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LONDON :
TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 6, 1833.

In the HOUSE of LORDS last night two petitions and some
papers were laid on the table; a question asked was un-
answered, and then their Lordships' heard Mr. Roebuck at
the Bar against the Canada Government Bill. The House
• assumed a somewhat animated and novel appearance. No
sooner was Mr. Roebuck ordered to be called in than several
Peers quitted their usual scats and stationed themselves on the
benches near the Bar. Sir Wm. Molcsworth and several
Hon. Members of the other House, whose opinions upon
the Canada question are in accordance with those advocated
by Mr. Roebuck, were present during the whole evening.
For the Learned Gentleman's speech, the delivery or
which occupied two hours, we refer to our l'arliameniary re-
port. At its conclusion, Lord BROUGH Am stated that it was
probable that at a future stage oc. the Bill, he should
trove that Mr. Roebuck be allo-med to examine witnesses at
the Bar, to prove the allega':ions in his address. The Bill
was then committed and reported, and the third reading was
fixed for Thursday.
The Earl of AnEatr:,as inquired if Sir John Colborne would
bare authority to, ".iarry the provisions of the Bill into effect
before the ar''..val of Lord DURHAM in Canada.
Lord cLENELo replied, that Sir John Colborne would
have a. discretionary power to enforce the provisions of the
Act,, if he thought necessary, before the arrival of Earl
bran Am.
The House adjourned at Eight o'clock.
In the HOUSE OF COMMONS a larger than ordinary number
'of Petitions were presented from various parts of the country
for the attainment of the Ballot, and of other objects more or
less conducive to good Government, and to the carrying out
the principles of earnest and real Reformers. We refer to
some of them with satisfaction as evidences at once of the
wants of the country, and of a growing determinetion upon the
part of the people to obtain their just and rz,asonable demands.
In answer to a question cut by Lord EBRINGTON, alluding to
the recent less of the KU/iv-net/ steamer, Mr. P. THomsoN
said, that the Governta-,nt had not had time to investigate the
circumstances ; bur that it was unquestionably of the greatest
importance to a',certain, whether in regard to steam-boats ge-
nerally somP restrictions could not be made as to the quantity
of live stack shipped on board those vsssels, similiar to those
restrie':ions which existed in regard to other passage-boats.
ran the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, the Order of the
Day for the second reading of the Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill
'was read.
A discussion followed in which Mr. O'Connell said that
he should oppose the Bill on going into Committee ; and
amongst other rather remarkable assertions, the Learned
Gentlman declared that " Ireland was too poor for a Pc ,r
Law !"
On the Order of the Day for committing the 137.rliamentary
Electors and Freemen's Bill, some interesting discussion en-
sued, which, in connection with M. Dl.lNcomtsg's amendment
for getting rid of some of the 'many existing impediments to a
free and fair representat;;rn of the community at large, we
have noticed in a sepa':ate article.
Mr. LABOUCHE?"& moved, in Committee, a resolution to the
ex
effamineect that leav,.. should be given to him to bring in a Bill to
the regulations of the coal-market in the metropolis.
The Court of Session (Scotland) Bill went through Corn-
mittcn.
'On the motion of Mr. WARBURTON the Members' Qualifica-
tion Bill was read a second time, and committed for Thursday
The House adjourned shortly before Twelve o'Clock.
Th

ie reason which Lord BROUGHAM has given
or not supporting Ministers, and which Lord MEL-
; OURNE'S indiscreet attack rather unfortunately for:
hien elicited, is another proof of the miscleievous
ffects of Lord JOHN RUSSELL'S declarations re-
"pecting the Ballot. " Let them," said his Lordship,
retract their declaration against Reform, or let them
ithout any retracte.tion bring forward Liberal and Con-
stitutional measures, they will have no more zealous
supporter t'nan myself." This avowal is responded to
y every Reformer throughout the country. Re-
, otmers became lukewarm in their support of the
Iklinistry previous to the meeting of Parliament, and
n proportion as the Cabinet had cooled in their
ardour for Reform, the unexpected denouncement of
the ,Ballot, the praise of the Constituency amidst
rich the tenants at will make such a conspicuous
'gum, and the animadversions made by the Home
k‘ecretary on that very class that carried the Reform
:ill and restored the present men to office, have
sunk deep into the minds of all who three years
ago ardently prayed for their success. Never
/was more determined or more cordial support
given to a Statesman by the people, than that given to
Lord MELBOURNE after he was ejected from office in
1834 ; and Lord BROUGHAM certainly never was so
effective in the House of Lords as he was while the
struggle lasted, and (luring- the whole of the Session
of 1835. What. would Ministers do without him in
the Lords ?—_was the universal question ; and what is
the caus::: that a very different question is in every
mare's mouth now ?—their declaration against Reform.
We call it their declaration—for it was expressed by
their organ in the House of Commons, and has never
been disowned in either House by one of them.
When the Duke of WELLINGTON denounced all
Parliamentary Reform, his skilful lieutenant, Sir
GEORGE MURRAY, Sa.v; that he had advanced too
far, and by professions and manoeuvres prepared for
retreat; but ne, one, not even Mr. ELLICE, has volun-
teered the same aid to Lord JOHN RUSSELL. The
two periods too are not dissimilar. The ex-
citement in favour of Reform, in 1830, was great,
and WELLINGTON'S declaration carried it to excess.
The scenes of intimidation, bribery, and corruption,
that took place during the last election made thou-
sands of converts to the Ballot, and after the srech
of Lord JOHN RUSSELL at Stroud, after his voltm-
tary-statement that he proposed the Ballot in the ori-
ginal Raorin 112:11, and after his repeated declarations
that if intimidation and bribery should be found to
defeat the free exercise of the elective franchise, the
peor:le would have no remedy but the Ballot, could
any Member say the Duke of WELLINGTON showed
more want of discretion in 1830 than his Lordship
allowed in 1837, when he not only denounced the
3allot, but bestowed his praises on those intelligent
constitweeits whose representatives have ever opposed
him in every great measure of Reform? Never did
the declaration of a public man give such a shock to
Reformers. That of the Duke of WELLINGTON
came from an enemy, but this came from a friend,
411 d at the unpropitious period too when thou-
sands, after supporting a Reforgi Ministry for
seven years, were suffering under the persecution,
the indignities, and the losses caused by Tory
landlords and Tory customers ; on the former oc-
casion HENRY BROUGHAM was the great leader
in the cause of Reform in the House of Commons,
and by a singular coincidence, added to the strange
conduct of his former colleagues, he is now the promi-
nent leader in the same cause in the House of Lords.
For the sake of the country, and for the security of
the Ministry, we earnestly hope the evil is not without
remedy. None but Lord JOHN RUSSELL has corn-
Eitted himself—several cannot alter declared opinions
ithout loss of character and the loss of their scats at
e next election—the cry for the Ballot was never so
loud or general, and no motion for this Session will be
looked to with such anxiety as that which Mr. G ROTE
brings on next week.

The Irish Poor-law Bill was read a second time in
the House of Commons last night, after sustaining a
fierce attack from Mr. O'CoNNELL. The Hon. and
Learned Gentleman neutralized his opposition by