The Sun.
London, England, 1853-08-02 00:00:00

merchant ships as the reason for their having made the
change. It was obvious that that right afforded the sea-
men in merchant vessels a security against ill-treatment ;
and he submitted, therefore, that on the ground of huma-
nity, as well as on the ground of policy, the clause which
had been proposed by his hon. friend the member for
Gateshead ought not to be adopted.
Mr. THOMPSON supported the clause proposed by the
hon. member for Gateshead. He believed that the right
for which the right hon. baronet the First Lord of the
Admiralty contended, was of little value to her Majesty's
service, as the right hon. baronet himself had shown, while
it was productive of great annoyance in the mercantile
marine.

had been wrecked upon the north-east coast of Ireland, re-
' presenting property to the amount of 167,0001.
Mr. R. M. FOX hoped the amendment would meet
with a favourable consideration. He must protest against
a different allocation of the 90,0001. in the hands of the
Ballast Board, and the 32,0001. remaining with the Trinity
House, or against any set-off being taken on account of the
debt due from Kingstown Harbour.
Mr. V. SCULLY considered that the bill contemrlated
a very bad bargain for Ireland. The only argument that
he had heard in favour of the proposition was, that Ireland
having this large balance unappropriated she ought to be
deprived of it.
Mr. CARDWELL said whatever gain would arise from
the transaction, Ireland would have its fair share. It so
happened that Ireland had a balance of 100,0001., but that
sum was subjected to a debt of 170,0001. (A laugh.) Out
of that balance of 100,0001. there was a sum of 20,0001.
to be expended on Irish works, under this act. He had
explained the whole of the arrangement on two previous
occasions in committee, and he believed all parties were
satisfied.
Mr. HUME understood that the way in which Ireland
became possessed of that large balance was by charging
lid. instead of ld. per ton. It was money unjustly levied
upon the commerce of the country, as no money ought to
be levied beyond what was required to keep the lights and
harbours in a proper condition.
Mr. VANCE complained that foreign vessels which did
use the harbour of Kingstown were compelled to pay dues,
while vessels which did use the harbour were exempted.
He thought that was a great hardship, and ought to be
remedied.
Colonel DUNNE could not see how this debt of 170,0001.
could be made out.
The amendment was then negatived without a division.
Mr. INGHAM then moved the amendment of which he
had given notice in the 29th clause :—" Excepting as to
ships employed in a coasting voyage from one part of the
United Kingdom to another ; or in a voyage between the
United Kingdom and the islands of Guernsey, Jersey, Al-
derney, Sark, or Man, or from one part of either of them
to anothe? of the same; or employed in fishing on the
coasts of the United Kingdom or of any of the said islands;
in which cases, and every of them, the whole of the crew
shall be British seamen." He contended that they were
bound at least to protect this department of their trade,
which was the great nursery of their seamen, and which
might be said to be the hereditary employment of thousands
of the people of this country. He objected to allowing
foreign sailors to enter this trade, and hoped he would have
the support of the house in the amendment he now pro-
posed.
Captain SCOBELL seconded the amendment.
Mr. CARDWELL objected to the amendment. He
thought that when they were throwing open the foreign
trade there could be no good ground for making an excep-
tion in favour of the coasting trade.
The house then divided—
For the amendment
Against it

countries. However, he was persuaded, after what h ad
passed, that it would be impossible to pass it this session.
The motion of Mr. Kinnaird was then unanimous sly
agreed to.
DUTIES ON HORSES LET FOR HIRE BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed,

BETTING-HOUSES BILL.
This bill was committed pro forma.
CUSTOMS ACTS CONSOLIDATION YELL.
This bill was read a second time.
INSURANCES ON LIVES BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
The house then adjourned at three o'clock.

Mr. MANGLES also supported the clause which had
been moved by the hon. member for Gateshead. He had
himself seen the right of taking seamen from a merchant
vessel exercised in a most offensive and mischievous manner
in the port of Madras. The crew of the vessel had held
out some signal of discontent, and the lieutenant of one of
her Majesty's ships had immediately gone on board, had
compelled the captain to muster his crew, and had then
taken off a number of his best men, so that he had after-
wards been greatly crippled in the discharge of his duties.
Mr. WILCOX said, that men who were disposed to leave
a merchant vessel never had any hesitation in avowing that
it was in consequence of ill-treatment they were induced
to take that step. Discontented men on board such a ves-
sel hoisted the well-known signal of a red shirt, and then
there came to them a boat from one of her Majesty's ships.
He knew a case in which the system in question had
operated in the most grievous way. Off the Mauritius the
red shirt was hoisted on board a vessel bound from Calcutta
to England, and 12 of the best hands had then been taken
off to one of her Majesty's ships. There had not bean a suffi-
cient number of hands left to manage the vessel, and next
day she had become perfectly logged in a dead calm. A
steamer had approached, and when the captain had been
asked for 12 men, he said he would do something better
than give them—he would tow the vessel on. He had ac-
cordingly towed her to the Cape, and when arrived there
he had claimed 2,2001. for salvage. The result was, that up-
wards of 5,000/. worth of the cargo had been sold to meet
that claim, and the vessel had been detained six months.
Admiral BERKELEY said he believed that the existing
arrangement operated as a valuable security against the
ill-treatment of men in the merchant service. He had
known a case in which Admiral Parker, when stationed at
the Tagus, had endeavoured to terminate a quarrel between
the master and the men on board a merchant vessel. That
vessel had sailed away, but the next day when a ship of war
had been seen by the crew, theyhad jumped overboard their
own vessel to her. It was manifest that nothing but the
grossest ill-treatment could have driven them to take so
extreme a course.
Mr. R. PALMER said that the house had been only a
choice of difficulties. But he thought that, balancing the
advantages and disadvantages on each side, the best course
they could pursue would be to adopt the proposal of her
Majesty's Government, and to try that relaxation of a pre-
vious practice before they determined on abolishing a right
which it might be most important that the officers of her
Majesty's navy should possess on great public emergencies.
Mr. HUTT introduced some verbal amendments into the
clause he had moved.
The house then divided—
For Mr. Hutt's clause
Against it
Majority against the clause --80
Captain SCOBELL then moved the following clause

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-AuG. 1.

( Front the Votes and Proceedings of the House of
Commons.)
MERCHANT SHIPPING BILL.

Another clause (whereas it is expedient that seamen should
no longer be permitted to desert the vessels in which
they are engaged for the purpose of entering into her
Majesty's service, be it enacted, that the fiftieth and
fifty-first sections of the act of the eighth year of her
present Majesty, chapter one hundred and twelve, shall
be repealed ; and it shall not be lawful for any officer in
her Majesty's service knowingly to permit or encourage
any seaman to leave the vessel in which he is engaged ;
and every seaman leaving his ship and entering into her
Majesty's service shall be liable to all the penalties of
desertion, any law or custom notwithstanding) brought
up, and read the first time :—Motion made, and question
put, "That the said clause be now read a second time."
The house divided—ayes, 49; noes, 129.
MINORETY—AYES 49.

Beaumont, W. B. Heywood, James Pollard-Urquhart, W.
Bell, J. Heyworth, Lawrence Russell. F. W.
Blackett, J. F. 'Torsion, Thomas B. Seymour, H. In,
Bright, John Hume, J. Seymour, W. D.
Cheetham, John Ingham, R. Shelley, Sir J. V.
Clay, Sir W. Kirk, Milian/ Smith, John Abel
Duncan, G. Laing, Samuel Stuart, Lord Dudley
Dunlop, A. Langton, H. G. Thompson, George
Elliot, J. E. Liddell, H. G. Wahnsley, Sir J.
Fagan, William Liddell, T. Warner, Edward
Ferguson, Joseph Macgregor, John Wilkinson, W. A.
Forster, J. Maguire, John F. Wilcox, B.
Fox, William J. Mitchell, T. Willoughby, Sir H.
Gooderich, Vis. Moffatt, G.
Greene, J. Morris, D.
Gregson, Samuel Murrough, J. P.
Ha,stie, Alexander Pechell, Sir G, B. Mangles, R,
Headlam, Thomas E. Pellatt, Apsley Hutt, William
MAJORITY—NOES, ITS.
A'Court, C. George, John pakner, Roundell
Adderley, C. Gladstone, William Palmerston, Viscount
Archdall, Captain Gower, F. L. Patten, J.
Bailey, ,ir J. Graham, Sir J. feel, P.
Baines, M. T. Greene, T. reel, Colonel
Ball, John. Grenfell, C. Percy, J. William
Barrington, Viscount Hamilton, Geo. A. Pete, 8.•
Bass, Michael Thos. Hastie, Archibald flaimore, R. J.
Berkeley, Admiral Henley, Joseph: W. Pilking-tc,n, James
Berkeley Grenville Herbert, Sidney Robertson, P. F.
Bethell, Sir Richard Herbert, Sir Thomas Russell, JA)rd J.
Blair, Colonel Hervey, Lord Alfred Saclleir, X.
Benham-Carter, John Howard, Lord E. Sawle, C. B. G.
Booth, Sir R. Hume, W. Fitzwilliam Scobell, Ca itt.
Bouverie, E. Inglis, Sir R. H. Scully, F.
Bower, G. Johnstone, James Scully, V.
Boyle, Hon. Colonel Jolllffe, Sir W. G.H. Seymour, Loi 'd
Brocklehurst, John Jones, David Smith, Rt. Ho. R.
Brotherton, Joseph Keating, R. Spooner, Riche&
Bruce, Lord Ernest Kendall, N. Struts, Rt. Bon, ,E
Buller, Sir J. Keogh, William Sutton, J. H. M..
Sunbury, W. Kershaw, James Tancred, Henry W tn.
Butler, Charles S. Kinnaird, Arthur F. Thornely, Thomas.:
Cabbell, B. B. Lawley, F. C. Townshend, Capt.
Cairns, H. M`Calmont Lee, William Tyler, Sir G.
Cardwell, Edward Lockhart, A. E. Vance, J.
Caulfield, Colonel Lockhart, W. Vernon, C.
Chambers, T. Loveden, P. Villiers, Francis
Cockburn, Sir Al Lowe, Robert Vyse, Capt.
Cowper, W. Macartney, G. Waddington, David
Craufurd, E. H. 3 Mackinnon, W. A. Waddington, H.
Cubitt, Mr. Ald. Macgregor, James Walcott, Adm.
Davies, D. Matins, R. Whitmore, Henry
Denison, J. E. Massey, W. N. Wickham, Henry W.
Drumlanrig, Viscount Masterman, John Williams.,M.
Drummond, Henry Mottle, Colonel Wilson, J.
Dunne, Colonel Michell, William Wodehouse, E.
Elcho, Lord Molesworth, Sir W. Wood, Sir Charles
Esmonde, J. Monk, Viscount Wrightson, W.
Fitzgerald, J. D. Monsen, W. Wyndham, William
Fitzgerald, W. It. S. Mostyn, E. M. Young, Sir John
Freestun, Colonel Mowbray, John R. TELLERS
Frewen, C. H. O'Brien, Patrick Hayter, W. G.
Gardner, Richard O'Connell, D. Mulgrave, Earl
Another clause (whereas many vessels are sent to sea in-
efficiently manned, to the danger of life and sacrifice of
property, and much incertitude has arisen respecting
the proper number of hands to be carried for the due
navigation of vessels ; and whereas, since tho repeal of
the thirty-seventh clause of the Merchant Seamen's Act,
a large number of ships have been sent to sea without a
boy or apprentice on board, bo it enacted, that from
and after the passing of this act, it shall not be
lawful for any Custom House officer, or other
person to grant clearance to any agent, owner,
master, or broker, for the sailing of a British
vessel out of any port in the United Kingdom or
Channel Isles, with a cargo, or in ballast to a foreign
port, either in the foreign home trading, or coasting
trades, unless it be shown to the satisfaction of the offi-
cers of her Majesty's Customs, by the articles signed by
the officers and seamen, that such vessel is manned after
the following rate :—Vessels of the burthen of one hun-
dred tons register, computed by new measurement, one
duly indentured apprentice, above the age of twelve years
and under twenty-one years of age, such apprentice to be
bound for not less than three years, and one boy to every 1
additional one hundred tons, with one master, officer,
seaman, or proper person, to every twenty-five tons
complete, or four seamen to every one hundred tons : Pro-
vided always, that an apprentice who has served for a full
terms of three years on ship-board, and who is above
seventeen years of age, may count for one seaman when
the number of apprentices and boys does not exceed one
to every one hundred tons ; and owners wishing to carry
men iu largo vessels instead of boys, may compute their
crews on the ensuing scale ; that is to say, in vessels
above two hundred tons, nine seamen for every two
hundred tons above the first one hundred tons,—namely,
on board a ship of three hundred tons, for example,
thirteen seamen and one apprentice, masters and officers
included.) Motion made and question put, "That the
said clause be now read a second time." The house
divided : ayes 7, noes 154.

TILLERS.

. 35
. 104
-69

Majority....
The bill then passed.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that to-morrow (this day) he
proposed to proceed with the committee of supply. On
Thursday he would state the intentions of the Government
with regard to Jamaica.
Mr. BROTHERTON (at half-past one o'clock) objected
to proceeding any further. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
PILOTAGE BILL.
The house then went into committee on this bill.
On clause 10,
Mr. HORSFALL resisted the attempt at that hour to
proceed further with a bill of so much importance.
Mr. LIDDELL moved that the chairman report pro-
gress.

.. 49
.129

"Whereas many vessels are sent to sea inefficiently manned,
to the danger of life and sacrifice of property, and muck
incertitude has arisen respecting the proper number of
hands to be carried for the due navigation of vessels ; and

whereas, since the repeal of the 37th clause of the Mer-
chant Seamen's Act, a large number of ships have been
sent to sea without a boy or apprentice on board, be it en-
acted that, from and after the passing of this act, it shall
not be lawful for any Custom-house officer, or other per-
son, to grant clearance to any agent, owner, master, or
broker, for the sailing of a British vessel out of any port
in the United Kingdom or Channel Isles, with a cargo, or
in ballast to a foreign port, either in the foreign, home-
trading, or coasting trades, unless it be shown to the sa-
tisfaction of the officers of her Majesty's Customs, by the
articles signed by the officers and seamen, that such vessel
is manned after the following rate : vessels of the burden
of 100 tons register, computed by new measurement, one
duly indentured apprentice, above the ago of 12 years, and
under 21 years of age, such apprentice to be bound for not
less than three years ; and one boy to every additional 100
tons, with one master, officer, seaman, or proper person,
to every 25 tons complete, or four seamen to every 100
tons : Provided always, that an apprentice who has
served for a full term of three years on shipboard, and
who is above 17 years of age, may count for one seaman
when the number of apprentices and boys does not exceed
one to every 100 tons ; and owners wishing to carry men
in large vessels instead of boys may compute their crews
after the ensuing scale—that is to say, in vessels above 200
tons, nine seamen for every 200 tons above the first 100
tons—namely, on board a ship of 300 tons, for example,
13 seamen and one apprentice (master and officers in-
cluded)." He contended that ships worked by foreigners
could not be worked as efficiently as if the crew were na-
tives. The naval committee that had sat recently had
strongly recommended the system of apprentices. By his
clause the number of apprentices would be increased to
20,000, instead of 14,000. Two-thirds of the emigrant
vessels did not carry any apprentices at all. Now he
thought, to keep up a good stock of seamen, they should
keep up the system of apprentices. He confessed that his
great object in proposing the clause was to secure the
safety of the country in case of war. They must recollect
that our seamen could take out American protection, and
thereby be lost to our service.

For reporting progress 27
Against it 97
Majority
Mr. E. BALL immediately moved that the chairman
leave the chair. (Cheers.)
Mr. CARDWELL appealed to the lateness of the session
as a reason why he felt compelled to press the bill on.
The motion for Mr. Bouverie leaving the chair was agreed
to, and the house resumed.
CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Mr. MAGUIRE resisted the measure as unnecessary in
the present circumstances of Ireland. He thought that at
least the proclamations should be withdrawn from those
counties which were comparatively peaceable.
Sir J. YOUNG, whilst he admitted that the millions of
Ireland were in a peaceable and contented state, could not
shut his eyes to the existence of certain secret societies in
that country, to which it was still necessary to extend the
law.

After a few words from Mr. BOWYER,
The bill was read a third time and passed.
BURIALS (BEYOND THE METROPOLIS) BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed, and the foll-
[owing clause added :—" Provided always, that in all cases
in which any burial board shall provide a new burial
ground, that new burial ground shall be divided into
consecrated and unconsecrated parts in such proportions,
and the unconsecrated part thereof shall be allotted in such
manner and in such portions as may be sanctioned by one
of her Majesty's Principal Secretaries of State ; and when
any burial board shall, by virtue of section 30 of the said
act, build on any burial-ground provided by such board a
chapel for the performance of the burial service according
to the rites of the United Church of England and Ireland,
they shall also build on the portion of such ground set
apart for burials otherwise than according to the rites of
the said Church, such chapel accommodation for the per-
formance of burial service by persons not being members
of the said Church, as may be approved of by one of her
Majesty's Secretaries of State."
THE LUNACY REGULATION BILL.
This bill was read a third time.
HACKNEY-CARRIAGE DUTIES BILL.
This bill was brought up to be considered as amended.
Mr. LOWE brought up a clause, which, he said, he be-
lieved to have been framed at the request of the cab pro-
prietors themselves, and which would undoubtedly benefit
the public. The object of the clause was, that where a
cab was hired by time, after the first hour the cabman
could demand for every quarter of an hour 6d., instead of
2s. for the' whole hour.
The clause was agreed to and added to the bill.
Mr. F. SCULLY brought up a clause which was in-
tended to prevent the cab proprietors again suddenly with-
drawing their cabs from the streets, by giving power to
the commissioners of police to withdraw or suspend the
licenses for cabs in the event of their being withdrawn two
consecutive days, without a notice of 10 days having been
given by the proprietors, or to the magistrates to inflict a
fine not exceeding 20s. for each carriage withdrawn each
clay. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. LOWE begged to state that the clause met with the
approval of the Scretary to the Treasury.
Lord D. STUART objected to the clause, because it left
everything to the decision of a magistrate. He should, on
the third reading of the bill, move a clause, giving the
power of appeal from the decision of the magistrate or
police commissioner in every case falling under the act.
It had been his intention on a previous occasion to give
notice of the clause which he proposed to move, but at
that time the proprietors of cabs had withdrawn them
from the streets, and under those circumstances he felt
that it would not have been in accordance with his duty
to give any notice on the subject.
Mr. R. PALMER considered the clause to be a speci-
men of inconsiderate legislation, and he should feel it his
duty to oppose it.
Mr. I. BUTT thought that the hon. member for Tippe-
rary was out of order in proposing a clause at the present
stage of the bill of which he had given notice for the third
reading. Ho should wish to hear the Speaker's opinion on
that point.
The SPEAKER was of opinion that, as the hon. mem-
ber had given notice of his intention to move the clause on
the third reading, it was not competent for him to move
it at the present stage of the measure.
The clause was then withdrawn.
Mr. FREWEN objected to the radius of four miles from
Charing-cross. The house ought to know that this was
called a west-end clause and a House of Commons clause.
If the clause stood as at present, it would include Wands-
worth-common and the end of Streatham, where there
was very little chance of a back fare, and would exclude
the populous districts about Mile-end. He proposed, as
an amendment, that the outside boundaries of the metro-
politan boroughs should be adopted as the limit beyond
which the increased charge should:commence.
Sir W. CLAY had received many representations from
the inhabitants of the east-end of the metropolis protest-
ing against Charing-cross being selected as the centre of
the four mile circle. The four miles would just go be-
yond Whitechapel, and would exclude the hundreds of
thousands who lived at Mile-end, Limehouse, and parts
adjacent, while it would include Chelsea, Lambeth, and
the country districts beyond them. (Hear.) He would
propose St. Paul's, which was adopted as the central point
of the metropolis in some recent acts of Parliament.
Mr. LOWE had been requested by his hon. friend (Mr.
Fitzroy) to propose Temple-bar as the best point from
which to measure the four mile circle. (Hear.) The Gen-
eral Post-office had been thought of, but that would
omit Chelsea, while the amendment of the hon. member
(Mr. Frewen) would extend to some country districts. He
understood, for example, that the borough of Marylebone
went up nearly to Hampstead.
After a short conversation, in which Mr. BROTHERTON
renewed his protest against proceeding with the discussion
at so late an hour (half-past 2),
The house divided. The numbers were—
For the amendment l4
Against it
Majority —74
Mr. LO WE then moved the substitution of the words
" Temple-bar" for " Charing-cross" as the centre of the
circle from which to calculate the four miles.
Mr. FREWEN said, that whatever point the circle were
taken from, it would be unfair to certain districts. The
further end Eaton-square, and probably part of Hackney,
would be beyond the circle now proposed. ("No, no.")
The motion for the substitution of Temple-bar was then
agreed to.

Adniiral WALCOTT supported the clause, and said he
was persuaded that the disastrous shipwrecks which had
taken place, and the great loss which resulted, were mainly
owing to the inefficient manning of our ships. It was
proposed to rob the sailor for the benefit of the foreigner,
and the sailor would therefore look for a permanent home
in America. Thousands of British sailors were now in the
service of that power, and numbers were daily going over,
but none were coming from that country.
Mr CARDWELL said the clause under discussion was
not the manning clause, but one prescribing the number
of men to man his ship to the shipowner. Parliament had
repealed the law directing the shipowner as to the number
of men in his ship, and 9,000 men had been added in three
years to the mercantile marine. The plan, therefore, '
worked well. Would a law of an opposite character work
well as regarded apprentices ? He was satisfied it would
not. It was not consistent with reason to dictate to the
shipowner in the matter of men, nor would it be so in the
case of apprentices. The fact was, the owner would evade
the clause by taking landsmen. He (Mr. C.) did not think
the clause was at allin conformity with the spirit of legisla-
tion of that house, nor calculated to promote the interests
of the shipowners, and he was therefore inclined to regard
it rather as a protest than as a serious proposal.
Mr. DUNCAN said that all the mercantile marine
wanted of Parliament was to be let alone. And he en-
treated of the Government, therefore, to agree to no re-
striction on it.

MINORITY-AYES, 7.

Rooth, Sir R.

Macartney, G.

TELLYZA.

Hamilton, Lord C. Taylor, Colonel Walcot, Adm.
Herbert, Sir Thomas Tyler, Sir George Scobell, Captain
Kendall, Nicholas

MAJORITY-NOES 151.

A'Court, C. 11. W.
Adderley, C.

Goodman, Sir G.
Goold, W.

Mowbray, J.
O'Brien, P.

Mr. HUME objected to the clause. The commercial
navy would support itself.
The house then divided—

For the clause
Against it

154
-147

Majority
The clause was therefore rejected.
Mr. HORSFALL (in the absence of Mr. Collier), moved
the following clause --" That where any seaman or ap-
prentice, who shall have committed any offence punishable
under the Mercantile Marine Act, 1850, by summary pro-
ceeding before a justice of the peace, shall arrive or be
found on shipboard within two miles of any borough in
which there is a justice of the peace capable of exercising
summary jurisdiction under the said act, such offence shall
for the purpose of giving jurisdiction to such justice under
the said act, be deemed to have been committed within
the limits of such borough."
Mr. R. PALMER said it would be more convenient to
postpone the question, and he had no doubt his hon. and
learned friend would not object to do so if the government
thought it requisite.
The clause was therefore negatived without a division.
Mr. CAIRNS moved the amendment to the 4th clause
on the subject of the services of the light-houses. He was
not inclined altogether to dispute the arrangement proposed
by the bill, which placed the balance of 100,0001. now in
the hands of the Ballast Board of Dublin at the disposal of
the amalgamated fund, for he regarded the existence of so
large a balance as a proof that that board had not doze its
duty very energetically. He should like to know, however,
why a sillier course was not to be adopted as regarded the
fund at the disposal of the Trinity House. Now according to
the clause under consideration, it was proposed to make the
fund only applicable for the purposes of building light-
houses, and providing andkeeping in repair what were called
marks of the sea, so that the commissioners would be de-
barred from taking any steps to remove rocks or other
impediments to navigation, and to show how the act would
work, he might state that he knew of a buoy on the north-
east coast of Ireland which was maintained at an annual
cost of 1001. Now, according to different estimates, the
rock which it was intended to point out might be blown
up at an expense of from 2001. to 1,000/. ; but under
the bill as it stood there would be no power to obviate
such an anomalous state of things as that, which actually
saw them incurring, at the very least, double the expendi-
ture necessary, independently of other advantages. The
fact was, the law as it stood was so framed at a time when
it was not contemplated that sub-marine operations
would be carried on to the extent which was witnessed
now-a-days. He therefore proposed to amend clause 4, so
that from line 31 it should stand as follows :—" And such
aggregate fund should be applicable to the purposes of the
services in respect of which the said tolls, rates, fees, and
payments are levied, and to the execution of works neces-
sary or expedient for permanently, reducing the expense of
such services, and save, as hereinafter specially mentioned,
to no other purposes whatever."
Mr. CARDWELL said, that the question raised by the
hon. and learned gentleman, whose conspicuous abilities
rendered him so worthy a representative of a great com-
mercial port—(hear, hear)—was one peculiarly belonging
to the shipping interests to be decided. For undoubtedly,
by the law as it now stood it was impossible that the
Board of Trade could use the funds in the manner pro-
posed by the hon. member • he would therefore leave the
amendment entirely in the hands of the house. With
regard, however, to a point raised by the hon. gentleman,
he might state that the sums invested under statute • and
therefore they could be affected again by statute. But as
respected the fund belonging to the Trinity House, that
was money to which British shipowners had never contri-
buted, it having been levied from off foreign shipping ;
and the important part of its enactments had been made
more than five-and-twenty years ago, in strict conformity
with their charter. 'When, therefore, upon the requisition
of the government, the board surrendered its right of tax-
ation in all cases, except for the purposes of this bill, it
had never entered into any engagement at all—nor would
the government have thought it reasonable to ask them to
do so—to surrender any of the sums which had been levied
off foreign shipping.
After some observations from Mr. HUME expressive of
his great desire that the day would soon come when the
whole question of the Trinity House would come under
review, the clause as amended was agreed to.
Mr. KIRK then proposed the following amendment :
In clause 5, line 12, page 4, after " and the produce
thereof," insert "shall, in the first instance, be applied for
the purpose of finishing any works already commenced
the
eyresidueharbourthose
obodiesfofs respectively,urechfui refuge
uo inesthea
foetraesfrtoersr thenu ccoast
purposeaaspt
polif application
teoi
lofannf forming
nif
oairnnedg.
amendmentsafore-
said."d ."
The
bours of refugeaonmtoPhsrteoevl7.
was
sutseo would perceive that the object of th
be established on the coastdes tee t
ofuoopfarpllotrhsheiela harbour
establishmentlreland. For
a very
yo s
nh aarlle-
imnidgehetd,run in and remain with the most perfect
r of
Liverpool, refuge
wheremight
and to show the necessity for such he would svoa
feusetslteaylys,
men-
tion that within the last aye Years no less than 447 vessels

-Sir J. SHELLEY suggested that the case of the Hansom
cabmen was deserving of some consideration at the hands
of the Government.
Mr. FREWEN gave notice that upon the third reading
ho should move to give the cabmen additional pay after 12
o'clock at night. The hon. gentleman moved that no
charge should be made for the conveyance of a man-servant
upon the box when the cab was engaged by two persons.
Mr. LOWE opposed the motion.
The motion was withdrawn.
DUBLIN CARRIAGE BILL.
This bill, as amended, was considered, and several fresh
amendments introduced.
SMOKE NUISANCE ABATEMENT (METROPOLIS)
BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
ECCLESIASTICAL LEASING ACT AMENDMENT

____-.-.
BILL.
This bill was also road a second time.
SOUTH SEA ANNUITIES DISSENTIENTS.
The resolutions of the committee on this subject were
received.

MISSIONARY BISHOPS BILL.
Mr. A. KINNAIRD moved that this bill be read a se-
cond time that day three months. It was a measure which
had been hurried through the House of Lords, and which
a great number of persons interested in its provisions had
had no opportunity of considering. He thought it a very
improper thing to introduce so important a measure at this
late period of the session, and he hoped the noble lord at
the head of the Government in that house would not at-
tempt to pass it.
Mr. SPOONER said that the bill was of that nature that
it would be quite impossible to carry it.
Lord SEYMOUR wished to know whether the Govern-
ment supported or opposed the bill ?
Mr. PHILLIMORE had not charge of the bill, but he
wished to correct a great misconception which prevailed in
respect to it It was slpposed that the object of the bill
was to introduce bishops of the English Church into other
Christian nations. This was an entire mistake; there was
no such provision in the bill. The object of the bill was
simply to allow bishops to act as naiesionaries in heathen

Syr

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 2, 18f3.