The Sun.
London, England, 1862-02-12 00:00:00

MPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF LORDS-YESTERDAY.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at fivPJ o'clock.
THE EDUCATIONAL MINUTE.

Lord BELPER. presented petitions against the new
educational minute from Derby and other places.

THE VOLUNTEERS.

Lord TRURO gave notice that on that day fortnight he
should call attention to the state of the volunteer move-
ment, and he should also ask whether it was the intention
of the Government to afford any further, and, if so, what
assistance.
HER MAJESTY'S ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS.
Earl ST. GERMANS brought up her Majesty's most
gracious answer to the address of their lordships on the
opening of Parliament, which was as follows :—" I return
you my most sincere thanks for your affectionate and dutiful
address, and specially for the manner in which you have
assured me of your feeling for the irreparable loss which
has been sustained by myself and country in the afflicting
dispensation of Providence which bows me to the earth,"
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—YESTERDAY.
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
Several private bills were introduced and read a first
time.
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PETITIONS.

Petitions were presented against the revised code of edu-
cation, complaining of the present mode of taxing fire in-
surance, on the subject of the right of search, &c.
NEW WRIT.
On the motion of Mr. BRAND, a writ was ordered to
issue for the borough of Leicester, vacant by the resigna-
tion of Mr. Biggs.

DUDE.
On the motion of Colonel FRENCH an address for
COPies of a letter from the Governor-General of India,
dated Sept. 7, 1861, on the subject of certain claims against
the State of Oude was agreed to.

SUGAR &e.
Mr. MOFFAT r moved for, returns relative to the im-
portation of sugar and other articles of foreign and colonial
produce.

AP4)LICATION OF MONEY VOTED BY PARLIA•

MENT.

Lord R. MONTAGU repeated the notice which he gave
yesterday for the appointment of a committee to whom
should be referred the consideration of all sums of money
voted for public purposes by the house, in order to secure
the proper application of the same.

THE COMMERCIAL TREATY WITH BELGIUM,
Mr. FORSTER gave notice that on going into commit-
tee of supply, he would ask the Under-Secretary of State
fer Foreign Affairs whether any new commercial treaty had
been concluded with Belgium P
PUBLIC EXPENDITURE.
Mr. WILLIAMS gave notice that on Tuesday, the
18th inst., he would ask whether it was the intention of
Government to introduce any bill on the recommendation
of the committee on the subject of public expenditure in

POOR LAW (IRELAND).
Sir It. PEEL gave notice that on Friday next he would
move for leave to bring in a bill to amend the law relating
to the relief of the poor in Ireland.
THE MURDER OF MR. WINCOTT.
Mr. LEWIS asked the Secretary of State for the Home
Department, whether his attention had been directed to the
recent murder of Mr. Wincott, in South-street, Manches-
ter-square, and to the investigation consequent thereon at
the Marylebone Police Court on Wednesday, the 6th Feb-
ruary ; and, if so, whether he intended to make any
inquiry into the reasons which induced the presiding
magistrate to sentence three of the men aiding and abetting
in the murder to the punishment of six weeks' and one
month's imprisonment respectively ?
Sir G. GREY said he knew nothing of the matter re-
lating to the murder of Mr. Wincott, except from what he
saw in the newspapers, but he supposed the magistrate
before whom the parties accused were brought slid not con-
sider he was justified in committing more than one of them
on the charge of wilful murder. However,
as he was informed the coroner's jury who investigated the
case had returned their verdict, the persons accused
would have to be tried, and under the circumstances he
thought it would be mostlmproper, for obvious reasons, to
say anything calculated to prejudice this case.
CANDIDATES FOR CIVIL SERVICE (INDIA.)
Mr. STACPOOLE asked the Secretary of State for India
'whether it was coneiderednecessary that the successful:can-
didates for Civil Service (India), residing in Ireland and
Scotland, should be required, as heretofore, to remain seve-
ral weeks in London, or to return thither from their re-
spective places of abode, to be inspected by a medical prac.
titioner in London ?
Sir C. WOOD said that it was thought necessary that
the existing practice should be adhered to, and the candi-
dates for appointments in India were paid very liberally
for their expenses.

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Mr. WRITE moved that, so soon as the estimates are
ready, one night in each week be given to their considera-
tion ; motions on going into committee of supply being on
that day not permitted, except by express permission of the
house. The hon. member entered at some length into de-
tails to show the necessity for an alteration in the present
mode of conducting the business of the huuse. Since 1835
the estimates for the army had doubled, and the naval and
civil service had trebled. He did hot wish to interfere with
the right of ample discussion on matters which private
members might deem expedient to bring forward; but he
contended that the alteration he proposed would not in the
slightest degree curtail the means of such discussion.
Having laid down the position that the house was entitled
to a greater control over public expenditure than it pos-
messed under the existing system, he urged some additional
arguments in support of his motion.
Mr. EWART seconded the motion, and considered that
the alteration suggested would effect the object proposed.
Whatever contributed to the despatch of business in that
house must be a public advantage.
Sir G. GREY said that although he voted against the
resolution brought forward last session on the subject, and
which embodied the views of the hon. member (Mr. White),
he agreed to the present motion in substance. He thought
that when motions for the discussion of the public estimates
stood on the paper, the Speaker should leave the chair with-
out any subject being brought forward, as at present on the
motion for that purpose. At the same time exceptions
might be made, and therefore any rule such as that pro-
posed by the motion of the hon. member (Mr. White) ought
not to be adhered to invariably. He repeated that he
ob-
jected to the form of the motion, which would not practi-
cally secure what the hon. member desired, but with some
modification it should have his support. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. PAULL objected to any alteration in the existing
practice on constitutional grounds, the theory of the con-
stitution being that grievances should be discussed before
pUllic money was voted. He drew attention to the fact
hat the subject was considere i before four committees,
but none of them had recommended the alteration proposed
by the hon. member for Brighton (Mr. White).
Mr. WILLIbIS supported the motion. He contended
that, according to the present practice, the interest of the
public was sacrificed, the time which should be devoted to
the consideration of public expenditure being too frequently
consumed in the discussion of subjects of a private
character, and in many instances of interest only to
the priva' e members who brought them forward.
The fact was, that these motions of private business very
frequently occupied the greater part of the evening, and
votes involving millions of expenditure were agreed to
when rho house was worn out, and perhaps only 20 mem-
bers present. (Hear.) He suggested also that the esti-
mates should be brought forward at an early period of the
session, and an early hour of the evening, which would
secure their full discussion.

TIIE ANSWER OF HER MAJESTY TO THE
ADDRESS.
Lord PROM', the Comptroller to the Royal Household,
brought up the reply of her Most Gracious Majesty to the
Address voted by the house, which was as follows :—" I
thank you sincerely for your loyal and dutiful Address, and
especially for your expression of condolence in the loss I
have sustained."

~.,, THE BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
4he debate on this subject was resumed.
Ms
mr..14441.LLp1E opposed the motion.
the m OLE said that the hon, member who pro-
posedmotion was motion apologised for doing so, but when the
hon. gentlsrouePtiPrcl by the approving cheers of so many
stead of being 'eead was quite sure that that apology, in-
who opposed the motion.
opinion rather to be offered by those
opinion on the subject, is. Entertaining as he did a strong
moo' the house to be a little on
its guard before it
wouldainy motion affecting their course ,
of proceeding which
the
niithe least degree diminish that i check and control Which
%unofficial members of the
house ought to have over executive government.
(Hear.) That was the main reaseo
g been, nututlZhY he
would
and
uwritten, but the un-
preserve
that which had alway
of that house—
namely, itten and prescriptive law
Government desired
namely, that on all occasions when thseteo
yougrbzot any point
to have money the unofficial members should be. entitled to
put any question to the Government, to
which required an answer, to suggest an
demanded a remedy, and to obtain some aasureaance Whichth
Government with respect to those matters before: the come
—e
mittee granted the money which would enable the Govern-
meatc"l to bring the session to a close without such matters
being attended to. (Hear.) He quite agreed with the hon,
member who seconded the motion, and also with the right
hon. baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Depart-
ment, that they would ensure greater certainty and regula-
rity in theft proceedings by going at once into committee
of supply. That was the only advantage they would gain
by the adoption of such a course ; but what would they
lose? (Hear.) If they went at once into committee of
supply, the first estimates taken would be those on the
army and navy. The estimates, then, for the great ser-
vieee of the country they would be asked to go into com-
mittee upon without any previous discussion whatever.
(Wear, hear.) If they went into committee at five o'clock
without any previous discussion upon those estimates, he 1