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London, England, 1831-08-23 00:00:00

IRISH YEOMANRY.

The Earl of WICKLOW rose pursuant to notice to put
a question to the Noble Earl opposite, relative to the Irish
yeomanry. Rumours had been circulated through the
medium of the Press, from which no subject of a political
character was generally long concealed—that communica-
tions had taken place between the Noble Earl and certain
Irish Members of Parliament on the subject of grievances
under which, as these Members alleged, Ireland laboured,
and among other things, they complained of the evils
which arose from the yeomanry system, of which they
desired the abolition. He believed that these gentlemen
were actuated by the best and most patriotic motives ; but
be was at the same time of opinion that conferences and
combination among Members of Parliament to browbeat
a Alinister, with a view to compel him to adopt measures
agreeable to themselves, were most unwise, most unjust,
and most unconstitutional.—(Hear, hear.) The gentlemen
to whom he alluded had not confined their exertions to
Parliament, but had, in the first place, waited on the
Noble Earl at his own house; and he must say, to the
honour of the Noble Earl, that be had been highly grati-
fied with the manly, honest, candid, dignified, and states.
manlike character of the observations made by the Noble
Earl on that occasion. But the next day these gentlemen
attended upon some of the Ministers, at a meeting at
which he understoo4 the Noble Earl was present, and then
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the Noble Earl degenerated from the great and enlightened
Statesman to the tame, acquiescing, and timid placeman.
The gentlemen appeared desirous to impose terms on the
Noble Earl on the condition of their adherence to his Go-
vernment, and it was rumoured that concessions were ac-
cordingly grr.nted, such as that the yeomanry should be
disarmed—or that their arms, instead of being left in
their own custody, should be lodged in depots, and that
instead of remaining in separate bodies, as at present, they
should be formed into battalions to be under the command
of the new Lord Lieutenant. This would in reality
amount to an abolition ; fur the yeomanry would never
consent to anything disparaging to their body. Was not
this of the nature of force on the part of these gentlemen ?
Was it not unconstitutional for Members of Parliament to
apply to the party in power and call for concessions under a
threat to leave them and join the Opposition ? If
Ministers yielded to demands of this kind, they might
have no alternative but to resign their situations or to
deliver over those whif. bad 'so often preserved the
peace of Ireland in critical situation's, to the mercy of those
who had shown themselves to be their greatest enemies.
It was well known that the yeomanry had 'rendered the
greatest 'services to their country on critical occasions. H
did not mean to say, that if the yeomanry never had ex--
isted, they ought to be organized exactly as they were at
present, for he was aware of the.violente of parties in Ire
land ; but it was a different thing essentially to alter tl.e
organisation of the body after it had been so long esta-
blished and had been found so efficient. The yeomanry
had on a former occasion served Ireland, and they might
at no distant period have to serve it again.—(Hear, hear )
It was evident that the Government must have been
alarmed for the peace of the country, otherwise they
would not have called out this force. The last art of the
President of the Council, when a member of a former Go-
vernment, was to abolish the yeomanry, or materially to
alter it, organisation in some counties in England ; and
it must be presumed that he bad altered his mind very
much on that subject, when as a member of the present
Government, he had consented to the calling out of the
yeomanry. Then the Ministry had brought into the other
House a most unconstitutional Bill (the Irish Arms' Bill),
which was another proof that they felt alarmed for the
peace of the country. But that Bill bad now lain dor.
most for a month, and he concluded that the country wa•
now considered to be in a peaceable state ; and if it was,
they owed that to the yeomanry alone.—(Hear, hear.)
He looked with the most serious apprehension to the effect
which these reports were calculated to produce on the
minds of the Irish yeomanry, and in Ireland generally.
On the part of the yebmanry in the North of Ireland these
rumoured projects would be met with contempt, and a de-
termination not to oppose but to counteract them, and to
organise themselves iuto an irresponsible body. In other
parts of Ireland, where Protestants where few, a still
greater alarm would be created, In these counties some
of the yeomanry were Catholics, but most of them were
Protestants, and when deprived of their security, they
might be driven by despair to abendon their country.
gaudent perfusi sanguine fratruns,
Exilioque domos et dulcia liraina mutant, -
Atquc alio patriam qumerunt ;sub Sole jacentem."
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He certzinly would oppose any measure so destructive as
that of Ole abolition of the yeomanry would be, and it
was with a view to prevent the adoption of such a measure
that he now put the question to the Noble Earl, whether
it was true that the Noble Earl had declared that it was
the intention of Government to propose a measure for dis-
arming the yeomanry and lodging their arms in depots,
and forming them into battalionsto be under the command
of the Lords Lieutenant of counties, and to make other
changes in the organisation of that body?
Earl GREY—Agreeing with the Noble Earl in the im-
propriety and inconvenience of entering opon long discus-
sions upon subjects brought under consideration on the
footing of an interrogation, he Lad to regret that the Nobly
Earl bad deviated so far from what he himself adrnived to
be the proper course, and had entered into a discrission re-
lative
to the yeomanry corps, and the conduct intended to
be pursued by the Government respecting
them; about
which the Noble Earl appeared to be very ill: informed.'
lie, however, concurred with the Noble Earl in the ob•
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taken place between some Members of Parliament fur Ire-
land and some Ministers of the Crown, and observed, that
he considered it an highly improper practice for Members
of Parliament to associate in order to prevail on the Go-
vernment to accede to certain conditions under an intima-
tion, that if the conditions were not complied with, they
might be induced to join the Opposition. There also he
concurred with the Noble Earl. He certainly did not ap-
prove of that practice ; and he could assure the Noble
Earl, that as long as he held the situation in which he
was at present placed, such practices would have no
effect on him.—(Hear, hear.) And the Noble Earl
himself had admitted that he (Earl Grey) had answered
in such a manner as to show, that if it were intended to
impose a measure on him by the threat of any conse-
quences, he was prepared to stand to the consequences.—
(Hear, hear, hear.) The consequences might be, that
by this kind of opposition lie might be forced to quit the
situation which he at present held, but that situation he
would have no more difficulty in relinquishing than he had
felt in taking it. He had stated that he was opposed to
any measure tending to the abolition of the yeomanry
corps, or to their separation in any way which should be
derogatory to them, or inconsistent with a sense of that
respect and regard which was due to their services. But
lie had, in common courtesy to a party of gentlemen and
Members of Parliament, stated his general views on the
subject, and mentioned what measures it might be com-
petent to adopt respecting the yeomanry. These amounted
merely to matter of form and regulation, and did not at
all go to the abolition or the discharge of the corps.—
(Hear, hear.) This was what he had stated at the first
meeting. As to the other meeting, he was not present
at that meeting, for the Noble Earl was misinformed on
that point. But at that meeting nothing more was stated
than that some new regulations might be applied to these
corps, into the details of which he would not at present
enter. hut,this be would say, that nothing was in con-
templation which could properly be considered as in the
least degree an insult to the yeomanry, or as calculated to
hurt that sense of honour which they justly entertained,
or to detract from the merit and value of their services.—
(Hear, hear, hear.) He never contemplated any mea-
sures that could properly be considered as at all de
rogatory to them, and what had passed at these meet-
ings had not disinclined him to persevere in the
views which he had before entertained. lie had no in-
tention to do anything that might hurt the feelings of the
yeomanry ; but if the Noble Earl were to ask his opinion
as to the advantages to be derived from the yeomanry in
Ireland, he would answer, that whatever might be the
merits of that body, and however patriotic the spirit by
which they were animated, and of whatever value their
services might occasionally be—and from their deserts in
these respects he had no desire to detract—still that
species of force was nut altogether advantageous. The
disadvantage of this force was this, that with all their
merits, their patriotic zeal and ardour, these good qua-
lities were too often mixed up with party spirit and per-
sonal hostility—(Hear, bear)—which was apt to carry
them too far when employed in active service ; and an-
other effect of that feeling was, that it did not subside
with the occasion that brought it forth, but had a tend-
ency to break out on other occasions. He did not concur
in the opinion that the yeomanry corps ought to be abo-
lished ; but yet, for the reason which lie had stated, he
did think that the security of the country might be better
provided for by other means. With respect to his opi-
nion as to which was the most constitutional mode of pre-
serving the public peace, whether by a yeomanry force or
by an increase of the standing army, he would say that, if
the peace of Ireland were to be lamentably disturbed—and
lamentable the effect must be, if it should be disturbed—
he should prefer an increase of the military policy, or of
the standing army, to the existence of these corps.—
This was saying no more respecting the yeomanry than that
they were liable to the infirmities of human nature.
Having said this much—which was more than the occasion
properly called him to say—he could only plead, in
excuse, that he was led into it by the observations of the
Noble Earl. He could only say, that he had no intention
to do any thing in regard to this description of force which
ought to he considered as injurious to them, dissatisfactory
to their feelings, or derogatory to their honour. What he
I.ad said was equally applicable to England as to Ireland,
and he approved of the measure of his Noble Friend, the
President of the Council, to which the Noble Earl had
alluded. Both in England and in Ireland, it was desir-
able, as much as possible, to avoid the employment of a
force in preserving the peace, in which party spirit was
apt to be predominant.
The Earl of WlCKLOW—Whatever might have been
the irregularity of the observations which he had made in
introducing the question which he had put to the Noble
Earl on this subject, he rejoiced that lie had made them,
since they had called forth a most satisfactory explanation
from the Noble Lord, and one which would do infinite
g00d..--(Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of LAN SDOWNE would have said nothing
on the present occasion, had it not been that the Noble
Earl had alluded to him personally in the course of the
declamation which he had mixed up with his question.
The Noble Earl had alluded to a measure of his in regard
to the yeomanry, which he hail proposed as a Minister of
the Crown under another Government, and se.id that his
concurrence in taking advantage of the services of the yeo-
manry indicates a change in his opinion, and that the
promptitude and zeal of this body had overcome his reluc-
tance to employ them. But the Noble Earl would recol-
lect that his measure applied only to the yeomanry of Eng-
'and, and not to that of Ireland. But the Noble Earl
was entirely misinformed, if he thought that his measure
for partially dispensing with the services of the yeo-
manry in England indicated any feeling of disapproba-
tion of that body. It did no such thing. The ground of his
measure for this partial diminution of that force was, that
the expense of keeping it up was more than was justified
by the extent of its efficiency in particular places. The
force had been preserved in those counties where it was
most wanted, and where it was most efficient. He could
not he justly considered as having been adverse to their
employment, when they bad been called out even in the
course of this and the last year in the county where he was
Lord Lieutenant. It was not ten mouths since they had
been called out, and they hail not been more distinguished
for the courage and zeal with which they bad acted, than
for the tempee anal forbearance which they had displayed
—and in both respeete they had been a model for other,
corps, and hail received the upress approbation of his Ma-
jesty. They considered it as no resection on theni to say
ihat it was proper that they should be under regimental
controul, whether called upon to serve against the enemy,
or to preserve the peace among their countrymen.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thanked the Noble
Earl for his declaration in respect to the Irish yeomanry—
a declaration whieis was of the highest importance, and
one which would do a great deal of good, and quiet the
mimic of many gentlemen of property. The Noble Mar-
quis expreesed hie concurrence in the opinion, that appli-
cations to Goveraseeßnt by associated Members of Parlia-
ment were improper, eel' then called the attention of the
House to the character of the individuals who made this
ipplication. The Noble Marquis renal their names, and
observed that they were all particularly connected with the
Catholics. These gentlemen might represent the senti-
ments of the province of Cormeoeit, but they did not re.
present the sentiments of Munster ne the rest of Ire-
land. The rest of Ireland distinctly differed ferstn them.
But lie was afraid that the proceeding was but Lying
the foundation for that interruption of the peace of
reland—a peace not likely to be effectually: preserved'
es was by some expected by the measure of Catholic'
emancipation. He agreed that their place in Parlia-;
meat wets the situation in which Members; ought to do
their duty by their constituency, and that going in a holy
to a Minister, and respiring him to adopt certain measures •
tinder pain of their joining des Opposition, was uncon-
stitutiariel and improper ; and he hoped that the manner
in which the 3sToble Earl had conducted Intne4f in this
instance would be an etsemple which other Governments
would be disposed to follow. That sort of combination
was not ti/.62 mode to pro:note the tree ,loteree;s of Ireland,
and it was the most unfortunate course that hod been
adopted since the Unloo, It looked as if these gentlemen I
had been instigated to make this; application in this mode
by the unfeatonate person who had. bean of late so active in
raising agitation in Ireland, and who would proh ibly again
eau:apt to promote a cry fc.4" the repeal of the Union, after
the Reform Bill ehould have patived, It would be recol-
lected how that unhappy person had deeeia-eel the Noble
Marquis who was at the head of the Irish Govettonept ;,
and if their Lordships world peewit him, he would read an I
extract of a letter which would show what he intended to
do after the ?reform Bill should have restii. The Noble
Marquis here read au extract from the letter in question,
in which the Hon. and Lessened Member for Kerry
charged Government with perfect inattention to the inte-
rests of Ireland. Was that a man to obtain whose poli-
tical support the Ministers: of England ought to listen to
such representations as ,those wli;lA had been made to'
them? With resicect to the conduct o. Noble Mar-
quis at the bead of the Goyernment of Ireland, with the
exception of the influence which 4444 V,i)lAle Marquis had;
exercised in
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Friend by a Noble Earl, and the answer to width the
Noble Earl bad allowed to be completely satisfactory, the
Noble Marquis had gone into a variety of subjects, and Was
flow attaching the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland for all alleged

interference in an e!eetion. Whenever that question should
come regularly before their Lordships, he was confident that
he should be able to prove that the Noble Marquis had
acted in a manner perfectly consistent with his high station
and character.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY observed, that the
Noble Duke, who was so fond of calling to order, should
be bettor acquainted with the orders of the House himself.
He (the Marquis of Londonderry) bad as much right to
state his opinions as the Noble Earl, who had been allowed
to do so at considerable length.
Lord HOLLAND said that the Noble Marquis did not
appear to recollect that there was no question before their
Lordships. It was true that the courtesy of the House ad-
mitted a question to be put by a Noble Lord to any Mem-
ber of his Majesty's Government. The object of that per.
mission was to save time, since it was frequently found to
be a summary way of obtaining information on which an
ulterior Parliamentary proceeding might or might not be
founded. But there was a great difference between allow-
ing a simple question and answer, and permitting other
Noble Lords to enter into a discussion, involving a variety
of extraneous matter. It might be convenient not to be
too strict in such matters ; but he must say that he thought
the Noble Marquis was abusing the privilege when be
made a speech which had little connexion with the subject
of the question put by a Noble Earl to his Noble Friend,
but in which he went into an excursive consideration of all
the various topics connected with Ireland. He (Lord
Holland) by no means wished for an abolition of the prac-
tice to which he had been alluding ; but he thought it
ought to be kept within certain bounds. In his opinion it
would be a wholesome regulation if the privilege were con-
fined to the Noble Lord putting the question, and the Noble
Lord giving the answer.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, after the gentle
manner in which the Noble Lord had explained the case,
would not persevere; but he hoped that in future long
speeches would not be permitted to be made on one side,
without being permitted to b 2 answered on the other.
Earl GREY observed, that no inference ought to be
drawn against the meeting to which be had alluded, from
the character and sentiments of the persons who were at
the head of it. The gentlemen came to him in the most
amicable manner.

The conversation here dropped.
BEER HOUSES.

The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented a pe-
tition horn Sittingbourne, against the opening of be,r
houses on the Lord's-day.

CHURCH LIVINGS.

On the motion of the Archbishop of CANTERBURY
the 13111 for the Augmentation of Church Livings went
through a Committee, the report of which was ordered to
be received to- morrow.
PLURALITIES.

The Archbishop of CANTERBURY gave notice tint'
on Thursday he would move for leave to bring in a Bil
for the restraining of pluralities.

POOR LAWS AMENDMENT BILL.

The Duke of RICHMOND, in moving the second
reading of the Bill for amending some of the laws respect-
ing the poor, stated shortly the object of the measure.
By the 12th clause of the 59th Geo. 111., c. 12, over-
seers had power to take land on lease for the employment
of the poor, to the extent of twenty acres; he proposed to
remove that limit. By the 27th clause of the 22d of Geo.
111., c. 35, overseers had the power of enclosing waste
land for the employment of the poor, to the extent of ten
acres : lie proposed to increase that amount to fifty acres.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to
be committed to-morrow.

The other Orders of the Day having been disposed of,
the House adjourned.

HO USE OF COMMONS, Auausr 22.

Sir J. JOHNSON presented a petition from the church-
wardens of Wakefield, Yorkshire, against the Bill for
altering the Law of Settlement.
Colonel EVANS presented a petition from Thomas and
Caroline Deacle, the persons who lately prosecuted Mr.
Bingham Baring and other Magistrates of Hampshire, for
assault and false imprisonment. In doing so, lie reminded
the House that he had, en a former occasion, made a mo-
tion for the production of certain documents which bore
upon the case of the petitioners, and had then stated he
was not actuated by any personal feelings, that he had no
knowledge of, and had abstained from all communication
with the petitioners lest he might be led into making an
ex-parte statement, and that he founded his motion alto-
gether upon two documents which had appeared in the
public journals—one purporting to be a report of the trial
in which a verdict was given against Mr. Bingham Baring,
and the other a letter from that gentleman addressed to a
newspaper. Judging from these documents, he had con-
cluded that the character alike of the gentleman accused,
as of the Magistracy in general, was concerned in this
matter ; and therefore was it he had moved for the papers,
intending, if he had obtained them, to ground thereon a
motion for the dismissal of Mr. Baring and the other
Magistrates concerned from the Commission of the Peace.
He had been met, in a manner for which he was altogether
unprepared ; the papers were refused ; and although he
had cautiously refrained from anything which might
wear the appearance of an ex-parte statement, Hon.
Gentlemen, in speaking in reply, had pursued a course
directly contrary, and even used parts of those doca-
ments, the whole of which were refused, and used
such parts as tended to criminate Mr. and Mrs.
Deacle. He (Colonel Evans) had accordingly been,
although unintentionally, the cause of doing an injury,
to the petitioners ; and therefore was it he came forward,
on the present occasion, to lay before the !louse a petition, in
which they solemnly denied the truth of the allegations
which had been made against them. In answer to the
statement made in that House to the effect, that the five
Magistrates had been included by Mr. Deacle in the in.
dictment with the view of preventing Mr. Baring from
availing himself of the evidence of persons present, he
begged to remark that there were eleven persons present,
five of whom only were included in the indictment. In
addition to the Magistrates there were Mr. Jarvis, the
servants, and the three constables ; and this, he contended,
removed all grounds for suspicion that Deacle bad, as was
observed, thrown all the parties into one net. He also
argued that evidence to character should not be considered
sufficiently strong to overturn facts proved at the trial.
The Hon. Member also declared, that he bad been quite
astounded by the speech of the Hon. and Learned Ser.
jeaut, the Member for Newark, who seemed to take the
guilt of the Deacles for granted, arid who had actually ap-
peared to associate Deacles with a man named Boyse, who
was afterwards transported, and to consider that be had
appeared in company with this person at the head of a
mob at the house of Mrs. Long, to compel her to reduce
her rent, and to contribute a sum of money, which it was
stated she did to the amount of fifteen pounds. lie (Mr.
Evans) had since, however, had a conversation with the
[lon and Learned Member, and he had declared to him
that he had no notion of implicating Mr. Deacle with
those proceedings. It appeared, therefore, that he and
other lion. Member:, had been mistaken in the object and
meaning of the Hon. and Learned Member's speech. The
Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to state the various circum-
stances which had taken place on the two trials, giving the
newspaper reports as his authority throughout ; he next
stated, that the petitioners complained that the letters
sent to the petitioners, when in gaol, had been destroyed,
in one of which letters there was an off r of legal as-
assistance. The petition likewise asserted that a man
named Collins had avowed, that if he had not promised
to give evidence against Deacle ha would have been prose-
cuted himself; and that another, named Barnes, was
taken out of the dock, and told that he would not be pro-
secuted if he gave evidence against Deacle. The peti-
tioners also deciased that the allegations published in the
newspapers, and professing to be a repot of the speeches
made by an lion. and Learned ..,erjeant and other lion.
Members in that House, were false in matter as well as in
expression, and that the petitioners were ready to prove
the truth of th,:a denial by evidence at the bar of the
House.
Mr. SPEAKER here called the Hon. ;;ember to order,
and remarked to him, that this petition did in fact com-
ment on proceedings i, that krolse, and' denied as false
arid malicious allegations, wit,ici, rapara the faith of the
public channels of information, the petiaionese took. for :
granted 1-..a4 been made in that House, and whicl; they
considered defamatory of their character. Under these
circumstances, he did not conceive the House could re-
ceive the petition; and he considered that the Hon. Mem-
ber was paraniez a
.line of argument which could onlyend
in one of two things,-a;.c tit!! House's rejecting the petition,
or else establishing a new precedent by receiving it.
Mr. O'CONNELL had read the petition, ri4 tho7ght
Mr. Speaker would And that it did not actually coral cat
upon the proceedings of that lime! Besides, there were
facts stated in it well worthy of attention.
The PEA KER then suggested that the petition should
be brought .up and rasa za length. The House would be
then able to judge if he were correct; ;fraa the opinion be
had formed respecting it.
Mr. HUME had rand the petition, and thought it was
free from the technical objection.
Mr. P. BARING wished to have the petition laid upon
the table.

Colonel EVANS said that the petitioners expressly de-
Oared in their petition they did not presume that the lion.
Memlo-rs alluded to 113,1 actually used suet' language as

was attributed to them in the public prints. He then
took occasion to laud the impartial conduct of the Press in
this case ; where, if there were any bias, it would, he said,
have most probably been in favour of Mr. Baring ; and he
observed, that much as he honoured the wisdom of both
Houses of Parliament, he considered that the influence of
the Press was of the highest value.
The petition was then brought up, and ordered to be read
by the Clerk. It was as follows .

" TO THE HON. THE COMMONS OF THE UNITED
KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND,
IN PARLIAMENT ASSEMBLED ;
" THE HUMBLE PETITION OF THOMAS AND
CAROLINE DEACLE, OF MARWELL FARM,
IN THE PARISH OF OWSELBURY, IN THE
COUNTY OF HANTS,_----- _
SuEwsmf,—That your petitioners have read with inexpres-
sible indignation, in the public newspapers, numerous allegations
made against th em, which are wholly false, scandalous, and ma-
licious, calculated to blast their characters, to injure their pur-
suits in life, and utterly to destroy their peace of mind.
" That, amongst these false and scandalous allegations, Mr.
Francis Baring is represented as having described your peti-
tioner, Thomas Deacle, as one who, during the late disturbances
in this county, incited men to machine-breaking, encouraged
them to demand a reduction of tithes, and accompanied them
illegally to demand money ; and was with them when they re-
ceived money thus extorted ; that your petitioner, Caroline
Deacle, was a person who employed the influence of her sex, and
the power of her station, to ruin the poor and ignorant who lived
in her neighbourhood, and that she was present with a mob,when
they demanded, extorted, and received money.
" That, amongst these false arid scandalous allegations, Mr.
Thomas Wilde, Serjeant-at-law, is represented as having said,
In one case the mob went to the house of a Mrs. Long, headed
by Deacle and Boyce, and having compelled her to sign a paper
for the reduction of rent, they afterward demanded money.
Fifteen pounds were at first demanded, but they afterwards con-
sented to take five pounds; and after having spent the day in
making collections of this kind, they adjourned to the Downs,
when Mr.Deacle and Mrs. Deacle, who were with them, superin-
tended the distribution of the money.'
" That your petitioners 'most solemnly declare to your Ho-
nourable House, that every thing expressed in the words above
recited, is utterly destitute of truth ; that it is false in matter as
well as in expression ; that there is not a shadow of ground for
either of the above allegations; and that your petitioners, if
your Hon. House should think proper to permit them to do so,
will clearly prove, at the Bar of your Hon. House, the perfect
truth of the denial which they here give to those allegations.
"That your Hon. House ought to be informed, that an indict.
ment was, just at the close of the session of the Special Commis.
sion preferred against your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, but not
against your other petitioner, Caroline Deacle; that a true Bill
was found, but that the Commission was suffered to expire with
out bringing your petitioner to trial ; that the indictment was
brought on for trial at the last Lent Assizes at Winchester : that
the prosecutors produced the whole of their "evidence; that
one of 'heir witnesses, of the name of Collins, on his cross_
examination, acknowledged that he would not say that he had
not said he knew nothing against Mr. Deacle ; and, upon being
asked whether he did not believe that he would have been prose-
cuted himself if he had not promised to give evidence against
Mr. Deacle, he said he believed he should- have been prosecuted
if he had not made such a promise; that another of the wit-
nesses for the prosecution, of the name of Barnes, a carpenter,
upon his cross-examination, stated, that during the trials under
the Special Commission, he being in the dock, and about to be
put on his trial, the gaoler Beckett called him out, and took him
into a room where there were Walter Long, a Magistrate, and
another person, whom he believed to be Bingham Baring, who
told him that he should not be put upon his trial if he would
come and swear against Deacle; that another person of the
name of Prickett was called as a witness by the prosecutors, and
that when the Counsel for the defence rose to cross-examine this
witness, the Counsel for the prosecution interfered, and said that
they meant there to stop the prosecution for want of sufficient
evidence ; that the Counsel for the defence persisted in a wish
to go on, in order that the witnesses of his client might be pro-
duced, but that the Judge interposed his authority, observing
that the defendant was honourably acquitted, and could want no-
thing more; that up.,n this part of the subject your petitioners
beg leave to point out to the attention of your Honourable
House, that Charles Seagrim, the attorney of Francis and Bing-
ham 13aring,was the attorney employed in the carrying on of this
prosecution, and that the said Seagrim was a co-defendant in the
action which your petitioners lately brought against the said Ba-
rings and others.

lrThat the allegations complained of are, by the newspapers,
represented as parts of speeches delivered in your Honourable
House ; but your petitioners having been informed that your
Honourable House will not receive any petition which comments
on speeches made in your Honourable House, do not presume to
say that the Hon. Members named i❑ this petition did actually
utter the words which have, by the newspapers, been attributed
to them ; but they complain of the grievous hardships and inju.
riot's consequences which have already resulted, and which can-
not fail continually to result, from such calumnies being propa-
gated, as coming from Members of your Honourable House, in
their legislative capacities ; and the snore so, since it is impossible
for them to escape these terrible consequences, without the inter-
ference of your Honourable House, in such way as to your Ho-
nourable House shall seem meet.

" That with regard to the words imputed to Mr. Serjeant
Wilde, they feel themselves doubly aggrieved, as the said Ser_
jeant was retained by your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, in the
action lately ti ied at Winchester, but he did not arrive at Win-
chester till after the trial ; yet he is notwithstanding represented
as making a speech tending to the destruction of your petitioner,
while he had your petitioner's money in his pocket as his advocate.
" That your petitioners deeply lament the necessity which they
feel themselves under, of thus trespassing on the time of your
Honourable House ; but that they hope your Honourable House
will have the goodness to consider the extent of the injury done
them, as aforementioned; as an instance of which your petitioner,
Thomas Deacle, informs your Honourable House, that he was in
treaty for a farm belonging to his Grace the Duke of Beaufort,
which farm he was very desirous to rent, while the steward ex-
pressed an equal desire to have him for a tenant; but that, in con-
sequence of the allegations made against your petitioner, as afore-
said, the steward has announced to your petitioner that the Duke
ofoeaufort refuses to receive him as a tenant. . . .

That your Honourable House must be convinced, that no in,.
dividual fortune in the middle rank of life can possibly withstand
the assaults made against reputation, as aforementioned ; that
your Honourable House will at once perceive that no character
can stand against attacks spread in this manner all over the king-
dom, and coming forth, as in this case, under the pretended sanc-
tion of your Honourable House.
" That therefore your petitioners beseech your Honourable
House compassionately to lend an ear to a recital of the treatment
Which they have experienced, a recital which they will make as
brief as possible, omitting unimportant circumstances, but pledg-
ing themselves to prove, on the oaths of witnesses of unques-
tionable veracity, the truth of every part of the statement which
they now submit, in the hope of obtaining justice at the hands of
your Honourable House.

" Consoled by this hope, they now state—That on the 25th of
November, 1830, at about two o'clock in the day, William Lew-
ington and John Switzer, constables of' Winchester, came to the
house of your petitioners, being the bearers of a warrant signed
by the Rev. Robert Wright and one or two other magistrates of
Hampshire, and served it on your petitioners, who immediately,
without any hesitation, were preparing to dress themselves in
a becoming manner, in order to go with the constables, in obe-
dience to the warrant,; that, in about five minutes after the con-
stables entered the house, they were followed with great apparent
violence, and with great rudeness, by Francis Baring and Bing..
ham Baring (being two magistrates, of the county), by It. Wright
(clerk), by 'Mr:•Deane (banker), of Winchester, and by one Sea.
grim, an attorney at Winchester, who is the partner of another
attorney hamed Woodham, who are the attornies of Messrs.
Francis and Bingham Baring ; tha', upon the parties rushing into
the house, Bingham Baring seeing a friend of your petitioners,
of the name of Jervis, in'an outer room, who was changing his
coat, put a pistol to his head, having at the same time a dagger
in his hand, that he then followed the rest of these violent in-
truders into the inner room, or parlour, where your petitioners
were; that then Bingham ring came up to your petitioner,
Thomas Deacle, and striking him upon the shoulder, and then
seizing him by the arm, exclaimed, You are my prisoner!'
that at the same time, or the instant afterwards, Francis Baring
also seized your petitioner by the collar, while Robert Wright
seized hold of the hinder part of his coat ;• that thus seized,
Bingham Baring having hold of an arm, Francis Baring of
the collar of the coat, Robert Wright of the hinder part of the
coat, Bingham Baring (in a Commanding and menacing voice)
said to the constable, Mr. Lewington (Switzer being'sent into
the yard to hold the horses), Do your duty and Francis Baring,
on the constable seeming to hesitate, said, Do your duty, do
your duty !' in' a very quick and • stern manner ! that the con-
stable, in a compassionate tone, while putting his hand into his
coat pocket, answered,' There is no occasion for that, Sir, Mr.
Deacle will go quietly ;' whereupon, Bingham Baring, looking
sternly at the constable, said, Hand bolt them!' that Lewington
put the hand-bolt on one of your petitioners' (Thomas Deacle's)
hands; that while he was doing this, Francis Baring quitted his
hold of your petitioner's ('Thomas Deacle's) collar,went to another
part of the room, seized hold of your petitioner's- (Caroline Dea-
cle's) hand and arm, in order to compel her to submit to be hand-
bolted; that in spite of the supplications of your petitioner,
Thomas Deacle, who represented in the most feeling manner the
delicate and precarious state of health of his wife, she was brought
up by Francis Baring, who held her arm until her wrist was
fastened in the same bolt with that of her husband; that Mr.
Lewington had been ordered at the gaol to bring a pair of small
hand-bolts with him, and that he had them in his pocket,
but did not pull them out ; that at this time Bingham Baring
went into the outer room for the purpose of disabling the fowling-
pieces which were placed in the corner of the room ; that your
petitioners' were now marched off from the inner room towards
the outer room, handcuffed together, Francis Baring still
holding the right hand and arm of your petitioner, Caroline
I)eacle, her left hand being in the bolt; that in pulling her for-
ward through the outer room into the Court, she wishing not to
go without her bonnet and shawl, he pulled her with such force
ac to pull her hand through the bolt, except that it Was held by
the fingers, and a part of the ruffle, which was snapped in the
bolt, and there fastened ; that Francis Baring, seeing your peti-
tioner, Caroline Deacle, thus loose, put his aria round one of her
arms, anti held her two hands together under his arm with great
`force and rudeness, still refusing to suffer her to have her bonnet
and 311410 ; that in the meanwhile Deane, the banker, had auittad
the house, and Neagrirn and Wright were now on the outside of
the house, on horseback ' that the cart which had been guarded
all the while by Captain Nevin, was stationed on the outsideof the
yard, about 101), yards away from the house; that Bingham Baring
was now employed in knocking the caps ()tithe fowling-pieces, and
'pouring beer into the locks; that your petitioner Thomas Deacle
*was now taken into thecart by Lewington and Bingham Baring,
which latter mounted his horse and rode by the side of your peti-
tioner; Thomas Deacle, and the constable ; that Francis Baring,
refusing to wait for the bonnet and the shawl, proceeded to force
your petitiener, Caroline Deacle, from the house and the Court,
across the wet and dirty yard; in order to arrive at place where
the cart was • stationed;“ that the servants rah after with the
?net
oCat:
bonnet anela 064 and Clogs, which they put 'on as•well as they
could, he not intfering Out' petitioner use her bands for the
purpose; that he then, not however till feet hatl bpip wot,
carried her across the yard for a certain distance, by putting his
arm round the middle of her body, her headforemost, and her
heels hindmost, and her person in a horizontal position, and thus
'notwithstanding her earnest entreaties that he would allow her
to threw the garden, where the way was not only clean, but
where the distance was mach shorter to the cart ; that when
arrived 'at the cart,' by the Wide of which Captain Nevill was ,
sitting on horseback; the' Captain alighted, and got into the cart •
that the' meansvhile Francis Baring applied; his "band and
asnis Ike person or your petitiondr, Caroline DeaCle;iiii man,
no del 'tilde and brutal, ,as not Si'• be -described by
thaeirn, aNndevtihuuleltiziesidahlimett;tlyticthlYettlacrLhLaf4tn•
oofotitgeedarttil
tnhatthwishriulegoaunrdriientdiectioennetrm's
a(Cnnareorl,itnhoelieoaxtoolnet) person Itt4s
which indecenev
from the state of her heal, h,
she refrains from describing to your Honourable House, Seagritift
and the Rev. Robert Wright were sitting on their horses, and
looking-on and laughing ; that the wheel and other parts of the
cart covered her habiliments with dirt and tore part of them ,
that at this time, andeven in the court-yard, your petitioners ear-.
iwsto itgpl.crt.sd tfirst sour petitioner, Caroline Deacle, might be
ierinitted Wad 1161"htrse,
iserious injury irons tfthe car titi is request
and I will hold the
guhrerdh'tyt.hsatirroonn
was oositively refused by Francis a 0fi1i4.4 ;'that
and,
seair;n3 saia, No, if you h. . your horse, you irgtda ridc.ml,§4
did yesterday I' that One f. 4 the constables (Switzer) said, For
God's sake, Sir, let the lady have her horses
fo
raring drereiatnms:rit,e,ifikl lose
I'll report
that Me Cut wig driven by Lewington, and that the horse
that )3' ie.
WZIS a wretchet pony ; flaring urged Lewington
to drive faster, which 111,711W:done• for little while, he said,
n a second application, The lady complains of bent 'll d
upon g , aa
say that the jolting hurts her,' whereupon -Bingham Batik*
again exclaimed, Drive on--make'.your way to Winchester!'
that Leivington' still not driving- So fast as Bingham Baring
iam reins,
wished, the latter came tip and with a large black stick which he
carried, gave repeated blows across the back of the pony ; that

the pony now went considerably faster, Causing the Cart to jolt
so much, that your petitioner, Caroline Deacle, felt great pain,
and rose up, by bearing upon the side of the cart, and turning
round a little, said to Bingham Baring, ' Really, Sir, I cannot
bear this—it will be the death of me—l shall be shaken to death ;'
that your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, putting out his hand,
said, Sit still, my dear--bear it as well as you can,' and that
hereupon Bingham Baring struck across your petitioner, Ca-
roline Deacle, a severe blow with the before-mentioned black
stick, which fell upon the arm of your petitioner, Thomas
Deacle ; that the cart was accompanied by Francis Baring,
Bingham Baring, Captain Nevill, the Rev. Robert Wright,
Mr. Deane, the banker, and Seagrim, the attorney, as a troop
of guards assisting the constables ; that when the cart had
reached about half a mile from the house, Mr. Deane went oft'
to Winchester, leaving the rest to attend the cart; that when
the cart arrived at the top of Winchester Hill, about two miles
from the city, it was met by a post-chaise, into which your pe-
titioners were put, in company with the gaoler, who was in it,
and were thus conveyed to the common gaol at Winchester
that when arrived at the gaol, the six persons before-mentioned
had disappeared; that the gaoler hurried your petitioner, 'fhcs.
Deacle, into a room where certain Magistrates were assembled,
amongst whom were Sir Thomas Baring, as he believes, and the
Rev. Robert Wright the elder ; that in the meanwhile your pe-
titioner, Caroline Deacle, was put into another room, being the
gaoler's kitchen, but afterwards was brought into the same room,
that the -Magistrates deferred any examination for that night, on
the alleged account of want of witnesses, and refused to let your
petitioners out on bail ; that after [his, the gaoler Beckett took
your petitioners into the passage, and informed them, that he must
take your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, and put him into a yard,
and that he would give your petitioner, Caroline Deacle, a bed
along with the women; that upon hearing thi,, your petitioner,
Caroline Deacle, understanding that her husband was going to be
locked up amongst felons, fell into a violent hysteric fit, and was
falling backward upon the stone floor, which was luckily prevented
by your petitioner, Thos. Deacle, catching her in his arms; that
the fit was very strong, and rendered it necessary to open her
clothes, cut the lace of her stays, and thus expose her in the pre-
sence of numerous persons of various descriptions, the inmates or
the visitants of a common gaol ; that atter this your petitioners
were permitted, at the expense of ten shillings a day, to live in
the apartments of one of the turnkeys, situated on the felons' side
of the gaol, and surrounded by felons on every side ; that in this
situation your petitioners remained-from the evening of the 24th
of November until the evening of the 27th of November ; that on
the 25th of November your petitioners were brought before the
Magistrates sitting in the gaol, and were told that the evidence
against them had not arrived ; that on the morning of the 26th of
November they were brought before the Magistrates again,
always guarded by the gaoler or under-gaoler, as if they had been
felons, and were now told that the evidence was in their favour,
but that as all the evidence had not arrived they must detain them
longer ; that in the afternoon of the same day, the under-gaoler
again brought them into the presence of the 'Magistrates, always
sitting in the gaol ; that the Magistrates there told yourpetitioner,
Thomas Deacle, that they had nothing against him, and that he
might go, but they must- detain your petitioner, Caroline
Deacle, until the next day, when they expected some evidence
against her ; that upon this your petitioner, Thomas Deacle,
begged to be permitted to remain with his wife, to which the
6agistrates answered, No :'—that thereupon your petitioner,
Caroline Deacle, fainted away, and was held in the chair, the
Magistrates, with Sir Thomas Baring at their head, exclaiming,
Take her away, take her away—she must not remain to inter-
rupt our business;' that in consequence of this she was carried
out of the room in the chair, and your petitioner, Thomas Deacle,
was afterwards permitted by the jailor to remain with his wife;
that on the 27th your petitioner, Caroline Deacle, was brought
before the Magistrates by the under-jailor, and had read to her a
deposition of Robert Wright the younger, one of the defendants
in the late action, but that she was not confronted with any
accuser, nor were either of your petitioners ever confronted
with any' accuser from the first to the last; that finally your
petitioners were released upon bail given for your petitioner,
Caroline Deacle, and your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, without
bail in the first instance, and afterwards with bail, when new-
pretended evidence had been discovered; that in the meanwhile
your petitioner, Thomas Deacle, had declared his intention of
bringing an action against the Magistrates for assault and false
imprisonment ; that after this the indictment before mentioned
was framed against him, and the Bill found as before stated,
just at the close of the proceedings of the Special Commission
which produced the trial at the Lent Assizes, ending in the
honourable acquittal of your petitioner; and that, during the im-
prisonment of your petitioners, the letters sent to them were de-
stroyed by the jailor, in one of which was an offer of legalassistance.
Your petitioners earnestly pray that your Honourable House
will be pleased, in order to atford them a chance of relief from
the most direful oppression, to permit, if compatible with the
rules of your Honourable House, evidence in the premises to be
brought to your bar ; in which case they solemnly pledge them-
selves to prove, by witnesses other than themselves, all and sin-
gular the allegations contained in this their humble petition ;
and with all submission to the superior judgment, and in a firm
reliance on the justice of your Honourable House, they further
pray that you will be further pleased to adopt such other mea-
sures, relative to the premises, as in your wisdom you shall deem
to be most meet.

" And your petitioners will ever pray,
(Signed) " THOMAS DEACLE,
" Marwell, July 29. " CAROLINE DEACLE."
- - --- • -•

Col. EVANS moved that the petition do lie on the table,

Mr. F. BARING had taken the opportunity of stating,
on a former occasion, the circumstances of this case ; and
though there were many things in this petition that might
seem to call fcr a further statement, yet, considering the
time he had already taken up on the subject, he felt a deli-
cacy in further encroaching on the public time on the present
occasion. Still, however, he trusted the House would
bear with him, for a few moments, while he noticed one or
two of the particulars stated in this petition. Ile did not
intend now to repeat the statement he had formerly made.
When he made it, he did so partly in contradiction of the
allegations that had been advanced respecting his cousin's
and his own conduct, on the occasion referred to, and
partly with a view of making the House acquainted with
circumstances which had not previously appeared before
the public. With regard to the present petition; he was
prepared to meet it with a full contradiction. He had al-
ready made his statement of the circumstances to the
House, and there was no contradiction of his statement
contained in any part of that petition, that would induce
him to withdraw one assertion that he had then made.
The statement now made by the petitioners was contrary
to all those put forth in evidence at the trial, and sworn
to as true there. There was hardly one point in which
the two statements concurred with each other—there was
but one in which he and the petitioners agreed together,
and that was in the declaration that the evidence given
at the trial was a false account of the circumstances
that had taken place. It was said at first that
Mrs. Deacle came forward in the room, and gave
her hand to be handcuffed ; it was now said that
he (Mr. Francis Baring) had dragged her forward
to be handcuffed. At first it was said that his
cousin had shown a gun, and had used it to inti-
midate; now it was stated that a pistol and dagger were
employed, and the gun was sunk. He wished that the
two statements could be published parallel by parallel.
The plaintiff's statement, as it was now made, and as it
was then made by his witnesses, did not at all agree to-
gether, and of course no credit whatever was to be given
to either. There was one point to which he wished par-
ticularly to call the attention of the House. It was this :
It was originally stated that his cousin had carried Mrs.
Deacle to the cart ; that statement had then been denied ;
and he (Mr. F. Baring) had said that lie was the person
who had carried her to the cart. It now turned out, even
on the petitioners' own statement, that it was not Mr.
Bingham Bating, but he who had carried the lady to the
cart. When he had ventured to state that in the House,
all the persons who took a different view of the matter
Mid, that that was a matter which could not be mistaken.
Now at the time that the witnesses swore Mr. Bingham
Baring carried Mrs. Deacle to the cart, Mr. and Mrs.
Deacle were both in Court : they had the means of know-
ing wl ether the statement was true or not, yet they heard
it made, allowed it to go to the Jury, and to be commented
upon by the Judge, and never once pretended toexpress even
a doubt of the correctness of the statement when the
charge was afterwards brought forward. Mr. B. Baring
denied the fact—his attorney wrote a letter in answer to
the charge, and declared the statement not to be true ; and
' even Mr. Deacle did not admit it to be mistaken—on the
contrary, he re-asserted the fact. It was now found that
the charge, as against Mr. B. Baring, was wholly un-
founded, and the truth of the statement he had made in
the House was now admitted, yet up to this time the poi-
son had been allowed to circulate in the country, though
now the same charge was laid to him. The attorneys who
had conducted the cause on behalf of his cousin, were the
Clerks of the Peace of the county, who had in that cha-
racter prosecuted ad the patties at the suit of the Crcwn.
They were not the attorneys either for his father or his
uncle, and they had only been employed in that instance
at the recommendation of the attorneys for the family, be-
cause they were thought to know all the facts of the case.
He had felt himself bound to state all these circumstances,
because he felt he could not be silent when these accusa-
tions were brought against his cousin, and brought against
him, too, in a motion to strike his name off the list of
gentlemen in the Commission of the Peace--a motion
which could not but affect his character. He would now
make no further observations, except to say, with refer-
ence to the Gallant Officer's eulogy on the public Press,
that it would have been fairer if it had not been dragged
in ae the Gallant Officer had dragged it in on the present
occasion,

Sir T. BARING, as his name had been introduced in a
manner not very creditable to him, was desirous of trou
.bling the House with a few words upon this subject. He
was well aware that every person who acted in a public
capacity in that House, or out of it, was liable to have his
conduct traduced, and his character calumniated ; and for
himself, he could only rejoice, that when this was done
with regard to him, he had the opportunity which that
House afforded of answering the calumny. The Hon.
Member who had introchtced this petition had not had the
prnmpn pourtesy to give him the slightest notice of it—a
conduct which he should not have pursued towards the
Hon. Member under similar oircumstancea. He was
charged with having at first resolved upon committing
Mr. and Mts. Deacle to prison. That charge was not
true. It was said that Mrs. Deacle had fainted in the
chair, and that notwithstanding her state, he had ordered
ter' away, saying the Magistrates could not be troubled
with. er, or pipe e•.;:prssiona to ,hit lect. He utterly
denied having said so. He bail not, to the best of Taro re-
collection, heard her utter a single word ; he had only
come into the room accidentally at the moment when Mr.
Deacle was baviug some evidence (he believed it was
Deacle'i own) read over to him. At that momtnt he (Sir
T. oaring) saw a female in a chair, but he did not hear
her 'utter one 'word. He looked over the !evidence t ursorily,
and the cruelty of which he was then guilty, was to aug-
ust to his brother Magistrates that Mr. Delude 4iould 1 e

Ili'
admitted to bail. He took no other part whatever in 4
proceedings. When these statements were thus found .l
be unsupported by the fact, he thought that the 0,„il
would not feel much inclined to give great credit to In!
statements in the same petition. At the time that t°4l,
persons were brought to prison, he was occupied at A ,
tance of eight miles, in ende.vouring to suppress a .";
occasioned by other parties, and to take those parties 'D
custody. On his return he again read over the eeidee
in Deacle's case, and then, upon a more attentive Per'',,
than he had before given it, he found the evidence stroll
than he had before supposed, and he surrendered his °
opinion to that of the other Magistrates. These
the facts of the case as far as he was concerned.
Mr. F. BARING wished to be permitted to say, Li
there were other statements in the petition which be
not noticed, but he hoped he should not be taken to 14/1„A
admitted the truth of them because he had not contra
them.
ro il'
Mr. Serjeant WILDE said, that from his having'
,i
taken the order of the proceedings in the House, be "ei
flat been present when this discussion began. He bsggot
to express his regret at that circumstance. It seemed 4,4
he had been made a subject of accusation in the pet't'
and he found that he had been reduced to that situ'tio,
front his having discharged what he considered it to be i I
imperative duty as a Member of that House. The Pe!!
tion, so far as it referred to him, was not expressed;
those courteous terms that might be expected ; bu'dl
looked to the substance, not to the form of it. He icleji,
to recall the attention of the House to what had oceo..it
on the former occasion. He had not then expressed viti
opinion of what had taken place ; for he had not bet,i
present at the trial ; he had not gone into those r,,;
with which he was not personally acquainted ; he
.",
merely stated what he knew from the depositions lu.:
had been laid before him. He was accused in the t,'":
tidos' of having made certain statements in that HO,
'
He did not know how the petitioners became
quainter! with what lie had said there ; for he l's
looked into the Tirnes, and he did not find that he had he 4
reported to the effect now represented in the petition. 0
report was substantially correct, indeed much more
correct than could, under all circumstances, have bejeii°'
resonably anticipated. He denied that he had ever si
with heartless injustice and oppression, as the peritirn,
accused him of doing. What he said had been f 0507,1
on the depositions that were brought to his notice in wr
discharge of his duty in assisting the King's Attorne,
General in the public prosecutions. UnfortunatelYt be
account of the absence of Mr. Chambre from town,
had not been able to bring those depositions with hill',
He now came to speak upon a matter more immediate'
connected with his professional practice and his charsetei
as a Member of that House. A retail er had been left 'l,,
his chambers some time before the trial. It was antic'
pated that he could not be able to attend at the \Vial!
ter Assizes. The person who left the retainer via' T.,
so. He thought he was bound before every thing c° dig,
charge his duty in that House. A letter was written
the effect he had stated by his clerk. That retainer gs'.
him no information of the nature of Deacle's case. Ell
Members must not confound a retainer with a brief. 0,
retainer only coot mined the names of the parties. (Mr. Serjeant Wilde) had never seen Deacle or his set','
ney—he had had no communication whatever with tber°;
and it was not to be supposed that the leaving of a retallist!
with a one guinea fee was to prevent a Member of (bdij
House from doing his duty there. If any persons ti, '
suppose that, he begged they would keep their retainers,
themselves. He considered that his duty in that fl'ui,
was paramount to all others. He had no knowledge W
ever of the case.
Mr. HUME called the attention of the House t°s
fact, that the depositions against the Deacles, on 0,.'',1
the Learned Serjeant had so much relied, were disbelie;
by the Jury. He (Mr. Hume) knew nothing of the re,
tioners ; but he knew that the treatment they hod rip
ceived was cruel and unjust. One ground of reason'4
complaint on their part was, that in despair of establishj,
any other charge, they had hien accused of a consPir°'''orff
which was a symptom in the modern administratical
0,
justice. The question involved in this petition we' °t!,!
of great importance, not merely to the Deacles but to
tv
public, and it was this—how far Magistrates were resro
Bible for their conduct to the King's subjects. It is'si:eep
that the people should know why Mrs. Deacle had
hundcuffed like a common felon. it was quite clear tlot
r,
the petitioners ha,l been mistaken with regard to the Pei,
son of the Hon. Baronet (Sir T. Baring); but he (krej
Hume) did not know whether the Hon. Member ((leo,
that he had ordered that Mrs. Deacle should be handcuff
to
If he had not done so, it was of great consequence
~, i,
ascertain who was the Magistrate who had
He (Mr. Hume) put it to the House, whether it was oast
a point worth deciding, whether power should he C°.l i
tinued to such an individual ? Simple justice required tbso 1
the petition should be laid upon the table ; and that
~, 1
a future day it should be referred to a Select Comod4h-„, r
Mr. C. FERGUSON referred to the denial of the No, I
Member that he was present when Mrs. Deacle '4.
handcuffed, and to the oath of a witness to that effcc; 1
He also urged that the Jury would probably have givo, I!
larger damages than 501. it they had believed the egg.ot t
vations charged in the declaration. At the same ',lO, t,
he, too, was anxious to know who had ordered I‘Jo ti
Deacle to be handcuffed, and if he were a Member, tile
House ought to be ashamed of his association. Both' it
and her husband had had much to complain of. Si
rd
On the question being put that the petition do lie ur- 1
I
the table,
thot !(1
Sir GEORGE CLERK objected, on the ground ',,,,,1t1:
the petition, in substance, though not in form, complied k
given the orde'l !I
of what had passed in the House in the speeches k
Members.
_I ki

Lord ALTHORP had seen the petition yesterdif,', $:;
it undoubtedly was drawn up to evade the order dO,
House : it complained of what had been contained io f,
speeches of Members; but as the House, contrary t°
own order, allowed the publication: of those speeelle';t,
seemed hard upon petitioners to refuse them the 011 v,
tunity of vindication from charges contained in *peecf
On all accounts, therefore, he thought the House ought lit
to be very scrupulous upon the point, and for noetif
should not object to the laying of the petition upon
table.
$
Mr. ESTCOURT said, that as long as the ordetj,
question stood upon the journals, it ought to be enfors,lyo
It might be very proper to recall it, but at present itO,
the rule by which the House declared it would be gto it
He urged another objection to the petition, viz., lbce,
sought redress ft-on, the House in the first inss3°Of
whereas the Deacles ought to have come to it only ja.oo,
last resort. He should oppose the receiving of the
Mr. O'CONNELL contended, that if the Hon. I" ti,
her were for enforcing one standing order against ger
tioners, he ought to go farther, and enforce 8"°0
against the publication of debates.—(Hear.) He sl'ol,
like to see the Hon. Member move that the proprielpe
all the newspapers in the United Kingdom shun! of
brought to the bar, for infringing the order that r,
speeches of Members should not he published.--(get:01
hear.) Mr. and Mrs. Deacle had suffered severely' ;,,..ctf
the appointment of a Committee to inquire into the "04
might end in the triumphant acquittal of the Magistl
accused by them.
petition,Sir
the F .BUrßelDatEinTgl a'suiatsdri ldecmidoesdtlyiminpfoarvtonuitrlyoftto tie
veejjvolt?!
ministration of justice. The power under which the l‘
tios,
gistrates had acted in this instance required investig3 tgtl
and ha was strongly of Opinion, that the power exere'pe.
by Magistrates generally needed great vigilance. T° $
tition seemed to him very properly drawn, and cers3jol
was that the parties had suffered severely both in purse,rei,
person. It would indeed be an extraordinary procee,aoS
if a petition containing such allegations were rejecteth
ill inquiry refused. Sgt
The petition was then laid upon the table, and it
ordered that it should be printed.
HACKNEY COACHES.
sci,ny
Mr. S. RICE brought up the report on the 11
Coach Bill. It was ordered that it shpuld be "I,Jecl
mitted on thin. day week, aid that the Bill as 0°-
should be printed.

SUPPLY,

Mr. S. RICE moved that the House resolve itself
a Committee of Supply.
On the motion that the Speaker leave the Chair, nof:
Mr. G. ROBINSON put a question to the Chant 10,
of the Exchequer as to the order in which the P°
business was to be taken.
A Oil
Lord ALTHOLIP replied, thit it was in;4l••ri,
the Committee of SupY should situ ntil ten o cl e
c*:• std
that then the House sho pluld enter upon the wine du"', ,
WRECK OF THE ROTHSAY.
Col. SIBTHORPE expressed a hope that his 1118..lehely
Ministers would turn their attention to a late owls° Ile
occurrence—the loss of the Rothsay steam-Padet'oeo
hoped that the Under-Secretary fur the Home DePrtry on
would participate in the feelings of the whole coun;Ance'
that subject, and would investigate the eircurn. kte
which were made pgliiic gy the popper:a 14queo,
trusted that his Majesty's Ministers would. relievebefore
from the necessity of bringing the subject formallyt the
the House, and would introduce a measure to provenio
frequent recurrence of accidents of that kind, and toy 04
in a snmmary—(A laugh)—and proper way
owners, who should cause such a catastf4Plle Y,.
drunkenness Or neglect.
Mr. LAMB thought that the subject

?Peeially c
Jmine‘liate i
of the rneia
Measures We
seem to refit
,
Sir AD
h. pi
tradeuP the;
adjour
sib! nment,
e• Alth(
did not agree
e sittinggh)
I
and to contin
oessa,),
would
vate but on
Lord Ad,
ctteurnstances
Bested to him
0 the r),
thi„, tight
.K
Hess
°NDUCTe tlt the woo
11
nt--that

part whatever
were thus IMO'',
ght that the 11°e,
great credit to ot!,,
the time that tbd%
as occupied at a
to suppress a
;e those parties 111,
d over the evider
ore attentive Per
;he evidence stros
surrendered his °.„4
trates. These Na
oncerned. 10
rmitted to sap, •
tition which be is
lot be taken to "s.,
had not contradic'

rom his having Til;
the House, be
began. He begti
ice. It seemeill7
Lion in the pe°t°
:ed to that situat'o,i4
moidered it to be b,

House. The P!
Ls not expressed j 0
expected ; buts
nof it. He wisbrel
1 what had occur
then expressed sr,
r he had not herj
le into those 11;
cquainted ; he
he depositions I',
accused in the II:
ntti in that DWI
:ioners became
there ; for he hs
nd that he had le
n the petition.
Iced much more Po
nstances, have VI
: he had ever P,
as the petitione;
d had been founde"
) his notice in tp
e King's Attorners
Unfortunately, rte
bre from town, r
)sitions with bin'
more immediAteli
and his cbarate;
er had been left LI,
I. It was antics•
d at the Winch
,e 1;

retainer wats:dvi,,
every thing to
er was written
That retainer eve,
eacle's case. Ei°ft
7 with a brief. od
the parties. ,
telcle or his arr°'
hatever with the;
caving of a reno,
a Member of lid
If any persons .0,
p their retainerse
duty in that H° t,
o knowledge whil
the House 05 I
Deacles, on w°ld
11, were disbelieT,
othing of the Pet
tment had re
tment they
.ound of reasorl.
pair of establish',
,
rd of a consPirP;o(
administration le
is petition was tht
Deacles but to
Crates were resP°p
abjects. It ivas.„
Deacle had
vas quite clear trr,
regard to the 5.
ng); but be 0.5
m. Member dear
Juld be handcun
.at consequence
ad given the orer;
vhether it was °°,
ver should be cc.;
istice required tOl
able ; and that r°
Select Comroo°
denial of the 11°'
,vie
Mrs. Deacle•
ess to that care"
°
obably have giroe,,
ielieved the egg,
the same tr
had ordered A''
ere a Member, 4',, ,
t!iation. Both s"
plain of.
notl
!tition do lie or

tot
the ground
form,
the speecheg

,ion yesterdely,
the order of

n contained if, t;
ie, contrary 10
those speech
then' the oPP:e

lined in epees";s
le House ought ht
, and for one tie
petition upon
,
tg as the oraer.s,
ht to be enfort
t
: at present 10,
wonld be rotii
ition, viz., 0°,4,
se first insOPtio
to it only iu 0,
ng of the petitile
f the Hon. D'et',
der against Petit,
I enforce 10°10
!ar.) He sl'°l, oi
the proprietor'. 0,
ngdom should
the
Le order that
iblislied.--( get:o;
-ed severely ;,
sire into the Ote,
I the MagiO
avour of receiril
)rtantly to the
er which the
too,
red investiOild
e power exert
gilance. The P,
n, and cero'
both in pnoe
Hoary prove
were were rejected,'
''ll
table, and it
S.
on the I"
. Ti.coo,elr
hpi;jd be "";detl
Bill as am
er'
resolve itself

the Chair, vor
'.a the Chance,li,
which the P9w

a
:s •
t, i (mock,.
the wine utle"

SAY. .
e ,ty'°
that hia AIaJ holy
late inelan'' tle
am-packet. rieo
'erne DePar"v 00
thole c°untr,
r,a:acxe
el
citeuo"t
!rigout' hi'
a
uld relleve.
efore
t formal'," the
e to prevenunisli
tul, and tops
way captain
their
strophe by

w, 0„, whi'h