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in the evening, and let them send for any books
they wanted out of 450,000 volumes, would be to
incur great risk. (Hear, hear.) The officers must
go about with lights, and put them down while
looking for books, and this would of course be attended
with danger. The object could only be accomplished
by putting aside a certain number of books to be read—
an arrangement which would cause great dissatisfaction.
When there was a new reading room, there would be
much greater accommodation for readers ; but he thought
, the department of printed books and the department of
manuscripts were, as far as the public were concerned,
the most useful parts of the British Museum.
Sir D. .NORREYS thought it desirable to make a
good collection of British antiquities, in imitation of
France. There was no place in the country where there
could be found a collection of national relics.
Mr. W. J. FOX said the books which he wished to
see accessible in the evening were such as were to be
found in other libraries.

Mr. BELL wished to know when the new catalogue
would be completed ? The present catalogues (five in
number) were very imperfect, and much loss of thue oc-
curred in looking for books.
Lord SEYMOUR said these complaints were urged
only by theorists and superficial readers. He bad seve-
ral times called for books, and bad them furnished to
him in three minutes.

Mr. EWART thought the library of the Museum
should be lighted and opened by night. In his opinion
there should be at least six great general district libraries
in London.

The vote was then agreed to.
On the vote of 101,1421. to defray the cost of addi-
tional buildings at the British Museum,
Lord W. GRAHAM asked whether Government had
any intention of appointing a Royal commission to in-
quire into all those national establishments ?
Mr. WILSON replied in the negative.
Mr. DANBY SEYMOUR suggested the removal of
the geological specimens to another place, with the view
of enlarging the accommodation for the books. He
asked whether there would be any objection to the pro-
duction of the report of Sir Charles Barry upon those
buildings?
Mr. WILSON said there would be no objection to
the production of this report.
Mr. A. PELLATT said he should persevere in his
motion to postpone the vote.
A division was called, but none took place, and the
vote was agreed to.
1,500/. for the expense of transmitting ancient marbles
from Assyria to this country was agreed to.
THE NATIONAL GALLERY.

On 7,490/. for the expenses of the National Gallery,
Lord W. GRAHAM inquired whether a salaried direc-
tor was to be appointed this year. Was there any diffi-
culty in finding a properly qualified person for the office ?
There was a report that an eminent German professor was
to be appointed.
Mr.WILSON said the subject was under the immediate
consideration of the First Lord of the Treasury. An appli-
cation had been made within the last fortnight from the
trustees of the National Gallery for the appointment of
such an officer, and he believed it was the intention of the
Government to appoint one in a few days, if a proper per-
son could be found. There was no truth in the rumour of
the appointment of a German professor.
Mr. DANBY SEYMOUR said there was another vote
for the National Gallery in the miscellaneous estimates.
Why was it not included in this vote? It was a sum of
27,0001. for additional land at Kensington Gore for the
building of a National Gallery. For the first time they bad
beard officially that there was to be a national gallery at
Kensington Gore ; and if it was intended to carry out the
second report of the Commissioners of the Great Exhibition,
such a gigantic plan would lead to an expense of one or
two millions. That vote should have been put under the
head of the National Gallery, and not in the miscellaneous
estimates. The hon. gentleman then adverted to the in-
convenience of having the Gallery of Ancient Masters and
the Vernon Gallery in separate buildings ; and he urged
that the Royal Academy should be removed from the
building at Trafalgar-square, and that that building should
be appropriated to the national collection.
Mr. WILSON suggested that the first point alluded to
by the hon. gentleman should be deferred till they came
to the vote. The 27,000/. for the ground at Kensington
Gore was only a continuation of the vote of last year, addi-
tional land being necessary. With regard to the Vernon
Gallery, that collection was left to the nation on the con-
dition that it should be kept as a separate gallery, and her
Majesty had allowed it to be placed at Marlborough-house.
He believed the public was satisfied that it should remain
where it was. (No ) It was not convenient to remove
it at present. He believed the public would be sorry to
part with the annual exhibition of the Royal Academy in
Trafalgar-square.
Mr. DANBY SEYMOUR said that when the land at
Kensington Gore was purchased for 150,00(.3., Mr. Disraeli
distinctly stated to Mr. Hume that he took it for the pur-
poses of the Royal Commission of the Great Exhibition,
and he did not pledge himself that it would be used for a
national gallery, and the vote passed on that understanding.
The Vernon Gallery was only temporarily at Marlborough-
house. Why should it not be removed to a more convenient
place at Trafalgar-square. There was no chance of losing
the exhibition of the Royal Academy, for it brought in
7,0001. a year, although they had agreed, when public
rooms were assigned to them, that the public would be
admitted to the exhibition gratis. It was also said that
they had accumulated a sum of 140,0001., which was con-
trary to the terms of their charter. The whole question
of the Royal Academy ought to be looked into, and he
hoped that in the next session some move would be made
in the matter.
After some few observations from Mr. EWART and Mr.
PELLATT,
Lord W. GRAHAM said that he saw a sum of 2,8001.
assigned to certain German pictures. Were they only
curiosities, or were they calculated to serve the purposes
of real art?

Mr. WILSON said that was the object. They were pic-
tures of a very rare description.
Mr. DRUMMOND complained that year after year
large sums were voted for public buildings, which were at
an expense far below what any private gentleman would
have to pay for similar buildings. He was surprised that,
considering all the inquiries which had been made on the
subject of pictures, that they had not heard what had be-
come of the pumice-stone —(laughter)—and whether the
pictures which were just brought were to be treated as all
the others had been treated. tHear, and laughter.) There
had been a committee on the subject, and he saw his noble
friend the chairman of it present, who could no doubt
give the house some information on the matter ; the report
of the committee showed that it was most unwise to go on
buying pictures and leaving them in such hands as tho
others had been. No private gentleman would continue
to buy pictures and leave them in such hands.
The vote was agreed to.
2,0201. for scientific works and experiments and mag-
netic observations ; 500/. to provide suitable rooms for the
meeting of the Royal Geographical Society were agreed to.
The next vote was 11,250/. for the mixed commission
for the suppression of the slave trade.
Sir G. PECHELL hoped that the Government would
keep up the squadron on the coast of Cuba in an efficient
state, so as to give the slave trade, which the Spanish
Government for the first time seemed anxious to suppress,
a final blow. He had seen it lately stated that six cargoes
of slaves had been landed in Cuba, amounting to 2,100
Africans.

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The next vote was 136,865/. for consular establishments
abroad.

Mr. WILLUMS said that amongst the items in this
vote he observed the sum of 4,000/. for consuls at Russian
ports; he should like to know if these were still to be
maintained? There were also charges for consuls at
Cologne, Frankfort, Paris (where we had au ambassador
and a complete diplomatic establishment,) Madrid (of
which the same might be said), Naples, Patras, Athens,
Cincinnati, and other places, our trade with which was a
mere bagatelle. He contended that all these charges
were unnecessary, and a waste of public money, and that
the appointments were made for the purposes of
patronage.

In answer to Admiral PECHELL,
Lord PALMERSTON said the Government were un-
ceasing in their endeavours to obtain from Spain the due
execution of the treaties for the suppression of the slave
trade, and considerable impression had been made at
Madrid on the subjLct. The orders of the Spanish Go-
vernment, which had hitherto been invariably disobeyed
at the Havanuah, were now better attended to, and he
entertained the hope that experience would show that the
slave ti ado of Cuba would be materially diminished, if not
entirely annihilated. With regard to the objections of
the hon. member for Lambeth, he could only set his
opinion against that of his hon. friend, and he was satis-
fied that his hon. friend's judgment was formed upon very
light and erroneous grounds. In all the places his hon.
friend had mentioned, the consular officers were necessary,
and as to the salaries, they were in most cases no more
than was required to enable the officers to keep up that
decent appearance which was essential for the due per-
formance of their duties, and the credit of the country to
which they belonged.
Capt. SCOBELL said that no answer had been given
with respect to the Russian consuls.
Mr. WILSON said that though the duties of these officers
were now temporarily suspended, they were still public
officers, and it would be very hard indeed to say that their
salaries should be stopped altogether. (Hear, hear.) They
would not receive the full amount of salary after a certain
time.
Mr. D.A.NBY SEYMOUR, observed that the salaries of
the consuls in China amounted to 31,000/. Ho wanted to
know if they were allowed at the same time to trade in
China, because if that were allowed they would have a
strong interest in supporting the rebels against the autho-
The result would probably be that
rity of the Emperor.
hh:Y would lead the country into a war with China, as had
T'en the case in Burinah. He heard it stated by persons
n authority abroad that they would ultimately be engaged
Lord inaot7r Wits China, and that their eastern empire would
bapfeAttiilll they had penetrated to Pekin.
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had not fulfilled their one al or to lead to encroachments,
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was agreed to.
On the next vote, 135,7721., for sups annuation and re-
tired allowances.

Mr. V. SMITH said this vote ought to be nr.rrowly
watched. This year there was an increase of 3,0001. in it.
There was a number of allowances ou loss of office and re-
dactions, and he 'thought that those persons ought to ho
appointed to fill vacant offices rather than that persons
should be appointed to office for the first time. He scarcely
saw any person who was restored to office except Sir Alex-
ander Spearman.

Mr. 'WILSON was quite ready to admit the force of
the observations of his right hon. friend, but he should re-
mind the house that the question of superannuations was
fixed by act of Parliament, and the money paid was not
out of the public money at all, but out of the contribu• ,

Lions paid by thi) empToyes ; and at the present moment
there was in fact a great question among them whether
the snperannual:i ons ought not to be larger or the contri-
butions smaller.

Mr. W. WILL JAMS observed that in one ease a clerk
retired at the age ;.f 61. His salary was 1,0001., and his re-
tiring allowance 9'161.
Captain 5C08.,-I:LL said he found that about 150 per-
sons had been put on the retired list for no other reason
than a reduction in the establishments, and the allowances
to these clerks were far beyond the pensions of admirals
and generals.
Lord NAAS asked when a decision would be come to
with regard to the claims of the civil service ?
Mr. WILSON said that was an important question, be-
cause the public servants felt, whether rightly or not was
another matter, that their contributions to the superannua-
tion fund were too large, but it should be borne in mind
that, as in the case of an insurance ottice at a particular
period, the claims would increase. The whole question,
however, was now under the consideration of Mr. Fin-
laison, and he hoped in a few days to come to some decision
on the subject.
The vote was then agreed to.
The following vote:; were then agreed to without remark :
—2,561/. for Corsican and Tonlonese emigrants, and Ame-
rican loyalists, Sze. ; 2,2101. for the Vaccine Establishment;
3251. for the efuge of the Destitute, and 4,2001. for Polish
refugees and distressed Spaniards.
The next vote was 4,4691., for miscellaneous charges,
formerly defrayed from the civil list.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that nearly all the items in
this vote were objectionable.
Mr. WILSON gave some explanations, which were not
heard in the gallery, but were apparently satisfactory.
Mr. A. PELLATT wished to know where the French
refugee clergy were now performing their duties, or whether
they were really hi existence.
the W. WILSON—They were performing duties, one
was at Southampton and another at Jersey.
The vote was then agreed to.
1,3521., for the support of the -Foundling Hospital,
Dublin.

Mr. WILLIAMS objected also to this vote. He did
not see why there should be. hospitals- of the kind main-
tained in Ireland at the public expense. There was no-
thing of the kind done in England and Scotland. He gave
notice to divide on the vote the next year, if it was brought
forward ; as well as on all the other votes of the same
description.
Lord NAAS said the sum voted was for the maintenance
of persons who had been in an institution which was
abolished on the passing of the poor law. The great hos-
pitals in London were supported by endowments given
by the State years ago, otherwise they could not, even in
this great City, exist. It had been proved that the medical
school of Dublin could not exist without this grant ; and
the committee on the subject had expressed a hope that
these grants would not be withheld. The report of the
committee was most favourable to these grants, and he
wished the Government would postpone the grants until
the reports were taken into consideration.
Mr. MITCHELL was for having relative justice done to
Ireland. There was only 2001. for vaccine institutions
grantod to Ireland, whereas there was a grant of 2,0001. to
England for the same purpose ; though vaccine matter
was obtainable for nothing in England, whereas it had to
be bought in Ireland.
Mr. WILLIAMS maintained that the Vaccine Estab-
lishment was not to be compared with the Foundling Hos-
pital. All the charities in London were supported not by
the State, but by voluntary contributions.
Lord NAAS said St. Thomas's and St. Bartholomew's
were supported by lands regulated by the Crown at the
period of the Reformation.
Mr. WILLIAMS said these grants were from the
Church lands, the same as the estates of the nobility of
England.
Colonel DUNNE thought after the vast sums granted
for the National Gallery and other metropolitan institu-
tions, it was not justice to refuse a pittance to the misery
of Dublin.

Mr. BRIGHT said a good deal of this discussion was in
the dark, and he suggested that one or more committees
should be appointed at the opening of the next session to
examine into and revise the estimates. The miserable
explanations given from the Treasury bench were always
unsatisfactory.
Mr. VANCE said it would- be desirable not to proceed
on these votes until the report of the committee was be-
fore the house. That committee was chiefly composed of
English members, and they had nearly unanimously come
to a decision to increase these grants, though the majority
were English members.
Mr. V. SCULLY could not see the great advantage of
the Vaccine Establishment, when so much money was
spent on English officials. These Dublin hospitals were
national institutions, which were of general benefit to the
country.
Lord J. RUSSELL, with regard to the suggestion of the
hon. member for Manchester, said that some years ago a
committee had reported on the miscellaneous estimates,
but until the report of the committee had been received on
this subject the Government could not propose any altera-
tion or increase in this particular estimate. He trusted
that the present vote would be agreed to.
Mr. BRIGHT said he had been on a committee on offi-
cial salaries with the noble lord, which made recommenda-
tions which would have effected a saving of 75,0001. a-
year, and yet the noble lord had not sought the change
recommended. (A. laugh.) What he (Mr. Bright) desired
was, a committee which should revise the estimates annu-
ally, with functions something like those exercised by the
railway board.

Mr. V. SMITH deprecated the executive abandoning
their legitimate functions to any such committee. (Hear.)
He did not object to occasional committees which should
consider the general subject of reduction of the estimates.
He considered it a disgrace for Irish members to ask for
votes for Irish hospitals which in England and Scotland
were supported by voluntary contributions. (No, no.)
The Vaccine Establishment, to which allusion had been
made, was open to the people of the three countries, and
he deprecated Ireland appealing in forma pauperis in this
manner.

Mr. GROG AN contended that the evidence on which
the committee had recommended the reduction of these
grants was almost nil. Such was the feeling of the noble
earl, now Foreign Secretary, but formerly Lord Lieu-
tenant of Ireland, with regard to the importance of these
hospitals, that notwithstanding the report of the commit-
tee, lie prevailed upon the Treasury to continue them on
the reduced scale. (Hear.)
The vote was then agreed to.
The votes, 11,859/. for the House of Industry; 5001.,
Female Orphan House; 1,2151., Westmoreland Lock Hos-
pital ; 5001., expenses of the Lying-in Hospital, and 7951.
for Dr. Steevens' Hospital ; 1,9)0l. for the House of Re-
covery of the Fever Hospital; also a vote of 2501. for the
Hospital of Incurables, were agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the house
resumed.

The Poor Law Board Continuance Bill was read a third
time and passed.
The Union Charges Continuance Bill was read a third
time and passed.
The Indemnity Bill was read a third and passed.
The Insurance on Lives (Abatement of Income Tax)
Continuance Bill was read a third time and passed.
On the motion for the General Board of Health Bill
going through committee,
' Mr. WYSE objected to the Speaker leaving the chair,
as he intended to move that the bill be read that clay six
months. If the house were desirous of going on with the
measure—as it was a matter of importance to his parishion-
ners (laughter)—he meant his fellow-parishioners (renewed
laughter)—he was prepared to go on with his objections.
(No, no.)

Sir MOLESWORTH would defer the bill till Thurs-
day, at 12 o'clock.

On the motion for the second reading of the Episcopal
and Capitular Estates Management Bill,
Mr. LIDDELL said he hsd objections to the principles
of this bill, and hoped it would not be proceeded with.
Mr. A. PELLATT said ho objected to the second read-
ing, and would oppose it at every stage. He begged to
move it be read that day six months.
The house were about to divider when it was discovered
that there was no one but Mr. Pellatt against the bill, so
that there could be no teller. This fact being declared,
amidst great laughter, the division did not take place, and
the bill was read a second time.

TOWNS IMPROVEAENT (IRELAND) BILL.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL for Ireland moved the
third reading of this bill.

Lord NAAS said there must be some discussion on the
amended clauses, and it could hardly be taken to-night.
(Hear, bear.)
Sir J. YOUNG proposed taking the third reading then,
and postponing the discussion until the question that the
bill do pass.
Mr. I. BUTT said this was scarcely possible.
The bill was postponed.
USURY LAWS REPEAL BILL.
On the order for the second reading of this bill,
Mr. CHRISTOPHER objected, in the absence of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. (Hear, bear, and laughter.)
PUBLIC STATUES BILL.
The Lords' amendments to this bill were considered and
agreed to.

BRIBERY BILL.
This bill was postponed.
COMMON LAW PROCEDURE BILL.
This bill was postponed.
YOUTHFUL OFFENDERS BILL.
This bill was likewise postponed.
VACCINATION ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

On the order for the second reading of this bill,
Mr. BRADY objected that the legislation on the subject
was extremely imperfect and unsatisfactory. Ho should
propose amendments accordingly.
Bill read a second time.

PUBLIC LIBRARIES ACT.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
BENEFICES AUGMENTATION BILL.
This bill was postponed.
MERCHANT SHIPPING BILL.
This bill was read a third time.
On the question that it pass,
Mr. GEORGE said he hoped its operation would not be
postponed (as was now proposed) until August.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL particularly dwelt on the subject
of protection to deck passengers.
Mr. CARDWELL said there was especial provision for
deck passengers. As to the time of its coming into opera-
tion, the complexity of its details required some interval
for preparation.
Several verbal amendments having been agreed to, the
bill wag passed.

The Lords' amendments to the Church Buildings Acts
Amendment Bill were considered, and agreed to.
The Linen, &c., Manufactures (Ireland) Bill and the
Turnpike Acts Continuance (Ireland) Bill were read a
third time, and passed.
The Lords' amendments to the Witnesses Bill were con-
sidered, and agreed to.
Mr. WILSON obtained leave to bring in a bill to con-
tinue an act of the 12th year of the reign of her present
Majesty for anieudinl;, the laws relating to savings banks
i❑ Ireland.
Mr. GROGAN obtained leave to bring in a bill for the
registration Of bills of sale (Ireland).
Mr. FITZROY obtained leave to bring in a bill to au-
thorise the enclosure of certain lands, in pursuance of the
report of the Enclosure Commissioners for England and
Wales.

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bring
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Lord PALMERSTON. moved for leave to bring in a
bill (so. 2) to regulate the
police of counties.
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ethe o noblethose lordin euuNbvei withdrew dwrehwo his
re-
sameprented towns. He hoped the noble lord would pay the
consideration to those members who represented the
rural interest. If the noble lord desired to place the
po3llicre malllLo}:B73:..nriglaEntcplEoBn,
atnheet3slarme footing, the charge
ought to be thrown on the Consolidated Fund.
at the
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that no efficient police force could bo established until the

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polico of the smaller boroughs were amalgamated with the
county force.
Lord PALMERSTON agreed with the last remark of the
right hon. baronet. The present measure did not origi-
nate with the Government but with the house. His belief
was that before next session considerable inconvenience
would be found in counties from the want of such a mea-
sure ; but he had done his duty, and if county members
desired that it should be postponed till next session he
would not now press it. (Hear.)
Motion accordingly withdrawn.
The house then adjourned at ten minutes before two
o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-JuLY 3.
CONSOLIDATED CHARGES BILL.

Amendment proposed, at the end of the schedule, to add
the words " the President, Vice-President, and students of
Maynooth College, and the expenses of the establishment,
enacted by 8 and 9 Vic., c. 25"—(Mr. Spooner) : Question
put, " That those words be there added :"—The house
divided ; ayes, 90 ; noes, 10G.

AYES-90.

Aglionby, H. Forbes, W. Moody, C.
Anderson, Sir J. Freest nu, Col. Mow bray, J.
Arbnthnott, Gen. H. Gardner, It. Mu it tz, G.
Bankes, Rt. lion. G. George, J. Noel, G.
Barnes, T. Graham, Lord M. North, Col. J.
Beach. Sir M. Gr, enall, Gilbert Pakington, Sir J.
Bell, J. Grogan, Edward Palmer, Robert
Bentinek, G. Hamilton, G. A. Pellstt, A.
Beresford. Rt. Hn. W. Banbury, lion. S. Pigott, F.
Blair, Col. J. H. Hastie, Alex. Pilkington, J.
Bright, J. Hastie, Archd, Robertson, P.
Brocklelturst. J. Hawkins, W. Sawle, C.
I.:rook°, Sir A. B. Hayes, Sir E. Seymour. W.
Butler, C. S. Borstal!, T. Smijth, Sir W.
Butt, I. Hotham, Lord Smith, W.
Cairns, B. Hume, W. Stafford, A.
Challis, T. JollitTe, Sir W. Ta) lor, Col. T.
Child, Smith Jones, Capt. T. Thompson, G.
Collier, R. P. Keating, 11,
LLeane,gwton., 11. G. Tollemache, J.
Cowan, C. King, J. Tyler, Sir G.
Crook, J. Kinnaird, A. Vance, J.
Crossley, F. Knox, W. S. Vysc,, Col. R.
Wa:pole. S.
Whitmore, H.
Disraeli, Rt. Lion. B. Lennox, Lord A. F. Wise, A.
Drummond, H.
leu,. Viscount
Liddell, H. G. Yorke, E.
Duncan, Lockhart, W.
Davison,D a irY rn P
G.
Dunclas, F. MacGregor Jas.
Dunlop, A. MeTaggart, Sir J.
Ellice, E. Matins, R.
Evelyn, W. Miali, E. Spooner, R.
Floye r, J. Montgomery, Sir G. Newdegate, C.
NOES-106.

TELL EBS.

Atherton, W. Geach, C Peel, F.
Raines, Rt. Hon. M. Goderich, Viscount Perry, Sir T.
13,01, J. Goold. W. Phi dimore, J. G.
Baring, F. Greene, Capt.'John Phlnn, T.
Bellew, T. Gregson, Samuel Pollard-Urquhart W
Berkeley. G. Grevilie, Colonel F. Potter, R.
Bethell, Sir R. Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir G. Roebuck, J.
Blackest, J. F. B. Hervey, Lord A. Russell, Lord J.
Brady, J. Heywood, J. Russell, F. W.
Bramston, T. W. Heyworth, L. Sadleir, James
Brotherton, J. Higgins, G. 0. Sadleir, John
Bruce, Lord E. Horsman, E. Seholefleld, W.
Burke, Sir T. Howard, Lord E.- Scobell, Capt. G.
Cardwell. E. Hutchins, E. Scully, F.
Castlerosse, Via, Hutt, W. Scully. V
Cayley, E. S. Keating, R. Seymour, H.
Clay, Sir W. ti t. Kennedy. T. Shea, Serjt. W.
Cobden, R. Keogh, W. Shelley, Sir J.
Cockburn, Sir A. J. E. Kirk, W. Strickland, Sir G.
Cogan, W. H. F. Lindsay, W Strtitt, E.
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COURT OF BANKRUPTCY.-July 1.

IN RE CHARLES MATHEWS.

His Honour to-day gave judgment on the question of
certificate. He said—Mr. Charles Mathews, the emi-
nent actor, having become bankrupt, and having passed
his last examination, applied for his certificate about a
week ago, his application being not only unopposed, but
supported by a paper signed by almost all his creditors,
which was in these words :—" We, the undersigned
creditors of Mr. Mathews, beg most respectfully to ex-
press our unabated confidence in him, and to request, if
it be not improper in us to interfere, that your Honour
may be pleased to award an immediate and high class
certificate," This paper was signed by his largest cre-
ditor, Mr. Allcroft, and by the Marquis of Abercorn,
also a large creditor, and by other creditors of amounts
varying from hundreds to sums of 201. and under. I
should have been glad to have relieved -Mr. Mathews's
anxiety at once, but I knew so little of the case, owing
to there being no dissatisfied creditor, and therefore no
discussion before me at any stage of the proceedings.
that I felt it necessary to call for the papers and examine
them at home. I have now done so, and am happy to
find that I can comply with the wishes of the creditors
and give him a first class certificate. (Applause.) The
outline of his case is as follows :—ln 1838 Mr. and Mrs.
Mathews were induced by very tempting offers—offers
which held out the realisation in a short time of 20,0001.
and upwards, to go to America. They were at that
time managing the Olympic Theatre, which had for
many years been a successful undertaking. Unfortu-
nately their voyage to America ended in entire disap-
pointment, and during their absence the Olympic ceased
to be successful, so that the result was, that Mr. Ma-
thews, whilst gaining nothing in America, lost about
3,0001. in this country. Mr. Mathews seeing no hope
of retrieving so great a loss at so small a theatre, was
induced to accept an offer, seemingly
very advan-
tageous, of a lease of Covent Garden Theatre,
but after be had struggled through three seasons the
theatre was taken from him, all his theatrical pro-
perties were seized, and he found himself charged with
several thousand pounds for rent, the justice of which
charge, however, he never acknowledged. This
though mistaken
com-
pelled him to have recourse to the Insolvent Debtors'
Court, which granted him the usual relief. Unfortu-
nately, under the influence of a high
sense of honour, he was no sooner relieved by the In-
solvent Debtors' Court than he renewed such of his debts
as be thought were justly due, by giving his acceptances
for them to the amount of 3,000/. This, of course, in-
volved him in fresh difficulties for the acceptances were
passed to persons who had no scruple in suing upon
them, and in a short time his difficulties were as great
as ever, and in 1843 he found himself again obliged to
apply to the law for relief. Relief was again granted,
but unfortunately, un warned by the past, he would not
retain the protection of the law, but endeavoured, by
means of Mr. Delafield, to make a private arrangement
pay his creditors 6s, Bd. in the pound, and, thinking
he had arranged it successfully, be procured his petition
to be dismissed. Mr. Delateld was prevented from cir-
cumstances, from and Mr. Matthews
was, in consequence unable htoisppaayrt,the last instalment,
the non-payment of which placed him in his old posi-
tion. His debts were revived. Meanwhile a capitalist
had offered to assist him in taking the Lyceum Theatre,
and so decoratin it and furnishing it to 'rake it attrac-
tive, rid having determined to engage in this specula-
tion, he spent a large sum, and incurred a large debt in
carrying it out ; but, unfortunately, when the expense
had been incurred, and the debt had to be paid, the ca-
pitalist failed, and Mr. Matthews found himself in greater
difficulties than ever. Still he struggled on till 1851, when
he found himself again compelled to invoke the aid of
the law,
His case happened to come before me, and he
sought reliefiunder a modern act, which provides for pri-
vate arrangements.
At first I was impressed with the
feeling that his case was not one entitling him to the pri-
vilege of arranging his affairs privately, but that he
ought to settle iu open court, and I refused to sanction
the proceeding ; but upon having the case more fully
inquired into by an accountant named by myself, and
being furnished with full details by that accountant, I
decidedto protect him, and accordingly he was protected
under that petition, on certain terms approved by his
creditors, one of those terms being that the accountant
named by me should keep the accounts of the theatre,
and act as trustee of any surplus for the creditors. Under
that protection and ari angement Mr. Mathe ws continued
his theatrical exertions till the time of his bankruptcy,
the Lyceum furnishing him and Mrs. Mathews with a
moderate though decent return for their exertions, and
paying its way till the Easter season of 1853 again
brought him into difficulties from which his only rescue
was, what lie had been constantly though foolishly endea-
vouring to avoid, bankruptcy. I say, foolishly, because
to an honest debtor bankruptcy is the best protection.
It will be seen from the above detail, that his life from
the moment of his departure for America to the present
time has been a constant struggle with difficulties, diffi-
culties against which it was vain to contend, because he
was always in the position of a man trying to swim with
a stone round his neck; he was overweighted with debt.
He has been guilty of no dishonesty, no extravagance,
that I can see. The only fault he had committed is one
which, though in my opinion the greatest of faults--,I
bad almost said crimes—public opinion will not regard
as such, the fault or crime of flying in the face of the
law on two occasions by rejecting its provisions anti