The Sun.
London, England, 1814-11-25 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN F.

HOZTitE OF LORDS, Tn7asn2.o', Nov. 24.
The Doke of NO.itrOLK gave notice, th:it he should at no
distarit day iirepO eto the House a resolution for entering
the nutr.liers in each
.oivision ou the Journals of the House,
as it tvas expedient that the nunihers 'should appear on the
Journals.
'file Exchequer Bills Bills, and Mait Duty Bill were read a
sec.ind time.fhe •
Seamen's Pension 13i11 was read a third time, and
•
passed.
•

- ,AMERICA.
On the reading of one of tne EZehequer Bills
Bill,
The Mike of NORFouc took occasion to advert
to the state of affairs in America. The speech of
the Prince Regent, at the commencement of .the
-Sys- ion had stat.d
_the anxious :lesire of` his Roytil
HiOiness to put an end to hostili, les with Ame-
rica ; and if such was the desire of Government,
they would naturally refrain from every unneces—
sary expression which was calculated to irritate
instead of producing reconciliation. In the tipeeeh
it was stated, that in the war the Americans bail
been (be unprovoked •aggressors. Without dis-
puting about the question, whether this was
Or war not the fact, the expression might
have been spared : and where the object was
to ern-waive, it ought nut to have been inserted.
However, the speed went on to state, th;it the
war had been carried on with success ;. and in that
respect the country had certainly been disappointed,
as evideutly appeared from the snitscquent disasters
On Lake Champlain and in other ipmarters. There
were reports too, that the war was carried on,
not for the support Of Our maritime rights, or of
any great principle, but merely for the aggran-
disement of our territories in that country. A
war carried on with such views, if they could be
supposed to be the views of the British Govern-
ment, could not he expected soon to terminate,
and could hardly- be attended %%ill' ultimate sue-
' tess." The cxpence of such a war Might be greater
than the value of the whole of our posst.ssions in
America : and he therefore hoped that the British
Government would not insist upon any unreason-
able concessions, but conduct the Negociation in
that manner, and with these views which were
best calculated to attain the grand object of the
speedy amid honourable t nation of the con-
test. The Noble Duke also wished to know, why
the official accounts of the transactions at Platts-
burgh were withheld front the public. It was
the duty of the Government to communicate them,
Whenever they arrived in an authentic shape from
the proper Onicer.
The Earl of LIVERPoot. was not aware that
there was any thing in the observations of the
Noble Duke that idled upon hint to trouble* their
Lordships. at any length. Bitt as to the affair On
Lake Champlain, it was knoWn when the Prince
Regent's Speech) was delivered, anti particularly
referred to in that speech. As to the non-publica-
tion of time dispatches r4•ative to the transactions
at Plattsburgh,: Government had sonic time ai:,o
received time accounts of the one description of
service, butt the publication had for reasons, of
whicn the Noble Dnke.-untst be aware, been de-
layed till the accounts of tbe' other description of
service arrived. Ile had now, however, to in-
form the Noble Duke, that the accounts of both
services had been received, tout that those of the
military and naval service- would appear in; The
Gazette of Saturday.

PROPERTY TAX.
The Duke of NoittooLit adverted to the circum-
stance, that an order had hoen sent front the trea-
sury to the Chattiberlain of London, relative to
the Property Tax, iii ‘vhiell'it Was stated, in form
at least, that Ow 'fax was to he continued till
April, 1816 Ile, did not mean at present to dis-
cuss the propriet) or improprie:y of contintting
that Tax, but it it was intended to continue it,
that circumstance ought to be stated as soon as
possible. Pmt certainly a communication such as
that to %di ch he alluded (Aught not to be permit-
ted to prejudge the question whether or not that
tax ought Or ought not to be continued froip the
sth tvf- April.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that the printed
form might poNsibly he us the Noble Doke had
stated it to be, but certainly nothing of that kiwi
could prejudge any question that might be submit-
ted on that subject to the deliberatibu of Parlia-
ment. •

LORD -WALSINGIIAM.
The Earl of LtvattrOoL, "after moving the Or-
' der of the Day fur the consideration of the Ales-
sage respecting an Annuity to Lord IValsingham,
Observed, that it could hardly be necessary for
him, after what had passed on two
.tormer occa-
Sions on this subject, to trouble their Lordships
at any length oil the matter. Their Lordships
had unanimously agreed to an' Address to the
Prince Regent, praying that he would confer
some mark of his favour on Lord Walsingham, for
the ditin,y-,nshed ;Ability, indlistry, and integrity
with which he had discharged the ditties of Chair-
man of the Committees in that HOnse. Their Lord-
ships had carried that Address to the fOot* of the
Throne; and lie trusted that the same unanimity
. which prevailfd on that occasion, would also pre-
vail upon the Motion- which lie Was now to sub-
mit—;•which was, that an Address be.pre;'ented to
*the Prince Regent, assuring his Royal Highness.
of the -concurrence of their Lordships in the object
'to which his Message referred. •
The Doke of NoaFoLa could not content him- •
self with merely a silent vote. From long obsery
.-vations of the conduct of Lord Walsingliani ou
the Committees, he could of his own koowledge
declare that hosiness respecting private and pub..
lie property had been attended to '‘vitli an industry
and ability almost unparalleled in that situation;
that the itioble Lord had given ert;ry assistance
to the Committees that could he rendered by the
most unwearied zeal and industry ; and that the
whole extent had been so methodize(' as most
terially to facilitate the business .of the !louse..
Lie expressed his mast cordial concurrence -in the
motion prOpGsed by the Noble purl. The 4d-
dress was then ngreed- to neut.
NAVAL, ADMINiSTRATION,
The Earl of DoNoooku‘toliE rose to make the
motion of which he had given notice, on die sub:
ject of the Naval Ad:ministration of the coniJry•
The motion was for an Address to the Prince Re-
gent, praying that he would be graciously pleased
to lay on the table, copies Of representations made
tulli4 Royal ilightms on the xvitut of-protect:oil to

trade, by the merchants and ship-owners of Li •
verpool, Glasgow, Port-Glasgow, Greenock, ait4
London. The object of this motion was.tts show,
that there existed in the country an impression
that the naval department bad been improperly
conducted..
Lord iIIELvit.LE did not mean to oppose the
motion, and indeed he stood pledged- to their
Lordship's to agree to it ; but lie now expressed
his complete convictiOn that he could satisft their
Lordships that the
general statcineats or these
papers were unfounded. in every war some
vessels must be captured, but the general state-
ments, as far as they were hitended IO t-Aublkb 3
.case against the Admiralty, were entitely incor-
rect, as he undertook to prove whelk the proper oc-
casion arrive;(. He onAht, however,- to state,
that he was not aware of any rcpt esitition having
been presented to the Prince Itpgeot trout fiondini.
The Earl of DARNLEY expressed his ohligatioll
to the NOble Earl near him, for having in his
absence given notice of a motion for 'the produc-
tion of these papers. This was Vile of wally points
to which he should, probably, be tn'oler the ne-
cessity of calling their Lordships' attention, be-
fore they went into that inquiry to which he was
anxious to bring the utmost impartiality, and, if
he might use the e.xpressioo, a judicial mind.---r
The Noble Lord had, with great • candour, pro-
mised every possible information oti the stihjeet,_
and he had no doubt would willingly supply it.
He• did not wish this to be .talsen-np as a party
question ; but an impression -certaiillyprevailed,
that there had been stone mismanagement_ in the
naval department, and it Was therefore fitting
that there should be some inquiry, especially af-
ter the disasters which had o: casionlly taken
place. It was due to the brave (Mice's and wen who
had fallen in the unequal contests to which they had-
been driven, that the matter should be thoroughly
sifted. One .subject on which it would be neces-
sary to have some information was, the building
of a class of vessels fur the purpose of contending
upon more equal terms with the American sloops
of war. These, instead of answering their pur-
pose, had, if he was rightly informed, been found
to be almost useless. He might he mistaken tot
this point, butt, at all 'events, it-was necessary that
information should be procured respceting it, upon
which the House could rely that it might be as-
certained whether,_after the-experience which the
Admiralty hackle' iced from the disasters that lead
happened to some of our frigates, all this expense
had been incurred without having answered any
good purpose whateoer. On this and other points
he should probably-submit motions to their .Lurd-
ships. - . • • •

The Address. was then agreed to.
The Earl of DONOUGIIMoRE then stated, that
he had another motion to make connected whit
the same subject, for which a precedent 'had oc-
curred at .the period when Lord Siind‘vich was
at the head of the Admiralty." The motion
Was for the weekly accoutos of the state of
the. naval force under S:r Alexander- Cochrane
on the Americas) station, from August last in-
clusive,. up to the latest period at which
,the same
could be made up. "The reason why tie inoved for
this return ‘vas, that he understood that repre-
sentations had been made that the Leander, which
bad bten stationed (It Boston to'ivateb the,c,on-
ttitution Ainetican iiigeite, had been So in acts iii
want of stores, that if the Cons' itution were to
weigh anchor, it would be impossible for the
Leander to give chace. The Nook Lord at the
head of the Admiralty could,. perhaps, inform the
House, whether there was any foundation for this
report.
Lord AIEtvILLE stated, that he must decidedly;
object to the Noble Earl's notion. It had been
stated, that there was a precedent for it , when
Lord Sandwich was at the head of the Admiralty.
Whether there was a precedent tor such an ac-
count being granted he did not know—he had cer-
tainly never seen it ; but, at any rate, to give an
account of the state of our naval force off:I bubtile
station—of what that force was now—had been at
no distant period—and was 'likely to be for sown
time to ,ome—would be attended with so much
mischief, that it was impossible, as he apprehended,
'for their Lordships to agree to this motion, With re-
spect to what the Noble [marl had stated in regard
to the Leauderi he could only say, that he never
had received any information of the description
to which the Noble'Earlhad adverted, Judginp,rip
however, from probabilities and the nature of tiz..
case, he insist say, that it was extremely unlikely
that the Leander should have been in want of
stores, as the Noble Earl had stated. That ship was
in a place where any stores that she might want
could easily he supplied, and where they had been
supplied on former oreaNions; and the whole story
was so excessively improba!Ae, that lie certainly
gave it no credit whatever,

The motion was then put, and negatived.
PEACE PRESERVATION Dr IRELAND.
The Earl of DoNouGuNtottp: rose to bring for-
ward his promised motion on this snbject. The
notice taken in the Speech from the Throne, re-
lative to the situationo4reland, did not, he said,
under the real circumstahces of the case, appear
to hint to be very satisfactory. He adverted to
what was stated as the si;natiou of that coml.
try at the time, when at the close of the last
Sessiim, two measures were proposed in Par.
liament by Mr.> Secretary Peek, as arisin.:.;
out of that situation ; and also- to what .was
recently stated in the present Session 'is to
the altered state of that country, Which •a:ere
held to warrant to a certain extent,- a relaxa-
tion or relincptihment of these meas`ures.
wool(' be. matter of consolation to'him, to think
that the state of that part of the country in-which

oat: of the ineasm es will partieularild, acted opon,
was altered for the better ; but he had-taken ,ome

trouble personally to aseeilain these points, aril
he wai warranted in 'giving a vely differeit
count from that.which %vas stated by a Riga: Eku.
(.3,....ritleatan in anotip'r phke ; and to this ht.' o
ticidarly called their Lordships' attention. The
Noble Earl was proceedin4 to read tvhat seemed
to be a report of ‘,..Ent a 'tight Gvhthinah
had stated in theother I-Tontie of Parliament; ‘rhett
The Lit,tto CaAuctmi..oa observed, Ihe Noble
Earl eonid not allow,. on Stich au ace-anti-
make any statement upon what had passed in
anctherplare:

The Earl of DoNoucr4moitt thought lie
.
regularly refer to what WO 's4tteil by au utliciai