The Sun.
London, England, 1865-05-06 00:00:00

GRANITE FOR THE THAMES EMBANKMENT.

A report was brought up from the Thames Embankment
recommending that as a saving of only £16,000 would be
effected in the use of lime stone, that granite should bo used
for facing the Southern Thames Embankment.
Another report was brought up from the Thames Embank-
ment Committee in reference to a proposition made to ex-
tend the Thames Embankment from Battersea-bridge to
Pimlico, stating that they were not prepared to recommend
the board to execute the work.

Mr. LAMING hoped, as this was a work of so much im-
portance in having a promenade all the way from Black-
friars-bridge to Battersea-bridge, that the matter would be
referred back to the committee.

Mr. TITE, M.P., also supported the reference back to the
committee, but the report Was agreed to.

PROPOSED REMUNERATION TO THE ENGINEERS ON ACCOUNT
OF THE MAIN DRAINAGE WORKS.

Mr. Mn.r.-PR, M.P., moved the following resolution :
" That in consequence of the near completion of the main
drainage works, it be referred to the Main Drainage Com-
mittee to consider the propriety of granting a special remu-
neration to the engineer and assistant-engineers, and that
they report their recommendation thereon to this board."—
In doing so he said that the main drainage works hadreached
so near a completion that it was time that they should take
into consideration the extra services of their chief engineer
and his assistants in this work. They must all admit that
this was the greatest work of the time, and that it would be
considered so by generaiions to come. It had been acknow-
lodged so by both branches of the Legislature, and even
Royalty itself, in the person of the Prince of Wales, had
recognised the fact. He would not propose any sum, but
would simply move that the subject be referred to the Main
Drainage Committee. The salary of Mr. Bazalgette was
only £1,500 a year, with £2OO a year for travelling expenses,
and when they considered what the amount of only 1 per
cent. on such gigantic work would come to they would
feel that the salary of the engineer was not an adequate
compensation for the labour and responsibility thrown upon
him. It had been suggested that they should wait until
the works were completed, but he thought that, if their
officers were entitled to any extra remuneration, they ought
to have it at once and not in the course of two years' time.
Mr. TITE, M.P., seconded the motion, and said that he
agreed with Mr. Miller in the main as to what he had said,
but there were points on which he differed. Nevertheless it
was a fact that their work had been done as well as any work
in the world had been done, and at a very 19w price. He
thought the subject was one which ought to be fully in-
quired into, and therefore felt the greatest pleasure invoting
that the question be fully inquired into by a committee.
Mr. LEGGE supported the motion.
Mr. H. L. TAYLOR admitted the admirable manner in
which Mr. Bazalgette and his three coadjutors had done their
work, but ho thought as business men they ought to wait
till the works were complete and worked successfully before
they gave their officers gratuities. He denied that there
was any implied promise on the part of the Board to give
their officers gratuities, for they had been receiving their
salaries, and whatever was given them beyond them would
be entirely voluntary. His friend had said that he would
not propose any sum, but leave that to the committee ; but
the sum has been named, and he (Mr. Taylor) was alarmed
at the amount. He suggested that the question should be
postponed until the works were completed. He considered
that when it was contemplated to propose to give the
engineer a sum of £lo,ooo (Oh, oh !)—they ought to pause
before they proposed to let the matter go to a committee.
He admitted the ability and labour which had been dis-
played in carrying out the works, but at the same time ho
thought the time was not appropriate for taking such a step.
Ho moved as an amendment—" That on the completion and
development of the main drainage works, it be referred to
the Main Drainage Committee to consider the propriety of
granting a special remuneration to the engineer and assist-
ant engineers, and that they report their recommendation
to the board."
Mr. BROOKER seconded the amendment.

Mr. COLLINSON supported the original motion.
Mr. DOULTON, M.P., was surprised that any opposition
should be made to the motion. They had invited the Prince
of Wales to open the main drainage works, and ho thought
that the works were near enough to completion to justify
them in considering the services of the engineers.
Mr. FREEMAN approved the matter going before the com-
mittee, but at the same time thought they had better wait.
until the costs were wound up, because then the Board
would be in a position to vote a much larger and substan-

021 gratuity than at the present moment.
Mr. SAMUDA supported the motion, and considered that
if carried it would be:with:the intention of its being carried

out at once.
Mr. MILLER replied, and the amendment was negatived.
The original motion was then carried by a majority of 23
to 8.

The routine business was then disposed of, ana the Board
adjourned.

The Charge of Conspiracy to Defraud
Insurance Offices,

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Yesterday Mr. John George Barry and Mr. Alfred Barry,
brothers, wharfingers at Meriton's Wharf, Bermondsey, and
three of their foremen, Thorne, Arnett, and Sedg-wick, again
surrendered- to their recognisances before Mr. Alderman
Stone, at the justice-room of the Mansion-house, on the
chaxge in effect of conspiring together to defraud the Royal
Exchange and other insurance offices in the city of London
of large sums of money by, as is alleged, falsely representing
that certain commodities, but principally jute, in consider-
able quantities, had been destroyed at the fires which oc-
curred at their wharf in June and November last.

Mr. Giffard, Q.C., and Mr. Poland,- instructed by Messrs.
Humphreys and Morgan, solicitors, Newgate-street, again
conducted thelprosecution ; Mr. Sergeant Ballantine, in-
structed by Messrs. Tilleard, Golden, and Holmes, Old
Jewry, defended the brothers Barry, Mr. Sergeant Tindal
Atkinson the defendant Thorne, and Mr. Moss, solicitor,
of Gracechurch-street, the two other defendants.
The evidence taken atthe previousexamination, and now
reduced to the form of depositions, was read over to the
various witnesses by Mr. Oke, the chief clerk, and signed
by them, a process which occupied an hour. The evidence
in all its material parts has already been reported.
Mr. Giffard, Q.C., upon the whole of the evidence, as
being now complete, asked to have the defendants com-
mitted for trial on the charges of larceny, conspiracy, and
the statutable offence of obtaining money by false pretences,
as applicable to both the June and the November fires.
Mr. Sergeant Ballantine, for the Messrs. Barry, said he
did not propose to offer 'any observations to the Bench
against those gentlemen being committed tor trial. An
enormous amount of purely technical evidence would have
to be given at the trial, and he made no objection to the
formal manner of stating the charges on which it was pro-
posed to commit his clients. With reference to the element
of fraud, a grave question would arise hereafter as to the
intention with which the Messrs. Barry acted in the man-
agement of their business after the vast amount of confusion
consequent upon a great fire, and it would be the duty of
those who represented them as counsel upon their trial to
sift the evidence from which intention might be inferred
to the bottom. In the enormous pressure of business con-
sequent upon the fires there might have been and were
irregularities ; but what he should have to contend on the
trial was that there was no fraudulent intention on the
part of any of the persons charged, and he hoped, in com-
mon with every gentleman who had known the Messrs.
Barry for many years, to be able to convince the jury who
would have to try them of their complete innocence of any
intention to deceive.

Mr. Sergeant Tindal Atkinson submitted that, as re-
spected the defendant Thorne, whom he represented, there
was not a shred of evidence 'to justify his being sent for
trial, and that unless the Alderman was satisfied that the
evidence as respected him was likely to find credence with
a jury it would be cruel to expose him to the ordeal of a
trial. He was a man with 30 years' good character, and
whatever he might have done in the matters under consi-
deration he had simply obeyed the orders of his principals
and acted in the ordinary way of his duty.
Mr. Alderman STONE said, in his opinion, having gone
through the matter with Mr. Oke, the chief clerk, and
having carefully considered the evidence, there was suffi-
cient to justify him in sending all the defendants for trial.
Mr. Oke, the chief clerk, at the request of the Alderman,
told the defendants that as to the June firo they would be
charged with feloniously stealing 164 bales of jute belong-
ing to Mr. Theodore Baxter or to Messrs. Henry Clark
and others. They would also be charged, under the 24th
and 25th of Victoria, dap. 96, with causing and procuring,
by false pretences, to be paid by the London and Lanca-
shire Fire Insurance Company to Mr. Baxter a check for
£313 ss. 4d., with intent to defraud. There would be a
like charge of procuring a check for £1,275 ss. 10d. to be
paid by the North British and Mercantile Insurance Com-
pany to Messrs. Laing and Merridew, with intent to de-
fraud ; and a similar charge in respect to a check for
£1,594 2s. 3d. paid by the London Assurance Corporation
to Messrs. Laing and Merridew. They would likewise be
charged with conspiring to falsely represent that large
quantities of goods of Mr. Baxter, Messrs. Clark, Messrs.
Laing and Merridew, an 4 9thers at Meriton's Wharf, were
burnt and destroyed, with intent to defraud the London.
and Lancashire, the Nort,la , British and Mercantile, the
London Assurance, and divers other insurance companies.
They would further be charged with conspiring to steal a
large number of bales of jute and a large quantity of seed
belonging to Mr. Baxter„ Messrs. Clark, Messrs. Laing and
Merridew, and others ; and generally with conspiring to
cheat and defraud the sane persons of their goods. They
would also be charged with conspiring to obtain from the
North British and Mercantile, the London Assurance, the
London and Lancashire and other companies, divers checks
and sums of money, with intent to defraud them. As to
the November fire, they would be charged with feloniously
stealing 175 bales of jute, the goods of Mr. Baxter or of
Messrs. Clark; and 500 bales of jute, belonging to Messrs.
Trueman and Rouse. They would also be accused of con-
spiring to falsely represent that large quantities of goods of
Messrs. Perry and Waaggen, the City Bank, Messrs. Rose,
Graham, and Wilson, Messrs. Trueman and Rouse, Messrs.
Scheilizzi and Co., and other persons at Moriton's Wharf,
were burnt and destroyed, with intent to defraud the Royal
Insurance Company, Lambert Pole and others, Charles
Richard Pole, the London Assurance, the Liverpool and
London, and Globe, Sir John Musgrove and others, the
North British and Mercantile, the Manchester, the Royal
Exchange, the Northern, and divers other insurance com-
panies. They would be accused of conspiring to publish
false lists of the goods which were burnt and destroyed and
of the goods saved from the November fire, and so to de-
ceive and defraud the same insurance companies ; of con-
spiring to steal a large number of bales of jute and large
quantities of seed and rice belonging to Mr. Baxter, Messrs.
Clark, Messrs. Perry and Waaggen, the City Bank, Messrs.
Trueman and Rouse, Messrs. Scheilizzi and Co., Messrs.
Rose, Graham, and Wilson, and other persons ; and to ob-
tain from certain insurance companies named divers checks
and sums of money with intent to defraud them. They
would further be charged with causing and procuring by
false pretences to be paid•• checks for the following
amounts : To Messrs. Rose, Graham, and Wilson,
£1,343 odd by the North British and Mercantile;
£1,107 odd by the 'queen; and £513 10s. 10d. by the
Manchester, with intent to defraud. They would
also be accused, under the same Act, with causing and pro-
curing, by false pretences, to be paid cheques to Messrs.
Scheilizzi and Co.—namely, £6,310 odd by the:Northern,
£6,310 odd by the Royal Exchange, £2,103 odd by the
Royal, and £4,206 14s. odd by the North British and Mer-
cantile, with intent to defraud.
Mr. Alderman Stone then committed the defendants for
trial at the Central Criminal Court, but admitted them to
bail in the meantime—the Messrs. Barry, with their sure-
ties, in £ll,OOO in all; the defendant Thorne in two sure-
ties in .£1,000; and each of the defendants Arnett and Sedg-
wick, with two sureties, in £5OO.

The whole bail given amounted to £13,000. The sureties
for Mr. John George Barry, described as of Sydenham-
lodge, Foot's Cray, Kent, were Mr. James Morley, of Green-
street-house, East Hain, Essex, gentleman, and Mr. Fran-
cis Tress Barry, of the Clock-house, Beckenham, merchant.
Those for Mr. Alfred Barry, described as of Elmstone-house,
Beckenham, were Mr. Alexander Rose, of Stamford-hill,
broker, and Mr. Charles Delmar, wine merchant, of Dart-
moor-terrace, Blackheath.

MR. HENRY RUSSELL.—The Musical World says:
4‘ We are given, on good authority, to understand
that among the candidates named for the knighthood
which, it is said, is intended to be conferred on a member
of the musical profession, is Mr. Henry Russell, and that
his chances of receiving the honour are among the best.
On the ground of the numerous popular and national melo-
dies, hearth-songs and heart-songs, with which that com-
poser has endowed the people of this country, the choice is
one plainly justified by special and distinct claims, no less
than by a name of widespread popularity. Men who, like
Dibdin, have helped by their songs to awaken and keep
alive in the hearts of the people wholesome and patriotic
sentiments, confer a national benefit which deserves an
emphatic recognition." We may add that the composer of
such world-wide melodies as " Cheer, Boys, Cheer," " A
Life on the Ocean Wave," " I'm Afloat," " Woodman,
Spare that Tree," "The Ivy Green," "There's a Good
Time Coming, Boys," " The Maniac," " The Gambler's
Wife," "The Ship on Fire," "The Newfoundland Dog,"
" Far, far upon the sea," " To the West," " The Old Arm
Chair," and, wo believe, 600 other popular airs, is entitled
to some national mark of honour ; and we are sure the
people, who have been so greatly charmed, and not unfre-
quently so beneficially moved, by Mr. Russell's composi-
tions, would rejoice that honour was done to a man whose
compositions and whose singing have delighted the inha-
bitants of all parts of the world where our native tongue
is spoken.

THE CHARGE AGAINST THE EARL OF SHAFTES-
BURY'S STEWARD.—Mr. Waters appeared before the
Sherborne magistrates on Thursday to answer the charge
of misapplying the moneys of the Earl of Shaftesbury whilst
acting in the capacity of steward. On account of the death
of Mrs. Lewis, the wife of Mr. Waters's solicitor, the case
was postponed till the 30th inst., the recognisances of the
alleged defaulter being enlarged.
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