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gad --- en settled on himself, with a reversion to his son, l the soldier, and. in many respects he was in&
an afterwards to his son's son, the noble earl would pay I nitely better off. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the
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for his life interest, his son would do the same, and question of punishment the Admiralty imposed the
his son's son would pay 2,0001., or 10 per cent. upon the strictest checks upon the commanding officers, and they
.
capitalised income, ... were required to give the fullest returns of all cases
Clauses 2to 8 inclusive were agreed to almost without where they had recourse to corporal punishment.
discussion. There was a wide difference between the position
On clause 9, of a commander in the army and in the navy,
necessarydifference in whowasinformed theand their
that the power of inflicting punishment should
be concentrated in one hand. This bill proceeded upon
rations sole.
said corporations so le were the assumption that there should be a large body of
The LORD CHANCELLORand
almost all ecclesiastical,were not strictly subjects for seamen constantly employed for a period of 10 years,
a succession tax. Instead of being paid a salary they were and that during that period the seamen should be well
paid by a real estate, which devolved upon one after p` id. The experience of recent years proved that such
another. The hierarchy, of the church and rectors and
of such a nature that it was con- a measure was the best that could be adopted for the
vicars were successors
bring
interest of the service and the country, and he hoped
sidered impossible to them under the operation of
the committee would be unanimous in passing its details.
the bill.
10, and 11 were then agreed to. Admiral WALCOTT approved of the bill generally,
Clauses 9,
After a few observations from the Earl of CLANCARTY, but he would suggest that the period of service should
clausesbe extended from 10 to 20 years, and that there should
12 to 21 inclusive were also agreed to.
On clause 22, which related to outgoings, be an entry of 1,000 boys made every year in the navy.
The Earl of MALMESBURY wished to know what was Sir J. GRAHAM did not think it would be advi-
intended by the term " necessary outgoings."
The Duke of ARGYLL said it was impossible to specify sable to accede to the proposal of the hon, and gallant
admiral.
in an act of Parliament the necessary outgoings on an es- I
tate. It had been thought best, on the whole, to leave It answer to Sir DE LACY EVANS,
such matters in the ordinary course. No doubt the usual
deductions would be allowed under the bill.a powerrg enoy
.t o offer
bounties Sirj '
GiniteirdlierA M
to rsaaiisdetihneenC onanheamd
In answer to Sir J. WALMSLEY,
After a short conversation the clause was agreed to.
Sir J. GRAHAM, after giving Clauses up to 26 were agreed to.
On clause 26, which relates to the duty on the value of careful consideration, was notptrhopearsoudbiteoet
commend
smmooosdt
mines,
The Earl of DERBY said the clause was an impossible as was the case in the army. It was
the institution of courts martial for the toriaaslenotfiatlhetomtehne,
one, because it was simply out of any mast's power to aster- maintenance o f discipline that all the power on board
tain the value of a mine. ship should be placed in the hands of one man.
Earl GRANVILLE observed that the value of the mine Clause 1 was then agreed to.
was to be ascertained according to the ordinary mode of
On clause 2, in answer to Sir T. D. ACLAND,
letting.
After a few words from Lord TRURO and the Earl of Sir J. GRAHAMssaid he was not aware that there
DERBY,
had not been any diminution in the number of African
The clause was agreed to, as were clauses up to 34.
On clause 34, which imposes the duty on the successor boys on
Clause
aos
et he
2 was slave
agreedtrade
tsocr
and
r o nwere also the remaining
.
to the full amount of the property, although a part of it clauses of the bill, and
took the oaths and his seat ford the house resumed.
might have been previously eaten up by encumbrances, Mr. WILLIAMS
The Earl of DERBY said he was not going to move an West Cornwall.
amendment on this clause, which would not be receivedby The house then adjourned until six o'clock.
their lordships, but ho could not allow it to pass without The house resumed at six o'clock.
pointing out its manifest injustice. If a man succeeded to PETERBOROUGH ELECTION.
an estate of 20,0001. a year, of which all but 5,0001. had
been anticipated and eaten up by the encumbrances of the Mr. BRIGHT moved, that in the matter of the Peter-
predecessor, he was taxed not on the 5,0001. which he did borough Election Petitions Committee, the parties have
receive, but on the amount which he might receive but leave_ to appear by themselves, their counsel, or agents.
did not receive. If the property had been actually parted Mr. WORTLEY, as chairman of the committee, was
with to the same amount, instead of being mortgaged,
the quite willing that counsel should be heard, but it was ox-
tax could not be levied, and, therefore' it seemed to he the tremely desirable that the committee should be enabled to
grossest injustice to levy it when, to all intents and pur- check the proceedings of counsel, so that the sittings might
poses, it was parted with as far as the successor was con- not be so procrastinated by undue extension of examine-
cerned.
tion and discussion on their part as to prevent the com-
Earl GRANVILLE said that it was impossible to legis-
mittee from reporting during the present session.
late so as to meet every, possible case that might arse. The SPEAKER said, that counsel, if appointed, must
But if they once admitted the principle of exemptions like be heard in the ordinary way.
this, it would be likely to lead to great evasion of the Mr. WORTLEY appealed to the hon. member for Man-
duty. For instance,
a man with an_esta estate of the capital chester to leave the matter in the hands of the committee,
value of 120,0001. might make a colourable_ mortgage of who would be quite ready to call in counsel if the necessity
100,0001., so that the duty would be paid only on 20,0001. arose.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE said that a man may raise Mr. BRIGHT objected that the committee had not been
money on the reversion even for legitimate purposes, in- appointed according to what he understood to have been
instance, and under such circum- the feeling of the Cause, pursuant to which, and upon the
stances,vsting it
ans
he
to trade,
befcerxiempt although he might, be getting Stamford precedent, he himself ought to have been ap-
-10 or 15 per cent. on the money so invested? ` . pointed a member.
The Earl of DERBY said that in that case the duty
would be paid both on the money invested on 'the trade, BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
and on the property on which it was borrowed. Lord J. RUSSELL moved that, after Monday, the Ist
After a few words from Lord Truro, the Earl of Har- of August, orders of the day have precedence of notices of,
rowby, Earl Granville, and the Earl of Malmesbury, motions upon Tuesdays.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said there was a body called Mr. DISRAELI did not wish to offer any opposition to
the Reversionary Fund Society, whose business it was to the motion, because he thought it desirable to facilitate
purchase up reversions ; and it was singular, if this clause the progress of public business. But the house ought to
involved so much injustice, that not a single word of corn- part with the privilege of bringing forward motions with
plaint had been heard from that body. (Hear.) due caution ' • and he hoped that in assenting to the motion
The ,'clause was then agreed to, as were the following there would be a clear understanding that if in the present
clauses up to clause 48. state of public affairs any great question of urgency should
On clause 49, wise on which independent members should wish to take
The LORD CHANCELLOR stated, in answer to Lord the opinion of the house, the noble lord would take care
Hardwicke, thattha disclosing of confidential information to afford the necessary opportunity. (Hear, hear.)
received under theseirovisions of this act, would be treated Lord J. RUSSELL felt grateful to the right hon. gen-
as a misdemeanour. Allusion had been made to the case tlemau for the facility which ho was disposed to afford to
of the Newcaitle corporation losing 7,0001. allyear, by the the progress of public business, and considered that if any
production of their title deeds in a court of law • but the great public question should arise the house would have a
fact was, they lost it because it never belonged' to them. claim on the Government. (Hear, hear.)
After a conversation, in which the Earl of MALMESBUpY, The motion was then agreed to.
Earl GRANVILLE, and other peers took part, the clause GOVERNMENT OF INDIA BILL.
was agreed to. ,
, The house then went into committee on this bill, Mr.
On clause 54, , - Boverie in the chair.
The Earl of MALMESBURY wished to know why ,the Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said, he had given notice of
bill was to operate from the 19th of May. Was it thel
Chancellor of the Exchequer's birthday? (Laughter.)
Earl GRANVILLE said a few words in reply, and the secret committee should not have the power of tendering
their advice and opinion, and if necessary, of recording
clause was then agreed to. -
The Earl of DERBY was understood to state, in the that advice and opinion on all orders that may reach them
confusion caused by most of the peers leaving the house, from the President of the. Board of Control. The object
that he should not press his amendment for restricting the of his clauses was to impose something in the shape of a
operation of the act to five years. check to those wars which had produced so much mischief
in India, He contended, moreover, that all the recent
The remaining clauses were agreed to, after a valedictory
India had been entered into in consequence of the
protest from the Earl of HARROWBY against the " injus.
costa in
secret committee not having power to check the proceed-
tice " of the bill, which elicited a short reply from the ings of the Board of Control. He moved the insertion of
LORD CHANCELLOR and Lord TRURO. the following clause in the bill :—" That the secret corn-
The house then resumed, the bill was reported, and the mittee of the Court of Directors shall consist of the chair-
third reading fixed for a subsequent day. man, deputy-chairman, and such other director as shall be
- COLONIAL CHURCH REGULATION BILL.: selected and nominated by the Court of Directors
; and
This bill was read a third time and passed. . , that the said Court of Directors shall select and nominate
MISSIONARY BISHOPS BILL. such third member on the first Wednesday in April, 1854,
The Bishop of OXFORD moved the second reading of and shall certify the said appointment, and in the case of
this bill. Its object was to authorise the placing of a vacancy all future appointments, to the Secretary of State
bishop at the head of the foreign missions of the Church for the Affairs of India, under the seal of the East India
of England. Company?'
Earl Powis, the Earl of Malmesbury, the Bishop of Sa- Sir C. WOOD—The objection to this clause is, that it
lisbury, and
the Marquis of Salisbury, having expressed is the law as it stands. (A laugh.)
their opinions on the bill, The clause was negatived without a division.
The Earl of ABERDEEN expressed a fear that the bill Sir H. WILLOUGHBY then moved the clause of which
might lead to very serious inconveniences. At the same he had given notice, which was as follows :—" That the
time, the protection required for the bishops would be not said secret committee shall transmit to the supreme go-
greater than for the missionaries. vernment in India all orders of the said Secretary of State,
as by the law is now required as to orders emanating from
After a few words from the Earl of MALDIEBBIIRY and the President of the Board of Commissioners of the Affairs
the Bishop of OXFORD, the bill was read a second time,
and ordered to be committed. ;X India, except that if the said secret committee shall
think fit they may tender their advice and opinion on the
Their lordships then adjourned, at 10 minutes to 12 effect of any such order or orders, and if they deem it ex-
-o'cl o c k . pedient may enter a protest in writing as to the effect of
such order or orders, and that such protests shall be duly
recorded at the office of the said secret committee, and
also at the office of the said Secretary of State; but
nothing in this act shall bo construed in any way to inter-
fere with the power of the said Secretary of State to issue
, any order or orders that he may think fit to direct shall
transmit through the said secret committee."
Mr. HUME said, as this clause would meet the object
he had in view, he would give it his support. What he
weertsd was to empower the Court of Directors or the
secret committee to record their dissent whenever they
happened to differ in opinion from the Board of Control.
Sir J. HOGG was sorry he could not, consistently with
his sense of public duty, support the clause.
Mr. DISRAELI wished to make an inquiry of the Go-
vernment with respect to the statement of the hon. bart.,
that her Majesty's Ministers were responsible for the peace
and security of India, and that the responsibility should
rest with those who exercised the power. He wanted to
know whether the power of recalling the Governor-Gene-
ral of India was to be loft with the Court of Directors ?
He would not go into any question as to the propriety of
leaving that power with the directors ; but he thought it
was one of the most important powers which could be con-
ceived ; and if her Majesty's Government were to be held
responsible for the government of India, it appeared to be
quite impossible that they could fulfil that responsibility
if no change was made in the power of recalling the
Governor-General.
Sir J. HOGG had confined his observations to tho secret
committee.
Sir C. WOOD said the responsibility connected with
questions of peace and war, and of negotiations with
native princes, had for the last twenty years rested
with her Majesty's Government, and he proposed to con-
tinue it there. Daring the same period the Court of Di-
rectors had exercised the power of recalling the Governor-
General, or any other public officer, and of that power he
did not propose to deprive them.
Mr. HUME said one of his objects in supporting the
clause was to enable the secret committee to communicate
their proceedings to their colleagues in the direction. At
present they were not able to do so, except with the con-
seut of the Board of Control.
Mr. RICH should vote for the clause, because it would
give reality and substance to the remonstrances which the
secret committee could now make.
Mr. OTWAY said it was important it should be known
in India by whom public officers were recalled. At present
that'could not be known, in consequence of the directors
being compelled to sign dispatches against which they had
solemnly protested. Allow them; however, to record their
dissent, and they would be relieved from a disagreeable
position.
Mr. BLACKETT observed that Mr. Tuckett, au East
India director, Whose memoirs were lately published, speak-
ing in reference to the Affghan war, said that he had felt
humiliated at his name being mentioned in connection with
that war, although he had not concurred in the order of the
secret committee in which it originated. He (Mr. Blackett)
thought that responsibility should always be laid on the
proper shoulders' and he should, therefore, support the
amendment of the hon. baronet.
Mr. V. SMITH did not much admire the constitution of
body like the secret committee, and he quite understood
how humiliating it must be to be compelled to sign orders
in respect to which there was no responsibility and no
credit. On this account he should have wished that the
Court of Directors should be smaller, in order that the
secret committee might be done away with, and that the
orders might be transmitted through the whole Court. But
he thought there was much force in the objections which
had been stated by the hon. baronet the member for Honi-
ton, against ree.eistering the dissents of the members of the
committee, aad he should, therefore, not think it advisable
to support the amendment.
The committee then divided—
For the amendment...
Against it e: . 72
' Majority against —42
Mr. HUME moved the insertion of a clause extending
the qualifications of elector's of the Court of Directors to all
parsons having 503/. stock in the East India Company, and
naving had that for 12 months, as by the present law; also,
all holders of company's paper to the value of 10,000 rupees;
also, to allow every civil and military servant who had
served the company 20 years in India, and who should
have retired from the service of the company, to vote for a
directoi. after he should have been 12 months at home, and
12 months after he should have resigned the service, and to
Mr-
all electors to vote by proxy. Ai- LOWE said that his first objection to the proposed
aanndentdlZetat7vE that they had struck out of the act all
those clauses eh prohibited canvassing for directorships,
isnon:oncoseulciudenncoetoillfehaing been said to be that the best per-
hon. gentleman now induced to come forward as candidates
the onerous nature of the canvass, the
ousness by extendingPtrged greatly to increase its oner-
'cl.eiser of the electors. Another
and conclusive objection t
proposed to give a share of the
the amendment was, that it
to
the
power to a num-
ber of_ parsons not belonging
standing so it in the relation either creditorsof3cony or servants.
at all, but
Egaoszynteent of
Parliament had already decided that tli
India should for the present be left with the
Com-
pany ; and that being the case, he thought that 413:liaausldouolc
not be right in taking. the government out of the
the company, and giving it to some other body of Men.
He therefore felt himself compelled to oppose the amend-
ment.
Mr. WISE supported the clause.
Sir C. WOOD considered that there was this fatal ob-
jection to any iacrease in the existing constituency in the
mannernowpropiise
to hi
d, itwthatah v
th
soeuhousldbeethotaadllyalrineac4nsistent
with the decision come,
least, be vested in the -East India Company ;
viz., :that the government of India should, fora t
was,time iant
the proprietors of East India Stock. They might take
away the government from the company if they pleased,
and choose whatever constituency they thought best to

HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at one o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Lords' amendments to the following bills were
considered and agreed to :--British Electric Telegraph
Company, London and North-Western Railway (North-
ampton, &c.), London and North-Western Railway (St.
Alban's, &c.), West Ilarptry Road.
The following bills were read a third time and passed:
—Banbridge, Dublin, Newry, and Belfast Junction Rail-
way, Galway Improvement, (Warrington and Altrinchan
Junction Railway(Warrington, &c.), the Duke of Atholl's
Estate, &c.

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elect the council or other body whom they might appoint
to be the advisers of the minister for India ; but they
could not consistently, with the charter, or with the
principle of this bill, or even consistently with the very
existence of the East India Company, place upon the
electoral body by whom the directors were chosen any
other class of persons than those who were holders of East
India Stock.
Mr. T. BARING saw no force in the argument of the
President of the Board of Control, that the constituency
must be confined to the holders of East India Stock. The
right hon. gentleman bad himself introduced a great change
in, that principle, by giving to the Crown the power of no-
minating to the Court of Directors without any appeal to
the Court of Proprietors, and without the qualification on
the part of the nominees of being holders of stock. If the
principle were applicable to the Court of Directors, it
ought to be so also to the constituency who elected them.
He wished to see an elective body whose interests should
be identical with those of India, and who should be per-
manent and independent—a body to whom the Government
might look in 1874 for the means of efficiently carrying on
the government of India. On these grounds he should
support the amendment to be proposed by the hon. mem-
ber for Warwickshire, which, if carried, would certainly
identify the Court of Proprietors with the interests of
India. He approved also of au extension of the Court of
Proprietors, because it would materially affect the evil
system of voting by proxy. He was afraid, however, that
the amendment of the hon. member for. Montrose would
not meet his views.
Lord J. RUSSELL begged to observe, before the com-
mittee divided, that the hon. member for Huntingdon
carrie I the matter far beyond the Government proposition
or the necessity of the case. The Government proposed to
deal with a body, anomalous indeed, but whose practical
administration of the government of India bad been for
the welfare of India; whereas the hon. member for Hunt-
ingdon would create a new and strange body, an indepen-
dent body, standing between the Crown and the people of
India, and the working of which was a matter altogether
of uncertainty. The point was one, at all events, which
should be left to the wisdom of Parliament at some future
time ; it was quite inappropriate on the present occasion
The committee then divided. The numbers were—
For the clause
Against it
Majority
The clause was consequently lost.
Mr. BLACKETT then moved to add the following words
to clause 22:—"And whereas doubts have been entertained
as to the extent of the powers granted to the Governor-
General in Council by the 43d sec. of the said act of the 3d
and 4th years of King William IV., it is hereby declared
that the said Governor-General in Council shall have full
powers to enact, alter, or amend any laws for the said ter-
ritories (subject to the restrictions specified in the said 43d
section of the said act, as well as to the right of disallowance
of such laws vested in the Court of Directors by the 44th
section of the same), without any previous sanction of the
said Court of Directors, except in the cases reserved by the
46th section of the said act, notwithstanding any provision
to the contrary contained in former acts or charters still in
force and unrepealed."
Sir C. WOOD opposed the clause on the ground that
there was no doubt whatever with regard to the existing
state of the law. There was an old axiom that prevention
was better than cure. For that reason he thought it right
that the Government should possess the power which they
did, and he should therefore oppose the clause.
The clause was then negatived without a division.
Mr. RICH, who had given notice to move a clause, in-
adquiorpetdedbeanfoyreredgoulinagtisoonws,haenthderifhiss'o,riwghhtathorneg.uflariteinonds,hatod
provide for the great difficulties which attended the admis-
iseioynbof the young natives of India into the college at Hal-
9Siru C ry.
WOOD said it was impossible that he should have
made any regulations of the nature referred to until he
knew whether the house would assent to the principle of
the bill which he had introduced.
Mr. RICH concluded, then, that the right hon. gentle-
man had prepared no regulations on the subject. Although
he was certain that it would be rejected, he felt bound to
move the resolution of which he had given notice, and to
press it, to a division in order to show the sense entertained
of what was due to the natives, not in word, but in deed.
The hon. gentleman then moved a clause giving greater
practical efficiency to the 87th section of the act 3d and 4th
of William IV., c. 85, which declared that no native of her
Majesty's Indian territories, nor any natural born subject
of her Majesty resident therein, should by reason only of
his religion, place of birth, descent, colour, or any of them
be disabled from holding any place, office, or employment
under the said company..
Sir H. MADDOCK could not support the motion.
Mr. BRIGHT belieied that justice might be done to the
natives of India without diminishing the sources of employ-
ment for Europeans in that country, or reducing their
emoluments. He was convinced that arrangements might
be made which would render the natives of India just as
well satisfied with British rule as the Europeans in India
were themselves ; and it was because he believed that the
proposition before the committee was just in itself, and
consistent with tho interests of both countries, that he
asked the committee to assent to it and to force the Presi-
dent of the Board of Control to insert it in the bill.
Sir C. WOOD observed that the object of her Majesty's
Government was to do justice to all classes in India, and
extend the employment of the natives, not only with re-
gard to the numbers to whom employment was given, but
also by promoting them to higher situations than they had
hitherto filled. The hon. member for Richmond had stated
that the clause in the act of 1833 had been a perfect nullity.
Mr. RICH explained that what he had said was, that
that clause was a nullity so far as the covenanted service
was concerned. It was true that natives had been admit-
ted, under the company's authority, to minor situations,
but they then reached a wall which, by the rules of the
covenanted service, was impassable.

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Sir C. WOOD proceeded to say that the hon. member
for Manchester (Mr. Bright) bad stated that the clause had
been an entire nullity, and that the natives had not been
admitted into the service of the company.
Mr. BRIGHT explained that he had said that natives
were now only employed in offices which were just as ac-
cessible to them before the clause was passed, and the bar-
rier which that clause was supposed to throw down still
existed.

Sir C. WOOD said the object of the clause to which the
hon. member referred was to promote the general employ-
ment of natives in India, and if the natives had been gene-

rally employed the clause was not a nullity. The lon.
member for Manchester had complained that much higher
salaries were given to Europeans than to the natives of In-
dia, but in the evidence taken by the committee it was dis-

tinctly shown that a much higher salary was required to
induce a man of ability to leave this country to undertake
office in India, and to expcss himself to the climate of that
country, than would be received for the performance of
similar duties at home. It was necessary that European
superintendence should be maintained in India, and large
salaries must be paid to officers who occupied high posi-
tions, and who were called upon to discharge important
duties. He must observe, however, that natives of India
had been admitted to much higher offices than bad here-
tofore been open to them, and Lord Dalhousie had given
to a native the appointment of magistrate at Calcutta.
Reference had been made to the petitions which had been
presented to Parliament from India, but it was well known
that those petitions were not wholly the productions of
the natives, for they were partly got up by the English
editors of newspapers. He would undertake to say that
one of the petitions was written and got up by the editor
of a newspaper at Madras—(hear, hear)—and was not, as
it was represented to be, the spontaneous production of the
natives. It was not necessary, in order to insure the ge-
neral employment of the natives, that they should be
largely admitted into the covenanted service. The door
was thrown open to them, practically, to a far greater ex-
tent than before by the general admission of natives to
Haileybury College, and, for his own part, he believed
that natives might be admitted safely and advantageously
into the covenanted service.

Lord STANLEY was afraid that the right hon. baronet
was not fully aware of the importance of this amendment.
Upon it turned the whole question whether or no the na-
tives of India were to be admitted to' the civil service of
the company. For himself, he thought the proposal of the
Government, which professed to throw open the civil ser-
vice to unlimited competition, but which at the same time
absolutely excluded natives oflndia, was a retrograde step.
He did not say that because he approved of the old system
of patronage, but because, while the old system could not
have been permanent, the present plan would not be felt to
be an abuse in this country, whatever it might be in India,
and it would therefore be allowed to continue without im-
provement. He confessed he did not think it at all likely
that any of the natives
,of India would come over to be
educated at Haileybury ; but that was the less to be re-
gretted, because the educational establishments in Calcutta
and other large towns in India were such as prevented the
slightest fear of the education of the natives being much
inferior to what it would be if they were educated in
Europe. He should vote for the amendment.

Mr. LOWE said he could not avoid expressing his surprise
at the tone in which this question was taken up and dis-
cussed. Hon. members founded themselves on clause 87
of the act of 1833, which declared that no native should be
disqualified, and they wished to see the spirit of it carried
out. But in the military service, where no change had
been made, the effect of that very clause was to prpduce
an exclusion of natives. If that section was to be taken
as the groundwork of their policy upon this question, it
applied as strongly to, military covenanted service as to
civil covenanted service. By this bill they proposed, in-
stead of exercising a patronage confined to Europeans, to
open the doors of Haileybury to any native of India capable
of passing the requisite ordeal. Colour, religions and
descent had hitherto been disqualifications, but they would
be so no longer. The bill, in fact, fully carried out the
meaning of the clause, and it was, therefore wrong to op-
pose the bill in this particular, as if it were not intended to
give full effect to the principle of the clause. It might be
certainly that there would not be many Indians who would
be able to compete with success, but that was not the fault
of the bill, but the fault of the system of education pur-
sued in India. Then, it was said, that poverty might in-
terfere to prevent the competition, and it was suggested,
that a third of the admission should be open to competi-
tion in India. If that system were adopted, however, it
would be found that the effect would be that 'those who
were elected under examination in India would be inferior
to those) elected under the examinations in England. Be-
sides, if the principle were good for anything, why should
the numbers of admissions be limited to a third? His
opinion was, the Hindoos ought to receive fair opportuni-
ties for competition, and nothing more. His belief was
that the bill was unjustly accused, and that for the first
time it broke through the restrictions of European mono-
poly, more than that which a growing nation ought not to
concede.
Mr. M. MILNES said he could not vote for the clause of
the hon. member for Richmond, although it appeared to
be a fair logical deduction from the conclusions to which
the house had come. The effect of this system of compe-
tition, he was convinced, would be to open the 'lndian
population to the conviction that these ranks and honours
were impossible for them fairly to obtain.
After a few words from Mr. PHILLIMORE,
Mr. RICH replied, and
The committee then divided—
For Mr. Rich's clause
Against it
Majority

47
173
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The clause wag, consequently, rejected.
Mr. NEWDEGATE moved the addition of the following
clause, with a view of giving the proprietors of East India
stock votes according to the value of their stock :—" At
every ballot for the election of directors of the East India
Company, the proprietors of stock or shares in any com-
pany or association of persons established by authority of
Parliament, or of the government of India, for the purpose
of effecting or carrying on by means of joint stock any un-
dertaking of irrigation, drainage, railway or other com-
munication, or other object of internal improvement in
India, under the supervision of the Government thereof
(such proprietors being qualified as hereinafter mentioned),
shall be entitled to vote in respect of their paid up stock
or shares, according to the scale following, that is to say,
one vote in respect of 2,000/. ; two votes in respect of
4,0004 ; three Totem in respect of 7,00%; four votes in