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text ke should prApose his Resolutions or ays and
Means. •
Ihe Order of the Day was then read for going
into a Committee neon the Irish Martial `l..aw.Bill.
It was opposed by Mr. DAwsoN, who contended
that there were nut a sufficient number of Irish
Ziret:nbers,.present, and supported 1.)- Mr. AB BOT,
A Mr.LEXANDER., and Mr. BAGWU,L, after which
the House went into the Committee,.

111,1 r. 13x.tc.,GE,.in the Cluir.

Mr.' AB DOT moved, to .fille up :the .Bldl.l:s'left for
the duration of the Bill; with Jilt 'cvords. 4' until
fine Month after the conclusion of a' PO;,ce."

Mr.,W. PONSONBY opposed the Motion, and.
moved, that the Chairman should leave the ,Chair.
Mr. PAWSON, in a speech of some length,
entered into a description of the state, of Ireland,
and said, he could assert Upon the authority of the
Judge who went the North East Circuit in Ireland,
that at least-part of the Country was in a state of
Mr. CEO. PONSONBY said, thatundtrubtedly
in the County which he 'had the honour, to repre-
sent, there did exist re banditti who, notwith-
standing 01 the rewards which were offered by Go_
vernment, could not be apprehended ; from this
circumstance it was obvious, that they
.must have
many friends in that, part of the Country, and there-
fore he‘shodld not oppose the Bill generally,, how-
, ever it trenched upon the Liberty of the subjed ;
but he eertainly.should'oppose this Clause,--as one of
the most monstrous that ever was proposed; became
it silat- telling the Enemy that as- long as the War
lasted they' were sure of finding friends in Ire_-
lanch He believed that there never was an in-
stance `iii which such a 'measure as this was
proposed for such an indefinite period, notwith-
standing any change of Circumstances which might
take place in the Country. it was 'necessary
that' this' Bill should be continued next year,
it would be easy; to appoint -another Commit-
tee ; and if it was. found proper, they mighti renew
the Bill.. One, of the strongest"arguments la favour
of the Union was, that it woUldbe for the,advantage
a Ireland to have her affairs regulated by an Int-,
Aerial 'Parliament, who would not be netuated by
.the local prejudices and passijns of the Parliament
of Ireland but certainly, the clause now pro-
posed, did not support that assertion--fora more
violent, ..and unconstitutional proposition, he it.
lievedi had never kien made.

The CHANCELLOR 11 the EXCHEQUER
said, he wished to hive caught the eye of the.Chair-
in. an sooner, and then he should perhaps have saved
the Hon. Gentleman the trouble of making manyof
the obKrvations which fell from him: -Fiehoped arid
trusted that the people of Ireland would always ex-
perience from the United Parliament the most patentA
kindness and attention, ;old lie ;was sure that his
Right Hon. Friend. (Mr. Arr unT),. in making this
Motion, was aduated by that kind of feeling towards
irelaud. He was sureertherd was. no CIMII in the
Pause or in the Country more devoted to the ge.
Arra'. interest of the Empirei_pr. to that of Ireland
An particular, than , his Right-, Honourable Friend,
and he had too doubt• but that the benefit of
that -disposition and of his talents, would be felt
in Ireland,. as, they had been in this Country.--;
The Hon. Gentleman. Lad, given his sarthioo to the
general principle of 'the Bill, -and hadrstated 'that
there eisted, in the county 'he represented a: ban..
dit Li who could not be suppressed,_ notwithstanding
all the- etforts of. government. He, howeVel, was,
tvilling to admit that he slid nor wish to continue
the Bill so long as had been proposed by his Rt. Hon.
Friend, because. he wished 'that Parliament shOUld
have an opportunity of eonsideiing this measure
next Session, and of deliberating. upoir,the•proprietY
of renewing the Bill. if it should appear neeesoary
from; the state of Irehind to renew the Bill, they
would have an oppoitunity of doing so, either upon
the-Report of another Committee, or tlpon the Rea
port now before them.' lie certainly did, net know
that it was intended' to propose the continuance of
the Bill for so long a period, though perhaps he
ought not to, have used -the term "so long," be-
cause he flattered himself 'that. the House might
ICok forward-with the hope diis the period of Peace
would It e antecedent to the time to which he meant
to propose to continue. this Bill, (if his-Right Hun.
Friend would withdraw hiS motion) ;width was tb
the 25th of March next. He begged not to' be
misunderitmid in speaking of the termination. of
the War, he, Yr take only with hope, not with
confidence. He was led to make this observa-
tion with the view of repelling insinuations,
which were frequently thrown out' abeut the pro-
bability of the lOng 'duration Of the War.----,-These
insinuations could only:. have the et e& of .dis-
eouraging the people 'of this Cotintry ;. and he was
'the more anxious to meet end -repel them, becausts
he knew- theyurpose for which they, were made: He
wished therefore, to state, that he hoped the period
which he meant -to propose, would go beyond the
time which had bi,en Mentioned by his Right Hon.
Friend. -He.should he ashamed to detude the .Coun-
try with the pro:,pal of Peace; without fotrridation;
but he thotiOt it. right to say T'iltuS' niech,, in order
to refute thA kind Of insinuations which he had al-
Wed to.' He, hoped, therefore, that his Right Hon.
riend wouldwitharaw: his 'Motion ;..and hi:that
ease, he should_ move tip the Blank .with the
'wards, " the zch of March,
.I•Se4.!!
Mr. G, PUA;SONRY. said, that if the Minister'
could only express hope., and not confidence, on the-
subjea of Peace, he was -afraid it was..imt %;ery•
near..

Mr. GREY said, he did r.nt know what these in-
sinuations were to which the Rt. Hoi:1; Gentleman
11116cler. As' to the Question he had at different'
tiines aSiced abot4t the Negotiation; he was aCtuated
by the best motives, and he Wished that some dis-
nod view shoUld .be laid before the Public of the
state of the contest in which we were'engaged be-
fore the Prorog4tion. of Parliament. The contiud
of Gentlemen an the other side of the House had
'becn most: singular upon this occasion,. parti-
c !lady of the Right lion. Gentleman, who-now
4ipeured to hav,e merle the _original ivlotion with,
on the _ concurrence of the other Ministers.—

That Right Monourable Gentleman had ' intro.
duced and :,,,:porttd many s-evere measures, and
what they ,:et this night, would afford but a
bad specia.,o cif the kind and parental candua which
the People of Ireland were to expert from him. He
wished to know whether it was kind and parental
to excommuricate Ireland from the benefit of LaW,
not for a limited time, bast during the War, however
long it might last ? However, as the origihal Mo-
tion was to be withdrawn, it was • not' necessary
for him row to occupy more of the time of the
House.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
.
that upon the sprit and temper of the Hon. Gentle.
man's speech, Ite shohld make no observation, but
lie was sure the HOusemust have'heard with asto-
: nishment.the observations which the Hon. Gentle-
man had direded against :his Rt: Hon. Friend Nr.
An ROT), for until he had heard' the Hon.
,Gen-
sleman, he did not believe that there was any other
sentiment entertained respelling his Right Honour-
able Friend, but those of esteem and affedion-
He therefore felt it-necessary to repel what he con-
ceivedle be a gross injustice offered to hini. With
respea to insinuations thrown out against the sin_
cerity of Government, the Hon. Gentleman had
no right to call it in question, because:he could not
state a single instance in which he (the CHANCEL..
LOR of the Excll EQUE R.) had not done what he had
promised. If the Hon. Gentleman could point out
any incongruity his condua, public or private,
he might then call his sinterityin question, but he
was sure the Hon. Gentleman could do no such thing.
• nese kind of insinuations must at all times be pain-
, ful to him, but they were More so as coming from
that Honourable Gentleman, because they were in.
conSisteric with these sentiments which he always
thought the Hon. Gentleman entertained' fo4- him.
It was from a strong sense of feeling
.that he rose
to repel those observations, which he knew to be
unjust, and which might produce the:worst effeas,
.for how could the Enemy treat. with cordiality
with a Government who were represented as' insin-
cere in their wishes for Peace-?

Mr. GizEr said, he entertained the greatest
regard for the Right lion. Gentleman,.buthe highly
disapproved of those public principles upon. which
he ated. . „ .

Mr. ABBOT said, he was "xious.to explain the
grounds upon" which he had made .the 'Motion•: he
had done sifbeeause'he conceived himself warranted
by the Report of the committee,,. from which it
appeared that there was no hope that,, the Re-
bellion in Ireland would subside while the disaffett-
ed. People had any :expettation of •foreign
Having noitc.ason to think that the Members of that
Committee; had eirmged their opinion, he had
moved to contin'ue,the Bill till after the War. If,
however, it was thought better that the Bill should
be limited to the •2.5 th of March .next,- he had no
objeetion to withdratv- his Motion; and An thus
giving' way: 'to the.. sense of the House,, he did not
feel that he- exposed hiniself to any ,reproach.--
With •respeCt. to what And. been said about the
,future Government-of Ireland, he wished to say
only a•few words. • One of the strongest argun-ients
in'fa,vourof the .measure, was the manner in which
the pOwer, lLad.been used by. the 'Noble. Lord who
lately presided in Ireland. The Noble Lord who
now filicd.that situation, was no stranger to the con-
clucl of,hikpredeccssor, and he was sure that Country
bad every thing to hppc from the Noble Lord's Vigi-
lant'attentiOn to the AdMinistration of Justice, 'and
his disposition to mercy, whereVer it eciuld be shewn.
With ieswtft to his own conduCt, it was a subjeCt
upon which he did not wish to. speak : :it must .be
left' to the judgment of otbers;' he.wOnid' not
be deterred, by any observations of the Hon. Gen:
tieman nor any body else, from doing' what he Con-
ceived to behisiduty. 'He would not trouble the
House any longer ; lie did not, conceive that in •giv-
ing way upon this occasion co the 'general 'sense of
the House, he exposed himself to any reproach— •
_ Nil cdnscire stbi, null, piillescete 9110.

Mr. STEELE expressed, 'his indignation at the
attacks whiCh had pion.
Friend mhde upon his Right on.
Friend ; he conceived tile original Motion to have
been justified by the Report of the Committee, and
should have'voted fur it, but, :at the same time,, he
had no objedion to concur with what seemed to be
the-general opinion of the House.
[We are surly, that front the latent of the hour, we can-
not detail the relilail:tier Orrhe Debate.j

Mr.GkEY and Mr. STEEL .severally explained..
Mr: CORKY, in= a s'hot‘i, hut eloquent speech, ex-
pressed the highest confidence in the talents, ap-
plication, and principles of 'the Right Hon. Gent.
who now filled. the office of Minister •Cor Ireland.
After a conversation of great length, which
Nip. Wit rrn AD, Mr, TIMM, the: Sre it rrA
at WAR, Mr. LEIGH, Mr. AI.EXANUEtt :And Colonel
MARTIN took a parr, -the original .Motion was
withdrawn. , •

The CHANCELLOR of the ExctrEQuEit"then mov-
ed to fill up the blank with' the Words f 4 the zstb
of March, t3oz,“ which was'agreed tcts . - .
Mr. IVII/TBRE ,1D then proposed several amend.:
, .
ments ; for tiiing'the nUinber of :Members on Courts
Martial to
,i 3.; for giving the persons who were,
to be tried _a tight of . challenge ; for .restrain.
ing Courts Martial fronLinflieting other pUnishrifents'
than those inflided by :i Cr.,urt of Law, and for pre,•
venting any_ person frosty being tric,d before a Court.
Martial fur offc,nces, for which 11w had. been triedin
a :ours of ~aw. They wereopposed' by • the Ai,
TORN :Y and SOLICITOR GE'N IR.\ Ls, and negativedi
without it
division. - - ,

: -
161 r. ,/,) APiSON next propOs4(l..,k. elause, after
having made-a few observations,against the Bill in
general, for 'enaeting that, all 'Wlefinbers.of the Courts
Martial held under the Bill shall: be at,leasLpf
age of it years, ,
This;clause was also negatived witliotkt-dglmte:pr
amendment. . :
The Bill was passed by the dpmmittee, and the
report ordered. to be received to-Motrpw (this dit.)
'l-IJF-other Orders DC, the.,Day were, diqioked of;
and mostly delayed to a future day.
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tilt.to-:morrow:(this.:!.day).:

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