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ter& of a kind occasionally which are considered eonfiden.: 1
tial, and the object of which would be defeated if the
public' were made aware of all the circumstances.
The Chairman—What kind of expenditure is there that
a public body like a corporation ought to incur which it
should not be ready to put before the world with the
greatest detail?
Mr. Scott—lt was considered that matters connected
with the establishment of a newspaper were of a confiden-
tial nature.
The Chairman—ls there any other object or class of ob-
jects in pursuing which a corporation, dealing with the
public money, ought not to put before its constituents
moss fully all the details of its expenditure ?
Mr. Scott—l am not aware of any case of that kind, un-
less it may sometimes be the confidential expenditure of a
legal officer acting under professional confidence in behalf
of his clients.
Mr. C. Lewis—Do you consider expenses incurred in
parliamentary proceedings to be of such a nature ?
Mr. Scott—Expenses incurred in parliamentary pro-
ceedings are sometimes considered to be of a confidential
nature.
Mr. C. Lewis—Have these expenses been considerable ?
Mr. Scott—The opposition to bills in Parliament has
often entailed considerable expense on the corporation.
The Chairman—Do you mean opposition to private bills?

Scott —I am not aware of that being the case in re-
gard to private bills.
The Chairman— Do you mean that any expenditure on
parliamentary proceedings cannot be fully stated ?
Mr. Scott—l have no knowledge of any such.
The Chairman—Do you believe that there is any other
expenditure, beyond what yon have stated, which can be
called of a confidential nature, and which ought not to bo
made public ?
Mr. Scott—l am not aware of any expenditure of which
a perfect knowledge does not exist in the minds of those
who have to administer the funds, namely, the sub or
select committee, rather than the general body.
The Chairman—l suppose no such expenditure could
take place without your knowledge?
Mr. Scott —Not' likely._

The Chairman—ls there any system of managing the ex-
penditure of the City under which money is spent on what
you call private and confidential purposes, and of which
money no detailed account is rendered?
Mr. Ssott—There are many entries in the accounts of
which the totals are given without the details.

The Chairman—Does that arise from simple convenience,
or because it is thought there is some reason why the de-
tails should not' be published ?
Mr. Scott—Full details would not be published of par-
liamentary expenditure ; the totals would be stated.
,The Chairman—ls that because there is anything in its
nature which ought not to appear, or merely that it is not
thought necessary to give details ?
Mr. Scott—lt is not thought desirable to publish to the
world the precise nature of parliamentary expenditure.
The Chairman—Why not ?
Mr. Scott—lt has been considered undesirable.
The Chairman—But tell us why ?
Mr. Scott—Because it is not thought advisable that the
other party should know the precise mode in which the
opposition to a bill is carried on, or how public opinion is
elicited. Mr. Scott then proceeded to give evidence on
other points. He wished to correct some of the state-
ments made by Mr. Williams, M.P., before the com-
mission. That gentleman had stated the expenses of
the mayoralty in 1836 at 25,031/. ; but when the
report of Mr. Williams's committee making this
assertion came to be considered, it was found that
there were abatements to be made which reduced
the amount to 14,2521. instead of 25,0341. Mr. Williams's
committee's figures were called in question, the report was
referred back to them, but no amended report was after-
wards made. Mr. Williams also conveyed an exaggerated
impression to the commission of the amount of the salaries
an .1 emoluments of the corporate officers. That gentleman
stated that a committee of the corporation, which sat in
1836, reported large discrepancies between the returns
msde to the committee by the officers of their own emolu-
ments and the Chamberlain's account of those emoluments.
The cause of these discrepancies was, that the Chamberlain's
accounts stated the actual amount paid to the officers, and
the returns made to the committee gave the nett receipts of
each officer, after deducting the expenses of his office. Mr.
Bennoch had stated that, although a considerable sum
(19,625/i) appeared under the head of model lodging-houses
for the poor in the corporate accounts, yet not one of these
buildin&s had been commenced. Now, the answer to that
was, that when the Clerkenwell Improvement Act was
passed the improvement committee of the corporation was
authorised to purchase ground for the sites of dwellings
for the poor in that neighbourhood ; and of the sum of
43,0001. entrusted to them for this purpose they em-
ployed 19,4801. in buying ground at Cow-cross, which was
covered with knackers' yards and other nuisances. They
proceeded to clear the ground accordingly, but they were
served. with notices by a projected. railway company (which
was about to apply to Parliament) that the property would
be required by them, and the exertions of the committee
wore suspended, and still remained so, until Parliament
should Getermine whether the land would be required
by the railway—the Parliamentary notices having been
renewed from 3 ear to year. The corporation had no
power under the Act of Parliament to purchase land
for dwellings for the poor in any other locality than
Clerkenwell. The allowance to five committees be-
tween the years 1892 and 1809 amounted to 4,4861. 19s. ;
and in 1835-4-5 the total allowance to committees (which
had increased in number from five to thirteen) amounted
only to 4,6621. 19s. 6d. That amount had been still further
reduced, and was now, only 2,7501. for fifteen committees.
The Chamberlain acts as treasurer or banker to a great
variety of trust funds, the corporation fund being one of
them. Sir J. Key Attends in the office daily, and for a
great number of hours. It has generally been the habit of
the person holding the office of Chamberlain to perform
the duties himself, and to devote considerable time to the
. discharge of them. The duties of the Chamberlain and those
of the chief clerk are entirely distinct. The Chamberlain is
the responsible officer and gives a large seeurity and he ex-
ercises a moral control over the whole office. He also hears
complaints against apprentices in the outer chamber. The
statement of Mr. Williams that fees to the extent of 70,0001:
a-year had been received by the officers of the corporation,
which did not appear in any of the accounts, was a very ex-
aggerated statem• nt but he (Mr. Scott)could not tell what the
exact amount of those fees was. The practice of late years
had been to abolish fees, and substitute fixed salaries in
lieu of them. Great reforms had also been effected in the
Chamberlain's office. In 1842, 3,6001. was returned as tho
annual receipts of Sir J. Shaw as chamberlain. This was
considered as excessive, and had since been reduced to
2,5001., and beyond that there was a considerable saving
effected yearly, because the proceeds of the Chamberlain's
office were now more than sufficient for the whole of its
expenses. 20,0001. out of these profits had been invested
in Consols for the relief of the various trust funds ; and
in the current year 1,7001. would be devoted to this pur-
pose. The net produce of the Bd. coal tax last year was
113,6001., and that of the Id. tax about 13,0001. The
City had no interest in 9d. out of the 13d. per ton levied
on coal, beyond a charge of 88,000/. for improve-
ments at Clerkenwell, which would come upon the Lon-
don-bridge approaches fund. With respect to the 4d. coal
tax there was a charge upon its proceeds of more than half
a million. The City paid the interest of that amount out
of the 4cl. tax, but it provided no sinking fund. They
could pay off 40,0001. of the principal next month, and the
rest would be applied to the general purposes of the cor-
poration. The sums due to the Board of Works on the
Bd. rate, en the sth of January, 1853, exclusive of the
88,0001. for the Clerkenwell improvements, was 961,0001.
The amount of the produce of the coal tax expended within
the City was 1.190,8211.• expended without the City,
987,9001. ; and there was of expenditure of a mixed cha-
racter 1,818,2211. more ; making a total of 3,996,5431.
The City being the heart of the metropolis, the improve-
ments effected there must always be more or less beneficial
to the extremities. Ho (Mr. Scott) had contesisecl the
election to the office of Chamberlain at the last vacancy,
and his election expenses altogether amounted to about
3,0001. This sum was spent upon polling lists, lists of
voters, advertising addresses, dm, canvassers' and clerks
salaries, cab-hire, refreshment to voters, and people em-
ployed, and money paid to persons who brought up voters
to poll. A great deal of money went at an election without a
candidate knowing how it went. The expenses of bringing
up non-resident voters were not large. Large sums went
for refreshments to the committee-room, over which a can-
didate had no check. He dared say about • 1,0001. was
swallowed up in tavern expenses. At a City election, peo-
ple- whether friends or foes—ate and drank at the candi-
date's expense. He had no personal knowledge of bribery
at the late contest, and believed that his agents had kept
themselves as clear of corruption as was pc.eisible at a City
election ; but charges for loss of time might have been
made, which were a consideration to certain men for
voting.
Mr. C. Lewis—Are the elections at common hall con-
ducted in a satisfactory manner ?
Mr. Scott—No ; I should say, far from satisfactory. The
poll might be taken in one day, instead of in seven. The
livery are a highly respectable body ; but the electors were
practically in the hands of persons who were not real bona
fide liverymen at all. There were no two opinions about
that in the City. There is a class of liverymen in reduced
circumstances, and who are receiving charity from their
companies, and these men are tempted by a day's employ-
ment, or by bribes, to sell their votes. Then there were
the class who perjured themselves, and who'personated
voters, upon whom there appeared no chock at present ;
'and a candidate, however honourable his intentions might
be, was -victimised by being supported, as well as opposed,
by that spurious class of voters-
Mrs C. Lewis—Do you believe that the last election for
the office of Chamberlain was largely influenced by this
class of persona?
Mr. Scott—l would rather speak generally of the elec-
tions than confine myself to any one in particular • and I
believe that the elections are virtually decided by the low
class of voters to which I refer, who, by throwing their
weight into the scale, swamp the influence of the respect-
able portion of the livery. This evil, I believe, might be
corrected, otherwise I would abolish the existing mode of
election.
Mr. &sod!, examination eras not concluded when the
commissioners adjourned till Thursday.

MA.
Liverpool -S-pring 1
Doncaster Spring 7
Salisbury
Coventry Spring • l4

,Cll.

AP.
Croxton Park 4
Epsom Spring ..... .., 6
Cheltenham Spring 12
Newmarket Craven 17

Newmarket F S
Chester Spring 9
Lothians & Edinburgh 11
Newmarket S S l6
Shrewsbury lB
Manchester
Ascot Heath. l3
Newcastle-on-Tyne 2O
Hampton 2l
Carlisle 26

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clubs were admitted into the Royal Caledonian Curling
Club—twelve belonging to Scotland, one to England,
and three to the Canadian branch. There are mow 270
associated clubs, embracing about 12,000 members.
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Ipswich 13

NIDON,
,FRIDAY EVENING, JANUARY 131_1854.

T-1-EDGWARE-ROAD NIGHTLY _REFUGE

FOR THE POOR.

At the Westminster Police-court, John Abbot was
charged with receiving money under the false pretence
that he was the collector for the West-end Refuge for
the Houseless Poor in Market-street, Edgware-road.
It was shown, on the prisoner's previous examination,
that a person named Guyenette was the manager of the
refuge, and prisoner, up to 1850 his collector, was em-
powered to give receipts to the benevolent in his name.
The charge against the accused was that, since his dis-
missal, he had waited upon Mr. Locke, M.P., and
periodically drawn his guinea subscription, giving the
receipts as before in the name of Guyenette.
In remanding the case, Mr. Broderip observed that a
new complexion had been put upon it by Mr. Wontner
in his cross-examination. This was called a society,
when it seemed very questionable indeed whether it was
not the property of the witness Guyenette, who had
been examined at such length, and the benevolent pub-
lic were contributing to what they believed to be a
society. There were bill transactions and other things
which did not redound to witness's character, and he,
after what he had heard, should take till Thursday to
determine upon the case, and should take bail for pri-
soner's appearance. He hoped the public would be put
upon their guard against this so-called society.
Yesterday Mr. Herring, a solicitor, appeared to con-
duct the prosecution, at which Mr. Broderip expressed
his satisfaction, and then proceed to make further in-
quires about the institution.

It appeared from the admission of this gentleman that
Guyenette had managed the society fifteen years, and
that the lease of the premises was in his name. Mr.
Herring was proceeding to say that Lord Dudley Stuart
was one of the acting committee, when
Mr. Wontner informed the court that his lordship
seceded from the "society" in 1852, for sufficient rea-
sons.

Mr. Broderip asked where were the books of the
society which should have been produced on that day,
and was informed that they were at the institution. He
then asked what was the income of the refuge ?
Mr. Herring said that Mr. Walker, one of the com-
mittee present, had just told him it was about 801.
Mr. Broderip intimated to the solicitor that he had
been told on the last occasion that 7,700 persons had
been relieved last winter. How could that be?

Guyenette said that the receipts last year amounted•
to about 21Q(. or 2151. _ _

Mr. Broderip wished to know the names of the audi
tors of the society.

Mr. Herring replied that Mr. Brazier had audited
them.

M►r. Broderip thought it a most unusual thing for a
treasurer to audit his own accounts, and Mr. Brazier
had been represented as the treasurer.
Mr. Herring Admitted that there were no regular
auditors. The account was made up, and duly sub-
mitted to the subscribers for inspection.
Mr. Broderip—l can get nothing tangible to show that
this is a real society—no books, no auditors, Mr. Her.
ring. lam asking for the bona fides of a society, and
can't get them. I wish Mr. Guyeuette to be sworn.
The oath having been administered,
Mr. Broderip —I wish to ask you a question. You
will understand it is not with any wish to be offensive to
you. I ask it in consequence of a letter I have received
—Were you not tried at the Old Bailey on the 17th of
June, 1853, for uttering a forged note ?
Guyenette—l was.
Mr. Broderip—You told me it was a false charge, and
that an action was now depending on it. •
Gueyenette—l did. I was accused innocently.
Mr. Broderip—When did you give notice of action
Guyenette—l am not versed in the law. I was told
there was a summons or something necessary.
Mr. Broderip—For your own sake answer the ques-
tion cautiously, for you may hear of it elsewhere. I
ask you upon your oath whether you have given notice
of action at all ?
Guyenette—You may ask my attorney, Mr. Herring.
Mr. Broderip here read the letter alluded to from Mr.
West, who had prosecuted Guyenette at the Old Bailey,
in which he declared, that having seen in the newspapers
that Guyenette had said an action was pending, he
begged to assure the magistrate that he had received no
notice of action.

Mr. Herring said that a' writ was issued, but, from
circumstances; he proceeded no further.
Mr. Broderip—l have no doubt that from what I have
seen of your knowledge and experience as a lawyer, for
which you were entitled to much credit, you acted very
wisely.

Broderip (to Guyenette)—How came you to
swear, when last here, that you were acquitted by Mr.
Bingham, at Marlborough-street ?
Mr, Herring explained that Mr. Bingham thought
there would be no conviction, and would not have com-
mitted, but was pressed by Mr. Duncombe for the prose-
cution, and then took small bail for Mr. Guyenette's
appearance. _ .

Broderip—How can I believe this man ? He
swore distinctly that he was acquitted by Mr. Bingham,
and kept back the fact that his acquittal was at the Old
Bailey. The trial was the 17th of June, and after six
months he comes here and swears an action was pending.
Mr. Herring was free to admit that after the meeting
of 1852 the institution did assume the appearance of a
private society. After that Mr Bzazier and others con-
sented to be committeemen. Private or public it had
done much good.
Mr. Wontner having said something in favour of his
client's former respectability and affluence,
Mr. Broderip observed that there was no merit in the
prisoner's, whatever there might be on the other side. If
Guyenette did owe him money he had no right to have
paid himself at the expense of Mr. Locke. Under the
circumstances he would wish to know how Mr. Herring
could shape this case for a prosecution.
Mr. Herring admitted that he saw no probability of
getting a conviction upon the evidence of Guyenette,
and therefore withdrew the prosecution.
Prisoner was then discharged.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

TATTERSALL'S-YESTERDAY.

A scanty attendance, and business very slack. Only
the following bets were laid :
METROPOLITAN STAKES.
25 to 1 agst Virago (to 1001.).
CHESTER CUP.
30 to 1 agst Virago (to a pony).
40 to 1 agst Aldford (to a ditto).
40 to 1 agst Newminster (to a ditto).
40 to 1 agst Brown Brandy (laid seven times).
1000 to 15 agst Bridesmaid (do. do.).
1000 to 15 agst Aquila (laid twice).
1000 to 15 agst Trifle (taken).
1200 to 100 agst Virago, Aldford, and Newmin-
ster (taken).
DERBY.
8i to 1 agst Bing Torn (to 1001.).
40 to 1 agst Scythian (to a pony).
1300 to 200 would have been taken about Autocrat.

At the Club on Wednesday, 425 to 50 was taken about
King Tom, 875 to 25 about Scythian, and 3000 to 60
Brother to Chanticleer.

OAKS.
4to 1 agst Meteora (to 501.).

THE TRAPPER.—This horse belongs to Mr. Payne,
and is in Dockeray's stable at Epsom. He was bought
when a yearling.

RACINt FIXTURES FOR 1854.
The Jockey Club having determined to commence
their season on Easter Monday (April 17), the princi-
pal meetings—supposing the usual arrangements are ob-
served—will stand as under. Should the stewards, in
any instance, determine to vary the fixture, it will be
advisable, as a guide to other 4, to give us immediate
notice :

FEBRUARY.
Newton Spring 2 I Lincoln Spring 14
Derby Spring

Warwick Spring 21
Catterick 27
Northampton 29
Abergavenny 30
IL.

Catterick Bridge 19
Abergavenny 2O
York Spring 25
Malton 27
►Y.

Lothians and EdinburghlB
Lewes l9
Bath 23
Liverpool Hunt Spring 24
Epsom 30
UNE.

Bibury 2B
Stockbridge 29
Ludlow - 30
Winchester 3O

Stourbridge l7
Stamford ...... lB
Nottingham 90
Goodwood
Ripon 81

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