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AUSTRIA. •
General Haynau, who was at Florence when the
' insurrection broke out in Milan, is now in Vienna.
His indifference to public opinion is as complete as
ever, for he a few days since amused his acquaint-
ancesexhibiting a caricature of himself, which
picked up at Turin. Instead of orders the
Fhe e by
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had e i
igmeister's breast was ornamented with
nice little.collectien of gibbets.
A telegraphic despatch from Vienna, dated the
12th,, announces that the Emperor had that day
attended the celebration of Te Dcum at the Cathe-
dralThocity guilds formed a line along the
of St. Stephen.
passage of
the cortege .from. the 'to 'the church. The en-
thusiasm was general. The ceremony was admir-
able. The carriage which conveyed the Emperor
to the cathedral was followed by all the Court func-
tionaries, the whole of the municipal authorities of
Vienna, and all the officers of the garrison. There
were no troops on duty. The enthusiasm of the
people equalled the demonstrations of joy. In the
evening all the houses of the capital were splendidly
illuminated. The illumination extended even into
the most distant faubourgs. The Bourse was closed
in honour of the solemnity; and the theatres were
closed for the same reason. The most perfect order
prevailed during the day. Not a single accident is
to be deplored.

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His Majesty's eyesight
improves, but is still so
much affected that he is unable to take in a couple
of lines of middle-sized type at a glance. Distant
objects are more clearly reflected on the retina.
letter to the Emperor.
Her Majesty Queen Victoria
.... has written a second

In a long article the Austrian Correspondez re-
views the events that. have, to use the Ministerial
language, "restored the old amicable relations the-
tween Austria and. Turkey." The claims of the
Imperial Government are described as of a triple
nature—thaw founded upon the rights of nations,
of individuals, and the interests of humanity.
No sooner had Count Leiningen turned his back
(writes a correspondent of the Ost Deutsche Post of
the 26th ult.( than the Russian Minister began to
harp upon the same string, demanding from the
Porte a promise never more to undertake the sub-
give Montenegro,formal anrecOdgnasitaion pledge of its
of the inde-
pendence of the Black Mountain. If we may cre-
jsuiretriiotny, otfo
dit this authority, a secret clause was inserted in
the Austrian compact, empowering the Imperial
generals to take immediate satisfaction, vi et annis,
for any future injuries committed by the Turks on
the Austrian frontier, without, waiting for the an-
swer to a written protest or reclamation.
By the latest accounts it appears that the Turk-
ish troops have evacuated Montenegro.

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tendency being' the Loan.
Shares present but little alteration, DEPUTATION TO THE CHANCELLOR OF THE
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Turkish Loan is sf. higher, closing at 1,020 f. The
allotment -letters mown at
er ses Loan, I On Saturday, an important and influential deputation
contracted by M . de Rothschild, of Paris, were —comprising many members of Parliament and the
sent out to-day. It was remarked that the sums heads of the leading commercial and mercantile houses
allotted were unusually small. Exchange on Lon-
in the city of London and the various outports of. the
don (short), 25f. 5c., money : ditto (90 days), 24f.
90c. kingdom—waited, by appointment, upon the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, at his official residence, in DoWning-
street, for the purpose of representing the views and sen-
timents entertained by the mercantile community with
reference to the present administration of the Board of
Customs, and to urge upon the right hon. gentleman the
necessity for a prompt and effectual reform of the regu-
lations and machinery for that department.
Precisely at one o'clock Mr. Gladstone entsred the
room where the deputation were assembled, accom-
panied by Mr. Wilson, M.P.
Mr. J. I. TRAVERS introduced the deputation.
Mr. W. Brown, M.P. for Lancashire ; Mr. Turner,
M.P. ; Mr. A. astic, M.P.; Mr. R. W. Cranford,
and' Mr. Powles (Secretary to the London Dock Co.),
addressed the Chancellor upon the various points con-
tained in a memorial which Mr. Travers had handed to
the right hon. gentleman.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then said
Gentlemen, in the first place let me state what I had
hoped had been made clear by the answer which I gave
to a question from Mr. Mitchell, on a recent occasion,
in the house of Commons—that any apprehensions con-
nected with my former answer to Mr. Horsfall must
have arisen entirely out of a misunderstanding. If re-
ference be made to Mr. Horsfall's question, it will be
seen that that question with regard to the necessity of
an act of Parliament, was limited to the point of the act
defining and determining the constitution of the Board
of Customs, which, when I saw it, I concluded to have
special reference to the adoption of the suggestion that
the members of the board—at all events, that the chair-
man of the Board of Customs should have a seat in the
House of Commons. My answer to Mr. Horsfall's
question referred exclusively, as far as the intentions of
the Government were concerned, to .the constitution of
the Board of Customs, and not to the improvement of
the Customs department and machinery, because acts of
Parliament are in preparation for the purposes to which
reference has here been made—especially as bearing on
the warehousing system, and the combination and codi-
fication, as it is called, of the Customs laws. I hope I
have removed any apprehensions that have arisen
as to the purport of Mr. Horsfall's question, or
my answer. Whether Mr. Horsfall had framed his
question so as to convey accurately and fully his
own meaning, I do not know ; but still I looked at the
words of the question as they stood on the votes, and I
believe if you refer to them you will find they refer ex-
clusively to the constitution of the Board of Customs,
and not to the improvement of the department and ma-
chinery of that board. (Hear, hear.) Now, with re-
spect to the bills which it is desired should be submitted
to the commercial body for the consideration of their
practical details, I, am not aware that any intimation
was given at the time of the formation of the present
Government, that these bills would be submitted to the
commercial body for the consideration of their practical
details. What I would say upon that question is this—
there can be no objection in point of principle to the sub-
mission of the drafts of bills to the parties interested be-
fore they are introduced to Parliament. It is a pure
question, in the main, of practical convenience. It must
be considered on its own merits ; and certainly that is
an important element in the case to which Mr. Hastie
has referred, viz., that the responsibility of the Govern-
ment should .not be shifted from its own shoulders.
(Hear, hear.) • In this instance I am glad the deputa-
tion has assembled, on account particularly of its in-
cluding representatives from Liverpool, and the other
outports ; because it was a difficulty felt by many of the
committee of the House of Commons on customs re-
form, and I myself felt it for one—that all along we
seemed to be discussing the case of London exclusively.
So far I am glad that we have here very nearly a re-
presentation of the commercial interest of the kingdom
at large. Now, with respect to these bills, the whole
question really is, in what manner can they be made
most widely known ; and in what manner can the freest
scope be given to the commercial community for can-
vassing their details, and fully bringing to the know-
ledge of the Government and of Parliament their wishes
in regard to those details. (Hear, hear, hear.) That
is the entire question. I cannot say what'the decision
of the Government may be as to 'submitting -these bills
in draft to any bodies of persons connected with the
commercial classes, for I frankly own I am not clear in
my own mind—l am perfectly willing to be instructed
about it—but lam not aware that that would be the
best way of bringing them fully and impartially under
the consideration of all classes of the commercial com-
munity. Some portions of that community are near
head-quarters, and are well organised for the purpose of
these discussions. For them such a course would be
highly convenient ; but there are many other portions
of the commercial classes that are not so organised, and
who might possibly consider they had been treated with
something less than fairness, if they had not the same
opportunities of becoming acquainted with the details of
these bills at the same period. I should like to know
what would be the disadvantage under which any por-
tfon of the commercial community would be placed by
the introduction of these bills into Parliament, and giv-
ing them ample time for consideration after they are so
introduced, and before they go into committee. (Hear,
hear.) I may be wrong, but Ido not see what the dis-
advantage would be. If there is any, it should be
stated ; for the Government have no wish but to be put
in the fullest possession of the wishes of the entire
commercial community. (Hear.) The printing and cir-
culation of these bills undoubtedly give them great pub-
licity. It is not like the case of a measure of great po-
litical importance, or a measure that turns upon the
adoption of some broad and comprehensive principle.
We must, I think, be all agreed on the general prin-
ciples on which we are to proceed. For instance, as to
publicity, it is impossible but that the Government must
feel the strongest sympathy with those gentlemen who
express a wish for the greatest publicity in the manage-
ment of the Customs revenue. It is highly honourable
to them, it is accordant with the character of English-
men, and it would be discreditable to the Government if
they did not give the widest application of that principle
in the preparation of the measures they are about to in-
troduce. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the simplifica-
tion of the tariff, no gentlemen here need be assured that
the Government entirely enters into and sympathises
with the desire to effect that object. (Hear, hear.) I
do not wish to say anything of myself individually, but I
had the satisfaction of being the framer of that portion
of the measure introduced in 1845, which for the first
time set one moiety, or more than one moiety of the
articles imported into this country entirely free from
duty. (Hear, hear.) Of course it is the desire of the
Government to give the utmost possible scope to the ap-
plication of that principle, I think there is no question
of principle at issue between us. If there were, discus-
sion previous to the introduction of the measure would
be most important. But the whole question turns upon
this, how can we best adjust all the complex details ne-
cessary for the collection of the large revenue which is
levied on imports with the greatest security to the Ex-
chequer, with due regard to the interests of the Crown,
and the least interferenee with the course of trade ?
Now that depends upon a multitude of details ; and
we have a common interest in having those details
adjusted in the best possible manner. If there were
a strong wish expressed in the commercial community
that any particular course should be taken in
submitting the drafts of these bills to particular bodies,
or, on the other hand, with regard to introducing
them into Parliament, and then letting them circulate
freely, and giving time for consideration—l will frankly
own, if that is their strong wish, the Government might
not wait to be urged to take that course, but might
take it once in deference to that wish. But I hope gen-
tlemen will consider whether, upon the whole, the most
convenient and equable course may not be that we
should introduce these bills, and having introduced them,
allow ample time for their consideration. (Hear, hear.)
You arc aware that Parliament frequently adopts a
form—which is a very convenient one in cases where the
principle of a measure is admitted, but where the details
require a great deal of consideration, which I take to be
the definition of this case—it is the common practice of
Parliament, after reading a bill a second time, when
time is given for collecting suggestions as to details, to
allow the bill to go through committee for the purpose
of being reprinted, and embodying all the suggestions
which may meet with general approval. So that, in
putting before you the alternative to be pursued—the
introduction of those bills, and allowing them to be cir-
culated throughout the country—you would not
thereby be placed in the disadvantageous position
of accumulating a great mass of amendments, and
having them discussed as amendments in com-
mittee. That certainly is a disadvantageous position,
(Hear.) My own opinion is this, subject to cor-
rection, that the most convenient course would be to
introduce the bills—(hear, hear)—in which case we
would make every effort to introduce them on the earliest
possible day. (Hear, hear.) Then, I dare say, the ex-
perience and knowledge of the commercial community
would enable them to suggest various valuable amend-
ments. We should have the opportunity of examining
and considering these amendments, and of communi-
cating with the commercial body in reference to them,
not know,
and all such amendments as appeared worthy of adop-
tion might be embodied in the bill, and then the bill
would be printed before being submitted in detail to the
consideration of the House of Commons. (Hear, hear.)
eyri if
disposition
roves eiitrsiyoanns tyrotonhni gntahelse
wishe part iisnoetf
hx pet rhienes
esume expressed,
That, I am inclined to think, would be the course that
would most fully meet the interests of the commercial
communitymtoaatyfollpaloorgiwnet.
tohußetu.cto,(uHarssee.lars7ahhideicabhrftohrlee,edxiotpirsesasiqoun:
TtttrhihieoaearnlrilteV nw
gentlemen,e uponisniChl tlh be
it wwhihesieventheher,cessary for me to notice at the present
time. The various points which have been raised by the
report of the Customs committee are now under Careful
consideration. And with respect to the Treasury'
minute

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you are aware that it is necessary that there should be a
Treasury minute as the basis of the bills which are ac-
tually in formation, in order that they may be put
forward in a regular manner. If there be any other
point to which you desire to call my attention, I shall
be happy to hear it. (Hear, hear.)
Mr: HOME, M.P., thought the great object in all these
cases was to have responsibility, and he was strongly in
favour of the course recommended by Mr. Gladstone,
viz., that the bills should be first introduced into Parlia-
mont by ahe Government, and after that to allow time
for the mercantile community to offer such suggestions
and amendments as they thought proper before the
clauses were discussed in Parliament.

Mr. Divett, M.P., and Mr. Ileacllam, M.P., con-
curred with Mr. Hume. In reply to some observations
from Mr. Travers,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he wished to
impress upon their minds, that by the forms of the House
of Commons every facility would be given to them to
offer their suggestions. There was no pledge, no. point
of honour, no party feeling, which could indite° a Go-
vernment to adhere to the letter, or even the general
form, of its recommendations on a subject of this kind.
It often happened that• bills of detail were printed
at the end of a session, for circulation through-
out the country during the recess, in order to 'ob-
tain the opinions of those whose interests they might
affect. The effect of the mode of proceeding which
he contemplated would be, that suggestions would be
received, that amendments would be embodied in the
bill, atid that the bill would be reprinted before the
House of Commons was called upon- to consider it in
detail. (Hear.) A bill of this kind would not of neces-
sity be referred to a select committee. It must in the
regular course of things go through discussion in the
face of the whole house in the first place at any. rate,
whether referred to a select committee or not. But
what he wished to impress upon the minds of the depu-
tation was this, that they would not be precluded by the
introduction of the bills from making suggestions upon
them, and having those suggestions considered by the
Government before they could come 'under debate in the
House of Commons, and this• he apprehended was the
main object in view.
Mr. CRAWFORD said he was sure the deputation could
not leave that room without every gentleman carrying
away a deep sense of the courtesy they had received at
the hands of the right hon. gentleman—(cheers)--a con-
viction that the question would continue to receive the
anxious attention of the Government, and that the in-
terests of the mercantile community would be fully re-
garded in any decision that might be come td.
The deputation then thanked the right hon. gentle-
man and withdrew.

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