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London, England, 1849-03-17 00:00:00

ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.

Colonel ANSON said that as the Ordnance estimates
rare under consideration upstairs it would be premature
to enter into the details of the votes which:comprised the
SUMS for the service of that department. But the Com-
mittee must be aware that it was necessary to take cer-
tain votes on account to meet the necessary expenses
after the expiration of the present financial year. These
estimates had been prepared with a due regard to the
efficiency and exigencies of the service, and with a strict
attention to economy.

Mr. HUMS said he would not object to the votes
being taken on account; but he most protest against the
observation that they were prepared with strict atten-
tionto economy.

The followin-g votes were then agreed to:-
350,0001 for the pay, allowances, and contingencies of
the ordnance military corps.
40,000/. for salaries and contingencies of the Ordnance
office.

150,0001. for the ordnance military establishments a
home and abroad.

70,000/. for the wages of artificers and labourers.
160,000/. for ordnance stores.
250,0001. for works, buildings, and repairs.
45,000/. for the scientific branch.
85,0001. for the non-effective services, military and
civil.

The resolutions were then reported.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that he would proceed with
the army estimates on Monday, and then, if they were
got through in sufficient time, with the navy estimates.

NEW BILLS.

The following Bills were introduced :
By Mr. BOURKE, for the better preservation of cat
tle and sheep, and the more speedy detection of cattle
and sheep stealers in Ireland.
By Mr. SOTHERON, to relieve tenants at rack rent,
having a temporary interest in the lands or tenements, is
respect of rates leviable for erecting and providing
county lunatic asylums.
By Mr. REYNOLDS, to alter and amend the law re.
lating to proceedings by attachments in Courts of
Record in the city of Dublin and nther boroughs in
Ireland.

The House then adjourned at a Quartet. to One.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

From the Yotes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.)
THURSDAY, MARCH 15.
LOCAL TAXATION.

Order read, for resuming adjourned debate on amendment
proposed to be made to Question (Bth March), " That the
whole of the local taxation of the country for national pur-
poses, falls mainly, if not exclusively, on real property, and
bears with undue severity on the occupiers of land, in a
manner injurious to the agricultural interests of the country,
and otherwise highly impolitic and unjust :
" That the hardship of this apportionment is greatly aggra-
vated by the fact, that more than one-third of the whole
produce,revenu revenue derived from
by thethereEcexactisceh,
aisngleevsieidn
the law, to direct
upon agricultural
competition with the untaxed produce of foreign countries;
the home producer being thus subjected to a burden of taxa-
ion which, by greatly enhancing the price, limits the de-
mand for British produce; and to restrictions, which inju-
riously interfere with the conduct of his trade and industry:
"That this House will resolve itself into a Committee, to
take into its serious consideration such measures as may re-
move the grievances of which the owners and occupiers of
real property thus justly complain, and which may establish
a more equitable apportionment of the public burdens :"
And which amendment was to leave out from the first word
"That" to the end of the Question, in order to add the words
"if the local taxation of the country presses unequally on
real property, or bears with undue severity on the occupiers
of land, such inequality and undue pressure ought to be re-
moved ; but, with the view of granting speedy relief to the
agricultural and other interests of the country, without de-
triment to the claims of the national creditors, it is the
opinion of this House that the public expenditure, now ex-
cessive, ought to be forthwith reduced so as to enable Par-
liament to repeal totally the Excise duties on malt and hops ;
and to remove, as far as practicable, other burdens which
impede the progress of agriculture and of commercial in-
dustry," instead thereof: Question again proposed, " That
the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Question."
The House divided :
MAJORITY—AYES, 394.
Anson, Viscount Fortescue, J. W, Neeld, John
Acland, Sit T. D. Fox, Richard M. Newdegate, C. N.
Adair, R. Shalto Fox, S. L. Newport, Visct.
Adare, Viscount Freestuti, Colonel Noel, G. J.
Adderley, C. B. Galway, Viscount Norreys, Lord
Alexander, N. Gaskell J. M. Nugent, Lord
Anson, Colonel Gladstone, W. E. O'Brien, Sir Lucius
Anson, Viscount Glyn, George Carr O'Brien, T.
Anstey, T. C. G-.lard, A. L. O'Connell, M. J.
ArbiAlinott, 11. Gordon, Admiral Ord, W.
Archdall, Captain Gore, W. It. Ossulston, Lord
Armstrong, It. IL Gore, W. It. 0. Packe, C. IV. -
Arundel, Earl of Goulburn, Henry Paget, Lord A.
Bagge, NV. Grace, 0. I). , Paget, Lord Clarence
Bagot, William Graham, Sir J. . Paget, Lord George
Bagshaw, John Granby. Marquis ot- -I...‘liner, Robert
Bailey, J. jun. Granger, T. C. . -13..shner, Roundel!
liatnes, AL T. Grenfell, C. Pascoe Palmerston, vlscouni
Grey,roja nß,atlp.h W.
Berkes4G.
scount G
Grenfell, Charles W. Parker. John
Baring, sir F. T. Grey, Sir G. Peel, Sir Robert
Baring,ll:
ec liiißarrington,
et
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.7%o‘uf,ri
Viscount
11.
iiagg peel, Frederick
itt, F. R. Philips, Sir G. R.
Grosvenor, Earl Pigott, Francis
Bennet, Philip Gwyn, Vowel Pinney, W. 1
Plowden, W. 11.
Berkeley, Captain Hale, It. B.
Powell, Colonel
Bernal, Ralph Raiford, Sir 11. Prime, Richard
Birch, Mr Thomas Hall, Colonel Pryse, Pryse
illackall, S. W. Hallyburton, Lord Pugh, David
Blackstone, W. S. Halsey, T. I'. • Pusey, Philip
Blandford, Marquis Hamilton, G. A. Reid. Colonel
Boldero, 11. G. Hamilton, J. 11. Renton, John C.
Bourke, Richard S. Harcourt, G. G. Repton, G. IV. J.
Bouverie, E. P. Harris, Captain Ricardo, Osman
Boyd, John thistle, Archibald Richards, Richard
Boyle, Colonel Hawes, B. Robinson, G. R.
Bramsten, T. W'. Ilay, Lord John Roche, E. B.
Brand, Thomas Ilayter, NV. G. Rolleston,;Colonel
Bremridge, Richard Heatilam, T. E. Romilly, Sir John
Brisco, 31.1 Heald, James Raiford, Francis
Broadley, H. lleatlicoat, John Rumbold, C. E. •
Brocklehurst, J. Heathcoat, G. J. Rushout, Captain
Brockman, E.J. Ileneage, G. 11. Russell, Lord J.
Brooke, Lord Henley, J. W. Russell, E. ,
Brooke, Sir A. B. Herbert, 11, A. Russell, F. C.
Brotherton, J. Herbert, Sidney Sanders, Joseph
Browne, R. D. 'terries, J. C. Scott, F.
Bruce, C. L. Hervey, Lord A. Scrope, G. P.
Buck, L. W. Hildyard, R. C. Seyiner, H. K.
Buller, Sir J. Y. Hillyard, T. B.
Seymour, Lord
Banbury, Edward Hill, Lord E. Shaft°, R. D.
Burghley, Lord Hill, Lard Marcus Sheil, It. L.
Burrell, Sir C. Hobliouse, Sir John Shelburne, Earl of
nurroughes, 11. N. Hobliouse, T. B. Sheridan, R. B.
Buxton, sir E.
Hodges, T. L. Shirley, E. J.
W Sibthorp, Colonel
Callaghan, D. Hodgson, .N.
Campbell, W. F. Hogg, Sir J. W. Simeon, John
eardwell, Edward Hood, Sir A. &alley, Robert A.
Carew, W. P. Hope, Alexander Smith, R. V.
Carter, J. B. Hotham,;Lord
Cavendish, C. C. Howard, Lord E. Ssnni
Cavendish, G. H. Howard, CW. G. Smyth, Sir 11.
Cavendish, IV. G. Howard, J. K. Smyth, J. G.
Cayley, Edward S. Howard, E. G. Somerset, Captain
Chandos, Marquis Howard, I', 11. Somerton, Viscount
iiittliii:
Chaplin, W. J. Howard, Sir R. Somerville. Sir W.
Hutt, Francis utt, William j 31.. J. Aiticker
Sothcron, T. 11. S.
Chichester, Lord J. Jermyn, Earl Spearman, IL J.
Childers, J. W. Jervis, Sir John Spooner, Richard
Cholmeley, Sir M. Jolliffe, Sir W. G. Stafford, Augusta.,
Christopher, R. Jones, Captain Stanley, E.
Clay, James Keppcl, G. T. Stanfield, W. R.
Clay, Sir W. Ker, Rickard Stanton, W. H.
Clements, Charles Kcrris-m, Sir E. Staunton, Sir G.
Clerk, Sir G. Kildare, Marquis of Stuart, Lord J.
Clive, R. 11. Kalghtley, Sir C. Stuart, Henry
Clive, 11. B. Knight, F. W. ' Stuart, J.
Cobbold, John C. Labouchere, Henry . Sutton, 11. M.
Cocks, Thomas S. Langston, J. 11. Talbot, J. 11.
Codrington, Sir W. La,.celles, NV. S. Tancred, 11.1 V.
Cole, 11. A. Legh, G. C. Taylor, T. E.
Colebrooke, Sir T. Lemon, Sir Charles Tenison, E. K.
Coles, 11. B. • Lennard, T. B. Tennent, R. J.
Corry, Henry Lennox, Lora 11. Thesiger, Sir F.
Cowper, WF. Leslie, C. P . Thicknesse,,lt. A. :.
Craig, W. G. Lewis, Sir T. '- Thoinpson, Colonel
Cubitt, William Lewis, George C; Thompson, Alderman
Currie, Henry Lewisham, Vise. Thornely, Thomas
Currie, Raikes Lincoln, Earl of Tollemache, John
Davie, Sir Henry Lindsay, Colonel Towneley, John
Davies, D. A. Littleton, E. R. Townley, R. G.
Dawson, T. V. Lockhart, W. Townshend. Captain
Denison, W. J. Long, W. Trail, George;
Disraeli, B. Lopes, Sir Ralph Trelawny, J. S.
Divett. Edward Lowther, Henry Trevor, G.
Dod, J. NV. Lygon, General Trollope, Sir J.
Dodd, George Mackinnon, W. Tuthell, H.
Douglas, Sir C. Macnamara, Major Turner, G. J.
Douro, Marquis of M'Cullagh, W. T. Tynte, Colonel
Duckworth, Sir J. Mahon, O'Gorman Tyrell, Sir J.
Duff, George S. Mahon, Viscount Vane, Lord 11.
Duncan, ,Viscount Maitland, Thomas Verner, Sir .W.
Duncan, George Mandeville, Viscount Vivian, J. E. ,
Duncombe, A. Mangles, It. D. Vivian, J. 11,
Duncembe, 0. Manners, Lord C. Vyse, R. 11,
Duneutt, John Manners, Lord G. Waddington,' David
Dundas, Admiral March, Earl of Wadding:on, H. S.
Dundas, Sir David Marshall, J. G. Wall, C. B.
Dunne, F. i'. Marshall, NV. Walpole, S. n,
Du Pre, C. CL Martin, C. W. Walsh, Sir J.
East, Sir J. Martin, Samuel Walter, John
Ebrington, Lord Matheson, A. Ward, 11, G.
Edwards, H. Matheson, Colonel Watkins, Colonel
Ellice, Edward Maule, Fox Welby, G. E.
Ellice, a.., jun. Maunsell, T. P. West, F. R.
Elliot, John E. Weigand, Viscount Williams, T. p.
Enfield, Viscount Meux, Sir 11. Williamson, Sir H.
Estcourt, J. B. B. Miles, P. W. R. Wilson, James
Evans, William Miles, W. Wilson, Matthew
Farnham, E. Milner, NV. M. Wood, Sir Charles
Ferrer, James Wines, R. Monckton Wodehouse, E.
Fellowes, E. Mitchell, T. A. Worcester, Marquis
Ferguson, Col. Moffatt, George WortleYa.
Ferguson, Sir R. Monsen, William . Wrightson, w. B.
Filmer, Sir E. Moody, C. A. Wynn, C. IN*,
Fitzwilliam, G. IV. Moore, George H. Wynn, Sir w. ,
Floyer, John Morgan, 0. Wyvill, /demerit:lke
Foley,V. 11. Morison, Sir W. Young, Sir John
Forbes, Wn. Mostyrt, E.
Fordyce, A. D. Mulgrave, Earl
Forester, G. C. Mailings, J. IL
Forster, M. Mainz, G. F.
Ferteseue, Chichester Napier, Joseph

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Mackenzie, IV. F.

Bass,A3l Berkeley,
Berkeley,
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MINHOeyRwITodI—J,,NmeOsES, 710t.yi,
llardcastic, J. A.
Walmsley,Peto, Sjaam:uesseirl
j.
Anderson, Arthur Harris, Richard Pigott, Francis
thistle, Alexander Pilkington, James
Henry, Alexander Itendlesham, Lord
BBr
Brown,oliii
Blewitt, It. J. Ileyworth, Lawrence Ricardo, J. L.
Bright, John Ilindley, C. Itobartes, T. J. A.
Salwey, Colonel
Scholefield, William
Jackson, William Smith, J. Benjamin
Clay, James Kershaw, James Stuart, Lord D.
Cowan, Charles King, I'. J. Thompson George
Dashwood, G. H. Lawless, Cecil
Devereux, John T. Lushington, C. Wawn, J. T.
D'Eyncourt, T.
Yli,uS.aliri)lti'r.cY liuln
IWOregor, John
pi Holland,
ie ry,
, RobertA , .
Weathead, J. P.
Duke, Sir J. Molesworth, Sir W. Willcox, Brodie
Ellis, John Mowatt, Francis Williams, John
Ewart, William A Nugent, Lord; Willyams, 11.
Fagan, William O'Connell, J. Wood, W. P.
Fergus, John
Fox, W. J. 00g'Cleo,nsn.ore..FearguS Wyld,
Frewen, C. 11. Osborne, Ralph TELLERS.
Fuller, A. E. Pearson, Charles Hume, Joseph
Gibson, T. 31.: Pechell, Captain Cobden, Richard
Greene, John Perfect, Bober;

FRIDAY, 31,kRCH 16.

SUPPLY:

Order for Committee read; Army and Ordnance Esti-
mates referred ; Motion made and Question proposed, " That
Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair:"—Amendment pro-
posed, to leave out from the word " That" to the end of the
Question, in order to add the words " in the present state or
the Finances of the Country, her Majesty's Ministers, before,
calling on this House to vote the Estimates for the Public:
Service, should submit a general financial Statement of the:
whole or expected Revenues, and the total intended Expen-
diture for the ensuing financial years," instead thereof :
Question put, "That the words proposed to be left out stand.
part of the Question." The House divided:—
MAJORITY—AYES, 97.
Abdy, T. N. Haggitt, F. R. Teel, Sir Robert
Acland, Sir T. ' Hastie, Archibald Pinney, William
Adair, R. Shafto Henley, J. W. Pugh, David
Anson, Colonel Herbert, Henry A. Raphael, Alexander
Arundel, Earl of Herbert, Sidney Rice, E. R.
Baines, M. T. Hervey, Lord A. - Romilly, Sir John
Baring, Sir F. T. Heywood, James Russell, Lord John
Bernal, Ralph Hodges, T. L. Russell, F. C.
Illackall, S. W. Hogg, Sir J. : Sandars, Joseph
Boyle, Colonel Hope, Sir J. Sheil, R. L. j,„,ij
Brooke, Sir Arthur Howard, Lord E. Smith, J. A.
lirotherton, Joseph Howard, C. W. Smollett, A.
Brown, W. Howard, I'. 11. Somerville, Sir W.
Bruce, Lord E. Jermyn, Earl Spearman, H. J.
Burrell, Sir C. Kildare, Marquis Stafford, Augustus
Carter, John 13. Labouchere, Henry Strickland, Sir G.
Cayley, E. S. Langston, J. 11. Tennent, S. J.
Chichester, Lord J. Lascelles, W. S. Thicknesse, Ralph
Clive, It. 11. Lewis; Sir Ti Thompson, Ald.z
Corry, 11. Littleton, E. K. Thornely, T.
Cowper, W. F. Mahon, O'Gorman Townshend, Capt.
Cubitt, William Mottle, Fox Tyrell,:Sir J.
Dundas, Admiral Milner, W. M. Ward, H. G. ---"
Elliot, J. E. , Mines, R. H. Watkins, Colonel
Fairer, James Morgan, 11. K. Wilson, James
Ferguson, Sir R. Morison, Sir W. Wodchouse, Edmund
Forbes, William Morris, David Wood, Sir Charles
French, F. Mulgrave, Earl Wyvill, M.
Galway, Viscount Muilings, J. R. Young, Sir John
Gladstone, W. E. Nugent, Sir Percy
Gordon, Admiral Paget, Lord A.
Grace, 0. D. J. Palmerston, Vis.
Granger, T. C. Parker, John
Grey, Sir George Patten, J. W.

TELLEXB.
TufnelL Henry
Lord X.,

MINORITY-NOES, 43.

Aglionby, 11. A. Ilastie, Alexander O'Connell, John
Archdall, Captain Heald, James Osborne, Ralph
Baldwin, Barry Henry, Alexander Peehell, Captain
Bennet, Philip Heyworth, L. Perfect, It.
Blewitt, Reginald Hindley Charles Pilkington,7james
Bouverie, E. P. Hodgson, W. N. Scholetleld, William
Cobden, Richard Horsman, E. Sibthorp, Colonel
Duncan,':George Humphery, Ald. Sidney, Alderman
Duncuft, John Kershaw, James Smith, John B.
Ellis, John King, P. J. Stuart, Lord D.
Ewart, William Lacy, H. C. Thompson, Colonel
Floyer, John Meagher, Thomas Waddington, H. S.
Gibson, T. M. Martin, J. Walmsley, Sir J.
Orcenall, Gilbert Moffatt, George Williams, John
Greene, John Molesworth, Sir W. TELLERS.
Gwyn, Howel Mowatt, Francis llume, Joseph
Harris, Richard Muntz, G. F. Willoughby, Sir H.