The Sun.
London, England, 1853-08-05 00:00:00

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SUN OFFICE, Seven, o' Clock.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

TIOUSE OF LORDS—(THIS EVENING.)
T h
, e LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the wool-
-41( at five o'clock.
P44/rci KINNAIRD presented petitions from Liver-
e%li Manchester, and other places, in favour of the
°lahination of Workmen Bill.
RUSSIA AND TURKEY.
1?1,11,C Marquis of CLANRICARDE gave notice that
131:4-elcnday he would call the attention of the Govern-
t lit to the treaties subsisting between Turkey and
1144.
/. COMBINATION OF WORKMEN BILL.
it;°rti KINNAIRD, in moving the second read-
sith° ill this bill, explained that its object was
hallY to explain the law of combination, which
tiC,scen variously interpreted by the legal autho-
the-°' , The bill had been carefully considered in
, house, and considering the great anxiety
6110 c prevailed amongst the working classes on this
hdect, and considering also the good conduct which
y characterised that class during the last few
as an' he thought their lordships ought to pass the bill
cliall act of justice. It did not in any way alter or
i lige the law, but simply placed the scope and mean-
°s• of existing acts beyond all doubt, and as a matter
I,Pediency it was right that the bill should be passed.
ll TRURO readily admitted that the law ought to
bp:ll4de as clear and distinct as they could well make it ;
4, as for the necessity of explaining the existing
• of combinations, he for one felt that there
10:17,,,i,nctie whatever. This bill contained provisions
abi" might lead to considerable misapprehension and
to—e, and their lordships should be cautious how they
billsanction to them.
u.he LORD CHANCELLOR felt persuaded that the
carried, would do harm to the parties whom it
all • intended to benefit. He entertained no doubt at
about the meaning of the existing law, and it was
Nat sufficient to accomplish all that the bill contem-
to ccl• The bill was intended. to enable workmen
b- Promote combinations amongst their own body,
pznYetelceable persuasion. What peaceable persuasion
ant he could not tell, but under the existing law
th Vtl,en were at liberty to combine together, provided
beee' it peaceably. There was consequently no
tc.BB'tY for this bill.
cut :r,.(!I:I,,ARDWICKE said this bill seemed to hold
the —°"ce to the public that combinations were to be
alrea°drd of "
the day. Now they had strikes enough
itself eYee;,irldeed they had seen the House of Commons
izrtpoerti_gchetd by a strike ; and he thought no encourage-
Lord zuasiric !:e afforded to such systems of " peace-
. Nvtv,lioartk. the KINNAIRD said the masters who combined
Were protected by the law, and it was somewhat hard
Mine protection should not be extended to the
Working classes. The present was certainly an inoppor-
e time for bringing forward such a measure, but it would
1, a great disappointment if their lordships rejected the
'asure. It would be hopeless, however, for him to
iit,'t`ggle against the feeling of the house, and he would
4therefore, press it to a division.
Alt e second reading was accordingly negatived with-
a division.
GOVERNMENT OF INDIA BILL.
eter7e -Earl of GRANVILLE then rose to move the
reading of this bill, and was
[LEFT SPEAKING.]

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PRIVATE BUSINESS. llan e Lords' amendments to the Electric Telegraph
i- and the 'Worcester and Hereford Railway Bill
"Nidered and agreed to.
IttliT.hef:olrliotwing bills were read a third tElmduecaantdiopnaSseceldio:oTs
k dngleY Free Grammar and General
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Athol,
6 4 Estate Estates
, J Piddocke's
e;suCslithceerloleegSechEoosltaEtest;ate : Duke of
!5.,--,.\''eWa.rd Jackson's Estate.
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BILL.ARRA N G E M E N T
In, the motion for the third reading
aof
thethis bill,ill be
re
jeet4. SPOONER rose to move
h
vikied• The bill, although standing
tnge have
nthe been eprivate pap
ill by a Public measure, and u
broughter
pt 0,,; the Government. It contained most extraordinary
South Sea
eoe,,"`slens, and gives the directors of h
tile-i'PanY Power to deal with more than 3,000,0001.
would 3, knowooo,ooo/.ot
aott:; stock, in a manner which the house
The standing
d ll'g of until a long time afterwards.
alleol'us4hhaditbeen suended in favour of the bill ; and,ilad
measure of vast importance, they
re
II:41d no statlvemasenatwlatever about it. True it was referred
in
hid 'ileidentall by the Chancellor of the Exchequer
Annuitant lit statement on the subject of the Southur aSneya..
thi ,-",lts, but lie could not gather from thatber
of
the
e01i,114., 'n the bill itself, that every .
31%• H-fr,.411Y, or at least so large a proportimonemoftbem as to
.","Y the house in passing the bill, had received nsouut
oSL"ger,Purport and intention of this bill. The
wash,
lie 41pany although a chartered compan
vtrth 1
ke e ess, a' partnership, and, there.fore, iny'law, a
pallasure of this nature to divert the capital of the coin-
t3;,frena the object for which it was subscribed, could
coin-
not;, made lega without the sanction of all thereda
part-
third Re concluded by moving that the bill be a
A,irtte this day three months.
that 4•,.."013-VERIE said the hon. member complained
but blit 48 bill had been brought forward asa
company,p ..
could4p it was promoted by an incorporated
way.it
It
• not have been introduced in any other
411v°Ived a wise and important public object, and he
%h it would receive the assent of thebirluswe.
edersb!
t - l'• EELLY said the effect of this t
pa Make the South Sea Company
4tikidY,a letahrro uY gi nhgtZ:tbeuhsainnegsesmight be advantageousthetl:ad
sanction of
as trusteaegsrfeoar other parties ;
I:ll°Ptilbet°ts, he contended that, withouth inogul
to the
thane Proprietors, it would be neithiserbmillo.reTnhoer
realless
op-- an act of spoliation to pass
.t in era.tions of this bill would be this, partiesuwudheorhthade
!.trPeated their mone in South Sea Stock,
-PreBsicul that it was for a articular purpose,
tbleiel)taid off without ceremony, if they did
consent to
cotliZratis of the bill. In point of fact, the South Sea
hll
Nv4a + Y was a copartnership, and the objecthe of
tt, the
compel the parties to dissolve partnership.
it, e assent of all the proprietors had bteenobeteauisnee,dbtuot
1,,,,,'?1 course his objections to the bill would
41A'neut that consent the bill was nothing more nor less
ionarticau act of spoliation. and the house ought therefore
fe,s Ject it. They were told, indeed, that the bill was
th"ded upon a resolution passed by the company, but
di: had no information as to how the resolution was,l
the prod or carried. They did not know whethera 1
ili,,'?proprietors entitled to vote agreed to it ; if they
t of course there would be an end to his opposition,
ilPen these points the house was as yet entirely in
the dark
aikitb,t. 'JEN-LEY suggested that the bill should be sent
l the select committee, with instructions especi-
to ally
?Pert the proportions of proprietors who assented
e 8 l. It was true the bill did not create a
l' 17 ewer,P but it created new powers and new objects,
a"u eh company were to carry out : and before such
change as that could be made in the constitution of the
iia..4lPalas, the house ought to be satisfied that it had been
iiieti!)ned by the great majority of the proprietors.
f, ,ee. bill was, however, objectionable on other grounds ;
Iv
.i.nstnce, it extended the principle of limited liability,
pain aortic of the clauses were so framed that the corn-
al could hold lands, a power which Parliament had
`;',!!'YEI refused to confer upon joint-stock companies.
falthe SOLICITOR-GENERAL insisted that it was a
Which"eY to suppose that this bill could not pass without
hetth-
ee
of every individual proprietor. The object for
company was originally established had been ac-
7rriPlithed, and the company was now virtually dissolved.
have''waa only fair, therefore, that the company should
the power of applying their funds to uses of present
public advantage, and considering that the assent of the
PrePrietors had been given to the bill in the usual
friolrauner, he thought the opposition was
quite uncalled
-‘lr. CARDWELL had exaltined the provisions of
this bill and he 114 d no doubt whatever as to its expo.
(144% or as to the necessity for pasting it. The policy

which the bill enunciated was approved of by the majo-
rity of the company, and the reason it was not investi-
gated by a public committee was 'simply that the
forms of the house required that it should be a pri-
vate bill. Being unopposed, it was referred to
the Chairman of Committees, who thoroughly exa-
mined its provisions, and reported it as unobjection-
able. Whence, then, arose this opposition ? The bill
had been approved of by the company in public meeting
assembled, and since the supposed absence of the con-
sent of the proprietors was the present ground of oppo-
sition, he thought the house ought to experience no dif-
ficulty in passing the measure.
The amendment was negatived without a division, and
the bill was read a third time and passed.
STANDING ORDERS REVISION COMMITTEE.

On the order of the day for the consideration of the
report of this committee,
Mr. W. PATTEN called the attention of the house
to the report, and, in accordance with its recommenda-
tions, moved the insertion of certain amendments in the
standing orders, which were agreed to.