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1241PEakitAL, PARLIAMEn 1.

HOUSE OF LORDS--(YESTERDAY.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.

PETITIONS

The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH presented several
petitions against the Merchant Shipping Bill.
The Earl of ALBEMARLE presented a petition from
the Bristol Chamber of Commerce, praying that both
British and foreign vessels be required, under the Pi-
lotage Act, to pay the same amount of fees for pilots.
Lord MONTEAGLE presented a petition from
.cer-
tain Parsee merchants, complaining of certain acts of
the Government of India ; also, a petition from the Cor-
poration of Dublin, against ministers money in Ireland.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Rochdale Improvement (No. 2) Bill.
The following bills were a third time and passed :
Cork and Bandon Railway (No. 2) ; Galway Improve-
ment ; Banbridge, Dublin, Newry, and Belfast Junction
Railway- • South Wales Railway (Pembroke, &c.),
South Wales Railway (Power to Purchase, &c.), South
Wales (Deviation), Galway Harbour, and Severn Rail-
way Bills.
SEIZURE OF A CHINESE JUNK AND MURDER
OF HER CREW.
The Earl of ALBEMARLE moved for Copies of 'all
correspondence and documents in 1851 and 1852, be-
tween the local authorities of Singapore and the home
authorities, relating to an outrage in which a junk, or
Chinese ship, belonging to Singapore, was plundered
and her crew, to the number of 11, put to death
under a pretext of piracy, by the Rajah of Trin-
ganpe, a Malay prince, on the coast of Malacca.
He expressed a hope that the Government would give
every facility for the purpose of having these cruel
outrages redressed.
The Earl of GRANVILLE said the Government had
no objection to the motion.
The motion was then agreed to.
RUSSIA AND TURKEY.
The Earl of IeIALMESBURY—My lords, in accordance
with the notice which I have placed on the minutes of the
house, I rise to move for the papers which I have there
mentioned, being the translation of two manifestoes pub-
lished in the St. Petersburg Gazette by the Emperor of
Russia, and any answers which may have been made to
those documents by my noble friend the Secretary of State
for Foreign Affairs. Your lordships may easily imagine
that if I had been moved by any party feeling or factious
motives, or even by any feeling of personal vanity in wish-
ing to present myself before your lordships to discuss so
important a question as the present, I should not have
chosen this late period of the session ; I should have ap-
peared before now to ask what had been the negotiations
of the Government on the subject, and should not have
waited till within a few days of the end of the session,
when so few of my friends are in London to attend the
house. (Hear.) Having myself had the honour of being
in the position which my noble friend now holds, I
thought, and still think, that every indulgence should be
given to a Minister employed as he has been in commu-
nications upon a question of such momentous importance
to the peace of Europe. I therefore, while, as your lord-
ships well know, I have at different periods asked ques-
tions of my noble friend as to the continuance and the re-
sult of these negotiations, have always bowed to his wish
and that of the Government not to proceed to a considera-
tion of the whole matter in question, and not in any way
to embarrass the Government, inasmuch as they led us to
suppose that any premature discussion on the subject
might possibly prevent that happy result which we all so
anxiously desire. But, with respect to the papers for •
which I now move, I may truly say that they are not to
be placed in the same category with negotiations and cor-
respondence carried on through the medium of despatches.
(Hear.) Judging from the little experience I had at the
Foreign-office, I can see no objection to - the production of
papers that are not correspondence, but which have been
published to all Europe by the Emperor of Russia himself,
in his own language, and especially as they have appeared
in the language and in the public prints of France and
England. I cannot, for the same reason, see why we should
not have the answers which we understood the other night
had been made by noble friend opposite to these maul_
festoes of the Emperor of Russia. (Hear, hear.) Those
manifestoes contain much than ought to be answered -
they contain much that none of your lordships can assent
to ; and, inasmuch as the French Government did answer
immediately and ably those manifestoes, and inasmuch as
two out of the three powers have publicly put forward
their sentiments on the matter, I cannot understand on
what ground the Government can stand up and refuse
those documents to your lordships and the other House of
Parliament. (Hear, hear.) I was told, when I formerly
asked for these paper, that it was not the custom in this
country to publish diplomatic correspondence in this way.
It is perfectly true that diplomatic communications are for
obvious reasons kept back until the Minister, in the exer-
cise of his discretion, thinks it right to place them on your
table ; but, as I said before, these papers do not come
within the category of correspondence ; and certainly there
are precedents known to your lordships that would at once
relieve my noble friend, who is anything but a pedant,
from any pedantic pressure that might be laid on him by
official custom. (Hear, hear.) In 1822, if lam not mis-
taken, when the entry of the French army took place into
Spain, Mr. Canning immediately published a paper on the
subject—l believe within 24 hours of the time when he
received his information. And, going to a much later
period, it is only a few months since Lord John Russell
published in the newspapers of the day a despatch which
he had sent in the case of the Madiai to the Court of Tus-
cany. Before I say one word more, I must observe that
this question has certainly caused more public anxiety than
anything that has occurred within the last 23 years. I
must remind my noble friend opposite that after 38 years ,
of peace, when the minds of ncen have been turned so long
to peaceful employments—to commerce and the arts of ci-
vilisation, -we may perhaps feel somewhat more nervous
than our forefathers, who were more accustomed to long
wars and hostile alarms. We have had all the indications
of the greatest possible apprehension in this country.
There has been a great fall in the funds, and a great rise
in certain provisions, while there has been a considerable
hindrance to trade and speculation ; and I think the Go-
vernment ought to have left no means unemployed to
allay the excitement that had been raised to so high a
pitch. I believe, however, that that excitement and ap-
prehension have been very much increased by the con-
tinued and lengthened mystery which the Government
has thrown over their operations and negotiations on
this subject. (Hear.) This state of things may be said
to have continued since the month of March; and here
let me say, it was difficult for your lordships, as it was,
indeed, for me to believe what had occurred, when you
first saw those signs of aggression on the part of Russia, on
our ancient ally—that most important country to us and
to all Europe—Turkey. It was certainly a matter of
great astonishment to every person here, who had for so
many years placed the greatest confidence not only in the
honour of the Emperor of Russia, but also in the Conser-
vative policy on which he has long prided himself, .and
which he had so emphatically proved during the revolu-
tions of 1848. (Hear.) No one could be snore astonished
than myself, for during the year 1852, when I held the
office which my noble friend now holds, it was impossible
for any sovereign or any court to show a more sincere in-
terest in the maintenance of treaties, and in those territo-
rial arrangements which have happily subsisted for so
many years in Europe, than was shown by the Emperor
of Russia. If there was one sovereign in Europe more than
another, if there was one Government more than another,
that impressed on me the importance of maintaining in-
violate these treaties, and that the present w
territorial ar-
rangements of Europe should remain. uninfringed, it as
the Emperor of Russia and his Government. (Hear, hear.)
Not being in office I cannot follow out
uai alnte d with them
can, or enter into all their various details, but I cannot
help thinking that I can account in a degree for what has
happened. The Emperor of Russia, it appears, was deeply
irritated at the conduct of the French Government with
respect to tthe Holy Shrines in Palestine. That subject
had long occupied my attention and that of her Majesty's
Government when I held the seals of office, and we left no
opportunity untried of urging the French Government to
a satisfactory and early issue of the unfortunate dispute.
On the part of the French Government and the French
Emperor we were met with assurances that they were
equally anxious to bring the dispute to an end, and that
they would make no unreasonable demands, and just be-
fore my noble friend then at the head of the Government
left office, the French Ambassador at Constantinople was
changed, and a man of a singularly mild and conciliatory
character succeeded to his place. But it appears that in
the Emperor of Russia's mind what had passed had not
been effaced. Although when M. Lacour had repaired to
Constantinople the question relating to these Holy Places
was finally and satisfactorily settled, and although
this took place before Prince Menschikoff arrived at Con-
stantinople, still it appeared that the impression on the
Russian verment remained unaltered—that they were
dissatisfied with the settlement of the question, and still
suspected, or pretended to suspect, the Turkish Govern-
ment of wishing again to impose upon them conditions
which they had no right to impose. It is not for mortal
to read the human mind ; but your lordships are aware of
the traditional policy imputed to Russia, and therefore it
is impossible to divest oneself of the idea that the Russian
Government might have conceived the moment had arrived
which a large portion of the Russian population has for
many generations looked forward to as a predestined epoch,
at which they were to march upon and obtain possession
of the capital which their Sovereigns have long coveted.
If that feeling was shared by the Emperor of Russia and
the members of his Cabinet, I think it was because they
were net restrained from yielding to the fatal temptation
presented by the course of events which had previously oc-
curred. When the Queen's late Government was in office,
our policy was much canvassed and criticised on many
points, but there was one point, one against which an un-
remitted shower of censure was directed by that portion
of the press which represented, or appeared to represent,
the opinions of the late Opposition. The Opposition news-
papers of the day especially assailed the foreign policy of
Lord Derby's Government during the whole time of their
continuance in office—l mean that part of our foreign
METROPOLITAN COMMISSION OF SEWERS.—Yesterday, policy which related to France. If there was one news-
a return to Parliament, obtained by Sir John Shelley, paper which exceeded another in constant abuse of the
policy which prompted us to maintain a "close and candid
allianceu with France, it was a newspaper supposed by the
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of Sewers, the offices they have held and now hold, the p blic—l know not with justice—to be peculiarly con-
, netted and intimately associated with that part of the then
salaries now paid, the dates of appointment and the duties i Opposition which was more celebrated for its talents than
its numbers, and which has since formed a most important
portion of the present Administration. That newspaper
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of January, 1852, to the 7th ult. The return extends
and others continually taunted us with e what they called
to 14 folio Pages. The secretary has 8001. and 1001. in our subservient and cringing policy to the French Empe-
lieu of apartments vacated by him. There are four teen ror. I, personally, was assailed with constant abuse, and
trust that I had lost the fmeeyling
commissioners and only one is paid. ' There are a great even ribaldry, on this point ; indeed, it was broadly in-
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blinded news
by ors that I was unfaa my
many persons in the employ of the commissionere, and
their names are set forth, with the amount of salaries.
personally moved by such observations, it ACCIDENT AT THE PRINCESS'S THEA.TRE.—Last even-
a foreign nation and a foreign sof an Enblisthhmrualnt,o and
extraordinary partiality for
ing, during the representation of " Sardanapalus, in couldwou have3 .
BbLvej:sn.
the grand opening procession, in which the King makes factory t; me to observe that subsequent events have
his entrée drawn by a pair of cream-coloured horses, the proved that the policy the late Government pursued iu
leg of one went down through a trap on the stage, and cementing a close alliance with the new dynasty in France
Mr. Kean narrowly escaped being thrown out of the was of the utmost importance to this country. I have had
chariot. In the confusion caused by the horses' plunging the satisfaction of seeing the opponents of our policy—the
upwards of 100 persons being on the stage, one of the newspapers—declaring an intimate alliance with France to
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ladies of the ballet fell through the opening, but for-
tunately escaped with a few slight bruises. The piece be riot only most useful, but of paramount importance—
the only alliance which is of any consequence to Englaid.
As far as I am personally concerned, I have the satisfaction
then proceeded without further interruption. i

MALTA, AUG. 5,

An extra steamer from Constantinople has arrived
this morning, bringing news from Besika Bay to the
30th ult., at which time the fleets were still lying there,
and the men of both in high spirits. Sickness still con-
tinued to prevail,, but few cases had terminated fatally.
As to the question which now agitates Europe, no new
phase had occupied the corps diplomatique. The return
of the Caradoc from Marseilles was anxiously expected,
as it is from the Courts of England and France that the
solution of the question is anticipated.
The prevailing opinion, however, is in favour of an
amicable solution of the difficulties.
The French line-of-battle ship Friedland is on shore
near the Rabbit Island.
Important news from Persia has arrived. The Shah
has declared officially that, feeling the right spf the
Russo-Turkish quarrel to be with the Sultan, he should
in case of war assist the Sultan.
Letters from Trebizonde announce the Circassians to
have obtained recent victories over the Russians. On
the 3rd of July the Castle of Toprac Kale, with 220
pieces of cannon, was taken by Mohammed Bey, one of
the lieutenants of Sc

PORTSMOUTH, AUG. 12.
It is with much pleasure we record a most graceful
act of Queenly condescension, on the part of her Ma-
jesty, towards the Admiral of the Fleet, Sir Thomas
Byam Martin, G.C.8., which will be well understood
after our remark upon that gallant officer, in our report
of Wednesday last. On meeting the gallant veteran-
sailor on the upper deck of• the Duke of Wellington,
her Majesty shook hitil heartily by the hand and paid
much attention to him, inviting him to return with her
to the Victoria and Albert, where his flag (the Union
Jack) was flying from the mizen.
On board the Duke, her Majesty was graciously
pleased to command that the Senior-Lieutenant of the
Fleet in Commission, and the Senior-Mate of the Fleet
he promoted ; the former i 8 Lieutenant George Mason
(1827), First of the Victory, and the latter is Mr. H. E.
Bacon, of the Prince Regent. But the eventful 11th of
August, 1853, is still further to be commemorated by an
Admiralty brevet, which, we believe, is now being ar-
ranged by their lordships, who left Portsmouth for town
to-day.
Her Majesty expressed her "great satisfaction" yes-
terday, on board the Duke, to Captain H. B. Martin,
C. 8., commanding that "monarch of the fleets" at the
state and efficiency "of the shin. Her Majesty's officially
expressed sentiments at the manner in which the events
of the day were conducted are expected to be promul-
gated to-morrow in a " general memo," to the Fleet. •
The Wildfire steam-vessel, Second Master-Commander
Brockman, sailed last evening on her return to the east-

ward.
The Banshee paddle-steam-vessel, Lieutenant-Com-
mander Hoskin, sailed this afternoon for the westward.
The Lizard and Zephyr paddle-steam-vessels sailed
this afterno6n on their return to the eastward.
The Alfred. Indianian, arrived at, Spithead this morn-
ing from the Thames.
The Black Eagle, .Admiralty steam-yacht, Master-
Commander Petley, came into harbour this afternoon
and was placed in the south dock to have her bottom
examined.
The Vivid and Undine steam-packets, Master-Com-
manders Smithett and Lyne, sailed this afternoon on
their return to Dover.
The Avon steam-tender, Master Commander Veitch,
sailed this evening for Plymouth.
The flag of Rear-Admiral Arthur Fanshawe' C. 8.,
was retransferred from the Prince Regent to the Nep-
tune this morning at 8 o'clock, and the flag of Rear-
Admiral Corry was retransferred from the Agamemnon
to the Prince Regent at the same time.
The Tribune, 3'), steam-frigate, Commander the Hon.
S. T. Carnegie, removed her powder and shells this
afternoon, and came into harbour in the evening to be
docked.

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made the demands which-he subsequently advanced. In grant privileges to his own subjects—privileges in perpe-
struck- him thaeid, would be very desirable to put an end mums pc), sty count, . _ln intention to tan
making these observations, I have no intention to attack
the Queen's Government• Mh*t is solely to direct at- turfy—could possibly be conceived an act of hostility to
the strife between the two countries. Now, in the if that was offered. And so it turned out, because this
to
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tention to the unfortunate circumstances which I have Russia. (Hear.) I can conceive no proceeding so aptly
described by the trite expression " trying to pick a quer-
referred to—namely, red" as the demand and the subsequent letter of Prince your lordships' recollection—what has, been the policy' of fish Ambassador at Constantinople pointed out to him what
the abuse directed against Lord this country with France. The relations existing betweenus would be its practical operation supposing it to be agreed
Derby's foreign policy by the Op
the the impression, Menschikoff. I can hardly conceive, my lords, that the
were of a nature so friendly and intimate that they formed to. Prince Menchikoff accordingly gave it up. He next
nay, the conviction produced in- the minds of foreign Go- Russian Government could be cognisant of such a proceed-
the subject of congratulation in the speech from the Throne. proposed another form— a sated, which is equivalent to a
vernments by the language of Sir James Graham and Sir ine, or that they could support it. After having despatched
Charles Wood ;and finally,the note, Prince Menschik off left Constantinople and retired He might have seen, and lam sure when in office be'raust protocol. That also was objected to, although it was far
by the want of joint action on
the part of two fleets. Your lordships know that Lord to Odessa, and shortly afterwards Count Nesselrode sent a have seen, ample evidence of the design of this country to less objectionable than the first proposal ; and then the
be on the most friendly terms with France, whatever the Prince proposed lastly, a form of note, which the Sultan
Derby's Government valued highly the French alliance, dispatch to the Turkish Government, stating that if the
and made its maintenance one of the principal points of terms demanded by his Sovereign were not acceded to he government of that country—whether it was a limited objected to also, and which, too, was withdrawn. I must
monarchy, a republic, or the Imperial form under which say that throughout the whole of these negotiations it was
their foreign policy. It appeared to us that it was time to should at once cross the Pruth and invade the principalities.
they now line. Thera always has been exactly the same a matter of satisfaction to her Majesty's Government that
discard the old prejudices which had for centuries pre- Now, my lords, I mast beg your lordships' attention to
feeling, and Ido not say it to the credit of any ono Govern- the combined fleets had not passed the Dardanelles, because
veiled between the two countries, and tended to check the another point. It seems, from the documents which have
meet more than another, but it was the duty of every nobody could say that the Turks had not acted in a per-
progress of civilisation. A long succession of wars has re- appeared, taking for granted that they were authentic, that
Government, because it Was the manifest interest of this fectly tree and independent manner, guided only by what
suited in showing that neither of these two great coup- Count Nesselrode founded his claim upon the treaty of
country, to maintain the most friendly, cordial, and in- they considered to be their own interest, and because all
tries is able to sujugate the other, but that each is cape- Kainardji, and said that the Emperor asked for nothing
timate relations with France. That the attacks of certain pretexts were taken from any power to say that the Turks
We of maintaining its own indeendence. We thought more than the observance of that treaty, which, in reality,
newspapers—because Ido not apprehend they all joined in acted under pressure from other Governments. On the
that two such great nations united in amity, had a glom- gave all the privileges demanded. Now, my lords, I can con-
such attacks—but that the attacks of certain newspapers 22d of May Prince Menschikoff left Constantinople. I have
ous mission to fulfil,ceive no object in asking for a treaty to guarantee rights
upon my noble friend for having laboured to maintain no doubt that the passage read by noble friend from his
in spreading a civilisation over every
part of the world, and maintaining peace, founded on the guaranteed already by a treaty in existence, and if the treaty
present territorial division of Europe. of Kainardji in 1774 guaranteed the rights and privileges those relations have produced any effect in the manner lie valedictory letter— (a laugh)—is correct, and I think, if
When We came into supposes on the mind of the Emperor of Russia is what I it is correct, my noble friend. designated it rightly,
office, the French people had recently ratified tho change , demanded by the Emperor, what was the use of a new
really cannot believe, any more than I can believe that his for such language as that is fortunately very rare iu
of government effected by the present Emperor. It was treaty in 1853 ? (Hear, hear.) But does the treaty of
evident that • the Prince contemplated restoring the Kainardji guarantee the privileges demanded by the Em- mind has been influenced, or that his policy towards diplomatic correspondence, and I hope it will long remain
dynasty of his uncle. It was felt to be of
Turkey has been guided by the two speeches to which my au exception to the neneral rule. (Hear.) Your lordships
great con- peror in 1853 ? The seventh article of that treaty
' noble friend, I am sorry to say, has again alluded. I are also aware that after Prince Menschikeff had quitted
sequence at that tine that this country should stand "Promises to protect constantly the Christian religion
think . that, this allusion was perfectly unnecessary. I Constantinople a note was sent by Count Nesselrode to
well with the new Government, and we were pleased to
and its churches, and also permits to the Ministers of the do not think that those Speecb.es, have led to any results Itedschid Pasha, asking him to accept within eight days
find the head of that Government as anxious as ourselves
Imperial Court of Russia to make representations in favour
promising to take such as he has attributed to them. It is a bygone story, the note of Prince Menschileoff. Redschid Pasha declined,
to establish relations of amity between the two nations. It of the new church at Constantinople, and I cannot congratulate my noble friend upon hay- although in the most courteous manner, and then, in pur-
was not by words alone the Emperor of the French magi- them in consideration as made by a neighbouring and sin-
ins again brought it forward. Those speeches, my lords, nuance of the authority which that letter contained, the
felted his anxiety on this point. He proved it by acts during
lam certainly not here to defend. One of them, as my principalities were occupied. I certainly have not the least
the whole course of our administration. He proved it at
the time when, being about to advance an army upon Your lordships can, I think, hardly fail to perceive the noble friend knows; was deliVered at .a public meeting, hesitation in saying we have looked upon that as a viola-
Switzerland, he accepted our good offices to mediate be- great distinction between promising to protect the Chris- without any reference to France, and RS an illustration lion of existing treaties. (Hear.) Although, however, my
tween hind,
and the Helvetic Republic. He proved it by tiara religion and granting in perpetuity certain privileges how universal suffrage might lead to results different from noble friend blamed the Government for the line of con-
acting in concert, with us in averting the danger of war to the subjects of the Sultan who professed the religion of those attributed to it, without any thought of the French duct pursued by them upon the occupatien of the princi-
arisine' out of tn.) case of Cuba. He showed it when he sent the Greek Church. That is One of the misrepresentations Emperor or the French empire. The other speech was de- pedalos, Ido not intend now to enter upon a defence of
an ambassador to Buenos Ayres at the same time that we of the Russian Government, and upon that misrepresenta- livered at a mere private meeting,e qually without thought that part of our policy, for a sense of public duty does not
principalities as a
and ask for
di when matters assumed a threatening aspect on the tion they founded certain demands, at the same time or reflection of the if
that it might create. At the permit me to do so. Wo might certeenly have recom-
South American continent. Still more did he prove it threatening that if those demands were not acceded to they meeting of Parliament this session the matter was brought mended the Sultan to have acted upon that which was un-
whendissension unfortunately arose between the Sultan and would sendnn army across the Pruth and occupy the prin- by the noble marquis (Clanricarde) under the attention of questionably a cases bal. (Hear.) I have not the least
the Pasha of Egypt in consequence of the firman, when the cipaiities, My lords, I must say that I consider sending an this house. It was then fully explained by. the noble earl doubt that we might, if we had thought proper, advised
Sultan endeavoured to force the tanzimat code on his vas. army across the Pruth to be nothing more nor less than an lat the head of the Government in this house, and equally the Sultan to treat the occupation of the
sal. This case was very remarkable, because we know the invasion. (Hear, hear.) I have heard the occupation of the I satisfactorily explained, and I may say apologised
.for, in casus belli, to suspend existing treaties
tq avoid the chances of war—
interests our pro-
feeling with which France has always regarded English in- principalities defended on the ground that by certain I the other house of Parliament. I believe that my noble tection. We did not, however, think it advisable to ale so
, having to appeal to the people
fluenco in Egypt. Your lordships are aware that the tree treaties the Emperor of Russia has a right to send his friend (the Marquis of Clanricarde) expressed himself satis- —not because we did not consider it to be a cases belli but
ditional policy of France has always been to thwart English troops into those provinces, biit under circumstances totally fled with the explanation then given, and I know that the because we thought it was incumbent - s
upon us in the first
interests and agents in Egypt. It used to be supposed ins- different from the present state of affairs. In the first same feeling existed in the other house. And I may say , place to do all that in us lay
possible for English and French agents to act together in place, there can be no doubt as to the nationality of those to the credit of the Emperor of France, that if ever he had (hear) ;—and we thought
(Hear.) It was u
that country. When war between the sultan and his vassal provinces. The treaty of Adrianople and the treaty of any such feeling as the noble earl imagines, he at once of this country, that ere should i:tit come with a good grace
was imminent, and we appealed to the great Powers to as- Anermann, in 1826, declared that the Pruth was accepted those explanations given by lmn• gentleman under to them unless we could show that we had exercised and
silt in averting it, we found none so anxious to effect that the boundary between the territory of Russia and the accidental circumstances, as I may call them, in which exhausted every effort
these
maintain au honourable peace.
pop.rlcipalities, we did not recommend to
object as France. Considering what has always been the the Ottoman empire. Subsequent treaties also speak of they were spoken, and the thing was treated as norasurean. grounds that, upon the mere
policy of Franco in respect to Egypt, the cordial action of those two provinces as belonging to the Turkish empire, And Ido not think that my noble friend will find many to occupation of the
the French Government in this matter is no slender test of and therefore there cannot be the slightest possible doubt share his opinion, expressed in bringing these speeches for- the Sultan to exercise his undoubted and unquestionable
its sincerity. Then, again, upon the question of the political as to which country those two provinces belong ward, that they had .anything to do with the notion that right of treating that act, as it was, as an act of war. And
refugees in this country—a question deeplyaffecting France to. On the sth of July the Russians crossed the Pruth England and France would not
act together, and that it in this I must beg to say that, throughout the whole of the
on account of her proximity to our shores—we found the and usurped the government of those provinces—the eel-
would therefore be safe for the Emperor of Russia to per- negotiations,ehalthougla I did not allude to the joint action
FrenchGovernmentexhibine• no nervousor irritable feeling. leetion of the revenue, the management of the post-office, sue his own policy. I have, my lords, on more than one of the French rnezititneitg, IhniNr,sxt 'obleynoliar lordships to
lam gsad that our anxiety to follow out the policy which and. in short all those departments which form the civil go- occasion, stated to your lordships; how intimate and cordial understand thaCltr
we had thought it expedient to adopt with respect to that vernment—and it is even said that they went further still, the alliance between France and England has beton. I re- consulting the French Government. (Hear.) There has
great country was not in any way discouraged bY the abuse and enlisted some of the natives of those provinces into joie° on this as on every other opportunity to repeat it, and be.en neotiation almost daily ; by dispatches or by
which was Was showerea 1)Y-the daily Press of this country upon their own army. I consihr, my lords, that the Russians to assure your lordships that there has been throughout the
that policy. My lords, when I hav„aid so much, I must by thus crossing the Pruth and invadine the Principalities whole of this Eastern question the most intimate and cor
. The for- tees Governments. On every important proceeding graph unshornq have been asked, and answers immediately
also add that our course of policy with regard to France, have violated the treaty of Adrianople, for the present oc- dial, I may almost say daily, communication between the- sena, in order that there should tot exist any variation of
and the desire we evinced of establishing relations of amity cupation is very unlike any former occupation. policy, and in nothing was the French Government more
there united with us than in not considering this as a versus MI i.
with that country, did not in any respect stand in the way mar occupations of the Principalities have been either to has never existed any material difference of o • •
of our alliance with other nations continuing on the same secure the payment of a debt which the Ottoman Empire took the same view of the policy to be ado t pinion. They Moreover, we found that the instructions we
sets to our
terms of cordiality and amity which had happily existed did not abjure, or have taken place at the wish of the has been complete unity of action betweenl3 e and there ambassador at Constantinople to this effect rosed the
between them and the Government which preceded us. Turkish Government to put an end to disturbances, as was course that has been pursued. With those them in the dispatches which were soon atterwrads received from my
assurances that noble friend, stating that such had been the view. ofnthtoe
The language we used to a"- nations was alike, fonwe said, the case in the year 1848. There is not the slightest ana- have been given to the public of both co
that while England would not willingly become the adver- logy between those occupations and the present one. The those manifestations which have also been \ countries and with Porte, and that such had been the advice ho had giat-e
re_
given of this the Porte. (Hear, hear.) I certainly a
sary of any nation, at the same time any act of aggression present one has taken place not only without the consent, unanimity, and whieh are now before the teas
Is hoc© bean
world, itivould be pared to enter into this question as fully as
or any act which' would remove or tend to disturb a„ but in spite of the protest of the Sultan, and not to expe- impossible for the Emperor of Russia d (the Earl of
landmarks or territorial arrangement now settled, or whicil due the payment of a debt, but to compel the fulfilment of East had any reference to thealliance if his policy in the led to do hy the speech oi my noble frien .
desirous to put
vernment in the form of lan • of France a.nd Ea Malmesbary), but still I have been most .
infringed. any existing treaty, would meet resistance and a demand made to the Turkish Go d-it must have been impossible
of existing treaties for him to believe that your lordships as far as I can in possession of the infoima-
diseouragement at our hands. (Hear, hear.) My lords, I an ultimatum, and in direct violation ; that alliance did not exist d. i the country at large
think that the present Government, when they came into and I can only look upon it as an ac aggression. My it would not be brought Jan was not sincere, and that don. which both your lordships ant .
eh countations are
rd to the conduct of her Ma- Governments to act in any way in which those must be anxious to possess. Althonelordships
office, must have been sensible of the happy results of the I lords, I must say, with rega 1 might determine. Hstillpending, I will uot hesitate to state to your
that they have had some ( ear.) The next point
course of foreign policy which we thought it our duty to 1 jesty's Government, unless . good to which my noble friend have arrived at their pre-
events, they must have found the ad- reason, unknown to the people of this counti7, for adopt- Emperor alluded as having influenced the by what steps those negotietions , .
adopt, and, at all _
h ve adopted, I do not thin interest
vantage of the intimate reliance which existed between ing the course they a
hnk that it k they her Majesty's Gove , DO
raiment appeared to show toward- Tur- when Ido so my We friend must be at once convinced,
this country and France ; for I say that if it be true—and have acted wisely. lle
t fleet of thiswas a prudent thing at key during the mission of ie • ' look to the forbearance and moderation which he has
I sincerely hope that it may be true--that Turkey is saved the outset to place the country, in conjunc.Prince Leiningen. This question
j has also been broughthitherto exercised, and bearing in mind that he is aware
within forward, and I gave explanations at h
from, Russian aggression and Russian appropriation, it is tion with the French fleet, the reach of the melbas- 1 the • .extent of Ministerial •
responsi-
either country, but I also think that
to England and to France that such a result is entirely Faders of _
time, which ou • l d li. thou h t. f• t
y or svs oug tsais ac ory. . .
We from late eelle.nce of the
i- in these twitters—I am sure, I say, he will under-
wing ; and the late Government laid the foundations of Russian army
stop
the Pruth, the moment communication with the Austrian Government on bilny .
had en. 1 the subit t-w • fail .explanations 1. that a more full discussion of such matters will no-
tand t give -0 • e did not to ask for full staret
that alliance which has now brought forth fruits which rived to go a further, a o instructions to relative to the be desirable. It was after the note of Count Nesselfleets to enter the Dardanelles, en, which ex la- now
mission of Prince Leining . ,
#. t dive.
none must be so ready to aeknowledge as her Majesty's the allied elle& I consider nations Irode had been rected by the Porte, and after the princis
Government. My lords, it is hardly necessary for that Her Majesty's Government have not acted wisely • et ns, must say, there was no disinclinanon o . .
had occupied that the t • t
present lordshipsimportance esuch •and, • In The Austrian Government said that the expedition to relinesbeen ~ , oppor um y seemed
me to point out to your the enormous not rennin„ instructions, my lords, I firmly Montenegro then to hay© arisen when mutual friends might treat the
that, had the fleet was carried on upon very large scale, con-
of maintaining the independence and integrity of Turkey ; beliehveee_di)e.n a
re
adva entered the Dardanelles, , liar, the allieda ewers at Constan- matter as having entered into a new phase. It had then
and, indeed, I should not touch upon the subject at all if I we s
_1
.s mo ntageous position than at pre- I
powers
11 t' -nces certainly, by the occupation of this portion of the Turkish
not aware that there is a certain section of, politician
s sent. It ought to have been the Policy of this country it o a ee prosi ,
nople, so as to endanger the secur y . territory and in contravention of oxi- ' •
were
par o ..e .
—a small one, happily—who openly, and without hesitse advance step by ate with P n
There • p another ease a, and retreat in a similar het there would be a rising of her a European character, which imposed upon other Powers
tion, declare that the maintenance of the independence d
c°
and
tamanner.t fleetsesial oder reason why it was most desirablereason to apprehend t .
would be in dewier. tinder the necessity of interfering in some way or other to put an
integrity of the Turkish empire is a matter which signifies the enter the Dardanelles. people, and that her frontier wou a
a mission to the Porte, end to such a state of things. Them ediation of Austria
very little to this country. ;an when these persons.
are
s may not be aware that thorn • exists considerable
lord- these circumstances, Austria sent
hdillud be offered. Wh h '
n- eisement at C nstantinoconsiderable ex- to request that this expedition of Omer Pasha s
et er it was asked for or not, or offered
shown that, unless the independence of Torkey
to
emrai ple among the Turkish It. end to, and to-represent, thatealthough she not washou being asked for I don't exactly know; I only know
d and theref reother npu a ion, put an
...
tained, this country will not be able to maintain h o . esecond daneer. There is th thmity of the Sultan over the was acted upon. Th, e Austrian C t ad
hevent ofthe ,evernmen m e a
to India, they .go so far as to say that oven in suet an . Russians proCeeding in the** the danger mean to nispuse eau
lice
manner
in which his autho- most fair and rea '
as that, there is, in their opinion, no. very grea
tealamity. and there is the danger of the T r career of aggression, MOntenegrinA, but merely
a'n on in the “ y e . • •
sonaele proposition, saying to the Porte,
lam well aware that it is scarcely worth while o answer the Government into measures urkish popul t• forcing
a ion rity was exec,
, • rcised yet that such a contest eta g _ You have rejected this note ; furnish us with such a
d enerous to her- noto as
hich • bourine power was a, 0 we may send to St. Petersburg—something which
• but I must beg your lordships to recollect actually bring on a war •and if Which might expedite or territory of a neigh
'retreatof the Turkish army, 1: sl -I
such politicians, . ,
d d nee of Turkey is just now. the Dardanelles
the danger
of what importance the in open e not aware that any stipulations were violated-All of Russia. Furnish us with such a note as that, and we
this moment the trade between England and The appearance of the would not be so imminent am
•found 1 500 or 2 000 men wore afterwards cap- will 110.,
My lords, at
two-thirds than that between nEngland all 'suspicion from
combined fleets
would have removed I was, that , ' d given orders forwith- „nee to send it to St. Petersburg, and support it when
Turkey is better bythe minds of the 1 the p le, tared, even after the Sultan had gi • there." A Ministerial crisis and other causes which at this
This, then, being the fact that our and would have afforded decisive Sultan and
e - e°-
e'
drawing his force. Her Majesty's Government were in moment lam unable to explain,delay' '
more important by two-thirds than and France would proof that this country caused at Constan-
trade with Turkey is
stand by the Ottoman
empire. It would constant. communication with Austria to insure the full tinople, and the Austrian Government, foreseeing the
that with Russia, your lordships will immediately perceive , have been useful also incasecompletion of the terms of the stipulations that no
the Sultan should require as- injury very great dangers that would arise from delay, called to-
that if Constantinople, the great emporium of• Turkish sistanee against the violence andexcitement - cts• should be done to the Turkish authority. I have reason getlier the representatives of the other Powers the Minis-
commerce, should, by the division and dismemberment of , I must repeat, my lords, that lof his sultijheiave
to believe that those stipulations were carried out, and tern of FranCe En eland, and Prue ' a 1 ;reposed to
the empire of Turkey, fall into the hands of Russia, three i had good reason, unknown to us, elsrthtteGovlernmen
they have that the efforts made by. the Austrian Government in that take as a basis 'the note which hadsia,originated with the
great powers would be in possession of the Mediterranean . adopted, I cannot but think that t they have lc
committed a direction were quite satiefactory. The neat point to which French Government, which, with h modifica-
a
—France, Russia, and England—instead of, as at present, grave error. R •d alluded as a roof that -
Raving made these observations, I will saybut my noble frien , p time French and tions, they proposed should be laid before the Goverments
England and France. Your lordships will perceive that little more, but I must apologise to our lordships before English Governments were not acting cordially together, of the Emperor and of the Sultan as a means of settling
I
if another great power gained possession of the Medlterree I sit down for the time I have taken up, and I must thank and that this again must halve influenced the Russian Go- the differences. These modifications were, in the first