The Sun.
London, England, 1853-07-02 00:00:00

Majority against the Government proposition 5

The CHAIRMAN then read the resolution in the fol-
lowing form :—" That from and after the sth day of July,
1853, in lieu of the duties now payable on advertisements,
shall be paid for or in respect of any advertisement con-
tained in, or published with, any gazette or other news-
paper, or any other periodical paper, or in or with any
pamphlet or literal), work, 01. Os. Od."
The committee then divided. The numbers were—

Ayes...
Noes

Majority

On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX-
CHEQUER, the chairman was then directed to report
progress, and ask leave to sit again.
The house havir resumed,

Mr. HUME said he should like to know from the
Speaker how far the proceedings which had just taken
place were correct. The committee had come to a second
division, and he washed to ask if it was competent to do
so ? A motion was made to negative the " 6d.," and the
committee had done so. A second motion was made to
put in " 0." One party voted for " 0," and the other
against " 0," and the " O's" carried it. (Laughter.) lie
did not recollect such an occurrence having ever taken
place before, and thought it very desirable for the house
to receive such information as would guide them from fall-
ing into any error. (Hear.)

Mr. BOUVERIE said the house would perhaps allow
him to state what the questions really were. On the third
resolution on the stamp duty, imposing a duty of 6d. on
advertisements, an honourable member proposed that
" 6d." should be omitted and "0" inserted. Ho put the
question, and a division took place on the proposition
" that 6d. stand part of the resolution." That proposition
was negatived, and " 6d." was struck out. Then he put
the main resolution with " 0" at the end, and that was
carried in the affirmative. That was the resolution which
ho had been directed to report to the house, and he sub-
mitted that there had been nothing informal in the pro-
ceeding.. (Hear, hear.)
The SPEAKER said the questions for the committee to
decide were, first, ivhether " 6d." should stand part of the
resolution or not—and next, whether they would agree to
the resolution without " 6c1." being inserted. It appeared
to him that the proceedings had been perfectly formal and
regular. (Hear, hear.)
The report was then ordered to be received on Monday.
SUCCESSION DUTY BILL.
The consideration of this bill in committee was resumed.
Clause 21 having been put,
The CHAIRMAN read a proviso which Sir W. Jolliffe
had upon a former evening declared it to be his intention
to introduce into the clause. The proviso was to the fol-
lowing effect :—" Providedlalways that the value of any
timber growing upon the land be not included in the said
estimate."

Sir W. JOLLIFFE here signified it to be his intention
to withdraw the proviso.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
should oppose the motion for its withdrawal, because he
believed the insertion of the words in question had been
proposed for the purpose of calling upon the house to de-
clare that no tax whatever should be laid upon timber
under the Succession Duty Bill.
Sir J. PAKINGTON thought the right hon. gentleman
could not be perfectly aware of the circumstances under
which the proviso in question had been moved. His hon.
friend had taken the best advice upon the question, whether
the proviso was necessary to prevent the former part of the
elause from including timber, and the information which
he had obtained was that no such proviso was necessary.
Under those circumstances, therefore, he had no wish to
press it upon the coasideration of the committee. If his
hon. friend were net permitted to withdraw the proviso,
he (Sir J. Pakingtoa) hoped he would allow it to be nega-
tived without a division.

- --
After a few observations from the CHANCELLOR of
the EXCHEQUER and Sir W. JOLLIFFE, the proviso
was withdrawn.

The clause, as amended, was then agreed to.
Clause 22.
The consideration of this clause was, at the suggestion
of Mr. HENLEY and Mr. VANSITTART, postponed.
Clause 23, which lays down the rule as to advowsons,
having been proposed,
Mr. HENLEY said he believed that the clause, by levy-
ing the duty on the presentation, when that right should
be sold, would press with undue severity in the case of a
person who might happen to be able to make the sale two
or three times in the course of his life.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the clause had been framed with a view to deal as leniently
as possible with that species of property. It was desirable
that they should give every discouragement which they
could fairly offer to the sale of advowsons ; and it was
therefore proposed that the right should be taxed in those
cases only in which it was absolutely sold.
Mr. G. BUTT said he believed that descriptian of pro-
perty was very liberally dealt with in the clause.
Mr. MALINS thought it was not worth while to tax
that description of property at all.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that of
all kinds of property he knew of none which had a less
claim to exemption from taxation than an advowson which
was actually sold.
The clause was then ordered to stand part of the bill.
Clause 29 was agreed to.
Clause 25, which lays down the rule as to taxation of
manors and mines, having been put,
Mr. NEWDEGATR said he wished to know whether a
person who had the fee-simple of a mineral estate would be
charged on the same principle as a person who had a life
interest only in such an estate ?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied in
the affirmative.

Mr. G. BUTT said he did not understand how that
clause which gave an alternative as to the mode of valua-
tion was to be carried into effect. The first part of the
clause provided that the yearly value of a mine should be
calculated by the average profits derived therefrom, after
deducting the necessary out-goings during such number of
preceding years as might be agreed on between the com-
missioners and the successor. He did not see that any
power was given for effecting such an agreement.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
if the agreement were not come to the alternative which
was offered in that portion of the clause would not come
into the agreement ; but the party might, if he pleased,
resist that inducement.

Mr. G. BUTT thought it would be better to fix on a cer-
tain number of years for the purpose of the valuation.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
believed that in case of mineral property it would in many
cases be found most inconvenient that that proposal should
be adopted.
Sir J. PAKINGTON said that nothing could show
more strikingly than that clause the excessive difficulty
and the risk of injustice which were incurred in imposing a
succession duty. The right hon. gentleman the Chancellor
of the Exchequer did not by that clause give the successor
the same option which he gave him in the clause with re-
spect to timber, of paying on an average of receipts, or on
the capital value of the property. He (Sir J. Pakington)
knew at the present moment several instances of mining
property which would be affected by this clause. He would
suppose a case where a mine had been just opened and a
vein struck. Suppose then a succession to take place ; how
could it be possible to ascertain an average value in that
case? (Hear, hear.) He should move, by way of amend-
ment, the omission of the following words :—" Or if no
such period shall be agree(' upon, then the principal value
of the property shall be ascertained, and the annual value
thereof shall be considered to be equal to the interest, cal-
culating at the rate of 3/. per cent, per annum on the
amount of such principal value." (Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCEEQUER replied that

the case referred to was one of very frequent occurrence,
and came before them every day in the shape of leasehold
interests. The right hon. baronet would sec that the
amendment, if carried, would render the clause altogether
inoperative.

In reply to Mr. HENLEY,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
meaning of the word " mine" referred only to mines that
were open, but did not apply to cases where mineral was
known to exist, but where the vein had not been opened.
Mr. G. BUTT altogether dissented from the construc-
tion put upon the word "mine" by the right hon. Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, and appealed to his hon. and
learned friends, the Attorney and Solicitor Generals, to
say if such was the correct and legal meaning which was
meant to be conveyed by the word mine."
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL explained that the clause
referred to open mines, and that its meaning was apparent
from its subsequent wording.
Mr. MITCHELL suggested the introduction of the
words, after the word "mine," " yielding profit," and
that words should also be introduced to provide that the
profits should be determined by arbitration in case of
dispute.

Nlr. BOOKER suggested the addition of the following
words, viz., "That the yearly value of any manor, mine,
or other real property, producing a fluctuating yearly in-
come, shall either be calculated upon the average profits
or the income derived thereon."

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was
not disposed to offer any objection to the addition of those
words, and would feel obliged to the hon. gentleman giving
him the words in writing.
The clause was then agreed to.
Mr. G. BUTT complained of the indefinite wording of
the 26th clause.

Mr. PELLATT moved in this clause, according to notice,
that after the words " body corporate," the words " cor-
poration sole, whether lay or ecclesiastical," should be in-
serted. Ho thought that as the clergy of the Church of
England drew so large a sum from the national finances,
they ought to pay their fair proportion of the tax.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (interrupt-
ing the hon. member) assured him that his amendment
would not add to the stringent effect of the clause. Every
corporation sole, whether lay or ecclesiastical, was beyond
all doubt a body corporate, and would be subject to the
operation of the clause.

Mr. Pellatt's amendment having been withdrawn,
The clause, with some verbal alterations, was agreed to,
and ordered to stand part of the bill.
Clauses 27 and 28 were also agreed to.
On clause 29 being proposed,
Mr. MALINS moved that the chairman report progress.
In reply to Lord R. GROSVENOR,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he pro-
posed devoting the whole of Monday evening to the consi-
deration of the remaining clauses of this bill ; and that he
should not stop in the bill for the purpose of going to the
Stamp Duties Bill, which, however, would stand next on
the orders after the Succession Duty Bill.
Mr. AGLIONBY—As the right hon. gentleman said he
would devote the whole of Monday evening to the clauses
of this bill, he wished to know when the question of tim-
ber, postponed to-night, would be considered ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—It would
come on at the end of the bill.

The house then resumed, and
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained leave
to sit again.

The Resident Magistrates (Ireland) Bill was read a third
time, and passed. _

The Com-mon Lodging-houses Bill was read a third time.
SHERIFFS' COURTS (SCOTLAND) BILL.

The LORD ADVOCATE moved the third reading of
this bill.

The bill was read a third time and passed.
SPITALFIELDS AND SHOREDITCH IMPROVE-
MENT BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill.
When the house resumed,
The Battersea Park Park Bill was read a third time and
passed.

WESTMINSTER-BRIDGE BILL.
On the third reading of this bill,
Mr. FREWEN said, according to the plans which had
been submitted to the select committee, the elevation of
this bridge was put down at 25 feet 6 inches above high
watermark, but by the decision of the committee, carried
by the vote of the First Commissioner of Public Works, the
elevation was reduced to 20 feet. This would materially
affect the navigation, as a sufficient space was not left under
the bridge for barges with straw, and it would also inter-
fere with the arrangements for conveying coal up the river.
He thought the bill had been slipped through in a very ob-
jectionable way ; but as he believed it would be opposed
in another place he would not now attempt to arrest its
progress. _

' Mr. PELLATT should like to hear what arrangements
were made with reference to the temporary bridge, when
the works would be begun, and when they would be
finished ?

Mr. ALCOCK objected to the way in which this bill had
been pushed through the house, and concurred in what had
been said as to the inadequate headway under the bridge.
The Houses of Parliament had. been made 10 or 15 feet too
low, and this bridge was to be sacrificed in consequence of
the blunder. Vauxhall-bridge was six feet above the height
proposed for Westminster-bridge ; and the want of suffi-
cient headway in the new bridge would be a positive in-
jury to the owners of wharves above the bridge, though ho
admitted the decreasing of the ascent for vehicles would be
an advantage. He thought that the Commissioner of
Works ought to consent to give a headway of 24 feet instead
of 20.

Sir W. MOLESWORTH said that the present bridge
was sufficient for the traffic of the river, and yet the most
available arch had but a headway of between 20 and 21
feet, and the new bridge would have a headway of 20 feet
with more than twice the width of the existing arch. That
would be amply sufficient for the present and prospective
traffic of the river, while at the same time the traffic across
the river by land would be greatly facilitated. The hon.
gentleman said the bridge was intended to be made low in
order not to injure the effect of the new houses of Parlia-
ment. He (Sir W. Molesworth) confessed, while consult-
ing the convenience of the river traffic, that it was one of
his objects not to injure the effect of the new building,
which was one of the finest specimens of architecture of its
kind in the world.

Mr. HENLEY thought the explanation given by the
Commissioner of Works most unsatisfactory. There were
bridges below and above Westminster-bridge with a much
higher headway than that proposed to be given to the new
bridge ; and yet by limiting the headway of the new bridge
the convenience derived from the higher headway of the
other bridges would be lost, and a permanent barrier op-
posed to the traffic of the river.
Sir C. BURRELL moved the adjournment of the debate.
The house divided :
For the adjournment of the debate
Against it

Majority iB
On re-entering the gallery we found
Lord 0. HAMILTON protesting against precipikation in
deciding upon this matter. Our architecture was already
quite a sufficient reproach to us in the eyes of foreigners,
and it was most desirable that we should not add to the
number of our defects in that respect.
The house then divided on the third reading of the bill.
The numbers were :
For the third reading 34
Against it

Majority

The bill was therefore read a third time and passed.
The further consideration of the Public-houses (Scot-
land) Bill was postponed till Monday next, and the house
adjourned at half-past one o'clock.

FROM THE LONDON GAZETTE of YESTERDAY.

CROWN-OFFICE, JUNE 29.

MEMBER RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PARLIA-

MENT.

Borough of Stroud—Edward Horsman, Esq., in the room
of Henry John Moreton, commonly called Lord Moreton,
now Earl of Ducie, summoned to the House of Peers.

WAR-OFFICE, JULY 1.

10th Regiment of Light Dragoons—Cornet Dundas Rein-
hardt Gill to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Clements,
who retires ; Cornet Henry Baring, from the 2d Dragoons,
to be Cornet, vice Gill, July 1.
16th Light Dragoons—Lieutenant Robert Goff to be
Captain, by purchase, vice Spicer, who retires ; Cornet
Edward Tottenham Irvine to be Lieutenant, by purchase,
vice Goff, July 1.

Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards—Serjeant-Major
Alexander Falconer, of the Coldstream Guards, to be
Quartermaster, vice Morse, deceased, July 1.
Gth Foot—Captain James Palliser Costobadie, from
half-pay Unattached, to be Captain, vice Reginald Peel,
who exchanges ; Lieutenant Richard Thompson to be Cap-
tain, by purchase, vico Costobadie, who retires ; Ensign
Richard Henry Goodwin to be Lieutenant, by purchase,
vice Thompson, July 1.
_ . _ _

13th Foot—Lieutenant Hugh Maurice Jones to be Cap-
tain, by purchase, vice Busby, who retires ; Ensign John
Augustus Fuller to be Lieuten-mt.,- by purchase, vice Jones;
Thomas Tyacke, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice
Fuller, July 1.
18th Foot—Lieutenant Charles Woodwright to be Cap-
tain, without purchase, vice Cockburn deceased ; Ensign
George William Stackpoole to be Lieutenant, without
purchase, vice Woodwright, March 21.

19th Foot—Lieutenant George Bingham Jennings, to
be Captain, without purchase, vice Brevet-Lieutenant-
Colonel Charles Highmore Potts, who retires upon full-
pay; Ensign Henry Turner Uniacke, to be Lieutenant,
without purchase, vice Jennings ; Gentleman Cadet Am-
brose Marshall Cardew, from the Royal Military College,
to be Ensign, without purchase, vice Uniacke, July 1.
36th Foot—Captain Charles Woodwright, from the 18th
Foot, to be Captain, vice Coote, who retires upon half-pay,
18th Foot, July 1.
37th Foot—Ensign Robert William Webb to be Lieuten-
ant, by purchase, vice Hobson, who retires, July 1.
54th Foot—Staff-Surgeon of the Second Class Eneas
Mackintosh Macpherson to be Surgeon, vice Webster, who
exchanges, July 1.
68th Foot—Ensign Harrison Walker J. Trent to be
Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Nicol, who retires, July 1.
70th Foot—Lieutenant Arthur Henry Creswell Snow to
be Adjutant, vice Rutherford, promoted, May 6.
87th Foot—Assistant-Surgeon George Pishey Thompson
Hill, from the 17th Foot, to be Assistant-Surgeon, vice
Banon, promoted in the 96th Foot, July L
96th Foot—Lieutenant William Munnings Lees, to be
Adjutant, vice H. F. W. Cumberland, promoted, May 6 ;
Assistant-Surgeon Richard George Davys Banon, from the
87th Foot, to be Surgeon, vice Lucas, promoted on the
Staff, July 1.

HOSPITAL STAFF.—Surgeon William Lucas, from the
96th Foot, to be Staff-Surnon of the First Class, vice
Peter Robertson, M.D., weo retires upon half-pay ; Assis-
tant Staff-Surgeon Thomas Guy, M.D., to be Staff-Sur-
geon of the Second class, vice Edward Robertson, deceased ;
Surgeon George Murray Webster, M.D., from the 54th
Foot, to be Staff-Surgeon of the Second Class, vice Mac-
pherson, who exchanges ; Alexander Clarke Ross, M.D.,
to be Assistant-Surgeon to the Forces, vice Guy, promoted,
July I.
BREVET.—The under-mentioned cadets of the East
India Company's Service, to have the local and tempo-
rary rank of Ensign, during the period of their being
placed under the command of Colonel D. Jones, of the
Royal Engineers, for field instructions in the art of sapping
and mining :—John Underwood Champain, Gent. ; Robert
Charles Boileau Pemberton, Gent. • Robert Home, Gent.;
William Strover, Gent. ; John Richardson Maunsell,
Gent. ; Harry Pym, Gent. ; William Chrystie, Gent., Ist
July.

MEMORANDIIM.—The removal of Ensign Henry from the
86th Foot to a Cornetcy in the 14th Light Dragoons, on
the 10th June, 1853, and the appointment of Mr. Thomas
Tyacke to an Ensigncy in the former Corps, on the same
day, have been cancelled.
OFFICE OF ORDNANCE—JUNE 29.
Royal Regiment of Artillery—Second Captain Thomas

Knox, to be Captain, vice Lines, deceased ; First Lieute-
nant Wm. Magrath King, to be Second Captain, vice
Knox; Second Lieutenant Charles Edward Torriano, to
be First Lieutenant, vice King, May 20.
MEMORANDUM.—The date of the promotion of the un-
dermentioned officers has been altered to 19th May, 1853 ;
viz. :—Captain R. P. Radcliffe ; Second Captain J. E.
Thring ; First Lieutenant J. Lyons.
Corps of Royal Engineers.—Second Lieutenant Charles
George Gordon, with temporary rank, to be Second Lieu-
tenant, with
.permanent rank, June 23.
Royal Regiment of Artillery.—Gentlemen Cadets to be
Second Lieutenants.—Horace Percival, vice Waller, pro-
moted; George John Young, vice Purcell, promoted; Henry
Thos. Arbuthnot, vice A. C. Johnson, promoted • Robert
Biddulph, vice C. B. Le Mesurier, promoted ; Wm. Stir-
ling, vice Elliot, promoted ; Peter Edward Hill, vice W.
Stirling, promoted ; Arthur Walsham, vice Philips, pro-
moted ; Stuart John Mildmay Maxwell, vice Pickering,
promoted; Champagne L'Estrange, vice A. W. Johnson,
promotad, June 22.

- Corps of Royal Engineers—Gentlemen Cadets to be Se-
cond Lieutenants with temporary rank—John Fretche-
vine Dykes Donnelly, vice Elphinstone, promoted ; John
Edwin Cornea, vice Cumberland, promoted; Thomas Graves
Lowry, vice Luard, promoted ; William Meredith Somer-
ville, vice Phillpotts, promoted ' Alexander De Courcy
' Scott, vice Fyers, promoted ; Carew Louis Augustus
O'Grady, vice Creyke, promoted, June 22.
[Erratum in the Gazette of Dec. 31—In the list of Gen-
tlemen Cadets, promoted to be Second Lieutenants in the
Royal Regiment of Artillery, for William Alexander
Patrick Willie, read William Alexander Patrick Wyllie.]

QUARTERLY CIRCULAR OF THE SCOTCH
IRON TRADE.

We have received the following Quarterly Circular of
Mr. T. Thorburn, dated—

81, St. Vincent-street, Glasgow, 30th June.
Sir,—During the last three months the production of
pig iron in Scotland has, from various causes, decreased
25,000 tons, when compared with the same period im-
mediately preceding.
The home consumption, and exports foreign, coast-
wise, and per railway, as ascertained from authentic
sources, amount since the end of March to the extraor-
dinary quantity of 295,000 tons.
The stocks, which are now only 325,000 tons, laying
in warehouse-keepers' stores and makers' hands have
consequently been reduced 125,000 tons, and in the face,
too, of a felt scarcity of tonnage and high rates of
freight.
Notwithstanding the large shipments, and a great
local consumpt, but a small advance has been established,
prices oscillatinn. (after a fall of 30 per cent.) between
50s. 6d. and 555. per ton.

Though these low quotations have induced unprece-
dented exports, these rates are unremunerative to the
iron masters in general, owing to the scarcity and in-
creasing cost of labour and ironstone, and have tended
to curtail the production.
112 furnaces are now in blast, being 7 less—than there
were three months ago.

Two furnaces lately put in operation at Lugar are to
be stopped next week.
The averages prices were in January 665. 6d., Feb-
ruary 545. 10d., March 525. 11d., April 525. Bd., May
50s. 10d., June 525. 9d. per ton.
To-day the market is very firm, and an anxiety to in-
vest in the article is apparent. Gartsherrie and Colt-
ness, No. 1, 575. 6d. ; Glengarnock and Summerlee,
565. ; Mixed Nos. g.m.b. 535. to 535. 6d. per ton, cash.
The uncertainty of the issue of the Eastern Question
impedes business.
Manufactured iron generally has declined 15s. per ton,
but rails have, during the last few days, advanced ss. to
10s. per ton, owing to the active demand, not only for
home railways, but for the Continent and America.
Ears, 71. 15s. Rails, 8/. 10s.