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gestion of many friends, he had determined to withdraw this Bill for the

present Session.
Mr. O'CONNELL said it was impossible to proceed with the Bill
this Session. A number of his constituents, directors of the Grand
Canal Company, had claims for compensation for the losses they must
sustain by the passing of this Bill to the amount of 80,000/.;which claims
could not possibly be investigated at this advanced period of the Session.

A short conversation ensued, after which,
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, the
Order was discharged.
SPIRIT LICENSES (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. E. TENNENT moved the second reading of this Bill.
Mr. SHAW had the greatest objection to this Bill, which, if passed,
would convert all the grocers into spirit dealers, and thus increase an
evil already enormous. He had exerted himself for several years to
check intemperance in the city of Dublin, but if he were not assisted by
the Government he could not hope for any success. He hoped, there.
fore, that the Government would now come forward, and he entreated
the Noble Lord opposite to refuse his assent to this Bill. He begged
leave to move that the Bill be read a second time that day six months.
Mr. O'CONNELL contended that the grocers, as a class, were more
respectable than the publicans, and were deserving of the spirit licenses.
If the object of the clause was to repress drunkenness, it should alto_
gether prohibit the sale of spirits, and more especially as regarded public-
houses. By levelling the measure as it was levelled, the object ap-
peared to be rather the putting down of grocers than drunkards. He
had never in his life heard of any riot occurring in grocers' shops in
consequence of their being permitted to hold spirit licenses.
Colonel VERI,TER said that he understood the observation of the
Right Hon. and Learned Member for the University of Dublin to apply
only to the grocers of that city. With respect to the grocers of that
part of the country with which he (Colonel Verner) was acquainted, he
could bear testimony to the excellence of their character ; but he could
not, of course, speak as to the character of the grocers in that part of the
country with which he was not acquainted.
Lord STANLEY said that the provision with respect to the grocers
was not new. Parliament decided the point two years ago, by impos-
ing this restriction upon the grocers. The Bill allowed two years for
the disposal of the stock in hand, so as not to make the grocers sufferers.
Mr. HUME contended that all restrictions, so far from effecting
anything towards the doing away with drunkenness, had quits the
contrary effect.
Lord MORPETH felt himself in a peculiar position with respect to
the Bill. In the former measure which Government brought forward.
it was proposed to insert a clause prohibiting the sale of spirits on the
premises by grocers, but a deputation of that body having been sent
over from Ireland to remonstrate on the point, the clause was aban-
doned. A similar clause, however, had been introduced by way of
rider to the Bill, and as he (Lord Morpeth) had not divided the House
upon it after the deputation of grocers had left London impressed wills
the opinion that no such clause would be introduced, he felt almost as
if he had broken faith with thorn, and would not therefore attempt to in-
fluence any votes upon the question.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading 43
For the amendment l5
—2B
Majority
Sir F. TRENCH then moved for a Select Committee to inquire into
those causes in which the Irish Government had offered rewards for
the apprehension or the conviction of offenders against the laws, and in
which such rewards, or any portion of them, have not been paid after
apprehension or conviction, and with the causes why they have been
withheld He did not by the motion mean to make any charges either
against the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland or the Noble Secretary opposite,
of wilfully encouraging outrage in that country, but he found the course
adopted by them had been productive of that result.
An HoN. MEMBER here moved that the House be counted, when it
appearing that only 30 Members were present, the Ilouse adjourned at
Ouarter to Eight o'Clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, JuLr 31.
At Four o'C ock the To; al Assent was given by Commission to the
Revenue Derrtments Securities Bill, South Australia Act Amendment
Bill, Lard Tax Redemption Bill, Land Tax Commissioners Names Bill,
Ultranational Copyright Bill, Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill, Leases and Ex-
changes (Ireland) Bill, Oldham Gas and Waterworks Bill, India Steam
S iip Company Bill. The Commissioners were, we believe, the Lord
Chancellor, the Marquis of Lansdowne, and the Earl of Shaftesbury ;
but we cannot speak positively, as the gallery was closed during the
proceedings
'the Loan Cu ‘NCEI.I.Oa took his seat on the Wools,eck at Five o'Clock.
A Message from the Commons brought up the Liverpool Clergy En.
dowment Bill, ant ,time other 11.11 s, which were read a first time.
'1 he Earl of RIPON presented petitions from Manchester, Boston,
Lincoln, Pritgewater, and sevu al ether places on the subject of idola-
trous worship in Ind a.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH presented similar petitions from Aber-
deen, Launceston, and two other places. The petitioners prayed for the
abolition of all profit arising from the pilgrim tax, and that all inter-
, fercnce in the appointment of officers in the temples should be discos.

tinned by the Government. The other point to which they adverted
was of the most serious and grave importance—that of discontinuing
a.ny outward marks of respect to their religion. If it was intended to
di,.c,:ntinue such murk of respect it ought to he done with extreme cir-
ci.rasputh.n, for if it was done hastily it would lead to the massacre of
every European Christian in India. lie said this from his own know.

lAge of the character of the natives.
Lord II A M expressed his satisfaction at the rcraarks of the
Noble Earl, and concurred with him in thinking that the most frightful

consequences might result from any hasty stein.
Lori REDESD A LE moved the s,cond reading of the Fisheries (Ire.

land) 8.11.
Ater a few remarks this Bill was read a second time.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY inquired when the returns %vide
he had moved for on Spanish affairs wooed be. laid on the table ? II
thought that great delay had taken place. He also wished to know
whether anything had been done towards the sett'ement of the affairs of
the Spanish Lagi,as ?
Lord MELBOURNE said the correspondence was exceedingly volu-
minous, and would be laid on the table es soon as it was possible to pre_
pare them. The Commissioners fur liquidating the claims of the Bri_
tish Legion had arrived in this comitry, but in consequence of some
difference of opinion as to the mode of inquiry, they had not yet com-
menced their proceestiegs.
Lord LY ND lIU nsr expressed hts hope that the proceedings of the
Commissioners might be made public.
Lord MELBOURNE, in answer to another question by the Marquis
of Londonderry, said, lie understood there were now in this country
agents for the purpose of purchasing horses for the service of the Spanish
Government.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH inquired what was intended to be done
with respect to the Natives of India Protection Bill 'I
Lord GLENELG said the Bill went down to the other House
with considerable amendments, and as it was evident that it was
not likely to pass with those amendments, the only course he
had to pursue was to arrest the progress of the measure. Subsequently
despatches had been sent out to India prohibiting the emigration of
the Indians, with the view to give time to consider the subject, and
bring in a more general measure of protection.
On the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, the Royal Ex-
change Re-building Bill was read a third time and passed.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented a petition from the
Archdeacon and Clergy of Bath against the Beer Bill; and several pet'.
tions from Warminster, and other places, in favour of the abolition of
idolatrous worship in India.
In answer to questions by Lords Baounieset and ELLENBOROSTGII, as
to the succession to the Throne of Oude,
Lord GLENELG said that he had no objection to lay on the table
the papers which had been laid on the table of the other House.
Lord MELBOURNE said that he understood there was no objection
to the second reading of the Tithe Bill being taken sub silentio, and
that the debate might be taken on going into Committee. If so he
should move the Order of the Day for the second reading now.
Lord BROUGHAM said he intended to oppose the Bill, and was
prepared to do so at present. He had, however, no objection to state
his objections at another time.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed on
Friday.
The Earl of RODEN presented several petitions on the subject of
the Irish Tithes Bill.
APPOINTMENT OF MAGISTRATES (SCOTLAND).
The Earl of H ADDINGTON begged leave, pursuant to the notice
which he had given a few days since, to state the circumstances con-
nected with the recommendation and appointment of two magistrates
in the county of Cromarty, in Scotland, which their Lordships would
admit te be as extraordinary as any which had ever been submitted to
teat House. It would be in the recollection of their Lordships that
thete was a vacancy in the representation of the county of Ross in the
spring of last year, and that there was a sharp contest. At that
election an individual named Gibson had been forcibly abducted, in
order to prevent him from giving his vote for the Gentleman who now
represented that county. There were two persons named, Watson and
Smith, concerned in that abduction; they inveigled the voter Gibson
to Iho house cf one of them, they made him drunk, and carried him
away in a state of insensibility, and forced him, despite his struggles,
into a post. chaise, in which he was rapiuly conveyed to an inn in the
country, and put to bed ; from that place he made his escape and was
pursued, but ultimately he got back to Ross in time to give his vote.
Now those two persons, on the recommendation of the Lord Lieutenant
of the county, had been appointed Justices of the Peace for that county.
A prosecution had been commenced against those persons—not by the
Crown, for the Crown had declined to prosecute, but on what ground he
could not conceive—but the person who had been abducted prosecuted
them himself, and, that being the case, he of course could not appear as
a witness, which he might have done if the Crown had prosecuted. The
prosecution was commenced ; the case could not be tried till the subse-
quent August ; but, strange to say, pendenle lite, the Noble and Learned
Lord on the Woolsack had appointed, on, the recommendation of the
Lord Lieutenant, those two individuals to be magistrates. One of them
was what was there called a hardware merchant, or, in plain Eng-
lish, an ironmonger. The other practised as a surgeon, and had
no property. He had heard that since he gave notice of his motion
the Noble and Learned Lord had issued a supersedeas.—(" No,"
from the Lord Chancellor.) Then they were still magistrates ;
and he was only surprised that the Noble and Learned Lord
had not done so. But, with regard to the result of the prosecu-
tioh after their appointment as Magistrates, the fact was, that whilst the
Jury was being struck, a proposition was made by the counsel for the
defendants to the counsel for the plaintiff; to the effect that the defen-
dants would consent to pay 251. damages and costs, as if a verdict had
been found for the plaintiff for that amount. The issues which were
to be tried embodied the facts which he had stated, and by their consent-
ing to a verdict against them for 251. the defendants admitted the
guilt ; and yet these men had been recommended by the Lord Lieute-
nant, appointed by the Lord Chancellor, and not superseded. They
had heard of strange cases of appointments of Magistrates in Ireland
and in England, but he thought that he had now found one that would
match them in Scotland. He imputed this to politics and nothing
el•e. The Lord Lieutenant of the county of Cromarty was a gentleman
of family and property, and a strong partisan of the present Govern.
meld, and therefore he supposed enjoying a greater degree of the emit.
dence of the Noble and Learned Lord. That Noble and Learned Lord
had hitherto been charged with not paying due deference to the Lorre,
Lieutenants of counties : he had certainly no such charge to make.
There was another case which he would mention, on the authority of a
letter received by the Hon. Member for the county of Ross, Sir.
M`Kenzie. It appeared that the Lord Lieutenant of the county of
Ross aas a Conservative; however in the list of names which he had
submitted to the Noble and Learned Lord he had recommended four
per,oes to be Justices of the Pesce who were law-ag >nts. Two of them
were Come vatives, and had been Magistrates before for some years,
but the other two whom he recommended were agents of the opposite
pa-ty, and tin se he had described le the list of bankers; notoriously,
however, they were I tw-agents.
Lord MELBOURNE—What do you mean by law-agents?
The Earl of ADDlNGTON—Solicitors or procurators, practising
in the Sheriffs' Court. Now what had been done with that list ? The
two who had been Magistrates before were struck off; and the other two
were put on. The Noble and Learned Lord had struck off the two
Conservative law. agents, and put on the two Whig law agents. He,
therefore, moved that a copy of the last Commission of the Peace be
laid on the table.
The LORD CH AWELLOR had never heard a more complete
proof of the impartiality of a Lord Lieutenant than that afforded by the
Noble. Earl. Under the provisions of the Act of Parliament, which be
held in his hands, no solicitor or procurator practising in the inferior
Courts could be a Justice of the Peace in the counties of Scotland. That
was the law which he was b and to obey; but when, in the exercise of
his office, he came to look t ver the lists of names he found that in many
lists there had beet alogi..t' ates who by that Act were disqualified ; it
was his duty to cot rect that error, and the names were therefore omitted.
But it appeere I hat the Lord Lieutenant of Ross.shire was a Con.
servative, and of course impartial ; but he was more ; he was not only
impartial, but he was very partial to the other side. The staeement
the Noble Earl was, that there were four persons in thel lit—two