The Sun.
London, England, 1831-11-01 00:00:00

good by disabusing the minds of many, it might be,
well-meaning persons, who seemed to believe that
the people were not in earliest in favour of Reform.
—(A laugh.) They well might laugh, but be
could assure them such an absurd proposition had
been broached by many of their pretended
friends, and had been greedily swallowed by
their avowed opponents. It had been said that
the purpose of such combination was to inti-
midate the hereditary wisdom of the State
into compliance with the popular will. No such
thing ; kindness, and riot intimidation, was the
only relation of such alliances of the friends of
popular rights to its veriest enemies.—( Hear, hear.)
He was ready to confess, that when Lord G-ey's
Government was first formed, he entertained some
prejudices against it, for he did not expect from it a
measure of Reform so efficient as that which, to
their honour, they had submitted to Parliament.—
(Cheers.) He was gladly undeceived, arid was con-
fident that Ministers would have gone still further
in the extension of the right of suffrage, if they per-
suaded themselves that by so doing they would have
effected more national good—(Hear)---and he was
confident—and hesitated not to say so—that if they
bad gone further, they would, under the circum-
stances of their accession to power, have been, not
friends, but traitors to the cause of the people.—
(" No, no," and cries of " Hear.") He said yes,—
for though he himself would have gone further, and,
therefore, so far, was not satisfied with their Bill, he
was convinced that it would have been criminal in
them to endanger the principle of Reform altogether
by a too sweeping application of it.—(Hear.)
The resolution having been agreed to unanimously,
Mr. SAVAGE proposed the third resolution—that
relating to the rules and regulations of the Union.
Mr. GOUGH seconded the resolution.

Mr. LOVETT came forward, as a working man, to
propose an amendment to this resolution. He would
first inquire what the middle classes wanted, except
to make them the tools of their purposes.—(The
speaker was interrupted by hisses, and loud cries of
" Off," while a part of the crowd, who appeared to
act in concert with him, clamoured for a hearing.)
There was no use in preaching up the policy of this
or that particular measure. There was no use in
preaching up patience to the starving people of this
country—to talk to them of patience and policy was
only mocking their sufferings. If the middle classes
were really sincere—(Hisses)—they would see that
the working classes were better clothed and fed. If
that were the end of Reform, then they might unite
with them, but they would rather seek policy and
expediency.—(Cries of " No, no," and hisses.) He
would ask, could they be better off while place-
men and pensioners were paid ?—(Great disturb-
ance.) If those who refused him a hearing were
interested in the proceedings of the day, they would
listen to him.—(The clamour and disapprobation
being continued, it was suggested to the speaker
that he should read his amendment.) He should
propose the following amendment—" That the mem-
bers of the National Union should never relax in
their efforts until they obtained for every man of 21
years of age, or capable of bearing arms for the de-
fence of his country, full enfranchisement." If the
middle class wished the working classes to unite
with them, they should recognize this principle.—
(Loud disapprobation, mingled with cries of" Hear,"
" Go on.")

Mr. CLEAVE said that those who wished for the
Bill, the whole Bill, and more than the Bill, would
listen and thus silence their enemies, and those who
wished for disunion would show their disposition by
not hearing the amendment.—(Cries of " It is you
who wish for disunion.") The speaker then read
the amendment a second time, and in reference to
something that had fallen from Mr. Hume (the
Member for Middlesex), who was on the platform,
proceeded to say, Mr Hume asked " for what mis-
chief was he (Mr. Cleave) there ?" He would re-
ply, that he was there for mischief to the Bishops,
and for mischief to the enemies of his country.—
(Shouts of " Off, off, he is one of Hunt's Ro-
tunda gang.")
Sir F. BURDETT thought they would do well to
give tile gentleman a hearing. They should allow
him to introduce his proposition, and afterwards
show the sentiments and feelings they entertained
with regard to it.
Mr. CLEAVE resumed. He would assure them
he had nothing to propose to them—(Laughter)—but
what had already subjected the Hon. Baronet to be
out-voted in the House of Commons; nothing but
that which Sir Francis Burdett and Lord Cochrane
had moved in the House of Commons in 1818,
" that every man of sound mind and mature age
should have a voice in making the laws by which he
was to be governed." If Sir Francis Burdett was
sincere then, he claimed to be considered sincere
now. The question was not now whether they
should have the Bill or no Bill, but should they not
tell friends and enemies that they were at last
roused, and that they should have either Reform or
revolution ?—( Loud uproar, which continued till
the speaker retired.)
Mr. WAKLEY considered it an error in their pro-
ceedings that they should be called upon to agree to
a resolution, pledging them to certain rules before
they knew what those rules were. He conceived
that it would be more satisfactory to the nation and
to theinselves, to appoint a council first to draw up
regulations, 40(1 then to name a day for the con-
sideration of them. fle would move, as an amend-
ment,—" That this meeting hereby forms itself into
a National Political Union, that it shall meet to con-
sider the rules agreed to by the council, and that
half the council shall be chosen from the working
;:14sses," He could see no rational objection to
this amendment.
Mr. S4v4t4h withdrew his amendment, and se-
conded that of Mr. Wakley,
Mr. THELWALL also spoke in support of the
same amendment.

Sir F. BURDETT would say a few words, in re.
ferepee as to what had been stated as to his conduct
in the !lousy of Commons on the question of Re-
form. 4s thgre wept often many roads to one place,
so were there many Ivap qi egecting one purpose.
He understood that the people of 0143 country took
different views of Reform ; and though 11:. was
ing, as heretofore, to go to any extent, still he wac
pf opinion that it was the duty of parties to give up
d,iferetu:. f4i.cies for the accomplishment of a measure
confusedly His Majesty—Ministers—
the. people of P;tiglar4-7-wprp 41 pledged to the Bill,
and 4Amoed it his imperative Uuty rosnpport that
measure, and rizt tp submit to be tried wi;thpr ungr
led by false lights. tit: had qteyored much of ftis
public career to the people, and 114 w.;.s resofred t®
standby them.—(Cheers.) If, however, they swarrea
from their purpose, they would not only be opposed
to stews, but, what was more, to the Birming-
ham Onion; instead of unanimity and success,
dissension and dis,-4..itg,:• would be generated. He
would now propose a rgiiitit;p:, without making
any uncalled for distinction of ciaSses;

Z, r, WAKLEY begged to call the lion. Baronet to
order.---i(;Cries of " Off.") The Chairman was in-
competent to move a 5.•,,e7 resolution.
Sir F. BuRDETT said, that the previous amend-
maw being withdrawn,' he would put the o--igingl
resolution.,--(i,l•vb
.confusion.)
Mr. liusn: wais 6414;0;;S to rectify u misunder-
standing which appeared to ezi:g. The original
motion as well as the amendment being withd.-;wn.
it was proposed to substitute a new motion which
aftei tic yvords " that the present meeting hereby
forms itself int,: ; rational Political Union" added,
" and that the half of iz.cuncil of this Union shall
be composed of members of the wording classes."
That motion was put into the hands of the phaiF
man and was about to be proposed for their accept-
ance or rejection.

Sir y. BERDETT bad alread7 objected to this mo-
tion, but he MIS officially bobod to put it without
further comment.

The resolution was then put, and carried.
Mr. POTTER came forward to propose the fourth
resolution, " That for the purrose of extending
unions as widely as possible it was advisable to as-
sist in the extending of brunch unions, the chairman