The Sun.
London, England, 1854-12-22 00:00:00

THE MILITIA BILL.

The Duke of NEWCASTLE, on rising to move the
second reading of the Militia Bill, and that the standing
orders be suspended, in order to allow of its being passed
through committee, said—Though in the course of the
discussion on the bill now in the House of Commons
(the Foreign Enlistment Bill), the bill of which I now
move the second reading has been not only repeatedly
referred to, but discussed at some length, your lordships
will naturally expect some observations from me in ex-
planation of its objects. During our present short sit-
ting both sides of the house have concurred in the neces-
sity for establishing a reserve for the forces serving
under Lord Raglan, in some place or places nearer than
the shores of this country, and so distant from the seat
of war. I apprehend that it is not only desirable that
we should have in reserve men such as we are about to
establish at Malta, that is, the additional four companies
to each of the regiments on active service, but that a
further reserve should be created in the shape of entire
battalions not now employed. Your lordships are aware
that though the army of this country consists of a hun-
dred regiments, a great proportion of them are employed
in the colonies and in the Indian service ; and although
those which were serving in the colonies have been
; reduced, as well as those in India, a great pro-
portion of the army reserves remain at their former
amount. Under these circumstances, the Government
think it of great importance that they should be enabled
to send forward to the seat of war those regiments which
at present constitute the important garrison of Malta,
the lonian Islands, and Gibraltar. It is for this purpose
the present bill has been introduced. It has been carefully
worded, and that is its object. The accommodation in
the barracks and other buildings in Malta will be em-
ployed for the reserve of the depots of regiments serv-
ing in the Crimea ; therefore, so far as Malta is con-
cerned, beyond a single regiment no service there will
be required. In Gibraltar and the lonian islands the
case is different, and without this bill it would be
impossible, with respect to the public safety and the
service, to reduce these garrisons. The garrison of
Malta has been set down at five regiments ; the same
proportion is given for the lonian Islands ; and the same
for Gibraltar. At present Malta has not that number,
for we have, with respect to Malta, somewhat antici-
pated the decision of Parliament. Though this bill
seemed to be misunderstood when you discussed the
Foreign Enlistment Bill, your lordships must discard the
idea that it is at all compulsory. It was stated as an
objection, that if the bill passed it would be difficult to
obtain under it volunteers for the service. I can assure
the house that the greatest readiness has been shown by
militia regiments in coming forward for the service re-
quired. (Cheers.) Voluntary offers have been made so
general that there has been hardly an exception.— in fact
I know not of any exception. The voluntary offers for
foreign service have been more numerous than can be
required. (Hear.) When I say foreign service, I do
not mean service for the colonies, for which this bill is
sought, but service for the Crimea. We have not
thought it desirable to ask for power to accept these
foreign services. The bill was not drawn with that in-
tention, and it will not bear that construction. If the
Government would attempt to employ it for such a pur-
pose, my noble friend would be the first who would say
we are straining an Act of Parliament. This bill is in
its character entirely voluntary. It not only requires
the colonel of the regiment to propose that the body he
commands be sent out, but it requires the consent of
every man in the regiment. (Hear.) But the principle

goes further ; for it is not only proposed that the consent
should be voluntary, but the particular place must be
specified, so that if a militiaman volunteers for Malta,
we shall not have the power to send him to the lonian
Islands or to Gibraltar. The noble earl has said that
we have power by the bill to send out the whole of the
militia without leaving depots at home for keeping up
the service. There is no doubt that, as at first introduced,
the bill might have been open to that construction, but
as it at present stood, as amended by the Commons, not
more than three-fourths of any regiment of militia could
b© accepted for foreign service, one-fourth being re-
quired to remain as a depot. Another improvement
which has been introduced is, that a limit of five years
is placed upon the volunteering, that being the limit for
which the militia regiments were originally enlisted.
Observations have also been made as to the non-neces-
sity for such a measure as this at the commencement of
the war, but I repeat what I have already stated more
than once, that it is at the beginning and not at the close
of the war that these additional powers and exertions
are required. It is not fair, as has been done by the
noble earl on a former occasion, to compare our condi-
tion at the present moment with that of 1808. The com •
parison ought in justice to be carried back to 1803.
(Hear.) The object of this bill is to enable the Govern-
ment to have au additional reserve in addition to that
of the new battalions to bs added to each regiment.
The noble earl (Earl Grey) requested on a previous even-
ing that I would, on moving the second reading of the
bill, afford some information as to how far the powers
given by Parliament last year for increasing the strength
of the army had been complied with. I will endeavour to
afford the noble earl this information. Under the provi-
sions of the Militia Act, the payment made upon the en-
rolment of each man in the militia was an enrolment fee
of 10s., and a sum of Bs. 6d. for other expenses. Under
this act a man who had been enlisted for five years could
be discharged either with a view of entering the army,
er for any purpose of his own, upon the repayment of
the sum of 18s. 6d., and finding an efficient substitute
in the militia regiment, from which he sought to be dis-
charged. The first step taken -by the Government to
encourage the recruiting from the militia into the army
was upon the 3d of March, by the repayment of the en-
rolment fee being remitted in cases where the man sought
to be discharged for the purpose of entering into the
army. A further step was taken on the sth of April,
shortly after the declaration of war, when the payment
of the whole sum was remitted if the man seeking to be
discharged enlisted in the army before the time for
the annual training of tne regiment to which he be-
longed, and at the same time a further sum of lls, was
to be given to the man to compensate him for any pecu-
niary loss to which he might have been exposed
by such a step. In May another regulation was made
which removed the whole of the-restrictions with respect
to the removal of the soldier from the militia to the line.
In the course of the months of June and July 18 regi-
ments of militia were embodied, and those relaxations
were attended with an increase in the number of recruits;
but later in the year the amount of recruiting fell off
to a great extent. In the month of November a cir-
cular was issued to each of these 18 regiments, calling
upon them to contribute towards the regular regiments
of the army 25 per cent. on their number, and with a
view to encourage this enlistment an additional bounty
was offered to every recruit, and an ensigncy in the
army was offered to every officer who could bring with
them 75 men. Since the 25th of November 45 addi-
tional regiments had been embodied, 36 in England and
nine in Ireland. Those nine Irish regiments being em-
bodied before they are enrolled, it will be impossible to
look for any immediate recruiting from them. From
the English regiments, which will be completely embo-
died in the course of a fortnight, we expect to derive
the same advantage of 25 per cent. as has already been
derived from the regiments previously embodied. The
whole numbers obtained from the militia up to the
time of issuing the circular calling for 25 per cent. of
recruits does not exceed 7,000 men ; with the view of
raising the strength of the militia regiments weakened
by the withdrawal of 25 per cent. of the men, encourage-
ments have been offered in the shape of a new distribu-
tion of the bounty, making the whole sum payable at
once instead of being spread over a period of five years.
With respect to recruiting for the regular army from
other sources than the militia, it has been urged that
nothing more was necessary than to lower the standard
and increase the bounty. If that be really all that is
required, I have much pleasure in informing your lord-
ships that that step has been taken some weeks since--
The Earl of DERBY—The circular was only dated
on the 19th of this month.

The Duke of NEWCASTLE—The step was taken
some four or five weeks since, and long before any sug-
gestion of the kind was offered by noble lords opposite.
The reduction in the standard was made from 5 feet 6
inches t• 5 feet 41 inches, and it has been in operation
for something like four or five weeks. The noble lord
the Commander-in-Chief did not think that the reduction
of 11 inches was made that it would be inexpedient is
reduce it to the standard which existed during the Penin-
sular war, but was anxious first to see the effect of the
reduction to 5 feet 41 inches. Since that time, and with
the approval of her Majesty's Government, a reduction
of another half inch has been made, and this without
any reference to anything which has been suggested in
this house. (Cheers.) The Commander-in-Chief has
expressed his opinion that unless some very extraordi-
nary demand should arise, he could not, for sound mili-
tary reasons, recommend a further reduction of the
standard than that of 5 feet 4 inches—the standard
which is at present adopted. The bounty also was in-
creased at the same time that a reduction of the stan-
dard was made, and an increased scale of allowance was
published for the cavalry, infantry, and artillery. A
third course has also been adopted which bas not been
suggested by noble lords, and that is of extending the
age at which recruits should be received from 25 to 30
years ; and a further extension was made by which sol-
diers who had obtained their discharge by purchase
might re-enter the service up to 35 years, 30 years having
been the former limit.

Earl GREY—What has been the effect of each
change in bringing up the amount to the numbers voted
last year !

The Deice of NEWCASTLE—It is not easy to indi-
cate the exact effect of these changes. I believe the
most material cause of the increased recruiting has been
the embodiment of the militia, and calling upon each re-
giment for 25 per cent. of its strength to volunteer. The
reduction in the standard applies equally to the militia
as to the general population. What the effect of the in-
creased bounty may be I am not able to state. .The army
is not yet brought up to its full strength fixed by the
votes of last year. There were two separate increases
made last year to the army amounting together to
40,000 men; but although the enlistment has been
in the course of the present year larger than in any
former year, we have not yet made the full addition of the
40,000 men.llt must be borne in mind that, in addition
to these 40,000 men, it is necessary to replace, not
merely the ordinary casualties, amounting to 12,000 in
the year, but also those casualties consequent upon the
war; so that, in reality, the recruiting which would have
been absolutely necessary to complete the establishment
would have been something like 60,000 men. I am
sorry to say we have not yet reachel that point. All I
can say is, that at the present time 25 per cent, of the
militia will not be sufficient for the purposes of the army
and I sincerely hope that, not merely noble lords in the
house, but the public at large, will, so far from throwing
any impediments in the way of recruiting among the
population, give every possible encouragement in their
power. (Cheers.) I have no hesitation in saying that
no measures which the Government have proposed
that fol• foreign enlistment or that of which I now move
for the second reading, will form anything like a substi-
tute for the enlistment from the general population.
Whatever must be done, whether by the militia or else-
where, we must look fir large recruiting to the gene-
ral population of the country. Without that the army
cannot be maintained at such an amount as will enable
us to cope with the gigantic power with which we are
engaged. As one mode of increasing the disposable
forces at the service of the Government, I hope your
lordships will give your assent to the approval of the
measure, which, I cannot help thinking, is as right in
principle as it will be effectual to the extent it goes for
the purpose for which it is designed. (Cheers.)
The Earl of DERBY said that it was with deep con-
cern he heard the announcement of the noble duke,
that, notwithstanding all the efforts which had been
made in the course of the present year, it had not been
found possible to meet the wishes and views and second
the endeavours of Parliament by raising the regular
forces of the country up to the amount sanctioned at
the last meeting of Parliament— that is to say, that the
addition, plus casualties, of 40,000 men has not been
made. He wished that he could concur as fully in
the principle and in the mode by which the Govern-
ment proposed, by the aid of this bill, to carry out the
plan, as he did in the objects which the bill proposed to
effect. Bet he believed that, so far from promoting,
this bill would rather tend to impede the object which
all had in view, and, at the same time, be accompanied
by other inconveniences, not the least of which would
be an entire change in ie character of the military ser-
vice. The militia force of this country was one intended
strictly for the maintenance of the domestic tranquillity
and the preservation of the country from the danger of
foreign invasion, and this to such an extent as to enable
the Government to dispense with the presence of almost
the whole of the small standing army when occasion
required its services elsewhere. The standing army of
this country had always been an exceedingly small one,
and had always been looked upon with a considerable
amount of jealousy both by the Parliament and the
people. This jealousy had, in his opinion, been pushed
to too great an extent by a principle of false economy,
and the result had been to a great extent the difficulty in
which the country now found itself placed with respect
to raising sufficient forces for the army. (Cheers.) The
standing army had in fact been reduced to such an
amount as made ii;not more than sufficient for attend-
ance
on the Crown, in the case of the Guards, and with
respect to the line regiments, merely sufficient to provide
reinforcements or reliefs from time to time for th
elargerrad
portion of the army, which was exposed to service
abroad
to a much greater extent than any army
nthe world.
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(Cheers.)
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sentially voluntary
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that
of the population
for keeping up that militia force, and to maintain that
awtaathue
readiness on the part of the population it was essentially
necessary that there should be a strict adherence to the
terms and conditions upon which each regiment was
raised. He was desirous of looking at the question in-
volved in the bill in two forms; first as to the manner in
which it would contribute to supply reinforcements for
the regular army, and next as to the consequence which it
might have upon the future enlistment of the "militia.
The noble duke was incorrect when he stated that
this bill would not enable her Majesty to employ any
regiment of militia in any foreign country other than in
the Mediterranean. The variation in this bill from the
, aot of 1612 was very considerable, J3y the previous

1 act the Crown was restricted to the employment of the
' forces in Europe. The present bill proposed, however,
no stint or restriction whatever, even to the quarter of
the world to which these regiments might be sent, and
the consent required from the militia was precisely
the same for the Crimea as for any other place. In
1814 his Majesty was empowered to employ the militia
force in any part of Europe, as he might think fit ; the
words of this bill, however, were, "any part or place
out of the United Kingdom." Whatever might be the
intentions of the Government, the words of the bill
would give power to send the militia, with their con-
sent, to the Crimea, just as well as to Gibraltar, Malta,
or the lonian Islands. Nor did the proposed bill offer
a desirable mode of reinforcing the army in the Crimea
in the most efficient manner. The noble duke himself
would not deny that the great error which had been
made in the course of carrying on the war had been that
the Government had not provided an efficient reserve.
They had sent thirty, forty, or fifty thousand men to the
Crimea, but they had no reserve at hand to support
them, At the present moment the garrison of Malta
was reduced very much below its ordinary strength,
and the same ho believed was the case in the lonian
Islands. On a previous occasion he bad ventured to
express his approval of the suggestion which had been
made—and which he believed originated is that old-fa-
shioned quarter, the Horse Guards—(a laugh)—rather
than with the new Secretary of State—for forming addi-
tional battalions to the regiments serving in the Crimea,
one-half of which was employed as an advance guard
and reserve in the Mediterranean, and the other half
to be detained in England as a depot and for the nu-
cleus for obtaining reinforcements for the army. By
this arrangement the battalions at home would supply
and prepare the raw recruits, and send them forward,
first, to the garrisons of the Mediterranean, whence
they would advance, as required, to the scene of
action, where they would be valuable as trained soldiers.
Now, if the object of the Government were to have
in these garrisons as large and as available resources of
militia, to fill up the barracks with regiments not to be
sent forward to the scene of war, but regiments only
available for those particular garrisons to which they
were to be sent, it appeared to him that the proposal
was one which defeated the very object the Government
had in view. The object of the Government, so far as
he could understand it, was not only to garrison the
islands of the Mediterranean, but to have in each of those
ports the largest available force to assist in the Crimea
when their services were required. By this bill they
would displace a certain number of troops which would
be in those garrisons, and they filled those garrisons
with troops which could not, according to the intentions
of the Government by this bill, be sent to the Crimea.
In his opinion it would have been infinitely better to
have a small military force constantly in those garri..
sons—he cared notlinw small—and to use every exer-
tion and inducement to encourage the militia, not to
embark as a body for foreign countries, but to! enter
as recruits into the regular army, and thus keep up a
supply of half-trained men, ready to recruit the ranks of
the army. He was not disposed to quarrel with the,
noble duke, nor to discuss with him at what time it was
determined by the Government to increase the bounty
or to lower the standard, and still less was he disposed
to claim any credit on the part of those opposed to the
Government for having induced them to adopt those
measures. They were steps with the propriety and ne.
cessity of which he fully and entirely concurred. But
the effect of the present bill would be to a great extent to
neutralise all the beneficial results which might have
been expected from the adoption of such a course. It
had been said that this was a volunteer plan, although
it certainly did not appear to be very like a volunteer
plan, wh en each regiment, as they bad been informed,
had been called upon and required by the Government
to send 25 per cent, of its forces as recruits to the army;
and it was only since that requisition had been made that
there had been any large amount of recruits for the array
from the militia. Perhaps the noble duke would not refuse
to answer this question—although he did not appear die.
posed to afford much information in that manner—
whether in the case of the militia regiments to be sent
into the Mediterranean garrisons any encouragement
was or was not to be given to those regiments furnish-
ing recruits for the line f There appeared to him to be
this double difficulty in connection with the proposed
bill. If those regiments were sent out and no permis-
sion given to the men to volunteer into the line, the Go•
vernment would be keeping a large force in the Mediter-
ranean garrisons for a warlike purpose for which it was
utterly useless. Supposing, on the other hand, that
there was an intention to give encouragement to the
men of those regiments to volunteer into the line, then
the Government would run the risk of sending out
those regiments of militia to be most materially
weakened, and, consequently, of leaving those gar-
risons unduly weakened, in consequence of the
encouragement to volunteer which was so afforded.
These were the alternatives between which he thought
the Government were thrown by the introduction of this
bill and sending the militia into the Mediterranean. The
noble duke had said, if those regiments were first formed
for foreign service, then they could afterwards accept
volunteers for them, He (the Earl of Derby) had no
doubt whatever that men who had had a little training,
and had formed a taste for military practice, would be
found perfectly ready to volunteer into the line from
those regiments, and by that means they would obtain
more efficient service. But what be was looking at was
not the immediate pressure, nor the existing willingness
of the militia to volunteer, but how far, if the Govern-
ment passed this measure, they could obtain the credit
of any military part of the population ? When the Ge-
vernment first enlisted those regiments of militia, there
,were certain conditions under which they were to be
embodied. These were, in the event of foreign invasion
and war, and the Government had felt it necessary to
ask the special assent of every regiment, and every
man in each regiment, previous to his being sent
out of the country ; and nothing could have been
more proper than the course thus taken. (Cheers.) He
had no doubt they would find many of those regiments
quite as ready to go to the Crimea as to any of the gar-
risons abroad. But that was not the question. The
question was, what were we to do with the agricultural
population, if it once became known that, in joining
the militia, they were entering a service under the
name of the militia, but which might turn out to be
something like the regular service of the army ? Do
not tell him that it was voluntary with respect to indi-
viduals. It was, practically speaking, not voluntary.
(Hear.) Depend upon it there would be, in the pre-
sent circumstances of the country, no great reluctance
on the part of many a man now in the militia to plead
his own private circumstances and inconvenience for
the purpose of escaping from that which would be put
before him as a duty, though it was a duty which he
never undertook. Well, he might go ; the man now
in the militia might go ; but they would find country
gentlemen, and persons employed in trade, hesitating
very much to enter the militia in future, if they were to
have that moral screw placed upon them in the shape
of an invitation to volunteer into the regular service.
His noble friend behind him suggested to him what
Was to become of a man with a family and with small
means, who had insured his life, and who had entered
into the militia, not conceiving that it would be any
very sanguinary bns iness. His life might be risked
by going to an unhealthy climate, and to call upon a
man so circumstanced to enter into an arrangement
which he never contemplated, he thought was push-
ing the voluntary principle to the very extreme.
(Hear, hear.) A very considerable alteration had been
made in this bill by an amendment introduced into it
at the instance of a right honourable friend of his in
another place, whereby a limitation was put as to the
of! any militia regiment to be allowed to go
abroad.
lie (the Earl of Derby) thought it was a matter
of importance to keep up that which ought never
proportion
great
r e a
to be broken—the connection of the militia regiments
with the country, and even with the county. Send out
the whole of a militia regiment—say the Royal Bucks
or the Royal Staffordshire—and they at once broke up
the connection of the militia with the whole
country. Depend upon it, with regard to the militia
force, considering its peculiar character, constitution,
and duties, it ,was of primary importance that you
should connect them not only with the country, but
also with the county, and with all denominations of
men within that county, from the highest to the lowest
in rank. (Hear.) Leave no root in the county, no
nucleus, no means of reinforcing the militia, and they
broke up its connection altogether with the county, and
entirely altered the whole character of the force. (Hear,
hear.) This bill professed to be founded on the 54th
Gee. 111., c. 1, in which there was an especialioprovaici
been inserted in this bill, on the suggestion
sion, precisely to the effect of the provisoinonofwhhishn?ght
hon. friend is the other house, namely, prohibiting
more than three-fourths of any militia regiment going
He contended that was an inten.
out of the country.
tan error. He did not
omitted ; that it wahs ndoiseretion of the Govern.
tional blot on the part
part of the act of 54th Geo. 111., w
of the Goverhnimchenhta; tdhhesatnisttuwdias.
ously
desire to interfere with t e
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bill he thought
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considerable latitude should be given t
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Govern.
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involved v ed upon
that bill matter of
went in the means they took for reinforcing the army
at this crisis. He did not intend to offer any opposition
to this bill, but he thought it was not unreasonable,
seeing that in the year 1814, by the act of 54th Geo.
111., not more than 30,000 of the militia were allowed
to be employed at one time out of the United Kingdom
hmen should be
nowt
amountof the militia is
l like 15,000
—that a p
this country was so much inferior to what it was is
1814. Be objected to this bill, first, because it was
imposed, of
when something
the tot
total
not the most efficient or advantageous mode of re-
cruiting the strength of the army ; and next, upon
the ground that, even altered as it had been, it alto.
gether changed the character of the militia, and ex-
posed us to serious risk—not now—not in the present
year—not under the present excitement—but in future
years in reference to our ability in keeping up the
permanent supply of the militia. (Hear, hear.) He
thought, too, the Government would find themselves
under considerable difficulty ivben they came to deal with
H
the question of bounties. He thought there would be
some difficulty in apportioning the amount of bounty to
be given to a man volunteering into the militia and to
another volunteering into the line. But that was a
question with which the Government would have to deal.
The proposition of his right bon. friend in another place
was that not more
than three-fourths of any militia regi-
ment should ever be sent abroad at any one time ; and
he (Earl Derby) was told that considerable amusement
was excited in another place when, on the question be-
ing
asked how many were to remain at home, the answer
was one-fourth. (A laugh.) It would be very well if that
were the case; but as the bill was worded it would appear
that not more than three-fourths of the "establishment"
of a militia regiment were to be permitted to serve out
of the United Kingdom at one time. Conceiving the
" establishment" of a regiment te be 1,200 men, if

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hree_fourth. of that regiment volunteered abroad, that measure, and he could not see how the distinction drawn in this matter. The com Pressed hay would have kept different stores and articles safely and accurately to their ready to come to a fair understanding with regard to the the understanding that they would afterwards be conveyed terials as possible, and to forward thom to 1311);(11
would make 900 men so volunteering, but if a regiment by the noble earl opposite between the two told against sweet for many days had it been fished out even within several destinations. progress of this measure, I think we might go int, corn_ to their destination. It had been truly said that very im- , Lord Raglan had at the same time sent to Sinopa t, P
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mittee upon it to-day, and agree to take the third reading Portant colonial questions were involved—great difficulties ' chase timber there. Lord Westmoreland -a-
in the whole amounted to 900, seeing that that number this measure. It was a greater hardship to extend a the week after it floated out of the wrecks, and the Lord ABINGER beeged to suggest to the noble duke
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toencrrow. I think that is a fair „r„„mont. There must necessarily arise ; and it might be that, when they 1 ceived instructions to have huts constructed in -
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would not be sufficient to constitute its " establishment," compulsory than a voluntary service in the militia, and slight impregnation of the outer portion by salt water to establish at Balaklava some office for the distribu-
wilnl beeeeneassubsequent occasion, upon Najd' any gentle- came t? consider the details of the plan, it would be found and the Government had heard by tho mail be ,-, /
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he saw nothing in the bill to prevent the whole 900 leav- he really could not see that there was anY hardship in would not have rendered it at all distasteful to the tion and delivery of goods consigned to the army. At
w f I a strop,' conviction of dut that he ou ht impossible to work it. thet an Austrian Lloyd's steamer had left Tritet
ing the kingdom; and therefore in such a case one-fourth giving the militia the option of Performing garrison duty. horses. But no ;we are all ' Jolly miller wights' out present officers experienced the greatest difficulty in
tmonaddress the house oen this important dasure may go,. Colonel DUNNE considered that the families of these sonie of the huts on board. Ho did not knoAw the
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would not be left at home. If that was their intention, The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH objected to this here, and care for nobody or nothing, and so the fodder getting the goods and parcels that were consigned to ress his opinion, and at the same time we shall have ful- men ought to he supported by the Government and not extent of the aid which had been sent from - s ' '
_
he mast say the Government had acceded to the words measure, which he charaeter.isea as one equivalent to a floated and bobbed about, stranded on the fringe of them. This difficulty might be judged of from the filled the pledge which we gave, that we would offer an left to the charity of the country, as those of our own if he might estimate it from the amount of the billgeetabl ,
of the amendment, but not adopted its spirit, viz., that general producing at the beginning of a battle the whole unutterable abominations and corruptions by the fact that the baggage of the army had arrived in the uncompromising opposition to the bill. (Hear, hear.) soldiers were. (Hear, hear.) As to the half-pay, he by Lord ',Westmoreland, it was considerable. lei:, ,
arre -
the goose that beach, floated off again, and rotted and stank, and Crimea, and had not been distributed up to this very Lord J. RUSSELL—I must say a few words after what wished to know whether an English officer on half-pay spect.to the warmer clothing a great portion had
there should be always left in this country at least one- ,of his reserves. It was, in fact, killing
feurth of the strength of every militia regiment. He sub- laid the golden eggs•,_, kren had entered freely at first stinks and rots, while the animals are half starving. In moment ; it was tossing somewhere about the Black the right hon• gentleman has suggested to the house. It is who entered this foreign legion would forfeit it ?
mitted also that the bill in many cases would subject the because they were tcttu tneir services would only be re. the same way the immense amount of timber which Sea, hut nobody knew exactly where, and there was quite true that I did not make any complaint yesterday of Lord J. RUSSELL observed that all these details would
ye
the debate
ll:teeing carried enduring the whole of the sitting, come under the consideration_ef Government after the bill he stated that the warm clothing which had aarri
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mediae officers of militia regiments to inconvenience and quired for a few wee" at a time, and for a short period washed about the harbour and on the coast outside, no responsible person to undertake its delivery. Nei-
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because I t ought that hon. gentlemen who wished to take pessed. They had eome to rarhament for their sanction in course of distribution, and would doubtless
hardship. We enlisted militia regiments in certain lo- of years ; but now, when it was proposed to send the and which would have answered for hutting all the ther was there a sufficient train of baggage waggons
part in the debate—they not havine - don anything. to the comfort of the troops. " eking
I ould not suppose that men—at army, and for fuel, was permitted to drift out again the attached to the army. .
calities—we collected them from persons more or less regiments . abroad he c
- e relit lion. member for Oxfordshire had asked ave
merit on Tuesday night nor interfered at ell with the de Th ry Sir G. HEATHCOTE then asked whether, o .
within those localities—and they were embodied only for least married men—would enlist at all. other day when the freshet set in to the head of the The Duke of NEWCASTLE wished to say that be
cision of the heuse u ' • ' • ''' ' 1 t -
e prop-sed an adjourn- to the general principle before they decide
pon the second readm, of the bill— important question, and correct y s ated the effect of the the °Teat end dis roportionate loss among the dacell
a short time. But send them out for five years to a After,ga, few words from the Earl of GLENGALL, harbour after the rains and when the wind blew off the had already made an arrangement of the nature and for, were entitled to express their opinions upon° the subject on existing laws. He (Lord a. Russell) considered that the the rete ba‘ttl apy hat tel had been taken to
. foreign country, and look what the condition of a me- T, he tnill was read a second time, and, the standing shore, and very little of it was saved, though woe betide the end suggested, though whether it bad been successmi the motion for going into committee. 1 entirely -concur wives a•nd children of these men would be in the position a -e; with thee; diltitereanned„win thse eass of the offi.„Ser: as
dical officer of one of those regiments was. He en- oi niers naving been suspended for that purpose, tbe house the luckless wretch who may be found by the provost or not he was unable eo state. About four or five months with the right hon. gentleman that we, on the part of the of unsettled paupers, and entitled to relief out of the poor pr"iv-ates, both in reference to their ordinary clet"'"'
tered upon his duties as a medical officer to a raj- •Mmediately went into committee on the bill. The era- marshal walking eff with a piece of wood for his hut ago, finding that the commissariat would not_be able to Government, have no reason to complain of the course rates. As to the emigration question, suppose S, man came , that epecially ordered for winter use in the Crimea ; eii
litia regiment in receipt of very poor pay, but hee ricus elanses passed unaltered, and the bill was
_ordered without an order." He (Lord Hardwicke) called the manage this department satisfactorily, he applied to his which has been taken. The matter has been fairly de- over with a large family, and a married son among them; 1 arr. s. HERBERT said that the Government liale,,ji't,
accepted that pay becauee he had at the same tim to be read a third time to-morrow. attention of their lordships to this case, in full confi- right hen. friend Sir Thomas Fremantle, the chairman bated ; but I think it would be for the convenience ef all if that son enlisted no colony would object to receive , instructions to word Raglan, as rneny officers miert; •
parties, and lam sure it would be for the public interest, the remainder of the family. No money, however, could I unable from want of means or of facilities of traneP°l
THE FRIGATE THETIS. dence that the Government would take immediately of the Board of Customs, to select six or eight landing
to issue) .
some private practice in the country which he wasit .
if the house were to go into committee to.nieht • end I be a-, aied to this purpose without the consent of Perlin,- , obtain warm clothing, that, he was at liberty ~ ra, ,
sirens of retaining, and, if possible, augmentiog. . .
.. The Earl of HARD WICKE said he had two ques- every means in their power to put the harbour of Ba- waiters who should undertake the conduct of this duty.
should be glad if the hen. member who has giv:n n'oi'ice of ined,land they woeld fherefora have ample opportunity i clothes to the officers as well as to the men. SO la ei f
tions to ask the Government, of which he had given In,klava. in a proper condition. (Hear.) He did not They had been accordingly appointed and sent out,
an amendment on the first clause would not brine it under of cons'idering-the question. i was concerned there would of course be no Marrow
el t
if he Went out to Malta, for instance, with his mihtia
rivate ractice
fear for ships in the roadsted of Balaklava, if properly being made a branch of the cornraissaria,t, with uni- , a ~„
regiment, he went at the- ruin of his them notice. It was not so much to get an answer for
tne notice 0, tne nous° this evening, but reserveeit for the sir J. wAIeeNGToN said that the nal° lord had given I tween the (hose of me and officere. The now Patter ''t
himself as to bring before their lordships' notice a case handled. He had stated last year, and he was still af forms, in the hope that, by their aid, confusion and third reading of the bill to-morrow. (Hear.) a Tory different eapienatien nom that of tho SecretarY of uniforms, of which th: neat issue of clothing
He would be entitled to no half-pay.wheitidie elle back
that opinion, that a fleet might winter safely in the inaceuracies in the baggage department might be obvi- Mr. PACKE appealed to the Government to limit the War. He considered that the house had a right to come eist, imele but a slight difference between the dress °f °t ,
again ;we called upon him to eacrifice le practice and which bore on the subject of the war in which we were
his connections, which formed his meaiis of livelihood for engaged. The first question was with respect to an ex- Black Sea. He would not say a word against any ated. How far the arrangement had effected this object duration of the bill to some definite time, because the plain of the conduct of the Government. cers and men. There wo
riod we tu
five years, and at the end of that pe rned liiin change said to have been made between this country and officer in the navy, but he would say that any officer Ile could !let undertake to say, but he should not omit country had been afforded no opportunity for considering Colonel NORTH reminded the house that the officers of most distinguishing feature between the officer aid P ;;-.1
- Is • h" 1 I •t•• • l • ' • • • f T f •I 1 'l . • • b• the ni• !
As they were no
who would allow his ship to get on a lee shore there, to ma ,e inquiry on tis lead a 80. 1 s piincip e, or pronouncing an opinion upon it. the last German legion belonged to the first ami les o non , no, eager exist. While upon this sit Jaa I ,
loose npon the country. . . w considering Prussia, and which certainly a eared in itself a small
the most effectual mode of carrying on the war, he had matter according to the answerPlielicited from the First either in a gala or with an enemy, was not fit to cons- The conversation then dropped, and their lordships Mr. BRIGHT observed that his hon. friend the mem- Hanover and Brunswick, and were fellow-subjects of their mention that he had spoken with officers who had eeTool
bor for the West Riding had given notice of his intim- English comrades. But they would now e,ret a very dif- i Balaklava, and they told him that there was much lean .
a few words to say with regard to that portion of the Lord of the Admiralty. He (the Earl of Hard- mend her. Such was the form of the la,nd that, with an adjourned at half-past ten o'clock.
tion to go into the general question of the war when ferent class of persons and no British officer eould associate 1 prehension in the idea that our officers were cut off ty
that.,
service by which the blockade of the Russian ports was wicke) had lately been down at Chatham and he offing of 20 miles, a ship could be in safety from any
the report was brought up. Now, it might so happen with men who engaged themselves for five-and-threepence I the differences of their uniforms. It should be recol! ewe
bad had th
maintained. They e assurance given by the had seen in the deck her Majesty's sh!
0 Thetis gale. The only gale that was dangerous in the Black
that there would be no amendments to the bill .-tnd to grea '
, , a day to cut the throatS of the Russiane, with the certainty ' that the duties of officers naturally led them
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gate
First Lord of the Admiralty at all events, if not by other and be had been Id b - - h 1'
h ' Sea was the south-west, but if there was a good offing
to yan officer t ere tat she . HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.) •
then tho bill would be reported forthwith, while mein- of having, their throats cut by the Czar in return if he took difficulties than those of privates. In addition InTietri
11(1 be no epaulette, and thuriso 1
f he Go
members 0- t vernment in the other house, on was about to be exchanged with the King of Pres- obtained, and warning. taken in time, any ship might The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. hers would be precluded from going beyond the scope thorn. Most of the barracks were either iu the arsenals or officers were, of course more likely to fall under must" ti
several distinct occasions, that the strictest orders had
to blockade the Russian sia for two gun-boats. He felt exceedingly surprised ride out the gale in safety ;asto a steam.ship there Mr. A. PELLATT presented a petition from a hackney of the bill on the question for the third reading. in the manufacturing districts. The reason why there Sir W. HEITHCOTE asked if the difference in
been giyea ports as well in the at hearing of such a change, particularly a, vras no question at an. He made these statements carriage and omnibus proprietor named Crosbey, complain- He trusted, however, that as his honourable friend were barracks in the latter was that they were necessary undress unifo.m of officers was to continue ?
atter,
Baltic; as in the Black Sea and the White Sea. The she was a vessel well known to him, as he had been in with no unfriendly feeling. (Hear, hear.) He felt ing of the excessive duty charged on stage coaches, and would have to comment rather strongly upon the policy of for the protection of property in case of disturbance. He Mr. S. HERBERT believed that in the new li-
blockade took place in the Baltic from the early part of an experimental cruise in that ship He was the more that the port of Balaklava was the basis of our opera- praying that it may be reduced. the Government, there would. be no objection to his speak- warned the Government against employing foreign troops there was no undress coat.
June, where it had been ineffectual. It was introduced struck with this exchan e, knowir; that this shi Lions, and on the state of the port depended, if not the EMIGRATION SHIPS. ing a little wide of the subject of the bill. (Hear, and a for any such purpose. The house then adjourned at half-past 8.
later in the case of Archangel, where it had also been constructed on a sup r. rgplasn, afnd gwas one of tee hweasst success, the sustenance and comfort of the army in the Mr. J.O'CONNELL wished to ask if any correspondence lattgll.) Lord J. RUSSELL said it was provided in tho bill that _we_ -
ineffectual ;
Lord J. RUSSELL said there would be no objection they were not to be so employed.
COUNTBY MARKETS.
and up to this moment the ports of Tagan- of her etas.; i f te in
nac , was her el a m p . .
odel of erfection Crimea. His question was, who was the responsible had taken place between her Majesty's Government and
on his part. (Hear, hear.) Lord NAAS hoped to hear an assurance from the Go-
rog and Odessa were just as much open to Russian COM' (Hear.) H ----e
should not have taken further notice of that of the United States, with a view to concerting effec-
merce as i
fno blockade had ever taken place. Haying this if he had not been informed that ari ht hen. en- officer of the port of Balaklava. But he had no desire to
be answered directly. tive regulations for securing the good treatment of passen- The house then went into committee on the bill.
y and further if it b ' t d d t b•n in
, gars in passenger ships plying between the two countries ; Upon clause 1 being put, vernment that the apparently ill-considered scheme of
emigration connected with the measure would bo given up. . ee
DERBY SMITHFIELD.—Dno. 19. , 1,
declared that there would be a blockade of the Russian tleman in another place had stated at one tfme that Aare The Duke of NEWCASTLE said he was extreme!
e to 60 '
ports, the Government had invited British industry in was an exchange—then that there was a converse ' 'dth t th t' hd b td • Parlia- fou d d
time g.a a e ques ion a een moo e in
hll b 1 11 t • • • • f • d
, einen e o ei g any measure Mr. L. KING moved the.following proviso—" That no Lord J. RUSSELL said the Government had not the
n e uPoe the other recommendations of the Emigrant contract with foreign soldier; s a a awful under the ema es intention to give foreigners any pre erence, an The fellowing were tho quotations :—Beef, 6- eg eee
every part of the globe to provide substitutes for the about an exchange—and then that the exchan e was not 'tient, and especially by the noble lord who was a Ships' Committee of last • ?
lb. ; pigs, 95.6 d to JOs Od per score ; rough fat, Deg, to ea
Prtudace which came ordinarilY through these ports, and completed—then, further, that the exchange tvas for an member of the naval profession, as it waS a question Mr. F. PEEL said som:e=spondenee had passed with payments, excepting to officers disabled by wounds, to taken great pains to facilitate the settlement of soldiers in
provisions of which this country shall be liable for any the noble lord was probably aware that Lord Grey had mutton, 6ttl to 7d ; lamb, Od to Od ; veal, Taet°_ sd° to. rOi!
per 141 b.; hides, wed to 4td per lb ; calf-skins, 11-1
"'pat had happened ! Why, enterprising merchants old frigate—and a matter of that sort of importance of paramount and vital intereet. He could not but the Government of Washington, but principally with the continue beyond the period of one year after the ratifica- the colonies.
Mr. HILDYARD thought that if any indulgences were Per lb.
acting on that declaration, and bringing home their goods which was of little value. No man better knew the admit, although all that had been said and written object of ascertaining in what state emigrant vessels arrive tion of a definitive treaty of peace."
in the United States. It was the intention of the Govern- Mr. S. HERBERT said that it was not the intention of to be granted to these men, it should appear on the face of
from India and other parts of the world, were met in the force of language than the First Lord of the Admiralty ; on the subject was not absolutely correct, that there
EDINBURGH GRAIN.—Deo. 20.
ment to introduce a bill founded on the recommendations of the Government to give pensions, but merely half-pay to the bill ; otherwise, as an individual member, he should
1.1 2a 1111'.
would cal ! ,
English market with the astounding fact that, notwith- and when he-said that this was an exchange for an old had evidently been cases of neglect and want of fore-
hereafter a ainst saddlin the countr with an se- Wheat on the to rice as before and average
the committee over which the hon. member had presided. those who were wounded, and also to the widows, and he vcltl'ex e•g • g y " P' P ' 5d uP• °ati
standing the announcement of a blockade of the Russian ship, he understood well the meaning that would be put thought and attention to the wants of the army ; which
begged of the hon. gentleman to withdraw his proviso. pens which might be asked for on the ground that Barley on the top bd down, and average Os ,no en
ports, the trade with Russia through the Black Sea was on his words. Taking them in the ordinary sense, they might in future be prevented by that pressure of Parlia- DUBLIN HOUSE OF INDUSTRY.
Mr. S. KNOX wished to know whether these foreign they had enteeed its service. (Hear hear.) on the top Os 4d up and the average Os fal up. •Dee
as brisk as ever, and our well-wishers, the Greek mer- implied that the ship was not of much value. But that ment coming in aid of the remonstrance made by him- Mr. V. SCULLY asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland,
soldiers would be entitled to receive aid from the Patristic Mr. F. SCOTT said, unless he received a satisfactory as- the to ls down arid the ay two 6d u
p , er e p.
whether his attention had been directed to the investiga-
surance from the Government on this subject, he should Total Supply and Sales.
chants, enjoyed the whole advantage of that trade to the ship was built in 1846, and • has turned out an exceed- self and other members of the Government. Before pro- tion lately held at the Dublin House of Industry by order
sold 1027 Vs
detriment of British subjects. He thought their lord- ingly flee frigate, and is one of the best of ships in point ceeding to put the question pat by the noble earl he of the Irish Poor Law Commissioners ; and to the practi- Fumndr.
Wheat 1496 qrs
sold 2231 (its
ships had a right to ask the Government whether of form and strength. She is 1,500 tons burden, and should express his regret that he bad brought uP the cal inconveniences arising from the order made on the 9th ?S. HERBERT—They certainly would not come move that tho clause be pcstponed. He could not consent
under the terms of the commission authorising the Pa- that the inhabitants ef the country should bo saddled to an Barley 2598 qrs
sold 1330 VI
orders had been issued for a blockade, and whether that must have cost the country between 40,000/. and 50,0001. question of the disqualification of the captain of the day of September last by the governor of that institution ? triotic Fund, which was confined to the giving of pensions Indefinite extent. He did not wish to put the house to Oats 1515 qrs
sold 142 erg
to the widows and children of soldier; in the existing Brag the trouble of diviclin,g, but unless a setisfactory 'assurance Beans l6B qrs
blockade had been strictly and effectuatly carried on in —and the other day, when he saw her, she had receives" Prince. He assured his noble friend that it was by no Sir .1-• YOUNG said his attentiol had been directed to
Od
tish army in the East, and it would be a breach of faith were given, either by the right hon. gentleman or the noble
' the Black Sea. If it had not, that must have been in a complete refit in her rigging. As a grave and mer. means an established fact, and considering that that in- the investigation ; but he had only received the report
Top of Wheat .. 641 lb 90s „,
towards the subscribers to apply it to any other purpose. lord, he must place on record his protest against this blind
consequence of orders from the Government, because the
Barley... ... 58a lb 39s tIL;
y cantile transaction this was a question of great import- dividual, whether qualified or disqualified, had perished within the last few days. That report was now under the
Mr. S. KNOX wished to know from what foreign coun- bargain.
411 lb 34s o;
had on a very late occasion voted the thanks of Parlia- ance• When he considered the cost of that vesesl, and with his ship, he regretted that anything should have consideration of the Government with a view to the re-
try these soldiers were to be obtained. (Laughter.) Would Lord J. RUSSELL said, all that the right hon. gentle- Oats
relent to Admiral Dundas and the French admiral for then considered the probable cost of the gun-boats, been said till what was undergoing investigation should moval of the practical inconveniences complained of.
man the member for Oxfordshire (Mr. Henley) asked, the Beans
the manner in which they had discharged their duty in which could not be worth more than between 5,000/. kayo been decided. It was extremely painful to the MAGISTRACY OF IRELAND. they be Irish ?
Mr. HIGGINS asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland • • attention of the Govern- Government had undertaken to do. (Hear. --•
. the Black Sea. One of two cases ; either it was an ima- and 6,000/. a- • hth ht le t t' feelings of that gentleman's famil d' . f •
piece, e oug suc a ransac ion was y, an it was but air whether a t t t •
s a amen in some of the newspapers be Men .
Mr W WILLIAMS Galled the , , /
tto the necessity of carefully examining every inven- Mr. NEWDEGATE thought that after the Government , wheat;
ginary statement that the produce of the Black Sea had worthy the attention of the Commons when the esti- to wait the results of the inquiry which had been instie tit h' h• h b •tt d t had confessed their inability to say whence the men were At this day's market there was a good supply et ;cod a
non in e mac inery of war wic was su mi e o
well founded, that the Government have set on foot a re- BOSTON—Dim 20.
been poured into the port of London without let or mates came to .be voted e and if ever there was a case tuted some days ago. (Hear, hear.) His noble friend vision of the list of persons holdin the ColllllltBB. of the them. Tho proposals on this subject were usually referred to be obtained, they had no right to complain of opposition. and a feir quantity of other grain. -Wheat eaPertthaiiit-
hindrance, or that the Government bad not issed orders in which the First Lord of the Admiralty should be should recollect, when he complained of the loss of this peace in Ireland ; and if so upongwhat principlemsnuch re- to a committee of engineers, who would not see anything Mr. AVA_RNER hoped the noble lord would give an as- . dull inquiry, and sales could only be effected by St:loton
worthy of merit in them. All experiments ought to be surance that the barracks in the manufacturine districts ting to a reduction of es to 2s per qr. on the enhaitcy tarn .
at all for a blockade or had issued counters for suspend- made to pay the difference to make up for a bad bar- ship, that it was lost in a storm of no ordinary character. VisiOn iS reglllated • and if 'he would lay before the house
fairly tried. One individual had. an invention by which were not to be given to these foreign troops, an% that no of the preceding week. All descriptions of spring
ing that blockade. It was a matter of Parliamentary gain, this was that case. lle.would make no comment on Generally speaking, in those latitudes there -was a suffi. any rules or order's issued for its conduct ; also to inquire
he declared that one man at the battle of Inkerman would barracks would be taken from British troops for their ac- were held very firmly for late prices. nl te
right that their lordships should insist upon knowing this, for it was a matter of fact ; but the First Lord of the cient offing to get out of the wa and not be caught whether such revision is to include stipendiary magistrates,
le 765 --(
do as much execution as eight. It was also found that the coramodation.
Prices :—Wheat, red, 678 Od to 75s Oil ; whi , , oats,.
whether it was true that her Majesty's Gavernment had wdmiralty had evidetftly not carried out his favourite on a lee shore but it a not a Y'cl• t bt a and, whether it be the intention of Government, as vacan-
said one thing to Parliament and had actually done an- principle in this bargain, and gone to tbe cheapest mar- extraordinary 'hurrica:e.s His niilienfarri3eciad omi a
dirdi
cies hereafter occur in the latter office, to avail themselves percussion caps would not explode when they became a !wird J. R:.TsSgit_tzi3tlttltceedvof.uld be difficult to give all 783 Od : extra 80s Od. Barley, 32s Od to gBs:de to roi
24s to 30s. Beans, 46s Od to 51s Od. Peas, 44 Uu
of such opportunitiea for reducing the number in districts c.sivrilepi; Zzsrelsrt was an. invetnttic
ll:sarteie•cfuistil cvarrea th e
_t
a saidas"Tlisr:ethe men by no means If;
illeiael 1.7 je teat=
other. (Hear, hear.) He begged to asa a„ther ques• ket. With respect to the gun-boats they were built not charge the Government with any neglect in re- where the unpaid magistracy are adequate to the adruinis- h per qr.
tion. He might be wrong ; but it was very currently by Mr. Seat Ressell, and yet that gentleman had been spect to the details of the ort but he held them res on- that whereas the oyde•xPertmenolssion ea would not ex- of the country • and another hon. gentleymen said, " Let
.
P , . , P tration of justice ? , r itiary per
.p
reported that not only good, „d mer,h„di„ had left gent to Prussia to see whether these boats were fit eil le for th •
e appointment of sufficient and com etent Sir. .
J YOUNG said the statement was well-founded, plode when wet, th tb • ' fth b k• th ft '
the improved percussion cap exploded em no ein any o e arrac sin e menu ac unng
NEWARK—Dao. 20.
the port of Odessa and other ports in the Black Sea, to be exchanged, and used in her Ma'est 's ser ' He .offi)cers He ' ed in •ioof th P lel t• after being under water for 24 hours. districts ; " while a third hon. gentleman said, " For 1 I saPPli
-
vice:
to give any precise informa to
ttlitat
eproposit n 1 eno e but he wee net able , n
Mr. F. SCOTT wished to know, as there seemed to be God's sake don't let them come into the rural districtse, At our corn exchange to-day we had le plenti uwtsinese
but that ammunition and military stores had also left supposed Mr. Russell had gene to Prtissia.Yon a lord, and if tie-ZFerL d
Tissiocii at rs an /Lilt Iteons fen, emen, and as to. the rules and order! which had been issued for eon-
of grain. Wheat ls to 2s, and barley ls dearer. -.0
i a h • th s b'ect whether officers (Laughter.) He should like to know where they were to
the port of Odessa for the Crimea. It was likewise re- the expense of the Crown. Well, he ca ele the same ducting the inquiry. With regard to the second question, some m s ppre ension on e u j
~ . 670 lb 52s 01
ported that the two Russian princes the other da
Y saw they. were admirable boats for the Grnove ae
,an he all. hhosei in and out of Parliamen , de lt in .
be trained for the purposes of tho war. (Hear, hear.) He was flat towards the close. 72s °a
Prices :—Wheat, white, 78s Od to 84s Od; red, , dinr,
quitted Odessa by sea. He hoped their lordships would quite fit for the Bettie rnment, and sprit w. th the Government, they woudd. hey° no right to the revision would not include the stipendiary magistrates,
ea, though it was undoubtedly the intention to keep down the would be entitled to half-pay ander this bill.
A laugh ) He (Lord H - corn lain That was a fair res onsibility • but to
( • ard p . p ,
hear from the Government whether that was true. The wicke) did not think they were fit for the Baltic • and it that if officers in the Crimea were in want of' a chancre—of' Parliamentary sanction or Queen's warrant to enable offi- dice raised, as there was, perhaps, in 1804, yet when these 0, s • ar ey, ma ing, s c o
Mr. S. HERBERT—Certainly not. There should be be. lieve.d that, although there might be a temporary preju-
s Od ',
neva,
num er o s tpendiary magtstrates as mac as possi e,
b f e • • h 'ha t7B Od B 1 le 38 01 t 40s Od • grin 30s
count had ari ht to be at in •
ceztro. nsiNenailrfs
03(sefst00(13t3oe
03,313 Odliemtactss,osolod(„l et 4: gltood.3areas;
iitisi 8,1. to
ry g p full possession of all the was uite evident Prussia did not thi consistent with the interest and wants of the country.
leite:xvsitteal iliveettliiledpastret
p.a...sei: :ieeez can entbye:=l
wttyd I,,cledx,:zwarB,ll, 7,2
nk they Were fit linen it was the fault of the Secretary-at-War we's an
facts of the case. He hoped he might be pardoned for for tlcile Baltic, or she would flat be eo anxious to part ahsurd assertion. He admitted it was the bounden dut ENLISTMENT OF FOREIGNERS BILL.
tion of the wives and children of the men who enlisted they had indulged in such illiberal prejudice.
ia.sYdiaci,T
56s Od. Malt, 72s Oil to 76s Od. Tares, 00s Od to uv
deviating a little from the Militia Jill now actually be- with them, He had taken the liberty of stating these of the Government to appoint fittiug instruments., anyd ADJOURNED DEBATE.
. 1 of th d under the bill. As he understood the law they would have Mr• WHITESIDE said in the bill of 1804 it was provided _ s
fore the house into that which ap eared to be a material things to their lordships in order that the public ehould he thoueht be could satisfy hie noble friend that they had On the o
to be supported. by the ratepayer; of this country. (Hear.) that the foreign troops should not go more than five miles
tion of th 1 1 P • thi h bate on this bill,
re ea e ay for resuming the adjourned de-
SEABORNE MAILS.
por e genera sc ieme of carrying on the war. know that
The Germans who were so frequently mentioned comine from the coast. If such troops were to be introduced into
s c ange was not a beneficial n •
It Was onl o e , and the not been* deficient in the present case. He asked who
• Y because he was desirous of not interposin er he ant' •pedatedd.from the Government that evening was the responsible naval officer in charge of the Port of Mr. CONOLLY rose and said he was anxious to to this countr for the p ose of emi ration, owl. Ireland he would submit that the should be stationed in ______,......._—.
- any obstacle in the way of the Government that he answld be belilenvi say a few words upon the subject of this ungracious
be accompaniedyin many casuersPby their wigves and wchildd- the nearest poor-house which had nyo tau ers.
wou „ ii•ectly contradict that given in an- Balaklava I From the 10th of March to the 17th Octo- subject, which he considered to be a disgrace te
d'f eh 1* td• th ' f tie' + M W A WILKINSON •d tl It 11
d• t
abstained from offerine an 't. •
ren, an i . e men en is e in e service o is counsry, r• • • sai ea accor ing eo some by the night—and Mby the morning—despatch.)
a y opposi ion or moving any other place by the First Lord of the Ad •It Th bS Ed d L th •bl ffi dh• t Th f • • 0d t b
mira y. e er ir mun yens was e responsi e o cer, an tis coun ry. e oreign mercananes prop se o e the wives and children would be chargeable on th ' h hon gentlemen everything depended on the amount of
amendment upon this bill.
a pans •
IVO
fact was, the boats ha,d arrived from Prussia, the bar- he thought his noble friend would admit that a more added to our gallant soldiers in the East were not the men -
tf h'oh the barked. B • If the f • 1 °ion wer btt .d. th 11
of the por romw 1. yem eing denaturalised PaY• oroign ee ee er paa ey won (no
Day when made up From wi at ea, ts
Earl GRANVILLE said it was ' •
q ute manifest that gain was completed, and this country was about to give responsible officer than Sir Edmund Lyons could not be to cheer the spirits of our men. He would ask the Go- by their own sovereigns, they could not be sent back again, longer be assassins.
COI7NTRIESI. in General Post- Port ,:,,,,,acl•
in the matter of a blockade he • • '
, volving in a great degree a shiP of a value between thirty and forty thousand found. (Hear.) Sir Edmund Lyons held the situation vernment what they thought when they found men of and he wished to know whether they were to be main- Mr. BANKES wished to know what was to be done Office, London.* Dispatcheo. ."L.,....••••
(N signifies that the mails are sent from the General Yost-001°
the interests of trade, it would be most rash not to take Pounds for two gun-boats not worth more than twelve till the 17th October, when he left for the purpose of liberal sentiments opposing the measure of the party to which twined out of the national fund, or out of the the rates of about billeting. . - *--- wee
every Friday .... Liverpool ..• Ella
care to be strictly and verbally accurate in reference to thousand. they beloaged. It showed to him that the Government had
be given to any question on such a sub attacking Fort Constantine which operation he con- Hull, Liverpool, or Portsmouth, or from wherever else Mr. S. HERBERT said he must request hon. gentlemen America(byßrit.paek)N
America (by United Sts.
the answer to • _ The Earl of CLARENDON he ed, if his right hon. ducted with.such gallantry. '(lslea.r.) Since then he h no faith in the bill, and he was further confirmed in this their husbands embarked.
Mr. S. HERBERT said the question was _a verx i to be reasonable. Jan. 3
as opinion by the very pitiable defence which was made in
packet) ~
~
~ ....5 Nov. 14 .......... Liverpool •••
ject ; and it was the delicacy of the matter that had in- friend the First Lord of the A.dmirPalt
y was to be made been otherwise engaged in the public service. A captain f Government
avour of the measure. He warned the . m_ Mr. BANKES—We wish to make a bill; this is not
America (by IL States
("need his noble friend not to give an off.hand answer to pay the difference in case of a bad bargain, that he in her Majesty's service was the person who succeeded against the course they were pursuing, as the time portant one. At the time of the formation of the German one. (Hear, hear.)
tegion, the wiyes and children of the men remained at acket) .. . ....N Nov. 22.• •• •••••• Southamptoo
Mr. S. HERBERT said there were certain details which
which might Possibly be inaccurate. With regard to would be allowed to pocket the difference in case he made him, Captain Dacres, of the Sanspareil. Captain Dacres would come when they must pass A MOSt searehing ALtralla (sl'a **South.
the blockade of the Bale
e so that this question did not arise. But in the case
ic certainly some portion of that a good bargain. (A laugh.) He (the Earl of Clarendon) was the responsible officer till he was ievalided on or sc utiny uon the course which they had pursued onie, '
of exerman em grants being taken as recruits at present
i • Dover ...• ..
the executive only,could manage. It was impossible to put ampton) ..........w Tail. 4
eilles) N 'Tan. 9
blockade was not enforced until lately. At certain Proposed to give his noble friend o •11 ' btthl4 h N b h d'd k h hr h tple Hhd th •th h • (1.1 d
pposite a the infor- aou e t ovem er— e i not now t e exact t roug ou t e war. e c arge em W 3 aving o e the Government •
mould of course, on account of the diffi- D tt (via Cape of Wed'
everything in an act of Parliament. The question of the Two (via Mars ,
barracks, for example, must be left to the discretion of the
.ports in the Baltic, and also at Archangel in particular, nlation he could, and, although not aware of what his day. He was not certain who succaeded Capt. pacres out remittances for the war with a niggardly spirit to our Ho ) NlDec.4 .
time (west Coast)...tels;3 14the,e, mentf.h.. Plymouth ..
there was a considerable quantity of merchandise the right hon. friend in the other house had stated— (a laugh) but he had reason to believe that Captain Drummond troops in the East. This question was not opposed upon It suggested h the right bon entleman select single executive. ("No, no " from the Opposition.) No fetters .. Pe •• •••••• ••" ,•• ' -
nc luenY. If there wyere married men. gh
', f o th-e•r were imposed on it with regard to the billeting of other '
rtroz.tie:f. Btittsth and French merchants, and therefore all be would undertake to state were the facts— ef the Retribution was the gentleman. Commander
sesazyt o mtpone the blockade fir some time. ( a spirit of party jealousy in this house, but the opposie eligibility it would be desirable towseocsuere:rtZZ Wigs and troops. (Hear.) As to the pro Vision that the Gentle"' itieeignKclirriaa:::::::: ....Ps 4,th'ee e'ote Oar Iting: :I=i.tfance.e.:
'
laughter)—and he had not the least doubt they would Powell, of the Vesuvius, 'was the beach-master. Admiral tion was based upon the general feeling of the country, children might preceded them to the colonies to which
Orders w:
forte if there was elle feeling more strongly implanted in the
the coast, he would observe that it was afterwards de- Belgium ...... ~ a ..N Dany......•••• - Dover ....•• 12"' so
or a,ist(r)iset blockade of the Russian corresPond with what was stated by his right hon. loiter, who was in command of the transport service in they were going. • leeion was not to be quartered more than five miles from Bahamas ••••••• •• -Al 17th of the month Southamptoi
..,,,,,
Brazil ..............?“ 9th of the month.. Southamptoi. ute•
ports of the Bile:lel:Sea
b ast of an Englishman than another, it was hisobjection
h orders were ?hien
e to the friend. The proposal first came from the Prussian Go- the Bosphorus. had been ordered up, and Admiral Sto Mr. HENLEY said that the facilities of communication parted from. (Hear.) It must be the disposition of the
Buenos Ayres .. . .31 9th of the month.. gotitham?tol
Oertiii:
Engliah and French admiral •°l3
13. to foreigners being introduced into this co.untry, and more were much greater now than formerly, and no doubt they Government to place these new foreign troops where least
Various porti!Un
natimma ~ _ .
.. a, ut some points of inter• ment, who wished to increase their marine, and they d f d t ed la. Th th 1)1
e. or was o succe im. ese were e resnonsi e s eciall when those were a art of form n mercenaries
opposition was likely to be excited by their presence.
ta having arisen the could
- I' p Y. I) y g . • would be accompanied by their wives and children Cape of Good Hope .. /i
carried out, except "ti , Y not be at once sired to exchange two gun-boats for two shi sof 1 arties at the t,' • d
re3pec we peno s named, and he thought The measure he denounced as one of a most miserable and cape of Good 'll;pe. '.. N
. . xe entrance to the Black S called donk 1• t • dhe 13
a°
as"
•
Communications were immediately entered in ta ea, ey- riga es ,an t answer her Majesty's that his noble friend o ld' d •
w u a mit that they were offi- pitiable character, and one that would tend to lower us in be bill more than militar men He hoped the rieht hon. Ceylon (see India)
to a much greater extent. The thirty thousand Colonel DUNNE said no class of society disliked this Cape de Verds ....,,N 9111 of the monti. south:m:lpm,
the two Go vern in ents, and the result was t t hbaT. t vfrreeesZ k ?„:Vect:_rnent gave to that proposition was, that we had cers fully competent for the discharge of the duties the opinion not only of our allies, but of those who were Germans who came here annually were said to . et • , e . ,
between 25 and 30 years of age. They were therefore not gentleman would inform the profession at large how they De), 10n..............
.gat
, ct key-frigates to dispoee of
were to be placed relatively to these foreign troops—Tr .
he-
orders were sent out for:an effectual blockade of that sea. ' was then a second. . - - . (Alaugh.) But there confided to them. He deeply regretted that any such not. .
mere boys, aed they could not imagine 30,000 of such men
Ai 25 & 17th of moat: Seuthamptoi,
w weed ; and it as proposed
should have occuvred to product's
.the lamentable con-
to irregularities, errors, and acts of culpable negligence . ..
Mr COTAJER thought they should not be taxed with
e`mt. of Europe M ge N
t er the officers were to have the same rank as British `6l,ins oc; y„w,-)•• --
divide against the clause. F,thirni..e.l.l.isles...... ~N Mon ~IVed.,&Fria. gouthampt ~,, riab
Then -came the enormous enterprise—the conveying ol ,xchange the Thetis io'r two' guri-b taw -f
a ci....tio. of ....tic...a. ,---... th.hc affordipoz upport. It .
inconsistency in supporting the Government. It was not without having many wives and children. (Hear, hear, h
the troops to the Crimea, and during that time materiale they should be found suitable to oitir p7rpaells'e7AY sequences to which his noble trtend had telt it hie and laughter.) As sure as the sun was in heaven the wives omflierdr.esivirdwrlii.7eot7ii::::::::::::ei it nwt:yil:s:nt:elb:i:io:: Constantinople a......a 8,13,18,23,&28 ofn Dover •••• .•
was enough for them to know that the 'Government and. ch_ilaran of the men :would finl. their way to this coun-
try, where there was a right of maintegnance, :heroes thievia•es .
as i nimportant question to Constantinople .. „„ ~ Ith &2Clb of mon. ion titimitou ~19,11/
were entirely wanting to enforce the blockade. sine, survey was then made of these gun.boats. He did not duty to call their lordships' attention. The statement
was none in their own country. (Hear, hear.) He ho e I
read by his noble friend hal appeared in prim ton Mondey tici4sthesniiimittld wx ar la=
toef nici2cztlityfta. nd thlie.: that;
-1-' 'vie, (lane ••. • . Dover .. ' rviic—
F9"ce, .•••at se N rwice daily... ... Dover .... • c 0
.•..•
that time stringent orders had been sent out to enforce know if Mr. Scott Russell was the builder, but he
the Government weuld consider thee uestion which P 1 Eupt (see India)
(sibraltar .. .. .. .. .. 31 4,7, 17, 20, 27 ofth SJuthamptce Drv:ic• --'"ii
the blockade in the stricteet possible manner, and to believed they niudt have cost a great deal wore or Tuesday. Ile eltoulcl undoubtedly feel ithie dutyagain, heard much from the Opposition much wit and Mr. BANKES said it w no i •
for:iget troops bilaeted upon them against their will or Greytown ..........mS2ml &17th of mon. gouthampt,,. sate
harass the enemy in every possible vvay. than 5,000/. or 6,000/. 3 piece, for they carried two or by the mall that would leave this country on Monday, to many brilliint speeches, but he ha'd not heard from admitted to be an important one, before the third reading
of the bill, and inform the country how these people were their fellow-subjects whether they were to have these areece (see India)
tet
The Earl of DERBY--When was that order sent ? three mortars. Ile considered them most desirable boats, call on lewd Raglan to make immediate inquiry into them that we had any force to meet the many
to be dealt with. (Hear, hear.) . no.
.It was no insignificant matter of detail, but one of
p 0 s t -
Ili
o,,sivi ei
nai lii,nudurae.be.
......
......
...
.:
...
.:
.....i2TD, iial,tiiisyoti.af.yt.
h.ete. . em:.r,i.)tin. a.ti. a osooonvadehoran:
.ri..
p....,.,..,.., i
for,
.1e,31
d.v 1 e
Earl GRANVILLE said the last order was sent two such rut her Majesty's Government wished to get in the the acts of gross neglect which must have taken place, trained troops which Russia could bring into the field. Mr. R. PHILLISIORE thought that the right hon. gen. principle.
months ago, and the first was sent at the commencement The Government told them that such forces were wanted
month of June His noble friend beside him said that and to report immediately who were the culpable par- , tleman was right in the view he took. If a foreign state
menr lii-gyßlf.:3oE(;l.atlide
iteCtioey.yitt tit titllt, his
Mr. GROGAN thought the clause ought to be
in
litoon'itari,u, raissies..;s: .(3 .
r.n..a.:)11,71,7th of the month. Southamptoi
~ 15
these gun-boats. were worth' between thirty and forty ties. He should give the same directions for a strict in- and. Government possessed, he. had no doubt, infer-
of the war. The noble earl had asked whether enor-
mation that they did not feel ustified in makin mb- ,ave letters of denaturalisation to a portion of its sub- Pened•
Delia (viaSoutliampt.)l4l4th & 20th of mon. Plyin ,uth •• De-
Yaa which there was no restriction of the kind now suggested. flrnedlaiand(vi.a.
mous quantities of ammunition had not been sent from thousand pounds. (Ilear.) However, some delay took quiry as he had already felt it his duty to give in the •
lic, but ou ess ad learnt from Lord fl, aiglan
d btl h j left: ,e3t, heo:fee mstolite: :IT! teof ILttlitieers teitleS:t y2lett,s3tte.
.Ma.rs.e.milleas):T9t,hvi&e,(2,sdtahi o f mon th Dover ......
Odessa to the Crimea, and whether two Russian princes place, and the ne,otiation remained so, and in De. Fase of. the loss of the Prince. Instructions should be that such a force was necessary—and he would notincur the
cember his right an. friend said that her -majesty's immediately sent out to Admiral Lyons to institute in- responsibility of refusinghisvoteupon uch ste
easion.o H bound to defend and protect them in all the subsequent 17 es. 27 of men Dover.. -•• ~..e, 14111
ly • • .. Iloly head ~. 1" -7•
had not also sailed front tbat port ? The only answer he
e condition of their lives. (Hear.) If that was a correct view It was said. that the Gorman leeion was peculiarly consti- L1,,en...-...... .. iii 7, 917 & 27. of.m. Southampton. Dec' -4
(Earl Granville) could give wee, that four or five shi e Government no longer wished to have thew' ; but the quiries, with the view of ascertaining the parties with didnot look upon it ;Litany re reaCh tOus that°" not tuted ; but if hon. gentlemen*referred to the debates of madeira •• - .:..::....bliath' of 'the month Soutliamptok
..„,, 18
had been constantly cruising in front of Odessa ; and Pit Prussian Government said that they considered an agree-
we were now in a state of transition, and that, he thought,
whom the culpability rested, and of Preventing, if pos- possessed of such large forices as fo • CI. wer
reign espots, as of the law, the Government ought tO consider its bearings
Mr. WEHTESIDE complained that the t. •th
1804, they would find them constantly described a 8 IllerCe- Madeira
............• N (3, 18, & 28 of men. Dovor ......
•• ........ _le i23d of month .... Liverpool ..• .-- -
• appeared perfectly impossible to him that such ammuni- First Lord of the Adn,iralty said* that the Government
meat for the exchange had been made, and then the s i bTI eh,
es uEc latr il i soaf tilsgli3datof rale edciudriinogt ir tii
seutto7f-er ON(Useaairghe understood the right hon. naries, and the scum of the earth. (Hear.) Malta (see India) I
Dee. 2)
. tion could have left the port, and that the Russia l• ved us from any reproach of not bein ffi
re le
Malta .
, il
g BU - gentleman to say that it was intended by the Government
onstihre
jp.rresAenKticrieGseT.
ques ion wi mauritins (see India)
princes could have been sailing in the .' • 't f't in
elm' .y 0 i would not go back from their word. These were the any observations on the oint 'ecl l t hed
p s pAr iuar y ouc . cicntly prepared in numbers with those who were not in ah t the is d children should, i erne ea t D regard to billeting had ot been answered. Mauritius .........,N I4th of the month ,•,„ 16
'
similar state of transition. Much had been said about ctetale theirwlevuesbaannis to the colonies tonwshich 'the ances,
- ro-
Mr. S. HERBERT sine'
the way described by the noble earl. Further than that facts, but he was not aware that the Thetis had under- u b li. •
pen y is noble friend, but he wished to call their • • uon us the oblo i
bringing P guy of Russ a by the y meant to Id, of course the foreign troops Mexico .......„„...w end of the mouth. Couthamptei ••••-*
go. He did not understand tho right hon. gentleman to were not to be billeted. There were many wa 8
of Naples .... „, ...... „N
,sthlsth2sthofmon.. ' -
. Dover .....•
he could not answer. With respect to the bill before gone a thorough repair as was stated by the noble lordships' attention to what had been stated ia reference proposed course, but he thought that the b
a sence of a say that it was intended to send these soldiers ultimately to treating men who were tp be hero only for a few weeks, New Granada ......ml2d &17th of month Southamptoi• wpm
their lordships th
, e best plan °fall would be tint of the lord. On the contrary, he understood that it would take to the steam-ship the Prince. It had been represented itifficient force would be a --
much greater one, and he again the colonies, theugh he heard rumours mat of doors to that and not to form part of the enuan nt • , New Zei1and..,......,18y private ship .. Various pen Cruc-
noble earl, namely, that while tl • ' 8,000/. to put her in thorough repair and h
p e garrison of tne Papal mates ......../s4lsthlsth2sthofmon Dover ...• • •
ley were waging war in , s e was to that the whole of the warm clothing and medical stores repeated that he would not incur the responsibility of re-
-1 h 0 d ' •
Th• th fi t WI f • th h • countr
effect. is was ers pu cre erence in e 011se.W141 _r y• Peninsula ..........milthl7th27th .
Wham. Southaniptot
the Crimea they should have perfectly well-trained troo ie an _e over to the Prussian Government without were conveyed in tbat vessel, but that the medical fusing his vote to the Government to obtain that which they reeard to the sending them to the colonies. He was justa- est . WHITESIDE said, there was a distinct i • Peru
prov ;non
~ •• •• •.•• ......x2a Sc. 27th of mon. Southamptoi etas
stationed at the garrisons in the Mediterranean ; bit3i her armament. (Hear.) stores were placed in the bottom of the held with all the assured the house was absolutely necessary to prosecute '7,
fieu, therefore, in calling on the Government to ex 1 •
pam in the act of 1794, that the foreie
en troops then about to i srt Natal .... a ...,N 'By private chi Various ports Clic
the war with due effect.
Sicily .. ~ ~ a , .
.le
. 15thl5th25t1; " P.' '
the thing they had to do was that which was practical and .STA.TE OF THE HARBOUR OF BA.LAKLAVA. other stores Above them, so that the medical stores being heir intentions really were Cheers
what t , . , (
.) be raised should. not be permitted to advanCe more • (ninon, Dover ....••
that which was possibl
wanted at Scutari they could not be got at for landing NEWDEGATE had h d h b tth
Mr. ear muc aou e necos- Mr. S. HERBERT said that the right hon. gentleman than five miles into tho interior of England. If the hus Tuscany ..............wethletheethefmon. Dover ...• • • 6
• . e. The noble earl had stated that The Earl of HARDWICKE had asco d
Dec. 1
there had not b - e n question to without first remeving the heavy articles, and this being sity of this inletaszet, :iteld the able troops that we proposed slightly misunderstood the expression he used when he said knew who and what tho troops were the Governiacalen'; Venezuela ..., ......111:2d& 17th of month Southamptob
aen anything like an adequate reserve put, res • 1
pecting tle port and road of Balaklava th
kept up to reinfor
, at found impossible it was necessary to take them on to to. entgtagee, b t e
errdhhad yet been heard about it was the intention of the Government to send so many of were likely to raise ender this bill, there might not be the Valittis=ir Land
(9ee
ce the army in the Crimea. He most important osition for the •he h forcei were
ahrmy in t Crimea, as at their character was— these persons to the colonies out of the whole number they same constittitional jealousy of these troops. Perhaps the West Indies ...'...ii • dB;l7`h h Southarnptei )oea. 16
hardly wished now to argue the whole queetion of the on the state adP co d•t* f Balaklava. Now that of itself showed great misman- wrther they were well armeNdvt
li . oi mont i
___..a-'
nn,,
andnreillion. o t at port depended the
inrotics ortnhoat, or such as we might get. Ho was informed that it would be possible to Government would quarter those who might be sent to --- -- - -
expedition to Sebastopol ; but he was not sure that it was means of feeili agement on the part of the persons charged with the wilgeht place that confidence
not better to have sent 50,000 men at once on such an induced to take' notice o
efvitnhge
sotuartefoarecdese.oeldftei had
fbeen stowing of that vessel, and he thought it would be well cmalled for, and he warned them th
Intl
Rneetiathweasocceafsiall obtain the services of a certain number of Germans who Ireelanud
einrettel.'oorhouses nearest the coast, for there were When any of these dates fall ort aSnd y, the mails will he dr
, , ~, Vle
on o the
were in tho habit of coming to this country for the purpose
Breeched on the following day, with the exaception of the ille:j to
megion than to have sent only 25,000, and to have port of Balaklava, in the first instance i that there should be some persons appointed who should Powers in the world, the best adept in raising discord and *zrattng to Canada tho United States, or Australia. ° 11.)oardpJ. RUAELL said. be understood the '
right hon. s outhainp ton), and the Malta, both of which will be despatchc
000 behind the , n cense nence be particularly responsible for the stowage of all yes- mutiny amongst Powers opposed to her, if she obtained a °feline eentleman the b
t e the 'lll,
(Hear, hear.) With regard of the afflictine eircumsta I•h f 11 d q •
nces w tic o owe the disas- t 1' ' b del h
But he was no spea sing of the gross aura er, nor 1 e e mem er for Bucks, some time ago to state preceding day.
garrisons in the Mediterranean, it would be trous st '-'
sels in the public service, But what he particularly chance, and would not leave any art uupractised th t I h'
orm of the 14th November. It w
can to say that they were to consist of that or any ate t ought it would be for the convenien f '
ce o public --e . '
better, no doubt to h as unnecessary wanted to suggest to the noble duke was, that every to obtein such an end—(Heag hear)—and then he a business that the home should ' t ear th°
tinned th . • ave perfectly well-trained men sta- for him to attempt to describe what had occurred. The ler denomination of persons. The Government mi ht
would ask, what 77 to be our security that such a inhoenzminittee that Q
..,COTTISH CENTRAL RAlLWAY.—Traffic return --- 31
ere ; but at the present cri-' • cargo sent out to the Crimea should be an assorted obtain the services of persons in transitu, and after th-ose evening, and that the third readign°,
ticable, and h th 1 '4B it was not prac- effects of that tremendous hurricane had been faithfully
band as we propose' o raise would be faithful to their • the followine de If th It'll * s be taken ou week ending Dec. 17 1854
e oug it, both in a milit cargo and that in no case should there be put on board h t e • tth •
services were over, e saw no groa er reason aeains eir
achninietrative point of view, it . ary and in an reported. Among the losses durine that storm there was of ' engage •
ment9 We had plenty of resources not only at desirable -Oa' 'Y.
e i w.as to be rejected, it was Correspondin '
g week last year 1,956 16 tn
is not desir one ve . .
seel the whole of th steres of the sam
e .. e descrip- going to the colonies than if their services were not asked at it should bo so immediately ; if, on the e
rison our forts in the Medit w'
' able to gar- one ship the circumstancea of whici%ere peculiar, in con- • house, but in our Indian poissessions, thet in'i ht in a ver cont • 'ADVERTISEMENT.) —Du Barry's Delicious Revalewen..
erranean with perfect! tion, because, in the event of the vessel being lost the ths be made availabl f c g . : y for in the intermediate time. Of course no Government rary, it was to become law it should he passed as soon
raw ge uence of her havine coming out from Enelend cona i , few men . eor any service in the would think of sending out a large body of mon to the as possible. What would. be the 'Wed Arabica Food invariably restores health, without ilsa—,,,
recruits. He thou I
ght tae plan of recrige y q b * e ' an- whole bulk of the stores of one descri t.
p ion would be lost Cr• nsea and it was under these • of making dela • •
1 tng from the in, almost everything that was necessar f th •
y or e relief and circumstances that he
militia for the defence of those places was not a had **
f h •' ' likewise, and the army be left utterly destitute of a Ild ' ive his most strenuous ' colonies against the will or without the consent of the then he really could not conceive. jAs to the qt• Y cute, inconvenience, or expense as it saves fifty tirs,:iit
assistance o t e army in the Crimea, and she had besides shou g oppeosition to the bill.
its cost in other remedies. 'We extract a fey/ -0,41
one ; but there was not found that immense readiness supply of such articles. It was an essentiall I
yum orm llfre FRESHFIELD thought colonies. But the right hon. gentleman must be well whether the men were to be respectable, or the Sucuesmiool;
'eh b
en the part of the men in the militia money to a large amount. It was well known that th t • • th British force in India the earth he rli 1
aware that there was great anxiety in Australia to obtain a , , op ta that of course it was the intention of of . fifty thousand testimonials of cures, whl , five
a principle that every cargo should be perfect in itself and might be better employed, not in the Crim a, bt • ther
to volunteer for sit' ' hed. Hea I Id
resisted all medicines. Cure No. 180. "TwentY•iity,
that service, as was generally supposed. He thou ht thil/at Ins
h. ( re) t wou be presumptuous to say should be an assorted cargo, containing a portion of 'eh places, against Russia but he sug ested °that
ea , uthln oh
I German settlers, especially from the banks of the Rhine, me Government to obtain, as far as possible, respectable
a s tp could have been saved, but he could assert
le" tof this bill had been exhatistfid. Tee • e w e e with a view to the cultivation of the vine and the making men. They could not, however, bring certificates to that yicars' nervousness, constipation indigestion, and debl ,c 0
with respect to the general question that measurei of thAt • class of articles, however small, and h •
t en, if you SU JeC • • hnically there house with ree,eard to the character of th fom which I had suffered reat •ry nd Wlffile,
it washis conviction if the regulations of the port of ection to this bill of wine (Hear, hear.) o mon to be en- e a
this sort were brou ,
alit forth in great crisis, and he Balaklava were such 'ht t • • lost one ship, you would suffer comparatively little, be- was no obi ._ _ , and after the debate of yes- • RUMMOND 'cl 't d that the onl defin•
Ma. D . sal i appeare I listed ; that was mtt h' h t
&ear) w ic mus be left to the Go- no medicine could remove org rel. mu
- ' .3-- -
ieve, have been ._,„
thought our Parliamentary system, admirable as it was, port, that shi (the
Pao oug o prerail in any such cause the several ships, in a manner, insured each other terday and the night hefore it yas time the bill had got into •
five idea the right hon. gentleman had was o se a gin
t yt
• - vernment. (Heaar h tually cured by Du Barry's Food in a v hort til"
rY s 50.
rince) ought to have been saved. committee, now that its principle had been affirmed by the After a few worhs from Mr. T. CHAMBERS —VT. F. Reeve, Pool Anthon T' 4a e Cre
ought not to be stretched with the view of discovering It had beenpst m• kin !hth' d fi • •
4 gup eac o er s e etencies. trap and catch some Germans in tra . ,
nsitu but when a man
Ye ivei son. U .„,,„,
ated that that ship had not been coin- majority of tho house. Continuing this debate might lead Mr. DISRAELI had never inte ' 4,2oB.—"Eight years' dyspepsia nervousness, debdam's
flaws in such measures. mantled '
in the manner she ought to h b
ave een ; and he The Duke of NEWOASTLE had not seen the st t n ad'ournment beyond T d y '
next, which was set a gin he ran an equal chance of taking a pheasant or a nded to say that the bill
Earl GREY said he did not think it required any knew from an officer that so ill b 1 she ment to which the noble earl refer d and 'lya e.
to
adesirajble ; and he thereforeues a-
polecat. (Laughter.) The question of the right hon. mem- was to pass through committee without discussion. He with cramps, spasms and nansea, have been ellg
microscopic power to discover flaws in the bill before their that his atteution had been drawn to t
bheeenf commanded
not aware that any news a er roer individeeuratland was
nceoatse talking and go to work-on theenbilela.ted the
.httoeuse ell,: ber for Oxford (Mr... Henley) was a very serious one. In was sorry that her Majesty's Government were not able to tually removed by Du Barry's delicious Food in is lieri,
lordships. He objected to that bill because he thought vernment was advised as to the inabilit o
afetti.: the Go-
stated that the whole of thelp Pmedical stores and a
ever
m supported the bill because he felt that lonucronmoVe fell') Bavaria, and in some of the neighbouring petty states, a give.a satisfactory answer to the question which had been short time.—Rev. John W. Maven, Ridlington Retioi
1 e officer
most cruel and wicked law was in force, which prevented 1
pini
.t :oat. he could not attempt to control gentlemen sitting Norfolk." Cure No. 1,784.—N0t expected to live six_
..w.
it was wrong in principle, and departed from the whole who had charge of her to command her py clothing were en board the st p - B 7 r • countrymen and allies in the Crimea were entitled to soinf-
y. (Hear, eamer mew u this . any persons front naarrying until they gave security for the s]. ta t. side of the house with regard to the point under longer, I was cured by Du Early's admirable Healthglil
l'ato relief. We desired peace ; but still we weal;
design of the Militia Bill which Parliament sanctioned hear.) When she arrived off the por - r°Per
tof Balaklava it h ld
e cou assure the noble lord, that if any such Immo( i
iscussion.
ould endeav support of the future famtly; the result was that not orte u storing Revalenta Arabica Food. Magdalen Purvis, geubie
three years ago. He thought the object of that Militia was well understood that she was taken in with snch statement was made, no statement more inoorrect not ask it—we w our to extort it. Mr SPOO
in eight of the labouring population were legally married, • NER could never give his consent to a men- Scotland. Cure No. 51,416.—" Fifty years' indescribaoo.
Bill was to create a defensive force for the country, velocity, and in so unsearnanlike manner, that she lost certainly was ever put forth, because ev •
ery ship Mr. atITJRROUGH knew not whether the sub'ect of thie
bill had been exhausted in the house but th' hj I'd kn and many questions of that kind would arise regarding sure which would render his fellow subjects liable to have agony from dyspepsia, nervousness, asthma, cough, cull
a fn.
which waa to consist of e
psrsons who, not adopting the two of her anchors. She was brought up in such a way og transport conveying stores, with the excel)* that the country was of opinion thae it hatisnc:l( let belew persons enlisted under the bill. He considered that these foreigners billited in their houses. pation, flatulency, spasms, sickness at the stomach an we,
rt l'f •
mi 1 ary ie as their rofession
P , , and intending to keep that she. ran her two cables out to a pinch, and thus .
tune of those t n men were entitled to their half pay, otherwise they would Lord J. RUSSELL said it hid already been st t d mitings, have been removed by Du Barry' xcellent F,°`";„.,
s e
hat carried the battering train, uffi • tly discussed. The noble lo dth 'P •1 Y f h
h d*
r e, resicent ot e a e more
—Marin
Iliad invariably carried out an s e'en dt • • be nothing but national assassins. (Hear.) What was an than once, that the Government had Jolly, Wortham, Ling, near Diss, Norfolk." L'ln.-
not tho smallest in• re
up te or inary avocations of civil life, were yet willing they parted. What followed and what was done by the assorted cargo. Thus, Council had threaten° oresign if this bill were not ed • tention of billetin No. 3,9o6.—Thirteen years' cough, indigestion, and e._,„,
to devote a certain con'
Pa" , ssassin bu a n hir to stab o
a. t perso ed r murder any one that _ g them. (Hear.)
ton of tl • • •
. e
a. -,..,
eel; .. I teir time in order to officer in charge of the port ? This ship was forced to or example, in the case of the very vessel whose nnfor- but, considering that the noble lord during the last two ses- you had a quarrel with? Not to give these men a retiring . ea.r. BANKES said the bill gave tOe power as it stood ral debility have been removed by Du Barry's excetrer,
acquw
.nen
fto defend the country in case of daeaer anchor outside with one anchor, robably her sheet an tunata loss they had had so much reason to de lore. sions had held out a similar threat, he thou ht but little
Food.—James P. Ater, Athol-street, Perth." uith
or emergencg o any kind. The Militia Bill of 1852 cher. It was not stated wheth Pb h d . -
er 3 e a one- or two The Prince carried out a regiment of soldiers it ci"e*re d weight was to be attached to it. The nobl gl
d t
; .. , ie. e Or was oo allowance was to set a premium on plunder. How were thr•
they to subsist in peace if they got no half pay; they could -".
ord J. RITSSELL—Let the right hon. tl • No. 81.—" Twenty. years' liver complaint, ,11 a
differed considerably from our former militia a h out besides a considerable '
quantity of ammunition ;it Korea po
te t a litician to go to a country upon A measure . notice of an amend gen eman give disorders of the stomach, bowels, and nerves, hve "e-
a .....
cts. anc ors, or an anchor at all. How is it she was not re-
tbe expected to save money out of their allowance H ment for the third reading. ,
There was a special prevision •
like this, and he, though a humble member, had no hesi- no - - * - MBA
introduced into it, that, ceived in the port of Balakl I carried out also a large amount of medical stores and
thought Government ought to put them on the same foot-
__, r• NKES could, not „eve ewe, e _wee wee ~,,, PerfectlY cured by Du Barry's Revalenta A rabies! -
even in times of war, the militia w ava, or, 1 necessary, why tation in recommending the house se
ill to reject this MP:, • . - - - - - - -
as not to be employed did not some of the men-of-war then; aunnlv her wire wann clothing. So far from all tho medical stores. how. __ ~ . ~ weeewee s_ -
except in cases of actual invasion er —ewes—.

Earl GRANVILLE said it was quite manifest that
in the matter of a blockade, involving in a great degree
the interests of trade, it would be most rash not to take
care to be strictly and verbally accurate in reference to
the answer to be given to any question on such a sub-
ject • and it was the delicacy of the matter that had in-
duced his noble friend not to give an off-band answer
which might possibly be inaccurate. With regard to
the blockade of the Baltic certainly some'portion of that
blockade was not enforced until lately. At certain
ports in the Baltic, and also at Archangel in particular,
there was a considerable quantity of merchandise the
property of British and French merchants, and therefore
it was necessary to postpone the blockade fer some tine.
Orders were sent out for a strict blockade of the Russian
ports of the Black Sea. Those orders were given to the
English and French admirals ; but some points of inter-
national law having arisen, they could not be at once
carried out, except at the entrance to the Black. Sea.
Communications were immediately entered into between
the two Governments, and the result was that fresh
orders were sent out for:an effectual blockade of that sea.
Then -cams the enormous enterprise—the conveying of
the troops to the Crimea, and during.that time materials
were entirely wanting to enforce the blockade. Since
that time stringent orders had been sent out to enforce
the blockade in the strictest possible manner, and to
harass the enemy in every possible way.
The Earl of DERE i---When was that order sent ?
Earl GRANVILLE said the last order was sent two
months ago, and the first was sent at the commencement
of the war. The noble earl had asked whether enor-
mous quantities of ammunition bad not been sent from
Odessa to the Crimea, and whether two Russian princes
had not also sailed from that port ? The only answer he
(Earl Granville) could give way, that four or five ships
had been constantly cruising in front of Odessa ; and it
appeared perfectly impossible to him that such ammuni-
tion could have left the port, and that the Russian
princes could have been sailing in the vicinity of it in
the way described by the noble earl. Further than that
be could not answer. With respect to the bill before
their lordships, the best plan °fall would be that of the
noble earl, namely, that while they were waging war in
the Crimea they should have perfectly well-trained troops
stationed at the garrisons in the Mediterranean ; but
the thing they had to do was that which was practical and
that which was possible. The noble earl had stated that
there had not been anything like an adequate reserve
kept up to reinforce the army in the Crimea. He
hardly wished now to argue the whole question of the
expedition to Sebastopol ; but he was not sure that it was
not better to have sent 50,000 men at once on such an
expedition than to have sent only 25,000, and to have
left 25,000 behind them. (Hear, hear.) With regard
to the garrisons in the Mediterranean, it would be
better, no doubt, to have perfectly well-trained men sta-
tioned there ; but at the present crisis it was not prac-
ticable, and he thought, both in a military and in an
administrative point of view, it was not desirable to gar-
rison our forts in the Mediterranean with perfectly raw
recruits. He thought the plan of recruiting from the
militia for the defence of those places was not a bail
one ; but there was not found that immense readiness
en the part of the men in the militia to volunteer for
that service, as was generally supposed. He thought
with respect to the general question that measures of
this sort were brought forth in great crisis, and he
thought our Parliamentary system, admirable as it was,
ought not to be stretched with the view of discovering
flaws in such measures.
Earl GREY said he did not think it required any
microscopic power to discover Elms in the bill before their
lordships. He objected to that bill because he thought
it was wrong in principle, and departed from the whole
design of the Militia Bill which Parliament sanctioned
three years ago. He thought the object of that Militia
Bill was to create a defensive force for the country,
which was to consist of persons who, not adopting the
military life as their profession, and intending tokeep
up the ordinary avocations of civil life, were yet willing
to devote a certain portion of their time in order to
acquire a fitness to defend the country in case of dae4er
or emergency of any kind. The Militia Bill of 1852
differed considerably from our former militia acts.
There was a special prevision introduced into it, that,
even in times of war, the militia was not to be employed
except in cases of actual invasion or rebellion. It was
not intended that the militia was to be a force con-
stantly and permanently embodied, as in the case of the
last war. Acting on that principle, men went into
the militia both as officers and privates, who would
not have entered into it if it had been thought
they would be taken from their usual civil pursuits.
Everybody knew that the rapid augmentation of the
army was an object of the greatest importance, and why
was not the standard lowered as soon as, or even be-
fore, the increase was voted' by the other House of Par.
liament ? It might be said that it was too late to look
back, and he admitted that they could not repair the
errors of a delay which was to him unaccountable ; but
admitting that, he contended that to adcpt this plan of
enoouraging militia regiments to volUnteer for foreign
service was to adopt an erroneous principle, and bad
policy for the conduct of the war. It would probably
Spoil the militia, fir the sake of measures which would
hums a less effect in accomplishing an increase of the
Army than others which might have been adopted. At
MU:1.41241es time, he agreed with the noble earl opposite
objet is not expedient to reject this measure. His
future, stating his objections was to check, for the
Perseverarnee in what seemed to him a most erro-
neous line
which the Gol,;: and not to refuse those powers for
on this principlerutZteapplied to Parliament. It was
in favour of ame had acted on a previous niht
aseueraivrxh;
andieh he certainly did not sider free from obj
on this principle, although
con-
strongly disapproving. of
vote against it. thiß• measure, he should not
Lord DEN MAN
was understood to
of ARGYLL said that it niistiletaodiveoitlutend_
as a proper appeal to the public s• . support the bill
pint and patriotism of
the country.
The Duke
that it we bad a le-rg:e stanindiilingtiaar regiments overnment
would never have asked the
but not having such a large
tees; even for garrison duty,
put it
, they had
standing army, or a numerous army of
andreserve
to remove troops from garrison duty,twerpeeirnfocromnsiet-.
(pence obliged to ask militianyrengliemaseunres to perform
There must be objections to a
in the power of militia regiments to. go bneyontddetd forhek the
dons, because such a force was mainly intended
defence of our own shores ; but he thouglit
theth coatthuerasee
objections had been greatly exaggerated in
' the discussion. There was a precedent for this

STATE OF THE HARBOUR OF BALAKLAVA..
The Earl of HARDWICKE had a second question to
put, respecting the port and road of Balaklava, that
most important position for the army in the Crimea, as
on the state and condition of that port depended the
means of feeding and relieving our forces. He had been
induced to take notice of the state and condition of the
port of Balaklava, in the first instance, in consequence
of the afflicting circumstances which followed the disas-
trous storm of the 14th November. It was unnecessary
for him to attempt to describe what had occurred. The
effects of that tremendous hurricane had been faithfully
reported. Among the losses during that storm there was
one ship the circumstances of which were peculiar, in con-
sequence of her having coming out from England contain.
ing almost everything that was necessary for the relief and
assistance of the army in the Crimea, and she had besides
money to a large amount. It was well known that that
ship perished. (Hear.) It would be presumptuous to say
that that ship could have been saved, but he could assert
that it washis conviction, if the regulations of the port of
Balaklava were such as ought to prevail in any such
port, that ship (the Prince) ought to have been saved.
It had been stated that that ship had not been com-
manded in the manner she ought to have been ; and he
knew from an officer that so ill had she been commanded
that his attention had been drawn to the fact ; the Go-
vernment was advised as to the inability of the officer
who had charge of her to command her properly. (Hear,
hear.) When she arrived off the port of Balaklava, it
was well understood that she was taken in with such
velocity, and in so unseamanlike manner, that she lost
two of her anchors. She was brought up in such a way
that she ran her two cables out to a pinch, and thus
they paited. What followed and what was done by the
officer in charge of the port ? This ship was forced to
anchor outside with one anchor, probably her sheet an-
chor. It was not stated whether she had one- or two
anchors, or an anchor at all. How is it she was not re-
ceived in the port of Balaklava, or, if necessary, why
did not some of the men-of-war there supply her with
anchors ! Why was a ship of that nature required to
take an offing ? The whole affair showed the grossest
want of seamanship on the part of the captain of the
unfortunate ship, and of neglect on the part of the
officers in authority over the harbour. He would read
an extract from a document which he did not think her
Majesty's Government would pooh-pooh ! So correct
had been the statements made by the reporters in the
Crimea and the Black Sea that he did not think her
Majesty's Government would say that it was merely a
newspaper report, or say that it was not true. If they
did, his purpose would be answered. The reporter,
writing on the 25th of November, from Balaklava,
says :—"Will it be credited that, with all our naval
officers in Balaklava with nothing else to do—with
our embarras des richesses of captains, commanders,
and lieutenants, there is no more care taken for
the vessels is Balaklava than if they were colliers in
a gale off Newcastle; Ships come in and anchor where
they like, do what they like, go out when they like,
and are permitted to perform whatever vagaries they
like, in accordance with the old rule of higgledy pig-
gledy, rough and tumble,' combined with happy-go-
lucky.' So much for the state of the port. It was
easy for an officer who understood his-business to have
provided for a different state of things there, and it was
most extraordinary that there was no responsible officer
sent by her Majesty's Government to that port, capable
of establishing and maintaining the ordinary regulations.
He did not say that the Government ought to be made
to answer for all the small details of such a port, but he
thought they should be made answerable for placing
such an officer in charge of it as would be fully compe-
tent for his duty and responsible for the due performance
of it. In addition to this, such was the state of the
port, that, long after this terrible disaster, there was a
collection of the debris of every sort of article knocking
about. The same reporter said :—" Indeed our cavalry
is at present employed in feeding itself. It is all they
have to do. The men are sent down with their horses
from the camp to the waterside every day, and carry
back their fodder and rations. It is perfectly disgrace-
ful to the authorities, whoever they may be, to see on
this, the twelfth day
after the gale, trusses of compressed
hay ousting about and rotting in every direction in the
00arid
, alo r_t while our horses are dying of sheer inanition.
neglect and indifference to the interests of '
the public service are chargeable somewhere or another

The Duke of NEWCASTLE had not seen the state-
ment to which the noble earl referred, and certainly was
not aware that any newspaper or individual had ever
stated that the whole of the medical stores and warm
clothing were en board the steamer Prince. But this
he could assure the noble lord, that if any such
statement was made, no statement more incorrect
certainly was ever put forth, because every ship
or transport conveying stores, with the excep-
tion of those that carried the battering train,
had invariably carried out an assorted cargo. Thus,
for example, in the case of the very vessel whose unfor-
tunata loss they had had so much reason to deplore.
The Prince carried out a regiment of soldiers ; it carried
out besides a considerable quantity of ammunition ; it
carried out also a large amount of medical stores and
warm clothing. So far from all the medical stores, how•
ever, having been placed on board that vessel, it was in
fact the fifth or sixth consignment of such stores which
had been sent ont, and it certainly was not the last.
Again, so far from all the warm clothing for the troops
having been placed in that ono ship, he rejoiced to say
that nothing could be further from the fact. The Prince
certainly carried out a considerable quantity of warm
clothing, which was lost; but since then various ships had
arrived out with warns clothing,and a great number of the
troops had obtained this comfort. The Jura arrived almost
immediatelyafter the loss of the Prince with aconsiderable
quantity of warm clothing on board, and he believed there
was hardly a ship which had left this country for the
Crimea during some time past which had not carried out
warm clothing of some description or another, and es-
special care had been taken never to send out in the
same ship the whole of the articles of one description,
so as to avoid the risk of losing them. Thus houses and
lodges for covering the troops had been sent out on
board several different ships. So far had this point been
attended to that there had arisen in consequence serious
difficulty. Perhaps noble lords were sometimes too
little inclined to make allowance fur the great difficulties
existing in these matters. He did not say that either the
Government or the subordinates and officers employed
by them abroad were without blame, but he said that
great allowance ought to be made for the difficulties ne-
cessarily attending this class of business. An assorted
cargo led to considerable embarrassments in the case of
such enormous ships as the Prince, unless the whole of
the cargo were embarkel at one port. In that case it
happened that the medical stores were put on board in the
river, and placed in the bottom of the hold ; the vessel
afterwards went to Woolwich for ammunition and ma-
chinery; then to Portsmouth for other stores ; and last
of all she took on board a regiment. It might, perhaps,
be possible in future to make arrangements by which all
stores of one description should be shipped at a par-
ticular port, thowgh at considerable expense and incon-
venience.

Mr. NEWDEGATE had heard much about the neces-
sity of this measure, and the able troops that we proposed
but not one word had yet been heard about
wtwor
forces were, or what their character was
eethey were well armed troops or not, or such as we
might
letnthe tagprhglace that confidence in them that the occasion
called for, and he warned them that Russia was, of all
Powers in the world, the best adept in raising discord and
mutiny amongst Powers opposed to her, if she obtained a
chance, and would not leave any art unpractised
to obtain such an end—(gm., hear)—and then he
would ask, what was to be our security that such a
band as we proposed to raise would be faithful to their
engagement? We had plenty of resources, not only at
home, but in our Indian possessions, that might in a very
few months be made available for any service in the
Crimea, and it was under these circumstances that he
should give his most strenuous opposition to the bill.
Mr. FRESHFIELD thought the British force in India
of against Russia, but he suggested that the whole
...
might be better employed, not in the Crimea, but in other
this bill had been exhausted. Technically there
was no objection to this bill, and after the debate of yes-
terday and the night before it was time the bill had got into
committee, now that its principle had been affirmed by the
subjectplaees
majority of the house. Continuing this debate might lead
to an adjournment beyond Tuesday next, which was
not desirable; and he therefore entreated the house to
cease talking and go to work on the bill in committee. He
supported the bill because he felt that our noble fellow-
Lcountrymen and allies in the Crimea were entitled to some
mediata relief. We desired peace ; but still we would
not ask it—we would endeavour to extort it.
Mr. MURROUGH knew not whether the subject of this
was of opinion that it had not yet been
bill had been exhausted in the house, but this he did know
oryseed. The noble lord the:President of the
Council eehtelayede dntutihereatened to resign if this bill were not passed;
but, considering that the noble lord during the last two ses-
sions had held out a similar threat, he thought but little
weight was to be attached to it. The noble lord was too
di4ereeta politician to go to a country upon a measure
like this, and he, though a humble member, had no hesi-
tation in recommending the house still to reject this mea-
sure, and turn its attention to reforming the recruiting of
our own army, which was based upon a system that was
radically bad.
Mr. DISRAELI—I am net going to detain the house
by offering any observations on the bill, upon which I
have already expressed my sentiments fully ; but, with
othfett
debate, as t permission,
lowillsay a word regarding the conduct
which I do not wish any mistake to
of expressing any wish on the part of
be prevalent. I believe the noble lord the leader of the
house, having already taken some part in the debate, has
not the opportunity
the Government that the house would proceed with the
cemtaittee • therefore, perhaps, he will excuse me if for a
moment I should take his pest out of his hands. Ido not
wish any hon. gentleman for a moment to believe that
there is any wish on this side of the house to throw any
unfair obstacle in the way of the progress of public busi-
ness, and if the noble lord will reflect for a moment on the
course of the discussion on this measure he will see that
there is not the slightest foundation for any such reflection
in the present case. The bill was read a first time on Mon-
day, when the house remained sitting for a long time
without business, but no gentleman on this side took any
advantage from that circumstance to propose any amend-
ment. In a private conversation with the noble lord, I
expressed my wish to do everything I could to facilitate
its being read a second time next day, and to have the di-
vision taken at an early hour. Every person must feel that
any imputation upon this side of the house, of having
thrown an obstacle in the way of public business,-is quite
unfounded. Considering that we entirely disapproved of
this measure, it was quite impossible that we could have
taken any other course than that which we ha re taken.
With regard to the debate yesterday, we must all recollect
that the noble lord, the leader of this house, never rose and
deprecated that debate. No doubt ho was influenced by
the feeling that, considering the suddenness with which
the whole subject had been brought before Parliament,
and the evident wish which had been shown on this side
of the house to facilitate the legitimate progress of busi-
ness, it was but fair that any gentleman who desired to ad-
dress the house on Wednesday morning should have an
opportunity of expressing his opinion upon this subject.
I do not suppose, in these circumstances,that the noble lord
thought that the discussion which took place yesterday
was an unauthorised discussion. (Hear.) Well, we vir-
tually have had two &lye debate upon the second reading
of this important measure, and I do not think that, in the
circumstances under which the house met, that was at all
an unreasonable arrangement. I think it would have been
disrespectful to our constituents if the debate had been
hurried. With regard to myself, I came down to the house
this evening prepared to go into committee, and to offer no
0-PPOsltiezt to the motion for that purpose, lam perfectly

ins ag our own countrymen, and give them half pay.
Mr. S. HERBERT reminded the hon. gentleman that
our own men were not entitled to half pay till after a cer.
tain number of years' service.

Mr. BANKES thought the question raised by the right
honourable member for Oxford was one of great import-
ance to the ratepayers of the country. In justice to the
men they should support their families, and he thought
the bill ought not to pass this committee until the point
was fully considered.
Mr. V. SMITH would suggest to the Secretary of War
that some very grave colonial questions were involved in
the proposed scheme of emigration.
Mr. BOOKER wished to know where these men were to
be located whether in the manufacturing or the rural dis-
tricts ; great anxiety existed on the point. In the former
acts there was a provision that they should not be quar-
tered at a greater distance than 5 miles from the sea coast.
Mr. S. KNOX asked if it was intended to send these
troops to the colonies to relieve the English regiments
there, anA also how they were to be officered ?
Mr. S. HERBERT said that there was no intention of
sending them to the colonies. As to the officers, in the
last war the German legion was wholly officered by Ger-
mans.

Lord J. RUSSELL—Let the right bon. gentleman give
notice of an amendment for the third reading.
Mr. BANKES could not; give such a notice, as he did
not approve of the bill.
After a few words from Mr. SPOONER;
The amendment was negatived without a division, and
clause 1 was agreed to.
Clauses 2,3, and 4 were then agreed to.
Upon Clause 5,
Mr. PACKS 'thought there ought to be some limit in
the time of the duration of this bill, so that the opinion of
the country might be taken upon it when its continuance
was to be provided for. He thought that it ought not to
be now passed for a longer period than until the end of the
next session of parliament ; this would bring it to about
August, 1853. He should, therefore, upon the third read-
ing,
of
propose to add these words " That this act shall
continue in force until the end of the next session
tpieoanc e s h
of ot
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ca.o provided
parliament, or until one year after a definite treaty- of
oraof
foreigners who shall have enlisted before -
the act shall
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clauseSo N wished
which
seemedto ask Avectruyeostbisocnurweliythtwiolootrnveruigtijeahchrihited.
It did not seam to prevent the employment of th:eis.reillGliinehgre-
man troops for any purpose in which the government
might think fit to use them.
LordJ. RUSSELL said it was theintention of his hon,
smwtahh.noolaicrirllihddllldesbelam.reewerakenmhdseeiitapcdniittignfhp,:itientewdroonboodrisuefueithrseievreervabttabSoidcioolpelnlsirrostcothliapetoeioeifnnysr
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and training the troops." olnac'gt.shelheoersvill:oeo—:f committee
and the housed esumed.

Mr. OTWAY suggested to the Secretary of War the
propriety of employing the officers on the half-pay list; a
large number of them were able and willing to serve.
Mr. GROGAN said that these Germans would not be
well received in the colonies. In Germany it was con-
sidered a disgrace to enlist for pay, and a stigma would
always attach to the men.
Mr. F. SCOTT thought that before the discussion pro-
ceeded the Secretary at 'War ought to answer some of the
important questions that had been put to him.
Mr. S. HERBERT would endeavour to give as much
information as possible. As to the officers, he had not in-
tended to express any decision as to English or German
officers ; he Lily quoted a precedent ; it was a question
which should be left to the discretion of the military au-
thorities. It was a mistake to suppose that there were a
large number of available officers on the half-pay list ; it
had Leen closely scrutinised when the army was augmented
some time since, and he believed that every officer fit for
active service was then employed. As to the location of
these troops he did not anticipate there would be any dif"
ficultyl in finding places in England to receive them for
the short time they would remain. As to the emigra-
tion he did not mean to convey that the Government I
had come to any conclusion on the subject ; he only stated
that it had been represented to him by persons conversant
with the German emigration that as a large number of
these people annually passed through this country, some of
them might be induced to serve for a limited period, pu

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The report of tho committee hereon was brought up.
THE ARMY IN THE EAST.
Sir G. HEA.THCOTE asked the Secretary at War when
the wooden houses for the troops in the Crimea might be
expected! to arrive, and whether any progress had yet been
made to provide huts or shelter from any resources derived
from the country itself ? The same as to winter clothing,
when it might be expected to arrive,
Mr. S. HERBERT would answer the questions in the
order they had been put. With regard to the wooden
houses, the Government caused some of them to be con-
structed immediately information had been received from
Lord Raglan that they would be required. The larger
portion of these were at sea, and as
far as Government
could hazard a guess, they were now about the Bosphorus.
The Government found that they could not obtain a suffi-
cient quantity of materials to hut the whole army here.
They had lost no time in sending order!: by telegraph to'
Lord Stratford to motto WI 111613 Y of tale 1100411417 141

On the 15th inst., William Granville Richards, Esq., to
to Frederica Anne, only daughter of the late Capt. Richd•
Dickinson, C. 8., R.N., and granddaughter of the late Ad-
miral Searle, C.B.
On the 16th inst., at St. Giles' Church, Camberwell, J.
M. Barclay, Esq., of Perth to Mary Apo Ross, third
daughter of Mr. James Ross, late of Upper Banchory.

The Earl of HARDWICKE would suggest to his
noble friend that in every port where stores were shipped
there should be placed some responsible officer to take
charge of the cargo, so that he might be thoroughly ac-
quainted with the articles composing it, and it might be
stowed under his own eye. This would be of the greatest
service both in the river Thames and the pt,incipal naval
ports, and would give every facility for conveying the