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to indulge in such h.trsh langusge with respect to the labours 1 :.,:fl .rati, n of his (the Hen. Nlernher's) convenience would in-
of the Committee. The B:11 was intended to bring Item, jes- clue- the 11 :use te co ee 0 its establish, d r wulations.
tics: to the pour man. The cottages of the poor landlord were 1 lie ATTO R N E 1-- GENE R A L s:,i I that he did not feel
es much entitled to proleetism as the mansions of the rich. 111,, vs et' t of th • Right lie-. G ettleinan's objection, as the
He was anxious to -ereteet the poor, and woeld consent m:•'ake to wl,ich Le alluded w..s merely i, chnbal, and could .
to any amendment 1..0 that purpose in this Com:ilia ,c— be 4asily lealedied.
( Hear, hear)—but he would not consent to protect the A ter ar, W W 0,14 from Sir R. Nut's and Mr. S. LEFEVRE,
dishonest man at the expense of one probably not. Mr. ti OULB U RN said that althouelt in the p-eAeut state
much richer than himself from whom lie detained his proprrt,: of the House he ha 1 little hope of doing so 'successfully, lie
Ia justice to himself he must say, that since he intended to brit g ,nest still i epeat his pie.test against the tur.her progress of
in the Bill ho had taken the opportunity of sen ing the Bil to this II:11. He asserted that if it passed it would certainly give
every place throughout the country—not to landlords alone but rise to acts of great injustice. It violated the greet principle
to every Mechanics News-ro ,m of which he hod the slightest (e. retiog far the relief of the I'o ;r, which was to apportion the
knowledge, and the only complaint he had heard against the rice of the psoperty of the individual rated. lion. Members
Bill was that it did not go far enough for the protection of the might coeseet to tee pawning of this Bill as merely affecting
small landlords. He trusted the House would agree to the the pi operty of the Church, but they should recollect that by
Bill being committed. doing so they were cetablishing _a principle which might at a
After some observationsbythe SOLICITOR-GENERAL, future day efl, et railroads and every other description of pro-
The House divided, when the numbers were— perty.—( Hear, hear.) He had a great variety of state rents
Fur going into Committee
For the amendment
Majority against the amendment —lO5 fain a parish in Shropshire. The clergyman's case in this
The House then went into Committee. parish was here stated to be that he had commuted his
Upon (we believe) the first clause, t the without a single murmur from his parishioners. The
Sir R. PEEL said that he hoped the same measure of jus- commutation amounted to 1501. a-year, out of which, from
Lice would be extended to the landlords of tenements above the nature of the pari-h, he was obliged to keep a curate. If
10/., as was by this Bill to those of tenements under that Mr. Lefevre's Bill passed, this clergyman's poor-rate would
sum. lie considered it highly dishonest that persons should be increased 20/ea-year, which would leave a balance which
hold possession of property, in despite of their landlords after Mr Lefevre's servant would hardly accept. Under such cir-
due legal notice bad been given to quit, ar,d had no sympathy cult:stances he (Mr. Goulbern) felt it his duty to move that
with tenants of any class who would so act.—(Hear, hear.) tee Bill be read a second time that day three months. •
Upon that ground he considered that a summary process, if Mr. C. WOOD objected to the postponement of a measure
necessary, in case of a small tenement, was equally so in that which was so imperatively called fur.
of a large. This process might be different in the two cases, - Sir R. ING LIS supported the amendment. He objected
but the principle was the same, whether the tenement was one to the Bill as a measure which would put into the pocket of
of 10/. value, or of 100/. He certainly could not see any t?ne that which properly belonged to the titheowner.
reason why the constituent body were to be doubly privileged, Mr. DARBY supported the Bill.
and if this Bill were to pass as now proposed, there could be Mr. S HAW LEFT VRE explained. This Bill would pro_
no doubt that it would confer on them another privilege be- duce no result of which the tithe-payers need be at all afraid
sides the elective franchise. He, for his own part, did not see even in districts where the mode of assessment was most fa-
what the amount of the rent had to do with the principle of vourable to them.
the measure. So far as the principle was concerned, he ma Mr. BRUGES supported the Bill, as the law required to
doubtedly approved of the Bill, but then instead of fixing the be settled upon the subject, and this Bill would effect that pur-
limit at-10/., he for his own part would prefer extending the pose without injury to either party. Where the rent-charge
jurisdiction to 2c/., or even to a higher amount. was the representative of the tithe the only question was, whe-
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL was glad to find that this ther the tithe should
,produce a profit, and the rate should be
measure had met with such general approbation from all sides levied upon that profit. Finding that the Bill would be ad-
of the House, and he admitted that the present state 'of the law vantageous to all parties, be would give it his support.
when there appeared—
on this subject was a disgrace to the judicature of the country. The House then divided, •
Although he concurred in much of what had fallen from the For the motion
Right Hon. Baronet opposite, he still was disposed to think For the amendment -
that it was better to proceed gradually than to risk anything by Majority in favour of the motion ---2S
effecting too great a change in the first instance. Ile approved The House then went into Committee on the Bill.
of the limit as to the amount of the rent fixed by the first Several clauses were agreed to, the Bill went through
clause, but he had no hesitation in saying that if the measure Committee, and was ordered to be reported on Monday.
should be found to work well he would have no objection The House then went into Committee on the Tithes and
whatever to extend the jurisdiction at some future period to Land Merger Bill. The report was further considered, a
201., or even to a higher amount. clause was added, on the motion of Mr. Lynch, and the corn-
Mr. HARVEY entirely concurred in all that had fallen mittee ordered to report to-morrow.
from the Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Tamworth. The House then resumed.
The amount of the rent was in truth wholly immaterial, and The Court of Chancery (Ireland) Bill was recommitted,
for his own part he could not understand why the principle of on the motion of Mr. Sergeant Currie, and, the Committee
the Bill, if it were to be called into operation at all, should not ordered to report to-morrow.
apply to the lofty palaces of the rich as well as to the humble The House resumed, and went into Committee on the Par-
cottages of the poor. By this measure they were clearly estab- liamentary Burghs ( Scotland) Bill.
Baling one law for the rich and another for the poor, and to On clause 6 being proposed.
such a proceeding he must strongly object. Now with regard Mr. GILLON proposed that the clause be struck out,
to the amount of rent, the only point to be ascertained by the which was agreed to, and the clause accordingly struck out.
magistrates would be whether or not the relation of landlord The remaining clauses of the Bill were then agreed to, the
and tenant subsisted between the parties, and if that fact were Chairman reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again on
once admitted it was clear that the amount of the rent, whether it Friday, and the House resumed.
were high or whether it were low, would be altogether beside PUBLIC RECORDS BILL.
the question for decision. Whether, therefore, the rent were On the motion that the House resolve itself into a Com-
-104 or 1,000/., the principle would be the same ; but of course mittee on this Bill,
if the fact of the payment of rent were disputed, then a ques. Colonel SIBTHORP moved, as an amendment, that the
tion with respect to the right of property would arise which House adjourn.
could not be determined by the Magistrates, but must be re- Mr. RICE defended the Bill, but
ferred to the ordinary tribunals of the superior Courts. This Colonel SIBTHORP persisted in pressing the adjourn-
Bill, he admitted would effect a partial good ; but so averse ment of the House.
• was he to bit-and-bit legislation, that he would not object to The House then divided, when the numbers were—
its being-referred to a Committee up stairs, in the hope that For the adjournment 2
next Session they would be able to pass some comprehensive For the original motion 39
measure which would settle all disputed points, and place the
The blouse tMheajnorwiteynt into Committee on the Bill. 37
law of landlord and tenant on the clear and intelligible footing
The several clauses, down to clause 7, were agreed to.
on which it ought to stand. Now, there was a hardship which
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SIBTHORP p ut ,
he knew professionally, and from personal experience, often
objected to theerelause, on the ground
occurred. It not unfrequently happened, and that too, by the
Colonel
it would increase the patronage of the Government to an
connivance of the tenant, that the whole property on the pre-
unlimited extent. They would be empowered, as the clause
miser
were swept away under an execution a leer days before
stood, to eirploy any number of deputy record-keeps, and
quarter day. This was done to defraud the landlord of the
other officers and servants, and he thought, before such a
quarter's rent, and as he could not distinguish between such a
case and the fraudulently taking of a chattel, he would wish
npouwmebrerwoafs placed in their hands, they 'should state what the
ries were intended to see protection afforded to the landlord in this respect. Ile
sonsasbtha! would be requisite, and what sale-
was, however, glad that the subject had been taken into consi-
tion to which h
ewast
entitled,given
and tl)
informa-
deration by the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tam-mw.itboTohtiseffwoardsinitheworth, and if the Right Hon. Baronet would extend the juris- must be permitted to say that the Goiernment never ought ht to
diction in the present case, not to 201. but 1,0001., he should have brought forward this Bill. He considered the gwbole
support him.
The SOLICITOR-GENER AL expressed it as his opi- measure a delusion on the public, and strongly protested against
such leeislation,
nion that they ought not to exceed the limit fixed in the clause, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
and he stated this without any wish whatever that the poor as the payment of the parties to be employed would be brought
should be placed in a different situation from the rich. Ile under the consideration of that House in the shape of an esti--
was satisfied that the Bill would be as much an advantage to mate, there could be no danger of the Government using the
the tenant as to the landlord. measure for the purposes of patronage. t
hwl
enor
would
pointdw ans ofoat , fact
Mr. BROTHERTON conceived that, for the present at whole matter would be placed under the controul of Lord
Langdale.
SIBTHORP said that he
least, it would be better not to go beyond to/. Lacn
Sir) . B. SUG DEN said that, according to his own ar-
present state of the House, and knowing
gument, the Hon. Member for Southwark ought to vote with
against him the ' them
ttdthe trouble of dividing, hues him. The Hon. Member for Southwark contended that no
difference should be made between the rich and the poor, and ''neat thatlm hegive
it was because this Bill would establish such a difference re'
pi oes against this Bill.
The clause was then
that he (Sir E. Sugden) objected to it. The rights of the ' - agreed to, as were the remaining
clauses after which
poor would be committed under this measure to the decision ordered 1 be brought
the House resumed and the report was
of an inferior tribunal, and as this was an arrangement to to
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Bill
of the Committee on the Imprisonment for
which the rich would not submit, he felt it to be his duty to
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oppose it.
Mr. WARBURTON said if he thought that raising the
aura higher than it was at present would be calculated to one
danger the success of the Bill, he would be sorry to supportany proposition for that object. However, he had not that
apprehension ; but as the promoters of the Bill seemed to fear
that raising the sum would endanger the success of the Bill,
he would not, therefore, do anything which might be thought
to endanger the Bill.
Mr. PRYME said that the whole course of English legis-
lation since the time of Alfred was that there should be a
cheap tribunal for small sums, and a large and more august
tribunal where important cases were at issue. But, moreover,
this was the course recommended by common sense, and be
referred to modern legislation to show that this principle was
invariably recognized. He contended that the Bill of his llon.
Friend was in perfect conformity with the whole course and
principle of ancient and modern legislation, as well as the dic-
tates of common sense.
Mr. HAWES was anxious th•mt the sum ot. 10/. in the Bill
should be raised to 20/. This alteration would make the Bill
an useful and operative Bill, and one which would be found
highly beneficial to the metropolis. Unless this alteration
were made, the benefits of the Bill would be confined altoge-
ther to the rural districts.
Sir R. PEEL was prepared to try the experiment with
201. instead of 10L, and in doing so he felt that he would have
an a•lditional security against any abuse, by including a larger
class in the operation of the Bill. Ile did not say this in any
hostility to time Bill, for. on the contrary, he would be sorry to
do any timing that would have a tendency to diminish or en-
danger the success of the Bill. Feeling, however that raising
the sum would have a contrary effect, lie now begged to move
that the sum should be r.tised from IN. to 20.
After a few words from Mr. Errcorrae and Mr. DARBY,
The ATTORNEY- GENERAL disclaimed any imputa-
tion that in supporting this Bill he was supporting the prin-
ciple of making one law for the rich and another for the poor.
Ile did not think that this Bill made any such distinction. In
many other cases a summary jurisdiction for the recovery of
small sums was given, and it was not found oppressive or ob-
jectionable.
After a few words from Mr. AG LION BY the amendment
was agreed to. The clause was then added to the Bill.
Clauses down to seven, inclusive, were then agreed to.
On clause eight, which provides that the Bill should not
extend to Scotland or Ireland,
Mr. E. TENNENT asked why this Bill was not exten-
ded to Ireland. There was a great desire amongst the land-
lords of that canary for a measure of that kind.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that there were et
present hi Ireland a number of statutes which to a great ex-
tent anticipated this measure. He believed that there was at
present in Ireland a very competent jurisdiction.
After a lex words from Mr. L YNC 11,
Mr. AG LIONI3Y said lie had no objection to extend the
Bill to Ireland, but on consulting- several Irish barristers he
found that they had already iii I eland a very competent juris-
diction of this kind.
The remaining clauses of the Bill were then agreed to.
The House resumed, and the report was ordered to be
brought up to- mon OW.
BANKRUPTCY COURT BILL,
The SOLICITOR GENERAL stated that he would post-
pone this Bill (as we understood) to next Session.
Mr. D. W. HARVEY said that the. postponement of this
Bill was a homage to the efficacy of persevering opposition.--
(A laugh.) He was glad the Bill was postponed,
PAROCHIAL ASSESSMENTS BILL.
On the Order of the Day for going into Committee on this
Bill.

An agricultural farmer, not one hundred miles frog)
Great Eceleston, resolving to hive a glorious crop of beans, tilled a OCIC
with the intended seed, and by means of a rope lowered it carefully to
the bottom of a deep well on his premises, in full anticipation that the
pulse, when softened by the water, would, when sown, produce an earlier,
and more plentiful return. On the third day, after thus depositing the
beaus, he went to the spot and began to hoist up the sack ; but findinlL
it much lighter (in place of heavier) than when he deposited it, some
misgivings came upon{ his mind, and he exclaimed, in phraseology peen:
liar to himself—pausing ere he emptied the sack out of the water
doll the;, thou stupid oaf I I'm afeard thou'rt bound to be trecherous!
Nor were his apprehensions unfounded. The beans, as might bo
ex-
peeled, had swelled to double their size when dry, and as the experirnee-
talist had made no allowance of room for such a contingency, all that he
found attached to the rope was the burst and empty bag—the beans beial
left at the bottom to vegetate as they might !—Preston Observer.
WALL'S END COALS.—AII the world has heard
of Wall's End coal; but all the world does not know what this designs'
lion implies. It means simply this. At the end of the great Monroe
Wall (of which by and-by)--about three miles below Newcastle, to the
eust—some fortunate proprietor or proprietors, not very many years ate'
found it remarkably fine vein of coal, which bore down all coill'et
ii
Mien, and which seemed as inexhaustible its quantity as sitirivalls
in quality. Demands, of great extent, came from all quarters—and s
learned, while at Gateshead, that it was only just now exhausted;
another vein, its a contiguous quarter, promises to be excellent a
equally abundant.—Dr. Dibdin's Northern Tour.

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The Hon. Mrs. George Hope, of a son and heir, at 77, Solidi
Audley-street, on the morning of Wednesday, July 18th.
On the 15th inst., in Woburn-square, Mrs. Edward Webster, °
a daughter. 1
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Gordon Cameron, of a thughter.
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Esq., of a son.
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Sir R. INGLIS presented a petition against the Bill from
the Dean and Chapter of Winchester.
Mr. G OUL BURN saiil that the title of this Bill had so
little reference to its clauses; that it would not be competent
fur any Member to introdtre it into Committee. The course
taken with rapeet to this Bill was without precedent, for the
enactments of the Bill had no reference to its title. He
thought it woull, therefore, be better that the Bill should be
allowed to drop.
Sir R. INGLIS concurred in the objection raised by his
Right Hon. Friend. He thought it would be better to al-
low the Bill to (Iron.
Mr. SHAW LEFEVRF. said, that as doubts hal arisen
as to the purpose a the Bill, he would more,,.as 411 amend-
ment, the insertion of the we:l4 " declare and eaaet" in each
clause.
Mr. GOULBURN said, that bringing in a Bill in the
manner in which that Bill had been introduced, was a 444
pervc.riou of the constitutional practice of the House. He
felt it was a point on which the House ought to be jealous,
and he hoped that some remedy would be found by the Hon.
Gentleman oppirit;..
SPEAkhR said, it was certainly the general rule
that a declaratory Bill should not also ho an eaacting one ;
but he thought that if any doubt a uteri on the subjeet, the
m'stake could be Tcaleded isy an instruction to the Committee.
Mr. UTOChiiRT said, that if the lion. Gentleman had
been taken by surprise, be could postpone the Commiitto
another evening ; but be (Mr. Eateptlrg lq,e4 that 11.9 eon.