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-the-plea that is vs a warrant issued under the attthorit
of the Ciitefirisiess search for gunpowder, whereas
what is called rocket con--ipdsition-issnot gunpowder, and
the Custom House had nothing to do with it. I think
it right to state this to the house, for the purpose of
allaying the alarm and apprehension which the speech
of the noble lord is calculated to excite. (Cheers.) The
statement I have made is from Mr. Hale's son, and I
believe it to be perfectly cornet. (Cheers.)
Mr. BRIGHT—I thought the lion. member for Fins-
bury asked the noble lord a question ? (Hear, hear, and
cheers.)
Mr. DUNCOMBE—Yes, I ask the noble lord if he
does not know this to be so ?
Mr. BRIGHT.—WeII, I will ask him a question too.
(Laughter.) It is known to every person, whatever
opinion he may have of M. Kossuth's conduct in Hun-
gary, America, or elsewhere, that the character of such
a man must be dear to himself, and that the press ought
not, without occasion, to defame him. (Hear, hear,
and ironical cheering.) I wish to ask the noble lord,
therefore, whether the matter be as the noble lord has
described it, or as the hon. member for Finsbury has
described it ? whether M. Kossuth is, by any evidence
before the noble lord, in any degree compromised in this
matter, more than any member of the Orleans party now
in this country ? (Cheers.) I have a right to ask this
question. I have been on a platform with that dis-
tinguished individual--(laughter and cheers)—and al•
though nothing would induce me to say that liberty is
more likely to be promoted by having recourse to arms
than by another course of proceeding which much more
recommends itself to my judgment and principles, yet I
should be extremely sorry, here or elsewhere, without
proof, to make it necessary to disavow my 'Connection
with or my admiration of much that I know of that dis-
tinguished person. (Loud cheers.) I feel, therefore, as
many other persons must feel, that I have some interest
in knowing whether those statements which appear in a
most powerful organ of the press, which is often sup-
posed to speak from intimate knowledge of the intentions
of the Government, are true or not. I have, I say, a
Justification when I ask the noble lord whether there is
any ground whatever—cr any proof whatever—that M.
Kossuth is compromised in, or was or is in any manner
connected with, this affair ? (Hear, hear.) And I wish
to have an explicit answer—(a laugh)—because I think
it is-due to that person that, immediately after the charge
has been made in the press, and is now travelling over
the world, if there be an answer which would clear him
from doing what I think would be unjustifiable in this
country, that that answer should be given, that his cha-
racter should be cleared, and that his exculpation should
be circulated as widely as the charge. (Cheers.)
Lord PALMERSTON.---"With regard to the ques-
tion put by my hon. friend (Mr. Duncornbe), he really
did seem to me to know so much more about the matter
than
alnthat
answerifthere werebetween
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to
of ques-
tion
be
the ques-
tioner, and he the answerer. (Loud laughter.) It is
out of disrespect, I can assure him, that it did not
answer the question he put to me. I must refer him to
his own knowledge, and not to mine, for an answer.
(Laughter.)
Mr. DUNCOMBE.—Does not the noble lord know
that these are the patent war rockets that Mr. Hale
offered to sell the Government ?
Lord PALMERSTON.—I really do not know. :.(Im-
mense cheering.)
Mr. DUNCOMBE.—WiII the noble lord inform the
house to whom the premises belong ?
Lord PALMERSTON.—Though I am in extreme
ignorance upon the point, I do not mean to dispute the
assertion of my hon. friend, that this has been a rocket
manufactory for the last six years. (Hear, hear.) It is
very possible. I do not know. With regard to the
question of the hon. member for Manchester, as to M.
Kossuth, I am quite sure that the house will feel that in
the present stage of these proceedings it is not proper to
enter into details. It is out of no disrespect to him. I
have cast no imputation on him. I have not done so on
any person. I have stated-that it remains to be ascer-
tained to whom these premises belong, and who were the
parties chiefly concerned in this manufacture. But lam
quite sure that, upon reflection, my honourable friend
will feel, and I am sure the house will feel that it is not
proper for me to enter into these details at the present
moment. (Hear, hear, murmurs, and cries of " oh.").
Lord. D. STUART.—It is no doubt a very con-
venient course, when a question is put in this house,
which it does not suit him explicitly to answer or
enlarge upon, for a Minister to indulge in the exer-
cise of humour and pleasantry, especially when he
possesses those qualities in so high a degree as
my noble friend. (Hear, hear.) The fact is, that
my noble friend is very much in the habit of having
recourse to this expedient—(hear,hear)--and sometimes, I
think in a manner which, though enjoyed by the house
at the time, it does not altogether approve of. (Hear,
hear.) Whether the question at issue be the miscon-
duct of some judge on the bench, who has suffered him-
self to be betrayed by his temper into passing a cruel
sentence on a miserable culprit—or whether it be the
character of a man unhappily in exile, although perhaps
illustrious on account of the patriotism he has displayed--
(hear, hear)—still my noble friend is ever ready—and I
presume to say sometimes too ready—with jokes, which,
while they may divert the house for a moment, are cal-
culated to raise my noble friend in the estimation neither
of the house nor the country. (Loud cheers.) And's
has it been on the present occasion. (Hear, hear.) But,
in reply to the last question put to my noble friend, I
observe that he has declined casting any imputation
upon the distinguished individual alluded to. He has
particularly said that he casts no imputation'lrPoli any
person whatever. So far, then, so good ; but up to the
present time, notwithstanding the heavy charge that has
been laid against M. Kossuth tsythe 'press, that charge has
not been supported by her Majesty's Government.
(Cheers.) The noble lord has now, at any rate, refused
to endorse that charge. (Cheers.) Now, I think it is
due to the distinguished individual alluded to, and also
to this house and the public, that, possessing some infor-
mation upon the subject, I should state it as far as it
goes. I. must say, then, with regard to that distin-
guished person, whatever may be thought of his political
conduct, that I see no reason whatever, why those who
have hitherto approved of and admired him—and I am
certainly one—should now withdraw from hint their re-
spect. If the government can fix upon him any impro-
per conduct, then will be the time to alter their opinion ;
but until that period arrives I shall not in any degree
regard him with less admiration and respect. (Cheers.)
Sir, I am able to state that M. Kossuth himself denies
all knowledge of these transactions (hear, hear), and that
he has declared in writing that he had no knowledge
whatever of them until this morning, when the paper
was shown him, which has, to say the least of it, so
hastily given currency to them. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. AGLIONBY—I know nothing of this case.
(Laughter.) I should like to know if any gentleman
opposite knows more. (Renewed laughter.) But al-
though I know nothing of the case or of M. Kossuth—
although I never saw these statements, or heard of them
until I carne into this house and heard the remarks
which have been made to-night, a sense of justice which
I think every Englshman ought to feel compels me to
express my opinion the subject. (Hear, hear.) Ido
not in the slightest degree deny that the noble lord
(Lord Palmerston) is perfectly right in not going into
any of the points asked him with regard to the inquiry.
These are matters for future consideration and inves-
tigation. But I have a right to say this, that it is ex-
ceedingly hard upon any exile from another country,
who takes refuge in this, to be charged, as M. Kossuth
has been charged in the article appearing in one of the
morning papers, with an offence, as if the offence were
proved ; whereas, by the statement of the noble lord,
that is not at all the case. The statement is, "That a
house in the occupation of M. Kossuth was searched
yesterday morning at an early hour by the competent
authorities, acting, we presume, under the Secretary of
State's warrant, and the result of this investigation was
the discovery of a large store of arms, ammunition, and
materials of war, which may be the stock in trade of a
political incendiary, but certainly form no part of the
household goods of a private gentleman living in pacifi
retirement." Now, I beg to ask if I understood what
the noble lord stated ? I thought I heard him say dis-
tinctly that it w.tl not the house of M. Kossuth—not
' his dwelling-house; and that tl:e statement in the paper
rests, therefore, upon wrong information. No .r, wish
to call the public attention to this circumstance—thati‘it
has been negatived that the house is the house of
Kossuth, and that at this moment nothing is established
I.
against M. Kossuth. This being so, I think it is most
desirable for the credit of the country, and with all
deference for the great organs of public information,i
of
that it is also due to the credit of the paper in which
the statement has appeared, that the correction ,
state-
ment itself. (Hear, hear.)thedjournmant of the house at its
for a
The motion.
statement should be circulated as widely as the
risiws until Monday was then agreed to.
AFFAIRS OF INDIA.
Mr. J. PHILLIMORE wished to' ask the President
of the Board of Control, whether any steps have been
taken to investigate the charges made by Hudall Seth
fMArbgGraub;batsd,
superior Mr.
joint magistrate
iasitildahteis immediate edmiaat:i
of Bellungury, 11th July, 1850, at Agra, against Mr.
whether those gentlemen. still hold
official situations in
India.
tCh.el3j.
Sir C. "WOOD said the matter was still under inves-
tigation by officers who had be
purpose by the Governor-Generalen aProinted for the
AUSTRALIAN MAIL.
Mr. MUNTZ wished to ask the •
First Lord of the
Admiralty, whether the steam-ship
back to Liverpool in asl aluci-ship Osmanli had not put
mails she was to have carrieda yforsttahtee,and whetherfd H the
had not been transferred to the General Capeo
Screw o o)Com-
pany's ship Indiana, to sail for the Cape and Calcutta
to-morrow : what arrangement, if any, has been now
made for the carriage of the mails to Australia ; are they
to be taken by the Argo, belonging to the Screw Steam
Company, which ship sails on the 4th day of May ?
Sir J. GRAHAM said, with regard to the first ques-
tion, it was quite true what the hon. member had stated;
but, with regard to the second question, all that he could
state was that the whole matter was now undergoing a
thorough investigation by the Post-office authorities.

[PRICE SD.

Passing them. We had arrived at a great crisis in
the matter of railways, and, inasmuch, as there
was every prospect of all the lines falling into
one management, if nothing of this sort was done, it
was for the benefit of the public that these resolutions,
which would have the effect of suspending amalgamation
bills, should be passed.
Mr. WADDINGTON believed that, in reference to
the railway interest, these resolutions were of a highly
conservative character, and he had no doubt that their
adoption would alike 'benefit the public and the share-
holders. They would have the effect of preventing the
proposal of speculative schemes ; and although at the
first blush the resolution might appear to be exceedingly
objectionable, he yet thought that on reflection they
would be found to be the best adopted for promoting the
prosperity of the public, as well as the railway interest.
Mr. LAING- must say that the committee in this
case had arrived at a sound and sensible conclusion in
recommending the postponement of these amalgamation
bills. The railway interest at stake was too vast to be
hurriedly disposed of, and since of late years the legisla-
tion of the house in reference to railways had been ex-
tremely short-sighted, he thought the house could not
do better now than adopt these resolutions.
Mr. CARDWELL could only say, that the commit-
tee had not as yet sufficiently investigated the guage
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ARTERIAL DRAINAGE.

In reply to Captain DUNNE,
Sir J. YOUNG said the subject of introducing arte-
rial drainage into Ireland was now under the considera-
tion of the Irish Government.

JEWISH DISABILITIES.
On the order of the day, for the third reading of the
Jewish Disabilities Bill,
A large number of petitions were presented against the
measure.
Similar petitions were preseoted by Mr. B. Mune,
Mr. Cobden, Mr. Hindley, and Mr. Whalley.
Mr. C. BRUCE moved, a 3 an amendment, that the bill
bo read a third time that day six months. The hon, gene