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PA RL I AM ENT,

lIOUSE OF LORDS, MONDAY, MA Y 30.
ROSCOMMON TTERAMI.
Counsel being called to the bar, the Ilouxe Preceed4 to a
Committee of Privileges, when the Earl Of Shaftesbury took the
Chair, and witnesses being examined, the prOCed.ings wet
adjourned.

GARDINER PEERAGE-.
The next proceeding referred to the above Peerage, in which
several eminent Accouchers were examined on particular pair:ch.,
to which it would be improper to refer; when the furtherlr.xtr-
ing was adjourned to Thursday next.
Prayers were now read by the Bishop of Gloucester.
The Appeal of " Scully v. Scully," from the Court of Chan-
cery in Ireland was next proceeded with, when Mr. O'Coonei
was heard out.

EQUITA BLE LOAN COMPANY.
At four o'clock Counsel having been called to the Bar,
The litcounEn, in a speech of three hours, finiahed his ar-
gument against the Bill, to prove the illegality of the Company,
and the injustice and injury which it would do to the trade at
individuals.
Mr. Serjeant SPANICIE and Mr. HANDAL JACKSON pr"-
sented themselves at the Bar to support the interests of the erty•
of London.
Lord DACRE wished to know how the interest of the City
of London could be affected by this Bill ?
The Learned SERJEANT and Mr. RasiDat•Jacxsott con-
tended that the City of London was interested in the question,
and had a right to be heard, inasmuch as no Pawnbrokers were
allowed at present to carry on that business within the City-
without being freemen of the City, whilst the Bill would intro_
duce the Agents of the Company to the prejudice of those
Pawnbrokers who were freemen, and of the City itself.
The Earl of LA EYDERDALE maintained that the
ri
of the City of London to be heard by Counsel had been esta-
blished.
Lord DACRE contended, on the contrary, that nothing had
been said to prove a greater right to be heard on the part of the
City of London than on that of any other large city in the king-
dom. The question for hearing the Learned Gentleman was
then put and negatived.
Mr. nu:Dl:tuck Por.Locx then appeared as Counsel for
the Auctioneers against the Bill.
Lord DACRE did not see how the Auctioneers could claim
to be heard on the question.
The LORD CHANCELLOR was of opinion that the Bill
ought to be thrown tut because the deed was not sound, but
yet he thought that the House ought to hear the arguments of
those who conceived themselves likely to be deeply affected by
the measure.

Mr. F. POLLOCK then, in a luminous and strongly argu-
mentative speech, undertook to prove that the Company was not
only illegal, but that whilst it disdained to be incorporated, it
claimed, and would obtain, if the Bill were passed, all the
powers, and greater ones than those of Corporate Bodies with-
out their responsibility, and with the single exception of not
having a Seal of its own. He Rho charged the Company with
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Earl of L tUI)EI{ DA LE, , resulting to the public from ibetlfsenrteit'htel
establishment.l
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ment of the question, wished to know what course the Counsel
for the Bill intended to pursue ?
31e. HARRISON, as Counsel for the Bill, said, that in the
situation in which the business now stood, he should wish tin- a
little time to consider, and should be ready to address their
Lordships the next day they should fix.
The LORD CHANCELLOR then stated that the Houma
would be disposed to hear Counsel on this business on Wednes-
day next, to which day the business was adjourned.
UNITARIAN MARRIAC ES.
The Earl of .qIA FTESBUR Y.—ln the absence of a Noble
31arquis (I ansdown), I have to move your Lordships to dis-
charge the Order of the Day, which stands for Wednesday, for
the second reading of the Unitarian Dissenters' Marriage Bill.
I have also to move, that the second reading of the Bill may
be appointed for Friday next, and that Noble Lords be sum-
moned for that day.—Ordered.
The Isle of Alan Bill was read a third time, passed, and mes-
saged to the other House.
Upon the motion of the Earl of StIAFTESDORT, their Lord.
ships went into a Committee on the Land Tax Assessment
Bill, and the Irish (Exchequer Bills) Public Works Bill, which
were reported without amendment.
againstTh7ri Er.qpurietsaebniteediALpeittiatinokn ce r
taieAt NNa Earl
El Pawnbrokersoo,fil do, Acl
is their Lordships adjourned to to-morrow
morning at Ten.

HOUSE OF CONIMONIS
This being the last day for receiving Reports on Private
Bills, the House was occupied with business of that nature for
some time.

EDINBURGH AND DA ',KEITH RA IL ROAD.
Upon the motion for the third reading of this Bill,
Sir R. FERGUS,ON moved that it be read this day six
months. The lion. Gentleman declared that the ground of his
opposition was, that the Bill interfered with private property,
without being of any adequate public
,importance.
Sir G. CLERK' supported the Bill.
After a few words from Mr. Kennedy, Nr. S. Wortley, Lord
Binning, Capt. Wemyss, and Mr. W. Dundas,
The House divided.
For the Bill - 22
Against it - - - 63
Majority against the Biil ---4 l
Mr. SPRIN“ RICE presented a petitiOn from the Chamber of
Commerce, Dublin, against the Salmon Fisheries Bill.—Laid
on the table.

On the motion of the same lion. Member a return was or_
dered of the amount and particulars of Judges fees in Ireland,
from the year 1820 to 1824.
The lion. MEMBER also gave notice for an early day of a
motion relative to Penitentiaries in Ireland.
On the motion of Mr. 31ADEHLY, a Return was ordered of
the quantity of flax, yarn, and linen imported and exported
from Great Britain and Ireland, for the years 1824 and 12125.
Mr. 11. Du u MPIOND presented a petition from the Sheriffs'
Clerks ofticothind, complaining of the Scotch Judicature Bill,
that compensation had not been fairly awarded to them by this
Bill.—Laid on the table.
Sir F. 11uRnE•rr presented a petition from the Journeymen
Carpenters, and Joiners of Westtiiinster, against the re-enact-
ment of the Combination Laws.—The Honourable Baronet also
presented a similar petition from personssemployed by Braziers.
Referred to the Committee on the said laws.

JURIES' BILL. .
The Hon. BAROW.LT also presented a Petition from Charles
Pearson, of the City of London, praying that a ClAnse might
be introduced into the Juries' Bill, to extend the Clause relat-
ing to Special Juries. .
• Mr. Secretary PEEL said, the Bill was particularly directed
to the extension of the operation of the Law with reference to
Special Juries.
Mr. BRIGHT said, he should propose a clause up,m tl
third reading upon a very important subject, y 4. the adjourn-
ment of Juries. He thought that practiCs ought to be dis-
continued.

Mr. Secretary PEEL hoped the Hon. Member would allow-
the Bill to go to the Lords, and postpone his clause till next_
year, if he was not particularly pledged to it.
Mr.i BRIGHT said the subject was• one of great importance,
but if it was the wish of the Right Honourable Secretary and
the House, he had too much respect for the Bill itself not to
comply.
Mr. Secretary PUEL said, he willingly admitted the prin-
ciple of the Hon. Gentleman's amendment ; but he WaR su
anxious that the Bill should go to the Lords, that he must re-
quest him to postpone it for the present: In a Bill of so much
importance, he could not possibly consent to admit any clause
without deliberation, especially as regarded the technical ef-
fects of it. This would create a delay which he was desirous
of avoiding, and an opportunity would certainly be furnished
for the amendment next year, as, without doubt, many correc-
tions would be required in a Bill of this-Aature. He was also•
at present engaged in examining in to the loralgurisdictions, upon
which he should probably hare a measure to propose next year.
—( Hear, hear !)
Dr. LUSH INGTON expressed his entire concurrence in the
views of the Right lion. Secretary.
The petition was then read and ordered to lie on the table.

• ROBERT P. F. PI LK INGTON.
Mr. CA I,CRA k"r presented u petition from Robert Peer
French I'ilkington, in custody of the .Sergeant at Arms, for a
breach of the privilege of the• House. The petition, he observed,

-:tined expreisions greatof contrition, and he hoped the
soaAr Would give him permission to bringit up.
The petition was then brought up andread. It stated that
individttal had come from Ireland voluntarily to surrender
!iiinstelf—that he was the sole author and originator of the for-
«eery ; that he meant no disreepect to the House or the Right
'lan. Member who had presented it; and that he was at pee-
• i$ a dangerous state if health.
The petition having been laid on the table,
Mr, Secretary PEEL observed, that-this petition was an ad.
f,..:,;cnal reason to those he lead already submitted to the loose,
r:, extending lenity to this. individual. He moved, therefore,
he be brought to the bar, and, ate- a suitable admonition,
. o...charged.
ilkingion was then brought to the bar in the custody of
tie'ferjeant at ' rms.
; The SPEAKER address.ed him nearly as follows:—" Robert
Pilkington—Your petition has been received, and the
:eivie is disposed totalce it into its favourable consideration. it
unneceseary.for me to enlarge on the nature and magnitude
• your offence ; an offence so insulting to the House, so much
violationcf the right of petitioning, and so degrading and dia-
. F...:eftil to yourself. The House, ready to temper severity
• rciticy, and more anxious to prevent a repetion of the of.
ienee, than to punish the offender, is convinced that the folly
..ad futility of your conduct are a security against its recuerence;
hi consideration of the confinement you have atready suf-
fertd, and of the degrading exposure which has been made of
our conduct, this House is (LipoS2d, without the infliction
:irthre punishment, to order that you be forthwith discharge'',
.i,pnyment of fees."
..4,fter the prisoner withdrew,
Mr. CA LCRAFT Stated that the prisoner was so poor that
it was utterly impossible for him to pay the fees.
Mr. Secretary PEEI. concurred in the statement, and said
tt.at the traction of the Serjeant'a fees would amount to a seta.
te:We of incarceration.
e 7 some conversation, it was understood that Mr. Pil-
► ilg;on was to present-a petition, stating his inability to pay
the fees, anti that the .House would then take the matter into
consideration.

SPECIAL JURY BILL.
Secrnary PEEL. moved the third reading of the Bill.—
f fat it to be his duty to state the great obligations he was
aotier to Mr. nobtmtvie, (ott the- ecretary of State's Office),
and Mr. Gregson, for their great labour in attending to the
ctetaiis of the Bill. The Law. Officers of the Crown had ex-
vessed their praise of the.diligecee and skill of these Gentle-
vlen. Ile should merely add a single clause, that the privileges
to" Parliament were not to be acted by any thing contained in
the Bill.
The clause was then added ; the Bill read a third time, and

SCOTCH JUDICATURE BILL.
On the motion of the _LORD ADVOCATE, the House went
into a Committee on this Bill.
The several amendments were agreed to. •
Upon an amendment being proposed to one- clause for in-
creeeing the number of Judges before whom criminal causes
eleneld be. tried, the Committee divided—
:For the Clause • . . - 33
:For the Amendment - . - 9
Majority - - 24 •
The House having resumed, the Report was ordered to be
received on Thursday.
Mr. S. RICE presented a petition from Richard Pocr Pil-
kiagton, praying to be excused the payment of costs.
The petition was read, and Mr. S. RICE moved the ped-
• tioner be accordingly excused the payment of costs.
After a few words from Mr. CIIOREII, the motion was
agreed to.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. •
Mr. GouLBURN moved the Order of the Day for going into
a Committee of Supply for the purpose of bringing for Ward the
remaining Miscellaneous Irish Estimates.
Mr. S. RICE said, that the estimates included votes for the
support of establishments for Education, anti he therefore °b-
ee. • .
_eected to their being brought forward until the Report of the
ComMiseion on Education was before the House. He tinder=
stood that the Report was teady, and he therefore moved as
an amendment—That an humble Address be presented to his
—.MajeSty, praying that he would be graciously pleased to give
direction, that there be Litt before the House a Copy of the
Report •
_ . • . of the Commissioners of Education in Ireland.
Mr. GOULBURN said, that the report of the Commis-
,. :sinners -voila necessarily •be so, comprehensive and so
irn-
eteertant,e that no Measures could be taken upon them without
I,etomfiderale ivesgtion .cald •such as weuld render it iinpos-
- • produce antiy a
such, measures during the present Session.
- If the lion. Gentleman had waited until the House was in
sornetittee, he should have stated that the Government was
reedy_ to pay the earliest attention to the report of the Commis.
xioncrs, and to adopt as far:as might be deemed necessary their
recommendations. In the present state of the Session. how.
e.-er, it was impossible that any thing could be done until next
:v.?ar, and in the mean time, if the votes for the existing esta-
1111Aments were withheld, they would :be put down before it
. was known whether anything, and, whan.mould succeed them.
Mr. GRATTAN said, that he diii Min wish to delay the
public business, hut lie was unwilling to vote the proposed
g:nnts until the report of the Commissioners was before the
House.
Mr. F. LEWIS eepreseed his deep regret that the report of
t;tz. Commission had not been made at an earlier period. From
.tha particular manner in which his attention had been called to the
sabjects which the Commissioners had to investigate, he had the
-strongest reason to lament this circumstance; but at the same
time the delay had, been so unavoidable that in justice to him-
self and colleagues, he must say that no apology on their ac-
c neut was demanded. Ile thought the •queetion _of education,
was °se of the very greatest importance as to the state of Ireland,
sea upon which depended more than upon any thing else, the
relief "of the misery of that country. He was the more con-
e;rteed of this, front hi% mind having been more closely drawn
to all the dtscaiLe of the subject than that of any other person;
regl therefore it war that he regretted the delay of the report
•-reore than other persons could do. It was-impossible that the
nleione and recommendations of the Commission could be so
nett forward as to be understood and' fairly considered
the present year, and particularly in Ireland, where
wsit particularly desirable that they should be fully:known.
I therefore did net see how . any thing could-be gained by de-
. I.tring time Estimates. He was firmly convinced that some final
tiNjuettrent of the question of education must be made, anti
brine'establishment of some general system by which-all •
• -c,:t ;oaten- classes in Ireland,- without distinction, must be.edu-
- vete& A plan would be recommended-by the Commissioners,
which he thought must eventually meet the corthal support of j
parses.
Mr. HUTCHINSON said, he had no doubt but that
tire system recommended by the Commissioners would he ;
nerfectlee liberal and calculated to meet the situation of the
.
. I'4 .r. S. -RICE: proposed that the Resolutions should now be
•
i. t:yeti the-Comtnitteee with .the understanding that there
snield be a discussion upon the bringing up of the Report,
the Report-of the Commissioners should be before the
171tiste,
" l''flrlSA-ietery PEEL said 'that the Report had come to Lie
lesserdif that day ; -and to slew the anxiety of the Government
seetsernmunleate it to the House, he would state that uponee-
- etiving it he immediately sent for the Printer, and ordered it
is with all possible expedition. It was very corn.
containing 500 pages.of writing, besides (as we an-
' `eerritood) the Appendix's contait.ing the evidence. Ile should
:encopose that the -Committee might go through the votes now,:
-Rj fix the bringing up the Report for. Friday. By granting.
tsetse votes'" Hon. -Members would -be. understood as givirne tio-
eiiedge as to the future maintenance. of the existing establish:.

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E said, that these estimates would he as well car-
- •'• • twig three weekshence as now. If they were passed any time.
Wfore the introduction of the appropriation Act, it would an.
aver the same purpose.
(NIA NCE 1-1,0 it of the EXCIIIQUER.couId not see
‘• sly thing would he obtained by the proposed delay, as no new
reessurc of education founded upon the recommendation of the
• report, could by possibility come before- thee llottits:durkig the
. pet:sent Seiiiion.
ee* . Secretary PEEL, said the better way mould be. to
wa;t for the evidence, hart to have the abstract and summary of
the flor.smitsioners as leoen as it was ready. Ile prOrnised that
' it frhould be proditced forthwith.
"141". lefr.-.S: RICE expressed himself aatiaflod, and withdrew his
I'l./ Lrenexiitnern.
"i47°'' "g * Meerat,ge from the Lora announced that their Lordships
agreed to various Rills. • • - ,
-1114 e [louse then went into a Committee of Supply.
5:r"411' • • 111 1 SCE LLA NEOUS ESTIMATES.
. Mr. tilotirewrrax then moved the tollowing votes, •whieh,
llfini;c:,..sere agreed to- withoutnbservation : •
'041201 -13 'IF*. the support of the Protestant Charter Schools in
tialand .- X 64000
thellotiety for Dieemintenancing Vice in. Ireland 2,000
'no die Society for VAlucatiog the Poor in Ireland -
Par the Foundling Hospital in !Nib:in • . - - 10,000
Upon the resolution being propoeed for granting 4.5,L001. for,
PNiblie Works in. Ireland, ,
Mr. li (151 E inquired *hat Val the nature of these works,
sad whether this grant *al ttedefray expen cen already interred,
and whether any futurtegtant TOpiti he required. s
Mr. GQIIILIIIIRN said, that theUon. Membermight have
informed himself u: the nature of these works froni several. re-
ports now before'the House, which had been made by the dif-*
farellt Enseineers employed. The works were commenced .in
a throe ofgreat distress, when the population were without em.
pier-neat, aril, they had been gradually proceeding from time
is tirue a 2 the,peciods of disteess and want of een.ployeee Sat re.