The Sun.
London, England, 1854-06-27 00:00:00

.Capt. SCOBELL and Mr.
___WILLIAMS respectively ob-
jected to the vote, and called for particulars.
Mr. A. PELLA.TT also objected to the vote, but after a
short discussion it was agreed to.
14,110/., civil establishments on the west coast of Africa.
—Agreed to.
12,4761, establishments in the island of St. Helena.—
Agreed to.
2,3131., establishments at Western Australia.
Mr. J. A. SMITH attempted to raise a discussion with
respect to the Governor of New Zealand; but wan called
to order by the chairtnan. r.-
Sir J. PAKINGTON inqnired why the salary of the
Bishop of New Zealand did not appear in the votes. It
was only 6001. a-year, but he (Sir J. Pakington) had been
informed that some days since the Bishop of New Zealand
had received an intimation that his salary was withdrawn.
Sir G. GREY, after bearing his testimony to the WO
character which the Bishop of New Zealand enjoyed, said
the right hon. gentleman was mistaken in supposing that
this was the first year the sum of 6001. was omitted front
this vote. The 6001. was voted up to 1852, but in conse-
quence of the growing prosperity of the colony, the hon.
member for Lambeth and other members objected to its
continuance, and in 1853 it was reduced to 5001. It was
in consequence of an intimation from the right hon. gen-
tleman himself that the sum of 6001. would not be asked
for after 1853 that the hon. member for Lambeth with-
drew his opposition to it. The subsequent estimate of the
Duke of Newcastle, thers,fore, did not contain one shilling
of the item for the Bishop of New Zealand. Ho hoped that
the legislature of New Zealand would be willing to provide
for that 6001. a year.
Sir J. PAKINGTON said there was time to ascertain
the intentions of the colony on the subject since then, and
ho was afraid that no communication had taken place.
Sir T. D. ACLAND said that the bishop was so anxious
for the good of the church that ho offered to give up a
portion of his revenue for the establishment of three more
prelates there.
Mr. 'WILLIAMS hoped that the vote for New Zealand
would disappear altogether next year.
The vote was then agreed to.
The following votes were also agreed to :-
9761. to defray the charges of Heligoland. (Laughter.)
3,021/. to defray the charges of the Falkland Islands.
On the vote of 16,84. g.
4,4001, to defray the charges of Hong Kong.
1,000/. to defray the charges of Labuan.
Board,
Mr. BRIGHT thought the time had come when a groat
part of this expense might be saved,
for the Land and Emigration
existing now, as formerly,as there was no reason
to get rid of our population by
inducing them to 2% emigrate.
He recommended that the
whole of the expensive staff mikrht be abolished. He hoped
between this and next yeai this "suggestion
con-
sidered.
Sir G. GREY said that this vote was not for the purpose
would be
of encouraging emigration, but to enable the Government
to communicate information to every part of the country
from which persons desirous of emigrating made inquiries
That accounted for the apparently large sums set down for.
postage. The great object to be attained by this vote ?was
the securing the safety and comfort of the emigrants.
Captain SCOBELL thoi!ght,thLthe emigration office-rig
who received only 2081. a year were paid very badly in
comparison to the clerks, some of whom were paid 5001. a
year.
Mr. J. B. SMITH hoped that this vote would never
again be brought forward.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL complained of the working staff of
officers, who discharged their duties in a most efficient and
creditable manner, being very much underpaid.
The vote was then agreed to.
20,0001. for the capture of negroes.
Mr. M. GIBSON said that this was a vote to defray the
charges under the act for the abolition of the slave trade.
The act to which he alluded was called the Brazilian Act,
which was passed in 1845. At that time the Earl of Aber-
deen was Foreign Minister under the late Sir R. Peel, and
he said that he should be very glad when the time arrived
to have it in his power to repeal that act. It was but a
temporary provision to put down the slave-trade in Brazil,
and based on the ground that that country had not fulfilled
her engagements with the Government of this kingdom.
He asked the noble lord the President of the Council what
was the present state of our relations with Brazil, and whe-
ther the time had not arrived for the repeal of this act I
The committee that had sat last year on the subject re-
ported that the slave trade in Brazil was abblished.- •
Lcrd J. RUSSELL said that While they greatly rejoiced
at this state of things, the right hon. gentleman should not
forget the means by which such a result was brought about.
It was brought about by the passing Of the act to which he
referred, which enforced penalties against those who were
found carrying on the slave trade in Brazil. He could not
say it was a very logical consequence that they ought now
to give up all the means which effected that object, the
chief of which was the act referred to. Although several
attempts had been made to negotiate a treaty upon this
subject to take the place of the act, there were no stipula-
tions which could be considered at all as effectual as the
act itself. He believed that our relations with Brazil were
of a most satisfactory character. He thought that they
would be acting most unwisely, in securing the present
satisfactory state of things, if they were to repeal the act.
and thus by indulging in the vain expectations that the
slave trade was entirely rooted out, give encouragement to
the restoration of those horrible scenes that had formerly
taken place. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. BRIGHT said that Lord Truro had declared the
act to be a flagrant violation of the law of nations. Its
character and tendency were greatly to exasperate every
person who regarded the independence of the Brazilian
empire. The Brazilian was probably as respectable a Go-
vernment as any in the world. Nobody that was acquaint-
ed with the country had the least suspicion that the slave
trade would be again established. He. therefore, thought
that the Government ought to repeal the act.
Lord PALMERSTON said Brazil, in 1826. bound her-
self to abolish the slave trade. Down to 1833, however,
this treaty was not observed, and the slave trade was car-
ried on openly, slaves being sold in the streets of Rio Ja-
neiro. In 1845 an act passed to suppress the slave trade,
and in 1810 this act was carried into execution. Nothing
would have induced the Brazilian Government to suppress
the slave trade but the resolution of the British Government
to carry out that act.' No doubt there was a small anti•
slavery party in Brazil, but it was powerless. The en-
forcement of the act produced a great sensation in Brazil,
and a cry was raised. The Brazilian Government then de-
clared that if the act was not enforced, and the cruizers
left off seizing the slavers, the slave trade would be sup-
presso.i. To this the British Government agreed ; but the
slave trade was not suppressed, and revived again in all its
vigour. The British minister at Rio then remonstrated,
and threatened the re-enforcement of the act. At length
the Brazilian Government,• seeing that the slave trade
would not bo allowed to exist, consented really to put it
down, and at this moment it did not exist. The result
was I:eneticial to Brazil, for the traffic had a most demora-
lising influence ; capital which was devoted to it was now
applied to purposes of internal improvement, and the
whole face of the country was chane°ed. Such was the
effects of the act which the right hon. gentleman (Mr.
Gibson) wished to repeal. The repeal of the act would
be most disastrous and injurious, and would be nothing
less than an act of madness. (Cheers )
Mr. ADDERLEtY said he inferred, from the statement
of the noble lord, that public opinion, and not our cruisers,
had suppressed the slave trade. (Hear.) If not, how was
it - that it had not been suppressed 20 years ago ? The
noble lord stated that-public opinibn had put it down at
last.

Lord PALMERSTON—No ; the act of Parliament.
Captain PECHELL said a similar course had been pur-
sued with respect to Portugal, and had proved quite suc-
cessful. The present was the time to keep up a sufficient
force to back up the Captain-General of Cuba, and so to
suppress the present traffic.—
Sir T. D. ACLAND said every one who felt an interest
in the suppression of this abominable traffic should con-
gratulate the unremitting assiduity of his noble friend,
and trust to those who have achieved such results.
Tha vote was then agreed to, and the house resumed.
SUPPLY (NAVY).
Mr. GIBSON said he had seen it stated that Russian
prisoners on hoard merchant vessels were allowed •to vo-
lunteer. Perhaps the right hon. gentleman would explain
who were the prisoners.
Sir J. GRAHAM said, as all the old prisons had been
disposed of at the close of the war, it became necessary to
provide new prisons. Preparations were made by the ad-
miral for the reception of prisoners at Constantinople, both
soldiers and sailors. It was true that certain merchant
sailors tak(:n in Russian ships had taken service in British
merchant ships to go long voyages, not to the Mediter-
rune +l2 or the Baltic. No expense would be incurred that
was not necessary.
Mr. OTWAY called attention to the loss of life sus-
tained by the want of boat accommodation on board the
transport-ship Europa. To the want of that accommoda-
tion was entirely owing the loss of Colonel Moore. He
suggested that the master of each transport conveying
troops should sign an undertaking that the long-boat
should not be used for the stowage of cattle or any other
purpose, and that a certain number of men and officers
should be told off to each boat.
Mr. A LCOCK said it was an absurd thing to vute
20,0001. for transports, when there were so many ships of
war lying up in ordinary.
Sir J. PECHELL hoped the Russian soldiers from the
Black Sea would not be brought to this country. He
thought the suggestion of the hon. and gallant member for
Christchurch was worthy of attention, and that ships were
the fittest prisons for prisoners of war.
Sir G. TYLER asked whether any proposition for az
exchange of prisoners had been made to the Russian Go-
vernment ?
Sir J. GRAHAM was understood to say there had been,
but that no official report had yet been received. Both at
Constantinople and Sheerness ships were fitted up as pri-
sons for prisoners of war.
WAYS AND MEANS. • .
The house went through committee pro form 4 on 'NI
and means.

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