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THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, AUGUST 2, 1536

Noble Lord in a variety of eases. What he wished to gladly have seen the system altered, so as to enable them This article was almost equally in demand with peon
kn)iv was, whether any rule applicable to more than one to get high wages and be independent. He was sure that The duty at present paid on pimento was el. a poaaurnt).de:tu.anenidrt.l
un on had been laid down on this point. If so, the Corn- Hon. Members were wrong in not desiring to do anything the price of it in bond was also sd. a pound ;he ro d
p pose
rnissioners had wholly neglected that provision of the Act to prevent the poor depening on the parish and from that there should be a reduction of duty to 3d.m
which required them, when they made any rule which was getting high wages. High wages he looked upon as a At present pimento bore a higher price in the
Intended to be applied to more than one union, to give offi- test to the well-being of a country—and in this country, consequence of the duties, than it ought to do ; butparoypiohsiens
vial information thereof to the Noble Lord, with a view to where the people only desired to get work, and who were alteration he thought that it would fall to its real value, in
its being communicated to Parliament. He thought the all industriously inclined, he thought it a peculiar object to comparison with pepper. He next came to cloves, the
House had reason to complain that the Commissioners had secure for them high wages ; but really to hear some gen- present duty on which was 9d. a pound, and Ishould
he
not complied with the provisions of the Act as regarded tlemen speak about the provision for pauperism one would propose to reduce the duty to 6d. He intended to
the returns directed to be made to Parliament. He ad- suppose that the first right of an Englishman was to be a a similar alteration with respect to 'nese, and by this change
mitted that the Poor-laws Amendment Act was an experi- pauper, whereas he thought his first right was to have em- he thought that he should place the spice duty on a proper
ment that ought to be fairly tried. It had now been nearly ploymeut for his industry, and to receive the full value for footing. There were several other articles with respect to
two years in operation, and it became important to know it. He had no objection to a discretion being left in par- which he intended to reduce the duties, but lie would not dee
bow it had worked. This could only be ascertained by di- ticular cases to Commissioners and Guardians, but if some taro the House by going through the list. He would,hewever,
rectine an inquiry ; but as the resolution moved by the general rule was not laid down on the subject of relief, lie call the attention of the Committee to one or two of the
Hon. '?Member for Berks (Mr. Walter) called upon the expected that the old jobbing would again occur, and the more important articles. Great complaints had often been
House to go into a general inquiry upon the subject, not poor again be rendered the sufferers.—(Cheers.) made with reference to the heavy duty on maps and charts ;
now, but in the next Session of Parliament, lie (Lord G. Mr. BROTI-lERTON said that there could be no he proposed to put maps and charts on the same footing as
Somerset) did not feel disposed to support it. doubt that in many districts the present Poor Law Bill prints, and to make them pay a duty of Id. on each. fee
Lord JOHN RUSSELL begged, in consequence of worked well, but still he should wish to see some alterations also proposed to reduce the duty upon castor oil.—(A
what fallen from the Noble Lord, to say a few words in made in it in some respects. He would allude more partieu- laugh.) Hon. Gentlemen might laugh, but he begged that
explanation. The Report of the Commissioners bad in larly to the separation of husbands from wives, and parents they would not suppose that castor oil was only tsedcaastsora
tact been prepared, and would have been presented before from children, and also to the difficulties thrown in the medicine. This was the old notion, and in consequence of
this, but that Government had felt it their duty to direct way of those confined in workhouses, attending places of this feeling a duty of ls. Gd. was at present levied on it ;
some additional returns to be made. With respect to the public worship. When the Poor Law Bill was first but castor oil was used to a considerable extent in maim_
other point alluded to by the Noble Lord, namely, the introduced, he opposed it, on the ground that he then facture, as a substitute for olive oil and palm oil, An ale
rules made by the Commissioners for the government of the thought it would be injurious to the manufacturing teration has been made with regard to the duty on i
different unions, lie had only to say that the Commissioners districts ; but he was happy to be able to state the oil the produce of our own colonial possessions.)sscss:oso ,bu
No,t.eriyt.
accoreling to their understanding of the Act, thought that Bill worked very well in those districts, with the excep- large quantity of it was made in our possessions,
it was lett to them to fix the period at which those rules, in tion of some cases of hardship which it entailed. Nothing could be procured in large quantities from many parts of
every instance, should be put in force. could be more painful to a married couple who had lived the Indian Archipelago; he therefore proposed that there
Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET—My question long together than to be seperated. He remembered when should not only be a reduction on the article the produce of
was, whether the rules laid down by the Commissioners he was overseer two or three years ago, an old man and our colonies, but on castor oil the general produce of the
applied to more than one union ? woman applied to him for relief who had been married a East. Instead of the present duty of Is. 6d. a pound, lie
Lord JOHN RUSSELL—The rules laid down in each great number of years, and they declared to him that they proposed that it should be reduced to ls. 3d. a cwt.
instance are not general rules. would rather suffer death than be separated. A case had The next article he came to in which he intended to
Mr. WAKLEY found, by the rules issued by the Corn- also come to his knowledge since the passing of the present propose a reduction of duty was foreign plate. At present
missioners to the Board of Guardians in the metropolitan Poor Laws, where a young woman applied to him to inter- there was a duty imposed on gold and silver plate, the ma-
parish of St. Martin, that it was not usual under any cir- fere to procure for her aged mother the continuance of a nufacture of other countries, which was almost equal to the
cumstances, without a special order from the Commis- shilling a week which had hitherto been allowed her, but value of the precious metals of which the articles were
sioners, to allow aged and infirm married paupers to share was now stopped, the young woman's wish being to support made. What he proposed to do was to reduce the duty
the same apartment. But one of the points upon which her mother, with the aid of this shilling a week, rather on all foreign plate introduced by parties for their own
the poor had the greatest ground of complaint under the than suffer her to go to the workhouse. A third ease lie use. Under the present system constant complaints were
operation of the new law was, that of medical attendance. was made acquainted with, where an old man complained of being made to him of the vexatious operation of the present
Here the Hon. Gentleman read extracts from the letters being prevented from attending his own place of worship, a duties. It often happened that parties coming from the
of several medical
every instance where paupers, beingractitioners in the country, b
neg-
which it Dissenting chapel, but was compelled to listen to the spi- Colonies or the Continent brought with them articles of
appeared that in
ritual instructions of a clergyman of the Established Church, plate which had either been given to them, or which
,
lected by time surgeons -appointed by the Board of Guar- from the doctrines of which he dissented. Some of the had been so long in their possession that they
dians, sought and obtained better attendance gratuitously clauses bearing upon the subjects he had alluded to were became attached to them, and if they did not pay time large
elsewhere, the were either de rived of all parochial as-
revolting to every well-regulated mind ; and if they were duty, nearly equal to the value of the plate, it was battered
sistance, or else shut up within the walls of the workhouse. to be carried into operation too strictly, the sooner they up. No man, he was sure, could wish for the continuance
In several of these instances time coursepursued by the local were altered the better. On those grounds he should vote of this duty. He, therefore, proposed that foreign silver
, p
Board hail been attended with great hardship and great in- for the inquiry moved for. plate entered by parties for their own use, should pay a
Mr. PLUMPTRE said that to his knowledge the present duty 2s. 6d. an ounce, instead of time present duty of ss. 6d,
Jury to the parties afflicted, as well as to their families. As time
-Noble Lord, however had intimated his intention to consent
, poor-law operated most beneficially in the county of Kent, and that the duty on foreign gold plate should be 1/. an
to go into an inquiry upon this subject, he thought he should and had worked well in those districts where all feeling and ounce, instead of the present duty of 3/. 16s. an ounce.
be acting unfairly if he were to dwell upon points of this considerate men wished it to work well. The next reduction he had to propose was the duty on
kind. The old poor-law system was universally admitted After a few words from Col. Sibthorp, Mr. A. Trevor, rags. Large quantities of them were used as manure, and
to be most obnoxious ; indeed, it was generally believed Mr. Richards, and Mr. G. F. Young, the gallery was were found to be productive of great benefit. On this de-
thatr,, no worse system could by possibility be established. cleared for a division, when the numbers were— scription of rags the duty had been reduced. What lie
Tie erroneousness of that belief was now completely proved For going into the order of the day B2 now proposed was, that the duty should be reduced on
since
.
the new Poor-law Commissioners had succeeded in Against it
establishing
a s stem infinitel worse than an that ever Majority
preceded it. Yety y
the Noble Lord contended that the Act THE BRITISH FORCES IN SPAIN. Customs Act, they were considered as coming within time class
had
operated very satisfactorily. He believed that the poor Captain BOLDERO wished to know whether the Bri- of woollen goods, and they thus were made to pay a duty of
Bill, the country were generally dissatisfied with the tish marines under the orders of Lord John Hay, who were 15 per cent. He should propose that the duty be reduced
and that they would not be- content until the Govern- serving with the army of General Evans were about to be so low that it be little more than nominal. There were
ment consented to go into a full inquiry upon the subject. recalled? And also whether any of them had been taken one or two other articles which he also intended to pro-
If, indeed,bad stated, the Noble Lord (Russell) believed all that he prisoners by the Carlists ; and if so whether they had pose should be inserted in the schedule. lie proposed also
object to ir.qhoei;.3,°.f; ebocucrasues,c, must be the last man that would been made liable to the ordonnance issued by Don Carlos ? to reduce the duty on certain wools used in cabinet-mak-
if the Bill had been attended —an ordonnance most disgraceful in its nature, and con- ing, and particularly those on rosewood. There was an-
oevfitlianalil the advantages he had described, the only result trary to the law of nations, and to the usages of modern war- other wood, brought from the coast of Africa, which he had
to vindicate the would be to establish its usefulness, and fare.—(Hear.) He wished the Noble Secretary for Foreign inserted in the schedule, not so much for lowering the
it
had
b the ingenuity and wisdom of those by whom Affairs would favour him with an answer to his question. duty as to set at rest certain difficulties which at present
house
asteoerny
oifntaroduced. The Noble Lord had told Mr. C. WOOD observed, that the question would be existed. This article might be introduced at a low duty
then
gentleman who had lived on the poor- more properly addressed to him than to his Noble Friend. when brought from the British possessions in Africa ; he
for it.
dividual,
B diet for six weeks, and found himself all the better No orders had been sent out to the northern coast of Spain proposed that this should be extended to all parts of Africa,
But because the diet agreed with that Particular in- to withdraw the marines now serving under the orders of whether British or not. It was most desirable to extend
it by no means followed that it was sufficient for Lord John Hay. With respect to the latter part of the the trade in every possible way on the coast of Africa,
the sustenance Let any o
of the poor, who were compelled to do work. question—alluding to the ordonnance, which the Hon. and to induce the inhabitants to import the produce of
time members of that House put themselves on Gentleman had properly designated as being contrary to those countries, by this means they. would do much towards
otileoualcleoswtearn,cenaamppeolyrt,io4n2edoutuocetsheofpomocraitnathweeetkvo,rskohoounussec4cast the laws of nations, and to the usages of modern warfare— civilising the people. The difficulties in the way of trading
bread,of 8 ounces of cheese, 24 ounces of .it was not possible for him to say what course that person with Africa had been partly removed by Parliament, and
Pints soup—and then at the end of six weeks,
declareal might pursue who had been acting in a manner contrary to partly without having been sanctioned by time House, and
all law. He was happy, however, in being able to say, he was anxious, with the consent of the Committee, to
• Whether he felt himself better or worse.---(Hear, hear. The that as far as regarded the Royal Marines, that none of make further alterations, and to get rid of the impedi-
atilaleeevva:noce of the Gloucester workhouse was a starvine-allo them had fallen in the way alluded to by the Hon. Gen- merits which now prevented the extension of trade on the coast
to ma. ritl yet they were told that it was amply su°fficie"n't-
iniodsinot,ain life, and to produce a feeling of satisfaction in the tleman, had been sacrificed by the outrageous and abomi- of Africa. He proposed, therefore, a reduction of the duty on
African teak wood and wax, and to allow these articles from
the tp, ' the poor.—(Hear, hear.) But in many instances nable decree of Don Carlos.
left lit
.setiomeCaptain BOLDER() asked, whether they were consi- all parts of the coast of Africa to be introduced at a low
anee f Comfort of the poor was not limited to their allow- deredto come within Lord Eliot's treaty ? duty. There was another article the duty on which he
meat and drink. The regulations generally adopted No answer was returned to the question. wished to lower—he meant verdigris. Attempts had been
Commie room to doubt that the object of the Poor-law Mr. MACLEAN wished to know, whether in case of made to establish manufactures of verdigris in this country;
ottfuorstein;ohiiniesestioners was to make the workhouses prisons, and an accidents or casualties happening to the British Ma- but, notwithstanding the exertions of the parties, one after
order to
, r disterretsposoor to every species of degradation and tor- rives under Lord John Hay, that a publication or Gazelle another had failed, only until one was left, and that, he be-
piareavoeyntbtuhieldmiosneekingt adn asydlum in the tiime would be published, stating the extent of them ? He would lieved, was not of any great extent. This country did not
classes the parish. It n 7
tne cost of
should be more prudentscarnseacciidethtabatunitntmitilaclienistaeabaionsooenroilioai
be lasdo
PP
ebetchat opportunity. of asking when. the returns he possess the raw material from which verdigris should be
• I for would be laid on the table ? made, nor had we the same facilities for its manufacture that
Youth they should save enough to maintain them when age theiNlHr.oCo.. WOOD, in answer to the question just put by were possessed by other countries. It had, therefore, been
and infirmity should render them incapable of further Gentleman as to when he could have the returns much pressed on him by time manufacturers of this country,
exertion. This was one of the favourite erguments of the
late Lord Chancellor (Brougham) • but ho'w, he would wouldrelative to. the Marines on_ the Northern coast of Spain, in which verdigris was used, to make an alteration on the
state, that he (Mr. C. Wood) could not tell, for his duty now paid° on it. He proposed to reduce the duty
o f effect(lifei
eoaurat so uffflwca ie n t saving
was a young man to*
hear.)ges amounting .. , Hon. Friend had given notice of a motion for two different from ls. to 6d. per lb. His Honourable Friend the Member
himself at the close
6s. or a week?_semaintain nights for these returns, and yet on neither of' those occa- for Kilmarnock had given notice, that he should pro-
be knew to he the general rate fromof only to
personal sions did the Hon. Gentleman attend in his place. If re- pose time reduction of the duty to 3d. per lb. ; but he
exPeri 7s.Thiswere made to time votes, it would appear that on (Mr. C. P. Thomson) thought that the 'reduction he pro-
--ene'ferenceThursda as well as on a previous day, a notice stood on posed would be found quite sufficient for time object in view,
m_g_tb Devonshire and Dorsetshire. Time Noble Lord (J. wages in
the books on the subject, but the Hon. Gentleman was not Hereafter, however, if the duty did not appear to be suffi-
Sol_
subject
ine reluctant to pledge himself to • Russell)
on either day. The papers had certainly not been ciently low, he should be willing to make a further reduction ;
Pend
t the next session of Parliament,abnoinquiry into the present
.laidon the table ; but it had not been his fault ; he had but at present he should propose a duty of Gd. per lb. He
eveeksupon it, that, before the session had continuedthemight de- laid
in his pocket, and was ready to furnish them had the was anxious to take that opportunity of calling the atter,.
, he would find, from the many them
Member made his motion. The Hon. Member, tion of the Committee to the effect of the reductions of
pre-
sented on thesubject, le number of petitions Hon.
he now proposed, both as regarded the
sable for him that it would be absol 1 ' therefore,had not got time returns, because he had not the nature which
It • 1 )°
ute y impose
to avoid the scrutiny With regard to the other question, he revenue and the trade of this country. might appear
Mr• C P IPP so anxiously demanded. moved for them.
• a S explained.beggedobserve that it was not the uniform practice on all very ridiculous to talk of the advantage of the reduction of
Sir H. VERNE
Y thou h "
thee, to which g t the point of medical attend- occasions to lay 1, '
time att • the Hon. Member for Finsbury had directed Majesty's forces had been engaged. It was usual to do so on showed the benefit that had flowed from the system he was
bar, MACLEAN
of time House, particularl desirable.great occasions, but it was not the uniform practice. As fares pursuing.—( Hear, bear.) He trusted that an exception
justice ofIACLEAN complained of time hardship and in- gregarded any disasters in the military operations that had from the rule applicable to other articles would not be met
in-
attending the rule which prevented paupers of unions from taken lace in the north of Spain in which the Marines had with in time case of the reduced duties on spices. They
Parish- the attendance of divine worship in their on: had a pnart, he was happy in being able to say that the in- deed involved a considerable amount of revenue ; but he
and thate urches. He trusted that this would be remedied. , telligence was perfectly satisfactory. To one part of time trusted and believed that the proposed change would not
~,,
to the bastardy clause of the Act would be so revised motion of time Hon. Gentleman he should object, as lie involve the sacrifice of any considerable amount of duty.
•:_eprevent the disclosure of immodest circumstances in stated on a former occasion, namely, for time Return of the He would endeavour, in a few sentences, to show how much
ee n Court.
number of Marines employed on time northern coast of might be done by attention to subjects of this nature, and
Mr. D. w
the Nobl * HARVEY said it had been observed by Spain. He should have no objection, however, to lay the by judicious reductions of duty. Ile would state to the
the e Lord (Russell) that the originator of the Bill, dispatches of Lord John Hay respecting the affair at Fon- House what had been the loss on a number of articles the
Excite Noble Lord (Althorp) at that time Chancellor of time tarabia on time table. If, therefore, the Hon. Gentleman duties on which had been reduced in time years 1832, 1833,
eau_
entry,
deserved the confidence and support of the made a slight alteration in his motion there would be no ob- and 1834. He would not allude to articles of importance,
dia.netu.Ytee In following up a measure fraught with so many jection to agree to it, and thus the House would be fur- but l•eferred to those which were classed as producing a
o":,w1. i...s with so much energy and promptitude, lie (Mr. Dished with
time information sought for, and his Hon. small amount of duty. By the reduction of time duties on
with Iv, tlarvey) feared that the energy and promptitude Friend • • would not be troubled by having to put any more articles of this description, they would have been justified in
ic, , inch this measure was carried o Chad dquestions on the subject.
that
a
eal of exhaustion •
Low
no in the Government, and that they had Mr. MACLEAN had understood from his Hon. Friend amount of 411,000/. That was taking it for granted that
one energytittle left for anything else"--( Hear, bear)—for if that there would be no objection to furnish time information the quantity of the article imported would be the same
ract erased of the energy and promptitude which have cha- required, and had therefore abstained from bringing forward in amount after the reduction of the duty as it was before ;
ilia` the progress of this measure, affecting as it a formal motion, as he supposed that the papers would be it was also assuming that the consumption did not
aeon millions oe persons and millions of property—had at once laid upon the table. His Hon. Friend had con- increase. The real foss of revenue from the duties on
would extended to other subjects, be thought they ceded all that he required, except that which he thought these articles was, last year, 240,000/., so that the loss was
nlattersnot then find the order book so crowded with necessary for the elucidation of the subject, namely, time little more than 60 per cent., instead of being a total loss,
Motive standing for consideration—matters partial in their return of' time number of Marines. as might fairly have been anticipated.—(Hear, hear.) He
the.
c, and dubious in their utility.—(Hear, bear.)—The Mr. C. WOOD referred to the votes in order to show would take the article nuts, the duty on which had been
in r the workhouses having been so highly extolled, he that his Hon. Friend had on two separate occasions given reduced, in 1832, from two shillings to one shilling a pound.
ew no
than better or more proper course that could be adopted notice that he should make his motion on reading the first 'File estimated loss was 22,5001., but the real loss was not
„ to make it compulsory on the State paupers who at Order of the Day ; but lie had not done so. No motion more than 380/. Again, the duty on cocoa was reduced
tee.present
their moment were actually deriving the means of had been made on the subject, and therefore the returns from 6d. to 2d. a pound. The estimated loss was 10,0001.,
itoe_,scandalous and shameful support from the labour and had not been laid on the table. Whenever the returns but time net loss was only 5,000/. Again, on the article
the
l'trY of those very persons whose condition they were were moved for they should be furnished iinmediately, for madder and madder roots the estimated loss was 14,5001.,
,rbi ratherir considering than commiserating.—( Hear, hear.) he had them in his pocket. In reply to the last observe- while the net loss was only 7,300/. Taking the article cur-
e non lnel,,
_0 .Gentleman concluded by urging. the Govern- tion of his Hon. Friend, he begged to observe that it was rants, the duty on which had been so recently reduced, it
tinis":s consent to an inquiry into the subject now in a not usual on all occasions to publish the lists of the killed would appear, that although the duty given up was
peri'_
,t calmness and prosperity, rather than defer it till a and wounded, although this was the case on important 000,000/., the loss was only 1:30,000/. Although the duty
so leu. when the exasperation of the people should become occasions. had only been reduced two years, the net loss was little
grli_as to render concession or refusal alike daneerous. After a few words from Sir E. KNATC HBULL, more than two-thirds of the estimated loss of 200,0004
„, '' BROKE VEIiE thought that when such enor- Mr. 'MACLEAN saidthat I
j,"s powers he would at once make his (Hear, hear.) He mentioned these cases to show what
-er wers were given to any body of' men as were con- motion, had been done, and what might be done, by a judicious re-
bored by time new law upon the Poor-law Commissioners, it The SPEAKER suggested that it would be more re- duction of ta. •
aged Parliament to see that those , 'cation on articles apparently producing a small
eaere,__ ,
ignera'seu• At time present moment the House was wholly there was no opposition to giving them. cases, he should be able to induce the House to persist in
ated. nt of the rules by which poor-houses were now regu- THE CUSTOMS DUTIES BILL. pursuing the course that had been followed with so much
drat Mr. vi r On the motion of Mr. C. P. THOMSON, the House advantage.—(Cheers.)
th LLIERS required some evidence to satisfy him resolved itself into Committeeßill.
on this Dr. BOW RING said, the House and the country
kn e new poor-law was as bad as was stated, because he Mr. C. Pew the f 1 P. THOMSON, owing ter the prosperous state might be congratulated on the progress of commercial re-
the Act a sehosd and fallacy which was current before of the revenue, was enabled to propose the reduction of forni, and might derive encouragement,
the President
eement, not only from the
Poor Was passed, with regard to the feelings of the duties on a number of articles,• d. '
in addition to those which statements of the of the Board of Trade, but
nia._ on the subject of parochial dependence. It was he had stated former •from what waspassing in
on a occasion. He had been long
hitweadY . said and believed that the English labourer anxious to propose to United States offered a
the House the reduction of duty in
ssplendid example of time advance
eon, t° depend upon parish relief. Now he knew time one particular
nee'rarY to be time case, for when h commenced his in- present too class of articles which he thought were at and the success of a liberal policy in matters of trade. He
llurY, he deter mired e s
_heavily taxed ; but lie had hitherto been pre. held in his hand the last commercial returns ; they exhi-
to go among the poor themselves, and vented from doing so. T he articles he alluded to were a bited since the lowering of the tariff an increase of ex-
earnfromh them what their feel' were on the subject, class of s •
Imes, and he had come to time determination of ports to the amount of thirty millions of dollars, and of
the e could assure Hon. Membmegrss;tilat what they called recommending to the Committee. the proposed. reductions imports to the
_exten.t of fifty millions. He had to pro-
triee.rpoor were far more intelligent' as to the practices of of duty, after the best eonsidFration he could give time sub- pose sundry modifications, which he hoped would be sane-
Clutibettersth,s! _ than they had the credit of Leine He found ject, and after manycommunications. with the trade.. There honed by the. Right on; Gentleman. They principally
s pacing a perfect insight into the selfishness. and fraud were four articles the duty on winch pressed heavily, and regarded articles from France, in which he might be
:flys which they were degraded to be and the al- respecting which it was important
deviseagreed with him, that time system
lvas a
cunningly-Y
namely, pepper, pimento,as eto make alterations— supposed to feel a
in
interest, and he would take
~es, and mace. The present. occasion to state, in answer to those who had so fi.e-
them
tod the
for lowering their wages, and humbling duty on pepper was one shilling pound, and the price of quently repeated that no changes had been obtained in
4"ire to le lowest pitch which the most selfisii master could that article in bond was only 471 a pound : he intended to France, that the exports of our manufactures, which for
not we, see. Man after man had told him' that the • did propose to reduce the duty to 6d a
a pound. This was a duty many years before 1830 had not reached to half a mil-
th isn to go to the parish for relief, but that farmers and which might appear high in .
comparisonnd with the value of the lion sterling, were in the last year a million and a half,
oreici.employersto
of labourers gave them starving in article, but still there was a co
k wages,
l that
reduction in the or an increase of 200 per cent. He proposed that the duty
u _ o drive them there toof 'duty.He was satisfiedsi
were relieved
iheard also, from labourein•smtheemo
themselves
sptehoapt empaany. amountduties
ia
t 1
Ie s o
articles, the consumptiont't by
such reductions of on verdigris should be reduced from the sixpence pro-
e thee ievedwould be greatly in- posed by the Right Hon. Gentleman to 3d. per pound.
by the petty shopkeepers, if 'the • would creased, and the revenue would not
nkl'af_oa parish money at th • i •• d l had) heard andthe great object their s lops and he at same one suffer any great loss, 'He vrished also to reduce tame duty on French plums to 7s.
uer"Y poor man say, that vlthey to the would be effected— per cwt. It was very difficult to distinguish between
thonse,off than themselves getting when saw men no namely, putting a stop
.adulteration of the article as plums and prunes, and the distinction of the duty • not
, re nas
and eet they lieu as good
ageriothintg relief, why they had sold at
.present, and by which the poorer
classes were worth preserving. He would also propose a reduction of
hardly io""cothat they had been induced''to get it as theyhad, greatly injured. He need remind Hon. Gentlemen duty on foreign books.
tiaLesntsiecluence. And they allto apply for parish money that pepper was a condiment extensively used by the poorer M. MART expressed his satisfaction attime reduce
were b_°,at they remembered
spok.e of the. change from classes, and. that by this reduction. of duty the demand tions made by his Right Hon. Friend, but regretted that
Vinievtter, they wouldnever and said that. if their. wages for the article would be greatly increased. Instead of los- lie had not included Neapolitan olive oil amongst those
ien dg ,) impression - articles on which he bad to lessen the
proposed duty.
;1.1 g °al tiler • then was, that in every parish of the posed, he did not calculate that they would lose more than An H lee
ego eo e uere a fair proportion of tl ,11 •er f ors. s EMBER asked why the duty on chicory was
o' 000/ 30 000/ I tl t. 1 '
me poor noet e rom ....), .to , . n le ar lc e o pimento le increased ' I vvri under the old poor-law system, and who would also thought that there should be a reduction fd o uty. Mr. P. THOMSON replied that it was in order to pre-

vent fraud with respect to coffee. With this view he pro-
posed a duty of 20s. in the cwt. on ground chicory.
Dr. BOWRING moved, " That the duty on French
plums be reduced to 7s. per cwt. ; that on verdigris to 3d.
per lb. ; and that on books printed since 1801, to 20s.
per cwt."
Mr. P. THOMSON objected to these motions, which
were withdrawn.
Mr. BAINES recommended that the oil of the two
Sicilies, which was the best, should be received into this
kingdom on the same terms as the oil of other countries.
Mr. P. THOAIFSON said that if the suggestion of his
Hon. Friend were adopted by the Government, it would
take out of their power the means of enforcing the system
of reciprocity on which it had been determined to act.
The present price was the result of the failure of the crop,
which had occurred for the last two years, and which had
the effect or giving a monopoly to the producers of olive
oil. He had no doubt but that in time the matter would
be satisfactorily adjusted ; and if, after the lapse of a
certain period, it were not, Government would be prepared
to exercise the powers entrusted to it with the view of at•
taining that object.
Mr. HUTT felt it his duty to move that the duty on
plums be reduced to 7s. per cwt.
Mr. P. THOMPSON opposed the motion.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw ; but no divi-
sion took place, and the motion was withdrawn.
The Bill was reported to the House.
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