The Sun.
London, England, 1862-02-08 00:00:00

MET.RO.POLI2',IN .BOARD OF W ORES.

act of courtesy to Mr. Cowper, and such an act as
would be shown to any vestry who might the ap-
plication. He hoped they would inquire into the
subject by means of a committee, and, if that
committee should be willing, he had no doubt
that funds might be found to carry out the work
independently of those derived from direct taxation.
He hoped, therefore, as men of business, that no
further time would be lost in discussing that ques-
tion, but, having several other things before them
for their consideration, he hoped they would at once
refer it to a committee.

The usual meeting of the Metropolitan Board of
Works was held yesterday at the office in Spring-
gardens, Mr. J. Thwaites in the chair. The Board
was numerously attended.
The financial statement was presented, which
gave the following cash balances in the hands of the
treasurer :—Current accounts, £66,795 12s. 7d.;
deposit accounts, £66,000; total, £132,795 12s. 7d.;
Government Securities, New Three per Cent. An-
nuities, £68,813 17s. sd. Payments were ordered
to the amount of £6,975165. 2d.
THE PROPOSED YEW ROAD ACROSS HYDE PARK.

Mr. BRISTOW, M.P., said the matter was not so
small a question as was supposed by the hon. deputy
from the city of London, but the real question sub-
mitted to them by Mr. Cowper was—Would this
Board undertake to make the road, and also pay
for it ? He looked upon this as an attempt to tax
this Board for improvements out of the funds of
the ratepayers, but he denied that this was an im-
provement of an urgent nature. He hoped they
would tell the First Commissioner that they were
not prepared to make the road at the expense of
the ratepayers.

This day was appointed for the consideration of
the letter of the Right Hon. W. Cowper, First Com-
missioner of Works, in reference to the proposed
new road across Hyde-park, and which was laid
before the Board at its last meeting.
Mr. ECKETT moved the following resolution :
" That considering there are many public improve-
ments required in the metropolis which are of
greater importance than that of making a new road
across the property of the Crown in Hyde-park, and
which the Board at present cannot effect from not
having suitable means for that purpose, this Board
therefore does not deem it expedient that it should
undertake the making of the proposed new road
across Hyde Park." In moving this resolution, he
said he was not wedded to any particular form of
resolution, but was willing to accept any other
terms by which the opinion of the Board could be
expressed that they were unable to carry out the
plan by means of the taxation of the ratepayers.
He was decidedly of opinion that they ought not to
,undertake so expensive a work, or could they re-
commend that it should be effected by means of a
toll levied on those persons using the road ?
Mr. BROOKER seconded the motion.
Mr. ROCHE moved as an amendment, "That the
letter of Mr. Cowper, of the 30th of January, 1862,
be referred to the Streets Committee for considera-
tion and report." He said it appeared to him in the
resolution which Mr. Eckett had proposed that
his only object in moving it was to get rid of
this question, and he did not seem to care in what
way that was to be accomplished. The question
was one of great importance, this road having been
required for more than 20 years, and at the present
time it had become one of absolute necessity. There
was no doubt that there would be an immense
number of carriages going to the Great Exhibition
from the western and north-western districts, but
to get to it they must traverse a circuit of between
one and two miles. The whole of the traffic from
the Great Western Railway and also from other
parts would have to pass down Park-lane, where it
would meet with a flow from the south, and from
thence it would struggle on to Brompton, where
the obstruction would be still further aggravated,
until it finally reached the Great Exhibition. Park-
lane was too narrow for the traffic already
passing down it, and there was in fact no real lead-
ing communication between the western and
southern parts of the metropolis. There were few
members of the Board but who would admit the
necessity of this improvement, and the only ques-
tion they had to consider was, where the funds
were to come from to effect it. He referred to some
Parliamentary returns for the purpose of showing
that the sums levied in the metropolis for local im-
provements were considerably below those which
were paid by the inhabitants of many of the large
towns of the kingdom. The taxation of the metro-
polis was inferior, and below that of Birmingham,
Plymouth, Portsmouth, and many other towns of
the kingdom. He stated, on his own responsibility,
that the metropolis had less local taxation than any
of the towns he had mentioned. The Government
was not compelled to make the roads of the metropo-
lis, but they told the Metropolitan Board of Works
that they would give them the necessary land o make
these roads, The member for St. Pancras (Mr. Wil-
kinson) had told them that the road would be en-
joyed by millions of persons who had been invited,
and who would flow into London during the present
year, and he thought that was a strong reason why
the road should be made. He saw no reason why
the people of London should do less than was done
by the inhabitants of Birmingham or Manchester,
who did not ask them to pay for their roads. They
did not ask others to pay, and when visitors went
there they had the benefit of them. It was said that
the new road might be carried out by means of a
turnpike trust, but it would be to the shame et the
Metropolitan Board of Works if they were t--,r
to carry out this road by means of a turnpne" *l,
If the Board refused to make the road, and the First
Commissioner of Works should be compelled to go
to Parliament, he would say to the House of Com-
mons that he had a most disagreeable task to per-
form, because the Metropolitan Board of Works had
neglected its duty and ignored its responsibility.
When the Board wanted to build the palace in
which they were then assembled they found no dif-
ficulty in borrowing £15,000, the payment being
spread over three years, and if they wanted to bor-
row £30,000 for a great public improvement they
would find they would have as little difficulty in
borrowing that sum, to be spread also over a period
of three years. A. great many metropolitan im-
provements were required, but none of them at the
present time were so pressing as the road across
Hyde-park. (Cries of" Holborn-hill.") Holborn
hill had been mentioned, and there was no difficulty
in getting up Holborn hill, but if this road was not
made it would be impossible for thousands to get
to the Great Exhibition, unless at a considerable
sacrifice of time. (Hear.) If that Board did not
make the road the First Commissioner of Works
must resort to other sources, and make the road by
means of a toll, which would have the effect of ex-
citing discontent among the public, and would re-
flect great di.grace on the part of the Metropolitan
Board of Works for having neglected its duty. He
concluded by moving his amendment.
Mr. LE BRETON seconded the motion, and in doing
so said he should desire that the subject should be
referred to a committee, so that it might be
thoroughly discussed and its importance fully exa-
mined; believing that, if they should determine to
make the road, the parish of Marylebone, St. Pan-
cras, and other surrounding parishes would be will-
ing to contribute towards the expense. He agreed
entirely in the observation of the mover of this mo-
tion, that if the Board should decline to make the
road it would neglect its duty and ignore its re-
sponsibility. The Board had liberally contributed
towards the improvements of the city of London,
but if it refused to make the road there would be
only one small approach to the Great Exhibition,
which would be attended with the greatest public
inconvenience.

Mr. DOULTON said the hon. member (Mr. Bristow)
had challenged the argument used by Mr. Deputy
Harrison, but he contended that in respect of every
improvement which had been brought before them,
such as the lowering of Holborn-hill, the abolition
of Middle-row, the making of parks, and other
works of a like character, the invariable practice
had been to send such matters to a committee for
consideration ; but they were now coolly asked to
throw the whole thing aside at once, and to tell the
public that they would not only not carry out this
improvement, but they would not even consider it.
They would say that they did not intend to carry
out the road, or to pay the proportion which they
usually gave towards such improvements. He urged
that the Board should let the matter go to a com-
mittee, who might suggest that, although the Board
should not be at the expense of forming the road,
they should obtain contributions from the different
parishes that would be benefited thereby. He hoped
the Board would not depart from the principle it
had hitherto laid down, but would refer the matter
to a committee.

Mr. FREEMAN said that some of the members
who had spoken upon this question appeared to be
troubled with very short memories. His friend Mr.
Bristow, the member for Greenwich, had forgotten
all the facts which had come before the Board
in reference to great works which had been already
accomplished, and he would take as an instance of
it the Victoria-park approach, which had been car-
ried out by that Board in conjunction with the
owners of the land of the different parishes. They
had already considered the same kind of improve-
ments, although they now gave a cold reception to
the great improvement that was proposed. They
had made improvements at the east-end and in the
City of London, and they were now asked to tell
the west-end of London that they would not even
consider the question. He believed that it was quite
competent for Mr. Cowper to ask Parliament to vote
a sum of money, as Parliament had voted a sum for
making a road from Rotten-row. He hoped they
would tell Mr. Cowper that they were willing to
make the road conjointly with the different parishes
but they were now asked to say that the Metropo-
litan Board of Works would not move a finger to-
wards a great public improvement to give facilities
to the thousands of persons whom they had invited
to visit them. There was not a road that ran from
the Marble-arch to the Great Western Railway,
and all going to the Exhibition must drive more
than a mile round. He did hope that this subject
would be referred to a committee, and by returning
a respectful answer show that they really felt an
interest in the matter.

Mr. SAMUDA hoped the Board would pause be-
fore it negatived the motion for the reference of this
question to a committee. The subject of this road
was not a question of to-day. He had paid some at-
tention to the matter, and he knew that as far back
as 1851 it was strongly urged on the Government of
the day, and it was again brought forward in 1856.
If there was a necessity for the road then, how much
greater was it at the present time. It was urged that
if that Board did not do the work, the road would be
made by means of a toll to be raised, but he did not
think that remark ought to influence their decision;
but the question was, the usefulness of the work
being admitted, were they the persons who ought to
carry it out ? It was said the work might be done by
debentures to be raised, but that would be really
go saving to the Board, for if the road were made
_aid a toll were to be put upon it, the public out-
cry would be so great that the Board would be corn-
pelled to raise the money to pay for it.
Mr. DIXON said he felt grateful to the Board for
an improvement which it had effected at the east
end of London, in the Victoria Park approach,
which was a great public benefit. In that case the
owners gave up the land, and the parish made up
the remainder of the expense.
Mr. PHILIPS said he saw no use in sending this
question to a committee unless it was to give the
vestries and district Boards of the metropolis an
opportunity of sending in remonstrances against
the funds of the parishes being applied to such a
purpose. It was said that the road was a work of
necessity, but ho denied that there was any such
necessity. There were numerous works, nume-
rous improvements, required in the metropolis
which they were unable to carry out for the want
of funds, and were they now to begir. by improv-
ing Hy de Park, and paying the whole expense?
The letter of Mr. Cowper meant that the Board
should pay the whole expense, if it meant any-
thing. He that if the Board would undertake
the work he would obtain an act of Parliament—.
what for ?—not to furnish them with funds, but
to " secure the public the permanent and unre-
stricted use of the road." That WAS all Mr. Cow-
pt..r proposed to do, and, 'although Mr. Roche had
endeavoured to show that the metropolis was not
heavily taxed, he Loped that if he should ever be-
come Chancellor of the Exchequer he would be
more successful in making the people of England
believe they were very lightly taxed than he had
been on the present occasion in reference to the
taxation of the people of the metropolis. He saw no
use in referring the question to a committee.
Mr. NICHOLAY said, if the subject was referred to
a committee, the hoard would be by no means
pledged to carry out the works. He hoped they
would return such an answer to Mr. Cowper as the
necessity of the case required, believing that the
new road would not only be a great accommodation
to the thousands who would fluw to the Great Ex-
hibition, but would be a great boon to the traders of
the district.

Mr. BENNETT said ho could not support the
amendment, and, although the member for Pad-
dington (Mr. Roche) had told them a good deal
about the taxation of the metropolis, he could not
agree with him that the metropolis was riot heavily
taxed. Apart from the Great Exhibition, there
was no doubt that the road would be of great
benefit to the parishes of Kennington, Paddington,
St. Pancras, and Marylebone ; but they heard no-
thing of those parishes coining forward with funds
towel ds that object. As to going to Parliament
for funds, that could not be expected to be granted,
us the House of Commons had expressly declared
and had comply tely set its face against voting funds
from the Imperial Exchequer for metropolitan im •
provements.
They had declared that befearieni,atrihde
ha doubted not that tt.ey would do so again,
county members declaring that it was wrong in
principle that the country should be taxed for the
benefit of the metropolis. On the same ground it
would he equally wrong that the metropolis should
he taxed for the benefit of the country. Now, he
for effecting such improve-
thought that a means
merits might be obtained from the revenue which
Government derived from the tax on hackney car-
riages. No less a sum than £170,000 was raised
by the Government annually on metropolitan stage
carriages, which went into the impel ial Exchequer;
while the taxed raised on stage carriages for the
rest of the United Kingdom only amounted to
£38,00n. Therefore lie said that the Board had a
right to ask that some portion of that income de-
rived from metropolitan stage carriages should be
applied to metropolitan improvements.
Mr. Deputy HARDISON supported the amendment,
and hupd to see it carried unanimously, as only an

Mr. DIFFANGER said he seldom differed with his
colleague (Mr. Nicholay), but he must on the pre-
sent occasion, for if they had any balance of their
funds it would be much better employed in the im-
provement of Holborn-hill and other parts of the
metropolis. it they were to refer this to a committee
they would be raising hopes that they would carxy
out the work. As to the people of the metropolitan
district not being heavily taxed, he knew that the
po • ri., h of St. Pau!, Deptford, was taxed to the ex-
tent of 13s, in the pound, and if Mr. Roche could
bring any other part of England that was more
heavily taxed than that, then they might listen to
his argument. Mr. Cowper had brought the matter
before him at a late date, and if they refused to
assist him it would be his own fault. Let him open
Stanhope-gate and other gates where the roads were
alt-eady- made. A road had been opened through St.
James's-park, and he saw no reason why they should
be so thin-skinned as not to allow cabs and omni
buses to pass through during the three or four
months the Exhibition would be open. Mr. Cowper
after all was not so very sensitive as to the conve-
Iv-) iaesnsetehorfoitjhgeh it=eour
road.he
ediestihreeythe them to
would
negative the question at once, and nut refer it toa
committee.

' Mr. ROBINSON said the representative of one
of the parishes who had waited upon Mr. Cowper
on the question had stated that the parish funds
could not be legally applied to this road, and yet
that was one source from which funds were expected
to be obtained. It was said the cost of the road
would be £30,000, but he had the authority of a
pereon conversant with the subject who said it
would be more likely to be £60,000. If the Govern-
ment were honest in their intentions, why not let

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 8, 1861

them cut ;road across Rotten-row, as was done in

mation. The inquiry began in June, and Mr.
James was the first witness. The writer of the
articles from which these facts are obtained does not
produce the evidence of Mr. James, probably for the
very sufficient reason that it was, as he says, a
"tissue of suppressions, falsehoods, and perversions
of fact." But he does give the summary of the evi-
dence adduced by Mr. J. Parkes and Mr. Tallent,
the legal advisers of the late Lord Yarborough.
There was great difficulty in obtaining this evidence
from these gentlemen, who considered themselves
bound by a secret promise not to make any disclo-
sures. After some hesitation Mr. James permitted
them to be examined, although it is tolerably cer-
tain that if he had refused his permission the scan-
dalous transactions with Lord Worsley would have
remained a secret. The policy which dictated the
giving of this promise was adopted in order to allow
Mr. Edwin James to practise at the bar, and so to
discharge his large debts ; but simultaneous seces-
sion from two clubs, resigning a seat in Parliament
and a recordership, were occurrences so striking and
unusual that they attracted public attention, ren-
dered a public inquiry necessary, and thus defeated
the whole object of Lord Yarborough's forbearance.
The precise mode in which Mr. E, James came to
owe young Lord Worsley £35,000 would be an in-
teresting study. It is the duty of the Benchers to
publish the full details. In the meantime all that
is known is, that Mr. James, by some means or
other, induced this young nobleman, just on coming
of age, to incur liabilities for his friend, the Queen's
Counsel, who had become acquainted with his family
in the year 1849. For those debts Lord NV orsley
obtained not one farthing of benefit ; on the con-
trary, the very money which Lord Worsley ob
tained from his father to discharge them was mis-
applied by Mr. E. James. Nor was it easy even
for men so, shrewd and experienced as Mr. Tallent
and Mr. Parkes to bring the imperturbable Q.C. to
reason, for it was not until he was threatened with
an exposure at all hazards that even a full state-
ment of his liabilities could be obtained. This act
of the drama was concluded about April by an
agreement, in which Mr. James consented to retire
frem his clubs and public life, and to execute a war-
rant of attorney to Lord Worsley.
But the incidents of the trial of " Scully v. In-
gram" are even more interesting. Mr. James was
counsel for Mr. Scully. Mr. Ingram was the pro-
prietor of the illustrated London News, and was
unfortunately drowned in the Lady Elgin on Lake
Michigan. The case was tried twice, and on the
first trial Mr. James cross-examined Mr. Ingram.
His cross examination was so severe that a friend of
Mr. Ingram thus described it to Mr. James when
he met him at the Euston Hotel :—" It is a singu-
lar accident (he said) that it was into this very
room I with difficulty led poor Mr. Ingram after
your cross-examination of him ; and I must tell you
that if ever a man had a narrow escape of causing
another man's suicide, you had it on that occasion."
Mr. Ingram himself seems to have been of the same
opinion, for before the second trial came on he said
to an intimate friend, in a state of great excitement,
" I must lend Mr. James some money;" and although
"the friend objected, Mr. Ingram insisted, saying,
"1 must—l am so afraid of him ; I must do any-
thing he asks, and you must lend him the money
for me." Mr. Ingram had, in fact, between the
two trials, lent Mr. James the sum of £1,250. A
doubt seems to be expressed whether such an act as
this would be sufficient cause of disbarment. But
if any counsel, on the eve of an important trial, is
to be allowed to borrow money of his adversary's
client and remain a member of the bar, the sooner
a new Temple is built the better.
The other vicitim of this forensic Macaire was a
west country solicitor. Early in 1858 Mr. James
formed this gentleman's acquaintance in a profes-
sional case ; fascinated him ; visited him ; borrowed
money of him, which, beginning with the modest
sum of £4OO, soon rose to £22,000. In the mean-
time the creditor received the whole of the fees of
the eloquent debtor; and when he had been tlected
for Marylebone the enthusiastic creditor, inspired
by the possibility of his debtor obtaining the
office of Solicitor-General or the Woolsack, took
for him the mansion in Berkeley-square.
On the 27th of June he told the story
of his disappointment. Upon all these things being
proved, the Benchers had but one course open
and they followed it. Edwin John James was for-
mally disbarred, and it is something to know that
he is the only Queen's Counsel who has ever ob-
tained this infamous pre-eminence. In vain he
attempted to resign ; his resignation was refused.
Indeed, it is to be observed that after he had, in
a moment of reckless infatuation, permitted the
advisers of Lord Yarborough to give evidence, he
never again appeared in person before any tribunal.
His last public act was a confession of guilt.—
Daily News.

1851 during the time of the Exhibition, and which
could be done at a coat under £l,OOO ?
Mr. DAMER advocated the improvement of the
approaches to the city and the opening of South-
wark-bridge toll free, in preference to the making
of the new road now proposed.

Mr. ECK ETT replied,and at some length combated
the arguments which had been urged against the
motion.

The CHAIRMAN put the question, and declared the
amendment to be carried by a majority of 22 to 17.
The amendment being put as an original motion,
Mr. LEGG moved as an amendment—" That Mr.
Cowper be informed that the board decline to take
upon themselves the formation of the proposed road
unless Government place at their disposal funds for
such purpose, the board having already deferred the
consideration of many great improvements in the
metropolis in consequence of not having funds to
carry them out; but this board are prepared to take
measu es forthwith for the formation of the proposed
road through Clyde Park, in accordance with the
suggestion contained in the letter from the Hon.
W. Cowper, dated Jan. 30 last, provided Mr. Cow-
per will obtain the sanction of Parliament for trans-
ferring to this board, for the purpose of effecting
public improvements within the metropolis, the
income arising from hackney cabs and omnibuses
collected within the metropolitan area."
Mr. ECEETT seconded the amendment.

The CHAIRMAN put the question. The amend-
ment was negatived, and the former amendment
carried as an original motion by a large majority.

PROGRESS OP THE MAIN DRAINAGE WORKS.

Mr, Bazalgette, the chief engineer, presented the
following report of the main drainage works:—
" Spring-gardens, Feb. 6, 1862.
_

"On the northern- outfall sewer contract Mr.
Furness has made good progress during the past
month. The ironwork for the River Lee aqueduct
is upon the ground, and the girders are fixed. 'I he
subways for the East London Waterworks and the
suspension of the supply mains have been nearly
completed without accident, and a cutting through
the embankment of the Eastern Counties Railway,
24ft deep, has been made without interruption to
the traffic. The foundation of works for the new
Stratford-road and the concrete foundation along
the line of sewer towards East Ham are consider-
ably advanced. The three lines of intercepting
sewers are in course of formation between the Bow
and Barking Railway and East Ham. Sixty of the
arches, each of 18ft span, which will carry the in-
tercepting sewers across the marsh land, are com-
pleted. The materials supplied are abundant and
of good quality. The value of the work done is
about £185,000. Of the middle level sewer Messrs.
Brassey and Co. have constructed about 21,400 feet,
varying in size from 3ft in diameter to 9ft 6in by
12ft, at an expenditure of about £96,200. These
works were for a time retarded by an accident to
their coffer-dam while constructing the sewer un-
derneath the Regent's Canal, by which the water
escaped into the sewer and emptied the basin of
the canal ; but it was again opened in two days,
and no further mischief was done. Precautions have
since been taken to prevent the possibility of the
recurrence of such an accident in this difficult por-
tion of the work. The completing works of the
Ranelagh Storm Overflow are in a very confined
space in the Uxbridge-road, and progress slowly.
The value of the work is £26,900. The southern
high level sewer progresses very slowly, and the
works are subject to frequent stoppages, owing
mainly to misunderstandings between the contrac-
tors and their workpeople. About 74 miles of sewer
are new constructed, valued at about £144,000. Mr.
Webster continues to progress satisfactorily with
the southern outfall sewer contract, which will to all
appearance be completed early in the spring, and be-
for the time named in the contract. He has now
constructed about 61 miles of sewer, at an expendi-
ture of about £263,000. At the Deptford pumping
station Messrs. Aird and Co. have brought up the
foundations of both engine houses to the ground
level ; they have constructed 484 feet of the double
line of low level sewer, near to and below Deptford
creek, and have laid 3,684 feet of cast iron pipe 3ft
6in in diameter, from the high level sewer under
Deptford creek to the pumping station, and driven
piles for about 150 feet of the wharfing. The value
of the work executed by them is about £57,000.
Mr. Pearson has commenced his contract at Dul-
wich, and Mr. Downes has constructed 332 feet of
the Southwark subway, 355 feet of sewer, and 70
vaults, at a cost of £3,600.
"J. W. BAZALGETTE, Chief Engineer."
The report was received and ordered to be printed,
and the Board adjourned.

i in the abdciniani whieh produced internal hemorr- 1
I hage. All the usual retnedies were applied, but
without success, as death ensued from loss cf blood,
and the internal injury. He had since ascertained
that the liver had been penetrated. The butcher's
knife produced would inflict such a wound.
The coroner then adjourned the inquiry to give
time for the accused men to be brought before the
court on a warrant to be obtained from the Secre-
tary of State.
The inquiry occupied nearly three hours.

2HE GREAT _RUSSIAN BANK

Yesterday, at one o'clock, the five Polish Jews,
Abraham Rosenberg, Kauffman Weber, Wolff Hor-
witz, Ephraim Reichberg, and Abrisbam Joseph-
son, who have been in custody for eeveral weeks
upon the charge of being concerned in an extensive
conspiracy, having for its object the eirculation of
an enormous issue of forged rouble notes of all
denominations throughout the empire of Russia,
and also with having in their possession engraved
plates, presses, and all the other necessary acces-
sories to effect that object, were brought before the
Lord Mayor at the Mansion-house, to undergo a
further eitatnination upon those charges.
The inquiry, as Upon all the previous occasions.
appeared to excite very great interest. Mr. Sleigh
the barrister, again appeared, instructed by Messrs.
thiverseni tole, and Peachey, to conduct the pro-
secution on behalf of the Russian Government;
Mr. Macdonnell appeared for Horwitz and Reich-
berg Mr. Lewis appeared for Rosenberg ; Mr.
Hope for Jdsephson ; and Mr. Daniels, from the
office of Mr. Herbert Wood, for Weber.
Mr. Sleigh, when the prisoners had been placed
at the bar, said he was happy to inform his lord-
ship, that on the present occasion he believed be
should be able to complete the case against the three
prisoners Horwitz, Reichberg. and Josephson, and
he should show, in addition to the former evidence,
that these prisoners had been engaged in procuring
ink and paper of a similar colour and quality to
those used in the manufacture of genuine Russian
bank notes, and he should then ask his lordship to
commit these prisoners.
The following additional evidence was then ad-
duced :
Thomas Rawlings deposed that he was a litho-
graphic printer, carrying on business in White-
cross-place, Finsbury. About Whitsuntide last
year the prisoner Josephson and another man called
upon him, and the former asked him If be would
have any objection to teach his brother-in-law litho-
graphic printing. Witness inquired in what way,
and he replied he wanted to take an impression from
a copperplate and transfer it to stone, He, at the
same time, produced a copperplate with a border
round it, similar to the one now produced, but he
was unable to say that it was actually the same
plate. The plate now produced had been disfigured,
but he had no doubt that there was originally a
border to it. (The plate was the one found by In-
spector Leonard and Scott, concealed in a piece of
gutta percha.) Witness showed Josephson and the
man who was with him the process he referred to, and
the latter went away apparently under the impression
that he could perform the operation himself. Be-
fore he left he said that he had got a press, and he
wished to have sufficient insight to enable him to
produce an impression upon stone. The same parties
came to him again shortly afterwards and pur-
chased a sheet of prepared paper, and they subse-
quently brought a stone for the purpose of making
an impression, and they also produced the copper
plate they had brought before, and asked witness
to transfer the impression upon it to the stone, and
he did so, and they took the stone away with them.
About a fortnight after this they brought the same
copper plate, and asked him to supply them with
some impressions from a stone of his own, and he
did so, and gave him about 70 impressions, which
were printed upon paper that the prisoner brought
with him. They came again a day or two after-
wards, and said that the impression was not good
enough, and they must make some alteration in it,
and they took away the stone for that purpose. At
one of these interviews it was arranged that wit-
ness was to have 9s. per 1,000 for the impressions,
and about ten days afterwards witness struck off
200 impressions for them. These interviews con-
tinued at intervals until August and September, and
in the latter month Josephson asked him, if he had
the border done in type, whether he could register
the writing in the centre. (The impressions that
were found concealed behind the picture of Gari-
baldi were here produced, and the witness said they
were of exactly the same description as regarded
the paper, the border, and the letterpress, as those
he engraved for the prisoner and his companion.)
Mr. Sleigh—Did the prisoner ever tell you what
it was that you were printing ?
Witness—Yes; he said it was a comic song.
(Laughter.)
Mr. Sleigh observed that he was afraid it would
prove a very serious song.
Mr. Abraham Kottowski deposed that he resided
at No. 7, Somerset-street, Aldgate, and carried on
the business of a " knickerbocker" maker. The
prisoner Horwitz lodged in the same house with
him for six months, down to the month of Septem-
ber. They occupied one room. On Wednesday, 15th
January, in the present year, he was present when
the officer Scott searched the room. There were
some pictures in the room belonging to Horwitz,
one was a picture of Garibaldi. He saw the officer
Scott take from between the wood and the back of
the picture the sixty rouble notes. He knew no-
thing about their being there. While witness was
looking at Scott, Pratt found the plate in the cup-
board.
On being cross examined by Mr. Macdonnell, the
witness said Horwitz had been in the room for
about six months. There were a good many living
in the house—how many he could not say.
The witness said it had been stated in the papers
that he was the party who gave the information to
the police respecting the forged notes which were
found behind the picture in Horwitz's room, and he
wished to state that such was not the case, and the
report had got him into a great deal of trouble
amongst his friends.
Mr. Sleigh said he was glad of the opportunity
of stating that that assertion was entirely a mistake.
James Bell, assistant to Mr. Betteridge, 47, Old
Bailey, deposed that in August last the prisoner
Reichberg called and asked witness to cut him some
brass type. The type was to represent a pieCe of
paper which he produced. He wanted ten of each
figure from Ito 0. The prisoner gave him an order
for 100 types and four No.'s and four type cases.
That order was executed. The prisoner ordered two
brass plates, which were made. Those produced by
Scott were the same. At the time the prisoner took
the plate away there was no figure 10 upon it.
Reichberg afterwards brought some paper, and
asked him to take some proofs from the plates. He
cut a piece of the paper to make it the size he wanted,
and witness produced it. It had the watermark of
the maker upon it. He shortly afterwards gave an
order for the figure 10 to be cut in steel.
It was done, but the prisoner never called
for it. Upon the last occasion Horwitz called with
Reichberg. He cut up a ream of paper for
Reichberg. The parcel produced was the same.
This paper was founthat Reichberg's lodgings, and
was cut exactly the size of the notes.
Upon being cross-examined by Mr. Macdonnell,
he said he was certain he cut the paper produced.
The piece of paper which he produced was left on
the press. It had a watermark. He noticed that
ream.Reichbrg
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epceu the w
put the
the pierteteeromfaprk off the wholeeperinilisde of
skhecatuhsee
he thought it strange that a man should want a
ream of paper cut up, and be so particular about
the watermark being cut off.
Mr. James Joyses, assistant to Mr. Crypt, of
Skinner street, Snow-hill, wholesale stationer,
stated that in August last the prisoner Reichberg
called and wanted to see some paper called bank
paper. He was shown some samples, and he asked
if he could have it without the watermark. Hewes
told he could not have it without the watermark.
He then ordered two reams, and as there was none
in stock they had to send to the mills for it. The
prisoner asked if they could not put a wavey line in
the paper. He was told they could not, and he said
he would have it without On Aug. 27th he called
and took away one ream, and paid for it. The water-
mark on the paper was " Watman, 1861." The
paper produced, found at Reichberg's lodgings, was
precisely the same as that supplied to him by witness.
Mr. Robert Du nford, in the employment of Messrs
Smith and Sons, Wine office court, Fleet-street,
printing ink manufacturers, stated that on the 27th
September last the prisoners Reichberg and Hor-
witz called at his master's shop, and Horwitz said
he had been recommended by Messrs. Adams and
Gee for some coloured ink. He showed ti-em some
red ink, and Reichberg pulled part of a border
printed on paper in red ink out of his pocket, and
said that which witness product d was not the colour
he wanted. The piece of paper which he produced
was similar paper to that of the forged notes found
behind the picture in Horwitz's room, and the border
was also similar. The witnessshowodthem carmine,dewyoosueldd
and Horwitz said it was too dark. The witness
eventually sold them a box of common carmine
printing ink. That produced?suSpcoptltiewd him would
same.
The box of ink witll which h
serve to print 500 impre. ens.
Mr. Andrew Rurkt :1 .Y.iclence-row, Finsbury,
manufacturer of engra .copper plates,
that Josephson callpd! uelibn -him in the month of
July, and bought several small copper and zinc
plates for engraving plates, about the size of the
plate produced. (The same found in the gutta
percha.) In December he called again, accompanied
by Reichberg, and asked him to supply a copper
plate, the centre of which was to be cut out, leaving
a border, which was to be prepared tor engraving.,
(The witness produced the centre which he so cut
from the plate, which was the shape and size of the'
engine turning in the centre of the back of a rouble
supplied the plate as he had none
nothicke. )
enough, Reichberg
nd that plate was brought by Hor-
witz. The witness prepared the border for engrav-
ing and gave it to Horwitz, who called alone for it,
and paid for it.

Mr. Sleigh said that really was the case against
the three prisoners, Horwitz, Reichberg, and
Josephson. There were some more witnesses, but

he did not think it necessary to occupy his lord-
ship's time. If there should be anything more to add,
notice would be given to the solicitors fe r the de-
fence; and he asked that the
prisoners might be
committed for trial.
The three prisoners were their committed for trial,
Rozenberg and Weber being again remanded.