The Sun.
London, England, 1854-06-21 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JUNE 2g 1854.

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This church rate evil was no new grievance ; it v 7as more
than a century old, and yet no remedy ha .d been
proposed for it. In the absence then of at ly such
legal remedy, and being averse to the continuance of
these church rates disputes and religious animosi ties, he
had no alternative but to support the second rea ding of
this bill.
Lord J. RUSSELL —But we propose to settle the
question next year.
Me. V. SMITH said that might be the presen t inten-
tion of the Government, but at present he saw no Go-
vernment measure before him, and therefore he :repeated
that as he could see nothing but good to the church from
the abolition of church rates, he felt bound to support
the second reading of this bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ,observed
that it was hopeless to think of passing such a measure
as this during the present session, and he d.en ied that
the right hon. gentleman who had just address ed them
had put the case fairly. He said the .question
the house had to decide was this—in the, absence
or impossibility of providing any othei: remedy
for the evil, was it not advisable to. abolish

SHARE MARKETS.

(THIS DAY.)

BRITISH RAILWAYS.

NEWCASTLE RACES.

RAILITATB.

(THIS DAY.)

Closing Prices
this day.

Business done
this day.

(BY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.)

GRAND STAND STAKES
f by Chanticleer
Lord Alfred

Five ran.

NORTHUMBERLAND PLATE.
Grapeshot
Kingston
Hunca Munca

Sixteen ran.

FREE HANDICAP.

church rates altogether ? v Now, he adm itt ed that
considerable wrong was inflicted on the Dissei ►te rs under
the existing system ; he admitted also that th eir case for
relief was irresistible, and the time would sh ortly come
when Government would be bound to affo rd them a

Nelly Hill
Horatio

Eight ran.

measure of relief. The Presenisittts;ei:--thela;
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the great bulk of the parishes, not the largely -populated
parishes, but the rural parishes throughout th .e country.
There were something like 11,000 parish es in the
country; but out of that number there had
only been church-rate contests in 500, and be
insisted that the fact of these contests was not suffi-
cient to justify the total abolition of church rates. No
doubt it was a good reason for passing a bill, which should
in some way relieve the Dissenters from the grievance
which they complained of, and to that extent he was
prepared to go, and no further. Well, then, the abo-
lition of the law being undesirable, while its at aendment
had become almost an absolute necessity, was it prudent
to pass this bill in preference to waiting for a Govern-
ment measure which should go the length not only
of relieving Dissenters, but of removing all the
other objections to which the existing system was
liable ? He, for one, certainly thought no t, and
though the settlement of the question in this lat-
ter way was surrounded with great diiculty,
he would venture to suggest, for the oo:nsidera-
tion of others, that they should in future have in view
a measure which should have the effect of separating
the parishes favourable from the parishes non-f 'av °arable
to the law of church-rates, altogether relieving the latter
from the payment of the impost. (" No, no. ") ' Well,
this was only a suggestion, but whether it were : tdcpted or
not, he could not accept this bill, which, while it sought
to establish a system of equality, would, so far as the
members and clergy of the Church were c encerned,
create a system of legislative inequality. (Heaur..)
Mr. PACKE contended that the Church was sup-
ported by the State, not for the benefit of the, Church-
men alone, but for the benefit collectivel y of the
entire community, more particularly the p oor, and
under these circumstances it would be unjust 1;o Aolish
church rates altogether. Seeing, then, that Go' rarnment
had already promised to bring in a measure t 3 remove
the evils and inequalities of the existing By:stem, he
hoped the present bill would be withdrawn. (Hear,
hear.)
Mr. BASS took a very simple view of this question.
He thought the continuance of Church rates N va,3 alike
unjust to the Dissenters and the Church. Bei! ig of that
opinion he should perhaps have contented him self with
giving a silent vote. Had lie not been requested: by some
of his constituents to present a petition in favo ur of this
bill to speak in its favour, and afterwards to vote. for the
bill. He had complied with two of these requests, and
when the proper time arrived he should be pre pared to
comply with the third. (Cheers.)
Mr. BRIGHT believed the Cabinet were as much
divided on this question as every other F r bich had
come before them this session, and therefore he would
rather take the opinions of the noble lord, the Pre-
sident of the Council, upon it, than that of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, as conveying th e feelings
of Ministers. Well, then, the noble lord, on the intro-
duction of this bill, confessed himself oppos cd to the
equitable settlement, and that being so, he re-
commended the honourable baronet the riat umber for
the Tower Hamlets to go to a division on the second
reading of this bill, rather than withdraw it in favour of
the measure promised by the Chancellor of the E rchequtr.
Church rates might have been just and proper 300 years
ago when the majority of the people belong ed to the
Established Church, but since their establishme re t a large
mad influential body of Dissenters had sprung; up, and
as a matter of justice both to them and the Church it
was only right that church rates should be readjusted
or wholly abolished. (Hear, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL reminded the house that the
supporters of this bill viewed it as a matter of gtrinciple.
They were anxious to see the voluntary principle
triumph over the principles of the Established.. •Church,
but as he could not agree with them in that opinion, it
could be hardly expected that he should go this step
with them in obtaining their object. He could not
go the length of entirely abolishing aurch rates, nor
could he consent to any amendment of the law which
did not at the same time make some provision for
maintaining the fabrics of the churches that; now be-
longed to the State Establishment. The cause of
civil and religious liberty, as well as tb e cause
of education in this country, owed very much
to the Protestant I_)l,oiii,ers, anti
other claims to the consideration of Parliament, he,
amongst others, was anxious to relieve then a from the
grievance which the existing law of church rates im-
posed upon them. He could accomplish that pur-
pose, however, neither by adopting the preamble
nor the repealing clauses of this bill, be cause the
total abolition of church rates would be inconsistent
with the maintenance of a church establishtr ,ent, and a
practical hardship upon those attending that c b.nrch. He
disapproved of most of the other substitutes kror church
rates which had been suggested,' such as pew-
rents, &c., but Ile confessed himself favourably dis-
posed towards the plan shadowed forth. by his
right honourable friend the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, though he. could sanction no measure
which did not recognise the right of calling upon
the land to maintain the parochial church es of this
country. They were not the churches of a. sect, but
national institutions, open to all the people, and they
ought to be inseparablyconnected with the land Thy whom
the church had hitherto been supported. (Checrs.)
Sir W. CLAY declined to accede to the appeal that
had been made to him to withdraw the bill.

HAMPTON RACES.

(THIS DAY.)

(BY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPII.)

STAND PLATE.

Banstead
Cranbourne..

Five ran.

SURREY AND MIDDLESEX STAKES
Cock Pheasant
Allington

Seven ran.

CLAREMONT STAKES.

Titormus
Bessie
Daisy

Four ran.

The house then divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading lB2
Against it
Majority ----27
The bill was accordingly lost.
BANKRUPTCY (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was read a second time and ordered to be
committed. _ _

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The other orders were then disposed of, and the house
adjourned shortly before six o'clock.

STATE OF TRADE.

(Front the Manchester Guardian of this clay.)

HALIFAX, June 17.—The gloom which has for some
time hung over the worsted trade in this district has
been increased this week, by the announcement of a
failure to a considerable amount. The transactions
are very limited in wools, yarns, and pieces ; and prices
somewhat languid.
ROCHDALR, June 19.—We had a very still market to-
day, and rather less business transacted than on the
previous Monday. There is no change in the wool mar-
ket worth mentioning ; the manufacturers show no dis-
position to buy beyond their immediate wants, and prices
are much the same as they have been for some weeks
past.

HUDDERSFIELD, June 20.—A considerable improve-
ment has been experienced in the market to-day. Seve-
ral shipping houses have had their buyers in the cloth
hall, some of whom have purchased good parcels of
manufactured goods, chiefly in low qualities of fancy
woollens. The better descriptions of black cloths have
been little wanted. In the lower qualities of fancy
vestings a trifle more business has been transacted, but
generally this branch of the Huddersfield trade is much
depressed. In the wool warehouses there does not ap-
pear to have been much improvement .

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50 all Blaenarvon Ir. di Coal 8 10
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