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ing than to see a Freetrader at bay. (Laughter.) The
hon. gentleman had fought most gallantly in the painful
circumstances and the perilous position in which he was
placed. The honourable member had read them a lec-
ture not merely on Indian legislation, but really on legis-
lation in general. He had told them that there were
very few subjects which the House of Commons ought to
presume to meddle with ; and without too much con-
fidence in himself there were few subjects on which
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hon. gentleman was not ready to offer them advice.
(Renewed laughter.) He (Mr. Disraeli) must protest
against the analogy which the hon. gentleman ho.d.
drawn
between the law which prohibited the production of to-
bacco and that which regulated the production of salt in
India. According to the learned gentleman they were
perfectly analogous—nay, more, they were identical ; but
the hon. gentleman seemed to forget that in India, at least,
the people were permitted to produce salt ; but the people
f this country were not permitted to produce tobacco ; and
hat, he thought, was a very considerable difference.
Mr. LOWE—There is no monopoly in either case.
Mr. DISRAELI was not aware that he had used the
word " monopoly." The hononrable gentleman had had
experience of other popular assemblies besides the present,
and in those assemblies, he believed, the members were
rather more in the habit of interposing their remarks in
debate than was customary in this country. The hon.
gentleman, following that practice, was always ready with
his suggestions, which were, of course, always interesting,
but sometimes, when one was speaking, they were incon-
venient. (Laughter.) He (Mr. Disraeli) wanted to bring
the attention of the house to the right point before them.
He wanted to prevent them from being diverted from it by
such considerations as the noble lord who had just ad-
dressed them had introduced to their notice. Was it, or
was it not, the fact that the present state of the law and
of the fiscal regulations of India with respect to the pro-
duction of salt was an enormous grievance, tending to the
degradation of the population of that country? If that
was so, had they afair chance of this evil being successfully
dealt with by the Indian authorities? If, as he maintained,
they could not indulge that hope, was it the duty of Far-
liament to interpose? And if it was the duty of Parlia-
ment to interpose, when could they have a happier oppor-
tunity or a more befitting occasion than when they were
deliberating on the best mode of governing India ? That
he believed to be a true description of the question then
before them ; and, if so, it was one of great responsi-
bility, from which he, fur one, had not the courage to
shrink. The evils of the present system of regulating the
manufacture of salt were as great national evils as any
which the imagination of man could well picture. He had
not heard the evils of the system depreciated even by hon.
gentlemen opposite. With the exception of some phrases
by the President of the Board of Control, to which, per-
haps, he hardly annexed the import they certainly bore, he
had not heard any attempt made, nor seen any inclination
in any hon. member, to pretend for a moment that the fiscal
regulations respecting the manufacture of salt was not one
of the greatest evils that could possibly exist. Well, then,
was it the wish of the House of Commons that these evils
should be permanent, and that there should be no attempt
to remedy them ? Had they well considered the conse-
quences of a population in a chronic state of bad health—
(a laugh)—because, although gentlemen might smile, that
was the fair conclusion that must be drawn from authentic
documents in their possession ? (Hoar, hear.) He had
heard some sneers about his right hon. friend standing up
for the interests of his constituents in the motion he had
brought forward. He bad been astonished to hear those
sneers from the Secretary to the Board of Control and
others. He hoped that, on both sides of the house, they
were sufficiently enlightened, when their attention was
drawn to the consideration of a topic by those who were
interested in it, not to be misled by the representations
that were made to them on behalf of a limited body of
human beings. But he denied that they had on this ques-
tion the consideration of what constituency the member
represented who brought a question of this kind under
their notice. He thought he knew his right hon. friend
pretty well, and he felt sure that it was something beyond
the mere interests of the constituency of Droitwich which
had animated him in the able appeal he had that night
made to the house. (Hear.) He should like to ask some
enthusiastic Freetrader who was opposed to him,whe-
ther, when the hon. member for Stockport, or any other
hon. gentleman who represented the interests of Lanca-
shire came forward, and called on them to repeal the
duties which regulated the importation of foreign corn
10 years ago, they would ha: e thought it a conclusive an-
swer to such a gentleman to say, that he was advbcating
the interests of his constituents, and that the only object
he had in view in the course he as taking was to benefit
those whom he immediately and particularly represented
in that house? (Hear, hear.) Indeed, whatever might be
their opinions on this subject—whether they considered it
in a philanthropic or in a purely commercial light, he was
surprised that any one, and especially that a Minister of
the Queen, holding the responsible office of President of
that department which peculiarly presided over the for-
tunes of India, should consider it the happiest retort, and
the most felicitous repartee he could make, that such a
motion had been introduced in such a manner as to show
that the right hon. gentleman was thinkirc,,, only of the
interest of his constituents. He argued from such au
answer as this that the case which the right hon. gentleman
the President of the Board of Control rose to support was
not one of the strongest that had ever been placed before
the House of Commons. He should now leave the house
to decide the question on the broad merits of the case, such
as he had endeavoured, very feebly he was aware, to place
before them. (Hear, hear.)
The house then divided, and the numbers were—
For the clause
Against it
Majority against the Government —lO
The clause was then added to the bill.
Mr. BLACKETT then proposed the following clause :
" That the President of the Board of Control, or, in his
absence, some other member of her Majesty's Government,
shall, in every session, make a statement to the House of
Commons on the subject of the Indian finances, on some
day subsequent to the presentation of the annual Indian
accounts."
Lord J. RUSSELL said, the clause was a very unusual
one. The hon. member proposed that the President of the
Board of Control should make a speech every year. Why
not specify how long the speech should be ? (Laughter.)
Whether 10 minutes or a quarter of an hour ? (Laughter.)
He really thought it was not a matter for legislation, and
he must therefore object to the clause being brought up.
Mr. HtJME was surprised at the noble lord. (Laughter.)
Many years ago it was the practice of the Indian Minister
to make a financial statement to the house, and he consid-
ered that the Governments had in recent years failed in
doing their duty in that respect. He should have thought
that the noble lord would have said that he had no hesita-
tion in bringing Indian matters annually before the House
of Commons. He hoped the noble lord would reconsider
the subject. If there were any objection on the ground of
such statements occupying the time of the house he would
suggest that no man should be allowed to speak more than
an hour.
Lord J. RUSSELL had no objection to a statement of
the Indian finances being made. He admitted that it was
a very useful practice to require such a statement ; but
what he objected to was the making it the subject of a
clause in an act of Parliament. Why not, upon the same
principle, require the Chancellor of the Exchequer by act
of Parliament to make his yearly statement?
Mr. DISRAELI begged to suggest that if the President
of the Board of Control made an annual statement of the
Indian finances he should be required to state the sums in
pounds sterling, and not in sicca rupees. (A laugh.)
The clause was then put and negatived.
Mr. WIGRAM moved the following clauses :
" No law or regulation made by the Governor-General
in Council under the powers of the statute of 3d and 4th
of William IV., c. 85, s. 43, shall be invalid by reason only
that the same affects any prerogative of the Crown, pro-
vided such law or regulation shall have received the pre-
vious sanction of the Crown, signified under the Royal
sign manual of her Majesty, countersigned by the Presi-
dent of the Board of Commissioners for the Affairs of
India.

" All fines and penalties incurred by the sentence or or-
der of any court of justice within the territories under
the government of the East India Company, and all
forfeitures for crimes of any real or personal estate within
the said territories, and all real and personal estate within
the said territories escheating or lapsing for want of an heir
or successor, and all property within the said territories
devolving as bona vacantia for want of a rightful owner,
shall, as part of the revenues of India, belong to the East
India Company, in trust for her Majesty, for the service
of the Government of India. Provided also, that the Go-
vernor-General in Council, and any other person or per-
SOUR who may be authorised by any act passcd in that be-
half by the Governor-General in Council, shall have power
(in cases where the same may appear suitable and proper)
to make any grant or disposition of any property so accru-
ing by forfeitnre, escheat, or otherwise, to or in favour of
any relative or connexion of the person from whom the
same shall have accrued, or to or in favour of any other
person or persons."
Sir C. WOOD said ho had no objection to the clauses.
The clauses were then added to the bill.
Sir H. MA.DDOCK moved the following clause :
" Whereas the territories of British India are a portion of
the dominions of the British Crown, and the native and
European inhabitants thereof are her Majesty's subjects,
the Government of the said territories as carried on in
India, and the administration of justice therein, shall,
from and after the Passing of this act, be in the name of
her Majesty, her heirs and successors, and all public acts
of the Government of India shall be lone and executed by
theGovernor-General in Council, in the name of her Ma-
jesty, her heirs and successors."
Sir C. WOOD observed that, as the house was aware,
this question had been raised and discussed in the corn-
mittee—(hear, hear)—and, if the clause were agreed to, the
bill would be absolute nonsense. (Hear, hear.)
The clause was then negatived.
Sir C. WOOD said he had give* notice some time ago of
fixing the ualifica-
ionuniow required, and he
and salaries of the directors. Objections had been
his intention to bring up tdwo clauses
tion
made to the large mono;
thought it veil' desirable
the
sidered, also, thatll i'tiwficati°n should be
reduced. He considered,
s should ossess the main most desirable
that all the direc or _ P d e qualification
osed a clause re ucing the qualification
He therefore prop
from 2,0001. 000/ to 1 000/
directors , . , and ensetin
of elected
that, all directors,
whether elected or appointed, should
that qualification,
and should be required to make :
declaration that they were in possession of stock to
such
an amount.
Mr. BLACKETT, the clause was
After a words from

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nnagreed to. C
Sir C. WOOD then proposed a
claise'fixating
sala-
ries of the chairman and deputy-chairmanr.
each of the directors at 1,0001. a- He moved the d
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troduction of tho clause with the space
blank, leaving it to he filled up in comm
The clause having been read,
Mr. HADFIELD objected to it. He was
i opposed
wppaossewdetlol any
increase in the salaries of the directors, as .
un-
derstood that their emolument was really to be found in
the objectionable system of patronage.
Mr. BLACKETT concurred in the objec`ion to the
elause, and would vote against it. He objected to paying
the directors both by salary and patronage.
Mr. HUTCHINS and Mr. WISE complained that no
notice had been given of the amount of salary now pro- ,
posed to be given to the directors.
Mr. MILNES thought hon. gentlemen committed an
error in confounding patronage with salary. Persons dis-
posing of patronage derived no pecuniary advantage from ,
it. The patronage of which the Secretary to the Treasury j
disposed was enormous, but would any one, for that reason,
say he ought to have no salary ?
Mr. SPOONER said the question of the amount of
NE %/Slip paust be considered in committee,
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had been taken by surprise. He moved that the chairman
report progress.
Mx. HUTCHINS also thought it unfair to press this in-
crease of salary without notice.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, that if there was any wish on
the part of the house to have further time, the Govern-
ment were quite ready to consider this clause on the third
reading, and for that purpose he would agree to the
motion for reporting progress. There had been from the
beginning a great deal of debate whether the salary of the
directors had not been placed too low. Many hon. mem-
bers had expressed themselves of the same opinion with
the noble lord (Stanley) that the salary of the directors
was too low. Their observations seemed to have a great
deal of force and truth, and the increase was agreed to
rather in consequence of what was said by hon. members,
who appeared to give good reasons for their opinion, than
from any desire on the part of the Government for the in-
crease in question. The question that he wished the house
to decide was, which was the best way of obtaining the
services of the best men in the government of India. If
the directors were to have the disposal of so many millions
of men and the revenues of India, the house ought not, for
the sake of 5001. a year, to lose the services of men who
could govern India with the greatest wisdom. Many of
the men who came from India, and who might be offered
the situation of director, might say that the salary of
5001, would not enable them to incur the additional ex-
pense of living in London without a loss of income.
They might therefore decline accepting the post of di-
rector, and say that they meant to live in a cheaper
part of the country. The real intention of the clause
was to secure the services of the best men who could
govern India well. He agreed that the patronage at-
tached to the office of director went for something in the
consideration of their recompense. Patronage was a power,
and the being enabled to obliged a man whom a person in
office considered worthy added to the consideration in
which he was held. He did not allnde to the bestowal of
patronage in a sordid sense and from sordid motives,: but a
man liked to be in a position to give a reward to persons
whom he thought deserving, and to choose among his fel-
low-citizens the persons he considered worthy to fill situa-
tions of power and responsibility. (Hear, hear.)
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and the house
resumed.
The bill was ordered to be read a third time to-day
(Friday).
LATE SITTINGS OF THE HOUSE.

The Clerk was proceeding, at half-past 1 o'clock, to read
the remaining orders of the day, 28 in number, when
Mr. BROTHERTON, amid cheering from all sides of the
house, rose and moved that the house do now adjourn. He
protested against going into the consideration of any new
bills at that time of night. (Cheers.) He had abstained,
of late, from interfering to move the adjournment of the
house, because he considered that he might as well attempt
to stop the tide. He had for 20 yea.zs perseveringly endea-
voured to bring the house to observe reasonable hours. (A
laugh, and hear, hear.) The attempt was now beyond his
strength; but he really hoped that, next session, some mea-
sure would be adopted to prevent a repetition of such late
sittings. (Cheers.) If the house, next session, did not
adjourn at midnight, he would recommend those gentle-
men who constituted the fourth estate in that house (look-
ing up at the reporters' gallery), to shut their books and
leave the house. (Cheers.) If they did so, he felt certain
it would cause hon. members to abridge their speeches.
(Hear, hear.) The house had now been sitting 13 hours
and a half. This might be done now and then, but when,
as had frequently happened of late, the house sat 14, 15,
and 16 hours, the labour was beyond what human nature
could endure.
The house cheered, and the clerk went on to the next
order of the day.
ENTRY OF SEAMEN BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
DUTIES ON HORSES LET FOR HIRE BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
HACKNEY CARRIAGE DUTIES BILL.

In committee on this bill.
Mr. LOWE (for Mr. FITZROY), brought up a clause to
enact that, where more than two persons ride in a cab 6d.
shall be charged for each person more than two for the
whole hiring. This provision, he said, had been prepared
before the recent strike.
Sir D. NORREYS asked, if this clause had not been en-
acted in consequence of the late strike, why had not notice
been given of it?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
the intention of the Under-Secretary had been simply that
the Legislature should put itself quite in the right towards
the cab interest, while it showed its determination not to
depart from what it considered just towards the public
Sir J. SHELLY rose to corroborate the statement of
the right hon. gentleman. He had that afternoon • been
present at a deputation of cab proprietors who had waited
on the Under-Secretary of State, and he had heard that
deputation state positively that the resolution just read
from the chair, had been laid before them previous to the
occurrence which had lately taken place, and the reason cf
the delay in bringing it before the house had been a mere
question as to the wording of the clause, which had only
been settled a short time ago. He certainly hoped that her
Majesty's Government would not give way on this occasion.
(Hear.) As one of the metropolitan members, he had been
very anxious to see any just demands which the cab
proprietors might have, met in a proper spirit and settled
if possible ; but, at the same time, he was bound to say
that the circumstances under which they now came
before the house were very materially altered by the
course which they had pursued. (Hear.) He thought the
most dignified course for the house to pursue would be to
look upon these men now as entirely out of court ; when
they had brought their cabs back on the stands, then let
them petition Parliament, and any just grievances which
they had might be redressed in a fair spirit. (Hear, hear,
and cries of •' No !")
Mr. SPOONER quite agreed with the Chancellor of the
Exchequer that this question must be treated as a question
of justice, and without any reference to what had taken
place. (Hear.) He was one of those who believed with the
hon. baronet the member for the University of Oxford that
they ought not to have fixed the fares, without evidence
before them that those fares wore just. (Hear.) His con-
viction was then, and it still continued the same, that it
was not just to require them to go for a sixpenny fare at
all. (Hear, and cries of "No !") He was perfectly certain
that if they had gone into an inquiry, they would have
been convinced that it was impossible for the cabmen to
get a fair profit at that price. (Hear, and cries of "No !")
When hon. members used the argument that the cabmen
would get twice as many fares at the reduced price as they
could have done at the old one, they must remember that,
though it might be a very fair one as regarded machinery,
it was scarcely one which could apply to cabs, where two
horses would be required to go over the increased distances,
and where the wear and tear of the vehicles would be so
much greater. In fact the expenses would be found to in-
crease in the same ratio as the fares they got. He wished
to ask the Government whether they would consent to in-
troduce a clause, which he really thought was just—that
there should be no sixpenny fare at all (cries of " Oh !"
and " Hear") ; but that the fare should be ls. for every-
thing under two miles. When they came to consider that
they required the service of a horse and man for however
little distance they went, he was sure they must allow that
6d was too little.

Mr. GROGAN said that, if he understood the clause
rightly, it was to allow cabs, which were only licensed to
carry two, to break the law by carrying more, and get ad-
ditional fare for it. He had no objection to the cabs car-
rying more than two, but he did not like to see it put in
the light of an infraction of the law.
Mr. LO WE pointed out that to carry two meant that
they were not to be compelled to carry more than two, and
not that they were to be limited to carrying two only.
Mr. FRE WEN thought that they were knocking under
to the great proprietors by amending the act in this man-
ner. It was notorious that it was not the men who owned
one or two cabs who had organised and were carrying on
this strike, but the large cab proprietors—(Hear)—and it
would be far better for the house to adjourn the conside-
ration of this question for a few days, and when the cab
proprietors cause to their senses no doubt the house would
entertain any reasonable proposal for the relief of any real
grievance under which they might be suffering.
Captain MAGAN said, that considering the manner in
which the hon. member for North Warwickshire had been
treated by a cabman last year, it certainly was very disin-
terested of him to advocate their cause with such spirit.
(A laugh.) It was the duty of that house to protect the
public against these men, and, as they held licences for
the bernei t or the public, he would suggest that this would
be a very fitting opportunity to insert some provision in
the bill to prevent persons holding licences ever again re-
sorting to such a combination. (Hear.)
Mr. B. CARTEi . suggested, that as there was a bill now
before the house relating to the Dublin carriages, a provi-
sion in it which gave power to the police authorities, with
the consent of the Recorder, to vary the fares according as
circumstances might require, should be introduced into
this bill, substituting the Under Secretary for the Rec.,rder.
Mr. F. SCULLY wished to know whether the additional
6d. for every person was to be for the whole distance, or
only per mile.
Mr. LOWE—For the whole distance.
Mr. F. SCULLY—In that case there could be no objec-
tion to the clause. He thought the whole question ought
to be considered with great cars, and he himself was pre-
pared with a clause which, he thought, would prevent the
recurrence of the present deplorable state of things.
Mr. O'BRIEN thought the cab proprietors ought to have
followed the example of their fellows in Dublin, who re-
presented their case fairly and calmly to the authorities,
and by that means succeeded in getting provisions intro-
duced into the bill which met their wishes. (Hear.)
Mr. C. HOWARD reminded the Government that this
clause did not apply to that very useful class of carriage,
the Hansom cabs.

that the best way of putting it down was to yield to it.
He suggested that this was an opportunity which might
never happen again, of carrying out a great principle, and
of giving perfect free, trade in cabs as well as everything
else.
Mr. J. MACGREGOR hoped the house would not be
hasty in coming to a conclusion on this subject.
Mr. HUTCHINS had been present at an interview be-
tween a deputation of cab proprietors and the Secretary to
the Treasury, and could state that his hon. friend had done
his utmost to arrive at an equitable conclusion as regarded
all parties. It appeared, however, almost impossible to
satisfy the proprietors. He hoped the house would proceed
to pass these clauses.
Mr.WALPOLE suggested that they really ought not to
divide. He felt the cab proprietors were very much in the
wrong, but he could not conceal from himself that the
house had been a little inadvertent. Let them put them-
selves right by adopting the two clauses proposed by'the
Government, and then all would go well.
Mr. GROGAN did not wish to stand in the way of an
arrangement, but the clause would not carry out the object
in view. He certainly would oppose it in the interest of
the public.
Sir J. SHELLEY, as one who was present at the inter-
view of the cab proprietors with the right hon. gentleman,
thought it right to state they were satisfied with the reso-
lutions so far as they went, but that nothing would com-
pletely satisfy them except a shilling for the first time.
Mr. FRE WEN recommended that the clauses should be
printed and brought up on the report.
The CHAIRMAN put the question that the clause be
read a second time, but
Mr. GROGAN was so anxious to oppose it that he rose
twice to divide before the chairman read it, amid some
cries of " Order," and a voice, " Let it be read first that
you may learn what it means."
The CHAIRMAN—Does the hon. member divide?

Mr. GROGAN—Certainly.
The committee divided—
For the clause
Against it
Majority for the clause —79
On our return to the gallery, the chairman was reading
the words of the next clause, that in every one-horse car-
riage only 6d. for each person above the number of two
should be paid for each hiring.
Mr. MACARTNEY really thought they were pursuing
a very hasty and injudicious course in going on with the
clauses at that hour. Let them adjourn the debate till 12
to-morrow (this day), and meantime the clauses could be
printed for the use of members.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The hon.
member must be aware that other business is fixed for 12
o'clock to-day.
Mr. MACARTNEY—It will only take ten minutes to
settle the matter. (" Oh !oh !")
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The
course proposed is unnecessary, for the house will have an
opportunity of considering the clauses when the report is
brought up. _ _

. 88

Mr. MAGAN did not know whether the house would
arrive at a sound decision or not, but certainly the hon.
member for Antrim was not a 'very good judge of the
point, for he had only just awoke from a very sound
sleep. (Laughter.) The clause would not be very much
for the benefit of the cabmen, for if it had four persons
to carry, instead of putting them into one cab he could
distribute them in four cabs for the same price. (Laughter.)
The clause was then ordered to stand part of the bill.
Mr. LOWE said, ho had another clause to propose, to
the effect that the driver of a cab should be at liberty to
charge is. per mile for every mile or part of a mile, if re-
quired to drive beyond the circumference of a circle the
radius of which should be four miles from Charing-cross,
provided he was discharged beyond such circumference.
Mr. FREWEN thought this clause required considera-
tion. Supposing a person took a cab from Charing-cross
to the Tower Hamlets, it would be beyond the four miles ;
and then, according to: this clause, the person would be
charged a shilling a-mile. This he considered to be ob-
jectionable.
Sir D. NORREYS said, if they adopted the Post-office
as the centre of the circle, as was at first proposed, they
would include a large portion of Bow and the Isle of Dogs
—(laughter)----and the more distant parts of Camberwell ;
but they would exclude the new and populous district of
Bayswater and that neighbourhood. He thought the
change from the General Post•office was most judicious;
but instead of Charing-cross he would suggest St. Clement's
Church as the centre.
Mr. PELLATT thought the distance should be three
miles instead of four.
Sir J. S HELLEY said, the reason that four miles were
fixed on was that that radius would include all the princi-
pal railways, whereas, if three miles were adopted as she
distance, almost every one of the railways would be ex-
cluded.
The clause was then agreed to. . .

Mr. F. SCULLY said, that as the cab proprietors took
out licences, and thereby entered into a contract with the
public to convey passengers in their vehicles, they were
bound to perform that contract, and ought not to be al-
lowed to withdraw their cabs without notice. He sug-
gested a proviso to that effect.
Mr. LOWE objected to the clause being entered upon at
that time.

Mr. F. SCULLY said he would bring up the clause at a
future stage. _ _

The hou—se then resumed, and the bill was reported.
On the order for resuming the adjourned debate on the
resolution for allowing strangers to remain in the house
during divisions,
Mr. AIIINTZ complained that the order for resuming
the debate had been placed in such a position on the paper
that it could scarcely be taken to-night.
Mr. S. HERBERT said there was no objection on the
part of the noble member for the city of London that the
experiment should be tried. (Hear, hear.)
The resolutions, moved by Mr. MUNTZ, were then agreed
to.

The Crime and Outrage (Ireland) Bill, the Customs Bill,
and the Dublin Carriage Bill went through committee.
The Turnpike Acts Continuance (Ireland) Bill was read
a second time.

The Public Works Act Amendment (Ireland) Advances
Bill went through committee.
The Committee on the Naval Coast Volunteers Bill was
fixed for next Monday, at 12 o'clock.
The house then adjourned, at 5 minutes past 3 o'clock.

PORT OP PLYMOUTH REGATTA.

PLYMOUTH, JULY 27.

The annual town regatta, which was postponed from
last week in consequence of the extremely unfavourable
state of the weather, came off yesterday afternoon, but
under scarcely less favourable circumstances. A thick,
hazy %ionosphere prevailed, and the view to the specta-
tors was limited for a very short distance. A goodly
number of persons collected on the Hoe, but by no
means to the extent as is commonly witnessed on such
occasions. The committee were on board a vessel
moored off the Hoe for the purpose of conducting the
general arrangements, in which they were assisted by
Mr. Lomer, the late secretary of the Royal Southern
Yacht Club. The programme of the amusements set
forth numerous and valuable prizes for competition,
amongst which was a handsome piece of plate pre-
sented by Charles John Mare, Esq. ; a piece of plate,
value 201., presented by J. R. Newcombe, Esq., the
lessee of the Theatre Royal; and nine or ten other
prizes.

- The first race for the day was for
A PIECE of PLATE, value 501., presented by Charles
John Mare, Esq., for yachts above 15 tons. The fol-
lowing yachts were entered :

Yachts. Tons.
Blue Bell 3O Captain Roebuck.
Annie l6 Samuel Triscott, Esq.
Fawn 2B H. Finis, Esq.
A time race. The course was through the eastern
channel of the Breakwater, round a mark vessel
moored off the Shagstoile, thence to another mark ves-
sel moored off Penlee Point, leaving both on the star-
board hand, returning through the western channel,
rounding the buoy off the Cobbler, leaving it on the
port hand, and thence round the committee-vessel,
which was also to be left on the port hand. Twice round
the course.

The Fawn did not appear at the start, which took
place at 111. 30m., the two yachts keeping well together
until they got on the outside of the Breakwater, when
the Blue Bell obtained the lead, and kept it for the rest
of the round, which was performed as under :

Blue Bell
Annie

H. M. S.
3 36 50
3 45 45

In consequence of the heavy lop of sea outside the
Breakwater, and the strong south-westerly wind blowing
at the time, the Annie received so much damage that on
completing the first round she sailed into the harbour,
struck her flag, and gave up all further share in the con-
test. As a matter of form, the Blue Bell proceeded
over the course alone, and the second round was thus
concluded :

H. M. S.
. 5 43 45

Blue Bell

Captain Roebuck was then declared to be the winner
of this valuable prize, which was of magnificent work-
manship, from the manufactory of Mr. Cave, of George-
street, Plymouth. It consisted of a richly-Chased vase,
the root and trunk of the oak-tree forming the foot, with
the foliage beautifully encircling the body, the handles
formed of two full-length figures of sailors standing on
its branches, in the act of cheering. The whole sur-
mounted by a cluster of acorns and leaves.
The next was a PIECE of PLATE presented by J. R.
Newcombe, Esq., lessee of the Theatre Royal, for
yachts under 15 tons. The following yachts started at
3h. 33m.:

Mr. LOCKE thought, with the hon. member for North.
Warwickshire, that justice ought to be done in this case in-
dependent of the present state of things. (Hear, hear.)
When the conduct of the Dublin cabmen was contrasted
with that of the London cabmen, it must be remembered
that the latter had never had an inquiry referred to them.
He thought it would be much more consistent to leave the
responsibility of arranging the matter in the hands of the
Government, but he entertained a strong opinion that the
scale of fares laid down in the bill was not remunerative.
(Cries of "No," and " Hear.") He certainly thought that
at least an inquiry into its justice should have been made
before such a reduction was attempted.
Lord D. STUART agreed with those who thought the
house ought to resist anything like a concession to clamour.
lie lamented very much the state of things out of doors,
and chiefly for the sake of the persons who had occasioned
that state of things, for there could be no doubt that the
Is'auTeGrn Z, engaged in the cab trade would be thosewhowould
such a
enoeurrn.eotsht
einhcoandvbeeneinenileel-adfrvoimsedthbeusttraitkteh.e
slanniteatkiimuge
difficulty,help reminding bon. gentlemen
he could not
been brought that the pre-
sent, and the public annoyance experienced, had
g"111)°,1 the house by their own conduct. If
askede
I the select committee
for had been granted; all the
details connected with
matter would have been properly
tiamined, and the mistake
so would not have been made-
which had involved us in
mucholoualifficulty. Another
time, in legislating, the houseremember the good
ldo.'f'th9ught it
old proverb, "The more haste, the less
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (Hear.)
was not desirable now to reopen the subject
fares, and that it was mach better either at once ZioxideecninlYe
on the subject before the house, or agree to postpone it for(
future consideration, rather than proceed with a discussion
upon the general merits of the question. (Hear, hear, and
cries of " Go on.") h
Mr. GROGAN feared the clause would give power to
the drivers to convey and indefinite number of persons, and
moved that the chairman do report progress and ask leave
to sit again.
Mr. LO WE was told that the clause was rightly worded, COMPULSORY VACCINATION.—The bill, as amended, to
but, if it were not, it would be open to the house to recon- extend and make compulsory the practice of vaccination
Bider the wording of the clause upon the report. has been published. There are 13 provisions in the
Mr. V. SCULLY considered that the matter involved
um ' bill, and several schedules of forms. It is proposed
great. o
principle, not only as regarded th ": to enact that the father or mother of every child born in
o
onffie‘crietrhsoaf fttehre b
placeirtli , caatui
ds ei it
vaccinated,to b eta keu
unlesst
cabrnon of London but other classes of the as
11/1 I ty, and England or Wales after the let of August, 1853, shall,
the ider. oti'_,:i.t. not to he allpweci to fii,.,-., abroad that if incli
turned out in this way they were to hive their clamour
listened to at once. (Hear, hear.) It was a principle I
the same shall have been previou 1 s v vaccinated by some
which, if yielded to, must spread far and wide, and there 1 the withinm edtliea.ele
practitioner. Penalties are to be was no telling where it might end. This strike was a sort ;
en-
of petty rebellion, and the Government seemed to think forced for non-compliance with the act,
qualified medical.' -

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Yachts. Tons.
Pixie
Ida lO Messrs. Hocking.
A time race. The course the same as in the last race,
but only once round. The race was very well contested,
but the Pixie proved herself by far the best sea-going
vessel in the heavy sea outside the Breakwater, the race
terminating as under :

it. M. 8.
Pixie
Ida
Although the Pixie had to allow the Ida 2 min. 30
secs. for difference of tonnage, yet she was declared the
winner by time by 14 min. 5 secs. This prize, a hand-
some silver claret-jug, ornamented with richly-chased
vine-leaves and grapes, the manufacture of Mr. Page, of
George-street, Plymouth, was afterwards presented to
Mr. Moore.

There were a great. number of other minor prizes con•
tended for by pleasure-boats, ordinary boats belonging
to ships in her Majesty's service, besides rowing matches
for merchants' gigs, four-oared gigs, two-oared skiffs,
gig and punt matches, and a variety of other amusements
that appeared to give general satisfaction.
The Countess of Mount Edgcumbe patronised the
regatta by cruising in the Cloud yacht during the after-
noon.