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tives of India were to be admitted to the civil service of
the company. For himself, he thought the proposal of the
Government, which professed to throw open the civil ser-
vice to unlimited competition, but which at the same time
absolutely excluded natives of India, was a retrograde step.
He did not say that because he approved of the old system
of patronage, but because, while the old system could not
have been permanent, the present plan would not be felt to
be an abuse in this country, whatever it might be in India,
and it would therefore be allowed to continue without im-
provement. He confessed he did not think it at all likely
that any of the natives of India would come over to be
educated at Haileybury ; but that was the less to be re-
gretted, because the educational establishments in Calcutta
and other large towns in India were such as prevented the
slightest fear of the education of the natives being much
inferior to what it would be if they were educated in
Europe. He should vote for the amendment.

Mr.LOWE said he could not avoid expressing his surprise
at the tone in which this question was taken up and dis-
cussed. Hon. members founded themselves on clause 87
of the act of 1833, which declared that no native should be
disqualified, and they wished to see the spirit of it carried
out. But in the military service, where no change had
been made, the effect of that very clause was to produce
an exclusion of natives. If that section was to be taken
as the groundwork of their policy upon this question, it
applied as strongly to military covenanted service as to
civil covenanted service. By this bill they proposed, in-
stead of exercising a patronage confined to Europeans, to
open the doors of Haileybury to any native of India capable
of passing the requisite ordeal. Colour, religion, and
descent had hitherto been disqualifications, but they would
be so no longer. The bill, in fact, fully carried out the
meaning of the clause, and it was, therefore wrong to op-
pose the bill in this particular, as if it were not intended to
give full effect to the principle of the clause. It might be
certainly that there would not be many Indians who would
be able to compete with success, but that was not the fault
of the bill, but the fault of the system of education pur-
sued in India. Then, it was said, that poverty might in-
terfere to prevent the competition, and it was suggested,
that a third of the admission should be open to competi-
tion in India. If that system were adopted, however, it
would be found that the effect would be that those who

were elected under examination in India would be inferior
to those elected under the examinations in England. Be-
sides, if the principle were good for anything, why should
the numbers of admissions be limited to a third ? His

opinion was, the Hindoos ought to receive fair opportuni-
ties for competition, and nothing more. His belief was
that the bill was unjustly accused, and that for the first
_ _

time it broke through We restrictions of European mono-
poly, more than that which a growing nation ought not to
concede.

Mr. M. MILNES said he could not vote for the clause of
the hon. member for Richmond, although it appeared to
be a fair logical deduction from the conclusions to which
the house had come. The effect of this system of compe-
tition, he was convinced, would be to open the Indian
population to the conviction that these ranks and honours
were impossible for them fairly to obtain.
After a few words from Mr. PHILLIMORE,
Mr. RICH replied, and
The committee then divided—
For Mr. Rich's clause
Against it
Majority
The clause was, consequently, rejected.
Mr. NEWDEGATE moved the addition of the following
stock
ck East:_ IndiaAt
sctloacukse,vwotietsh
aca vicoerwdinogf
Company, the proprietors of stock or shares in any cum.
every ballot for the election of directors of the East India
gitovithnge vthaleuperor t'ehteoirrs
Parliament, or of the government of India, for the purpose
pang or association of persons established by authority of
of effecting or carrying on by means of joint stock any un-
dertaking of irrigation, drainage, railway
ior other com-
munication, or other object of internal improvement in
India, under the supervision of the Government thereof
(such proprietors being qualified as hereinafter mentioned),
shall be entitled to vote in respect of their paid up stock
or shares, according to the scale following, that is to say,
one vote in respect of 2,000/. ; two votes in respect of
4,0001. ; three, votes in respect of 7,000/. • four votes in
respect•
of 10 000/ and upwards. His object was to en-
courage the application of capital and enterprise from this
country for the improvement of India. He would not,
however, divide the committee on the subject.
The clause was then brought up and read a first time.
On the question being put that it be read a second time,
Sir C. WOOD acknowledged the temperate manner in
which the hon. member had introduced the clause, but
doubted very much that it would be wise to adopt it.
The clause was then negatived without a division.
Mr. J. G. PHILLIMORE then moved that the Chair-
man should report progress.
Lord J. RUSSELL did not object to the Chairman re-
porting progress, but in the present stage of the bill he
proposed that it should be proceeded with this day at 12
o'clock.
After a few words from Mr. PHILLIMORE, the Chairman
reported progress, and asked leave to sit again at 12 o'clock
this day.
CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) BILL.

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On the motion that this bill be'read a second time,
Mr. MAGUIRE wished to have some reasons from the
Government for the renewal of this measure at a time when
Ireland was unusually tranquil.
Sir J. YOUNG was happy to corroborate the statement
of the hon. gentleman that Ireland was at the present mo-
ment in a state of great tranquillity. The act would not
be necessary at MI6 present time, if it were not that many
circumstances had convinced the Government that the
baneful system of Ribbonitnn extensively prevailed ; and
it was against that, and that alone, that the provisions and
powers of this act were directed. He was sorry to say
that disturbances prevailed in the north of Ireland, while
in the west and south they were tranquil. He denied that
the act was intended to be directed against the liberties of
the country, because every one who was the true friend of
his country would endeavour to put down those outrages.
With the one single exception of these secret societies, he
could congratulate the house and the hon. gentleman upon
the general tranquillity and prosperity of the country.
Mr. BOWYER moved that the bill be read a second
time that clay three months. He did not think the
bill was needed for Ireland, and the house should pause
before it assented to such a stringent and unconstitu-
tional measure. In the county of Louth Ribbonism
was entirely extinct, in consequence of the efforts of the

clergy, aided by the pastoral of Archbishop Cullen. The
greater portion of the evidence given by the witnesses
before the committee on the state of crime in Ireland, as
regarded th csaunty of Louth, was a tissue of fables, cal-
culated to convey a most false and mischievous impression
of the state of that county.
Mr. LUCAS was astonished at the statement of the right
hon. baronet as regarded the return. The proclamations
referred to were few of them recent, some being since 1848,
and some antecedent. Since 1850 there was not one,
eas3pt from the province of Ulster, that was to say subse-
quent to the famine having passed away. This was a
subject worth serious attention. He (Mr. L.) drew the at-
tention of the right hon. baronet to certain words attri-
buted to the Irish Attorney-General, at the Monaghan
assizes, in which that great law officer of the Crown urged
the landlords of that county not to reduce their rents—
stating that in a country disturbed by crime the landlord
who did so would be an enemy of his country. He (Mr.
Lucas) wished to know whether these were also the senti-
ments of her Majesty's Government, assuming the facts to
be as represented. He (Mr. Lucas) seconded the amend-
ment.

The house then divided—
For the second reading l4l
Against it
Majority —llB
The bill was read a second time accordingly.
BURIALS (BEYOND METROPOLIS) BILL.

The house went into committee on this bill.
On clause 7 being proposed,
Lord PALMERSTON said the bill was of a purely sani-
tary character, and was not intended to operate to the ml-
vantage or disadvantage of any particular sect. _

Lord J. MANNERS sainlie clause already provided
that there should be a piece of unconsecrated ground set
apart in every graveyard for the use of dissenters, so that,
in fact, the object of the hon. member was fully provided
for.

The clause was thou agreed to, and the bill passed
,hrough committee.
STAMP DUTIES (No. 2) BILL.

The house then went into committee on this bill.

Oa the third c:ause being read,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (in reply to
Mr. Newdegate) said that the effect of this clause would
be to enlarge the statutory size of the newspaper by one-
half, leaving it open to the proprietors to make what use
they pleased of the enlarged space, provided they did not
divide it into more than two sheets.

Mr. NEWDEGATE said they were about to make a
present of 34,000/. to some six newspapers, at the expense
of the smaller and struggling publications. He should
therefore move that the clause be omitted.
The committee divided—
For the clause O2
Against it 4O
Majority for the clause —s2
The other clauses were also agreed to, and the bill was
reported to the house.
The Land Tax Redemption Bill was read a third time
and passed.
The Newspaper Stamp Duties Bill was read a third time
and passed.
Tho Highway Rates Bill was read a third time and
passed.

TURNPIKE ACTS CONTINUANCE, &c., BILL.
This bill was read a third time. On the motion that it
do pass,
Mr. FREWEN moved the insertion of a clause, to the
effect that upon the same trust a second toll should not be
paid at any turnpike-gate within two miles of the gate at
which the previous toll was paid.
Mr. FITZROY opposed the clause.
The house divided, and there appeared--
For the clause 27
Against it
Majority
Lord NEWPORT then moved the insertion of a clause
prohibiting the use of dogs in drawing, or helping to draw,
carts or barrows on turnpike roads, under the penalty of
20s. and costs, or 21 days imprisonment with hard labour.
Mr. 0. GORE supported the clause.
Mr. FITZROY opposed it, but expressed a hope that if
the clause were adopted by the house the noble lord would
consent to mitigate the penalty of hard labour.
Mr. FREWEN supported the clause as a means of get-
tin, rid of a most dangerous nuisance.
Lord NEWPORT said he had no objection to omit the
words " hard labour," if the Government would consent to
the clause in that shape.
The house went into committee, and the words "hard
labour" having been expunged from the clause, it was
agreed to, and read a third time, and the bill passed.
The Consolidated Annuities (Ireland) Bill was read a
third time and passed.
The Betting-houses Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed on Thursday next.
The Dublin Coinage Bill was committed pro form; and
ordered to be recommitted on Thursday.
The Customs, &c., Duties Bill was read a second time,
and ordered to be committed to-morrow (this day).