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Leen transported for his alleged share in the Doneraile
conspiracy, with a view to show the partisan evils of the
magistrate system in Ireland, and that a Lord Lieutenant
in each county could not be an efficient remedy. The pc-
culiarity of Leary's case was, that, contrary to three re-
monstrances to :the Irish Government of Judge Penne-
father, who tried him, found on the fact that three juries
acquitted parties on the very same evidence which was
brought against Leary, and-that the character of the wit-
nesses was more than questionable, while that of Leary, a
wealthy farmer, aged 75, was above suspicion, the
sentence of transportation was enforced by the late Irish

Government.
Mr. CALLAGHAN said that the witnesses in the
Doneraile case were still, and had been ever since that

trial, supported at the public expence.
Mr. STANLEY was not responsible for the transaction,
as it Lad been instituted by the late Government.
The Bill was then reported without amendment, and
ordered to be read a third time on Thursday next.
Mr. RICE moved the order of the day for the further
consideration of the report on the Public Works in Ireland

Bill:
Mr. A. DAWSON was one who conceived the mra-
sures of the present Government, with respect to Ireland,
as based on a abort-sighted and most unstatesmanlike policy.
lastead of bringing forward some comprehensive plan for
the relief of the poor of Ireland, by the development of
its native resources, Ministers were merely tracing the
steps of their predecessors with some petty pence-table
temporary expedient, which could be productive of no per-
manent advantage. lie proposed that instead of a loan a
rant of 500,0001. should be made for the erection of
public works in Ireland.
Lcrd ALTHOItP was afraid that, in the present state
of the finances, it would be quite impossible to grant such
a sum to Ireland. He had little doubt but that she would
receive almost equal benefit from the receiving of this sum

as a loan.
Mr. LEADER was of opinion that such a grant of mo-
ney to Ireland would speedily produce a great increase in
the revenue raised from that country. He knew of no way
by which Ireland could be tranquillized, except that of
spreading employment over the country.
Sir J. BUP,KE commended the caution with which
Government was now proceeding, awl had no doubt that
when the Chairman of this commission presented his report
of its proceedinee, it would chew that the plan had fully
succeeded, and if so, it would serve•as an incentive to en-
courage Government to accede to similar proposals.
Mr. S. RICE thought that instead of indulging in this
desultory conversation, they had better proceed at once to
the consideration of the report.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee on
the Bill.
Mr. O'CONNELL observed that the money would be
granted on Grand Jury presentments in Ireland, the Grand
Juries would mortgage their respective counties for the
amount, which must of necessity be eventually paid by the
poorest peasants in the world.
Mr. STANLEY hoped that before the month of March
a Bill would pass for the complete and satisfactory amend-
ment of the whole system of Grand Jury laws.
Mr. ROBINSON contended that some legislative tnea-
sure ought to be enacted which would oblige Irish pro-
prietors to support their own poor, inste id of allowing
them to be continually thrown, as at present, upon the
charity of the English.
Mr. BLACKNEY insisted that Ireland hail abundant
resources to support herself, and all that appertained to her,
if she was only treated with fair play, and indignantly re-
pelled the imputation that Ireland, as a country, was in
any degree whatever a burthen upon England.
Mr. HUME objected to the principle of the Bill
altogether.
Mr. RICE said a few words in vindication of it-
Mr. A. DAWSON trusted that Ireland would receive a
sum of money for the purposes of inland navigation, and in-
stanced the Caledonian Canal as an example of what had
been done by means of Parliamentary bounty elsewhere.
Sir G. CLERK denied that that canal was a national
benefit to Scotland to the extent that the Hon. Member
for Louth appeared to suppose. The works on the canal
had been executed by the countrymen of the Hon. Member
for Louth, not by Scotchmen, whom the grant was in-
tended to employ. With respect to the Bill before the Com-
mittee, he did not object to a grant of this nature tolreland.
Mr. WARBURTON thought it far preferable to advance
money for public works by way of loan than by gift. The
former was employed in speculations which promised a re-
turn, whereas a gift was absorbed in jobs.
Mr. GRATTAN concurred in opinion with the Hon.
Member for Middlesex.
Mr. WYSE observed, that it was now generally ad-
mitted, that the expenditure of public money on public
works was benefici it to the State. As to the question,
what was the best mode of advancing such money, whether
by loan or by grant, lie recommended that it should be in
three portions,—one consisting of conditional grants ; ano-
ther of advances by Government with the view of being
repaid by tolls, &c. ; the third, loans of the nature proposed
by this Bill. He Lad no other objection to the Bill than
that it did not go far enough.
Mr. SADLER did not object to the grant ; he thought
it might even be increased, if the mode of distribution was
improved. The present Bill tended to establish a kind of
state-pawnbrokers. He took occasion to say that he should
persist in introducing his plan respecting a system of poor
laws for Ireland on Thursday.
Mr. SHELL slid, that it was a sound economy to vote
money fur this object to Ireland, for the returns were neces-
sarily made to England.
Mr. COURTENAY thought that this measure would
facilita'e the introduction of poor laws into Ireland.
On the first clause being read,
Mr. HUME repeated his objections to the machinery
of the Bill, inasmuch as the expence of an additional Board
was created, the duties of which could be performed by
one now existing.
Mr. STANLEY said, that the Board alluded to by the
Hon. Member for Middlesex had peculiar duties to dis-
charge, which were quite sufficient to occupy the whole
of its time.
After some discussion on the question, whether the
Board should consist of five or three persons,
Mr. HUME moved, as an amendment, that fur that
part of the Bill which related to the appropriation of
500,0001. in Exchequer-bills to be advanced for public
works, the Commissioners appcinted by the 57th Geo. 111.
and 3d Geo. IV. be appointed. These were unpaid Com-
missioners.
Mr. S. RICE contended that it would be absurd to re-
appoint these Commissioners. Some of them were dead,
and of the disposition of the others to act the House could
know nothing.
Mr. O'CONNELL said, ss they had much important
matter connected with the Reform Bill to go through to-
morrow (this day), and as it was very late, lie would
move that the Chairman do report progress, and ask leave
to sit again. This was agreed to, and the House having
resumed, the Chairman obtained leave to sit again on
Monday next.
SCOTCH AND IRISH REFORM BILLS.
On the motion of Lord ALTHORP, the second read-
ing of these Bills was postponed to Friday week.
The second reading of the Wine Duties Bill was post-
polled to Monday next.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at Two o'clock.
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