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London, England, 1862-07-10 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF COMMONS—YESTERDAT.
The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock.
THE BURIALS BILL.
Several petitions were presented against this bill.
CLERGY RELIEF BILL.

On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Sir L. PALK said that he felt bound to move as an
amendment that the bill be read a third time that day three
months. He contended that the principle of the measure
was of the most objectionable character, as it enunciated
the monstrous proposition that the House of Commons was
entitled to release a priest from the vows which he had
undertaken, a power which the Pope of Rome, in the heigh t
of Roman Catholicism, never assumed. By the provisions o f
the bill any priest dissenting from the church might set
himself up as a preacher of heresy in the very parish wher e
he:had been officiating, or if he were so inclined he could
divest himself of his ecclesiastical character altogether, and
adopt some lay vocation. He urged some other objections
to the bill and trusted the house would reject any measure
of the kind which, both in principle and as he believed iu
practice, would be found mischievous.
Mr. LYGON seconded the amendment.
Lord HENLEY hoped the house would not refuse to
read the bill a third time. He heard nothing during the
discussion on the second reading ad anced by those who
might be considered the regular representatives of the Church
of England, and the bill had been referred to a select com-
mittee without any valid argument against it. He re-
garded the bill solely with reference to the interests of the
Church of England, and having carefully listened to the
evidence adduced before the committee, he came to the con-
clusion that those interests would:be served by the adoption
of this Measure. The bill merely relieved persons from
objections which they felt conscientiously could no longer
be discharged by them with benefit to themselves in the
' Church of England. He thought it was highly de-
sirable that persons who were anxious to secede from
the Church of England should have an opportunity of
doing so, instead of remaining in the Church and
teach doctrines he no longer believed. It was
very hard that a clergyman should be deprived
of any means of obtaining a living by his exertions
in a lay pursuit; and such a penalty was holding forth
a premium to hypocrisy. A clergyman might suczeed to a
large estate, which entailed on him duties that were of an
unclerical character, and in a case of that kind it would be
most unjust to compel him to remain in the priesthood.
Ho objected to the clause in the bill which made bishops
pronounce sentence against seceding clergymen, which
would have the effect of branding a man for acting in ac-
cordance with his conscientious convictions. He objected,
also, to the clause which prohibited persons, who had once
been in holy orders in the Church of England, from becom-
ing members of this house.
After some further discussion, the house divided :
For the third reading .. BB
Against
Majority
The announcement of the result was received with loud
sheers.

CHURCH RATES COMMUTATION DILL.
Mr. NEWDEGATE moved the second reading of this
bill.

After a short discussion the order for the second reading
was discharged.
ROMAN CATHOLIC PRISONERS BILL.
Mr. HENNESSY, in moving the second reading of this
bill, cited extracts from a return showing that a large pro-
portion of the prisoners in the United Kingdom consisted
of Roman Catholics, who were about 14 per cent. in the pri-
sons of England and Wales. He complained that Roman
Catholic clergymen were obliged to visit prisoners of their
communion separately, and were not allowed an oppor-
tunity of addressing them together, which he contended
was a great hardship on these clergymen. In some cases
the visiting justices,acting on a principleof equity, violated
the law by allowing Roman Catholic priests admission to
the gaols without being subjected to the restriction imposed
by the existing statute, a state of things which his measure
would abolish. He proposed to give the visiting justices
the authority of appointing Roman Catholic chaplains to
the Government gaols, and to place the Roman Catholic
prisoners on a footing of equality with those of the Church
of England.
Mr. WHALLEY strongly opposed the bill, which, if
passed, would be virtually affirming the principle that reli-
gious truth was not considered by the legislature of so
much importance as religious conviction. The hon. mem-
ber then contended that Parliament was net justified in
making any concessions in favour of Romanism, and denied
that a case of hardship had been made out which should in-
duce the legislature to alter the existing law.
Mr. HENLEY differed from the last speaker, and
thought that a case of hardship had been made out, and
praised the hon. member (Mr. Hennessy) for the tempe-
rate and argumentative manner in which he had brought
1 this subject before the house. However, he could not sup-
port the second reading of the bill, because he considered
it would not accomplish the desirable object whicl it pro-
posed. The question involved was surrounded with con-
siderable difficulty, and he thought a bill on this subject
should emanate from the Government, considering the im-
portance of the matter.

Sir G. GREY said that arrangements were in progress
in regard to convict prisons to carry out the views of the
hon. member (mr.Hennessy).'and he hoped similar arrange-
ments would be made with reference to the other prisons in
the United Kingdom. He agreed with the last speaker as
to the difficulties with which this question was attended.
Ho trusted that the Government would be able to intro-

duce ;Liiion this subject, but he would not pledge himself
to the introduction of such a bill. lie trusted, under the
circumstances, that the presant bill would not be pressed.
Mr. HENNESSY said that he would introduce the bill
with the understanding that the Government would take
up the important subject.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said that he had been entrusted
with a petition from the visiting justices of Birmingham
against the bill, which the petitioners said would have the
effect of preventing Roman Catholic prisoners from seeing
Protestant chaplains, and therefore having no opportunity
of changing their opinions, if they desired. The hon. mem-
ber assailed Cardinal Wiseman, whom he described as the
temporal officer of the Church of Rome in this country, and
Legate Cullen, whose rescripts he described as incendiary.
He trusted the house would reject the bill in such a manner
as to prove the existence of sound Protestant feeling in the
country.
Mr. WHALLEY refused to withdraw the amendment,
and the motion for the second reading of the bill was nega-
tived without a division.

SALE OF BEER, &c., BILL.
Mr. W. E. FORSTER, in moving the second reading
of the bill, said that the object he proposed was to enable
ersons selling beer to recover money for beer consumed on
the premises, provided the score amounted to 20s.
Mr. ROEBUCK said that this bill resulted from the
sentiments of sour minded men, who believed that they
could make persons sober by act of Parliament. He c !7„
ferred to the case of his constituents, who were prohl
siP_tt"..:
working men as an illustration of the evil effects ft, u.- -
d their
bill, which, from the mode of payment adePtreds,. He
neighbourhood, would inflict a great deal of hilereniaT•_....„.
denounced the bill as an unwarrantable inrtrcr!
maj "'
s bill.
the humbler classes, and described it as a il
After some discussion,
Sir G. GREY said that be would
reading of the bill, although he ne
considered that the
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AMENDMENT BILL.
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Mr. HADFIELD. moved the addition of a clause to fol-
low clause 9
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ter any judgment registered in the Palatine Courts or in
e could not see
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—The clause was then reed a second time, and added to
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the bill.
Mr. WALPOLE moved the addition of a clause,
ifcrhomisandcoanfttearintehde
piansainthgeof ftohllioswaoint gno eaxecitraueacttra.
limiting the sequestration of benefices, the spirit
of
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tion founded upon or for giving effect to any judgment for
debt entered up against any beneficed clergyman with cure
shall issue against the profits of his benefice, or any portion
thereof ; provided always, that nothing herein contained shall
affect the provisions of an act passed in the 24th and 25th
years of her Majesty, chap. 134, in relation to sequestra-
tions issuing against the benefices of beneficed clergy-
men becoming bankrupts, nor the provisions of any
other act authorising the issuing of sequestrations of the
profits of benefices of clergymen for any special purpose.
The right hon. gentleman said that an act was passed in the
thirteenth year of the reign of Queen Elizabeth, in which
it was enacted that all chergings of benefices or ecclesias-
tical promotion with cure, and not being impropriated with
any pension or profit out of the same, should be void. His
object in the clause he proposed was to retain that act in
full force.
Mr. MALINS opposed the clause as he did not consider
that a beneficed clergyman should enjoy any immunity in
reference to debts he might contract.
Mr. Maims, 1,"
• the Solicitor-General,Cairns, and
Mr. Henley opposed, and SirF. Kelly and Mr. Ayrton mu
ported the clause.
The clause was negatived without a division. ,_ose I,
Sir F. GOLDSbIID moved the omission of e_!E_s.,,, of
which related to the constructive notice of the "I".
Chancery.
it being a quarter to six o'clock. BILL.
of the houses
The discussion was interrupted by the rules
THE SAVINGS BANK (IRELAND)
The bill was read a second time.
disposed of. and
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The other orders of the day were trre six o'clock,
the house adjourned a few minutes be

THE CORONERSHIP OF THE CENTRA
DISTRICT.

DECLARATION OF THE POLL.
The official declaration 0f the polling for the coronership
of the Central division of Middlesex took place yesterday
at the hustings, Portland-place.
At 1 o'clock Mr. Sheriff Cockerell stepped forward to the
front of the hustings and declared that the voting had been
to folioDr
for Dr. Lankester .1431 -47
Ire the r) Ire
rfro: LewisLe
ndekcel as Majoritytreerd t hat the election had 1;a0ll8e4n on Dr.
LaDnknettanar.kes(tLeorutdhecu khteoeors.
)the Coroner's oaths, after whiff
Mr. Lewis shook hands en
With him, and both gentlem
dresped the assemblage, ad'