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London, England, 1865-03-28 00:00:00

UNION CHARGEABILITY BILL.

Mr. VILLIERS, in moving the second reading of this
bill, said the union principle having been adopted for the
purpose of administration instead of the parochial system,
it was desirable that the same principle should be adopted
with regard to settlement and rating instead of retaining
these latter within the aret, of the parochial system. This
was the principle -which the bill sought to
bring into operation, and it was founded on
the results of seversl inquiries by committees
of the House of Commons and Royal Commissioners. It
had been contended, in sotto quarters, that the bill was in-
troduced to benefit the town population at the expense of
the rural districts, but this was altogether a mistake, as
such certainly was not the intention of the measure. The
late member for North Defon, he believed, was in favour
of the bill.

Sir R. KNIGHTLEY trusted that the question would
not be viewed in a party spirit. He objected to the bill
because it affected the vat° of every acre of land in the
country, and was of far too important a description to be
discussed by a moribund Parliament. He was therefore in
favour of postponing legislation, in order that the question
might be submitted to their constituents at the next gene-
ral election. He also objected to the bill, not only because
it would interfere with property, but likewise because it
would injure the interests of the labouring classes, who, in
the dull seasons, would be driven to the union workhouse
instead of being assisted, as they now were,' in their own
cottages. The President of the Poor-law Board was not,
in his opinion, competent to legislate on a question of this
nature, as he never saw a green field except from the win-
dow of a railway carriage, and knew no more about the
rural districts of England than of the interior of Africa.
In conclusion, the hon. baronet, moved as an amendment,
" That, considering the little knowledge this house pos-
sesses as to the practical working of the Irremovable Poor
Act of 1861, it is inexpedient, without further information,
to legislate on the subject of union rating during the pre-
sent session."

The amendment was seconded by Mr. BANKS-STANHOPE,
who contended that the bill would be an unjustifiable inter-
ference with property, and inflict irreparable injury upon
the poor of the rural districts.
Sir E. DERING also opposed the bill, on the ground
that it would relieve the ratepayers of the towns at the
expense of those in the country parishes. He suggested, as
a compromise, that the second reading should be postponed
until after the Easter recess, so that in the interim hon.
members might consult their constituents.
Mr. G. P. BENTINCK thought the house was not yet
in possession of sufficient information to legislate upon the
subject, and would consequently give his vote in favour of
the amendment.
Mr. HODGKINSON, in answering the arguments of
hon. gentlemen opposite, denied that the present bill was
a step in the direction of national rating. It was, he said,
nothing more nor less than an act of justice, and was
intended to adjust a burden which, in the lapse of time,
had become disarranged.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE gave a warm support to the bill, be-
cause he was persuaded that it would prove a useful and
beneficial measure. The parochial system offered, he
thought, a premium to the bad and dissolute labourer,
while it-discouraged the good.
Lord HENLEY pointed out several instances of gross
injustice in his own union, and stated that, under the pre-
sent system, two close parishes paid a poor rate of 6d. in
the pound, while others paid as much as 6s.
Mr. SCOURFIELD advocated delay, and Mr. J. TOLLE-
MACKE was of opinion that the bill would relieve heavily
burdened townships at the expense of others.
Mr. SCULLY and Mr. PUGH spoke in favour of the
measure, the late hon. gentleman expressing his willing-
( noss to sanction a much larger area of chargeability than
I that contemplated by the bill.
_ _ _

Mr. FLOYER took an opposite view to that of the pre-
ceding speakers, arguing that union rating would lead to a
careless expenditure of the rate; as there would be no
longer that careful personal supervision on the part of local
guardians, without which the poor law could not be worked
effectively or charitably.
Mr. THOMPSON was quite prepared to vote in favour
of union rating, but, inasmuch as the bill would cause a

The amendment was then put, and on a division the
numbers were—
. For
Against ,.. 203
Majority

-72

The original motion was then put and agreed to, and the
bill was read a second time.

The report on supply was then brought up.
The orders of the day and the other business on the paper
having been disposed of, the house then adjourned.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-MARCH 27.
UNION CHARGEABILITY BILL.

Order for second reading read. Motion made and ques-
tion proposed, " That the bill be now read a second time."
Amendment proposed, to leave out from the word "
to the end of the question, in order to add the words "con-
sidering the little knowledge this house possesses as to the
practical working of the Irremovable Poor Act of 1861, it
is expedient, without further information to legislate on
the subject of union rating during the present ses4on."
Question put, "That the words proposed to be left out
stand part of the question." The house divide d—Ayes,
203 ; Noes, 131.

AYES —2C3.
Anson, Major Gower, F. L. Paull, H.
Anstruther, Sir R. Gower, G. W. L. Peel, Sir R.
Ayrton, A. S. Greaves, E. Peel, F.
Bagwell, J. Greenall, G. Peto, Sir M.
Baines, E. Greene, J. Pinney, Col.
Baring, T. G. Greenwood, J. Pollard Urquhart W
Bathurst, A. A. Greufell, 11. R. Portman, W. H. B.
Bazley, T. Grey. Sir G. Powell, F. S.
Beaumont, S. Guidon, B. Pritchard, J.
Beecroft, G. S. Hadfield, G. Pugh, D.
Berkeley, C. P. F. Banbury, R. Re ton, G. W. J.
Bernard, T. T. Handley, J. Robartes, T. J. A.
Black, A. Hankey, T. Roebuck, J. A.
Blake, J. Hardcastle, J. A. Rogers, J. J.
Bonham-Carter, J. Hartington,Marquis Rothschild,Baron 31
Bouverie, E. P. Bay, Sir J. Russell, li.
Brady, Dr Ileadlam, T. E. Russell, A.
Bramley-Moore, J. Henderson, J. Russell, Sir W.
Bruce, Lord C. Henley, Lord St. Aubyn, J.
Bruce, Lord E. A. Hennessy, J. P. Salomonc,Aiderman
Bruce, H. A. Bibbed, J. T. Scholetieid, W.
Buckley, Gen. flodgkinson, G. k colt, Sit W.
Bury, Viscount Howard, C. W. G. Scropc, G. P.
Butler, C. S. Howard, Lord E. G. Scully, V.
Buxton, C. Ingham, it. Seely, C.
Caird, J. Jackson, W. Sheridan, R. B.
Cardwell, E. Jolliffe, Sir W. Smith, Augustus
Carnegie, C. Kekcwich, S. 11. Smith, J. B.
Castlerosse, Vist. King, P. J. L. Stacpoole, W.
Cavendish, Lord G. Kinglake, A. W. Staniland, M.
Childers, H. C. E. Kinnaird, A. F. Stanley, Lord
Churchill, Lord A. Lacon, Sir E. Stanley, 0.
Clay, J. Layard, A. H. Stansteld, J.
Clifton, Sir R. Lanigan, J. Steel, J.
Clive, G. Lawson, W. Stuart, Lt.-Col. W.
Cobbold, J. C. Leatham, E. A. Sturt, Lt.-Col. N.
Coke, Col. Lefevre, G. J. S. Taylor, I'. A.
Colebrooke, Sir T.E. Legh, Major C. Tollemache, F. J.
Cok: w. Lowe, it. TuFner, .r.—A.
Craufurd, E. H. J. Lyall, G. Turner, C.
Crawford, it. W. M'Cann, J. Vandeleur, Cu!.
Dalglish, It. MacEvoy, E. Vernon, H. F.
Davey, U. Maguire, J. F. Villiers, C. P.
Dillwyn, L. L. Malcolm, J. W. Vyner, It A.
Dodson, J. G. Martin, P. W. Waldegrave-Leslie
Duff, M. E. Martin, J. Waldron, L.
Duff, It. W. Merry, J. Walter, J.
Dunbar, Sir W. Miller, T. J. Warner, E.
tieiton,a.. r . kli-114, Jf 13-• a. Wathirraln, J.
Egerton, E. C. Moffatt, G. Weguelin, T. M.
Enfield, Viscount Moor, H. Westhead, J. P. B.
Ewart, J. C. Moore, C. Whalley, G. H.
Fenwick, E. M. Morris, W. Whitbread, S.
Fenwick, H. Morrison, W. White, J.
Finlay, A. S. Mowbray, J. R. White, L.
Fitzroy, Lord F. Neate, C. Williamson, Sir H.
Fitzwilliam, C. W. North, F. Woodd, B. T.
Forster, C. O'Brien, Sir P. Woods, H.
Forster, W. E. Opoilvy, Sir J. Wyld, J.
Fortescue, C. S. O'Loghlen, Sir C. Wyndham, H.
Gibson, T. M. Padmore, It. Wyndham, P.
Gilpin, C. Paget, C. Wyvill, 31.
Gladstone, W. E. Paget, Lord C.
Glyn, G. G. Palmer, Sir R. TELLERS.
Goldsmid, Sir F. Palmerston, Visct. Brand, H.
Gosohen, G. J. Papillon, P. 0. Knatehbull-Hugess

NOES —l3l.
Adclerley, C. B. Farquhar, Sir M. Mordaunt, Sir C.
Bathurst, Col. H. Fellowes, E. Morgan, Major
Beach, Sir M. Ferrand, W. Morritt, W. ,
Beach, W. W. Fleming, T. W. Mundy, W.
Bentinck, G. W. P. Floyer J. Newdegate, C.
Bentinck, G. C. Forde, Col. Noel, G. J.
Benyon, R. Forester, Gen. North, Col.
Beresford, W. Gallwey, Sir W. P. Northcote, Sir S. H.
13eresfJrd, D. Gard, It. S. Pacte, Col.
Biddulph, Col. George, J. Pakington, Sir J.
Blackburn, P. Gilpin, Colonel Parker, Major W.
Bovill, W. Goadard, A. L. Patten, Col. W.
Boyle, G. F. Gore, J. R. 0. Peacocke, G. M. W.
Bramston, T. W. Grey deWilton,Lord
PPease, H.
Bremridge, R. Hamilton, Major eel, Gen.
Bridges, Sir B. W. Hardy, G. Percy, Earl
Briscoe, J. I. Hartopp, E. B. Pevensey, Viscount
Brooks, R. • Harvey, R. B. Powys- L, Viso
P. L
Bromley. W. D. Hervey, Lord A. H. Quinn, P.
Bruce, Sir IL Henley, J. Ridley, Sir M. W.
Bruen, H, Henniker, Lord Rolt, J.
Burghley, Lord Heygate. Sir F. Rowley, R. T.
Burrell, Sir P. Hodgson, R. Sclater-Booth, G.
ButlerJohnstone,H. Holford, R. S. Scourfiela, J. H.
Cairns, Sir H. Holmesdale, Lord Selwyn, C. J.
Cartwright, Col. Hood, Sir A. Smith, Abel
Cheethain, J. Hotham, Lord Sturt, H. G.
Cholmeley, Sir M. Hubbard, J. G. Snrtees, H. E.
Cole, 11. Hunt, G. W. Taylor, Col.
Cole, J. L. Johnstone, J. J. H. Thynne, Lord H.
Cubitt, G. Kendall. N. Tomline, G.
Curzon, Viscount King, J. K. Trevor, Lord A.
Dawson, It. P. Knatchbull, W. Trollope, Sir J.
Dering, Sir K. Knight, F. Vansittart, W.
Dickson, Col. Knox, CoL Vyse, Col.
Disraeli, B. Langton, W. G. Waterhouse, S.
Du Cane, C. Lefroy, A. Welby, W. E.
Duncombe, A. Legh, W. J. Whiteside, J.
Duncombe, W. E. Liddell, H. G. Williams, F. M.
Dunne, Col. Long, R. P. Wynn, C. W. W.
Du Pre, C. G. Lygon, F. Yorke, J. H.
Edwards, Col. Manna, R.
Egerton, Sir P. Manners, Lord J. TELLERS.
Egerton, W. Miles, Sir W. Knightley, Sir R.
Pane, Col. Montgomery, Sir G. Stanhope, J. B.

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STATISTICS.—The Revue Contenzporaine contains
an able article by M. Maurice Cristo], "On the dispersion
of skilled labourin the rural districts of France,"from which
we glean the following interesting particulars :—ln lace-
making, the women who live in towns aro far inferior to those
who live in the country ; they are not so well paid, because
though the price is the same, living in a town is much
dearer, and their health soon declines. Hence this sort of
work has emigrated to the country ; and, not to men-
tion Belgium, where lace is a staple, and the females
employed in making it amount to about 130,000, there aro
in the neighbourhood of Arras alone 6,000 lace-makers
who earn about a franc a-day, without neglecting their
household duties. Glove-making also is gradually
leaving the towns to settle definitively in the country.
Thus, in the Haute-Marne, a single firm gives em-
ployment to upwards of 2,000 hands ; in the Isere
there are 15,000 needlewomen engaged in the trade,
and around Grenoble there are about 1,200 cutters
who turn out 600,000 pair of gloves a year, which, at the
rate of 30fr. a dozen, represent a sum of from 1,600,000 to
1,700,000 fr. The Grenoble manufactory employs about
600 women in putting the glove on the pattern, then under
the cutting press, and preparing it otherwise for the needle.
Such women, when clever, earn from 70f. to 80f. a month.
The remuneration for sewing gloves is at the rate of about
4fr. 50c. a dozen with one button, and 4fr. 75c. with two,
but the sewer must find her own thread. The cutting of
precious stones, whether genuine or imitation, is a trade
that has taken up its abode on the heights of the Jura, at
Septmencel (except the diamond, which is cut by ma-
chinery at Amsterdam). At the place we have mentioned
the women are constantly employed in making imitation
jewels, in drilling holes into rubies for watchmakers, &c.,
and they earn thereby about 75 cent. per day ; the earnings
of the men in the same sort of work being lfr. 60c.

At the Liverpool county court, yesterday, Mr.
Sergeant Wheeler, the judge, was occupied in try-
ing an action brought by Mr. 11. B. Cummins, the
hero of the now famous " tom-fool knot," against
Mr. Hime, who acted as the local agent for the
Brothers Davenport. Mr. Cummins claimed ss.
from Mr. Hime for money paid to witness a seance
announced by the Davenports, but which séance
did not take place. Mr. Bards well, solicitor for
the plaintiff, delivered a long address, and read de-
scriptions of the several performances given in Liver-
pool, including that at which the cabinet was
smashed, and when the Davenports refused to go
on with their performances. The point on which
he relied was that the Davonports had published ad-
vertisements promising that every person who paid
for a ticket and attended would witness a seance.
Mr. Pope, barrister, for the defence, contended that
there was no statement in the advertisements as to
what in particular would be done by the Daven-
ports ; that on the morning previous to the
evening in question, in consequence of the
interruption which had taken place on a
former evening, they advertised that they
should reserve the right to reject any committee
which might be appointed to tie them ; that when
Messrs. Hulley and Cummins were appointed they
did object; that afterwards they yielded, and agreed
to be tied by them ; and that in consequence of
what then took place they were unable to proceed
as they had intended. Mr.- Cummins, who was
severely cross-examined, stated that he took no part
in the row, and used every exertion to prevent vio-
lence. His Honour held that, though nothing defi-
nite was stated in the advertisements, it was under-
stood that seance was to include the usual " mani-
festations ;" that when the Davenports had agreed
to be tied by Messrs. Hulley and Cummins, although
they had a perfect right to reject any committee
that might be appointed, they pledged themselves to
fulfil their contract, and that, as they did not go on,
the contract was broken. He gave his decision for
the plaintiff for the amount claimed. It is under-
stood that, by friendly agreement between the par-
ties, this decision is to guide Mr..Hime in reference
to all the claims made by other persons seeking a
return of their money, amounting, we believe, to
upwards of 100.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

TATTERSALLS-MONDAY.

To-day there was another repetition of those " sensa-
tion" movements in connection with Breadalbane for the
Two Thousand Guineas. At the Victoria Club, in the
morning, there was a marked disposition to lay against him
at the commencement of business, when 2,200 to 110 was
booked ; the next blow struck, however, was less deadly,
1,000 to 60 being laid twice. At Hyde-park-corner the same
mystery prevailed, but despite the uncertainty as to the in-
tentions of his owner, he was again supported freely at
prices varying from 12 to 8 to 1, taken to about £1,500. All
sorts of rumours were afloat as to the final policy of Mr.
Chaplin with regard to his horse, but whoever he or they
were that "knew anything," they kept their counsel well
while the industrious ones caaried on their operations.
Previous, as well as intending backers were in a dilemma,
but seeing so many " good " men supporting the horse for
money, they considered that they could not be far wrong
in following suit, and thus they " plunged " on him a
second time, 8 to 1 and 7 to 1 having been taken kindly.
The finish, however, was a staggerer. A member who, in
his speculative transactions, is distinguished by his cool
disregard for the strict rules of betting, offered to take 100
to 15 about the Malton horse, odds with which he was ac-
commodated three times. Later on seven " fifties " were
laid on the quiet, but we may safely say that that price to
menAv would hsa va_heuay, _IAA) 0,12 "way..
Chattanooga was somewhat unsteady, after nine " fifties "
were laid, 10 to 1 was his current price, taken to about
£5O. :For the Derby Breadalbane still holds his position
undisputed. 550 to 100 was taken in one bet, and until the
close of the room sto 1 was the highest offer on the field,
while 7 to 1 went begging about Liddington, but not until
he had been backed to about £lOO at that price. It must not
be generally in the secrets of the Russley stale lam eigm,
" ponies " twice, just immediately after the horse had been
supported at a point loss. The Duke was in great demand
at 8 and 9 to 1, at which prices he was entrusted with very
good money; but he failed to sustain his reputation, as
nothing short of 10 to 1 would satisfy the adherents of the
Marquis of Hastings' colours. The only other feature of the
Derby betting was the hostility against Chattanooga, who,
after 25 to 1 had been accepted about him to £3OO, de-
clined to 30 to 1 (taken to £100) offered until the room was
cleared. . _

NORTHAMPTONSHIRE STASES.
7to 1 agst Mr. H. Smith's John Davis (taken)

CITY AND SUBURBAN.

10 to 1 agst Mr. Merry's Mcestissima filly (taken and oft)
25 to 1 agst Mr. Saxon's Lampoon (taken)
25 to 1 agst Mr. Kelso's Agatha (taken)
25 to 1 agst Mr. Osborne's Lady of Coverdale (taken)

CHESTER CUP.
12 to 1 agst Mr. C. Smith's Lion (taken)
20 to 1 agst Mr. Barber's The Clown (taken)
20 to 1 agst Mr. Montgomery's La Toucques (taken)
50 to 1 agst Mr. Hodgman's Victorious (taken)
66 to 1 agst Mr. W. Phillips's Persuasion (taken)