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THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, AUGUST 5, 1853.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.)
Their Lordships met shortly after three o'clock.

ROYAL ASSENT.
The Royal assent was given by commission to the fol-
,owing bills :
Succession Duty.
Common Lodging Houses.
Convicted Prisoners Removal and Confinement.
Savings Banks Annuities.
Coinage Offences (Colonies).
Colonial Bishops Act Extension.
Patronage Exchange.
Taxing Officer, Common Law Business (Ireland).
Bankruptcy (Scotland).
Land Revenues.
Copyholds.
Customs Duties.
Dublin Parliamentary Registration.
Stamp Duties.
Stamp Duties (No. 2).
Resident Magistrates (Ireland).
Turnpike Trusts Arrangements.
Sheep, &c., Contagious Diseases Prevention.
Battersea Park.
Westminster Bridge.
Spitalfields to Shoreditch Improvement.
Pimlico Improvement.
Whittlebury Forest.
Barnsley Waterworks (No. 2).
London Docks
Midland Railway (Leicester and Hitchin).
Burford, Leachlade, and Swindon Roads.
Shipley and Bramley Road.
Wildinore Fen and East and West Fens Highways.
South Eastern Railway (North Kent Railway to the
Thames, &c.)
York and North Midland Railway (Re-issue of Hull and
Selby Purchase Shares).
London and North Western and London and Blackwall
Railways.
Leeds, Bradford, and Halifax Junction Railway.
Alston Roads.
Roscrea and Parsonstown Junction Railway.
Limerick, Ennis, and Killaloe Junction Railway.
South Eastern Railway (Reading Extension, &c.)
Warrington and Altrincham. Railway (Stockport).
Eastern Counties Railway (North Woolwich, &c.)
Burton-upon-Trent Improvement (No. 2).
Carlisle Canal and Port Carlisle Railway.
Electric Telegraph Company of Ireland.
Norwich and Spalding Railway.
Copper Miners in Engand Company.
South Eastern Railway (Strood. to Maidstone).
Victoria (London) Docks.
East Kent Railway.
South Staffordshire Waterworki.
Forth and Clyde Junction Railway.
Upton St. Leonard's, Birdlip, and Brimpsfield Road.
Dewsbury, Heckmondwike, and Batley Water.
Wakefield and Sheffield Road.
St. Ives (Cornwall) Harbour.
St. Helen's Canal and Railway.
Pendleton, Swinton, &c., Road.
Leeds Northern Railway.
Bedale and Leyburn Railway.
Holme Reservoirs (No. 2).
Spalding Improvement.
Bideford Extension Railway.
Whitechapel Improvement.
Great Southern and Western Railway (Ireland).
Llanidloes and Newton Railway.
Waveney Valley Railway.
Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railway
(Barnsley).
Llynvi Valley Railway.
Nantwich and Woore Road.
Ayrshire and Galloway (Smithstown and Dalmellington)
Railway.
Caledonian Railway (Connecting Branch with Edin-
burgh and Glasgow, &e
Furness Furness Railway.
Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway.
Edinburgh, Perth, and Dundee Railway.
Great Western Railway (Henley).
Lands Improvement Company (No. 2).
St. Ives and West Cornwall Junction Railway.
South Eastern Railway (Canterbury and Whitstable, &c.)
London and North Western Railway (Oldham Branch.)
New Ross (Free) Bridge.
British Electric Telegraph Company.
London and North Western Railway (Northampton, &c.)
London and North Western Railway (St. Alban's, &c.
West Harptry Road.
Newry and Enniskollen Railway.
Westminster Improvements.
East Lancashire Railway (No. 2) (Southport, &c.)
London and South Western Railway (Basingstoke and
Salisbury Branch).
Birkenhead Dock Trustees.
East London Waterworks.
Halifax Waterworks and Improvement.
Limerick and Foynes Railway.
Llanelly Railway and Dock (No. 2).
Ribble Navigation.
Whitehaven and Furness Junction Railway.
Blyth and Tyne Railway.
Milford Haven Docks.
Londonderry, Enniskillen, and Sligo Railway (No. 2).
Birmingham and Oxford Junction, and Birmingham,
Wolverhampton, and Dudley and Great Western
Railways.
Newcastle-upon-Tyne Improvement.
Birkenhead Dock Company.
Newport, Abergavenny, and Hereford Railway (Here-
ford, &c.)
Newport, Abergavenny, and Hereford Railway (Taff
Vale).
West London and Crystal Palace Railway).
Chorley Improvement.
Cotham's Estate.
Crowe's Disabilities Removal.
Hall Dare's Estate.
Moore's (Brown's Trustees) Estate.
Pemberton Leigh's Estate.
Earl of Egremont's Estate.
Archbishop of Canterbury's Estate.
Sneed Park Estate.
The Lords Commissioners were—the Duke of Argyll,
the Marquis, of Breadalbane and Lord Colchester.
Their lordships then adjourned during pleasure.
The house resumed at five o'clock.
Lord WYNFORD presented a petition from the
General Court of Proprietors of the East India Com-
pany, praying for a modification of the Government of
India Bill. The noble lord said he deemed the prayer
of this petition to be most important, and thought it
was well worthy of attention at their lordships'
hands. All that the petitioners wanted was that
the best possible government should be extended
to India, and inasmuch, as from their position, they
must be well acquainted with the wants of India, he felt
that any suggestions from them ought to demand the
most serious consideration. They took exception to the
system of Government nominees, and objected to the
proposed reduction of the Court f Directors.
Earl GRANVILLE said the Government would re-
ceive these suggestions with the respect that they de-
served, but at the same time it was only right that he
should state that the Government did not concur in the
views contained in the petition.
THIRD READINGS.
The Parish Vestries (No. 2) Bill, the Municipal
Corporation Act Amendment Bill, the Burgh Harbours
(Scotland) Bill, the Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland)
Bill, and the Petty Sessions (Ireland) Bill, were severally
read a third time and passed.
The Marquis of CLA NRICARDE exp
cility for pass-
that the Government would give every stages
ing the two last bills through the different •
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House of Commons, in order that they might become
law this session.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE gave an assuranceGevere that
the Government
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committee.
ENTRY OF SEAMEN BILL.
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The Earl of HARDWICSE entered into a statement
of the objections which he entertained to the bill.a
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The house then went into committee, and after
discussion the clauses were agreed to.
NATIONAL EDUCATION IN IRELAND.
The Earl of CLANCARTY asked for some papers
connected with national education in Ireland, and wished
to know when the report of the commissioners would
be produced.
The Earl of ABERDEEN explained that the delay
had been caused purely by mechanical difficulties. The
report would, he hoped, be ready by the end of the ses-
sion, but the other papers were of such a voluminous
character that the noble lord must be content to wait
for them.
The Earl LANCARTY thought that the whole
conduct of the Government in the affair showed a dis-
position to evade investigation.
The Earl of ABERDEEN intimated that it was not
the wish of the Government to treat the motion of the
the noble lord with any disrespect, and that it was
not in his power to make officials perform impossibilities.
Lord GRANVILLE added a few remarks deprecat-
in.. unreasonable demands upon the Government.
Lord DONOUGLIMORE also made some observa-
tions, and the subject dropped.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-(YESTERDAY.)
EDUCATION BILL.

In reply to Mr. HADFIELD,
Lord J. RUSSELL said he was told that if the Edu-
cation Bill was not proceeded with, hon. members would
put off the motions which they had on the paper for
Wednesday ; and though he had withdeawn the bill, he
must say he had not seen.any corresponding concession
on the part of hon. members. (Hear, hear.) He must
appeal to the hon. member for North Warwickshire not
to press a discussion on the motion of the hon. and
learned member for Bath. He was sure he would not
wish that the house should be occupied from twelve until
six next Wednesday to no purpose whatever. (Hear.)
, He begged to say, in answer to the hon. member's ques-
tion, that it was not his intention to propose the second
reading of the Education Bill.
Mr. NEW DEG said he and other hon. members
were determined not to be defeated in giving expression
to their opinions.
KILINIAINHAM HOSPITAL.
In reply to Mr. VANCE,
Mr. S. HERBERT said lie had seen the report of the
Commissioners of Kilmainham Hospital, but he thought
it would be better not to lay it on the table until he pro-
duced the warrant which was the root of the report.
CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL.
Several amendments and new clauses were brought up
and added to this bill.
Lord J. RUSSELL moved an amendment to exempt
1 Roman Catholic charities from the operation of the bill.
4 Sir F. TEIESIGER viewed with great regret and con-
' siderable alarm the course now adopted by the noble
I lord, because though the words were few they were preg-
-1 ;ant with mighty consequences, and involved a most

important question. He certainly had a right to com-
plain of the period the noble lord had chosen for intro-
ducing so formidable a proposition. (Hear, hear.) The
bill without the exemption had received not only the
sanction of the House of Lords, but had passed through
a committee of this house, and had been read a first and
a second time without opposition, and it was not until
just before going into committee that the noble lord in-
timated that it was his intention to propose an amend-
ment of this description, and if it had not been for
the intervention of the right honourable member
for Oxfordshire, it was possible that it would
have been carried at a time when, without using an im-
proper metaphor, he might say the greater part of the
life blood of the house had been withdrawn, and when
the house was not in a very active period of existence.
(Hear, hear.) The reason given by the noble lord for
the amendment, was the apprehension by Roman Catho-
lics, that if the investigation under the bill was extended
to them, it would be found that certain of their trusts
were illegal, under the law against superstitious uses.
But the bill had been long before the house and the
public, and it was somewhat strange that the expression
of their fears should have been delayed until now.
(Hear, hear.) The noble lord, however, might have
allayed those fears, instead of adopting and encouraging
them. (Hear, hear.) It was absurd to suppose that
any body of commissioners could, consistently with the
spirit of the present day, endeavour to abolish or defeat
trusts of this nature, merely because they came within
the law against superstitious uses. Hear, hear.) He
contended that the amendment would be mischievous
towards the Roman Catholics, and would give them no
benefit or advantage whatever, for it would leave them
in a helpless and crippled state, and would de-
prive them of any opportunity of complain-
ing of any abuses or mal-administration of their
trusts. It was true the noble lord had said it was
his intention in a future session to bring Roman Catho-
lic charities under the machinery of the bill by some
special enactment; but what security had they that he
would be able to fulfil his pledge ? The noble
lord was not at the head of the Government. Strictly
speaking, he was not even a member of the Govern-
ment. They knew perfectly well the opinions enter-
tained by the majority of his colleagues in the cabinet
with regard to Roman Catholics, and how could they be
secure that they might not consider the exemption of
these trusts as a part of the natural development which
ought to be given to that class of the community ?
Looking, therefore, at the state of the house, and be-
lieving that the bill would not affect Roman Catholic
charities prejudicially, he did think the best and most
prudent course to pursue was to allow the bill to re-
main as it now stood. (Hear, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL did not think the hon. and learned
gentleman was justified in opposing the amendment that
he had moved. It was true that there were defects in
the Roman Catholic charities, but the house having ad-
mitted that it would be unjust to punish the Roman
Catholics for these defects, seeing that it was from no
fault of their own that these defects had arisen. Acts
of Parliament bad passed since the establishment of
these charities which related to their organisation, but
the nature of which the Roman Catholics themselves
were ignorant of until it was too late to obtain an ex-
emption in their favour. An eminent barrister of the
the Roman Catholic persuation had told him that many
of the existing Roman Catholic charities were illegal—
at least they were opposed to many of the provisions of
the existing law. For instance, the many large sums
that had been left for the performance of masses for the
souls of the dead, and it had been laid down that such
charitable bequests were at variance with the law which
related to superstitious uses. Now, many of the Roman
Catholic charities which were established for educa-
tional purposes were open to the same objection, and as
this was a question of confidence on the one hand, and
suspicion on the other, he thought the house ought to
pause before they rejected this exemption. It might be
all very well to argue that no one would ever attempt
to prosecute a Roman Catholic charity under the Super-
stitious Uses Act, but looking at the history of the past,
he thought the Roman Catholics might naturally enter-
tain great suspicion as to the future if this bill included
their charities, and he had therefore proposed that they
should be exempt from the operation of this measure.
He could not remove these apprehensions, nor satisfy
the scruples of the Protestant feeling of the coun-
try by proposing any clause now for including
Roman Catholic charities in this bill which would
not lead to great discussion, and since there was not
time for such discussion now, he thought it was
better to exempt these charities for the present from
the operation of this bill. The hon. and learned gen-
tleman seemed to complain that there was no guarantee
that these charities would not be permanently excluded
from the operation of this bill ; but upon that point, he
thought, the house need be under no apprehension, for
he believed it would be for the benefit of the Roman
Catholics themselves that these charities should be
placed under some such law as this, and eventually,
he believed, they would be induced to accept a similar
measure, when the law respecting superstitious uses
should have been altered or amended in their favour.
(Hear, hear.) He trusted, therefore, the house would
not object to admit this clause into the bill, and leave
the question of Roman Catholic charities to be dis-
posed of in a future measure, to be brought forward
within the next two years, to which period this exclu-
sion would be limited. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. NEW DEG ATE opposed the exemption, as he did
not believe the opinion of any Roman Catholic barrister
was sufficient to justify the exclusion. He obiected to
allowing Roman Catholic charities to remain under the
arbitrary control of Cardinal Wiseman and the clergy of
the Roman Catholic Church. Suppose the operation of
this bill, if it was extended to Roman Catholic charities,
did disclose a state of things which showed that there
were some of them opposed to the existing law, what
difficulty was there in the way of introducing a few
simple words providing for such a case, and thus pre-
vent the confiscation or alienation of Roman Catholic
trust property. Under these circumstances he protested
against this exclusion, as it would open the door still
further to the machinations of the Roman Catholic
Church, and enable Cardinal Wiseman and others of her
emissaries who came to this country charged with
penary powers to divert Roman Catholic Trusts from
their original purposes to the use of the Church of' Rome
itself. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HEADLAM was glad to hear the concluding re-
mark of the noble lord the member for the City of Lon-
don, for until that announcement was made he had been
under the impression that this exclusion was to be per-
manent. It was now clear, however, so far at least as
the noble lord was concerned, that this exemption was
only to be temporary ; and he could have no difficulty,
therefore, in adopting the proposal of the Government,
upon the understanding that they would incorporate
with it the amendment which he himself had suggested,
namely, that the exemption should only extend to two
years. He would therefore conclude by moving an
addition to the clause to that effect.
Mr. BOWYER said it was a mistake to suppose that the
creation of the Roman Catholic hierarchy gave the Ro-
man Catholic bishops more control over Roman Catholic
charities than they possessed before. He accepted this
clause as amended ; and in doing so he had no objection
to declare, on behalf of the Roman Catholics, that if it
was found hereafter that this measure would fect their
charities only to the same extent that it affected
other charities, there would be no objection to a mea-
sure being passed to bring them under its provisions.
Sir F. THESIGER was determined to divide upon
the clause, because it involved a matter of principle. It
went, in fact, the length of declaring that Roman Ca-
tholics ought to be put upon a different footing to those
of other religious bodies, and to that principle he could
never assent. (Hear.)
The house then divided, when there appeared
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The clause was accordingly added to the bill.
ROYAL ASSENT.
Mr. Pulman, the Yeoman Usher of the Black Rod,
here appeared at the table, and commanded the house
to attend at the bar of the Peers, to hear the royal
assent given by commission to several public and private
bills, for which see Lords' report.
CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL.
The discussion on this bill was then resumed.
On the motion of Mr. PHINN, a proviso was added to
the bill bringing all schools with charitable foundations
under the act.
Mr. KINNAIRD moved an amendment with the
view of excluding such societies as the Christian Know-
ledge, or the Bible Society, or the Religious Tract
Society, from the operation of the bill.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said there was no
necessity to add this amendment to the bill, as such
societies which it contemplated were already excluded.
The amendment was therefore withdrawn.
The bill as amended was then considered, and ordered
to be read a third time on Monday.
ASSESSED TAXES BILL.
This bill was considered as amended, and ordered to
be read a third time to-morrow.
The other twelve o'clock orders were disposed of, and
the house rose at 4 o'clock.
The house resumed at six o'clock.
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chants and other inhabitants of the city of London, praying
the house to legislate on tho existing law of debtor and
creditor, that unfortunate debtors may be protected against
vindictive creditors, and that honest creditors be shielded
from the irresponsibility and unjust dealings of fraudulent
debtors ; by Mr. Grenfell, from the Local Board of Health
for the borough of New Windsor, in favour of the bill for
providing burial grounds ; by Mr. F. Scully, from grand
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by the Medical Charities Act, also the salaries of all the
officers in the District Lunatic Asylum who are appointed
by the Crown, may be paid out of the Consolidated
Fund.

and his hope that it would be re-introduced at an early

period of next ,session.
The order,for the second reading was the discharged.
TRANSPORTATION BILL.
Lord PALM ERSTON intimated that he would take the
committee on this bill on Tuesday next, at 12 o'clock.
NEW BILLS.
Mr. HUME said he was astonished to observe on the
paper notice of six bills to be introduced that evening by
the Secretary of the Board of Control, one of them re-
lating to the important subject of transportation. The
house ought to have explained why those measures had
been delayed till so late a period of the session ?
Lord PALMERSTON said that one of the bills referred
to was intended to remedy a defect which existed in regard
to marriages in the church of the Holy Trinity at Hulme.
He did not imagine it would meet with any opposition.
The bill which had been particularly adverted to by the
hon. member for Montrose was for the purpose of empower-
ing her Majesty's Attorney-General to transfer female con-
victs to the House of Correction at Brixton.
THE OFFICE OF SPEAKER.
Sir R. H. INGLIS, in rising to call the attention of the
house to the report of the select committee on the office of
Speaker, said that, adopting the suggestion of his right
hon. friend and colleague the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
he would not trouble the house with a long speech. lie
was the more induced to follow that course because,
having repeatedly brought the subject incidentally before
the house—having introduced it somewhat more formally
on the 17th of November last, on which occasion he re-
ceived considerable encouragement from the right hon gen-
tleman who then led the house, as well as from the noble
lord the member for the city of London—having, in conse-
quence of such encouragement, obtained in'February last
the appointment of a select committee without a divi-
sion—and that committee having unanimously adopted
the report which had already been presented to the
house —he was in a condition to call attention to
subject upon which as yet there had been little or
no difference of opinion. Nor had he heard of any ob-
jection to the report of the committee, except one, in
which individually he concurred—namely, that it did not
go far enough in providing a remedy which all admitted to
needed. When he found, however, that the committee
could not unanimously and cordially concur in that larger
measure, which alone would have completely satisfied him,
but were still willing to adopt a plan which would meet a
great proportion of existing evils, he was not disposed to
ask the house to do more than sanction the report of the
committee. His own opinion was that the best plan would
be to place in the chair, in the event of their being at any
time unhappily deprived of the services of the Speaker,
some one to discharge all the legal functions of that
office ; but the committee had judged otherwise, and had
agreed to recommend the house to place in the chair a gen-
tleman who might discharge all its duties within the house,
but not exercise any of the other functions belonging to
the office of Speaker. When he considered, on the one
hand, how thankful they ought to be for the long-con-
tinned presence among them of the right hon. gentleman
who now so worthily filled that office—(cheers)—and felt,
on the other, that the tax upon his time and strength
might be carried to an injurious extent, he was sure the
house would agree in the opinion that something should
now be done to prevent so great a calamity. (Hear, hear.)
In the course of the last month the house had sat twenty-
two days, and had been 228 hours in session, giving an
average of more than ten hours to each day of public ser-
vice. On sixteen of these days the Speaker had taken the
chair at twelve o'clock, as well as at the evening meeting
of the house, and he had sat upon several occasions for
more than fourteen hours at a time. In short, it might be
safely stated that the attendance given by the Speaker to
his public duty was such as very few other human beings,
and certainly very few members of the house, could give.
(Hear, hear.) He moved " That whenever the house shall
informed of the unavoidable absence of Mr. Speaker, the
Chairman of Ways and Means do take the chair for that
day only ; and, in the event of Mr. Speaker's absence con-
tinuing for more than one day, do, if the house shall think
fit and shall so order it, take the chair in like manner on
any subsequent day during such absence."
Lord J. RUSSELL, in seconding the motion, said he
would not make this a personal question, becaused he be-
lieved there was only one opinion in the house as to the
value of the services of the Speaker (cheers); but con-
sidering it as a general question affecting the performance
of the functions of the house, he thought they would be
blind to the consequences of the very great labour imposed
upon the occupant of the chair if they did not adopt the
recommendation contained in the report of the select com-
mittee. It was of the utmost importance that, in case of
the absence of the Speaker, supposing the business of the
house to be of great and urgent interest, they should be
able to proceed without delay, and should not have merely
to address the clerks, but some person who should be able
to preside over their deliberations. The opinion of the
select committee, in which he entirely concurred, was
that they should only carry the remedy as far -as it was
absolutely necessary, and should avoid any measure which
would at all fetter the discretion and choice of the house
in case of a vacancy in the office of Speaker. They were
anxious that the house should not, by any previous resolu-
tion or decision, be at all committed to any particular can-
didate for the office, but should choose that person who,
at the time, should appear best qualified to fulfil the im-
portant functions which belonged to the Speaker of that
house. He thought the committee had been successful in
their proposal. They proposed that only for one day
should any person assume the chair in the absence of the
Speaker—that afterwards it should be entirely in the
choice of the house whom they should place there—and
that the person whom they should appoint to supply this
temporary vacancy, should be one who, as Chairman of
Ways and Means' had already an official and recognised
position in the house, and who, upon the return of the
Speaker, or upon the election of a new Speaker, would
fall back upon his former situation. (Hear, hear.) He
had great pleasure in seconding the, motion of the hon.
baronet, and trusted it would meet with the concurrence
of the house. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. BRIGHT agreed with the noble lord that it was not
desirable to carry the remedy further than was necessary ;
but he was not sure that the committee in the present
instance were not doing so ; at least, although he had been
in the house about ten years, he had not known any occa
sion—certainly not more than one—in which the house
had not been able to sit in consequence of the absence of
the Speaker. That might have been a hardship to the
right hon. gentleman, however, and so far might be cited
as nn argument in favour of a change. But his object in
rising was for the purpose of saying that, if the Chairman
of Ways and Means was to have a new dignity, it would
be desirable to have him appointed in a different manner
from that which had hitherto prevailed. When Mr.
Bouverie was appointed to the office, very few members of
the house knew anything about him, and he was nominated
by the noble lord the member for the city of London with-
out previous notice, and in an inaudible tone of voice. He
spoke thus freely, not out of any discourtesy towards the
hon. member for Kilmarnock, whose intimate acquain-
tance with the forms of the house they all knew, and who,
Id have his cordial

TRUCK. ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
Lord PALMERSTON said that many representations
had been made to him with respect to this bill, by masters
and workmen, and although they had not shaken his
opinion that some measure of the sort was required, still
he thought they were justly entitled to be heard before
Parliament legislated on the subject. It was therefore his
intention to move that the bill be read a second time this
day three months, with a view early next session of bring-
ing it forward in a modified form, and refering it to a
select committee, where both masters and men would have
an opportunity of stating their respective views as to the
effect of the measure upon their interests. (Hear.)
Mr. C. FORSTER expressed his regret that the noble
lord had been compelled, for the reasons stated, to
Polls this bill) which was intended to remedy a crying evil