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ATLAS ASSURANCE OFFICE.

Cheapside, London, June 2, 184.5.
TH 'COURT of. DIRECTORS' do hereby
give Notice, that the ANNUAL GENERAL COURT
of PROPRIETORS will he held at the LONDON TAVERN,
Dishcipsgate.street, on WEDNESDAY, the Mb day of July
next, at One o'Clock precisely, pursuant to the Deed of Set-
tlement, to receive the Report of the President and Court
of Directors, to Elect Five Directors and Two Auditors, hi-
the room of those.whu go out of Office, and to.declare a fr.
vidend; also to take into consideration a recommendation
front the Court of Directors, as to the investment of tin
property of the Company.
lIENRY DF.SBOROUOU. Jun. Se-retary.

LEEDS and LIVERPOOL CANA L, and DOUGLAS NAVI.

CATION.
NOTICE is hereby given, that the next GE-
NERAL ASSEMBLY of the- COMPANY of PRO
PRILTORS of the _abort (;ANAL will hu held, by adjourn-
ment, fur the dispatch of business; at the House of Mrs.
Rebecca Wood, the TALBOT BRADFORD, in the
County of .Yorls. on FttIDAY, Vitt] day of June instarst,
at Eleven o'Clock in the Forenonn, when and where the Pro-
prietors, by theniselves or their proxies, are requested to
attend. • 'By Order,

• SAMUEL HAILSTONE, Law CIL.Lk.
Bradford, sd Juni,• 1826;

C OR. N%V A 14 and • DEVONSHIRE
MINING COMPANY.
CumantAx—PETEß MOORE, Esq. M.P.
DEPUTY-CHAIRMEN.
S. B. M. BARRET, Esq. DI.P. the lion. R. BINGHAIII.
DI !LECTORS.
I W. Newman, Esq.
I Right Hon. Viscount Palmer-
ston, M.P.
Sir John Perring, Bart.
Philip Perring, Esq.
Hon. W. F. Powlett, M.P.
W. Reynolds, Esq. Mogan
Colonel Talbot,
Thu. Teague, Esq. Redruth
TORS.
W. L. Ogilbv E Rob. Talbot, Esq.
‘3 sq.
I V. Wilkinson, Esq.
SOLlclToßS—Messrs. Wilks and Verbeke."
The Directors of this Company inform the Proprietors, that
4.4 Delmtation has left London .for Cornwall and Devonshire, to
09ect the Mines belonging to the Company ; and that on the
turn of the Deputation, the substance of their Report will be
communicated. JOHN WOOD, See.
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CGIVIAIITTEES OF PRIVILEGE.
Counsel were heard in the Roscommon Peerage, which was
again postponed.
The pleadings in the De Lisle Peerage were also heard in
part.
Proceedings were resumed in the Gardiner Peerage, which
was adjourned to Thursday next; after which 'the Bishop of
CH EsrEit read prayers. •
The Appeal of " Fletcher v. Sondes," was further heard.
Adjourned at four o'clock:during pleasure, and at Live the
Lord CHANCELLOR took the Woolsack.

Mr. TOMLINS from the iceasuTiiiesented an'Account of
the yearly value or Imports from Canada for the year 1823
and 4.

MESSAGES FROM THE COMMONS.

• Mr. BROODER, ColonellYcohi, and others, brought up
the Cotton Mills Labour Bill, the Quarantine , Laws Repeal
Rill, and a number of other Bills, (tg fiats of whiele.it teas irr-
piwible to hear below the Bar), wlfich were artz..rwards read a
tirnt time.

The -Earl- or LAUDERDALE presented a petition from
Owners and Occupiers.Of Lard in the county of Norfolk,
against any alteration in the Corn Laws.
Lord SUFFIELD presented a petition from the Cotton_
spinners in Burnsley, praying for an amelioration in the condi.
thin of the Factory children. He was happy, he added, that a
Bill in tavour of the prayer of the petitioners had just been.
brought tip from the other House of Parliament. That mea-
sure, it WAS true; lid.not go far enough ; but, such as it was,
he should rejoice to accede to it.
Lord KENYON presented a petitior. to the same affect,. as
the above, front the Cotton-spinners of Preston.
The Earl-of DARNLEY presented a petition from a person
of the name of Burridge, who complained of the present state
of the Navy, and especially of the dry rot, and praying for an
inquiry into the same.
The Earl of DONOUOHMORE presented a petition from
Dennis O'Callaghan, Esq., of•the city of Ctirk, complaining
that he had been much represented .in the evidence before the
Committee on the state of Ireland, and praying for redress.—
Referred to the said Committee.
JURIES AND JURORS.

• The LORD CHANCELLOR—On a farther day, my Lords,
I mentioned to your Lordships my intention of moving .the
second reading of an important and salutary Bill, regulating
both Juries and Jurors, then brought up from the other:Boa:se
of Parliament, when it should consist with the convenience of
this House. As, I humbly apprehend, there can be no objec-
tion to the motion, 1 move that this Bill be now read a second
time.
The above Bill was forthwith.read. _ _

Upon the motion of the Noble and Learned Lord, the Bill
was then committed for Friday next, and their Lordships were
ordered to be %ammo:bed.

THE QUARANTINE LAWS.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY now moved the first reading
of the Qinrantine LaWs Modification Bill, when
The Karl of DARNLEY took occasion to remind their Lord-
ships of the objections he had lately made to the alterations in
our system of quarantine. He was desirous that a measure of
such interest should not be hurried through the House; and,
therefore, he wished the second reading to stand for Friday
next.—Ordered.
CANADA CORN BILL.

'rite Earl of LIVERPOOL moved the Order of the Day
for committing this Bill.
Lord ICIN(k would vote for this Bill going into the Commit-
tee, on the ground that he hoped it would be the forerunner of
a better next year. He thought that there was some good seed
sown in the cabinet,-which would, perhaps, spring well up in
• due time. But there were some rank Irish weeds, some no
less rank Scotch, and he.was afraid not a few rank English
weeds, constantly springing up, which might choke the seed
and disappoint the harvest. Situated as the cabinet was, he
wondered. how this Bill was brought in, and *doubted whether
some persons gave a sincere vote for it. Ministers must doubt-
less have great difficulty. in keeping their landed friends in or-
der on the present occasion. • They paid, it was true, much de-
ference to the consul over the way (Lord Liverpool), but they
felt that a more perfect obedience was due to Casar—to the
great dictator on the woolsack. If, however, he were Prime
Minister, he would lower their tone—by putting the laws
among them—by asking them why their rents should always be
high ? He would speak the plain•truth to them, and tell them-
that the interests of all the other classes of society were not to
be sacrificed to theirs. He was yesterday reeding a book—a
very good book, written by a divine—in which it was stated
that hell was 'paved with good intentions. He supposed the
Treasury was also paved with good intentions, though, like
those of the other place, they were very slow in coming to per.
fection. For instance, the present Corn Bill had paised many
years ago, when we were said to be in a transition trout war to
peace. The transition, however, had lasted long, and
17,000,0001. of taxes ad been reduced without any alters)•
tion in the Corn Laws. . .

The Bill was then committed.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE made a few observations on
the first clause of the Bill, which he considered hastily and in-
accurately drawn up, but did not oppose it.
The Earl of lIIALIIIESBURY, though he objected to this
measure, disclaimed any wish to raise his rents, and regretted
that such language as that used by the Noble Lord( King) should
have been uttered in that House. He then proceeded to object to
the clause under consideration, on the ground that it did not
afford sufficient protection to the English farmer. His Lord-
ship concluded by moving that the clause be omitted.
Lord KING observed, that nothing was so good as a good
name ; it was a fine thing to cry out for the protection of agri-
culture just as it was to raise the cry of " No Popery."
Lord LILFORD defended the protectors of the agricultural
interests from the sarcasms of the Noble Lord (King). In op-
posing the clause, he disclaimed acting in the spirit of a mono-
polist. As manufacturers become informed, they would see
diat.their interests were intimately connected with those of the
agriculturists. In the absence of information on the subject,
he Was not prepared to say either content or not content on this
clause; but if he were urged to decide one way or the other,
Undoubtedly, without sufficient information, he would say " not
content ;" and on that ground—nanaelr, the want of informs-
tion—be would support the motion of the Noble Earl (Malmes-
bury).
'the Earl of LIVERPOOL could not allow the motion to
go to a vote without stating the grounds on which he support-
ed the clause. The subject was one of the most important,
in his opinion, which could be discussed• in that !louse.—
lie would not, at present, say one word on the general ques-
tion of a free corn trade ; but even those who most strenuous-
ly argued the expediency of such a system, never laid it
down without reserving some protection for the agricul-
turists. lie contended, however, that a liberal system was
atended with no danger whatever from America; the waters of
the Atlantic were a sufficient security against that. "the dan-
ger, if any there was (and he did .not here say that there was
or was not any), arose from the European market. No danger
could possibly arise from the states of America generally, and
particularly from our own American colonies. The real ques-
tion was, the good or evil which might result from this mea-
sure twenty years hence. The average importation from Ca-
nada was lfi,ooo quarters annually ; the largest quantity that
had been imported from thence m any one year was 47,000
qUarters : if this bill were to pass, many years must elapse be-
fore 100,000 quarters could be imported. It had various difil-
culties to contend with ; the duty was 55., and the insurance
and freight were lbs. 6d., besides which, the trade was stint iv,
for six months in the year, and confined exclusively to British
sh ips. So far from being injurious in its consequences to
agriculture, he maintained that this measure would be bene-
ficial to it, and therefore it was most extraordinary to him
that any prejudice should exist against it. But, on the other
hand. had any Noble Lord reflected on the immense import-
ance of Canada to this country ? The mercantile navigation
of thistoastl h,700,000 tons, and of that, be-
tweena employed by Canada ; addi-
tiont country was one of the main
props
id fifth
our trade
from it were taken all the best and.
acofouonitthry amounted w
t o
of which
our
hardiest of our seamen. But by a narrow and contracted po-
licy towards Canada (it .
was a different thing with respect to
the Baltic), their Lordships would .throw all that navigation
into the United States. Canada was not poor; she prnvered,
she throve ; and he trusted she would continue to prosper 'and
thrive, but.he wanted to make her.feel that she. prospeted and
throveim time
h e bywith Great Britain ; and at the same
their Lordshp importance of
efeel the
rlier wished connexiontothsko i
not throwing away the advantages which she afforded to this

country. he Noble Earl, after replying to some of the oh-
jections of the Noble Lord who had spoken last, said he. was
satisfied to alter the duration of the clause to three years, which
would afford them an opportunity of judging of the,Ojections
to it; for he confessed that nothing could caese him more se-
vere disappointment, than the rejection of this measure. He
objected. to its being limited to one-year, :It'au;ti- he hoped
that all the Corn Laws would undergo revision next year &tit
this, he contended, ought to be taken separately fmor the others,
for Canada stood on distinct grounds. Let the- general Cr'-o
Laws be taken upon their own merits ; but this tneastire, 11e
was Satisfied, was right and expedient. • .
The Earl of LAUDERDALE argUed against the clause...lt
was supported, it seemed, on the 'ground of the importance: cif
Canada; but had the Noble Lord -oPpealte overlooked that jai:
portance when the regulations were fiamed for the impartation
of corn from other countries ? He could not consent to that-,
clanse•without further information. •
Lord.DACRE objected to the- clause--.first, in the absence
of sufficient information; and -next; on the ground of suCli
formation as he had received. He contended that in enacting
this clause, they were legislatingnot for Canada, but for the
United States; for the United States would haVe no difficulty
in smuggling their corn
_into Casts along the .lakes. The.
House was -therefore enacting That -the whale produce of the
United States might be imported, at an adequate duty;into
country for three years to Come. He hoped, - therefore, their
Lordships would pause before they passed a measure that might
be. followed by the destruction of agriculture.
Earl BATHURST combated the objection to the clause
• founded on - insUfficientinforniation. They could not .ground
any just calculations on the present price of wheat in Canadni
because if the ports were throWn open it would immediately
advance; but three years' experience would enable them to
form the best judgment upon the subject. He denied that there
was.a great facility for smuggling from the United States into
Canada; the Canadians knew it was their interest to oppose it,
and they did so effectually.
The Earl of AIALIIIESBURY asked why it might not be
deferred to next Session ?

The Earl of LI VERPOOL said his objection to deferit to
next Session was, that it would haie the effect of mixing it up
with the general question, and it was most essential. that it
should be kept disurict.
A few words were then interchanged between the Earl of
MA,LMESIIVRY and the Earl of LIVERPOOL, with respect to
the duration of the measure ; when the latter, first said he would
accept two years instead of three; and then that he would he
satisfied that the measure should only continue for one year,
and to the end of the then next session : upon which Lord
Malmesbury withdrew his motion.for the omission of the clause.
'The Earl of LAUDERDALE then moved that the certifi-
cate which was required by the bill as to the corn being the pro-
duce of Canada should' be given by the grower and owner of
the grain, instead of the shipper. The clause was, as we un-
derstood, agreed to.
The other clauses were then agreed to without objection.—
The Rouse resumed, and the report was ordered to be received
to-morrow. •

The Earl of SHAFTESBITRY moved that an Address 1),!
presented to his Majesty, praying that he would order to be laid
before their Lordships an abstract of the population of Ireland,
according to the census of 1821.
The Sian Dieman's Land Judges Bill piked through a Com-
mittee, and was ordered to be reported to-morrow.
The House then adjourned at HALE-FAST SEVEN
O'CLOCK.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
CHARTER SCHOOLS iN IRELAND.

• Sir JOHN NEWPORT gave notice, that on Thursday
next he would call the attention of the House to the cruelties
practised in the charter schools in Ireland, and at the same
time he would move an Address to the Crown, praying that
directions may be given for the prosecution of the authors and
abettors of those atrocious cruelties.
EXPLANATION.
Mr. LITTLETON wished, in justice to himself, to correct
a misunderstanding which had gone abroad with respect to
what had fallen from him on a former evening on the subject
of the proceedings of the Oil (ins Committee. On that occa-
sion be joined some lion. Members in reprobating the conduct
of Members on some private Committees. Ile afterwards found
that in two newspapers it was represented as if he had alluded
to the conduct of particular persons. lie begged now to say,
that his observations were not meant to apply personally to any
individuals. They were made generallyaand applied to what
he believed to be a general practice.
Sir J. COFFIN said, that he had been described as sitting on
the Committee, and being one of the trustees. The facts were
not so. He did not attend the Committee at all this Session.
ST. OLAVE'S (lIART-STREET).TITHE BILL.
Mr. CALCRAFT rose to move the second reading of the St.
Olave's Tithe Bill, and in doing so, wished to make a few ob-
servations on a subject which he considered of material impOrt-
ance. He had been induced to take up the present Bill prin-
cipally on account et the exertions previously made with respect
to the parish of St. Andrew's, Holborn. In consequence of the
operation of that Bill, the tithes of that perish had been satis-
factorily settled. The parish of St. Olave's consisted of 175
houses, and contained 1,012 inhabitants. Under the Common
Law, houses were not tithable excepting in a part of the city of
London. But it was contended that they were-liable under the
Decree of 1535, to the payment of 2s. tel. in the pound. He
pndosoitntoi,oawnl lhwoowa
was
,rn2e7fiefe•rr-efteddy
had advised the parishioners to allow the incumbent 1,8201. per
annum, notwithstanding the property had been, a few years
ago, worth but 2501., and the duty was performed by a curate
at a stipend of 100/. per annum. In addition to those condi-
tions,tnocincumbents,
mo fhi :et
sde
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the
year
thetprovisiono te
considera-
tion futureside r
abeennßishopd
too small by 150/. He confessed the want of the Bishop's con-
-sent was a great difficulty ; but he pledged himself, if the Bill
were permitted to be read a second time, that the difficulty
would be arranged, or .the Bill altogetheredropped. •His wish
was, to prevent members of the Established Church from being
alienated from its interests by such vexatious proceedings as
arose out of' the tithe of houses. He would merely observe, that
the Decree of 1535 had never been enrolled, and was therefore
imperative. l'he Hon. Member concluded by moving that the
Bill be now read a second time.
Dr. PHI LLI MORE considered this was an attempt to intro-
duce a measure for the spoliation of public property, under the
guise of II private Bill. By the 37th of Henry VIII• the tithe
of houses had been established ; and though the enrolment of
the Decree was disputed, that was a question for the decision of
a Court of Law, and not for the consideration of•the House. -He
thought if the House consented to paste the present Bill, they
might next pass a Bill to regulate the-property of any private
individual, whet had, at a former period, received malts from
the Crown. The lion. Member concluded by moving as an
attendment, that the Bill be rejected. -
Mr. H. SUMNER said, he understood that the incumbent
had net Consented to the introduCtion of the Bill.
• Mr. CALCRAFT, in explanation, stated, that theineutn-
bent had consented to the terms offered by the Parishioners.
Mr. DENMAN hoped the House would not do anything; to
sanction an impost of 2s. 9d. in the pound en the houses of Lon-
don He denied that the decree of 1535 bad received the sanc-
tion of enrolment; and the Act of the 37th of Henry VIII. had
not been inserted in the earlier edition of the Statutes. In the
4th and sth of tOlweed VI. Commissionere had, been appointed
to regulate tithes, and they had made..the draught of a decree,
which was only /let. carried into effect io coneequence of the
death of the young This would never have been done
if the decree or 153 i had been considered as the law of the land.
In the reign of Charles I. the subject of Otlie. was referred to
the King by the Clergy and citizens, which Woukl never have
been done if the question had been settled uod_er the decree al.
luded too In fact the enrolment of the decree had been tried
as an issue in the case between Hellani and. Adams, and not-
withetanding the finding of that Jury, he ;aid not .consider pee_
sons of the.present day as liable to ,be bound by the verdict. 'lt
per
was feet, . COMpetent to try the question again- The Fire
sheet Act was the next referred to, and. took after the comae_
gration of London On that occasion _J out of 147 parishes 1 MI the Fire Act • •
had been butottlan the grotto( . _ provided for
• specific emit fora cereampenotl, without any
the payment or a, .
reference Whatsoeveteto the .tithe 0, 9tl • • _ in thelip pound.
NISI I
m O
Mr. Serjeant ()i OW thou; teeaa•eo introduced
into this iliseusaion.many dengerous • deetr;nes' relative
vested rights of the Church,, and he Should, for thin reason,
vote for the amehdreetoa. • •
114 Ir. A. BA It I Ner, hopea that,Gen denten would for the future
'
exchange some of that anxiety which tip felt for . tabs
,property
of the Choreh kw a ,tle4re to i'op i>p)Pie
Lawyera looked bn such questions as toe ptesent merely as
questions of property, and seemed to forget that nothing was
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more likely to undermine the ('hutch than the frequent diseto-

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sions which were going on between .stie _clergymen and .peir
parishioners. The present cptitended,. WILK not au un.
clue interfu'ence with private prbparty, fur it the Bishop could
ket 150 F. more a year froui the, parisl, he filins-4 inter.
fere. 'lle trusted the Bill Would be iier4litted".to.go.through
second reading, as it might lead.to some arrangeinent
between the parties ; and he thougl;tt House should allvais
,
• give encoura;rn ;eent to such private aujostments.
51r. C. V 4 . WYNN said the question ivo:s not witether, in
die. present instance, there were a vested rightnenot... the reel
question. was, whether that House 'should hecome.ar6tart of
Justice to inquire into and decide on disputes.with respect to
property. If present Itiil passed;Mativ other parishes would
petition the House, each saying that its Sector received only so
much for a great many years, and thit therefore he: ought not
for the future, under any circurnstanees, to gei more. It v.iolrld
be a ms.nifest injustice to act on such a principle,- for it often
happened that an incumbent succeeded in overturning a modus
which had existed for a viry loug peiiod. The present
he .contended, was a direct attack-on private property, and, if
allowed to go on, would open the door of similar attacks on
property of every description.
DEAIMAN explained.
rile. COURTI..,NA contended. there was evidence.that the
Decree had been registered, and that, therefore, the vested right
watt clearly established; he did not know. 'on what grounds the
HOuse was ,called on to interfere en the' present occasion, and
prevent the questions being decided in a court Of Justice;
Mr. WM. SMITH thought the present not a. 'private
.one; if so, it was that description of private bill,. in which the
interest of the public were -ten times more 'cleet)li, concerned
than that of the iqdividuals who might seem more immediately
Connected with it. If the stability of the Church meant no-
thing more than' the permaneney of itsproperty„ then, indeed,
Gentlemen were, perhaps, right in opposing the bill ; but he
thought there were other and
.higher considerations which should
influence the votes of the /Ouse. The Hon. Member supported
the bill. _

Mr. Secretary PEEL.said he did not expect to obtain a more
Patient hearing than those Ron,. Members who preceded him.
—He thought the confuSion prevailed during the present
discussion was easily accounted for; it was.owing to A convic-
tion that that House was not the proper place for it; many
Members on entering must, he was sure, have fancied that by
some mistake they had strolled into the court of King's Bench.
--(A laugh.)—The present queStion ought to be .sent into a
Court of law, and there decided, From the Manner in which
it lately appeared, private
,business was conducted, he did not
wish to interfere in the slightest degree with any Bill which
might be considered_ private. The present one hi opposed
on public grounds ; if, as it has been asserted, there exist-
ed a legal doubt which this bill was intended to remove,
he conjured the House not to interfere. It' the House were
competent to decide on questions of private property, why
might they not inquire into the right of the Duke of Bedford
to the tolls of Covent-garden.market ? He protested against the
Bill aLso, inasmuch as the consent of the Bishop was not had.
He (Mr. Peelj trusted the House would then reject the Bill,
as he had reason to expect that next year there would he intro-
duced a Bill likely to satisfy all parties. e thought the
HHouse
should in the present instance act on the He
principle
Of not interfering with private property, unless the consent of
All parties be first had..
Mr. Alderman WOOD supported the Bill. The pa-
rishioners were not in a situation to go into a Court of Law.—
They were confined to going before thelord Chancellor, who
would notgrani an issue to be tried in an inferior Court..

Mr. Ald'e'rman BRIDGES supported the Bill, but thought
it would be desirable the matter should be referred first to a
Committee above stairs.

Mr. CA LCRA FT replied.
Sir JOHN NICHOLI, observed that' they would allow, it
appeared, the present Rector to get 1,8001. a year; Which was
a pretty good acknowledgment of the legality of WA elaftn, and
yet they proposed to give all sutteeeding Rectors only 1,2001.
a-year.
The House then divided—
For the Bill - - .- - Lii
Against it • - - - 3ti
Majority - . - - —19 The Bill was then read a socona time.
COMBINATION LAWS.

Mr. HUME presented petitions from thejourieymen To-
bacconists and Shipwrights of Dublin,_ praying th:-.t .he House
would not re-enact the Combination Laws. They also wished
to be -beard against some of the toasters and some of the
police, who had been examined before the Committee : and
they complained that fifty trades should'not be stigmatised for
the violence inflicted by a few individuals who only belonged to
four or five trades.
HINDU( WIDOWS: . •
• Mr. HUM B had a petition to- present which was of some
impottance. It related to the practice of the burning of. liindoo
widows in India—ti practice which he deprecated as a violation
of the principles of reason and humanity, and which lie was of
opinion was not consonant with the proper interpretation of the
llindoo laws • 'and this opinion he derived from the fart, that
not one in a hundred !Endo° widows adopted it, mei that it
was much less practised in those parts of India where the !lin.'
doo religion was most scrupulously preserved by the natives,
than in those presidencies where there was a greater laxity of
prejudice. The Hon. Member then read a few extracts from
the papers which had been laid on the table of the House, upon
the motion of his Hon. Triend (Mr. Powell Buxton), which he
insisted illustrated his position, from the state of the case in the
Presidencies of Calcutta and Bengal, by-showing the comps.
rative state of the public feeling in India respecting a prat...,
tice which was so revolting and, repugnant, that he thought
it the duty of the Government to put it down, and might
be abolished. without 'the least danger, or incurring the, least
risk in the India Empire. Be hoped his Bon. Friend would
not allow the Session' to elapse without bringing the subject
once more before Parliament. The petition was from the parish
of Crail, in Scoiland. • _ _ .

Mr. F. BUXTON stated at some length the reasons which
had prevented him from bringing this qietstion in-a more deft..
nice shape before the House. He had been restraint.; chiefly
by the political afftirs,of India, the Burmese war, and the to-
pies both of a civil and military character whiCh had been agi►
tated on that continent within the last two years. As the pecu-
liar interest and feelings to which these topieS had given rise
had chiefly passed away, he proposed in the first week of the
next sessien to bring the question directly before the House.
He remarked that from the returns already made in five years,
there had been in the province of Bengal alone 3,4'00 females
blunt on the funeral piles of their husbands. The real amount,
in all probability, went far beyond the official returns. Gentle-
men conversant with the affitirs of India had assured Mm that
the real ?mothers would be niece like 10,000 than 3,000, and
this, the House would observe. in the province of Bengal alone.
He really feared that the conduct of Government had uninten-
,tionally promoted this wickedness. To say the least, the
natives were not made acquainted with the' feelings' of . the
British legislatnre by any declared disapprobation of the prac.
tire. The police of the Indian Government were required to
dthe
birnir
in: wasbiiilttheyconstrued were directed not to interfere
to t t e
preventn tl'ieointo a • silent aequies.
a•
cence of these abominations. Now, what rendered • these
facts' the more melancholy • was, that the prectiee itself was
not absolutely required 'by the Hlneloo religion.. Alany of
their Pundits had • written expressly against it. mentt,• their
the 'British
greateSt-laW authority, merely said, that the widow must. be
peepared to practise austerittes,—to that
chaste,- retired, and
abstemieutily, or else she ought to ascend the 'fune'ral. pile. of
the mere•will'of•
• her husband. A native author had described the descent of
Albuquerque on the. territory' of Goa, 'end added,. ' that his
Countrymen said much good of him, hecan-4 hte'tolt aeiteop . to
judges had recorded their opinions
the burnings. Some of the most active add intelligent of the
local magistrates and that the
Government, and that the natives would be highly gratified
ti,ith the change.- Among others, lie mentioned with particular
practice might be put a stop to by
respect the conduct and opiniona of Mr. Loshington, .
brother
to liis Hon. and Learned Friend near -him, who-heei,
as
far as
his Tersotial power and ireftnence would reach, et;forced thb
absolute suppression of the practice-. -- He mentioned R„.ei.M
instances in which the sacrifices had been prevented by the de_
-terinined interference of the local althorities, which had giiren
great satisfaction to the native popu.ation. - •
Mr. TRANT said that, notwithstanding the reservationeof
the lion. Member for Werneuth, the question had been &wile
pletelyopened, and his design of moving the egoist for a come
mittee in the neat Session had been so directly avowed, that he
(:)Ir. Trant) having had considerable experience in this rnat,„
hem a long residence in Intlia,•ctiald not refrain from- oivize; '
seine expresaim to his 'sentiments on this occasion. h e eg: -
served that, as the south_wasnaore rematkable-the.n the nettli
of Hindi:wan, so Bengal, perhaps, exhibited a greater number
of these sacrifices than any other province of India. It was,
in fact, the chief seat of 'Endo() superstition. Why it was

so, be did not pretend to determine.- But upon one point his
mind was made up—that it would be higblyida.otterous and
.
improper for the :British Um:ant:teat. to')interferewith a vio-
lent hand inA4ny:- thing which concerned tbe relinions rites
of tliaiiiiidotAlF He had himself known anative of that'coun-
t4,.the most enlightened man of all the-Asiatics whom he had
met with. This persur saw enough of the sapetiotitYof En-
yopean education. to make him have. his children brOught
'Lip in these scioolv.. Tai za.• conversation which he had with
this person upon the atrocity of :these -It:Ting:4 that man,
clever as he was, and so well inclined to. Eumpeans and their
Manners, justified the practice .and said, " That i 4 a point of,
our religion, and your Government must not inter!` re with it.'
Upon which he made up his mind immediately that the British
GoVernmezt could not properly. put down the practice by the
strong arm of authority. if they were to do so it was plain'that
this individual wruld have quitted all 'his inclinations towards
the manners, religion, and education of the English, to defend
u.e rites of his own religion.
Mi. WYNN was afraid that the steps which had bean taken
Co put down the practice had tended to its increase. Doubtless
it was the duty of to do all in ;:s power, which
could be dole with safety, to do away with it,-of to lessen the
instances. Bot he was convinced that- the British Parliament
could do nothing in it with any propriety. No general mea-
sdre could be adopted which would not imply the moat aldrm-
ing danger. It was not a subject for Britishlegislation. They
could not make Lws for so Vast a continent as they might' ler
limited territory, inhabited by people of one religion and one
common sentiment. They were to conaider the varieties of N..,
ptilation and feelings, and other_ circumstances which must be-
long.to -a country,tneasuring 2,009 miles from north to south,
and the same from east to west. The task of Suppressing 'the
practice lAust be left to the discretion and firmness of the local
authorities, and the directions which they would receive on that
head finm the Board of Directors.

Sir C.FORBV,S said that it -WS3 continually to be lamented
thit.the 'British Government had not,.. at an early stage of 7 the
conrcinest, peremptorily abolished the practice. When Lord
Wellesley was in India, 20 years ago, he might, with one stroke
of his pen, had not.been restrained, have put. an end to it_
He highly.applauded the government of that great man in India
which was nearly as perfect in mildness, wisdom, and firmness,
as.eould be expected from the known and general defects of our
common, nature. But resat Nobleman had shown his power by
the Peremptory suppres,..ion of infanticide, which was as stoutly
defended on the score of superstition as this horrid practice of
Intining widows. The case had materially altered since then.
The natives would have received with gladness so salutary -a
proof of, the firmness of the British Government. Since -then
their religious jealousies had been zwakened. A formidable
church establishment had been founded amongst theni. Shoals
of Missionaries.had been allowed •to go in among them, and
their feelings had taken a posture of hostility which before they
would not basic experienced. Still he was of opinion that 'the
British GOvernrnent would do well to compel the. Direct Ors,
and through them the local authorities, to interfere. .Ir was
absurd to suppose that the love of' life was lrss in the bosom of
a flindoo.woman than in any other person. The sacrifices were
not voluntary. In every case they were the effect of persuasions
'froth the Brahmins and. the relatives of the women. The mi-
serable victims would be happy to take refuge from these cruel
suggestions under a law of the British Legislature, milking it
murder for any one to aid or abet these sacrifices. Until some-
thing of this kind Were done. it would, be in vain to expect from
the local authoi•ities any efficient means for suppressing the
abominable rites. - •

Sir CIY.DE FiAST was convinced not only of the impolicv
and harshness of this Legislature interfering, but also that the
sacrifices themselves were considerably increased by the te-
peated discusaions which were agitated in Parliament upon the
subject,L4Cries of " No, no.")—He attributed many of them
to the growing jealousy which the natives entertained of the in-
terference of Government, and of the shoals of missionaries who
had mingled with them. If these men merely preached the
gospel, he would have no objection to their residence there :
they might persuade the unfortunate widows, in the language
of the apostle of our church, that it was better- to marry than
burn, and then they would be induced to addopt a course of
conduct more agreeable to themselves.
Mr. W. SMITH said, that so far front being convinced by
those Gentlemen who arreeted experiente in Indian affair:, that
Parliament ought not to interfere, be felt convincra, that no-
thing effectual would be done in quashing this•abominable and
bloody idolatry by the local authorities until they were de-
nounced by Iw..
Mr. HUM E, on moving for the printing of the-petition, said
that the hope of effecting the extirpation of these .cruel rites
by the mere disposition of the Court oT Directors, and .their
instructions to the local Authorities, might be judged of .from
this fact.that front 1787 down to the end of 142(), there was not
One letter—not one line-not even a word of aisapprobation,ex,
pressed by the Directors to' those authorities.' The first move-
ment of tie kind took place iu consequence of the. motion-of his
lion. Friend the ISlember for Weymouth. He Was convinced
that the business must he effected by a:Conlrnia„ of that
_House. No half measures would do here. All that the. Go.
vernment and the Court of Directors had hitherto done, had
only had the effeet oflegalizin.gthe murders in the eyes of the
natives. They ought first to Inquire into tt Committee as to the
safest and most efficacious means of suppresslog them : and
then to 'adopt a law for the peremptory enforcement of tilos:.
means.

Sir I. COFFIN said that the readiest way to lose India would
be to interfore.with the superstitions of tho people.
D Sit ri v E EAST applauded the local aothoritie,, for their
successful efibrts'in reducing the number of sacrifices.
Mr. F. BUXTON - was obliged to the Hon. Member who..
spoke last for doing sway in his second speech with the ctiaro -
which he had made against. him in his 'first, ;lie- had, Ora
charged liiM with increasing the numimer of Siittcit by raising
discussions in the Mouse,: in the second speech, far froth..
their haying incytT4ed at all, their numbers were said to have,,
declined' considerably. ,
Mr. TRANT said a few wards. • .

• Mr. MONEY said, that it. was in the power of the Go.
verament to suppress the practice without offending the na-.
five population. He referred the House to several, instances
in the reports, wherein 1061 Magistrates, faithfully intent-
upon the discharge of their duty, nitre .prrsuasion
prevented the' hurrsingS: 'Whatever might be said, the Hin.- t.
dpo was attached •by -the..love.-of existence like .70ther crea-
tures. In one province it had been prohibited. and the natives
rested atisfietl; nor were they known in a single instance to
have sangllt an opportunity .of eluding that regula;ion,-•though,
they had 'only' to cross a river and enter the. 7dakatia erritory,-
where they would'be'entirely free from it, and atiailliberty to
effect the cruel sacrifices..
_ .

The -petition was then macro:l'th be` printed.
E PRISONERS. - , •
Mr. RUNE gave notice that to-Morrow he would move for
certain papers regarding State Prisoners.
The sarne Hon. Atrmritß gaVe notice,
.that on Wt.dnesdav
he would move for 'papers relating to promotions in Chelsea
Hospital

IRISH CHURCH RATES. . • .
The House went into a Committee on t'fe. Irish (Antral Rates
➢ilTon the motion of Sir J. NEWPORT.

A conversation occurred across the table on .the wording of
some of the clauseS,beiween
.Mr. Goulbourn, Sir J. .
Mr. Ifiglitt,'Dr. Lushington, and Mr. S. Rice.—At was ordered
that.the Report be received en Monday. • • •
The Report on the Pirates' /lead-Alone), Bill was brought
kip by Mr. Brogdeti, on the motion of Sir George Cockburn.—
The Arnendments were agreed to.. - • .
MAURITIUS TRADE BILL.,
On the motion of Mr. fitrutisoli, the /louse resolved
itself into a committee on this Bill.'
-Mr. BERNAL wished to know whethei it would be sllovipd.,
to import all kinds of 'colonial pi.oduce, iiichuling suga,i, iniu .
the MaurititiS, or not ? • • -• :
HOS/U.BBON, referring to his observations of a former
night, begged to repeat that the main Object of the Bill was to
place theauritius trade upon the same footing, and under the
cattle reghlations, both with regard to its colonial .trade and its
trade kith this country, as any of our Weist /mho island. With
regard to the importation Into the Mauritius of foreign sugars,
that remained in the same state as it was left by the /1111 which
had been already successfully introduced into that House, and
by which such foreign sugars could not be admitted into the
Mauritius,• • . • • ' ' • :
Mr. BERI%IAL begged it might be supposed for a moment
that the Bill to Which the Bight Hoh. Gentleman had just
alluded should haPpeti to be thrown'St Of the other ouse of
Parliament, and not pass; in what situation would this qwest ion
theii be left ? The pretient Bill was on this subject notwordoil.
in the same term* as -the 'other; whlth other,' however; was
cited in explanation of the objects of this. But what possible
objection could there be, seeing how important it was that
there should be no doubt in the matter, to insert a few words

-in the first part of tee Bill, now before the Committee, limit-
ing-the effect of the permitted importation into this country from
the Mauritius to its own colonial produce only ? Why not some
eslich form of words be introduced in the early pelt of,the Bill?
Mr. HUSKISSON felt, if the:Hen; Gentleman- world give,
hiip leave to say so, that this was a mere technieal Objection.-
. (Hear !)-He was -sure the Hon. Gentleman would recollect
what were the grounds upon which, on a. former occasion i he
Mr. Iluskisson) consented to introduce this_ ties a separate Inca-
sure, from- his general sill .which :then brought -in. e
had intended at first to inclUdeethis'in that general -
adeen the Hon. Gentleman himself, and others who were 'prie.
cipally interested in the West India trade, earnestly requested
that
.the present measure might be introduced as a seperate
a 74, specitic measure, .in order for its more- full •and effee-
tualediecussinn.-(Hear, hear !)--Now,- the Hon; Gentlemen, .
Must-lie very well aware that even in its present formodt must _
lieu shortly merge in the general provisionsof .that other Bill
„which hespoke of.
ROBERT.-GOIJDO:er, thought that nothing could be
inOire unwise Or inexpedient than for the House to proceed to
-_'pa a. Bill which ;lei-low appeared was not intelligible without
eerefeeence to another Bill.that was not yet passed through an-
s., eilee-a.:ki'euse---( Hear !) • .. • -
AIee.BRIGHT was bound etn.sn'Pneee, if the. Right Hon:
Gentleman evotild.not put in • the few word*at had' been' etig-
geeted Feiehd ( Mr. Bernal); t he was at least
prepared Witßistfier words to answer the same purpose. But if,
eletteHight Irene. lientleman was not • so prepared,- let him
aeleeei afford the l'House some clear and specific grounds for
s:dee:ining to insert those which had been just suggested. As
foe-waiting tU determioe Matters of this kind-in one bill, by the .
. teraire ancLindeed by the.fate of another bill, (for it was yet-ime
Cleteineinecle, he should -have 'thought that the House had had
--ileesomenouglealeeady- to regret' the time and labour-Which it
• cost teem. to remedy -bills that had been.passed in a similar in-
- "ralAelieernanner, 'without -desiring. to-add this to the Est.__
• --• •.
:a-;tr. ele tesKlsSei Ne was almost inclined -to say that the Iron.
ekentle:nanewho had just spleen, appeared -*elle inclined
.to nusstate what-had Sitleti from littekiseen.)
reeenietp• the;elon. ti en denier. iinputeil to him a design to-Mislead.
----fiteeAloustennethie or. any, othet question; the IfouSeche -trusted,
• -lieeeiltl'AQ -him the justice -to believe that he was quite, asinciipa-
e hie ate else--Hon. Gentleman himself, or-any other Hen-. Al ember, .vt •
doing any such thing-(Mer I) --:To'him, he confessed, the
Jaeguage of this bill Was perfectly explicit and` intelligible. Its
. sireple object was to admit the 'Aleutians- sugars here, subject
-te the satise duties that 'were- payable on'the -sante qualities of
• eagare innaerted into Great Britain from our West India islands.
to ehe importation- of foreign-.sugarsinto the Mauritius, and.
ttgoogit the- Mauritius into our ports et home; which Hon. Gene
- e!_lemea opposite had rather eneleayOuredeomix up with this sim-
.pee question, that was,Ouite another and a• very different topic..
:e• ear !)-'the principle; however, .was still the for if
wereallowed to be imported_ into Jamaica, thete could
„ i eoreason, upon-.the principle of the. present Billewhy they
s'.!;mldriot he allowed to be imported into the Mauritius also
or why, if they were -to be. excluded fronothe Mauritius, they
•. ...should not. be
.-equelly excluded from the West Indies. The
-:,fact.chairever, was, that asifer as regarded his own view of the
, --•queetioneaed aki fax as depended upon him, no foreign spears
sheath', be.imported either, into the Mauritius or any. of the West
India islands.--f Hear !)---That reservation it would undoubt-
edly be proper to make from the freedom oferade which it was
- proposed- to extend. to our Colonies.:-
- • , observed, that whathe wish--
the Right-Hon. Gentleman to consider was, what would be
.-- the condition • of own proposition in the event of the former
• Bill being thrown out? ,
Mr.IIISSKISSON, considering, • as -lie did, that the-Hon.
Gentleman's wes an inconsistent and-groundless objection` to the_
Bill, could not undertake to defend it more particularly than •
• Ate had done already t. and therefore he would beg leave to music
that the Haase should report progress.
Mr. WILMOT HORTON said, the language of this Bill
. rosily struck him as being very clear; - It was to this effect-
.' " that all articles being the produce of the island of Maui
tilts, or the gtowth thereof-and all .colonial produce, goods,
and commodities that shall have been imported into the .island
• of • Mitutieiuse-(ltear,ehear !)-shall be -put upon the same-
• footing as-all such colonial produce and foreign Commodities
imported-into Jamaica under the. existing law."-(" Hear,
hear !" from Alr. Bernal and Mr. Bright.)-And that existing
:.laW prohibited the importation of foreign sugars.--("- Hear,
,hear!" from Mr. Ellice.)-Why, then, it did - appear to
him, thatthe plain .intention of this Bill was to declare, that
•- the trade of the Mauritias should be put on the same footing
-with that of Jathaica or any ether of the West India Islands.
fientleman'ieohjection, however, was, that prohibit-
.-- ecfforeien goods,- . such as sugars, might, •under the present
- terms of this Bill, tie imported into the Mauritius, and through
the. Mauritius into the United' Kinedom, to the 'great detriment
and peejudice of, .the West India produce. But he (Mr. W.
Horton), must contend, that if that were the fact, then the same
• e-ob.ervation must apply equally to ,lamaita.--:(Hear hear!)-
. ".I.'a his own mind, however, tiro real purport of the Bill was
sufficiently clear; but if the- Hen. Gentleman would propose
_.--any form of 'wordsohat to his apprehension might make. that
purport more clear and decided, they could very well be insert-
ed in, die if approved of by the Committee.: The Hen..
Gentleman would see that it was not for those who.were satis-
fied with the-terms of the-measure, as they stood, to. propese
• eothers in lieu of them.
• Mr..II2RNAL was sorry that the Right Hon. the President
- of the-Board of Trade had taken tip his remarks in the light lie
_..sered to have done. He utterly disclaimed any thing like
•rnete technical objections-. The. objections which he had taken
• to-night, he certainly had Understood thateßight-Hon. Gentle-
man on a former night to have admitted. Ile still contended
• that the security lie wished to haVe introduced did not exist in-
. this 11:11.; and thet, on the contrary, if the former measure
e.shoulel.be last, the framing of this would be found to be eaces-
szvely defective. There was in its present condition this real
. . defect-that sugars might be Imported from China, or
fromelndia, into the -.Mauritius, anti from • thence into the
United-Kingdom.
, Mr. WILMOT HORTON' thought he could. suggest the
introduction of a word or two that would - meet the objeetions of
-,the Hon. Gentleman. .In-the first part -of the Bill, two points
were stated with respeet to the importation to he allowed: first,
all emils, produce, &c., beihg the growth of the Mauritius;
and eecondly, allrgeods, colonial producee'ke., that shall have
.been imported -into the Mauritius. 'And the defect complained
I
of seemed to he inthis-that in the-second, or latter part of the.
„Bin, these two points were not specifically recapitulated, but
only one of then]. --If they- were -both recapitulated, the-Bill
-would perhaps meet the objection.. . :
Mr. HUSKISSON, being anxious to avoid all importations
-of strgire *Om Cenada for example, and other Places, intended
• to propose a clause, prohibiting altogether the importation of
any foreign sogars through our-colonies. This of course Would
--apply-equally to the ilauritiu's and to the West India islands.
-If, indeed, the other Bill so often alluded to in tles discussion,
-sheuld.not pass, he should yet feel bound to oppose the impor-
tatioe of such sugars into the West Indies ; or all events, what-
ever might be determined oe with regard to the •West
lie weultlOppiese their importation into the Mauritius.
Mr. R.. GORDON thought that, in common fairness and
carnlotire tbaoperatien of this specific measure ought to be .re-
sereined, until the West•lndies had had time to reap some ad-
vantage from the effect of the former Billee-say for a year . and
a-half.'
MrefELLICII Could not • concur with his Hon. Friends
near him• in. their opposition to this Bill; and heentreated them
. tint to threveneedlees inipeaments in the way of that liberal and '
enlightened coldniel policy. which Isis Majesty'i Government
- were,now putqihig so honourably to -themselves and so 'betie-
- lidialy for this country.
Mr. 7...W1L50N - could not concur in the opinion of -his
Ilene Frieod: who had,spielten -last. The West India Wands
had -a claim tip On. iliTlSupport-of this Country, and •tie: were
bound toomeet that claim. - It should be observed that the
cases of the. Mauritius nitdelieWest India islands stood on very
different grounds. The sugars from the Mauritius were not
relit -b-platters, but byinerchants and supercargoes who
bought them there as return cargoes for ships sent thither with
goodie-fin- -the- island trade. - 1i hen the sugars were bought
there; they'Werebenght, -therefore, and Came to England, under.
the idea that they would not be allowed to be Imported for
}lenge econsumption. •-11.6 could not see why the Mauritius
- merchants should- be put on a footing with the 'West -India
,• planters. Sir -
ROBERT FARQUHAR knew very well that of late
the.plantere of Mauritius had sent house their own sugars for
sale in this cauntry.--e(Hear must also observe, that the
Aleuritius had a very powerful claim on this country, in conse-
meence of the expectations that were held out to it during the
hoit year,'Wheit the Mauritius Sugar Bill was read twice, and
subsequently thrown out, news of its, progress having in the
mean time reached the Maurithis via the Isle of France. Those
eepectatioree had' been of course lamentably disappointed. .
Mr. HUSKISSON, after what his Hon. Friend had just
-stated; considering the great distresses to which this island had
..been en-frequently reduced by natural causes, such as violent
-'storms and hureicanes, could not accede to the proposition of
the Hon. 'Gentleman opposite. The
~'Mauritius planters had
unquestionably met with very severe disappointments, and it
was very reasonable on this occasion to extend a boon of this
kind to year he was met with this objection-th-at-
•somereetrictiorts- existed in the trade of the West 'lndia Is-
lands- that did- not apply •to that of the 'Meurititis. At the
same time he did not attach any great weight to the objection,
and now lie was, confirmed in the resolution, not of euper-
addinie restrictiorii-on- either, but of removing - them as much
pussitele. from.both.-( II ear !) •
Mr. -PLUM At ERdeniedelrateany pledge whatev& had been
given by this 'Government In faineur- of the Mauritius. He

conceived it would.he a very great act of in:aistice to admit the
Mauritius to the advantage which was now claimed, as that
settlement had, for a considerable number of years enjoyed
a the benefit of free trade. It .was fallacious to suppose that
the introduction of the sugar of the Mauritius would not be
prejudicial to the 'West Indies, when it - was admitted that
there was a large surplus produce of those islands on hand. •
• Mr. EZi.IGHT inquired whether it was the intention of the
lion.. Gentleman toprevent the introduction of foreign sugars
into the Mauritius?
Mr. -WeIIORTON---" Certainly." • '
The House then resumed, and the. report was' ordered, to be
received to-morrow. . .
COLONIAL INTERCOURSE BILL
On the motion for the third reading of the above Bill,
-Mr-BA RING rose and inquired whether it was the intention'.
of the Right Hone Gentleman (Mr. Huskisson), as much
anxiety was manifested on this subject, to make any specific
statement to the House, as to the alterations which-he meant to
peopose with respect to the whole of the colonial trade, taken as
a general system ?
31-rhHUSKISSON -said, it-was. his wish to put the colonial
trade with this country on the 'same footing as the trade -be-
aween Great Britaio and Ireland. He had no difficulty in stating
to. hie Hon. Friend, that he would on Friday next, if the House
ivbuld allowshim, state the alterations which he had found it
-necessary to propose with respect to our colonial trade, in don-
seqeoce of theapplichthinsthat had been made by different
parties, WhoseintergetS Werd affected by the great change that
had taken place with -respect to foreign commerce. •
HUMEwished to know what the bill was which they
were now-called
.upon to read a third time. The -Motion was
for the third:reeding of • the Colonial .Intercourse Bilt So far
as .he knew, -there hwas no shell bill, co iionthie, before the
flohse.
Mi. HUSKISS-Qhf said, -the bill nOw before the House was
the Colonial Intereourse
-Mr, -RUM know of no.such bill,. -
Mr. HUSK ISSON.—The title of the bill et Bill for
further reghlating the
.trade of his Majesty's Possessions in
America and the West Indies, and for the warehousing of .'oods
therein." • -
.
Mr. HUME asked,. -whether, the proismions coptained in this
bill 'were consistent with the principles which the Right Hon..-
Gentleman had formerly laid down on 'the subject of free.
and on the propriety of supplying the
.Colonies with What they
might require-in the most economical manner? this.bill he:
saw that a duty Was laid-on 'the importation of flour,. of fish,
anti of bread; in. short, on almost every article which- these
colonies stood *need of. If Alioistere wished to throw open
the sugar trade of the Mauritius, to take off the. restrictions
which were placed eh the :importatiOn of that. article, he could
see no reason why, on t4' same principle of liberality, they
should not remove the heavy ditties Which'were now payable in
the West Indies on the importation of ogoe'e, necessaries.
Mr. LIUSKISSON said it appeared to-blip that the provie
sions of this Bill
_were not only inconsistent, bitteeventein perfect
consistence with the-views which hehad laid dOWn. and .recom-
mehded to the House. There was not a single article wbieh,
under this Bill, .might be imported into the West Indies„or
paying a certain duty, that was. not obliged to pay a duty on
entering the united kingdom. If, thereforeehe placed the Co-
lonies on a footing with the united kingdom, 'he could „see no
fair. gronnel for complaint. contended at he had redeem,
ed his pledge, when, with respect to ail matters of commerce,
he placed the Colonies in as favourable a situation as that in
which Great Britain stood in her intercourse with Ireland. lie
was. eurprised to have heard it said, on a former occasion, that
the enactments now resorted to would only allow the Colonies
to import fiddles hail fiddle.strings. The fact weseentireli the
other Ivey, The Monies could import and-enjoy every thing,
just-the same as the mother country, except that the duties paid
by the-former were more moderate.
The Bill was then the third time and passed.
THE, DUKE OFCUMBERLANDIS ANNUITY BILL.
TheCH[ANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQUER moved the
Order of the Day. for the House resuming itself into a Com:
mittee of the whole House on the above Bill. -
On the motion" that the Sesseeotha,tio leave
Mr. lIitOUGHA3I rose and observed,-that after what.had
been expressed on this subject—after the. opportunities which
had been given to every Gentleman who wished to ,state his
opinions:in this measure of declaring his. sentiments, .and the
reasons on which those sentiments wee a founded, the -less, he
thought, that was said on this occasion, and -the sooner, tive
better. Ile' would not, in proposing the amendment with-which
he meant to conclude, trouble the House with Many words.
The ground on which that amendment rested was so simple, so '
obvious, so.evident, that it only required to be stated in the
shorteet possible way.- Tlmey were not now called on to consider
this subject, to object to this grant, or to agree to it, on account
of the adequacy or inadequacy of what was formerly votedee-
(Hear, hear !)--The question stood vpon its own sub-
stantive merits ; diode who thought the former grant too
little, were met precluded from increasing it now in
consequence Of the- :rote given on a _previous occasion.. But the
mode at -present _taken to effect that objeetwas one of which
Ire. never -could. approve. • The liberal, .frank, candid, and
hcinesteViy of.proceeding-was, to move distinctly for an altera-
tion of theformerevote,—(Hear !)—No attempt bad hitherto
been .madelo alter that vote of the House: If any Gentlemap,
thought it aim improper vote, why not move that it should be
rescinded ?—(Hear.!.)—lf any Member were of that opinion,
-let him, in God's name,
,stand up and say so.--e(Ilear!) lie
.did.. net. belieye there -was a Gentleman in the House who en-
tertained any such opinion,—( Hear !) —The way which he.had
pointed out was the fair, manly, and honest course for those to
adopt, if such there were, who felt anxious:th haVe the former
vote reecinded.—(llehr, hear !)—But hewrsuld say, let no man
vote for the Duke of. Cumberland, by a si le-wind; in opposi-
tion to his former vote.-h(Heaxl)—Let him, if he could, get
rid of that vote, in a plain, fair, honest, and straightforward
way; but let hiin not, bye voting _a grant for the child of the
Duke of Cumberland, negative his former vote, by making an
additional -provision for the Dukeof Cumberland himself.—
(Hear !)—lle felt that he should be wanting in the ditty which
he owed„ to that House, to himself, and .to -his country, if he
'did not, on this occasion, and on all future occasions, express
these setimente. He should, therefore, move, ". That all-the
words of the original motion, after.the word that' be omitted,
for, the purpose of inserting the following words—' this House
will, on this day six months, resolve itself into the -said Come
mittee."' - (Hear !)
Mr. COKE thought it was most preposterous to come down
to the House and demand an annuity cf 60001. for tire Duke of
Cumberland's child, when it was quite evident that the grant
was intended-for the Duke himself.—(Heer,hear !)--He looked
upon this poposition, especially .when he considered by whom
it was chiefly supported, as a direct- insult on the House.—
( Hear, hear !)—As a representative of the county of Norfolk,
he felt it right to raise his voice against this grant, whichhe
was convinced was highly displeasing to the public at-large.—
The Duke of Cumberlaed had, he conceived, an abundant pro-
vision without this additional 6009/. a year. This was his most.
decided' opinion ; and he thought the House would- actemoet
unwisely if they-agreed to the vote. If they did, he certainly
must consider the present as the most corrupt House of Com-
mons that ever sat, and one which ought to be reformed as
soon a.. 4 !) .
Mr. DAVENPORT considered that it would be totally in-
consistent with the vote which had been given she years ago to
support the proposition now beforethe House. The child, who I
had been so much spoken of in the course of these discussions,
did not • wear, a cloak long enough to hide the real object.he
(Hear !)—He could not, _however, -avoid complimenting those
wikehad brought this question forward, on-their skill in military
tacties;When he saw • them placing titer infantry in the front of
the battle:—(Laughter.) . • • •
Mr. 'II. said, his view of this question perfectly,
coincided with that of the Learned Gentleman who had moved
emendment..- --If thise vote were agreedstp, the could. look
upon such a proceeding in no other light than as a retraction of
the-vote which was given spine years since in the case' of the
Duke of Cumberland. Wit-respect to. the vote to the Duchess
of-Kent, he entirely-approved of it. The Fortner provision was
'extremely inadequate. There was a-dignity, ofEmbility, an
amenity-in her manners; which acquired the respect and esteem
of every person. To . that grant he
.gave . his most hearty
concurrence. The present vote he ihould certainly Oppose.
doing so, hemust say, that. he felt .a -great degree ofcacy, because he was actoated by motives' which he was under
the necessity- of witholding7 from the House---motives, the
grounds of which , he could - nor, with propriety, develope to
I those whom he •now addressed. The Duke of Cumberland,, if
he' chose to settle abroad, had a revenue of 18,0001. a year,
which was fully equal to 30,000/. hi the-country where he re-
sided. .If the. Royal Duke had any reason to prevent him from
. returning, a grant might be made for -the education of his son
in this country. But in that case he certainly. would not-agree
to the amount now proposed. 2,0001. or 3,0001. wyear would
properly lodged and edue
. be sufficient to have time- younpeprincee
cated ; for he could not agree with the Hone Member for Aber-
deen, that 100/.'a-year- would be sufficient.—(A laugh)----But
to give 0,0001. a-year,evidently -by a'sideewind, to the Mike of
Cumberlaestl, he certainly- never-would-Consent to. •
Mr. J. BENETT congratulated the House and the coun-
try on the bust of indignation which this graht had excited from
the other side of :time House. When he saw -gentlemen of diffe-
rent political 'sentiments uniting on a question of this nature, it
excited' some doubt in his mind (so we understood the Hon.
. Member) as- to the necessity for Parliamentary Reform.. •
-Sir .G. IVARRENDER said, that:-nothing but a sense of
duty could have impelled- him to stand forward on this occa-
sion.- Whenhhe grant to-the Duke of Cumberland was befOre
- the House • some years ago, he thought illustrious individual
was very, hardly. dealt with,. Much obloquy appeared to. be
levelled at this Royal. Duke; but he would not heworthY of a
seat in that- House; if he did not say, 'oh his honour and nen-

steience, that Many-of those repreSentations and accusations
which had been industriously circulated through the most
remote. parts of the. country with reference to • this Royal
personage, were totally destitute of any foundation whatever.
The Duke of -Cumberland and his Duchess enjoyed a degree of
domestic comfort and hapnitea laugh)—which few indi-
viduals could boast of.— (Hear, hear !)—ln depriving the Duke
of Cumberland of this grant; -they drew a most unpleasant dis-
tinction between hire and the other Royal Dukes. He would
contend that a grant of this kind ought not to proceed on'the
individual merits of the. party. They should recollect 'the.
lofty situation to which he was born—they should consider
the necessity of providing foe .him and ids family in a man-
ner. befitting that situation ;' and, considering these circum-
stances, he was prepared to say, that it was the duty of the
House -m. accede to Oda' proposition. The income which
the Duke of- Cumberland received was quite inadequate
to the expences of his establishment. Numerous appli-
cetions were daily "made to hint, and large sums were 'an-
naally expended in charity. He would ask, was it or was
it not, desirable., that a young Prince, who was likely to.
conic to the Throne.' of- England, should be properly edit-
, cated ? Would the House, trout any feeling.of irritation,
prevent hint .from - being educated here under the eye of his
• lather? He was. Sore it was not in accordance with the
'generous feelings of the House of Commons to . separate a
father front his child. NlTOuld they teach the young Prince,
as his first lesson, that it was his duty to remain separated
. from his parents? lie thought they would not. lie thought
they would make the neeessary provision the the education of
the child Under the eye of the -father. In Stating this, he- had
'only discharged the duty which he owed to the country, to the
'House, 'and to fha Royal Fainily. .
Sir .T. SE BRIG HT said he Would put the question on its.
true ground. It was neither more nor less than to give to his
' Royal llighi.mes. the Duke of ,Cumberland a certain sum. of-
money.—(hear, hear!),-And instead of introducing the sub-
ject in • the way which had been adopted, it -would have been
much more creditable -to .the Right- lion. Gentleman if be'
brought it forward On its plain and obvious ground. -He had:
been informed that the Duchess ofCumberlandreceived 3,000/.
a year from the King of Prussia. This, together -with the.
income Which Wasalerivedfrem this country, appeared to him
`to be 'amply sufficient for the establishment of the Royal
Duke. It was very painful to say any thing that might appear.
disrespectful towards theelioyal Duke.; hut it-was a well known
fact, that a neen -.could not' go into society of any-kind or de-
scription in this country; without hearing-remarks on the con-
'duct of that Royels persoiniee. did not think that the-con-
'duct of any Prince of-the blood could be adduced as a sufficient
pica for -refusing a nr-oper maintenance; but when Ministers'
came forward and demanded a great deal more than appeared
to be strictly.necessarye. then he -confessed that the condtiet of
the •indiiithial would weigh., geeatly -with him in granting or
refusingit.. Ile was astonished at the majorities, small' as they.
were; by which this question had hitherto been carried.—(llear !)
—HoWever attached Gentlemen might be-to the Royal ..Family,
that attachment • could not excuse .an absolute waste of the
Pablie money. It w:tts a waste, not only bad in itself, but it
became worse under -the .pecullar circumstances of the case,_-
(11ear!)—TheeRoleal Duke
.appeared befOre them like a man'
applying for relief to a bUtly of . courtry Magistrates—like an
individual -who requested the 'parish; in finyn4 :pooppls,: to
enable hint to maintain hiS own child. e (Hear! ) • •
-The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE'R said, he would
briefly state the reasons which induced .him to support this mea-
sure. it was not on the ground that the Duke ol' Cumberland
was 'inadequately provided for on a former occasion that he had
deemed it necessary to introduce this Bill, and he was perfectly
prepared to defend the measure. on tlie• ground on. which he
really had brought it into Parliament. If the circumstances of
the case were. at preSent the same as those which existed when
-the former vote was }imposed, then any proposition to grant the
. Royal. Duke that which had been refused on-two previous oc-
Casions,'might have justified the harsh. language and severe re.
Preach which had been indulged-,in by the lion. Member-.for
Norfolk (Mi. Coke); and which was reiterated by the Honour-
able illember foil-leettOrdshire (Sir J. Sebright.) But• were
not the grounds at- the present moment perfectly dissimilar ?
He • contended, aud lie belieyed. every unbiassed- man would
agree with hint, that the case was entirely altered. Parliament
had given to the Royal Brothers of the Duke of Cumberland, a
certain annual income oh:account _qf their marriage, and in
.the
,expectatiOn that theyewould have families. A like allowance
Was refused to -the-Duke of Cumberland. Sin cc that period, it
was said, the Duce of Cambridge has had two children, and
yei he had -not .aekett. for any increase „of income. And
Why was that ?. 'Because the 114,00/. per annum Which -Were
granted to hint was considered to be sufficient to maintain him
properly in his elevated situation. That large sum was granted
to hint, not merely because he had a wife, hut because there
was a probability,
.of his having children. The
.Duke. of .Cum-
berlend also merriel—he had a sod, and he naturally wished to
be placed in thee same situation as his Royal brothers were.-
-He entirely concurred in the principle that it would hot be a
proper mode of proceeding if Ministers came down to
went and asked tor a grant of this description, Merely on account
of individual elliteacter.-e-(llear, hear!)—lle thought, it was
proper, On ACOUnt. of their exalted rank, that those Royal per-
sonages should be-placed on, the same footing; and it slit} appear
to hint _that ie would. be an act of the most gross disrespect, if
the ideuse of_Conintons said, `e We .call on_ your Majesty
to treat two of your Royal brothers -:with. particular marks of
esteem, and mgast a. reflection on the third."—(Hear
contended that_the pretient
.proposition -was no outrage on
-the feelhigs of 'the eceuntryee-(Heer !)—He denied. that. any
-improper attempt was. made to lead. the House to retract utt
,former decision, when circumstances called for the measure cow
'under consideration.—( Hear ! )—Although the lion. Metieber-
for Hertferdeleire did not place his opposition .altogether on. the
.ground of the personal character of the Duke of Cumberland,
yet-his Hon.. Friend the Member for Surrey (Mr. -11. Snerinet)
Mei done So. .Now, amidst :all. the hints and insinuations
which had, fronetlate to time, been-thrown out on this subject,
he never had been able, for the soul of him, to discover on what
point it. was that Gentleman really ihunded their opposition.—
(Hear!)—lle could perceive no -circumstance which could
induce the House to refuse this grant, which might not alsa • be'
put fitment as ari argument rot depriving the Duke of Cumber.
land. of -that income'. which he at - present enjoyed ; or Which
might not be made'z ground for reducing the grants which had
been voted to the 'Dukes of Clarence and Cambridge. In his
view of the qucetiOn; the- House would be acting unreasonably,
nay, he would say ithjuetly, if they did not'agree to the propo-
sition.—(llearl-)
Sir J. SE BRIGHT said, his expression was, that where a
necessary provision was called for, he would net look to the per-
sonal conduct of -the individual, but that Where more was de-
manded he certainly would.
.Mr. 'l'. WILSON deekued he would vote-for the'grant, on
the ground of his entire cOnfidence in the Government. .Here
was a Prince horn, in whom they must all tate a deep interest,
and he conceived that every means should be afforded for his
proper education. --
The -House then divided, when the numbers were--.-
For the Amendment • - - 113
Againstit - 143

- • Majority - -30
On our re-admission to the'thillery, the-House being then in
a Committee on the 13i11, we found "
141 r. BROUG II ►lYl nn his legs.---He said that there was
upouthe face of the Bill an evident inconsistency; inasmuch
as it pretended to have oneobject, and was, in tact, calculated
to accomplish anoth-er. It•propoSed to- provide for the.educa-
don of the Prince of CuMberland, and • it secured an annuity
Of 6,000/. to the Duke of Cumberland for his life. The Hon.
Baronet Charles' -lorbes), Who had addressed the House
at a period when, of all others, it • was most convenient for
those -who favoured the _Duke of' Cumberland to express their
opinions--(the Hon. Baronet sPoke after the gallery had been
cleared, and before thediyision took place), had thought that
sufficient justice cot:id:not be done to his. Royal Highness.--
He was paid up all -the arrears of the annuity which tiAe
House•on aformer occasion .refused to grant him. Perhaps,
in his desire to perforen that, which he thought an act of
tardy justice, he would wish to make up for the cesser of so
many yeafs by increasing the annuity to - 12,0001. The
Duke, he had -no .doubt, would; without hesitation, accept
the Hon. Baronet's generous offer, and nothing, he dared say,
comd be more grateful to his feelings. But the'Ministeis were
not afiected.by the enthusiasm which had so far led away the
Hon. Baronet: They proposed that the annuity should only
be paid henceforth, and that it should be continued from this
time as long as his. Royal Highness's life should last. There
was a provision in the second clause, most inartificially tacked
on, Which limited the payment of the grant_to the Duke on con-
dition that the Prince should live in England during the period
of his education, •for which it was to•provide, unless the King
should give him licence to reside abroad. This was the notable
manner in' which the fret-hers of this Bill had introduced it to
the House. He, however, wished to put the bilSinesvpOn a
fair and intelligible ground, and of giving to the Committee an
opportunity' of doing properly and fairly that which it was pre-
tended this Bill was tonccomplish. It there was any man in
the House who thought that the income of the Duke of Cumber-
land did not permit him to educate his- son in a proper. manner,
and at his own expence, heliVlr. Brougham), whatever might
be his own notion on the subject, would meet that opinion. He
would say then, give tile Duke the means of educating his son,
but let it be upon Such terms as shall ensure to the people that
their money is laid-out for that purpose for which they have
granted it. - Give to. the. King, the, head of the Royal House,
and to whom every member of-the Royal Family:must he an
object of.the nearest interest, the poser of directing the appli-
cation 'of the'suni which is voted for this purpose. - Let that sum
be quite ample,. nay, more than enough, for the education of
this very young Prince. Let this little bOf of six years old have
3,oool;per annum devoted to the i.hymen't of his education, but

let the King have the care of seeing that this sum be wisely
and• properly laid cut. Thus the Committee would do what
they pretended, and which (though he thought it wrong) he
would not oppose. Thus they would enable the Prince to be '
educated,. and they would provide a proper authority—that of
ene-King—to superintend his education. The Ministers, who,
as they were responsible for the King's acts, might, he trust-
ed,. see to the application of the -money, and the House
Would receive a satisfactory security that the Duke of :Cron.
berland would not spend the money in-.any manlier .he might
chaise, and Over which they could have no contronl: .If - this
were .net a direct and liberal course of proceeding, he did not
know what could be called so. It had, besides, this recom-
mendation, that those who thought with him might agree to it,
while those who thought that the son of the Duke of Cumber-
. land ought to be educated at • the public evenee, would be
enabled to give':elfect to that opinion without violating-any con-
- stitutional principle. He would therefore move, as an amend-
ment in the bill now before the Committee, that the sum to
be granted for the education of the Prince of Cumberland, son
of his Rtiyarilighness the Duke of Cumberland, should be're-
duced from 6,001)1. to 3,0001. per annum, and that it should be
paid to the 'King instead of to his Royal Highness the Duke of
Cumberland.

Sir C. FORBES rose, having been so pointedly alluded to
by the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, for the purpose of
justifying the expressions Which had occasioned that allusion. He
had said, and he now repeated, that what he had to -address to
the House.pri this subject, he was more desirotis,of saying to the
house than .to the newspapers.—(A laugh.)—He appealed to
the House whether, if this mode were generally adopted, there
would .not be shorter speeches, and the business would
not be sooner, and more satisfactorily disposed of. If,
however, the lion. and Learned Gentleman meant to insinuate
that he (Sir C. Forbes) Sought an opportunity of saying, when
the doors were closed, that which he would not venture to say
in the face of the country (and if the Hon. Gentleman did not
'mean this, he could not tell what he meant), he (Sir C. Forbes)
would tell him that he was as much incapable of any such arti,
fire a+ the Hon. and Learned Gentleman himself. More than
thiM he felt it was not necessary for-him to say. The Hon. Bart.
proceeded to say, that he thought the arrears from the period of
the House refusing the grant, which would have made the al-
lowance of the Dake of Cumberland the same as. that of his
!loyal Brothers, ought to be paid up. He concluded by say--
ing, that this opinion was formed upon pul.dic grounds, and
I that he had no personal knowledge of, nor had ever been intro-
duced to. the Duke of Cumberland. _ _ - _

The -CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
when he had stated at the ,commencement of this subject that
it was bona fide the intention of the Government that the edu-
cation of the Prince.of ,Cumberland should be carried on in
England, and. that the money to .be granted should be applied
to.tbatpurpose, he had expressed also his willingness to
agree:to the introduction of a clause whick should secure the
accomplishment -of those intentions. Notwithstanding the ob-
servations of the /ion. and Learned Gentleman upon. the man.:
ner in which this clause had been framed,•it was intended,'and,
as ho believed, well calculated to effect that purpose.. As he-
had no intention, whatever the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
might think,, to grant; by means of a side wind, an .annuity
• to, the 'Duke :of Cumberland, it would not he inconsistent
with, the intention he had then expressed-to confine the proposed
grant- to the minority of ,the. Prince.—( Hear !)—But it was im-
possible for hint to agree that the direction of the Prince's
_education .should be under the controal -of the King instead
of his -father. 'He could not think, if it was at all fitting to-give
the money, that it should be imposed as a condition to the grant
that the finhershould haVe no interference in a matter of such
deep interest to. him. ThiS would be the effect of the amend-
ment of the lion. and Learned Gentleman and if this were to
be done, it would be better not to give it all.—(Hear, bear!)—
With regard to the.Hon..and Learned Gentleman's propositiOn
that 3,0001. should be granted instead of 8,000/., he was quite
aware how difficult it must. e to demonstrate to the -House that
6,000!. were necessary for the education of the prince,—(a laugh,
and cries of " hear !),,and so it must be of any other sum. it
could. not be expected, if the prince was to be educated in
EnglancLand his parents might, perhaps, reside abroad,- that
he should not sometimes go to. visit them. It could not, there.'
fore, be the wish of the House, that the.grant to- be allowed for
his education should. be so small as not to allow .the possibility
.of such a visit. Be had,,as he had stated, no objection to con-
fine the grant to the minority of the prince.;. but he could never
consent to deprive the• Duke of Cumberland of that natural and
lawful right which he possessed,' of directing the education of
his own children.—(Dear !).
.lir.. 11. Sr:DINER disclaiined any intention of casting it'll.-
-putationsnpon the Duke of Cuutherland, and .supported the
amendment.,

Mr:- BROUGHA -said he was somewhat 'surprised at the
objections of the Right Hon. Gentleman to the proposition he
had suggested,' of giving to the King the superintendence of
the education of the Prince of Cumberland. This Wes no more
than the-law had already given to him. As the chief of -the
Royal Family,. he was entitled to the care of the persons of
those who were hereafter, it might be,, to becoMe the heirs to
his throne : this had been held to be the law by the decision of
ten out of the twelve Judges -in Sergeants'-ltm-hall, • in 'the
case of Fitzgeorge's children • and /George IL, and that de- •
cision had been acted upon. The -late Ring interfered upon
this- ground with the education of the late Princess Charlotte ;
and his Present Majesty had, at. a subsequent period, insisted
-upon exercising the same power, on the authorityof this very
.:.case, Which was :opposed to the Ordinary'. principle of law; by
'which the care of the education of children was given to the
mother rather than to the father. That power which he proposed
to give.the King by. the present .bill was therefore no more than
what lie at present possessed ; but the House might grant the
money upon the condition that his Majesty would exercise that
right. lie prayed the 'House to consider for a moment what.
was, the avowed object of this grant. It was that an adequate,
nay, a splendid, provision, should be made for the educa-
tion of the Prince, in such a manner as suited his rank,
and the probability of his one day filling the throne of this
Country. lie called upon the House to-reflect, therefore,
whether that object could not be accomplished-in a manner
more -regular, more constitutional, and more safe than was
now proposed, by giving the money which was destined for
this purpose into responsible instead of irresponsible hands—
by it to the Ministers of the country (for giving it to
'the King was to Make them answerable for its -application),
who could not:divert one shilling of it from Its proper purpose.
Those 31inisters could not devote it to the payment of the
debts which the Duke of Cumberland might owe,. nor to any
annuities with which he might be charged, but they would
be answerable with their heads for the -honest application of
it to the purposes: for which it was intrusted to them: Was
this. not a more safe, consistent, and constitutional means,
than -that which the Chancellor of the Exchequer asked
the House to adopt, and by which the money must fall
into the hands of the Duke of Cumberland, who was living
abroad, and,who,: when once he had obtained possession of it,
might do whatever he would with it. It was truethat we were
flush of money—that we had. an inconvenient abundance of
wealth—much more, indeed, than we knew what to do with._
The country was in a plethoric state, and the House was obliged
to resort to frequent and copious bleedings to keep it in health.
We had-now before us a- golden opportunity of disposing of
some part of our burdensome riches, by granting to a little boy,
six years old, 6,0001.• a year for the payment of his education.
He admitted the relief which it would be to the country to get
rid of this money. He was quite alive to the importance and
advantage of this measure; but still he did not Wish to see it
carried too far.—(baughter.)—The House . was about to grant
to. the Duke of Cumberland 6,0001. a-year-for his son's edu-
• cation. The Duke resided abroad; he might receive this sum,
anti might not apply one shilling of it in payment for the edu-
cation, This was what the Committee was abour to rush into.
The case he hat supposed might happen (for miprcivision was
to be made against kt); and the House would then be called
upon to vote in the contingent accounts., whatever might be
due on account of the Prince. What he proposed was; he
thought, more reasonable—he was sure it was more safe: It
would make the Ministers. responsible for the: education of the
Prince, and would, at least, prevent the possibility of any part
of time grant being diverted from the sacred purpose to Which
the. Legislature had devoted it, while the power of the Crown ,
would be left exactly where it now was. With respect to- the
observations of the Hon. Baronet (Sir- C. Forbes), who acknow-
ledged that he had rather have chosen to address the House
during the absence than in the presence of strangers, all that he
(Mr. Brougham). meant to say was, that it was much more con-
venient for the Duke of Cumberland and his claims that they
should be mentioned in privateihan in public.—(Hear, hear l/
Right Hon. Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, was so
fair and liberal, that he did not see upon what grounds the
purposetiHi
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intro-
duction of any words which would suffice to render that inten-
tion more clear.—(Hear 1)—It was difficult, perhaps impossible,
to say what degree of confidence or distruSt was to be exerciSed
towards the father in that child's education, without entering
tksworaeeai:doso.ifhns
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ewlural
Cumberland,
si
ifnito:hr,
nnedgn: proposition made by his
into a subject which was at once painful and delicate, or exa-
mining the opinions of those who thought that time money
granted might, in passing through that which must be allowed
; to be the natural channel, be prodigally thrown away. It
would be inexpedient, on all accounts, to do this. The
persons who . thought this must give effect to their opi-
nions by their vote,-for nothingin the course of this dis-
cussion could be expected to turn them. But it. was at the
same time not to be expected that those wino avowed no such
distrust of the Duke of Cumberland,—nay, more than distrust,
dislike, nay, more than dislike—persecuting detestation,
should -conform to the opinions of others.-(Hear, hear,!)_

What might be the grotirts for those hostile feelings, he
could not pretend to say, hut those who voted for taking the
education of the son out of the hands of his father, and for
diminishing the amount of the allowance, were only bringing to
the test the opinions which had been so lavishly avowed towards
the Duke of Cumberland. --The justice of those opinions was not
a fit subject for discussion here. Every man must act as he pleased,
and it was in vain to attempt to combat by argument what
had not been fairly brought forward as substantial objections.-
Beyond the concessions which the Government had alma),
made, it was impossible to go. His Majesty's Ministers had
no right to inflict upon the Duke of Cumberland an oppro-
brium, which, if he could have deserved, they would have forgot-
ten their duty to the country in bringing his name before. the
House.—(Hear, hear!)—So far as security for the due appli-
cation of the money went, the House had a right to require ;
but to enter into the subject beyond this, would be most un-
justly to stigmatize the Noble Person at() was so intimately
concerned in it.—(Cheers.)
Sir C. FORBES said a few Words in explanation:- The
House then divided, when the numbers were—

For the Amendment •
Agaihst it -
•
Majority - •
The SPEAREit being again in the Chair,
Nr. BROUGHAM. rose just to submit, that whatever might
be the case with respect to the decisions of the House, it would
be no breach of privilege -to .comment upon the conduct of a
Committee.. Then, having a right to observe on 'what passed,
he did feel himself bound certainly to declare, that there never
had been a vote. in his• opinion passed by any Committee' less
calculated to raise that Committee-in the estimation of the coun-
try, than that which had •just- declared in favour •of giving
6,000/. a-year more to the Duke of Cumberland. For it was
nonsense to talk of this-grant being made to the Prince of Cum-
berland,—it was a gift directly to the-Duke—an allowance•
not of 6,0001. annually, for the. -education' of the son, but of
5,0001. annually for the expence •of the -father. This was the
true state of, the- transaction, and the only light. in'which the
people of England would look at it. They would be aware
that a Committee of the House of Commons, with its eyes fully.
opened by discussion, had, in its deep respect for the.DUke of
Cumberland—in • its esteem for his high public and private
character;-an esteem, no doubt perfectly well .grotinded,' but
in which they themselves did not entirely share—that it !..id
preferred granting that Illustrious Prince 60001. a year-that
was to gay, 50001.: for his own use, and Perhaps 10001,
for the education of his son—to giving him 30001. a year only,.
which, after paying for that same education, would have added
two thousand pounds a year to his existing income. Now, for
himself, he wished the Committee joy of• Its vote with all
heart ; and he hoped that the Members would live long—that
was to say, the rest of the present session, and all the next.,---ta
take the benefit of it. , When, at the expiration of that times
too, they returned to_ their cocstituents---be meant such Of them
as had any constituents—(Hear, ancl.great laughter)-rhe.hciped
that they would still further reap the fruits 'of . their glorious
triumph that evening, over constitutional principle, 'common,
sense, consistency, and honest, plain, direct, and manly feeling-
One word more only, upon what had fallen from a Right Hon-
GenL opposite, who, in the waradh of his eloquence and the
weakness of his case, had said something about a feeling of per-
sonal rancour on his (SI r. Brougham's) side the House towards
the Duke ..of Cumberland. As regarded his,. own feelings he
would merely observe, that in all his life he had never hau the`
slightest conimunication, either one way or the other, with the
illustrious individual in question.. On a former ()cession, go far
from entertaining any desire to do or say that which might be
unpleasant, it had been his fortune to differ from. several
Gentlemen -on his Own • side the House"; among ' others
from the Right Honourable' the President of the Board. of
Controul, who then sat on that side; 'and to :have exhibited at
least so 'much toleration as totha7ve objected to•the introduction
of the Duchess of Cumberland's 'name in the way in which it
had been given to the public, and to have defended the contluct
of that. lady as far as it was kpos-vri to him. In doing this, he
had been led of course by no,personal motive, but merely from a
sense of what should properly be the feeling of an - assembly of
English Gentlemen towards any and every illustrious female:
but, for any supposed quarrel between the Duke of 'Cumber-
land and the Whigparty, .the House had been reminded that
the Duke had once joined the." NO Popery" cry, and that be
had " never changed his opinions." Why, the fact was, that
his Royal Highness had so. completely altered his feeling to'
wards the Whigs, and had shown so much courtesy to several
Gentlemen distinctly introduced. to .him as of the Opposition
party, that there were Honourahle Members sitting round him
(Mr. Brougham) who actually.felt a doubt how far, if any per-
so.tial question arose with respect to. the Duke of cuinberland
they could, pleasantly, take part in it. From is sense of public
duty, therefore, it was, and certainly not from any private ran-
cour, that 'he opposed the vote before the Hotie ; thinking, as he
did, in his conscience, . that it was the most absolute and unjusti-
fiable job that he had ever seen attempted. In ease the iloue
should still feel inclined to take a more prudent •.course Than it
wag no proceeding in; and togrant the 3,0001. a-year, subject
to the controul of Ministers, he, now gave notice that, on -tire
coming up of the report,
.he would move an aniendmentto-tht
effect. In saying this, however, he desired distinctly to -ail.°c
that he considered the vote as-unneeesSary.altogether, and
he should certainly oppose it in tote, in all the other sPA.:
through which it had to pass. - • • . • foe
Mr. T. ''-ILSON' complained that ' the Mori; MernbeL,i.

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\Vinchelsea acted unhandsomely in throwing -dirt at .tlte' of
mittee. If he thought that that Hon. and Learn-ed Membet,,
those who sat with- Juin, monopolized all the talent and Pei
triotism•of the House, he might perhaps feel inclined, to, Tip
attention to them ; but as it was, he felt perfectly justiilea
the vote which he had given. • • -
Mr. BROUGHAM protested that in what he had said
had no way-alluded to the Hon. .31eniber; who he did firl.'!,le
believe tO be the most wise and patriotic Member of the
the Hothouse on which he sat. •
The er Orders of the Day were then disposed-of, and tb..
Muse adjourned at-II ALi -PAST Tw El .V.E. CLoeK. '

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDING •

lIOUSE OITCOMMONS.

Lunce,- 6' -die Junii, 1825. •
MESSAGE from - the LoriDs—That they. have agreed 0,6;
New Streets Act A Mendinent-Bill ; • Itos-shire Roads lad
and Mon tgom ery.Toor Will, without am end men t.
Roabs--Ardglass—Bill reported,. Report to lie on the to
e,
Glasgow and Parkhead—Further time granted to snake
port. ' • . .
r
CANALS—NWesternShip—illinutes of the Evidence to lie on
the table.'- Kensington -Petition for a Bill referred t°
Committee. 013(1
ESTATES—A'Gregor's,- Cadoganss, Earl of Oadogan of
.111evrick'sf—Bills read a third time, and passed. Ear....,
Radnor's, 'Lauder'S, Clare Hall (Cambridge), and Valk,ig
Bills read a second time, and committed. Paddington--P

read a first time. • ' . itt iri
Co IVIPAN IE S—Atlantie Steam Navigation, and Hibernian " 11
ing—Bills.reported, to be ingrossed. Shaw's iVater-4. 1..
read a third time. and passed. • - nclo'
IMP', OV.EME NT —Brighton—Petitions of Inhabitants, 8- be
_ I.'ilstone, again St—to lie oft the tabld; Bill reported, toi

ingrossed. . •
NATURALIZATION—DC Buck's Biallnsdrecaodman2liatte•
RECTORY—St. 'Martin (Birmingham)
•.

'1:I THES—St, Plave(Hart-street)
CHELSEA GLtTIE LA.wns
P °on RAT E—Henley'-on-Thames
INcLosunEs—White Ladies Aston

(Worcester)
COLONIAL INTERCOURSE
ALIMENT or PRISONERS (Scotland)
POSTAGE—Columbia

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Bills read a third uY
and passed.

COTTON MILLS • . .nst/
BRISTOL TOWN DUESREGULATION—Petition from Taunton, nO-
- lie on the table.
mei" ,t
WATE RIV 0 R eriek---Bill reported, to be
CompillaTioN_LAws7-Two Petitions from Dublin, ao

---refeired to the,Sele6t ComMittee. . .
IJUIVERSITIES POLICE • ell '
COLONIES TRADE ,
COURTS or JUSTICE (Scotland)
PASSAGE VESSELS REGULATION A to 1)°
ASSIMILATION OF CURRENCY Bills, as amended,
LOWLAND CHURCHES (Scotland) i . printed. - '
LUNATIC ASYLUMS (Ireland)
Bills read a first time'. bp
BANK TOKENS (Ireland)
BunnLE ACT AMENDMENT—BiII read a. first tialci: ..
read a Second.time on Friday next, and to be printe 13i19,
COURTS OF COMMON PLEAS AND KING'S BENCI!q;rI fo
to abolish the sale of Offices in, and to . make provlso A 0..
) Bills read a second, til
the Lords Chief Justice; read
,a first' time, to. be. re .-
cond time. on Wednesday next, and to be printed.

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NOTICES OF 'MOTIONS FOR THIS DAlt,;,ool
I. Mr. Sykes—Reduction of the Duty on, Soap and '
Candles. 0 C
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2. -Sir•Frantis Burdett--Evidenee taken-before Comm 1010
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appointed to inquire into the Court of Chancery. „ titiotl
3. Mr. Secretary Peel—Bill to correct. the practice of O
Writs of Error.' . • • ' co''
4. Mr. Hurne-L-Iteturn.of the number of State Prisonefsis r,:
' fined in India without trial ;—Cories of Merrorla,oiri,
respecting the Inaolßritons ;—and Copy of the her it.'`
ment
LAl'''
of the Reverend Mr. Bryce as' Clerk of t .
tionery.
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OR OF THE DAY' FOR THIS. •
I. Peter's Divorce Bill—C'onimittee. • .
~...Exelse Measures Regulation. Bill—Committee.
3. Labourers' Wages Bill Committee. - -• -•
4. Distillery Bill—Further consideration of Report' ,

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