The Sun.
London, England, 1801-02-17 00:00:00

THANKS TO THE LATE SPEAKER.

Colonel FULL ARTON said, he rose for the
purpose of moving a Vote of Thanks to the Rt.
Hon. HENRY ADDINGTON, for his faithful and
impartial attention to the important duties of his
Office whilst Speaker of that House. There were
many circumstances which prevented him .from
digressing, by way of observation, on the pecu-
liar circumstance in which the Right. Hon. Gen-
tleman had stood. He should therefore content
himself with moving,
" That the Thanks of this House, be expressed

in the strongest terms, to the Rt. lion. flps:Ry
• ADDINGII3I4, for the exemplary and distin-
guished manner in which he performed the Duties
of Speaker during the whole period in which
he has occupied the Chair of the House of Com-
mons ; that he be assured, that the•proofs which
he has uniformly given of attachment to the Con-
stitution, the steadiness with which he has main-

tained the Privileges and Dignity of thiS House,
'the ability, integrity, and unremitting attention
Parliamentary business, which have so emi-
nently marked the whole of his Condtia, justly
entitle him to'our Approbation, Respdt, and Gra-
titude."
This Motion being seconded by the HOnourable
ROBERT GREVILLE;
Lord BELGRAPE said, he fully concurred in
*the present Motion, and had risen to express' his
hearty acquiescence in it, and he doubted not
but that in this declaration 'he spoke the unani.:
mous sentiment of the House ; for himself indivi-
dually, he could. not but strongly express his
sense of gratitude for the distinguished manner in
which the Right Hon. Gentleman had filled that
"Chair, " which," (addressing the present Speaker)
Lord BELGRAVE added, " you, Sir; now
with so mud) credit, and, I trust; will. long con.
tinue to occupy, as we may well entertain a san-
guine hope that your talenta will not be long un-
distinguished in these perilous md try ing. times."
Mr. ii. 4. TAYLOR said, that no one could,
more readily express. his sense 'of the talents of
the lute. Sneaker thairhimsef; but at the same
dale, he hoped that upon this Subjed, Gentle-
men would not intermingle the
,reasons for -His
Majesty's calling upon the Right 'Hon. Gentle.
man to fill another situation.
Prri-said, that whenever any Question
arose. which 'night refer to any or die eircum.
stances leading to the • subjdl of his quitting the
situation which he had the, honour to fill, be
must hope-for more than one oppOrtimity of his
' expressing them to the House. The present, how-
ever, was not that occasion. But he was 'sure
that the Question now moved, was. one on,which
there could exist no difference of opinion. The
House certainly owed a tiebt of gratitude to one.
of the most worthy Charafters, and from. the
manner in which that Gentleman had filled the
Chair, he was persuated they would now be una-
nimous., and at the same time agree to reserve to
another opportunity' the. discussion of points
,on
'which Gentlemet might probably disagree in
opLtion ; bia.o6.4ucl.‘Werence would, he" trusted,
intermingle itself upon. the present occasion.
-The Motiot of thanks was then put, anti car-
ried Nem. Crit.
CdMUITTEE OF SUPPLY.

The Order of the Day being read ' for the
House going Into a Committee of Supply to HIS
MAJESTY,
Mr. HAR.RISONIsa id, that as this was pre-
paratory to the House being called upon to vote an
increase of a perpetual Annuity of Twenty-eight
Millions, for which new Taxe4 mutt he raised,
to the mount of Two Millions annually, he must
:oppose the SPEAKER'S leavieg the Chair: :The
liouse was called upon • to' agree to this, at a
time when it BM ro;pstensiblp Minister, and
when the person who ought to be responsible to
his Country, and whom the house might deem it
'expedient to give dire .lions, or•impose restric-
tions, was not in his This •was now a
fad of notoriety. He had observed, that when
the Right Hon. Gentlematf (Mr. PITT) had been
that evening at the liar, .svit-if a Message from
IVlikjarry, he had been addressed from 'the
Chair, . not by the title of CHANCELLOR of. the
rixexr.ou ER, but simply by, his own name. At
present there was an unusual expenditure; Dur.
ing the American War, the Loan called for was
not more than Thirteen Millions; in the year
before the last,, the :Stun'regaired was Eighteen
Millions ; in ,-the last- year, it amounted:. 'to
Twenty Millions and a Half.; and this year, it
was said, that. the' Loan required would be • for
Twenty-eight Millions, not but that he was pet-
tedly sensibl6 that there must be large supplies ;
but what he had to say, was, that theHouscought
to pause, and, befirre voting them, that they ought
fo know tyho were the official persons, to direct the
t3overliment of the Country, and whether-they
were enabled to come forward with full peoers
and intentions of making• Peace, and putting a stop
to a destrudis e War ? Or whether it was their in-
. tention to carry on the., same system which had
brought such calaMities ppon the Country, and
to waste the money of 'the Country in-idle Ex.'
?editions, and in such a manner as to disgust
every Power w 4 which we were connected, and
which had brought us to oppose the gigantic
power of France empty, handed, deserted as we
DOW were by almost every: Power of Europe.—
It was too much- to bring such an unprecedented
charge, as that now proposed, upon the Country,
witl.out due deliberation'. , Ile was: far from en-

tertaining a wish to impede the necessary Supplies,
however hard they might ,bear on the middle.
classes of life, deprived of -their comforts, and.
almost of their very means. of:subsistence ;. but
under such eircomF-tances the House was,boundtd
'ltake care that there•should be no wanton Expen-
diture, and to put a stop to tharscandalous practice
of granting Pensions to those who had performed
but little service towards their Cauntry,(By this
remark he begged to be understood as not making
the most distant reference to the Motion of Re-
ward proposed that evening to a g'allant Officer).
Conceiving as he did, that it was his duty to oppose
the E it's leaving the Chair, he apprehended
that bat little public
,inconvenience would arise,
for he supposed the-nevi Ministers would be re-
turned in about ten days _lndeed there appeared
• to him to be no reason why the new Writs should
not have been already moved for ; had this been
done it would have saved disgrace to the House,
whereas nearly :Thirty Millions were about to be
moved for,.withont there appearing an ostensible
Minister. He wished therefore that the whole of
this business -might be postponed till the House
saw an ostensible 'Minister in his station. For
his own parb, hecould not but be of opinion that
both the entre, and the exit of the Ministry
about to be dismissed, were marked by the wound
they had given to the, Constitution.
Pirr.--" With • respect to the consist-
ency which the Hon. Gentleman marks between
the entrance and the exit of. the present Admi-
nistration, I would remind that Hon. Gentle-
man; that its entrance was marked by an at-
Aempt to persuade the House to refuse Sup.
plies to His MAJESTY—an attempt which
•proved to be unsuccessful—and now, at a time
when a majority' of seven-eighths of the House,
and nine-tenths of the' People had manifested
themselves in favour of the Administration on the
eve of its departure, and in the arrangement of
which I formed a part, it would indeed be sur-
prising if new, under circumstances so pressing,
a minority of tlth House, and of the Country,
should suppose- it became them to persuade the
House to depi'ive the Government, and the Coun-
try of the usual and necessary upplies, upon no
other ground than because those against whom
they have levelled their attacks, are about to
withdraw. 1 trust, tlierefare,_ that the defeat of
This attempt will be attended with, consequences
as salutary as 1 trust the attempt will appear to
have been salutary at the period.to which. I have
already alluded. The Hon. Gentleman complains
of some things which he thinks disrespeaful to
the House, because new. Writs have not been is-
sued at an earlier period ; but he ought to consi-
der, that whenever an alteration takes place in
His Majesty's Cduncils, it must be referred to
Hts• MAJESTY himself to consider the proper
time to fill,up the' chasm. But strange it
is, that the Honourable Gentleman
,should argue,
that because he ,considers • the present Ad-
_

ministration to be temporary .and irresponsible,
that therefore they may provide the Public Sup-
plies for the. present exigency without submitting
w tt • ut,. of Ntlivinont of all modes that

could have been .proposed, this is the' last that
I should think could ha ve been recommended,. and
one of the last by which. I shoPld think the lion.
Gentleman would will 'to abide: I feel it; Sir,
to be may duty to slate, thiriliegreatest public
inconvenience, woUld-izi4 from the delaying the
necessary Supplies. Considering the period when.
Parliament has met, and
,the circumstances which
fbr some days have- prOtraled of the
House, it would be
,impossible for any, Ministry
to sanetioli tor any considerable time longer, the
application of the Public Money without the ex-
,press approbation' of thisllouSe„ Having, Sir,
tound, on grounds on which it is not now ne,
cessary for ine to.enlarge, 'thatit ryas my duty to
entreat His MA J EST Y accept my: resignation,
I also consider it my diitynot 'tol relinquish the
office I have the honour of holding, I sub.
mite to the House- the Ways, 'and. Means for
the year,' v I am. aisxioui,' Sir, not to quit
my office till I execute this debt to the Pub
tic, I cannot do.this till the items about to' be
moved for have been realized; I therefore wish
that the votes for these items' niay pas 4 as soon
as possible. But the Hon. Gentleman tells us,
that the Public do not yet. know who • are
seleded to be the responsible Ministers ;, yet he
insinuates as-if Ministers afttially kept out of the
way. But I hope he will find that the person to
whoin.he most probably alludes, will not be opt
of the way when his conduct comes to bc.inquired
into,.or still more, when he can have an opinion
which he may think calculated to promote the
welfare of his Country. But to. whom, let me
ask, can responsibility at present. be attached, but
to those persons under whose Administration the
charges of Government have been incurred ? On
this ground, then,, there can be no foundation for
the Hon. Gentloman's objedion. But the Hon.
'Gentleman says, if he had reason to think the
new Administration were to be formed upon
different principles from the old, he should feel no
difficulty in voting for the Supplies.—Let the
candour of the Hun. Gentleman reflect how this
argument will be receivecl.by the House. . The
House knows that' the appointment of Ministers
rests with the Crown, and those who have been
appointed, have had the sanction of its approb-a-
rion. ..And yet his argument is, that were the
ilouse to know, that such a Government was
likely to be appointed, as would ,be the reverse
of that which had obtained 'its,•approbation, it
ought to place, in it,an almost unlimited con-
fidence! What
,would this be doing,. but to re-
linquish every thing which the House had thought
necessary to do for the public safety, and what
se ven.eighths of the House, and nine. tenths of the
Community at large, had thought essential to
the welfare of the Country ? • But then, the
Hon. Gentleman says, " from me, an indepen.
dent Member of Parliament, you. shall not find
an objedion 'to the Supplies, but unlas A. can
find that your seven-eighths of .the House arc
about-to be frustrated in your expedations,
would propose to.you to stop the Supplie3 neccs.
sary for the safety of thi. country !"
.Now,
when such is the sort of appeal made, there can
be but little doubt what`will be the result.—

The emstitotion of the Country'Tequires that
the House would wait to see on whom His MA-
ESTY fixe's his choice, and that (he House should
judge frotwevenfo as they arise, whether or not
to give Ministry its support. I know; Sir,: hut
of one instance to the contrary; and that was
when I was brought, unworthily, into Admi-
nistration ; but even then, the Constitutional
Question was not disputed ; it was only attempt.
ed to be veiled, by saying that the appointment
was conflated with Constitutional points. But
now, when it is not even suggested that the new
Government likely to be formed; will frustrate
the measures • which a
.great majoritrof
ment has already sanatoned, •it is little ,to be
_expeaed that .any argutnent can avail upon
this ground for stopping, the. Supplies.—But
from measures, .if we proceed' to consider men
—the House knows that one respectable in.
dividual is about to take a distinguished share in
the Adminiitration of affairs ; I mean, Sir,
your Predecessorin that Chair. When a Vote of
. Thanks was proposed to that person, I deprecated
drawingany inference frotn'the gratification which
the House had received from the manner in which
he had filled up one charaler, as to an expeda-
don of his success in sustaining another. . But .it

would be singular if, whilst the only fart we know
is, that the person whornlizs JESTY'hiIS fixed
on, is one who from three- successive Parliaments
has.
.received testimonies of public approbation,
ana who has this very day receivcd.the Warmest
thanks of the House, we were to call in question
the undoubted exercise of the Prerogative of the
Crown, :because the Manner in which he has
hitherto. exercised his important funaions, has
received'the' repeated 'approbation of the House
of Commons. I think, Sir, it is not possible that
there can be a division of sentiment in the House
as to the propriety of. going into a Cointhittee of
Supply." .
Mt. HARR I SON explained. a He said the Right
Hon. Gentleman had totally misunderstood him,
as if he had opposed the House going into a Com-
mittee of Supply because the new-Ministers were
not present.
Mr. IVESTERN said,. that.alt that was asked
was delaying the Snpplies till it was known in
whose hands the Government of the
:Country was
vested. Was it nor a constitutional jealousy to
be cautious in graming Supplies ? It appeared to
him that the first step: the House ought to take
should be, to address His Kist Es-ry to announce
whom he 'had chosen for his Ministers. As far
as the Public spoke out, it appeared.to him that
the change of Administration was.4issatisfattory
to every description of persons, .w)to knew that
the new Administration was to be composed
of persons ,who most -of them already held in-
ferior and subordinate offices, and were in close
connection with the present Administration ;
who knew that. they were creatures-moulded and
formed by) he-Right- Hon: G.entlernan ; men who
would be led., to :pursue the same system of mea-
sures which !ladled the Country into. its present
situation, and who were ready to do an as from
whichtheir Predecessors had shrieked; men who
came into oflice to disappoint the well grounded
expeaationsOt-the People, who were well at tach-
'ed to the Sovereign and the Constitution. He
would askwhether, under thesg circumstances, the
House could repose its confidence in an Admi-
nistration formed of such materials I He hoped,
therefore, that -the House would. pause on the
question of granting Supplies, till such time as it
had had .an opportuniq of examining into the
situation of the Country.,
01117'...'IREAD .Compl4it;ed, that the
Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Pm) had totally
misrepresented. the Speech of his Hon. Friend
(Mr. flitaxisost). HiS Hon.: Friend had express-
ed ,no wish to oppose granting the Supplies, but,
mcrely'for 'the' House deferring for a few -days
going in a qsmtnittee of Supply ; no ieriOns'in-
conVenience co-Lila arise from_ this. delay,. .The
§upplies had been voted to the ist of April, and
after having had inch large. Supplies, could the
Exchequer be now -so;exhausted,„and the service
of the' Country' so urgent, that 'the Supplies
could not be deferred' for two or three days ?
But if the Supplies were so pressing, he thought
this circumstance refietted great blame on the
CI4ANC E.LLOR of the EX,cneior His Hon.
Fiend did not mean to interfere with His Ma-
jesty's Prerogative in the choice of hiss Minis-
ters ; but at the same time, if the House should
be disappointed in His Majesty's choice, it rested
with it to refuse the Supplies, He Called etp the
House to see first whom His MAjESTY • would
appoint—who was' to be the Constitutional-- Mi-
nister, that the, House might then judge as..to the
.propriety of trusting the public pUrse into the
hands of this Minister. He could not indeed
suppose that the dismissal of the present Mi-
nisters could be 4t subjea of regret, if it
was considered either as,to their talent for eco-
nomy, or their regard, to, the Rights and Liber-
ties of the People; nor could he.suppose that they
could be succeeded by Ministers- .worse-than
themselves. So far from regretting the step which
His Ma tisTY had taken, hc thought that the
dissolution of the power of the present Miniitel-
,held out,sorne taint ray of hope to the Country:
Mr. BUXTON. thought it strange that any
Gentleman should refuse voting for the House
going into a Committee of Supply, merely be-
muse a- new Ministry was about to be appointed
by His MAJESTY. For his part, he loOked.not
to men but to measures.. To him it was indiffer-
ent who was in power, provided the measures
which were pursued were salutary.
Mr. J.ll. ADDINGTON saidihe was sure that
nothing but a sense of propriety could have pre-
vented his Hon. Relation from attending at that
time in the House. He, could take upon him to
say, that his Hon. Relation would never be found
backward in attending upon the House, to which
he owed so much, and nevermore -so -than' at the
present moment. With respea to hisßelation'sprin-,
civics, he trusted that it would not 6e.presumption
in him to refer the House to past condua on that
sobjea ; and he trusted also that his Hon. Relation
would never forfeit the good opinionOf that House,
by courting the 'favour, or stooping to be de-,
pendant upon any man, however respedablei• in

that important station which he would soon have
the Honour to fill. He was also sure that his Hon.
Relation would nee' claim the confidence of the
House till he had an opportunity of deserving :
it. All hehad now to request on his behalf was,
that he might not, be prejudged with respett to
those measures which in the situation he would-
stand in, he might find it his duty to pursue.
Mr. DENT'said, • -he -was--sat-isited that -the -
independent part of •that House .had a right to'
call for for an explanation, of the -reason of
Minister's Resignation. He could lip •
excuse for leaving the Country in its pre_
sett • Situation, when no explanation had taktfif
place. He
_trusted that the worse die , si-
tuation which tile Country might be in, the
more serious all parties would be to assist for the
general good. He knew not why an opinion
should be taken up that this Country was not in
a good situation as to its internal defence. •He
trusted that such a report Was fale, and flat
would appear there was a force sufficient, but he"
believed that
,at present the public Mind was not
satisfied upon this point.---ile should oppose
going .into a Committee of siii,ork till he had
heard more satisiidory reasons assigned the
Cifitirc E 1.1.0 R.of the ExcusQiitii for his quitting
the helm of Government.
Mr.
.HOBIJOUSE complained of the mis-
statements in the Speech Of the-Right Hon. Geri-
:tleman. He charged. him With haling plunged
the Country into a • burthensome and calamitous
'War. He had shown a• want'of Visdom 'in his •
manner of conduffing it. He had negleaed opr
porttinities of-negotiating; and- when 'he did cie.
gotiate,-there were the'-•most• evident marks
of insincerity. Under his :Administration
.the
Liberties of the Country had been almost an-
nihilatetr-- The Constitution had been defac-
ed—He had taken away the means of the
Peeples' assembling together to deliberate ;
whilst- this hollow quiet had been adduced as a
proof of general satisfaaion.. Persons had been
imprisoned for these three years. past, under the
Suspension of the Habeas Corpus Mt. When he
heard the Right Hon. Geßt le n speak of the
salutary' consequences of hii Administration, he
must enter his solemn protest ; and when tht
day of 'investigation arrived, he trusted , .7.
Right Hon. Gentleman would experience a sFvere
scrutiny into his conduct. .

,Mr. DUNDAS said,- there was something
ther singular, • and not very reipettful to the
1-fouse, in the, mode of argument v inch the Gen;:,
denier; on the othe-t side had adopted ; t-or their
censure was not ;on-ned
.to HIS. Majesty's Minis'-
ters, but they `had, - without hesitation, -reprol
bated' almost
.oery One of thhse • measures to
which'Parliameni for many years.baqk had given
its decided ,sandion. 'For the • HOn. Gentlemen
should tees:ilket; that 01 those -measures againit
which they Are 60 indignant, as tending to demtror
the liberties of the People, were fully investigated
in, and received the iin&ion of that nouse.
With respett to. the. investigatioti about -which
Gentlemen spoke, 'he conk! assure them, that for
one, be never would shrink froM investigation,
nor, he was sure, would any of them with -whop,
he had the honour to ad. • The Motion before the
House was to resolve itself •into,a.COmmittee of
Supply, in order to prOvide those means which s
would enable ,t hisCountly. ,to contend against •
the hostile League tbat, was formed against it :
the point therefore was, whether all means of dc_
fence should he aPandOned, and all.exertioci
should cease ; it was-uptin that alone the --Hou.se
had to.decide, If Gentlemen wished to enter
into a reirdifiea of the past conduit of-Ministers,,
they would have opportunities enough. for . that
puiposE, but upon the question before the House,
there was no ground for .retrospedion. The
Hon. Gentleman had-stated, that no Administra--
tion syhith succeeded to the present one; could be
worse than it had been : if the. Hon. Gentleman
was serious irithat opinion, and would not have
opposed granting Supplies to the pi•esentAdinini-
s•tration if they remained in office, there certainly .
could he no reason for nor granting them to art
Administration who, according to his own ac.
count, might..be 'better, but could not be worse
than the, present one. 'There had been many sub-,
jeiti.alluded to, upon which he wished, to trouble
the House, :btit there would be full opportunity
for discussing those points' at a fitter period.
Aft, NICK OLLS said, he wished . for some • 7.
delay upon the subjed ; but as he had_ formed his
opinion upon different grounds, perhaps, to thc4.e
which influeneeld. other Gentlemen, ' would
trouble the House , with 'a . few words upon the
subjeii.. With respeit.to the New Administra-
tion„ he, should give no bpitiion at present ; cer..
tainly he was not disposed, to exptess. himself 9f
them in terms at all disrespectful. He bad heird , •
that a Noble Lord, in. another place,. called the •
New *Administration a weak and rickety Ada&
nistration :he was not. disposed think them 1
weak or rickety,- beeltuse they had not the couo_
tenance of that. Noble Lord. ,For his own part,
he wished to givo them-lii; confidence, and he had
great hopes heshould. be able to do so : if they-
set themselve,s seriously.. to work to obtain Peace
for the Country, they-should Lace his support.:
He was aware, that under the present circum-
stances they must make an inglorious- Peace, bat ~
if they .obtained. the beit they could, he would
thank them for it. His reason Jot opposing the.
present Motion. Was this--4te thOoght that. the '
House had a right to know what the. Ministers'
objects and views were before they granted ebe '
Supply ;. -and' as 'no injury Could happen to the.
Country from a short atilsY,' he Aeuld-toni:utiii
the Motion. He could not help, observing, that
the Right Hon. Octitleman. opposite was retiring
from Administration- under circumstances by tin
means creditable to himself:- he had not stated
fairly the,groands upon which he withdrew; bur-
was __l NG,
was circulating =polls tending make the
tä h K
odious to [here 'was 'a general cry of " Order!'
Order !"] • . . •

Mr. PITT rose to call the Hon. Gentleman to
Order, as what he was stating had-puriiing. to d?
with the Question before the Houses .That.
Genticanan had no right `to introduce the name of
the Sovereign, particularly
*in an tusertiort .th it
was totally destitute of foundation,

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I Mr. NICHOLAS. said 'he considered himself
I * not ditorderly-; for .he was merely stating the
grounds upon which he .thought the coty2utt of
1, the Right Hon:Gentleman extremely reprehen.
Bible:
Mr. PITT begged •to say a very few words, in
answer to..what had fallen frornahe lion. Gentle-
man who spoke last : the time would come when
he could speak more, fully on this sul;jed ; until
that time, he trusted to the candour of the
,House, and when - they were fully explained,
il the insinuation of the Honourable Gentleman
! ••';( 'Would he found to be 'more than' unfounded.—
It had been stated, ' that, he bad given a .kind of
pledge as to the conduft of those who were,likely
•. to succeed him in office. In the first place, he
had 'given no such pledge, nor could he give any ; •
and, secondly, if he had, given • any pledge, he
had not only, not said what had been attributed
to him, but no man offairness who had attended
to him/ could have,supposed,him to have said so.
lie had given .no opinion of the conduft which
. , tilat,Administration was .likely to adopt, bet
, . - when it was urged on the; other side of the
k House, that they would probably aft upon the
same systern as His -Majesty's present Servants,
he had merely observed, that it was rather a
' sin' gu:ar mode of proceeding, to ask the House to
decide against the new Ministers, because they
-were likely to adopt that line of conduft which
the House had repeatedly sanftioned. , The Hon.
Gentleman who spoke last, had repeatedly ac:.
eased Ministers in a kind of qua inephrase, of re-i
fusing to mike Peace until the old Frsitch regime
was re-established; This. assertion had been
contradifted as often as it had been rnade,eand he
could now.only repeat, that -His. Majesty's Mi-
nisters had never said any thing;which could bear
such an interpretation.
Mr. SHER-WAN-said,. if ever these was a
eiree'when the House and the Country were,enti-
tied to plain dealing, instead of juggling and eva-
sive conduct, it was at the present most import-
ant crisis. He was clearly of opinion,. that his
E
Hon. Friend was not, asthe..Right Hon.• Gentl-
eman had stated, out of order. He knew that
His Majesty's name was not to be introduced for
the purpose afeentrauling or influencing the de_
hate, but if • a Member thought that Ministers
were afting,in such a manner as. to being-discre-
dit upon His West), :supine,. he conceived it to
be,perfettly consisterit ?aith order for a. Member
'to state it. If the .!tight: Hon, 'Gentleman and
his; Colleagues had left office 'upon fair, inanly,
anctConititational igrottiilS,. they would not have
left .the subject •in doubt----they syoul,'d have anxi-.
isu,, sly sought-an oppOrtunity of explainjng ~t fully,
to the House, ' "rife • Right Ha-, .Geritlimarti'
'however, had not 'thought •proper :toikile 'any
tar iSfsaloll ro the House.; hehad,-110Wei,•er, de-
nit(' file artith-of the rianones whidi_Were iu tit':
'ciliation respefting the '
causes .whichiel- 'to ate
`clang,: in ; Administration. T,he "Clarge which
'pad been brought agaiest'lVlinfiters by 'his lion.
Friend, and in • Which 'he' conceived hini to be
1iiit.41,1.1 in elder, was , this,' that Ministers had 1
11$1,e, alio . Country:in a -most dang.erous . gittation,
'riorefaeQinae they avere ,Oot:.vote4''iti ilte'Chtiiilee,
'not 'because they- were out voted in that' Haiise',
imebecause theme hid 'liena tleifi7ll on the part
•, • • .•
if, the. Sovereign to .comoly• with,the ,:vi:die, of
ta ;thin,sity :at' t 4: Ithint i,: .-,,'Ybe,,k i,ght Non-.;
:'Cliittleinan.hat.l) litiweVer,, ftiainised,: that ;10(1111e-
-future period,lie•wouldbernore explicit ;"11e'lltiped
hAertildrtlike; an lettily44lty-ftsrllikstirpose. ' Ile
ailutelatot hei;pObserVioge that` it; W.'asysittiter a;sin_
:gular distinittionofan.lin.NtluberhOhadspo,
ken' Some.-s4ine; befOre, who had wtN, ; that it wits
due from Ministers to.thetiiidepquient,..Flembers
Alf, gilt' litiUsi*-4914e .an 'Cillialtittt6ti. - .I.lils'eer-
•tainly was rather str.tnge lanstia4e ; ati,stbk:.talk.
'ink- so emplititk•allVlOfindepenefent-Wlemfwrs, the
lion. Gentlenin .seettted toinsinuitte; what :%vils
dot. very respeall ;to the Isouse,
.01:4i aili ;1`4,01_ ,
ii esw . beeretniatin that 'situation, Ishe_floit. GCn_ '
' tieutan.; however, •.svlio
.hatl-rnitle
(ihe'Mation,*was-
.
tolerably competent to speak- upon The point, for
he had for a long time formed (Ale of that Majo.
rkk of Severeighths whic'h the .Right 'Hon: Geri: '
•tleman had. 4oasted-of, and' etinSe4uently could '
_form something.iike a guess ,slain the uitijea;__:._
i 'lt had been saki, that atriignini the- Condua Of
a Ailinistets -was coiisuring: the • I ecisinn of 'iliac
•
~House;- bee:this wits an aswrtion for Which then.
v:,as not -the sligliteat
.'foundatitiii. :.1"1• I •.'
4 , (- ldi u
, was, that
.the Ministers had carried on the War
. _without skill,' and. Without- success. . No b d •
• 0 4
r .11:14 fo'Und fault With'ilarliaittrnt .'for irantintlie
•
1 /Supplies.. the accusation Was, that They had been
i ;misapplied. • His Hon. Friend had expressed his
1 surprize,4 and he could: *not help ..ee u cur ring , 'iii
opinion with hitn,' that. theTßight•lTon. Gentle-
-4 snan should,congratulate biliseit opalr his leiving
-ice ilissuch' an unintelligible mainier, with de.
Country iiisuch a dangerous s`tate; having al not,t
the whole World for its ;Enemy, after htiv ink ex-
, .
_petaled 300,000,0001. of ninety, and naving lost
.the lives of 2oviodo men. -It was indeed rash
_singular, that after such' .a 'disgraceful War; the
Right- Hon. 9entleman 'shotild choose ; that mo.
.raent to congratulate the House upon his beirt
,chosen intoOfficein•the year 1784. He believed
the House sincerely repented the confidence they
.1 . had reposed in that-Right Hon: Gentleman. Ile
believed there ;was not a 'Gentleman on the other
iside of the House, • who did, nbt sincerely regret!
his having supported• Ministers, when they re-
fused BON All A ill is" offer .to. negtli3te—when •af-I
tertVarils their would not treat witli-M:ioTrci; on,
thezeteAce..of
.th,e,,Etigagealtass,:vaih.,-the Eat_:
PEROR ; he believed there was ,not a Gentleman:
: • -who-did•nor lament that, when that ohs-tat-1e was;
• , taken away, by the FMPERi,R's making Peace,l

a fresh attempt 'had not. been; made to set on foot,
2. Negotiation. The light Hon. Gentleman had,:
with his usual ingefluity, attettined to,lhift.tber
real purport oi.ae.Questione.and to give it a.
charad'et- which did not helpni to it : he had.
stated this to 'he .a Wescion, iVhcther the Sup-
.
plies werc to be. &ranted, and wh.ether the Public,
Serv4e Avds to gi7ii oh ? if this kind of language
was iTD.frattrit Arreffeatiall;i sxtinguish all
the fun Lions of- that House: tc.%yqu vt a. .s be_,
said, " Our situation is • 'dangerous, therefore
t,• there is no time for Inquiry ; you must grant the

Supplies without investigation, or clie you wili
leave the Country in a defencele.s situation."--:-
If the objet of lth Hon. Friend was to withhold
the Supplies, he for -one certainly would not sup_
port him; but. he had no such ableft:-it was not
to refuse the Supplies, but to delay them for
a short ',timed) until the Roust knew and saw the
Ministers into whose- disposaLthey..were about to
trust ouch. an.immense sure of money. The Right
Hon. Gentle Man had said, he would always there
be ready to-defend his condo& ; but that was nor
what they wAnted..; they wanted to know who
were to spend this enormous sum, which was to
be raised upon the PeOple, and bow it was to be
expended.: The Right Hon: Gentleman had al-
luded to the' case of 1784, and to the conttua of
the Opposition of that day ; he would not now
argue* whether the condua of that Opposition
W.IS right or wrong ; he would leave that'point
to be settled bet Ween the,Right Hon. Gentleman
and his friend the SE,CR ETARY At WAR: • It was,:
however, a little singular, that mat* .of those
persons whose c9nduEt he had so strongly reviled
in 1784., were the very persons Avhom he now
left in office, and of whose .future conthia : ibex
Right Hon. Gentleman had augured so favoura.
bly. The Right Hon, Gentleman had, howevee,
stated, that he,would noroit his Station-until
he had forwarded the Wa}is and Means of the,
year. Ibis, however, was, pot the condua of
the
.Right Hon. Gentleman in .;84. He.(Mr.
SHERIDAN) re Menthe tad cbrai lig" into office at
that period, upon' the Right 'Hon. Gentleman's
retirement,: ,who Was then but a:Boy'MinisM,
lie:, howevg, Jeft.an,empty satchel Wind:hill),
.not -a scrap of a Tax or negotiationefar: a I.OAn.
It was therefore fair to• infer now; when the
liolht Hcin:-..Gentleman aeted so‘clifFerent a
manner, that he conOklertdhis successors in the
same light .as himself.. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man had stated, Chat he had given no pledge with
respeft to the future conduct of the New Admi-
nistration ; ,but ,the Right Hon. Gentleman surely
could not .)e ignorant of what had fallen cram one
of His Majesty's Ministers in another plaCe (to
which. it would not be regular in him-to allude)
that Noble ~.Lord had stated that the ,Connoy
need, not be alarmed, for that the new Ministers
would ad upon the same principles as the old ones.
As to pledges.of this kind, he placed rio reliance
upon them ; what ,he wanted was, to 'have some
persons
,present, who ,were responsihle.,:And who
would,zive th.: j louse some saxisf,laioli as to the
manner in which the money was toile expendett
Fie f.ertainly•did
.nortuean.to. say' any !thins un-
civil -trail. Maiesty"s new StAryantst lika it. the:
Country:, if Pur Allies (supposing
,we' had any),
if auto c Was mid that they Might place the same
etinfidnc.:6 irrrhe "chew' Ministers. that they.harl in
the old, ¶hie Itelieited the general ;Sat would :he,
tha t t 4y„tv,crxny! entit.lo to ;the mine confidence-.
He was sopaking of -tVose Who. really placec cop,
cadence 'the' 1.1-te-'Admfnist rat ion--4,theyneh+
eoaldlphtovdorifittenne 'the 4tetui ;. to
them *it moo AIWA!: 44- str4llP,As ifigsguns,of
a; ship thrown over-board= in or er .to pie-
j re her fir aeti&l, and thafsthe'crewAlioughllt-
silffidient to-have a few 'swAttel.s.',anittarronades
on the quartArtskx,k ; or, as if wheli a ship was in
,storin, they cat' .Away
,the rudder in order to
li fir: a her, .4There was a phrase very lunch lin
when thirttligitSe-wai ballot big 'for Commit..
lees on EitClions,' arhigh ,was foot-gety v6ite;
-it hatl,:l!cfp .intta(*ed Gentirpleit rqf
the Law,'' th'ic were ,s i6k otilie
dames or wllll'
',‘":l4tinoCk out ithetfriairrbithe,List.!:.!
injAtereopt..tin,
stanc(.., .4114,thenia. !nark ...was shippld upon the
'eil?pqr sku'hl',' -and the •wtefelolit, rr' I t"i as
fine a -figure' as lyoit- 4641ti"sitiliarto .A TM*
must be the language of ~0410;p04,3vgrei
0.114,y attaQhed to the 4;11 yipitEzts,-)+, 14-/Nlio
really placed epitlitince in -thent,, With tOspeti
t 6 his owtitipiitioil, aI P?Ctener.he'Jwould":Stiff
say, that therwete:verr•iiespettalie oren,.paiii-
cularly the Right Hon. Gentleman who lately
filled, the Chair of that :House, so mnchstohis.oA
honour and the :ulvanlaie 'of thiairettisi:'' Ht.:had
no d&tbc but' that-the Hon.Gtsn denial' who
now:filla tlle Wiaiuilvel.oll9v.il4 ,bliA,4+ll3Pl;
would obtain the esteem and afieCtion ot.4l,sides
of the" HOuse. The Right,.. Ron. qentleman' (the
laid Spealtier) hh'oveNtr nru t.4dtipt a 4,diftiretit
line of conduct; he must nut follow the.lex;-
ample, if he wishitd.to-igijoy. the' confidence,
fly :protnote,rtiV Wiliness-30V the 'People: ;. he
must ad in direct, opposition to his Vrecle;.
cessor ; he ,mast- .}hot . destroy the Rights And
Privilegevol:the 'People ; he must not squander'
away
.the public 'Treasure
,he must not ,advise
the lavishitwitway the tionckurs ol the crown
in the manner they .1141,,i4een.,
,He would. 'not
,•: large upon the se topics any more' at present,
but should conclude with st'aiing, that in his opi-
6ion pbsSibre inconvenience could result from
the delay ,which wai Proposed, and therefore it
• aliouid have his 'support. •
•
Mr. PIT,T, in reply, 'poke nearly as follows :
" Sir, in the course. of what fell from' the Hon.
Gentleman' whp has, just sat down, there was. one
allusion so personal to me, thai I trust I shall I
be permitted to say a few words in teply,:andi
that the candour dt'thc House wilindt confine
me to the strict terms /31.ati-Oplanatitm. When
I interrnpted4to Hon. Gentleman some time ago,l
with that degree . of warmth .which was natural!
on such„an occasion, .1 stated,. in as sstroogl
terms a$ I could, that the idea was not
founded, that I had suggested any rumour in.
jurious to that Sovereign whom I. have servedi
for so many years, and to whom, more perhaps'
_ than any other, man in his ,dominions, I am bound;
by every tie_ of gratitude, duty, and affeelion.
I have been accused of having refused to give,
. the House any explanation upon the subject of
my resignation. Sir, I did` not decline giving
the House an explanation upon that subjeft ; but
I must be permitted to obierve, that it Appears
to me to be a new :!;At, not a very Constitutional
.
dodrine, that; amariatt n..t:.not• follow his sense of
duty—that a man must not, in compliance with
..tho,didatts of-his- conscience, :ti.,fue from office,
without being bound to give to this-kiouse and to
the Public an account of all the circtuustunees

that .Weigh in Ms: nit".......uns ce #tis =du&
1 never till now, Sir, heard it imputed to a man
as a crime, that from a sense' of he gave up
h great • and arduous situation, which, it Was_ the
great objed of his a.mbition. to:Obtain, and which
It was the first wish of
.his heatt to fill during
the continuance of the great-and. important strug-
gle in which this Coutitry is now englged.7—
With respell to the • resignation of myself, and of
some-of my Friends, I have no wish to disguise
from the House, that we did feel it an inciunbent
duty upon us to propose a Measure on the .part
of Government, which, under the circumstances
of the Union so happily effected bet Ween the two
Countries, we thought of great public import-
ance, and necessary tocompleat the benefits like-
' ly to result from that Measure : that we felt this
opinion so strongly, that when we. found circum-
stances that rendered it. impossible for us to pro-
pose it as a Measure of Government, we equally
felt it inconsistent with our duty and our honour
Any longer to remain "a part of that Government.
What mayhe the opinion of others, I- know not,
but I beg to have it.understood to be a measure
which, if I had remained in Government, 'I must-
have proposed.—What- my conduEt will be in -a
Miff treat situation, must be regulated by a mature
and impartial- review of all the circumstances of
the.case I Shall- he governed. (as it .h-ai. always
been the wish of my life to be) • only by
such
considerations as 1 ilfink best tend to ensure the
tranquillity,. the..strength, and the happiness of
the Empire."
'The Motion for going Into a rgommitree was
then put and agreed to without a division. --
NAVY ESTINIAT ES.

The House resolved itself into a Committee of
Supply, Mr. BK.AooE in the Chair.
ELIOT moved, that there be granted
for. the Sea Service 1.35,000 Men for ten months,
inclOding 30,000 Matines,
71 ERNEI' observed, that this t 1: q; a very
considerable inerak that the ti,utnber or men
voted on a former occa:iion did not exceed
120,000 men.

Mr. Pin' obserVed, that it was very desir-
able, under the present' circuinstances, to. carry
the strength of the Country as fitr as jioasibie,
because we might have to contend forrprrneipies
which w'erees4ntial to our Naval l'olver. There'

hatt`heen-•#lreatiy ,voted for the service of this
ft:11- 120,000 men ; -1.11(1 he vas Isttrt.
Gentleinon, upon conifiera:ion, would-not
the presila ilicrease too-great. •
- The Motion was then agreed-to. ' • •

•
of moved, That a Stun not , ditceitring
21,49#,560t. tie:granted for the Wages of the said z35,cp00
Mon for ten month}. :AF inontli,—A;reeit to,
Air; F. t. t, io r ihoved; That a S.um not ,-..ccettirig
i°,573;ti001: he. grant6t tor' Victuals tot the .said
hgenitOrtgen trunufis.-7Agreed to.
Mr. ELLIO-r moved, T,iiikt A Slim not exceeding
330„001. be graiited tOr'the `eXpenee of 'Ordnance on Wait
the-said Sbips.—Agte6rl to.
Mr. • uttwitil, That. a: Spun not exceeding
4.0.50,0001, kranted-tbr the Wear and Tear of th, Ships
on board yr Nei/ the Laid Man arc 10 bc.cmployed.—Astedd
. ,•
~Mr. Ay!! ort- 'Dint *het; be Fantod a Sum
nbt excceding 637,..11111.,95. t)rdin.iry Of•the
I'ivy:. 16T ten Ifidntlt —AgNec`l
Mr. ELI. I T 1110 xi, Wit t See 17e granted a Sant r
..int
/ vcr
above the scutiindtcar.—sigiecc to.
viVir.: F. rOT 1110Ved, 'l'llAt that: 4+c grail-tett A' novid
examang -1,44 S , 06A. ti►r the cxpanoe of tuo,Tnniliirt
Service,- and tor, theluirtntewAnct.of Prisonzr.; s W,a7lilt
hcalth'ior tell 1110110p;;.—Aviteihi kV). ' !!"
Mr. ELt.iy.r ritoved, That -Murk, taiittclat A.titi ttiO t
4X4:40.11140;5.75 • for the care anti im.ntritank:eof
Prisoners o 1 War tik;test 'skint bs.'----Agried.to-.
• e! -

ARMY EAT4AJA TES.
ThoW.RET .12Y at WAR then •rose, for .she
purpose of callin.ethe attention of the Committee
to the Army Estimates, The Committee woyld
percetye in the estimates of this year, many
things,'whi6h were not usually in the 'Estimates
(he alluded to the statements tesp4aing :the Army
in Ireland), which used to be separate, bur which
no W, in consequence.of the Union, formed a part
of the Gcneral,Estiinate. TheComtnittee, how-
ever, .tvotikl now have before them, in one short

:view, an account of all description of Troops. in
:the service of the whole,Empire. The number of
.r-regular Forces, Cavalry and Infantry, anaottnted
to 10, fB7 men. T,he number of bath
British and Irish, ..was Fencibles,
Both 'British .and Irish, 31,445-7-so
,that the
/whole -Force in, the Empire, in' these. three
deseripsipns of Troops, -exeltisive • of the
teEr Corps, amounted to 302,64 i
eipencc ,of maintaining ..this_ Force, would be

ti,9+6;8891. ,In dissiinguishint between the
expeucc col the two Countries,. g 'would 'stand
thus, for Great •Britain, 9,617,0301.
3,3'23401,
,making. together 'the sum, he had
before stated, 0f,1%,94.0,581. In comparing the
Estimates of this with those of .the last. year, the
Estimates for ;he present year exceeded lust year,
by 762,4591. uolcss than 65.6,3,881. was incurred
in consequence of an augmentation which had
been made in the Army, by adding two companies
to. each battalion, and by incroasing the Cavalry.
The real difference therefore between the Esti-
mates of this and of the last year, .was not much
more than tocoool.—With respet to the Irish
Estimates, .he could: not compare them, from his
own knowledge, but he understood the difference
. was AOL considerable. •

He then observed, that an allowahce had been
held 'accessary to be granted to the Troops in
Ireland, which were placed in a different situa-
tion from that in which they stood formerly. The
relative situation of the two Countries had been
altered considerably since the Union ; and it had,
upon rouch-consideration;been thought necessary
to . equalize the Establishments between
Country and Ireland on the allowance to Soldiers,,
so that when Tropps came over here from!ire-i
land, or went there from hence, there should pot'
be felt by them any difference :in tlteir situation,'
and then .thre would he, as much as it was pos.i
sibie to procure it, an indifefence in the Tioopsl
which of the two Countr:.!,i they should serve in ;i
for these reasons, the same advantages were held!
oat in both. Ile would advert to a few particu.i
tars. There was an allowance, wall known un,,
ilet the name of Beer-Money, which consisted of
a penny per day to each man in addition to what:
.they had before. There Was another allowance,

. .
in England, whieli cocould••
bey Made. to .Troops
in Ireland as it was in England, on account of
the 4tAte bt-the roads and of the inns upon , thi
roads ; the•allowance to the Troops on march,
therefore, would not be in the 'same way theie as
it was here, but the Troops would there have an
equivalent to that which' was allowed muter that
head in this Country. There was a dilitcalty in
adjusting this business to exatiness, but,the
deavour was. to put the Soldiers in Ireland upon
the same condition as those in England, in this-
as well as, in other particulars. .After a great
deal of consideration upon it,
.however, .by Gen-
tlemen infinitely better qualified to form opinions
on it 'than he pretended to he, and particularly
4he Noble Lord near him, it was determined that
Soldiers on their march in Ireland should have an
allowance of four-pence, and the Dragoons thtee-
pence per day. . The reason why the allowance
was one penny less to the -Dragoon than to the
Foot Soldier was, that the Dragoon could better
contribute to his own support at present than the.
Foot Soldier can ; the allowance of the one being
ren•penee in all, and the other only. nine pence.
Having detailed this and other topics at consi.
derable length and obsetved that one thing re.
stilted from this plan, which was rather in favour
ofthose who served in Ireland by the difference
there was in the price of the necessaries of life
there and here, and the pay in both was the same.
It:was to be observed, however, that the calcu-
lation of the Irish Estimates were made in Eng,
lish money, and were to he so paid,,. The Esti,,
males he then proceeded to enumerate in some
parts, and observed, that upon the whole they
exceeded that of the last ;year. about .ioo,oool.
They consisted of a number of items, Which were
comiderable in themselves, hut which he should
not dwell upon, unless he understood that they
were to become the sUbje4 of particular inquiry :
he Should * therefore proceed to move his Resolu-
tions. He then moved, That it is the opinion of
the Committee, that 58,387' men, be em-
ployed for that part. of the United Kingdom of
Great Britain, called England, Jersey,
seY, and Alderney, fat the service of the year
IBoi.

The:question being put,
Mr. GREY said, he was very sorry that he
could not agree .with the Right :flop. Gentleman.
Fie had dwelt but on 'this Matter : al-
though it WAS of magnitude and'importance, no
explanation wits given to ale noose, either as to
the thing itself, or the mode. If he understood
the Right Hon. Gentleman rightly, the augment..
ation he proposed to have in the Army was very
great, no less than about
,20„000 men.--7[l-lere he
was corrected, and informed tIW the ineruw was
only to,000.) Taking that to he so, the .num-
her was . very great in addition to what we .had
already. He did .not mean to say drat this num-
herought not to be voted at all, but he was of
opinion • •
i it ought not to be voted until die
sity for it was proved, and until some explana.
tion was given of the mode in which it was pro..
posed to .be :done. This was the more necessary,
when the :House came to rcolledt what was the
case the last two years. A great force was then
ritibed for the internal defence of this .Country,.
a hen we were under the alarm of an Inyasioth
Cid that occasion the force of the Conntry
retied a considerable increase Most
..atoe it was,for our, internal defence : that attn.
tip nal force was afterwards turned into an addition
to she regular force of the Country. There was
golnAl reason for the additional force to the Mi-
litot when we had an alarm of an Itivasian ; but
now there was no additional force wanted for,ol-
- service, etccp: by she :NorSherntonfe.:
&racy, which he apprehended was not considered
by Ministers as alarming, He did ,not
„know
whether this. force w.ts meant for defensive or of.:
fensive operations, for that was not explained;
but if the same Gentlemen,were to continue 'in
Administsation as had composed it I'm years, jzo
should have no he,:itation in saying, that' he had
had t00,406ch experience of them, to think
it . prudent to allow iheM the disposal 'of
such a !farce as that ;which was now pro,
pOfcd, for they had wasted sp. much Trea-
sure in fruitless and disgraceful Expeditions,
that they could not betrusted with the powor of
doing it again. In a ,word, he should be readiet
at all dames,. and partictilarly at this rime, toas,
sent to the Augmentation,of the Militia than the
Rqgular orces,. if our .objed was Defensive Opt,
ration.

The SECRETARY at fr A R said, that he
had not much .to urge upon this subjea. As to
tile general policy of the matter, he owned that,
until he heard the Hon. Gentleman who had just-
spoken, he-thought there would have been no dd.
ference of opinion, and it was with extreme sur-
prize that he heard that part of the Hon. Gentle- '
man's Speech which 'related to that point. He
:wassurpriied to hear the Hon. Gentleman make ,
somuch difference as he seemed to do, between
the Militia and the RegUlar 'Force of thiS Coun.
try, and to prefer the tilitia to the likegular
Force, as an attive Body for Defensive Opera-
don. This was a general Military Question, and
he did not bet himself well qdalified 'to discuss it
much. It the Honourable Gentlenian eqetlett
those who were to succeed thepresent Ministers
to be-better qualified for their Offices,. perhaps- he
might lend them his Support_,l but he apprehenti4r.
ed that the power of acting offensively against the
Enemy, whenever an opportunity occurred for
that purpose, and that became necessary, he ap.
preheiided, ought to be 'given to every Admini-
stration ; when that should take place, and hoed,
were topics which he was not inclined, at pre.
sent, to discuss. But it was a li4tle
that these objedions came from the Hon.
man at a time when there was no opportunity of
ading offensively on 'the part' of this Country,
for none of the force now proposed was at
present considered as going out of the CoUn..
try. And what was still more extraordinary
was :this., the Hon. Gentlenvds ideal • were
not only that the increase of our force should kg
confined to those who may remain within the
Country, but who cannot be cOmpelfed to. go.
out o 1 it, and that to the knowlege of 'the
Enemy. • It . was now fur the first tints the