The Sun.
London, England, 1838-06-08 00:00:00

Lord PA LMER ST 0 N was una le to say what the spat i h
if Government coitempluted.

AFFAIRS OF T[TIMEY.

Sir S. CAN.Nf;YG eingtheNoble Lord the Secretary
for Foreign Affairs in iiiB place, wished to ask him a
question respeting a matter th,t had appeared in the
papers a few clays ego, stating on the authority of let-
ters from Tcultutse that orders had been ismed by the French
Government, directing their Admiral on the coat of Algiers
to intercept tin Turkish squadron, fer the purpose, as stated
in the French jeurnal-, of proven i ..ng the comma:l4.qr from
landing any su;,ply of men for the use of the Bey of Tunis.
The question was, whether the Noble Lord was ,wart. of Jily
orders issued by tl:e French Government to involve the pro-
bability of approiehirg hostilities between them and the Go-
vernment of Tunis ?

Lord PALMERSTON said he hal received no inferno.-
tion on the subject, and having asked the Charge d'Affairca of'
Fra:.`ee at this Court if he knew anything of the matter, he said
he bad received no information. He had not vet had an answer
to the enquiry wr!iich he thought it necessary to make at Parig
through the English Ambassador. At the same time he did
not believe there was any foundation for the report. Her
Majesty's Government had the most distinct assuraeces from
the French Government, that it Ind no intention whatever of
taking any hostile proceedinas against the territory of Tunis.
He should rather think that the report o7.4inated from a cir-
cumstance which took place last year.
AFFAIRS OF PERSIA.
Mr. MILES said the House would recollect that some time
ago a grievous insult had been offered to her Majostsy's Mi-
nister in Persia. That Minister deman,led reparation, and
had expressed a determination, if that reparation were. not satis-
factory, he would take the course which alone beearne the ho-
nour of this country. He wished to ask the Noble Lord whether
!le.had received any intelligence of that reparation heving been
effere* and if the reparation had beee refused, whether
he had talon any such measures as the lannuage lie
had held w-0:21d induce the House. to - suppose he
would take. At the same time lie wished to ask
whether the Noble Loro bad received any information of the
progress of the siege of Teinrall.
Lord PALNIERSTON
acc,erding to the lest dis-
H.jelay arisen • it;
patches received from Mr. M'Neil, some
the arrival of his messenger, ; but 31e. Altrieji had received ale
answer which was not satijactory. In the enean thee, thee
siege of Teheran having continued four 'or five months, cir-
cumstances hid induced Mr. M'Neil to go laireseif to
camp of the Schein and the last despatch was deten eleven
days' journey from Teheran.
OUTRAGES IN IRELAND.
Colonel PERCEVAL begged to ask the Noble Lord the
Secretary for Ireland a question, of which he had given him
notice. A respectable merchant, residing is Collooney. near
Slit o, named Kelly, had erected extensive 'there,
and through circumstances had been reduced to borrows emir of
money which was secured upon the premises. Tie premises
were subsequently let to a Scotch merchant, named Sim, who
took a lease of the premises on the opposite bank of the river.
UME rose to order. He wished to know, as the
statements of the Hon. Member were likely to lead to con-
troversy, whether any other Member would be allowed to
answer him ?
The SPEAKER was of opinion that the fronocrable
Member was rather waking a statement than asking a question.
Colonel PERCEVAL would bow to the decision of tine
Chair. Notices had been posted on all the Roman Catholic;
Chapels in the county of Sligo, cautioning the people not to
sell any corn, or to work for this gentlemen.
Mr. O'CONNELL rose to order. They had no oppor-
tunity of contradicting these statements.
Colonel PERCEVAL was stating what was strictly true.
He wished to ask whether the Government bad any 4forma-
tion as to the facts he bad stated, and what steps the Govern-
ment intended to take to put an end to those dieastrous con-
sequences?
Lord MORPETH said that the circumstances alluded
to by the Hon. and Gallant Member had been brought under
the notice of the Government, and they had thought eliem
grave enough to induce them to order a special inquiry to .1-)c•
made by the Stipendi,ry magistrate, Mr. Tracey, and h&
hoped the result of that inquiry would be to make all parties
who had anything to do with the matter amenable to justice.
Colonel PERCEVAL had another question to ask. He
wished to know whether the Government had iceeived
any information of a most brutal murder that had been
committed on a miller in the town of Ballyenoote,.
in the county of Sligo. lie (Colonel Pereeval) had received
information of the fact, and also of the finding of the inquest,
who had brought_ in a verdict of Wilful Murder. He
wished to know whether it was the intention of the
Government to order the stipendiary Magistrate to investigate
the subject.
Lord MO R PETH said that no details had reached him as
yet of the murder.
Col. PERCEVAL—Then am I to understand that the
Noble Lord has not heard cf it ?
Lord MORPETH—Yes.

Mr. HUME wished to ask the Noble Lord whether ho had
received any account of a murder that bad been committed at
Lambeth, on a person of the Lame of Grimwood.—( Laughter. )
Colonel PERCEV AL (with great warmth) Said that this
might be a laugkble eircutilstance to some persons, but it
was not to him. He thought it ill became the Hen. Mem-
ber for Kilkenny to taunt iilia, and turn what he had stated
into ridicule.—(Cheers.)
Mr. HUME denied that he had taunted the Honour-
able and Gallant 'Member, but he wished to know whether
he meant to say, that he (Mr. H.) was not at liberty to ask a
question, because the Hon. and Gallant Member ha:i asked
a similar one.—(Great cheering! and laughter.)
ISLE OF MAN.
Mr. AGLIONBY wished to ask tl.e Chancellor of the
Exchequer to bring in a Bill with reference to the importation
of Leer, which had taken place in large' quantities from the
Isle of Man. He asked the question fair the purpose of satis-
fying the brewers of Cumberland, to 4%hom the subject was
one of very great importance.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the practice had arisen fro7n the state of the law-
All the inconvenience arose from a mistake, not on the part of
the officers, and he had a Bill in preparation which would give
the parties entire relief.
PRINCIPALITY OF WALES.

Mr. 0. GORE then rose to move ,or a Select Committee
to consider the subjects contained in a petition from the
landowners and others in Wales. The subject was one of
importance, and he was sorry it had no, fallen into better
hands. The subject had already been discussed twice in the
House ; the first time in the reign ofWilliam 111., who wished
to bestow the Crown property in Wales upon a faithful follOYier
the Earl of Portland ; but the House interfered and prevented
it, because it would cause a collision between the siehts and
privileges of the Crown and the occupiers.—(l tear, hear.) -
It was discussed again in 1799, when a Mr. Roberts
was about to be sent into Wales with a roving ems-anis-
slots, in order to extort what he could from the iuhabitants-
la the former case there was a specific sum to be paid as
salary to the Commissioner ; but now he was to be paid
by a per ventage upon the receipts of the Crown Lands. He
then read a long extract front one of Mr. Burke's speeches
upon the appointment of the Commissioner in his days.
On that occasion rents were exacted where they had never
been exacted before, and manors were created where
manors had never before existed. It was far this reason that
he called in question the right of the Croivn to have any
manors or possessions in Wales. Such a thing as a manor
was never known among the Welsh Princes. It was It;:ash time
for the gentlemen of Wales to look to their interests .when
they were bearded in their own halls by the insolence of under-
lings in dice, who knew nothing of the language, manners, or
usages of the people amongst whom they were sent. It wag
high time when courts baronial and feet were attempted to be
established in places where they had nearer before been heard
of—when the agents of the Crown crgaged the people in liti
gious warfare by taking advantage of the uncertain state of
the law. It was high time for a people brave but quiet,
proud though humble, loyel though patriotic —aye, loyal te
the back trone—it was time for them to look to the rights and
interests which were thus about to be invaded. He would
be the last person who would desire to see the Cronin
abridged of one particle of its privileges, but neither woulrf
he submit to any invasion of the rights of the subject to
his private property. Not by open power or strength was the
attempt made, as on a former occasion. It was now about:
to be done by the insidious efforts of tuna trained in Somerset
House to all legal subtleties, and prectied in legal cajolerics.
Against the attempts of such as these he called upon the I-louse
to throw its protective shield over those who were the deetined
victims. If a Committee were granted, he would be able to
-show the injustice which wee about to be committed. \\ hat-
ever rights the Crown of England acquired in \`; ales were
such only as had been pesseneed by the native princes, r.nd
lie
was prepared to show that rights manorial were:net:et- amongst
these. The attempts made to establish manorial tights. were
most outrageous., One Noble Lord had been wereed off his
own land by a person whom nobody knew. He protested, in
the name of the people of Waler. against any attemptenthe
part of the Crown to claim baronial rights in that principeeity.
Whet he spoke of the Crown he desired to be umietsteoto as
meaning the uodetliegs of office, who by these proveedings
harassed subjects who were prepared to go furtLer ie protee-
tiOn of the privileges of the Crown than any- of toe same
underlings would dare go. There was a cure bast year In which
a claim was made on the property of Mr. Wynd, but that rn-
tlenian brought farward a grant made by Jame; the ,F,iret.
If this doenMent had nut been discovered, the right of
Wynte would be in some hazard ; but fortunately it la intta
the hands cfone who was able to read it, and, on it= faodn-
tion, the claini of the Crown was ebaf;doued. 'lbis case of
claim was not singular ; similar ones occurred alLover V'ales.
The House might perhaps think that" the;e were • eases foe
Court, of law.--( Hear, Lean.,) wee glad to. hear that
cheer ; het he would advise those Who ;rave It to consider that
in all actions of This sort the Crown paid tie costs. Vic (;rover.,
as l•ed been dow, tight men of straw fur it-• te.,aant
in
the di;puted property, and then how were actions i%'t' en-
CrOaChrnent to be entered into but at a certain, and periesals
ruinous expense ?—( Hear, bear.) There was aneraer
upon whom these attempts pressed with great ,severity.
lle
meant those poor persons whreby extra labour had t•rnesnetitted
to their successors sonic little patrimony in the laud. - .Theea
poor people were made the principal objects of. exaction. Not
only were claims made upon them, but they • Nere threatened
with actions for arrears, and made to pay pure base money as
tenants for what had been in their families uoweeds . of 'sixty
years. He had not yet adverted to Crown rents ; tit'oree rents
had been demanded in the most oppressive form ; they had been
demanded for the not
and ieconsiderabie .nuridensoof
land. Nay more, they had been demanded from individuals
wile were net in possession of the land from which they mecca
claimed, and whose answer was, " Show us those larids for
which you demand Crown vents?" lithe House would rrant
bins a Committee he would be enabled to prove before them
• all the facts which were stated in the petition whichie had