The Sun.
London, England, 1822-03-22 00:00:00

IRISH FIVE PER CENTS.

Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report of the Committee
on the Irish Five per Cents. The Resolutions were agreed to,
and a Bill was ordered accordingly.

REPORT OF SUPPLY. I
Mr. BROODEN brought up the Report of the Committee
•of Supply of Monday. The Resolution, respecting the grant
for the payment of the dissenters from the proposal for reducing
the five per cents. was read and agreed to ; and a Bill was or-
dared accordingly.

Yesterday a Court of Common Council was held for the dis-
patch of miscellaneous business.
Mr. FAVELL rose upon a question of privilege, which at-
tached, in a very serious manner, to an Honourable Baronet of
no small size or fame. In stating the case to the Court, he
(Mr. Favell) should " nothing extenuate, nor aught set down
in malice." The duty of the Court was to take care of the
property and the character of the citizens, and they had, in
the performance of that duty, beers often insulted by the tools
of corruption. But it was reserved for the Hon. Baronet, on
the Ist of March, to calumniate, according to the public jour-
nals, that Court and a Committee of it, in presenting a Peti-
tion to the Houk of Commons. The Hon. Baronet seemed to
wish to meet the question openly. He had consulted The
Morning Chronicle, The Times, and The Morning Post, as
to Alderman Wood's presenting the Petition for inquiring into
the affray at Knightsbridge, but that inquiry was stifled ; and
on that occasion the lion. Baronet was made to say that the
Sheriff had better been at home, and that the Court of Com-
mon Council was always interfering and meddling with ques-
tions into which they had no right to inquire, and which were
far above their wisdom and energy.—(llear, hear !)—He was
compelled to complain of such expressions upon the part of the
Hon. Baronet as applied to the Court. Foreigners might think
them nothing better than swindlers. The Hon. Baronet had
also charged the Committee of that Court with having no right
to enter into an inquiry, as to an attempt on the life of the late
Sheriff: It behoved the Hon. Baronet, as senior Alderman, to
explain this conduct to the Court.
Mr. JAMES said, he felt at a loss to know what the motion
before the Coutt was.
Mr. FAVELL had a motion to make, but not if the Hon.
Baronet could show that the reporters were wrong, or disavowed
the words imputed to him.
Alderman C. SMITH thought the matter irregular.
Mr. OLDHAM said, that it' the Hon. Baronet chose to give
any explanation then, it would not he irregular.
Alderman WAITILMAN said, the only irregularity was in
debating a thing before it was moved.
Sir WILLIAM CURT Ls avowed the greatest part of what the
Worthy Member had stated, but he could not go to the full
length of the statement. He did not attempt to show the folly
of bringing such questions betbre the House of Commons. Let
any man examine that evidence, and then say if it was not a
disgrace to the Court ? Was it a breach of privilege, or had
he not the freedom of speech as well as the Hon. Member ?
No man should shut his mouth or fetter his tongue. Let any
man look at the acts and language of that Court for the last
ten years, and say whether they did not libel the City of Lon-
don ? Read their Address to the Crown, and it ought to make
them tremble and ashamed of themselves. The Court had dis-
graced itself by being led by demagogues.—(Cries of Order,
order !)--He would not be called to order for speaking his sen-
timents. The sentiments attributed to him in the newspapers
were his sentiments, though his words were altered. His wish
was, to uphold. the honour of the Court, but many Members
disgraced themselves by not speaking or thinking for them-
selves. Let the matter be worded as strongly against him as
it could be—he cared not.
Mr. FAvett.r. said, the Hon. Bart. had, in the House of Com-
nions, denied the right of that Court to inquire into the subject,
Mr. HUME wished to know whether it was intended to and he now came boldly to revile and censure their proceed-
keep up the Office of Commissioner at Malta ? ings. There was a time when the Court supported every
Mi-
Sir B. MARTIN assured the House that the salaries of that nisterial measure, but now the Ministers were obliged to aban-
. Department were too small for its duties. don the system which it was the distinguished honour of
Sir I. COFFIN thought that the appointment of Commis- the Court to have condemned for the last four years; but the
sioners abroad was a means of saving thousands upon thousands Hon. Bart. thinks the honour of the Court its disgrace.—(Hear,
..•to the country, as they prevented fraud and abuses. hear !)—lt never was the intention of the Court to treat the
Sir G. COCKS RN concurred fully in the force and just- King with disrespect, but to remind him that his Ministers
neas of this observation. were actin,* in a manner inconsistent with the spirit of the Con-
The Resolution was agreed. to ; as were several others, with- stitution. He complained that when the Hon. Bart. seconded
out any opposition. the motion for inquiry in the House of Commons, lie should
Upon the Resolution for granting 600,0001. for the Preven- take that opportunity to impugn their proceedings. This, no
tive Service, doubt, might be the best road to Ministerial favour at present ;
Mr. HUME said, that of this sum there was altogether a but if a change of Administration should take place, the Hon.
. charge of 80,0001. for the coast blockade. He complained that Bart. might then see things in a very different light.—(Hear !
these accounts should be merged altogether in the Navy Esti- and a laugh.)—The Hon. Member then moved a Vote of Cen-
mates. They ought to form distinct heads of expenditure.— sure on Sir Wm. Curtis.
The Hon. Member proceeded to complain of the employment Mr. PATTEN declared that, as a Member of the Coln-
of admirals at the principal ports, instead of rear-admirals. If mittee, whose proceedings had been so unwarrantably censured '1
the latter were employed instead of the former, . there would be by the Honourable Baronet, he must say, nothing could be
a saving to the country of hear two-thirds of their salaries and more impartial than their whole conduct; and although the
allowances. He hoped, that in the next Session there would Members were of very different political opinions, yet they all
be presented an account of the number of persons so paid by this agreed in the Report.
vote, separating the expences of the marines. He repeated his Alderman WAIT Haw; said, he had abstained from giving
former objections to the keeping up of 7 generals of marines ; evidence before the Committee, although the whole matter
but, if they must be kept up, they ought to be provided for had passed before his eyes; yet he was willing that the Re-
in a different manner, and not left as. the holders of sinecure port should stand on the evidence of others. When a sub-
offices. The Hon. Member went on to complain that the ma- ject was referred to a Committee, and they made a Re-
rines were most dreadfully neglected. They had not the same port on it, it was a serious matter to question that Report,
chance of promotion which was given to naval and military especially the motives of the Committee. How should
officers; besides, they were obliged to undergo a longer pe- any Member of that Committee, after neglecting his duty
riod of service before they ascended in rank. It appear- by not attending its meetings, and after allowing the Re-
ed, that - from the 4th of .June, 1814, to 1820, the promo- port to receive the approbation of the Court, without mak-
. tions in the marines were as follows :—Nine second lieu- ing a single observation, dare to assert respecting it, in
tenants to .be first lieutenants ; nine first lieutenants to he another place, what was not substantially true ?—(Hear,
• captains.; eight captains to he majors ; seven majors to be hear !)--The worthy Alderman has been a Member of the
Lieutenant-Colonels; four Lieutenant-Colonels to he Colonels. Court for 36 years, and now says they are factious—he almost
All of these had served in the American war, and had been said treasonable; that they are Jesuits, and demagogues.—(Sir
forty years•in the service. Even at the Coronation the Officers William Curtis here said he only spoke figuratively.)—.Of
eof Marines had not received their fair share of promotion. But some, he says, he has a better opinion ; but even them he treats
the injustice exercised towards Marine Officers did not stop as fools, who resign the exercise of their understanding to their
here ; it descended to their widows and children. The child factious brethren. The Hon. Bart. assumes to himself the pos-
of a Field Officer is the army was, after his death, allowed 301. session of transcendent talents and wisdom. How happens it
. a-year, while in the Marines it was no ,more than 101. There that the can only exert those great qualities in the house of
had not been mere than 43 promotions in the Marines within Commons ; and when he comes before the Court, they appear
the last six years. After the battle of Trafalgar, one Marine to utterly forsake him. Ile (Mr. W.) did not mean to attribute
-Officer had been promoted, and only two after the battle of bad motives to any individual ; but if the Hon. Baronet had so
e Algiers. The Hon. Member then made the following state- much wisdom and honour, they should have been discovered in
snent of the number of Officers promoted in the,Nay.y from the thirty-six years.—(Bear.)—lle was sorry to be obliged to men-
eyear,lBl6 t 0.1821, both years inclusive, and the amount of tion another matter in the absence of the Gentleman to whom

13,462 13 10

796 10 0
667 0 7
1,177 9 6
1,179 11 10
1,771 0 6

Total I X 25,3521203,157210,7451202,671 13 9118,387 5 3
--The expence in 1822 was 177,3191. 13s. 9d. more than in
1792, and was only 4851. 6s. 3d. less in 1822 than in 1813,
when we had thousands of pendants flying.--(Hear, hear !)
Why, he asked, should Commissioners and Clerks receive
salaries new as high as any enjoyed by them when they had
the income tax to pay ? lie must once again enter his protest
.against our keeping up such large and expensive establish-
ments. He found he had been censured by many for the course
which he had adopted with respect to this branch of our expendi-
ture ;-at least so he judged from several communications which
had reached him, complaining that he proposed too great a
reduction of that great national force, our Navy. To this he
-hould answer, that it had never been his intention to reduce
the power of OUT Navy. What he aimed at was, the reduc-
tion of a dead and unnecessary expenditure which oppressed
• the country.
The Resolution was then put and agreed to.
Upon the' Resolution for granting a certain sum for Foreign
Yards,