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SUPPLY. - ESTIMATES.

The House then went into Committee of Supply, and
proceeded to vote the remainder of the civil service esti-
mates.

A vote of 4,0491. for defraying the charges of the colonial
establishment at the Bermudas was agreed to.
On the vote of 7,6471. for defraying the charge of the
ecclesiastical establishments in the British North American
provinces,
Sir J. WALMSLEY said, he considered the committee
ought to deal impartially with all, and, as they had last
night rejected the vote for the payment of the repairs of
Maynooth College, he should move that this vote be dis-
allowed.

Mr. PEEL said, that this vote was not connected with
the policy of maintaining a church establishment in British
North America. That was at one time considered a proper
policy for this country to pursue, but it had long since been
determined that no new grants of money should be made,
and that those annual payments should continue to be made
which had been promised to the colonial incumbents on
their entering on their sacred office. As the present incum-
bents died off the grant decreased. No new appointments
were made, and in the course of time the vote would dis-
appear altogether from the estimates. If it were, however,
disallowed now, Parliament would be guilty of a gross
breach of faith.

- After some conversation the vote was agreed to.
On the vote of 12,1511. for the expenses of the Indian
Department in Canada,
Mr. WILLIAMS inquired whether this vote was not
also gradually decreasing ?
31r. PEEL replied that the Government proposed to dis-
continue the grant in four years. The item for presents to
the Indians was to be divided into four portions, one of
which was to be discontinued every year.
M. MACGREGOR supported the vote.
Mr. NEWDEGATE asked the grounds for tho discon-
tinuince of this grant ? He had understood that it was
originally made in return for the cession of land.
Mr. PEEL was understood to state that the grant :was
not made on any such grounds.
Mr. NEWDEGATE believed that the Indians in Canada
were materially benefited by these presents, and still con-
sidered that they were originally made for military services
and for the cession of land to the British Government.
He must confess that he saw with feelings of discontent a
proceeding which amounted to repudiation.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that, when this question was
under consideration, he did not hear any argument in fa-
vour of the continuance of the grant on the ground, that
its discontinuance would be a breach of faith ; and he did
not believe that the grant was made in return for the ces-
sion of land.

Mr. BRIGHT had the authority of a Canadian gentle.
man for stating that these presents, in the mode in which
they were at present made, were most pernicious to the
Indians—(hear)—and led to debauchery and degradation.
He was glad that the grant was to be discontinued,' but
hoped that with its discontinuance the salaries of the offi-
cials employed in distributing the presents would also
cease. (Hear.)
In answer to Mr. SPOONER,
. _ _ _ _ _

Lord J. RUSSELL said, h.° believed that no conditions
of any kind were attached to the original grant, but he
would inquire into it. (Hear.)
After some conversation, the vote was agreed to.
On the vote being proposed that the sum of 19,4281. be
granted to defray the salaries of the Governors, Lieuten-
ant-Governors, and others in the West India colonies, and
Prince Edward's Island,
Colonel DUNNE wished to know why Demerara, Hon-
duras, and other islands, which were self-supporting, were
not mentioned in the estimates ?
Mr. PEEL said, all th© colonies whose salaries were
paid out of a Parliamentary grant were included in these
estimates, but the rest, whose emoluments were paid out
of the colonial resources, were put into the colonial esti-
mates.

Mr. V. SMITH asked whether the salary of the Chief
Justice of Anguilla, which was put down at 1001. a year,
was the whole that person received ?
Mr. PEEL believed that the duties of the office of Chief
Justice of Barbadoes, Anguilla, and Antigua wore all dis-
charged by the same person, and that he received the
emoluments arising from the three offices.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS thought the colonies ought to
maintain their own governors, and he particularly objected
to so large a sum as 4,0001. a-year being paid to the Go-
vernor-in-Chief of the Windward Islands.
Mr. PEEL said, that with regard to the large salary to
the Governor of the Windward Islands, his impression was
that when the arrangement was originally made the Go-
vernor-in-Chief was in command of that station. Latterly,
however, that office had not been held in conjunction with
the office of civil governor. It must be borne in mind that
Barbadoes was a great naval station, and the head-quarters
of the Windward. Islands ; and the Governor-in-Chief was
called upon to exercise more hospitality than the Governor-
in-Chiet of-the Leeward Islands.

Mr. I. MACGREGOR was of opinion that they would
never be able to govern the colonies unless this country
paid the salaries of the governors and chief justices, in the
same way as they paid the salaries of ambassadors at
foreign Courts.
Mr. W. -WILLIAMS was not surprised that his hon.
friend should differ from him, for he had never known his
hon. friend in one single instance support economy. (A
laugh.)
The veto was then agreed to.
A vote of 30,2621. to defray the salaries, allowances, and
contingencies of the stipendiary justices in the West Indies,
Mauritius, &c., was then agreed to.
On a vote being proposed of 16,840/. to defray the esti-
mated amount in aid required for the civil establishment
on the coast of Africa,
Mr. W. WILLIAMS was understood to complain that
the estimate was not complete by reason of some charge
for stores not having been introduced.
Mr. LUCAS said, that when ho saw the hon. member
rise ho expected it was for the purpose of objecting to the
item of 400/. put down as the stipend paid to the chaplain
at the Gambia. He (Mr. Lucas) was not going to object
to that charge himself ; but when he remembered that only
last night hon. gentlemen opposite voted against a small
item for Maynooth, on the principle that they were op-
posed to all grants for religious purposes, he thought it
would only have been consistent if they had objected to
this sum of 4001.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said, some provision must be made
for religious instruction in these distant colonies, and it
was impossible it could be done in any other way than that
now adopted. If it could be shown that the majority of
the people at the Gambia were Roman Catholics, he would
willingly vote a sum for a Roman Catholic priest.
Sir J. ANDERSON thought there was no inconsistency,
in voting against the Maynooth grant, and yet not oppos-
ing the present vote.
Mr. LUCAS believed there was au instance of a Catholic
ambassador, Mr. Wyse, at Athens, having a chaplain with
that embassy.
Lord PALMERSTON said, it was a mission, and not an
embassy, at Athens. Chaplains were appointed to em-
bassies, but not to missions.
The vote was finally agreed to, as was also a vote of
5,0001. for Western Australia.
On the vote of 5,0901. for New Zealand,
Mr. V. SIM inquired if the Government had received

any dispatches respecting the way in which the inhabitants
had received the act of last session, and particularly the
decision as to the New Zealand Company ?
Mr. PEEL replied that the Government had not so much
as heard of the arrival of the act.
Agreed to.
On the vote of 976/. for Heligoland,
Mr. MIALL moved that it be reduced by 1001., being the
amount of salary paid to two clergymen, at 50/. each.
Mr. PEEL explained that the inhabitants were really
too poor to make any provision for those rev. gentlemen.
Mr. BRIGHT.—Then is it necessary to maintain them
there ?
No answer. The vote was agreed to.
On the vote of 4,7501. for the Falkland Islands,
Colonel DUNNE observed that the charges were very
heavy, and inquired what the population was ?
Mr LUCAS said, he really was sorry to trouble the
house about this everlasting subject of chaplains, but they
saw hon. gentlemen opposite objecting to every vote for
Irish or Roman Catholic purposes and pressing their objec-
tions to a division, while they only objected to votes for
other denominations, but did not divide against them.
They had, in this instance, a vote of 4001, for a chaplain,
but hon. gentlemen opposite sat quite still.
Sir J. SHELLEY said, the hon. member for Meath was
too quick. He was ready to vote against the item if it ap-
peared unnecessary, but they must take the estimates as
they found them turn out. He moved that the vote be
reduced by the sum of 4001. for the chaplain.
Th. committee divided ' • the numbers wero,
For the amendment 33
Against it B6

Majority 53
The vote was then agreed to without reduction.
On the vote of 9,200/. required to defray the charge of
Hong Kong,

M. W. -WILLIAMS called attention to the monstrous
salaries of the officers in this settlement. The Governor
had 6,000/. ; the Treasurer and Registrar-General 9001., to
manage a revenue of only 22,0001. ; the Chaplain received
7001. ; the Chief Justice 3,0001. ; the Attorney-General
1,5001., and the indicial department 1,7501. •
Mr. PEEL stated there had been a large annual reduc-
tion of late years in the amount of this vote. In 1845 it
was 49,000/. ; there had been a progressive reduction since
then up to the present time ; and he anticipated that that
reduction would continue. The salaries might appear large,
but hon. gentlemen must remember how extremely trying
to an English constitution was the climate of Hong Kong ;
and officers, therefore, required a higher rate of remunera-
tion for going there. _ _

Mr. Cli'MA-.HON called attention to the fact that the
colonial chaplain received 7001., and 951. 15s. for contin-
gencies. Adding this to the sum paid to the chaplain in
the last vote, the two made up, within a few pounds, the
amount of the Maynooth grant rejected last night. He
submitted that, if hon. members opposite were sincere in
carrying out with regard to the colonies the principle they
had applied to Ireland, they ought to resist the item to
which he had alluded in this vote.
Sir J. SHELLEY said, that a vote had been taken just
now when this item had come before the committee, and
by another division immediately afterwards they would be
only delaying business utinecessarily.
Mr. BRIGHT asked whether there was any prospect
that by and by the whole of the vote now asked for might
be done away with ? He thought several of the officers
employed at Hong Kong were altogether unnecessary.
Mr. PEEL believed the reduction which had already
taken place there would continue, but could give no as-
surance that the vote would altogether disappear.
Mr. MAGUIRE wished to know what provision there
was at Hong Kong for the spiritual necessities of Roman
Catholic soldiers?

Captain SCOBELL impressed upon the committee the
necessity of looking to the highest offices as well as to the
lowest. 6,0001. a-year was too much for any governor to
have, and he hoped the committee would be divided upon it.
Mr. PEEL replied, that one reason why the salary was
large was, that the Governor's services did not entitle him
to a retiring pension.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said the English Consul at Canton,
Dr. Bowring, only received 1,8001., and he would venture
to say his services were worth as much as those of the
Governor of Hong Kong.
Lord J. RUSSELL, in answer to Mr. MAGUIRE, said,
that no provision was made in the vote for the spiritual
necessities of Roman Catholic soldiers in the island.
Mr. MAGUIRE accordingly moved that the vote be re-
duced by the sum of 7951. 175., the amount voted for the
Protestant chaplain of the colony.
Mr. LUCAS wished to know whether there were any
Roman Catholic soldiers in Hong Kong ?
Colonel DUNNE said, if there were, he thought it
probable some provision for a Roman Catholic chaplain
would be found in the army estimates.
Captain SCOBELL took exception to the amount of the
Governor's salary. It appeared he received 3,0001. a-year
as Governor, and 3,0001. a-year as Chief Superintendent
of Trade. He moved that the salary of both offices be
4,5001.

Mr. PEEL felt satisfied that 3,0001. a-year was not too
much for the Governor. The other salary as Chief Super-
intendent of Trade was not now before the house.
Mr. BRIGHT said, that there was nothing more mon-
strous than to give such a salary for two offices which one
person was able to fill. If the house gave a man 3,0001.
a year as Governor, they had a right to the whole of his
time.

Mr. MULLINGS did not think it would be proper,
under the circumstances, to reduce the salary in the pre-
sent year.
Captain SCOBELL withdrew his amendment until the
second. salary of 3,0001. came before the house,
Colonel BLAIR remarked, that in all garrisons abroad
money was given that the Roman Catholic solders might
attend the worship of their church.
Mr. PELLATT would vote against the payment of the
Protestant chaplain.
Mr. DRUMMOND said, that if the Government selected
a Roman Catholic chaplain for Hong Kong or any other gar-
rison abroad, he would probably be objected to by the
ecclesiastical authorities of his church. So long as the
Church of England was connected with the State, the Go-
vernment could appoint no ecclesiastical persons except
they belonged to the Established Church. (Hear.)
After a short conversation,
Mr. MAGUIRE said that 33 hon. members had just
voted against a similar grant, and he expected a larger
number now, because the vote was doublo tho amount.
(A laugh.)
The committee then divided—
For the amendment
Against it

Majority 44
The vote was then agreed to.
The following votes were also agreed to :-
2,300/. for establishments at Labuan.
17,3961. for the Emigration Board and officers.
21,2111. for the support of captured and liberated
negroes. _ _

8,850/. for the mixed commissions for the suppression of
the slave trade.

On the question that the sum of 148,0331. be granted
for defraying the expense of the consular establishments
abroad,

Captain SCOBELL moved that the salary which the
Governor of Hong Kong received as Superintendent of
Trade at that place should be reduced by 1,5001.
Lord PALMERSTON informed the committee that
whoa the Chinese trade was first thrown open an arrange-
ment was made, on the suggestion of the East India Com-
pany, by which three superintendents were established in
China, one with a salary of 6,0001., another with one of
4,0001., and the third with ono of 2,0001. When we ob-
tained possession of the island of Hong Kong the Govern-
ment made what was thought to be an economical arrange-
ment ; they abolished two of the superintendents of trade,
and gave to the one who remained only half the salary en-
joyed by the first superintendent under the previous ar-
rangement, and combined the office with that of Gover-
nor of Hong Kong. The duties of Superintendent at
Kong Kong were of an arduous and multifarious charac-
ter ;they were likewise extremely important. In point
of fact, he was the British Plenipotentiary in that part
of the world, as well as the Chief Director of Trade. If
the Government of China had to transact any business
with us, it would be done through the medium of the Go-
vernor of Hong Kong in his capacity of Superintendent of
Trade. Taking these circumstances into consideration, it
was his opinion that the Superintendent's salary was not
more than ought to be assigned to him. Hon. members,
also, should not lose sight of the fact that the climate of
China was exceedingly injurious to a British constitution.
In the period during which he had the honour to conduct
the foreign affairs of the country, he had to lament the loss
of several most promising officers who fell victims to the
Chinese climate, while many others were compelled by ill-
ness to return home. When the Government was about to
fix the salaries of the superior officers in China, he felt it
his duty to inquire what salaries were paid by commercial
establishments to their agents in that country, and he
found that they chief
exceeded those which were finally
assigned to our chief officers.

Mr. WILLIAMS remarked that the noble lord's obser-
vations applied equally to all our Chinese establishments,
and yet there was no officer in any of them who wvs paid
in the same extravagant way as the Superintendent of
Trade at Hong Kong. The hon. member then suggested ,
that it was desirable to get rid of attaches generally, and '
declared that he saw no occasion for maintaining consuls
at Paris, Madrid, and other inland capitals.
After a short discussion, the committee divided—
For the amentment
Against it
Majority.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS called attention to the charges for
"postages" and "journeys on public service" put down for
our Minister at Wurtemberg. What services a Minister
at Wurtemberg could perform he did not understand, nor
did he see any use in having Ministers at all at such petty
Governments as these. We had a Minister not only at
Wurtemberg, but at Hanover and Saxony. All these
Governments were represented at Frankfort, and ho
thought Germany would be sufficiently attended to if we
had representatives at Frankfort, Austria, and Prussia.
(Hear, hoar.)
Lord PALMERSTON said that the charge for postage
had reference to the communications between the mission
at Wurtemberg and the Foreign-office. The Minister at
Wurtemberg was accredited also to the Court of Baden,
and necessarily had at times to go to the latter Court, anti
he presumed that the journeys to which the hon. member
referred were thus to be accounted for. With respect to
the question generally, of having diplomatic relations with
the smaller Courts of Germany, the hon. gentleman seemed
to underrate the value and importance of that matter.
Having had some years' experience in connexion with the
subject, he could assure the house that it was important
for this country to have these means of diplomatic inter-
course
with the various members of the Germanic body.
Our Minister at Frankfort could not serve the same pm,er
pose, for ho was accredited to the Diet, and the repesenta-
tives of the German powers at the Diet, though having
power to deal with German interests in the aggre-
gate, could not discuss the concerns of the separate and in-
dependent bodies to which they belonged. The Government
of this country had occasionally obtained important infor-
mation from the smaller Courts of matters which regarded
the greater I'owers.
Captain SCOBELL said, that last year a considerable
discussion took place respecting the item for the ambassa-
dor's chaplain at Constantinople, and the then Chancellor
of the Exchequer withdrew it in deference to the feeling
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charged a considerable sum
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Lord PALMERSTON replied, that he was not able to
state tho precise condition of the negotiation ; but the ques-

tion was one of great interest and considerable difficulty.
The slave States in the south of the American Union had
passed laws, which he should ferhcar from characterising,
but the result of which was that any man of colour belong-
ing to the crew of any ship which arrived at a port it a
slave State was immediately arrested, and kept in gaol so
long as the vessel remained in the port. The British Go-
vernment for a long course of time had represented to the
Government of the United States that such a proceedi-ig
was a violation of treaties with the Union at large. That
assertion had not, ho believed, been denied by the Federal
Government, but the constitution of the United States was
such that the action of the Federal Government on the
separate States was next to nothing ; and it had been fairly
represented to the British Government by the Federal Go-
vernment that to insist on the repeal of those laws under
which the proceedings in question took place, and which,
whatever they in England might think of them, arose out of
the feelings of the local States, would raise questions be-
tween those States and the Federal Government which
would be exceedingly inconvenient, if not destructive, to the
Union. (Hear, hear.) The British Consul at Charleston,
by instructions from his Government, had entered into
communication wiih the local Government for the purpose
of obtaining certain modifications of the obnoxious laws,
but up to the time when he (Lord Palmerston) left the
Foreign-office, he knew that the negotiations bad not led
to any satisfactory result ; and he much feared, though ho
was not precisely informed on the subject, that they had
not ended in any desirable arrangement. Nevertheless the
attention of the Government, ho was confident, was still
directed to the subject, and no efforts would be omitted
calculated to establish a more satisfactory state of things.
(Hear, hear.)
Lord 1). STUART thought that what had fallen from
the noble lord showed the importance of England having
an ambassador at Constantinople. Had our ambassador
been there a short time back, probably the affair of Monte-
negro would have been decided less unfavourably to the
interests of the Turkish empire. (Hear.) He hoi;ed they
should see from information that must, sooner or later, be
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Mr. PELLATT wished to ask the noble lord how it was
that so large a sum as 1,6351. Bs. 4d. appeared in the mis-
cellaneous charges connected with the Spanish embassy
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that there were some extra expenses connectedwith the
mission to Spain. The expenses connected with the mis-
sion were of two kinds; the one consisted of the fixed
sala-
ries of the Minister and those who were attached tothoembassy ; the other of extraordinary or incidental expenses
—such as postage, messages, &c., which varied from time
to time.

The vote was then agreed to, as were also the follow-
ing :-_—___._
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132,9801. for superannuation and retired allowances.
2,9671. for Toulonese and Corsican emigrants.
2,000/. for the Vaccine establishment.
3251. for the Refuge of the Destitute.
On a vote of 4,2801. being proposed for the subsistence of
Polish refugees, and allowances to diAtressed Spaniards,
Mr. REPTON moved as an amendment that 2,0001. be
substituted for 3,0001., as the relief to be given to Polish
refugees.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was
not cognisant of the arrangements connected with the
origin of this grant ; but there was a diminution of the
grant, and he believed there would be a further diminution
of it in future years.
Lord PALMERSTON said, with regard to the Polish
refugees, he thought this arrangement was made, that no
addition was to be made to the number relieved out of the
fund. Those refugees came here in great distress ; many
of them were very deserving persons, and totally dependent
for subsistence on the very small amount doled out to them
out of this sum ; and he knew the Government of which
he was formerly a member made this arrangement—that
those who were upon the list should continue to receive
their allowances so long as they remained in this country ;
but if they went away they lost their allowances, and did
not receive them in the event of their returning ; and that
no new names should be put upon the list. The vote was,
therefore, in the course of gradual diminution.
Lord 1). STUART related the circumstances under which
the grant originated ; and submitted that after the house
had taught the subjects of the grant to depend upon it, by
renewing it from year to year, it would be hard to deprive
them of it now.
Mr. HINDLEY opposed the vote on the ground that it
was hard that the working classes of this country should bo
taxed for such a purpose.
Mr. BLACKETT thought, on the other hand, if the
working classes were polled, a vast majority of them would
be found to be in favour of continuing this relief to a meri-
torious but unfortunate class of individuals, for their suf-
ferings in a cause which must be dear to every English-
man. (Hear.)
Sir W. JOLIFFE hoped that, ore long, they should
hear no more of grants like this. He trusted that England
would always oifer an asylum to political refugees, but
that that house would cease to subsidise them.
Mr. REPTON declined to divide the committee, and
the vote was agreed to.

On a vote of 4,4691. being proposed to pay miscellaneous
allowances formerly defrayed from the Civil List, for which
no permanent provision had been made by Parliament,
Sir J. SHELLEY•asked for explanation as to the charge
bf 4001. for the college of St. David's, Lampeter ; and the
annuity of 5001. granted by King arles 11. to the ances-
tor of the late Sir Thomas Clarges, in fee, and• charged
upon the coal
dues.
The
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
item of 4001. for St. David's College came under the head
of charges removed from the Civil List of 1831. With re-
spect to the annuity granted by Charles 11. to the ances-
tor of the late Sir Thomas Clarges, the same observation
was applicable. The coal duties had been relieved of it,
and it was now placed under the head of Miscellaneous
Charges.
Mr. MIALL wished the Chanccllor of the Exchequer to
explain the items in this vote of " the Bishop of Chester
for stipends of two preachers in Lancashire, 921. 168 ;" and
" Minister of the Gaelic Church at Cromarty, stipend paid
for some years from civil contingencies, 1001."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said these
were charges which had been upon the votes for a consi-
derable number of years, and at a previous period detailed
explanations of them had been printed with the votes, as
the honourable member might have seen on a reference to
these votes.

Mr. HINDLEY suggested that it would be desirable
that the house should have the names of the poor
French refugee clergy," to whom 700/. of this vote was
allotted.
Mr. BRIGHT thought the proposition to furnish the
names of the gentlemen in question a reasonable one.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had
no objection to produce their names, if the hon. member
for Ashton (Mr. Hindley) would make a motion with that
view.

Mr. VERNON SMITH hoped the Chancellor of the
Exchequer would recal his permission to produce the
names of the French refugee clergy, for to publish the
names of those poor persons would be to take away the
grace which now attached' to our charity towards them.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER coincided
with the feeling of his right hon. friend (Mr. V. Smith)
on this point, and ventured to hope that the hon. member
for Ashton (Mr. Hindley) would abstain from moving for
the production of the names in question, he (the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer) promising to satisfy himself that
there was no fraud committed on the Government in this
matter.

The vote was then agreed to.
On the vote of 1,4601. to defray the expense of the
Foundling Hospital department of the House of Industry,
Mr. VA.NCE complained of a deductioa of 10 per cent.
from former votes for the hospitals in Dublin. This was a
breach of the agreement made at the time of the union,
that the same amount of assistance should be afforded to
the public hospitals as was granted by the Irish Parlia-
ment. His hon. colleague had given notice of a motion for
a select committee to inquire into the whole subject of the
Dublin hospitals, and he suggested that the present vote
should be postponed until after the inquiry of the com-
mittee.

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upon a different footing.
Colonel DUNNE said that the greater number of the
hospitals in Dublin were handed over at the time of the
union on the condition that they should be supported by
this country. The revenue of Ireland had been taken, its
taxation had been doubled, its debt increased, and it was
now proposed that the benefits to which the country was
fairly entitled should be withdrawn.
The vote was then agreed to, as were also the following :-
10,2901. for the House of Industry, Dublin.
600/. for the Female Orphan Asylum.
1,350/. for the Westmoreland Lock Hospital.
6001. for the Lying-in Hospital.
9451. for Dr. Steevens' Hospital.
, 2,2801. for the Fever Hospital.
300/. for. the Hospital of Incurables.
On the motion to vote a sum of 38,4921. for non-con-
forming and other dissentinc, ministers in Ireland,
Sir J. SHELLEY moved that the vote be expunged.
Mr. BRIGHT said that having been in the north of Ire-
land some time since he had an opportunity ofj making in-
quiries as to the working of these grants, he found that it
was in many respects unsatisfactory. He would not enter
into the general objection to these grants, nor into the
objection to the present grant as regarded Ireland particu-
larly, further than to say that the Presbyterians were more
numerous in the north of Ireland than the members of the
Established Church, and were in a more comfortable con-
dition than the average population of Ireland, so that no
ground existed for this grant, which did not apply with
tenfold more force with respect to the Roman Catholic
population. (Hoar, hear.) The plan pursued in the north
of Ireland in reference to these grants of money, aid ho
had the statement from a gentleman of strict veracity, was
this. If twelve heads of families seceded from any existing
denomination and formed themselves into a separate con-
gregation, they, on certifying that they had. subscribed
between them 35/. for the payment of a minister, applied
to the Government for a sum out of the Regium
which sum varied from between sevemty and ninety pounds.
Nothing could be more calculated than such asystem
ora
lower the tone both of public and privat‘rn
But the fact was, the grant was made to muzzle
(Hear.)
i
Presby-
terians of Ireland in order that they might not raise a
bark or a howl in harmony with their f
Roman Catholics, against the Establishedellow-citizens, the
—and it was mosediscreditable to them Church--(hear)
this large sum of money annually, to consent to receive
consi-
dered in no other light than Y) which could be
from remonstrating against the: a bribe to prevent them
Estab-
lished Church in that count existence of the a Presbyterian he would usel4Y. (Hear, hear.) If he were
he did in reference to thismuch stronger language than
greatest importance that grant.
He thought it of the
be established. between complete religious justice should
But if the Government sects in Ireland. (Hear, hear.)
grant now, he hoped were not prepared to abolish this
made larger inthey would say that it would not be
50,0001.
more,
future, because if the 38,000/. became
there would be greater difficulty
deal-
ing with the question at a future time. (Hear, hear.)
This would give considerable satisfaction, because it would
show that the object of the Government was to establish
religious equality in Ireland. (Hear, hear.)
Lord C. HAMILTON did not think the hon. member
for Manchester was justified as a man of peace and on ano-
nymous authority in charging the Presbyterians of Ire-
land with deliberate -fraud and swindling of the public
money by making false representations as to the amount
of subscriptions received from the congregations. (Hear,
hear.) He thought that a feeling of propriety and,: self-ye-
spect would have prevented
the hon. member
arging
a religious body with such gross and degrading from
acts, with-
out at least bringing forward souse evidence in support, of
them.
Sir W. CLAY regretted to find himself under the neces-
. city of supporting the amendment in consequence of the

Maynooth vote of last night. (Hear, hear.) There was
ni argument for this vote, which did not exist, even in a
stronger degree, in favour of the vote which they rejected
las:, night. (Hear.) He looked upon the vote of last night
ise one.of in aTli te importance, and one which would form
an era in their future discussions. •
Sir J. YOUNG thought that the hon. gentleman laid too
much ,tress on tile vote of last night. (Hear.) Ho re-
rretted the decision to which the counnittee had come, but
he regarded it as a warning that ought to be avoided,
in-
sfead.of au example to be followed. (Hear.) He believed
that it was only a small minority of the country which
de-
sired to see public support withdrawn from all ecclesiastical
establishments whatever. (Hear.) He hoped the com-
mittee on this occasion would not follow the example of
Last night. This grant was one of old standing. The hon.
member for Manchester had asked fora p ledge that it
should not be increased. He (Sir J. Young) did not think
it would be right to give any pledge one way or tk_ e
lookingother.
, and
The vote came before Parliament every year
at the numbers of the Presbyterian body, and their pro-
bable wants, he did not think it desirable to say
forythatan
the
grant shout,. not be increased if cause was shown
increase. His own opinion was, he owned, in direct oppo-
sition to that of those who held that there should be no
religious endowments. He believed that if to-morrow they
were to decide that there should be'
none
• if they were to
get rid of the grant to Maynooth,
of theßegium, Donunt,
and of the Established Church, instead of such a course
conducing to the good of the State, the moral and social
condition of the people would suffer, and not many years
would elapse before the very knowledge and name of religion
die out. (Oh.) He did not believe that either
worldancient or modern history- afforded a good example of a
state which was not in alliance With. a church. The case
of America, which was so much relied upon, was not one
on which much reliance could be placed ; and he was cer-
thinly of opinion that the endowment of religion by the
state was indispensable to the spread of religion and of re-
ligious knowledge among the people. (Oh, oh.) That
was his opinion. (Hear.) The hon. gentleman (Mr.
Bright) said the State muzzled the Presbyterians. He cer-
tainly made a sort of apology for the term.
Mr. BRIGHT begged pardon—he did not make any
apology for it. (Hear, hear.)
Sir J. YOUNG continued—Well, the hon. gentleman
said that if he belonged to the same communion that they
did, he should have used stronger terms. He (Sir J.
Young) did not know what terms the hon. gentleman
would have used had he been a Presbyterian—(laughter)
—but ho must say he construed what he said in this light
only, that the effect of endowing a religious denomination
was to bring it into closer relations with the State, and to
make it view the proceeding of the State with more favour
than it would do if it were not in such alliance, and that
the hon. gentleman believed to be one of the main reasons
why statesmen in general had upheld religious endowments.
(Hear, hear, from Mr. Bright.) Well, he (Sir J. Young)
was not prepared to say that that was not a good reason—
(hear, hear)—it had certainly influenced some of the wisest
statesmen. It was impossible to view the Regium, Donum
as a bribe to the Presbyterian body—it was perhaps not
more than a shilling a head ; but he believed that if it
were taken away they would be greatly dissatisfied, and
that the step was one which any wise statesman would de-
sire to avoid. (Hear, hear.) There was everythingto be
said, as it appeared to him, in favour of the grant. Having
said thus much, he would leave the grant in the hands of
the committee, and he trusted the amentment would be
withdrawn. (Hear.)
Mr. COBDEN said the noble lord the member for
Tyrone (Lord C. Hamilton) on rising to reply to his hon.
friend the member for Manchester (Mr. Bright) was in
that state of excitement in which he often found himself
when addressing that house—an excitement which often
led people into the use of words of indiscretion for which
they should not always be held responsible. (Laughter.)
Otherwise he (Mr. Cobden) should have said there
was something rather unparliamentary in the words in
which the noble lord had called his honourable friend to
task for having referred to an anonymous authority in
that house. His honourable friend did what every man in
that house was in the habit of doing, he made a statement
on his own authority ; and he (Mr. Cobden) had yet to
learn that any hon. member who made a statement of facts
which came within his own knowledge was liable to the
charge of making anonymous or slanderous imputations
upon anybody. (Hear, hear.) Now, there were two ways
of doing justice to the people of Ireland—two ways, he
meant, of doing political justice. Though they might ob-
ject to legislate on religious matters, if they were in favour
of endowments at all, he thought they must make up their
minds to endow all. (Cheers.) That had been very much
the case. Little crumbs from the table of the great Esta-
blishment had been allowed to fall to the lot of the Pres-
byterians, the Roman Catholics, and others. But now it
seemed that they were to maintain the privileges of the
Established Church, and that Roman Catholics were not to
be allowed to participate in endowments. (Hear, hear.)
• After certain recent votes in that house—after the vote of
the previous night on the Maynooth question, from which
he exceedingly regretted his casual absence— after the ex-
hibition of tendencies which would lead rapidly to the re-
peal of the Emancipation Act if some hon. gentlemen could
have their way—after all this, he said, it behoved not
merely Dissenters and Roman Catholics, but Churchmen
who were disposed to see justice done to all parts of the
country, as the majority of that house appeared determined
that Roman Catholics should not have the smallest modi-
cum of endowment by an act of the Legislature—every
liberal and right-minded Churchman—every man who
went to Church, but was nevertheless disposed to do jus-
tice to those who attended other places of worship, must
make up his mind to co-operate with those who were dis-
posed to abolish all State endowments whatever. (Loud
cheers.) He would on that occasion vote with his hon.
friend against this grant for the Presbyterians of Ireland ;
and seeinc, that the house would not allow any grant to the
Roman Catholics of that country, he would join on every
occasion in anything which could tend to bring all to a per-
fect footing of equality in such matters. (Loud cheers.)
Lord J. RUSSELL--The hon. member for North War-
wickshire (Mr. Spooner) stated last night, with regard to
one of the divisions, that he did not very well know what
he was voting for. I am afraid that that description would
apply not only to the first division which was taken, but
also to the second, in which his deliberate purpose was to
refuse a sum for the repairs of Maynooth College. (Hear.)
I am very much afraid that the hon. member was not aware
of the purport and tendency of the vote which he gave ;
he may, perhaps, after hearing the speech of the hon.
member for the Tower Hamlets, and that of the hon. mem-
ber who has just spoken—he may now, I say, begin to have
some notion of the tendency of his vote. (Ministerial
cheers.) I must say that I think those hon. gentlemen
have exhibited the effect of that vote. The meaning of
what was done must be read by the light, not only of the
the debate of last night, but by a vote which was given
a. considerable time ago on the question of Maynooth itself,
when the hon. gentleman proposed altogether to abolish the
Maynooth grant by repealing the act of Parliament which
established it. It will be remembered that the house re-
fused to concur with the bon. gentleman, and maintained
the act by which Maynooth was established. The effect
of the hon. gentleman's vote of last night is, I think, very
grave. It is this, that the college remaining the same,, the
endowment given by act of Parliament remaining the
same, the hon. gentleman says that the theological errors
of the managers are so great, the doctrines they teach are
so dangerous, that they shall not be allowed to have their
windows repaired--(laughter)—and if the roof is out of re-
pair, the rain and snow shall be allowed to come in upon
their beds ; until they adopt better opinions, they shall not
be allowed to live comfortably. It was certainly a very odd
vote for this house to come to • but be it observed it in no
way impairs the act of Parliament by which Maynooth
was endowed. It was perhaps an error, but it cer-
tainly could not have been foreseen that the question of
necessary repairs would be made an occasion of entering on
the whole question of religious endowments. (Hear, hear.)
But, sir, the effect of the vote has been to induce many
persons who would not otherwise have ventured on that
course of policy, to say that if such is the injustice with
which one portion of the people of Ireland are to be treated,
it would be best to get rid of religious endowments alto-
gether. (Hear, hear.) I must say that I think that is a
very precipitate conclusion, and it is one to which I am
not only, not prepared to come, but which I shall do my
best to resist. (Hear, hear.) Although it would be un-
wise to propose in the present year, even if the forms of
the house would allow it, any further estimate for the
repairs of Maynooth, yet it will be the duty of the Govern-
ment to see in what way provision can be made for that
purpose. The general policy of maiutaing Maynooth has
been settled by all the states of the realm ; it is a policy
which this house has refused to overthrow or to impair in
the course of the present session. (Hear, hear.) At the
same time, it is impossible not to see that the tendency of
such votes as were given last night is not simply to express
disapproval of Roman Catholic doctrine, but a tendency to
shake the general principle that religious endowments
ought to be maintained. (Hear, hear.) Now as I believe
with my right hon. friend the Secretary for Ireland that
religious endowments are of very great use to a nation, as
I should be quite willing to vote, if there were an occasion
for it, for grants to Roman Catholics, not only with respect
to Maynooth, but with respect to other subjects—if there
were any occasion for it—l certainly do hope the house
will not come tolhe same conclusion as the hon. gentleman
(Mr. Spooner) opposite. With respect to the vote under
discussion, I look upon it as a vote in favour of law and
order, and shall therefore cordially support it, trusting that
. the house will not repeat its conduct of last evening towards
the Roman Catholics by similar acts of hostility to-night to
the Presbyterians.
Mr. SPOONER would not alter his course, whatever
might be the consequences. He approved of the principle
of a State Church, but even probable consequences to that
church should not deter him from what he considered to
be a proper course. Nothing should induce him to give
his sanction to a religion which he believed to be contrary
to the word of God and completely subversive of good go-
vernment in this country. He should always vote against
Maynooth, and on the present occasion would vote with the
noble lord.

Mr. FOX supported the vote, but declined for the Pres-
byterians to accept it as a reward for loyalty. Vote or no
vote their loyalty would still be the same.

Mr. HAS-TIE (Paisley) said that the vote was
south-
ern avery
small sum compared to the thousands spent in
counties of Ireland to keep the people in order. He
should COT tainly vote in favour of it. ,
Mr. MAGUIRE defended the south of Ireland, and said
that the committee on crime and outrage had given the bad
eminence to tho northern provinces. He did not mean,
however, to taunt the Presbyterians on that account. Hav-
ing complained of the mischief caused by Lord J. Russell's
" :Durham letter," the hon. member concluded by stating
his intention to vote for the grant.
Il M
had nevr. M. O'CONNELL should vote against the grant.
e er voted for the Maynooth grant, except once,
and that WU on the motion of the hon. member for North
Warwickshire.
Mr. NEWDECI-A-TE who spoke amid loud and repeated
cries of " divide !" WaR understood to say that he could
perceive no change in the feelings of members of the house
as to the necessity of religious endowments, either on the
ere side or the other. The view of the hon. member for
the West Riding as to political justice, nor to dermide those
institutions which conducted to peace, der, and the well-
being of the country. He (Mr. Newdegate) had opposed
the Maynooth grant because he believed it did not conduce
to slat result, but festrongly that the Presbyterian
g"
-1 tnt3 Mr. M`MAIION wished to call attention to the fact that
the committee had not divided on the previous religious

grants passed during the evening relating to the colonies,
and by dividing on this they wore carrying out the illus.
tration of their principle towards Ireland alone.
Tho committee divided—

Ayes

No-c 3

181
46

Majority. 135
The vote was then passod, and the house resumed.
HACKNEY CARRIAGES BILL.
The house then went into committee on this bill.
On the Ist clause,
Lord D. STUART asked his bon, friend who had charge

of this bill whether he would proceed with the bill at that
hour.? (" Yes," and "Go on.") He (Lord D. Stuart)
had somo amendments to propose, and on one of them he
should take the sense of the committee. (" Go on.") Well,
then, he would proceed to state some objections to the first
clause. The noble lord then stated his objectie to the
power which was given to the Commissioners of Police on
the licensing and inspection of hackney carriages, and that
without any power of appeal, and contended ti:at it was
never intended to give such judicial powers to the Com-
missioners of Police ; but that their functions were to be
wholly ministerial. An appeal to Quarter Sessions had
been objected to, and he would, therefore, propose an ap-
peal to a county court, as causing less delay. This he
would submit as an amendment to clause 2.
Mr. HINDLEY moved an amendment with the view of
establishing two classes of cabs in the metropolis, a first-
class and a second class, the fare of the former to be at the
rate of 9d. a mile, and that of the latter at 6d.
At the suggestion of Mr. FITZROY, the hon. member
withdrew his amendment until the bringing up of the
report.

After a few words from Mr. B. CARTER,
Colonel KNOX said that the great principle in his opi-
nion was to have one tariff, and one tariff only. (Hear.)
He had been credibly informed that there were companies
now ready to start the best cabs and horses at the rate of
6d. a mile. The experiment had been tried already, but it
had been defeated by a combination of the cab drivers.
Clause 1 was then agreed to.
On clause 2,

Mr. HINDiEY proposed an amendment, the effect of
which would be to render the owners of cabs liable to an
immediate withdrawal of their licence on the eab or horse
being found in a state unfit for use, without the preliminary
warning provided by the clause.
The amendment was negatived without a division.
Lord DUDLEY STUART moved a proviso, giving a
power of appeal to a county-court judge against the deci-
sion of any commissioner of police who may have suspended
or withdrawn a licence.

Mr. FITZROY objected to an appeal to a county-court
judge, but expressed himself willing to insert words re-
quiring the commissioners of police to report every case of
the suspension of a licence to one of her Majesty's prin-
cipal Secretaries of State, stating the grounds of his
decision,

After a few words from Colonel KNOX, tho committee
divided upon Lord Dudley Stuart's amendment, when the
numbers were—
For the amendment
Against it
Majority

-60

The amendment was therefore lost, and the clause was
then agreed to.
Clauses 3 to 9, inclusive, were agreed to without oppo-
sition.
On clause 10, enacting that a hackney cab driver should
carry a " reasonable amount of luggage" without extra
charge,
Mr. WALPOLE asked what was meant by " a reason-
able amount of luggage ?"
Mr. FITZROY said that must be left to the decision
of a police magistrate, in case of any dispute. He found
these words existing in the local acts relating to this sub-
ject in the large towns. He thought it would be best to
leave the matter thus, than to fix the precise weight of
luggage which was to be carried. •
The clause was then agreed to.
The remaining clauses of the bill were then agreed to.
The house then resumed, and the bill was ordered to be
reported on Monday next.
BERWICK ELECTION.

Sir W. JOLLIFFE moved that the minutes of the evi-
dence taken before the select committee on the Berwick-
upon-Tweed election be printed. The honourable baronet
also suggested that the honourable member for Bridport
(Mr. Mitchell) should leave to the general committee of
elections the nomination of the members to serve on the
select committee in the case of this borough, which was
obtained at the instance of the honourable member pre-
vious to the Whitsuntide recess.

Mr. MITCHELL said he had no objection to leave the
nomination of the committee to the general committee of
elections, provided the honourable baronet (Sir W.
Jolliffe) made a motion to that effect on Monday next ;
but in the event of his failing to do that, he (Mr. Mitchell)
would nominate the committee himself.

The motion was agreed to, and the house adjourned at
half-past two o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVSHON.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-MAY 20.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of
Commons. )
I • (In Committbe of Supply.)
Motion made, and Question put,—" That a sum, not ex-
ceeding 38,4921., be granted to her Majesty, to defray. the
expense of Non-conforming, Seceding, and Protestant Dis-
senting Ministers in Ireland, to the 31st day of March,
1854 :' —The Committee divided; Ayes, 181, Noes 46.
MAJORITY—AYES, 181.
Acland, Sir T. Greaves, Edward Paget, Lord Alfred
A'Court, C. Greene, T. Packenham, E.
Aglionby, H. A. Gregson, Samuel Palmer, R.
Annesley, Earl of Grey, Sir G. Palmerston, Viscount
Atherton, Wm. Gwyn, Howel Parker, R. Townley
Baines, M. T. Hamilton, Lord C. Patten, J.
Ball, John. Hamilton, Geo. A. Peel Frederick
Baldcock, E. H. Ilancner, Sir John Peel, Colonel
Baring,'Sir F. llardinge, Charles S. Philipps, J. H.
Baring, T. nestle, Archibald Fhillimore, R.
1 Beaumont. W. B. Hayes, Sir E. Phinn, T.
' Bentinck, G. P. Heard, J, Powlett, Lord W.
Berkeley. Admiral Heathcoate, Sir G. Ramsden, Sir J.
Blair, Colonel Herbert, Sidney Repton, G. W J.
Bland, L. Hervey, Lord Alfred Robertson, P. F.
Bolder°, Colonel Howard, W. G. Bolt. P.
Bonham-Carter, John Hudson. George Rumbold, C. E.
Booth, Sir R. Hume,W.Fitzwilliam Russell, LordJ.
Boyle, Col. Hutt, William Russell. F. W.
Brady, J. Ingham, Robert Sadleir, J.
Bramston, T. W. Jermyn, Earl Saudars, G..
Brand, 11. Johnstone, Sir J. Sawle, C. B. G.
Brooke, Sir A. Jolliffe, Sir W. G.II. Scully, Francis
Brown, William Jones, Captain Seaham, Lord.
Bruce, Lord E. Keating, Robert Seymer, H. K.
Butt, Geo. Medd Kendall, N. Shaft°. It. D.
Butt, Isaac King, James King Slice, W.
Byng, G. H. C. Kingscote, R. N. F. Smith, Wm. M.
Cairns, ll.M'Cahnont Knox, Col. Smollett, A,
Cardwell, E. Lacon,,Sir E. Spooner, It.
Cavendish, George Langston, J. IT. Stephenson, Robert
Chaplin, W. J. Langton, H. G. Strutt, Edward
Charteris, F. Lawley, F. C. Stuart H.
Cockburn, Sir Alex. Lewis, Sir T. F. Taucred, Henry Wm,
Collier, Robert P. Liddell, H. G. Taylor, Col. -
Colville, C. It. Lowe, It. Thicknesse, R. A.
Conolly, Thomas Lowther. Colonel Tolleraache, John
Corry, H. L. Lowther, Captain Towneley, C.
Cowper, IV. Lucas, F. Townshend, Capt.
Crowder, R. Macartney, G. Turner, C.
Davies, D. A. S. Macgregor, James Tyler, Sir G.
Dent, J. SPM ahon, P. Vance, J.
Divett, Edward Maguire, J. F. Tillers, Hon. C.
Drumlanrig, Viscount Mains, Richard Walcott, Adm.
Duff, George Mast erman, J. Walpole, S 11.
Dunne, Col. Mettle, Colonel Walter, John
Egerton E. Mi nor. W. M. E. Wells, W.
Esmonde, J. Mitchell, T. A. West, Frederick R.
Easton, Earl Moffatt, G. Whitbread,-Samuel
Ferguson, Colonel Molesworth, Sir W. Wickham. 11. W.
Filmer, Sir Edmund Monck, Lord Wilmington, Sir T. B
Fitzroy, Henry Monsen, W. Wood, Sir C.
Foley, J. H. Moreton, Lord Woodd, B.
Forster, J. Morgan, C. R. Wrightson, W.
Fox, It. M Mostyn, E. M. Wynn, H.
Frewen, Charles Hay Mulgrave, Earl Wy line. Wm. W. E
Gladstone, William Mundy, W, Young, Sir John
Gladstone, Captain allure, Col.
Glyn, George Carr Newdegate, C.
Grace, 0. Norreys, Lord
Grahsm, Sir J. Osborne, Ralph Hayter, Hon. W.
Granby, Marquis of Ossuiston, Lord Berkeley, Grenville

TYLLIRIS.

MINORITY—NOES, 45.
Anderson, Sir James Gardner, R. Soho'Wield, W.
Bell, James Gooderich, Vis. Scobell, Captain
Biggs, William Goodman, S.r George Seymour, W. D.
Bright, John Greene, John Stuart, Lord D.
Brooklehurst, John Hadfield, George Talbot, C. R. M.
lif oilierton. Joseph Hall, Sir Benjamin Thornely, T.
Brown, Humphrey nestle, Alexander Wahnsley, Sir J.
Clay, Sir W. Hindley, Charles Whalley, G.
Cobbett, J. Morgan Hutchins, E. Wilkinson. W. A.
Cobden, Richard Kershaw, James Wilcox, B.
Craufurd, E. 11. J. Massey, W. N. WilLains, Thos. Peer
Crossley, F. Milligan, Robert 'Vise, A.
Duncan, G. Michell, W.
E wart, William Murrough, J. P.'
Forster. Charles O'Connell, Mau ice
Fox, W. J. Pechell, Sir George II iall, E.
Freestun, Colonel Pellatt Apsley Shelley. Sir J. V.

RAILWAY RETURNS:

TELLERS.

,STORTING INTELLIGENCE.

TATTERSIILL'S-(YESTERDAY)

Although only a few members were present, yet the
business that was transacted on the Derby was marked
by several alterations, especially amongst the outside
division.

1,000 to 20 was laid agst Brocket, and afterwards
1,000 to 25 taken-1,000 to 20 twice agst Hurworth;
and 50 to 1 each to small sums, agst Cheddar, Barbatus,
and Orinoco-1,000 to 5 agst Contentment, and 1,000
to 20 agst Lord Exeter's " lot."
The favourite showed further improvement-2 to 1
was taken once to 50/.-5 to 2 would have been taken
" to money"-17 to 2 was taken to 1001. about Honey-
wood and afterwards offered-9 to 1 about Pharos, and
the same about Sittingbourne ; the aggregate outlay,
however, was only moderate-13 to 1 was laid once to
1001. about Umbriel, but the disposition which was
shown to back him quickly raised him again to 12 to 1,
taken-14 to 1 was offered agst Cineas.

The quotations at the close were as follow :
THE DERBY.

9 to 4 agst Mr. Bowes's West Australian (t. sto 2)
17 to 2 Mr. Surtee's na. Honeywood (taken)
17 to 2 -Duke of Richmond's Pharos (9 to 1 t.)
9 to 1 - Duke of Bedford's Sittingbourne (t.)
12 to 1 - Baron Rothschild's Orestes (taken)
12 to 1 - Lord Derby's Umbriel (taken)
14 to 1 - Mr. Powney's Cineas (offered) '
20 to 1 Mr. Wilkins's Peggy (taken)
20 to 1 - Capt. Lane's Ninnyhammer (taken)
22 to 1 - Mr. Rogers's Jerry Kent (taken)
1000 to 25 - Mr. B. Way's Brocket (taken)
1000 to 20 - Mr. Jaques s Hurworth (taken)
50 to 1 - Lord Chfden's Cheddar (taken)

50 to 1 - Lord Glasgow's Barbatus (taken)
50 to 1 Mr. J. M. Stanley's Orinoco (taken)
1000 to 10 - Mr. Dorrien's Rattle (taken)
1000 to 5 Mr. J. M. Stanley's Contentment (t.)
1000 to 20 - Lord Exeter's Lot
500 even between Brooket and Barbatus.
600 to 400 on Cineas agst Ninnyhammer (taken)
OAKS.

3to 1 - Mr. S. Hawke's na. Mistletoe (taken)
7 to 2 - Mr. Wauchope's Catherine Hayes (t.)

MANCHESTER RACES, FRIDAY.

THE WILTON STAKES of 10 sous. each, h ft, with 50
added, for two and three-year-olds, the second to save
his stake. T.Y.C. 18 subs.
Mr. Copeland's The Field Marshal, by Touchstone,
2 yrs, 6st. 91b. (Wells) 1
Mr. Meiklam's The Hatchet, 3 yrs, 9st llb
(Templeman) 2
Mr. Taylor nd Czarina, 2 yrs, Est 61b (Ashman) 3
Mr. Osborne's Brown Brandy, 2 yrs, fist (J Osborne) 4
Betting-6 to 4on Brown Brandy, 2to 1 agst The
Hatchet, 4 to 1 agst The Field Marshal, sto 1 agst
Czarina.

The Field Marshal jumped off with the lead, was
never headed, and won cleverly by a length ; half a
length each between 2nd, 3d, and 4th.

lIWO-TEAR-OLD SELLING STAKES of 5 sovs. each, with
40 added. T.Y.C.

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Mr. Barber's Amanda, by Annandale (Clements;
walked over.

The SALFORD BOROUGH CUP of 100 sovs. in specie, added
to a Handicap Sweepstakes of 10 sovs. each, 5 ft if
declared, &c. Winners extra. The owner of the
second horse to receive 25 sovs. out of the stakes.
One mile and a half. 63 subs, 32 of whom declared.
Mr. Harrison's Bing of Trumps, 4yrs, 7st 111 b.,
including 5 extra (Cartwright) 1
Mr. Dawson's Lerrywheut, 4yrs, 6st. 121 b (Aldcroft) 2
Mr. l'Anson's Braxey, 4 yrs, Est. 61b (Wells) 3
The following also ran :
Mr. Megson's Weathergage, 4 yrs, Bst. 91b. (Mar-

low), - V v
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0
Mr. G. Barton's The Little Fawn, 5 yrs, 7st. 21b.
(Dickson) 0
Lord Chesterfield's Jacqueline, 3 yrs, sst. 11b. (in-
cluding 5 lb. extra) carried sst. 31b (Ashmall) 0
Mr. Powell's Ann Page, 3 yrs, 4st. 101 b. (J. Steggles) 0
Betting-2 to 1 agst King of Trumps-3 to 1 agst
Jacqueline-5 to 1 agst Anne Page-5 to 1 agst Lerry-
wheut-6 to 1 agst Weathergage.
Little Fawn made the running at a strong pace to the
distance, where King of Trumps came out and won by a
length. Two lengths between second and third; Jac-
queline was fourth, and Anne Page fifth.
GRAND STAND PLATE.

Taly (Wells) 1
Honesty (Clements) 2
Ten ran.
501. PLATE. One mile and three-quarters.
Mr. Johbstone's b. f. by Verulam out of Sharston's dam,
3 yrs, (Aldcroft). Walked over.

HANDICAP STAKES of 3 sovs. each, with 30 added, for
the beaten horses. One mile and a distance.
Jack Leeming
Braxey

Four ran.

TRADESMEN'S Cop.—The objection against Chief Jus-
tice was withdrawn.

PRESENTATION OF PLATE TO MR. LTE.-011 Thursday
evening, at the Post-office Hotel, Manchester, the veteran
" Toomy" was presented with a service of plate, of the
value of sixty-two guineas, in token of the high respect
with which his long services on the turf were regarded.

HARPENDEN RACES.-FRIDAY.
TWO-YEAR-OLD STAKES.

Balmoral
Lioness .

HARPENDEN HANDICAP.

Young England
Economy

LADIES' PURSE.

Thirkleby
IVlassaroni
Rosa

TALLY-HO STAKES.

Perjury i
Whippersnapper

SCURRY STAKES.

Nightshade .
Tittle-Tattlo

13 ran.
THE CUP.

Old Sara - - -
The last race run at eight o'clock.