The Sun.
London, England, 1862-11-08 00:00:00

MARLBOROUGH-STREET.

SUSPECTED CHARACTERS IN PALL MALL. =John
Smith, of 3, North-court, North-street, Lambeth, and John
Andrews, address refused, a glass blower, were charged
before Mr. Knox by Sergeant Joy, 9 C, with loitering; in
Pall Mall, supposed for the purpose of committing a fP-iony.
Sergeant Joy said—About nine o'clock last night I saw
the two prisoners in Leicester. square talking together, and
walking along. I followed them to Coventry-street, the
Haymarket, and other places. Sometimes they were to-
gether, and sometimes apart. They then went into Pall
Mall, where they separated. Smith then got in a doorway,
and the other kept walking up and down. A gentleman
went by and both prisoners joined and followed him, it being
very foggy at the time. The prisoners followed the gentle-
man to the Army and Navy Club, when Smith got in front
of him and the other behind. Smith appeared to speak to
the gentleman. The prisoner then left the gentleman and
joined and walked down Pall Mall and back to the Army
and Navy Club, when they separated again, and Smith
again got in a doorway, and Andrews walked up and down.
They then waited till an elderly gentleman went by, and
they then followed him into St. James's-square; and when
opposite Charles-street, Smith spoke to the gentleman, who
appeared to be answering him, as he pointed towards
Piccadilly. The prisoners, however, did not go in ti
direction pointed out, but kept walking about the square
apparently asking questions of persons. The prisoners then
walked into Jermyn-street, where they spoke to a lady,
and I distinctly heard them ask her the way to Tottenham-
court-road. The prisoners, however, instead of going in
that direction, went back to Leicester-square, where he
had first seen them, and I then took them into custody,
having been following them about for one hour and a quar-
ter. Smith gave a correct address, but Andrews refused,
stating that he did not wish his friends to know where he
was. The prisoners had been seen together on a previous
evening by Sergeant Brown, 5 C.

Smith said it was not true what the sergeant had stated,
but he admitted that he had sauntered about.

Sergeant Joy said he noticed that some of the persons
the prisoners stopped seemed to be frightened.
Mr. Knox—Well they might be. The streets are as un-
safe now as going into a tiger's den. I shall remand the
prisoners that inquiries may be made, but I will take a
£2O bail for each, as the prisoners are not known.
OVERCROWDING OF 01INIBUSES.—Benjamin Wallis,
conductor of omnibus 6,604, badge 2,663, was charged on a
summons before Mr. Knox, by Mr. Wm. Love, the
prosecuting officer of the Royal Society for the Prevention
of Cruelty to Animals, with conveying upon the omnibus a
greater number of passengers than the omnibus was con•.
strutted to carry.

➢ir. Love said this was one of the cases which the society,
with a view to prevent unnecessary suffering to horses,:were
desirous to suppress. On the 30th ult. one of the closing
days of the Exhibition, two of the Society's officers,
Temperley and Young, at half-past nine in the morning,
saw the defendant's omnibus in Piccadilly full inside, and
the horses labouring hard to draw the load. The officers
stopped the vehicle and found four more .passengers
outside than the number the omnibus was conitrOed to
carry.
Defendant admitted that he was guilty.

Mr. Knox said that half-past nine in the morning was a
busy time with omnibuses when persons were going in and
out of town to business. That answer did not justify de-
fendant in infringing the law. Defendant appeared to
have been convicted before of a similar offence by the
endorsement on his license.
The defendant was fined 10s. and costs, or seven days.
The fine was paid.

EXAMINATION OF THE PRISONERS.
A poition of the following appeared in our impression of
yesterday es ening-

This afternoon the five men Boucher, Cummings, Bur-
nett, Brewer, and Griffiths, the men charged with the for-
geries on the Bank of England, on paper alleged to have
been stolen from the mills of Messrs. Portal, at Laverstoke,
were again placed at the bar. A sixth man, Williams, an
engraver, residing at Kennington, by whom the plates were
supposed to have been engraved, was also placed at the bar
with the others.

Mr. Freshfield said the sixth prisoner was not in custody
at the last examination, but he bad been arrested on a
charge of engraving the plate from which Griffiths printed
the notes. He was not sure that this might not become a
separate charge, but the particulars would develop them-
selves in due course.

Mr. Lewis said he should have to make minute inquiries
as to Brown's evidence, and it might appear at first sight
that it had little bearing on the case. Eventually, however,
it would be found of great importance, as Brewer entirely
denied the statements which the approver had made.
Henry Brown, whose evidence in chief has been fully re-
ported, was recalled, and Mr. Goodman, the chief clerk,
lead through the whole of his evidence. He was then sub-
jected to cross-examination by Mr. Lewis, who appeared
for the prisoner Brewer. He said he believed he was pos-
sessed of a good memory. He left the mill in June, 1861,
and had no connection with it since. He was dismissed,
but not for misconduct, nor for good conduct. He left on
his own account. (Laughter.) He was not dismissed for
keeping late hours and bad company. After his dismissal
he came to reside in London. No complaints were made
about his conduct prior to his dismissal. He went to live
at Stratford, near London, but did not go into any employ-
ment. He remained there about five weeks. He applied
for work, but did not get any. At the end of five weeks he
went back to Laverstoke and remained there four or five
months, during which time he lived with his father, but
had no regular employment. He then went to work at
Lush's, at Portsmouth, and remained with him till
Easter, 1862. He then left, and worked with his
brother. Then he came to London to Burnett. He did not
tell Burnett that he was coming to him, but he was on
terms of intimacy with him. He knew at that time that
Burnett had been in trouble—in fact, that he had been a
convicted person. He went to Burnett unexpected and
uninvited. He told Burnett that he had come to London to
get work. Burnett at that time lived in Thomas-street,
Gibson-street, Lambeth, but he did not know whether he
was in any occupation. He lived with Burnett in London
until the reward came out. He 3id not know the date of
it. He recollected what he did, but he did not know when
it was. After the i eward he went into retirement at 98,
Tower-street. While he was living with Burnett, Burnett
kept him, and also in his retirement. He came out of his
retirement about a month ago. Since that time he had
been with the police, who had been feeding him, but never
gave him any money. He had been living at the house of
Smith, one of the police officers, in order that he might
be kept out of the way of the other parties. Smith had
boarded and lodged him free. Smith told him his
object was to keep him away from Burnett and the others.
He went out with Smith occasionally. Smith treated him

to the Exhibition, the Crystal Palace, and occasionally for
a walk. Smith never gave him any money, nor did he
promise him any. He never spoke of money. Smith had
never said much about the case. The first person he men-
tioned the case to was Mr. Hamilton of the police, and Mr,
Hamilton used to call upon him, and ask him to tell him
what he knew about the case. Witness was very unwill-
ing to tell at first, but he found he was obliged to do so.
No promise was made to him that if he told all about it he
should stand as a witness instead of being placed in the

WESTMINSTER.
DARING GARROTTE ROBBERY.—James Butler and
John Ford, two notorious thieves, were placed in the
felon's dock, charged'with having, in company with two
others, garrotted Mr. Murray, residing at Chelsea, and bru-
tally i:1-used him.
Prosecutor said he was going to his house at 1 o'clock
yesterday morning, after attending a teetotal meeting, when
he was suddenly seized by the throat from behind by a
powerful fellow named Marks, and his head forced back,
while three others ransacked his pockets, and carried off
his watch and money, after which he was knocked down
with some hard instrument and brutally treated. When
he recovered his senses he gave information to the police,
and on Thursday night two men named Marks and Lane,
were apprehended, both of whom he positively identified,
and they were yesterday remanded for eight days. The
police had since taken the two prisoners as the remainder
of the four who had attacked him.
Mr. Paynter —Do you recognize these men ?
Prosecutor—l cannot positively. They resemble the men
in dress and appearance.
Mr. Paynter—Do you believe these to be the men ?
Prosecutor—l certainly do.
Inspector Butler—l can produce evidence to connect
these men with the other two.
Richard Burt, of 13, College-place, Chelsea, said—l am
a cabman. I was at Sloane-square last Monday night
After I had put my cab up in White Lion-street I went to
a coffee-house in the King's-road, where I saw the pri
soners and two others together. They left, and I after-
wards saw all four of the men near the Star and Garter, in
Sloan-square.
Mr. Paynter—Did you see the men Francis Marks and
Lane yesterday at this Court 1'
Witness—l did.
Mr. Paynter—And are these the other men who were
with prisoners ?
Witness—They are.
Inspector—l shall have other evidence against them.
Mr. Paynter—The prisoners are remanded for a week.

felon's dock. Hamilton told him it was very likely ho
would be placed in the dock as it was. Smith wrote out
a statement of the case from:what witness told him. He was
not told that he might get a share of the reward if these
persons were convicted. He had not come forward to giy I
evidence exactly to save himself, but also to implicate
the others. He was anxious that justice should
be done, and that others should have their rights.
He first stole paper front the mill about April,
1861, while he was at work in the mill. It
was about six o'clock in the afternoon. He took
it from the machine room. There were two machines in
the room, and they were attended by young females. At
3 o'clock the machines would be attended by two or three
young females, and the machines would be at work. He
took the paper from the size drying •machine, while it was
at work, and while the girls were there. It was possible
for him while the machine was in fu'l work to draw the
paper off without damaging it. He had business in the
room, as his fathcr was putting a machine up in the room
at the time. The next stealing was about a fortnight after
that. It was in the afternoon. He took the paper from
the same machine, and the females were at work as before.
The girls were within half a dozen yards of the machine at
the time, but they did not see witness. He could not give
the names of females present. The third abstraction of

THE GREAT YORG PRIES ON THE B4ll'ir had plenty of tens and fives, and would fetch them. Ho
OF ENGLAND. I then left, but returned shortly afterwards. At that time Mr.
Campbell came in. Buncher:asked Campbell if he had got
the stuff, when Campbell said his wife had it upstairs.
Buucher then became very violent, used very bad language,
and Mrs. Campbell requested him to be quiet. He went
out and called in the other man. This person said, " Come
along, George, and don't make a fool of yourself." Buucher
said, "Now the stuff, you little humbug, you are playing
the fool with us, It is not very likely that we are going to
part with the things till we get the money. You take me
to be a b fool, but you are mistaken. In fact, you
were never more mistaken in your life. Once for all, you
know there are £1,500 out (reward) for me. lam the
b— man that got all the bank paper. I have £30,000
now, and tke b-- Bank of England can't stop it. Camp-
bell said, "If you let me see the notes, I will get the
money." Buncher said, It is not very likely, but if you
show me the money, I will take my oath and kiss this
book. May Ibe b— well paralysed, and may God
strike me b— blind, if you put the money in my hand,
you shall have the goods within, say, a quarter of an hour."
Cummings, who was asked whether he wished to ask the
witness any questions, seemed to treat the matter as a joke,
said that the only question he had to ask was for his spec-
tacles, he could not see without them.
Moss said he would take care that the spectacles wore
handed over to the prisoner.
William Aubrey, a French polisher, of Broadwall, Black-
friars, said he had known the prisoner Burnett many years,
He missed him for some time. A short time since he met
Burnett, and at his request he called upon him in Angel-
place, Blackfriars, Burnett having stated he could put him
in the way of making a few pounds. Burnett held up a piece
of paper to the light. It was like two Bank of England notes,
with five in two places. He asked witness if he knew any-
body who could do them for him, by which witness under
stood that he wanted them printed. IVitne.i.s told him
that the only person he knew of was Bob Cummings, one
went together to Mr. Cooper's, at the
of the prisoners. They
Feathers, Smith -street,Westminster, and left Burnett there,
Burnett gave him a piece of paper to go to Orchard -street,
Westminster, and found Cummings at the White Horse,
He gave the paper to Cummings and asked him if he knew-
any body who could print it. He said he did by going
down to Birmingham. Witness then took him up to the
Feathers and introduced him to Burnett. They talked toge-
ther, and it was arranged that witness and Cumming should_
go to Birmingham on Saturday by the cheap train. I hey
all three met on Saturday morning, Burnett having giver,
him a roll of paper to give to Cummings. He also gave
him a sovereign. He. did not believe Burnett ever saw
Cummings until he introduced them. Cummings went
on to Birmingham. Witness was to have gone to Bir-
mingham, but he found that the train did not start
till the evening. Meanwhile he considered the matter, awl
forctuunmamteilnygdsid(ntoot
tghoe
a tall.
witness)—How long have
known me ? you
Mr. Goodman—Speak up, if you please.
Cummings—l will speak up. lam dry, as well he is,
and should like a drop of porter. To wits ess—Have you
known me abroad ? You know what I mean.
Witness—Never.
Cummings—How long is it since you and a woman
named Crawley robbed a man of a watch at Westminster ?
Witness—l wag 'never before a magistrate before this in.
my life.
Cummings—Did you not throw a man from the top of a
house, after robbing him of his watch; and were you not
for that sentenced to six years' penal servitude at Ber-
muda ?

Witness—Never. I believe that man Curamiz'gs was
convicted.
The Lord Mayor stripped the witness.
Cummings-0 yes. I have been convicted a good many
times, and you have been convicted too.
The prisoners were then remanded until one o'clock on
Friday next.

MARKETS-THIS DAY.

COVENT GARDEN.

The supply of produce is seasonably good, and the trade,
generally speaking, rules inactl-ve, at the annexed rates :

FRUIT.

s. d. s. d.
Pine apples, perlb 7 0 to 8 0
Colonial do., each 0 0 to 0 0)
Grapes, per lb 2 6 to 5 0
Foreign do 0 9 to 1 6
Melons ...
Nectarines, per dz 0 0 to 0 0
Apples, per hf-sv. 1 3 to 2 6 I
Pears, per do
Oranges, per 100 8 0 to 14 0 1,
Lemons, per 120 3 6 to 8 0
Gooseberries hf sire° 0 to 0 0
Strawberries pr pt 0 0 to 0 0 ,

s. d. s d
Cherries, per lb. 0 oto 0 0
Foreign ditto, immo oto 0 0
Filberts, per lb .. 1 oto 1 6
Walnuts, per 100 1 oto 2 0
Cobnuts, per lb .. 0 oto 0 0
Almonds, per bus 0 oto 0 0
Figs, per doz. .... 0 oto 0 0
Damson . 00to 0 0
Currants, per li.sy 0 oto 0 0
Plums, per do. .. 0 oto 0 0
Greengages, pr do. 0 oto 0 0
Raspberries, pr pt 0 oto 0 0

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VEGETABLES.
Greens, dz bunch 2 oto 2 6 Shallots, per lb 010 to 1 0
Cabbages, pr doz 0 9to 1 3 Horseradish, pdn 1 oto 2 0
Red ditto 1 6so 3 0 Parsley, per ditto 0 3to 0 4
Savoy do., pr dz oloto 1 .4 Celery, per ditto 0 10 to 1 6
Cauliflowers, pdzlo to 2 0 Beet, per doz. 00to 0 0
Brocoli, per bun. 0 Bto 10 0 Parsnips, per do. 0 oto 0 0
['otatoes, per ton 70 to 120 0 Small salad, p. ph, 0 oto 0 0
New ditto, pr pd 0 oto 0 0 Mushrooms,p ptl. 2 oto 2 6
Turnips, dz bunch 1 6to 2 0 Artichokes, each 0 oto 0 0
Carrots, pr do 4 6to 5 6 Cabbage lett,score 0 oto 0 0
Cucumbers 0 6to 1 6 Mint and s .vory.. 0 2 to 0 4
arlie, per lb
Sorrel, per sieve 0 oto 0 0 Radishes, dz buds 0 oto 0 0
Green peas, h.-sv. 0 oto 0 0 Tomatoes, doz., 0 oto 0 0
Brits. sprouts,h.s. 1 6to 2 0 Chillies, per ditto 0 oto 0 0
Onions, doz. bn.. 1 6to 2 0 > Capsicums, per do 0 oto 0 0
New Do., d'r. bun 0 oto 0 0I Rhubarb, per bun 0 oto 0 0
French beans, h.s. 1 9to 2 0! Asparagus, pr do. 0 oto 0 0
Leeks, per bunch 0 OSo 0 0; Seakale, per bun. 0 0 to 0 0
NEWGATE AND LEADENHALL.

paper took place a week or two afterwards, also in the
afternoon, and from the same machine, the womenbeing
again at work. All the classes of notes, fives and tens,were
worked on the same machine. The fourth transaction took
place about a fortnight aster that under similar circum-
stances. He was working in the machine room on each
occasion. The .£5O paper was worked on the same machine
as the £5 and the £lO. He was in his working dress on
those occasions. The quantity of paper taken on each
occasion would be equal to about twenty bank notes. On
one occasion as he was passing through Brewer discovered
him, and it was then that he told the first lie, that he knew
nothing about it, and had nothing about him but a wrapper.
All the deliveries of paper by Brewer to him were between
Brewer and him alone. He did not remember a key of the
premises being lost four or five years ago in the room in
which he and his father worked, and never heard of such a
circumstance. He and his father never searched for such
a key. Brewer once gave him a key to bring to London.
He took it back to Brewer and had not seen it since. No
one else was present when he delivered the key to Brewer.
The key was away from the mill more than a month.
It was about three months before he left the mill that he
became acquainted with Burnett. He never stole any rupee
paper. The paper was dry when he took it off the soil It
had never on any other occasion than this been said of him
that he was dishonest. No charge of the kind had ever
been made against him. He had been accused, after leav-
ing the mil, of stealing a spoke shave. He did not remem-
ber any other charges against him. He was certain he had
not twice been charged with acts of felony. He knew a
person named Martell, but that person had never charged
him with theft. He knew Lever, the Whitchurch con-
stable, but had not had any talk with him on this matter.
He had not had any conversation about the matter in the
presence of any of the prisoners, nor had any of them been
brought to him for identification. He could not say how
much money he had, from beginning to end, in connection
with this transaction. He had never been accused of in-
decency in a railway carriage by the officials.
Mr. Freshfield applied that his re-examination might be
postponed until he should have an opportunity of com-
municating with the people at Laverstoke, who were as
well acquainted with the mills as Brewer, who had in-
structed his solicitor.
The Lord Mayor asked Cummings whether he wished to
ask the witness any questions.
Cummings—No, I don't want to ask him any questions,
but I want to ask you a question, and that is, whether
I am to be convicted on the hearsay evidence of this
man.
The Lord Mayor said he was not aware that the witness
said anything against him.
Mr. Goodman, the clerk, explained to the prisoner
state in which the case stood. the
in.
By Mr. Pater—Witness had seen Buncher at his shop
when he and Burnett called, but witness never went
s the wife of
Mrs. Eliza Cleft, examined, said she waenerineers, of
Wm. Cleft, storekeeper to Messrs Penn, s
Greenwich. At the end of August last Newcrosswas.residing Fredk.
h
with her husband at 32, Railway-grove,
came to call upon
Campbell and his wife resided therert at the same time.
About that time a person now in She pointed,
eoucher. (
Campbell. It was the prisoner Bultic_ ,
pa h a Parliamentary
amidst much laughter, to Mr' —when asked to identify
agent, who happened to be presentl
to stand down.)
Buncher, and was immediately orderedumstance which had just
Mr. Pater requested that the circumstance
minutes, and that the
occurred should be placed upon
gentleman pointed at should come forward, and his name
be taken down. circumstance would be noted,
The Lord Mayor said the pointed at to come
but he could not call upon the gentleman
forward. (Laughter.)t on the 6th of September last he
John Moss eaid that
house at New-cross, and found
went to the last witness's
her husband, and a person of the
her residing there and his wife. Two other officers, Smith
of Campbell .
him. It name
nworapanted was shortly after five
and Baker, —went there. They first ofall
when he
o'clock
bricks from a party wall, and made a hole through from
to the back. They front parlour hung a light picture
thefront .
over the hole in the
They remained there
till half-past one. Mrs. Campbell came to witness in the
back parlour, and in consequence of what she said ho went
upstairs and looked out from the back window. He saw
two men waiting in the Napier-road. From what he had
since ascertained one of them was the prisoner Buncher.
lie recognised him by his '
voice, as he afterwards heard them
speaking inside the house. He now knew that Buncher
lived at Strutton-ground, d llll , `Westminster, and that he is a
butcher. About a quarter before three o'clock he heard
a knock at the door, and some one asked for Mrs.
Campbell. The reply was " Yes." Mrs. Campbell
was then called downstairs. The person, he believed
to be Buncher, said, " Good day ; are you prepared
to-day." Mrs. Campbell said " Yes." Buncher said, "How
much," Mrs. Campbell said "Fifty." Buncher said "That's
no good ; I wanted £2OO, as promised on Wednesday."
Mrs. Campbell asked how much he had got, and he said he
had ten fifties. Mrs. Campbell asked if he had any gold,
and he said, " Not today, but let me see the money first;
business is business. I wanted £2OO, as promised at the
beginning of the week." Mrs. Campbell said she had not
got so much. Bundler said," Let me see what you have got?"
111r8, Campbell said how much have you got, and be said be

- -
Turkeys, 4s Od to 88 Od ; geese, 4s Od to 8s Od each ;
goslings, Os Od to Os Od ; ducks, is 6d to 3e Od ; ducklings,
Os ()d to Os Od; rabbits, is to 2s Od each; wild do., lOci
to is 2d ; pigeons, 4d to 7d each ; large Styli-0y fowls,
4s Od to 8s Od ; chickens, 3s 6d to 7s Od; barn-door fowls,
3s Od to 5s Od ; capons, Os Od ; hares, 3s 6d to 4s Od ;
grorse, 3s Od to 3s 6d each ; pheasants, 3s Od to 4s Od ;
partridges, is 6d to 2s 6d ; woodcocks, Os Od to Os ; snipes, la
Od to Os; teal, 03 8d to Os Oil • wild duckr Os Od to Os Od ;
widgeons, is 3d to is 6d; plovers, Os 8d to Os 9.1 each;
guinea fowls, Os Od to Os Od ; roasting pigs, 6s Od to 8s Od
each; 'Ostend fresh butter, lld to is Id ; English, le ld
to is 43 per lb ; English eggs, We Od to Ile Od ; French do.,
8s Od to 9s Od per 120 ; leverets, Os Od to Os Od each.

BILLING SGATE.
Salmon, Os Od to Os Od ; trout, Od to Os ; eels, 8d to Is ;
prawns, Os to Os ; pike, skate, sturgeon, and halibut, 6d per
lb. ; turbots, 3s Od to 20s ; cod, 2s 6d to 20s Od ; brills 3s Od
to lOs Od ; dorevs, 33 Od to 1230 d ; mullets, Os Gd to 2s 6d ;
lobsters, 6d. to 3s Od ; crabs, Gd to Os Od ; plaice and garnets,
11 to is Od each; soles, is to 3s 6d per pair ; common
oysters, Ws to 20s ; natives, 48s to 50s per bushel; wYtings,
4s Od to 10s; haddocks, 5s to 15s ; smelts, Os Od to is 6d;
flounders, Os Od per dozen ; mackerel, 508 per 12a ; fresh
herrings, 6s per 100 ; bloaters, Ss to Os per 100 ; carp and
touch, 0s Od to Os per brace.