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London, England, 1862-06-17 00:00:00

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TRANSFER OF LAND BILL (LORDb).
On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Sir H. CAIRNS moved that it be referred to a select
committee. He was desirous that the bill should pass this
session, but from its importance it was necessary that it
should pass in the most perfect form possible. It had.
been said that this measure was merely a permissive
bill, but that was only true in a limited sense, and the
result of the measure in its present state would be to bring
the purchaser of an estate into conflict with the owners owould.
f
surrounding estates whose titles to their properties
have to be investiote,d. The result of this would be that
there would be endless disputes and litigation. (Hear.)
With the greatest respect to the opinion of the Upper House,
from whom the bill had come, he tho Lght the course he recom-
mended would be most conducive to public interest. Ho
drew the attention of hon. members to the fact that there
was not an entire concurrence of opinion amongst tho
members of the house as to all the provisions of the bill
and he analysed at some length the sth and -three
con"
lowing clauses, which he considered required
ti's
alteration. He denied that there
any identity between this bill and the Eneunibered Estatedes-
Court in Ireland, from which it was said to have
been
rived.
Mr, COLLIER said that if this bill were referred to a
select
from its committee it would be strangled, for the hOuse /mist
know
experience that in the case of any bill :el'crred
to a select committee at that period of the year, it ,)uld
be extremely difficult to secure the attendance of meinbeni
on a committee upstairs. But were it otherwise, he did.
not think the measure required to be considered before a
select committee, as the subject had been ventilated for the
last 30 years, and how could it be expected that when there
were so many other measures to be legislated on for the re-
mainder of the session, members could devote their time
exclusively to this bill, notwithstanding its importance.
Mr. WALPOLE considered that it would be savinte: the
time of the house if the bill were referred to a select commit-,
tee, and that the bill would be improved b
which he considers.-
tion it would receive from the tribunal to it was pro-
' posed to submit its details.
Mr. MALINS said that he had already expressed his
opinion that this bill was not worth paseing, and that no
select committee could improve it to an extent that would.
render it worth passing. For that reason he itra.s not pre-
pared to give the bill any active opposition ; and he agreed.
that referring the measure to a select committee would. have
the effect of strangling it for this session.
Mr, SCULLY opposed the reference of the bill to a select
committee, and contended that no evidence off any voter in
be
addition to what had been previonsly d could
brought before any select committee.
Mr. ROLT supported the amendment for referring the
bill to a committee,
Sir F. GOLDSMID opposed the amendment, as he con-
sidered the details of the bill could be efficiently discuesed
in a committee of the whole house.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that the duty of
the Goverument was to pass this bill without delay, aide
rd
therefore their course was to ask the whole house to dec
on the bill without a preliminary enquiry, which would.
endanger its passing this session.
A few remarks by Mr. HADFIELD, in support of the
amendment, brought the debate to a close, and on a
divi-
sion the amendment was negatived by 180 to 124.
The house then went into committee, and proceeded with
•
the consideration of the varietts clauses of the bill.
On reaching the 14th clause, the house resumed, and, at
a quarter-past 12 o'clock, the Chaim:All reported progress.
The order of the day for considering
ate report of com-
mittee of supply gave rise to some discussion upon the vote
for Britium, which elicited all. • explanation from
thethe CHANCELsh
LORMuse of the EXCELECLUER, in _defence of the
late bill of the Government for the purchase of land and
construction of buildings for the reception of the natural
history collection at South Kensington. The right hon.
gentleman stated that, viewing the Museum as an institu-
tion which was likely to require considetable extensions,
the Government did not deem it wise 'to proceed with such
extensions upon a site so costly as that of Bloomsbury. He
could not, therefore, hold out any expectation that they
would consent to adopt the recommendation to
opurchase
land for the extensions at Bloomsbury at the rate 450,000
an acre, when it could be obtained at South Kensington for
V. 0,000 ; and he was not prepared to submit any Owls to
the house upon the subject in the course of the present

session.
Lord 11. LENNOX expressed himself is favour of eel's,
ration of the collections, and decidedly preferred
Kensington as the site. The land there was cheaper, and
the estate a large one. He suggested, above all, Kensing.
ton as a site, because it was known the Albert Memorial
was to be erected opposite Kensington Gore,and bethought
South
that if collections were moved there, the new Museum of
Natural History would make a suitable portion of that
great memorial which the nation was anxious to raise to the
memory of the Prince Consort.
The report was then agreed to.
The Artillery Ranges Bill and the Naval and Victual..
ling Stores Bill were passed through committee.
On the order for v
33i1l a second time,
Major KNOX moved as an amendment that it be read u
second time that day three months.
Discussion ensued, and ultimately, at the suggestion of
Lord NAAS, Sir R. Peel consented to withdraw the bill for
the present session.
The order for the second reading was thereupon dig..
charged.
The order for reading the Courts of Justice Building
Bill was also discharged.
The Discharged Prisoner.' Aid Bill was read a the
time and passed.
Sir G. GREY obtained leave to bring in bills for the safe
keeping of petroleum, and to amend the law rel,ating tO
coal mines.
The house aijourned at a quarter to two o'clock.