The Sun.
London, England, 1853-08-09 00:00:00

MPERiA.I PARLIAKENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—(THIS DAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords' amendments to the West Cornwall Rail-
way, and the Bayswater, Paddington, and Holborn-
bridge Railway Bills were considered and agreed to.
Chaytor's Estate Bill was read a third time and
passed.

the reports upon the Pemberton Estate and East
Indian Railway Bills were considered and agreed to.
The last bill was read a third time and passed.
PETERBOROUGH ELECTION COMMITTEE.
The members appointed to serve on this committee
were called to the table and sworn. They sit to-morrow
at 11 o'clock.

PETITIONS.
Mr. HADFIELD presented two petitions from York-
shire against the Government Education Bill.
Mr. HEADLAM presented a petition from the pro-
moters, managers, and friends of the system of national
education in Ireland, praying the house to preserve its
religious element.
Mr. KINNAIRD presented a petition from all classes
of Christians in India, against the grant to the temple
of Juggernaut.

HARWICH ELECTION.
The SPEAKER said he had received an intimation
that it was not intended to proceed with the petition
against the return of Mr. Bagshaw for Harwich.
OR the the motion of an Hon. MEMBER, the mem-
bers of the committee were ordered to be discharged.
SOUTH SEA AND OTHER ANNUITIES (PRO-
VISION FOR PAYMENT, &c.) BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.

TRANSPORTATION BILL.
St.
The house then went committee on this bill, St.
On clause 1, St.
Lord PALMERSTON said there was no subject St.
more difficult and important than the question of punish- 12
went. In an earlier state of society crime produced in 50,
the minds of the community but one feeling—that of l(lit
resentment, and the object of punishment was simply ven-
-20
geance every kind of suffering which human ingenuity 14
inflict being awarded to criminals ; but as civilisation 50
Increased, and minor feelings prevailed in legislation and 20
Practice, the punishment of death was confined to 111
offences of the most serious and flagrant character, and 10
secondary punishment was adopted in the greater num- St.
!)er of cases. The question of secondary punishments St.
had always been one of extreme difficulty. It ought to E
be penal on the offender, and ought to deter, by example,
sSot.
others committing similar crimes, but, at the same
time, there should be combined with it the principle of 40
reformation. Hitherto, we had been enabled to dispose 25
of
criminals subjected to secondary punishment, by 25
transporting them to our extensive colonies after first st,
undergoing
a certain period of imprisonment at home. 812 s
e were now, however, under the necessity of altering St.
that system. The colonies to which persons were trans- St.
Ported had now become thriving and wealthy communities, 50
whose feelings led them to revolt against those places 23
being made the receptacle for criminals, who were 100'
deemed unfit to remain in the mother country. Whether Sot
they were right or not it was not for him to say, but as 25
we had conceded to the colonies self-government, we 50
Must submit to its consequence, and their refusal to re- 20
ceive criminals would of itself compel us to alter the
sYstere. Independently of that, a great event had hap- St
Petted in those colonies, which necessarily led to the 50
re-consideration of the existing system. When it turned St
out that those lands were places where wealth abounded, 14
beyond, perhaps, toe imagination of man, and where
the exercise of a small amount of manual labour was
likely to create a splendid fortune, it was quite clear they 2(
could not continue transportation to them any longer, be. 2(
cause it would be henceforth be looked upon as an actual 1(
reward instead of a punishment. The Government, there- St
fore, t )ok the subject into their consideration, and they
had determined to discontinue transportation, except to S
Western Australia. Then rose the question as to what
should be done with the great bulk of criminals who
were for the future not to be transported. It
was proposed by the Government to give them at the 1,
rPiration of a certain period, a ticket of leave not to go 2
abroad, but to remain here, and though, then, set at
1;1
artY, they would be liable to be called upon if their 1
conduct was not such as to warrant their remaining in 2
that condition. The great subject of reformation had not 2
been lost sight of. The Government did not think r:
that was by any means a hopeless object on consultation Er
with the parties who had charge of this department,
they found there would be means for giving these
Persons employment at wages on the public works
separate from convicss, thus placing them in this
Country in a similar situation to that which they had
occupied in the colonies. In this way he thought
they
c would smooth the passage from the condition
convict to that of a free and honest labourer.
This plan
of the Government would not entail any
Additional cost on counties, because they would feel it
their duty to provide all the necessary accommodation
anat the public expense. The bill had not resulted from
will or particular views of the Government, but was
rtrced en them by the course of events, and he thought
wkiweiala a mode of meeting the altered circumstances
he v'as the least open to objection. In conclusion,
stated • saving of the
Public in it would effect a considerable
oke
Mr INT A as compared with transportation.
f 'POLE rally agreed in what had fallen
gene
froth the ri
minor a andsuggested some
g, t hon. gentleman,
out, —"lin:lents in the bill. The plan he had sketched
, would notmerely abolish that which had been an
Inflicti
co on the colonies, but if vigorously and prudently
carried out, would materially lead to the reformation of
offenders.

(LEFT SITTING.)

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Atra. 8.
(Prom the Votes and Proceedings of the House of
Commons.

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CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL.
Another -amendment proposed, in p. 25; 1.d1.2„, aQftueersttihone
word " Oxford" to insert the word ' an
Put, " That the word ' and' be there inserted :"—The
house divided ; Ayes 65, Noes 70.
MINORITY—AYES, 65.
A'Court, C.
Adderley, C. Graham, Sir Jas.
Gregson, Samuel
Aglionhy, H. Grentell, (1.
Itt.nealtll:ejllo,hSnir Richard FFPeelle'yt tF,, J.
F ra n Williamc is
Booth, Sir ILSadleir, James
I I Hall,ea liCioraltlee,nsir Gin. Pl', ruiscsee'l 18, i.
Lordn John
Herbert, Sidney
touverie E. P. Hervey, Lord A. Sadleir, J.
BewYer, 'George Keogh, William Sawle, C. B. G.
t-°Yle, lion. Colonel Kinnaird, A. F. Scobell, Captain
lizotherton, Joseph Laneton, 11. G.
BrO°t'lvler',e'‘'Scully, F.
Shelley, Sir J. V.
Charlesalentine Locke, J.
Bruce, Lord E. Lowe, Robert Strut', Rt. lion. E
Luce, Thomas Thornhill, W.
eobtold,
William Maule, Colonel J. C. Mackinnon W. Villiers, Francis
',Ter,
CO , .
WAmsley, Sir J.
•,,
,avie, Sir H. Mills, T.
W
t 'Cho, Lord Michell, W. Wilson, J.
S. H. ,
t- erguson Sir Robert
smonde J. , John
Forster,
143 m oolnessewu o, r‘tvti
William
ISi
ai rinW' W. Wy
ooulg, , Sri r C .
'.3'• Mulgrave, Earl
Pre '
estun Colonel O'Connell, D.
, TELLICEO.
Gladstone, William Osbo-ne, Ralph Hayter, W. G.
3°°ld, W. Palmerston, Viscount Berkeley Grenville
MAJI iRITY—NOES, 70
it ...n.,, Captain Grogan, Edward Morgan,'Octavius
_arrow, Wm. H. Hadfield, George
tiggs, William Morris, D.
1111:11 icaallikdj:trat Colonel James
FF. Hamilton, Geo. A. Mowbray, J.
Headlam, Thomas E. North, Colonel
Heyweod, James O'Brien, Patrick
Heyworth, L. Pechell, Sir 0, B.
tertharn-Carter, J. Hutt, William Pellatt, Apsley
.redi,
t...uller , Sir J.Y. John roeki..'ehu' Ing r
ham, is obet Pilkington,lt James
Baler rs, Jo Joll iffe, Sir W . OZ. Potter, •
Kershaw, James Price, W. P.
Chambers, T.
Kirk, William Sandars, G..
c heeiham John Krnghtley, Rainald Scholefield, W.
Clive, R. '
Davies
33C,oueekk sw, ,eTHr. r Somers oAm esr s LI Ca
la
:- ax; d C,
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H. Sihthorp, Colonel
Spooner, Richard
Lucas, F.
, Sir J.. Macartney, G. Stuart, Lord Dudley
Dunne Col. Sullivan, M.
ieugnereta: Gol.
, Edward 31•Cann, J. Thompson, George
Macgregor, James James Vallee, J.
Wickham, Henry W
rgusen, Joseph Maims, Richard Wilkinson, W.
Forster Charles
l'ox, W.J.e 3 Martin, John
F Massey, W.
rew" C. H.
Milligan, R.
Qr,Weriell, Viscount Milner, W. M. E.
'''°C4lreen, Sir G. Mitchell, T.

TELLERS