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17.AiPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

for Foreign Affairs whether it was the intention of the Go-
vernment to comply with the recommendation of the diplo-
matic committee of last session ?

HOUSE OF LORDS—YESTERDAY.
The LORD CHANCELLOR. took his seat on the woolsack
at 5 o'clock.
THEATRES IN P
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from
Viscount DUNGANN presente a petition
Holloway against the opening of the theatres in Passion
Weak.

Mr. L AYARD said that the report of the committee had
been taken into consideration, but there had b.:( n no report
advising the adoption of the recommendations alluded to.
MAILS BETWEEN GALWAY AND AMERICA.
Mr. H. BERKELEY asked the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer whether his attention had been directed to the last
annual report of the Postmaster-General, whereby it would
appear the loss to the country in the conveyance of mails
between Galway and America under the late contract
amounted to Ge. per letter ; and whether, under such cir-
cumstances, he was prepared to recommend a resumption of
the said contract ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said ho
had seen a report of the Postmaster-General rela-
tive to this matter. It was not intended by the
Government at present to take any steps for
such communications the hon. member mentioned. How-
ever they were fully aware of the necessity of a rapidity of
postal communication ith America, and if they adopted
any plan on the subject it would be stated to the house on
the first opportunity.
WITHDRAWAL OF THE AMERICAN SQUA-
DRON FROM THE COAST OF AFRICA.
Mr. WYLD asked the First Lord of the Treasury, if
any communication had been made to the Government of
the United States upon the withdrawal of the American
squadron from the coast of Africa ; if any attempt had been
made by the British Government to induce the President of
America to prevent the use of the United States flag by
foreign slavers on the West Coast of Africa; and, if any
request had been made to the President of the United States
to permit the British ships of war engaged in the sup-
pression of the slave trade to ascertain (during the absence
of the United States squadron) the nationality of ships
which may hoist the flag of the United -States ?
Lord PALMERSTON said that there had been a cor-
respondence on the subject, and it had been stated on the
part of the United States Government that, in consequence
of the blockade, it had been found necessary to withdraw
the squadron from the coast of Africa. However, the
President of the United States was anxious to co-operate.
with the Government of this country in putting down the
African slave trade. He could not see how that co-opera-
tion could act at present ; but, as a proof of the wish of
the President, he adverted to the fast that an American
citizen was under sentence of death at New York for
having been engaged in the slave trade. (Hear, hear.)
With regard to the third question, no promise could be
given on the subject.

THE EDUCATION CODE.
Lord COLVILLE presented a petition against the re-

wised code.
THE SOUTHERN BLOCKADE.
The Earl of CARNARVON said that papers on this
subject had circulated amongst their lordships which con-
tained much valuable information, but they did not men-
tion whether any communication had taken place between
her Majesty's Government and the Government of foreign
States. He wished to ask whether any such communication

had taken place, and if so, whether there would be any
objection to lay these documents, if they existed, on the

table,

Earl RUSSELL said there had been no formal commu-
mications with foreign Governments, so he had no official
d3cuments to produce. He begged to lay on the table a
despatch he had received from Lord Lyons respecting the
southern harbours.

Earl STANHOPE asked whether the despatch con-
firmed what he had said the other night respecting the
sending a second stone fleet to Charleston harbour.
Earl RUSSELL said it did contain mention of the fitting
out of a second expedition, but all that was intended to be
done had been accomplished, so there would be no further
ships despatched for the purpose.

THE ITALIAN PROCLAMATION.
Earl RUSSELL said he had received an answer to the
telegram he had despatched to Sir J. Hudson with respect
to the proclamation referred to by the noble earl opposite

last evening. The answer he had received was that the
proclamation had been issued by the Lieutenant •Greneral in
command at Leschera without the authority of his superior
officers, and, in the event of its not meeting with their
approval, it wculd be immediately suppressed. He was also
informed that it had become necessary to take some severe
steps to put down brigandage, but no unnecessary measures

would be adopted. -
Earl DERBY said the answer of the noble earl was very
satisfactory. It proved that the document he had referred
to had had an existence (hear, hear), and such being the
fact he was fully justified in bringing it under the notice of
the house.
The subject then dropped.
GARDENS IN TOWNS PROTECTION BILL.

THE EMIGRATION DEPARTMENT.
In reply to Mr. CHILDERS,
Mr. C. FORTESCUE said that this subject was under
consideration, but it had not been deemed advisable to
make any alteration at present.
THE REVISED CODE,
Mr. DISRAELI complained that there was ambiguity in
explanation given by Government on this subject last
evening, and he called on the noble lord the First Lord of
the Treasury to give an explicit statement as to the course
that would be pursued by Government in reference to the
resolutions cf his right hon. friend (Mr. Walpole).
Lord PALMERSTON denied that there was any
ambiguity in the answer given by his right hon. friend
last night. He had no difficulty in stating that her
Majesty's Government thought the subject of the revised
code was of so much interest as to entitle it to the consi-
deration of a committee of the Howie of Commons. (Hear,
hear.) He supposed the resolution of the right hon.mem-
ber would refer to the minute of the Privy Council,
and if he would give sufficient notice of his reso-
lutions, every facility would be afforded him of
obtaining a committee of the house. He might adopt
another and a more natural course, and lay his resolutions
on the table, and give notice that he would on a subsequent
day move that the house resolve itself into a committee.
Mr. WALPOLE intimated his willingness to adopt the
latter course suggested,
Lord PALMERSTON said there could be no objection
on the part of Government.
TELEGRAPHIC COMMUNICATION WITH
AMERICA.
In reply to Sir IV. GALLWEY,
Mr. M. GIBSON said such communication would be
desirable, but he was not prepared to enter into the subject
at present.
SECTARIAN APPOINTMENTS, CIVIL SERVICE,
Mr. HENNESSY complained that in the competition
to be conducted by the Civil Service Commissioners for
sub-inspections connected with the National Board in Ire-
land were at present restricted to persons of the Roman
Catholic religion.
Si: R. PEEL explained that it had been found desirable
to give all religious denominations an opportunity of com •
peting for these offices in their turn. This principle had
been found to work well,
After some discussion,
Mr. HENNESSY withdrew an amendment which he
had moved on the subject.
THE OFFICERS OF THE INDIAN ARMY.
Col. SYKES asked the Secretary of State for India whe-
ther the right of officers of the native regiments of the Ma-
dras and Bombay armies to succeed by seniority in their re-
spective regiments to the command of troops or companies,
and to the ultimate command of their respective regiments,
was abolished; and whether officers who had elected for
local service with their regiments could be sent to general
duty, notwithstanding their wish to serve with their own
regiments. The hon. and gallant member complained that
the effect of the recent practice had been felt to be a great
hardship by the officers of those native regiments which had
in reality crushed the head of the mutiny before a single
regiment arrived from England. He held in his hand a list
of cases which filled two entire pages, and from which he
would cite one or two examples. Major Sylvan, of the 4th
Regiment, had been posted to the 31st, to the prejudice of
two captains, one of 25 years' service and the other of 24.
Major Fowler, of the Bth Regiment, had been placed in the
Ist Cavalry, and had thus superseded all the regimental
captains. Major Allen, of the 3d, had been removed to the
12th, and had superseded the regimental major (Halliday)
who had served 24 years. In the Bombay army Major
Jocelyn, of the staff corps, who had nominally belonged to
the Ist Native Regiment, and who was only a captain of
1853, had been removed to the Ist Grenadiers, and had thus
displaced two captains of 1842 and 1844.
Sir G. BOWYER had received letters from India stating
that the greatest possible dissatisfaction prevailed amongst
the officers of the late Company's army. Officers who had
been allowed to avail themselve, of the retiring allowances
had had their names printed in italics; and upon their death
no promotion took place; vhereas it had been distinctly
provided by act of Parliament that officers of the late
Indian army should be placed in exactly the same position
not only as regarded pay and allowances, but as regarded
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death of the officers whose names were printed in italics.
Sir C. WOOD said the hon. baronet was entirelymis-
m. as to the facts of the case. Those officers who retired
under ordinary circumstances, and whose names were
printed in italics, were removed altogether from the list, and
promotions followed in duo course. It was no doubt quite
true that that was not the case with regard to the extraor-
dinary retirements; but the Government considered that
they had granted considerable boon to the army, for
they had allowed promotions to follow a certain proportion
even of the extraordinary retirements—two out of three, or
three out of four, he did not recollect which.
SYK ES—Every other.
Sir C. WOOD —At all events the fact was that no inter-
ference had taken place with the ordinary retirement, and
promotion had been allowed to take place after a certain
proportion of the extraordinary. With regard to the ob-
servations of his hon. and gallant friend (Col. Sykes) he had
first to remark that what had been done had no connection
whatever with the amalgamation of the Indian with the
royal army. It was simply due to the reductions which
had taken place, in conformity with the wish of the hon.
and gallant gentleman and of the whole house, in the.over-
grown native army. That reduction had necessarily thrown
a number of officers out of employment, and the question
which the Government had had to consider was, how they
could best be disposed of ? It had been determined to trans-
fer them to other regiments, and it was obvious that they
could only- be fairly treated by allowing them to take rank
in the new regiments according to their standing in the ser-
vice.

Lord REDESDALE moved the second reading of this

bill, the object of which was to set at rest all questions as
to the title of certain open spaces in the metropolis. As a
necessity for the bill, the noble lord instanced the state of
Leicester-square at the present time, which was a disgrace
to the metropolis. If the bill received the assent of Parlia-
ment these open spaces would be properly attended to, and
they would become that which they in fact ought to be,
ornaments to the metropolis.
Lord ST. LEONARDS objected to certain parts of the
bill.

The LORD CHANCELLOR also pointed out some
difficulties which existed on the subject.
Lord REDESDALE said if the bill was read a second
time he should have no objection to refer it to a select com-
mittee.
The bill was then read a second time.
LAW OF PROPERTY AMENDMENT BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill.
On clause 1, which proposed that a purchaser or mortgagee
should not be bound by implied or constructive notice of a
change or any other act affecting the title to the property
purchased or taken in mortgage, unless a court should be of
opinion that the taking of such purchase or mortgage
amounted to fraud, or to such wilful neglect as amounted to
fraud.

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Lord CRANWORTH objected to the clause on the
ground that it had already been rejected three times by the
House of Commons, and also because he did not approve
of constructive notice in certain cases.
Lord CHELMSFORD also opposed the clause.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took a similar view.
Lord ST. LEONARDS expressed his surprise at the
opposition of his noble friend on the woohack, seeing that
his noble and learned friend had assisted him in the prepa-
ration of the clause. (A laugh.) He (Lord St. Leonards)
had, to meet the views of his noble and learned friend, in-
serteil some words of which he did not altogether approve.
The hardships which the present law of notice inflicted
upon purchasers and mortgagees were numerous, but if this
clause should be assented to a remedy would be provided
for the future. It was a subject upon which no doubt opi.
nions differed, but he was willing to frame the clause in any
way which would obviate the objections of his noble and
learned friends, while, at the same time, that which he had
in view was carried into effect.
The LORD CHANCELLOR concurred in the desirable.
ness of correcting an evil the existence of which was on all
hands admitted. He did not, however, think that the pro-
posed clause furnished the required remedy, and he hoped
his noble and learned friend would reconsider it, with a
view to meet the difficulties which had been suggested,
Lord ST. LEONARDS observed that he would be very
glad to have the clause so shaped as to meet what appeared
to be the common view of their lordships.
The clause was then withdrawn, and the other clauses
passed through committee.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—YESTERDAY.
The SPEAXEB. took the chair at four o'clock.

PETITIONS.

Some petitions were presented in favour of an amend-
ment of the Irish Poor Law, by Lord R. CECIL, from cer-
tain gentlemen in the West Riding of York, alleging that
the Government were in the habit of adopting means
to procure the absence of honourable members from
the house during debates, and praying the house
to take the steps necessary to prevent the continuance of
such a practice, and thereby to assert their own dignity.
EAST INDIA TRANSPORT SERVICE.

On the motion of Mr. ADAM, an address for a copy of
any correspondence which had taken place between the
India-office and the Admiralty relative to the proposed re-
moval from the India-office of the transport of troeps and
stores to India, was ordered.
CONDITION OF THE RIVERS SHANNON AND

SWABE.
Col. FRENCH asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland, if
any steps have been taken by the Irish Government
to
inquire into the facts contained in the memorialpresefraed
to the Lord Lieutenant relative to the condition o
rivers Shannon and Swabe, agreed on at a public meeting
the
of the landowners, landholders, &c., held at Athlone in
November last; and when a reply to such memorial ma)
be expected.
Mr. F. PEEL, in the absence of Sir Robert Peel, said
there would be no objection on the part of Government to
an inquiry into the subject; but at the same time it was
considered that any expensive alterations which might be
made should be defrayed by the landowners in the neigh-
bourhood of those rivers.
Col FRENCH asked if it was intended to return the
£300,000 that had been advanced for works which had not
been executed ?

Mr. F. PEEL said that there was no evidence to show
that such works had not been executed.
THE ALLEGED DISTRESS IN IRELAND.

Mr. GREGORY drew the attention of the right hon.
baronet the Secretary for Ireland, to a letter he had quoted.
In that letter he (Mr. Gregory) said that there was great
distress in Ireland arising from want of fuel.
Sir R. PEEL said that the letter of the hon, member
was dated on the 12th of November, and it stated that the
hon. member believed there was:a sufficient supply of food.
Ile stated, however, that there was a scarcity of fuel, and
he generously threw open his property to the poor in the
neighbourhood, to enable them to get a supply of such fuel.
(Hear, hear.)

Mr. BAILLIE did not think that the explanations of the
right hon. baronet would be considered very satisfactory by
those who felt that they had been hardly dealt with. In
the first place the right hon. gentleman virtually admitted
that the complaint of the gallant colonel was well founded.
He only contended that the Government had no other re-
source, which might be the case, but that would not afford
much consolation to those officers who felt that they had
been deprived of a step. With regard to the subject which
had been mentioned by the hon. baronet (Sir G. Bowyer),
it was obvious that the inducements which the Government
held out to officers to retire would naturally be accepted by
those who were in advanced life, and whose death or retire•
ment would probably have soon followed in the ordinary
course of things. The result had therefore been to deprive
the officers below them of promotions which they might
otherwise have reasonably counted on. (Hear, hear.)
Sir C. WOOD (in explanation) said that they had given
a bonus to officers who were entitled to retire ; but that
when they permitted additional retirement, they then gave
only a proportionate amount of bonus.
amMr.l3iiklLLlE said that was precisely the grievance, that
when officers
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THE REVISED CODE.
Lord H. CEClL—vah
lo wing question—T placed on the paper the fol-
whether orders were not issued,Vice-President of the Couneil
gation of the revised code, that shortly after the promul-
gation
the conditions under Wl:litchi:le portion of it which con-
engaged should be acted upon pupil teachers were to be
for the sanction of Parliament ;
and whether
Without waiting
mination, giving notice to that effect, were er forms of exa-
Faid that the question had two aspects, one
of notwh. printed—
to educational reform; the other might be regardedhrelted
affecting the privileges of the House of Common. When

committee hal erred it must have been not from a want of
desire to do justice but from want of ability, or from the in-
herent difficulty surrounding the subject. The first prin-
ciple they had to consider was that no payment should be
made except to the manager, and secondly, that money
should only be paid upon the individual examination of
scholars. The committee came to the conclusion that the
pupil teachers under the present system had rights which
they were bound to respect, and from the infraction of which
they ought not to suffer. The question, then, was not as to
existing pupil teachers, but as to those who might be appren-
ticed after the promulgation of the minute. As to the latter,
it was deemed that they came under a totally different head
for consideration. Before the minute the pupil teachers had
no reason to suppose that their vested interests would be
changed, and they ought to be respected, but the subsequent
teachers did not appear to have any claim to vested inte-
rests. The noble lord said truly that there had been con-
siderable ferment throughout the country on this subject.
At that time Bari Granville was in Ireland, and he (the
right hon. gentleman) was on the continent ; but on the
17th of September he was in communication with the noble
earl, and the result was that it was thought desirable, con-
sidering the ferment in the country, not to distract attention
from the real subject by raising collateral issues, but by
adopting the conciliatory course of suspending the minute ;
and the committee had acted consistently—as if the minute
had not been issued at all. This was his answer to the noble
lord, and he could only regret that his (Mr. Lowe's) con-
duct, and that of the Government, were viewed in so tan-
favourable a light by him. The whole matter in connexion
with this code was one of enormous difficulty. He would
bow with the greatest submission to any censure which any
hon. gentleman might pass on the intellectual part of the
subject, but he disclaimed for the noble earl and himself the
slightest intention of withdrawing this question from the
jurisdiction of the House of Commons. 'With respect to the
salary of the Inspectors, with regard to which the hon.
member (Mr. S. Booth) had questioned him, it began at
£2OO a year, and at the end of the third year it rose £3O,
and so on until it reached £6OO a year; but that salary
would not be attainable within less than twenty-four years.
Certain expenses for travelling,
&c., were allowed beyond
that salary. He did not think it would be denied that a
distinguished set of men had been enlisted in the service of
the public. The rule had been to take the young gentle-
men of the greatest distinction they could find in the
University ; and if they compared the calendars of Ox-
ford and Cambridge Universitters with the tioverumont list
the real amount of distinction Would be seen. For his
part, he sometimes felt sorry that their allowance were
so small, and certainly he would be no party to diminishing
them. With regard to the minute itself, no examination
under it would take place until the 31st March, 1863, except
in the case of some new schools coming into operation.
The schools now receiving aid would at that period be et-
amined under the new system, and therefore there would
be no increased expenditure during the present financial
year. 'When it became necessary to ask for thp estimates
under the new code, which would not be until the session
of next year, he or his successor would then be prepared to
ay before the house fairly and fully any amount of addi-
:Waal assistance that might be required, (Hear,
hear.)

the revised code was first brought forward by the President
of the Council he was reproached for having issued it as a
code of his own, and without allowing Parliament any op-
portunity of expressing its opinion on the subject, The
right hon. gentleman thereupon said that the code could not
come into operation until a year for examination had
passed away. The right hon. gentleman said—
The SPEAKER (interrupting the noble lord) said it was
not competent to any hon, member to refer to a preceding
debate during the same session.
Lord R. CECIL would bow to the decision, but said that
inasmuch as the house Was now going into committee of
supply, he spoke of a grievance, the remedy for whichcould
be given in a committee of supply. (Oh, oh.) This much he
would say, that if words which had fallen from a minister of
the Crown wore not to be referred to, his responsibility was
quite illusory. how it was possible to call ministers to ac-
count without quoting their words, he was unable to disco-
ver. In obedience to the decision of the Speaker, he should
not quote the words, he would only state that on a certain
occasion which he would not particularise, in a certain place
which be would not name, the right hon. gentleman being
interrogated by a right hon. gentleman to whom he would
not particularly refer, said—
The SPEAKER (interrupting the noble lord)—No. The
noble lord certainly cannot be permitted indirectly to evade
a rule which he cannot break through by a direct process.
The rules of the house are very positive on the point of
quoting or reading words from a newspaper which have
been used in t 5 former debate, unless that debate be conse-
cutive, or on the subject of a bill or a measure then before
the house. That being the distinct rule of the house with
respect to past debates, a reference to a debate in another
place than this house is even less permitted.
Lcrd R. CECIL said he had only to bow to the decision,
and would only remark that it was very favourable to minis-
ters of the Crown. Perhaps he might be permitted to say
thus much, that it was generally supposed that the right
hon. gentleman had grounded his defence against the charge
upon this :—That the nature of the revised code was such
that it was absolutely impossible for it to come into effect
till Parliament had had an opportunity of giving their
opinion upon ite (Hear, hear.) It might, perhaps, be ir-
regular for him (Lord It Cecil) to add that he had brought
a matter connected with this subject already before the
house the other night) and had been told that he
had introduced a very small subject to their notice. The
ground upon which he now arraigned the right hon. gentle-
man was not a small one; it involved the most important
article in the Privy Council code. What he charged the
right hon. gentleman with was this—that at the time when
he issued the revised code, it was his intention at the time,
and he had taken measures at the time to carry it into effect
without submitting to Parliament the enormous change he
was about to effect in the pupil teacher system. He would
first point out what were the pledges of the right hon. gen-
tleman. He believed he was in order in referring to the de-
bates of last session. The right hon. gentleman said at the
close of last session, " I may as well state the outline of the
measure, and the committee must not imagine that I con-
template a coup d'etat, because the nature of it is such that
it cannot make any innovations till the end of the next finan-
cial year." In referring to the pupil teachers, also, the
right hon. gentleman said :—" We intend to preserve intact
the interests of future pupil teachers, and we shall take care
that all future pupil teachers shall serve, as now, for a period
of five years." But when the session was about to end and
Parliamentary control to cease, the revised code appeared
containing this pro ision : that pupil teachers for the future
should be appointed according to the following condition—
that the pupil teachers were to enter into an indenture by
which, according to the revised code, the pupil teacher was
liable to be dismissed for idleness, disobedience, or immoral
conduct; and this agreement was to be terminable on either
side by a written notice of six months. Therefore it was
in the power of the pupil teacher to terminate the engage-
ment by giving a six months' notice. How was -that con-
sistent with the pledge that pupil teachers were for the
future to be retained for five years ? (Hear, hear,) Con-
, sistently with the language of the right hon. gentleman
this change could not have been contemplated at the time.
(Hear.) But the right hon. gentleman went further ; he
told the house in one of his speeches what he conceived to
be the essence of a pupil teacher. He said that a monitor
was one with whom an agreement was entered into for the
job, by the week, month, or year, but that the pupil teacher
was engaged for five years. He therefore made a very seri-
ous change which he could have had no previous intention
of doing. What he (Lord R. Cecil) wished to show was
that this change was a change in the mode of admitting
pupil teachers, and that in that and several other ways the
revised code seriously affected the £250,000 which was an-
nually granted for the support of pupil teachers. The right
hon. gentleman said that the revised code would not come
into effect till the financial year had passed away, and yet
he took measures by which the most important part of that
code should come into immediate effect. He (Lord R.
Cecil) understood that to all schools was sent, along with
the ordinary forms which preceded the arrival of pupil
teachers, a note to this effect :—" Candidates for pupil
teachers must be subject to the minute of Council of the
29th July, 1861, and the provisions of the revised code:'
This note was not printed, but written upon the printed
form. The result was that the managers of all schools were
informed that pupil teachers were to be accepted only under
the revised code. With reference to the education of these
pupil teachers, the revised code was to come into immediate
effect. Perhaps it might be said, that the managers need
not have offered any pupil teachers, and thus have evaded
the operation of the revised code. But the right hon. gen-
tleman took very good care of this. One of the articles of
the minute provided that, after the receipt of money, the 28th
of July, 1861, no manager should receive any money ex-
cept in conformity with the revised code. For every local
manager the financial year began in August, 1861; and in
August, 1862, according to the revised code, unless he had
a sufficient number of pupil teachers, he forfeited pro rata
the amount of the grant. Therefore the managers
were obliged to have their pupil teachers at once, subject
to the conditions of the revised code, and subject to the
revised regulations and mode of making pupil teachers.
This last change was made by the right hon. gentleman by
his own proper fiat. But that was not all ; the revised code
was suspended, but this form was not cancelled, at least
not in all cases, and the direction that pupil teachers must
be admitted under the new code was sent round to the coun-
try; and the managers thought it better not to have pupil
teachers at all rather than subject themselves to the impos-
sible and impracticable conditions of the indenture com-
prised in the new code. He understood that at Trinity
Church, Stoke Newington, candidates were rejected because
the committee refused to rece:ve them under the new code.
This happened just before the suspension in March last. If
the right hon. gentleman had no intention of carrying out
his scheme immediately, there seemed to have been a most
extraordinary misapprehension on his part of what was pass-
ing in his office. (Hear, hear.) He (Lord R. Cecil) was
sorry to have troubled the house at such length, but he
thought the house should be jealous of the passing of im-
portant measures during the recess. There was a gravita-
tion of all important measures towards the recess; treaties
were made; wars were declared, or treaties containing the
germs of future wars were concluded, when Parliament was
not sitting. Hitherto this practice, however, had been con-
fined to the Foreign. office ; he busted the House of Com
mons would declare its veto against permitting the habit
to extend itself to other departments of the_State. (Hear.)
Every measure ought to be strictly subject to Parliamentary
control, especially with regari to the destination of such a
sum as £250,000. He begged to ask the right hon. gentle.
man the questions of which he had given him notice.
Mr, SCLATER-BOOTH asked the Vice-President of
the Council whether the introduction of the new principle
of individual examination would necessitate any increase in
the number or salaries of the present staff of school in-

ASSIZ.

SUPPLY.
The house then went into committee of supply proforma
APPROPRIATION OF VOTES.
Upon the bringing up of the report of the committee o
supply,
Sir S. NORTIICOTE rose to call the attention of the
house to the correspondence between the Admiralty and
;he Treasury, appended to the estimates. He found from
the correspondence that the control of the Treasury was
never very stiong, because in one instance in giving their
assent they said they felt they had no alternative but to
authorise the change proposed by the Admiralty. On the
11th June the Lords of the Admiralty wrote to the Tree-
seurggyr,egsteatteingthat
amount
of theyvhotaed
Idfir;:tt:edtpethuaintga
thesu empopfliLese,toioOno
for an iron caisson, for Sheerness should be charged to the
of other Notes, so that there should not be an excess,
and this was done only five days after the votes had
passed the house. This led to the suspicion that vote 11
could be easily cut down without detriment to the ser-
vice. Every year there was au excess upon that vote,
and sometimes a considerable one. In 1858.59 the excess
amounted to £116,000, in the next year £105,000, and
in the year after £52,000, being an average of £90,000 a
year. In the next case, under letter E, it was admitted
that an oversight had been committed. Well, that was un
satisfactory, but it was added M the correspondence that
measures had been taken to prevent such errors in future.
Inthen
case, whicheztcase, that of the Achilles, the spirit of the Act
ofw pooalrwliaicmh, enht
ewith regard to transfers was carried out. The
following
thoughtrelated deservingto the h Marinee consideration
Infirmaryoft
the
house. The first estimate for that work was £42,000, and
that sum was inserted in the estimates in 1856, and they
went on taking sums until it was discovered that the esti-
mate was not sufficient, and in the estimate for the year
before last the cost was given at £65,300. The total cost,
however, had been £73,294. But by the system of transfers
the house had not the opportunity of knowing what had
been done. He did not accuse the Admiralty of conceal-
ment, but the effect was to conceal from the house the real
state of the case. It was true that they would see it in the
detailed accounts of naval expenditure, but those accounts
were presented some 12 or 14 months afterwards, at the
end of the session, and probably not half-a-dozen members
of the house ever saw them. He suggested whether it was
not possible to put an end to this system of transfers alto•
gether. He believed it might be done in this way. He
should like to see something like a Treasury chest fund or
general contingency fund brought into play. The house
should vote exactly what the Government proposed, with
such alterations as the committee might think fit, and what
was voted should be all that the Government should be
entitled to expend, and if it were necessary to expend more
it should be taken from this general contingency fund, and
then, or after the close of the financial year, there should
be a vote taken to supply the deficiency thus created in the
contingency fund. The effect of this would be that the
house would have before it in detail every sum that had
been expended.
Mr. WHITBREAD said he did not presume to offer
any opinion on the suggestion that the honourable
baronet had made. It was a question that involved
grave consideration, and certainly could not be an-
swered by anybody on the spur of the moment. With re-
gard to the first item, for dredging atPortsmouth, it should
be read with the correspondence of the previous year, where
the outlay was shown to bo absclutely necessary. The
items for the Portsmouth Dock and the Woolwich Marine
Infirmary illustrated a particular case. The practice of the
Admiralty was to apply sums from one item to other items
under the same vote, so that they did not exceed the total
amount of the vote. But they were bound to take the sanc-
tion of the Treasury when a work would involve an excess
of the vote, or when they proposed to engage in a new work
for which no vote had been taken. All the cases now before
the house came under the first category, the exception being
the iron caisson at Sheerness, which was a new work.
With regard to the excess of the expenditure for the Wool-
wick infirmary, it arose from the desire of the Admiralty
to make such improvements in ventilation, and so forth, as
experience had shown to be requisite in order to make a
perfect hospital. He thought that acting under the appro-
priation Act, and with this statement of the case clearly put
before Parliament, as it was in the correspondence, the
check appeared to,be all that the house could desire. With
regard to the caisson he might add that when the estimates
for 1861-2 were laid on the table it was not believed that an
opportunity would arise for placing the caisson in the arch ;
but it should not be forgotten that the money for that very
caisson was actually voted in 1856-7; but it was found im-
possible to construct it at the time. In June an earnest re-
presentation was made from the yard that the existing
caisson was in a bad state, and it was thought necessary
that the new caisson should be constructed, especially as by
so doing they were able to admit a new class of ships.
was one of those emergencies which appeared to him to o
clearly contemplated by the act of Parliament. The sug-
gestion of the hon. baronet must be left for future consi-
deration.
. Sir F. T. BARING said this subject was one of great
importance ; it was extremely difficult. He had tried to
find a stronger check than they had now on the Admiralty,
but he found it difficult to do so.
The report of the committee of supply was then agreed to.
INDIA STOCKS TRANSFER BILL.

BIV CE.

spectors.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished to call attention to a
communication which had been received from the Privy
Council by tho Rev. G. W. Waugh, of St. Saviour's Na-
tional School, Liverpool, dated tb e Ist August, 1861, in
which the writer said he was directed to inform him, that
after the Ist November next the minute of the 29th July,
1861, would take effect in his school, and that rll new ap •
pointments would be subject to the revised code. (Hear.)
Mr. MOWBRAY also read a letter which had been re-
ceived by the managers ofl the school at New Seaham, in
the county of Durham, in December last, announcing that
thenceforward no new appointments would be made under
the old code. He asked how the right hon. gentleman could
reconcile this announcement with his declaration in July
last.

This bill was considered as amended, and ordered for
third reading.

Mr. LOWE, in reply to the last two speakers, admitted
that it was impossible to reconcile the statement which he
had made in July, with the letters which had been read by
the hon. member for Durham, and by the hon. baronet.
But the correspondence in the Privy Council office amounted
to some 6,000 or 7,000 letters yearly, and it was quite im-
possible that any one person could see the whole of it. Ho
could only say that the letters referred to were entirely
contrary to the practice of the office, and if hon. gentlemen
had given him notice of the questions they intended to ask,
he should no doubt have been able to furnish the informa-
tion. He could only say that all his papers were at the
service of any hon gentleman who wished to make an in-
quiry of that nature. (Hear, hear.) As to the charge
which the noble lord had brought against him, he could
only say, as to his speech, that was a statement of a
simple fact. The noble lord caught at the expression "any
innovation," no doubt ; but the meaning and sense of
what he (Mr. Lowe) said were, that they could not
have, and they had not, the slightest intention to
make any change without the sanction of Parliament.
The noble lord (Lord It. Cecil) had said that he stated the
pupil teachers under the new code should be engaged for
five years as they were now. The noble lord had read a
paragraph from the new code in which it was said that en-
gagements should be terminated by six months' notice by
either party, and contended it was part of his (Mr. Lowe's)
undertaking. Did the noble lord understand what was the
present engagement of a pupil teacher ? It was to serve
five years ; but the agreement was not stamped and had no
validity whatever. (Oh, oh.) The Government thought
it better in introducing the new code that they should give
a real and effective guarantee, terminable on notice on
either side, in place of that which was now wholly invalid.
The noble lord himself gave an answer to his next interro-
gatory. The framing of the altered code was a matter of
no small difficulty, but the transition from one state to
another had caused most anxious consideration, and if th 9

EXCHEQUER BILLS BILL.
This bill was committed pro forma, for insertion of
amendments.
CONSOLIDAI ED FUND (L 9.73,747) BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
The house adjourned at 20 minutes to nine o'clock.

OUTBREAK AT THE DArTMOOR PEISON,—The
convicts at Prince Town have for some time past been mu-
tinous and dissatisfied. On Sunday last they broke into
open revolt, and it required the most strenuous exertions of
the warders and civil guardsmen to quell them. A week
or so previously the governor and deputy-governor were
attacked by a couple of ruffians, but were saved from any
injurious consequences by the opportune interference of
some warders. The two convicts who committed the assault
were brought before the Government Inspector, Captain
Gambier, and orders were given that three dozen lashes
should be inflicted forthwith upon each of them. It is ru-
moured that the Governor has applied to the authorities for
a larger supply of troops at Dartmoor. There are now only
about 150 guardsmen and warders there, the number of
convicts held within the establishment being nearly 1,200.
Plbmouth Journal.
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the application of Holloway's
Ointment Ointment
is the best which renders the
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correc-
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incident to tender skins ; it saves ail the torments of such
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not slight or questionable advantages. Holloway's Oint-
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may use it with implicit confidence; they will find it
lexercises a demulcent influence whilst operating as a
thoroughly detergent agent,

inn SUN, - LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, mA.Roa 1, 1862.

OXFORD CIRCUIT.—READING, Feb. 28.
(Before Mr. Baron Channell.)
MURDER OF A GIRL AT WINDSOR BY HER FATHER.
John Gould, aged 39, who appeared in the garb
of a labouring man, was indicted for the wilful
murder of his daughter, Hannah Gould, at Wind-
sor, on the 30th of December last.
The prisoner, Who has been a bricklayer's labourer,
lived with his wife and only child in a cottage,
situate at Clarence Clump, Clewer-lane, Windsor.
He has been long known as a man of unsteady and
dissolute habit, and much addicted to intemperance.
Although having but one child (with whose murder
he was charged), be has been so idle that his wife
has been obliged to accept a situation as under or
day nurse at the Windsor Dispensary and Infirmary,
in order to obtain a livelihood. On Monday, the
30th December last, the day of the murder, the pri-
soner's wife went out as Usual to the infirmary,
leaving her daughter, Hannah Gould, a fine girl,
about eight years of age, in charge of her neighbour,
Mrs. Clark, the wife of police sergeant Clark, be-
longing to the Windsor force. About 3 o'clock on
the afternoon in question the prisoner returned to
his house, evidently the worse for liquor. The de
ceased was in the house at the time, with a daugh-
ter of police-sergeant Clark, of about the same age,
both of whom had been engaged in lighting the
fire. The prisoner said to his daughter, " You're a
naughty little girl not to clean up the place."
The poor little thing innocently replied
" I could
not do it." The girl Clark then made for leaving
the house, and asked the deceased to go with her,
but the prisoner Said, "No, I want to do something
with her," The girl Clark left the house, and just
as she got to the door she saw the prisoner take a
razor from off the shelf, She then walked away,
and two little boys; who had also been in the house,
accompanied her. In about half an hour, after-
wards the prisoner went into Mrs. Clark's house,
and said, " Mrs. Clark, I want you." She left with
Gould, to go to the house, and he did nor utter a
word to her on the way. *hen Mrs. Clark got into
the house she saw a large quantity of blood on the
floor. Gould entered the house first, and Mrs. Clark,
seeing what bad happened, said to him, " Oh, you
vagabond, you've cut the child's throat." He made
an .wer, "I done it—l done it." The child was lying
at the bottom of the stairs, on her knees, with her
head lying on the bottom step, and her throat cut.
She was dead. Mrs. Clark was so frightened that
she ran out of the house, and when she looked round
she saw the child on the bricks in the passage,
having evidently been thrown out by the inhuman
father. A cry of " mut der," was raised, and Charles
Coker, a labourer, living in one of the adjoining
cottages, ran out to see what -Was the matter. He
saw the prisoner's child lying outside the door,
with her throat cut, and the prisoner having said
that he did it, he (Coker) went in search of a police-
man, and prisoner wag taken into custody.
Other evidence was adduced that went to show
that the prisoner was at the Prince of Wales beer-
house, Clewer-lane, about half-past one o'clock. He
asked a man, named Reuben Turner, to fetch him a
pint of beet. Turner said he had no money, but
the prisoner told him to fetch it, and he Would pay
for it. They drank together, and shortly after-
wards the prisoner said, " I shall be locked up to-
morrow." Turner remarked, "Lord, Jack, don't
talk like that ; what are you going to be locked up
for P" Gould replied, "For murder." Turner then
rejoined, " Nonsense, don't talk like that." Gould
did not say what murder he referred to. Turner
left the public-house, Gould remaining in the tap-
room. Before Turner went away Gould said, "
shan't be living on the Ist of April," but he gave
no reason for saying so. Gould, though suffering
from the effects of drink, was not, in Turner's
opinion, so dinnk as to be incapable of knowing
what be was about.
The defence was, that the prisoner had, some
years ago, received an injury on his head which at
times rendered him incapable of knowing what he

was doing.
The jury returned a verdict of guilty.
The learned judge passed the awful sentence of
death upon the prisoner, who, throughout the
whole trial, exhibited an air of indifference, He
left the dock after saying a few words to the de-
puty-governor of the gaol.