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regard the question as of so great importance as score hon.
members.

Mr. ROUNDELL PALMER said that there seemed to
,be an impression that the Government had recommended
that convocation should consist of all the members of the
university; he did not clearly understand whether that was
so or not.

Lord J. RUSSELL hail not recommended that convoca-
tion should consist of all the members of the university;
he had only said that when convocation itself came under
consideration, it might be a matter for grave deliberation.
Mr. ROUNDELL PALMER objected strongly to the
statements which had been made as to faction and party
spirit. That was not a place to complain of such things.
Party spirit was one of the infirmities of human nature,
and would always show itself where people thought strongly
and seriously upon any subject. It was a fact to be re-
gretted,•perhaps, but it was no less a fact that could not be
turned aside and got rid of. Neither could he view with.
approbation the observations which had been levelled at
the tutorial body. He could conceive no higher occupation
than that of educating the people of England, and those
who were engaged in that great work were entitled to and
had his greatest respect. To the detractors of those gentle-
men he replied by reminding the house what they had done,
and by pointing in support of that reminder to the judicial,
the episcopal, and the Treasury benches. (Hear.)
Mr. HILDYARD objected strongly to the exclusion
of non-resident' members from a right of voting in tha choice
of members for the Hebdomadal Council. He wondered
that some of the liberal members on the opposite benches,
the hon. member for Montrose (Mr. Hume) for instance,
had not taken the matter up. The proposal of the Govern-
ment amounted to reducing the number of electors from
about 3,000 to not more than 150. The simplest method
of dealing with the question was to adopt the amendment,
and allow every member of the convocation the right of
voting.
Mr. R. PHILLIMORE, thought the house would not
agree to anything so unfair as that the six heads of col-
leges should be chosen by the close body, and the six tutors
by the convocation at large. The bill in no way limited
the powers of convocation, but gave it for the first time the
power of acting.
Mr. VANSITTART,'who spoke amid impatient calls for
the division, was understood to support the amendment.
Sir W. HEATIICOTE would vote for the word • con-
gregation" rather than " convocation," having given notice
of an amendment which would come at a later period of
the bill to enlarge the boundary of the congregation
Mr. MILES thought the noble lord should state whether
he would accept his hon. friend's (Sir W. Heathcote)
amendment to the 18th clause for enlarging theboundaries
of the congregation.
Lord J. RUSSELL must decline giving any pledge until
he knew precisely what the amendment was. how it would
apply, and the arguments by which it might be supported.
The comTittee then divided—

For the word " congregation," as in the clause 192
For the amendment 176-16

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER intimated
that he proposed to adopt the amen &meat of his hon. friend
and colleague (Sir W. Heathcote), that the Vice-Chan-
cellor or his deputy should preside over the Hebdomadal
Council. There was one person in the university they had
forgotten, that was the Chancellor, and he would give
notice of an amendment,to the effect that the Chancellor,
when residing in the university, should be a member of
and preside over the council.
The clause as amended was agreed to.
On clause 7,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
proposed to add words at the end of the clause, which
would enable the Vice-Chancellor to continue a member of
the council for one year after leaving his office.
The clause as amended was then agreed to.
On clause 8,
In answer to Mr. HENLEY,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
clause was proposed to prevent the arising of any legal
doubt on the construction of the statutes which prevented
professors holding any other office. It was thought the
word office might apply to a • place .at the Hebdomadal
Council, and this clause was intended to avoid that diffi-
culty.
The clause was agreed to.
On clause 9,

Sir H. WiLLOIJGFIBY proposed the following pro-
viso :—" Provided always that nothing contained in this
act shall be construed to give any executive functions to
the Hebdomadal Council or its committees, except such
as may be required to provide for the preparation and pro-
posal of statutes for congregation."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
there was no probability that any board in Oxford would
encroach on the duties of the executive. The functions of
the Hebdomadal Board were transferred by the bill to the
council, and as the board had never made any encroach-
ment on the executive, there was no reason to think that
the council would do so.
Clause 9 was then struck out.

On clause 10,
Sir W. HEATHCOTE moved an amendment to leave
out certain words, and insert " not reside for 18 weeks
during term time, or attend 18 times at the meetings of the
Hebdomadal Council in each." The object of the amend-
ment was, that distinguished persons who were not per-
manently resident might, with the facilities for travelling
now existing, be able to be members of the Hebdomadal
Council.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
term of 24 weeks had been inserted in the bill, with the,
perfect knowledge that 18 weeks was the term of acade-
mical residence. He thought it would have been well if
Government had prolonged the term of residence. They
thought it reasonable and desirable that the members of
the Hebdomadal Council should be resident.

After some further conversation, the amendment was
withdrawn, and the clause was agreed to.
Mr. PACKE moved that the Chairman report progress.
Mr. DISRAELI asked when the bill would be brought
on again.

Lcird J. RUSSELL said it would not be brought on
either to-morrow or Mandan and he could not now state
when it would be brought on.
' The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and asked
leave to sit again.
BOUNDARY SURVEY (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill'passed through committee.
ROYAL MILITARY ASYLUM.

Mr. QLIVEIRA moved that an humble address be pre-
sented to her Majesty, praying that she wil: be graciously
pleased to grant au inquiry into the capability ofincreasing
the accommodation at the Royal Military Asylum at Chel-
sea, for the reception of the children of non-commissioned
officers and soldiers on foreign service, as far as may be
practicable, to the extent which that establishment afforded
under various warrants of her Majesty's royal predecessors.
Mr. S. HERBERT said there was no doubt that the
Asylum at Chelsea had afforded, and does afford at this
moment, considerable advantages to the army. It contained
now 350 children, but at one time when a similar estab-
lishment existed at Southampton, the number reached as
high as 1,222, including boys and girls. It was found,
however, that so far as their after life was concerned, the
system of educating female children both at ChAsea and
Greenwich entirely failed, and the Government therefore
put it down ; bat as regarded boys the case was different.
The asylum at Chelsea was divided into two parts, one
portion being devoted to the boys and the other to the
purposes of a normal school for training matters for the
army. Now if the request of the honourable member
were acceded to without limitation, some other place
would have to be provided for the schoolmasters, but
the change could only be made at an obvious disad-
vantage to the service, because you could not keep up
an efficient normal training school, unless you had attached
to it a large school fo,r the education of children where the
master could obtain practical experience in the duties of
his calling. He had found, however, upon inquiry, that
by making a certain amount of alteration in the building,
accommodation for about. a hundred and twenty children,
more could be provided, but it was obvious that, as tee
war progressed, the call upon the asylum for the reception
of children would be much greater than it is now, and
even here some limitation would have to be put on the
number. At present the inmates of the asylum consisted
of three classes of children, viz., orphans who had lost
both parents, children who had only one parent living,
and, lastly, children whose parents were alive but serving
abroad. The present number of inmates, as he had al-
ready stated, was no, but if it was possible Government
intended to ask forpermission to increase it at discretion by
150, which would involve an additional expenditure of
3,0001. for the first year, but something less in subsequent
years. He had directed inquiries to be made as to how far
the increase coat be carried out, and he hoped, under
these circumstances, the hon. gentleman would not think
it necessary to press the address.
After a few words from Co!enel DUNNE and Colonel
NORTH, the motion was withdrawn.
COURT OF ADMIRALTY.
Sir G. B. PECHELL moved for a return from the Re-
gistrar of the High Court of Admiralty, together with
copies of the return transmitted to the Lords Commis-
sioners of the Admiralty, from the several Vice Admiralty
Courts, of all cases which had been adjudged in the said
courts respectively, under the Act 13 and 14 Vic., since
the Ist of June, 1850, with the dates of the seizure, ac-
cording to the schedule annexed to the said act.
Agreed to.

INDUSTRIAL AND PROVIDENT SOCIETIES.
Viscount GODERICR moved for a bill to amend the
Act 1. and 16 Vic., c. 31, to legalise the formation of in.
dustrial and provident societies. The object of the bill was
to enable friendly societies to appoint public officers to sue
and be sued instead of the trustees.
Agreed to. -

POOR REMOVAL BILL.
Mr. BAINES moved to nominate the select committee,
viz.: Mr. Baines, Sir George Grey, Sir John. Trollope, Sir
Benjamin Hall, Mr. Liddell, Mr. Dunlop, Mr. Alexander
Hastie, Colonel Blair, Colonel Mure, Mr. Cumming Bruce,
Sir John Young, Mr. George Alexander Hamilton, Sir
Robe' t Ferguson, Mr. John Ball, and Mr. Maguire.
Colonel DUNNE moved the adjournment of the debate,
on the ground that owing to some misunderstanding the
Irish members left the house under the-impression that
Lord Naas and Mr. H. Herbert were to be added to ,the
committee.
Mr. BAINES said he should have been happy to have
acceded to the gallant colonel's proposal to insert the names
of Lord Naas and Mr. Herbert; but owing to the compo-
sition of the committee, he could not assent to their being
added to it, unless he also proposed two more Scotch and
Irish members.

Sir J. TROLLOPE supported the original motion.
After a few words in explanation,
Colonel DUNNE withdrew his amendment, and the
committee was appointed.
PUBLIC STATUES.
_ _ _

Sir W. MOLES WORTH moved for leave to introduce
a bill to place public statues within the metropolitan police
district under the control of the Commissioners of her
Majesty's Works and Public Buildings.
Leave was given.
The house adjourned at 1 o'clock.

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relating to the Greek insurrection. Could the noble lord
say when these papers might be expected?
Lord J. RUSSELL said the papers were about ready,
and they would be shortly forthcoming.