The Sun.
London, England, 1853-08-09 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF COMMONS—(THIS DAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords' amendments to the West Cornwall Rail-
WY-, and the Bayswater, Paddington, and Holborn-
bridge Railway Bills were considered and agreed to.
Chaytor's Estate Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The reports upon the Pemberton Estate and East
Indian Railway Bills were considered and agreed to.
The last bill was read a third time and passed.
PETERBOROUGH ELECTION COMMITTEE.
The members appointed to serve on this committee
Were called to the table and sworn. They sit to-morrow
at 11 o'clock.

PETITIONS.
!Vlr . HADFIELD presented two petitions from York-
shire against the Government Education Bill.
Mr. HEADLAM presented a petition from thepro-
/11,°ters, managers, and friends of the system of national
eut!",tion in Ireland, praying the house to preserve its
religious element.
Mr. KINNAIRD presented a petition from all classes
of Christians in India, against the grant to the temple
of Juggernaut.

HARWICH ELECTION.
tThe SPEAKER said he had received an intimation
hat it was not intended to proceed with the petition
gainst the return of Mr. Bagshaw for Harwich.
b (214 the the motion of an Hon. MEMBER, the mem-
:l's of the committee were ordered to be discharged.
'01:3111 SEA AND OTHER ANNUITIES (PRO-
VISION FOR PAYMENT, &c.) BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
TRANSPORTATION BILL.
The house then went committee on this bill,
On clause 1,
_ol4rd PALMERSTON said there was no subject
IT re difficult and important than the question of punish-
-4;ellt• In an earlier state of society crime produced in
e minds of the community but one feeling—that of
I:.esentment, and the object of punishment was simply yen-
siee,a.tilce every kind of suffering which human ingenuity
jucladiixicfi ictthbeeing awarded to criminals ; but as civilisation
p erea88(1) and minor feelings prevailed in legislation and
punishment of death was confined to
a ea of tho inobt mei-ions and flagrant character, and
beer"darY punishment was adopted in the greater num-
hadf cases. The question of secondary punishments
b always been one of extreme difficulty. It ought to
bed
on the offender, and ought to deter, by example,
ti 8 committing similar crimes, but, at the same
ale, there should be combined with it the principle of
teefforin.ation. Hitherto, we had been enabled to dispose
transporting them
to secondary punishment, by
Bportmg them to our extensive colonies after first
certain period of imprisonment at hoTe.
were now, however under the necessity of altering
system. The colonies to which persons were trans
had now become thriving and wealthy communities,
ti:°Be feelings led them to revolt against those places
thlag made the receptacle for criminals, who were
emed unfit to remain in the mother country. Whether
eYtwere right or not it was not for him to say, but as
enad conceded to the colonies self-govern vent, we
mustee submit to its consequence, and their refusal to re-
it le criminals would of itself compel us to alter the
133'es,teAtll• Independentlyof that, a great event had hap-
in those colonies which necessarily led to the
1.,-nTeulriderai ion of the existing system. When it turned
but that those lands were places where wealth abounded,
th'°'ld) perhaps, the imagination of man, and where
likely xercise of a small amount of manual labour was
tO create a splendid fortune, it was quite clear they
ea,u not continue transportation to them any longer, be-
rev
"e it would be henceforth be looked upon as an actual
._
re instead of a punishment. The Government, there-
t)ok the subject into their consideration, and they
it determined to discontinue transportation, except to
absest,ern Australia. Then rose the question as to what
ve_aid be done with the great bulk of criminals who
wale l for the future not to be transported. It
Proposed by the Government to give them at the
(abrxPiration ofea certain period, a ticket of leave not to go
11„, au, but to remain here, i
and though, then, set at
L.Ol h-art3l, they would be liable to be called upon f the y
tb;+'llet was not such as to warrant their remaining in
eOndition. The great subject of reformation had not
tthheettivtli.rioset sight of. The Government did not think
a 8 by any means a hopeless object on consultation
parties who had charge of this department,
p ",,,,Lcmlid there would be means for giving these
seeeoptia—rautse eftnropmloyment at wages on the public works
convicss, thus placing them in this
e,iltlY in a similar situation to that which they had
the,-Pled in the colonies. In this way he thought
of " would smooth the passage from the condition
Thljaricoe:viict to that of a free and honest labourer.
at th of the Government would not entail any.
cost on counties, because they would feel. it
duty tc provide all the necessary accommodation
any
will
Pnublic expense. The bill had not resulted from
forced " particular views of the Government, but was
it was". theta by the course of events, and he thought
which w a mede of meeting the altered circumstarces
he as the least open to objection. In conclusion,
stated it
Public money, as effect a considerable saving of the
as c
minor he 'th transportation.
IVAril;Pb) °rPared
" hdf 11 freat t . litn,enenrlll agreed In what aa en
ctleYinan, and suggested some
_arri.tioa
nillenchnents in gentleman,
bill. The plan he had sketched
Cut, would not merely abolish that which had been an
on the colonies, but if vigorously and prudently
ied out
offenders. , would materially lead to the reformation of

(LEFT SITTING.)

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

(1? ROUSE OF COMMONS.—AUO. 8.
Commons.
MM. the Votes and Proceeding. s of the House of
)
her , CHARITABLE TRUSTS
1,,,,,.., amendment proposed, in p. ,
5T525811L.L32.,
tion
.‘, " Oxford" to insertthe after
tt,"That the word `and'
r be there inserted:'—The
word " and. Ques t'lle
.4011 g, 65,
divided ; Ayes Noes 70.5.
A.c.., MINORITY—AYES, 6
~,,,,,,,ltrt, a Peel, F.
.trley C. Graham, Sir Jas. Pere J• William
Percy, J.
Aglionb ' Gregson, Samuel
Pi4mtt, Francis
likil, J 3:,,,, H. Grenfell,C.
Price, Sir R.
11ethol'n Hall, Sir Benjamin
Sadleir, am
.ti(*), '
air Richard Ileathcoate, Sir G. Rnssel,
JLordesJohn
Ito, li, ir R. Herbert, Sidney
Itolerie, L. P.
Hervey, Lord A. Sadleir, J.
Sawle, C. B. G.
toYileli,,l4e"ge Keogh, William
Scobell, Captain
—loill'e—'4l. Colonel Kinnaird, A. F.
Ilrowunoh, Joseph Langton, H. G. Scully, F.
trtiek e, valentine Locke, J. Shelley, Sir J. V.
Aduilei; Lord R. Lowe, Robert Strut?, Rt. Hon. E
tobt,,,,',,eharies Luce, Thomas Thornhill, W.
C0w,,,-.., J„ c Villiers, Francis
baN,Y'r. Virilli'am taLle, COnl'on%rel Walmsley, Sir J.
1,1.'• Sir n.
Mills, T. Walpole, S. H.
Eiiiii°o',,Lord Michell, W. Wilson, 3.
Wood, Sir C.
/'ert,;(le, J. )dolesworth, Sir W.
Sir John
Por,,'°u, Sir Robert blonsell, William young, prees!r, a .
Mulgrave, Earl
TELLIES.
Gim:t4n, Colonel O'Connell, D.
(4)04 •
~ V William 0obo:me, Ralph Hayter, W. G.
Areta
MAJORITY—NOES, 70
Palmerston, Viscount Berkeley Grenville
Morgan,'Octavius
Itarr 411' Captain Grogan, Ed and
Xell °'
win • n Morris, D.
Isi • 4ste„ • • Hadfield, eorg
Beg", b,
Sit' 'T llliamNorth,
13,Z.ett, a p Headiam, Thomas E.
Hamilton, Geo. A. Mowbray,3.
Colonel
Bo 4, Colon • •
th el Pechell, Sir 0, D.
llr ani-Carte J. • Pellatt, Apsley
urleeywYwoortodh,,JLam. es O'Brien, Patrick
11 r, . Hutt, William
breekiet Ingham, hobert Pilkington, James
."11 r, 4;7, John Jolliffe, Sir W . G.H. Potter, R. _
tae4lee berg, T. Y' Kershaw,
. James raintrWs,:ol'...
eil_ethal,, John
Kirkg,Zedylr
ipainaid
Scholefield, W.
Corite 11. "
Siothorp, Colonel
Knox, Col.
Davies' Somers L dA. H. Spooner, Richard
4o' I)•LaYar 'F.
bon °rtb,SirJ ueas,
bu eat', (4. • Macartney, G. bstulluaiti•Tta,nL,oisird. Dudley
Thompson, George
tg°,4e• Col'. M•Cann, J.
James Vance, J.
Per4U• /Award Macgregor,
jam Wickham, Henry W
l'or,t °4, Joseph Moline, Richard Wilkinson, W.
Fox A! eheirles
ewer,•' • J. Massey, W. hi artin, John
00de C. ii.
hiilligan R. • 400zieb, Viscount Mitchell ir._ M. E.
44, Sir (I. r,
T.

TELLERS

Inglis, Sir R. H.
Thorn ely, Thomas