The Sun.
London, England, 1862-05-14 00:00:00

THE SUN. LOkMON, WEDNESD v Pvt-7,NiNiz MAY 14. 1:4)2.-1.

B 1 ITISH POSSESSIONS.

Closing
Share Railways. Paid. Price. Business don:
100 kiTriiltio &St Lawrence all 04 68
~,.. ( Bom.,Barodaas.Cent Ind
I'4' 1 Gu. 5 per cent.
204 Buffalo and Lake Huron all 51 6 d
204 Do. New ' - -
10 Do. Preference
( Buffalo,Brant&Godricl 100 8.3 86
100 t 6 p. et. bds. Aug. 1, 1872
100 Do. do. July 1, 1873 100 81 84
100 Do. do. June 1, 1574 100 80 83
5 Clcutta.&S.Eastn.(l.i!. ) all 5 '1
all Cape Town & Dock Serif, 20 204 21 204 it
174 Demerara - all - -
stock Eastn. Bengal gu. sp. t 100 102 103
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stock East Indian, gu. sp. c. 100 1033 1041 1•')* 01 4
20 Do. do. G Ext - all 4 4
stock Grand Trunk of Canada 100 24 25 221
100 Do. 6 per cent. Pref.. all 68 71 70
100 Do. 2d fret 6 per et.. all 167 60
100 Do. 6 per et. Debentr. all 37 40
100 Do. 7 percent. 1862 .. all 143 46
100 Do. do. 1867 ... all 36 38
100 Do. do. 1872.. all 36 38
stock GtlndiaPenin.gua,.sp.c. 100 102 1024 1024
20 Do. New gua. sp. c... 12 4 1 p 124
stock Gt. South.of India (Lim
guaranteed 5 per cent. 100 1014 104 102
204 Gt. W. ot Canada Sharep all 124 121
204 Do. New .. lB 84 74
100 Do. 6 p.c. '73 with't opt. all 102 101
100 Do. 54 p. o. do. '77 d 0... all 93 95
100 Do. 1878. all 93 95
stock Madras. guar., sp.c. .. 100 101 102 101# 2
stock Do. 41 p. e. Extension 100 94 96
stock Do. 44 d 0....
..... 100 92 94
stock Melb.Corp. 6p. a Bnds. 100 - -
20 Newßrunswick& Can&
Ry.&Land(Lim.)g.6Pc all 5 7
Class A. Capital Shan!
Do. do. Land do.. " • • • •
20 Do. do. B Capital do. .•
I all 4 6
Do. do. Land do. .... • •
stocs Scinde .... •• .... 4.1 100 103 104
20 Do. Punjaub .... V. „9 15 1 1 p
20 Do. Do. -••- .. Is ci all 204 20;
stock Do. Indus. St. Flo. gt,c,",. 100 ‘9 100 100
10 Trinidad (Lim.) Scrip.. 1 1 4,'
FOREIGN RAILWAYS —
20 Algerian
10 Antwerp & Itottrdam all 71 71 71 1
20 Ardennes.... .......• - -p
20 Bah.&S.Fran..Lim.7 p.c l6l 1 14 111
5 Belgian East. Junction all 1 14
Carmeaux Mine & Rail 30 11 12
100 Copiapo ~ ....., all - -
10 Ditto Extension
20 . Dutch Rhenish ... - - 16 11 14p 171 4
20 Eastern of France
20 Grand Rue Guar. 6p. c al - -
20 Gt. Luxem., Con. she all 15 R.l 154
20 Italian Junction .. • • - -
20 Lyons & Geneva. ... • - - •
20 Namur & Liege .... • all 81 81
20 Do. 6p. a. fret .... •
16 Northern of France all 414 121
116 Do. New Shares - -
10 Norwegian Trunk Frei. all 810
' 20 Ot'mn( Smyrna to Aidn) 15 8 7
20 , Varis,Lyons, & Medite:. all 43 (4
20 Paris & Orleans.. -- - all 51 63
• 20 1 Recife &S. Fran. (Pere.
1 gua. 7p. ct. 1im...... 19 4 3
20 Riga & Dunaburg...... all - -
20 Royal Danish all 13 15
5 Royal Swedish - -
4 Do. 7 ner cent. Pref. - . all - -
20 Sambre & Meuse ...... all 114 124
10 Do. 54 per cent. Pref..... all 96 10
20 San Paulo, lim, g. 7 p.c. 8 4 # p
20 S.Aust. &Lomb Venetin 18 114 4 p
20 8. East Portugal 7 p at. 7 --
20 Southern of Prance- - all 321 334
84 West Pandora .. , ..... all 71 8
10 Do. 54 p a Preference.. all 104 1011
2$ W. & N.W. of France .. all 21 22 I
PREFERENCE SHARES AND STOCKS
Dividends contingent on the Profits of each separate Year.
st *Caledon. £lO Gua. Stk 160 102 104
20 Cornwall4l p.c. ga.perp all - -
st *E. Anglian, Clsß, 6 p.c. 100 120 123
st * Do. CIsC, 7 p.c. 100 131 134
st Edin,Prth,&D'dee,4p.c. 100 80 52
- st Lond'n, Brig'tn, &c., 44
per cent 1858 100 103 105
st Do. do. 4 per et 1860 100 92 95
st Do. do. 41 per et 1861 100 103 10
- 5 Do. do. 4k per ct 1861 34 --
10 Lon. & Chat'm, Metrop.
Ext. B, 6 p.c.........1 71 R d Id
- st Lon. &S.Wcstern 4,1p.c. 100 102 101
10 North. British £lO Gua. ail - -
Shares, 1861
st *ScottishCentral4l p.c lOO - -
irred pref 1 .
10 S.-Eastern 41 p.c. 1859...1 all" 91 10
10 Do. 5 p.c. Juno 1861 (rd.) 5 1. ipm
10 Do. 5 p.c. Aug. 1861 (rd.) 3. 4 4pm
* Failure of full dividends in any given half-year not to 1
made good out of the profits of any subsequent half year.

/ear not to be
t half year.

BRITISH. MINES.
- Alfred Consols (Philack) 8.9.3 .. • •
2(, iiritish Iron
Clifford nil 28 30
Devon G. Cone. (Taoist ) 1 430 449
East Bassett (Illogan) 3O 14 46 45
--East Caradon 1.14.0 46 47 465
East Cam Brea... 3.0.0 16i 16/ 151 161
E. W'l Russel (Tavistk.) 7.10.0 21 35
Gam.&St.Aubyn(Gwen.) 561 135 14.
Great South Tous l7s 55 55 55 5
G.Wheal (phil ack)
G. Wheal Vor (lielston) 40 65 7
Grenville ... ... .
Ilerod's-Foot ....... 8.12 37 39
Hingston Downs 4.14 2 25
Lady Bertha
Margaret (tiny Lelant) 1
91 42 44
Marke Valley..
2
4 Myndy Iron Ore (Lim ) 5 2 1
North Downs 25 45 4f
North Frances (Mogan) 12.3
N.Wh'l Basset (Illo4an) 2.3 0 21 35
North Wheal Crotty . 2,2.9 25 25
Par Consols (St. Blazey.) 15 -5 6
20 l'rovidence(Uny Lelnt.) 10.6.1 40 42
Sortridge Cons. Min. Co. 1 4 ft
South Caradon(St.Cleer) 14
21 335 745
S. Carn Brea (Illogan).. 5.11.6 35
S.Wheal Fran. (Mogan) 18. V... 97 1025
Stray Park
5 Tamar Silv.& Lead Min 45 14 11
10 Fin Craft 9 101 115
West Basset (Illogan). -15 125 135
W Caradon (Liskeard; 5 34 16
West Seton 474 255 265
Wheal Basset. (111og, an; 55 92 ; 974
Wheal Buller(Redruth) 5 574 625
W11(...d Edward (Cals.) 71 11 11
Wheal Kitty (U.Lelant) 1.7.2 12 13
Wheal Mary Ann (Men.) 8 11 13
Wheal Trelawney (Lis.) 7 16 17
FOREIGN MINES.
20 Australian
1 BonAccord Copper,Lim all 5 a
5 itrazil Land & Min.Co all .6
1 Clarendon Cons.MitiCo ;
40 Cobre Copper
20 (lopiano l6 6 8
2 Capula Silver Vs. 5 d spm
1 DunMoun.Cep. M ing Co as. 1, lip
3 East Del Rey (Limited) 1
2 Fortuna... all 25 35
20 4 eneral all 23 24 235
2 it N. Cop.'of S. Austr. 15 4
5 d 5
15 Liapunda (Limited) 1 ll>
3 ll 7 75
Linares a
6 Lusitanian 2 d pmi
all
1 11ariqui vs
1 N. Ithineeopot S.Aus.L 5 *ds
20 Pontgibaud Silver,Lead
Mining and Smelt all 2
5 Port Philip ... .......
Santaßarbara badmine 4, pm
1 -cottish Austrin. (L.).. 108. 15 ItP
20 St. John del Rey • 15 58 60
28.2.81 United M . Mexican . 7il 75
1 Worthing (Limited)..
• all 1
DOCKS.
stock Commeroial ..., .. . 100
stock Do. 4 per Cent.Pret:Min. 100
stock East and West India .. 100 126 128
stock Londo' .... 100 55 58
stock St. Katharine........... 100 57 59 175
stook ;Southampton lOO
sit Ar IVI Arm' a.
.9.8 100 1

stock Commercial ......... ...I
stock Do. 4 per Cent.Pret.Min•
stock East and West India ..
stock London , .....
stock ,St. Katharine..........
stook ;Southampton
stick Victoria . ~
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iAW---THIS PAY.

COURT OF DIVORCE.
(Before the Judge Ordinary.)
YOUNG V. YOUNG.
This was a petition presented by the wife against the
husband for dissolution of marriage on the ground of
cruelty and adultery. The respondent denied the allega-
tions in the petition.
Dr. Spinks appeared for the petitioner, and Mr. Prit-
chard for the respondent.
Mrs. Martha Mary Thompson said—The petitioner was
her daughter. She was present at the marriage, which
took place in Launceston, Tasmania, in 1845. The service
was performed by a Protestant clergyman. The respon-
dant's conduct towards her daughter was of the greatest
cruelty. In Geelong he blackened her daughter's' eye, and
he was compelled to paint her eye before she could go on
the stage. We all arrived in England about five years ago
in the ship Kent. I saw him frequently strike her on the
voyage. He was in the habit of threatening to " do" for
his wife, and she was compelled to hide his razors. His
conduct altogether was one continued seiies of ill-
usage. After they had arrived in England Mr.
Charles Young obtained an engagement at tke
St. James's Theatre, and there her daughter told her her
husband had formed an intimacy with a Miss Sower& On
one occasion she followed them to a lodging in Raymond-
buildings, and on her daughter going up to the door Mr.
Young struck her.
Mrs. Young said she first became acquainted with Mr.
Charles Young in 1844, at Hobart Town. She was then
fourteen years of age. In the next yeS she married, and
after that they both went to Melbourne to perform under the
management of Mr. Coppin. After that they went to
Hobart Town, and for about 12 months Mr. Young treated
her very kindly. She could not recollect the first time he
struck her. In 1848, while we were keeping the Duchess
of Kent Hotel in Hobart Town, he had been out late, and
on coining into the parlour a gentleman was sitting there
taking refreshment. Mr. ,Young said—" I've caught you
at last," and then ho struck her with violence
about the head. He threatened to destroy himself,
but she persuaded him to come home, and ho did so. In
1849, when in Melbourne, he came in with a sword- stick
in his hand, and said he had killed a Mr. Bellville, and said
that he intended to kill her during the night. On the oc-
casion of her confinement Mr. Young struck her ten days
after, in consequence of her mother expostulating with
for being late. He sent for the doctor, and when he asked how
she was so bad, he told him it was his fault, as he had
been out drinking. She afterwards took her child out of
bed, and in consequence of his ill-treatment she left the
house with the intention of going to the Red Lion, where
she had been living previously. He followed her and
knocked her down in the road with the child in her arms.
He was always very jealous. He always made her take an
oath on the Bible that all her statements to him were true,
as to how she had passed her time when slib left the theatre.
Rule nisi granted, with costs.

SECONDARIES' COURT.
(Before Mr. Potter and a Jury.)
DETAINING A LACE MACHINE.-DAMAGES, £730.

BURTON Y. SMITH.

This was a writ of inquiry sent dawn from the Court of
Common Pleas to assess the damages, laid at £l,OOO, under
circumstances detailed by Mr. Field, counsel for the plain-

tiff.
The plaintiff and the defendant are residents of Notting-
ham, and carry on business there. The plaintiff let the
defendant a certain lace machine of the value of £550 in the
year 1858, and it was to be paid for by instalments, but in
the event of the defendant failing in any of the instalments
the plaintiff was entitled to have his machine. The defen-
dant had not kept up his payments, and as plaintiff
could not get his money the present action was brought.
In addition to the value of the machine, the defen-
dant was to pay so much in the shape of rent, and
in consequence of the defendant's keeping the machine
there was a count for 4iktenue. The defendant had not
pleaded to the action; but while he (Mr. Field) asked for a
verdict for the full amegimt as a protection to the plaintiff,
whatever payments had been made by he defendant should
be duly credited to him. The loss of the machine was
somewhat serious to the plaintiff, who was entitled to the
full amount.
Plaintiff's attorney was called, and bore out the facts con-
tained in the above statement.
The learned Secondary, in summing up, observed that
the defendant was not present to object to the damages.
The rent amounted to £lB2 10s., and the value of the lace
machine was £550.
I The jury assessed the damages at £732 10s.

CRIMINAL COURT--THIS DAY

OLD COURT.

(Before Mr. Justice Willes.)
John Haines surrendered to an indictment charging him
with the manslaughter of Thomas Mitchell.
The Judge said he did not think there was evidence to
bear out the charge.
The Jury therefore at once returned a verdict of not
guilty, and the defendant was discharged.
ATTEMPTING TO MURDER,
George Waite, labourer, aged 40, was indicted for
feloniously attempting to murder his wife. There was
also a second indictment, charging him with assaulting her
to do grievous bodily harm.
The prisoner pleaded not guilty.
From the evidence of the wife it appeared that the pri-
soner had been drinking to excess for two or three weeks,
and been unable to go to work, as he tt as suffering from
delirium frowns, and labouring under the delusion that
people were in his room. He continued in this state during
the Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. On the evening
of Thursday the 30th of April the wife went to bed about
10 o'clock, but got up at half-past 12 to give the
prisoner his medicine. Ile then urged her to come
into bed, and immediately she did so he thrust a file
used in sharpening a saw into her stomach. She got the
file from him, when he got out of bed and seized an axe,
which was lying among some firewood, and struck her some
blows on the side of the head, inflicting several very severe
wounds. She got away and ran down stairs, when the
prisoner threw the axe after her. The wife was afterwards
taken to St. Mary's Hospital, and the prisoner was con-
veyed to the station-house.
The police-constable said, when he asked the prisoner
why he had injured his wife, he said it was a good job she
got out of the way, or it would have been worse for her.
Dr. Brown, of Kensal-green, said when he examined
the woman he found two incised wounds on the head—one
over the right ear three inches in extent , and
annexeoe over the
left about an inch. Such an instrument as
produce the injury. On the abdomen he found a number
of bruises, and also some wounds, as if from a pointed
weapon—a file, for instance. At the station I saw the pri
- sonar, and found him labouring sander delirium tremens,
and he said he was jealous of his wife with a Jim Cock-
well. A person suffering so severely from deli, ium tremens
as the prisoner would, to a great extent, render him incap-
able of knowing right from wrong.
The learned Judge, in summing up the evidence, said he
must impress upon the jury that drunkenness must not be
considered as any excuse for crime.
The jury found the prisoner guilty of unlawful wounding.
Mr. Ribton said the prosecutrix wished to
.recommend
the prisoner to mercy.
The learned Judge said that was invariably the case;
the person injured always being most anxious that the
offender should escape punishment. He then sentenced
the prisoner to 18 months' hard labour in the House of
Correction.

NEW COURT.
(Before Mr. Commissioner Kerr.)

• UTTERING A PURGED LEASE.
William Claringbold, a respectable man, aged GO, pleaded
guilty, to an indictment charging him with uttering a forged
lease, and obtaining by fraudulent representations tho sum
of £6OO.
Mr. Commissioner Kerr said he had looked nvor the
depositions in this case, and he found that the prisoner
had obtained a large sum of money upon the faith
that the deed was a valid document. The person
advancing the money was to receive 20 per cent.,
but thit did not afford the slightest ground for altering the
sentence he was about to pass. It was of the highest im-
portance that crimes of the description to which the prisoner
had pleaded guilty should be severely punished, and he
therefore felt it his duty to sentence him to four years' penal
servitude.

THIRD EDITION.

SUN OFFICE, SEVEN O'CLOCK.

MPECJAL PAHLIAAIENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—THIS DAY.
The SPEAKER took the chair shortly acier twelve o'clock
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords' amendments to the Berwick-upon-Tweed
Harbour Bill was considered and agreed to.
The Bolton and Blackburn Road Bill, and the Shrews-
bury and Hereford Railway Bill were considered and
ordered to be read a third time.

PETITIONS.
Petitions were presented by Mr. Sotheron Estcourt, from
Norwich, against the Church Rate Bill ; by Mr. Hadfield,
from Sheffield, against certain clauses in the Savings
Banks Bill ; by Mr. Hope, from the Synod of Lothian and
Tweedale against the Scotch Education Bill; and by several
members, in favour of the Church Rates Abolition Bill,
CHURCH RATES ABOLITION BILL.
Sir J. I'RELAWNY moved the second reading of this
bill. In one respect he might feel discouraged in respect of
this measure from the repeated defeats he had sustained,
but, as on last occasion, the defeat was in a great measure
the act and deed of the supporters of the bill, in consequence
of ;heir having been led away with the idea of a compromise
on the subject, that discouragement was greatly lessened.
There was scarcely an hon. member in that house who did not
consider that some measure was necessary on the subject, and
he believed that the opposition he would meet with on the
present occasion would in effect be that the mode he pro-
posed to regulate the matter was not the proper one. The
object of hon. members on the Opposition side of the house
seemed to be to get rid of his bill by holding out hopes •of
the settlement of the question by compromise ; but when
this mode of settlement had been attempted, it had been
already seen what insurmountable difficulties rose up in
their path. He considered that Dissenters were right in
objecting to the form of compromise which had been pro •
posed, as he must say that toleration was not so prevalent
in the present day as some people would have them
believe. The other night he heard an hon. gentleman get up
and ask the Foreign Minister what action ha intended to take
as regarded the imprisoned Protestants in Spain. Of course
he could say nothing on the subject at the time, but he
must say he felt indignant, and if ho were Spanish Minis-
ter he should writea very authoritative letter to the Foreign
Minister on the subject, and tell him to see that toleration
was exercised in his own country before he found fault with
the mode of the exercise of it in others. (Cheers and
laughter.) It was said that without church rates there
would be no security for the restoration of churches ; but
he considered that church rates were the dry rot of the
Church, and were church rates abolished tomorrow he
had no doubt but that a perfectly efficient system for the
restoration of churches would be devised by the heritors of
the p rish. By the system of church rates the church-
wardens were the parties responsible for the restoration and
repairs of the church, and they needed not to go far to see
the disgraceful manner in which they performed their
duties in that respect, converting some of the finest speci-
mens of their old architecture into unseemly and uncomfort-
able structures. The fact was, he considered church rates as
altogether unsuited to the present age and time. What
would be said by philosophers 200 years hence in respect of
this system of church rates? What would be said by
the Wealeys, Darwins, Macaulays, or greater still,
by the Buckles, respecting this system ? Why,
would they. not characterise it as a political mon-
strosity; some strange specimen of a fox with wings,
which might have been presumed to exist in a former
age. He would not detain the- house, as the subject
had been discussed so often, and all the arguments for and
against the abolition of the impost were well known. He
must, however, say that let the supporters of these fates
declaim as they might, hon. members'on the Opposition
side of the house could not upset the Government, and they
could not hold the Government unless they consented to
the abolition of church rates. He therefore moved that
the bill be read a second time.
Mr. C. BUXTON seconded the motion, and stated that
he did so in order that some compromise might be arrived
at on the subject. He considered that the tendency of the
public mind was at present directed towards a compromise,
and though it might beSsome time before that was come to,
still he had no doubt that a scheme would ultimately be
devised which would satisfy all parties. As a means to
that compromise, he considered that the penalty at present
imposed for the refusal of church rates should be abolished.
That would do away with all practical grievance in the
case, and would reduce all objections to church rates to a,
theoretical character.
Mr. S. ESTCOURT said he had understood that the
hon. member who had just sat down rose for the purpose of
seconding the resolution, but his speech would lead one to
believe that such was not the case. (Hear, hear.) That,
however, was but one instance—and he had no doubt they
would hear many others in the course of the debate—of the
impossibility of the measure proposed by the hon. baronet.
The hon. baronet knew his opinions on the question
'very well, as they were expressed by h'm when the bill
was before the house last session. These opinions
were exactly the same this year, but ho could not help say-
ing that while 23 bills had been introduced on this subject
since it war first broached in the house, neither the house
nor the Government had proceeded with these in the same
creditable manner they had done in respect of other matters
which had come before them. No doubt several of these
schemes were mere crotchets, but still none of them did get
that consideration which the house were in the habit of giv-
ing to other subjects. In most of the schemes which had
been prepared by the other side of the house a distinc-
tion was drawn between Churchmen and Dissenters,
and rights were given to one party which was with-
held from the other. All the schemes were mere
expedients, which seemed to get rid of the main diffi-
culty, but none of them stood upon a well-defined
constitutional principle. He considered, therefore,
that to deal properly with this question they must deal
with it on a constitutional principle. He would, therefore,
move as an amendment—" That it is unjust and inexpe-
dient to abolish the ancient customary right, exercised from
time immemorial by the ratepayers of every parish in
England, to raise by rate amongst themselves the sums re-
quired for the repair of their church, until some other pro-
vision shall have been made by Parliament for the dis-
charge of those obligations, to which, by custom or statute,
the churchwardens, on the part of the parish, are liable.
Lord R. MONTGUE seconded the amendment.
Sir C. LEWIS said he had not intended to take part in
the debate, but after the remarks of the right hon. gentle-
man who had moved this amendment he would say a few
words, and he must say that, after the history of the case
given by the right hon. gentleman, when he stated that 23
bills had been introduced, and that useless discussions in-
numerable had taken place on these, he considered that one
might almost despair of introducing any measure at the
present day which would satisfactorily dispose of the case.
It was admitted on all hands that the existing law admitted
of amendment, and how were they to arrive at such amend-
ment ? On that point he must say that he despaired of any
such amendment being come to while the present law was
in existence, and he should therefore, as he had done on
former occasions, support the second reading of the bill now
before the house. In respect of the proposal which he had
himself made on the subject, he had made it as a modifica-
tion of a measure introduced into the House of Lords by
the Archbishop of Canterbury, and the report of a commit.
tee, of which the Earl of Derby was a member. The object
of that measure, and the recommendation of that committee,
was to free any one from the payment of church
rates who alleged themselves to be Dissenters, and as that
was considered a system of ticketing Dissenters as it was
called, his proposal was in effect that none but those who
were in the habit of attending the parish church should be
called upon to pay. He considered the amendments of the
right hon. gentleman to be wrong in point of fact, and in
point of law. As to the right of church rates being a right
exercised from time immemorial that was not so, for several
parishes had refused to exercise it, and the courts of law
had said they could not be compelled to do so. Besides
that, the House of Lords had decided in the Braintree
case, that a valid sale could not be made unless the majo-
rity of the vestry consented t ) it. (Hear, hear.) The
churchwardens therefore could not make a rate without the
consent of a majority of the vestry, and the law giving
them no power to make such rate they could not be said in
terms of the amendment to have the right to do so. He
considered the amendment, therefore, perfectly nugatory,
and shou'd vote for the second reading of the bill. (Cheers.)
Mr. MACDONOU said it there was any subject
more than another on which her Majesty's Government
ought to have introduced a measure, this was one, for it
was so intimately connected with the welfare of the Church
of which the gracious Sovereign was.the head. He consi-
dered the measure before the house as one of the most
illogical compositions ever presented to it. It was illogical
because it argued from particulars to generals, for was it
not arguing in that way to say that because some four h urn-
dred parishes were opposed to church-rates that,
.13ererfioeghi
they ought to be abolished in all the 12,000 T
hon. gentleman the Secretary for War had aches tha. ecthurch
rates were not of immemorial usage, but at
hon.
gentleman was much at fault with his history, for trom the
time of Canute church-rates had been peteincphratcotllce, the
had recourse to for the support of h The
right to do so was a custom, and sanctioned byu the com.
mon law of England, and itwouldanbed
notipfroolploerw to abolish
it without providing a substitute,
of the right hon. gentleman the Secretary at
the War and pull
down the building without providi g for means of
building it up. (Cheers.)
Mr. J. R. MILLS supported the measure. At the pre •
sent time, were all the churches in connection with the
Established Church full, there would be still five millions
of people without any church accommodation. No doubt,
the Church of England said, you can build churches for
yourselves ; but then there remained the grievance that
though they did so, they would be compelled to pay for the
maintenance of the parish churches' into which they could
enter. The amendment placed on the table would not ad-
vance the settlement of the question one whit. The only
way to settle it would be to submit a sulstantial and rea-
sonable proposition for a compromise, but as that had not
been done, he should support the second reading of the
measure. (Hear, hear.)
Col. BARTTELOT said that in the large towns, such
as Birmingham, Manehester, and Leeds, church rates had
been nominally abolished, for they were not sought to be
enforced ; while in the smaller towns the animosities against
them were year by year diminishing ; and in the rural dis-
tricts, where the people were all married in the parish
church and buried in the churchyard, they did not object
to pay them, and in these circumstances he thought the
time had arrived when a compromise on the subject might
be come to.
Mr. BRIGHT said he believed hon. gentlemen opposite
were acting in this matter not as religious Churchmen, but
as political Churchmen. They had by some means con-
verted this into a party question. The right hon. gentle-
man the member for Wiltshire had repudiated and disowned