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London, England, 1853-07-29 00:00:00

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MINES.

1 ' all Agna rria .... ........ l3 —13 r
10s. all
a j
Ali& Californian * 3 p
10 2 Australasian ld par
20 5 Australian 26 -- 3
1 1 Australian, Cordillera 3 _ 1 d
.., -1- all Australian Freehold. 6 - 3 d
1 all Ave Maria g - 3dl
all Baden (Gd• Duchy of) 3 tp
1 all British Austria. Gold 3 - i d
20 13.5 British Iron 7 9
35 243 Brazilianlmp.(issued
at £5 pm 3 33 33
30 all Do. Cocaes & Cuiada 3 33
20 15 Do. St. John Delßey 32 —34
1 A Carsons's Creek 6d— 3ps 3
40 all Cobre Copper 473 483
5 1 Colonial Gold 1 —lf p
14 Copiapo . lO3 113
Si. all Copper Min. of Eng. 65 75
25 all Do. Pref. 73 p. cent. 73 —83 p
5 all English and Austin.
Copper Smeltg. Co. 2 —ll d
20 all General l4 —l6
2 all Great Nugget Vein $ Ip,
3 all Great Polgooth
1 all Lake Bathurst 3 3 d
1 all Liberty 3d— 3 p
1 all Load. &Californ. Gold
Quartz Crush. Co 3 3
1 all Mariquita 3 d-- par
10 9 Meximu&S.Americn G$ 71
1 all New Granada par— 3 p
1 all Nouveau Monde — ... 113
5 1 Port Philip — —I i
1 all Quartz Rock 3d i I 1 P 1
50 all Ithymney 'rot] 23 ---25
-- 15 Do. New 6l 73
30 10$ Santiago de Cuba 4 5
1 all South Australian 3d— par
10 7 Tin Croft ......
283 all United Mexican 3s 43
1 all Waller - -
1 all West Granada $ -3/4 d
1 all West Mariposa $ 3 d
1 alll Yuba $ * d
JOINT-STOCK BANKS.
40 all Australasia B2 —B3 813 2$
40 all British Colonial Bank ... ...
and Loan Company
50 all British N. American ... ...
20 2 Chrtd. Bnk.of India,
Austral., and China 1 13
25 5 Chrtd. Bk. of Asia. 3d par 33
100 25 Colonial
100 20 Commercial of Load ... ...
20 10 English Scottish and
Australian Chrtd 3 5 1
20 123 London Chrtd. Bnk
of Australia - - 3,ip 18
50 20 London and County ... ..•
50 10 London Joint Stock ... ... 26
100 20 Lond.andWestminst ... ...
100 35 National Provincial
of England
20 10 Do. New — •••
50 223 National of Ireland ... ...
25 all Oriental Bank Cor
poration
100 25 Provincial of Ireland ... ... - 51-
10 all Do. New — ...
5 1 RoyalAustraln. Bkg
and Gold Imp. Co 3 d— par
25 25 South Australia 45 47
25 all Union of Australia 74 75xd 75 41 xd
21 Do. New B3 8$ 83
50 10- Union of London
40 all Union of Madrid

Aberdeen
Ambg. Nottng.Bost.l
d; Eastn. June.
Birmng. Wolverh &
Stour Valley
Birkenhd. Lanesh &
Cheshire Junct......
Do. Chesh. & Birk.,
£5O & £25 Cons.. ..I
Do., X 20........ .....
Bristol & Exeter......
Caledonian.

Chester & Holyhead
Cork and Bandon....
Cork, Black. & Pass.
Dublin&BelfastJunc.
Dundee Perth &Aber-
deen Junction ......
Do. New

East Anglian (£25 L.
& E. &L. &D.).....
Do., (LlB E. &11.)-1
Eastern Counties.....
Eastern Union, Class
A. late E. U.
Do., do.
Do., B. dr ........

East Lancashire
East &West Ind. Dk
& Birming. June
Edinburgh & Glasgow
Edinb. and Peebles
Edinb•Prth.&Dunde,
Glasgow & S. Western
Great Northern Stk
Do., A. Stock
Do., B. Stock ,
Gt. Stb.&West.(lre.)
Great Western
Irlsh South-Eastern.
Lancaster &Carlisle
Do., Thirds
Lancash. &Yorkshire
Do., Fifths
Do., Wst. Riding Un.
Leeds Northern
Liv. Crsby. dr So utb pt
London & Blackwell
Lond. Tilb. & Sthend.
Lond.Bright.&S.Cst.,
London &N. Western'
Do. Fifths
Do. JO/. Sh ,M&8... C
London & S.Western
Do., £50........-
Do., £40.... .....
Lnndrry. &Coleraine
Lndndrry. & Ennisk.
Manch •Shef. &Lincln.
Do., Man. &Lin. Un.
Midland .
Do. Birming. & Derby
Midland G.West.(lr.)
Do. Shares
Newcastle & Carlisle
Newmarket
Do. Bury Extensions
Newpt.Aberg.&Htfd
Newry & Enniskillen
Newry Warrenpoint
& Rostrevor
Norfolk.. .......

Do., New
Northn. Counties Uu
North British

North Devon, N 0.1..
Do., No.
Dc., a A Deferred...
Do., B Guaranteed'
North Staffordshire.
'North Western........

MARKET NEWS-(THIS DAY.)

CORN EXCHANGE.

The quantity of English wheat received up to our
market this week, coastwise, has been somewhat on the
increase. Fresh up, to-day, the receipts of that grain
were very moderate ; hence, the show of samples was by
no means extensive. For all kinds we had a very inactive
demand, and Monday's improvement in the quotations
was barely supported.
The im ports of foreign wheat have exceeded 22,000
quarters, chiefly from the westward. Good red Baltic
parcels so] d at full prices. In other kinds only a limited
business wris doing.
There w as a moderate inquiry for floating cargoes of
wheat and beans, at previous rates.
No English barley was brought forward, but the supply
of foreign wtts large. The trade ruled dull, and prices had
a downward tendency.
Malt was in. fair average supply, and moderate inquiry,
at late rates.
The show of oats being on the increase, the oat trade
was dull, and prices gave way from 6d. to ls. per quarter.
Beans, peas, and flour, sold at last week's currency.

N. & S. Westrn. June.
Oxford Worcester &
Wolverhampton
Scottish Central
Scottish Midland
Shrewsbury & Birmg
Do., L. & N. Westn
Guaranteed Stock
Shrewsby. & Herefd
Shrowsby. & Chester
(Nor. W.
Do. Halves, do
Do. Oswestry
Shropshire Union
South Devon
South Eastern .
South Wales.....
S. Yorksh. River Dun

'Stockton & Hartlepl.
Thames Haven Dock
and Railway ..
Vale of Neath.........,

English ..
Irish •. • •
Foreign ..

ARRIVALS THIS WEEK.
Wheat. Barley. I Malt. Oats. Flour.
1,840 2,810 4,680 560
14,910 — 2,770
22 ,13016,620 4,010 sks
8,800 brl

Waterfd. dr Kilkenny
Waterford&Limerick
West C0rnwa11........

Wmbled on &Croydoi.
Woodford.. ..... .......
York Newctl. &Berw.
Do. Extensions.......
Do. G.N.E. Purchase
York & N. Midland..

VMITHFIELD.

The supply of beasts in to-day's market was seasonably
good as to number, but very deficient in quality. All
breeds moved off slowly, at Monday's decline in the quota-
tions. Prime Dol vrt sheep were scarce, and quite as dear ;
otherwise, the mutton trade was in a sluggish state, at
barely stationary p rices. We had a dull sale for lambs—
the supply of which was rather extensive—at a further de-
cline in the currencies of 2d per Sibs. Calves moved off
heavily, and, in some instances, prices had a downward
tendency. In pigs, very little business was transacted.
Mulch cows were heavy, at from 151. to 191. each, in-
cluding their small calf.

s. d. s. d.
Prime Southdown 410 5 0
Large crse. calves 3 6 4 2
Prime small d 0... 4 4 410
Large hogs 3 0 3 6
Small porkers 3 8 4 0
Suckling calves ..20 0 26 0
Quarter old pigs 20 0 25 0
10d to 5s 10d.

Per 81bs to sink the offals.
s. d. s. d.l
Inferior Beasts.... 3 210 3 6
Second quality.... 3 8 310
Prime large oxen 4 0 4 2
Prime Scots, &c. 4 4 4 6
Inferior Sheep ...3 4 3 8
Second quality ...3 10 4 4
Prime erse.-wiled.4 6 4 8
Lambs ,4s

TOTAL SUPPLY.

Beasts .......... ..... •• . 1,191
Sheep and Lambs ...... _13,000
Ca1ve5......•...•.••••.. 542
Pigs 4 50

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THE SUN, LONDON, riIiDAYnVENING, JETTAY Isms,

proposed to omit the words, "the title deeds relating
to land." A more dangerous' power could not be given
to the commissioners. Some of the greatest losses ever
HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.) heard of in this country had been caused through letting
unauthorised persons get hold of title-deeds. Lord
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack Kenyon once told an attorney who had been summoned
at five o'clock. to produce title-deeds, and appeared in court with a
Lord BEAUMONT presented a petition from the box containing them to sit down on the box, and not
Leeds Chamber of Commerce, praying for the establish- to stir for anybody. (Laughter.) In section 52, he
went of tribunals of commerce. proposed to omit the words " of which he shall not have
Lord BERNERS presented petitions from several had notice at the time of the purchase." Heliad never seen
places against the sale of spirits on Sundays. any bill more calculated than this to embarrass the trans-
Lord BROUGHAM presented petitions from Bangor fer of property, by making the duties under the act a
and other places in favour of the County Courts Exten- first charge upon all property. The effect would be to
sion Bill. - make every man a crown debtor so long as the period
COUNTY COURTS FURTHER EXTENSION ' for the payment of the duties continued. Nothing
BILL. could be more dangerous than to transfer this liability
Lord BROUGHAM moved the second reading of to a bona fide purchaser. In section 54, he proposed to
this bill, and in doing so, the noble lord dwelt at some add words to make it consistent with the preamble as
length upon the great benefit which the establishment amended, confining the operation of the act to the 19th
of county courts had conferred upon society at large. of May, 1858. It would then be A very fair subject of
The experience of these courts during the last six years consideration whether the act should be renewed or
proved that they might be judiciously extended, and the amended. He would also propose to omit some words
object of this bill was to increase their jurisdiction, and in the schedule respecting the mode of valuing long an-
render them still more efficient in many other respects, so nuities, which had no meaning as they stood. In con-
that their usefulness might be made equal to that of the elusion he would remark that the severe liabilities and
superior courts of law and equity. All, however, that he penalties imposed by this bill on trustees would cause
wanted their lordships to do was to affirm the principle of every prudent man to pause before accepting such a
the bill, and leave it to be passed in a future session. The trust. Nothing could be more dangerous to a man ; he
noble lord at the same time announced his intention to lay would become himself a crown debtor ; and if be paid in
upon the table another bill for amending and improving ignorance, he would have no remedy, His object lead
the law of arbitration, which lie should also ask their been to amend the bill, if it were possible ; but seeing
lordships to read a second time with a view to its being the spirit which prevailed in the house on Monday, he
taken up again at the commencement of next session. had abstained from taking part in the discussion in coin-
The LORD CHANCELLOR said as his noble and mittee, and he now only proposed his amendments that
learned friend had not informed him beforehand of the the public might see the grounds on which the opposi-
course which he intended to take, he could not then tion had acted.
promise anything beyond an assent to the first reading. Lord BEAUMONT said lie cordially approved of one
With respect to the county court jurisdiction, he should of the amendments—that which made the settlor the
have little to say until their lordships were placed in predecessor in all cases, and not the party immediately
possession of the result of an inquiry which was about to before in possession. Were the bill otherwise, it would
be instituted. It was designed to ascertain, by means of be a tax not merely on succession, but on settlement
a commission, not merely whether the county courts generally. Were this amendment adopted, there would
adequately discharged the duties ertrusted to them, but be no ground for charging the bill with a retrospective
whether any additional duties could usefully be devolved operation, as it would merely tax existing settlements
upon them. He had no doubt the commission would after they became the subjects of succession. The pro-
pursue its labours with a determination to ascertain what vision as it stood had been justified by reference to as
was the actual state of the county courts—whether or
not they adequately discharged their duties, how far the analagous provision in the legacy acts ; but the cases
were not at all parallel, as money left in trust, and pass-
mode of transacting business was susceptible of improve- ing from one person to another, only paid the legacy
went, and whether any additional functions might be duty once. The imposition of the succession duty in
usefully exercised. In short, he believed the report of the case referred to involved an entirely new principle.
the commission would enable their lordships to legislate The LORD CHANCELLOR—It is exactly the same
much better on the subject than they could do before it as it is under the legacy duty.
was presented. Lord BEAUMONT doubted this ; but there was one
After a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, the bill was advantage in the clause—it cut both ways ; a man suc-
read a first time. ceeding his brother in property left by their father would
SUCCESSION DUTY BILL. only pay duty as a son. Still, as it was contrary to the
The Earl of ABERDEEN moved the third reading principle of the bill, and had a retrospective operation,
of this bill, he thought it would have been better in all cases to
The Earl of CLANCARTY said, before this bill was regulate the duty by the relationship of the immediate
finally disposed of he wished to say a few words. En- predecessor. It would also have had the effect of obvi-
tertaining
as he did a strong objection to its principle, ating the necessity of looking into deeds. No evil could
it was with very great disappointment that he observed result from the adoption of the amendment, except some
how precipitately it was being hurried through the little delay in the passing of the bill. He entertained
house. He did not think the second reading ought to some other objections to the measure, but did not think
be regarded as an approval of the measure generally ; them of sufficient weight to dwell upon. He was glad ,
nor did he consider that even the carrying of the amend- to see real and personal property placed on the same
meat would have been a condemnation of the principle. footing in reference to succession ; but he should have
His principal objection to the bill was that it was op- preferred a much more sweeping measure. He would
posed to the fundamental principle that property had its have repealed the present legacy duties, done away with
duties as well as its rights. It entirely ignored that the graduated scale, and have made all property pay
principle ; landlords had other expenses to bear besides alike-2 or 24 per cent. on succession. Where a stranger
poor rates, and charges of that kind ; there was the succeeded to property, and had to pay 10 per cent., the
management and improvement of the land with which burden was most grievous, and he probably might be
they had been entrusted by Providence, the employ- less prepared to meet it ham a son succeeding to his
merit of the population, the improvement of' agriculture, father.
the maintenance of hospitals, schools, and so on. This Lord BERNERS referred to the evidence given before
would have the effect of creating encumbered estates ; their lordships' committee On the burdens on land, and
it would sever that tie between landlord and tenant, contended that real property was already unjustly bur-
which had exercised such a favourable influence on the dened. He instanced the stamp duties and the land-
social condition of the country. What was to be the tax ; the latter of which was most unequal in different
compensation for such a bill as this? Relief from the parts of the country. Originally, by the statute of Wil-
soap duty and the advertisement duty. As regarded the Liam and Mary, it was 4s. in the pound on all land ; in
former, he was perfectly satisfied there would not be a those cases where it had not been redeemed, the burden
single hairy chin the less in consequence of the remis- was now very unequal. The noble lord enumerated
sion of the duty- -(laughter)—neither would their lord- some other "special burdens" on land, which by a pecu-
ships find any reduction of their washing-bills, unless liar mode of calculation he made to amount to 19 mil-
they drove a hard bargain with their laundresses. As lions sterling per annum.
to advertisements they were already lost in a labyrinth Earl GRANVILLE said the subject of burdens on
of announcements about hats, truths, medicines, &c. land was too large a question to be discussed on that
He protested against the steps taken by the Govern- occasion. It had been assumed all along by the opposi-
ment to carry this bill, which he thought affected the tion that this bill would impose as large a duty on land
privileges of their lordships' house, and calculated to as on personalty ; but it appeared that the amount de-
compromise its utility. rived from land would only be about 50 per cent. of that
The bill was then read a third time. from personal property. He did not think that the pro-
On the motion that the bill do pass, posal of Lord Beaumont for a uniform rate of 2 per cent.
Lord St. LEONARDS said that before the bill passed would be very favourably received by those who cons-
he wished to show, in the shape of amendments, the plained of the special burdens on land. It was a fair
objections that existed against it, so that hereafter the estimate that two-thirds of the lan led property would
country would be able to judge between the bill as it only pay 1 per cent, under this bill. On the other points
stood and the bill as it would be if these amendments the noble lord had answered his own objections. (Hear.)
were adopted by Parliament. Having once ascertained In framing a measure of this kind it was necessary to
that the feeling of the house was in favour of the prin- adopt one of two principles—either to make each suc-
ciple of the measure, his sincere wish was to make the cessor pay according to the relationship of his immediate
bill as good as it could be made. , As it was not his in- predecessor, or of the person from whom he derived the
tention to divide the house, he would not ask the property by deed. Whatever may be the merits of the
opinion of their lordships on each amendment, but two principles, it was certain that more money would
would move them altogether at the close of his obser- have been derived had the Government adopted the for-
vations. In the preamble of the bill he proposed to mer one ; and though the principle adhered to in the
strike out the declaration which declared the permanency bill might in one or two cases act hardly upon indiyi-
of the measure. In section 2,' he would move a proviso duals, it was most favourable to the great majority of
against the retrospective opeiation of the measure. persons possessing land. Instead of paying 2 per cent.
This addition would not in any degree impair the gene- as succeeding to one another, brothers would only pay 1
ral operation of the act, but it provided that where a per cent. as deriving from their father ; and that was an
person sold or mortgaged his reversion, or where a immense advantage to the landed interest. (Hear.)
person advanced money on its security, it might be 20 Whatever hardships might, occur under this bill, the
years ago, and without any idea that such an act would same existed, but to a much more severe extent, under
be passed, such person would be liable to pay 10 per the Legacy Duty Acts.- - '
cent. on such by-gone transactions. The next amend- The Earl of WICKLOW said it was quite clear that
snent had reference to the case of joint lives. The clause the object of the noble lord opposite had been to defeat
Laving reference to joint tenancy would create great the bill altogether, or many of these amendments would
hardship as worded. In the case of- two sisters, they have been proposed in committee at the proper time.
paid the duty as the successors of their father, but in He admitted that this was a most complicated measure,
the case of the death of one, the other would have to full of contradictory and oppressive provisions, and he
pay the duty, not as the daughter, but as the sister, was satisfied that in a subsequent session a bill would
which was a great hardship. He should therefore pro- have to be brought in to remove its defects and render it
pose words, the effects of which would be, that the party more palatable to the community.
should only have to pay according to the original crea- The Marquis of SALISBURY denied that the object
tion of the gift, that was to say, shat she would pay as of the opponents of the measure had been to defeat it.
a daughter and not as a sister. In section 4, page 3, All that they wanted was to remove many of its glaring
it was provided that where a person had general powers inconsistencies, and their lordships were decidedly to
of appointment, he should in that case be himself blame for not entertaining many of the reasonable amend-
considered in the same light as the successor. Now, ac- merits that had been proposed to them.
cording to the clause, if a tenant for life who had power The bill was then passed. -
to leave the property after his death, and who might BILLS ADVANCED A STAGE.
please to exercise that power, and leave the property to The Registrar of Meetings Bill and the Stamp Duties
some stranger-, he would be obliged to pay a double suc-
Bill were read a second time, and ordered to be corn-
cession duty. What he proposed in lieu of these words
mitted,
was that where any such persons should already be
The Spitalfields and Shoreditch Improvement Bill and
charged with the duty, no further duty should be pay-
the Missionary Bishops Bill were read a third time, and
able by him on succeeding as tenant for life to the same
passed.
property. The next amendment was in section 9, page
The Parish Vestries (No. 2) Bill, the Entails (Scot-
4, which placed the duties under the care of the con- land) Bill, the Custom Duties Bill, and the Dublin Par-
missioners of inland duty. The end of the clause de-
liamentary Registration Bill, were passed through corn-
dared that " they shall have all other powers and au- .
mittee.
thorities requisite for carrying this act into execution."
NATIONAL EDUCATION (IRELAND).
No man ever saw such words as these in an net of Par-
Lord CLACARTY called the attention of her Ma-
liament before. He therefore proposed to leave out
i os t 's Government to the fact, that on the 7th March
these words. The next amendment had reference to JY .
section 10, page 5, which declared what rate of dutywas and on the 18th of April last, respectively, addresses
to be paid by different classes. This bill was founded
were agreed to by this house for the production of cer-
on the legacy duty, but every legacy from 1797 to the
tam returns relative to the operation of the national sys-
tem of education in Ireland, and that no returns have
present time declared that no duty was to be paid in
Yet been furnished, and asked for whatreason they
the case of property passing from the husband to the
-Wife, or from the wife to the husband, or in the case of been delayed.
property left to the Royal Family. This clause was The Earl of ABERDEEN said there certainly had been
omitted from the present bill, and he proposed to restore an undue delay, for which he could not account, unless it
it. At the end of the same section, 10, which provided were that the returns were so voluminous that there might
that " where the successor shall be in any other -degree have been a physical difficulty in the course of their pro-
of collateral consanguinity to the predecessor than those duction, considering that the resources at the command of
before described, or shall be a stranger in blood to him, the board were small. However, his noble friend (Lord St.
a duty of 10 per cent. upon the value should be levied." Germans) the Lord Lieutenant, who was at present in
lie thought it a great hardship that where a man was a this country, would be able to answer any inquiry on
stranger, and had property given him for life on which subject. Certainly, the Government had no desire to
he paid 10 per cent. duty as a stranger, that his children withhold the information, believing as they did that the
should also pay the same amount. "Vhat he proposed, national system of education had been the greatest bless-
therefore, was that in such case'the children should only ing conferred upon Ireland.
pay as if they were the children of the predecessor After a few
swords from several noble lords, the sub-
(Hear.) He also proposed another addition to the jest then dropped.
same section 10 of this nature :—Suppose a man made ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION.—EPISCOPAL
a marriage settlement—say of ten thousand pounds—on INCOMES.
his daughter—that was to say on the husband, for life, The Bishop of SALISBURY said he rose to move
on the daughter for life in case the husband died, and for certain papers relative to his see, and in so doing to
then on the children. That man might see in his life- make a short statement which it was painful to him to
time the husband die before kin, and on the property have to make, as it might appear of purely personal
going over to the daughter that man would see the legacy concern. He had hoped that when he had stated some
duty paid during- his own lifetime on the property from time since that he had accepted a fixed income of 5,000/.
which he excluded himself in favour of his own child, as year in place of the episcopal income, which had
The right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exche- averaged for seven years previously 6,709/. he had said
quer said he was wrong in that view, but he (Lord St. all that was necessary on the subject. But it appeared
Leonards) believed he was right, according to the con- that an impression had gone abroad, and had been in-
struction of sections 2 and 18, and be therefore proposed dustriously propagated, that he had made a good bar-
nol
succession duty should be payable in such a case as gain with the commissioners, having retained the full
that adduced during the lifetime of the settlor. In section income of his see during a series of years when the_ re-
-11, which provided that brothers-in-law and sisters-in- ceints were large, and having relinquished it only %yhoef.n
.
law should be put in the same position as brothers and he had forseen that the receipts would necessarily fall
directly
sisters,'the clause as it stood would not meet ninety-nine It was his object to show that this statement was
rev.
cases in a hundred of those which it was intended to em- contrary to the fact. He had spoken to righthissom
that
brace. He, therefore, proposed to add words at the end brother (the Bishop of Oxford), and had said to hi
the offer
of the section which would carry out what seemed to be he should not have been disposed
to
makethat for the 14
the object of its framers. In section 14, page 6, he pro- to the commissioners had it not beer!
n of the see the
posed to omit the words which declared that in the case years that had elapsed since his possessio
nd that it was
of transmitted successions the highest duty which would surplus of its income had been large,
e
atime to come
have been paid by any one of them should be paid. This almost sure to be equally large,
efaorr.t
d )—an that,
appeared to him the most unjust clause he ever saw. (The Bishop of Oxford—
Hear'i subject the Church to the
—the
there-
Supposing the case of three persons becoming successors fore, he was not disposed to
—the first of them a stranger, the second a son, and the injury she might sustain through the imputation which
third a grandson—why should the latter, if he came into would be cast upon him if he adopted a different course.
of
possession, pay the highest duty ? The next amendment He spoke in the presence(Earl of
was in section 21, which was a clause he could not well Chichester) who was a member the noble earl
of the commission, and
understand. In the end of that clause it was provided noble
also in the presence of another lord who had a seat
that if the successor should die before the instalments at the board, and with both of whom he had gone over
were paid, then any ins • talments not due at his decease the figures, and to both of whom he could appeal to con-
should cease to be payable, except in the case of a succes- firm his
statements.
Indeed, he Wft9 able to read the
•
sor who should be competent to dispose by will of a con- following letter ho had received from the noble earl :
tinning interest in such property, in which case the in- " Whitehall-place, July 26, 1853.
stalments unpaid Bishop of Salishur ,—You
should be a continuing charge on such "Dear Yrosy probably wish
interest. He apprehended, therefore,
that in the case of eto state in writing what I said to you in a recent con-
!ln ' on the subject of your
children they would be compelled b pay the instalments , v.ors.Ltiarcommissionersin
1851. agreement with the ecclea
contrary the intentions of the framers of the bill. He i ast
I st
That arrangement was at the time •
proposed, therefore, to leave out the end of the clause, considered by us to
I be an advantageous one for the common
after the words " except ing, the cases of a successorecdorato-
quently could scarcely be, as had been fund, and copse-
petent to dispose by will," &c. He also prepos.
gain to yourself. stated, a pecuniary
leave out the clause relating to timber, which, if re- aAn inspection of the septennial '
landlord to keep an account existing leases returns, and of the
tamed, would require every state upon lives, clearly shows that there
of the ear and
of every tree he sold in the cotirse . was reasonable ground for expecting that the seven years
n this ycountr
greatly tend to discourage planting i .y. commencing with 1851 would yield an aggregate income at
ndruent referred to section the least equal to that of the preceding •
(Hear, hear.) His next amendment . g period.
44, which empowered " trust , ees guardians, committees, " Indeed, I have no hesitation sayinginn that you were
any duty, and to quite justified in ti
1
tutors, &c., to compound or commute
such the ' 1851, that the • d then to duty i perm
retain out of the property subject commencing would be more
amount,and the ex- productive than the former one.
penses thereof, or to raise such
" It was with those*
penses incident thereto, at interest on the security of theearliest
opportunity which the expectations,
ll? on the
osed
to
property." He proposed to omit the words which gave
, put yourself under the new act, mid to reyeervir :fixed in-
this power, because in his opinion no more dangerous come of 5,0001. a-year, and 'no more.'
power could be given to trustees than this power of "I am sincerely yours,
commutation ; that was to say, the paying of the sup- (Signed) "CHICHESTER."
posed value of the expectancy before it dropped in. In "The Lord Bishop of Salisbury."
section 49, relating to the production of documents, he , This letter must be so satisfactory that it would be use.

less to go into details. (Hear, hear.) The right rev.
prelate concluded by moving for the papers he referred
to :—" A return of the gross and net amount of the
annual income received by the Bishop of Salisbury in
respect of his see, for the years 1851 and 1852 ; and of
all payments made by him to the ecclesiastical commis-
sioners, or received from them, during that time ; also
a return of all sums received in the way of fines upon
renewal of leases for lives during the incumbency of the
present bishop, distinguishing the years in which such
fines were received ; also a return of the average
amount of fines or renewals of leases for lives, from 1837
to 1850 inclusive ; also a like average from 1844 to 1850
inclusive ; also a return of leases for lives on which
lives are now vacant, the age of the lives in such leases
respectively, and of the amount of fines received on the
last occasion of the renewal of the same ; and also a
return of the leases for years of the see of Salisbury,
distinguishing the years in which the same will be re-
newable respectively, and the amount of the tine re-
ceived on the last occasion when each lease was re-
newed."

The Earl of CHICHESTER said, as a member of the
ecclesiastical commission, he had not only no objection
to the production of those returns, but should rejoice at
their production, being persuaded that they would con-
vince any fair-minded man that the insinuations thrown
out against the right rev. prelate had been unfounded.
At the time of the arrangement alluded to he the Earl
of Chichester) had been fully satisfied that it would be
for the benefit, not of the bishop, but of the board ; and
he was also convinced that the right rev. prelate must
have anticipated that such would be the case, and that
a larger income would be received from the see durinr '
the present septennial period than the preceding period.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said he felt it his duty
to declare, in justice to the right rev, prelate, that the
law on the subject had been very much misunderstood
and misrepresented. It was.formerly proposed that the
bishops should take the sees with the option of payingthe
ecclesiastical commissioners a certain fixed sum out of
the income of the same. But that arrangement was
made to operate during the whole incumbency of the
bishop ; and whether it was for his benefit or not, he
had no power to alter it once it was accepted. What
impressed this fact the more strongly on his (the Lord
Chancellor's) mind was the appointment of Dr. Allen to
the see of Ely, which for the first and second year
yielded him nothing, and which he remonstrated about,
but which he was told could not be remedied. He (the
Lord Chancellor) thought that was a most unsatisfactory
footing on which to place the revenue of the hierarchy ;
but, on the other hand, he was bound to say that the
prelates had no choice in the matter, the ecclesiastical
commissioners fixing the sum to be paid—honestly no
doubt—and the bishop had nothing to do but to receive
the income. Two years since, however, the law had
been altered, and things, he was happy to say, were
now placed on a better footing. If any facts, however,
were necessary to prove the unsatisfactory nature of the
former arrangement, they were furnished by the state-
ment of the right rev, prelate.
The returns were then ordered.
PRIVATE BILLS.

7i ralw
upon sygnifying their assent within-rinre. time 4§ r
limited by the Commissioners of the Treasury for this pur-
pose, to commute, upon the same terms, and subject to the
same conditions, all or any part of the annuity or interest
payable in respect of such further amount of their said
capital or trading stock as may be authorised or reetnirel
by Parliament to be invested as a guarantee fund for their
administration of private trusts, in case they should be
authorised to undertake such administration by any act to
be passed in the present session of Parliament.
Mr. DISRAELI said these resolutions had come
rather suddenly before the house, and though they ap-
peared to be limited in their scope, and at first eight to
be constructed with some simplicity, they would be
found -on examination to involve important contidera-
tions. (Hear, hear.) The propositions of the Govern-
ment, with regard to the greater portion of the fuxis,
had entirely failed, and he objected to their submittilng •
new plans to the committee which would have the effe et
of extending the commutation of stocks to parties no t
contemplated when the original measure was passed.
The simplest and wisest course would be to conclude the
arrangement which had proved to be wholly unsuccess-
ful. In the first place, he object to these resolutions,
because they would entrust to the ministers a power
which was at least unusual, if not unprecedented,
to enter into bargains at their own discretion
for the commutation of stock ;- and secondly, bemuse
the antecedents of the Go%-ernment. with respect to this
question, were not such as is induce the committee to
make an exception in their favour. (Hear, hear.) it
was most unwise at the end of the session to attempt tre
patch up a scheme in order to enable the Government
to enter into new speculations, which were founded on
calculations as imperfect as those on which their first
proposals rested. They were now asked to grant to
the Government an unlimited discretionary power for
settling the terms in which future commutation should
take place, which would leave our finances in a state of
uncertainty and doubt. The Government wore fairly
warned what would be the effect of the proposals ;
and he thought it would be impolitic to accede to the
present resolutions unless the committee were informed
more clearly what their intentions were in regard to aie
intended commutation.

Lord BEAUMONT then rose to call attention to the
state of private business then before the house. Several
bills had reached that house at so late a period that
they would be lost if the sessional order, which decreed
that no private bill should be read a second time after
12th July, was enforced. Many of those bills were de-
layed by the regulations respecting railways in the
other house, more by the difficulty of obtaining mem-
bers for select committees, in consequence of the great
number of election petitions this session. These were
circumstances over which the parties interested in these
bills had no control ; and he thought it only reasonable
therefore that the present sessional order should be re-
laxed in their instance. He therefore appealed to the
house to afford them the opportunity of being read a
second time, as to throw them over to the next session
would entail great loss upon the promoters.
Lord REDESDALE said he would willingly receive
the directions of the house on the subject ; but he re-
minded their lordships that the maintenance of the ses-
sional order in question as a general rule was of the
greatest importance to the dispatch of business in Par-
liament ; inasmuch as agents would, once they knew it
was relaxed, abate in their exertions. At the same time
he admitted that there were many bills before the house
which had been delayed by no fault of the promoters ;
but as far as he was concerned he was bound to be ex-
tremely cautions in recommending bills for relaxation of
the sessional order, if he would avoid the imputation of
partiality. Some bills he had strongly recommended ;
others he would be happy to receive the directions of the
house upon. But as regarded railway and other bills
of that nature, he should be slow to act unless where it
could be shown that extreme diligence had been used by
the promoters.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE agreed that the sessional
order should not be slightly relaxed, but he also be-
lieved that there were many bills which afforded decided
reasons for giving relief to the parties, seeing that they
had been delved by circumstances over which they had
no control. With respect to the future he had seen
with pain and annoyance his noble friend the chairman
of the committee compelled to go about from bench to
bench begging to get members for select committees ; it
was a position in which his noble friend should not be
placed, and which was not honourable to the house. He
thought, therefore, that before the clese of the session,
or early in the next, those noble lords who were in the
habit of attending committees should meet and discuss
the question of attendance, with a view to its better
distribution among their lordships. As regarded the
subject before the house, he suggested that the standing
orders should be generously and liberally interpreted in
the case of bills unavoidably delayed, and that the noble
lord should be relieved from responsibility in the matter.
He proposed, therefore, that those bills should be allowed
to proceed against which no broad grounds of objection
on the score of delay should be urged.
After a few words from Lord STANLEY of Alderley,
Earl L'ow's, and the Earl of WICKLOW,

In reply to Sir H. WILLOUGHBY,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
would -venture to state, that instead of there being any
loss, there would be a considerable gain to the Consoli-
dated Fund by the proposed arrangement.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS expressed his intention to sup-
port the Chancellor of the Exchequer, believing that his
proposal would effect no material reduction in the Con-
solidated Fund.

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After a short discussion, the first resolution wag
agreed to.
On the 2d resolution being put by the CHAIRMAN,
Mr. J. B. SMITH objected to it, on the ground that
parties who had received one offer and refused to accept
it, should not have another made to them. If the reso-
lution passed, it would place future chancellors of the
exchequer in considerable difficulty, for holders of stock
would not be disposed to avail themselves of the first
proposals of the Government, because they would look
forward to some other opportunity being afforded them
to make a better bargain. The only right course to
adopt was to pay off the parties in money, which the
Chancellor of the Exchequer must raise in the best way
he could.

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Lord REDESDALE said, with regard to several of
the bills he hoped he should be able to express an opi•
nion to-morrow. It was a more difficult matter to com-
pel the attendance of peers on committees than it was
members of the other house ; but, at the same time, he
had great doubts whether any general compulsion of
peers would be satisfactory. He confessed he did not
see his way clearly in the matter ; and if noble lords
would turn their attention to the subject during the re-
cess, he should be glad to give them every assistance.
The conversation then dropped.
Earl WALDEGRAVE wished to ask the noble lord

Mr. JOHN M'GREGOR saw nothing dangerous or
impracticable in thepropoeition of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer. Unless the Government had a discretion.
ary power they would not be in a position to do the best
they could for the public.
Sir F. KELLY should feel it his duty to oppose the
resolution in every possible way. The real question
was whether Parliament ought to confer upon a body
corporate who stood in the position of trustees for those
who had no power to act, or even to speak for them-
selves, the power to meet the views of the present Go-
vernment, although their doing so might largely sacrifice
the interests of those for whom they acted as trustees.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose to
reply, but had not proceeded beyond a few sentences
when four o'clock arrived, and the house then stood
adjourned until six this evening.
The house resumed at 6 o'clock.
Mr. V. BROWN put a question to the Secretary to the
Treasury with reference to the conveyance of mails be-
tween Mallow and Killarney, observing that it would be a
great convience to have them by the railway, which was
now opened.
Mr. WILSON said, that previous to the opening of the
railway the Post-office authorities had entered into a con-
tract to have the mails conveyed for one year by cart.
When the contract expired the Post-office would avail
itself of the facilities offered by the railway..
Mr. HORSFALL said that there existed some appre-
hension that at that period of the session Government
would withdraw that excellent measure, the Customs Bill,
and he should be glad to hear whether or not they had any
such intention ?

the Secretary for Foreign Affairs the question of which
he had given notice—namely, whether the reduction of
the naval forces on the African coast was temporary or
not? .

Mr. WILSON said, that in reference to this very im-
portant bill, he was glad to have the opportunity of stating
that the Government had no intention of withdrawing it,
and it was almost impossible from the state of the arrange-
ments made at the Custom-house with reference to the bill
that it could be postponed till another year. He had gone
over the bill very carefully out of doors with those who
were most interested in its provisions, and such a close
accordance of views had been attained that he thought the
bill would be passed with comparatively little discussion
or loss of time. He proposed to commit the bill pro forind
that night, with the view of inserting a great many altera-
tions which had been agreed on, after which the bill would
he reprinted, and he hoped early next week to obtain a
morning sitting for its discussion.

The Earl of CLARENDON said that the inquiry
made by the noble earl was a legitimate one after the
information which he had received. If any impression
existed abroad that the Government were less anxious
than formerly about the suppression of the slave trade,
or that the number of the fleet had been reduced, he
could only say that he was exceedingly obliged to the
noble earl for making the inquiry, because it gave him
an opportunity of saying that there was not the least
intention on the part of Government to reduce the num-
ber of the fleet, or to render it less efficient. In con-
sequence of the notice given by the noble earl, he had
had some communication with his right honourable
friend at the head of the Admiralty, and he had in-
formed bim that no ships whatever had been withdrawn
from the fleet of Admiral Bruce, except those which re-
quired repair or were not fit for active service. But since
his right hon. friend had been at the head of the Admiralty
only one ship of war had been withdrawn from the African
coast, and he had commissioned two in their place, and a
third, and perhaps a fourth, would be sent out in the
course of a week or ten days. He thought, therefore that
the noble earl would admit that his right hon. friend
was fully alive to the importance of the subject. The
noble earl would recollect that his right hon. friend
had only a naval peace establishment at his disposal,
and if the noble earl would also recollect, the fleet
at Spithead—the fleet at the Dardanelles—the forces
necessary to guard the fisheries in America—to
watch the coast of Cuba and Brazil, and also the
ships of war at Rangoon and China—he thought
he might appeal to the professional knowledge and ex-
perience of the noble earl, whether his right hon. friend
had not made a judicious distribution of the force at his
command for the different emergencies of the service,
and for the protection of British interests in every
quarter of the world. (Hear.)
The Bishop of OXFORD expressed his great satisfac-
tion at the answer of the noble earl, and was glad, with
many others, that the work which the country had
undertaken to do was being done with the vigour and
efficiency which so eminently characterised his right
hon. friend at the head of the Board of Admiralty.
Their lordships then adjourned.

Mr. ifORSFALL next inquired, whether the First Lord
of the Admiralty had received any communication com-
plaining of great irregularity in the delivery of letters by
the African mail contract steamers, and whether any
measures were being taken to prevent a recurrence of the
same ? Probably, the right hon. gentleman was aware
that the last steamer neglected to call at two principal
trading ports, as it should have done according to con-
tract.

Sir J. GRAHAM had not heard at the Board of Admi-
ralty of any special complaint of failure in respect to time
on the part of these particular steamers, but the Board of
Admiralty had given general notice to all parties under
contract that they would enforce the special contract in
regard to the observance of time, with more rigour than
hitherto. No representation had been forwarded to the
Admiralty that the last African mail steamer had not
touched at all the proper places.
MAYNOOTH.

Mr. SPOONER asked whether any commission had yet
been issued to inquire into the system pursued at Maynooth
College ; and, if so, ho wished to know whether the noble
lord the member for London would state the names of the
commissioners ?
Lord J. RUSSELL had to state that no commission had
yet been issued, but a correspondence was taking place
with certain gentlemen intended to be placed on the com-
mission, and until that had concluded the commission
would not be issued. He trusted no very long time would
elapse before the arrangements were concluded.
POOR-RATE ON ROYALTIES.

Mr. KENDALL inquired if it was the intention of her
Majesty's Ministers to bring in a bill, at no distant period,
to place all mines on an equal footing as regarded the pay-
ment of poor-rate on royalties ; it being at present in the
power, and in many cases the practice of persons possess-
ing such royalties so to word their leases as to entirely
avoid the poor rate?
Loid PALMERSTON replied that the subject had not
been brought under his consideration in the present session
of Parliament.
THE CASE OF SAMUEL JAMES.
Sir D. L. EVANS inquired which of the two sentences
cmesu—el
inn the Middlesex
passedthese
as
being stated to have been pronoun
najmamelyes, tohfaltOcyoneacrerlt wa
of 15
Lord PALMERSTON replied, that he was afraid it
Assistant-Judge's Court on the 22d day of June, 1852. ?
would occupy too much of the time of the house if he were
toead the report he had received on the case ; but he
should shortly state what was the effect of it. In the first
place, the culprit was undergoing the more extended sen-
tence—the reason for pronouncing which was, that the pri-
soner after conviction, being in the dock, took out a stone
of sufficient size to be a formidable missile, and, uttering
words of revenge against the judge, threw it with all his
'sight, and with a considerably dexterous aim, at the judge.
It just missed his eye ; and even in its rebound there wall
danger. The consequence of hitting the judge would have
been most serious. The decision of the judge was not
given on the spot, but on cool deliberation, that the pri-
soner should be adjudged to a longer term of transporta-
tion, being one to which he might by law be sentenced.
He (Lord Palmerston) thought the course pursued by the
Court on that occasion was perfectly right. (Hear.) If he
were appealed to as an adviser of the Crown whether any
part of that sentence should be remitted, he should feel it
his duty to recommend that not a single day should be re-
mitted. If judges in the courts of law, and if judges at the
assizes were to perform their duties under fear of personal
danger— if they were threatened with death in consequence
of discharging their duties—we might as well repeal our
laws, dissolve our courts, let every man go armed, and let
every one shoot down ruffians of that kindjas they would
mad dogs.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-(YESTERDAY.)
SOUTH SEA ANNUITIES DISSENTIENTS.
The house then went into committee upon this bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposed
the following resolutions :
" 1. That provision be made, out of the Consolidated
Fund of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ire-
land, for paying off the proprietors of the capital stocks of
Old South Sea Annuities, New South Sea Annuities, Bank
Annuities (1726), and 31. per Centum Annuities (1751),
mentioned in an act of the present session, chapter 23, in
respect of which assents to commute shall not have been
signified according to the said act, and also for paying to
the South Sea Company a principal sum equal to the
amount of the trading or capital stock of the said company,
or the part thereof the interest or annuity on which shall
not have been commuted or exchanged, according to the
said act, or any act to be passed in the present session of
Parliament.

"2. That the South Sea Company shall be permitted to
commute, within a time to be limited, all or any part of
the annuity or interest on their trailing or capital stock,
payable in respect of shares in such stock standing in the
names of the Accountant-General of the Courts of Chaucer.),
of England and Ireland, respectively, and of the Account-
ant in Bankruptcy in England, and in the names of trus-
tees and others disabled from voting in the General Court
of Proprietors of the said company, into or for any ono or
more of the stocks and securities authorised to be created
and issued by the act of the present session, chap. 23, and
the 3P. ss. per Centurn Annuities, and New 3/. per Cent=
Annuities, created under the acts of the seventh year of
her islajestey, chapters 4 and t, commonly called and
known as 3/. ss. per Centum Annuities (1844), such coin-
mutation into or for the said stocks and securities autho-
rised to be created and issued by the said act of the present
session, to be upon the terms and subject to the conditions
upon and subject to which the like commutation was
authorised under the said act, and such commutation into
or for the said 3/. us. per Centum Annuities (1844), to be
upon such terms and subject to such conditions as the Com-
missioners of her Majesty's Treasury may see fit to offer,
provided that the assent of the said company to any such
commutation shall be signified to the said Commissioners
of the Treasury within such time as may be limited by such
commissioners for that purpose.
" 3. That the South Sea Company shall also be permitted,

GOVERNMENT OF INDIA BILL.
On the consideration of the Government of India Bill,
as amended,
Sir J. PAKINGTO/1 moved the insertion of a clause
is
the bill, enacting that the salt monopoly should cello, ""
that the manufacture and sale of salt in India shall be ab-
solutely free, subject only to excise or other duty: The
case he undertook to prove was that in all countriesatioa.;B
was one of the first necessaries of life ; that 1!
especially so in India, where it is an indispe
ssr.theless, it
ment, as the food was rice ; that in India, neve
gait was
was scarce, and the price exorbitantly high. Ashitss demand asked,
cheap and abundant in England,
that the commercial law of supplywahnyl did not
En land might
operate in this case, so that the plenty i
relieve the penury of India ?
East India Company, which
the monopoly of theHe answered, that it was
400 per cent.. upon the
ex-
acted a duty of from 300 to
abroad. He described the mode in which the bad
article, whether manufactured in India or imported from
Indian salt was manufactured, and the condition of
the producers, and he insisted upon the injury
which the monopoly inflicted upon the health of the
people of India and upon the trade of both countries, the
Company's Government, so far from relaxing their mono-
poly, was even now struggling to increase its stringency, al-
.in s
caomssecato 'es' they manuft n ured alt at a loss.
which he asked l'arlia,meut, in the
nTtlailimoinsegs,b.s thethe
people of India, to apply a remedy, and he
could hardly believe, he said, that he was appealing to tile
advocates of commercial freedom to put an end to'a moue-
poly which was fatal to the welfare, the health, nay, thy
lives of the population of India, and highly injurious te
the shipping interest of this country.
Sir C. \\ in resisting the motion, observed that
Sir John had got hold of the word " monopoly," of which
he had made rep)ate I use ; but he had not understood
the word in its ordinary sense. By monopoly was. meant
th 3 enhancing by artificial regulations the price of an arti
cle to the consumer; yet, when the Governor-General of
India endeavoured to re luce the price of native salt to the
consumer, from 80 rupees per 100 maunds to 65 rUrews,„_
Sir John termed this monopoly." What he vranW.
Charles observed) was to estalslish a Ail monOpoli,,,lll
favour of the exporters of salt from this country The •
people of India paid but a single tax, and that was the
duty on salt, from which article a large revenue wax
collected in the cheapest and most convenient form,
imposing a charge upon the labouring class in. India,
L according to the best authorities, of no. mo: re than
Bd. or 9d. per head per annum, every othei article
, of consumption being duty free. In spite of the highly'

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coloured picture drawn by Sir J. Pakington, there was, he
he maintained, no evidence that the people of India had
not a fair amount of salt. Upon this question Parliament
should legislate not for England, but for India, or rather
the Government should legislate in India ; the importation
of British salt had already thrown out of employment
many of the Molungees, or hereditary salt-producers in
Bengal. The duty upen salt, which was not felt as op-
pressive, had been reduced 25 per cent.; but the object of
Sir J. Pakington was to introduce an excise system into
India, which would cause great distress among the pro-
ducers, and augment the charge of the preventive service.
The salt monopoly, as it was termed, which was no longer
a monopoly of sale, seaa only a mode of collecting a re-
venue which could nod bee ommuted for any other tax.
Mr. J. G. PHILLIMOaIE assailed Sir C. Wood for his
retrograde policy and his advocacy of what it was mere
quibbling
to say was not a monopoly. In a vehement
speech he denounced the conduct of the comp my on this
question, and urged the Government, even if deaf to the
cries of India, to listen to the voice of our own manufac-
turers.
Sir J. HOGG admitted that there was just ground of
complaint prior to laati, before which the company had a
monopoly both of production and of sale, by which foreign
salt was practically excluded. He contended that, under
the circumstances of the native, the twelve pounds which
had been spoken of was a fair average, because there were
a variety of other condiments and spices which the inhabi-
tants of India could obtain at the lowest possible price.
He stated that the duty had been reduced, and a further
reduction would take place when circumstances allowed.
Declaring that trade in salt was entirely free, ho opposed
the amendment of Sir J. Pakington.
Mr. T. EGERTON supported the amendnient.
Sir H. MADDOCK opposed it on the ground of his ob-
jection to the species of interference contemplated.
Mr. ADDERLEY believed with Napoleon, that if
" England undertook the internal government of India,
that country would be lost to us." Had this been a mere
res lotion on the subject, ho should however, have sup-
ported it.
Mr. HUME was desirous •to see the salt monopoly
abolished, believing that it operated unfavourably for the
health of the natives, and he also wished to see the trading
character of the Company at an end.
Mr. D. SEYMOUR supported the amendment.
Mr. LOWE objected to the form of the clause, which
recited the Company's act, and said that if the latter was
sufficient, the clause was useless, and if not, it was useless
to recite it. He admitted that the Company had a
monopoly, but not one to which an odious sense attached.
It was only a restriction, necessitated because the company,
had to raise a certain revenue. The company gained no-
thing by the restriction, but stood impartial between the
importer, the manufacturer, and the consumer, and had
no interest in what had been assailed with so many hard
names. Sir J. Pakington did not propose to move one of
the burdens of the people of India, and if the clause were
carried, matters would remain as they were, except that
the house would have intruded into matters of which they
had no knowledge, on which they were incompetent to
ju Ige, and on which great Indian authorities differed. He
urged upon Sir J. Pakington that the proposed clause
would not serve the interests of the British manufacturers.
Mr. JOHN M`GREGOR regretted exceedingly to hear
the speech of his hon. friend the member for Kiddermin-
ster, with regard to the great economical principles of the
salt duties. (Divide.) But as he conceived the amend-
ment a dangerous experiment, he would vote against it—
(irouical cheers)—differing altogether, however, from the
financial principles of the hon. member who had just sat
down.
Mr. BLACKETT had never heard of a subject so full of
anomalies as the Indian question, but it was long before he
could have imagined such an anomaly as hearing a Free-
trade Minister standing up for the interests of the salt-pro-
ducers of Bengal—(Opposition cheers)—and giving an ex-
planation of the word " monopoly," which would, be
trusted, make the hon. member repent ever having applied
the term to the corn laws. (Hear, hear.) It was twenty
years ago since Mr. Wilbraham brought forward a pro-
position against the Indian salt-tax, and in the debate
which ensued, Mr. C. Grant, afterwards Lord Glenelg,
said he did not defend it. No one could deny the expe-
diency of removing it, and the Government thought it
should be got rid of as soon as possible. Mr. Cutler Fer-
gusson, the advocate o the East India Company, could
only defend it by saying the prejudices of the Indians
were so powerful as to offer a complete bar to the substi-
tution of any other tax ; and on the assurance that the
Government would consider the alteration of the tax as
soon as possible Mr. Wilbrahaus's amendment was with-
drawn. The Parliament consented to leave the abolition
of the tax to the discretionary power of the local authori-
ties in India ; but now that they heard arguments Lord
Glenelg would have been ashamed to use, he trusted they
would not consent once more to leave the question in such
hands.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, that before the house divided he
wished to say a few words with respect to what appeared to
him to be the extraordinary nature of the step recom-
mended by the right hon. baronet the member for Droit-
wich ; and, first, let him remark that though his speech had
been entirely against the tax on salt—and if he had pro-
posed to abolish the salt tax altogether, he might have
been disposed to feel his argument and vote for the repeal
of the tax—the right hon. gentleman, after a long speech
against the vicious and oppressive nature of the salt tax,
proposed to do what? To leave it as the Indian Govern-
ment thought fit, and only to interfere with the mode
of collection, and say it should no longer be raised
in the present manner, but by a system of Excise.
Now, there was this important point to be considered--
that, supposing the house should agree with the motion
of the right boa. gentleman, it would by no means get
rid of the salt-tax, which had been called a monopoly,
but which he thought his hon. friend the member for
Kidderminster had proved to be no monopoly as a manu-
facture at all ; but the Indian Government, in the ex-
ercise of its discretion, and presided over by a noble lord
who was certainly as conversant, perhaps, with matters of
trade and commerce as any one who ever went to India,
might think the best mode of raising the revenue was
partly by a salt tax, and that the best mode of getting
that tax was by the manufacture in Bengal being in the
hands of the Government. He had heard it said that
Parliament was responsible for any deficiency which might
occur in the revenues of India, but certainly he had never
subscribed to that doctrine, and thought it entirely un-
founded. He thought the revenues of the holders of East
India Stock arose out of the territorial produce of India,
and that they had no right to come to Parliament in case of
a deficiency. But the case would be totally altered if the
house chose to vote with the right hon. gentleman. If they
said there should be no longer a revenue of 2,000,0001.
raised in the manner which the Government of India, in its
discretion, aided by the most able men, thought fit, how
could they tell what would be the consequence ? They
knew the salt tax was a tax which occasioned a great deal
of discussion, that it was subject to much evasion, and was
oppressive to the inhabitants of the country. Suppose there
was 1,000,000/. wanting in the revenue of India, who
would be responsible for the deficiency ? Would it be the
Indian Government ? Would they be bound to lay on
a new tax to supply the deficiency which the vote of the
House of Commons had occasioned ? No ; certainly not.
They could say, for the first time, with justice, "The
deficiency has been ccoasioned by Parliament. Don't let
us lay ou a new tax which may be oppressive to the
people of India, and let us ask the house, which has alone
occasioned it, also to supply the deficiency." He hoped,
therefore, that the house, before they supported the
proposition of the right hon. gentleman—before they in-
dulged his constituents with the prospect of better days,
would consider that as this was a subject which affected
India, it would be far better that they should not set the
example of regulating the finances of India by their own
information, which after all must be very imperfect, but
leave that great and important subject in the hands of the
Government of India, as it had hitherto been. (Hear,
hear.)
Mr. DISRAELI denied that there was any such inconsis-
tency as the noble lord seemed to suppose between the speech
and the motion of the right hon. gentleman the member
for Droitwich. It was quite true that the motion of his
right hon. friend was not for the repeal of the salt-tax, but
for an alteration of the mode of levying it, and it was
equally true that in his speech he did not conceal from the
house that his intention was to promote the ultimate re-
duction. if not the repeal, of the tax. But the first step
was to destroy the monopoly, and when the monopoly was
destroyed he defied them to raise the present excessive tax ;
so that the observations of the noble lord had not at all an-
swered the position which had been taken up by his right
hon. friend. He (Mr. Disraeli) could not agree with the
noble lord as to the difference" between the revenues of
England and the revenues of India. The noble lord
the leader of the House of Commons had told them
that he recognised no identity between those two re-
venues. Was that the opinion of those colleagues of
the noble lord who prided themselves on being the
disciples of Sir R. Peel? (Hear, hear.) Was that the
opinion of Sir R. Peel? All of them had read, and many
of them
tat had heard the opinion of that eminent personage
great authority on financial subjects—that he
could not for a moment acknowledge that there was any
difference between the revenues of England and the re-
venues of Ind'
state
forward
la ; and it would be remembered, too, that
it was the tae
whichthe finances of India were placed
which was
put tward as one of the particular arguments
imposition of the propert and income
tax. (Hear, hear.)po a (Mr. Disraeli) askey d the house
whether any one could suppose that the embarrassment
of our Indian finance
tithe
not ultimately in its con-
sequences devolve urea:: :rye of this country? for he
must say that until the
and apparently for the soleci le
lord rose on this occasion,
Ip)urpose of announcing his want
of agreement with that
itncial doctrine, he had never
heard any person of author TlTtrefess an opposite opinion.
(Hear, hear.) He repeated tile he did not agree with the
noble lord in that opinion.
finas sure that if there was
embarrassment in our Indian
s, th at embarrassmentdealt
, on tip e way or the
But he could not allow any opinion
the conclusiother,on
on such a subject, at ail to interfere
respect to the particular
which they ought to arrive at with res
now to consider
topic before them. They were called
what should be the government of India.% a considerable
space of time—probably for 20 years, fror
I been laid
lahatise decision
ealsica they had previously arrived at. It
ifnriieurndi no,: attended
question
before them that the fiscal arrangement
was, in the opinion of his rightana hon, friend,
with much misgovernment,
he
inhabitants of India. His right hon. friend had lt
before them all the circumstances and causes Which haid
ad
induced him to think to adopt that opinion, and he (fir.
Disraeli) must say that he had yet heard nothing from any
one which had at all met the case which his right
hon. friend had placed before them. Well, if it was
true that the salt monopoly—let them call it, if they liked,
by another name, and see if it smelt sweeter—if it was
true that it produced consequences so injurious to the great
body of the population of India, he wanted to know how
the evil was to be dealt with except by the action of the
British Parliament ; and when a more fitting opportunity
could occur for Parliament to consider remedial means in
this respect than the one which had now offered itself?
That was the point which they had to consider. Here was
an evil, the Immensity of which could not well be de-
scribed. How was it to be encountered ? They were
told that they must not interfere the fiscaldetails
of
with of India—that they shouldc leave theta to the Court of
Directors, and to the Governor-General. But the house
had to consider Whetlr tthoelCourt of Directors, or our own
Viceroys who were sent
ful enough, to encounter thiswere inclined, or power-
gvance, and to combat
with the evil consequences
awhich were occasioned. If
these persons neglected to do rouif they were powerless
to do so, was it the duty of thani i)house to step in and fulfil
that which these persons had omitt accomplish? and
to if it was their duty, was there an oe
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that could
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gentleman who
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ing than to see a Freetrader at bay. (Laughter.) The had been taken by surprise. He moved that the chairman ( that the best way of putting it down was to yield to it.
hon. gentleman had fought most gallantly in the painful report progress. He suggested that this was an opportunity which might
circumstances and the perilous position in which he was Mr. HUTCHINS also thought it unfair to, press Olsen.- never happen again, of carscarrying out a great principle
placed. The honourable member had read them a lee- 1 crease of salary without notice. '
ef giving perfect free trade in cabs as well as every, and
thing
true not merely on Indian legislation, but really on legis- Lord J. RUSSELL said, that if there was any wish on else la-fichi in general. He had told them that there were the part of the house to have further time, the Govern- 1 Mr. J. MACGREGOR hoped the house would not be
very few subjects which the House of Commons ought to ment were quite ready to consider this clause on the third • hasty in coming to a conclusion on this subject.
presume to meddle with ; and without too much con- reading, and for that purpose he would agree to the Mr. HUTCHINS had been present at an interview be-
fidence in himself there were few subjects on which the motion for reporting progress. There had been from the tween a deputation of cab proprietors and the Secretary to
hon. gentleman was not ready to offer them his advice. beginning a great deal of debate whether the salary of the the Treasury, and could state that his hon. friend had done
(Renewed laughter.) He (Mr. Disraeli) must protest , directors had not been placed too low. Many hon. mem- I his utmost to arrive at an equitable conclusion as regarded
against the analogy which the hon. gentleman bad drawn i leers hail expressed themselves of the same opinion with t all parties. It appeared, however, almost impossible to
between the law which prohibited the production of to- the noble lord (Stanley) that the salary of the directors I satisfy the proprietors. He hoped the house would proceed
bacco and that which regulated the production of salt in was too low. Their observations seemed to have a great to pass these clauses.
India. According to the learned gentleman they were deal of force and truth, and the increase was agreed to Mr.WALPOLE suggested that they really ought not to
Perfectly analogous—nay, more, they were identical ; but rather in consequence of what was said by hon. members, divide. He felt the cab proprietors were very much in the
the hon. gentleman seemed to forget that in India, at least, who appeared to give good reasons for their opinion, than' wrong, but he could not conceal from himself that the
the people were permitted to produce salt; but the people from any desire on the part of the Government for the in- house had been a little inadvertent. Let them put them-
of this country were not permitted to produce tobacco ; and crease in question. The question that he wished the house se!ves right by adopting the two clauses proposed by the
that, he thought, was a very considerable difference. to decide was, which was the best way of obtaining the Government, and then all would go well.
Mr. LOWE—There is no monopoly in either case. services of the best men in the government of India. If Mr. GROGAN did not wish to stand in the way of an
the directors were to have the disposal of so many millions arrangement, but the clause would not carry out the object
Mr. DISRAELI was not aware that he had used the
of men and the revenues of India, the house ought not, for in view. He certainly would oppose it in the interest of
the sake of 5001. a year, to lose the services of men who the public.
word " monopoly." The honourable gentleman had had
! could govern India with the greatest wisdom. Many of Sir J. SHELLEY, as one who was present at the inter-
andexperience of other popular assemblies besides the present,
in those assemblies, he believed, the members were i the men who came from India, and who might be offered view of the cab proprietors with the right hon. gentleman,
rather more in the habit of interposing their remarks in I the situation of director, might say that the salary of thought it right to state they were satisfied with the reso-
debate than was customary in this country. The hon. 5001. would not enable them to incur the additional ex- lotions so far as they went, but that nothing would corn-
gentleman, following that practice, was always ready with pease of living in London without a loss of income. pletely satisfy them except a shilling for the first time.
his suggestions, which were, of course, always interesting, They might therefore decline accepting the post of di- Mr. FREWEN recommended that the clauses should be
but sometimes, when one was speaking, they were incon- rector, and say that they meant to live in a cheaper printed and brought up on the report.
venient. (Laughter.) He (Mr. Disraeli) wanted to bring part of the country. The real intention of the clause The CHAIRMAN put the question that the clause be
the attention of the house to the right point before them,
He wanted to prevent them from being diverted from it by was to secure the services of the best men who could read a second time, but
such considerations as the noble lord who had just ad-
govern India well. He agreed that the patronage at- Mr. GROGAN was so anxious to oppose it that he rose
dressed them had introduced to their notice. Was it, or I
1 cached to the office of director went for something in the twice to divide before the chairman read it, amid some
was it not, the fact that the present state of the law and consideration of their recompense. Patronage was a power, cries of " Order," and a voice, "Let it be read first the'
of the fiscal regulations of India with respect to the pro-
and the being enabled to obliged a man whom a person in you may
learn what it means."
duction of salt was an enormous grievance, tending to the office considered worthy added to the consideration in The CHAIRMAN—Does the hon. member divide 9
degradation of the population of that country? If that `which he was held. He did not allnde to the bestowal of Mr. GROGAN—Certainly.
was so, had they a fair chance of this evil being successfully , patronage in a sordid sense and from sordid motives, but a The committee divided—
man liked to be in a position to give a reward to persons ' For the clause BB
dealt with by the Indian authorities ? If, as he maintained,
Against it 9
they could not indulge that hope, was it the duty of Far-
whom he thought deserving, and to choose among his fel-
liament to interpose? And if it was the duty of Parlia- low-citizens the persons he considered worthy to fill situa- Majority for the clause —79
tions of power and responsibility. (Hear, hear.) On our return to the gallery, the chairman was reading
went to interpose, when could they have a happier oppor-
tunity or a more befitting occasion than when they were The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and the house the words of the next clause, that in every one-horse car-
resumed. riage only 6d. for each person above the number of two
deliberating on the best mode of governing India ? That
he believed to be a true description of the question then , •
The bill was ordered to be read a third time to-day should be paid for each hiring.
tFriday). Mr. MAC'ARTNEY really thought they were pursuing
before them ; and, if so, it was one of great responsi-
LATE SITTINGS OF THE HOUSE. a very hasty and injudicious course in going on with the
bility, from which he, for one, had not the courage to The Clerk proceeding, at half-past 1 o'clock, to read clauses at that hour. Let them adjourn the debate till 12
shrink. The evils of the present system of regulating the the remainingwaarder sof the day, 28 in n ber when to-morrow (this day), and meantime the clauses could be
printed for the use cf members.
manufacture of salt were as great national evils as any M BROTHERTON, amid cheering fromum all sides of the
which the imagination of man could well picture. He had I.*
not heard the evils of the system depreciated even by hon, house rose and moved that the house do now adjourn. He The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The hon.
gentlemen opposite. With the exception of some phrases rotested against going into the consideration of any new member must be aware that other business is fixed for 12
by the President of the Board of Control, to which, per- tills at that time of night. (Cheers.) He had abstained, o'clock to-day.
haps, he hardly annexed the import they certainly bore, he of late, from interfering to move the adjournment of the Mr. MACARTNEY—It will only take ten minutes to
had not heard any attempt made, nor seen any inclination
P house, because he considered that he might as well attempt settle the matter. C' Oh !oh !")
in any hon. member, to pretend fora moment that the fiscal to stop the tide. He had for 20 years perseveringly endea- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The
regulations respecting the manufacture of salt was not one voured to bring the house to observe reasonable hours, (A course proposed is uinecessary, for the house will have an
of the greatest evils that could possibly exist. Well, then, laugh, and hear, hear.) The attempt was now beyond his opportunity of considering the clauses when the report is
strength ; but he
really hoped that, next session, some mea- brought up.
was it the wish of the House of Commons that these evils
should be permanent, and that there should be no attempt sure would be adopted to prevent a repetition of such late Mr. MAGAN did not know whether the house would
to remedy them ? Had they well considered the come- sittings. (Cheers.) If the house, next session, did not arrive at a sound decision or not, but certainly the hon.
point, for he had only just awoke from a very sound
adjourn at midnight, he would rcommend those gentle- member for Antrim was not a very good judge of the
quinces of a population in a chronic state of bad health—
(a laugh)—because, although gentlemen might smile, that men who constituted the fourth estate in that house (look-
ing up at the reporters' gallery), to shut their books and sleep. (Laughter.) The clause would not be very much
was the fair conclusion that must be drawn from authentic leave the house. (Cheers.) If they did so, he felt certain for the benefit of the cabmen, for if it had four persons
documents in their possession (Hear, hear.) He had it would cause hon. members to abridge their speeches. to carry, instead of putting them into one cab he could
heard some sneers about his right hon. friend standing up /re hear.) The house teeear
for the interests of his constituents in the motion he had and a 'half. This might be done now and then, but when, The clause was then ordered to stand part of the bill.
brought forward. He had been astonished to hear those as had frequently happened of late, the house sat 14, 15, Mr. LOWE said, he had another clause to propose, to
sneers from the Secretary to the Board of Control and and 16 hours, the labour was beyond what human nature the effect that the driver of a cab should be at liberty to
others. Ho hoped that, on both sides of the house, they could endure, charge ls. per mile for every mile or part of a mile, if re-
were sufficiently enlightened, when their attention was The house cheered, and the clerk went on to the next quired to drive beyond the circumference of a circle the
drawn to the consideration of a topic by those who were
interested in it, not to be misled by the representations order of the clay. radius of which should be four miles from Charing-cross,
ENTRY OF SEAMEN BILL. provided ho was discharged beyond such circumference.
that were made to them on behalf of a limited body of This bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. FREWEN thought this clause required considera-
human beings. But he denied that they had on this ques- DUTIES ON HORSES LET FOR HIRE BILL. tion. Supposing a person took a cab from Charing-cross
tion the consideration of what constituency the member This bill passed through committee. to the Tower Hamlets, it would be beyond the four miles ;
represented who brought a question of this kind under HACKNEY CARRIAGE DUTIES BILL. and then, according to this clause, the person would be
their notice. He thought he knew his right hon. friend In committee on this bill. charged a shilling a-mile. This he considered to be ob-
pretty well, and he felt sure that it was something beyond Mr. LOWE (for Mr. FITZROY), brought up a clause to jectionable.
the mere interests of the constituency of Droitwich which enact that, where more than two persons ride in a cab 6d. Sir D. NORREYS said, if they adopted the Post-office
had animated him in the able appeal he had that night shall be charged for each person more than two for the as the centre of the circle, as was at first proposed, they
made to the house. (Hear.) He should like to ask some whole hiring This provision, he said, had been prepared would include a large portion of Bow and the Isle of Dogs
enthusiastic Freetrader who was opposed to him, whe- before the recent strike.
—(laughter)—and the more. distant parts of Camberwell ;
ther, when the hon. member for Stockport, or any other Sir D. NORREYS asked, if this clause had not been en- but they would exclude the new and populous district of
hon. gentleman who represented the interests of La.nca- acted in consequence of the late strike, why had not notice Bayswater and that neighbourhood. He thought the
shire came forward, and called on them to repeal the been given of it? change from the General Post office was most judicious ;
duties which regulated the importation of foreign corn The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that but instead of Charing-cross he would suggest St. Clement's
10 years ago, they would have thought it a conclusive or the intention of the Under-Secretary had been simply that Church as the centre.
swer to sago a gentleman to say, that he was advocating the Legislature should put itself quite in the right towards Mr. PELLATT thought the distance should be three
the interests of his constituents, and that the only object the cab interest, while it showed its determination not to miles instead of four.
he had in view in the course he was taking was to benefit depart from what it considered just towards the public Sir J. SHELLEY said, the reason that four miles were
those whom he immediately and particularly represented Sir J. SHELLEY rose to corroborate the statement of fixed on was that that radius would include all the princi-
in that house? (Hear, hear.) Indeed, whatever might be the right hon. gentleman. He had that afternoon been pal railways, whereas, if three miles were adopted as she
their opinions on this subject—whether they considered it present at a deputation of cab proprietors who had waited distance, almost every, one of the railways would be ex-
in a philanthropic or in a purely commercial light, he was on the Under-Secretary of State, and he had heard that eluded.
surprised that any one, and especially that a Minister of deputation state positively that the resolution just read The clause was then agreed to.
the Queen, holding the responsible office of President of from the chair, had been laid before them previous to the Mr. F. SCULLY said, that as the cab proprietors took
that department which peculiarly presided over the for- occurrence which had lately taken place, and the reason of out licences, and thereby entered into a contract with the
tunes of India, should consider it the happiest retort, and the delay in bringing it before the house had been a mere public to convey passengers in their vehicles, they were
the most felicitous repartee he could make, that such a question as to the wording of the clause, which had only bound to perform that contract, and ought not to be al-
motion had been introduced in such a manner as to show been settled a short time ago. He certainly hoped that her lowed to withdraw their cabs without notice. He sug-
that the right hon. gentleman was thinking only of the Majesty's Government would not give way on this occasion. gested a proviso to that effect.
interest of his constitaents. He argued from such an (Hear.) As one of the metropolitan members, he had been Mr. LOWE objected to the clause being entered upon at
answer as this that the case which the right hon. gentleman very anxious to see any just demands which the cab that time.
the President of the Board of Control rose to support was proprietors might have, met in a proper spir and boundsettled Mr. F. SCULLY said he would bring up the clause at a
not one of the strongest that had ever been placed before if possible ; but, at the same time, he was to say future stage.
the House of Commons. He should now leave the house that the circumstances under which they now came The house then resumed, and the bill was reported.
to decide the question on the broad merits of the case, such
as he had endeavoured, very feebly he was aware, to place before the house were very materially altered by the On the order for resuming the adjourned debate on the
course which they had pursued. (Hear.) He thought the resolution for allowing strangers to remain in the house
before them. (Hear, hear.)
most dignified course for the house to pursue would be to during divisions,
The house then divided, and the numbers were— look upon these men now as entirely out of court ; when Mr. MUNTZ complained that the order for resuming
For the clause
Against it
Majority against the Government —lO they had might be redressed in a fair spirit. (Hear, hear, Mr. S. HERBERT said there was no objection on the
The clause was then added to the bill, and cries of " No !") part of the noble member for the city of London that the
Mr. BLACKETT then proposed the following clause : Mr. SPOONER quite agreed with the Chancellor of the experiment should be tried. (Hear, hear.)
"That the President of the Board of Control, or, in his Exchequer that this question must be treated as a question The resolutions, moved by Mr. Museez, were then agreed
absence, some other member of her Majesty's Government, of justice, and without any reference to what had taken to.
shall, in every session, make a statement to the House of place. (Hear.) He was one of those who believed with the The Crime and Outrage (Ireland) Bill, the Customs Bill,
Commons on the subject of the Indian finances, on some hon. baronet the member for the University of Oxford that and the Dublin Carriage Bill went through committee.
day subsequent to the presentation of the annual Indian they ought not to have fixed the fares, without evidence The Turnpike Acts Continuance (Ireland) Bill was read
accounts.' before them that those fares were just. (Hear.) His con- a second time.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, the clause was a very unusual viction was then, and it still continued the same, that it The Public Works Act Amendment (Ireland) Advances
one. The hou. member proposed that the President of the was not just to require them to go for a sixpenny fare at Bill wont through committee.
Board of Control should make a speech every year. Why all. (Hear, and cries of "No !") He was perfectly certain The Committee on the Naval Coast Volunteers Bill was
not specify how long the speech should he ? (Laughter.) that if they had gone into an inquiry, they would have ' fixed for next Monday, at 12 o'clock.
Whether 10 minutes or a quarter of an hour? (Laughter.) been convinced that it was impossible for the cabmen to The house then adjourned, at 5 minutes past 3 o'clock
He really thought it was not a matter for legislation, and get a fair profit at that price. (Hear, and cries of "No !")
he must therefore object to the clause being brought up. When hon. members used the argument that the cabmen
Mr. FIUME was surprised at the noble lord. (Laughter.) would get twice as many fares at the reduced price as they
Many years ago it was the practice of the Indian Minister could have done at the old one, they must remember that,
to make a financial statement to the house, and he consid- though it might be a very fair one as regarded machinery,
erect that the Governments had in recent years failed in it was scarcely one which could apply to cabs, where two
doing their duty in that respect. He should have thought horses would be required to go over the increased distances,
that the noble lord would have said that he had no hesita- and where the wear and tear of the vehicles would be so
tion in bringing Indian matters annually before the House much greater. In fact the expenses would be found to in-
of Commons. He hoped the noble lord would reconsider crease in the same ratio as the fares they got. He wished
the subject. If there were any objection on the ground of to ask the Government whether they would consent to in-
such statements occupying the time of the house he would troduce a clause, which he really thought was just—that
suggest that no man should be allowed to speak more than there should be no sixpenny fare at all (cries of "Oh !"
an hour. and " Hear"); but that the fare should be ls. for every-
Lord J. RUSSELL had no objection to a statement of thing under two miles. When they came to consider that
the Indian finances being made. He admitted that it was they required the service of a horse and man for however
a very useful practice to require such a statement ; but little distance they went, he was sure they must allow that
what he objected to was the making it the subject of a 6d was too little.
clause in au act of Parliament. Why not, upon the same Mr. GROGAN said that, if he understood the clause
principle, require the Chancellor of the Exchequer by act rightly, it was to allow cabs, which were, only licensed to
of Parliament to make his yearly statement? carry two, to break the law 'ley carrying more, and get ad-
Mr. DISRAELI begged to suggest that if the President ditional fare for it. He had' no objection to the cabs car-
of the Board of Control made an annual statement of the rying snore than two, but he did not like to see it put in
Indian finances he should be required to state the sums in the light of an infraction of the law.
pounds sterling, and not in sieca rupees. (A laugh.) Mr. LOWE pointed out that to carry two meant that
The clause was then put and negatived. they were not to be compelled to carry more than two, and
Mr. WIGRAM moved the following clauses : not that they were to be limited to carrying two only.
"No law or regulation made by th Governor-General Mr. FREWEN thought that they were knocking under
in Council under the powers of the statute of 3d and 4th to the great proprietors by amending the act in this men-
et' William IV., c. 85, s. 43, shall be invalid by reason only ner. It was notorious that it was not the men who owned
that the same afects any prerogative of the Crown, pro- one or two cabs who had organised and were carrying on
vided such law or regulation shall have received the pre- this strike, but the large cab proprietors—(Hear)—and it
vious sanction of the Crown, signified under the Royal would be far better for the house to adjourn the conside-
sign manual of her Majesty, countersigned by the Presi- ration of this question for a few days, and when the cab
dent of the Board of Commissioners for the Affairs of proprietors came to their senses no doubt the house would
India. entertain any reasonable proposal for the relief of any real
"All fines and penalties incurred by the sentence or or- grievance under which they might be suffering.
der of any court of justice within the territories under Captain MAGAN said, that considering the manner in
the government of the East India Company, and all which the hon. member for North Warwickshire had been
forfeitures for crimes of any real or personal estate within treated by a cabman last year, it certainly was very disin-
the said territories, and all real and personal estate within terested of him to advocate their cause with such spirit.
the said territories escheating or lapsing for want of an heir (A laugh.) It was the duty of that house to protect the
or successor, and all property within the said territories public against these men, and, as they held licences for
devolving as bona vacantia for want of a rightful owner, the benefit of the public, he would suggest that this would
shall, as part of the revenues of India, belong to the East be a very fitting opportunity to insert some provision in
India Company, in trust for her Majesty, for the service the bill to prevent persons holding licences ever again re-
ef the Government of India. Provided also, that the Go- sorting to such a combination. (Hear.)
vernor-General in Council, and any other person or per- Mr. B. CARTER suggested, that as there was a bill now
sons who may be authorised by any act passed in that be- before the house relating to the Dublin carriages, a provi-
half by the Governor-General in Council, shall have power Edon in it which gave power to the police authorities, with
(in cases where the same may appear suitable and proper) the consent of the Recorder, to vary the fares according as
to make any grant or disposition of any property so accru- circumstances might require, should be introduced into
ing by forfeiture, escheat, or otherwise, to or in favour of this bill, substituting the Under Secretary for theßecorder.
any relative or connexion of the person from whom the Mr. F. SCULLY wished to know whether the additional
same shall have accrued, or to or in favour of any other 6d. for every person was to be for the whole distance, or
person or persons." only per mile.
Sir C. WOOD said he had no objection to the clauses. Mr. LOWE—For the whole distance.
The clauses were then added to the bill. Mr. F. SCULLY—In that case there could be no objec-
Sir H. MADDOCK moved the following clause :-- tion to the clause. He thought the whole question ought
" Whereas the territories of British India are a portion of to be considered with great care, and he himself was pre-
the dominions of the British Crown, and the native and pared with a clause which, he thought, would prevent the
European inhabitants thereof are her Majesty's subjects, recurrence of the present deplorable state of things.
the Government of the said territories as carried on in Mr. O'BRIEN thought the cab proprietors ought to have
India, and the administration of justice therein, shall, followed the example of their fellows in Dublin, who re-
from and after the passing of this act, be in the name of I presented their case fairly and calmly to the authorities,
her Majesty, her heirs and successors, and all public acts , and by that means succeeded in getting provisions intro-
of the Government of India shall be done and executed by . duced into the bill which met their wishes. (Hear.)
the Governor-General in Council, in the name of her Ma- Mr. C. HOWARD reminded the Government that this
jesty, her heirs and successors." clause did not apply to that very useful class of carriage,
Sir C. WOOD observed that, as the house was aware, the Hansom cabs.
this question had been raised and discussed in the corn- Mr. LOCKE thought, with the hon. member for North
mittee—(hear, hear)—and, if the clause were agreed to, the Warwickshire, that justice ought to be done in this case in-
bill would be absolute nonsense. (Hear, hear.) I dependent of the present state of things. (Hear, hear.)
The clause was then negatived. When the conduct of the Dublin cabmen was contrasted
Sir C. WOOD said he had given notice some time ago of . with that of the London cabmen, it must be remembered
his intention to bring up two clauses fixing the qualifica- that the latter had never had an inquiry referred to them. I tion and salaries of the directors. Objections had been IHe thought it would be much more consistent to leave the
made to the large money qualification now required, and he ' responsibility of arranging the matter in the hands of the
thought it very desirable that the qualification should be Government, but he entertained a strong opinion that the
reduced. He considered, also, that it was most desirable . scale of fares laid down in the bill was not remunerative.
that all the directors should possess the same qualification. (Cries of "No," and " Hear.") He certainly thought that
He therefore proposed a clause reducing the qualification at least an inquiry into its justice should have been made
of elected directors from 2,0001. to 1,000/., and enacting before such a reduction was attempted. I
that all directors, whether elected or appointed, should Lord D. STUART agreed with those who thought the
have that qualification, and should be required to make a house ought to resist anything like a concession to clamour.
an
dec
amount laration that they were in possession of stock to such He lamented very much the state of things out of doors,
and chiefly for the sake of the persons who had occasioned
After a words from Mr. BLACKETT, the clause was that state of things, for there could be no doubt that the
agreed to.
persons engaged in the cab trade would be those who would
Sir c
H. H. S.
ries
of C. WOOD then proposed a clause, fixing the sale- suffer the most inconvenience from the strike. : In taking
the
Pixie
blank, leaving each of chairman and deputy-chairman at 1,5001., and such a course the had been ill-advised, but at thelatme time
Ida
the directors 1 000/. a-year. He moved the in- he could not help reminding hon. gentlemen that the;pre-
The clauseghl
troduction of th at
'
it to
clause with the space for the amounts in sent difficulty, and the publics annoyance experienced
conduct. If
rienced had
i sees. for difference of tonnage,
, . s Although the Pixie had to allow the Ida 2 min. 30
to be filled up in committee on the clause, been brought upon the house by their own yet she was declared the
increase in the salarines
avzug been read • the select committee asked for had been granted, all the
Mr. HADFIELD bj ' winner, b:e time by 14 min. 5 secs. This prize, a hand-
L;) to it. He was opposed to any details connected with the matter would have been properly some silveer claret jug, ornamented with richly-chased
derstood that their lti4r.oencatzoers, as it was well un- examained, and the mistake would not have been made- vine-leaves and grapes, the manufacture of Mr. Page, of
Mr. BLACKETT concurred i
the objectionable sysetmernoluotralf lee; t was really to be found in which had involved us in so much difficulty. Another Georgeeetreet, Plymouth, was afterwards presented to
i hide, in
legislating, the house should remefilber the good Mr. Moore.
clause, and would vote against it n -Ille objection to too I old proverb, " The more haste, the less speed." (Hear.) There, were a great number of other minor prizes con
clause, and would vote agais it. Re objected to paying The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought it
the directors both by salary and
tended :For by pleasure-boats, ordinary boats belonging
. was not desirable now to. reopen the subject of sixpenny.
Mr. HITITHINS and Mr. WlSrocnoainep.lained
notice had been given of the amount of salary now fares, and that it was much better either at once to decide
that no . to ships in her Majesty's service, besides rowing matches
Po •
Re! to bo given to the directors. pro- on the subject before the house, or agree to postpone it for
future consideration, rather than proceed with a discussion for me rchants' gigs, four-oared gigs two-oared skiffs,
gig and. punt matches, and a variety of 'other amusements
Mr. MILNES thought hon. gentlemen committed an upon the general merits of the question. (Hear, hear, and that appe Ared to give general satisfaction.
error in confounding patronage with salary. persons ~s.
(11 cries of "Goon " . ) 1 The Qountess of Mount Edgcumbe patronised the
posing of patronage derived no pecum, yt' ar advantage from Mr. GROGAN feared the clause would give power to regatta lyy cruising in tho Cloud yacht during the after-
the drivers to convoy and indefinite number of persons, and noon.
it. The pate-onage of which the Secresary o the Treasury
disposed was enormous, but would any one, for that reason, moved that the chairman do report progress and ask leave ..................
say he urtglie, to have no salary ? to sit again.
Mr. SPOCiNER said the question of the amount of et-•
--1"• LONE was told that the clause was rightly worded, COIIPUI ,GORY VACCINATION.—The bill, as amended, to
salary must :se considered in committee. but
value 1 eider the wo •
but, if it were not, it would be open to the house to recon- extend am 1 make compulsory the practice of vaccination..
Mr. MANGLES protested against a pecuniary wording of the clause upon the report. the
being set nova the patronage, which the directors took a Mr. V. SCULLY considered that the matter involved a bill,and schedules of forms. It is proposed
solemn oath before God not to dispose of for a pecuniary resat constitutional principle nt only as regarded the to
mother of every child born in
consideration. cabmen of London but other
classes of the community, and enact- that the father or
has been published. There are 13 provisions in
The house then went into committee. the i,-lea ought not to be
allowed to get abroad that if men n to
months after birth, cause it to be take
out in this way within t hre43 mon
On the proposal to fill up the blank with the salary of turned they were to have their clamour
1 and vaccinated, unless
1,5001. per annum-a for the chairman of the Court of Di- listened to at once. (Hear, hear. -,-,
, .1, was a principle
the medical officer of the p ace
England or Wales after the Ist of August, 1853, shall,
rectors, I which, if yielded to, must spread far and wide, and there the same- shall have been previously vaccinated by some
Mr. THORNT-LY pressed for the adjournment of the was no telling where it might end. This strike was a sort
""tion, on the ground that his hon. friends around him of petty rebellion, and the Government seemed to think forced fo c non-compliance with the act.
qualified enedical practitioner. Penalties are to be en-

PORT OF PLYMOUTH REGATTA.

PLYMOUTH, JULY 27.
The annual town regatta, which was postponed from
last week in consequence of the extremely unfavourable
state of the weather, came off yesterday afternoon, but
under scarcely less favourable circumstances. A thick,
hazy Atmosphere prevailed, and the view to the specta-
tors was limited for a very short distance. A goodly
number of persons collected on the Hoe, but by no
means to the extent as is commonly witnessed on such
occasions. The committee were on board a vessel
moored off the Hoe for the purpose of conducting the
general arrangements, in which they were assisted by
Mr. Lomer, the late secretary of the Royal Southern
Yacht Club. The programme of the amusements set
forth numerous and valuable prizes for competition,
amongst which was a handsome piece of plate pre-
sented by Charles John Mare, Esq. ; a piece of plate,
value 201., presented by J. R. Newcombe, Esq., the
to ssee of the Theatre Royal ; and nine or ten other
prizes.

- The first race for the day was for
A PIECE of PLATE, value 501., presented by Charles
John Mare, Esq., for yachts above 15 tons. The fol-
lowing yachts were entered :
Yachts. Tons.
Blue Bell 3O Captain Roebuck.
Annie l6 Samuel Triscott, Esq.
Fawn 2B H. Filhs, Esq.
A time race: The course was through the eastern
channel of the Breakwater, round a mark vessel
moored off the Shagstone, thence to another mark ves-
sel moored off Penlee Point, leaving both on the star-
board hand, returning through the western channel,
rounding the buoy off the Cobbler, leaving it on the
port hand, and thence round the committee-vessel,
which was also to be left on the port hand. Twice round
the course.

The Fawn did not appear at the start, which took
place at lb. 30m., the two yachts keeping well together
until they got on the outside of the Breakwater, when
the Blue Bell obtained the lead, and kept it for the rest
of the round, which was performed as under :

H. M. s.
Blue Bell
Annie 3 45 45
In consequence of the heavy lop of sea outside the
Breakwater, and the strong south-westerly wind blowing
at the time, the Annie received so much damage that on
completing the first round she sailed into the harbour,
struck her flag, and gave up all further share in the con-
test. As a matter of form, the Blue Bell proceeded
over the course alone, and the second round was thus
concluded :

H. M. E.
Blue Bell 5 43 45
Captain Roebuck was then declared to be the winner
of this valuable prize, witch was of magnificent work-
manship, from the manufactory of Mr. Cave, of George-
street, Plymouth. It ccnsisted of a richly-chased vase,
the root and trunk of the oak-tree forming the foot, with
the foliage beautifully encircling the body, the handles
formed of two full-length figures of sailors standing on
its branches, in the act of cheering. The whole sur-
mounted by a cluster of acorns and leaves.
The next was a PIECE of PLATE presented by J. IL
Newcombe, Esq., lessee of the Theatre Royal, for
yachts under 15 tons. The following yachts started at
3h. 33m. :

Yachts. Tons.
Pixie
Ida lO Messrs. Hocking.
A time race. The course the same as in the last race,
but only once round. The race was very well contested,
but the Pixie proved herself by far the best sea-going
vessel in the heavy sea outside the Breakwater, the race
terminating as under

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

GOOD WOOD RACES-THURSDAY,

The heavy rain which fell during the night and early
this morning, although it made the road pleasant for
travelling, had the effect of rendering the course exceed-
ingly heavy, sorely trying the stamina of the young ones.
The "Cup Day" is always the most attractive of the
week, but this year the sporting interest was heightened
by Dervish and Autocrat, the first favourites for the
Derby of 1854, coming together to measure their strength
in the Bentinck Memorial Triennial Stakes, in which
Autocrat achieved an easy victory. The unsettled state
of the weather diminished the general attendance, but
the meeting was still a brilliant one. The " profes-
sionals" mustered in great strength, and the aristocratic
visitors were more numerous than usual. The Cup, a
handsome piece. of plate, designed and modelled by
Baron Marochetti, represents an incident said to have
taken place at the battle of Cressy, where the King of
Bohemia and two French knights devoted themselves to
death by tying their bridles together, and dashing into
the thick of the English army. This splendid memorial
of French gallantry was appropriately borne away by
Jouvence, a French horse, the property of M. Lupin, a
gentleman well known in this country as a patron of
horse-racing. By a singular coincidence the second
horse, Hervine, was also bred in France, and belongs to
M. Autnont, a French gentleman.
Having yesterday given a list of the distinguished
guests at Goodwood House, we need but observe that
the same parties were to-day, with their noble hosts,
spectators of the exciting sport, which came off as fol-
lows :--

PRODUCE MATCH of 50 sovs. each, for 2-yr-olds ; colts,
Bst 71b ; fillies, Bst 41b ; untried stallions or mares al-
lowed 3lbs ; both, 61bs. T.Y.C.
Mr. Dorrien's Empress Catherine, by The Emperor
Bst 1 llb
Lord H. G. Lennox's Whittington, Bst llb (Flatman) 2
They ran together to the distance, where the Empress
took the lead, and, after a smart finishing set-to, won by
a short head.
SWEEPSTAKES of 100 sovs. each, for 3-yr-olds, the pro-
duce of mares which have never bred a winner ; colts,
Bst 71b ; fillies, Bst 21b. One mile. (7 subs.)
Mr. J. Powney's Cineas, by Touchstone or Epirus,
Bst 71b (Maton) 1
Lord Exeter's Cobnut, Bst 71b . (Marlow) 2
RACING STAKES of 50 sovs. each, for three-year-olds ;
colts, Bst 71b ; fillies, Sst 41b ; certain winners extra.
Second to save his stake. One mile. (14 subs.)
Mr. H. G. Sturt's Lascelles, by Touchstone, Bst 71b
(Rogers) 1
Lord Derby's Umbriel, Bst 71b (Butler) 2
Lord Clifden's Cheddar, Bst 71b (A. Day) 3
Duke of Richmond's William Rufus, Bst 71b
(Flatman) 4
Lord Exeter's Filbert, Bst 131 b (including 61b extra)

(Marlow) 5
FIRST YEAR OF THE THIRD BENTINCK MEMORIAL
STAKES, a triennial stakes of 10 sovs. each, for two-
year-olda ; colts, Bst 71b; fillies, Bst 41b. T.Y.C.
(61 subs.)
Mr. R. E. Cooper's Autocrat, by Bay Middleton,
Bst 71b (Templeman) 1
Lord Derby's Dervish, Bst 71b
Lord Exeter's Dandelion, Bst 71b (Norman) 3
GOODWOOD CUP, value 200 sovs., the rest in specie by
subscription of 20 sovs. each, with 100 added ; the
second horse to receive 1001. out of the stakes, and
the third 501. Two miles-and-a-half. (30 subs.)
M. Lupin's Jouvence, by Sting out of Currency (bred
in France), 3 yrs, sst 91b (T. Sherwood) 1
M. Aumout's Hervine (bred in France), aged, 7st llb
(Spreoty) 2
Mr. Morris's Kingstone, 4 yrs, 9st 31b (Basham) .... 3
Mr. Greville's Muscovite, 4 yrs, Bst llb (Fiatman)... 4
The following also ran :—Weathergage, Knight of the
Shire, Ambrose, Mussa Mungo, Now or Never, Enact,
Dagobert, Lambton, Rattle, Zephyr, and Peggy.
Betting at Starting--7 to 4 agst Muscovite, 4to 1
agst Peggy, 10 to 1 agst Jouvence, 12 to 1 agst King-
ston, 12 to 1 agst Ambrose, 20 to 1 agst Weathergage.
Only the first two were backed for money. A good
start. Dagobert immediately rushed to the van and
took a decided lead—Latnbton, Knight of the Shire,
Now or Never, Muscovite, Hervine, and Ambrose com-
posing the front lot, Jouvence lying some distance be-
hind them. In pretty nearly the same order they pro-
ceeded until they were round the Clump, when Dago-
bert declining, lost the lead to Hervine, and at the same
time Jouvence, who increased her advantage at every
stride, and eventually won easily by two lengths. Four
lengths between the second and third, and between
third and fourth. Peggy was sth, Weathergage 6th,
Dagobert 7th, Massa Mungo Bth, Lambton 9th, Rattle
10th. The others pulled up on passing the Stand.
SECOND YEAR OF THE SECOND BENTINCK MEMORIAL
STAKES of 10 sovs. each, for 3-yr-old colds ; colts,
Bst 71b ; fillies, Bst 31b. Gratwicke Stakes Course.
(36 subs.)
Duke ofßedford's Sittingbourne by Chatham, walked over.
THIRD YEAR OF THE FIRST BENTINCK MEMORIAL STAKES
of 10 sovs. each, for 4 yr-olds ; colts, Bst 7lbs ; fillies,
Bst 21b. Queen's Plate Course. (76 subs.)
Lord Clifden's Poodle, by lon, Bst 71b (A. Day) 1
Duke of Richmond's Harbinger, Bst 71b (Flatman) 2
Mr. Bowes's Daniel O'Rourke,Bst 71b (Butler) 0
Mr. Merry's Hobble Noble, Bst 71b (W. Day) 0
SWEEPSTAKES of 50 sovs. each, h ft, for 3 yr-olds ; colts,
Bst 71b ; fillies, Bst 21b. One mile and a half. (10
subs.)
Lord Exeter's Cobnut, by Nutwith, Bst 71b (Norman) 1
Mr. Wauchope's Catherine Hayes, Bst 21b (Templetnan) 2
Sir C. Monck's Vindex, Bst 71b (Ewart) 3
Lord Exeter's Filbert, Bst 91b (Marlow) 4
MOLECOMB STAKES of 50 SOVS. each, h ft, for 2 yr-olds ;
colts, Bst 71b ; fillies, Bst 41b. Certain winners extra.
The owner of the second horse to receive back his
stake. T.Y.C. (19 subs.)
Mr. Padwick's Andover, by Bay Middleton, Bst 71b
(A. Day) 1
Mr. W. Cookson's Mincemeat, Bst 121 b (Rogers) 2
Mr. Knowles's The Caliph, Bst 71b (Basham) 3
Lord Exeters's Amos, Bst 71b (Norman) 4
Mr. Payne's Strutaway, Bst 41b (Flatinan) 5
DUKE OF RICHMOND'S PLATE (Handicap) of 100 sovs.,
for all horses. New mile.

Mr. Robinson's the Black Swan, 3 yrs, ist 21b
(S. Steggles) 1
Mr. G. Munro's Corybantes, 3 yrs, 7st (Hiett) 2
The following also ran :--Eulogist, Abdallab, Ticton,
Octavia, Grapeshot, Mr. Sykes, Convulsion, St. Faith,
Jullien, Phrygia, Prevention, Inder, Lady Margaret,
Gavotte, Sandhurst, Clio.
Betting :-3 to 1 agst Inder, 4 to 1 agst Octavia, 6 to
1 agst Lady Margaret, 10 to 1 each agst Corbyantes
Phrygia, Abdallab, and Clio, 12 to 1 agst the Black'
Swan, 100 to 6 agst Prevention. Octavia made the
running followed by Phrygia, Jullien, St. Faith, and
Lady Margaret to the turn at the top of the hill, where
Black Swan and Corybantes drew forward. At the dis-
tance they passed Octavia, and after a good set-to,
Black Swan won cleverly by a neck, the second beating
St. Faith, who was third, but not placed, by a length
and a half. Several ran in so closely together that we
were unable to ascertain their respective positions.
SWEEPSTAKES of 200 sovs. each ; for 2-yr-olds ; fillies,
Bst 71b each ; those by stallions or out of mares that
never bred a winner, allowed 31bs—both 51b. T.Y.C.
(4 subs.)
Lord Derby's Sortie by Melbourne, Bst 41b

(Templeman) 1
Mr. Greville's Durindana, Bst 71b (Flatman) 2
Sir R. Pigot's Sister to Filius, Bst 71b (A. Day) 3
Mr. Brook's br f by Orlando—ldolotry, Bst 7113

(Osborne) 4
ANGLESEY PLATE of 501. (handicap.) Gentlemen riders.
Craven course.
Captain Lane's Agis, aged, 12st lOst (Owner) 1
Captain Little nd Lady Isabel, 4 yrs, 10st 41b
(Capt. Little) 2
Mr. Isaac Day's Waterfall, 5 yrs, list 71b (Mr.
Roberts) 3
The following also ran : —Bordeaux, Little Naughty,
and Lambay.
SUSSEX STAKES of 25 SOW!. each, for two-yrs-old ; colts,
Bst 71b ; fillies, Bst 41b ; those by untried stallions or
out of untried mares allowed 31b. Only one allow-
ance. A winner before starting 51b extra. T.Y.C.
(3 subs.)
Mr. Knowles's Ludwig, Bst 21b (Basham) 1
Mr. Dorrien's Telegraph, Bst 41b (Kitchener) 2
Pelion was scratched for all his engagements at Good-
wood on Thursday, at 11.53 A.M.

LATEST BETTING ON THE COURSE.
DERBY.-- 6 to 1 was the highest offer against Auto-
crat. Offers were made to take 25 to 1 each about King
Tom and Wild Huntsman.
The races will commence this day at half-past 12.

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