The Sun.
London, England, 1831-08-11 00:00:00

LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING AUGUST 11, 1831

attend him at his private house ; but that gentleman did
not attend at the appointed hour, and an officer of the
Court, by the Lord Chancellor's order, waited upon Sir
R. Birnie, and gave information on oath that he believed
Mr. Loveday contemplated the commission of a breach of
the peace, and a warrant was issued for his apprehension,
Sir R. Birnie waiting two hours beyond the usual time of
sitting, that he might not, if he were prepared with bail,
remain in custody all night. Ledhitter brought him at
the time mentioned, and be did not deny writing the letter
to Sir E. Sugden.

Sir R. BIRNIE told him he must find bail, himself in
200/., and two sureties in 1001. each, to keep the peace ;
and Mr. Loveday, not being prepared, was ordered to re-
main in Ledbitter's charge till the morning.
On Tuesday morning Mr. Loveday sent to Mr. Canine,
the celebrated surgeon, and Mr. George Robins, the auc-
tioneer, but those gentlemen were out; and he next sent
to Sir John Millie Doyle, M.P., who attended, but ex-
cused himself, on the ground that he did not happen to be
a housekeeper. Up to the time of the closing of the office,
at three o'clock on Tuesday afternoon, Mr. Loveday was
unable to procure bail ; and his commitment to prison was
made out and put into the hands of Ledbitter. He was
greatly agitated throughout the day.

QUEEN-SQUARE.
Yesterday Mr. Edmund Colman, of the Lord Cham-
berlain's Office, St. James's Palace, the son of George
Colman, Esq., the dramatic ticencer, made his third ap-
pearance at this office, charged with refusing to pay Samuel
Crossland, the driver of the cabriolet No. 2S, the sum of
11. 35., his legal tire.

The cab-driver stated, that on the previous evening the
defendant and another gentleman engaged his cab at the
Obelisk, near the Surrey Theatre, and ordered him to
drive to the Elephant and Castle, where the other gentle-
man got down. The defendant then ordered him to drive
forward ; and when they got to the turnpike-gate at Cam-
berwell, he said that he had no business there, and told
him to drive to the City; but on getting into the London.
road, he ordered him to stop at the Royal Mortar public-
house, and then told him to drive to Charing-cross; from
thence he was ordered to drive to the Old Bailey, and Mr.
Colman got out, and went into the King of Denmark
public-house, where he began to treat every person with
what they liked to drink, and then would not pay for it,
and witness had to pay nine shillings for him, far supper,
&c. Witness was then ordered to drive to Palace-yard,
and from thence to Buckingham-gate, and then to Spring-
garden-gate. From thence he was ordered to drive to a
noted place called Frances-street, Westminster-road,
"which place the gentleman will no doubt remember," said
the cab-man, looking significantly at the defendant. He then
drove him to the Edgware-road, and then to another
noted place, in Seymour-street, Euston-square, and from
thence to Buckingham-gate, where the defendant asked
him how much his fare was, and lie told him 1/. 35., in-
cluding the nine shillings he had paid for him at the Old
Bailey; he refused to pay him more than eighteen-pence,
and he gave him in charge to the police constable, who
took him to the station-house.

Mr. Colman, in reply, said that the cab-man drove him
just where he liked, for he gave him no orders ; he stopped
at almost every public-house on the road, and he gave the
cab-man gin at every house, and paid for it until he was
beastly drunk. It was very unlikely he should want him
to pay for what they had at the Old Bailey, as he had
money in his pocket; and if he charged hiin with owing
him any thing on that account, it was a lie, and he was a
perjured rascal. He offered to pay 1.55. in the station-house.
Mr. MARmorr said that he did not think it was a
credit to any gentleman to make a set-off for non-payment,
by saying that he had made the cab-driver drunk by giving
him gin at every house they stopped at—it was more to
his disgrace. He had nothing to do with the 95., and
the driver must apply to the Court of Requests ; and he
must, therefore, pay I4s. the fare, and the driver for his
loss of time. It, however, he was a man of honour, he
would pay the 9s. also, without giving the driver any fur-
ther trouble.

Mr. Colma❑ said he would pay the fare and costs, but
not the 95., as he considered himself gros,ly swindled.
The cab-driver said he would summon him to the Court
of Requests directly, only he wanted his address.
Mr. Colman said be would find him at St. James's
Palace.—The money was paid, and the cab-driver set off
for a summons.

SECOND EDITION.
SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

THIS EVENING.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKFR took his seat shortly after Three o'clock,

On the motion of Alderman WOOD the Bill for regu-
lating the steam-boats in the port of London, was read a
first time.

THE IRISH YEOMANRY.

Sir R. AIUSGRAVE presented a petition signed by a
great number of highly respectable persons, from the city
of Waterford, praying an enquiry into the late affair at
Newtownbarry, and also praying the House to adopt mea-
sures to disarm the Irish yeomanry. He heartily concurred
in the prayer of the petitioners, the compliance with which
was absolutely necessary to preserve the peace of Ireland.
It was certainly most impolitic to arm the yeomanry—a
measure which had caused great concern in Ireland.--
( Hear.) He knew that the yeomanry of the south of Ire-
land were a class of persons who had long been in open
hostility to the Roman Catholics, and it was therefore
most impolitic to intrust them with arms before their pas_
sions bad become subdued. The peace that had so
long prevailed in the county which he was connected
with, was solely attributable to the non-employment of
the yeomanry ; he strongly reprobated the calling out of
the yeomanry at Newtownbarry as a measure most unad-
visedly adopted, unless it was shown there had been a want of
other species of force. There was on the spot a body of police,
who if they alone had been employed, would most probably
have prevented so much blood from being shed. What-
ever reason there might have be.en for arming the yeo-
manry last year, there was no justification for allowing
them to retain their arms now.—( Hear.) The Noble
Lord at the head of the Government of Ireland must
know that in case of danger the yeomanry of Ireland, so
far from being of service, would be an incumbrance to the
regular army.—( Hear.)

Mr. STANLEY would not enter into the painful cir-
cumstances which had induced the Noble Marquis (An-
glesea) to decide upon the steps he did ; at the same time

it was not quite correct to state that the Government had
adopted any new system of arming the yeomanry ; there
was a force in the possession of such inferior arms
that while they would only add to any mischievous conse-
quences, they were insufficient in case of their services
being wanted; Lord Anglesea, under these circumstances,
only called in those inferior arms, and gave out others
which would enable the men to do their duty. He would
not at present enter into any irritating discussions upon
some topics, which only led to accusations and recrimina-
tions, nor would he enter into any defence of the deplorable
events that had occurred at Newtownbarry, because as far
as the conduct of the yeomanry and the police were con-
cerned, legal investigation was still pending, which would
probably lead to the usual ordeal of trial. He conkd not
but deprecate the discussion at the presept moment of
statements given at the Coroner's Inquest, and in
the public newspapers. He agreed that tho yeomanry
was not a force which should be hastily called out at the
discretion of any individual Magistrate—(Hear)—and
though the Lord Lieutenant thought it his duty to refrain
from expressing his opinions respecting the yeomanry, he
had thought it proper to express his disapprobation of the
calling them them out by the Magistrates. If he did not
express his disapprobation of the conduct of the yeomanry,
it was because the subject was still under consideration.
He (Mr. Stanley) begged also to say, that while he was
not prepared to promise that the yeomanry @hould be
either disbanded or disarmed, @till it was under
the consideration of government, whether a system could
not be adopted which should take from the yeomanry
all that was objectionable, leaving oply that which was
useful, At presept, however, he could not with propriety
enter into the details of that measure; but with regard to
private cases, if any one could be substantiated against
the officers or privates of improper conduct, there was no
Man than Lord Angleseit more ready to take the subject
into consideration, and inflict the fullest punishment upon
the individuals. With respect to.the proceedings of the

12th July, Lord Anplesea gave orders that none of the
yeomanry should attend the processions, and upon a corn-
plaint that some of them had attended they were instantly
dismissed. The Right Hon. Gentleman then referred to a
statement made last night by the Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber for Kerry (Mr. O'Connell) respecting the distributing of
arms to the Protestants of a corps, and withholding them
from the Catholics. This statement he begged the Hon.
and Learned Member to repeat now that he was present,
for he had not heard of the circumstance before. If the
ease turned out as the Hon. and Learned Member had re-
presented it, there could be no measure so strong that the
Lord Litutenaut would not adopt to vindicate the charac-
ter of the Government, and to show his sense of such im-
proper conduct.—(Hear.) He now begged to put it to
the Hon. Baronet who presented the petition, whether it
would not be better to withdraw it in consequence of the
language it contained; otherwise he (Mr. Stanley)
would be compelled to oppose the printing of it. The
petition used most strong language respecting the affair
at Newtownbarry—(Hear, hear, from Mr. O'Connell)—
that the yeomanry of Ireland consisted of the most igno-
rant persons--(Cheers from Mr. O'Connell)—and that
they made their power an excuse for robbery and murder
—(Cheers again from Mr. O'Connell.) He should put it
to the House whether such language should be allowed in
that hour.
Mr. O'CONNELL hoped his Hon. Friend would per-
severe in pressing the petition, not only as to its being re-
ceived, but as to its being printed. The petition stated
the fact of the Magistrates having been convinced of the
impropriety of employing a force which had done so much
mischief. He did not know the distinction between
reviving and creating a yeomanry force, but until lately
that species of force in his own county had been nearly
defunct, and merely supported by the Orange Lodge. He
was sorry to hear now that there was no hope that the
yeomanry were to be disarmed, and he could assure the
House, that it was impossible now to say to what extent
blood would be spilt by this atrocious force. He was sorry
also to be obliged to say, that religious bigotry had been
re-animated in Ireland by Lord Anglesea and his servants.
Let it be recollected, that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Stanley) who now used such mild language, was the indi-
vidual who proposed to transport those of the Catholic
peasants who had fire-arms in their possession.—(Hear.)
He begged the Right Honourable Gentlemen to read the
speeches of the Protestant Gentlemen at a meeting a
short time ago in Wexford, and see the defiance to Go-
vernment for arming this unbearable yeomanry force. In
regard to the case which he had mentioned last night, he
now repeated that Captain D'Arcy had distributed arms to
the Protestants and refused them to the Catholics of his
corps, in confirmation of which he read the names of
those of the Catholics who were refused arms, and also
the names of the witnesses to vouch for its truth.—(Mr.
Stanley here was observed taking down the names.) The
witnesses would require the protection of Government,
which no doubt they would receive. This Captain D'Arcy
was in a procession on the 12th of July, carrying an
Orange flag. He had some recollection that the Right
Honourable Gentleman had on a former night said that
the arming of the yeomanry was to cease; but
he had heard that several corps had since then been armed.
Until the yeomanry were disarmed there would be more
bloodshed. In the case of Newtownbarry every officer
denied having given any orders to fire; therefore the men
must have fired without orders, which was an abundant
reason for disarming them.—(Hear.) The House would
have petitions upon this subject from every part of Ire-
land ; one from Galway, he should have to present in a
few days. If the Government wanted an increase of force
in Ireland let them send an army there; the King's troops
were the people's friends, and between them and the
people, notwithstanding the troops were sometimes re-
quired to perform a painful duty, the utmcst harmony
existed.
Mr. COLE rose to defend the conduct of Capt. D'Arcy,
but he spoke in so low a tone as to be inaudible in the
gallery.
Mr. BROIVNLOW said this was a petition for the ge-
neral disarming of the yeomanry of Ireland ; and the pre-
sent petition occasioned considerable embarrassment—not
certainly with respect to the opinion he should give; but
placed as he was in the very midst of the yeomanry of
Ireland living as he did in the midst of a camp of armed
men, he was afraid, lest what he might say should be
construed disrespectfully as reflecting upon those indi-
viduals as such, who were the hardy, laborious, and most
valuable portion of the North of Ireland. He would speak
only of the bad, odious, vicious, and dangerous prin-
ciple—the principle of religious exclusion, on which
these yeomanry were brought together, and he could not
but say it with regret, not hostility, that he viewed that
as a most dangerous and ill-timed step, which his Ma-
jesty's
Government had taken in renewing that force in
Ireland, when it was nearly extinct. —( Hear, hear.) He
Very much doubted the wisdom of such a force even in
this country; but surely if there was any justice in that
opinion, it applied with ten-fold force and weight to Ire-
land, where mutual party hostility so much prevailed, and
where the unhappy differences between the religious as-
scendant and the Catholic inferior tended so much to foster
dissentions. He trusted that Government would review

,heir opinion upon this subject, and by this same measure
remove this source of universal complaint.
Sir JOHN BURKE did not approve of the words ob-
jected to, but did not think in the excitement of the par-
ties that it was a sufficient reason for the House refusing
to print the petition. Upon the question in general, he
did not think that a body constituted like the Irish yeo
inanry was at all suited to Ireland in a time of peace, and
if any additional assistance were necessary in order to pre-
seve the peace, be would recommend an extension of the
military force or police, which would not be viewed by that
country with distrust.
Sir J. NEWPORT had uniformly disapproved of
the establishment of any local armed force such as
the Irish yeomanry, and if he wanted additional evidence
of the evil he would receive it from the fact, that a mili-
tary force had never been viewed with distrust or suspi-
cion, while those were the only feelings which uniformly
almost were entertained respecting the yeomanry of Ire-
land. It would, however, he thought, be extremely un-
wise to refuse the present petition. And he would recom-
mend, if any additional force were necessary, that an aug-
mentation should take place of the regular military force.
Sir GEORGE CLERK would not throw any impedi-
ment iu the way of presenting petitions to that House,
but he still thought that the House ought not to give its
sanction to the publication of statements relating to trans-
actions while there were legal proceedings pending affect-
ing the question.
Captain GORDON hoped that the Right Hon. Gentle-
erila opposite (Mr. Stanley) would persevere in the
course of
of which he had given notice, and oppose the print-
ing of the petition. He would never in that House con-
sent the dereliction of principle and duty when he
hea to
beard the character of innocent individuals aspersed. It was
stated, with reference tp a most respectable clergyman.,—a clergyman presented in his principles and eon-
who, as
a real model of clerical fidelity and great con-
y—that be was no doubt a pious man, and
spd
et:
rtc
na
perhaps,
s
reading his Bible while the yeomanry were
killing the people. That was a sneer and a taunt as on.
worthy of the Member who made it as
in iT was eatunits
on the individual whom it was made.
Mr. S. RICE pstrecated the spirit in which the
t?..
Hon. Gentleman who' had 'just sat down hail apok4.
why should he interrupt the coolnesq and
i-aoderation .n
which the discussion had ben hefure carried on ?—(Cap-
tain Qordon,--" Moderation with a vengeance.") Mode-
ration with a vengeance! Does the Hon. Member far
Dundalk say, "Moderation with a vengeance !" I
says it not in a manner very Parliamentery, Moderation
with a vengeance ! not in s;ery pod taste--(Hear, hear)
__moderation, with a vengeance from an Hon. Gentle-
man, the very meekest of whose words were sending
aspersions and calumnies against the Honourable Gen.:
tleman who introduced the petition—(Hear, hear)—
and who has assumed the character of a very pious
and charitable gentlernen.—( Hear., bear.) At the karne
time, he would infinitely more deeply deplora that any
occurrence, such as that referred to by the petition should
take place in any part of the empire withotit its mal44-4
a way into that House. He could net, however,
but reeoinmend to some gentleinen 'to set a watch upon
their lips to curb to
some
feelings, and while they discharged
the virulence of the disease which they
and sincerity; to heware lest from
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Cure.
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