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all. Now, as a disclaimer distinctly showed to what extent a
speaker intended to go, and to what extent he did not
intend to go, every fair listener to a speech paid
great attention to a disclaimer, in order that he might cor-
rectly appreciate the speaker's object. It was not to charge
the gallant and honourable profession of the navy to say that
head-money had an injurious tendency. When the Noble
Lord read three or four pages of his (Lord Brougham's)
speech to their Lordships, he should have taken his dis-
clejrner also into the account ; he should have recollected
that he (Lord Brougham) had said, that although in some
cases the effect which be deprecated might occur, yet in all
the tendency to produce that effect existed. It was only the
tendency of head-money on which ho dwelt. It might be
that every now and then a case occurred ; but it was
against the tendency to produc a cases that he protested. The
tendency was that no slave-ship was likely to be captured
until she weighed enough to make it worth while to cap-
ture her. If this tendency was not followed by acts,
no thanks to the system. The system he had condemned ;
but he denied, anxiously, elaborately, and prolixly denied,
that it produced the effects which might be expected from it.
Every now and then it might produce them ; for it had an in-
evitable tendency to produce them. Naval officers were men,
men. Were sailors the only infallible persons in the world ?
The holding out the temptation of head-money clearly showed
that it was supposed they would do more with that temptation
than without it. Did the navy mean to set up for being en-
tirely immaculate ? Did they mean to let the flag of in-
fallibillity fly at their mast head ? Did they think of putting
him down in that manner? What he had said was, that the
System had the tendency which he ascribed to it. In time and
except by a miracle, it must occasionally have the effect which
he had ascribed to it. That was no charge against the whole
naval profession ; that was no charge which ought to
make every naval officer, from the man who wore a brace
of epaulets on his shoulders down to the little midship-
man, to take fire. His charge was against the tendency of
a system upon a body of gallant men, thanks to whom,
however, it generally failed to produce the effects that
might be expected from it. If the Noble Lord could not see
the difference between two distinct things—between a state-
ment and a disclaimer—between a rule arid an exception—and
still persisted that although perhaps the remonstrance a little
too strong, it was perfectly justifiable, he (Lord Brougham)
would only say that the Noble Lord had just as little acute-
ness in his defence as those whose counsel he had made himself
had shown in their charge. Falsehood meant, not only im-
posing what was not true as fact, but by imposing it, knowing
at the same time that it was not true. Now he (Lord
Brougham) had given his authorities for what he had stated;
he had given the authority of Captain Laird ; he had given
the authority of Mr. Oldfield. On those authorities he had
rested the statement which he had made to their Lordships.
Now a word as to the time which had elapsed since that state-
ment was made. The Noble Lord said it was evident it must
create great soreness in the naval profession, and that some of
i,s members would rush to its defence. How was it then,
that his speech, having made on the 29th of January, nothing
had occurred until the Ist of March, when the shell
of their indignation had • taken fire and exploded ?
Did the slow match at the Admiralty burn so very slowly,
not only that it was not necessary to time it by a stop-watch,
but that any one would be safe in passing the building during
. a whole month ? The fuse of this shell had burnt dully during
the whole of February ; but on the Ist of March it went off,
making a fizzing and offensive explosion. There was nothing
distinct, clear, or dreadful in the blowing up. The pot merely
burst, with an offensive explosion ; and thus March having.
come in like a lion, might, perhaps, according to the old
proverb, go out like another quadruped.
Lord MELBOURNE said that if the Noble and Learned
Lord's position was a good one, that it ritability of feeling and
intemperance of language showed that there was something
wrong on the part of those by whom they were exhibited.
the Noble and Learned Lord had certainly brought him-
self within the scope of his own axiom. He ( Lord Mel-
bourne) perfectly agreed with his Noble Friend near him
that it was not at all surprising, considering what the
Noble and Learned Lord had said in the speech in question,
that gallant officers, men of high honour and of quick and
lively feelings, should be anxious to defend their profession
from the grave imputations which had been cast upon them by
the Noble and Learned Lord. The Noble arid Learned Lord
disclaimed these imputations, and so did the writer to whose
authority he had referred. Ile ( Lord Melbourne) gave to
both full credit for their disclaimers. But certainly their was
a little inconsistency in the argument which they employed,
Ile would not, however, enter into any further argument, or
discussion on the subject. But he could not sit down without
observing that the Noble and Learned Lord bad gone much
further than he ( Lord Melbourne) had ever known any one
go in animadverting upon the debates and proceedings in the
other House of Parliament, The Noble Lord had not only
defended himself from the charge brought against him in the
other House of Parliament, but he had freely animadverted
upon the manner in which all the proceedings in that HHouse
were carried on, and even upon the conduct of the indi-
vidual who held the highest station in that House. 'kb.
Noble and Learned Lord had not only accused of prejudice
and partiality the Hon. and Gallant officer, who, „n the
floor of the other House, had brought a charge against him,
but he had ascended higher, and had asked why the charge,
had been allowed to pass without observation from the greatest
authority in the House. Now, it should be recollected that
the Noble and Learned Lord, by publishing his speech in
the shape of a pamphlet, had given an opportunity to any
Hon. Member of the other House to allude to or quote it
• without any breach of order. No imputation of partiality or
neglect of duty could rest, therefore, on the high authority by
which the Hon. and Gallant officer who had adverted
to the Noble and Learned Lord's observations was allowed
to proceed without interruption. For himself (Lord Mel-
bourne), who bad not read any report of the proceedings
in question, he reposed such perfect coufidence in the im-
partiality of the Right Honourable Gentleman who pre-
sided in another assembly, that he was quite sure there
was no ground whatever for the imputation which the Noble
and Learned Lord had endeavoured to cast upon him. ll°
was perfectly certain that under his authority the delibera-
tions of the other House were conducted strictly according
to the orders, rules, and forms of Parliament, and that he
held the scales with the perfect equality between contending
patties, which the Noble and Learned Lord had so well de-
scribed it was his duty to do.
The motion was then agreed to.
The Duke of WELLINGTON observed that there were
many cases in which the captors of slave chips had been
compelled to assert their claims in a court of law, and were
subjected to very large expenses in consequence. In !Irani.
instances in which they failed in producing legal proof 0
their rights they were condemned in costs. Now, he thought
it very desirable that in addition to the returns which had
just been ordered on the motion of the Noble Lord, their
Lordships should have some account of the expenses to which
he had alluded. He was not then prepared to make a mo-
tion for the production of these papers, but he would do s°
next week.

The Earl of MINTO observed that it was very important
that the House should be in possession of the information al-
luded to by the Noble Duke.

UPPER CANADA.

The Archbishop of CANTERBURY gave notice that on
Thursday next he would present a petition from the Pro-
testant inhabitants of Upper Canada, praying for protection
to the Established Church in that province.
At half-past six o'clock their Lordships adjourned till
Monday.

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