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undue influence at the election, would be found to lest on
as slight grounds as any charge possibly could. lie should
at present say but little upon the subject, but he begged to
state that he should have a petition to present from a
a gentleman of high respectability and honour, he alluded
to Mr. M'Caston—(Loud cries of hear, hear,)—who con-
ceived himself greatly injured by the Committee having
allowed hearsay evidence to be received highly injurious to
his character.

Sir R. INGLIS slid, the ordinary practice was, that
the Chairman of the Committee should move that the
writ do issue, and unless the Chairman announced that
there were special circumstances, the writ issued almost as
a matter of course. In this case there teas no reason to
depart from that rule.—(Hear.)
Sir HENRY lIARDINGE said that there was nothing
to justify the House in arresting the writ ; if there
had been, the Committee would have so reported; and with
regard to the other part of the question he conceived it
unjust to make observations until the evidence was printed,
and i❑ the hands of the Members.—(Hear, hear.) Ile
should feel happy when the time arrived that a full expla-
nation should be given upon this subject on the part of the
Gentlemen connected with the Government of Ireland.

Mr. GRATTAN spoke in favour of the adjournment
of the deb ite until the evidence was printed.

Mr. HUME was surprised at so army objections being
urged to the suspension of the writ. It appeared
to him that if bribery be proved to such an extent
as to deprive Members of their seats, and that certain offi-
cial persons had exercised an undue influence in the elec-
tion, the House should refuse to issue the writ, and not give
those persons another opportunity of immediately exercising
the sime undue influence again. Tht re were quite suffi
cient grounds to suspend the writ until the evidence wis
before the liouse.—(lfenr.)
Mr. C. FERGUSON hoped the adjournment would be
agreed to.

Mr. R. GORDON observed that hereafter he would
probably adopt some ulterior measures, but the -e would
he in his capacity, not as Chairman the Committe., but
as an individual of the House. The issuing of the writ had
nothing whatever to do with any nieasure he might hereafter
adopt against the official persons complained of.—(Hear.)
Respecting the acts of bribery, they had undergone much
discussion, but the Committee did not think it so gross as
that of Liverpool, and therefore they did not feel justified
in resorting to any such measure as was adopted in the
Liverpool case.—(Hear.)

Mr. MABERLEY said this was a case in which the
suspension of the writ was not justified. If bribery was a
reason for suspending a writ, then every case in which
any bribery was proved would be attended with that re-
sult. It was only in cases where considerable bribery was
proved that the House had suspended writs. In the case of
the Evesham elect'on considerable bribery was proved,
and the House suspended the writ until by the dissolution
of the House a new writ was ordered to issue. In this case
undue influence exercised by certain individuals in the
service of Government might be a ground for ulterior pro-
ceedings against those individuals, but it was no case for
suspending the writ. —(Hear. )
Mr. \VILKS said the suspension of a writ was one of the
most extreme constitutional measures that could be adopted,
and nothing but the most gross misconduct in the voters could
justify the House in resorting to such a step.—(Hear.) In
this case the Committee had proved themselves superior to
all party or political feeling—(Hear)—and any recom-
mendation emanating from them should meet with great
consideration.—( Hear.) That Committee had not feat
that the constituent body of Dublin were so implicated
as to recommend that the electors should be deprived of
the immediate exercise of their elective franchise.—(Hear,
hear.) The wi it ought to be immediately issued, and then,
with cqu tl alacrity let the charges against individuals be in-
vestigated, and it guilty, let them meet with punishment.
Even the suspension of the writ for Liverpool, for so long
a period, he considered a very hard measure.—(Hear.)
Mr. R. COCKRURN said that the Committee never
contemplated the suspension of the writ.—(Hear.)
Mr. LEFROY, jun. supported the issuing of the writ,
leaving the rest of the report to be hereafter fairly discussed.
Mr. H. HUGHES wished to understand whether the
Hon. Chairman of the Committee had given notice that
he would adopt some ulterior proceedings.
Mr. R. GORDON wished to have an opportunity of
reading the whole evidence. It was probable he would
adopt some ulterior proceedings, but he would not pledge
himself to do so.

Mr. F. BARING thought it great injustice to a re-
spectable body of freemen, if the House delayed the writ
one moment

Mr. HUNT said that he could not allow so many
observations to pass without stating that it came
out in evidence that there were at letst one thousand five
hundred which he would call fictitious votes.—(A cry of
" No, no, no.") Not that they had full proof of it,
but that there were 1500 freemen, every one taking
a false oath, and then receiving bribes for his vote. He
hail no hesitation in saying that the very head of the Go-
vernment in behind was implicated. And if the Ho-
nourable Chairman of the Committee did not bring
this important subject forward, he woulti. When the evi-
dence was printed, the House would see it was imposible
to allow such things to pass without adopting some ulte-
rior measure.

Lord UXBBIDGE could assure the House he should
not have intruded on their notice, bad it not been for the
expression of the Honourable Member for Preston,
that the head of the Government was implicated. He
was certain the head of the Government wished the fullest
inquiry. And he was perfectly sure that the result would
free him from any such gross charge.
After some further observations from Mr. hunt, the
Speaker, Lord G. Lennox, and Sir C. Forbes, the House
divided, when there appeared, for the amendment,
Ayes
Noss
Majority for issuing the writ.... 25
Mr. HUNT presented a petition from one of the Man-
chester Political Unions, praying the House to pass the Re-
form Bill into a law without delay, as a means of prey, nting
irritation, and probably convulsion, in the country. The
petitioners prayed also fur the protection of the ballot, and
hoped that if any alterations were to be made in the Bill,
that the ten-pound franchise might be decreased.
After some observations from Sir T. FREMANTLE,
Sir R. Iwcus, and Mr. HUNT, the petition was ordered
to be printed.
The How. MEsiliErt also presented a petition from
the National Union of the Working Classes of the Metro-
polis, complaining of the Corn Laws, and praying for the
repeal of the transportation, population, and starvation
laws, which had the effect of forcing persons to transport
themselves.

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Mr. HUME begged to correct the latter statement
of the Honourable Member. There was no intention,
nor did he believe the laws referred to would have the
effect anticipated by the petitioners.
Mr. PORTMAN bore testimony to the statement of
the Hon. Member for Middlesex, but he thought every
Government was bound to facilitate the removal of their
subjects from one part of the world to another.
Mr. BUNT, in moving that the petition be printed,
thanked the lion. Member far Middlesex for putting him
right if he was wrong, which he did not think he was,
for he had no doubt those things to which the petitioners
referred would be the means of forcing transportation.—
What the petitioners wanted was not to be taxed with the
expences ot the emigration of others.
The SPEAKER then asked who seconded the motion
for the printing of the petition, and no Member rising to
signify his intention,
Mr. O'CONNELL rose—He tru•ted the House would
allow the petition to be printed. There might, however,
be nonsense in it, but there was nothing dero-
gatory to the House. The petitioners stated their
distress, and their belief that it was occasioned by a parti-
cular arrangement, but they were wrong in the principle
which they adopted.
Lord ALTHORP observed that the House was always
anxious to receive petitions respectfully worded. The
present petition was far from being so, and it was signed
by only two persons. Under such circumstances he
thought the House would be justified in not allowing it to
be printed.
Mr. HUME was prepared to subscribe to a great part
of the petition. He should have no objection to see all
the sinecurists transported out to Canada.
The SPEAKER—Do you second the motion ?
Mr. HUME—No, the terms in which the petition was
couched would not, in his opinion', add to the character
and dignity of the House by allowing it to he printed ;
the same effect might be conveyed in much more objec-
tionable language. If, however, the Hon. Member would
allow the petition to lie on the table till to-morrow, he
would read it, and see if he could second its being printed.
Mr. HUNT had no objection. He then presented a
petition from the Westminster Union, which was signed by
two persons relative to the grant to Princess Victoria.
It had been stated in the House when he opposed that
measure, that no man with decent feelings would have
made objections to it. Ile was sorry the Hon. Member for
Westminster was not in the House, as it came front
a great body of his constituents. He begged to
call the attention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer
to the proposition made by the petitioners, which was
that instead of granting this money out of the pockets ot

the poor people, they would take it from the untneritol
wealth of the Church.—(Laughter.)
Sir R. INGLIS oppos d the petition, which, aftersoo
further discussion, was ordered to lie on the table. ,
Mr. HUNT also presented a petition from the We'' I
minster Union, complaining of an unjust War now 04
on betwem Russia and Poland, st sting that the,'
had presented a memorial to Lord Palmerston,
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,f Polanl, which memorial the Noble Lord treated te'" Just ,_' '
lisrespect, and praying his dismissal from the Coaecilge'[ AL as, ~Putilisl
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,is Majesty.—(Great laughter.)
Lord PALMERSTON observed, that it was not fro"ivaltish, cIIEN
fly disrespect toward the Westminster Union that he I'll With
a enders c
leclined giving any information relat've to the war belKitst,
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ween Russia and Poland.
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Mr. HUME observed, that although this was a ROT
vhich was treated with levity by some, it was one whicl °Y JOHIN
he whole of the country felt great anxiety about, s°' lisintrnarY to tl
t appeared to him fit on his p art to put this questio°' ()f wr for Lon
mow far his Majesty's Alinista re had interfered in any "r!: An 17,41„, may 1
my remonstrance or otherwise, with regard to the ease ' of BOTANY I RODI
he unfortunate Poles up to the present moment the 110"I4
01P IS '
vas in utter ignorance upon the subject.
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Lod PALMERSTON did not make any reply, -r -ANY NE 0
he petition was ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. HUMS supposed that the Noble Lord (14; '----------32—S
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nerston) was silent in answering his question, bees,' SIR '1 HC
me 1)3.4 not made or seconded any motion then before 7
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louse. He never rose fur the purpose of seconding t...,
notion that the petition be printed, and be rej eatei l'"git,"o,A,
piestion to the Noble Lord. 1!I ' his . ..
Lord PALMERSTON observed, that it witaswansoltik"eiptiit4,l.ljtenceoiteso,ool.rlo),EteineTtit.,
5f any disrespect to him (Mr. Hume) that he had o','''"rk is • t c
timemetimal
tn•wered his question, but he re ally from what passel '',l
;he a 1 use of the Hon. Member's former address, consider b Th,
t merely in declaration of his opinion. In answer • PARIS'S L
;he Hon. Member he could only say that he was s,' eit;
we,o44\_‘it'itohDailaßient.,,,
:umstanced that he could not, consist-only oit, 1):v A durable m
xis pub is duty, enter into any of the explanati"'
rsi:eal, but this he would say, that whatever assists"' a
cis Majesty's Ministers were bound to give, they were° "Jt T H
ill times willing to do.
Mr. O'CONNELL supported the prayer of the pet til,,,ttlliYe,titleißeeleso.nTGED.Ele
A. good dead of sympathy had been expressed in th,,llvithvfiee Edition,
House for Holland and Don Miguel, but not an atom tw ca An portrait
;he unfortunate Poles. hzi ornament
Sir R. INGLIS objected to the printing of the petitileEt;elneY Colburn
an the ground of its calling the war between Russia 0 iii----___________
Poland an unjust anal iniquitous war.
Mr. RoBINsoN also objected to the printing of tilt CAVEDL Su(
t, Wmthout I'
caution, which, on the suggestion of Lord Aertioar)ilgo
i'rtuli.
tweiNgsteineEr:
withdrawn by the Hon. Member for Preston.
Colonel EVAN S, in consequence of seeing
se should not he able to make his motion concerning ileel
1 ems p_osePa ronaq
aal Powers in relation to Poland, postponed it till IC
eltea •''r, BLOT
aesday.
Mr. DIXON presented a petition from the West
)lerchants of Glasgow against the Sugar Refinery 014
MARCH OF THE FRENCH ARMY. „sce,,lit'liir,tl;l„4'tA'ioNrielE'oPfues
Lord G. BENTINCK wished to know whether a 43b,k,,qtn-
ment that he had seen was correct, namely—that
French Government had given -to the Arnbassads°,4ls,%llty
England, Prussia, Austria, and Russia, an assurance t"oeth i,°f Loathe
as soon as the Dutch invaders of Bslgiurn had been I'l4, ti Peillitme(
pelled, the French troops would be withdrawn ? Furthe,:ille,4ts or pre
whether it was true that the French Government
assured those Ambassadors that not a single
soldier should enter any other territory than thoreitrttOse,,e or
Belgium ?—(Hear, hear.) These inquiries he
for the purpose of ascertaining that the honour and il/10,,i,
grity of the French Government was maintained, as vo'' tee he pae
that of the high character of the English diplomacy.
Lord PALMERSTON rose and said—Sir,
to the qua stion put to me by my Hon Friend, I can of abort Perk() e of
i
se-, that the report to which I believe he alludes, 4.llstai tin, on M
which I have seen, is substantially correct. On al ttA.,t ningha
teet, Lean
nesday, the day on which orders were given by the Fre;el
in rie:6,ll.
otult of ti
Government to get the French troops in radii CO
to march, the Ministers of the French Government ir, sum
vited the Plenipotentiaries of England, Austria, Ilu,svest; SELF-INJ
and Prussia to meet, and communicated to them the o":,,lints "1 and cant
which that Government had given, and the reason of throin's
namely, the advance of time Dutch troops into Belgi.'iskap
and the application for assistance which had been recr'oaath all Parts ofy th
by the French Government. This communication `vttristh. his Materials.
accompanied by an assurance that the advance of the Frewths „e' that he •
troops had no other object than that of maintaining spat ill try naturewol
the fine Powers had bound themselves to maintain, n't'it!O sk4t° Permanen
the neutrality of Belgium ; and that as soon as the Do°,lhi,i*et he should'
troops should be repelled back into their own territ
.r4li,„' tried and
tin
the French soldiers should he withdrawn within the frvia4r,ratus, sehich
tiers of France. A further question was asked by A, },4' NrSOns of
English Ambassador respecting the frontiers to be tspir
sic°‘',ls in a re
mar occupied by the French, to which the reply was 44c Water onlyl
the French troops would only pass through such frontier:lilts '"°s or taut ie
lay- in their road, anal were necessary to be passed thr° in ' ntld )-
I the other d
in advancing upon the enemy.
,othst; i Apparatus
Sir R. VYVYAN wished to know whether the 1% std ;`• " infirm
Lord had received any further official communication apl. °ld by J. Rit:ac
the subject? 4,11P1ian.,.!'"8 and (
Lord PALMERSTON said he had received no on'), Inkill°", or by 1
intelligence oaf any march of the French troops. Ile Itenni.---Those p
received this morning a despatch from Lord Gren'',lo ter lng Agents,
inclosing a note from the French Government, cen604,10t,n3 as liberal
the communication which he had verbally received be' !'t th though, pert
(LEI!' SITTING.) 'ett,,,,rown out as m
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HOUSE OF LORDS. '''Ze:?...._.__
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat at Five 0.'41
Loral WYNDFORD postponed the bringing in bid,4 CH
for the Composition oft-,ay Tithes, until mhe Bill bred,,
(From the
in by the Archbishop of Canterbury was consider& 1
Committee. ° KONIGSBER
te, . .
Lord GOWER presented a petition from a 01, p originating
Staffordshire, praying for the repeal of the New Beer asses,ers in il tic
Lord CARBERRY presented two petitions from jA that
and one from one Bandon, praying that no alteration rt"ki.l'R their elm]
be made in the grant to the Kildare-street Society. . 'eeselff
A % leerS we
On the motion for the second read;ng of the Coal 'ilab se of
The Duke of WELLINGTON said, that in there trot
the
PI"
sence of the Noble First Lord of the Treasury, he °l4t.ttorarps were
rig to of
reserve his observations till a future stage of the Bill'4Prese
the Noble Earl (Grey) would be in his place to-nOriettlir, flied to ha
it might be fixed for then, if not then, Thursday ° ad h g the 'jots 1
1 'eeo
named. ,L 4
ivarrester
Lord GODERICH was perfectly ready, if the P.',1111 ' 11"l'Ati fr
Duke had gone into his observations to-night, starch' 829
0 to , parse
to have answered them, or have adopted them.
~,,,0 s 003 had r
ever, as the Noble Duke seemed to wish a postritamr eyttm ,
ment, he thought it would probably he the hart plan' Ip ed
t cases of
,Itc among
discussion was then fixed to come on to-morrow. .001, ilig th g t
The LORD CHANCELLOR begged to move thl'f .e pr e eOrde
order of the day for the committal of the IlankrupteNll bojtved fatal
might be discharged. He did so in consequence "it ,Persnls'rzte, c
continued absence of the Noble Lord Chief Justice °fit,., 41 ti;r's Were 1
King's Bench, who had not yet returned from his Cl rkere taken
He was of opinion that on Friday lie would be readY %ISt i,",en ill, I.
on with it. ,Aite: io Were '
Lord ELDON thought there hat been some irregl74l, Since
with this Bill. The usual course was that the 'neer 1 todividu the
a Bill should be discussed on the second reading. /At 4 ,111qA, ois
The LORD CHANCELLOR—The principle °,tp:4bleta "
amidt
Bill was the very same as the one intrvulf -"lied -'
1 .
by him last Sessions, when he opened upon its merlt;tt tt JAss
fully. He also hoped his Noble and Learned r Nikrtitts, had
the
would acquit him of blame, when he told ollt,s My a '14(1 fall
that it was only because of his great anxiety' I' to'bit 4114th.PPears, ll
lose any time that the Reform Bill had or ttieui.,ll.4, wheel
read a second time without discussing it. But be e'lk, 11l d IY in Br
not tell the Noble and Learned Lord that lay rules n'iolPlar bEssA al
Houses discussions could take place on the cominittyrZe 6e continues
Bill, and even on its third reading, and on this 0. et) 4 agihni,,,, e!
second reading only took place on an understan44 J4:443'. se of
discussion should take place oil a future stage. „e"ki,..'itL, Ja i
Loral ELDON was perfectly satisfied with the eh Ict4l.`"titil , uIY !
lion of the Noble anal Learned Lord on the WoolscAo' 6r, tiled C°srlay
The Bill was then committed, and ordered t:)e lop, Y the j
eti ser a
committed on Friday next.—Adjourned. le lite 5 "Y
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