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THE LIVERPOOL NOMINATION.

The nomination of candidates for the representation
of Liverpool was held yesterday morning, in front of
the Town-hall. The hustings were divided into three
compartments, above which large boards told the spec-
tators that they were respectively for the Hon. H. T.
Liddell and Mr. T. B. Horsfall—"Our Holy Religion,
Ships, Colonies, and Commerce ;" Mr. Bramley Moore
—" Townside ;" and Sir Erskine Perry—" Free-trade."
Sir Erskine Perry represents the Liberal interest,
Messrs. Liddell and Horsfall are put forward as the
Tory candidates, Mr. Bramley Moore (the unsuccessful
Conservative candidate for Hull) being nominated by a
large body of independent Tories. Messrs. Liddell and
Horsfall were accompanied to the hustings by a great
procession.
After the usual preliminaries,
Mr. T. E. Moss proposed, and Mr. F. SHAND
seconded, the Hon. H. T. Liddell as a fit and proper
person to represent the borough in Parliament.
Mr. E. MoLviiEux and Mr. J. A. TOBIN nominated
Mr. T. B. Horsfall ; Sir E. Perry was nominated by
Mr. E. EVANS and Mr. G. HOLT ; and Mr. B. Moore,
by Mr. J. LOCKETT and Mr. J. LOGAN.
The four candidates then addressed the electors.
The Hon. H. T. LIDDELL, who was received with
mingled cheers and groans, said, that he had given, at
various meetings, frankly and openly, his opinions upon
almost every subject. But the gentleman who had
seconded the nomination of his friend Mr. Horsfall had
alluded to two important topics which, hitherto, he (Mr.
Liddell) had omitted to mention. Now, with regard to
the former of these topics, he fairly confessed to them
that he lOokeWforward, and with very good hopes, to
the measures which her Majesty's Administration might
bring forward, because he had received them from the
noble Lord John Russell—from his own lips, both in
the House of Commons and in many other assemblies
—he had read it and had it from his own lips
indeed, so many guarantees of attachment to our
Protestant institutions —that he did not believe
the noble lord would bring into, the House of
Commons anything that was inconsistent with
the views which he had expressed. (Cheers.) If the
Protestantism of the noble lord came up to his expecta-
tion—(laughter, and shouts of " Your expectations !"
" Oh, oh !" " Preserve us !") But if the measures were
opposite to those principles which formed the principles
of the great majority of the people of this town, he would
raise his voice in opposition to such clauses, and do his
best to render them unsuccessful. (Cheers.) Upon the
other subject, of Parliamentary reform, he might say
this—that we might look forward to two or three of the
leading features in the new measure of electoral reform.
One of those features might probably be an extension of
the right of franchise to the British people. The right
of franchise was now conferred by the test of property
qualification. (Cries of "No, no," from the opposition.)
He repeated—(" No, no, the freemen")—he was happy
to be reminded that another class in the community pos-
sessed the right of voting, he meant the freemen of this
great town and borough. Why did they possess the
right ? Because of the Reform Bill of 1830. (Cheers,
and cries of " Did you oppose it ?") While it existed it
made a large accession to the popular franchise. In
respect to the existing franchise, he believed it did not
disfranchise any set of Englishmen. He trusted that
the bill of 1854 might resemble that of 1830 in that re-
spect ; but if it should not be so, be it known to them
all, that he for one would consent to nothing in the
shape of a wholesale disfranchisement. (Hear, and
groans, and cries of "You opposed the bill of 1830.")
He would not say that the 10/. test was the best that
could be devised. On that question he did not pretend
to venture an opinion, but he should wait to see what
the new Reform Bill was before he would give his con-
sent to it. He had said already that he would not sup-
port a bill for a wholesale disfranchisement, neither would
he support any proposition for vote by ballot. (Groans.)
Upon other points he would keep his mind open to con-
viction, and he would promise to give the Reform Bill, if
it appeared, as favourable a consideration as he could.
(Cheers.) But he ventured to say that it was extremely
doubtful whether this was the proper time to engage t
attention of this country in discussions of this sort. .
referred to the threatening appearance in the East,
the overcast horizon in various parts of the wo
(Hear.) He believed it would be better for this count
if the Government would take such steps as to seen
the generous support of the people, both in and out of
the house, from the prosecution of such steps as might
be for the national independence, and the national
safety, than that the House of Commons should be at
this time engaged in a question which he boldly said
was not called for by the great mass of the people.
(Hisses and laughter.) He had alluded to the dangers
of the East, and the dangers of the peace of the uni-
verse being disturbed ; but even if these matters should
pass off in negotiation, there were many subjects amply
sufficient to engage the attention of the Legislature.
(Laughter.) He referred next to the difficulties of the
Colonial Government. (Hear.) The Colonial Govern-
ment extended now over nearly one-fifth of the habit-
able world. How could it be expected, then, that such
an administration as that could long be conducted by
the means of a single office in London. (Hear, hear.)
Let them look nearer home. He pointed to the great
continent of Australia, the returns from which showed
the most unexampled progress ever witnessed. (A
Voice—" Under free-trade !") He pointed to the do-
minions in South Africa ; to the extended continent of
Africa; and, lastly, to the West Indies and the British
possessions in South America. How could those coun-
tries be governed much longer in the way in which
they were now governed ? It was beyond the power
of the home Government to govern them. But he
looked forward to the day when England would adopt
the course which Spain had done for three centuries, in
sending her best blood and her noblest sons to found
monarchies in those regions. (Loud cheers and derisive
laughter.) These were matters which it might do very well
to laugh at ; but the time would come—and that, per-
haps, in the time of the present generation—when they
would find it was no laughing matter. (Loud cries of
" Horsfall ! Horsfall !" "Shut up.") These, then, were
the great and glorious prospects which they had before
them ' • because England—small spot as she was on the
face of the globe—still, it was possible, might become
parallel to the heart of the human body, sending forth
her life-blood to every quarter of the globe, conveying
life and vigour to the farthest corners of the earth. (Loud
cheers and hisses.)
Mr. T. B. HORSFALL, who was received with mingled
applause and hisses, said, if it were their will that he
should be returned as the representative of their opi-
nions, he should endeavour to benefit his native town
and its inhabitants. If, on the other hand, it was their
pleasure to select any of the other two candidates who
had been presented to their notice, he should return
again among them without the slightest feeling of dis-
appointment, but with a feeling and a desire to co-ope-
rate for the good of their great town. (Hear, hear.)
The point at issue between them was, the religious or
non-religious education of the people, and upon that,
whether Sir Erskine Perry was to succeed, or whether
he (Mr. Horsfall) was to succeed, he left in the hands of
the electors, and God defend the right. (" Oh !" and
counter-cries.) After these observations, he hoped it
was not necessary for him to say anything on national
education. Neither was it his intention to occupy their
time in any lengthened discussion on the general com-
mercial state of the country. He was not going to ques-
tion this measure or that, but he would just refer to a
measure which must very shortly come before Parlia-
ment. He alluded to the India Bill, upon which much
had been said. He was not going to say whether the
Government was right in the principles it maintained,
' nor was he going to give an opinion whether Lord
Aberdeen was right in pushing the bill forward, or Lord
Derby in wishing to restrain it. (Hear, hear.) In con-
sequence of his recent absence from home he really did
not fully comprehend the details of the measure. (Laugh-
ter.) But this he did say, that he had the greatest con-
fidence in some of the members of the present Govern-
ment, and there were others in whom he had no confi-
dence at all ; but, if there was one member of the Ad-
ministration in whom he had no confidence at all, it
was Sir Charles Wood. (Cheers.) He would tell them
why, as a commercial man, he had no confidence
in Sir Charles Wood. He waited, along with a depu-
tation, in the year 1847, from this town, to represent to
her Majesty s Government, with Lord John Russell at
its head, the distressed state of the commercial interest
in this country. They had an interview with Lord
John Russell and Sir Charles Wood. From Lord John
Russell they received the greatest sympathy, and an
expression of desire to promote the interest of the com-
mercial interests, and to relieve them of the burdens
under which they were suffering. But with respect to
Sir Charles Wood, he must say that he never saw a
deputation meet with such a heartless and unfeeling re-
ception. (Hisses.) That was one of the reasons why
he disliked a coalition, because it might include men
whom he did like with men whom he did not like, with
men in whom he had no confidence whatever. (Hear,
hear.) He knew that it might be expected he should
say something on the budget of the Government ; and
he should be exceedingly inconsistent, if, having advo-
cated with them the repeal of the tea duty and the re-
peal of the soap duty, he did not stand there honestly
and express his belief that it was the best budget whick
he had ever read. (Cries of " Ah, ah ! but it does not

THE SPITHEAD FLEET.

suit your side, though ;" the most marked silence pre-
vailing among the Conservative ranks.) Whether they
liked it, or did not like it, he gave them on this, as on
every topic, an expression of his honest convictions.
(Cheers.) He would only say that, if he had the honour
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of being returned as the 'repi:esentative of this town in
Parliament, they might depend upon this, that he would
take every opportunity he could embrace to advocate
the principles which he had advocated in that town ;
and, without any unkindly feeling, he would do all he
could to support those Protestant principles which he
always espoused. (Cheers.)
Sir E. PERRY then rose to address the electors
amid a tornado of hootings, yells, and demoniac
groans from the hirelings of the Tory party. He said
—I stand here, gentlemen, as the only candidate
on this hustings who is prepared to give an unflinching
and most independent support to the Government, and I
am prepared, on the present occasion, to arraign the Tory
party, who are opposing me, with being ignorant of
the first principles of government—of being wrong on
every great question that has come before the public for
the last hundred years. There is a great question now

lion of this session—
__ and the peace of Eng-
, prosperity of Liverpool more than
any one subject that has been brought beforp the present
session of Parliament. Gentlemen, the opposite party
have not said one word upon it. They have not alluded
to it, except by the statement of the gentleman who was
formerly turned out for South Shields. It shows he is
totally ignorant also. (Cheers, laughter, and groans.)
Gentlemen, the greatest question of the present day af-
fecting the prosperity of Liverpool is the extension of
our commerce to our British possessions in the East.
(Cheers.) I want to ask those practical men opposite,
those intelligent Tory merchants who claim to rule over
the flags of the Exchange (laughter), in what mode
(groans, interruptions, and cheers)—in what mode they
propose to extend the commerce of Liverpool to Bombay
and Calcutta ? There is a practical point for you. They
have not thought upon the subject. They have not said
a word about it. They don't know. I ask them now.
(Renewed interruption.) Gentlemen, I see around me,
no doubt, a great many shippers of cotton and woollens
to India. Now, let me ask one question of the ablest
man on the other side, whoever he may be, what is the
reason you export so few woollens to India--what is the
reason ? Will one of those practical men give me an
answer ? (No answer.) No reply (asked Sir Erskine)?
I will tell you a fact, gentlemen. There is no article of
British manufactures that would be received more ac-
ceptably by the 150,000,000 in India as the woollens of
Yorkshire and Scotland. Gentlemen, having stated to
you a fact, I will now supply to you a piece of informa-
tion that the old Tories of Liverpool are not able to
furnish. The way to make these 150,000,000 better
consumers than they are at present is to apply the same
sound principle to the Government that has made
the working people of this country better con-
sumers also. Gentlemen, it is by applying good
government to them, by making them more intelligent,
by giving them better wages, and by enabling them to
produce cotton in a much larger quantity than previ-
ously ; in fact, by elevating their condition in the scale
of society we will make them what they are not at pre-
sent—equal to our brethren over on the other side in
America, who are now, as you know, your best cus-
tomers. The great defect in the Indian government up
to the present time is that which characterises all Tory
institutions—a domination by a small sect for their own
interests—(hear, hear, and cheering)—domination by the
means of distributing loaves and fisherlb their ad.
herents ; and the grand feature of the present measure
is that it strips the Court of Directors of one-half of
that unholy influence.

Mr. R. IVEILSON, having obtained permission to put
some questions to the hon. gentleman, said—l under-
stand Sir Erskine Perry to say that he would vote for
the extension of the franchise to the whole of the intel-
ligent portion of the community. I wish to ask hint
whether he will vote for the ballot ?

Sir E. PERRY.—Mr. Mayor, I stand before the con-
stituency of Liverpool for the purpose of stating my
opinions freely. One of my most deeply-rooted political
opinions is, not to give any pledges whatever on any
topics of the day. (Hisses, hootings, and groans.) But,
Mr. Mayor, as I desire to state my opinions to the satis-
faction of that gentleman, and to the satisfaction of my
own friends, I will tell you that I have no objection
whatever to the ballot. (Enthusiastic cheering, and
much laughter.)
Mr. NEILSON.—Then, Mr. Mayor, I beg to ask—
(A. voice—" Are you a burgess ?")—(interruption)—l
beg to ask the hon. gentleman whether he is prepared to
support any measure which may come before Parlia-
ment to deprive freemen of their right to vote for a
member of Parliament. (Hear, hear.)
Sir E. PERRY—Mr. Mayor, I have already stated
that I am prepared to extend the franchise to all the
intelligence in the kingdom. I don't know at the pre-
sent moment much about the intelligence of freemen in
Liverpool. I shall know more about that after the
election. (Much laughter.) I am quite sure that if
they have intelligence enough to elect a proper candi-
date they will not have a warmer supporter in the coun-
try than myself. (Cheers and laughter.)
Mr. NEmsoisr—That reply may satisfy the hon, gen-
tleman's own supporters. I understand him to say—
(A voice, " Question r) This is the question. Is he
prepared to vote for the grant to Maynooth
Sir E. PERRY—Now, Mr. Mayor, we have got the
proper question—will I or will I not vote for the con-
tinuance of the grant to Maynooth ? I have told you
before that I will make no pledge on any public ques-
tion whatever. (Hisses and interruption.) But I will
tell you what my opinion is. With the information
that is before the public, my opinion is in favour of the
continuance of that grant—(hisses and groans)—but as
there is an inquiry for the purpose of ascertaining whe-
ther its continuance or repeal would be injurious to our
constitutional liberty, I reserve my judgnient on the
.ject until the result of that inquiry. (Great cheer-
,...) The hon. gentleman then proceeded to delineate
e beneficial effects of that liberal policy inaugurated
..y the Reform Bill, and announced his intention of
adhering to those principles of reform which he had
always advocated.

Mi'. MOORE then delivered a speech to the electors,
after which a show of hands was taken, which was
declared by the Mayor to be in favour of Mr. Horsfall
and Sir E. Perry.

A poll was demanded for Mr. Liddell and Mr. Moore,
which was to take place today.

NAVAL INTELLIGENCE.

PORTSMOUTH, JULY 7.

A large concourse of visitors have frequented Ports-
mouth to-day, expecting to witness a review of the fleet
by her Majesty. The company, principally excursionists,
began to flock in about 11 o'clock, and by 1.2 a couple of
thousand persons were added to the sight-seeing popu-
lation of the port. Excursion trains from London and
other places brought in about 1,000, and the steam-
packets from Southampton, Lymington, and the Isle of
Wight were overburdened with company ; but, alas! as
we informed them two days ago, there was no move-
ment in the fleet to see. The noble ships lay in quiet
dignity at their anchors, and their canvas re-
rnained close furled. Most of the ships, however,
were inspected by the excursionists, which yielded
them a large amount of satisfaction, and the water-
men who bore them a superabundant harvest. The
weather was very fine, and the water like a lake,
so as there was plenty to see, we doubt very much whe-
ther there was any deep feeling of disappointment at
the absence of any movement in the fleet. To compen-
sate in some measure for this, there happened to be an
inspection on Southsea Common of the Royal Marine
Artillery, under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel
Phillips, which drew the attention of the strangers from
the more immediate objects of their visit. The evolu-
tions in gunnery performed by the Royal Marine Artil-
lery were executed with most finished alacrity. There
was shell practice, too, from the ramparts of Southsea
Castle and the gunboats of the Excellent, which contri-
buted their quota of noise and smoke to the general
stock. The dockyard was honoured with marked at-
tention by a large party when they found there was not
likely to be any review, and the day closed without any
ebullition of popular disfavour.
The Neptune, 120, Captain E. H. Scott, bent sails
this morning, and is expected to go out to Spithead
daily.

The Duke of Wellington, 131, Captain Martin, C. 8.,
was swung to-day at Spithead for the adjustment of her
compasses. She was visited this afternoon by Vice-
Admiral Sir Charles Napier, K.C.8., and party, who
went out in the Bee, steam-tender to the Excellent.

The Fire Queen steam-yact, Master Commander Paul,
went to Spithead this afternoon with a party of foreign
officers to inspect some of the ships. Flag-Lieutenant
Aplin was in attendance upon them. They had pre-
viously inspected the dockyard.
The Arrogant, 46, Captain Fremantle, will be ready
to go to Spithead to-morrow.

The Oberon, 3, steam-vessel, has been dismasted and
placed in ordinary.
The Desperate, 8, screw corvette, Captain Chambers,
was placed in the steam basin dock to-day to have her
defects made good.
The Comus, 14, Commander FeHowes, left Spithead
this morning for Devonport to wait further orders.