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To cover the Deficiency in the Grant for 1821, Bills,
Reports, and other Papers, by Order of the House
" of Commons -

For Printing in the present Session - - -
To cover the Expence of Printing the 77th Volume of
the Journals.of that House, being for the present
Session - - - - 1,750
On a Grant being moved for Foreign and other Secret Ser-
vice, of 40,0001.,
Mr. HUME wished to know for what purpose so large a
grant had been proposed? In. former times of peace half that
sum he believed had been considered sufficient. He could not
conceive for what it could be wanted. His opinion, howeVer,
was, that it could be desired for no good purpose. If the money
were to be properly applied, Ministers need not be afraid of
stating to the House how it was to be disposed of. He was of
opinion that 4010001. was too much, and thought 15 or 20,0001.
might be sufficient.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, if the lion. Gen-
tleman wished to know what sum had been voted for Secret
Service in former years, he could move for the account, and no.
objection would be made to printing it. If he wished Ministers
to answer the question, how the Secret Service Money was to
be applied, he must say it was an Irish proposition, as if the in-
formation called for were given, the grant in tjuestion would be
no longer far " secret services." The money granted for Se-
cret Service by Mr. Burke's Bill was disbursed by persons
acting under the obligation of an oath. He, of course, would
not enter into any detailed .explanation ; but he' had no hesita-
tion in saying, that a considerable portion of the charge arose
from services performed during the war, and was expended in
small portions. He could not state the exact sum, but lie be-
lieved about 24,0001. was to meet expences incurred during
the war.
Mr.-HUME still thought the sum a great deal too much,
and was of opinion there could be no harm in putting'the per-
sons who received the pensions on regular list.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that what the Hon.
Gentleman had suggested could not very easily be done where
the names of the parties must be concealed, and the services
which they had performed could not be stated. He repeated
the assertion, that more than half the grant proposed was re-
quired on account of services performed during the war. If
the Hon. Gentleman wished to compare the present grant with
former grants, any information he desired would be granted:.
Mr. HUME remarked; it had come out last year.that part of
the secret service money was expended in proceedings against
the late Queen on the Milan Commission. This was that
which had never been contemplated when the Sums so applied
had been granted. What was so entrusted to Ministers might
be misapplied, and therefore he considered the sum which had
been moved for too large.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thought the subject
now touched upon might more naturally have been brought
forward last year. If. the Hori. Gentleman chose to raise, a
question on it, he should be prepared to contend that the se-
cret service money was most evidently applicable to the pur-
pose which had been alluded to. The sums so granted were to
be expended for the service of the country either at home or
abroad. That which . was distributed at home, as well as that
which was disbursed abroad, was applied under the obliga:.
tion of an oath. He would' contend that it was a legitimate
and proper application of the Secret . Service money on what
the Honourable Gentleman had made the subject of com-
plaint, though afterwards it had been brought before the
House in another shape, and paid by them as a public charge,
when the service to which it had been applied was no longer
secret. _ _

Mr., HOBHOUSE objected to the grant. It was last year
but 25,0001., and he thought some explanation ought to be given
of the circumstances which had made 40,0001. necessary. It
ought to be shewn how, in time of peace, so much was wanted
to bribe agents (for it came to that) to watch the proceedings
of foreign, powers. Our great name; and the great force kept
up at our expence, ought to save us from such a charge. The
authority of Air., Surke on this subjeCt he held to be of little im..
portance, as he thought he could quote from him opinions for
and against every line of politics, that could be pursued.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that they had not
merely Mr. Burke's authority for the application of secret ser-
vice money, but they had that of the law of the land. It was
true that last year 25,0001. was taken for secret service, but that
was because a large sum remained in hand from the grant of
the preceding year. The grant was not expected to be the same
every year. When the Honourable Gentleman assumed that
the money . thus called for could only be' wanted for purposes of
bribing in foreign parts, he cculd not corroborate what he had
advanced, though he could not enter into the subject.
• Mr. HOBHOUSE did not mean to use the term bribery in
the grossest sense of the word.. It was, however, well known,
that in dealing with Foreign Powers it was necessary to use
a silver spear. The Noble Marquis had,
,he believed, known
this from experience, and had used that weapon with"no"siriall
success. He thought Ministers ought to explain why so larg e
a grant was called for; and hoped that unless they did so, his
Hon. Friend would submit some proposition to the House
which would enable them to come to a vote on it. • •
Mr. ARBUTHNOT reminded the Committee, that last yea-
he had said he would take but a small' vote for secret service,
in consequence of there being a large sum remaining on hand
from the former grant. • In point of fact, the estimated sum for
last year was 65,0001. instead of 40,0001.
The Resolution was put and carried without a division.
The following Sums were then moved for :
Tor the Fee Fund in the Department of the Treasury, and
Secretary of State - - 72,000
For Contingent Expences, Messengers, and other
Charges in the Lord Chamberlain's Department 78,794
On this Grant a conversation of some length occurred, in
which the Marquis of Londonderry, Mr. flume, and Sir. Ben-
net participated.
In the course of the observations Mr.' BENNETT moved a
reduction of 10,0001. making the sum 68,7941.
The Committee haring divided en the amendment, the num
bers WQ/C

For the. Amendment
Against it
Majority. -
The, resolution was then agreed to.
The sum of 7,8911. Gs. 2d. was proposed for defraying the
allowances, compensation, and superannuations, for persons in
public offices, under the provisions of an Act pimed in the 50th
year of his late Majesty.
Mr. HUME objected to the Estimate, on the ground that
provisions in the way of pensions to Consuls ought to be made
out of the Civil Contingencies. .
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY stated that Parliament
was regularly called upon to vote the Estimate, and that the
amount ought not to come out of the Civil Contingencies. The
Consuls who received pensions were aged persons, who had
seen forty and fifty years service.
After a few observations from Dr. PHirwmonE, Mr. BEN-
NETT, Mr. ARBUTHNOT, and Sir R. WILSON, the Resolu-
tion was agreed to.
For the Civil Establishment at Sierra Leone £22,176 12 10
For defraying the charges of New South Wales 13,347 6 0
For the Civil Establishment of Newfoundland 6,488 10 0
For ditto at Prince Edward's Island 3,520 15 0
For ditto at New Brunswick 6,757 10 0
For ditto at Nova Scotia 15,098 17 6

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-For the Civil Establishment of Upper Canada 11,992 10 0
For ditto in the Island of Dominica , 600 0 0
The sum of 3,5061. having been proposed for the expences of
the Bahama Islands,
hlr. PETER MOORE said, he was authorised once more
to claim those Islands for a Gallant Friend, an Admiral in the
British service. His Gallant Friend was ready to receive the

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Lunce 1° die Aprilis 1822.
,

DURHAM PAVING AND LIGIITING BlLL—Petition of

Owners and Occupiers of Property in the City of Durham,
against, to lie on the table.
GAS LlGHT—Stockton, and Dover—Bills read a second time,
and committed. Wigan—Bill presented, and read a first
time. Glasgow—Bill read a third time, and passed. -
EDINBURGH QUEEN-STREET GARDENS IMPROVEMENT—

Bill read a second time, and committed.
TTL-E-IFIAMPTO2sT BRIDGE AND ROADS BlLL—Petition of
Owners or Occupiers of Lands in Amberley; also, adjoin-
ing to the River Arun, in the parish of Stopliam ; also, in
.the parish of Cold Waltham ; also, in the parish of Pulbo-
rough against, to lie on the table till second reading. Peti-
tion of Inhabitants of 'Worthing, in favour of, to lie on the
table.
ROADS—MoId, and Drayton Lane—read a second time, and
committed. Barlow, and Guldeford and Farnham—report-
ed, to be ingrossed.
COVENTRY GAOL—Petition for leave to present a Petition for
a Bill, referred to a Committee.
GREENWICH CHURCH—Petition for Bill reported, Report to
lie on the table.
BRAY DRAINAGEAMEZ.,TDMENT BILL
Pay 'NG—Tiverton, and Alnwick Bills read a 2d time,
LIVERPOOL CHURCHES and committed.
NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE GAOL
TOLLS
SMALL DEBTS—Petition from Uxbridge, in favour of a Small
Debts till—to lie on the table.
INELosußEs—Seaton, &c. (Cumberland)—reported, to be in-
grossed. South Dalton (York)--read a second time, and
committed.

LIVERPOOLWATER BlLL—Petition of the Select Vestry of
Liverpool, against, referred to the Committee on the Bill ;
Counsel ordered.

AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS—Petition from Kingston-upon-
Hull—to lie on the table. Petitions from Linlithgo w; and
Wharton-Lto lie on the table, and to be printed.
SALT TAX—Petition of Shippers of White Salt, of Liverpool,
against—to lie on the table, and to be printed.
INNKEEPERS' BlLL—Reperted ; to be read a third time this
day.
MALT AND COUNTERVAILING DUTIES (IRELAND) ACTS
—Resolutions reported ;
1. " That for all. dry Malt, , unground, which on the 25th
day of February, 1822, shall be in the stock of any Nlaltster or
Make of Malt for sale, or Factor or Dealer in Malt, or Com-
mon Brewer or Distiller, in Ireland, for which the Duties pay-
able by Law shall have been duly charged or paid ; and also,
for all Malt chargeable with Duty in respect of all Corn or
Grain which at any time on or after the said 25th day of Fe-
bruary, 1822, and before the sth day of March, 1822, shall be
inprocess of being made into Malt, in the Malting-house or
Premises of any Maltster or Maker of Malt for sale ; there shall
be allowed and paid the sum of 4s. British currency, en and fig
every barrel of Malt charged or chargeable with, or which shalt
have paid, the Duty of 145."
2. That from and after the 25th copy of February, 1822, the
Drawback or Allowance made King
an Act made in the
59th year of his late Majesty King George the. Third, on Beer
or Ale made in Ireland, and exported to any other place than
Great Britain, shall be repealed, and shall cease and deter-
mine ; and that from and after the said'2sth day of February,
1822, instead of all former Drawbacks on Beer or Ale made in
Ireland and exported to any other place than Great Britain,
there shall ,be paid to every person who shall legally export
from Ireland to any other place than Great Britain, any
Strong Beer or Ale made or brewed in Ireland, the Draw-
back and Allowances following ; that is to say,—For every bar-
rel of such Beer or Ale, the sum of 53. 6d. British currency,
and no more."

3. " That on all Spiriti made or distilled in. Ireland from
Corn or Grain, malted or unmalted, at any time after the 25th
day of February, 1822, and on which all Duties imposed by
Law thereon shall'be paid, and which shall be exported from
Ireland, otherwise than from his Majesty's warehouses, to any
place except Great Britain, there shall be allowed and paid $
Drawback of ss. 104 d. for every gallon of such Spirits of a
strength not exceeding twenty-one, per centum above proof .by
Sikes's hydrometer, and so in proportion for any less degree of
strength, not being less than seven per centam above proof by
Sikes s hydrometer, in lieu of all Drawbacks allowed or made,
payable on such Spirits under any Act or Acts in force in Ire-
land."

4. " That, from and, after, the 25th day, of February, 1822,
the Countervailing Duty of 16s. 2d. imposed by an Act made
in the 59th year of his late Majesty King George the Third,
upon Irish Strong Beer, Ale or, Mum, imported or brought in-
to Great Britain directly from Ireland, shall cease and deter-
mine, except as to any arrear thereof ; and that, in lieu there-
of, the following Countervailing Duty of, Excise shall be levi-
ed,, charged, collected, and paid :—For and upon every barrel,
consisting, of thirty-six gallons English Beer measure, of Irish
Strong Beer, Ale, or Mum, which shall be imported or brought
into Great Britain ditectly froth Ireland, an 'Excise Counter-
vailing Duty of 9s. 2d. and no more : and that, upon the ex-
portation from Great Britain into Ireland, after the said 25th
day'of February, 1822, of any Strong Beer, Ale, or Mum,
made in Great Britain, there shall be allowed and paid a Draw-
back equal in amount to the said Countervailing Duty so pay-
able on Strong Beer, Ale, or Mum, made in Deland and im-
ported into Great Britain, and no more."
5.." That from and after the 25th day of February; 1822,
the Countervailing Duty of 9s. 9d. British currency, on every
barrel of Beer or Ale containing 32 gallons, brewed or made
in Great Britain, and imported from
thenceinto Ireland, grant-
ed by an Act made in the 59th year of his late Majesty King
George the Third, and the equivalent Drawback on the expor-
tation from Ireland to Great Britain, of Beer or Ale made or
brewed in Ireland, shall be repealed, and shall cease and de-
termine."

6. " That from and after the 25th day of February, 1822,
the Countervailing Duty of 6s. imposed by an Act, made in
the 59th year of the reign of his late Majesty King George the
Third, upon Spirits made or distilled in Great Britain, and im-
ported into Ireland from Great Britain, cease and deter-
mine,, except as to any arrear thereof ; and that in lieu thereof,
the following Countervailing Duty ,shall be charged, levied,
collected, and paid : that is to say,—For and upon every gal-
lon, -Irish wine-measure, of Spirits which shall be made or dis-
tilled in Great Britain, and which shall be imported into Ire-
land from Great Britain, at a strength not exceeding twenty-
one per centum above proof,'the sum of ss. 6d. British curren-
cy, and so in proportion for every less degree of strength, not
being, less than seven per centum above proof."
Resolutions agreed to.; instruction to Gentlemen appointed
to bring in Malt Duties Repeal Bill, to make Provision accord-
ingly.
NOTICES OF MOTIONS for THIS DAY.

1. Mr Charles Eaivert,—Bill to regulate the sale of Bread in
the Metropolis:
2. Mr. Stuart Wortley,—Select Committee on Petition of Henry
Burgess, for remuneration of his expences incurred in the
plan for an Extra Post.
3. Mr. Hume,—Expences; Board of Trustees for promotion of
Manufactures (Scotland) ; , also, Expences of Commis-
sioners for encouragement of Fisheries.
ORDERS OF THE DAY for THIS DAY.
1. Superannuation Act Amendment Bill—Further considet
tion of Report.
2. Summary Proceedings Bill—Committee.
3. Supply—Reports.
4. Commercial Credit (Ireland) Bill—Committee.
5. Innkeepers' Bill—Third Reading.
6. Flax and Cotton Act—Report thereupon.
7. Excise Duties and Licenses Acts—Report thereupon.
PRIVATE BlLLS—Second Readings for This Day.
I. Duxford Tnclosure 15. Axminster Road

2. Dringhouses Inclosure 6. Surrey New Roads
3. Effingham and Ibsley In- 7. Durham Paving
closure 8. Little-hampton Bridge an
4. Leatherhead Road - Roads.