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THE SUN, _LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 14, 1854.

SHARE MARKETS

IMPERIA

TAMENT.

(THIS DAY.)

Shr. Paid:, RAILWAYS. Leasing Closing Prices Badness
this day. this day
Company.
50 all Bedford and London &
Bletchley.. N. 'Wcst •
St. 100 Buckgliamshi L.&N.W, 99 101
50 all Clydesdale Jc. Caledon 50 —52
St. 1.00 E. Lincoln gr.
6 per cent. Gt.Nrthn. 139 141 140
25 all Glas. Barr. & Caldonian. •
Neils. Direct ..•
25 all Do. New...... Do
25 all Glstr.dt Dn.F r Gt. Westn 30 32
100 all d tlpl. Dk. & New.
Railway & Berw.
50 all 'Hull & Selby Y. &NMd 108 110
25 all Do. 1 Shares. Do 53 54
12 all Do. 4 Shares. Do 26 27
131 all Lon.&Greenw S. Eastern 121 131
20 all Do. Preference Do 216 251
20 100 Lowestoft gr.
4 per cent. Norfolk — --
20 LOU Do. 6 per ct.
all Manch. Batn. L.&N.W.
and Matlock & Midld. 21 3
50 all Midsllesbro' & Stckton &
Redcar Darliugt.
100 all Aidld.Bradfd Nlidland.. 98 100 98i
50 all Northern and
Easternsp.c. E. Count. 59 61 59
50 , Do. 6 per et. Do
50 all Do. Pixeds p s D 0...
25 all Prost. & Wyre L. &N.W
&Lu&Yk
12i 12 Do. Shares. Do
St. 100 Roystn.&llit. GtNorthn 138 142
St. 100 Do.Shepth.St Do l3B 142
25 181 Shef.Roth.ann Lancaah&
Goole g. 5 p.c. Yorksh.
12 9S. Stgiffordsh. K.MClean 2 —1/
50 all WearValleygi Stockt. &
6 per cent... Darlingt.
25 all Do Do 3O 31
St. 100 Wilts&Somrst.r3Westn 95 97

BRITISH RAILWAYS.

RAILWAYS.

Cloning Prices
this day.

Btuiinees done 1 St.
this day. 50

.00 Aberdeen
8 Ambg Nottng. Bost
and Eastn. Junet
all Belfast & Ballymena
all Birming, Wolvert. &

Stour Valley ...... • • •
23 Birkenhd.

Cheshire Junet
all Do. Chesil. & Birk ,
£5O and £25 Cons.
184 Do., ......
30 Blyth &Tyne original
£25 (issd. at £4.5)
100 Bristol and Exeter...
100 Caledonian
all Chester & Holyhead.
all Cork and Bandon...
all Cork, Black, & Pass
12 Cornwall
6 Crieff Junction
45 Dubliu&BelfastJuuc
all Dundee Perth&Aber

deep Jandtion
all Do. New.
all East Anglian
all Do., (EIS E& H)
all Eastern Counties
all Eastern Union, A
Stock
100, Do., B. Stock, ....... .
86 Do., New
100 East Lancashire
[OO Edinburgh & Glasgow
Edinb. and Peebles
1.00 Edin. Prth. & Dundee
1 ,orth & Clyde June.
100 ,llasgow &S. Weste ri,
100 Great Northern Stk.
100 Do., A. Stock
100 Do., B. Stock
IOU Gt. Sth. &lVest.(lre.)
100 Great Western ...
12 Irish South-Eastern
all Lancaster & Carlisle
11' Do., Thirds
2 Do. New Thirds
100 Lancash.and.Yorksh
17;1 Do., Fifths
11 D Wst. Riding Un
all Leeds Northern
all Liv.Crsby.&Southpt
all London & Blackwall
8a Loud. Tilb. & Sthend.
100 Loud. Bright &S. Cst.
100 Lond. and N. Westn.
12 Do. Fifths
1 D0.101.5h.,M&8...0
2 Do. Eighths
100 London and S. Westn
Do., £5O
34 Do., £4O
all Lnndrry&Coleraine'
all Lndndrry. & Ennisk.'
100 Nianch.Shef.& Lincln
4 Do., Dian. & Liu. Un
100 Midland
,100 Do. Birmng. & Derby
47 Midld. G. West. (I re.)
17 Do. Half Shares
all Newcastle & Carlisle.
100 Newmarket
5A Do., Bury Extension.
17A, Nwpt.Aberg. &Hrfd.
7,3 Newry & Enniskillen
all Newry Warrenpoint
and Rostrevor.
100 Norfolk
3A Northn.Counties Un
1100 North British
16 North Devon, No. 1
111 Do., No. 2
all Do., A Deferred
8 Do., B Guaranteed
all North London
4 Do. New £lO
I/ is N.&S.Wstrn.,Hamp-
stead, and City Jrt
171 North Staffordshire
all North Western
10 N. &S. Westru. June.
1 Nuneaton, Hinckley,
and Leicester
100 Oxford, Worcester,&
Wolverhampton
212 s Portsmouth
100 Scottish Central
100 Scottish Midland
100 Shrewsbury & Bit mg
100 Do. L. &N. Western
Guaranteed Stcbk
10 Shrcwsby. & Hoz efcl
all Shrewsby.
(N. W. Min ;
all Do. Halves, . S.
all Do. Oswestry
6/ Shropshire Union
Do. A, B, C,& D,fully
paid up at per cent
all South Devon
100 South Eastern
all South Wales
15 S. Yrksh. 4; Riv. Dun
5 Do
21 2s Staines, Wok &Wok
all Stockton & Darling
Stockton & Hartlepl
100 Taff Vale
8 Do. £lO shares
100 Do. Pref., No. 1
20 Thames Haven Dock
and Railway
17 Vale of Neath
all Waterfd. & Kilkenny
all \Vaterford&Limerick
14 West Cornwall
1 %Vest End of London'
and Crystal Palace
all West London
51s. Wimbledn & Croydon
100 YorkNewetl.&Berw.
20 Do. Extensions
131 Do. G.N.E. Purchase
100 York &N. Midland

684
8
4}
49

PREFERENCE SHARES.

100 lberdeen
100 Do. No. 2,7 p. c
30 BlythandTyne 10 per
c. pref. (issd. at 50/)
100 Bris. & Ex. 4p. c. St.
5 Do. 4p. c. Shares
100 Caledonian £lO
all Chester & Holyhead
Guar. 5i per cent
64 Cork &Bandons4p.c.
all Dundee Perth &Aber-
deen Junction
all EastAnglian (£3los)
6 per cent
all Do. (£5) 7 per cent.
2 Do. (£7 17s) 7 p. c.
all Eastern Counties Ex-

..- ..•

tension, 5 p. c. No
all Do. No. 2
all Do. New 6 p. c. St.
all Eastern Union, Scrip
Guar. 6 per cent ..,
all Do. 51., 10 per cent,
all Do. 101. Debentr.Sh
100 East Lancash. 6p. cts
all East and West York
shire June. Pref...
all Edinl)Prth.&Dundee
5. per cent.
100 Glasgow &S.Western
Guar. 5 per cent. .
100 Great Northn. sp. c.
100 Do. sp. c. Redeem.,
at 10 p. c. prem
10 Do. 4A p.c. Scrip
6 Gt.N. of Scot. Ist Fret
all Gt, Southn.&Westm.
(Ireland) Eighths)
4 Do. 4 per c. Pref. Sh.
6 lit. Westu. (Berks
Rants Ex. 5 p. c)
100 Do. coy. red. 4. p.c.
100 Do. con. red. 4p. a.
100 Do. irred. 4p. c
6 Lan. & York. P. £2O
100 Do. 6 p. c. Stock
13 Leeds N. ti p. c. No. 1
9 Do. Quarters, 1848...
100 London and Briglitoy
Guaranteed 5 p. c
)00 Do. Pref., sp. c. St.
all Do. Convertible, sp.
c., 1852
100 Do. New Guar.6 p. c,
100 Lon. &N. W., Coy. &I
Nuneaton
5 London &S. Western
Con. Thirds
A all Londonderry& Color.
Shares
A all Londy. & Ennis. Sh
all \lan., Shef., & Lin ,
Shares, No. 1.
all Do. New, £lO
Do. £6
I, all Nlarypt .&Carl.4 p.c.
lall Do. 4{ per cent
10A Do
▪ 100 Consol.6 p.c.St
▪ 100 Do. Consol. Bristol &
Birm. 6 per cent....
it 5 Do. Pref. 41 per cent
) 6 Norfolk Debenture ..
t. 100 Do. Prof. 4p. c. Stock
t. 100 Do 5 p.c. Ext
t. 100 Do. 5A per ct.pref
t. 100 Do. Way. Val. sp. c
t. 100 North British
0 all North Staffordshire
t. 100 Oxford, Worcester, &I
Wolverh. Xl5 , 6 p.c.'

WEST SUSSEX ELECTION. —The election of a repre
sentative for the western division of the county of Sussex
in the place of Mr. Prime, who had resigned, as stated,
on account of ill health, took place yesterday (Monday),
at Chichester. The entire proceedings occupied but
little time, the election being apparently a matter of
form, Mr. Wyndham having been some years since
selected as the representative of the division by three
families already named ; Mr. Prime merely going into
Parliament as a stopgap until the member elected yes-
terday should arrive at years of discretion.
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CURED OF RHEUMATISM BY HOLLOWAY'S OINTMENT
AND PILLS.—This e!ficer, who is in the Dutch army,
states that Holloway's Pills and Ointment have cured
him of rheumatism, which appeared to be incurable, as
neither sea-bathing, vapour-baths, nor preparations vaunted
as sure remedies, did him any good, and the treatment of
the doctor, after several months' trial, was without suc-
cess. At this juncture ho commenced taking these Pills.
and rubbing the Ointment into the complaining parts
twice a day, which effectually cured him in the course of
six weeks. The truth of this statement can be vouched for
by Mr. J. B. Stratman, of Bois-le-Duc.----Sold by all drug-
gists ; and at Professor Holloway's establishment, 244,
Strand, London.
[ADVERTISEMENT.]—Fifty thousand Cures have been
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by Du Barry's Food in a very short time. W. R.
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instructions, 11b., 2s. 9d. ; 21b., 4e. 6d. ; 51b., lle.
121 b., 225. ; super-refined, 51b., 225. ; 101 h., 33e. The
lffih. and 121 b. carriage free. Barry Du Barry and Co.,
77, Regent-street, London ; also, Fortnum, Mason, and
Co., -purveyors to her Majesty, Piccadilly.

15 Do
all Scot. Cont. , New Pref
all Shrews. &Birm.N.G.
all Shrewsby. & Chester
(Nor.W.Min), 8 p.c.
10 Do. 5 per cent
all South Devon
1i Do. fixed, 4.i per cent
all S. Eastern (Reading
Ann.) of Os. 6d.
100 Do. 4Apez cent.
all S. Yorksh.4p.c.Guar.
all Stockton and Dar-
lington, 4 per cent.
5 Do. do. do.
all Stockton and Hartle-
pool, guar. 5 p. c.
till Ist July, 1856
3 Waterfa.&Kilk.6p.e.l
100 York, Newcastle,and'
Berwick ,4 p.c. Pref.

5 Do
10 York&N. Midlandl.
and S, Purch

which at present return representatives ; without includ-
ing the metropolitan boroughs, for we have considered the
nothing but the means necessary for the defence of the borough of Salford, with more than 80,000 inhabits ate
' country. But, much as I abhor war, much as I deprecate
metropolitan boroughs as parts of one great city, and not
the evils of war, I confess I do net view war with that ap-
, tasiso
n —andseparate
ttoo weancsho fo
ft ht e 1 ( h from the' •
HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.)
prehension with which some hon. gentlemen seem to regard I-
it. I can conceive that we should be able to provide all
THE FRENCH AND ENGLISH FLEETS.themselves—(cheers ves— c eers Opposi-
allwben,pce
have amlsoorettohatieg one
heeseeitlowns we propose to give one
Mr. LAYARD—I wish to put two questions to the the means necessary to carry on war with vi our —and, if ' additional member. W
000
noble lord the member for the city of London, of which I carried on at all, it ought to be carried on gwith vigour—
inhabitants each—Birkenhead, Staleybridge, and Burnley.
have given him notice, and, as considerable importance (cheers)—and, at the same time, have full time for delibe- Member to each of three towns
;We shall then propose—what has been often asked—that
attaches to one of these questions, I trust the house wil ration on those of our domestic concerns which appear most 1 Kensington and Chelsea shall be formed into a borough,
allow me shortly to state its nature. I have to refer the to require consideration. (Hear, hear.) This aePrehen- ' and that two members shall be sent to Parliament from that
house to a despatch which has appeared in the papers ad- Ilion of our being unable to attend to those topics from the 1 district.' (Cheers.) There is another kind of representation
dressed by Lord Clarendon to Lord Cowley, dated the 16th time war should be declared—if unfortunately war should I which has been often advocated, and which w
of December.: From that despatch it appeared that M. be declared—this idea that there is such danger in Russian
Drouyn de Lhuys had inquired of our ambassador at Paris armaments and forces, appears to me, I ' the Inns of Court. (Cheers, and laughter.) I know some
least in some degree, to recommend. I will arleonsealoan
confess one of '
parts
of
cowardice,
nanuidnbcoerntoifninazy
1 hon. gentlemen think that we have already &sufficient
as to the nature of the instructions, given to our ambas- those thoughts which may be describd as having, in •
sador at Constantinople with regard to the fleets, as it ap. only one part of wisdom and three ecrisieebilnths
own
hter,and
persuasion loud
peered that some disagreement had occurred between I must say it does not affect me. (Hear, hear.) I, there- I that, when we have putthe representation in the posot
Lord Stratford de Radcliffe and Admiral Dundee. Lord fore, now proceed to consider what it is we should do I in which we propose to place it, it would be most bens-
Clarendon replied, that no instructions had been issued to with respect to the present state of our representation 0;
fiicciatlhtehatcownne
tsryhourledtuhrnaveedtwtoo of the mhoonsstee;msinnednlt lawyers
Clarendon
her Majesty's ambassador at Constantinople or to the but I will first refer to a document whichl think will i while, of course, lawyers would have as good a chance as
British admiral but those which were in possession of the at least show the house the progress we have made since I any other candidates, if not a better, in boroughs in gene-
French Government ; and that those instructions were that a period I have lately adverted to—viz., 1793, in attain- ral—(laughter)—that the lawyers who belong to the Inns
the admiral should " comply with any requisitions in re- ing the object of a fair and fall representationof the of Court would take a pride in choosing two of the most
Bard to the movements and operations of the fleet under people. In a petition presented to this house" then eminent of their profession to represent them in this house.
1 I cannot but think, and lam sure the house will agree
his orders which he might receive from her Majesty's am- of the Association of the Friends of the Paine 1 I afiransl.
bassadon'a At this date, therefore, there was some die- several statements which I will repeat, in order that this 1 with me, that it is a very great advantage to us to have
agreement between our ambassador at Constantinople and House may see how different was the condition of the I some most eminent lawyers to assist in our debates ; and,
the admiral of the fleet ; and I have heard from a good presentation in those days from its condition at re- if we are in any degree liable to be misled with regard to
source that this disagreement had become a matter of The petitioners stated that at that time 70 mema3rsresen ' legal doctrines by those who have not enjoyed so much ex-
public notoriety and that it had left a painful impression. returned by burgage tenure—electors none. In 185lenreo parlance and who have not attained the same eminence,
(Hear, hear.) The other evening the hon. member for member was so returned. They stated that 90 members the opinions given by the first lawyers of the day are sure
Roscommon addressed a question to the noble lord. It were returned by places where the number of electors did to sway the house and to prevent its being led to adopt
appears that her Majesty's ambassador had ordered the not exceed 50. There are now no members so returned. erroneous views. We propose, therefore, to give two
fleet into the Black Sea, but that Admiral Dundas had They stated that, besides 160 so returned, 37 were returned members to the Inns of Court. We propose, likewise to
since returned to Constantinople, though on his way there by places where the number of voters did not exceed 100. give one member to the University of London. (Hear,
he had received by a steamer a despatch from the ambas- There are at present no members so returned. Besides hear.) Considering that the two great Universities—the
sador requiring him to stay where he was. With that re- these 197, they also stated that 52 were returned by places Universities of Oxford and Cambridge—are so much con-
quest, however, he declined to comply, and returned to the where the number of voters did not exceed 200. I believe netted
with the church, I think it is only fair that a
Bosphorus. In answer to the question put the other even- that there is not more than one member, at all events, so University which opens its doors to the whole country
ing, the noble lord stated, that such had been the case, returned at present. They stated, again, that 20 members should have the power of sending a member to this house.
for counties in Scotland were returned by less than 100 (Hear, and cheers.) I will state more particularly after-
but that he believed that the conduct of the admiral,
though the ambassador had asked an explanation of electors each, 10 by less than 250 each. There is no mem-
wards the counties and towns to which additional
members will be
it, would be found to deserve the approbation of her ber for a Scotch county so returned at present. They also
given ; but I will now advert to what I
Majesty's Government and the country. I conceive, how- stated that there were 13 districts of burghs not contain- have before mentioned a
defect in the Reform Act which still in this house ,l
remains to be
and what I think
ever, that this answer of the noble lord contained a severe ing 100 voters each, and two not containing 125 each, re-
reflection on her Majesty's ambassador at Constantinople, turning 15 members. This state of things no longer ex- corrected. Hardly any variation took place from the
disfranchise-
and, therefore, I have to ask the noble lord whether the ists. They stated that in this manner 294 members were
first proposal we made with respect to the
ment of boroughs under that act. In the first draught—
fleet has been placed under the orders of her Majesty's chosen, being a majority of the House. Well, instead of the rough draught—l sketched of the Reform Bill, I
ambassador, or whether the admiral has instructions of a these small places returning members to Parliament, there proposed that 50 boroughs should be entirely disfran-
different nature frown those supposed to be given to the are now members returned for Manchester, Leeds, Shef- chised, and that 50 other boroughs should send only
ambassador ? (Hear, hear.) I have also to ask whether field, Birmingham, and other places, which are the seats one member each. Bear.) That proposal was somewhat
he is yet prepared to submit to the house the result of of wealth and industry. (Hear, hear.) They went on to varied, but in the end I think 56 boroughs were disfran-
Count Orloff's late mission to Vienna; and, if not, who- state that there were distinctions which perplexed and chised, and it was provided that 30 should send only one
ther the absence of such information arises from any un- confounded the rights of voting. Those distinctions have member each. The measure eventually adopted varied but
willingness on the part of Austria to give that information, mostly been abolished ; and the rights of voting which are little from the original proposal I had made to the com-
er from any neglect on the part of her Majesty's ambas- established are comparatively easy and simple. They
sador at Vienna ? (Hear.) stated that there were freemen resident and non-resident mittee appointed by Lord Grey to consider the plan of the
Reform Bill • but with regard to the franchise to be '
Lord J. RUSSELL—With respect to the first question —freedom freedom by redemption, by election, and by purchase. given
'consideration took
a great deal of place, even after the
In respect to the right of voting, these distinctions have
which my hon. friend has asked, I have to state that when been abolished. They stated that religious opinions created bill was brought into this house, before the Government
I was asked the other evening a question on this subject an incapacity to vote ; that all Papists were excluded gene- of the day finally made up their minds on the subject. It
was proposed that there should be a 10/. rating ; it was
(though Ido not suppose it was so intended), if I had at rally, and, by the operation of the test laws, Protestant
all faltered in giving a reply, it would have had the effect Dissenters were deprived of a voice in the election of repre thought at one time that the qualification should even be
higher ; but ultimately the qualification was reduced to
sentatives in about 30 burghs, where the election was
of conveying a very serious imputation against a gallant confined to corporate officers alone. The laws excluding and in abolishing, as we did, all those intricate franchises
101. value. Now, I think that in taking that franchise,
admiral now serving on a foreign station. I thought it Roman Catholics have been repealed, and, by the repeal
which then existed, we too much confined ourselves to
necessary, therefore, to reply to that question at once, but of the Test and Corporation Acts, corporations have been
in doing so, I conceive that I did not attach any blame to opened to Protestant Dissenters. They stated that house- sufficiently varied
and did not make the franchise
our ambassador at Constantinople. I said, the ambas- holdersode generally were excluded. At At
rm incetsel,ththe 10/.house-
in the first place, place, thattld be We
aeral
propose,
franchises then,
sador had thought it right to ask an explanation, and in in ScorstlaTdreuperiorit;without property that
gi7jestaatitleto common to the counties and to the towns; and that these
qualifications (as we understood shall entitle a person to
the position in which he is placed I can conceive nothing vote. This is entirely altered by the Reform Act. And )siit n the place in which he resides, whether he be re-
more natural or proper. (Hear, hear.) Bat with respect they stated, lastly, that the polls for counties were taken
den in a county or in a borough. The first qualifies-
to the orders given to Admiral Dundee, they are properly in one place and lasted 15 days. This, too, has been altered, tion we propose is 1001. sale
the orders, not of the ambassador, but of the Secretary of aancodnanntinttainnce occurrede only last Saturday of thei poll for
1 meat, public or private. Ilt7i's derivedproeideellmatasnl.cralaerY;
State for Foreign Affairs. By the orders of the Secretary state these things ton
show
in
on&
day,that greatd an
ilmnpmroavneymnents tave shall be paid half-yearly or quarterly, so that the qualifi-
cation shall not apply to persons who receive weekly wages.
of State for Foreign Affairs, the admiral is told by the been made in the condition of this house as representing
I conceive that this franchise will bring in a very intelli-
ambassador that there are certain services which he is re- the people since 1793. (Hear.) I need scarcely state, be- gent body of men. (Cheers.) The next franchise we pro-
quired to perform ; but the hon. gentleman will see that, amuse the house must have them fresh in recollection, the
pose is 101. a year derived from dividends either from the
in performing such services, Admiral Dundas, as a naval important
e e l measuresaps
ede
n since
hiLli. Irevfoerfnas:‘ecl daring the tlaeedpertod funds, from Bank Stock, or from East India Stock. The
next is a somewhat similar, though a higher qualification
servant of the country, would refer to the means which he the abolition of slavery, the opening of the trade to China,via than that which I proposed two years ago—namely 40s.
had of carrying them into effect, and also to the dangers the reform of the corporations in England, Scotland, and
payment either to the income tax or to the assessed
which he might have to encounter in performing those Ireland, the measures taken for the reform of the tariff,
taxes within the year. (Hear, hear.) Those who pay the
services. (Hear, hear.) Admiral Dundas found, when the repeal of the corn laws, the equalisation of the sugar
income tax will ;receive votes for the present, mini when
he went into the Black Sea, that the anchorage at Sinope duties, and the repeal of the navigation laws. These are they lose their votes they will have the compensation of
was not such as had been represented. He found that the only some of the measures which occupied Parliament dur-
getting rid of the tax. (Cheers and laughter.) We pro
very long nights and the darkness and fogs during the day jug the period that has elapsed since the passing of the Re-
pose, likewise, that graduates of any university in the
were likely to cause accidents tothe ships, and he came to the form Act. (Hear.) Well, then, I come to consider what it
United Kingdom shall have the right of voting, to which
opinion that if he were to remain two months cruising in is that now remains for us to do in order to enable this
e conceive they are entitled by their education and at -
the Black Sea the fleet would be so impaired in its effi- house still more fully to represent the people at large. In
I."'
tainmenes. We propose, also, that any persons having
ciency that he would not be able to perform the service he opening this subject I should state that I think there are
deposits of 501. in savings banks, which have remained in
was so anxious and desirous to discharge. That being the three main defects which either belonged to or were left by
such banks for not less than three years, shall be entitled
case, he returned to Constantinople from Sinope, when as the Reform Act, and which require the serious attention
to rote. I think if the franchise were given to depositors
I have stated, explanations were asked and given. There of this house. The first of these is that, though a very
whose money had been in the banks for a less period than
seems with regard to this question to have been some dif- large disfranchisement took place at that time, there are
three years, there would be considerable danger of the
ference of opinion, but that difference of opinion was not of still several boroughs which hardly contain a sufficient
creation of fictitious votes, but I have no doubt the house
a political but a professional character. (Hear, hear.) Her number of electors to justify- their retaining the power
will concur in the opinion that a bona fide holder of 501. iu
Majesty's Government and the Government of the Emperor of sending members to this house. (Loud cheers.) But,
a savings bank has given a proof of prudence and frugality
of the French have had to to consider the representations in stating that as a defect, and in seeking to amend
which entitles him to a voice in the election of represents-
which have been made to them, and both Governments it, I wish likewise to state that Ido not concur in some
fives. (Hear, hear.) I now come to those franchises which
have given similar instructions with regard to the services of the objections made on this head. I do not concur,
belong exclusively to the counties, and to cities and
to be performed. The admirals are to take the directions for instance, in the opinion that there ought to be
boroughs. With regard to the counties, it may be recol-
of the ambassadors, but with regard to the means of per- anything like an equal number of electors in every place
forming the requisite operations much must be left to the returning members. My belief is, that you would hardly lected that, at the time of the introduction of the Reform
discretionof the admirals themselves. With regard to the get a fair representation of the people without some variety Bill, the Government did not propose to depart in p
second question of my. hon. friend, as to the mission of in this respect in our system. If you only look to the ciple from the general provisions of the constitution—that
Count Orloff, that mission only ceased on the Bth instant, history of the last few years you will find, during the while occupation gave the right of voting in cities and
and, I believe, Count Orloff left Vienna on the 9th ; but continuation of the agitation which existed on the subject
boroughs, tenure should give the right of voting in counties.
there had already been communications with respect to of free trade, that at a public meeting in some aoultu- The 40s. freeholds were added to by copyholders and
that mission between the Austrian and English Govern- ral county great applause was given to those who depicted others who had similar property, but with the exception
ments. I believe, however, it is not usual in unfinished the selfishness and cupidity of the manufacturers, and at- of leaseholders, holding for 31 years, it was not at first pro-
transactions between two Governments—thoughit is some- tributed their efforts for free trade to such feelings. On posed to vary the nature of the right of votingin counties.
times done—to communicate copies of the papers to the other hand, at meetings in great manufacturing towns But during the progress of that bill through Parliament an
Parliament. Ido not believe that my noble friend has the landed aristocracy were held up to odium ; a mono- amendment was proposed and carried, by which all 50/.
any reason to complain of concealment on the part of the poly of power was imputed to them and denounced as a occupiers obtained the right of voting in counties. Now, I
Austrian Government ; and with respect to the object of great evil. There existed, however, a vast number of peo- am far from making any objection to that class of bee.
the mission of Count Orloff, so far as it may be presumed to pie in the country who neither listened to nor believed in occupiers, but it will be seen that this amendment entirely
have been intended to obtain the assistance of Austria, by these representations. A. great portion of the people, con- changed the character and nature of the county franchise
as it had been previously understood, and tended certainly
that country binding herself to a course of conduct pre- slating of many of the most moderate and calm men, justly
to diminish the power of that class which I have always
eceibedby Russia, that mission has entirely failed. (Hear, thought that the landed aristocracy were useful to the
considered one of the best and most independent
hear.) As to anything further, our despatches onlyarrieed country, contributing to the maintenance and stability of
to-day, and I beg to assure the house generally, as well as the free institutions of the State, and who likewise were classes of voters in this country—namely, the 40s: free-
my hon. friend, that, as the Government have produced of opinion that the country derived great benefit from the holders. When that principle, however, we.s once departed
very fully papers on the subject already, they will be pre- industry of the commercial and manufacturing classes. from, reasons were shown why this occupation franchiae
should be extended; and considering that we do not pre-
pared to produce further papers as soon as they are ready. (Hear.) If, then, you were to adopt such a plan of reform
(Hear, hear.) Some little delay will, no doubt, take place, as would give the representation only to counties and large pose to add to any great extent to the number of towns
but as soon as the communications are completed they will cities, you would want that mediating element, that infu- sending members to Parliament—indeed, we only propose
be laid without delay on the table of the house. (Hear.) Ilion of moderation, which is derived from those members to establish three new boroughs, I believe it will be a very
Mr. LAYARD made an observation that was quite in- who are returned b neither counties nor large towns. great advantage to persons who live in towns which have
audible. (Hear.) I think, likewise, that it would be impossible—l not the right of sending members to Parliament, that they
Lord J. RUSSELL said, he meant to cast no reflection will not say whether it would be desirable or not—but I should have a voice in the representation of the counties
think it would be impossible in the present social state of in which they reside. (Hear, hear.) We propose, there-
whatever on our ambassador at Constantinople. (Hear.) fore, to adopt a suggestion which has more than once been
this country, with our law of primogeniture and with the
THE NEW REFORM BILL. great proprietors who are found in this country to attempt made to the house—namely, that 10/. occupiers shall have
Lord J. RUSSELL then rose for the purpose of asking to prevent the influence of those great proprieto'rs affecting a vote for counties. (Cheers.) With respect to that right,
whether in counties or in boroughs, we intend to check an
leave of the house to introduce a bill further to amend the the returns for counties. That is an evil which has been
laws relating to the representation of the people. He said, frequently pointed out as one that ought to be got rid
abuse which has prevailed. Under the words " any build-
-It is usual for speakers, in bringing forward any measure omfrtkbeuttheit
cilltannot wititihlst view I think it necessary to luxe
sd
:fnlelavnateoo7u(fnir Itsher6edwinth,"
makingpersons itiptha
in this house, to magnify the importance of the subject they of the Reform changes
said now
Intlpernese'werAet sthceertne
rent in land, and a species of votersyewara's there ncrneatel
are about to submit to the notice of the house, and of the number of boroughs which, though small, still had a who were never contemplated by the act. (Hear, hear.)
measure which they propose to introduce ; but it is not my sufficient number of electors to enable them to make an We propose, therefore, with respect to this county right
intention to take any such course on the present occasion independenti election. The number of electors which of:aoltling, that—with the exception of a dwelling-house,
On the contrary, I think that the importance of the measure in thmeyn
opinionstated was
st
300.1 bofornhda
several
ld
w —in Ic
all other boroughsat least Havehii, I' maythebrecoaf annesy value dmedustthle,evote
of the livesv a 1 ume oit
lam about to introduce has been already unduly magnified fall below that number. I find, likewise, that thewre are te. a-year. Supposing there is a house and land—the
in public apprehension. The name of a Reform Bill recalls boroughs which, though they exceed in electors the num- house may be rated at 1/. or 21. a-year, provided the voter
resides in it, but if the qualification is made out by any
to recollection a period of great excitement—a period when ber of 300, yet in point of population are not considerable,
the population, in fact, falling below 5,000. I shall pro- ?ther building—a cattle-shed, or any building of that
we deliberated amid the flames of Nottingham and of Bris-
pose, therefore, to deal with the boroughs in that state. kind, then we propose this check, that such building shall
tol, when there was a collision between the two houses of be of the value of 51. a-year. This, then, is the franchise
Proceeding to some other boroughs which are not so small,
Parliament, and when ultimately the measure only passed I find a certain number which have less than 500 electors we propose to give in counties for the future, and the house
with the obviously reluctant assent of the House of Lords. and others less than a population of 10,000, returning two' will see that it has a very considerable bearing upon the
(Hear, hear.) Ido not contemplate that the present mea- members each. I shall propose to deal with these boroughs raestve iotn ofd the increase of the number of members which I
sure will lead to any such excitement, and I trust that it *Y.
double de Pr i :oil: ge themo
1 of ele)tfo rosneanl thoeirul
p members.
nberfinr that thee mentionedt Iwstill'lshall be given
opproospeo.seOtiliattof4e
memberse wlenun-heyl have
will not be passed amid similar difficulties. (Hear, hear.) number of boroughs which havepless this'll 300 electors, or to counties ; but, as these counties will hereafter includeg
It appears to me that we may fairly and duly consider the having 300 electors have less than 5,000 population, are
the 101. householders, it is obvious that the constituencies
will be loss of a special character. (Hear.) It does seem to
provisions of the Reform Act with a view to supply what 19 ; and thmber of embers which thy retun to
Parliament is n 9. The number of boroughs in ther next me that all the endeavours made to run down the agricultu -
is deficient,—to amend that which is in need of correction,
table which have less than 500 electors or less than a po-
ral interest or to run down the manufacturing interest are
and to improve that which stands in need of improvement. pnlation of 10,000, is no fewer than 33. If the first class totally foolish and absurd, and that there can be no better
It appears to me, likewise, that at the present time we of boroughs were entirely disfranchised, and one member system of representation than that which takes into consi-
oan do this with calmness, and, at all events, with delibe- taken from each of the boroughs in the second class, the deration the whole of the great interests of the country—
(hear, hear)—which contribute to its glory and prosperity.
ration, and that we may,modify or vary the provisions of numbers of this house would then be reduced to 2 seats.
The next defect in the Reform Act that I have mention (Cheers.). Now, Sir, I come to the question of the frau-
any measure which is before the house, with a view to c is. of the boroughs. It certainly appears to me that in
is, that I think it has tended too much to divide the couu- h
make it as perfect an act of legislation as possible. (Hear, a, taking the 101. franchise so absolutely as we did in the
try in a way in which it was not before divided—into o
hear.) lam told, however—and the objection is a very polite camps, according as people are connected with land year 1831, we did not make a sufficient provision for the
common one—that we are now ou the brink of war, and or with trade. I think we have seen—what was not the admission of the working classes to the franchise. (Hear,
that Mr. Pitt not only declined to proceed with measures case before—the county members too exclusive, generally, It was not intended as has
bear.). , . • , . been supposed, that
the middle classes should be exclusively the electors in
on their part in respect to the interest they oared for, and
of reform he had formerly introduced, but actually op-cities and boroughs ; but still it was supposed—as has
the members for great cities too exclusive also on their
posed reform when in a position of a similar character. part. Before I proceed to state the mode in which I pro- taken place—that the middle classes would have the greater
Now, if I professed myself to be bound by any master on pose that the 62 seats should be filled up, I will mention portion of the power in their hands, and that they would
have,l in effect, the greatest influence upon the future con-
these political questions, Mr. Pitt would not be that mas- that I think a very great advantage would be derived
from a change, which has been advocated in writings and duet of the legislation and government of this. country-
from
ter ; but Mr. Pitt himself first introduced the subject of ing that desire, I am prepared to maintain the
pamphlets--namely, that there should be a representation t'utertam
Parliamentary reform in 1782, in a period of war, and a given to the minority. (Hear, hear.) In looking over opinions which I formerly expressed. I think it is most
period when he himself represented the country to be in the the numbers that have voted for some of the larger coon- desirable that the middle classes of this country should
have a great influence upon its fortunes ; hut, seeing the
greatest peril from the forces of the combined enemies op- ties and for some of the great cities, I find that there
character of the working classes of this country, seeing
posed to it. But, looking rather to those in whose prin- are 2,000, 3,000, and 4,000 who vote for the unsuccessful
their importance, seeing how much the wealth of the
candidate, while perhaps 100 or 150 more are found
ciples I most cordially agree, I find that in 1793, imme- country depends upon them—(hear, hear)—l think we
on the side of the successful candidate. It pp to
diately after the commencement of war, Mr. Grey pro- us that many advantages would attend the enabling the ought to endeavour to make the door wider—(cheers)—
than it now is. I may be permitted to state to the house
posed to this house to consider the question of the reform minority to have a part in these returns. In the first place,
the views held by Mr. Fox as to the right of voting for
of Parliament. In doing so, he made a remark which I there is apt to be a feeling of great soreness when a very
have often had to make in this house, that there is no time considerable number of electors, such as I have mentioned, members of Parliament.
deprecated/1 eurr, said, inl 1797 :
for the consideration of the question of reform that appears tieneocnoemcpoluent completely
isthmutayo out ftrioiemLsiiLhraarle i n
tthe representation,
t on
n` ‘
accountlh:sve alwayso
the eollfsioll to which-e Sit: trWr aOgllel'inlot
lead,
much.
fit to those who are the opponents of reform. (Hear, hear.)
it may be the Conservative party ; party—in
I:fmtisiegsereealetcntworan cause I think we should in reality lose the veryenobjeacstbvere
If everything is quiet they say—" Can free men be more form y large body, I have been told—l don't know it desire to obtain ; becauset Ithink it would in its nature em-
than free—can men who are happy be more than happy ?" from erectpical experience—that there is a very great irri- barrasisie,a3nrdd.pre
Ivteluo not think
deliberativetb voice of the country from
If, on the other hand, it be a time of war and alarm, they taiaticoen r
tiliingtebraattttbheeir perpetual exclusion. In the next being
five body of the people by countaitn).•'oaullaiigment the delibera-
then appeal to that state of war and alarm as a conclusive P
confined to large populations,moreytoilaiehmavoereyoouugrhrtepyroesen
tent t
take in truth, you confer on individuals 'b'y this theis nhieeaandss ,
tbhieitptohwaet;:
reason against the consideration of the question. (Hear, care that there shall be some kind of balance, and that the oact
drawing
implicitly forth numbers who, without deliberation, would
hear.) Mr. Fox supported Mr. Grey on that occasion. In large places returning members to general. house shall senend
h plan of representation
upon their will. My opinion is, that the best
1797, when the war had proceeded for some time, and there
who represent the community inehNe ve
t osaielwthat the greatest number of is that which shall bring into activity
when its character, as one of the most hazardous and therecoismamvuenrrt large body aexcilLdrleyd,reipt canennted.
Our plan defective which would inbtprreufdoertnht vtoitleois-se, andh that that is
costly in which this country could be engaged, could not would only be yadopteardgewilien three members represent a and condition take from them the power ofw ose situation
deliberation."
t (Hearhear.
be mistaken, Mr. Grey renewed the measure for reform, county or city. Where hat is the case, supposing there
~
and was again supported in a most powerful speech by be a decided majority, ven of 10m0boerrelo5n0, h t thereton
out of the thrjeneriso I think that principle is a sound one, but the difficulty is
Mr. Fox. Nay, more than this, when Mr. Grey became a shouldi at all events have two
miambee two to one on any divi- in applying it. I myself do not at all shrink from saying
pro-
member of the House of Lords, where it is not, certainly, tsioant gatthmisi%u,teal'rte
plow-
g I think, besides, that such a poste
_I think the extension
lof
to 51.
which I
incumbent on any one to introduce the question of the re- provision would have a great tendency to prevent angry go tooct twofar years
eut iast __ _ ago
—henslmmeeyt'imne, I knew that
did not
presentation of the people, he, in 1810, as Lord Grey—in contests. I propose riwarts"ntonxbpelinnwhat manner the would give rise to great objection on the part of those whoi
bringing before the House of Lords the state of the nation— seats I have mentioned are
to filledgentlemenP'
who haveco stated think that would be carrying the franchise to too low a
pointed out the defects of the representative system of this that°l;
metthearen woneeere'places of 6,000 or 7,000 inhabitants which
point, and thatd we should not get the intelligence
country, declared that his principles on that subject were returned as many members as places of 60,000 or 70,000 exntt,lenintdteope :haetnceepi'vn'iown, we turned°b obtain.
our
Yieldingatte nontotos ore
not changed, and though he was, perhaps, less warm and Inhabitants, tittet ifn nwmebwereereoftotaform the representation municipal franchise. Two objections may be urged against
sanguine than he had been, yet he thought a temperate according tea'
n ()Nr 15,000 inhabitants must yield
then a town of the adoption of the municipal franchise. One is, that we
ar .id to the claim of should make municipal electioha always the precursors of
and gradual correction of the abuses of the representative le, ° which have
great counties 200,000, 300,000, or 400,000 Parliamentary elections, and thereby expose municipal
system was necessary in order to restore the country to a inhabitants. I remember the right honourable member boroughs to continual
state of content. At that time the country was in the for Buckinghamshire (Mr. Disraeli) maintaining that other is, that, uniera ecxerctial3nmeanc
tt
matclalgitaastsicodn.t The
greatest danger. The sun of Wellington had not yet risen argumenttivelts hogruseeatd ability, in answer to a proposition three years ago, the rates of all houses underi' a certain
]homy
to its meridian, and Lord Grey depicted in most gloomy s
madeof the Exchequer. Itn ring
the time he was Chancellor value may be compounded for by the landlord, wno thereby
aspupdeairs to me that the argument becomes the sole payer of the rates. I purpose taking the
colours the situation of the country, stating that during
is founded in fairness
the war the burdens of thepeople had risen from 16,000,000/. pose, therefore, to take popunlaiiitiosntigenerally asslitlle sits,nr(ise- ltihmatittilaei(flacdtoowfna imn
athat . act. It
hmo ust be acknowledged
to 80,000,0001. Many men may differ from the op ttaokbeei aptreied in the manner I have stated. We shall gree a proof of independence, isnn 1 ,
anutseo
the o a
oceurtaoi ifi.
the
to
expressed by that noble lord, but no one could doubt
York,nwhict 'sit place the West Riding of the county of value, without intending to say that all persons living in
nearly 800,000 inhabitants, besides the houses of leas than 6/. value are venal, we have determined
the courage, constancy, and consistency of Charles Earl
inhabitants of townsas which are represented. •:CV.e. shall to draw the line there, and to provide that all persons
Grey. (Hear, hear, hear.) That which in the midst
take the county of Lancaster, the southern division of living in houses of above 61. value shall be entitled to vote,
to accom- •
of war he attempted in vain, he lived
told which has, I think, about 500,000 inhabitants. We shall on condition that they have fulfilled the municipal term of
at in a time of peace. (Hear, hear.) Bat lam
that the peculiar position of present affairs makes it emi- we propose to give three members ; and, going on with can be placed on the register, or two years and .Thisot
neatly inexpedient to introduce into Parliament the sues- ct(i)ounnateseanid) with towns, wa shall propose to give an addi- before they can exercise the right of voting.
tion of the state of the representation. I own I cannot see
more thanin lecTo,ooo to eacilnihcatntatLasndleenachwetowehneAvhich hag extension eticietensioornhionf the suffragessi wahriechmwij
remarkable
thosereorlie;r
that. (Hear.) I can very well imagine that
iif we were that, in giving their votes, the electors shall vote parso&ey Bence w and gcoenduccst who
nose who are moat remarkable
-
in the same state of circumstances as existe • 1803—if do at present, only for two candidates out of the three, so for their skill and enterprise in their respective trades,
there were an apprehension of immediate invasion, and 1 that when the minority exceeds two-fifths of the whole and are thereby able to live in houses of better oha-
people were engaged in collecting together militia and 1 number of electors they will be enabled to have one repro- radar than those occupied by the great mass of their
volunteers, and calling upon their neighbours to prepare smenetattive out of theed .itohrreseomwehmo are returned. [This state- fellow-workmen. Theore aesonneecwhargnwellsiepeurpose making
and resist a foreign enemy, I can conceive that then neither of cnonwveasrea`t),ionnwam'ong hon.
members.]
brkae low murmur bothi TriatnhchrieeespectAeteortni g
to the old and the 01l
this subject, nor the state of the University of Oxford, nor of taking this rule will be, that four members will b e representation, when votes sin boroughs were unrikleown,
of the ecclesiastical courts, nor of the laws relating to the added for the West Riding of York, and four for the South persons paying scot and lot had the right of voting. By
Lancashire division, and there will be, I think, 38 for this means the franchise was extended to the lowest
settlement of the poor, would properly engage the atten- ' other counties, making 46 altogether. There also eightclasses; but it was accompanied by this
r. are
tion of this house ; and our thoughts would be directed to •
towns having more than 100,000 inhabitants, and the of the payment of poor rates, which, in process of time,