The Sun.
London, England, 1853-10-08 00:00:00

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the Crown that unshackled-exercise
sary prerogative, which present cher,
the only possible safety for this realm."
came forward in this way because she
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to place their Government in so humili
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its degradation. (Hear, hear.) This was not a question <
between Russia and Turkey, but between Russia and Eng-
land ; and if they had never heard of the occupation of the
principalities, they should not be told that the English
trade would be stopped at the mouth of the Danube.
(Hear. hear.) He could tell them that the Turks did not
want their aid, and were more powerful than the Russians,
if they had not been interfered with by their conferences,
the result of which was that one party was allowed to do
nothing, and the other party was allowed to do everything.
(Hear, hear.) The following words of the poet were appli-
cable to the occasion :
" Disgusting crew ! Who would not gladly fly
To open, bold-faced, doWnright tyranny—
To honest guilt, that dares do all but lie—
From the false guggling craft of men like these ;
These holy leaguers, who then loudest boast
Of truth and honour when they stain them most
From whose affection men should shrink and loathe
As from their hate, for they'll be fleeced by both—
Who, even in plundering, forge religious name
To frank their • • ill, and, without fear or shame,
Call down the : oly Trinity to bless
Perdition, leagues and deeds of devilness
He should conclude with this sentence, and it would be
his last—that if one member of-the Cabinet was equally
responsible with his colleagues for this course of imbecile
infamy they had perpetrated, that man must be more eter-
nally damned than any English Minister ever deserved to
be—(loud laughter)—if he would accept the defence of his
noble friend, and say sneakingly, " I did not do it—it is
their fault." (Cheers and laughter.)
Mr. WM. NEWTON would second the amendment at the
same time that he rose to support the original resolution,
because he believed that there was no real difference be-
tween them. He wished to say a few words as represent-
ing the feelings of the working men on this subject. It
was said that the working population of this country were
opposed to war. They had been so on former occasions,
and for a very good reason—because former wars had been
undertaken against the people of foreign countries, and in
favour of foreign despotisms. But the people were in
favour of a war now, because that war would be under-
taken to stop the aggression of the greatest despot in
Europe. (Cheers.) They supported Turkey, not because
they knew much of the internal government of Turkey,
but because they hated Russia with all the hatred which a
people of liberal aspirations could exercise, and because
they felt that in stopping the course of such an aggressor,
war, which, in other circumstances, would be denounced
as a horrid carnage, would become one of the highest bless-
ings of humanity. Their present duty, then, as a people
loving liberty, was to support Turkey, and to denounce
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the Government. It required no great judgment in any
one to know beforehand how the Government would act.
modern The head of the Government, who was trained in the
school of despotism, feared to offend Russia ; he feared to
shake the stability of the imbecile Government of Austria ;
he dreaded to see Hungary in commotion again, and Kos-
suth recalled—(cheers)—he dreaded to see the further pro-
gress of constitutional principle in Prussia, and to see the
Mazzini brought back to the bosom of his country • he
shuddered at the idea of Poland
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brought England to this point—that her only any was a
man who, by perfidy, perjury, and assassination, had de-
stroyed the Republic of France. Their true ally was across
the Atlantic, in the other great branch of the Anglo-Saxon
race ; and if they had now a Liberal Government, they
would be found applauding such conduct as that of Captain
Ingraham. It was said they were to have a Cabinet Colin-
cll.- Would that a Cromwell was at the head of it ; and if
so, he had no doubt that their modern Blake (pointing to
Sir C. Napier) would receive a command. (Cheers.) These
he believed to be the sentiments of the working people of
England, who, if there was to be a war, would eventually
have to pay the cost of it, but who, even with that know-
ledge, preferred war to dishonour. (Cheers.) With these
sentiments, he would willingly second the first part of Mr.
Urquhart's amendment, declaring the incompetency of the
present Ministry, but with regard to the second part, he
did not quite understand it ; he was not aware that the
Crown had lost any of its prerogatives, and therefore he
could not ask for their restoration.

The resolution as originally moved was then put to the
meeting. and unanimonly agreed to.
Mr. URQUHART then moved his amendment as a substan-
tive motion, and after various ineffectual attempts to ob-
tain a hearing in support of his views on the prerogative,
he succeeded in shouting out that where one club tossed
poe or to another like battledore and shuttlecock, there was
neither pi engative for the Crown nor liberty for the people.
He moved his resolution in its entirety, but in this shape
he could not find for it a seconder. He then made a virtue
of necessity, and agreed to withdraw the latter clause re-
garding the royal prerogative, so that it stood thus—" That
this meeting can come to no other lenient conclusion than
this, that the servants of the Crown who now advise her
Majesty are unequal to the emergency," in which shape it
passed without contradiction.
Captain MAYNE REID moved the next resolution—" That
not only does the interest, but the duty and honour of Eng-
land, call upon our Government to discard all secret and
dynastic diplomacy, and render unconditionally to Turkey,
prompt, decisive, and effective aid." The first clause of this
resolution spoke of secret diplomacy. Secret' diplomacy I
There was not a phrase in the language that was more re-
pugnant to the hearts and the ears of Englishmen. Secre
diplomacy ! There was dishonour in the sound—there was
positive and palpable meanness in the thought. What had
secret diplomacy done for England ? Was it by secret di-
plomacy that this mighty nation had been built up? If
they looked back upon their former history, they would
find that the tricksters of foreign countries had always out-
tricked the tricksters of England. Ho could understand
some mean and petty nation having resort to secret diplo-
macy, but he could not understand why England should
have recourse to it. Their first duty was to know what
was right, and having ascertained that, to demand it in the
most open and straightforward manner. (Cheers). But if
secret diplomacy was repugnant to their ideas, dynastic
diplomacy was still more so, whose sole aim was how to
better the condition of petty German families. There was
a rumour abroad that a certain high personage was med-
dling with our diplomacy—was, in fact, directing our diplo-
macy. He trusted, for the sake of the high character
which that gentleman held—for the sake of his character as
a gentleman—that that r amour was not true. He should
be very unwilling to imitate the conduct of the Irish gen-
tleman who cried out of an unfortunate individual, "Don't
nail his ears to the pump." But if this rumour should
prove true, he (Captain Reid) would be the first to denounce
his conduct as that of the meanest individual in this coun-
try. (Cheers). Then the resolution went on to say that
they ought to render Turkey prompt and effective aid. It
was impossible to disguise that that sentiment breathed
the spirit of war ; and he agreed with it on that account,
for he believed that peace was no longer possible. He was
no lover of war—he would be glad to see the sword turned
into the ploughshare ; but ho believed the time had come
when war was not only just, but a strict and holy necessity.
There were times when even the good brood-brims of the
country, the Cobdens and Brights —who, he believed, were
conscientious and patriotic men—(cheers)—would feel a
whisper in their hearts that war was not always sinful.
Such a time, he believed, had come now. Turkey had a
noble cause ; she was fighting for her country, her altars,
and her homes. And a no less noble cause called upon
England to bear her part in the struggle. They ere
bound by treaty to protect the integrity Turkey. Throw
interest to the winds ; their honour called °ailed p!
(Loud cheers.) But he had a very slighte beliefu that them.
resolutions would have any effect upon the Government.
Ho drew his convictions from the fatal experience of
many years, during which time he had heard public opinion
speaking trumpet-tongued one voice, while he had
seen the action of Ministers directly opposed to that opi-
nion. Let them look back to 1849, to the struggles of the
Hungarian people. (A voice : Three cheers for Hungary—
which were warmly given.) Then Cabinet Ministers used
their utmost efforts to crush Hungary. He had demon-
strative proofs of that fact. It breathed in every dispatch
from minister to ambassador, and from ambassador to
minister—in every report from every consular agent, and
in every letter from every English spy ; for there were
English spies then in Hungary. Look at the blue books.
There they would see that Lord Ponsonby wrote to the
Foreign Minister of the day—to Lord Palmerston, whom
some of the speakers had so much lauded—" The rebels
have received a great check." This was preceded by some
dotted lines, which he could fill up. The dispatch ori-
ginally ran thus :—" I beg to congratulate your lord-
ship on the fact that the rebels have received a
great check." (Hear, hear and hisses.) England
had interfered in the war between Hungary and Aus-
tria in a more base manner than Russia, whose inter-
ference was that of the open robber, whereas the English
aristocracy acted like the mean and skulking thief. (Cheers.)
As for Lord Palmerston and his policy, he held that the
people had allowed themselves for forty years to be juggled
and chicaned by a political dandy. The Cabinet ministers
had lately been professing their sympathy for Turkey. If
they wished to give a practical proof of this sympathy,. he
called upon them, if not to suspend the Foreign Enlist-
ment Act, at least to give Englishman leave to take part
iu the coming contest, and draw his sword in favour of
liberty. (Cheers.)
Mr. HARNEY seconded the resolution. He contended
that England should interfere promptly, decisively, and
effectually, by force of arms. (Cheers.)
The resolution was put and carried unanimously.
Mr. BROWN moved the next resolution :—" That this
meeting is of opinion that Austria, by reason of her pre-
vious course of policy, and of her recent perfidious beha-
viour towards Turkey, ought to be regarded by us as an
enemy, and not cherished as an ally."
Mr. NICaOLS seconded the resolution.
Mr. TRELAWNEY felt as strongly as any one the duty of
succouring Turkey, but could not agree in the observations
that had boon first made in referenceb
to Lord Palmerston.
They should recollect that at the time of the Huu,arian
war Lord Pahnerston's hands were not strengthened. It
was not the fault of Lord Palmerston
ere HTheungary were
not efficiently assisted in 1848.
the way—they were bound by treaties w whrice w h lffiontldtimesatn
ye
it excessively difficult for them
Hungary. There had been a motionmade in the House of
Commons for the reduction of the standingarmy, and where
was the use of barking if they were not prepared to bite, or
of shaking their fist in the face of Russia if they would not
double their standing army? (Hear.) It would also have
been far better if an observation had not been made by the
same gentleman in reference to the Duke of Wellington.
(Hear.) He (Hr. Trelawney) had come there to assist them
in giving strength to the Government, but he found there
nothing but division. (Oh, oh). They should not have
strangers coming there to abuse that part of the Cabinet
from which they expected the most decisive and energetic
action in this business. (Hear, hear.) Lord Palmerston
was the man from whom, of all others, they should expect
strong and decided action. (Hoar, hear.) They were there
to give a tone to the acts of the Government, and he hoped
they would not be too quick in judging of their conduct.
They should not be too ready to think that the Govern-
ment have not the same object in view as they had in com-
ing there that evening. (Hear, hear.)
The resolution was adopted.
Mr. ELT moved the fifth resolution—" That an address,
embodying the foregoing resolutions, bo entrusted to a de-
putation, to be presented to her Majesty."
Mr. MOORS seconded the resolution, which was adopted.
Mr. HODGES proposed the sixth and last resolution
" That a copy of the foregoing resolutions be tarusmitted
to the Turkish ambassador."
The resolution was seconded and carried.
A vote of thanks was passed to Lord D. Stuart, and the
meeting separated.