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London, England, 1854-04-05 00:00:00

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SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clock.

CHELTENHAM RACES.

(THIS DAY.)

(BY ELECTRIC TELEGR.4Pff.)
ANNUAL STEEPLECHASE.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—(THIS DAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at 12 o'clock.
NEW MEMBER.
Lord ADOLPHUS VANE took the oaths and his seat for
North Durham, in the room of his brother, LordSeaham,
called to the Upper House.
MIDDLESEX INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL BILL.
On the order of the day fur the second reading of this
bill,
Lord R. GROSVENOR moved the second reading of
the bill, and stated that it had received the cordial sup-
Port of the noble lord at the head of the Home Depart-
ment.

Lord D. STUART opposed the bill on the ground that
ratepayers of Middlesex could have no control over the
"tool. The real object of the bill was to increase the
Power of the Middlesex magistrates and the Bishop of
London, and since the ratepayers had no voice whatever
in the election of these functionaries, it was unfair to
call upon them to contribute the funds required for the
bill. The subject of Reformatory Schools was a most
Important one, not only to Middlesex, but to the whole
couutry, and it ought to be dealt with in a general and
not a local bill. He therefore moved that the bill be
read a second time this day six months.
Mr. LUCAS seconded the amendment, on the special
ground that the bill made no sufficient provision for the
religious instruction of Roman Catholic children. The
42d clause was framed as if all the children who were
to enter this school would belong to the Protestant re
ligion ; but he contended, and he believed, the noble
lord at the bead of the Home-office agreed with him,
that prisoner's of all descriptions should be called
upon to declare his religion on entering the prison ;
and, as a matter of right, he should be entitled to the
instruction of a chaplain of his own faith. Now, the
same rule should apply to these reformatory schools,
Which were intended for the reformation of juvenile
criminals.
Mr. BUTT thought the remarks of the hon. gentle-
man the member for Meath applied rather to the details
°than the principle of the bill. Now, the principle
of the bill was sound and good, and he hoped the house
Would sanction the second reading, and send the details
to be arranged by a select committee.
Mr. DIUBY SEYMOUR concurred in the view taken
,of this bill by the noble lord the member for Marylebone,
"°,,n Pointed out that, by the 44th clause, the expense
°l' each child entering this school should be borne by
the parish which was the child's last known settlement.
Now there was a measure before the house for abolish-
.tag the law of settlement altogether, and, therefore, if
that bill passed, the entire expense of the school would
alLopon the ratepayers of Middlesex.
A Mr. ADDERLE'Y. objected to entering upon petty
aeils when a great principle was at stake, which
471,58 the case of this bill. It simply enunciated
eprinciple that it was wrong to deal with ju-
, ile offenders in the same manner as adult critui-
's, and no honourable member could object to that
ho had the interest of the country at heart. A simi-
dlar had been passed for Edinburgh, and it was
eal late now to complain that the principle ought to be
$t with in a general and not a merely local measure.
sYtopethised with the principle of local self-govern-
Ilent, but he contended that this bill in no way
'Tifringed upon that principle, though it certainly did
lirlterfere with- the principle- of representation.' It was to
regretted that a general measure as the subject of
orformatory schools had not been brought in by the
ernment as they promised to do ; but the mere fact
a the absence of such a general measure was no suffi-
eLent reason for rejecting this bill.
Mr. HUME was decidedly favourable to the principle
!of, reformatory schools ; but he objected to its being
!alt with in a private bill like this, which was being
°,lBeussed in absence of all the Ministers. The principle
Vleuld be disposed of in a general measure applicable to
the whole country, and after the demonstrations and
Piromises which hady: been made on this subject, it was
htee bounden duty of the Government to apply a general
aedy to the universal evil of juvenile criminality. He
aW' no objection to the second reading of this bill as
,mining the principle it contained, but he was most
''''tainly opposed to its machinery and details.
'lr. J. O'CONNELL suggested that the standing
?rders committee should in future have power to report
to the home that measures involving a great and gene-
ral Principle like this should be treated as a publio bill,
d
isrl
t Placed amongst the orders of the day. He also
oukthe same objection to the 42d clause as the hon.
member for Meath.
Mr. MIALL nnounced his intention to support the
amendment, and on this ground. This bill would affect,
at least, a third of the whole juvenile criminals of the
%entry, and he insisted that, on this account, it in-
volved a principle of too much importance to be dis-
-150 Red of in a private bill after an hour's discussion. He
41(I not oppose the principle involved in the establiQh-
ient of reformatory schools, but he required some addi-
onal information before it was adopted. It was pro-
IPosed to found reformatory schools for the education of
O,nng criminals, and it might prove a source of tempta-
'en for poor men to send their children on the streets.
thMr' ROEBUCK was at a loss to understand what
e objection was to this bill. It was said that
Principle involved in the bill could not be
11i8—eientlY discussed now. Why, according to
discussexerience, many private bills gave rise to more
bon than public measures ; but an objection had
117,erin raised to the 42d clan e, and this recalled to his
br! (1 the fact that the subject of education was never
q:eught before the house without its involving some
were
of religion. Why, if the Roman Catholics
Ne e entitled to a separate chaplain for their own
ee,). should not the Mormonites claim the same con-
aa'tsl°n ? The fact was, whenever a good bill of this
etr.are was brought forward there invariably arose a
eatui?:gle for power amongst the Protestants, the Roman
tee Vie% and the Dissenters, but such cavilling should
an, eter the house from passing this bid. The principle
Len' Neet were good, and since both well deserved the
f,,z, the
of sociey, there was no necessity to wait
e attendance ofta min ter before the second reading
,10pt,
•
the BENTLEY had also heard.no sound objection to
euiiir''ng of the bill. Re. principle , was just,' and it
Pectin net he too speedily adopted. Instead of its af-
t%it a third of the whole juvenile crime of the coun-
seeei w°lll,l not deal kith more than a tenth, and
kir Y that was not too much to be disposed of in a
doubt
ill+• With reference to the general question, no
entire Was debit able to have a measure applying to the
4; ntintry, ut tere were difficulties in the way of
Lere,tig such a bgenehral measure which did not apply
Inet,t.and he called upon the house to reject the amend-
heel, G. GREY said the only objection which had
him t., urged against this bill that had any force with
but j'has, that it was a private and not a public bill,
oppose was not a suffieient reason to induce him to
111 the the second reading. There were provisions
,▪ i,poBloedbill which- were far too important to be
ee , of by an ordinary select committee, and
• suge,t that a select committee should he
especially for the purpose of arranging its
the ,01, ex' that it be re6ommitte 1 in a committee of
sel,c,."'he house after it had passed through the ordinary
Mr eGintnittec upstairs.
of 4 LIDDELL argued that as there was no prospect
sub' general public measure being introduced on the
tf Reformatory Schools, the house ought to
• mild),?, difficulty in passing this bill for the county
ul x.
teAfter a few more words from Sir W. CLAY, who also
thePbOrted the bill, the amendment was withdrawn and
ill was
read a second time.
A la PETITIONS.
the rge number of petitions were presented against
M Yeninz of oublic-houses on Sundays.
asainsO'BßlEN presented a petition from Cashell
;1: st the
:enters app,,intment of the Convents Committee.
THORNLEY presented a petition from the
of of Wlerhampto in favour of he op
the Universitieosv to personsn of all denominations. ening
it, Sir
WALMSLEY presented a similar petition
°1 Boston.
b ▪ HUME presented a similar petition from
Crford.
001 .
„.. .
tc, onel BLAIR presented a petition against the
the
(Scotland) Bill, from a place in Scotland.
the °,,r(l DUDLEY STUART presented a petition from
for
alarylebone Vestry in favour of a general measure
i‘trbe establishment of reformatory schools.
▪ EWART presented petitions from Birmingham,
Lit'lehester, and other places, in favour of the Public
mraries and Museums Bill.
HO
le Z RSFALL presented a similar petition from
uPool,
LIBRARIES AND MUSEUMS BILL.
thl' b
"il tlhe order of the day for the second reading of
,
-
tilad •• --;\.\' ART reviewed the exertions which had been
Brenton. Prance and the United States for the estab!ish-
L free libraries and museums, and reminded the
i:se that, acting upon •
la
lent , this experience, an act of Par-
Inee 0, been pasted for facilitating the establish-
tia,ll 10 similar institutions in this country. No less
towns, including all the large towns in cite
Zten,otry,
,ohoad
availed themselves of the provisions of the
theLt establish free libraries, and he was happy to say
ehfraeoc, ts upon the people' had been most gratifying.
the 1, served to improve their taste for reading, and
not V•
e'rn had naturally arisen as to whether it would
Pree aevesable to extend the provisions of the act. At
governed'he act only arnlied to towns municipally
Ir°l, vvhile it neither '
set t 0 d extended to Scotland nor ,
dill
Nowns d
the object of this bill was to extend the
Z? eats places governed under the Improved-
or by select vestries, as well as to Ireland
he with the additional provisiontahiL
anthorities ectingtteutnder the act should have
to we? to increase 'the 11laitoreliase books and woorlatspoenf sheucpho pound, and
4.l,,pret):°,lv_ispions of the.. bill, and he hoped, as. they\'er were
penny
in
t
of generally, there would be no objection to
Tt led themthoncti."s, LEY objected to the rating clause, and
terc. 110. Was
41.7
Itatte a question which well deserved the
on of the Government.
'44.4 reminded tlio right lien, geatleigan tb,st