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HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.
Fisher's Divorce Bill passed through committee.
The report on Cutbill's Divorce Bill was received and
agreed to.
The Earl of EGLINTON presented a petition from
a place in Scotland against the grant to Maynooth.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented peti-
tions from the Society for the Propagation of the Gospel,
and from Melbourne, against the continuance of the
transportation system.

BURGHS (SCOTLAND) BILL.
Lord PANMURE moved the second reading of this
bill, which he said was to remedy certain defects in the
mode of election to Town Councils in Scotland. Accord-
ing to the present law, an error in the election of any
member of a Scotch Town Council could only be reme-
died by warrant under the royal sign manual, and the
object of this bill was to enable the necessary proceed-
ings to be taken on application to the Court of Session.
The bill was then read a second time.
CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL.
The LORD CHANCELLOR moved the second read-
ing of this bill, the object of which, he explained, would
reform the jurisdiction and management of charitable
trusts. Within the course of the present century, seve-
ral commissions had been issued to inquire into the sub-
ject, and no less than 32 reports had been presented,
extending over 38 closely printed folios. Several bills
had been introduced into this house on the subject,
by Lord Lyndhurst, Lord Cottenham, and Lord Truro,
but none had passed into law. It now became the
duty of the present Government to take up the subject
again ; and in doing so, they claimed very little merit
for originality, but it had been necessary to make some
changes. The judicial machinery proposed by the for-
mer bill consisted as to charities under 801. a year of the
County Courts—from 301. to 1001. of Masters in Chan-
cery—and above 1001. the Court of Chancery. The
Masters in Chancery was a tribunal which had been
abolished. The superintending board had consisted of
two or throe paid, and two or three unpaid members ;
but it becoming necessary to make a change in the con-
stitution of the judicial tribunal, the goverment had
taken into its consideration whether an important and
useful change might not be made also in the constitution
of the board. The duties of the board would be to pre-
serve a general superintendence over all the charities in
the kingdom without any expense. It would be made
imperative on the trustees of all charities to keep regular
accounts of all receipts and expenditures, great or small,
and annually to deposit a copy with the clerk of the
County Court, and transmit another copy to the board
in London, where it would always be accessible to all
parties. He believed that would have a most material
effect towards correcting a great deal of abuse. Nine-
tenths of the abuses were the result of ignorance, and
not intended fraud, and when accounts were regularly
called for, and the attention of competent parties di-
rected to them, who could point out errors, the present
abuses would soon be corrected. (Hear, hear.) But the
board would also be called on to perform another

function, which would be very useful; and was, be be
lieved, recommended by the commission. It often hap
pened that trustees who were perfectly honest did not
know what course they ought to take ; and it was
proposed that they should be at liberty—the secre-
tary communicating with the board—to ask their ad-
vice. The board might direct them what to do, and
should indemnify them until they were corrected by
a judicial tribunal. He did not say that course
would be free from difficulty, but it would be an
approximation to a better system. There was, then
another function which the board would have to ex-
ercise' and one of the greatest importance. It was pro-
posed that they should have the power of taking legal
proceedings to be instituted, and, what was perhaps of
not less importance, of forbidding them from being insti-
tuted. Gross abuses had arisen from the instituting of
proceedings, and it would not be a new thing that such
proceedings should be under the control of a Govern-
ment board. At present there was no machinery for
ascertaining whether the object of proceedings was of a
legitimate character, or whether they were instituted at
the instance of some low professional man, with a view
to obtain large costs. (Hear, hear.) It was proposed,
therefore, that the board should have the control over
all legal proceedings, and that none should be instituted
without their sanction. In ordinary cases charitable
trustees had the power of dealing with trusts as indivi-
duals. It might be found extremely important to a cha-
rity to build or take down a house, to cut timber, to ex-
change, or sometimes, perhaps, even to sell land ; but
there was no power in the trustees to do these things.
The result was that, if the case was that of a large
charity, they applied to Parliament at a large expense,
never, he believed, under 600!., for a bill to enable them
to do that which would benefit everybody. It was pro-
posed, therefore, that in all these cases power should
be given to the board to authorise the trustees to do
what in ordinary cases they could not do ; and as most
of these powers hai been proposed in the bill of 1851,
he did not anticipate there would be any real differ-
ence of opinion amongst their lordships. (Hear, hear.;
Her Majesty's government, then, looking at the ques
tion merely in an economical point of view, and at the
probable beneficial results to the community, had thought
that the expense, which could not be more than 5,0001.
to 10,0001. should be borne by the country. (Hear,
hear.) Objections had been urged against sending bar.
risters into the country to exercise arbitrary and inquisi
torial functions. No doubt that was a difficulty, but
wo living in a world surrounded by difficulties ; and the
good that would probably accrue would far overbalance
any objections of that kind, especially as the inquiries
were such as it was absolutely necessary should be made.
Besides, in the bill of Lord Lyndhurst there was a pre-
cisely similar proposition, except that the barristers
were called inspectors instead of commissioners. He
came now to the judicial tribunal to be employed in
these cases. He proposed that in cases under 301. they
should be referred to the judges of the county courts.
He was not without apprehension that they would not
at first discharge the duty in all cases quite satisfactorily.
In the former bill it was proposed that all cases between
30/. and 100/. should be referred to the Masters in
Chancery. He proposed, however, that the schemes
arranged by the judges of the county courts, and the
appointment of trustees by them, should always be
publicly advertised ; and that no scheme should come
into operation until it had received the sanction of the
board. With these safeguards they need not apprehend
that his plan would give rise to any material inconve-
nience. He also proposed that funds might be trans-
ferred, where necessary, to official trustees, and that all
the accounts should be transmitted to the board. These
were the principal features of the bill, which he should
be happy to submit to a select committee, if thought
desirable, and he trusted, therefore, that their lordships
would have no objection to the second reading. (Hear,
hear.)
The Duke of CLEVELAND considered the bill an
improvement on last year.
The Earl of CHICHESTER thanked the noble and
learned lord for bringing in the measure, and he thought
that to confer the extensive powers proposed to be given
to the commissioners would be an act of prudence.
Lord BROUGHAM applauded the bill, and observed
that it was impossible to traverse the country in any
direction without meeting with monuments to the labours
of the commissions and Parliamentary committees which
had sat upon this question. Those labours had not only
acted directly on the 400 and odd charities to which
they referred, but indirectly upon a vast number of
other cases, where the very apprehension of inquiry had
produced reform. He believed that in a majority of in-
stances the trustees had not been guilty of wilful abuse or
malversation of the funds, but the evils complained of
had arisen from negligence, from ignorance, and from
carelessness.
Lord ST. LEONARDS did not oppose the second
reading ; but there were various points in the bill to
which he should hesitate long before he gave his con-
sent.
Lord BROUGHAM (who in the interim had been
holding a conversation with a gentleman at the bar of
the house) said that nothing could equal the powers of
imagination possessed by the noble and learned lord.
(Laughter.) He (Lord Brougham) had consulted a
member of the commission, who had reminded him of
an arrangement that he (Lord Brougham) and Lord St.
Leonards should attend in turns, and his (the commis-
sioner's) impression was that he (Lord Brougham) had
attended the oftener of the two.
Earl TALBOT observed that he knew of a charity
which had been put to an expense of near 2001. to ap-
point a new trustee. He hoped the noble and learned
lord would make provision to prevent charities being put
to such an expense.
The bill was then read a second time.
CATHEDRAL APPOINTMENTS BILL.
Earl GRANVILLE moved the second reading of this
bill.
The Bishop of SALISBURY said he wished to state
the grounds on which he gave his assent to the second
reading of this bill. He looked upon it as the means of
effecting wise and effectual reforms in our cathedral esta-
blishments. That was an object which he had long and
earnestly desired to see brought to pass, and he should
not therefore wish to offer any opposition to a measure
having that object ; but in reference to cathedral esta-
blishments, he wished to guard himself by saying that
the supposition that they were seats of corruption on
the one hand, or, on the other hand, in possession of
great wealth, was altogether unfounded. They ere
the mere dying off remnants of a bygone system, th
evils of which were guarded against prospectively by
enactments. Pluralities were absolutely abolished, and
even residence connected with pluralities would neces-
sarily come to an end ; and so far from these establish-
ments being possessed of those large revenues which
many supposed them to possess, the act which had been
passed in relation to them, when it came fully into
the opeir
-
ration, would take from them so large a portion of
revenue, that the remnant would hardly be sufficient for
the efficient discharge of those duties, which he was sure
they would wish to see carried into effect more efficiently
than they were. He fully agreed that these institutions
stood in need of a great measure of reform.
The motion for the second reading was then agreed to.
SHERIFF AND COMMISSARY COURTS
(BERWICKSHIRE) BILL.
On the motion of Lord PANMURE, the bill was read
a second time.
LUNATICS' CARE AND TREATMENT BILL.
Lord St. LEONARDS said this bill would make ex-
tensive alterations with regard to the administration of
the estates of lunatics. The expenses were proposed to
be raised almost wholly by a graduated scale, according
to the amount of the property to be administered. In-
stead of separate commissions of lunacy, there would be
a general commission, which would save great expense.
In some cases p, jury would be required, but in others,

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LLOYD'S SHIPPMG-(THIS DAY.)

LONDON, May 4.—Wind this day at Noon, E.; light
airs, and dull hazy weather.
DEAL, May 3.—Arrived from the River—Rokeby, for
Quebec ; Rubicon, Bombay. Arrived from- the River,
and sailed—Tyne, for Melbourne.
COWES, May 3.—Wind, S.W. Arrived—Adepheid,
Callao; Elbe, do.
PORTSMOUTH, May 3.—Wind, S. to S.S.W. Sailed—
Moslem, Calcutta, and brought up in St. Helen's Bay ;
Jeannetta, Ceylon, and brought up at the Netherlands.
SOUTHAMPTON, May 3.—Wind, N.W. Arrived—Ma-
drid (s), Gibraltar, &c.
FALMOUTH, May 3. Wind, variable, light airs. Arrived
—America, Rio Janeiro.
DARTMOUTH, May 3.—Wind, S.W. Arrived—Ma-
tilla, Swansea, for Southampton, leaky, and with bowsprit
sprung. Off Port—Menado, Batavia, for Rotterdam.
PLYMOUTH, May 3.—Wind, S., foggy. Arrived—Mes-
senger, Cardiff, for London ; Foylo Packet, Cardiff to
Harbury—both to stop leaks.
OFF PENZANCE, May 2.—Statesman, Port Philip.
ST. IVES, May 3.—The Ariel, of Elsfleth, with coals,
blew up, April 30 ; one man lost by the explosion.
DUNBAR, May 3.—The Thomas, of and from Arbroath,
ib on shore at Fast Castle Head ; crew saved.
BRIDLINGTON, May 4.—The Jeans and Margaret, St.
Valery to Newcastle, is on Flamborough Head, and likely
to be a wreck.
CROMER, May 4.—The Jean and Mary, of Sunderland,
has been put on shore with sft. water in her hold, having
been on a ledge of rocks ; it is feared she will become a

wreck.
LOWESTOFT?, May 4.---The Minerva, of Bartleur, struck
on Hasborough Sand, and sank in deep water ; crow
saved.
SUNDERLAND, May 3.—Wind, S.S.E. Sailed—Ex-
change, Quebec.
HOLYHEAD, May 3.—The Owen, of Port Madoc, is on
shore near Amlweh, and is likely to become a total wreck.
BELFAST, May 2.—Wind, S.W. Sailed—Elizabeth,
Melbourne ; Gilbert, New York.
BERBICE, April 6.—The Louisa, hence for London, was
destroyed by fire, off the bar, March 28 ; crew saved.
MADEIRA, April 26.—The Boadicea (British schooner),
for Naples, was abandoned in a sinking state, lat. 46,
long. 10 ; crew saved, and landed here by the Thames,
London, for Australia.

MARKET NEWS-(THIS DAY.)

CORN EXCHANGE.

To-day's market was chiefly supplied with Monday's
unsold samples, in very middling condition. For all kinds
of English wheat the demand was in a very inactive state,
at barely Monday's prices. For forward delivery next to
nothing was doing.
The show of foreign wheat was good ; all descriptions
commanded very little attention, and low parcels were
offering on easier terms. Floating cargoes were very dull.
Barley, the show of which was good, sold slowly, but
no further decline took place in prices.
We had a slow sale for malt on former terms.
Oats and flour were very dull. Beans and peas com-
manded previous rates.

ARRIVALS THIS WEIR.
Whoat. I Barley. I Malt.
1,160 1,110 ( 2,210

flats.
130
750
3,260

Flov-.
820

English ..
Irish .• • •
Foreign ..

2,310 1 2,980

BOROUGH HOP.
We have a very slow sale for all kinds of hops, at lasi
week's prices.

WHITECHAPEL.
The demand for each kind of meat at this market to-day
ruled steady. The following are the quotations :
Beef, 2s 6d to 3s 8d ; mutton, 3s 6d to 4s 6d; lamb, 4s 10d
to 6s 2d ; veal, 3s 6d t• 4s 6d; pork, 2810 d to s4d per Sibs
by the carcase.

TAUNTON ELECTION.—This election has resulted in
the return of the Liberal candidate by a much more
narrow majority than had been reasonably anticipated.
At the close of the poll the numbers were-373 for Sir
T. Ramsden (Liberal), and 366 for Mr. IL Padcock
(Conservative).
ROBBERY IN OXFORD-STREET. Yesterday mornin
--g
information was forwarded from the various police sta-
f oiss of an extensive burglary which was effected on the
premises of Mr. W. Burchett, two doors from Prince's-
street, Oxford-street, when property to the amount of
several hundred pounds was carried off, between the
hours of ten o'clock on Saturday night and seven o'clock
on Monday morning last. The upper part of the ad-
joining house is to let, and through it the thieves are
supposed to have effected an entrance. They then com-
menced packing up every valuable article, including 250
gold and silver watches, 200 gold guards, 700 rings, 60
gold bracelets, 200 gold brooches, besides studs, sleeve
links, watch brooches, shirt pins, and other descriptions
of property.
Pop GOES THB WETHER.—Not a little excitement
r win-
carpets, fightin.
unusual entrance of aa finee.
was created in the neighbourhood of St. George's-place,
Hyde-park-corner, this morning, by the precipitate and
through the plate glass front of Messrs. Rogers and
Dcaerapre,tsw,htearpeehster,ienso, doubt, found himself rather abroad
midst the mimic flowers and plants represented in the
wgrheicaht fue lis
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awl l yo fadaornsheetphe
dows of those fashionable upholsterers ;
ewe believe the
poor animal was impelled to this strang refuge by the
curs
attack of one of those troublesome which seem to
infest our streets more at this season than at any other.
ROYAL THAMES YACHT CLUB.--Yesterclay six yachts
of this club contended for two prizes of plate value re-
spectively 100 and 50 guineas. The distance was from
Erith to the Nore Light and back. The following ves-
sels started at a quarter to twelve with an easterly wind.
Of the first class Lordi Londesborough's Musquito,
50 tons ; Mr. Bartlett's War Hawk, 50 tons ; Mr.
Crania's Volante, 48 tons ; Mr.
C. Brandreth's Pauline,
35 tons. Of the second class
Mr. George Coope's
Thought, 25 tons ' Mr. S. Lane's Phantom, 25 tons.
The yachts arrived at the Nore Light in the following
Hours. Min. Sec.
order and time :--
Mosquito ..................... 3 26 12
3 Volante ....................... 3 41
50
45
Phantom ..................... 54
War Hawk ................... 4 4 40
Pauline: ........................ 4 9 8
The arrival at Erith was as follows :
Hours. Min. Sec.
Musquito (the winner) ..... 7 215 12
4 47
V01ante....................... 7
Phantom (winner 2d class) 7 46 12

where that could be safely done, the jury would be dis- the growth of chicory, to continue the duty of 4s. pe
pensed with. After there had been a finding by the cwt., and 41. per ton,upto Oct., 1854.
n 54.0 r
Thertpeanrectseietnoe
commission, power was given to dispense with a grant duty was entirely prohibitoryarti ;it had
l but was fixeclet na
from the crown, which had been always necessary for the the present value of the
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lunatic, and which led to great expense. That expense when the duty upon coffee vene, as9d. and ls. 3- d. a pound.m
would altogether in a great measure be put an end to. An- NOTICES OF MOTIONS.
committee that ot n o theinci
inquire
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other point was with regard to persons who were in fact not Mr.
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lunatics, but who were detained in asylums under old should
certificates. This bill would give
Mr. W. O. STANLEY gave the Lord Chancellor
power in such cases to require the persons detaining suchChurch of Ireland.
notice that on Friday
moveecclesiastical ll °r forae°vile revenues
n segeslaev oefet
thei lotice
alleged lunatics to furnish a general account of their con- next he should move an address to the Crown for a cone-
duct ; and this was a provision which, in more cases than mission to inquire into the corrupt practices at the
their lordships would he willing to conceive possible, Barnstaple election.
would at once show, if there was improper detention, Mr. HUTCHINSON gave notice that on the 31st
what was the cause of it ; the cause being, he believed, inst, he should move the appointment of a committee to
the conspiracy of other persons to obtain and enjoy those inquire into the cause of accidents in mines, with the
alleged lunatics' property. This bill, which might be view of taking precautions for their prevention in future.
regarded as another recommendation, would entirely do Mr. L. KING gave notice that, on the 31st instant,
away with the exceptional position hitherto occupied by
Bethlehem Hospital. (Hear, hear.) He was bound to li should move for a select committee to inquire into
say that the governors of that hospital had not shown all cases where election petitions had been withdrawn.
the slightest objection to this bill ; and the fair
which it was but just to state, was that they winference,erenobill for
l • it g the expense of the election of members of Tar-
nottiocebrtihnagt,inonaMonday
afraid of the light of day being thrown on that institu- 'nee! Ito ,in.. hc.
el should BERKELEY
mo v move fur
the
gavele leave
liamcnt, by prohibiting
tion, and that they were willing that it should visited, employment of bands or
and examined, and controlled and improved just like
other lunatic asylum in the country. This measureany emblems whatever at elections.
other music, and the use of flags, banners, and ,all other
would, therefore, as a whole, lie thought, give a new MINT IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA.
tone to the administration of lunacy, protect it from its Mr. HUME wished to ask the Under Secretary for
abuses, and give to lunatics every benefit and every care ' the Colonies, whether the staff and machinery for the
which justice and benevolence could suggest. (Hear, Branch Mint at Sydney had been sent there, or when
hear.) they would be dispatched ?
The LORD CHANCELLOR was understood to say Mr. F. PEEL said no part of the machinery had yet
that he would not run the chance, by offering any corn- been sent out to Sydney, but still no time had been lost
ments, of being supposed to dissent from any of the in the appointment of an officer to superintend the work.
views of the noble and learned lord ; and he would con- The selection of the Government had fallen upon Major
tent himself by saying that he believed the bill would Wall, who had been directed to put himself in commu-
effect very desirable amendments in the law. nication with Sir J. Herschel, for the purpose of making
The Earl of HARROWBY also pressed upon their all the arrangements necessary for the establishment of
lordships' attention the urgency that there was of a the mint. The expense was to be borne by the colony.
change in the law affecting criminal lunatics, and he DISPUTED PROPERTY.
hoped her Majesty's Government would take the subject Mr. C. BERKELEY wished to ask the Secretary of
into their consideration. the Treasury, whether he has received a memorial front
Lord ST. LEONARDS enforced what he had before Sarah Allen and Anna Maria Randall, which memorial
observed, by stating that in his visits to lunatic asylums was sent to him snore than four months ago ; and if he
he had often heard lunatics complain to him of their has received it, what is the reason why no notice what-
being thrown into the company of other lunatics con- ever has been taken of it ?
victed of crimes ; and there could be no doubt of their Mr. WILSON said the memorial which related to a
extreme aversion to such a system. It was a great mis- claim to some disputed property of a deceased person,
take to suppose that because a man had so far lost his was now under the consideration of the queen's Proctor
mind as to be in certain senses a lunatic, therefore he was and the Solicitor to the mint.
not deeply impressed with anything affecting moral con- VENTILATION OF THE HOUSE.
duct. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME complained of the bad ventilation of the
The report was then received ;as also were the reports house during the debate last night, and called upon the
on the Lunatic Asylums Bill and the report on the Lu- right hon. bart., the First Commissioner of Works, to
nacy Regulation Bill. Third readings fixed for Monday. take care that hon. members were not annoyed in the
LAND IMPROVEMENT (IRELAND) BILL. same way again.
Lord CANNING, having proposed that the discus- Sir W. MOLESWORTH said the heat was not occa-
sion on this bill should be postponed until the stage of sioned by the lights, but by the crowded state of the
the report, when he would bring up amendments, an ob- house.
jection was taken to the delay, and general objections Mr. BOUVERIE said he occupied the chair in cons-
were offered to the bill, by Lord Beaumont j but after a mittee last night for more than five hours, and he might
conversation between these noble lords, Lord Monteagle, therefore be pardoned for adding a word upon this sub-
Lord Wicklow, Lord Clanricarde, and Lord Dufferin, ject. It was only this morning that he had occasion to
the motion was agreed to ; and the bill having been put remark, that the temperatare of the house last night
in committee pro forma, was reported, and fixed for an was as natural as it was possible for the air of a room to
early third reading. be. (Hear, and a laugh.)
SOUTH SEA AND OTHER ANNUITIES CENSUS PAPERS.
COMMUTATION BILL. Mr. HUTT wished to ask the Secretary of State for
Earl GRANVILLE, in moving the third reading of the Home Department when the census papers of the
the bill, said that he would not carry out his intention at year 1851 are likely to be laid before Parliament.
that hour (8 o'clock), and in the then state of the house Lord PALMERSTON said he had reason to believe
(not ten peers were present), of making a statement of that the papers, which were of a detailed and compli-
the objects and scope of this bill ; but if a discussion cated character, would be ready immediately after the
should be entered on he would reserve to himself the Whitsuntide recess.
right of offering some comments in the way of a reply. INCOME TAX.
Their lordships were aware they could not make any Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that the Government
alterations in a bill of this kind sent up from the Coin- would propose to take the next stage on the income tax
mons, and therefore, he apprehended, a discussion was on Thursday next, and the motion of the lion. baronet
not desired ; and it might be the less desired as what had the member for the Tower Hamlets relating to Church
fallen on the previous evening from the noble and rates on Monday next.
learned lord (Lord St. Leonards) had suggested that a
LETTERS OF REFUGEES.
supplementary measure with regard to the funds of
suitors in Chancery might become necessary, and the Mr. PHINN wished to put a question to the noble
views of their lordships might then be expressed. lord at the head of the Home Department which he was
The Earl of DERBY put it to the noble earl if he was sure the noble lord would be glad to have an opportu-
taking a becoming course with this bill ? Not a word nity of answering. He wished to ask the noble lord
had been said on it since it had come up to their lord- whether any directions or instructions had been given,
ships' house, although many noble lords had been desir- or any warrant issued, by the Secretary of State for the
ous of expressing an early opinion of it • and he now put Home Department, authorising the Postmaster-General
it to the noble lord, whether, in the aen state of the to inspect or open letters addressed to foreign refugees.
house, it would be decent that evening to read the bill a (Hear.)
third time ? It might be that their lordships had no Lord PALMERSTON had no hesitation in say-
right to alter the bill, but really for it to be passed sub ing that no such instructions or orders had been
silcntio in this way would be to attach to their lordships' given as far as his knowledge extended. (Cheers.) No
house a character which he might say, without using letter addressed to any foreigner, or to the individual
disrespectful terms, the noble earl himself could not pos- which his hon. and learned friend must have had in his
sibly desire, eye (Kossuth), had ever been meddled with, nor had any
Earl GRANVILLE was only consulting public con- letters which were addressed to foreign refugees, as far as
venience, and, as he thought, their lordships' wishes. he was aware of. (Hear, hear.) Certainly no such in.
Great public inconvenience would be caused by delaying structions had been given since he had been in office,
the passing of a bill of this kind ; and if it was wished, while he had no reason to believe that any were given
he would go into a statement then, at once. by his predecessor. (Cheers.)
The Marquis of SALISBURY suggested a delay un- COUNTY FRANCHISE.
til to-morrow (this day.) Mr. L. KING moved for leave to bring in a bill to
Lord REDESDALE.—Ah, but we don't sit on Wed- make the franchise in counties in England and Wales
nesdays. (Hear, hear.) the same as in boroughs, by giving the right of voting
The Earl of DERBY thought that if there was to be to all occupiers of tenements of the annual value of ten
a supplementary measure, they ought to discuss the pounds. lie rejoiced that he brought forward the bill
matter, so as to see what should be the character of that under the auspices of a government of progress, who
measure. At all events, the House of Lords ought to had, during their short administration, shown a wide
know what was going to be done. spirit of conciliation and concession to all parties. He
The Earl of WICKLOW thought the matter was hoped they would concede their support to the present
clear. The house was thin, because every noble lord measure in the same spirit, and that they would not op-
knew that the house could not alter the bill ; and the pose it on the ground, either that this was not the pro-
noble Earl (Derby) share the responsibility for that thin per season to introduce it, or that the Government were
attendance with the Government. If the noble earl already pledged to propose a scheme of electoral
wanted a discussion it could be taken ; there the bill reform. If any great anomaly or injustice existed
was, and the noble President of the Council had said in the country it was the bounden duty of the
that he was ready to go on, if it was wished. house to remove it without delay, if that could be done
After a few words from Lord MONTEAGLE, to the without injuring any class of the community. If the
effect that though their lordships could not alter these bill were allowed to be brought in by the Government
bills, they were, nevertheless, bound to discuss them, they would show that they were in earnest in regard to
the discussions in their lordships' house on the property their promise of rJorni. Hitherto the bill had been met
tax being instanced as debates of great importance, and not by reasonable objections, but by deeply seated pre-
of great influence on national finance. judice. All it proposed to do was to remove one of the
Earl GRANVILLE agreed to give a formal state- greatest anomalies which existed in our representative
ment of the bill, and proceeded accordingly to describe system. (Hear.) In a country of progress like this
its more familiar features—only three or four peers being it was absolutely necessary that the area of representa-
present when lie began. tion should be enlarged, and that the franchise should
Lord MONTEAGLE must repeat his conviction that be given to those communities who were capable and en-
it would be highly objectionable to allow this bill to titled to enjoy it. Looking at the corrupt practises
pass a third reading without discussion. It pro- which had lately prevailed at elections, in some of which
posed to issue Treasury or Exchequer Bonds of un- the Government had been mixed up, they should de all
certain amount, the minimum being fixed at 1001. ; they could to purify our institutions, and not let it go
but it did not in the least make any provision for forth to despotic Europe that tkere institutions were a
the future conversion, nor was there to be any laughing stock.
check placed upon the mode or manner of issue. It Lord J. RUSSELL said he did not mean to enter
was the first time in the history of England that into any discussion upon the merits of the bill. It
Parliament had been asked to confer such a power seemed to him that the question of introducing the pro-
upon the Financial Minister ; and since these bonds were posed franchise into counties was so intimately connected
to be made transferable from hand to hand, and yet not with our whole social system of representation that it
convertible at any given period, what was to prevent was not a matter which could be taken up lightly.
the Minister, in times of trouble and difficulty, having (Hear.) Whether it was wise, unwise, good or bad to
recourse to an over issue ? (Hear, hear.) That Was an make this change, there could be no doubt that it was a
insuperable objection to the bill, which their lordships change of very great importance, and must affect the
would do well to ponder over. representation of the house to a considerable extent.
Earl GRANVILLE thanked the noble lord for some Such being the case—and he believed it would be ad-
useful corrections which his speech had supplied. The mitted to be so by the consent of all men—he then said
noble lord had compared the Exchequer bonds to bank that on this important question it was impossible to in-
notes, and said the Government ought not to issue bank traduce a bill without having discussions on the wide
notes when they had not a corresponding amount of bul- principle of our representation, and in order that an op-
lion in the bank ; but that was not the case, as the only portunity might be obtained for that purpose, it was neces-
difference would be in the machinery. Instead of a per- saryto postpone all the questions now before the house. He
son having a transfer on the books of the bank, he would could only say that the present Government were not
have it in the shape of a bond. The bonds would be re- indisposed to consider the whole question when the pro-
deemable at the end of a year, and would have value in per time arrived. Perhaps the hon. gentleman who had.
the eyes of a banker which no other security could have. introduced the bill would not give any credit to the de-
The bill was then read a third time and passed, and claration, but he (Lord J. Russell) would say to the rest
the house adjourned at nine o'clock. of the house that the Government were duly im-
pressed with the importance of the subject, and
that they hoped, when they brought forward their
bill, they would be able to do so at a time
and in a manner which would secure for it the serious
consideration of the house. If the hon. member went
to a division, he should feel it his duty to vote against
the motion.
Sir D. LACY EVANS defended Mr. Locke King for
again submitting the bill to the house, but trusted after
the explanation of the noble lord, it was not his inten-
tion to go to a division.
Mr. HUME thought Mr. L. King had done no more
in moving for the introduction of the bill than he
had
pledged himself to do last session. After the expressions
which fell from Lord J. Russell last night respecting
ntlic:
democracy, he (Mr. Hume) would refuse fall eo_nfitt_le .
in his promise of future reform, and h 42 should, h
fore, advise his hon. friend to withdraw his i?iotion.
Mr. HADFIELD made a similar suggestion.
Mr. L. KING said after what had fallen from
his
hon. friends, he would not go to a division.
The motion was then, by leave, withdrawn.
CHATHAM ELECTION.
Sir J. SHELLEY read the report of the Chne+ohns
ii' Toelflens-
tion committee to the house, and drew attention
th of bast
cation in
Attorney-General had, on the streseen,,
ute Stephen Mount for
that report, been directed to o
trimpsreir had stated that the house
fact that, on the motion of the member fo E
b what
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perjury. At that time ho
prosecute Sir F. Smith for
should proceed further
to and
alloiv hon. members full time to
bribery; but in order
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Surrey, the
the house required of them, he
duty to themselves ant
opportunity determine
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committees, n NgVtlhthenththate
into evidence, which was in every hon. member a
not go •
consider the e:i.dencep,lo:staistonpofidrtnstoe
that they w familiar•
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st, was
a.nd
to their
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evidence, would urge upon them to stand by the report,
bands of their committees. He thought that they ought
and he therefore begged to call the attention of the house
to the following resolution :—" That if it
any person bath been elected or returned member of this
house, or endeavoured so to be by b • ribery or any other
proceed corrupt practices, this house will ro 1 '
p with the utmost
severity against all such persons as shall have been wilfully
concerned. in such bribery, or
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also, to the following resolution of the Chatham election
committee :—" That it was
proved to the committee that
Joseph Greathead, an
by a situation as elector of Chatham, had been bribed
a letter-carrier in the P t- ffi os o ce, ob-
tamed for his son Charles Greathead, l
Smith ;" and to move, that theAttorney-General Sir J . Frederick e
.
rooted to prosecute the said Sir John Mark Frederick Smith
for bribery at the last election at Chatham.
Sir F. TILESIGER said he had hoped that some mem-
ber of the Government would have expressed their opinion
on this motion. (Hear, hear.) The hon. baronet who had
brought it forward had disclaimed being actuated by any
personal feeling in the matter. He (Sir F. Thesiger) felt
satisfied that that was the fact, and he was sure the hon.
baronet would be gratified, as many other members would
be, to find that, upon considering the evidence in the case,
the house would not be under the necessity of interfering
in the way proposed. (Hear, hear.) The hon. baronet had
stated that the committee had reported that Sir F. Smith
was guilty of bribery. Now, that was not exactly the
report of the committee. Their report, will chit La: bverr
eets I
guardedly framed, was as follows : That,
a" tnint, an elec.or
proved 'to the committee that Joseph ree ,

HOUSE OF COMMONS—{YESTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair shortly before 4 o'clock

PETITIONS.
Sir J. DUKE presented a petition from the omnibus
proprietors of the metropolis against the Hackney Car-
riage Bill, and praying that the bill might be referred to
a select committee.
Mr. CRAUFURD presented several petitions from
various places in Scotland against the Maynooth grant.
Mr. WILCOX presented a petition from Southampton
in favour of international arbitration.
Sir J. V. SHELLEY presented a petition from the
hackney carriage proprietors, stating that if the Hack-
ney Carriage Bill passed, it would be their ruin, and
therefore they prayed that the bill might be referred to a
select committee.
Capt. SCOBELL presented a petition from the
licensed victuallers of Bath against the proposed in-
crease in trading licences.
Mr. CHEDALE presented a petition from Staley-
bridge, praying that the vacant seat of Sudbury might
be allotted to that town.
Mr. LOWE presented petitions from various places
in Gloucestershire in favour of the bill for legalising mar-
riages with a deceased wife's sister.
Lord HOTHAM presented two petitions from the
East Riding of Yorkshire against the opening of the
Crystal Palace on Sundays.
Mr. COBDEN presented a petition from the Athenaeum
of Manchester, praying for the total repeal of the adver-
tisement duty.
The Earl of MARCH presented a petition from Sus-
sex, against the County Rates Bill.
BOTTLING WINE IN BOND.
Mr. W. 0. STANLEY wished to ask the hon. gen
Bury -
tleman the Under-Secretary for the Treasury a question
on the subject of bottling wine in bond. What he wished
to ask was, whether the Customs regulations would
allow wine to be bottled in bond for home consumption,
in the same manner that wine was allowed to be bottled
in bond for exportation ?
Mr. WILSON said the subject of bottling wine in
bond for home consumption was now under the consi-
deration
whichT il
thhaedy alreadydt
mdeardateio
an
report o f the Customs
to
h the
T
ur
out a number of practical difficulties which stood in the
way of such an arrangement, but the matter was not yet
decided. As the same time, however, it was only right
that he should state that at present the practical
difficulties in the way of such a regulation were so
great that he could hold out no prospect of regulations
being made to enable wines for home consumption to be
bottled in bond. With regard to wine for exportation,
the regulations would remain the same as they were.

CHICORY.
Sir J. TROLLOPE wished to know if the hon. gen-
tleman was prepared to state what were the intentions
of the Government with regard to the subject of chicory!
An answer to such a question had been promised this
week.

Mr. WILSON said he had to-day had a communica-
tion with hio right hon. friend the Chancellor of the
Exchequer on this subject, and he had to state that his
right hon. friend having carefully considered the whole
matter, had come to the conclusion that it would be
only fair, considering the forward state of the land -for