The Sun.
London, England, 1862-01-01 00:00:00

No. Account showing the Revenue and other Receipts of the Quarter ended Dac. 31, 1861 ; the Application of the same; and the Charge
of the Consolidated Fund for the said Quarter, together with the Surplus or Deficiency upon such Charge.

Surplus Balance beyond the charge of the Consolidated Fund, for the Quarter
ended Sept.:3o, 1861, viz. :
Great Britain
Ireland
274,985

Income received in the Quarter ended Dec. 31, 1861, as shown in Account I. 17,068,039
Amount raised per Act 23-24 Viet., cap. 109, on account of Fortifications, &c
00350,000
00
Amount of Excise pier Bills (Ways and Aleuts) issued in the:Quarter 1,0,0
Amount received in the Quarter ended Dec. 31, 1801, in repayment of Advances
for Public Works, &c.
Amount of former charges cancelled 679
---

£10,243,071

Balance, being the Deficiency, on 31st Dec., 1861, upon the charge of the Conso-
lidated Fund in Great Britain, to meet the Dividends, and other charges, pay-
able in the Quarter to March 31, 1862, and for which Exchequer Bills
(Deficiency) will be issued in that Quarter 3,251,250

£22,491,321

event the risk would not be so great as in that of a railway
train. I think it would still be an act of folly for an ama-
teur to drive a railway train, though he had the engine
driver by his side. I have here the original paper I got
from Mr. Field of the questions I was to put to Mr. Wind-
ham, and also the notes I made at the time ; but I should
explain that I found it impossible to follow the questions
regularly, as Mr. Windham was constantly starting from
one subject to another. When talking of the timber con-
tract, Mr. Windham did not refer to the long distance
which the timber had to be carried. He did say something
about Felbrigg beirg 23 miles from the railway, and that
there was that extent of land carriage to be taken into ac-
count in considering the price at which the timber had been
sold. He should also state that he understood that the most
valuable timber was not to be cut, but he did not tell me the
ornamental timber was not to be cut. I did not refer to the
ornamental timber. I assumed that I had been rightly in
formed that the whole of the timber was to be cut down. I
heard nothing from Mr. Windham to the effect that Gene-
ral Windham had been to Lawrence and Fry, and found
that they were the bona fide purchasers of the timber.
General Windham never made such an admission. Mr.
Windham said that his uncle, Gen. Windham, had made a
proposition to him to place his property in the hands of
trustees, to pay a nominal rent for Felbrigg, and to reside
there up to a certain age or year. He did not tell me when
that proposition had been made, but said that he had
refused the offer and spoke of a device on the part of his
relations generally to get possession of his property. He did
say he refused the offer because he thcught it was meant to
benefit General Windham and his children. He said, Gene-
ral Windham wanted me to place the property in my pos-
session in the hands of trustees, paping a nominal rent for
my own house at Felbrigg, and then that they would give
me a larger income out of the outlying property until 1859,
when I should come into the whole of the property. He
said he refused this, as the object was to benefit General
Windham and his children. He said General Windham cared
nothing for him personally, but only wanted to get the pro-
perty. I asked about Mr. and Mrs. Lewellyn, and how long
he had lived there. He said they were excitable people, but
he said something complimentary about Mrs. Lewellyn, and
that she had been kind to him. I did not endeavour to
elicit a laugh from Mr. Windham to judge of his manner of
laughing. It was one of my instructions to do so, but I did
not obey it. One of the instructions was " Mr. Windham's
fancy must be tickled to get him to laugh." I did not
think it necessary to follow these directions, but treated
Mr. Windham with great respect throughout. His
answers had to be repeated to enable Dr. Bright, who is
deaf, to hear. I did not observe that he showed anxiety
to change the conversation when subjects of a disagreeable
character were mooted. These two interviews were un-
doubtedly of a very trying character to Mr. Windham,
seeing that he knew the object of them. Ido not consider
that he went through the examinations very creditably.
There was no particular excitement exhibited by him.
There was nothing in his conduct or manner inconsis-
tent with the character and habits of a gentleman, but he
was very childish in his manner. I did ask him whether
he himself had not been sexually intimate with his wife
before her marriage, and he said he had not. Then I asked,
" Have you not said to others that you have ?" He
said he had not. On the second interview I repeated the
question pointedly to him, whether he had not made such
a statement, and he then remarked that he had said, " that
ho had had all he wanted out of his wife before mariage,"
but he added, "I said so out of a blind, not wishing other
parties to know what I was going to do." lam certain
that this was at the second interview. On reference to his
notes the witness admitted that this remark was made at
the first interview, and that there could not therefore have
been any contradiction at the second.

Examination continued—The contradiction must have
taken place at the first interview. I was informed by Mr.
Field that the gentleman with whom Mrs. Windham had
previously lived slept at her house the night before the
marriage, I did not ask him for any details of his debts.
He appeared to be sensible that he was in law liable for his
wife's debts; and added, that after a certain time he would
advertise in the papers that he would not be answerable for
any debts his wife might contract. I attached importance
to his answer as to what would be his feelings towards
Roberts if he found that he was the real purchaser of
the timber, and not Lawrence and Fry. I find my
entry in my notes, as Mr. Windham's answer to nay
observation on that point is, " I should like to
hear what they say in court before I decide." I heard
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of my instructions to get an admission from him as to
his livirlg in Piccadilly. Ido not know that he was spoken
to about Roberts's knowledge of timber. I did not ask him
whether Roberta was not knownby the name of "Mahogany"
Roberts, but I believe Dr. Mayo used the word. I first com-
municated the result of my investigation at a consultation
at Mr. M. Chambers's chambers. Ido not think from Mr
Windham's appearance, that any person seeing him would
come to the conclusion I have expressed. I cannot draw
the exact line of demarcation between sound and unsound
intellect. If I had had no information as to any facts com-
municated to me by Mr. Windham, I should still, from what
I saw of him, and from his answers to my questions, have
come to the conclusion that he was of unsound mind, and
incapable of managing himself and his affairs. On being
pressed upon this point, Dr. Winslow said—lndependently
of the data furnished to me, I should have had no means of
testing the state of his mind. I could not have come to
any decided opinion, unless I had the means furnished to
me to judge from, in combination with what I saw at the
personal interview.
By the Master—lf I had heard nothing of him before,
and had no previous facts or data to go upon, I should have
been very loth to have drawn the conclusion that Mr.
Windham was of unsound mind. I should have thought
him a man of weak intelligence, but I would not have certi-
fied to his unsoundness of mind.
The cross-examination of Dr. Winslow was still proceed-
ing when the time of adjournment arrived, and will be re-
sumed to-morrow (this day).

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Amount applied out of the Income for the Quarter ended Dec. 31, 1861, in
redemption of Exchequer Bills (Deficiency), for the Quarter ended Sept. 30,
1861, 3,962,612

Amount applied out of the Income to Supply Services, in the Quarter ended Dec.
31, 1861 , 9,589,024

Charge of the Consolidated Fund for the Quarter ended Dcc. 3L 1851, viz.:—
Interest of the Permanent Debt
Terminable Debt
34J,410

,:17;8 10 Interest of Exchequer Bills (Supply) 1135
Ditto ditto (Deficiency)
The Civil List
Other Charges on Consolidated Fund
Advances for Public Works, &c.

Surplug Balance in Ireland beyond the charge of the Consolidated Fund in Ire-
land, for the Quarter ended Dec. 31, 1801 .

7,90,191

982,491

£22,491,321