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LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 22, 1854

liVIPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

not aware that any person over whom the Gov rnment
had authority was in possession of a short-hand report of
the proceedings. Ho could have no objection, if that would
answer his noble friend's purpose, to a motion for the pro-
duction of the coroner's notes.

that was a public matter. The committee might consider
' the case of a very hospitable man who made himself be-
loved by a district for his benevolence. Constituents might
desire to honour such a man with their confidence. Surely
the benevolence of. that individual could not be mistaken
for an incurring of expenses for corrupt motives, although
this clause were to pass. When these various cases were
met fairly, there was really no mystification or difficulty
in the matter. If the committee had been guilty of any
fault it was listening too much to the objections which had
been made to the bill. (Hear.) It was perfectly evident
that it was beyond the power of language to meet every
possible case which might arise, and do what you would
the imagination of some hon. members—(hear)—would
frame combinations to which no set of words would pre-
cisely apply. The endeavour of the legislature should be
to frame a general rule in the spirit of justice, and believ-
ing that this clause was in accordance with that spirit—
(hear)—he was prepared to give it his vote. (Hear.)
Mr. HENLEY said the committee should bear in mind
the difficulty in which members would be placed with re-
gard to the proposed declaration if this clause were carried,
tor upon its construction his hon. and learned friend (Sir
F. Kelly) and the hon. and learned Attorney-General, two
of the highest men in the profession, appeared to entertain
totally opposite opinions as to its effect. He really thought
the committee were muddling their time away upon a
measure which would end in nothing. (Hear, hear,
and laughter.)
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thoughtthat there would
not be such difficulty as to the declaration as some hon.
gentlemen imagined, if the words " private purposes" were
omitted from the clause.
Sir J. PAKINGTON had no desire to make difficulties,
but they had been forced upon the committee, more espe-
cially by the Attorney-General. That learned gentleman
commenced by opposing this proviso, but now he accepted
it. Ile was sorry to hear the imputation thrown out by
the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) of an' unwillingness to
check bribery. During the progress of this bill an earnest
desire had been evinced to suppress the evil; but there
were other thing?; to be kept in view, and if the Attorney-
General's interpretation was to be accepted, he (Sir J.
Pakington) could not assent to the clause.

HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY.)

The house met at 5 o'clock.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the first read-
ing of a bill for the repeal of the usury laws. Agreed to.
The bill was ordered to be read a second time on
Monday next.

ROOTEL
Mr. SPOONER asked w Yhether the report of the com-
mission appointed to inquire into the College of Maynooth
would be presented before the end of the session, and if
so, whether it would be printed and circulated during the
recess ?
Lord J. RUSSELL would make inquiry, and give an
answer on Monday.

- BILL.
The order of the dayBRIBERY for the consideration of this bill, as
amended, having been read,
91r. LIDDELL moved to substitute the following clause
for clause A section X disqualifying paid agents from
voting :—"lf any person shall, either during any election of
a member to serve in Parliament, or within six calendar
months previous to such election, or within fourteen days
after it shall have been completed, be employed at such
election as counsel, agent, attorney, poll-clerk, flagman, or
in any other capacity, for the purposes of such election,
and shall at any time, either before, during, or after such
election, accept or take from any such candidate or candi-
dates, or from any person whatsoever, for or in considera-
tion of or with reference to such employment, any sum or
sums of money, retaining fee, office, place, or employment,
or any promise or security for any sum or sums of money,
retaining fee, office, place, or employment, such person
shall be deemed incapable of voting at such election, and
his vote, if given, shall be utterly void and nf none effect,
and shall render him liable to forfeit the' enm of fifty
pounds to any person who shall sue for the eiatne, together
with full costs of suit."
Sir F. KELLY suggested that those amendments about
which there was but little difference of opinion should be
taken without discussion, and that afterwards thny should
proceed with those questions, now red:need, he believed, to
two—that relating to the payment of travelling expenses
and refreshments, respecting which he should hereafter
have to propose a clause, and that of which his noble
friend (Lord Vane-Tempest) had given notice as to the de-
claration to be made by the proposer and seconder of the
candidates. He hoped his hon. friend's (Mr. Liddell's)
clause would be received by the house.
The house then went into committee, and the clauses
were gone through.
On clause 10,
Sir F. KELLY said that as by this clause payments for
"cockades" were made illegal, he proposed to add words
making all payments for chairing, bands of music, and
banners illegal also.
Mr. NEWDEGATE objected to elections being con-
ducted like funerals, though he was no advocate for extra-
vagance.

Mr. J. FITZGERALD said the conflicting opinions
which he had heard that evening had somewhat shaken his
previous view. He thought there WllB too much cookery,
too much of an endeavour to legislate minutely, and it
was this which had created all the difficulty. (Hear.) He
did not atilt approve of the proviso, and he should have
conceived it to be entirely unnecessary but for the decla-
ration of the Attorney-General that in his opinion
" election expenses" would include registration expenses.
Sir F. KELLY thought the committee should now pro-
ceed to determine whether the clause was to be retained or
not. It was only an express declaration of what he con-
ceived to be the law already. As regarded subscriptions
to charities, the only question was whether they were
bona, fide. Re had no objection to the omission of the
words " or private."

kr. V. SMITH asked what would be the effect of the
words "illegal payments ?"
Sir F. KELLY—The effect would be that the candidate
could not be called to pay for such things as chairing,
music, or banners.

Mr. IRTON and Lord F/OTHAU opposed the amendment.
Lord J. RUSSEL said he did not think the amendment
necessary, but as large sums might be paid for chairing,
bands, and banners he had no objection to vote for it.
After a few words from several hon. members,
The committee divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment
Against it 57-49
The amendment was accordingly agreed to, as were also
clauses 11 and 12.

Mr. V. SMITH contended that the proviso opened a
large door to bribery.
Lord J. RUSSELL wished to explain. In his opinion
the majority of the house had throughout the discussion
shown itself very desirous to put down bribery ; but he
certainly thought there were some members who had made
so much difficulty that if there were no laws against bri-
bery it would perhaps be difficult to get them to assent to
the passing of any. (Cries of " name.")
Lord SEYMOUR said it appeared to him that the whole
force of the declaration depended in great measure on the
proviso. (Hear, hear.) The leader of that house had told
hon. members that they wanted to know too minutely what
they were to declare. It appeared to him that when the's,
were called upon to make a solemn declaration they 'could
not be too minute in asking what was the sense in which
they were expected to make it. (Hear, hear.) It was, he
thought, very unfitting in the noble lord, when a solemn
declaration was to be made, to turn round and say " Don't
be too particular in inquiring what the words mean."
(Hear, hear.) He would put this case to the hon, and
learned member for Suffolk :—Supposing a gentleman who
was a member for a town, having no local connexion with
it, subscribed 1,0001. to a library:in that town, would that
case come within the proviso ?

On clause 13,
Mr. VERNON objected to the provision which the
clause made for prosecuting the minor offences under the
bill in the County Court, and therefore, he moved an
amendment with a view of enacting that the minor as
well as the major offences under the bill, should be carried
to the superior courts. (Hear.)
After a brief discussion the amendment was agreed to
without a division, and the clause so amended was ordered
to be added to the bill.

Clause 14 was agreed to, as was also clause 15.
Sir F. KELLY moved to omit clause 16, expressing his
intention afterwards to bring up a clause respecting the
period at which the election officer should be appointed.
The clauso was struck out.
On clause 17,

Sir F. KELLY said he had not the least difficulty in
answering the question. Such a subscription would be
perfectly legal. So also would be a subscription towards
the building of a church, or for any similar purpose.
The committee divided—
For he prOyiSCI,
Against it

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said Lord J. Rnssoil had stated
that he should oppose any issue of writs to the five sus-
pended boroughs, Canterbury, Cambridge, Alaldon, Hull,
and Barnstaple, if this bill were not carried. If it were
carried, the election officers ought to be appointed before
the elections for those boroughs took place.
Mr. V. SCULLY said he should propose at the proper
time, that the election officer be appointed by the County
Court judge.
The clause was then agreed to.
On clause 24, which provides that the consent of the
election officer should be given for the compounding of an
action,
Sir F. KELLY proposed to add words, providing that
in case any payment shall have been illegally made by the
candidate through inadvertence, it shall be lawful for the
judge before whom the action is tried to reduce the penalty
to 40s.

Lord J. RUSSELL assented to this amendment, and
The worth were struck oui, accordingly.
Mr. V. SCULLY proposed the addition of the words
" and in either case the party recovering shall have ft4l
costs of suit."
Mr. IN-011AM proteste&Lagabot ills proposal, on 'the
ground that it might encourage malici4us suits.
Sir F. KELLY said that the words proposed by Mr.
Scully were quito supbrfluous, because a verdict of 40s.
al wayscarried costs.

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Mr. SCULLY retorted that the hon. and learned mem-
ber had been guilty of the same superfluity in more than
one of his own clauses, but he (Mr. Scully) would with-
draw the words.

Mr. ELLIOT appealed to Sir F. Kelly to give tho judge
the liberty of dispensing with the find altogether if he saw
fit.

Sir F. KELLY insisted on the necessity of the fine. If
words were inserted, empowering the judge to refuse the
plaintiff his costs if he saw reason to do so, there would be
little danger of persons harassing innocent men.
Mr. HILDYARD indignantly protested against the in-
adequacy of the proviso to protect persons from the effects
of actions brought by men of straw, and declared that the
clauses of the bill might, and in times of party excitement
probably would, be made the means of inflicting serious
injury on a political opponent. He besought the house to
pause in its insensate career. (Laughter.)
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the hon. gen-
tleman really intimidated him a little. (Laughter.) What
the house wanted to inculcate by the bill was that pay-
ments should only be made in a particular manner ; and,
therefore, although they would do quite right to reduce
the penalty in cases where there had been no corrupt in-
tention, yet they ought not to let persons go quite scot
free fur acts which were a clear infraction of the law.
(1-ISeiar, F KELLYr,h.ear) promised, at the bringing
up of the re-
port, to propose a clause empowering the judge to call on
parties bringing actions to
give securities for the costs.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that such a course
would meet with his entire approval. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. GE ACFI did not think the bill would
prevent bri-
bery, but would only lead to innumerable actions, a large
proportion of which would be compromised.
Words were then inserted empowering the judge to re-
fuse the plaintiff his costs, as had been suggested.
Sir F. KELLY said the following; proviso bad also been
proposed :—" Provided also, and be it declared and en-
acted, that no expenses of or relating to the registration
of electors, and no subscriptions or contributions bona fide
made to or for any public, or private, or charitable pur-
pose, shall be deemed election expenses within the mean-
ing of this act." He had no objection to the proviso.
Tho ATTORNEY-GENERAL opposed the proviso on
the ground that it would open a wide door for bribery.
Sir J. PAKINGTON contended that it would be most
unjust to include charitable subscriptions as election ex-
penses._

Mr. LIDDELL and Mr. HARCOURT supported the pro-
viso.

RA.l.hLielslaid the prov .
The ATTORNEY-GENE
include certain contributions %
election, but, at the same time,iso might
tration expenses, it was certain that n
most widespread bribery.
time the reg
it had no reference to the
meer)opened a door to th
contribution to such expenses but „miotaandidatet
hismaeelLeney.
As regarded
madeh
The introduction of the word " 'o give
private' would
• view
the proviso a most injurious operation.
Sir F. KELLY would not Say that . .
corruption might
not be practised under the head of registration expenses—
but in general they were not borne by the candidates so
all, but were defrayed from a special fund. The registra-
tion expenses were annually incurred, and as an election
might only happen at the end of fiv.3
37ears candidates
penses were entered into. (Haar-) Re had meant to in-
itistration ex-
troduce the word " reasonable h
might not even be known at the
Le amendment, but
had been omitted by a clerical error.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL would accept the amend-
ment as amended, but must insist on the omission of the
words " or private."
Mr. GEACH said, an unfortunate fellow, a constituent
of his, had called upon him the other day it, great distress,
and he had relieved him. It was quite true he should not
have succoured the man, but because he was an elector for
Coventry, and because he (Mr. Geach) Was
member for
Coventry. (Cheers and laughter.) Had this clause passed
he must have put the poor fellow out of doors. (Hear,
hear.) These restrictions rendered the bill a perfect ab-
surdity ; and he hoped it would never pass.
(Cheers.)
Mr. HEADLAM .asked if reasonable expenses were to
be held not to be election expenses, while unreasonable
expenses were so considered. Was a reasonable contribu-
tion to a race or a cricket club an election expense ?
(Cheers.) By specifying different kinds of expenses, they
would only increase the uncertainty.
Mr. V. SMITH condemned the pedantic purity into
which the house was falling. The Attorney-General pro-
posed to get over objections by introducing the word " rea-
sonable." Why, what was reasonable? A thing Which
was reasonable for one man might not be so for another.
111 all depended upon a man's income. (Hear, hear.) The
whole thing was absurd. (Hear.)
Mr. HILDYARD said the fact was the house Was
at-
tempting
too much. Like the boy in A , sop, they
were
putting their hand into a narrow-necked jar to get at the
filberts, and they would find that they could not withdraw
it without dropping the nuts. (Hear, and laughter.)
He thought that this bill ought not to be pressed forward
this session ; enough had been done by the discussion which
had taken place.
Lord J. RUSSELL thought that the difficulty in this
clause arose not so Ditch out of its being an endeavour to
put an end to bribery, as out of the attempts made by
bon. members to define what was not bribery. Happily,
there were laws against bribery already existing, for if
there were not, ho should not bo very sanguine that the
members of that house would, in their present temper,
consent to put a penalty on bribery at all. (Hear, and
cheers.) However, the law already proscribed bribery, and
iu some respects the present bill was less
.severe than the
existing law. The difficulty which the committee appeared
to feel arose from hon. gentlemen raising a vast variety of
supposed cases, which might just as well arise under tho
existing law. The clause certainly would not fail from at-
tempting to press too severely; the only possible objection
would be to its attempting to define too closely. But it
was quite evident that some of the eases which had been
Put, such, for instance, as that of relieving a man in deep
distresa, were mere acts of private charity, quite without
the spirit of the clause. So is the ago of late( to races,

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CUSTOMS ACTS.
The house went into committee on these acts.
Mr. WILSON stated that the resolutions to be proposed
referred to the hop duty.
Mr. M. SMITH objected to the question being enter-
tained at so late an hour.
Mr. FREWEN moved that the chairman should report
proggress.
A division was called for, on which Mr. Wilson con-
sented to withdraw the resolutions, and the house re-
sumed.

MILITIA (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
DUCHY OF CORNWALL OFFICE BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
METROPOLITAN SEWERS BILL.
On the motion for going into committee ou this bill,
Lord PALMERSTON stated that the bill would give
the power of taking better securities for the money to be
raised, and would also include outlying districts, power
being given to the inhabitants of those districts to elect
their own commissioners.
The bill then passed through connuitttee.
HIGHWAYS (PUBLIC HEALTH ACT) BILL.
The bill passed through committee.
CHANCERY AMENDMENT BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT SECURITIES BILL.
On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Mr. T. HANKEY said the bill was one which would
give rise to considerable discussion, and he objected to its
being proceeded with at that hour.
Lord PALMERSTON said there was no necessity for
discussion on this bill in committee. It would be entirely
contrary to the law, as it existed, to advance money to au
enemy with whom we were at war ; and such an act would
carry its own reprobation with it.. The measure would be
a great moral demonstration. (Hear.) •
Mr. M.*GIBSON wished to hear the views of Mr. Wil-
son this bill. (Hear.) Th 4 house was entitled to some
explanation of its provisions.
Lord D. STUART said that the contractors of a loan
with Russia would, by the existing law, be guilty of high
treason ; but they might sell their scrip, and therefore the
bill proposed to render this illegal. By closing our mar-
ket to such a loan, Russia would not be able to borrow
money. He thought this bill would have commended it-
self to the peace party, for it was a mode of combating
Russia which was entirely bloodless. (Hear.)
Mr. WILSON doubted the possibility of "crumpling
up" Russia by such a measure as the one proposed. The
English capitalists might buy stock of an anterior date to
that which was contemplated by this bill, and consequent-
ly the measure would have no force. It would also lead
capitalists in Holland and elsewhere to buy the stock which
was interdicted here. He thought such a measure as the
one proposed was calculated to bring a legislative assembly
into contempt.
Mr. I. BUTT deprecated a discussion on the bill at-that
hour.

Mr. BRIGHT expressed his belief that the bill would
be perfectly useless, or would only operate to the injury of
our own merchants. As there was a difference between
the Howe Secretary and the secretary for the Treasury on
this bill, he would suggest that the Government should
have a conference before the bill was proceeded with. He
thought it nothing more than a piece of claptrap, and he
therefore should oppose the motion for going into commit-
tee upon it.
Mr. HENLEY fully concurred with the hon. gentleman
in thinking this measure "moonshine." (Laughter.) if
the question was to be dealt with at all, it should be
touched by the Government.
Mr. CAIRNS hoped, after what had passed, that this
bill would not be proceeded with.
Mr. M. CHAMBERS would suggest that the bill should
be postponed. He (Mr. Chambers) had put his name on
the bill, and he hoped on a fit occasion to be able to justify
that step. He considered the measure neither claptrap nor
moonshine.
Lord D. STUART had no objection to postpone this
bill, and the debate adjourned accordingly until Monday
next.

BLEACHING, &0., WORKS BILL. ..
-Upon the order of the day or the second reading of this
bill,

Mr. BRIGHT decidedly objected to this bill, which had
only lately come from the lords, being proceeded with. Ho
should advise the hon. member who had charge of the
measure (Mr. I. Butt) to refer it to a select committee.
Mr. BUTT could not take the course suggested by the
hon. gentleman without consulting others. lie only pro-
posed now to postpone the matter till Monday.
Agreed to.

The house adjourned at ten minutes past two.

THE WAR.

NAVAL AND MILITARY INTELLIGENCE.
A letter from Baltschik, dated July 9, gives the follow-
in particulars respecting the Black Sea fleets :
"At Anchor—The Britannia (flag), Agamemnon (flag),
Queen, Trafalgar, Albion, Vengeance, Bellerophon, Lon-
don, Rodney, Retribution, Sidon, Tribune, Diamond, and
Caradoc.
" At Varna—Sanspareil, Simoom, and Spitfire.
" There 12 French line-of-battle ships and some steamers
at Baltschik, and 2 French liners and steamers at Varna.
"The Admiral (Dundas) is very liberal in granting leave
111-the officers to visit Varna, which they are enabled to do
in men of war steamers, which tire constantly running be-
tallen the two places. The squadron of steamers sent to
reconnoitre off Sebastopol is hourly expected in.
" Lord Raglan made an application to the Admiral for
the services of some seamen, whom he deemed would prove
very useful to him when he approached the Danube. This
very soon transpired in the fleet, and the scenes of excite-
ment that took place baffle description ; petty officers came
forward begging to be disrated toable-seamen, and offering
to forfeit all their petty officer's servitude if their respective
captains would only send them on this service. No other
arrangement could be come to than that of drawing lots.
The command of the little party was given to Lieutenant
Henay C. Glvn and Prince Ernest of Leiningen, both of the
Britannia (tile latter a midshipman). They started over-
land for Varna on the 7th.
" Admirals Dundas and Lyons went to Varna on the sth
in the Retribution, and returned in the evening. While
there they saw a review of 45,000 French soldiers.
" Commander Randolph, of the Rodney, has gone on •
leave to Malta, owing to severe domestic affliction.
" The Fury arrived at Baltschik on the evening of the
Bth from Constantinople with Russian prisoners on board.
She started immediately afterwards for Odessa to exchange
them for the Tiger's.
" An eineute occurred on board the Britannia a few days
ago, which was speedily arrested by the energetic conduct
of Commander Willes. It arose as follows :—He ordered
the crew to muster with their bags in order to ascertain
what clothing they required previous to the issue of slops,
that he might thus put a check upon the common practice
of selling the cloth they draw from the paymaster. This
being an innovation upon the routine that prevailed in the
ship, they declined complying with his order, and con-
ducted themselves otherwise in a mutinous manner, when
Commander Willes immediately arrested ten of the ring-
leaders, and thus restored order. The Admiral addressed
a memorandum to Captain Carter, which was read to the
crew, in which he stated that the officers of his flagship
had been selected from gentlemen of the highest profcs
sional character, and intimating his intention to support
them under any and every circumstance. Five of the ten
men were sentenced to receive 36 lashes each, and one was
discharged with disgrace from the service."
Rear-Admiral M. F. F. Berkeley, C.B. First Naval
Lord of the Admiralty, Captain Sir Baldwin W. Walker,
K.C.8., surveyor of the navy, and Mr. Isaac Watts,
assistant-surveyor of the navy, visited Woolwich dock-
yard to-day, and the Arrow, the most advanced of the
gun-boats for the Baltic, having been taken into dock,
was minutely inspected by the rear-admiral, and the
surveyor and assistant-surveyor of the navy. The Arrow
is built entirely of wood, and her masts, which are now
put in, have a very light appearance. She has been
commissioned by Lieutenant-Commander Jolliffe, of the
Myrmidon steam-vessel, and the crew of that vessel
having been turned over to her, it is expected the will
be ready for trial in about ten days.
The Royal Albert, 131, guns, screw steam-ship, Com-
mander Alexander Little.—Mr. Frederick J. Taplin,
assistant-engineer of the second class, late of her Ma-
jesty's steam-sloop Fury in the Black Sea, has taken up
his commission and joined this ship.
Exmouth, 91, screw, recently launobed at Devonport,
was taken into the new dock at that yard, on Thursday,
to be coppered ; in fact, this was the opening of the
dock, the Exmouth being the first ship taken into it.
This new dock has been built on the site of the old and
first Royal dock, built in this yard in the reign of Wii-
liam 111. It is so capacious that the Exmouth—to use
a familiar nautical comparison—looks like a jolly-boat in
it. On the ship being clean into dock three-times-threearteeifin
hearty cheers were given by the officers and
tide,
which
The above operation was performed at neap
is something new at Dovonport.
Capt. Stopford, will be towed into
the
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favourably Colossu s ,
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topgallants yesterday.
pBr res scsrienw;
Wellesley, 72, ordinary guard-ship at Chatham, Corn.
modoreSuperintendent Wyvill, has been put out of
dock there, and taken to the moorings formerly occupied
by the Boscawan.
The Indefatigable, 50, frigate, was taken from Ply-
mouth yard to her sailing moorings yesterday.
Castor, 36, has been taken into dock at Chatham to
make good defects, and to be brought forward for service
at sea.

--Malacca, 17, screw, Capt. A. Farquhar, at Chatham,
will be completed both in the shipwright and engineer
department by the middle of next week.
Harrier, 17, screw, hauled into the steam basin dock
at Portsmouth, yesterday morning, to complete her
lower scuttles and steam-valves.
Dasher, 4, paddle, Captain Lefebre, arrived yesterday
morning at Portsmouth, from Calais, having been em-
ployed for superintending the embarking of the French
army for the Baltic. She will coal, and is expected to
proceed to Alderney, where it is likely the Queen may
pay a short visit in the yacht Victoria and Albert.
Spy, 3, brigantine, Lieut. Commander the Hon. C.
Boyle, is completed by the dockyard at Chatham,
except trifling jobs connected with the rigging, &c.
Comet returned into Portsmouth Harbour yesterday
morning from Calais.
Sealark, Lieut. Commander Fenwick, bent sails at
Portsmouth yesterday, and will be ready to go on her
instruction cruise next week.
The Avon steamer arrived on Wednesday in Queens-_
town, from Southampton, for the conveyance of the 63 d
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