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London, England, 1836-06-24 00:00:00

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Sir R. PEEL wished, for the sake of general conveni-
ence, to make some arrangement with the Noble Lord with
respect to the Irish Tithe Bill. The principle of the measure,
he apprehended, would require only one discussion. Of course
neither he nor any other Gentleman would be precluded from
entering upon the details. That discussion might be
taken upon that clause which refers to the leading princi-
ple of the Bill. He should propose that the Noble
Lord should name the day on which it was probable that
the clause would be taken under consideration by the
House.--(Hear, hear.) The Committee stood for Friday
next, but he understood that the Hon. Member for Kilkenny
had a motion to propose on that night, which would most
likely take the whole evening. He should therefore propose
that that clause should be taken on Monday se'nnight.
The clause in question was the 50th, which gave
the Lord Lieutenant the power to appoint Commissioners
to apply the surplus.---( Hear, hear.) That raised the whole
question of the principle, and if it met the general conve-
nience he should name that day for the discussion.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought that some day should be
named for proceeding with the clause to which the Right
Hon. Baronet had referred. Of course he snould not be able
to say how far the Committee would proceed on Friday,
if they proceeded so far as the 50th clause, he certainly
should be quite ready to postpone any discussion on the clause
till the Monday following. If the Committee proceeded as
far as the 50th clause, he would undertake it should not be
proceeded with till Monday.
Sir ROBERT PEEL thought it was the general desire to
take the discussion on the 50th clause on Monday.
Lord J. RUSSELL should propose going into Committee
on Friday on the Bill, on the understanding that the 50th
clause should not be proceeded with till Monday.
Mr. OLIPHANT presented two petitions from Perth,
and one from Leslie, in Fife, against the Municipal Corpora-
tion (Scotland) Bill.
BRIGHTON RAILWAY BILL AND BLACKWOOD

RAILWAY BILL.
Mr. WA SON called the attention of the House to the fact
that the Reports on these Bills were not, yet presented, al-
though there was ample time for doing so.
TITHE COMMUTATION (ENGLAND) BILL.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the Ordar of the Day for
[he House to resolve itself into Committee on this Bill.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from Ware,
[n Hertfordshire, against that portion of the Bill which related
:a personal tithes.

POOR LAW COMMISSIONERS.
Mr. MACLEAN begged to know whether the Poor Law
Commissioners had the power of preventing the poor from
attending divine service on Sundays?
_ _

Lord -JOHN RUSSELL said that on one occasion they
had been let out, and instead of going to church they spread
themselves over the country, doing much damage to the public.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Mr. D. W. lIARVE Y complained of the uncertainty at-
tending the public business of the House, as Hon. Members
did not know what measures would or would not he be brought
forward in the course of each evening. It would be very de-
sirable if that was ascertained.

Lord:J. RUSSEL L feared it would be objected to him that he
had brought forward measures in the absence of Hon. Members.
He would propose, after the Tithe Bill, to take the Lords'
amendments to the Municipal Corporations ( England) Bill.
After that the Charitable Trustees Bill, and then the Plura-
lities Bill.

(LEFT SITTING.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.

The House was occupied from three o'clock to a quarter
past five in further hearing evidence on the Stafford Disfran-
chisement Bill.-

The LORD CIIANCELLOR then took his seat on the Wool-
sack.

Lord HAT HE RTON presented a petition from Bilston in
Staffordshire, against' Church Rates. In 1827 a large sum of
money was raised on bond for building the church, and as church
rates had been sufficiently opposed in that parish the bond holders
ia some cases were in great distress. They prayed that the
House would take some steps for settling the question.
The Duke of WELLINGTON presented a petition from
the under-graduates of King's College, Aberdeen, praying for
delay in the Scotch University Bill.

• PRISONS.
The Duke of RICHMOND wished to ask a question of
much importance of the Noble Lord at the head of the
Government. Last year, a Committee of their Lordships
had reported that the state of the' City Prison, Newgate,
was a disgrace to the country. They were fully borne
out in that by the evidence which they had laid on the table.
It was imoossible for any one to see the prison without being
convinced no prisoner could leave it without being much worse
than when he was put in. That Report had been corroborated by
the Report of the inspectors of prisons who bad since visited
it, and it was proved on all hands that they were a disgrace
to the country, and it would be a disgrace to that House if they
allowed such a state of things, to remain. He wished to
ask the Noble Lord whether it was the intention of Govern-
ment to remove the prisoners from Neergate to the Peniten-
tiary,—as they had the power to do under an Act of Parlia-
ment of last session. Had they taken any steps to remove
the evil complained of, or would they do so.
Lord MELBOURNE said the reports allrded to
had been under the serious attention of the His Majesty's
Government. The Noble Lord 'the Secretary for the
Home Department, had already given the matter his ut-
most attention, and there was a Bill now in preparation for
amending the Gaol Act according to the Reports of the In-
spectors of Prisons. From the late period of the Session he
was afraid that Bill would not be passed this Session ; but early
next it would be introduced. With respect to Newgate, all
that the Noble Duke had stated was perfectly correct. A
proposition had been made by the Government to the
City authorities, which, if accepted, would remove the
evils which now existed there and in all other City
pri3ons. No answer had yet been returned, but there
was reason to believe that the Corporation would accept
the measure as proposed. He was not aware of any intention
to remove the prisoners to the Penitentiary—he trusted that
that measure would be rendered unnecessary by the remedies
which had been proposed.
Earl RIPON was glad the Corporation was likely to ac-
cede to the proposition of Government.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH said the returns upon the
table respecting the Church revenues of Ireland were ex-
tremely incorrect, and he should move on Thursday that they
be amended.

The Duke of RICHMOND wished to know whether pri-
soners were to he removed from Norgate to the Penitentiary,
as the Secretary of State was empowered by law to do?
Lord MELBOURNE said that every attention would he
given to the subject, with the view to remedy the evil cote.
plained of.

DUBLIN POLICE BILL.
This Bill was read a third tine; and on the motion of
Lord ELLENBOROUGH, a clause was added, empower-
ing the Lord Lieutenant to appoint Divisional Justices.
IRISH MUNICIPAL BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from
I-lavcrford West in favour of the Irish Municipal Reform Bill.
EarI.WINCHELSEA presented a petition from the county
of Kent, praying their Lordships to adhere to their amend-
ments.

THE NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT.
The Earl of FALMOUTH complained that he had been
misrepresented in the papers, in respect to the petition pre-
sented last evcning_from the architects.

EIERNE BAY PIER.
The Herne Bay Pier Bill was read a third time and passed.

SCOTCH ENTAILS.
Their Lordships then went into Collimate° on the Sc,:ch
Entails Bill, the Earl of Shaftesbury in the Chair.
On clause 3 being read,
The Earl of MANSFIELD objected to this clause, which

had ever conferred any power for political or party purposes.
On the contrary, the dock keeper and manager, and:the other
officers, were usually of what was called the liberal party.—
(Loud cries of " Question, " Divide.") If the Bill was re-
jected; therfi wotrld Ire no protection for the great commercial
interests of the etitintl.—( Question.) It would throw the
whole of that trust into the harids new Corporation, as
it had been said that it was formerly in the. hands of the old
corporation.—( Renewed cries of •' Question," " Divide," Ike.)
Mr. STANLEY thought the Dock rate-payers were a most
improper constituency, is their interests were transitory, while
those of the town-council werb permanent. As a Member for
Cheshire, he asked all those who tre:P well-wishers of the
town of Liverpool to join with him in en&avouring to re-
ject this Bill.—(Loud cries of " Divide.")
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the Original Motion
For Mr. Ewart's Amendment
Majority in fatour of the Amendment... —24
On our return to the gallery, we found
Mr. P. THOMSON on his legs, fie said he bad taken
no part in the political part of this question,—( Loud cheers.)
Politics had been most improperly mixed up with it.—(Re-
newed cheers from the Ministerial side of the House.) He
looked at the subject only in a commercial point of view.
He duly considered the matter in this light, and in his opinion
it was the only light in which it ought to be viewed. lie was
afraid he had given dissatisfaction to both parties, as neither
was content with the plan he had suggested. His opinion was
decidedly against the recommendation. He considered
that the Dock rate-payers were the most improper parties to
ho entrusted with the management of these concerns—
he had stated this to the parties themselves. He considered
the proposition of the Honourable and Learned Member for
Liverpool nearly, though not quite equally objectionable, be-
cause it seemed to him that the dock-rate payers ought
not to be in any way concerned in the management
of the docks.--(Hear, hear.) But, at the same time,
he felt strongly, and he wished to impress it on the
House that such a question ought not to be made a
matter of party arrangement in Committee, ( Hear,
hear,) and be hoped that in a future Session
the matter would be brought in a public shape before the
House.--(Loud cheers.) They ought to have the opinion of
Parliament taken relative to the constitution of the body,
and that the commercial interest would be considered in the
reduction of the dues, and that propersecurity would be taken
for the dues, so that they should not be improperly raised, and
that they might be managed with economy and propriety.
He trusted that the Bill would be made a public Bill in the
course of the next Sessions, and by that means be brought in
a proper shape before the House.
A Message from the Lords brought up the Parrott Naviga-
tion, and several private Bills.
NORTH AMERICAN BANKING COMPANY BILL.
On the motion of Mr. RICHARDSON, this Bill was read
a third time.