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enormous expense of disputed removals;Lad tketulti .r$
would not, of course, compel landlords to build eottages
for labourers, it would relieve them from the reason whielt
prevented them frouxbuildieg. He strongly advocated
the measure.
Colonel DUNNE complained that Lord John Lusa-ell
had not kept faith with the Irish members, who bud ob-
tained from Lord Palmerston a recognition of the clams
of Ireland on the subject. It was never known what the
Cabinet would do on any question, and one member of it
contradicted another. But if Ireland were to be included
in this bill, by instruction of the committee or otherwisiv,
it would be considered in the way becoming independent:,
members—but if not, it would be opposed.
Mr. AGLIONBY thought the question as to the intro-
duction of Ireland ought to be at once settled, and that
the vote of every English as well as Irish member depended
on it. In reply to Mr. Stafford's remark, he said that
there was nothing in this bill to prevent the poor from
returning to their native place ; the only object was, to
prevent their forcible removal. He objected to the second
clause, not as tending to a national rate, but because it
tended to perpetuate the present. system. The subject
would never be settled until fairly grappled with, and levy
made on property wherever it was found, and of whatever
it consisted. The present systein was unconstitutional,
and opposed to the very act of Elizabeth which enacted
that the poor should be supported out of the wealth of the
country.
Mr. KNIGHT vindicated the working of the did
system, and expressed a hope that tho bill would not
pass. He was convinced that it was not for the good'
of the poor, and that the right of settlement wre the title-
deed of the poor to relief. I,le did not regard this bill as
Mr. Baines's, but as Mr. Chadwick's, and as the przscluce of
an old aggressive board, and of the starving party, who,
some years ago, taught that all charity was wrong, And
that harshness and severity—the characteristics of tkis bill
—were the proper treatment for the labouring classes. Ale
cited evidence in support of this character of the parties iNeo
referred to, andproceeded at very great length to eulogize'
the results of the law of settlement, which had made our
labourers the best clothed and best fed population in
Europe. In assailing the bill, he pointed out among its
dangers that the promoters of a strike, like that of Preston,
might, under the new measure, first flood all the work-
houses in England with their surplus population, and, this
being placed at free quarters, the fight might begin. The
law of settlement had defended the labourer against the
proprietor, and clearances had taken place in Scotland
and in Ireland for the want of such a law, and God
forbid the proprietor should regain the tremendous power
he possessed and abused before the law existed. He
next assailed district chargeability, which, he contended,
experiments had already proved was a failure. After about
an hour and a half of the hon. gentleman's arguments, the
inattention of the house became impatience, and he ended
shortly after a warning to the house not to imitate the
bureaucracy of revolutionary France.
Sir G. GREY gave his cordial assent to the second read-
ing of the bill, believing it to be framed on a right princi-
ple, and supported by accumulated evidence, while Mr.
Knight's speech had shown that it was no hasty production.
The opinion of the labouring class was known to be in fa-
vour of the abolition of compulsory removal, and the bill
was eminently calculated to promote the interests of the
poor. As regarded the rating portion, it was certain that,
at present, rating fell very unjustly, and the proposed al-
teration did not tend towards a national rate, or to unfair
local self-government. He regretted to have to allude
to the other question which had been raised, but must
say that if Colonel Dunne had accurately described
the engagements into which the Government was
said to have entered, he must reluctantly with-
hold his support from the bill; having seen too much
of the evils from floods of Scotch and Irish pauperism to
assent to the alleged proposition. Nor ought distinct
matters to be mixed together. The engrafting the pro-
posed addition on the bill would raise an opposition through-
out the country.
Mr. PACKE moved the adjournment of the debate, on
the ground that the house had not sufficient information
as to the bill. He dwelt upon the injustice of the course
that had been taken, which he described as unfair and un-
principled.
Mr. MOORE thought that the intention of the Governs.-
ment ought, after the speeches is hich had just been made,
to be distinctly stated.
Mr. MANGLES moved the adjournment of the debate,
and the question was put.
Mr. WALPOLE called upon her Majesty's Ministers to
explain how this most important subject was to be treated.
He had intended to support the second reading, until he
found what course was proposed to be adopted.
Sir J. GRAHAM had been prevented by Lord Palmer-
ston's illness from seeing his lordship, but was of opinion
that the debate should be adjourned and placed first on
the orders for Monday, when he hoped that his noble col-
league would be able to explain what had taken place. As
far as he understood the principle of the bill, it was to
substitute destitution for settlement as a right to relief ;
and it was certain that if that change were adopted, a re-
consideration of the cases of Scotland and Ireland must
come. Bat if the concession were made in those cases, it
must be accompanied by detailed regulations requiring ma-
tured consideration. These were not yet prepared.
Mr. DISRAELI said that the bill had been introduced
on the 10th of February, and the interval had been intended
for the country to consider the measure. Much conside-
ration had been given to the subject, but now all the data
were changed, and he suggested a later adjournment than
was proposed.

Lord C. HAMILTON entered at some length into a de-
tail of what had passed with Lord Palmerston, denying
that any sort of compact had been entered into, and ex-
plaining that all that had been dono was to bring before
Government the claims of Ireland to justice. He read a
paper, in which the views of the Irish members had been
embodied.

Sir J. PAKINGTON complained of the course taken
by the Government as most unfair towards all parties.
He had come down intending to support the whole bill,
believing that the whole plan was before the house. Fur-
ther proceedings ought to bo adjourned until the inten-
tions of Government were known.

Mr. S. WORTLEY thought that the debate should be
adjourned to the earliest possible period, because it was of
the highest importance to laiow as soon as possible what
were the intentions of the government. At the same time
he thought it would be most convenient to have all the
measures of the Government before the house at the same
time. (Hear, hear.)
Sir G. GREY thought that the proposition to adjourn
until Monday was only fair, when it was expected that the
noble lord at the head of the Home Department would be
in his place.

The SPEAKER then put the question that the debate
be adjourned until Monday next.
Mr. PACKE said that he Would move an amendment
that the debate should be adjourned until the 24th of

Colonel DUNNE gave notice that if the bill should go
into committee, he would move an instruction to the com-
mittee to insert the words " Ireland and Scotland" in the
bill.

Sir J. GRAHAM said that the house would not be in a
worse position respecting Irish and Scotch paupers by
reading the bill a second time. (Cries of " No, no.") Hon.
members could have the fullest opportunity of moving any
amendments they pleased in committee. The noble lord
the member for London had come down to the house that
evening at considerable inconvenience, and from indisposi-
tion was obliged to leave early. He, however, believed
that the noble lord would be in his place on Monday even-
ing ; and he also hoped that the noble viscount the Secre-
tary for the Home Department would be also present on
Monday, when he would, no doubt, be prepared to make a
statement in reference to the measure before the house. It
would be impossible for the Government to frame a mea-
sure until they knew the pleasure of the house with respect
to the removal of Irish and Scotch paupers.
Mr. PACKE —Will the right hon. baronet undertake to
say that no debate will take place on Monday on the bill ?
Sir J. GRAHAM—Oh, no !
After a few words from Lord H. VANE,
The house divided, when the numbers wero—
For the amendment
1213
Against it
The announcement was received with loud cheering.
INCOME TAX.

The house then went into committee on the income tax,
Mr. BOUVERIE in the chair.

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The several clauses were agreed to, and the house re-
sumed.

On the motion for the secona reading of the Bribery,
kc., Bill,

Colonel SIBTHORP felt it his duty to move the adjourn-
ment of the house, if the bill was persevered with.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said if there was any
objection to proceed with it, he would postpone it till
Monday.

The second reading was accordingly postponed till Mon-
day.

On the motion of Mr. GRENFELL for the adjourned
debate on the Military Knights of Windsor,
4,Mr. R. PHILLIMORE said he understood the Govern-
ment intended to accede to the motion, but he felt it
necessary to state, after an examination of all the docu-
ments, he was satisfied that the Dean and Chapter of
Windsor had discharged their duty in the most upright
manner.

The address was thou agreed to, and the house ad•
journed at a quarter to one o'clock.

TAILORS' AGENCY LITERARY INSTITUTE, NEWING.
TON CAUSEWAY.—The Rev. W. Cadman, rector of St.
George's, Southwark, delivered a very able and appropriate
lecture to the members of this institution on Thursday
evening, on the Responsibilities of Working Men, the,
Right Hon. the Earl of Shaftesbury presiding. The pope.
larity of the noble lord, from the enlightened efforts he
has made to ameliorate the condition of the humbler
classes, drew together a numerous audience ; and the lec-
ture, which was an eminently practical one, was well fitted
to instruct and benefit those to whom it was addrse
Lord Shaftesbury, in acknowledging a vote of thanks.
took occasion to notice, with approval, the objects of this
promising and interesting institution, where
education
f uoenaet establishmentiun uf their children, are
he
ir togetheruur u
intellectual
t promoteh e Workmen
theim-
provement.
d
The lectures, library, reading-room,
. lordship, who
urged were earnestly commended by his lordship, and
urged upon the members by sobriety, diligence,
faithful attention to the comforts of their househOld_e. to
unit which
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proceedings (i- I Pei Per ts
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show how much they valued thoseu
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lated to excite the liveliest interests in all
noble lord's address
who
dame the
of the labouring the
catastrophe occurred this
FATAL AFFRAY. —SHIELD
market-place. An unfortunate on
23.—A serious
aPfctertrinoseoLf t3htle, cornmuln6Y-
S, MARCH 23.--A
South Shields
Dixon, having named Chr.
to the union rules, which require N.
in-
terrogated by a union man, and abused for not adhering
shipped for 61.. London voyage, was
10s. An alterca-
tiou took place. Dixon (the black leg, as he was
termed)
was struck on the back of the neck by the union
man, and the poor fellow fell, and died in a few minutes.
A feeling of horror has been excited here by the deed.
The crowd gave indications of taking summary vengeance
on the unionist, who fled into a neighbouring public-
house, until he was taken in charge by the police. The
deceased was comparatively an old man to his assailant.
The deceased is reported to belong to North Shields.
Large meetings of seamen continue to be held here on
the subject of their disputes about wages.—Shipping
Garette.
RELEASE OFm A
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from —A letter the Tln4Fith ENGLISH
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informs Ert MgE
us
drat
Mr. Bell, who was taken prisoner by the Russians iu
the Black Sea while serving in an Egyptian steamer,
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had arrived in that town, accompanied by a Russian
officer. Although it is long since the Czar professed to
give Mr. Bell his freedom he has only just been re-
leased, and his friends have hitherto remained uncertain
even as to the fact of his existence. Offers were made
to Bell, while a prisoner, to enter the Russian service,
but he refused them, He is now on his way to Trieste,
yid Vienna.