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London, England, 1854-08-09 00:00:00

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NORTH STAFFORDSHIRE.
Le Jnif has arrived.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-(THIS DAY).

The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock.
Stocker's Divorce Bill was read a third time and
passed. _
___

Lord D. STUART presented a petition from the
hackney-carriage drivers of the metropolis, complaining
of the conflicting decisions of the magistrates, the lowness
of cab fares, &c., and praying that the fares might be
raised to is. for the first mile, and that they might have
a right of appeal from magisterial decision.
Mr. NAPIER presented a petition from a portion of
the Irish clergy, praying that steps might be taken to
insure a better observancc, of the Sabbath.

THE MENAI STRAITS.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished to ask the Secretary
of the Treasury if the Commissioners of Woods and
Forests have lately granted a lease of the Menai Straits
as an oyster bed, to the exclusion of the fishermen of the
neighbourhood, who have hitherto dredged in those
straits time out of mind.
Mr. WILSON stated that Messrs. Russell held a
lease of the Menai Strait, as an oyster bed, under the
Bishop of Bangor. Some robberies having been com-
mitted, they prosecuted and established their claim.
Since then they had obtained a lease from the Crown,
but such lease was subject to any existing public
rights.

CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION)

BILL.

On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Mr. HUME called the attention of the house to the
report of the last session on the state of the Slave Trade,
and urged renewed application for the fulfilment of the
treaties with Spain for a total suppression of the slave
trade to Cuba.

Lord J. RUSSELL admitted the importance of the
question, and said that the most stringent measures had
been taken this year for the effectual suppression of the
slave trade, which he hoped would be attended with the
best results. He added that he was quite sure the new
Government of Spain would second these efforts to put
an end to this dreadful traffic.
Sir G. PECHELL considered the answer of the
noble lord very satisfactory, and was rejoiced to learn
that there was now some chance that Spain would ear-
nestly co-operate with us for the suppression of the
slave trade.

Sir. H. WILLOUGHBY—Passing to another sub-
ject, interpellated the Chancellor of the Exchequer on
the subject of the war expenditure. The house, he
said, had voted in estimates between 64,000,0001. and
65,000,0001., including the credit of 3,000,0001., while
the country had been given to understand that it was
the intention of the Government to meet the expendi-
ture with the taxes raised within the year. Now, he
believed it would be impossible to carry out that inten-
tion, and, he therefore wanted to know the amount of
debt, in some shape or other, which the State would
have to incur, to meet the excess of expenditure over
the ways and means already voted by Parliament. The
hon. baronet also complained of the dangerous power
exercised by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in con-
verting or selling Savings' Bank Stock, which
he hal already done to the extent of 617,0001., without
the consent of Parliament.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could
add nothing to what he had already stated on the sub-
ject of the public revenue and expenditure, except that
up to the present moment the revenue had fully realised
the expectation which he held when he made his
financial statement last May, in fact, up to
the 9th of August, the expenditure was within
the revenue, and, therefore, he had nothing to
retract from what he had said about meeting the ex-
penditure from the taxes raised in the year: The right
hon. gentleman then proceeded to show that the apparen t
decrease upon the last quarter's revenue of 570,0001. was
falacious, because the return did not include the Irish
Revenue, while a sum of 770,0001. had been included in
the former quarter, which ought to have been brought
into this. With regard to the state of the exchequer
bonus account, it stood thus : 4,000,0001. had been ne-
gotiated and 3,000,0001. had actually been received.
There still remained power to issue 600,0001. and
700,0001. more, while the amount of running Exchequer
Bills was less in amount than usual, being about
16,500,0001. As to the question of revenue and
expenditure the account stood thus,—the expenditure
up to the present time, as compared with last year,
was about 3,500,0001. in excess ; but he anticipated that
on the 10th of October there would be a balance in the
Exchequer of about 4,500,0001., and with that surplus
at his command he had no reason to suppose, calcu-
lating upon existing experience, that he should have to
call upon the bank for assistance. With regard to the
Savings' Bank Stock, it was a mistake to suppose that
it was absolutely at the disposal of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer ; it was placed to the credit of the National
Debt Commissioners, for the purpose of meeting the
claims of the Savings' Bank depositors both for principal
and interest. During the early part of the year
there was a run upon the Savings Banks, and
anticipating that the withdrawal would continue, he
had taken advantage of the recent high price of the
funds to sell out for the purpose of meeting these Savings
Banks demands. He was happy, however, to say that
the run had stopped, and now the deposits far exceeded
the withdrawals.
After a few words from Mr. W. A. WILKINSON and
Mr. HOME,
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these funds for Savings' Banks purposes, his objection
would fall to the ground.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER declined
to give such an assurance. Savings Banks money was
held by the State in trust for the depositors, but like
private bankers, the State was entitled to sue it for their
own purposes, if they could do so with profit.
The bill was then passed.
ENCUMBERED ESTATES (WEST INDIES) BILL.
This bill was read a third time, and passed.
LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL (CANADA) BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
CUSTOMS BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
EAST INDIA COMPANY'S REVENUE
ACCOUNTS.

The resolutions agreed to in committee last night on
this subject were reported and agreed to.

(LEFT BITTING.)

MARKET INTELLIGENCE.

(From the London New Price Current of yesterday.)
SUGAR.—There has been rather more inquiry, at about
Friday's rates, but the public sales are still progressing.
Duty paid samples have realised full rates. Floating car-
goes are wanted. The quantity of British Plantation
landed last week at the East and West India Docks was
1,187 hhds 148 tierces 830 barrels. There were taken for
home consumption 961 hhds 68 tierces 485 barrels. The
stock in the same places is 9,552 hhds, 1,678 tierces 3,476
barrels. Refined brown lumps are at 44s per cwt.
COFFEE. - There is a quiet market, although yesterday
the demand was better for Native Ceylon at 44s to 455.
There are buyers of Plantation at full rates. Costa Rica
has been in more request.
s
Rum.—The quantity landed last week at the East and
West India Docks was 964 puns 191 hhds ; there were
takenfo
r 239
pupshom e
2consumption
hhds.
The
stock in
puns t 42 hhds,ae placesand
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ex-
ported
9,457 puns 1,951 hhds. e same
RICE.—At auction 2,400 bags Bengal were offered, and
all bought in at 12s 6d for mid.
PimENTo.---•At auction 700 bags were nearly alt sold at
sid to 68d for mid coarse to good mid even.
TEA.— The demand has been limited, but holders are
firm. Ord. congou is at lld per lb, with a prompt sale.
TTALLOW.—.Sgreat increase has taken place in the de-
mand for Russian for consumption;
many speculative
contracts have been concluded, and advanced terms are
obtained. First sort. P.Y. Candle, on the spot, sells at
67s to 67s 3d, and for late delivery 69s to 69s 6d. Home
melted is higher, and in 'extensive request ; the currency
is now 66s to 66s 64 cash. Of other descriptions the
supply is not ample for the demand, and the prices
obtained were for—Australian, fair to fine mutton 62s to
675, beef 61s to 655; and South American 61s to 67s per
cwt. Tho stock of tallow is 15,000 casks greater than last
year, and deliveries are 5,000 smaller. Prices rule 15s to
16s per cwt above that time.
OILS.--.A brisker demand has been experienced for Sperm,
and an advance is paid : good to fine quality realising
1041 to 1061 per tun. Headmatter, however, sells slowly
at 1021 to 1031 Seal is not much sought after, and a de-
sire is expressed to sell pale at 391, and other sorts 351 to
381. The reluctance shown to buy cod continues,
and prices are drooping, ranging at 391 per ton.
Southern sells more readily at frog 331 to 411, and
the market presents a firm appearance. In palm a large
business has been done, and 45s to 48s isgenerally obtained
for mid to line. Of Cocoa nut many parcels have been dis-
posed of; Cochin at 50s 66 to 51s, landed, and other kinds
48s 64 to 50s. Linseed oil met with increased attention for
home trade and shipment, and prices are firm at 35s 6d to
36s on the spot. In rape oil there is an increased business ;
pale 44s to 44s 6d, and brown 41s 6d. Lard oil is a more
ready sale at 54s to 555. Large parcels of olive have changed
hands.

TEE BRITISH CRUISERS IN THE BALTIC.—A. letter
from Hamburgh of the sth, states that the governments
of the neutral maritime States of Northern Europe, with
Prussia at their head, are on the point of joining in an
urgent representation to the British Government on the
interference of our cruisers with their merchant ships.
The interference complained of is the very necessary
practice of searching suspected vessel for contraband of
war.

FOREIGN.
10 all Antwerp&Rotterdam 6 —61 d
5 3 Belgian Eastu. June. 1
20 8 Beziers to Graissessac 31 3 d
20 2s. Bombay, Baroda, and
Central India,Scrip id—ip
Central of Italy
•••
20 all Charleroi & Erquelin
171 all Demerara
20 14 Dijon and Besancon p
20 9 Dutch Rhenish . 3 31,1
20 all East Indian li 21
20 2 Do. Extension 1 d
5 all Gt. Indian Peninsula p
20 10 Gd. Junct. of France
25 10 Grd. Trunk of Canada 6 5 d
100 40 Do. Debentures 7 6
100 all Do. do —
20 10 Gt. Central of France 1 d
201 all Gts•
17i 181
Do. Bonds (Ist is.)'s7 ..• •• • P
206 all Hann
••• lton & Toronto #p
NlVlaersetsernof C anada
••
12000
5 all Lucca & Pistoj a 5 p.c.
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20 15 Luxembourg •••
alls Do.
Lake 6
CPoeln:t. cent.
Basle
10 10 Do. (Rai1way)........ ••• •••
5 2 Do. Pref — •••
.5 3 Do. (Canal)
10 5 Do. 6p. ct. pref _
20 10 Lyons and Geneva
20 12 Lyons & Mediterran •••
20 131 Madras id—iP
33?,, 333 Maria Antonia
10 all Do. do. New
20 2 Melbourne Dk. &Ry ..•
20 all Namur & Liege (with
interest) 7 8
20 all Do. (ex interest) —
16 all Northern of France 324 331 33a a
Do. 201. 3 p. c Bds
20 all (fmy.B. dr Ams.
10 all NorwegianTrunkPref "8
20 14 Paris and Lyons l7i —lB p
40 all Ditto Bonds
10 all Paris and Orleans 45 47
20 all Paris and Rouen 39 41
20 all Paris and Strasbourg 311 -- 311
20 10 ParisCaen&Cherbrg. pm
10. 101 Quebec & Richmond
20 all Rouen and Havre 22 —23
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20 8 St. Andrew's and
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10 all Do 54 per c. Pref . d
20 10 Western of France • 5 6
10 7 West. of Switzerland . p
41 --34 d
20 2 Wiesbaden .•
20 15 Zealand ••• •••

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1 all Lake Bathurst ******* 1
1 all Liberty ********* •
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1 all Lond.&Cacoli 9 10
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1 all New Linares * §
and Smelting g
1 all Nouveau Monde **** ,•••
20 all Pontgiband Silvcr" 4
Lead Min. & Smelt. 16
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1 all Quartz Rock
50 all Rhymney Iron ...... a
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JOINT-STOCK BA
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40 all Australasia. B4 86 '
40 all British Colonial Bank
and Loan Company
50 all British N. American •
25 5 Chartd. Bank of Asia .d
20 2 Chrtd. Bnk. of India,
Australia, & China
...d
100 25 Colonial ... .
100 20 Commercial of Loud - •
20 14 English Scottish and
Australian ..• 2i 21 d
20 20 Lond. Chart. Bk. of
Australia . . .
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25 all Oriental Lank of
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25 5 Do. NOW ...
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10 all Do. New •••
5 1 Royal Australn.Bkg
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25 all South Australia 4O 42
25 all Union of Australia :66 68 d
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50 10 Union of London ..•
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CHESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAlLWAY.—Traffic return for
the week ending July 30, 1854 25,985 10 5
Corresponding week last year 6,121 13 4

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40 all Australasia. ' 84 __
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20 11 Australsn.Pcific.Mai) 3 * 45 43i and Loan Company ...
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10 8 A.ustraln. Royal Mail ***
10 4 Berlin Water Works •''
50 40 Brit. American Land ***
20 2 Chrtd. Buk. of India,
5 1 Brit. & Coln. Smoltg. 65 70 Australia, & China ...
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and Reduction Co.. 100 25 Colonial ...............
100 32 Canada BB ••• —.
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20 14 English Scottish and ••• ,
5 3,L, Do. New ...... .... ..• 4 44 4i
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4 2 Crystal Pa.l. of France ... •• ' 20 20 Lond. Chart. Bk. of
20 5 Eastern Steam — ••• Australia ............. 20 4
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25 20 EleetritTelegraph(A) 19 _ 20 i 211
50 20 London ancl Comity.. ... .... .
25 all Do. (B) lOO 20 Loud. & Westminster x d and b
20 50 10 London Joiut Stock.. ... —27 a d
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1 1 Electric Teleg. of Ir. •.• ...
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15 14 Gen. Steam Navigat. ... —10 J National Provincial •••
20 18 adnoral Screw Steam ... ... of England •.•
...
20 V, Irish -Beetroot Sugar ... _
••• 20 10 Do. New
20 10' Niagdalcua St. Navig. ... ._
.” 50 22?, National of Ireland ... _ . •
1 all Nat. Pat. Steam Fuel ... __
.** 20 all' New South Wales._ ___ 2:.
10 3 Netherlands Laud.... i li 25 all Oriental Bank of
21N.S. W. Coal & Inter. • Corporation. 46 —47
... 25 5 Do. New
1 all N. B. Australasian._ B _ i• 100 25 ProvinCial of Ireland ... _
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Steam Navigat. Co. _ . 49
10 all Do. New
1 A Do. New
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20 10 Nrth.ofEuropeSteam ... _ 5 1 Royal Australn.Bkg. .• --- ...
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& Gold Imp C 0....
5 all Peel Er. Ld. & Minrl. 4 —4O South Australia 4O 42
4i ... _, .
50 all Peninsular& Oriental ... ... 25 all
50 40 Do. Do. ...
...p 25 all Union of Australia— :66 68
2 all Portland Iron Co i— ip ... 2i Do. New ............... ...
... a d
100 60 Royal Mail Steam
1 all Scot. Austral. Invest. 2i 2i
25 25 South Austral. Land 33 —35 CHESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAlLWAY.—Traffic return for
1 all Subrnar. Telegraph.. i— li , the week ending July 30, 1854
1 `all Do. Registered t ii• Corresponding week last year £5,985 10 5
6,421 13 4
28i .iran Diemen Land 11 —l2
...._ ----
. Decrease in 1854 £436 2 11

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY.)

•
The house met at five o'clock.
The Duke of ARGYLL presented a petition, very
numerously signed, from Glasgow, against the manufac-
ture or sale of spirituous liquors.
Lord REDESDALE proposed several verbal amend-
ments in the standing orders of the house.
Lord BROUGHAM entirely approved of the pro-
posed alterations. The noble and learned lord took oc-
casion to bear testimony to the advantages, as well as
saving of expense, which had resulted from the introduc-
tion into this house of the system of appointing exami-
ners of standing orders in regard to private bills, and
intimated that he looked forward confidently to other
improvements in the mode of disposing of their private
business.

EPISCOPAL AND CAPITULAR ESTATES
MANAGEMENT, 1854, BILL.

On the motion for considering the Commons' amend-
ments in this bill, . .

A brief conversation arose respecting the taxes upon
law proceedings in the county courts, in which Lord
Brougham, the Earl of Aberdeen, and Lord Campbell,
took part.

The amendments were ultimately agreed to.
The amendments to the National Gallery (Dublin)
Bill were agreed to,

The Commons' reasons for disagreeing to an amend-
ment made by the Lords was taken into consideration.
The amendment after a short discussion was aban-
doned.

The same occurred in the case of the Towns Improve-
ment Bill.

The same occurred in•the Prisoners Removal Bill.
On the motion for the third reading of the Merchants'
Shipping Acts Repeal Bill,
Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY moved to add a
clause to give power to a magistrate to require a sum
of 301. from the owner, consignee, or master of any
ship, bringing into this country any Chinese, Asiatic,
African, or Sandwich Islander, or natives of any place
that has no consular representative in this country. •
The clause was added to the bill.
The bill was then passed.
On the motion for the third reading of the Duchy of
Cornwall Bill, the bill was read a third time and passed.
On the motion that that the Public Revenue and
Consolidated Fund Charges Bill be read a second time,
Earl GRANVILLE moved that inasmuch as the
provisions of the Public Revenue and Consolidated
Fund Charges (No. 2) Bill are precisely similar to those
of the Public Revenue and Consolidated Fund Charges
Bill as the same were amended in committee in this
house, the report of which amendments was, on the
28th day of July, ordered to be received that day three
months, the peculiar circumstances under which the
said (No 2) bill has been sent up to this house from the
House of Commons make it reasonable that the same be
allowed to be read a second time this day, if the house
shall think to so order.

The motion was agreed to.
On the question being put for reading the bill a second
time,

The Marquis of CLANRICARDE complained of the
loose manner in which the first bill was drawn, and said
the grossest injustice would have been committed had
that bill passed without amendments.
Earl GRANVILLE defended the bill. The amend-
ments had been caused by some verbal mistakes which
had crept into the bill.

The -Marquis of CLANRICARDE denied that the
mistakes were verbal. They included, for instance, the
Master of the Rolls, and the Masters in Chancery in
Ireland, whose salaries were proposed to be made the
subject of an annual vote.

Lord MONTEAGLE bore testimony to the defects of
the original bill, especially in the points alluded to by the
noble marquis. The judges of the superior courts of com-
mon law in Ireland, in the administration of justice at
special commissions, were introduced into the bill. The
Government bad only adopted the amendments because
they were in a minority. The bill was prepared with such
such a want of consideration that there had been no pro-
vision made to except persons having a life interest.
There were considerable objections to the bill as it stood,
though he (Lord Monteagle) should not embarrass the
Government by raising them. There was one referring
to the Scotch clergy, which, on examination, appeared
to be for the detention of offenders. The bill was, in
fact, prepared in the most " slip-slop" manner, if he
might be allowed to use so unparliamentary a phrase.
The select committee had adopted a resolution not to
deal with the question of superannuations without fur-
ther information than was laid before them. This was
complained of elsewhere. But he (Lord Monteagle), as
a member of that committee, had applied for the infor-
mation wanting at the Treasury, and the reply was that
the Chancellor of the Exchequer declined to furnish it.
He (Lord Monteagle), therefore, complained that the
committee should be impugned for neglecting to ask for
information on the subject. He (Lord Monteagle) had
been applied to by Mr. A. Stapleton, late private secre-
tary to Mr. Canning, who had been made Commissioner
of Customs at the request of George IV. The salary
was 1,2001., and Mr. Stapleton held two other appoint-
ments, making 1,9001. a year in all. Subsequently,
Mr. Stapleton resigned his three offices for a retiring
allowance of 9001. a year—thus effecting a saving of
1,0001. a year to the country. Mr. Stapleton had,
however, sought to obtain employment in the service of
the country ; and his income being a subject of public
contract, he (Lord Monteagle) thought it unjust to
place it at the mercy of a committee of supply.
The case of the Bishop of New Zealand was one
in point. The salary of that office had been placed on
the committee of supply, and it had been withdrawn by
the Government after several years' continuance. He
(Lord Monteagle) thought the select committee had
acted quite rightly in asserting the principle they had
asserted, and refusing to proceed in ignorance of the
facts. There was a rumour that the financial business
of the House of Commons was to be transferred to select
committees, on the plan of bureaux in foreign legislative
assemblies, but when the House of Commons parted
with the power of the purse, and abdicated its func-
tions, it real influence with the country was gone.

Earl GRANVILLE did not feel inclined to take the
authority of the noble lord, on the subject of Scottish
law, though he would not venture to contradict him on
the subject of Irish law. With regard to the refusal of
the Treasury to give the noble lord the information he
required, he (Lord Granville) had made it his business
to ascertain the facts of the case, and from these it ap-
peared that the noble lord, having had some communi-
cation with the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in answer
to a question put to him by the noble lord, the Chan-
cellor of the Exchepier stated that the persons most
competent to give him information respecting the bill
were two gentlemen in the Treasury—Mr. Anderson
and Mr. Shelley. The noble lord thereupon wrote to
Mr. Shelley to the effect that he had been authorised by
the Chancellor of the Exchequer to ask him and Mr.
Anderson for information, and requesting them to call
upon him with the papers for that purpose. The answer
of Mr. Shelley was, that he and Mr. Anderson would be
happy to call upon the noble lord, but it was necessary
that he should specify what papers ho required. To
this the noble lord rejoined that it was a matter of no
consequence ; that he had written the note merely to
save time ; and that the committee would meet that
afternoon and determine what papers they intended
to call for. Next morning the noble lord called upon
those gentlemen, and asked for information somewhat
vaguely, and they furnished him with certain infor-
mation accordingly, under the impression that he had
the authority of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to
ask for it. But when the noble lord proposed that they
should give him the estimates that had not then been
laid before the House of Commons, they at once said
that that was a matter beyond their discretion, and they
must therefore refer the noble lord's request to the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer. They did so, and the answer
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer was, that they must
not give the information to any individual member of
the committee. He (Lord Granville) had also been
assured by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that when
the noble lord asked him as to the proper source of in-
formation, he had no notion that the noble lord, being
himself hostile to the government bill, intended going to
the Treasury to obtain it. At the same time his right
hon. friend stated that it had never entered his head to
refuse to communicate any information which the com-
mittee might require. The noble lord also intimated to
Mr. Shelley that if he did not give him the information
he would move for it in this house. But not only did
he not get the information from Mr. Shelley, but he
had never moved for it. Now, whilst he (Lord Gran-
vine) was ready to admit that the Government were
bound to supply ample information to both houses of
Parliament, or to any committee of either house of Par-
liament, he did not think they were bound to allow their
subordinates to give official information privatebt to any
member of such committee, and thus enable him to
select the weak points of a case—(Hear)—omit the
the strong points, and put himself in a position infinitely
superior to that of a person who defended the bill.
(Hear.) He was well aware that nobody better remem-
bered the contents of the papers that were laid before
Parliament, or was more able is place his finger upon any
particular spot in areport, than his noble friend—(hear, and
a laugh)—nobody, moreover, was so skilfel in extracting
information for the purpose he had in view, both from
friend and foe. (Hear, hear, and laughter). H
friend did perfectly right to get all the information noble
tionhe
could ; and he understood that he had beent closeted
with the secretary of a public departmen one whole
nd further,
hour previous to the debate coming
that a witness, who was likely to be ea
axnam_
minie d
ndbiyn
his noble friend, had boasted of his presen f
having declined an invitation from his noble friend to
breakfast before the committee assembled. and intimated
at the same time that be would be glad to breakfast
d completod its labours.
with him after the committee
(Loud laughter.) The only heather pohlt which the
noble lord dwelt was a
nrumour which he said was pre-
ot the first time that their
valent. Now, that
lordships had had rneis-veais•umours debated in that home ;
he (Lord Granville) must be excused, however, if ho de-
clined to enter into arefutation of rumours that had no
substance whatever.
Lord MONTEAGLE assured the noble lord that it
had never been his desire to obtain information in an irre-
gular or a disingenuous manner. At the period he was
in office as Chancellor of the Exchequer there was a pro-
per officer at the Treasury whose duty it was to answer
those inquiries, and who, when a member of Parliament
went to him, could state whether he might have such
and such a paper or not. At present it was a constant
cause of complaint that papers were laid upon the table
without due inquiry being first made whether they could
be produced or not.
The Duke of ARGYLL complained of the speeches
of the Marquis of Clanricarde and Lord Monteagle as
convoying an erroneous impression, He utterly denied

► that there bad been any violation of the principles on
which the Government professed to act.
Lord CAMPBELL said that as apprehensions seemed
to be entertained that something very sweeping was in-
tended hereafter, he hoped the Government would pro-
ceed with great caution and deliberation. He should
say that, per incurian I, there had been some departure
from the principle originally laid down. He had great
respect for the House of Commons ; nevertheless, there
were some functions which it was not desirable that that
house should exercise. It was a deliberative and an
inquisitorial body, and was never designed to be an exe-
' cutive Government ; and at the present moment, in fact,
it had not time to discharge the functions with which it
was invested by the Constitution. For his part, there-
fore, he thought that it was very inexpedient, when both
houses of Parliament had decided, after much delibera-
tion, what salary should be attached to particular offices,
to transfer that salary from the Consolidated Fund, and
give to the House of Commons the function of deliberat-
ing every year what the salary should be, and whether
the functionary who held the office bad performed his
duty during the year or not.
The bill was then read a second and third time, and
passed.

MILITIA BILLS.
The Militia (No. 2) Bill, the Militia (Scotland) Bill,
the Militia (Ireland) Bill, the Militia Ballots Suspension
Bill, and the Militia Pay Bill, were severally passed
through committee.

PUBLIC HEALTH BILL.
Earl GRANVILLE moved the suspension of the
standing orders, for the purpose of passing this bill
through, its several stages.
Earl of SHAFTESi3- URY said that the law under
which the Board of Health was constituted would ex-
pire at the end of the present session of Parliament ; and
that the necessity for the present measure was rendered
the more urgent by the increase which had taken place
in the mortality arising from cholera. The noble earl
stated that the deaths from these causes in the metro-
polis were—
For the week ending July 15
Cholera
Diarrhces,
Total
For the week ending July 22 :
Cholera
Diarrhcea
Total —B4
For the week ending July 29 :
Cholera
Diarrhcea B4
Total —217
And for the week ending August 5 :
Cholera ' 399
Diarrhcea l4B
Total 547
The bill was then read a second and third time, and
passed.
METROPOLITAN SEWERS BILL.
Upon the motion of Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY,
this bill was read a second time, and the standing orders
having been suspended in its regard, it subsequently
passed through all its stages.
MIDLAND GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY OF
IRELAND (BARONIES' CONTRIBUTIONS)
BILL.
The order of the day for the second reading of this bill
having been moved,
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE proposed the fol-
lowing resolution :—" That whereas disputes and litiga-
tion had arisen between the Midland Great Western
Railway of Ireland and the ratepayers of the counties
chargeable with certain payments in respect of the cost
and maintenance of the said railway, it was urgent that
the bill in question should, notwithstanding the late pe-
riod at which it had been brought up from the House of
Commons, be allowed to be read a second time that day
if the house should think fit so to order."
The motion, after some opposition from Lord REDES-
DALE, upon the ground that the circumstances of the case
were not urgent, was read a second time.
Upon the motion of Lord REDESDALE, it was ordered
that Mr. Samuel Smith and Mr. Thomas Erskine May
should be appointed examiners of standing orders for the
ensuing session of Parliament.
Lord REDESDALE then moved for a return of all
houses, buildings, &c., hired for official purposes, includ-
ing Crown property, showing the situation of each ; the
terra for which it was held ; the amount of rent and
taxes with which it was chargeable; and the purposes to
which it was applied. -The noble lord said he had moved
for these returns with the view of being thus enabled *to
demonstrate the expediency—in order to bring the vari-
ous public offices into as convenient a position with re-
spect to one another as possible—of securing the vacant
space of ground between Downing-street and Great
George-street for that purpose. There were also other
matters with respect to rendering Parliament-street a
more suitable approach to both Houses of Parliament,
and with respect to the appropriation of the several pub-
lic buildings throughout the metropolis to particular
uses, upon which he wished to obtain information.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE had no hesitation in at
once acceding to the motion of the noble lord. He
thought the returns would furnish very useful informa-
tion. (Hear.) Ho agreed in the abstract with what
his noble friend had said ; but yet consideration was
required in the matter. He had no doubt the returns
moved for would astonish many as to the mode in which
the public offices were now managed. They were pay-
ing rent at present for something like 56 different offices,
independent of those offices which might be termed fee-
simple. The sum thus paid in rents was not less than
20,0001. a year, and not alone that, but owing to the
offices being apart, and distant from each other, great
extravagance existed in consequence of the several staffs
in each office. (Hear.) Then the present system was
very inconvenient. The offices were situated in private
houses, never intended for business, so that much valu-
able space, in point of accommodation, was thrown away.
It would be much better to expend a sum of money in
the erection of suitable buildings—(hear)—and which
might be done for a less sum in capital that 20,0001.
a year by way of interest represented. The Board
of Trade was carried on at present in ten or eleven
different buildings. Something the same might
be said of the war department—independent of the
Horse Guards and the Ordnance Office ; whereas all
these departments should be under proper and effi-
cient control. (Hear, hear.) The question was not
one merely of pounds, shillings, and pence, but also
affected the interests of the public service. How-
ever, as the country was engaged in expensive ope-
rations at present, it might not be the most fitting time
to press a question of the kind ; but he had no doubt
the demand for funds for this purpose, if made at a
proper time, would meet with unanimous approval.
After a few words from Lord REDESDALE, the motion
was agreed to.
COURT OF CHANCERY BILL.
On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR,
The Commons' amendments in this bill were agreed to.
BRIBERY, &c., BILL.
On the motion of the Duke of NEWCASTLE,
The amendments of the Commons in this bill, limiting
its operation to one year, were agreed to.
Their lordships adjourned at five minutes to nine
o'clock.

110IISE OF COMMONS-(YESTERDAY.)

The SPEAKER. took the chair at two o'clock.

Sir J. SHELLEY presented a petition from a Liver-
pool paper, praying that unstamped papers under an
ounce in weight may be transmitted through the post on
payment of a penny.
CO'\IMON LAW PROCEDURE ACT.

In reply' to Lord DUDLEY STUART,
Lord PALMERSTON said this act, which was passed
in 1852, applied only to England and Wales, and there-
fore it had not been forwarded for registration to the
Channel Islands.
NORWICH LUNATIC ASYLUM.

Lord D. STUART wished to ask the Secretary of
State for the Home Department whether he had re-
ceived a report from the visiting magistrates of the luna-
tic asylums in Norwich, containing the results of an
inquiry, by which it appears that justice was evaded on
a criminal charge ; and whether he would not direct a
strict investigation to be made into all the circumstances
of the case.

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Lord PALMERSTON had received no official infor-
mation on the subject, but the facts which the noble lord
had communicated to him he had submitted to the Lu-
natic Commissioners.