The Sun.
London, England, 1801-11-18 00:00:00

THE LATE.MINISTERS.

Sir F. BURDETT said, that in consequenOe of
an intimation from the other side of tie House, he
Should postpone his- Motion ' relative to the late
_Ministers until 'Thursday.

INTERFERENCE OF PEERS IN ELECTIONS.
Mr. BR AGGE haying moved the Order of the
Day, the House resolved itself into a Cominittee,
to take into consideration the Report of the Select
Coirunittee, relative to the interference of Peers in
EleEtions. .

Mr. BRAG GE said, as-the Report was printed, it
Would be unnecessary for him to enter much at
. length into the subjea. By the At of Union,.
Peers of Ireland :were placed in a peculiar situation;
they might be elected Members of the Honse of
Commons for any County, City or Borough in
Great Britain ; and whilst they continued to sit in
that House, their privileges as Peers were suspended.
A Resolution, therefore, founded upon the Report
Of the Select Committee, became. necessary, as a
modification of the Resolution which had been
usually passed by the House to prevent the inter-
ference of Peers in Elections, but which would--,now
clash with the At of Union, so far as it related to
those Peers of Ireland who became Members of the
House of COMMOD, He concluded by moving the
following Resolution :
" Resolved, That it is -the opinion of this Corn.
mittee, that it is a high infrink,-einent of the Liber-
ties and Privilegis of the Commons of the United.
Kingdom, for any Lord of Parliament,,or any Peer
or Prelate of Ireland, except such as shall fbr -the
time being be aEtually elected; and shall not
have declined to serve, for, any County, City,
or 'Borough of Great Britain, to concern them-
selves in the Election - of Members 'to Serve for
the Commons in Parliament, except only at such
EleEtions where such. Peer shall appear as a Candi-
date, or.by-himself or any-others be,proposed to lie
elected; or 'for- any Lord Lieutenant or GOvernor
of any_County to. avail himself of any authotity
derived from his Commission, to influence the Elec_
tiou of any Member to serve for the CoMmons in
Parliament."
Mr. DAWSON observed, that- it had been said
by the Hon. Gentleman, that Peers of Ireland might
be elated Members of the House of Commons for
any-County, City, or Borough in Great Britain ;
they, could not, however, be elected for any place
in Ireland. Had it ever been known that the right
of being, eleaed, and of voting, were notsco-exten-
sive ? But supposing' the present Resolution to
pass, a Peer of Irelaud,might vote at. the' Elation
Of anyone of the 28 Peers, Representatives of the
Peerage of Ireland, and might then become a Mem-
ber of the House of Commons,' and a Commoner.
He would thus, the exception in the -Resolution be-
ing general, acquire the right of interfering in all
the Leaions of Ireland, though he could not be
ple(le,,l a Representative for any County, City, or
ongh in that kingdoin.
BRAGGE said, he was fully aware Of the
: i f the lion. Member, but it should be re-
. -..Lted, that this case was a perfe& anomaly. Cer-
. 'NT an Irish 'Peer becoming a Member of the
,use of Commons, might vote at any Election in
I <1 ;rid, as well as in England, if any opportunity
p:cnrred for so-doing. But this. Resolution arose
as a necessary consequence of the,Aa of -Union,
for by that. 'Aa a 'Peer; of 'lreland becoming a
Member of the House of Commons,- lost his
Privileges as a ,Peer; whilst he .sat in that
I-louse he was liable to be tried as ti Commoner,
. -and in short, 'Dame in every respect a Commoner :
'it was therefore. absolutely necessary to except
.those Peeri, so becoinig for a time Commoners,
•out of the general Resoltition. With respea to the
observation of the Hon. Gentleman 'relative to the
Right of sitting and of voting being co-relative,
it was well known that large bodies of People in
Ireland, posessed the right of voting without that
.of being eleaed.
Sir J. PARNELL thought the Committee
-would go too far in giving those a right to vote
who did not possess it before, lind that the Resolu-
-tion, if agreed to, ni:ght be found to clash with
• the Law of :he Land. It would be better, he cou-
'ceived, to pass a Law Upon the subjea, than make
any Resolution,of that House,.
Mr.• COI?RY observed, in reply to. Olp Objetlioo
of the Hon. Baronet (Sir J. PA! '.r:.}, -that
Votes of Peers, when tendered at Elealons, had
uniformly been rejected, in consequence of a Itc,

solution of that House, and not in pursuance of Any
Common or Statute Law. The House might settle
the question in any ivoy whatever by their Res,olu-
don, there being no law to the coutrary. The
Cominittee above Stairs had taken considerable gains
in The business, and this Resolution was, after very
mature deliberation, the result of their labours. •

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
the Hon. Baronet had conceived that this Resolution
went to confer a right which the Law did not allow,
but the law did not take away the right of any
Peer to yote.at Eleaions. -The Resolution of that
House was no law, and that species .of disqualifi-
cation was not admitted by the Peers themselves ;
it would thecefore, be unwise and impolitic to make
it the subject of a Bill, which might create an
unpleasant dispute between -both Houses. That
House had, therefore, always cautiously and wisely
avoided any attempt to make it the subjea of any
Legislative enaftment. He thought there could be
no doubt of the necessity of the present Resolution,
-which was merely a modification of a Resolution
constantly passed by that House, arising out of
the MI-of Union.

Mr. BRAGGE said, he wished particularly to
impress upon the attention of the Committee, the
necessity of the present Resolution. The neces..-
sity of passing a Resolution -to prevent the inter-
ferpce of Peers in Eleitions, could not,, of course,
be disputed : if then, nothing was said in that Reso-
lution about Peers of Ireland, they would be pre-
cluded from interfering in Eleftions, although
by the Aft of Union, they were allowed ro
be eleaed Members of that House. surely,
therefore the Committee would not objea to some
modification of the usual Resolution of that House,
a modification which the Aa of Union had rendered
absolutely necessary.
Mr. DAWSON explained,-

A Member, whom we understood ,to be Sir
Tuomis FRANZLAND, observed, that the Aet of
Union presented difisculties in this case, which cer-
tainly ought not to be increased, but as much as
possible diminished, He thought the latter objet
would be answered by the present resolution.
Mr, SIMEON said, the present measure flowed
out of the Ad of Union, and he did not see hos:v.the
resolution could be otherwise,. consistently with
that Mt.

The SPEAKER said, an objeaion had been made
to Peers of Ireland being allowed to vote at Elec-
tions in Ireland. It appeared to him, however,
that the right of interference in Eleftions, conferred
upon certain. Peers of Irelan& by the exception in
the Resolution, must be general. If a Peer of Ire-
land became a Member of the Commons House of
Parliament,' he became so for the United King-
dom;. and he did not see how any distinflion of pri-
vilege could be, introduced. The pppriety, of
precluding Peers from voting at Eleftions had, he
said, been much questioned by great political
writers; and as votes of supply originated in the
Commons House sOf Parliament, .it might, perhaps,
be proper to allow Peers to vote at _EleCtions for
Members of that House.

Mr. BR AGGE thought some further delay would
be advisable, in order that the subjea might be
more amply discussed in a fuller How.
After a few words from Sir,font PXRNELL and
Mr. DAWSON, the Resolution was agreed to.
The House being resumed, the Report was circter-
ed to be received immediately.

Mr. SMITH broukht tip the Report; which vas
ordered to be taken into further consideration this
day se'nnight (next Tuesday).
Mr. N. VANSITT ART presented an Account of
the Bounties upon Fish, which was ordered to lie
on the Table.

The Committee upon the Starch, and Distillery
Bills was postponed till Thursday.'
Mr. NEWBOLT gave notice of his intention to
move to-morrow for leave to bring in a Bill to in.
demnify Churchwardens and Overseers against cer-
tain Penalties incurred by them in the Relief of the
Poor.

Sir W. PULTENEY said, he had given notice
of a Motion of considerable, importance, relative
to the East India-Company : he had been induced
to postpone that Motion, because he had'understood
that an accommodation was likely to take place
between 'the Parties. lie wished now to know
whether such -an arrangement was probable, in
order that he might determine whether he should
be under the necessity of bringing forward his Mo-
tion, and at what time. -
The CHANCELLOR of -the EXCHEQUER
sai4, that a progress had been made in the arrange-
ment, and he had hopes that it would end in an
amicable adjustment. • •-„
Sir W. PULTENEY said,- he could not let the
busirress go off in this manner.) A day
.ought to
be named far • the consideration of this subject, and
he should- therefore fix to-morrow se'nnight.
• Mr. TIE RAMEY said, fie thought the Honourable
Baronet dealt rather harshly by these. •parties,- be-
cause, this mode of (hiving the
.parties, while an
arrangement was in train,,-did not appear to him to
be a vCry amicable procedure.
. •
Sir WILLIAM PULTENEY replied, that the
business must soon be decided one way' or other,
because the sailing of ,the ships would speedily be
settled ; and therefore .he should do his duty and
bring the matter under the consideration of Parlia-
ment. _ . _

1t 7r. said, he loped the Honourable
Baronet would-give notice to the House of the Na-
ture of his Motion:----whether it was to be a general
motion for the appointment of. a Committee to in-
quire into this subjea, or whether it was to be a
IVlotion founded upon the Papers, now before the
House : Wa4 the fatter} lie should certainly op-
pose the Motion. At present, the House had no
notice of what was to come on.

Sir W. PULTEIVEY said, •his objet} was, that
the Papets now before the House should be referred
to a Committee,
.who should have t4e power to.call
ibr such further knformation as they might deem ne-
cessary.
TheCIIANCE4OR of the EX CHEQUER saia,
he umierstood then that, the intention-of the Hon.
Baronet was to troy; for the appointment of ft CM.

mittee to take into consideration the Papers laid be-
fore. the House lasySessipns, with liberty to call for
further information,:if they thought proper.
Sir W.-PriLTENEY did not wish to have his
Motion- limited. -
Thc SPEAKER observed, that the notice of the
Hon. taronet, as it .now stood, was-merely that he
would on Wednesday.. s.ennight bring forward. a
Motion relative to the East India Company.
'Sir W. PULTE,VEY -• said he 'conceived, that a
sufficient notice,: .

Sir G. DiaLAS _said:a few woris; after which
the House, at six o'clotk, adjourned till to-morrow.

From the LONDON
,G,4.4E7TE, Nov. 17,.1801..

BANKRUPTCY ENLARGE&:

Jan. 2. -Robert Redhead, of Mark-lane,:wine and brandy-
-merchant, at ten, at Guildhall.

BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED.

Samuel Went the younger, of Liyerpool, merchant.

BANKRUPTS.

.
John Marshall, of Little Russell-Strecif, Bermondsey, tanneri
to surrender November 21, and December r, i 9, at tep,',at
Guildhall. Attorney, Mr. Lee, Tanfield-court, Temple.
John Tomlinson, of Salford, Lancashire, weft and twist-
dealer, November 24, and December s, 29, at two, at the
Golden-Lion Inn, Manchester. A.ttornie*, Mr. W. Part-
ington, Marsden-square, MancheSter; or Mr. P. Hurd,
FLI rnival!s-lun, London.

James Shuttleworth, of Manchester, cotton—manufaaktrer,
December 2,3, and 29, at Ahree, at the Royal OA Inn,
Manchester. Attornies, Mr. Kearsley, Manchester; or
Mr. Ellis, Oursitor-street, London.
. . . .

Tames Meycock,. Of broad-street, Bfoomsbury, haberdasher,
November 21, and December 1, 29, at twelve,.
,at Quiid-
hall. Attorney, Mr. Weightman, Castle-street, Holborn.
\Yip tudby, of Tetworth, Sussex, shopkeeper, Novem-
ber 24, and December r, at one, and 29, at ten, at Guild-
Attornies, Messrs. Pearce and Dixon, Paternoster
row. -

George. Cawthorn, of the Strand, bookseller, November 24
and December 3, 29; at one, at Guildhall. Attorney, Mr,
T. Lamb, Harper-street, Red-Lion-square.
Henry Nathan, late of Sheerness, slopseller, Novembei z 6
at eleven, December 8, at twelve, and 29, at ten, at build•
hall. Attorney, Mr. Butwell, Little George-street, .111 i•
nories. _ _

Richard Tornkinson, John Tomkinson, and Daniel Friedrick
Solieke, late of Liverpool, merchants, December 7,8, and
29, at eleven, at the Crown Inn, .Northwich, Chester. At-.
tornies, Mr. Manifold, Northwich ; or Mr. Orrell,
-Winsley.:strcet, Oxford-street.
William YeoMan, Theobald's-Road, Middlesex, tallow-
chandler, NoveMber 24, and December 1, 29, at ten,-at
Guildhall. Attornies, Messrs. Pearce and Dixon, Pater,
noster-row.
James Dwyer, late of Bristol, hatter, December 2,.'2, and
29, at twelve, at the Rummer Tavern, Bristol, Attornies,
Messrs. Blandford and Sweet, Inner-Temple, London ; or
Mr. C. Mellin, Bristol. • -• _ "
John Nl'Carty, of Liverpool, merchant, December 7,-8, and
29, at one, at. the Globe Tavern, Liverpool. Attornies,
Messrs. Stainstreet and Eden, Leigh-street, Livetpool ;
or Kr. T. Windle, Bartlett's-Buildings, Holborn.
John Evans,.of Liverpool, hardwareman, December 14, 15,
and 29, at the Globe Tavern, Liverpool. Attornies, Mr.
T. Windle, Bartlett's-Buildings, London; or -Mr. James
Phillips, LiVerpool.
Henry Ross, now or late of Liverpool, merchant, December
is, 22, and 2.9, at one, at the Star and. Garter, Liverpool.
Attorney, Mr. P. Ellames, Liverpool .
• - DIVIDENDS

. _
Dec. q. John Roberts, of Pontefraa, Yorkshlie, dtuggist
at eleven, at the • New Elephant and C astleinn,
fradt.•
12. Christopher Hendy, of Falmouth, =litter, at
eleven, at the Ship and Castle Falmouth.
Dec. [5. William Morgan, of Portsmouth, mercer and
• linen-draper,. at ten, at Guildhall..
Dec. 8. Thomas 'Cockett, of Peckham, baker, at ten, at
Guildhall.
Dec. io. Joseph Thomas Haslewood, late_ of Bridgnorth,
Shropshire, grocer, at eleven;. at the Crown Inn, Bridg.
north,
Dec. 8. George Ansell, of Whitecross-alley, Sluireditch
• wstch and clock spring maker, at-ten,' at Guildhall. '
Dec. zs. William Gearing, of Water-lane, Fleet-'street, inn.
holder, at ten, at Guildhall.
Dec. 8. William Betts, W. P. Betts, and G. Veriar, of
Lainbeth and •Cheam, Surrey, stocking-manufadurers, at
twelve, at Guildhall.
Dec. is. William Stonehewer and William Davies, of Man-
chester, fustian-manufaCturers, at eleven, at the Spread
Eagle Inn. Manchester.
Nov. 2,4. Thomas Manson, of Tokenhouse-yard, merchant,
at ten, at Guildhall.
Dec. 8. William King, of Birmingham, fador, at eleven,,
at the Swan Tavern-, Birmingham. --
Dec. x 5. Robert Wood, of Blackburn, muslin-manufac-
turer, at four, at the Bridgewater-Arms, Manchester. •
Dec. is. Henry Willroott and Samuel Willmott, of Bea-
minster, Dorsetshire, tanners,• at eleven, at the White-
Hart, I3eaminster.

C.'ER T/F/CATE.4
Dec. 8. James Wilson, of Birmingham, builder.
Abraham Hitcher), of Walgerton, CheSter, miller andcheese,
taCior.
William Wallacki- of Oakley-street, Lambeth,-dealer.