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creased. But,he 'would ask, whether he had ever
said any thing implying that the pressure of the
present circumstances arising from die failure of
the Crops, and the high price of provisions, was
riot severely felt in many parts of the Kingdom ?
He would farther ask, whether he had ever: been
found backward in taking an interest in relieving
.those'parts of the Country where the pressure was
Mostly experienced ?- But he would ask also,
whether men who were, Woking to their. own in-
.terest„ and the welfare. both of the Riclvanit the
Poor, could for a moment suffer the general poll'.
cy, and welfare of their Country to be affeeted by
the incidental increase of the Poor Rates during
the last year ? All, doubtless, would join in en-.
deavouring to administer relief suited to the exi-
. gency of The moment. But this aflbrded
no fair reason to any Man for endeavouring to
depress the spirit of the Country, and to deprive
it of those,qualities by which alone the Country
'could expea to encounter and to overcome those
difficulties which it might have to encounter. But
the Hon. Gentleman had more thaninsinuated that
there was no remedy for these evils but Peace. 'Peace
was the most anxious wish of his heart ; such
a Peace as was consistent with the honour and'
the security of the Country. At the same timv,.
he wa's not one who thought that ibis Measure
could be promoted by Jetting our adversarieS
derstand; that the mere defiCiency of seasons
was -a circumstance why this Country should be
induced to enter into any terms Of pacifieation,
nor could, he, think that such condua would
eventually be
,useful to the COuntre. Without
doubt,
,great, and. populous, and Manufaauring
Distrits, were the parts of the Country which felt
most sensibly the effeCts of :the visitation Of Pro-
vidence respeCting the seasons ; and,
,he would
attd, these were the places where Gentlemen; who
had influence, were' called -upon to exercise .the
greatest prudence; 'and wisdom, 'and moderation,'
with a view of calming the Minds, and allaying
the passions which such visitations might occasion
in such populous Manufaauring Distrias. There
were also unavoiably, particular parts of the
Country which might be, more tin others, af-'.
felled by the War; at the Same time, he wished
it might be fully understood, that during this'
War. ( which some Gentlemen were so fond of
calling by the epithets unfortunate and calamitous);
the 11/hind:it-lures of this Country have been
increasing to an unexampled, degree. He would
put ir, 'then, to Gentlemen, whether- they were
doing. fairly toWardi their Country in represent-
ing partial evils as growing 'out of the War ?--
There.were persons Who had stated at the outset
of the War, that it would ruin at. Manufadures ;
and he had heard the very same persons contra_
dicing this 'very statement, Whilst they argued
that the increase of, the ManufaCtures occasioned
by 'the War would endanger the. Conntry, when
this artificial. prosperity would cease with' the
Peace. Gentletnen 1:ould not, stirely, think that
they' were right When, in the. first instance, they'
prophesied the ruin of. our ManufadureS by
.the
'1 ,Tar,- and now— 'hen they acknowledged their,
artificial increase' by the War, saying, that the
only way to cure the incidental distress which.
the Country experienced, was by the return of
Peace. With respeit to the increase of the dis-
tress of the Manufaaurer arising troll) the in-
crease of hostilities with other Nations, this was
a distind consideration, which ought tint to
be blended with the question, whether the French
War had increased or decreased our Mantilla...

tures ? In answer to this last question he would
dislindly state, that they -had increased.—
With respett to the new War with the Northern
Powers, supposing it to take place, he would re-
mark that some of the Gentlemen on the other side
of the louse, had acknowledged the necessity of
this Country's vindicating its Rights. How then
could it be consistent with this sentiment, to
raise exaggerated alarms in the minds of the Ma.
nufatturers, as to the probability of a new War ?
But others of these Gentlemen had expressed-
themselves very hesitatingly as to our Rights as
a Maritime Nation ;--Rights, which he must ob-
serve, were intimstely conneded with our Mari-
time Power, our 'lndependence and our Honour.— •
As he had touched' upon this stibje4, he would,
with the leave of die House, suggest a few con-
siderations, as an antidote against these despond-.
ing suggestions, Which some were disposed to
indulge-. 'He would observe, then, that shoaldi
hostilities take the most extensive turn that ima-4
ginatiots could form, there 'were -two or three
considerations, whkh Gentlemen should not ne.
kled. 'First, -he would remind' them, that sup-
posing.the Northern Continent proves hostile to
us, the Commerce of this Country was as indis--
pensably rieeessary to their supply, as their Corn.
inerce could be to us ; idly, that their hostility
would not prevent all articles of Commerce being
eh rried on by Neutral• Nations, and that there is one
Nation in particular, which from its distance, is
not likely to. be involved in this dispute, which
might -carry on this Trade to mutual, advantage.,,
In the next plate, • it ought not to be overlooked,
of what comparatively small importance the Com,:.v
merce, likely to be affe&ed by this dispute, bore
tti the general.Comm!iree of the Country, and
particularly to that Commerce which •lias ;ttually
been extended during the present War. Upon
the whole, he deprecated Gentlemen's exT„gerat.
ing out-temporary difficulties and distresses, pet-
stualed as he Was, that nothing was• so well cal-
culated to bring us out of them as courage,' per-
severance, firmness, and making considerations
of general welfare outweigh those of partial, or
totnporary difficulties.
Sir' 5. rARNELL explained.—He saidhe did
not mean'to impute error ,to the statement of the
Right Hon. Gentleman respeOing Ireland, 'at the
saint-time that he-was not sensible that he wa
in error himself. What he wished 'particularly
to-impress on the, House was, that whatever part
of the Irish Expenditure for the year would ex-

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teed OW:seventeenths of the, general charge,
must, .amoriling to' the,statement of the Right
flow.Crentletnan, he borne by 'England.
Mr; M. A.,TAvI.OR also-explained.

LatiCiISTL'ERKAGYI sai& that with re_.
sped. to. th -financial statement of the+Rt. Ilan.
Gentleman (Mr. Pmr), all the great branches

of Irish Expenditure had been consolidated with
the general expellees of this. Country. The other
separate head of Expences was included und-,0-that
that of MiScellaneous charges of -Ireland. 'Fits
Lordship then explained to the House, titat the
manner of voting 'their Estimates was scan--:-
what different in the Parliament of Ireland ,from
What it was in this Country. With- respect -to
-the general statement of-the -Hon. -Baronet, -he
was correct, that the Vote of Supply of the Irish
Parliament the last year:, was above Six Millions,
exclusive of the Vote of Interest for the Loan.
Therefore the separate charges for whiddreland
would have to provide, would exceed the sum of
Two millions three hundred thousand Pounds.
Comparing the sum of a.,34,0001. as the propor-
tion 'of Ireland to the general charge, with the
whole expences of Ireland toted last year, exceed-
ing Six Millions, the question was, whether the
difference between these two sums was not an att.
ditional charge upon this'Country ? Jut had Ire-
land continued a separate Country, the charge
would not have been so high by-several items.
The separate charge of Ireland, as applicable to
this Country, would amount to aliciut4,ooo,oool..
hilt by. adually uniting her interests with this
Country, the aaual charge she would incur wOuld
be only 4,32+,0001. • - By comparing these two
sums, the Hon. Baronet would find the degree of
saving which Ireland had obtained from the
Union, and would be satisfied of the benefit which
she had thereb . obtained in point of, Finance.
Sir J. PARNALL 'explained, and said, he
should have an opportunity, upon some other oc-
casion, of contraverting some of the' Statements
whiCh he had heard. in the course of the evening.
Mr. 110BHOUSE said, that the only topic
(1 need at .by the Noble Loyd respelling the
i System, to which he should advert, was that
he item of Compensation made on account of
the Disfranchised Boroughs of Ireland. This
was a system which he was bound to reprobate,
and which, he was afraid, had introduced too
much of that influence, which had served to
bring about the. Union- With respect to the
statement given by _his Hon. Friend (Mr. TAY.:
Lox), it was, that the Poor Rates had increased
progresitely according to.the pressure occasion-
ed by the War : and it was well known that
from every ,part-of the North of England the
Manufadurets were under the. necessity of sup_
porting their people, to the great loss of them-
selves. He agreed with the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman, that neither in ,that, nor in any other
place, ought any spirit of undue despondency' to
be excited ;,. at the same time, it was right that
the People should know their real 'situation ; but
if the Right Hon. Gentleman's -argument were
carried to its full extent, they might as well -
close the door, of. that House.; because, in his
opinion, it was impossible to touch upon, a
variety of public topics without some digree
of -despondent*. He. observed that at one time,
When the Funds wereextremely los?, 'the Right
Hon. Gentleman had found it necesary to raise
part of the .Supply within the year, is a means of
raising -the Funds ;abut now, when he found
himself obliged to,reeert to his former system,
would, not the effed be again to- depress. the
Funds ? With respea to ,out Exports, many Ar_
tides being charged ad 'valorem, according to .the
increased price, this might serve to increase, the
statement of their value. As to our Trade with
Russia, that; consisted.of such things as were de:
cessary for the., purposes of, protection; the arti„.
de of .Bemp, in particular, . was principally'de.
rived from Russia. It might tie said, that this
Article might be had frotn,America; but it was
to be considered, that America was much more
inclined to maintain, the:Maritime System of opr,
Enemies, and therefore, we could depend 'nit
little, upon her frieodship- or assistance. With
rived, to ,the new proposed Taxes, could they, be
Made productive, they would, in his view, be
less obtedionable. But with resped: to, the ad.
ditiOnal Tax proposed on Tea, he apprehend-
ed, it would revive' the pradice of Smuggling,
and that:the capitals would then revert into that
channel. Within the last two years increased
Taxes had been raised in the article or Tea_to,
the amount of 151. per cent. ; and ;as the. con-
sequence or the revival of'smuggling; the sales
of Tia at, the East India-,House would diminish,,
and the Revenue would . proportionally: suffer,
iiu„,nd hence 'this Tax „would not be found so pro-
' ' dive as was supposed, . As- . to, the ,Tax upon
tioted cottons, they were worn:l4o9st of the
lower classes .of females, and as such;might be
Said to- :itc' the poorer orders. With tesped to
Timber, which we . must- derive 'from abroad, he
objeaed to any nesirTax upon.that commodity,
.
for -Which we- had- -so much occasion and need:—
He would also Observe, that the Right lion.
Gentleinan',i "calculations were 'deriVed from' a
variety of papers, which had only last evening
been laidaipon the. Table, whereas they ought to
haste .been: presented auleast a week before, 'Other-
. wise how could 'Members he capable 'of judging
g-4, ett theni .witbtany degree-of-accuracy ?
ikeL LlPPE.observeil; that from the Ac..
4t4ti‘ inula egi, of Taxes, the utmost economy be_
!came
,riec4Ssary. ' But he holied a new Atimini_
stratioo 'would study' to `lar less upon the Public
than was done by the prcF-ent Taxes, It w,:',
this'firm opirrion, that the Counti-y must in time
sink under the pressure of the Taxes, if tie's
were Continued as they had bun under the Ad _
ministration of the Right Hon. Gentleman, He
'acknowledged, that in the Bargain made with the
Monied Men, there appeared. riddling like a job,
and-that the; Right Hon. Gentleman appemNl to
ha've studied the. Public Good. With regard to the
Ways and Means-, he had to objed :to the Fist
Article of Tea.' ' When the Comtnievi,m Tax
was latd on, he understood 'the Right 116n1,,11,;)1,'
Gentleman had pledge' hithself-that 'no future
increase or this article of taxation 'shonld be „Yar-
ded' to any considerable extent:: He ob' t,'l
also. to the proposed' i)uty upon' Agri,:i4itnal
Horses. The present Duty :upon IjOi'Scs Was
very considerable, and this' branch of 1;, 114 w;k
afraid, ' would, .injure the Agriculttite. -i4( J, the
Conntry.-7-With resped to 'the, other,. p+ )I
Taxns, his ppinion was, Chat `th'er uoiaitill'-ui
be produdive.

..The Question was then pnt, and 'carried, that
the 'Resolutions be read a second time.
- Mr.- #/TT recharked, that.the terms on which:
he had 'Made the Loan 2a. three per Cent..
Consols-; and sol. igs. three pet Cent. redueedi
'but 'in the -Resolution of theCornmittee he per-
Ceived a mistake, as, instead of sol. i Ss. it was
mentioned.sol. los.. To prevent a loss to (he
Subscribers .by. _this .accidental .mistake, -he. 411 g-
- that the best way would be, for. the Con::
mittee, non Monday, to bring in a Bill to vote
the additional 'p.
Mr. M. A.-TAYLOR insisted that Memberi .
should be at liberty to state :he distresses of the •
Country whet new Taxes were about to he im_
posed, and that_ it was absurd to hold oat the
prosperous state of the Country at Such .a time.
If any Gentleman, indeed, got up merely
with a view. to inflame the minds of the Coun-
try against the existing Government, he would
be highly reprehensible ;..but when could there
be a more'. proper time for starting the Na-
tional Distresses, , than when nearly 3o
__Millions
were going to be added to the, National
.Debt ?
He assured the
_House that t.he.stateroent' he •had
broUght forward that evening respeding the
,pro_
„gressive increase_of the-Poor. rates, was not from
any view of inflaming the minds of the Country.
The Resolutions were then read‘ and agreed
to. . Bills were ordered to be brought in, pur-
' suant to them, and Mr.: ROSE 'and Mr. LUNG
directed to prepare and bring them in.
A new Writ was ordered, for the_ County of
Oxford for ah Eledion of a Mernterlin the room
of Lord CHARLES SP ENC ERi, who has accepted •
of the office of joint Postmaster. •.
Mr. Pin.' took notice, that'a Motion on the
State of the Nation stood for. to.:riforrow, and
another from another Hon. Member on the same
subjed. for another day. He therefore suggested
the propriety of making some fresh arrangements
of the business on this subject.

Mr. NICHOLLS observed, that notice of one
•of the Motions had been given by him, but .he
was desirous to be understood as having every
disposition to accommodate :he personal conve-
nience of the Right Hon. Gentleman who had
just taken notice of the matter.
Here the business ended, or at least we could
hear no more of it.