The Sun.
London, England, 1865-06-10 00:00:00

Secondly, whether there ought'to bo power given to the
Water Company to raise the price of water—power, if
they see it necessary to use it, of increasing the price of
water 45 per cont." Now, Mr. Roebuck, as he says, con-
sulted the Council. They told him as plainly as men could
speak that they were opposed to the 25 per cent. Mr.
Roebuck told them in conclusion that he only wanted to
know their opinions, and he would be glad to follow them
out. "If," he said, "he knew the wish of the Council, he
thought he knew the wishes of the people of Sheffield, and
the wishes of the people of Sheffield would be his com-
mands." I beg to ask you, were the wishes of the Town
Council and the people of Sheffield M.r.Roebuck's commands ?
(No, no.) Did he do anything to.prevent that unjust im-
post being imposed upon us ? (No.) I say we are indebted
to Mr. Roebuck for that tax being levied upon us. (Cries of
"Shame," " Nonsense," &c.) If Mr. Roebuck had said to
the Water Company, " Gentlemen, I cannot endorse your
bill ; I cannot bring it into the House of Commons until
you make proper arrangements with my constituents. [Mr.
Roebuck—" Somebody else would have brought it If
you agree with them as to the tenor of the bill, I will bring
it into the House of Commons, and assist you in getting it
carried." If, I say, he had done this, the bill would never
have passed in its present shape. But Mr. Roebuck took
the Water Company's side, and left the town to fight for
themselves, never assisting us an atom in the matter.
Mr. ROEBUCK-4 have nothing more to say to you.
(Cheers and laughter, and cries of "Oh, Michael," &c.)
Mr. BEAT.—I ask, why did you make these promises and
then go away and look at the matter afterwards?
Mr. ROEBUCK—I beg your pardon. If I never looked at
the matter afterwards I could not have passed the bill. I
want to know how you get over that.
Mr. ArrcHisoN, veterinary surgeon, came forward, amid
much hooting and clamour, and called upon the meeting
not to be hoodwinked by equivocation. He said if equivo-
cation were truth and sophistry were logical arguments we
had had plenty of them. (Hooting.) I tell Mr. Roebuck
I am ready to meet him on the question of acknowledging
the South. I ask him, as a statesman, what good it could
have done to the South, or what benefit it could have
brought to this country ? I tell him, before he answers
me—(The speaker was stopped by a burst of laughter and
jeers.) He also asked whether the mere acknowledgment
of the South would have been any benefit to them or to us ?
Mr. ROEBUCK—Ho has accused me of equivocation,
that is a very hard word, but neverthleess I will pass it by.
The reason I advocated the acknowledgment of the South
was this—l believed that if England and Fiance unitedly
had acknowledged the South, the North would have ceased
to attack the South. I was quite certain of that. As a
statesman I answer, it is a matter which I have long con-
sidered, in which I had no personal interest, but in which
England had groat interest. I will tell you what England's
interest is. (A voice—" Not to acknowledge the slave
power.") We have acknowledged the slave power ever since
the United States were guilty. We have acknowledged it
in every quarter of the globe. (" The more the shame.")
It is all very well to say the more the shame, but we have
done it. My reason for desiring the acknowledgment of the
South was this—l wanted the great republic of America
to be split into two. I honestly and openly confess it ; and
if it had been so it would have been better for us. Now,
another thing; where we have sent £2,000,000 or £3,000,000
of property to America during this war, if peace had come
with a separation of the States we should have sent
£30,000,000 or £40,000,000. Merely looking at the matter
in pounds, shillings, and pence view, I say I was wise.
Looking at it in a humane view, I say that the slave now
is a miserable creature because of his emancipation. They
are starving by thousands, and you are obliged to come to
England and beg support for them. (" Slavery for over!"
and cheers.)
Mr. ArrcHisoN—Mr. Roebuck says ho is a statesman,
and lam one he sets down as an ignoramus. (Cheers and
hooting.)
Mr. ROEBUCK—I did not use that word.

Mr. ArrcuisoN —He says if England and France had
acknowledged the South that would have been the means of
breaking up the Union. From my reading of international
law (" oh, oh !")—and I am as great a defender of the South
as Mr. Roebuck (" oh, oh !" and laughter)—l say from my
reading of international law, a mere acknowledgment would
have been au injury ; it would have done nothing for the
benefit of the South, and would have injured us.
The MAYOR here interfered, and said Mr. Aitchison
should confine himself to asking questions. The present
was not the proper time for him to make a speech.

Mr. ArrciiisoN said the Water Company and the Town
Council, as the representatives of the town, were in open
antagonism on the water question. He accused Mr. Roe-
buck of turning his back on his constituents to back up a
private company, and trying to gull the meeting into be-
lieving that he did that which he conscientiously believed
was right. (General cries of "question," mingled with
which were a few faint cries of "Go on.") He wished to
know what Mr. Roebuck's motives in the matter were.

Mr. ROEBUCK—What were my motives ?—that I have
stated to you already. I wanted a tribunal to be established
for the settlement of all claims. If such a tribunal had not
been established litigation would be continued longer than
the life of any man in Sheffield. With the tribunal the
whole matter is already settled. Again, I wanted the town
to be well supplied with water. I believe now, and I tell
Mfr. Aitchison fearlessly, I believe the town will be better
supplied with water by a-company than by the Town Coun-
cil. (A Voice—" Twenty-five per cent.")
Mr. AITCHISON—I ask whether Mr. Roebuck ought to
be the best judge of the people's interests, or the people
themselves?

Mr. ROEBUCK—I was not the judge; the House of Com-
mons was thejudge ; Parliament was the judge. The coun-
cil was heard fully before the committee of the House of
Commons, and the committee declared unanimously in
favour of the Water Company. So did the committee of the
House of Lords, and so did Parliament. I did nothing. I
could do nothing.

Mr. Arremsox—l ask Mr. Roebuck whether it is not
high time that the constituency should be represented by
something better than a nonentity. (Laughter and hooting.)
Mr. ROEBUCK—I believe lam pretty much of an entity as
the honourable gentleman evidently thinks himself at the
present moment. (Laughter.) The question will be put to
you directly, and you will decide. I am not afraid of the re-
sult. I have represented Sheffield to the best of my ability.
It has been to mo a barien honour. If I lose your confidence
I lose everything that to me, as a Parliamentary man, is of
any concern whatever. (Cheers.)
Mr. AITCHISON intimated that he had no more questions
to ask, and withdrew from the front of the platform amid
general hooting.
Mr. W. C. LExa—Men of Sheffield, Mr. Roebuck has
told you he is not afraid of any man. Neither am I.
("You're a non-elector.") (Laughter.) I have one question
to ask about extermination. Mr. Roebuck put it to you that
he had merely laid it down as a principle that there was an
inevitable law by which the brown man must always dis-
appear before the white. So far, so good. Mr. Roebuck did
not tell you what further he said. As I read it in the Lon-
don newspapers, he found fault with the policy of the Go-
vernment for not having actually and deliberately hastened
and facilitated extermination. (No, no.)
Mr. ROEBUCK—What is your question ?
Mr. W. C. LENG—I ask whether those remarks were not
made, and whether they did not call forth a most fiery and
indignant reply from the late Mr. Cobden, who asked Mr.
Roebuck if he would have poisoned them with strychnia ?
Mr. ROEBUCK—What I did say was this. There is an in-
evitable law by which the brown man will disappear ; but
you, the Government, ought to bo kind to the brown man.
I said this in so many words. I said, do no injustice to
them. One great injustice you must do—you must take the
land. (Shame.) Shame, say you; you cannot help it. That
is colonisation. You talk about the great colonies of Europe;
the moment the white man goes he takes the land and cul-
tivates it, and introduces into the country the laws and
customs of civilised life. The brown man disappears. In
his disappearance and decline, I said, in all things be just
and kind to the brown man, though you cannot prevent his
extermination. (C he ers.)
Mr. M. BEAL then came to the front of the opposition
side, and said he wished to submit a resolution. (" No,
no," and " Hear Mr. Dunn.")
Mr. Dr:ism—Will Mr. Beal see my resolution ? (Hear,
hear.)
Mr. BEAL—I gave notice of my intention to move a re-
solution, and you did not, and I shall persist.
The Mayor introduced Mr. Dunn to the meeting, who
received him with great applause. Mr. Beal refused to give
way, and great disorder ensued, Mr. Dunn and Mr. Beal
standing at their respective places each waiting for the
noise to subside. At last,
The Maxon said—Gentlemen, it appears that there has
been a mistake. Mr. Dunn has a resolution to propose, and
Mr. Beal says that he has one which ought to have priority,
and in order to accommodate Mr. Beal he shall move his
first. (Applause.)
Mr. BEAL anticipated the supporters of Mr. Roebuck by
moving the following resolution :
" That in the opinion of this meeting John Arthur Roe-
buck, Esq., M.P., has not faithfully represented this con-
stituency—(hooting and cheers)—and that steps be imme-
diately taken to secure a candidate whose principles shall
be more satisfactory." (Renewed cheers and hisses.)
The motion was seconded by the Rev. J. GUTTIUDGE
(Wesleyan Free Church), who complained of Mr. Roebuck's
views on the American question.
Mr. T. DUNN moved as an amendment a resolution of
confidence in Mr. Roebuck, and that he be re-elected.

Alderman FISHER seconded the amendment, which was
carried by at least ten to one.

Mr. HADFIELD afterwards briefly addressed the meeting
on local topics, and a resolution of confidence in him was
carried unanimously.
Tho proceedings closed with a vote of thanks to the
Mayor.

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