The Sun.
London, England, 1865-01-09 00:00:00

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE—This

LONDON BETTING.
TWO THOUSAND.
sto 1 agst Liddington (taken)
Bto 1 agst Broomielaw
10 to 1 agst Zambesi

nrE DEBBY.
9 to 1 agst Breadalbane
10 to 1 agst The Duke
14 to 1 agst Chattanooga
20 to 1 agst Broomielaw
26 to 1 agst Rifle
40 to 1 agst Longdown
40 to 1 agst The Buck
40 to 1 agst Brahma

The Brompton Oratory,

Agreeably with arrangement, Eliza li`Dermot, accom
panied by a lady from the institution in which she had been '
placed, came to the Westminster Police-court, on Saturday,
in order that Mr. Selfe might have an opportunity, with'
his wife, of ascertaining for himself the circumstances con-
nected with her departure from her home, and her inclina-
tion as to her future disposal. In order to effect this de-
sirable end without the influence of any coercion, Mr. Selfe
took the young woman and the lady to his private residence
in St. George's-square, where alone with Mr. and Mrs. Self()
she had a very lengthened interview, at the termination of
which Eliza M'Dermot, having been left by the lady who
had accompanied her, started alone on her return to the
asylum from which she had been brought.
In the afternoon Mrs. MTermot came to the court with
a number of testimonials of character, which, as may be
remembered, she had been requested to provide herself with
in the early stage of these proceedings, and shortly before
the rising of the court,
Mr. Selfe, addressing her, said—l have seen your daughter,
Mrs. M‘Dermot. She has been to my house, and, in pre-
sence.of my wife and myself, has had along interview, and
has told her own story. There are, I am sorry to tell
you, certain things in connexion with your daughter which
you do not know, and which I am rather loth to tell you,
and which I think upon consideration I had better not, and
you must be content with what I am going to say to you
respecting her. She says she perfectly well knows what
she is about. She is, I consider, perfectly capable of form-
ing an opinion for herself, and she says that she went to
this "home" entirely of her own free will, whoever the
original suggestion may have come from. She tells me that
she went there of her own accord, and that she deceived
you, uniortimately;iby not telling you ; but it is her n
wn
strong wish, independent of any control or bias from any.
one else, that she should remain in the institution where
she has placed herself. Under the circumstances with
which she has made me acquainted, and which I believe, I
think she is better where she is than if she had remained,
at home. I think that on the whole she has acted wisely in
adopting this course, excepting that she ought to have ac-
quainted you with her designs, and was wrong in not doing
so; she ought to have told you, as it appears she has always
been a Catholic, and it would have been well for her had
you given your sanction in the matter, and she is to blame
in that respect. Now I have seen her quietly and privately
with my wife, and without anybody having any influence
over her and she appears to be, and says she is, perfectly
satisfied with her present position•and the place where she
now is, and where you will have an opportunity of seeing

her—of course under necessary restrictions—at some time
I think not very far distant. Did you at any time speak to
her about going into a reformatory ?
Mrs. M'Dermot—Never, sir.
Mr. Selfe--She says you did, and she has told her story
with every appearance of truth.
Mrs. M'Dermot—l beg your pardon, sir. I understood.
you, whether entering any reformatory in connection with
the Oratory. I did once speak to her. I found that she was
in the habit of going to places of amusement, and I rebuked
her and said to her one day, " I will not allow you to stay
out late at :night, and to go to theatres and such other
places; if you do I shall have to send you away somewhere
for a considerable time." _ _

Mr. Selfe—That was what I meant you to answer. She
has informed me that she was in the habit of going about
too much. Father Bowden's story is true in every respect
as far as he has stated—that it was her own act, and no sug-
gestion on his part. I must tell you she had a perfect right
to go if she liked. Nobody has abetted her in this. The mo-
tive is good, and I should advise you to let her remain there
for some time to come. She is in perfectly good hands, and I
will let you know when you can see her, and have an op-
portunity of communicating with her, as I have before said,
under certain restrictions. Leave her undisturbed for a
time ; I am sure after her conversation with me this morn-
ing and what she said it would be better. There is not the
slightest pretence for saying that she has been coerced or
kidnapped into this institution; she did it with her eyes
open, and did not inform you lest you should interfere to
pervent it. _ . _

Mrs. M'Dermot—As I told you the other day, if she had
asked my consent I should not for a moment have with-
held it.

Mr. Selfe—l should advise you to let the matter rest for
a time.

Mrs. /if 'Dermot—l have brought some letters down as to
my character.
Mr. Selfe—The letters give you a very excellent charac-
ter. There is another point to which I must refer. What
persuasion originally were you ?
Mrs. M'Dermot—l was brought up a Protestant, and
when I married my husband was a Roman Catholic. I was
a Catholic for some time after my marriage, and then I
withdrew from it to my own church again.
Mr. Selfe—Was you ever christened a Catholic ?
Mrs. M‘Dermot—No ; I attended the Oratory.

Mr. Selfe—Did you receive any gifts ?
Mrs. M‘Dermot—They put my boy away to a school at
Greenwich for me. When I was ill and kept my bed for
nine months, Father Morris, who is a very good man, was
exceedingly kind, and visited me from the Oratory, bringing
me things. I hate every reason to thank him and respect
him. He sent mo bread, meat, and coals while I was ill.
I was then a Catholic, but afterwards returned to my
church. About seven years ago, I think, I first went to

the Oratory.
Mr. Selfe—When did you leave it entirely ? Father
Morris says that while you represented yourself to be a
Catholic you were a Protestant.
Mrs. M'Dermot—l left it about two years ago ; since that
I have been through no forms or ceremonies. When Mr.
Blunt was visiting me Father Morris came and asked why
I did not go to confession, and I told him nothing. I only
said, "No ; I did not go." I did not say I had become a
Protestant. I only said "No" to his inquiry. I have at-
tended the Oratory within a twelvemonth.
Mr. Selfe—l am quite satisfied with your conduct in this
matter, and I have every reason to believe that your cha-
racter is as you represented it.
Mrs. M'Dermot then left the court, Mr Selfe assuring her
that she would see her daughter as soon as it was proper
and convenient, and advised her to let the matter rest for a
time, as he felt sure the girl had told him the whole truth,
and it was her earnest wish and desire to be left where
she was.