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London, England, 1831-07-30 00:00:00

REFORM BILL.

that East Griustead stand
, The first question brcugut before the Committee w,s,
part of schedule B?
Ater a few words from Mr. C. PELHAM, the question
was agreed to.
Theinext question was, that the hero igh of Guldford do
stand part of schedule B?
Mr. DENISON, in moving that Guiltlfordshould retain
both its Member., did not rise to offer the slightest oppo-
sition to the -Reform Bill, nor would he article to the ease
of any one of the disfranchised boroughs ; but in per-
-1 forming the duty which devolved upon him, be trusted
that without once referring to the principle of the Bill, or
to any extrinsic matter, he would Make out a case which
should in-the juds,ment of the House entitle Guildf.rd
its remoVal to schedule B. He would also confine himself
to the census of 1821, which had been selected ,by his
Noble and Right Hon. Friend. In this return he beiitv.d
there had been a mistake, and begged to refer to a memo-
rial upon the subject from the mayor and inhabitants of
Guildford. The memorial stated; that while in the census
the population was estimated at 3,116, yet in truth, if all
,the population properly belonging to the town had been
included, it would amount to 4,212. And in this 4,212,
he could state that the rural population was not enumer-
ated. althoufh it lay in a district of two miles in the en-
virons of the town. Part of Guildford stood in the parish
of Stoke, over which the magistrates of Guildford, by a
statute of James H., hid jurisdiction, and he submitted
this parish ought to be added to the borough as well as
Spital-street and another street which had been omitted in
the census of 1821. In the borough of Guildford there
were 213 ten pound houses ; in those parts of the town
beyond the limits of the borough there were 35, and in
Spital-street and the other street there were 67, making in
all 450 ten pound houses. Guildford, too, paid 1,9001. in
assessed taxes, a greater amount than was paid by any
other borough io schedule B. He also claimed favour for
it, on account of its having sent Members to Parliament
since the 23d of Edward 1., and on account of the respec-
tability and purity of its constituency, and because it was
a county town. He thought that his Hon. and Learned
Friend the Attorney-General had not proceeded with his
usual care and caution last night, when he decl teed that
county towns were entitled to no superior consideration,
and he thought that his lion. and Learned Friend was
then disposed to travel with a too sweeping speed, so that
they might describe his progress in the poet's lines—
" And the lightreourser bounds along the plain."

In conclusion he threw himself on the justice of the House,
declaring he wouhl'Submit cheerfully to its decision.
Mr. MANGLES, Mr. NORTON, and Mr. Ii s 2 expre=sel
their entire approbation of the statement made by the
lion. Member for Surrey, and their concurrence in the
opinion be bad professed respecting the purity and respect-
ability of the borough, and its perfect right to return two
Members.

Lord J. RUSSELL, admitting all that bad been sail
with regard to the respectability of the borough, and its
being a county town, could not agree to its removal from
schedule B. It would be perceived they did not disfran-
chise it altogether, but continued to it one Member. Con-
sidering, however, that it was a town of no great popula..
tion, and having laid down a rule, he did not see any rea-
son why an exception should be made in its favour ; an
exception which could not take place without great in-
justice to many other boroughs. He contended, that if
even that part of the parish of Stoke which is within the
town were added to the borough, it would not give the
borough altogether a, population of 3,723, which fell
short of the prescribed limits ; he, therefore, repeated
there were no grounds for making an exception in favour
of Guildford.

Sir C. WETHERELL, notwithstanding the aaempts
to intimidate him by the public Press, would continue to
do his duty, and offer such remarks as seemed fitting to hint
upon any or every clause of the Bill. One of the lite-
rary allies of the Ministers, had that day proscribed
him by name as practising delay. He would, upon this
account, not the more, but certainly not the less, perse-
vere in the course which he had prescribed to himself to
take.--(Cheers.) He declared he would not descend to
answer any thing that was said by the public Press.—.
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tion, he would cry privilege —(Cheees.) (An Hon.
Member stated be had not cried question.) He did not
I mean to accuse that Hon. Gentleman. It was some in-
cognito crier.—(Hear, hear) Why were they not to be
allowed, upon the statement in the population returns of
1821, to show that Guildford might technically and
officially ho made out entitled•to retain the franchise it now
possessed ? Ile believed that tho erazure of the Belgian
fortresses would not be more unpopular thin the erasure
of these county towns in Huntingdon hire and Bucking-
hamshire. Ile knew at least what would he thought of
it in Surrey. He did not think that proceeding was likely
to occasion a spirit of conciliation. What did the Ministry
pretend to proceed upon? On principle, indeed—then it
was principle at random. Namur, Mons, and Tournay,
might be razed, he did not know whether they were or not,
and he would not connect foreign with domestic politics—_
but even if they were, it would be less intolerable than
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with respect to one borough it was refused, and so it was
with respect to tnother. Ask when they would, it never
was the time, or, at least, if there ever was a fit time,
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That was a division of time that the Learned Doctor said,
looked a little beyond the horizon of futurity; in his
opinion the Ministerial adoption of that division did not
peep an inch above the horizon. The Ministers said they
would not hear evidence on those boroughs. The Press
said they ought not to her speeches; between them both,
therefore, no inforwation was to be given, and yet both
agreed that tber boroughs were to be disfranchised. He
trusted teat the Committee would pay proper respect to
the statements of the lion. Member for Surrey, than whom
a man of higher honour or greater independence was not
to be found, and who had laid before them a case in
favour of this borough, on which they ought to pause
before they proceeded to the disfranchisement of the bo-
rough. But inquiry, it seemed, was never to be given,
but at a future tioa,a, a time indeed so future that he feared
the supperteva of this borough's franchise would never find

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Sir J. SCARLET'f from Lisknowledge of the borough
of Guildford, was bound to say that a purer principle of
representation did not exist than was to be found in that

borough, The facts made out by the Hon. Member for
Surtey were sufficient to justify the Committee in taking
the borough out of schedule B. The parish of Stoke
was within the jurisdiction of the borough, so that its
population had a right to be included in the elective, fran-
chise of the borough. There were twenty houses which
happened to be extra parochial, and which were therefor,.
not included in the official returns; but these houses rally
formed a part of the borough ; they were respectable.
houses, and they were all inhabited. Besides this, there
was the outskirt of Ardington, the population of which
was 489, so that within half a mile of she centre of the
town, there was a sufficient number of houses;. and
within half a mile of the limits of the borough, there was
a population such as would entitle the town to retain its
two representatiyea%
Lord ALTHORP said that this borough stood in ex-
actly the name situation as Dorchester), which the Corn.
) mittee had decided last night, and in his opinion it was to
be determined upon the same, principle. He concurred
fully in what had been said with regard to the respeete-
hility of the const.;4;ency ; but that did not get rid of the
necessity to adhering to their rule. Besides, it was not
a town of such consequence with reference to its extent
and population, and with reference too to the large towns
of England, as to enfrtle it to be made an exception to the
iuk, and to retain, two Members, where other borePgl"
circumstanced in the same manner had but one.
Mr. PEARCE said a few words, which were under-
stood to be in favour of the amendment.
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borough.
Sir E. SUGDEN denied that this • case was the same •
as that of Dorchester. It wai4iere,laid that there was
not a sufficient number of lionSeo sod people within' the .
town Well to justify retaioinCthe • two Members. In