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w ere pani) although they had been paid it the course
of the'yeaf: Some that'wete paid on specific Waie.
taut, might be stated in pint of dates, but the
others could not : In, a. Word) the account of these
menthe, inclUdinglhe particularities of dates;
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amounts of -these varibus Bills of -kxcliarige; could
be.had only Ley producing the Bills themselves) and
that) he apprehended) the Honk would never sake
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ought. to be given. He ought not.to be suffered to
say.; that it ought not to be given if alehouse or-
dered it ; but he was submitting to the-I-taus& rea-
sons) why no such thing ought to be ordered. • The
whole sum stated in the Account which had,been
fonndlatilt with, had been paid within the period
stated in the account; and if there was a deficiency in
this account; he desired leave to take the, whole fault
of it Jrpon „himself, if there seas any fault, for' he di-
rettathe Accounts to be so stated--so far withtespett
to the Army Extraordinaries. Now, he COetended,
that if the eondutt of his Right Hon. FriencilMr.
Pere) 'was, fairly and .correttly stated, the House
would see a degree of accuracy that would be
from in all his statements. 'This arose an
anxious desire of his Right Hon. Friend to prepare
every thing he had to submit with all the accuracy
of which the thing was capable- and when at the
end of a Session his Hon. Friend had found the'EXe
penditure more than the Estimate, he had .alWays
come for Ward in a manly manner, ,and stated the
feel to be so, and asked. for whatever more Supply
was wanted. His Right Hon. Friend had stated
the Vote of Credit he wanted of soo,oool. for Eng.
land, and 300,0001. for Ireland.—What he had in
his contemplation then, Mr. STEELE said, he did
not know ; it was true his Right Hon. Friend had
said, that Subsidies rto Foreign Princes were poi
then in his contemplation : by which, however, he
must be taken to mean, that of .§uhsjdies to the
Ester:age, the ELECTOR of BAVARIA, or 'to
some Power with whom we were under some
Treaty, or some recent ,Engagement. He did not
say any thing against the advance of this sum,
ofemoney to Portugal, if the House should au-
thorize the issue of it by a Vote of Credit. Here
he went over the Statements of-Ar..ADDINGTO'N,
and approved of them tor their accueacy,
the subject of tl.,e Vote of Credit,' he Said, it w:ts a
measure adopted_ by the Hoose on-a Statement-_ of
the exigency of aflaits, Which was the- 6ml:course;
There were many instances of-applying the Vote of
Credit to the'Serviee 'of ..the•'. Army and Ordnance :
there was always a -hope'that the whole of a Vote
of Credit might not be wanted ; .but it was yonel
in case it might .be: absolutely' necessary: • Now, •if
only 1,600,0001. was wanted for .the-'Navy, , and
the rest of this Vote 'of Supply. should, during
the Recess, .he .applied 'to' the Army, he appre-
hended no Member of than 'House would say
that. Ministers had miseondneted themSelres in this
matter, or (misapplied the' ,Vore of the -House:.
If any thing should Arise during the recess which
should make it necessary -to 'apply part' of this
money to- the ArMyi Ministers'..were.not,to bccon-
sidered as being debarred friatn so,deitig. This he
took to be the true.nature of a Vote. of -Credit: The.
Hause would not tie down the 'application • ,of. the
money to- any: particular service, 'to, -the- absolute,
eXcluston of the rest, for it was the essence of a
Vote of Credit to provide money against exigencies
thar were uncertain, and it( was impossible to state
before:hand, to what service-that was to apply.
Sir ANDRE' HA MMONa followed Mr.
STEELE on the 'same ground, and specified the Items
in which the modern mode of making,up the -Navy
Accounts were superior to those-that were made in
flintier times, particularly in .the adoption of the
plan of issuing Exchequer 13ills of 90 days only, by
which the enormous discount of between re and tb
per Cent, had 'been put an' end to, and Which was
one of the'causes of the pres'ent itpplication, for in
former times large sums of money might be laid
oat on the. strength of 'Exchequer Bills, With the
danger of their beieg at a discount, but now that
Would not take place without a 'previous. applica-
tion to Parlianient. ' , •
Mi. GREY took, a
.view all'rthe observations.
of the Hon.' Baronet, and differed from him in-con-
clusion e he took a view also of what .was said by
Mr: 'STE ILE, from whom he 'differed also. He ad-
mitted
that Some alloWance was due when there was
inaccuracy -in Public Accounts, but that was to have
its limits, 'and the inaccuracies,ip the Estimates of
the lete CliMiCEleeott of -the Kkeo EQU '
heyOnd seeh limits. He said, that rhe.Ciseeeree--
LOR of tii he EXCEUPIt might elweys have in;"
tended' to be correct_ in 'Estimatesi hut,
contended, -that whntevt r Irk intentions were, no.
nem was ever rhore unfortUriate in the feels, as
events had followed his Estimates or his Predidions.
Every",subjett of fair cakelatione :ought to, hive-
been male rntatter tifestimate.—He' perceived' in
the 'lilt. of Army Extraordinaries-whieh 'bead been
laid berme the House; 'the pay of Officers included.
Site thisessis' an article which -cola bee- hen
foreseen. There was also, the chargo'd 60001. for
'Trumpeters to the. Life' Guards IrPm Ole:Year 1-7399
which ought to have been regularly included in' thee,
EStimates for that year : There, were. various other
instances of charge to which the same objetion
,Might apply. NotWitbstandiog what the ',Right
Hoe. Gentleman Sect Le) had Stated,', his
opinion was,
.that the dates ought 'always to be-
'given in :.the accounts of Army Extraorditedies
presented to the:House ; and he also Must .condemn
all WiteS of Credit, which-eon some OccaSions hod -
been proposed end yotedfor past services.-Estirnates
Au- the 'Nov.) Suppliei, 'which could be'calculated.
ef6l4lantt, :ought to be produced, :old.- the stuns,
‘ought behVorCd in consequence of such istbratee,'
and not by Vote of Credit.
Mi.-:•ADP/NGTON generally reinarked,• with
regardtbthe' sum proposed in the Vote. of Credit,•
that though it' could not be reduced to any thing
likeirl'ttecuritte estimate, yet it was proposed upon
. .
the'best calculation of existing circumstance-se- •Un-
'doubtedly, he koked 'to. the possibility of a re-
turn of Peace, or to the, probabilital of the tErfili..
dation of hostilities with the Northern Powers, such
• event's would be accompanied With
.some diminution
bt'expente,:and redUce the expenditure within the
asnount calculated.
rhe'SECRETARY at WAR-informed the. Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. GREY) that he would make. inquiry
7 .theicharge- for Trumpeters had not been made
sooner. ,