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considering its details, or developing the objections which
it might be thought necessary to take against it. There had
not been the least reason to suppose that this bill would go
into committee to-night • indeed, the chairman of the
committee from whom the bill emanated only put it on the
paper pro forma as it were, as it was felt by him and other
honourable members that there was no prospect of its
coming on to-night, while many honourable gentlemen who
took an interest in the measure had gone away under the
impression that the discussion on the Successions Bill
would take up the whole evening. (Hear.) The bill was
only printed the day before yesterday, and it had not been
in the hands of members more than a day ; but, in addition
to that, it should be remembered that this was neither the
bill that he had the honour of bringing in, nor that pro-
posed by the right hon. gentleman the member for the
University of Dublin. It was a bill which was thrown
upon the table of the committee within the two or three
last days of its sitting, and it was the result he believed of
a compromise come to at a moment when the committee
almost despaired of arriving at any conclusion upon the
matter referred to them. (Hear, hear.) Now, under the
circumstances, how could any one be prepared to discuss
its details then? Whose bill was it? Probably the Go-
vernment were desirous of showing the people of Ireland
that they were determined to pass some bill of the sort this
session ; but if this were so, they ought at least to give the
house and the country to understand that they were
pledged to this or some other bill. Did they propose to
pass this bill in its present shape, or were they pledged to
its provisions ? At all events, whether they were anxious
to pass the bill or not, the Government could not be sus-
pected of any want of disposition to do something in this
matter, and therefore he called upon them to postpone the
committal of this bill until full opportunity had been
affording for considering its details. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. V. SCULLY certainly must protest against proceed-
ing with the bill to-night. The bill was the result of a
good deal of labour, while it was intended to afford the
tenants of Ireland some of the protection which they had
been asking for a great many years. But there was
another big upon the subject now before the committee,
and until they knew the result of the labours of the com-
mittee with regard to that bill, he must object to pro-
ceeding with the present measure. The other bill was
generally called the Landlord and Tenants Codification
Bill, but he had heard it more than once styled the
" Extermination Bill," and until they were in posses-
sion of that measure, or, at all events, until Ireland had
been afforded time to pronounce an opinion upon this
bill, he could not admit the expediency of proceeding with
it. (Hear, hear.)
Sir J. YOUNG was at a loss to understand how Irish
bills were to be disposed of, if the Government were to be
met with obstacles like this. If they put a bill down on
the paper for a Wednesday, they were accused of a breach
of faith, and now, at only half-past nine o'clock, they were
told it was too late at night to go on with this bill. No
one could possibly be taken by surprise by the bill, because
it was the bill of the committee who had been expressly
appointed to take the subject into consideration. The
committee not only considered the two bills referred to
' them, but they went thoroughly into the whole subject,
and ultimately they determined upon adopting a bill in
the shape of that now before the house. It could hardly
be said, therefore, that this bill had not been fully consi-
dered already ; but the hon. and learned serjeant wanted
to know if the Government were prepared to pledge them-
selves to the details of the measure. He would not go the
length of saying that, but, when the house recalled to its
recollection the circumstances under which the committee
was appointed from which the bill had come, and the
manner in which it was constructed, the house would at
once perceive that the bill was one which was entitled to
their immediate consideration. The majority of the com-
mittee were favourable to the principle of tenant right,
while in accordance with the wishes of the Irish people
they had referred to them the bill proposed by the hon.
and learned serjeant and that prepared by the right hon.
gentleman the member for Dublin, and after many weeks
deliberation they agreed to recommend the present bill for
the adoption of the house. There were two points of the
bill which he, on the part of the Government, objected to
in committee, namely, the point which related to the
regulations for waste land improvements and that which
had reference to the retrospective compensation of tenants,
but those parts of the bill were carried in committee
against him, and the Government now proposed to leave
tho house to dispose of the bills as they thought proper.
(Hear, hear, and cheers.) Underthe circumstances, however,
which he had just stated, ho could see no reason whatever
for delay; and he must again urge the necessity of going
into committee to-night. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. NAPIER entered into an explanation of what had
occurred in the committee up stairs, and admitted that the
committee gave the fullest consideration not only to the
two bills referred to them but the whole subject of tenant
right. With regard to the bill he was opposed to its
machinery, and he advocated some delay in its being com-
mitted.
Colonel GREVILLE urged that, as the bill was only
in the hands of members yesterday, it should not be pro-
ceeded with. He wished to know whose bill it was ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the
Government attached groat importance to the bill, and
they were anxious to proceed with it. The subject was
ono of great importance, but whether the provisions of the
bill were right or wrong (and no one seemed to be respon-
sible for them), would only be seen by going into commit-
Ise. But, considering the unpreparedness of hon. mem-
bers, he should recommend his right hon. friend to yield
to the wish so generally expressed, and postpone the com-
mittee.
After a few words from Mr. KIRK,
Mr. BRIGHT said that the house ought to know what
the views of the Governmrnt were on the bill; and it was
unfortunate that in the select committee those views were
not known. The Chief Secretary for Ireland had done his
best in the select committee to make the best of the bill,
and had taken a very liberal view of the question, but ho
(Mr. Bright) would recommend the Government to go care-
fully over the bill, and mike up their minds to carry it as
a Government measure. lT believed it was the best mea-
sure that could be passed, Ind would give greater satisfac-
tion in Ireland than some hon. members expected, and
would tend to set at rest this session the important ques-
tion of tenant compensation.
Mr. WHITESIDE said this was in truth a new bill, and
he implored English members to read it, and consider how
they would relish having its principle extended to Eng-
land and Scotland. If the Government believed in the
soundness of the principle of the bill they ought to take it
up, and endeavour to carry it.
The bill was then postponed.
The order of the day for the second reading of the Lou-
don and Edinburgh Gazettes Bill was discharged.
TAXING OFFICER COMMON LAW (IRELAND.)
On the consideration of this bill, as amended,
Mr. I. BUTT moved, as an amendment, in clause 3,
page 3, lines 35 and 36, to leave out the words " that the
said principal officer shall bo a barrister of at least five
years' standing," and insert instead thereof the following
words :- -" that any such principal officer hereafter to be
appointed shall be an attorney of one of the superior courts
of common law at Dublin of at least ten years' standing."
Sir J. YOUNG opposed the amendment. The bill had
been prepared under the superintendence of the heads of
the courts of Ireland, and their opinion was that the officer
in question should be a barrister, and that the second tax-
ing officer should be a solicitor ; by which system they
would get at once legal knowledge and the knowledge of
technicalities.
Mr. It. MOORE opposed the amendment:. It was not a
question which profession should be consulted; but how
best the public interests would be benefitted ; and this bill
was based on the proper principle. With respect to juris-
diction and salaries, however, he thought that the two offi-
cers ought to have been on a par.
Mr. FITZGERALD would support the amendment if it
left the office open to either professions. Ile had never
heard that the bar had too many offices. It was notorious
that the Irish bar was neglected by the Secretary to the
Colonies, and by the President of the India Board.
The amendment was withdrawn ; and
Mr. R. MOORE moved an amendment to the effect he
had suggested ; but he did not press it, but undertook to
bring it up at another stage.
A conversation then took place as to what the salary of
the second officer should be. The Secretary for Ireland
was disposed to make it 6001. a-year ; and after some dis-
pute the bill was recommitted for the purpose of deciding
the question. The result was that the salary of the first
officer was fixed at 1,0001., and that of the second at 6001.
The house then resumed.
CANTERBURY ELECTION.

On the motion of Mr. K. SEYMER, the issuing of the
writ for the Canterbury election was further postponed till
the Bth of July.
The house adjourned at eleven o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-JUNE 10.

( From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of
Commons. )
EXCISE DUTIES ON SPIRITS BILL.

Clause 1 (grant of additional duties of Excise on spirits in
Scotland and Ireland) :—Amendment proposed, in page
2, line 9, to leave out " and Ireland respectively." Ques-
tion put, " That the words proposed to be left out stand
part of the clause :"—The committee divided ; Ayes,
100, Noes, 38.

MAJORITY—AYES, 100.
A'Court, C. Basile, Alexander Palmer, R.
Baines, M T. Heathcoate, J. Peel, F.
Bell, James Herbert, Sidney Pellatt Apsley
Bethel], Richard Hervey, Lord Alfred Philllpps, J. li.
Biggs. William Heyworth, Lawrence Phillimore. J.
Brown, W. Ingham, Robert Phillimore, R. J.
Bruce, Lord E. Jerilyn, Earl Pilkington, J.
Bruce, H. A. Johnstone, James Price, Sir It.
Butler, Charles Keating H. Price, W.P.
Campbell, Sir Arch. Kershaw, James Pritchard, J.
Cavendish, C. C. Kinnaird, A. F. Pugh, D.
Chambers, M. Kirk, William Rice, E.
Chambers, T. Laffan, It. M. Russell, Lord J.
Charteris, F. Langton, H. G. Russell, F. C.
Cheetham, John Laslett, W. Sawle, C. B. G.
Cockburn. Sir Alex. Layard, A. H. Scobell, Capt.
Collin, W. Lee, W. ,ilcrope, G. P.
Collier, Robert P. Lowe, Robert Smollett, A.
Cowper, W. Luce, Thomas Strutt,E.
Craudird, E. H. J. Mackie, John Stuart, Lord D.
Crossley, F. M`Cann, James Tonere], U. W.
Cubitt, Mr. Ald. Macgregor, John Thompson(, Beorge
Dalrymple, V isc. M'Teggart, Sir J. Thornely, T.
Davie, Sir H. Massey, W. Villiers, Rt. Ifd, C.
Drumianrig, Viscount Maule, Colonel Walmaley, Sir .r:
Duncan, G. Miall, E. Wilkinson, W.
Dundas G. Milligan, R. Wilson, J.
East, Sir J. Mills, T. Winningten, Sir T. E
Fitzgerald, W. R. S. Milner, W. M. E. Wood, Sir C.
Fitzroy, Henry Michell, W. Young, Sir J.
Fox, W. J. Molesworth, Sir W.
Clutch, Charles Moncreiff, James TELLERS.
Gladstone, William Mouse% William
Goodman, Sir G. 3lttlArave, Earl Hayter, Hon. W.
Graham, Sir James Osborne, Ralph Berkeley, Granville