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had added 250 millions to her debt, of which 180 millions was
not attributabld te-War,eiPend4ttre. Austria Itussia had
added to their debts, and the ft/tineid year of 1861 alone had
added to the state debts' of all the great countries 200 mil-
liens of money. We had not added to our debt, but among
extraordinary expenses, there was the cost of the war with
China, which had been £7,054,x0.. In the last three years,
what might be called war expenditure, including China,
New Zealand:and the despatch of troops to North America,
was £8,600,000. Showing the state of our extraordinary

expenditure and the extraordinary resotuces, such as bal-
ance's in the txchequer, which had been used to meat it, he
pointed out that the lncome-tax had risen since 1859 by 3
millions, and including the spirit duties and other imposts,
there had been taxes imposed exceeding five millions. The

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taxes reduced amounted to over four millions, the amount
imposed being more than a million of taxes over those re-
duced. The extraordinary resources were now at an end.
Altogether about 11 millions had been devoted in the last
three years to extraordinary expenditure, of which six mil-
lions had been met by extraordinary resources, and five
millions by taxes drawn from the people. As regarded the
revenuo of the last three years it had increased since
1858-59 by over four millions in 1861-62, showing an ave-
rage increase of one million per annum derived from ordi-
nary sources. We had passed through exceptional years
without going into the market for loans, but all other ex-
traordinary resources were now exhausted, and to meet
casualties which might occur, it was only to ordinary
sources of revenue we had to look, and any difficulty which
might be anticipated was only to be met by the application

of the principles of true and strict economy. He con-
cluded by proposing a resolution•relating to the alteration

of the wine claies.
Mr. HUBBARD said that as the income tax for last year
was £11,000,000, and this year it was estimated at£lo,ooo,ooo,
it could not be an unimpottant matter to the Government
that the tax should be levied upon something like equitable

principles. As the right hon. gentleman had said nothing
on the subject of the present inequalities of the tax, he
should take the earliest opportunity of asking the house to
pronounce an opinion upon the proposition which he would

have to submit to it on the subject.
Mr. BUXTON said that as one of the fraternity affected
by the changes proposed by the Chancellor of the Exche-

quer, he thought it right to say that they were left very
much in the position in which they stood before. As the re-

presentative of a Kentish borough he had no doubt the pro-
posal made by the right hon. gentleman with respect to
hops would tend greatly to the prosperity of that borough.
He•looked upon the proposal of the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer as an admirable compromise, which, while it would
not increase the obligations of the brewers, would tend ma-
terially to the benefit of the hop growers ; and he must at
the same time congratulate the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer on having brought down the country gentlemen to the
level of common brewers. (A laugh.)

Mr. CRAWFORD considered the proposal of the Chan.
cellor of the Exchequer as a fair and honourable one, and it
was equally honourable in a gentleman affected by the
scheme to getup in his place and express his approval of it.
He believed the proposal of the, right hon. gentleman with
respect to foreign wines was also a fair one, for the class of
wines to which the alcoholic test would have to be applied
would be limited in its supply in this country. As the re-
presentative of the West and East Indies and the Mauri-
tius, and of the refiners of sugar, he must say that nothing
could be more fair to those interested in respect to the sugar
duties than the proposition of the right hon. gentleman,
that they should have an opportunity of coming before a
select committee of the house and having their case heard
and inquired into. He offered his congratulations to the
member for Rochdale and the Chancellor of the Exchequer
on the successful result of the French treaty. This budget
might be termed by some an immoral budget, seeing the
facilities it afforded to card players and for tippling at fairs
—(a laugh)—but, upon the whole, he believed it would
give satisfaction to the country.
Sir S.NOR HICOTE said the best wish that they could
express on behalf of the Chancellor of the Exchequer was,
that this would be the only budget which he would have to
bring in on this occasion; but the right hon. gentleman's
expressions showed that he felt little at ease as to the retro..
spect of affairs. The house had already voted £5,200,000,
and had spent about £4,608,000, leaving about £500,000
more out of what had been voted. They were now told
that they were to have another vote of £500,000, and with
that he understood the whole expense of the China war was
to be concluded. The first question he wished to ask the
right hon. gentleman then was, was he correct in this view?
He also wished to know the grounds on which the right
hon. gentleman estimated the Excise. As to the Customs
he had taken a very sober and moderate estimate, and he
thought the right . hon. gentleman had rather understated
the sum it would amount to ; but with regard to the Ex-
cise revenue, the right hon. gentleman estimated it at more
than it produced last year. He wanted to know on what
principle the right hon. gentleman expected the Excise this
year to exceed the amount of the two last years, seeing that
he did nothing to increase it; indeed, the reduction of the
hop duty would diminish rather than increase the revenue
in this respect.
Mr. BALL wished he could join hon. gentlemen in
congratulations which they had expressed in reference to
the budget of the right hon. gentleman, for the right hon.
gentleman in that budget wholly overlooked the interests
of the agricultural classes of this country by declining to
reduce the duty on malt. The right hon. gentleman says
he cannot spare any portion of the duty in the present state
of the finances of the country. Well, he did not think that
this was an omission to the case put forward by the agricul-
turists for a reduction of the tax in question. He did not
think that the result of the commercial treaty with 'France
would tend to perpetuate peace between that country and
England. (Oh, oh.) Well, that was his opinion. The
right hon. gentleman could not understand the' bus" that
was heard in the house when he proposed to impose a
licence duty of 12s. 6d. a-year on those who brewed their
own beer at home. He could tell the right hon. gentleman
that that buz was the expression of surprise that he pro-
posed to add to the pressure upon the agriculturists, by im-
posing this new licence duty for brewing their own beer.
Mr. DODSON would offer his sincere thanks to the right
hon. gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) for the
way in which he proposed to deal with the hop duty. It
would be a relief not only to the hop grower but to the con-
sumers of beer, and of all concerned in the growth and man-
facture of hops. He must also observe that the proposal as
regarded the licence of brewers was a fair one, and that he
had no doubt it would not be objected to by them, He
would repeat that the proposal of the right hon. gentleman
with respect to the reduction of the duty on hops would be
a benefit to the consumer, because it would necessarily lead
to the greater use of hops in the manufacture of beer. Up
to June last it was supposed there would have been less
than half a crop of hops. Several bitter ingredients it was
proved before the committee, were introduced into the
making of beer, and while the legitimate articles used in
that manufacture were taxed the deleterious ingredients
were admitted duty free. He thought the abolition of the
duty on hops would give great satisfaction.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE also thought the cornuWation of
the hop duty would give great satisfaction to the- country.
As regarded the income tax he knew that the present mode
of levying it gave great disiati6faCtion, and that it operated
especially as a great pressure on the agricultural interest.
Sir J. PAITON ventured to say, with regard to
the budget, that the statement of the right hon. gentleman
the Chancellor of the Exchequer would be received with
satisfaction in xlaLy respects. He (Sir Joseph Paxton) had
a very strong opinion last year of theadvantages that would
result from the commercial treaty entered into by this
country with France, and to his knowledge, great exertions
were making in that country to carry on an enlarged trade
with this country. There was, however, a general reduc-
tion taking place in the amount of the manufactures in
this country, and looking at the very small amount of cot-
ton now on hand, he was very much afraid that the present
financial year would not be as prosperous a one as that I
which they had just had.
The CHANCELLOR of the4EXCHEOUER, in reply
to Mr. Hubbard, said that it would be competent to him to
move any resolution on the subject of the income tax he
thought proper in committee. '
Mr. HUBBARD intimated that ho would adopt that
course.

PUBLIC ACCOUNTS.

The resolution proposed by tho Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer was then agreed to.
The house then resumed.
SUPPLY.

On the motion that the house do go into Committeo of

Supply,
Sir J. PAXTON expressed a hope that the house would
not consent to go into supply at that late hour, and parti-
cularly so after the long discussion which thoy had had on
the Budget.
Mr, A. SMITH also objected to the house going into
Committee of Supply at that late hour.
Lord PALMERSTON hoped the house would not object
to going into supply.
The house then went into committee.
THE NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT.

On the motion that a sum of £32,647 be granted to her
Majesty for the decoration, Ow., of the New Houses of Par-
liament,
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished to know whether. this
large sum of £32,000 was likely to be continued every year.
Mr. COWPER, in reply, said he thought that it future
years they would require to come to Parliament, and that
no great reduction could be looked for in the vote.
Mr. AYILTON said that last year they had a discussion
in the house about the merits of four of their kings,namely,
Charles 11., George 111., George IV., and 'William IV.,
in whose honour, and to commemorate whose rnemory,four
statues were propose:a to be erected as part )f the decora-
tions of the hous6, 'and as to the four best lings that this
country had over been reigned over ty. (A laugh.) Ho
should like to know what two kings in their history were
equal in merit to George the Fourth. and William the
Fourth? (Laughter.)
Sir M. RIDLEY could not but sabmit that the councils-
sion'which.had been appointed to inquire into and direct
the decorations of the Houses of Parliament had not exer-
cised that right discretion which it seemed to him they
should have done in directing the decorations, in relation
to considerations of high art. If the public money was to
be voted for works of art., it should in his opinion be voted
for works of art of the highest order. There was doubtless
abundant talent in the country; but genius, which was

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comparatively rare, ought to have been sought out. He
found tha►( a sums of 1800 was set down for each statue ;

and he certainly did not think the sum too much for a highly
finished one but when he saw works that could only ha

regarded as'thedioere, he considered that the vote ought to
be reduced. He should therefore move that the rum of

£1,600 set down in the vote for two statues be struck out.
After a few words from Mr. A. SMITH,
Mr. WHALLEY wished to know why the period of
Oliver Cromwell was not to be celebrated by the statue of
the Protector of England being erected in some part of tha
house.

Mr. COWPER said, in reply to an hon. member, that
oil was in use in some of the passages in the hous3, but the
contract would terminate in six months. The right hon.

gentleman then went on to to say that previous to last
year money had been voted for four statues out of twelVe
to form what was called the Royal Gallery of
.Statues in
that house ; and last year votes of two additional statues

had been agreed to by the house. The first of these two
last statues would be that of King William 111. (Hear,
bear, from hon. members on the back Conservative benches.)
The other would be that of Queen Mary—not that Queen
Mary which the hon. member for Peterborough would ob-
ject to—but Queen Mary, the wife of William 111. He
thought the history of England could not be better illus-
trated in that house than by erecting statues of tlp sever al
sovereigns of the country in it. But the hon. baronet (Sir
M. Ridley) objected to the expense, on the ground that they
were going to erect mediaeval statues—but they were not
going to do anything of the kind. They were going to erect
statues similar in character to those in St. Stephen's Hall,
which he looked upon as creditable to art in this country.
Sir M. PETO said they ought to have a statue from one
of their best artists, of the Prince Consort—(hear, hear)—
as he was sure such a mark of respect to his memory would.
give great satisfaction to the country, (Hear, hear.)
Sir W. RIDLEY said, in the entrance hall the statues of
Pitt, Grattan, and Burke were as bad statues as works of
art as ever were produced. They presented no speech, they
presented no mind, they presented no thought ; and he was
of opinion that the money had been wasted which had been
so spent. He mould not, however, press his amendment,
and with permission would withdraw it, and it was with-.
drawn accordingly.
Mr. )AIRD said he was of opinion that a Scotch sove-
reign should be introduced. (A laugh.)
Mr.
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of saidOliverho
Cromwell, had expressed
though no opinion
that w
wita h
respect s
an event in their history which he thought should be illus-
trated. There was a fresco in the House of Lords which
he objected to—that of St. Augustine baptising a Saxon
King. People would imagine that that was the first intro-
duction of Christianity, whereas it had been introduced 500
years before.

After a few words from Sir J. PAITON.
Mr. COWPER said the Victoria Tower was intended for
the reception of records. The racks were intended to be fire-
proof. The House of Lords was encroaching very much on
the space, but at present only two rooms were filled up out ,
of 64 rooms in the tower. He would not enter into the his-
torical discussion raised by the hon. member for Peterbo-
rouga as to St. Augustine. It was an historical fact that
was presented in that picture, and while an inference might
be drawnfrcm it, it was an interesting fact. As to the statue
of Cromwell, he should be very glad to see a statue erected
if the money was voted.
The vote was agreed to.
On the next vote of £5,400 for the maintenance of British
embassy houses abroad,
Mr. MokSELL drew attention to tho embassy house at
Constantinople. He found a sum of £2,000 set down for
keeping the house in repair; and that there was in the vote
a considerable item for a clerk of the works. Why need
they feel surprise that repairs were constantly needed when
they found that a clerk of the works was constantly kept to
look after the house. He disapproved of such a system, and
moved that the proposed vote be reduced by £l,OOO.
Mr. COWPER, in defending the vote, said if economy
were to be studied, it would be far more advantageously so
under direction of a clerk of works attached to the embassy
than by trusting to a foreign architect.
The committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment
Against
Majority against the amendment —27
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and the house
resumed.
COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS (IRELAND) BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill, when clauses
1 and 2 were agreed to. The reniaining clauses were agreed
to, and the house resumed. •
MOVEABLE PROPERTY (SCOTLAND) BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
MARKETS AND FAIRS (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill, as amended, was considered and agreed to.
SUMMARY JURISDICTION (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
INDIA STOCK TRANSFER BILL.
The Lords' amendments on this bill were agreed to.
SIR JOHN SOANE'S MUSEUM BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
CHANCERY REGISTRATION BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
BILLS OF EXCHANGE (IRELAND) ACT (18G1)
AMENDMENT BILL.

Mr. VANCE obtained leave to bring in a bill to amend
;he.stunmary procedure on. Bill of Exchange (Ireland) Act
;1861).

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the resolution (31st March) relative to public accounts,
be read ; that the said resolution be a standing order of this
house.

After some discussion, in which Col. French, Mr. Hen-
nessy, Col. Dunne, told Lord R. Montagu took part,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proceeded
'to nominate the committee as follows—Sir F. Baring, Mr.
E. P. Bouverie, Sir S. Northcote, Mr. Peel, Mr. Glyn, Mr.
Cobden, Sir H. Willoughby, Mr. Howes, and Mr, Walpole
`—which, after some discussion, was agreed to.