The Sun.
London, England, 1838-06-12 00:00:00

omitted the evidence with respect to Dublin, taken before the
I Fictitious Votes Committee. In that evidence not a single
tinge of accusation had been obtained against the validity of
the Dublin franchise. If in Cork there had been abuses, they
were caused by the corruption of the old Corporation ; but no
matter how, if they had occurred they afforded no reason for
refusing to the people of Ireland their municipal franchise.—
( Hear, hear.)
Sir R. PEEL said—l must be allowed one more word. I
appeal to every man who has heard me whether, throughout
this discussion, I have used language which could make me
justly chargeable with a disposition to insult the Irish people ?
—(" Hear, hear,:hear," and cheers.) When I spoke of per-
jury I attributed it to the eight cause--the imperfect state of
the law at present.—( Hear, hear.) The Hon. and Learned
Gentleman says the difference is only a difference of degree,
but the Noble Lord makes a difference as to the test of qualifi-
cation. I never said, nor did I ever intend to say, that the
people of Ireland were more inclined to commit perjury than
the people of Scotland or the people of England ; and I do
not think it fair in the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to en-
deavour to create a prejudice against me by assumiag a
national insult which never entered into my mind to offer.
Mr. O'CONNELL—The Right Honourable Gentleman
has instanced a case of fraud in Ireland, and founds upon that
case a general argument. I can show to the Right Hon.
Gentleman cases of fraud in Scotland, not only in the bumble
ranks but amongst persons of exalted station. Instances of
persons holding the rank of Dukes and Earls committing
frauds as bad as some that have been tried at the Old Bailey.
Why should the case of frauds committed at Cork be intro-
duced for the purpose of making a higher test of rating? Ido
not mean to say that the Right Hon. Gentleman has by his
words made a national accusation. On the contrary, his lan-
guage is over smooth for his acts. Whilst he compliments us
in words he insults in conduct ; but as I am not to be led away
from the real object, I will take the Right Hon. Gentleman's
conduct and not care for his words.

Mr. BEAMISH rose amidst loud cries of " Question," to
explain with respect to the evidence of Mr. Lane, but it was
impossible to catch the purport of his observation.
Mr. CALLAGHAN did not rise to impeach the testimony
of Mr. Young, as given before the Committee on fictitious
votes, but with respect to the claim of one voter, whose house
was said
.not to be of the value of 61., he (Mr. Callaghan)
was aware that Mr. Young had his attention directed to other
premises than those fi om which the elector in question claimed
to vote.

Sir R. PEEL had quoted the case to show that the prac
ice was universal.

Lord J. RUSSELL wished to know from the Hon. and
Learned Member for Dublin what was the course he intended
to pursue. Was it his wish to take the rating alone, without
the value ? If so, perhaps the better plan would be to leave
out the words "net annual value."

Mr. O'CONNELL would take the opportunity, on the
report being brought up, of moving as an amendment, " that
the Bill be assimilated to the Scotch Bill."
The House then divided, when thew appeared—
For the amendment 266
Against it
Majority against it —2o
Lord J. RUSSELL intimated that he did not intend to
proceed with the Bill at that hour.
The Chairman then reported progress and obtained 'Lave
to set again on Friday.'
TITHES (IRELAND).
The Ilcuse then went into Committee proforma on the re-
solutions of Lord John Russell respecting tithes in Ireland.
The Chairman reported progress, and obtained leave to sit
again on Friday.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at Half-past Twelve o'Clock.