The Sun.
London, England, 1862-07-08 00:00:00

Black Rod, to hear the Royal Assent given by commission
to several bills, for which see Lords' report.
COMPLAINTS OF JOURNEYMEN BAKERS.
In reply to Mr. KINNAIRD,
Sir G. GREY said that the report of Mr. Aymour
Tremenhere, who was appointed in July, IS6I, to inquire
into the complaints of the journeymen bakers of London,
would be shortly delivered, and it was intended to extend
the inquiry, if required, to Ireland and Scotland.
INDIA.
In answer to Mr. KINNAIRD,
Sir C. WOOD eaid that no alteration had taken place
with reference to the subject of rescinding certain laws in
force, which connected the Government with the special
carp of lands belonging to Mahommedan mosques and
temples. However, two bills had been introduced into the
Indian Legis:ature on the subject.
STEAM PACKET PIER AT HOLYHEAD.
In reply to Mr. HERBERT,
Lord C. PAGET said that it was the intention of the
Government to proceed with the works on-the Steam-pac-
ket Pier at Holyhead without unnecessary delay.
IMPORT OF FOREIGN PAPER.
In reply to Mr. TURNER,
Mr. M. GIBSON said that the imports of foreign paper
during the last few months had been so fluctuating that
they could scarcely be entitled to a place in the list of prin-
cipal articles imported into this country.
THE YOUGHAL UNION.
In answer to Mr. BUTT,
Sir R. PEEL said that the returns relative to the chap-
laincy of the Youghal Union, which had excited so much
interest in that neighbourhood, and which had been ordered
by the house on the 6th ult., would be laid on the table of
the house in about a fortnight.

IRISH BUSINESS.
Mr. SCULLY said that he felt so much and so deeply
on the subject of Irish bills—(laughter)—that he would
avail himself of the present opportunity to bring the sub-
ject before the house. (Order.) He would put himself in
order by moving that the house adjourn. (Laughter.) lion.
members might laugh, but he would avail himself of the
forms of the house to express his opinions. He contended
that there had been delay on the part of Government in
proceeding with Irish business. (Cries of " hear, hear,"
and " no.") He considered that the present Chief Secre-
tary for Ireland was unqualfied for his office, and passed
an eulogium on his predecessor (Mr. Cardwell), who during
his tenure of office, had won the esteem and confidence of
the people of Ireland.
Sir E. PEEL said that he would not enter into the per-
sonal matter introduced by the hon. and learned member
for the county of Cork, but he could assure
the house that there was no wish on the part
of the Government to delay legislaiion in respect to
Ireland. It was his intention to proceed with the Irish
bills before the house as speedily as possible.
THE THAMES EMBANKMENT BILL.
The house then went into committee on this bill.
Lord J. MANNERS moved the omission of clause 34,
which enacted that no buildings should be erected on the
ground abutting on the embankment without the consent of
the Chief Commissioner of Works to the plan thereof.
Mr. COWPER supported the clause ; and after some
discussion the committee divided, and the amendment was
negatived by 162 to 145.
The clause was then agreed to.
The remaining clauses having also been agreed to, Mr.
AYRT ON proposed the addition of a clause providing that
in case the societies of the Inner and Middle Temple should
not admit the public freely to the use of their gardens the
land to be given them under the bill should become vested
in the Board of Works for the purposes of public recreation.
Mr. M. SMITH opposed the clause, and explained the
nature of the arrangements made by the benchers for the
admission of the public at seasonable hours to their gardens.
On a division the clause was rejected by 139 to 18, and
the bill passed through committee.
FORTIFICATIONS BILL.
On the order for going into committee on the Fortifica-
tions (Provision for Expenses) Bill,
Mr. LINDSAY moved as an amendment, "That it is
expedient to postpone the consideration of further expendi-
ture upon the proposed fortifications authorised by this bill
until there have been laid before the house copies or extracts
of reports from our naval attache at Paris, showing the
state of the French navy from time to time, at intervals not
exceeding three months, during the years 1860 and 1861."
Lord C. PAGET opposed the amendment, and argued
that the iron-cased navy of France was making such great
advances as to render the measures which her Majesty's
Government were adopting absolutely necessary. Those
measures were, in fact, regulated by information in the
truth of which the utmost confidence might be reposed.
Mr. COBDEN protested against the vague generalities
in which the Government indulged upon this subject, and
declared that during the 12 years of the Imperial regime the
French navy bore a far less proportion to that of England
than in the time of Louis Philippe ; and that we had spent
upon the navy double what France had upon hers in that
period. Alluding to the frequent recurrence of invasion
panics, the hon. member charged Lord Palmerston with
levity and indiscretion in the statements he had made in
that house, and observed that he held the noble viscount to,
a great extent responsible for those absurd and groundless
alarms.
Sir J. PARINGTON said he had never heard a speech
from Lord Palmerston upon the subject of the relative
strength of the navies of France and England which was
not only free from vagueness and exaggeration, but that
was not perfectly accurate. The remarks of Mr. Cobden
had nothing more to do with the question at issue than if
he had drawn a comparison between the navies of England
and Spain at the time of the Armada. Nothing, indeed,
could be more fallaclous and deceptive than to institute a
comparison between the navies of England and France,
founded solely upon a statement of the money expended
within a given period, the rate of wages and the price of
every element which entered into ship-building being so
wholly different in the two countries. At this moment
France was ahead of England in iron-plated ships, and it
behoved her Majesty's Government not to discontinue or
relax in their efforts to place our military and naval defences
on a proper footing.
Lord PALMERSTON, replying to Mr. Cobden's
charges, said that he received them with the utmost pos-
sible quietness, and that differing as he did from him in his
views, he was proud to be the object of the hon. member's
censure. The idea by which he (Lord Palmerston) wa
actuated seemed never to have entered into the fertile brain
of the hon. member. That idea was that Englani oughtto
Ibe defended; that our navy could not exist withon.
adock-
yards, and that those dockyards ought to be placed_ne f.ont
sition to be secured against any sudden attack. Th
sion which made him utterly unfit to be listenedt He
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any contingency that might happen.
The namendment of Mr. Lindsay was then withdrawn )
and the bill passed through committee.
The Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill and the Turnpike
Trusts Arrangements Bill were read a second time.
The order for the Markets and Fairs (Ireland) Bill—a
Government measure—was discharged and the bill with-
drawn.
The remaining business was also disposed of, and the
house adjourned.