The Sun.
London, England, 1862-05-22 00:00:00

Mr. GEORGE and Mr. HENLEY supported the bill.
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Mr. HADFIELD cot sidered that a bill should be
brought in to do away with the law of judgment altogether,
and he did not think that the present measure went far
enough.
Mr. M‘DONOUGH said that the law in Ireland was
most unsatisfactory, and he thought the Irish Government
should have brought forward a bill on the subject. He
thought the most advisable course would be to refer the
bill to a select committee.

Mr. MONSELL said that he would support the second
reading of the bill provided he agreed to refer it to a select
committee.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL denied that tho bill
would effect an assimilation of the law between the two
countries, and even if it did accomplish that object, the law
in England was objectionable.
Mr, 'WHITESIDE replied, and

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The bill was read a second time, with the understanding
that it was to be referred to a select committee. _ _

DEBENTURES ON LAND (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. WHITESIDE moved the second reading of the bill,
and explained that its object was to allow a person who had
obtained an indefonsable right in the Encumbered Estates
Court to have a right to mortgage his deeds or deben-
tures to the value of one-half or one-third of the money
for which he purchased his estate. It might be said that
facilities would be afforded to spendthrifts to raise many,
but he believed persons of this description would not be in-
fluenced by whether they raised money cheap or dear. He
quoted the authority of Judge Hargrave in support of the
bill as well as that of Judge Longfleld.
au__ .a.o .2. cr z ..-•co xv- vl ....A .10.114.a.1i constaerect that this
bill, and another on the same subject by the member for
Cork (Mr. Scully) as well as that already read a second
time, should be referred to the same select committee.
Mr. V. SCULL Y said that he was bound to support the
bill of the right hon. member (Mr. Whiteside), because its
bill was
principle was identical weidththtahtatthbeilpl wrihniccihpleheof their.
Scully)(I
introduced
AtAo tshceohnosui
considered
Lord•
objectionable. It was not shown that there was
any specific evil which required the application of
ameasure like the present. One of theb Estates Court
was evils that resulted
from
a job
the operationbingin land, which
o f the Eneutaered
would be increased by this
bill. The great majority
of gentlemen
Irelandinw
ewere
facilities
lni
toi not
e s
ufficnt of
i n favour
was in favour of the
avoue toencumberrthis bill, andl
thought t thatowithout
theret
i n cAriera. s i
in, go
LthemA
Rf uDr t.
h
land in Ireland at 41 per. ieen.
Moneyt could now be obtained on
builitli.m
Sir
a rteyllp Ea
sYs iGn
At TE opposed the bill, and said that if
these debentures
were ethree
handsallow of allowed helo believed they would
Ireland who frequently had money wtoatletonrnd.eysl,
fathcileasshiilnl
passed it might increase the value of land, but that increase
and
would therefore be of no permanent value to the
country.

Mr. H. HERBERT, as being connected with land in
Ireland, viewed this bill with some alarm, and after the
passing of the Encumbered Estates Court, he regarded it
as a retrograde measure.

Col. FRENCH supported the bill.
The bill was read a second time, and referred to a select
committee.
INVESTMENT AND PROVIDENT SOCIETIES

BILL
This bill went through committee.
CHURCH RATES COMMUTATION BILL.
The second reading of this bill was postponed until
Friday.
DISCHARGED PRISONERS AID BILL.
This bill was postponed unil next week..
LOCAL GOVERNMENT SUPPLEMENTAL. BILL.
This bill went through committee.
LAND DEBENTURES IRELAND BILL (MR.'

SCULLY'S).
This bill was read a second time and ordered to be re•
ferred to a select committee. . •
The hou.se adjourned at 10 minutes to Oil o'clock.