The Sun.
London, England, 1838-07-10 00:00:00

KING OF OUDE

Lord BROUGHAM wished to ask the Noble Lord at the
bead of the Colonial Department, who was then at the head
of the Board of Control, if the proceeding of planting the third
son on the throne of Oude in preference to the second son was
by the order of the Government at home, or whether it was
authorised by the Governor-General ex mero motif?
Lord G LENE LG said he was unable to answer the question.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH wished to know if the appoint-
ment was conditional that the new sovereign should accede to
the payment of money claimed by certain British subjects?
Lord GLENELG gave no reply.
On the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, the
Prisons Juveoile Offenders 13111 and the International Copyright
Bill were read a second time, awl ordered to be committed on
Tuesday se'nniEht.
BENEFICES PLURALITIES BILL.
Lord% [ME RIC K objected to going into the Irish Poll.-
law Bill at a late hour, when they would be necessarily
.`fatigued after tire discussion of the Benefices Pluralities Bill,
and tooved that the debate on the Poor.law Bill should be
resumeti.
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The Archbishop of CANTERBURY said he would not
detain their Lordships long upon this Bill, as there were so
many amend►nents that it could not be discussed with advan-
tage until it was reprinted.
The Bi3hop of LONDON said some of his Right Rev.
Friends felt it their duty to return immediately to their dio-
ceses ; and as they objected to one clause only, they proposed
to take the opinion of the House upon that clause, and to pro-
ceed no further witl► the discussion.

After a most desultory conversati.:n as to which Bill should
take precedence, the Benefices Pluralities Bill being the first
Order of the Day,
The Earl of LIMERICK withdrew hi:: motion, and their
Lordships then resolved themselves into Committee on the
Bill.

On the motion that the third clause be agreed to.
The Bishop of ROCHESTER, in a voice scarcely audible,
tnt►ved that the clause be omitted, as being hard on the clergy,
wia-mut any corresponding advantage.
Lvrd WYNFORD moved an amendment to the clause, to
the eh et that no clergyman should hold any cathedral pre-
ferment in conjunction with his own, the combined value of
which was over 1,5001. a year.
The Bishop of It said the amendment did
not meet his views at all.

The Bishop of GLOUCESTER said the object of the
Bill WAS to limit pluralities, and to encourage residence in
benefices, but this clause would tend to neither one nor the
other. It only said that they should not exceed a certain sum
—that if the benefice exceeded I,OOOL they should take no
cathedral preferment beyond 5001. H.!. wai at a loss to know
Ghat reason there could be for this.
Lord WYN FORD suggested that the clause ought to be
amended, as far as it was susceptible of amendments.
The Bishop of S ALISBURY opposed the clause, and said
he entirely concurred in the objections against it by his Right
Rev. Friends.

- - The Bishop of LONDON spoke briefly to the same effect,
and said that the clause did not touch the principle of plurali-
ties, nor secure equality, which was the great piiint.
After a few words from Lord PORTMAN the clause was
struck out.

The House then resumed, and, the report beirg received
certain amendments. proposed by the Archbi+hop uf Canter-
bury, were order. .d to be printed.

IRISH POOR-LAW BILL.
On the motion tl.at this Bill do pass,
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said that, with all
the amendments which the Bill had undergone, he still
thought that it was now worse than beim e. tie would con-
tent himself with moving, as an amendment, that the Bill be
rejected

The Earl of LIMERICK opposed the Bill.
The Marquis of CLAN RICARDE made various objee-
tiouslo the measure. and contended that it could neve- stork
to the satislac:ion of the people of Ireland. One most mis-
chievocus effect likely to result from it was, that it would put
a stop to all national improvement for years after it passed.
The Earl of MO NTC ASII E I, felt persu Wed that the
Bill would have the effect of introducing tehelli ~,, and revo-
lution into. the country. Not only would all the Roman Ca,
°tubes. with the pr,ests at their head, be opposed to it, but
alto all the Protestants of every rank in the country.
Lord BROUGHAM said that the new system of Poor-
laws in England was opposed only by those who were too lazy
to other classes were highly favourable to it. But
was that the system now proposed fur Ireland ? Nothing of
the kind, for there was something in the natural temperament
of the Irish character to prevent it. The poople of Ireland
would be handed as one man to mar the execution of the mea.
sure. God help the man who was to proceed to Dublin to
rs-pnresent the Board there. He could figure to himself no-
in iS
,more awful than the life of that gentleman (would be
ins, as soon as it was known that the twenty-sixth
was to be put in force. What would be his position,
h rt'unded by
_ seven thousand cormorants ? Attend to the
"" of
his office ! Attend to the Bill ! Attend to
ev,,s,
N.vtions from Somerset House ! Read the Bill
an'aves tLeeYs he would have time for little else than to
universal
el applications for situations. There would be a
be reluctant to`'lr all over the country; the guardians would
10,000, sol„e 'rect.% end the 7,000 would soon be increased to
very soon take pireat, like that of the 10,000 of old, would
iseetion was piss ;:efe all over Ireland. When once the 26th
appointments waniejce., the floodgate would be opened, and
paid agents for made of stipendiary magistrates and
illustiate the difficultr,,l,„,litlaee in Ireland. He stated this to
effect a Bill which sin --c"'eh there would be in carrying into
The success of the ,t 1:: ?.ter to the prejudices of the people.
agreeable to the people of s7O depended upon its becoming
was no prospect of carrying .r,eland, without whose aid there
a,:av's successfully into execution. A
:year or two had passed
ilia, discussions had taken pia-eeSbtee the Bill had been brought
spirit-stirring appeals had 13,•e t" both Houses, many able and
))eople, Parliament had interposerie to the passions of ths
hy divisions in favour of the 13111I'e weight of its authorit)
it, lat the opinion of a majority or the he had oftm found
to a measure which was before d. e Hou gave cuireney
t least that was the case in El,l:lastefuse l to the peoph
y le of numLers, nor the eio6and), but neither th,
else-nen
Imal had any weight in swaying the'-ft7e7e of the tonge,,,
of :Irelam.ii for, according to the I,,sesturs of the peopb
information, there
was a more unanimous and universal
thaarginst the mea
sure, and a gl eater repugnance to it nowtio
argument,
looker:
upon re had been
a year ago, a.; ,if no speech, no debate,
vision had t theft place on the subject. He,
upon it as hal ielesa to expert to obtain fit instruments. in work-
ing out the B:ill. The people of Ireland were on all occasions
difficult to be persuaded, but they were now less likely to come
round, knosvi; ig that they were right. The woikhouse would