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Mr. Wu. DOIDAS moves, u That the Loß.t.
'ADvOoATE of SCOTLAND have leave to be ab-
sent until the zoth March."—Leave was granted.

REVEAL OF BROWN BREAD BILL.

The Order of the Day being read for • the .
tecond reading of the Bill for repealing the
Brown Bread Bill,

Mr. WILBERFORCE BIRD begged to call
the attention of the House to the Lftate of the
Corn Trade ; that part of it to *hick he most
particularly alluded, was after the Corn came into
the river, and before it was brought into the mar-
ket. It appeared to him clear that very great
frauds were praaised in that part of the business ;
if there were not, he begged to ask how it was
possible, after the laudable economy which had
been praetised—after the very great importation
which had taken place, an importation which
had filled all the warehouses on the river—after
the Substitutes which had been introduced, from
motives of duty by the Rich, and from motives
of necessity by the Poor— after this, he asked,
whether it was possible that Bread should increase
in Price, if some very shameful frauds .were not
practised ?
Mr. RYDER said, it undoubtedly was the
intention of the Committee on the High Price
of Provisions to turn their attention to every
aubjeft which had been referred to them by the
House. ,It certainly was the intention of the
House, and he wished' so see it aced upon, to
confine all discussions upon this subjea, in the
first place to the Committee, to whom the House
thought proper to refer this subject. Discus-
sions there, might be attended with pradical
consequences, which could not be the case in that
House. As far as he was concerned, he was
ready to pay every attention to every Gentleman
who would attend the Committee, and give it
any information upon the subject, and he wished
very much, if the Hon. Gentleman possessed any
information, he would be kind enough to corn.
municate it to the Committee.

Lord SHEFFIELD said, he was sorry he was
not present yesterday, when the Right Hon.
Gentleman. (Mr. RYDER) moved the entire Re-
peal of the Mt in question. He had understood
that it was a partial Repeal, or Modification that
was proposed should not, at this time, dis.
pure the' expediency of repealing, or modifying
the Ad. Yet, he conceived, the principle re-
mained•perfettly sound and good, and was by no
means affected by any of the evidence or argu-
ments that have been brought against it. He
observed, that no measure has a chance of success
which is to be managed and formed into a Law,
by those who do not wish it well, and which is
to be carried into execution by some who have
uniformly opposed it. He observed, that the
Flour or Bread now made under the MI, is much
coarser than was intended. It was originally
proposed, that from about six to about nine
pounds of coarse Pollard, according to the quali-
ty of the Grain, should be taken from a Bushel
of Wheat; but, according to the new mode of
dressing Meal, by means of Brushes through a
Wire Cylinder, the whole of the Wheat may be
made to pass through it, even Wheat of the
worst qualities ; and, he observed, Cloths ,dress
finer than Wire, and Foreign Wheat requires .
finer Cloth to make equally good Meal. It is
said the demand for inferior British Wheat is de-
creased, and is much increased ibr the fine,
which may be accounted for by this circumstance,
that the fine are wanted to mix with the coarse
Pollards, which were taken from the Flour used
before the AEI took place; and also-to mix with
the coarse Foreign Wheat that was on hand—
He observed, the MI certainly has not had a fair
experiment ; the adulteration has been excessive
He yielded to the acclamation for Repeal,: be-
cause no effeCtuat mode of preventing Adulteration
that may be unwholesome, or increase_ the Pre-
judices of the People, had been proposed.. He 'de-
sired not tube understood to mean, that A.dqltera-
tion takes place only in restieet to Browniaread;
full as great. a degree of it is prglised inlmaking.
White Bread, but the People arC disposed to,
swallow, very contentedly, every thing that is
given them of the white
,sori: 'The -small diffe-
rence of price between' the White and the 'Brown,
is brought forward as an argument against the
MI, ratmely, Ten Shillings pei Sack, or Seven
Farthings in the Quartern Loaf. - He said, be
could not discover why the difference was • not •
greater ; but such experience as he has, taught
him, that there might be one-fourth. He had,
before the Ad took place, caused a conaiderable.
quantity of Bread, nearly of the quality intend-
ed by the Mt to be made, and sold to particular
descriptions of persons, at two.:thirds—of the
price of London White Bread, He does not con.
ceive he had any great profit, but he was not a
loser, and the Bread was so good and well liked,
that he could not completely satisfy the demand.
He wished to shew that Brown Bread is whole-
some when not adulterated, and that it is not uni-
versally disliked. It was used, in many places,
before the passing of the Ali. Tle thought a
total Repeal would be a declaration against the
use of such Bread, that it would raise a clamour
against those who had, exerted themselves for the
purpose of diminishing the Consumption of
Wheat, and would turn the Country loose from
all idea of management.. He wished, therefore,
something should be substituted in the Bill of
Repeal:--It would only teaze and perplex the
Country to have a Bill, relative to Brown Bread,
brought forward some time hence ; and he de-
sired it might be understood, that he did not .01a-
jeCi to the Repepi of rho limitation to one kind
of Flour, because the Adulteration is so great,
that the statuteable Flour i$ said
.to disagree,
particularly with Children, and he did not wish
to run any risks in that respea.
Mr. BUXTON said, that the mixtures which
were made under the late Bread Bill were such
as required investigation ; he had seen Bread
sent up from the Country, which he was sure no
Gentleman would say was fit for the food of man.
When it was known that there were in the River.
so many vessels full of Corn, which could not
tinder the Mt in question be used, and when such
very hati lircad was made, it must be the rprtai

wish of the Country that the Aa4 should he re-
pealed. He believed that the Repeal of,this Aft
would be attended with the most beneficial effeds,
and bring into use a great quantity of 'Wheat
which, under the operation of the present Aet,
could not be used, and therefore he should vote
for 'this fill.
Lord SHEFFIELD explained.
Mr. YORKE said, he gave his support to the
Ad passed last Sessions, because he conceived
that it would be produaive of a considerable
saving in the Consumption of Grain, and he was
now induced to consent to its Repeal, because
experience had shewn that the saving was by no
means so great as they had been led to hope it
would be.. It was expelled that it would bring
into consumption a greater quantity of Wheat,
and that it would tend very considerably to lower
the Price, of Bread., but instead of producing this
eff'el, it had appeared in Evidence before the
'Committee, that it had thrown .out of Consump-
tion a great quantity of the lower kinds of
Wheat; upon this groutftl, 'he consented to its
Repeal. The next question was, whether
.it was better to repeal the Ad, altogether
or only in part. As it was a very desirable'
objed to carry this Bill through as speedily_
as possible, he thought it not expedient- to odic-
,it with another Bill which would require per.
sothe very ,particular provisions.—At the
same time. be was clearly of opinion that some
measures should be taken to encourage the sale of
coarse Wheaten Bread, and this objett would not
be prevented by, .this repeals &c. When the Aft
of last Session ,was repealed, all the former Afts
would be in force, particularly the 36th Gao.
which was framed for the purpose of permitting
the sale of a coarse kind of bread without an
Assize.- 'He 'wished very much that gentlemen
would state their opinions upon this subje6t in
the Committee rather than in the House, because
no immediate good could result from stAtiiig.
• them in the latter place, but on the contrary it'
might produce bad effeEls. With reaped to whit
had been said about such great quantities. of"
, Corn being in the Aiver, he could only say.
wished the account was true, - but he very much,
feared those who thought so woul4find thenie;!,
selves deceived.

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Mr.. VIINSITTART said, he was perfealglNa.,,,,,,.:
well satisfied with the repealing the:Aa which it
was the ohjea of this Bill to do ; but he expressed
a wish that this should not be a mere and simple
repeal, that, it might contain some clauses Of pro.
vision for the regulation of Breid in future, and
which, he apprehended, were easily eluded. kie
was confident that the last Bill, which was now
about to be repealed, did not answer the purpose .
for which is was intended ; he hoped to see, how..
ever, introduced into this repealing Bill some
Clauses for the Regulation of Brown Bread. He
• had seen with pleasure a large shop in Oxford.
road where there was the proper Household Bread,
with the mark H. upon it ; perhaps there were
many such in the Metropolis. He apprehended ,
they would all be stopped by the Bill now before ,
• the House: He had at least a doubt whether they
could be continued, or whether they might re..
commence.
Mr. WILBERFORCE BIRD conceived. him-
self so pointedly alluded to, that he must beg leave .
to say a few words again. He apprehended that
he had not been guilty of any irregularity in
making the observations, and throwing out the
hints he did upon this subject.
Mr. RYDER observed, that much had been
said, in the course of the conversation which now
occupied the- attention of the House, on topics,,
which, stri(Uy speaking, were not before the
House.-.--Here he entered into ,a short history' Of
the former Bills which had been enafted, Val
which were in force before the Mt, how to be
repealed, had passed into a. Law, and on the to.
peal of which they Would all revive; and by them
there were 42arly jegalatign, and. some of chi=
. very good ones, for'thei making of Brown Bread
and then he observed,Thai the- ramp reason-which
would make the HOuie. Wrifz-to44iss the preietif
Bill, would make thernlvisit:there was as littl.
"difference of opiniort a 3 Po_uktiti:tiod that third"
should- be. as little delay as iassible sa t is pro.
ccedilitrand he wished. to'be -again :understood
that Brown. Bread may .be made, notwithstanding
the-Repeal of the present Bill, and it would thin
be under the modification of. Laws that were its•
force previgus to the passing-of this last.A.d.

-The Question was then put, and the Bill wont
read ; second time : it then went through a Coin.
mittee the Report was received, and the Bill
was ordered 'to be ingrossed, and read a third
time to-morrow, if then ingrossed.
At six o'clock the House adjourned to to.
• morrow.

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