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LONDON :
SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE 23, 1838.

The acme of Commons gave intimation last night, by

expressing a wish to postpone several measures, that the
Members are weary of their legislative labours, and with as
soon as possible after the Coronation to disperse over the
country. We apprehend that the public fully share their
feeling of weariness, and would not be sorry to change the
hope that something may be done next Session, for the cer-
tainty that little or nothing will be done this. We tolerate
the length of even Richardson's novels for the sake of
amusement ; but endless talk about business, which leads
to no performance, excites something like disgust. The pub-

lie is as weary of the House as the House is weary of its
labours, and though there is not the slightest reason from past
experience to suppose that the next session will differ from
that now drawing to a close, yet, as it has not yet been tried,

and as hope always predominates over the untried and un-
. known, the public would now willingly see this session
brought to a close.
One of the measures which remains to be disposed of is
the Tithe Bill for Ireland. We mentioned yesterday, in
addition to the many meetings which have already taken

place in other counties, that there had been alarge meeting in
Queen's County. At every one of these meetings resolutions

have been passed, declaring that nothing short of the abso-
lute and unconditional abolition of tithes will satisfy the
people. We think their decision just, and have not the
smallest doubt that they will be ultimately successful.
There is not the least chance, therefore, that Lord JOHN
RUSSELL'S plan will settle the tithe question to the
satisfaction of the people. To carry it forward will
only provoke discontent. Is was, however, stated in the
House of Common, on the 14th and 15th of May, by
Lord STANLEY, Mr. SHAW, and Sir ROBERT PEEL, that
the clergy of Ireland are at present perfectly well satisfied
w;th their condition. The Protestant landlords, we pre-
sume, pay them, and the Clergy like them as pay-
masters much better than the occupiers. Now as
the Clergy are contented, and as the proposed
scheme would only dissatisfy the bulk of the Irish, it would,
in our estimation, be wisdom in the Ministry to let it, with
other things, lie over till next Session.
There is no particular call on them to deal with the sub-
ject, as the parsons are fully satisfied. They neither cause
the evils of the system, nor did the attempt to improve it
originate with them. The people, by their resistance to it,
are the authors of the attempt, and they should be allowed
in our judgment to complete their own work. Ever since
the Legislature first took the matter in hand, under the
guidance of Lord STANLEY, it has only added to
the mischief. It has taken an additional million
sterling out of the pockets of the public to give the Irish
psrlorie, and it has neither settled the question nor satis-
fied the Irish. If the experience of the last eight years be
not altogether discarded as worthless, the Ministers should
withdraw their tithe measure, as relating to a matter which
there is no hope the Parliament can settle.
Some of our readers may ask us how the Clergy are to
be provided for ? We answer, let the Protestant landlords
provide for them—let them be provided for by the volun-
tary contributions of their congregations as the Dissenting
ministers and the Catholic priests are provided for. They
will then learn to love their flocks. There was a time when
we thought it was the duty of the State to take care at
least of the present generation of the Irish clergy ; but
their recent conduct has altered our opinion. They have
laboured so zealously and so successfully to prevent all settle-
ment of the tithe question—they have, with such un-
christian malice, persecuted their Catholic fellow subjects—
they have sought so pertinaciously to excite discord and
hatred amongst different classes of the people, that wehave
come to regard them as public enemies, and consider
that it would be a public wrong to provide for them.

We are very glad to observe the unanimity of opinion
which prevails between Mr. WALLACE and the CHAN.
CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, relative to the injurious effect
of the toll monopoly on the road between Dublin and
Limerick. It is now several months since we—following
up some observations made by the Hon. Member for
Greenock relative to the exorbitant tolls collected upon
this great line of road—endeavoured to direct public
attention to the consequences of such a tax as regarded the
internal trade of Ireland ; and therefore it is not without
much gratification that we find the Government resolved
upon the introduction of a Bill for the correction of this
abuse in the course of the ensuing session. A Bill autho-
rising the collection of the present rates of toll will shortly
pass both Houses, but its operation will be limited to one
year, in order that the country may be prepared for some
measure of reform. Too much praise cannot be given to
Mr. WALLACE for the zeal with which he continues to
direct his attention to the effecting of a speedy and cheap
intercourse between all parts of the United Kingdom.
Instead of frittering away his time, as half the Members of
the House of Commons do, with scores of imperfectly un-
derstood subjects, he wisely confines himself to the effecting
of one great measure of reform, which he knows to be
equally within the sphere of his knowledge and his power
successfully to achieve. Were his example generally fol-
lowed, more well-considered measures of reform would be
effected in one Session of Parliament than would other-
wise be in six—each of as many years' duration.

The subject of Church Extension in Scotland was
brought under the consideration of both Houses of Parlia-
ment last night, on the presentation of petitions from the
General Assembly, complaining of the deficiency in the
Church accommodation, and praying for a grant of the
public money. Lord MELBOURNE stated that it was not
the intention of her MAJESTY'S Government to bring for-
ward any measure for extending Church accommodation in
Scotland this session, and that they had seen no reason to
depart from the views which they had adopted, and which
had been announced to the House on a former occasion. The

petition of the Assembly was lauded and magnified by Lord
ABERDEEN, who took upon himself to declare that it was
adopted unanimously, which is not the fact. No opposi-
tion was made to the petition ; but that is a very different
thing from its being approved of by every Member of the
Assembly, as the Noble Lord wished it to be understood.

It is in the highest degree satisfactory to find that Lord
MELBOURNE remains firm to his purpose of not giving a
single farthing of the public money to the Church of Scot-
land. Such funds as are legitimately available for the wants
of that Church, namely, unexhausted teinds, and the teinds
and rents formerly enjoyed by the Scottish Bishops will be
given up, as far as they may be required, to supply any
deficiency that may be found in the means of religious
instruction in country parishes, due regard being had to
the interests of those individual Clergymen who have prior
claims on these funds. But it is to be borne in mind that
no case of religious destitution, or anything approaching
to it, has yet been made out. So far from it, there is in
in Edinburgh and Glasgow a superabundance of religious
accommodation—a supply far exceeding the demand,
as is evident from the vast number of unlet sit-
tings, both in the churches established by law, and in the
chapels belonging to the Dissenters. It may not perhaps
suit the dignity of Dr. CHALMERS, the great spiritual
O'Connell of Scotland as he calls himself, to include the
Dissenting chapels among places of worship, of which any
account is to be taken in estimating the quantum of religious
accommodation which to be found in Scotland ; but we
can assure the Reverend Champion of intolerance that the
people at large, who take a common sense view of these
things, and out of whose pockets he would take the money
for endowing his new superfluities, entertain a totally dif-
rent view of the subject. Nothing will ever persuade them
that there is any necessity for new churches, while the old
ones are many of them half empty.
A little bit of a scene occurred on the presentation of the
Assembly's petition in the Commons. It was discovered
that the venerable Assembly had committed a fatal blun-
der in praying for a grant of money without having first
obtained her MAJESTY'S sanction. This was an informality
which could not be got over, and the petition, very much
to the mortification of a certain party, was consequently
rejected.

The House of Commons adjourned last night at half-
past nine o'clock, and sometime previously the CHANCEL-
Lon of the EXCHEQUER postponed the Sugar Duties ques-
tion till Monday. We take that postponement to be signi-
ficant of a doubt on his part whether he can carry through
his proposition to reduce the bounty only 7s. per cwt. on
the average, or little more than one-sixth, instead of abo-
lishing it., as proposed by Mr. CLAY, and postponing the
commencement of the reduction to Oct. 10, instead of
causing the abolition to take effect from the sth of next
month. We hope it is so, because both the public and the
revenue would be served by Mr. CLAY'S proposition being
adopted. On such a question many of the usual sup-
porters of Ministers will be against them. The Tories
are under no obligation on pretext of keeping up the
revenue to support them ; the landed gentlemen, who
are rather notorious for making laws to fill their own pockets,
have an interest adverse to the bounties ; and there remains
in fact only the West India interest on which the Minis-
ters can rely, to enable them to bestow the public money
on the sugar owners. The planters are not, in consequence
of their conduct towards the negroes, a popular body ; they
have already dipped.too deeply in our pockets ; they are
not all ranged on the Treasury Benches, and we cannot
therefore see a single motive which the Ministers have for
not acceding to Mr. CLAY'S motion. From the postpone-
ment of the question last night we infer that Mr. CLAY
will be successful, and that the CHANCELLOR of the Ex-
CHEQUER and the PRESIDENT of the BOARD of TRADE
are sensible that they must not sacrifice the public interest
to enrich the sugar growers.

In the CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER'S speech on this
subject this day week, he read a statement to the House to
this effect :—On 9,121 cwt. of Muscovado sugar to be re-
fined a duty was paid of 245. per cwt., yielding to the re-
venue a sum of 10,9451. It produced 6,696 cat. of double
refined sugar, on which at 435. 2d. per cwt. the Crown
paid as bounty 14,4521. 1,216 cwt. of Bastards, on which
at 241, per cwt. the Crown returned 1,439/. On the
treacle and dirt remaining the Crown paid nothing,
making the whole EIMI it returned to the refiner of
the 9,121 cw-t.of Moscovado sugar 15,9111. Deducting
the duty paid, the balance against the public was
4,966/., which is equivalent to a clear bounty of 10s. 10d.
above the duty on every cwt. of raw sugar. Now
the CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER proposes to re-
duce the bounty on refined sugar one-sixth, or en tho
average 75., and one-sixth of the duty, 245., is 4s. per cwt.
According to his own statement, therefore, he will still
leave a clear bounty, equivalent on every cwt. of raw sugar
refined of Gs. 10d., and of 9s. at least on every cwt. of
double refined sugar. For all the purposes of commerce and
for the public benefit, he might as well leave the bounty as
it is. His reduction will still enable the refiner to export
double refined sugar ; the price will be kept up in the market,
and the public will continue to be swindled by legislative
legerdemain out of two or three millions annually.

It now turns out, we believe,-that the CHANCELLOR of
the EXCHEQUER did not make the concessions to the
Drogheda deputation, regarding the renewal of the Bank
of Ireland Charter, for which he very generally got credit ;
and that he merely confined himself to a qualified opinion,
leaving the matter in the hands of the Joint Stock Bank
Committee. Now, this may be the case, but it strikes us
as strange, that Mr. O'CoNNELL, who formed. one of the
deputation, should have so far misunderstood the CHAN-
CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER'S views, as to afterwards have
given a sort of authentic currency to the rumour, by an-
nouncing at a General Meeting of the Proprietary of
the National Bank, that the monopoly was in future
to be confined to Dublin, and a circle of five miles
round it. It now seems that the Mayor of , Drog-
heda and his colleagues, (whom we believe to hate
bean as inefficient Ambassadors as could have well
been sent from any unfortunate locality upon so momen-
tous an errand), have walked up the hill with about the
same success as a certain King of France is once reported
to have done, and that no beneficial results are likely to
attend their mission. 'We have been told that the good
Mayor was so annoyed that his own august name had not
been with becoming respect announced in the Court Cir-
cular, that he forgot every other matter in pondering over
this one great calamity. The deputation from the City of
Dublin—a very different sort of body by the way—are to
have an interview with the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER upon the business to-day, and we trust, and indeed
expect, that they will, from their knowledge of business,
and the influence which they will bring to bear upon
the question, be able to achieve something more useful
than has yet been effected. We do not think it right
that statements of public men should be given in a garbled
and distorted shape to the• world ; at the same time we
would remind the CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER that
he will acquire a good deal of reputation, or positive unpo-
pularity, by the mode in which the Bank of Ireland Char-
ter may be definitively settled. Already there are many
murmurs, we can assure him, respecting the method in
which the evidence taken before the Joint Stock Commit-
tee, even for instance yesterday, when Mr. WILSON the
Governor of the Bank of Ireland was examined, to esta-
blish no less a point than that the last panic was consider-
ably diminished, in consequence of there having been not
more than one bank of issue in Dublin ; it would have been
but fair play to have intimated to those now in town who
are deeply interested in the affair, in order that they might
have had an opportunity to furnish such questions as would
have best elicited the truth. We cannot conclude with-
out drawing public attention to what appears to us to be
the unanswerable petition of the citizens of Dublin ; it is a
document which will repay perusal ; and we imagine the
advocates of the Bank of Ireland will have some difficulty
in rebutting the charges contained in it.

Since writing the above the following Deputation, con-
sisting of Members of Parliament, waited on the CHAN-
CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER :—Lord Brabazon, Henry
Chester, Esq., Sir W. Somerville, Thomas Wyse, Esq.,
Daniel O'Connell, Esq., Joseph Hume, Esq., George
Evans, Esq., H. Bridgeman, Esq., Fitzstephen French,
Esq., Morgan John O'Connell, Esq., and several others ;
also Thomas Dixon, Esq., Ignatius Callaghan, Esq., \Vil-
liam Hodges, Esq., James Dwyer, Esq., Jeremiah Durme,
Esq., accompanied by Paul L. Patriot, Esq.
The Deputation, we understand, were received cour-
teously by the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, and the
objects stated by Messrs. HODGES and CALLAGHAN.
Messrs. O'CoNNELL and HUME, in firm and bold lan-

guage, insisted on the right of the citizens of Dublin to
equal privileges in banking with the Bank of Ireland, and a
very interesting discussion ensued ; the result appeared to
be, that opportunity would be given to the citizens of Dub-
lin to examine witnesses before the Committee.

Unless the American Government adopt some different
method for punishing the aggressions of " patriots" on the
Canadian frontier than that which appears to be sanc-
tioned by the existing laws, we can see no prospect of se-
curity for the people of Canada, or of an amicable arrange-
ment of the points at issue between the two Governments.
According to the laws of the States, it appears that the
punishment of offenders was not left to the executive, as
in other countries, but to a jury, composed of citizens, who
had an interest in the success of the accused, and who pro-
bably furnished them with the means to attack and plunder
their neighbours. If the same system were adopted on the
other side, a continued state of warfare must be the inevit-
able result. It would have been as reasonable to expect
that the ARMSTRONGS and attozs, on the " debateable
land," would have punished the Scottish borderers, who
lived by plundering the English, as it would be to suppose
that the men of Buffalo and Detroit will find true bills
against any one of the lawless borderers that infest the
Canadian boundary. The Americans themselves—those
not infected with the Canada fever—seem astonished at
the acquittal of the two leaders of the plundering army,
but we can see no cause for astonishment. On the con-
trary, it would have bee❑ matter of astonishment had there
been any other result. The system is an utter mockery of
the law of nations ; and unless Congress pass some Act
which will place the Government of the United States on a
footing with those of other civilized nations, they can expect
only war, or something as bad, wherever they come in con-
tact with other countries. The affair of Texas well illus-
trates the principle on which their system of international
law is founded. Congress came to a resolution not to an-
nex that country to the Union. The Senate of Texas, as
it is called, have set them at defiance, and rejected the re-
solution of the House of Representatives. When the
question of the boundary line is settled between England
and the United States, the Government of the latter will
find themselves in the same position as regards the Senates
of Maine and Vermont ; for it has been plainly intimated,
that unless the line is drawn according to their wishes they
will not adhere to the arrangement. Lord DURHAM will
find these circumstances not the least of the. impediments
to the difficult task which he has undertaken ; and he will
discover that unless the Central Government give assurance
that treaties will be enforced, it will be in vain to attempt
any settlement. We shall otherwise be obliged to keep up
a large force in Canada, and the two countries will remain
in a feverish state, as at present, till some violent collision
takes place, and ends in war.

The Honourable Member for Galway (Mr. LYNCH),
has published an excellent address to his constituents in
support of the Irish Poor-law Bill. We have not space,
and fortunately there is now no urgent occasion, for making
such extracts from this pamphlet as we should have felt
it serviceable to Ireland to make, had it attracted our
notice before the Irish Poor-law Bill was so favour-
ably received by the House of Lords. Mr.
LYNCII takes precisely the same view of the Poor-law
Bill that we did from the commencement. He regards
it as imperfect, but contends that its imperfections arc ca-
pable of easy amendment, whereas the advantages which
it will confer on Ireland are priceless. " While ensuring
relief to the poor," he observes, " this measure will create
a motive among all classes made liable to poor-rates, which
cannot fail to promote efforts for improving the social
corvlition of the labouring classes—namely, self-interest.
This motive will combine landlords and tenants, Pro-
testants and Catholics, now driven apart by mis-
taken views, to unite for the common weal, and
the ends of good Government. And while this mea-
sure will lessen the heavy burden of pauper-relief now
pressing on the poorer landholders and traders, by diffusing
it over property, thus enforcing contributions from our
absentees, the owners of property ill obtain a controul in
the administration of relief, which at present they cannot
acquire or exercise, although the value of their estates is
actually curtailed by the pauper charge. I trust that
no consideration whatsoever will now defer the progress of
this Bill, and that, in the deliberations of the Upper House
of Parliament, its details may, if possible, be rendered still
more adequate to its great and salutary object—the relief
of all classes of the destitute poor in Ireland." These re-
marks are in the very spirit of the arguments which we have
been for years in the habit of employing, in support of
some such Bill for Ireland, as the one now on the table of
the House of Lords.

The Parrs Journals of Thursday have al! been received,
but they do not contain any domestic news of interest. The
eyes of the French Journalists arc naturally turned towards
England, in which, of course, it is expected that every
day will reveal something new about the Coronation. The
whole of the latest advices from Spain are summed up in
the following extracts :

FRONTIER OF SPAIN.
(Private Correspondence of the Constitutionnel.)
Hallo, JUNE I2.—The Carlists are collecting all their troops at two
points, Tolosa and Estella, in order to keep our Generals in a state of
uncertainty. Espartero has his head-quarters here, and is thus able to
protect all points that are threatened.
All the corps which are in Castille, except that which is under the
command of Zurbano, will go and join Oraa, who has or,:ers to attack
Cabrera.

BAYOtiNg, JUNE 16.—Don Carlos was at Tolosa yesterday.
The Journal du Havre gives an account of the attempts to assasi.
nate General Ingerac, which differs but little from that already pub.
fished. The General had the jaw completely shattered, but he is not
dead. The assassin has escaped, but it is be!ie,.ed that he will bo soon
taken. There is nothing particu'ar in this affair •itis an act of private
revenge, such as are happily very rare among us. The country is
perfectly tranquil.

The Carlist correspondence of Bayonne of 17th, continues to affirm
that the Pretender is making preparations to re-take the line of Ernani.
It was even supposed that the attack of this place would commence on
the 20th of June, but all these statements arc merely reports, without
any foundation. Manuel Arregui, an accomplice of Munagorri, having
been condemned to death by the Military Commission of Guispuscoa,
the Pretender has pardoned him. M. Armand Laity, cx Lieutenant
of Artillery, and author of an historical narrative under the title of
Prince Napoleon at Strasburg, was arrested at flu e o'clock this morning at
his lodgings, rue Feydeau, N 0.30. The Diariodeßoma 9th inst. announces
that Ahrriest Fethi Paella, Turkish Ambassador Extraordinary to his
Majesty the King of the French, arrived et Rome on the Bth.
We learn that the numerous witnesses in the affair of General de
Brossard, both in France and Algiers, have been summoned to appear
in person at Perpignan on the 20th of August next, on which day the
proceedings before the Court Martial will commence.
In the sitting of the Chamber of Deputies yesterday, the Order of
the Day was the continuation of the debate on the Budget of the Ways
arrt Means for the year 1835-39. After various observations of dif-
ferent Members, the whole was put to the vote and agreed to by a
majority of 248 to 37. Le Commerce.

Subjoned are extracts from South American Papers re-
ceived this morning. The next arrivals are likely to be
very important :

(From the Correia Official, April 21.) •
Rio DL JANIE RO.— Accounts from the province of Rio Grande do
Sul, to 13th March, are favourable. A letter from Porto Alegre
gives the important information that the rebel force, under the corn.
mind of Jose Marcono de Matos, and which had abandoned the siege
of that place, had been encountered and completely defeated by Colonel
Loureiro, who has made seventeen officers and a great number of the
rebels prisoners, above seventy killed remaining on the field of battle.
Our loss was next to nothing, because the rebels, being surprised when
they were preparing to charge our people, the swords of the Imperialists
were upon them. You may be assured that the chief force of the
rebels is totally defeated. Further, the April letters from Porto
Alegre, ofthe 15th and 16th March, state that a very considerable portion
of the province was under the legal authority. The Government forces
were
had fled from advantageously
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postedagu a r
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points; the traitor Bento Ma-
noel
precipitation on the approach
of the Government troops, that he abandoned parts of his baggage ; and
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be completely
exerting themselves restored in the
to procure his re election by the province ; but the general opinion was
favourable to the Regent, ad interim, and to the two Ministers, Torres
and Calmon.
APRIL 17.—Accounts from Desterto, in the province of Catarina, to
the 04th of March, gives deplorable accounts of immense damage in
that town and neighbourhood by an inundation caused by a prodigious
fall of rain after sixty days' drought.
APRIL 18.—Despatches from Porte Alegro of the 19th March, give
official reports of another advantage gained by the Government troops,
who had on the 17th made themselves masters of Villa do Rio Pardo,
which was occupied by the insurgents under Bento Manoel.
APRIL 21.—This is the day on which the electors of the empire are
to deposit in the electoral urn their votes, which are to decide on the
Regency, and the fate of Brazil.

The Queen Dowager has determined on going to
Malta before the equinox, for eight months, and her Majesty intends
applying for the use of a man-of-war for the occasion. Illadeira was at
one time spoken ef, but the preference is given to Malta, her Majesty
not wishing to spend her income out of the British dominions. Lord
and Lady Sheffield, and the Misses Hudson and Hope Johnston, are the
only persons yet mentioned as about to accompany the Queen Dowager,
who is, we are happy to say, very well at present, but fears the winter
in England.
PARISH OF ST. MARYLEBONE.--At a ineetina
of the Guardians of the Poor, held yesterday, Mr. Joseph in the chair,t
it was unanimously resolved that all the people (about 1,400) in the
workhouse be regaled with roast-beef, plumb-pudding, and strong beer
on the day of the Queen's Coronation. The Vestry intend giving the
same to all the men (about 300) that sweep and water the streets, and
break stones for the -roads, besides their day's pay.
Richard Spoor, Esq., of Sunderland, was pre-
sented to her Majesty at the Drawing-room, on Thursday last,