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London, England, 1838-07-26 00:00:00

COLONIAL APPOINTMENTS.

Mr. HUNTE begged to ask the Secretary of the Colonies
whether, in the appointment of Mr. Edward Hay to the treasu-
rership of Trinidad, the precaution had been taken of having
two securities. Two of the former treasurers had been deficient,
and the amount had never been recovered by the country.
He wished also to know whether there would be any objection
to the publication, in some official form, of the appointments
made in the Colonies ? Some of the persons sent out, if their
names had been publicly known, would certainly never have
had their appointments confirmed. He thought it would be
expedient to have the names of these persons published in the
Gazette.

Sir G. GREY said in the case of Mr. Hay the proper pre-
caution of requiring securities had been taken, and his name
had been announced in the Gazette. All the Colonial ap-
pointments were so announced within the last year, although
there were some minor ones which could not be included,
NAVAL OFFICERS.

Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON then rose for the pur-
pose of calling the attention of the House to the injustice
done to the Officers of the Navy compared with those of
the other branches of the public service. He was aware
that thiQ was a subject that bad hitherto not been listened
to by the House very favourably, and he hoped the time was
not far distant when it would be attentively considered. He
would call the attention of the House to the Naval as
compared with the Civil Department. A good deal had been
said upon the discussion of the Pension List about the taking
away of pensions that had been hardly earned • those observa-
tions ought to be applied to the naval profession. There
was not any department of the service of the country
in which persons were required to perform more duties
than in the Navy.—( Hear.) Now in order to show the
injustice done to the Navy, he would state that an Admiral's
half-pay was 3761. 10s. ; his widow's pension, if in distress,
was 1201. ayear--while in many instances he could mention in
the civil service, persons retired with a pension of 1,0001. a year.
He found that a Deputy Judge-Advocate, who had refired,
did so upon an allowance of 9001. a-year ; whereas a Vice-
Admiral had only 5931., and a full Admiral 7661. Now he did
not say that these gentlemen were too well paid; but if they
were not, then the others, the veterans in the service,
had too little. Again, an officer was obliged to pay all his
life to what was called a Widows' Fund ; yet when he died,
the widow, according to Admiralty law, had no claim
whatever upon the fund unless she was in distress, and had
a less income than 2001. ; and even that allowance was
taken away upon a second marriage, which order had led to
much immorality. He found another instance of a First Clerk
to the Secretary of the Customs retired on an allowance of
5501., while a Captain in the Navy retired after a service of
28 years with an allowance of only 2641. 12s. 6d. Why he
demanded should these things be? It was gross injustice and
ought to be corrected, for sooner or later, if continued, it
would lead to most dangerous and disastrous results. There
was a gentleman who had served as clerk in the Admiralty,
and afterwards as Secretary to the Victualling Office—he
received, on retiring, 667/. ; while an Admiral, on his re-
tiring, received only 7661., and a Vice-Admiral only 5931.
He could not understand why it was that the officers of the
navy, who had to go through so many difficulties and priva-
tions, and who if they were wounded received no compensa-
tion, should be placed on a lower footing than any other class
of persons. He remembered a speech of Lord Castlereagh,
in which the Noble Lord said the Admiralty had no right to
interfere with the pay, which was allotted for a particular
purpose.
Lord J. RUSSELL here brought up the Report of the

Select Committee appointed to consider the Lords' Amend-
ments to the Irish Poor Law Bill, and moved that a Conference
take place with their Lordships, ts hiel) was agreed to
Sir EDWARD COD RINGTON resumed—The masters
in the dock-yards were also very unpleasantly circumstanced_
there was a great unwillingness to making acting masters full
masters, as they immediately went into other service rather
than remain in the navy. What inducement did the House
think was given to those men with a pay of St. a day to go
to sea, where they might be for years on a foreign station, and
whose outfit would cost them from lOU to 1501? Why,
the total amount of the increase was three pence per day.
He had already mentioned the case of the acting masters suf-
ficiently for his purpose. It was clear that surgeons in the
navy were not placed upon so good a footing as the surgeons
in the army. A surgeon in the army had more half-pay
after twenty-five years' service than a surgeon in the navy
after twenty-nine or thirty years' service. Since the
year 1813, no less than 100 surgeons in the army had been
promoted to a higher rank, while only one surgeon in the
navy had been promoted. How was this occasioned? Why
by the general injustice that was done to the navy.
The Hon. and Gallant Admiral was here interrupted by
Lord John Russell appearing at the B.a-, and stating that the
House of Lords had agreed to a Conference on the Amend-
ments to the Irish Poor-law Bill. The Noble Lord then
left the House followed by several Members.]
After an absence of half an hour,

Lord JOHN RUSSELL and the other Managers of the Confe-
rence returned, and reported that they had left the reasons
for disagreeing with their Lordships' amendments, with the
Lords appointed to manage the Conference.
Admiral COD R IN GTO N was then called upon to resume.
He said he was sorry at the interruptions he had met with, as it
made it appear as if he had detained the House too long. He
then had to come to the case of the pursers to which he was al-
luding when interrupted. In the case of the pursers, the late
alterations had put them in a worse situation than they vier, in
before. He remembered it was the practice to give something
handsome to secretaries; but now men who had been
secretaries—fully as important a situation as the Secretary of
the Admiralty, entrusted with most important documents,
and serving with great credit to themselves—were obliged to
retire on three shillings a day. He contended that
that was most discreditable to the Government.--( Hear. )
The Gallant Member went on to quote a declaration of Lord
Howick, as to the injustice of punishing officers for alleged
misconduct, which was only proved on hearsay, and after an
interval of ten or fifteen years. The officer whose case he
( Sir Edward Codrington) had now before the House had
been accused after a period of eleven years had elapsed.
[ Sir Edward then proceeded to read a passage from Lord
Stanley's speech on the Pension List, containing an elo-
quent appeal on behalf of veteran officers, or the widows
and orphans of gallant men, and expressed a hope
that the Noble Lord would transfer his sympathies from
these pensioners to the deserving Officers of the Navy.]
He moved that a Select Committee be appointed to take into
consideration the case of the Naval Officers as compared with
the other branches of the public service.
. .

Mr. WOOD said he would not accuse the Gallant Admiral
of intentional misstatement, but he certainly had with great
ingenuity misrepresentedthe case. The Heuse would remember
that early in the session a Commission was appointed to take
into consideration the pay, emoluments, and rewards of the
navy, army, and other branches of the public service.
Sir H. II al RD ING E expressed his dissent.
Mr WOOD conceived that Enquiry to have embraced the
pay and rewards. It had been stated that although in former
times thirty sail of the line could be sent to sea, it was now
impossible to send five. So far from that being the case, there
were now twenty sail of the Line at sea, and the navy was
never in a better condition, so far as preparation went.
With respect to the statements relative to the Navy Lieute-
nants, be would assert that he had very much misunder-
stood the facts of the case. A certain number of Lieu.
tenants had petitioned for increased rank without increased
pay, and when the Nava Board acceded to their prayer, the Hon.
and Gallant Member complained of the hardship of their case,
when it had been done at their own wish. With respect to
the case of Booth it appeared to him that the Honourable
and Gallant Member must have good reason to know that the
case was not as he had stated it. The man was most dis-
tinctly convicted of having presented a forged document.
The Gallant Officer had said to-day that though he would not
employ that Officer again, he would not deprive him of his
half-pay. In an assembly of gentlemen it was superfluous to
insist upon the necessity of preserving the character of the
service perfectly untarnished. If any officer on full pay and
in service committed an offence he was liable to be tried by
Courtmartial, and if found to have acted in a manner unbe-
coming an officer and a gentleman, be was dismissed the ser-
vice. With respect to officers on half pay, the Admiralty had
the power of causing inquiry to be made, and if the officer
was found to have acted improperly he was struck off the list.
With respect to applications made to the Admiralty by par-
ties to whom money was due from officers, to assist them in
recovering the same, the Admiralty, unless in cases where
there was an appearance of fraud or injustice, never interfered,
thinking it better to leave such matters to the ordinary civil
tribunals. All the Admirally felt bound to do, was to furnish
the correct address of the parties, and generally to forward
any communication on the subject to its proper destination.
In conclusion, he felt bound to oppose the motion, on the
public grounds he had stated.
Captain I'ECHE LL expressed his regret and disappoint-
ment at the mode in which his Hon. Friend, the Gallant Ad-
miral had been answered. Why was not his statement answered
by some of the Lords of the Admiralty ?—( Hear.) In the
Tory times thin was not the case, for whenever a case affecting
the department was brought forward, Sir J. Cockburn, or
some other Lord of the Admiralty, got up in his place to reply,
and the matter was not left, as on the present occasion, in the
hands of the Secretary to the Admiralty. The Hon. and Gal-
lant Officer proceeded to mention several cases which he con-
sidered to have involved great hardship to the officers of the
naval service. He contended that there was great unfairness
in the partiality shown to the army, whilst the naval service
was comparatively neglected.--( Hear, hear.) If a naval
officer lost all he possessed by the accident of shot or shell,
he received not one farthing of compensation, whilst a mili-
tary officer was compensated for any loss he ;might suffer
whilst on board a transport. He also alluded to the late dis-
tributions of the Honours of the Bath. He saw in the papers
whole columns of the names of the officers of the army and of
the East India Company on whom those honours were con-
ferred, whilst the distinctions conferred on the members of the
naval service were comprised in half-a-dozen lines. He did not
complain of any impropriety in conferring those distinctions
on the parties who had received them. What he objected to
was that the naval service was not more considered in refer-
ence to what it deserved. He would next allude to the hard
manner in which mates and midshipmen were dealt with in re-
spect to promotion. There were at present three midshipmen
in the service who were at least forty-one years of age ; thirty
who were thirty-four years of age; and forty-two who were at
least twenty-eight years of age. Now he thought it was hard
that such individuals as these did not receive promotion. With
respect to the naval service generally, his late Majesty showed
every disposition to encourage it. He employed naval officers
about his household, and sent them on foreign missions. He
( Captain Pechell) in conclusion, hoped that the motion of his
Gallant Friend would receive from the House that attention to
which it was so strongly entitled.
Mr. HUME would not object to the removal of any officer
whenever his conduct was found to merit it ; but many officers
had been removed from the service without ever having been
afforded the opportunity of being confronted with their accu-
sers or hearing the allegations against them. He contended
that no person should be struck off the list until after ne had
got a fair trial. But surely no one could pretend to say that
the naval service was a service of merit. It was a service of
influence, where none but the sons and connections of the aris-
tocracy had much chance of being promoted. Good men
were sometimes rewarded with promotion, but this was seldom,
and promotion was generally confined to the sons of the aristo-
cracy. He saw lately amongst the promotions the names of
Troubridge and Elliot, mere boys, and these were put over
the heads of men of merit who had served long and well.
Lord Minto had no right to promote his own son to the preju-
dice of others ; and as to the son of the Gallant Officer below
him ( Sir T. Trouhridge), what service could he have done to
entitle him to this promotion ?—( Cries of " His father's ser-
vices," and of " Order, order," from some Gallant Officers on
the Opposition Benches.) He concluded by supporting the
motion, and trusted that though late in the Session the Com-
mittee would be granted.

Sir E. CODRINGTON, in reference to the speech of the
Secretary of the Admiralty, said that he had moved for re-
turns which would prove the correctness or incorrectness of
his statements, and the Government had refused to grant
them.

Captain PECHELL said, with respect to what the Hon.
Member for Kilkenny had said as to the promotion of the
son of the Gallant Officer below him, that the name of
Troubridge was a name dear to the naval service of Great
Britain, arid even those who were themselves disappointed, as
well at the service generally, would rejoice at the continuance
in the service of one who bore that name.—( Hear.)
Sir J. GRAHAM said that though he was opposed to those
who sat on the opposite side, yet he would feel that he had
neglected his duty if he did not rise to express his strongest
dissent from the opinions that had been expressed by the
Hon. Member for Kilkenny.—( Hear, hear.) Much as he dif-
fe, ed from the Gallant Officer opposite, and much as he dis-
approved of his political course, yet he felt bound to say that
when a son of that Gallant Officer had served the full time to
entitle him to promotion, that anyone at the head of the Ad-
miralty would have failed in his duty if he had not taken the
earliest occasion, in the promotion of the son, to mark the
grateful recollection which the Government and the country
entertained of the distinguished services of those who bore
that name.—( Cheers.) That House or the country would
never lose the grateful recollection of the immortal services
of the distinguished father of the Gallant Officer opposite (Sir
T. Troubridge). That Gallant Officer had distinguished
himself by his brilliant services to his country, in whose ser-
vice be had lost his life.—( Hear, hear.) That Gallant Officer
possessed the confidence of that great Commander with whom
he served, and he proved that that confidence was not ill be-
stowed, for he proved himself worthy of that confidence, and
ultimately lost his life in the service of his country.—( Hear,
hear.) With respect to the Gallant Officer opposite, no one
could have discharged his duty in a better manner, arid as be
had a son in the service, it was the duty of the Admiralty to
show the gratitude of the country by promoting him. With
respect to Lord Minto, though differing from the Govern-
ment, he ( Sir J. Graham) did not hesitate to say that that
Noble Lord would not have discharged his duty if he shrank
from promoting the son because he sat at the same Board with
the father.—( Cheers.) As to Lord Minto having promoted
his own son, he thought he was perfectly justified in giving
him the benefit of his station ; and if he had a son in the navy
when he was Lord of the Admiralty he would have felt per-
fectly justified, supposing that he deserved it, in giving him

'he benefit of his station by promoting him The Right Hon.
Bar net conelud, d by ,aying that ,ame
been made resp: ctiog th.• at n . I
his opinion it never xas in a better or mute efficient state. lie
,pposed the motion.
Mr. WARBURTON said he did not rise for the purpose
of making any objection to the promotion of the two officers
whose names had been mentioned, but to enter his protest
against the general principle of promotion laid down by his
Right Hon. Friend opposite. If they looked back to the
histories of Chatham and of Pitt they would find that the
greatest glory of those great men was, thay looked abroad
for meritorious objects for promotion instead of lavishing the
p tranage of office upon their own families and connections.
—( Hear, hear.)
Sr T. TROUBRIDGE said it had been his intention to
have attempted a reply to the remarks of the Gallant Admiral,
but that he was totally incapacited by the attack just made
on the promotion of his son.—( Hear.) It was painful to hint
to be placed in a situation like the present, but be bad the
consolation of hoping that the House and the country would
not concur in the remarks of his Right Hon. Friend opposite.
—(Cheers ) They were kindly, and, he hoped, sincerely ex-
pressed—(" Hear," from Sir James Graham)—and would,
he felt confident, be universally responded to by his brother
officers.—( Hear, hear.) He bad conversed with many of
them, sonic of whom were disappointed themselves in their
hopes of promotion, and he bad not heard from one of them
word against the promotion of the grandson of two Admiral*
who had served their country faithfully to the end of the
war.—( Hear.) He hoped that the state of his feeling; would
be sufficient apology for not entering more fully into the ques-
tion before the House —( Cheers.)
Captain G 0 R DON said that the Hon. Member for Kii'
kenny could not have made a more unfortunate selection of Is
case of unfair promotion, as the name of Troubridge was is
itself sufficient justification for the promotion of his grandson-
-( Cheers. )
Captain BO LDE RO disliked the way in which the Gal'
lint Officer had brought forward li:s motion. He did net thinlG
the navy required the interference of the House.
Sir E. CODRINGTON disclaimed any wish to blame the
prom ,turn of the offices whose names had been mentioned:
but he thought the son of Commodore Bathurst, who died at
Navarino, should not have been overlooked.—( Hear.)
Admiral ADAM said that he would commence his observa-
tions by replying to the charge of the Gallant Captain opPo'
site. In the case of Lieutenant Gill, he could say that that
officer had been offered a court martial, and had refused it,
and the decision to which the Admiralty afterwards came was
solely influenced by the facts of his case.
Captain BOL DE RO—Yes ; but you refused him charges'
Admiral A DAMS—I am speaking of facts.
Captain BO LDE RO—So am I. _ _

Admiral ADAMS slid that the remarks of the Hon. Mow
ber had been received in such a way by the House as to pre. "
elude the necessity of further remark. It was not the WISP
of Government that promotion should be unfairly given, bl
it was thought necessary for the service that some young bloo
should be infused into it, so that when officers were wantinc.
for active duty they might not be wanting.—( Hear, hear.) IL
was on these grounds promotion was given, and he defied the
Hon. Member for Kilkenny to prove, if he bad twenty Cora'
mittees, that wrong or unfair promotion had taken place. I.°
be sure many meritorious officers bad been passed over, but
it was impossible to satisfy the claims of all. His Gallant
Friend had complained of the late distribution of the honour'
of the Bath to officers in the navy ; for this he could only ill
that a long time since the Noble Lord, the Member for No 'h
Lancashire, came down with a Message from the Crown °L!
the subject of those honours, and it was by that the present
Government had been guided.
Sir H. HA RDINGE said it was always with reluctance b°
took part in discussions like this present, as he did not like t°
hear of the army or navy making the House of Commons
Court of Appeal.—( Hear, hear.) Perhaps there migt tbe ef'
ceptions in which such a course would be justifiable, but be
had not heard anythine• from either of the Gallant Officers t°
think that any such had been brought forward on the preset;
occasion. That House was not the proper place for sect
discussions, but a Commission was now sitting, and the Galls°
Officers could lay their cases before that Commission, whedre;
he had no doubt, they would receive every attention. P,;(
quite agreed with his Right Hon. Friend that the services "
the fattier formed a valid reason for promoting the son.
the
Lord INGESTRE regretted that he had not been in
Houle during the a hole of the discussion, but he took this oF:
poi tunly of expressing his surpise that the son of Con3o°_,
dore Bathurst was not included in the late promotiona•—d
(Hear, hear.) He was quite of opinion that the Hon.'? ,
Commons was not the fit place for discussing these civill
which, in his opinion, should be left entirely under the COy
trout of the Crown.
A Imiral ADAMS said that the son of Commodoreo
Pa hurt happened not to be in the list of those who had iseo
marked out for promotion, but he ( Admiral Adams) had p
doubt that his claims would be attended to.
The amendment was then negatived without a division, allodi
th . Order of the Day read for going into a Committee,.,
S .pply. The Committee was then postponed until Moe"'
next.
On the motion for the second reading of the Spirit License°
(Ireland) Bill.
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An HON. MEMBER moved that the House be counted, °id
there being but thirty-three Members present, the House P
jourued at Half-past Seven o'clock.

MANAGEMENT OF BEES.--Those who are tie;
rested in the eccnomy of the Bee Hive, and who would know
aid, without frustrating the admirable in_s_j,incts of its wonderful Wl"' jot
ants, will find in a little work which kg just appeared, a concentrat
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of most valuable information. ',The work is entitled" The Manage°o,
of Bees, including a Description of the Lady's Safety Hive " The a
pt
thor observes, " I do tot 'hesitate to affirm that the system at Pr7o,
followed by nine-tenths of the Keepers of Bees is built on error and,,,ffle
tiquated prejudices," and his object has been to shew in whet.

error', consists, and to apply safe, effective, and practical remedies.
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I'SE YORKSHIRE TOO.—At the opening of 0.,
Crown Court at York on Monday, a circumstance transpired which
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forded considerable amusement. A person summoned upon the_os.
applied to Mr. Justice Williams to be excused on account of dePrai oable,
His Lordship, with the shrewdness for which he was always remark
oces
immediately put the question in rather an undertone, " Have Yet!, yelf
long troubled with deafness ?" The deaf man (unsuspectinglY)- 105
my Lord." The Judge (dropping his voice a little more)—':nosl,
think you could hear if you were in front of the box ?" The
(not suspecting the drift of his Lordship's questions)—" I do not th
lnr
could." The Judge (speaking in a voice little better than a whi'Pesr"
Does your deafness improve as the day advances?. newly' op
" No, my Lord, it does not." Loud peals of laughter followed enchqueti•
tion, and when the last answer was given the Court was almost conl.-.,0011
It is needless to add that his Lordship considered him a proper re
to sit on the jury.—Durham Advertiser. tes
ENCKE'S COMET.—This comet, which eotnre
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its revolution in 1,200 days, will be visible in the ensuing autualpe'
will be in its perihelion, or part of its orbit nearest the sun, on 15w lt
comber, and about the same period it will also be nearest the earri!„.
is (says Monsieur Arago) a vast nebulosity, 64,000 times larger
lume than the earth; yet such is the tenuity of its substance that in
the
Sir William Herschel was able to discern through its mass a star of
20th magnitude.
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A youth, aged 16, named Hendrie, whose par,rei,
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day morning, in the Regent's Canal. It appears that young Hentheir
with several of his companions, went to the Canal, and were trying ..00
skill in swimming, diving, &c., when, by some unforeseen circuln''''
Hendrie got out of his depth. He struggled long and laborioulost
his endeavours proved ineffectual. When taken out it was found
he was dead.

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