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be the Right Hon. Gentleman's intention to force I
the House. The House of Commons was
.a•Juo,
which-voted by a majority ; hist it might so happen,
that in the minority on such a sqbjetl there 'might I
be numbers and n'ames'who ()night not to be put itito
the distressing situation ,spAkini their naked 6vn-
tiruents.on the charaaer of the Duke W York. He
allowed that his Royal Highness had been guilty .of
corruption, bet be .denial the.. right ofthp_Rigkt.
Hon. Gentleman to sift his heart, and make him, de-
clare whether or not. he tbotighrany other Unplea-
sant thing had occurred. He would go us star as
vony man to spare the feelings of his Majesty, but.
be most do .his duty% The general character of
his Royal Highness, the kindness and concilia-,,.
r non of .his. manners--the beneficial regulations
had introduced in the witty—his .eKad
attention to business—all combined to enhance
the pain with',y.thich be said ,that in his opinion
hti could not retriain where he WdS. The, man
who should devise (he most mild method of
cenveyMg this opinion should have his support.
Such a 'deelaration' was due front the 'House to
their Constituents. There was a;tirne when nothing
could have.made him more happy than to hear that
the DUke 91 -York had resigned; such a step, would
have.been without imputation; and not without a
.preeedent. In the reign of Queen Anne, the Cern-
missionees of Public Accounts reported a transaction,
by which they declared, that the Duke of .Marlbo-
roughltadundttly put 30001. in 144 pocket,. On the',
Hpuse of CoMmons determining to take this matter
into'consideration, her Majesty in Council declared,
that being atmiotts:the. investigation should be con-
, ducted impartially, she removed the Duke from all his
appointments,. Thu D'uke's enemies prevailed ; but
his friends had this satiSfa4ion, that no vote recent-
, merhiing his diSniissal'rernained on the joeitialti.—
Re,txpoted his regret at the dilemma to which the
Right Hon. Gentleman had driven him and the

.Mr.B.L.Tuortsr.followed ; but having his back to
the Gallery, and speaking in a very indistinct tone of
voice, we found it impracticable to Coned his senti-
ments any fakher than as he appeared to us, detet-
mined to
.press the Resolution. which op a ;former
night he had ihimself submitted to the Houso.
Mr, Bxttn,sm declared his opinion
.to be,,that the
Duke a York was.not °guilty of corruption., ,He
thought-it sufficient. for the charader of 'this: Duke
`Of York, and for the sense of tbe,publie, that this
should have.beea declared by a large majority, and
disapproved of calling now upon a small minority to
give a decided contrary opinion. Of the two Ad-
dresses which had been the subject of discussion
(Mr. Wardle's and Mr. Ilankes's), he approved'
rather of the original one, as he would rather at once
stab a man to the heart in open day than butcher him
while he smiled in his face. The Doke .of
was in his mint' innocent of corruption, but
might, at the same time belroilty of gross miscon,
duct. Yet he did not seelioW the .Right
-Gentletnan opposite (the Chancellor of the Exche,
quer) could . with propriety, be o:illed upon to pledge
himseF(to any suhsequent resolutioti, because he
was suffered to withdraw that he wished to relin-
quish., The subsequent proceedings were'altegethet
in the, power of the House. The lion, Getulernan
then ,00;witented. on part of the speech of Mr.' Wig.'
berforce on a former nlgltt, inKl.thought it one:'of,
the most unhappy ideas tor an Address. that ever
wis conceived, to wish to contrast
,the condo& of
the Sons of the Royal Tilood with that of their tin-
gust Father. To give the House, however, an idea
of his sentiments, he would state. what resOlutions
he would hate thought ifniCessaryliTcorrie to. The
first should have been that his Royal Highness was
not guilty of corruption i—the second, that he was
guilty of no personal connivance at corrupt praa-
t ice.; t—but the third should be,,tliat he had per-
miffd undue influence in.the disposal Of Omninis-
sions,Promotions, Exchanges, &c. froth the effects
of a connexion highly immoral, injurious to the
army, and to the subjeas of the British Empire.
Ur. emti'w 11 'GUT thought ,the House . hot:it'd to
come to a decision of guilty or not guilty of corrup.
tion or connivance, which latter Was, in his opinion,
much worse than a mere knowledge,. and liAble to
as heavy a punishment as the lorruer. He agreed
that there might be other matters disclosed which
ought to be censured.
Sir HMI MONTOOI4gRY' said, he was prepared
to Come to a vote of guilty or not guilty, and he
did not conceive it to be the dutyof the Housetu
express their opinion of other matters, which were
not charges. He preferred Resolutions to an Ad-
dreii, because in the ft:inner the. House coold
~exp-
ress the grounds ent which they came to their de-
terminations.

Lord W. RiPsitzt.. -rose to the matter of form
only. He was of opinion, that the questien of guilty
or not guilty should.follow, and not precede the de-
claration of their sentiments. Abuses were proven
to have exisiid, and the Hon. Gentlemen appu,iie,
after raising the cry of -punishment without trial,
Were pow calling fora decision, aye or without,
investigation. The House had it in their power:to
refuse supplies before inquiry into any supposed
abuses, how much more ought they to do so now,
W.
.
when abuses ere known to exist, without their
being remedied ?
Sir S. HALL did not think there was sufficient in-
I •
formation before the House to come to a decision of`
guiltyor not guilty.' He agreed that there was no
personal.eorruption, and would accord with the Re-
solution or the Right Hon. Chancellor of the EXche-
quer, that there were " no grounds for an opinion
of corinkanee," if he (the Chancellor of the Exche-
que,r) would only put the word " Sufficient" before
the word grounds."
Mr. C. ADANts delivered his opinion as differing
train the Chancellor of the EXcheqUer.

Mr. LOCKHART said, that the full convi6tion
on his mind, after the most diligent .perusal and
consideration Qt the evidence, was, that it would not !.
warrant an opinion, that the Duke 9f York was !'
guilty, of corruption, or of participation or conniv-
ance
corrupt prances. After declaring this tO be.
&h it opinion, s he thought the o:untie must do, it
would be deserting their duty if they did not.come
to a decision upon the other matters developed in t;ie
course of the investigation. They were called on, -in
justice to the Duke of .Yerk and to the Public, to
pronounce a sentence upon him for the crimes mu-
mitred againit soCiety.

, Sir WILLIAM CURTIS 010031 that no corruption
bad been proven) and that- the Iloti,e were buund
to prouounco a decick(f. Iye or no.

M, WOoln conitnet4ted on what bad fn teas
fr.(on Mr. Tierney, 'who tbooght wac no cor-
ruption or connivance, and yet-had tiritt‘thing to
censure, to which he could give no name or de-
sctlyt 4,11.
_ .

, ,„
Au.. TZ GSRALD, as the mode ofproeeeding
.1* beet'
.ot so complicated a nature, thought it ne*
GeSsary to explain the reason of his votes on a for-
.suereteming. .He had voted-for-bath-the Addresses,_
though he didnot think either of them altogether
right. He voted for them, not that he entirely
agreed with them, but 'because they were, in his
opinion, preferable to the alternative which he sup:
posed must have immediately tollowed 011 their
rejettlion—to ogree with the second Resolutiou-.of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, He Was. free,(rem.
every connection with the 4(131 Parody; and tinder
no obligation: for favours ; yet nu man world feel
more than he .would for any 'degradation of one pf
its members. He wished, in their votes, -to draw a
line of distinetion between corruption and conniv
anCe. As for Addresses, he objected to them on two.
groands--:-First, because after such an inquiry, the
House ()tight: to come to
.a ,substantive decision, on
their own constitutional authority,. without appeal-
ing to the Crown ; and, ally, because he would
wish not to hurt the feelings of his 4tije!ty on such
an occasion. Hewever he would 'resist the popular..
impression, he could not remain insensible :to the,
,general : feeling of the nation, and therefore disliked
,the Itetiolutions that were to follow the:first of •the •
Right 'floe. Chancellor of the Exchequer. He )a-
merited the Mode of proceeding which had bean
adopted, .as it bad brought matters of great scandal
forward, which had an erred upon the public mind,
and Obliged the House to come to a decision tin
matters that ought never to.haVebeen brought un-
dertheir Cognizance. It would lia‘;e heenbetter tor
• Ministers to have met the original Address by the
; previous question, and have giicn it a decided nega-
, than
.to have done it in,the:circlaniStantial way
they had resorted to.
General .Fattcosox, as a military man, wished •
to 4o all that }vas to ;his '
poster for the belie& of his
brother Officers. It ever grive.him since,re pleasure
to aeknewledge the great services rendered by the
Commander in Chief to the British army,. and the
many and regulations he had
formed to; its welf4l-0. With these nigh sentiments
of what the army owed• to the Dok' of York,
he must regret that he had beet
by evidenec;* to join in a vote` of certiure. His
private. feelings,. "however,: gave. way to fits sense
of public duty, and, unless lie hay. been guided by
that aense, lie would have :convoyed hooself
worthy of the seat _he held. _ In his, opimbn the
Duke of York Was extremely culpable ; and until
theteldad ,which', now counted tlte.people was dis-
pelled, he could not :hold his situation with comfort
tolomself or advantage to the public.
Lorcffi.. PETTY paid a iribute'of applause, totlig
fair aildma4ly rnmiliestation of his opinien by the
,gallant .Genetal.' • It was the
,gperal opinion of the
Heuse
.t hat the
.I'oo4 lion, (.401.44. wA,V.o.kno;iouAwoi
unneceg.sary,ilnnt objettionat*,Andrke only tjitfer7
ence was, whether it should be negerved or wit},-
drawrt. Ho objected to it, as behig a foundatien for
limiting And conf4ping Oleirlnture views of flmso..
jett, and fully trusted, that the House of Commons
• would recovise not fling
.but the oftieial,Qharettier,
without
,lookjUg beyond that to find thy son of a
King, or any. other per Gil. He did not object to
the inution.being withdrawn, but would rather wish
it to ho negatimf.
I Mr. Coil's justified the Duke of York and Co.
lone! Gordon from. some imputation that had been
thrown out on a former night, relative to leaping
bit& a letter.

An, Hton. MemlAer; untier ial;ery, whose
natue,we could ;not learn, but who *.as attet-watcls
alluded to as •" a Gallant General," spoke highly in
tavour,of the Duke ot York, in hiF:otticial capacity.
He declared, that it he .was removed tram the
Chiet Cons wand, the most friendless and
.unpatro-
nised'portion at the flritish 01litters would lose the
man who stow between them and the etTeds of
Parliamentary and, political influence. To such
men,. as well as to. the army in general, his loss
would be irremediable.

The CHAHCELI9R 'of the EXCHEQUER hoped the
llouse,v‘ould not think him pertinacious in wishing
to withdraw his motion, rather than to have it ne-
gatived. His reason was this, that when be first
made the propbsition, it was misunderstood, and he
had endemourcd to explain and take away the ob-
noxious part the moment lie was aware of the cir-
cuinstance. It was therefore to prevent misrepre-
sematjon that be Was anxious to withdraw his mo-
tion altogether .but if the Nobiti Lord (EL Petty),'
or the House, wished io.negative it, he would sub-
mit to I tun, c)i)ly previously aster dingy; it, sq as, -to
leave H 0 YOUtl) tot inisittierpreiaiion.
Amidst a general cry Of Withdraw,' withdraw!
the Speaker put the question, and the first Resolu-
tion was withdrawn.

The CHANCRLLOR of the li.,XCHERI/i.R said, 'he
had now to propoSe flis.sccona Resolution,. which
went to es.lahlish the' guilt or innOcebee of the
Luke of York. thii Altijeet.lied been so lunch
discussed, he, Would art": offer a few •obgervatioos
on what' had hveri said, c6line..q.ied with the itiu-fe
adopted in .the present in-Aaticr. He shad Adopted
the suggestion of: an lino'. Gentleman on the item
(Mr. kiathurst) in order to convey 'his.sense, that
his Royil 1-rig'mess was not guilty of corruption, or
of Connivance at corruption, in the trioit clor
tier. The Resolution he had to subinit, would
therefore he—

" That itis the opinion of this House, after the fullest
and most ationtivc hived 'piton of. the evidence teportLAty
Ole COUliniltee of the whale MOW, apliointetj t., ingoite
into the s..:Qiiituet 014iN Rnyal iiighilesii the Duke of Nark,
that there is no ground t r i.h i I ging Turn, in the execution of
his ohiceot.coonn44“ ehict; with peritniai corruption,
'as ali:;gect in the said evidence, or any conniv.ince. itiLoe
Corrupt and intinnoty,pr.ietit:es tttrrein expose',.l.7
HIS meaniog •disfin:Aly t his, that 'We're 'Was no
ground, for, carry ing forward such charges againSt his
.Royal Highness, as they %ere riot Ibtinded in fad.
Au lion, Gentleman IMr. Tierney) had said, he
-coithr not agree with because something on-
pleasant against' the Duke of York remained on his

mind. Surely the present Re.ioltition did not pa..
elude ahy 411biequent vxpre-Isign, of. that fechug ;
and-he could not think, that, as a notshation, this
expression of ,Opiniti Wag liable 19 nos, obj,lttion to
which it would not have. been equally
,liable in the
form of an Address. kJc contended, that it would
have been untair not to haye come IQ a distitia
cision ; and that unanUnity, purchnied at the

pence of ambiguity, would be purchased with aii,
grace. There could be no innocent connivance on
the part of his RoyatHighness in this case. Negli-
gence of suspicion was itupossible to be urged in.
extenuation ; for it they decided that be stispeeted,
and atierwards' granted the requests of Mrs. Clarke,
they must go further, and pronntince him guilty.
But this was no more proven in evidence than a di-
fee-knowiedge. • had • now to Say iffeW words
ou the effeet of this Resoltition,.as . terminating:or
not terminating theii.proceadings. His original iu-
tention was, after this Resolution, to .have moved.
aoAddteas. That Address .would ae open,to
Auiendoient. and :might :be Iramed either as a
grave censul.?,. rn for-thorqmayat of theriommir Jet
in Chief.. tie had,frorn the, first.declared,:thatitatof
ought riot to stop.here, but that it .Was inCnifinent
03 them to do sninething,more on the serious mat,- •
tern ti,at had been disclosed. It had been saiti•tql
,Address would be hetterlhan this,Re,soltitiooo)o
he was.of opinion timt,thezilecision of corruption.ol
Connivance was better Jim in Resolution, beeett.ge
it carried in ,the .affirmative, it would serve as a
ground on which the House could:gp to trial, and
ulterior criminal .proaeedings. The -other nutlet
might be fitting for an -Address, as. either. for thP
on their Journals, that. was sufficient.
removal of the Duke of'Yorlt,or a vote of et:atilt
The Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) had not rightly einierstodd
his objetit, whiCh was to declare that no crime h:id
been"44l;,.‘,itte d.WI4IC!V
P, & rive tin', ow:try
g,,..„,
of th 6 a. person ‘.k, 110, *it• generally Al-
lowed, had for-sixteen .je43 iertortoedv the int-
poriAtit chines of hi 3 stat.ot. ; s
with tot.rc aedit than
almost nay ether individvol itate,Jcitte. The.
Gailant General.over the waty.:(Wetgosoe), and the
Gallant Gmeral wideritliespliery, had, though Or
different opinions upon Ate preset;t goestion,,etinallY
joined in bestowing the nr.titt,ilitioJ cointtienit4l)
eatrned, by the Royal Duke, and !,.! thought it .ss'or#
thy. of mature: consitleratioo, wbetlicr at, a time 464
the
.present, when set intic:4 depended %wan the
armyi would Iv! desirable to re:nove.s) able ,and
4illigent .a bead from its management. He wa4 ,t!s'
tonished at the lion-Gentienrani,s (Mr. Tierney')
expressing snub an opinien,,afier bad schnOr•
lecigiai that, there, was, no-corruption--that be
,v4f
tit.t to be influenced by an unenlighttitted, papule
chnnour—and that moral eondud 'was no sullici4nt
Found for condemnation. 1,-4., 'could not the On'
eeivo.what induced the Urn; Gentleman to., thit4
his Royal Hightle*f ~ought to .he tlismissed at all.
The Right Hon. Uentientan then concluded by td-,
stating the leatii9g points itt:his foregoing onterva•
tious. .
•

"Mr. 14ITTLETPA Wls „Wry co be thus caDed
40,ckli,ver P. express opinion, though ,
doubt ".ibe Light Hon,.
,Gentlemau hitt; nod TeasoP4
for thinking•hinuelf right in eufon:ing such .a diittio4
decision. t it %i as Ai() t j eutlitgo;
on ~the Hou,se to come to six:it a detettnitbit44O ItsY
the constitutional laws, but .to opiniot's.
without- pronouncing „judgment, ,as in
Courts. Inlni,pportof that opiniep, be cited the 'N•
cPrOs of the beginning of the reign of charieslit.
Firs!. .The Address by the Hon. .Gentlent.nr whq
brought forward thecharges he cads iderod as t nirc.
the general.. interest, taxiie'tf by tries
•I'cit'luech°llc.4dii:_arnosPptfi4o'lPt'kerre.ritilteieHeosd;ai
their i:nleotarrm;yl irtti::Elliekut4:erntic!inon
ttlicllr'ltledrer'lN:'Clic•l'3ll,73.thiolt-;;:Ylige'°lirr:esirtPibl'alec:jsa:
The House,
,he frosted, wo,,ild do the Jutitii,o
to believe he *as adnated tly no' iliworthy
where he stated, that in his opinion, the clialw.A.
against the Duke tif York had. been' fairly substan-
tiated'; if not according :to the rules .0. legal
dance, in a manner satisfaistory to the utidet..
standing of every Gentleman who considered the,
evidenCe which had been addiiced. The mass of
evidence before them was the best that could posse'
My be obtained in such a case, it wits so correhe-
rated by circumstances and fats, and so deal/
traced by documents wader the hand and seal Pf.t66'
person accused (which, in fa&, amounted olino
to a confession of guilty, that he was tit rt
.10)3S to (3)(3.'.
CiVe how any:doubk
:could exist. Whatever °light
be alleged against the character. of the witnesses.
examined, when it was considered that many of ilk
were ruining themselves by stating what chef'
there was but little reattan to doubt the truth of tha4r
assertion's. The evidence broti;ht forW,ard to Prove
*hat his Royal Highness had, in home ingtalice.4,
improved the army,, he --i
tlunght wholly irrelevaoi,
and nugatory, as it did not prove that the Owl-
mander in Chief
which, it was Admitted, had gained tootilig in 1,11!
was not a party in the corruption
army
Tf
felt f.O agf
the enti:i
(lett iiiif:egh,icsiotßuwiol'uaa
would be
iiibt r11.1:1e:
profesed advocates, who not only oppfr)ed t!lni
charges being. brought' foru%ard, but elide:o%W'
its Pr-I-Tvect the meaning of the lion. Gmileman 1144
of a conspiracy against the l-feuse t,t Pr01t,17,---
wick, the revival jleabinism;
mighty magician (4dounid
wonderful infinence was so nniverkally atlini;leui► 1
Li.
0)0it potent- spells would have no. effclA qn
when thietidcil to coleintice blm that si.Xl). 3 '`l"7'.o.
existed. hi the He could not :lin'..''.
the attempts Akhicii fieen made to
Lihorty ot the ere;,, by coiuplaiiiip of
tion‘inesS ; such a e:,)intilaiii( came %%Oh a ?AY
grl4e (fort' tiitslit so niiich undi.3*
"4"; i- Dolutof wou;tl 11:1v,?
much better,'' in his opirtiois, it his Ni,tiosiyh
tt:ts hod 4QI appeare,t unanimous hi'
ThP.l-4401'Clettlienhiii then to
taro paPePi or resolutious• which hail beet' raid belid4,6
that House in tf,013, taiviing forth that 'TIL) M''a
1,1,"! ;f
of Parlhment 5h0.,1,1 perivAito to take
euiLlainetit t,-;vvprotekent, rind . alt
dens shouts he expelled; now, :though he difi
wish to go to the tall length of such ltesoluti.oL4i
}li
fretit,Thl escont‘i,l,di
enl
)0, t. blnfer ego
Irde
ktlit?:vm tv{t+"ttler it
might not ex'poirhirosellto unpleasant rcLOJr 44,1,
ltttl Rant H
r+
tertw„.
1 CI I),
ea ri,,t,ttpc,oth:it tet
+'o 141 ntA tileet upon""--1,-;.
par, know,that that the:
ci
s.,d-..sitiotyti"o l‘Llihilye
carried against him.
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