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ously supported by the noble lord the member for
Hastings, with a voice and manner of such sonorous
and rhetorical solemnity, that one might have ima-
gined for a moment that the veto under debate was as
serious and momentous a subject of discussion as the
Royal Veto of King Louis XVI. at the outbreak
of the French Revolution—the clause was declared
in favour of upon a division in committee : 145
voting for it, and 162 against it. So that it was
retained by the decision of a clear majority of
seventeen. The rest of the clauses, with a little
wrangling here and there, passed muster pretty
fluently. Once, and once only, was the equaminity
of the bated Minister in any way seriously dis-
turbed, and then merely for a few moments by a
more than usually galling insinuation blurted out
by the hon. member for Devizes. The worst
is now, we may rejoice to know, over, in
regard to the more serious obstructions raised
against this the grandest of all our great metropo-
litan improvements. Time, money, and labour
will hereafter slowly perfect above-ground the
subterranean works now rapidly advancing
towards their completion ! Perfect these works,
that is to say, by adding to the useful and salubri-
ous Main Drainage scheme the useful and magni-
ficent scheme of a Thames Embankment.

Lord PALMERSTON got quite in a passion with the
member for Rochdale last night, and we do not
much wonder at it. He began, as excited people
are very apt to do, by telling the House of the
,t quietness" of his mind under Mr. COBDEN'S " ac-
cusations." But the excitement of our veteran Pre-
mier soon began to show itself by his declaring him-
self ‘` proud" of the attacks of the hon. member.
By his informing him, as Lord RUSSELL did Mr.
BRIGHT years ago, that he " went beyond his last"
when he discussed the question of the defences of
the country—that he was a commercial sage, but a
naval and military ignoramus—a " dangerous ad-
viser"—" blind and infatuated," and so forth, after
which the noble lord cooled down sufficiently to
repeat his usual arguments, though still working
them at a pretty high temperature, if not at a white
heat.

The truth is that though our Premier is, in the
main, right enough, he and Mr. COBDEN are two
old antagonists. They are both men of extraor-
dinary geniality and good temper, and yet they
cannot help getting a little hot with each other;
the real aim of both is the same. Mr. COBDEN has
the advantage generally in the appeal to facts,
and the understanding; Lord PALMERSTON in
the appeal to popular feeling and sentiment. As
the latter is the one to gain votes, the lord
is generally successful ; but as facts and
reasoning based on them, cannot be denied, the
commoner comes in afterwards, and too frequently
" takes the shine" out of the Premier's success.
This is very provoking. The argument—"l can
show that Lord PALMERSTON has already duped
you, therefore beware of being duped now," is
above all annoying, and it was the argument of
this kind which drove our Premier last night to
mingle so much personal vituperation with his
statements. The country, however, needs both
men, and is proud of both. We need them to check
each other. COBDEN desires us to be as wealthy as
he can make us, and would waste the smallest
possible amount of public money on fleets, armies,
and forts which he thinks little likely to be wanted,
and which is sinking so much capital unproduc.
tively. He wants the ten millions a year which
Lord PALMERSTON spends in excess, to be in our
pockets, or rather fructifying in the processes of
trade. Lord PALMERSTON'S policy is directed,
nominally, to national security, really to national
power. He is not indifferent, of course, to our
wealth, indeed, it is an obvious source of power ;
but his Lordship was trained in the school which
saw England triumphant against the world in arms,
and he glories in her displaying now a navy, an
army, and fortifications and dockyards which shall
proclaim her the mightiest nation in Christendom.
The mightiest for aggressive purposes.
We apprehend that this is the secret of Lord
PALMERSTON'S vulnerability under Mr. COBDEN'S
attacks. If he could speak openly—if he
could say, give me a ninepenny Income-tax
that England may stand at the head of the na-
tions—that her guns afloat may outnumber
in every sea those of all other nations put together
Mr, COBDEN'S remarks would fall harmless. They
are pointed by Lord PALMERSTON'S aiming at power
and arguing only for defence. His demands ob-
viously far exceed all that can be needed for our
home defence in a state of peace. His own best
military authorities have shown that they could do
quite as well without his forts as with them, per-
haps better; and his own official reports on the state
of the French Navy left him completely aground—
that is, so far as anything like urgency for defen-
sive preparations was concerned. He was left
without a case at all for spending any extraordinary
amount of money, at a time especially when the
national income is so jeopardised by the cotton dif-
ficulty and its consequences. His lordship evi-
dently feels all this, and his only defence last night
was that of first " abusing the plaintiff's counsel,"
next dealing in generalities and platitudes about
the temptation our wealth would be to other na-
tions, and about preserving peace by preparing for
war.

Lord PALMERSTON'S difficulty with the past is
much the same as with the present. Mr. COBDEN
unanswerably showed that there had been no foun-
dation whatever for the view which has on such
high authority been forced upon us, of the attempt
under the Empire to outbuild England in ships.
The evidence is conclusive that under Louis PHI-
LIPPE the French navy was more nearly equal to
our own than at any time during the Empire.
Neither Lord PALMERSTON nor any one else yen.
tured to impugn these statements, but here again
his Lordship was fighting with his right hand tied.
Could he have explained his own clever scheme--
could he have told the house that knowing well the
country would not submit to pay seventy millions
a year to enable its Government to speak with
authority in Foreign Courts, though it would
submit to anything to be safe—that he must
therefore alarm the public to obtain what he
aimed at under the name of national defence, all
would have been clear enough. We do not mean to
impute dishonesty to his Lordship. The supremacy
of England is an ambition worthy of a statesman ;
mayhe honestly believe it to be the proper
ambition of England's Government; but in
this commercial age, and with two or three
Popular tribunes to face, who were on the watch to
ent down popular taxation, he well knew that the
object of his legitimate ambition could not be ob-
tained, unless he could reach it by a circuitous

route.

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is of doubtful worth ; and, what we must hold with
the highest of our military engineering authori-
ties to be even worse than useless.

Lord NORMANBY again And what now, the I
reader will ask ? Is it the virtues of the expelled
Dukes
Kings, or the sufferings of unhappy
Italy
h
arbitrary, oppressive, and cruel
government of VICTOR Em
MANUEL ? The latter
under
e
this time. The South is in a horrible state again,
or rather has never been in any other since
the pious, intelligent, and amiable son of King
BOMBA took up his quarters at Rome. Sixteen
thousand persons crowd the prisons, the Italian
Minister of Justice does not deny it. Hardly any
one votes at the elections; torture is practised in
the prisons to extort confessions; Mr. GLADSTONE
seems to meddle with Italian affairs, which must
be acknowledged to be very unbecoming when we
have a paid Foreign Secretary. Could not Lord
RUSSELL give him some information to soothe his
sorrows for unhappy, ruined Naples ?
Our Foreign Secretary, alas, had but little infor-
mation to give the noble marquis ; and unfortu-
nately what he had, and what Lord HARROWBY,
who has recently been to Italy, had also to give
was but small comfort to a lord, whose greatest
joy would have been to learn that Italy had gone
to the dogs, and that only FRANCIS 11. and his
favourite dukes could save it from ruin. On the
contrary, the Italians will be contented and pro-
sperous. They will prefer to forget their provin-
cial distinctions and to be Italians. If there are
cases of torture, of which no one here but Lord
NORMANBY knows, the presumption is that the old
gaolers have, without knowledge of the Govern-
ment, resumed Bourbon practices. Even Mr.
BISHOP is treated with all consideration, having
a room to himself, and only complaining of the
delay of his trial, a delay owing to the jury lists
not having been made out till the 7th. It was
about to commence. So good a witness as Lord
HARROWBY assures us that there is improvement
moral and material in every direction ; that the
idea of Italian unity has been realised in a way no
one expected. That as to brigands, only five out of
fifteen provinces were troubled, and the brigands
were the vilest men—men whom not an officer of
even the old Bourbon army would head. The
country was, in fact, protected almost entirely
by the National Guards, the strongest
evidence surely of its perfect content-
ment with its Government. We must wish
that Lord NORMANBY could take a journey to Italy.
It would save Lord RUSSELL many interpretations,
since Lord HARROWBY assured him that he would
"return a devoted friendof the existing Government
instead of singing now the last dying song of the
Bourbons."

One fact must have been truly painful to the
melancholy Marquis. Lord RUSSELL confirmed
the reports that Russia and Prussia have agreed to
recognise the new kingdom; we only fear the Mar-
quis may have consolation in this sorrow,
which be to the friends of Italy a cause of
sadness. There is every reason to fear that
the two powers have demanded in return
Italy shall give up Venetia quietly. If that be so,
if any binding, or even moral, obligation be en-
tered into to sacrifice the last 2,000,000 of Italians
in this way, though perhaps a present relief, it
will prove a final difficulty. We cannot, however,
believe, that RATTAZZI and the KING dare to com-
promise their position in the eyes of Italians. It
is of more consequence to them to sustain the
national spirit than to gain the recognition of
twenty. Czars and Kings.

Their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess
d'Aumale entertained a select party at dinner last evening
at Orleans House. Later in the evening her royal highness
had a theatrical performance.
His Highness the Prince Maharajah Duleep
Singh has arrived at Claridge'sHotel from Mulgrave Castle.
The Earl of Wilton entertained at dinner last
evening, at the family mansion, Grosvenor-square, the
Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar, the Prince and Princess
Hermann of Saxe-Weimar, Prince Edward of Saxe-Weimar,
the Duke of Cambridge, the Count and Countess de Flahault
and Miss de Flahault, the Duchess of Manchester, Maria
Marchioness of Ailesbury, the Earl and Countess of Derby,
the Earl and Countess of Malmesbury, Viscount Sydney,
the Marquis of Hartington, Lot d Dunkellin, and Mr, Chas.
Leslie. - i•

The Earl and Countess of Zetland leave town
to-day for Aske and Marsh Halls, Yorkshire.
The Earl and Countess Fortescue has arrived at
the Dowager Countess Fortescue's, in Grosvenor-square
after a lengthened residence abroad. Earl Fortescue's
health is quite restored.
ADELPHI THEATRE.—Last night the celebrated
drama, "The Dead Heart," by Mr. Watts Phillips, was
revived at this theatre, Mr Benjamin Webster sustaining
his original part of Robert Laundry. Mr. Webster was
very warmly welcomed on making his appearance by a very
full house, and throughout the drama acted with more than
his usual excellence.
M. TITALBERG'S IVIATINEEs.—The fourth and
last took place yesterday, when the Hanover-square Rooms
were so crowded that even the orchestra overflowed with
visitors, who almost blocked up the staircase by which the
grand "virtuoso" made his entry and exit; while people
were actually seated on the window-ledges, sooner than be

sent away.
MONDAY POPULAR CONCERTS. —The"looth Mon-
day Popular Concert" took place yesterday evening in the
presence of the largest audience ever assembled in St.
James's-hall. On no occasion—not even during the me-
morable " Jenny Lind night", at her Majesty's Theatre, 15
years ago--do we remember such an eager invasion at the
doors of a public exhibition. It is calculated that little
short of 1,000 persons were sent away, for whom it was im•
possible to find any sort of accommodation.
INTERESTING TO SLEEPERS IN CHURCHES.—
The People's Gazette of Berlin has the following curious
paragraph :—Many Protestant clergymen in Germany
having complained that persons of both sexes are in the
habit of sleeping during the sermon, a new plan has been
adopted to keep them awake. The beadles, furnished with
long wands, keep moving about the church and lightly
touch those whom they catch napping. This plan has
been already tried with success in the Duchy of Saxe-
Gotha."

It is rumoured that an action of damages has
been raised against a daily newspaper here by Theresa
Longworth—as she must now be called—for a libel con-
tained in a leading article commenting on the case decided
last week by the jury, in which James Walker, Esq., of
Dairy, was defender.—North. British Mail.
RAILWAY BILLS.—Yesterday a committee, con-
sisting of Lords Steward, Stradbroke, Portman, Overstone,
and Churaton, inquired into the circumstances connected
with the fictitious petition presented to the house in con-
nection with the East Gloeestershire Railway. The per-
sons examined were—W. Isaacs, clerk to Mr. Boodle, so-
licitor, of Cheltenham ; 3. Preston, town crier of Chelten-
ham; R. S. Lingwood, solicitor, of Cheltenham; and C.
W. Maisey, his clerk. After a minute categorical exami-
nation, the delinquents were admonished and dismissed. A
committee, consisting of Earl Grey, chairman, and Lords
Clarina, Harris, Hunsdon, and Carew, considered the bill
of the Vale of Neath Railway, which was passed ; and sub-
sequently that of the Merthyr, Tredegar, and Abergavenny
Railway, which they intimated they were prepared to pass
conditionally on the insertion of clauses for making the line
double, and giving running powers to the West Midland
before the leasing powers take effect. The bills of the Car-
marthen and Cardigan Railway and Mid-Wales deviations,
being unopposed, were referred to Lord Redesdale's com-
mittee, in which the Kettering and Thrapstone, Edin-
burgh, Perth, and Dundee, and Fife and Kinross were
passed. General traffic evidence was adduced in favour of
the Shrewsbury and Hereford Railway, and Mr. Alderman
Copeland, M.P., and other manufacturers in the Potteries,
were examined in favour of the Wellington, Drayton, and
Newcastle. The settlement of the clauses of the North
British Amalgamation Bill occupied the day. Mr.Sann-
ders, secretary of the Great Western, was the principal
witness examined on the Ellesmere and Oswestry lines of
that company.

SNOW IN JULY.—A correspondent in Dingwall
informs us that the highest part of Ben-Wyvis, which
overlooks Docharty, was covered with a coating of snow on
Wednesday morning.— Inverness Courier.

ROYAL INSTITUTION OF GREAT BRITAIN.—At
the general monthly meeting yesterday, Win. Pole, Esq.,
F.R.S,, Treastrer and Vice- l'resident, in the chair
William Radford, M.D., and William Ranger, Esq,, C.E.,
were elected members of the Royal Institution.

JULY 8, 1862.

LATEST NEWS.

NAPLES, JULY 7 (Evening).

A rumour is current that Chiavone, with two of
his followers, has been killed in a desperate combat
with the French, in the Picco mountains.

MADRID, JULY 7 (Evening).
M, Mon has tendered his resignation as President
of the Chamber of Deputies.
It is asserted that the Government has not decided
whether to accept it or not. A decision will be
arrived at to-morrow.