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tar and eh( ere.) on.
The right h Gentleman
the member
for Droitwich may, I think, gather a lesson of wisdom from
the performance of his right hon. colleague. (Great laugh-
ter.) The right hon. member for Droitwich was far too ex-
plicit. He said the Ministers were unwise in bringing for-
ward the question of parliamentary reform at a ~ and he
condemned them entirely for so doing. He declared also
that their weakness in negotiation had brought on war,
and that they had thus proved themselves unfit for con-
ducting the affairs either of our foreign or domestic policy.
In answer to this my right hon. friend the member for
Morpeth says, promptly and naturally, why do you not
move a vote of want of confidence. (Loud cheers.) But
the right hon. gentleman the member for Bnckinghainshire
avoided any such difficulty—he avoids the humiliating con-
' fession that he thinks Ministers utterly unfit for conduct-
ing either our domestic or our foreign affairs, and yet that
he is afraid to brave the risk of moving for their exclusion.
No, sir, the right honourable gentleman the member
for Buckinghamshire has treated this question with more
skill. He indulges in general comments upon the observa-
tions which have fallen from different members. But he
satisfies himself with flowing periods—with the utterance
of sarcasms, which please his supporters, and leave him
and theta altogether unfettered. In this he resembles the
poet of whom it is said that—
" lie fagotted his notions as they fell,
And if they rhymed and rattled, all was well."
(Laughter.) The right hon. gentleman said that my right
hon. friend the member for Morpeth mentioned that I
need have co regard to my personal honour on this ques-
tion, and that the noble lord at the head of the Govern-
ment declared, on the other hand. that this was entirely a
question of personal honour. Sir, I conceive that both
meant the same thing. My right hon. friend said that I
would not oppose any regard to my personal honour to the
well-understood interests of the country—my noble friend
at the head of the Government declared that not only was
this a question connected with personal honour, but that
it was also connected with the interests of the country.
Sir, I should be ashamed of myself if I were to prefer a
concern for my own personaT reputation to that which I
understood to be for the interests of my country. (Cheers.)

occasion, and ho did it on this ground, that it was an inter-
ference with the details of a department which had far
better be left in the hands of the Executive. (Hear.) He
had never heard any complaints from his constituents on
the subject, who, as he said, dealt largely in the manufac-
ture of whisky, and without going into details, he was
satisfied that if it was not for the convenience of the
service, the Admiralty would not refuse to allow it to
be tried.
Mr. STAFFORD could not believe that the Admiralty,
in the course they took on this occasion, were considering
any interest, Irish or West Indian, or any effect of their
decision, except its effect upon the navy. The only means
of testing the proposition would be to serve particular ships
with whisky or gin instead of rum, and that, he thought,
would be a most dangerous experiment, considering how
long our seamen had been used to a particular spirit, and
how great was the pleasure they found in it. Though he
had every wish for the prosperity of Irish distillation, he
must vote against the proposition of the honourable gen-
tleman.

THE LONDON GAZETTE OF LAST NIGHT.

FOREIGN-OFFICE, MAReS 3.

The Queen has been pleased to approve of Mr. Henry
James Bath, as Consul, at Swansea, for the Republic of
Chili.
CROWN-OFFICE, MARCH 1.

MEMBER RETURNED TO SERVE IN THE PRESENT PARLIA-
MENT.
County of Louth—Chichester—Samuel Forteseue, Esq.,
of Red Souse, in the said county, one of the Lords Com-
missioners of hor Majesty's Treasury,

EXCHEQUER BILLS.
Notice is hereby given, that in the Exchequer Bills
about to be issued, on the 10th instant, an error, committed
by the engraver in the date of such bills, will be corrected
in red, by the substitution of 1854, for 1853.

MONTEAGLE.
Exchequer, March 3. Comptroller-General.
BOARD OF TRADE, WHITEHALL, MARCH 2.
The Right Hon. the Lords of the Committee of Privy
Council for Trade and Plantations have received, through.
the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, a copy of a Let-
ter from the Agent in this country of the King of the Sand-
wich Islands, inclosing the subjoined Notification respect-
ing,the increase iu the duties to be levied on the importa-
tion of certain kinds of merchandise into those Islands.
AN ACT TO INCREASE THE IMPORT DUTIES ON

The house divided—
For Mr. O'Brien's amendment
Against it
Majority against
PRIVATEERING

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Sir J. GRAHAM said that Mr. M. Gibson had given no-
tice that on Tuesday next he should move for the presenta-
tion-of an address to the Crown, stating that it was the opi-
nion of the house that privateering was a species of warfare
which ought not to be sanctioned by the British Government
and praying that her 'Majesty, in the exercise of her pre-
rogative, would not grant any letters of marque or reprisal
to the owners of any private vessels. He had now to in-
form the right hon. gentleman that the whole of the sub-
ject to which he had drawn attention was under the consi-
deration of her Majesty's Government, and that he (Sir J.
Graham) had a very confident persuasion that in a very
short time it would be his duty to call the attention of the
house to it. Perhaps, under these circumstances, the right
hon. gentleman would not press his motion on Tuesday
next ?
Mr. GIBSON said, in answer to the appeal of the right
hon. gentleman, that his motion was applicable as well to
a state of peace as to a state of impending war. His object
was to get a Parliamentary opinion on the policy of
privateering or of robbing merchant ships on the high
seas. But certainly if the Government were about to bring
the question before Parliament, he should be bound to
postpone his motion (Hear, hear.) Though in postponing
it he must reserve to himself the power of submitting to
the house the address he proposed, in case ho deemed it
necessary to do so, for the purpose of obtaining a Parlia-
mentary determination on the subject. He acceded to the
request of the postponement.
Mr. DISRAELI inquired whether any communication
on the subject of privateering had been made to any
foreign Government '?
Sir J. GRAHAM replied in the negative.
Mr. GIBSON asked the First Lord of the Admiralty to
state when he would bring this question before the house.
Sir J. GRAHAM answered that he hoped to be able to
announce the time next week.
ROMAN CATHOLIC SOLDIERS.

But it seems to me that the character Of the men Who rule
this country—whether they be at the moment in office or
in opposition—is of importance to the people of this country,
and that public confidence in their character is an act of

more value than almost anything else that can be named.
The fact is, that the confidence of the people in the cha-
racters of public men is that on which the security of the
country in a great degree depends. (Hear.) In treating
of this question the right hon. gentleman alluded to an
opinion of mine, that the fact of the State being at war
was not in itself a decisive reason against considering the
state of our representation with a view to reform. Sir, I
am justified in that opinion, because there have been two
great measures connected with representation—connected
with disfranchisement—conducted by two great Ministers
in the midst of two great wars. In 1706 Lord Somers, a
statesman' of the highest and most deserved reputation,
introduced a. measure which was not only a measure of
disfranchisement—which not only disfranchised 107 out
of 152 members returned for Scotland, but he thereby
provoked a whole nation, and caused for a time a state
of great discontent among one portion of the United
Kingdom. A century later Mr. Pitt, then Prime Mi-
nister, introduced a measure by which, out of 300 Irish
representatives, 200 were disfranchised, and he also
thus caused great discontent in that portion of the United
Kingdom. In the first case, Marlborough was conducting
his campaigns in Flanders ; in the second, Napoleon was
fighting the battle of Marengo. Yet these Ministers did
not think these wars a sufficient reason for not introducing
those great measures affecting the state of the representa-
tion. (Hear, hear.) Sir, the hon. baronet the member
for Westminster asks me to give him some further expla-
nation as to the course I shall take in the month of April.
Sir, I shall give no other explanation than I have given.
(Loud cheers) The hon. gentleman shall not hear from
me any attempt to explain to him further, or to satisfy
him in respect to my intentions or my views. The hon.
gentleman says that this proposition of Parliamentary re-
form may have been, and that he believes it is, altogether
a sham on my part. Sir, if that declaration hail come from
my hon. friend the member for Montrose—the true repre-
sentative of those reformers who agree with him in opinion
—I own I should have felt deep mortification ; but, coming
from the hon. gentleman the member for Westminster, who
has no right to speak in the name of reformers, I feel utter
indifference towards such an imputation. (Vehement
cheering.) The hon. gentleman perhaps does not know
that I conducted propositions for reform a long time before
he could take any part in public affairs. For ten years I
conducted reform questions in opposition to a man of no
less genius and eloquence and varied powers than Mr.
Canning. (Cheers.) In 1831 the Government to which I
belonged were twice defeated on their proposition of re-
form ; and yet in 1832 a large measure of reform was as-
sented to by the Crown, and accepted by the country.
Why, sir, after having fought these battles of reform, does
the hou. gentleman the member for Westminster think
that he has a right to teach me—(a burst of enthusiastic
cheering drowned the remainder of the clause) ; or that
my conduct will, in the slightest degree, depend upon any
question he may put, or on any taunt he may throw out ?
(Cheers.) I can assure the house that I approach the sub-
ject now—that I shall approach it at any future time—
with the deepest anxiety to promote the welfare of the coun-
try at large. I believe that the addition of large masses of
intelligent, independent, and honest men to the consti-
tuency of this -country would be a great strengthening
of our institutions. When I opposed the motion of my
hou. friend the member for Montrose, in 1848, thinking
that that was not a fit time for proposing large plans of re-
form, I thought at the same time that the temper, the
moderation, and the good sense which were shown by the
people of this country in 1841—(cheers)—demonstrated to
the conviction of any man who attended seriously to
the spirit of the people at that time—demonstrated that
large classes of the people who yet had no votes were fit
for the franchise, and that by being brought within the
pale of the representation they would confer a benefit upon
our institutions, whenever the House of Commons should
set itself seriously to consider the manner of adding to the
electoral body. Those views I still entertain, and enter-
taining them, as I said before, it is with the deepest sense
of their importance that I shall proceed on the next occa-
sion. (Loud cheers.)
Sir J. SHELLEY rose, but was met with loud cries of
" spoke, spoke." He said he should deeply regret if the
house (lid not afford him an opportunity to explain. What
he said was this—that unless Ministers persevered with
their measure, he feared the impression would go abroad
that it was never anything else than a sham ; but he added
that he himself did not believe that, and he would now
entreat the noble lord to persevere with the second reading.
Mr. DISRAELI—AIIow me to ask one question. Per-
haps I misunderstood the noble lord, but is it intended to
proceed with the second reading on the very day the house
insets after the Easter holidays, for that would be exceed-
ingly inconvenient ?

Mr. LUCAS directed attention to certain grievances
suffered, as he alleged, by the Roman Catholic soldiersand
sailors employed in the army and navy. These grievances
arose from the insufficient allowances granted for their
religious services, and from the bad pay and treatment of
the Roman Catholic chaplains. The hon. member sup-
ported his views by citing a large number of instances,
showing the nature and extent of the injustice of which he
complained, and insisted, in a speech of considerable
length, upon the necessity of providing some remedy.
Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT replied on behalf of the
army, pointing out the principles on which the present
arrangements were established and the difficulties of
altering them. He was endeavouring to contrive some
amelioration in certain details, among which he mentioned
some provisions for religious instruction in military pri-
sons, and a plan for regulating the pay of chaplains of all
persuasions.
Sir J. GRAHAM, speaking for the navy, said that the
established religion of the country was Protestant, and it
was impossible on boardsbiplo provide for more than one
religious persuasion. When in harbour he admitted that
no sufficient facilities were at present afforded to the Ro-
man Catholic sailors to attend service on shore. Arrange-
ments were however making, in concert with the prelates
of that Church, for supplying this defect in the principal
ports of the United Kingdom, as it had already been sup-
plied in Malta.
The subject then dropped, and the house went into com•
mittee of supply.

Lord J. RUSSELL—No ; if the house meet on Monday,
the second reading will stand fur the Thursday following.
The motion was then agreed to.
The report on supply was brought up.
HOME-MADE SPIRITS IN THE NAVY.

On the motion that the house go into committee of
supply,
Mr. P. O'BRIEN rose to move that it is the option of
this house that, prior to any future contract for the supply
of spirits for the use of her Majesty's navy being made, ten-
ders for the supply of home-made spirits be admitted. The
hon. member, in a very indistinct tone, proceeded to con-
tend that home-made spirits would be cheaper than rum,
especially at the present time, when the price of the lat-
ter article had been raised in consequence of the small
supply of stock on hand, and, further that the home-made
spirit was more wholesome in itself, and, if left to the
choice of the sailors, would no doubt be preferred by them,
as it was preferred in all private establishments. This was
not a distiller's question alone—it concerned the interests
of the people both of Scotland and Ireland, the latter es-
pecially, being an agricultural country. The establish.
ment of distilleries took of the inferior descriptions of
grain, which could not be used for other purposes, and
gave considerable employment to the people. He reminded
the house also that many men had recently entered the
navy, especially from the Irish Coast-guard, who had for
years been accustomed to the use of the home-made spirit,
and he thought their taste ought to be consulted.
Colonel I)UNNE seconded the motion.
Sir J. GRAHAM said this question was by no means a
new one ; it had frequently before been under the conside-
ration of the house. He was bound to say that he could
not agree to take a merely financial view of this question.
He believed that, at the present moment, it was true that
the price of rum was higher than the price of whisky ; but
he must state to the house that it would be extremely in-
convenient to the proper carrying on of discipline in the
navy if two kinds of spirits were issued to the menat one
and the same time. Now, from time immemorial, ruin
had been the spirit issued to the seamen ; it was according,
to the taste of the great majority, and at
i the present mo-
ment he must say it would be extremely inconsistent with
a sound policy if, on account of the higher price, this house
were to refuse them the spirit which they liked best. He
must, therefore, strongly deprecate any such change as
that which the hon. gentleman had proposed.
Mr. FITZSTEPHEN FRENCH said the only reason
the right hon. gentleman had given for not redressing this
grievance was that it was au old one. He said it would
disturb the discipline of the navy if a choice were allowed
to the sailors. But it seemed to be forgotten that a choice
was already allowed them in the articles of coffee and
cocoa, which were issued to the men at their option and no
harm was done. The home-made spirit was extensively
used in the mercantile navy, and if it were allowed on
board her Majesty's ships he had no doubt the same pre-
ference would be shown. But the truth was, this was the
last rag of protection, and it was strange that it should be
fought for by the right hon. baronet.
Mr. B. OSBORNE was surprised that his lion, friend the
member for Roscommon should seriously endeavour to
draw a parallel between the question of the comparative
value of whisky and rum and that of protection. Why,
beef was generally used in the navy, and the sheep farmers
of Sussex might as well complain that that was a case of
protection, because the navy did not use their mutton.
(Laughter.) His hon. friend, who represented a great
whisky interest, very natually pressed this question on the
house. But he would tell hie hon. friend that nothing
could be more dangerous than iuterfering with the victuals
and spirits used in the navy. Why, the mutiny of the
Nore was caused by the interference of some well-meaning
persons like his hon. friend the member for Roscommon.
But his hon. friend said that the mercantile navy preferred
the whisky. He challenged his hon. friend to prove that
assertion. There might be individual exceptions, but
through the mercantile marine the grog used was the same
as that on board the navy, and the fact that the greatest
consumption of rum took place at our great sea ports proved
that the seamen gave a decided preference to rum. This
was a question which might fairly be left to the discretion
of the Admiralty. The complaints came only from the
dealers in whisky. There were no complaints from the
seamen ; they did not find that men refused to enter be-
cause they could not get whisky. (Hear.) He warned the
house that nothing could be more dangerous than to meddle
with the petty comforts of the sailors, and therefore he
hoped the house would not interfere.

Colonel DUNNE congratulated the house on hearing the
hon. gentleman, whose voice, though it was seldom raised
of late, was always heard with great pleasure. He denied
that there would be anyinconvenienceinhaving two species
of spirits, and he believed that the only reason for refusing
the motion was the protection accorded to the West Indian
interest.

Mr. BELLEW said the right hon. baronet had not
used a single argument in favour of his view. When the
hon. gentleman the Secretary to the Admiralty followed
him he expected to hear some reasons from him, but his
only argument was—leave the matter in the hands of the
Lords of the Admiralty. It was said that sailors were fond
of rum, and he had no doubt that they did prefer it, be-
cause they were used toit, but if they were allowed a choice,
which he thought they might be without any inconvenience,
he had doubt that they would prefer the cheaper, and, as
he believed, the better spirit.
Mr. CRALTFORD said, as the representative of a dis-
trict that was largely interested in the whisky manufac-
ture, he might perhaps be permitted to state that he in-
tended to gopport her
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ARCH 4 1854.

b© First Lieutenant ; Henry Day Rybot to be First Lieu-
tenant ; Geoffrey Mairis to be First Lieutenant ; Charles
Sidney Williams to be First Lieutenant ; Charles Bullen
Hugh Mitchell to be First Lieutenant ; John Maitland
Lennox to be First Lieutenant; Thomas Bent to be First
Lieutenant ; John William Henry Chafyn Grove Morris
to be First Lieutenant.

COMMISSIONS SIGNED BY LORD LIEUTENANTS.

County of Devon—Sir Stafford Henry Northcote, Bart.,
to be Deputy Lieutenant ; Robert Porrett Collier, Esq , to
be Deputy Lieutenant, Jan. 28.
Devon Militia Artillery--Henry Bourehier Toke Wrey
to be Second Lieutenant, Dec. 27 ; Second Lieutenant
Brent to be First Lieutenant, vice Stevens, resigned ;
Henry Charles Devon to be Second Lieutenant, Tice Brent,
promoted, Jan. 28.
Ist Devon Regiment of Militia-=-Henry Arundell Mar-
tyn Farrant to be Ensign, Feb. 3.
Exeter and South Doren Volunteer Rifle Battalion—
Henry Barron Rodway to be Captain, vice Addington,
resigned, December 21.
West Kent Light Infantry Regiment of Militia—The
Right Honourable George Viscount Torrington to be Lieu-
tenant-Colonel, vice Moneypenny, deceased, Feb. 27.
East Kent Regiment of Militia—Drummond Bond Win-
grove, Gent., to be Lieutenant, Feb. 27.
Royal South Gloucester Light Infantry Regiment of
Militia—Charles Goolden, Gent., to be Ensign, March 2.
Hampshire Militia Artillery—Charles Starke, Gent., to
be Second Lieutenant, Feb. 13.

Hampshire Yeomanry Cavalry—Lieutenant Thomas
Willis Fleming to be Captain, vice Shrapnell, appointed
Barrack Master at Isle aux Noix, Feb. 14.

The Lord Chancellor has appointed the following gen-
tlemen to be Commissioners to administer oaths in the
High Court of Chancery :
Charles Anthony Branson, Sheffield.
Charles Thomas Jenkinson, Lonibard-street.
Edward John Cox Davies,- Crickhowell, Brecon.
William Denis Moore,-Exeter. -
George Batchelor, Newport, Monmouthshire.
William Harris, Stone-buildings, Lincoln's-inn.
Henry Dyte, King's Bench-walk, Temple.
Jobn Champley Rutter, Ely-place, Holborn.
Thomas Bisgood, Carey-street, Lincoln's-inn.
James George Dobinson, Lincoln's-inn-fields.
Jacob Michael, Red Lion-square and Old Jewry.
Charles Fiddey, Paper-buildings, Inner-temple.
Robert Bristow Berridge, Leicester.
William Stuart, Wolverhampton.
James Street, Manchester.
George Bradley, Castloford, Yorkshire.
Thomas Forster, Brampton, Cumberland.

BANKRUPTCY ANNULLED.

Robert Sorton Parry, bookseller, Leadenhall•street.
BANKRVPTS.

Robert Mnlock Wright and Joseph Smith Anstie, dry.
salters, Broken Wharf, Upper Thames-street, to surrender,
March 8, at two, and April 22, at twelve, at the Court of
Bankruptcy. Nicholson, official assignee, Basingball-
street ; Whittington, Dean-street, Finsbury.
Isaac Blackburn and William Sigismund Stiebel, iron-
founders, Leeds, March 17 and April 7, at eleven, at the
Leeds District Court. Young, official assignee, Leeds ;
Taylor, Bradford ; Blackburn Leeds.
Charles Hensley, surgeon, Broad-street, Golden-square,
March 14, at one, and April 11, at two, at the Court of
Bankruptcy. Lee,- official assignee, Moorgats-street ;
Preston, Austin-friars.
_

Henry Endacott, innkeeper, Okehampton, Devon, March
14, and April 19, at one, at the Exeter District Court.
Hirtzel, official assignee, Exeter ; Fryer, Exeter.
Joseph Horne, dealer and chapraltn, Leeds, March 23,
and April 7, at eleven, at the LeedsDistrictCourt. Young,
official assignee, Leeds ; Middleton, Leeds.
Job Eggleston, licensed victualler, St. Albans, Hertford,
March 14, and April 10, at one, at tho Court of Bank-
ruptcy. Stansfeld, official assignee; Buchanan, Basing-
hall-street.

Josiah Bradwell, butcher, Manchester, March 17, and
April 7, at twelve, at the Manchester District Court.
Hernarnan, official assignee, Manchester ; Heath, Man-
chester.

James Mitchell Lawton, Manchester, woollen and fus-
tian warehouseman, 15th March and sth April, at twelve,
at the Manchester District Court. Pott, official assignee,
Manchester; Sale, Worthington, and Shipman, Manches-
ter.

Alfred Eyre, merchant, Norland-square, Notting-hill,
Middlesex, March 14, at twelve, and April 11, at half-past
twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Bell, official
assignee, Coleman-street-buildings ; Dimmock and Burby,
Suffolk-lane.

Robert Nodes Newton and Thomas Godfrey Payne, gas
engineers, New Park-street, Southwark, March 14, at
two, and April 11, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy.
Lee, official assignee, Moorgate-street ; Lindsay and Mason,
Basinghall-street.
David Howell, builder, Serjeant's-inn, Fleet-street,
March 16, at one, and April 13, at half-past eleven, at the
Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson' official assignee, Basing-
hall-street; Charlton, Southamton-street, Fitzroy-square.
John Whitney, currier and leather dealer, Birkenhead,
March 14, and April 4, at eleven, at the Liverpool District
Court. Morgan, official assignee, Liverpool ; Tyrer,
Liverpool.
Thomas Tebbut, merchant, Manchester, March 23rd and
April 27th, at twelve, at the Manchester District Court.
Hernaman, official assignee, Manchester ; Norris, Man-
chester.

James Dowell, chemist and druggist, Birmingham,
March 2l and April 11, at twelve, at the Birmingham
District Oourt. Bittleston, official assignee, Birmingham ;
Smith, Birmingham.
DIVIDENDS DECLARED.
Joseph Frederick Mason, Dover. draper, first dividend
of ls. in the pound, payable at 35, 1100 bate-street, City,
on Wednesday, March 8, and three subsequentb Wednes-
days.
Alexander M`Kerrow, Kingston-upon-Hull, draper,
third and final eividend of 2s. lOd. in the pound, payable
at Quay-street-chambers, Hull, on any Tuesday.
William Salmon, Manchester, leather-seller, first divi-
dend of sid. in the pound, payable at 7, Charlotte-street,
Manchester, on any Tuesday.
William Haining, Cheltenham, grocer, first dividend of
3s. in the pound, payable at 19, St. Augustine's-place,
Bristol, on any Wednesday.