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course to it was an institution which would have spread
blessings innumerable upon that unfortunate country, in
place of the destitution and dissension which had attended
its growth.
Air. P. URQUHART supported the motion, replying at
some length to the arguments of Sir J. Youn and con-
tending that the evils of Ireland were mainly to be at-
tributed to the infliction upon her of an alien Church.
Sir R. INGLIS said that this was not a question of
numbers, but of right. The Irish Establishment was guar-
anteed by the Act of Union, which was unlike ordinary
acts, and contained clauses providing for Vick repeal or
alteration during the same session. It was a solemn treaty
between two nations previously independent. There was
now no Church of Ireland and no Church of England, but
there was tho united, and, he trusted, the indivisible,
Church of England and Ireland. (Hear, hear.) This was
no mere paper treaty, but the very condition on which
Roman Catholic members sat in that house was their
solemn oath that they would not attempt to disturb the
property of the Church as it now existed. (Hear, hear.)
He did not defend the Church in Ireland merely as a ve-
hicle of affording spiritual instruction to the people, but
on account of the great social benefits which during the
late famine had been conferred on them by the ministers
of that Church with a self-denial that had never been ex-
ceeded and seldom equalled by those of any other faith.
(Hear, hear.) Dr. Chalmers, no bigoted member of the
Irish Church, had declared in unmistakeable terms in fa-
vour of that Church as the last hope of Ireland. He (Sir
R. Inglis) thought that she had had much reason to
complain, not of her adversaries, but of her pretended
friends, who had abused her highest offices to political pur-
poses. (Cheers.) Still he should be ashamed of himself if
he did not protest against the observations of the hon.
member who had spoen last ; for there was at least one
Beresford (the present primate) whose name alone would
be sufficient to dignify any church to which he was at-
tached. He could hardly conceive how any one reading
the act of union and the oath he had taken, could feel
himself justified in endeavouring to destroy the Church in
Ireland, merely because other members had set him an evil
example. Knowing what the general terms of the resolu-
tion meant from the tone of the speaker, and those by
whom it was supported, and regretting that it had not
been met by the Secretary for Ireland on the right ground,
he should give it the most unconditional opposition.
Mr. R. GARDNER was understood to say that great in-
jury had been inflicted on Ireland by the Established
Church. He attributed much of its political, social, and
moral evils to the penal enactments of the last century.
(Hear, hear.) He was opposed to establishments on prin-
ciple, much might be said in favour of the English
Church ; but nothing could excuse the existence of such an
establishment as the Church of Ireland. (Hear.) Its ad-
vocates spoke as though convinced that they had a tho-
roughly bad cause. Though he should have preferred this
motion to have come from another quarter, he would give
it his cordial support ; and ho hoped soon to see the time
when Catholic claims would be discussed on secular
grounds, and in a proper spirit. (Hear.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE said it was notorious that the
Church of Ireland was daily gaining strength in conse-
quence of the thousands who were quitting the Romish
Church. This was also the case in the Uited States.
And was this an argument for the destruction of the Pro-
testant Church, which was the real object of this motion ?
This was also the main object of the Synod of Thurles,
which was held under the direction of that Romish pre-
late who was the legate of the Pope in this country. (Hear,
and " No, no.")
Mr. M. O'CONNELL—I rise to order. We owe on
obedience to him. (Hear and laughter.)

Mr. NEWDEGATE said that at least those hon. mom-
bars were acting under his instructions.
Mr. G. MOORE said that he had had no such instruc-
tion's.
Mr. NEWDEGATE—Then am I to understand that he

is not acting under the authority of Legate Cullen ? Has
he not the support of that Legate ? (Laughter.)
Mr. MOORE—I really don't know whether I have or
not. (Cheers.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE—The house ought to be acquainted
with that fact ; because I believe that the hon. member is
chairman of an association in Ireland especially recom-
mended by that legate. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. MOORE—That is not the case. (Cheers and
laughter.)