The Sun.
London, England, 1865-05-30 00:00:00

TIE RED RIVER SETTtEMEiTs.

•
Sir E. GROGAN asked the Secretary of State for the.
Colonies if any and what, steps had been taken by the
,
Government, since the report of the select committee was
presented to that house, for opening up the Red River dis-
tricts and the valley of the Saskatchevan, to settlement
under the Crown, and putting an end to
the exclusive privileges heretofore claimed by the
Hudson's Bay Company in these districts; and if
the claim of ownership, put forward by the Hudson's
Bay Company in the territory lying between Canada and'
British America, being alcout two-thirds of our possessions
on
that continent, was admitted by the Government as well
founded?

Mr. CARDWELL said it had been the desire of tho

Secretary for the Colonies for years past to obtain the
settlement of the question, and various proposals had been
made to Canada. It was to be hoped that Canada might
be induced to undertake the settlement of the colony,
especially as the law officers of the Crown hid given it as
their opinion that the rights of the Hudson's Bay Com-
pany were such as could not be resisted.
CONSTABULARY FORCE (IRELAND) AMEND-
MENT ACT BILL.
On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Mr. 0. GORE moved that the measure be referred to a
select committee.
Mr. BRADY seconded the proposition.
Lord J. BROWN did not think a select committee of the
house a good tribunal to inquire into this measure. He
thought the executive Government was best fitted to deter-
mine the exact number of constables to be appointed to
each county.
Sir R. PEEL hoped the house would allow him to pro-
ceed with the bill, because no practical good could result

from sending the bill to a select committee. He had made

an alteration in the measure which would enable the Lord-
Lieutenant to increase the parliamentaryquota of constables
in any county that he might think necessary. He had been
asked what the object of the bill was. The object of the
measure was to prevent a repetition of certain proceed-
ings which took place in Belfast last year, which were
a disgrace to the whole country. (Hear, hear.) It was
of the utmost importance that the bill should pass.
(Hear, hear.) If July should come upon them without this
measure being the law of the land, the 165 policemen
would be found quite incompetent to preserve the peace,
and there would be a repetition of those scandalous and
disgraceful orgies that produced such lamentable results last;
year.

- Sir H. CAIRNS thought it highly injudicious on the
part of the right hon. baronet to open up a debateable
subject, and he hoped no person would express his opinion.
He denied that the persons who waited on the Government
last year from Belfast with the intention of getting the
police superseded and martial law proclaimed were the
" authorities " of the town.. He had no desire to impede
the measure ; on the contrary, if certain amendments,
which he thought the bill required, were agreed to, he
should give the right hon. baronet his cordial support in
passing it through the house.
Mr. 0. GORE said as it seemed to bo the desire of the
house to proceed with the consideration of the bill, he
would withdraw his motion for referring the bill to a
select committee.
The motion was then, by leave, withdrawn, and the
house went into committee on the bill.
GREENWICH HOSPITAL BILL.

Lord C. PAGET moved that the Greenwich Hospital
Bill be read a second time pro forma, in order to introduce
certain amendments, discussion to be taken on tho motion
for going into committee on the bill.
Sir J. PAKINGTON admitted that there were defects in

the management of the hospital which called for reform.

For example, the system of double government was very
objectionable; but the existence of such defects was no
reason why changes should be introduced that would so
materially alter the original foundation that it could no
longer be regarded as an object of national pride and ad-
miration. The right hon. baronet criticised at somelength
the provisions of the bill, and suggested various improve-
ments with a view to rendering the hospital more generally
useful and popular, and its administration more efficient
and satisfactory.
Mr. AYRTON regarded the measure as a comprehen-
sive one that struck at the root of an evil, but he com-
plained that it did not do justice to the seamen of the
merchant service, who, he contended, were expressly in-
cluded as objects of the charity by the original charter,
and by every act of Parliament that had subsequently
passed relating to Greenwich Hospital. He hoped, when
the bill went into committee, the Government would give

the house an assurance that the unoccupied part of the
hospital should be appropriated to the use of distressed
seamen of the mercantile marine.

Mr. LIDDELL, after discussing the details of the mea-
sure, observed that if ever a sweeping reform was required
it was in the case of the administration of this hospital.
Although he might agree to the conversion of the institu-
tion into a mere infirmary with some remorse, yet he

thought that a liberal scale of out-pensions for deserving
seamen, as proposed by the bill would be regarded as a boon
that was preferable to the monotony of living in the hos-
pital.

Mr. J. J. POWELL apprehended that the meeting of
the terms of the charter was that any seaman, whether
officer or man, who was incapable of further service at sea,
was entitled to the benefit of the charity. But if it were
contemplated by the bill that pensions should be granted
out of funds originally intended for this purpose not only to
common sailors but to officers generally, he feared it would
turn out that Greenwich Hospital would share the fate of
those educational institutions which, being founded for the
sons of poor men, had in process of time been diverted from
their original objects and their benefits conferred exclu-
sively upon those for whom they were never designed.

Admiral WALCOTT advocated the claims of officers to
participate in the advantages of the institution, and strongly
objected to turning a magnificent asylum into a mere in-
firmary.
The discussion was continued by Mr. C. W. Howard,
Mr. Ingham, Mr. Childers, and Sir J. Elphinstone ; and
the bill having been read a second time was committedpro
forma and ordered to be reprinted with amendments.
On the order for the second reading of the Colonial Go-
vernors' Retiring Pension Bill,
Mr. B. COCHRANE complained of the illiberal charac-
ter of the measure, inasmuch as no pension was to be
allowed to a colonial governor until he had served 18
years, and not even then if he had not attained the age of
60. He suggested that a service of 12 years should be
sufficient.

Sir W. JOLLIFFE thought that gentlemen who had
passed their lives in filling these offices were entitled to be
rewarded ; but the bill was so exclusive in its nature that
Sir Francis Head, who had so eminently distinguished him-
self in Canada, would receive no advantage whatever under
its provisions.

Mr. MOOR also mentioned as one of hardship the caso
of Mr. Latrobe, who, after faithfully serving the Crown as
the superintendent of a colony for a long series of years,
had been informed by the Under Secretary for the Colo-
nies, in a cold-blooded dispatch, that, not having been a
"lieutenant governor," he would not be entitled to a pen-
sion under the bill.

Mr. ADDERLEY made a vigorous attack on the bill,
some of the provisions of which he described as wholly
indefensible. Amongst other things it would confer a pen-
sion upon the governor of the new British America Colo-
nial Confederacy, provided they retained him for 18 years,
or until he was GO years of age. The pension, too,
was shabby in amount, and useful and distinguished
services were unrecognised, whilst a man who had misgo-
verned a colony for the stipulated period would come within
the terms of the bill.

Sir J. PAKINGTON approved of the principle of the
measure, but suggested that distinguished as well as
lengthened services ought to be rewarded, and that such
cases as that of Sir Francis Head should be treated in a
generous and liberal spirit.
Mr. CAVE approved of the bill as tending to make the
service popular, but recommended that its scope should be
enlarged.

Mr. A. MILLS supported the bill on the same ground,
and because it would make the colonial governors inde-
pendent as representatives of the mother country. A clause,
however, ought to be introduced to meet such cases as
those of Sir F. Head and Mr. Latrobe.

Mr. CARDWELL justified the proposal to reward for
long rather than distinguished services by reference to the
practice followed under the Superannuation Act. As to the
case of the British North American Confederacy, it was
impossible that one person could remain in the office of
governor for 18 years, the rule being to serve for six years
only in each Government. The duty of conferring a pen-
sion for distinguished services was a function that belonged
exclusively to Parliament, and ought not to be intrusted to
any individual Minister. The preparation of a clause ap-
plicable to the case of Sir F. Head or Mr. Latrobe would be
attended with this difficulty, that they might not be able to
provide sufficient guards.
The bill was then read a second time.
_ _

Sir J. PAKINGTON stated that, owing to an attack of
illness, Mr. Disraeli would be unable to attend and take
part in the debate on the Roman Catholic Oaths Bill this
day. He appealed to Mr. Monsell, therefore, to postpone
the order for a future day.

Mr. MONSELL replied that he had been in communi-
cation with Mr. Disraeli on tho subject, and that as the
right hon. gentleman had not given him an assurance that
he would be prepared to propose in committee a common
form of oath to be taken by all the members of the house,
and which should contain none of the phrases that the bill
proposed to omit, he must decline compliance with his re-
quest, and proceed with the measure according to arrange-
ment.

The remaining orders having been disposed of,
The house adjourned at twenty-five minutes to two
o'clock until noon this day.

WEIGHING THE WEIGHTS.—A South African
paper, Grciaff-Reinet Herald, states that a wool
farmer who came into town lately to sell his wool, having
heard that there had been no assizing of weights for four
years, went into a store and brought up the subject of
weighing people. Stepping on the platform scale he said,
" I wonder what I weigh now ?" Ills weight was quickly
read off ; a few siniilar trials were nutdo, and away ho went
to the next store, and Scion to others. When he carne hack
he knew \rho hail the iightest Weights, and there ha went
with his wool. • * - • •

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