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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

(THIS DAY.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'Clock.
Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN presented a petition from the Apothecaries o
Dublin against the qualification clauses in the Morical Charities Bill.
The HON. MEMBER gave notice that on 111inging up the Report on the
Municipal Corporation Bill he should move a clausedirecting a valuation
to be made by the Poor Law Commissioners during the present year,
so that the Bill might come into action dthing the autumn.
Mr. CHAPMAN enquired if Government intended to do anything
to remedy the frequent accidents which occurred on board steanuessels.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was understpod to say that he was not aware
of any such inten'ion.

THE VIXEN.
Sir S. CANNING said he had given notice that he should ask for
some papers relative to the seizure of the Vixen, and he would now pro-
ceed to sate what they were. The first, was a copy of any legal pro-
ceedings or sentence of any court of law in Russia, with regard to the
rixen. The next, a copy of any application made relative to the Vireo,
to the Court of St. Petersburg by his Majesty's Ambassador, or any re-
monstrance. Would there be any objection to the production of these
documents ?

Lord PALMERSTON said there would be no objection to their pro.
duction if they were in existence.

Sir C. CANNING said the next question he should ask was, If there
were any dispatches from the Noble Lord to his Majesty's Ambassador
between the 27th January, 1836, and the date of the first dispatch In
the official printed papers, giving insttuctions to Lord Durham ?
There was also in one of the printed papers a reference to a cor-
respondence by Lord Ponsonby, ns to some regulations which affected
the seizure of the Vixen, as given by the Court of St. Petersburg in
the year 1831. He wished to knew whether they now existed ?
He understood also from Mr. Bell that there was in existence a de.
spatch from Mr. Urquhart, the late envoy from the British Collet at
Constantinople, dated the 20th September, 1837, which Mr. Beil de-
scribed as having an immediate bearing upon the merits of the case, lie
was authorised to state that Mr. Urquhart had no objection to the pro.
duction of that document, and he wished to ask the Noble Lord whether
he had any objection to its production, as he considered It of great Inn.
portance P
Lord PALMERSTON said if he recollected Lright no communica-
tion had been made to Lord Durham, between January 1536 and *ril
1837, and the first instructions given to Lord Durham were those Ia
April 1837, which had already been laid before Parliament. NS-Ith respect
to the dispatch announcing the intentions of the Russian Government on
the subject, he was not aware that there "vas any objection to lay it upon
the table of the House. With regard to the letter of Mr. Urquhart,
dated September 1837, it was written after he had ceased to hold an Offi-
cial situation, and he (Lord Palmerston) regarded it as a private corn-
munication.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Independently of that objection,
it contained most unfounded statements and misrepresentations, and an
attack upon his (Lord Paltuereton's) conduct. Under these cireum-
st.inees he did not conceive himself justified in laying It upon the
table. If he did so, he should be obliged to write a long reply to it, ex..
posing its falsities and mistatemente.
Sir S :VITORD CANNING begged to ask whether there was auy
jection to the production of that portion of the letter which he under.
stood referred to the case of the Vixen especially ?
Lord PALMERSTON believed that portion of the letter was con-
nected with a false statement made in the petition, namely that Mr.
Bell had stated that he had sent out the Pixels in consequence of the
voyage having been encouraged by the Secretary of State, For these
reasons he certainly would 11(4 consent to its production,
Sir STRATFORD CANNING believed there were some other alle.
gations relating to the Vixen in that letter, It was with a view to as-
certaining the facts of the ease that he had asked for the documents,
The circumstance of the dispatch being unofficial certainly entitled the
Noble Lord to keep it back if he thought proper, but he really thought
there were parts of it that might be made public.
Lord PA LMERSTON said that Mr. Urquhart had written a long
letter to him, containing a series of mis-statements connected with his
meal. Ho had not as yet had Uwe to enter Into a controversy
with Mr. Urquhart, and therefore those letters remained wholly
unanswered from that time to the present.—(Hear, hear.) Now
if this letter were laid on the table, which he had received Prom Mr.
Urquhart, lie must write an answer to accompany it. He would, how.
ever, read the letter again, and then tell the Right Hon. Gentleman lila
view of the case.
Sir STRATFORD CANNING'S only desire was to obtain informs.
tion. He would, therefore, take au opportunity of bringing the eare4,3et
forward.

JUVENILE OFFENDERS.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the Order of the Day for the House
resolving itself into a Committee on the Juvenile Offevalers' Bill.
Mr. GIBSON wished to know whether in the. Case of juvenile
offenders, emigration was to be made a condition 'of pardon.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that in terialn cases where they gatild
I.a advantageously employed 10 the coloules,_it might be considered ex-
pedient to grant a pardon.

The House then resolved itself Into Committee.
On the first clause being put,
Mr. ESTCOURT wished to know from the Noble Lord what meaning
was to be attached to the words "young offender." Did it Man young
in years or in crime ?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL did not think that an aged person committing
a first crime could be called a young offender.—(A laugh.)
Clauses 1 and t; were then passed.
On the r6ading of clause 3,
Mr. ASHTON YATES moved an amendment, which was not dis-
tinctly beard in the Gallery, but was understood to be for the limitation
of the age, beyond which offenders should not be sent tp this prison.
Mr. HA WES thought that this ought to be a prison for Juvenile of-
fenders solely; but, at the same time, there ought to be a considerable
discretion left to the Judge, or the Secretary of State, in fixing the age.
Mr. C. LUsHINGTON said, that in an institution with which he was
connected great evil was found to be occasioned by allowing lads of 18
years of age to mix with younger boys. He hoped the age would bs
fixed at not more than 16.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought that the age ought to be left to the
discretion of the Judge and the Secretary of State.
The clause was then agreed to.
Clauses 4 and 5 were agreed to, after a few remarks from Mr. If kIVER,
Lord J. Russur., and other Hon. Members.
After a few words from Mr. Hawes, Mr. I'rymo, and. Mr. Ashton
Yates,

Clauses 6,7, 8,9, 10, 11, and 1`.2 were agreed to.
Clauses 13 end 14, as amended, were agreed to, as was the preamble
of the Bill.
Mr. JONES trusted, before Mr. Bernal left the Chair, he might be
allowed to request of the Noble Lord, that in all cases where her Majes-
ty's Royal pardon was to be given to offenders, he would require to see the
notes of the Judga who tried the delinquent. He was inductil to make
the request from a circumstance that occurred in Carmarthen, where
two culprits were pardoned through the interposition of two Magistrates
who had not been present at the trial, and whose only motive fur in.
terference, as he had understood, was that the offenders were freeholders.
He understood that the Noble Lord, after reading the notes of the
Leartned Judge, had expressed his regret at the course he had adopted.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was not aware of the facts alluded to, nor
could he be prepared to answer them as he was not aware that ale
lion. Gent intended to bring such a grave charge against him.
Mr. JONES said the case had been brought under the notice of the
Noble Lord, and he had expressed his regret for being so hasty.
The House then resumed.

VACATION SITTINGS BILL—(QUEEN'S lIENCH.)
The ATTORNEY-GENE?tAL moved the second reading of this
Bill, which had been brought in by the Noble Lord who preshled in the
Court. He trusted the Bill would be read a second time now, without
prejudice to its being opposed at a future stage. The object of the Bill
was to allow the Court to sit in ISanco (luring the tour weeks it sat at
Nisi Prins, and would not at all interfere with the vacation. He be,
lieved it would be of much benefit to the public, and it also met with
the general approbation of the profesEion.
Mr. JERVIS would not then have said one word had it not been for
the last statement of the Learned Attorney-General. So fa;. Nun that
being the case, he believed that the profession almost uni•eersally disap-
proved of it—.(A laugh)—and many Learned Memtre•s of that House
intended to oppose it at a future time.
Tho ATTORNEY-GENERA L said that the till would not interfere
with the vacation. It only proposed that there should be sittings %Al
Banco during the four weeks of Nisi .?r•isrs, after term.
'I he Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed ou
Monday.

VESTRIRS IN CHURCHES BILL.
On the motion of D. NICHOLL, the Vestries in Churches Bill was
read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday.
SODOR AND MAN BISHOPRIC.
On the reading of the Order of the Day fur the third reading of the
odor and Man Bishopric Bill,
Mr. C. LUSHINGTON said that this Bill had been introduced to the
House at twelve o'clock at night, and the House had been in a state of
confusion, on every occasion since when the Bill was before it. The ec.-
elesiastical Commissioners had recommended the union of this Bishopric
with Carlisle. The Archbishop of Cant erbury expressed himself favour-
able to the union, and Lord Melbourne in the House of Lords said that
the union was desirable, if only for the sake of relieving tho Bishop tl'om
the secular duties in which his situation involved him.
Lord JOHN IIUSSELL said that it was true that the Commissioners
recommended the union of this bishopric with Carlisle, but
great objections were found to exist. There was some difficulty as to
disposing of the revenues. It was not deemed just that they should
be transferr«l to the see of Carlisle, and a disposition has
been manifested to keep up the bishopric of Sodor and Man. At
the same time the income of the Bishop hadbeen limited to about :3,0004
and the incomes of the parochial Clergy had been augmented with the
remainder or the income. It was tlise provisions that had Induced him
(lord J. Russell) to support the Bill. The Church Commissioners
also had unaniummly agreed to its enactments, and believing that it
would prove equally satisfactory to the sees of Carlisle and of Soder and.
Man, h^ hoped the House would suppmt the Bill.

Mr. PRYME said a general feeling existed in the island in favour of
the continuance of the bishopric, and one great reason was 'the
nictitation of the smaller livings of the parochial Clergy from
the Episcopal revenues of the island.—Mear, hear hear.)
A great object with the inhabitants was to °Utah) a resident
Bishop. The late Bishop of the island did not reside upon his See for
several
years and ought not some provision, to ho inserted in
this Act for securing the residence of the iiishop hi the island—
at least for as long n period as tiro parochial Clergy were compelled to
reside on their benefices P—(Hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said a local statute existed, enacting that the
Bishap should reside at least four months out of the year on the island.
Mr. THORNLEY sand he had heard the inhabitants of the island
were in favour of the see being united to tied of Cariisle, till the lion.
Member ibr Oxford (Sir R. Inglis) went among them and stirred up
those remonstrances,
Sir C. STYLE said he cottl:, not refrain from paying his ttibute. hf
praise to the late liishov of Sodor and Maa.
Mr. LUSIIINW;ON said the virtues of the late Bishop had not, ,beon
aluded to. What he was anxious to get rid of was what he conglApred
an unneassary measure. '
Atter a few words irom Mr. PRYME,
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House dividod ; when
the nurnhers were—
Vor the third reading .................................... 69
Against it ................................... 4
Majority for the third reading .......... .........
..... 64
The Bill then passed.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL obtained leave to bring in a Bill to settle
and describe Municipal Boundaries in Ireland.
The Orders of the Day having been all gone through, the Rouse
adjourned at iialf-past One