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London, England, 1825-06-18 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS,

•
An Officer from the Court of King's Bench presented, in
pursuance of the Order of the House, Copies of the Affidavits
filed in Court of King's Bench, in the cause of Kenricke v.
Clement and others.

-Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a. Petition from certain
Dissenters against the. Test Laws. Re also presented a petition
from two operative Sawyers, against the re-enactment of the
'Combinations Lows.

Mr. MANSFIELD begged 'to correct .a misrepresentation
which had gone forth this morning, respecting what had fallen
from him last night, when the report of . the. Committee on the
Combination Laws, was laid on the table. The mis-statement
which was, whether. :die Report was
said, that Mr. 'Mansfield didpuntoat gleutesutpiotnotoopritosseßitghhetcoHuornse.
but to
given to the Committee by
proposedo Friend
fu founded
(d
dnl .p
solelyri nWallace), p
uponl e, b
masters. Now he was confident that the Rouse would recol-
lect what he bad said was this--that he did not get up to op-
pose the course proposed ; -but to put a question which appear-
ed to him .to be of very great importance. Be happened to
know that an understanding had gone abroad amongst the
workmen, that the Report of the Committee was grounded up-
on evidence given by masters to the exclusion of that of work-
men.—(Hear!)—He was by no means desirous of making a
complaint; but he hoped that those who had misunder-
stood him, would do him the favour, now to correct the mis-
statement.
On the motion of Mr. PEEL, the University Police Bill
,passed through a committee.—Report received to-morrow.
Mr. PEEL moved that a clause be added to_the frivolous
Writs of Erior Bill. The effect of that Bill would be to put an
end to the fees of several officers in the different, courts of the
country. Ile therefore -intended to move to bring up a clause
authorizing the Crown to appoint Commissioners to report on
the amount of tees reefived, and to award to the present holders
a just compensation for them during the term of their natural
lives; •

Lard CLIVE did not rise to Oblect to the clause, but to men-
tior the case of an non. Friend of his (ill r., Kenyon), the se-
cond son of the late. Lord Ktnyon, who would be utterly de-
prived of the fees from which he derived his income by the ope-
ration ofthepresent measure. ,

, • •
Mr. P1A.,14 said, that public 'reforms ought certain3y not to
interfere with the rights of individuals, but comp ensation mist
be given with a due regard to the interests of the public. If the
feis to be lost were legal tees, he was
.perfectly
ready to allow
such compensation as the CoMmissioners under the •
circulTl.•
stances should think fairly due.
Lord OLIVE said that the. fees has been taken for the last
forty years.
Mr. AB ERCROM BY gave great credit to toe. Right am.
Secretary for the.measures.which he hui just introduced. The
office held by Mr. Kenyon was a c,cinplete sinecure and a gross
abuse; and there was no reason for continuing to himsuch
emolument. He entreated the House to look carefully and ho-
nourably to the case, and whereier a fair claim to compensation
arose, in God's name let it be given..
Mr. TREMA I ti f.; said a few
.words; which were inaudible in
the gallery.
After a few words from Mr.' bocKNART LOW
ca:ArT, the House went into the Comtnittee,,when, on the inc.
tion of Mr. PEEL, a resolution WAS agreed to, for the compen-
sation of certain officers in consequence of the bill for the pre-
vention of abuses from writs of error. The House was then re-
sinned. • •
Mr. HUM E gave notice for Tuesday next of a motion for,
returns of the amount and distribution of the half-pay of the
Army.

THE JUDGES' BILLS.
On the motion of the CHANCELLUk of the EXCITE:

• Mr. HOBHOUSE entirely concurred in every thing which
had fallen from his Hon. and Learned FrientlS who had preced,
ed him upon the propriety of these augmentations, which were
carried to'an extent beyond all reasonable endurance. Why
should the Judges be paid more than the Secretaries of. State ?
He was one of those who thought that the dignity of a Judge
was not dependent upon the ainount of his salary. Nor could
•he see the propriety of stimulating the Judges to move out of
their present quiet circle of society, and remove their places of
residence from the spot in which they were now generally accus-
- tomed•to have them, and rear, the younger branches of their
families at the west end of the town. Besides, lie had to com-
plain that several useless offices were still 'maintainedabout these
courts. Among these were the offides of clerk of the papers, and
the system of the filacer's office. And upon the latter he would
ask, whether, While the abolition of the office had7been pend-
ing, the Chief JustiCe of the CoMmon Pleas did not appoint his
son to be • a filacer, tho Ugh the office was worth,only 1501. a-
year ? (The Chancellor of the Exchequer.—" No, the appoint-
meat was before this • was pending.")--allut the reason he
alluded to these Offices was to Show, that the 'Judges had
still means of indemnifying theniselves, by appointments
that 'remained, for inadequate salaries", and which they would
naturally. confer upon their families. He_ also thought the
bill defective as to' the deputies, who were still to be appointed,
under certain circumstances, by the Judges. A number of fees
likewise remained that ought to he abolished. The alienation
office was also perfectly useless ; and he should like to know what
connexion there was between its duties and those of the right
Hon. Secretary of State for Foreign Anirs P--(.11r. Canning,
in a low tone of iwice, said, as we understood, that there was
no•conneedon between the twO'offires ; and that he had held
the one long before he • was Secretary of State.)—lle thought
that there must be some mistake in the, connection of the two
offices. - At all events, so decidedly opposed was he to the pro,
move, as
wan ar:eel:l74lr::
tplhlsi6tedti
liaecurtsge:amolas
eenrnlivieut:,ci augmentation,
jdiaeuctrratietestma)slb..eoaalannrweo.tdtyttuoleecrmrescsioo:ift:ron differents 5o Ipo.l
ibtito,faji;
entirely
extraordinary his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr: Brougham)
had not adverted —he meant•the principle of making the judges
immoveable. Upon that point he. Nripuld, if be 'Were allowed,
make out a case which would put- 'an end to -the propriety of
translating judges from inferior to higher skuations on the
bench. They had heard of alid had seen political judges_not,
indeed,' at the present moment, Tor the .titnes'did not afford the
opportunity of witnessing 'such exhibitions. SO determined Was
he to assert the principle that judges ought to be itinnoveable,
that he woohl make-a motion tbr, its inrroduction, by.;:
rator),paragraph in the preamble of the ism, or by a corollary
clause, after his amendment for reducing thy salaries budre.-
ceived the .sente'of the House.•- •

prolVit,ro .r
tNi 0
r).•• CbieltLwyekin Bthr.L;
tallt hsgalltai
rthisiLtst•
t i thereo)
ewraestisrt4 aaikironeweatwatondteresees...
Of the judges, which
.rnight have the effect of intlueing‘men to
cling to ofEce at a time of life when they weie unfit for its du-
ties. He tad himsolf seen, judges, on the' bench who were la_
deafnessb olu.trhi etigc tar
itnnAdd erpeN
cte,.‘lvEiltol
Inc,
oct the disqualifying
o f the
E xctiol ti.n:
QplLa
Ti III: srt O.: oldd, age,tii
that
were he, disposed,•'he could not now increase the amount of the
retired allowances, although it was competent fOr them-
duce it. Ile still contended for the propriety of. the scale that
was arranged in the Bill, and also that it was calculated to in_
duce persons of fit qualifications to undertake judicial offices at
a titre of life, when they, were best calculated to perforin their
dul,tlit.''Sveitrhjeezt.ffiraciOenNeYS.LOW said, that he personally
efficiency with which the judicial :business was performed by
the oldest Judges on the bench). who were neither weak - nor
_feeble. .He defencled-• the continuance of some of- the-office,
which the Hon. illember for Westminster had disparaged, and
also the practice of enabling the Crown to translate Judges_
Some of the best Judges who had ever adorned the bench had
been raised from PUirile Judges to the chief seats. Chief Justice

Wilmot was so raised, and even offered theseale. So was in
. late times Chief' Bamn Thompson. • - .•• •
• • Mr. N. CA t.VERT disowned the intention 'as:tying any
• :thing at.all invidious to the Judges now presiding. - • '
. Ala., R.... 111 A R.TI N had himself been engaged In collecting
• .public opinions upon this subject, and couldsafely•deciare that
it was universally in favour of an increase of salary to the
Judges, by.reesteh of the smallness of their-remunerations.—
But, without .such evidence, he must have come to the same
.conclusion when lie found that men of the first talent could not
be prevailed upon to accept the office of Puisne Judge!' He
called upon the 'lion. Member for Westminster to say, if it were'
not notorious that men of the first talents declined it'? ' • '
The Bill was there read a third time. -- • ' '
Mr. HOBH OUSE, on the question for its -pacing, moved
that the sum be 50001. instead of 5,501., Which wes eonsidered
by every leading man in the profession as too large • a salary.--
(" Name,- dame," front Mr. It. Martin—cried of" Order,"
from earioas parts•of the /louse.) •
- ;\.lr. BROIRJH A M seconded the motion. Ile had never
known the office refused at 5,00.01. a year salary ; nay, he bed
never known .it refused at 4,0091. There was setae. tall o(
going through the other great offices with •the same augments
/ions. He was determined to- resist such a proposal' at every.
step. He might fail ; it was more than•probable that he would
tail: but if, against sense, and justice, and good principle, he
should be defeated, then he would avonce move a proportion-
ate increase of nay In the.soldiers. - - • - •
- - LordJ. RUSSELL said, that as the office with the former
salary • had never been declined
.within the recollection of his
Hon. and Learned Friend, there was no occasion 'to raise it on
the supposition of •wanting able men to fill it, which was a fear
purely theoretical. J
Mr. MONCK would have no objection to the salaries how
proposed, if accompanied with an. assurance that the nuisee
judges should not he promoted.
The House divided—
For passing the Bill .- - -
- For the amendment ' - ' - -
Majority . - - . -
SUPPLY.—(SIR it WILSON%)
- On the motion for' the SPEAKE a. quitting the chair to go into
the Committee,
Mr. MIERCROMBY rose.. It was perfectly consistent-with
the forms ate l precedents of that House, for any Member to
take the opportunity of the Motion on which the Speaker was
to leave the chair previously he a Committee of Supply, to state
any matter, which -being in the character or having the appear-
ance of a grievance, might still not be deemed worthy of the
formalities of a specific motion. lie acknowledged that every
apology was due front him, for attempting to originate a discus-
sion upon the:subject to which 'he now invited their attention.
The subject was, that (We Member Of the House, a representative
-he might say an Ornament of the metropolis, and one upon
whom the highest honours lied been lavished by foreign• Princes.
The House would See by this time, that lib meant his gallant
friend the Member for Southwark. Ile wished .to guard
against any misapprehension. - lie was riot about to • seiy
any thing which could tend ever so remotely to call in quesa.
tion the conduct of;thes Coinina.biler-in. i•;hief... lie would ba-
the last man- in the House to Originate any discussion width
i could have that tendency ; non was it his intention to call iii
1 question the exercise of the prerogative of the Crown in rela..,
6:6 to the dismissal of hie Gallant }hind.. .They might differ
1 I very materially upon the questions of prerbgetive, but he hoped •
4 that those. difference would, not be elloWed
,any place in this
dismission, Nor did lie isamplain of the opinions formerly ex-
pressed by '.'an'y . gentle Man 'against his lion.. and Gallant.
'Friend, ninch.less did he ask foaany revision.or retraction of
I such opinions; His. object. was to . persuade the House to' do
honour to itself by expreseing its sympathy for one whose emi-
nent.setvices anti perSonal- wonle whosd noble and geneteus •
. feelings had. endeared him to all wile knew him, including a
large proportion of that House. If, in the passages. of his el es
which had been in the eye of the country and in the face Of hit
enemies, some errors had• been observed, even his eneniiee•
i would admit that those errors resulted front the excess of a gee
) litmus and gallant and ardent spirit, the transports of which
1 merely wanted More Coritroul.. His military career of ,29 years'
was suddenly interrupted by -a decree, which was not preceded- •
by any court-martial. Looking .et his whole career, his emi,
' tient qualities, his honourable and useful services, and his long-•"
life, he would 'ask had not his.punishment been more •
rthan enough ? Was lie less cherished by•his.constituents -........-
Was he less esteemed by_ the. profession ? . Was the eerier. •
i which best suited.. his gallant spirit to be for ever closed ? • 'lce .'•
was dismissed without the sentence of a conrhenartial. Ti.. .'
..
!-House, being movederefused to. investigate his case. 111 an v• '
• who noir heard hint could. witness to the temper and moderea:
i tints -with which hiS Gallant Friend conducted himself on that' : )4'
Occasion. - It had been a source of gratification sial.pride to his -•'''
friends who then supported- him ever since. • Many who voted' --s••
against hitnlrom a sense .of public ditty, were ready to express's ''• -
their kindly feelings towards him, and their admiration at his •'',- •'
conduct in that trying, peeiodh Considering the age of the ii,- , ••ee
dividual, and that this was probably.the last Session'of the PE.: -,-* •-
liament, he wished to appeal to the
House, and • especiallYeta•
1 those Members who were now engaged in the profession of his gat..;'
lant friend, for some declaration of their kindness towards hiM."
.• •
He saw about-him some.of the companions in arms of'his Hai, '-
and Gallant Friend—some' who had shared in common wits- 't.. s
him his trials and.his dangers.. To them lie appealed, it; upaa .- s
the late promotion, his Hon. and Gallant Friend bad been it, '
stored to eit that situation' which he had attained by his brilhafit ,:eh •
and glorious services, would not the army have been gratified-Le ••- -,
would not his brother officers have been delighted ? Ile, 4, eh-
stained fromfpartivilatiiing • the brilliant feats in which fill' Zion. and and Gallant Friend had been engaged. ' Jts any testimonys•-t
which he could give, he ought, to, warn the House that he gave ~.
it in the spirit ore warm and ardent frientiship-whicielle felt-.":'
' for his lion. Friend. Hee only wished the house -to•liettiPts '
the opinion of those who new and 'could rightly 'appreciate %Ks- .-, ..
character and services of his Ham and ' Gallant Friend. -If :tth...
...
expression Of, that opinion should be euchas he confidently aOZ.:-...",
ticipatetl, then
.he kneW the effect Which it would have .iii'ics '.,. .
• representation to the, ptoper quarter. • He wished nOhtobe .... .
mistinderstOOll.- He was not.. suggesting to any' Al t-tib-er the
performance ef sine thing which would not as re:4(l4.llring
' from.the.exerciise-O-f:diefteown free will—much less. ti id he ..siek ' ''
by this to shackle the exercise Of those powers which were vested •: ..„
with the Crbwn and .its Ministers.; but he spoke in referetieeto .
the kno-wn kindhess of ei benign Sovereign, and his b-enefolCalt • I.*
intentions to •those who had faithfully andzealousl v served hine.
Such an act of grace eine! fevour. 34 that to which he alludes]; • ••••
would' be most grateful to the Douse, highly satiSfaetory to tlie ' '‘‘
intt
hoo t.entosa.profession,e(frtitiniac.etit:rantt.ivit
niai.oagitiun.ist
(itilw"o.riadfzetnyhoipoianlaitv:ty,eteoi,reve
nueowrdifeiaetirriagiev,nni
qoLuiticartisoihnano
cglnglistt
oics.iff..ioo:arlri:enfictneic oarryttiturFtiyosieir.isrtri;;•i,.,,,,i,t.::,_
to
lizliic.oey,.:b:
ii
t•;443,-:,ists.:
.. •
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c.. 4 c. •
If these suggestions-should lead to the rentoration ..,'lts Gefles t '
Friend, it- would make him. happy to think that es lire's teals '"
the humble instrument for bringing about that ebitseh-stiaiehl • • , •
and ' fervent cheers accompanied the speech,- iii.ett.-.,,,e.in bleskj. -'''7"
°utak the Hon.-Gentleman sat downs -.• : •-• : se • - '
es
Mr. LITTLETON said, that the same motiv6 svhfclilie,t. . 7'. -::
formerlY 'Made him withhold his assent to aniotien foritilinik--r
upon the dismissal of hie gallant friend, now induced liters to ek, .
press the gratification given him by the sentiments of the Ile& : ''..a..'',
'
• and Learned Gentleman.. `.Co excite discussion open the forrr .' e`f•' •
..-
errors
_of his gallant friend would be bad taste and-bad &elle ''',''
-in him. -.However they might have demanded atterilien, Thee. °-
w ere now forgotten. No other recollections werestereed'h-tit.7. ‘: '
-the services of his gallant friend. His restorationwehiti he in.
..i'i.'
'ceived with acclamations by the whole country,' ahtl'asotiler lie' ''.. '
felt almdst as .a personal obligation by every Member of ils'e; '' •
Houk. - •
Mr. WODEHOUSE hailed this as a most weleoMe pities '', ••••
don. It was the more commendable, because4t-dittated 'no ' '
particular course to the til ov em m ent. Looking echlthehlOve•' -
;reign, anti those in the probable line of spccessions it vitas dear: • e '
'that acts of benevolence, of oblivion, of grace anditaimis, were` •
Most 'Congenial to them
-all. He hoped for the best result from
the expression of their opinions by the Honse, assthey were all
agreed that the honou'rable and gallant suhject•of the diskissidft
Was
.a Man of a peculiarly.generons and noble- mind,: which \Vie'
•
evinced in'all the connexions of life. -, . . • '•,' • .- - •'' ••: ' • '•
'hoed W. B.ENTINCK, if asked his opinion, or thaetit elle •
, . .
profession, he would say, that the actions of do officer were ltdp'.: ' '
posed eo have superior lustre. There was hardly an offiCer Who-
had been engaged in more various services.• Ile was nifiriiiV"
apologizing for 'the errors Of Sir Rtibert Wilson :- he approVett', • -
of the exercise Of the pretiagatiee. in that. case. He wisfsed • *
rather to appeal to the generosity- Odle House, and to the bide- 1
volent recollection of. his eereicesin the Mind of his 'Sovereign.'
( H-eiti';'' heir- I 5 -
Mr.• CALVERT bore testimony to the excellent conduct of
his colleague in the representation, leaving his military Ch-
aracter to those who could do it morejustice.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY wished •to add hie tribute to the gene-

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CUSTOMS' CONSOLIDATION BILL.

.x 4 forting of the House. He hail long known the Hon. • and
f:JL:th.at Officer intimately, and could declare that he had the
peaten regard to the honour of his country in all his under-
takings. His errors were momentary, and were quite eclipsed
ty "m:-. recollection of his great and brilliant services. His resto-
fidlOTl would be in unison with the sentiments of the country,'
an 6 if he regained his station, he would impart a lustre to the
profession which he could never tarnish.
R. FERGUSSON had the honour of a professional ac-
eu4intanee with him, having served with him on many ocea-
7sacc. No male existed who more invariably attracted the re-
spect and honour of the profession. His restoration to the ger-
vic,...t.o which he. gloriously contributed would be hailed by the
whelp army as much agt it would gratify the House. Looking
aCfC4I the House, he saw a Gallant Member who must be the
extention„ if any were admitted, to the superiority of Sir Bobert
%it'iloon. That Hon. and Gallant Gentleman was one of the
highest military authorities known. It would be highly
gratifying to the House to hear the opinion of that Gallant
Officer upon theprofessional character and services of his Gallant

friend. •
fir GEORGE MURRAY did not rise in consequence of
the sqggestion of his Gallant Friend who had just sat down,
tut from a conviction, with respect to Sir Robert Wilson, that
it was impossible to know any tuan whose qualities were better
salted to the profession of which he had. been before so bright
an ;:rnament. It would rejoice him to see that office restored.
And if, when that were done, he could only keep his talents
employed in the proper way, he would greatly benefit the pro-
fession. He took the same opportunity of observing, that the
power which dismissed the Gallant officer must, in his opinion,
termed in the Crown for the due and proper controul of the
Arm.
Mr.y MANSELL said, that the gallant officer had commit-
ted errors; but he had been sufficiently punished for them. No
greater favour could be done to the House than to restore him
to his rank.

Mr. W. LAMB spoke to the same effect, and said that
at was high time that the errors of the gallant officer were for-
gotten.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that only one opinion seemed to
actaate all part: ;s. He wished to add his full and complete tes-
tlmony to the character given of his gallant friend, in regard to
Ais conduct on a former very trying occasion. He was the pro-
fessional adviser and friend of the gallant officer, and he had
‘he fullest and most positive knowledge for. inducing him to
say that the utmost exertion of human forbearance was mani-
fes:ed by his hon. and gallant friend. He (Mr. B.) had seen
-t*.e documents in his possession, which, perhaps, no one be-
czles his gallant friend could have -refrained from publishing
one word of thern did his honourable and gallant friend
disulge, notwithstanding the aggravating situation in which he
wa placed.
The Committee of Supply was then postponed till Monday
next. _

Upon the motion of Mr. GELATTAIT, the second reading
of the 'lrish Poor Relief Bill was postponed to this day three
winnths.

Mr. HUSKISSON having moved the Order of the Day on
the further consideration of the report on this Billoteveral clauses
were pro forma brought up; after which the House resolved
itself Into a Committee.
Mr. H LTSKISSON begged to remind the Committee, that
early in the course of the present-session, on the 25th March
last, he had had the honour of submitting to their consideration
a variety of resolutions, tending ,to effect very important
changes in our system of duties andtustens, and applyingnot
only to the manufactures of this country,-but to manufactured
articles imported from foreign: States.. _He-had, on that occa-
sion, entered at great length into a statement of the grounds
upon which it was proposed that these alterations should be in-
troduced into our commercial policy ; and they were- formally
recommended in the resolutions brought in. At the same time,
in effecting such extensive alterations in a system of duties and
customs that had existed through se long a succession of years,
he had felt most desirous of availing himself of all the light
and experience that could aid him in so arduous an undertak-
ing ; and he had accordingly invited the suggestions and ob-
servations of all practicable and intelligent men who might be
willing to afford him the benefit of their counsel and informa-
tion. He could assure the Committee that that invitation was
very generally nceepted, and that his propoeal was not un-
heard ; for no person, he believed, who had filled his situation
had ever become engaged in a more extensive correspondence
than himself, or had received:more numerous deputations, or
bad been-a party at. more conferences than he had received
and met at Board 'of Trade since those alterations-were
titst announced to Parlimnent.—(A laugh.)—The Committee
wenld not be surprised to hear this, because it must be
evident that many individuals, and many separate interests
wouLl be seriously affected, or would consider themselves
to be so at any rate by the operation of such charges.—
In mentioning these facts, he did-not at all desire to disparage
- pettier the motives or the proceedings of those individuals,
Gr to discourage any other Honourable Gentleman who might
-lieresfter till the post which he now occupied from pursuing a
shitilar course of action. His object was rather to apologize to
tie Committee for now again adverting to the measures in
question ; and especially in the view of stating, that however
great itriglit be his desire to attend to the representations of
every individual who might wish to he heard, in regard to any
of these alterations, he was sure that it had not always happen-
ed t!tat he could follow his own wishes by complying with such
applications, But if he had in any case seemed to he in atten-
tive. to any body, it was only because it was merely impossible,
amidst- the claims of en many interests, to attend particularly to
the elm of every individual.--(llear !)—And further, he did
not feel it necessary where he was so called upon, in reference
to points and questions on which he had already largely and
explicitly explained- -himself, to enter upon such explanations
agaoi hear !)-1-laeing now, therefore,
.heard, as he
'ought aseueneeall that could be said upon the subject of those
'Operations be all persons interested in their operation ; and not
only allethat .catald he said by such interested parties, but all the
stiggestiolonproposels,and animadversions which had been made
b those other parties who had aecepted his invitation—(a
laugh),—he nowcarae to indicate to the'Committee how far
he had subsequently modified those resolutions which he had
introduced-on the termer evening. The modifications which he
had now to suggest were intended still further to extend and
- establish a more sound and salutary policy than had hitherto
prevailed with respect to our foreign commerce, and in regard
to the encouragement of our manufactures and the general
tisde of the country. In looking at the period of time which
had been occupied in considering these changes and modifica-
tions, the Committee would do him the justice to remember,
that it was highly expedient and essential that important altera-
tions in a system so vast and complex as that of our' commercial
revenue should not be inconsiderately or precipitatelyeulopted.
The numerous propositions that bad been submitted to him in
this respect by the many patties he had alluded to, he had re-
.ccived aid reviewed with peat jealousy. The alterations he had
propoweejed to the Cortunatee in. the beginning of the Session.,
werelotinded upon the best inforenatioti he could obtain, and
the most mature deliberation he could bestow upon it. At the
• Marie time he had felt then, and .sioce, that it became him to
study other statements, and to get. information from all quarters,
-.but he might add (as we undetstoodt, in regard to some of the
parties by whom it had been contributed, that there Was in some.
matances, as between himself and them, an issue of statements
as well as an issue-of expediency.—(Hear !)—Now, in the most
extensive.branchea of. our,fiereign manufactures anti commerce
he had been able, upon, the result of all the increased know-
ledge that he had arrived at with respect of them; since he first
proposed the alteration of duties in question, to adhere to his
original resolu does. In the great arti ele of all, for example, cotton
goads, be did not now mein to propose any, alteration front the
terms upon which it was already lett., namely, of reducing the
old duty to an ad adorers-one of 10 per cent. Sheef all duties
upon wnollentohe'propotted -equally to -adhere oo the limit he
had already had elle. honour of suggesting—a duty of 15 per
cent. ; and, indeed, he thought upon the whole that 15 per
c.ent. would not be found by the parties who felt most interested
in the subject, ate inadequate protection. In like manner, the
(hides upon all metallic eubstentes would remain unaltered,
excepting in the.single article of lead. After much inquiry con-
crewing the variable price of that metal, which was so essential
in Rainy branches' of dottestic improvement in this country—es
in building, ft*
,example, he was prepared to propose the
.re-
duetion of the duty stilllower than he had put it in the scale of
alterations already submitted to the Committee:. In the eaten-
. sive article of earthenware, he proposed to retain the duties On
the footing already recommended. But in the duties;upon some
other branches of our manufactures that he would mine, he had
—4,ut not without considerable regret -and relactance—deemed
it-necessary to intreduee some modifications. There were some
branches of our linen-manufactures on which he lead origin-

any proposed an ad valorem defy of 25 pet: cent.; but upon
viitich, after having since heard the evidence and representations
oral/ the parties who had been examined before the Board of
Trade upon the subject, ha was now disposed to thinkit might be
expedient to adopt a different mode of levying the duty. Instead
oflevying an ad valorem duty, he thought it would be expedient
to change it for another, considering that it.was proper to avoid
imposing a duty of the former kind where it could be avoided,-
and to substitute, in this-case, such a one, as on the best com-
parison that could
,be made between
prices abroad end prices at
home, might seem adequate to thedue -protection of our own
_trade.—(Bear!)—Now the gradual reduction of such a duty,
in a certain period of time, to the amount of that ad valorem
duty he twi forinerly proposed, would either tend to admit the
foreign manufactures in greater supply; or cause the British
manufacturer, by imposing upon hint a necessity' for increased
industry and attention to his bushiest', 10 to reduce the price of
his goods as to he ambled successfully to meet the foreign ma-
w* facturer.--( Hear, hear !)—There were several circumstances
, connected with this particular manfacture that were necessary

to be taken into consideration—euch as that in Ireland it was
conducted by manual labour alone, he might say, without the
intervention of any machinery. In respect of linens, therefore,
it might be described as a competition . between labour and la-.
hour that must subsist between those which were made at home
and those which were manufactured abroad. But again, with
regard to Ireland, the interests of which every Hon. Gentle-
man must look to with peculiar anxiety and favour, it was.to
be observed that a great change was effecting in her linen-ma-
nufacture, for machinery was now rapidly introducing • itself
into that branch of her trade, and a great proportion of capital
was coming gradually into circulation in that country ; and had
the foreign manufacture been admitted at the lovier duty which
he (Mr. Huskisson) had originally proposed, it was feared that
great difficulty and many impediments might have opposed
themselves to the progress of the improving commerce; the
consequence of which would, probably, have been that, los-
ing its present advantages, the Irish linen trade might never
have been able to meet its foreign competitors ; that this
manufacture would not only not have arrived, upon any fa-
vourable terms in other markets, but might have been lost to
Ireland altogether.—(Hear, hear !)—The Committee would
see the difficulty in which any person must stand who was
in his (Mr. Ifuskisson's) situation. If, in the calculation
of a certain revenue, a slight error happened to be committed in
the original statement, and the produce was discovered to be
proportionably affected or altered, nothing in the world could
be more easy than to correct such an error ; and the pub::: ser-
vice would be sensible of little or no inconvenience from the
occurrence of such a mistake. But if, in the apportionment of
duties, or the regulations of trade, wherein the interest of so
many thousands were involved, such errors should happen to
creep into the measures of the Government, the country would
long have to brood over the serious consequences that must
ensue. It seemed to him, however, that by the adoption of a
scale of duties on linens, to be.lowered in the course of eight
years frOm their present amount to the point he had formerly
fixed, the Committee would not be discouraging the capital
now engaged in that branch of our national industry, but it
wutild be enabling the, home manufacture to rival, in a short
period, the foreign, in the foreign market. If he (Mr.. Hus-
isson) had made himself understood, it would appear to the
Committee that he produced no modifications in respect to the
principal branches of our commerce, on the altered duties he
had suggested, with the few exceptions he had named. The
new scale of duties on foreign linens was, at present, such as
might effect the purpose he had in view, by providing for our ,
home manufacture adequate protection, and nothing beyond
adequate protection; and by enabling it to meet a similar ma-
nufacture in foreign markets, is the same way as our woollens
and cottons would now do. In another branch of our trade, he
had thought proper to suggest a further alteration of duty.—
On the article of glass, he had originally proposed a slight ad
valorem duty ; but this was, also, one of the articles upon which
he had experienced considerable difficulty ; and for this reason,
glass was subject to a very heavy excise. Gentlemen acquainted
with the history of the revenue must be aware, that the excise
duty imposed on any article was not which increased, in any
material degree, the amount of charge or cost to the manufac-
turer ofsuch article ; but it was imposed usually on the manu-
facture, which persons were stationed on the spot to watch.—
On the article of glass, therefore, he felt himself obliged to
propose a new alteration of duty, so as to make that duty
of a very considerably less amount than at present. This
alteration would have the effect, he thought, of alternately
improving the manufacture—as in the case of the linens
duty—and of greatly reducing its cost. A similar alteration
he should propose in the duty on paper. That manufacture
was also subject to excise duties; and he would venture to say
that.the projected alteration would conduce very materially to
the encouragement of the manufacture. There were some
circumstances that operated materially ore the manufacture
and price of foreign paper; and the most important of these
was, that in some cases the exportation to this country of
the raw material was virtually prohibited. For example, the
exportation of rags was entirely prohibited by the revenue
laws of France and of the Netherlands. The consequence
was, that its exportation being forbidden, the article was ma-
nufactured in those countries below that fair natural price which
it would obtain in almost any other parts of the world.
From the depreciation of the value of the raw.material, they
could manufacture paper more cheaply .than almost any other
countries ; and from the restraints imposed on the exportation
of that material, we manufactured it, perhaps, dearer than any
other people. These considerations had induced them eo pro-
pose a new scale of duty on paper. Another article.to.be noticed
was the importation of books. He had left the Bill as.he found
it in respect of what books might be imported into this country.
They were strchtas there existed no copyright in here. No books
could be imported that were of a contrary description; though
individuals were not prevented from bringing them into this
country, if they were not for any purposes of sale, but for their
own private use. But he thought it would not be prejudicial
to the boot:selling interest in this country, it; instead of continu-
ing the very heavy duty at present payable on imported books
which was 61. 10s. (per cwt. we believe) on books of all descrip-
tions, he named a lower one ; and he had therefore determined
to reduce it to IL This duty operated, at present, upon those
books, in fact, which formed the bulk of almost every library ;
and the reduction, therefore, might tend, in no inconsiderable
degree, to the beneficial consequences of advancing the cause of
literature, and of extending the general diffusion of knowledge.
—(Wear !)—With respect to other books, upon which the pre-
sent duty was 71.. he had lowered it to 51., and he meant to ex-
tend the same scale to. manuscripts imported. Not to weary
the Committee, by again travellint through other details,
many of which he had largely entered into on the occa-
sion of submitting his resolutions to them on the 25th of
March last, lie would pass over altogether a great variety of.
articles, comprising amongst others the raw materials of seve-
ral manufactures ; which he had also made the subjects of si-
milar alterations of duty. On flax and tallow he proposed- to
effect a still further reduction. In like manner, as the schedule
now stood, it would be seen that he had proposed to lower the
duties on barilla by a scale of gradual reduction ; but he had
since seen the parties principally interested in its importation ;
and understanding front them, that when about two years ago
some alteration was made in those duties, it was understood
that no further change would be made in them for five years
after that period', lie should now suggest that the proposed fur-
ther reduction of those duties should take effect from the period
at which those live years would have expired. He meant, that
to the expiration of that period they should fall back to the
' same rate of duty that Was settled two years since; but after
the five years had elapsed, the present system of reduced
duty was to be acted on. Other duties that it was highly ma-
terial to the public convenience to alter were those on timber.—
(Hear, hear !)—After many years research and experiment,
it had been .found impossible to prevent the duties on tim-
ber from being evaded; but it had become absolutely ne-
cessary now to obviate what he would not call a freud
exactly, but what was a very commonly practised deception,
owing to the state of the duty on planks. The timber-duty
upon every 1,050 cubic feet was 555. ; upon every 125 planks,
the duty was 41. Now, people had lately contrived to cut the
planks of such a size and thickness, that one of them, though
it could not be measured as solid timber, would afterwards
yield ninny planks; a plank of this thickness, therefore, would
only pay a duty of Ms. Bd. Perhaps; which was to all intents
and purposes, as to the duty, solid timber.—(H ear, hear 1)
A practice so evasive could not but be extremely prejudicial
to the fair trader ; and he should therefore propose such an
alteration of the scale as would bring planks of these large di-
mensions within the description of solid timber. The' duties
on the timber as of England and Ireland would be less in their
present condition. Not only did the revenue buffer by the
practice he had just spoken of, but the demand for . British
shipping usually freighted home for the transport of plank
timber was proportionably decreased thereby. He was anxious
to reduce the duties upon raw materials used in our nue.nu-
factures, particularly dyeing materials, as low as possible.—
(Hear 1.)-In the same way, and with s view to the encourage-
ment of our smaller 'colonists in the West Indies, he was de-
sirous to.assist the i,mpurtetion.of all the niinor articles of We't
Indian produce. Upon revising the alterations suggested in
a the resolutions which he had formerly submitted, lie had added
a great many articles that entered into our trade or our menu-
factures. Among the important ones was a reduction on the
duty of ships built in the colonies, if broken up here. By a
strange oversight of the law, such ships were subject to a duty
of not less than 50 per cent., if broken up in this country.—
This enormously heavy duty was the cause that a very large
and unwieldy ship, that had been built at Canada, and had
arrived, some time since in the port of London, was not broken
up here as was intended, but was sent back to Canada. So
that to impolitic duty, entirely; it was owing that she was
I not broken to pieces in this port. That duty lie proposed to
reduCe to 15 per cent.—(Hear, hear!)—hie was aware that to
some Gentlemen these details possessed but very little interest.
They were, however, of the unnost importahce as connected
with tile commerce and opulence of the country, and the im-
provement of its resources. At the present moment they
were particularly important ; for sure he was, that if that
system of combination which now existed in the king-
dom.. could not be repressed by the interposition of the
Legislature, it must be repressed by tine additional' fa-
cilities; given to the introduction of toreiga manufactures.
it could not be tolerated that the people of this country should
be exposed to the difficulties and mconveniencies that must
always follow on any restrain tin imposed on the freedom of labour.
—(Hcer !)—He for one should be fully prepared to say, that if
the ship wrigts of England, for example, would not act in such a
manlier as to leave the employment.of capital free and
ins-
shackled in ship-hulling in England—if they. would not leave
, the induetrieu* artificers engaged.in that. branch of trade free
to pursue their own occupation on their owe, terms—it could
only remain to the merchants to employ foreign-built shipping.
On the same principle he was prepared to contend, that it' our

own seamen, listening to misguided men, refused to permit
English mariners to engage in the tuerchent service, the only
alternative for the latter would be .of necessity to employ
foreign seamen. After exhorting the artificers generally to
renounce every thing like combination, which he shewed would
only, 'by fettering the employment of capital, terminate in
their own ruin, the Right Honourable Gentleman concluded
by remarking upon the necessity of doing away, wherever it
was practicable, with the present system of protecting duties.
=To prove its mischievous effect he would only instance it in
a single article of very general consumption—pepper. The
duty on that article was about five hundred per Cent.
on the value—an enormous disproportion that must affect
either a diminished consumption or be an incentive to smug-
gling. The original cost of this article was about sd. per lb.--
The whole consumption of the united kingdom was not more
than 1,200,0001 b. a year, which did not exceed a proportion of
about an ounce and a quarter to every individual of our popu-
lation. This duty he would reduce from 2s. .6d. per lb. to Is.
per lb. This► arrangement, he should hope, would rather en-
courage the consumption,.of an article of East India produce.
At present he would,only add, that the Committee was not to
be considered as coining to any final adjudication on all the
reductions that it was proposed to effect in our present system
of duties.—(Hear !)

Sir kJ. PARNELL', after complimenting the light lion.'
Gentleman on the great clearness and ability with which he had
just explained his intentions to the Committee, expressed his
regret that the schedule before them shewed that in several
instances the Right liOn. Gentleman still retained those mis-
chievous end foolish protecting duties, to which, as a system, he
(Sir H. Parnell) was entirely opposed. He now begged leave to
make a few observations on the cotton manufacture. He did not
see the necessity of SO high a rate of duty as that contained in
the schedule being unposed for the protectiOn of that manufac-
ture. The Right Hon. Gent. wished to uphold a duty of 10 per
cent., but while they had extensive capital, and a great variety
of machinery, which was used in the manufacture of cotton,
the idea of competition. with this country was futile. They paid
high wages, they also paid a duty on the raw material; but
still, such was the p.erfectiau. of the machinery, that foreign na-
tions could not compete with them. It was, therefore, a mis-
take to argue that; high wages were' always productive of high
prices—a position which the late Mr. Ricardo had-occupied
much time in successfully combatting. With regard to wool-
lens, he did not mean to object to the rate of duty mentioned
in the schedule—at the same that he could not exactly see why
18 per cent. had been fixed on, rather than 10 or 20 per cent.—
As to the linen manufacture, he was willing that it should re-
Main on the ground that was stated in the original schedule.
It was only fair, he thought, that it' should do so, because the
iniproved mode of manufacturing linen in Ireland, and in this
country, had not yet had a mail-vie:it trial. But the Right Hon.
Gentleman had made a deviation, it appeared, from the original
schedule. . He now consented to continuo a protecting duty of
25 per cent. for eight years, and in this instance he imposed on
the country die five evils connected with the protecting system.
This 25 per cent. he tonsidered as nearly
.a prohibition ; and
by proceeding in this manner, he was certain the system would
, not be got rid of in 10 years. On looking through the schedule
he still saw many protecting duties, from 50 even to 75 per
cent. continued, which ought to be abolished. Considerable re-
ductions had been made on trifling articles, such as sealing-wax,
&c., which should have been struck out altogether. But
on articles of iniportance, large duties were still continued. On
copper there was a duty of 30 per cent.; and he conceived,
looking to the capital, industry, and skill of this country, that
such duty was not called for. On hardware there was a uuty of
20 per cent. This was an article which, above all others, cone
sidering our great excellence in the manufacture, and the admi-
rable machinery which was applicable to it, could bear a very
considerable-reduction of duty. Again, there was 15 per cent.
on cutlery ware—a manufacture in which this country excelled
in the Tomtatinn of which all the advantages were in their fa-
vour. He considered these ditties too high, and if this country
imposed such duties on the goods of foreign powers, and thelat-
ter retaliated, he conceived the merchants here had no fair cause
to complain. lie was anxious to point out these circumstances,for
the purpose of making way for the thorough reform in our com-
mercial system which he hoped would speedily be effected, and
which, he was sure,would tend greatly to the extension of our ma-
nufactures. The Right Hon. Gent. deserved the thanks of the
country for his reduction of the duties on certain raw materials,
which would benefit the public considerably. But there was ii
want of attention with respect to articles in which this country
could not compete with others. On leather and on shipping,
he conceived every thing like a ditty should be • removed. Ile
would remove, or greatly reduce, the duty on hemp and timber.
He was sorry to see the duties kept up on what might be term-
ed "minor luxuries." A number of things which were con-
sidered comforts by the great body of the people, were still sub-
jected to a heavy impost. Of this description were currants,
raisins, apples, grapes, &c. Indeen, in some particulars, it
would seem as if the schedule had been drawn up to annoy the
people. The poor were in many instances affected by it. Bacon,
butter, beef, and pork, were marked down at a certain rate of
duty. lie had hoped, as new circumstances had arisen, as new
principles had been promulgated, in consequence of the labours
of Mr. Ricardo and others, that this part of the subject,
' which was connected with a rise in the price of food, and a
consequent rise in the rate of wages, would be treated in a
more liberal manner. Nothing was so impolitic as to lay heavy
duties on the necessaries of life. Looking to this schedule, I
with the exception of one or two articles, he found all the rest
defended by protecting duties.—(llear!)—Those duties had,
he thought, n n extremely injurious effect, and ought in conse-
quence to be taken ofF. If they were, the five evils which the
Right Hon. Gentleman had adverted to would no longer exist.
A Bill had been introduced for the prevention of smuggling.—
What was the reason of the alterations which that Bill pro..
posed ? There would. be no necessity . for any legislation on
the suNect, hut for this schedule. Why should they pass a -
Bill with such clauses? One of the clauses contained in
it was just as bad as the Irish Insurrection Act. He alluded
to that which related to lurking, after run-set, near the sea-
shore. For this offence a man might be taken into custody—
than which nothing could be more oppressive.- If this schedule
• were put on a proper footing, there would be no necessity for
any provision of this kind, since there would be little tempts-
, don for smuggling. To the clause he had referred to, he felt
the strongest objection, because it was incompatible with the
liberty of the subject. He should make no tnrther observa-
tions on the plan of the Hon. Gentleman ;
but he hoped he
would, as fast as possible, proceed with the repeal of those laws
which fettered the commerce Of the country.
Mr. MABERLY was of opinion that the Hon. Baronet had
not treated the- plan of the Right Hon. Gentleman fairly.—
He had argued it on principle, instead of looking to the ex-
pediency which must be connected with the proposed altera-
nons. In another respect, too, he had not met the question
, fairly, as he had throughout rather argued on the schedule
as a ,schedule of revenge. If the Honourable Baronet had at-
tended to the opening speech of the Right Honourable Gen.
denten, he would have seen clearly what his object was.—
He came for ward to relieve the commerce of the country,
and he divided the subject into two parts. In the first place,
his proposition respected the colonial interest; and his second
proposition had reference to the expediency of revising the scale
of duties on manufactures, &c., and of relaxing those prohibi-
tory, or, as theyawere called, protecting duties.' Of course the
Right Hon. Gentleman could not immediately say what amount
of relaxation should ultimately be extended to each manufac-
lure. That would take up more than one, two, or three years.
The Right Hon. Gentleman had submitted his plan in March
last; and now, three months afterwards, having, in the mean
time, given the question every consideration in his power, lie,
stated to the House what he conceived to be at present a fair re,
laxation. The Hon. Bart. approved generally of what had beers
done, but he had an exception. When he came to Irish linen,
he regretted the p:otecting duty of 25 per cent., while cotton Wee
protected in- a trifling degree. It was entirely a question of expo.
diency as to the tune when, and the extentto which, those differ-
ent duties should be reduced. The Hon. Baronet observed, that
no reduction had been made beyond 30 per cent.; whereas, if
he examined the table, lie would find that duties, amounting
to 120, and even 130 per cent., had been greatly reduced. The
Right Hon. Gentleman had deviated from his original plan in
•two or three instances. Linen was one of them e but lie here
only deviated with respect to time. In glass, paper, and bar-
rills, some alteration had beeh made. But was it possible that
the Right Hon. Gentleman could no through the whole trade of
this great commercial country, and decide at once what should
be done ? When the whole interest of the country was at stake,
ought he not to act with caution? And yet, after all, he had
deviated in a very trifling degree. No man could have load
more to struggle with than the Right Hon. Gentleman in the
course of this proceeding, and no Man could be more entitled
to the thanks of the country for the manner in which he met
the interests of different parties, or for the soundness of the
views he promulgated on this important subject.—(llear !)
No alteration had been made with respect to silks, cottons, and
woollens ; but linen was to be protected by a duty of 25 per
cent.' But when the Hon. Baronet noticed this part of the sub-
ject,. he ehould state what the present'protecting duty was. It
was 100 per cent., and that was to be reduced gradually to 25
efoiguhntdyi years
ex n
it
expedient
cent. Now' in removing this protection, what course had
the Right Hon Gentleman taken ? He saw that the manufac-
ture involved the interests of many parties, and therefore be
pedient to relax the protecting duty by degrees, and
was given for that purpose. -The Right Hon. Gen-
tleman had placed but a small protecting duty on the cotton
manufacture, in consequence of the extensive use of Ma-
chinery in that trade. That, however, was not the case
with the linen trade. But it was hoped that, in seven
or eight years, by the introduction of machinery, this
fabric might be manufactured thirty • or forty per cent. cheaper
than at present, and therefore this course had been taken. Tune
ought to be given for this plan to be carried into effect,

especially as the application of machinery to spinning flax
must, of necessity, be much more slow than its application to
the spinning of cotton. It was considered, 14 competent judges,
that, when the plan was matured, the linen, manufactured by
the aid of machinery would be 60 or 70 per cent. better than
that manufactured in the ordinary way. The Hon. Gent. con-
chided by pronouncing an eulogium on the Board of Trade.
The Right Hon. Gentleman who presided over that important
department, and whose labours were gratuitous, ought, he con-
ceived, to be liberally rewarded for the performance of his
duties in that office, and not, as at present, derive his salary
from another and a subordinate situation (Treasurer of the
Navy) where his duty was scarcely more than those of a pay-
master.—( H ear I )—lle trusted the Chancellor of the Exchequer
would take the case of his Hon. Colleague into serious con-
sideration.

111 r. T. WILSON, in reply to the ohservations of the Hon.
Baronet (Sir H. Parnell), said he was surprised to hear any ob-
jection from him to the alteration 'in the linen duties. He had
been in the habit of hearing so much on this subject, and so
much had been said in the House, that he was sure this mea-
sure originated in a kindly feeling towards Ireland. He con-
cluded by expressing his satisfaction at the proceedings of the
Right Hon. Gentleman, which would improve the commerce of
the country, and show to foreigners that we were willing to ad-
mit them to a fair share of the advantages to which they were
entitled, as well as ourselves.

Mr. BRIGHT suggested to the Right Hon. Gentleman that
it would be advantageous to the West Indies if some facility
were afibrded to the introduction of the productions of the
warmer climates which might be grown there. lie instanced
particularly almonds, grapes, and currants, which he hail no
doubt would thrive in the West Indies, and thus a valeable
branch of commerce, at present confined to the countries bor-
dering the Mediterranean, might he tranferred to our own co-
lonies. He thought also that the matting, of the West Indies,
instead of being charged as it was at 20 per cent should be
much reduced. This would give occasion to a great demand
for the article which was used as a wrapper for East India sugar.
He hoped at least, that if these alterations could not at present
be made, they would engage the attention of 'the Right Hon:
Gentleman by the next session.
Mr. C. ELLISON we understood to•Yecortitnond a reduc-
tion of the general duty on coals, and on the exportation of
coals from the port of Newcastle. . •
The CHANCELLOR of -the EXCHEQUER said he had
not overlooked the subject alluded to by the Hon. 3lember for
Newcastle, hut the great and numerous difficulties which stood
in the way had prevented him from • doing as much as he had
contemplated. A great reduction had, however; been effected,
that on coals carried coastwise bad been reduced to 3s. ;:s.r dial.
dron, and to Is. per chaldron on coals of particular dimensions..
He had been told that this latter sort of coal, being unable to
bear the duty, was consumed at the pitta' mouth, and in fact
almost wasted. Ile was induced on this account, and because
he thought'it might be made very useful in manufactories, and
as fuel for the poor classes of the people, to think the duty
should be reduced. Ile had communicated generally on the
subject of coals with several persons of science, and among others
with Professor, Buckland, who united in recommending the al-
teration he had adopted. He flattered himself with the hope of
carrying the same principle still farther, but he could not do
so until the result of the present experiment had been ascer-
tained. lie was afraid of having too many irons in the fire,
lest he should not be able to get some of them out. If Parlia-
ment should hold its hand for the present, he was sure they
would do ten thousand times more good than by following the
precipitate course which some Hon. Gentlemen recommended.
Ile was quite aware that these minute details-required all the
vigilance of the House. Ile trusted that the day would soon
arrive when no article in the schedule would stand at too high a
duty for the.commercial interests of the country. That would,
however, take some time to perfect. In the mean time he
must say, lie thought his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Huskisson)
had done as much as could be expected from him in one Ses-
sion.—(Hear, hear!)
Mr. GORDON objected to such parts of the• schedule as
imposed heavy duties upon trifling articles of luxury, which
could in no way interfere with the commercial interests of the
country.
Sir T. ACLA ND expressed a hope that the duty on small
coal from Wales (great quantities of.which were used in burn-
ing limes would be taken off..
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no ob-
jection to reduce, but could not consent to take off, those
duties. _ _

Mr. HUME complained, that the schedule appeared to be in
many instances ibruittl upon the contradictory principles of
aftbrding a protection And levying duty at the same time.—
Thus ;duty was laid upon raw hemp, while foreign sail-cloth
was altogether prohibited. A duty was placed upon barilla,
and yet soup was prohibited. Be objected, also, to the duty on
drugs; and said he was very sure if one half of the items in the'
schedule were struck out, the commerce and_ the revenue of the
country would be both improved. He wished, also, that in.
stead of the duty on non-enumerated articles, there should be
a power in the Privy Council to impose such duties as circum-
stances should hereafter make necessary.
Mr. HUSKISSON admitted that it might be proper to have
some check over those articles respecting which none but prac-
tical men could form a proper opinion. He should be happy
to adopt the suggestion of the Honourable Member for Aber-
deen, of vesting a discretionary power in the Privy Council
but the Hon. Member was aware that the House of Commons
was always extremely jealous of adding to the prerogatives of
the Crown. When the House recollected all that he and, his
Right Honourible Priced had done, extending the principles
of tree trade within the last two sessions snore than had been
done for a century before, he thought they ought not be found
fault with if they had adopted every suggestion which had been
thrown out.
After a short conversation, which was carried on in.so low a
tone that we could not collect what was passing, between Cap-
tain Moberly, Sir H. Purnell, Mr. Alderman Wood, :and
Mr. Denham, the clauses were agreed to, the House resumed,
and the report was ordered to be brought up to-morrow. -

APOTHECARIES' AMENDMVNT BILL.
On the motion of Mr. BROUGHAM', the House went into a
Committee on this Bill.
Zr. A BERCROMBY moved a clause, that the duration of
the Bill should be limited to the cud of the next session of Par-
liament.
Mr. BROUGHAM opposed the amendment, on the ground
that it would produce the necessity of introducing the same Bill
next year.
. .
After a few words from the ATTORNET.GENERAL, Mr.
II usiE, and Mr. DEx lIANi on the motion of the ATIORNEY
GENERAL, the committal of the Felonies' Counsel' Bill was
postponed to this day three month
s.—The Bill is therefore lost
for this session.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at THREE O'CLOCK till to-morrow (this day.)