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choice of difficulties. But he thought that, balancing the
advantages and disadvantages on each side, the best
of her
they could pursue would be to adopt the proposal
Majesty's Government, and to try that relaxationofa pre-
vious practice before they determined on abolishingee a
of right
which it might be most important that the officersher
Majesty's navy should possess on great public emergencies.
Mr. HUTT introduced some verbal amendments into the
clause he had moved.
The house then divided—
For Mr. Hutt's clause 49
Against it ...................... . ........ l_2_B9 0
Majority against the clause
Captain SCOBELL then moved the following clause :
ereas many vessels are sent to sea inefficientlymanned,
to the danger of life and sacrifice of property, and much
incertitude has arisen respecting the proper number of
hands to be carried for the duo navigation of vessels ; and
whereas, since the repeal of the 37th clause of the Mer-
chant Seamen's Act, a large number of ships have been
sent to sea without a boy or apprentice on board, be it en-
acted that, from and after the passing of this act, it shall
not be lawful for any Custom-house officer, or other per-
son, to grant clearance to any agent, owner, master, or
broker, for the sailing of a British vessel out of any port
in the United Kingdom or Channel Isles, with a cargo, or
in ballast to a foreign port, either in the foreign, home-
trading, or coasting trades, unless it be shown to the sa-
tisfaction of the officers of her Majesty's Customs, by the
articles signed by the officers and seamen, that such vessel
is manned after the following rate : vessels of the burden
of 100 tons register, computed by new measurement, one
duly indentured Apprentice, above the age of 12 years, and
. under 21 years of age, such apprentice to be bound for not
less than three years ; and one boy to every additional 100
tons, with one master, officer, seaman, or proper person,
to every 25 tons complete, or four seamen to every 100
tons : Provided always, that an apprentice who has
served for a full term of three years on shipboard, and
who is above 17 years of age, may count for one seaman
when the number of apprentices and boys does not exceed
one to every 100 tons ; and owners wishing to carry men
in large vessels instead of boys may compute their crews
after the ensuing scale—that is to say, in vessels above 200
tons, nine seamen for every 200 tons above the first 100
tons—namely, on board a ship of 300 tons, for example,
13 seamen and one apprentice (master and officers in-
cluded).,' He contended that ships worked by foreigners
could not be worked as efficiently as if the crew were na-
tives. The naval committee that had sat recently had.
strongly recommended the system of apprentices. By his
clause the number of apprentices would be increased to
20,000, instead of 14,000. Two-thirds a the
_emigrant
vessels did not carry any apprentices at all.t el\ieohwouhlde
thought, to keep up a good stock of __seamen, h
keep up the system of apprentices. wnf ssedythat his
great object in proposing They the clauseeas to secure the
safety of the country in case of war.
that our seamen could take out American must recollect
protection, and
thereby be lost to our service.
Admiral WALCOTT supported the clause, and said he
was persuaded that the disastrous shipwrecks which had
taken place, and the great loss which resulted, were mainly
owing to the inefficient ships. manning of our It was
proposed to rob the sailor for the benefit of the foreigner,
and d the sailor would therefore look for a permanent home
in America. Thousands of British sailors were now in the
service of that power, and numbers were daily going over,
but none were coming from that country.
Mr. CARDWELL said the clause under discussion was
not the manning clause, but one prescribing the number
of men to man his ship to the shipowner. Parliament had
repealed the law directing the shipowner as to the number
of men in his ship, and 9,000 men had been added in three
years to the mercantile marine. The plan, therefore,
worked well. Would a law of an opposite character work
well as regarded apprentices ? He was satisfied it would
not. It was not consistent with reason to dictate to the
shipowner in the matter of men, nor would it be so in the
case of apprentices. The fact was, the owner would evade
the clause by taking landsmen. He (Mr. C.) did not think
the clause was at allin conformity with the spirit of legisla-
tion of that house, nor calculated to promote the interests
of the shipowners, and he was therefore inclined to regard
it rather as a protest than as a serious proposal.
Mr. DUNCAN said that all the mercantile marine
wanted of Parliament was to be let alone. And he en-
treated of the Government, therefore, to agree to no re-
striction on it.
Mr. HUME objected to the clause. The commercial
navy would support itself.
The house then divided—

For the clause
Against it

154
-147

Majority...
The clause was therefore rejected.
Mr. HORSFALL (in the absence of Mr. Collier), moved
the following clause —" That where any seaman or ap-
prentice, who shall have committed any offence punishable
under the Mercantile Marine Act, 1350, by summary pro-
ceeding before a justice of the peace, shall arrive or be
found on shipboard within two miles of any borough in
which there is a justice of the peace capable of exercising
summary jurisdiction under the said act, such offence shall
for the purpose of giving jurisdiction to such justice under
the said act, be deemed to have been committed within
the limits of such borough."
Mr. R. PALMER said it would be more convenient to
postpone the question, and he had no doubt his hon. and
learned friend would not object to do so if the government
thought it requisite.
The clause was therefore negatived without a division.
Mr. CAIRNS moved the amendment to the 4th clause
on the subject of the services of the light-houses. He was
not inclined altogether to dispute the arrangement proposed
by the bill, which placed the balance of 100,000/, now in '
the hands of the Ballast Board of Dublin at the disposal of
the amalgamated fund, for he regarded the existence of so
large a balance assproof that that board had not done its
duty very energetically. He should like to know, however,
why a similar course was not to be adopted as regarded the
fund at the disposal of the Trinity House. Now according to
the clause under consideration, it was proposed to make the
fund only applicable for the purposes of building light-
houses, and providing and keeping iu repair what were called
marks of the sea, so that the commissioners would be de-
barred from taking any steps to remove reeks or other
impediments to navigation, and to show how the act would
work, he might state that he knew of a buoy on the north-
east coast of Ireland which was maintained at an annual
cost of 1001. Now, according to different estimates, the
rock which it was intended to point out might be blown
up at an expense of from 2001. to 1,0001. ; but under
the bill as it stood there would be no power to obviate
such an anomalous state of things as that, which actually
saw them incurring, at the very least, double the expendi-
ture necessary, independently of other advantages. The
fact was, the law as it stood was so framed at a time when
it was not contemplated that sub-marine operations
would be carried on to the extent which was witnessed
now-a-days. He therefore proposed to amend clause 4, so
that from line 31 it should stand as follows :—" And such
aggregate fund should be applicable to the purposes of the
services in respect of which the said tolls, rates, fees, and
payments are levied, and to the execution of works neces-
sary or expedient for permanently reducing the expense of
such services, and save, as hereinafter specially mentioned,
to no other purposes whatever."
Mr. CARDWELL said, that the question raised by the
hon. and learned gentleman, whose conspicuous abilities
rendered him so worthy a representative of a great com-
mercial port—(hear, hear)—was one peculiarly belonging
to the shipping interests to be decided. For undoubtedly,
by the law as it now stood it was impossible that the
Board of Trade could use the funds in the manner pro-
posed by the hon. member ; he would therefore leave the
amendment entirely in the hands of the house. With
regard, however, to a point raised by the hon. gentleman,
he might state that the sums invested under statute . and
therefore they could be affected again by statute. But as
respected the fund belonging to the Trinity House, that
was money to which British shipowners had never contri-
buted, it having been levied from off foreign shipping ;
and the important part of its enactments had been made
more than five-and-twenty years ago, in strict conformity
with their charter. When, therefore, upon the requisition
of the government, the board surrendered its right of tax-
ation in all cases, except for the purposes of this bill, it
had never entered into any engagement at all—nor would
the government have thought it reasonable to ask them to
do so—to surrender any of the sums which had been levied
off foreign shipping.
After some observations from Mr. HUME expressive of
his great desire that the day would soon come when the
whole question of the Trinity House would come under
review, the clause as amended was agreed to.
Mr. KIRK then proposed the following amendment :
In clause 5, line 12, page 4, after " and the produce
thereof," insert "shall, iu the first instance, be applied for
the purpose of finishing any works already commenced
by those bodies respectively, or for the purpose of forming
any harbour of refuge on the eastern coast of Ireland, and
the residue of such monies, after such application afore-
said. The house would perceive that the object of the
amendment wastoprovide for the establishment of har-
bours of refuge
on t
outlay indeed, the east of Ireland. For a very small
be
$ mostle effectual harbour of refuge might
. and
opposite to Liverpool, where
ve established o
vessels mitglitto show runN!.n
tee(' remain with the most perfect
safety, and
tion that within the last five
for such he would men-
years no less than 447 vessels
had been wrecked uptoonththeemetanorth-east coast of Ireland, re-
presenting property
Mr. R. M. FOX hoped theinatinld6m7ertl.would meet
with a favourable consideration. He mast protest aeainst
a different allocation of the 90,000 a n the hands of the
Ballast Board, and the 32,000 a remaining with the Trinity
House, or against any set-off being
debt duo from Kingstown Harbour. on account of the
yl.vaas:rono,tenafitirtlathteaclt
very V. SCULLY considered that the bill
a bad bargain for Ireland. The onl
he had heard in favour of the proposition
having this large balance unappropriated she t Ireland
deprived of it. Ought tee be
Mr. CARDWELL said whatever gain would :ariseinitf:soat
the transaction, Ireland would have its fair share. -
happened that Ireland had a balance of 100,000/.
sum was subjected to a debt of 170,0001. (A laugh.) Out
of that balance of 100,0001. there was a sum of 20,0001.
to be expended on Irish works, under this act. Re had
explained the whole of the arrangement on two previous
occasions in committee, and he believed all parties were
satisfied.
Mr. HUME understood that the way in which Ireland
became possessed of that large balance was by charging
lid. instead of Id. per
theton. It was money unjustly levied
upon the commerce of country, as no money
ights and
ought to
be levied beyond what wa_s required to keep the l
harbours in a proper condition.
Mr. VANCE complained that foreign vessels which did
use the harbour of Kin,estown were compelled to pay dues,
while vessels which did use the harbour were exempted.
He thought that was a great hardship, and ought to be
remedied.
Colonel DUNNE could not see how this debt of 170,0001.
could be made out.
The amendment was then negatived without a division.
Mr. INGHAM then moved the amendment of which he
had given notice in the 29th clause :—" Excepting as to
ships employed in a coasting voyage from one part of the
United Kingdom 'voyage to another • or in a between the
United Kingdom and the islands of Glernsey, Jersey, Al-
derney, Sask, or Man, or from one part' of either of them
to another of the same ; or employed in fishing on the
coasts of the United Kingdom or of any
in which cases, and every of the said islands ;
shall be British seamen." He contended
the whole of the crew I
contended that they were
bound at least to protect this department of their trade,
which was the great nursery r_ seamen, and which
might bo said to be the hereclryit.aryneionpolOrt of thousands
of the people of this count
foreign sailors to enter this trade, and bilopea to
oaulll(Thvianvgo
the support of the house in the amendmenteliw
posed. e now pro. I
Captain SCOBELL seconded the amendment.
CARDWELL objected to the amendment. Re
holt ght that when they were throwing open the foreign

trade there could be no good ground for making an excep-
tion in favour of the coasting trade.

The house then divided—
For the amendment
Against it

Majority

.. 35
.. 101
..---69

The bill then passed.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that to-morrow (this day) he
proposed to proceed with the committee of supply. On
Thursday he would state the intentions of the Government
with regard to Jamaica.
Mr. BROTHERTON (at half-past one o'clock) objected
to proceeding any further. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
PILOTAGE BILL.

The house then went into committee on this bill.

On clause 10,
Mr. HORSFALL resisted the attempt at that hour to
proceed further with a bill of so much importance.
Mr. LIDDELL moved that the chairman report pro-
gress.
For reporting progress 27
Against it 97
Majority
Mr. E. BALL immediately moved that the chairman
leave the chair. (Cheers.)
Mr. CARD WELL appealed to the lateness of the session
as a reason why he felt compelled to press the bill on.
The motion for Mr. Bouverie leaving the chair was agreed
to, and the house resumed.
CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Mr. MAGUIRE resisted the measure as unnecessary in
the present circumstances of Ireland. He thought that at
least the proclamations should be withdrawn from those
counties which were comparatively peacea.
Sir J. YOUNG, whilst he admitted that the millions of
Ireland were in a peaceable and contented state, could not
shut his eyes to e existence of certain secret societies in
that country, to th
which it was still necessary to extend the

law.
sed.
few word saftrhomirdMtirm. Be oawndY;itas,
BEYOND THE METROPOLIS) BILL.
BURIALS
This a
bill was read a third time and passed.
BURIALS
This bill was read a third time and passed, and the foll-
-1 'lag clause added :—``,.Provided always, that in all cases
ionwiwhich any burial board shall provide a new burial
ground, that new burial ground shall be divided into
consecrated and unconsecrated parts in such proportions,
and the unconsecrated part thereof shall be allotted in such
manner and in such portions as may be sanctioned by one
of her Majesty's Principal Secretaries of State ; and when
any burial board shall, by virtue of section 30 of the said
act, build on any burial-ground provided by such board a
chapel for the performance of the burial service according
to the rites of the United Church of England and Ireland,
they shall also build on the portion of such ground set
apart for burials otherwise than according to the rites of
the said Church, such chapel accommodation for the per-
formance of burial service by persons not being members
of the said Church, as may be approved of by one of her
Majesty's Secretaries of State."
THE LUNACY REGULATION BILL.
This bill was read a third time.
HACKNEY-CARRIAGE DUTIES BILL.

This bill Vasl;;OngliiiiPto be considered as amended.
Mr. LOWE brought up a clause, which, he said, he be-
lieved to have been framed at the request of the cab pro-
prietors themselves, and which would undoubtedly benefit
the public. The object of the clause was, that where a
cab was hired by time, after the first hour the cabman
could demand for every quarter of an hour 6d., instead of
2s. for the whole hour.
The clause was agreed to and added to the bill.
Mr. F. SCULLY brought up a clause which was in-
tended to prevent the cab proprietors again suddenly with-
drawing their cabs from the streets, by giving power to
the commissioners of police to withdraw or suspend the
licenses for cabs in the event of their being withdrawn two
consecutive days, without a notice of 10 days having been
given by the proprietors, or to the magistrates to inflict a
fine not exceeding 20s. for each carriage withdrawn each

clay. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. LOWE begged to state that the clause met with the
approval of the Secretary to the Treasury.
Lord D. STUART objected to the clause, because it left
everything to the decision of a magistrate. He should, on
the third reading of the bill, move a clause, giving the
power of appeal from the decision of the magistrate or
police commissioner in every case falling under the act.
It had been his intention on a previous occasion to give
notice of the clause which he proposed to move, but at
that time the proprietors of cabs had withdrawn them
from the streets, and under those circumstances he felt
that it would not have been in accordance with his duty
to give any notice on the subject.
Mr. R. PALMER considered the clause to be a speci-
men of inconsiderate legislation, and he should feel it his
duty to oppose it.
Mr. I. BUTT thought that the hon. member for Tippe-
rary was out of order in proposing a clause at the present
stage of the bill of which he had given notice for the third
reading. He should wish to hear the Speaker's opinion on
that point.
The SPEAKER was of opinion that, as the hon. mem-
ber had given notice of his intention to move the clause on
the third reading, it was not competent for him to move
it at the present stage of the measure.
The clause was then withdrawn.
Mr. FREWEN objected to the radius of four miles from
Charing-cross. The house ought to know that this was
called a west-end clause and a House of Commons clause.
If the clause stood as at present, it would include Wands-
worth-common and the end of Streatham, where there
was very little chance of a back fare, and would exclude
the populous districts about Mile-end. He proposed, as
an amendment, that the outside boundaries of the metro-
politan boroughs should be adopted as the limit beyond
which the increased charge should commence.
Sir W. CLAY had received many representations from
the inhabitants of the east-end of the metropolis protest-
ing against Charing-cross being selected as the centre of
the four mile circle. The four miles would just go be-
yond Whitechapel, and would exclude the hundreds of
thousands who lived at Mile-end, Limehouse, and parts
adjacent, while it would include Chelsea, Lambeth, and
the country districts beyond them. (Hear.) He would
propose St. Paul's, which was adopted as the central point
of the metropolis in some recent acts of Parliament.
Mr. LOWE had been requested by his hon. friend (Mr.
Fitzroy) to propose Temple-bar as the best point from
which to measure the four mile circle. (Herr.) The Gen-
eral Post-office had been thought of, but that would
omit Chelsea, while the amendment of the hon. member
(Mr. Frewen) would extend to some country districts. He
understood, for example, that the borough of Marylebone
went up nearly to Hampstead.
After a short conversation, in which Mr. BROTHERTON
renewed his protest against proceeding with the discussion
at so late an hour (half-past 2),
The house divided. The numbers were—
For the amendment l4
Against it
Majority —74
Mr. LOWE then moved the substitution of the words
" Temple-bar" for " Charing-cross" as the centre of the
circle from which to calculate the four miles.
Mr. FREWEN said, that whatever point the circle were
taken from, it would be unfair to certain districts. The
further end of Eaton-square, and probably part of Hackney,
would be beyond the circle now proposed. ("No, no.")
The motion for the substitution of Temple-bar was then
agreed to.
Sir J. SHELLEY suggested that the case of the Hansom
cabmen was deserving of some consideration at the hands
of the Government.
Mr. FREWEN gave notice that upon the third reading
he should move to give the cabmen additional pay after 12
o'clock at night. The hon. gentleman moved that no
charge should be made for the conveyance of a man-servant
upon the box when the cab was engaged by two persons.
Mr. LOWE opposed the motion.
The motion was withdrawn.
DUBLIN CARRIAGE BILL. - -

This bill, as amended, was considered, and several fresh
amendments introduced.
SMOKE NUISANCE ABATEMENT (METROPOLIS)

BILL.

This bill was read a second time.
ECCLESIASTICAL LEASING ACT AMENDMENT

BILL.
This bill was also read a second time.
SOUTH SEA ANNUITIES DISSENTIENTS.

The resolutions of the committee on this subject were
received.

MISSIONARY BISHOPS BILL.

Mr. A. KINNAIRD moved that this bill be read a se-
cond time that day three months. It was a measure which
had been hurried through the House of Lords, and which
a great number of persons interested in its provisions had
had no opportunity of considering. He thought it a very
improper thing to introduce so important a measure at this
late period of the session, and he hoped the noble lord at
the head of the Government in that house would not at-
tempt to pass it.
Mr. SPOONER said that the bill was of that nature that
it would be quite impossible to carry it.
Lord SEYMOUR wished to know whether the Govern.
ment supported or opposed the bill ?
Mr. PHILLIMORE had not charge of the bill, but he
wished to correct a great misconception which prevailed in
respect to it. It was supposed that the object of the bill
was to introduce bishops of the English Church into other
Christian nations. This was an entire mistake; there was
no such provision in the bill. The object of the bill was
simply to allow bishops to act as missionaries in heathen
countries. However, he was persuaded, after what had
passed, that it would be impossible to pass it this session.
The motion of Mr. Kinnaird was then unanimously
agreed to.
DUTIES ON HORSES LET FOR HIRE BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
BETTING-HOUSES BILL.

This bill was committed pro forma.
CUSTOMS ACTS CONSOLIDATION BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
INSURANCES ON LIVES BILL.

This bill was read a second time.
The house then adjourned at three o'clock.

Car _
F.
se GARDENS.—The second bal masque of the
ason mDRN
is announced
intant,
and
to take place to-morrow, the 3d
most magnificent
the preparations are, we understand, on a
withoutcharge, scale. The cirque will be thrown open
thir unequalled
the Italian brothers are to exhibit
nessed last evetlfeat, Le Saut de .Ririere, which we wit-
powers of those lnwith increased admiration of the
norym enhances the
genius of Mortra extraordinary artistes. The pyrotechnic
performance, this extraordi
which impressionwillprcaovuesoendeboyf
the most striking feature of to-morrow's entertainments.
'
A brilliant assemblage
masterly tactics of r. Simpson, who is richlyi deservings certain to do usti justice t o the
of public patronageM.
d
MADAME TUSSAUD AND SONG' ExHiumoN.—This
most'excellent exhibition increase public iiesti-
mation, more particularly as it has latelyt
le Royalbil children,
honoured
by a visit from Prince Albert and
who expressed their satisfaction with the arrangement
and contents of the museum. Many novelties have
/ added lately ; and among those of highest interest been
a
group of the younger branches of the Royal family, re
a
con
sisting of the Prince of Wales, in a beautiful Scotch
dress, the Princess Royal, the Princess Alice Maud, the
Prince Alfred Ernest Albert, the Princess Helena
Augusta Victoria, the Princess Louisa, and Prince
Arthur Patrick Albert. The whole group are admirably
arranged, and are most striking likenesses of the Royal
children. They are executed with that taste aip.fl
.skill
for which the Messrs. Tussaud have rendered thenmielves
so famous in this country. The additions made, at vast
expense, to meet the wants of the visitors during the
time of the Great Exhibition, are now complete ndepartments ; and the exhibition comprises a suite of
rooms of vast magnitude, splendidly decorated, and
which cannot but be greatly admired.