The Sun.
London, England, 1862-05-02 00:00:00

RECENT MURDERS IN IRELAND.

Col. DICKSON gave notice that he would on nidar,
the 16th May, call the attention of the Chief Secretary for
Inland to certain murders recently committed in that coun-
try, and move for a select committee to inquire into the
organisation and employment of the Irish constabulary.

THE AMERICAN MAILS BETWEEN IRELAND

AND ENGLAND.

Mr. LEADER asked the Secretary to the Treasary,
whether his attention had been drawn to the delay that
occurs between the arrival of the American mails in Queens-
town harbour and their being placed on the Cork and Dub-
lin Railway for transmission to England ; and whether he
was aware that by using the Queenstown Railway a con-
siderable saving of time could be effected.
Mr. F. PEEL was understood to say that he had been
informed by the Post-office authorities that if they used the
railway instead of the steamers between Cork and Dublin
it would only effect a saving of about 35 minutes, but that
would not obviate the delay which sometimes arose be
tween Kingstown and Holyhead, which was the more im-
portant matter. The Post-office authorities in communi-
tion with the directors of the railway had found that there
would be considerable difficulty in running express trains
at any hour ?f the night, under these circumstances it was
intended to continue the present arrangement.
THE MARKETS AND FAIRS (IRELAND) BILL.
On the order of the day for the consideration of this bill
as amended.
Sir H. CAIRNS, in reference to the notice of motion
given by the hon, and learned member for Cork (Mr. V.
Scully) that this bill should be recommitted, said he would
venture to suggest to the Government that that course
would be the more convenient, as there were a great
many amendments on the paper, inasmuch as on the third
reading of the bill it would not be competent to make any
amendments, however much the clauses which might be
agreed to at the present stage of the bill should clash with
the clauses already passed.
Sir R. PEEL said if it were merely intended to re-com-
mit the bill for the purpose of discussing the amendments
on the paper and any new clauses, the Government would
not object to that course ; but if it were intended to re-com-
mit the whole of the clauses in the bill for the purpose of
discussing them over again, the Government would not
agree to such a course. (Hear, hear.)
After a short conversation, the house, on the motion that
the bill be re-commited in reference to the several clauses
proposed to be amended and the new clauses proposed to be
added, went into committee, Mr. Massey in the chair.
Mr. M'MAHON proposed the omission of clause 12, with

the view of substituting a clause exempting from the neces.
sity of weighing at the public weighing-houses goods sold
in the shop, place of business, or dwelling place of the
seller.

Sir R. PEEL objected to the amendment on the ground
that it struck at the root of compulsory weighing.
The clause was agreed to without amendment.
On clause 10, relating to the erection of a public weigh-
ing machine in the store-house of the merchant,

Mr. H. HERBERT referred to remonstrances which he
had received against the clause from the Chamber of Com-
merce of Dublin.

Sir R. PEEL believed that corn merchants were ade-
quately protected by another clause against any possible
injury.

Mr. CARDWELL said the only object of the clause was
to remedy what was felt to be an inconvenience. Tho pro
posed scale would be under the control of a weighing mas-
ter and would be a matter of general convenience.
Lord FERMOY said that nothing could justify the
clause except the conviction that great fraud was practised
in weighing in Ireland. He thought that it would defeat
the object contemplated by the bill.

Mr. GEORGE complained that Irish members bad been
taken by surprise, as they wore given to understand that
the bill would not come on that evening.
After some further discussion,
Sir R. PEEL said that before Easter he distinctly stated

that the measure wou'd be brought forward that night, and
he could not understand why it should not then be taken

into consideration.

Mr. MONSELL suggested that the bill should be re-
committed pro for-na, and that the r'ght hon. baronet's
amendments should be printed, or otherwise the house
would have:no clestr idea what it was they were passing. In
Limerick, howeverteivrery similar measure had been for
years in operation,, army-muss ut 3.1.---...frinannity were
strongly in favour of it.

Sir R. PEEL said the new clauses (which had been drawn
up with great care) were proposed solely with a ♦iew to
carry out the wishes of the house.
Sir H. CAIRNS believed that there was a unanimous
feeling in Ireland that the bill should not apply to merchants
dealing in foreign grain, who were not in the habit of using
the market at all, but who conducted their business in the
Corn Exchange. He thought that the committee should
now decide this question, but that the wording of the clause
might hereafter be reconsidered on the report.
Colonel DICKSON said the only thing he had understood
in the discussion was the proposal of his right hon. col-
league, that the bill should be re-committed.

Lord FERMOY moved that the Chairman report pro-
gress, in order that an opportunity might be afforded to the
country of forming an opinion on the new clauses which had
been added to the bill.
The committee then divided and the numbers were:—
For the motion
Against it
Sir R. PEEL said he did not wish to press the bill for-
ward. If the bill were allowed to pass through this stage,
the clauses might be reprinted and considered on bringing
up the report.
Mr. BRADY asked whether it was the intention of the
right hon. baronet to recommit the bill.
Sir R. PEEL--No.
Mr. CARDWELL explained that this bill, instead of
less, had received more consideration than usual.
Lord C. HAMILTON observed that owing to the circum-
stances of the day, several hon. members were absent who
wished to take part in the discussion.
Mr. VANCE said that, acting upon what he believed to
be good authority, he had told the committee of commerce
in Dublin that there was no chance of the bill going through
till next week, The measure was looked upon with great
anxiety in Ireland.
Lord PALMERSTON said it was quite clear it would be
for the convenience of the house to have the bill with his
right hen. friend's amendments considered. Then why
should not the committee pass the clauses pro forma
Then his right hon. friend might put in his amendments;
they would be printed ; and on the bringing up of the report
those parts of the bill which it was wished to discuss might
be recommitted and discussed in committee. (Hear.)
After some observations the proposition of the noble vis-
count was assented to, and new clauses were read a second
time with amendments, and agreed to pro forma.
The house resumed.

THE POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) No. 2 BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill, but progress
being objected to by many hon. members in consequence of
the lateness of the hour, the house immediately resumed
without any progresb L. 1136 made.,

BIRTHS AND DEATHS REGISTRATION (IRE•
-
LAND) BILL.

On the motion for the second reading of this bill,
Mr. HENNESSY suggested the propriety of passing at
that stage of the bill a resolution which should have the
effect of preventing tie employment of the police in the re-
gistration of births and deaths in Ireland. The police were,
as a rule, of too limited attainments to be entrusted with
the collection of statistics on a matter of such vital import-
ance, and the result of imposing uponthem that duty would
be to make the force unpopular. He moved—" That this
house is of opinion that it is not expedient to employ the
police as the registrars of births and deaths in Ireland,"
Mr. DAVISON regretted that the registration of mar•
riagas was not proposed to be dealt with by this bill. He
acknowledged the difficulty of dealing with that part of the
question, owing to the prevalence of religious differences in
Ireland, but he regarded the system at present in operation
as so unsatisfactory that he should view with gratification
any measure, from whatever source it came, which should
deal with the question of registration in all its branches. Ho
objected to the proposal of this measure to meet the expense
by local taxation, considering that the cost should be de-
frayed out of the Consolidated Fund. He should have pre-
ferred to the present bill the arrangements proposed last
year by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, believing as he
did that the medical officers of dispensary districts would be
more trustworthy agents in the collection of statistics with
regard to births and deaths than the constabulary force.
Dr. BRADY agreed both that a registration was abso-
lutely necessary for Ireland and that it was disgraceful to
that country not to have had ene established long ago.
best.At
the same time he denied that the police was the proper body
to which to entrust the duty. He considered that
the
men to perform the task would be the medical men ; and if
the house was not in a position to remunerate those gentle-
meni
properly for the work, let it wait till t was.
Sir F, HEYGATE considered that the police were not
the right body for this employment. He did not wish to say
word against the tow, but lie did hot with the peasantry