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ImpERIAL PARLIAMENT as reach, or even more to our own interest ; bee rawer. ' Pone it until the country has had time to become ac- sent situation of affairs which nothing but the confidence i They bad 11,000 or 12,000 constabulary in Ireland, the the spirit of the People, and'of thatimoral elevation and I
in your justice, your love to the people devoted to You, ' greater part of whom, from the altered condition of the strength of sentiment which, after all, were the great re- COUNTRY MARKET&
' theless, he naust say, that the mode in which the trade quainted with it. (Cheers.)
could hinder from a_ karming their most serious apprehen- se. -
----e5...4,--. with Russia was now carried on was attended with Sir W. VERNER, as an old officer of long experience, country, were engaged in fishing-they were trained source, the chief defence of nations. (Cheers.) In op-
sions. An army of foreign troops-a thing unprecedented, men, they were armed men, they were moral men, and posing it, then, he was simply discharging his duty as EDINBURGH MEAL MARKET-DEc. 19.
SOUSE OF COMMONS-(YESTERDAY.) was persuaded that nething'hould be more unsatisfactory unheard ef, unknown-brought into England, causes but
great inconvenience to British m. erc_han_ts,
.for they not
only had to pay an increased price for Russian produce alarm. They hope their fears may be removed as soon as
• than the proposed employment of mercenary troops by an honour to tile country they served. (Hear, hear.) a member of the legislature ; for he could not imagine Ther. a were in the ma.rket to-day, 16 sacks oatmeal, end&
The SPHALIM took the chair at 12 o'clock. but their ships no longer visited. those ports which they this country. possible, and, in the meantime, that the sword of these If he were asked, eager as he was to secure the services that the Parliament of England had been called toge-
-0 at 01. Os Od, and 0 at 0/. Os.
strictly blockaded an
EPISCOPAL AND CAPITULAR ESTATES had been led to believe were , d the
Mr.- OTWAY said that, having voted against the foreigners should not be intrusted a moment out of your
own hand to any other person whatsoever." iof these men at home, yet he would vote that the greater ther merely to enregister the edicts of Ministers. (Hear, weighing 2801bs imperial, which sold thus :-16 at 24 3se :
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part of the constabulary should be sent to Malta or hear.) And ho hoped that every species of resistance
MANAGEMENT BILL. trade was consequently carried on by neutral ships. He
The Secretary of state for the War Department . ,
second reading of this bill, he wished to Age the reasons Gibraltar, which they could hold against the world. He would be offered to the measure: (Oh, ole and cheers.)
The Marquis of BLANDFORD brought in this bill, thought he had a r i ghotv i
dteo cal le a
toenr tandevaGnotvaegrensmteontthtoe
why he opposed the measure. He shoild be sorry to (Hear.)
said that the Queen might employany troops she pleased DEC. 19.
w.outa consent that these men, if the Government would With regard to public opinion in Germany, he chal- EDINBURGH HAY AND STRAW MARKET-
'Which was read a first time and ordered to be read a take swine stops to p
• rh
had gr
impede the sending out of reinforcements to our gallant a to which the hon. entleman to make trial o
ve them the p y y wore entitled, should lenged the right g f that
British shipping whic been engaged in carrying out cf the country ; but, as Parliament had to pay gl tho market. The rices to-da were as follow :-
mond time after the recess. army in the Crimea, but he believed that we had other
Rasaian produce, or else render the blockade more effie • • countr and fi ht for the ood u f d •. n • if during the short recess about to ensue,
quit the y g gca se. I aske , opinio , and , There was a large supply of straw of all descriptions in
PUBLIC LIBRARIES AND MUSEUMS BILL. .
t so that the entire benefit of the trade should not sources in important Parts in our own empire that could such troops Parliament practically was enabled to check
he would vote that 30,000 of militia should be raised, the people of England applied their minds to the con- . h t d 56 1 t 76d • b 1 d -Odto 68 Ode
tron ;w ea 0., s t o s , ar ey 0., as
Mr. EWART bronght in this bill, which was read a men , .
to th
be thrown in e hands of others. (Hear.) He bad • •
be made earlier available for affording help to that army such a proceeding. He was aware that if they could
h that there was an overpowering necessity for it, it and he would tell the noble lord that the recruits were sideration of the probable operation and effect of the Oat straw, from IP6s 6d to 9syod per kemple of 16 stones
first time and ordered to be read a second time on Friday
said that promptitude and Secrecy were very material ..
than the means offered by this bill. He had seen, from s ow
would net be necessary to adduce a precedent for a bill -
more ready than. the M. inisters who were in want of them, bill, and did net, throughout the kingdom, wherever I Hay from 10d. to 12d ; new ditto, Od to Od per stone,.
the newspaphers that the Sheik and Ghoorka regiments
aut. elements of success in war. In the present war this and, to give a single instance, the recruiting officer at honesty of purpose, true patriotism, sincere regerd for DA_LKEITH MEAL MARKET-DEC. 18.
CONSOLIDATED FUND. country had ranged on One side free institutions, absolute in India, w 0 were especially adapted for this service, of this kind ; but what were the three acts of Parlia-
Belfast enlisted 200 men in one day. They could have England, and a deep-feit sympathy for her stability and
• position 1 The act of 1794 was a remarkable exampterof 12s Od. ' 41s Ocl Ms 01 •
On the raOtiOn for going into committee on the Con• freedom of debate in Parliament and out of doors, and were ready to volunteer for the Crimea. The East India ment which had been cited as justifying the present Do-
Comnanv bta. d
o me powers last session for largely in- .
the jealous care with which their predecessors watched Vrithe men and drilled them in time but the Govern- permanence among the nations of the world were to be , imperial
, OBaa,txnile.eyanil,,e paie,rpse:c(licitot fo 2801bs First. i Second. Thild-
Solidated Fund, unrestricted freedom of the preis ; and, on the other -e - • t had not done their duty, and all'. they now did was found-unite in its condemnation, he would never again
creasing their force of Europeans, and he believed that D esent to Parliament this bill as a great and effectual ask permission to address that house whilst he had the ' Peasemeal, per ditto - s Od -s Od
. Mr. HENLEY objected to going into committete haad, there were opposed to it despotic authority and ,
tuey were now car in those owers into effect. In. over the liberties of the country while aiding the Crown t° • r -s Od -s Od. -s 0,1
' 'without notice. The object of the committee :reef+ . 0 centralised pOwer. What, then, were the advantages or telli ence had beerlYrecgeived tat a treaty of eace had in its difficulties. The act of the 34th ef George 111., measure ; butbthey gave no information as to whether honour of occupying a seat within its walls. (Cheers.) Flour, per ditto
33s Od. - s Od -s Ca
enable the Chancellor of the Exchequer to deal w_ith
.t he disadvantages of these opposite circumstances ? It was,
ght jocts of France to enlist as soldiers in regiments to serve they were to !:. tam men from Italy, Switzerland, Por- Mr. COBDEN said though he believed the historian Pot-barley, per ditto
Savings Banks Funds, and herthought before theitneaso ker_ indeed, true that great advantages were derived from beeng entered into with the sovereign of .Burmpah ; and, chap. 42, sec. 43, was entitled, "An act to enable sub-
tugal, or Spain. Had he not, thlen,da right.to ask whe- would have to record the expedition to the Crimea as -
India bein DeWitt a state of erfect tranquillity, we nei
, our free institutions, and it was to the feeling of national ther these were neeasu.res mien ate to strike terror to the rashest ever undertaken by this country-and that. , DUBLIN, DEC. 19,
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left the chair they ought to have some explana: i n . of
obtain effegctive reinforcerneXts from that b f
quarter e ore on the continent of Europe and in certain other places,
pride and honour which animated our soldiers as well as dto enable his Majesty to grant • • ', . . the Emperor of Rassia-(hear, hear)-and to elevate was saying a great deal-still as we had sent an army ot The 3111)147 !O our corn market t9-day was small,. easa
the necessity for dealing with the subject at this period •
the foreign troops to be raised under this bill could be an commissions, dec.
' the spirits of the people of England ? In his opinion, 30,000 men from home we were bound to support that every description of grain met a brisk demand at Ingner
of the session. officers that must be attributed those displays of brilliant
organised and sent out to the seat of war. He li there could be no measure more calculated to depress the army. (Hear.) But he believed the army would not re- i rates. Wheat must be quoted Is, barley 6d to ls, and oats
ment would be wit
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thou ht 'rah? ur, and. those instances of patient endurance
.of pri- . .
wise objected to the class of men contemplated by tkh " -Whereas, during the
ei; and it recited that,
present war between Great • -
4, wait of the people of England, or to elevate the hopes gard it as a compliment that we wanted to send out to :3ii. to Gd dearer than on Friday. Indian corn and foreign-
the proaer time to make his state vations, which had excited the admiration of the world. heets are als.o held for an advance ; for the latter 25 more
they got into committee. (Cheers.) But, on the other hand, as far as secrecy in fa .
measure. Having had the good fortune to witness the Britai n a n d Fhraenceoen,
tiitnme
linty
ohfe
Eexupreedpiee,notrt
ionr at
hi see
droeragiimnieonn ,
trittilia;e3rlßts,ty;
iv, teci..
ee visp. zst: ojim ,f• the despotic tyrant than the present, which would their assistance, not their own countrymen, but mer- I'''
has been obtained.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said the house could not he respect to military operations was concerned, no one ofhemiany German regiments in the field, he convince him that, though we did not fail in heart and cenary Germans, The newspapers were careful to tell
White wheat, 41s 61 to 44s Od ; red ditto, 38s to 42. 61 ;
in a position to discuss fina.ncial matters without pre- tGmeraninoto underralte rirh e.apabilities. courage, yet we did. in men. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) us that the enthusiasm for the war throughout the
would deny that this country was utterly debarred from effeculledrilcmys
w e believed th:
lions notice. that advantage. Not a regiment could be raised in this n troops, ed y t eir own offi-
tio'lLhgel7NlsvhleaostroingC3iiihtioarseistien Majesty as shall be willine to enlist fie looked upon this as one of the most impolitic and country was universal ; but the fact was proved to be barley, 16,5 6(1 to 21s Od ; oats, 15s Od to les 9d ; rapeseed,
2is Od to 28s Od per bit ; oatmeal, 163 ed to 174 Od ; bakers'
Sir W. MOLESWORTH said all his right hon. friend country, not a supply of money could be asked for from cers, fighting under their own standard, and animated by ,_ i ; h; ar ;
teemstoves .n -,s eareesty's s'ervice ; and to en'able a cer- inexpedient measures ever submitted to Parliament. otherwise by the large deficiency still existing in the 1 flenr, 233 Od. to 273 Od per cwt ; Ilatiau corn, 40s Od to 47s ed
wanted was, to go into committee for the purpose of the traditions of their military history, would perfornii tain number of them to serve and receive pay as officers The best defence he had heard of it was in another house number of men voted by Parliament. (Hear, he ) 480 lb
ar• per s.
Parliament, not an expedition could be contemplated,
. feats of valour second to none in the annals of the weld( . in such regiments, and as engineers, under restrictions : by one of the same character as those whe speak one The Secretary at War spoke of intercepting German ~..-........,................------..,
making a statement. without the Emperor of Russia being immediately in-
Mr. SPOONER insisted that there was no pressin But he bad no confidence in German emigrants. The Be it enacted, that it shall be lawful for such persons • d t th The a t- d th t • ' tl h ill' t f tl
, way an vo e ano er. rgumen use was a emigrants passing iroug is coun ry or le COAL MARKET.-Dec. 20.
g formed of it throu h the news a ers. He would anti 1
• • Secretary at War had told them that these emigrants who were subjects of his late Most Christian Majesty, "it is true that a great mistake had been committed by United States ; but this appeared to be a
necessity for the statement. Besides, many members
had left town under the impression that there would be to history in referegnee to the 4-Ina of secrecy in carrying
would be trained soldiers, but Prussia was the only Ger- as shall be willing to serve his Majesty to enlist as soldiers th M. *str but are we to punish the country for these most puerile argument, for it was notorious that the
e ini
~y, Prices of Coal per ton at the close of the market.
no financial statement before Christmas. on war. In 1805, Napoleon having postponed his in-
mirton:s itoffisllls,b:r lazfuelngrieehriss, alizitj eLtiey• rargtraoaft)tre Wallsend, &o.
man State where every man was of necessity a soldier ; and to acc,pt commissions from his Majesty (which corn-
mistakes ? He had thought over this argumeet, and vast majority of those German emigra,nts were men ad-
Sir F. BARING thought the right. hon. gentleman vasion of this country was reduced to a state of einac- s. dl s. as
, and of his own knowledge he could state that in some of submitted that it was not fair to use it in matters of im- vanced in life, with their wives arid families, and fre- •1 14 s
ought to have an opportunity of making his explanation tirity in his camp at Boulogne, when he was threatened •
the minor principalities and small duchies this was not Be . portance ; but with regard to mistakes as to lint, rags, quently taking out with them their own clergyman and
continent of Europe, or in the islands of Guernsey, &c., 20 0
H •t 1 l6 0 Eden Main
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now ; but the house should abstain fr • t
om cormng oan by a new continental coalition of the most formidable
Y character. Armed as he was at ;di points, he was never- the case ; so that we reall could not have that secu-
or an any Part of the dominions of his late Most Christian and mat.ters of detail, there was no man of generous their own doctor ; and wore those the men likely to go
Hasting's Hartley l7 6 Hetton 2l 6
resolution upon it at present. rit as to the qualit of the's° men that had been held Majesty. Provided that no such fficer or soldier shall be feeling in or out of the house, whb would on these out to Sebastopol 2 (Flear hear ) There was no iEfgtley l7 6 Riddell
19 9'
The house then went into committee. theless placed at that moment in a situation of great
cm?' to us. It was Yquite true that foreign troops had enabled b this act ' ° • ' . . ' • ' ich
y to servo as an officer, or engineer, or grounds complain of the Secretary at War ; but when country in the world, except the United States, in wh CBhuidltdoine W.a
Fllia•asuiwweleillgate
22 0
difficulty. It was only by the greatest accuracy of com• Di ether on
*th our army in the last war but it should soldier in any place 21 3
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the y, a
bin t. aied b the most an enetrable secrec th t
a ion, ai .y . . i. p served wi , except en the continent of Europe, or men we() were appointed to great offices-men who it would be so difficultito establish a footing as in
ere •
be remembered that among those foreign troops
.th .in any of tha islands of Guernsey, &c., or in any part of aspired to be peculiarly the statesmen of the age-men Russia. He had said at a public meeting in 1849, that Longridge's Wst Har
Ho_ward's. West Hartle
tley 18 O'South Hetton
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exPlazultioa he had to make would not be a financ• I
ia he succeeded in extricating himself from this difficult
was only one regiment which did not sympathiseVitha +he dominions of his late Most Christian Majesty. Pro- 21 0
, who gave directions as to the affairs of this country, if Russia were to attack England or the United States, Taufield Moor l7 3 Russell's Hatton
statement •
~ in the ordinary acciptation ot the term, ae- position ; and in these two points-unity of will and se- • h h d H 11 dd t 'd d f rth th t "
the cause in wic we were engage . ea u e o vi e u er, a, in case it shall be deemed necessary or 21 6_
and who could influence empires and the destinies of na- or any other large maritime power, she would be crum- Tanfield. Moor Butes 17 3 Stewart's
Ravensworth Hartley ... , ens ier
Cause tlie resolution he had to propose in no way related creep of design-we had another Napoleon to contend
I the Greek regiment • arid what was its conduct ? expedient to bring any such troops as aforesaid to any part . 18 6
tions-when they made great mistakes he asked the pied up in her own dreary dominions ; and had that Walker Primrose .........16 C Whitwell
to taxes-the subject of taxes in the ways and means of lace in Great Britain fth f d 21 0
t) with in the Czar Nicholas. It was right and proper that I Being or a purpose o ren ezvous, or
house if they were competent for the o .
ffices they filled! not occurred I (Hear hear.) Had not the navy of Wylaia , 9 t, Hartlepool
ae year. It referred exclusively to a matter of adrui- the country should see the distinctioa of circumstances stationed at M'alta, it revolted and seized pos- or. p .
session of one ef the forts, from which it cost us a with a view to operations abroad, and it shall be deemed
necessagor.expedient to land such troops in any part of (Cheers.) ' fleugh Hall . 20 0,
etislzative arrangement, and his object in proposing the which existed in this respect between the two contending If these mistakes only affected themselves Russia been rendered' perfectly useless by the navies
great deal of troulele to dislodge it. If the Government Wellsend, etc. South Kelloe 20 u
ammlution was simply to enable him to print the mea- parties. Ultimately, he believed, civilisation and free had declared it to be their intention to form a Polish Great ritain for health or exercise, it shall be lawful so to it would be of little importance but where these rale- of England and France • but to ettack Russia on land
19 6 \ fees 2l 6
'sure of the Government with the view of its being con- institutions would triumph against barbarism ; but 1 • .h .
emon wit its own officers, he would gladly have sup- do. Provided that such troops so landed shall not be takes were vital and fundamental, and calculated to required something more than we ever yet dreamed of.
801 l and Brown 18 01Whitworth le 0
sidered during the recess. The resolution would form the people of this' country expected that every ported them. If we landed a body of Poles to-morrow •
marched ato the - el' th fi b'n ruin on the countr then such a defence as the He should not now enter further int th al ues-
country to any istance greats! an ve re g Acorn Close
o e gener q _ Gosforth lB 6rowpen 18 0
the foundation of a bill intended to remove the objections effort would be used to bring the war to a speedy termi- l I th d • d Y'
•11 • l 1 ' • •
laroigessoch)mtroopessesahcaolalstw.
itPhrionvildieddaaylsso tohf ats
onooht iicaen odfi
nl ao.nbde• one he ha mentione was most i ogica , and tie se- tion of the war ; but on the bringing up of the report he nediey lB 6 Derwentwater Hartley. 18 0
in the Crimea, with their own officers, he believed that vereet condemnation of the Ministry. (Opposition should take leave to offer some general remarks on the eseramineeriand lB t
which hitherto had been taken to the existing law nation. The couetry, he thought, would not recognise great numbers would desert from the Russians, and a given to both Houses of Parliament, if Parliament ;hall cheers.) They were about to support this bill, but prospects of the war, and more particularly with reeard .....-..---------------.
relating to Savings Banks funds. The subject o
• f any such tendency in this bill-it was opposed to the reat moral effect would be produced from which this then be assembled ; and, if not, within 14 days after the -
there were two owers that influenced the Government to the proposals which the noble tord stated on the pre-
Saaings Banks divided itself into two branches • the general sense of the community, and, believing that he gcountry would derive mu h benefit. He understood then next meeting of Parliament. Provided also, that _RAILWAY TRAFFIC RETURNS.
first was the custody of the moneys, and the se- spoke the sentiments of his constituents and of the hall be at any one time within this kinedom a . . .
-the one a Parliamentary majority, and the other pub- ceding night had been made, at Vienna, by the Emperor
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' • lic opinion. (Hear, hear.) To that public opinion, in of Russia. He should do so because he thought the ,„,
cond the guarantee to be afforded to the deposi- nation at large, he should give the measure his strenuous that a letter had be eaten containing an offer from there never s
Polish prisoners that were detained in our ports
certain ' • greater number of persons who shall have been enlisted
tors. The bill he had now in . view would opposition. under the authority of this act than 5 000 men."
to enlist in our service as soldiers and sailors to oppose ' the shape of, not an ignorant and absurd people, but house, ca,lled together as it had been, should not separate
week ending Dec. 10, 18e4 223,619 4 4,
of the great people of England, expressed after thought, without, if possible, eliciting the opinions of the Govern- 18,455 510
relate to the first of these branches, but it would be his hear.) The second act which had beeen re e
ferr d Correspondine week last year
Mr RICH said that, though he had voted the night our enemy, instead of remaining inactive and a burden (Heart
duty after the recess to bring in a second bill for the ~. e • .
tof the bill he wished to guard him- upon the people of this countrY• If this sterY were true to as a precedent was the 44th of George 111., chap. 75, ,
. reflection and consideration-to that opinion the Go- ment, and, at 11
a events, of expressing their own opi- e
tiREAT. NORTHERN 132,1LWAY.-Traffic return for the'
.uANCASHIRE AND YORKSHIRE RAILWAY.-Traffic re-
purpose of strengthening the guarantees which deposi- peters
.in supper vernment must bow, for by it alone the Ministry nions, otherwise the house would, in his mind, be in dan•
turn for the week ending Dec. 17, 18541 218,393 1 9
tors already possess giving them increased facilities for self against being suppred to'have voted in favour of it showed what was the spirit of the Poles, and how w; which recited :-
existed and the Parliament stood. That opinion was ger of losing its character for independence as the great
enforcing their riglets, and regulating the internal the employment of foreign troops as mere mercenaries. might make them of use in this war. He was convinced " Whereas it hath been deemed expedient by his Ma- against the Government. (Opposition cheers.) That council of the nation. And if. other hon. members re- e for
o der
ot prepared to admit that the Ger- that the great question at issue in this contest would jesty, in rto provide in the epeediest manner for the • CHESTER AND HOLY HEA.D RAILWAY.-Traffic realm
management of Savings Banks. At present the law (Hear-) Ho was n i y instinct-t le ins inc o ceive e same cetninunica, ions from the camp a,s he
inion was a ainst the 1)11 b' - I•t. t f dth • t,' 24,390 13 1
en spoken of as likely to enter our ser- never be solved until the cause of poiand was brought better defence end greater security of the -United Kingdom the neek ending Dec. 17, JB'sl
Corresponding week last year 11,041 10 a
affecting Savings Banks deposits was exceedingly mans who had be h 3,861 12 11
vice-those Germaas,
.e f
meant, who, having obtained before that house and with that subject he was sure the in the present important juncture of affairs, to permit cer- ct),111)e English legation had guided them in this, for they (Mr. C.) did, be thought that a greater act of kindness
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complicated ; Government were only responsible for th • t •ri foreigners now in Great Britain to enlist as soldiers had not had time to consider its provisions. (Hear.) could not be done to the army than to procure a discus- 1 elsorresponding week last yeae
letters of denaturalisation rom err own Sovereigns, Government would have sooner or later to deal But he al
the sums which absolutely reached their hands, •
o er here with a view of emigrating to Canada, wished to ask where these forei n troo s were.to be sta- Increase in 1854
into his Majesty's service, and, for the better disciplining Conscious of the character of the measure, the Govern- sion. At all events, and under any circumstances, the
while they were bound to insert it in a parti-
claumi!etralioyat, or the United States-wherever in fact, the tioned ? Were they to.he billetedgon thepinhabitants of this such soldiers to form them into regiments, and to grant (Dent had not allowed them to do so. By stealth it had army would have the satisfaction of knowing that the
cular security, and an erroneous impression had gone id for the least ld 'le d y
meney-wou ma e goo and country or stationed in our dockyards 1 Supposing them commissions,to certain foreign officersacquainted with their been introduced and hurried through the other house, representatives of the English people did not meet and week ending Dec. 1 , 1854
manners and language ; and it was provided that there in which all the logic, elo d • t •th tth ' tt t• h f b •d C link 1 t
quence, an reason Was on separa ewi ou eir aen ion av og een occupie orrespont g wee as year i1238 3 9
195 19 11
abroad that the interests of the depositor were seriously c 11-- g ld'
it efficient so iers-(hear, hear)-and couplina this with not to be encamped but to be sent to our str n laces rbe i the kingdom "
P ogl3 , should neve more than 10,000 men n . one side. (Hear, hear.) It was then introduced here, with the state of unparalleled misery which that army CORK AND BANDON RAILWAY.-Traffic return for the
affected by the fluctuations of the public securities. the language held last night by the Secrerary at War to Portsmouth Plymouth, Sheerness, or Chatham, would The remaining act was the 54th of George 111. ; and
was no such thing ; but still the depositor had the right
atid the noble lord the member for Tiverton, he was in- not such a ste;) be attended with danger ? Look at the he defied the Secretary at War to show that it autho. and hon. gentlemen had voted in its favour, as was was now enduring in the Crimea. (Hear, hear.) SEA B ORNE MAILS.
their right. Ile would not presume to question that Lord J. RUSSELL said wheaever the hon. member
to demand that the law relating to his security should
mined to think that the views of the Government were class of men of whom they were speaking 1 They had rised the Government to bring into this country foreign sa. ---
be simple and explicit, and that was the main o j
' b'ect of
not confined to such men as these, but that they had in no feeling or enthusiasm in the cause, but came here, troops to be drilled and instructed, and kept here as right-he would net presume -to question the sincerity brought forward that question the Government would
(N signifies that the mails are sent from the General rOStmsfilC•
• ould
this resolution. The bill to be founded upon it w . of those hon. gentlemen ; but many of them had, he be prepared to discuss it with him. In the meantime . _
require the National Debt Commissioners to publish . .
contemplation some means which they did not reveal of as the bon. member for Surrey had said, to under- long as the Government thought fit before being sent y-(hear, hear -an t e o- e was astonis e t a a on. mem er an severe
believed, voted reluctant] ) dh G h •hd htth h b d I
once a year a s ,
tatement of their liabilities on account obtaining valuable and efficient troops, animated by the take to murder for a shilling par day. Now, with the abroad, and then to have their places supplied by others. vernment might thus carry the bill, but they could not other hon. members should make such a misrepreeen- by the uight and Mby the morning--despatcli.)
Day when ma.le up From wi at Wheu
of Savings Banks depositors, and certain other provisions same spirit of resistance to the ambitious designs of numerous Russian agents that were in this country and The act of 1813 gave no power whatever to drill these. in General Post- Port due io
of an important character. The resolution he had to move Russia as were the troops of France and England. He at the Courts of all the petty German princes, nothing troops in England. Well, all these references showed carry with them the convictions of the country. (Cheers.) tation as that the only assistance Government proposed
Office, London.* DisDatche,.. hin_
• , tad.
How could the Government then hope to carry on this to send out to the army in the Crimea was a foreign
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was this, viz. : That it is expedient to create a charge on had, therefore, supported the measure as one of trust could be easier than for these Russian agents to get 20 that there was no precedent far this nieasure in the war, unless supported by the enthusiasm and the union legion, whereas it was well known that in the last COUNTRIES%
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the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom of Great and confidence in the Government, but if he found that or 30 of these men for a certain sum of moaey, and past legislation of Parliament. Was there any sure of an unconquerable people, and in what condition would three months they had aent out 11,500 men. ' ea b Brit ac”N l,:very Friday .. • Liverpool ...lEaCk .7.0
I.lntecricclt bY United Sts.
Britain and Ireland, in respect of the sums due to it turned out to be an expedient for raising a mere mer- send them over to England as emigrants to enlist in the port for it, then, in the principles of the constitution ? they stand without such support ? Never was there (Hear, hear.) He regretted that everY atteluPt mpacitKej Y.-- :...iclNov. 14.... .... Liverpool ... JAIL 3
Savings Banks and Friendly Societies, and ao provide cenary force, he should be no longer willing to extend proposed mercenary legion. And what would be the The profound, sagacious, and patriotic men who settlee a Ministry which had held office .or made war had been made to degrade the character of men uncrica (by IT States
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3,- Noy. 22.... ~..... Southampton
for the payment of interest thereon to the Com- to them that support. He was a.ware that in the com- result ? Why they may do irreparable damage in our under such favourable circumstances. They had their who might with every sense of honour be prepared P.;eicelit) i•j"• •• -
missioners of the National Debt at three per centum the principles of the constitution always contended for
mencement of a war mistakes must occur, but he could dockyards and irsenals. , (Hear, hear.) This, there• the great end fundamental maxim that the army should treasury filled with money, England prosperous, Scot- to enlist in our service. (Hear, hear.) He would not "2„tiirpat:e3e) ‘.: -.3.
..B:fiLtjci Jan, 4 ...•• ...• .• Southampton Feb. 7
4,9, 24, & 30 of in. Dover ......
per annum, and also to make provision out of the not shut his eyes to the fact that more mistakes had oc- fore, was a point worthy of attention, and the house consist of the same body as the people, that they might laud wealthy, and Ireland, what he believed it had enter more fully into the question now, but would only Ditto (via Marseilles) N 'Jan 9
said Consolidated Fend, or by Exchequer Bills or curred on this occasion than were absolutely necessary should require information from the Government upon have the same spirit as animated the people. Mr• Grey never before been for centuries, profoundly tranquil, repea,t what he said last night, that thia bill was only Ditto (via Cape of Goodi
..N,Dee. 4 ..... •• ..•• ... Uncertain
or indeed defensible. One source of difficulty be saw, it. It was impossible to separate thee measure from,the and every eminent authority among the Whigs, when both Protestant and Catholic agreeing to unite in the the first of a series of measures which the Government
..t,Yjoepae(),,v7; '&113 J.; flirt of tile month .. Plymouth ..
Exchequer Bonds, for any difference which may now or
hereafter exist between the assets in the hands of the which he thought might be easily removed. In the con- conduct of the war hitherto. He admitted that We ‘ the. Whigs had a party, invariably taught-though the good cause against the common enemy. They had the intended to bring in for the prosecution of the war ; Alexandria ........ :. N
Commissioners for the Reduction of the National Debt duct of the war it was essential, he thought, that that could not expect to enter into a great war with a peee. Seer „tery at War might deride theirs teaching -that
in respect Of savings banks and friendly societies, and portion of the members of the Government who had the establishment without making many mistakes of detail, sekle enything unprecedented was attempted, however tnost favourable assurances from every part of their vast and he was sure that when the peoiee of England Aicxarieria..........xli ith & 20th of mo'•• "out hampton
empire. Yet, though aided by all this, and with all became aware of the true scope of those measure 3 . Daily
the liabilities thereon ; and also for the interest on such largest portion of support in the house and in the coun- but he could not refrain from neticing the want of ordi- sneall,,it must be watched and resisted at the outset, these resources at their command, the best thing that the they would perceive how much they had been misled by li';=,.;;;;;;::::..ae9th of the ';:iiCaith.. 3 .•uthatup.,,,n Dec. 16
Bahamas .............ANillll7Ciye.f tb. e mont.b. =imp ton
Exchequer Bills or Exchequer Bonds. The second bill try should, while they were responsible for the conduct nary precaution shown by eome departments of the pnb- lest it should be drawn into a precedent for innoratiens uoited wisdom of a Coalition Cabinet could devise was the speeche3 of hon. members v;ho opposed this bill. Buenos Ayres ........ m ,9th ol the month.. Southain,. f, n _is:
would relate to the management of savings banks and of the war, have more power of action in carrying it on. lie service. At this time last year Ministers must have of a larger and more dangerous character. But another this bill, by means of which they were to go begging (Hear, bear.) Cape of Good Hone ...IN Various ports Uncerw
the rights and securities of depositors. He did not know whether it were accidental or not, but known that there was every probability of a war with throughout Europe- perhapa to the King of Bavaria- Lord C. HAMILTON complained that the Govern- aI2
(&;,,: gGV7rdellio.p.e.. III: Oth of the month Southasoptor,
Mr. DISRAELI thought the proposal of the Chan- it so happened, that every member of the Government Russia. Hurried attempts were being made at our great English writer pointed out the true source of the
greatness of empires, and drew the following distinction for soldiers ; and the chief ground for this was alleged ment had called hon. members at this unusual season Ceylon (see India) t •
calor of the Exchequer was reasonable enough ;it was who was in any way connected with the departmental dockyards to fit out our fleets for service ; and when between mercenary forces and the true support of a to be the enthusiasm of Germany. (Opposition cheers.) of the year from all parts of the united empire to deli- C eylon .. .. .. ..., ....
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impossible that the house could be in a position to administration of the war belonged to a party of great hon. members asked why a partiuular class of vessels The Secretary at War had said that there were a great berate on measures affecting the war, and when they htlfilllei Isles•• •• •••••••;:.; lel Pc.l7th of montl Sewutthaarnp t°onii
' consider the measure of the Government until they had country-Lord Bacon : and he hoped there was a copy
ability, industry, and integrity, no doubt, but who cer- was not sent to a particular quarter, the answer of the of his writings in the War-office. (A laugh.) Lord many hungry people in Germany, and he (Mr. White- had assembled to find such a measure as this bill China (see .I.n.ji.aj. ! *
the measure itself before them. Now, the bill could tainly did not possess a very large bedy of supporters in First Lord of the Admiralty was, that wo had not the side) believed it-(a laugh)-who wished to quit their proposed to thein to enlist the services of a, foreign c onstantinople ......N itt,13,,15,23,&28 of m Dover ......
not be introduced according to the forms of the house that house, and a still less following, perhaps, out of it. men nor the gun-boats that were required. Well, but " Therefore, let any Prince or State think soberly of his country, and these men would become so denationalised legion. (Hear, hear.) He would place no reliance Constantinople ......„,lth 20th of mon. Southampton
without a preliminary resolution, and he therefore This was quite opposed to a determinate system of at that particular conjuncture, 12 months ago, when forces, except his militia of natives be good and valiant
Bacon said-
that, having once enlisted them, this country would have on the enthusiasm of Germany in this cause, of which the t; ore t. Europe M& N , Twice daily ...... Dover ...... TWieedislir
E,3, pto(fsee India) - I
thought they ought to agree to it pro forma action, and he did not think it was at all for the inte- preparations were so urgent, we actually turned our soldiers; and let Princes, on the other side, that have sub-
to keep them for all time. But that on which the Go- Secretary at War spoke so confidently ; and be believed Fia;ice-........ 31 & I:lT:vice daily-- - Dover ...... Twicedef
rest ot the countr that a ler e bod of men of reat nves ls tf d k d dmitted two Russian jects of martial disposition know their own strength,
lhae• HENLEY hoped the eff tof the tw.o bills would . . .5' g a g ow. ecouooc an a . un- 31 \4, 7,17, 20, 27 of en. Snithampton Deo. 20
be to preeient. the te.mperino ee
h 1 th be otherwise wanting to themselves. As for vernment mostly relied was the enthusiastic spirit of the public opinion and enthusiasm of th:s country had
I di )
with savings banks a - •tx 01.:
iie part of the State m
o mat experience and energy of action should be alto- ships, which were there armed and sent to sea. This ess eY . . • . thG 1 d th• h t d th ttb f 1 ttd
mercenary forces (which is the help in this case), all exam- e erman peop e, an on eir ear an sympa y no ye een air yes e . . Greece (see n a
,„ytown .......„ ..m,2ed& 17th of mon. Southampton entre&
lionld not object to ether shut out from a share in the conduct of the war. was surely bad enough, but what followed he should h t h t Et t P • dth t bein with this countr He liked s m athetic friends Mr DANBY SEYMOUR said he should not be doing 't-
Asmbur,li ........ -NlTuesday & Frids3 London .....
the passing of the resolution, but it: ISt tbe pies show ta, w a soever .sa e or rine? o res g . .Y.
.y I) I . • . , . , i a,i, ,0 2,,d of
ne understood LLe hoped, therefore, just as there had been changes in think must have caused some remorse to the First Lo d the montr Southern :kin Dee, le
that it did not bind the house to the principle ot tbe the composition of the Miniatry last session, that, with- of the AA • •
, 7 action of the home, they would see, before the the harbour of Petropaulovski, in the unfort t
miralty. The Aurora having taken refuge in •
r upon them, he may spread Gibraltar ..
his feathers for a time, but he but he liked to see that sympathy evinced, not by words, his duty If, by his vote, he prevented the sending of a ..avann ........ -• , . • . .p
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Holland ...• • • - - -MI Daily.... • • .. Dover -..... Daiir
mi,94:lll:::s?thtl:ofeomfnm:::::thnt .1,
Dei.
Government measure. - out an ' '-
reassembling et 'Partial...at, acme change made is the tiorx which took place there a short time ago he found ' r ' but by actions. (Cheers.) He liked to have such friends single
.man to the Crinaea ; for he considered that our itondura,
fair H. WILLOUGHBY questioned the policy-sof re- una eac Hear hear ) What was the lesson taught by the ex- as our allies ot France, because he understoed that army was in a critical situation, mainly owiug to the in- fudia (viaSouthampt )
- rill mew them soon after."
ducing the interest on Sarings Banks deposits. present distribution of office, which wooia impart a portion of ou; navy was
dens by that, -.....-y nuo.aa,n, %lily. wisaela we allowea_to
that the damage done to a ' arnples ot the great States of old I when Marius en. elliance-it was an alliance of a courageous and chival- efficiency of the Government. (Hear, hear.) He, in India (via Marseil.l.es.).Mm, ,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said greater energy to the carrying on of the war. \ eited,the rah.2ll; and.for ot th a.t. •r .
g ..... e,n
IT zit Ala of the peo- roux people, given on disinterested principles, to en
tyrann; throughOuZ thelVolk .owsiLotl,:craesse:eutteothilwu,moti;sto_r...despotic tyrant. able common with rnost other members, was opposed to this freenie:nndesle.s.(:ee. An (e,,t2ai,i i7iwii7e& 27 of mon Doi. er.. ....
daily ...... lloiyhead ~. Twieedati
the interest payable to Savings Banks depositors wee Mr. DRUMMOND-I think, perhaps, it is an act of escape from our hands in the way-he had stated. Toundation of military But bill. (He:,e, hear.) While we were besieging, or rather Lisbon.. .......... -al7, 9, 17, &270 f m. Southampton D6C. 15
Hear hear ) The right hon. member for Buckineh am- aynapethy ef the Gee- not besieging, Sebastopol, what were the 54 ships of war vadeira . .
not in any way affected by this resolution. charity for some person te rise and protect the Govern- Ile said, then, that such a measure as this was degrad- man people'? Ile wondered that the right hon. gentleman doing I Not employed in cannonading the batteries of siadeira ... .....; •; .. /,‘ 123 d of month • • ..ILiver Pt° 6
( . 'f• d 1 • T dal El. 1 d
shire re erre ast night to hucy ies t but •ng an I pool ... pee. 1
terd J. RUSSELL deprecated discussion until the ment from thcir own supporters-(laughter)-for reaily, ino to England and destructive of the political charac- ' could muster gravity sufficient to enable him to advance Sebastopol, but idling about Balaklava. (Hear ''''ira ('eelndu;) - I
had produced a historian not /second to that classic * , hear.) , ' - ,
till was before the house. sir, no bomb that ever arrived at Sebastopol eau bare • - • • . ter of those who prepeunded it. This was not the I such an argument. He (Mr. Whiteside) had read their The ports of the Black Sea-Taoanroe for instan e 'fait,:
........... „ ..N ,8, 18, & 25 of men. Dover ...... Dee. 2)
• writer whose natne wail immortalised b his histor of the ce- Mauritnts (see India) 1
The resolution was then ag•reed to, and, the house made a greater explosion than this shot frcm behind, Y . Y case of Portugal fighting for Portugal-of Spain blue books and diplomatic despatches, but could not dis- were furnishing Russia with all the elements of war. Nfaurltis .. ''f
.. „ „...N, 4th of the month
e 1 a '
d erne nd fall of a great empire. Some of the pages
heving resumed, leave was given to bring in a bill informing her Majesty's Government that upon this fighting for Spain-of the emigrant French fighting corer this enthusiasm on the part of Germany ; and how And further, he was informed that the Greeks were M,,,e1„1T, "" ..... ...31 2nd of the month.. southampten Dec. 16
• of that philosophic writer he would commend to the at- ~ a ,Othlsth2btholmor.. Dover ......
founded on it. vital question of the war, every single department in it, . roc France-of the Swiss fighting for Switzerland ; but could the petty States dare to show it, knowing that monopolising the Ruseian trade, to the •1. f - -Le- - - **- - -
• t 's Ministers and more es email
tention of her Majes y . , p y pre.) 11, Ice 0- New Granada 31 ,2d & qui of ior!onth Southampton
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ENLISTMENT OF FOREIGNERS BILL. from the Ordnance to the Commander-in-Chief, is in the it was the mendicant policy of a Minister who set out Russia would crush them instantly, and most probably British merchants, who put faith in the faithless New Zealand ..
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.......... By private ship .. Various por Urns
those in which, speaking of the statesmen who by their
On the motion for goine into committee on this bel hands of that part of the Ministry in which it ought not .11 . .1.
pusi animi et accelerated the fall of the Roman Empire, eor the continent to beg troops wherever they could be hang those whom this 'Government might send out to declaration of Government that a, blockade would be Papal States „ ......i,4sthlsth2sthofmon. Dover ......
' ' ' be (Hear hew. and lauehter )
Mr. NEWDEGA.TE asked whether any steps had '") • ,• , o • found, and to pay them for cutting the throats of the them ? The right hon. gentleman subsequently spoke of established in the Black Sea. (Hear, hear.) The hon Peninsula ...,, .74 i 7 thl7th27thofmen. Southampton
he said that crafty Ministers substituted temporary ex- Peru .............. M 12d & 27th of mon. Southampton
been taken for bringing British troops from India to be Mr. RICH said, he made no such observation. men who were to be opposed to them. (Hear, hear.) the confidence placed in the treaty with Austria, which gentleman then went at length into the means of Port Natal ..........N By private ship... Various ports UnCertaiff
pedients for salutary counsels. He could not but view When asked why he did not send out mor t t b d d t nds and had received with acla- Ru • d tdd th h • ' '•, - s h 25 h f -
Is 5t..1115.t. . t o ruon, Diner ......
used for the pnrposes of the war ? Mr. DRUMMOND-Well, well, sir-her Majesty's h e roops o every oy un ers a , sae, an con en e at er resources were failing. siees' •- -•••••• •• • •
t e present bill as a mere temporary expedient. Why the Crimea, the Secretar Tuscany ............N sthlsth2s tholmon. Dover -- .. .
Lord J. RUSSELL declined to enter into any ex- Government have got the numbers on their side, and yat War answered that they mation. Prussia, hostated, had ceased to be equivo- It had been said b a reat French writer tl
y g iat
were the Government uot prepared to mention the name must first get recruits, and next th tth d • •B .. fd t dtht ll t Vene.,',uela •
planatian of what the Government had done or intended they are wise enough to care very little about the a ey must rill eating, :mem was our con e era e, an a a were a grea war was a war of budeets-a war to see who van DiernelfaLand(*eei
ar" of Poland and to rally round them those who were
them, which required several months. But if the Go- ready for a consideration, to raise and aid us to fight could hold out the lon est and tri b t t • 1 Australl )
to de, for collecting troops. gurnents. I was exceedingly sorry, sir, to vote as I e es way o cripp e
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d t '• t • th 1 ? Wh dal th
rea y • ems in e strugg e . y i ey not call is
', d & 17th o 1 m tb IS thampterlDee.
"gr. H. LIDDELL said, he had hitherto abstained did last night. I think her Majesty's Ministers have vernment knew that it would take all this time to train our cOmmon enemy. The people of this country would, Russia was to d g '
estroy her commerce. The house, per- "cl'' "(nes •• •• • • ••A on i oi__L_____....e,
upon men above 30. years of age, and tell them of th
irom addressing the house on the important question done themselves wrong. The fact is that the count these recruits, why did it come to the extraordinary however, decide whether a more important measure than haps, was not aware that all the munitions of \star-
ry need for their exertions I Let them raise the bonnt if
iarolved in the present bill, because he was anxious that look upon this bill as very much like what they • y conclusion that war was to be declared with a great the present bad ever been submitted to a deliberative the powder, the cannon balls-all came down the Don When any of these dates fall ol a Sunday, the mails will 14 6,,f;
that were necesisary, and offer every inducement to the •litary power like Russia befo to •
sspatched on the following day, with the exception ot the Ind , ~,,,
re we were prepared to assembly, and would regard it as such if it were possible and the Volga, to the sea of Azoff, and were conveyed
as little delay as possible should be interposed before the call at Newmarket a " dark horse." (Laughter.) countr f d dfi hall • b ttl dth mi •
yto come orwar an g eir a es, an en, meet it I Let the house mark the dates Th G d t raise men in the petty German States and to find such b land to Sebast 1 TI outhampton),tmd the Malta, both of which will be despatched '''
e uar s o esi
y . . opo . ie Ru, ans had fortified the preceding dam •
house came to a decision with respect to it. But since There is a suspicion, sir, that all is not fair and proper no doubt, we should win other victories equal to (for tt M lta •F b ' Id D I 1d h It had been
ere sen o a in e ruary, and war was declared a man ae Duga a getty to ea t ens. place for embarking their stores, and this place was not
that decision had now been arrived at, and since much ab t 1 (Opposition cheers
ou i . .) I have heard insinea- it was impossible to surpass) those of Alma and In- -
amend the Militia Bill for Ireland on the llth of q
wor at least meant to be declared o h • h th. b f p r
e 26th of said, now t at is measure was e ore ar lament, that more than 25 miles from Eupatoria one of the finest Fr IND AND WEIMER REPORT.
time was not likely to be spent on the details of the tions-some were made last night by the hon. gentle- k man which would lead to an honourable and lasting March. Well, what course did com-monnt none but mistaken and wrong-headed men would write ports in the Black Sea. What would have been eas'
measure, he now felt it his duty, as the representative of man who moved the amendment, but I will not repe. t er
' H sense-not ier
a peace. ( ear, hear.) ay statesmanship-then dicate ? T sa
t mercenaries. He had the honour of the ac- than for a portion of our magnificent fleet to ha
uaintance of Sir W. Napier, and of many distinguished chored at Theodosia, and from that plwacheocsuptokovffee
one of the moat important towns in the kingdom, to them, for I really do not know and, indeed, I can't • "
M WHITESIDE said that he had listened with to s .. ..... . ..e. . hey only sought agains
to
hal Sheffield 9O
WEDAEIMIY, Dec. - •
make some observations with respect to the measure. know whether they are well founded or not ; but of this -r. Why did they he
some .
attention to the speech of the honourable mem- August. not embody the English mi officers in the Crimea-there could be no mistake about supplies Russia received from her fortified fort? Wht stations. Course of Wind. State of weather.
He had seldom heard a speech less conclusive than that lam certain, from the language used to myself by every
ber for .
Richmond (Mr. Rich), who belonged to that litia before they declared war ? Why did they not do them, and if civilians were incompetent to judge of these the question of the war again occupied the attent. 6n Greenwich N
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Strong breeze-Rain.
which had been delivered by the noble lord the leader of person to whom I have spoken on the subject, and I ion of
what the Duke of Wellington and Lord Hardinge and matters they must go to military authorities. And he the house he should have a few words to address to it on
rising party in the country who spoke one way and Lothbury
the house in support of the bill. The noble lord seemed may say chiefly by friends of her Majesty's Government,
oted another (Hear, hear.) That hon. member every man of common sense suggested ? Though they would read to them what the historian of the Peninsular the resources of Russia. Manchester N.W Cloudy- Cold.
to argne that, because in all former wars foreigners had that there is an idea that some ulterior measure is con- v Bradford N. Frosty.
was of op ni passed a bill in August to raise 30,000 men in Ireland war, a man of unexampled courage, Sir W. Napier, had maIpHILLIPS, like the hon. member
been employed in conjunction with the forces of great cealed behind. (Hear.) That is the expression used b i •on that the Ministry might be advantageously S.E . Fire.
y structed, and possibly the hon. gentleman might it
was
not anal they had resolved to Stllll/11011 Perna'. written on this subject :-" And shall," he wrote, ~ a had supported the second reading of this bill, but '
recon
countries, therefore they must be employed by England the hon. member who spoke last, and this, I say, is not unlike Wakefield
himself be induced to assist in that work. (A lau h. that in order that the mi h a d icked u for old without na- hint he voted for it aceo '
g i meat, ; y g-t have some excuse mere mercenary bn , p p g , , rding to his opinion of its merits Carli 1
in the operations of the present war. I tie'
nis statement fair dealing. (Hear.) The country has been taken en-
there He trusted that the sound views expressed by the to offer, and that they might appear at last to be con- tional feeling-poor miserable hirelings, selling their and ia the belief that it was an expedient measure ''' s e
was a ccmfounding together of two species of allies tirel b
y surprise by this measure. (Hear.) There are Ler caster
they were as perfectly distinct as light from darkness-, t. y holdi I hon gentleman wo Id t•
u prove sa isfactory to his own con- scious of the situation of the country, th P • C •1 r b dl•es ay their very souls for lucre-ready, Mr. ALCOCK believed that the standard liad no't been
e rivy ounci im san iv „ Whitehaven
mee ings
.ng, . know, at this moment, and others
scien. Ca and to his constituents. Three speakers had issued directions as to the quotas of
men to be provided without a cause, to murder, to slay, or be slain, and, of sufficiently reduced, nor was the bounty large enou M t
namely, confederates and naercenaries. (Hear.) He in contemplation m the country, and I believe from gh, and arypor N.W Clear-Cold.
would have all the confederates the country ld - addressed the house on the part of the Government th
-- e by each county in Ireland. (Rear.) These patriotic and course, ready to change sides for higher pay if good oc- for that reason he should oppose the house going into Stoke-on-Trent . N W Fine.
con get in what I gathered last night from the very contradictory L d P •
or ,
resident the Home secretary, and the secretary indefatigable men, who had readily obtained eve vote casfen effer-shall such varlets stand in line beside our committee. Our object then ought to be to obtain 1- Bris'sol N.W Cold-Windy.
carrying on the War ; but it had not been made at all s eeches which were made, that there is great jealousy
clear what advantage this country was likely to obtain p•
•
existrng on the subject. But the country has a right to at War ; and he hoped the house would permit him to
make a few observations on the arguments which those Co d who affect d
of men and money they asked for from the HorYuse of noble soldiers who fight shouting ' England ! England e diers who would sympathise with us, and he, therefosree Plymouth
Torquay N.W
mmons, au e to overflow with compas- and dying murmur, 'We have done our duty' I" advocated an application to the independent 'people of Much iain.
in carrying on the war with these mercenaries. (Hear.) know freely and fairly, what you are going to do. •
eminent statesmen had submitted to the British Parlia- sion for the sufferings of our Tauntoa N.W Windy.
gallant army in the Crimea (Cheers.) He (Mr. Whiteside). trusted that there was the Caucasus, from whom we might not only expect an se, es
If the Government had come forward and said that Lord (Hear) Now, I think all that has been said about its
ment summoned together at that unseasonable period It too much to ask what th ife self-reliance and addition of 40 000 or 50 000 men but w aea N.W Cloudy.
Raglan was in want of disciplined and trained soldiers, being unconstitutional to employ foreign troops is down-
of the' on at and im • -
year, a gre portant question. The was .ey had done with the as much of that patriot c eling, , , „ e shonld have Heverforda est N W
powers and resources so confidingly placed at their dis• courage left which had distinguished our forefathers as their sympathy, and all the advantages of moral jeined Bath - - .
and that they were in a condition to state that by the right trash. (Ministerial cheers.) If this be a bona fide N.
passing of the present In
'll they would be able to provide measure for taking into our pay 30,000-or any number noble lord (J. Russell) gave them, as was his wont, a p sal ? They had the power of raisi 30 000 . ld hi this countr to avert that disgrace which, to physical force. There was one banner under h. h C l'ff
ng , men in wou ena e y . . . . wie .an i N.
h t th t dis uisition on the balance of power-a very tickli h- ° • N h received a I
s Ireland. ow, e he • ld fi h dfih ' • •
etter from Lord Ennis- according to the account of the distinguished soldier he tet nation wou gt, an g t willingly-it was the Southampton N.W Rain.
that general with a large body of.suc roops, a would of thousands you please---of lawful troops, it will have :1 lof a militia •
go a great way to remove .
his objection to the measure. my most cord' 1 t (H ) S f • t
m supper . ear. uppose, or ins ance, an delicate ground on which to tread at the commence- killen, the colone regiment in Fermanagh had mentioned would tarnish the hitherto unsullied banner of that nation which was at war with Russia. Cowes ' N.W.
f h Ic.
But the Government had stated nothing 0 t e Ind. the King of Bavaria were to say, " Here, I have got oo e
tf th Th. dt • fthh la f • h Government had d ' ' h Admiral WALCOTT could not forbear ex • P 1
men o e war. is oc rine 0 e a nce o power which t e or ered to be raised, and arms of a free and courageous people, were tey to em- pressing how N.W Cloudy.
was subject to Many limitations when understood, not what did the colonel of that de lored the introduction of this m Poetsmouth
ent say 1 Why, that ploy mercenaries to aid them in the present war. (The much he p . easure, be- D Rain.
On the contrary, the Secretary at War pointed to 30,000 men ; I cannot pay them, but you may ;" if you et received trhegina
the fact that some 30,000 German emigrants came like to confederate with him, and send them to Sebes- merely as it was viewed by writers and thinkers, bat as he had never y
d th e order to embody it, al. hon. and learned gentleman resumed his seat amid loud .
cause experience told him what a state the country must orchester N. Fine.
Brighton N.W
- . . it was viewed bv the common sense of mankind; It was though he got an or er ree months ago, indeed, to cheers.) be in when they are compelled to resort to foreign mer• Frosty.
-I 41...4. 43.- ..,-.-4.-2-• lurrnikript,T, eeuaries. (Hear.) It was no momentary ornba.rra.e_ .eter:bhrough ..... S.W Fine.

sent situation of affairs which nothing but the confidence
in your justice, your love to the people devoted to you,
could hinder from alarming their most serious apprehen-
sions. An army of foreign troops—a thing unprecedented,
unheard of, unknown—brought into England, causes but
alarm. They hope their fears may be removed as soon as
possible, and, in the meantime, that the sword of these
foreigners should not be intrusted a moment out of your
own hand to any other person whatsoever."
(Hear.) The Secretary of State for the War Department
said that the Queen might employany troops she pleased
out cf the country; but, as Parliament had to pay
such troops, Parliament practically was enabled to check
such a proceeding. He was aware that if they could
show that there was an overpowering necessity for it, it
would net be necessary to adduce a precedent for a bill
of this kind ; but what were the three acts of Parlia-
ment which had been cited as justifying the present pro-
position 1 The act of 1794 was a remarkable example of
the jealous care with which their predecessors watched
over the liberties of the country while aiding the Crown
in its difficulties. The act of the 34th of George 111.,
chap. 42, sec. 43, was entitled, " An act to enable sub-
jects
of France to enlist as soldiers in regiments to serve I
on the continent of Europe and in certain other places,
and to enable his Majesty to grant commissions," &c. ;
and it recited that,
" Whereas, during the present war between Great
Britain and France, it may be expedient to raise regiments
to serve on the continent of Europe, or in the dominions
of his late Most Christian Majesty, and to enlist as soldiers
in such regiments such persons, who were subjects of his
late Most Christian Majesty, as shall be willing to enlist
themselves in his Majesty's service ; and to enable a cer-
tain number of them to serve and receive pay as officers
in such regiments, and as engineers, under restrictions :
Be it enacted, that it shall be lawful for such persons,
who were subjects of his late Most Christian Majesty,
as shall be willing to serve his Majesty to enlist as soldiers
and to accept commissions from his Majesty (which com-
missions it shall be lawful for his Majesty to grant) to
serve as officers, or as engineers, in any part of the
continent of Europe, or in the islands of Guernsey, &e.,
or in any part of the dominions of his late Most Christian
Majesty. Provided, that no such officer or soldier shall be
enabled by this act to serve as an officer, or engineer, or
soldier in any place except on the continent of Europe, or
in any of the islands of Guernsey, &c., or in any part of
+he dominions of his late Most Christian Majesty. Pro-
vided further, that, in case it shall be deemed necessary or
expedient to bring any such troops as aforesaid to any part
or place in Great Britain for the purpose of rendezvous, or
with a view to operations abroad, and it shall be deemed
necessary or expedient to land such troops in any part of
Great Britain for health or exercise, it shall be lawful so to
do. Provided that such troops so landed shall not be
marched ito the country to any distance greater than five
miles f )nr the seacoast. Provided also that notice of land-
ing such troops shall within 14 days of such landing be
given to both Houses of Parliament, if Parliament shall
then be assembled ; and, if not, within 14 days after the
then next meeting of Parliament. Provided also, that
there never shall be at any one time within this kingdom a
greater number of persons who shall have been enlisted
under the authority of this act than 5,000 men."
(Hear, hear.) The second act which had beeen referred
to as a precedent was the 44th of George 111., chap. 757
which recited :
" Whereas it hath been deemed expedient by his Ma-
jesty, in order to provide in the speediest manner for the
better defence and greater security of the United Kingdom
in the present important juncture of affairs, to permit cer-
tain foreigners now in Great Britain to enlist as soldiers
into his Majesty's service, and, for the better disciplining
such soldiers, to form them into regiments, and to grant
commissions to certain foreign officers acquainted with their
manners and language and it was provided that there
should never be more than 10,000 men in the kingdom."
The remaining act was the 54th of George 111. ; and
he defied the Secretary at War to show that it autho-
rised the Government to bring into this country foreign
se as
ltoronogpasst
theo
Government b e drilled and
thoughtinstructed,
fit
abroad, and then to have their places supplied by others.
baenfdo r e k ebpeti herebeing sent
The act of 1813 gave no power whatever to drill these
troops in England. Well, all these references showed
that there was no precedent for this measure in the
past legislation of Parliament. Was there any sup
port for it, then, in the principles of the constitution ?
The profound, sagacious, and patriotic men who settle('
the principles of the constitution always contended for
the great and fundamental maxim that the army should
consist of the same body as the people, that they might
have the same spirit as animated the people. Mr. Grey
I and every eminent authority among the Whigs, when
the Whigs had a party, invariably taught—though the
Secr;tary at War might deride their s teaching—that
wiseu anything unprecedented was attempted, however
sntall,,it must be watched and resisted at the outset,
lest it should be drawn into a precedent for innovations
of a larger and more dangerous character. But another
great English writer pointed out the true source of the
greatness of empires, and drew the following distinction
hoped there he was
a copy
between mercenary forces and the true support of a
country—Lord Bacon . and
of his writings in the War•office. (A laugh.) Lord
Bacon said—
" Therefore, let any Prince or State think soberly of his
forces, except his militia of natives be good and valiant
soldiers; and let Princes, on the other side, that have sub-
jects of martial disposition know their own strength, un-
less they be otherwise wanting to themselves. As for
mercenary forces (which is the help in this case), all exam-
ples show that, whatsoever Estate or Prince sloth rest
upon them, he may spread his feathers for a time, but he
will mew them soon after."
.(Hear,-hear.) What was the lesson taught by the ex-
amples of the great States of old I When Marina en-
listed the rabble and forgot the native militia of the peo-
va.,- ,x3mon.r.7,era 'Wu' .4....ntaregi laserrtikaa, sand laid the
foundation of military tyranny throughout the world.
He said, then, that such a measure as this was degrad-
ing to England and destructive of the political charac-
ter of those who propounded it. This was not the
case of Portugal fighting for Portugal--of Spain
fighting for Spain—of the emigrant French fighting
for France—of the Swiss fighting for Switzerland ; but
it was the mendicant policy of a Minister who sot out
for the continent to beg troops wherever they could be
found, and to pay them for cutting the throats of the
men who were to be opposed to them. (Hear, hear.)
When asked why he did not send out more troops to
the Crimea, the Secretary at War answered that they
must first get recruits, and next that they must drill
them, which required several months. But if the Go-
vernment knew that it would take all this time to train
these recruits, why did it come to the extraordinary
conclusion that war was to be declared with a great
military power like Russia before we were prepared to
meet it 9 Let the house mark the dates. The Guards
were sent to Malta in February, and war was declared
—or at least meant to be declared—on the 26th of
March. Well, what course did common sense—not
to say statesmanship—then dicate ? They only sought
to amend the Militia Bill for Ireland on the 11th of
August. Why did they not embody the English mi,
litia before they declared war ? Why did they not do
what the Duke of Wellington and Lord Hardinge and
every man of common sense suggested ? Tkough they
passed a bill in August to raise 30,000 men in Ireland,
oartdtehr
they
yh amt
itghhety
it was not until they had resolved to summon Parlia-
ment,might have some excuse
appear at last to be con-
scious of the situation of the country, the Privy Council
issued directions as to the quotas of men to be provided
by each county in Ireland. (Hear.) These patriotic and
indefatigable men, who had readily obtained every vote
of men and money they asked for from the House of
Commons, and who affected to overflow with compas-
tootert,haatndinth
sion for the sufferings of our gallant army in the Crimea
—was it too much to ask what they had done with the
powers and resources so confidingly placed at their dis•
posal ? They had the power of raising 30,000 men in
Ireland. Now, he received a letter from Lord Ennis-
killen, the colonel of a militia regiment in Fermanagh,
which the Government had ordered to be raised, and
what did the colonel of that regiment say Why, that
he had never yet received the order to embody it, al-
though he got an order three months ago, indeed, to
enrol the men ; and that they would have been ready,
long since if the order had been given to have them em-
bodied ; that the farmers would not employ men whe
were once enrolled, because they knew they were not
m In fact • •
likely to keep
t•he. if the , might be said 'No
pay, no militia , „and y chose to embody the men
who offered themselves, and would put them in bar-
racks, there would be large numbers ready to fight for
their country. The Government, however, had not
done this, and therefore the noble lord the member for
Tiverton got up and told them that this was a grave and
solemn question—one in which the feelings of hon. mem-
bers in that house were deeply interested, because many
of them had brethren in the Crimea fighting under great
difficulties in the noblest caw*, and not for the Holy
Alliance or to establish despotism anywhere, but to esta-
blish somewhere the empire of reason over brute
force. What was the speech of that noble lord,
stripped of its janty, manner, but an appeal to those
who had relatives in the Crimea, if they had any
feelings for their sufferings, for God's sake to pass
this bill for their relief ? (Hear, hear.) And there
were those present whe had relatives engaged in the war.
There was the hon. member for Donegal, who had one
brother who was shot down and another who was tor-
tured by wounds. There was the hon. 'member for
Monaghan, who had a relative who, by the good provi-
dence of God, escaped covered with wounds and with
honour. There was also the member for Antrim, who
had a relative who was transfixed by a bayonet ; and
there were many others who had had loved relatives and
dear friends who had fallen victims in this war. The
noble lord says, " I do not know where we are to get
the men, but hen we do find them we must bring them
to England. But Ido not know how long it will re:
quire to drill and teach them before we send them to the
Crimea in order 'to relieve our friends and to put an end
to the conflict which they wage with the elements as
well as with their human enemies." He appealed to the
understandings of those whom he addressed as to whe-
ther this was not a mockery ? (Cheers.) The noble
lord denies this, but he (Mr. Whiteside) repeated the
argument, and addressed himself to those deeply con-
cerned. It was true that the troops had suffered, it was
true that they were starved, and, as Lord Raglan said,
" They were gathering stones to shelter themselves from
the weather." And what was the relief and assistance
to be sent to them ? What was the prompt and vigor-
ous measure that the present Administration proposed?
Why, a bill that was prospective and problematical, to
enable them to obtain men whence they did not know.
Or what would be their condition—to drill them, and 12
months hence to send them to the Crimea—and to do
what ? Why, to gather the bones of our countrymen,
on whose tombs directions should be given to inscribe—
"These brave men perished from the neglect, incompe-
tency, and indecision of an English Ministry." (Oppo-
sition cheers.) The billswas not a reality, and if there
was one thing more than another that Englishmen dis-
liked, it was to have a measure submitted to them that
was not the real thing to accomplish the end in view.
(flear.) It might be said that this was an easy mode
cianswering the question, and was there nothing that
he could suggest to remedy the evils he complained
of ? There was nothing effectual that he would not
give or Tote to accomplish the end they had in view,

as mach, or even more to our own interest ; buts never-
theless, he must say, that the mode in which the trade
with Russia was now carried on was attended with
great inconvenience to British merchants, for they not
only had to pay an increased price for Russian produce,
but their ships no longer visited those ports which they
had been led to believe were strictly blockaded, and the i
trade was consequently carried on by neutral ships. He
thought he had a right to call on the Government to
take some steps to provide greater advantages to the
which had been eugaged in carrying
or else render the blockade more ea-
British shipsing
cßiellsnta,jansoPtrlsriatscethe entire benefit of the trade should not
be thrown into the hands of others. (Hear.) He had
said that promptitude and secrecy were very material
elements of success in war. In the present war this
CONSOLIDATED FUND. country had ranged on one side free institutions, absolute
On the motion for going into committee on the Con• freedom of debate in Parliament and out of doors, and
solidated Fund, unrestricted freedom of the press ; and, on the other
Mr. HENLEY objected to going into committee
t head, there were opposed to it despotic authority and
without notice. The object of the committee was e centralised power. What, then, were the advantages or
enable the Chancellor of the Exchequer to deal with thekdisadvantages of these opposite circumstances ? It was,
Savings Banks Funds, and he. thought before thel..Pea er indeed, true that great advantages were derived from
explanations of
left the chair they ought to have someour free institutions, and it was to the feeling of national
the necessity for dealing with the subject at period pride and honour which animated our soldiers as well as
of the session. officers that must be attributed those displays of brilliant
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought valour, and those instances of patient endurance of pri-
the proper time to make his statement would be when vations, which had excited the admiration of the world.
they got into committee. (Cheers.) But, on the other hand, as far as secrecy in
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said the house could not be respect to military operations was concerned, no one
in a position to discuss financial matters without pre- would deny that this country was utterly debarred from
lions notice. that advantage. Not a regiment could be raised in this
Sir W. MOLESWORTH said all his right hon, friend country, not a supply of money could be asked for from
wanted was, to go into committee for the purpose of Parliament, not an expedition could be contemplated,
making a statement. without the Emperor of Russia being immediately in-
Mr. SPOONER insisted that there was no pressing formed of it through the newspapers. He would appeal
necessity for the statement. Besides, many members to history in reference to the value of secrecy in carrying
bad left town under the impression that there would be on war. In 1805, Napoleon having postponed his in-
-3243 financial statement before Christmas.
F. BARING thought the right. hon. gentleman vasion of this country, was reduced to a state of .inac-
Sirßoulogne, when he threatened
tivity in his camp at was
ought to have an opportunity of making his explanation by a new continental coalition of the most formidable
now ; but the house should abstain from coming to any character. Armed as he was at all points, he was never-
resolution upon it at present. theless placed at that moment in a situation of great
The house then went into committee.
difficulty. It was only by the greatest accuracy of cm-
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the bination, aided by the most impenetrable secrecy, that
exPlaaation he had to make would not be a financial
t, in he succeeded in extricating himself from this difficult
statemen
the ordinary acceptation of the term, be- position ; and in these two points—unity of will and se-
cause tae resolution he had to propose in no way related crecy of design—we had another Napoleon to contend
to taxes—the subject of taxes in the ways and means of with in the Czar Nicholas. It was right and proper that
true year. It referred exclusively to a matter of adtui- the country should see the distinction of circumstances
ilistrative arrangement, and his object in proposing the which existed in this respect between the two contending
resolution was simply to enable him to print the mea- parties. Ultimately, he believed, civilisation and free
bore of the Government with the view of its being con- institutions would triumph against barbarism ; but
sidered during the recess. The resolution would form the people of this country expected that every
the foundation of a bill intended to remove the objections effort would be used to bring the war to a speedy termi-
which hitherto had been taken to the existing law nation. The country, he thought, would not recognise
relating to Savings Banks funds. The subject of any such tendency in this bill—it was opposed to the
Savings Banks divided itself into two branches • the general sense of the community, and, believing that he
first was the custody of the moneys, and the se- spoke the sentiments of his constituents and of the
cond the guarantee to be afforded to the deposi- nation at large, he should give the measure his strenuous
tors. The bill he had now in view would opposition.
relate to the first of these branches, but it would be his
Mr. RICH said that, though he had voted the night
duty after the recess to bring in a second bill for the
purpose of strengthening the guarantees which deposi- before
tors already possess, giving them increased facilities forself 'ins
again t being
ofsufpp!se to have voted in favour of
support of the bill, he wished to guard him
enforcing their rights,,
and regulating the internal the employment oretign troops
as mere mercenaries.
prepared to admit that the Ger-
management of Savings Banks. At present the law (Hear.) He was
e not
p enof as likely to enter our ser-
affecting Savings Banks deposits was exceedingly mans who had b
Germans,enshe meant, who, having obtained
vice—those.
complicated ; Government were only responsible for
of denaturalisation from their own Sovereigns,
the sums which absolutely reached their hands, letters
over here with a view of emigrating to Canada,
while they were bound to insert it in a parti-
elnumsetralia, or the United States—wherever, in fact, they
color security, and an erroneous impression had gone
could get for the least mosey—would make good and
abroad that tho interests of the depositor were seriously
efficient soldiers—(hear, hear)—and coupling this with
affected by the fluctuations of the public securities.
right
the language held last night by the Secretary at War
was no such thing ; but still the depositor had the
and the noble lord the member for Tiverton, he was in-
to demand that the law relating to his security should
dined to think that the views of the Government were
be simple and explicit, and that was the main object of
not confined to such men as these, but that they had in
this resolution. The bill to be founded upon it would
require
the National Debt Commissioners to publish contemplation some means which they did not reveal of
once a year a statement of their liabilities on account obtaining valuable and efficient troops, animated by the
of Savings Banks depositors, and certain other provisions same spirit of resistance to the ambitious designs of
of an important character. The resolution he had to move Russia as were the troops of France and England. He
was this, viz.: That it is expedient to create a charge on had, therefore, supported the measure as one of trust
the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom of Great and confidence in the Government, but if he found that
Britain and Ireland, in respect of the sums due to it turned out to be an expedient for raising a mere mer-
Savings Banks and Friendly Societies, and :to provide cenary force, he should be no longer willing to extend
for the payment of interest thereon to the Com- to them that support. He was aware that in the com-
missioners of the National Debt at three per centum mencement of a war mistakes must occur, but he could
per annum, and also to make provision out of the
not shut his eyes to the fact that more mistakes had oc-
said Consolidated Fiend, or by Exchequer Bills or curred on this occasion than were absolutely necessary
Exchequer Bonds, for any difference which may now or or indeed defensible. One source of difficulty be saw,
hereafter exist between the assets in the hands of the which he thought might be easily removed. In the con-
Commissioners for the Reduction of the National Debt duct of the war it was essential, he thought, that that
in respect of savings banks and friendly societies, and portion of the members of the Government who had the
the liabilities thereon ; and also for the interest on such largest portion of support in the house and in the coun-
Exchequer Bills or Exchequer Bonds. The second bill try should, while they were responsible for the conduct
would relate to the management of savings banks and of the war, have more power of action in carrying it on.
the rights and securities of depositors. He did not know whether it were accidental or not, but
Mr. DISRAELI thought the proposal of the Chan- it so happened, that every member of the Government
ca lor of the Exchequer was reasonable enough ; it was who was in any way connected with the departmental
impossible that the house could be in a position to administration of the war belonged to a party of great
consider the measure of the Government until they had ability, industry, and integrity, no doubt, but who cer-
the measure itself before them. Now, the bill could tainly did not possess a very large body of supporters in
not be introduced according to the forms of the house that house, and a still less following, perhaps, out of it.
without a preliminary resolution, and he therefore This was quite opposed to a determinate system of
therughethey ought to agree to it pro forma. action, and he did not think it was at all for the inte-
me. 'HENLEY hoped the effect of the twobills would
be to presient the tampering, on the part of the State official experience and energy of action should be alto-
with savings banks derma.. He should not object to ether shut out from a share in the conduct of the war.
the passing of the resolution, but it moat be understood Ile hoped, therefore, just as there had been changes in
that it did not bind the house to the Principle of the the composition of the Ministry last session, that, with-
Government measure. - out ,any action of the' house, they would see, before the
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY questioned the policy-1a re reassembling et Parliament, some change made is the
ducing the interest on Savings Banks deposits. present distribution of office, which would, impart a.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said greater energy to the carrying on of the war.
the interest payable to Savings Banks depositors was Mr. DRUMMOND—I think, perhaps, it is an act of
not in any way affected by this resolution. charity for some person to rise and protect the Govern-
-I)rd J. RUSSELL deprecated discussion until the inert from their own supporters—(laughter)—for really,
till was before the house, sir, no bomb that ever arrived at Sebastopol can have
The resolution was then agreed to, and, the house made a greater explosion than this shot from behind,
having resumed, leave was given to bring in a bill informing her Majesty's Government that upon this
founded on it. vital question of the war, every single department in it,
ENLISTMENT OF FOREIGNERS BILL. from the Ordnance to the Commander-in-Chief, is in the
On the motion for going into committee on this tell, hands of that part of the Ministry in which it ought not
Mr. NEWDEGATE asked whether any steps leei to be. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
been taken for bringing British troops from India to be Mr. RICH said, he made no such observation.
used for the petrposes of the war ? Mr. DRUMMOND—WeII, well, sir—her Majesty's
Lord J. RUSSELL declined to enter into any ex- Government have got the numbers on their side, and
planation of what the Government had done or intended they aro wise enough to care very little about the ar-
to de, for collecting troops. guments. I was exceedingly sorry, sir, to vote as I
"Mr. H. LIDDELL said, he had hitherto abstained did last night. I think her Majesty's Ministers have
from addressing the house on the important question done themselves wrong. The fact is that the country
involved in the present bill, because he was anxious that look upon this bill as very much like what they
as little delay as possible should be interposed before the call at Newmarket a " dark horse." (Laughter.)
house came to a decision with respect to it. But since There is a suspicion, sir, that all is not fair and proper
that decision had now been arrived at, and since much about it. (Opposition cheers.) I have heard insinea-
time was not likely to be spent on the details of the tions—some were made last night by the hon. gentle-
measure, he now felt it his duty, as the representative of man who moved the amendment, but I will not repeat
one of the moat important towns in the kingdom, to them, for I really do not know, and, indeed, I can't
make some observations with respect to the measure. know whether they are well founded or not ; but of this
He had seldom heard a speech less conclusive than that lam certain, from the language used to myself by every
which had been delivered by the noble lord the leader of person to whom I have spoken on the subject, and I
the house in support of the bill. The noble lord seemed may say chiefly by friends of her Majesty's Government,
to argue that, because in all former wars foreigners had that there is an idea that some ulterior measure is con-
been employed in conjunction with the forces of great cealed behind. (Hear.) That is the expression used by
countries, therefore they must be employed by England the hon. member who spoke last, ani this, I say, is not
in the operations of the present war. In this statement fair dealing. (Hear.) The country has been taken en-
there was a confounding together of two species of allies, tirely by surprise by this measure. (Hear.) There are
they were as perfectly distinct as light from darkness— meetings holding, I know, at this moment, and others
namely, confederates and mercenaries. (Hear.) He in contemplation in the country, and I believe from
would have all the confederates the country could get in what I gathered last night from the very contradictory
carrying on the war ; but it had not been made at all speeches which were made, that there is great jealousy
clear what advantage this country was likely to obtain existing on the subject. But the country has a right to
in carrying on the war with these mercenaries. (Hear.) know, freely and fairly, what you are going to do.
If the Government had come forward and said that Lord (Hear.) Now, I think all that has been said about its
Raglan was in want of disciplined and trained soldiers, being unconstitutional to employ foreign troops is down-
and that they were in a condition to state that by the right trash. (Ministerial cheers.) If this be a bona fide
passing of the present bill they would be able to provide measure for taking into our pay 30,000—0 r any number
that general with a large body of such troops, that would of thousands you please—of lawful troops, it will have
go a great way to remove his objection to the measure. my most cordial support. (Hear.) Suppose, for instance,
But the Government had stated nothing of th e kind. tie King of Bavaria were to say, "Here, I have got
On the contrary, the Secretary at War pointed to 30,000 men ; I cannot pay them, but you may ;" if you
the fact that some 30,000 German emigrants came like to confederate with him, and send them to Sebes-
annually to the shores of this kingdom on their way tope], then I say, send them by all means. But, sir,
to the United States. Now, last year a committee from what I collected, this is a totally different descrip•
was appointed on the question of emigration, and the tien of agent which yon are going to employ, and one
circumstances of the German emigrants formed one about which I have a strong and very conscientious ob-
of the topics of inquiry. It appeared that the Ger- jection. (Hear, hear.) The profession of arms is a
man emigrants carried with them great destitution and most honourable profession—(hear)—and, I believe,
distress and the seeds of disease. In Liverpool the first brings out the best qualities, moral aid physical,
case of cholera broke out amongst them, and the worst which characterise man, better than any other pro-
cesses of that disease manifestedthemselves in those ships fission. Regular soldiers never go into action, they
alone, with the exception of two, where the German are never carried to deeds of violence, except at the bid-
emigrants were received. Was this, then, the body of ding of their Sovereign, in defence of the weak and
men the Government depended oa to form disciplined oppressed or for the protection of their country ; but
soldiers / Was the house to be told that this was the when you come to hire mercenaries who have no Bove-
source to look for troops, when, as the noble lord, the reign over them, no country to protect, and no one
Secretary for the Home Department had well said, the ennobling sentiment in them, that is what degrades the
entire kingdom was a body of reserve for the army I military profession. (Hear, hear.) These men are
(Hear, hear.) Great authorities had been quoted to show nosing but men-butchers ; they fight and murder for a
that vast military operations never were conducted with- shifting a day, and, of course, if anybody will give them
out the assistance of foreigners, and, in support of this 2s. a day they will turn round and murder you in turn.
view, the noble lord, the Secretary of State, adverted to (Hear, hear.) And why should they not 1 I see that,
the intermixture of foreign troops with the armies of by this bill, yon propose that these men should take an
France during the great campaigns of Napoleon. But oath, not of allegiance exactly, but of fidelity. Fidelity
it should be borne in mind that Napoleon, besides being to what l—to a shilling a day. (Hear, hear.) But is
the French Emperor, arrogated to himself the titles of not fidelity to 2s. a day a very much better thing !
King of Italy, Protector of the Confederation of the "A saint in crape is twice a saint in lawn."
Rhine, and Mediator of the Helvetic Confederation. Nor_
a second Charle- (Laughter.) I say this is a most dishonourable mode of
were these empty titles. Napoleon was
and succeeded in warfare. (Cheers.) It was because I could not make
magne, aspiring to universal empire, _
had
out from the contradictory speeches of the members of
acquiring it to a considerable extent. Napoleon re-
Westphalia, the Government which of these two forces it is they
lations and connexions on the thrones of
Viceroy tend to employ, that I voted against the bill last fight.
in-
Spain, Holland, and Naples, and his stepson was
in
lam not against the employment of foreign troops but
of Italy ; and he stood in reference to all these States
of I think it was exceedingly unfair to say that, if we do
the light of suzerain, demanding from them tributes
not swallow this measure before the country has time to
troops. It was not wonderful, then, to find men of all
form its opinion upon it, we are to be threatened with
nations fighting under his banner. But was such a case
the withdrawal of the Duke of
great
aa that to be compared to a miserable plan like the one
now •and laughter.) Why,• it's something like the old
now
sir,
submitted to the house, the object of which was to .
in the who lived • h
enlist some of the • maiden lady
ragged outcasts of German coming
to this e„,xtrybattles' in gentleman, and who pretty nearly bored him to death by
. and pay them for fighting
which they felt perpetually threatening him, " If you do not do as I bid
hear.) It waii Zorsonal or national interest ? (Hear, .
you, I will withdraw from you the protection of the
nation to justify theing dust in the eyes of the house and
Hon. Lucretia M`Tab." (Loud laughter.) There are
dent, and if they ee„t t
9.4,
Y resent proposal by such a prece-
tain members of her Majesty's Government whom I
to the time of Marlborou h
2 certain
they would find that his foreign troops stood -in' should be exceedingly sorry to lose, but I confess I
the light of confederates, and not mercenaries.
Hear
should not greatly grieve if the Duke of Newcastle were
hear.) All he hoped was that, as the Glovreirens.ment had to take his departure. (Cheers and laughter.) I should
succeeded in carrying thethey would go into mourning for the event in
!MCC bill, it would be attended not think
with
b
the results anticipatedt
disc 3' them our camp before Sebastopol—(hear, hear)—though, pos-
; though he 'maid not
but express the grea ppointment which he, in coin- sib]', the Emperor, of Russia might receive the news
with a very large majoritymon of the kingdom, felt at with sorrow. (Laughter.) Somebody else, I should
finding, when the Government
. called Parliament toe -
athink, might be found who would have taken care that
ther for the purpose of. bringing forward measures to our horses should not have kicked one another to death
conduct the war with vigour, and
soldiers
relieve the over- . in their transports ; who would have seen that the offi-
t isked energies of the brave British
measure so inefficient
that they introduced aas the pre.l that officers and men should not have had their clothes
sent and so little likely to answer 'the desired end. the i rotting off their backs ; and that some means or another
He would now say a few words as to general conduct should have been discovered by which the things which
and possible consequences of this disastrous and unhappy ~ were -sent out from this country with a liberal spirit
war.
It had been remarked that we were carrying on should have got some time or other into the hands of
with regard to the rein. thepersons a war on unheard-of principles
of. .
this for whom they were intended. (Hear.) But
the means insuring wonderful
tions of commerce, and withouterhil problem, how to get a thing from one
la
Imaterial elements towityfil Pce to another is evide tl. f b d
secrecy or promptiti.lde—boti eyon the comprehen-
ornmercial part sion of the Duk Tni ar
success in war. With respect to the c eof l'e oe-castle. (Laughter ) Ido not
that 6',
bhs the think there can be any such harry has
cf the question, it could not be expected sented ay as been repre-
throw any nd therefo I
representative of Liverpool, should wish to
• ce of commerce .
vernment will no re
am inclined to hope that the Go-
t press the measure bw'll t one
impediments in the way of the continuance it—l will not dispute about 13
proveout the day—but at least post-
which, though carried on with our enemies, might

pone it until the country has had time to become ac-
quainted with it. (Cheers.)
Sir W. VERNER, as an old officer of long experience,
was persuaded that nethinebould be more unsatisfactory
than the proposed employment of mercenary troops by
this country.
Mr. OTWAY said that, having voted against the
second reading of this bill, he wished to Age the reasons
why he opposed the measure. He should be sorry to
impede the sending out of reinforcements to our gallant
army in the Crimea, but he believed that we had other
sources in important parts in our own empire that could
be made earlier available for affording help to that army
than the means offered by this bill. He had seen, from
the newspapers that the Sheik and Ghoorka regiments
in India, who were especially adapted for this service,
were ready to volunteer for the Crimea. The East India
Company obtained powers last session for largely in-
creasing their force of Europeans, and he believed that
they were now carrying those powers into effect. In-
telligence had been received that a treaty of peace had
been entered into with the sovereign of Burmah ; and,
India being DOW in a state of perfect tranquillity, we might
obtain effective reinforcements from that quarter before
the foreign troops to be raised under this bill could be
organised and sent out to the seat of war. He like-
wise objected to the class of men contemplated by this
measure. Having had the good fortune to witness the
efficiency of many German regiments in the field, he
would be the last man to underrate their capabilities.
He believed that Germon troops, led by their own offi-
cers, fighting under their own standard, and animated by
the traditions of their military history, would perform
feats of valour second to none in the annals of the world.
But he had no confidence in German emigrants. The
Secretary at War had told them that these emigrants
would be trained soldiers, but Prussia was the only Ger-
man State where every man was of necessity a soldier ;
and of his own knowledge he could state that in some of
the minor principalities and small duchies this was not
the case ; so that we really could not have that secu-
rity as to the quality of these men that had been held
out to us. It was quite true that foreign troops had
served with our army in the last war, but it should
be remembered that among those foreign troops
.there
was only one regiment which did not sympathiseVith
the cause in which we were engaged. He alluded to
the Greek regiment • and what was its conduct ?
Being stationed at Malta,i it revolted and seized pos-
session of one of the forts, from which it cost us a
great deal of troulsle to dislodge it. If the Government
had declared it to be their intention to form a Polish
legion with its own officers, he would gladly have sup-
ported them. If we landed a body of Poles to-morrow
in the Crimea, with their own officers, he believed that
great numbers would desert from the Russians, and a
great moral effect would be produced from which this
country would derive much benefit. He understood
that a letter had been written containing an offer from
certain Polish prisoners that were detained in our ports
to enlist in our service as soldiers and sailors to oppose
our enemy, instead of remaining inactive and a burden
upon the people of this country. If this story were true,
it showed what was the spirit of the Poles, and how we
might make them of use in this war. He was convinced
that the great question at issue in this contest would
never be solved until the cause of Poland was brought
before that house, and with that subject he was sure the
Government would have sooner or later to deal. But he
wished to ask where these foreign troops were to be sta-
tioned ? Were they to be billeted on theinhabitants of this
country or stationed in our dockyards 1 Supposing there
not to be encamped, but to be sent to our strong places,
to Portsmouth, Plymouth, Sheerness, or Chatham, would
not such a step be attended with danger ? Look at the
class of men of whom they were speaking 1 They had
no feeling or enthusiasm in the cause, but came here,
as the hon. member for Surrey had said, to under-
take to murder for a shilling par day. Now, with the
numerous Russian agents that were in this country and
at the Courts of all the petty German princes, nothing ,
could be easier than for these Russian agents to get 20
or 30 of these men for a certain sum of money, and
send them over to England as emigrants to enlist in the
proposed mercenary legion. And what would be the 'I
result ? Why they may do irreparable damage in our
dockyards and arsenals. (Hear, hear.) This, there
fore, was a point worthy of attention, and the house
should require information from the Government upon
it. It was impossible to separate this measure from:the
conduct of the war hitherto. He admitted that we
could not expect to enter into a great war with a pear
establishment without making many mistakes of dethil,
but he could not refrain from noticing the want of ordi-
nary precaution shown by some departments of the pub-
lic service. At this time last year Ministers must have
known that there was every probability of a war with
Russia. Hurried attempts were being made at our
dockyards to fit out our fleets for service ; and when
hon. members asked why a particular class of vessels
was not sent to a particular quarter, the answer of the
First Lord of the Admiralty was, that wo had not the
men nor the gun-boats that were required. Well, but
at that particular conjuncture, 12 months ago, when
preparations were so urgent, we actually turned our
own vessels out of dock and admitted two Russian
ships, which were there armed and sent to sea. This
was surely bad enough, but what followed he should
think must have caused some remorse to the First Lord
of the Admiralty. The Aurora having taken refuge in
the harbour of Petropaulovski, in the unfortunate ac-
tion which took place there a short time ago' he found
that the damage done to a portion of our navy was
dens by that '.Ty 11,13,ssiee slily which we anowea_to
escape from our hands in the way-he had stated.
(Hear, hear.) The right hon. member for Buckingham-
shire referred last night to Thucydides ; but England
had produced a historian not second to that classic
writer whose name was immortalised by his history of the
decline and fall of a great empire. Some of the pages
of that philosophic writer he would commend to the at-
tention of her Majesty's Ministers, and more especially
those in which, speaking of the statesmen who by their
pusillanimity accelerated the fall of the Roman Empire,
he said that crafty Ministers substituted temporary ex-
pedients for salutary counsels. He could not but view
the present bill as a mere temporary expedient. Why
were the Government not prepared to mention the name
of Poland, and to rally round them those who were
ready to assist in the struggle ? Why did they not call
upon men above 30 years of age, and tell them of the
need for their exertions I Let them raise the bounty if
that were necessary, and offer every inducement to the
country to come forward and fight 'their battles, and then,
no doubt, we should win other victories equal to (for
it was impossible to surpass) those of Alma and In-
kerman, which would lead to an honourable and lasting
peace. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. WHITESIDE said that he had listened with
some attention to the speech of the honourable mem-
ber for Riehmoad (Mr. Rich), who belonged to that
rising party in the country who spoke one way and
voted another. (Hear, hear.) That hon. member
was of opinion that the Ministry might be advantageously
reconstructed, and possibly the hon. gentleman might
himself be induced to assist in that work. (A laugh.)
He trusted that the sound views expressed by the
hon. gentleman would prove satisfactory to his own con-
science and to his constituents. Three speakers had
addressed the house on the part of the Government--the
Lord President, the Home Secretary, and the Secretary
at War ; and he hoped the house would permit him to
make a few observations on the arguments which those
eminent statesmen had submitted to the British Parlia-
ment, summoned together at that unseasonable period
of the year, on a great and important question. The
noble lord (J. Russell) gave them, as was his wont, a
disquisition on the balance of power—a very ticklish
and delicate ground on which to tread at the commence-
ment of the war. This doctrine of the balance of power
was subject to many limitations when understood, not
merely as it was viewed by writers and thinkers, but as
it was viewed by the common sense of mankind. It was
subject, for instance, to this limitation—that we must,
at the earliest moment we discovered the designs of a
Power threatening to disturb the equilibrium, express
ourselves to that Power with decision and firmness, and
point out to it, before resorting to the last alternative,
in plain and unmistakeable language, the object and
policy we were about to pursue. We must preys) to
him, said the writers on public law, that he wanted to
dictate laws to an independent State, and having
done this, and seeing him still persevering in the
course which the noble lord pointed out, we must -then
have recourse to arms. This argument was used by
the noble lord, although there had been in the posses-
sion of Lord Aberdeen, the head of the Government,
since the year 1844, a document plainly indicating what
the intentions of the Czar were with regard to Turkey,
and a system of secret negotiation and diplomacy between
the Ministers of this country and Russia had afterwards
taken place on the same subject. Again, this balance
of power received a severe shock on the partition of
Poland, with respect to which Mr. Burke left his opi-
nion on record that if there had been an English states-
man of spirit, capacity, and courage to speak out the
sense of England, that horrible transaction would never
have been perpetrated by the Imperial conspirator. The
balance of power, then, when such a wicked crime was
permitted, was a dangerous argument to use. Let them
place this contest on the ground of self-interest—on the
ground intelligible to all, that the Emperor sought to
strike a blow at our interests—and then everybody would
recognise the wisdom of endeavouring to check his de-
signs. Were hon. gentlemen wrong in objecting to this
bill, which, in its original form, was as mischievous as
any measure ever invented by a weak and incompetent
Ministry ? Why, it would have enabled the Government,
if they had thought fit to employ these mercenarie.s, to
take the hon. gentleman who sat before him to
prWhenison.
How did a measure of that kind work in Italy
he was at Naples he saw a body of 11,000 Swiss troops
?
at a review—an effective body of men collected from ano-
ther country, who cared nothing for the Neapolitan peo-
ple, but were hired to crush their liberties. It was by the
aid, of these very persons that the Sovereign of Naples
was enabled to degrade and trample on his subjects, and
to commit those deeds which the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer had so justly portrayed in his able pamphlets,
which would he remembered after his budgets were for-
gotten. (A. laugh.) His Holiness the Pope, also made use
of of Swiss troops to carry out his system. Massimo A eglio,
the elder, in his excellent works, admirably pointed out how
the employment of mercenary troops by any nation must
assuredly enervate and corrupt its own people, and sow
the seeds of anarchy and decay. So it ever had been and
ever must be. But it was said, " What a silly thing it is
to object to foreign troops coming to this country !"
Why, Onslow, the Speaker of the House about a century
ago—in 1756—0 n presenting the Money Bills to the
King, addressed his Majesty on a similar occasion to
the present, in these words :
" They beg leave most humbly to say, they hope the
sword you have so bravely drawn, able
in brave, cape e, and
supported, will be intrusted only
honest hands, that so the naval, the natural strength of
and they so efiectually
England, will make a figure, will do service, as much
greater as it is exalted higher than ever before. ,
Can
Though ever attached to your Majesty's person, they -
not forbear taking notice of spine CirgUlildagedi mthe pre-

the spirit of the people, and'of thatimoral elevation and
strength of sentiment which, after all, were the great re-
source, the chief defence of nations. (Cheers.) In op-
posing it, then, he was simply discharging his duty as
a member of the legislature ; for he could not imagine
that the Parliament of England had been called toge-
ther merely to enregister the edicts of Ministers. (Hear,
hear.) And he hoped that every species of resistance
would be offered to the measure. (Oh, oh, and cheers.)
With regard to public opinion in Germany, he chal-
lenged the right hou. gentleman to make trial of that
opinion ; and if, during the short recess about to ensue,
con-
sideration of the probable operation and effect of the
thebill peoplea ndd
did
df
nEgl
enand applied their minds t• the t
throughout the kingdom, wherever
honesty of purpose, true patriotism, sincere regard for
England, and a deep-felt sympathy for her stability and
permanence among the nations of the world were to be
found—unite in its condemnation, he would never again
ask permission to address that house whilst he had the
honour of occupying a seat within its walls. (Cheers.)
Mr. COBDEN said though he believed the historian
would have to record the expedition to the Crimea, as
the rashest ever undertaken by this country—and that
was saying a great deal—still as we had sent an army of
30,000 men from home we were bound to support that
army. (Hear.) But he believed the army would not re-
gard it as a compliment that we wanted to send out to
their assistance, not their own countrymen, but mer-
cenary Germans, The newspapers were careful to tell
us that the enthusiasm for the war throughout the
country was universal ; but the fact was proved to be
otherwise by the large deficiency still existing in the
number of men voted by Parliament. (Hear, hear.)
The Secretary at War spoke of intercepting German
emigrants passing through this country for the
United States ; but this appeared to be a
most puerile argument, for it was notorious that the
vast majority of those German emigrants were men ad-
vanced in life, with their wives and families, and fre-
quently taking out with them their own clergyman and
their own doctor ; and wore those the men likely to go
out to Sebastopol ? (Hear, hear.) There was no
country in the world, except the United States, in which
it would be so difficultito establish a footing as in
Russia. He had said at a public meeting in 1849, that
if Russia were to attack England or the United States,
or any other large maritime power, she would be crum-
pled up in her own dreary dominions ; and had that
not occurred I (Hear, hear.) Had not the navy of
Russia been rendered perfectly useless by the navies
of England and France ; but to attack Russia on land
required something more than we ever yet dreamed of.
He should not now enter further into the general ques-
tion of the war ; but on the bringing up of the report he
should take leave to offer some general remarks on the
prospects of the war, and more particularly with regard
to the proposals which the noble lord stated on the pre-
ceding night had been made, at Vienna, by the Emperor
of Russia. He should du so because he thought the
house, called together as it had been, should not separate
without, if possible, eliciting the opinions of the Govern-
ment, and, at all events, of expressing their own opi-
nions, otherwise the house would, in his mind, be in disn•
ger of losing its character for independence as the great
council of the nation. And if, other hon. members re-
ceived the same communications from the camp as he
(Mr. C.) did, he thought that a greater act of kindness
could not be done to the army than to procure a discus-
sion. At all events, and under any circumstances, the
army would have the satisfaction of knowing that the
representatives of the English people did not meet and
separate without their attention havfng been occupied
with the state of unparalleled misery which that army
was now enduring in the Crimea. (Hear, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said wheaever the hon. member
brought forward that question the Government would
be prepared to discuss it with him. In the meantime
he was astonished that the hon. member and several
other hon. members should make such a misrepresen-
tation as that the only assistance Government proposed
to send out to the army in the Crimea was a foreign
legion, whereas it was well known that in the last
three months they had sent out 11,500 men.
(Hear, hear.) He regretted that every attempt
had been made to degrade the character of men
who might with every sense of honour be prepared
to enlist in our service. (Hear, hear.) He would not
enter more fully into the questioa now, but would only
repeat what he said last night, that this bill was only
the first of a series of measures which the Government
intended to bring in for the prosecution of the war ;
and he was sure that when the people of England
became aware of the true scope of those measures
they would perceive how much they had been misled by
the speeches of hon. members who opposed this bill.
(Hear, hear.)
Lord C. HAMILTON complained that the Govern-
ment had called hon. members at this unusual season
of the year from all parts of the united empire to deli-
berate on measures affecting the war, and when they
had assembled to find such a measure as this bill
proposed to them to enlist the services of a foreign
legion. (Hear, hear.) He would place no reliance
on the enthusiasm of Germany in this cause, of which the
Secretary at War spoke so confidently ; and ho believed
the public opinion and enthusiasm of this country had
not yet been fairly tested.
Mr. DANBY SEYMOUR said he should not be doing
his duty If, by his vote, he prevented the sending of a
single man to the Crimea ; for he considered that our
army was in a critical situation, mainly owing to the in-
efficiency of the Government. (Hear, hear.) He, in
common with most other members, was opposed to this
bill,. (Hear, hear.) While we were besieging, or rather
not besieging, Sebastopol, what were the 54 ships of war
dongl Not employed in cannonading the batteries of
Sebastopol, but idling about Balaklava. (Hear, hear.)
The ports of the Black Sea—Taganrog for instance--
were furnishing Russia with all the elements of war.
And further, he was informed that the Greeks were
monopolising the Russian trade, to the prejudice of
British merchants, who put faith in the faithless
declaration of Government that a blockade would be
established in the Black Sea. (Hear, hear.) The hon.
gentleman then went at length into the means of
Russia, and contended that her resources were failing.
It had been said by a great French writer that
a great war was a war of budgets—a war to see who
could hold out the longest, and the best way to cripple
Russia was to destroy her commerce. The house, per-
haps, was not aware that all the munitions of war—
the powder, the cannon balls—all came down the Don
and the Volga to the sea of Azoff, and were conveyed
by land to Sebastopol. The Russians had fortified the
place for embarking their stores, and this place was nc
more than 25 miles from Eupatoria, one of the fines
ports in the Black Sea. What would have been easi'
than for a portion of our magnificent fleet to have an
chored at Theodosia, and from that place cut off the
supplies Russia received from her fortified fort When
the question of the war again occupied the attention of
the house he should have a few words to address to it on
the resources of Russia.
Mr.IPHILLIPS, like the hon. member who spoke last,
had supported the second reading of this bill, but unlike
hire, he voted for it according to his opinion of its merits,
and in the belief that it was an expedient measure.
Mr. ALCOCK believed that the standard had not been
sufficiently reduced, nor was the bounty large enough, and
for that reason he should oppose the house going into
committee. Our object then ought to be to obtain sol-
diers who would sympathise with us, and he, therefore,
advocated an application to the independent 'people of
the Caucasus, from wham we might not only expect an
addition of 40,000 or 50,000 men, but we should have
their sympathy, and all the advantages of moral joined
to physical force. There was one banner under which
that nation would fight, and fight willingly—it was the
banner of that nation which was at war with Russia.
Admiral WALCOTT could not forbear expressing how
much he deplored the introduction of this measure, be-
cause experience told him what a state the country must
be in when they are compelled to resort to foreign mer-
cenaries. (Hear.) It was no momentary embarrass-
ment which ought to betray the house into an enactment
wass our
how glory,
ready
h while e
so dangerous as to familiarise the country with so disas-
trousteywere
gloryf e d
a
eruer
an example. We were not fighting, as in the last
war, against combined forces. We were fighting with
triumphs were their triumphs. They were possessed
of almost inexhaustible resources, and they had shown
nobleonly within
allies,
t h whosee
last w days
to contribute support, by embarking a large contin-
gent for the seat of war. It was a dangerous expedientl;
it was a fatal policy ; it was a blot eon the British name
and a reproach to the disposition of Englishmen to
allow foreigners to serve their native land ; and, far abos •
all, it was a humiliating confession of internal weak-
ness to which he would never lend his voice (Cheers.)
Let the Government take the true course give promo-
tions, give rewards, give pensions, give a fair bounty,
and give it with ungrudging hand. (Hear, he tr.)
They would not then want reinforcements from abroad.
Let them look to the sick and wounded, provide for the
widow and the orphan, and support the families at home,
and then the army would, in numbers, be an army of
which the country might well be proud. The army in
the field now was not to be surpassed in they
knew
knew they were trusted, and they would not endanger
the glory of England. (Hear, hear.) There was one
point which had not been referred to in the course of
the discussion, and it was one of a character so honour-
able to the nation that he was glad to mention it. It
was the entire abstinence, by every soldier, whether pri-
vate or officer, in letters to this country, of an assurnp•
tion of glory to themselves for the skill, courage, and
fortitude displayed, one and all referring it to the Al-
mighty God above them. When such men failed, let
the Government resort to mercenaries if they would.
Until then, let them trust to the sinews, the nerve, and
the courage of Englishmen, being well assured that
in trusting to mercenaries they would embarrass the
army, dishearten the troops, and rob them of thsir vie
tories and hard-earned glory. (Cheers.)
Mr. SCOTT said, that having been unable to catch
the Speaker's eye, he should take another opportunity
of enforcing his views.
Mr. CONOLLY opposed the bill, and
was addressing
the house when the Speaker said the time had arrived
when the debate must be adjourned.
The debate was then adjourned till to-morrow.
THE MISSING ARCTIC EXPEDITION.
Mr. NAPIER, then IC EXPEDITION.
moved for •
copies of all de-
spatches from the commanding
ships employed in the officers of the variaus
John Franklin • Arctic Seas in the search for Sir
in , and of the reports of Dr. Rae, in respect
to the relics of the
orders that may leave missing expedition ; and, of any
been given, with the view of ob-
taining further
tion. .intelligence of the fate of that expedi-

When any of these dates fall on a Sunday, the malls will 1)e
„IA
spatched on the following day, with the exception of the Indio
Southampton), and the Malta, both of which will be despatched
preceding da3 .

WEDXEIDAY, Dec. 20.
Stations. Course of Wind. State of weather.
Greenwich N
Lothbury
Manchester N.W Cloudy— Cold.
Bradford N. Frosty.
Sheffield S.E . Fire.
Wakefield
Carlisle
Lancaster
Whitehaven
Maryport
Stoke-on-Trent . N.W Fine.
Bristol N.W Cold—Windy.
Plymou;,h
Torquay N.W Much rain.
Taunton N.W Windy.
Swansea N.W Cloudy.
Elnverfordw est ... N. W Fine—Windy.
Bath
Cardiff N
Southampton N.W Rain.
' Cowes N.W
Poole
Portsmouth
Dorchester N. Fine.
Brighton N.W Frosty.
Peterborough ..... S.W Fine.
Ipswich
Leamington. N.N.W..... Unsettled.
Lowestoft
Hague S.E.
Yarmouth S W Rain.
Great Grimsby ... N.N.W Rain.
Boston • N.N.W..... Rain.
York
Glasgow
Edinburgh N.N.W..... Fine.
Perth
Dundee
Kirkcaldy N.W Fine.
Stirling .
Greenhill N. W... ..... Fine.
Sunderland
Cupar S.W Cloudy.
Forfar N.W Cloudy.
Aberdeen
Hull S.W Much rain.
Bridlington
Newcastle
Scarborough
Berwick W Fine.
Normanton
Burton-on-Trent.. N.E Rain.
Stamford N.W Rain.
Derby N.E Cloudy.
Alasborough .. N,
Chesterfield ... ... N.W Rain.
Leicester W. . Cold—Cloudy.
Nottingham
Dublin N.N.W..... Fine - Cold.
Holyhead
Bangor N.N.W..... Very windy.
Liverpool
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NEW MEMBER.
Lord EBRINGTON here appeared at the bar, and
having advanced to the table, took the oaths and his
seat for the borough of Marylebone.
Mr. S. HERBERT then resumed the debate, and
said tie hon. gentleman who last addressee the house,
had grossly perverted his arguments for the purposes of
debate. That hon. gentleman had said he had
listened to a debate in the other house on
this bill, in which logic, reason, and eloquence
were all on one side. He (Mr. Sidney Herbert)
considered the speech of the hon. gentleman was an apt
illustration that logic and reason may be often divorced
from acknowledged eloquence. (Hear, hear.) The
hon. gentleman would not believe in the enthusiasm of
Germany ; but the Governments of those small German
States, of which the hon. gentleman spoke contemp-
tuously, bad recorded their opinions that the objects for
which the Western Powers were now fighting were just
and honourable. (Hear.) When the hon. gentleman
said he wished to see our German friends prove their
friendship by acts, not words, he (Mr. S. Herbert) re-
plied, this bill would give them the opportunity The
of
proving their friendship by acts. (Hear.)
member for Staffordshire asked last night why
should we not get a Canadian or a Colonial legion t He
(Mr. S. Herbert) said, "by all means ;" let them try
and do so, but it was the duty of a Government carry-
ing on a great war to neglect no measures for enabling
them to do so. (Hear.) It was net very encouraging
to Ministers who were bringing forward measures with
honesty of purpose to be subjected to such unfair treat-
ment. (Hear.) He did not blame hon. gentlemen op-
posite for expressing their opinions freely against
this bill ; but he did complain of the habitual misrepre-
sentation to which the measures of Government were
subjected. (Hear.) The hon. member said Government
must bow to public opinion. He (Mr. S. Herbert) knew
they must ; and he did not hesitate to submit to the
public opinion of this country on this bill, and ke believed
when they saw the result of this bill they would ap-
prove of it. (Hear.)
Mr. NAPIER deprecated the charge of misrepresen-
tation made against the lion. and learned gentleman
(Mr. Whiteside) to whose speech he had listened with
pleasure and pride. He (Mr. Napier) said this bill was an
odious bill and was repugnant to the feelings of the peo-
ple of this country. (Hear, hear.) The Secretary at
War could not defend the bill on the general ground of
necessity for hiring foreign mercenaries ; but he was
obliged to suggest that the troops they were to raise
were men actuated by the "high moral motives" spoken
of in the letter of Sir William Napier, where, in describ-
ing the German Legion, he said it was " well com-
posed," and was, indeed, a "national force, with high
moral motives," Well, if that were so, why not at once
declare it ? (Cheers.) The right hon. gentleman said
the Government were not neglecting any means for car-
rying on the war with vigour—that, in fact, this was a
mere supplement to their other exertions. But what
the people of England and of Ireland said was, that they
had not yet enlistA the whole of their militia force;
and that when they had exhausted every other means
at their command, then would be the time to go to
1 Germany and other places for auxiliaries. To do other-
, wise was degrading to the country and deotructiyo of

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Sir J. GRAHAM said he had no objection to grant-
ing this return, but he begged to be understood
that he could be no party to another arctic expedition.
NEW WRIT FOR NORWICH.
A new ,grit wa.- ordered to be issued for Norwich in
the room of S. M. Peto, Esq., who, since his election,
had accapted the office of steward of her Majesty's
manor of Northcote.
The house then adjourned.