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where that could be safely done, the jury would be dis- the growth of chicory,
up
to Oct., continue the duty
dutynole preset
.t
4s. per
pensed with. After there had been a finding by the cwt., and 4/. per ton, Jr
commission, power was given to dispense with a grant duty was entirely prohibitory ;it had no reference to
from the crown, which had been always necessary for the the present value of the . article, but was fixed at a time
lunatic, and which led to great expense. That expense when the duty upon coffee was 9d. and ls. 3d. a pound.
would altogether in a great measure be put an end to. An- NOTICES OF MOTIONS.
other point was with regard topersons who were in fact not
ins-"
the
he
lunatics, but who were detained in asylums under old should l
moveß. M
O foraORE gave
select noticecommittee
thatontheto
inciuilrset
into
certificates. This bill would give the Lord Chancellor ecclesiastical revenues of the Church of Ireland.
power in such cases to require the persons detaining such Mr. W. 0. STANLEY gave notice that on Friday
alleged lunatics to furnish a general account of their con- next he should move an address to the Crown for a com-
duct ; and this was a provision which, in more cases than mission to inquire into the corrupt practices at the
their lordships would be willing to conceive possible, Barnstaple election.
would at once show, if there was improper detention, Mr. HUTCHINSON gave notice that on the 31st
what was the cause of it ; the cause being, he believed, inst. he should move the appointment of a committee to
the conspiracy of other persons to obtain and enjoy those inquire into the cause of accidents in mines, with the
alleged lunatics' property. This bill, which might be view of taking precautions for their prevention in future.
regarded as another recommendation, would entirely do
away with the exceptional position hitherto occupied by 31,r. L. KING gave notice that, on the 31st instant,
Bethleham Hospital. (Hear, hear.) He was bound to
say that the governors of that hospital had not shown he
el
cases where election pesill: should move fora selet
ci
tt
i
o
cn
os
mimiaidttheeeetuo
withdrawn.
say
the slightest objection to this bill ; and the fair inference, M• C. BERKELEY gave notice that, on Monday
which it was but just to state, was that they were not
Par-
afraid of the light of day being thrown on that institu-
tion, and that they were willing that it should be visited, lessening expense
nest,
inngieniinberas ohfilPl faorr-
and examined, and controlled and imprbved just like any bands
0r
the use of flags, banners, ant all other
olitahneirenito,usbiye,
and prohibiting the employment_
.ofiban
emblems whatever at elections.
other lunatic asylum in the country. This mea.sure
would, therefore, as a whole, he thought, give a new MINT IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA.
tone to the administration of lunacy, protect it from its Mr. HUME wished to ask the Under Secretary for
abuses, and give to lunatics every benefit and every care the Colonies, whether the staff and machinery for the
which justice and benevolence could suggest. (Hear, Branch Mint at Sydney had been sent there, or when
hear.) they would be dispatched?
_ _

The LORD CHANCELLOR was understood to say
that he would not run the chance, by offering any com-
ments, of being supposed to dissent from any of the
views of the noble and learned lord ; and he would con-
tent himself by saying that he believed the bill would
effect very desirable amendments in the law.
The Earl of HARROWBY also pressed upon their
lordships' attention the urgency that there was of a
change in the law affecting criminal lunatics, and he
hoped her Majesty's Government would take the subject
into their consideration.
Lord ST. LEONARDS enforced what he had before
observed, by stating that in his visits to lunatic asylums
he had often heard lunatics complain to him of their
being thrown into the company of other lunatics con-
victed of climes ; and there could be no doubt of their
extreme aversion to such a system. It was a great mis-
take to suppose that because a man had so far lost his
mind as to be in certain senses a lunatic, therefore he was
not deeply impressed with anything affecting moral con-
, duct. (Hear, hear.)
The report was then received ; as also were the reports
on the Lunatic Asylums Bill and the report on the Lu-
nacy Regulation Bill. Third readings fixed for Monday.
LA ND IMPROVEMENT (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord CANNING, having proposed that the discus-
sion on this bill should be postponed until the stage of
the report, when he would bring up amendments, an ob-
jection was taken to the delay, and general objections
were offered to the bill, by Lord Beaumont ; but after a
conversation between these noble lords, Lord Monteagle,
Lord Wicklow, Lord Clanricarde, and Lord Dufferin,
the motion was agreed to ; and the bill having been put
in committee pro formff, was reported, and fixed for an
early third reading.
SOUTH SEA AND OTHER ANNUITIES
COMMUTATION BILL.
Earl GRANVILLE, in moving the third reading of'
the bill, said that he would not carry out his intention at
that hour (8 o'clock), and in the then state of the house
(net ten peers were present), of making a statement of
the objects and scope of this bill ; but if a discussion
should be entered on he would reserve to himself the
right of offering some comments in the way of a reply.
Their lordships were aware they could not make any
alterations in a bill of this kind sent up from the Com-
mons, and therefore, he apprehended, a discussion was
not desired ; and it might be the less desired as what had
fallen on the previous evening from the noble and
learned lord (Lord St. Leonards) had suggest-d that a
supplementary measure with regard to the funds of
suitors in Chancery might become necessary, and the
views of their lordships might then be expressed.
The Earl of DERBY put it to the noble earl if he was
taking a becoming course with this bill ? Not a word
had been said on it since it had come up to their lord-
ships' house, although many noble lords had been desir-
ous of expressing an early opinion of it • and he now put
it to the noble lord, whether, in the then state of the
house, it would be decent that evening to read the bill a
third time ? It might be that their lordships had no
right to alter the bill, but really for it to be passed sub
sil:ntio in this way would be to attach to their lordships'
house a character which he might say, without using
disrespectful teiais, the noble earl himself could not pos•
sibly desire.
Earl GRANVILLE was onl

Mr. F. PEEL said no part of the machinery had yet
been sent out to Sydney, but still no time had been lost
in the appointment of an officer to superintend the work.
The selection of the Government had fallen upon Major
Wall, who had been directed to put himself in commu-
nication with Sir J. Herschel, for the purpose of making
all the arrangements necessary for the establishment of
the mint. The expense was to be borne by the colony.
DISPUTED PROPERTY.
Mr. C. BERKELEY wished to ask the Secretary of
the Treasury, whether he has received a memorial from
Sarah Allen and Anna Maria Randall, which memorial
was sent to him more than four months ago ; and if he
has received it, what is the reason why no notice what-
ever has been taken of it ?
Mr. WILSON said the memorial which related to a
claim to some disputed property of a deceased person,
was now under the consideration of the Queen's Proctor
and the Solicitor to the mint.
VENTILATION OF THE HOUSE.
Mr. HUME complained of the bad ventilation of the
house during the debate last night, and called upon the
right hon. Bart., the First Commissioner of Works, to
take care that hon. members were not annoyed in th•
same way again.
Sir W. MOLESWORTH said the heat was not occa-
sioned by the lights, but by the crowded state of the
house.
Mr. BOUVERIE said he occupied the chair in com-
mittee last night for more than five hours, and he might
therefore be pardoned for adding a word upon this sub-
ject. It was only this morning that he had occasion to
remark, that the temperatare of the house last night
was as natural as it was possible for the air of a room to
be. (Hear, and a laugh.)
CENSUS PAPERS.
Mr. HUTT wished to ask the Secretary of State for
the Home Department when the census papers of the
yen. 1851 are likely to be laid before Parliament.
Lord PALMERSTON said he had reason to believe
that the papers, which were of a detailed and compli-
cated character, would be ready immediately after the
Whitsuntide recess.
INCOME TAX.
Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that the Government
would propose to take the next stage on the income toN
on Thursday next, and the motion of the hon. baronet
the member for the Tower Hamlets relating to Church
rates on Monday next.
LETTERS OF REFUGEES.
Mr. PHINN wished to put a question to the noble
lord at the head of the Home Department which he was
sure the noble lord would be glad to have an opportu-
nity of answering. He wished to ask the noble lcrd
whether any directions or instructions had been given.
or any warrant issued, by the Secretary of State for the
Home Department, authorising the Postmaster-General
to inspect or open letters addressed to foreign refugees.
(Hear.)
Lord PALMERSTON had no hesitation in say-
ing that no such instructions or orders had been
given as far as his knowledge extended. (Cheers.) No
letter addressed to any foreigner, or to the individual
which his hon, and learned friend must have had in his
eye (Kossuth), had ever been meddled with, nor had any
letters which were addressed to foreign refugees, as far, as

consultin,

public con

ty ig
venience, and, as he thought, their lordships' w:shes.
Great public inconvenience would be caused by delaying
the passing of a bill of this kind ; and if it was wished,
he would go into a statement then, at once.
The Marquis of SALISBURY suggested a delay un-
til to-morrow (this day.)
Lord REDESDALE.—Ah, but we don't sit on Wed-
nesdays. (Hear, hear.)
The Earl of DERBY thought that if there was to be
a supplementary measure, they ought to diScuss the
matter, so as to see what should be the character of that
measure. At all events, the House of Lords ought to
know what was going to be done.
The Earl of WICKLOW thought the matter was
clear. The house was thin, because every noble lord
knew that the house could not alter the bill ; and the
noble Earl (Derby) share the responsibility for that tb4n
attendance with the Government. If the noble earl
wanted a discussion it could be taken • there the bill
was, and the noble President of the Council had said
that he was ready to go on, if it was wished.
After a few words from Lord MONTEAGLE, to the
effect that though their lordships could not alter these
bills, they were, nevertheless, bound to discuss them,
the discussions in their lordships' house on the property
tax being instanced as debates of great importance, and
of great influence on national finance.
Earl GRANVILLE agreed to give a formal state-
ment of the bill, and proceeded accordingly to describe
its more familiar features—only three or four peers being
present when he began.
Lord MONTEAGLE must repeat his conviction that
it would be highly objectionable to allow this bill to
pass a third reading without discussion. It pro-
posed to issue Treasury or Exchequer Bonds of un-
certain amount, the minimum being fixed at 1001. :
but it did not in the least make any provision for
the future conversion, nor was there to be any
check placed upon the mode or manner of issue. It
was the first time in the history of England that
Parliament had been asked to confer such a power
upon the Financial Minister ; and since these bonds were
to be made transferable from hand to hand, and yet not
convertible at any given period, what was to prevent
the Minister, in times of trouble and difficulty, haNing,
recourse to an over issue ? (Hear, hear.) That was an
insuperable objection to the bill, which their lordships
would do well to ponder over.
Earl GRANVILLE thanked the noble lord for some
useful corrections which his speech had supplied. The
noble lord le,d compared the Exchequer bonds to bank
notes, and said the Government ought not to issue bank
notes when they had not a corr.-snonding mount of 1)1,1-
lion in the bank ; but that was not th case, as the only
difference would be in the machinery. Instead of a per-
son having a transfer on the Looks of the brag:, be would
have it in the shalt of a Lend. The h mds would Le re-
deemable at the end of a yesr, and would have value in
the eyes of a banker which no other security could have.
The bill was then rea 1 a third time and passed, and
the house adjourn-d at nine o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair shortly before 4 o'clock,

PETITIONS.

Sir J. DUKE presented a petition from the omnibus
proprietors of the metropolis against the Hackney Car-
riage Bill, and praying that the bill might be referred to
a select committee.
Mr. CRAUFURD presented several petitions from
various places in Scotland against the Maynooth grant.
Mr. WILCOX presented a petition 'from Southampton
in favour of international arbitration.
Sir J. V. SHELLEY presented a petition from the
hackney carriage proprietors, stating tho if the Ilnck-
ney Carriage Bill passed, it would be their rain, and
therefore they prayed that the bill might be refei red to a

select committee.
Capt. SCOBELL presented a petition from the
licensed Nictuallers of Bath against the proposed in-
crease in trading licences.
Mr. CHEDALE presented a petition from Staley-
bridge, praying that the vacant seat of Sudbury might
be allotted to that town.
Mr. LOWE presented petitions from various places
in Gloucestershire in favour of the bill for legalising mar-
riages with a deceased wife's sister.
Lord HOTHAM presented two petitions from the
East Riding of Yorkshire against the opening of the
Crystal Palace on Sundays.
Mr. COBDEN presented a petition from the Athenaeum
of Manchester, praying for the total repeal of the adver-
tisement duty.
The Earl of MARCH presented a petition from Sus-
sex, against the County Rates Bill.
BOTTLING WINE IN BOND.
Mr. W. 0. STANLEY wished, to ask the hon.
estgen-
tleman the Under-Secretary for the Treasury a quion
on the subject of bottling wine in bond. What lie wished
to ask was, whether the Customs regulations would
allow wine to be bottled in bond for home consumption,
in the same manner that wine was allowed to be bottle ,
in bond for exportation ?
s in (die
Mr. WILSON said the subject of bottling wine in
bond for home consumption was now under the consi-
deration of the Customs authorities. They had already
made toftopLheticTarleda;sffiurcyu,itiienswv,h,iiiicult titioeoydp oi t
the
way out a
way of such an arrangement, but the matter was not yet
decided. As the same time, however, it
that he should state that at was only right
present the practical
difficulties in the way of such
a regulation were so
great that he could hold out no
being made to enable wines for home prospect of regulations
bottled in bond. With regard to consumption to be
the regulations would remain the same
wane for exportation,
same as they
Here.
CHICORY.
Sir J. TROLLOPE wished to know if the hon. gen
tleman was prepared to state -
of the Government with re what were the intentions
An answer to such a u regard to the subject of chicory?
eek. question had been promised this

Mr. WILSON paid he bad 1.1-&4.37 had a commanica•
tion with his right hon. friend the Chancellor of the
Exchequer on this subject, and lie had to state that his
right hon. friend having carefully ,considered the whole
matter, had come to the conclusiion that it would be
only fair, considering the forward state of the land for

.... _ .
he was aware of. (Hear, hear.) Certainly no such in-
structions had been given since he had been in office,
while he had no reason to believe that any were given
by his predecessor. (Cheers.)
COUNTY FRANCHISE.
Mr. L. KING moved for leave to bring in a bill to
make the franchise in counties in England and Wales
the same as in boroughs, by giving the right of voting
to all occupiers of tenements of the annual value of ten
pounds. He rejoiced that he brought forward the bill
under the auspices of a government of progress, who
had, during their short administration, shown a wide
spirit
of conciliation and concession to all parties. He
hoped they would concede their support to the present
measure in the same spit it, and that they would not op-
pose it on the ground, either that this was not the pro-
per season to introduce it, or that the Government were
already pledged to propose
,a, scheme of electoral
reform. If any great anomaly or injustice existed
in the country it was the bounden duty of the
house to remove it without delay, if that could be done
without injuring any class of the community. If the
bill were allowed to be brought in by the Government
they would show that they were in earnest in regard to
their promise of reform. Hitherto the bill had been met
not by reasonable objections, but by deeply seated pre-
judice. All it proposed to do was to remove one of the
greatest anomalies which existed in our representative
system. (Hear.) In a country of progress like this
it was absolutely necessary that the area of representa-
tion should be enlarged, and that the franchise should
be given to those communities who were capable and en-
titled to enjoy it. Looking at the corrupt practices
which had lately prevailed at elections, in some of which
the Government had been mixed up, they should de all
they could to purify our institutions, and not let it go
forth to despotic Europe that tkere institutions were a
laughing stock.
LoreJ. RUSSELL said he did not mean to enter
into any discussion upon the merits of the bill. It
seemed to him that the question of introducing the pro-
posed franchise into counties was so intimately connected
with our whole social system of representation that it
was not a matter which could be taken up lightly..
(Hear.) Whether it was wise, unwise, good or bad to
make this change, there could be no doubt that it was a
change of very great importance, and must affect the
representation of the house to a considerable extent.
Such being the case—and he believed it would be ad-
mitted to be so by the consent of all men—he then tad
that on this important question it was impossible to in-
troduce a bill without having discussions on the w *de
principle of our representation, and in order that an up-
pot Lunity might be obtained for that purpose, it was nee: -
saryto postpone all the questionsnow before the house. He
could :only say that the present Government were not
indisposed to consider the whole question when the pro-
per time arrived. Perhaps the hon. gentleman who lard
introduced the bill would not give any credit to the de-
claration, but he (Lord J. Russell) would say to the r ;t
of the house that the Government were duly im-
pressed with the importance of the subject, and
that they hoped, when they brought forward their
bill, they would be able to do so at a time
and in a manner which would secure for it the setlous
consideration of the house. If the hon. member went
to a division, he should feel it his duty to vote against
the motion.
Sir D. LACY EVANS defended Mr. Locke King for
again submitting the bill to the house, but trusted after
the explanation of the noble lord, it was not his
inten-
tion to go to a division.
Mr. HUME thought Mr. L. King had done no more
t -
pinlomdgoevainhgimfosreltfhteo
dolassesion
introduction o. After the expressions
f the. bill than he bad
which fell from Lord J. Russell last night respecting the
democracy, he (Mr. Hume) would refuse full confidencein his promise of future reform, and he should,
,
there-
fore, advise his hon. friend to withdraw his motion.
Mr. HADFIELD made a similar suggestion.
his
Mr. L. KING said after what had fallen from
hon. friends, he would not go to a di.visionw.
n.
The motion was then, by leave, hewn.
The ELECTION.
unatitohrtoeltclete-
tion committee to the house,o
f the member for East Surrey, the
fact that, on the motto
non the strength of the accusation in
Attorney-Goneral had',...
ted to pror.amto Stephen Mount for
Sir J. SHELLEY read the raenpdordtroefwt
haltCe
himself st t', 1 that the house
pet At that time hehad a ...e
Peri' 1 fm Cher and prosecute Sir F. Smith for
should procee(
subjectsince.
Htile_l \\ a,
of
ut after
i
allow hon. b
but in order Li members full time to
briberY; to determine -
consider the evidence, and what course their
Easter; that report,
a nd
t otphpeorlthinoiltey
duty to themselves and to the house required of them, he
not go into evidence, which was in every hon.
had asked leave bee
thisu to 17 hispostponefirs
member's
hand, but, assuming that they were familiar • with that
evidence, would urge upon them to stand lay
and to recollect that it was their duty to the report,
hands of their emmu'ttees lie streng6hen the
•thought that they ought
to vind;cate themselves, and to support
and he therefore begged to call th
to the following resolution :—" their committees,
attention of the house
That if it shall appear that
any pei:son bath been elected or returned member h
hop-c, or endeavotred FO to be by bribery, ora-i ofo
this
cor, apt practices, this house will proceedv-ith theyutmost
severity against all suet persons as shall have' been '1 ll
wi fu y
concerac in such bribe..,, or other corrupt practices;'
also, to the following resolution of the Chatham election
corninAtce :—" That it was proved to the committee that
Joseph Creathead, an elector of Chotham, had been bribed
by a situation as a letter-carrier in the Post,office, ob-
tained for his son Charles Greathead, by Sir J. Frederick
Smith ;" and to move, that the Attorney-General be di.
1 rected to prosecute the said Sir John Mark Frederick Smith
I for bribery at the last election at Chatham.
Sir F. TIIESIGER said he had hoped that some mem-
ber of the Government would have expressed their opinion
on tlis motion. (Hear, hear.) The hon. baronet who had
brough it forward had disclaimed being actuated by any
personal feeling in the matter. He (Sir F. Thesigec) felt
satisfied that that was the fact, r:-id ho was suro the hointi
baronet would be gratified, as many other members
be, to find that, upon considering the evidenocorii.
ercci„:ng
the house would not bo under the necessity
h ou. i
baronet had
in the way proposed. (Hear, hear.)rtniethat Sir F. &Ili eh
stated that the committee had rep
or
was not exactly the
was guilty of bribery.
Now, that
report, which was very
report of the connittee.as
follows
:—" That it has bon
guardedly funned, . vl
Nttetse that Joseph Greethead, au eiec or
proved to the comma