The Sun.
London, England, 1862-07-21 00:00:00

SUN OFFICE, SEVEN O'CLOCK.

IM PE RIAL PA LIA iSiaNT.

HOUSE OF LORDS—THIs EVENING.
The LORD CH.A.IsiCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following bills were read a third time and passed :
Earl of Shrewsbury 'E3 Estate_-Andover and Redbridge
Railway—Eastern 'Union Railway—Great Western, Here-
!mei Ely Valley Railways—
for, Ross, and Gloucester
Shrewsbury and Hereford Railway, and Salford Improve-
ment.

KENT COAST RAILWAY BILL,
Lord REDESDALE moved the third reading of this
bill.
Lord CHELMSFORD said although this was a private
bill, 3tt it involved a question of considerable im-
portance, viz,, that of the Board of Trade giving
o a private company the complete monopoly of the
traffic of Ramsgate Harbour. This bill was originally
opposed by the Steam Ship Owners' Association
and en assurance that the clauses which empowered the
company to lay down three tramways on the har-
bour should be expunged. On that understanding the
Association withdrew their opposition to the bill, but it
appeared afterwards that, although the sixth clause, which
contained the objectionable provision, had been struck oat,
an addition was made to the 11th clause, which gave still
larger and greater power to the Company in question.
When this was discovered the Steam Shipowners' Association
and the General Steam Navigation sought to obtain the
omission of the objectionable enactments, but it was decided
that the companys had no locus stands, and it passed its
remaining stages in the other house as an unopposed bill.
The noble and learned lord having referred to
the income derived from Ramsgate harbour, went on to re-
mark that, by the powers proposed to be given to the Kent
Coast Railway, a tramway was to be laid down along the
pathway of the east pier, which was that used by the whole of
the passengers visiting that place during the summer sea-
son. The space devoted to the passenger traffic was now
very limited, and in the centre of the pathway a tramway
was laid down the greatest danger and inconvenience would
arise. He thought theirlordships ought to pause before giving
assent to a bill empowering the Board of Trade to hand
over the management of the Harbour to a private com-
pany, and he therefore moved that the eleventh clause
be struck out.

Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY differed from the
noble and learned lord, as he was of opinion that tha pro
posed tramway instead of being an inconvenience would,
on the contrary. be of great usefulness to the persons
visiting the town. He contended there had been no breach
of faith as had been stated to the noble and learned lord
The opposition bad been got up by certain steamboat corn..
panies, who it had been decided had no locus standi with
respect to the bill, and he therefore trusted their lordships
would stand by the decision of their own committee, and
reject the proposition of the noble and learned lord.
After a short discussion the motion was withdrawn, and
the bill was read a third time and passed.

[LEFT SITTING.]

HOUSE OF COMMONS,—THIS DAY.
The SPEAKER took the choir at 10 minutes past 12
o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords amendments to the following bills were agreed
to and the bills were ordered for third reading:—Edin-
burgh, Perth, Dundee, and Fife and Kinross Railway
Companies—Vale of Neath Railway—West Midland and
Severn Valley Railways—Brecon and Merthyr Tydfil
Junction ft ailway (by order.)
• The Mackintosh Farr Fund!Bill (Lords) and Carnarvons shire Railway Bills were read a third time and passed.
SUPPLY.
On the motion for going into committee of supply on the
civil services estimates, clauses 6 and 7,
Mr. A SMITH drew attention to the enormous amount
that was expended in superannuation pensions. From the
return presented to Parliament it appeared that-there was
£185,000 applied to this purpose, but in fact the real
amount was £874,000. Ho contended that a large redac-
tion might be made in this expenditure by calling into ac-
tive service persons who were qualified for the service, but
who were at present receiving superannuation pensicns.
There were also additions which made the sum £1,262,000.
And when to these were added the charge for non-effec-
tives in the army and navy, it would be found that the total
amounted to £5,500,000.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said that there could b 3 no
doubt as to the importance of this subject, and he esti-
mated the expenditure at £7,000. He asked the Govern-
ment for information relative to the expenditure in connec-
tion with the China war, and also for specific information
with respect to the state of Indian finance.
Sir G. LEWIS said that the whole system of the
accounts of India had been made the subject of a new
arrangement this year, but he was unable to state the pre-
cise time when these accounts could be ready for inspection.
Sir F. SMITH called the attention of the Secretary to
the Admiralty to the reply of Rear-Admiral R. S. Robin-
son to question, No. 629, put to him by the commissioners
on the national defences on the 28th day of April ; and to
ask him whether any experiments have been made to
ascertain the power of resistance of 5f inches of iron backed
by 9 inches of teak to the heaviest guns.
Lord C. PAGET said that experiments such as his hon.
and gallant friend suggested had been. made, and he ex-
pected that a report as to the result of their experiments
would shortly be laid on the table. The Admiralty were
not inattentive to the construction of the iron vessels of war
which was at present going on in France.
BRITISH SUBJECTS IN THE CONFEDER ATE
STATES OF AMEEICA.
Mr. S. FITZGERALD drew the attention of the house
to the f et that there was no vessel of war in the waters of
New Orleans to protect the lives and property of British
subjects resident in that city. This was tot the case with
regard to other powers. It appeared also that there were
no British consuls at present in the Confederate States.
Sir J. FERGUSe,ON said that the consuls had been
absent from New Orleans and Richmond, and although
the Confederate States had treated British subjects pro-
perly there was no security that the same treatment would
be received by them from soldiers of the United States
under existing circumstances.
Mr. LAYARD said that he understood the house would
go into committee of supply this morning without delay,
and therefore he did not expect that the question would be
broaght on this morning. However he could assure the
hon. gentleman that her Majesty's Government had not
been neglectful of the inti rests of British subjects at New,
Orleans. Orders had been given for a man of war to pro-
ceed there, but, from circumstances it was not advisable at
present to discuss, that order had not been carried out.
The house then went, into committee.
Oa the vote of £184,706 for superannuation pensions,
Mr. WILLLAMS objected to certain items in the vote,
on the ground that persons were receiving pensions who
were competent for active service.
Some items of the vote were agreed to.
On the item of £2,600 for Westmoreland Lock Hospital,
Dublin,
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to money being voted for such
a purpose out of the public funds, and adverted to the tact
that there was no such grant allowed to the numerous
hospitals of this country.
Colonel French, Colonel Dunne, and Mr. Vance defended
the vote, on the ground that Ireland was called on to con-
tribute largely to the defence of the English coasts and
other national objects, and that Dublinhad sufferel severely
from the Union, being converted from a metropolis of the
rich into a metropolis of the poor.
After some discussion, the item was agreed to.
On the item of £39,747 for Non-conforming and other
Dissenting ministers in Ireland.
Mr. HADFIELD urged that the vote be reduced. He
contended teat if any religious denominaticn in Ireland
should receive liberal assistance from Government it should
be the Roman Catholics, who, in round numbers, amounted
to 4,000,000, and not the resbyterians, who were only
600;600. He concluded by moving the reduction of the
vote to £366, the amount paid in pensions to the widows
and orphans of the synod of Ulster, which had been paid
since 1804, and which had been given in substitution of a
portion of the tithes which the Presbyterian ministers had
enjoyed prior to the settlement of Ulster,
Mr. DAWSON defended the vote.
Mr. CROSSLEY contended that it was unjust that the
people of this country should be taxed for the ministry of a
particular religious denomination in Ireland.
Sir R. PEEL defended the vote.
had been settled for centuries in IrelandT,naenP
time
dfrreesbymt rina
to s
time they had received grants from the Ceroamifo
allegiance to the British Crown, which h
ter their
dhad
risen within the last 32 years from 115,p0OreGlathoyittesriparneeseneft
amount. However, he considered the
Ireland were entitled to such a recognition ofethweieruludnwfeaei
unwa-
vering loyalty.
If the committee divided he
bound to vote against the amendment.
Sir H. BRUCE supported the vote,
and denied
ainedd tehnattthhaet
question was a political but a religiousd
ground he would vote againstttheaat
mthene rmigehntt.hon. baronet
Mr. WILLIAMS thought that
(Sir R. Peel) had placed the vote on a
a correct footitnhgeshuwboghouhedltna;
He
he stated that it was reward for loyalty.
thatalty
Presbyterian reward
however, that the time had arrived when
be discontinued, considering
were the most wealthy and prosperous in Ireland.
Lord FERMOY asserted thatth.eousstaetnedoofwisureeinatria was glnority,
creed of the mi The
most anomalous in regardtotrhee r
state was obliged
while it left the churchte endow
of the nssjorit.y to depend on volun-
tary efforts. It was owing to that fact that the Regium
Donum was
perpetuated, and he contended that the tim
must shortly arrive when the whole subject of religious
en-
dowment should be considered. He would not support the
amendment, because itdid
, in his opinion,
not go far
enough by proposing the abolition of the Regiutn D num.
After some conversation, the house divided on the motion
that the vote should be reduced—
....................... 16
Ayes
Noes ............
Majority ... ................... 68
The amendment was negatived 'and ..... ...... 4-4reed2 to.
On the vote of £15,778 for temporary °
commissions,
Mr. A. SMITH objected to the item f £BBO for the fine
arts commission in connection with the Houses of Parlia-
ment, on the ground that their services were not required.
Mr. COWPER defended the vote, and said that the
bouts of the commis
of course, the vote wsioUldt
woulde soon cease, and, as a
After some discussion. the amendment matter
of
and the item was agreed tom oe other contributions agreed to.was withdrawn,
were
on the working of the Patent Law Act Amendment,
Mr. WILLIAMS moved the omission of the sum of
£9,166 10s. fees payable to the law officers in
connection of the Crownn
connection with the working of the act.
Mr. PEEL said it was intended to make inquiries into

the subject. -
After some discussion, in the course of which, Sir G.
GREY said that a commission had been issued to enquire
into tho whole subject of Patent Law, the amendment was
negatived, and the vote was agreed to.
Some other votes were agreed to, and the sitting was
suspended at four o'clock.
The house resumed at six O'clock, paid was
[LEFT SITTING

NEW ACT ON THE SAIE op SPIRITS.—On Satur-
day the new act relating to the 'sale of spirits was printed.
It only partially repeals ',he Tippling Act. Formerly no
debt under 20s. at one
+inle could be recovered for spit its ;
but it is now provide
d that the same shall be repealed, so
far only as rel atc 6 to spirituous liquors sold to be consumed
elsewhP,re thar. 'on the premises where sold, and delivered
wc the resider.ce of the purchaser in quantities not leas at
any time than a reputed quart.