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occasion, and he did it on this ground, that it was an inter-
ference with the details of a department which had far
better be left in the hands of the Executive. (Hear.) He
had never heard any complaints from his constituents on
the subject, who, as he said, dealt largely in the manufac-
ture of whisky, and without going into details, he was
satisfied that if it was not for the convenience of the
service, the Admiralty would not refuse to allow it to

be tried.
Mr. STAFFORD could not believe that the Admiralty,
in the course they took on this occasion, were considering
any interest, Irish or West Indian, or any effect of their
decision, except its effect upon the navy. The only means
of testing the proposition would be to serve particular ships
with whisky or gin instead of rum, and that, he thought,
would be a most dangerous experiment, considering how
long our seamen had been used to a particular spirit, and
how great was the pleasure they found in it. Though he
had every wish for the prosperity of Irish distillation, he
must vote against the proposition of the honourable get-

tleman.
The house divided—
For Mr. O'Brien's amendment 3B
Against it 97
Majority against
PRIVATEERING.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that Mr. M. Gibson had given no-
tice that on Tuesday next he should move for the presenta-
tion of an address to the Crown, stating that it was the opi-
nion of the house that privateering was a species of warfare
which ought not to be sanctionedby the British Government
and praying that her Majesty, in the exercise of her pre-
rogative, would not grant any letters of marque or reprisal
to the owners of any private vessels. He had now to in-
form the right hon. gentleman that the whole of the sub-
ject to which he had drawn attention was under the consi-
deration of her Majesty's Government, and that he (Sir J.
Graham) had a very confident persuasion that in a very
short time it would be his duty to call the attention of the
house to it. Perhaps, under these circumstances, the right
hon. gentleman would not press his motion on Tuesday
next ?
Mr. GIBSON said, in answer to the appeal of the right
hon. gentleman, that his motion was applicable as well to
a state of peace as to a state of impending war. His object
was to get a Parliamentary opinion on the policy of
privateering or of robbing merchant ships on the high
seas. But certainly if the Government were about to bring
the question before Parliament, he should be bound to
postpone his motion (Hear, hear.) Though in postponing
it he must reserve to himself the power of submitting to
the house the address he proposed, in case he deemed it
necessary to do so, for the purpose of obtaining a Parlia-
mentary determination on the subject. He acceded to the
request of the postponement.
Mr. DISE, :.T.41 inquired whether any communication
on the subject of privateering had been made to any
foreign Government ?
Sir J. GRAHAM replied in the negative.
Mr. GIBSON asked the First Lord of the Admiralty to
state when he would bring this question before the house.
Sir J. GRAHAM answered that he hoped to be able to
announce the time next week.
ROMAN CATHOLIC SOLDIERS.

Mr. LUCAS directed attention to certain grievances
suffered, as he alleged, by the Roman Catholic soldiersand
sailors employed in the army and navy. These grievances
arose from the insufficient allowances granted for their
religious services, and from the bad pay and treatment of
the Roman Catholic chaplains. The hon. member sup-
ported his views by citing a large number of instances,
showing the nature and extent of the injustice of which he
complained, and insisted, in a speech of considerable
length, upon the necessity of providing some remedy.
Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT replied on behalf of the
army, pointing out the principles on which the present
arrangements were established and the difficulties of
altering them. He was endeavouring to contrive some
amelioration in certain details, among which he mentioned
some provisions for religious instruction in military pri-
sons, and a plan for regulating the pay of chaplains of all
, persuasions.
Sir J. GRAHAM, speaking for the navy, said that the
established religion of the country was Protestant, and it
was impossible on board ship to provide for more than one
religious persuasion. When in harbour he admitted that
no sufficient facilities were at present afforded to the Ro-
man Catholic sailors to attend service on shore. Arrange-
ments were however making, in concert with the prelates
of that Church, for supplying this defect in the principal
ports of the United Kingdom, as it had already been sup-
plied in Malta.
_ The subject then dropped, and the house went into com-
mittee of supply.
ARMY ESTIMATES.

Mr. S. HERBERT rose to move a supplemental esti-
mate, of which notice had been given on a former evening.
After the statement which the noble lord the member for
London had already addressed to the house, it was alto-
gether unnecessary to trouble the committee with any de-
tailed explanation of the object of the estimate. It would
be recollected, also, that he himself, on introducing the
Army Estimates, had communicated the reasons which
rendered necessary an additional estimate over and above
the number of men which had already been voted. Al-
though the estimate formed only one item in the paper, he
would ask the committee to vote it in three items, in order
that these might be posted under their proper heads: in the
general estimates, with the view of facilitating comparison,
in future years. In the first place he would move that an
additional number of men, not exceeding 15,000, be main-
tained for the service of the United Kingdom for the year
ending the 31st of March, 1855.
In answer to a question from Colonel DUNNE,
Mr. S. HERBERT was understood to say that it was
intended that fresh men should be added to the existing
companies. It was thought that additional officers would
not be required at present; but should it be found desir
able to employ any, they would be taken from the half-pay
list.
Sir J. P,A.KINGTON observed that, although the right
hon. gentleman had, answered the question. of the 15sUant
officer, he had not explained how the larger additional
number of men which he asked for was to be distributed.
Mr. S. HERBERT stated that the greater portion of
the new force would be absorbed in the existing regiments
by raising the number of each company. A considerable
number would also be kept in reserve for casualties in con-
nexion with the regiments on foreign service. He thought
it would be unnecessary to appoint new officers except for
the superintendence of combined depots, in which it was
thought that recruits would be brought forward more
rapidly than isolated depots scattered over the country.
The vote was then agreed to, as were the following
500,000/. to defray the charge of the additional forces.
70,0001. for the staff.
On the motion of Mr. WILSON, the following votes
were agreed to :-
600,271/. for the commissariat department.
44,3021. for commissariat half-pay and pensions.
The house resumed, and next went into committee on
THE COASTING TRADE BILL.

In reply to a question from Sir G. TYLER,
Sir J. GRAHAM said that Ministers had not any inten-
tion at present to advise her Majesty to give effect to the
reciprocity clause in the Navigation Laws Amendment Act.
Mr. BENTINCK expressed his apprehension that the
consequences of the passing of the present bill would be the
transference of the coasting trade to foreigners, and the
destruction of our only real nursery for seamen.
The clauses were agreed to, and the house resumed.
The Commons Enclosure Bill was read a second time.
The report on the Coasting Trade Bill was brought up
and received.
Mr. WILSON moved that the house, at its rising, do
adjourn until Monday next.—Agreed to.
The house then adjourned at a few minutes after 10.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—Mews 3.
SUPPLY.

Order for committee read; motion made, and question pro.
posed, " That Mr. Speaker do now leave the chair
Amendment proposed, to leave out from the word " That"
to the end of the question, in order to add the words, " it
is the opinion of the house, that, prior to any future con-
tract for the supply of spirits for the use of her Majesty's
navy being made, tenders for the supply of home-made
spirits be admitted"—instead thereof :—Question put,
" That the words proposed to be left ont stand part of the
question ;"—The house divided ; ayes, 97, noes, 38.

AYES-97.
A'Court, C. Gibson, T. Pilkington, J.
Anderson, Sir J. Gladstone, W. Ricardo, J.
Ba'nes, Rt. Mon. M. Qoulburn, H. Ricardo, 0.
Barnes, T. Graham, Sir J. Rice, B.
Barrow, W. Grenfell, Chas. Russell, Lord J.
Ball, J. Hadfield, G. Russell, F. C.
merk eley, Hon. C. Harcourt, G. Sandars, G.
Bethell, Sir R. Hastie, Alex. Sawle, C.
Biggs, W. Herbert, H. Smith, J. B.
Bonham-Carter, J. Herbert, S. Smollett, A.
Bouverie, Hon. E. P. Hervey, Lord A. Stafford, A.
Boyle, Lt.• Col. Hotham, Lord Stanley, Lord
Brotherton, J. Irton. S. Strutt, E.
Brown, W. Keogh, W. Sutton, J.
Buckeley, Gen. Kershaw, J. Tancred. H.
Butler, C. Lang ton, H. G. Thompson, G.
Byng, G. Laslett, W. Thornely, T.
cheetham, John Lee, W. Tyler, Sir G.
Chelsea, Viscount Lemon, Sir C. Villiers, C.
Clay, Sir W. Bt. Lewis, Sir T. F. Walmsley, Sir J.
Cobden, R. Lindsay, Col. J. Whitbread, 8.
Collier, R. P. Lowe, R. Wilkinson, W.
Cowan, C. Macgregor, Jas. Wilcox, B.
Cowper, W. F. Massey, W. Williams. W.
Craufurd, E. H. J. Maule, Lieut.-Col. L. Wilson, J.
Crossley, F, Miall, E. Winnington, Sir T.
Dent, J. D. Milligan, R. Wise. A.
Duncan, G. Milner, W. Wyndham, W.
Dunlop, A. Moffatt, G. Young, Sir J.
Feilden, M. Molesworth, Sir W.
Ferguson, 4, .11untz, G. TELLERS.
Fitzroy, Hon. H. Osborne, R.
Forester, Col G. Palmerston,,Visct. Hayter, W.
Forster, C. Pigott, F. Mulgrave, Earl of

NOES-38.
Ball, E. Hayes, Sir E. O'Connell, J.
Bellew, T. Jones. D. Oliveira, B.
Blair, Col. J. H. Keating, R. Potter, R.
Booth, Sir ltt. Gore Kennedy T. Power, N.
Brady, J. Kirk, W. Richardson, J.
Davison, R. Langton, W. H. P. G. Robertson, P.
Disraeli, Rt. Hon. B. Lucas, F. Russell, F. W.
Fitz Gerald, J. Macartney, G. Sullivan. Michael
Forbes, W. M'Cann, J. Swift, R.
French, F. Macgalre, J. Vance, J.
Grace, 0. Manners, Lord J.
Greville, Col. F. Michell, W.
Hamilton, Lord C. Murrough, J.
Hamilton, G. A. O'Connell, D.

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O'Brien, P.
Dunne, Col.

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