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London, England, 1838-03-17 00:00:00

IRISH POOR-LAW BILL.

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• , Upon clause 67 4, g proposed; -
11r. O'CONNELL had no doubt that the opivatiort of
eiatic would make the Bill very unpopular in Ireland. The
question t' be determined was whether tho• charge was, in the
first instance, to be male on the occupiers. He bad no objec-
tion to property being taxed, if the poor were to be supported
by a legal provision ; but by this clause the poverty and not
the property of the country were to be taxed. What he meant
to propose w.,s, th a in every cash where r:int was paid for
land, the tax should be laid on the rent. He should move
that the clause be postponed.
After a short conversation, in which several Members took
part,

Mr.WOULFE objected to the postponement of the clause.
Mr. LYNCH opp.,sed the postponement of the clause.
Sir C. STYLE said that the burden ought to fall altoge-
ther on the landlord, and not on the occupier.
After a few words from Mr. P. Scrope, Mr. D. Roche, Sir
R. Ferguson, Mr. Barron, and Mr. V. Stuart,
Lord MOR PETH said her Majesty's Government could
not consent to postpone the clause.
Mr. O'CJNNELL should persist in his amendment.
The Committee then divided, when the numbers were—
For the amendment
Against it

Majority against the amendment —4B
The clause was then agreed to; also the 68th.
On the 69th clause, which provides for the proportion of
the rate which is to be deducted from the rent,
Mr. JEPHSON observed that this clause w oull be found
to operate in a manner contrary to the intention of the framers
of the measure. Take, for instance, the case of a man who
paid 1,000/. a year, including 2001. a year for tithe. In that
case the rateable value was 8001., which, at Is. in the pound,
would give a rate of 401. Now, supposing that to be the
full value of the land, it ought to bo divided thus :—the land-
lord to pay 201., and the tenant to pay 201. more. But the
landlord would have to pay for the whole 1,0001., ti:e tithe of
2001. being included in it, which would make his share of the
rate amount to 25/., and reduce that of the tenant to 151.
Mr. WM:AXE observed that the case put by the Hon.
Member for Mallow was an extreme one, it not happening in
ninety-nine cases out of every hundred that so large an
amount of tithe :is 200/. on a rental of 8001. was paid ; and in
proportion as the tithe was diminished the rate would be
equalised between the landlord and tenant.
After a few words from Captain JONES and Lord MORPETII,
it was understood that the point was to stand over for further
consideration.
Mr. W. O'BRIEN then moved an amendment to reduce
the amount payable by the occupiers on account of the Poor-
rate from one-half to one third.
After some discussion the Committee divided—
For the amendment 3l
Against it 46
Majority
Clause 69, as amended, was then agreed to.
The House then resumed, the Chairman reported progress,
and obtained leave to sit again on Monday next.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at a quarter past twelve o'clock till Monday
next.

PRIVATE BUSINESS OF PARLIA-
MENT.-(YE STERDA Y.)

COMMITTEE ON BILL (SURREY LIST.)
LONDON AND CROYDON RAILWAY (No. 1.)

Captain ALsAnuit it► the Chair,

Mr. PoLLocx stated that the Committee would be glad to
know that many points of difference between the parties to the
1311 af.d its opponents were arranged. The Rail:oad Com-
pany had agreed to give up the right of interferin',, with cer-
tain property on the south side of the Greenwich Railway;
but there were other points still rumsining in dispute.
Mr. Serjeant ANDRSWS, in opposition, addressor' the Corn-
inittee at considerable length,—contending that the present
application to Parliament was altogether unnecessary, and
moreover inconvenient in the greatest degree to the public,
whose comfort or accommodatim, never seemed to be thought
of when the project of a railroad had once got into the heads
of its advocates and shareholders. Moreover, to carry into
effect the objects of this Bill would be to inflict disease upon
the inhabitants of that part of Southwark sought to bo stopped
up and altered ; inasmuch as it was the intention of the Com-
pany to carry arched ways over some streets, which would
render a free circulation of air impossible. In a circular, ad-
dressed by the Company to the subscribers and the public, the
Directors distinctly declared that they had already sufficient
property for all the purposes of the railroad,—and now they
not only sought to take more property, stopping up highways,
&c., but also to interfere with the authority of the Commis-
sioners of Sewers.
The CHAIRMAN remarked that the Commissioners of Sewers
were a body of men who were quite able and ready to take care
of their own interests.

Mr. Higgs, Solicitor, appeared to oppose the Bill on behalf
of Mr. Scott. He said that his client possessed considerable
property, which would be greatly injured by the proposed al-
terations to be effected by the railway, by the enlargement of
the station. Mr. Hicks then called Mr. Newman, Surveyor
of a considerable property in the Borough, who said that the
proposed alterations would greatly depreciate that and other
property, especially certain houses which witness pointed out
on the ground plan, which had been put in ; there is no ne-
cessity for the proposed station at present, and witness be-
lieves there will not be any necessity for it for several years
to come ; certainly not before the completion of the South
Eastern, or Dover, and the Brighton lines are finished,
which various things may occur to prevent. Nuisances enough
have been created already by the works of the railway: this
is especially the case in Dean-street, where scenes of disgust-
ing nuisance take place, under the arches of the railway, to
the great annoyance of respectable families residing in that
street.

Mr. Sergeant ANDRF,WS again addressed the Committee
against the Bill, but, after he had gone into considerable de-
tail, the Chairmain interrupted him. saving that the point was
whether or not the preamble of the Bill was proved.
The room was then cleared, after which the Chairman an-
nounced that the tremble was proved.
A lenrythened discussion then arose between the Committee
and the Counsel and Agents as to the propriety of adjourning
over to next Friday, to allow parties opposing the Bill time to
prepare any clauses they might wish to introduce by way of
amendment. Ultimately it was decided that the Committee
should meet again on Thursday next at twelve o'clock.
Adjourned accordingly.
COMMITTEE ON BILLS (CORNWALL LIST).

Mr. PENDARVES in'thc Chair.
Haleworthy Roads Bill. —This Committee was not pro-
ceeded in to-day. but adjourned till Monday at one o'elock.
COMMITTEE ON BILLS (MIDDLESEX LIST).