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tion of which would create a succession!' hehoped it would
satisfy those who did entertain doubts.
Mr. HEADLAM still entertained a doubt whether the
party would not be charged on the increased value cf the
estate on the falling in of the leases. He would, therefore,
suggest a postponement of the clause.
Sir J. PAKINGTON moved that the Chairman report
progress, which was agreed to.
EXCISE DUTIES ON SPIRITS BILL.
. .

On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Mr. CONOLLY said that the bill seriously affected the
interests of the people of Ireland, and as it could not be
properly discussed at that hour, he hoped the Chancellor
of the Exchequer would not press the third reading.
Mr. GROGAN supported the appeal.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not,
consistently with the state of public business, agree to the
request for postponement.
Mr. CONOLLY opposed the increased duty as being cal-
culated to stimulate illicit distillation in the north-western
districts of Ireland. The hon. member concluded by moving
the adjournment of the debate.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER resisted the
adjournment, and said that the hon. member had himself
offered the best argument against his motion by entering
into the merits of the main question. He admitted that the
district alluded to by the hon. member was peculiarly situ-
ated, but the business of the house was to legislate for the
whole kingdom and not for any particular district. This
increase was not so onerous as that proposed by Sir R.
Peel in '42, being only in fact sixpence the gallon, deduc-
tion being made for the allowance for wastage in bond.
Besides, much of the failure of Sir R. Peel's project arose
from the Mathew movement in Ireland. The government
intended to make the services of the constabulary aux-
iliary to those of the revenue police. They had not come
to a conclusion on the question whether or not the two
bodiei ought to be consolidated ; but they were con-
vinced that the constabulary could render great assist-
ance in the collection of the spirit duty ; and their opinion
on this point was founded on the authority of responsible
servants of the crown engaged in administering the govern-
ment of Ireland. (Hear, hear.) It was perfectly rational
to anticipate the collection of the increased revenue, and
the house having repeatedly decided in favour of the pro-
posed change, he hoped that decision would now be con-
firmed.
Mr. P. O'BRIEN thought that after what had been
done already the measure should not be subjected to any
further opposition ; but as the question of drawback re-
quired consideration, he hoped this stage of the bill would
not be pressed that evening.
Lord C. HAMILTON was against passing the third
reading until the government had stated by what improved
machinery they meant to prevent illicit distillation. (Hear,
hear.) He well remembered the social and moral evils
which arose from the former attempt to levy an increased
duty ; and he would particularly remind the right hon.
gentleman that he had promised not to involve the consta-
bulary in the odium which might attend the collec of
the tax.
Mr. H. HERBERT could assure the Chancelloreof the
Exchequer that great dissatisfaction would be caused by
the employment of the constabulary. (Hear, hear.) His
own county was at that moment supporting a larger body
of police than it actually required ; and the Chancellor of
the Exchequer now proposed to increase the duties of the
constabulary for imperial purposes. (Hear, hear.)
Sir J. YOUNG said there appeared to be an entire mis-
apprehension with regard to the use that was to be made
of the constabulary. It was the opinion of many of the
officers of that force most conversant with the-counties in
which illicit distillation had been most prevalent that the
constabulary might be employed to assist the revenue offi-
cars without any injury to its morale. The revenue police
were to be placed in an effective condition ; and the con-
stabular were to assist them with local information, the
furnishing of which was to be stimulated by rewards and
regulations adapted to promote the object. There was no
ground for supposing that new and onerous duties were to
be thrown on the constabulary. He believed that the ob-
jections to the measure of 1842 did not apply to the pre-
sent one, and that this moderate additional daty might be
safely collected. (Hear.)
Lord NAAS had always, thought it perfectly right in
principle that the highest leviable duty should be collected
on spirits. His practical objections to the measure were
greatly weakened by the right hon. gentleman's statement
as to the providing of new machinery. His right hon.
friend, however, had now merely shadowed out a vague
plan of enlisting the constabulary, but unless he could
show that he could employ them in the same way as the
revenue force it was impossible to suppose that the in-
creased duties could be collected. Unless he was prepared
to lay before them a distinct and perfect plan for the em-
ployment of the constabulary, he (the noble lord) should
oppose the measure. (Hear, hear.) He thought that the
services of the constabulary might be properly used in the
manner proposed, but it would be much more judicious to
postpone the matter for a year, until further inquiries
could be instituted upon the subject.
Mr. CAIRNS applauded the uniform conduct of the
constabulary, and attributed it to the fact, ' that it had
always been employed solely in the enforcement of the
criminal law ; and he had always thought that the use of
them in still-hunting would have been a serious blow to the
efficiency of the force. But the plan of the right hon. gen-
tleman was infinitely worse, for he proposed to make them
common spies and informer& (Cheers.)
Colonel DUNNE entirely concurred with the hon. gen-
tleman who had last spoken, and he must express his sur-
prise that any such scheme could have proceeded from any
one who had been connected with Ireland.

Captain JONES also agreed with every word which had
been said on the subject of the police. The Chancellor of
the Exchequer was certainly right to a certain extent as
to what he had said with respect to the effect of Father
Mathew's temperance movement ; but it was, nevertheless,
the act of Sir It. Peel which had reduced the revenue, and
filled the gaols with persons convicted of offences against
the revenue laws. In proof of this statement the hon.
and gallant gentleman went through the statistics he had
laid before the house on a previous evening. When the
duty was at its lowest point the receipts had been the
greatest, and the sum at present yielded to the Exchequer
proved that it was already too high. Probably 3,000,000
gallons were now supplied every year by illicit distillation.
The circumstances of the country were the same now as
they were when Sir Robert Peel raised the duty, and the
result of the present proposal would be the same as had
followed the policy of that statesman.
Lord GALWAY suggested to the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer the propriety of adjourning the debate at once, as
he had seen enough of Irish members on occasions like this
to be satisfied that they would succeed in their object if
they determined to persevere.
For the adjournment 34
Against it ll3

Majority
Lord NAAS still opposed the third reading of the bill,
and moved the adjournment of the house, as he must be
told how and in what manner the constabulary force of
Ireland was to be employed in carrying out the provisions
of this bill.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would be
unable to tell until the experiment of this bill had been
tried, and he hoped the noble lord would withdraw his
opposition. To protest that this bill should not pass until
the information asked was given, would be about as reason-
able as a man saying, " You shall not go into the water
until you have learned to swim." (Hear, hear, and
laughter.) _ _

Mr. NAPIER was rather surprised to hear this declara-
tion of the right hon. gentleman, seeing that he had already
stated that the details for carrying out the budget, which
of course included this bill, were quite ready. In a
measure like this, the means of collection should be ascer-
tained as early as possible, and it certainly was not unrea-
sonable to ask for delay to admit of that information being
obtained. (Hear, hear.)
Sir J. YOUNG did not think there was any reason for
loss of temper on this matter. Something that he said had
been misinterpreted. It was stated that his right hon.
friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would state the
details of the plan of collection. (The right hon. gentle-
man read an extract from the speech on the budget, to the
effect that the constabulary would be called on to give
their assistance in the collection of the revenue.) He had a
conversation with Sir Duncan Macgregor, who said he had
once been of opinion against a consolidation of the two
forces, but from representations made to him he had
yielded that opinion. The constabulary had extensive
local knowledge, knew every house, and the occupation of
the inmates, but they had never given any information.
All that was intended now to be done was to bring the two
forces a little together. This was all, not to make the po-
lice spies. They wished to go step by stop. This was the
first step, and if they found it succeed, they might go a
little further. They had acted most cautiously, and there
was no call for the observations which had been made •on
the other side.

Colonel DUNNE thought the proposed employment of
the constabulary would by no means make that force more
popular in Ireland. The right hon. gentleman (Mr. Glad-
stone) said they should not get the plan ; but they had got
it, and it was a very unwise one. They had got the opinion
of Sir Duncan llacgrogor, but he was not so able to form
an opinion as the country gentlemen. He (Col. Dunne)
objected to the plan, which made the measure much
worse.

Mr. V. SO ULLY said if the constabulary were to be used
to collect the revenue in Ireland, the Irish people should
be entirely relieved from the charge of that force. He quite
concurred in the observation that the police should not be
used as spies ; but when the opportunity occurred, he
should be prepared to prove that when gentlemen opposite
were in office, they did use the police as spies.
Mr. CONOLLY said in his county they were paying a
large sum for an extra number of police to keep the peace,
and now it appeared they were to be employed to collect
the revenue.

Lord J. RUSSELL said the right hon. gentleman (Mr.
Napier) was particularly anxious to have the opinion of
Sir Duncan Macgregor. Now he had got it ; and then it
was said his opinion was not so good as that of the country
gentlemen. He thought the right hon. gentleman could
hardly, after this, persist in his opposition. He must see
that any plan for the regulation of the police was a matter
of detail, and could not be considered in that house. If
the house would now agree to the third reading of this bill
—if there was any question with regard to wastage, they
could take that question afterwards ; but really, after the
two hours' discussion they had had, he thought they ought
to be allowed to take the third reading.
Mr. MAGAN thought the observation of the noble lord
a fair one. But he rose to allude to a subject which
passed elsewhere this evening. (Uproarous laughter.) He
pitied Lord Eglinton for the exhibition that noble lord had
made of himself that evening in the House of Lords. He
was astonished at Lord Eglinton having made use of an
affidavit signed by one of the greatest malefactors in Ire-
land—a person whom he (Captain Mogan) would under-
take, if means were placed at his disposal out of 'the Con-
solidated Fund, to induce to swear that black was white.
(Great laughter.) All the other subscribers wore persons
incapable of giving disinterested evidence, being mere
violent partisans. (Great laughter.) The gallant gentleman
was proceeding to go into the whole details of the
question, telling anecdotes illustrative of the characters
of those persons ; but cries of Divide and Question led him
to give way ' • and
Lord C. HAMILTON returned to the point immediately
before the house, but the house by this time (quarter past
2) had become exceedingly impatient, and he did not ob-
tain a hearing.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER declared
his readiness to offer the house every information that was
possible ; but it was out of the question to produce a de-
tailed plan beforehand.
Lord NAAS asked, then, if the Government would offer
this session any bill for the new regulation of the consta-
bulary ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—No.
Lord GALWAY implored the house at that hour to con-
sider Mr. Speaker. (Cheers from the English members.)
Ho entreated hon. gentlemen not to ask the house to divide
again. (Cheers, and cries of Divide.)
Hon. gentlemen persisting, the house divided on the
question of adjournment :
Foradjournbag 2B
Against lo9— 81
The house accordingly proceeded; and on re-entering the

gallery, wo found Lord C. Hamilton and Sir J. V. Shelley
contesting as to whether Lord Naas had been "factious."
Lord N AAS repudiated the idea of factiousness, amid
laughter ; and then again went into the question.
Mr. PHINN was not fond of giving offence ; but ho
asked the noble lord if 'the conduct of Mr. Napier had hot
conveyed a practical reproof to him, that hon. and learned
gentlemanhavingdesisted. from an opposition not warranted
by the spirit of the house. (Loud cheers.)
Lord J. RUSSELL, at this point, said that nothing was
to be gained by continuing such discussions and such divi-
sions. Hon. gentlemen might succeed in stopping business,
but he doubted if they would not regret the impression they
produced that they were a factious opposition. (Cheers.)
He would agree to an adjournment of the debate. (Cheers,
mingled with cries of " No, no," "Go on," "Go on for
ever.")
The SPEAKER then put tho question (we do not know
by whom moved) that the debate should be adjourned ; and
the ayes and noes being about equal there was another
division.

For the adjournment..
Against

21
_lO3-82

Col. DU-NNE moved that the house do now adjourn.
Mr. R. MOORE was understood to support the motion,
and attempted to address the house, amidst great confu-
sion and cries of Divide.

Mr. BOWYER suggested that the machinery of the bill
should be suspended, and a separate measure for regulating
it be introduced ; and that the bill be read a third time,
reserving the question of the machinery, and that of the
employment of the police.
Mr. MAGAN concurred in the suggestion.
After a few words from Mr. CONOLLY,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
Mr. Conolly had absented himself when the bill was for-
merly discussed. This measure was expected to come on
to-night, and the Succession Bill had gone off at 10 o'clock,
could the hon. member have been in his place, or had he
come in after midnight, fresh, and not exhausted, as the
rest of the house had been, and he now sought to adopt
the old plan of converting a minority into a majority. But
the rule of the house, and by which alone the business of
the house could be conducted, was that the minority should
yield to the majority, and the great question now was
whether that rule should be maintained or not? (Cheers.)
After a few words from Col. SIBTHORP.
Col. KNOX said that after the lecture of the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, he would say that, the sneering and
taunting manner in which he had received a reasonable
request had caused the difficulty in which the house was
now placed.
Several other members spoke, and the house divided on
the question of adjournment—
For the adjournment lB
Against. 94-76
The bill was ultimately read a third time, on the under-
standing that the discussion should be taken onthe question
of its passing.

NEW WRITS.
New writs were ordered for Durham and Peterborough,
vacant by the decision of election committee.
The house ajourned at half-past three o'clock.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

BETTING AT MANCHESTER, YESTERDAY.
_ _

Since Tuesday there has been very iittle doing, many
having gone to Beverley races, which took place on Wed-
nesday and Thursday. Yesterday, however, the Coom-
berland Strathesmon for the Northumberland Plate
(about whom 20 to 1 was offered on Tuesday) was again
introduced, and without much outlay closed at 7 to 1,
but owing to the scantiness of the attendance, we could
not consider that a fair market price. Garforth for the
same event, who has for some time been nominally in
the betting at 100 to 7, was backed at as low as 8 to 1.
To-day there was no great eagerness shown to back the
Strathesmon, and Colsterdale, who has this day or two
looked unhealthy in the market, showed symptoms of
improvement. A few investments brought the Liver-
pool Cup into notice, and a few inquiries were made
about the Goodwood Stakes ; any advance upon 10 to 1
would have been taken about Sestus, which price was
offered on the field. There was a further advance in
favour of West Australian for the St. Leger.

LATEST BETTING.
NORTHUMBERLAND PLATE.
9 to 2 agst Goldfinder (taken).
6to 1 agst Chief Justice (taken).
6to 1 agst Colsterdale (taken).
9to 1 agst Garforth (taken).
9to 1 agst Coomberlond Stathesmon (t.)
100 to 8 agst Doublethong (t.)
15 to 1 agst G-oorkah (t.)
20 to 1 agst Indian Warrior (offers to t.)
LIVERPOOL CUP.
10 to 1 agst Poodle (t)
10 to 1 agst Cariboo (t. 12 to 1)
12 to 1 agst Goorkah (t.)
GOODWOOD STAKES.
10 to lon the field (offered)
100 to 8 agst Little Harry (t.)
ST. LEGER.
sto 4 agst West Australian (taken).
5 to 1 agst Cineas (t. and off.)
5 to 1 agst Rataplan (t.)

CRICKET.

MARYLEBONE CLUB AND GROUND v. THE
UNIVERSITY OF OXFORD.

This return match was resumed and concluded at
Lord's yesterday, when a large assemblage of spectators
gathered to gaze upon the proceedings. As on the first-
named day, so yesterday, the company comprised a large
number of the aristocracy and gentlemen who take an
interest in the game.
The Marylebone Club having left off on Thursday with
a score of 108 and one wicket to go down, now increased
that number to 113, or 21 behind their opponents.
Oxford then went in for their second hands, and were
not dislodged until they had accomplished 114 runs.
In their second innings, the M.O.C. were only able to
" tie" their former innings, and thus they left themselves
in a gross minority of 22. And so stood the ultimate
score :

OXFORD.

First Innings.
Hon. E. C. Leigh, c and b

Second Innings,

_ .
Grundy 1 b Dean 6
R. H. Colley, Esq., b Grundy 4 b Grundy 3
R. Harkey, Esq., c Calmly, b
Grundy 8 b Grundy l7
W. G. Armitstead, Esq., c Han-
key, b Grundy l6 b Grundy 26
E. Balfour, Esq., b Grundy... 6 b Deau 4
H. M. Aitken, Esq., run out 9 c Soames, b Doan 0
E. H. L. Willes, Esq., c Grundy,

b Soames
W. W. Parker, Esq., c 'lackey,

44 b Dean.

b Soames - 16 b Dean.
W. Inge, Esq., not out l3 b Grundy 6
W. Ridding, Esq., b Grundy... 12 not out 2O
A. Cazenove, Esq"., b Grundy... 2 b Grundy l9
byes 2, leg-byes 1 3 b 7,1-b 2, w 1 lO

Total 131

Total 114

MARYLEBONE.

First Innings. Second Innings.
Dean, c Cazonove, b Balfour... 4 c Balfour, b Aitken 6
S. Soames, Esq., b Cazenove... 0 b Hankcy 0
A. Haygarth, Esq., b Hankey 45 b Willes lB
Grundy, c Leigh, b Balfour... 3 st Ridding, b Cazo-

novo i
R. Kynastou, Esq., b Inge 2O b Aitken H
Hon. E. Bligh, b Aitken 5 b Hankey • 6
E. Trecicroft, Esq., c Hankoy, .
_ ..._ ...

b Balfour
1 b Hankey 6
F. Hankey, Esq., b Balfour 1 not out 5

W. Fellov;s, Esq., c Cazcnove,

b Haukey - 9 Ibw, b Hankey...,.. 0
E. Calverley, Esq., b Cazenove 13 b Wiles ill
R. Gadesden, Esq., not out .. . 2 c Hankey, b Aitken 0
leg-byes 3, wide 4, no balls 310 b 4, 1-b 3, w 6, n

bl l4

Total 110

T0ta1........, 113

THE ELEVEN OF ENGLAND v. TWENTY-TWO
OF WISBEACH AND DISTRICT.

This match was played at Wisbeach, on the ground in
the Lynn-road, upon Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday
last. Some of the novely of such an event had been
taken off by a similar match at Wisbeach two years ago,
but the residents of the district, whose opportunities for
a gathering are not very numerous, assembled in great
force, particularly on the second day, when the England
players had the greater portion of their work to do.
The final score showed a majority in favour of the Eleven
of 27 runs in one innings.

THE STRIKE OF THE MANCIIIESTER POLICE FORCE.—
Little change has taken place in the aspect of this
movement since our Saturday's publication. Of the
250 notices of resignation handed by Captain Willis
to the watch committee on Thursday last, we believe
none have been recalled by the men. Previous to the
strike there was a somewhat numerous list of ap-
plicants for situations in the force. TkesChave been
communicated with, and 12 of the number have re-
sponded to the. call. These, along with 18 others,
making 30 men, were yesterday set on partial duty, and
placed in course of training. We understand that offers
have been received from police establishments in various
parts of the country to supply men, as soon as it
shall be definitively concluded that the force in Man-
chester who have given notice to resign intend to per-
severe in their determination. A feeling, however,
begins to prevail, that if the councillors for the different
wards, who aro supposed to know something of the
opinions of their constituents in the matter, were to re-
present their views at a special meeting of the council,
it would be found that a majority of them were in
favour of some advance being acceded to, rather than
that the city should suffer the inconvenience inevitable
upon a new force. The existing establishment have had
many wholesome lessons imparted to them in court from
the bench, on the necessity of preserving a calm temper
under irritating circumstances, and have also become ac-
quainted with many useful points guarding them against
unduly infringing upon the liberty of the subject, show-
ing under what considerations they are justified in enter-
ing a person's house, when a person should be summoned
instead of apprehended, &c. Whether it would be wise
to sacrifice all this for the sake of a couple of shillings
each per week is more than doubtful.—Manchester Exa-
miner.
NORTHERN LIGHTS.—The annual statement of the ac-
counts of the Commisioners for Northern Lights for the
year 1852, have been laid before Parliament, pursuant
to the act. The total revenue of the northern lights for
that year was 50,6001. ls. 4fd., being 48,0041. 35.-41 d.
received as light dues, and 2,5851. 18s. miscellaneous
receipts. The expenditure is included under the follow-
ing branches :—Ordinary expenditure for the mainten-
ance of lights, 13,5311. ,18s. 3d. ; ditto allocated upon
the light-houses, 15,1471. 12s. 84d. ; extraordinary ex-
penditure, 13,7521. 17s. sd.—making a total expendi-
ture for the year of 42,4321. Bs. W. The surplus,
therefore, amounts to 8,1671. 135., from which a. balance
of 6,606/. 13s. 5d., due to the Royal Bank at the close
of 1851, must be deducted, leaving a sum of 1,5601.
188. 7d. at the bank to the credit of the commissioners. ,