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goods. The only result of all this expense would be a
series of voluminous reports which nobody would read,
and for them Government was about to starve the useful
portion of the exhibition. It was true the French had
spent E 5,0001., but then it should be remembered that in
France there were no manufacturers comiu4 forward to
co-operate, whereas now the English manufacturers were
coming forward liberally, the subscriptions in Manchester
alone amounting to between 4,0001. and 5 0001.
Colonel SIBTHORP had opposed the Crystal Palace in
Hyde-park, and also its successor in Sydenham. He would
continue his opposition to the present as tending to the en-
couragement of the foreigner at the expense of our own
countrymen.
Air. .BROTHERTON said that be had received repre-
sentations from Salford similar to those which had been
read by the hon. member for Manchester. They did not
object to the whole amount, but to the mode of distribu-
tion.

Mr. SCULLY complained of the small sum allowed for
the transport of goods.
Mr. RICH thought some information should he given to
the committee as to the officers under whom this sum of
money was to be expended.
Sir J. SHELLEY considered that the fact of the French
Government having granted a sum of money, was no rea-
son that England should do the same. He believed that,
if left to pi ivate enterprise, these matters would be much
better carried out. If the committee were divided, he
should vote against this vote.
Mr. SPOONER found that a portion of this sum was to
be expended in the completion of the decorations of the
Exhibition. He did not quite understand this.
Mr. CARDWELL said that the decorations referred to
were precisely similar to those which were executed by the
French in the Exhibition at Hyde-park—(hear)—and which
gave so marked and cheering a tone to the French courts
in Hyde-park. (Hear.) In addition to this there were ex-
penses to be provided for in furnishMg cases for those raw
products of the United Kingdom which, although they fell
into no particular branch of English trade, yet ought to be
represented in Paris, and would therefore be exhibited by
the Government. He thought that no one would object to
proper decorations for the English department of the
French Exhibition, for if we were to exhibit at all, we
ought to do so in a proper manner. (Hear.)
Colonel SIBTHORP said that the country was now en-
couraging foreigners, and he was quite sure that for dura-
bility and solidity English manufactures were unsurpassed.
(" Hear, hear," and laughter.) He warned hon. gentlemen
to beware of France and Austria. Let the committee take
care of man-traps and spring-guns. (Laughter.)
Mr. LOCKE thought if the manufacturing int3rest had
been left to itself in this matter it would have been better.
_ _

If the Board of Trade had left the entire matter to private
parties the country would stand a chance of being better
represented than it did now.
The vote was then agreed to.
A vote of 100,0001. to defray the several charges under
the head of civil contingencies having been proposed,
Mr. W. WILLIAMS called attention to what he deemed
to be the objectionable character of several of the items.
He saw no reason why a sum of 2,0001. should be set down
in the estimates as an allowance to be made to the Lord
Chancellor upon his appointment to the office ; nor did he
think that the sum proposed to be given to the Lcrd Lieu-
tenant of Ireland, under the title of equipage money, was
an expenditure which was justifiable.
Mr. PELLATT wished to know upon what ground a
sum for the purpose of defraying the expenses of the colo-
nial bishops for making tours through their dioceses was
place.l upon the votes ? It appeared to him to be an en-
tirely new charge upon the public funds.
Mr. WILSON said that for very many years the colonial
bishops had been obliged to pay periodical visits to various
portions of their dioceses. Several of these localities con-
sisted of islands in the West Indies, and in passing to those
districts they were usually afforded a passage in such of
her Majesty's ships as might happen to be at the particular
station, and were merely allowed the expenses of their
maintenance while on board the vessel. With respect to
the sum of 2,0001. paid to the Lord Chancellor upon his
appointment, he could only say that a similar sum had
been given to him from time immemorial; and he (Mr.
W.) believed it was entirely inadequate to defray his ex-
penses. To the Lord Lieutenant, also, who was a high
officer of state, he did not think that an unreasonable sum
was asked to be granted for the purpose of furnishing the
equipage becoming his position.
Mr. PELLATT said that as he had received no sufficient
answer with respect to the amount allowed to the colonial
clergy for the purpose of enabling them to make a tour
from one portion of their dioceses to another, he should
move that that amount he deducted from the vote.
Mr. PEEL stDt,Al that the allows' ce made to the colonial
bishops was so trifling as not to enable them to incur the
expense of paying visits to the remoter islands which came
within the limits of their dioceses. The island of Be••-

muds, for instance, was within the diocese of Newfou❑

land ; but it was at so great a distance from the residence
of the bishop as to render a visit to it a matter of very
great expense. It was, therefore, only reasonable that
those expenses should ba paid out of the public fund, which
the salary of the bishop did not enable him to defray.
After a few words from Mr. MAGUIRE,

Mr. WILLIAXIS said that if his hon. friend the mem-
ber for Southwark would divide the house, he (Mr. Wil-
liams) should move that t e sum of 1,'200/. be paid to the
episcopal clergy in Scotland, as also the sum proposed to
be given to the commission appointed to inquire into the
condition of the collegiate churches in England and Wales,
should be deducted from the vote.

Mr. HADFIELD should support the motion of the hon,
member for Southwark.

The vote was agreed
On the question that 812,826/. be voted for the mail
packet service,
Mr. HORSFALL called attention to the irregularities
which attended the performance of the South African Ser-
vice, and which were inflicting great loss upon the trade
of the country.
Mr. COWPER said this was a very difficult service,
and there was no power in the Admiralty or any other de-
p,rtmeut of the Government to prevent the delays which
the hon. member complained of. However, steps had been
taken to diminish the delays as much as possible.
Mr. HORSFALL said the difficulties were purely ima-
ginary, but the real point of complaint was this : the con-
tractors were paid for services which in point of fact they
did not perform, because they had sold some of the
steamers with which they had intended to complete their
contract.

Mr. J. FOSTER said some of the vessels had been with-
drawn to assist in carrying on the war in the East.
Mr. HORSFALL said that might be so, but there were
other vessels which might have been obtained for continu-
ing the service.
The vote was agreed to, as was also a sum of 998,0001.
for expenses of the embodied and disembodied militia of
Great Britain and Ireland.

In reply to questions from Colonel LINDSAY and Colonel
DUNNE,
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A CUSTOMS
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The house then went into committee on the Customs
Acts.
Mr. DEEDES said, they had been sitting since twelve
o'clock, it being then half-past twelve at night ; and as
they were to meet at twelve this day, he should move that
the chairman report progress. Such an important bill
should not be proceeded with at that hour.
Mr. HADFIELD seconded the proposition for reporting
progress.
Mr. WILSON hoped the hon. gentleman would not per-
severe with his motion, as there was only one item which
was not a mere alteration of terms. That item was hops,
and it was understood that it would come on.
Mr. M. SMITH said that the hon. member who objected
to the article of hops had left the house, and he must ob-
ject to proceeding at that late hour.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said they
might be allowed to go un until they arrived at that article,
and then the hon. gentleman might raise his objection to
proceeding. It was to be recollected that the hon. gentle-
man would have six other opportunities of stating his
views with respect to hops.
Mr. BOOKER said he thought it was distinctly under-
stood that no opposed business was to be taken after twelve
o'clock.
Lord J. RUSSELL said it was unreasonable for any
hon. member to object to proceeding with this business st
a comparatively early hour of the night (twenty-five
minutes to one o'clock.)
Mr DEEDES sail he would not stand in the way of
the business proceeding, and would withdraw his motion.
After sumo further conversation, the motion was
withdrawn.

Mr. NE WDEGATE inquired what the amount of the
new duty upon glass was to be?
Mr. WILSON said it was not intended to put a duty
upon common glass. There was no duty at present. upon it.
At the request of Mr. FREWEN and other hon.
members, the resolution respecting the hop duties was
postponed.

The other resolutions were then agreed to, and the house
resumed.

STAMP DUTIES BILL.

On the order of the day for the third reading of the
Stamp Duties Bill,
Mr. HADFIELD moved that the house adjourn.
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Mr. HADFIELD moved the addition of the following
clauses :—" And whereas doubts have arisen, whether,
under the provisions of the said act of the 13th and 14th
years of her present Majesty, chap. 97, leases, whereby
there is reserved a peppercorn or other nominal rent, are
subject to the stamp duty of 6d. by the said act imposed
on leases where the rent shall not exceed 51., or to a stamp
of some other and greater amount, and it is expedient that
the said doubts should be set at rest, be it enacted,
that where, by any lease, or tack of any lands,
tenements, or hereditaments, or heritable subjects, for any
term of years, there shall be reserved the rent of a pepper-
corn, or any other nominal rent, such lease or tack shall,
in respect of such nominal rent, only be subject to the said
stamp duty of 6d., and no more ; be it enacted that where
any conveyance of any lands, &c., &c., shall be made with-
out consideration money, other than a nominal considera-
tion, not exceeding 251., such conveyance shall be subject
to a stamp duty of 2s. 6cl. and no more."
Mr. WILSON opposed the introduction of the clauses,
which were negatived without a division.
Mr. HAMILTON, in the absence of Lord Naas, moved
the addition of the &Relying clause :—" The stamp duties
now payable on matriculations, degrees, and certificates of
degrees, in each and every university in the United King-
dom shall be abolished so soon as provision shall have been
made, to the satisfaction of the Lords Commissioners of
her Majesty's Treasury in lieu of any moneys heretofore
voted annually by Parliament for any of the said universi-
ties." These taxes were taxes on education, and as such
were very objectionable. (Hear, bear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped the
house would leave the matter in the hands of the Govern-
ment, as they had already commenced to deal with it. The
question, apparently, was very simple, but not at all as
much so as hon. gentlemen might suppose. The question
ran into very considerable branches of detail, and involved,
consequently, a large amount of revenue.
Colonel DUNNE thought the clause a very reasonable
one, and should, therefore, support it.
The clause was negatived without a division.
Mr. WILSON moved the omission of clause 15, for the
purpose of moving the insertion of an amended clause,
which was agreed to.
Mr, IiADFIELA moved an amendment, with the object