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London, England, 1853-07-01 00:00:00

'PERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.

PETITIONS.

Lord BEAUMONT presented a petition from Glou-
cester, in favour of the establishment of tribunals of
Commerce.
Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from Kelso,
in favour of the substitution of affirmations for oaths.
The Earl of EGLINTON presented a petition from
Glasgow, praying for the reform of the Legislative
Assembly of Jamaica.
Lord MONTEAGLE presented a petition from Mr.
Robert Owen, praying for a select committee to inquire
into his scheme for the education of the people.
EMIGRATION OF AFRICANS TO THE WEST
INDIES.
In reply to Lord BROUGHAM.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE said there was an exist-
ing arrangement—he could not say whether it was made
by the Colonial-office or not—with Messrs. Hythe aade
and
Hodges, by which they were enabled by a stipulated
sum to introduce free emigrants from the coast of
Africa to certain of the West India colonies. Though
he believed that firm had carried out the arrangement
in a most praiseworthy manner, he admitted it might
give rise to great evils, and, perhaps, degenerate in other
other hands into an encouragement of the slave trade,
and the matter would, therefore, be watched over most
carefully by the Government. He had no objection to
produce the contract with the parties in question, but
it would be delirable to accompany it by other docu-
ments.
Earl GREY explained that the contract was entered
into by the Colonial-office in 1848, when the greatest
distress prevailed in the West India colonies, and
when it was desirable to import free labourers into
them from the coast of Africa. He bore testimony
to the integrity with which Messrs. Hythe and Hodges
had carried out the contract, and stated the precautions
which he had taken when in office, to prevent the emi-
gration of these labourers becoming a means of trafficing
in the slave trade.
The subject then e dropp d
Rushbrook's Divorce -B ill, the Colonial Bishops' Act
Extension Bill, and the Patronage Exchange Bill, were
severally read a second time.
The Excise Duties on Spirits, and the Juvenile Men-
dicancy bills went through committee.
STATE OF JAMAICA.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE laid on the table papers
relating to the dissagreement between the Governor
of Jamaica and the House of Assembly of that island.
The Noble Duke having entered at some length into
the history of the dissensions which had arisen between
the Executive Council and the Legislative Assembly,
referring to the crisis at which the difficulty had
arrived, in the non-renewal of the import and rum
duties, which were the sole resource of the island's
revenue, stated that her Majesty's Government had
determined to recall Sir Charles Grey, the present
Governor, and replace him by Mr. Barkley, lately Go-
vernor of Guiana, at a reduced salary of 5,0001., beine.
1,0001. less than that of the present Governor. 3,5001.
of this would, for the next three years, be paid by this
country, the remainder being secured by a colonial fund.
It was also proposed to assist the island by a loan of
5,000/., at 3 per cent., to enable them to effect a reduc-
tion in their public establishments, by giving compensa-
tion to the present officers, and also to establish a sink-
ing fund to pay off their debt, which amounts to
700,000/., on which the island is at present paying 6 per
cent.

The Earl of DERBY agreed with the noble duke it
would be premature at present to enter into a discusion
on the state of Jamaica, and the causes of the distress
that existed in that island. He was so far from finding
fault with the course that was proposed to be pursued,
that, in fact, a similar line of conduct with regard to
Jamaica had been determined upon by the late govern-
ment—(hear, hear)—he had the pleasure of saying,
that the gentleman who had been selected as go-
vernor—Mr. Barkley—was well fitted for the dis-
charge of the important duties that would devolve
upon him, as his experience in the West India
Island especially qualified him for effecting the changes
which the state of the island required. He (Earl Derby)
would, however, have been better pleased to have seen
3.1 r. Barkley's new efforts marked with a more excep-
tional character, and that he had gone to Jamaica as
Commissioner rather than as governor. In fact, he should
have gone out with special powers to report on the state
of the island, rather than as a permanent governor. By
ad optinz that course. Government might have given
him a higher salary than they could possibly give him as
governor. He thought that 5,0001. a year, which was
to be the reduced salary, was higher than should be
given in the reduced state of the finances of the island,
and that a greater reduction than from 6,000/. to 5,000/.
should have been made. He hoped there would be a
guarantee that the income of the island would be able to
meet its expenditure, and to pay the interest of the
money to her advanced.

Earl GREY could not agree that it would have been
desirable to have sent out Mr. Barkly rather as a
commissioner than as a governor, because it was im-
portunt that that gentleman should have all the power
and influence which a governor was supposed to be pos-
sessed of. He should not have objected to a legal corn-
mission being sent out with the governor, with the
View of aiding persons in the colony to so arrange the
law as to get rid of the difficulty in which the colony
was placed, owing to its institutions, which were origi-
nally made applicable to a system of slavery, whereas the
Population of the colony was now free. He had great
confidence in the resources of Jamaica if they were pro-
perly developed. Jamaica was blessed with a soil of
great fertility, and a climate well calculated to promote
that fertility. All that was required was, that the in-
stitutions of the colony should be remodelled in the way
that he suggested, and if this were done he anticipated
that the greatest good would arise to the colony. If,
ho wever, the subject was neglected, he had the greatest
fear that the state of Jamaica would be most perilous.
Earl ST. VINCENT addressed the house, but in so
low a tone that it was impossible to hear his observations.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE said he bad heard the sen-
timents of the noble lord in reference to Jamaica, but
he could not concur in his apprehensions in reference to
that colony, whether it regarded its social or commer-
cial character. His observations led him to think that
if the finances of the country were properly managed,
they would be equal to the expenditure of the colony.
The subject then dropped.
PUNISHMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
The LORD CHANCELLOR moved the first reading
of a bill, the object of which was to substitute for trans-
Portation in certain cases the punishment of imprison-
ment.

The bill was read a first time, and their lordships
adjourned,

11°USE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.

NEWEMBER.
Mr. IroltsmAx took theM oaths and his seat for Stroud,
in the room of Lord Moreton, who has succeeded to the
earldom of Ducie•
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
Rt/liiihve__BaYsvvater, Paddington, and Holborn-bridge
Dock 4{,ricstßirkenhead Dock Company ; Birkenhead
North-Wes2rteen s ; Llynvi Valley Railway; London and
aud Nuor_tolin-yy and Buckinghamshire Railways London
estern Railway (Tring and Oxford) ; New-
castle-
ecc, Itchl'ci . -!.:37ne Improvement ; Pendleton, Swinton,
provenion Swansea Valley Railway ; and Pimlico Im-
The Loston s were read a third time and passed.
South staffor_Ud. Midland Counties Railway and Docks,
with Docks anulr Railway, Battersea Park, and Har-
Mr. GREnipier Bills were read a third time.
a4-c! presented a petition from the attornies
of
MLarn.cHasAeDPlr-slthe Registration of Assurance Bill.
against the EciueaV presented a petition from Sheffield
Mr. SPOO_NE.R por:geßnitleLd
petition from Birmingham
against the Kegistration of Assurances Bill.
Mr. AGLIONBY presented a petition from Cocker-
mouth in favour of the ..tahlisluneut of ocean penny
postage.
Mr. MILLIGAN presented _
trustees of the East Morley Savings mention from the
alik'omatgaihenesltecteeersr.
of the ' te
fain parts of the Savings Bank Bill.
r Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from
of the city of Peterborough,. complaining
ference of Earl Fitzwilliam in the two last electioi: fort.-
,
• that city, for the purpose of controlling the voters
intimidation, persuasion, treating, and bribery Thepetitioners also alleged that the late petition_ presented
against the return of Mr. Whalley was in fact instigated
and sustained at the expense of the said Earl Fitzwilliam.
The petition prayed in conclusion for the appointment
of a select committee to inquire into these circumstances ;
and the hon. member gave notice that on a future even-
, log he should move for a select committee for the pur-
pose of inquiring into the allegations of the petition.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from
Lewisham, complaining of the unjust treatment of the
poor in the union workhouse of that place.
Mr. CHEETHAM presented petitions from various
dissenting congregations against the Education Bill.
Mr. ALEX. HASTIE presented a petition from Glas-
ROW in favour of the India Bill.
~ Mr. R. CURRIE presented petitions from Northamp-
ton and other places in favour of marriage with a de-
ceased wife's sister.

HIGHGATE ARCHWAY.
In answer to Mr. FREWEN,
"
Mr. FITZROY said that there was no intention
he part of the Government, and, in fact, the Go-
vver4enment
11. had no right to demand, that the Trustees of
act. Igbgate Archway Road should apply for a new

Mr. tA , COLONIAL SUGAR.
quer wheq-i_LeLLIE asked the Chancellor of the Exche-
fused to Itli, r it was true that the Government had re-
in bond ; and British Plantation Sugars to be refined
the duties or, whether the Government intends, when
vilege of ref:lin all sugars were equalised, that the pri-
equal to 2s. perg in bond, which was considered a bonus
foreign slave groe:t-, should be continued in favour of
the British colonieristangar, and refused to the produce of
The CHANCEL'
that
-a-t
that the hon. gentlero of the EXCHEQUER said
facts, as the Government: must be mistaken as to the
refusa
uesti lof the sort. withbrad gidven no decided or final
egar to the second part of
the qon, that Was a matter for future consideration.
GOVERNMENT
Mr. WARNER asked the pr ' INDIA.
Control, whether, in the event oefsittent of the Board of
to the second reading of the India Lhouse consenthw
1.11,1. her Majestyhes
Government would be willing, in
expressed opinion of many members 4'atille hwouitshe,t to

insert a clause limiting the duration of the intended act f 'seed so thoroughly as was expected, or give better ser-
to some certain short term of years ? 1 vants to India than the present system had done. The
Lord J. RUSSELL said the Government would not jurisprudence of India he regarded as defective, and he
introduce any such clause into the bill. thought Parliament ought to carry out the spirit of the
ADMISSION OF JEWS INTO PARLIAMENT. act of 1833 with regard to the employment of the na-
In answer to Mr. D UNCOMBE, tives, an that they ought to have all the benefit of the
Lord J. RUSSELL said he had no intention of covenanted service. The power of levying war in India
was a moist dangerous power to give the President of the
bringing any measure before Parliament this session of
Board of Control and the Secret Committee, and the
that description.
wonder to him was, that it had been exercised with so
THE CAMP AT CHOBHAM. little precipitation and injustice. He did not consider
Sir G. GOODMAN asked if there would be any ob- that the natives of India were sufficiently prepared for a
jection to inform the public beforehand of the days on decisive change ; when they were so he would be pre-
which reviews were to take place at Chobham? pared to go as fir as any practical man could go • and he
Lord PALMERSTON said the main object of assem- must comfess that he believed the time not to be' far dis-
Ming the troops at Chobliam was to prepare them by taut Wien the government of India must be invested in
previous instruction for all the exigencies of war. One the Crown. He was willing to admit that the government
essential point was, that they should never know before- of India had worked wonderfully well, considering the
hand what they were tcs do the next day, whether they manner in which it was constituted. The body of men
would be awakened in the middle of the night or at day- who were to form the Government of India were elected
break. If the public were let into the secret, it would by about 2,000 electors, who took no interest whatever
be difficult to keep the troops in the dark ; but those in India, and the company had long ceased to be a
who were anxious to witness those interesting evolutions, trading ompany and had become territorial lords. On
might be certain that every day when it did not rain,.. the other hand, they had been connected with the govern- 1
those who visited the scene were perfectly certain of ment of India for many years, and, that being so, he
seeing things worthy of the trouble of going there. considered the course proposed to be pursued by the
TB:E NAVY. Government the most safe and practicable. He himself,
Sir J. GRAHAM gave notice that, on Tuesday next, in thinking or speaking on this subject, was actuated by
he should move for leave to bring in two bills, one to a spirit of independence, and looked neither to the Go-
make better provision fir the entry and services of sea- vernment nor to any party, but, considering the matter
men in the navy, and flee other for the purpose of esta- impartially, he spoke as he felt it to be his duty, as the
blishing a volunteer coast guard, to be transferred to the representative of a large commercial constituency.
navy in cases of need. Mr. DIGBY SEYMOUR always felt considerable
PERFORATED STAMPS. diffidence in intruding himself upon the attention of the
house upon any question, but he felt it the more in ad-
Mr. WILSON stated, in reply to a question, that the
perforated stamps would be ready for delivery to the
dressing them on the present occasion on a question not
public in a few days.
only affecting the interests of his constituents, but of
STAMP DUTIES.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said per-
several millions of his fellow creatures. He had had the
haps it would be for the convenience of the house that honour of presenting a petition from Sunderland, pray-
he should state that if, .33 the Government anticipated, ing that the house would pause before legislating for
the debate on the second reading of the India Bill ter- India, and that it would not pass any measure altering
minated in the course of to-night, he should take the the existing system of government before takin evidence
resolutions relating to the Stamp Duties the first thing g
to morrow evening, and after them to resume the com-
upon the subject from the best sources, including the
mittee on the Succession Duties Bill. natives of India themselves. If, indeed, shipping
LIVERPOOL WRIT. were the child of commerce, and commerce depended
Mr. JAMES MACGREGOR said he observed that upon prosperity, and prosperity was an attendant
the Liverpool writ stood at No. 14 on the orders for to- upon good government, then there was nothing sur-
night, and therefore there must be little chance of its prising that his constituents, themselves intimately
being disposed of at the present sitting. Now, connected with the shipping interests, should take
looking to the importance of Liverpool, and the a deep interest in the issue of this debate. (Hear.)
number of large commercial measures that were
before the house, it could not be the wish of the He had himself, after well considering the matter,
Government that Liverpool should be unrepresented ; arrived at the conclusion that the amendment proposed
and he should be glad to know if the Government would by the noble lord ought to receive the support of the
have any objection to place the order first on the list for house, and that some time should be given to enable the
to-morrow evening ? house to come to a conclusion on this important subject
Lord J. RUSSELL was afraid the question would from the elements which might come to their hands.
give rise to a good deal of discussion, and he could not The right hon. gentleman the First Lord of the Admi-
consent to the proposal of the hon. member. ralty had stated that the tree ought to be judged by its
GOVERNMENT OF INDIA BILL—ADJOURNED fruits, and he believed that the fruits of the tree upon
DEBATE. examination would not be found agreeable. Looking to
On the order of the day for resuming the adjourned the question of peace and war, he would ask the house
debate on the Government of India Bill, to consider what had been gained by the wars which had
Mr. RICH rose and urged upon.the house the neces- been undertaken in India, and of which four were ag-
sity of delays The house had been sitting so long that it gressive wars, made upon the independence of neigh-
was now in a jaded state, and looking at the advanced bouring powers, and for the sake of aggrandisement ?
period of till session it was hardly to be expected that What advantage had been gained by the war against the
the house would give this question that attention which Affghans, against the Beloochees in Scinde, the Mah-
its importai-ke demanded. Besides it would seem the rattas in Gwalior, the Sikhs in the Punjaub, and now, for
Government had been undecided about bringing this bill the second time, against the Burmese. The Affghan
in this session, while a larger meaning had been put upon war was simply an attack upon the independence, and
the advice Which Lord Dalousie was said to have given on an attempt to overthrow the dynasty, of a friendly neigh-
the subject than the noble lord himself intended. No harm hour, and which resulted in the sacrifice of a gallant
could follow delaying this question until a future session. army. What, again, was the real nature of the war in
He thought, under these circumstances, it was mani- Scinde ? The excuse made was, that it was for the pur-
festly the duty of the house to pass a short continuation pose of obtaining the command over the navigation of
bill of tie existing charter, in order that it might wait the Indus, and thus to promote commerce with the cen-
for the report of the India Committee before it proceeded tral part of Asia, but the result was that the Ameers of
to legislate permanently on the subject. No party Scinde were cajoled, conditions imposed upon them
triumph could result from the postponement of this mea- which it was impossible to comply with, and, finally,
sure, nor could it give rise to the inconvenience of un- they were deposed and their territories annexed. In the
necessary agitation in India or at home and he hoped Punjaub, taking advantage of civil dissensions, an army
in the end the Government would be induced to was marched to the Sutlej, and, after four pitched battles
give way. The complaints alleged against the on that, it succeeded in gaining possession of the coun-
present Government of India were these first, try ; but, from misgovernment, it became once more
it was said the natives were unjustly excluded from the necessary to march an army of 35,000 men to the banks
high offices of State, and that the law was badly admi- of the same river. But had the means of support-
nistered. Then it was said the anomalous form of the ing the Government been increased by that expe-
double government was objectionable, because it gave dition ? On the conarary, it added glory to the
rise to a divided responsibility. All these complaints, British arms, but did little service to the commer-
he believed, were well founded, and something ought cial interests of the country. The assumed revenues
to be done to remove the cause of them, which this bill of the Punjab were about 1,300,0001., and the civil
certainly did not do. It contained some points of use- charges amounted to 1,120,000/., thus leaving a surplus
ful reform, but unfortunately it left the constitution of of 180,000/. ; that charge did not, however, include
the Court of Directors and the distribution of the patron- military charges, which might probably amount to a
age untouched, while its duration was not limited to any burden of 800,0001. per annum. In Sattara the case
fixed period, which was a strong reason in favour of de- had been almost similar, and in 1852, in a communica-
lay. At all events, however, if they were to have this tion from the Court of Directors to Lord Dalhousie, it
bill, its operation should be limited to five years ; was stated we were not prepared to find that the anneza-
but
on the whole he thought it would be much better tion of Sattara would entail a charge on the general re- 1
to defer legislation altogether for the present, and he for sources of India. The hon. member for Montrose had I
one should vote for the amendment, attempted to vindicate the Court of Directors from the '
Mr. CUMMING BRUCE condemned the exagge- Affghan war, and letters had been published, written ;
rated and embittered attacks which had been made on by some of the directors, deprecating the war, but Sir '
the system to which we owed our Indian empire. Ad- John Hobhouse, then President of the Board of Con-
vocating
a double government, he stated that he had trol, avowed that he was the author of the system under
been disappointed by the plan of the Government, which that war was commenced. The system had been
which weakened what it should have strengthened, and weighed in the balance, and ought to be condemned by
increased power which was already almost despotic. the house. He would now call the attention of the
The proposed system of nominees would subvert the house to a few statistics, which he would read. The
independence of the Court of Directors, and he would public debt of India, bearing interest, as it stood before
rather that the Crown should give to distinguished we commenced our career of conquest and annexation,
Indian servants seats in the Council of the Board of was, in 1792, 7,129,934/. After commencing that
Control. He objected that the bill would do away with career, it stood as follows :—ln 1814, 26,970,7861. To
all permanence, and leave a kingdom to be scrambled which last-mentioned sum must be added 5,000,000/.
for. He did not concur in Lord Stanley's amendment, supplied from the commercial treasury of the company
the addition to which bound us to legislate in two years in aid of the Indian finances during the currency of the
—a course which might be inconvenient. Legislation charter, which ended in 1834. The average annual de-
should not, he thought, take place until the opinions, ficiency in the last five years of the charter— years of
not of the Governor-General, but of the governors of peace—which terminated in 1814 was 134,662/. ; in the
the presidencies had been obtained. To the proposed next five years, principally war, which ended in 1818-19,
system of competition he was opposed, and he instanced 736,853/. ; in the five years of peace which ended in
cases in which illustrious men had not distinguished 1823-4, 27,531/. ; in the five years ending in 1828-29,
themselves during the period of education. Taking three of war, 2,878,031/. ; in the ten years ending
various exceptions to the present system of Indian Go- 1849-50, 1,474,195/. The estimated deficiency for
vernment, he made several suggestions of his own for 1851-52 was 780,000/. This, then, was the financial
improving it. He urged the necessity of encouraging condition of India under the present system, which, he
the spread of the great civilizer, Christianity, and ex- maintained, had brought the exchequer of India almost
plained in conclusion that it was not competent to him to a state of insolvency. The opium trade had been the
to propose any amendment of his own. means of keeping up the revenue of the country, pre-
Mr. MARJORIBANKS would venture to reply carious as that trade was. With regard to the revenue
briefly to the charges brought against the Court of Pro- derived from salt, there had been a reduction of the re-
prietors, though he was well aware these were neither ceipts from the Government monopoly in Bengal
the entertaining nor the instructive points of the debate. of 23 lees ; Madras, 2 lacs ; Bombay, 2 lacs. The
He should, however, feel that he was not doing justice Customs' duties had also, on the whole, fallen
to the Court of Proprietors, from whom he had received off, comparing the four years ending 1849-50
much favour, if he did not rise and say a few words with 1845-6. In Bombay there had been an in-
in their vindication. The hon. member for Inverness- crease of 12,34,153 rupees ; in Agra, of 10,90,532; in
shire wished the house to believe that the practice Madras the falling off had been 18,36,695 rupees, and in
was to give votes in exchange for patronage. He de. Bombay it had been 6,95,586 rupees ; thus making a
nied this. The hon. member also said there were total falling off of 2,05,596 rupees. These were some
batches of sixty votes lying at certain bankers. Had more of the fruits by which the tree was to be judged.
this been the case, his canvass would have been much Those figures, which he believed to be perfectly correct,
easier, for though the bankers gave him their best wishes showed that the Indian exchequer was in a deplorable
they only gave him two votes. He doubted whether all state. It did not remain for him, at this advanced pe-
the bankers in London if they combined their votes riod of the discussion, to show how shamefully public
could muster 300 votes. He would defy any one to works in India had been neglected. The first duty of the
point out that a single vote had been purchased by direct Government should have been to subdue the great water
or indirect means. He thought it was a most unfounded power of the country, and to direct it, by means of irri-
charge against 1,600 respectable proprietors, to say that gation, reservoirs, and other artificial means, to purposes
they could be influenced in their votes by corrupt mo- beneficial to the population and advantageous to the per-
tives. Having now completely vindicated the Court of manent resources of the empire ; but no works of that
Proprietors he would proceed to notice some of the kind had been executed. (Hear, from Sir J. Hogg.)
charges against the company—with reference to the re- The hon. baronet cheered him, but he was informed that
port that had been moved for by the hon. member for Colonel Outram and Major Franks, who were now in
Montrose, lie begged to state that the report in question London, joined issue with the hon. baronet on that point,
had been furnished months ago ---the report, however, of as well as Mr. Chapman. The prosperity of Madras
Mr. M`Kay had not yet been furnished. He could not mainly depended on irrigation ; yet it would hardly be
help regarding the measure as a measure of delay—and believed that it was only in 1848 that the Indian Govern-
he agreed with those who said that delay was not de- ment first began to direct attention to the public works
sirable. Each day proved the absurdity of the charges of that presidency. Mark the consequences of this ne-
brought against the company. glect. In 1803 the revenue of Madras was 206,000/. ;
Mr. NAPIER supported the amendment, as, if he in 1844 it was only 107/. In 1828 the population was
advocated the bill, he would imply that it was sufficient 700,000 ; while in 1848 it was reduced to 400,000. Mr.
for its purpose, whereas, by voting for the amendment, Marshall's book showed it to be a statistical law that the
he did not repudiate the bill, but only urged that a most consumption of manufactures in a country is in proper-
important subject should be duly considered. He de- tion to its means of internal communication. The con-
scribed the bill as a meagre, paltry palliative for the sumption of our manufactures in the British West Indies
evils of India, and he especially condemned the proposed was 14s. per head of the population ; in Chili it was 9s.
plan of revising the Indian code of laws by means of 3d. ; in Cuba, 6s. 2d. ; in Peru, ss. 7d. ; in Central
commissions—a work which Parliament ought to under- America, 10s. ; and in India only 9d. (leer, hear.)
take. After dilating upon the duty of England to spread Our importation of Indian cotton had been nearly sta-
Christianity in India, he said that if this bill were all tionary for the last 11 years, while that from America
that could be done for that country, he would consent had increased from 1,018,361 bales to 1,784,388 bales.
to it only from stern necessity, and after the fullest in- How was this to be accounted for ? Why, while Anse-
quiry should be completed. He warned the house, as it rica had 11,000 miles of railway open, India had only
valued its character, and the happiness of the millions of 100 miles in formation. After all that had been said about
India, not to pass this bill in its present condition. the matter of law and justice in India, it was unnecessary
Mr. JOHN M‘GREGOR approached this question for him to trouble the house on that point. The hon.
as an independent member representing a constituency member then proceeded to denounce the zemindar and
whichilc took as great an interest in the affairs of India as ryotwar systems as the fruitful souces of cruelty and
previous] e li
7..):
oonstituency in the kingdom. The error committed oppression to the native population, and next directed
and blood'
114si!,.egfentlernen in this debate was in proposing to attention to the case of the Carnatic stipendiaries. By
ti:onart for the people of India as if they were legisla- a treaty signed in 1801 the company obtained possession
nited States. There never was a country that of the Carnatic territories, on condition of paying a sum
the populationrit7k
to 1757 had been subjected to such perpetual of money to the members to their Sovereign's family.
tnentse:
had done ha wars as India. The British Government The company was now revelling in the revenues of the
Government had tYe
could notetrd and cruel things in India, but he, for one, Carnatic, but they refused to pay the stipendiaries the
the good they had done, considering money due to them, and these unfortunate persons were
had to deal with. The spirit of our reduced to a state f ruin. He would say, with respect
of the Govern mercy itself, compared with that to the home Government, that the only two powers
dition of the people 011.1 had preceded them. The con- which the East India Company, according to Mr. Mill,
wretched and miserable ?,dia had, indeed, been more could exercise, were the power of suggesting measures,
in India than that of anyefore British rule commenced and the power of commenting on measures after they
disecouple of whom history made had been resolved upon ; and this was quite in harmony
mention. Among the
the fact, that we had hal I
to ties of the question was with the admission made by Mr. Jones, that, " after all
nations speaking different sa, do with from 37 to 40 the labour and thought that might have been bestowed
to introduce LTindoo and marounris, and that we had on Indian affairs at home, India must, nevertheless, be
tehrierdd ofas there y e
nee 7
of
pr.!. law into our ad- governed in India." He could use no better argument
the soil had against this double agency at home, the only effect of
ministration.al ways
been
Sovereign ; one-third as belonging to tiellonging to the which could be to keep up a mask and a sham, and to
proprietor ; and one-thi rd as belon • e zetnindar, or shift from the proper shoulders the load of responsibility
eseg to the '
considered
of the soil. He believed that the System
rot or which they ought to bear. (Hear, hear.) Then, as to
of the Secret Committee, Lord Hardinge had spoken of it
taxation in India required great improvement, especial]
"a .
the tax upon salt. (Hear, • hear )He did not Yas mystery not understood by the public, why the
ot consider Board of Control should give an order to the Secret
this the best bill that could have been brought in, Committee." And he adduced as an instance of this, an
but, on the other hand, to make great and sweep_ p officer of high position and ability in India having writ-
ing changes, with a population of
e 14150,000,000 pro- ten a letter couched in somewhat indignant terms to the
fessing different religions, and speakin,different fan_ President of the Board of Control, complaining of the
guages, having their traditional hatreds and prejudices,., conduct of the Secret Committee, and it was not until
and in a country where the Hindoo population were named by Lord Hardinge, that the President was in fact
divided into castes, was attended with great danger and the Secret Committee, that the writer of the letter was
difficulty. (Hear, hear.) The error to be guarded,, made aware of the fact. (Hear, hear.) This was only
against was in legislating according to English ideas, another
illustration of the mask and the sham which
and in opposition to the traditions, usages, and religious was kept up to hide from public view the real source of
prejudices of the natives. Ever since 1832 Parliament responsibility. But if the power of commenting on mea-
had possessed so much knowledge of India that 110 hon. sures was
a nullity, and if the present bill stripped the
member had the right to say that he had not had an East India Company of the whole of the patronage, then,
opportunity of acquainting himself with the affairs of he asked, what was left to the Company but interference
India. His objection to delay was, that in India legis- without influence and rights without responsibilities ?
lation was expected this year, and the Governor-General (Hear, hear.) In conclusion, he would say that, if we
considered that immediate legislation was necessary. He were true to ourselves and the trust that had been re-
regarded the provision in the bill leaving Indian legisla- posed in us, and if India were true to herself, self-confi-
tion open to revision as a wise and general policy on the dent, and self-sustained, she would not lag behind in the
part of the Government. He doubted very much whe- path of progress that lay before her, but would be seen
the system of competition for appointments would sue- I coming up from the wilderness leaning on the arm of