The Sun.
London, England, 1838-05-05 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY", MAY 5 , 1838.

on Thursday, and his audience was quite as numerous and
more vociferous than on former occasions. We expected
that Dr. CHALMERS would have examined, with some care,
the very important question, why the Government has
selocted, and still selects, Presbyterianism in Scotland and
Episcopacy in England and Ireland, exclusively to bestow
on it all the revenue which the State can set apart for the reli-
gious instruction of the whole people, thereby injuring and
insulting all its subjects who are not members of the
favoured denomination, and thereby subverting the great
compact of dealing equally and fairly with all, on which
alone it can ask for their obedience. We expected to hear
Dr. CHALMERS explain the stern necessity under which
the Government of this people, composed of Episcopalians,
Roman Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, Relief and
Secessionists, Independents, Baptists, Quakers, &c. &c.,
all of whom have a voice in the Legislature, in proportion
to their numbers and their wealth, was compelled to com-
mit the injustice of preferring one sect to another ; and we
expected to hear him explain the methods by which the Go-
vernment of such apeople, committingthis continual injustice
may, which at present seems a hopeless task, hope to rule
them in peace, happiness, and prosperity. But not one
word on this, to our divided people, important subject, did
the Rev. Divine condescend to utter. He alluded at
some length to the conflict which now exists between what
is legal and what the people desire ; he expatiated largely
on CONSTANTINE adopting Christianity, and on HENRY
VIII. nursing the Reformation ; he abused Catholicism
as its prevails in Ireland, and he thundered forth against
Ministers for attempting to do a little justice to the Ira Ca-
tbolics, as if they were swindlers or pickpockets. MUR-
TAGIL O'SULLIVAN and DENS RPGIIEE would have died,
we believe, with envy, had they heard the vociferous
applause with which this part of the Learned Divine's ora-
tion was received by his well-dressed audience. We insert
an ample report of this Lecture ; and our readers, on perusing
it, will agree with us, that this Clergyman might be better
employed than in exciting political and religious animosity.
Perhaps it may occur to them, that no money can be worse
applied, than that which, bestowed to promote peace and
love, is perverted to sustain the factious disseminators of
bigotry and strife. -
We cannot find space for the comments we intended to
offer on the principles of the lecture ; but one homage we
must pay to the Learned Divine's discrimination. He too
has discovered, whatever might have been the case for-
merly, that the public will and the law of the land are now
at variance ; that which is legal does not coincide with what
the people desire ; and that voluntary zeal and the legal
principle, far from being concurrent, are in deadly
conflict. So far Dr. CHALMER'S agrees with the
author of the Paper on what the middle classes of
Germany desire which we published a few days ago,
and sagaciously recognises the difficulty of governing,
which is the remarkable feature of modern political
society. Which of the two principles ought to give
way—the legal principle, which is only the embodyment of
what was voluntary—or the voluntary principle, which
asserts a perfect right in the existing generation to
embody their will into laws such as was possessed
by their predecessors, we cannot now inquire. We
must content ourselves with observing, that the elo-
quent discourses of Dr. CHALMERS will stir up more doubts
than they will put to rest, and that the Church of England
will owe no gratitude to its indiscreet friends who invited
him to lecture in the metropolis.

By the arrival of the packet ship Independence at
Liverpool we have received New YOrk papers of the 10th
instant just one day later than the last arrivals.
The result of the engagement at Pelle Island, on th e
3d ult.—" the last kick of the Patriots"—is now known
as regards the British troops. A detachment of the 32d
regiment was only engaged, of which the following were
killed or wounded :

Sargeant Sheffield, shot through the arm, broken ; is not expected to
live.

Sergeant Wood, flesh wound in the thigh.
Corporal Miller, both legs broken by a ball ; died since; lest a widow
and child in Montreal.

Drummer M'Cai tan, killed ; lie volunteered to form one of the party.
Private Holmes—killed.

Private Symons—shot through the breast; died since.
Wounded severely—Privates Reacher, Ogden, Davis, Au sty, Pearson,
Sheppard, Alcock, Winters, Leader, Davy, Warren, Roland.
Privates Knight, Regan, North, Jerrod, Scott, Ridge, Harding, Ste-
vens, Holland, Hubble,dordan, Johnston—,-all slightly wounded. The
whole amounting to thirty men.
The following paragraphs are copied from the New
York Journals :

Lord Gosford continues to receive the attentions and hospitalities of
the citizens of New York, public and private. Thesecivilities, we un-
derstand, ha\ e been of a very gratifying nature. His Lordship will sail
on the 10th, in the Toronto, for London.
The following officers, recently arrived from England, were placed in
general orders for particular service on Monday last :—Lieut.-Colonels
It. Nickle, Quebec ; Hon. G. Cathcart, Montreal ; E. F. Gascoigne,
Montreal : It. It. Loring, Toronto; W. Marshall, Kingston ; C. F.
Turner, Cornwall ; W. Cox, Carillon; W. C. Taylor, St. John's and
Ilemmingford ; Majors W. F. Williams, Mr quoi ;F. A. M. Fraser,
Stanstead ; J. Campbell, Coteau du Lac ; P. Young, Prescot ; Anstru-
ther, Niagara ; C. Head, Beauharnois ; Captains G. Baron de Rotten-
burgh, Toronto ; J. B. Creagh, Beauharnois.
The packet ship Virginian brought to New York Major Briggs and
Veterinary Surgeon Johnston, of the 7th Hussars, and Lieutenant and
Riding Master Hanamersley, Ist Dragoon Guards. They have arrived
in town, and we believe it is their intention to purchase horses in the
townships.

The Paris Journals of Thursday have all been received.
Those of Wednesday reached us yesterday, but in conse-
quence of the unusual quantity of domestic intelligence on
hand, we were constrained to postpone till to-day all refe-
rence to their contents. In the Charte of Thursday night
we find the following official news from Spain :-
"TELEGRAPHIC DESPATCH."
BAYONNII, MAY 3.-Accounts from St. Sebastian state, that Gene-
ral Espartero had gained a signal victory over Count Negri in the
neighbourhood of Burgos. The Carlists are stated to have suffered con-
siderably. The whole of their artillery and a great number of officers
had fallen into the hands of the Constitutionalists."
The Chamber of Deputies was engaged on Wednesday
with the further consideration of M. Gout N's Five per
Cent. Reduction Bill, the Minister of Finance being suffi-
ciently recovered to take part in the debates.
The editor of the newspaper, La Ztlode,has been fined by
the Court of Correctional Police, at the suit of the Attor-
ney-General in a penalty of 200 francs, for omitting .to
publish in his journal his conviction and sentence of impri-
sonment for a libel upon the KING T.
NNe have the following letter from Dresden, April 23 :-
" Several hotels have already been hired at Carlsbad by Foreign
Princes who are now in Germany, and by other persons of distinction :
among them are mentioned the Princess of Beira and Don Miguel, the
Duke and Duchess of Angouleme, the Duke of Bordeaux and Made-
moiselle de Rosny, Prince Gustavus Wasa, the Duchess of Berri and
her husband, Count Lucchesi Palli, the Duke of Ragusa and M. de
Bourmont, who is to come hither from Rome for the recovery of his
health. On the other hand, no Russian or Austrian Diplomatist has
yet had apartments taken in our city; but what astonishes us is that
General F. Skrizynecki, Commander. in.chicf of the Polish revolu.
tionary army, and Count Ostowski, who was President of the
Chamber during the revolution, have obtained permission to pass
the summer at Carlsbad. The Prince Royal of Saxony intended also to
go to Carlsbad, but as he is much displeased at the meeting of all the
ex-Illustrious personages in that place, he is gone to Italy where he
means to pass the summer."
FRENCH FUNDS.-PARIS, MAY 3.
Five per Cents.. 107 f. 55c 70c. 80c. 60c.
Four-and a Half ner Cents. 103 f, 50c.
Feur-per Cents., 101 T. 25c.
three per Cents. 80f 80c. 75c. 70c.
Bank Actions, 2,695 f.
ftente de Naples, loot 85e. 90c. 70c.
Roman Five per Cents., 103% IA 4.
Spanish Actives, 21%.
Spanish Passives, 4%,
Belgian Loan, 103%.
Belgian Bank, 1,440 f.
Haytian Loan, 485 f,
EXCNANOR ON LONDON.
One month, paper, 25f. 4734 c.; money, 25f. 45e.
Three months, paper, --1..-c.: money, 25f. 32%c.
LATEST PRICES.
Five per Cents. 107 f. 85c.
Three per Cents., 80f. 80c.
Bank Actions, 2,695 f.
Romans' 103%.
Belgian Loan, 103%.
Belgian Bank, 1,440 f.
Portuguese Three per Cents., 22%.
tfaytian Loan, 4851.
Spanish Actives, 21%.
Spanish Passives, 4%

ELECTION COMMITTEES.
(THIS DAY.)

HULL.
The Committee met shortly after eleven o'clock. The Committee_
room was crowded to excess ; but a great proportion of the " strangers"
was composed of unemployed Barristers.
The names of the Committee having been called over,
' Mr. TITESIGEIIt said, when the Committee rose yesterday, he was in
possession of the attention of the Committee on the objection to the
vote of Andrew Hare. An Honourable Member had asked him
if he was likely to be long? To that question lie had stated he eould
give no answer, and the Committee then adjourned. That was the
state the matter was left in yesterday.
Mr. HILL said he had argued yesterday that he had a right to proceed
to strike off another vote, and he had understood the decision of the
Committee was that he should proceed.
Mr. LANGDALE (a member)—We had better decide whether we shall
hear the objection.

Mr. Diastole—l deny your power to prevent my being heard.
Mr. FITZIMON (a Member)—We don't want.—(A laugh.)
Mr. THESIGER.—You may close your ears if you like. I don't ask
the permission of any individual member of the Committee. You are a
tribunal, sworn to hear this matter, and I stand upon my strict right.
The short-hand writer then read, at the request of a member of the
Committee, his notes of what took place yesterday.
Mr. Tuestoea.—The Committee have nu right, after the decision
they pronounced yesterday, to entertain the question of the objection to
the vote of Andrew Hare.
The CHAIRMAN—I should like to know how the matter stands. You
object to Mr. Hill's mode of proceeding; then Mr. Hill raises an objec-
tion to your objection.
Mr. THESIGER—And then I object to that.—(Laughter.) I object
to his objection.
The CHAIRMAN—We roust hear his objection.
Sir G. YOUNG—(Addressing Mr. Hill)---you make an application to
strike off this vote, for the purpose of putting yourself in a majority. I
cannot consent to that, without hearing the voter.
Mr. HILL.—I wish to stand on the admission that I received.
Mr. THESIGER —You received no admission ; I deny it again.
Mr. Woon—l heard the admission distinctly.
Mr. THESIGER--(In a violent passion, and turning round to Mr.
Wood)—Mr. Wood, you—(Cries of " Order, order," and great confu-
sion.)—I made no admission ; I deny it most positively ; I really won-
der, Mr. Wood, how you should contradict me,
Mr. WOOD—L heard it distinctly.

Mr. HILL—We had better avoid everything that tends to irritation.
Mr. THESIGER—It was not an admission, but a declaration.
Mr. RUSHTON was convinced his Learned Friend would not persist in
any course in which he might possibly find himself in error. When
this question was mooted, his Learned Friend, Mr. Hill said, " we are
still wanting one vote. Mr. Thessiger said, "No, you are in a majority."
He then asked, was that admitted 7 An answer came from that end of
the table, at which the Counsel and Agents for the Sitting Members sat,
and he was bound to say, he believed from Mr. Thessiger, stating there
was no doubt whatever of the fact.
Mr. TIISSICIER---1 stated that.

Mr. RUSHTON—Upon which I said, we take it to be so. It was
acceded to, and I sat down upon the understanding, and upon no other,
that we were in a majority. The Learned Counsel stated there was no
man at the Bar for whose conduct or character he had higher respect
than that of his Learned Friend; but he must say that no less an autho-
rity and no less a character than that which he brought to the discussion
of that affair could have induced them to repose with perfect cer-
tainty on the distinct declaration made by his Learned Friend.
Mr. Woon, in explanation of what he had said that the admission
was made, stated the question was put to the other side, " Is that fact
admitted ?" and Mr. Thesiger said, " There is no doubt of the fact."

Mr. HILLYARD contended the Committee ought to proceed with the
case unfettered by any thing like admission.

Mr. WRANGHI:II said there had been nothing but an assertion—no
admission.

Mr. HILL said he would ground his case upon the notes of
the short-hand writer—an impartial, sworn officer. The short-
hand writer's note was this—" Mr. Thesiger stated, as the sitting
Members were now in a minority, he would proceed to attack the votes
of Messrs. Hutt and Wood. Mr. Hill stated he was not certain that
was so. Mr. Thesiger said he believed there was no doubt of it."
There had been therefore a sort of agreement between them that the
petitioners were to be considered in a majority. It was not fair or
reasonable that he should be placed in a worse situation now than he
would have been in if the admission had not been made.

Mr. THESIGER apprehended the Committee had no power whatever
to decide between his Learned Friend and himself, in the altercation
that had arisen between them. He would state most positively that
although he made an assertion founded on a snistakh of the fact from
believing they were in a majority, he had made no admission that could
be binding on him. He would not shrink from his duty, nor would he
permit the Committee, without a protest against their power to do so, to
say the objection should not be made by him, and being made, the Corn.
miltee would find it must prevail if they showed any consistency at all
in their decisions.

Mr. O'BRIEN (a Member) had heard the whole of what passed on
the occasion that had been referred to, and he himself had acted on the
conviction that it war agreed the petitioners were in a majority of one.
Mr. TIIESIGEII—That's quite immaterial. No doubt we were all
acting under an erroneous impression.
The room was then cleared, and after an absence of about twenty
minutes, strangers 're re-admitted, and
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The CHAIRMAN said the Committee did not feel called upon to inter.
fere in any arrangement between the Counsel, and that Mr. Hill having
placed before the Committee the vote of Andrew Hare, they would
hear Mr. Thesiger on his own objection.

Mr. THeSIGER then said, Mr. Hill having sought to strike from
the votes of the sitting Members the vote of Andrew Hare, he objected
to his Friend questioning the vote at all, inasmuch as the provisions of
the Act of Parliament had not been complied with by depositing lists
applicable to the petition which had been sent to the Committee for
trial. The decision to which the Committee had already arrived, ren-
dered it unnecessary to go over the ground they had so tediously travelled
together yesterday.
lie called for a uniformity of judgment. The Committee had decided
that the hearing of the lists might be regarded, although the Act of
Parliament did not • require any heading at all.—(A laugh.) For six
weeks had they been assembled, and upon every occasion, when it was
convenient for his Learned Friends on the other side, their lists,
which had since been decided to be a nonentity, were made use of.
Notwithstanding the hardship and the injustice of permitting them
so to deal with their lists, and to treat them as things not in
existence, had been pressed over and over again before the Committee,
yet the Committee at this distant day, after the lists had been
acted on time after time decided they were invalid lists,
and now the Sitting Members' day had arrived.—(Laughter.)
They had been waiting for it long—fortune had brought it to
their door; he thanked the Committee for ther decision, for the very
first time—(a laugh)—and he called upon them to be consistent with
themselves, and to apply that which was the law of yesterday, as the
law of to-day. The petition was stated to be the petition
of Frank Rawson, of George Binks the younger, and of John
Bickerstein, It was signed by George Binks the younger. Accor.l_
log to the decision of the Committee no list on the table had a
heading applicable to that petition. It was headed, "in the matter
of the petition of Frank Rawson, George Binks, and John Bickerstein."
What, George Binks ? George Binks the younger ? No; Geo. Binks,
which without any addition clearly meant the elder Binks, of the name of
George. It was with perfect disgust he approached any argument be-
fore the Committee. He would refer not to his argument., for they
never prevailed, but to the arguments of his Learned Friend Mr. Austin,
which captivated the Committee into a decision that was hostile to the
whole of the inquiry on the part of the sitting Members: The Learned
Counsel, after having expended same time in a most vehement address
to the Committee, and somewhat exhausted himself, concluded by call_
ing upon the Committee to abide by their decision, and his Learned
Friends would have reason to repent that their objection had ever pre-
vailed.

George Robert Bartlett was then called in support of the objection
and stated that he knew G. Binks the elder and G. Rinks the younger
They were both painters. The father was a burgess. " The
son was entitled to vote, but the father was_ not.
Mr. HILL denied there had been any ,adoption of the lists of
the sitting Members. The objection of his Learned Friend could
not prevail for many reasons. In the first place, tae objection
ought to have been taken on the 16th or 18th of March, when
the Committee first met, and before any of the votes were
entered into. It would operate unjustly if this objection were to succeed
after they had been put to an immense expense in bringing up their wit-
nesses. The decision which the Committee came to yesterday could not be
brought to bear on:the present objection. In the one case John Bickerstein
was described as George Bickerton, in the other George Binks was de-
scribed as George Rinks, because whether the younger or the elder he
was Georgeßinks. The decision which the Committees pronounced yes-
terday was perfectly correct ; but it had nothing to do with the present
objection.
Mr. TUESIGER having replied,

The Committee room was cleared.
The Committee decided that the sitting Member's Counsel could net
proceed with their objection to the vote.
Mr. HILL applied for an adjournment.

Mr. MESHIER resisted the application.
The CHAIRMAN (after consulting a few minutes with other Members)
—This Committee is adjourned until Monday.
Mr. THESIGER—This is the first instance of a Committee deciding on
an adjournment on the application of one party, the other party ob.
jetting, and no ground being given for the application.
Mr. FILL—But the ground is plain and intelligible that we can't go on.
The CHAIRMAN—The Committee is adjourned till Monday,