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admiral alluded took place at Buenos Ayres. It appeared
that Lieut. Johnson heard screams issuing from a house
which he was passing, and on entering the establishment
he found two men in mortal conflict. lie im ned'ately in-
terfered, and wrenched a pistol from one of the men. Some
watchmen then came in, and seeing a man wounded, and
another standing near him, they seiz3d Lieut. Johnson,
beat him severely, and carried him off to p risen. A complaint
was at once made to the Argentine Government, who ad-
mitted that a gross assault had been perpetrated, and
expressed their regret at the occurrence.

UNIVERSITY EDUCATION (IRELAND).
The O'DONOGHITE moved an humble address to the
Queen, respecting that conscientious objections to the pre-
sent system of university education in Ireland prevented a
large number of her Majesty's subjects from enjoying the
advantages of university education, and praying that such
steps might be taken as would remove this grievance. The
hon. member observed that the Roman Catholics of Ireland
numbered four millions and a half, yet they had no uni-
versity of their own, or any institution for education of a
high order. Their position in this respect was, indeed, one
of grievous inferiority ; but they had no desire to deprive
their Protestant countrymen of the advantages they en-
joyed. They only asked to be placed -upon a footing of
equality with their fellow subjects in England, and their
follow subjects and co-religionists in the colonies. At pre-
sent there were only two great educational institutions in
Ireland—the one being Trinity College, Dublin, the other
the Queen's University. But the former was restricted to
the education of Protestants, and the latter had turned out
a lamentable failure ; for at Belfast it was only of use to the
Presbyterians, and at Galway and Cork it merely supplied
a third-rate medical education. He called upon the house,
then, to respect the rights of conscience, and to remove
disabilities which were at once injurious to the Roman
Catholics, a blot upon the reputation of England, and un-
worthy the generous and enlightened spirit that had
governed the legislation of modern times.
Mr. BAGWELL secondOd the motion.

Sir G. GREY complimented The O'Donoghue upon the
moderate tone which ran through his speech, and expressed
the readiness of the Government to assist in remedying any
well proved grievance of any portion of her Majesty's sub-
jects. With regard to the Queen's Colleges, the object of
their establishment was to afford the best secular education
irrespective of distinctive religious creeds, means being
provided, however, for the voluntary instruction in reli-
gion of the students ; thus bringing together young men
of different creeds, who had previously been separated by
strong animosities, in honourable rivalry and emulation.
He regretted the decided opposition which those colleges
had received from the Roman Catholic hierarchy, and that
some Protestants also looked upon them with distrust,
because the system was an enlightened one, that was cal-
culated to confer very great benefit on Ireland ; and he
thought the hon. member had considerably exaggerated its
failure. To grant a charter for a Roman Catholic univer-
sity, with power to confer degrees, was objectionable on the
ground that by multiplying these bodies they ran the risk
of having different standards and that the degrees would
lose their value. The best course would, in his judgment,
be to enlarge the powers of the Queen's University, amend
its charter so as to remove the restriction which now pre-
vented it from granting degrees to any students but those
who had passed through one of its colleges, and so place it
upon the same footing as the University of London.

Mr. WHITESIDE believed that if the views of the
mover of the resolution were carried into effect, it would
reverse the whole policy advocated by the late Sir Robert
Peel, Sir J. Graham, and every person who sat on the
Treasury bench for the last 15 or 20 years. There was no
doubt that the Queen's Colleges were condemned by the
head of the Roman Catholic Church is Ireland, Dr. Cullen ;
but before they were founded as eminent and learned a
man as ho, namely, Dr. Crony, the Roman Catholic Primate
of Ireland, endeavoured to persuade the commissioners,
when they were in search of a site, to establish a college at
Armagh, on the ground that it would prove most useful
and beneficial to the Roman Catholics. Disguise it as they
might the motion pointed clearly to a charter for a Roman
Catholic college ; but as sure as that charter was granted
so sure would the threat uttered by the Archbishop Legate
be fulfilled. The sacraments of the Church would be with-
held from all who sent their children to any other than to
that college, which would then be completely under his
control. The object of the motion was, in short, to separate
the youth of Ireland into two classes ; the Protestants
would be sent to the University of Dublin, and the Roman
Catholics to the newly chartered college. Believing, there-
fore, that it would introduce a dangerous principle he
should vote against the motion.
Mr. MONSELL accepted the compromise offered on be-
half of the Government.

Mr. HENNESSY supported the motion, and expressed
dissent from the view taken by Mr. Mousell.
The motion was supported by LordDusKELLis, and Mr.
O'REILLY, whilst approving of the principles of the motion,
was, nevertheless, -willing to accept the proposal of the
Government.
Mr. NEWDEGATE was amazed at the announcement
made by the Home Secretary, that the Government were
in favour of establishing a Roman Catholic University in
Ireland: If they really entertained that intention he hoped
they would furnish the house with the details of the ar-
rangement which they contemplated, for if concession was
inevitable the house ought at least to know what was to be
conceded. He apprehended that it would only lead to
further demands.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the hon.
member had .put an erroneous construction upon the speech
of Sir G. Grey, who had distinctly stated that the Govern-
ment did not intend to charter a Catholic university. All
they proposed to do was to remove a positive disability on
account of religious opinions under which Roman Catholics
laboured; and he denied that the Queen's Colleges were
founded as a perfect system. On the contrary, the late Sir
R. Peel had brought them forward as an experiment, and
justified the step by the peculiar and unfortunate character
of the religious differences which existed in Ireland. The
proposition glanced at by his right hon. friend would
simply place the Roman Catholics of Ireland in the same
position of facility and advantage with regard to academical
degrees as that in which the Roman Catholics of -England
had been placed for many years, without exciting
alarm or dissatisfaction or doing injury to their Protestant
fellow-subjects.

Mr. HENLEY expressed ahope that the scheme sketched
out by the Government would be well-considered, in order
to see whether it would meet an acknowledged want. He
rejoiced at the probability of the denominational system.
Mixed education meant education without religion, and he
hoped the day would come when the mixed system would
be swept away altogether.
Sir G. BOWYER regarded the proposal of the Govern-
ment as a step in the right direction ; but argued that as a
Catholic country Ireland was entitled to have a Catholic
university of her ovrn. Ni other system would give satis-
faction to the bishops and clergy of that Church.
Mr. Moore (Tipperary), Mr. Btacpoole, Dr. Brady, and
Mr. Lefroy also took part in the debate.
The O'DONOGHIJE, in reply, admitted that the scheme
indicated by the Government, if properly developed, might
be worthy of consideration, and, thanking them for the
candid manner in which they had met, his motion, he con-
sented to its withdrawal.
SECRET SERVICE MONEY.

Mr. D. GRIFFITH moved for a return of the sums
which had been paid out of the secret service money by
the Treasury to each of the Secretaries of State on his
declaration in each year during the last ten years, together
with the amount of the balance of such secret service money
remaining in the hands of any department of the Govern-
ment at the end of the year. He observed that he did not
wish to know anything about the appropriation of the vote,
which amounted to £32,000, but that it had come to his
knowledge that the greater portion of it passed through
the hands of the Foreign Secretary.
Mr. VANCE seconded the motion, and urged that in
these days of frank and honourable diplomacy the vote
should disappear altogether from the estimates.
Mr. F. PEEL replied that the financial accounts would
show the balance of the vote which remained in the Ex-
chequer year by year, and that with regard to its principle
they either should have secrecy in its application, or have
no grant at all. The law which governed its application
was the bill of 1782, which was drawn by Mr. Burke him-
self, and they had the declaration of the Secretary of State
that the provisions of that law were strictly observed.
Mr. D. GRIFFITH having submitted that there was no
analogy between the circumstances of 1782 and those of
the present time,
The house divided—

Ayes lB
Noes 45

Majority against the motion
BANK NOTES ISSUE (SCOTLAND).

Upon the motion of Mr. BLACKBURN, and in com-
mittee of the whole house, the chairman was directed to
move the house that leave be given to bring in a bill to
amend the laiv relative to the issue of bank-notes in
Scotland.

COMPOUND SPIRITS WAREHOUSING.
Upon the motion of Mr. F. PEEL, in committee of the
whole house, the chairman was directed to move the house
that leave be given to bring in a bill to permit the ware-
housing of compound spirits.
The Local Government Supplemental (No. 5) Bill was
read a second time ; and the Salmon Fishery Act (1861)
Amendment Bill, as amended, was considered.