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countrymen; here is his passport from Paris to Bayonne,
signed by the Sub-Prefect of Bayonne, by which he was
enabled to proceed through the entire line of frontiers.
He accuses us of what he himself did. Reflect, Gentle•
men, on the morality of such conduct. I now come to
the question of Italy, but I shall remain silent With regard
to various circumstances, as if I knew not by whom plans
were demanded and meetings granted ; though it is even
said that the Minister for Foreign Affairs held secret con-
versations with the Members of the Italian Provisional
Government.

M. Sebastiani—State it ; I call upon you to say all you
know.—(Violent interruption.)
Mauguin—lt is said that the Minister for Foreign
Affairs saw the Members of the Italian Provisional Govern-
ment, and that he explained in what way he understood
the system of non-intervention.
The Minister for Foreign Affairs—lt is false.
M. Mauguin—There is a means of being convinced of
it, which I shall presently make known. Something was
said of a correspondence with the demagogues in Belgium,
of Ambassadors and Envoys, and that correspondence was
kept up between the clubs and popular societies ; but what
is there in common between these societies or clubs and the
Opposition? I call upon you to answer, for I know it not.
This is my reply to M. Guizot. The Hon. Deputy con-
cluded by saying that he saw no safety for the State in
the individuals forming the Government, who while follow-
ing the dictates of their conscience, could not sympathise
with the people.
M. Dupin said that the great bane of France was
the disturbances. 'I he Carlists lost every thing by the
revolution of July--their affections, their Government,
and their interests—for with their Government they
lost their money and their places. It is certain that
they cannot like the revolution or the throne of July,
and that they will attach themselves to whatever tends
to subvert and destroy them. If the Carlists have
lost every thing, the Republicans, particularly at Paris,
have gained nothing. Thus Carlists, Republicans,
and Buonapartists, are the elements of the disturbances.—
The Journals have excited to disturbance. The Nemesis
not only excited, but threatened the Government with it.
The first disturbance, that of October, threatened the
throne, under the pretext that it was to save the Ex.
Ministers. In December the pretext was the same. At
a meeting of Deputies at the house of M. Lafitte, to the
number of 31, it was believed that a plot had been formed
upon that occasion. It is not generally known that a few
(lays after these disturbances an historical scene took
place at the Palais Royal. The dissolution of the Cham-
bers was demanded; and this attack upon the Constitu-
tion was made in such a tone that the President of the
Council replied—" You, then, are the Prince Hohenlohe
of liberty."
M. Lafitte—l declare that I uttered no such words.

M. Dupin—l was told it by M. d'Argout.
The Minister of Commerce—M. Lafitte, I affirm, re-
lated it to me.

M. Lafitte—l repeat my denial.
The Minister of Public Instruction—At the house of the
Commander of the National Guards, I had a conference
with the then President of the Council, in which serious
propositions were made to the King.
M. Lafitte said—" I did not utter the words attributed
to me, but I am ready to relate a conversation, to the
honour of General Lafayette—a conversation which I had
with him, and which I communicated to the King. I
regret that the Minister of Public Instruction was pre-
sent, for otherwise these ccnterences might have been at-
tended with a better result."—(Great agitation.)

M. Dubois begged the Chamber to drop their personal
conversation. _ _

M. Dupin—But there is an historical fact that the
Chamber ought to know. The King replied-4, I will
never perjure myself."
M. Guizot said, that when the Spanish refugees were
at Paris they were supported by the Opposition, and en-
couraged by the Opposition journals.
The President gave notice that M. Mauguin had laid a
proposition upon the table for an inquiry to be instituted.
The President of the Council again demanded that
M. Mauguin should explain himself upon his charge. He
had said that he had proofs in his hands, and now lie
came and demanded an inquiry. M. Mauguin has uttered
mysterious language relative to a mother and a child in
the rue de la Paix. Well, gentlemen, I have a secret to
reveal. An unfortunate woman, compromised by one of
her children, was driven from Italy. She took refuge
with a sick child at Paris, where she was without re-
sources. She applied, through a sole medium, to the
King, saying, " The laws condemn my child and myself
to death. I throw myself upon your generosity. I could
only escape in passing by France. I give you my word,
as soon as my child is better, I will quit the country."
As a Minister I was hound to respect the name of a man
whose statue the King had given orders to be restored in
the Place Vendome. I made known the circumstance to
the King, and succour was sent to her, upon her giving
her word that she would proceed to England. Her pro-
mise was fulfilled. Gentlemen, I did not think it nay
duty to denounce this woman to the tribunals.—(Cheers.)
After expatiating at some length upon the other charges of
M. Mauguin, the Minister concluded by defying him to
prove them.
The Minister of Commerce regretted that the discus-
sion had taken an afflicting character of personality. He
repelled with warmth the charges of M. Alauguin, and
after relating the part which he and the President of the
Counsel took in the events of July, concluded by saying,
" Our duty is to enforce respect to the King and the
Charter, and to wage a deadly war against factions and
the factious."

The discussion upon the charge of M. Mauguin, in
which that gentleman, the President of the Council, the
Keeper of the Seals, and several other Hon. Deputies took
part, was prolonged till nearly seven o'clock, but nothing
particularly new was elicited.
The President announced that two propositions had
been laid upon the table which, with the other, would be
examined in the Committees to-morrow.

In the discussion of the following day, the Chamber
came to the fo!lowing decision :—" The Chamber, satisfied
with the explanations given by the Ministers, and confid-
ding in their solicitude for all which interests the honour
and dignity of France, passed to the order of the day.
Upon a division there appeared in favour of passing
to the order of the day 221, against it 136—majority in
favour of Ministers 85.

CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES, SEPT. 23.

The President took the chair about twelve o'clock.
There were not more than thirty Members present, but by
degrees the Chamber received an accession of numbers.
M. Laurence spoke at great length on the external and in-
ternal affairs of France, condemning the policy of the Mi-
nistry ; and was followed by M. de Tracy and others ;
hut eventually the Chamber passed to the Order of the
Day, which was the discussion of the proposition of M.
Vatout, relative to the electoral lists. The latter Member
requested that his proposition might be discussed after the
Budget, which was agreed to, and the Chamber adjourned.