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the Government thought the prudent course would
be to make-neither of these redrctions, and on their
part he had submitted a plan to the consideration of the
house. He would not speek now of the chance
divisions taken on the advertisement duty at a late
hour in the evening ; but be would admit that those divi-
sions did indicate to his reird, yid to those of his col-
leagues, a strong f:eling and deeiee on the part of the
house that that duty should be repealed. (Hear.) The
opinion of the Government was that it would have been
more prudent not to repeal that duty. Lneir opinion
was that they could no:; repeal both these duties, and
they were not prepaee to repeal both of them ; but he
bad not the least hesitation in say-:rg that if the question
cense to be between the one duty and the other,
and if the hence was disposed to press for the repeal of
the advertisement duty in opposition to the views which
Government held as to what the interests of the revenue
might require, and if they were called on to exercise a
judgment on the question where they should take their
stand, add ed where they should say they could not conscien-
tiously accede to the propositions of the Louse, then their
duty with regard to the tax on attorneys' certificates would
be to declare that they were not prepared to accede to
the repeal of that tax. (Hear, hear.) They admitted that
the house had shown a strong desire for the repeal
of the advertisement duty. They placed the two ques-
tions before the house, and they frankly owned that if
one of these duties was to be repealed, that one should
not be the duty on attorneys' certificates. He had never
said more than that. 'there had been no tacit under-
standing. He entirely declined to gave any sort of
pledge with reference to the future ; but he had stated
that, in the view of the Government, it would not be
consistent with their duty to consent to the repeal of
both these taxes. (Hear.) He would now leave the
matter in the hands of the house, arid express the hope
that this subject was not to be made a tax in another
form—a perpetual tax from year to year on the
time of the house, but that it would receive some
final and decisive expression cf opinion, from which both
the Government and the pasties might have the oppor-
tunity of judging what course was to be taken, and that
they might be able to apply themselves to business in
future sessions without the perpetual discussion of all
the incidental accompaniments that attached to the sub-
ject of attorneys' certificates. (Cheers.)
After a few words from Colonel SIBTHORP,
Mr. EWART had repeatedly moved in former years
the repeal of the advertisement duty, and had as repeat-
edly supported the motion of the noble lord the member
for Middlesex, but he could not for a moment hesitate
now in giving his support for the repeal of the advertise-
ment duty in preference to the repeal of the attorneys'
certificate
.ch4y.

ROUSE OF COMMONS--(YESTERDAY.)
ATTORNEYS' CERTIFICATE DUTY (No. 2.)

BILL.

Lord It. GROSVENOR moved the second reading of
the bill. He had postponed the second reading from
time to time, and had he been pressed to bring it on at
an earlier period he should probably have declined
to do so ; but as the financial scheme of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer had safely passed
through the ordeal to which it had been very properly
subjected, and as the returns of the quarter's revenue,
lately published, showed a considerable surplus, he
thought he was not taking an unjustifiable course in now
pressing for the entire reduction of the tax. The pro-
position of the right hon. gentleman v,:th regard to the
tax had not been at all. approved of by the attorneys and
solicitors. He understood that the Government had
been beating up for recruits in all directions, and it was
said that they had succeeded in obtaining the support of
the right hon. gentleman the member for Manchester
and his friends, on the understanding that the Govern-
ment would take the newspaper taxes into their favour-
able consideration. If the right hon. gentleman the
Chancellor of the Exchequer would give an assurance
that he would take the tax into his consideration next
session, he should not press the bill to a second reading.
Mr. MURROUGU denounced the bill as a political
sham. He never had seen such a ridiculous manner of
advocating the cause of a class as the course adopted by
the noble lord, and he thought that if the noble lord
had taken as straightforward and sincere a course as the
right hon. gentleman the member for Manchester, the
attorneys would now be in as good a position as the
newspaper proprietors were.
Mr. HUME had always been opposed to the abolition.
of the tax, but he did not think the hon. gentleman was
advancing the interests of the attorneys by imputing
partial motives to any member of that house.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER must
say he sympathised very much with the pain which the
honourable member opposite (Mr. Murrough) suffered
on account of the vote he was about to give, but he
would respectfully suggest to him that he might very
easily spare himself that pain by not giving it. (A. laugh).
There were two motives on which men generally acted
--the one was from duty, the other was from pleasure.
Tho honourable member, it was plain, was not going
to act for the purpose of duty, for he said he was
about to vote for a political sham—(a laugh)—neither
was he going to vote for the purpose of pleasure, for he
said it was painful to his feelings to vote for the motion.
(A. laugh.) Perhaps he would pardon him for offering a
suggestion, that, in these circumstances, he would be
acting entirely in accordance with the dictates of his
conscience if he removed himself from the house alto-
gether. (Great laughter.) But he must be allowed to
say he thought the hon. member had entirely mistaken
the motives and character of his noble friend's conduct.
(Hear.' His noble friend, at his suggestion, agreed to
take the division on the second reading of the bill, but it
was not at all true that his noble friend by that agree-
ment in any way put an advantage into his hands. If
he had done so the hon. member would have had a
right to complain, or at least would have had some
colour of complaint ; but the hon. member was perhaps
not aware that, this being a case of reduction of duty,
it was not necessary to introduce it by a preliminary
resolution at all, and that, by not opposing his (the
li
Chancellor of the Exchequer's) resolution, his noble
friend did not lose his right to introduce a bill to take
away the duty altogether. It was, therefore, a mere
matter of courtesy that led to any arrangement between
them. If it had not been for the attack just made by
the hon. member opposite, he should have been dis-
posed to take up his noble friend from an opposite point
of view, and to compliment him for the tenacity, he
would say the chivalrous tenacity, with which he
had taken up the cause of this unfortunate and
helpless body. (A laugh.) His noble friend's cha-
racter as a philanthropist had been long esta-
blished, otherwise, no more illustrious example of it
could be quoted in after times than the manner in
which he had held out the right hand of succour and
support to a meritorious class, entirely without organi-
zation—(laughter)—not represented in that house—
(laughter)—cut off from all the ordinary means of com-
munication with it enjoyed by other clasees—(laughter)
—and, last of all, having their friends on circuit. (Great
laughter.) But, with regard to the question at issue, it
was understood that they were discussing a bill with two
objects—one to repeal the annual certificate duty paid by
attorneys and solicitors, the other to amend the law with
regard to their registration. The question to be taken on
the second reading, however, had no relation to this last
clause, and therefore they were going to debate the ques-
tion whether they would repeal the certificate duty or not.
He was sorry to find that besides the offence of refus-
ing the repeal of the duty he had committed another
offence by introducing a plan for the reduction of the
duty, that was more unacceptable than its maintenance
—for his noble friend had told them that the plan which
he introduced gave satisfaction to no one, while it would
be a sheer loss to the revenue. (Hear, hear.) Now, all
he had to say upon this point was, that if the noble lord
and his friends felt so much aggrieved by the proposal
which he had made, he did not say the Government was
so obstinate in their adherence to the plan as that they
might not be induced, on the representation of the par-
ties, to give it up altogether. (Laughter.) But, most
unquestionably, they would not be parties to a repeal
of the certificate duty and setting the profession free
from a tax to the State which they had paid for 60
years, and which they were brought up in the expecta-
tion of paying, and at the same time leaving in its
unmitigated force the enormous tax now paid upon the
stamp that was required in the case of every little
boy whose father wanted to put him into the profes-
sion—a tax of 1201. in the case of a boy, who might,
perhaps, turn out to be unfit, or who might be pre-
vented by circumstances from following out the voca-
tion. (Hear, hear.) Tho Government would be no
party to levying such a burdensome tax and repealing
the other. (Hear.) His noble friend said, if he would
consent to put his refusal on the ground of a temporary
injury to the revenue, and promise that by another year
he would somewhat relent, he would be ready to take
the present plan of the Government as an instalment,
leave the question in the meantime in his hands, and be
ready to take it up again in a future year. Of course,
it was open to his noble friend to use his own discretion
in the matter; but it was open to him also to say that
he hoped the house was now disposed to come to a
final vote on the subject. (Hear.) He could give
what he thought conclusive reasons from the state
of the revenue of the present year why the re-
peal of this tax should not now be granted ; and
he could not give any promise conscientiously to
his noble friend in the next year, or any
future year, he could repeal this duty—and for this plain
reason, that, forming the most sanguine estimate of the
resources of the revenue, he still felt there were other
objects of legislation beneficiAl to the attorneys and
solicitors, in common with the rest of the community,
far preferable to this, and far more imperative than this,
in the claims they made on the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer and that house. (Hear.) He therefore could give
no pledge as to the future, because he saw a long array
of claims coming in for the repeal of taxes—claims of a
far higher nature than could be urged in favour of the
present object. Now, with regard to revenue conside-
rations, he would state a few words to the house. On
the 18th of April, having stated to the house the changes
which the Government were prepared to propose with
reference to their fiscal legislation, he calculated that the
result of those changes would be to leave them with a
surplus of 495,0001. Since that time various changes had
taken place, and he was able to speak more positively
on subjects scarcely then ripe for a conclusion, and the
result had tended materially to alter the statement he
had made. His noble friend must not found his calcula-
tions upon the last quarter's revenue. The returns for
the last quarter were swelled adventitiously and acci-
dentally by a variety of causes which ho could easily
point out ; and he would say, looking at the present
state of the country, enlarging on that view of it, and
the prospect of the harvest, that if he were to go now into
his department and ask them to give him a new estimate
of the revenue for 1853-54, they would not be able to
give him, to say the least, a more favourable estimate
than that which he laid before the house in April.
(Hear, hear.) As to the surplus he then calculated
upon, it would be necessary to make one or two state-
ments. In one item, that of the militia, there would
be a gain, the expenditure under that head being
52,0001. less than was anticipated. The packet contract,
however, would exceed the estimate by 35,0001.
Then there was a sum of 56,0001. which he expected to
have got from the Channel Island harbours, but which
it would not be possible to save during the present
year. There was 100,0001., the probable result of the
financial measures that had be taken, a sum which
would be realised as a permaneMaving to the country
from the contracted amount offlp.Exchequer-bills, but
which would not be available fbr the balance of
present year. There was likewifie 110,0001.,
utwhich the
he
had this item
which e
had calculated on receiving rrbm ice
ivas so cut down by deductionslicenses,
had found it
necessary to make in order to satisfy the fair claims of
parties who had made representations to him that it
was deemed better not to
was 301,000', hatopuatrtooff
theth
surplus disposed of, an the
scheme. (Hear.) Here
d that left, after giving credit
for the sum saved from the
_mhielnitiaa, the amount f
sum of from
o
250,0001.1500001.
to (2Hoeo7o,oolhea
. wouldr) . T
be required to meet co: lir
-
twin charges that it would be their duty to take in a
supplementary estimate ; thatsoooo all they had left of
the surplus would be from 50 0, I.to 100,0001. (Hear.)
There was a demands ade for the r peal of the adver-
tisement duty, amng to 80, 000/ ~ and of the attor-
neys' duty, also amounting to 80,0001. ; but if both of
these duties were to be repealed they would have to carry
on the operations of the financial year, not with a sur-
plus, but with a deficit. tHear.) Something had been
sa'd about a tacit understanding with the right hon. gen-
tleman the member for Manchester. Whatever under-
standing there had been on this subject was not
tacit but outspoken (hear, hear) and whatever
had proceeded from him, directly or indirectly to the
members for Manchester in regard to the relation
between these two questions of the attorneys' and
a Ivertisement duty, was no more than had likewise
proceeded from him directly to the noble lord the mem-
ber for Middlesex one or two days ago, when he called
upon him, when he pointed out that in regard to the
national accounts there was a very close relation be-
tween the two questions. (Hear, hear.) They *ere
asked to repeal two sets of duties amounting to 160,0001.,
and it was acknowledged that if they did so they would
start, not with a surplus, but with a deficit, Now,

Mr. MAGUIRE urged the claim of the attorneys to
the consideration of Vie house.
The house then divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading lO2
Against it
Majority -84
The bill was consequently thrown out.
RECOVERY OF PERSONAL LIBERTY BILL.
On the motion for resuming the adjourned debate on
the second reading of this bill, _ _

M:. BOWYEA. rose to order. He understood that
the second reading was negatived by the division which
took place on the 23d of June, and he wanted to know
how they could resume the debate on that question
now?

The SPEAKER said they were strictly in order. At
the former occasion the question was "That this bill be
now read a second time ;" to which an amendment was
moved to leave out all the words after the word
"that," in order to insert the words moved by the hon.
and learned member for Bath, and the question which
the house had now to decide was whether these words
should be added.

Mr. J. BALL was glad that the question had been
so narrowed, because it rendered it quite unnecessary
for him to answer the flimsy arguments which had been
urged in favour of the bill. As for the amendment of
the hon. and learned gentleman the member for Bath,
be insisted that it was wholly uncalled for. The whole
movement was an unjust attack upon a number of most
valuable institutions, which ministered to the wants of
the sick, provided education for the poor, and pro-
moted the religious welfare of• the Roman Catholics.
Those who opposed, or wished to pry into them,
did not do so for the sake of securing the interest of so-
ciety generally, but with the view of spreading religious
discord and exciting unholy animosities amongst the
people. That was the great object of the Protestant
Association, the Evangelical Alliance, and similar socie-
ties, and they sought to accomplish it by resorting to
scandalous libels, which they published, upon the Roman
Catholic Church. Now, he wanted to know if the house
was ready to assist such a movement by passing a mo-
tion like this ? He hoped not ; and therefore he called
upon them to reject the motion.
Mr. E. BALL believed that the essence of religion
was charity, and, although a Dissenter, he was yet in
favour of maintaining the Established Church. (Hear,
hear.) Through life he had been the advocate
of religious liberty, and often had he been persecuted for
the views which he entertained. He was consequently
not disposed to join in the persecution of others, and as
he had not yet heard anything in suppm t of this motion
he should resist it. He might be looked upon as the
very antipodes of a Roman Catholic, but he never hoped
to convert others to his a iews by persecution. No ; it
must be done rather by charitable and Christian persua-
sion, and not by a recourse to violence. He strongly
deprecated these efforts to increase religious animosities,
they produced no good; but above all he deprecated the
vile and unchristian manner in which the institutions of
the Roman Catholic Church bad been assailed. He
had visited some of them, and he found instead of a pri-
son, a charitable asylum where children were educated,
who would otherwise have been left to the lanes and
streets—where poor women were employed or re-
claimed from an ill course of life. He had visited
the convent in Blandford-souare, the asylum of
the Holy Shepherd at I' ..enmersmith, as well
as the nunnery at Roehampton • and instead of finding
dungeons in them, he discovered places where charity,
good will, and religion prevailed. While, therefore, he
had the strongest faith in his own Protestant principles,
which could thrive without the assistance of legislative
enactments, he had no fear of their being undermined
by institutions like these ; and his course was clearly to
vote against the motion.
Mr. WHITESIDE treated this as a legal ques-
tion, and contended that the house bad no alter-
native but to appoint a committee of inquiry.
with a view to the amendment of the law relat-
ing to the inmates of conventual establishments.
He wished to have no disagreeable or painful inspection
of conventual establishments, but he desired to protect
their inmates from having their proper ty taken away
from them against their will. He was surprised to find
great unanimity among Roman Catholics in favour oil
throwing some protection around ladies in convents in
regard to the execution of deeds and wills. He could
not see any reason why the Roman Catholic members of
the house should object to inquiry if they were so satis-
fied it would redound to their honour, or that the cases
of oppression which had been c':,ed were without foun-
dation. He denied the assertion of the hon. member for
Carlow that the object of this measure was to assail the
Roman Catholics of Ireland, and to deprive them
of their rights of property. There could be no
doubt that the opposition for inquiry came from
the ultramontane party of the Romish Church. In
making that assertion, he did not stand alone. Mr.
Berwick, the principal of the college at Galway, had
said it was impossible for that institution to withstand
the machinations of this priestly party.
Mr. DRUMMOND raid the real question was the
secular power assumed, without ever being abandored,
mitigated, or modified, by Rome and all its clergy ; and
he should never, whether in or out of Parliament, cease
to expose the means by which they had boldly avowed
their intention to carry out the system into effect. He
considered that the motion was a very injudicious one,
because it would not secure the object intended. Hon.
members had alluded to the abuses connected with these
establishments in England, but nothing was dons here
equal to what took place on the continent. The state
oF Europe justified all that had Leen asset ;,ed of them in
the course of the debate. Wherever in France did they
fhnera rt
bo fe t
shte beloved r
mptns or
Rome,hierarchy
would
thWhere,the
butests
be? (Hear, hear.) He would recommend no one to
withdraw those troops if they had any mercy for the
Pope. He had no hesitation iu saying that convents
were abodes of cruelty, and he did not think the bill
would hit at the real evil. A wiiter on Poi Lugal, Gen.
Dumorier, stated that 400,000 out of the 2,000,000
of the population in that country were confined
in conventual establishments; one of them was the
seraglio of the king, and he described the whole of them
as of the most infamous character. The conduct of
priests was subversive
taohitymea pplproiuoosiaktfs
eimebsa
tloo.
aefprnaflrtolvosrf,etrbel
freemen
Protestant
aane amvgneeut
tnsos
nete:onio ttuthtwnhhataeetr
ys
icpti.omrwni pedoHsouutschel s
tdioibbnobel
gdee.
tslf themiooeeervbneedt
hsharers
withtiot tbwhewae
was
the affairs of this country. (Hear.)
Mr. P. O'BRIEN opposed the motion on the ground
thaL it was an unjust interference with the liberties of
the Roman Catholics.
Mr. B. E. ROCHE contended that it was the essential
piinciple of the religion of the Roman Catholics to be
loyal to this Protestant state. In discussing the ques-
tion, they would, without coming to any satisfactory
conclusion, steep themselves to their necks in theology,
exasperate the Catholi2s, and confute the Protestant
people of the country. Nothing could be more un-
statesmanlike than bringing for ward a measure of this
kind without any good grounds, when it was shown that
in every case of hardship which had been referred to
the law had been viedicat-d. It was like stepping in
where angels feared to tread.
Si* J. TYRREL attributed the opinions of the hon.
member for Cambridgeshire to his innocence in regard to
the system adopted in convents. He protested against
Wednesday afternoors being:" fritted away by gentlemen
who seemed speaking against time, and he expressed his,
astonishment that no member of the Government had
risen to interfere.
Mr. FITZGERALD contended that the arm of eie
law was strong eeough to protect the inmates of con-
vents both in regard to their own personal liberty and to
the disposal of their property. NV nerever moral coercion
had been proved, deeds waking away property to the
Church had been set aside. But where there %%els
one case of coercion in these convents there
were fift- Irivat- life br lhr -t over the child.

be received.
adjournment.
After a few words from Mr. C. BERKELEY and Mr.
NEWDF.GATE, the motion for adjournment was put, and

The noble lord concluded by moving tl.a

agreed to.
Mr. NEWDEGATE moved that the debate be re.
surned this day fortnight.
The motion was agreed to and the debate was ad-
journed accordingly.
After the reception of some reports the house rose at
a few minutes to G o'clock.

P.ARLIAMENTAR,Y DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-JuLy 20.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of
Com;ltons.)

ATTORNEYS AND SOLICITORS CERTIFICATE
DUTY (No. 2) BILL. •
Order for second reao;ng read ; motion made, and gnu,-
tion proposed, " That the b' 11 be now read a second
time;" amendment proposed, to leave out the word
" now," and at the end of the question to add the
words " upon this day thrc 3 months." Question put,
" That the word ' 1.0,n - E:,and pair, of the question."
The house dieldecl—Ayes, 102 ; Noes, KG.
MINORITY —AYES, 102.
Adderley, C. Graham. Lord M.W. :isTewAegate, C.
Alexander, J. Grogf.fi, Edward O'Brien, C.
A lines? ey, Earl of Hadfield, G. Plainer, E.
Bailey, C. Hamilton, Geo. A. Plrkei*, K. T.
Barrington, Viscount Hawkins, W. W. Pecheil, Sir O.
lienbow, J ohn Herbert, Sir Thomas Peel, Colonel
Iteresiord, William' notham, Lord Potter, R.
Berkeley, If. Ingham, Robert Price, Vir.:P.
Biandford, Marquis Jones, Captain Pugh, D.
Booth, Sir It. Kendall, Nicholas repton, G.
Brooke, Sir A. Ker, D. Boit, P.
Brown, H. King, James King Ruspei,F. W.
Burror otes, Henry N Knatchbull, Win. F. Sibthorp, Colonel
Butler, Charles S. Knight, F. W. Soiith, J.
Comae., Sir J. Riyett Latran, It. M. Somerset, Capt
Child, Smith Langton, 11. G. Spooner, R.
Cobbold, J. C. Langton, W. G. Stafford, A.
Codrington, Sir Win. Lascclles, E. Stanley, Lord
Canopy, Thomas Lennox, Lord A. Taylor, Col.
Crook, J. Leslie, C. P. Tudway, R. C.
Cubitt, Mr. Ald. Liddell, ii. G. Tyler, Sir G.
Davison, It. Locke, J. V5`1(..!, J.
Duckworth, Sir J. Lydon, Sir E. B. 1/4 ivyau, Sir It.
Buncombe. W. ..:. Macgregor, James Vyse, Capt.
Dunne, Col. Maguire, J. F. Waddington, 11. -,
Egerton W. Martin, John Walcott, Ad-n.
Egerton, E. Mike, W. Welby, Sir G. ,4
Ferguson, Joseph Michell, Wrirn Wl'teside, Jamas
Fitzgerald, Sir J. Moody, C. A. Whitmore, H.
Frewen, C. B. Morgan, C. Wise, A.
Fuller, Augustus E. Morris, D. Woodd, B.
Galway, Viscount Mowbray, J. Wync''nun, Gen.
Goddard, A. L. Mullings, J. IL TELLERS
Goderich, Viscount Murrouttli, J. F. Grosvenor, Lord It.
C re, W. Napier, J. Ball, Edward

MAJORITY—NOES 186.
Aclanti, Sir T. Fitzroy, Hon. 11. Oakes, J.
A'Court, C. 't itzrvilliam, G. 0 Connell, D.
Anderson, Sir James Foley, John 11. OTraher',.-, Anthony
Bailey, Sir J. FoN:cr, Charles Oliveira, Benjamin
Baines, H. T. l'ortescue, Chichester Osborne, Ralph
'laird James Fox, R. Otway, A. J.
Barnes, Thomas Gardner, Richard Owen, Sir J.
Barrow, William 11. Geacb, Charles Palmerston, Viscount
Bass, M. T. Gibson, T. 3i. Patten, J.
Beaumont, W. B. Gladstone, William Peel, F.
Beckett, W. Goodman, Sir G. Percy, J.
Bell, J. Gordon, Adtniral Peto, S.
Berkeley, Admiral Goulhuto, H. Phillipps, J. 11.
Bethel', Sir Richard Gower, F. L. l'hillimore, R.
Biggs, William Graham, Sir James Pigott, F.
Blackett, J. F. B. GrevAle, Colonel to. Pilkington, Janes
Boi.dero, Col. Hall, sir Benjamin Pollard-Urquhart, W.
Bonham-Cc:ter, J. Hamil4m, Lord C. Ponsonby, Hon. A.
Bouverie, E. Eastie, Alexander Pritchard, J.
Bower, (1. Hastie, Archibald Ramsden. Sir J.
Boyle, Hon. Colonel ITeadlam, T. E. Robartes, Thos. J. A.
Bramston. T. W, Heatlicoate, Sir C. Roche, E. B.
Bright, John Herbert, Sidney Russell, Lord J.
Brockman. E. D. Hervev, Lord A. Russell. F. C.
Browne, V. Heyworth, Lawrence Sadleir, J.
Bruce, Lord E. Ilindley, Charles Salleir, John
Bruce, H. A. liorsfall, T. B. Sawle, C. B. G.
Campbell, Sir A. Howard, W. '.'. Scholefleid, W.
Cardwell, Edward Howard, Lord E. Scobell, Captain
Caverdisb, lion. Geo. Hume, J. 503 mour, Lord
Chambers, T. Hutchins, E. Seymer, H. D.
Cholmondeley, Ld.II. Jermvn, Earl Shelburne, Earl of
Clifford, Henry H. Jocelyn., Viscount Shelley, Sir J. V.
Cobden, Richard Keating, R. Sheridan, R. B.
Cockburn, Sir A. Kennedy, T. Smith, John Benj.
Coffin, W. Keogh, William Smith, R. V
Cowan, Charles Kershaw, James Sinai, Rt. lion. E.
Cowper, W. K: -maird, A. F. Stuart, 11.
Craufurd, E. H. 3 li, i ii, William Sutton, J. H. M.
Crossley, F. Lacon, Sir E. Tailored, Henry Wm.
Dalkeith, Earl Laing, S. Thompson, George
Davie, Sir 11. Lawley, F. C. Thornely, Thomas
Denison, E. Lee, William Vernon.(:. B. H.
Denison, J. E. Legh. G. C. Villiers, C. Pelham
Dent, J. Lockhart, A. E. Wall, C. B.
Bering, Sir Edwo"d Lockhat t, W. Walmsley, Sir J.
Dlvett, E. Lowe, Robert Walpole, S. H.
Drumlaurig, Viscount Luce, Thomas Walter, .1 )lin
Drummond, Henry Mackinnon, W. A. Wells, W.
Duke, Sir J. 111‘Oregor, John Whelley, George 11.
Duncan, G. Haddock, Sir li. W.ckhain, H. W
Hondas, G. Maule, Colonel Wilkinson, W. A.
Thiodas, F. Miall, E. 'Williams, W.
Dunne, Michael Milligan, E. Wilson, James
East,;Sir J. B. Mills, T. Wood, Sir C.
Elelto, Lard Moffatt, G. Wrightson, W.'
k Wee, E. Molesworth, Sir W. Wyndham, IV l'istm
Elniley, Viscount Monck, Lord Wy :111, M.
Es.nonde, 3. Monsell, W. Yor.-1, Sir J.
E west, William Muigrave. Earl
Fc.iden, H. J. Illure, Col.
Fergus, John .Newark, Viscount
Ferguson, Col. Norreys, Lord

IELLEP I.
Hayter, lion. W. •
Berkeley Grenville

GREAT LONDON DRAINAGE BILL.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE BUN.

Sm,—You are aware that a bill under the above
title Ras introduced into Parliament this session, by
which it was proposed to accomplish the following
objects :—" To afford means for effectually draining the
Metropolis—to preserve the Thames from the pollution
at present passing into it—and to preserve the contents
of the sewers for agricultu-al purposes."
These objects were to be secured by the construction
of a tunnel sewer on each side of the Thames, passing
under and intercep:ing the contents of the present sewers,
conveying the same to a distance from the Metropolis,
and there, by deodorising and precipitating it, to form
an inodorous and dry manure.
This bill was referred to a select committee before
whom, dui'ng an investigation of seven days, the fol-
lowing facts were proved by evidence :
That the proposed tunnel sewers were capable of car-
rying off 37,000,000 of cubic feet of sewerage per diem,
whilst the daily amount of sewerage, according to the
highest estimate, is only 12,000,000 of cubic feet.
That by these tunnel sewers, and by no other means,
can the whole of the low-lying districts of the metropolis
be efficiently drained.
That for the ordinary rain-fall ample provision is made,
the flushing or scouring power of which will carry down
into the tunnel sewers all the foul matter that may be in
tlze general sewers, leaving them clean channels through
which any amount of storm wt,ter will afterwards pass
into thy' Thames. _

That the proposed terminal works were sufficient for
the purpose, and that the process of manufacturing the
manure was so inoffensive as to admit of the works ter-
minating at the River Lea, 31miles short of the distance
proposed by the plan.
That the tunnels could be constructed without inter-
fering with the traffic of the thoroughfares under which
it was intended to pass ; and

That the proposed tunnel sewers, branch sewers, and
works could be efficiently constructed for the sum of
900,0001., eminent contractors being fully prepared to
undertake the contract.

The minutes of evidence taken before the committee
were ordered to be printed, on the motion of the chair-
man ; reference to which NCII confirm the foregoing
statements.

Tbis important public work, originating with, and now
proposed to he carried out by, public enterprise, and in
all reasonable probability without charge to the rate-
payers, could not fail to confer such incalculable advan-
tages upon the metropolis that it was deemed reasonable
that the parishes benefited should share the risk in a
small degree. A clause was, therefore, inserted in the bill,
providing that they were to contribute towards a divi-
dend of 3 per cent. on the outlay (not exceeding 900,0001.),
in so i-• as the sale of the manure failed to produce that
rate of interest.

This guarantee was to extend only over 25 years, and
t, be altogether extinguished whenever the profits
Amounted to 3 per cent. Under this clause the greatest
amount which, under any circumstances, could bo pay-
able by the metropolis would be 27,0001. per annum for
twenty-five years, equal to a present value of 450,0001.,
or one haw the cost of the works.
The parishes, the parties really interested, did not
oppose the bill in committee, which was opposed only
by the representatives of the two Commissions of Sewers,
and on them, therefore, will rest the responsibility of
any delay that may occur in the carving out this work,
or of devising some better plan for the drainage of the
metropolis, and a more advantageous method of raising
the capital.—l am, Sir, your obedient servant,

W. C. STEP.HENS.

29k, Royal Exchange, July 13th, 1853.
By the minutes of evidence taken before the com-
mittece, you will see that the commissioners do not con-
temp': te taking any ft,;,eps for relieving the Thames from
its pollution ; but, on the contrary, they contend that
such pollution is not pai*.icularly injurious, and that
they intend to confine their labours, for many years to
come, to the formation of extended inland sewers in
connection with the pre,ent outfall sewers, which will
greatly increase the pollution of the Thames, and still
fc-ther endanger the health of the metropolis.

BURlALS.—Yesterday the Government bill for burials
beyond the metropolis was pl:nted. By this measure
her Majesty, on the representation of the Nome Secre-
tary, ir.ty restrain the opening of burial-grounds. There
r-e several provisions for burial grounds beyond the
metropolis.
TP-1: FACTORY IT 'INDS' STRIKE AT 31ANCIIESTEIL—
Dv'ing the week arrangements have been come to by
several employers, either with the whole or pelt of the
112.7ds who hnd struck work, and some large establish-
ments are again in full operation ; but in other mills
piecers have either struck or given notice to do so on
Monday next, if their demands be not complied with.—
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committeet the a -
journed
.mcet;ng of this company held yesterday, the
of investigat'mr, it being understoodof that when their
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,Gy in pi .a Be by the parem , rr -6-- ,per consideiation. A e sole point o.
In Ireland convents had existal openly and notoriously
_vest touched upon were the return of tat Melbourne, and
for centm:es, and was it not extraordinary, if such abuses ILhe ,alvices from St. Vincent of the arrival of the
had ex'sted in them, that there should be only four cases V%toria. It appears by the profit and loss account,
in the books in which assignments of the propel i,y hal that. the ordluary apoukture to the 30th of June last
been obtained by undue means, in all of which the law was 12,3381., whlle fie receipt. were .only 4,98.71.,
had set them aside. He protested against inquiry as leaving a balance of 7,3511.,1which added to the
unnecessary, and also because it would raise sectarian sum disbursed for a dividend at the rate of 5. per cent.
animosity, and be most mischievous in its effects. per annum in December last, namely, 5,6731., makes
Lord PALMERSTON suggested tb'.t the debate 13,014/. to be carried against the general account of the
should be adjourned, in order that some reports might Folipalf. •
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