The Sun.
London, England, 1809-03-15 00:00:00

CF.NLIt:II. CLAVEkING.

Mr. WY NNE, alter a short conversation with the
Chancellor of the Excheittler,. postponed his motion
tor the further consiJeration of the evidence of Ge.
peral Clavering till Monday next.
DuKti t)t; YORK....

On the Order of the Day, tor resuming the consi
devotion ot the Evidence in the. Inquiry into the con
dud of the Commander in Chief, being read; • •
Mr. WYNNII said, he would have offered: himself:
to the notice of the House last night, after the Hon.
and Learned Gentlemen who closed their proceedings,
had t►e not perceived that they were too much
boosted to attend .to any additional observations. He
would now; however, make a 'few remarks on the
course they were pursuing, and state his opinion ot
.the mode pointed out by the Right Hon. Chancellor
of the &chequer. rafter that Right Hon, Gentle-
man had; instead of meeting the Address on its own
grounds, or by 'the previous question, proposed an
Amendoient, 'he conceived that no other course could
ha►e been taken by the House but the one they
had pursued. Flo could not son any necessity to

come first to' a• decision on the question, whether
corruptioa was prosen eir :not ; * it seemed
,much
more exp'edient nreviously to ascertain their mode
of proceeding. The Right‘ 'Honourable Gentleman
stated, that they. " were bound" to putsue the One.
particular course he had suggested; tint • to make
such art assertion was,•in his mind, to narrow the•
privileges. of.Parliatnent. It was suggested to him
(across the 'table), that the Right 'Sion. Gentleman
Only "tailed" upon the House •to adopt his Motion ;
this made little difference in the principle, and it was
his intention, unless the Houserendered it unneces- '
sary, by coming to a different decision from thatcall,
ed for by the Right Hon. Gentleman, to move. a Naos
lotion, that atter Solemn inquiry into any mules, the
House of Commons,in their decision, were nu; bound
to refer to the practice of any other tribunal. This
was their most valuablepriVilege, and one often fol-
lowed. Here. the Hon. Gentlemah instanced the case
of the Duke. of Lauderdale, in which the Commons
had agreed to an Address, where there was 'good
ground for an impeachment, and contended, that
they might now, without bringing a servam of the
Crown to his trial, come to a resurntion that:lie
ought to be dssmissed front his situation. He would •
put the case as of a 'private individual, end compate
them together.--Might not. a Gentleman, from the
misconduA of his servant, find it expedient to dismiss'
him froth his service, and yet think it unnecessary
to bring him to a public trial ? Thus, in the present
instance, many Gootlemett might'be of opinion, that
as the witnesses were not examined epon oath, there
was no one case suffiCient to convince their minds;
• yet upon the whole there was grave and heavy bus•
picion to think the Duke of York guilty of Autistic
nteanour, on account of which he ought to be tbs..
missed from his office. He disapproved of,golng
through charges, one by one, as had been (toucan the
cases of Mr, Hastings and Lord I.‘lelsaile, as this
mode narrowed the funetions of Pai li:intent, and a
-person 'might be found nut guilty upon each dis-
tind. charge' who must have been found guilty if
the • whole • had been referred. He would' apply
this to the present instance. Carter's aPpointilieat
might he thought improper, and if an impeach-
ment was preferred against the Duke of York in
the, House of Losds, tor this alone their Lordships
would acquit him, and po,fitty_ similar charges sepa-
rately made, it would be impossibie to impeach him,
• though 'upon the whole logetl.ei, and the course of
the pertain charged,. as proved by these concomitant
cases, the determination must be that he had missies
weaned himself. There was a' 'charge which had
been passed over almost without ..notice, and" un-
- • commented upon, which, in his mind, was the
heairest of them all, and supported on •unexceptien-
able testimony. He alluded to that et Kennet, whose
affair, if it had gone on to a conclusion, would have
been as decided a proof of corruption as ever was
known. Kennett, it appeared, on the.eVidence of
Col. Taylor,. first proposed to negotiate a greatloan
for the Duke of York, and in his very second:niter-
view wished to be recommended by hii Royal High-
ness's interest to ti situation inahe West Indies.—
The. Honourable Gentleman :went, at length; into
this case, and maintained that the Duke. of York
lent his countenance to Kennett, not from the
letter of Sir Horace Mann, but because he ..was
' endeavouring to raise money for himself, and that
heafterwarde dropped him, not merely. because ire
discovered him to t,e,a bad ch.o.teter, but because be
found nothing could be expected from him. If
such evidence as this went out to the •world
un-
commented upon, it would be thought that places
were to be got by offlaing: loans ; if so, itadded
strongly,to the suspicion of corruption excited by the
other cases, which, as they had been already so ably
gone through, he would not again repeat. He. could •
not •aered with those Gentlemen who wgre,tor.put..
ting the testimony of Mrs. Clarks) entirelyourot the
question ; but doing soS for the-sake of argument,
he contended,' that enough of evidence remained' to'
satisfy any person to the extent he went, 'Miss Tay-
lor's evidence was admitted by a Right Honourable -
Gentleman to be unsuspected and worthy of credit,
and,he cutisidered it as at least another ground for
grave suspicion. He vindicated the answers of Miss
Taylor to tliequeations put to her respecting her fa-
ther and mother,..and in answer to what was said
by time Solicitor-General last night, maintained, that
the House was averse to nothing but examining her
delicate poon and irrelevant• points, and that the
s
•-aesineia put to. Mr. Nicholls, were not parallel to
er case, as they went directly to impeach his cre-
dibility. Independent of both Mrs. Clarke's and.
Miss Taylor's evidence, the documents:and • letters
on the tante proved, that in six. instances, the Duke-
of
YoSk had allowed Mrs. Clarke to use her iutluence
it) appointments of various. deseriptions. He ex-
cepted Shaw's., as there were applications from other
. quarters, and .also the . exchange between Brooke
and Knight. The fiat case was that of Clavering,
where it appeared, trout this Duke'a own letters,
'that Mrs. Clarke, was pertnitted to interfere even
in the diSposal of a regiment. • The second was
• Twain's, and he was. more surprised to hear the
Right- Hon. dentlenian -apposite (the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) doubt the authenticity of what was
called the. Islysterioui: Note, than he Would have
been at the tieeptieismel, any oilier Member of that .
House, Fur tie recolleeted that Right Hon. Gan-
(lemma in. his professioual capacity as Attoreey-
General, • to held a diamei ritally opposite opinion in
the case of an Judge (Joheaon), where the
only proof of the libel „seated on the comparison of
hand-writing. .1 'Without theanote, however,. the •
case was sufficiently proven. S The third 'point was
'Samuel Carter'a commission, and he would have
been as williog topass over this siert of the subject
es any of the Gentlemen on either side,. had it nut
afforded 'so convincing a proof of the intittence of
Mrs. Clarke, who could prevail on the Commander
in Chief to take a person from behind her chair,
and, getting the better of all `the scruples ,he must
have tint on the occattion,' reflecting how it would be'
received by the army, to bestow a commission upon
him. The excellent condutt of that young' man
- would, he hoped, now prevent him from receiving'
!any injury •;frOto the lowness of his origin, bid let
any Gentleman put it to himself how he would have
Blued
or
rgoil person,
ltigteh i,,jtatkheen
tfroiirreilasai
triage
eotirg behind
sklehatree 'chairs
woman as
Mrs: Clarke,', to :be made a•coinpanioti for his son. •
Dr..o:Mara's was-the fourth foitonee, and if
.one'"
was worse than another, this was • that one. The
Paymastesship to Elderton was rime • fifth elearly
proven; •and the lest was the appointment of Dow-
ler to the Commissariat. 126 ROOS- Gentleman

went into an eXitarination of the evidence in this 14
ter case, and argued, that •it was completely establish-
ed that the appointment was procured through Mts..
Clarke. These being hi 4 opini:ins from the written
documents; his %ote,I.YOUICi be the seine were Mrs..
'Clarke's evidence totally erased froM the 'minutes.
If under such eirermistances his -Royal HiglinAs
was to remain in his situation, Officers would here-
after apply for promotion to whoefer might* be the
.Mrs. Clarke of the day. What wouhd be the con-
'sequence if tliii W 39 for their ,coesideraliOn ; and
-they hattnot only to look to what was past, bu'l
what was to, come, ill their deeision. They must
look at the offers.. or future loans to principals, mini'
the. payment .o't money to favoUrites, .1f they
so, how_ could they agree In the resolution of the
Right Hon. Gentleman (trie Chancellor of theEk-
chequer), to expre,,s their': confidence that no•
thing similar would agaia ()eau." He nild not
bring himself to expre4 such a confidence—it 1.4.0
not i.vatranted by, the Duke of York's.letter,
which
expressed not a gene& regret at having formed such
a ropttv4ipti,• but
.a, regret at having tanned ,a cone
ne&ion'WhiChied to the present rescilt. He did not •
mean to say that there was equal guilt in liessonal
-Corruption, connivance, and nstrong suspicion that
mal-prattices were carrying on, but the elleti.pen
-the army was the same in all these cases. •,1-le most
believe that it. Worrld be far less painful for,:iti oilJcer
to be superseded by one; who purchase ewer him,
than by one whom he knew Obtained his promotion
by llittni,anct paving his court at the le..ce ht a
"mrtezno:. There were' they in his opinion match
more grOtinds to ;oil ee with the motion lot
dismissal. The reports or Mrs. Clarice's influence
were known to &very smal who walked ill th 4
world, to be common And tiotoriou, and there was
only one 'way to do away-the ef&bs of them
Ntid
Of -this Inquiry, the renri.tnunt of his Royal 1-3.igo.
,ness from his. office. He :would he reluctant to
agree with th Address of the Hon.. Gentleman
'who brought 'forWat &this titie..tioo, tx-caus.:, it s,'
hunted more than %e•a ptoetti, natnt-ly, that 1110
Duke of York had n l.no•lvli.-dge of the correPt
praetices. (144 not think 11114 was the c.ise,, btic
that his suipicions must have ben"so-strong.
to render it violin:it, not to investivtL&, the n'ar, r
to discovery: , less could he agree with 7"14.
Amendment of the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Nor was he prepared 'to say that' cOnnivrince' On' •
the port. of hi 3 Royal-
Highnt•si bad ..b.een prov4*
The tion Gentletaitin .etatelir.le 1 by offeriog 'o4l°
objeiStion.. to Ihe .uie of the word charges," )116
he contended, was improperly applied in the presobt"
instance.

Crones had inte.tvled obtruding himself Ir,
their notice at the close of the speech .01 the HO.
B tronet opposite (Sir F. Burdett.) He thought thy' •
speech of that Hon. Baronet less ofillilint than marry
he had heard item his lips, and could not help givig
it as his Opinion,' that his-efforts of pleasantry 4,0
less sneeessiati than his more serious orations. .1.131
refleelions which had been made by hum .on persons
who were of the profession of the law heicituld not
-think were just, as he did not perceive ally thing
preposterous in the idea of Supposing; that in many . 1
cases, persons of that profession; Whohadn Insc:
the comparison of evidence the plineipoi stottY
of their rivet', were boat qualified to juttgi7•4lP•'"
degree of credit which oOglit to lie gist to the wit',
nesses who were called to give.e.vidence netioe
He WI spoken adieu) as persons whose minds "'ere
tainted from the nature of. their profession, and as
such ill qualified to form a just estimate of the ckilins
of the evidence- to attention. fa hi opinion, lito
mind of a ,Candidate fur a
popular seat might justly
be supposed equally biassed. The Memberb of that
Rouse who were in the pmfession of the laW, her
thought, for his own , • part, Were - more
compe-
tent to the .task than those Members to, whoa
an examination of that nature %%as wideltditlerent
fo any thing whicit- ever occupied tpeir 'attentiorf
pr
..before. The Honourable Bart. imielf, th.4ll4br,'
at the commencement of the orcudiPgs; ttad not 4
appeared wholly. unbiassed ; as Dout.nali had stated',
in the utmost agitation, that be had Otfered
Clarke a considerable slap to Produce the w;lic}le of
the correspondence between her and his Royal H&
ness the Puke of York. The Cvideace of -Dottav3P
in that ,-particular, what,4ver -might 'be. in I:A-
-het
parts, he thought entitled- to. the fullest cretlit,
he had given it • with the greatest •reluctlince,• 011,
been strongly corroborated by. Mrs. Ciatkei, 0)(1:1 1;.
she had not mentioned the name et the Hon',
In a note which she sent to. an Hon. Gent'el`"7,-,
(Mr. Adam)'
she had intimated, that 'if her annu7l
was not continued she would seek relief (rem
distresses whit+ assailed givitw ti > the W ei,
of the Commander ill Chiety to Gentlemen 4'17
thatease, afford her relief." G iintleinent
she said, ''file-renqt publishers, but friends of his) 61,c;
He did not dotitit ,but this let ter had an'allosion W t:'-
otters made by. the Hon.. 8 menet, and as. tioclit "ts
thought it fully confirmed the evidence of Pointy:n.l'
He did ,not intend entering mitint:-.ly into alt1116
cases; but he could not rettain fro .
m inqgiug s‘"'''
'observations nn the principal 'evident'- on the i°tdt,
itive6tiViion 91 Airs. Clarke,who It bek....n
by several Hon. Alentbers, as onexceptio4u"";
denctt.. Mrft. Clirke not Slid) 'a
""tytrc:iin,ductproper to:be adopted tut tiers course ut ibis tXtlitit►►%.t~
''
•aS 4.1 e• noir
its Iha light of art accomplice, the neeetoitY "1 ve
ie6,
nt
Ittg reluttano:, it, order to obtain credit, had v-
-1u eibly ipointed -out ;- hence ,arose hat itap. •-
had been brought forward,
unwillingness to disclosures for Ml' i:eeily
as she pretended, unwilling to say any . -
prejudice of the 04:inlander. in Chief, it woul'A
..(fht
been useless for the Hon. Gentleman tailaVe nroubtiot
1-Ltd sue reallY to.
her forward her evidence, far Iron; idoducileca
Oat he intended, would in. That case 00° , 8
wholly destitute of force), nay more; would 1130 re,
coiled on him whotrought her there; she-0.'0)17i:
given a -negative. to every qutstion teifding
that
'innate the Duke; she would have denial .t
had been privyi to thoSe traosattions
ve
slated him to have participated in ; and so tar tt
Royal Higllnua"
supporting the 'ehavges against his icoia
every .spark'ot evidence that fell _item het. ulio
/pa-
even u.itness eager to gratifyer_it
l
ha, e beett a blazing .Burch
.
of daunt:- .to :not
brought ,them forward. She; it was evident,
sonered bers4lt to be made an 11 ens
t
L .--
torw,ird by e t)rotig
forliew,evidence, tosubstantiatetne cows. c
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York. Site Ithd stated, the Huh, Gent
letuo t
the Heti. Gentletnanlagainst ,that‘,;l,,