way being allowed to be constructed in nearly parallel lines,
they had all of them been greatly injured.
The Marquis of L ANS DOWNE expressed his entire con-
currence and that of his Majesty's Government in the obser-
vations of the Noble Baron by whom the petition had been
presented. He was most anxious that some concurrent
enquiry should take place as to the merits of the projects which
were brought before Parliament. He (Lord Lansdowne) was
interested, as many other Noble Lords were, in the progress
of even rival railways ; but in a case of such magnitude, in-
volving an outlay little short of forty millions of capital, private
interest should yield to public good. He believed a proposition
was about to emanate from his Majesty's Government in ano-
ther place, to refer these several projects to a Committee—
( Hear, hear)—and he trusted that the labours of that Com-
mittee would be attended with the best results.—(Hear.)
ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS.

Lord ABlldilp;;;nid petitions from Norwich and
some other places against the Ecclesiastical Courts' Consoli-
dation Bill.
The Earl of DEVON presented petitions to the same effect
from Exeter and various other places. He trusted that
the particular clause relative to the total removal of the
power of taking Probate in the counties would be again con-
sidered. _ _ _

The Bishop of LONDON said the point had undergone
considerable discussion before the Commissioners, of whom he
had the honour to be one. But it was decided that the expense
of taking the probate in London would be less than that at pre-
sent incurred by taking it in the country.
Lord ELL ENBOROUG H thought before any deci-
sion was come to, that the subject alluded to in these petitions
should be referred to a Select Committee, more especially as
they embraced the whole of the questions in dispute.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said the question had ex-
cited very great interest throughout the country. The sub-
ject of Probate had been before the Commissioners for a
whole year, and he feared that further inquiry would not be
attended with any beneficial effect.—( Hear.) The result of all
the deliberation that had taken place upon this subject was that
there could be no effectual reform in our Ecclesiastical Courts
if the taking of Probate in the Local Courts remained as it was.
The advantages were more imaginary than real, for the informa-
tion could be obtained as readily from London as from the local
Court, if parties lived in a remote part of a diocese. He had,
however, no objection to any further inquiry if that would be
the means of satisfying the petitioners.
Lord ABINGER explained.
The Bishop of EXETER thought the suggestion of the
petitioners could not be complied with.
Lord DE NMA N was anxious that the Committee should be
at once appointed, in order that the question would be the sooner
put an end to. He believed there might be some arrange-
ment made for an index in the country, without disturbing the
general Probate in London. Some plan might be ar-
ranged to reconcile all differences without interfering
with the principle of the measure.—(Hear.) There never
was a measure which came so highly recommended to their
Lordships as the present. The Noble and Learned Lord on
the Woolsack was, he believed, the third Lord Chancellor
to whom this Bill had been referred. It had been first intro-
duced by a Noble and Learned Lord (Brougham) to whom the
country was much indebted for the many legal improve-
ments which he had brought forward—( Hear, hear, hear)—
that Noble and Learned Lord had introduced it in the House
of Commons in the year 1828, and it bad been since very
frequently discussed.—( Hear, hear.) He believed, of all the
great legal improvements suggested by that Noble and Learned
Lord, none would be found more extensively useful than the
present, and on these grounds he would support the proposi-
tion for a Committee.
After a few words of explanation from Lords WYNFORD
and ABINGER, the Bill was read a second time, and or-
dered to be referred to a Select Committee, which will meet
on Friday for the first time.
The House then adjourned.

the Committee would lay down some points upon which the
Committee was to be governed in affording information to the
House; but it would be of no avail to lay down any rules if the
List Committee were sitting in the mean time.
Colonel SIBTHORP took the liberty of expressing the
gratification he experienced at what he heard fall from tVe
President of the Board of Trade, viz., that Government con-
sidered themselves responsible for the good conduct of the
House, with reference to rail roads. Anxious as lie was to
discharge his duty, he found it impossible to do so from the
regular, or rather irregular, proceedings in the smoking room
that day. No matter what quarter he went to, he found
rail roads brought, in by attorneys' cleiks, —( Hear ) Ile
had that day come down to attend a Committee, relative
to the Shields' Road, and lie believed that a report would
be brought up stating that the standing orders had not been
complied with. He should like to know how it was possible
for any Member, who felt himself interested, to attend to his
' ' • ---e leavirll e' the smoking-room two attornies'
duties. 41S 110h.._ • ' --eather he would con-
clerks stepped up to him, and asked him e . . -
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the that
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belt iPtitt ttJ this railroad, He did not .say either that he would const...
whenotts. went
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this system Were artied on, and netnes were surreptitieusly and
falsely introduced, lie should like to know what guard there
dfoeutil idbehsisaid name nothingln th ;e bduits se
was against moving that the standing orders had not been
complied with.
Right Honourable Gentleman to the second
reading of the Bill, he should more the second reading of the
London and Brighton Railroad, and he tot-Welted the House
would be acting unfairly to individuals, if they postpOned
the consideration of it for eight days. He could not sec what
was the object of delay, beertitee if the Bill were now read a
second time, the committee could not tie fiat) iipten it for ten
days. It was a new mode of proceeding to suggest d
merit of the second reading, whereas sufficient time could be
had for consideration in the interval that must elapse before
the sitting of the Committee. Another reason why he pressed
his motion was, because he understood there were rival
parties, and that would be giving them an opportunity of
objecting after the time ordered by the House for pre-
senting petitions against private Bills, and he was con-
vinced, when the Committee met, that he would be able to
show the superiority of Mr. Stevenson's over every other plan,
Lord SANDON suggested a postponement in all eases
where there were contending parties, and in the one now be-
fore the House it was imperatively called for, there being no
less than seven different lines in contemplation between London
and Brighton. He should support the view of his friend the Mem:
ber for Lancashire for the postponment of the question until it had
been ascertained by a Select Committee what were the advan-
tages resulting to the public from it. The House was not
called upon to decide upon the merits of the Bill, only to sus-
peed its judgment.
Mr. GISBORNE said his Right Hon. Friend opposite
had given notice of his intention to move for the postponement
of all Railway Bills, and as a preliminary to that, he now inti-
mated his wish to have them all referred to a Select Com-
mittee. That course he considered unfair to the parties who
were prepared for the second reading of their Bills on that even=
ing,and who might be inconvenienced by allowing parties to come
in and object before the second reading, although they had
not complied with the standing orders of the House. A delay
was proposed for eight days, without, as he conceived, the
the least necessity. Sufficient time would elapse for consideration
before the Committee, and he hoped the House would not
adopt a,course injurious to the individuals before them. He
certainly would divide the House upon the second reading of
the Bill which he would propose ; and as he intended to sup-
port the Noble Lord, he hoped the friends of the Noble Lord
would remain to support him in return.—(Laughter.)
Sir J. GRAHAM fully concurred in the propriety of the
course reeommended by his Right Hon. Friend the President
of the Board of Trade. When he considered the number of
Railway Bills already before the House, or about to be intro-
duced, and which would require, if they were all carried into
operation, a capital of not less than 45,000,0001., the question
was one of that magnitude, that it was well worthy the atten-
tion of the Government, and demanded the serious considera-
tion of that House.—( Hear.) There was another point also
in which these speculations might be viewed. In all other
great public works submitted for the consideration of_ Parlia-
ment, the standing orders bad been well framed, and carefully
considered; but with regard to Railways, the standing orders
applicable to navigable canals, had been rudely, hastily, and
imperfectly brought to act, and none of them had
been either carefully considered, or well arranged.—
( Hear.) On these grounds, it was a question whether the
whole subject of railways should not be referred to a Com-
mittee composed of experienced Members of that House. He
thought the postponement for eight days a very reasonable sug-
gestion, and he for one should not be sorry if all those now pro-
posed were postponed for an entire Session. An appeal from
the country drunk, to the country sober, might be beneficial to
the interests of all, and he should, therefore, support the pro-
position of a postponement for eight days. It would be pro-
bably most advantageous if the Bills were referred to a Com-
mittee, in order that some additional information might be
furnished previous to their being submitted for a second reading
to that House. He had heard no answer from the Hon. Mem-
ber for Derbyshire to that argument. There could be no
great inconvenience from the delay of a few days, and the im-
portance of the question well merited the attention of the House.
He thought the Government deserved the thanks of the country
for having brought this matter under their consideration. He

HOUSE OF COMMONS, FERRUARY 22.

The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before four o'clock.
Lord WM. BENTINCK, who was introduced by Sir E. Con-
RINGTON and Mr. OSWALD, took the oaths and his seat for
Glasgow, amid much cheering.
The SPEAKER
a petition, complaining of an undue election for the Borough
of Dungarvan.

was favourable to the course that had been recommended by
the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, and he hoped he would
agree with the motion, that the second reading of all these
Bills should be suspended for at least eight days, until the
Report of that Committee bad been received. If that Com-
mittee had discharged their duty efficiently, and of that there
could be no doubt, they would be conferring a very great
benefit on the country.
Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET fully concurred in the
proposition of the Right Hon. President of the Board of Trade
in every case where there were rival railways to go the same
line, but he did not think it desirable that every project for the
formation of a railway, whatever its individual merits might
be, should be put off for a Session.—( Hear, hear,
hear.) He could not help receiving with great suspicion
the suggestion of putting off the second reading of the present
and other Bills. In cases where there was but a single line
to be considered it would be a great hardship upon individuals,
after having complied with the standing orders, if they should
be met with a proposition like this at the last moment. His
Right Hon. Friend said that the parties should be called upon
for additional confirmation, but a delay of six weeks or more
must be the result of such recommendation, the parties not being
prepared for it. It would be a great hardship to the parties if
any delay should take place in the second reading of the Bill
which he (Lord G. Somerset) would presently propose. He
did not mean to say that he would support the proposition of
the Noble Lord opposite, but he should certainly oppose any
amendment to put it off for even a single week.-4 Hear. )
Mr. CLAY was not the advocate or the opponent of any
of the measures that were about to be brought forward ; but he
would say, that on ordinary occasions it was not, in his opi-
nion, wise or just to oppose the second reading of a private
Bill. That House was the best tribunal to elicit the truth
on any such measures, and in all such cases he thought
it would be most just and expedient to refer the matter
to a Committee up stairs.—( Hear, hear.) If the Noble
Lord persisted in his motion, he (Mr. Clay) must divide
against him. He thought the Government deserved much credit
for endeavouring to provide (for that House was proceeding
without compass), some rule or plan by which they would be
able to sift the wheat from the chaff, and separate the good
from the bad. It so happened that in one of the parishes
of that borough, with which he had the honour to
be connected, no less than sixteen of these projects
interfered—he meant the parish of St. Mary, Whitechapel,
and in a single parish within that district no less than
1,284 tenements were scheduled to be taken down.
The public were much interested in these concerns, and their
interest was the first which ought to be considered by that
House, and therefore he thought they should proceed with
great caution. There were forty-five millions said to be sub-
scribed towards these speculations, and it was the duty of the
House to see that so much capital was not so employed as to
give great activity to labour at the first, and then be only so
much abstracted from the profitable capital of the country.
Mr. C. BARCL A Y was favourable to the motion of the
Noble Lord (Lord G. Lennox), that the Bill be read a second
time now, because lie did not think that the object of the
Right Hon. President of the Board of Trade would be pre-
eluded by so doing. He was glad that the Government had
come forward on this question—they had the interests not
only of the public to take care of, but also of the spe-
culators themselves.—( Hear, hear.) lie would suggest to
the Hon. President that it should be an instruction to the
Committee to consider whether it would not be a safe and
salutary plan to require, as a preliminary to the second reading
of these Bills, that 5 per cent. of the estimated expence had
been invested in Exchequer bills, so that the public would
have some sort of security—it could be no hardship upon- good,
and bona fide speculations, but would save the country from those
of the opposite character. He did not suppose the proposed
Committee would go into the estimates and plans—if so, forty
days would not be a long enough term to give them. If the
Committee did their duty without fear or favour, these railways
might become a source of the greatest benefit to the country.
Sir R. PEEL said, when the general question of railways
was before the House on a former occasion, there seemed to be
a very prevalent opinion that the manner in which Committees
were now appointed was not the most satisfactory. That railroads
were most important for the welfare and maintenance of the cons-
mercial prosperity of the country—(Cheers)—was not to be dis-
puted.—( Cheers.) At the same time, it was impossible to
deny that they much interfered with private interests, and it
was impossible to deny that both those parties and the public
bad a right to demand that each project should be considered
on its individual merits. Private interests and the public
had a right to demand that. The Hon. Member for Mid-
dlesex (Mr. Hume) on a former night had suggested that the
House was too much occupied with these private Bills, and had
suggested that some other tribunal should be appointed for
their consideration. To that suggestion ha (Sir R. Peel)
had very great objection. In the last resort no other tribunal
could be called upon to decide upon a line of road between
London and Birmingham, and what private individuals must
sacrifice of their property. On the other hand, he did not
like to be called upon to say whether a particular speculation
was good or not. He did not like to be called upon to vote
on the second reading of a Bill without any knowledge of it—
without evidence or argument—that was very unsatisfactory.
The proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman was that a Com-
mittee be appointed without delay to inquire what course it
was expedient for the House to adopt; now he (Sir R. Peel)
fully concurred with the Right Hon. Gentleman, that it was
most desirable that a Committee should be appointed for this
purpose, and that it should proceed without delay to consider
the subject. To the main principle of the Right Hon. Gent.'s
proposition he was decidedly favourable, and he should accord-
ingly vote far his motion. He (Sir R. Peel), however,

RAILWAYS.
Lord GEO. LENNOX presented a petition from Worsley,
and several other places, in favour of the Brighton Line of
Railway projected by Mr. Stevenson.
Mr. HAWES would take that opportunity of stating that
he had nothing whatever to do with the petition that was pre-
sented on Friday with reference to the Brighton Railway.
Lord SANDON, seeing the President of the Board of
Trade in his place, wished, as there was a variety of rail-road
projects likely to come under the consideration of Parliament
in a very short period, to elicit from him what course it was the
intention of his Majesty's Government to pursue with respect to
different railroads having a common terminus. He wished to
know what were•the intentions of his Majesty's Government on
that subject.
Mr. P. THOMPSON said that it was not his intention,
on the behalf of the Government, to submit to the House
any proposal for favouring any line of railway, or to point
out any rules for the adoption of the House on the sub-
ject. It was, however, his intention, in the course
of the evening, to submit to the House the propriety
of appointing a Select Committee to consider the best means
to be adopted by the House, or by the Committees on Rail-
roads, for giving information to the House with respect to the
various railroads that came before them. He had taken upon
himself to adopt this course in consequence of the conversation
that took place some nights ago._ It then appeared to be
strongly the impression of the House, that it was necessary to
adopt some course with reference to the different schemes com-
ing before them. Many Gentlemen then proposed the adop-
tion of different courses, but no decided opinion in favour of
any particular mode. It therefore seemed to him, and in that
opinion he had been confirmed by the conversations he had had
with the gentlemen who took part in the discussion, that the
better mode would he to have a Committee up stairs. His
proposal, therefore would be, not to refer the railroads to any
particular Committee, nor to point out any course the Com-
mittee should adopt, but simply to obtain the attendance in
Committee of those Gentlemen who take most interest in the
good conducting of Railroad Bills in this House. In a Com-
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misunderstanding had gone abroad, and he was anxiousme
to state what his object was in moving for this Committee, and
to explain that his object was not to refer these rail-roads en-
tirely to the Committee, but simply that the gentlemen com-
posing the Committee should have the means of giving to the
House some recommendation by which their course of pro-
ceeding should be guided, subject to the approbation of the
House. He thought these- were matters in which the House
of Commons must interfere ; it was, therefore, with this view
that he ventured to put his notice on the paper of the
House, as a Member of his Majesty's Government, because he
thought that the Government could not be otherwise than re-
sponsible to a certain degree, for the good conduct of the House
in proceedings of this kind, and perhaps the proposition coming
from him, not suggesting any particular course, but seeking
the advise and assistance of the House, would be favourably
received.—( Hear, hear.) In stating thus much in answer to
his Noble Friend, he thought that if the House was inclined to
adopt the proposition of submitting to them the nomination of
the Committee—he thought it very desirable that the second
readings of all railroads should be postponed for a short period.
—( Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") He should endeavour to
chalk out some rules to be adopted with reference to this sub-
ject, and more particularly to afford the House the means of
judging ultimately on the third reading of the merits of
each scheme. He therefore suggested, if, his proposition
met with the approbation of the House, that those rail-roads
which had been fixed for to-night or to-morrow should be post-
proceedings
otherwise
happen
post-
poned only for eight days.—( Hear, hear.) He did not believe
that any inconvenience could arise from so doing, and he was
sure with reference to the operation of these Committees that
it
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prior to the second reading, but if that had already taken place
this would be impossible. Beyond this it might happen that

thought that the report of the Committee slibetld eiiibtaee
other matters, and that it should be•something mord
mere report. He thought that the Committee should inquire
into the nature of each speculation, the probable grounds of sue,
Cess, the number of share-holders in each, the number of land-
holders on the prOperty through which he_ proposed railways
were to pags,•the probable sum which it would take to pu-chase
the land required, and on what data the calculations
were founded, The House would then have some satisfac-
tory grounds upon Which they could arrive at a proper
coneluslon,-,-( fleet; hear.) The labours of the Committee;
he 'apprehended, would not be of long duration. They
might meet immediately, and enter at dike Upon the en-
quiry, and, in the course of three or foot bays; they
might probably be enabled to present their report. lie (6ir
Peel) understood that there was also a proposition to post-
pone, for three or four days, the second reading of the Bills.
Now, he thought that this would be a great hardship on the
parties, as the delay would subject them to great expense.

Mr. POULETT THOM ''ON made some observations
.acres the table.

Sir PEEL said that be would not then give any opinion
on the general questnni.
The SPEA KE R said the gut:fan before the House was,
that this Bill be now read a ;;;eond time.
Mr, POULETT THOMSON „;recd with the Right
Hon, Bart the Member for Tamwortb, that it was necessary
that the should have the fullest information, at.. that
the Committee should inquire into all the details to whici;
the Right lion, Gentleman alluded. He thought it extremely
desirable that the House should be In possession of this infor-
mation before it sanctioned the Sills by a second reading, and
it wrio ftir this reason he proposed a.postponement for eight days.
If his Vrietifi (lt Member for Derby) stated that expense
would be the consmitlenVii of the course of proceeding he had
proposed, he should not aciViSil be House to adopt it, but
lid 441 not believe that any inconvetthoce would result.—
(Hear, bear.) uls agreed entirely with the irreportance of
these roads, but ltd COneidered in the situation M which
he was placed, it was his duty to look a little to the state of
the country, and see that its property wits not improvidently
squandered. He trusted, therefore, that the House would
consent to the proposition of his Hon. Friend, and that he
should receive its sanction for the course he had thought it his
duty to adopt.
Mr. CIJ RTE IS thought it his duty to support the motion
of the Noble Lord, the Member for Liverpool, upon principle:
With respect to the Brighton Railroad, he did not think be-
cause Mr. Stevenson's line had got the start, that it ought there-
fore to be the one adopted. In' his opinion, the House
ought id decide upon that which was the best mode without
favour or afi'ectlefl, He was however bound to say, that a large
meeting had been held at Srighton, at which it vas decided,
that another line was better for Prighton than the one now
under consideration. He thought the best course was that
which would be shortest, and would be attended with the least
expense, which he understood the present would not : on gene-
ral principles he should support the motion of the Noble Lord
the Member for Liverpool.
Mr. E WART was fully aware that the object of his Right
Hon. Friend was information to the House arid security to the
public—( Cries of " Hear, hear")—but he was much afraid that
the adoption of his proposition for a Committee would not be
attended with the effects lie anticipated. It was true the House
was bound to protect the public, but at the same time it should
be remembered that there ought to be fair competition. He
should support only such a course as would give security to
the public, and to the parties who had vested their property in

the speculation.
Mr. D. W. HARVEY was of opinion that the race was
not always to the swift. He had suggested the propriety of
instituting an inquiry into the various plans of railroads now
in progress. That suggestion was received by some
with ridicule with some it was thought to go too
far—with others, on the contrary, too short—and it was pro-
posed that all railroads should be allowed to take their course.
He believed that great inconvenience and expense would result
to the parties by postponing the determination of the House for
so lotto- a period as eight days. The Right Hon. Gentleman
should,' he thought, be prepared at furthest on Thursday, to
state what was the plan resolved upon by Government, and not,
by any further delay, throw a general gloom around all the in-
terests involved in these speculations. He thought much of
the railroad mania was the result of a crude and ill-consi-
dered speculation, and it would be almost well if all plans of
that nature were postponed for another session, to allow time
for sober reflection.
An HON. MEMBER expressed his wish for the neond reading,
and his desire for enquiry.
Mr. P. M. STEWART concurred in'the view of the Bight

Hon. the President of the Board of Trade.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that what he would propose was,
first, that the second reading should be postponed, and that in
the interval, with respect-to the Bill in question, no petitions
should be received against it ; and secondly, if on this day
se'nnight the House should consent to the second reading,
then that the parties should be allowed to go into Committee
in three days, whereas they could not at present go into Com-
mittee for ten days, and that would place them in exactly the
same situation as they then stood.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. GISBORNE and Lord G. LENNOX made a few observa-
tions, which were inaudible in the gallery, there being loud
cries of " Question, question," and " Divide, divide."
Captain AL SAGER (amid loud cries of " Withdraw,
withdraw," " Divide, divide") said he hoped he might be
allowed to say a few words, as he had had the charge of the
second Bill from London to Brighton. The Noble Lord,
the Member for Sussex, was in error when he said there
was not a single dissentient from Brighton up to Croydon. In
the course of a day or two be should present petitions from
Brighton, Lewei, and Croydon against the Bill. He hoped
it would not be permitted to be read a second time, and he
should vote for the motion of the Vice-President of the Board
of Trade.
Sir J. R. REID thought the better plan would be to post-
pone the consideration of the question for a few days.
The Gallery was then cleared for a division, but in conse-
quence of the new experiment being tried in taking the divi-
sions of the House, the doors of the gallery were not re-
opened after strangers bad been ordered to withdraw for
fifty minutes.
The numbers were as follows :
For the second reading
For the amendment

Majority for the amendment 196
The second reading was consequently postponed for eight
days.
(as we understood) presented a petition from
cerlrarin °paßrt p
parties in favour (we believe) of the Brighton Rail-
way.—(The noise and confusion caused by Hon. Members re-
suming their seats and leaving the House prevented the possi-
bility of catching the exact import of the petition, or hearing
the exact tenor of the Hon. Member's observations.)
Sir J. GRAHAM was understood to object to the reception
of the petition, and to move that it should be first referred to
the Committee on railway petitions, pursuant to the Standing
Orders of the House.

The SPEAKER was understood to suggest the inconve-
nience of receiving petitions previous to the report of the Com-
mittee being laid on the table of the House.

A conversation then ensued on the subject, in which Messrs.
Hutt, Pease, Ingham, Hume, C. Wynn, and other Hon. Mem-
bers took part.

The SPEAKER then put the question—referring the en-
tire matter to the Committee for revision—which was unani-
mously agreed to.
The House was then occupied for a considerable time by
Hon. Members bringing up private Bills, and presenting pe-
titions, none of which were read--the greater part of which
appeared to have relation to rail-roads. We could only catch
the titles of two presented by Mr. O'Connell in favour of the
Drogheda railroad, and of two from Epsom and Ewing in fa-
vour of Stephenson's line of Brighton railroad.
Colonel VERNER gave notice of his intention to call for a
return of all persons in the custody of the Earl of Ossory,
High-Sheriff of the county of Tipperary, under charges of
murder, robbery, violent assaults, appearing in arms, forcibly
seizing arms in dwelling-houses, administering unlawful oaths ;
specifying and distinguishing the number of offenders in each
class—also for a copy of the address lately adopted by a meet-
ing of individuals in that county to his Excellency the Lord-
Lieutenant of Ireland, and his Excellency's answer (if any)
to the same.

An Hon. MEMItER inquired whether it was true, as re-
ported, that the Committee appointed to inquire into the cir-
cumstances of the affair connected with the Carlow election,
and the application of the money alleged to have been paid to
Mr. O'Connel for effecting the return of Mr. Raphael, was to
be conducted with doors closed against the public ?
Mr. M. R. COLBORNE (Chairman of the Committee)
replied that the Hon. Member had been correctly informed.
It was the unanimous opinion of the Committee that the ends
'of justice would be best promoted by excluding strangers and
only admitting Members of Parliament. They had adjourned
to next Monday, in the absence of witnesses, whom they hoped
by that day to have in attendance, when they should at once
proceed with the investigation with the earnest attention which
the case demanded, and the House expected.
Mr. O'CONNELL said,- I have heard with regret the de-
termination of the Carlow Committee to exclude the public,
and it will be my duty to propose that when they meet again
it shall be with open doors.—( Hear. )