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HOUSE OF LORDS—{YESTERDAY.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his, seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.
The Bishop of EXETER presented petitions against
the Canada Clergy Reserves Bill.
Lord CAMPBELL presented a: petition from Cupar,
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the Canada Clergy Reserves Bill. ;
The Earl of WINCHILSE4 presented petitions
against the Maynooth Grant.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented petitions
from the Protestant Dissenters of Nirmingham, and also
from Southampton, in favour of tlfe Jew Bill.
THE TURKISH QI7ESTION.
In answer to the Marquis Of CLANRICARDR, who
entered into the events which live lately taken place
in Turkey, all of which have Veen detailed at great
length in the public prints, and asked for information
as to the present state of the negotiations,
The Earl of CLARENDON said that, as a portion of
the negotiations were still pending, he must decline to
furnish any information-on the subject at present: He
might state, however, 'that her Majesty's Government
felt. to,, the utmost the great importance of maintaining
the integrity of the Ottoman Empire, and from the com-
munications which he had had, he might assure their
lordships that that would be the guiding principle of the
policy of all the great European Powers towards Turkey.
the Turkish empire had nothing to fear from external
aggressions if the Porte would ohly pay greater atten-
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treatment of its Christian subjects. It was with a view
to pressing this subject on the attention of the Porte
that Lord Stratford had been ordered to repair to his
post at Constantinople, and a special character was for that
purpose given to his mission. With regard to the mission
of Prince Menschikoff, it had reference to the question of
the Holy Shrines. The reports of disturbances having
occurred within the last few days were greatly exagge-
rated, if not wholly false, as a telegraphic dispatch had
been received from Lord Stratford, stating that, on the
14th instant, all was quiet at Constantinople. There
was not, he believed, the slightest danger of the peace
of Euro2e being disturbed by any misunderstanding on
this question.
Lord BEAUMONT said the statement of the noble
lord was very assuring and filled him with confidence
that the interests of Turkey were perfectly safe ; but he
asked the noble lord if he would lay the papers on the
table of the house ?
The Earl of CLARENDON said he could not at that
moment state whether he could lay the papers referred
to on the table ; but if no inconvenience would arise
to the public service, he should be able to give his noble
friend what information he could in that shape.
Lord BEAUMONT said the explanation made the case
much more satisfactory than it was before.

THE CLERGY RESERVES BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill ; Lord
REDESDILE in the chair.
The Earl of DERBY said before the question was
put "that this clause stand part of the bill," he-was de-
sirous of having the opportunity of addressing their
lordships on the amendment of which he had given
notice in the shape of a proviso. That amendment was
in itself so just, so reasonable, and as it appeared to
him that the principle on which it was founded was of
such universal application, that he entertained the most
sanguine expectations that it would be adopted. He
felt more sanguine of such a result if he could believe
that they could come to the conclusion of this question
setting aside political and party consideration, and
going into it on impartial, if not judicial considera-
tions, because he was satisfied, if they looked at it in
a judicial character, they would find there were prin-
ciples about to be infringed by this bill which it was
their duty in their
.high capacity to protect, and which
would to a certain extent be protected by the amend-
ment he proposed. It might be said that the amend-
ment did not fully come up to the claims of justice
and equity, but he desired not to meet the bill with any
factious opposition, but so to amend the bill that they
might to some extent reconcile the imperative claims of
a judicial principle with those liberal views and objects
which her Majesty's Government had in view, in offering
to the colonial legislature a power larger than that
which any colonial legislature had ever yet possessed.
The effect of the amendment would be to grant to the
Canadian Legislature all that was proposed with regard
to the clergy reserves not hitherto appropriated and
allotted under the authority of grants of the Crown, or
acts of Parliament, for the specific use of the clergy.
He proposed to limit the power to be given to the Cana-
dian Legislature, so that it should be prospective only.
A noble earl said, in a former debate, that the adoption
of this amendment would as effectually destroy the effect
of the bill as if they had rejected the bill on the second
reading. He entirely demurred on that statement. If
the amendment were agreed to, the Canadian Legisla-
ture would have the absolute disposal of the unappropri-
ated lands of the clergy, containing no less than 1,500,000
acres, valued at 430,000/. The noble duke (the Duke of
Newcastle), on the second reading, said the bill in point
of fact only restored to the Canadian Legislature the
powers which had been exercised by the Legislature of
Upper Canada under the act of 1791. That act gave the
Canadian Legislature power to vary and repeal the pro-
visions of the act with regard to the endowment of the
Protestant Church, but it went on to subject that
legislation to a most important control, by providing
that no alteration should be assented to by the crown
till the bill had been laid on the table of either house for
thirty days, nor if the house interposed by an address.
This bill took away that restriction. In the amendment
which he now proposed to their lordships, he asked
them to lake the same course which the government had
taken in the measure of 1840, extending that concession,
however, much further and much more liberally to the
colony by offering absolute control over all future ap-
propriations, but in regard to the endowments that had
been sanctioned by grants of the crown and by the re-
visal of the Legislature, by investments in the public
funds, and by the appointment of trustees to provide for
their distribution, he proceeded upon the principle that
even if parliament had the power it had not the right
to alienate them. (Hear, hear.) His argument was
that if parliament alienated from the church these re-
serves they would:strike at the very root of the whole
system on which the church was based. (Hear, hear.)
This bill was something in the nature of an appropriation
clause ; it proceeded on the principle that if attention
was paid to the interests of the existing incumbents, the
property of the church might be dealt with as the Ca-
nadian legislature might think fit, and he warned their
lordships not to lay down for the first time so
dangerous and so confiscating a principle. (Hear, hear.)
If that was indeed the opinion of ' the House of
Lords, let it be declared in a broad and general as-
sertion of the principle; but let it not be insinuated
by its adoption in a comparatively insignificant case.
(Hear, hear.) As regarded the withdrawal of the third
clause, he was astonished at the course taken by the
Government, it was in direct violation of what the
Chancellor of the Exchequer had called "not merely a
virtual, but a public and -actual compact." (Hear.),
The Government had, however, succeeded in with-
drawing the clause, notwithstanding the opposition of
their Radical supporters—(hear, hear, and laughter)—
and had so succeeded by the assistance of what he (the
Earl of Derby) must still be permitted to call the Con-
servative party—(cheers)—in the House of Commons.
The Liberal-Conservative-Republican Government—
(great laughter)—he might go, on with more such defi-
nitions—(renewed laughter)—included in it gentlemen
who "gloried in the name of Radical ;" and who had
supported the bill chiefly for its merits in that third
clause : so that he was equally surprised at the intro-
duction and at the withdrawal of the clause. But he
regretted the course 'pursued not because of its incon-
sistency, but because of its being utterly subversive of
all faith in public men. (Hear, hear.) He defied the
Government to vindicate the transaction—the guarantee
m aßduet i his
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The noble duke made it a recommendation to their lord-
shipsconsistent
interests that a
of
existingwt h distinctth reservee incumbentsarargument.
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mwenagt. on which the bill was
based—the argument that these reserves were the proper
subjects of control to the local legislature.
.(Hear, hear.)
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Id not be trusted with these
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Canadian Legislature could o
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their lordships, and the principle
proposed to submit to
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property had been
if
involved in it was broadly t 1
interestsbelieved
haexdisnteinwgeeinnceulumdbeednttsh
existing body ; and if, on the faith of that assignment,
investments had been
made, new churches built, and
and Christianity spread over the
assigned by a competent authority, in permanence to an
new parishes created,
right by the mere exercise
—in their consciences did they believe that they had the
circumstances, to look to the interests
right, under the ci
country in which property
of the authority of Parliament
was situated, had they a
right which they did not possess
themselves, but let the
Cana-
nadian Parliament a
maintain in Canada the prin-
ciplesthemtia ri
d in England, and there
which were maintained
tahm
of individuals only ? Let themnot give to the
the justice of their decision.
If the feelings of the loyalin
ulation of Canada were
' population
them not fear that the
• h with their lordships, e
to wog
would be no fear but that the intelligence and justice of
nt had dealt with them
duce them to say that Parliame
absolute control over all which
liberally, and given them
but bad refused to them
it was in their power to give,
motives what they had refused to
sense and discrimination of that population would in-
ducee
from conscientious

themselves, for it was not theirs to give, unless by a
violation of the rights of property. (Cheers.)

The Duke of NEWCASTLE said he was too mindful
of the patience extended to him by the house on Friday
night to trespass at any greater length than was possible
upon their lordships now. He would not follow the ex-
ample of the noble earl, who had made a speech now
which he ought to have made on Friday, and which had
been reserved for to-night. The noble earl was a great
tactician, but it was for the house to say how far tactics
were appropriate to a bill of this kind, and how far it
was appropriate to take the chance of catching a majority
in this stage of a bill, on which there bad been no dis-
cussion on the second reading, although they were told
that its principle was vicious. They were told by a right
rev. prelate that the bill was sacrilege, and by a noble
and learned lord that it was a gross infraction of the
rights of property, and yet the conservative party, as the
noble earl called it, in contradistinction to that side of
the house, were so conservative of the rights of the
church, that for the chance of a party triumph, they
would not divide on the second reading of a bill which
they declared to be sacrilege and a gross infraction of the
rights of property, The noble earl was not only a great
tactician, but he was also a great artist, for he had con-
trived to wrap up and conceal what were the views and
principles contained in bis own amendment. The noble
earl had gone through every question connected with the
bill, and one-third of his speech was occupied in discus-
sing a clause which was no longer in the bill, and which
had not come up to their lordships' house, but the noble
earl had studiously concealed, if the bill was what he de-
clared it to be, that his amendment was as vicious in prin-
ciple as the bill itself. (Hear, hear.) What had the
noble earl done 1 He—the leader of the gr- at Conserva-
tive party—the leader of the landed aristocracy—had
called on the house to give a stability to realised pro-
perty: which he claimed to land ; for he said he was
ready to give to the legislature of Canada the power of
dealing with a million-and-a-half acres of land ; he would
be ready to sanction this, as gross an infraction of the
rights of property ; but he would not allow that which
had been sold, and ;the funds derived from it, to be
touched. Was that a repudiation of sacrilege and the
rights of property ? What did the noble and learned
lord the late Lord Chancellor say, but that if respect for
the rights of property was to be good for anything it
must be universal ;" and yet the late prime minister
gave up half of this property to preserve the other half.
The noble earl impugned the principle of the bill, and yet
was establishing a similar principle of his own. He (the
Duke of Newcastle) did not believe when he heard the
noble earl on Friday night give notice of his amendment,
that it could be framed in the manner he then stated he
proposed to do. The noble earl in three-quarters of his
speech reverted to minute criticism on the third clause
which had been omitted from the bill, and which related
to the guarantee of 1840. However the noble earl
might criticise his (the Duke of Newcastle's) dispatch,
he would say that the guarantee was omitted for the
cause he had stated on Friday. But the noble earl
misrepresented the position in which the guarantee stood
tthhea t
guaranteethe
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peerre
on
owphienniohn
ethsaatid
which it was written. He (the Duke of Newcastle) as-
serted that it would stand on the same footing as it did
now. If the noble earl meant that the money and land
would not be so secure in the hands of the Canadian Le-
gislature as in those of the British Parliament, he (the
Duke of Newcastle) maintained that that was an argu-
ment against the whole bill, and not against the omission
of the clause relating to the guarantee. The guarantee
was given for a specific purpose, namely, in case the
funds appropriated to the church should fall beyond a
given amount. It remained in the same position, and
if it was handed over to the Canadian Legislature, if
such an accident should occur, it would still be available,
and still have the same effect as now ; and the only dif-
ference was, that you removed the jurisdiction and the
trust from the British Parliament to that of Canada.
The noble earl said that if the bill passed he should pre-
fer that the second clause should be omitted, and that
existing interests should not be respected. That was a
novel doctrine as coming from any one, and especially
from the leader of the conservative party. The noble
earl had appealed to the right reverend bench, and asked
whether, if it was a question relating to the Church of
England, they would consent to a measure which would
alienate the property of the Church while it left them-
selves intact. He (the Duke of Newcastle) believed
that those right rev. prelates would make no
such distinction. But was there no precedent ? Did
not the noble earl bring in a bill to reduce the episcopate
of Ireland by ten bishops ? and he did not say that he
would not legislate for existing interests.. No, the noble
earl preserved existing interests ; and it was only as tin
bishoprics became vacant by deaths that they ceased.
The noble earl had acted on that principle ; and there
was no great chance of the right rev. bench being influ-
enced by appeals to them like that. The noble duke
then proceeded to advert to the statements of the Bishop
of Exeter and Lord St. Leonards on Friday last. He
said, the right rev. prelate stated in strong language
that ho (the Duke of Newcastle) was bound, by a sense
of personal honour, to delay this bill for thirty days on
their lordships' table because he had misrepresented
the question as regarded the Roman Catholic :endow-
ments in Canada—and the noble and learned lord pur-
sued the same course. They stated that he (the Duke
of Newcastle) had said that the clergy reserves rested on
the same footing as the Roman Catholic endowments,
and the right rev. prelate said it was the fact that the
rights of the;Roman Catholic priesthood to these endow-
ments could not be changed by the Canadian legislature,
the measure must be laid before their lordships' house.
So far as the statement of the right rev. prelate went it
was correct. But it was not the case with the
noble and learned lord, for he said that in order to
the security of the property of the Roman Catholic
Church, if any measure relating to it was passed
by the Canadian Legislature it must be laid on
the table of that house. The noble and learned lord
was mistaken. The words of the act of 1744 were
" the dues and rights of the Roman catholic church,"
and the same words were used in the act of 1793, in
which act, for the first time, was found the provision
that such a measure must be before their lordships for
30 days, before the crown could give effect to it. It
was to the " dues and rights alone " to which the act
referred. What were those dues and rights '1 They
were the tithes alone, not the tenth, but the 26th of the
cereals derived from land possessed by Roman catholics
alone, and which had often been evaded by the denial of
Roman catholics that they belonged to that church.
Lord ST. LEONARDS said he was not guilty of any
misrepresentation, for he was aware that the dues and
rights only represented tithes.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE—The noble and learned
lord used the word " property."
Lord ST. LEONARDS said he used the words dues
and rights, which meant tithes, and that he called pro-
perty.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE—The noble and learned
lord could not say that tithes so held could be com-
pared to the clergy reserves, and the great seigniories
which belonged to the church of England, and he
maintained that it was only a mystification to say
that the property of the Roman catholics was the same.
He would say that the great bulk of the Roman
catholic property in Canada did not now stand on
precisely the same footing as the clergy reserves would
stand if the bill passed. With regard to the amend-
ment, the noble earl said that nothing could be more
just and moderate than it was. No doubt it would be
so, if they were discussing a measure of confiscation or
secularisation, and were setting the Canadian Parliament
on one side, and the British House of Commons on the
other. But it was, in fact, splitting the difference, and
saying, "If you will give up a portion of what you
claim as a right, you shall retain the remainder." This
measure, however, was not based on the question
whether the arrangement of 1840 was just and right or
not, or whether the clergy reserves should be appropri-
ated to all the religious denominations of the colony ;
but on the question whether they were to dictate to the
Canadian Parliament on a matter entirely connected
with that country ; and he would say that it would not
be palatable to the Canadians to hand over to them the
management of the land, and appropriate the proceeds
of the land which had been invested. The noble lord
said that the Government had been vacillating and un-
certain of purpose, but he (the Duke of Newcastle) said
that they had aimed at but one object throughout.
But what lad been the conduct of the noble earl him-
self? The noble earl's Colonial Secretary and Home
Secretary in the other house had attacked the bill
on the highest principle. The noble lord by the
side of the noble earl had done the same, and
so had the right reverend prelate ; but the noble earl
talked of vacillation and uncertainty of purpose,
when he had moved an amendment which retained one-
half of the matter in dispute, and gave up the other.
What was vacillation and uncertainty of purpose if that
was not ? Ho (the Duke of Newcastle) maintained that
it would have been more just, right, and becoming to
this country and to the colony to have rejected the bill
on the second reading, than to go on with it with this
principle engrafted on it. Why had the act of 1840
failed? Not because it was an arrangement either un-
just or bad in itself, but because it was made by the
British Parliament and not by the Canadian Legisla-
ture, and, he would ask, why repeat that experiment ?
You would only abandon half the property in question
for nothing ; you would not have gained peace or conci-
liated the colony, which the noble earl said it was his
desire to make happy and contented. The noble earl
had made a further distinction, and said that you had
no right to touch the realised fund or the invested pro-
perty, and so anxious was he to prevent the bill from
being :a boon to the colony that he would not decide
eit
what the land itself was. He could understand the
noble earl saying he would take the land and give you
woud
the money, but he said not only shall you secure, in
tnh eci rapn raedsae,n t
and position,to th et
presenthe in invested s
trustees,t e fundsd
butto the
th at churchestal the
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rents accruing from the lands now devised for terms of
years shall be equally appropriated. (" No," from Lord
Leonards.) He could give no other meaning to it, and
two eminent lawyers whom he had consulted had told
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adopt the amendment to that extent.
Lord WHARNOLIFFE thought it most impolitic to