The Sun.
London, England, 1838-07-19 00:00:00

WESTERN AUSTRALIA BILL.

Sir GEORGE GREY moved the second reading of the
Western Australia Bill.
Mr. HINDLEY would suggest to the Hon. Baronet whe-
ther it was fit in the present state of Australia to continue till
1841, as this Bill proposed to do, the powers which certain in-
dividuals, the Commissioners, already had. He also thought
the Aborigines ought to be protected, and that a clause should
be introduced by which a certain portion of land should be
appropriated to native inhabitants. He threw out these sug-
gestions to the Hon. Baronet, and he hoped his Bill would be
so framed in Committee as to meet the cases to which he had
adverted.
Sir GEORGE GREY replied to the Hon. Member; but
his observations were nearly inaudible, as they usually are,
from the position taken by the Hon. Baronet when he ad-
dresses the House. We understood him to say that he hoped
the measure taken for protecting the Aborigines would prove
satisfactory to the Hon. Member.
Mr. El UNIE said when this establishment was co nmeneed
the House had a pledge that no establishment should be charged
on the Conselid :ted Fund ; instead of which there would be
a vote proposed in the course of a few days for 12,000/.,
whilst there were only 2,000 inhabitants. This was one
means of robbing the people of England to keep up an
establishment. There was no necessity for a Governor and
all toe other paraphernalia which were found here. It appeared
to him that the Colonial Department got money a great deal
too easy. Here was a grant of money as large as could b.
required for a colony of 60,000 or 70,000 persons. He had
no doubt the Hon. Gentleman at the head of this department
found the office as it now was, but if he dealt with attention
to the people of England he would make those parties contri-
bute to their own expense, instead of which the colony con-
sisted of persons supported principally at the public expense.
After a few remarks from Sir GEORGE GREY, the Bill
was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow.
RECOVERY Ol• TENEMENTS. .
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Mr. AGLIONBY moved that the Report on the Recovery
of Tenements Bill should be further considered.
Sir E. SUG DEN wished to know whether it was the in-
tention of the lion, and Learned Member to press the Bill
further during the present Session. The reason he asked that
question was in consequence of the absence of several country
gentlemen who were anxious to take part in the discussion
on the Bill.
Mr. AGLIONBY seid that it certainly was his intention
to press the Bill forward with all the energy he was possessed
of, as it hal already been postponed for three dill rent Ses-
sions, in consequence of one of the most uncalled fo: opposi-
tions that was ever heard of.
S:r E. SUG DEN said that such being the case, be felt
bound to move that the Bill should be recommitted that day
three mend's. He MIS sure if the House wished to keep welt
%Hi the country, it would not pass the Bill, as it gave all tint
advantage to the rich and none to the poor, That might do very
,well in 'l'urkey, but it would not do in a eivilize.l country.
According to the wording of the Bill before the House the
very nicest points of law would be submitted to the considera-
tion of two Justices—men who of ncc.'esity were almost un-
acquainted with the laws of property. The very first use which
%you'd be made of the Bill no doubt would be the oppression
of the par, who were now in the enjoyment of wastes on
manors.. No doubt a aie tt number of poor persons would be tin
inediately turned out of such enjoyment, es, with the assistance
of two Justices, that might be done at an expense affront 3s. to 4s.
Th... object of this Bill was to give the power of turning out
• at the will of the landlord ev,,ry humble tenant, and without
any expense to the landlord. He certainly did not expect
such
a measure as this would come from what was called the
1 Liberal side of the House. The rights of the poor would be
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trampled on by this Bill. He believed the Bill pro-
ceeded altogether on a wrong principle, and he should
give it his most decided opposition.—( Hear, hear, hear. )
lie thought the Hon. Gentleman ought to give more time for
this 841 to be circulated amongst the people, in order that
their opinions might be asce:tainel He could not see what
nece'sity there was for the desperate haste to inflict so serious
an injury on the lower orders of the people .for the benefit of
rich.thecapt ain WOOD seconded the amendment.
Sir E. WILMOT thought the evils anticipated by the
Right Honourable Gentleman ( Sir E. Sugden) had b'en
grossly exaggerated.—( Hear, hear.) He ( Sir E. \V.) would
be the last man to give the Magistrates a power which they
ought not to have. He agreed with the Right Honourable
Getleman that Magistrates ought not to be called on to
decide on intricate points of law, where tenants in tail and
eflints in fee and settlements were. involved. But they were
tto be called on to decide on merely trivial matters. The
country, so far as he was aware, was almost unanimous in
thinking this a fair Bill.
Mr. AGLIONBY congratulated himself on the lengthened
speech of the Learned Mmber for Ripon, for had lie spoken
at an earlie,r period, he ( Mr. Aglionby) might not have
been able to control his remarks on the misrepresen-
tations which the Honourable Member had made on this
Bill, as well as on the tone, mariner, and expressions used
towards himself as a public individual. He was willing
to throw himself upon the country and be tried by it, whether
lie was not as little likely to introduce any law savouring
,of Turkey as the Hon. and Learned Member himself.
__(.6 Hesr" and laughter.) He admitted the statement
of , the Right Honourable Baronet, that the present
was not the same Bill that hal been three times post-
poned ; but why was it not so ? Because the Select Com-
rn:ttee to which the Bill had been referred had alteTed it.
Tile Mil ill the preeeq; 0wt3,9 wall net so favourable
I, the poor as when it was originally introduced, because
under it the Magistrates were made judicial instead
of ministerial. Ile felt bound to deny the staqtments
of tl-4, kionoqrable enfl lief-nod Member that he had
' acted unjustly towards the poor man-his object was to
protect him against the oppression of the rich.--( Hear 1
As the law at preseqt stood the temt !IWO, lirvia in karaq
gotig 4. nqtiCP Lit. 43 days, but in ail he must have 31 before he
went out. He had applied to the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman ( Sir. R. Peel) for his assistance upon the Coin-
. mittee, which had been refused ; he therefore thoiiol.t is
was most tplust and improper for tie honourable dentleman