The Sun.
London, England, 1865-08-29 00:00:00

THE EXAMINATION OF THE PRISONERS.

At the West Ham Police-court, the two prisoners, Jacob
Brenner, 24, residing at No. 1, Edith-cottages, near the
Chandos-road, Stratford, cabinetmaker, and Charles Hems,
24, sugar-baker, Whitechapel, were brought up by Mr.
Inspector Standage, of the K division, before Nathaniel
Powell, Esq., charged with feloniously cutting and wounding
Joseph Kruchen, aged 40, a master cabinetmaker, with in-
tent to do him grievous bodily harm.
The prisoners not being able to understand English, the
services of MrJohn Schwytzer were obtained as interpreter.
Immediately upon the commencement of the proceedings
some little delay was caused by a German in court persist-
ently endeavouring to communicate something to the pri-
soners while they were in the dock, and it was only by the
prompt exertions of Inspector Standage that he would desist.
Leonard Kruchen said—l am the son of the injured man.
I live at home with my father, Joseph Kruchen. Between
11 and 12 o'clock last night my father came running up-
stairs and knocked at my door. He said, " Come down-
stairs directly, as they are beating me." When I got down-
stairs I saw the two men hitting him. I then saw Jacob
Brenner stab my father six or seven times in the arm. I will
swear he gave him six stabs in the house. My father then
went into the yard. The prisoner followed him and stabbed
him in the belly. He did it with a knife that they use in
cabinet work. It was a table knife, but he sometimes uses
it for his work.

The Magistrate—Has the knife been produced ?

Inspector Standage—No, it has not been found yet.
Witness—When my father came into the house he fell
down, and when I came to look for the prisoners they were
gone. I did not see the prisoner Hems stab my father. I
only saw him standing outside the door.
Inspector Standage—l shall be able to show that a short
time previously they had all been together. We do not
know what the injured man may say if he should recover.
T hey had been drinking together in the evening.

Witness—We had had a friend at our house in the after-
noon, and they had been to see him off by the train.
The prisoner Brenner, in answer to the usual question as
to whether he had anything to say, said that what the pre-
vious witness had said was all false.

Dr. G. T. W. Mugliston said—About half-past 11 o'clock
on Sunday night I was called to see a man who was
stabbed. I went to No. 1, Edith-cottages, and saw Joseph
Kruchen. I found six superficial wounds about the shoulders,
and one severe wound in the abdomen. It was about
long, and there was Bin. of gut protruding from it. I en-
larged the wound and put the bowels back, bandaged him
up, anal recommended him to be conveyed immediately to
the London Hospital.

Mr. InspectorStandage—About 1 o'clock this morning,
from information I received, I went to the house of Joseph
Kruchen. I there saw he had six cuts upon his arms, and
one upon the abdomen, as described by the doctor. Accord-
ing to his instructions I had him conveyed to the hospital.
I produce no certificate from the hospital, as the prisoners
were not apprehended.
Police-constable Foote, 484 K—l am stationed at West
Ham. About a quarter-past 8 this morning, from informa-
tion received, I apprehended the prisoner Hems in Strat-
ford-grove. I told him the charge, and he made some reply
which I did not understand. From other information which
I received I apprehended the prisoner Brenner at a house
in Edmund's-road, Stratford-new-town. I told him the
charge, and he made some reply which I did not under-
stand.

Mr. Inspector Standage—There are marks of blood on
the prisoner Brenner's shirt bosom and wristbands.
Dr. Mugliston said if the wounded man survived a re-
mand would be required for some time.
The prisoners were then remanded.