The Sun.
London, England, 1862-06-04 00:00:00

CHINA.

Mr. WHITE gave notice that on the 24th inst., he
would call the attention of the house to the state of China.
TELEGRAPHIC AND RAILWAY COMMUNICA-
TION WITH INDIA AND TURKEY.

Mr. J. E WART asked the Secretary of State for India
whether any proposition had been made to the India Coun-

cil to aid the establishment of a line of telegraph between
Singapore and India, and if so, what was the general nature
of that proposition ?
Colonel STUART asked the Under Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs whether an agreement was entered into in
1858, between the Governments of Turkey and this coun-
try (or of India), for the construction of a line of telegraph
from Scutari to Bagdad by the Turkish Government ;
whether it was not also agreed between the contracting
parties that, on the completion of the telegraphic commu-
nication between Scutari and Bagdad, a lino of telegraph
should be laid down from Bagdad to Kurrachee by the Go-
vernment of this country or of India;- whether it was not
the fact that the line from Scutari to Bagdad was completed,
surveyed, and reported on as fit for use by a British
officer, in December, 1860 ; and, whether it was not also the
fact that no steps have since been taken by the Government
of this country (or India) to continue the line of telegraph
from Bagdad to Kurrachee, in accordance with the agree-
ment of 1858?

Sir C. WOOD said with respect to the first question, the
Sultan had been communicated with on the subject, and it
was considered by the Government that the telegraph
communication between the places indicated would not be
of such importance to India as to justify its being estab-
lished. With respect to the other questions, he thought the
Government was bound to complete the line from Scutari
to Bagdad.
MERCHANT SHIPPING ACT.

In reply to Mr. HoDsoN,
Mr. M, GIBSON said that he hoped to be able to make
arrangements to proceed with this bill shortly after the
Whitsuntide recess.
THE PUBLIC EXPENDITURE.—THE MOTION

AND AMENDMENTS.
Lord PALMERSTON, in moving that the house at its
rising do adjourn until Thursday, said he would avail him-
self of this opportunity to make a statement as to the
present state of the business of the house. Up to
yesterday her Majesty's Government had reason to believe
the question which the house would have to deliberate upon
this evening was one relating to the economy which should
be exercised in the expenditure of the country con-
sistently with the efficiency of the public service.
(Hoar, hear.) But a notice had been given last night by
the hon. and learned member opposite (Mr. Walpole)
which entirely altered the issue to be taken. The question
to be decided now whether the gentlemen on the
Ministerial benches on the opposite side of the house were
the better entitled to the confidence of the house. (Hear,
hear, and cheers from the Ministerial benches.) He ar-
rived at that conclusion from the form in which the hon.
gentleman (Mr. Walpole's) amendment was framed, from
the side of the house from which it emanated, and from the
political meeting which had recently taken place of mem-
bers of the other side of the house. from which it emanated.
Ho thought that the best course the house could pur-
sue would be at came to proceed to the discussion of the
real question raised, as to which party was the best
entitled to the confidence of the house. (Loud
cheers from the Ministerial benches.) He trusted, therefore,
that the noble member for Huntingdonshire (Lord R.Mon-
tagu) and the other hon. members who had amendments on
the motion proposed by the hon. member opposite (Mr.
Stansfeld) would withdraw them. (Hear, hear, and cries
of " No, no.")
Lord R. MONTAGU said that he did not place his
in thempenubal
amendment on the paper from any hostile feeling to the
Government, but from a sincere desire to promote economy
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on which the motion and amendments were founded should
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sition benches,)
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Mr. HOItSMANh
withdraw his amendment if
other hon. members would
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ty's Government. He considered thatpheeed hasl taken a very
erroneous line of action, and he had la
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the opinions which seemed to animate all parts of the
house; and declared that it was not only the duty of the
Government to study and practise economy in the public
service, but that it was also an obligation resting on the
house not to lose sight of its duty to provide adequately for
the defences of the country and the maintenance of our im-
portant interests abroad. Turning then to Mr. Walpole's
amendment, the noble lord observed that according to the
right hon. gentleman there was not much material diffe-
rence between it and the proposal of the Government.
Why, then, move it at all ? The truth was that "the wound
was great because it was 50 small." In other words, the
difference was great because it was so small; and there was
no disguising the fact that the right hon. gentleman
spurned the amendment of the Government and peremp-
torily told them to adopt his own instead, from a desire to

impose a degradation upon the Government. He objected
to that amendment, then, because it implied coercion in
place of free action, and was a palpable attempt o make the
Government " swallow the leek." If it were agreed to the
result would be such as the house might naturally suppose
would follow. In conclusion, the noble lord said that if the

Opposition wished to express distrust in the Government
let them do it fairly, manfully, and with a direct accusation
and affirmation. He then moved, by way of amendment on
Mr. Stansfeld's motion, " That this house, deeply im-
pressed with the necessity of economy in every department
of the State, is at the same time mindful of its obligation to

provide for the security of the country at home and the pro-
tection of its interests abroad—that this house observes with

satisfaction the decrease which has already been effected in
the national expenditure, and trusts that such further dimi-
nution may be made therein as the future state of things
may warrant."
Mr. DISRAELI remarked on the studious omission

from Lord Palmcrston's speech of all reference to the pre-
sent condition of our finances, and said he apprehended
that it was the condition of the public finances de-
scribed by the Government as unhealthy, and believed
by the Parliament and people as dangerous, that
had brought somewhat suddenly but earnestly the conside-
ration both of Parliament and the people to the expenditure
of the country. If he looked at the defences of the country
at home and abroad, he believed it was impossible for any
country to be more secure than England was at this mo-
ment ; and that she should be in danger of a midnight foray
from a "cordial ally" was a monstrous absurdity. But the
real cause of England's influence, after all, was the circum-
stance that she was the only country which, when she en-
tered into a quarrel that she believed to be just, never
ceased her efforts until sh 9 had accomplished her aim.
What enabled her to do this ? Her determination, sup-
ported by her financial resources, which enabled her to
maintain a struggle for more than two or three campaigns,
whenever she had a worthy object to attain, The conclu-
sion at which he arrived, then, was that we were entering
into a heavy expenditure for naval and military purposes
which were not necessary for the security of our shores or
the maintenance of our interests and influence abroad.
There was nothing in the state of Europe that justified ex•
tra vagant and extraordinary armaments. Italian unity he
left to the care of the noble lord. Words enough he had
given the Italians; what more ho had given them none
knew better than the Italians themselves. Europe was
tranquil, because she was exhausted. Where was Austrian
finance ?—Where Russian P What was the condition even
of that Imperial France, which was thrcwn before our face
as a bugbear on every occasion P In these circumstances
it was for England to remember that the chief source of her
influence in Europe was the consciousness in every court of
Europe that, when the struggle came, it was not the first,
second, or third campaign that daunted her ; but, proud in
the elasticity of her inexhaustible riches, her industry, and
her freedom, she could enter into a contest from which
she would never swerve, and in which she had ever been
the victor. These, then, were times for economy, and
for a scrutinising revision of expenditure, because from
the state of our finances, we were forced to consider
the subject and face our condition, and because he believed
that revision could be made with a view to retrenchment,
without in the least degree impairing or compromising
either our defences at home or our influence and interests
abroad. The necessity for a reduction of expenditure was
also evidenced by the sufferings prevailing in the country,
as indicated by the returns of the Board of Trade. Passing
than to the resolution of Mr Stansfeld, the right hon. gen-
tleman described it as high sounding, little meaning, and
unsatisfactorily expressed. To all intents and purposes,
however, it implied a want of confidence; and he contended
that no person had a right to propose such a motion who
was not prepared to undertake the responsibility of turning
out the Government. Ho was not, therefore, prepared to
vote want ef confidence in the Government, following a
gentleman who was not in a position to bear the conse-
quences of such a steps. With regard to the amendment of
Lord Palmerston, he thought it was quite unnecessary, and
that it would have been preferable to meet 'Lir. Stansfeld's
motion with a simple negative ; for the amendment had no
definite object, and shadowed forth no definite policy. The
object which it ought to have indicated was, that in the
present state of affairs, the first duty of the Minister was to
make such reductions as would equalise expenditure and
revenue; and the policy should be, as reductions were made
to diminish that war taxation which, resorted to in times of
peace, was sapping and wasting the financial reserve which
was the source of our influence with foreign nations, and
the best security for our interests abroad. Under these cir-
cumstances, he should have been glad to have had the op-
portunity of voting for the amendment of his right hon.
friend Mr. IV alpole ; but he was prevented from doing that
in consequence of the interpretation which the noble lord
had placed upon its language, the result of which was that
he was left in the position of those gentlemen who, on the
Derby-day, might find that a favourite had " bolted."
Mr. HORSMAN made a fierce onslaught on the peace
party and the Emperor of the French. He reviewed the
foreign policy of this country since the year 1853, and ex-
pressed his approval of the course pursued by Earl Russell,
since the annexation of Savoy. He believed that the in-
fluence which we enjoyed in the councils of Europe at this
moment was attributable mainly to the knowledge of our
material strength, and that as a mere question of trading
;19t 0 politics—there W? got tt exchange on the Conti-

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

EPSOM RACES, TUESDAY.

This meeting commenced much as usual, with a large
attendance in the Stand, but only a few people on the Hill,
destined to be so gay a scene to-day. The weather was far
from encouraging, the wind being cold and showers having
fallen at intervals until after three o'clock. Before the first

race of the day took place the betting on the Derby showed
an improvement in the Marquis, and a decline in the Stock-
well colt and Ensign, while Sir Joseph Hawley's horses
were in groat demand. On reaching the Downs we found
the running-ground in remarkably good order, and a few
unimportant stops taken in alterations about the weighing-

house. A temporary and inconvenient stand (without a
roof) had also been erected for trainers between the Grand
Stand and that known as Barnard's. In point of racing
we think everybody must have been satisfied, for large
fields went to the post for each of the races as they came on
for decision. A wonderful 2-yr-old made his first appear-
ance in the Woodcote Stakes, and was backed for next
year's Derby, immediately after winning, at the short price
of 12 to 1. The Rous Stakes produced a very beautiful
contest, and the clever victory of Buckenham in the Craven
made the friends of the Marquis more sanguine than ever,
and brought his stable companion Harlequin into the mar-
ket at 60 to 1.

The Craven Stakes of 10 sous each, with 50 soya added ;
for 3-yr. olds and upwards. Weights for age. The last
mile and a quarter of the new Derby course. 9 subs.
Mr. Savile's Buckenham, 3 yrs, 7st 71b (carried 7st 81b)
(Fordham) 1
Mr. T. Parr's Star of the West, 3 yrs, 7st 71b (Clement) 2
Lord -Uxbridge's Laughing Stock, 3 yrs, 7st 71b (carried
7st 91b)
The following also ran :—Wingrave, Sawcutter, Drag-
hound, My Mary, King of Hearts, and Rapparee.
Betting-2 to 1 agst Sawcutter, sto 1 agst Buckenham,
6 to 1 each agst Wingrave and Star of the West, 8 to 1 agst
King of Hearts, and 12 to 1 agst Rapparee.
Shortly after they had settled into their places Star of the
West, with Sawcutter and Draghound at his quarters,
made the running, followed by Wingrave, King of Hearts,
and Buckenham, the others lying off. Descending the hill
the lot closed up, and came round the turn in close corn-
pany,
Star of the West still leading, closely attended by
Sawcutter, Draghound, and Buckenham, At the road
Draghound was beaten, and his place was taken by Mr.
Savile's colt, followed by Laughing Stock, the four coming
on together to the Stand, where Sawcutter was disposed of ;
Buckenham at the same time joined Star of the West,
quitted him in a few strides, and won easily by a length
and a half, Star of the West defeating Laughing Stock by
a neck for second; Sawcutter finished a bad fourth,Win-
' grave fifth, King of Hearts sixth, and Rapparee.
The Brighton Stakes of 10 soya each, h ft, with 100 added
(handicap), for all ages, winners extra. Three-quarters
of a mile. 50 subs.
Mr. G. Lambert's Humphrey, 3 yrs, Est 41b (J. Doyle) 1
Mr. W. Day's Surbiton Hill, 3 yrs, Est (G. Noble) 2
Mr. Quartermaine'a Grey Hen, 4 yrs, 6st 111 b
(W. Johnson) 3

The following also ran :—High Treason, Lord of the
Manor, Copernicus, Neophyte, Touch-me-Not, Nemesis,
Lava, Overton, Queen of Spain, Jacintha, Sporting Life,
Innellan, Entremet, Spark, Express, Pellucid, Ace of
Trumps, Keane, Otho, Camperdown, Traveller, and Vene-
rator.
Betting-7 to 2 agat Humphrey, 11 to 2 agst Lava, 7to
1 agst Sporting Life, 8 to 1 agst Otho, 10 to 1 each agst
Nemesis and Entremet, 100 to 7 each agst Ace of Trumps
and Lord of the Manor, and 20 to 1 agst Surbiton Hill.
The start was delayed upwards of 25 minutes through
several of the horses breaking away. Copernicus, among
the rest, refusing to face the flag, reared up and came over
with Goator,who fortunately escaped without injury. When
the flag was lowered, the lot got away in such close company
that it.was extremely difficult to assign to either the lead
until they had run some distance, when Camperdown,
with Touch-me-Not, Nemesis, Lava, Innellan, Sporting
Life, and the favourite, was seen in front, the next lot
being headed by Surbiton-hill, Entremet, Keane, and Ja-
cintha, the rear division being whipped in by Copernicust
and Venerator. On entering the straight Touch-me-Nod
on the rails on the town side came on with a alightuleam,
followed in the centre of the course by Entrernoeot,t to Hum-
followed
Lava, Sporting Life, and the Gray II
hle-Not and
entrance of the stand enclosure, when
Sporting Life were beaten and droppeTZbuaeck the favou-
rite at the same time took the command, followed in a few
strides after by Surbiton-hill on the upper ground and the
the three finishing a close
Grey Hen colt on the lower side,
ga thew ;Lone ingd vae
race home, Humphrey holding hissawtnin
cleverly by a length, a head sep
third. Otho was fourth, Entremot fifth, Spark and Lava
next. The others were widely spread, the last lot being
High Treason, Express, Traveller, Copernicus, and Vene-
rator.
The Heathcote Plato of 50 sous, for all ages. Weights for
age; winners 51b extra. Half-a-mile.
Capt. Christie's Miss. Julia, aged, Bst ilb (Fordham) 1
Mr. W. Wilson's Carrncastle, 2 yrs, sst 121 b .. (Thomas) 2
Lord Stamford's Ellerton, 4 yrs, Bst 71b
(Edwards) 3
The following also ran :—Vesper, Hope filly, The Re-
serve, King of Italy, and Draff.
Betting—Even on Miss Julia, 7 to 2 agat Ellerton, 5 to
1 agst Hesper, and 12 to 1 agst any other.
Miss Julia, after giving some trouble at the post, got off
in front the moment the flag fell ; Hesper being left behind.
Cairncastle and King of Italy lay next to the favourite to
near the distance, where the King was beaten, and Eller-
ton took his place. The old mare then galloped home at
her ease, and won by a length and a-half, Ellerton being
a bad third. The rest were widely spread, Draff being
fourth, the dope filly fifth, King
of Italy sixth, and The
Reserve seventh.
The Woodcote Stakes of 10 soya each, with 100 added; for
2-yr-elda Colts stet 1011.), Ana fillies Set 711), Win for