The Sun.
London, England, 1862-12-16 00:00:00

THE SUN' 111.4ONDONf TVESDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 16, 1862.

DOULTON, M.P., AND 711 E ELEC-
70.RS 01 LAMBETH.

Mr. Doulton, the junior M.P. for Lambeth, mbt
his constituents last evening, at the Horns Tavern,

Kennington, on his own invitation, to address them
as to the present state of public affairs, and his con-
duct and votes in parliament since his election.
Mr. It. ELLINGTON was called to the chair, and
having briefly introduced the business of the meet-

in g,
Mr. DUULTON, M.P., who was warmly welcomed
by a very crowded room, observed that though this

was the first time on which ho had met them in the

character in which he stood before them that night
he hoped it would not be the last. lie had a very

high opinion of the wholesomeness of meetings like
the present, where the member stood before his con-
sti:nents to render an account of his doings, and

explain his views. Although when the practice was

first introduced by Mr. Williams, he believed it

beneath the digriti of a member of parliament, it

was now very generally followed by Conservatives
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as well as Liberale, and even Cabinet Ministers did

not think it impolitic to give such explanations of

their conduct and principles.

He reminded them

that he did not enter Parliament till half the ses-
sion was over, and therefore he had fewer defiei-..

ences to explain away and fewer acts to boast of

than many others. The first question which occu-
pied parliamentazy attention after he entered the
House of Commons was what was called the "De-
fences of the Country." He had entered upon the
discussion of that question totally unprejudiced and
in a position to form an accurate judgment upon the
facts and arguments adduced. The question was
whether it was better to spend money on fixed for-
tresses or on floating and moveable batteries; or,
in other words, ships. After hearing all that was
to ho said on the one side and the other, he arrived
at the conclusion that it would be better in every way
to spend the money parliament voted upon moveable
fortresses or ships rather than upon fixed fortifica-
tions, under the batteries of which, if we were in-
vaded, it was quite clear that no enemy would land.

It was urged by the Government that these

fortifications had been already commenced, and
many millions expended, while money would be
lost and wasted unless they were completed. There
was no doubt some force in that argument, but he,

for one, was of opinion at the time, and still re-

mined of that opinion, that it would have been

more economical, and have tended more to the safety

of the country, to have abandoned those fortifica-
tions which had been so commenced, and spent the
money proposed to be granted in building new ships.
(Cheers.) He gave full credit to the Government for
having acted in the matter honestly and with a
view to the good of the country. The ground for
this great expenditure for defences, as they all
knew, was fear of invasion. He was not one of those
who had ever been influenced by the invasion panic,
and though he had no great faith in the Emperor of

the French, he could not deny that he had shown
the best feeling towards this country in the com-
mercial treaty and in various other acts. But how-
ever friendly the disposition of the Emperor was
towards England, it must be borne in mind that he
held his crown not by the love of his people, as was
the case with the Sovereign of this country, but by
the fixed bayonets of his soidiers—(hear, hear)—and
while such a state of affairs remain in France there

was no permanent security for peace. It was there-
fore the duty of the Government of this country
and of the Parliament, while carrying out a strictly
rigid economy, to provide efficiently for any even-
tuality that might happen. (Hear.) He had been
speaking not long since as to the state of France
with a Frenchman of influence, who said to him,
,‘ Although things look so peacefully at this moment

I should not be surprised if we had within a few

days another revolution in Paris," and the conduct
of the Emperor himself showed that he was prepar-
ing for such a possibility. Turning to the church
rate question, Mr. Doulton said that there was no
occasion for the second reading of Sir J. Trela wny's
bill to have been lost as it was by a majority of one,
and had the Liberal party been as earnest and
determined in favour of the bill as the Conser-
vatives were against it, that bill would have
been sent up to the House of Lords by quite
as great a majority as in any previous year. But
the Liberal party in Parliament were a rope of sand
—when they should pull together they always fell
to pieces. (Hear.) As to the Maynooth grant, he
thought that little good resulted from its annual
agitation in Parliament, but it having been brought
forward, he voted for inquiry, on the principle that
he was opposed to religious endowments by the
State generally. On the ballot question he referred
to the circumstances under which Mr. Berkeley
moved his ballot resolutions last session, and how by
the mover and seconder abstaining from voting, the
bill was thrown out on the second reading. He
held that the ballot was necessary to secure freedom
of election. There had been recently two elections,

viz., for Totnes and Southampton. At Totnes, Mr
Dent, the Conservative, spoke against the ballot and
obtained the show of hands, but although the Con-
servative press hal prophesied the triumphant re-
turn of that gentleman, he polled only 5 votes, and
then retired from the poll, and in a valedictory ad-
dress he said that certain territorial influence which
had been all along looming in the distance, was at
the last moment brought to bear against him, which
meant that the Duke of Somerset, who had hitherto
been content with returning one member for Tot-
nes, now felt it necessary to send two, in conse-
quence of the straits to which Lord Palmerston's
Government was reduced. Could there possibly be
a stronger argument in favour of the ballot ? (Hear.)
The next question upon which he (Mr. Doulton)
gave a vote was that of the embankment of the
Thames. He rejoiced that the bill, as first intro-
duced in the House of Commons, which woud have
left that part of the shore between Hungerford-
bridge and Westminster-bridge unembanked, was
amended. lie did not know why it was brought
forward in that shape, unless it was to conciliate
some powerful interest—(hear, hear)—but he op-
posed it because indirectly it affected Lambeth,
which he hoped would have the benefit of the
embankment on the south side of the
Thames before long. They were entitled to it,
for they had been taxed long enough for metro-
politan improvements without sharing in them.
Ile voted against the Night Vouching Bill, which
had converted all the policemen in the country into
game-preservers and gamekeepers. That bill ought
never to have passed, and it never would have passed
had the liberal members evinced the same energy
end perseverance that the Conservative members
did. These latter stayed till 3 and 4 o'clock in the
morning to vote in favour of the measure, without
-losing a roan ; bu',%, although the Liberals promised
to remain also to oppose it, they always dropped
away one at'ter the other. After a short reference
to the education question as settled by Parliament
in the last session, and to the income-tax, ' w.lel" h he
said, would
reriiameut
he remain so long as we had an unreformed
turned to the question of Italy, de-
claring hinisflt
gising Garibaldi,
ia favour of Italian unity, and eulo-
that in the premenvtiho, he said, history would show
catastrophe ot A,itiltoproceedings terminating in the
'Garibaldi was first bc-
fooled, and then betraytht.no was no advocate for
had arrived when
the question should be serilornel
considered by the
English Government and thues-j
permanently
people whe-
ther Italy was to remainerm
a French
province. (Hear.) The American civil
de[TlY to be deplored, and he rei.ret that t over-
andwtharatwnaos
Itwas s
-break 3J; appeared in the dark cloud
shadowed the American continent.
tovvtver, that in this land of liberty, Whierhhaeari
made such sacrifices toe abolishxpresse
ci slavery,in fa
our of
r
sympathy
ywhere the
shlutd he an
the confederacy of slave-
Southern c mfederacy
owners. (Cheors, and some disapprobation.) He be-
lieved the first reason was the insults that the
North had heaped upon this country ; and the se-
ond had something to do with the material inte-
cre.ls. Slavery had more to do with.the civil war
than many people imagined. But while the South
openiy avowed that the black man was an inferior,
being, and must be kept in bondage, unfortunately
the North was not sound upon the question. Would
to God they were, and had placed their cause on
principle rather than expediency. (Cheers.) Of
this, however, there could be no question, that

if the South succeeded slavery would be strength-
ened and perpetuated. (Hear, hear, hear.)
He deprecated any interference on tLe part
of this country in the fratricidal quarrel, remark-
ing that interference meant interventiy-, and in-
tervention war. He made a feeling allusion to
the distress in the cotton districts consequent upon
that war, and spoke of the unexampled patience
with which the Lancashire men had borne their
distresses. As to the future ho never prophesied.
He hoped to see a considerable reduction in the na-
tional expenditure, and a consequent reduction of
taxation. He knew not whether we were to have
a Reform Bill—but he thought the Lancashire ope-
ratiws had proved in their present conduct that the
working classes might be safely trusted with the
franchise. He did not know whether the next was
to be a sensation Parliament, or that any attempt
would be made to upset the present Government.
Looking at the present state of foreign politics, he
considered it would be a great misfortune if Lord
Palmerston were removed from office. It was true
they had heard from Mr. Disraeli two or three
speeches which would have done credit to the pre •
sident of the Financial Reform Association ; but
when his sincerity came to be tested by Mr. Stans-
feld's motion, the right hon. gentleman rode off in
a quibble. In conclusion he declared that he would
continue to act independently in Parliament while
they continued to him their confidence.
In reply to Mr. HAYMAN, the hon. member ex-
pressed his readiness to vote for the abolition of the
tax on all incomes under £l5O a year.
l Some other comparatively unimportant questions
in reference to weights and measures, metropolitan
► tolls, and the licensing system, having been asked
and answered,

Alderman W. LAWRENCE moved a resolution of
approval of the hon. member's conduct and expla•
nation, and of confidence in him, which was se
corded by Mr. E. GROVES, and carried by acclama
tion.

Mr. DOULTON acknowledged his thanks, and
moved the usual compliment to the chairman, which
concluded the proceedings.

was wrecked on the previous Saturday, and about
one mile from where the Italian barque Padre was
lost on the 22d January last, when all hands pe-
rished. Gunwalloe is about six miles from Helsion,
and about the same distance from Lizard Head. A
schooner called the Arwenack is registered at the
port of Truro, official number 17,148, 92 tons re-
gister. It is supposed that she loaded at Mvoran
with copper ore, and, it is believed, belongs to
Messrs. Holman and others, of Devorn.— Western
Morning News.

LANCASHIRE .RELIEF BAZAAR"--PRO-
SECUTION UNDER THE LOTTERY ..4c2.

William Coneen and Henry Shaw, both of Bruns-
wick House, Wyndham-road, Camberwell, appeared
before Mr. Corrie at Bow-street, to answer sum-
monses issued at the instance of the Treasury autho-
rities charging them that they " On the 2d and 3d
December, and at other times, did publicly keep a
certain office and place, at the Whittington Club,
Arundel-street, Strand, to exercise, keep open, and
expose to be played, drawn and thrown at by lots,
numbers, figures, and by means of other ways, con-
trivances, and devices, a lottery not authorised by
Parliament, to wit, a lottery under the name, pre-
tence, and device of the Lancashire Relief B zaar.' "
Mr. Beasley, instructed by the Solicitor to the
Treasury, conducted the prosecution ; and Mr.
Beard attended for both defendants.

The charge having been read to the defendants
by Mr. Burnaby, the chief clerk, they pleaded not
guilty.
Mr. Beasley, in opening the case, stated that the
government had thought it their duty to prosecute
the defendants in consequence of circumstances that
had come to their knowledge, and which would
probably appear in the course of the evidence. The
proceedings were taken under the 47 Geo. 111., ch.
17, secs. 2 and 3, which stated that all persons
carrying on any " little gof" or other lottery not
authorised by Parliament, should be treated as
rogues and vagabonds. Now, the facts of the case
were these. The defendant Shaw is a printer,
in a small business, at a place called Brunswick
House, Camberwell, and the other defendant is a
commercial traveller. The charge is that they
opened a lottery, and carried it on during four
days of this month, at the Whittington Club
House. It appeared that on the 15th Oct,
they had issued a circular signed " William
Coneen," and requesting the permission of the per-
sons to whom it was addressed to use their names as
patrons of a bazaar, to be held "at the Crystal
Palace or some other suitable place," for the benefit
of the unemployed operatives in Lancashire. Several
gentlemen to whom these circulars bad been sent did
at first consent to the use of their names, but after-
wards a second circular was issued, from the terms of
which it was obvious that the pretended bazaar was,
in fact, nothing else but a lottery. This circular was
headed with the names, as "patrons and promoters,"
of the " charity," of the mayors of Blackburn, Bol-
ton, Salford, and; Wigan, and several other gentle-
men, who, no doubt, had consented to be patrons of a
charity, but several of whom would come forward
and assure the magistrate that they had never con-
sented to "promote" a lottery, and had protested
against the use of their names as soon as they be-
came aware of the nature of the proceedings. The
object evidently was to take advantage of the present
crisis in Lancashire, in order to get a lot of tickets
subscribed for, under pretence of a charitable object,
to collect together a quantity of rubbish to be given
as prizes, and to put the proceeds into their own
pockets. According to the second circular, the draw-
ing was to take place at the Adelaide Gallery, Low-
ther-arcade, and it was true that the defendants had
engaged a room there from the Messrs. Gatti, the
proprietors of the gallery, who agreed to take a
smaller sum than usual for rent, on the ground
that it was for a charitable object. But upon
learning the nature of the scheme as set forth in
the second circular, Messrs. Gatti refused to let
the room for that purpose. The learned counsel
produced a letter from Messrs. Gatti to the de-
fendants, to the effect that they could not allow
their room to be used for a raffle, as such a
proceeding would be illegal, and might involve
them in difficulty. They were very boisterous, and
threatened proceedings, as they had paid a deposit
of £2. It would appear that by way of giving

colour to the representation that the proceedings
were for the relief of the Lancashire operatives, they

had called on Mr. Gibbs, the treasurer, at the Man

sion House, and had shown him some papers, and
offered a check for £lO, to be placed at the disposal
of the Lancashire Relief Committee, sitting at the
Mansion House. It was in consequence of that
cheque that the matter came under the knowledge
of the Commissioners of Police, and hence these
proceedings. After Messrs. Gatti had refused the
use of the room at the Adelaide Gallery, the defen-
dants, not to be foiled, went to the Whittington
Club, where they took a room for three or four
days. Sergeant Tanner, of the detective force,
would prove that he attended there on the
2nd of December and bought two tickets.
While he was there a draw was made, and he put
in one of his tickets and drew a prize. It would
he idle for the defendants to say that they did not
know they were doing wrong, as it had been pointed
out to them by Messrs. Gatt, and notice had been
given them not to proceed. Several of the gentle-
men whose names appeared, would state that the
moment they saw their names attached to a circular
of a lottery they insisted on having their names
withdrawn, which was never done. He had before
him letters from the mayors of the several towns
abovementioned, but it bad not been thought neces-
sary to put those gentlemen to the trouble and ex-
pense of coming to town in order to didelaim con-
nexion with a lottery.
Mr. Beard—l do not kno qg whether I shall save
time by stating, that I do not deny that the defen-
dants were acting illegally, but I do not wish it to
go forth that their motives were such as were stated

by the learned counsel for the Crown. I say that

they really did not know that they were acting
illegally, and that the whole profits of the under-
taking were devoted to the fund.

Mr. Corrie—Then you would withdraw your
plea and say gnilty ?
Mr, Beard—l am willing even to go that far, but
I must claim the right to make a statement in de-
fence of their motives.
Mr. Beasley—l am told that it is not the fact
that they have made nothing by it. lam told that
one of them has stated that they made £lOO by it.
I would rather go on with the evidence.
Mr. Henry Owen Ford, 38, King-street, Hol-
born, botanic it practitioner, stated that he had
known Shaw for about seven months. Did not

know Coneen. His name appeared as a patron on

the second circular. He had not authorised it to
be used. In answer to the first circular he had filled

up the form authorising the use of his name as
patron of a bazaar for a charitable purpose, but not
for a lottery. As soon as he knew it was a lottery
he desired that his name should be withdrawn.

Shaw afterwards told him that they had made £lOO,
and had sent £lO to the Lord Mayor.
Mr. Beard—They had received £lOO, and after
paying expenses there was £lO left, which they
had handed over to the fund at the Mansion House.
Witness—Yes ; that was it.
Mr. Beard—Were you invited to any meetings
of the committee ?
Witness—l was; but I did not attend, as my du-
ties prevented me.
Mr. Powell, of the firm of Mead and Powell, sta-
tioners, Cheapside, also deposed that he consented
to be named as patron of a bazaar, but withdrew as
soon as he knew it was a lottery.
Cross-examined by Mr. Beard—Never offered to
supply goods. Offered, if any goods were bought,
to deduct 25 per cent.
Mr. Beard—ls that not offering to supply goods?
Mr. Powell—No; it is offering to contribute.

Agostino Gatti, one of the proprietors of the Ade-
laide Gallery, deposed that on the 14th of Novem-
ber he let the large room to the defendants, believ-
ing it to be for the purpose of a bazaar for the be-
nefit of the distressed operatives in Lancashire.
Afterwards he saw some of the tickets which satis-
fied him that it was for a raffle, and he thought that
was not right, and he wrote to them immediately to
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usual price, thinking it was for a chaiitable object.
Should nofb3ve let it at all for a lottery. He after-
wads saw the defendants, and said they should not
have his room for a lottery. They said it was not
a lottery. He said it w as.
Sergeant Tanner, of the detective force, deposed
—On the 3d December I went to the Whittington
Club, between 11 and 12 o'clock. The defendants
were both there assisting in the proceedings, Shaw
directing. On one occasion he hurried the pro-
ceedings, saying a lady was waiting. A lottery was
being drawn. A wheel was being turned, and the
lottery was drawn in the usual way. I purchased
two tickets for 2s„ and gave one ticket in. I re-
ceived a prize. It was a set of charms. (The wit-
ness held up the article in question, amidst some
laughter.) I stopped some time, and saw about a
score of prizes delivered. I should say they were
worth 11d or 2d each. I should say nothing w nth
more thin 31 There were little china vases, a few
small pictures, and so on. About £8 was taken for
tickets while I was there.

Mr. Beard—Were there any watches in the
room ?

Witness—l did not see any. It stated on the
ticket that there were. (Laughter.)

Mr. Beard—And clocks?
Witness—On the ticket—(a laugh)—but I did
not see any.

Mr. Beard—Leather goods, papier machie, china?
—(Witness assented.) Oil painting ?
Witness—Well, there were some pictures. Little
ones.

Mr, Beard—Like oil paintings?
Witness—A. little like them. (Laughter.)

Mr. Beard said the defendants had come to him
believing and intending to maintain that they had
done nothing illegal, but he perceived at once that
what they had done was contrary to the statute,
and upon his explaining that they had placed them-
selves in his hands. He would show that they had
not received one penny profit from the transaction,
but had handed over all the proceeds to the Lord
Mayor's Fund. The learned counsel had opined
that they had made £lOO piefit, and only given
£lO to the fund, but what was the evidence? why
that they had received £lOO, out of which they had
to pay expenses.

Mrs Beasley said he had opined as a proof that
the payment to the fund was a pretence, that it was
actuary paid before the drawing.
Mr. Beard—They had money in hand at that

time, having sold tickets.
Mr. Corrie—lf you satisfy me that you have
only received the money for this charitable pur-
pose and have not applied any portion to your
own profit, I shall deal with the case very dif-
ferently from what I should if I thought that the
charitable purpose was a mere pretence to get money,
and appropriate to your own use. But you must
show me that the whole profit was intended for the
fund. If you intended it for your own profit, but
it turned out unfortunate, that won't do.

Mr_ Beasley said that even if it was intended for
the charitable purpose the lottery was illegal, and
the public ought to be made aware that even good
objects were not to be brought about by illegal
means.
Mr. Beard—After these proceedings the public
will know it, and I trust I shall be able to satisfy
even the Crown that the proceeding has been bona
fide for the sole benefit of the charity. At my re-
quest the defendants have prepared a balance-sheet,
but unfortunately the vouchers are not here. If
the totals are correct, as I have no doubt they are,
they have not taken a penny to themselves.
Mr. Corrie—You must show more than that. You
must show that they never intended to do so. There
would have been some meetings of the committee,
and regular proceedings, proper books kept, and so
on. You ought to have kept an exact account of

everything.
Mr. Beard would satisfy his worship of all that
if the case were adjourned for a fortnight.
Mr. Corrie—That is too long. You ought to be
prep Ired now if you say you were only trustees.
Mr. Beasley—Do not you see enough, sir, to know

that all this is a mere pretence ?
Mr. Beard said it was not a pretence, He would
show that they never applied a sixpence to the
benefit of any of the promoters. They would have
had more money to pay to the Lancashire Relief
Fund, but that the authorities stopped it on the 3d

December.
Mr. Beasley here called
Mr. Gibbs, who stated that the £lO was all that
he received from the defendants for the Lancashire
Relief Fund. They wanted a receipt for the money,
as paid by the promoters of the " Lancashire Relief
Bazaar," but he refused to use that form, and gave
them a receipt for the money as being received from
Coneen and Shaw.
Ultimately the case was adjourned, on the under-
stcnding that evidence was to be tendered to show
the bona fides of the defendants' proceedings with a
view of mitigation of penalty.

loivinr,„ about 1 o'clock. After examining the place, I
left James Johnson, a shot firer, there.
To a Juror—Johnson's duty was to attend to the
two boards, see that thr) faces were free of gas, and
fire the abets during his shift. The shot-firers were
appointed on the Friday before the accident. There
were two men and a hurrier in each board. No
naki-d lights were used in the boards, but there were
naked lights about nine or ten yards from the face.
Naked candles, before Saturday, the 6th, were used
up to the board gate faces. In allowing the use of
the lights he acted upon the instructions of Lawton,
the steward. Candles were used by the getters at
the face, and had seen them at work with them.
Up to Saturday used naked lights, and used gun-
powder. The only alteration made before the 6th
was the appointing of persona to fire the shots.
Examined that portion of the works before the men
went down. Saw George Pickering at the second
halfway about one o'clock in the morning. He
(Pickering) tried another portion. Saw Pickering
again at half-past four. The condition of my dis-
trict was good, and found no gas but in the dipboard
faces. Left the district at 10 minutes past four.
The Court adjourned.