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London, England, 1862-01-14 00:00:00

THI KIN, LONDON, TUESDAY "EVENING,

THE CASE OF MR. W. F. IFIEDIIA.2II.

The adjourned inquiry into the state of mind of
Mr. W. F. Windham, of Fellbrigg-hall, Norfolk,
was resumed yesterday, in the Westminster Ses-
sions-house, before Mr. Warren, Q.C., one of the
Masters in Lunacy, and a special jury.
Mr. M. Chambers, Q.C., Mr. Field, and Mr.
Hume Williams appeared for the petitioners; Mr.
Charles Russell for Lady Sophia Elizabeth
Giubilei, the mother of the alleged lunatic; Sir
Hugh Cairns, Q.C., Mr. Karslake, Q.C., and Mr.
Milward for Mr. William Frederick Windham;
and Mr. Coleridge, Q.C., for Mrs. Windham.
Yesterday was the 10th day of the defence, and
the 22d of the inquiry. A few days ago Mr. Kars-
lake gave the Court to understand that the evidence
for Mr. Windham would be finished last night, or
at furthest to-day. It is almost incredible, but the
statement is made in sober seriousness and on good
authority, that the examination of the remaining
witnesses will occupy at least ten days or a fortnight
from the present date. Several additional subpoenas
were issued so recently as Saturday last, and the
Master was required to sign ore or two more yes-
terday. Indeed, as matters are managed at present
there is no earthly reason why the Case should ever
come to an end at all. There is apparently an in-
tention to call before the Court every person who
ever talked for five minutes with Mr. Windham,

who ever sat in the room with him at dinner, who

(ever did business with him to the extent of a few
shillings, who ever enjoyed the privilege of seeing
h:m ride or drive or of hearing him sing or laugh, or
who ever had the pleasure of knowing his father or
paying his respects to Felbrigg-hall. Of course as
Mr. Windham has lived in the world for more than
21 years, and since 1858 has been constantly mov-
ing about from place to place, coming into contact
with immense numbers of people, the evidence of
his chance acquaintances must necessarily consume
a large amount of time, especially when each wit-
ness is subjected to a long cross-examination by tha
counsel engaged on the other side, After all, how-
ever, those who are responsible for the defence of
Mr. Windham may feel themselves bound, consi-
dering the kind of case which has been attempted
to be made out for the petitioners, to go into all

he events at d occurrences of his life, and in the
discharge of the difficult and critical duty which
they have to perform they are fairly entitled to a
reasonable amount of indulgence and forbearance.
No one could object to their bringing forward every
jot and tittle of evidence tending to establish the
soundness of mind of their client, but many who
witnessed the proceedings of yesterday must have
asked themselves the question, What, in the name
of all that Is wonderful, have the obscure
and uninteresting family squabbles of the Lewel-
lins to do with the sanity or insanity of Mr.
Windham ? At the present moment there are two
or three Lewellin cases pending before the police
authorities, and it is lather hard that Mr. Windham
and his relatives should have to pay the costs of an
investigation which is at once premature, superflu-
ous, and irrelevant. Somewhere about 130 wit-
nesses have already been examined, and if a sepa-
rate issue is to be raised upon the character, ante-
cedents, and domestic relations of each, the Windham
case may be prolonged until the alleged lunatic is
cold in his grave and his property has passed into
other hands. It is unnecessary to state that the
expenses of the inquiry are frightful. On the most
moderate computation the question of the sanity or
insanity of Mr. Windham cannot be decided at a
less cost than £60,000, and unless prompt and ener-

getic measures should be taken to keep the inquiry
within proper bounds the expenditure will be much
greater. Sir Hugh Cairns asserted, in his brilliant
speech for the defence, that the real question at
issue was the possession of the Windham estates.
That may be true in a sense different from that in
which he intended it, and the conclusion of the case
may find the Felbrigg property in the possession
neither of Mr. Windham nor of the petitioners, but
of their respective lawyers. It was once said by a
witty nobleman that timber was an excrescence
provided by nature for the payment of debts, and
the fine ornamental oaks, beeches, and sycamores of
Felbrigg may be destined to liquidate the expenses
of an action in lunacy. Surely, however, they may
be put to a better and more rational use ; nor can it
be absolutely necessary, in order to decide the
question whether Mr. Windham is a sane man or
an idiot, that he should be stripped of his property
and made a beggar.
Mr. G. Yonge, examined by Mr. Karslake, said
he was Mr. Windham's private tutor at Eton from
January to March, 1855, and lived in the same
house with him. Windham was in the middle re-
move of the fourth form, and did Ovid and Cornelius
Nepos in Latin, .zEsop and Farnaby in Greek, and
a few verses every week. He did his work like the
average of boys, but was not very studious. Witness
saw nothing in him which induced him to think he
was not of sound mind.
Cross-examined by Mr. Chambers—Windham,
though not particularly cleanly, was not dirtier than
the boys in the fourth form generally. Witness
never noticed the saliva flowing out of the sides of
his mouth, or heard that he was treated as a buffoon
by the other boys. He knew, however, that he
was called " Mad Windham," but did not know
how he came by that name.
By the Master—Witness did not see much of
Windham, except in the evening, when he assisted
him with his lessons for school.
By the Jury—Windham was always well supplied
with money, and witness was not aware that he ever
got into debt.
Mr. Ingram, examined by Mr. Milward, said he
was the French and mathematical master at Mr.
Westmacott's school, in Feltham. Mr. Windham
was there for about three years, beginning in 1850
or 1851. Witness taught him French, arithmetic,
and English. He did the same lessons as other
boys of his age, and he had an average capacity.
Cross-examined by Mr. Chambers—Windham
was rather good at French. He did not speak
the language fluently, but he was well up in
011endoif, and could translate like the other boys.
He did arithmetic very well, as far as fractions and
decimals. He was not the most brilliant boy
in school, but there were several worse. He was
not passionately fond of study, but he did as much
work as he was obliged to do. Upon the whole,
however, he did not profit so much by the instruc-
tion he received as some of the other boys, because
he was not as assduous as they were. He had
checked other boys as well as Windham for the
same reason.

Mr. Barnes, examined by Mr. Karslake, said he
was a wino merchant in Lincoln's-inn-fields. He
know Lewellin. That person was never connected
with him as a commission agent.
A discussion here took place as to whether evi-
dence could be adduced for the mere purpose of
discrediting a previous witness. Counsel were heard
on
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duced e Master, without
Mr. Karslake not to press the matter fur-
, ther. Mr. Barnes was accordingly told to stand
down.
Mr. J. Choard, examined by Mr. Milward, said
he was a clerk in the office of Mr. Chappel, solici-
tor, Golden-square. Last summer a suit was
brought in the County Court against Mr. Windham
by his groom. Mr. Windham was examined for 20
minutes, and gave his evidence reasonably and in-
telligently. The decision was in his favour. The
suit involved a question of accounts. Mr. Windham
discussed the items one by one, and those he ob-
jected to were disallowed.
Cross-examined by Mr. Chambers—Witness had
written no letters for Mr. Chappel in the matter of
this petition, but he had attended before the Lords
Justices on behalf of Lady Sophia. He never made
a proposal that Lady Sophia should join in the
petition. Mr. Lewellin accompanied Mr. Windham
to the County Court and took some part in the
proceedings.
Eliza Sophia Dignam, examined by Mr. Kars-
lake—l am a sister of Mrs. Lewellin, and was in
the habit of visiting her in Duke-street at the time
Mr. Windham was living there. The first visit I
made was in March, 1861, and I stayed till the
4th of Juno. I returned two days before Mr.
Windham was married. Occasionally I had gone
in the interval and stayed for a night. Afterwards
I usually visited my sister two or three times a
week. While I stayed with her I assisted in mak-
ing the beds every day, and I have waited upon Mr.
Windham at breakfast and luncheon. His conduct
towards me was most gentlemanly. I never saw
anything wrong with him, nor did I ever notice
anything unusual or peculiar in his bedroom. Mr.
Windham had a good appetite, but nothing exorbi-
tant. I have remained in the room and seen him
eat his breakfast. I have heard Mr. Windham sing
and whistle, but you could not call him noisy—
only merry. In October I went with Mrs. Lewellin
to the office of Mr. Field, the solicitor to the peti-\
tioners. I did not know the nature of her business.
A gentleman took down my sister's evidence. Gen.
Windham came in three minutes after wo had ar-
rived, and remained the whole time. I had seen
him in Duke-street—once before his nephew's mar-
riage, but a d-izen times after. The last time I saw
him there was on Col, Broughton's birthday, the
25th of October. Col. Broughton gave a dinner,
and his guests were Gen. Windham, Mr. Liberty,
the wine merchant, Mr. and Mrs. Lewellin, and
myself. We were in Mr. Field's office for an hour
and a half or two hours. I heard the statement
made by my sister, and to the best of my belief, it
was entirely false. After she had made it General
Windham thanked her, said he was highly delighted
with her, and extremely obliged to her. I left the
office with my sister. When we got outside I said,
" Oh, Augusta, what lies you have been telling!"
She replied, " Windham never did like me, I won-
der what he will think of me now. I have given it
him pretty strong, I think, and his lady-love too."
Nobody asked me to give evidence when I was in the
office. Mr. Field did not say in my presence that
he would not trouble me for my evidence—one wit-
ness would be enough. Gen. Windham said, refer-
ring to me, " This little woman would say what she
knows, but I have never asked her what it is ; she
is also very nervous, and I am afraid she would
break down in cross-examination." I havenot slept
in the house in Duke-street since that occasion. Up
to that time I did not remember having any quar-
rel with my sister.

Cross-examined by Mr. Chambers—Ono evening
ast summer I went to Cremorne-gardens, accom-
panied by two little girls, and a gentleman who
said his name was Roberts, and he lived in Picca-
dilly, offered to drive me home in his brougham. He
said, " Oh ! what pretty eyes you have ; I could see
them half a mile off." I replied, " What a pity
Simpson does not know it ; he might save his gas."
(A laugh.) Roberts stayed with me about five mi-
nutes and then went away. I have seen him with
his brougham in the street, but I never called at his
house in Piccadilly except once, when Mrs. Lewel-
lin took me there on business of her own. One of
the girls I had at Cremorne was about eight years
of age and the other about 14, The former was stay-
ing with me on a visit at the time, and the latter
was the daughter of a neighbour. I was then and
am now living in apartments in Pimlico, which had
been taken for me by my sister. She paid the rent
for some time, but she has long ceased to do so. I
have no income of my own, and am supported by
kind friends. I had a quarrel with the Lewellins
in 1860 about an I 0 U for £3O. I sued them in
the County Court and got the money. Some time
after I wrote a letter to Mr. Lewellin asking for-
giveness. I was then living with my brother Con-
way in Fulham-fields, and was very ill-off. It was
after that letter was written that my sister took
apartments for me and sent me to a finishing school.
Conway and I never made a disturbance in the

house in Duke-street. My brother often visits me.
I knew that ho was very ill-off last autumn, but I

was not aware that he begged in the streets. Ho'
came to the court with me to-day, for I am too
frightened to walk alone, as the Lewellins are
always after me.
Re-examined—They have followed me ever since
this trial began. I asked forgiveness from Mr.
Lewellin in 1860, because I had said things to him
in a passion which I ought not to have said, and I
wanted to be friends again. My sister has ad-
dressed many affectionate letters to me since,
Mr. Karsiake wished to put in these letters, but
Mr. Chambers objected, and, as they turned out to
be the same letters which the court refused to allow
Mrs. Lewellin to be examined upon some few weeks
ago, on the ground that they were quite irrelevant
to this inquiry, the objection was sustained.
Con way Dignam, examined by Mr. Milward—
lam a brother of Mrs. Lewellin. Some time ago I
met her in St. James's-street. She said to me, " Ah,
Conway, what are you doing P" I replied, " Nothing
at present." She said, "I know of a capital thing
for you. Did ever you hear of young Windham ?"
I replied, " I have a faint recollection of the name."
She said, " Well, his uncle the general is going to
bring him in mad, and if you would come forward
on the general's side and state this it would be the
making of you, and you would not require a situa-
tion." I replied, " How can you ask me to state
such a thing when you know I know nothing of
young Mr. Windham or the general either." She
said, " You know as much as most people. What I
shall want you to say is this, that you lived at D uke-
street as clerk, and waited upon Mr. Windham, and
had ample opportunities of seeing his conduct." I
replied, " I shall do such thing. How can you ask
me to come against a young man and put him in a
madhouse when I know nothing .7.1. all about him ?"
She said, " You are very foolish. It is the general
will have the money, not young Windham.
You don't think I am working for nothing, do you?"
I replied, " I shan't come and forswear myself in
any court for you or 20 generals. I would sooner
remain in my present position than injure a young
man I know nothing about." She said, "If you dont
comply with my wishes you may do what you like.
What does it signify if you do bring in young
Windham insane ? It will not injure you but be
the making of you." I then left her. I have seen
Mr. Windham walking, riding, and driving, but I do
not think I have ever spoken to;him in my life. My
sister did not know whether I was acquainted with
Mr. Windham or not. I have never been in her
house in Duke-street in my life, and, of course, I
never acted as clerk there.
Cross-examined by Mr. Chambers—l have been
living for about a week in Westminster-road, but do
not know the number. I am supported by my
friends. I am out of a situation, but am endeavour-
ing to get one every day. I have been out of a situa-
tion ever since my mother's death, about two years
ago. Before that event I was in several situations.
The last place I had was in Lime-street, where I
was head clerk to a general merchant, with a
salary of 15s. a week. (A laugh.) My mother
was a lady of independent means, and being the
youngest child I was selected as the one to stay
at home with her. I read, wrote, and rode with
her up to the time of her death. I have lately
earned some money by writing and copying, for
I am a moderate scholar, but not enough to keep
me. I have not worked upon any of the papers in
this case. Nobody asked me to give evidence. I
went myself to Mr. Gregory, the solicitor for Mr.
Windham. The conversation with my sister in St.
James's-street took place at the end of October. I
have corresponded with her since, asking her to
say to the police that I had lived with her for six
months, in order that I might be enabled to get a
conductor's licence. I never lived for six months
with her, but she had told me she would do what
she could to get me a situation, and would recom-
mend me anywhere for honesty, sobriety, and in-
dustry. She has not spoken to the police.
Re-examined—l have been so reduced that I
would be glad to accept the place of a conductor. I
have tried everything I could to get a situation, but
have failed. My sister did not answer my letter. I
went to Mr. Gregory voluntarily, in consequence of
a false statement made by Mrs. Lewellin about
Eliza Sophia, whom I know to be a good virtuous
young woman. I was not in Duke-street on Christ-
mas-day, and did not attempt to make a disturbance
there. I was at Brixton the whole of the day.
By the Jury—l got £6O at my mother's death,
and I have a sister in America who sends me a little
money occasionally. I got £3 from her by the last
mail. My mother had ample means, but they died
with her, I was in court when Mrs. Lewellin said
she had met me in the streets ragged and begging.
She gave me some clothes afterwards, including
those I now wear.
By the Master—The statement made by Mrs.
Lewellin when she was examined about the conver-
sation in St. James's-street was totally false. I have
taken out a summons against Mr. Lewellin for an
assault committed upon me in the Burlington-
arcade.

Mr. Mill, examined by Mr. Milward, said he was
the manager of the Crown Bank in Norwich, and
knew the Windham family. In 1860 Mr, Wind-
ham borrowed £2O from the bank. and in August
last year he opened an account. The first sum paid
into his credit was £9OB 4145., and the second and
last £l,OOO. From time to time he drew checks
k against the amounts paid to credit. Sometimes he
drew them in the banking-house. There was still
a small sum to his credit. Witness had no suspi-
cion that there was anything wrong with his mind.
He talked rationally and sensibly.
Cross-examined by Mr. Chambers—The balance
remaining to his credit was about £l7. His largest
check was for £3OO. One drawn in favour of Mr.
Bowen May was for £2OO, and was dated the 29th
of August, 18(31. Another, dated the sth of Novem•
ber, was drawn in favour of Mr. Barnes, a publican
in the Haymarket, and was for £l5 ss. A third
was dated Felbrigg, Oct. 27, 1861, and the sum
(Z 139) was payable to James Roberts. A fourth,
dated Oct. 28, was for £3OO, and was drawn in
favour of Mrs. Windham. On the back were writ-
ten the words, " In exchange for money, Agnes
Windham." Another check, drawn on the same
day, was also in favour of Mrs. Windham, the
amount being £157, and it was endorsed " J. P.
Davis." One dated Nov. 1, 1861, £lOO, was en-
dorsed on the back " Lawrence and Fry." There
were 24 checks in all. Witness had no private ac-
quaintance with Mr. Windham.
By Mr. Coleridge—The check endorsed " J. P.
Davis" was paid through the Bank of England.
Mr. Kemp, examined by Mr. Milward, said ho
was the proprietor of the Esplanade Baths at
Ryde, and he had a house adjoining, which he let
out to lodgers. Mr. Windham lodged with him in
April, 1860, for three weeks; and again in May,

1861, for nearly a fortnight. Ho was in the habit
of bathing every morning, and was particularly
cleanly in his rooms. Witness believed him to be
of sound mind.

Cross-examined—Mr. Windham was a very sober
man. What witness meant by his being particu-

larly clean in his rooms was, that ho used to fold
up his things and put them on a chair. He never
noticed anything peculiar about him.
Mrs. Kemp, the wife of the last witness, corrobo•
rated his evidence. She said Mr. Windham behaved
like a gentleman, and gave no trouble or annoyance
whatever.

By the Master—She had heard Mr. Horrocks
speak unkindly to Mr. Windham. They did not
seem to be on good terms. In 1861 the tutor was
Mr. Peatfield ; he agreed very well with his pupil.
Jean Souney said he was a waiter in the Hotel
Meurice, Rae de Rivoli, Paris. Mr. Windham came
there at midnight on the 31st of August last, accom-
panied by Mrs. Windham, her sister, and a man and
a maid servant. The party stayed 10 or 12 days.
They had a suite of apartments on the first floor,
and dined at the table d'hotc. Mr. Windham had
a bath every morning. There was nothing unusual
in the conduct of any of the family. They rode
about during the day and went to the theatre in the
evening, just the same as other people.

Cross-examined—Mr. Windham seemed to be very
fond of his wife, but she did not appear to care so
much for him.

Mr. Connor said he was a private tutor in Tor-
quay, and knew Mr. Windham, He had frequently

conversed with him, and thought him to be a per-
son of sound mind.

Cross-examined—He had seen Mr. Windham
only once since 1858. He never saw him acting as
a linkboy and lighting people to their carriages.
By the Master—The last time he saw Mr. Wind-
ham was on the 18th of last month. He met him
accidentally in Palace-yard, and said he supposed
it was an anxious time for him, and asked him how
ho thought the case was going on. Mr. Windham
replied that he was not making himself very miser-
able, and that he had no doubt about the result. He
seemed to be in good spirits.
The inquiry was again adjourned.
Yesterday the jury intimated in writing their
unanimous opinion to the Court that counsel should
not be present at their interview with Mr. Wind-
ham, but no final decision was come to on the
matter.

FORGBRY 01 RUSSIAN BANK-NOTES.

Yesterday, at the Justice-room of the Mansion-
house, before Mr. Alderman Mechi, who sat for the
Lord Mr yor, three foreigners, named respectively
Woolf Horwitz, 22 years of age, and described as of
4, Little Prescott-street, Goodman's-fields, commis-
sion agent; Cholm Reichberg, about 35, of 12,
Haberdasher-place, Hoxton, jeweller; and Abraham
Josephson, 32, of 28, Primrose-street, Bishopsgate,
travelling jeweller, were placed at the bar, in the
custody of James Brett, detective officer, harged
with being concerned in a systematic forgery in
this country of Russian rouble notes. They
were men of whom Inspector Hamilton, of the
city detective force, acting in concert with In-
spector Leonard, has been in quest for the last
three months, and their arrest is attributable
in the first instance to the receipt, on Thursday
last, by the Russian Minister here, of a telegram
announcing the capture at Brody, in Austria,
of two men, with a number of forged 10-rouble
notes in their possession, and documents compro-
mising one at least of the prisoners. The court was
crowded, and the case excited great interest.
Mr. Sleigh, instructed by Messrs. Oliverson,
Lavie, and Peachey, of Old Jewry, attended to con-
duct the prosecution. Mr. M'D3nnell, barrister, de-
fended Harwitz and Reichberg ; and Mr. Hope, of
Ely-place, the prisoner Josephson.
Mr. Sleigh, addressing the Court, said he at-
tended on behalf of the Russian Government to pro-
secute the three prisoners on a charge of forgery,
under circumstances which he should briefly relate.
The Court would be aware that, by a clause of an
Act of Parliament which was re-enacted in the Act
of last session for consolidating the statutes relating
to forgery, it was provided, inter alia, that whoso-
ever, without lawful authority or excuse, should en-
grave, or in any wise make upon any plate or other
material, any bill of exchange, promissory note, &c.
for payment of money, in whatever language, relat-
ing to any foreign Prince or State, or should use cr
knowingly have in his possession any plate or other
material upon which any such bill or note should
be engraved, should be deemed guilty of felony,
and on conviction liable to penal servitude for not
more than 14 years and not less than three, or im-
prisonment for not more than two years, with or
-without hard labour, and with or without solitary
confinement. He had to charge the prisoners, under
that statute, with forging and having in their pos-
session plates for the manufacture of notes of
the Russian Empire, of the denomination of five
roubles and ten roubles. For some time past
it had been well known to the authorities in
this country of the Russian Government
that the manufacture of notes of the Empire had
been extensively carried on here, and some persons
who had been detected in the act had been prose-
cuted and punished. The manufacture had not
only been practised by persons in this country, but
abroad, and the notes fabricated here had been
transmitted to Russia for circulation. He should
on a future occasion be able to satisfy the Court be-
yond all doubt that the prisoners had been con-
cerned in a very clever scheme for the manufacture
of plates for striking off Russian notes in this coun-
try, and that their proceedings had been charac-
terized by great skill and ingenuity. "The prisoners
had made their appearance, together or separately,
at the premises of different persons skilled in cop-
per-plate printing whom he should call as wit-
nesses, and to whom the public were much in-
debted for the manner in which they had conducted
themselves in this matter, He should call engra-
vers from various parts of the metropolis, who
would tell the Court that the prisoners had em-
ployed them to make one portion or another of a
plate for the production of a rouble note, and that
after the plate had been so prepared the prisoners
had taken it to other persons to have proof impres-
sions struck from it. He should also show that
where no proof was struck off they would not even
allow the " make-up sheet," as it was technically
called, to remain with the person striking it off.
The agents of the Russian Government in this
country had had their eye upon the prisoners for
some time past, but it was not until Saturday that
two of them were taken into custody. On one or
other of them were found rouble notes and portions
of such notes, with papers showing a guilty know-
ledge ; but, for the present, he should content him-
self with putting in evidence the circumstances
under which they had been arrested.
As only two of the prisoners could speak Eng-
lish, and that imperfectly, the subjoined evidence
was interpreted to them by Dr. Rehorst.
George Scott, a detective officer,—About half-
past 9 o'clock on Saturday evening, I was in com-
pany with Brett and Legg, two other officers in the
Minories, where we saw the prisoners Harwitz
and Reichberg together. We took them into cus-
tody, and charged them with forging Russian
rouble notes. On searching Harwitz at the police
station I found in his trousers pockets a package
of type and a quantity of foreign correspondence ;
both of which I produce. Yesterday (Sunday),
about 2 o'clock, I went, in companywith Brett and
Legg, to 28, Primrose-street, Bishopsgate, where I
saw the prisoner Josephson standing at the street
door. I told him we were police-officers and wished
to speak to him. He took us upstairs to a room on
the first floor. Telling him we had some questions
to ask, and that the answers he gave might be made
evidence against him, I asked if :he knew a man
named Reichberg, residing at 12, Haberdasher-
place, Hoxton. He said he did. I inquired if he
had done any business with him. He replied he
had. I asked him what business. He said he was
a diamond-setter, and had done various things for
him in his trade. I asked him if he (Josephson)
had got any copper or zinc plates engraved for
Reichberg. He said—" No, never." 1 then said
we must search his place. He replied—" Oh,
search anywhere you please. By the by (he added)
I must tell you, about three months ago I was at
Liverpool, where I met a man named Mercer, who
asked me my name and address, which I gave him.
Mercer, producing an engraving on metal, asked
me if I could get it engraved on a copper plate. I
said, I will try,' and brought it to London." He
added that Mercer also gave him an engraved cop-
perplate as a pattern for that which he wished to
be done. He (Josephson) then fetched the copper-
plate I produce from a cupboard from below some

Papers.- [This plate had on it an engine-turned
engraving of the ornamental part of a Russian
rouble note.] I had just before asked him where
that plate was. He said, "Oh, it is here" (point-
ing to the cupboard); "he has not got it; I have
sent him a proof on paper from it to the post-office
at Liverpool." He did not produce the plate until
I had asked him for it. I inquired where the en-
graved copperplate which be had brought from
Liverpool was. He said he had sent it back again,
and had never seen Mr. Mercer since. The plate
produced is that which he got done in London-wall.
I took him to the police station and charged him.
I found on him some papers, which I produce. I
may also state that we went to 12, Haberdasher-
place, and to 6, Bevingden-street, both of which
are occupied by the prisoner Rcichberg. At Haber-
dasher-place I found a great many engraving tools,
a galvanic battery, some colouring matter, and a
number of papers, which I have locked up. In a
cellar or underground kitchen at 6, Bevingden-
street, where Reichberg works, I found a lithogra-
phic printing press. He sleeps at Haberdasher-
place. I have not yet completed my search of the
place in Bevingden-street. If a remand be granted
I believe further evidence will be forthcoming.
Mr. Heard, a gentleman from the Russian Con-
sulate, in Great Winchester•street, said he was well
acquainted with Russian money of all denomina-
tions. The plate produced—that given by the
prisoner Josephson—resembled the ornamental por-
tion of a 10-rouble note, and the type found on Har-
witz would make the ornamental border or edge.
On being shown a printed paper found on another
of the prisoners, witness said it resembled the border
of a rouble note.

By Mr. M 95 onnell—The plate produced was
simply the ornamental design on the front of a
rouble note, and contained no figure or letter.
John Brett, detective officer—l took the prisoner
Reichberg into custody on Saturday evening in
company with Horwitz, and charged him with forg
ing Russian rouble notes. Ha made no reply. Ido
not think he understoo( me. At the police station I
searched him, and found two 100-rouble notes, two
10-rouble notes, and a number of papers and letters
in a foreign language, and which I have not yet
had interpreted. I also found in his pertmonnaie
the paper which the previous witness has identi-
fied as resembling the border of a rouble note.
Yesterday I went with the witness Scott to Haber-
dasher-place, and in a box which I took from below
his (Reichberg's) bed I founds quantity of wax, on