The Sun.
London, England, 1801-02-20 00:00:00

WAYS AND MEANS.

Mr. BAAGGI brought up the Report of the
Committee of Ways and Means.
Mr. AL A. TAYLOR said, he wished shortly
to call the attention of the House to this subject.
He could not think that the Resources of the
Country were quite eo abundant as the Right
Hon. Gentleman had stated them last night; nor
could he hear them so represented, without beg-
ging Gentlemen to refer a little to the situation
of the large and populous Districts, and the crate
of the Poor Rates in different parts of the Coun-
try. Without some relief was given, and the
pressure of some of the Taxes was taken off, the
Landed Interest of the Country would suffer most
severely. He had Papers in his pocket which re-
ferred to one manufaluring part of the Country
—the West Riding of Yorkshire, which chewed,
that instead of the boasted prosperity and se-
sources of the Country, unless Peace arrived, the
House might vote Supplies, but he believed there
would not be found People able to pay them. He at-
tended not to declamation but to fads ; nor could
the splendid exhibition of eloquence by the Right
Hon. Gentleman, convince his mind in oppositu,n
to fads. He had heard that Petitions had been
agreed upon in various parts of the West Riding
of,Yorkshire, laying their grievances before,the,
Throne. At all events; he thought they ought
to be known to the Representatives of the People.
in the town of Wakefield, the Poor Rates in
179 i amounted to 191 tl. and ih 1799 they had
risen to the sum of 28681. and from Nov. 3,
i Soo, to Feb. 1, 1801, they amounted to - 8981.

In varrou4 other township pasimilarctlies, a similar
increase had taken place. If then the War should
. he continued, and Taxes and Poor Rates thus pro-
gressively carried dn, he would leave Gentlemen to
judge how far the Cduntry in its present"state •
could bear them. With regard to the Nlanufac-
'turers in the' West Riding OlYbritshire, he nitist
also observe, that almost all the Rireign Ports;
were shut against Their goods, particularly the,
guns or Russia,. Many- ot the Merdlan'ts were
'ilfeady undone, and at least two-thirds of the.
ilantifaaurers were out of employ. Ahd such
was the state of the poor shopkeepers, :that the r_.
tants of distress • might- in many instances be
granted against them in Vain. - • - •
Mr. jot.LIFFtt and Sir jowl P‘Attmt Lt. fcsy.
about the same time; .when the House loud&
calling upon Sir J. PARNELL, Mr. joLL'irrs,
sat down.

Sir ;ally _PARNELL-said, that his par rase •
in rising, was not for-the sake of making objetti_
cans to'tite general statement_ of the Right lion,
Gentleman (Mr: Pun.) lit would admit that.
that part of his Speech which re:peCted Ireland,
was perfectly fair: Without questioning either
. the ability, or distindness with which the general
-statement was given, he must beg -leave to
that, so (dr as respeCted Ireland, it was not
sperfeetly clear, inasmuch . AS, the Right Hon.
Gentleman had not, in his Speech, • specified the -•
miscellaneous services for that Contitrv, nor
whether the sum m
s were greater .or 'smaller for sills'.
year than usual. But as the su'bjec't would ,
bably undergo farther, ciiseut,sitin,‘ he shosuld•then
have ito opportunity of making such:farther obser
vations as might occur to his mind.-.4he rtjibtfret:
2.l7thS, which appertained to Ireland, as far as ra-,
spetted- the general charge of the Empire,.-lie 11A..
L'44“oo({ would amount to the sum of 4;3i4,0001...
but the internal expence of Ireland. far exceeded)
that sum. Last year it exceeded", 5,60°,6001. •
~English money:. The difference between these
two sums exceeded that of 1,200i0001. for which
Englund, by the Right Hon. Gent)einan's Sp!echi• '
would render herself . responsible, He men-
dotted this circumstance, to tiiiew that the Int..
pedal HOuse o Cirnimions was as Much interested
in every article of Irish F.,xpendii'tire, as. if the
Stateinent had been made 'in the Irisli',ll6use.,of,
Commons. Sir Jon x then proceeded tai state the .
usual made of bringing forward the S;rpplies in
the. Irish House of Conunotts; The accounts for
the*yices of the "current year, .inclUding the
Civil :atti Military EstabliAments, were then
called for, and he thought that, a prataice_. wbith
had been found so beneficial in Ireland, .Qught.to
be adopted in, this Country.
.PITT said, he had heard, with great .sa—
tislatlictn the Speech of, the Right Hon. .83r0.,.
net, insomuch as it conveyed:, the disp..,sition to ;
' consider the-interests of both parts of the United.,
kingdom as indissolubly united, and tliat only
One wish prevailed for equal justice to both parts'
of the Einpire. 'lt was true, as the Right Hon,
Wironet•had remarked„'. that he had not entered
with the satne.minuteness into the items of Irish
I,xpeticliture in his Speech, as he had done with
respeCt to other parts of the general Charge; per-
haps, in some respects, he was chargeable with
an accidental ornissioll; but so far as reTeaet,,l.,
the Miscellaneous, Articles, he would • observe,
that it
,was not usual; nor necessary,' at the time
of opening the Budget, to enter-into particulars t.
• the time for stating them particularly would be
when .they came to be voted ; and then the House
would doubtless be .to receive- all-the in.,,
formation with which the abilities and knowledge!
of the Hon. Baronet could furnish them. But hi,
must say that the Hon, Baronet was, completely
mistaken, if he -supposed ,the that'he whole burden
to be borne by Ireland for the, current yeat.
amounted to the. suan.of 4,3.24,0001;which, 2!s••
dilte truly observed, was less thaw the sum; b.orne.
ItiyAreland during the .last year, What .he (Mr.;
f.'pl-rT) had stated was, that this was ip. joint:,
charge, according to the 'ferias of the Union,.
exclusive of various articles of expencelor which,
Ireland was liable, arising from her •Siokini,
Fund,,Compensations, Treasory• Bills (in the-na..
sure of our Exchequer "Bills), and various other
items. Ile had 'stated," that for these purposes, it
would be necessary :for Ireland' to borrow . the
,sum of z,500,0001, " in addition to • this sum of.
.4,324,0001. By the A& of Union, Parliament.wai
to judge, what sum each Country was to furnish,-
.and then to judge by what means the. aggregate

ms were to be defrayed.—He had stata,•

besides the sum whieh'lreland was to paY, .the
sum of about Two Millions and a half was -the
proportion of, the sum which was to be added-On,
account of‘ Ireland. If he was mistaken, he
should be 'thankful of every information he, might
receive from-the-Right Hon. Baronet.; With re,
spat to what had fallen from an Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. M. A. TAimuß), he was persuaded that, dot
Hon. Gentleman had mi,intention- of inculcating
any thing desponding. The Hon. Gentleman had
begun bA remarking, that he had deferred mak,.
ing any observations list night on the general
statements he (Mr, Prtr) had.adduced, because it
was not usual, on whit was died a Budget night,
'to make any observations, especially when co
new matter was introduced. He should only say
on' this point,• that during the last seventeen, years
he recolleded no. day, excepting yesterday, with..
out some observation on a Budget being opened,
What the Hon. Gentleman now 'stated, did not
grow out of any nc* matter which.had beery nup
gested yesterday, hut what grey:, out olbis pocket.
in answer to, what he had then stated as to the gene.
ral prosperity of the. Country, the Hon.. Gentle.
man had' remarked that the gm Rates had in-