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was not the rule. Undoubtedly the practice, and the just
Practice was that all p rson; holding sub( rd.nate ranks in
the, diplomatic profession went into that body without
,paa.,.'slY, and they might be called the " great unpaid."
441eY were first unpaid attaches, then they became paid
attaches, then secretaries of legation, and secretaries of
embassies. But it was by no means the invariable rule
that missions should be filled by persons taken from the
next in rank. He could mention many instances which
occurred in his time where missions were filled by men
conversant with the affairs of the world, but who had not
gone through the various services of diplomacy. There
Was Lord Clarendon, who went as ambassador to Spain
Without having risen through the various ranks to that
Position ; there was Sir Henry Bulwer, and Mr. Wise,
who was now at Athens. Neither of these had gone
Therefore through the previous ranks in the diplomatic service.
it was not the case that the country was depen-
dent for their diplomatic missions upon the system of pro-
rotion, as stated by the noble lord, but was often served
Y men who, though not having filled any previous diplo-
Matic office, yet were by their official knowledge and per-
sonal ability qualified to serve their country in that depart-
nient• The fact was, that those persons who had been long
connected with political life in this country, and especially
members of Parliament, did by practice acquire a great
deal of that knowledge which was essential for well con-
ducting the business' of a aplomatic station. They became
acquainted with the political events of Europe, with public
fr, and were in all respects perfectly competent to per-
tf,r;fla the duties required. Therefore it would be seen that
per-
this country had now the very system which the
noble lord wished to establish. They had the advantage
in the inferior ranks of having men well trained in
diffdiaca.quiring a knowledge of the interests and relations of the
er in countries in Europe, and when a vacancy hap-
pened in any mission it was filled either by some die-
Iflguisbed man who had arrived up from the inferior ranks
3: his capacity to a superior position, or by some person.
°' great talent, who, by his knowledge and personal ability
at home, had shown himself qualified to take charge of the
Mterests of his country abroad. (Hear.)
r- DISRAELI said the last few sentences of the noble
lords The speech completely answered his first observations.
noble lord first assumed that every person who was not
"fined and professionally educated as a diplomatist ought
aot
appointed to that office ,• though he afterwards
,stud that a man who had devoted himself to public life,
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would
endowed with pre-eminent qualifications for
"'Lee, necessarily be selected to fill it. The fact
„as. their own experience contradicted the conclusions of
t"l e noble lord. Why, Beale of the most eminent diplo-
atists of this country, even in our own times, had never
t;ten trained in the inferior ranks of diplomacy. Was
hear Duke of Wellington trained a diplomatist—(hear,
and) --he who transacted such great historical affairs,
tia,clrh° might be fairly called the most beneficial nego-
,,ior of our time Was Lord Ashburton trained a
anPeulatist, and yet was he not highly accomplished,
cfietndthuctit
for conducting
gke upon him the highest office required
diplomatic intercourse ? Who was
hoThomas Grenville ? Was he a trained diplomatist ?
th _ was sent to Paris at the most important epoch
to
d.e history of France.
iplomacy ? Was Lord Castlereagh trained
France.
the instances were so numerous
Pon this subject that those he had adverted to were only
few that had occurred to him without the slightest
ZP not aration. He could prove from experience that there
noble a shadow of foundation for the argument of the
lord, and that his noble friend (Lord Stanley) was
Var ctlY vindicated. He believed that his noble friend
poliaid down a sound and good policy, and that it was a
ksoe,,,„'which must come to pass. The noble lord partially
-uhe to adept'it, but it must be adopted completely.
niereresent
.system was an imperfect training—it was
of hi 4Y a nominal and not a real training. The argument.
the„.? ?hie friend was, that if they wanted efficient men
"'" not take them from trained men. The noble lord
he sZtaltacked that remark when he first rose, but before
thedown he confuted his own argument, and maintained
theyNrn, .eiPle advocated by his (Mr. Disraeli's) noble friend.
ms Disraeli's) firm belief that, sooner or later,
priVveuld have a reform of the diplomatic service on the
thatvele laid down by his noble friend, and he believed
BerViee earrYing out that principle they would render the
they'
and' more efficient and much more economic:al.
the -"""WYER said, the Americans were fully alive to
there''Pertance of diplomatic qualifications. No doubt
at on were many distinguished persons who were adapted
why ee for the office, but that was not a sufficient reason
in t4.;eco°mPlete system of education should not be adopted
in all other which had been found so highly beneficial
verti c°llntries in the world. He advised the Go-
canditndaelltet net to overlook the advantage of requiring from
1,1;
Tsut at any rate,
Plete b s for diplomatic office, he would not say a corn-
some knowledge of civil law.
ledge 411ILLIMORE expressed an opinion that a know-
of civil law was not necessary for the diplomatic
di„,.,;°e• The service in which the greatest ability was
th.vati,a,Yed was the Russian service,. and he was not aware
1,.,."4e functionaries in that service were remarkable for
-eowledge of civil law.
PHILLIMORE said there was very high authority
i.avour of the opinion of the hon. member (Mr. Bowyer)
WIT respect to the necessity of the study of civil law by
tornatists, and that was the authority of Lord Stowell,
° had laid it down that civil law was the basis of all in-
rhational jurisprudence.
THE SIX-MILE BRIDGE AFFAIR.
"Lord '111" -A- VANE moved the following resolution;.—
Perr;-".the exposition of the law set forth by Mr. Just ice
C 144110 his charge to the grand jury of the county of
'hay ofn the, 22d of February, 1853, with reference to the
on erne soldiers employed for the suppression of riots, or
3141ges -I"ericies, is at variance with the opinions of former
do ' °Ape
wa for t sect. to the rules up to the present.. time laid
antanist.ee instruction of military and civil forces, and
hose Qneeni t° the Principles and orders of the Mutiny Act
e tbat-tV'egulations. That it is the opinion of this
th-eLhrldge Nve,,ee,aduct of the soldiers employed at Six-
sid ion `horoughly justifiable, and necessitated by
s Six-
side enema'eY were laced in." After a speech of con-
,er the
noble lord called on the Government
Sir ‘*`PressiO aof
1,11 W. opinion.
ATToR„t,EIt seconded the motion. .
thud to
'-GENERAL-GENERA.L urged that it was most
to the -r the house to enter upon discussions in re-
dey their of the judges of the land, who, while
dependent ofr.„dutY conscientiously, ought to be alike in-
ice Perrin, duty
and of the Crown. If Mr. Jus-
nstice h 8 law were wrong, it would speedily be rectified.
Deea fop ad been done to the soldiers, and the subject had
that ttY debated, and he thought it unjust and unfair
001.04_sea,ould be revived.
ferae4 NORTH complained that, during the debate re-
ae`.. le, no member of the Government had said a word
twice of the army.
hie NAPIER recommended Lord A. Vane to withdraw
Motion
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am.: D. FITZGERALD said, that, when at the bar
Puts
"e
-Terrin had gained for himself the character and ro-
nstituonal lawer ; ant sin pis
right, °f a sound co
a ion to the bench he hadti proved himself aI wise,ce s
up-
light, and impartial judge. With regard to the military,
heraustrepeta what he had before said, that he never saw
greater shuffiing had recourse to in his life to defeat the
ends of justice than they had been guilty of. According
to the doctrine of Lord Holt, Lord Mansfield, and other
English jurists, it did not follow that, because the military
were called out, military law was to be enforced. .They
were merely armed citizens, called out to aid the civil
power in discharge of a legal duty, and if they committed
an illegal act they were amenable for it. He should oppose
the amendment.
Lord A. VANE said that he should not press the amend-
ment.
The amendment was accordingly withdrawn.
The motion was then put and agreed to that the Speaker
leave the chair.
The House went into committee pro forma, but imme-
diately resumed, and adjourned at 1 o'clock till Monday.