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IMP ERJ4L PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF PEERS,

FRIDAY, MAY!: I •

SCOTS APPEAL.

THE HON. MRS. HAMILTON FUTAARTON AND COL.
WNV. rULLARTON,- HER HUSOAND, V. SIR HEW
PALRYMPLS) OF NoR.TH .13.ERWICK3 BART.

Mr, CLARK, the second Counsel for the Appel-
la,nts, was finally heard at considerable length; af-
ter which their Lordships postponed the - further
hearing of the Case till Monday,
The various Bills ;before the House were for.
Warded in their respeaive stages.
Among these was-the Bill, entituled " A Bill, for
the Relief of Debtors with respe& to the Imprison-
" ment of their Persons," and introduced by the. Earl
of ROSLYN, while Lord Chancellor.
On this the House resolved into a Committee,
LordWALSINGHAM in
.the Chair, and the differ-
ent Clauses of the Bill .were assented to without any
observation on the part of their Lordships.
When the House had resumed, and the Report
Was made, the Earl of MOIRA said a few words,
hut in so IoW .a tone' of voicei 'that we could not
distinEtly hear the observation. 1 -
The Order Of theaDay 'was then' read, for their
Lordships going into a Committee on the Insolvent
Debtors' Bill, when -
The Earl of Mot RA. addressed:a few, words to
their Lordships, to the effect, as we could under-
stand the Nobk:' Earl, that . in consequence of his
proposing some farther alterations in , the Bill, he
rhould wish to defer the commitment of it which
proceeding seeming to meet the concurrence of their
Lordships,-the Noble'Earl moved,' " That the Or-
der of this •Day. be discharged, and a new one for
committing the Bill on 'Wednesday next be v_
pointed-.; which, on 'the question being put, was cr-
dered.accordingly.. • •
Their Lordships then, after cl4osing of some
routine business, adjourned till to-tnorrow.

.110 USA OF COMMONS,

FRIDAY, MAY I.

Ms.. jErktuts'Presenteci. several Petitions from
the inhabitants of Coventry, in favour of the
Coventry Poor Relief Bill,
Ivlr. XVILLIA:vt, BIRD presented some Petitions
against it.
Mr. Jura then moved the second reading of
the Coventry Poor . ,
Mr. W. BIRD said; if he had not previously
been inclined to objet' to this Bill; he should haVe
been so from what had passed upon this occasion.
There had been Petitions presented from, the Inha
bitants of Coventry, some in favour of, and. some .
against the Bill, and this•appeared to him a suffici-
ent reason why Any further proceeding. in the Pl.
bhoulit be at least put off for some time. He, then
entered into some general obje4ions to the Bill,
which he did not think was calculated to afrord any
relief to the Poor ; .on the 'contrary, it appeared to
him rather in the light of a Job. He thereforecon.
clu4vd with moving, " That the second reading of
the Bill be put .off tor six months." •
KE.6'NE said a few words, which we did not
distinetly hear. •
Mr. lEFFERYS'eti.d, he. rose under circum-
stances. of great *disadvantage to .oppose the great
local information of his Hon. „Friend and Colleague,
but there being decidedly, many respectable persons
of Coventry to take up the Bill, which. his .1-lon
Friend had forsaken, he had endeavoured, by corn-
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mpication with persons of the first intelligence-
-ups) the subjefl, to gain all the information he
could. He really believed the measure proposed to
be not only necessary to the relief of the City of
Coventry, but necessary to-its very existence. The
Poor Rates were at an amount scarcely to be borne ;
the, number of Out. Poor very great and unem.

}Toyed ; and' the Poor in the Work-house employed-
were very.few, and the produce of their work of no
consideration. The necessity of:a. general Work-
house on a large scale was in the greatest degree
necessary. At present, those in the Work-houses
were so limited for room, that part of them were
obliged to sit up while others slept, and that .six,
seven, and eight children slept In one bed.—The
surgeon attending them had cleclarel his opinion,
that an epidemic disorder must be-the consequenCe,
if they•continued under the. present.systetn. With,
regard to the charge of the proposed Measure being
a ;Job, Mr, JEZiEIA.YS said. he not only .thought
such 'n charge could. not 'be made out,. but that he
was confident. any hint proposed by an Member,
in tl:e progress of the Bill tlirCi.tlgh,,tjle tend-
ing to us improvement, would be, most' ratefully
received by the Promoters of the Measure', His
Colleague in adverting to the Petitions he had
pivsented upon ibC..stkloje.tt, had omitted one whiCh.
-Mr. jEF.t,rit*s'tbouett of;sotneimportanc to xnert.
Lion, namely, the Pe.t tioq praying for leave to britsg
in this. Bill, of 'which he was now so strenuous ail
opposer. in answer to the Petitions preseitted against;
the measure,' itminaating a danger-to the tradirig
i: to rilsts of the from, the. monopoly cif a
nufaaory, Mr. Jul. EkYs,said was intectied 'to
11' ploy those' of the 1.3(..):'.r applying for relief, in the
_trades -in which thq had been • accustomed to
work, thereby. procuring by their..labour some means
to defray the cxpences of their support, ancikeeping
them front The destruaive :habits of idleness and
l)egging. In reply to the remark of his Hon. Friend
on ihe.petition from the Mayor and Corporation in
favour of the wcasnre, that it was presented by as
many as Could '‘vrite, Mr, JEFFERYs begged to
observe, that the Mayor of Coventry was a well-
Oucated. accernplibed man, aid very zealous in the
discharge.Of duty. Mr. J Er FE ItY S said,. he had
pndertatcen this measure at The desire of his Consti-
pcnts, not wishing, to court popularity on one side,
or tfearing to•lase it on. the other ; he had aeled
solely in the
,conscientious discharge of what he
conceived to lie Isis duty ; and had his -ion. Friend
• cont.-t0i1:33 to snpport the ,measare, Mr. J F PE it YS
sari,he ,bould very readily liay.:bepn. contented to
•—•- • • •
g;ye nF,sistanco,
.11aving no ambition (from a
• •
nowledge of cwp incompetency) to place him,

self in A oonspitutua situation, in the discharge. of
the duties of that House.

Sir. R.: HILL expressed his astonishment thar
any-Opposition could be made to this Bill, which lie
considered as absoNtely,necessqy to'affoid -relief to"
thc Poor of. that-City, who were in a state of die_
greatest misery. This measure had been represent-
ed as a Job ; if it was a Job, it was one, in 'his'
opinion, that would prcive highly beneficial to .
the Poor, and, therefore, be should give is his sup.
port.
Sir R. BUXTON said, he did not think incor-
pprated HouSes, in the ,Country,..wUre in general
.advantage Ons, 'though he had alwayS found them to_
be so, in Cities and.-large H(knew no-,
t_hing.Of the City, of Coireriiry;
,but he knew that
the populous• City of•Norivich could not, have gong,
on- without a plan of this kind; and'he as astonish-
ed how they had managed so long without it in
Coventry.
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Sir R. PEEL and Mr. S. LE FEVRE opposed. the
Pill,

After a few words from Sir WM. YOUNG .1.1
favour of the Bill, the House divided,

For Mr. BIRD'S Motion -2Z
'Against it. - 84.

Majority
The Bill was then read a second tine.

EGYPT. "--
Mr. JONES said, heshould trouble the House very
shortly, in moving for some further Papers respeaing
the Convention for the evacuation of Egypt. If the
late accounts which we had heard'froin that part of the
world were 'true, he did not know whether he should
not be tempted to anticipate. Ministers, and to pro--
pose 'Votes of Thanks to'ohr brave Officers and
Men, for their gallant exertions. But whatever
these events might have been, lie still thought him.
self justified'in calling for further• Papers respeaing
the Convention of El Arish, in addition to those
Papers which a Noble t?ord.(HAwittsaulty) in a fit,
of generosity, laid before the House. But even if
the .Papers for which he was now about to move,.
were refused him, lie believed he might venture to
go to trial upon the . evidence already before, the
House. His chjca in making this Motion was,
that the *hole truth shouldbc known, and he trust,
ed he. should not be told that he bad not laid any.
Parliamentary grounds for his Motion: He then
`concluded With -moving. for Copies'of the Instruc.
• mils sent to Lord ELGIN, respeaing -the evactia-
tiori of Egypt.; of• the Cotrespondence lAiween His
Majesty's Ministers, .Lord :ELGIN,. Sir SIDNEY
SMITH, &c. respeaing the said Convention,-,and of
the last Treaty between Hts.MittEsTrand the OT,
TOMAN PORTE. • • •-•'"
- Lard HAIVKESAURY sa cl,'`that the frOn.
Gentleman had Stated:no ground
iwhatevr in sup....
port of his Motion, it could not be. exaePed that,
he should trotible the' HOuse, at ,xiy length. He
. rose merelytO state his reason Thr elOpOsng.the
non.. should- always"conceive it to he his duty
to lay • before'Pnrliatnettf 'such trli and such DU-
, cuments, as would enable- them .to, forma corretl
judgnient upon the-Subjet4, -but he did not think it
. parliamentary to -iiroduc2 Papers, 'when no reason
whatever h:".1 been assigned . for their protlitaion.
As to.the Papers Mil& he, had the honour of lay-
ing before the House, 'they were produeed; because
a case had been laid -before the -House sufficient to
call for their procluftiOn, viz.-a charge hating been
made by the French Goreint:l.Pu, that Si r'S.: .SratTu.
had acted upcin that occasion, .with frill Powers.
On these grounds he had stated: tci• the House, that
' he was' ready to produce any instruftions, given, to
that Officer. These Papers were -laid:- before 'the
House, and
.they .proved that. the only powers given
to Sir SIDNEY SmITH, were to negotiate, con.'
• jointly' with his Brother, a Treaty ..between this
Country and the Porte.. He was not instructed to
aft as a Plenipotentiary in, any concerns, with any
other Power. As to the conduct of that—very- re.
speaable Officer, (and no man .respcaed him more,
or valued his services more highly'than did)' it
could only Italie arisen from an erroneous opinion of
his PoWers. The .origi•zial Charge which was '
brought upop this subject :was,' that "Sir 'Sturm's,'
had afted in his Military Qapactity, and it Was Con_
! tended, that in that charaaser- he wasjustified: in'
• concluding tbe,Treaty. He did not mean'to -deny
that 'a Commander in Chief Might not,- iii particu-
lar 'cireuMstances, use his, own discretion, but he
maintained,'-that; upon this occasion;'''Sir.Si DNEY
SMITH did not of in his Military Capacity. If
the French Poperal had..se,en .the PoWeiv•of that
Officer, he'wonld have;seen that he didritit aa'
that capacity. But he wished the'.HOuse- to eon-,
shier, what was the seguel'of :this transaaion: ,HAs-
soon as the English GoverpmenekneW that Sir-Stn..'
NEY was a party to the Treaty,. orders were sent
out to fulfil it in the strictest manner. The ques_
t ion now before ihenouse- was entirely. iticl.4endet,t
l othe instruetiOns_ which. were.'giyv-is to
~prevent
the Evacuation of Egypt ; but if e6en ..thqt-i point
shy uld bc discussed, he was ready.to meet it, and
to state, that if .he had been in 'His Majesty%
Councils at. that time, 'he should hive given.the
same advice. If, under the:circtimstances,in which
FfurOpe was then placed, a contrary policy. had, been
adopted, then Ministers would' have been accused for
!Ming ruined the affairs of our Allies hob', by
so large a fince eb escape from Europe to
attack them. He•would trot" take up any more of
the- time of the House, beCause no Parliamentary
Grounds had been laid for the Motion,. and ,the
Papers already before. the House, proved that so
far from there being any breach of faith of our Go-
vernment, that they had aaed.-with the most scru-
pulous adherence tosood'faith'.
•
Mr. NICHOLLS suposted the Motion, and said,
that' if that Convention' had .rit.been violated, we
should have obtained as Much advantage by it as
eve had now sacrificed 3000 men to obtain, ;,i;
-129850 N alSo spoke in favour of:AN:Mo-
tion, and, was proccediat,to,comment upon a, great
variety of topics, when -he was called to order by
• Sir IY. ELFORP, who said, that the Hon. Gen-
' tleman's Observations were not relevant to the ques.
'lion, before the House.,
The SPEAKER said, it was rather difficult to
fpllow the Honourable 'Member tbrotigh hisargu-

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