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Why then, all those- who lid not-wish to see per-
sons in Holy Orders coming into that House, must
wish to sec a Bill brought into Parliament.. 'Think-
ing this a case of magnitude, aed.thinking it essen.e
tial to the House and. satisfaEtorr to the Public to
have it settled ; he declared'a readiness to move for
leave to bring in .-a Bill, to remove doubts upon
the Eligibility of Persons in Holy Orders taking
Seats in that Housee uniess some other Member
better qualified iheuld .undertake the -task :' but if
-'the House shoelel vote `differently from what he
hoped it would, he.should vary -the title of the Bill for
which he should move leave to bring in, If the pro-
position before the House was merely to declare that
1 a person in Holy Orilers was irieligible'to a Seat in
that House, he should have skippered the affirmative ;
the whole of the present proposition,- however, he
'could not support, and therefore
.was, under the
-necessity • of onosing ft.—ln opposing a measure
'which contained something which a pet son approved,
and something to which •he dissented, there were
several courses to follow, either that, of moving
the Previous Question', or the Order of' the Day.—
There veere parts of the motion ofethe Noble. Lord
Which, if they stood. alone, for instance, that of a
new Writ in this case, he would ha;ve been pre_;
pared to meet with a, direEt negative ; but that
- mode of meeting the ;proposition would be liable to
misrepresentation, because voting against *prove.
sition, although he approved of part ofit, wouldlook
like disapprobation of it altogether : therefore to pre.
elude the possibility of any doubt upon that subjeEt,
ated to put the House in The way of getting at the
ulterior' objea, and as he conceived the general,
Wish-Of the House, he now moved that the Order of
the Dayebe-now read. .
Mr. 7. HORNE MOKE said, he had never
.. hatiTut two personal struggles in the course of his
life. He hoped he should not be told on the present
occasion that he was out of order in detailing the
circumstances of theme The first was, when zit the
Uniyersityhe applied for the Degree of Master of
Arts, 'n• thing which was never- refused. or even
elieputed in any case except his own ; indeed he was
convieced that either of the Universities would
confer it on a . great dog, could he only speck two
wards of L. His claim was' disputed by a
friend of the Noble Lord, the la teLord MaNTrOtte..
He did not -nunerrieon to make any observations or
give his opinion of rite chaeaElee of that Noblemen.
He is 'dead, and de morMis nil, he was -sorry he
could 'not in this case, however, apply the latter
part of the adage- else should. speak no evil, and he
bad no good to say.: The-seem-al petsonal struggle
which* had Egli; was respeEting being called to the
Bar. By the' advice. of a ,Noblemane- One of the
greatest and most ,venerable- charatlers known to
the country, the late Lord.Aslii3 URNHAM, he deter-
' mined to turn his-nteeneiona to the profession of the
Law.. In ITO, he entered into the Inner Temple,
to which-he yet lielongt. I-le kept .his Commons
tegelarly : .but ...Alen he expected to be called along
*rich others he was passed- over.'
Mr; ,s,o'lEON•rose'ro speeke tie Order. A lotid
can immetliav=4' l-oceeded from the Opposition
lienChto- hear Mr.. 'I" OOKE. The Sitextx Mei-
.el '
said that the observations which the
fired, -an e•
lease. Geettemarf was :making:did not seem to him...
at all
applicable to. the question, but lie. had not
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interrupted him, because he had at the firstlentiet
.thrown hineself.ppian the House, to he heard without
• • iiiterruption- 011. the two points.. on which he bad
been speaking. • • _ ,
• . me:SIMEON said •heaenly. spoke to Order; be
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- cause:the Hon.- Gentleman seemed to birn to be
froceediog- to throw relie4tionseoo-#.large and re.
'apeaable.elass. of men. . .
Mr. TO ICE- resumed.--When the Benchers of
the inner Temple refesed to call him to the Bar, he
- :Was not' toll thee, the Law was, against hint. He
'was not told • that Precediots were• against him. \o
such thing. Their plea was, indeed, that be had
been in Holy Orders 1 hut they 'did not peetend that
their7decislen was sandioned either by Litw or Pre-
cedent. ille:was the only individual who was ever
rejeeled on this ground. The Benchers of the Inner
Teinple, at flier time applied fur the opinion of the
oilier lons of Cotite, whether they would' call to
the Bar a liceson Who had been in Holy Orders. This
application, he would' contend, was the Clearest decie
'elm which they tdulteve; that no -objeClion really
•eeisted to
_his beingeealled to the Bar. The late
-co Alec e e.t. OICof • the EXCHEQUER,- at one • time,
stated it as his decided opinion, that it was an irre.
fragable 'and incontestible.evidence --of the truth of
the inference which he had just- drawn freatt•it. l-ie
mentioned these thing; merely to shew in -.what
owner 'lie- bed Berri treated in former instaocee.
- His t rcattrient.' in the present case, he would con-
tend to 'be stiliotiore •iejurions. -Ile had been treat-
,' '-ed by the' Noble • Lord, - this evening, ets.;ifi ,he bad
Li 'been standing ,his • trial for -a felony. • On . a formet
aright, he hail been•ealled open to stand up and show -
k himself. He did not know, if the lion. Gentleman,
whb veecauedeopo alieu, ew as. now_ .ite the House; _at
any rate, he, fremthe7weakness.of his eyes; :could
not see his countenance. ' ' But, he believed, that
there could be nothing so terrible in his looks,. as
:to make him -afraid 'of. chewing hithseli tolihn. He
had been guilty of nothing which could make him fear,
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at any part of his
life;. to shew -himself to that Hon.
Gentleman, or' to the world. The nexe',part.of his
treatmenthad been a Metion.by the Noble Lord,
that he should' be' ordcrth to attend this day in his
place: Why- was this Motion 1 . What was the
crime which ' he was called to answer 1---Hati_ he
oiretided against the,; ules and'Qrders of the House?
No-such -tba rge •was adduced.- For; his-own-put,
be perfetily agreed that the,Place of a Member of
etheibuse, is a burthen;,.atterided wi,thi-and prb-
, dative ofareat trouble and expence; He war not
anxious to retain it. .He: Wanted it not to 'screen
him from debts. He owed none, nor would he ever
owe any.. He was too independent in his mitv.l and
, in his principles, ever to subjeit,hirnsclf to the hu-
miliations -arising from such .a state. It had beers
very fairly and very truly ttated by the Right Hon.
Gentleman who spoke last, that allowing the Clergy
to sit in this House would tend to increase the- in-
fluence of the Crown. But will denying them this
right,. screen the' House from the iufluence appre-
hended 1 Is not the case of Sit' RICHAR-D WIWI'.
TESLi'Y 'fresh in the recolleCtion of every Gentle.
man, and is it not knotvne that who he Was a
Member of the House, he adually held Livings of