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• which I insist ' • and I say that, great as the effect of our
• changes in the Customs' duties have been, and the advan-
tages are greater even to Ireland than to England, in pro-
portion, the increased means of consuming coffee, and
sugar, and, under this budget, tea, will enable the people
of Ireland to consume articles of which they have been
hitherto deprived, and which will, therefore, be of peculiar
advantage to that people ; so that the real question of this
taxation is as to its effects on the consumers and on the
poor infinitely more than on the rich. (Hear.) Having
stated these views with reference to the income tax, I cer-
tainly shall not think it necessary to go much into any
other part of the budget ; though, perhaps, I may refer to
certain sentiments of mine which have been quoted by
gentlemen in this debate in opposing the proposition which
is now before the committee. Several gentlemen have re-
ferred, in terms of which I certainly cannot complain, to
the objections which I made in 1842 to the proposition of
the income tax. It certainly was my opinion at that time
that by a judicious alteration of the duties on corn, by a
reduction of the prohibitory duty on foreign sugar, and an
adjustment of the duties on timber and coffee, the advan-
tage of a moderate price to the community might be com-
bined with an increased revenue to the state ; but the
• House of Commons took the other course--they imposed
. an income tax, and made alterations in certain duties. In
1846, however, they went much further, with reference to
corn and to sugar, than I had proposed in 1842, and look-
: ing back to what happened at that time, and seeing what
, has happened since, lam bound to say that, upon the
• whole, the course then taken by Parliament was more bene-
ficial to the country than the course which I proposed in
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the country from very great burdens, and from excessive
duties on articles of consumption, will, in like manner, he
the means, before 1860, of relievingthe country from other
oppressive duties of the same kind. (Hear.) In 1830 it
was stated by Mr. Huskisson that the great evil of taxa-
tion was that such heavy indirect taxes were placed on the
consumer, and teat the rich did not pay an equivalent tri-
bute to the revenue. In the last 20 years we have done
much to remove that reproach, to obviate that evil, and
I hold that we should act wisely in continuing that policy.
• (Hear.) The right hon gentleman towards the close of
his speech spoke much of the hardship of the legacy
• duties ; the hardship of the legacy duties in question has
been much exaggerated, and even to-night an hon. gen-
tleman said that 2,000,000/, of additional taxes are about
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• the portion which has not hitherto contributed contribute
to the tax—an act of justice, let me add, which will not
' involve a payment of 2,000,0001., as is asserted, but of
' 500,0001., or, at most, of 700,0001.; and be it observed,
further, that when the duty reaches this full amount the
) income tax will be diminished to the extent of at least
700,0001. ? (Hear, hear.) Adopt the amendment, and
this consequence will follow :—My right hon. friend pro-
poses in two years to diminish the income duty id., and
in two years more Id. more, and this you do if you adhere
to the uniform rate ; but adopt the amendment, and this
will be impossible ; so that the land, in 1855, will not be
relieved from the burdens from which the plan of my right
hon. friend will relieve it. In the course of the operations
to which I have referred, beginning with the removal of
the differential duties, we have come, in course of time,
to abolish those duties which deprived them of many com-
forts, many necessaries. I believe the house cannot more
worthily represent the people, more worthily represent the
people, than by pursuing this course. (Hear, hear.) It
was said last year, and I think it was a proof of little wis-
dom in him who said it—that he would endeavour to rule
this country so as to check the advance of democracy.
Depend on it that the ruler who sets himself to check the
advance of democracy will but increase the irritation and
augment the influence of the power against which he sets
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you as an enemy. (Hear.) This, it seems, to me, is the true
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For the resolution 39_3
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Mr. LAWLESS then proposedwmainetahat
amendment
vehement t
to cheeringomit
from the resolution the words " United Kingdom," and
substitute the words "Great Britain," with the view of
exempting Ireland from the imposition of the income tax.
The debate on this amendment was adjourned, notwith-
standing numerous calls for an immediate division ; and
the Chairman reported progress, and obtained leave to sit
again on Thursday.

BOROUGH OF RYE.
Mr. TUFNELL moved that a new writ be issued for
the borough of Rye, in the room of W. A. Mackinnon,
Esq., whose election had been determined to be void.
After some conversation, in which Sir J. PAKINGTON,
Lord J. RUSSELL, and Mr. FREWEN took part,
Sir J. TROLLOPE said, there were many transactions,
including compromises, which took place at elections, that
never cane under the notice of committees at all, and it
was therefore his intention, as soon as all the inquiries were
over, to call the attention of the noble lord to the general
state of the law on this subject. (Hear, hear.)
On the motion of Mr BASS, the debate was adjourned.
The house then adjourned at a quarter to three o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—May 2.

( From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of
Commons.)
WAYS AND MEANS.—THE INCOME TAX.

Questiet proposed, " That it is the opinion of this commit-
tee, that towards raising the supply granted to her Majesty,
there shall be raised annually during the terms hereinafter
limited, the several rates and duties following (that is to
say) :—For and in respect of the property, in any lands, tene-
ments, or hereditaments, in the United Kingdom, and for and
in respect of every annuity, pension or stipend, payable by
her Majesty or out of the public revenue of the United King-
dom ; and for and in respect; of all interest of money, annui-
ties, dividends, and shares of annuities payable to any person
or persons, bodies politic or corporate, companies or socie-
ties, whether corporate or not corporate ; and for and in
respect of the annual profits or gains arising or accruing
to any person or persons whatever, resident in the United
Kingdom, from any kind of property whatever, whether si-
tuate in the United Kingdom or elsewhere, or from any an-
nuities, allowances, or stipends, or from any profession, trade,
or vocation, whether the same shall be respectively exercised
in the United Kingdom or elsewhere ; and for and in respect
of the annual profits or gains arising or accruing to any per-
son or persons not resident within the United Kingdom-from
any property whatever in the United Kingdom, or from any
trade, profession, or vocation, exercised •in the United
Kingdom; for every 20s. of the annual value or amount
thereof :

For two years from April 5, 1853
And for two years from April 5, 1855
And for three years from April 5, 1857 0 0 5
And that on April 5, 1860, except as to the collection of mo-
neys then due, the said rates and duties shall cease and deter-
mine.

" And for and in respect of the occupation of such lands,
tenements, or hereditaments (other than a dwelling-house oc-
cupied by a tenant distinct from a farm of lands), for every
twenty shillings of the annual value thereof, one moiety of
each of the said sums of 7d., 6d., and 5d., for the above-
named times respectively."
Amendment proposed, to leave out the words " towards
raising the supply granted to her Majesty, there shall be raised
annually during the terms hereinafter limited, the several
rates and duties following," in order to insert the words,
" the continuance of the income tax for seven years, and its
extension to classes heretofore exempt from its operation
without any mitigation of the inequalities of its assessment,
are alike unjust and impolitic," instead thereof :—Question
put, " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of
the proposed resolution :"—The committee divided—Ayes,
323 ; Noes, 252.

MAJORITY—AYES, 321
Adana, Sir T. Gardner, R. Norreys, Sir D.
A'Court, C. G each, Charles O'Brien, Cornelius
Adair, H. Gibson, Thomas M. O'Connell, Maurice
Aglionby, H. A. Gladstone, William O' k• laherty, A.
Alcock, Thomas Gladstone, Capta'n Oliveira, Benjamin
Anderson, Sir James Glyn, George Carr Or bchne, Ralph.
Anson, Gen. Gooderich, Vis. Otway, Arthur John
Atherton, Wm. Goodman, Sir G. Owen, Sir J.
Baines, M, T. Goold, W. . Paget, Lord Alfred
Ball, John. Gordon, Admiral Paget, Lord George
Baring, H. B. Goulburn, Henry Palmerston, ViScoun'
Baring, Sir F. Gower, F. L. Patten, J.
Basing, Francis Grace, 0. Pechell, Sir G.
Barnes, T. Graham, Sir J. Peel, Sir R.
Bass, M. T. Greenall, Gilbert Peel Frederick
Beaumont. W. B. Greene, T. Pellatt, A
Beckett, William Greason, Samuel Pennant, Colonel
Bell, J. Grenfell, C. Peto. S.
Bellew, Captain Grey, Sir G. Mules, John Henry
B nhow, John G osvenor, Lord R. Phillimo e, J. G.
Berkeley, Admiral Grosvenor, Earl I hillimore, R.
Berkeley, H. Hadfield, G. Phinn, T.
Berkeley, Hon. C. F. Hall, Sir Benjamin Pisot. I rancis
Berkeley, C. L, Hanmer, Sir J. Pllkin:gton. Jame!!
Bethel', Richard Ha court, G. G. Pinney, William
Biddulph, It. M. Harcourt, Col. Pollard- Utquhart, W
Biggs, William Hastie, Alexander Ponsonby, Hn. A.G. J.
Blackett, I. F. B. nestle, Archibald Pon-man, W.
Benham-Carter, Joan Headiam, T. E. Powiett, Lord W.
Boyle, Colonel Heard, J. I. Prise, Sir R.
Bramston. T. W, Heathcoate, Sir G. Price, W. P.
Brand, H. Heathcote, Gilbert H. Pritchard, J.
Bright, John Heneage, G. H. W. R'eardo, 0.
Brocklehurst, John Plenease, G. F. Rich, H.
Brockman, E. D. Herbert, H. A. Robartes, T. 3. A,
Brotherton, Joseph Herbert, Sidney Bocie, E. B.
Brown, H. Hervey, Lord Alfred Rumbold, C. E.
Brown, W. Heywood, James Russell, Lord 3.
Brovane, V. Heyworth, Lawrence Russell, F. C.
Bruce, Lord E. Higgins, George Russell, F. W.
Bruce, H. A. Hindley,Charles Saaleir, J.
Bulkeley, Sir R. B. W. Hogg, 2 .ismes W. Sanders, G.
Butler, Charles Howard, C. W. G. Sawle, C. B. (a.
Bvng, G. H. Charles Howard, Lord E. Scholefleld, W.
Cardwell, Hon. E. Hudson, George Scobeli, Capt.
Caulfield, Col. Hus,bes, W. B. Scrope, G. P.
Cavendish, C Hums, J. Scully, Francis
Cavendish, George Hutchins, E. Scully, V.
Challis, Alderman Hutt, William Seymour, Lord
Chambers, Thomas Ingham. Rooert Seymour, H. D.
Charter's, F. Inglis, Sir R. Blk Seymour W.l),
Cheenharn, Joins Jackson, William Shafto, R. D.
Christy, Samuel. Jerinyn, Earl Shelburne, Earl of
Clay, Sir William Johnstone, James Shelley, Sir J. V.
Clifford, Henry M. Johnstone, Sir J. Sheridan, R. B.
Clinton, Lord Robert Keaaing H. Smith, John Benj.
Cobeen, Richard Keogh, William Smith, R.
Cockburn, Sir Alex. Kershaw, James Sinai', J.
Cocas, Thomas S. King, P. J. Stafford, M aaquls
Coffin, W. Kingsco.e, R. N. F. Stanley, W. 0.
Collier, Robert P. Kinnaird, Arthur F. Stephenson, Robert
Colville, C. R. Kirk, William Stirling, W.
Cowan, Charles Labouchere, H. Strickland, Sir G.
Cowper, W. Laing, S. Strut', Rt. Hon. E.
Craefard, E. Langston, J. IL Stuai t, Lord D.
Crook, J, Lan;ton, H. G. Stuart, H.
Crossley, Frank Laslett, William Tancred, H. W.
Crowder, R. Lawless,C. Thicknesse, R. A.
Cubitt,Alderman Lawley, F. C. • Thompson, George
Currie, R. Legh, G. C. Thornely, T.
Dashwood, Sir G. H. Lemon Sir C. Townshend, Capt.
Davie, Sir H. ' Lewis, Sir T. Trail, G.
Denison, E. Lindsay. Colonel Tufnell H.
Denison, J. E. Locke, Joseph, . Tynte, Col. C. J. K.
Dent, J. Lockhart, A. E. Vane, Lord H.
Divert, Edward Loveden, P. Vernon.G. E. H.
Drumlanrig, Via. Lowe, R. Villiers, Hon. C.
Drummond, H. , Luce,' T. Vivian, J. H.
Darr, George Maucaulay. T. B. Vivian. Henry H.
Duff,.James Mackie, John Wall, C. B.
Duke, Sir James Macgregor, James Walmsley, Sir J.
Duncan. George Macgregor, John Walter J.
Duncombe, T. M'Taggart, Sir J. Warner, Edward
Dundas, G. Mangles, R. D. Weaesiey. Lord C.
Dundas, F. Marshall, William Wells, W.
Dunlop, A. Martin, John West, F. R.
East, Sir J. B. Massey, W. N. Whalley, G.
Egerton W. Master man, John Wirai man, James
Egerton, Edward Matheson, Alex. Whi tbread, S
El Ice, Rt. Hon. E. Matheson, Sir J. Wickham, Henry W.
Ellice, E. Mauls, Colonel Wilkinson, W. A.
Elliot, jam Mall, Edward Wilcox, B.
Euston, Earl Mill: sun, Robert Wi Tams, W.
Evans, Sir D. L. Milli, T. Wilson, James
Evans, W. Milner, W. M. E. Winnington, Sir T. E
Evelyn, W. Milnes, R. M. Wise, J. A.
E wart, William Milton Viscount Wood, Sir C.
Feilden, M. Michell, T. Woodd, B.
Fergus, John Moffatt, G. Wortley, J. S.
Ferguson, Colonel Molesworth, Sir W. Wrightson, W.
Fergoson, Sir R. M onck, Viscount Wyndham, William
Ferguson, Joseph Moncrieff, J. Wyvill, 51armaduke
Fitzgerald, J. Monsell, William Young, Sir John
Fitzgerald, Sir J. Moreton, Lord
Fitzroy, Hon. H. Morns, D.
Forster, C. Mostyn, E. M.
Fortescue, C. Mure, Col.
Fox, R. M. Murphy, F. S.
Fox, W. J. Muirough, J. P. Heater. W. G.
Freesia!), Colonel Norreys, Lord M u'grave, Earl
MINORITY—NOES, 252.
Adderley, C. Freshfieli. J. Mogan, C. R.
Alexander, J. . Frewen, Charles Hay Morgan, Oetavius
Annesley; Earl of Fu'ler, A. E. Mullings, J. R.
Anson, Viscount Gallwey, Sir W. P. Mundy, W,
Arbuthnot, Gen. Galway, Viscount Muntz, G. Frederick
Archdall, Captain At. Gaskell, J. M. Neste, Lord
Bage,e,ff. George, John Napier, J.
Bailey, Sir J. Goddard, Ambrose L. Neeld, John
Bailey, C; Gooch, Sir E. Neeld, Joseph
Bailey, H J Gore, W. 0. Newark, Viscount
Baird, James Granay, Marquis Newdegate, C. N.
Ball, Edward °reeves, Edward Newport, Viscount
Baldock, E. H. Greene, J. Noel, Gerard James
Bankes, G. Greville, Col. No tb, Colonel
Baring, T. Grogan, E. Gaines, J. H. P.
Barrington, Viscount Guernsey, Lord O'Brien, P.
Barrow, Wm. H. Gwyn, Howe' O'Brien, Sir Timothy
Bateson, T. Halford, Sir Henry Osselston, Lord
Rennet, Philip Hall, Colonel Packe, C. Wiriam
Bentinck, Lord H. Halsey, T. Pakesham, E.
Bentinck, Geo. P. Hamilton. Lord C. Pakington, Sir J.
Beresford, William Hamilton, G. A. Palmer, R.
Bernard, Visceunt Hamilton, J. Hans Parker, R. Townley
B'air, Colonel Hanaury, Hon. C. Peacocke, G. M. W.
Blake, M. Hardline, Charles S. Percy, J.
Bland( L. Hawkers, W. W. Portal, M.
Boldeero, Colonel Hayes, Sir Edmund Potter, R.
Booth, Sir R. Henchy, D. O'Connor Power, N.
Bower, G. Henley. J. W. Prime, R.
Brady, John Herbaet, Sir Thomas Pugh, D.
larisco, Musgrave liiidyarJ, R. Berrien, G. W. J.
Brooke, Lord Hill, Lord Arthur E. Robertson, P. F.
Brooke, Sir A.B. Hothem, Lord Rushout, Captain
Bruce, Cumming Hume, W. F. Scott, Francis
Buck, Lewis W. ' Iron, Samuel Seeham, Lord.
Buller, Sir J. Y. Jocelyn, Viscount Seymer, 11. K.
Millbury, W. Jolliffe, Sir W. G. H. Shee, William
Burghley, Lord Jones, Capt. Sibthorp, Colonel
Burke, Sir T. Jones, D. Smijth, Sir W.
Burrell, Sir C. M. Keating, Robert Smith, Wm. M.
Burroughes, Remy N. Kelly, Sir F. Smyth, R. J.
Butt, Geo. Medd Kendall, Nicholas Somerset, Captain
Butt, Isaac Kennedy, Tristram Sotheron, T. H. S.
Cabbell, B. B. Ker, D. S. Spooner, Richard
Calms, H. M'Calmont King, James King Stanhope, Jam? B.
Car nac, Sir J. R. Knatchbull, W. F. Stanley, Lord
Cayley, E. S. Knight, F W. Stun, H. G.
Chandos, Marquis of Knlghtley, Rainald Bull Nall, M.
Chelsea, Viscount Knox, Colonel Swift, R.
Child, Smith Knox, W. S. Talbot, C.
Christopher, R. Adam Lacon, Sir E. Thesiger, Sir F.
Clinton,iLord C. P. Laffan, R. M. Tollemache, John
Clive, R. H. Langton, W. G. Tomliae, G.
Clive. R. Lennox, L ord A. Ti ollope, Sir J.
Cobbold, J. Chevalier Lennox. Lord HG. Tudway, R.
Codrington, Sir W. Leslie, Charles P. Tamer, C.
Coles, H. Beaumont Liddell, H. G. Tyler, Sir G.
Compton, Henry Lockha. t. W. Ty: ell. Sir J. T.
Conolly, T. Long, W. Vance, J.
Coote, Sir C. H Lovaine, Lord Vane, Lord A.
Corbally, AL E. Lowther, Captain Vansittart, G. H.
Cony, Henry Lawry Lucas. F. Verner, Sir W.
Cotton, W. H. S. Lytton, Sir E. G. Villiers, Rt. Hn. F.
Davies, D. • Maca.tney, G. Vivian, J. Ennis
Davison, R. Mackenzie, W F. Vyvyan, Sir R.
Devereux, J. T. M'Cann, J. Vyse, R. H. R.
Disraeli, Benjamin M'Mahon, P. Waddnigton, David
Dod. J. W. Maddock, Sir H. Waddington, H. S.
Drax, J. S. W. S. E. Megan, W. H. Walcot, Adm.
Duckworth, Sir J. Maguire, J. Walpole, S. H.
Duffy, C. Matins, Richard Welby, Sir G.
Duncombe, En. A. Manners, Lord G. Whiteside. James
Duncombe, W. E. Manners, Lord J. Wiritmoae, Henry
Dunne, Michael March, Earl of Wigram, L. T.
Dunne, Col. Mare, C. J. Williams, T. P.
Elmley, Viscount Maunsell, T. P. Wa.l.ehoirre, E.
Esmonde, J. Maxwell, Hon. J. P. Wsrsester, Marts, of
Fagan, W. Meagher. Thomas Wyndham, lien.
Farnham, E. B. Menx, Sir Henry Wynn, He.ibert W.
Fellowes, Edward Miles, William Yoak, E. T.
Floyer, J. Michell, W.
Follett, Brant S. Montgomery. H. L.
Foy hes, Will'atn Montgomery, Sir G. Maus.
Forester, Colonel Moody, C.' A.
Forster, Sir G. Moore, G. H. Mandeville, Viscount.
French, Fitzatephen Moore, R. S. Taylor, Col.

TELLERS.

SOUTHAMPTON MAIL PAOKETB.—The Royal Mail
steam-ship Parana, Capt. E. Woolley, sailed yesterday
afternoon with the usual mails for the British and
foreign West India colonies, the Gulf of IVlexicO, the
Pacific, and California, in charge of Lieutenant Fuge,
R.N., Admiralty agent. The Parana takes out 105
passengers, among whom are Commander Marshall,
Lieutenants Davenay and Harbord, Dr. Gordon, &c.,
and a full cargo of manufactured goods, of English and
continental origin. The Magdalena with the home-
ward West India and Mexican mails, is now hourly
expected. The Ripon, Captain R. Moresby, I.N. will
leave on Wednesday, with the outward mails for India,
China, and Australia. The Royal mail steamer Tay is
appointed to take out the Brazil and Rio de la Plata
mails of the 9th inst. The United States mail steam-
ship Washington, with dates from New York to the
23d ult., is expected to arrive off Cowes, on her way to
Bremen, about Friday or Saturday next. The Madrid,
Captain John Weeks, with the homeward Peninsular
mails, and the steam-ship City of London, from the
Levant, will ho due at Southampton this day or to-
morrow.