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THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 16, 1854.

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been written by ehaplain of the forces, and a minister of vertecl to such a purpose, though ho did not think that any
the Church of England. It appeared that Mr. Lawless had Government could long hold the reins of power if it made
not thought it inconsistent with his sacred duty, after such a use of the bill. He thought• that no such power
having officiated at the death-beds of those who had been should exist, and that the bill should be altered in accord-
engaged in the .war, to send home to his country details anco with the intentions of Parliament. To remedy this
which never should have been made public, and which had defect in the bill, he proposed to omit a portion of the first
been divulged in the newspapers—the names of the officers clause, and insert in the second clause such words as would
having been given at full length—thereby adding to the prevent such an interpretation being put upon. the bill.
poignant sorrow of their afflicted relatives. He thought He must expressly say, that so far from their being any
he was fully justified he stating his opinion of the conduct desire to quarter foreign troops in this country, and send
of that gentleman, and he was sure in that opinion he away our own, he could only assure the house that he for
would be supported by the majority of their lordships. ' one was convinced that theetate of the country was such
As to the result of the war with such an army and navy that they might part with every man, if necessary, with-
as we had at our command he could entertain no doubts ; out substituting any other force—(hear)—and that least
but he would appeal to. the noble lords who formed the of all was it necessary to seek for foreign troops to keep
Government, jf they needed the experience and the as- peace in this country. (Hear.) If he had had the slightest
sistanee of those who were opposed te them; not to hesi- ' suspiciOn that such an idea existed among any class of
tate to ask it, for it would be readily granted. 1 the community, he would not only have removed all
Lord GOUGH said that he could not but regard the cause for it yesterday, but would have taken care that the
question which was now before their lordships without a provision should have been then inserted which he now
considerable degree of interest, and he did not think he proposed. (Hear, hear.) He would state, for the benefit
would be quite justified in giving a silent vote on the mo- , of the public, that the sole object of the bill was to give
tion which was now before their lordships' house. He was power to brine foreign troops into this country, be-
proud to say that the position which he now held was at- cause, as he had before stated, it could not, of course,
tributable to the deeds of the army--(hear)—and, there- be expected that foreign troops would consent immediately
fore, he could not pass by a vote of thanks to the army now upon their being enlisted, to go to the seat of war, and
serving in the Crimea—an army a great portion of which 1 there engage with the enemies of this country. If he were
had assisted him in another sphere—(cheers)—without cor- asked why the number to be quartered in this country was
dially joining in that expression of thanks which their limited to 15,000 he would answer that 16,000 being the
lordships were now about to pass. He fully concurred in their number authorised by the Act of 1805, Government thought
lordships' approbation of that gallant man who now that upon due consideration of the question, as theremight
happily held the command of the army, and also of the be circumstances of difficulty, especially at first, in con-
army which was under his control. With the sister ser- Toying the troops to the seat of war, in the absence of suffi-
vice he had been often associated, and, therefore, he cor- cient steam power, &c., this number would be required;
dially concurred in the vote of thanks to the navy. Hay- but, at the same time, hey would have no objection to in-
ing been also, when abroad, associated with the officers of sert 10,000 in t:;° bill in the place of 15,000. He did not
the French army, he would most cordially join in the vote make that as a concession to the noble lord, but as an ex-
of thanks to the distinguished individual who commanded • planation of what were the original intentions of the Go-
that army, and to the noble army which he so well coin- von:anent. The first and second clauses of the bill would
manCled do
COLCHESTER would suggest to their lordships be amended accordingly.
Lord
that it would be well befitting this country if Parliament The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that he had ob-
gave utterance to an expression of condolence with the re- jetted to the bill, in giving to the Crown what he believed
latives of those who had nobly fallen in battle • and he to be an unconstitutional power, but he thought that there
trusted some public, monument would be raised to the could not be a stronger proof of the careless manner in
memory of those who had so bravely sacrificed their lives which her Majesty's Ministers considered great measures
in the service of their country. affecting the military strength of this kingdom than the
The motion was then put and agreed to.
quTeshteioMn,aorcifuwishioefh CheLhAaNdßglivCeAußnDotEie,e in
to their r e put statement now made that it was a matter of indifference
THE AUSTRIAN TREATY. to the Government whether the number inserted in the bill
was 10,00) or 15,000—the numborof troops in this country
—bearing, of course, the usual proportion of one-fourth to
said ho was fully aware that the treaty which had been the number engaged abroad, and making, therefore, a dif-
ference of 20,000 troops who would be so engaged. He
irising
g lordships, t
entered into with Austria would undoubtedly hot be laid thought that the fair and proper course for the noble duke
before their lordships until it had been ratified. That to pursue, seeing the important alterations that he pro-
would doubtless be the answer of the Government, but he
wished to know how soon it was likely it would be laid on posed to make, was to withdraw the present bill altogether
the table ? Their lordships would admit that he was jus- I and lay upon the table an amended bill, which they could
take into consideration on Monday. If the noble duke could
tified in asking this question; considering that the subject
not acquiesce in that, which seemed to him so reasonable
was undoubtedly one of great importance, and that they
and parliamentary, where only a day would be lost, there
had been led to anticipate great advantages from it. Some
being so material an alteration proposed in a bill which was
information as to the nature of this treaty had already
assumed to have had due deliberation, it was impossible for
been given to the public by a leading Minister of the
him to du otherwise than he had expressed his intention of
Crown, but from what ho knew he apprehended that
doing. He had fully considered the reasons which he had
while Austria would repeat her assurances of a full
previously expressed against the bill, and he could only say
concurrence of opinion and of sympathy with the
that furtherconsideration had confirmed the opinion which
Allies, it would be found that she would not take
he before entertained, that its principle was bad, and that
one step in the prosecution of the war that, in
no proof of its necessity had been given (hear, hear) ; and
point of fact, they would only receive from Austria
in the absence of such proof he thought it most proper to
that same moral support which she had long ago
adhere to constitutional principles. (Hear.) He rejoiced
offered. Such, he believed, would be the effect of
that a noble earl had noticed an expression which fell from
the treaty ; but, at the same time, he would admit
the noble duke as to the conduct of those on that side of
that Austria having once signed such a treaty, it would
the house, and imputing
oppos g
to them, by the observations which
make it more impossible for her to take any retrograde
step, or decline, if it were necessary, to engage in hostili-
he had made, a want of the measure.
p atriotism in in
ties on the side of the Allies. • If the treaty were of the (Hear, hear.) His memory carried him back to thedast
w
character which ho expected it was, he was sure that Par- war, and he could well recollect that at the beginning of
liament and the country would require to go into an ex- the present century, the measures of the Government for
the defence of this country were canvassed by all parties
amitation of all they had borne and forborne in the hopes
of securing such an alliance ; and if steps were not taken with the utmost freedom in Parliament. All classes were
by Austria in respect to this war, by the assembling of the then, no doubt, in fear of a foreign invasion, but still the
house after Christmas, he thought that the diplomatic late Lord Grey, Mr. Wyndham, the Earl Granville, and all
t
negotiations on the part of Austria with the Court of the first men of the day, showed no forbearance to the
Russia, in reference to the Principalities, must form the Crown in discussing the measures which were proposed—
subject of rigid scrutiny. It was perfectly clear that much
and pressing upon the house, in Parliamentary language,
of our losses in the Crimea was attributable to the course their views of the several measures of ,the successive Go-
which Austria had adopted—(hear, hear)—and if Austria vernments. (Hear.) As a humble individual, and at a
d
still held back, this couatry had an account with her which great distance, he it te ided to follow in their steps, an
must be settled one way or the other. It was said that he was not prepared to allow any inroad upon the eon-
we were not to have either a Polish or a Hungarian legion ; stitutional principles of this country. (Hoar.) But
noble lords who had expressed their determination to sup-
and he was quite sure that this country would do all is
her power to cement the union with Austria, so that she
port the war were to be considered consistent if they re•
kept good faith with her. (Hear.) He would ask, by the fused absolute confidence to her Majesty's Ministers with
re-assembling of Parliament, to have all these transactionrespect to the measures they might bring forward on their
laid before their lordships ; and with that view he would responsibility for the conduct of the war. (Hear.) Between
put this question—when it was likely that the treaty supporting the war and supporting the Ministers there was
which had been lately concluded by the Allied Powers and one of the greatest difficulties that could exist between any
two things. (Hear.) He (Lord Ellenborough) was one of
Austria might be produced ; and whether her Majesty's
Government would object to lay before Parliament, copies the oldest supporters of this war. Ho supported it long
or extracts of the correspondence of the diplomatic or con-
before /the noble lord at the head of the Government.
sular agents in Turkey, descriptive 'of, or relating to, the He mentioned, in April, 1853, that ho was confident
politica and military occurrences which had taken place this war was coming on ; that he was sure the Emperor
in the Danubian Principalities since the occupation of
of Russia never would depart from the position he had
those Principalities by an Austrian force? taken when he sent Prince Menschikoff to Constantinople
The Earl of CLARENDON—My noble friend said that to enforce his demands. In the course of the session of
he anticipated the answer that I should be obliged to give the bill for altering the Govern-
am glad to say that I shall be able to give him a more'
1853, ho earnestly entreated their lordships to allow no
lug with
him with respect to the first portion of his question, but I delay in proceed
meat of India, on the special ground that there was danger
satisfactory answer than he expected, having received threatening us in the East, and that we should set our
intelligence this afternoon from Vienna that the treaty house in order. (Hear.) There was a provision in that
was ratified yesterday. I now hold the treaty in my hand,
bill for enabling the Government of India to add three re-
and will lay it upon your lordships' table, and I think it gi—
ments to their forces, but so urgent did he (Lord Ellen-
will be unnecessary therefore, as it will be in your hands
borough) see the necessity of strengthening our hands every-
to-morrow, to go into any discussion upon that treaty.
where, that he actually laid a bill upon the table contain-
With respect to the papers to which my noble friend has ins those clauses, entreating their lordships to pass it; that
alluded, I am sorry to say that since he gave notice of his was in June or July, 1853 ; but his noble friend at the
motion last night I have not been able to look through head of the Government thought three months did not sig-
the papers, in order to determine how many shall be
nify, and his proposition was rejected. He (Lord Ellen-
produced. I can only assure him that the Government is borough) went much further. He went to the utmost
l
perfectly ready to give all the informatian it can as to limits of Parliamentary privilege. He asked the house at
what was done with respect to the occupation of the Prin- tho.end of that session to delay a bill for the repeal of a
cipalities. I am only desirous that everything should bo tax—(hear)—by which they could indicate to foreign
laid before your lordships. Bat I think you
will admit powers their intention to adhere to the course they had
that at the present moment there may bo some icolv. adopted, and atop Russia in her ambitious design. From
once in laying the whole of those papers before you, but the very beginning of last session, ho fatigued their lord-
can assure you that during the recess such of them shall ships by constant references to that subject. He entreated
be selected and laid before you as will give you full infor-
them to make the country strong everywhere, in the naval
motion, and convince you that the Government has done
as well as the military service; and the Government now
e to the house to ask the house to pass this bill, inter-
everything that lay in its power to do. During the con-
e cam
ring with a constitutional principle, because they adopted
eluding clays of the last session of Parliament, in address-
f
ins you upon this subject, I said that the course which no course, and in consequence of their own rejection of the
advice offered them. (Hear.) He (Lord Ellenborough)
the dignity, the honour, and the interests of
Austria said more. He said, "Be secret; secrecy is one of the
pointed out was clear, and that I saw no reason to doubt
andt r
ih abtuttthhi
bastions
eshatsw courseasb ne
reasonpouredwouldb e adopted.itnotoantthi
ea i
ApLauatsretgreei
ai voluntary leEur nx tte ahhraeycit con-uheer
r great foundations of success in war." (Hear, hear.) But
the objects of the expedition to Bomarsund and the Crimea,'
to
oh
aodypeepnobyr opportunities
ui tuti
see:
dwmot
ouu Iscati for weeks before were made known to the public in the
blelanosst.woluhldatnotthobeseumseeda,nosr
mthiagthth newspapers, and information of the most valuable kind
was given to the enemy, and given through the newspapers
by Ministers. (Cries of " Oh l" and " Hear.") He was
greater exteit I am not prepared
not speaking of any particular newspaper ; he was speak•
nhssaoterAsau
ient ou:cc:a
regard
etwmr
idwLhaaaotaknorstedtwowhßabaaret moment,ngealal
Government,i
expectedntwras
oit tmdl
n
say that that can be no cause of reproach to her Majesty's
Government, because you must be -well aware that it is lug of a Cabinet. (Hear, hear.) It was a Cabinet secret,
out of the power of the Government to dictate to a great, and in some way or other it became public to the great in-
jury of the public service. (Hear.) By timely prepara-
tions they might accomplish any object ; but that was
ni
ydi
ae
powerfulrnpaoegiebnt
ih noble
erenvoefnunrateittreoimoennry,
the
Powerhtlaioesk getcon
Hess, likeßra
dirwmudiAustria,
aain
tap,
hea:,hsplsneoi
neglected ; no timely preparations were made, and
Ina and
must
that
decline
eenow they were again asked, by a humiliating
from Austria, I must beg to say that, at the time of the confession of their weakness, to pass this measure. That
was the support he had given throughout in this war. He
Methxaprreesil al de St. Arnaud to concert together as trin carryingn had told them it was a statesman's war—afar-seeing war—
e war in its objects popular at first ; but that, unless they
thatria. theyT txhe
had a constant succession of success, the objects of the
The Austrian Government,exe-
him that they had already meditated an they
informedpedtion war were so thoroughly statesmanlike, it would be ex-
tremely difficult to retain the support of the people. (Hear.)
on operations in the Principalities,
They had that support now ; but when he looked to the
losses we had sustained, and the ignorance of Ministers,
fully admitting of course our right to undertakeanye-
pedition we thought proper, without previous concert and their rejection of th. at advice which had led to those
againstdition pSroepboassetdePbnyL Aanudst
with them, said that they would no longer expect the con- he did not look
losses, be confessed forward with much
confidence to a long retention of the popularity of the war;
sent of France and England to such proposede editionßut not then being in a state to figt Russiaxpsingle-' and which the measure now proposed was so well calcu-
handed, the Austrian Government then deter •
to lated to destroy. (Hear.) Now, as for confidence in
augment their forces, and hy withdrawine NenedMinisters, he never professed any confidence in Minisers,
corps he never professed any confidence in them as a wart Go-
d'arniee from Italy, they occupied such a position as vernment. Ho had stated reasons for a contrary opinion.
com-
pelled the Russians, from strategical tnotives -to evacuate. He admitted their great civil abilities ; he admitted it
the Principales. I should wish to remove'
preheneions which have existed upon this subject,sememainslPl was very probable that upon most subjects of civil govern-
ment he might see reason to acquiesce with them ; but
think it right, on the present occasion, to stat what th
Government really did_ do at the time alluded to by thee he did think that their constantly looking to the pros-
nobleperity anti improvement of dhe country was, to a certain
lord, namely, on the 14th or 15th of August, before
the Austrian troops entered the PrincipalitiesTh extent, the way to prevent them attending to the
Con- getio progress of the war, which would naturally very
ener-
vention was steeled with the Porte at the end 'of May much depreciate that prosperity and improvement; and,
beginning of June, at the time when the siege of S•list or
1 ma without any disrespect to the noble earl at the head of the
was being conductd with groat vigour, and le .
doubtful, and there was no probability of the Turksissue
was
Government, he said it was not extremely likely that he
being would do a thing well which he so thoroughly hated.
able to cress th 3 D.. nabs. The treaty Was •
14th ; the siege of Silistria was raised on Jilegigtlhon the (Hear, and a laugh.) He (Lord Ellenborough) admitted
the Ministers wore very clever, and that they all possessed
consequently, in August, we saw that eircumstance;s thea '
woo
altogether changed ; that the Turks had crossed the abilities far above mediocrity, though very few of them
possessed the great abilities we had seen in former times ;
Danube ; that they had occupied Bucharest; lied we then they had all, with one exception, a most extraordinary
considered that Austria would have no right, underthe
convention, to put any restraint upon the course ili tiie talent for making good speeches of extraordinary length—
Turksas much or more so than any Ministry the country
might pursue, and that if any such requisitionw
made, the Government would not recommend were ever po sessed. (Great laughter.) The only person not
the Turks
to accede it. We wrote to Lord Stratford possessed with that extraordinary faculty was his noble
tinople, that the Government did not wish at Constan- friend at the head of the Government—(laughter)—if
of the Turkish territory to be occu pied b
,:e an
any foreign y portion he did possess that faculty, in mercy to the house he
spared it—(increased laughter)—and in that respect, if
of
force, except by the free will and consentthe Sultan, not in any other, he was the ablest Minister that ever
and that we should consider that it was for the Sultan to appeared on these benches. But there was great
determine whether it would be useful for Austrian
to enter the Principalities, and that we
should
troops public mischief in that very equality of ability which per-
eider it useful except with the concurrence of ttheeolts e°ll-
vatted Ministers—it was the absence of any great corn-
orte,
,manding ability, and the presence of so many very nearly
the Turks, and the Allies, and that all arrangements should equal persons in the same Cabinet, which he was convinced
be made with their consent. We received -fr the Aus- impeded rather than facilitated the transaction of public
trian Government the fullest assurance that no
sive occupation was intended, and that no difficulty satin- affairs; and he believed also that as what was called the
should be put in the way of the Turks in their ballot was an open question with Ministers, he should
of the Russians into whatever part they pleased,
(strongly recommend them to introduce it for their own
their crossing into Bessarabia ; and also, that all arrange- in
internal arrangement (a laugh)—to enable them to
manta for entering into Wallachia should be in
conncgeret-
strengthen their own position. He spoke with no personal
with Omer Pasha, and by his consent. Still great corn animosity towards Ministers, but as an experiment ho be-
plaints arose, and hindrances were put in the way of Omer- lioved if one-third of their number was swept away it
Pasha—(hear, hear)—and upon that the strongest remon- would not signify one rush, and the remaining two-thirds
st
rances were made by the French and English Govern- would be quite enough for the business of the country.
itilients and by the Porte ; and I am bound to say this that (Laughter.) Now he would take leave to say that in those
leelyit.weg met
in a proper spirit by the Austrian Govern- distant times when they had great statesmen,.they condes-
ost of the hindrances thus put in the way were tended to assign reasons for their important measures;
notm
formedknown to the Austrian Government ; and we were in. and when they produced measures for the national defence,
that the Austrian representative at Constantinople
they went, he remembered, into the most elaborate details
ami
acting
time. Austrian generals in the Principalities were not as to the strength of the army, even of each corps ; the
to them in accordance, with their directions, but contrary success of the recruiting, and every fact known to them-
b themk and orders in accordance with what was desired selves they made known to Parliament. (Hear.) The
French and English Minister were sent by the Em- noble duke gave them no information. If they looked to
peror.y There may have been faults on both sides, for the the newspapers—and they now got more accurate informa-
Austria
Ines
inn generals were occupying certain towns and vii- tion from them than formerly—they were told of the
ex-
a country where the difficulties of subsistence traordinary success of the recruiting. If that was true,
were
them great ; and. they did not therefore . choose to leave so far from its being a reason in favour of this bill, it was
not au. trod • e
assigned motives and reasons which they were a reason against it. But he said—and he said it from the
P h authorised to do; while, on the other hand, Omar experience of past times —that by far the most efficient
as ha does not appear to have had any very distinctmode of strengthening the army by recruits was to main-
of operations, plan tain at all times si militia full up as to complement and
, and the commissioner was not a man to smooth a '
been
ses.7a3' the difficulties. But these complaints having popular in the country. (Hear.) He said, " Strengthen
'"'"°, Count Buol, to give proof of the sincerity the militia • do everything you can by every means to
the Austrian of
increase it 'to the full complement ; make it the foun-
should beGovernment, himself proposed that those
a. mixed commission at Vienna, and that it
should
consistof le • dation of your military system." By doing that, they
would be able to maintain the national honour and the
himself and the French, English, and
Turkish national interests by the national arms, and they would
of Omerrepresentatives, who should receive the complaints
settle all Pasha, and should have the power summarily to not have to go begging at the ante-chamber of every
omatters in dispute. Her Majesty's Government petty prince on the Continent for soldiers. (Hear,
consented
.„ . t such a commission, and that commission is hear.) Who were those foreigners to be? They were told
now sitting. One it would be indecorous to mention the names of any parties
ne or two questions have been referred to . it, and I mustuntil the bill was passed, and that no communications
tory. I hope, say that the decisions have been satisfac-
would be made to foreign Governments lilt then. But, he
will
arise. I stn therefore, that no more cause for complaint
would ask, was there any understanding, or was there not?
to which I hanot aware that there is any other matter
leave occi ion to refer. or were they going to take this leap iu the dark ? The noble
THE ENLISTMENTduke had taken one leap in the dark already, but it would
OF FOREIGNERS' BILL
The Duke • be better not to teke two. Neither he (Lord Ellenborough)
of NEWCASTLE in rising
house ' , to move that the nor ally one else could object to the passage through this
fgo Into committee upon this bill said he
,had heard country of a German force; h 3 could imagine it just pos-
rem Several quarters that there
ine out
b of doors, foundedupon was an impression exist- Bible that the King of Hanover might, as a sovereign prince,
of Derby) what the noble earl (Earl join with the allies, though he might be unable to give
who commenced the •
stated to be the opposition yesterday, had much assistance with his forces; he should not of to
intention of the Government, namely that place under Lord Raglan 5,003 or 6,000 of those magnifi-
it intended that the militia and the British troops gene- cent troops which, he admitted, had beeu faithful to us in
rally s , hould be removed f • this
from country for foreign sor- former wars. Under those circumstances, for a short time
vice, and that their
object in asking for power to enlist no one could object to their being in this country ; but
foreign troopsobliged to
so removed Ras to supply the p!ace of the Enelishforces they were not told to expect that; they were
There was no member of that house who infer that those men who would be in this country would
whatever 6 right be his impression as to what • ht be done be persons in princes, and
might
under the illcourse of our con-
the Govecould believe thatsuch ,
y in
suppose those soldiers ment ; and he could only say, he must readily niving at their desertion. But duke put them ?
and at price allow that, though there was a le'll of brow ht h ssi i 1 y g hero where would the noble . .
such afi event, it would be the duty of Parliament Thep to pre- ey were told last night there was that objection to em-
vent it should any future Governmentnight there attempt so uncon- bodying the militia. They were told last
atitutiona . 1 a course. Bat looking to the bill, he was ready no barracks for the ilia Were those foreigners to oc-
to admit that it - cupy our barracks, orlu lwiere.they to bo billeted ? The noble

duke must know that was not to be borne. If there were prosecution of a war of this consequence anal magnitude, I
not barracks for those men, it would be ittr sibla to keep Itcl.l that very great latitude is to be given to the Govern-
them in this country, unless, indeed, he ahead place them
Butbegged •
ten-
under canvas. (Hear.) he leave to ask, if meat, and that support should, as far as possible, bo
engaged in her Majesty' those men were to be s service, tiered to them consistent with the constitutional principle,
why wore they to come here at all ? This was not the and oven at some sacrifice of private opinions. But, in the
short way to the Crimea. (Hear, and a laugh.) Round discussion this evening, the very powerful speech made by
by London and the Bay of Biscay, was that the way for l my noble friend (Lord Ellenborough)— a speech delivered
those aspirants for martial honours and English pay ? with more than all his usual eloquence, ability, and power
(hear, and laughter)—was that the way to the Criniea? —has completely disposed of this part of this question,
No doubt, when France was in possession of Italy, and and it has never been attempted to bo grappled with by
Austria wanted all her subjects, and half Germany was any member of the Government who followed him. The
against us, no doubt then it was necessary for such I noble lord the Under Secretary for the Foreign Depart-
forces to pass through this country. But that was meat took exception to the manner in which my noble
not the case now ; their shortest way was by Trieste; I and gallant friend characterised the arguments which wore
their best piece would be the lonian Isles. There at once made use of. Now, without meaning to say anything per-
they could act the part of a garrison; there they could look sonally disrespectful to the noble lord opposite, I must en-
after those worthy Greeks—(a laugh)—that noble people— tirely concur with my noble friend, that the argument on
(laughter)—of whom theyhad read so much in classic story. which he rested his plea—the plea of necessity that was
But that was the place to form a depot, and a depot became put forward in such piteous tones to the House of Lords,
the reserve of the army. (Hear.) Take your foreigners for the purpose of inducing it to adopt a measure, bad and
there if you choose, but don't take them through England; unconstitutional in itself, was a plea degrading to the Go-
send them to Trieste, thence to the lonian Isles. there you vernment that brings it forward, and humiliating to the
will have them ready, and no one will object. (Hear.) Ho country to have to accept. (Hear, hear.) And, my lords,
(Lord Ellenborough) believed that the more facilities Par- that plea of necessity—of so-called necessity—is not proved
liament gave to the Government for tho formation of fo- on the part of the Government. That plea is the only one
reign regiments, the less trouble Government would take to on which, contrary to his opinion, contrary to his judg-
engage home regiments. (Hear.) The whole question was, meat, my noble friend the noble marquis gives the Go-
raise your bounty and lower your standard. (Hear.) But vernment his vote on this occasion, while he supports all
if they followed the principles of political economy, they the views and opinions of my noble friend near me. I
would go to the market where they could get the cheapest hope after what has passed, after the alterations which the
article. Do that, and they would have expelled English- Government consented at once to introduce the moment
men from their army and substituted foreigners; for it ap- they heard a feeling was excited out of doors by the bill—
peered to him of all the measures he remembered under alterations which they ought not to have been ready to
any Government this was the most unjust, the most inju- make if they had properly considered abill of this momen-
rious towards a generous and confiding people. (Cries of tons character—a bill brought forward on the plea of ne-
" Hear, hear.") cessity, and though objectionable, the only remedy for the
Lord BERNERS considered the house had not heard difficulties in which the Government is placed. When a
any argument why this measure should be adopted, and bill is brought forward of such a character, and under
he believed it would repress, instead of encourage, British such circumstances, the Government should be prepared
spirit and enthusiasm. At the same time, he protested to vindicate and adhere to every syllable of the bill, if it
against the assumption that any peer on that side of the had been properly considered, but the bill has not been
house, if he ventured to dissent from any measure proposed well considered, because they do not seem to care whether
by the Government, was actuated either by factious mo- the number of troops is 10,000 or 15,000, because they
tives or was inconsistent. happen not to have calculated the effect of the bill ; and
Lord WODEHOUSE said the argument used by noble on the very first moment of a cry out of doors, they
lords on his (the Ministerial) side of the house was, not that are ready to modify and alter it, and I admit to the noble
measures proposed by the Government should not be dis- duke, in a way greatly to improve the measure—l hope, I
cussed, but that it was hoped that noble lords opposite, say, that these alterations, this submission to opinion out
considering the great difficulties which must be met by of doors will, at all events, exonerate myself and my noble
any Government carrying on a great war, would approach friends from any charge of faction which can be brought
those measures with a desire to discuss them calmly, and against us. (Ironical cheers from the Duke of Newcastle.)
not make them a handle for appealing to the passions of The noble duke cheers in a very extraordinary manner, but
the people, and thereby embarrassing the Government. I ask him whether he does not consider it a matter of for-
He hoped the house would be disposed to take a favourable bearance when, on a question involving the deepest inte-
view of the measure, as these foreigners would be brought rests of the country and great constitutional principles, we
into the country solely for the purpose of training, and are satisfied that Government should call Parliament to-
they would almost immediately afterwards be sent out to ;ether and discuss that measure not 10 days before the
the seat of war. He trusted their lordships would only necessary breaking up of Parliament; and in consequence
look to the present necessities of the war, and that they of the limited space of time which is allowed for the dia.
would not think it expedient to reject, but, on the con- cussion of public business, we not only permit them to
teary, to assent to the bill. (Hear, hear.) introduce that measure to which we greatly object, and
The Earl of HARDWICKE said the speech of the noble read it a second time without opposition or discussion, and
lord who had just sat down was one of the most depress- almost without having it printed, but we allow them to
ing character to the feelings of the people of this country. proceed from that most important stage of the bill and go
Thenoble lord had stated that the Government were going to the next stage on the following day? I ask, when a
to raise a foreign legion from the necessity of the case, that bill of this consequence, upon which there is a material
they were obliged to have recourse to this expedient. The difference which the Government itself is obliged to admit
expressions which the noble lord had used were of a most —is permitted to pass through the house with so little
formidable character, and would go to raise the hopes of consideration on the part of the house, have we not an
the Emperor of Russia and depress the feelings, the spirit, answer ready to the taunting cheer of the noble duke op..
and the courage of the people of this country. The ex- posite with regard to the forbearance that has been shown?
pressions were the most cringing and degrading ho had I say, if this bill bo justified on the plea of necessity, that
ever heard uttered in a British house of Parliament. is a necessity for which the Government ought to be respon-
Lord WODEHOUSE rose to order. The words he had sible. The noble lord the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lan-
used did not deserve such strong observations from any caster, in reply to an observation which fell from my noble
noble lord, however much he might object to them. It Mention the reduction of our military establishment in a
was clear it was necessary to have recourse to a foreign time of peace, thought it necessary to advert to the little
legion, because they could not raise sufficient troops to progress which was made during the short time my noble
meet the necessity of the case. If they could have raised friend and myself held office, in raising that establishment.
enough of their own men, Government would not have My lords, during the 10 months—for that was the extent,
introduced the bill. All that his observations implied as my noble friend opposite well knows—during which we
was, that as former Governments had so reduced the held office, I venture to say, though Iby no means am
strength of the army in times of peace, the present Govern- satisfied we did everything that was required toward the
ment, in an emergency, found it necessary to resort to the increase of our military and naval establishments, yet a
expedient of raising a foreign legion. He (Lord Wode- greater increase was made in the number, amount, and
house) repudiated altogether the strong expressions used efficiency of both the military and the naval departments
by the noble earl, and he denied that his words were such of the country than was made in the 10 or -12 years pre-
that any British peer ought to be ashamed to use them. 'iously. It was not only that we added 5,000 men to the
(Loud cries of "Hear, hear," and cheers.) ermy and only 2,000 to the navy, but I should like to
The Earl of HARDWICKE assured their lordships that know what the Government would have done at this mo-
he should adhere to the expressions which he had used. He meat if, in 1852, we had not raised, established, and or-
would not retract a word, as his opinion was that the senti- ganised the militia in spite of much opposition. (Hear.)
meats of the noble lord would convey feelings of degrade- It is very well for the noble lord now to laud the militia,
tion to the minds of the people of this country, while they and speak of it as an invaluable corps, but did we meet with
would convey to the Emperor of Russia feelings of hope. no opposition in our attempts to establish it? (Hear.)
The noble lord must know that, in making use of these What predictions of failure—what necessity of having re-
observations, he (Earl of Hardwicke) had used them in a course to the ballot—what unwarlike spirit on the part of
strict sense, and as a member of the British Legislature. the country—what impossibility of carrying out thevolun-
The idea conveyed to his mind by the noble lord's speech tart' system in 1852. (Hear, hear.) We have triumphed
was a degrading one—it was that the people of England over the opposition in the house ;we found no opposition
were reduced to the necessity of being compelled to raise out of doors ; and when we raised the militia to an amount
a foreiga legion. No British statesman ought so to have beyond which it has not been permitted to go since, we
expressed himself. (Hear, hear.) are told now, forsooth, that we did nothing in 1852 to-
Lord. WODEHOUSE again rose to order, and complained wards remedying the deficiencies of the peace establish-
of the noble earl having misinterpreted his observations. meat. Is that all ? I think, if the noble duke is still of
The Earl of HARDWICKE said he should not make the same opinion he should consult the noble lord the com-
any apology, as he had not used words in any sense other mender of the forces • and if he does, I will thank him to
than that which he was privileged to do as a member of inquire what was the state of the artillery guns and the
their lordships' house. The arguments in favour of the gun-carriages, and what were the means of carrying on a
bill were, that during a long peace the army had been war, if a war came to us within the course of 12 months
much reduced, and now that the Government were sud- after our taking office in 1852, and also where the present
denly called upon to go to war, they had not the means of Government would at this moment be if no provision had
carrying it on without foreign soldiers. He would ask, been made for guns and gun carriages in that year? I will'
which was the party in that house who called upon the go further, and ask the noble duke to go to his own First
Legislature to reduce the forces. Where sprang that feel- Lord of the Admiralty, and ask him what he thinks of the
ing ? Why, in the largo manufacturing towns and the introduction during those 10 months of no less than nine
principal seats of commerce in the kingdom, backed by the new screw line-of-battle ships ? (Hear.) I ask, where
noble lords and the right hon. gentlemen now forming her would the navy be if it were not for the exertions of my
Majesty's Government. Ho objected to the employment noble and gallant friend the Duke of Northumberland,
of foreign troops, because he conceived that, as one of the to whom justice has never been yet done ? (Cheers.) I
most important features of war was that the taxes which would wish him to put these questions, not on my own
were raised were taken from the pockets of the rich and part, but on that of my noble and gallant colleague. I say
put into the pockets of the poor, they should be paid to, that within those 10 months more has been done to
and go to, the support and assistance of their own people, strengthen the army and navy in a time of peace, and for
and not be paid to foreign mercenaries. There could be securing proficiency in case of war, for the administration
nothing more detrimental to the spirit of the people than of the military and naval establishments and providing
the proposition before their lordships. The bill would an increase of naval stores, than was d
one'in any previous
depress the feeling existing in the army, and it would years, or even done since
until there came the immediate
interfere with the recruiting now going on for the and unparalleled pressure' of war. Now we are told this
militia. He felt confident that there would be no is a case of necessity, and that war came on us all of a sud-
difficulty in raising sufficient troops. The state- den, I say that war did not come suddenly upon any one
!Rents were made general as to the enthusiasm of the except her Majesty's Ministers. (A laugh.) The whole
• people to meet the exigencies of the war. (Hear, hear.) world expected a war for the last two years—for the last
He could understand that it might be necessary to raise 18 months at all events; and during these months you
troops from what had been called the depressed natiouali- ought not only to have been making incessant preparation
ties, and he could perfectly well conceive that a bill would and levying forces, but by every means you ought to have
be necessary for that purpose ; but he fully believed that augmented the regular army and militia so as to relieve
the people of England were not disposed to carry on the war yourself from this degrading necessity, asl contend it 'is,
at that rate. He was firmly convinced that the power of of coming to Parliament before the first year is well over,
this country, the readiness of the people to support the Go- and saying you. leave not got men to carry on the war with-
vernment, and the great resources of the country, if pro- oat the introduction of German troops. lam not going
perly operated upon, would be perfectly sufficient to bring through the argument as to the means you have of raising
the war to an honourable and triumphant conclusion. these German troops—from what quarter you are likely to
Earl GRANVILLE said that the noble earl felt great derive them; whether with the consent, or against the
disappointment that he was not engaged in the war, yet he consent, or with the connivance of, the respective Bove-
-1 would, upon reflection, see that the line of conduct which reigns of these petty German principalities. I will not
he had just taken was most injudicious and inadvisable to ask whether you are likely, under these circumstances, to
take. The course adopted of applying unworthy epithets obtain the best and most valuable troops. This I can say,
to the arguments of another noble lord, and the attack that the preamble of the bill of 1801, to which the noble
made upon the great commercial classes of the country, duke made reference, thought it necessary to recite that,
ought to have been avoided at a moment like the present. whereas there were large numbers of foreigners ready and
(Hoar.) It should not be 'forgotten by the noble earl that anxious to take up arms in our cause, and join with us,
I the Government of which he was a member added only but could not be admitted into our service without the
5,000 men to the army, and 2,000 to the navy. The argu- consent of Parliament, therefore an application was made
meats adopted by the noble earl were those used in 1800, for them, (The Duke of Newcastle made an observation
when a similar bill was introduced—it was said to be un- across the table.) Have ,you recited that a certain large
constitutional, and that 15,000 foreign troops in the coun- number of foreigners, partaking of the same sentiments,
try might create alarm. But this was all talk. If the and having the same interests and objects in view as your-
Government were to introduce double the number, they selves, aro ready to join you ?
would be utterly incapabie of doing the least harm. The The Duke of NEWCASTLE—The other bill recites
suggestion of the noble earl,- that they ought to be sent to what we do.
the Mediterranean, was much more dangerous. The noble The Earl of DERBY—If it recites what her Majesty's
earl's speech simply came to this —"I support the war, Government do, I confess it will recite very little. (Laugh-
but Ido not support the Ministers, as they are not the ter.) You cannot recite the preamble of the other mea-
proper persons to carry it on." Now, the house ought to sure. There 'were then a large body of men anxious and
decide this question, and declare whether or not Ministers willing to serve the Government, who knew from whence
were worthy of their confidence in carrying on the war, they Would come, to what extent, and the reasons for
I The noble lords opposite professed to give their assistance which they could depend upon them, and therefore the
to the Government, and yet they attempted to create an Government asked Parliament to allow them to employ
unfounded prejudice against every single measure which those gallant mon. But the present case is entirely dif-
the Government introduced. (Hear.) ferent. Now, where are you going to get the persons from?
stLord VIVIAN should be prepared to vote for the mea- I don't believe you know. I think it is exceedingly doubt-
sure if he believed there was really any necessity for it; ful whether you will get, even by the consent or against
but having heard the noble Duke at the head of the War the consent of these petty German Sovereigns, any valu-
Department state that great anxiety existed among the able additions to the British army. But, have you any
young men of the country to enlist under the banners of idea of the numb or you will require? What is the amount
the army, he- could not see why, at the present moment, of your necessity / Without German troops you say you
wo should be obliged to have recourse to a band of foreign cannot carry on. the war.
mercenaries. They had learnt from the noble duke that The Duke of "NEWCASTLE—The Emperor of Russia
sevenfold more recruits presented themselves now than would be exceosilingly glad if I were to tell you. (Hear.)
there did some two months ago. The danger of such a The Earl of DERBY—But you have admitted to the
measure also weighed in his mind against its further pie- Emperor of Russia that without German troops you evil
gross. Ho was ready to do full justice to the bravery of be,unable to maintain the honours of the country. (Op-
the gallant German legions and the Brunswick troops dur- position cheers.„) The noble duke thinks he has said some-
ing the last war, and to admit that it was an objectionable thing exceedin, ;I.Y smart ; but whenhe comes to the House
course to avail ourselves of their services; but the circum- of Commons ft; money to pay these men he will be obliged
stances then widely differed from those which now existed. to state the amount of his necessity. (Hear, hear.) 1
Wo were then all engaged in a common war against a corn- want to know if n desire 10,000, 20,000, 30,000,
mon enemy; all Germany, with the exception of Saxony, 10,000, or 50,04 Germansn ? You will have to tell the
joined with us, and, therefore, little objection arose to the House of Commons how many men you mean to take ; and
employment of Germans, especially in the state of Bruns- really when you tell me that to state the amount of troops
wick, which was under the rule of the Sovereign of the you require
from. Germany is to divulge a secret to the
country. If similar circumstances arose he should be most Etnperor of Re, "a, think at the present moment it is a
willing to assent to the proposal of the Government; but great secret to the Government to kriow what amount of
at present he felt compelled to vote against the bill, believ- troops they act nally want; still more, what amount they
in.' it to be, as he had already said, one of a dangerous are likely to obtain. (Laughter.) I think it has been
character.a
stated that Paesliament has considered that the Govern-
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said, as he was in the moat might go ao far as to engage these troops, but not
unfortunate predicament of finding himself obliged to vote bring them to R.ngland. Well, I say, why bring them to
for a bill to ivhich he saw very great objection, ho wished England ?My
noble friend (the Earl of Ellenborough) has
to explain the views which guided him to that conclusion, shown quite It acidly that the English channel is not the
First, as to the principle, he agreed in almost all the objet- shortest way to the Crimea. You say you don't want to
Lions taken to the bill by the noble earl who spoke so forci- keep them iu this country, and I may say here from the
bly on the other side of the house (the Earl of Ellen. feeling in the amentree on the subject it is not desirable
borough); but when the Government stated, what he that we should see them. If you choose to bring Ger-
owned he waseinclined to believe, that we wanted men for man and Swiss troops into England, you must take upon
immediate action, and that this bill would bring service- yourselves the responsibility of the act, and ask tho House
able men, he owned he could not take upon himself the re- of Commons to pay for them ; but don't ask Parliament
sponsibility of rejecting it. Ho entirely agreed with the to sanction the c ourse, and t 0 put its fiat on what you
noble earl that the Government had made a very meagre have done, and. ti lereby admit that it is necessary for the
statement as to the necessity of the measure—(" Hear," honour and safete rof the country to employ these foreign
from the Opposition)—but at the same time the refusal of soldiers. My lox cis, this calling in of strangers has been,
Parliament to assent to a bill so forced on their sty ref from the earliest ages, from the period of the fall of the
a very early period of the session would have a most eat from
empire d own to the time when that passionate in-
jurious effect in this country, and he feared also in fore
ore vocation was made by Alfieri—
nations. He was .quite of the same opinion as theon
" del non suo ferns tints
earl, that no such necessity as that alleged by the G vern-
Puguar con brascia di stannieri enti ; "
) He (the Mar-
!flea ought to have existed. (Hear, the surest sign in all countries of the weitkness of a nation,
quis of Clanricarcle) was ono of thosheeawr.ho,dnthtehe early the most unfailing indication of approaching decay. (Hear,
a surytlyiatyr
part of last year, spoke of the importan of
of theaab hear.) Ido not "believe that England is in such a state
which we were about to enter, and
that you would have to encounter the difficulties you seem
thinking there would be any peac He remwemerbeerleikdoulysintog
4- to anticipate—tdee raising the necessary amount of troops
a word from his own vocabulary,
in the country. Sneer, hear.) I have been assured
enter into a -disastrous war, though() thatwSi not mean to that at the presee it moment, though you have somewhat
express the slightest doubt shoat
(th. results being glorious lowered the standard height of your troops, yet that it
and successful to us. Hone intiti tonnelonvoey that it would might be lowered considerably further, and that this, with
war-T-_ w w d all forth great
be a sanguinary
an increase of bon nty, would bring a considerable addition
exertions, and for which the Government ought to strain
every nerve. He unfortunately thought that the bill would to your forces. (Hear, hear.) lam told that even at the
pro eat moment you refuse to take any man who has
do some harm t° the enlistment of recruits throughout the reached the age. of 30. (Hear.) Well, my lords, you,
. (Hear, bear, from the opposition.) Though want those men_ at a particular moment, and for a parti-
country
lifted assent to the bill, he considered it to be
giving a qua _
imme-
unwise, and he should throw the entire responsibility
of itperiod
cular purpose. 'You want them for the purpose of
diate action; you want their services probably for a p
upon the Government.
The Earl of DERBY—My of rot more there three or four years. Now, I ask the
lorle, in the speech of my Government whether a man of 30, in the full power of
noble friend I concur almost from beginning to end, but in manhood—in fall' activity of both body and mind—would
the the conclusion at which he has arrived lam sorry I cannot not for so brief a- term of service as three orfeuornyteatorstliw
wen
da
ar
re
dn
heighto sv e n -
concur, for that conclusion is contrary to the whole tenour infinitely prefercale to lads of 17 or 18 to send
leis speech. and argument of els speecn. He admits every objection ge,ra.imodeain—wthaart? p€‘l,E.Ettieleanr,tihael
acrli.rateo
to the bill on the constitutional ground, and on the bacon- ofq the troops, anti), if need be, increase the bounty—in-
venter:ice and danger of ado tine theiwnerwhthieehsta
course u want—that bow many men you you want
proposed. He crease the age of. enlistment; and depend upon it, 'if you
tell the country
admits that the Government
have shown a very meagre
•
case with regard to the plea of necessity which has been put them to maintain the honour and dignity of the nation—
the Government will be able speedily to meet thelexigency.
forward. He Rays, as long as the Government asks for (Hear, hear.) Ent if you tell the country its means are
troops to carry on the war—so long, whatever the proposi- exhausted—that you must htar)oe
found,
to foreign troops
lion be, I hold that the Houses of Parliament are bound to —that British arsy
. p
—sracawnnaond undisciplionrecT7nanndntohma: you
grant the troops which the Government ask for. Now, my ward—that
e
if you do that, you will take the
the feeling of the lords, so long as the Government are acting in the discharge extinguishingcsaurest—mthneirtitnst'iiitoefhel7rrae
country—
of their Government duties, and more especially in the that spirit whi eh is now altogether with you. Do not do

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so ; on the contrary, for God's sake, encourage that spirit
—that national spirit which is, under rroviclence, the bul-
walk, the safeguard under which you can hop to bring
this war to a successful and honourable issue. But if you
wish to damp that spirit—if you wish to run counter to
this feeling or prejudice (call it which you will)—if you
check the national ardour at this moment—if you desire
by legislation to attain these results, then, my lords, pass
this bill. (Loud cheering.)
The Duke of ARGYLL did not wish to introduce any
acrimonious feeling into this debate. He could not doubt
fora single moment that the noble earl and his friends
It would give their support to any measure which they be-
lieved for the interests of the country. But he protested
against the noble earl (Earl of Derby) assuming to him-
' self upon every occasion such extraordinary magnanimity.
He did not believe the noble earl would oppose a measure
which he considered absolutely necessary for the safety of
the country ; but the noble earl took every opportunity
of detracting from the merit of Government, and imparting
party spirit into the debate. A noble, duke, one of the
supporters of the noble earl, had borne his testimony to the
efficiency of those mercenaries, as they were now termed,
and he regretted to see that that noble duke was tonight
purposely absent. The measure would probably add
10,000 or 15,000 men to the service of the country ; and
interested as they were in reducing the power of Russia,
no real objection had been or could be urged against it.
He again warned noble lords not to be led away by the
clap-trap of the two noble earls (Ellenberough and Derby),
whose speeches ought not to be permitted to influence the
decision of their lordships' house.
The Earl of DERBY did not propose to notice anything
that fell from the noble duke, who had, however, permitted
to leak out the important secret that the number of foreign
troops which the Government meant to employ was 10,000
or 15,000 • but what he wanted to correct was the
erroneous statement of the noble duke with respect to his
noble and gallant friend the Duke of Richmond, who was
not.purposely absent, but had, in accordance with what
he had stated on the previous occasion, gone down to com-
mand his regiment. (Hear, hear.)
Their lordships then divided, when there appeared, for
going into committee on the bill—
Content
Non-content
Majority for going into committee — 12
Their lordships then went into committee on the bill.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE, in reply to a question of
Lord Darby, said the Government did not propose to place
any restriction on the employment of foreigners other than
that which the House of Commons might impose in the
granting of supplies—that was to say, the Government did
not propose to fix any particular number. He hoped the
house would allow the bill to pass through committee, so
that it might be passed before the Christmas holidays.
The Government proposed to take the third reading of the
bill on Monday next.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH was understood to ob-
ject to the course proposed by the Duke of Newcastle.
The bill then passed through committee.
Their lordships adjourned at haif-past nine o'clock till
to-morrow (this day) at two o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS--(YESTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
PETITIONS.
Mr. TIIORNLEY presented a petition from Black-
burn, praying for an alteration in the Sale of Beer Act.
Sir J. JOHNSTONE presented a petition from Scar-
.
• borough against any alteration in the system of licensing
public-houses.

SMALL ARMS.
On the motion of Mr. MtriTTZ the following return
was ordered :—Return of all orders given, and contracts
entered into, by the Board of Ordnance for small arms,
since the Ist day of January, 1853, with the dates
thereof, the time of the deliver,y of each pattern, and
also' when each material was given out to be set up ;
specifying separately London, Birmingham, and foreign
orders ; and stating what part of them have been re-
ceived, and what number of materials, and muskets, or
other guns have been accepted of 577 bore, and all
other kinds, and when.
ST. PAUL'S CATHEDRAL.
Mr. LABOUCHERE wished to put a question to
his right hon. friend the Commissioner of Works upon a
subject of considerable importance to the metropolis.
The house was probably aware that owing to the improve-
ments which had lately been made in the City there was
now a large vacant space on the north-east side of St.
Paul's Cathedral affording a most excellent view of that
magnificent building. Now it would be disgraceful to
the country and the metropolis,if that vacant space were
allowed to be again built upon. It might be pur-
chased for a sum of 60,0001., and he should be glad to
know from his right hon. friend whether he would
direct his attention to the subject, with the view of pre-
venting the space being again covered over. (Hear.)
Sir W. MOLESWORTH said, some months ago his
attention was called to the question, and he' entirely
agreed with his right hon. friend that the space ought
not to be covered. (Hear, hear.) But this was a ques-
tion which did not belong to the Government ; it be-
longed to the Corporation of the City of London, Who
estimated the value of the laud at 60,000/. ; but it
would be a gross act of Vandalism to cover the ground
with buildings. As Commissioner of Works, however,
he had no power to prevent it, nor had he any funds
wherewith to purchase the land. (Hear.) He did
not think Parliament ought or would give the authorities
of the city 60,0001. to induce them to do their duty,
but he should be happy to consider any plan to prevent
the land being bpilt upon,. provided it would not involve
any outlay of public money. •
AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS.

In-.reply to Mr. J. B. SMITH,
Mr. CARDWELL stated that agrioultural statistics
had been collected in part. of Ireland, the whole of Scot-
land, and eleven in English counties, and the results
would be ready for delivery after Easter.

CHURCH RATES.
Mr.PACKE asked the noble President of the Council
whether it was his intention, during the present session,
to bring in a bill-to settle the question of Church Rates.
Lord J. RUSSELL replied that he should bring the
subject on soon after Easter. (Hear, bear.)
THE APPOINTMENT OF AUDITOR TO THE
DUCHY OF LANCASTER.
Mr. WISE, rose to ask the circumstances under which
the appointment of Mr. Bertolacci to the office of
Auditor of the Duchy of Lancaster took place.
Mr. STRUTT saidthat it was not his intention to say
one word disrespectful of the gentleman who last filled
that office, beyond remarking that he as a literary
man was not one the most likely to fill an office
of that character, and when by his death the
appointment became vacant he, thinking it might be
blended with some other, had asked the Chancellor of
the Exchequer to point him out some one holding an-
other office who could undertake it. The gentleman
referred to (who to that time was a perfect stranger to
him) was named, and finding that he in every respect
bore a high character, the appointment had been made
at a reduction of half the previous salary of 4001. a year.
Mr. MUNTZ called the attention of the house to a
statement which had appeared relative to an explosion
which bad occurred on board a steamer from Glasgow
to Portsmouth, by which it appeared that the safety-
valve of the boiler could only open inwardly, and that
it had been shut all the way.
Mr. CARDWELL said that the inquiry had been set
on foot.
CHAPLAINS ANDTHESEAT SCR
OF W IPTUREAR. READERS AT
Mr. HAMILTON rose to ask the Secretary at War,
whether it is the case, as has been reported, that Scrip-
ture readers are prohibited from visiting such of our
wounded soldiers in hospital‘at Scutari as are desirous
of their services ; while other benevolent persons, com-
prising among them Sisters of Charity, and members
of religious orders are admitted into the hospitals.
And, whether any and what regulations have been
made, by which members of religious orders are pre-
vented from impressing their peculiar religious opinions
upon any but those of their own communion. The hon.
member, in •putting the question, wished to know if
they had been expelled by the Sisters of Charity for
their own private ends.
Mr. S. HERBERT said that the Sisters of Charity
were placed upon a different footing from those who.were
sent when the Government determined to send out
nurses to Scutari. They were sent out of all creeds, but
under the guidance of one, and that one a Protestant ;
and when they, the Sisters of Charity, offered their ser
vices, Government accepted them upon the understand-
ing that they were to be bound by the same regulations
as the others who had preceded them, and they made not
the slightest objection. The regulations by which they
were bound was that they should not make any use of
their position to tamper with the religious principles of
patients of a different persuasion to their own. With re-
gard to the Scripture readers they were differently
situated. The Government had selected chaplains as
near as they could in numbers to suit Vie Scrip-
tural wants of the soldiers, who were divided
into three bodiea, Church of England, Presbyterians,
and Catholics, and it was most important that nothing
like religious controversy should take place, and every
precaution had been taken to prevent it. He had seen the
account in the papers about the alleged expulsion of
the Scripture readers, and only supposed that they had,
by giving away tracts or some other course, infringed on
`.?the rules, and thus their expulsion had become a matter of
-nscessity. Hedid notsay this was the case, buthethought
it would be foui3d to be the cause of the matter alluded
to. He concluded by assuring the house that every
effort had been made to afford spiritual'consolation to
the troops of all denominations, but at the same time to
prevent controversy.
In reply to Mr. SCULLY,
Mr. S. HERBERT stated that the army in the East
was composed of two-thirds Protestants and one-third
Roman Catholic, and Government had sent out 12
chaplains for the Church of England and four for the
Presbyterians.
TREATY WITH AUSTRIA,
Lord J. RUSSELL, by command, brought up a copy
of the treaty entered into with Austria, which was ordered
to lie upon the table.
FUEL FOR THE ARMY.
Mr. EWART wished to know from the First Lord of
the Admiralty what steps had been taken for supplying
the army in the Crimea with fuel l
Sir J. GRAHAM said the authorities at Malta and
ether stations had received orders to forward a supply
of coal to Balaklava.
VOTES OF THANKS TO THE ARMY AND NAVY
IN THE EAST.
Lord J. RUSSELL rose amid great silence and pro-
ceeded as follows :—" Sir, in rising to perform the task
which I have undertaken, I have the satisfaction of think-
ing that, however feebly and incompletely that task may
be performed, I am sure of the sympathy of this house.
(Hear, and cheers.)- I cannot doubt that all those who
are concerned in and approve of the expedition which has
been sent out to the Crimea will heartily join in acknow-
ledging the deeds of valour, the constancy, and the forti-
tude which they expected would be performed. (Hear, and
cheers.) I should say still more strongly that those who
thought that the expedition was undertaken with inade

quate means, and that our army was exposed to unequal
o,lls, wilt be still more inclined to admire the mperlaiman

efforts which have Leon made by that army. (Hear, ane
cheers.) I therefore, sir, proceed to this task in confidence
that the house will approve of the motions which I shall
submit to it. (Hear, and cheers.) In performing that
task I may, perhaps, at the outset be permitted to state
that I shall endeavour as far as possible to avoid repeating
the details of actions, the narrative of which has been
given by Lord Raglan in his own clear and admirable
language. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) I shall also endea-
vour to avoid entering into questions of tactics and mili-
tary criticisms. I hold that we are none of us well quali-
fied to perform a task which can only be adequately per-
formed by those who are not only perfectly familiar with
the art of war, but also know all the circumstances of ope-
rations which may be undertaken, and the manner in which
they have been performed. If I may give
,an illustration,
I would mention that in the history of the French empire
the historian, in recounting the operations which belong
to the battle of Wagram, states that the first Napoleon
having carried the battle to a certain extent, and seeing
the victory inclined to be in his favour, ordered certain
manoeuvres to be performed, said afterwards that another
manoeuvre, which would have been far more decisive,
would have produced more splendid results, but that his
army was not at that time composed of the veterans whom
he was accustomed to lead, but that many of the troops
were young and inexperienced men, upon whom he did
not rely for their steadiness in a manoeuvre which was so
difficult to be performed. Now, a military critic having
discovered that such a manoeuvre might be performed,
might have blamed the great commander for not under-
taking it ; but he, knowing all the circumstances,—being
aware of the position of the ground—the character, the
temper, and disposition of his troops—no doubt judged
rightly with respect to the conduct which ought to be pur-
sued. So, likewise, in regard to every military operation
—unless you know exactly the nature of the ground—un-
less you can count exactly the force of the enemy, and
likewise the state and temper of his army—it is impossible
to judge with respect to the operations to be performed.
I say this, because it is my intention only to state what
operations have been performed. I have no doubt that
they were performed with very great ability—l have no
doubt they were carried out according' to the best judg-
ment under the circumstances ; but I do not intend on this
occasion to meet objections which may be made to any par-
' ticular_course of conduct on a certain day. Now, sir, let
me proceed to state the position of Lord Raglan. Lord
Raglan was chosen by her Majesty to command the expe-
dition which was sent out to the East. That choice was
dictated by the reflection of the services which he had ren-
dered to his country, and the character which he had ob-
tained both in the army and in office. Lord Raglan, when
a very young man, might have used the influence of a very
powerful family to obtain any position to which he might
have aspired, but the only thing he asked for from the Go-
vernment of that time was to be attached to the staff
of Sir Arthur Wellesley. He was attached to that staff,
and from that time every step he has gained, and the emi-
nence which he at present holds, aro due to his own me-
rits and ability. (Loud cheers.) I perfectly remember
that on several occasions, when I had tlio honour of being
at the head-quarters of the Duke of Wellington, in the
Peninsula, that he performed all the duties of military cor-
respondent to that great captain, when he had not only
to conduct the military correspondence of the army, but
also that of the Government at home— with the Secretary
of State and the Secretary-at-War, and also with the Por-
tuguese and Spanish Governments. (Hear, hear, and
cheers.) There was business enough to employ any office
in the country which has the most business to conduct,
but it was all performed 'by Lord Raglan, owing to his
clear head and the great facility with which ho discharged
it; and though amid the hurry of arms, it did not for a
moment divert his attention from the duties to be per-
formed in the field. He was in the company of the Duke
of Wellington throtigh his long career, and he was at
length wounded, in the service. He returned to this
country to perform other duties. If the character of Bri-
tish officers in the army stand high—if the selections
which have been made show how much desert has been
attended to -it is in a great degrees to Lord Raglan that
the country has been indebted for those selections. (Loud
cheers.) Such is the man, therefore, who has been ap-
pointed by her Majesty to command the army in the
East • and let rue say, further, that having been so ap-
pointed, he at once commanded the confidence and the
affection of the British army, and in a very short time he
gained the entire confidence and hearty co-operation of
the generals of our ally, the Emperor of the French.
(Hear, hear, and cheers.) When we have to consider
that these operations were to• be conducted in com-
mon with the forces of our ally with whom we had not
been accustomed to co-operate in the field, however
intimate may have been the two Powers during the exist-
ence of peace, the house will see at once that it was not
only by valour in the field, though inore brilliant valour
was never displayed, but it was by other and not less ne-
cessary qualifications that the character of Lord Raglan
has been of service to his country. (Hear, and cheers.)
Now, sir, I will proceed to that expedition and those con-
flicts in which the best blood of this country has been shed
—and when I say the best blood, I by no means intend to
notice persons of any particular rank, military or social,
but among the best blood of this country is the blood of
those sons of labourers and others who have entered the
military profession, and have devoted their whole hearts
to duty—who have stood on tho field of battle without
those expectations of being distinguished by those rewards
which reach other and higher classes, but who have per-
formed their duty fearlessly and faithfully, and at the
same time with a feeling of religious obligation which has
prevented them, while foremost in assailing the enemy,
from committing any outrage in the field. (Loud cheers.)
I am sure that these children of. Britain are not less de-
serving of praise than the sons of the highest and noblest
in the land. (Loud cheers.) The embarkation of the
British troops took place towards the end of August. It
was in the despatch of the 29th of that month Lord Raglan
mentioned his obligation to the officers of the British navy,
to which I will hereafter allude, and the assistance ren-
dered by the sailors in the embarkation of so large a num-
ber of troops. The expedition pieaeeded to toe unmea
There was some question with regard to the place of de-
barkation. Lord Raglan himself preceded the fleet in a
swift steamer, and on surveying the coast found that some
points which had been thought of for landing the troops
were guarded by redoubts and fortifications, and at length
he fixed on a place, to which he obtained the assent of
Marshal St. Arnaud, the commander of the French army.
The selection was so judicious that the whole army disem-
barked without opposition, and that important operation
was successfully accomplished in a comparatively short
period. That was already:a proof of the skill and ability
of Lord Raglan, which gave great satisfaction to the coun-
try. Having landed on the 14th, the army set out and
marched
a considerable distance by the 19th. On the 20th
tbey had got two miles further, and then the Russian army
was perceived on the heights of the Alma. In the space of
two hours our troops made themselves masters of those
heights, and' the Russian army made no further t attemptwas to
occupy or retake that position. (Hear, hear.) I a
position of great natural strength—so strong that one por-
tion of the heights was quite unassailable from the nature
of the ground. It is generally believed that Prince Men-
schikoff, wile then commanded, wrote to his master to say
that it was a position which would enable him to keep the
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was the brilliant valour of the British and French troops,
that they carried those heights. The Light Division of
the British army was encountered by a showerof musketry
and grape, which for a time thinned their ranks ; but the
brigade of guards came up and attacked the Russian posi-
tion with such fierce vigour and determination that the
Russians yielded their position and heights, never again to
attempt to regain it. (Loud cheers.) I hayo already ob-
served that, as to the details of this action, Lord Raglan
himself has given them in the clearest language. I may,
perhaps, however, mention some circumstances relating to
the noble lord himself. Marshal St. Arnaud carried at the
same time the left of the Russian position. The charge of
the French troops was so impetuous and so vigorous that
the enemy soon yielded, and the. French army was esta-
blished on the heights which had been occupied by the
Russians. (Cheers.) On the British side a great mass of
Russian troops were collected. Lord Raglan, seeing the
great force with which he had to contend, remarked to one
of theofficers of his staff that it would be desirable to place
some cannon on height which he pointed out, which
could be brought to bear upon the Russian columns, and
asked him if he thought guns could be placed oil those
heights. The officer returned, and said he thought it was
possible. Lord Raglan then ordered 2 guns to be taken to
the heights. The Russian artillery was so powerful and
destructive, that most of the artillerymen who accom-
panied these gunaiwere killed in ascending the heights; but
the guns were placed as Lord Raglan hadesired. It was
an officer of his own staff that fired the first shots from
these guns. At first they were not effective, but presently
they got the range, and were so directed against the mass
of the Russian infantry, and made such deep passes through
that great body of men, that after a time the whole mass
began to move, tho columns were shaken, and the Russians
commenced a retreat. (Cheers) Such is a proof, I con-
Ceive, of the military eye and the skill of Lord Raglan,
who, surveying the enemy, and perceiving how they might
be best assailed, directed the movement with that coolness
and decision which aro his characteristics. (Hear, hoar.)
And when I speak of tho coolness of Lord Raglan; I may
be perhaps permitted to' mention a circumstance which
came from an officer of his own staff. One of his staff ob-
served to Lord Raglan that he was exposing himself too
much, and going too far in advance—that the Russian fire
in that part was so hot that the life of the British com-
mander ought not to be so risked. %When this remon-
strance was made, that he ought not to expose himself so
much, Lord Raglan replied, "Don't speak to me now ; I
am busy." (Loud cheers.) Now, there is nothing of epi-
grammatic wit in this—nothing, perhaps, of heroic senti-
ment in these words ; but they were the words of an
English gentleman attending to his duty, and whe was
quite regardless of any. danger that threatened himself.
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plished on the 25th of September. It was accomplished
with great skill, the army being, of course, exposed to the
danger of a fresh attack.• The march was, I say, most suc-
cessfully performed. They surprised the rear of the Rus-
sian commander's army between Baktchi-Serai and Sebas-
topol, and the English and French at once made them-
selves masters of Balaklava and the heights between that
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spirit, determined to persevere to the last in the perform-
ance of his duty to his Sovereign and his country.(Loud
cheers.) He was resolved that, although in a fes
perhaps in a few days, nothing would remain but his dead
body, that that body should be covered with glory. (Cheers.)
In a day or two Marshal St. Arnaud died. He was an
officer who lied shown gallantry and heroism, and our
'army had every reason to be satisfied with his conduct.
He was in short a brave soldier, who, to the last day of

his life, performed his duty. (Cheers.) I cannot here
omit to mention the words in which Marshal St. Annelid
spoke of Lord Raglan's conduct at the battle of the Alma,
because they were words worthy of the brave and generous
nation whose general spoke them— they show in a striking
manner the generous mind of Marshal St. Arnaud, and
the character of the man concerning whom they were
mentioned. The marshal said that the bravery of Lord
Raglan reminded him of the heroes of antiquity—in the
midst of cannon and musketry shot, the coolness and
valour displayed by him was unequalled. (Cheers.) The
command of the French army devolved upon General
Canrobert, who at once, as wellas since then, had acted in
concert in every sense with Lord Raglan. They acted
together with most perfect accord. There was no other
rivalry between them than which of them should best serve
the common cause. (Loud cheers.) There was no.paltry
spirit of jealousy, each admired the charaCter and actions of
the other. On the 28th of September the army occupied
the heights in the neighbourhood of Sebsstopol. About ten
days elapsed, when, after a full examination of the ground,
the impression of Sir John Burgoyne and other eminent
officers—l mention Sir John Burgoyne, because he is best
qualified to give an opinion on that subject—the impres-
sion on Sir John Burgoyne's mind, I say, was, that the
task would be far more difficult than had been supposed.
It was imagined that the regular fortifications of Sebas-
topol on the land side, were not such as would prevent the
Allied army getting close to the town, and destroyin gits
defences with such artillery as they had ready, and so the
reduction of the town would soon be accomplished. When
I look back to the letters which were written about that
time by various officers, and transmitted to us by our am-
bassador at Constantinople, I found there was a confident
expectation that Sebastopol would soon fall. Sir John
Burgoyne, however, found, upon examination of the
ground, that the hills which slanted towards Sebastopol
had large ravines, and were separated from each other,
so that troops placed on one part of the hill could not co-
operate with those placed on another. It was, therefore,
found very difficult to carry on the operations originally
intended, and that it would be dangerous to let any por-
tion of the English force be unsupported on such ground.
Accordingly, it was determined to bring as much heavy
artillery to the batteries as could be brought, and to
work our soldiers day and, night, and they did so with
the utmost cheerfulness and good-will. (Loud cheers.)
The object was to place heavy artillery in such po-
sitions as would destroy the defences of Sebastopol.
It was obvious, however, from the moment that this de-
termination was taken, the prospect assumed a very dif-
ferent character ; and the Russians having a great quan-
tity of heavy artillery in Sebastopol, and all the heavy
guns of the ships lying there as well as their Crews,together
'with the garrison, not counting the population of the town,
were enabled very speedily to repair the breach which our
batteries made in their fortifications. The task, therefore,
I repeat, became one of great labour and difficulty—no-
thing was left undone, either on the side of the British or
the French, to hasten on the works. On the 17th of Oc-
tober our fire opened, and that fire, produced a very con-
siderable effect. Many of the guns of the Russian bat-
teries were dismounted. One of their works was, for a
time, nearly destroyed. At the same time, the English
and French fleets came near the forts, towards the side,
and for some hours kept up a formidable fire upon those
defences. But that &tenet having effected an opening
place to make an assault, the Russians occupied the night
in repairing the defences that had been destroyed or im-
paired by our fire, and in remounting guns, of which they
had abundance. In this manner, therefore, the siege went
on until the 25th of October, when the Russians, coming
round by the valley of Balaklava,l made an attack upon
certain redoubts in that neighbourhood, defended by the
Turks, and made themselves masters of them. A great
body of their cavalry then advanced, but the heavy cavalry
of the British charged them, though in vastly inferior
numbers, and forced the Russians to retire. (Cheers.)
Later in the day, by the miscontaruction of an order of
Lord Raglan's an attack was made by the light cavalry on
the lines of the Russians, who, notwithstanding the great
superiority of the enemy in numbers, and that their bat-
teries played upon them, still charged in the bravest man-
ner. (Cheers.) Indeed, nothing could be more admirable
than the bravery shown by those troops. (Loud cries of
" Hear, hear," and cheers.) I believe that at no time in
the annals of the British army—(hear, hear)—has courage
been more signally displayed. We may lament that the
occasion did not produce greater results, and that it was
not so fruitful of advantages as if it had been directed in a
different manner; but that is not the slightest disparage-
mont to the valour of those men who were ready at any
risk, and with immense odds against them, to charge the
enemy whom they saw before them, and whom they
were directed to charge. The works of the siege, neverthe-
less, were proceeded with, and notwithstanding that the
troops were thinned by sickness—for the cholera had not
ceased in the camp of the Allies - they worked night and
day at the trenches. It was then, and under these cir-
cumstances, that an immense effort was made by the com-
mander of the Russian forces—perhaps I ought rather to
say, by the Emperor of Russia himself—for two of his sons
were present—in order to overwhelm the force of the Allies.
That attempt was made, it is said, by more than 60,0J0
men—l should think it probable that the number was not
less than 80,000. They were troops who had not been pro-
sent at the battle of the Alma—troops that did not know
the enemy whom they had to encounter. These troops
were raised to the highest pitch of fanaticism, and it is
said that their courage was animated by other means—(a
laugh)—came in vast columns to take the British position
at Inkerman. Lord Raglan has related the events of that
battle. He has stated how, in the darkness of the night
and the fog of the morning, the Russians were able to place
very considerable artillery—no less than 90 pieces—and to
advance their columns close to the English position. In
that darkness and that thick fog it was impossible for any
commander toexercise any power of discrimination—it was
impossible to survey the field and witness those dark ope-
rations. There were but 8,000 British men in that field.
(Loud cheers.) But though the numbers were few—though
they were weakened by sickness and thinned by battle—
although wearied with continual labour and watching.—
although the darkness scarcely allowed them to distinguish
their comrades from their enemies—although they were
then after 24 hours' hard work in the trenches—although
they bad had but little rest, and only time to swallow, a
scanty meal—still, when they met this powerful enemy,
the epirie, unquenched and unquenchable. AC 0.. ..: J.!
-soldier rose in each man's breast, awe enabled him to
achieve a glorious triumph. (Loud and prolonged cheers.)
My right hon. friend the Secretary at War said truly the
other night that "this was the battle of a soldier;" but yet
,that baud of heroes, exposed as they were to an artillery
force, against which nothing for a very long time could
have stood, might at last not have been driven from the
field, not have been defeated, but they sight have left
their bodies upon those heights, and those heights might
have been kept by the enemy, rom the smallness of their
numbers, had not the armed reinforcements of our French
allies come at the moment and shared with them in the
glory of repelling that tremendous attack. (Cheers.) These
reinforcements were commanded by General Bosquet, one
Of the most distinguished chiefs of the French army, who
commanding them with skill and valour, rushed up with
an impetuosity that carried the position, and saved both
armies from the fate that might have awaited them had
the Russians obtained possession of any part of their posi-
tion and attacked them from the heights. (Hear.) And
yet, with the assistance of those French allies, there were
but 11,000 men that fought that famous battle. (Cheers.)
I believe that, in point of destruction of an enemy scarcely
any battle will endure comparison with it. More than
5,000 dead were left upon the field by the Russians ; and,
taking the average of the wounded as throe times that of
the killed, we find that 14,000 men caused a loss of far
more than their own number. (Hear, hear.) I believe,
sir, there are no modern annals that contain the histOry of
a battle more to the honour of those who fought it than
that of Inkerman. It has caused, indeed, the loss of many
gallant men, and it has caused deep sorrow and affliction
to many ; but I am persuaded that the renown of that
battle, and the effect which it will produce will last to
future generations. (Cheers.) We have seen that in the
course of that battle there were at ono time various
, changes of forces on the part of the enemy, but we have
seen the heroism of the Allies prevail, and I fancy that
those who have to give an account of what it is to attack
those troops, will -be slow to think that. Russia can ob-
tain the advantage in tho war which she is waging against
two such nations. (Hear, hear.) I will now only advert
to the general operations of the siege which has been
undertaken, Hear to the assistance we have received from
the navy. (, hear.) The general operations at sea,
although conducted by offices of great experience,
have been of a most laborious and perilous nature, and the
sufferings and privations of the men have been very great.
And here, in alluding to the losses which we have expe-
rienced, I cannot forget the name of a general officer who
fell at the battle of Inkerman, and from whose talents and
former services the country had every reason to expect a
complete military commander. I allude to Sir George
Cathcart. (Hear, hear.) The gallant officer behaved at all
times with the greatest spirit. He. was so generally esteemed
by every one that, when the question arose of sending out
a general to the Cape, the Duke of Wellington, who knew
him best, concurred in saying that no more skilful com-
mander could have been found for the service. (Hear,
hear.) I remember seeing him on his return from his
command at the Cape, when he spoke in terms of exulta-
tion at his good fortune in having been appointed so soon
to a command in the Crimea. This feeling of exultation
was experienced by him to the last, and even at the closing
instant of his life, we aro assured that he was animated by
the same sentiment, He had no ether ambition or wish
than to give his life for his country, and to spend the last
drop of his blood in her service. (Cheers.) Those are the
men who do honour to their country, and such are the
men whose names can never be separated from her glory.
(Hear, hear.) Tho next vote, which it is my intention to
propose, is a vote of thanks to the navy for their co-opera-
tion. (Hear, hoar.) I have already mentioned that Lotd
Raglan states that from the commencement of the opera-
tion the zeal and -efficiency of the navy, in assisting the
troops, was beyond all praise, and that from Admiral Dun-
das, down to the lowest sailor in the fleet, the same heroic
enthusiasm was manifested. Lord • Raglan has also men-
tioned, in the highest terms, the conduct of Sir Edmund
Lyons. In describing the battle of Alma, after expressing
the deep feeling of gratitude he entertained for their ser-
vices, hp says :—" They watched the progress of the day
with intense anxiety ; and, to show their sympathy for
the forces engaged, they never ceased to provide for
the sick and wounded, and to carry them down to the
beach—a service in which oven the officers participated.
I mention no names lest I omit some that ought to be in-
cluded; but I will mention that Sir E. Lyons was, as he
always is, most prominent inrendering assistance,and that
I am deeply grateful to him for his exertions." This is the
mention made of one who is an honour to his country, and
one from whom we expect great and brilliant services in
the war in the ensuing campaign. Sir E. Lyons followed
up these operations with the greatest energy and zeal, and
entered the harbour of Balaklava at the same time that
Lord Raglan was making good his occupation of the place.
When the fire was opened against Sebastopol, Lord Rag-
lan and General Canrobert asked Admirals Dimdas and
Hamelin to co-operate with them by firing on the batteries
defending the harbour. That service was willingly under-
taken. The injury done to the land batteries was not such
' as to enable the troops to attack the place by assault, and
therefore the fire did not produce any effect, exceptfor the
time, but had the Allies been able to storm the place, the
diversion caused by the fire of the navy would have been
most useful. As it was, there is only one opinion that
every man engaged in the fleet performed his duty with
zeal and to the satisfaction of the commanding officers. I
now venture to propose a vote of thanks to the navy, and,
from the feeling that pervades the country, I am sure that
thehouse will readily agree to it. I mean, also, to propose
a vote of thanks to Gen. Canrobert, and to the officers and
men in the Fre n ch service who co-operated wi th her lle.josty's
forces in this struggle. Sir, such has been the feeling ex-
hibited by the two nations, in consequence of the gallant
has been formed which severed—(hear,
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propose a vote lamenting the fate of those who have
perished in the action, and offering our condolence with
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