The Sun.
London, England, 1838-11-13 00:00:00

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LONDON :
TUESDAy EVENING, NOVEMBER 13, 1838.

Aar I v
The publication of the Second Volume of the
epiden taken before the Committee of the House of
dir"in'ns to inquire into the Post-office, invites us to
Stilel,t the public attention to some of the evils which
Hang about this department of the State. No
i'•ePort
accompanies the evidence, the Committee
'i leav-
ne Rouse and the public to draw their own con-
thrsi"s. But to do this the public must wade
linl
voi agll 11,654, questions and answers, or two folio
pages
of upwards of 400 pages, and nearly 300
ves'ae. 'lf documents. Sucli immensely voluminous in-
thgaticns would be of little public utility, were it not
that the
the index serves as a tolerably good analysis of the
hoe e
and abbreviates the labour of reading and search-
withh
town, as the document now is, before the public
eon Out any conclusions being drawn from it, or any re-
exalinendations made, the subject is still open to the
dist42,..Linaion and suggestions of ingenious men. To
k.:uute correspondence, or more emphatically, to
tribute written thought, whether of business,
obd i
undute
usealent, or instruction, through the community, is
yieaapi)so,,cial necessity, and to accomplish it
well and el is worthy of the efforts of the highest
Een4is,
th•llat we are met at the threshold by the fact, that
risl3 distribution of thought has hitherto been monopo-
tiled by the Government as a source of revenue, and
4t all possible improvements must be made subser-
f..e,et to obtaining the means for keeping up a waste-
I and extravagant expenditure, including pensions to
Lord BLoNIFIELD, the King of HANG VER, Sze., Sze.
It will however, be some satisfaction to the public to
:nap, that only one or two witnesses gave an opinion
a avcur of making the Post-office a means of collecting
c , revenue. One of them, Mr. BIANCONI, the
itelebrated mail-car contractor in Ireland, defends
the ground that it falls wholly on those who
rite for business or amusement. The poor cannot
bll °w, as several witnesses prove, use the Post•office
e cause of its expense, and to be wholly excluded from
it,, benefits, appears in Mr. BIANCONI'S estimation to
e neither a loss nor a suffering. The other witness
'4 its favour goes no further than to say that it is ju-
dicious, if it do not prevent communication and pro-
(like illicit trade, which amounts to a strong disap-
proval of the present Post-office tax. All the other
Witnesses who are asked the question depose against
making the Post-office a source of revenue, and use
vlerY strong language on the subject. The cautious
4-4,l°4lAstißußToN, for example, says, " I have always
is :11°ught it a bad means of raising a revenue. I think it
ene of the worst of our taxes. We have unfortu-
atelY many taxes which have an injurious tendency,
tullut think few, if any, have so injurious a tendency as
te tax upon the communication of letters." A Mr.
oe,.„°") an extensive merchant and shipowner at Li-
le-veci, also says, " that it is the least desirable
arce from which a revenue could be drawn," and
wheelwiu the Id: it
public come to understand the matter, "
Mini
such a storm in favour of reducti3n, that no
tax-,;sters Can hold their seats without taking off the
is th I° make the Post-office pay its own expenses,
tesse utmost extent to which the majority of the wit-
e3
all t, go ; but with the two exceptions adverted to,
ue Other
tten L s object to taxing the communication of
the tuought. This is one great point gained by
inve'"gati„,
with that on. Public opinion already coincides
day,tuat of the witnesses ; and we hope, at no distant
ii-ntlert°,see the Parliament acting on that opinion, and
char
bin
to distribute letters all over the kingdom,
Boeingln only a sum sufficient to cover the expense.
being
rflEn, a the case a new field is open to ingenious.
the e by whatever means can be devised for facilitating
°"ve 'an
Itecebt ghee and distribution of letters will be an
the t' atue offering to the public. At present, indeed,
fore 43(
exists, and cannot well be spared; and we there-
she
the confine our future remarks to such parts of
l'
the ~,ence as suggest improvements subservient to
oar, ,
adonted %mica Mr. JONES LOYD regrets was ever
' of making inter-communication by post the
et of taxation.

ot this uPy the following paragraph from the Times
mornillg

"DUBLIN, Nov. 11.
"4,BIAiL TITHE CONFLICT.—SIX LIVES LOST.
dec'tnit .trer had despatched my letter yesterday evening, ac-
VIY, Thea,c,becl townof a tithe conflict in Tipperary, on Fri-
•erbailli "'nob six lives were sacrificed. The statement caree
all pal! to the
Imperial Hotel, where most of the mails frohm
PassengerstB the country put up. I questioned several of
rtrede
Eta bY the Southern coaches, all of whom con„cu
reat
tithe
,Ing hat there 11-4 been what they termed a
ktile(ialaughter "
ropers
Ther and they all mendtioonbetdi4s,hixotialsorthaell
tnhuogrnsboefr_
era wer e appears to be some o
l'inrts • e Persons engaged in distraining cattle, one of the
Inltee cloudingln the assailing peasants as well as the bailiffs
kid &1s tvictims
bet e less
of Of, the generalt fact as to the conflict,
be no doubt whatever
a the
o_, .ives, tuere seems
degree matter of detail which I could ascertain with any
'4l4en ot
certainty is, that a gentleman named Ussher is
nay tst the killed.- The particular locality in Tipperary 1
nave
serreen unable to make out ; but it is possible that the let-
ecntaitteln that part of the country received in town to. day may
tiscltno information on the subject."
si Ile course of this evening it is very likely that.
of th receive either a confirmation or a correction
t 0 nielaneholy statement—for we have no reason
Woolard it as wholly unfounded. It is not the first
Irish tithe that has been written upon the
4bOr L Bill; and unless measures be taken to
gaols" altogether that iniquitous impost, as far as re-
4as'e
athe Catholic population, right well are we
,117" that it will not be the last. There is no use
tio„-'"ing matters. No measure short of the aboli-
Wiii of the tithe system, as at present existing,
44,7 give tranquillity to Ireland. To suppose that
J Con
Coati
nu:leeSeSlOnf will reconcile the Cathol.ics. to the
o a system the yely principle oy
3 a violation of reli,4tous equalicytis

to offer an insult to the good sense, the te-
ligious feeling, and the public spirit of a
large majority of the Irish people. The Catholics of
Ireland have purchased with their blood the extinction
of this tyrannical impost ; and—whatever threats Mi-
nisters may indulge in—they now know too well the
secret of their own strength, and can calculate with
sufficient confidence upon the moral support, which
they will receive from the people of England and
Scotland, to doubt the final result. But we ask the Go-
vernment—we will even put it to the Protestant Priest-
hood oflreland themselves—ls it consonant with reason,
with the maxims of sound policy, or with the genius
of Christianity, to endeavour to uphold a system
which they must know and feel is doomed to de-
struction by provoking a wanton effusion of innocent
blood ? Surely it is not judged necessary to add to
the unpopularity of the Protestant Church in Ireland,
in order to attach a miraculous importance to any Irish
conversions to the Reformed faith ? The most furious
zealot will find reason to be satisfied with the obstacles
which a Reformed Priesthood have thrown i❑ his way
in the event of his attempting the diffusion of Pro-
testantism in the sister country, without the addition to
old scores, of a new listof muiders.

If there is one sect or party, political or religious!,
,hat would be more benefited than another by the
speedy and amicable settlement of affairs in Ireland it
is the party that formerly called themselves Tory—
that lately adopted the epithet of Conservative—that
would now be called Improvers, but who may be more
properly and comprehensively designated by the epithet
Irish-haters. By their bigotted opposition to every
concession to the Catholics, till extorted by fear—by
their suicidal declarations to maintain that monstrous
establishment the Irish Church, in all its in-
tgrity—and by the detestable epithets heaped by
.heir organs on seven millions of Catholics,
hey have acquired a character in that country
vhich, till modified by new concessions, and proofs of
sincere repentance, will continue to keep them out of I
office ; or, what is more galling, expel them, after a
few months' tenure, as they were expelled in 1835. It
is impossible, from the nature of things, that the re-
sult can be otherwise. A standing force of seven
millions, or nearly one-third of the inhabitants of the
Kingdom, united as one body, and ready to join any
party, or parties, against the Government, must form a
fearful odds against the durability of a Tory Adminis-
tration. And what, in fact, keeps the Whigs in office
at the present moment but the folly of these Irish-
haters ? By one means and another the repre-
sentatives of Great Britain are nearly equally balanced.
The Irish Members turn the scale—and why ? Not
from their numbers, but because they are supported by
many English and Scotch Members, who can see only
endless strife or civil war by the return to office of men
who will not grant municipal rights to their fellow-
subjects because they are Catholics, and who, though'
they have cut off half a score of Bishops, abolished
Church-eess, and given the landowners a fourth of the
tithes, will still persevere in refusing even the Smallest
portion of this sacred Church property, thus invaded in
every quarter, for the moral and religious education of
the people. How would the case stand between
Whigs and Tories, if Sir ROBERT PEEL were to
come forward as he did in 1829, or do as Lord ELLEN-
BOROUGH avowed the Tories were ready to do in
1832, and offer more ample concessions and more
sweeping meastlres of Reform than any yet proposed for
Ireland, by placing that country on a footing of perfect
equality with Great Britain ? Would he fina the
Irish Catholic Members arrayed in a compact body in
his front as now ? Would all the Liberal British
Members oppose him when justice was rendered to
Ireland? and would the tithes and the Irish Protestant
Church be exposed to half the danger that now
threatens them from the simultaneous rising of land•
lords, tenants, and peasants, at present directed only
against tithes, but in a short time probably to be
directed against every species of Church property ?
The danger that threatens us from that quarter,
by listening to the voice of bigotted Orangemen,
cannot he regarded without fear. Sir ROBERT PEEL
has found to his cost what their support is worth ; and,
as he once threw them overboard when they stood in
the way of a great healing measure, we cannot antici-
pate that he will allow them to keep one-third of the
empire in a state of dangerous excitement, by refusing
to concede what does not amount to the tenth part of
the concessions made to Catholics during the present
generation.
-Mb

We insert in another place an account of the pro-
ceedings of a public meeting held at Bombay, to con-
sider of erecting a memorial to Sir ROBERT GRANT,
the late lamented Governor of that Presidency. By
his humane, diligent, and wise conduct in his Govern-
ment, Sir ROBERT GRANT extended the reputation
he had previously acquired in England. Here, how-
ever, he was chiefly known as an accomplished though
somewhat fastidious orator, and all his worth was not
appreciated till he was removed to a sphere where
almost unlimited power called forth his virtues.
With a sage on the throne, despotism is said to
be the best form of Government, and Sir ROBERT
GRANT seems to have been one of those men
to whom despotism might be safely entrusted. " Not
,
a class," says a Contemporary, " not a trade, even,
seems to have been overlooked by him, in his exer-
tions for improvement ;" and, accordingly, the speakers
at the meeting could not praise him enough. He was
zealous in removing abuses, and promoting
improve-
ments ; and the manner in which those who were
under his sway now speak of him, is a more
honourable memorial than any constructed of brass
or marble. When we are so frequently pained
by examples of statesmen making splendid pronitses
only to betray, it is refreshing to find in this honest
Governor a gentleman who did more for the public
benefit than he promised, or than the people expected.

We have inserted elsewhere an excellent letter from
Dr. MURRAY, the Catholic Archbishop of Dublin, to
the Most Rev. Dr. MACHALE, alias JOHN TUAM,
a person of some talent, certainly, but distinguished
chiefly by his assumption of a title which does not be-
long to him, and by a furious opposition to the Na-
tional System of Education in Ireland. Dr. Mutt-
RAY'S object in the letter alluded to is to show that
the objections which JOHN TUAM has brought for-
ward against the National System are without founda-
tion, and this purpose he has accomplished in an ad-
mirable manner. Nothing can be more complete than
his refutation of Dr. MACH ALE'S charges, nothing
more beautiful than the style in which he administers
reproof to his erring brother, whose late conduct has
excited the surprise and regret of every enlightened
Catholic in Ireland, and of every friend to Ireland else-
where. That conduct was indeed a mystery which nobody
could fathom until now that Dr. Mutt RAY has furnished
the public with a solution—a solution which must render
the future hostility of JOHN TUAM to the National
System perfectly harmless. It now appears that all
the new-born zeal which this pious and humble-minded
ecclesiastic has exhibited to protect the Catholic faith
in Ireland from the awful danger to which it is exposed
by the National System, is not altogether so pure—not
quite so free from the alloy of carnal motives, as he
would have the world believe.

We learn from Dr. MURRAY'S letter, that not long
before the first outburst of Dr. MAcHALE's wrath
against the National System, in which he denounced
it as every thing that was hateful in principle, and

objectionable in practice, anathematizing, at the same
time, every person concerned in its administration, this
very Dr. MA cHALE had applied to the Board of Com-
missioners for a grant of money wherewith to esta-
blish a National school at a place called Holly mount
Now the simple fact that JOHN 'FOAM made such
an application is the strongest proof that can be given
that, up to that time at least, he approved of the
system' which he has since discovered to be so fraught
with evil.

We arc bound to believe, too, that this approval
was not an unconsidered act ; it must have been the
result of deliberation. Nothing•short of a profound
conviction of the soundness of the system arising from
a strict investigation of its merits, could have secured
for it the patronage of so doughty a champion of the
ancient faith. To suppose that he adopted it with-
out such examination, would be in the highest degree
derogatory to his character ; for it would be to suppose
that the watchman placed on the house top—nay, on
one of the highest pinnacles of the Catholic Church
—had fallen asleep on his post.
How, then, are we to account for so sudien a
wheel to the other side—so perfect a piece of Jim
Crowism—in so grave a personage as an Archbishop,
and on so grave a subject as National Education ?
Alas, for poor human nature f It is, after all, much
the same in lawn sleeves and under a frieze jacket.
JOHN T uAm applied for a grant of money to establish
a school in the house of t'te Rev. James Mac Hale,
and the grant was ref used. Here is the secret of
JOHN'S hostility to the National System and its ad-
ministrators. The Most Reverend Archbishop wanted
to perpetrate a snug little job, and was defeated in the
attempt. This disappointment still rankles in a breast
not often visited, we fear, by the virtues of meekness,
humility, and charity.

No Foreign Papers have been received up to the
hour at which we write (two o'clock, P.M.) Should
they reach us in sufficient time this evening, and be
found to contain anything of importance, we shall
communicate it to our readers in a Second Edition.

MONEY AND COMMERCIAL NEWS.

CITY (TILTS DAY), TWELVE O'CLOCK.
Arrival this morning—only a Hamburg mail. No ship
Letters.

LIVERPOOL COTTON MARKET, Nov. 12.—The transactions
in our Cotton Market this day are only to a moderate extent.
The sales are 3,000 bags, at Friday's quotations.
Accounts from Athens to the Ist of October state that his
Majesty has left on a tour to Roumelia—as it is expected that
his journey will have the promised effect, and the King will
see in person the numerous abuses which have pervaded this
province for a length of time.
Accounts from Constantinople state that a commission has
been sent to Trebisond ; its objects are to establish and
preserve the health of that city ; and it has already made the
following dispositions :-
1. A sanatory cordon has been placed round the town, and
an inspection of three days of all persons and merchandize
which arrive from the different points of the interior.
2. All persons who wish to embark at Tresbisonde for Con-
stantinople, in steamers or other vessels, must perform a
quarantine of fifteen days, in a locality situated in one of the
faubourgs.
3. The provinces or the Capital are admitted to free pra-
tique, with the exception of steam-vessels, and, for their own
safety, must not communicate with the town, to prevent
their being put into quarantine, or their getting to Con-
stantinople. -
Letters from Trebisonde to the 27th September, state that
a great improvement in the public health has taken place,
and that the pest was on the decline. Great hopes are enter-
tained from the measure taken by the Commission sanitaire.