The Sun.
London, England, 1838-11-10 00:00:00

XCESSIV't BAIL.

---- CASE OF JOHN W ,_,..._____
ILLIAMS, NARRATED BY
'HIMSELF.
4 I was going home with my wife and two children, be-
gee •
be-
borne nine and ten o'clock in the morning, when Blink-
then a Pfassed me, and went into Nicholls' shop. I was
„e
.few yards hehiad him. I put my head in through
inva wiadow, aria Said, ..
laregoY:seopr,
dit4si,.oulabeNicholls, if I loosed any one into
an honest man, and not a scamp, a
-transport ;" and I went away on my. roadd
unto' I.° a 'minute or two Blinkhorne passed me again, an
wh' Inl the step of a door, waiting me to come up.
d`en (reposite (I was in the road), he said, " I'll be
1ei,31 If I don't have you in Montgomery, for what you
ie '.„tisb me." I swore I did not care for him or any man
ablev.at
rsn: odranrikng 7
t-4717attovvo or for Montgomery either. This is every
Passed' ; and I'll tale my oath of it any time. The
linklbe.rne took me to the Hall ; and he
lb, ore that I bad threatened to break his neck or his legs,
Nichol! ' • night could clip him. H. e said this was in
s ship. I asked to call Mr. Nicholls in, but Mr.r
etvt°l.rs would not let me, and told me to find bail to appear
and meeting next Monday. Bill, the hatter,
cut ~,"wen, went my bail in Si. each, and I was loosed
the '1 PaYing three shillings. On the Monday I went tod
iii Magistrates' meeting, at the Lion. Mr. Evors an
te r'L Herbert -were there. Blinkhorne again swore,
shor,tue „same words, and that they were said in. Nicholls'
and i said tb ere were several there when I spoke to him,
aticinfle.di_leavie to go and fetch Nicholls, Mr. Herbert
true Winordgusitl.;'"o. Nicholls then came and swore to the
have told •ou I said. Blinkhorne then said
itusneetkne7 tu,thing abou3't it Nicholls, it was down the
tliekisalter• I came out of the shop. I forgot to tell you
the eh'rne also swore it was me that followed him from
all el' Mr. Drew, the Magistrates' clerk, was writing
horn" e Camel and I think be took down all that Blink-
seest,sw.vire, but lam not sure. Mr. Evors then said I
to fled" d good bail, or go to Montgomery ; the bail I was
offer, was two in 25/. each, and be bound myself in 501. I
ase„le? The same as had bailed me to the Monday, but they
1,30:1u neither swear they were worth 251.,
and I was
bail out to get better bail. Nicholls afterwards agreed to
Lai me' and my brother, and we went up to the Hall, us they
tt 4eft the Lion. When we got thee" Mr. Evors
ioeoal said he should havc two bail for 501., and bind me in
I,L, Nicholls was 'willing, and said he would swear, and
him if
at th.e
vis:-Z_,llk he had I,is oath, that he was worth 501. ; my brother
I,,_.'"u not. 13.11linilk,horne was not there at that time. I
and Blinkhorne came. Mr. Evors asked
Elora I keit resisted at all ? He said I lead not. Mr.:
born"B titon said, " Has he had the RUFFLES on r Blink
„_.
Blink-
then '."-id there was no need, as be had seen. Mr. Evors
tt I, BP•id, `oo your duty, put them on now ;" he put
ftlr ,
o,deun. and
w me. I am' sure Mr. Evors called them
and is Blinkhorne then took bold of the other handcuff,
setb_,}aurdttniel through the town to the lock-up. I !vas never ,
atierni
ecterimultilife, meeting all the people coming out of '
it
off.
lAbout."e put me in the lock-up, and left the cuff,
eight o'clock, I think, be came in and took
4rne into "i 4
, not seem as if was afraid of me, as
In
the n.,0,,,, the tell Once or twice to me in the night.
Illieki,'"l°R about five o'clock, as near as I could guess,
; nto tliorrie andce young Horton (an assistant of Blinkhorne's). 3"°llCi
klihe 11, and said I was to go to Montgomery
eft :ll' e handcuffed me and Horton together, and we
ten ._°u.• When we went to the Cross, I wanted to go and
140411 wife I was going to gaol I was not likely to get
414 t that time. Horton said I should not go. I
Vlke tLn' would have a row, if I must not go and tell her.
II then went to my house, and afterwards to Montgomery.
/e,,,e,n. I came out of the lock-up, I told Blinkhorne 1 wasr
-ton
to or for some tobacco, and he gave me some. He told Hobe-
%aid° Live raa a pint of ale on the road, when I wanted_;
141.kineguurd to give me that, as he had 9s. allowed for
ro.
Committee
gaol. On the second day of the Quarter,
°1 ee.me to the gaol, and I was sent for into thre.
'room. Mr. Lloyd, the gaoler was bye. Mr.
sad who had written that letter to Lord Clive
tell, --e thairman of the Sessions. I said I could notut
lapp:lls I did not know anybody was going to write,b sup-
asked -
bote/.ed it must be some friend. Mr. Evors saidHe
then
had .„" Must be John Williams, of Newtown. •
I 'hoed' m_e if I bad not threatened Blinkhorne. I said that
!, as ti"ot, and I would never say that I had.. He said I
Ile t ,PsY, but I was not ; it was too soon in the morning.
a eiri'ld tile he would take the bail I had offered before if I
then, send them. I said perhaps they would not bail me
pri;' and that I could not see them, being, as L was, in
IZ*, He then gave me a shilling and went away. On.d
lie had last Mr. Evors came again to the gaol, and said
Ile ad corne to loose me out. I said I was very glad.
kol.ltben said, "Jack, you must have threatened
than ' 'erne." I said I never had, and I would die rather.
ko,i, 4Y so. He said Blinkhorne bore me no art-
Slot'i-13:;' Ind that. he (Evors) had taken two bail that be did
kid —nit were worth Si., or five pence, if their debts were
he theandhoped I would not break my bail, as be should
sad(-) talk of the country for taking them. Mr. Nicholls
lifi t—wen were my bail. My wife has since told me that
4lititielorr...7
,called on her several times after the Quarter,
it begged eel. to take two persons to bail me, and
.ie
thatl
1),,' Evors would not be particular who they were.
The
has was put in on Wednesday, and on Thursday night I
14,4° loosed out. Mr. Evors asked me if I had any money.
st,`4l him I had only one halfpenny, and he gave me
fish her shilling. My wife had six shillings from the pa-
atm one
week I was in gaol, and five shillings the other,
te4i'ue bad to borrow from my Club, when I had 2/. to
do bye to Pay my rent and to keep my children ; and I
lioe, elieve• it will be the ruin of me, as I do not know
Rik, t° Make it up. They would not take any money
.4
the bail was put in.
a thl

INNER TO MR. O'CONNELL.

--"' BROUGHAM. —THE
hirb,, , REFORMERS OF
ENGLAND.
eic, '4; pork Standard contains a report of theevepaujabgli.c dinner The
kNtakttti u'Connell, in Kanturk, on Tuesday
went out to meet
Ott ard states, that the procession which miles (the
4:4 4°ll
~,,eurtiin
..,,,r.
va:ncLyLpeaorsntesdaG,sesnixtlran extended four
pare at least 900 vehicles. So delighted'
fat a I,c,e, that Mr. O'Connell along the road, and
the that there
14r 4'l rage biy re the rain's eaalln.tihaegewwhils;sceoizmediaganddodwranwina
Ittna.ettlets. Suet., too, was the anxiety manifested to see the
side, Basintif the carriage, that the Hon. Gentleman came out-
tThg, that he wished to gratify the people. W. Fagan,
is:!,,e
pdrinsiniera took place in the Court House,
or teWei,
x'" g.. Two letters .
.were read, one from Lord
lab i,„ e yressive of his inability to attend in consequence.l
R "utr("Y in h.
tN,an E is eyes ; the other was fromDanlel CTahe-
`lkait,,,,) sq., who pleaded previous engagements.
litttoe4pca.Tilagn
tthheen addressed the meeting., and concluded by
(114 Warr,th. health of the Queen, which was drankwitili,hof Norma his was followed by the health of the :Mar-
it e tiev. ribY ; drank with great cheering.
Aki"" (1-," t°ast " The health of Mr. O'Connell."
C4,11e.1
thence.k;°NxELWLatshen rose, spoke was received with
length,cheers
,14‘_ to viTas obtained, he spamat
ac—onsiderable .
e I do- believe this
te to he Govowing effect. Ge t
1,0, era tally important one fore Irelaaraido.thelrt.—is(tHheeaeri.id)
0,,‘ es be. and the commencement of
every
(It'f. 1 ' begin the
newt otter by calling
Itottle:s.)
~. to rally for onet
Tory ohiliow forclalsrselaanadd.coTeri
140 al ate 0,,,YY hat do the presfen
ll
1181141"
- final
Press of England ~x
Of ti'lli in ; Youth and ageo our caoaudnttrhye?
Times, the
tthheeyormgnai
And
tvli: Tories inernon appellation,
tvh4tl"heY call England, calls us halalvbeneltd-u'sca—te(dOyho'uorli;,)utaAh3—e.
I), o tiles. c
.. the. clergy
.u.da 7
A demon—it dein.olni,
soh-
kit
tee p,oYst_ an him, my irin
youth—
kit this ti,_!, of England think. the e menet (i;oftlorcil)..on,de‘r‘iagaia.—ff
N,,- 'Mae,. ~"'Y party, who think to g
th ",8 Peaole minions, many of whom would be glad to
overs,ti
' te° `n toP h s yeomen, and ride rough-shod
til,,llll)ll4lqtlietnY.ll3-fCltanads?" Will you suffer that ?—(C.r.ies
so.f
e'er
ev,e,n,t, intotteiltn"' the wordfsrlin
wer„ .7 tna,,, . 1 = heart, and form art a r are
constitutionthin.
Blatt nr,thi., , and those who may have once thought they
tqlrY• \'lFl Will find them solid
history
andwq
are come
to
for tett .41: e are beginning that
_is , Iv °llts,(v_'", and what do we find ? Fyll'at we have won
to tilitigiefs a 4 equality in point of law ar.d r.elaigt.iooaus.olibnearmtye.
10 tl,ePrive" avowed that they granted emaneq.) 1 1
ti 'ke • tis of it in nature—they granted it in point of law
,i,„ it aW___ .n .
ItIR tvoetleds...fo.v. point of practice. See how far they have..
llot- Yoo. ,"°W me—it is a political sermon I am preachd
tutewithstamii. am an apostle of d new school of politics, aril
tite
.!ssf.ol
~,,,,.ig my want of talents, I have been an eminent y
let PoopieTtleal man. I have been the first that ever told
11Y,' not Ce,Way to carry their cause without force or vaioer-
lilts.mre p 4 il the blunderbus-s, not by the nightly assassin, . lti 441t1 b, s'nes. No, it is of a nature of a different, and
11;4410 God, of a sacred clAracter ; by the force o }'ourby
h: eohrttatiisation, by' respect to private prop.erty,and
(3t it bY the
I' tterei In4tion of all that is good—so that if we hewonroet
NIII);•---(,, ii__r struggle, at least nobody shall be s
Itith `llation 4',4 , bear,"
.and cheers%) It was by this.
114°14 a bVt we acquired one. point without a crime,
iiißholit ,f,te atil without the spilling of a drop
b' nag (Cheers.
i to.t of Tlee in the presence of man, or a sin, I trust, in the
ftl 3'.., °"•-•-( Hear, hear.) It is this rallying I ant again
of blood,
) What has happened in England
themy
foodL4ti,::llrela
'lle Crtholics were no sooner. emancipated,.
(.41- of v 41 was no sooner poured into the crazy consti-
did 'Ns, .',ingland, than the good portion of the English
ti.,,til'Y ;i''"l bY 115, carried Parliamentary Reform.? But
. t() \ ‘-he-v\e us as good 1 Bill as they got therriseives N. o.
‘riiiiatil -ciovv),, Nar, remember that. , This is a thing I want
No,' rs ,n,'_ a to clench the mall at the other side.-
10 s haii, " 'außhter.) I am preaching and I want disciples
111:ifrriacehilt.tlie Bill we desired. They did not restore the
i 51,_ real the
~, but they endeavoured to ex Jude the Irish peo-
it l':) 1 e iranchise—base and ungrateful theyare.—( Hear,
‘‘, °Nog& ' care not where it is repeated, or what vituperation
t,,,ttil,s o,,°_n_rae, I say the Reformers of Englanhc.leewteoreowbasise atos
4410
~.ti grateful to us.—(Cheers.)
N'iii " good a
I. . A et,Reform Bill for IrAnAnldyaos
hack for the fast fli.i.
pos-
Of h3,-the ' ',Nand things threw us . f the House
vtlt wiek to Or object
,
~,Lotr attachment of the four Kings 0
14'
this day, thei* first of the newdedagtihteatiorano,rthale begin-
h

nittg of the end, I call upon you to rally with me t 9 obtain a
good Reform Bill for Ireland, and arvc.'; with your Coertiott
Bill. Lord Brougham—what aid he do ? fie Was the gi-eat
advocate of the Cgti-cion Nit and do say, so uppantipled
a public man 'never disgraced humanity,—(l-lear, near, hear,
from Mr. Barry)-because his bast ness is in proportion to the
extreme extent of his talents. Many faults exist in his elo-
quence—hat in the transcendant powers of his mind he is not
surpassed. But party views have narrowed his mind.—(Near. )
This is the beginning of his fight with me—let him abuse tare
as Much as he pleases, bat, perhaps, I would give him as good
as he brought—( Loud cheering). Why do I give him this bad
pre-eminence? Becsuse he give up those talents to party which
were bestowed on him for nobler purposes. His political life is
led on by somo ignes fatui—he' is the pilot of a little
cock-boat of his own, greatly ornamented with literature
and talent, with a good deal of sail, but no ballast._
(Cheers and laughter.) Gentlemen, I have mentioned one
of our wants, I now come to another, Corporate Reform. 'Twas
acquired easily for Scotland, and the moment the Bill w-s
passed, they packed it up, and sent it off by the first coach.—
(Laughter.) England has Corporate Reform—and I tell the
Ministers we won't take the one-fiftieth part less than Eng-
land has of Corporate Reform.—(Cheers.) Why don't I ask
for more? Because nEy have not got it. Like the youne,
gentleman who said he would double the lady's fortune by
sharing it with her, I will double their privileges by uniting
with them. Another point on which we have been outraged--
England, with a population of 14,000,000, and a revenue of
40 000,0001., bas no less than Five Hundred Representatives ;
Ireland, with a population of 8,000,000, and a revenue of
6,000,0001., would be entitled to One Hundred and Seventy
Members. I demand One Hundred and Fifty r—l would
take that if I SSW them in a consenting humour—l would in-
dulge them for a while for the rest.—( Hear.) But if they'll
give none, I'll have—. [How many, was either not declared
or not reported]—and no thanks.—(Loud cheers.) Lord
Castlereagh admitted that Ireland ought to have 1081 Mem-
bers. I care not twopence for the half man, but my Lord
Castlereagh afterwards cut off the eight, because he pleased,
and then he cut his own throat. I cannot but speak with
horror of the man who sold for base lucre his native land—
who found her an independent nation, and left her a pitiful
province. Is there no other point on which we come in colli-
sion with England? Did you ever hear of the tithes?—
(Loud cheers.) Is there any man here who heard of that
strange thing called tithes? Let him stand up that I may see
him.—( A gentleman informed Mr. O'Connell that there was
a tithe martyr in the room, and pointed him out.) Three
cheers for him, continued Mr. O'Connell.—(Three loud
cheers were given, responsive to the call.) In England the
majority of the people are Protestants of the Established
Church, and accordingly the Clergy get the tithes; and in
Scotland the majority of the people are Presbyter ians, and
they get them also. In Ireland, where I dined yesterday,
where there were some half-dozen of the Popish Priest.,
called the demons, we calculated in their parishes 60,000
Catholics and 300 Protestants. The Clergy of the majo-
rity
,have nothing, and the 300 Protestants have the emo-
luments belonging to the 60,000. They say to me
" You won't be satisfied."—( A voice, " You won't.")
Indeed then I won't—as the school-boy said, you may say that
with your own sweet mouth. But mind you, I don't want the
tithes for the Catholic Clergy. God forbid. There is blood
upon them. They are cursed by the widow's tears and the
orphan's sighs. Oh I God forbid the Catholic Clergy should
ever take them.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") We struck
off last Session one-fourth of them. The people blame me
for consenting to strike this off.—(" No, no.")—I wish to
strike off the remaining three fourths. It is exactly what
I now mean to do. I don't mean to take the entire charge
of the land—no but to turn it over in lieu of the Grand
Jury Cess, and enable me to give substantial relief to the
poor of Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) Has not the last Bill done
a good deal of that? I do not take it as an instalment. I
passed this Bill, for I was tired of having the poor people
Whiteboys.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) The poor people
can now no longer be hunted for the tithes—for I don't
know whether the gentry will become tithe proctors for the
Parsons..—(Laughter.) They talk to me of the appropriation
clause, and that I did wrong to give it up. What was it ?
It was this—that, in the course of fourteen or fifteen years,
tithes were to be given for education. Why, before half so
long a period, we will extinguish tithes altogether. We will
have the entire of them appropriated for public purposes.—
(Cheers.) With respect to the shortening the duration of
Parliament,'l don't care bow often we go before our consti-
tuents, if we have enough of constituents to keep us from the
rogues.—(Cheers.) Mr. O'Connell then referred to the
exertions made by Feargus O'Connor, by a person styled the
Rev. Mr. Stephens, and a person named Oastler, to induce
the Irish to distrust the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. The
Hon. Gentleman took a review of the history of the kingdom
during the reigns of the five last Sovereigns of the House of
Brunswick. Mr. O'Connell then observed that he had sacri-
ficed offers of individual emolument, for the cause of his
country. One of the highest situations on the Bench was
recently open to him, into which he could retire with wealth
and dignity—but he preferred advocating the interests of his
fellow-men. Mr. O'Connell concluded with this apostophe—
" Arise, Irishmen, for your country—your country demands
you. The English say that you are brutes and demons—show
that they are brutal and demoniacal in this calumny."
The report states that the speaker resumed his seat amid
deafening cheers.