The Sun.
London, England, 1862-05-21 00:00:00

HIGHWAYS BILL.

Sir G. GREY said he thought it right to state that as
supply would come on to-morrow evening, and would in
all probability occupy the house till late, he would not
proceed with the bill until Monday evening next. On that
evening the Scotch Education Bill would be the first order
of the day, and he proposed to plac3 the Highways Bill
second on the list. If, however, the first order of the day
lasted any considerable time he would not press the High-
ways Bill that evening.
SALE OF SPIRITS BILL.

Mr. W. MARTIN, in moving the order of the day for
the second reading of this bill, said the object of the mea-
sure was to modify what was known as the Tippling Act"
passed in the reign of George IL When that act was
passed tippling was carried on to an extent of which in the
present age they had no idea, Gin was then sold at the
corner of every street, and the object of the framers of the
bill was to prevent scores being ran up against half-
drunken men on the backs of doors of publichouses.
The bill proved effectual, and he did not wish
that debts should be recovered for spirits drank on the
premises. His only object was to prevent the existing law
from being perverted to an extent that was never proposed
by those who patronised that measure. Having read the
preamble of the Tippling Act, which set forth the object
for which it was framed, he said he intendtd by the present
bill to enable wine merchants to recover for two
gallons of spirits supplied at the house of a cus-
tomer. He quoted some cases, the particulars of which
had been furnished him by correspondents on whose infor-
mation he could rely, and which ahem ed that people in the
most respectable station of society were not ashamed to
plead the Tippling Act to defraud those whom they were
honourably bound to pay because their demands were just.
He said that his bill was framed in accordance with the re-
presentations of some of the most respectable persons, ana
the sole object was not to promote intoxication, but to pre-
vent a class of honest tradesmen being cheated. (Hear.)
Mr. AYRTON moved, as an amandrnent, that the bill
should be read a second time that day three months. He
founded his opposition to the bill on the ground that no
necessity existed for its introduct'on. The bill lroposed
only to deal with gin. Now gin was an innovation, and
came into this country after the Dutch Rev lution, being,
he believed, the only drawba.dc to that political event. He
read the statements of some of the authorities of the City
who presented a petition to the house in the reign of George
IL, which led to the passing of the act which it was
now sought by this bill to repeal.
After a short discussion,
The House divided, when the numbers were—
For the second reading
Against

Majority
The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be
committed on the 18th of June.

JUDGMENT LAW AMENDMEN 1.1 BILL.

Mr. WHITESIDE, in moving the second reading of
this bill, said that some centuries back an Act of Parlia-
ment was passed which enabled a creditor to look to the
moiety of land for his debt. In the reign of George 11.
another act was passed which enabled a creditor who
had obtained a judgment t 3 assign the same, which led to a
great deal of litigation. There was also the disadvantage
that the owner of an estate could not sell any lora= of his
estate as long as there was any judgment hanging
over it, however small the amount. Having ad-
verted to different committees which considered
the subject, and the legislation which had been attempted
in reference thereto, he drew a►tention particularly to the
bill introduced by Sir John Romilly, the Master of the
Rolls. By that bill it was proposed that no judgment
should operate as a lien on land, and that.it should not have
any effect after the sale of the laud. The judgment must
have been registered in order to entitle the creditor to claims
against the estate. The learned author of this bill, by the
latter provision, intended that the creditor should claim
against only a portion of the land. However, that failed,
and it was found that the creditor frequently claimed against
the whole estate. The object of the present bill was to
alter the state of the law in Ireland, and assimilate it to the
law of this country. _ _

Colonel FRENCH thoughlthat the bill if persevered in
should be referred to a select committee, some of the mem-
bers of which should be selected from landed proprietors
who were interested in the subject.
The SOLICITOR- GENERAL said that he had con-
sulted the Lord Chancellor of Ireland and the law officers
in that country, and as they were opposed to the bill, he
trusted the houso would consent to his (the Solicitor-
General's) amendment, namely, that the bill should be read
a second Rime that day six months. The right hon.
gentleman then went through the different statutes that
had been passed on the subject, and said that the bill of the
right hon. gentleman (Mr. Whiteside) proposed to take
away ell csoottri(: voLlUt the otwteto iab pv.s.nt wave to the
holder of judgments or land. He reminded the house that
by the act of Lord St. Leonatds an alteration had been made
in the law relating to judgment debt s on land in this
country. He read a letter from the Lord Chancellor of
Ireland, stating that the bill would do away with all that
wholesome I.egialation that up to 1849 had been effected for
Ireland

Mr. LONGFIELD supported the bill, and contended
that the law in Ireland was in a most unsatisfactory state.

Mr. SCULLY said that it was most desirable that the
law of the two countries should, as far as possible, be
assimilated. However he objected to several of the details
of the bill, but he advocated its being referred to a seleet
committee.

Mr. GEORGH and Mr. HENLEY supported the bill.
Mr. HADFIELD cot sidered that a bill should be
brought in to do away with the law of judgment altogether,
and he did not think that the present measure went far
enough.

-Mr. M'DONOUGH said that the law in Ireland was
most unsatisfactory, and he thought the Irish Government
should have brought forward a bill on the subject. He
thought the most advisable course would be to refer the
bill to a select committee.

Mr. MONSELL said that he would support the second
reading of tho bill provided he agreed to refer it to a select
committee.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL denied that the bill
would effect an assimilation of the law between the two
countries, and even if it did accomplish that object, thelaw
in England was objectionable.
Mr, WHIT ESIDE replied, and

The bill was read a second time, with the understanding
that it was to be referred to a select committee.

DEBENTURES ON LAND (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. WHITESIDE moved the second reading of the bill,
and explained that its object was to allow a person who had
obtained an indefensible right in the Encumbered Estates
Court to have a right to mortgage his deeds or deben-
turee to the value of one-half or one-third of the money
for which he purchased his estate. It might be said that
facilities would be afforded to spendthrifts to raise many,
g
but he believed persons of this description would not be in-
ittanoed by'whether they raised wor,o, cheap or dear, 9

quoted the authority of Judge Hargrave in support of the
bill as well as that of Xx idge Longfield,
The SOLICITOR? GENERAL considered that this
bill, and another on the 3 same subject by the member for
('ork (Mr. Scully) as well as that already read a zecond
time, should be referre, I to the qame select committee.
Mr. V. SCULLY said that he was bound to support the
bill of the right hon. member (Mr. Whiteside), because its
principle was identical with that bill which he (Mr. Scully)
introduced to the house.

Lord NAAS considered that the principle of the bill was
objectionable. It was not shown that there was
any specific evil which required the application of
ameasure like the present. One of the evils that resulted
from the operation of the Encumbered Estates Court
was a jobbing in land, which would be increased by this
bill. The great majority of gentlemen who possessed land
in Ireland were not in favour of this bill, and thought that
there were facilities sufficient to encumber land without
increasing them further. Money could now be obtained on
land in Ireland at 41 per cent.
Mr. POLLARD-URQTJHART was in favour of the
bill.

Sir F. HEYGATE opposed the bill, and said that if
these debentures were allowed he believed they would
ultimately pass into the hands of low attorneys, a class in
Ireland who frequently had money to lend. If this bill
passed it might increase the value of land, but that increase
would result from the competition which would take place,
and would therefore be of no permanent value to the
country.

Mr. H, HERBERT, as being connected with land in
Ireland, viewed this bill with some alarm, and after the
passing of the Encumbered Estates Court, he regarded it
as a retrograde measure.

Col. FRENCH supported the bill.
The bill was read a second time, and referred to a select
committee.

INVESTMENT AND PROVIDENT SOCIETIES
BILL
This bill went through committee.
CHURCH RATES COMMUTATION BILL.
The second reading of this bill was postponed until
Friday.
DISCHARGED PRISONERS AID BILL.
This bill was postponed nail next week.
LOCAL GOVERNMENT SUPPLEMENTAL BILL.
This bill went through committee.
LAND DEBENTURES IRELAND BILL (MR.
SCULLY'S.)

This bill was read a second time and ordered to be re-
ferred to a select committee.

The house adjourned at 10 minutes to six o'clock.

EXTENSIVE .li, TP hI, ROBBERY.

This morning information of a robbery of the
most extensive description, was received at the
metropolitan police stations. Thm robbery was
committed by two men, who entered the premises
of Mr. Mendell, of 121, Regent•street, representing
themselves to be gem buyers. A large quantity of
jewels were shown them, and, after their departure
it was discovered that they had abstracted the fol-
lowing property, substituting for them imitation
stones:—

245 diamonds of the first water, various sizes,
weight 651 carats ; a small parcel of diamonds of
the second water, various sizes, weight 25Z carats;
two emeralds (pure) weight, 61 carats (one diamond
shaped single cut, the other octagon shaped, double
cut); and one emerald, 3-k carats (oblong shaped,
the back of it single cut).

The first man spoke German, about 50 years old
height, 5 feet 10 inches ; wore a brown wig ; a
small grey moustache; dressed in dark clothes and
hat. The second said he was an American ; age
45, height, 5 feet 11 inches, stout ; hair and
whiskers black, sun-burnt ; dress, black cloth suit
and hat.

A reward of £lOO has been offered for the cap-
ture of the thieves. The property stolen is valued
at near £l,OOO.

POLICE---THIS DAY.

isIARLBOROUGH.STREET, THIS DAY.

CLEVER CAPTURE OF PICKPOCKETS.—Joseph Young
and Charles Henry Clermont were charged as follows :
Sergeant Charles Cole, 23 C, said he was in Regent-
street the previcus afternoon on an omnibus, there being a
great crowd in the street in consequence of the Japanese
Ambassadors being there, when he ab-erved the prisoners
very busy. He got down and watched the prisoners, and
saw Clermont stop by the side of some ladies and put his
hand into the pocket of one and take out a purse and give
it to Young, who took some silver from it and put it into
his pocket. He also observed Clermont put his hand on
a gentleman's watch chain. He look the prisoners into
custody, and on searching Young at the station he found
7s. 6d. on him, and in Clermont's coat pocket a purse was
found, and in his trousers pocket another. He had seen
Young in the company of thieves, and he had also some
knowledge of Clermont.
Mr. Tyrwhitt remanded the prisoners. •