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London, England, 1853-04-13 00:00:00

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SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clock,

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-(THIS DAY.

The SPEAKER took the chair at 12 o'clock.
Sir R. H. INGLIS presented petitions against the
opening of the Crystal Palace on Sundays, against the
Jew bill, against the abolition of Scotch university tests,
and against Maynooth.
Sir E. FILMER presented a petition against the Jew
bill.

-
Admiral GORDON presented a petition from Aber-
deen, against Maynooth.
Mr. CHRISTOPHER presented petitions from places
in Lincolnshire, against the admission of Jews into Par-
liament. _ _ _

Mr. O'MORGAN presented a petition from a place in
Monmouthshire, against the county rate expenditure.
Mr. FITZGERALD presented a petition from Dub-
lin, praying for the amendment of certain defects of the
Registration Act.
Sir G. STRICKLA.ND presented a petition from the
proprietors of the Prestcm, Guardian, praying for the
abolition of the advertisement duty.
Mr. HADFIELD presented a petition from Sheffield
to the same effect.

iord LOVAINE and Capt. SCOBELL presented
similar petitions.

Mr. gPOONER presented a petition from Birming-
ham against the opening of the Crystal Palace on
Sun days. _
___

Mr. W. PATTEN presented a similar petition from
Lancaster.

Mr. BOUVERIE presented a petition from Glasgow,
and other places, against the Public House (Scotland)
Bill, and also petitions against the Scotch University
Tests.
COUNTY ELECTIONS POLLS (SCOTLAND)
BILL.

On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Mr. DUNLOP moved that it be an instruction to the
committee to extend to boroughs a provision of the bill
repealing a clause of a former act, prohibiting county
polls from being commenced on a Saturday.
Agreed to.

Tile house then went into committee on this bill.
Clause 1 was agreed to.
On clause 2,
Mr. F. MACKENZIE moved the omission of certain
words giving a power of appeal to the Lord-Advocate
from the Sheriff with respect to the nomination of addi-
tional poling places. He thought the appeal ought to be
to the Sheriff's Appeal Act.
After some discussion, the committee divided, when
there appeared—
... •^^
KQ

For the omission
Against it

Majority ll
The words were, consequently, retained, and the
clause was agreed t..
Clause 3 was agreed to.

On clause 4,

Mr. HUME moved the omission of the words by
which polls were prohibited from being held on Monday.
Mr. DUNLOP supported the clause as it stood, be-
cause the feelings of the people of Scotland was strongly
against the desecration of the Sabbath, and he con-
sidered that appointing Monday as a polling day, would
lead to such desecration.

Mr. LOCKHART reminded the hon. member for
Montrose, that in some parts of Scotland the railways
were stopped on Sunday, and consequently, persons
who had to travel from a distance, would not be able to
get a Monday's poll.
Mr. HUME said be was perfectly aware that
the Scotch people had been so foolish in many
instances ; but he saw no reason why the monomania
of certain individuals who sought to make thefr con-
science the rule of other person's conduct, should be
an argument for making the law of Scotland different
from that of England.
After some further discussion, the committee di-
vided, when there appeared—
For the omission
Against it 6O

Majority
The clause as amended was then agreed to
Cause 5 was then agreed to.
Mr. ELLIOTT then moved the following clauses :
That every county voter (except as hereinafter provided)
shall poll at the polling place of the district within which
the premises, or part of them, in respect of which he
claims to vote may be situate ; provided that nothing
herein contained shall be held to repeal or alter
the ninth section of the seventy-eighth chapter of
the statute passed in the fifth and sixth years of
his said Majesty, respecting freeholders in counties.
Any county voter not being a freeholder, and not resi-
dent in the district containing the premises in respect of
which he claims to vote, may make application in per-
son by writing to the Sheriff, at the Registration Court
of the county, to be entitled to poll at the polling place
nearest to his residence; and the Sheriff, on being satis-
fied of the truth of the statements of such voter,
shall insert in the list against the name of the voter
making such application, the name of the poll-
ing place at which such person shall be registered to
vote, and such voter shall thereafter be entitled to vote
at such polling place ; and shall not be at liberty to poll
at any other polling place for the same county. Where
the polling place for a district containing the premises
in respect of which any voter claims to vote shall be in
an island distant more than ten miles from the main-
land of the county, such voter not being resident
in the island may poll at the polling place for the
district in which the county town is included. With
respect to section 33 of the said first-mentioned
statute, be it enacted, that where the sheriff shall not
have received the poll-books, transmitted from any
island, within the time therein limited for the opening
thereof, the sheriff may adjourn the point for the decla-
ration of the state and result of the poll from day to
day, omitting Sunday, and shall at the first of such ad-
journed courts after the receipt of such poll-books pro-
ceed to declare the poll, and make proclamation and
a return in the manner therein mentioned.
Agreed to.
Mr. FREDERICK DTJNDAS moved the following
proviso :—Provided always, that in respect of the re-
mote situation of certain parts of the county of Orkney
and Shetland, and the occasional difficult intercommu-
nication therein, nothing in this act contained shall alter
the provisions of the said recited act so far as relates to
the keeping open of the poll for two consecutive days as
heretofore ; but nothing in this proviso contained shall
be construed to exclude the said county of Orkney and
Shetland from any of the benefits or obligations of the
other portions of this act.
After a short discussion the proviso was agreed to.
Mr. DUNLOP moved the following amendments :
Page 1 (preamble), line 4, after " places," insert, "and
also to repeal so much of the act of the second and
third years of the reign of his late Majesty King
William the Fourth, chapter sixty-five, as enacts, that
no poll, whether in counties or burghs, shall begin on a
Saturday, and to amend the regulations for taking the
poll in counties and burghs."
Agreed to.
The house then resumed.
JUDGES EXCLUSION BILL.

On the second reading of this bill being proposed,
Lord PALMERSTON said he thought there were
valid objections against the passing of the bill. In ac•
cordance with the generous spirit of our constitution' the
doors of Parliament ought to be open as widely as possi-
ble to all who could assist them in debate. There were
instances in which that principle might be departed
from. There were persons holding official situations
which would prevent them properly discharging the du-
ties of a member of Parliament unless they neglected
their other functions, and there were others who, from
filling certain offices, were considered to be too much under
the influence of the Crown to be independent and self-
willed members of the house. But it was not advisable
to carry the principle of exclusion further than strong
necessity or apparent advantage required. No doubt
there were some judges whose duties were incompatible
with their attendance in the house, and whose appear-
ance would not perhaps contribute to the independence
of its character, but he did not think the Master of the
Rolls, to whose exclusion the- present bill was chiefly
directed, was one of those functionaries. For a great
length of time many eminent Masters of the Rolls had
held a seat in the house, and greatly assisted it in its de-
liberations. He recollected that Sir Wm. Grant, who
was a master of the Rolls, brought to the discussions in
the house the aid of deep learning and extensive infor-
mation on matters of high importance, which members
generally had little studied, while they at the same time
maintained a perfect independence of character. If the
house excluded the Master of the Rolls because he was a
judicial officer, he did not see how they could omit to apply
the_ same principle to the Cursitor Baron of the
Exchequer recorders and chairmen of quarter sessions.
ttencown.sidered that it was manifestly absurd to shut out
toe g h
ho, above all others, were particularly qualified
them added to house
in debate, and whose presence among
Mr. mmixitts
thought
and character. (Hear.)
judicial functions of
it was incompatible with the
the Master of the Rolls to have a
seat in the houses ofiut thet present time there was a vast
amount of arrears e Court of Chancery, and he
asked whether it Was caolcsitent with the proper dis-
charge of his duties as
of that court to take a
part in an election comniitdee/
He considered that
every one of the judges included in the schedule of
in the house.
the bill ought to be precluded from
that
sittings m
Sir F. KELLY regretted
member of the house as Lord Palmerstondistinguished a
tian g in
the bill. In his opinion there was somthsihould oppose
inconsist-
entsomething
in the position of the Master of the R
the house. With only two exceptions he
highest judicial officer in the country, the Lord Chan
cellor and the Chief Justice of England being only his
superiors in rank. Supposing he expressed an opinion
upon a legal matter which would be binding out
of the house, and the house decided against it,
that circumstance would certainly not increase the
respect and confidence with which he was looked upon
by the public. There were also scenes connected with
the election of members, especially in large boroughs,
which derogated from the dignity of the office, and
lessened that esteem in which the superior judges of the
land had invariably been held. He trusted that the Go-
vernment would not oppose the second reading.
Mr. V. SMITH said the speech of the hon. and
learned member was calculated to cast a stain upon all
popular assemblies. He did not know what experience
he might have had in elections, but he could

not allow it to be said that the pursuit for a
seat in the house was a matter of personal indignity.
(Hear.) He thought the experience and judgment of
the Master of the Rolls would be most valuable to the
house, and he should, therefore, oppose any measure
which required his exclusion.
. Sir J. PAKINGTON did not think it could be fairly
contended that the chairman of the Quarter Sessions was
to be treated as a judicial officer, as he received no salary,
was not appointed by the Crown, and was not recognised
either by the law or the constitution. He held that the
whole spirit of our recent legislation had been to exclude
judicial officers from the house, as evidenced by the
County Courts Act, which disqualified the judges of
those tribunals from being members of Parliament.
Mr. EWART said that judges were admitted into the
representative assemblies. of America, and he had not
heard that their presence had tended to injure legisla-
tion, or to bring it into disrepute. He considered that
the qualification of the Master of the Rolls to sit in the
house was a remnant, and not an innovation, of our old
constitution, and believing that his attendance in the
house would be o great advantage to members, he
should support the amendment.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he had the greatest possible
objection to limiting the choice of the constituent
body of the country. He disliked it, on principle, because
he thought that the people at large should not be re-
strained in selecting men of eminent ability to represent
them. (Hear.) He likewise thought that such a course
tended very much to the degradation of the house, for
the presence of men of great learning and eminent abili-
ties gave lustre to it, and led to the preservation of its
authority and dignity. Sir James Grant, Sir Joseph
Jekyll, and Lord Lyndhurst had all sat in the house
while Masters of the Rolls, and they had not only dis-
played great powers in debate, but greatly assisted the
transaction of business by their legal learning and infor-
mation. Mr. Pitt had said that he did not like to sit
in the House of Commons as Prime Minister unless there
were some members qualified to give opinions upon im-•
portant questions of law. He (Lord J. Russell) did not
think that any person could seriously entertain the belief
that the Master of the Rolls in the event of being elected
a member would necessarily neglect his Parliamentary
duties, or that because he sat in the Court of Chancery
in the morning, he would not be able to attend the house
in the afternoon. It had been objectzid that if he were
a member of the house he would not be able to sit upon
election committees, but that was the case with all the
officers of the chief departments of the State, and they
were exempted from the attendance upon such com-
mittees. It was also said that the turmoil of an
election contest was unfitted for the holder of
so distinguished an office, but if a person of
well-known abilities succeeded in obtaining the confi-
dence of a constituency, they would return him easily,
and, in the majority of instances, perhaps without
opposition. He hoped the house would not as-
sent to the bill, and deprive it of the advantages
which had been obtained from such eminent men as
Sir William Grant and Lord Stowell. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. ATHERTON supported the bill. He quite sub-
scribed to the objection of the noble lord, that constitu-
encies should not be limited in their choice ; but the
number of judges in the country was so small, that he
did not think their exclusion would have such an effect,
while he believed it would tend to the more efficient per-
formance of their duties in their respective courts.
Mr. WHITESIDE thanked the noble lord (Lord
Hotham) for introducing Irish judges into the schedule
of the bill. He hoped the house would agree to the
second reading.
Lord HOTHAM having briefly stated the reasons
why he had introduced the measure,
The bill was read a second time.
COUNTY RATES AND EXPENDITURE BILL.
The house then went into committee on this bill.
On clause 4,
Sir J. PAKINGTON moved the insertion of an

amendment, the effect of which was to keep the magiq-
trates' boards as at present, but to allow the introduc-
tion of certain elected members. He thought there
would be serious practical difficulties in the way of
making such a prodigious change in the management of
the expenditure of counties as was proposed by the bill.
Mr. BARROW opposed the amendment.
_ _ ___

Mr. DRUMMOND said they were agreed that the
magistrates were to have a hand in the arrangement of
the county rates. (Hear.) Well, this he would sug-
gest, that there should be a' committee appointed by each
county, to be elected by the ratepayers—two mem-
bers to come from every parish, one to be a magi-
strate and the other a ratepayer. This committee
should form the County Financial Board, and
it should be their duty to make reports to the bench of

magistrates, while in the event of this latter board over-
ruling their recommendations the committee should
have a power of appeal to the Secretary of,State.
Mr. V. SMITH said the proposal made by the last
speaker was an entirely new scheme, quite at variance
with the one embraced in the bill, and it would be ex-
ceedingly inconvenient to discuss it now. He should
oppose the amendment, but at the same time he thought
the bill, although very muCh wanted in Lancashire, was
inapplicable to other parts of the country.
Mr. PHILLIPS gave it as his opinion that, in many
counties, the bill would prove inoperative ; in fact, as
many counties were composedof only two or three unions,
they would run the risk, under this bill, of being left
without a financial board, and he warned the committee
to be cautious how they adopted the details of this bill.
Mr. M. GIBSON said the house had by successive
divisions decided that the representative principle ought
to be introduced into the management of county
financial affairs. The discussion which they had just
heard was most inopportune, and he called upon the com-
mittee to proceed with the details of the measure. Now

the amendment they were called upon to adopt might
be explained by a single illustration. In the county of
Worcester there were 13 unions, and it was proposed
that after each of the unions should have elected a
member to sit on the County Financial Board,
the 560 magistrates should be added to the number.

Why, that was nothing more than getting rid of the bill
by a side wind, and therefore, instead of adopting it, the
committee ought to determine to throw the bill out alto-

gether.
Mr. ROBERT PALMER thought the bill ought to
be restricted to Lancaster. There had been a mal-

administration of the rates in the county, and
no doubt some reform was necessary—(hear)—but
before the principle of the bill was extended to the whole
country, let them see how it would work there.
After a few words from Sir J. PASINGTON,
Lord LOVAINE supported the amendment.
Captain SCOBELL said the amendment was a pre-

posterous proposition. He had long acted a; a
county magistrate, and he had the welfare of
that body at heart, but in his opinion the time had
come when they were bound to concede this measure to
those who demanded it, and the sooner they did it the
better.

After a few words from Mr. FRESHFIELD,

Lord PALMERSTON wished to make a remark upon
the suggestion that the bill should be made optional, so
that those counties only who desired it should put it in
force. He must say he fully concurred in the sugges-
tion, and he hoped if it was adopted there would be an
end put to these amendments, which were brought for-
ward net for the purpose of amending but of defeating
the bill.

Mr. HENLEY denied that the amendment now pro-
posed would have the effect of defeating the object of
the bill.

After a few words from Sir WM. JOLIFFE, the com.
mittee divided, when there appeared—

For the amendment
Against it

. 115
. 144

Majority..

The house then resumed and the chairman reported
progress.
The other business was then disposed of, and the
house adjourned at six o'clock.

ELECTION COMMITTEES.-(THIS DAY.)

TAUNTON.

The case having been concluded, the room was cleared,
and, after deliberating, the committee announced that
they had come to the following resolution :
" That A. Mills, Esq., is not duly elected to serve as a
burgefa in the present Parliament for the borough of
Taunton."

BEST MEANS TO ACCOMPLISH ENDS.—We have heard
of an old German officer, who was a great admirer of
correctness in military operations. He used to revile
Bonaparte for spoiling the science of war, which had
been carried to such exquisite perfection by Marshal
Dann. "In my youth (he observed) we used to march
and countermarch all the summer, without gaining or
losing a square league, and then we went into winter
quarters. And now comes an ignorant, hot-headed,
young man, who flies about from -Ulm to the middle of
Moravia, and fights battles in December. The whole
system of his tactics is monstrously incorrect." The
world is of opininion, in spite of critics like these, that
the end of fencing is to hit, that the end of medicine is
to cure, that the end of war is to conquer, and that
those means are the most correct which best accomplish
those ends.—Traveller's Library.
NEWS FOR WOOL GRoWERS.—The Journal du Cher
relates an account which, if correct, may turn out very
advantageous to wool growers. About two years since
a farmer named Virel, residing in the canton of
Chatelet, had one of his sheep seriously torn and in-
jured by a dog. Although he had but little hopes of
saving the animal's life, he decided on dressing its wounds,
which he did with some fatty substance mixed with the
juice of certain plants. The animal soon recovered, and in
about two months after the farmer remarked that the
wool on the parts which he had rubbed with his pre-
paration was much finer and longer than elsewhere.
Determined to try a further experiment, he last year
others. At
pulled off all the wool from the bodies of six of his
trwith the days
eePe, and rubbed them with the preparation for
the a and
end
dthen f
August turned
theyt
them
wereout
shorn, when they
of wool than ordinary produced a much larger weight
to and of a very superior qua-
lity. It is needless say
that he afterwards ex-
tended his experiment to a
tgreater number, and a few
days since he proceeded
shearing, when each of the to what he calls his spring
of very superior wool. He
ciaruallaes s yielded about 5 lbs.
his process, he will be able to havectwot that by the aid of
shearings a year
he
—spring and autumn. The greaseuses is said to be
only mutton fat, but the herbs employed are a secret
which he, however, says he is very willing
those who will pay him for it.